The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experienced #1499 - Aron Snyder

00:00:00.000 What's up, brother?

00:00:01.000 Good to see you, man.

00:00:02.000 We finally did this.

00:00:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:03.000 Good to see you.

00:00:04.000 I had been pestered about four million times when you're getting on Rogan's podcast.

00:00:08.000 I'm like, why don't you ask Rogan?

00:00:10.000 I don't know.

00:00:10.000 So when you finally asked, I'm like, woohoo!

00:00:12.000 I was excited.

00:00:13.000 I feel like I've made it.

00:00:15.000 Well, so many people have asked me when I've worn your shirt.

00:00:18.000 People are like, what is this shirt?

00:00:19.000 This rhino shirt.

00:00:20.000 What is that?

00:00:21.000 That's Cafaro.

00:00:22.000 That's your backpack company.

00:00:23.000 And because I've worn this on the podcast, people are like, well, when are you going to get Snyder on?

00:00:28.000 When are you going to get Snyder on?

00:00:30.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:31.000 Yeah, I'm sure that probably gets old.

00:00:32.000 I have to respect the amount of people that...

00:00:35.000 How many times have you changed your phone number in the last 10 years?

00:00:37.000 Multiple.

00:00:38.000 Yeah, I bet.

00:00:39.000 Keep it moving.

00:00:39.000 Yeah.

00:00:40.000 Gotta keep it moving.

00:00:41.000 I might have to copy you, and I've got one tenth of the following you do.

00:00:44.000 I just...

00:00:45.000 It's hard to keep up, and people...

00:00:48.000 I'm surprised how sensitive they get when you don't respond to them, and it's like...

00:00:51.000 They get angry.

00:00:52.000 Yeah, and I'm like, man, I've had guys like, I know you're not that busy.

00:00:55.000 I'm like, really?

00:00:56.000 You don't really know?

00:00:58.000 People get real weird with that kind of stuff when they want something.

00:01:01.000 You know, it's like, there's some people that'll text you, and then if you don't text them right back, they'll send you question marks, like, question, question.

00:01:07.000 Yeah.

00:01:07.000 Come on, man.

00:01:08.000 Yeah, it gets, it's weird trying to, little did I know where I would end up in life compared, you know, kind of where I started from.

00:01:15.000 And then now, well, it's funny, my wife, she knew me and we met in 07. Didn't have a phone, no computer, lived in the woods, slept on a Therm-a-Rest air mattress.

00:01:26.000 You didn't have a phone or a computer in 07?

00:01:29.000 It was bad.

00:01:30.000 You know what, I think I might have got a flip phone right around that time frame. 0.83

00:01:34.000 And I was sleeping on a, and this is a no bullshit story, she'll tell you.

00:01:38.000 I had gotten divorced and I kind of made this, you know, do whatever.

00:01:42.000 I wanted to hunt a lot, get out in the woods a lot. 0.99

00:01:44.000 So I slept on a Thermarest air mattress in my, you know, you bring chicks over, they're like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

00:01:50.000 I just had this, you know, 24-inch wide backpacking air mattress. 0.93

00:01:53.000 I slept on that and just saved, you know, money for whatever, hunting, getting it outdoors. 1.00

00:01:57.000 And then she and I, you know, screwed around, dated for a while and we were apart for several years and we got back together and She's like, who the fuck are you? 0.99

00:02:06.000 Like, we're in Walmart. 0.99

00:02:07.000 They're like, Snyder!

00:02:08.000 And she's like, is that a friend of yours?

00:02:10.000 I'm like, I have no idea who that is.

00:02:12.000 Because she skipped all that time.

00:02:14.000 And then I'm marketing and I'm wired in all the time.

00:02:16.000 She's like, are you a different person in a different body?

00:02:20.000 Because I was not different acting.

00:02:22.000 She just, you know, she knew me as the low-tech dude that...

00:02:26.000 Just was anti, you know, anything technology.

00:02:28.000 So because of your podcast, like, and that's probably what, and then Gritty Bowman before that, right?

00:02:34.000 Yep, yep.

00:02:34.000 All of that stuff, forums and, you know, whatever, all that different stuff just got well known and then, yeah, went from there.

00:02:41.000 Well, that world, that world of outdoor enthusiasts and backpack hunters is such a rabid world.

00:02:49.000 The guys who are really into that, for people who don't understand, It's like if you combined ultra-marathon running, rucking, and hunting together, it's kind of all those things.

00:03:02.000 We've talked about it on the podcast before, and I know I've brought you up before, but that world is the combination of athletes.

00:03:11.000 I don't like when people call bowhunting a sport.

00:03:14.000 Because I think it's more of a discipline.

00:03:15.000 It's a weird thing to call it a sport because it's not like there's a game going on.

00:03:19.000 You're hunting an animal.

00:03:21.000 But it's a discipline.

00:03:22.000 But it also requires athleticism.

00:03:25.000 It requires the kind of workout that...

00:03:28.000 I mean, if you're going to be able to make it 15 miles into the backcountry with a 40-pound pack on...

00:03:35.000 You have to be in insane shape, and you've got to be able to get out with an animal on your back in multiple trips.

00:03:41.000 It could take you several days.

00:03:43.000 Just the taxing effect that it has on a human body. 1.00

00:03:47.000 So the guys that are into that shit, when they run into a guy like you that's legit, they get very rabid. 1.00

00:03:52.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:03:54.000 Well, I would say...

00:03:57.000 Cam kicked it off, right?

00:04:00.000 People get sensitive about that.

00:04:03.000 Cam was not the original, but Cam was the original that everybody knew.

00:04:06.000 And he made a book, too.

00:04:08.000 He's got a great book.

00:04:09.000 Well, and he was the guy that, you know, going back, he was the first one to promote backpack hunting with a platform.

00:04:17.000 Like, I'm not the first stick bow guy.

00:04:19.000 I'm just the first stick bow guy with a platform.

00:04:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:21.000 Like, I'm the first dude that shoots a recurve that, you know, is somewhat known.

00:04:25.000 For people that don't follow hunting, let me explain to you. 0.98

00:04:27.000 Aaron got too good at shooting with a compound bow, which is probably one of the hardest ways to hunt, so he decided to shoot with a fucking, like, a medieval bow. 0.77

00:04:35.000 Let's talk about how that got started. 0.97

00:04:37.000 So, I was you in the fact...

00:04:41.000 I made fun of stick bow guys.

00:04:42.000 Like, I was bad.

00:04:44.000 Like, I was truly mean to them.

00:04:46.000 Like, somebody had come down...

00:04:48.000 You know, so for people to understand, when you go to an outdoor range, you've got one long line, and you've got targets on the far right, which is like the five-pound weights at the gym.

00:04:57.000 And on the far left, you've got the 200-pound dumbbells.

00:05:00.000 That's a 100-yard bail.

00:05:01.000 So I'm over at the 100-yard bail shooting a Reinhardt 18-1, 100, 120, and I would have stick bow guys come down to me and tell me I'm unethical for shooting that distance, and I would be like...

00:05:12.000 You can't hit the bail down there at 10 yards.

00:05:14.000 You're at the chump side. 1.00

00:05:16.000 What are you giving me shit for? 1.00

00:05:18.000 They would tell you you're unethical for shooting at a target? 1.00

00:05:21.000 Are you practicing at that range?

00:05:23.000 It was weird.

00:05:25.000 It was weird.

00:05:26.000 Why is that that people want to do that?

00:05:28.000 They want to tell you what you're doing is wrong.

00:05:31.000 I don't know.

00:05:31.000 Human nature, I guess.

00:05:33.000 I ended up doing a podcast, talked about God forbid you break down mathematically, right?

00:05:38.000 You can break down the speed of an arrow and the accuracy.

00:05:42.000 You take a guy shooting, whatever, 290 feet per second, how long does it take his arrow to get to 80 yards?

00:05:48.000 How long does it take an arrow to get from 170 feet per second to 35 yards?

00:05:53.000 So I kind of evened all that up and said, well, here's apples to apples, oranges to oranges, this is it. 0.99

00:05:59.000 Fuck, I got hate mail. 1.00

00:06:00.000 I mean, you're a horrible hunter. 1.00

00:06:03.000 You're using your ability instead of hunting skills, you know, to shoot. 1.00

00:06:07.000 So I was like, fuck it. 1.00

00:06:09.000 I sold everything I had, every compound, every sight, every arrow. 1.00

00:06:12.000 I didn't want that temptation. 0.95

00:06:13.000 And I'm like, I'm going to shoot it up. 0.89

00:06:15.000 We'll see, right? 0.84

00:06:16.000 We'll see how good I can get.

00:06:17.000 Because I never shot a stick bow.

00:06:18.000 So you, just because of people's reaction to you, you decided to go to a recurve bow?

00:06:23.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:06:24.000 Which is, for people who don't understand the difference...

00:06:27.000 So this can be absorbed by people who don't hunt.

00:06:30.000 The difference is when you have a compound bow, you have a sight on a compound bow that will allow you to scroll out.

00:06:37.000 You can roll out to like...

00:06:38.000 So my sight is set at 30 yards.

00:06:40.000 That's where it's normally set at.

00:06:41.000 But you can go all the way to 120 yards.

00:06:44.000 And what it does is it raises your pin.

00:06:46.000 So it changes where the pin goes up and down.

00:06:49.000 And the pin is how you aim.

00:06:51.000 So you can get really accurate.

00:06:53.000 See, if you're a guy like Cam Haynes...

00:06:55.000 I mean, he shoots at 100 yards all the time, and he can get into a small group at 100 yards.

00:07:03.000 John Dudley, the same thing.

00:07:04.000 It's very accurate, whereas with a recurve bow, there's no sight.

00:07:09.000 You're doing it with the point of your arrow, and you have to practice much more, and it's like throwing a rock.

00:07:16.000 If you throw rocks all the time, you kind of get a feel of where you can throw that rock.

00:07:21.000 Yeah, throwing that rock was a lot harder than I thought it was going to be, let me tell you.

00:07:26.000 So, I'm very goal-oriented at a problem, which is much...

00:07:32.000 I'm not very good at losing.

00:07:33.000 And I'm not saying I'm a spoiled loser.

00:07:35.000 I'm psychotic when I lose at something.

00:07:37.000 Like, my wife will tell you, I'll go to a tournament the first thing I do when I get home.

00:07:40.000 I'm having her film me breaking down things.

00:07:42.000 So, I thought, well, we're going to see if these people are right.

00:07:45.000 I'm going to find out.

00:07:47.000 I'm going to do nothing but trad.

00:07:48.000 And so...

00:07:49.000 Trad meaning traditional bow.

00:07:51.000 Traditional archery, yep.

00:07:52.000 And so I'm lucky enough, Tom Clum, right?

00:07:56.000 He's like the Yoda of traditional archery.

00:07:59.000 So I go down there with a wad of cash, and they've got several hundred recurves.

00:08:05.000 I'm like, hey, I'm going to shoot a stick bow, guys.

00:08:07.000 And they've seen me shoot a comp, and they're like...

00:08:11.000 Cool.

00:08:11.000 Let's get you set up.

00:08:13.000 And I'm thinking, I've got to get hand-eye coordination.

00:08:15.000 This shouldn't be a problem. 1.00

00:08:16.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:08:17.000 I'm like, I went from shooting 58 Xs on a five spot on average to I can't hit the target at 20 yards. 1.00

00:08:25.000 And I'm like, oh, this fucking was way. 0.75

00:08:27.000 I've only shot a recurve bow a couple times, but I did it recently in Hawaii, like, last summer. 0.99

00:08:33.000 And they had, like, some range out there, and they had recurve bows that you could shoot.

00:08:37.000 It's amazing how difficult it is to hit something if you don't have any experience doing it.

00:08:42.000 Yeah, well, and I was lucky because I had that whole family there to help me, right?

00:08:45.000 So they're, you know, it's like you have in Dudley.

00:08:48.000 You know, they took me under their wing, and they're explaining this.

00:08:51.000 And so I got what I thought was good pretty fast, which 40 yards with a stick bow is far.

00:08:58.000 But I hadn't hunted yet, you know, and so then I go out, and I don't know if you remember, I shot that black bear.

00:09:04.000 And, you know, I'm within 40 yards of it for 20 minutes, and in my mind, you would be so dead if I had my compound.

00:09:11.000 I just couldn't get a shot. 0.96

00:09:13.000 And I finally squeaked it in, missed it at like 18 yards, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, Snyder would suck. 0.74

00:09:19.000 So luckily, and Tom had told me this, he said, you're going to get two or three shots of an animal.

00:09:24.000 They don't hear the bow.

00:09:26.000 And they don't.

00:09:27.000 Landed by its feet.

00:09:28.000 It kind of looked around, and I'm like, oh, I'm not going to miss you again.

00:09:31.000 She got it on the second shot. 0.57

00:09:32.000 And I'm like, ah, this isn't...

00:09:34.000 I can get this figured out.

00:09:37.000 Did you have any qualms about hunting with it?

00:09:39.000 Like, how long did it take before you felt ethical enough to hunt with it?

00:09:43.000 Well, I hunted with it in three months.

00:09:44.000 Did you feel like that was a smart move, or do you feel like you rushed it?

00:09:51.000 Well, let me...

00:09:53.000 I was psychotic shooting 10 hours a day.

00:09:56.000 I was shooting constantly.

00:09:59.000 I think I was fine because I had the coaching, I had the help, and I had the accuracy.

00:10:03.000 I could hit.

00:10:05.000 Doing well.

00:10:07.000 To what I had to compare to around me, I was like, okay, this is good.

00:10:11.000 So I didn't feel like I went into it unethical, like I couldn't hit what I was aiming at, but I didn't have experience.

00:10:16.000 And I mean, you look at knowledge and wisdom, right?

00:10:18.000 Knowledge, you're reading about it.

00:10:20.000 Wisdom, you're experiencing it.

00:10:21.000 Well, I thought what I knew from shooting a compound, my hunting skills would be enough.

00:10:26.000 And they were.

00:10:27.000 I ended up shooting, I don't know, 11, 12 animals that year. 0.99

00:10:30.000 But fuck man, it was like every time I went out I was learning something new and I had to totally change my hunting style. 0.99

00:10:37.000 When you think about it from a perspective of someone who's a non-hunter, they question why you would want to shoot a bow and arrow in the first place. 0.99

00:10:43.000 Because they think that that would be less ethical than using a rifle.

00:10:47.000 Like if you wanted to shoot something you should use a rifle, you could kill it quicker, it's better.

00:10:51.000 To go from that to a compound bow, it's like, why are you doing that?

00:10:56.000 And then they realize, oh, you can actually be very accurate with a compound bow if you have practice and if you learn how to do it correctly and you're disciplined.

00:11:04.000 But to take it another level and to go to a recurve, that's where it gets to, in some people's minds, are you hunting for food?

00:11:12.000 Are you hunting for your ego?

00:11:15.000 What are you doing?

00:11:15.000 Why are you doing it with a recurve bow?

00:11:18.000 And I think one of the best answers that I've ever heard from anybody is that they said it is much more difficult but also much more rewarding.

00:11:27.000 And when you're eating that animal, you have this insane sense of accomplishment that's actually another level passed even with a compound boat.

00:11:34.000 Does that make sense?

00:11:35.000 Yeah, and you've explained it better there than I could.

00:11:37.000 And I'm going to give it a whirl.

00:11:38.000 So I went from your side of things, making fun of everyone, to being addicted to getting close.

00:11:43.000 So now my—the first year I shot a mule deer at four feet in the cliffs when I drew my bow back, my arrow was between its horns when I drew up.

00:11:51.000 Frank took photos of it.

00:11:52.000 Oh, that's so crazy.

00:11:53.000 But it was one of those things where now the reward from it, like, yeah, that feeling you have when you get it done is— Because it's much more difficult.

00:12:04.000 Much more...

00:12:04.000 Yeah, much more difficult.

00:12:06.000 It makes you think about, like, what it must have been like to be the Native Americans.

00:12:09.000 Tell you what it was like. 0.99

00:12:10.000 He's fucking hungry is what it was like, I bet. 0.99

00:12:11.000 I mean, it... 0.99

00:12:12.000 I have technology on my side, right?

00:12:15.000 And I have a lot...

00:12:15.000 Rangefinders.

00:12:16.000 Yeah, binoculars, clothing, right?

00:12:18.000 You got everything.

00:12:19.000 And so that year, though, when we were going in on a lot of these animals, I was able to get a couple turkeys and a black bear, and I shot a mule deer.

00:12:28.000 And that mule deer, like I said, when I was in those cliffs...

00:12:31.000 My arrow was between its antlers when I drew back, so I shot it at three feet.

00:12:36.000 That's crazy. 0.82

00:12:37.000 It was crazy.

00:12:37.000 And that would have never happened.

00:12:38.000 How did you sneak up on it like that?

00:12:40.000 Was it the wind?

00:12:41.000 Yeah, so Frank, he was glassing it, and I circled.

00:12:47.000 It was probably two and a half miles around, maybe.

00:12:49.000 So you were above it on the cliff?

00:12:51.000 No, we were...

00:12:51.000 When I shot it, I was.

00:12:53.000 So, you know, we were across from it, however far we were.

00:12:57.000 I mean, over a mile.

00:12:58.000 And I looped way around, and I told Frank, I said, hey...

00:13:01.000 When you see me, just give me the touchdown and I'm above it.

00:13:05.000 Man, I stalked the wrong rock twice.

00:13:08.000 I lost my boots.

00:13:10.000 Because you took your shoes off to sneak in? 0.99

00:13:12.000 Yeah, but except I was sneaking in on a fucking rock, right? 0.99

00:13:15.000 I wasn't at the right rock. 0.96

00:13:17.000 Because to go that far and hit the exact same spot is difficult because I lost sight of Frank almost the whole way because I couldn't expose myself.

00:13:25.000 So when I looped around...

00:13:27.000 We're good to go.

00:13:43.000 Frank stood up a mile away, held his hands up, and I'm like, it's got to be right in front of me.

00:13:48.000 And I caught the top three inches of its velvet antlers sticking up.

00:13:53.000 And it was windy, so every gust of wind, which was about every 10, 15 seconds, I took a step.

00:13:58.000 I got to nine yards, and I grabbed a rock and threw it.

00:14:02.000 And the mule deer, they tell you everything you need to know in the top four inches of their antlers.

00:14:06.000 So I'm watching those to see if he moves.

00:14:09.000 Didn't move at all.

00:14:10.000 Nothing.

00:14:11.000 Threw another rock.

00:14:12.000 Nothing.

00:14:12.000 Threw another rock.

00:14:13.000 And I'm like...

00:14:13.000 So explain to people.

00:14:14.000 You throw on a rock to try to get this thing to stand up so you get a shot.

00:14:17.000 To get a shot, yeah.

00:14:17.000 So you throw on a rock just to make noise.

00:14:19.000 Yep.

00:14:20.000 In hopes that he just starts to get a reaction.

00:14:22.000 Yep.

00:14:23.000 And anyway, he didn't move.

00:14:25.000 And I'm like, I'm going to climb on that rock he's bedded under. 0.99

00:14:28.000 And I mean, you talk about you couldn't have put a greased flaxseed through my ass with a hammer. 0.99

00:14:32.000 I had just started doing this. 0.99

00:14:34.000 And this deer is feet from me.

00:14:36.000 And I got my foot on the rock he was on, and I'm like, I hope this, you know, planting off on my right foot to spring up onto this rock.

00:14:45.000 I waited for a gust of wind, so I'm 25 seconds from me to you from this deer.

00:14:50.000 He's got no idea I'm there.

00:14:52.000 That gust of wind hit it, I pushed off, and I was worried the shade, they'll think it's a mountain lion, pouncing on him.

00:14:58.000 So I could see the shade of my fat head on the back of his neck, and I'm like, you know, it's one of the most intense moments of my life, you know, as far as this goes.

00:15:08.000 And so when I went to draw, I had to sweep my arrow right between his horns and drew back and shot him, you know, straight down, and he ran 50 yards and piled up.

00:15:17.000 When you eat that animal, that's got to give you this insane feeling of accomplishment.

00:15:23.000 It is extremely, extremely rewarding.

00:15:25.000 To a point it's hard to explain in words because you've bested the animal in a lot of ways.

00:15:33.000 With sure skill.

00:15:34.000 And I'm not saying that like I'm Billy Badass.

00:15:36.000 I'm just saying, like, you have snuck into its living room.

00:15:40.000 There's a lot of variables.

00:15:41.000 And you've earned it.

00:15:42.000 Yeah.

00:15:42.000 You did it the right way.

00:15:44.000 As you know, I've shot a lot of stuff pretty far away with a compound, which I'm not embarrassed of. 0.78

00:15:48.000 But, you know, it's just now, rather than hanging that badge of honor, how well I can shoot, it's also, you know, how well I can hunt.

00:15:55.000 And it's been an uphill road to hoe. 1.00

00:15:57.000 I mean, there's been...

00:15:58.000 How often do you think about, like...

00:16:00.000 I mean, I find myself thinking about that all the time.

00:16:03.000 Like, I'm real lucky that I could buy food in a store.

00:16:05.000 Because this is not...

00:16:07.000 Even with a regular compound bow with great binoculars and using a rangefinder and all that jazz, it's not guaranteed that you're going to eat.

00:16:20.000 No, it's not.

00:16:21.000 Do you think about that when you're hunting?

00:16:23.000 It must have been insane to be one of the American Indians on the plains... 1.00

00:16:30.000 Well, you had Jordan on as well, you know, whatever, the alone guy, right?

00:16:35.000 Like, that dude had an advantage.

00:16:37.000 I wouldn't want to go against him.

00:16:39.000 I mean, that dude was born to live on nothing, right?

00:16:42.000 So I always put things into perspective, and he brought it up too, was when things are down, right, when you're mentally or whatever drained, and you think about it, it's like, all right, I chose to put myself out here.

00:16:56.000 All the people before me, they had to hack it out with.

00:16:59.000 They didn't have Sitka gear, they didn't have binos, they didn't have this, they didn't have that.

00:17:04.000 And so it helps motivate me, for one, but I'm like, as weird as it sounds, I think of that a lot when I'm... 0.99

00:17:11.000 Get my ass kicked, basically. 0.98

00:17:12.000 It was like, if I had to live off this thing, I would have to put in that extra effort. 1.00

00:17:16.000 Not only that, they had to make their own bows.

00:17:18.000 I'm not to that level.

00:17:20.000 I mean, that life...

00:17:21.000 I mean, I got on this real long kick of Native American books.

00:17:26.000 There's a guy named S.C. Gwen, and he wrote this book called...

00:17:32.000 Empire of the Summer Moon.

00:17:33.000 And it's all about the Comanches.

00:17:35.000 And, you know, a lot of it talks about their lifestyle and talks about the hardships that they had to go through.

00:17:41.000 And, you know, mostly bow and arrow hunting for deer and buffalo.

00:17:46.000 And it's just that that life must have been insane.

00:17:50.000 But it also talks about one of the main characters of this woman, Cynthia Ann Parker, who was abducted when she was nine years old.

00:17:57.000 And then the Americans recaptured her when she was in her 30s and she wanted to go back. 0.97

00:18:03.000 She didn't want to live in a town and live in a house and she fucking hated it. 0.99

00:18:09.000 It's like that life of, even though it's so difficult, that subsistence hunting life, it's so insanely connected. 0.96

00:18:17.000 You're so insanely connected to the forest and to the woods, to the animals, just to the earth itself.

00:18:24.000 You are, and I think on me, I spent 150, 200 nights a year in the wilderness for the last year.

00:18:32.000 Yeah, you probably do more than anybody that I know.

00:18:34.000 That's one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you about this, because your company, Kofaro, which makes some great backpack companies out there that make amazing gear, but you guys make, I mean, there's no arguing. 0.97

00:18:47.000 It's top of the food chain shit. 0.84

00:18:49.000 And one of the reasons why your company makes such good backpacks is because of your experience in the woods. 1.00

00:18:55.000 I mean, you fucking live out there. 0.97

00:18:56.000 Well, it's weird. 0.98

00:18:57.000 So when I started, Patrick, the owner, he...

00:19:02.000 Same way, right?

00:19:04.000 I mean, he's 80 now, or however old, you know, 79, 80. He was the same way as I was.

00:19:08.000 So when I started there, whatever, a decade ago, he was...

00:19:13.000 I wouldn't say enamored.

00:19:14.000 He was happy to see a younger guy that could not get out of the woods.

00:19:18.000 And so what was crazy, where most people end up getting stuck in an office, if he came in the office and I was in there and disgruntled, he'd be like, what are you doing? 0.98

00:19:26.000 Go get your shit and get in the woods. 1.00

00:19:28.000 He would want you. 1.00

00:19:30.000 Oh, there's no one.

00:19:31.000 He would make me.

00:19:33.000 I'd be like, Patrick.

00:19:34.000 Man, we got a lot of stuff going on.

00:19:36.000 And he always has glasses, right?

00:19:38.000 He looks over the top and he's like, son, it can wait.

00:19:41.000 And I'm like, okay.

00:19:42.000 So what he wanted was a guy, and he quizzed, you know, there was a long trial period to find his successor, right?

00:19:50.000 There was a lot of questioning.

00:19:51.000 We'd backpack in and he'd be like, hey, why don't you catch some fish, shoot a couple rabbits and a few squirrels for dinner.

00:19:57.000 I'm like, all right, cool.

00:19:59.000 And I'd do it, bring them back.

00:20:00.000 He'd be like, you want to clean them?

00:20:01.000 I'm like...

00:20:02.000 Yeah.

00:20:02.000 I mean, of course, I'm like, I didn't know I was testing you.

00:20:05.000 I didn't realize it.

00:20:06.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:20:06.000 And then at one point in time, he told me, he's like, you have passed the test.

00:20:11.000 And I'm like, I've been doing this since birth, Patrick.

00:20:13.000 And he's like, everyone says that.

00:20:15.000 Very people have.

00:20:16.000 And my...

00:20:18.000 My background, my hometown's only 200 people, right?

00:20:20.000 I'm in a logging community in Oregon.

00:20:21.000 It's right off the Pacific Crest Trail.

00:20:23.000 I mean, that's all we did. 0.99

00:20:24.000 I was on a trail crew team clearing off wilderness trails with a fucking crosscut saw and a hatchet at 14 years old. 0.98

00:20:32.000 That's what I did in the summers for money. 0.99

00:20:34.000 That's crazy.

00:20:35.000 Different lifestyle, right?

00:20:36.000 I mean, my daughter, and I love my daughter to death, and she'd be like, Dad, did you have a job when you were my age? 0.98

00:20:40.000 I'm like, I was running a fucking 72-inch bar still chainsaw, honey. 0.89

00:20:43.000 Yeah, I had a job, you know? 0.97

00:20:45.000 And I've been able to pass a lot of those things on to her, but it's a different lifestyle.

00:20:50.000 When I was in high school, you could have guns in your truck, you'd take them into the principal's office, he'd keep them in his office, and then when you got out, you'd go deer hunting.

00:20:59.000 I'm not that much younger than you, but a little bit.

00:21:01.000 I've heard those days.

00:21:02.000 I've heard of those days.

00:21:04.000 So, you know, it was something, you know, skipping school, we'd skip school to hunt.

00:21:09.000 Well, you'd take off opening day.

00:21:11.000 It was like a national holiday almost.

00:21:12.000 It was a big deal.

00:21:13.000 And so, you know, we didn't have any money.

00:21:15.000 I was poor as a kid, so we picked mushrooms, chanterelles, gamakatsus, morels.

00:21:20.000 That's what I did for school clothes.

00:21:21.000 Split firewood.

00:21:22.000 It was a different lifestyle.

00:21:24.000 And so, as I've gotten older, you know, all of those things that I learned...

00:21:29.000 Have carried on to where now I'm pretty...

00:21:31.000 I can sustain myself on just about anything.

00:21:34.000 What part of Oregon were you in?

00:21:35.000 Detroit.

00:21:37.000 And is that Roosevelt elk country?

00:21:39.000 So it's east of I-25, so they're hybrids. 0.99

00:21:42.000 So it's Rocky Mountain and Roosevelt hybrid?

00:21:45.000 Yeah.

00:21:45.000 And so it's...

00:21:46.000 Cam and I are right beside...

00:21:48.000 I mean, we're super close from where I'm from.

00:21:49.000 He's 45 minutes away.

00:21:51.000 The first bow that I got, actually, I was...

00:21:55.000 13, I'd mowed lawns all summer and worked or whatever, and we went to the bow rack, my mom, and that's just what popped up.

00:22:01.000 Springfield, Oregon.

00:22:02.000 Yeah, we drove down there, and I don't even hardly remember what my mom was telling me, and we bought a bow, and I didn't know what I was doing, right?

00:22:09.000 And I would say, like, the way that, you know...

00:22:15.000 At that time, I was pissed because we'd go to football camps.

00:22:18.000 I'd have like the poor kids stuff and whatever, but it makes you a lot better person, I think.

00:22:23.000 Yeah, that feeling when you're poor and you're young, that's irreplaceable.

00:22:27.000 You know, I still think about when I was young, like not knowing if we were going to have enough food.

00:22:34.000 I think about that.

00:22:35.000 We were on welfare when I was like seven years old.

00:22:37.000 And I think about those days because I remember being nervous.

00:22:41.000 That we wouldn't have enough food or people being mad at me that I ate too much.

00:22:45.000 I've never been mad at my kids if they ate too much.

00:22:47.000 But I remember that people would get upset at me if I ate too much.

00:22:53.000 And I remember thinking, man, we might not have enough food.

00:22:56.000 And there's something that gets instilled in you when you're poor, when you're young.

00:23:01.000 There's a nervousness or a drive that I don't think you can replace in a kid that grows up affluent.

00:23:09.000 I just don't think it's possible.

00:23:11.000 I would agree.

00:23:12.000 And I mean, you've been around all walks of life like I have myself.

00:23:16.000 And the one thing I wouldn't take back is, you know, now there'll be, you know, of course you get successful and people are like, oh, you know, he's got money, he's got this.

00:23:24.000 And it's like, I remember my dad, he worked for the highway department.

00:23:27.000 He was a sole provider for the family of four making like $1,400 a month.

00:23:32.000 And I had a sister and, you know, both my parents smoked.

00:23:36.000 My dad drank a lot of beer.

00:23:37.000 So whatever that $1,400 went to, it was a lot less than that after those spices, right?

00:23:41.000 And so when I needed something, you had to work for it.

00:23:43.000 I remember working my ass off to get a pair of Converse, which was a huge deal.

00:23:47.000 They were like $50 or something.

00:23:49.000 Where now, you know, my daughter, she works hard.

00:23:52.000 So I try to instill some of those things on her.

00:23:54.000 But I also probably spoil her too much because I'm like, I do not want you to suffer a struggle like that.

00:23:58.000 I know.

00:23:59.000 Isn't that funny? 0.98

00:23:59.000 It's like what makes people interesting, I always say this about my friends, like all my friends that are interesting grew up fucked up. 0.98

00:24:06.000 All of them. 0.98

00:24:07.000 All of them grew up in like crazy households and fucked up and now they're just like me. 0.99

00:24:12.000 They're all like really loving parents. 0.99

00:24:14.000 They love being a father.

00:24:16.000 And I'm like, God, we're giving these kids a life that is gonna ensure they're never gonna be interesting. 0.98

00:24:23.000 Yeah, that's no shit. 0.97

00:24:24.000 I will say, thank God for my daughter, because I, whatever, she was five when we got divorced. 0.94

00:24:30.000 And on my side of things, you've got backpack hunters and powerlifters, photographers, you know, team, you know, like tier one group guys.

00:24:38.000 And Kaylee's like all walks of life.

00:24:40.000 She speaks two and a half languages, working on a third show.

00:24:42.000 Two and a half?

00:24:43.000 She's not fluent in three, so I say two and a half.

00:24:46.000 I don't want to say she's fluent in three, but she's... 0.81

00:24:49.000 And she's shockingly Caucasian, and she speaks fluent Spanish. 0.88

00:24:53.000 Like, literally, she's from Mexico.

00:24:55.000 And so that kid is super...

00:24:57.000 It's a good skill to have.

00:24:58.000 Oh, it was...

00:24:59.000 I just hired at Cafaru.

00:25:00.000 Because, you know, we have different, you know, people...

00:25:03.000 Some of our sewers and things.

00:25:04.000 It's super handy.

00:25:05.000 She can speak it.

00:25:06.000 Well...

00:25:08.000 We've done good between my ex-wife and I because that kid budgets to a point I want to choke her because she just moved up here and I'm like, look, I'll just pay for it. 0.83

00:25:16.000 She's like, nope, I don't want any money. 0.95

00:25:18.000 I'm going to do it on my own.

00:25:19.000 I budgeted all this and I'm like, I must have done something right because I would have prayed for help because I didn't have help after 17. I think sometimes it's just genetics too.

00:25:28.000 It's what makes a kid a kid.

00:25:31.000 I have one kid that's insanely ambitious and super hyper-focused and she... 0.66

00:25:37.000 Whatever she gets into, she becomes obsessed, just completely obsessed.

00:25:41.000 And it's not because of want or need.

00:25:44.000 It's just some weird drive.

00:25:46.000 So it's like, you know, I think they call it epigenetics.

00:25:49.000 It's something that's transmitted down from parent to the child, some desire for perfection and things.

00:25:56.000 We should talk about that because that's interesting I brought up.

00:25:58.000 I've never smoked weed in my life.

00:26:00.000 No coke, no heroin, no nothing.

00:26:02.000 And my dad is a huge pothead.

00:26:05.000 Right.

00:26:05.000 I am incapable of losing.

00:26:07.000 I hate losing.

00:26:08.000 My dad is the most uncompetitive man you would ever meet in your life.

00:26:12.000 And it's weird.

00:26:14.000 Something skipped.

00:26:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:16.000 Yeah, well, that's my family, too.

00:26:18.000 My mom is, like, real laid back.

00:26:20.000 She's not ambitious at all.

00:26:21.000 She's just real friendly and sweet and easygoing.

00:26:25.000 And I've always been just psychotically driven from when I was young.

00:26:29.000 I remember when I came home once, I was running in the snow.

00:26:33.000 And I was like 16. And I had run up.

00:26:36.000 We lived on a hill.

00:26:37.000 And I ran up the hill and then ran up the stairs into the house. 0.98

00:26:39.000 And I opened the door and it's fucking snowing like crazy outside. 0.91

00:26:41.000 And she's got a cup of coffee because it's early in the morning. 0.97

00:26:43.000 She was like, I don't even know where you came from.

00:26:47.000 And then she just goes into the kitchen and has breakfast. 0.99

00:26:49.000 I tell you what, though.

00:26:50.000 It is good.

00:26:53.000 You know, I'm not father of the year by any means, but when we do, you know, simple things for your kid to see, like we do backpack cardio and Kaylee comes, you know, and she can see you're giving it everything you've got.

00:27:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:07.000 They see that. 1.00

00:27:08.000 That shit's, you know, impressionable, I guess. 1.00

00:27:13.000 Yeah, hell yeah, they do. 1.00

00:27:14.000 Yeah, they say, like, the best way a guy can be a father to his daughter is to...

00:27:22.000 Especially like to set them up for the future is to show them how they should expect to be treated and Show them how you treat other people like the way you behave Around them is like what they're gonna learn.

00:27:36.000 Yeah, like being if you're respectful and friendly Like the way you are that that results oftentimes better For them to see then even what you teach them and tell them because what you tell them only goes so far but what they see is When they see you drive or driven,

00:27:53.000 when they see you work hard, when they see you diligent and respectful and friendly, that's what really, like, sinks in.

00:27:59.000 Yeah, it's worked good.

00:28:01.000 So I crossed my fingers.

00:28:02.000 She's 19. So, I mean, I wouldn't change anywhere.

00:28:06.000 I was a little fuckhead when I was a kid. 0.99

00:28:07.000 I was bad. 1.00

00:28:08.000 Yeah, I was a fuckhead. 1.00

00:28:10.000 I was a fuckhead for sure. 0.99

00:28:11.000 We were talking, you know, where I'm from, while we were bouncing around in rabbit holes, there's a lake I live on. 0.99

00:28:17.000 It's like nine miles long.

00:28:18.000 And you're a product of what you're surrounded by.

00:28:20.000 So, you know, all my dad and his friends, you know, did not like tourists, right?

00:28:26.000 So we would cut boats loose and push them out in the lake for all the people camping.

00:28:31.000 Oh, my God.

00:28:32.000 Yeah, it's old enough now I can't get in trouble, right?

00:28:34.000 Your dad was teaching you how to do that?

00:28:36.000 He didn't teach that.

00:28:37.000 He was just constantly complaining about tourists, right?

00:28:40.000 So then we would wreak havoc and then go Yogi Baron, you know, get camoed up, go steal everybody's beer in the middle of the night.

00:28:47.000 Why did he not like tourists?

00:28:49.000 What was it?

00:28:50.000 I don't...

00:28:51.000 California was probably the worst one, right?

00:28:54.000 I mean, freeing from Oregon, you know? 0.99

00:28:56.000 If you're from Idaho, you bitch about people from Washington. 0.99

00:28:59.000 Right. 0.99

00:29:00.000 I don't...

00:29:00.000 You know, my world was so much different because I left at 17 and, you know, I joined the Army.

00:29:06.000 I was in the Army for a few years and then I got out.

00:29:09.000 And so from how I was raised to how I end up, it's just different, you know?

00:29:14.000 I mean, I'm 200 people in my hometown.

00:29:16.000 I mean, I live in Denver now, for God's sake.

00:29:18.000 So it's a big difference.

00:29:19.000 Giant difference.

00:29:20.000 Well, and I mean, social diversity as well.

00:29:23.000 Yeah.

00:29:24.000 I mean, like now I... From where I was to, like, right now, the views I was raised with, I mean, everything has changed, you know, greatly.

00:29:35.000 For the better.

00:29:35.000 I mean, I'm...

00:29:37.000 You look back, I mean, I'm sure your same thing made you, you know, I mean, my dad was not exactly easy on me, but it fucking made me tougher, so I can't bitch about that. 0.92

00:29:45.000 It's weird. 0.83

00:29:46.000 It's like you wouldn't want to go through it again, right?

00:29:48.000 You don't want to be, but there's some insanely valuable lessons in that.

00:29:52.000 But I think, you know, I mean, I don't think it's impossible to raise a good kid, you know, if you're not struggling.

00:30:00.000 I don't think it's impossible, but I think it's more difficult.

00:30:02.000 What is that old expression?

00:30:05.000 It's easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than to go to heaven.

00:30:11.000 I don't know that one.

00:30:12.000 I think that's an ancient biblical expression.

00:30:15.000 Usually my sayings are much different than that.

00:30:17.000 I usually get in trouble for them.

00:30:18.000 But yeah, I'm sure that sounds, I'm sure that makes sense.

00:30:22.000 Did you just bust out your Copenhagen?

00:30:24.000 I did.

00:30:24.000 Am I cool to chew on here?

00:30:25.000 Do you need a bottle to spit it into?

00:30:28.000 I got this here.

00:30:29.000 We're good. 1.00

00:30:30.000 How often do you have to chew that shit? 1.00

00:30:33.000 It's funny you mention that, about a can and a half a day. 1.00

00:30:36.000 Cowboy gave me some once and I swallowed it.

00:30:38.000 Oh, did you puke like Luke?

00:30:40.000 No, I didn't.

00:30:41.000 Every time Luke borrows a dip.

00:30:42.000 Oh, you manned up?

00:30:43.000 It didn't even make me sick.

00:30:45.000 Luke puked all over yesterday.

00:30:48.000 The film crews were everywhere for the tournament and Luke is just yakking uncontrollably.

00:30:54.000 I'm like, oh good God, somebody get a camera on him.

00:30:56.000 Jamie thinks it's funny.

00:30:58.000 Didn't even know you swallowed it.

00:31:00.000 That I didn't know I swallowed it? 0.99

00:31:02.000 It's unbelievable to know that's so disgusting.

00:31:04.000 That's why he asked if you puked right away. 0.52

00:31:06.000 Yeah, no, I didn't puke.

00:31:08.000 That's pretty solid.

00:31:08.000 It's weird.

00:31:09.000 I drank for the first time with Luke not too long ago.

00:31:11.000 I haven't drank in a couple decades.

00:31:13.000 Oh, really?

00:31:14.000 What made you have a dream?

00:31:16.000 I told him I would. 0.99

00:31:17.000 He said, I want you to get you fucked up on my podcast. 0.99

00:31:20.000 I was his first guest. 0.99

00:31:22.000 And so, you know, you've known Luke for forever.

00:31:27.000 I mean, I don't know if you...

00:31:29.000 How long have you known Luke?

00:31:30.000 Decades?

00:31:31.000 Quite a...

00:31:31.000 We should say who he is.

00:31:33.000 Luke Cordillo.

00:31:33.000 He is involved in MMA. He's been involved in MMA forever.

00:31:37.000 Used to be a fighter.

00:31:38.000 Works with Justin Gaethje.

00:31:40.000 He's a UFC interim lightweight champion.

00:31:44.000 Yeah, I've known him a long time.

00:31:46.000 He's always been around.

00:31:47.000 Yeah, so we shoot archery constantly.

00:31:49.000 In fact, you know, for everybody listening, I have taken every bit of money from Luke.

00:31:52.000 He's about to get divorced.

00:31:53.000 Just to remind you of that, Luke.

00:31:54.000 Do you guys gamble in archery?

00:31:56.000 Oh, my God.

00:31:57.000 Really?

00:31:57.000 And I'm not a good guy to gamble against in archery.

00:32:00.000 I didn't know gambling in archery was a big deal, but it makes sense.

00:32:03.000 It is in bowling and pool.

00:32:06.000 Think about it.

00:32:07.000 If you have, you know...

00:32:09.000 Pick guys.

00:32:10.000 You get, you know, Dudley and Cam and me and you and, I don't know if you know Levi Morgan, probably the greatest archer to ever hold a bow in his hand.

00:32:17.000 I hunted with him in Utah last year.

00:32:19.000 Yeah, it's a super cool dude.

00:32:21.000 We were in camp together.

00:32:22.000 Yeah, great guy. 0.99

00:32:23.000 Think about the amount of money if everybody's got a few hundred in their pocket and the shit-talking starts. 0.99

00:32:28.000 Well, Luke is the epic shit-talker, but he does not have the skill level to back that up. 1.00

00:32:33.000 He just loves talking shit. 1.00

00:32:34.000 He does, and so I goad him into gambling. 0.99

00:32:37.000 So yesterday, I think he's $45 short of paying up, but I'm pretty sure he's about to get a divorce from gambling too much.

00:32:44.000 Oh, no.

00:32:44.000 Yeah, it's bad.

00:32:45.000 Well, in pool, they would always tell you that you should gamble because it'll make your game better.

00:32:49.000 Hell yes, it will.

00:32:50.000 Yeah.

00:32:51.000 And I would imagine that that same thing would be said for shooting because you would be able to fire under pressure.

00:32:58.000 Yep.

00:32:59.000 Are you packing right now?

00:33:00.000 I'm packing it, yeah.

00:33:01.000 I'm going to put an upper decker in.

00:33:02.000 An upper decker?

00:33:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:04.000 Do you worry about mouth cancer with that shit? 1.00

00:33:06.000 I don't. 1.00

00:33:06.000 No? 1.00

00:33:07.000 Jesus Christ, look at the size of that wad. 1.00

00:33:10.000 Holy fuck, dude. 1.00

00:33:12.000 Oh my God. 1.00

00:33:14.000 That was crazy.

00:33:15.000 Yeah, it's worse than the bottom lip.

00:33:18.000 That was like a handful of grass.

00:33:20.000 Like you just grabbed...

00:33:23.000 Grab some mulch.

00:33:24.000 Yeah, I started chewing Zin.

00:33:27.000 Have you seen that?

00:33:28.000 What's that?

00:33:28.000 Is that fake?

00:33:30.000 No, it's not fake.

00:33:31.000 It's strong, but it doesn't have the carcinogens in it.

00:33:34.000 What?

00:33:35.000 How do they do that?

00:33:37.000 Christ, man, don't make me explain.

00:33:38.000 Jamie, can you look at...

00:33:40.000 Yeah, how could they take the carcinogens out?

00:33:42.000 So...

00:33:44.000 If people hear me coughing, it's not the COVID, folks.

00:33:46.000 I did stand-up this weekend for the first time in three months in Houston.

00:33:51.000 Shout out to Houston.

00:33:52.000 And my voice is shot from screaming.

00:33:55.000 I didn't realize it, but your voice gets in shape.

00:33:59.000 Yeah.

00:34:00.000 You know?

00:34:00.000 And my voice is way out of shape.

00:34:02.000 After the first show, my voice was like a little hoarse.

00:34:05.000 Did you pack the house?

00:34:07.000 Yeah, well, it's supposed to be at 75% capacity.

00:34:10.000 I think that's what they were saying it was.

00:34:13.000 So it was packed, though.

00:34:14.000 It was a lot of fun, man.

00:34:16.000 It was weird.

00:34:17.000 It was very weird to be back on stage again.

00:34:20.000 A lot of fun, though.

00:34:21.000 But LA's bad right now.

00:34:22.000 The comedy store just furloughed all of its employees.

00:34:25.000 They were hoping to reopen, and they had opened as a bar.

00:34:29.000 So they had outside patio seating, and they had it all set up nice, social distance and everything, and then the governor just came down with another order to shut all the bars down. 0.99

00:34:38.000 And now the Comedy Store has no money coming in, so they're fucked. 0.53

00:34:40.000 And then it looks like they're not going to open up anytime soon. 0.95

00:34:44.000 They were hoping to open the Comedy Club back up in August or July.

00:34:48.000 That was the hope. 0.99

00:34:49.000 And it looks like that's not happening now, so we're fucked. 1.00

00:34:52.000 That sucks. 1.00

00:34:53.000 It does suck. 1.00

00:34:54.000 Because in Texas, they had it down. 0.99

00:34:56.000 You wear a mask.

00:34:57.000 People wore a mask in the audience.

00:34:58.000 Everybody had masks, like getting into the building.

00:35:01.000 All the servers had masks.

00:35:04.000 You know, they check temperatures in places.

00:35:05.000 They know how to keep people safe.

00:35:08.000 You've got to give people the opportunity to make their own decisions.

00:35:12.000 That's my thing.

00:35:13.000 You know, if you want to wear a mask or stay home, that's your prerogative.

00:35:17.000 But, you know, I'm not.

00:35:18.000 Of course, you know, I'm young and healthy, so whatever.

00:35:20.000 I'm not worried about it.

00:35:21.000 But you lock people in.

00:35:23.000 I mean, I don't see anything good coming out of that.

00:35:26.000 No, it's not.

00:35:27.000 It's not good for the economy.

00:35:28.000 It's not good for the people.

00:35:30.000 It's not good for their sense of, like, how they fit into the world.

00:35:34.000 Well, and I'm kind of with you.

00:35:35.000 I'm all for fat shaming, or I'd be fatter than I am now if it wasn't for fat shaming.

00:35:39.000 The health, I mean, you think about how unhealthy people are getting just sitting at home.

00:35:44.000 It's not good.

00:35:44.000 70% of the United States is overweight.

00:35:48.000 That's insane.

00:35:49.000 I mean, that really is insane.

00:35:50.000 And that's a real problem with COVID. They say that one of the major factors in COVID is obesity.

00:35:55.000 It's a huge factor.

00:35:57.000 Yeah, which is, you know, in general or whatever, it's pretty, I get a kick out of how we're pretty soft, you know, as Americans.

00:36:07.000 I mean, especially if you're in third world countries and you look at, like, people are happy.

00:36:12.000 They don't have to go to work.

00:36:13.000 And I'm like, good God.

00:36:15.000 A lot of people are actually making more money from unemployment.

00:36:18.000 Yeah.

00:36:19.000 Yeah.

00:36:39.000 As a waiter or a waitress, you know, you're going to make less money.

00:36:43.000 So for some folks, it's actually better for them to say, oh, I don't want to do it.

00:36:48.000 I'm just going to keep collecting unemployment.

00:36:50.000 And you actually make more money that way.

00:36:51.000 I've talked to a bunch of people that have said that, that they make more money off unemployment.

00:36:56.000 Well, at Kefaru, we just kept paying everybody.

00:37:00.000 You know, we took a...

00:37:02.000 Four months off, I guess, just paid everyone, whatever.

00:37:06.000 And we, you know, I was looking at, like, how that worked, and I was like, good God.

00:37:11.000 Once I started reading about the, you're talking about the unemployment?

00:37:15.000 I'm like, Jesus, there's going to be a lot of people that don't go back to work.

00:37:17.000 And it's the same thing in Colorado, but...

00:37:20.000 It's sad, man.

00:37:21.000 It's really sad because there's a lot of people that are losing their businesses through no fault of their own.

00:37:25.000 They didn't do anything wrong.

00:37:26.000 They work hard.

00:37:27.000 They're disciplined.

00:37:28.000 They show up every day.

00:37:29.000 They put together a business, and now it's folding.

00:37:31.000 It's going under.

00:37:33.000 And it might be happening to the comedy store.

00:37:35.000 They don't know what they're going to do.

00:37:37.000 And I heard the laugh factor is about to go under as well.

00:37:39.000 So the state of comedy in California is in a real bad place right now.

00:37:44.000 Real bad. 0.99

00:37:45.000 Yeah, that sucks. 0.93

00:37:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:37:48.000 I don't want to dive into this too much, but it's fucked up. 0.97

00:37:53.000 It seems way blown out of proportion, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but how many people do you know that are sick personally? 0.96

00:38:00.000 I know one guy who almost died, and he's not an old guy.

00:38:04.000 His name's Michael Yeo.

00:38:06.000 He's a comic.

00:38:06.000 There was a bunch of extenuating circumstances, and one of them being that he has vitamin D deficiency.

00:38:13.000 Another one being that he flew to New York with very little sleep, worn out, did radio and promotion, did TV shows.

00:38:22.000 Then did two shows at a comedy club, two shows the next night, flew back home.

00:38:27.000 Again, very little sleep.

00:38:28.000 Got in his car with his family, drove to Vegas to be with his wife's family, and then drove back home on the same day.

00:38:35.000 So that's at least eight hours in the car, just driving.

00:38:38.000 And then he had auditions the next two days, and he just was wiped out.

00:38:42.000 He was burning the candle at both ends.

00:38:43.000 And he got real sick.

00:38:44.000 His immune system was just crushed.

00:38:46.000 Yeah, but you shouldn't do that.

00:38:49.000 All those things, that's too much.

00:38:51.000 You know, it's just poor planning.

00:38:52.000 And then, you know, on top of that, I think he was run down already.

00:38:56.000 Like, he might have had a little bit of a cold already.

00:38:58.000 So it kicked in, and it was bad.

00:39:00.000 I mean, he was hospitalized for over a week.

00:39:02.000 And his doctor actually told him they were, you know, thinking about putting him on a ventilator, and his doctor said, if we put you on a ventilator, you'll probably die.

00:39:10.000 And it turns out his doctor was a wise man, because...

00:39:13.000 Somewhere around 80% of the people they put on ventilators in New York City died.

00:39:17.000 Yeah, I heard that.

00:39:18.000 That's crazy.

00:39:19.000 The doctor was saying that if you put him on a ventilator, his body would stop working.

00:39:23.000 It's like, if I give your body this machine that starts working for it and your body stops working, there's no guarantee it's going to start working again.

00:39:32.000 It's going to breathe on its own again.

00:39:33.000 Right. 1.00

00:39:33.000 Scary fucking shit, man. 1.00

00:39:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:36.000 But here's the big one, man.

00:39:38.000 The real big one that drives me crazy.

00:39:41.000 Why are they not talking about how to take care of yourself?

00:39:45.000 Instead of all this fear of you gotta wear a mask and you gotta social distance and all that stuff is great.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, you should do that.

00:39:51.000 You should wear a mask.

00:39:52.000 You should social distance.

00:39:53.000 But you know what you should also do?

00:39:55.000 Drink a lot of water.

00:39:56.000 You should also get sleep.

00:39:57.000 You should also stop eating sugar.

00:39:59.000 You should also take vitamins.

00:40:01.000 Supplement your diet.

00:40:02.000 Try to get some sunshine.

00:40:03.000 Do all the things that you need to do for health.

00:40:06.000 Get exercise.

00:40:07.000 Yeah.

00:40:08.000 Increase your cardiovascular capacity.

00:40:09.000 It's a giant factor in whether or not you, you know, you recover from this disease or how quickly you recover.

00:40:15.000 No, my buddy John called and he was like going on a tirade about exact same thing you're talking about.

00:40:20.000 He, you know, he's, you might know him, he's PRS, he's a shooter, long range shooter.

00:40:28.000 He is a super fit guy, lawn mowing.

00:40:30.000 You know, normal dude, right?

00:40:31.000 He owns a lawn mowing deal. 0.99

00:40:32.000 Anyway, but he's one of the better shooters in the United States or, fuck, I don't know, North America. 0.99

00:40:36.000 Long range rifle shooting? 0.99

00:40:37.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:40:37.000 He's a crazy kid. 0.99

00:40:38.000 I would not want him shooting at me at a thousand yards. 1.00

00:40:40.000 And he, you know, his thing was, is why the fuck aren't we giving people dieting advice? 0.96

00:40:45.000 Why aren't we telling people, rather than having all these announcements, it's like, hey... 0.65

00:40:52.000 We're losing so much money.

00:40:53.000 Let's start focusing people as dieticians. 0.78

00:40:56.000 Let's get people on a health food kick. 1.00

00:40:58.000 I mean, how many people, and you pick 100 people, 99 probably understand how to eat healthy.

00:41:03.000 Right.

00:41:03.000 Not their fault, right?

00:41:04.000 I didn't know until later on.

00:41:06.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:41:09.000 You know, on my end, I'm super lucky.

00:41:11.000 We live at 10,000 feet.

00:41:12.000 You know, I've had my wife drop me off the bottom of the mountain, so I have to hike home to get dinner, right?

00:41:17.000 You want a way to get healthy?

00:41:19.000 You don't get to eat.

00:41:20.000 So she drops me off at the bottom of the mountain, and I go to the top.

00:41:22.000 She cooks all organic.

00:41:25.000 And I talk to some of these people that have other issues, and they're worried about COVID, and I'm like... 0.98

00:41:30.000 You're worried about fucking COVID, right? 0.94

00:41:32.000 You've got a hundred other problems other than COVID, right? 1.00

00:41:35.000 You're like diabetic and a bunch of other shit. 0.99

00:41:36.000 It's amazing not to get on a diet thing, but America's pretty bad as far as that goes. 1.00

00:41:41.000 We should put some money into that.

00:41:43.000 Our health system is all about fixing you once you're broken.

00:41:47.000 It's not about preventing you from being broken.

00:41:50.000 Everything is about our health care system is all about care once you're injured or care once you're sick.

00:41:57.000 It's very little is about preventative nutrition and making sure you take care of your body and education.

00:42:03.000 I mean, our governor, our mayors, all these people are doing is just talking about wearing masks, talking about staying home, flattening the curve, making sure that, I mean, all this shit they're talking that no advice at all about taking care of yourself, no advice at all on meditation,

00:42:19.000 no advice at all on eating healthy and exercise. 0.94

00:42:23.000 Yeah.

00:42:24.000 It's sad.

00:42:25.000 I say that as I just jammed a giant wad of chewing.

00:42:27.000 How bad is that for you, though?

00:42:29.000 I mean, as far as like...

00:42:31.000 What is it doing?

00:42:32.000 It gives you a little jolt, right?

00:42:33.000 Yeah.

00:42:34.000 Well, for me, obviously the worst thing is obviously cancer, right?

00:42:39.000 I mean, that's bad.

00:42:40.000 But other than that, I mean, there's not... 1.00

00:42:42.000 How many people get cancer from that shit? 0.99

00:42:44.000 Is it real common? 1.00

00:42:45.000 Man, I'd have to look that up.

00:42:47.000 I don't know.

00:42:48.000 What's that there?

00:42:49.000 NeuroGum. 1.00

00:42:51.000 You're going to get me other kind of shit I'm addicted to? 1.00

00:42:53.000 This is good stuff, man. 0.99

00:42:55.000 It's nootropics in mint form. 1.00

00:42:57.000 You've already got me addicted to all that shit on it. 1.00

00:42:59.000 You know what? 1.00

00:43:00.000 The first time I took AlphaBrain, now that we're just diving down all the time, I had the most crazy-ass dreams, which I knew that shit worked, because I don't dream. 0.97

00:43:10.000 But either way, I mean, as far as the Copenhagen, my buddy was addicted to cocaine in Copenhagen. 0.94

00:43:15.000 He tried to quit both.

00:43:16.000 He's still chewing Copenhagen.

00:43:17.000 So I'll give you an idea.

00:43:18.000 It's not easy to quit.

00:43:19.000 But that Zin, what we were talking about, it is just nicotine in it.

00:43:24.000 It's Z-I-N? Z-Y-N, I think. 1.00

00:43:27.000 And this is the first time in my life I think I'm going to be able to quit.

00:43:30.000 So I went from a can and a half a day to about a can every four days.

00:43:35.000 There it is.

00:43:36.000 Are Zin nicotine pouches safe?

00:43:39.000 Recently, a novel non-tobacco nicotine product.

00:43:41.000 Zin has been developed.

00:43:43.000 It is similar to Snus. 0.76

00:43:45.000 I never knew how to say that.

00:43:47.000 Okay, thank you.

00:43:48.000 I think.

00:43:48.000 However, it contains no nitrosamines, is that the word?

00:43:52.000 Nitrosamines?

00:43:53.000 Or polycylic hydrocarbons, which may potentially be carcinogenic.

00:44:02.000 The overall safety of Zin is better than Snus. 1.00

00:44:06.000 However, it only has a little bit less nicotine than Snus.

00:44:10.000 Okay, what does that mean?

00:44:11.000 I don't know.

00:44:11.000 What did you say?

00:44:13.000 Don't read anything bad.

00:44:14.000 You're going to take away my birthday here.

00:44:16.000 So it's a pouch?

00:44:18.000 Yeah, it's like a pouch.

00:44:18.000 So you don't have to pack a wad of mulch and stuff it into your face?

00:44:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:22.000 It's a little more professional, I guess.

00:44:23.000 It just gives you a jolt? 0.99

00:44:25.000 I tell you what, I put two of them in the first time and I got dizzy as shit. 0.98

00:44:29.000 It's got some strong... 0.99

00:44:30.000 Because they said it's 100 cigarettes and a can of chew.

00:44:33.000 Really?

00:44:34.000 Of Copenhagen.

00:44:35.000 Oh my god.

00:44:35.000 Really?

00:44:36.000 Oh man.

00:44:37.000 A hundred cigarettes worth of nicotine?

00:44:40.000 That's what they say.

00:44:40.000 So how many cigarettes worth was that giant wad that you stuffed in your face?

00:44:44.000 I don't know.

00:44:45.000 I'm sure I'm going to get some hate mail from this.

00:44:47.000 I'm talking about being fat and unhealthy and I'm chewing Copenhagen.

00:44:51.000 Well, it's a stimulant.

00:44:52.000 Yeah.

00:44:52.000 Well, the other thing, the physical addiction, that's the problem with Zen.

00:44:55.000 You don't spit, right?

00:44:56.000 You get used to that.

00:44:58.000 So you just hold it in your mouth.

00:45:00.000 Can you swallow it?

00:45:01.000 I do.

00:45:02.000 It tastes good.

00:45:03.000 Maybe that's why I got so dizzy.

00:45:05.000 I got like a citrus one or whatever, but it's the first time in my life where I've been like, yeah, honey, I think I'm...

00:45:12.000 Might be able to quit.

00:45:13.000 One of the stunt guys I used to work with on Fear Factor used to swallow his chew and he told me that he learned he used to swallow the spit, you know, and he told me he learned how to do that on sets because you couldn't just carry a bottle around and spit into it or spit into a cup.

00:45:27.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:45:27.000 So he just would swallow the juice and I thought it was so fucking disgusting. 0.97

00:45:31.000 It is a disgusting habit. 0.99

00:45:32.000 It's pretty bad.

00:45:34.000 So, but yeah, I don't know.

00:45:35.000 Whatever.

00:45:36.000 We'll see. 0.99

00:45:36.000 I guess in three months if I text you and be like, hey, I fucking quit. 0.99

00:45:39.000 Do you drink a lot of coffee too? 0.95

00:45:40.000 No, I drink a decent amount of coffee.

00:45:43.000 I mean, I have my caffeine.

00:45:45.000 I get migraines, so I'm 500 milligrams a day.

00:45:49.000 I pretty much map it out.

00:45:50.000 So you take caffeine to avoid migraines?

00:45:53.000 No.

00:45:54.000 I just know that I... As I say that when I got on TRT, I get a migraine once every three months.

00:46:01.000 I was getting them once a week.

00:46:02.000 Really?

00:46:02.000 Whatever TRT did, which I have to thank you for that.

00:46:06.000 We'll talk about that in a minute.

00:46:07.000 Okay. 0.99

00:46:10.000 I learned really quick seeing neuropsychologists and brain doctors, they don't know a fucking thing about the human brain. 0.99

00:46:15.000 They're like, here, take some more pills. 0.99

00:46:16.000 They don't?

00:46:17.000 No.

00:46:18.000 They don't?

00:46:19.000 We're in real trouble.

00:46:20.000 Well, they're giving me these band-aids, and I'm like, look, I don't want something that fixes after I got it. 0.94

00:46:25.000 I don't want to fucking get them, right? 0.99

00:46:27.000 This thing could probably make my asshole turn around and start talking back to me. 1.00

00:46:31.000 The fucking negatives to this pill I'm taking from my migraines are so bad. 1.00

00:46:36.000 Was it one of those pills? 0.99

00:46:37.000 There's some pills that you take once a week.

00:46:39.000 I just take it when I get one.

00:46:40.000 So I have ocular migraines.

00:46:41.000 I couldn't tell you two apart when I get them.

00:46:44.000 I get blurry vision.

00:46:46.000 An hour before I get the migraine.

00:46:47.000 So I take that pill as soon as I get blurry vision.

00:46:50.000 Now my head itches and I'm all kinds of goofy.

00:46:53.000 There's some kind of anti-anxiety or depressant in that thing. 0.99

00:46:55.000 There's a bunch of other shit. 0.98

00:46:56.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:46:57.000 But I don't get a migraine.

00:46:59.000 But those pills cannot be good for you.

00:47:01.000 I wanted to get to a point, is it my diet?

00:47:04.000 Is that what's giving me the migraine?

00:47:05.000 Is it caffeine?

00:47:07.000 You know, because there was a time I didn't take any caffeine.

00:47:09.000 So I map out everything and I kept a log of when I got migraines.

00:47:14.000 And so once I got, that's why I know exactly.

00:47:17.000 Describe what it feels like.

00:47:18.000 I've never had a migraine.

00:47:19.000 What does it feel like? 1.00

00:47:20.000 Jamie pounding a fucking nail through my eye socket. 0.99

00:47:23.000 So just intense pain? 0.99

00:47:25.000 I got them so bad I had to get a spinal epidural because I was heaving up blood because I was convulsing basically.

00:47:34.000 What?

00:47:35.000 From migraines?

00:47:36.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:47:37.000 Holy shit! 0.99

00:47:38.000 So when you get them, and they're not all that bad, but you get sick and you would vomit uncontrollably and then your esophagus would rub together or whatever and you'd vomit of blood. 0.98

00:47:49.000 So explain, where's the blood coming from?

00:47:54.000 You said your esophagus is rubbing?

00:47:56.000 Rubbing together, heaving.

00:47:58.000 No different when your kidneys rub together.

00:47:59.000 When you dehydrate, you piss blood.

00:48:01.000 Same principle, except it's your esophagus. 0.91

00:48:03.000 That's what that is?

00:48:03.000 Your kidneys are rubbing together?

00:48:05.000 Is this all science?

00:48:06.000 Yeah, I've peed blood a few times on backpack hunts.

00:48:09.000 You run out of water, kidneys rub together, and you'll pee blood.

00:48:11.000 They rub together?

00:48:12.000 That's what's causing it?

00:48:13.000 Yeah, I guess so.

00:48:14.000 That seems wrong.

00:48:16.000 Well, I'm not a doctor, I just play one on a podcast, but I've had doctors tell me that's why.

00:48:22.000 So your kidneys rub together, wow.

00:48:24.000 So your esophagus is rubbing together from you, heaving from the pain of the migraine.

00:48:29.000 Yeah, from the migraine. 1.00

00:48:30.000 Motherfucker, that's gotta be crazy. 0.99

00:48:31.000 So people listening to this, I'm sure you're gonna get all kinds of emails, because when I started talking about it on a podcast... 0.99

00:48:36.000 I started getting tons of people.

00:48:39.000 This is what I took to get rid of them.

00:48:40.000 I mean, literally hundreds of people that have suffered from migraines. 0.99

00:48:45.000 And I've had a lot of concussions, you know, shit, so I'm sure that's part of the problem. 0.96

00:48:48.000 Well, part of the problem is my blood pressure is extremely low. 0.99

00:48:51.000 When did you get the concussions from the service, or...?

00:48:54.000 I had one bad one there.

00:48:55.000 I had two bad ones in football.

00:48:57.000 Flipped a bike over.

00:48:58.000 Got kicked in the head once later on.

00:49:01.000 It was pretty bad.

00:49:02.000 I was in a car wreck in another one.

00:49:04.000 So I've had nine.

00:49:05.000 And did the migraines come after that?

00:49:07.000 Yeah.

00:49:08.000 And actually, I recently had...

00:49:11.000 You'll like it.

00:49:12.000 I don't know if you might have listened to it.

00:49:13.000 I had Steve Tetreault.

00:49:14.000 I was stationed with him in Korea.

00:49:16.000 I got hit with an AT4. Got fired off a rocket launcher.

00:49:18.000 I was right behind it.

00:49:20.000 That's how I got that big knot on my head up here.

00:49:23.000 That was when they started.

00:49:25.000 That was bad.

00:49:26.000 And so, whatever...

00:49:27.000 Michael Yeo, who we were talking about before, he actually played football in high school and college.

00:49:31.000 And he had some real bad concussions.

00:49:34.000 And he gets migraines because of that as well.

00:49:36.000 So I think there's probably a connection.

00:49:38.000 Well, I would think there'd have to be.

00:49:41.000 But one thing I noticed is my...

00:49:43.000 Whatever's gone on in my melon...

00:49:46.000 My blood pressure is low and I got a bit of a temper problem.

00:49:49.000 And so when my anger spikes up, my blood pressure rises, I get a migraine the next day.

00:49:53.000 They're real connected.

00:49:55.000 Brain damage and temper is very connected.

00:49:57.000 Well, I started working on meditation.

00:50:01.000 It's helped in my shooting because I can really focus.

00:50:05.000 I can get...

00:50:06.000 I mean, as weird as it sounds, right?

00:50:07.000 You become one with yourself, right?

00:50:09.000 So trying to keep my blood pressure low?

00:50:13.000 Well, I think with the TRT, my blood thickened up some from when I wasn't taking it.

00:50:20.000 My blood was super thin.

00:50:22.000 Maybe that's it.

00:50:23.000 So when you say thickened, like more red blood cells?

00:50:26.000 Well, when I say thickened, this says no scientific nothing.

00:50:31.000 When they take my blood every three months, when they first took my blood, it ran like water.

00:50:36.000 I think?

00:50:58.000 And as we're saying that, I told the lady that I work with, and she basically said the same thing.

00:51:04.000 She's like, well, we'll take credit for it, although I don't know that it has any scientific weight on the subject.

00:51:08.000 But the moment I started taking TRT... There you go.

00:51:11.000 Testosterone increases the chance of clot formation in two ways.

00:51:14.000 A common side effect of testosterone therapy is...

00:51:16.000 There we go with the words.

00:51:18.000 Polythemia, which increases the body's supply of hemoglobin and hemocr...

00:51:26.000 Hematocrit.

00:51:27.000 Affecting the blood cells.

00:51:28.000 This can increase the blood pressure and thicken the blood slightly.

00:51:33.000 There you go.

00:51:34.000 See? 0.99

00:51:34.000 I'm not full of shit, everyone. 0.99

00:51:36.000 I was 100% truthful. 0.99

00:51:38.000 Science.

00:51:39.000 Whether that has to do with it, that's just a redneck we avoid saying I don't get migraines anymore and that could be why.

00:51:45.000 Whatever the actual scientific reason is, my blood is definitely thicker and my blood pressure is normal.

00:51:50.000 Well, one of the things that happens also to people that have had a bunch of head injuries is your endocrine system doesn't function properly.

00:51:57.000 Your pituitary gland doesn't produce hormones correctly and it makes people depressed.

00:52:01.000 Gotcha. 0.64

00:52:01.000 It makes you very lackadaisical, lethargic. 0.64

00:52:05.000 It's very difficult to get motivated for things.

00:52:07.000 And they find that with football players, particularly with soldiers.

00:52:11.000 A lot of soldiers...

00:52:13.000 That are treated by my friend Dr. Mark Gordon.

00:52:16.000 He runs this Traumatic Brain Institute and the whole goal of this was essentially to try, initially to try to figure out why these soldiers and football players and martial artists and all these people were experiencing so much depression and what was going on and it turned out that Man,

00:52:34.000 your pituitary gland is really sensitive.

00:52:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:52:38.000 Your endocrine system just can get really fucked up by even jet skiing. 0.97

00:52:41.000 Well, luckily, like, having my blood tested every three months, you know, I don't go to the doctor. 0.97

00:52:45.000 I'm bad about that.

00:52:46.000 And so that was, like, the first time I had...

00:52:48.000 Physical, basically.

00:52:50.000 Ever?

00:52:51.000 A couple decades.

00:52:53.000 I got pneumonia once and I went to the doctor for that.

00:52:58.000 I almost died. 1.00

00:52:59.000 I was too stupid. 1.00

00:53:01.000 How a man or a woman, whatever, how a certain individual's brain works is stupid looking back at it. 1.00

00:53:07.000 I thought I had like allergies or something. 0.99

00:53:09.000 And I'm like, hey, let's go do cardio.

00:53:11.000 Let me work this out of my system.

00:53:12.000 I worked my ass right into the hospital. 0.80

00:53:14.000 I double on pneumonia. 0.98

00:53:15.000 Oh, wow. 1.00

00:53:16.000 Yeah, I'm an idiot. 1.00

00:53:17.000 Trying to push? 1.00

00:53:18.000 Yeah.

00:53:19.000 Oh, yeah.

00:53:19.000 I pushed my way right into almost death.

00:53:21.000 I got pneumonia when I was 19. It was rough.

00:53:23.000 Well, it took me like six months to get back on track.

00:53:26.000 But the lady was super nice. 1.00

00:53:28.000 I remember going in and she's like, hey, who's your doctor?

00:53:30.000 I'm like, I don't have a doctor.

00:53:32.000 And she's like, well, you have Kaiser insurance.

00:53:34.000 I'm like...

00:53:35.000 If I have a doctor, I haven't seen him.

00:53:36.000 I'm like, you tell me who my doctor is because I don't know.

00:53:39.000 Because they assign you a doctor.

00:53:41.000 You're not one of those responsible people.

00:53:44.000 Negative.

00:53:45.000 I'm horrible. 0.99

00:53:47.000 I'm like the worst adulter known to man. 0.86

00:53:49.000 It's bad.

00:53:49.000 And so they gave me the x-ray and they're like, you have double lung pneumonia.

00:53:54.000 Adulting is hard.

00:53:55.000 It is. 0.96

00:53:56.000 You know, people give me, you know, you suck at anything, some good at photography, shooting. 0.99

00:54:00.000 I'm like, yeah, I'm fucking horrible at adulting. 0.98

00:54:01.000 I didn't file my taxes for four years. 0.97

00:54:03.000 I've got a lot of downfalls.

00:54:04.000 Oh, it's all taken care of now. 0.97

00:54:07.000 When I have people at work that come up with an issue and they're kind of embarrassed, I'm like, look, there is nothing you have fucked up that I haven't. 0.97

00:54:14.000 Do not be embarrassed. 0.96

00:54:15.000 I can help you.

00:54:16.000 Because I focus on so many other things, things like that just get pushed away. 0.99

00:54:21.000 Do you find that because of all the time you spend in the woods that it's kind of difficult to concentrate on all that silly shit? 0.98

00:54:27.000 Because it's when you're out in that primal environment, you know, like... 0.99

00:54:32.000 There's something about it that makes all that other stuff seem meaningless.

00:54:36.000 You don't want to focus on it.

00:54:38.000 Yeah, because we live in a society where it's important and I'm not good at it.

00:54:41.000 It's horrible.

00:54:41.000 I talk about it all the time at work.

00:54:43.000 I mean, I hire people really smart around me Because I'm just not, you know, we could be sitting there in a meeting.

00:54:49.000 I shouldn't even say this out loud, which is an extremely important meeting.

00:54:51.000 And I'm sitting here thinking what my gear list is and how much my caloric intake will be on a five-day backpack hunt.

00:54:57.000 It's normal, though, if you're spending 50% of your time literally sleeping under the stars.

00:55:03.000 Because we'll get done with a meeting.

00:55:04.000 I'm like, all right, who took notes?

00:55:06.000 Right.

00:55:08.000 But I am now have gotten better at just telling people ahead of time, like, hey, you're going to talk with me. 0.98

00:55:14.000 We're going to do our initial bullshit session. 0.97

00:55:16.000 You're not going to want to deal with me after this because I'm going to let you down. 0.97

00:55:18.000 I'm too busy.

00:55:19.000 You're going to deal with Frank or Dana or Anders or whoever that works for me.

00:55:22.000 You're going to deal with them.

00:55:23.000 Don't expect me to come through because my mind's on too much other stuff.

00:55:26.000 And I've had to get a lot better at that because I just don't.

00:55:30.000 Function well on stuff like that.

00:55:32.000 Yeah, but I think that one of the reasons why the company is so good and you guys make such good backpacks is because there's real...

00:55:39.000 Like, it's hard to...

00:55:41.000 Put it down in the real world.

00:55:43.000 It's not like accounting or bookkeeping where we have to do the work here, but doing the work of actually sleeping under the stars, actually camping, actually hunting and hiking, that's invaluable, man.

00:55:58.000 There's been a few heated arguments over that where they've given me crap about paperwork, and I'm like, oh.

00:56:05.000 Totally, I get it. 0.98

00:56:06.000 I'm going to get better paperwork, but your ass is coming with me on a 10-day backpack hunt. 1.00

00:56:11.000 And you're not fucking slacking, and you're getting water, and you're building fires, and you're spotting animals. 0.97

00:56:16.000 And when we get done with that, if you're as good at that as I am, Then I'm going to get better at paperwork. 0.97

00:56:21.000 But until that fucking day right now, what we're good at is making badass gear for the backcountry. 0.95

00:56:26.000 That's why I hired you. 0.95

00:56:28.000 Yeah, it's got to work together, right? 0.98

00:56:29.000 You've got to be able to do that, and they've got to be able to do the shit that you can't do. 0.95

00:56:33.000 And we have a tight-knit group now, which is great. 0.97

00:56:37.000 Everybody knows their role, and we're all supportive of each other.

00:56:39.000 But there's times where...

00:56:41.000 I got to kind of stop and really take a, like, gut check where I'm like, man, I have so solely focused my life on living and not dying.

00:56:50.000 Like, like hunting and staying alive to where, thank God for my wife, right?

00:56:55.000 I mean, she's an angel because, like, she's, we're getting ready to buy a house, right?

00:56:59.000 And so we, I shouldn't admit this on this, we go to get credit, right?

00:57:03.000 Credit, like, check my credit score.

00:57:06.000 When would you say is the last time I had credit?

00:57:08.000 I don't know.

00:57:09.000 When was the last time you had credit?

00:57:10.000 What would you take a guess of a normal human?

00:57:12.000 Four years ago?

00:57:13.000 20. So they're like, well, your debt-to-income ratio is great, which is unheard of.

00:57:19.000 And I'm like, oh, cool.

00:57:20.000 They're like, you don't have any credit.

00:57:21.000 And I'm like, I got a cell phone.

00:57:23.000 Like, no, you don't have any credit.

00:57:25.000 Oh, because you don't have like a leased car or you haven't had a mortgage or any of those things. 0.98

00:57:29.000 I haven't had fucking anything. 0.97

00:57:31.000 And so I was like, so let me get this right. 0.98

00:57:33.000 I'm not going to say how much I make, but I do good.

00:57:36.000 I'm like, so my wife makes substantially less, has substantially more bills. 1.00

00:57:41.000 And her credit score, she gets approved for more than I do?

00:57:44.000 Well, they want to show that you have a history of paying things back.

00:57:48.000 Like, I was told that early on, like, to get credit, you should actually get a loan.

00:57:52.000 I was like, well, wouldn't it be better if I saved money?

00:57:55.000 Well, like, no, it's actually better if you spend money and pay the bills. 0.99

00:57:59.000 Well, I can tell you, I made an ass of myself at that loan office, because I was like, are you fucking kidding me? 0.96

00:58:05.000 I'm like, so I can go right now and buy a vehicle cash. 0.98

00:58:09.000 But that's bad?

00:58:10.000 That's bad. 0.81

00:58:11.000 My wife was laughing her ass off because she knew how I live like a caveman. 1.00

00:58:15.000 I mean, I don't get bills.

00:58:18.000 I save and I buy.

00:58:19.000 I bought a Tundra, I paid cash for it.

00:58:22.000 Shouldn't that be healthy?

00:58:23.000 I thought it was.

00:58:24.000 That seems like it's fiscally prudent.

00:58:26.000 Well, you are wrong, Joe.

00:58:29.000 Literally, I was like, so we had to go.

00:58:32.000 So I go to, believe it or not, I go to discount tire.

00:58:35.000 I got approved for $1,200, which is insane for what I make.

00:58:39.000 And I'm like, so this is, I can get four tires?

00:58:41.000 That's all I got?

00:58:42.000 And they're like, well, you don't have any credit.

00:58:44.000 And so my credit score now is like a 710. I don't know what that means.

00:58:49.000 So you have to just buy more shit with credit to get credit? 0.99

00:58:51.000 Oh, my wife went and got a B&H photo card. 0.99

00:58:54.000 So we just got a bunch of cards that we could pay off.

00:58:57.000 I maxed them all out so she can make payments. 0.84

00:58:59.000 It is fucking weird, isn't it, that we exist like that? 0.85

00:59:02.000 I mean, that's the only way people could buy houses, really, though. 0.87

00:59:05.000 I mean, if you're making $100,000 a year and you want to buy a $600,000 house, that's not even possible.

00:59:11.000 By the time you're done saving, the house would be worth more than that anyway.

00:59:16.000 Well, my wife gets a kick out of it because she knows how, I mean, she's super close to me, and so she knows how my brain functions. 0.93

00:59:22.000 And I'm like, why don't people just work harder and go do some side jobs, just figure shit out? 0.87

00:59:27.000 Well, she's like, yeah, no, people don't do that, honey. 0.99

00:59:29.000 You're weird.

00:59:29.000 They put it on credit.

00:59:30.000 And I'm like, well, I'll go put somebody's shower door in.

00:59:33.000 I'll figure it out.

00:59:34.000 Well, living your life that way for 20 years is not good.

00:59:37.000 Well, a lot of people are finding that out because of this pandemic, that living like that with credit and having high bills and paying those bills off, that's what a lot of companies did because they thought it was the right way to do it. 0.91

00:59:50.000 And those companies are fucked right now because they've had no income coming in at all for three or four months and it's going to implode. 0.79

00:59:57.000 My buddy Andrew Schultz said it best. 0.98

00:59:58.000 He said, this pandemic has exposed weaknesses both in people's healths And in businesses, financial health.

01:00:06.000 It's exposed the flaws in the way they operate.

01:00:10.000 No, it was an eye-opener for me.

01:00:12.000 And this isn't something to be proud of, that I haven't been good at adulting for 20 years.

01:00:16.000 But I just...

01:00:18.000 I literally was like, oh, if I want to set up binoculars, I'll save up and buy binoculars. 0.51

01:00:22.000 How many people contacted you to talk to you about hunting, though, once shit started getting weird? 0.87

01:00:28.000 An awkward level. 0.95

01:00:29.000 And not just hunting.

01:00:31.000 Sustainment.

01:00:31.000 Can I... I'm trying to name-drop, but Barklow?

01:00:35.000 Yeah, John Barklow.

01:00:36.000 John Barklow works with Sitka Gear, and he and I are...

01:00:39.000 If he wasn't my brother, you would have never known.

01:00:41.000 Same mentality, same thought process, same ideas on gear.

01:00:44.000 I love that guy.

01:00:45.000 He's great.

01:00:45.000 We just did a podcast.

01:00:47.000 He's like, are you sure this isn't going to piss anybody off? 1.00

01:00:49.000 I'm like, fuck it. 1.00

01:00:49.000 They need to hear it, right? 1.00

01:00:51.000 What were you pissing people off with?

01:00:53.000 The reality of how life works, living in the woods and the people that fake it, basically.

01:00:57.000 You know how many people stay out there three days and all of a sudden they're experts, right?

01:01:01.000 Yeah.

01:01:02.000 Take a lot of photos.

01:01:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:03.000 The reality of living, being able to survive and be happy, and then what you read and everything else, basically just talking about that.

01:01:13.000 So with the...

01:01:15.000 Okay, so everybody grab toilet paper, right? 1.00

01:01:19.000 In third world countries, you wipe your ass with your hand. 0.99

01:01:21.000 You don't worry about toilet paper. 1.00

01:01:22.000 So toilet paper's gone.

01:01:24.000 Wet wipes are gone.

01:01:25.000 You go to the grocery store, everything that lasts forever is still there.

01:01:29.000 Like, you get pasta.

01:01:31.000 Top Ramen.

01:01:32.000 Simple stuff.

01:01:32.000 It's all on the shelves, but all these things that Americans have to have.

01:01:36.000 I'm not saying I want to wipe my ass with my hand by any means, but you don't need toilet paper to survive, right? 0.97

01:01:41.000 You need clean water, right? 0.99

01:01:43.000 You need food.

01:01:45.000 Body will last quite some time, three or four weeks without food.

01:01:48.000 With water, it's a couple days.

01:01:50.000 And so I'm looking at all these things leaving and I have all my – I'm not like a prepper by any means but we've got crap to house. 0.98

01:01:56.000 And I was – so this came story time for my wife where I'm explaining to her what would happen if everything kind of shit hits the fan and what's going to happen. 0.98

01:02:05.000 And Americans are so weird with the way that we think. 1.00

01:02:09.000 And so I had tons of people from what kind of gun, what kind of survival stuff, fire starter, what kind of stove.

01:02:15.000 So, you know, isobutane stoves, a canister stove.

01:02:18.000 That's the end thing.

01:02:19.000 Everybody uses those.

01:02:21.000 But a multifuel stove, when the world comes, when the world ends, the zombies are coming.

01:02:25.000 A multifuel stove burns kerosene, diesel, gas, white gas, burns everything.

01:02:29.000 No one uses those anymore.

01:02:31.000 They're a little bit heavier.

01:02:32.000 But things like that, that multifuel stove, everyone should have one of those because you can, no matter where you go, you're going to have some type of fuel to burn in that thing.

01:02:40.000 So we talked a lot about that on the podcast.

01:02:42.000 That was a lot of the questions I got was, you know, sustainment, basically.

01:02:46.000 So, I mean...

01:02:47.000 It's a weird world we live in, but I definitely live probably in a weirder one in some ways.

01:02:51.000 Yeah, I mean, everybody wanted to know how to get a gun.

01:02:54.000 Everybody wanted to know how hard is it to go hunting for the first time.

01:02:57.000 Those are the questions that I got a lot.

01:02:59.000 Like, how do you get a gun was a big one, and there was lines outside the LA gun stores.

01:03:05.000 It was really crazy to see.

01:03:06.000 Well, my wife was worried about it. 0.87

01:03:08.000 I'm like, honey, don't worry.

01:03:08.000 I'm going to take theirs.

01:03:09.000 Like, don't worry.

01:03:10.000 They don't know how to use it.

01:03:11.000 We're good.

01:03:12.000 I hope somebody comes trying to get your stuff.

01:03:14.000 Well, with a local game warden, we text back and forth.

01:03:18.000 He was like, dude, you would not believe how many people are like, I'm just going to go wait it out.

01:03:22.000 Drove their asses into the mountains and set up some Walmart tent, and then a snowstorm hit.

01:03:28.000 Like, this isn't a story. 0.98

01:03:29.000 He's like, dude, we're pulling people out like crazy.

01:03:31.000 They were doing this in March?

01:03:33.000 Yeah.

01:03:33.000 No experience.

01:03:34.000 In Colorado, yeah.

01:03:35.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:03:36.000 He was laughing.

01:03:37.000 He's like, dude, you would not believe the amount of people that were like, I'm going to go wait this thing out in the woods.

01:03:41.000 And it's like...

01:03:43.000 You're camping beside the road.

01:03:44.000 You're not really waiting anything out.

01:03:46.000 People don't even understand.

01:03:48.000 Once you're just one night by yourself out there and you would have a totally different understanding of what it actually means to exist in the wilderness without assistance.

01:03:57.000 And it's very scary.

01:03:59.000 We're so accustomed to life with assistance, whether it's buildings or electricity or air conditioning and refrigeration and all the different things that we use, supermarkets.

01:04:10.000 We're just so...

01:04:12.000 Doughy.

01:04:13.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:14.000 So soft.

01:04:15.000 What's the longest you've gone without talking to somebody?

01:04:19.000 Not very long.

01:04:22.000 Jamie?

01:04:22.000 Maybe a day.

01:04:24.000 So you look at like alone.

01:04:26.000 I explained to my wife.

01:04:28.000 I'm like, the gear they have is enough, right?

01:04:30.000 They have enough to survive.

01:04:32.000 I was like, what kills people is they are alone.

01:04:34.000 They don't have that many people to talk to, right?

01:04:36.000 They don't Think about how many people are afraid of the dark.

01:04:40.000 And then what to do if something happens.

01:04:43.000 There's all that unknown.

01:04:45.000 And that, to me, we go out for fun for 14 days.

01:04:48.000 Backpack in with what's on our back for 14 days.

01:04:51.000 And we're choosing to do that.

01:04:53.000 What about solo?

01:04:53.000 What's your longest solo trip?

01:04:55.000 14. 14 solo.

01:04:57.000 Boy, you better not have any fucking skeletons in your closet. 0.99

01:05:01.000 Man, I talk about this a long time. 1.00

01:05:03.000 You want to talk about everything you fucked up in life by about day seven? 1.00

01:05:06.000 You're like, I'm a piece of shit. 1.00

01:05:08.000 I should have done more for my kid. 1.00

01:05:10.000 Why didn't I? Because you have seven days to think about everything you've done wrong.

01:05:15.000 And that's one thing that people really need to understand is getting right with, which I've tried to work on a ton, is just getting right with Yeah.

01:05:39.000 Well, and then sleep deprivation, water deprivation, food deprivation, all of that, along with being alone, starts to take a toll on the human mind.

01:05:49.000 And it's funny, you see, same with alone, but same backpack hunt.

01:05:53.000 I get thousands of emails.

01:05:55.000 You know what?

01:05:55.000 I'm going on my first backpack hunt, going in for 14 days.

01:05:58.000 And I'm like, yeah, you're probably not going to go in 14 days, but that's your plan, right?

01:06:02.000 You're going to go in about three.

01:06:03.000 Colorado loves you.

01:06:04.000 You're going to donate 500 bucks to an elk tag, and you're going to get in there, and you're going to bitch out, and you're going to head back out in about three days. 0.97

01:06:09.000 We're going to take your money, and you're not giving it back.

01:06:11.000 Is that the average?

01:06:12.000 Yeah.

01:06:13.000 Three to four.

01:06:13.000 So a lot of guys think they're going to be able to do it, and what gets them, you think?

01:06:18.000 What's the first thing that gets them?

01:06:20.000 Other than mentally weak, right?

01:06:22.000 That's what gets them.

01:06:23.000 That's the big one, right?

01:06:24.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, not to bring up Cam again, but he blew that up like it was fun. 0.97

01:06:31.000 He's crazy.

01:06:32.000 I have to say, like, he's not a gear geek, right? 0.97

01:06:35.000 Cam is just harder than woodpecker lips, right?

01:06:38.000 He's not a gear... 0.98

01:06:39.000 When I say he's not a gear geek, he's so fucking tough. 0.94

01:06:43.000 Like, I talked about this in a seminar the other day. 0.96

01:06:44.000 I used him as an example.

01:06:46.000 He pushed this Gore-Tex bivy, which is the worst thing in the world to sleep in. 0.99

01:06:50.000 But he's so tough, he doesn't give a shit. 0.99

01:06:52.000 Well, all these people are sleeping in Gore-Tex. 0.99

01:06:54.000 It's a Gore-Tex coffin, right? 1.00

01:06:56.000 You can hardly punch your clown in that fucking thing, let alone have fun in it. 1.00

01:07:00.000 And so when weather comes in, you're in this Gore-Tex coffin. 1.00

01:07:02.000 You can't do anything.

01:07:03.000 Your gear...

01:07:03.000 So Gore-Tex bivy is just basically like a sleeping bag that's made out of waterproof material.

01:07:09.000 And you just sleep in it.

01:07:11.000 And it probably has no breathability or very little.

01:07:13.000 Very little.

01:07:14.000 I mean, it has some, but you get condensation in your footbox, and then if you use down, your footbox is wet.

01:07:19.000 Once the down's wet, it's flat.

01:07:20.000 It's no good.

01:07:21.000 It's a contractor's bag, right?

01:07:23.000 Pretty much, yeah.

01:07:24.000 And I mean, they make some that are decent. 0.75

01:07:26.000 But, you know, I would laugh so hard when Cam was coming up and people are reading all this stuff, and I'm like, yeah, you're not fucking Cam, right?

01:07:35.000 Like, you know, you can do—you can think you want to be, and you— When you go, when you hike in, usually, you know, if you're coming from back east, right? 0.97

01:07:45.000 Forums and all Facebook, whatever, all the shit you different get, and you're packing way too much shit, right? 0.99

01:07:50.000 Gear list-wise, which I can go over in a minute, but you're packing probably 30 pounds of shit you don't need. 0.99

01:07:56.000 And so then, you're smoked going in. 0.99

01:07:58.000 And you've watched way too much Primo's videos, and you think the elk are just coming screaming in, and that fucking doesn't happen, and you don't see them. 0.88

01:08:05.000 And then the, oh, like, my knees hurt, right? 0.81

01:08:10.000 Or, oh, I gotta get back to my business.

01:08:12.000 All the excuses come up. 1.00

01:08:13.000 You know, and you can come up with some shit, right? 0.99

01:08:15.000 I've heard some amazing excuses for coming out. 1.00

01:08:18.000 The reality is you're just not tough enough.

01:08:19.000 And I'm not saying that like, you know, me or Cam or Frank or whoever's tougher.

01:08:24.000 But the reality is if you were mentally tough and you really wanted it, you would stay as long as...

01:08:29.000 And a lot of that mental toughness comes with the experience too, I'd imagine.

01:08:32.000 And it also comes with the experience of forcing your body to do tough things.

01:08:37.000 You know, one of the things that Cam talks about is that he really got into endurance racing to improve his hunting. 0.92

01:08:42.000 When he first told me that, I thought that was the dumbest thing I'd ever heard. 0.56

01:08:45.000 I was like, I don't even get it. 0.97

01:08:46.000 Like...

01:08:46.000 You're running to improve your hunt.

01:08:48.000 But then once you do it for a while, you go, oh, okay, I get it.

01:08:51.000 First of all, I had no idea you'd get that tired. 0.73

01:08:54.000 Hunting, just hiking, just walking around the woods is fucking exhausting.

01:08:59.000 And then when you add a pack, especially if you're living off your back like you do, just the way I do it, if I'm staying in a lodge or I've got a tent somewhere... 0.90

01:09:10.000 Just carrying your stuff that you're hunting with is exhausting.

01:09:14.000 But it's also something about continually and regularly pushing your body and your brain way past the point where you want to quit and doing it so that you're comfortable with being uncomfortable.

01:09:26.000 And most people in everyday life are not comfortable with being uncomfortable.

01:09:30.000 They never really get to that place.

01:09:32.000 Yeah, if you become friends with pain, you'll never be alone.

01:09:34.000 And that's what I look at it like.

01:09:36.000 And I'm not trying to blow it out of proportion because it is fun if that's what you're into.

01:09:41.000 But reality, you're looking at two to seven to eight miles in.

01:09:46.000 In Colorado, you're at 10,000 to 12,000 feet. 0.98

01:09:49.000 When I think about preparing for those things, besides the shit that Cam does, I think about that fucking machine that you showed me that's an inclined treadmill that has barbells on the side that you lift up. 0.98

01:09:59.000 So you're carrying this thing where you're going up a treadmill. 0.99

01:10:02.000 What is that thing?

01:10:04.000 The Hitmill X. Pull that shit up. 1.00

01:10:06.000 So, yeah, we have the name for that, which we can cuss on here. 1.00

01:10:11.000 So it's called the cocksucker. 0.99

01:10:13.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:10:14.000 Because I put 45s on either side. 1.00

01:10:17.000 The problem with that name is some people like sucking cock and everybody likes getting their cock sucked. 1.00

01:10:21.000 Nobody likes getting on that goddamn thing. 1.00

01:10:24.000 When we first got it... 0.99

01:10:25.000 So how I got...

01:10:27.000 Which actually this leads into...

01:10:29.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:10:30.000 So this thing, you're doing a farmer's carry uphill on a treadmill.

01:10:35.000 And folks, when I tell you, just looking at this thing hurts my feelings.

01:10:38.000 So, how I got that, the guy...

01:10:42.000 I have to get one of those.

01:10:43.000 The guy that's, which I guess, whatever, we can talk about this.

01:10:47.000 The guy that's actually purchasing kafaru with me.

01:10:50.000 I took him on a goat hunt.

01:10:51.000 The day before we went on a goat hunt, he had that downstairs.

01:10:55.000 And I'm like...

01:10:56.000 Dude, that is like perfect.

01:10:58.000 And he was like, man, get on it.

01:11:00.000 So I got on it with no weight.

01:11:02.000 He had 45s on either side.

01:11:03.000 And I'm like, this is made for backpack hunting, right?

01:11:06.000 Yeah, I would imagine that's probably other than actually hiking yourself.

01:11:09.000 That's probably one of the best ways you could ever get in shape for that.

01:11:12.000 Well, you think about it, you look at like his little video there.

01:11:14.000 So what I do is I have a 45 to 60 pound pack and I have two 45 pound dumbbells.

01:11:19.000 And then I'll do five minute intervals with just the pack.

01:11:22.000 And then I'll grab the dumbbells and I'll do five minutes of shrugs or just holding the weight up with the 45s.

01:11:29.000 Then I go and I put it down to like basically a half mile an hour and I do a truck pull.

01:11:34.000 And I put my hands and you're basically just driving forward with your body, not parallel to the ground, but just like if you're pulling a truck with a harness. 0.86

01:11:41.000 And I do that, and then I do those three exercises and intervals for 30 minutes, and I'm pretty fucked up by the time I'm done. 0.99

01:11:47.000 Pull that picture up again, the video of that shit. 0.98

01:11:50.000 That looks like one of the hardest things you could do in terms of something you could do in a gym. 0.99

01:11:54.000 If you're carrying that weight, like in that farmer's carrier, and you're going uphill, it's a self-propelled treadmill too, right?

01:12:00.000 I have one of those outside, one of those air runners. 0.91

01:12:03.000 I fucking love it. 0.97

01:12:05.000 Well, you can't break it is what's nice, right? 0.99

01:12:07.000 Right.

01:12:07.000 When you have the self-propelled.

01:12:08.000 Well, it's just so hard to work on.

01:12:11.000 Yeah.

01:12:11.000 But that thing's amazing.

01:12:12.000 And does it vary the pitch?

01:12:14.000 Can you raise it and lower it?

01:12:15.000 You can't vary the pitch.

01:12:16.000 You can just vary the resistance.

01:12:17.000 So I hit the brake when I'm doing a truck pull.

01:12:19.000 I drop the brake on it.

01:12:21.000 And so you literally...

01:12:22.000 You can vary the resistance of the treadmill itself?

01:12:25.000 Yeah.

01:12:25.000 There's a brake.

01:12:26.000 Oh.

01:12:27.000 Yeah, it's on the left side.

01:12:28.000 Oh my god, that sounds amazing.

01:12:30.000 One thing about stabilizer muscles, though, I would think that they don't necessarily get the same work.

01:12:37.000 What if you did it with...

01:12:37.000 Do you remember those shoes that they got sued for?

01:12:40.000 Kim Kardashian was promoting them.

01:12:42.000 They're like real fat, smushy shoes.

01:12:45.000 And so they made you kind of stabilize while you were walking.

01:12:49.000 I would think that those actually would be good.

01:12:53.000 To wear on something like that, because it would be...

01:12:56.000 You know what a sand dune stepper is? 0.99

01:12:58.000 Yeah, they suck. 1.00

01:12:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:00.000 In a good way.

01:13:00.000 In a good way, yeah.

01:13:01.000 I got one out here.

01:13:02.000 Yeah, they'll burn out the...

01:13:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:04.000 They work different parts of your leg.

01:13:06.000 Yeah, right, because you try stabilizing, right.

01:13:08.000 And I would imagine, like, having a sand dune stepper type shoe on while you're going on that thing would be the ultimate...

01:13:17.000 Well, you're right, and people do not think about that, and that's one thing that guys that just run on pavement, flat ground, when you say a stabilizer muscle, whatever you want to call it, the left and right part of your shins, the first time you take a guy out that hasn't hiked side hills,

01:13:33.000 like 35-degree slopes with a 45-pound pack, Their calves are smoked and the left and right side of their shin bone is just toasted because they're not working those.

01:13:42.000 And that lateral stability, people don't understand.

01:13:45.000 I'm not a runner, so I don't like running, but I train with a pack on and I hike everywhere.

01:13:51.000 And so I do a lot of side hills just to get those muscles ready for that.

01:13:56.000 Because it's a different world, and it'll KO you.

01:13:59.000 I mean, you'll be down for a couple days because they're so sore and stiff if you never used them.

01:14:03.000 And that treadmill does not help with that.

01:14:05.000 But when I said like that, the sand stepper sucks, it's a good suck because it's a way indoors you can... 0.61

01:14:12.000 Yeah. 0.88

01:14:13.000 One of the ways I try to explain to people's stabilizer muscles is upside-down kettlebell press.

01:14:19.000 I was like, take a kettlebell...

01:14:21.000 They can press fairly easily, like a 35-pound kettlebell.

01:14:25.000 Most guys can press that overhead. 0.90

01:14:27.000 Now take it and flip it upside down so that the handle is on the bottom and the kettlebell is above, so you've got to balance that sucker out.

01:14:33.000 And as you're lifting it, it's way more difficult to do.

01:14:36.000 And that's using your stabilizer muscles.

01:14:40.000 Yep.

01:14:40.000 Another thing is those bamboo bars.

01:14:42.000 Have you ever used one of those?

01:14:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:44.000 We put all those in. 0.99

01:14:44.000 Well, some of that shit I copied from you, from my home gym. 0.99

01:14:48.000 That's another one. 1.00

01:14:49.000 You don't realize how much those kick the shit out of you until you get them. 0.99

01:14:52.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:14:52.000 They're pretty amazing. 0.98

01:14:53.000 It looks so easy, but when you put, when you got a bamboo bar, and I do it, I hang kettlebells with rubber bands.

01:15:00.000 So I have like heavy resistance bands that are hanging the kettlebells, so it's all bouncy.

01:15:05.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:15:05.000 And so as you're lifting that fucker, it's like... 0.98

01:15:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:15:10.000 But that, you know, really stabilizes everything, keeps everything tight.

01:15:13.000 It's funny how much you can torture yourself with very little.

01:15:17.000 I got that big rope.

01:15:20.000 And I just, my forearms, I got issues.

01:15:22.000 Well, I talked to you about a tendonitis or whatever.

01:15:24.000 So me doing the rope workout, it just, I wasn't doing it.

01:15:28.000 It was hurting my forearms.

01:15:29.000 And so I turned that into a rope drag.

01:15:31.000 I hooked one of my belts from Kofaru and hooked a harness to it, and I did that thing in half and wrapped it with gorilla tape, and I dragged it up and down my driveway. 0.99

01:15:39.000 Fuck me, that's horrible. 1.00

01:15:41.000 It's bad. 1.00

01:15:41.000 But when I say bad, when you've kind of committed your life to backpack hunting, there's only so many ways that you can get ready. 1.00

01:15:48.000 You know, you just got to beat the shit out of yourself. 0.96

01:15:50.000 To get ready, yeah. 0.99

01:15:51.000 To get ready.

01:15:52.000 So, like, people think I'm crazy.

01:15:53.000 We live at 10,000 feet.

01:15:54.000 My wife straps me off the highway, and then she goes home and cooks. 0.99

01:15:57.000 She goes with me a lot, too, but...

01:15:59.000 How far is the walk?

01:16:01.000 Anywhere from two to five miles, depending on where she drops me off.

01:16:04.000 And it's getting a couple thousand feet.

01:16:07.000 It's a climb. 0.99

01:16:07.000 It sucks. 0.99

01:16:09.000 But the best way, if you're not feeling like working out, is have your wife leave you in the middle of nowhere. 1.00

01:16:15.000 Because you're fucking getting home, right? 0.99

01:16:17.000 Necessity. 0.99

01:16:18.000 Yeah, necessity.

01:16:18.000 And so when people don't...

01:16:20.000 I try to put myself in a position to where I have to do something, if that makes sense.

01:16:26.000 Because there's days you just don't... 0.98

01:16:28.000 I feel like doing shit, I mean, right? 0.85

01:16:30.000 So I just make my wife drop me off, and I'll tell her, you know, I always say, earn my day. 1.00

01:16:35.000 I'm like, I gotta earn my day, you know, and I keep tracking my steps on my watch, and so she'll drop my ass to the bottom of that fucker with 50 pounds, and she'll laugh leaving. 1.00

01:16:42.000 I always tell people one of the best ways to make sure you do something is have a list. 0.99

01:16:46.000 Just have a list of what you gotta do today.

01:16:48.000 Just make sure you're doing it.

01:16:49.000 Just write it down.

01:16:50.000 It seems so crazy, but if you don't have a list, if you don't have it written down, what you absolutely have to do, Man, you're going to slack off.

01:16:57.000 You're going to find reasons why you should do less.

01:16:59.000 Especially if you do like what I do.

01:17:01.000 When I lift, I train myself for the most part.

01:17:04.000 Sometimes I work with trainers.

01:17:06.000 I work with a kickboxing trainer now.

01:17:07.000 But most of my weightlifting sessions I do by myself.

01:17:10.000 So I have to write out what I need to do. 0.99

01:17:13.000 And if I don't do that I mean, then I feel like a pussy. 0.99

01:17:17.000 But if I have it written down, like, today you're running two miles in the hills. 0.99

01:17:21.000 Today you're doing this.

01:17:22.000 Today you're doing that.

01:17:22.000 If I don't do that, you're not going to get it done.

01:17:25.000 If you could just give yourself a manageable goal to start with, Just real simple.

01:17:30.000 Make sure, like, for every day this week you're gonna do 40 push-ups, you're gonna do 50 sit-ups.

01:17:37.000 Just give yourself some kind of manageable goal.

01:17:39.000 Get a chin-up bar.

01:17:40.000 Do, you know, 20 chin-ups every day.

01:17:42.000 Just do that.

01:17:43.000 That's a manageable thing.

01:17:45.000 Like, you can do that in 30 minutes.

01:17:47.000 You can have all that done and you're good.

01:17:49.000 But if you force yourself to do that every day, Man, you're going to feel real results.

01:17:55.000 Real results. 1.00

01:17:56.000 Like at the end of the week, you're going to go, fuck, I did it. 1.00

01:17:59.000 And then ramp it up some more. 1.00

01:18:00.000 Ramp it up some more.

01:18:01.000 But it's all about writing it down.

01:18:03.000 Yeah, I got a whiteboard.

01:18:04.000 Yeah.

01:18:05.000 In fact, I wrote something on the whiteboard once and a bunch of people...

01:18:08.000 I think you and Jocko did a podcast because the one day I just wrote on there, just do something.

01:18:13.000 Yeah.

01:18:13.000 And I think you guys must have done a podcast and talked about that.

01:18:16.000 Because I... You know, people...

01:18:18.000 I mean, I know not everybody has a free schedule, but even when I work construction, you can make time.

01:18:24.000 Most people can make time.

01:18:26.000 Now, I don't sleep that much, which isn't a good thing, but...

01:18:29.000 How many hours did you get at night?

01:18:30.000 I recently got up to six, which is pretty good for me.

01:18:34.000 I was at four for a long time. 0.99

01:18:35.000 Damn. 0.99

01:18:36.000 Yeah, but if you heard my day... 1.00

01:18:39.000 Is it because you want to sleep four?

01:18:42.000 I mean, were you getting up early, or is it just you have insomnia?

01:18:45.000 I haven't.

01:18:46.000 I just don't sleep.

01:18:47.000 I go to sleep well.

01:18:48.000 I just don't sleep for that long. 1.00

01:18:49.000 When you wake up, is waking up with something bothering you in your head, or are you just, fuck, I'm awake? 0.99

01:18:54.000 I'm just like, fuck, I'm awake, and I got a lot to do. 0.99

01:18:57.000 But it's gotten better to where I've been tracking it on the watch. 0.98

01:19:02.000 I think you got a G-Shock there.

01:19:04.000 That's what I used to wear.

01:19:04.000 This is one of those ones that tracks my steps and calories and everything.

01:19:08.000 Is that a Garmin?

01:19:09.000 Yeah, it's a Fenix 6 Solar, I think.

01:19:13.000 Does that work on solar power?

01:19:14.000 It helps it.

01:19:15.000 Yeah, it helps with battery life.

01:19:16.000 So I did not like the original because they died pretty quickly.

01:19:21.000 You know, most of the batteries.

01:19:22.000 This one lasts almost three or four weeks.

01:19:24.000 Really?

01:19:25.000 And the way that I navigate off a UTM grid coordinate, I don't need to leave it on very long.

01:19:29.000 So it works.

01:19:31.000 I can use it for a long time.

01:19:32.000 So with navigation, how long will it last?

01:19:37.000 Man, if you left it on, I would think, man, three or four days maybe?

01:19:41.000 Really?

01:19:42.000 So in that three or four days, it's supplementing with solar?

01:19:46.000 Is that what it is?

01:19:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:47.000 Wow. 0.99

01:19:48.000 That's fucking amazing. 0.98

01:19:50.000 So the way that I navigate... 0.99

01:19:52.000 Which, actually, going back to the board, I can't agree with you more. 0.99

01:19:55.000 Like, I just write shit down. 0.97

01:19:56.000 And it may be three sets of 50 crunches, three sets of 50 push-ups. 0.99

01:20:01.000 Just make sure you do it.

01:20:02.000 Yeah, and then check them off the list, right?

01:20:04.000 And so, and those are the days when I say I don't want to do anything. 0.99

01:20:07.000 Those are the days when my ass is getting dropped off the bottom of the hill. 0.99

01:20:10.000 Because you fucking have to do something, then you're going to get home. 0.99

01:20:13.000 But with the way that I navigate, and I get people... 1.00

01:20:17.000 Crap about this all the time, right? 0.95

01:20:19.000 You got a watch and a Garmin inReach and a GPS. You got all kinds of shit to navigate and you don't know how to fucking use it. 1.00

01:20:24.000 That's like a big pet peeve of mine. 1.00

01:20:26.000 You got all this technology.

01:20:27.000 You hit the easy button on everything.

01:20:29.000 You never learned how to use it.

01:20:31.000 And so I'm like a real stickler on land nav, like learning how to navigate to a certain degree and not just using a GPS. And so what I do is I have an 8 or 10-digit UTM grid coordinate and a map.

01:20:45.000 What does that mean?

01:20:46.000 So the way the world was mapped, basically, and I'll try to explain as easy as I can.

01:20:51.000 From top to bottom, there's lines drawn around it, spaced.

01:20:55.000 And then there's horizontal lines drawn around it.

01:20:58.000 And each one of those is a square.

01:20:59.000 And as you break that down in squares, you end up with a thousand meter grid square.

01:21:05.000 This is like a very plain Jane way to explain it.

01:21:08.000 Inside of that grid square, when I turn this on, it tells me inside of that grid square how far I am from left to right and how far I am from bottom to top, so easting and northing.

01:21:20.000 And so inside that thousand meter grid square, my pinpoint location is a 10-digit grid coordinate within 3 meters of my location.

01:21:29.000 So anyway, once it gives me that, I can plot out and up to where I am inside that grid score on my map and gives me my exact location.

01:21:36.000 So what it means is if I'm all fucked up and have no idea where I'm on, I just turn on my watch and it tells me. 0.56

01:21:41.000 And then I plot it out on my map. 0.90

01:21:42.000 And then if I'm lost...

01:21:44.000 Okay, so it shows you on your watch and then you just look down at the map to save power.

01:21:50.000 But you actually know how to use a compass and navigate...

01:21:55.000 Actually use a map.

01:21:56.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:21:57.000 That's a lot of skill.

01:21:59.000 On a map, you'll have all these different grid squares.

01:22:02.000 Okay.

01:22:02.000 For people just listening, he's drawing stuff right now on paper.

01:22:06.000 So if this is a thousand meters over and a thousand meters up, a thousand meter box.

01:22:09.000 Okay.

01:22:10.000 So if I take a line and I'm 700 meters easting or to the right, so I go over 700 meters.

01:22:15.000 And then I'm 300 meters up.

01:22:17.000 I go up 300 meters where those intersect.

01:22:20.000 So then you know where you are.

01:22:21.000 Where I'm at.

01:22:22.000 And so what people don't understand, like if you talk about intersection and resection, if you're lost, so let's say, Jamie, you ever been in the woods very much?

01:22:33.000 Sure.

01:22:33.000 So you're out and you don't know where you're at.

01:22:35.000 But you know two known points.

01:22:37.000 So meaning you can see a mountain over here and here and you know what those are and you have a map.

01:22:42.000 From where you're at, you can shoot an azimuth to the top of this mountain.

01:22:46.000 What's an azimuth?

01:22:47.000 You take your compass and it's basically out of the 360 degrees.

01:22:53.000 It's the azimuth or the direction of that mountain from where you're at.

01:23:00.000 So you take that, and then you do a back azimuth, and you draw a line from the top of that mountain backwards.

01:23:08.000 So if it's over 180, you subtract.

01:23:10.000 If it's under 180, you add.

01:23:12.000 So you look at it and say, okay, that's northeast, and so then you look behind yourself, and you go that southwest?

01:23:19.000 Nope, nope.

01:23:19.000 So if I'm lost, but I don't know where I'm at.

01:23:22.000 But I know this mountain, and I know this one.

01:23:24.000 And I shoot this azimuth with my compass, and I know...

01:23:28.000 So right now...

01:23:31.000 This is 90 degrees, so that's about 45 degrees.

01:23:34.000 So that is under 180, so I add to it.

01:23:38.000 And so 180 plus 45 is what, 225. So now I go to, on my map, the top of this mountain, and I do an azimuth, and that azimuth is going to be 225. The top mountain is going to cross my exact location.

01:23:54.000 Are you writing this stuff on the map, or are you just looking at it?

01:23:57.000 I'll write it on a map, and I go to this map, and I do the exact same thing, and where those two lines crisp across is my exact location.

01:24:04.000 When you draw on your map, do you use a marker?

01:24:06.000 Do you use a highlighter?

01:24:07.000 How do you do it?

01:24:08.000 I have an erasable pen I keep with me.

01:24:10.000 It's just a little like a Sharpie erasable pen, and I have a protractor.

01:24:16.000 Just because this is a course that takes weeks to actually learn how to do it.

01:24:20.000 Is this from the military, these skills?

01:24:21.000 I learned this originally when I was on that trail crew team, and then I learned more and more and more when I was in the military.

01:24:27.000 I went to some land nav schools, and what they do is they drop you off and they give you...

01:24:32.000 They give you two 10-digit or 8-digit grids.

01:24:34.000 One's where you're at and one's where you're going.

01:24:36.000 And then you have to plot from... 0.99

01:24:37.000 I'm going to lose you here in a minute and you're like, this is boring as fuck because it is. 0.96

01:24:41.000 But you're going to have to... 0.81

01:24:42.000 You have to convert it from basically...

01:24:46.000 There's different norths from where you're at.

01:24:48.000 There's a grid north and a magnetic north. 0.92

01:24:51.000 Before we get really fucking boring here... 0.58

01:24:53.000 Once you learn how to do that, you're never lost.

01:24:56.000 You can train associate.

01:24:58.000 And so I'm a real stickler on using all of those things.

01:25:01.000 So I've taught my wife how to do it.

01:25:03.000 It's not that difficult once you get going.

01:25:07.000 So this is something you learned when you were really young, when you were cutting trees?

01:25:11.000 Yeah, 14. So you learned it then, and then you learned more.

01:25:15.000 Have you been formally trained in this stuff?

01:25:17.000 Well, in the military I was formally trained, and I went to a class, but I was so young I can barely remember when I was working for the Forest Service.

01:25:25.000 And then now I teach courses for this because...

01:25:30.000 The ability to get where you're going is kind of lost now because you just turn on a GPS or you use Base Map or Onyx or whatever.

01:25:40.000 Right.

01:25:41.000 But the reality is navigating if you're in a hurry.

01:25:44.000 So if you and I were in the woods and we needed to get to a basin before dark, you're going to have handrails and catching features.

01:25:53.000 If you can look at that map and see it in a three-dimensional way, and I can grab my compass and say, hey, if we head northeast, you know, the whole way half-ass, we're going to hit this creek, and that creek's going to intersect with a trail.

01:26:04.000 I don't have to use my compass anymore, really.

01:26:06.000 I'm going to shoot an azimuth, and I'm going to look at the farthest point I can see to where we need to go that I'm going to be able to see the whole way.

01:26:12.000 And that compass is going to go in my pocket. 0.99

01:26:14.000 We're going to haul ass. 0.97

01:26:15.000 Eventually, we're going to get hit a creek. 0.97

01:26:18.000 Generally, where that creek's at, let's say a trail crosses it, there's a handrail and a catching feature there. 1.00

01:26:24.000 Anyway, this is boring shit. 0.99

01:26:25.000 I can get there quick. 0.99

01:26:26.000 What's interesting is very few people know how to do this, and this is a critical skill if you do get lost, and a lot of fucking people get lost in the woods.

01:26:34.000 One of the things that you were talking about in your podcast once that I never really took into consideration was the fact that a lot of binocular holders' harnesses have magnets on them.

01:26:43.000 A lot of people love those.

01:26:44.000 I've got one of those, one of those marsupials.

01:26:47.000 It's nice. 1.00

01:26:48.000 But those can fuck with your compass. 0.99

01:26:50.000 Yeah, you definitely have to hold it out. 1.00

01:26:51.000 He was giving me shit because we partnered up with him because he said, my sales went down from you dickheads. 0.99

01:26:55.000 And I was like, dude, it's got to be said, right? 1.00

01:26:58.000 Yeah, it's got to be said.

01:26:59.000 Otherwise, people are going to die.

01:27:01.000 Well, it's funny because I have a compass with me all the time.

01:27:05.000 Do you really? 0.93

01:27:05.000 Yeah, it's fucking weird, I know. 0.93

01:27:07.000 When I had a G-Shock, I had a compass beside it, a little Suunto. 0.99

01:27:13.000 The thing is, when I was hunting Al-Dad in Texas, I don't know where the fuck I'm at, right? 0.97

01:27:18.000 You know, it's Texas, right? 0.96

01:27:20.000 And we're on these huge...

01:27:21.000 It's North Texas, so it's like big plateaus and that...

01:27:24.000 Did you see that Palo Duro Canyon where we were at?

01:27:27.000 It's like the Grand Canyon. 1.00

01:27:28.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.94

01:27:29.000 So, you know, where we are, you know, these guys have lived there their entire lives, and they're like, oh, it's northeast of where you're at. 0.99

01:27:36.000 I guarantee they know where they've farmed it their whole lives, where I'm like, fuck, the fucking sun's not up, the clouds are out, which way's northeast? 0.87

01:27:43.000 Well, oh, there's northeast, so I just have always, you know, always have a compass with me. 0.99

01:27:48.000 But...

01:27:49.000 Being lost when you're young and almost dying, that'll help you probably want to learn too. 0.98

01:27:53.000 Because when I was super young, we were in cotton and shit and snowing and rain in Oregon. 0.98

01:27:58.000 You got lost? 1.00

01:27:59.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:27:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:00.000 I almost died twice.

01:28:01.000 Really?

01:28:01.000 How old were you?

01:28:01.000 Got stuck out overnight.

01:28:02.000 Eleven the first time?

01:28:04.000 Jesus Christ.

01:28:04.000 You were by yourself?

01:28:06.000 Well, now, I don't want to make this sound way worse than it was. 0.99

01:28:08.000 I was a dipshit and I was with my dad. 0.98

01:28:10.000 He was probably drinking with his buddies. 1.00

01:28:11.000 And I went after a deer and got all fucked up. 0.99

01:28:17.000 I can't even imagine Oh, man. 0.99

01:28:23.000 My poor mom, right? 0.99

01:28:25.000 Dealing with the shit she had to deal with with me because I was backpacking when I was super young, right? 0.99

01:28:30.000 Like backpacking all over the place. 0.99

01:28:31.000 And I've always liked to do it.

01:28:34.000 So you can imagine, you know, nowadays, like if my daughter at 15 said, hey, I'm gonna go on a four day backpacking trip into the wilderness.

01:28:40.000 What? 1.00

01:28:40.000 Well, fuck me. 1.00

01:28:41.000 Can I go? 1.00

01:28:42.000 Right?

01:28:43.000 Where with my mom had to deal with a lot of that as a kid.

01:28:45.000 I was always super adventurous. 0.95

01:28:47.000 I just think that that feeling of not knowing if you're going to survive and then surviving, I don't want my kids to have that, but goddamn, that's invaluable. 0.90

01:28:58.000 We talk about it all the time. 0.81

01:29:00.000 That's one of the reasons I have so much respect for a guy like Frank or Jake.

01:29:06.000 They have no fear of anything.

01:29:08.000 When you get to the point where there's no mountain, truly, no mountain too high, no valley too whatever.

01:29:14.000 The saying is, there's nothing that stops you.

01:29:17.000 You will get out.

01:29:18.000 And most people lack that.

01:29:19.000 Meaning, if you've backpacked in, whatever, six miles.

01:29:22.000 And as long as you can get the animal out, especially mule deer, you can pack it out.

01:29:26.000 And you see a mule deer two and a half, three more miles in, and you have no...

01:29:32.000 You're like, oh yeah, it's like going to 7-Eleven.

01:29:34.000 We're going, right?

01:29:34.000 There's not...

01:29:35.000 And this is normal for any backpack.

01:29:37.000 Cam would say the same thing.

01:29:39.000 There's nothing we can't get to.

01:29:41.000 There's nothing we worry about.

01:29:42.000 We have enough gear.

01:29:43.000 It's a cool feeling.

01:29:44.000 I mean, I don't think about it anymore, but it's definitely helped put some animals on the ground.

01:29:49.000 Well, it's also there's a mindset that the hardcore backpack hunter has that...

01:29:56.000 They look forward to those challenges and overcoming those challenges.

01:30:00.000 And then when those things happen, it's something that you have prepared for.

01:30:05.000 So it's actually almost like a positive experience.

01:30:09.000 And then you get out and you tell people, how far in were you?

01:30:11.000 Nine miles?

01:30:13.000 Wow.

01:30:13.000 Pack it on one trip?

01:30:15.000 Oh, it was a big fucker. 0.99

01:30:16.000 We had to take it twice. 0.99

01:30:18.000 I mean, I know a lot of guys have ruined their body doing that, too, though.

01:30:21.000 I know quite a few guys that have...

01:30:24.000 Sustained injuries with a heavy pack.

01:30:26.000 I have crazy stories.

01:30:29.000 One of our buddies, it was he and I, and he killed an elk, and we were seven and a half miles in, and Anyway, you got it on the ground.

01:30:37.000 Well, he's a younger guy.

01:30:40.000 Anyway, we split it in half.

01:30:42.000 And it was downhill the whole way.

01:30:44.000 And I know I can pack you for infinite amount of time downhill. 1.00

01:30:48.000 So I'm like, ah, fuck it. 1.00

01:30:49.000 It's downhill. 1.00

01:30:49.000 I didn't want to come back. 1.00

01:30:51.000 So we're having our little hobnob meeting that next morning.

01:30:53.000 We're getting ready to go out.

01:30:55.000 And that night I ate everything I possibly could, like drank water all night.

01:30:59.000 I picked up the pack, and I'm like, I think we can make it. 1.00

01:31:03.000 Fuck it. 0.99

01:31:03.000 If we can't, we'll just leave some of it on the trail and come back up. 0.99

01:31:06.000 So we got 178 pounds legit.

01:31:08.000 We weighed it in a truck.

01:31:09.000 Oh, my God.

01:31:10.000 And he had 184. Oh, my God.

01:31:12.000 So on the way down, these aren't bullshit. 1.00

01:31:15.000 This fucking probably took 10 years off my life. 0.99

01:31:17.000 So we go on the way down, and I took his bow, and he took my walking sticks, and we're bushwhacking for the first two to the trail. 0.99

01:31:24.000 And Frank and I went and reenacted this because I'm like, dude, I gotta go see how bad this was because I was in fucking spirit world like half the time. 0.92

01:31:31.000 It was bad.

01:31:32.000 And so Frank and I, we did it and we marked it out and it was actually plus or minus right in that seven mile range.

01:31:39.000 So we get to the trail.

01:31:40.000 I'm like, look, dude, I'm not leaving you behind. 0.99

01:31:43.000 I'm fucking leaving you behind. 0.99

01:31:44.000 I can't go this slow. 0.99

01:31:45.000 I'm like, I'll get to the truck.

01:31:46.000 I'll turn around and come back and grab you. 0.98

01:31:48.000 Because I was fucking hurting bad. 0.98

01:31:50.000 And I called my buddy. 0.90

01:31:53.000 You've probably seen him on there.

01:31:55.000 Actually, I can't say his name.

01:31:56.000 He's an SF dude.

01:31:57.000 I call him.

01:31:58.000 I'm like, dude, I need a pickup.

01:32:01.000 I need you to come help us out. 1.00

01:32:02.000 And he's a hardcore motherfucker. 0.99

01:32:04.000 He's like, yeah, I'll be up. 1.00

01:32:05.000 Let me talk to my wife. 1.00

01:32:06.000 I'll be up there.

01:32:07.000 So I pass him on the way out on the trail.

01:32:09.000 And I've got, I thought, like a half mile to go.

01:32:12.000 Because I could hear the highway.

01:32:14.000 And he's like, dude, you got like a mile and a half. 0.99

01:32:15.000 I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? 0.94

01:32:17.000 He's like, can you make it? 0.99

01:32:18.000 I'm like, oh, I'm fucking making it. 0.98

01:32:19.000 Like, it's mind games now. 0.98

01:32:21.000 Like, I'm not letting this beat me.

01:32:22.000 And I'm like, but you got to go in and get my buddy. 1.00

01:32:25.000 He's fucked up. 0.99

01:32:25.000 So I get to the trailhead. 0.99

01:32:27.000 I get the pack off.

01:32:28.000 I'm laying in my underwear under the truck.

01:32:30.000 And if I had an IV, I would have gave myself one.

01:32:32.000 There's hikers.

01:32:33.000 It was awkward, right?

01:32:34.000 There's hikers. 1.00

01:32:34.000 But I was like, fuck it. 1.00

01:32:35.000 I'm done. 1.00

01:32:36.000 So I'm just trying to get...

01:32:37.000 Under the truck was in the shade and the wind was blowing.

01:32:40.000 So I'm laying there literally just sprawled out four points of the compass trying to cool off because I was worried about getting heat stroke.

01:32:45.000 I get hydrated and thank God...

01:32:48.000 You know, my buddy went and helped my other buddy. 0.99

01:32:50.000 Anyway, he gets back and he's like, dude, he was fucked up. 0.99

01:32:53.000 And I'm like, how bad? 0.98

01:32:54.000 He was like when I got there.

01:32:55.000 Now, keep in mind, my buddy did not know he had help coming.

01:32:59.000 So he's on his hands and knees on the wrong side of the trail looking for water and the creek's on the other side of the trail and you can hear it.

01:33:06.000 Oh my God.

01:33:07.000 And again, I'm not trying to blow this out of proportion.

01:33:09.000 It just happens, right?

01:33:10.000 You start talking about cognitive skills, dehydration, everything.

01:33:13.000 So my buddy's like, hey, dude, what's four plus four?

01:33:17.000 Like, he's checking him.

01:33:18.000 He's a medic.

01:33:19.000 He's an 18-dell. 0.99

01:33:20.000 He's a medic. 1.00

01:33:20.000 And he was fucked up. 1.00

01:33:23.000 He hadn't eaten anything. 1.00

01:33:24.000 He hadn't drank water.

01:33:25.000 His brain wasn't working right. 0.98

01:33:26.000 And so that's just one example of how fucked up you can get from, you know, you got to be careful. 0.99

01:33:31.000 Like, you can do damage to your body. 0.97

01:33:33.000 How long did that hike out take?

01:33:34.000 I did about a mile an hour coming out.

01:33:37.000 Wow, so seven-ish?

01:33:39.000 About.

01:33:40.000 Yeah, I was bad. 1.00

01:33:42.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:33:44.000 That's so long. 1.00

01:33:47.000 Man, when I was with Pinch, he's the sniper guy.

01:33:50.000 He shot his goat at—he was one of those dudes who wanted to shoot it at 40 and in with a bow or 1,000 and out with a gun.

01:33:57.000 I can't remember the exact yardage, but it was over 1,000 yards.

01:34:00.000 So he shoots this thing across this glacier.

01:34:02.000 It took us six hours to go 1,100 or 1,400 yards straight line distance. 0.97

01:34:08.000 To a point where I'm like, we're going to fucking die getting down to this thing. 0.88

01:34:11.000 Like, at one point in time, I slid down. 1.00

01:34:13.000 Of course, I'm a dick. 1.00

01:34:14.000 My knees slam into my face. 0.99

01:34:15.000 And I'm like, we're all good.

01:34:16.000 Come on down. 0.94

01:34:17.000 I don't want to be the only one in pain, right?

01:34:18.000 Here comes everybody else sliding down.

01:34:20.000 And Pinch is like, are we going to get out of this? 0.98

01:34:23.000 I'm like, well, we don't have a fucking choice now. 0.96

01:34:25.000 We slid down it. 0.98

01:34:26.000 We got to get back up, right?

01:34:27.000 And so we didn't get back until 2 o'clock in the morning.

01:34:30.000 We were still four miles in.

01:34:31.000 So when people...

01:34:33.000 Like the idea of backpacking hunting?

01:34:36.000 That's what they're liking is the idea of it. 0.90

01:34:38.000 Can you glamorize the shit out of it? 0.99

01:34:40.000 It's fucking painful. 1.00

01:34:42.000 He's not a normal human. 1.00

01:34:43.000 You can't go by his standards, his ideas.

01:34:46.000 They say that sheep hunting is the hardest.

01:34:49.000 They say that Alaska sheep hunting in terms of just the difficulty of the terrain and the dangers of it.

01:35:00.000 Yeah.

01:35:02.000 Somewhat.

01:35:03.000 Yeah, I would say.

01:35:03.000 I've only been on a couple sheep hunts in Alaska, right?

01:35:06.000 Most of mine have been in lower 48 or the NWT, Northwest Territories.

01:35:11.000 The thing with Alaska that's easy is you're not getting that much altitude.

01:35:16.000 Distance is far.

01:35:17.000 But the weather is bad.

01:35:20.000 Like, generally, the weather's pretty bad.

01:35:21.000 And then the amount of pressure now—and again, I'm not an expert on Alaska— The pressure is much worse than it's ever been in Alaska.

01:35:28.000 In terms of the amount of hunters.

01:35:29.000 Hunters, yeah.

01:35:30.000 Yeah, a lot of hunters out there.

01:35:31.000 And then animals. 0.99

01:35:33.000 Grizzlies and shit. 0.99

01:35:35.000 Yeah, which is a fucking real... 1.00

01:35:36.000 You've seen us get charged on video. 0.97

01:35:38.000 Yes.

01:35:39.000 When you were at the Gritty Bowman, that was terrifying.

01:35:42.000 Yeah.

01:35:43.000 That was crazy.

01:35:45.000 Tell that story.

01:35:45.000 I'm an adrenaline junkie.

01:35:47.000 I'll tell a true story.

01:35:48.000 Okay.

01:35:50.000 I thought we were calling it moose, and I'm looking, and I'm like, I think there's a moose coming, and a grizzly pops out.

01:35:56.000 I'm like, hey, get your camera.

01:35:58.000 Let's call this thing in.

01:36:00.000 This is a true story, right?

01:36:01.000 Because we made it sound like it was, oh, here comes a grizzly. 0.99

01:36:04.000 So I thought it was going to get to that fucking stump and stop, right? 0.98

01:36:07.000 You called the grizzly in on purpose? 0.99

01:36:09.000 It was coming into a moose call, right?

01:36:10.000 Oh, no.

01:36:11.000 I'm like, hey, grab the cameras.

01:36:13.000 Let's get this on video.

01:36:14.000 Because he was looking for our moose calls. 1.00

01:36:16.000 So this big bitch gets by that log, and she stands up. 1.00

01:36:19.000 She's looking around. 1.00

01:36:20.000 And I'm like, oh, cool.

01:36:21.000 You can hear my shutter on the video. 0.99

01:36:23.000 Fuck, it hit the ground and it was coming. 0.99

01:36:25.000 And I'm like, oh. 1.00

01:36:26.000 Well, and immediately, me, I've been charged enough to where I'm an adrenaline junkie.

01:36:30.000 Anyway, I'm desensitized. 0.99

01:36:31.000 And I'm like, well, he's going to eat fucking this other dude anyway. 0.99

01:36:33.000 So I'm like, you can see my camera's shifting right a little as I'm taking these photos. 0.99

01:36:38.000 I didn't have a weapon, I had a bow. 1.00

01:36:40.000 And so here pretty quick, I'm thinking, shoot this motherfucker. 1.00

01:36:44.000 It's like 15 yards from us. 1.00

01:36:46.000 Oh my God.

01:36:47.000 And he fired off a round at its feet.

01:36:48.000 And I knew his gun jammed on the second round sometimes. 1.00

01:36:52.000 So I'm like, That fucking piece of shit, Brownie A-bolt, doesn't jam on this second one or whatever it was, right? 1.00

01:36:59.000 Not saying a Browning's bad. 1.00

01:37:00.000 Well, it stopped, do you remember?

01:37:02.000 And it came again.

01:37:03.000 I think it was like 12, 10 yards when it finally turned off and ran away.

01:37:08.000 10 yards is nothing.

01:37:09.000 Well, I tell you, like...

01:37:11.000 That's almost like that wall.

01:37:14.000 Yeah, it was big, too.

01:37:15.000 It's a big one.

01:37:16.000 Was that in BC? Yeah, it was in BC. In reality, though, you talk to, like, bring up Lancaster, who I went with when I stayed in the NWT for that two-month time frame.

01:37:28.000 Those guys live up there.

01:37:29.000 I bet if you asked a Bart or a Clay Lancaster how many times they've been bluff-charged...

01:37:36.000 It's like triple digits. 0.99

01:37:38.000 Just hunting with those guys, the shit that they've done... 1.00

01:37:41.000 Triple digits? 1.00

01:37:42.000 Meaning a hundred times?

01:37:44.000 At a minimum.

01:37:45.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:37:46.000 So the shit those guys deal with, they've been doing it since birth, right? 1.00

01:37:51.000 And so I was telling Amy and Frank, I was like, okay, you guys know how much I've done and all the different things, you know, hunted and how many animals I've put on the ground. 1.00

01:38:00.000 It's a fraction.

01:38:02.000 Clay Lancaster's been on 320 sheep hunts.

01:38:06.000 320. That's a lot.

01:38:07.000 That's not including caribou, moose.

01:38:10.000 He's been all over the world.

01:38:11.000 So the amount of experience those guys have and the stories, like when I get those guys on the podcast, it's hilarious because I just got to experience a two and a half month section of it.

01:38:22.000 We were literally, from a light bulb, from a paved road, hours from any electricity.

01:38:28.000 Like, it's a 12-hour drive to where the helicopter picks you up, and then you're flown in another two hours.

01:38:34.000 So when I got bit by that bite, it was funny, by that spider, it was funny at first.

01:38:39.000 What are you talking about?

01:38:42.000 I got bit by a spider up there. 0.97

01:38:44.000 And I'm like, hey, Clay, my leg's fucked up. 0.90

01:38:47.000 I think I got bit by something. 0.90

01:38:48.000 He's like, ah, there's nothing poisonous up here.

01:38:50.000 Well, my leg's swelled up.

01:38:54.000 We're drawing circles around it.

01:38:56.000 Well, the first couple circles, right, wasn't that big of a deal.

01:38:59.000 So Clay cuts it open.

01:39:02.000 Listen to the podcast.

01:39:02.000 He's hilarious because he squeezed that thing and I acted like it didn't hurt.

01:39:05.000 I thought I was going to pass out from fucking shock. 0.98

01:39:08.000 Squeeze the pus out? 1.00

01:39:09.000 Yeah.

01:39:10.000 I don't know that it helped but it gave him pleasure.

01:39:13.000 What kind of spider was it?

01:39:14.000 Man, you gotta listen to the podcast to hear the whole story, but we ended up calling it the long cock black hobo spider, and there's a story beside that, but I think it was a hobo spider.

01:39:22.000 Those are dangerous.

01:39:24.000 Yeah, but I don't think they're overly poisonous. 0.99

01:39:26.000 I think I was allergic to it, but the moral of the story, in six hours, my leg locked up straight, there was veins going up towards my heart, and I had cold sweats, heart rate was racing, and Clay's like, dude, we gotta get you out of here, you're gonna fucking die. 0.63

01:39:39.000 Like, we are a long, long, long ways from anywhere. 0.67

01:39:43.000 How far? 1.00

01:39:45.000 Four hour helicopter ride, but then you're dealing with some fucked up doctor in the northern part of fucking Whitehorse, you know, or whatever the fuck it was. 0.99

01:39:53.000 It wouldn't have been good. 0.99

01:39:54.000 So I called my buddy, who's a medic, and I was like, dude, what should we do? 1.00

01:40:00.000 And he's like, alright, piss on it, bleach, ibuprofen, fucking get some shit. 0.99

01:40:05.000 Yeah, because I guess, like, bleach cleans everything out. 0.99

01:40:09.000 Like, he's giving me, I can't remember all this stuff.

01:40:10.000 So Trump was right?

01:40:11.000 I don't know.

01:40:12.000 What's wrong?

01:40:14.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:40:15.000 But I was like, holy shit. 0.99

01:40:17.000 I was like, okay, so we're pouring pee on it. 0.99

01:40:19.000 We're crushing up ibuprofen.

01:40:21.000 Do you pour pee on it?

01:40:23.000 Do you let your buddy pee on it?

01:40:24.000 So here's the thing.

01:40:25.000 One of my buddies must have had a Big Johnson because he was ready to pee on it right there. 1.00

01:40:30.000 And I'm like, dude, pee in a fucking bottle. 1.00

01:40:31.000 I don't want to see your wiener while you're peeing on my leg. 1.00

01:40:34.000 You wouldn't want it right off the tap? 0.99

01:40:36.000 Somehow or another it's better if he pees in a bottle and then pours it on you?

01:40:39.000 It would have been awkward.

01:40:40.000 And think of the stories that would have been told after.

01:40:42.000 Yeah, but it would be funny stories.

01:40:44.000 Well, either way, we were pouring pee on my leg.

01:40:46.000 But it was a matter of survival.

01:40:48.000 Isn't that funny?

01:40:49.000 That you'd rather have a guy pee in a bottle and then pour that pee on you than pee on you. 0.97

01:40:56.000 I guess looking at it that way, yeah. 0.87

01:40:57.000 It's weird.

01:40:58.000 I get it.

01:40:59.000 I'm right there with you.

01:41:00.000 I understand your thought process. 0.98

01:41:02.000 I think I'd let the guy piss on me, though.

01:41:04.000 At the time, I was, like, not overly worried.

01:41:08.000 And then when my leg locked up...

01:41:10.000 So it was...

01:41:11.000 If you measured my leg, it gained two and a quarter in circumference, inches.

01:41:16.000 That's how much my leg swelled up.

01:41:17.000 Oh, wow.

01:41:18.000 That's a lot.

01:41:19.000 Yeah, it was...

01:41:20.000 I mean, I'm laughing about it now.

01:41:21.000 But what was funny is once it went back down, we just duct taped towels around my calf muscle to go on moose hunts because it was so fucking painful when the infection was going down because the willows were beating it up.

01:41:30.000 And I'm like...

01:41:32.000 I really want to see some of these 70-inch wide moose.

01:41:34.000 Let's just take...

01:41:35.000 So we tape towels around my calf.

01:41:37.000 So you never made it out of there?

01:41:38.000 No.

01:41:39.000 So you just dealt with it while you were in the woods?

01:41:41.000 Yeah, it went away in like 24 hours.

01:41:44.000 Oh, okay.

01:41:44.000 Yeah, it wasn't that...

01:41:45.000 It wasn't...

01:41:45.000 But you didn't think it was going to.

01:41:47.000 You thought you were going to die.

01:41:49.000 Eh, I don't want to make it sound worse than it was.

01:41:51.000 It got a little nerve-wracking there towards the end. 0.99

01:41:53.000 My fucking heart started racing like... 0.99

01:41:55.000 And I'm like, yeah, that's not good. 0.99

01:41:57.000 When do you have an infection? 0.99

01:41:58.000 Infections are fucking dangerous, man. 0.99

01:42:00.000 Well, I had veins going up my leg. 0.99

01:42:02.000 Like you could see the veins, is that what you're saying?

01:42:04.000 That's what Clay was talking about.

01:42:06.000 Because of course you have veins going up your leg.

01:42:08.000 That's how you get blood.

01:42:09.000 Yeah, and it showed them a lot.

01:42:11.000 So they were blue or something?

01:42:13.000 It looked like an Etch-A-Sketch going up my leg.

01:42:15.000 Dark?

01:42:16.000 Yeah, yeah, dark.

01:42:17.000 So you were worried that the infection was making its way to your heart? 1.00

01:42:20.000 Well, from what limited knowledge I had was that is a pretty much sure thing you're going to fucking die. 0.98

01:42:26.000 Do you carry any antibiotics with you or anything when you go into a hunt like that? 0.99

01:42:31.000 I do when I go to Canada now because of their weird government.

01:42:35.000 I shouldn't even say this.

01:42:37.000 I have friends that will prescribe them to me to take with me. 0.96

01:42:40.000 Now, last in 18, I don't even remember my hands looked like Deadpool's face from that milkweed or some shit. 1.00

01:42:51.000 Shit that happens in the backcountry. 0.99

01:42:53.000 What happened? 1.00

01:42:54.000 So, I'm on that mule deer hunt.

01:42:57.000 And my hands are swelling up.

01:42:58.000 And I don't know why.

01:42:59.000 And they look like Deadpool's face.

01:43:01.000 And I'm like, what the hell is wrong with my hands?

01:43:04.000 I'm looking around like, what could be around me?

01:43:06.000 It's not poison ivy.

01:43:08.000 And my hands are swelling up like...

01:43:10.000 Remember that movie, Big Trouble in Little China?

01:43:13.000 Yeah.

01:43:14.000 The Asian dude's hands swell up. 1.00

01:43:15.000 Yeah.

01:43:15.000 Yeah, it looked like that.

01:43:17.000 Well, as it turns out, it's hogweed or milkweed.

01:43:21.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:43:21.000 Some fucking plant. 1.00

01:43:23.000 That does that. 1.00

01:43:24.000 And if you Google it and you pull it up, it's fucking nasty. 0.96

01:43:28.000 But if you want to Google hogweed, on certain humans, it has this crazy rash inflammation. 0.94

01:43:36.000 So my hands, it's affected by sunlight.

01:43:39.000 It's worse.

01:43:40.000 So I'm at 13,000 feet and I'm on the spotter with my hands...

01:43:44.000 In the sun all day to a point like...

01:43:47.000 And at 13,000 feet, the sun is way stronger. 1.00

01:43:50.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99

01:43:50.000 You get really burnt up there. 0.99

01:43:52.000 Use a solar charger. 0.98

01:43:53.000 It charges up your shit twice as fast because you're that close to the sun. 0.99

01:43:56.000 Is that really what it's from or is it just a lack of... 0.99

01:43:59.000 Oh my God.

01:43:59.000 Look at that giant hogweed.

01:44:01.000 Look at the hands.

01:44:03.000 It wasn't good, let me tell you.

01:44:04.000 So my hands look like those ones in the middle.

01:44:06.000 Blow that picture up in the right-hand corner.

01:44:08.000 That is crazy.

01:44:10.000 The one that you see, the large picture.

01:44:12.000 Yeah, look at that. 1.00

01:44:13.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:44:15.000 That's from Hogweed? 1.00

01:44:16.000 So go to the left.

01:44:19.000 The one in the middle there.

01:44:20.000 That's what my hands look like.

01:44:21.000 No, the one in the middle.

01:44:23.000 The left.

01:44:24.000 That one.

01:44:25.000 They look like that.

01:44:26.000 So Frank comes over and he's like, dude, what the hell is wrong with your hand?

01:44:30.000 I'm like, you know, that's a good question.

01:44:32.000 So we come out.

01:44:35.000 Dude, it was bad.

01:44:36.000 That's so nasty.

01:44:37.000 And I go to the doctor, right?

01:44:38.000 And I'm like...

01:44:39.000 You know, I go to the emergency room, and I'm like, hey, I... What does that hogweed look like, just so I know?

01:44:45.000 Some people have gotten third-degree burns from it.

01:44:48.000 Whoa.

01:44:49.000 It's not good.

01:44:50.000 Can we see an image?

01:44:51.000 Yeah, it's just like a little plant.

01:44:53.000 That's it?

01:44:53.000 That stuff?

01:44:54.000 That's beautiful. 1.00

01:44:54.000 Yeah, and I was low-crawling through that shit to go to a mutant. 1.00

01:44:57.000 Giant hogweed and its toxic cousins. 1.00

01:45:01.000 Wow, that's crazy.

01:45:03.000 But those are the things you just don't think about, right? 0.98

01:45:05.000 So I went and they gave me, I don't know, all kinds of steroid cream and shit and it went away in a day or two and we piked back in. 0.89

01:45:11.000 It just looks like a flower. 0.92

01:45:12.000 I would have never imagined.

01:45:13.000 I wouldn't even.

01:45:14.000 So this is just, how did it get on both your hands?

01:45:16.000 Your hands just rubbed up against it?

01:45:18.000 Well, you figure there's big fields of it and I've got my bow hanging and I'm low crawling and just like it would any weed.

01:45:25.000 So to mitigate that, what do you do?

01:45:27.000 Do you wear gloves?

01:45:28.000 Is there something you can put on your hands?

01:45:30.000 I don't know, I just... 1.00

01:45:31.000 Look how fucking tall that shit is! 0.99

01:45:33.000 Yeah, I just kept my hands out of the weeds the next year. 1.00

01:45:35.000 Oh my god.

01:45:36.000 Toxic giant hogweed plants show up in Duncan, Lake...

01:45:40.000 I don't know, you just made it too big.

01:45:42.000 Lake Cowichan Gazette?

01:45:45.000 Yeah.

01:45:45.000 Where's that, Duncan?

01:45:46.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:45:47.000 Look at the size of that, it's like fucking nine feet tall. 0.97

01:45:49.000 It wasn't that tall where I was at, it was three foot tall, right about even with your hands. 0.99

01:45:53.000 Oh, perfect.

01:45:53.000 Yeah.

01:45:54.000 So, just that weed has like some sort of an oil or something like that?

01:45:58.000 That's what they said, the doctors...

01:45:59.000 Like a poison ivy type deal?

01:46:00.000 Yeah.

01:46:01.000 Well, it's funny because when I went, they had no idea.

01:46:03.000 I'm like, hey, my buddy from Alaska messaged me and he said, dude, I think that's hogweed.

01:46:08.000 I'm like, what?

01:46:08.000 I had the same reaction you did.

01:46:10.000 What the fuck is hogweed? 0.99

01:46:11.000 Googled it, drove across the road, Kaiser's, whatever, emergency room, things like right across the road from Kafaru. 0.99

01:46:17.000 I drove over there and I'm like, hey, you know, I'm all screwed up.

01:46:20.000 And they're like, what is, you know, they don't know what it is.

01:46:22.000 And I'm like, hey, this is what I think it is.

01:46:25.000 They Googled it just like we did.

01:46:26.000 And they were like, oh, well.

01:46:28.000 That makes sense because they didn't know.

01:46:29.000 And then they gave me like this steroid cream to put on it and I don't know, went away in a couple days.

01:46:34.000 Jesus Christ.

01:46:35.000 So between that and the bite, what was worse?

01:46:39.000 Oh, the bite.

01:46:40.000 The bite was that much worse.

01:46:41.000 I could have kept hunting with that.

01:46:43.000 I just not knowing what it was.

01:46:45.000 Well, we've been in there 12 days.

01:46:46.000 I'm like, ah, it's about time to come out anyway.

01:46:48.000 So we came out.

01:46:49.000 What was crazy, we came out.

01:46:51.000 A couple days, we go back in, and Frank's already got his deer.

01:46:56.000 We go back in, and Frank, I thought his appendix burst.

01:47:00.000 As it turns out, he just ate too much sushi, and it got clogged up in his stomach.

01:47:03.000 But Frank is harder than woodpecker lips.

01:47:05.000 We get on these two deer we're trying to get, and he's not getting out of the tent.

01:47:10.000 So Frank is not like that.

01:47:12.000 I hear him go, sir, I'm going to stay in a tent this morning.

01:47:16.000 And I'm like, dude... 0.99

01:47:18.000 Now, keep in mind, Frank got pulmonary edema, and that dumb shit hiked out with pulmonary edema. 0.99

01:47:25.000 He literally, his lungs filled up with liquid. 0.99

01:47:28.000 And that's an altitude sickness, right? 0.99

01:47:30.000 Altitude sickness, and that fucker hiked out nine miles with pulmonary edema. 1.00

01:47:34.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:47:35.000 When he got back, he'd cough, and it was like emptying a water bottle.

01:47:38.000 Ugh.

01:47:40.000 He's a tough individual.

01:47:41.000 So I'm like, dude, this guy.

01:47:43.000 I even texted Amy. 0.99

01:47:44.000 I'm like, hey, Frank's fucked up. 0.99

01:47:46.000 I might have to hit the beacon. 0.99

01:47:47.000 Like, I might have to get help.

01:47:50.000 So anyway, I go over.

01:47:52.000 I shoot this deer.

01:47:54.000 So it was just sushi?

01:47:55.000 I guess.

01:47:56.000 I don't know.

01:47:57.000 So where did you guys eat sushi in Denver the day before?

01:47:59.000 So I think what had happened, we had starved ourselves for 12 days, right?

01:48:03.000 Dehydration.

01:48:04.000 In the woods.

01:48:05.000 In the woods.

01:48:06.000 We came out.

01:48:08.000 We all went out to dinner.

01:48:09.000 And I think he ate all that white rice.

01:48:12.000 And it just clung to his intestines like a woolly mammoth.

01:48:15.000 Because he ended up just having to take a big poop, right?

01:48:18.000 But right in the middle, where your appendix is, he's like, it hurts right here.

01:48:22.000 And I've had gallbladder issues.

01:48:24.000 I passed a kidney stone like six miles in.

01:48:27.000 So I was like...

01:48:30.000 His appendix has erupted. 0.51

01:48:31.000 He's going to die back here. 0.99

01:48:33.000 And so, let's show you how the, you know, the moxie that Frank has, he drug his ass out of that tent and filmed me shooting that mule deer. 1.00

01:48:43.000 And he hobbled his ass over there after I shot it. 0.99

01:48:46.000 And it's a fucking mile and a half from where he's glassing, you know, flagging me in. 0.99

01:48:50.000 And he just sat by the deer. 0.98

01:48:52.000 I cut it up, whatever, and I'm like, dude, I'll get most of it.

01:48:54.000 You good?

01:48:55.000 And he's like, yeah, I'm okay.

01:48:57.000 I'm okay. 0.95

01:48:57.000 And I'm like, I can tell you're not fucking okay. 0.95

01:49:00.000 Like, you're in pain. 0.98

01:49:01.000 And he made it out, and then he took a giant poop, and everything was okay.

01:49:05.000 But it...

01:49:07.000 I thought I was going to have to hit the beacon.

01:49:09.000 That's so bizarre that it was just from rice and poop.

01:49:12.000 Well, we're not doctors, but that's what I chalked it up to.

01:49:14.000 Yeah, maybe food poisoning.

01:49:16.000 You sure it wasn't food poisoning?

01:49:17.000 He wasn't puking.

01:49:18.000 That was the only thing.

01:49:18.000 But again, I'm not a doctor, but every time I've had it, I've puked.

01:49:21.000 So those are the worst experiences?

01:49:22.000 What about injuries?

01:49:23.000 Do you ever get really hurt out there?

01:49:26.000 I'm trying to think.

01:49:28.000 The kidney stone, that was a bad one.

01:49:30.000 You had to piss that out? 1.00

01:49:32.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:49:32.000 That was horrible. 1.00

01:49:34.000 How big was it?

01:49:35.000 I didn't know.

01:49:36.000 I'll tell the quick version of it.

01:49:38.000 I think I was 10 days into a hunt and I shot a mule deer.

01:49:41.000 Were you dehydrated? 1.00

01:49:42.000 Fuck, yeah. 1.00

01:49:42.000 I was dehydrated and I peed blood. 1.00

01:49:44.000 And of course, like an idiot. 1.00

01:49:45.000 And I'm like, ah, it's fine, whatever. 1.00

01:49:46.000 And hiked a mule deer out, turned around.

01:49:48.000 I met a buddy, dropped it off and then hiked back in.

01:49:52.000 And then like that night or the night after, I was, it was pretty high elevation.

01:49:58.000 But anyway, I went after this bull and something like knocked loose in my kid.

01:50:01.000 You know, I didn't know what it was.

01:50:02.000 Just all of a sudden I had this shooting pain.

01:50:04.000 And I looked at that dude on the green mile trying to pee, right? 0.99

01:50:07.000 And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? 0.96

01:50:10.000 Like, I literally, I'm like, I'm going to pass out from shock. 0.99

01:50:13.000 What the hell is wrong with me?

01:50:15.000 Did you think it was a kidney stone? 0.88

01:50:16.000 I didn't know.

01:50:18.000 It was so much pain in my back area that I knew it had something to do with my kidneys.

01:50:23.000 But every time I tried to pee, it literally would drop me to my knees.

01:50:28.000 And so I was like, okay, let's assess this.

01:50:31.000 And I'm trying to think through, should I take next to no gear and try and hike out, take enough gear to stay the night, but then have the burden of the weight and What's going to be the best option?

01:50:43.000 Because I didn't have any service and I didn't have anything back with me that I could get a hold of anyone. 0.99

01:50:50.000 And so I'm like, fuck it. 0.99

01:50:52.000 No guts, no glory. 1.00

01:50:53.000 I grabbed the basic essentials and hobbled my ass out.

01:50:56.000 And at one point, I did have a phone, but I didn't have service.

01:50:59.000 I texted my buddy Tony and said, hey, what is the nearest hospital to this trailhead?

01:51:07.000 And I lost service. 0.99

01:51:08.000 And so all he knew was I'm fucked up. 0.99

01:51:12.000 Right. 0.97

01:51:12.000 So I get to the trailhead and I get in my Jeep and I had a giant Jeep and I'm doing like 90 down the road and I get pulled over. 0.97

01:51:19.000 Well, the cop was looking for me because my buddy had called and said, I don't know what's going on. 0.97

01:51:25.000 Well, the cop was kind of a dick, right? 0.98

01:51:27.000 I get out. 0.99

01:51:29.000 And I'm like, hey, man, he wanted to call an ambulance.

01:51:32.000 And I'm like, look, dude, I just hiked out six miles. 0.99

01:51:34.000 I'm not paying $3,500 for a fucking ambulance ride. 0.99

01:51:36.000 I just hiked six miles out. 0.99

01:51:37.000 I can make it to the hospital. 0.98

01:51:39.000 And so he was a little bit of a dick, but he followed me into the hospital and I passed it. 0.99

01:51:45.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:51:46.000 Clank?

01:51:47.000 In the toilet.

01:51:47.000 Tink, tink, tink.

01:51:48.000 Did you say that?

01:51:50.000 No, but it would look like a chickpea. 0.94

01:51:53.000 Oh, like a chickpea? 1.00

01:51:54.000 Yeah, a little spiky little bastard. 1.00

01:51:56.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

01:51:56.000 Yeah, it was horrible looking. 1.00

01:51:58.000 How big was it?

01:51:59.000 Not very big. 1.00

01:52:00.000 Big enough for your dickhole. 1.00

01:52:02.000 Holy moly, man. 1.00

01:52:04.000 Going through that.

01:52:04.000 What was crazy is right after that, I was good to go.

01:52:07.000 I mean, once you passed it, I was fine.

01:52:09.000 I hiked back in the next day.

01:52:11.000 A lot of fighters get those from dehydration, from weight cuts.

01:52:15.000 I think Aldo, Jose Aldo, has gotten those before.

01:52:18.000 I think more than one fighter has gotten those.

01:52:20.000 I think what they told me, a buddy of mine is a doctor, when I was roided out, I was taking a lot of protein and different things, that there was a calcium buildup from that or something.

01:52:33.000 I don't know.

01:52:34.000 I'm not a doctor.

01:52:35.000 Some people get them, apparently, from drinking too many green smoothies.

01:52:40.000 You should be careful.

01:52:40.000 I believe that...

01:52:43.000 Which one is Thor?

01:52:45.000 Chris Helmsworth?

01:52:47.000 His brother.

01:52:48.000 His brother had to quit being a vegan.

01:52:52.000 And that's one of the reasons why.

01:52:54.000 Because he was passing these stones.

01:52:57.000 And he had to wind up getting surgery.

01:53:01.000 Australian actor Liam Hemsworth told Men's Health that he had to completely rethink his vegan diet after ongoing surgery for a kidney stone.

01:53:09.000 Some foods are high in substances called oxalates, which can increase the risk of kidney stones.

01:53:14.000 These include spinach, potatoes, nuts, and even chocolate.

01:53:18.000 There you go.

01:53:18.000 Yeah, I've heard of it from kale, too.

01:53:20.000 I eat a lot of kale.

01:53:22.000 I re-thunk my raw kale smoothies.

01:53:25.000 I was drinking a lot of kale smoothies in the morning, and then I found out about the dangers of oxalates, and I was like, oh, I thought I was doing healthy.

01:53:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:53:34.000 Well, whatever mine came from, it was an eye-opener because that shit hurt. 0.99

01:53:37.000 But I've been pretty lucky. 0.98

01:53:40.000 You know, as far as injuries, nothing IT band syndrome issue. 0.99

01:53:44.000 Normal shit, right? 0.99

01:53:45.000 I mean, nothing too, too crazy. 1.00

01:53:47.000 No blown-out knees out there or anything?

01:53:49.000 Knees are great.

01:53:50.000 Shoulders are great.

01:53:51.000 That's what would scare the fuck out of me. 0.92

01:53:52.000 Blowing out a knee in the backcountry and you've got to figure out a way to get in. 0.81

01:53:55.000 Yeah, you know, knock on wood, you know.

01:53:58.000 I haven't had two...

01:53:59.000 I mean, I've...

01:54:01.000 Been in some hairy situation on cliffs where storms rolled in, blacked out, and just had to hunker down in like a cave, right, and just wait it out, but nothing horrible.

01:54:10.000 Your kidney stone was bad, but really like some of the things you'd think that would happen.

01:54:14.000 If I die back there, it's probably not going to be from a bear.

01:54:16.000 I'm probably going to fall off a cliff.

01:54:17.000 Like that's the one thing that I would guess would happen.

01:54:20.000 That's how Cam's buddy Roy died.

01:54:22.000 Yeah.

01:54:23.000 On a sheep hunt.

01:54:24.000 Serious.

01:54:25.000 That one there is probably worse than any.

01:54:27.000 The chances of having a bear eat you is so slim, but lightning and cliffs are probably the worst ones. 0.95

01:54:34.000 Yeah, lightning is another fucking scary one, huh? 0.72

01:54:36.000 That's a normal experience out there, is lightning storms. 0.98

01:54:40.000 Yeah, and in that one area, the Sangre de Cristo's is a mountain range, and it's scientifically worse there because of the heat from the ground and the cold from above.

01:54:49.000 The lightning storm's there.

01:54:51.000 We go down there just to photograph.

01:54:52.000 What do you do if you're in a lightning storm?

01:54:54.000 Do you get near trees?

01:54:56.000 Because if you get near trees, what if the trees get hit?

01:54:58.000 I'm going to give you horrible advice. 0.99

01:54:59.000 I don't do shit. 0.99

01:55:00.000 I just get in my tent and do my thing. 0.91

01:55:02.000 Really?

01:55:03.000 So when there's a lightning storm, you just lay in your tent and hope it doesn't hit you?

01:55:06.000 Well, I mean, the reality of it is, as they blow over, you may be causing—and I'm not an expert at this.

01:55:13.000 It's just I have the, if it's my time, it's my time.

01:55:16.000 So I just get in and I listen to an audiobook and try to pretend it's not there.

01:55:21.000 And that is probably horrible advice, but the reality is my buddy— What audio book would you listen to when you're almost dying from a lightning storm?

01:55:31.000 The Crow Killer, Jeremiah Johnson. 0.99

01:55:33.000 Oh, damn. 1.00

01:55:33.000 You're getting serious. 1.00

01:55:34.000 Mountain Man.

01:55:34.000 Yeah.

01:55:35.000 That one helps me go to sleep.

01:55:36.000 That dude's voice helps me go to sleep. 0.99

01:55:40.000 But my buddy, which I don't know if I can say his name because he's on an ODA team, him and his buddy, this fucking guy's get hit with lightning. 0.74

01:55:49.000 In the spot where we killed a bull, and he texts me, and he said something about this reminded me of, I think he got hit with an RPG or something.

01:55:57.000 And I'm like, well, dude, are you good?

01:55:59.000 Like, that's a hell of a build-up to a story with no finish, right?

01:56:03.000 He's got scars where the lightning came out of its, oh, no, that's where it entered, and then it blew the front of his, or his buddy's shoe out.

01:56:10.000 What? 0.99

01:56:10.000 Fucking they hiked out. 0.99

01:56:11.000 Hit him in the back and blew his buddy's shoe off. 1.00

01:56:13.000 Because they hit them both at the same time.

01:56:15.000 And so I would guess they were probably more trained than I was.

01:56:19.000 And whatever they did didn't work.

01:56:20.000 So anymore, Frank and I just hunkered down and I listened to an audio book.

01:56:25.000 Remy Warren got hit with lightning in high school, if I remember correctly.

01:56:28.000 And I think he lost a sense of smell. 1.00

01:56:30.000 No shit? 1.00

01:56:31.000 Yeah, something wacky like that. 0.99

01:56:33.000 Remember that movie with, what was it, the big dude, the actor, where the guy gets hit lightning and he's like, six times!

01:56:40.000 And he's like, oh, you've been hit with lightning six times?

01:56:41.000 He's like, no, 66 times! 1.00

01:56:44.000 You remember that shit, John Candy? 1.00

01:56:46.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:56:47.000 The Great Outdoors?

01:56:48.000 Well, there's a guy that has been hit like a record number of times.

01:56:53.000 See if you can find that.

01:56:54.000 There's one dude that for whatever reason, they don't understand it, but he's been hit by lightning multiple times.

01:57:00.000 It's not because he's looking for it.

01:57:02.000 He's particularly attractive to lightning for some strange reason.

01:57:06.000 I think I'm particularly attracted to black bears.

01:57:09.000 How many times?

01:57:09.000 Seven times.

01:57:10.000 Good God.

01:57:11.000 Yeah, he's a ranger.

01:57:13.000 Park ranger.

01:57:13.000 Yeah, come on, man.

01:57:15.000 So, Roy Cleveland Sullivan, he died in 1983. United States Park ranger in Shenandoah National Park in Virginia.

01:57:22.000 Between 1942 and 1977, Sullivan was hit by lightning on seven different occasions and survived all of them.

01:57:29.000 I would go home and talk to my wife and see if she put some voodoo on me. 1.00

01:57:32.000 That reminds me of that saying I have, if it was raining pussy, you'd get hit in the head with a dick. 1.00

01:57:37.000 That guy's bad luck. 1.00

01:57:38.000 That is horrible.

01:57:39.000 Seven times is crazy.

01:57:41.000 That doesn't even make sense.

01:57:42.000 Yeah.

01:57:42.000 I just don't worry about it, though, anymore.

01:57:45.000 What did you say, Jamie?

01:57:46.000 This one says another guy hit ten times.

01:57:50.000 Tent. 1.00

01:57:50.000 Another guy's like, I'll show you, pussy. 1.00

01:57:52.000 Ten times. 1.00

01:57:54.000 Put a fucking metal hat on. 0.99

01:57:56.000 I think, though, you get desensitized to different things, and lightning is definitely one where I just kind of hang out in the tent. 1.00

01:58:04.000 It cooks you from the inside out like being in a microwave, he says.

01:58:07.000 Man 61 survives being struck by lightning ten times.

01:58:10.000 Melvin Roberts made headlines in 2011 for being hit six times in one year.

01:58:15.000 Wife said he's been struck another four times.

01:58:17.000 South Carolina man suffered memory loss, headaches, speech problems, and has nerve damage in his hands and leg.

01:58:23.000 Like, I don't...

01:58:24.000 I'm so confused.

01:58:27.000 I don't understand why he keeps hitting him.

01:58:28.000 Let me see what that guy looks like.

01:58:30.000 Yeah.

01:58:32.000 He looks like a guy's been hit by lightning ten times.

01:58:35.000 Yeah, because usually it'll blow the end of your toes off.

01:58:38.000 Really?

01:58:38.000 Yeah, where it exits.

01:58:39.000 A single lightning strike is made up of several 100 million volts. 1.00

01:58:45.000 What the fuck, man? 0.99

01:58:47.000 Yeah, we've been in lightning strikes where they hit trees close by. 1.00

01:58:52.000 It just blows them up into shrapnel.

01:58:54.000 It's pretty wild.

01:58:56.000 How does it not kill people?

01:58:57.000 Yeah, that's where it exited the toe.

01:58:59.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:59:01.000 Nerve damage in his leg and foot as a result of the lightning strikes.

01:59:06.000 That might change your idea.

01:59:07.000 It says Roy Sullivan is the current world record holder.

01:59:11.000 And then he was hit seven times, the guy that we were talking about.

01:59:14.000 He died in 1983 by his own hand.

01:59:17.000 Oh, no.

01:59:18.000 That's not good.

01:59:19.000 Yeah, you've got to wonder, like, what's left after you've been hit seven times? 1.00

01:59:23.000 Like, your shit must be scrambled. 0.99

01:59:25.000 I don't know, man, but those are the things that'll probably get you, you know, like talking about, yeah, bears is like the last thing I worry about. 1.00

01:59:32.000 Lightning, it's a real problem.

01:59:35.000 Is there a way to get it to hit something else?

01:59:39.000 Like if you're in your tent, would it hit the tent and not you, or would it just go right through the tent?

01:59:44.000 I think it'd go through the tent.

01:59:45.000 I saw it hit an old-growth tree once and blow a 180-foot tall tree into pieces, and I'm like, oh, that did not look appealing, you know, as a kid.

01:59:51.000 You watched it happen?

01:59:52.000 Yeah, and that's not uncommon either.

01:59:55.000 If you have service, you can see where it's going, right?

01:59:59.000 Like the one that passed two years ago, I knew Frank was fucked because it was going by me literally 400 yards, and I'm watching cloud to ground, and I'm texting Frank. 0.99

02:00:07.000 I'm like, dude, buckle your shit up. 0.99

02:00:09.000 It's coming. 1.00

02:00:10.000 And it went right in front of me and over Frank.

02:00:13.000 Frank's so funny.

02:00:14.000 He literally called me.

02:00:15.000 He's like, I'm okay, sir.

02:00:16.000 And I'm like, how'd it go?

02:00:17.000 He's like, that was not cool.

02:00:19.000 And he had video of it striking all around him.

02:00:22.000 But the thing, like he said, is where's he going to go?

02:00:24.000 Because he's just running into a storm, right?

02:00:26.000 You're not going to outrun it.

02:00:27.000 What do you do?

02:00:28.000 What are you supposed to do?

02:00:29.000 Are you supposed to go in your trees?

02:00:30.000 You're supposed to get into depression and hunker down is what you're supposed to do.

02:00:33.000 Into a depression, like some sort of a valley?

02:00:35.000 Yeah.

02:00:35.000 What's it say, Jim?

02:00:36.000 I was reading through Roy Sullivan's Wikipedia.

02:00:38.000 It says he got struck two other times, once when he was a kid, but it didn't hurt him, so he didn't claim it.

02:00:44.000 And then another time, his wife got struck while he was helping her with the clothes, but he didn't get hurt that time either, so I guess he didn't claim that time. 0.99

02:00:53.000 Is he a fucking alien? 0.99

02:00:54.000 Why would one guy get hit so many times? 1.00

02:00:56.000 I'm trying to read why it says, but there's no reasoning why or anything.

02:01:00.000 That's so weird.

02:01:02.000 Like, what about a person's biological makeup would be so different that lightning would be attracted to them?

02:01:08.000 I don't know.

02:01:09.000 He's got some serious static electricity. 0.99

02:01:11.000 The thing is, like, with, you know, the more you're out there, epic shit happens. 0.99

02:01:16.000 Well, I guess you might not consider it epic, but, I mean, the more... 0.99

02:01:20.000 He's a park ranger.

02:01:21.000 Right, that's what I mean.

02:01:22.000 Like, you're out there, and then, you know, you think about how much time I'm out there. 0.99

02:01:25.000 Crazy shit's gonna happen if you're in the woods a lot. 0.97

02:01:27.000 I mean, there's no... 0.99

02:01:28.000 Well, the Wolverine.

02:01:30.000 Yeah.

02:01:30.000 It's a one in a billion chance for that to happen.

02:01:32.000 I mean, that's literally, but the more you're out there, shit's going to happen. 0.99

02:01:36.000 Well, Jordan's story about the Wolverine stealing his moose fat was hilarious. 0.99

02:01:39.000 I know.

02:01:40.000 He had to one-up me. 0.99

02:01:41.000 I was giving him shit about that, right? 0.99

02:01:42.000 Like, one of the only guys in history to shoot one with a recurve, and he basically killed one with a hatchet. 1.00

02:01:46.000 I'm like, you son of a bitch. 1.00

02:01:48.000 He said he couldn't eat it, though. 1.00

02:01:49.000 He said it was disgusting.

02:01:50.000 Yeah.

02:01:51.000 Yeah, it's...

02:01:51.000 I had a lot of people...

02:01:53.000 Well, you asked me, too. 0.99

02:01:53.000 I had a lot of people ask me, and I was like, yeah, I'm not eating that fucker. 0.99

02:01:56.000 It's nasty. 0.99

02:01:57.000 But, you know, talking with coyotes and stuff, I think Rinella ate a coyote.

02:02:04.000 Yes, him and Remy Warren, they cooked a coyote, ate it, and it didn't seem that bad.

02:02:08.000 It seemed edible.

02:02:09.000 It's not for me.

02:02:10.000 I don't care.

02:02:11.000 If you were starving.

02:02:12.000 If you were starving.

02:02:13.000 Yeah.

02:02:14.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:14.000 I've eaten marmot on purpose.

02:02:16.000 Marmot tastes good.

02:02:17.000 You don't want to eat the old ones.

02:02:18.000 They're not so good.

02:02:19.000 A marmot's like a rodent, right?

02:02:21.000 Yeah.

02:02:21.000 Those taste pretty good.

02:02:22.000 We call it Rocky Mountain Fish and Chips.

02:02:24.000 We catch cutthroat and brook trout and eat marmot.

02:02:26.000 They're really that good?

02:02:27.000 No, they're not that good.

02:02:29.000 I've had beaver.

02:02:30.000 Ranella cooked up beaver.

02:02:31.000 Beaver tail is pretty good.

02:02:32.000 It wasn't the tail.

02:02:33.000 It was the hindquarters.

02:02:35.000 Oh, no kidding.

02:02:36.000 Yeah, he cooked it.

02:02:37.000 It was like a beef stew.

02:02:38.000 He braised it and then slow cooked it in a crock pot.

02:02:42.000 It was actually very good.

02:02:43.000 We were stunned.

02:02:45.000 It was quite delicious.

02:02:46.000 Yeah, I've had beaver, but to tail more than anything.

02:02:49.000 Tail's weird, right?

02:02:50.000 It's fat.

02:02:51.000 I was going to say it's very fatty is what it is.

02:02:53.000 Yeah, it's like a fat sandwich.

02:02:54.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:02:55.000 I mean, I get the idea of, you know, they eat what you kill or whatever, but I also get the idea that wolverines eat the shit out of, they'll clear a basin of mountain goats and sheep out in a minute.

02:03:05.000 Did you hear the whole story of that? 0.99

02:03:07.000 Fucker bit the arrow in half on the third arrow and charged me after biting it in half. 1.00

02:03:12.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99

02:03:12.000 Yeah, it was pretty crazy. 0.99

02:03:13.000 It was cool.

02:03:14.000 It's a wild little animal, man. 0.99

02:03:16.000 I mean, they're in the badger family, and that, you know, Honey Badger Don't Give a Fuck is pretty famous. 1.00

02:03:20.000 Oh, you know how many memes I got at Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit? 1.00

02:03:23.000 Oh, fuck, it was crazy. 1.00

02:03:24.000 It's a wild little animal, too, just the way it looks. 1.00

02:03:26.000 It doesn't even look like a real thing.

02:03:28.000 Yeah.

02:03:29.000 Well, it was crazy because they were fighting when we saw them, and so we stalked down in on them.

02:03:34.000 I was like, you know, I figured we were 30 yards away and all of a sudden we were...

02:03:38.000 And I was like, Jesus Christ, they were like 14 yards away.

02:03:41.000 Yeah, I've seen them chase off wolves from kills.

02:03:44.000 It's crazy.

02:03:45.000 I've seen them in video at least.

02:03:46.000 It's a wild little animal.

02:03:48.000 It's just so funny how something so small can be so ferocious. 1.00

02:03:51.000 Look at that fucker. 1.00

02:03:52.000 Look at that face. 1.00

02:03:53.000 Yeah, I saw it like at six yards on my third arrow.

02:03:56.000 That's a honey badger.

02:03:58.000 Wolverine's real similar.

02:03:59.000 Just any kind of badger.

02:04:01.000 It's such a strange animal.

02:04:03.000 They are.

02:04:04.000 And I guess there's a lot of them up in that mountain range. 0.99

02:04:06.000 Because I know they encourage you to shoot them because they're hard on the ungulates. 1.00

02:04:13.000 Do they encourage you to? 0.99

02:04:15.000 They encourage you to take them out because they killed them.

02:04:17.000 Look at that one with his mouth open in the middle. 0.50

02:04:19.000 Low down.

02:04:20.000 Yeah, look at that. 1.00

02:04:22.000 Fucking A, man. 0.99

02:04:23.000 Yep. 1.00

02:04:24.000 Their faces. 1.00

02:04:25.000 Look at his fucking face. 1.00

02:04:26.000 That doesn't even look like a real face. 1.00

02:04:29.000 Dude, I should send you mine.

02:04:30.000 You can put it in here. 0.96

02:04:32.000 And like, every time you look at it, scare the shit out of you.

02:04:34.000 I kept the whole hide.

02:04:36.000 I just, you know, when we were in there, it was like...

02:04:39.000 Sad to me.

02:04:39.000 I'll put it right there next to that chimp, that fake, this thing.

02:04:43.000 This is Shane Against the Machine on Instagram made me this. 1.00

02:04:47.000 Oh, no shit. 0.99

02:04:47.000 That's badass. 0.99

02:04:48.000 It's a chimp skull that he made out of Zildjian thimbles. 1.00

02:04:53.000 It looks like it says Zildjian on the back.

02:04:55.000 It reminds me of that movie Congo.

02:04:57.000 Oh, right.

02:04:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:58.000 Bad gorilla.

02:04:59.000 Remember that?

02:04:59.000 Yeah.

02:05:00.000 Do you know why they...

02:05:01.000 You know what's interesting about that?

02:05:02.000 That's a Michael Crichton book, right, isn't it?

02:05:04.000 Michael Crichton?

02:05:04.000 Crichton, yeah.

02:05:05.000 What's interesting about that is I thought he was just making that up, but there is a giant chimp in the Congo.

02:05:12.000 There's a giant...

02:05:13.000 They call it the Bondo Ape.

02:05:15.000 It's huge.

02:05:16.000 It's like six feet tall.

02:05:16.000 They've caught him on camera traps.

02:05:18.000 There's a, I think he's from Sweden or Switzerland, I forget, a wildlife photographer named Carl Amon, and he was obsessed with these things.

02:05:26.000 He saw one once, I believe, and then he set up all these camera traps.

02:05:30.000 He spent years in there trying to document this thing.

02:05:32.000 Because there's an enormous chimpanzee, like a subspecies of chimpanzee that lives in the Congo in this place called Bili.

02:05:40.000 And you got photos of it?

02:05:41.000 Yeah, they have photos, they have camera traps.

02:05:43.000 These two guys who lived there shot one near an airfield landing strip.

02:05:49.000 It's huge.

02:05:50.000 It's like a six foot tall chimp.

02:05:53.000 It would be equivalent to seeing Bigfoot, right?

02:05:54.000 Yeah.

02:05:55.000 If I ever saw it, I'd certainly want to go find it more.

02:05:58.000 I don't necessarily think Bigfoot exists, but if I saw one, I'd certainly want to go find it.

02:06:02.000 This one's really trippy because it sleeps on the ground like a gorilla. 0.99

02:06:05.000 No shit. 0.99

02:06:06.000 Yeah, they nest on the ground. 1.00

02:06:07.000 And they caught one eating a leopard.

02:06:10.000 They don't know if it killed the leopard or if it was just eating a leopard that was already dead.

02:06:14.000 But you've got to imagine how strong a chimp is. 1.00

02:06:17.000 Now imagine how strong a 200, I mean, not 200, 6 foot tall, probably more than 200, probably 300 or 400 pound chimp. 1.00

02:06:24.000 With the densest muscle mass known to man. 0.96

02:06:26.000 That stayed the fuck out of the jungle.

02:06:28.000 The crazy thing is they have camera trap photos of one walking upright. 0.59

02:06:32.000 Oh, no kidding.

02:06:33.000 See if you can find the guys, Carl with a K, Amon.

02:06:38.000 He's this wildlife photographer that got obsessed with this animal. 0.68

02:06:42.000 Because they were, you know, a lot of people were claiming bullshit for the longest time on this.

02:06:46.000 There's photos of one that someone had shot from the 1920s, and they were trying to figure out if it was a hybrid, if it was a gorilla-chimp hybrid, if that's possible. 0.67

02:06:55.000 See, that's the one that's the camera trap on the far left.

02:06:57.000 So you see it walking. 1.00

02:06:59.000 That fucker was walking on his hind legs. 1.00

02:07:01.000 It's huge. 1.00

02:07:02.000 And now go back to where you were.

02:07:03.000 See that one right beside it on the left?

02:07:05.000 That's the dead one.

02:07:06.000 Up, up top.

02:07:06.000 Up top.

02:07:07.000 Yeah, right there.

02:07:08.000 That's the one that they shot at a landing strip.

02:07:11.000 They shot near an airport.

02:07:12.000 Look at the size of his hog.

02:07:14.000 Good lord.

02:07:15.000 Good lord. 1.00

02:07:15.000 Look at the size of that fucker. 1.00

02:07:17.000 You don't know how big the men are behind it, but even if they're 5'7", that's a six foot enormous chimpanzee. 0.99

02:07:25.000 And then the one in the middle, the black and white one, Jamie...

02:07:29.000 Yeah, that one.

02:07:30.000 That is the original photo from really, really early on.

02:07:34.000 I think that was the early 1900s. 0.98

02:07:36.000 People were trying to figure out what the fuck that was. 0.98

02:07:39.000 It was like, it's really big for a chimp, because these guys are trying to hold it up, and its legs are still dragging on the ground, so if it was standing up on its hind legs, it'd probably be as tall as them. 0.99

02:07:49.000 Good lord. 0.61

02:07:50.000 Yeah, crazy.

02:07:51.000 So it is an actual chimp. 0.97

02:07:53.000 There's another one, too.

02:07:53.000 That one right next to it, Jamie.

02:07:54.000 Right above where your cursor is.

02:07:57.000 Down and to the right.

02:07:58.000 That one. 1.00

02:08:00.000 I mean, this is a fucking enormous animal, man. 0.99

02:08:03.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:08:03.000 That's like the Bigfoot of the jungle. 1.00

02:08:05.000 I mean, imagine a 400-pound chimp. 0.79

02:08:08.000 Six-foot-tall, 400-pound chimp. 1.00

02:08:10.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:08:11.000 So this guy, Carl Amman, A-M-M-A-N-N, has been photographing these things for years. 1.00

02:08:18.000 Yeah.

02:08:19.000 Set up these camera traps.

02:08:20.000 They have two different types of chimps.

02:08:22.000 They call them tree beaters and lion killers.

02:08:24.000 The tree beaters are the ones...

02:08:25.000 Look at that one in the middle that's standing up. 1.00

02:08:28.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:08:30.000 Look at that thing. 1.00

02:08:31.000 God damn, that's crazy. 1.00

02:08:33.000 If you could watch what a normal chimp does physically, that's... 1.00

02:08:36.000 Probably going to be pretty impressive what that thing can do. 0.99

02:08:38.000 Yeah, I mean they throw themselves through the air with their arms.

02:08:41.000 Literally just throw themselves and catch a tree.

02:08:44.000 That's wild.

02:08:45.000 They hang from it.

02:08:46.000 So that's why that Congo movie was so weird.

02:08:49.000 Like it's kind of sort of loosely based on an actual real chimp.

02:08:53.000 Yeah.

02:08:54.000 And they get real gray looking too, which is also true, just like his book.

02:08:58.000 Yeah, I was going to say in the movie they had the gray.

02:09:00.000 Yeah, they get real gray when they get big, sort of like gorillas.

02:09:04.000 They also have a crest on their head like gorillas.

02:09:07.000 See this chimp, this fake chimp skull that he made? 1.00

02:09:10.000 This is a normal chimp skull. 1.00

02:09:11.000 But the ones that they found, that's why they got so confused.

02:09:14.000 These Bondo apes, they actually have a crest.

02:09:18.000 Like they have this big thick partition at the top of their head and the skull.

02:09:22.000 That usually, like with bears, that's an H, right?

02:09:25.000 When they get that butt crack in their forehead, it's basically coming down.

02:09:28.000 That big, thick muscles that they can crush moose bones with.

02:09:32.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

02:09:33.000 It is pretty wild watching what some of the...

02:09:35.000 Like I got hit by a black bear once running, just clipped me.

02:09:39.000 He was running scared, but...

02:09:40.000 He hit me and I was like, oh, that was definitely a reality check of where I'm at.

02:09:44.000 You were running?

02:09:45.000 Like jogging? 1.00

02:09:45.000 Oh, fuck no. 1.00

02:09:46.000 I was on the trail and he ran by me and clipped me. 1.00

02:09:48.000 Oh.

02:09:48.000 And it wasn't like this crazy...

02:09:51.000 He just ran you over accidentally? 1.00

02:09:53.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

02:09:53.000 He hit me and that was a reality check of where I stand at in the food chain. 1.00

02:09:56.000 I thought I got hit by a fucking 600-pound linebacker. 0.99

02:09:59.000 I mean, it blew me back. 0.99

02:10:00.000 And he clipped me on the side.

02:10:02.000 But it happened so fast, right?

02:10:04.000 And literally it took me a second to like, Jesus Christ.

02:10:08.000 When he hit me, he was running scared, right?

02:10:10.000 It was just a happenstance thing.

02:10:12.000 But South got attacked by one when he was young.

02:10:15.000 South Cox?

02:10:16.000 Yeah, when he was young.

02:10:17.000 But it really shows you, like, well, I have a Matrix target.

02:10:20.000 You like those.

02:10:21.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

02:10:22.000 That fucking bear at my house pushed the center octagon out. 1.00

02:10:25.000 He doesn't have opposable thumbs. 1.00

02:10:27.000 He didn't release the ratchet straps.

02:10:28.000 And he managed to push the middle portion out.

02:10:31.000 Why?

02:10:32.000 Probably had peanut butter on my hand and I was pulling arrows.

02:10:34.000 Oh, and you smelled it.

02:10:36.000 Yeah, and he was able to push that center octagon out.

02:10:38.000 And that was a 180-pound little black bear.

02:10:40.000 So imagine what a 500-pound black bear could be.

02:10:43.000 Well, when you see them run up trees, just use their claws and just run up the tree.

02:10:48.000 And full clip, like you would run on the ground, but faster.

02:10:52.000 And they go up a tree that way.

02:10:53.000 Oh, yeah.

02:10:54.000 We're so weak.

02:10:55.000 Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

02:10:57.000 That one I got, that one that charged me two years ago?

02:11:01.000 Jesus, man, that thing was like, I hit it two times coming at me here and here, and I was shitting my knickers, right?

02:11:08.000 I mean, the first time I hit it, I was like, oh, like running backwards.

02:11:11.000 I was pooping my pants, right?

02:11:13.000 And then it took off and it started stomping the ground, so I huffed at it again.

02:11:17.000 Came in again, and I was not ready the second go around either.

02:11:20.000 And I hit it here, and then it ran off broadside. 0.88

02:11:22.000 And anyway, I ended up killing it. 0.83

02:11:23.000 But it was hilarious because my buddy was like, hey, did you get a shot?

02:11:27.000 Because he couldn't see in the timber.

02:11:29.000 And I'm like, dude, I'm out of arrows.

02:11:31.000 And he's like, what happened?

02:11:32.000 And I don't think he believed me.

02:11:34.000 We got up there.

02:11:34.000 I'm like, dude, it's a big bear.

02:11:36.000 And I said, did you hear it?

02:11:37.000 And he said, I could hear it stomping. 0.99

02:11:39.000 And I was like, did you hear it fucking try to eat me? 0.98

02:11:41.000 And he was like, did it really? 0.99

02:11:42.000 I'm like, no, it didn't try to eat me.

02:11:44.000 I was like, but Jesus.

02:11:45.000 And he looked and I was reenacting, telling him what happened.

02:11:50.000 It was a trip, man, but I was wearing black.

02:11:53.000 So it might have thought that you were a bear?

02:11:55.000 So when that snow melts, the king of the apes, the biggest bears guard the luscious grass.

02:12:03.000 And so when I stalked in, I actually pulled my camel off and I put on black fleece because it was in a field.

02:12:08.000 And I was on my hands and knees and he'd feed and I'd get closer and he'd feed.

02:12:12.000 And I got to 35 yards and he wheeled out right when I shot. 0.99

02:12:15.000 And he went into the timber and And I was like, ah, damn it. 0.99

02:12:19.000 And then I could hear him in there popping his teeth. 0.99

02:12:21.000 And I'm like, oh, he wants some.

02:12:23.000 So I loaded an arrow and just dove into the timber and I started huffing at him.

02:12:27.000 And that's a dominance thing.

02:12:29.000 You did that to get him riled up?

02:12:31.000 Why would you do that?

02:12:33.000 Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time, right?

02:12:36.000 Looking back...

02:12:37.000 You just caught up in the moment?

02:12:39.000 Well, to be honest with you, I've never had one that come at me that fast.

02:12:43.000 Usually they'll just stand up there and they'll stomp the ground. 0.99

02:12:46.000 Oh, so you thought you were going to bluff him and then he would be there for a shot.

02:12:48.000 Yeah, and it didn't quite turn out like I had planned it.

02:12:50.000 And he came straight at me. 0.97

02:12:53.000 And so I started like, oh, that's a fucking bad idea. 0.98

02:12:55.000 And I started running backwards and I shot, but it was... 0.99

02:12:58.000 I don't know, from here to the TV, and I hit it.

02:13:01.000 Well, I thought, okay, that should slow him down. 1.00

02:13:03.000 Well, fuck it, just pissed him off. 1.00

02:13:05.000 So he ran out there at 20 yards and started stomping the ground. 1.00

02:13:09.000 At this point in time, I was a bit caught in the moment, and I'm not trying to make this sound any more than me being a dumb fuck. 0.99

02:13:15.000 So I started huffing at it again, and he came straight at me one more time, and I hit him on the other side. 0.99

02:13:21.000 Well, what was funny is Gary was like, hey, did you get a shot?

02:13:26.000 And I was like, yeah, dude, you would not believe this.

02:13:29.000 And you could tell he was like, yeah, whatever, we get in there, and this thing's got...

02:13:32.000 One arrow sticking out of here, one here, and one through the lungs. 0.99

02:13:35.000 It was fucking crazy. 1.00

02:13:37.000 Seven foot four. 1.00

02:13:38.000 It's a weird animal to eat, too.

02:13:40.000 You know, the rivets taught me how delicious they can be.

02:13:43.000 They're good.

02:13:44.000 John and Jen Rivet really know how to cook them, especially on a Traeger.

02:13:47.000 They'll slow cook a ham. 0.98

02:13:49.000 It's unbelievable.

02:13:51.000 It's so good.

02:13:52.000 I get a kick out of the hate mail I get about predators, right?

02:13:55.000 Because we eat them.

02:13:57.000 Like mountain lions, unbelievable.

02:13:58.000 It's not as good as axis steer, but it's pretty damn good.

02:14:02.000 And it's weird that you get less hate mail from a deer than you do something that can eat you.

02:14:07.000 I know, because it seems like if you're killing an animal like a mountain lion, you're doing it because you want to be a badass.

02:14:12.000 Yeah.

02:14:12.000 That's what it is.

02:14:13.000 But if you kill an animal like a deer, that's normal.

02:14:16.000 People are accustomed to people killing deer for food.

02:14:18.000 Well, I had people like, oh, those are endangered.

02:14:20.000 Can I kill a giant mountain lion?

02:14:21.000 And I've killed a bunch of bears. 0.98

02:14:23.000 They're endangered.

02:14:24.000 And it's like, no, there's actually kind of a problem, right?

02:14:28.000 In California, they're not endangered at all.

02:14:29.000 You hear that talk all the time.

02:14:31.000 At Tahone Ranch, they have one particular camera trap where they caught 16 different mountain lions on a pond.

02:14:37.000 Yeah, they're a problem.

02:14:38.000 And they'll eat two and a half deer a week pretty easily.

02:14:42.000 And so a mountain lion.

02:14:44.000 But you think, like people think you can't eat.

02:14:48.000 And there's some predators you probably shouldn't eat.

02:14:50.000 But again, in the big picture, which I do not understand how people think, They eat everything else.

02:14:57.000 And so to be truly not the hashtag conservation, but if you're worried about other animals, you have to keep everything in relative check.

02:15:06.000 Yeah, there's a weird thing that people have, though, when it comes to predators.

02:15:09.000 Like there was a woman who ran an alpaca farm in Malibu.

02:15:13.000 She had this one particular mountain lion that had found her farm irresistible and Slaughtered a bunch of them and killed a couple of goats too and she got a depredation permit to kill this thing and the amount of death threats that she got when they found out that she was gonna kill this mountain lion or was told that she got a permit where she could hire someone to take this mountain lion out and And so she eventually wound up not doing it just out of fear.

02:15:40.000 She was just scared.

02:15:41.000 But meanwhile, they don't have any problem with this thing really thrill killing.

02:15:46.000 It was just thrill killing.

02:15:48.000 It can't help itself.

02:15:49.000 Once it found out that it could get into that pen where the alpacas were, it just was slaughtering them.

02:15:54.000 Yeah, well, not just us here.

02:15:57.000 It's kind of weird.

02:15:58.000 So put things into perspective.

02:16:00.000 Think about this.

02:16:01.000 If you shoot an animal and you don't pack it all out, you get a ticket for wanton waste, right?

02:16:07.000 What do they do about rib meat?

02:16:09.000 Do they call them on rib meat as well?

02:16:11.000 Every state's different.

02:16:12.000 So in Colorado, you have to take four quarters and neck meat.

02:16:15.000 Some places you don't have to take rib meat.

02:16:17.000 Some places you do.

02:16:18.000 You think about it, how much food do you think was wasted in California yesterday?

02:16:22.000 Beef, how much was thrown away?

02:16:24.000 The people didn't finish their meals, their steak was cooked medium-rare.

02:16:27.000 That animal was alive once, and they throw it away.

02:16:31.000 It's weird how people look at that.

02:16:32.000 That is weird, but it's like the thing of you going out and doing it yourself.

02:16:37.000 And what I think they're really worried about is someone shooting a deer and just taking the antlers, which is...

02:16:42.000 No, no.

02:16:42.000 I get that portion of it.

02:16:44.000 I don't get the other portion.

02:16:45.000 Like, I get, like, well, I got three, dude, I eat 500 pounds of meat a year, right?

02:16:49.000 It's a big deal for me.

02:16:52.000 What's crazy to me is that some dude that just let his kid throw his entire steak away because it didn't taste good is going to give me crap for shooting a deer that I'm going to eat the whole thing. 0.96

02:17:00.000 Well, that's human, though. 0.91

02:17:01.000 Humans are real complicated animals.

02:17:04.000 We're real bizarre in what we can justify and not justify.

02:17:09.000 It's one of the things you're seeing.

02:17:11.000 If someone's walking around without a mask on the street, people will yell at them and tell them, you're putting me in danger.

02:17:18.000 But you will see a massive protest, and it gets nothing but positive responses from the news and the media.

02:17:26.000 Like, this is amazing.

02:17:27.000 People are unifying.

02:17:29.000 It is amazing, but it's also amazing that two weeks later, there's a giant spike in COVID, and no one wants to...

02:17:35.000 Something I've read, though, that there is a big spike in COVID, but there's not a corresponding death spike.

02:17:41.000 Yeah, I read the same thing.

02:17:43.000 Yeah, see, that's true.

02:17:44.000 Read that, because they said that COVID is spiking, but deaths aren't.

02:17:49.000 Which is really interesting because that must mean that they're better at treating it or maybe people have a better understanding of how to survive it or maybe the people that are getting it are younger because a lot of them are getting it specifically from the protests, which they're kind of denying.

02:18:06.000 It seems hilarious, though.

02:18:07.000 Which is weird.

02:18:07.000 Yeah, the whole thing, I'm trying not to read it because I just get depressed.

02:18:10.000 People on top of each other.

02:18:12.000 I'm 100% in support of the protests.

02:18:14.000 100%.

02:18:14.000 But people on top of each other, you tell them if they're sick, they're not going to give it to each other?

02:18:18.000 That seems highly unlikely.

02:18:20.000 Yeah, a lot of...

02:18:20.000 Not a doctor, but...

02:18:21.000 There's just a lot of contradicting views of that.

02:18:25.000 Like, you can't protest certain things, but you can protest other things, and then...

02:18:28.000 When COVID first kicked off, six feet, wear a mask, whatever.

02:18:32.000 And then I see these things where, you know, there's this six-foot thing, but we don't mind if you protest.

02:18:38.000 Exactly.

02:18:39.000 Everything was strange to me.

02:18:41.000 Well, there was a big gay pride protest or celebration this weekend in Chicago.

02:18:46.000 Same thing.

02:18:47.000 Everybody on top of everybody.

02:18:49.000 And everybody's like, this is wonderful.

02:18:50.000 Unity.

02:18:52.000 Okay.

02:18:52.000 But, you know, in two weeks, when the restaurants and the bars shut down again, we're going to question our decisions.

02:18:58.000 Yeah, you ever watch like Zombieland?

02:19:01.000 That movie's funny.

02:19:02.000 Fatties are first to go. 0.99

02:19:03.000 I bring that up all the time.

02:19:04.000 You think about how bad would it be to rewind 80 years?

02:19:09.000 Like what would happen?

02:19:10.000 Like how soft we are as a culture now?

02:19:15.000 It's pretty amazing.

02:19:16.000 And then like, you know, you think about some of the different plagues.

02:19:19.000 You know, I read and listen. 1.00

02:19:20.000 Well, I don't read shit. 0.99

02:19:21.000 I listen to a lot of audio books. 0.99

02:19:22.000 Me too.

02:19:23.000 I like to say I read, though.

02:19:24.000 It sounds better.

02:19:25.000 It does for me, too. 1.00

02:19:26.000 But the reality is I don't read shit. 0.99

02:19:27.000 I look at pictures. 1.00

02:19:28.000 I read magazines.

02:19:30.000 I read articles online.

02:19:32.000 I read articles.

02:19:32.000 I'll read some articles, especially on my phone.

02:19:34.000 I'll pull them up.

02:19:35.000 Yeah, but I rarely read books.

02:19:37.000 I fall asleep when I read them, which I probably should read more.

02:19:40.000 But when I look at all of the different... 0.73

02:19:46.000 Everything that's going on nowadays, like if there was any major, actual, real major crisis, like how fucked we would be as a society is pretty amazing. 0.92

02:19:54.000 Well, it's like we were talking about our dietary choices, the fact that 70% of Americans are overweight. 0.98

02:19:58.000 That is so crazy.

02:19:59.000 This is such a weird time in terms of how easy life is without, you know, pre-COVID. And that people had gotten accustomed to this soft way of living.

02:20:10.000 Yeah.

02:20:11.000 So when someone does something like what you do, what you prefer to do, that's what makes it so extraordinary.

02:20:16.000 Someone uses that ridiculous farmer's walk, farmer's carry machine, and here it is.

02:20:22.000 As U.S. coronavirus cases spike, country will be seeing more deaths, Dr. Fauci says.

02:20:29.000 They will be going up is what it says.

02:20:32.000 I understand that Dr. Fauci is a medical expert and a good man, but I am annoyed at him.

02:20:37.000 For what he said about the masks, because he literally said that we told people not to wear masks so that they wouldn't buy them so that healthcare experts can get them.

02:20:49.000 You can't do that.

02:20:50.000 You can't do that because then we know you're lying at one point in time.

02:20:54.000 You can't lie.

02:20:56.000 You can say, please don't buy masks because healthcare workers need them.

02:21:02.000 Instead, get a bandana.

02:21:04.000 Instead, take an old t-shirt, convert it into a bandana.

02:21:08.000 Please say that.

02:21:09.000 Please, in the future, don't lie to us because when you lie, then we think you're lying no matter what you say.

02:21:15.000 You lose credibility.

02:21:15.000 Exactly, especially when it's about something like that.

02:21:17.000 Like, I understand they probably compelled him to do that, but man, that confuses the fuck out of everybody because there's this video...

02:21:24.000 That, you know, him talking about, you don't have to wear a mask.

02:21:28.000 And it's like, then a couple weeks later, they're like, actually, you have to.

02:21:33.000 It's mandatory.

02:21:34.000 Yeah, the whole COVID thing is a different...

02:21:37.000 It's different.

02:21:38.000 Well, and you sent me a text or something.

02:21:41.000 I thought, man, this is blown out of proportion.

02:21:43.000 And I think you said definitely for people like with me.

02:21:47.000 And one of the...

02:21:51.000 If everybody was like you, it would be a bad cold.

02:21:54.000 I hope you don't get it, but if you do, take a lot of vitamin C, drink a lot of liquids, get a lot of rest.

02:22:00.000 But the problem is obese people, diabetics, older folks. 1.00

02:22:05.000 I don't want to beat a dead horse to death, but I really, really would like, not to sound too...

02:22:10.000 What's the word?

02:22:11.000 Liberal tree hugger-ish.

02:22:13.000 Like, I really wish bottled water as we're drinking it.

02:22:16.000 I'd like to see more options for filling up an algae.

02:22:19.000 I would like to see more options for people for health.

02:22:22.000 Like, God forbid we spend all this money on stuff.

02:22:25.000 Like, it wouldn't be horrible for the government to spend money and get some free dieticians out. 0.95

02:22:31.000 I mean, I don't have a plan for this. 0.99

02:22:33.000 But knowing as a converted fat kid, like, fuck, I wish I had some help when I was younger. 0.99

02:22:38.000 Do you remember when Trump had that lady that was telling everybody not to touch their face and then she licked her finger and then turned the page? 1.00

02:22:44.000 Yeah.

02:22:44.000 Oh, my God.

02:22:45.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

02:22:46.000 But that's when, you know, when we're talking about health experts and things along those lines, that's the kind of shit that you see sometimes. 0.99

02:22:54.000 And it just makes you go, God, people are so weird. 0.99

02:22:56.000 Just human beings.

02:22:58.000 We're so weird.

02:22:58.000 What we concentrate on and what's important to us.

02:23:01.000 So strange.

02:23:02.000 You're from New York originally?

02:23:04.000 I was born in New Jersey, but from 13 on I grew up in Boston.

02:23:10.000 Not to reverse the roles here, but what made you get into hunting?

02:23:14.000 Well, I had seen a bunch of those PETA videos and I was like, I'm going to do one of two things.

02:23:20.000 Either I'm going to become a vegetarian or I'm going to become a hunter.

02:23:24.000 And then Rinella took me hunting on a show and I dropped a mule deer.

02:23:29.000 The moment the deer dropped, I was like, okay, I'm doing this from now on.

02:23:33.000 And then the moment we ate it by campfire, I'm like, this is the best meal I probably ever have in my life.

02:23:38.000 And it just made me realize, like, we cooked it.

02:23:41.000 We left some of it in it.

02:23:42.000 We hung it up in a tree because it was pretty late when we shot it.

02:23:45.000 We took the organs.

02:23:46.000 And then we fried up some liver and onions.

02:23:49.000 And we fried up some heart by the campfire.

02:23:53.000 And I remember thinking while I was eating that, like, this is the most satisfying meal I've ever had in my life.

02:23:58.000 This is how I'm going to live from now on.

02:23:59.000 So take that and multiply it by 100. That's how I feel with a recurve.

02:24:03.000 I don't know how else to explain it.

02:24:05.000 I get it.

02:24:06.000 I get it.

02:24:07.000 It's just, I mean, something about watching that arrow fly through the air after all that hard work. 0.98

02:24:12.000 Now, you may want to snap that fucker in half several times on the way to finally hitting an animal, but being a guy, I'm driven, I'm goal-oriented, you know, I really like the challenge, I like to practice, I like all that. 0.99

02:24:23.000 I get it. 1.00

02:24:24.000 I totally get it.

02:24:25.000 I would imagine that the connection is so much more intense.

02:24:29.000 Than even with a compound bow because you're dealing with all the cams and the engineering and all that jazz.

02:24:34.000 The noise, right?

02:24:35.000 Getting closer, like the different things you have to do.

02:24:37.000 It is hard for me to explain to...

02:24:40.000 I have a little bit different perspective because I've come from the compound side.

02:24:46.000 I shot my caribou at 127 yards.

02:24:49.000 I've gotten bashed for that, right?

02:24:50.000 And I'm like, hey...

02:24:51.000 That's a crazy shot.

02:24:52.000 But if you're trying to shoot a caribou, a lot of times you can't get very close.

02:24:56.000 Yeah, we couldn't get close.

02:24:57.000 But I... Without me getting bashed too much about shooting long distance, now I really...

02:25:03.000 I mean, getting sub-10 yards from an animal is pretty freaking cool.

02:25:07.000 I can imagine.

02:25:08.000 It is.

02:25:08.000 And, you know, when people are thinking about trying it out, give it a try, right?

02:25:12.000 One thing good, you can do it with your kids.

02:25:15.000 Do you ever get to a point where you're like, I'm going to make my own arrowheads? 1.00

02:25:18.000 Fuck no, not yet. 0.99

02:25:19.000 I'm going to cut my own sticks and whittle my own arrows. 1.00

02:25:22.000 Like, you can really full-on Comanche.

02:25:26.000 I've had a lot of people message me about that, and...

02:25:30.000 And Amy, right now, I can tell you that.

02:25:32.000 I am very accurate with that.

02:25:34.000 Well, we just shot that tournament with Luke and the group and the compound trad. 0.97

02:25:38.000 Luke was so happy because at the end, he asked a bunch of compound guys what their scores were so he could give them shit because mine was higher. 0.99

02:25:47.000 Because everybody was giving him shit about, how do you let Aaron beat you with a stick bow? 1.00

02:25:51.000 And he's like, screw you guys. 1.00

02:25:52.000 You come do it because I've taken a bunch of money from him. 0.98

02:25:55.000 I like that accuracy.

02:25:57.000 Even though it's not where I was with a compound...

02:26:00.000 I don't know that I'll never build my own bow, but I would say the chances are highly unlikely.

02:26:06.000 I'm pretty happy where I'm at right now.

02:26:08.000 Building a bow by yourself, you mean cutting a wood and actually constructing a bow out of the wood?

02:26:13.000 Yeah, and probably the best guy that...

02:26:16.000 Clay Hayes is a real traditional dude.

02:26:19.000 He's...

02:26:20.000 So not even a recurve.

02:26:21.000 He's using like a regular long bow.

02:26:23.000 Self bow.

02:26:23.000 Cut it out of his front yard.

02:26:24.000 Jesus.

02:26:25.000 What kind of wood would you use for that?

02:26:27.000 Well, they have bow dart trees, which is...

02:26:30.000 Actually, I don't know what the real...

02:26:32.000 Osage maybe is what a bow dart tree is.

02:26:34.000 Anyway... 0.99

02:26:35.000 I'm not an expert at this shit, and I don't plan on being... 0.99

02:26:37.000 I mean, I got an aluminum riser right now, so what am I talking about? 0.99

02:26:40.000 But the thing is...

02:26:41.000 See, that seems crazy.

02:26:42.000 Well...

02:26:42.000 When you're using a traditional bow, but it's made out of aluminum, like...

02:26:45.000 I know, right?

02:26:46.000 I'm kind of cheating.

02:26:47.000 Yeah, I was just going to say I get hate mail all the time for it.

02:26:49.000 Do you really? 1.00

02:26:50.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:26:50.000 You always say I get hate mail all the time for you, and I always say, why are you reading that shit? 1.00

02:26:55.000 You're right, and I will say you have been a good influence because I probably in the last... 0.98

02:27:01.000 Five years, I have really gotten to a point where it takes a lot for me to get any engagement or any rise out of it.

02:27:10.000 I just read them and laugh because I'm like, yeah, whatever, that's your opinion.

02:27:13.000 But the problem is with me, not problem, I answer so many tech questions.

02:27:19.000 I try to be super involved with our customers as well as guys that need help.

02:27:22.000 So you have to read some emails.

02:27:24.000 And some of them I just laugh at.

02:27:26.000 But I will say like... 1.00

02:27:29.000 Like that stupid trad vein I came up with, it's not stupid. 0.99

02:27:32.000 I thought that would be good for the community. 1.00

02:27:35.000 Fuck no. 1.00

02:27:36.000 I don't know what you're talking about. 1.00

02:27:37.000 It's a vein you can shoot out of a stick bow.

02:27:40.000 You mean the feathers for people?

02:27:42.000 No, the feathers for the arrows.

02:27:43.000 So feathers are for generally traditional archers shoot feathers.

02:27:47.000 And they do that because it has to contact the riser and it flattens out easier?

02:27:51.000 Flattens out.

02:27:52.000 So it's more accurate.

02:27:53.000 Yes, exactly, because you don't get to bounce off the ship.

02:27:56.000 Right.

02:27:56.000 Like you would with a plastic vein like you do with a compound bow.

02:28:00.000 Right.

02:28:01.000 It hits the shelf and bounces.

02:28:03.000 You get contact, bounces off.

02:28:05.000 So I had that goat hunt.

02:28:07.000 I got a hold of the guys at AAE and I was like, hey, let's get this.

02:28:11.000 I don't care if you sell them.

02:28:12.000 I just want them.

02:28:13.000 Well, I thought that would have been – this is how weird the traditional archery community is for me.

02:28:17.000 I thought that would be a positive for guys that do backpack hunts and it was for a lot of guys.

02:28:22.000 I got – I made the mistake of reading a few online traditional archery forums about myself, and that was a bad idea because I was like the devil because of those veins.

02:28:32.000 Because they want them to be feathers.

02:28:34.000 Yeah, I'm like the Antichrist or something.

02:28:36.000 They want it to be feathers because it's traditional?

02:28:38.000 It's traditional, yeah.

02:28:39.000 Even though the wood is made from a CNC machine, their riser, and their limbs have carbon in them.

02:28:44.000 No, people are weird.

02:28:46.000 People are weird, especially when people get into tradition, traditional things.

02:28:51.000 They get very strange.

02:28:52.000 Yeah, and I don't, man, like with me, I don't care if you hunt in pink underwear and use a whatever the hell, Dave and Goliath, whatever, the bow, so you do whatever makes you happy.

02:29:01.000 I just want people to get outdoors and get off the couch, but, you know, everybody has different opinions and perspectives and whatever else, but for me, that was just a tool that increased my opportunity while I was out there, but it was definitely frowned upon by some. 1.00

02:29:15.000 Yeah, fuck them. 0.99

02:29:17.000 Don't you think that this would be a really good time for some sort of hunting education, like a program that people can enter, where they could be taught adult-onset hunting, people who are adults learn how to do it, someone take you out. 1.00

02:29:31.000 I mean, I know there's a few people that do similar things out there, but man, it would be real nice, especially when When COVID happened and people realized, hey, this food supply chain is a little sketchy.

02:29:44.000 We don't really have any toilet paper here.

02:29:47.000 My buddy went to the grocery store and said there was one package of ground meat.

02:29:51.000 That was all that was there.

02:29:52.000 And I was like, yeah, man, that could go sideways.

02:29:55.000 It was pretty crazy.

02:29:56.000 Some of my neighbors that were not keen on me taking my own animals and all the food I had in the deep freezer that all of a sudden wanted to come.

02:30:06.000 They were not keen on it?

02:30:07.000 Like, did they tell you they weren't keen on it?

02:30:09.000 Yeah, you could see they're pretty down on it.

02:30:11.000 Did they say something to you? 1.00

02:30:12.000 Uh, you know, other than like, yeah, I'm not into hunting, like that, um, kind of underlying, you know, go fuck yourself, you shot an animal. 1.00

02:30:19.000 Right. 0.99

02:30:20.000 And, but they ate meat, you know, so I, whatever, however you want to look at that.

02:30:24.000 That's the weirdest.

02:30:25.000 And then when COVID hit, because I do, I eat four or five hundred pounds a year, pretty easy of meat, um, Maybe more than that.

02:30:31.000 Plus, you know, I give my daughter and whatever.

02:30:33.000 Anyway, I, some of them had come over and were like, hey, can we try some of that?

02:30:38.000 I'm like, yeah, I don't, you know, I'm always going to encourage people to try it.

02:30:41.000 And then now it's obviously worked out because they're addicted to it.

02:30:43.000 They love it.

02:30:44.000 Once you taste it.

02:30:46.000 Yeah, it's so good for you, too.

02:30:48.000 It just feels better when you eat it.

02:30:49.000 You like, if you eat a real nice elk steak, like you get like energy.

02:30:54.000 It's weird.

02:30:54.000 It's hard to describe to people.

02:30:56.000 It is.

02:30:56.000 And I mean, you also have, like for me, the fact that, you know, the way I got it, it just adds to the whole experience, which is hard to explain.

02:31:05.000 But I think that as a whole, like land navigation, you know, how to break down an animal, you know, animal behavior.

02:31:13.000 Yeah, that'd be a hell of a class that I think wouldn't be a horrible time to.

02:31:16.000 Yeah, I think it would be great for people.

02:31:17.000 I mean, I wouldn't say do it with archery.

02:31:19.000 I would say do it with a rifle, you know, especially people that don't have any experience in it.

02:31:23.000 But I think that would be incredibly rewarding.

02:31:25.000 It's not something that everybody can do.

02:31:27.000 Well, people always say that when you talk about hunting as being a method of acquiring your meat.

02:31:32.000 Like, hey, we don't have to factory farm.

02:31:34.000 Hunting is still a possibility.

02:31:35.000 People go, well, you know, you can't feed everyone with hunting.

02:31:37.000 And they're right.

02:31:38.000 You really can't.

02:31:39.000 But guess what?

02:31:40.000 Everyone's not going to do it.

02:31:41.000 It's like everything else.

02:31:42.000 It's like, you know, the whole world can't go to jujitsu class.

02:31:46.000 It would be too packed.

02:31:47.000 That's good, because most people are not going to do it anyway.

02:31:49.000 It's too hard.

02:31:50.000 It's the same thing with lifting weights.

02:31:52.000 It's the same thing with yoga.

02:31:53.000 It's the same thing with anything that's difficult.

02:31:55.000 Difficult things do not attract people.

02:31:57.000 They attract some people.

02:31:58.000 They attract people that are interested in challenges.

02:32:02.000 Yeah, and I would say the only thing if you did that, you'd probably want the shooting of the weapon to be the last portion because a lot of people would want to just do that and then bounce.

02:32:11.000 You'd have to earn your way to that.

02:32:13.000 You'd have to have a curriculum, right?

02:32:15.000 Oh, yeah.

02:32:15.000 Well, and I talk about that easy button that people hit all the time.

02:32:18.000 One of the things I got most thankful for is I came up with a time with no rangefinder.

02:32:23.000 I had to learn to range.

02:32:25.000 How did you range with no rangefinder?

02:32:27.000 Did you learn how to recognize actual distance of things by thinking of it in terms of body sizes?

02:32:34.000 First it was a tape.

02:32:35.000 We'd measure.

02:32:37.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:38.000 You'd roll it out and we would have different courses or whatever.

02:32:42.000 When I say we didn't have rangefinders, Right when I started, there was like a Bushnell 500. The thing was the size of this freaking notebook. 0.94

02:32:49.000 It was giant. 0.97

02:32:51.000 It was a mono, an ocular.

02:32:55.000 And that was like the first one.

02:32:56.000 And then they had some other ones that were probably available to people that had a lot of money.

02:33:00.000 But you would be pacing it out.

02:33:02.000 My step is a yard.

02:33:03.000 And so I measured out or we were at a range and I'd make sure how far everything was.

02:33:08.000 I would pace it out.

02:33:09.000 So I would guess the yardage and I would pace it.

02:33:11.000 Guess the yardage and I would pace it.

02:33:12.000 I've heard of archery competitions where they don't let you use a range finder.

02:33:15.000 So here's the thing with that.

02:33:19.000 So we talked about Levi before.

02:33:23.000 Levi Morgan has shot higher scores at times on unknown 3D courses where the known 3D course had a shot a lower score and those guys had range finders.

02:33:34.000 That's how good that dude is.

02:33:36.000 So when you say unknown, you mean 3D courses where you can't use a rangefinder.

02:33:41.000 So you're shooting at targets, and you have to guesstimate.

02:33:44.000 Yep, and he guesses the yardage.

02:33:45.000 And there's another class, shoots from the same stakes, and they get rangefinders.

02:33:50.000 Levi has beaten them with no rangefinder.

02:33:53.000 That's insane. 0.99

02:33:53.000 That's how fucking good that guy is. 0.99

02:33:55.000 That's insane. 0.99

02:33:55.000 When people talk about... 0.99

02:33:57.000 Because you get guys like, I would say, me and Cam.

02:34:00.000 Not a tournament guy.

02:34:02.000 Cam's shooting 160-yard shots.

02:34:04.000 Great shot.

02:34:05.000 Or even Dudley.

02:34:07.000 Dudley, amazing shot.

02:34:08.000 But when you look at a Levi Morgan, if you dig into him...

02:34:12.000 13 ASA World Championships in a row that that guy won.

02:34:16.000 That's pretty crazy. 0.98

02:34:17.000 And he's still shooting today, and then you think he's hitting fucking quarters not knowing the distance out of 50 yards. 0.98

02:34:22.000 It really is crazy that someone could win something that competitive 13 years in a row. 0.97

02:34:26.000 I mean, it's hard to believe.

02:34:28.000 Well, I mean, about the time, like, my wife is making my head too big, I'll pull up YouTube and have her watch an ASA with, like, Gillingham and Levi or Dan McCarthy.

02:34:39.000 And I'm like, these guys are good, honey.

02:34:41.000 I'm just okay. 0.99

02:34:42.000 Like, these guys are fucking unbelievable. 0.99

02:34:43.000 It's an obsession, right? 0.99

02:34:45.000 Archery is a weird Zen obsession.

02:34:48.000 I try to explain to people, like, if I never hunted again for the rest of my life, if I never even ate meat for the rest of my life, I would definitely shoot bows and arrows.

02:34:58.000 I would definitely practice archery.

02:35:00.000 Because there's something that happens when you concentrate on that target and the shot process and the shot breaks and that arrow sinks right into where you're looking at.

02:35:08.000 It's amazing.

02:35:09.000 It's a beautiful feeling.

02:35:11.000 That's extremely rewarding.

02:35:14.000 It would be hard for me.

02:35:15.000 I mean, what happened with me when I did that switch, right?

02:35:19.000 I found a new love for archery that I had lost because the newness ran away.

02:35:25.000 And I'm not saying I was perfect at it, but you can pick up a compound and shoot it and skip a week and still be pretty damn good with it.

02:35:35.000 Right.

02:35:36.000 That stick bow, you got to shoot it all the time.

02:35:38.000 So I got to a point where 15 years ago, I would take work off and call in sick to set up my new bow.

02:35:45.000 Like I was always been addicted to archery.

02:35:47.000 And then later on down the line, that newness wore off where now, well, I'm the boss, so I don't have to call in sick. 0.99

02:35:53.000 I am so, I mean, literally like a kid at a Christmas waiting for shit to come in with that recurve. 0.97

02:35:57.000 So it rejuvenated that love for archery. 0.99

02:36:01.000 And it kicks the shit out of you, and so that challenge, you know, when I say kicks the shit out of you, that challenge of practicing, it's pretty addictive. 0.84

02:36:08.000 I was actually surprised you haven't tried it more yet, but you may not have. 0.97

02:36:13.000 Traditional bow?

02:36:13.000 Yeah.

02:36:13.000 I just don't have the time.

02:36:14.000 I know what it is.

02:36:15.000 I know that it's going to take X amount of hours every single day, and I'm scared.

02:36:20.000 It's like the same reason why I won't play golf.

02:36:22.000 Yeah.

02:36:23.000 Like, I know me.

02:36:23.000 I'm not doing that.

02:36:24.000 I'm not walking around for eight hours a day, because then I would be doing it every day, and everything else would suffer.

02:36:29.000 That's why I don't do CrossFit, to be honest with you.

02:36:31.000 Because I'm super competitive. 1.00

02:36:32.000 Fuck, I fucking hate to lose. 1.00

02:36:33.000 I just watched that documentary. 1.00

02:36:35.000 There's a CrossFit documentary.

02:36:37.000 I forget what it's called.

02:36:38.000 It's The Fittest or something like that.

02:36:39.000 It shows the competitions. 1.00

02:36:41.000 It's like, fucking bonkers, Matt. 0.99

02:36:43.000 We had Matt Chan on the other day. 0.99

02:36:45.000 He took second in 2012 in the CrossFit Games. 0.98

02:36:48.000 I'm not a CrossFitter, so I don't know all the different shit. 0.91

02:36:50.000 But, I mean, he's fit, that's for sure. 0.89

02:36:52.000 But I've told Frank, I'm like, dude, I'm not good at not...

02:36:56.000 I'm giving everything I have. 0.88

02:36:57.000 And one, I'll probably fuck myself up physically, you know, trying too hard. 0.90

02:37:00.000 But two, the time to put into that with everything else I've got going on, my workout program's fine, you know. 0.60

02:37:06.000 So I'm like, dude, I got enough irons in the fire.

02:37:08.000 I don't want to dive into the CrossFit arena and get consumed by that as well as many other things. 0.97

02:37:12.000 Even photography takes time and all that shit. 0.98

02:37:15.000 All your hobbies take time. 0.98

02:37:16.000 The CrossFit thing, too.

02:37:18.000 I know too many people that have hurt themselves.

02:37:20.000 Yeah.

02:37:20.000 They push too hard and they hurt them.

02:37:22.000 I was just reading an article about a guy who was a CrossFit trainer who got rhabdo.

02:37:26.000 Rhabdomyelosis. 1.00

02:37:27.000 Oh, no shit. 1.00

02:37:28.000 Yeah, CrossFit trainer. 1.00

02:37:29.000 He's like, I'm a CrossFit instructor and I got rhabdo from a CrossFit workout.

02:37:32.000 But you're pushing yourself so hard with all those reps and you're doing it, trying to keep up with all the people that are in the class with you. 0.99

02:37:39.000 I get it's great for you, but for morons like me, probably not the best move. 0.99

02:37:43.000 I'm going to agree with you in that moron category on my end, because a moron like me, like, literally, like, Frank and I are competitive even though we're not competitive. 0.99

02:37:51.000 You know, we both want to do good. 1.00

02:37:53.000 If I go into a CrossFit gym and Frank beats me, it's not like I'm going to go home and be like, oh, shucks, I lost my mother, and I'm going to go, you know, full apeshit. 0.94

02:38:01.000 Exactly.

02:38:02.000 It is, again, I get, you know, guys get pissed or whatever about, you know, me. 0.98

02:38:07.000 I'm not talking shit about CrossFit. 0.80

02:38:08.000 I'm saying I do not, I would probably slack on form because of whatever the water, whatever it's called for the day. 0.99

02:38:15.000 I'd probably chintz on form and fuck myself up. 0.97

02:38:18.000 Look, I know you can fuck yourself up doing everything, and I've fucked myself up doing jujitsu multiple times. 0.99

02:38:22.000 I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, but... 0.98

02:38:25.000 You know, I've talked to people that are real, like, legit trainers, like Steve Maxwell, who said he doesn't like it because it's lifting weights as a sport.

02:38:34.000 He goes, lifting weights should be something you do that enhances sport.

02:38:37.000 He goes, particularly when you're doing Olympic movements.

02:38:39.000 He's like, Olympic movements shouldn't be done to maximum repetition. 0.99

02:38:42.000 He's like they should be done controlled and they should be done, you know a low number of reps and you're just trying to build strength, but Everyone's got their own thought process and when you look at those guys in those competitions and the girls the girls scare the fuck out of me There's some of those girls are built like fucking gorillas like that's crazy. 0.97

02:38:59.000 I don't know if that's good girls, but I don't know who's into that But the guys are obviously insanely fit so saying that it's not good for you seems silly It's obviously very good for them You know, some of those fucking dudes are so impressive. 0.95

02:39:14.000 I just worry about shoulder injuries. 0.91

02:39:16.000 Exactly.

02:39:16.000 Like the kip-ups thingy-dingies.

02:39:18.000 What are those called?

02:39:19.000 Kipper?

02:39:20.000 Kip-up, chin-ups.

02:39:21.000 And body muscle-ups. 0.99

02:39:24.000 Those things look like a recipe for me to fuck myself up. 0.99

02:39:26.000 Yeah, they're a recipe for a labrum tear. 1.00

02:39:29.000 But guys, a bunch of guys gave me shit when I set up my own gym. 0.99

02:39:31.000 They're like, it looks like a CrossFit gym. 0.98

02:39:32.000 And I'm like, yeah, I'm not doing any kip-ups, though. 0.95

02:39:34.000 Like, making jokes, but I do pretty simple.

02:39:37.000 Well, your gym looks like a functional strength gym, you know?

02:39:40.000 I do the most...

02:39:41.000 I do, you know, as far as, like...

02:39:43.000 I'll do one-arm dumbbell snatches. 0.99

02:39:45.000 I do some straight-leg deadlifts.

02:39:47.000 But I do everything in moderation.

02:39:48.000 And where I used to lift super heavy for power, like crazy heavy now... 1.00

02:39:52.000 Well, you used to be a big motherfucker, right? 0.99

02:39:54.000 I'm 70 pounds bigger than I am now. 1.00

02:39:56.000 Yeah.

02:39:57.000 That's so big.

02:39:58.000 Well, I got to...

02:39:59.000 I benched...

02:39:59.000 My goal was to bench over 500. Now, I... Before you get any dickheads emailing me, I cheated, right?

02:40:05.000 I used steroids. 0.99

02:40:06.000 And I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. 0.99

02:40:08.000 But I tell you what, when your wiener breaks from taking that, that'll make you stop doing anything. 0.98

02:40:11.000 Because that's what happened. 0.99

02:40:12.000 I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. 0.95

02:40:13.000 But I got to where I could lift pretty much anything I wanted. 0.98

02:40:17.000 I couldn't walk from me to Jamie and back without getting winded.

02:40:21.000 And so, I mean, I'll just...

02:40:26.000 Can I just list what I took?

02:40:28.000 It doesn't matter, right?

02:40:28.000 Sure.

02:40:28.000 So I was taking 250 milligrams or one milliliter of enanthate every three days.

02:40:35.000 So basically, I was taking three shots a week of enanthate.

02:40:38.000 I don't know what that is.

02:40:39.000 Is that hardcore stuff?

02:40:41.000 No, it's just testosterone, 250 milligrams.

02:40:44.000 So I take one shot of that a week now for being on...

02:40:48.000 Testosterone replacement therapy.

02:40:51.000 But I was also taking Ekapoise.

02:40:54.000 That's for horses. 0.99

02:40:55.000 Yes, it is.

02:40:56.000 I was taking Ekapoise.

02:40:58.000 I was taking...

02:40:59.000 That makes you super purple.

02:41:02.000 Deca.

02:41:03.000 I took Trinibolen for a while, but I could not handle Trin. 1.00

02:41:07.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:41:07.000 I hung a guy out of a building. 1.00

02:41:09.000 Trin is not good. 1.00

02:41:10.000 It's... 1.00

02:41:12.000 Superhuman strength, aggressive sex drive, but superhuman dickhead, too. 1.00

02:41:16.000 It's just not for me. 0.99

02:41:17.000 So I only took that for a little bit.

02:41:18.000 And I didn't take it for that long. 1.00

02:41:20.000 The one thing I found out is, one, there's a reason that you're not supposed to be on that shit. 0.99

02:41:24.000 And I'm not a religious guy, so I'm not going to say God didn't mean you to be that way. 0.99

02:41:27.000 But somebody didn't mean me to fucking be that way. 0.98

02:41:30.000 Well, you're monkeying with your structure. 0.98

02:41:33.000 You have a chemical and biological and hormonal structure of your body, and you're monkeying with that.

02:41:39.000 You know, you're adding massive amounts of muscle to your body.

02:41:42.000 You're adding superhuman levels of hormones to your body.

02:41:46.000 Well, and I, you know, I'm, I'm an, like, the first time I took ecopoids, it's a horse decongestant.

02:41:52.000 Is that what it is?

02:41:53.000 Decongestion? 0.99

02:41:54.000 Yeah, it's like cleans out the airways or opens up, it's a bronchial dilator, some hacking shit up. 0.96

02:41:58.000 I'm like, what am I getting sick? 0.99

02:41:59.000 Well, it's because I, you know, there's horses and pigs on the fucking container, right? 1.00

02:42:03.000 Idiot, right? 1.00

02:42:04.000 People ask me about it. 1.00

02:42:05.000 I'm like, don't do it.

02:42:06.000 Eat healthier.

02:42:08.000 You know, work out hard.

02:42:09.000 Like, I lost everything anyway, but the problem was, is in the middle of that, they have DECA, and they call it DECA-DIC, right?

02:42:15.000 It makes you, like, no sex drive.

02:42:17.000 And I wasn't taking anything to...

02:42:18.000 Because I watched Hidalgo, right?

02:42:22.000 And the horse fell in the pit with my daughter, and I started crying.

02:42:24.000 What is Hidalgo?

02:42:25.000 It's a movie, right?

02:42:26.000 Anyway, the horse falls in the pit, and the horse gets, like, a spear in its leg, and I'm crying. 0.95

02:42:31.000 I'm like, what in the fuck is wrong with me? 0.95

02:42:33.000 Oh, you're emotional. 0.99

02:42:35.000 Jesus, my estrogen levels were like through the roof. 0.98

02:42:38.000 So I looked, and like an idiot, I was taking, I had 200 milligram per milliliter Deca, and then I had another bottle that was like 400 or something, and I got them mixed up, so I was doubling up on Deca. 0.94

02:42:50.000 How long did you do this for? 0.96

02:42:53.000 Maybe a year and a half.

02:42:54.000 Did you get yourself checked out after it was over?

02:42:56.000 Oh, yeah.

02:42:57.000 Well, when I first got off, I wish I had a photo.

02:43:00.000 I don't know if we could pull one up, how big I got.

02:43:02.000 I look like that rock on Fantastic Four. 0.98

02:43:04.000 It's fucking weird looking. 0.98

02:43:05.000 Dude, I had Ronnie Coleman in here a couple weeks ago. 0.98

02:43:08.000 First of all, what a great guy.

02:43:10.000 So nice.

02:43:11.000 So friendly and so happy, even though he's basically broken.

02:43:16.000 How many back surgeries did he say he had?

02:43:21.000 Something crazy.

02:43:23.000 Yeah, like more than 10 back surgeries.

02:43:26.000 I read an article that said 13, but I don't know.

02:43:28.000 And that was probably it.

02:43:29.000 His entire back is basically fused.

02:43:31.000 Yeah.

02:43:32.000 But when you look at him when he was Mr. Olympia, you know, when he was winning?

02:43:35.000 Yeah.

02:43:36.000 Jesus.

02:43:37.000 Yeah.

02:43:37.000 Jesus.

02:43:38.000 I mean, that a human being can get that big.

02:43:40.000 Oh, it's insane.

02:43:42.000 And I mean, I only scratched, like I didn't put the, you know, he's done it his whole life, right?

02:43:46.000 Those guys are freaks.

02:43:47.000 Phil Heath lives by us in Denver.

02:43:48.000 You'll see him every now and then you're used to, and he's a new kind of one guy like Ronnie.

02:43:53.000 The thing is, though, it's like you go into a gym and grab two 200-pound dumbbells and you start doing incline binge with no spotter.

02:44:00.000 You know, grabbing some looks, but I genetically was not built to lift that heavy, right?

02:44:06.000 There's some help involved in that.

02:44:08.000 But I got to a point where I was super emotional and not like a – I don't believe really in the roid rage thing because I never got that.

02:44:16.000 What are you talking about?

02:44:17.000 You're just telling me you're hanging a guy off the side of a building.

02:44:20.000 That's word rage.

02:44:20.000 Yeah, well, let me finish.

02:44:22.000 Good point.

02:44:23.000 But I think if you just take an increased amount of, like, testosterone and anabolic in general, if you're a happy guy, you're happy.

02:44:33.000 If you're a sad guy, you're sad. 0.99

02:44:34.000 And if you're a dickhead, you're more of a dickhead. 0.99

02:44:36.000 The thing with, well, Trent, that's why I got off it. 1.00

02:44:40.000 That was one thing for me that definitely, I just, I was changing psychologically.

02:44:45.000 When I got off, it was the problem.

02:44:48.000 Like, emotionally, I was a wreck.

02:44:50.000 Like, that's the closest, I'm not like a suicidal guy.

02:44:53.000 That's the closest where my brain just didn't function right.

02:44:56.000 And then I got off cold turkey and Whatever.

02:44:58.000 Well, that is a big issue with kids, young kids.

02:45:01.000 Their endocrine system crashes and just like we were talking about with soldiers that have been blown up a bunch or football players or fighters, your body's not producing testosterone correctly. 0.99

02:45:11.000 After you get off that shit, you get really, really depressed for some people. 0.98

02:45:14.000 Bigorexia is what they were telling me because I was afraid to go to the gym because I was shrinking. 1.00

02:45:19.000 Oh, right.

02:45:19.000 So you know what I did is I joined Planet Fitness.

02:45:22.000 Perfect.

02:45:22.000 You can hide in there and be little and fit right in.

02:45:25.000 You can't even make noise.

02:45:25.000 No, I know, right?

02:45:26.000 Kick you out. 0.99

02:45:27.000 Lunk alarm. 0.99

02:45:27.000 Have you seen that alarm? 0.99

02:45:28.000 Have you ever seen an alarm go off?

02:45:30.000 Yeah.

02:45:31.000 So there was a couple muscle heads that went in there, I think, to prove it in one of the gyms that I went to.

02:45:36.000 And they were grunting and deadlifting.

02:45:38.000 They kicked them out.

02:45:39.000 They pull your membership.

02:45:40.000 That's so crazy.

02:45:41.000 You can't try hard.

02:45:42.000 I know, right?

02:45:43.000 If you're lifting heavy, you're going to like...

02:45:46.000 If you do that, they're like, hey, you're trying too hard.

02:45:50.000 We don't want that here.

02:45:51.000 It was weird for me.

02:45:52.000 I'm not a weight dropper, but definitely if you're doing a deadlift, there's something, and it's heavy, something's probably going to come out of you, right?

02:45:59.000 You're going to do some grunting.

02:46:01.000 I'm a grunter, bro.

02:46:02.000 And so I don't...

02:46:04.000 I'm not the guy that makes a crazy amount of noise in the gym, but there's times where it's last couple, you know...

02:46:10.000 Yeah.

02:46:11.000 Oh, yeah, it's frowned upon.

02:46:13.000 So I went there for like six months, which I will say was the smartest thing I could have done.

02:46:17.000 There was no temptation. 0.98

02:46:18.000 There's Tootsie Rolls in a fucking basket at the front of it, right? 0.98

02:46:20.000 Is there really? 0.99

02:46:21.000 Oh, yeah.

02:46:22.000 They serve Tootsie Rolls?

02:46:23.000 Pizza?

02:46:24.000 They serve pizza? 1.00

02:46:24.000 Oh, it's the weirdest shit I've ever seen. 1.00

02:46:26.000 At that place and space in my life, it was what I needed because I had no temptation. 0.99

02:46:30.000 I just think it's amazing that they would set up a place where they're encouraging you to not try too hard.

02:46:35.000 And they do well.

02:46:37.000 I'm sure!

02:46:38.000 That's how people like it.

02:46:39.000 I was laughing because...

02:46:40.000 Well, I'd say laughing. 0.99

02:46:41.000 Like, for me, once I got out of it, you know, I was like, that is the strangest shit I've ever seen. 1.00

02:46:46.000 There's a gym that wants you to be fat. 1.00

02:46:48.000 That's strange.

02:46:49.000 Because they do.

02:46:50.000 There's Pizza Tuesdays or whatever.

02:46:52.000 Do they want you to be fat or do they just encourage you to not intimidate the other people with your performance?

02:46:59.000 Is that what it is?

02:46:59.000 Probably, because I was definitely the oddball at the one I went to.

02:47:03.000 That's so weird.

02:47:04.000 Like, I would do calf raises, and I would put two 45s on each side on the ground, and then I would put four 45s on the, like a Smith machine, and I'm just doing calf drops.

02:47:14.000 Right. 0.99

02:47:15.000 Oh, that got shit-canned immediately. 0.98

02:47:16.000 They told you not to do it? 0.99

02:47:18.000 Yeah.

02:47:18.000 For one, they said I was taking all the weights up, and two, they said that's not, they didn't kick me off totally, they said that is frowned upon here.

02:47:26.000 And I was like...

02:47:26.000 What is frowned upon here?

02:47:27.000 Calf raises?

02:47:28.000 Because how I was doing it.

02:47:31.000 And I was like, this is strange.

02:47:33.000 But I can't, again, it was good for me at that time to get off.

02:47:37.000 Because, dude, that was the hardest thing mentally that I had to do in a while.

02:47:41.000 That is everything I hate about America.

02:47:42.000 Yeah.

02:47:43.000 Like that whole, just the idea behind that.

02:47:45.000 Don't try too hard.

02:47:47.000 Just like, no, no, no, not here.

02:47:48.000 Here we're going to use 45% exertion.

02:47:51.000 Dude, I get in trouble a lot. 0.98

02:47:53.000 I get called a dick for... 1.00

02:47:55.000 Being the guy that's rub some dirt in your crotch and get the fuck up and go. 1.00

02:48:00.000 Rub some dirt in your crotch. 1.00

02:48:02.000 Is that real good advice? 1.00

02:48:03.000 It gets a point across, right?

02:48:06.000 Well, when guys will ask me certain pieces of advice that they need, like a, they need someone like maybe you or me or Ronella or whoever to give them a, oh man, that's okay. 0.98

02:48:18.000 I'm not that fucking guy. 0.99

02:48:19.000 Don't send me a message where you think you're going to get some kind of, you know, Oh, it's okay that you suck. 1.00

02:48:25.000 You know, keep going. 1.00

02:48:26.000 Like, I try to circle myself with people that tell me I suck to try harder. 0.96

02:48:29.000 That makes sense? 0.98

02:48:30.000 Yeah.

02:48:30.000 And I get messages and I'm like, dude...

02:48:33.000 No, that's not okay. 1.00

02:48:34.000 I'm like, you're fucking weak. 1.00

02:48:35.000 Just push harder. 1.00

02:48:36.000 That's the key.

02:48:37.000 Keep trying.

02:48:38.000 Well, the only problem with that kind of advice is some people start off with a terrible base, right?

02:48:42.000 If you're a person that doesn't have any athletic background, no exercise at all, you really do have to start off light.

02:48:48.000 And I tell people all the time, like, if you're just starting exercise, if you work in an office, you're in a cubicle, you're completely sedentary, All you have to do is just start walking.

02:48:58.000 Just start with walks.

02:48:59.000 Then do some push-ups.

02:49:00.000 Do a few things.

02:49:02.000 Don't do anything crazy.

02:49:03.000 That's great advice.

02:49:04.000 That's the advice I'm giving, though, is that type of advice.

02:49:07.000 Like when they send me their diet plan, and it's the diet plan of a Greek god, and I'm like... 0.99

02:49:13.000 Yeah, you're fucking lying. 1.00

02:49:14.000 Like, you're not doing that shit. 1.00

02:49:15.000 Like, that's what I'm talking about. 0.99

02:49:17.000 I totally agree with what you're saying, but think about it.

02:49:19.000 If I messaged you and said, hey, man, I've been eating 80 grams of carbs a day.

02:49:23.000 I'm walking four miles, no soda.

02:49:25.000 I'm still 260 pounds at 5'9".

02:49:28.000 I think something's wrong. 0.98

02:49:29.000 And it's like, yeah, you're fucking lying to yourself is what's wrong. 0.98

02:49:32.000 Or maybe something's really wrong. 0.99

02:49:33.000 You need to go to a doctor.

02:49:34.000 I've said that, too, because you, I have...

02:49:38.000 I've met a lot of people with thyroid problems.

02:49:42.000 Yeah, definitely that. 0.97

02:49:43.000 But you can get checked out and so I am probably not the best for advice because literally if you're the guy that's gotten checked out and you're just making excuses, I'm like, dude, just quit fucking lying to yourself and push more.

02:49:55.000 It is kind of crazy how many people lie about how often they work out and what they do.

02:49:59.000 Yeah.

02:49:59.000 It's really sad.

02:50:01.000 Yeah.

02:50:01.000 Well, and again, I probably sound jaded, but coming as a recovering fat kid myself, right?

02:50:06.000 Like, fuck, I wake up and eat peanut butter. 1.00

02:50:07.000 My wife has to hide the shit, right? 1.00

02:50:09.000 I got problems. 1.00

02:50:09.000 So I know where they're coming from. 1.00

02:50:11.000 You say that, but I've never seen you fat.

02:50:14.000 In all the years I've known you, you've always been fit.

02:50:16.000 But I always say I'm fat, so I don't get that way.

02:50:18.000 Exactly.

02:50:18.000 But that's the mentality.

02:50:19.000 That's the right mentality versus the mentality that lies about how often you work out and what you eat.

02:50:24.000 Well, and, you know...

02:50:26.000 Again, I call myself fat and I always will because I never want to be fat again.

02:50:32.000 I got up to 260 when I got out of the army.

02:50:35.000 Did you ever get to a point where you were making your own meals for the backcountry?

02:50:38.000 Did you ever use a dehydrator?

02:50:40.000 I do that now.

02:50:41.000 Do you do that now?

02:50:42.000 Yeah.

02:50:42.000 What do you cook?

02:50:43.000 What kind of stuff do you make?

02:50:44.000 So rewind, the cheapest meal I can get if I'm in a hurry and I can't make it is I get brown rice top ramen and olive oil tuna.

02:50:51.000 For people listening, that is a cheap way to do it.

02:50:54.000 So tuna and olive oil, brown rice top ramen?

02:50:58.000 Yep.

02:50:58.000 What is brown rice top ramen?

02:51:00.000 It's just a healthier top ramen.

02:51:01.000 And then I make my own seasoning so it's not loaded with sodium.

02:51:05.000 But when I make a meal, and there's multiple ways to do that, the super easiest is just take...

02:51:14.000 Elk steak, right?

02:51:15.000 Or elk, a roast.

02:51:17.000 Cook the roast like you normally would.

02:51:19.000 And then in that roast, I'll cut up sweet potatoes and I'll put in veggies in there, just basically make kind of a stew.

02:51:25.000 And then in that, then I, and I put a, so when I do that though, I put a ton of olive oil in it because of the fat.

02:51:31.000 And then I have trays on the dehydrator, and they're the trays where it's like a Frisbee, so it can't go through. 0.85

02:51:37.000 So I've got elk, sweet potatoes, olive oil, I'll usually put in like broccoli, shit like that.

02:51:42.000 And the sweet potatoes I cut up relatively small. 0.86

02:51:46.000 I dehydrate it.

02:51:47.000 It's that simple.

02:51:48.000 Do you have to, when you make a meal like that with a dehydrated, do you have to add extra seasoning so that it tastes good when you rehydrate it?

02:51:54.000 There's two ways to do it.

02:51:55.000 What I encourage people to do is not add as much seasoning when you cook it because it will be hard to get it right.

02:52:00.000 Meaning...

02:52:02.000 Everyone might if you're if you got a buddy or or Depending upon what the meal is some meals are more flavorful than others some are more bland I added after okay, so when you're in it's like you pour boiling water into it and then you add the seasoning on top of that so what I do is I You can do it in a Ziploc bag,

02:52:20.000 but the easiest thing is those just cheap plastic containers, or you can put in a titanium one.

02:52:26.000 It doesn't matter.

02:52:27.000 But once I, you know, kick it off, boil it, get it rehydrated, get the boiling water in there, I just put a lid on it, let it sit for 10 minutes, not very long, or boil it until it is if I have extra fuel, and then it's ready to go just like that, just like a mountain house.

02:52:41.000 Same principle.

02:52:42.000 Dude, nothing makes me fart harder than mountain houses.

02:52:45.000 Yeah. 0.83

02:52:45.000 Yeah, and it turns your poop funny colors. 0.83

02:52:47.000 Like, MREs is an orange, and Mountain House is a green.

02:52:51.000 I've never pooped green, at least I did, and I did look at it, but the smells that were coming out of my body last time I ate Mountain House, it's just like, Christ. 1.00

02:52:59.000 The shit cannot be good for you. 0.99

02:53:01.000 It's got a lot of sodium, and most people are like, why does it matter? 1.00

02:53:03.000 It's like, hmm, 150 nights a year, it fucking matters. 0.91

02:53:05.000 Like, I have got to, I can't eat those things all the time, so... 0.95

02:53:10.000 There's a few new companies, Off Grid's pretty healthy, that I use.

02:53:13.000 But when I make my own, I will take Idahoan potatoes, and then at home, I make for shepherd's pie.

02:53:21.000 And then what I've made and put in the dehydrator, I just mix it with Idahoan potatoes, so I make my own shepherd's pie.

02:53:27.000 So you dehydrate it, and then do you vacuum seal it in little packets?

02:53:30.000 It depends.

02:53:31.000 If I'm...

02:53:32.000 A lot of times, no.

02:53:33.000 I actually just put it in a Ziploc bag.

02:53:36.000 Really?

02:53:36.000 Because the vacuum seal thing, it helps, but if I'm making it per trip or per month...

02:53:42.000 You're not trying to get it to stay forever.

02:53:44.000 Yeah, I'm not worried about it.

02:53:45.000 So, yeah, that's one of the things.

02:53:47.000 But there's other ways to cheat the...

02:53:49.000 I say cheat the system, but there is other ways that you can...

02:53:53.000 Save money, eat healthier, you know, when you're out there.

02:53:56.000 And a lot of guys, if you're only going for seven days, it's not that big of a deal.

02:53:59.000 But long term, you really got to think ahead.

02:54:01.000 I would also imagine that it gives you an extra sense of satisfaction that you're doing something.

02:54:05.000 Like you're creating your own meals.

02:54:06.000 And while you're eating that, you know this is a meal from an animal that you shot yourself.

02:54:11.000 You put the meal together yourself.

02:54:12.000 You dehydrate it.

02:54:13.000 Now you're rehydrating it.

02:54:14.000 That extra sense of satisfaction that you're doing something.

02:54:17.000 It is.

02:54:19.000 Actually, I've done it so much now that satisfaction is almost kind of, again, desensitized.

02:54:24.000 We're talking 20 years.

02:54:26.000 It's normal.

02:54:27.000 What's weird and what's not normal is when people look at me like I'm weird that I do it.

02:54:31.000 That is weird for me.

02:54:32.000 I'm like...

02:54:33.000 What?

02:54:34.000 It's not...

02:54:34.000 I'm like, you cook burger, don't you?

02:54:36.000 Like, really, people come over and...

02:54:38.000 Well, my wife's a real estate agent. 0.87

02:54:40.000 She gives a package to the people that want a wild game. 0.99

02:54:45.000 Dude, it's like the smartest thing she ever thought of because I don't... 0.97

02:54:48.000 I've never bought elk, but I guess it's fucking expensive if you go buy it. 0.94

02:54:52.000 Try to get. 0.96

02:54:52.000 Yeah, so she'll do like a package of wild game as a thank you if she sells a house. 0.96

02:54:56.000 Mm-hmm.

02:54:56.000 They'll call and she has all kinds of recipes or whatever.

02:54:59.000 So when people come over and they're like, what are we eating?

02:55:01.000 And I'm like, oh, that's mountain goat and that's moose there.

02:55:04.000 And then we have like jalapeno cheeseburger and we'll mix it with our dad because our dad's kind of a weird flavor.

02:55:09.000 What does our dad taste like?

02:55:11.000 Because everybody is varied on that.

02:55:13.000 Some people say it's terrible.

02:55:14.000 Some people say it's delicious.

02:55:16.000 I would say the taste is good.

02:55:17.000 It's tough.

02:55:18.000 It's tough, chewy.

02:55:20.000 So it's good, like a braise it and cook it, slow cook it? 0.90

02:55:24.000 So I don't think you can fuck up anything. 0.99

02:55:25.000 You slow cook. 0.97

02:55:26.000 That's the thing when people are, I'm like, how do you fuck up a roast? 0.96

02:55:29.000 But if you, like I took a backstrap or a tenderloin and cooked it, it was pretty tough.

02:55:34.000 So we make everything into burger, salami, you know, pepperoni sticks or whatever out of the outdad.

02:55:40.000 Now, is it my first choice?

02:55:42.000 No.

02:55:43.000 But I tell you, the burger's pretty flavorful.

02:55:46.000 So we make almost everything into breakfast sausage and burger.

02:55:49.000 Does it depend on what time of year?

02:55:51.000 Like if it's in the rut?

02:55:52.000 I would say the rut part has a huge part to do with it. 0.99

02:55:54.000 But if you make it into jalapeno cheeseburger, I don't give a fuck if you put that into a turd. 0.99

02:56:00.000 That is going to taste good, right? 0.99

02:56:01.000 It doesn't matter.

02:56:02.000 And so the last one, that big, big one I shot, we made almost that whole thing into...

02:56:07.000 Well, we did.

02:56:08.000 We made the whole thing into burger, brats, breakfast sausage.

02:56:11.000 But it tastes pretty good.

02:56:11.000 It's not bad.

02:56:12.000 I mean...

02:56:14.000 I think how people take care of the animal is part of the problem and how they cook it.

02:56:19.000 Yeah.

02:56:20.000 So we let them – we drip them.

02:56:22.000 We drain them totally.

02:56:23.000 And when I say age it, not aging, we'll let it hang for a couple days.

02:56:27.000 We let it age as far as let it drain out.

02:56:30.000 It makes it more tender. 1.00

02:56:32.000 So I – I hate when people say things taste bad when it's just you're a dumb shit. 1.00

02:56:39.000 Bad preparation. 1.00

02:56:40.000 Yeah, it's bad prep.

02:56:41.000 Because I haven't tasted much Wild Game that wasn't great.

02:56:43.000 Dude, we just did three hours, believe it or not.

02:56:46.000 Good God.

02:56:47.000 Time flies in this room.

02:56:48.000 I know. 0.99

02:56:49.000 I haven't peed yet, and that's a fucking miracle. 0.99

02:56:50.000 I know. 0.99

02:56:51.000 You drank two Kilt Clips and a bottle of water.

02:56:54.000 Yeah.

02:56:54.000 Listen, man.

02:56:55.000 Tell everybody your podcast, KefaroCast.

02:56:57.000 You can get it if you're interested more in hunting and backpacking.

02:57:02.000 KefaroCast, it's available everywhere.

02:57:04.000 And Kefaro International is the website?

02:57:08.000 So Kefaro, K-I-F-A-R-U.net is the website, and KefaroCast is the podcast. 0.97

02:57:16.000 And best fucking backpacks in the game. 0.94

02:57:18.000 Yeah, I appreciate it, man. 0.99

02:57:19.000 Thanks for having me on.

02:57:19.000 Great for being here, brother.

02:57:20.000 It was awesome.

02:57:21.000 It was really fun to talk to you.

02:57:22.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:57:23.000 All right.

02:57:23.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 30, 2020

Joe Rogan Experienced #1499 - Aron Snyder

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