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00:00:38.000First of all, let me just make clear so we don't get mass downvoted.
00:00:43.000I'm not saying that because I necessarily want that to happen.
00:00:46.000I'm saying that empirically, I think it's very likely that he's going to win.
00:00:49.000And the reason I say that is, I actually sent this to you, Jamie, if you want to pull it up, but when you look at the polls, and I know we get into whether or not you should even believe the polls, right?
00:02:21.000Hillary was the first, the original one who said fake news, and then Trump took it and ran with it, and now everybody thinks it's just a Trump thing.
00:03:13.000I used to think it was a cheap cop-out for someone who didn't want to deal with facts, and they would just tell their people, hey, this is fake news.
00:03:20.000And you'd be like, but you know, that's not fake.
00:03:23.000See, that's one of the reasons why I think Trump resonated, is because he would say stuff that I think people around the country just had a sense that he's right about it.
00:03:51.000See, the way it works is, and Noam Chomsky's got a book called Manufacturing Consent, where he really dives into the specifics of this and gives you the mechanics of it.
00:03:59.000The people who get hired at these news outlets, they've all had, like, the proper training.
00:04:04.000They go to the Ivy League schools, you know, they study journalism, and you only get promoted if they know you're really not going to rock the boat.
00:04:11.000And what I mean by that is you basically repeat the line that the government wants you to repeat.
00:04:16.000And so, you know, when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were out there making the case, a good little journalist says, oh, here's what the president says, and here's what the vice president says, and they're saying that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, and then you had Colin Powell go to the UN and hold up the uranium and say, oh, see, I mean, what do you want to do?
00:05:49.000So if you're a man and you're attracted to men, you have to become a woman.
00:05:53.000Which is crazy that they're okay with that.
00:05:56.000Very in a weird way kind of very progressive Like an incredibly progressive Yeah, it's progressive and homophobic at the same Super weird way.
00:06:14.000Yeah, this is the fucking I mean like We're dealing in 2020 and people getting beheaded in France for showing cartoons and it's happening all over again.
00:06:23.000I was actually just talking about this earlier that, you know, one of our top allies, Saudi Arabia, they still behead people in the public square.
00:06:38.000That that's happening in 2020. That's the thing that people, when people are not afraid of dictatorships or of the government running wild in America, I always try to tell them, like, North Korea is happening right now.
00:07:37.000He's like, if I was a dictator, this job would be easier or something.
00:07:39.000I think someone was calling him a dictator, and he's like, I wish I was a dictator.
00:07:42.000But that's him lamenting the paperwork that he has to go through and all The thing that drove me crazy is that like so you had under Bush and you had under Obama Basically the expansion of the security state and you had like the Patriot Act NSA spying all these tools that are authoritarian tools that the government can use and Trump correctly when he ran spoke about ending the wars and But then he gets in power and the wars continue and then he gets in power.
00:08:10.000He didn't dismantle He talks all the time about how the Obama campaign was spying on me.
00:08:14.000And I'm watching it like, if only you were in a position of power to do something about that.
00:08:18.000Like, disband the NSA. Stop the NSA spying.
00:08:24.000Actually, Chuck Schumer made that point, too, when he was on MSNBC. He had a moment of honesty where he was like, you don't mess with the guys in the intelligence agencies because they've got a thousand ways to Sunday to get back at you.
00:10:05.000He's like, I mean, listen, I know you don't want, like, babies to be bombed in Yemen by Saudi Arabia, but then again, Raytheon needs to make some money.
00:10:19.000He was coming out of the elevator and I was coming towards him and he looked at me and I looked at him and I wanted to go Hey, man, can I ask you some questions?
00:10:45.000That's what's weird about the system, right?
00:10:47.000What's weird about the system, when you see people like Chris Cuomo talking to his brother, and you know he's never going to bring up the nursing home thing.
00:11:26.000I was like, maybe he's just really strong.
00:11:28.000I thought he was bigger than he was, and I didn't realize how hard it is to lift a 100-pound dumbbell, which sounds ridiculous because I work out, but I don't...
00:12:22.000Like, nobody wants to see you do that.
00:12:24.000But there's a lot of weirdness, too, right?
00:12:26.000Like, how come they never brought up those tapes?
00:12:28.000The Michael Cohen tapes that Tucker Carlson was playing over and over and over again, where he's preparing Michael Cohen for the questions that he's going to ask him on CNN? Who was preparing Michael Cohen?
00:13:17.000And his thing with this was they were preparing him for the questions.
00:13:24.000You know, like, Chris Cuomo was telling him how to answer the questions when it came to the payoff money for Stormy Daniels and all that stuff.
00:13:32.000Which, by the way, you know, I really think that that's a perfect example of a kind of politics that simply doesn't work anymore.
00:13:39.000Back in, like, 1987, you want to have a story about, like, oh, the president fucked a porn star or whatever, people would be all over it and they'd be like, oh my god, this is ending him.
00:13:47.000It depends on the president, but really what Trump shows is that all it takes to override scandals like that, I'm not saying all scandals, I'm saying scandals like that, is you puff your chest out and you say, wrong, wrong, I don't want to do any of this, we're going to talk about something else now.
00:14:01.000And eventually people go, alright, I think we're going to talk about something else now.
00:15:30.000And also, let's be serious, it just diverts from what we're really supposed to be talking about when we're discussing the most powerful person in the world.
00:15:37.000Tell me what you're going to do with the economy.
00:15:39.000Tell me what you're going to do with taxes.
00:15:40.000Tell me what you're going to do with infrastructure.
00:15:41.000Tell me what you're going to do with foreign policy.
00:15:43.000And if we're not having that conversation, I do think most Americans, there's something in them where they're just like, this is not serious.
00:16:19.000But don't you think there's, I mean, for sure, some shady things have been done.
00:16:24.000But don't you think there's some benefit to having a really powerful agency like the NSA that understands how to spy on bad people and make sure that they don't get away with shit?
00:16:53.000And that's where we are where we are now, where the NSA can take everybody's metadata, everybody's information, and they can spy on you nonstop.
00:16:59.000So, you know, if you do it, and you follow the Constitution, and you follow the law, and you have, you know, a reason, and you follow due process, well then everybody's okay with it, because that's just called regular police work.
00:17:12.000Kennedy wanted to disband the NSA, right?
00:17:15.000No, CIA. It was CIA. I think he was going after the CIA. He wanted to give a lot of the peacetime military intelligence gathering capabilities to the Pentagon, to the military, and kind of get rid of the CIA's 24-7 unaccountable war machine.
00:23:31.000Like if you would see people doing things, you would stop people.
00:23:34.000And there's a video of him with his superhero costume beating the shit out of somebody because some guy decided to fight with him and the cops were literally standing there while this one guy's bouncing on the tips of his toes, on the balls of his feet rather, moving, leg kicks the guy, leg kicks the guy again.
00:23:50.000You're like, oh my god, like this poor bastard.
00:23:52.000Some poor drunk is just getting lit up by a guy who's a trained MMA fighter with a superhero costume.
00:24:48.000Jamie, I DM'd you this if you want to pull it up, but the first thing here is, this is basically every single presidential election and where the polls were going into that day.
00:25:00.000And basically, the Hillary Clinton-Donald Trump election was the only election where somebody had a four-point lead, as Hillary had, and then she lost the Electoral College.
00:25:08.000She won the popular vote, but she lost the Electoral College.
00:25:11.000Wasn't that the case with Gore as well?
00:25:13.000With Gore, well, Bush was up versus Gore 3.6 percentage points nationally.
00:25:54.000Well, he did in terms of the Electoral College numbers, but nationally, it was a very even race, which is why they treated it as such throughout the election.
00:28:43.000He's had some mental health issues, he's had some substance issues, particularly with booze, and he also is constantly around conspiracies.
00:28:52.000And I think you get legitimately psychotic when you delve down those roads.
00:30:15.000So you're saying that if everything's equal, and Trump wins everything he won in 2016, he still has a very narrow path to victory.
00:30:25.000No, so the point that I was making, and I'll explain it for people who didn't get the gist of it, but basically, if you take the polls in 2016 and do the same sort of pro-Trump swing that happened on Election Day, They've done that, and when you calculate those numbers, it's still Biden with 335 electoral votes.
00:30:44.000So even if you have that same pro-Trump swing, it's still Biden winning by a fairly safe margin.
00:30:49.000Now, to get to your point about does he have a path?
00:30:52.000Yes, Trump has a path for sure, but it's basically one path, and he can't afford any mess-ups along the way.
00:30:57.000So he has to win Florida, he has to win Pennsylvania, he has to win Arizona.
00:31:25.000Doesn't that skew bias towards Democrats because they're traditionally...
00:31:31.000Yeah, so that was another point that I was going to get to.
00:31:34.000When the votes roll in, everybody's going to freak out at every single thing that they see, but there are some states that count the mail-ins first, and when they count the mail-ins first, it's going to look like Biden's winning in a landslide.
00:31:46.000And then there's other states that do the opposite, which is they count the on-the-day...
00:31:51.000And the states that do that, it's going to look like Trump is winning in a landslide.
00:31:53.000So basically, everybody has to relax until you actually get, you know, to a very high percentage of the votes counted before you really know what's going on.
00:32:01.000Because there's going to be big swings throughout the night.
00:34:44.000You know, I think, honestly, Joe, I think that we just have too many good distractions to ever be in a civil war.
00:34:49.000Like, people might think, like, oh, let's go do it, and then they go, you know, Netflix has some new shit out, and I'd rather just watch that.
00:35:16.000I don't know, I watched the tape, and clearly he went to, him and his parents went to the protest, right, heavily armed, right, which is not, that's a choice that the family makes, right?
00:35:27.000I mean, that's a certain type of family that goes heavily armed to a protest.
00:35:33.000We didn't do that when I was growing up.
00:35:36.000And then it was a skirmish, but if you watch the video, and people got mad at me on Twitter because I said that, I think if you watch the video, you do see people chasing him.
00:35:43.000And then he shoots them, which again, this is all so good.
00:37:52.000I think, honestly, man, and some people might come after me for this, but I really believe that over the years, the evidence would show that when people feel like there's zero hope for a brighter future, and they're perpetually shit on by a system that doesn't give a fuck about them, that, yeah, usually you turn to more extreme ideologies across the political spectrum.
00:38:18.000You really think that that's why he showed up at that protest with a gun?
00:38:21.000No, because I was just gonna say, you have to look at everything on a case-by-case basis, and there are gonna be many individual instances where somebody does something fucked up because of, say, mental illness, or somebody does something fucked up because they were brainwashed into some sort of fundamentalist cult from when they were a kid.
00:38:36.000But I think the broader societal trends where...
00:38:40.000These things kind of catch on and more and more people are willing to be involved in some sort of violence.
00:38:46.000I think you have to have an unhealthy society in the first place to have that flourish.
00:38:56.000This is probably the classic example, but you couldn't have had Hitler rise to power without the Treaty of Versailles, which fucked Germany after World War I. And so you had this whole generation of Germans who were like, we've been fucking shit on and left behind and, you know, what are we supposed to do?
00:39:20.000I mean, and I really fear that stuff is going to get worse in this country because the economic situation is just abysmal.
00:39:27.000I mean, you talk about this all the time on your show, but when you shut down the economy, basically, because of the virus, you can't shut down the economy and then not give people a lifeline monetarily.
00:39:38.000Because then they can't pay the fucking bills.
00:39:42.000And a lot of other countries, Joe, what they did is they did like this wage replacement thing where they temporarily nationalized wages.
00:39:49.000So in other words, if the government told you, hey, you can't work because of COVID, they would then say, and that's why we're going to pay 75% of your wage until COVID is over.
00:39:57.000Could they have done that in this country?
00:40:01.000In fact, what we did is probably the worst of all worlds, which is we took trillions of dollars and threw them at the corporations and said, here, we're giving you a bailout.
00:40:08.000And then the corporations turned around and fired people anyway.
00:40:11.000Yeah, in the beginning of COVID, like Trump, they would have like these press conferences and they would be like the CEO of Buffalo Wild Wings.
00:40:18.000I'm like, let's bring out the CEO of Buffalo Wild Wings.
00:40:23.000And the guy's like, hey, we're just committed to helping.
00:40:25.000We're taking some of our napkins and making face masks.
00:40:29.000It was just a crazy group of people that came out.
00:40:32.000Like the guy who ran Red Lobster was like, we're also getting involved in the fight.
00:40:59.000They bail them out and they have no strings attached and then what happens is, you know, these executives paid bonuses to the same people who crashed the company And, you know, there's no accountability.
00:41:47.000And all the protection for people getting evicted is soon going to expire.
00:41:53.000That's right, and so we're about to, you know, I saw a tweet about this earlier from the guy at the Washington Post, one of the only good people at the Washington Post, and he was basically listing it, and he's like, here are the things that expire, you know, in the upcoming however many months, and people are screwed, man.
00:42:35.000So, the example that we've spoken about this before, but I liked, early on I liked what Japan did, because Japan did, like, limited shutdowns.
00:42:43.000They did some shutdowns, because some things there's no escaping it.
00:42:45.000It makes sense to shut them down just because of the nature of what they are, like bars, everybody's breathing on each other two feet away or whatever.
00:42:50.000So they did limited shutdowns, but basically the only thing they did is they had a universal mask policy.
00:42:55.000And culturally, it's viewed like you're the biggest asshole on the planet if you're not wearing a fucking mask in a place where you should be wearing a mask.
00:43:00.000And then they only had a thousand COVID cases when we had like 80,000, 90,000, 100,000 and rising steadily.
00:43:05.000So that's one way we could have done it.
00:43:07.000Or the other way you could have done it is you could have copied any of the European nations that when they shut down, they did, hey, we'll pay you 75% of your wages until this thing is over.
00:43:16.000France was one that did that, where they shut it down and paid people, I think it was 75% of their wages.
00:43:20.000But I think the UK did that too for a little bit.
00:43:57.000The government is scared of the people because they're like, you better fucking do shit that's gonna help us or else why are you even in power?
00:44:02.000Whereas here, I feel like we're more like, okay, just government, don't fuck this up too much.
00:45:52.000But Trump and Mnuchin, the Treasury Secretary, wanted stimulus checks because, listen, Trump knew, hey, you know, I'm kind of struggling in the polls here.
00:46:02.000One of the ways to get people to like you, you know, three weeks before an election, cut him another stimulus check.
00:46:08.000And he famously wanted his name on the checks.
00:46:10.000He said, put my name on the check so that when people cash it, they know that it's for me, and then they're more likely to vote for me.
00:46:15.000And what got in his way was Nancy Pelosi, who wouldn't accept any deal, even if it was a good deal, and Mitch McConnell, who, even if Nancy Pelosi accepted the stimulus deal, Mitch McConnell would have blocked it anyway.
00:46:26.000So those are the real ghouls, because Trump wanted stimulus checks, Mnuchin wanted stimulus checks, and this is to their credit.
00:48:57.000A lot of it's the fact that these politicians take money from corporations and billionaires and then they turn around and they serve them and they don't do anything that their constituents want.
00:49:06.000Because as a general rule, whatever the people want is opposed by the billionaire class.
00:49:10.000The billionaire class just wants more tax cuts for themselves.
00:49:13.000Regular people, if you look at the polls, they want, you know, a living wage, for example.
00:49:22.000And actually, this gets back to what we were talking about earlier because Trump in 2016, he never got credit for running a superb campaign, because he really did.
00:49:32.000When Hillary Clinton was not stepping foot in the Rust Belt to campaign, he was doing rallies there in the final weeks leading up to the election, where he would non-stop hammer on jobs, and he would say, you know, Hillary and Bill, they outsourced your job with NAFTA, they outsourced your job with Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China, I'm gonna bring your job back.
00:50:20.000It's policy-based, it's substance-based, and he portrays himself as the outsider.
00:50:25.000And then comparing how good his campaign was in 2016 versus how shitty it is this time around, I'm not surprised that Joe Biden, who barely has a functioning brain, is casually up by nine points, eight points, nine points, whatever it is.
00:50:41.000But wouldn't you agree that it's not that Joe Biden's run a good campaign?
00:51:27.000Is responsible for the economy's big boom, or do you think that he was riding off the wave of Obama, or do you think it's a combination of both things?
00:51:36.000See, that's interesting, because I actually don't agree with either one of those.
00:51:39.000I think the economy was always a house of cards.
00:51:41.000I don't buy it when people say, oh, we have a low unemployment rate, and the stock market is doing well, so people are doing well.
00:51:46.000No, even before COVID, 78% of the country was living paycheck to paycheck.
00:52:56.000That was because, again, that was because of corruption.
00:52:59.000That's because the people who were the executives at these companies, they pay the politicians to run their campaigns, and then they would go to the politicians and say, Hey, I financed your last campaign.
00:53:10.000I want to make my product a lot cheaper, so I'd like to ship it to some Chinese factory where we have a 14-year-old working for me, as opposed to paying an American worker a living wage with good benefits.
00:54:31.000There was actually an expose recently written by a guy who posed as a guy of Chinese descent, but I believe he's American, and he worked in a factory making iPhones and doing one thing 12 hours a day, and he wrote a story about it, like how inhumane the conditions are there.
00:54:52.000You try to get it in people's heads, like this is what you're supporting when you buy a phone.
00:54:56.000What's really kind of crazy is that Apple, with all their money, right?
00:55:00.000They're my favorite phone company, right?
00:55:02.000They're my favorite phone company because they don't sell your information like Google does.
00:55:10.000Even with Apple Maps, they're not constantly collecting data and then just selling it to all these companies.
00:55:18.000Even them, they don't see this massive problem and they don't do anything about it.
00:55:25.000They just keep going down the same road because it's been effective and because economically they have an obligation to their shareholders and this is the most profitable way to do it.
00:55:51.000There's a huge deposit of lithium in Afghanistan.
00:55:53.000There was a big story about that a few years ago, that they had found this new massive deposit of lithium.
00:56:00.000I want you to imagine this, and I want to put this out there.
00:56:04.000If Apple had their version of a Fairphone, like say this is our iPhone 12 Max Pro, but this is our Fairphone.
00:56:13.000Now this phone, everybody makes at least $15 an hour.
00:56:17.000This is a phone that doesn't use any conflict minerals that come from war-torn countries, but it costs $1,000, but it's not as good as the phone that costs $800.
00:57:39.000I need glasses to see my fucking text messages.
00:57:41.000I don't know what's going on with your pixels.
00:57:43.000If you could sell a phone that you could feel good about, where you could say, if a phone company came out with that and that was their big campaign, if it was ever a time, now is the time they could do that.
00:58:34.000The broader the scope, the harder it is.
00:58:37.000So, yes, if you're asking, hey, is it really possible to know where we get everything from for phones that are sold here when none of the materials come from here?
00:59:04.000Yeah, he's just saying it's not continuing to feed the slavery pipeline slightly better.
00:59:09.000So Apple's Rare Earth Recycling, a new iPhone series, steps up environmental response.
00:59:13.000Yeah, but that's just the environment.
00:59:15.000Even though this is good because they're not wasting the materials and they're recycling the materials, that's good for the environment, right?
00:59:22.000But that doesn't address the Foxconn workers who live in a place where they have dormitories and they have nets around the building because so many people jumped off, they decided to put nets up.
00:59:32.000You would need the international community to get together and we all say to each other, alright, no slavery?
00:59:37.000And then some, I mean, some country would decide we're going to be assholes because we'll get a competitive advantage if we have slaves, and then they'd probably do it.
01:04:35.000I hear you, but I think it's more about the supply chain where, like, at some point down the line, they're just getting something from somebody else who's doing the work elsewhere.
01:05:17.000That's really the extent of his argument, or his article rather, is when he wrote that, he thought when he first enlisted into the Army, and by the way, I believe that's 33. What year was that?
01:05:34.00035. Eerily accurate account of what we're dealing with today when it comes to why we really take military action on certain countries.
01:05:44.000In his case back then, he was talking about protecting bankers and Yeah, we had soldiers who were dishonorably discharged when they blew the whistle on some of our allies having child sex slaves.
01:06:28.000In Afghanistan, they have this whole thing where it's like they have ladyboys, and then they have, like, goat herders have sex with them, warriors.
01:11:43.000I like Kanye a lot and I thought that that was really interesting that his answer for the military was not something that he just ranted on.
01:11:50.000That was something they thought about.
01:12:27.000He didn't get his due, either, because the media hates him so much, that they didn't recognize what he was doing was he wasn't running like a traditional Republican, which is like Mitt Romney style, which is uninspiring.
01:12:38.000He was running like a populist, and that appealed to people who otherwise would...
01:12:41.000There are two times Obama voters who voted for Trump.
01:12:44.000Now they abandoned him because he stopped.
01:12:46.000He didn't govern like we thought he might when he was being a populist.
01:12:50.000Do you think that's because he was lying when he was running, or do you think it's because the things that he was promising, once you get into office and you see the reality of the job...
01:13:02.000I think Trump is a path of least resistance guy.
01:13:06.000So, when he got in power, he surrounded himself with the same fucking ghouls that have been destroying Washington all along.
01:13:14.000I mean, he had Gary Cohn, Goldman Sachs, Steve Mnuchin, Goldman Sachs, Larry Kudlow from CNBC, the guy's never been right about anything economically in his entire life, but now he's making decisions for the economy.
01:13:24.000And we can go down to John Bolton on foreign policy, one of the same guys who's a fucking war criminal who sent us to Iraq.
01:13:29.000So, Trump spoke against the Iraq War, and then he hired the guy who was most responsible for getting us into fucking Iraq.
01:13:35.000So the problem is, he picked all these career insider swamp creatures, and then all of them were talking in his ear all day, every day, no, no, you can't do that thing, you can't stop the outsourcing, no, you can't get us out of the wars, you can't do this, you can't do that.
01:13:48.000And Trump, listen, at the end of the day, all he really cares about is getting the adulation.
01:13:52.000And he loves, like, when he's doing a rally and the crowd is, like, loving him, that's his thing, man, that's what he's into.
01:13:57.000So he wants that love and adoration, While he just keeps the status quo going and holding it together with fucking band-aids and bubble gum, you know?
01:14:06.000I'm going to keep the status quo going, relatively normal, as I portray myself as this...
01:14:12.000I think you're right about all of that, but there's got to be some allowance made for the fact that, like, he spent two years defending himself from the accusation that he was a Russian spy.
01:14:27.000Two-year idea that the guy was a Russian spy.
01:14:29.000Listen, and the reason the Democrats did that is because they don't have anything policy-wise that they're pushing to make counter-arguments.
01:14:39.000So instead of saying, like, what we're going to do is we're going to abolish student loan debt and we're going to fight with the Republicans on this day in and day out.
01:16:08.000With a new government, our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people.
01:16:22.000The establishment has trillions of dollars at stake in this election.
01:16:27.000For those who control the levers of power in Washington, and for the global special interest, they partner with these people that don't have your good in mind.
01:16:39.000The political establishment that is trying to stop us is the same group responsible for our disastrous trade deals, massive illegal immigration, and economic and foreign policies that have bled our country dry.
01:16:56.000The political establishment has brought about the destruction of our factories.
01:17:02.000And our jobs as they flee to Mexico, China and other countries all around the world.
01:17:09.000It's a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities.
01:17:27.000The only thing That can stop this corrupt machine is you.
01:17:34.000The only force strong enough to save our country is us.
01:17:40.000The only people brave enough to vote out this corrupt establishment is you, the American people.
01:17:47.000I'm doing this for the people and for the movement, and we will take back this country for you, and we will make America great again.
01:20:10.000Okay, so now, but beyond this, Joe, because the main argument he's using against Joe Biden is Joe Biden is some sort of radical socialist Antifa lover.
01:21:25.000Trump is leading, so Trump needs that state to have any chance, and it looks like he's in the lead by 2%, which is actually not terrible at 89% in, which actually looks like it's solid for him at the moment.
01:22:07.000The mail-ins are 76% Biden, which is what I told you earlier, that the mail-ins are going to be pro-Biden, and on the day votes are going to be pro-Trump.
01:22:39.000Yes, Pennsylvania closed at 8, but they're counting.
01:22:41.000And they're starting again with the mail-in votes, which is why Biden has such a strong lead at the moment.
01:22:46.000But in the polling, in Pennsylvania, Biden was up about 5 or 6 points in the average of the polling.
01:22:51.000So that's basically Trump's biggest hurdle to winning the election is Pennsylvania, because he's down 5 or 6 points there.
01:22:59.000So, if he can win Florida, which it looks good for him now in Florida, Trump, then it comes down to Pennsylvania, and if he can win Pennsylvania, then you're getting, now you're really having a conversation about the election.
01:23:09.000Well, that's what I, right, that's what I said.
01:23:12.000No, no, but I thought you were saying, I thought you were saying that was it and he wins after that.
01:23:15.000No, no, no, no, I was saying that was it and then we can play the ad again.
01:24:09.000It shows all the groups of the swing states.
01:24:11.000By the way, scroll down, scroll down, Jamie, for one sec.
01:24:12.000North Carolina is an important swing state, and right now Biden's up just a little bit there.
01:24:17.000And by the way, Biden up in Ohio as well, even though there's probably early votes in just mail-in, but that's big too because Trump needs Ohio and he needs Pennsylvania.
01:24:25.000What's interesting too is the numbers of people voting.
01:24:28.000It seems like way more people are voting.
01:26:02.000I have no interest in deregulation and stuff like that.
01:26:05.000For Biden, my political awakening came with the Iraq War in 2003. When we basically were lied into a war, and we continued that illegal war.
01:26:17.000And he was one of the guys who voted for it.
01:26:20.000And listen, I truly believe that everybody who voted for that Iraq war should be in prison.
01:26:25.000It was an illegal war, even according to the UN. And over 200,000 innocent civilians are dead.
01:26:32.000So basically I couldn't bring myself to do it because that was the most foundational thing that happened when I was growing up getting involved in politics and I just can't look past that.
01:29:22.000And my living was taken from me by an authoritarian government who took me and a lot of men from Long Island who were trying to help people realize the American dream were unfairly painted as criminals just because we were expanding people's ability to get credit.
01:32:48.000Disneyland is losing some insane number of millions of dollars a day.
01:32:55.000The order prevents Gavin Newsom from exercising any power under California Emergency Services Act which amends, alters, or changes existing statutory law or makes new statutory law or legislative policy.
01:33:07.000The judge determined that the California Emergency Services Act itself was constitutional but noted that it does not permit the governor to amend statutes or make new statutes.
01:33:17.000That's what I've been saying the whole time.
01:34:15.000But just the type of person that would say that...
01:34:19.000Imagine being a governor, you're dealing with half your fucking state's on fire, like everyone's out of work, and you're like, you can't sing.
01:35:28.000Well, Fox News is certainly always right.
01:35:30.000I'm not saying it wasn't being passed around, but I'm saying that it was being passed around under false pretenses.
01:35:34.000On Fox News it says, no more than three households present, parties no longer than two hours, guests must stay outside, avoid singing, chanting, and shouting.
01:35:43.000Yeah, but again, where is that coming from?
01:36:42.000Announce ahead of Thanksgiving holiday to find gatherings in social situations, bring people together from different households at the same time in a single space or place.
01:36:52.000The order requires that a host of private gatherings to limit attendance...
01:37:08.000This provides an updated plan for California to gather outside their household and replaces the prior gatherings guidelines issued on September 12th.
01:38:20.000Attendees may go inside to use the restroom, as long as restrooms are frequently sanitized.
01:38:26.000They're telling you you have to sanitize your fucking restroom if you want to go inside.
01:38:30.000Gatherings may occur in outdoor spaces that are covered by umbrellas, canopies, awnings, roofs, and other shade structures that provide at least three sides of this space or 75% open to the outdoors.
01:39:32.000Shared items should not be allowed during the gatherings as much as possible.
01:39:36.000Any food or beverage outside gatherings must be in single-serve disposable containers.
01:39:40.000Wear a face covering to keep COVID from spreading.
01:39:43.000When gathering, face coverings must be worn in accordance with CDPH. No, CDPH. Unless exemptions are applicable, people at gatherings may remove the face covering briefly to eat or drink, as long as they stay at least six feet from everyone outside the room.
01:40:10.000Singing, chanting, shouting, and physical exertion significantly increases the risk of COVID-19 because these activities increase the risk of release of respiratory droplets and fine aerosols in the air.
01:40:23.000Because of this, singing, chanting, and shouting are strongly discouraged.
01:40:26.000But if they occur, the following rules and recommendations apply.
01:40:30.000All people who are singing and chanting should wear a face covering at all times while singing or chanting, including anyone who's leading a song or chant.
01:41:14.000But they have done that to large gatherings in California.
01:41:16.000They shut down the TikTok house, and these people are patriots.
01:41:22.000They were having a party, and they shut down, I think the Sway House, I believe it's called, and they were having a party, and they cut the water off to the TikTok house.
01:41:38.000Aren't they, when they shut it off, isn't it like these giant fucking parties where everybody's two inches away from each other, breathing on each other?
01:45:11.000And I don't think they're handling the responsibility of it well because they've tweaked algorithms to deprioritize what they call borderline outlets.
01:45:52.000But what I'm convinced of is that there's different levels to how much they prioritize you and how much the algorithm pushes you out to new people.
01:46:00.000And, you know, I've actually talked about this.
01:46:27.000They have this thing where they tell you what they're going to do, and one of the things they said is, in order to combat fake news, they want to make sure that the stuff that gets recommended is the respected outlets, namely CNN, Fox News, MSNBC. I listen to your shit.
01:47:01.000But Jimmy Dores get recommended all the time to me.
01:47:04.000It could just be that you watch more of him than me because, honestly, as long as you're a subscriber and you watch my stuff, then they will recommend it to you.
01:47:12.000The issue is they don't recommend it that much to new viewers.
01:47:16.000So it used to be if you're watching a CNN video or you're watching some other news outlet, they could recommend one of my videos because I used to get better views than they do.
01:47:25.000Now they pump theirs out all the time and they surpass me.
01:47:51.000What happens if someone like CNN puts out information that's demonstrably false?
01:47:56.000See, then that's the next point that I was going to make, which is it's ridiculous that they even have this notion that like, well, these are the real outlets and these are the fake outlets.
01:48:04.000Listen, you brought up Russiagate before.
01:48:06.000From the beginning, I was saying, here's what's going to happen with Russiagate.
01:51:20.000I would like to be sponsored by Chase Manhattan or Citigroup or a company with I hear they say well.
01:51:28.000One of the best conspiracy theories from the podcast we did with Alex is they think that there's a woman's voice in one of the clips saying, relax, we're here, we're here.
01:51:53.000Like someone directing the show with Alex fucking Jones and Tim fucking Dylan and me.
01:51:58.000That must drive you crazy that it couldn't be more obvious that there's no steering that ship and people are accusing you of like, obviously somebody's steering it.
01:52:06.000It's the most ridiculous steering too.
01:52:08.000It's me telling Alex, relax, we're here, relax, we're here.
01:52:12.000And they're like, it's a woman's voice.
01:52:51.000What I worry about is there's far too many people that aren't going to enjoy what's clearly the end of the country and treat it with laughter.
01:52:59.000And I think they're going to go out and try to kill each other and ruin businesses and ruin property instead of just accepting that this was a good run, that we had a fun run as an empire.
01:55:41.000But why does that make people democratic?
01:55:43.000I mean, listen, there's something to be said about if you live the kind of rural lifestyle, it's almost like, and I don't mean this in a derogatory way at all, but I'm saying, like, you're the townie of the area, you know what I mean?
01:55:55.000I don't mean it like that, because I'm a townie, I'm still in the place where I grew up, you know?
01:55:59.000Just, I guess, not in a rural area, more in a more city, suburban type area, but anyway.
01:56:03.000You're saying that the people that live in cities are more civilized.
01:56:46.000So when you have that interdependence, you need some type of regulatory, whatever it is, action that enforces those things so that everybody benefits or the great majority of people benefit.
01:56:58.000When you're in the suburbs or the rural areas, people are more likely to be like, hey, leave me the fuck alone.
01:57:05.000Well, that's why it's even more fascinating that Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, was the governor at one point in time.
01:57:10.000Yeah, because people had had it, right?
01:57:12.000Rudy Giuliani got elected in New York when people had had it.
01:57:32.000I don't know if they're tracking higher than that, but the crime is skyrocketing.
01:57:36.000Yeah, and de Blasio defunded the police.
01:57:38.000Well, this whole idea of, like, if you get rid of cops and give social workers the job of police, it's going to work out well, that seems to be a little childish.
01:57:49.000Yeah, the de Blasio thing seemed more like an accounting trick.
01:57:53.000Where he was trying to say to the activists, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I did the thing you wanted me to do, but he didn't really substantively address the funding for the police.
01:58:01.000I sent you an article on that a while ago.
01:58:03.000Right, so what is the, to break it down for Dunn?
01:58:05.000We could try to pull up the article to see the details of it, but basically he just used, he shuffled money from one part of the police department to another agency where he could say, oh, I defunded the police, but the money's being used for the same thing.
01:59:53.000And the point that I made and a lot of other people made is, once you open that door of like, oh, I think this person's mentally unfit, mentally incompetent, so I don't care what the voters said, I'm going to override them because I think I'm some sort of expert.
02:00:13.000Isn't that a thing where people who want to take over power, they look at the person in power and they try to find a way that they can do it, but they don't understand that that could be used on them.
02:00:23.000This is the argument that I was making to those dummies that were running Chaz in Seattle.
02:00:28.000I was saying, do you understand now that you said you could take people's property by force, Right.
02:00:33.000You can enforce your own laws, you can make your own country inside of a country, and you can put up boundaries and borders, and you can enforce those laws with violence.
02:01:15.000You know, that's the case with that whole thing that you're talking about where people want to do something to someone and don't understand that those things can happen back to them.
02:01:34.000The violence from the Civil War, that lasted for decades where people were still murdering people from the other side that killed their kinfolk.
02:01:50.000You don't know how to punch, first of all.
02:01:52.000You have to think about violence, and I'm curious to know what your thoughts are on this, in a principled way.
02:01:57.000So what I mean by that is you have to have a standard, and the standard that I've always defaulted to is only in cases of self-defense from imminent attack, basically.
02:02:07.000And I think that doctrine works well in your personal life, and I think that doctrine works well as a foreign policy for the entire country.
02:02:53.000The people that really understand violence and have seen violence and have committed violence for their country, those are the motherfuckers that you break glass in case of war.
02:03:05.000These people running around calling for violence, calling for a revolution.
02:03:12.000You are going to open a door that you can never close, and when those fucking soldiers come pouring out of that door, and they want to defend what they think is an attack on their freedoms and their country, you're fucked.
02:03:24.000Yeah, and again, that's why I'm happy to get back to the point I made earlier, that we have so many good distractions that I don't think we're going to get to the point of a civil war.
02:05:12.000This gets to a point, in our last podcast we spoke about this, direct ballot initiatives, there's never been a better idea, because usually when you put things directly to the people, they're overwhelmingly reasonable and sensible.
02:06:25.000And this is why, like, Boston bombing and all these things that are weird and you don't know anything about them, a lot of it's because the FBI doesn't want you to know how they recruit informants and how they operate.
02:07:25.000Is anybody ever going to address that, you think?
02:07:27.000I mean, I really do believe, not to beat that old dead horse, but if one cell phone company came along and made a cell phone and started shitting on all these other companies that make these phones using slave labor, say, no, our phones are made by union workers, they cost more, we make less, but we can sleep good at night.
02:07:45.000Yeah, so I don't know because I feel like it has to be addressed at the top level.
02:07:50.000That's one you can't do at an individual level or the bottom up.
02:07:53.000Like, market forces are not enough to fight something like that.
02:07:56.000You actually need action from people with authority and power.
02:07:59.000But also, it's such a complex thing to make a cell phone.
02:08:44.000You could really say that about Twitter, that Twitter...
02:08:46.000You know, through no fault of their own, is a monopoly.
02:08:49.000It's not like they bought out all the competition.
02:08:51.000But somehow or another, they made something that was so effective that nobody else really came up with a viable alternative, and they've become the number one source of distributing hateful messages.
02:09:01.000And what's scary is how much mainstream journalists view their job as to run to the mods to tell them when somebody's acting up or saying something that's not true.
02:09:14.000And I know you and Glenn talked about this.
02:09:15.000It's something I've talked about a lot as well.
02:09:17.000I mean, it is the case that now the new public square is Twitter, Facebook, these big social media companies.
02:09:24.000So, honestly, if we believe in the principle of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, you should expand that and basically treat these companies like public utilities and expand free speech protections to make them apply to everybody.
02:09:55.000And I think the problem is that the medium is so flawed that it's a great way if everybody plays by some real moral ethical standards of just don't say anything to someone you wouldn't say to their face and try to do it in a kind way and don't try to hurt people's feelings.
02:12:06.000If you do it all the time, you're going to get sick.
02:12:08.000And that's the same thing with processed information.
02:12:11.000If you're a person now, particularly during COVID, it's a huge issue because many people were, they really were detached from the outside world, especially people with compromised immune systems who are scared to go outside, older people.
02:12:23.000They just only communicate with people online.
02:12:26.000And so you're just doing, you're communicating with people through Facebook messages.
02:12:30.000And you're just fucking arguing with people.
02:18:30.000She also went from pretending to be, like, a lefty like Bernie Sanders and talking about healthcare for everybody, and then by the end of the campaign, she was begging for Donald Trump to get banned off Twitter as if that's some sort of, like, principled stand.
02:18:52.000Do you see that weird conversation she had with Rachel Maddow where she pretended to see the fly on Mike Pence's head and was laughing about it, but it's so obvious that it's fake?
02:19:30.000Before I let you go, if you noticed the fly on Vice President Pence's head at the time during the debate, or if that was something that only...
02:23:37.000And that's actually why I think in many other, like, European countries, they don't necessarily view taxes the same way that we do, because they actually tangibly see what they're getting for that money.
02:23:46.000They see that they get the healthcare.
02:24:05.000Like the UK, for example, they have what's called the National Health Service, NHS. And basically, that's public funding of public hospitals, public doctors, public institutions.
02:24:15.000So in other words, everything is the government when you go to the NHS and when you go to the doctor, right?
02:24:19.000And then there's examples like, I think Canada's like this and France is like this, where you have public funding of private institutions.
02:24:27.000So you have private doctors, they have their own practices, you can have private hospitals, it's their own thing, but it's funded through tax dollars.
02:24:33.000So that's a little bit different in how they structure it.
02:24:36.000So there's various ways to do it and get to universal healthcare, but the connecting tissue is funded through taxes, publicly funded.
02:24:44.000And that's, you know, that creates some problems of its own, right?
02:24:52.000Well, if you have, in the UK, for example, they have people coming in, when you don't have the tight immigration standards, you have people coming in from other countries getting operations that haven't paid into the system at all.
02:25:26.000Why is this identity politics gone so insane on the left that you can't have an actual conversation about immigration and depressing wages without calling people Nazis?
02:26:07.000If they don't say open borders, they say, well, you can come over and show up for a hearing, but you're not going to show up for a hearing because we let you in.
02:26:13.000So you could say it's not open borders, but it's de facto open borders if there's no enforcement.
02:26:18.000So she's against any type of enforcement.
02:26:20.000So if I said tomorrow, there's no enforcement for drunk drivers, but hey, Don't drive drunk.
02:26:48.000I don't have the same position they have.
02:26:50.000But I'm saying that's the problem with a lot of people when you look at that flank of the Democratic Party and you go, it would be great to have health care and all these things.
02:26:57.000However, you can't just have porous borders, no enforcement.
02:27:01.000It's like crazy to think you could do that.
02:27:03.000It is sort of overstated, though, how much they've put on this issue.
02:27:07.000It's not like Democrats, when they get in their local meetings, are like, we sure should open the borders.
02:27:12.000But I will tell you this, it is the reason that Trump won, and it is the most popular issue.
02:27:16.000If you look at the numbers, and Ann Coulter puts all these numbers up all the time, well over 70% of people, blacks, Hispanics, everybody, including recent immigrants, favor curbing immigration.
02:27:26.000They do not want just unfettered immigration.
02:27:29.000That's pretty proven every single time the question is asked.
02:27:35.000And Obama broke the deportation record.
02:27:37.000Obama deported more people than Trump deported.
02:27:40.000I'm just wondering why it's become this hot-button issue where everybody who wants to talk about it is a racist Nazi when literally Obama understood that you needed a border.
02:28:35.000Like, I do think that the thing about kids in cages, they were in cages under the previous administration, and they're in cages under this administration.
02:28:41.000I do think it's a genuine humanitarian concern when people see that and they're like, oh man, I don't think that looks good.
02:28:46.000No, that's a horrible thing that shouldn't ever happen.
02:28:48.000And I should say real clearly, when I say Trump's been established as being racist, I mean by them.
02:29:41.000If you legalize drugs, and it sounds crazy to people that don't want their kids to be hooked on drugs, and I have kids, and I don't want my kids to be hooked on drugs, but if you legalize drugs, you would essentially take the legs off of organized crime.
02:30:52.000Listen, there's a lot of things that people could do.
02:30:55.000The idea that the thing they're doing now is the only thing they could do is ridiculous.
02:30:58.000We're treating them like they're children.
02:31:00.000We're treating human beings in prison.
02:31:02.000When you're talking about private prisons and you're talking about people generating money by people in jail, you're treating human beings like organic batteries that generate coins for you.
02:31:12.000It's the most disgusting thing that we've ever done as a culture, is make it so there's more laws that keep people in jail because you can make money off those people in jail.
02:31:25.000By the way, I think it would have been great if Trump, he might win a second term, but I'm saying if he decided, we spoke about this, just legalize marijuana.
02:31:35.000Take it off as a Schedule I substance, or at least decriminalize it.
02:31:50.000Me and Ted Nugent got into it over pot.
02:31:53.000You know, because he's like one of those guys that thinks like, you know, hard-working, hard-playing Americans, you don't want pot, you don't want dope to be out there killing your motivation.
02:32:00.000I'm like, Ted, I smoke a lot of weed, I have three jobs, I work out all day.
02:32:03.000Like, what the fuck are you talking about, man?
02:35:56.000If Trump wins again, because you articulate this stuff better than anybody, what is the lesson Democrats should learn, if any?
02:36:04.000The one they should learn versus what they'll actually learn are totally different.
02:36:08.000What they'll do is they'll say, ah, we fucked up.
02:36:11.000We should have got somebody who was more pro-establishment.
02:36:13.000We should've got somebody who was further right wing.
02:36:14.000We should've got somebody who's more like Trump and like the Republicans.
02:36:17.000That's what they'll do, and that's what they'll think.
02:36:19.000What they actually should've done is realize that, hey, you guys jacked it from Bernie Sanders in 2016. This time around, Bernie Sanders won the first three primaries, and then what happened?
02:36:28.000Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar dropped out and endorsed Biden at the very last minute because Obama gave him a phone call and told him to do it.
02:36:35.000So they threw all the votes behind Biden like that, and then Elizabeth Warren stayed in.
02:36:39.000And Elizabeth Warren stayed in and siphoned votes from Bernie, and then it ended up that Biden, you know, just crushed from there on out.
02:37:44.000There are 274,000 mail ballots in Philadelphia County that won't be counted until tomorrow at the earliest, and those are very likely overwhelmingly pro-Biden.
02:43:39.000If they think that something's going to happen, they'll do something about it.
02:43:42.000What I'm amazed is that there's not a revolution in San Francisco.
02:43:46.000I have some friends that just got back from San Francisco, and they used to live there, and they hadn't been in a while, and they just went back.
02:44:09.000They were like, whatever it was, like the last time they were there, they were there about two years ago, I think they said, and it was getting bad.
02:45:57.000Michigan and Wisconsin, like all those states, Joe, they're counting the votes on the day first, and then the mail-ins come later.
02:46:05.000So it's going to look like Trump is up at first, but especially when it comes to Wisconsin and Michigan, Trump's going to lose because Biden's up big in those states.
02:50:51.000Listen, it's the Trumpification of politics in that you can kind of wing it, but if you have a better, like, presentation than the other people, like, yeah, you can win.
02:50:59.000All these old politicians, Joe, you know this, they're so stodgy and stuck up, and they...
02:51:03.000Too scripted, and then you got these people.
02:52:30.000So when the media is gaslighting you and saying it looks like 99% that Joe Biden is going to win, Joe Biden is a stronger candidate, he's going to win all these days.
02:52:40.000And then people hear that, they go, well, I might as well vote for the winner.
02:52:46.000I mean, this is interesting because this has made a significant turnout where it feels like there's an inevitability a little bit about Trump's second term.
02:52:54.000This is the opposite of the Young Turks coverage of 2016. I'm just waiting for Alex Jones to bust in here with cigars and singing.
02:53:05.000He's doing his own live show right now.
02:53:06.000Listen, I do think that people are kind of getting ahead of themselves because we are seeing the mail-in votes versus the votes on the day.
02:53:26.000I've only been to New York a couple times.
02:53:28.000Being so close to New York City, isn't it almost by default not going to be legal there because of how close it is and people just travel?
02:53:35.000In terms of purchasing it, no, not necessarily, but bringing it in and smoking it, yeah, I can see that for sure.
02:53:42.000But there's an issue with the alcohol lobby in New York where they actually paid the politicians quite a bit of money, and that's one of the reasons why you haven't seen much chatter about it in New York versus other states.
02:54:58.000Yeah, well, I kicked it because I saw myself on TV when I was 19. When I was 19, I won the Bay State Games in Taekwondo, and then I heard myself on TV, and I was like, oh my god, what the fuck is that?
02:55:07.000I was like, we were working really hard.
02:58:35.000When Chris Wallace said to Trump, do you denounce white supremacists?
02:58:39.000Do you know this is like a fucking video compilation of Trump denouncing white supremacists over and over and over and over again?
02:58:45.000That is true, but there's always a but and a by the way.
02:58:48.000It's always like, yeah, yeah, I'll say the thing you want me to say, but, I mean, come on, the real problem is Antifa, and let's only talk about Antifa.
02:59:06.000Right, but then, what does he say right after?
02:59:08.000No, listen, that Chris Wallace doesn't know that, that he's already said that, that he's pretending that he hasn't done it, is kind of shameful for a guy who's doing a debate.
02:59:17.000I know that the media is dishonest, and I know that they do exactly the thing that you're accusing them of doing, but my point is, he leads with that, and then it's always like, oh yeah, and by the way, the left-wingers are the real problem, let's focus on the left-wingers.
02:59:28.000Not always, but he has said that in the past.
02:59:32.000But the left-wingers when it comes to these attacks, like in Portland and in Seattle, that is a lot of Antifa.
02:59:39.000But the weird thing about that is, and I was talking to someone who actually understands this stuff, and he was telling me, listen, make no mistake about it, that shit's funded.
02:59:53.000Because there's like the Soros conspiracy, like, oh, there's big money funding some pink-haired and purple-haired college kids who don't even know what the fuck they're doing, and they're out there.
03:00:01.000They can't even give you a real political cause.
03:01:09.000Glenn Beck, towards the end of his thing at Fox, kind of went insane and started talking about the Masons and symbology, and it was some of the best television I'd ever watched.
03:04:37.000Because I see everybody flipping out, and I'm like, hey, idiots, they're counting all the mail-ins first in certain places, and they're counting all the regular votes first in certain places.
03:04:43.000But let's look at the gap in PA, because this is important.
03:05:31.000Because, Joe, these are the states, these exact ones where Trump is up, the ones in the upper Midwest, Pennsylvania, those are the ones where we haven't counted the mail-ins, and if he comes out and says, hey, it looks like we're having a good night, what the hell's going to happen?
03:05:44.000Because he's going to try to stop the vote there?
03:05:46.000Do you have a little bit of sadness that he's going to win again?
03:06:25.000When has there been a time when that wasn't the case in our lifetime?
03:06:29.000Our economy has always been bad, but if you're asking me for a model to point to that I respect, I would say FDR, the New Deal, the Social Democratic era.
03:07:06.000I can only tell you what I've seen recently.
03:07:07.000What do you attribute, like, I know, and I'm not asking this because I'm trying to prove anything, I literally know nothing about economics.
03:07:13.000What do you think was the reason why the economy was doing so well, at least on paper, during the Trump administration before COVID? So you mean, why is the unemployment rate low?
03:07:27.000Why were all these indicators that Trump was pointing to, this is the greatest economy the world has ever seen?
03:07:32.000So a lot of it had to do with the 2017 Republican tax cut bill.
03:07:37.000A lot of it had to do with his deregulation.
03:07:39.000Because what happens when you deregulate and what happens when you cut taxes for the wealthy and corporations is you have this thing called a boom-bust cycle.
03:07:45.000Where everything kind of takes off, and it looks like everything's amazing, and oh my god, look at these indicators, the unemployment rate is low, stocks are booming.
03:07:52.000But that's the problem, is that it's kind of fake, and this is exactly what happened in the lead up to the Great Depression.
03:07:56.000You had the roaring 20s, as it was called, because everything was taking off.
03:07:59.000Oh my god, the stock market's amazing, everything's great, and then eventually, you have your day of reckoning.
03:08:03.000It just so happened that in our case, it was COVID that kind of popped the bubble, right?
03:08:08.000COVID was the thing that really was like, doot, this thing is all fake anyway.
03:08:11.000But if it wasn't COVID, Joe, it would have been something else.
03:08:13.000Because just like in 2008- Is it safe to say that it's COVID because it wasn't real anyway?
03:08:20.000Because COVID just stopped people working dead in their tracks.
03:08:33.000They took $5 trillion and they pumped it into the economy, they handed it over to the corporations, and then they sat back and watched them make these terrible decisions.
03:08:43.000What could be done to bring the economy back?
03:08:45.000Well, first things first, stimulus immediately.
03:08:48.000I would do a universal basic income check for the remainder of COVID. If you're going to do any sort of economic shutdowns, you have to pair that with relief for people.
03:08:55.000We've discussed this already, but he obviously is not interested in doing that.
03:11:56.000He's gotten more Latinos and more black people than he did the last time.
03:11:58.000The black conservative movement is not covered at all by the media, and you look on YouTube, it's got hundreds of thousands, millions of views.
03:12:03.000It's very interesting, and the media ignores it completely.
03:13:47.000Because a lot of what you're seeing there is attributable to what I said from the very beginning, which is they're counting the votes that were in today first, and then the mail-ins come later.
03:16:43.000I don't think we're going to be getting an answer tonight.
03:16:46.000Because if it wasn't Florida going to Biden and being called, then it's going to go on because we're not going to know Pennsylvania for three or four days.
03:21:14.000I just think perhaps we're too online in our own world.
03:21:17.000A lot of people are just fucking working their jobs and making their decision when they see a speech or two on TV. You know what I mean?
03:21:23.000They're not following this shit in and out like you and me.
03:21:25.000You're right, but they heard about that.
03:21:27.000I know people that work regular jobs that said, you hear about this Twitter shit, and they were really upset about it, because they know that I've talked to Jack Dorsey, and I've had him on before, and that this Twitter censorship thing always skews left.
03:21:39.000Like, they always skew towards the left and censor...
03:21:42.000I gotta push back on that, because the Chapel Trap House Reddit was banned.
03:22:04.000That's Brett Weinstein's organization where he was trying to get people on both sides to come together, and Twitter banned their account, which is fucking preposterous.
03:22:12.000Facebook banned their account, but then due to a lot of pushback, Facebook reinstated it, but then Eric Weinstein said, you know, why are you lying and saying that this was an accident?
03:22:20.000Like, this was manually reviewed by someone.
03:22:23.000Yeah, there's a left outlet named Jacobin, and they did reporting on the election in Bolivia, and that was polled because in Bolivia, socialists won the election.
03:22:36.000Even smart, really smart people on the left, guys like Chris Hedges, people like...
03:22:41.000Your friend Abby Martin, they understand...
03:22:43.000Yes, she's been censored a million times, Abby Martin.
03:22:45.000All the critics of the state eventually get censored.
03:22:48.000So it's not left versus right, it's establishment versus anti-establishment.
03:22:51.000And there's different flavors and varieties of being anti-establishment, but if you're speaking up, yes, you're probably going to be in trouble.
03:22:59.000Abby's censorship, she gets a lot of pushback on her stance on Israel.
03:23:05.000Last time she did my podcast, there was a tremendous amount of it.
03:23:09.000I'm sure of it, but this is something she's been dealing with for the longest time, and this is censorious trolls who want to shut her up because they don't agree with her.
03:23:42.000And by the way, even if it was, let's say, because this is the point that Glenn Greenwald made, and he's a million percent right, when you're a journalist, if you're given something newsworthy, you don't fucking question the source.
03:23:53.000You say, this is information that people should know.
03:23:55.000It's like with Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange, when we learned that the United States was drone-striking innocent people, and then they released that video that showed us doing it, and then it became a big story.
03:24:05.000If somebody said, hey, where did you get that from?
03:24:08.000Did the Taliban give that to you, or did this person or that person give it to you?
03:24:47.000It's a show to be like, oh yeah, vote for me, I'm the fucking peace guy.
03:24:51.000So there's been no peace deals that were exceptional?
03:24:53.000No, the one thing I give them credit for on foreign policy, and I get a lot of shit for this, but I say it because I think it's true, is North Korea.
03:25:00.000Because North Korea, it is true that this was a place where Obama was not able to get a deal, And Trump basically went in there and said, I don't care, I'll talk to him.
03:25:09.000And then he talked to him, and listen, we're not at war, we don't have an official deal, but I don't care, we're not at war, and that's all that matters to me.
03:25:15.000The thing that's really interesting, though, is, isn't it weird how Democrats and Republicans just casually flip their position on the same issue when it's different countries?
03:25:23.000So, like, what Obama did with Iran is what Trump did with North Korea.
03:27:55.000No, I was just saying that Trump was doing better among minorities than he was last time, and Biden is taking all of these old white people from Trump.
03:29:12.000I think he meant on federal land specifically.
03:29:14.000But he said he never said he was going to ban fracking.
03:29:18.000But he did, and there's a lot of video of it, and so they caught him on that.
03:29:21.000Yes, but I think he's referring to federal land specifically.
03:29:24.000In other words, I'm not gonna ban it for the whole country.
03:29:25.000He said, he never said he was gonna ban fracking.
03:29:28.000I know, but they're kind of misstating it, because they want to make it seem like, oh, he's gonna ban it all across the country.
03:29:32.000No, he said, I won't ban it on, like, federal, or I will ban it on federal lands.
03:29:35.000Which, by the way, listen, I live in New York, they banned fracking in New York, because they cause fucking earthquakes, and they pollute the fucking water.
03:34:51.000If Trump were to win Pennsylvania, and he wins Ohio, and he wins Florida, see, his problem is he's not going to win Wisconsin and Michigan.
03:35:00.000I think he might eke out to 78 if he gets...
03:35:05.000Yeah, if he gets North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, I think that might get him there, but I don't...
03:35:12.000I saw the way he could win, or excuse me, Biden could win without getting Pennsylvania, but it would give him 270 exactly, which is like a tough way to...
03:38:42.000Because this is from 538, who is everyone's favorite account today because of the polls, but it says, in that case, Biden would need to carry either Nebraska or Maine's second congressional district to win.
03:38:55.000And I don't know why those two specifically.
03:39:09.000In the United States, a contingent election is the procedure used to elect the president or vice president in the event that no candidate for one or both of these offices wins an absolute majority of votes in the Electoral College.
03:39:19.000A contingent election for the president is decided by a vote of the United States House of Representatives, Congress decides, while a contingent election for the vice president is decided by a vote of the United States Senate.
03:39:33.000The Democrats in the House would pick Biden to be president, and then the Republicans in the Senate would pick a Republican to be vice president.
03:39:40.000And then what, the Supreme Court picks?
03:39:44.000During a contingent election, each House state delegation casts one vote to determine the president rather than a vote from each representative.
03:39:52.000Senators instead cast votes individually for vice president.
03:39:54.000The contingent election process was first established in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution.
03:40:00.000It was subsequently modified by the 12th Amendment in 1804. The phrase contingent election is not found in the text of the Constitution itself, but has been used to describe the procedure since at least 1823. Wait, so I read over that real quick, and you kind of glossed over it.
03:40:17.000It says that the president and vice president are indirectly elected, so that means they each are picked separately?
03:40:45.000I think it's going to all come down to Pennsylvania and I still think it's very likely Biden wins Pennsylvania because they've got to count all the mail-in ballots and they're overwhelmingly Biden.
03:42:18.000When Pennsylvania approved so-called no-excuse absentee mail ballots last fall, meaning any voter can request one without citing a reason, the law didn't allow officials to begin canvassing mail ballots until polls close on election night, according to Lisa Schaefer, the executive director of the County Commissioner's Association of Pennsylvania.