The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE #1747 - Dr. Peter McCullough

00:00:00.000 Well, sir, thank you very much.

00:00:05.000 I really appreciate it.

00:00:06.000 I've seen a lot of your testimonies before they were actually taken down.

00:00:11.000 I've seen some of the videos that were yours that were taken down off of YouTube.

00:00:15.000 And then I found that very odd that a doctor talking about a medical disease would have videos taken down.

00:00:25.000 An actual expert would be either testifying or discussing treatments.

00:00:31.000 And talking about a disease and have those videos taken down off of YouTube.

00:00:37.000 First of all, if you would please just state your credentials and tell everybody what you do.

00:00:41.000 I'm Dr. Peter McCullough.

00:00:42.000 I'm an internist and cardiologist.

00:00:44.000 I'm also trained in epidemiology.

00:00:46.000 I'm in academic practice in Dallas, Texas, so I see patients about half the time.

00:00:50.000 I saw patients yesterday.

00:00:51.000 I drove down today to see you here in the studio.

00:00:54.000 And the rest of my time I spend as an author and editor.

00:00:58.000 I'm the editor of a major journal in cardiovascular medicine, the former editor of an international journal.

00:01:03.000 I'm the president of a major medical society.

00:01:06.000 Right now, currently, about five years into that position.

00:01:09.000 And, you know, I frequently publish.

00:01:11.000 In my field, I study the interface between heart and kidney disease.

00:01:15.000 I'm the most published person in my field in history.

00:01:18.000 I have over 650 publications in the National Library of Medicine.

00:01:21.000 I imagine that's probably ahead of anybody you've had on the show.

00:01:24.000 They mentioned Paul Merrick.

00:01:25.000 I'm just ahead of Paul Merrick.

00:01:26.000 Peter Corey mentioned him in critical care.

00:01:28.000 I'm just ahead of Paul, a lot younger than he is.

00:01:31.000 And in COVID, when COVID hit, I really dropped everything to put all of my academic efforts on this.

00:01:39.000 Because I saw it as an all hands on deck situation.

00:01:43.000 Now, when did things start to seem strange to you in terms of the way the information was allowed to be distributed, in terms of the way people were treating patients, and not just that, but the information on how to treat patients was distributed?

00:02:00.000 I didn't see this coming.

00:02:01.000 To tell you the truth, I was pretty happy in life.

00:02:03.000 Medicine was moving along for me, and I had a very highly ranked position at a major academic medical center.

00:02:12.000 Traveled frequently and did all the things we normally do in academic medicine meeting, interchanging, challenging, being skeptical with one another.

00:02:20.000 That is the lifeblood of academic medicine.

00:02:24.000 And things were going great in March.

00:02:26.000 This hit.

00:02:27.000 We immediately took efforts we thought was going to hit Dallas.

00:02:31.000 We started looking at things, how to configure our workforces.

00:02:34.000 I went and got a grant, got a large grant to study a prevention approach to protect our workers at our healthcare.

00:02:42.000 Facility, and I worked with the FDA over a weekend to get an investigation of a drug application awarded in my name in order to test a prophylactic approach.

00:02:51.000 And things were going great in March.

00:02:53.000 And I can tell you, it wasn't but a few weeks in April on these task force calls.

00:02:58.000 I was on routine health system calls once a week, and I was on one with the National Institutes of Health.

00:03:04.000 And I asked a question I said, When are we going to start to treat the problem?

00:03:08.000 People are getting sick out there, they're starting to be hospitalized, some are dying.

00:03:11.000 When are we going to start to treat?

00:03:13.000 Treat patients.

00:03:14.000 It's too late for the hospital.

00:03:15.000 It's too late to treat people.

00:03:16.000 It's obvious they're dying in the hospital.

00:03:18.000 We must start early.

00:03:20.000 And you could basically hear a pin drop on these calls.

00:03:23.000 No one had an idea about treating COVID 19 at home.

00:03:28.000 Was there no thought about it?

00:03:30.000 Was there no discussion?

00:03:32.000 Or was it just not a point of focus?

00:03:34.000 Like, what was the problem there?

00:03:36.000 I think it was a grip of fear.

00:03:38.000 Doctors, for the first time in their lives, felt like they could get the disease themselves.

00:03:43.000 If they actually saw and examined these patients, all the discussion was on personal protective equipment, hand sanitizer, negative airflow rooms.

00:03:52.000 It was all about protecting the healthcare workers.

00:03:54.000 There wasn't any focus on sick patients.

00:03:57.000 And after the weeks went by, I became incredibly frustrated.

00:04:00.000 I started communicating with our Italian colleagues.

00:04:02.000 I said, What's going on?

00:04:03.000 You guys are getting blasted in Milan.

00:04:06.000 Is there anything we can do to treat patients at home and stop these hospitalizations?

00:04:11.000 And were you alone with this concern?

00:04:15.000 Were there other doctors that were joining you with this?

00:04:17.000 And were there treatment protocols that had been put into place that were being tested?

00:04:22.000 There were no treatment protocols that emerged.

00:04:24.000 We started looking at work done by Didier Rialt in Marseille, France, by Vladimir Zelenko.

00:04:31.000 In Monroe, New York, and started communicating very early on with the Italians.

00:04:36.000 And I had great relationships with the Italians in Milan.

00:04:40.000 And what we had decided is we had decided on some principles early on.

00:04:44.000 The first collaboration, and my contribution was really to get people together, get the ideas together, and publish.

00:04:51.000 And I had the publication strength that other people didn't, and got the first organized ideas together in April, May, June.

00:04:59.000 We submitted our paper July 1st to the American Journal of Medicine, which is one of the highly ranked journals in medicine.

00:05:05.000 And it was published in August.

00:05:07.000 This is the first publication teaching doctors how to treat COVID 19 with a multi drug regimen.

00:05:15.000 And the ground rules were this we knew it was insufficient time for large randomized trials.

00:05:21.000 Those take two to four years.

00:05:23.000 I lead large randomized trials.

00:05:24.000 I've published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

00:05:26.000 I know what this is about.

00:05:27.000 I'm on steering committees.

00:05:28.000 We don't have two to four years.

00:05:29.000 This is a mass casualty situation.

00:05:31.000 We use the precautionary principle, meaning that this is a mass casualty event.

00:05:35.000 We can't wait.

00:05:37.000 We're looking for drugs with a signal of benefit and acceptable safety.

00:05:41.000 We knew very early on that this viral infection had three components it was viral replication, cytokine storm or inflammation, and then thrombosis.

00:05:49.000 So we knew a single drug wasn't going to handle the problem.

00:05:52.000 It was going to be a multi drug regimen, just like with HIV, just like with hepatitis C.

00:05:52.000 No way.

00:05:57.000 It's going to be multi drugs.

00:05:57.000 No difference.

00:05:58.000 So, precautionary principle we used signals of benefit, acceptable safety, drugs in a combination, test, retest, and go.

00:06:06.000 And so at the time we submitted our paper, Joe, There was about 4,000 papers in the peer reviewed literature on COVID 19.

00:06:15.000 I'm sorry, check that.

00:06:16.000 There were 55,000 papers in the peer reviewed literature on COVID 19 and about 4,000 that could have related to certain drugs, but not a single one put the concepts together on how to treat patients.

00:06:26.000 So this was the first one, and it was published in August.

00:06:29.000 August of 2020, American Journal of Medicine.

00:06:32.000 The title of the paper was The Pathophysiologic Rationale for the Early Ambulatory Treatment of COVID 19.

00:06:38.000 That quickly after August spawned the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

00:06:42.000 Home treatment guide.

00:06:43.000 So, AAPS, an interesting organization, is independent doctors.

00:06:48.000 They accept no money from pharmaceutical agencies.

00:06:51.000 They've been around since 1943.

00:06:54.000 They had early on sued the federal government to release the stockpile of hydroxychloroquine.

00:07:00.000 The U.S. had the right idea, as other countries.

00:07:02.000 They stockpiled hydroxychloroquine.

00:07:05.000 Then there was the problem of it wasn't being released from the stockpile.

00:07:08.000 And so, during my development work early in 2020, I got a call from the White House.

00:07:12.000 Peter Navarro called me.

00:07:14.000 So, listen, McCullough, can you help me?

00:07:16.000 Get hydroxychloroquine released.

00:07:18.000 Rick Bright and others in the FDA seem to be colluding to block hydroxychloroquine coming out of the stockpile.

00:07:24.000 In Marseille, France, Didier Rial was working with hydroxychloroquine and it was over the counter in France.

00:07:29.000 They made a prescription and they started making it hard for him to use.

00:07:33.000 And then simultaneously in Australia, they had taken hydroxychloroquine and they had put it up in Queensland as basically an untouchable drug.

00:07:40.000 If a doctor attempted to use hydroxychloroquine to treat a COVID patient in early April, that doctor could be put in jail.

00:07:46.000 So these things started happening early to try to prevent.

00:07:50.000 Treatment of patients with COVID 19.

00:07:52.000 Why do you think that's the case?

00:07:54.000 And why do you think that hydroxychloroquine would have been effective?

00:07:57.000 Well, 2006 forward, there were studies with hydroxychloroquine that demonstrated that it reduced replication of SARS CoV 1, the first version of the SARS virus.

00:08:10.000 Yeah, we talked about that the other day.

00:08:11.000 Wasn't it just chloroquine?

00:08:14.000 Was it chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine?

00:08:15.000 Well, originally, there was chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine, and mefloquine.

00:08:19.000 So there's anti malarials.

00:08:21.000 They're similar in terms of their biochemical property, but they have three mechanisms of action.

00:08:25.000 They increase The lysosomal pH, so when the particle is taken into the cell, it doesn't travel so well to the nucleus.

00:08:33.000 The chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine bring in zinc.

00:08:36.000 It's a zinc ionophore.

00:08:37.000 Zinc goes in and actually antagonizes the RNA dependent polymerase, which is needed for the virus to replicate.

00:08:43.000 And then hydroxychloroquine is a well known and established anti inflammatory.

00:08:47.000 We use it in lupus, we use it in rheumatoid arthritis, and it's obviously an intracellular anti infective.

00:08:52.000 We use it for the prevention of malaria.

00:08:55.000 There was a lot of problems with Donald Trump being in office that when he would approve of something or when he would talk about something, people would attack that thing.

00:09:07.000 And hydroxychloroquine became something that he talked of as a cure and talked about as a treatment for COVID.

00:09:14.000 And then it became politicized.

00:09:16.000 And then support for hydroxychloroquine became support for Trump.

00:09:23.000 Would you think that that was accurate?

00:09:25.000 I'd have to look at the timeline.

00:09:27.000 Boy, it was quick because.

00:09:28.000 The backlash against hydroxychloroquine was so strong in Brazil and Australia.

00:09:33.000 Why do you think that is, though?

00:09:34.000 No, but the timing - the question is, did it happen before or after Trump said anything?

00:09:38.000 It happened very quickly.

00:09:40.000 You know, through the course of the year, it was extraordinary.

00:09:42.000 Do you know the second largest producer of hydroxychloroquine, the plant, was mysteriously burned down outside of Taipei?

00:09:48.000 It was extraordinary what was going on.

00:09:51.000 Doctors from Africa were telling us that, you know, there were some type of mercenary people raiding the pharmacies at night and burning the hydroxychloroquine.

00:09:59.000 Before the emergency use exemption or the emergency use authorization for the vaccines.

00:10:07.000 The emergency use authorization, in order to have that, you cannot have effective treatments.

00:10:13.000 We have to be careful.

00:10:16.000 The emergency use authorization is a new mechanism or a previously unused mechanism for regulatory pathways of drugs.

00:10:26.000 And my interpretation of it, and everybody's interpretation is fair game since it's pretty loosely written, quite honestly, depends on indication.

00:10:35.000 A vaccine would be indicated for the prevention of COVID 19 illness.

00:10:41.000 Hydroxychloroquine or bamalivumab or any of these other drugs we approved for the treatment of COVID 19.

00:10:47.000 So, two separate indications.

00:10:48.000 So, the EUA should not be viewed, in my view, as competitive.

00:10:52.000 In fact, it can't because remember, bamalivumab, the Lilly product, as well as remdesivir, the Gilead product, they preceded the vaccines and they didn't preempt the vaccines coming on the market.

00:11:03.000 But remdesivir had problems of its own, correct?

00:11:07.000 With kidney failure and.

00:11:08.000 Remdesivir was basically a repurposed failed Ebola drug, and it does have intellectual property ties through Gilead back to the Chinese. 0.91

00:11:19.000 So the Chinese originally were collaborating with us very tightly.

00:11:22.000 I have tons of emails from the Chinese.

00:11:23.000 They were trying to alert us what's going on with COVID 19. 0.86

00:11:26.000 Remdesivir came up.

00:11:28.000 It's a polymerase inhibitor.

00:11:29.000 As a general, I told you hydroxychloroquine has three mechanisms of action.

00:11:33.000 You reviewed previously ivermectin, which also has three separate mechanisms of action.

00:11:37.000 Remdesivir is a one horse show, it's a single mechanism of action.

00:11:41.000 It inhibits the polymerase.

00:11:42.000 It unfortunately, as the data have borne out, it's given far too late in the illness, right?

00:11:50.000 Illness, right?

00:11:50.000 So the polymerase is active early in viral replication.

00:11:53.000 So if you gave it on day one, it may actually do something.

00:11:56.000 But if you give it on day 14, by the time someone comes in the hospital, the virus is done replicating at that point in time.

00:12:01.000 And then all it can do is offer toxicity.

00:12:03.000 And you're right, it's a five day infusion of remdesivir.

00:12:06.000 Early on, we heard about the hepatic toxicity.

00:12:09.000 In my experience, I could never get a patient through five days of therapy because the liver function test, the AST and ALT, would skyrocket.

00:12:16.000 Now it's become clear it's been associated with acute kidney injury.

00:12:20.000 And the kidney injury is not tolerated in COVID 19 because any retention of fluid makes the oxygen saturation in the lungs far worse.

00:12:28.000 So, why do you think there was this demonization of hydroxychloroquine?

00:12:34.000 And why, I mean, do you have a theory as to why they would try to restrict the distribution of it or why they would, if someone wanted to burn down the factories that produce it, why they would do that?

00:12:47.000 It was clear that hydroxychloroquine was the most promising.

00:12:52.000 Drug that we had for COVID 19.

00:12:54.000 By the way, we tested retinivir, lupinivir, HIV drugs.

00:12:58.000 They quickly fell to the side.

00:12:59.000 Other drugs were tested, but hydroxy came forward as the lead agent.

00:13:06.000 And currently, we're up to 300 completed studies with hydroxychloroquine, 32 early treatment studies.

00:13:13.000 And it does have an effect size or an efficacy early in treatment of about 64% globally across the studies.

00:13:21.000 And its toxicity profile is well understood.

00:13:25.000 Hydroxychloroquine, like ivermectin and the other drugs, are already FDA approved.

00:13:30.000 The FDA tells doctors to use drugs off label.

00:13:33.000 It's in their guidance to us.

00:13:34.000 And actually, FDA has a piece to patients that was published in 2018 saying, Why does your doctor use off label drugs?

00:13:40.000 And it says, When the doctors are fulfilling an unmet need, i.e., COVID 19.

00:13:45.000 There's no new drugs for COVID 19.

00:13:47.000 So we use these drugs, it's called clinically indicated, medically necessary, appropriate off label use of drugs.

00:13:53.000 Hydroxy was the first one up.

00:13:55.000 A giant mistake.

00:13:57.000 Was to actually place an emergency use authorization on hydroxychloroquine.

00:14:00.000 And the original EUA that was placed on hydroxychloroquine, which it didn't need one because it's already on the market, right?

00:14:07.000 It was placed for inpatient use.

00:14:09.000 And then the interpretation was that it was the hydroxychloroquine that was restricted at inpatient use.

00:14:14.000 So once it became restricted at inpatient use, then there were messages saying, listen, don't use it unless somebody's an inpatient.

00:14:20.000 Then when we found out that hydroxychloroquine, like ivermectin, works best early and has less of an effect late, like all the other drugs, because people are too far gone.

00:14:29.000 Once those trials are completed, there are five randomized trials of inpatients with hydroxychloroquine as they're about to go on the ventilator.

00:14:35.000 And those five trials are neutral.

00:14:37.000 They don't show harm.

00:14:39.000 They don't show benefit.

00:14:40.000 They're neutral.

00:14:40.000 One of them was the NIH trial.

00:14:42.000 There's only two placebo controlled trials, by the way.

00:14:44.000 So we've based the entire house on hydroxychloroquine on two placebo controlled small inpatient trials that didn't have sufficient power to see an effect, if indeed it was there.

00:14:54.000 Having said that, they were flat on the outcomes of mortality and progression in the hospital.

00:15:00.000 And so based on that, In June of 2020, the FDA came out across the board and said, based on this, do not use hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID 19, period.

00:15:09.000 Period.

00:15:11.000 Full stop.

00:15:12.000 They never reviewed the data a second time or a third time.

00:15:15.000 And I can tell you, as a doctor, the FDA, the CDC, and the NIH are public service agencies to me and you.

00:15:23.000 We don't work for them, they don't issue us rulings.

00:15:26.000 They work for us.

00:15:27.000 And I'm telling you, as a leader in academic medicine, my expectation was monthly reviews.

00:15:32.000 From those three entities and the White House task force.

00:15:34.000 Matter of fact, the White House task force can do it.

00:15:37.000 I needed a monthly report of what drugs were working and what drugs weren't.

00:15:40.000 We didn't see any of that.

00:15:42.000 Why do you think that is?

00:15:44.000 I talked to Scott Atlas.

00:15:45.000 I presented with him a couple weeks ago and I had dinner with Scott.

00:15:48.000 He was on the inside.

00:15:49.000 He worked side by side with these people for months.

00:15:52.000 And I said, Scott, what is going on?

00:15:54.000 Scott goes, I did what Peter McCullough would do.

00:15:56.000 I showed up every day with the data.

00:15:58.000 I analyzed things.

00:16:00.000 I had the updates on what's going on with the pandemic.

00:16:03.000 Now, Scott was focused on mass contagion control in schools, but he's an academic.

00:16:07.000 He's at Stanford Hoover Institute.

00:16:09.000 I said, Yeah.

00:16:10.000 I said, What about the other people on the task force?

00:16:12.000 What about the head of the NIAAD?

00:16:14.000 What about the CDC director?

00:16:16.000 He goes, They showed up with nothing.

00:16:18.000 I said, You've got to be kidding me.

00:16:19.000 They're not analyzing any data.

00:16:21.000 He goes, Have you ever seen them come on TV and analyze any studies?

00:16:25.000 I said, No.

00:16:27.000 He thinks that this is a crisis of academic incompetence, believe it or not.

00:16:32.000 Just incompetence, not some sort of a conspiracy to demonize hydroxychloroquine for profit, for some other means, to promote some other treatment or drug.

00:16:47.000 It wasn't me, but someone in the crowd.

00:16:48.000 This was a symposium that was held by.

00:16:50.000 Pam Popper, by the way.

00:16:51.000 Dr. Popper's got a wonderful book out on COVID 19, and so does Scott Atlas.

00:16:56.000 His is about the White House.

00:16:58.000 And someone in the audience asked Scott, he said, listen, do they have another intention?

00:17:02.000 Were they directly trying to squash hydroxychloroquine at the time?

00:17:07.000 He said, no.

00:17:08.000 He said they had good intentions for the nation. 0.98

00:17:11.000 He says they're just incompetent.

00:17:13.000 So is it possible that the demonization of hydroxychloroquine was because Donald Trump supported it?

00:17:22.000 Because I know for like the way I had been hearing about it was hearing about it through him.

00:17:28.000 That he talked about it.

00:17:29.000 It's basically a miracle.

00:17:31.000 Remember all that stuff?

00:17:32.000 He was saying it was a miracle.

00:17:33.000 As I recall, that was late March.

00:17:36.000 I think when it was honestly made illegal in Australia, it was early April.

00:17:41.000 You know, I went on Tucker Carlson.

00:17:42.000 We had the same type of discussion. 0.52

00:17:43.000 Tucker says, How did the Australians know to make it illegal so early in April?

00:17:49.000 He goes, That's before all the research was done.

00:17:51.000 Remember, Henry Ford came out with a 3,000 patient study.

00:17:54.000 And actually, used in the hospital.

00:17:56.000 It wasn't randomized, but they got consent.

00:17:58.000 It was very carefully done.

00:18:00.000 I was a program director at Henry Ford in the past.

00:18:02.000 I know that institution really well.

00:18:03.000 High quality, top shelf.

00:18:05.000 I was communicating with them.

00:18:07.000 They said, listen, it works.

00:18:08.000 It is clear.

00:18:09.000 It works.

00:18:09.000 This is an unconfounded study.

00:18:11.000 And that was one of the studies that, in fact, we relied upon in order to put hydroxychloroquine in sequence multidrug therapy.

00:18:18.000 That was before the data with ivermectin came in.

00:18:21.000 So ivermectin came in later.

00:18:23.000 And so our update, when we published our update in December of 2020, we brought in ivermectin.

00:18:28.000 The Japanese have told us about favipiravir and the Russians' head.

00:18:31.000 A lot of people don't know this.

00:18:32.000 There is an oral antiviral approved and used in Japan and Russia and four states in India called favipiravir.

00:18:40.000 That is an oral polymerase inhibitor, so it's like an oral remdesivir.

00:18:43.000 It's very similar to the new drug, molapiravir.

00:18:46.000 This is an oral polymerase inhibitor.

00:18:48.000 So the antivirals, we actually, by our recommendations, now had three antivirals that we could recommend worldwide for that layer of treatment.

00:18:56.000 Now, antivirals alone are not sufficient and They are not necessary to treat COVID 19.

00:19:04.000 It's very interesting for people to say this.

00:19:06.000 People wanted to put up hydroxychloroquine up on a pedestal and say, listen, if we can knock down hydroxychloroquine, there will be no treatment for COVID 19.

00:19:14.000 And we can promote some other agenda.

00:19:16.000 Or if we can knock down ivermectin.

00:19:18.000 And Dr. Chetty from South Africa and Dr. Barrentios from South America, given the politicization of both drugs, because ivermectin in the next wave became the next target of politicization, if you will, if it's politics.

00:19:31.000 But I have to tell you, it's so worldwide.

00:19:33.000 I hate that word politicization.

00:19:35.000 I think it's some other.

00:19:37.000 But the point is, they demonstrated that the syndrome as an outpatient can be treated without those drugs.

00:19:44.000 They use a different combination of drugs in the sequence.

00:19:46.000 The Chedi method is called the Thai method, where, in a sense, you let the virus make its run on replication and then pick it up with Montelucas, cyproheptidine, inhaled steroids, oral steroids, and then anticoagulants.

00:19:58.000 They treat the back end of the syndrome.

00:20:01.000 Now, again, though, why do you think hydroxychloroquine was demonized?

00:20:06.000 Why do you think that it was, especially so early on in Australia?

00:20:11.000 It can't be universal competence across the board.

00:20:14.000 So, one of the things that's interesting about ivermectin is it's not demonized worldwide, it's distributed widely in other countries.

00:20:20.000 And it's shown some effectiveness.

00:20:23.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:20:24.000 You know, ivermectin now is first line in Japan.

00:20:27.000 It's attributed to crushing the curves in Mexico, in Peru, absolutely crushed the curves in India.

00:20:34.000 We've been in close communication with them.

00:20:36.000 Ivermectin is an interesting drug, and I know you've reviewed it in depth on this show, so I'll leave it to experts like Dr. Corey and others there.

00:20:46.000 But, you know, I use it every day in my practice.

00:20:47.000 I have no problems with ivermectin.

00:20:49.000 It's safe and effective.

00:20:50.000 There's been a Nobel Prize awarded.

00:20:53.000 In 2015 for ivermectin.

00:20:56.000 But hydroxychloroquine, I think worldwide, is still the leading drug used to treat COVID 19 just because of its availability, its known dosing.

00:21:07.000 The interesting thing between hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin is that ivermectin has a range inpatient and outpatient and has a bigger effect size in general.

00:21:17.000 Both of them are still lacking the 20,000 to 40,000 patient clinical trial as a singular drug.

00:21:23.000 And I honestly don't think we'll ever get there.

00:21:25.000 By the way, we're in the multi drug space, so we're never going to go back to single drugs.

00:21:29.000 We're in the multi drug environment.

00:21:32.000 And so there are no large multi drug trials even planned at this point in time.

00:21:37.000 So we're left with where we are signals of benefit, acceptable safety.

00:21:41.000 But to finish the thought, ivermectin has a range of effect sizes that are gratifying inpatient and outpatient, diminishing efficacy later.

00:21:49.000 Hydroxychloroquine has really no support on the inpatient side outside the big Henry Ford studies.

00:21:54.000 So hydroxy is largely an outpatient drug.

00:21:56.000 The advantages of hydroxychloroquine are.

00:21:59.000 Stable dosing, 200 milligrams twice a day.

00:22:01.000 We either go 5, 10, or 30 days.

00:22:03.000 We even have protocols where it's been done that way.

00:22:06.000 Ivermectin, the dosing is 200, 400, or 600 micrograms per kilogram.

00:22:11.000 And the dose intervals still are yet to be standardized or worked out.

00:22:15.000 So it's interesting.

00:22:16.000 So you see an entire range of doses in ivermectin.

00:22:19.000 Even clinically today, I don't know.

00:22:21.000 Do I go five days?

00:22:22.000 Do I do 10 days?

00:22:23.000 Do I do every other day?

00:22:24.000 I don't know.

00:22:25.000 We use the drugs, and I'm comfortable with that.

00:22:27.000 I can live with ambiguity in the setting of a crisis.

00:22:30.000 The point is, these are very safe and effective drugs.

00:22:33.000 They're useful drugs.

00:22:34.000 I saw a trend.

00:22:35.000 You've asked me three times, so I'm going to answer it.

00:22:37.000 I saw a trend starting in April, May, and June where it became clear that anything we were doing to try to help patients with early treatment was receiving a chill.

00:22:51.000 And the chill was coming through academic institutions, through the medical literature.

00:22:56.000 I think the CAPRA was in June when there was a fraudulent paper published in Lancet on hydroxychloroquine between Harvard.

00:23:04.000 And a company called Surgisphere.

00:23:06.000 And this never happens.

00:23:07.000 Lancet's like the New England Journal of Medicine of the world.

00:23:09.000 I'm the editor of a major journal.

00:23:10.000 I run a journal.

00:23:11.000 I know what it takes.

00:23:12.000 There are editors, associate editors, reviewers.

00:23:15.000 There is pinpoint accuracy.

00:23:16.000 We check references.

00:23:17.000 We check plagiarism.

00:23:18.000 Believe me, it's a tight world out there.

00:23:20.000 They basically published a fraudulent paper on hydroxychloroquine in Lancet in 2020, around June.

00:23:27.000 And they let it hang up there for two weeks, stating that hydroxychloroquine was associated with harm when used in patients with COVID 19.

00:23:34.000 Who made this study?

00:23:37.000 It was between one investigator, it was at Harvard, and it was by a company called Surgesphere.

00:23:41.000 That nobody knew what this company was.

00:23:43.000 It turned out to be a company that literally just dissolved or went away without anybody understanding what was going on.

00:23:49.000 So it was a company that was created specifically to do this, actually.

00:23:53.000 Don't know.

00:23:54.000 All I can tell you is I looked at the data, Joe, and they had tens of thousands of people they claimed were hospitalized with COVID 19 fairly early in the pandemic.

00:24:03.000 The average age of these people hospitalized was in the low 40s.

00:24:06.000 I looked at this paper in two seconds.

00:24:08.000 I go, this doesn't make sense.

00:24:09.000 We were hospitalizing people in their 80s, not in their 40s.

00:24:12.000 And so to me, it didn't.

00:24:14.000 Didn't look right.

00:24:15.000 And then people started writing Lancet saying, listen, this doesn't look real.

00:24:18.000 And they started receiving tons of emails.

00:24:20.000 And then Lancet basically retracted it and said, we retract it.

00:24:25.000 No apologies, no explanation.

00:24:28.000 I interpret that.

00:24:29.000 And that occurred right before the FDA said, don't use hydroxychloroquine.

00:24:33.000 It almost looked like it was a step to basically try to bury hydroxychloroquine as a therapy.

00:24:40.000 But why?

00:24:41.000 This is what I still don't understand.

00:24:43.000 What do you think is the motivation, and why was it so worldwide?

00:24:46.000 As a doctor, all I can tell you is the medical literature as we are seeing it come about.

00:24:52.000 There was once the discovery that the spike protein on the virus, the discovery in the medical literature, now that discovery we learned actually occurred years before this, was amenable to neutralization with vaccine induced antibodies.

00:25:09.000 Once that became abundantly clear in the literature, there appeared to be almost a lockstep developed where people said, uh huh, that's it.

00:25:18.000 That's the solution.

00:25:19.000 We're going to vaccinate our way out of this problem.

00:25:21.000 We don't even need to worry about how to treat the problem.

00:25:23.000 We don't need to hear about drugs to treat the problem.

00:25:26.000 And the enthusiasm and the hubris for vaccination spread across academic medical centers all over the country.

00:25:33.000 But what about the people that were currently sick and they were still waiting for the rollout of the vaccine?

00:25:37.000 So if you're talking about August, the vaccine wasn't rolling out for another four months.

00:25:43.000 And that's just for elderly people.

00:25:46.000 I published an op ed in August of 2020 in The Hill.

00:25:51.000 A Republican journal for Washington people and others in those circles.

00:25:58.000 And the title of the op ed was The Great Gamble of the COVID 19 Vaccine Development Program.

00:26:03.000 And what I saw is I saw a total shift on everything for the vaccines.

00:26:09.000 Do you know major clinical trials with hydroxychloroquine were dropped?

00:26:12.000 Ivermectin, things were dropped.

00:26:15.000 We had programs for favipiravir.

00:26:18.000 The Canadians had a big thrust for favipiravirs dropped.

00:26:21.000 I was the principal investigator overall. 1.00

00:26:23.000 For the Ramachaban program. 1.00

00:26:26.000 That was a Japanese product.

00:26:27.000 It was an anticoagulant, antihistamine.

00:26:29.000 It looked very promising.

00:26:30.000 We had great preliminary data.

00:26:32.000 We had Bayer that was going to give us all the doses we needed to treat America.

00:26:36.000 I was on calls between the NIH and the FDA, back and forth, back and forth.

00:26:41.000 I couldn't get any traction in the summer of 2020.

00:26:44.000 It was obvious.

00:26:45.000 In fact, I remember one of the Operation Warp Speed officers telling me, listen, sorry, we have everything organized for the current program.

00:26:53.000 I was also the assistant, I was this kind of second in charge of the Imodulon program.

00:26:58.000 Which was a cellular based vaccine.

00:27:00.000 That was a vaccine similar to the BCG vaccine, which is given for tuberculosis.

00:27:04.000 We had noticed that regions that were vaccinated for tuberculosis, like Haiti and countries in Central Africa, very little COVID.

00:27:11.000 And so we had the idea.

00:27:13.000 We got a Dutch manufacturer to actually make this cellular based vaccine.

00:27:17.000 We were going to vaccinate healthcare workers.

00:27:19.000 Same thing endless proposals between NIH and FDA got nowhere because it looked like it was already pre decided that the current set of genetic vaccines were going to move forward.

00:27:30.000 There wasn't going to be any discussion on early treatment.

00:27:32.000 I thought it was a gamble.

00:27:34.000 I was faced with more and more of my patients getting sick with COVID 19.

00:27:38.000 And what I told people all over, I said, listen, I can't let the virus slaughter my patients.

00:27:43.000 I'm not going to do it.

00:27:44.000 I said, there's got to be something I could do.

00:27:46.000 Early on, I used hydroxychloroquine, other drugs in combination.

00:27:49.000 Once a pure Corey, I give him great credit.

00:27:51.000 His first contribution is actually steroids in the use of COVID 19.

00:27:56.000 So we started using steroids once it was shown to us.

00:27:59.000 We added steroids.

00:28:00.000 The data started coming out on anticoagulants.

00:28:02.000 And that's how I put it together.

00:28:03.000 I'm telling you, Joe, every single one of my high risk patients, I've always treated to prevent hospitalization and death.

00:28:12.000 The 800,000 deaths that we are right now, I can tell you to a one, they've received either no or inadequate early treatment.

00:28:22.000 All of them.

00:28:23.000 Go look in a table of baseline characteristics of hospitalized patients with COVID 19 and look at what they received before they came to the hospital.

00:28:32.000 Zilch.

00:28:33.000 In fact, there's one paper by Ip and colleagues, last name is spelled IP.

00:28:37.000 It was published from New Jersey early on.

00:28:40.000 And in that paper, back when there was a surge of hydroxychloroquine use, In the spring of 2020, 7% of people had received some pre hospital hydroxychloroquine before they got to the hospital.

00:28:52.000 They had improved survival.

00:28:54.000 Even some pre hospital treatment really worked.

00:28:57.000 So, what happened is when we came up with our treatment protocols, the protocol that I mentioned, it sounds like describing what you received as a treatment.

00:29:05.000 You basically received the McCullough protocol.

00:29:06.000 It's now been copyrighted.

00:29:07.000 It's sequenced multidrug.

00:29:08.000 Once the monoclonal antibodies came in, that became a building block in our program.

00:29:12.000 And we can maybe show the multidrug protocol on the screen if we can look at it.

00:29:17.000 The point is, That any pre hospital treatment was associated with improved survival because we're taking an edge off viral replication, reducing some of the inflammation, preventing some of the thrombosis.

00:29:29.000 If we let this thing run for 14 days, Joe, the lungs are filling with blood clots.

00:29:34.000 By the time the oxygen saturation goes down, that's not the virus.

00:29:37.000 The Italians showed us through autopsy studies, very courageous autopsy studies, the lungs are filled with micro blood clots.

00:29:46.000 So, in your opinion, If your protocol had been established and distributed worldwide, if people had recognized that this is a way to deal with early treatment, you think that the overall number of COVID deaths would have been significantly reduced?

00:30:03.000 I testified in the U.S. Senate November 19, 2020.

00:30:07.000 I told Americans under oath that 50% of the lives at that time could have been saved.

00:30:13.000 We were at about 250,000 deaths, based on what I knew.

00:30:17.000 I then testified on March 10, 2021, in the Texas Senate, sworn testimony.

00:30:23.000 I upped that to 85% of the deaths could have been avoided.

00:30:28.000 We know that because we carried out studies.

00:30:30.000 We did one with Proctor here in Dallas, Fort Worth, where we demonstrated that even the early primordial protocols before the monoclonal antibodies, when we used drugs in combination, were associated with 85% reductions in hospitalizations and deaths compared to fair comparator groups.

00:30:47.000 For death, we used the Tri County Area and DFW averages age adjusted.

00:30:51.000 And for hospitalization, we used the Cleveland Clinic Calculator, which is a very precise estimate.

00:30:55.000 Of the risk of hospitalization.

00:30:57.000 Then, simultaneously, Derwand and Zelenko showed that from our own New York data, and then Didier Real showed it from Marseille, France.

00:31:04.000 So, we have three different areas showing early multi drug therapy as an outpatient works substantially, and we've had a giant loss of life, a giant number, millions and millions of unnecessary hospitalizations.

00:31:18.000 And it seemed to me, and I've told Tucker Carlson and many others, it seems to me early on there was an intentional.

00:31:26.000 Very comprehensive suppression of early treatment in order to promote fear, suffering, isolation, hospitalization, and death.

00:31:35.000 And it seemed to be completely organized and intentional in order to create acceptance for and then promote mass vaccination.

00:31:47.000 So, you believe this is a premeditated thing that they were doing?

00:31:51.000 So, they realized that in order to get people enthusiastic about taking this vaccine, the best way to do that was to not have a protocol for treatment.

00:32:03.000 It's not just my idea now, it's completely laid out.

00:32:06.000 By the book by Dr. Pam Popper, the book recently published by Peter Bregan, COVID 19 and the Global Predators, We Are the Prey.

00:32:13.000 I wrote one of the introductions.

00:32:15.000 Dr. Lee Vleet and Dr. Vladimir Lisenko wrote the other introductions.

00:32:20.000 These books are basically nonfiction.

00:32:23.000 They have a thousand citations in the Bregan book showing how it was coordinated and planned.

00:32:30.000 Now Bobby Kennedy has his book out, The Real Anthony Fauci.

00:32:33.000 I'm the most mentioned physician in that book.

00:32:37.000 I can tell you that if you want to find the evidence that Moderna was working on the vaccine before the virus ever emanated out of the lab, if you wanted to find the collusions and the operations between the Gates Foundation and Gavi and CEPI and Pfizer and Moderna and the vaccine manufacturers and the Wuhan Lab and the National Institutes of Health and Ralph Barrick and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and how all this was organized,

00:33:02.000 if you want to see the Johns Hopkins planning seminar called the SPARS pandemic in 2017, Where they had a symposium.

00:33:10.000 People showed up.

00:33:11.000 They wrote up their symposium findings.

00:33:13.000 They published this.

00:33:15.000 It says it's going to be a coronavirus.

00:33:18.000 It's going to be related to MERS and SARS.

00:33:20.000 It's going to come over here to the United States.

00:33:22.000 It's going to shut down cities and frighten people.

00:33:25.000 There's going to be confusion regarding a drug, hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin.

00:33:29.000 And we're going to utilize all that in order to railroad the population into mass vaccination.

00:33:34.000 It's laid out in the Johns Hopkins SPARS pandemic training seminar.

00:33:39.000 The only thing they got wrong was the year.

00:33:41.000 They said it was going to be 2025.

00:33:43.000 Instead, it landed a few years early.

00:33:47.000 How did they organize something like this, and how do you get so many doctors to go along with this?

00:33:52.000 How do you get so many doctors to not speak out against the lack of pre hospitalization care, the lack of early treatment?

00:34:02.000 We think there's about 500 doctors who know what's going on in the United States.

00:34:06.000 500.

00:34:07.000 500.

00:34:07.000 We've got a million doctors in the United States, we've got half a million nurse practitioners and physician assistants.

00:34:12.000 I can tell you the nurses are more awake than the doctors.

00:34:15.000 Why is that?

00:34:16.000 The doctors appear to be like many of our leaders.

00:34:19.000 By the way, all the leaders of the major churches, every single one of them, the major religious branches are under the spell.

00:34:26.000 Every major global international leader is under the spell.

00:34:31.000 We're in what's called a mass formation psychosis.

00:34:35.000 This is very important. 0.99

00:34:37.000 I give credit to Dr. Matthias Desmet in the University of Ghent in Belgium, and recently, Dr. Mark McDonald, a psychiatrist from LA.

00:34:45.000 Mark McDonald's got a new book out.

00:34:47.000 The United States of Fear, describing how the mass psychosis developed.

00:34:51.000 What your listeners need to know is a mass psychosis is when there is a groupthink that develops that's so strong that it leads to something horrific.

00:34:59.000 And the examples are these mass suicides that occur in these religious cults.

00:35:03.000 The example is Nazi Germany, when people walk into gas chambers and were gassed.

00:35:07.000 These horrific things.

00:35:08.000 And four elements here is very important, Joe.

00:35:10.000 First, there must be a period of prolonged isolation, lockdowns.

00:35:15.000 Number two, there must be a withdrawal of things taken away from people that they used to enjoy.

00:35:21.000 That's happened.

00:35:22.000 Number three, there must be constant, incessant, free floating anxiety.

00:35:26.000 All this news cycle, all the deaths and the hospitalizations, more variant mutant strains, everything, people are becoming scared over and over again.

00:35:34.000 And the last thing, number four, the capper.

00:35:36.000 The capper is there must be a single solution offered by an entity in authority.

00:35:43.000 And this case is clear.

00:35:44.000 Worldwide, the solution was vaccination.

00:35:48.000 Everybody must take the vaccination.

00:35:50.000 It's not a U.S. program, it's not a European program, it's everywhere.

00:35:54.000 It doesn't matter what vaccine it is, it could be.

00:35:54.000 And you know what, Joe?

00:35:58.000 It could be Novavax.

00:36:00.000 It could be Pfizer, Moderna, JJ.

00:36:02.000 It's interesting that it doesn't even matter what vaccine it is.

00:36:05.000 It's just take a vaccine, take any vaccine.

00:36:08.000 And so, what mass psychosis says is number four, the solution.

00:36:13.000 There's no limit to the absurdity of the solution.

00:36:17.000 Other countries have been much more ruthless in their enforcement of vaccinations, and it's kind of opened a lot of people's eyes as to what's possible.

00:36:26.000 When you look at some of the European countries, the way Germany's handling it, Even the way New Zealand is handling it, and Australia for sure, people are terrified when they're seeing these places that they thought of as being as free as the United States falling into this sort of totalitarian regime situation where the government is telling the people what they must do and literally checking everyone for papers.

00:36:55.000 And people don't seem to think that this is a problem.

00:37:00.000 A large percentage of people don't seem to think this is a problem.

00:37:03.000 They think it's good because we need to vaccinate everyone.

00:37:06.000 But they don't have an issue with what has historically always been a problem with people.

00:37:14.000 When you give governments extreme amounts of power over people, they tend to like to use that power and they don't ever want to give it up.

00:37:21.000 And we've opened the door to these new levels of power for the government.

00:37:27.000 And people say, well, that's important because we have to do it because we're in the middle of a pandemic and we have to treat these people.

00:37:33.000 Because some people are silly and they believe conspiracy theories and they don't want to take the adequate treatment and that's going to get everybody else sick, which doesn't really make sense.

00:37:42.000 But the whole thought behind it is that this is temporary. 0.91

00:37:47.000 But it's never temporary.

00:37:49.000 Power lost is never regained.

00:37:53.000 All freedoms lost, unless you fight for them, they're kind of lost forever. 0.82

00:37:58.000 And so these people that are giving into these green passes and they're seeing that in Israel now, right?

00:38:03.000 Where Israel used to be you have two vaccines, two shots.

00:38:07.000 And then you get the green pass and you're considered fully vaccinated, you can enter society.

00:38:11.000 Now they're saying no.

00:38:13.000 Now you have to have a third.

00:38:15.000 And now they're considering a fourth, which is wild.

00:38:19.000 And there's no end in sight.

00:38:23.000 You know, if it was about COVID, I would say that the world would have adopted something when I presented to the American people and the Senate testimony in November of 2020.

00:38:34.000 I told America listen, there's four pillars to the pandemic response.

00:38:38.000 We should have always seen.

00:38:40.000 Teams of doctors in Washington.

00:38:42.000 I would have gone if they called me.

00:38:43.000 Matter of fact, I emailed it.

00:38:44.000 They know who I am.

00:38:47.000 We would have seen teams of doctors in Washington working on four pillars.

00:38:50.000 The first pillar is reduce the spread of infection.

00:38:53.000 Terrific.

00:38:54.000 You know, everything we can to improve airflow.

00:38:56.000 We know it's spread by the air.

00:38:58.000 It's not a hand infection.

00:38:59.000 This focus on hand sanitizers, like we're all getting infected hands.

00:39:03.000 It's pretty early on, though, wasn't it?

00:39:04.000 It's not even.

00:39:04.000 No, you still go on DFW Airport.

00:39:06.000 There's hand sanitizers every six feet.

00:39:08.000 You know, there were pictures of people spraying football stadiums with.

00:39:11.000 Sanitize.

00:39:12.000 It's not spread on football seats.

00:39:15.000 It's not a contact organism.

00:39:16.000 It's not Ebola.

00:39:18.000 It's not Clostridium difficile.

00:39:20.000 It's spread in the air.

00:39:22.000 But if we would have focused on contagion control that was reasonable, that would have been terrific.

00:39:27.000 The most effective contagion control, by the way, is 2021 data, is actually using oral nasal virocidal therapy, far and away.

00:39:34.000 Can you explain that, please?

00:39:36.000 Yeah, oral nasal virocidal therapy is basically using virtually anything kills the virus.

00:39:41.000 Any disinfectant kills the virus.

00:39:43.000 Iodine kills it on contact.

00:39:45.000 So if we use dilute betadine, and so if you take a betadine over the counter, it's a brown bottle, we use it to sterilize wounds in the ER.

00:39:53.000 Buy it at any pharmacy and take two teaspoons and six ounces of water.

00:39:58.000 Take a nasal spray or a syringe bulb and spray it up your nose.

00:40:04.000 Snort it back to the points and back your throat and spit it out.

00:40:07.000 I'm sorry that's gross for your audience, but you got to get it up there and back.

00:40:11.000 That adequately decontaminates the nose.

00:40:13.000 Then gargle with the rest of it, spit it out, finish up with some scopolysterine.

00:40:18.000 Doing that after you return from a day out with contact with people, especially close contact in close rooms.

00:40:24.000 I'm talking public restrooms, small conference rooms.

00:40:27.000 You have to be in contact with someone for about three hours, honestly, in a small room with no airflow to get it, or go into a loaded room like a public restroom or tight places at small stores.

00:40:38.000 That's the bottom line, that's where people get it from.

00:40:40.000 Once it gets home, 85% of it spreads in the house.

00:40:42.000 But using oral nasal viral cytotherapy is such a huge advance that in a randomized trial by Chowdhury and colleagues from Bangladesh, 303 patients randomized to this viral cytotherapy, which is all topical, no prescription drugs, nothing else needed, versus A control group, which was just warm water, 303 patients in each group, it dramatically reduced the PCR positivity by day three.

00:41:06.000 It knocked it down from 303 down to 24 patients still positive.

00:41:09.000 Those who got the control, they're still all positive.

00:41:12.000 And it markedly reduced by easily 75% chances of having progressive disease, ending up in the hospital or death.

00:41:19.000 And it's enormously preventive.

00:41:20.000 And now we learn we can use hydrogen peroxide, dilute hydrogen peroxide with some Lugol's iodine.

00:41:26.000 And believe it or not, the dentists.

00:41:28.000 In the American Dental Association guidelines used for cytomegalovirus and Epstein Barr virus, gingivitis, they use sodium hypochlorite.

00:41:36.000 That's actually dilute bleach.

00:41:37.000 Turns out it just takes a few drops of bleach in some household water. 0.92

00:41:41.000 That's for the mouth.

00:41:41.000 We typically don't use it in the nose around the eyes.

00:41:44.000 But remember when President Trump mentioned bleach and everybody had a big horse laugh on that?

00:41:48.000 It turns out he just couldn't articulate.

00:41:50.000 Someone was giving him the ADA recommendations for antiviral therapy for the mouth.

00:41:57.000 The point is, pillar number one should have been contagion control, it should have been focused on the nose and the mouth.

00:42:02.000 We learned it early.

00:42:03.000 We learned it late, but if we could have used any of that early, it would have helped.

00:42:07.000 Randomized trials of masks didn't work.

00:42:09.000 Hand sanitizers and spraying football stadiums.

00:42:11.000 There was even in Europe, they were spraying the sidewalk. 0.88

00:42:13.000 That doesn't work.

00:42:14.000 Do you think the masks have any effect on limiting the spread?

00:42:18.000 You know, every time I go on Fox News, Laura Ingraham always tees up some comment on masks.

00:42:24.000 And I just, masks are not my signature focus.

00:42:28.000 And the reason being if two people don't have the virus and they wear a mask, Can it possibly do anything?

00:42:35.000 Of course not.

00:42:35.000 So, in randomized trials of masks, the vast majority of people don't have the virus.

00:42:39.000 So, if you put masks on people who don't have the virus, it's not going to do anything.

00:42:42.000 Mask expert Mr. Stephen Petty, who I've presented with, he is a world's expert on masks.

00:42:49.000 With a typical mask that someone wears, do you know how much air moves around the mask?

00:42:49.000 He's an engineer.

00:42:54.000 It's 18% moves around the mask.

00:42:56.000 Of course, it doesn't work.

00:42:57.000 Masks only filter out about three microns.

00:42:59.000 The virus is one micron.

00:43:00.000 So, the point is what do masks do?

00:43:02.000 Do I wear a mask?

00:43:03.000 Sure.

00:43:04.000 I go into the hospital, I'm in the cath lab.

00:43:04.000 I'm a doctor.

00:43:06.000 Close contact with people, dentists, hairdressers, people at close range, wear a mask.

00:43:11.000 It may stop a big sneeze.

00:43:13.000 It may stop partially some big emanation of inoculum.

00:43:17.000 Inoculum, but we shouldn't have had the airtime and the public health focus on masks.

00:43:24.000 I think if we would have taken all of that energy and put it on treatment protocols and update on drugs, we would have been better off.

00:43:30.000 But that's contagion control.

00:43:31.000 Pillar number two is early treatment.

00:43:32.000 We've talked about that.

00:43:34.000 Pillar number three, which is really important, is trying to improve the hospital treatments.

00:43:40.000 And we should have had monthly updates from our federal officials and our agencies about where we are with early treatments.

00:43:48.000 And for sure, Our local medical schools should have all had early treatment updates once a month.

00:43:53.000 Come on, the medical centers are facing their Super Bowl.

00:43:56.000 Do you know today, in America, we have 300 medical schools Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic.

00:44:08.000 Do you not have a single hospital that has their own unique protocol to treat COVID 19?

00:44:14.000 They don't have a single original idea.

00:44:16.000 Do you know that none of those organizations, Joe, have ever treated a COVID patient?

00:44:21.000 To prevent hospitalization and death.

00:44:23.000 I told Tucker Carlson he almost fell out of his seat.

00:44:25.000 I said, Yeah, they don't have a single idea how to treat COVID 19 patients outside the hospital.

00:44:31.000 Suddenly, our best and our brightest are out of intellectual ammo.

00:44:36.000 I want to talk more about this mass psychosis.

00:44:44.000 Do you believe that this is an organized mass psychosis?

00:44:48.000 All these steps that you put about isolation, taking away basic freedoms, And then offering up one individual single solution to this.

00:45:00.000 And this is what has sort of fueled this.

00:45:04.000 What's very obvious to people that there's a lot of people that are not acting well, they're not acting normal.

00:45:09.000 They are attacking people that seem to be ideologically opposed to whatever is going on.

00:45:17.000 And they're marching in lockstep with the authoritarians.

00:45:21.000 And they're doing it like Stockholm Syndrome or something.

00:45:27.000 It's very strange.

00:45:29.000 Do you think this is an organized thing?

00:45:31.000 Do you think this is just what happens when you have a massive group of people that are dealing with an incredibly tense and anxiety ridden event like a pandemic, where no one knows what the solution is, and a lot of people are terrified of just everyday life?

00:45:49.000 And then all of a sudden, something like this comes along, and those are the people that are more easily manipulated and they fall in line together because there's sort of a tribal aspect to this type of thinking and behavior, and you find support from other people.

00:46:01.000 That are equally afraid.

00:46:03.000 No, the mass psychosis clearly is focused on pillar number four.

00:46:06.000 That was the last pillar I presented to the Americans in November of 2020 in the U.S. Senate.

00:46:12.000 This is before the vaccines came out, and that is vaccination.

00:46:15.000 Listen, vaccination should play a role.

00:46:17.000 I've taken all the vaccines.

00:46:19.000 My kids have taken all the vaccines.

00:46:21.000 I went to India, I took extra vaccines.

00:46:24.000 So you don't have any problem with vaccines.

00:46:27.000 What had happened is, I want to say by April of 2020, It was clear that the vaccine development program was far more advanced than we ever could have imagined.

00:46:40.000 How could we have actually figured out the neutralizing antibodies and have the sequence to the spike protein and have all that ready to go?

00:46:46.000 We have already figured out how to load it into messenger or adenoviral DNA.

00:46:50.000 How do we actually get that to run?

00:46:53.000 Remember, there are 24 of these platforms.

00:46:55.000 They had all previously failed, except for paterosan.

00:46:58.000 A lot of people don't know this.

00:46:59.000 There is a messenger RNA product.

00:47:00.000 I can use that as a cardiologist called paterosan.

00:47:03.000 It's a small interfering messenger RNA that we use to treat amyloidosis.

00:47:07.000 But the previous trials of gene transfer technology, which is what these are, were normally to replace a missing protein.

00:47:14.000 So, for instance, I'm a cardiologist.

00:47:16.000 I treat a condition called Fabre's disease.

00:47:18.000 It affects the heart.

00:47:19.000 There was a messenger RNA program to basically replace the missing enzyme, alpha galactosidase.

00:47:25.000 But in this case, to take these platforms and say, you know what, these are ready to go.

00:47:29.000 We're just going to insert the code for the spike protein, which is now what we've learned is the lethal part of COVID 19.

00:47:36.000 The ball of the virus, the nucleocapsid, that beach ball, is relatively harmless.

00:47:40.000 What causes all the damage is the spine or the spicule on the surface.

00:47:44.000 Everyone knows a cartoon of the virus.

00:47:46.000 That's called the spike protein.

00:47:47.000 1200 amino acids, about a dozen glycosylation sites.

00:47:51.000 It has some homology, by the way, to HIV.

00:47:55.000 And so a lot of people don't know this, but the original, one of the original antigenic vaccines that was tested in Australia exposed that HIV epitope.

00:48:06.000 It turned everybody in the trial HIV positive who took a COVID 19 vaccine in Australia.

00:48:12.000 These young people were outraged.

00:48:14.000 And so this was on the internet.

00:48:15.000 It was quickly suppressed.

00:48:16.000 But if anybody wants to type this in right now, you can actually learn.

00:48:20.000 That one of the very first vaccines tried in Australia actually turned everybody HIV positive.

00:48:25.000 They didn't have HIV, but there was a molecular trickery that was going on.

00:48:29.000 Having said this, now when we look back, when we look at the books, Popper, Braggin, Robert F. Kennedy, and now Atlas, it's pretty clear that this was planned.

00:48:42.000 And it was planned, and the elements of the mass psychosis are clearly planned.

00:48:46.000 In fact, the elements of the mass psychosis are in the Johns Hopkins planning document.

00:48:50.000 They had that up on their website since 2017.

00:48:53.000 Once the pandemic hit in March of 2020, they actually published it in the peer reviewed literature.

00:48:58.000 You can see how it was all done.

00:49:00.000 That's how the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health had the death count up on CNN and MSNBC and Fox as a scoreboard.

00:49:09.000 Do you remember the scoreboard?

00:49:10.000 It was number of cases and deaths.

00:49:12.000 How do they get that, Joe?

00:49:14.000 Come on, I fill out death certificates every day.

00:49:16.000 Do you know the average death certificate comes to me six weeks after the death?

00:49:20.000 How are they getting these deaths, instantaneous numbers?

00:49:23.000 Picking up every day.

00:49:25.000 It was extraordinary what Americans saw.

00:49:28.000 So, how were they getting that?

00:49:30.000 To this day, we don't know.

00:49:31.000 To this day, we don't know.

00:49:33.000 All we know on the CDC website is the CDC website says that about 90% of the deaths that have occurred with COVID 19 have been associated with significant comorbidities, meaning other major problems that were in the proximal pathway to death. 0.74

00:49:51.000 The Italians have just recoded all of their deaths.

00:49:53.000 They say 97% of the Italian deaths, meaning Someone had heart failure, advanced lung disease, kidney disease, on dialysis, advanced cancer.

00:50:02.000 A good example was Colin Powell.

00:50:04.000 Colin Powell just died recently.

00:50:06.000 He was in his 80s.

00:50:07.000 He was fully vaccinated and he died of multiple myeloma, but he was also COVID positive.

00:50:14.000 And so the question is how much of the COVID did he die of and how much of the multiple myeloma?

00:50:19.000 Larry King died the same way.

00:50:22.000 We'd have to go far to find well known personalities where this happened.

00:50:25.000 The point is the deaths were coming in quickly.

00:50:28.000 It may be the fact.

00:50:29.000 That the deaths, the vast majority of them occurred in the hospital.

00:50:33.000 So we didn't have to have this prolonged outpatient death certificate signing, and things were mainlined from the hospital.

00:50:39.000 We know President Trump's authorization for the testing became the way that the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health got the scoreboard for positive tests.

00:50:50.000 And that executive order said all the laboratories and all the departments of public health doing testing will report positive tests to the center, the Johns Hopkins Center.

00:51:01.000 And they did.

00:51:02.000 That means Quest, LabCorp.

00:51:03.000 Abbott.

00:51:04.000 All of them started to have a flow of tests.

00:51:06.000 Interestingly, there was no reconciliation for duplicates.

00:51:10.000 So, if you would have gone to one testing center and put your name as Joe Rogan, and you went to another testing center and said your name is, you know, Jose Rogan or something, you'd come in as two different tests.

00:51:21.000 There was never any reconciliation.

00:51:24.000 And we understood over time that the number of tests positive was, in a sense, padded.

00:51:29.000 It was padded by duplicate tests, it was padded by this idea of asymptomatic testing.

00:51:35.000 So, one of the big discoveries in 2020 is that the virus is not spread asymptomatically.

00:51:41.000 It's only spread from sick person to susceptible person.

00:51:43.000 This is a very important two major papers, one by Cao from China, one by Madewell, nailed this down. 0.66

00:51:50.000 Once we learned that asymptomatic testing wasn't happening, it became clear the Swedes were right.

00:51:55.000 Scott Atlas was right. 1.00

00:51:57.000 The only thing we needed to do was just keep sick people at home.

00:52:00.000 They were the only people who needed to quarantine, and well, people could go do what they were going to do.

00:52:04.000 Somebody can't walk into a workplace with no symptoms and give the virus to somebody else.

00:52:09.000 It doesn't happen.

00:52:09.000 The problem is with that.

00:52:11.000 Is that a lot of people are not honest about their symptoms?

00:52:15.000 We had a guy at a bar that we work at that we do stand up at.

00:52:18.000 He showed up, he's like, I got a, you know, he's just saying, God, he's got a headache.

00:52:22.000 And someone said, What do you mean you have a headache?

00:52:25.000 And he goes, I've just got this headache.

00:52:27.000 And he goes, Have you been COVID tested?

00:52:29.000 And he goes, Oh, I don't want to test positive.

00:52:32.000 Then I'll have to take off work.

00:52:34.000 And they went, What?

00:52:35.000 And so they tested him.

00:52:36.000 He was positive.

00:52:37.000 And they sent him home.

00:52:38.000 But that guy was going to greet customers at a comedy club.

00:52:43.000 Valid point.

00:52:44.000 Valid point.

00:52:46.000 The new thinking really has to be either we don't trust people and we asymptomatically test everybody.

00:52:52.000 But you know, the World Health Organization, as of June 25th, says no asymptomatic testing.

00:52:57.000 The FDA has never cleared these tests for asymptomatic testing.

00:53:00.000 The CDC doesn't give a green light to do this.

00:53:03.000 Asymptomatic testing, and people like you and me, we just walked in, we have asymptomatic testing.

00:53:08.000 If we get a positive, the chances that that positive is false positive is 97%.

00:53:14.000 97%.

00:53:15.000 And that is if you're asymptomatic.

00:53:17.000 Completely asymptomatic.

00:53:19.000 And to make matters worse, so many of us have already had COVID 19.

00:53:23.000 And now our CDC admits, finally, through a Freedom of Information Act, lead attorney Aaron Seary pressed the CDC and said, Listen, you're saying you can get COVID twice.

00:53:32.000 Show us a case.

00:53:33.000 Show us a case.

00:53:34.000 Pressed, pressed, pressed.

00:53:36.000 Finally, the CDC director came out and said, You know what?

00:53:38.000 You can't get it twice.

00:53:39.000 We've never had a CDC before.

00:53:40.000 But I have a friend that got it twice.

00:53:42.000 What you have is you have a friend who thinks he had it twice.

00:53:45.000 What happened is, on one or more occasions, it's a false positive test.

00:53:50.000 Or he actually had the dead virus that he's carrying forward.

00:53:56.000 Somebody in my family circles had COVID 19, for sure had it, got sick.

00:54:00.000 That person tested positive intermittently 17 times.

00:54:04.000 Yeah, but this wasn't just a test positive.

00:54:06.000 He got sick, he recovered, and then about seven, eight months later, he got sick again, tested positive again, and had a much milder case of it, but still got COVID twice.

00:54:18.000 Yeah, it wasn't a second case.

00:54:19.000 This is what's happened.

00:54:20.000 For sure?

00:54:21.000 Yeah.

00:54:21.000 There's about 100.

00:54:22.000 Purported cases like this in the literature.

00:54:24.000 I've looked at them all.

00:54:25.000 What happens is, we would need a rigorous definition of, put it this way, if you could get COVID 19 twice, we would have seen hundreds of millions of cases.

00:54:38.000 Do you know how susceptible the elderly are?

00:54:40.000 This would have swept through the nursing homes over and over again.

00:54:43.000 We would have seen grandmothers on the ventilator 16 times.

00:54:46.000 I'm telling you right now, you can't get it twice.

00:54:48.000 The criteria are, and this is the reason why the CDC says it can't happen, the criteria would be that you have a positive PCR test.

00:54:55.000 At a low cycle threshold, less than 28.

00:54:58.000 And you're positive on the antigen immunoassay test, so the nucleocapsid is there, and you do sequencing and you can actually find the virus sequence there.

00:55:06.000 Now, you do that on two occasions.

00:55:08.000 You do that on one occasion, and someone's really sick and has the characteristic signs and symptoms, and you do it again six months later, then you actually have the first case of recurrent infection of COVID 19.

00:55:21.000 There's nothing that meets that rigor.

00:55:22.000 To make matters worse, the CDC has now admitted that the methodology they used for the PCR originally, the CDC methodology, That was distributed to all the departments of community health, and where the laboratory derived assays for the health systems in the early parts of the pandemic cannot distinguish between flu and on COVID 19.

00:55:42.000 So, invariably, someone had flu on occasion one and tested positive and was pretty sick, and then they had COVID 19 the second time.

00:55:49.000 Or vice versa.

00:55:50.000 Right.

00:55:52.000 So, if that's the case, why is there this resistance to the idea that people have natural immunity?

00:56:01.000 All roads lead to the vaccine.

00:56:04.000 All roads lead to the vaccine.

00:56:07.000 Why is there no single Harvard protocol or Mayo Clinic protocol to treat COVID 19 to prevent hospitalization and death?

00:56:15.000 Why?

00:56:16.000 We're two years into it.

00:56:17.000 You mean Harvard won't treat a single patient at home to prevent a hospitalization?

00:56:23.000 I said at the very beginning, I said there's two bad outcomes there's hospitalization and death.

00:56:27.000 That's it.

00:56:28.000 If you could get through this at home and not end up in the hospital, the whole world could get through this.

00:56:33.000 And you know, not a single leader could articulate that goal of avoiding these hospitalizations and deaths.

00:56:39.000 Trump couldn't say it.

00:56:39.000 Not a single leader.

00:56:40.000 Biden couldn't say it.

00:56:41.000 Marcon couldn't say it.

00:56:43.000 Nobody could actually state the problem.

00:56:44.000 This is what Scott Atlas is saying.

00:56:46.000 There is a global ineptitude where they can't even state what the problem is.

00:56:51.000 If you go to any one of these CEOs of these health systems and say, What are you doing to prevent hospitalizations and deaths with COVID 19 as a composite outcome?

00:56:59.000 They draw a blank.

00:57:03.000 If all roads lead to the vaccine, what is motivating all roads to lead to the vaccine?

00:57:10.000 Why is everyone falling in lockstep?

00:57:13.000 Why aren't there people who are looking at this logically and saying, you know, even if you get vaccinated, there's a good chance that you could have a breakthrough, particularly now?

00:57:23.000 There was a while back where they were saying that breakthroughs are incredibly rare.

00:57:27.000 They're not incredibly rare at all anymore.

00:57:28.000 I know 12, 13 people that have gotten COVID post vaccination, and I know a few of them that were hospitalized.

00:57:36.000 Trying to avoid hospitalization should be a priority for everybody, including people that are already vaccinated.

00:57:45.000 Why is there no emphasis on this?

00:57:48.000 What's the motivation?

00:57:50.000 Like, what is the motivation for all roads to lead to the vaccine in this binary approach that it's only the vaccine that can help us?

00:57:56.000 Well, let's be fair to the vaccines.

00:57:59.000 And I think this is important to mention.

00:58:02.000 I was under oath, testified in the U.S. Senate, and they asked the very last question they asked our panel Do you have any problems with the vaccines?

00:58:10.000 Timeframe, November 19th, 2020.

00:58:13.000 None of us said a word because all we had was press releases.

00:58:16.000 Joe, we learned that the vaccines out of the clinical trials over a two month period had 90% vaccine efficacy.

00:58:23.000 90%.

00:58:24.000 Now, what that meant is if you had a clinical trial and you had 18,000 people in each group, that vaccine versus placebo, that when you looked at the number of cases, there would be 100 cases of COVID in the control group, placebo group, and 10 cases in The vaccine group.

00:58:41.000 That's 90% vaccine efficacy, 100 versus 10, just giving sample numbers.

00:58:46.000 That looked terrific.

00:58:48.000 But interestingly, wait a minute, 18,000 in each group, what's the problem?

00:58:52.000 That meant that less than 1% of people got COVID.

00:58:56.000 Now, during that timeframe, our labs were recording 5, 10, 15% COVID positivity rates.

00:59:01.000 How did the vaccine trials recruit people with a less than 1% chance of getting COVID?

00:59:07.000 How did they find these people?

00:59:08.000 Well, I can tell you, we were a vaccine clinical trial center.

00:59:11.000 The most fastidious people, doctors, other people, they were very careful.

00:59:15.000 People, upper middle class WebExers who were just on WebEx, they were scared.

00:59:20.000 They were in the vaccine clinical trials.

00:59:21.000 They recruited people who never got challenged with COVID, they never even got exposed to COVID.

00:59:26.000 So, the vaccine clinical trials were not a good test run of if you got exposed to COVID, what would happen.

00:59:32.000 So, then the vaccines rolled out.

00:59:34.000 And, you know, we had December, people started enrolled, the young doctors in the hospital took it, I watched it happen.

00:59:40.000 Then they went to nursing home seniors, January, February.

00:59:44.000 And we got to February, I was like, wait a minute, where's the report?

00:59:48.000 White House task force, or the NIH, or CDC, or FDA.

00:59:51.000 They need to come on TV and give us a report.

00:59:53.000 How many people have been vaccinated?

00:59:55.000 How many people have?

00:59:56.000 failed the vaccine and get hospitalized anyway, and how many people have been injured with the vaccine or what's the side effects?

01:00:02.000 No report.

01:00:03.000 So we got to February and there was no report with the vaccines.

01:00:06.000 It turns out that we actually never learned what the vaccines were doing on efficacy until much later.

01:00:11.000 Now once we had August, September, and October, this is much later, we had data come in from arrears from the spring and we learned the following.

01:00:21.000 A paper by myself and colleagues from the CDC said for protection against hospitalization, there was substantial protection against hospitalization Now it's confounded by the fact that healthy people take the vaccines, less healthy people don't take the vaccines, and the hospitalization is confounded by the fact of differential testing, meaning that once somebody takes a vaccine, the hospitals don't test them for COVID when they come in for gallbladders or they come in for other things.

01:00:48.000 If someone doesn't take the vaccine, the hospital is testing them, right?

01:00:52.000 And we know people generate false positives.

01:00:54.000 So the differential testing exaggerated the effect of the vaccines.

01:00:58.000 But even with that exaggerated effect, I want to give your listeners a fair Evaluation of efficacy.

01:01:05.000 And what we know is that this first report that came in by SELF from MMWR, March through August of 2021, the vaccine efficacy for Moderna was 92%, for Pfizer was 77%, and Johnson Johnson 68%.

01:01:24.000 Now that's biased.

01:01:25.000 It's loaded with a lot of bias, but I'm telling you, the vaccines did do something in terms of reducing hospitalization and death.

01:01:31.000 Now, in the caveat, they say, listen, we didn't have data on Delta.

01:01:35.000 And it looks like the vaccine efficacy dropped off after six months.

01:01:39.000 Now, 1040 came in in JAMA, and this was published in the fall of this year.

01:01:46.000 And they had an 85% protection overall against hospitalization.

01:01:50.000 But again, don't forget the hospitalization could be influenced by this testing bias.

01:01:54.000 But if we look at the data in Figure 3, which is dealing with in this paper, people who really had COVID, and did they progress onto the mechanical ventilator or did they get worse?

01:02:04.000 And the answer was there was a 59% protection.

01:02:08.000 Against getting worse, but mortality in the 1040 paper, which is one of the best vaccine papers, mortality for those who took the vaccine and were hospitalized with COVID was 6.3%.

01:02:18.000 And mortality for unvaccinated and they just took their chances with COVID in the hospital was 8.6%.

01:02:24.000 And that p value was not statistically significant.

01:02:27.000 So there was a mortality benefit, but it wasn't statistically significant.

01:02:31.000 And so the last paper we have to point to is by Cohn and colleagues, Cohn from the VA, 780,000 individuals, 780, 225 individuals in the VA.

01:02:42.000 And they basically demonstrated that age over 65 for non COVID related deaths, the vaccine is associated with a reduction in non COVID related deaths, meaning people who take the vaccine are less likely to die because they, by selection bias, they had about a 1% overall absolute risk reduction in death.

01:03:03.000 And then the COVID protection from death due to COVID or death with COVID was about a 1.5% risk reduction.

01:03:11.000 That's it?

01:03:12.000 Absolute risk reduction.

01:03:12.000 So 1%?

01:03:13.000 That's Cohn and colleagues, age over 65.

01:03:17.000 Now, importantly, what happened is in September, the vaccine efficacy fell off a cliff for all the vaccines.

01:03:25.000 And what happened in September was very important.

01:03:27.000 September was about the six month anniversary of everybody because most everybody took the vaccines early.

01:03:33.000 And September was also the first month of fully shading in on Delta.

01:03:37.000 We got to 99% Delta, which basically many papers show is.

01:03:43.000 Resistant to the effect of the vaccines.

01:03:47.000 So, this one is much smaller than any of the reports you ever read online or see on television.

01:03:58.000 This is a much smaller avenue of efficacy.

01:04:03.000 I'm presenting the data in terms of absolute risk reduction from the survival curves.

01:04:08.000 There's a way of presenting it called relative risk reduction, which gives a much bigger number.

01:04:13.000 But what a lot of people want to know people on the street want to know listen, what's my chances?

01:04:18.000 Dying of COVID.

01:04:19.000 And I can just give you the number for U.S. veterans.

01:04:22.000 Let's have people listen to this.

01:04:24.000 And this is after about four to six months of taking the vaccine.

01:04:28.000 Those who are positive veterans over age 65, who are COVID positive and died with COVID 19, or let's flip it around to survival, Joe.

01:04:41.000 To survive COVID 19, the number was basically, I want to be exact since fact checkers will be looking at this, was 87% for those who took the vaccine.

01:04:58.000 And for those who did not take the vaccine, the number was about 78%.

01:05:08.000 So that number, yeah, that number was basically in the mid part, it's about 1.5%.

01:05:19.000 And then it extends out at the end of the survival curves.

01:05:22.000 To about a 10% absolute difference.

01:05:25.000 So, the vaccine efficacy drop off of six months, is this for everyone or is this for people?

01:05:31.000 There was a study that was recently highlighted showing the difference between the way obese people process antibodies.

01:05:41.000 Is this for everyone?

01:05:42.000 I mean, is it more effective in healthier individuals?

01:05:47.000 Is it more long lasting?

01:05:48.000 Yes?

01:05:49.000 The best paper to look at that is by Nordstrom and colleagues, Sweden.

01:05:53.000 1.6 million pairs of vaccinated, unvaccinated.

01:05:57.000 The outcome is symptomatic COVID 19 infection, not hospitalization and death.

01:06:02.000 Moderna starts out at a month at 92% vaccine efficacy.

01:06:07.000 I'm sorry, Pfizer starts out at 92% vaccine efficacy and it drops off to 23% after six months.

01:06:12.000 Moderna starts out at 96% and it drops down to 69%.

01:06:17.000 And now we have 22 studies showing that the vaccine efficacy basically markedly diminishes after six months.

01:06:23.000 That's the reason why all the authorities have agreed we have to give boosters at six months.

01:06:28.000 And the groups that do the worst, and this has been published, Are those who are immunocompromised?

01:06:33.000 So the immunocompromised people worry about them the most, but the bottom line is they get the least benefit of the vaccines.

01:06:40.000 They get the least benefit of the vaccine.

01:06:42.000 They're the people we worry about the most, and they're also the people that we don't criticize their choices, particularly the obese ones.

01:06:51.000 We don't say, which I think they should have said right off the bat.

01:06:54.000 Well, interesting immunocompromised by the CDC wouldn't include the obese.

01:06:58.000 So it includes people with blood disorders, chronic leukemia, includes those transplant recipients.

01:07:05.000 The most common category that your listeners would fall into is immunocompromised.

01:07:08.000 They're people on chronic corticosteroids.

01:07:10.000 So people with severe adult inset asthma.

01:07:13.000 Rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, that would be immunocompromised.

01:07:16.000 You're talking about general comorbidity categories like diabetes, obesity, heart and lung disease, kidney disease, chronic cancer.

01:07:23.000 Those are basically risk factors for hospitalization and death with COVID.

01:07:28.000 And there's a reason why, by the way, particularly obesity.

01:07:30.000 You know what it is?

01:07:31.000 Yeah, we talked about it, but please explain it because I can't repeat it.

01:07:35.000 The virus, SARS CoV 2, the virus, has got two very unique things as a viral syndrome.

01:07:42.000 The first is this cytokine storm or this hyper.

01:07:45.000 Immune activation.

01:07:47.000 And that cytokine storm leads with the most unique cytokine, interleukin 6.

01:07:52.000 We've never seen this before.

01:07:54.000 Interleukin 6 is produced by human fat cells.

01:07:58.000 So the virus triggers human fat cells to produce a ton of interleukin 6, which itself is damaging.

01:08:04.000 And so those who are fat have a much greater depot and an ability to produce the cytokine storm.

01:08:10.000 That's the reason why obesity is an exquisite risk factor for mortality.

01:08:16.000 Cytokine signature of SARS CoV 2.

01:08:18.000 The other thing that's unique about the infection is blood clotting.

01:08:22.000 We've never seen an infection that causes blood clotting.

01:08:25.000 Blood clotting is in the final pathway to death with this virus because of the spike protein.

01:08:31.000 The spike protein attaches to salic acid residues on the surface of red blood cells.

01:08:35.000 It causes micro, right blood cell aggregation.

01:08:39.000 It trips off the coagulation cascade in an interesting way.

01:08:42.000 And we can see this in patients where we see a D dimer level that's elevated.

01:08:48.000 And doctors learned.

01:08:49.000 To actually, as a signature of COVID 19, the D dimer levels, when they're elevated, it actually means this coagulation process is likely going on.

01:08:58.000 So, the compromise of the immune system that comes about from obesity, is it scalable?

01:09:04.000 Is it like if you are 100 pounds overweight, is it much worse than if you're 40 pounds overweight?

01:09:11.000 It's clearly scalable.

01:09:14.000 So, that's something that should have been discussed publicly, along with the drugs, along with the possible early treatment options. 0.92

01:09:22.000 Well, you know, if we could have, in a perfect world, if we addressed all four pillars of the pandemic response, if we did what Bangladesh did and just start actually doing the oral nasal hygiene approach in Bangladesh. 0.95

01:09:33.000 Is that what they did right away? 0.94

01:09:34.000 That's where the trials were done.

01:09:35.000 They're almost down to zero COVID.

01:09:36.000 There are 160 million people that are on top of each other over there.

01:09:39.000 They're down to almost zero COVID because they've got the discipline down to when they go out in public settings.

01:09:44.000 When you went out with that guy with a headache, when you came home, just do the oral nasal decontamination.

01:09:50.000 You would have knocked down the viral particles enough where your body probably would have fought off the rest.

01:09:54.000 And you don't get the syndrome.

01:09:56.000 Do you know my patients right now, when they're coming down with COVID, we actually blast with the dilute palvidone iodine in the nose and the mouth.

01:10:03.000 We blast every four hours while awake and we knock down the viral load, particularly with Delta.

01:10:09.000 Delta has 251 to 1,000 times viral load in the nose.

01:10:13.000 So it's replicating like mad.

01:10:15.000 And we can knock it down and reduce the amount of viral inoculum in the human body.

01:10:21.000 I personally had COVID, Joe.

01:10:23.000 It was in the fall of 2020.

01:10:25.000 I didn't know about this.

01:10:26.000 It baked in my nose and mouth for about three days.

01:10:29.000 And I sat there, I did nothing.

01:10:30.000 I was scrambling for oral drugs.

01:10:32.000 Why didn't I knock it down with some type of treatment in the nose?

01:10:36.000 You know, chronic sinusitis patients have been using netty pots or they've been using saline rinses.

01:10:41.000 All we have to do is add a little peroxide or a little bit iodine to that and knock down the viral load.

01:10:46.000 I could have had a much milder syndrome.

01:10:48.000 So that would be one way to approach it that you feel is very effective.

01:10:52.000 This other protocol that you have established is another great way to approach it.

01:10:59.000 Are there people that are in agreement or disagreement with you that you, like disagreement in particular, that you respect and you see some merit in what they're saying?

01:11:12.000 Well, the disagreement would be don't treat patients.

01:11:15.000 That's it.

01:11:16.000 Think about it.

01:11:17.000 Well, when I published the paper in the American Journal of Medicine, so I was the first person in the world to put a stake in the ground saying that we can treat COVID 19 at home and prevent hospitalization.

01:11:27.000 Has anyone said to you, don't treat patients?

01:11:29.000 I mean, so.

01:11:29.000 The letters of the editor came in, Joe.

01:11:32.000 There were about six of them.

01:11:33.000 They came in from Duke, from Menashe, from I think McGill in Montreal, from Europe, South America.

01:11:39.000 They said, Dr. McCullough, you can't treat COVID patients.

01:11:43.000 It's like, what?

01:11:44.000 They said, you can't treat.

01:11:45.000 You don't have enough evidence.

01:11:48.000 You can't do this.

01:11:49.000 You could cause harm.

01:11:51.000 And I, you know, my, I, at the, well, you know, Joe Alpert, who's the editor of American Journal of Medicine, he let this go on.

01:11:56.000 Every letter came back, and I said, overcome your fear and let's break the grip of therapeutic nihilism and let's start treating patients to prevent hospitalization and death.

01:12:09.000 And in our circles, there is no discussion.

01:12:13.000 You know, I was in the endowed lecture at Harvard.

01:12:16.000 Two years ago, it was fanfare.

01:12:17.000 Me and my wife, all these pictures, everything is wonderful.

01:12:20.000 Do you know not a single institution has invited me to lecture on the early treatment of COVID 19?

01:12:27.000 Remember, Harvard doesn't treat people.

01:12:29.000 Neither is Mayo Clinic.

01:12:30.000 Neither is UCLA.

01:12:31.000 Neither is the medical school here in Austin.

01:12:33.000 They don't treat a single patient.

01:12:35.000 They have nothing to offer.

01:12:37.000 When Didier Rialte set up his treatment program in Marseille, he put out tents outside the medical center there.

01:12:43.000 They try to shut them down.

01:12:45.000 He goes, Listen, I'm going to treat patients because they're sick.

01:12:48.000 Marseille, if you've ever been there, it's all these retired. 1.00

01:12:50.000 Older French citizens, pretty well to do. 1.00

01:12:53.000 They're down on the French Riviera.

01:12:54.000 They were getting sick with COVID 19.

01:12:56.000 He opened up an outpatient treatment center and he started treating people and started gathering his data.

01:13:01.000 They tried to shut him down.

01:13:02.000 They took hydroxychloroquine.

01:13:03.000 They made it over the counter.

01:13:06.000 There's been doctors arrested in South Africa for using ivermectin for crying out loud.

01:13:12.000 There has been suppression.

01:13:14.000 And where we know things really got obtuse is when we came to the monoclonal antibodies.

01:13:19.000 These monoclonal antibodies.

01:13:21.000 They really work.

01:13:22.000 And let me tell you what, we've got three terrific ones now.

01:13:25.000 We have Lily is back with a combination of bamalivimab and urticivimab, which is wonderful.

01:13:31.000 We have Regeneron, which Trump received, which is a combination of imdimimab and caracivimab.

01:13:37.000 And now GSK, since May, has socharivimab.

01:13:41.000 Socharivimab is actually antibodies directed against a glycoprotein, so it's going to be basically resistant to any mutant strains.

01:13:50.000 These antibodies in general, All the studies show, given early, have at least a 50%, if not an 85% reduction in hospitalization and death.

01:14:00.000 You took them.

01:14:01.000 I use them every day, Joe.

01:14:02.000 I took it when I got sick, and I think it's one of the primary reasons why I got better so quickly.

01:14:06.000 And you got, and what Aaron Rodgers got, and what President Trump got is basically how I drew it up for America and the world.

01:14:15.000 And you know that science is going the right way when people like myself and Pierre Corey and Didier Rialte and what have you were working independently.

01:14:24.000 And we come up with the same conclusions.

01:14:26.000 You know, Pierre and I did not recircle, did not actually come to much later.

01:14:30.000 And that's exactly what you want to see.

01:14:32.000 You want to see external validity, people working independently coming up with the same ideas.

01:14:36.000 What is the resistance to the monoclonal antibodies?

01:14:40.000 The resistance has been, in a sense, an opacity to them.

01:14:48.000 Meaning, I testified in the Texas Senate in March 2021, and right ahead of me was this wonderful doctor, and she talked about her 90 year old father who was saved by monoclonal antibodies.

01:15:02.000 And I sat through six hours of self congratulatory testimony by all these department heads across Texas.

01:15:08.000 They were talking about hand sanitizer and doing evaluations and vaccines.

01:15:12.000 I got up there and I told Quarkwart, who's the chair of the committee, who's right here in Austin, I said, Where are these monoclonal antibodies?

01:15:21.000 Where are they?

01:15:23.000 Where is the 1 800 number so we can access these monoclonal antibodies?

01:15:26.000 Where is the list of treatment centers where these monoclonal antibodies are?

01:15:30.000 How come we don't have billboards up there telling the poor seniors where the monoclonal antibodies are?

01:15:35.000 Do we stock these?

01:15:36.000 In nursing homes where people are getting sick?

01:15:39.000 Do we even know?

01:15:40.000 There is a hide and go seek going on with these monoclonal antibodies.

01:15:43.000 And I can tell you, in Florida, there's been a big push to use monoclonal antibodies, and they've had the same problem that there was this, in a sense, lack of government prioritization for the monoclonal antibodies.

01:15:58.000 When was the last time you saw a feature in the news on these monoclonal antibodies?

01:16:01.000 There's no word of them.

01:16:03.000 They're wonderful products.

01:16:05.000 Operation Warp Speed.

01:16:06.000 Are they limited in any way?

01:16:08.000 Are they limited?

01:16:08.000 No.

01:16:09.000 How are they produced?

01:16:11.000 Well, they're produced in the same technology that we would produce Humera and Remicade.

01:16:16.000 All these are called fully humanized monoclonal antibodies.

01:16:19.000 And so they're produced in a method where once there's a fully humanized mouse and the code for an antibody is created in the mouse, that gene is transferred into what's called the Chinese hamster ovary suspension.

01:16:33.000 And that actually produces massive quantities of the antibody.

01:16:36.000 That's how they're all produced.

01:16:38.000 And anybody who's taken Humera, anybody who's taken Ripatha or Prowuin, they know what I'm talking about.

01:16:44.000 And the point is, They're safe and effective.

01:16:47.000 In medical economics in 2020, it was already disclosed in a table that we had already purchased 100 million doses of these, and we had on order 500 million doses.

01:16:56.000 There are plenty of monoclonal antibodies.

01:16:58.000 My point is the governments, almost on purpose, and the local and federal state agencies are not featuring these.

01:17:06.000 And let me tell you, I gave a lecture, a symposium for doctors in Amarillo, and a doctor symposium, Amarillo Country Club, within the last month.

01:17:15.000 One doctor in the room was wearing a mask.

01:17:17.000 None of us were wearing a mask.

01:17:19.000 And I went over early treatment.

01:17:20.000 I went over all the science we talked about today.

01:17:23.000 And he goes, Listen, I'm the public health director here.

01:17:27.000 And I want to tell you something that 85% of people dying of COVID 19 in our county are unvaccinated.

01:17:37.000 I wanted to make that statement.

01:17:39.000 And I said, Listen, you're running the monoclonal antibody program here.

01:17:43.000 How many of these deaths receive monoclonal antibodies?

01:17:46.000 He goes, Well, I don't know that.

01:17:47.000 I said, Listen, the vaccines aren't treatment.

01:17:50.000 The vaccines aren't treatment.

01:17:52.000 The monoclonal antibodies are treatment.

01:17:55.000 Do you see the absurdity of this?

01:17:58.000 This is the mass psychosis.

01:17:59.000 He is completely and totally focused on the vaccine, yet he's got the most important tool right in front of him.

01:18:06.000 What I said in the Texas Senate, I said the most important thing is the sick person right in front of you.

01:18:11.000 That's it.

01:18:12.000 At any given time, it's way less than 1% of people are sick with COVID 19.

01:18:16.000 Focus on the sick person, and then that's how we win the battle against COVID 19.

01:18:20.000 Do you think that it's possible that people will wake up?

01:18:23.000 To the idea that there should be many approaches to this as the vaccines wane in efficacy and as people start to become more resistant to boosters, then maybe they'll look at these things.

01:18:36.000 Because what's confusing to people is that, well, if this is all some sort of a plot by the pharmaceutical companies to make exorbitant amounts of money, why aren't they trying to make exorbitant amounts of money off the monoclonal antibodies, which are also expensive?

01:18:50.000 Yeah, I tell you, it's a great argument.

01:18:51.000 We'll see, you know, Mulapirvir, which is the Merck drug, which I think is going to be modestly effective.

01:18:58.000 The registrational trials finally came in about a 30% effect size, so a little less than hydroxy or ivermectin.

01:19:04.000 Ivermectin, as the oral drug, probably has the best efficacy of the three.

01:19:08.000 And I think molapirivir is going to be similar to pafipirivir.

01:19:12.000 We will have to see, but the point I'm making is that listen, the monoclonal antibodies were before the vaccines.

01:19:18.000 They're emergency use authorized.

01:19:19.000 They're more impressive results.

01:19:22.000 You know, there's nothing to suggest that the vaccines can have anywhere near the treatment effect because so many people who take the vaccines don't get COVID.

01:19:33.000 So many people who take the vaccines don't get COVID.

01:19:35.000 They never get COVID.

01:19:36.000 Right.

01:19:37.000 You know, what does the VA data show you?

01:19:39.000 96% of people who take the vaccines never get COVID.

01:19:42.000 So the vaccines are given to a large number of people who are never going to come in contact with the vaccine.

01:19:48.000 Remember the registration of trials?

01:19:49.000 Why would you say never?

01:19:50.000 They just haven't.

01:19:51.000 I mean, we're relatively new in this thing, right?

01:19:53.000 Well, the CDC tells us 146 million people have already had it.

01:19:58.000 Right.

01:19:58.000 Have already had it.

01:19:59.000 Now, those data run in arrears.

01:20:01.000 We could be closer to 200 million people who have already had it.

01:20:04.000 Do you think there's any reason for someone who's already had COVID to get vaccinated?

01:20:09.000 No, there's three studies well characterized, and three more that have weighed in and preprinted showing harm.

01:20:15.000 So we've already covered the fact that recovered people don't get COVID a second time.

01:20:20.000 And even if you argue that you think you can find a case here and there, boy, it's one in seven billion people who can get COVID a second time.

01:20:28.000 It's rare as hen's teeth if it even happens.

01:20:30.000 So the point is if you can't get it a second time, you can only be exposed to harms.

01:20:36.000 So, the vaccines, like any other medical treatment, are not free of adverse effects.

01:20:42.000 Now, what if someone got a very mild case of COVID, an asymptomatic test that showed up, or asymptomatic cases showed up as a PCR test, especially when they were running, what was it, like 40 cycles at one point in time?

01:20:55.000 If that person tested positive on multiple occasions but does not show antibodies in an antibody test, do you think for that person it would be a good idea to get vaccinated?

01:21:06.000 You know, if one, there's three ways to prove your immunity.

01:21:10.000 One is you have a concrete case of COVID 19.

01:21:13.000 So you have the characteristics, signs, and symptoms.

01:21:14.000 You were sick, positive PCR test, preferably low cycle threshold, antigen test.

01:21:20.000 I got COVID 19.

01:21:22.000 I was in FDA approved research.

01:21:22.000 I did the right thing.

01:21:24.000 I took hydroxychloroquine in FDA approved research, and I tested positive for the PCR, but also the antigen.

01:21:31.000 So I had, you know, COVID 19 is such an important diagnosis.

01:21:34.000 Why do we confirm it?

01:21:35.000 In HIV, we always use confirmatory testing.

01:21:37.000 We don't ride on one test alone.

01:21:39.000 But in the case where it's well documented and you're sick, you're done.

01:21:43.000 You basically have permanent immunity at that point.

01:21:45.000 Over 135 studies support that now.

01:21:48.000 Paul Alexander.

01:21:49.000 Permanent immunity.

01:21:50.000 Permanent.

01:21:51.000 SARS CoV 1, which is 90% similar to SARS CoV 2, it's forever.

01:21:56.000 If you have symptoms and you recover from those symptoms, likely you have lifetime immunity.

01:21:56.000 It's forever.

01:22:02.000 Everything we can tell, it's just like SARS CoV 1.

01:22:04.000 SARS CoV 1 is 17 years old, it's one and done, supported by 135 studies.

01:22:10.000 And this recent CDC, the CDC.

01:22:13.000 Is a stakeholder in the vaccine program.

01:22:15.000 They're running it with the FDA.

01:22:16.000 They are?

01:22:17.000 They are.

01:22:17.000 The CDC and FDA are the sponsors of the U.S. vaccine program.

01:22:23.000 And they've been telling people recovered that they should take the vaccine because they could have it again.

01:22:27.000 And that's the reason why, when they were pressed to say, listen, find a case of someone who really had COVID 19 a second time, they couldn't find a case.

01:22:34.000 That was the most revealing news that came out of the CDC in weeks, and it was great news for America.

01:22:39.000 So you think that recommendation is not based on science?

01:22:42.000 It's based on the idea that they want to distribute as many vaccines as possible.

01:22:46.000 Well, it's based originally out of a concern of caution.

01:22:48.000 Don't forget the vaccine recommendations.

01:22:50.000 Yeah, originally.

01:22:50.000 Originally.

01:22:51.000 So, listen, we're not sure if you can get it again.

01:22:53.000 Take the vaccine, right?

01:22:54.000 So they were just general.

01:22:55.000 Remember, the vaccines originally were just offered as they should.

01:22:58.000 They're research.

01:22:59.000 The vaccines are research.

01:23:01.000 They are all investigational research.

01:23:03.000 And so nobody can encourage somebody to take a vaccine, by the way. 0.65

01:23:07.000 That violates the Nuremberg Code.

01:23:08.000 Can't do it.

01:23:09.000 Research is neutral.

01:23:11.000 As a doctor, I can never tell somebody they should take the COVID 19 vaccine.

01:23:15.000 Because same reason why I can't tell them, say, listen, you should be in my research study.

01:23:15.000 Why?

01:23:18.000 You should take my research pill for diabetes.

01:23:21.000 You know, if I told them that, you should be in my research study, I'd be sanctioned by the IRB, I'd be called by the FDA.

01:23:26.000 That's out of bounds.

01:23:27.000 We never give any pressure, coercion, or threat of reprisal for participating in research. 0.76

01:23:32.000 Violates the Nuremberg Code.

01:23:35.000 And we certainly wouldn't do it with these vaccines because we don't have all the data yet.

01:23:38.000 And yet, so many people are doing that.

01:23:40.000 Well, I tell you right now, they're walking a line on bioethics that they will be held accountable.

01:23:47.000 You can't do that.

01:23:48.000 You can't do that.

01:23:49.000 No one can.

01:23:50.000 No good doctor can.

01:23:53.000 No good doctor.

01:23:54.000 Now, getting back to vaccine safety.

01:23:56.000 So the idea here is that we have to reconcile.

01:24:01.000 With vaccine safety.

01:24:02.000 So the story is by January 22nd, we already had 182 deaths after the vaccine.

01:24:07.000 January 22nd.

01:24:09.000 For all the vaccines combined, 278 million shots given each year in the United States, kids, adults, me and you.

01:24:18.000 I took two last year, I took one this year.

01:24:20.000 270 million shots.

01:24:21.000 The average number of deaths that would ever come into our central database, about 150.

01:24:27.000 We've been keeping this database for 20 years.

01:24:29.000 Suddenly, we are at 182.

01:24:32.000 And then it was a very important recognition that many of us had.

01:24:35.000 Say, wait a minute, the CDC and FDA, they didn't have any safety review.

01:24:40.000 They didn't have an external critical event committee.

01:24:43.000 They didn't have a data safety monitoring committee.

01:24:46.000 And they didn't have a human ethics board assigned to the program.

01:24:49.000 It turns out we had the wrong agencies leading the program.

01:24:52.000 The FDA is supposed to be the drug watch government organization, they don't lead clinical programs.

01:24:59.000 The CDC is supposed to be the outbreak evaluation program, they don't lead clinical programs.

01:25:04.000 So, in fact, we actually had the wrong people leading the programs, and then we didn't have the independent safety committees.

01:25:15.000 So, there was nobody to stop the program in February.

01:25:18.000 Normally, what happens is you get five deaths after any product that's unexplained.

01:25:23.000 Black box warning may cause death.

01:25:25.000 You get to 50 deaths.

01:25:27.000 I don't care if 50 million, 60 million people take the drug.

01:25:30.000 You get to 50 deaths, it's off the market, and it gets reviewed for safety.

01:25:34.000 I've been involved with these, Joe, at a national level.

01:25:36.000 We never let a drug.

01:25:38.000 Go on and be associated with 50 deaths afterwards.

01:25:41.000 We were at 182, and there was no safety review.

01:25:43.000 Remember, I told you in February, I demanded, as a citizen, a report from the federal government.

01:25:50.000 We needed a report and a press briefing on vaccine safety and efficacy.

01:25:53.000 We never got it.

01:25:54.000 Can I pause you for a second there?

01:25:55.000 But isn't it rare that a group of people as large as the number of people that are getting vaccinated participates in some, if you want to call it an experiment or whatever it is?

01:26:05.000 But this is essentially a mass inoculation.

01:26:08.000 It's an extremely large number of human beings.

01:26:10.000 So if you're getting 182, Well, we had 182.

01:26:14.000 Shouldn't it be scalable?

01:26:16.000 Well, we had 182 at 27 million shots.

01:26:21.000 182, 27 million shots.

01:26:23.000 Remember, the standard is 150 at 278 million shots.

01:26:28.000 So, 150 to 278, we had 182 to 27.

01:26:31.000 So, on normal conditions.

01:26:33.000 But the idea was that people were dying from the pandemic and they were dying from COVID.

01:26:37.000 So, here's the idea.

01:26:39.000 And this is the best example.

01:26:40.000 There was somebody in my circles around March, came by my house, a guy like you, in shape, came by, biking.

01:26:47.000 Him and his wife said, We took the vaccines.

01:26:49.000 We took the vaccines.

01:26:50.000 We're safe.

01:26:52.000 I said, listen, I'm kind of concerned.

01:26:53.000 By March, we're at 1,200 deaths, Joe.

01:26:56.000 1,200 deaths.

01:26:58.000 I said, we're at 1,200 deaths.

01:27:00.000 He goes, what are you talking about?

01:27:01.000 We vaccinated 60 million people.

01:27:04.000 1,200 deaths, small price to pay. 1.00

01:27:08.000 I continue the thought in my mind small price to pay for the Aryan race. 1.00

01:27:13.000 That is the type of thinking that comes into people's minds, driven out of fear, driven out of mass psychosis, that say, listen, I took the shot. 0.99

01:27:22.000 I took a risk.

01:27:23.000 If it kills somebody else, I don't care.

01:27:25.000 Well, there is a thing that people that took the shot and took the risk want other people to do the same.

01:27:31.000 That's exactly right.

01:27:33.000 Now, fast forward, where we are today, we're at 18,000 deaths.

01:27:38.000 And this is just the VARES, which is underreported.

01:27:41.000 This is VARES, Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.

01:27:45.000 And we know in that system, these are certified by the CDC.

01:27:48.000 So the red box report comes up once a week, it's certified by the CDC.

01:27:52.000 That means all these events really happened because they come in as temporary VARES numbers and then they vet them.

01:27:57.000 So all of these really happened.

01:27:58.000 18,000 deaths.

01:28:00.000 There are.

01:28:01.000 30,000 individuals who are permanently disabled after the vaccine.

01:28:06.000 250,000 emergency room visits, office visits, other healthcare encounters related to the vaccine.

01:28:14.000 We have two separate analyses showing one from McLachlan from Queen's University in London, one from Jessica Rose from Canada, showing that 50% of these deaths occur within 48 hours of the shot, that 80% of the deaths occur within a week.

01:28:30.000 They're very tightly related.

01:28:32.000 We now know that the spike protein after these vaccines is produced in the body for an uncontrolled quantity and an uncontrolled duration of time.

01:28:42.000 And because the antibodies to the spike protein after the vaccine are so high compared to the respiratory infection, we now infer that, in fact, one gets a much larger dose of the spike protein after vaccination than the respiratory illness.

01:28:58.000 And in some people, they invariably can't handle the spike protein exposure to the human body.

01:29:04.000 Who dies?

01:29:05.000 McLachlan looked at this.

01:29:07.000 And found that the vast majority of deaths are in seniors, the very people we wanted to protect.

01:29:13.000 So the deaths are occurring in nursing home residents, people in their 80s, high 70s, and on down.

01:29:18.000 McLachlan took, he had 1,200 deaths at the time of the publication, took them and coded the deaths rigorously through the vignettes, independent reviewers, by causality.

01:29:28.000 It was actually due to the vaccine.

01:29:30.000 And they ascertained that 86% of the time there was no other cause outside the vaccine.

01:29:36.000 No other cause.

01:29:38.000 86%.

01:29:39.000 86%. 0.99

01:29:40.000 Now, How do they do that when you're dealing with someone who's that old? 0.95

01:29:44.000 Well, you have a vignette and you kind of read the vignette.

01:29:46.000 There's been separately nursing home studies.

01:29:48.000 There's one by Kirkendall and colleagues that in nursing homes, they had 100 deaths after the vaccine in a nursing home in Scandinavia.

01:29:55.000 So they reviewed the deaths.

01:29:57.000 They came up with a number closer to 40% were directly due to the vaccine.

01:30:01.000 But what I'm saying is just like the respiratory infection takes out people who are teetering on the brink of survival, right?

01:30:08.000 The vaccine does the same thing because the vaccine and the respiratory illness are one in the same in terms of the spike protein.

01:30:14.000 We're giving the body back.

01:30:16.000 The spike protein in relatively high quantities.

01:30:19.000 And then a whole bunch of things have come out.

01:30:20.000 So, in VARES, to make sure your audience has this down, 18,000 deaths.

01:30:24.000 That's everything reported in, we know from a paper by Meisner and colleagues before COVID, that about 86%, 85% of these reports are done by doctors, nurses, or other healthcare professionals.

01:30:38.000 I think the vaccine caused the problem.

01:30:40.000 And also the pharmaceutical manufacturers, only about 14%, 15% are done by the patient themselves.

01:30:46.000 We know from the data presented in the Whistleblower.

01:30:51.000 There's an FDA whistleblower lawsuit for deaths after the vaccine that was filed by attorney Tom Rents using CMS data.

01:31:00.000 So in CMS, we also know when they got the vaccine and who they died.

01:31:04.000 And it doesn't depend on self reporting, right?

01:31:05.000 Because CMS, the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, they know when people come off the rolls.

01:31:10.000 And there, the under reporting number was established.

01:31:14.000 So we know VARs are under reported by about four to five.

01:31:17.000 So of those 18,000 deaths, 9,000 are domestic.

01:31:20.000 9,000 are ex U.S., but they report through our systems.

01:31:24.000 So if we have 9,000 Americans truly have died after the vaccine, and the underreporting number is about five, we're at 45,000 American lives lost, and that's what's in the FDA.

01:31:34.000 That's a lawsuit against the FDA.

01:31:36.000 How did they arrive at that number of underreporting?

01:31:38.000 There was a Harvard study that showed underreporting being as high as 1%.

01:31:45.000 Yeah.

01:31:46.000 Meaning they only report 1% of the virus.

01:31:48.000 So the Harvard study with the HPV, or human papillomavirus vaccine, That's all it was about?

01:31:48.000 Right.

01:31:54.000 And the idea is, well, parents and kids are getting it and what have you.

01:31:54.000 Yeah.

01:31:58.000 So it's probably gross.

01:31:59.000 There's probably gross underreporting there.

01:32:01.000 COVID, people are on edge, right?

01:32:03.000 And so, what CMS, the CMS data basically, you know when someone got the shot and you know when they died.

01:32:10.000 And so, we know what proportion of the U.S. population are CMS recipients.

01:32:14.000 So, by extrapolation, can calculate what the real number is.

01:32:17.000 So, the real number at the time they filed, the number was round about 45,000 compared to what was in VARES.

01:32:23.000 That's how we can get to the underreporting.

01:32:26.000 Relationship of four to five. 0.60

01:32:28.000 And we think that's a fair number. 1.00

01:32:29.000 Four to five is probably a fair number.

01:32:31.000 Now, what is the difference between the way the spike protein interacts with the body via infection from respiratory illness versus an injection from the vaccine?

01:32:42.000 Well, we learned July 29th, Bruce Patterson, who's a terrific molecular biologist, he's between Northwestern and Stanford, showed for the first time with a respiratory infection the S1 segment of the spike protein is recoverable in human monocytes.

01:32:56.000 For up to 15 months after infection.

01:32:59.000 So you had the infection, Joe.

01:33:01.000 You got 15 months to clear that stuff out.

01:33:03.000 Now, maybe sooner and hopefully lower exposure.

01:33:07.000 You got monoclonal antibodies, other drugs.

01:33:08.000 I got drugs.

01:33:10.000 Hopefully we had less exposure to it.

01:33:12.000 Our bodies can be free of the spike protein.

01:33:14.000 The S1 segment's the outer segment.

01:33:16.000 That's the one that actually docks with the ACE2 receptor.

01:33:19.000 The S2 segment's the one closer to the ball of the virus.

01:33:22.000 Now, I interviewed Bruce Patterson for the McCullough Report on America Out Loud Talk Radio, the McCullough Report.

01:33:28.000 And what Bruce told me.

01:33:29.000 And he had the data that in the vaccinated individuals, as long as he can see after the vaccination, they have measurable spike protein, S1 and S2 segments, within the monocytes.

01:33:41.000 We knew from a paper by Ogata and colleagues from Harvard, which showed that the free floating spike protein was in the plasma for, on average, two weeks after the vaccines, messenger RNA vaccines.

01:33:52.000 But one person in their study, it was measurable in plasma for 29 days.

01:33:56.000 So that's spike protein emia in the plasma.

01:33:59.000 The spike protein.

01:34:00.000 Damages cells.

01:34:02.000 It goes damages cells in the heart, the brain, damages blood vessels, causes blood clotting.

01:34:09.000 We know the spike protein is dangerous.

01:34:11.000 A paper by Ovolio shows it damages heart muscle cells, pericytes.

01:34:15.000 The FDA has warnings on the vaccines for myocarditis or heart damage.

01:34:20.000 So, this is biologically cohesive that the vaccines could damage the human body and cause death.

01:34:26.000 So, the biological plausibility is there.

01:34:29.000 We know that it's a strong signal, so we have that.

01:34:32.000 We know that it's internally consistent in the VAR system, meaning there are other non fatal events like heart attacks, blood clots, myocarditis.

01:34:40.000 And now it's externally consistent.

01:34:41.000 The same pattern is seen in the yellow card system in the UK through the MHRA, and it's also seen in the Udris system.

01:34:48.000 In Europe.

01:34:49.000 So, what I've laid out for you is we've fulfilled what's called the Bradford Hill criteria for causality.

01:34:56.000 That means it's it.

01:34:57.000 I'm an epidemiologist by training.

01:34:58.000 This is my line of work.

01:35:00.000 I'm telling you, for a large number of individuals, the vaccine has caused death and these vaccine induced organ injury syndromes.

01:35:11.000 Why is it that it doesn't affect most people this way?

01:35:16.000 If you look at the vast majority of people that have been vaccinated, and that's one of the things that we have to go on in this country, is that Literally, what is it?

01:35:23.000 It's over 200 million people, I believe, have been vaccinated.

01:35:26.000 That's an enormous amount of human beings.

01:35:29.000 Most of them are fine.

01:35:31.000 Is that an accurate statement?

01:35:33.000 You know, it's just, again, just like the respiratory infection.

01:35:36.000 You know, we've had 146 million people who have had the respiratory infection, less than 1%'s died.

01:35:41.000 Right, but the ones that have gotten the injection and died or got myocarditis versus the ones who got the injection and nothing happened at all.

01:35:52.000 What's the difference?

01:35:53.000 What happened?

01:35:54.000 Again, just like the respiratory infection.

01:35:55.000 Remember, you and I had the respiratory infection.

01:35:57.000 We're perfectly fine.

01:35:58.000 We're sitting here talking.

01:35:59.000 99% of people who got the respiratory infection are fine.

01:36:02.000 99% of people who got the vaccine are fine.

01:36:04.000 So we're 200 million people who got the vaccines, and we have about 1 million people injured.

01:36:09.000 So it's the same.

01:36:10.000 They're identically the same.

01:36:12.000 It's the same concept. 0.93

01:36:14.000 So what do you think is causing the damage in the 1%?

01:36:18.000 Just like with the respiratory infection, it's all about susceptibility.

01:36:22.000 Remember, in the respiratory infection, it's the elderly, those with medical problems.

01:36:27.000 Those with comorbidities.

01:36:28.000 It's the same thing. 0.99

01:36:30.000 So, with the vaccine, it's the elderly.

01:36:32.000 It's with comorbidities.

01:36:33.000 For instance, blood clotting.

01:36:35.000 Those who have inherited proclivity to blood clotting are going to be the ones who are likely to form the fatal blood clots that happen with the vaccine.

01:36:44.000 Invariably, there's going to be some determinants of who develops the myocarditis.

01:36:49.000 We have a lead on this, by the way.

01:36:50.000 The myocarditis is not equal in terms of gender, it's running about 80% boys and 20% girls. 0.85

01:36:56.000 So, it must be some relationship. 0.83

01:36:58.000 Well, I'm glad you said boys and not. 0.98

01:37:00.000 Men, because that's what I'm asking you about.

01:37:03.000 These are not people that have a susceptibility to a disease.

01:37:07.000 They don't have a pre existing condition.

01:37:10.000 They're young people and they're getting myocarditis.

01:37:13.000 So, what is causing that?

01:37:17.000 In a paper from Finland, an important paper done before COVID 19, where they collected all the myocarditis cases in Finland before COVID 19, they established kind of who got it and what was the rate.

01:37:32.000 And in that paper, I believe the first author is Tashopi.

01:37:36.000 What it showed was that there is an age gradient that occurs as one goes from age 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, very, very little.

01:37:47.000 And then once it approaches puberty, it goes up.

01:37:49.000 After age 12, it really goes up, 12 to 17 or 18. 0.51

01:37:54.000 And it runs about 80% boys, 90% boys.

01:37:59.000 And importantly, the number per million, you could actually calculate the number per million per year.

01:38:06.000 Came out to four cases per million per year.

01:38:09.000 So, if you figure that we have, let's make it easy math, let's say we have 70 million kids in the United States, and we do 70 times 4, that would be 280 kids of myocarditis.

01:38:24.000 Some people say add on teenagers or other people, we could get to 700, 800 cases of myocarditis per year.

01:38:29.000 Do you know what we're in at Fairs right now, Joe?

01:38:32.000 13,000 certified cases of myocarditis, pericarditis.

01:38:36.000 I know because I've reported some.

01:38:38.000 So, some kids have come to my clinic, they've had heart inflammation.

01:38:42.000 We know in a paper by Tracy Hoag from UC Davis, thousands of cases of myocarditis from VARS and VSAFE, 86% of these kids have to be hospitalized.

01:38:50.000 They're sick.

01:38:51.000 They have chest pain.

01:38:52.000 They have SD segment elevation on the EKG.

01:38:54.000 Sky high troponins.

01:38:56.000 The blood test for heart injury is about 10 to 100 fold that of a man having a heart attack.

01:39:01.000 These are kids having significant heart damage.

01:39:04.000 About a quarter have incipient heart failure, as seen by ECHO.

01:39:07.000 I've seen them in follow up in my clinic.

01:39:09.000 We have to use heart failure drugs.

01:39:11.000 And very importantly, to treat myocarditis, No physical activity.

01:39:15.000 Physical activity can trigger sudden cardiac death.

01:39:18.000 So, no physical activity for sure.

01:39:20.000 I've done this in my practice.

01:39:21.000 The point I'm making, Joe, is the CDC calls me and says, Dr. McCullough, we want to review this case with you.

01:39:26.000 And we go over it.

01:39:28.000 And we agree after we go over the labs and what have you 13,000 certified cases of myocarditis, pericarditis.

01:39:35.000 That number should be no more than 600 on a background rate.

01:39:39.000 So, no physical activity.

01:39:41.000 So, when these people do have this heart inflammation and then they have physical activity, that's what's causing.

01:39:46.000 Like, do you believe there's been a rash of cases of soccer players in particular?

01:39:52.000 I'm sure you're probably aware of this that have collapsed andor died, and it's much higher than normal.

01:39:59.000 Do you think that that's probably what's attributable to that?

01:40:05.000 There is a montage of deaths on the soccer field, rugby field, particularly in Europe, overseas.

01:40:12.000 It's interesting, not in the United States, but overseas, that's concerning.

01:40:16.000 Now, of course, you know, each case is his own case.

01:40:19.000 Did they take a vaccine?

01:40:20.000 When did they take a vaccine?

01:40:23.000 Could they have taken a vaccine in the last six months?

01:40:26.000 Could they have some subclinical symptoms?

01:40:28.000 It's hard when you're a young athlete and you're sore all over.

01:40:32.000 The chest soreness may not be that demonstrable.

01:40:35.000 And vigorous physical activity, particularly that start stop, especially soccer, particularly, would make me think.

01:40:42.000 But if that's the case, and it was myocarditis, wouldn't we be seeing the NBA and NFL and elsewhere?

01:40:50.000 It raises the suspicion.

01:40:51.000 The myocarditis, there's strict warnings against this.

01:40:54.000 Remember, FDA has on Moderna and Pfizer warnings on myocarditis.

01:41:00.000 Jessica Rose and I published in Current Problems of Cardiology a paper from theirs.

01:41:04.000 And the upper tail of the myocarditis for men goes all the way up to age 50.

01:41:09.000 So I'm telling you, I have somebody in my practice who's well above the teenage years who has myocarditis.

01:41:15.000 We're going to see more and more because it's now known and the FDA agrees that the vaccines, in fact, do go to the heart.

01:41:22.000 They get distributed all in the body. 0.99

01:41:25.000 And in fact, the Koreans. 1.00

01:41:26.000 We had the first fatal case of myocarditis I'm aware of reported from Washington University in St. Louis in an American who took the vaccine.

01:41:34.000 And now the Koreans have reported one patient of a young lady got put on ECMO.

01:41:38.000 She survived.

01:41:38.000 She got 10 minutes of CPR and got put on extracorporeal membrane oxygenation.

01:41:42.000 But sadly, another Korean man died and did an autopsy.

01:41:42.000 She survived.

01:41:46.000 His heart was loaded with inflammation.

01:41:48.000 You know, the heart swells, gets to be about double the size in a matter of just a few days after taking the vaccine with myocarditis.

01:41:55.000 It's explosive after shot number two.

01:41:58.000 So, two questions in regards to what you just said.

01:42:01.000 Soccer, I think, is probably one of the most cardio intensive sports because it's an enormous field and they're constantly running.

01:42:08.000 They have these long sprints.

01:42:10.000 I don't think it's comparable in the same sense as the NBA.

01:42:14.000 I think the NBA is a much smaller playing field and I just don't think it's.

01:42:20.000 Obviously, you have to be in great shape, but I don't think it's as cardio intensive.

01:42:25.000 The vaccine causing this, why would it be.

01:42:31.000 That is, are they getting different vaccines in Europe where these soccer players are dropping?

01:42:38.000 And if that's the case, are some vaccines more susceptible to myocarditis?

01:42:47.000 And then the other question is, does myocarditis reverse itself?

01:42:53.000 Like, if you have myocarditis, is that automatically going to take years off your life, even if you recover from it?

01:43:00.000 Because you refer to it as a non fatal adverse event.

01:43:06.000 If that's a non fatal adverse event, does one eventually get back to normal with myocarditis?

01:43:14.000 Myocarditis, again, if we're at 400 to 800 cases in the United States per year, and over the course of my career, I've seen one or two cases of spontaneous myocarditis before COVID.

01:43:28.000 One or two?

01:43:29.000 One or two.

01:43:30.000 That's it, my whole career, because it's rare, obviously.

01:43:32.000 And what would that be from?

01:43:33.000 What would be the cause of it?

01:43:35.000 The most fatal type is called giant cell myocarditis.

01:43:38.000 It literally is idiopathic, comes out of.

01:43:41.000 Nowhere.

01:43:41.000 We don't know what causes it.

01:43:42.000 There's other forms, adenoviruses, parvoviruses, that can cause myocarditis.

01:43:49.000 And these are typically treated just supportively.

01:43:55.000 There was a randomized trial, and actually Dallas, Texas played a big role in it called the Myocarditis Treatment Trial, MITT.

01:44:03.000 And that did biopsies and showed routine cardiac biopsies were not useful outside of trying to diagnose giant cell myocarditis.

01:44:10.000 And then lastly, that routine corticosteroids weren't useful.

01:44:13.000 Having said that, when we try to treat patients, we end up using colchicine, sometimes some other drugs.

01:44:19.000 I want to get the right citations down.

01:44:20.000 So, the paper from Finland was by Arola and colleagues.

01:44:24.000 They came with the estimate of four cases per million per year as a baseline.

01:44:28.000 So, that means in the United States, 400, 800 cases a year.

01:44:30.000 We've already gotten to over 13,000 cases in the United States.

01:44:36.000 And we've seen cases of myocarditis, by the way, reported in the U.S. military, been reported from Israel, France, and elsewhere.

01:44:44.000 The paper that showed it.

01:44:45.000 Directly invades the heart, the spike protein.

01:44:47.000 That was by Avolio and colleagues in the pericytes.

01:44:50.000 And very importantly, the prognosis is what you're asking about.

01:44:54.000 The prognosis paper was published by Karsten Chopi, and that was in Circulation Research 2019.

01:45:00.000 And what it showed is it showed that 13% of myocarditis, this before COVID, ends up with progressive heart failure and worsening.

01:45:09.000 My fear is some of these kids who develop myocarditis will be in a 13% category where they have progressive left ventricular dysfunction and heart failure.

01:45:19.000 So, The myocarditis they're experiencing right now is damaged heart tissue, and that that damaged heart tissue is not going to heal, and that it in fact might get worse.

01:45:31.000 The estimates are, and again, I'm applying data from other forms of myocarditis before COVID.

01:45:37.000 Yes.

01:45:38.000 And COVID looks like a pretty severe form of it, to be honest with you, because it's putting 86% of the kids in the hospital.

01:45:44.000 You know, there's myocarditis that we actually don't hospitalize.

01:45:47.000 We can treat myocarditis and myopericarditis in the office, but these kids are sick enough to be hospitalized.

01:45:51.000 I'm inferring that it's severe forms of it.

01:45:55.000 This estimate from this paper would be 13% risk of, in these kids, of developing heart failure or needing things like ICDs, heart failure, oral drugs, later on cardiac transplant or cardiac death.

01:46:09.000 When you say cardiac transplant, you're talking about heart transplant.

01:46:12.000 Yeah.

01:46:13.000 I read, we reviewed a horrible case of a 19 year old girl who was vaccinated and wound up having a heart attack, heart failure, heart transplant.

01:46:25.000 And then, because of the immunocompromising drugs that they put her on to accept the transplant, she got pneumonia and died.

01:46:33.000 19.

01:46:34.000 I said on national TV in June when the FDA just had 200 cases they reviewed, FDA and CDC reviewed 200.

01:46:41.000 The FDA and CDC said two things I think that were irresponsible.

01:46:44.000 I'll call them out on it because I can.

01:46:47.000 And that is, they said it's rare and they said it's mild.

01:46:50.000 And I was on national TV saying, listen, in safety research, we never say the word rare, we say tip of the iceberg.

01:46:57.000 This is probably just the beginning of what we're going to see.

01:47:00.000 And it's not mild because even in June, 90% were hospitalized.

01:47:04.000 And sure enough, now we have 13,000 cases, 86% hospitalized.

01:47:08.000 And you know, the Hogue analysis shows that a young boy is more likely to be hospitalized with myocarditis than ever be hospitalized with COVID 19, the respiratory illness.

01:47:18.000 Yeah, we showed that to Sanjay Gupta, and he was incredulous.

01:47:23.000 When you're looking at this chart in front of you, what percentage of the people recover fully from myocarditis pre pandemic, pre COVID 19?

01:47:34.000 You know, in this paper by Tishopi, this is good.

01:47:36.000 This is like a medical grand rounds on Joe Rogan.

01:47:39.000 I love it, Joe.

01:47:40.000 So, in this figure one from the Tishopi paper, 27% never deviated from normal heart function.

01:47:47.000 So, they were good all the way through.

01:47:49.000 They clinically had myocarditis.

01:47:51.000 26% were categorized as recovered fully.

01:47:55.000 Fully.

01:47:56.000 34% improved, but never got back up to completely normal.

01:48:00.000 And then 13% were recovered.

01:48:04.000 Impaired.

01:48:04.000 I mean, the heart took a hit and they never recovered.

01:48:06.000 There's a gentleman who is, he holds, what is it, the world's longest static breath hold?

01:48:11.000 Is that what he holds?

01:48:13.000 He's done the 10 minute guy.

01:48:17.000 You know who I'm talking about?

01:48:18.000 We talked about him on the podcast before.

01:48:21.000 He got myocarditis from the vaccine and it severely limited his ability to do that.

01:48:28.000 He had extreme cardiovascular function, right?

01:48:31.000 Because this is a guy who can hold his breath for 10 minutes.

01:48:35.000 And he says that it's caused somewhere.

01:48:38.000 I mean, it's been, I believe he said it's been eight months plus since having myocarditis, and still he's somewhere around 30% reduction of his abilities.

01:48:50.000 Well, getting back to your question of, listen, 200 million people took the vaccine.

01:48:55.000 Why are so many people fine?

01:48:56.000 Right.

01:48:57.000 I think my answer to that, honestly, Joe, is that the body is a miraculous creation, and the body can fight off all kinds of things.

01:49:04.000 So you put some foreign messenger RNA in there.

01:49:07.000 And with synthetic analog caps, Tony Karagopoulos and I have published on this.

01:49:10.000 By the way, the messenger RNA probably stays in the body for a few months.

01:49:13.000 The spike protein, Patterson is showing us, lasts in the body at least 15 months.

01:49:18.000 There's a paper by Banzel and colleagues showing in the vaccinated that you have not only the S1 segment, but you have the S2 segments.

01:49:25.000 You actually get both segments in the vaccinated persisting in the body for a long time, almost certainly beyond six months.

01:49:32.000 That if someone took a shot one and shot two in January and February, and nothing has happened, I'm following my patients carefully.

01:49:38.000 70% of people in my practice took the vaccine.

01:49:41.000 Again, good doctors don't encourage, don't discourage.

01:49:43.000 It was purely elective because they're in vaccine research.

01:49:46.000 Fine.

01:49:47.000 No harm, no foul.

01:49:49.000 But if we start vaccinating every six months, I think the spike protein never gets out of the body.

01:49:55.000 It accumulates.

01:49:56.000 Progressive accumulation of the spike protein is very worrisome for these progressive organ injury syndromes.

01:50:01.000 So if we're doing it every six months, the spike protein will never really truly have a chance to get out of the body in these cases that you're talking about where it's still in the body for 15 months.

01:50:11.000 15 months is on the long side.

01:50:13.000 Let's be charitable and say it lasts in the body a year.

01:50:15.000 That's what the Banzel paper and Bruce Patterson in his paper and in his interview on my podcast.

01:50:21.000 America Out Loud Talk Radio McCullough Report.

01:50:24.000 What, based on this leading work, I'm telling you as a doctor, I think the spike protein is in the human body after vaccination at least a year.

01:50:34.000 And so if you have a year to clear it out, and you clear it out, and nothing's happened, no harm, no foul.

01:50:39.000 The vast majority of people in my practice did fine with the vaccines.

01:50:43.000 Now, I don't know if they ever came in contact with COVID or not.

01:50:46.000 They did fine.

01:50:47.000 It is my practice experience that when they do get COVID, that it's a milder form, it's easier to treat.

01:50:52.000 Do I still give monoclonal antibodies?

01:50:54.000 Sure.

01:50:54.000 Do they get ivermectin?

01:50:55.000 And prednisone and all the other drugs, anticoagulants?

01:50:55.000 Yes.

01:50:59.000 Sure.

01:51:00.000 Sadly, can vaccinated patients die of COVID 19?

01:51:03.000 Sure.

01:51:04.000 The CDC has told us the CDC in mid October had 41,000 full vaccine failure cases recorded by departments of public health.

01:51:13.000 This is just spontaneous reporting, it's not the universe of cases.

01:51:16.000 And about a quarter of those were deaths.

01:51:18.000 So the CDC has large numbers of people who have been fully vaccinated who died.

01:51:22.000 It can happen.

01:51:23.000 But it's our experience, and I shared with you the data.

01:51:26.000 The vaccines do do something.

01:51:27.000 They provide a modest protection against hospitalization and death.

01:51:31.000 What we're getting to, Joe, is based on the safety profile we've described and based on the efficacy, is it compelling enough to actually mandate it in people, or is it something that ought to be a free choice?

01:51:44.000 And if it is a free choice and you do develop myocarditis, so let's say you have an adverse event when you take the vaccine, what can be done?

01:51:53.000 To treat these people?

01:51:55.000 Treatment of myocarditis would be three to six months of no physical activity.

01:51:59.000 Six months, no physical activity at all.

01:52:01.000 Right.

01:52:02.000 No rigorous walks, nothing. 0.99

01:52:05.000 I mean, outside of daily activities, going to class, going home, this and that, but we don't want any running, weightlifting, soccer, shit. 0.98

01:52:12.000 Nothing like that. 0.98

01:52:14.000 Because the worry is we trigger cardiac death.

01:52:16.000 And then when the heart pumping function is reduced, and we see this by echocardiography or MRI, we use what's called evidence based beta blockers, carvedalol, busoprolol, long actin metopolololol.

01:52:27.000 And then we use what's called RAS inhibitors, that is ACE inhibitors, angiotensin receptor blockers, or a new drug called Entresto.

01:52:34.000 And that's what I use in myocarditis patients who have impaired pumping function because we're trying to prevent slippage and even worsened heart failure.

01:52:41.000 And then for the pleural pericardial symptoms, we use a drug called colchicine.

01:52:46.000 And colchicine is a drug we actually use in the treatment of COVID 19 acute illness.

01:52:51.000 Remember, the acute illness is similar to the vaccine illnesses, they have so many similar ones because it's the same spike protein.

01:52:57.000 We use colchicine in order to try to relieve some of the pericardial symptoms, and our randomized trials suggesting that would help try to extinguish the inflammation in the heart.

01:53:07.000 Is there anything that someone can take?

01:53:08.000 Let's say if your job mandates that you get vaccinated, is there anything that someone can take that could potentially mitigate the negative effects of the spike protein?

01:53:18.000 Boy, that's kind of getting into this idea of moral hazard and social contract.

01:53:24.000 So people ask me all the time, Doc, I'm going to lose my job.

01:53:29.000 My job.

01:53:30.000 I'm losing my job if I don't take the vaccine.

01:53:34.000 And I usually ask them, you know what I ask them?

01:53:36.000 What's a social contract?

01:53:38.000 If you take the vaccine, what do you get?

01:53:38.000 What do you get?

01:53:40.000 Are you getting 20 years of employment, 10, 5, a year?

01:53:44.000 Are you even getting a guaranteed employment?

01:53:46.000 Are you getting six months?

01:53:48.000 Yeah.

01:53:48.000 Are you getting three months?

01:53:49.000 They say, I don't know.

01:53:50.000 Nobody told me the social contract.

01:53:52.000 I say, why don't you figure out the social contract before you take a spin with this vaccine?

01:53:57.000 And people are trying to say, listen, can I have my cake and eat it too?

01:54:00.000 Can I take the vaccine and keep my job for some undeclared social contract and take some antidote?

01:54:08.000 Well, there are things that have been suggested on the website.

01:54:12.000 Dr. Tess Lowry from the United Kingdom, who's one of the leaders in early treatment of COVID 19, she's one of the ones who did the great analyses on ivermectin, has.

01:54:22.000 Started a program, and I think it's called World for Health, something along these lines.

01:54:29.000 You'll find it on the internet.

01:54:31.000 It's got a yellow and pink kind of montage color, and in there, there are some published approaches on the web, not peer reviewed, of course, there's no randomized trials, of things one could do to reduce the inflammation and the thrombogenicity and some of the organ injury syndromes.

01:54:49.000 I'm leery of that approach because that's basically creating this moral hazard, meaning that.

01:54:55.000 It's okay to take the vaccine, and you can just take this antidote to prevent complications.

01:55:00.000 And so, this moral hazard, by the way, came up in a radio interview I had with Hugh Hewitt.

01:55:06.000 And I have to tell you, I think it's one of the few difficult interviews I had.

01:55:09.000 And Hugh Hewitt came on, and when he invited me on, Joe, he said, You know, I'm bringing on Dr. McCullough.

01:55:14.000 And I want to say before he gets on, he let us know, he let me know he's an attorney.

01:55:19.000 And he said, I'm pro vaccine.

01:55:22.000 I think everybody should take the vaccine.

01:55:24.000 And I think this is how we end the pandemic.

01:55:26.000 But let me bring on this doctor.

01:55:27.000 And then he asked me a question.

01:55:28.000 He said, Dr. McCullough, he said, if somebody listens to you and they don't get COVID 19, they don't take the vaccine, and they get COVID 19 and they die, that's on you because they listened to you and they didn't take the vaccine.

01:55:48.000 I said, Hugh, I said, if they listen to you and they take the vaccine, they've been pressured into vaccine research.

01:55:55.000 And if they take the vaccine and they're one of the thousands of people who drop dead within a couple days of the vaccine, I said, that's on you.

01:56:03.000 I said, who's got the bigger moral hazard here?

01:56:05.000 The bottom line is you can dodge COVID forever.

01:56:08.000 There's people who have never gotten COVID.

01:56:10.000 They're dodging COVID fine.

01:56:12.000 In fact, you cannot take the vaccine and get treatment for COVID and survive it.

01:56:16.000 I did.

01:56:17.000 I got COVID before the vaccines.

01:56:18.000 For me, it's over with.

01:56:19.000 You got COVID after the vaccines.

01:56:21.000 You got treatment.

01:56:22.000 You got through it.

01:56:23.000 So did Aaron Rodgers.

01:56:24.000 So did so many of us.

01:56:26.000 The bottom line is there's no moral hazard for deferring on the vaccines because the vaccines are research and they're elective.

01:56:34.000 And the vaccines are only to protect the individual.

01:56:36.000 There's no data suggesting the vaccines protect others.

01:56:39.000 This is very, very important.

01:56:41.000 There are now studies.

01:56:43.000 There is a recent study in the journal Lancet that has actually asked the question do the vaccines actually protect others from getting COVID 19?

01:56:54.000 Because that is really what's going on.

01:56:56.000 There's people in my circles that have said, listen, take the vaccine, protect other people.

01:57:00.000 You don't do it for yourself, you do it for somebody else.

01:57:03.000 That was a later narrative, though, right?

01:57:06.000 I know, but so we need later research to apply to the later narrative.

01:57:10.000 Haven't you heard Follow the Science?

01:57:13.000 Haven't you even heard that someone claims that they are science?

01:57:16.000 Yes, I have.

01:57:18.000 Now, science is a process, and you're laughing.

01:57:20.000 You and I are pretty humble here, but let me tell you let's follow the science.

01:57:25.000 So, this paper is from Anika Singayagamam, and this is published from the ATACCC Study Investigator Group in The Lancet.

01:57:38.000 And this paper just landed in the Lancet.

01:57:40.000 Oh, I can't believe you got it.

01:57:42.000 That's terrific.

01:57:43.000 And you know what the storyline here is?

01:57:46.000 39% of this very careful case contact studies, and it's up on Joe, it's on my call it here on my slides.

01:57:56.000 39% of transmission occurred from fully vaccinated to fully vaccinated individuals.

01:58:04.000 I mean, it's a pretty large number.

01:58:06.000 Yeah.

01:58:06.000 So the point is, we now have abundant evidence.

01:58:09.000 We had the Barnstable County outbreak in Massachusetts that clearly showed, and the CDC told us, Barnstable County, they told us.

01:58:19.000 Congregate settings, people got COVID 19.

01:58:21.000 It was Delta.

01:58:22.000 Look at two thirds are fully vaccinated.

01:58:25.000 We had the naval cruise ship, 3,700 individuals fully vaccinated.

01:58:29.000 They passed Delta to each other.

01:58:32.000 Then we had these papers here.

01:58:34.000 We have one from Haver, CDC COVID Network.

01:58:36.000 We have Fillmore from the VA.

01:58:38.000 This is data shading into June.

01:58:40.000 This is before Delta really kicked up.

01:58:42.000 We had 23% of Americans in the hospital who were vaccinated, but they had COVID 19.

01:58:47.000 Remember in June, remember that talking point that was issued?

01:58:50.000 99% of people in the hospital were unvaccinated.

01:58:53.000 Yeah.

01:58:55.000 That's propaganda.

01:58:58.000 That's false information put out by those in position of authority.

01:59:01.000 There was one time, and I was on Laura Ingram, and they had a montage of everybody saying 99% unvaccinated.

01:59:07.000 Even the governor of Florida said that.

01:59:08.000 The president of the United States said that.

01:59:10.000 That was a false talking point that was issued, and everybody said it.

01:59:17.000 I think designed to encourage people to get vaccinated.

01:59:20.000 Well, there's certainly been a lot of encouragement to get vaccinated.

01:59:24.000 Something someone told me, I want to verify with you.

01:59:27.000 If you were a healthy person and you took monoclonal antibodies, would that offer you protection for a period of time from COVID?

01:59:36.000 Well, there's been a randomized trial of case contacts.

01:59:40.000 This is important.

01:59:41.000 So, a randomized trial, I believe, using the Regeneron product.

01:59:47.000 And so, what they did is they took seniors, like say several seniors living together, one of them gets COVID 19 and the others are exposed and they're high risk.

01:59:55.000 They took the exposed ones and they randomized them to getting subcutaneous injections.

02:00:00.000 Of the monoclonal antibody versus placebo.

02:00:02.000 And those who got the monoclonal antibodies in the setting of seniors close contact prevented the development of COVID 19.

02:00:09.000 Now, when you got yours, did you get it IV or did you get it?

02:00:12.000 IV.

02:00:12.000 Yeah.

02:00:13.000 Yeah.

02:00:14.000 But so what happens is doctors have taken those findings and said, listen, it's parenteral administration.

02:00:19.000 We're going to give a sub Q injection.

02:00:20.000 It's actually four injections that is needed to give it.

02:00:23.000 But I want the listeners to understand the monoclonal antibodies are safe, effective, proven.

02:00:30.000 They clearly reduce symptoms, they reduce hospitalization, death.

02:00:33.000 And they are a product of Operation Warp Speed.

02:00:35.000 So, not everything that happened with pandemic response was bad.

02:00:39.000 This was a great development.

02:00:41.000 Think about an antiviral monoclonal antibody.

02:00:44.000 What a wonderful advance.

02:00:45.000 We've never had it before.

02:00:46.000 So, there's an unlimited supply or a very large supply, more than adequate for the entire population for monoclonal antibodies.

02:00:54.000 So, what is stopping the distribution of them?

02:00:57.000 Because not only have they made it difficult to get, in Texas, they actually put.

02:01:03.000 These parameters on who gets it and who doesn't. 0.79

02:01:07.000 And you have to be in a high risk ethnicity to get it. 0.96

02:01:12.000 A friend of mine went, he had COVID, and he is a healthy Caucasian male in his 30s.

02:01:20.000 And they told him, You are not qualified to receive the monoclonal antibodies.

02:01:26.000 And the lady who was working there said, If you were another ethnicity, like if you were Hispanic or black, then we would qualify you.

02:01:36.000 And she was like, Look, this is not my idea.

02:01:39.000 This is, I just have to follow the rules.

02:01:42.000 Why would anybody establish rules like that?

02:01:44.000 Like, what is that?

02:01:45.000 And they're so arbitrary.

02:01:46.000 From center to center, the arbitrariness of the rules.

02:01:48.000 I've sent younger patients who have severe symptoms and in trouble for monoclonal antibodies, they've been turned down.

02:01:55.000 I've had other people go for monoclonal antibodies themselves and get them, find no difficulty.

02:02:00.000 Most of the time, I have to say, I've had a great experience.

02:02:02.000 People got the monoclonal antibodies, but I have to tell you an anecdote.

02:02:05.000 Somebody close in my religious circles developed COVID 19, and he developed some severe respiratory symptoms.

02:02:14.000 And I had gotten wind of vaccine discrimination, Joe.

02:02:18.000 I had gotten wind of this.

02:02:20.000 And this person was not vaccinated.

02:02:22.000 I said, We're going to go for a monoclonal antibody infusion.

02:02:24.000 It's late on a Saturday night.

02:02:26.000 He goes for the monoclonal antibody infusion.

02:02:28.000 And the doctor at the center in Dallas lords over him, arms folded, and says, Have you been vaccinated?

02:02:36.000 And this person looks up at him.

02:02:37.000 He says, I refuse to answer that question.

02:02:41.000 And the doctor looked at him.

02:02:42.000 He said, Okay.

02:02:43.000 He goes, And the person who came and said, Listen, I just want a monoclonal antibody infusion.

02:02:47.000 Go home.

02:02:48.000 He gets the monoclonal antibody infusion.

02:02:50.000 And on the way out the door, he goes, Hey, doc.

02:02:52.000 He goes, What if I would have answered that question and told you I was vaccinated?

02:02:57.000 He goes, Oh, I would have given you remdesivir.

02:03:01.000 If he was vaccinated.

02:03:02.000 So the example is that's an example of perverse vaccine discrimination.

02:03:02.000 Right.

02:03:07.000 So he would have been discriminated against getting a high quality therapy and getting a lower quality therapy.

02:03:13.000 So is that just a poor doctor or just a bad doctor?

02:03:13.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:03:16.000 No, it goes to show you the arbitrariness and the confusion that exists out there.

02:03:21.000 That monoclonal antibodies are safe and effective, they work in vaccinated or unvaccinated.

02:03:25.000 There was a previous thinking.

02:03:27.000 That if you are vaccinated, you should have already have antibodies to the virus.

02:03:31.000 So, therefore, we're going to use remdesivir against the polymerase inhibitor.

02:03:34.000 But it's just faulty thinking because vaccine breakthrough cases, the virus is basically blown past the vaccine antibodies.

02:03:41.000 And why not give it a shot?

02:03:43.000 Regenerons, two different antibodies.

02:03:44.000 GSK is an antibody against the glycoprotein.

02:03:47.000 Why not use a more intelligent therapy?

02:03:49.000 I can tell you, I've looked at all the data carefully.

02:03:51.000 Hands down, the monoclonal antibodies blow away remdesivir.

02:03:55.000 Another thing that bothers me is do you know that when patients get admitted to the hospital, No monoclonal antibodies.

02:04:01.000 Once they cross that line, and I had a sad case in Fort Worth that broke my heart.

02:04:05.000 38 year old man.

02:04:07.000 He was really sick.

02:04:08.000 His wife was really sick.

02:04:09.000 We scramble, we get medications.

02:04:10.000 His wife gets the monoclonal antibodies and goes home, Joe, with other drugs.

02:04:15.000 Okay.

02:04:15.000 And she survives.

02:04:16.000 They got five kids.

02:04:18.000 He's 38 years old.

02:04:19.000 He's obese.

02:04:20.000 He doesn't get the monoclonal antibodies.

02:04:22.000 They say, you know what?

02:04:23.000 We're going to admit you. 1.00

02:04:23.000 You're too sick. 1.00

02:04:25.000 He never gets the monoclonal antibodies, Joe, and he dies in the hospital.

02:04:29.000 But if they just gave them the monoclonal antibodies in the hospital, you would have survived.

02:04:33.000 Or give them in the ER.

02:04:34.000 This was a matter of clicking.

02:04:36.000 Why is it so arbitrary that once you go into the hospital, they won't give you the monoclonal antibodies?

02:04:40.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:04:41.000 The emergency use authorization gives some general guidelines in an FAQ.

02:04:46.000 The FAQ gives information like says, you know, use as an inpatient, an outpatient, but it's not a law.

02:04:52.000 I mean, if I can use Bactrim as an outpatient, I can use Bactrim as an inpatient.

02:04:56.000 If I want to use Regeneron as an outpatient, I can use it.

02:04:59.000 Doctors, Have authority over the FAQ.

02:05:02.000 People are reading this FAQ like it's some type of law, and as soon as they cross the line in the hospital, they can't get this life saving therapy.

02:05:09.000 So the doctor has the ability, once a person is hospitalized, to still administer monoclonal antibodies, and they choose not to because of this bizarre way this is written.

02:05:20.000 And the same reason why they choose not to use ivermectin in the hospital.

02:05:23.000 The same reason why they choose not to use.

02:05:25.000 But at least ivermectin is controversial.

02:05:27.000 And I'm not letting anybody off the hook, but at least it's controversial.

02:05:30.000 There's a lot of people that don't think it's actually effective.

02:05:33.000 No one thinks that monoclonal antibodies are not effective.

02:05:37.000 No one that I've heard of.

02:05:38.000 I'd agree with that.

02:05:39.000 I think there are just some unproven concerns.

02:05:42.000 One concern is when the oxygen saturation is lower, if we give a monoclonal antibody, we could create some perfusion changes in the lungs and further worsen hypoxemia.

02:05:52.000 That's never been shown.

02:05:54.000 There have been other thoughts that if someone gets admitted to the hospital, they're too late for monoclonal antibodies.

02:05:59.000 So remember, the principle with therapy is Joe, the later we start something, the less efficacy it is.

02:06:05.000 So if you want to show failure of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and monoclonal antibodies, apply it very late.

02:06:11.000 So, this idea that, well, they're outpatients, now I'm within the FAQ and they're likely to benefit fine.

02:06:16.000 My point is, come on, this is a fatal condition.

02:06:20.000 Just because we're on the edge of hospitalization, why don't we give it in the ER and declare them outpatients and then still admit them?

02:06:26.000 I would be okay with that.

02:06:28.000 I've had another case I advised on where, desperate case, a woman who was in a car accident weeks earlier, had rib fractures, impaired pulmonary function, got serious COVID.

02:06:40.000 We do everything we can as an outpatient, Joe, all the drugs, ivermectin.

02:06:44.000 We were using every vitamin, you name it, what you call the kitchen sink.

02:06:47.000 That's what we were doing, trying to save our life.

02:06:49.000 Woman in her 50s gets so hypoxemic and sick, her husband's sick.

02:06:52.000 We toss in the towel, call 911.

02:06:54.000 She goes to the hospital. 1.00

02:06:55.000 I said, Get monoclonal antibodies in the ER.

02:06:58.000 Oh, they're going to admit her.

02:06:59.000 They're not going to do it.

02:07:00.000 Fortunately, we got this is Tampa General Hospital.

02:07:02.000 The person listening to this will know who they are.

02:07:05.000 And they got to the other side of the admission, and I was relentless.

02:07:09.000 And I said, Get in a monoclonal antibody trial.

02:07:11.000 Thank the Lord they got into the AstraZeneca monoclonal antibody trial.

02:07:15.000 We don't know if they got placebo or monoclonals.

02:07:17.000 But she survived.

02:07:18.000 No intubation.

02:07:20.000 And it was like, wow, it was that close.

02:07:22.000 This is a little window of my life for the last two years.

02:07:25.000 Do you know there are 500 doctors trying to treat the entire country like this?

02:07:29.000 My phone, once I turn my phone on from this interview, Joe, I am going to be loaded with cases that I'll hear advice on and try to help on all the way home.

02:07:36.000 Why is it so few doctors?

02:07:39.000 There is a grip of fear over the doctors originally.

02:07:42.000 I think they were personally fearful of taking care of patients and they wanted someone to tell them what to do.

02:07:48.000 Remember, doctors are not like, Navy SEALs.

02:07:52.000 Doctors are not like police officers or firemen or world wrestling champions.

02:07:58.000 Doctors are kind of nerds.

02:07:59.000 There's no checkbox that says, I'm courageous.

02:08:01.000 I'm willing to take some risks.

02:08:04.000 They don't check those boxes.

02:08:06.000 And I think there was a small number of doctors, I guess I'm one of them, that I said, you know what, I'm going to take some risks.

02:08:11.000 I can do this.

02:08:13.000 I can put drugs together.

02:08:14.000 Pierre Corey, you talk to him.

02:08:15.000 Pierre Corey is another guy.

02:08:16.000 He didn't hesitate.

02:08:18.000 I didn't hesitate.

02:08:19.000 Jose Verone down in Houston, he runs a whole hospital.

02:08:21.000 He doesn't hesitate.

02:08:22.000 There are 500 doctors out there that now are basically held out as heroes.

02:08:26.000 You read Bobby Kennedy's book, We Look Like We're American Heroes.

02:08:29.000 It's only because we're treating patients as we should.

02:08:34.000 It's just hard to imagine being a person denying treatment to someone that you know would be effective because you're looking at some arbitrary rules that are written down that once they're admitted to the hospital, you can't give them monoclonal antibodies.

02:08:48.000 And then to cast this judgment on them, why weren't you vaccinated?

02:08:51.000 We're not going to treat you.

02:08:52.000 I mean, but this is what's happening to a lot of patients.

02:08:55.000 I had a conversation one time with a doctor, and he goes, It was some conversation about treating patients early.

02:09:01.000 He goes, Well, you know, there's not enough evidence.

02:09:03.000 There's not enough evidence.

02:09:04.000 I need to wait.

02:09:04.000 We need to wait for large randomized trials.

02:09:06.000 Do you know in the U.S. Senate testimony, the minority witness multiple times told us, He goes, Nope, these doctors are treating with these drugs.

02:09:17.000 There's not enough evidence.

02:09:19.000 And then I think Ron John asked him, He goes, Well, what do you think the best treatment is?

02:09:22.000 Well, they should follow the guidelines, and the guidelines say stay at home and wait until you're.

02:09:28.000 Really can't breathe anymore.

02:09:30.000 And then you come to the hospital, then you start treatment.

02:09:32.000 And then I made a comment.

02:09:34.000 I said, I want that to be written into the records of Senate testimony that that is a reckless recommendation for America.

02:09:43.000 That it is reckless to recommend nothing in the setting of a fatal illness.

02:09:47.000 Every serious fatal infection must be treated early.

02:09:50.000 It's only going to get worse.

02:09:52.000 We actually have, for other infections, time to the initial therapy as a benchmark of quality of care.

02:09:58.000 Why would we let this virus rip the body for 14 days or longer?

02:10:01.000 Can you imagine you had it?

02:10:03.000 Can you imagine if you were 75 years old?

02:10:05.000 You had heart and lung disease, and you were sitting in your apartment.

02:10:08.000 Your parents, your kids couldn't come over and look after you.

02:10:11.000 Nobody could look after you.

02:10:12.000 And every day you're stewing, getting worse and worse and worse and worse.

02:10:16.000 Till finally, and you're in isolation, finally, at two weeks, you can't breathe anymore.

02:10:21.000 And you toss in the towel, you call 911, you call your daughter, you call your son, you contaminate the virus everywhere.

02:10:28.000 And then you get put in the hospital, you get slammed into isolation, you get put on remdesivir, you get six milligrams of decadron.

02:10:34.000 And then to make things absolutely the worst, You never see your loved ones again and you die.

02:10:39.000 That's what's happened to 800,000 Americans.

02:10:42.000 And so, this is why you believe that at least 50% of those people could have been prevented.

02:10:48.000 That was in November of 2020 under sworn testimony.

02:10:51.000 That number is easily 85% now.

02:10:54.000 Maybe it's 90% now if we got what you got.

02:10:57.000 If you got the sequence multidrug treatment, monoclonal antibodies, you called it the kitchen sink.

02:11:01.000 So do I. Bottom line is, it may be refined over time.

02:11:04.000 The Merck and Pfizer drug will bring them in.

02:11:07.000 If other drugs come along, we'll refine it.

02:11:09.000 Listen, it's a process.

02:11:11.000 I'm not saying any one of these drugs is a miracle drug.

02:11:13.000 None of them are necessary nor sufficient to save a life.

02:11:16.000 But the point is, what drives hospitalization is uncontrollable symptoms.

02:11:21.000 It's uncontrollable anxiety.

02:11:23.000 Do you know an anxiety drug itself actually cuts off the risk of hospitalization?

02:11:27.000 And that drug is fluvoxamine.

02:11:30.000 I was going to ask you.

02:11:31.000 Yeah, fluvoxamine takes an edge off the dyspnea.

02:11:33.000 It may have some.

02:11:33.000 Is that an SSRI?

02:11:34.000 It's an SNRI.

02:11:36.000 And it's an older one.

02:11:37.000 But it takes an edge off.

02:11:38.000 It may have some other.

02:11:39.000 Unique effects.

02:11:40.000 I mean, I give credit to those who have advanced it.

02:11:43.000 Credit to Steve Kirsch, who's funded the COVID 19 early treatment program, and he's now funding the vaccine injury program.

02:11:51.000 You know, Steve Kirsch, by the way, has a great offer out there for your listeners.

02:11:54.000 I don't know if you know about this.

02:11:55.000 No.

02:11:56.000 His offer is anybody from any major academic medical center or any government agency who will come to the table and have a fair discussion on vaccine safety and efficacy, he'll pay him $2 million.

02:12:10.000 Anybody?

02:12:12.000 Anybody.

02:12:13.000 You mean anybody who's like a high level medical researcher or.

02:12:20.000 Anybody who can make the case, even try to make the case, that the vaccines are safe and effective.

02:12:27.000 And if they don't make the case, they still get the money?

02:12:30.000 Yeah.

02:12:30.000 Really?

02:12:31.000 That seems like an easy $2 million.

02:12:32.000 No one's come forward. 1.00

02:12:33.000 You just go there and get your ass kicked for $2 million. 1.00

02:12:36.000 Joe, no one's come forward. 1.00

02:12:38.000 Really?

02:12:38.000 No one's come forward.

02:12:39.000 Do they know about it?

02:12:40.000 Is this how.

02:12:41.000 When I just found out about it a few seconds ago.

02:12:43.000 No, people know about it.

02:12:44.000 He's made a lot of calls and emails.

02:12:47.000 And the point is, people are under a trance with these vaccines.

02:12:53.000 They actually know they're not safe and effective.

02:12:55.000 They know it.

02:12:56.000 They know when they took the vaccines, they took a risk.

02:12:58.000 Now that the safety of the vaccine centers cleared out in mid April, I drive past one every day to work.

02:13:04.000 And there used to be police officers.

02:13:06.000 They were waving people in.

02:13:07.000 There were cones.

02:13:08.000 I was slowed down to try to get to the hospital because of vaccine traffic.

02:13:12.000 And then it started to thin out and thin out and thin out.

02:13:15.000 We got to mid April, there was nobody there.

02:13:17.000 You got to May and June, there's mothballs, the dust on the cones.

02:13:20.000 They put barriers up.

02:13:22.000 The vaccine centers have been closed for months.

02:13:26.000 When the word got out that people were dying after the vaccine, people stopped taking it.

02:13:31.000 And there was an internet survey, unofficial on Twitter, I think, but it asked the question Do you know somebody who's died after the vaccine or somebody in your circles?

02:13:40.000 Answer 12%.

02:13:42.000 And I'm telling you, 12%, and people talk.

02:13:45.000 You can suppress it all you want to.

02:13:47.000 You know, there's the Trusted News Initiative.

02:13:49.000 You can bring that up.

02:13:50.000 Why don't you bring the Trusted News Initiative?

02:13:52.000 The Trusted News Initiative was rolled out with the vaccines on December 10th.

02:13:57.000 It was rolled out.

02:13:58.000 The Trusted News Initiative, announced by the British Broadcasting Company with all the other media, here it is.

02:14:03.000 It is.

02:14:05.000 All the partners, that was all the major media and social media, Joe, will work together to ensure legitimate concerns about vaccinations are heard whilst harmful disinformation myths are stopped in their tracks.

02:14:18.000 Translation suppression on anything that would promote vaccine hesitancy.

02:14:24.000 And what would promote vaccine hesitancy?

02:14:26.000 Early treatment, the hope of early treatment, staying out of the hospital.

02:14:30.000 If people knew they had an option, they could defer on the vaccine, and if they got COVID, get treatment.

02:14:35.000 That would lead to vaccine hesitancy.

02:14:37.000 How about vaccine safety?

02:14:38.000 How about giving a press briefing on deaths after the vaccine?

02:14:42.000 Are they happening with Moderna, Pfizer, JJ?

02:14:45.000 Do we know?

02:14:47.000 What's the profile of someone who dies after the vaccine?

02:14:50.000 We have 19,000 cases.

02:14:51.000 They could tell us.

02:14:52.000 Joe, the point I'm making is if they won't be clean on vaccine safety data, we can never get to risk mitigation.

02:15:00.000 We can't get a safer program unless they are transparent on vaccine safety.

02:15:05.000 Well, this is where the authoritarian aspect of this gets very.

02:15:08.000 Complicated, right?

02:15:10.000 Because they've assumed the government has assumed the role of the parent.

02:15:15.000 Just listen to us.

02:15:16.000 We're going to tell you what to do.

02:15:18.000 And some much worse than others.

02:15:20.000 The woman in New Zealand's horrific.

02:15:22.000 There's been a bunch of them that are horrific, where you hear them talk and they're so incredibly condescending and they feel like they have this ultimate power to just force people into this binary solution.

02:15:35.000 And the ability also to suppress information, which may.

02:15:40.000 In fact, be accurate that the vaccines do carry a risk.

02:15:44.000 What you said today, none of this is wild conspiracy theory.

02:15:49.000 You're obviously incredibly well educated and you're more than qualified to distribute this information.

02:15:57.000 But if this was on YouTube, this would get taken down.

02:16:01.000 We're very fortunate that Spotify doesn't operate like that and that this can be received by millions of people all over the world.

02:16:10.000 But there's not a lot of avenues for this now, there's very few, in fact.

02:16:15.000 They're randomly, I mean, not randomly, just they're purposely targeting experts and doctors that have opinions that differ from the approved narrative.

02:16:28.000 You are one of those experts.

02:16:30.000 Well, maybe because I looked in the camera and gave a wink in one of the interviews, I think it was Tucker Carlson, where I said, bring it on.

02:16:39.000 And this is what I mean about this this is a giant game of chicken.

02:16:44.000 And the bottom line is the people who win are the people with the truth.

02:16:50.000 The truth in the end is kryptonite to everything out there.

02:16:54.000 But it's taking tolls on a lot of doctors.

02:16:56.000 The truth is powerful.

02:16:58.000 Can you bring up the graphic of a big public program?

02:17:02.000 It's a picture of a crowd, and I'm up in front.

02:17:05.000 There are 500 doctors in my circles.

02:17:07.000 Many of us are members of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, or the Frontline Critical Care Consortium, or American Frontline Doctors, or the Truth for Health Foundation.

02:17:15.000 Look at this.

02:17:16.000 This is an American reawakening.

02:17:20.000 We are now going into cities and we'll have meetings typically with lawmakers, several dozen lawmakers, and we'll go over the issues we've covered today, Joe.

02:17:29.000 We go into doctors' programs.

02:17:31.000 We'll have a smaller program for doctors.

02:17:33.000 And then we go into big public programs.

02:17:35.000 We are getting 500 to 5,000 people coming into venues and basically going over the slides like I went today.

02:17:42.000 This is like a medical grand rounds for the public.

02:17:45.000 And what I tell people, I said, Where are the medical schools doing this?

02:17:49.000 How come the medical schools aren't having public symposiums?

02:17:51.000 We've had two years of COVID 19.

02:17:54.000 Why is there no review of the data?

02:17:57.000 Why are we not understanding vaccine safety and efficacy?

02:18:00.000 And I said, Listen, this is all about just understanding it.

02:18:02.000 With the vaccines, for instance, You know, about 70, 80% of Americans took the vaccine.

02:18:07.000 I give the data.

02:18:08.000 Do you know the most effective vaccine in terms of vaccine efficacy?

02:18:11.000 You probably have concluded already.

02:18:13.000 It's Moderna.

02:18:14.000 Moderna, because it's 100 micrograms of messenger RNA, Pfizer's only 30 micrograms of messenger RNA.

02:18:20.000 It's more than three times a dose.

02:18:21.000 Of course, it's a stronger vaccine, it's going to have more protection.

02:18:25.000 The point is, the public, in the end, it's the court of public opinion.

02:18:31.000 And the public wants to know.

02:18:32.000 And, you know, on January 23rd in Washington, There is actually a march to defeat the mandates.

02:18:39.000 There is a march out there, an American homecoming.

02:18:42.000 Do you know it's my testimony and the testimony given by Jay Bhattacharya that Judge Doughty in the sixth federal court in Louisiana used to overturn the rest of the Biden CMS mandates?

02:18:55.000 And then within a few days, a whole wave of states triggered against the mandates.

02:19:01.000 Why?

02:19:02.000 Because we have the truth.

02:19:04.000 And you're talking to one of the two doctors.

02:19:06.000 Who made it happen for the country?

02:19:08.000 Have you personally experienced any repercussions?

02:19:12.000 It's the most interesting thing.

02:19:14.000 I've experienced sniping.

02:19:17.000 When I mean sniping, that means someone's shooting at you, but you can't see who they are.

02:19:21.000 I've never had anybody have the guts to sit across the table from me and have a conversation.

02:19:28.000 If I could bring someone who is a proponent of the vaccines, would you be willing to have a conversation with them?

02:19:36.000 Bring them on, and we'll have Steve Kershaw split the $2 million because I could use it for my legal fees.

02:19:41.000 I can tell you right now, Steve Kirsch has been begging somebody to come and just have a discussion on vaccine efficacy.

02:19:46.000 Let's go over VARES.

02:19:48.000 Let's go over the efficacy data.

02:19:51.000 Is this enough of a hospitalization and death benefit to consider taking it?

02:19:57.000 So, there's been some false narratives that have gone on that, in a sense, are working to make this forever.

02:20:04.000 Joe, if you and I want to have COVID the rest of our lives, we would maintain these false narratives.

02:20:09.000 And this is what they are the asymptomatic spread. 0.92

02:20:12.000 You and I could give it to each other.

02:20:15.000 Another false narrative.

02:20:16.000 We can get it over and over again.

02:20:17.000 That means you and I sitting here with no masks, we have no symptoms, we can give it to each other over and over again.

02:20:22.000 Can you imagine these false narratives?

02:20:24.000 And how about this?

02:20:25.000 Take a vaccine and then take another vaccine every six months.

02:20:28.000 Well, you can get it again.

02:20:28.000 I got COVID.

02:20:29.000 Take another vaccine.

02:20:30.000 Well, it doesn't stop COVID.

02:20:31.000 We'll take another vaccine.

02:20:33.000 This is forever.

02:20:34.000 So the false narratives that we have to absolutely, if we want to get past the pandemic, that have to go is asymptomatic spread and asymptomatic testing.

02:20:41.000 Get it out of here.

02:20:43.000 Another one is natural immunity, robust, complete, and durable.

02:20:46.000 Never wear a mask.

02:20:47.000 Never take a vaccine, never take another test.

02:20:50.000 You're done.

02:20:51.000 It's one and done.

02:20:52.000 I advised the Sri Lankan government.

02:20:53.000 They reached out to me and said, Listen, we're in trouble.

02:20:55.000 We're getting buried with COVID.

02:20:56.000 This was several months ago.

02:20:58.000 They said, We're running out of masks.

02:20:59.000 What do we do?

02:20:59.000 I said, Get your COVID recovery people out there and man the tents and start handing out the ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine based protocols.

02:21:07.000 And that's what they did.

02:21:08.000 And they handled the pandemic.

02:21:09.000 I've personally had the alpha variant.

02:21:11.000 I was in research.

02:21:12.000 I was tested.

02:21:13.000 I've come face to face with Delta.

02:21:15.000 Somebody red hot in my face.

02:21:16.000 There are kids all over me.

02:21:17.000 We actually made videos of it.

02:21:18.000 They're going to be in two different places.

02:21:19.000 I came back eight days later.

02:21:21.000 You can't get it.

02:21:22.000 You cannot get it.

02:21:23.000 Do you know today that if someone's in a nursing home, there's somebody in my family in a nursing home, they've had COVID 19.

02:21:31.000 Do you know every time somebody in the nursing home gets COVID 19, everybody gets put in a lockdown?

02:21:37.000 That poor guy has been in solitary confinement six months out of the last year.

02:21:40.000 He's already had COVID 19, he's already paid the price.

02:21:43.000 He should have free reign of the nursing home.

02:21:45.000 He should never have to wear a mask.

02:21:47.000 Do you know when someone's COVID recovered and they can't go into the hospital and see their loved one dying of COVID in the ICU?

02:21:55.000 They can't get COVID a second time.

02:21:56.000 See, if we don't recognize natural immunity, this is really important.

02:22:00.000 Do you know that Diana Harshberger from a Republican House of Representatives, Congresswoman, is basically proposing national legislation for recognizing natural immunity?

02:22:14.000 It's very important.

02:22:15.000 Natural immunity is far and away the most important thing we can ever do.

02:22:20.000 How do we establish it, though?

02:22:21.000 How do you establish that someone recovered from COVID and has natural immunity?

02:22:24.000 Pick the definitions.

02:22:25.000 Listen, That, what the FDA used for the registrational trials was fine.

02:22:29.000 If someone said they had COVID and they had supportive testing, that counts.

02:22:32.000 That would be you.

02:22:33.000 If someone never got the supportive test but they thought they had it and they hit an antibody, if you hit Roche, LabCorp, Quest, Abbott, orthoclinical diagnostics, you hit one of those, you're immune.

02:22:44.000 Because those positive controls, Joe, are set people sick enough in the ICU.

02:22:48.000 What about I have a friend, she tested positive.

02:22:51.000 I was telling you about her in the PCR three times, but she was completely asymptomatic.

02:22:55.000 But then when she was tested for antibodies, no antibodies.

02:22:58.000 This is.

02:22:59.000 She ran through three different PCR tests just to make sure asymptomatic, tested positive.

02:23:06.000 And then now, when we test her for antibodies, we've tested her here.

02:23:11.000 She does not show antibodies.

02:23:12.000 15% of people who have symptomatic COVID, and she didn't have that, but 15% of symptomatic COVID, they don't hit the antibodies because the positive controls are set on sick inpatients.

02:23:23.000 Most people at home are not that sick.

02:23:25.000 So a lot of people don't hit antibodies on the commercial tests.

02:23:29.000 15% don't.

02:23:30.000 And if you don't, get the T Detect test.

02:23:32.000 So, the T Detect test, go to t-detect.com, sign up, put all your information in.

02:23:38.000 Once the lab director approves it, you go to Lab Corp, get your blood drawn, and that looks for next-generation sequencing in the chromosomes of T cells to see if you've actually had COVID-19.

02:23:48.000 And so that would be T cell and B cell immunity that you would maintain, even though you don't show the antibodies in this.

02:23:54.000 Yeah, well, listen, the antibodies drop off in everybody.

02:23:56.000 You know, there's a paper by Israel.

02:23:58.000 Not in Jamie.

02:23:59.000 That dude's rock solid.

02:23:59.000 Yeah, but.

02:24:00.000 I'm telling you, you should see his antibodies.

02:24:02.000 He got COVID in October of last year, and he still got, well, we're pretty sure he got, he encountered it fairly recently, and his body fought it off because his antibodies went way up.

02:24:02.000 Well, I'll tell you, that's.

02:24:16.000 Well, superhuman over there.

02:24:18.000 The papers in general suggest 15% of people don't hit the antibodies.

02:24:22.000 I had COVID in October of 2020.

02:24:25.000 It was by PCR and antigen.

02:24:27.000 I was in research.

02:24:29.000 It was rock stable.

02:24:30.000 I had COVID at all the characteristic signs and symptoms.

02:24:32.000 My wife had it.

02:24:33.000 In the research protocol, we had to follow up with Quest and get our antibodies done. 0.97

02:24:38.000 My wife hits the antibodies fine. 0.93

02:24:40.000 I can't hit the antibodies.

02:24:41.000 I go two more times, I can't hit the antibodies.

02:24:44.000 I go, what the heck?

02:24:45.000 15% of people, just literally, if your treatment is so intense at first, you actually don't get enough spike protein exposure to get such a high antibody titer.

02:24:45.000 And I looked into it.

02:24:54.000 And in fact, the natural infection, the antibody titer is much softer than with the vaccines because with the vaccines, you get antibodies against one protein, the spike protein.

02:25:03.000 With the natural infection, you get antibodies against 27 different proteins.

02:25:07.000 Sorry.

02:25:07.000 Do you think that there can be an argument made that this milder form of the virus, this Omicron, which is apparently much milder, as of today, we're December 8th?

02:25:21.000 Is that today?

02:25:22.000 There is, as far as what I read yesterday, I should say, December 7th, there was zero deaths attributed to this.

02:25:29.000 So, if this is a milder form and it seems to just give headaches and body aches, would there be an argument that one should actually catch that and that would be safer than even getting vaccinated?

02:25:41.000 It's a little early to say that, but I wanted to give you an update.

02:25:46.000 I don't want to recommend that to people.

02:25:47.000 I'm just saying, is that a possibility?

02:25:49.000 There's a group in Boston that is absolutely knocking it out of the park.

02:25:54.000 It's a company called Inference.

02:25:56.000 And the lead author is Venkata Krishnan.

02:25:59.000 And the paper just came out in preprint.

02:26:01.000 Oh, by the way, people need to know who's listening.

02:26:04.000 Our peer reviewed literature runs anywhere from six months to four years behind reality.

02:26:11.000 So we actually publish something in the New England Journal of Medicine, or we publish something in these journals, in my journal.

02:26:17.000 I told you I submitted something in June, the treatment paper, which is so important.

02:26:23.000 It was printed online in August.

02:26:25.000 It didn't appear in print until January.

02:26:27.000 That's a typical publication cycle.

02:26:29.000 In COVID 19, we all agree that's too slow.

02:26:32.000 So, COVID 19, what's fair game is called preprint, meaning that we get our data out early before it's gone through peer review, just so people can make decisions.

02:26:40.000 And so, Venkata Christian, two days ago, just put this out on Omicron.

02:26:44.000 Omicron is not a transformer.

02:26:46.000 It's very important.

02:26:48.000 Your kids think it's a transformer.

02:26:49.000 You thought it was a transformer?

02:26:50.000 That's what I did.

02:26:51.000 Paul Alexander on his post in Brownstone, actually on the McCullough Report, that's what I did.

02:26:55.000 I had to put Optimus Prime on there.

02:26:57.000 It's not a transformer, Joe.

02:26:58.000 It's actually the name, it's a name in the Greek alphabet.

02:27:02.000 But it's interesting.

02:27:03.000 Venkata Christian tells us there are 37 mutations in the spike protein.

02:27:08.000 This blows off the socks of anything else.

02:27:11.000 There are six deletions, one insertion.

02:27:14.000 And the assertion, by the way, has some code that is almost for an epitope of another virus.

02:27:23.000 There are 30 substitutions that are non unique.

02:27:26.000 You can find them in alpha, beta, gamma, and the other ones.

02:27:30.000 And 16 of the 37 are called surge mutations.

02:27:33.000 So something happened.

02:27:35.000 In the surges, when there was a lot of prevalence of disease and the virus was replicating, being passed to people in these surge times, where the virus made a lot of mistakes.

02:27:44.000 So I was called on TV last week for Fox News.

02:27:48.000 Laura Ingram said, Dr. McCullough, what's the update on Omicron?

02:27:51.000 I said, I think it looks like an evolutionary mistake.

02:27:54.000 The initial, you can actually do modeling studies based on once we know the code, and the code is known really quickly.

02:28:01.000 Dr. Fantini out of France did modeling studies, let it on our networks, we found out quickly.

02:28:07.000 The transmissibility, to give you a perspective, for the Wuhan wild type, the original virus, the transmissibility number, transmissibility index, was about two.

02:28:22.000 The transmissibility of Delta, which has really been hard to treat, I think Delta has been way harder.

02:28:28.000 You may have had Delta.

02:28:29.000 I had Alpha.

02:28:30.000 You may have had Delta.

02:28:31.000 You could have still had Alpha.

02:28:33.000 But transmissibility of Delta, 10.

02:28:35.000 You know what the transmissibility of Omicron is?

02:28:38.000 Four.

02:28:39.000 So for the first time, we've actually gone down in transmissibility, and probably because the spike protein and the receptor binding domain where it binds to the ACE2 receptor is so dysmorphic that it actually can't invade the body as much.

02:28:53.000 So that explains, you know, we haven't heard about these fulminant pulmonary syndromes.

02:28:58.000 We haven't heard about these thrombombocytes.

02:28:59.000 It's mild so far.

02:29:01.000 Now, cross our fingers.

02:29:02.000 People always ask me, is this a milder variant?

02:29:05.000 I remember with Delta, oh, is it milder?

02:29:07.000 I said, wait a minute.

02:29:08.000 What determines mild versus severe?

02:29:09.000 Who gets early treatment?

02:29:12.000 Mild or severe is not a natural history variable.

02:29:14.000 Early treatment is so transformational, that's what determines death or hospitalization.

02:29:19.000 But what if Omicron chose to be mild across the board, even without early treatment?

02:29:25.000 Right.

02:29:25.000 That's the key.

02:29:26.000 So far, we can just assume no early treatment.

02:29:29.000 And so far, we're watching the reports carefully, but you're right.

02:29:33.000 It looks like it's milder.

02:29:35.000 And, you know, this could be, I don't think it's going to supplant Delta because Delta is more transmissible and is very successful in the vaccinated.

02:29:45.000 Now, Omicron has actually arisen from the vaccinated.

02:29:48.000 You know, the kids that were passing the Botswana border were fully vaccinated, they were asymptomatic.

02:29:53.000 But they had, when you do, Omicron's interesting.

02:29:56.000 When you run a PCR test, there's four primers there's an S protein, there's the nucleocapsid protein, the envelope protein, and the polymerase.

02:30:05.000 There's four.

02:30:06.000 The spike protein is so mutated with Omicron that that actually primer drops out of the PCR pattern.

02:30:12.000 It's called S gene dropout.

02:30:14.000 So this is the first time, based on, you know, depends on what PCR is done, that actually the PCR itself could give a hint that it's delta.

02:30:21.000 Otherwise, PCRs just tell you, You know, SARS CoV 2 positive or negative, and then we have to wait for the public health labs to do the sequencing to tell us what variant it is.

02:30:30.000 This case, the PCR test could give us a signature.

02:30:33.000 So we'll know.

02:30:33.000 With Omicron, we'll know.

02:30:35.000 What I've predicted last week on national TV, and again, science is changing.

02:30:39.000 A person is not science.

02:30:40.000 I'm not science.

02:30:41.000 I'm just a doctor interpreting data, and it's subject to being better informed with more data.

02:30:47.000 But I'm predicting right now, I think it's going to be like EDA and Lambda because it's less transmissible than Delta.

02:30:54.000 I think it'll carve out its own ecological niche.

02:30:57.000 But there would be no reason for it to supplant Delta unless it basically becomes almost like an infection of preference for the vaccinated.

02:31:05.000 Wow.

02:31:07.000 One thing that we've been talking about recently that concerns me, and I wanted to know what your thoughts on this were, seeing as you've spent your life in the medical establishment.

02:31:20.000 My concern is that corporations' goal is to continually make more money.

02:31:27.000 Every year, they'd like to make more money than the last.

02:31:30.000 This year, for the pharmaceutical companies, it's been an insanely profitable year because of the vaccines.

02:31:38.000 I have a real concern, and I wonder if you share this concern, that they're going to try to continue to make the same amount of money.

02:31:45.000 And the best way to do that is to continue to encourage people to be vaccinated and to create new vaccines, even if they're not necessarily the right thing to do.

02:31:57.000 If it's about making money, I'd almost prefer the vaccines get full after.

02:32:00.000 FDA approval.

02:32:01.000 You know, none of the vaccines are FDA approved.

02:32:03.000 Even Pfizer is not FDA approved.

02:32:04.000 That was a false talking point.

02:32:06.000 Pfizer has a continuation of the EUA.

02:32:09.000 BioNTech, which is not in the United States, got a biological licensing agreement.

02:32:13.000 That still means they have to do a lot to get approved.

02:32:15.000 They have to actually have an approved package insert.

02:32:18.000 They have to commit to post marketing studies on myocarditis.

02:32:20.000 They have to give safety warnings on pregnancy.

02:32:23.000 They're not there yet.

02:32:24.000 So, no product is approved in the United States.

02:32:26.000 They're all emergency use authorized.

02:32:28.000 Everybody needs to know that.

02:32:29.000 Another false talking point.

02:32:31.000 That Pfizer was approved on August 23rd, went all the way up to the President of the United States.

02:32:35.000 Since when in history do we have false talking points issued out of FDA meetings that go up to the President of the United States?

02:32:43.000 So they're not approved.

02:32:46.000 Listen, everybody's entitled to make some money.

02:32:48.000 What seems unfair about this?

02:32:49.000 What seems unfair about this is the government paid for the development costs, the government pre purchased the products, even before they knew it was going to work or not work.

02:33:02.000 A new pharmaceutical company, a new product that was developed by a pharmaceutical company, whether it's a new company or existing company, we know a benchmark for a blockbuster drug would be a billion dollars of sales in its first year.

02:33:14.000 That's a benchmark.

02:33:16.000 And typically, half of that billion is spent on the sales force.

02:33:19.000 There's an investment of billions of dollars in RD.

02:33:23.000 Do you know with the vaccines that Pfizer in its first year hit $33 billion?

02:33:30.000 And now I think next year, $36 billion.

02:33:32.000 No development costs.

02:33:34.000 The government, no sales force because they don't have to sell the vaccine.

02:33:38.000 They are just the suppliers to the government program.

02:33:42.000 Is that a dangerous relationship?

02:33:48.000 What's dangerous?

02:33:49.000 Is not fair balance.

02:33:51.000 If we had FDA approved products, you see them on TV.

02:33:54.000 When's the last time you saw a drug commercial?

02:33:56.000 Let's say you have a drug that's for psoriasis.

02:33:59.000 Oh, my psoriasis is cleared up.

02:34:00.000 Remember the people diving in a pool and they don't have any psoriasis?

02:34:03.000 They have beautiful skin, they're happy, and they're dancing.

02:34:06.000 Okay, you take a psoriasis drug, Joe.

02:34:08.000 It says warning, may cause tuberculosis.

02:34:11.000 Get a TB test, warning.

02:34:12.000 There's fair balance.

02:34:13.000 That's the U.S. Drug and Cosmetic Act.

02:34:16.000 That's the Landman Act.

02:34:18.000 We actually have the Truth and Advertising Act.

02:34:20.000 There must be fair balance.

02:34:21.000 Every product.

02:34:22.000 Has a risk and a benefit.

02:34:25.000 Every product has a risk and benefit.

02:34:27.000 We can never propose a product to anybody in the United States without fair balance.

02:34:34.000 You mentioned myocarditis, and I have to tell you since you had him on the show, and since we're both graduates of the University of Michigan, which, by the way, is, you know, I think it's one of the better places in the United States.

02:34:46.000 He went to medical school there.

02:34:48.000 I went to graduate school there.

02:34:49.000 I went to UT Southwestern.

02:34:51.000 I finished top of my class.

02:34:52.000 I'm Alpha Omega Alpha.

02:34:55.000 The doctors who are in the NOAA hot tree COVID 19 were no chump change.

02:34:58.000 I went to the University of Washington in Seattle, top medicine residency program in the United States.

02:35:02.000 I'm the most published person in my field in world history.

02:35:05.000 I have 51 publications in COVID 19.

02:35:07.000 I have U.S. Senate testimony.

02:35:09.000 A judge just relied on my testimony and overturned the entire mandates for the whole country.

02:35:14.000 I'm telling you, when I had an interview with Tucker Carlson, he started getting worked up.

02:35:17.000 He looked at the monitor.

02:35:18.000 He goes, If you don't know who this doctor is, why don't you look at him?

02:35:21.000 He goes, He has authority.

02:35:22.000 And he's right.

02:35:23.000 I do have authority, Joe.

02:35:24.000 And the reason why I'm telling you this is because what's going on.

02:35:29.000 Here is that we have a situation where we have people in positions of authority.

02:35:34.000 The person you had on here in a position of authority was Sanjay Gupta.

02:35:38.000 And I'm going to pick on him a little bit because Sanjay Gupta came on Sesame Street.

02:35:44.000 And I want to show the graphic if I don't have it.

02:35:47.000 He came on Sesame Street.

02:35:49.000 And what he did is with another CNN correspondent, he was actually seducing children into taking the vaccine.

02:35:57.000 Yeah, I saw that.

02:35:58.000 It's very disturbing. 0.91

02:35:59.000 Okay, seducing children.

02:36:01.000 I am telling you, no good doctor would do that because there must be risks and benefits.

02:36:07.000 Did he tell the kids and the parents there's FDA warnings that this can cause heart inflammation?

02:36:13.000 Did the other CNN correspondent, who's a mother, even show an ounce of concern?

02:36:19.000 What Scott Atlas uses in his book, Joe's, the term he uses is off the rails.

02:36:23.000 We're off the rails.

02:36:25.000 People in positions of authority are doing bad things, trying to seduce children into taking a vaccine that has official FDA warnings on it.

02:36:33.000 Without giving fair balance, that's malfeasance.

02:36:36.000 That's wrongdoing by people in position of authority.

02:36:39.000 Particularly when you look at the risk versus reward benefit for children, right?

02:36:45.000 The risk of COVID is very, very low for children.

02:36:47.000 When they talk about children being hospitalized for COVID, they almost all have severe comorbidities.

02:36:54.000 I don't care if it's one case of myocarditis.

02:36:57.000 If it could happen, the idea that we would not present something in a fair, balanced manner on TV.

02:36:57.000 Right.

02:37:05.000 There should never be an official on TV that says the vaccines are safe and effective, take them.

02:37:11.000 Listen, they have to be proven.

02:37:14.000 Show us the safety and show us the efficacy and let people make a choice.

02:37:18.000 One cannot conclude that they're safe and effective without showing any data.

02:37:22.000 I would never do that.

02:37:24.000 And this is the only time that's ever been forced on the American people that way.

02:37:27.000 It's the only time it's ever been presented to the American people.

02:37:30.000 You know, I can tell you what, we've got a history in this.

02:37:32.000 If you go back to this, if you go back to this, this is Sanjay Gupta and the CNN correspondent.

02:37:43.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:37:44.000 There was no fair balance there.

02:37:46.000 I got nauseated when I saw that.

02:37:47.000 It's just bizarre that he would do that.

02:37:49.000 I don't understand it.

02:37:51.000 Well, remember, he parroted a talking point that our head of the National Allergy and Immunology Branch parroted.

02:37:58.000 They said that there was no data for ivermectin, they said it was a horse dewormer.

02:38:07.000 Now, either they knew or they should have known the 63 supportive studies and the over 30 randomized trials.

02:38:16.000 Hey, that's a court of law.

02:38:17.000 Either you knew.

02:38:18.000 Or you should have known.

02:38:19.000 A person in a position of authority either knew or should have known.

02:38:24.000 Scott Atlas says they're incompetent.

02:38:26.000 They don't know.

02:38:27.000 Bring him on.

02:38:27.000 That's what he says.

02:38:28.000 He'll tell you.

02:38:29.000 He thinks they're incompetent.

02:38:31.000 I'm not so sure.

02:38:32.000 It's either they knew or they should have known.

02:38:34.000 Either one of those is good.

02:38:36.000 Either he knows or he should have known.

02:38:39.000 Either one is not good.

02:38:40.000 Which one is it?

02:38:41.000 Ask him.

02:38:42.000 Ask him.

02:38:43.000 Which one is it?

02:38:43.000 Give him a call.

02:38:44.000 Do you know about the myocarditis risks or should you know?

02:38:48.000 He most certainly knows because I showed it to him on the show.

02:38:53.000 I mean, that was a weird moment on the show, in fact, because he was trying to look at the results and spin it the other way.

02:39:03.000 And I had to go over it with him again, saying, no, no, no, you're looking at this wrong.

02:39:08.000 It's the opposite of what you're saying.

02:39:10.000 There's a four to six fold increase in myocarditis in children that are vaccinated versus the amount of children that are hospitalized from COVID for all causes.

02:39:23.000 So they're four to six times more likely. To get myocarditis than they are to even be hospitalized for COVID, which is crazy.

02:39:32.000 That's the Hogue analysis, not disputed by the FDA.

02:39:32.000 Right.

02:39:36.000 This is a nuance.

02:39:36.000 You know, there's another point.

02:39:37.000 I want to get this out.

02:39:38.000 There is a, I want to say, basically misleading paper in the New England Journal of Medicine that says that if one gets COVID, the respiratory illness, they're more likely to get myocarditis than take a vaccine.

02:39:51.000 Okay.

02:39:53.000 I can tell you, I'm a doctor.

02:39:54.000 I've taken care of hundreds and hundreds of COVID patients.

02:39:57.000 I've advised on thousands.

02:39:58.000 By the way, none of the Media doctors outside of myself, Steve Smith, and gosh, maybe there's one other on there.

02:40:09.000 I know George Fareed, maybe.

02:40:10.000 I think there are three doctors that America has seen on TV that's actually seen a COVID patient and actually treated a COVID patient.

02:40:16.000 That's it.

02:40:18.000 You know, the minority witness in the Senate testimony, Ron Johnson, waited about two hours into the testimony after he was advising on America on how to handle COVID 19.

02:40:28.000 He said, Doctor, have you ever seen a COVID patient?

02:40:31.000 You ever treated a patient?

02:40:32.000 And he said, No, I haven't.

02:40:34.000 He says, I have no more questions.

02:40:36.000 I'm telling you, there is almost a fraudulent scheme to this.

02:40:40.000 This New England General Medicine paper said that myocarditis is more likely in those with COVID 19 than with the vaccine.

02:40:49.000 What we know is that someone sick enough to be in the hospital who's in the ICU can have a small rise in troponin.

02:40:55.000 That's the blood test indicating cardiac injury.

02:40:58.000 But half the people in the ICU have that anyway from pneumococcal pneumonia, staph, sepsis, et cetera.

02:41:03.000 It's just part of being in the ICU.

02:41:06.000 The Chinese never called that myocarditis.

02:41:09.000 They called that cardiac injury with COVID. 1.00

02:41:11.000 The Chinese were right. 1.00

02:41:12.000 It's just a troponin elevation. 0.98

02:41:14.000 It's largely inconsequential.

02:41:14.000 That's it.

02:41:16.000 We don't do anything about it.

02:41:17.000 That's very different than the explosive chest pain, early heart failure, EKG, and massive troponin rises we see with vaccine induced myocarditis.

02:41:26.000 They are two completely separate syndromes.

02:41:28.000 What the New England Journal of Medicine paper is, they just use the numbers.

02:41:32.000 If you have lots of adults being admitted to the ICU, you're going to have big numbers of people who have a trivial rise in troponin that's inconsequential.

02:41:39.000 That's different than myocarditis after the vaccine.

02:41:42.000 Which has a lower occurrence rate.

02:41:43.000 And why is it myocarditis after the vaccine?

02:41:46.000 Like, why is the vaccine inducing myocarditis at such a high rate when they're both, it's the spike protein is responsible for both of them, correct?

02:41:55.000 I think it's the lipid nanoparticles.

02:41:57.000 And the lipid nanoparticles are very important.

02:42:00.000 Remember, parts of the body are more lipophilic, they take up lipids better than others.

02:42:07.000 The heart is interesting.

02:42:08.000 It relies on about 80% of its fuel, which is fatty acids, versus 20% sugar.

02:42:14.000 The skeletal muscles are just the opposite.

02:42:15.000 You know, they're 80% sugar, 20% fatty acids.

02:42:20.000 So we know that the lipid nanoparticles are almost certainly taken up in the heart preferentially.

02:42:25.000 They're definitely taken up in the ovaries and the corpus luteum.

02:42:27.000 The ovaries are taken up in the adrenals.

02:42:29.000 We know that they go to the brain.

02:42:31.000 There's been enough autopsy studies of freshly vaccinated people.

02:42:35.000 You can see what gets seeded.

02:42:37.000 The vaccine goes everywhere in the body within a matter of hours.

02:42:40.000 The vaccine seeds up in the brain, into the heart, the adrenals, the ovaries, elsewhere.

02:42:45.000 And I think the vaccine actually loads the heart probably with more spike protein.

02:42:49.000 That one would ambiently get with a respiratory infection.

02:42:52.000 Because of the liquid nanoparticles.

02:42:53.000 The lipid nanoparticles.

02:42:54.000 Excuse me, lipid nanoparticles.

02:42:57.000 This is obviously something that most people should know.

02:43:03.000 What you're saying is obviously information that most people, when you're talking about a population of 300 plus million people and 200 plus million people have been vaccinated already, I would like to think that this is information that people want to know.

02:43:21.000 I agree.

02:43:22.000 How much does it disturb you that this is being censored?

02:43:25.000 Because on every other platform, this conversation we're having right now would be censored.

02:43:32.000 Every other online platform, social media, they would censor this for sure on YouTube.

02:43:37.000 But what you're saying is incredibly important.

02:43:43.000 Censorship that has suppressed for two years information on safe and effective information.

02:43:51.000 Early treatment and censorship on vaccine safety has led to large numbers of deaths, hospitalizations, and permanent disability.

02:44:05.000 Joe, there is no bigger public health crisis than the impact of censorship in COVID 19.

02:44:16.000 We just did three hours, believe it or not.

02:44:18.000 Isn't that incredible?

02:44:21.000 I want to thank you.

02:44:22.000 I want to thank you for your courage.

02:44:23.000 Thank you for your dedication.

02:44:25.000 Thank you for your time for coming here.

02:44:27.000 And thank you for explaining this so eloquently.

02:44:31.000 It's very disturbing, but I think we're all better off having this truth.

02:44:35.000 Thank you.

02:44:36.000 Thank you.

02:44:37.000 If people want to, do you have a website that people can visit with more information?

02:44:42.000 You can follow me on America Out Loud Talk Radio, the McCullough Report.

02:44:45.000 I issue a weekly report to the country.

02:44:47.000 Okay.

02:44:48.000 Thank you very much.

02:44:48.000 Thank you.

02:44:49.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 13, 2021

JRE #1747 - Dr. Peter McCullough

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