The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE End Of The World #2

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00:00:04.000 Is it real?

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00:00:08.000 End of the World Part 2. Tim Dillon, you savage.

00:00:10.000 It's good to see you, my friend.

00:00:11.000 Thank you for having me.

00:00:12.000 We're back.

00:00:12.000 Kyle Kalinske, a voice of reason, a person who actually understands politics.

00:00:16.000 That's debatable.

00:00:17.000 It is debatable.

00:00:18.000 We'll see how much the voice of reason I am.

00:00:19.000 I will say, I will lean towards you knowing what you're talking about.

00:00:24.000 What's going on?

00:00:25.000 I put the chat on.

00:00:28.000 Do you have an opinion about how this is going to go down?

00:00:32.000 Do I have a prediction?

00:00:33.000 Yes.

00:00:35.000 It's very likely to be Joe Biden winning.

00:00:37.000 What makes you say this?

00:00:38.000 First of all, let me just make clear so we don't get mass downvoted.

00:00:43.000 I'm not saying that because I necessarily want that to happen.

00:00:46.000 I'm saying that empirically, I think it's very likely that he's going to win.

00:00:49.000 And the reason I say that is, I actually sent this to you, Jamie, if you want to pull it up, but when you look at the polls, and I know we get into whether or not you should even believe the polls, right?

00:00:58.000 Right.

00:00:58.000 Because you don't think so, right?

00:01:01.000 Well, my thing with polls, I even have a bit on it, is like, who answers polls? 1.00

00:01:06.000 Morons. 1.00

00:01:07.000 So if you're listening to morons, like 46% of morons believe this. 1.00

00:01:12.000 But nobody, a normal person with a regular life, hey Kyle, may I have a few minutes of your time to ask you about politics? 1.00

00:01:19.000 You don't say yes to that. 1.00

00:01:20.000 Morons say yes to that. 1.00

00:01:22.000 So the people that you're polling are almost all morons. 1.00

00:01:25.000 Or lonely, or sad. 1.00

00:01:28.000 Or lonely or sad.

00:01:30.000 It's true.

00:01:31.000 Nobody pulls me.

00:01:33.000 I'm waiting every night for a call I want to talk for hours about, and no one cares.

00:01:38.000 Yeah.

00:01:39.000 Have you ever answered a poll?

00:01:40.000 I've never answered a poll, no.

00:01:41.000 Have you?

00:01:42.000 I've never been called.

00:01:44.000 Jamie, have you ever answered a poll?

00:01:47.000 Not like a real one, no.

00:01:48.000 Not a real one.

00:01:49.000 For like Kleenex.

00:01:50.000 Kleenex reach out to you or something.

00:01:52.000 I don't know who they call and why they call them.

00:01:54.000 I don't believe in polls and I don't believe in Nielsen families. 0.98

00:01:56.000 I don't think they're real.

00:01:57.000 I've never met a Nielsen family.

00:01:59.000 That's a good point.

00:02:00.000 People say they have a friend.

00:02:01.000 Oh, my friend's a Nielsen family.

00:02:02.000 Right.

00:02:03.000 Really?

00:02:04.000 Right.

00:02:04.000 So our ratings, everything's just fake.

00:02:06.000 It's all fake.

00:02:07.000 Yeah, we don't know anything.

00:02:08.000 The news is now...

00:02:09.000 The news is definitely fake, I'll give you that.

00:02:11.000 Do you remember when fake news, when you would hear fake news, you'd be like, that's such an unfortunate term.

00:02:16.000 I hate when people say that, because you know it's not fake.

00:02:18.000 You know Hillary started that, right?

00:02:19.000 It wasn't Trump.

00:02:20.000 What?

00:02:21.000 Hillary was the first, the original one who said fake news, and then Trump took it and ran with it, and now everybody thinks it's just a Trump thing.

00:02:26.000 No.

00:02:26.000 What way?

00:02:27.000 When did she do that? 1.00

00:02:27.000 I think the first time that that term came up, she said something. 1.00

00:02:30.000 It may have been in the context of, like, oh, we need to regulate fake news online.

00:02:36.000 Like, fake news, there's all these stories that blow up on Facebook, and they're not true, and maybe we should do something about it.

00:02:41.000 And she used the term fake news in a speech, and then after that, it was Trump who started using it.

00:02:46.000 Now everybody thinks it's, you know, been him all along.

00:02:48.000 Hmm.

00:02:49.000 Interesting.

00:02:50.000 Interesting.

00:02:51.000 Yeah, well, he used it a lot, that's for sure.

00:02:54.000 I mean, yeah, now it's his, obviously.

00:02:55.000 It's crazy, though.

00:02:56.000 He's got, like, a patent on it.

00:02:57.000 2016 was when we first heard that term.

00:03:00.000 Like, we have existed for a long time.

00:03:03.000 There's been media for a long time.

00:03:05.000 There's even internet for a long time, relatively.

00:03:08.000 And yet, fake news is a new thing. 0.99

00:03:11.000 But I used to think it was bullshit. 0.86

00:03:13.000 I used to think it was a cheap cop-out for someone who didn't want to deal with facts, and they would just tell their people, hey, this is fake news. 0.98

00:03:20.000 And you'd be like, but you know, that's not fake.

00:03:23.000 See, that's one of the reasons why I think Trump resonated, is because he would say stuff that I think people around the country just had a sense that he's right about it.

00:03:33.000 Like, Joe, think about it.

00:03:34.000 The media in this country lied us into the Iraq War.

00:03:39.000 That is the definition of fake news.

00:03:42.000 Not only is it fake news, but it's fake news that led to the deaths of 200,000 innocent Iraqi civilians and thousands of our own soldiers.

00:03:48.000 When you say that, you don't think they were in on it?

00:03:50.000 No, I don't think...

00:03:51.000 See, the way it works is, and Noam Chomsky's got a book called Manufacturing Consent, where he really dives into the specifics of this and gives you the mechanics of it.

00:03:57.000 But basically the way it works is...

00:03:59.000 The people who get hired at these news outlets, they've all had, like, the proper training.

00:04:04.000 They go to the Ivy League schools, you know, they study journalism, and you only get promoted if they know you're really not going to rock the boat.

00:04:11.000 And what I mean by that is you basically repeat the line that the government wants you to repeat.

00:04:16.000 And so, you know, when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were out there making the case, a good little journalist says, oh, here's what the president says, and here's what the vice president says, and they're saying that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, and then you had Colin Powell go to the UN and hold up the uranium and say, oh, see, I mean, what do you want to do?

00:04:30.000 Do you want, what did they say?

00:04:31.000 Do you want the evidence to come in the form of a mushroom-shaped cloud?

00:04:36.000 That was them saying, we need to act now, and forget about proving it, we have to act now, and the media went right along with them.

00:04:41.000 Was there any doubt...

00:04:43.000 That they knew that that was not true.

00:04:46.000 I think there are probably some people who made the argument who were convinced of the propaganda themselves.

00:04:52.000 But no, the decision had been made long before that, that Saddam Hussein was on a list of rogue actors who we wanted to overthrow.

00:04:58.000 And by the way, that list still exists today.

00:05:00.000 So all this fighting that we do with Iran, they're on the list and we want to overthrow them as well. 1.00

00:05:04.000 A lot of people don't know the history of it.

00:05:06.000 We want to get them bad.

00:05:07.000 Did you see they executed that Olympic wrestler?

00:05:09.000 No, why did they do that?

00:05:10.000 Because he went to a protest.

00:05:12.000 Oh, the Iranians executed him?

00:05:14.000 Yeah, he went to a peaceful protest, and they wanted to make an example of him.

00:05:18.000 He's an Olympic hero.

00:05:19.000 How did they execute him?

00:05:20.000 I don't know.

00:05:21.000 I don't know, but the UFC made a push.

00:05:24.000 Dana White put out a video begging the government to please not execute him.

00:05:29.000 It's an authoritarian theocracy.

00:05:31.000 That's what happens.

00:05:32.000 There's no social freedoms.

00:05:34.000 The idea of freedom of speech is...

00:05:36.000 Totally foreign there. 1.00

00:05:37.000 Well, it's, as you said, a theocracy.

00:05:40.000 I talked about it with Glenn Greenwald, too, that they have an extraordinary high number of transgender women. 0.88

00:05:47.000 Because they don't allow gay people. 1.00

00:05:48.000 They don't allow gay people. 1.00

00:05:49.000 So if you're a man and you're attracted to men, you have to become a woman. 1.00

00:05:53.000 Which is crazy that they're okay with that.

00:05:56.000 Very in a weird way kind of very progressive Like an incredibly progressive Yeah, it's progressive and homophobic at the same Super weird way. 0.97

00:06:14.000 Yeah, this is the fucking I mean like We're dealing in 2020 and people getting beheaded in France for showing cartoons and it's happening all over again. 0.95

00:06:23.000 I was actually just talking about this earlier that, you know, one of our top allies, Saudi Arabia, they still behead people in the public square. 0.99

00:06:30.000 Yeah.

00:06:30.000 You know?

00:06:30.000 And they do it for drug smuggling.

00:06:32.000 They do it for apostasy. 0.99

00:06:34.000 All these crimes that are not even really crimes and they'll kill you. 0.99

00:06:37.000 That's crazy.

00:06:38.000 That that's happening in 2020. That's the thing that people, when people are not afraid of dictatorships or of the government running wild in America, I always try to tell them, like, North Korea is happening right now.

00:06:51.000 Those are human beings.

00:06:53.000 Those are human beings that went down a path.

00:06:56.000 Is it likely that we'll go down that same path?

00:06:58.000 No.

00:06:58.000 But human beings have been going down those paths from the beginning of language, from the beginning of time.

00:07:04.000 The strongman is a big...

00:07:06.000 The idea of a strong man, the dictator, the person.

00:07:08.000 I call all the shots.

00:07:10.000 That's why everybody's terrified of Trump.

00:07:11.000 That's why a lot of intellectuals were terrified of Trump.

00:07:14.000 They didn't like that language.

00:07:15.000 They didn't like what people were attracted to about him because they knew where that led.

00:07:22.000 It was a phrase that he said once where he was talking about, I wish I was a dictator.

00:07:27.000 It would be a lot easier.

00:07:29.000 Remember that?

00:07:29.000 I don't remember that, no.

00:07:31.000 I feel like I would remember that quote.

00:07:33.000 That's what I remember.

00:07:34.000 He did something like that.

00:07:35.000 Something like that.

00:07:37.000 He's like, if I was a dictator, this job would be easier or something.

00:07:39.000 I think someone was calling him a dictator, and he's like, I wish I was a dictator.

00:07:42.000 But that's him lamenting the paperwork that he has to go through and all The thing that drove me crazy is that like so you had under Bush and you had under Obama Basically the expansion of the security state and you had like the Patriot Act NSA spying all these tools that are authoritarian tools that the government can use and Trump correctly when he ran spoke about ending the wars and But then he gets in power and the wars continue and then he gets in power.

00:08:10.000 He didn't dismantle He talks all the time about how the Obama campaign was spying on me.

00:08:14.000 And I'm watching it like, if only you were in a position of power to do something about that.

00:08:18.000 Like, disband the NSA. Stop the NSA spying.

00:08:21.000 That's a good way to get shot. 0.74

00:08:22.000 Yeah, that's a good way to get...

00:08:24.000 Actually, Chuck Schumer made that point, too, when he was on MSNBC. He had a moment of honesty where he was like, you don't mess with the guys in the intelligence agencies because they've got a thousand ways to Sunday to get back at you.

00:08:33.000 Right.

00:08:34.000 Yeah, well, that was one of the things that he said to Trump.

00:08:36.000 Glenn...

00:08:37.000 Glenn Greenwald brought that up on the podcast as well.

00:08:40.000 It doesn't seem like Biden is more of a war hawk, though, in a weird way, and Kamal is more of a war hawk.

00:08:45.000 It's about Russia.

00:08:46.000 They're talking about Trump's too friendly with North Korea.

00:08:48.000 He's too friendly with Russia.

00:08:48.000 Yes, on those issues, absolutely.

00:08:49.000 It's kind of weird.

00:08:50.000 I'm like, shouldn't we be friendly with these nuclear powers?

00:08:53.000 But isn't that just to court the people on the right that maybe they find him?

00:08:58.000 No, no, no.

00:09:00.000 Biden was part of the Obama administration.

00:09:01.000 We don't have to guess.

00:09:03.000 They continued the wars.

00:09:04.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:04.000 And so I think Biden will continue the wars.

00:09:06.000 And to your point, yes, there are specific issues like Russia, where what the Democrats say happens to be more hawkish.

00:09:12.000 It's more bellicose than what the Republicans say.

00:09:15.000 The thing that drives me crazy is that whenever any of them get in power, none of them just end the wars.

00:09:19.000 None of them get out of Iraq. 0.98

00:09:20.000 None of them get out of Afghanistan. 0.99

00:09:21.000 Every now and then Trump will fire off a tweet where he's like, you know, we're getting out.

00:09:24.000 And then one of the generals behind the scenes is like, no, we're not.

00:09:27.000 And he's like, you're right, we're not.

00:09:28.000 I was wrong about that.

00:09:29.000 Can we afford to get out of the wars?

00:09:31.000 This is an ugly question.

00:09:32.000 Can we afford to stop the wars now?

00:09:35.000 A Ford?

00:09:36.000 Yeah, isn't it a moneymaker?

00:09:37.000 Isn't that why we're there?

00:09:39.000 Well, a military-industrial complex, sure.

00:09:40.000 There are a lot of people that make a lot of money from it.

00:09:42.000 It's a tough economy.

00:09:43.000 Maybe we stop the wars in a couple of years.

00:09:46.000 I don't know.

00:09:47.000 And actually, one time on CNN, Wolf Blitzer actually said that to Rand Paul.

00:09:53.000 When Rand Paul made that argument, he was like, we should not be giving weapons to Saudi Arabia.

00:09:59.000 And Wolf Blitzer's response was, yeah, but what about the jobs?

00:10:02.000 Right.

00:10:03.000 Did anybody say that?

00:10:04.000 That's crazy.

00:10:04.000 Yes.

00:10:05.000 He's like, I mean, listen, I know you don't want, like, babies to be bombed in Yemen by Saudi Arabia, but then again, Raytheon needs to make some money.

00:10:11.000 What are you going to do?

00:10:12.000 It's such a dirty game.

00:10:13.000 I ran into him in a hotel in Vegas.

00:10:16.000 Does he exist as an actual person?

00:10:18.000 He's a human.

00:10:18.000 He's a robot, right?

00:10:19.000 He was coming out of the elevator and I was coming towards him and he looked at me and I looked at him and I wanted to go Hey, man, can I ask you some questions? 0.98

00:10:27.000 Just a few fucking minutes. 0.96

00:10:29.000 And then I didn't. 0.99

00:10:30.000 I said hey, what's up? 0.99

00:10:31.000 I just got in the elevator and I'm like, ah, you should have fucking talked to him. 0.92

00:10:34.000 He's what I alluded to before, which is the reason why he's on CNN for 47 hours a day is because that guy's not gonna rock the boat. 0.97

00:10:41.000 That guy's gonna ask the questions that the people in power want him to ask.

00:10:44.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:10:45.000 That's what's weird about the system, right?

00:10:47.000 What's weird about the system, when you see people like Chris Cuomo talking to his brother, and you know he's never going to bring up the nursing home thing.

00:10:57.000 And he was on CNN, like, every week!

00:10:59.000 Yeah, you've got this one chance to talk.

00:11:01.000 I mean, you've got a real issue.

00:11:03.000 You've got a real issue.

00:11:04.000 Beyond, as serious as it gets, life and death issue, and he's directly in charge of it.

00:11:07.000 He could fix it, and his brother's throwing softballs, talking about, you know...

00:11:10.000 Hey, remember we had meatballs the other week with...

00:11:12.000 Yeah, with the family? 0.99

00:11:13.000 Fucking guy, don't call me Fredo. 1.00

00:11:15.000 I mean, they're disgusting people. 1.00

00:11:17.000 Well, you know the fake weight controversy? 0.98

00:11:20.000 I've been involved in the fake weight controversy.

00:11:22.000 Fake weight controversy?

00:11:23.000 Fake weight.

00:11:24.000 Oh, fake weight?

00:11:25.000 Because I bought into it.

00:11:26.000 I was like, maybe he's just really strong.

00:11:28.000 I thought he was bigger than he was, and I didn't realize how hard it is to lift a 100-pound dumbbell, which sounds ridiculous because I work out, but I don't...

00:11:35.000 Do those kind of workouts?

00:11:37.000 I'm like, maybe he's just really strong. 1.00

00:11:38.000 And everybody was like, you're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

00:11:40.000 There's no way. 1.00

00:11:41.000 Are you a moron? 1.00

00:11:42.000 People were analyzing that like Building 7. They were freeze-framing and going, take a look. 1.00

00:11:47.000 I talked to Robert Oberst and Rob Kenny, who are real...

00:11:51.000 These guys are real strong men.

00:11:53.000 You know, Rob Kearney is like one of the strongest, I think he's the strongest man pound for pound in his weight class.

00:11:59.000 And then Robert Oberst is a legitimate giant.

00:12:02.000 He's like 300 plus pounds.

00:12:03.000 And he's like, he would have to be one of the strongest men I've ever seen in my life.

00:12:06.000 There's no way.

00:12:07.000 Just so I fill in the gaps here, Chris Cuomo is releasing videos of himself working out.

00:12:12.000 No, worse.

00:12:13.000 Sitting at a desk with a dumbbell that says 100 pounds on it, where these experts are saying there's no way it could be 100 pounds.

00:12:21.000 Dude, you're a news guy.

00:12:22.000 What are you doing?

00:12:22.000 Like, nobody wants to see you do that.

00:12:24.000 But there's a lot of weirdness, too, right?

00:12:26.000 Like, how come they never brought up those tapes?

00:12:28.000 The Michael Cohen tapes that Tucker Carlson was playing over and over and over again, where he's preparing Michael Cohen for the questions that he's going to ask him on CNN? Who was preparing Michael Cohen?

00:12:37.000 Chris Cuomo was.

00:12:38.000 You never saw that?

00:12:39.000 No, no, no, I never saw that. 1.00

00:12:40.000 Yeah, because you're a fucking full-on leftist. 0.99

00:12:43.000 First of all, it's funny that you think I sit around and watch CNN and MSNBC all day. 1.00

00:12:47.000 Are you fucking kidding me? 0.99

00:12:48.000 I'd never waste my life. 0.99

00:12:49.000 Fox spent day after day going over these tapes.

00:12:55.000 Because I don't know how they got the tapes.

00:12:57.000 It's never been clear.

00:12:58.000 But it's Chris Cuomo.

00:12:59.000 I think Michael Cohen probably bugged his room and taped all of his conversations and probably gave it to Tucker Carlson.

00:13:06.000 Like, maybe he's making some sort of behind-the-scenes deals.

00:13:10.000 Because Cohen is, you know, he's been known to be a guy who...

00:13:14.000 He's Trump's fixer.

00:13:15.000 He's a fixer. 1.00

00:13:16.000 He does sleazy shit. 1.00

00:13:17.000 And his thing with this was they were preparing him for the questions. 1.00

00:13:24.000 You know, like, Chris Cuomo was telling him how to answer the questions when it came to the payoff money for Stormy Daniels and all that stuff.

00:13:32.000 Which, by the way, you know, I really think that that's a perfect example of a kind of politics that simply doesn't work anymore.

00:13:39.000 Back in, like, 1987, you want to have a story about, like, oh, the president fucked a porn star or whatever, people would be all over it and they'd be like, oh my god, this is ending him. 0.93

00:13:46.000 It depends on the president. 0.95

00:13:47.000 It depends on the president, but really what Trump shows is that all it takes to override scandals like that, I'm not saying all scandals, I'm saying scandals like that, is you puff your chest out and you say, wrong, wrong, I don't want to do any of this, we're going to talk about something else now.

00:14:01.000 And eventually people go, alright, I think we're going to talk about something else now. 0.99

00:14:04.000 Everybody knows he fucks girls. 0.99

00:14:07.000 Right. 0.99

00:14:08.000 This is not confusing.

00:14:09.000 He ran the Miss Universe pageant.

00:14:13.000 Yes, that's right. 1.00

00:14:14.000 He's a famous billionaire who's had multiple wives, and he's that fucking guy, that mover-shaker guy. 0.99

00:14:23.000 But the best example of this is, remember when they released the Access Hollywood tape? 1.00

00:14:27.000 And, you know, he was caught on tape saying, I grabbed him by the pussy, I don't even wait. 0.99

00:14:31.000 And then the media, I don't know if you remember the media reaction to that, but they were all convinced, like, that's it. 0.99

00:14:35.000 The race is over.

00:14:36.000 He's gonna drop out.

00:14:38.000 Pence is gonna take over, and it's gonna be Pence versus Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:14:41.000 And his response to that, I think, showed this new era of politics, which is actually brilliant.

00:14:46.000 You always go on the offense.

00:14:48.000 So what he did is, at the next debate, he brought all of Bill Clinton's accusers...

00:14:52.000 And he had like six of them sitting there.

00:14:54.000 And then when they asked him that question, which by the way, of course, it was like the first question they asked him.

00:14:58.000 He was like, listen, I'm not proud of what I said, but what I said was just words.

00:15:01.000 It was just words.

00:15:02.000 What Bill did was actions.

00:15:04.000 What he did was actions.

00:15:05.000 And they're all right there.

00:15:06.000 Bill, I think you should apologize to these people right here.

00:15:09.000 What you do is you flip it, and you go on the offense, and then the best defense is a good offense, and then he made it a wash.

00:15:14.000 The issue is now a wash.

00:15:15.000 Also, in his case, that is a really good argument.

00:15:18.000 Of course it's a good argument.

00:15:19.000 It's not like a regular person. 0.96

00:15:21.000 He's talking about Bill Clinton, who's married to Hillary Clinton, who was his opponent, so her calling him a sexual predator is rich. 0.96

00:15:29.000 That's right.

00:15:30.000 And also, let's be serious, it just diverts from what we're really supposed to be talking about when we're discussing the most powerful person in the world.

00:15:37.000 Tell me what you're going to do with the economy.

00:15:39.000 Tell me what you're going to do with taxes.

00:15:40.000 Tell me what you're going to do with infrastructure.

00:15:41.000 Tell me what you're going to do with foreign policy.

00:15:43.000 And if we're not having that conversation, I do think most Americans, there's something in them where they're just like, this is not serious.

00:15:49.000 Let me ask you this.

00:15:50.000 You say that he should have ended these wars.

00:15:53.000 He should have disbanded the NSA. I wouldn't go that far.

00:15:57.000 Just stop the spying.

00:15:57.000 I don't even think it's possible.

00:15:59.000 First of all, I don't think the president has that kind of power. 0.99

00:16:01.000 I'm ignorant. 0.77

00:16:02.000 Well, technically he does.

00:16:03.000 Technically he can, because that's an executive agency and he controls the executive agencies.

00:16:07.000 So he could literally disband the NSA. He could do whatever he wants with any of the executive agencies.

00:16:12.000 Good luck with that. 0.99

00:16:14.000 Well, that gets back to what we were saying before, the Schumer point of like, no, they are going to fuck with you. 0.99

00:16:18.000 And we've seen that. 0.98

00:16:19.000 But don't you think there's, I mean, for sure, some shady things have been done. 0.99

00:16:24.000 But don't you think there's some benefit to having a really powerful agency like the NSA that understands how to spy on bad people and make sure that they don't get away with shit? 0.93

00:16:34.000 Only if you have due process. 0.97

00:16:36.000 Only if you follow the Constitution and have due process.

00:16:39.000 But how can you do that and still spy on people without warrants?

00:16:41.000 You've got to show evidence.

00:16:42.000 You've got to show evidence to a judge, a judge will approve it, and then you can spy.

00:16:46.000 But the judge has a big mouth.

00:16:47.000 But the way it works now, you know, FISA courts, it's just a rubber stamp where they say, oh, we want to spy on this person.

00:16:51.000 They don't even look.

00:16:52.000 Ah, whatever, that's fine.

00:16:53.000 You should go spy on them.

00:16:53.000 And that's where we are where we are now, where the NSA can take everybody's metadata, everybody's information, and they can spy on you nonstop.

00:16:59.000 So, you know, if you do it, and you follow the Constitution, and you follow the law, and you have, you know, a reason, and you follow due process, well then everybody's okay with it, because that's just called regular police work.

00:17:12.000 Kennedy wanted to disband the NSA, right?

00:17:14.000 And now he's dead.

00:17:15.000 No, CIA. It was CIA. I think he was going after the CIA. He wanted to give a lot of the peacetime military intelligence gathering capabilities to the Pentagon, to the military, and kind of get rid of the CIA's 24-7 unaccountable war machine.

00:17:33.000 And look at what happened.

00:17:35.000 There's probably a lot of reasons why he was shot.

00:17:39.000 I mean, there's probably multiple...

00:17:41.000 Maybe Marilyn Manson was pissed and hired a hitman or something. 0.92

00:17:44.000 Yeah.

00:17:45.000 Uh, not Marilyn Manson.

00:17:46.000 Oh, Marilyn Monroe?

00:17:47.000 He and Edgar.

00:17:49.000 New conspiracy. 1.00

00:17:50.000 Marilyn Manson is fucking JFK. It says something nice about our country that the deep state hasn't tried to kill Trump. 0.99

00:17:57.000 I think that's, like, a nice thing.

00:17:59.000 It says something nice.

00:18:02.000 He's keeping the wars going, right?

00:18:04.000 He's keeping the wars going.

00:18:04.000 Sure, but I also think it's maybe they're getting a little softer, a little bit more.

00:18:09.000 More progressive.

00:18:10.000 They're more progressive.

00:18:11.000 Whatever it is, but I think it's nice, because they were killing everyone.

00:18:13.000 Remember Bobby Kennedy, JFK, MLK? There was a period, yeah.

00:18:17.000 It was just spraying bullets at everybody, and now it's kind of a light touch.

00:18:21.000 We'll say he's a Soviet agent, or we'll... 0.66

00:18:24.000 Did you read that book that I told you about, Chaos, that Tom O'Neill book?

00:18:27.000 I read a few chapters of it.

00:18:28.000 It's amazing.

00:18:29.000 It gets into Bobby Kennedy at the end.

00:18:32.000 That Jolly West guy, the CIA guy, that guy was involved with Jack Ruby.

00:18:39.000 That guy was involved with Sirhan Sirhan.

00:18:41.000 You should hear Robert Kennedy talk about it on the Mike Tyson podcast.

00:18:47.000 Really?

00:18:47.000 Yeah.

00:18:48.000 They have a record of all eight bullets that got fired out of that gun, and they weren't fired at...

00:18:56.000 Robert, I believe, is the way he called it.

00:18:58.000 That whole era was just a lie.

00:18:59.000 Like, that whole era was just...

00:19:01.000 A lot of lying.

00:19:01.000 Yeah, a lot of lying.

00:19:02.000 A lot of fibs.

00:19:03.000 A lot of fibs.

00:19:03.000 You know, but eventually Vietnam ended.

00:19:05.000 And we're still in Iraq.

00:19:06.000 We're still in Afghanistan.

00:19:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:19:08.000 Vietnam, we talk about it like it was such a long war. 0.99

00:19:11.000 It wasn't shit. 0.99

00:19:12.000 Compared to Afghanistan. 0.99

00:19:13.000 Afghanistan, 2001, we started it.

00:19:15.000 19 years.

00:19:16.000 Who is still in Afghanistan?

00:19:17.000 We still have about...

00:19:19.000 I want to say about 5,000 or 6,000 troops there.

00:19:22.000 Wow, okay.

00:19:23.000 Because I have friends that have done like three tours there and now they're back.

00:19:27.000 Like people have gone three or four tours entire, you know, chunks of their life in that war.

00:19:32.000 People forget it's even happened.

00:19:33.000 I covered a story on my show.

00:19:35.000 There was a father and a son.

00:19:36.000 There was an article in some military outlet where the dad is talking about how now my son is going to the same war that I fought in.

00:19:43.000 And, you know, I pulled up a cartoon that was drawn in like 07 or something where somebody made that joke.

00:19:49.000 Joking around like, yeah, haha, father and son going to the same war.

00:19:52.000 Then it happened.

00:19:53.000 Yeah.

00:19:54.000 It's really disturbing.

00:19:56.000 If you're into it, maybe they like it.

00:19:59.000 I mean, certain families want to be...

00:20:01.000 Some people just want to go to war.

00:20:04.000 I have friends that are in the military because they like to kill. 0.98

00:20:07.000 And they need to go kill somewhere. 0.99

00:20:10.000 It's true. 0.93

00:20:11.000 Well, don't you think they think they're doing it for a good reason?

00:20:14.000 No.

00:20:15.000 Not the people from Long Island that I know.

00:20:18.000 No.

00:20:18.000 The people from Long Island and Boston that I know.

00:20:21.000 No, they just...

00:20:22.000 Anything's a good reason for them, you know?

00:20:25.000 But we've got to have a thing for people, right?

00:20:27.000 And you know more about violence than anybody.

00:20:29.000 There's got to be something where violent people can go and be productive.

00:20:33.000 They need an outlet.

00:20:34.000 They need an outlet.

00:20:34.000 I've had conversations with people about violence where they're like...

00:20:38.000 You know, like, violence has no place in our society.

00:20:40.000 And they think that the UFC is bad for our society.

00:20:43.000 I'm like, those are some of the...

00:20:45.000 I've seen so few brawls at UFCs, it's amazing.

00:20:49.000 I've been to hundreds of those things.

00:20:50.000 I don't know how many times I've ever seen a fight.

00:20:53.000 Like, maybe three, four times?

00:20:54.000 Never.

00:20:55.000 And those are drunks.

00:20:56.000 Right.

00:20:56.000 Yeah, but something like that's a good outlet for the kind of instincts that you're talking about, you know?

00:21:00.000 Gets it out of people's systems. 0.99

00:21:02.000 Like, I don't give a fuck if you want to voluntarily have a duel like it's the Old West. 0.99

00:21:06.000 You know, go out there and walk ten paces and turn around and shoot. 0.99

00:21:10.000 We've had presidents that have done that.

00:21:10.000 That's right.

00:21:11.000 We've had presidents that have drills while they're in office.

00:21:13.000 Yeah, Burr and Hamilton, right?

00:21:15.000 I think so.

00:21:17.000 Let me look that one up for you.

00:21:18.000 I'm pretty sure it is, though.

00:21:19.000 I believe it's them.

00:21:21.000 What's really crazy is how recent that was.

00:21:23.000 It was pretty...

00:21:25.000 Not that long ago when people are shitting in outhouses and wearing powered weights. 0.61

00:21:28.000 Trump and Biden are talking about beating each other up.

00:21:30.000 We could see it going back to that.

00:21:32.000 How long would that last?

00:21:33.000 12 seconds?

00:21:34.000 It would be amazing.

00:21:35.000 They both gas out.

00:21:36.000 The Burr-Hamilton duel.

00:21:38.000 Look at that.

00:21:39.000 Vice President versus Secretary of Treasury.

00:21:42.000 What?

00:21:43.000 Oh my god.

00:21:44.000 Early in the morning of July 11th, 1804. Wow.

00:21:47.000 That's like Mike Pence and Steve Mnuchin dueling today.

00:21:51.000 The culmination of a long and bitter rivalry between the two men.

00:21:55.000 Wow.

00:21:55.000 Burr shot Hamilton while Hamilton's shot broke a tree branch above and beyond Burr's head.

00:22:02.000 Hamilton was carried to the home of William Bayard Jr. Hamilton died at 2 o'clock the final afternoon.

00:22:10.000 Wow.

00:22:11.000 That's heavy.

00:22:14.000 That was back before you had people doing it, before you had the agencies and the underground people.

00:22:18.000 It was just muskets. 0.96

00:22:20.000 Yeah, just muskets and just dudes being dudes. 0.99

00:22:23.000 If they want to do it, isn't that the ultimate, like, you know, libertarian argument? 0.99

00:22:26.000 Like, go ahead, stop fucking bothering me. 0.96

00:22:28.000 I believe there's places in America, I think Arizona might be one of them, where you can still engage in a duel. 1.00

00:22:34.000 Because I believe I've read a story about a cop who had a duel with a guy who was fucking his wife. 1.00

00:22:41.000 Oh! 1.00

00:22:42.000 Yeah.

00:22:43.000 A duel.

00:22:45.000 A.K.A. Shot him in the back of the head or some shit. 1.00

00:22:47.000 That was why it was controversial. 0.99

00:22:49.000 But I think they had, you know, like some places have mutual combat laws.

00:22:52.000 Like Seattle has a mutual combat law where the cops will stand by.

00:22:56.000 Like if two guys want to fight.

00:22:58.000 Oh, is that why like the Proud Boys in Antifa, when they go at it in Seattle, the cops don't do anything?

00:23:02.000 I don't know.

00:23:03.000 Okay.

00:23:03.000 That's kind of interesting.

00:23:04.000 I think they're just overwhelmed.

00:23:05.000 I get it, yeah.

00:23:06.000 But I think in Seattle in particular...

00:23:08.000 Two people want to fight, you can stand by.

00:23:10.000 Yeah, there was a guy named Phoenix Jones. 1.00

00:23:12.000 He was a fucking... 0.99

00:23:14.000 I forget his name, but he called himself Phoenix Jones. 0.99

00:23:18.000 But he was an actual MMA fighter who would go around...

00:23:21.000 And his brother was a fairly successful MMA fighter.

00:23:25.000 And he would go around wearing a superhero costume...

00:23:28.000 And yeah, and literally fight crime.

00:23:31.000 Like if you would see people doing things, you would stop people.

00:23:34.000 And there's a video of him with his superhero costume beating the shit out of somebody because some guy decided to fight with him and the cops were literally standing there while this one guy's bouncing on the tips of his toes, on the balls of his feet rather, moving, leg kicks the guy, leg kicks the guy again. 0.99

00:23:50.000 You're like, oh my god, like this poor bastard. 0.97

00:23:52.000 Some poor drunk is just getting lit up by a guy who's a trained MMA fighter with a superhero costume. 0.99

00:23:58.000 At what point do they step in?

00:24:00.000 I mean, they'd have to step in at a certain point. 0.97

00:24:02.000 He's about to beat them to death, probably. 0.99

00:24:03.000 Right. 0.99

00:24:04.000 But the problem is, on the concrete, any punch could result in your death.

00:24:08.000 Right.

00:24:08.000 Because if you fall and bounce your head off the thing, you could easily die.

00:24:11.000 Could be over.

00:24:11.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:24:13.000 By the way, I almost did that today.

00:24:14.000 You almost fell?

00:24:15.000 I did fall, but I almost hit my head.

00:24:17.000 I'm lucky I didn't.

00:24:18.000 What happened? 1.00

00:24:19.000 I was on one of those stupid Uber scooter things. 1.00

00:24:21.000 Oh, no. 1.00

00:24:22.000 Yeah, it was bad.

00:24:23.000 Oh, no. 0.96

00:24:23.000 And then as I was falling, I was like, I'm fucking 32 years old. 0.96

00:24:26.000 What am I even doing here? 0.91

00:24:28.000 Well, not only that, you're about to do the most important podcast of your life.

00:24:31.000 This is when Trump wins his re-election.

00:24:33.000 People would have enjoyed it if they saw Giant Scars.

00:24:35.000 I actually got one here.

00:24:35.000 Kyle was telling me how Trump's not going to win, and it sounded kind of persuasive.

00:24:41.000 Okay, give me the rundown.

00:24:42.000 Right, because it's not me.

00:24:43.000 I'm just relaying the information.

00:24:45.000 It's okay.

00:24:45.000 I know you hate him.

00:24:46.000 Just head. 0.58

00:24:47.000 I do, but I hate Biden, too.

00:24:48.000 Jamie, I DM'd you this if you want to pull it up, but the first thing here is, this is basically every single presidential election and where the polls were going into that day.

00:25:00.000 And basically, the Hillary Clinton-Donald Trump election was the only election where somebody had a four-point lead, as Hillary had, and then she lost the Electoral College.

00:25:08.000 She won the popular vote, but she lost the Electoral College.

00:25:11.000 Wasn't that the case with Gore as well?

00:25:13.000 With Gore, well, Bush was up versus Gore 3.6 percentage points nationally.

00:25:19.000 Didn't Gore win the popular vote?

00:25:22.000 He did end up winning it by a razor-thin margin, but the point is the polling going into that day was Bush up 3.6.

00:25:28.000 Look at this.

00:25:29.000 2020, Biden up 8.6.

00:25:31.000 Wow, that's high.

00:25:33.000 And then Clinton, 3.9.

00:25:35.000 Obama, 0.3.

00:25:36.000 In 2012, Obama, 6.7.

00:25:38.000 What?

00:25:39.000 2012, he was only up 0.3?

00:25:41.000 He ended up winning the Electoral College with, I want to say, about 330 electoral votes.

00:25:45.000 But yeah, he was up.

00:25:46.000 Nationally, he was only up 0.3.

00:25:48.000 Why was he so low?

00:25:49.000 That was against Mitt Romney?

00:25:50.000 That was against Mitt Romney, yeah.

00:25:52.000 I have no idea.

00:25:52.000 I thought he cruised through that.

00:25:54.000 Well, he did in terms of the Electoral College numbers, but nationally, it was a very even race, which is why they treated it as such throughout the election.

00:26:01.000 But that's the polling.

00:26:02.000 Right, that's the national polling.

00:26:04.000 But that's so low!

00:26:06.000 Yeah, that one is a little bit surprising.

00:26:07.000 I would have guessed he would have had a five-point lead or something like that.

00:26:10.000 But anyway, as you can see here, like, we have to go back to what?

00:26:13.000 Clinton in 96, when he absolutely landslided, I think it was Dole, in 96. And you gotta go back to Reagan in 1984, plus 17.7.

00:26:21.000 And I guess H.W. Bush as well, plus 10.1.

00:26:24.000 Like, basically...

00:26:26.000 Yes, the national number is not the most important because the Electoral College is what matters.

00:26:30.000 But Biden has never been down in the national number at any point throughout the race.

00:26:36.000 And then when you go to the swing states, Trump's path is just so razor thin where he can't have anything go wrong for him.

00:26:43.000 So he needs to win Florida.

00:26:45.000 He has to win Florida or he's done.

00:26:47.000 If he loses Florida, it's over tonight.

00:26:49.000 Isn't Florida filled with old people, though? 1.00

00:26:51.000 Yes, but Biden now is winning with old people.

00:26:54.000 I was in Florida, and I'm telling you right now, they love Trump in Florida.

00:26:58.000 There's a lot of signs, there's a lot of enthusiasm.

00:27:01.000 And it is a legit swing state.

00:27:03.000 I think the average is Biden's only up like two points there for the race, but it is a genuine swing state.

00:27:09.000 But he's winning now with old people, Biden is. 1.00

00:27:11.000 He's winning with that demographic.

00:27:13.000 Because of the way Trump handled COVID? Probably because of COVID, that's right.

00:27:16.000 So they're scared.

00:27:17.000 I don't know what their reasoning is, but I just know that that's what the numbers are showing right now.

00:27:20.000 What could have been done differently?

00:27:23.000 Well, we've actually talked about this quite a bit.

00:27:25.000 Listen, I'm not a doctor.

00:27:26.000 I'm not an expert. 1.00

00:27:27.000 I'm just an idiot. 1.00

00:27:30.000 I'll go get my medical degree. 1.00

00:27:32.000 You got our food?

00:27:33.000 Do you want to bring it in here? 1.00

00:27:34.000 Yeah, motherfucker. 1.00

00:27:36.000 I see you over there eating. 1.00

00:27:38.000 You're out of your mind.

00:27:39.000 I saw you pull those bags.

00:27:40.000 We ordered McDonald's in tribute to Donald Trump.

00:27:43.000 This is his last election.

00:27:45.000 Honestly, this is in tribute to me, because I eat McDonald's probably more than anybody on the planet.

00:27:48.000 Whether he wins or loses, he's done a lot of great things to unite the country.

00:27:53.000 Whoa.

00:27:54.000 I mean, I think that we all have to remember that.

00:27:56.000 This is going to be quoted on someone's blog tomorrow.

00:27:59.000 The same people that have called you a far-right conspiracy theorist.

00:28:03.000 I can't believe it.

00:28:05.000 Who called you that?

00:28:06.000 I don't know.

00:28:06.000 The tech blog.

00:28:07.000 A lot of people with pink hair and, you know.

00:28:10.000 People that are angry.

00:28:11.000 Yeah, the same people that were saying that we had an anti-vax message in the Alex Jones podcast.

00:28:17.000 Listen, you guys were really trying to fact check everything.

00:28:19.000 That was pretty clear to me.

00:28:20.000 Well, not only that, the thing that he said was absolutely true.

00:28:23.000 The thing he said about the one vaccine that Bill Gates is promoting that has 80% of the people that took it got sick.

00:28:30.000 Yeah, but is he against all vaccines?

00:28:33.000 No.

00:28:33.000 No, he's not.

00:28:35.000 The thing is, look, Alex Jones is fucked up, right? 0.99

00:28:39.000 He really fucked up with the Sandy Hook thing. 1.00

00:28:42.000 Really fucked up. 1.00

00:28:43.000 He's had some mental health issues, he's had some substance issues, particularly with booze, and he also is constantly around conspiracies. 1.00

00:28:52.000 And I think you get legitimately psychotic when you delve down those roads. 1.00

00:28:57.000 I think you lose your fucking mind. 1.00

00:28:58.000 It's a tough... 1.00

00:28:59.000 And he lost his fucking mind. 1.00

00:29:01.000 He lost his fucking mind on more than one occasion. 1.00

00:29:03.000 He has. 1.00

00:29:04.000 And he knows he's made mistakes.

00:29:06.000 Is your mic on?

00:29:08.000 Jamie, I think your mic's on.

00:29:09.000 It's very loud over there.

00:29:10.000 He knows he's made mistakes.

00:29:12.000 He said on the show that he wants to correct his mistakes.

00:29:15.000 But the thing is, he also gives out a lot of real information.

00:29:20.000 I had three...

00:29:22.000 Yeah, is there a third one in there?

00:29:23.000 What'd you get?

00:29:24.000 I didn't get anything.

00:29:25.000 You didn't get anything?

00:29:26.000 I had nachos right before I came in here.

00:29:27.000 What?

00:29:27.000 I thought this was for you?

00:29:28.000 No, it was for you.

00:29:29.000 Yeah, two Filet-O-Fish for me.

00:29:31.000 Thank you.

00:29:32.000 It's the first time in my life I've ever passed on McDonald's, for the record.

00:29:36.000 Outrageous.

00:29:37.000 You got a Filet-O-Fish?

00:29:38.000 Three of them.

00:29:38.000 Yeah, they're great.

00:29:39.000 You're the only person who gets the Filet-O-Fish.

00:29:42.000 They're massively popular.

00:29:44.000 What?

00:29:44.000 I've never seen anybody eat one.

00:29:46.000 First of all, black people love them.

00:29:47.000 They call them the McFish. 0.89

00:29:49.000 That's true.

00:29:50.000 It's not racist.

00:29:51.000 That's a fact.

00:29:53.000 I've heard a lot of black people say, can I have a McFish?

00:29:54.000 I think it's great.

00:29:55.000 It seems racist, but I don't think it is.

00:29:57.000 It is.

00:29:58.000 It's right on the edge.

00:30:00.000 It's right on the edge.

00:30:01.000 That might be the last thing on the menu I would get, is a Filet-O-Fish.

00:30:04.000 It's great.

00:30:05.000 They're very good.

00:30:05.000 They're so good.

00:30:06.000 They steamed the bun.

00:30:07.000 No, I prefer chicken or beef, like a real man. 1.00

00:30:11.000 Well, I apologize.

00:30:12.000 The McDonald's Steakhouse.

00:30:15.000 So you're saying that if everything's equal, and Trump wins everything he won in 2016, he still has a very narrow path to victory.

00:30:25.000 No, so the point that I was making, and I'll explain it for people who didn't get the gist of it, but basically, if you take the polls in 2016 and do the same sort of pro-Trump swing that happened on Election Day, They've done that, and when you calculate those numbers, it's still Biden with 335 electoral votes.

00:30:44.000 So even if you have that same pro-Trump swing, it's still Biden winning by a fairly safe margin.

00:30:49.000 Now, to get to your point about does he have a path?

00:30:52.000 Yes, Trump has a path for sure, but it's basically one path, and he can't afford any mess-ups along the way.

00:30:57.000 So he has to win Florida, he has to win Pennsylvania, he has to win Arizona.

00:31:04.000 He has to win Ohio.

00:31:06.000 Ohio and Iowa are the only two swing states where he's actually up in the average of the polling.

00:31:10.000 All the other ones, he's down.

00:31:12.000 And there's also another crazy thing going on, and I struggle to believe this as well.

00:31:16.000 I think Trump is probably going to win Texas, but the polling right there now is they're actually dead-tied.

00:31:21.000 Biden and Trump are dead-tied in Texas.

00:31:23.000 That is the craziest thing.

00:31:25.000 Doesn't that skew bias towards Democrats because they're traditionally...

00:31:31.000 Yeah, so that was another point that I was going to get to.

00:31:34.000 When the votes roll in, everybody's going to freak out at every single thing that they see, but there are some states that count the mail-ins first, and when they count the mail-ins first, it's going to look like Biden's winning in a landslide.

00:31:46.000 And then there's other states that do the opposite, which is they count the on-the-day...

00:31:50.000 Votes first.

00:31:51.000 And the states that do that, it's going to look like Trump is winning in a landslide.

00:31:53.000 So basically, everybody has to relax until you actually get, you know, to a very high percentage of the votes counted before you really know what's going on.

00:32:01.000 Because there's going to be big swings throughout the night.

00:32:04.000 In virtually every state.

00:32:05.000 But I actually have the specific states if you're interested in knowing which states are going to swing like that.

00:32:08.000 Well, let's find out where we're at right now.

00:32:11.000 Is there anything, Jamie, that shows us where we're at right now?

00:32:14.000 Here we go.

00:32:15.000 Look at that.

00:32:15.000 Florida looks like Trump.

00:32:17.000 Alabama, Trump.

00:32:18.000 Mississippi, Trump.

00:32:19.000 It's Trump.

00:32:20.000 Trump won.

00:32:20.000 Okay, so here, right now...

00:32:21.000 Trump is the president.

00:32:22.000 It's over.

00:32:23.000 He won again.

00:32:24.000 Texas is blue.

00:32:27.000 Again, okay, that's because they're counting the mail-ins first, and the mail-ins are heavily Biden.

00:32:31.000 See, that's what I'm saying.

00:32:32.000 It's a little misleading to watch it second by second, because it's going to be skewed based on which votes they're counting.

00:32:39.000 You see what I'm saying?

00:32:39.000 What's the chance we don't have an answer tonight?

00:32:42.000 100%.

00:32:43.000 Probably 50 or 60% chance we don't have an answer tonight.

00:32:46.000 What's the chance that people handle that maturely and don't burn things down and throw bricks through windows?

00:32:51.000 Negative 14,000%.

00:32:52.000 Right.

00:32:53.000 Look, so far it's 85-55.

00:32:56.000 Joe Biden's winning.

00:32:58.000 So, there's a few surprises up there, by the way.

00:33:00.000 Obviously, Texas is a surprise, but even Ohio.

00:33:02.000 Trump was up in Ohio in the average of polls, and that's looking blue.

00:33:05.000 But again, I don't want to get ahead of myself, because I just told you guys, don't pay attention until the number gets up a lot more.

00:33:12.000 Yeah, 60-40.

00:33:13.000 No, see, that's going to swing back to Trump, though, as time goes by, because there's no way Ohio's going to finish on that number.

00:33:18.000 No way.

00:33:20.000 Not a chance in hell.

00:33:21.000 Only 32% reporting.

00:33:22.000 That means they're counting the mail-ins.

00:33:23.000 That's what that tells me.

00:33:26.000 And all the other states are just in play?

00:33:29.000 So as time goes by, the polls close at different times, and so I can tell you the order that everything closes here.

00:33:36.000 We're supposed to get...

00:33:37.000 7 o'clock we had Vermont, Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, Indiana, and Kentucky.

00:33:42.000 Georgia's the only one of those that's really a swing state.

00:33:45.000 7.30, we have North Carolina, Ohio, and West Virginia.

00:33:49.000 North Carolina and Ohio are both swing states.

00:33:52.000 Then at 8 o'clock we get clonked over the head.

00:33:54.000 So we just got clonked over the head here.

00:33:55.000 We have Washington, D.C., Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Illinois, New Jersey, Maine's 1st District, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Florida, Maine's 2nd District, Mississippi, Missouri, Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma.

00:34:08.000 Only one, two, three of those are swing states.

00:34:10.000 We really have Pennsylvania, Florida, and Maine's 2nd District.

00:34:14.000 And then 9 o'clock we get New York and a bunch of others as well.

00:34:17.000 I've never felt a time...

00:34:19.000 Where the country was more on edge during an election.

00:34:22.000 Because there's never been a time where it's been this bad.

00:34:23.000 No way.

00:34:24.000 Ever.

00:34:24.000 No way.

00:34:25.000 They came up with a thing.

00:34:26.000 They said there's like a political...

00:34:27.000 I forget what it is, but there's some indicator of political tension.

00:34:30.000 They said it's higher now than the Civil War.

00:34:33.000 I don't know about that one.

00:34:34.000 People are shooting each other in the face.

00:34:37.000 Well, listen, they were very polite and genteel.

00:34:40.000 That is true.

00:34:41.000 And they wore powdered wigs.

00:34:42.000 That could happen with us, though.

00:34:44.000 You know, I think, honestly, Joe, I think that we just have too many good distractions to ever be in a civil war. 0.93

00:34:49.000 Like, people might think, like, oh, let's go do it, and then they go, you know, Netflix has some new shit out, and I'd rather just watch that. 0.86

00:34:56.000 You know what I mean? 0.90

00:34:57.000 We can fight, and there will be civil unrest like we've been seeing, but I don't think it would ever get to the point of a real civil war.

00:35:05.000 So what happened with that Kyle Rittenhouse kid?

00:35:08.000 The judge didn't press charges, but then they extradited him to Kenosha, right?

00:35:14.000 Right.

00:35:15.000 So what happened there?

00:35:16.000 I don't know, I watched the tape, and clearly he went to, him and his parents went to the protest, right, heavily armed, right, which is not, that's a choice that the family makes, right?

00:35:27.000 I mean, that's a certain type of family that goes heavily armed to a protest.

00:35:33.000 We didn't do that when I was growing up.

00:35:36.000 And then it was a skirmish, but if you watch the video, and people got mad at me on Twitter because I said that, I think if you watch the video, you do see people chasing him.

00:35:43.000 And then he shoots them, which again, this is all so good.

00:35:46.000 He's in court now, right?

00:35:47.000 Isn't he?

00:35:48.000 Bail for Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:35:49.000 But something happened where the judge said he wasn't going to prosecute him.

00:35:53.000 That's why I was confused.

00:35:54.000 I thought he was being released.

00:35:56.000 Because I had read another ruling where the judge wasn't going to press charges.

00:36:01.000 And a bunch of YouTube people were making these videos about it.

00:36:03.000 Like, Kyle Rittenhouse, they're going to free him.

00:36:05.000 And then all of a sudden, he's now got $2 million bail.

00:36:09.000 I saw on Twitter that somebody tweeted, it was a sign that said, Kyle's life matters.

00:36:16.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:36:17.000 Yeah, and I thought, that should be about me.

00:36:21.000 And not him.

00:36:22.000 It should be Kyle Dunnigan.

00:36:24.000 Keep up that Instagram page.

00:36:26.000 The thing is, he's not even supposed to be open carrying.

00:36:30.000 So him carrying a gun was illegal.

00:36:32.000 It was not good.

00:36:33.000 This is probably what you read.

00:36:34.000 What's that, Jamie?

00:36:35.000 This is probably what you read from the other day.

00:36:38.000 Well, that says he's extradited to face homicide charges.

00:36:40.000 Listen, the kid's got horrible parents.

00:36:43.000 It's probably a very bad family.

00:36:45.000 Not that this excuses the behavior.

00:36:47.000 I think the family drove him to the protest, right?

00:36:51.000 Jesus Christ, really?

00:36:53.000 I believe so.

00:36:54.000 Yeah, it's like the mom and the dad.

00:36:55.000 I mean, this is not a good group.

00:36:57.000 No, there was something else, Jamie.

00:36:58.000 This is not it.

00:36:59.000 There was something else where they were not pressing charges.

00:37:03.000 I guess somebody else did.

00:37:04.000 Yeah, probably Illinois was not pressing charges so that Wisconsin could.

00:37:08.000 But it was in Kenosha, right?

00:37:10.000 The actual shooting was in Kenosha, wasn't it?

00:37:16.000 Yeah, but he's from Illinois, I believe.

00:37:18.000 I think that sounds right.

00:37:19.000 I think that's what it was.

00:37:21.000 That Illinois wasn't going to charge him, but Kenosha did?

00:37:25.000 Yeah, he probably went home.

00:37:26.000 Yeah, he had been being held in Illinois.

00:37:27.000 He went home and got arrested.

00:37:29.000 Remember, they didn't arrest him right away.

00:37:31.000 Yeah, they took a trip to the protests.

00:37:33.000 So he's not from the area they were having the protests.

00:37:35.000 Which is even more weird.

00:37:36.000 It's crazy.

00:37:36.000 A lot of people are all about this, man.

00:37:38.000 A lot of people love this, you know...

00:37:40.000 Tactical life.

00:37:41.000 Yeah, kind of lifestyle where they're just kind of searching for stuff to do.

00:37:44.000 What do you attribute that to?

00:37:46.000 Like the rise in violence and the rise of people kind of...

00:37:49.000 Is that it?

00:37:50.000 What do you think it is?

00:37:51.000 No, I'm not playing.

00:37:52.000 I'm just kidding. 0.94

00:37:52.000 I think, honestly, man, and some people might come after me for this, but I really believe that over the years, the evidence would show that when people feel like there's zero hope for a brighter future, and they're perpetually shit on by a system that doesn't give a fuck about them, that, yeah, usually you turn to more extreme ideologies across the political spectrum. 0.94

00:38:15.000 Right, it makes a lot of sense.

00:38:17.000 I mean, I wouldn't say that's...

00:38:18.000 You really think that that's why he showed up at that protest with a gun? 0.86

00:38:21.000 No, because I was just gonna say, you have to look at everything on a case-by-case basis, and there are gonna be many individual instances where somebody does something fucked up because of, say, mental illness, or somebody does something fucked up because they were brainwashed into some sort of fundamentalist cult from when they were a kid. 0.84

00:38:36.000 But I think the broader societal trends where... 0.50

00:38:40.000 These things kind of catch on and more and more people are willing to be involved in some sort of violence.

00:38:46.000 I think you have to have an unhealthy society in the first place to have that flourish.

00:38:51.000 You see what I'm saying?

00:38:52.000 Yeah, I do see what you're saying.

00:38:53.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:38:55.000 I mean, listen... 0.88

00:38:56.000 This is probably the classic example, but you couldn't have had Hitler rise to power without the Treaty of Versailles, which fucked Germany after World War I. And so you had this whole generation of Germans who were like, we've been fucking shit on and left behind and, you know, what are we supposed to do? 0.98

00:39:13.000 We feel like there's no way out. 0.99

00:39:14.000 And then you have this charismatic guy come up and say, hey, it's not your fault. 0.88

00:39:16.000 Blame the Jews. 0.99

00:39:17.000 No, yeah, it is them. 0.96

00:39:19.000 So, this is what happens.

00:39:20.000 I mean, and I really fear that stuff is going to get worse in this country because the economic situation is just abysmal.

00:39:27.000 I mean, you talk about this all the time on your show, but when you shut down the economy, basically, because of the virus, you can't shut down the economy and then not give people a lifeline monetarily. 0.99

00:39:38.000 Because then they can't pay the fucking bills. 0.98

00:39:40.000 This isn't rocket science, you know? 0.99

00:39:42.000 And a lot of other countries, Joe, what they did is they did like this wage replacement thing where they temporarily nationalized wages.

00:39:49.000 So in other words, if the government told you, hey, you can't work because of COVID, they would then say, and that's why we're going to pay 75% of your wage until COVID is over.

00:39:57.000 Could they have done that in this country?

00:39:59.000 Oh, we absolutely could have done it.

00:40:00.000 We chose not to do it.

00:40:01.000 In fact, what we did is probably the worst of all worlds, which is we took trillions of dollars and threw them at the corporations and said, here, we're giving you a bailout.

00:40:08.000 And then the corporations turned around and fired people anyway.

00:40:11.000 Yeah, in the beginning of COVID, like Trump, they would have like these press conferences and they would be like the CEO of Buffalo Wild Wings.

00:40:18.000 I'm like, let's bring out the CEO of Buffalo Wild Wings.

00:40:23.000 And the guy's like, hey, we're just committed to helping.

00:40:25.000 We're taking some of our napkins and making face masks.

00:40:29.000 It was just a crazy group of people that came out.

00:40:32.000 Like the guy who ran Red Lobster was like, we're also getting involved in the fight.

00:40:37.000 It was absurd.

00:40:39.000 It's always corporate.

00:40:40.000 It's always corporate.

00:40:41.000 It's like, listen, let's let Dave and Buster's make ventilators and fix it.

00:40:46.000 The idea that they would give those people that money and not have a clause in there where you can't fire people is amazing.

00:40:52.000 That's right.

00:40:53.000 I mean, and again, this also happened in the Wall Street bailout.

00:40:55.000 Back, you know, under Bush and under Obama.

00:40:57.000 They always do the same thing.

00:40:59.000 They bail them out and they have no strings attached and then what happens is, you know, these executives paid bonuses to the same people who crashed the company And, you know, there's no accountability.

00:41:10.000 Those people fail up all the time.

00:41:12.000 They fail up.

00:41:13.000 Oh, I bankrupted my company.

00:41:14.000 But it's okay.

00:41:15.000 The government gave me, you know, billion dollars because Goldman Sachs basically owns the government.

00:41:20.000 You know, and that's how it works, and it's incredibly corrupt.

00:41:22.000 And that's why when something bad happens and the people need a bailout, they never get a bailout.

00:41:26.000 What did people get?

00:41:27.000 A one-time $1,200 stimulus check.

00:41:29.000 Which is amazing.

00:41:30.000 And we thought at least it was going to come more frequently and never came again.

00:41:33.000 Never came again.

00:41:34.000 One check in eight months.

00:41:36.000 It's kind of insane.

00:41:38.000 People don't have money to stay afloat.

00:41:40.000 There are people that have been trying to get unemployment for like six months.

00:41:43.000 That's right. 0.99

00:41:43.000 They can't even get unemployment because these fucking state... 0.99

00:41:46.000 I mean, it's crazy. 0.97

00:41:47.000 And all the protection for people getting evicted is soon going to expire. 0.70

00:41:53.000 That's right, and so we're about to, you know, I saw a tweet about this earlier from the guy at the Washington Post, one of the only good people at the Washington Post, and he was basically listing it, and he's like, here are the things that expire, you know, in the upcoming however many months, and people are screwed, man. 0.96

00:42:06.000 They're screwed. 0.89

00:42:07.000 I don't know how they're going to pay bills. 0.99

00:42:07.000 We're already seeing polls where, like, 30% of people say, I can't make rent. 0.99

00:42:12.000 So what could they have?

00:42:13.000 Have those people tried hustling and grinding?

00:42:16.000 OnlyFans is seeing a big explosion.

00:42:19.000 I think Gary Vee would basically tell them that they should just invest in themselves.

00:42:23.000 Hashtag keep going.

00:42:24.000 Keep going.

00:42:25.000 Just never give up.

00:42:26.000 You just never give up and just hustle and grind.

00:42:29.000 Hashtag hustle.

00:42:29.000 And just, you know, just do it.

00:42:32.000 So what country handled it well?

00:42:35.000 So, the example that we've spoken about this before, but I liked, early on I liked what Japan did, because Japan did, like, limited shutdowns.

00:42:43.000 They did some shutdowns, because some things there's no escaping it.

00:42:45.000 It makes sense to shut them down just because of the nature of what they are, like bars, everybody's breathing on each other two feet away or whatever.

00:42:50.000 So they did limited shutdowns, but basically the only thing they did is they had a universal mask policy. 1.00

00:42:55.000 And culturally, it's viewed like you're the biggest asshole on the planet if you're not wearing a fucking mask in a place where you should be wearing a mask. 0.97

00:43:00.000 And then they only had a thousand COVID cases when we had like 80,000, 90,000, 100,000 and rising steadily. 1.00

00:43:05.000 So that's one way we could have done it.

00:43:07.000 Or the other way you could have done it is you could have copied any of the European nations that when they shut down, they did, hey, we'll pay you 75% of your wages until this thing is over.

00:43:16.000 France was one that did that, where they shut it down and paid people, I think it was 75% of their wages.

00:43:20.000 But I think the UK did that too for a little bit.

00:43:22.000 It may have been 80% of their wages.

00:43:24.000 Isn't this a thing where, unfortunately, a lot of those other countries, they're more of a monolith, and it's easier.

00:43:37.000 There's not this idea of...

00:43:39.000 You know, freedom and doing your own thing and owning your own business.

00:43:45.000 Like, a lot of those countries are, by their nature, the populace is just more submissive.

00:43:50.000 There's definitely cultural differences.

00:43:53.000 Right. 0.99

00:43:57.000 The government is scared of the people because they're like, you better fucking do shit that's gonna help us or else why are you even in power? 0.99

00:44:02.000 Whereas here, I feel like we're more like, okay, just government, don't fuck this up too much. 0.99

00:44:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:44:08.000 Right.

00:44:08.000 So, but again, there were multiple ways to address this.

00:44:12.000 And if you go the way Japan went, you could have kept a lot more stuff open and just had everybody wear masks. 0.66

00:44:18.000 Was anybody in government calling for more stimulus checks?

00:44:23.000 Was anybody in government calling for more relief?

00:44:25.000 Was anybody in government calling, like anybody on the left, calling for these checks to be distributed?

00:44:30.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:44:31.000 Who was calling for this?

00:44:32.000 Bernie Sanders was calling for it.

00:44:34.000 The Squad, who's always made fun of, they were calling for it.

00:44:36.000 They happened to be right on this economic stuff.

00:44:38.000 Not only were people calling for a show, I believe one of these things passed.

00:44:41.000 I think it's called the Heroes Act.

00:44:43.000 And there were provisions where they gave people more of a recurring stimulus check.

00:44:47.000 This wasn't a wage replacement, I should be clear.

00:44:49.000 We're not talking about nationalizing wages like they did over there.

00:44:51.000 But you can do a similar version of that by just doing a universal basic income.

00:44:55.000 You know, that's Andrew Yang's idea.

00:44:57.000 That's something that he's really popularized.

00:44:58.000 There's other ways to go about it.

00:44:59.000 Recurring stimulus checks.

00:45:01.000 Well, on the third night of quarantine, Nancy Pelosi was giving a tour of her...

00:45:04.000 Listen, she's the worst. 0.94

00:45:06.000 And she was showing the different gelatos that she had in her freezer.

00:45:09.000 This is right after 30 million people were instantly made unemployed.

00:45:12.000 And Nancy Pelosi was like, get going.

00:45:14.000 We like the chocolate.

00:45:15.000 And then we like this.

00:45:17.000 And it was like the craziest thing I've ever seen.

00:45:19.000 And that's the party that's supposed to care. 0.63

00:45:22.000 She's done so many things like that.

00:45:24.000 Yeah, so many.

00:45:25.000 She lied about telling people, like when the pandemic was first starting, she's telling people, please go out, go to Chinatown. 0.98

00:45:33.000 People were acting like total idiots and they weren't listening to the real experts early on and everything was incredibly politicized. 0.98

00:45:40.000 But to answer your question though, from before, Trump and Mnuchin were calling for it too, Joe. 1.00

00:45:46.000 They also wanted stimulus checks.

00:45:48.000 The people who didn't want stimulus checks?

00:45:50.000 Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell.

00:45:52.000 But Trump and Mnuchin, the Treasury Secretary, wanted stimulus checks because, listen, Trump knew, hey, you know, I'm kind of struggling in the polls here.

00:46:00.000 I want to throw a Hail Mary pass.

00:46:02.000 One of the ways to get people to like you, you know, three weeks before an election, cut him another stimulus check.

00:46:08.000 And he famously wanted his name on the checks.

00:46:10.000 He said, put my name on the check so that when people cash it, they know that it's for me, and then they're more likely to vote for me.

00:46:15.000 And what got in his way was Nancy Pelosi, who wouldn't accept any deal, even if it was a good deal, and Mitch McConnell, who, even if Nancy Pelosi accepted the stimulus deal, Mitch McConnell would have blocked it anyway. 0.98

00:46:26.000 So those are the real ghouls, because Trump wanted stimulus checks, Mnuchin wanted stimulus checks, and this is to their credit.

00:46:32.000 Do they ever leave?

00:46:33.000 She's a hundred... 1.00

00:46:35.000 I mean, does she ever go away?

00:46:37.000 I know.

00:46:38.000 She's spooky. 0.99

00:46:38.000 When she went to that fucking beauty salon and had no mask on and then was talking about it, they should apologize. 0.99

00:46:44.000 They set me up. 1.00

00:46:46.000 Like, you know, I've said this before.

00:46:47.000 I'll say it again.

00:46:48.000 I don't even have hair.

00:46:49.000 And I knew that beauty salons were closed.

00:46:50.000 Right.

00:46:51.000 Everyone knew.

00:46:51.000 You know, that lady is 150 years old.

00:46:54.000 She must get her hair dyed every 15 minutes. 1.00

00:46:56.000 Yeah, the greatest story about her was it was a bird that got into her Georgetown townhouse and she had to chase this big bird out of her.

00:47:02.000 I mean, she's just a real... 0.86

00:47:03.000 But the fact that she went to a place that was shut down and she wasn't even wearing a mask.

00:47:08.000 Right. 1.00

00:47:08.000 Like, they're just hypocrites. 1.00

00:47:11.000 They don't care. 1.00

00:47:12.000 Yeah.

00:47:12.000 They need new leadership.

00:47:14.000 You know what's been amazing?

00:47:15.000 Jimmy Dore. 0.99

00:47:16.000 Jimmy Dore's fucking podcaster. 1.00

00:47:18.000 He is... 1.00

00:47:18.000 He's a good friend of mine. 1.00

00:47:19.000 I love Jimmy Dore.

00:47:20.000 He's calling...

00:47:22.000 Everybody out.

00:47:22.000 Everybody on the left, everybody on the right.

00:47:24.000 That dude breathes fire.

00:47:25.000 He really does.

00:47:26.000 He breathes fire. 0.99

00:47:27.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

00:47:29.000 He goes hard. 1.00

00:47:29.000 He was doing this thing on Obama. 1.00

00:47:30.000 I forgot about this.

00:47:32.000 Where Obama went to Flint, Michigan and was drinking the water.

00:47:35.000 Was fake drinking.

00:47:36.000 He's like, can I get a sip of water?

00:47:37.000 Can I get a glass of water?

00:47:39.000 This is not a stunt.

00:47:40.000 I actually need a glass of water.

00:47:41.000 I'm actually thirsty.

00:47:42.000 Kids are getting poisoned as he's doing this.

00:47:44.000 Like this.

00:47:45.000 This is what he does.

00:47:49.000 It took a little poison.

00:47:50.000 That's kind of a fun bit, though.

00:47:52.000 This is not a stunt!

00:47:54.000 I mean, hey.

00:47:55.000 Could I get a glass of water?

00:47:57.000 We still don't have clean water in Flint, Michigan.

00:47:59.000 Why is that so hard to fix?

00:48:02.000 I think the reason why they didn't want to spend the extra money to get the proper pipes.

00:48:08.000 And so then when it got terrible and it was contaminated, they were like, whoopsie.

00:48:13.000 And then I don't know how at this late date they haven't fixed it yet.

00:48:17.000 That strikes me.

00:48:18.000 That was the Obama administration.

00:48:19.000 Happened under Obama.

00:48:21.000 Trump administration.

00:48:22.000 It hasn't been repaired.

00:48:23.000 Obama didn't do anything serious.

00:48:25.000 Trump didn't do anything serious.

00:48:26.000 That's people's lives.

00:48:27.000 People's lives, man.

00:48:28.000 Well, no, that is long-term repercussions, right?

00:48:31.000 So we're talking about people now, who knows what it's like 15 years from now, 20 years from now, growing up without water?

00:48:38.000 And listen, people...

00:48:39.000 This is the stuff that actually matters to people.

00:48:42.000 If you really...

00:48:43.000 If you want to be successful running for political office...

00:48:47.000 It's not that difficult.

00:48:48.000 It's the bread and butter issues.

00:48:49.000 It's the basics.

00:48:50.000 Wages.

00:48:51.000 Jobs.

00:48:52.000 You know, I don't want your water to be poisoned.

00:48:54.000 What stops them from fixing these things?

00:48:56.000 A lot of it's corruption.

00:48:57.000 A lot of it's the fact that these politicians take money from corporations and billionaires and then they turn around and they serve them and they don't do anything that their constituents want.

00:49:06.000 Because as a general rule, whatever the people want is opposed by the billionaire class.

00:49:10.000 The billionaire class just wants more tax cuts for themselves.

00:49:13.000 Regular people, if you look at the polls, they want, you know, a living wage, for example.

00:49:17.000 They want to end the wars.

00:49:18.000 They want to do an infrastructure deal and give people jobs.

00:49:21.000 Like, the things are very basic.

00:49:22.000 And actually, this gets back to what we were talking about earlier because Trump in 2016, he never got credit for running a superb campaign, because he really did.

00:49:32.000 When Hillary Clinton was not stepping foot in the Rust Belt to campaign, he was doing rallies there in the final weeks leading up to the election, where he would non-stop hammer on jobs, and he would say, you know, Hillary and Bill, they outsourced your job with NAFTA, they outsourced your job with Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China, I'm gonna bring your job back.

00:49:50.000 I'm the outsider.

00:49:51.000 She's the insider.

00:49:52.000 They sent your kids to go die in a war. 0.84

00:49:54.000 I want to get us out of the war. 0.93

00:49:56.000 And he just kept hammering her and hammering her and hammering her. 0.55

00:49:58.000 And the reason he won is because those states are the states that he picked off to win the Electoral College.

00:50:03.000 He won by something from like 70,000 to 110,000 votes.

00:50:06.000 And, in fact, I kind of want to show you this ad because it shows it perfectly.

00:50:11.000 Trump's closing ad in 2016. That's actually what it's called on YouTube, Jamie, if you want to pull that up.

00:50:16.000 Trump's closing argument ad or something like that.

00:50:19.000 The ad is phenomenal.

00:50:20.000 It's policy-based, it's substance-based, and he portrays himself as the outsider.

00:50:25.000 And then comparing how good his campaign was in 2016 versus how shitty it is this time around, I'm not surprised that Joe Biden, who barely has a functioning brain, is casually up by nine points, eight points, nine points, whatever it is.

00:50:41.000 But wouldn't you agree that it's not that Joe Biden's run a good campaign? 0.93

00:50:46.000 It's that people hate Trump.

00:50:47.000 That's exactly right.

00:50:48.000 That's exactly right.

00:50:49.000 But they didn't hate Trump 2016. Trump 2016 was a good politician.

00:50:54.000 The best thing that Biden did in this cycle is not really go out to deal with the public.

00:51:01.000 Hide. 0.99

00:51:02.000 Well, every time he did, he fucked up 50% of the time. 0.99

00:51:05.000 Exactly. 0.97

00:51:05.000 So if there's anything that they did good, it's keeping him away from the people. 0.97

00:51:11.000 Do you think, though, that if COVID didn't happen where the economy was before COVID... Trump was much more likely to win.

00:51:16.000 No, he was winning 100%.

00:51:17.000 Much more likely to win.

00:51:18.000 Absolutely.

00:51:19.000 Without COVID, Trump is...

00:51:21.000 I mean, he wins.

00:51:23.000 Do you buy the argument that Trump...

00:51:27.000 Is responsible for the economy's big boom, or do you think that he was riding off the wave of Obama, or do you think it's a combination of both things?

00:51:36.000 See, that's interesting, because I actually don't agree with either one of those.

00:51:39.000 I think the economy was always a house of cards.

00:51:41.000 I don't buy it when people say, oh, we have a low unemployment rate, and the stock market is doing well, so people are doing well.

00:51:46.000 No, even before COVID, 78% of the country was living paycheck to paycheck.

00:51:49.000 Like, it's a house of cards.

00:51:51.000 They use these indicators, which are not good economic indicators for regular people. 0.99

00:51:55.000 They're good economic indicators for the top 10% that have fucking stocks. 0.98

00:51:58.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

00:51:59.000 And, by the way, it's the gig economy, right?

00:52:01.000 It's not that people were necessarily unemployed, but people were underemployed. 0.84

00:52:05.000 They would have these fucking degrees from colleges, and then they'd have to go take a job where they're basically making minimum wage. 0.99

00:52:11.000 Working as an independent contractor, not an employee. 0.98

00:52:14.000 So, like, the economy was always a house of cards, and I never bought the argument. 1.00

00:52:18.000 And by the way, not a hypocrite on this, because when Obama was acting like his economy was good, I was like, your economy's fucking shit. 1.00

00:52:24.000 It's got the same problem as it was under Trump. 1.00

00:52:26.000 These are not good economic indicators.

00:52:28.000 I care about wages, for example.

00:52:30.000 Rates of unionization usually go right along with the health of the middle class.

00:52:34.000 Back when we had strong unions in this country, we had one of the healthiest middle classes in the world.

00:52:39.000 What killed that off?

00:52:39.000 NAFTA? No, NAFTA had a lot to do with the outsourcing of jobs.

00:52:44.000 Actually, permanent normal trade relations with China was worse on that front.

00:52:47.000 There was more outsourced under that than under NAFTA. But we did lose a lot of jobs in the auto industry.

00:52:55.000 We lost a lot of jobs.

00:52:56.000 That was because, again, that was because of corruption.

00:52:59.000 That's because the people who were the executives at these companies, they pay the politicians to run their campaigns, and then they would go to the politicians and say, Hey, I financed your last campaign.

00:53:09.000 I need you to do me a favor.

00:53:10.000 I want to make my product a lot cheaper, so I'd like to ship it to some Chinese factory where we have a 14-year-old working for me, as opposed to paying an American worker a living wage with good benefits.

00:53:22.000 So it all comes down to money.

00:53:24.000 It all comes down to, you know, corruption. 0.89

00:53:26.000 That really does show what hypocrites we are, because all these people who are progressive, they all have iPhones in their pockets. 0.82

00:53:32.000 Yes, that's right. 0.99

00:53:33.000 And you're right, we're all hypocrites. 1.00

00:53:34.000 All of us are hypocrites. 0.99

00:53:35.000 Unless you're buying some phone that... 0.98

00:53:38.000 What is the most...

00:53:40.000 We've talked about this before, Jamie, but I don't remember anything.

00:53:43.000 What is the most ethical phone you can buy?

00:53:47.000 Was it the Fairphone?

00:53:48.000 Remember?

00:53:49.000 Right.

00:53:50.000 I think I learned that from you.

00:53:51.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:53:52.000 That's right.

00:53:53.000 That's what it is.

00:53:54.000 And even that, like, where are the minerals coming from?

00:53:57.000 You follow the chain of parts, and there's a slave with a stick.

00:54:00.000 There's a slave somewhere.

00:54:01.000 What do you do, though?

00:54:03.000 I mean, that's the problem.

00:54:04.000 We're all complicit in these things.

00:54:06.000 What do you do?

00:54:07.000 I mean, we could do what we can control, and I did think, you know, A lot of Trump's rhetoric in 2016 on trade, I think he was correct.

00:54:16.000 Are they really slaves in the China?

00:54:21.000 Slaves in the China?

00:54:22.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:23.000 Are they really slaves?

00:54:25.000 Foxconn, whatever it's called.

00:54:25.000 They don't enjoy it at all?

00:54:27.000 Do they not enjoy it at all?

00:54:29.000 They make this beautiful.

00:54:31.000 There was actually an expose recently written by a guy who posed as a guy of Chinese descent, but I believe he's American, and he worked in a factory making iPhones and doing one thing 12 hours a day, and he wrote a story about it, like how inhumane the conditions are there.

00:54:52.000 You try to get it in people's heads, like this is what you're supporting when you buy a phone.

00:54:56.000 What's really kind of crazy is that Apple, with all their money, right?

00:55:00.000 They're my favorite phone company, right?

00:55:02.000 They're my favorite phone company because they don't sell your information like Google does.

00:55:08.000 Right, yeah, they care about privacy.

00:55:10.000 Even with Apple Maps, they're not constantly collecting data and then just selling it to all these companies.

00:55:18.000 Even them, they don't see this massive problem and they don't do anything about it.

00:55:25.000 They just keep going down the same road because it's been effective and because economically they have an obligation to their shareholders and this is the most profitable way to do it.

00:55:36.000 So they keep doing it that way.

00:55:37.000 That's right.

00:55:38.000 And this gets back to the Iraq and Afghanistan war.

00:55:41.000 There's trillions of dollars of mineral wealth in Afghanistan.

00:55:44.000 Like a lot of the stuff that ends up in your phone comes from there.

00:55:48.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:55:48.000 Lithium ion, all that stuff.

00:55:50.000 That's right.

00:55:51.000 There's a huge deposit of lithium in Afghanistan.

00:55:53.000 There was a big story about that a few years ago, that they had found this new massive deposit of lithium.

00:56:00.000 I want you to imagine this, and I want to put this out there.

00:56:04.000 If Apple had their version of a Fairphone, like say this is our iPhone 12 Max Pro, but this is our Fairphone.

00:56:13.000 Now this phone, everybody makes at least $15 an hour.

00:56:17.000 This is a phone that doesn't use any conflict minerals that come from war-torn countries, but it costs $1,000, but it's not as good as the phone that costs $800.

00:56:29.000 Who would get it?

00:56:30.000 That's the question.

00:56:31.000 I think a lot of people would, because they would virtue signal.

00:56:33.000 They would say, I'm using the fair phone.

00:56:35.000 Virtue signal has a negative connotation.

00:56:37.000 That's a good virtue signal.

00:56:38.000 But in a good way.

00:56:39.000 I have a new phone.

00:56:41.000 I got a 12. I'm a fucking moron. 1.00

00:56:43.000 I was like, get a 12, get a better camera! 1.00

00:56:47.000 Oh, sides! 0.98

00:56:49.000 Sides!

00:56:49.000 They're flat now!

00:56:51.000 Yeah, I love it!

00:56:54.000 But I don't need it, right?

00:56:56.000 If you made a phone that's the equivalent of the iPhone 7, right?

00:57:00.000 And it costs $900, but you feel good about yourself.

00:57:03.000 You don't feel bad. 0.99

00:57:04.000 What the fuck do you need your phone to do? 0.98

00:57:06.000 It's not making complex computations. 0.99

00:57:09.000 It's not doing super difficult video rendering.

00:57:14.000 Unless you're a hardcore gamer on your phone.

00:57:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:16.000 What are you really using your goddamn phone? 1.00

00:57:19.000 You're FaceTiming your friends. 1.00

00:57:20.000 You're making a few text messages.

00:57:22.000 You're checking your email.

00:57:23.000 Maybe you watch a YouTube video.

00:57:24.000 You play a podcast when you're in your car.

00:57:26.000 You listen to music. 1.00

00:57:26.000 What the fuck are you using your phone for? 1.00

00:57:29.000 That you need a new processor. 1.00

00:57:31.000 Oh, the new OLED has, you know, the new resolution is far better than the old.

00:57:36.000 There's more pixels.

00:57:37.000 Listen, I'm 53 years old. 1.00

00:57:39.000 I need glasses to see my fucking text messages. 0.99

00:57:41.000 I don't know what's going on with your pixels. 0.99

00:57:43.000 If you could sell a phone that you could feel good about, where you could say, if a phone company came out with that and that was their big campaign, if it was ever a time, now is the time they could do that.

00:57:55.000 And I would buy it. 1.00

00:57:56.000 I don't fucking need this stupid new phone, but I bought it because I'm a moron. 1.00

00:58:00.000 But if a phone company came out and said, this is it, we have a phone, maybe Korea's better, maybe Samsung's better. 1.00

00:58:09.000 I don't know where they're making their shit or where they're doing their shit. 1.00

00:58:12.000 I think they're all bad, I think, at the core of it. 1.00

00:58:16.000 There's slavery involved with all this.

00:58:18.000 And it's terrible, but it's probably true, right?

00:58:20.000 Is anybody's hands really clean in all this?

00:58:22.000 I mean, it's relative, right?

00:58:24.000 Like, relatively clean?

00:58:25.000 Cleaner? 0.90

00:58:26.000 But I mean, this is why we need...

00:58:28.000 Efficient, effective regulation.

00:58:30.000 Is it even possible?

00:58:31.000 Let's avoid the slavery thing.

00:58:33.000 Well, listen, it's harder.

00:58:34.000 The broader the scope, the harder it is.

00:58:37.000 So, yes, if you're asking, hey, is it really possible to know where we get everything from for phones that are sold here when none of the materials come from here?

00:58:45.000 No, it's really not possible.

00:58:47.000 Well, someone's got to know, right?

00:58:49.000 The new phone has a bunch of recycled material in it.

00:58:52.000 Sure, but that means recycled from eventually slaves getting it out of the ground.

00:58:57.000 Well, from other phones is what they're saying.

00:58:59.000 Right, but it originally came from slaves getting those materials out of the ground.

00:59:03.000 But not at a constant rate.

00:59:04.000 Yeah, he's just saying it's not continuing to feed the slavery pipeline slightly better.

00:59:09.000 So Apple's Rare Earth Recycling, a new iPhone series, steps up environmental response.

00:59:13.000 Yeah, but that's just the environment.

00:59:15.000 Even though this is good because they're not wasting the materials and they're recycling the materials, that's good for the environment, right?

00:59:22.000 But that doesn't address the Foxconn workers who live in a place where they have dormitories and they have nets around the building because so many people jumped off, they decided to put nets up.

00:59:32.000 You would need the international community to get together and we all say to each other, alright, no slavery?

00:59:36.000 Yeah, no slavery. 0.96

00:59:37.000 And then some, I mean, some country would decide we're going to be assholes because we'll get a competitive advantage if we have slaves, and then they'd probably do it. 0.98

00:59:44.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

00:59:44.000 But, yeah, it's... 0.98

00:59:45.000 Well...

00:59:45.000 Jimmy, pull up that Fairphone.

00:59:47.000 Dude, would you really get a Fairphone?

00:59:49.000 No.

00:59:50.000 I'm just lying on the podcast.

00:59:52.000 It's so insane. 0.95

00:59:52.000 It depends how shitty it is, though, right? 0.95

00:59:54.000 Can I airdrop? 0.89

00:59:54.000 If it's actually okay. 0.89

00:59:55.000 If it's even less, like slightly less, I'm going to go slavery.

01:00:00.000 Here it is.

01:00:01.000 But can I airdrop with the Fairphone? 1.00

01:00:03.000 I'm going to go slavery.

01:00:04.000 I was going to say Android, so I mean.

01:00:06.000 Okay.

01:00:06.000 Designed to last.

01:00:08.000 What does it say?

01:00:10.000 Recycled in fair materials.

01:00:13.000 48 megapixel camera.

01:00:15.000 That's pretty good.

01:00:15.000 You look like a punk if you have this.

01:00:17.000 How dare you? 0.90

01:00:18.000 You look like a punk if you pull out a Fairphone. 1.00

01:00:20.000 Look at this fucking guy. 1.00

01:00:21.000 Dude, it's horrible. 1.00

01:00:22.000 He doesn't even agree with slavery, this asshole. 1.00

01:00:24.000 What a horrible conversation start. 1.00

01:00:25.000 Oh, I have a Fairphone.

01:00:27.000 Oh, you think you've stopped slavery because you have one Fairphone? 1.00

01:00:30.000 Well, let's...

01:00:31.000 Why do they have white text on blue?

01:00:33.000 It's so hard to read.

01:00:34.000 You're making a great point.

01:00:35.000 I'm always doing that.

01:00:36.000 Because, like, it's not an individual issue.

01:00:39.000 It's like when people say about climate change.

01:00:40.000 I just never know when I'm doing it. 1.00

01:00:41.000 It's like when people say about climate change, like, oh, did you drive a fucking car? 0.99

01:00:44.000 Is that what you did? 1.00

01:00:45.000 Did you drive a car to get here? 1.00

01:00:46.000 Did you know that fucking climate change has happened? 1.00

01:00:47.000 It's like, yeah, asshole. 1.00

01:00:48.000 And it's not like one individual can really make that much of a difference. 0.99

01:00:51.000 You actually need action from a higher level, like 73% of the emissions that lead to climate change come from the same...

01:00:58.000 Come from...

01:00:58.000 I'm sorry.

01:00:59.000 What does it say there?

01:01:00.000 73 companies...

01:01:03.000 They only sell in Europe.

01:01:04.000 They only sell within the EEA in Switzerland.

01:01:10.000 As an organization based in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, we currently focus our sales efforts in Europe.

01:01:15.000 At the same time, we are researching the market and logistic possibilities to sell outside of Europe.

01:01:21.000 You can find our full list of countries where we sell and ship to.

01:01:25.000 Yeah, when they try to sell outside of Europe.

01:01:27.000 Do they sell it to America?

01:01:28.000 Can I buy one?

01:01:31.000 Does it say United States?

01:01:32.000 L-M-N-O-P-Q-R-S. Nope. 1.00

01:01:35.000 Vatican City.

01:01:36.000 They don't even allow it here?

01:01:37.000 Vatican City.

01:01:38.000 Yeah, well, when you're molesting children, you really want a Fairphone. 1.00

01:01:42.000 They don't even allow it here?

01:01:43.000 No, they don't.

01:01:44.000 They don't sell it here.

01:01:45.000 I think we say this is slavery, but we don't really know.

01:01:49.000 Right?

01:01:50.000 Well, at the heart of it, with the mines, yeah.

01:01:52.000 There's child slaves in those mines. 0.99

01:01:54.000 Shipping outside of Europe.

01:01:56.000 We do not sell or ship Fairphone products outside of Europe at the moment.

01:02:00.000 Yeah.

01:02:00.000 The good news is we plan to start developing a selection of countries outside.

01:02:05.000 The question at the moment is how fast can we make this happen?

01:02:08.000 As an Amsterdam-based organization, we wanted to launch a Fairphone products in Europe.

01:02:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:13.000 For the coming time, we will continue to focus our sales efforts on this region.

01:02:17.000 Oh, they don't have any plans. 0.98

01:02:19.000 So you can't even buy this fucking phone here. 0.98

01:02:21.000 But it's not a bad phone if you look at what it is. 0.99

01:02:23.000 It's a 46 megapixel camera, uses Android 10, which is, I think that's the latest.

01:02:29.000 Now, is it Android 11 now?

01:02:31.000 I think they have Android 11 now.

01:02:32.000 But Tim is right.

01:02:33.000 This is not an individual issue.

01:02:36.000 Action needs to be taken at a higher level.

01:02:38.000 You can't just have one person go and buy a fair phone.

01:02:40.000 It's got to be systemic.

01:02:42.000 Well, I've got to be able to airdrop, too.

01:02:44.000 And the point I was trying to make, which I couldn't get out.

01:02:46.000 I think the phone system works well.

01:02:48.000 What phone says it?

01:02:49.000 The one we get where we get the nice phones.

01:02:51.000 Joey, he's saying he's pro-slavery.

01:02:53.000 This is what he's saying.

01:02:53.000 We get a new one every year.

01:02:54.000 I'm not pro-slavery, but if you're a child in China, you have to keep yourself occupied. 1.00

01:02:59.000 You can upgrade your camera.

01:03:00.000 There's a camera module.

01:03:02.000 That's kind of cool.

01:03:03.000 That's pretty cool.

01:03:03.000 If it works good.

01:03:04.000 Discover the greener way to get new features.

01:03:06.000 Wow.

01:03:07.000 So they have a module that you can take out and then put back.

01:03:10.000 It probably also means no water resistance. 0.92

01:03:13.000 With all this modular shit, you're pulling out batteries and stuff.

01:03:16.000 That means usually, generally, that you're not going to be able to have water resistance. 0.92

01:03:22.000 You seem like you're actually somewhat interested in this, Joe.

01:03:24.000 I am somewhat interested in this because I've recognized my own hypocrisy by not supporting slavery but supporting slavery.

01:03:31.000 And it's also weird to me that, in my opinion, if I'm thinking about a progressive tech company, Apple's at the top of that list.

01:03:40.000 They have the most elegant design.

01:03:42.000 They have these super intelligent people working.

01:03:44.000 They have this beautiful campus.

01:03:46.000 They have all these things.

01:03:46.000 They have an enormous amount of money.

01:03:48.000 I mean, Apple has more money than the United States of America, right?

01:03:51.000 They have more reserve, more cash reserves than anything.

01:03:56.000 What is Apple's cash reserve?

01:03:59.000 I think it's in the trillions of dollars.

01:04:01.000 They have an enormous amount of money.

01:04:04.000 Well, they're incredibly successful.

01:04:06.000 But here's the thing.

01:04:09.000 I'm not saying it's not a lot, but it's about $200 billion.

01:04:13.000 I thought it was in the trillions.

01:04:14.000 That's how much they're worth, I believe.

01:04:16.000 I don't think they have that in cash.

01:04:18.000 Okay, so in cash, they have hundreds of billions of dollars.

01:04:24.000 Can't you stop?

01:04:25.000 You guys can't figure it out?

01:04:26.000 You can't pay slaves better money?

01:04:28.000 You can't say they only have to work eight hours a day?

01:04:30.000 It's about the supply chain, man.

01:04:32.000 How much more would it cost?

01:04:34.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:04:35.000 I hear you, but I think it's more about the supply chain where, like, at some point down the line, they're just getting something from somebody else who's doing the work elsewhere.

01:04:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:44.000 Like, they come to them for the raw materials for whatever it is, and then they put it together.

01:04:48.000 Somebody owns the land where the minerals are being extracted from, and that person's running a slave operation.

01:04:54.000 Pretty much.

01:04:54.000 This is what the CIA would do.

01:04:56.000 When we needed minerals, whoever was running that country, they'd be like, he seems like he's hurting his own people. 0.99

01:05:01.000 He's a genocidal monster. 0.94

01:05:03.000 There's always an argument. 1.00

01:05:04.000 There's always some veneer.

01:05:06.000 It's like that Bill Hicks joke where they go, he's a Hitler and whatever you need, folks. 0.90

01:05:11.000 Whatever you need, we're going in.

01:05:13.000 Well, that's Smedley Butler.

01:05:15.000 War's a racket. 0.73

01:05:17.000 That's really the extent of his argument, or his article rather, is when he wrote that, he thought when he first enlisted into the Army, and by the way, I believe that's 33. What year was that?

01:05:28.000 Smedley Butler, War's a Racket.

01:05:30.000 I want to say it's in the 1930s.

01:05:33.000 And he wrote this...

01:05:34.000 35. Eerily accurate account of what we're dealing with today when it comes to why we really take military action on certain countries.

01:05:44.000 In his case back then, he was talking about protecting bankers and Yeah, we had soldiers who were dishonorably discharged when they blew the whistle on some of our allies having child sex slaves. 0.94

01:05:58.000 Crazy. 0.99

01:05:59.000 Say that again. 1.00

01:05:59.000 We had soldiers who were dishonorably discharged when they blew the whistle on our allies in Afghanistan having child sex slaves. 1.00

01:06:07.000 So they spoke up and said, our allies are fucking children here. 1.00

01:06:11.000 And they were dishonorably discharged. 1.00

01:06:12.000 Dishonorably discharged. 0.98

01:06:13.000 But nobody likes a rat. 0.98

01:06:14.000 No one wants a rat.

01:06:16.000 That's a great point, because we also do horrible things, and you're like, well, if he's gonna rat out our allies, they might rat out us. 1.00

01:06:21.000 Yeah, and they probably fuck kids, too. 1.00

01:06:24.000 Who were these guys, and where are they at? 0.99

01:06:26.000 I'm going on an article I read, like, five years ago.

01:06:28.000 I'll try to pull it up. 0.98

01:06:28.000 In Afghanistan, they have this whole thing where it's like they have ladyboys, and then they have, like, goat herders have sex with them, warriors. 0.98

01:06:34.000 It's like a warlord culture. 0.83

01:06:36.000 That's the extent of what I know about it, but...

01:06:39.000 I read an article.

01:06:40.000 I like how you said that, knowing that you have this shallow amount of information.

01:06:43.000 It's a very small amount of information, but it's very visual.

01:06:46.000 I know they're warlords and they're walking around rocks.

01:06:49.000 There you go.

01:06:49.000 Here it is.

01:06:50.000 U.S. soldiers told to ignore sexual abuse of boys by Afghan allies.

01:06:55.000 Also, cross off Afghan allies and write U.S. senators.

01:06:59.000 Yeah.

01:07:00.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:01.000 It's like, that's also the thing.

01:07:02.000 What's his name?

01:07:03.000 Wasn't he one of the speakers of the house, right?

01:07:05.000 Denny Hastert.

01:07:06.000 Hastert, yeah.

01:07:07.000 Well, he was molesting boys when he was working as a wrestling coach.

01:07:10.000 Yeah.

01:07:11.000 And really good friends with Tony Podesta, John Podesta's brother.

01:07:13.000 And by the way, if I want to say, I think he got 15 months.

01:07:18.000 He got an incredibly short term.

01:07:20.000 When you're connected.

01:07:22.000 Yeah, Hastert.

01:07:23.000 Pull that up.

01:07:24.000 Speaker of the House, Hastert.

01:07:26.000 And what he got. 0.99

01:07:27.000 And so, I mean, that fucking... 0.99

01:07:30.000 That is the tip of some iceberg somewhere. 0.99

01:07:32.000 Absolutely. 0.98

01:07:33.000 I mean, you've gone deep on the Epstein shit in your supervisor's release. 0.99

01:07:36.000 So, 15 months? 1.00

01:07:38.000 15 months for fucking kids. 1.00

01:07:40.000 Imagine. 1.00

01:07:40.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:07:41.000 Imagine.

01:07:41.000 Think about all these guys that are in jail right now for pot.

01:07:44.000 Non-violent drug offenses.

01:07:45.000 Non-violent drug dealers.

01:07:46.000 A bunch of dudes.

01:07:48.000 How about Kamala Harris? 1.00

01:07:50.000 How many did she put away?

01:07:51.000 How many did she put away for way longer?

01:07:54.000 He only did 13 months.

01:07:55.000 Oh, well.

01:07:56.000 Got off for good behavior. 0.99

01:07:57.000 Didn't fuck any kids in those last two months. 0.99

01:07:59.000 This was one of the issues where Trump could have hit Biden hard because Biden did the crime bill And Trump did the First Step Act. 0.99

01:08:08.000 That's a reversal of the roles there, where you have Biden's acting like the Republican and Trump's acting like the Democrat. 0.88

01:08:12.000 Well, it was tough to hit Kamala on that, because Trump was like, she put black people in jail! 0.99

01:08:17.000 And the crowd's like, yes! 0.90

01:08:18.000 And Trump's like, no, no, no!

01:08:20.000 Hold on! 0.98

01:08:22.000 And she's a cop!

01:08:23.000 And they're like, yes!

01:08:25.000 So it's a tough...

01:08:26.000 You gotta really dance.

01:08:28.000 That's why he's had a hard time defining Biden.

01:08:31.000 Because, you know, if you hit him on the crime bill, that's like saying, he's too tough on crime.

01:08:36.000 But he did hit him on the crime bill in that debate.

01:08:38.000 I know, but then in the next sentence, what did he do?

01:08:40.000 He said, he won't even say law and order.

01:08:41.000 This guy's okay with the riots.

01:08:43.000 You gotta pick one.

01:08:44.000 You can't say he's too tough on crime with the crime bill and he's too soft on crime because he won't say law and order.

01:08:48.000 The crime bill wasn't just tough on crime.

01:08:50.000 Right.

01:08:50.000 It was tough on non-violent crime, which shouldn't be crime.

01:08:53.000 And it was also, like, it didn't give anybody a path for redemption.

01:08:57.000 It just basically locked people up.

01:08:59.000 And then when you're dealing with, this is also during the time of the rise of the private prison industry.

01:09:05.000 And so all of that is being funneled into people's pockets.

01:09:09.000 Biden has always been a shady guy, right?

01:09:11.000 Didn't he, like, help all the credit card companies relocate to Delaware?

01:09:14.000 Yes!

01:09:14.000 In the bankruptcy bill!

01:09:16.000 The bankruptcy bill, they made it.

01:09:18.000 You can't file for bankruptcy on your student loans.

01:09:20.000 All other forms of debt, you can file for bankruptcy on it.

01:09:23.000 You can't do it on student loans.

01:09:25.000 And now this guy's, you know, might be our next president.

01:09:28.000 We'll find out.

01:09:28.000 How dark is that?

01:09:29.000 You can't file for bankruptcy on student loans.

01:09:31.000 No matter what it is, you owe it forever.

01:09:33.000 There's people right now that are getting Social Security, and they get some of their money docked because they owe student loans.

01:09:39.000 Imagine, you hit the end of the line, right?

01:09:41.000 You're 70 years old, you're tired every day, your feet hurt.

01:09:45.000 And your Social Security check gets sliced because you have student loans that you never used anyway.

01:09:53.000 Like, that education didn't do a damn good.

01:09:56.000 No good at all.

01:09:58.000 And the money, the reason why it was so expensive for that education was the government was subsidizing it.

01:10:02.000 That's right, and there are other developed countries, a bunch of them do.

01:10:06.000 Basically, they treat college the same way we treat high school here, where you could just go.

01:10:10.000 That is one of the reasons why I supported Bernie Sanders.

01:10:14.000 I supported him for a couple of reasons.

01:10:15.000 One, the idea of abolishing student debt.

01:10:19.000 Two, making college free.

01:10:21.000 We want people to be more educated.

01:10:23.000 We want them to be more educated.

01:10:25.000 It's one of the best ways to ensure that we have...

01:10:27.000 I always say this, what's the best way to make America great?

01:10:29.000 Have less losers. 0.62

01:10:30.000 What's the best way to have less losers?

01:10:32.000 Give more people opportunity. 0.99

01:10:34.000 So, get them out of debt for shit that they did when they were 17 and they didn't even know it. 0.98

01:10:38.000 They didn't understand what they were doing. 0.99

01:10:41.000 You're getting in debt for hundreds of thousands of dollars for an education that's being literally worthless. 0.99

01:10:46.000 Like, Jamie went to school for shit that doesn't even work anymore, right? 0.95

01:10:49.000 You make this education, or you get this education for computer programming. 0.99

01:10:54.000 Right.

01:10:54.000 Or, you know, you're learning software that's completely irrelevant by the time you get out of school.

01:11:00.000 And you're hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.

01:11:02.000 You should be able to sue. 1.00

01:11:03.000 You should be like, you fuckers, you made me learn some shit. 1.00

01:11:06.000 You should wipe the slate clean. 1.00

01:11:07.000 Get rid of the student loan debt.

01:11:08.000 I mean, think about it.

01:11:09.000 We bail out bankers.

01:11:11.000 We bail out Wall Street.

01:11:12.000 We have endless amounts of money for the war, right?

01:11:14.000 For the wars.

01:11:14.000 If we're gonna bail out anybody, it should be students.

01:11:18.000 Like, Jesus Christ.

01:11:20.000 Student debt, medical debt.

01:11:21.000 And by the way, I like the questions you asked Kanye, because it was funny to me watching.

01:11:25.000 You were very policy-focused.

01:11:28.000 You were like, okay, so what do you think about the issue of student loan debt?

01:11:31.000 Like, do you have a plan for that?

01:11:32.000 The big one for me was, what are you going to do with the military?

01:11:36.000 Like, if you have military...

01:11:39.000 He said a prayer, I believe, was his answer to that one.

01:11:41.000 He's gonna consult.

01:11:43.000 Jesus.

01:11:43.000 I like Kanye a lot and I thought that that was really interesting that his answer for the military was not something that he just ranted on.

01:11:50.000 That was something they thought about.

01:11:52.000 He said, I would consult experts.

01:11:53.000 You know, I'm a civilian.

01:11:55.000 You know, Trump said that a lot too in 2016 when he was asked a question he wasn't sure about.

01:11:58.000 He's like, I'd be surrounded by By the best people.

01:12:00.000 But he never said it like the way Kanye did it.

01:12:02.000 And I'm not saying Kanye West should be president.

01:12:05.000 But I was genuinely impressed with his thoughtfulness.

01:12:09.000 Genuinely.

01:12:09.000 You know, I don't think he should be president.

01:12:11.000 But by the way, he could be.

01:12:12.000 What are the numbers?

01:12:13.000 Not now.

01:12:14.000 He's not winning this election, that's for sure.

01:12:16.000 Not this one.

01:12:16.000 But understand, he could.

01:12:18.000 No bullshit. 0.99

01:12:19.000 Like, this is how fucking sideways we've gone through the loop. 1.00

01:12:23.000 Look, if it was up to me... 0.96

01:12:24.000 Trump was a good politician, though, Joe.

01:12:25.000 I really think Trump was a really...

01:12:27.000 He didn't get his due, either, because the media hates him so much, that they didn't recognize what he was doing was he wasn't running like a traditional Republican, which is like Mitt Romney style, which is uninspiring.

01:12:38.000 He was running like a populist, and that appealed to people who otherwise would...

01:12:41.000 There are two times Obama voters who voted for Trump.

01:12:43.000 Yeah.

01:12:44.000 And guess what?

01:12:44.000 Now they abandoned him because he stopped.

01:12:46.000 He didn't govern like we thought he might when he was being a populist.

01:12:50.000 Do you think that's because he was lying when he was running, or do you think it's because the things that he was promising, once you get into office and you see the reality of the job...

01:13:00.000 No, I'll explain it.

01:13:02.000 I think Trump is a path of least resistance guy. 0.99

01:13:06.000 So, when he got in power, he surrounded himself with the same fucking ghouls that have been destroying Washington all along. 0.94

01:13:14.000 I mean, he had Gary Cohn, Goldman Sachs, Steve Mnuchin, Goldman Sachs, Larry Kudlow from CNBC, the guy's never been right about anything economically in his entire life, but now he's making decisions for the economy. 0.99

01:13:24.000 And we can go down to John Bolton on foreign policy, one of the same guys who's a fucking war criminal who sent us to Iraq. 0.97

01:13:29.000 So, Trump spoke against the Iraq War, and then he hired the guy who was most responsible for getting us into fucking Iraq. 0.99

01:13:34.000 Try to make sense of that one.

01:13:35.000 So the problem is, he picked all these career insider swamp creatures, and then all of them were talking in his ear all day, every day, no, no, you can't do that thing, you can't stop the outsourcing, no, you can't get us out of the wars, you can't do this, you can't do that.

01:13:48.000 And Trump, listen, at the end of the day, all he really cares about is getting the adulation.

01:13:52.000 And he loves, like, when he's doing a rally and the crowd is, like, loving him, that's his thing, man, that's what he's into. 0.98

01:13:57.000 So he wants that love and adoration, While he just keeps the status quo going and holding it together with fucking band-aids and bubble gum, you know? 0.97

01:14:05.000 Like, that's what it is. 0.98

01:14:06.000 I'm going to keep the status quo going, relatively normal, as I portray myself as this...

01:14:12.000 I think you're right about all of that, but there's got to be some allowance made for the fact that, like, he spent two years defending himself from the accusation that he was a Russian spy.

01:14:23.000 That's right. 0.99

01:14:23.000 Well, that's because the fucking Democrats... 0.99

01:14:25.000 The Democrats are insane. 1.00

01:14:27.000 Two-year idea that the guy was a Russian spy. 0.85

01:14:29.000 Listen, and the reason the Democrats did that is because they don't have anything policy-wise that they're pushing to make counter-arguments.

01:14:39.000 Right.

01:14:39.000 So instead of saying, like, what we're going to do is we're going to abolish student loan debt and we're going to fight with the Republicans on this day in and day out.

01:14:46.000 They didn't do that.

01:14:47.000 They did exactly what you said, which is, oh my god, maybe he's Vladimir Putin's puppet Manchurian candidate, not even for America.

01:14:54.000 And, of course, where'd that get us?

01:14:56.000 Absolutely nowhere. 0.97

01:14:57.000 By the way, I love how the Mueller report got Trump on dick when it came to that, and the Democrats just acted like... 0.99

01:15:03.000 There was no day of reckoning where it was like, damn, we really fucked this up from the beginning. 0.97

01:15:06.000 I remember one of the first or second times I was on your podcast, I told you that they're gonna get nothing on the Russia thing. 0.98

01:15:11.000 And they got nothing on the Russia thing.

01:15:13.000 There's other kinds of standard issue corruption going on in there.

01:15:16.000 There's still people that claim that the Russia thing did show collusion.

01:15:20.000 Okay, then why is Trump still president?

01:15:22.000 Jamie's one of them.

01:15:23.000 Why hasn't anybody around him gone to prison?

01:15:26.000 Jamie thinks that he was in collusion.

01:15:29.000 But Jamie also pretended to have COVID. So this is a problem.

01:15:33.000 Because he was scared of meeting Kanye.

01:15:34.000 Exactly.

01:15:34.000 So this is a pattern of behavior with Jamie.

01:15:36.000 Scared to meet his idols.

01:15:38.000 That's what they say.

01:15:39.000 Don't do it.

01:15:39.000 I'm not wearing those shoes, so don't worry about it.

01:15:41.000 When you looked at your phone, did you get any hot results?

01:15:45.000 Is there anything off them? 0.99

01:15:46.000 Yeah, there's some shit going down in Florida. 0.99

01:15:48.000 They've projected wins for both of them. 0.99

01:15:50.000 It's going back and forth.

01:15:51.000 Can I show you the Trump 2016 ad?

01:15:53.000 I sent it to Jamie.

01:15:54.000 Yeah, we're going to look.

01:15:56.000 Oh, this is 2016. Okay, yeah.

01:15:58.000 Yeah, I DM'd it to Jamie.

01:15:59.000 I want to show you how good he was.

01:16:01.000 That's it, correct.

01:16:02.000 How good he was.

01:16:03.000 Joe, here we go.

01:16:04.000 We're going to do that, and...

01:16:08.000 With a new government, our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people.

01:16:22.000 The establishment has trillions of dollars at stake in this election.

01:16:27.000 For those who control the levers of power in Washington, and for the global special interest, they partner with these people that don't have your good in mind.

01:16:39.000 The political establishment that is trying to stop us is the same group responsible for our disastrous trade deals, massive illegal immigration, and economic and foreign policies that have bled our country dry. 0.82

01:16:56.000 The political establishment has brought about the destruction of our factories.

01:17:02.000 And our jobs as they flee to Mexico, China and other countries all around the world. 0.57

01:17:09.000 It's a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities.

01:17:27.000 The only thing That can stop this corrupt machine is you.

01:17:34.000 The only force strong enough to save our country is us.

01:17:40.000 The only people brave enough to vote out this corrupt establishment is you, the American people.

01:17:47.000 I'm doing this for the people and for the movement, and we will take back this country for you, and we will make America great again.

01:18:00.000 It's a great ad.

01:18:02.000 Listen, that is not like other Republicans.

01:18:06.000 That's him being incredibly populist, right?

01:18:09.000 And now I just want to show you, because I'll show you his 2020 closing ad, okay, so you can compare.

01:18:13.000 Jamie, I DM that to you as well.

01:18:15.000 It's the Trump tweet that says, vote, vote, vote.

01:18:17.000 This is what he released today as basically his closing ad.

01:18:19.000 And just look at how different this is.

01:18:21.000 Okay.

01:18:22.000 Hold on.

01:18:24.000 You gave me a lead-in like I was already ready.

01:18:25.000 Sorry about that.

01:18:26.000 Yeah, I get excited sometimes.

01:18:28.000 But that was a good ad, right? 0.98

01:18:29.000 That was a damn good ad. 1.00

01:18:30.000 That was a great fucking ad. 1.00

01:18:31.000 Made me want to take a time machine and go back and vote for him. 0.99

01:18:34.000 I mean, it's a great ad.

01:18:36.000 How is Joe Jorgensen doing?

01:18:39.000 I don't know.

01:18:39.000 0.6%.

01:18:41.000 Phenomenal.

01:18:42.000 She's got 0.6%? 0.99

01:18:44.000 Yeah.

01:18:45.000 Oh my god.

01:18:46.000 This is bad.

01:18:47.000 I don't know if we're allowed to play that.

01:18:49.000 Okay, then mute it.

01:18:50.000 Mute it, but keep it going. 1.00

01:18:52.000 This is the whole fucking thing, Joe Rogan! 1.00

01:18:55.000 He's just dancing? 1.00

01:18:56.000 Is this the song played the whole time?

01:18:58.000 I actually don't remember how long it plays, but...

01:19:01.000 I also gotta be honest, I also like this one.

01:19:02.000 That move! 1.00

01:19:04.000 That move! 1.00

01:19:05.000 He does that move everywhere!

01:19:06.000 I'm also equally assured by this.

01:19:09.000 That's the Macho Man song, isn't it?

01:19:11.000 Isn't it, Village People?

01:19:12.000 Yeah.

01:19:13.000 Is it YMCA? Yeah.

01:19:15.000 But what he's doing is he's saying all that stuff about NAFTA with his hands.

01:19:18.000 Just in here a little bit for a second.

01:19:20.000 Why is that his ad?

01:19:21.000 Mute it, mute it, mute it. 0.99

01:19:22.000 I don't want to get this pulled.

01:19:23.000 Yeah, mute it.

01:19:24.000 That is his ad?

01:19:26.000 This is the ad, Joe Rogan?

01:19:28.000 The YMCA? Yes!

01:19:29.000 Every other song he was playing, they told him to stop playing it.

01:19:32.000 They got cease and desist orders for it.

01:19:34.000 But he's showing he's young, he's vital, he just got done with COVID. Look at his dancing.

01:19:39.000 Here's the thing, Joe.

01:19:41.000 He's like an amazing non-person.

01:19:43.000 His attacks against Biden don't resonate as much as his attacks against Hillary resonated. 0.86

01:19:48.000 His legs are broken.

01:19:51.000 He's stuck to the ground.

01:19:52.000 His knees don't work.

01:19:53.000 He's paralyzed.

01:19:54.000 What a weird dance.

01:19:55.000 I'm going to start doing that.

01:19:56.000 It's like a guy that was in a car accident.

01:19:57.000 He's got it on a loop.

01:19:58.000 He just got the same dance on a loop.

01:20:00.000 This is a crazy ad.

01:20:01.000 So it's just music?

01:20:03.000 He made a TikTok video is what he did.

01:20:05.000 So, yeah.

01:20:06.000 It's a three minute TikTok video.

01:20:07.000 But it's just music and him dancing.

01:20:08.000 That's right.

01:20:09.000 That is so bizarre.

01:20:10.000 Okay, so now, but beyond this, Joe, because the main argument he's using against Joe Biden is Joe Biden is some sort of radical socialist Antifa lover.

01:20:19.000 And that's not landing. 0.99

01:20:20.000 But look at this fucking, this ad is so dumb. 1.00

01:20:24.000 Look at this ad! 1.00

01:20:25.000 Someone hates him.

01:20:26.000 Someone inside the White House hates him and they made this ad. 1.00

01:20:29.000 They're like, I'm going to sink his fucking battleship with this shit. 1.00

01:20:31.000 I think you're bullshitting on it, but I think he's basically saying get out and vote. 1.00

01:20:37.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99

01:20:43.000 Do you think he knows it's over? 0.96

01:20:44.000 He should.

01:20:45.000 Maybe he doesn't even want to win.

01:20:47.000 Who knows?

01:20:48.000 Maybe secretly he doesn't want to win.

01:20:49.000 This is the craziest thing I've ever seen. 1.00

01:20:51.000 It's the dumbest ad I've ever seen. 1.00

01:20:53.000 This move is so strange. 1.00

01:20:57.000 Vote, vote.

01:20:57.000 He tweeted that with the words, vote, vote, vote.

01:21:00.000 Let's get some updates.

01:21:01.000 27 million views on that.

01:21:02.000 27 million. 0.99

01:21:03.000 Well, 27 million people are going, what the fuck is this? 0.99

01:21:06.000 We're going to get some... 0.98

01:21:10.000 We need some updates.

01:21:11.000 Alright, let's see.

01:21:12.000 Let's see where we're at.

01:21:14.000 I say it's all red now.

01:21:16.000 It's just updated as of right now.

01:21:18.000 Trump is up.

01:21:19.000 The biggest one I think that I've seen so far is Florida's reporting at 89%.

01:21:24.000 And Trump is leading.

01:21:25.000 Trump is leading, so Trump needs that state to have any chance, and it looks like he's in the lead by 2%, which is actually not terrible at 89% in, which actually looks like it's solid for him at the moment.

01:21:35.000 Okay, so he's going to win.

01:21:37.000 Well, not necessarily.

01:21:38.000 Wait until they call it, but...

01:21:41.000 I mean, this could be...

01:21:42.000 I think it's...

01:21:44.000 Okay, so if he wins Florida, what else does he do to...

01:21:49.000 Wow, look at that.

01:21:49.000 He just gets Ohio or Pennsylvania, he's in.

01:21:51.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:21:53.000 Okay.

01:21:53.000 He needs...

01:21:55.000 If he wins Florida, the next thing you have to look at is Pennsylvania, and he must win Pennsylvania as well.

01:22:02.000 How's Pennsylvania looking?

01:22:03.000 Pennsylvania's leaning blue at the moment.

01:22:05.000 7% reporting right now.

01:22:06.000 And that's all the mail-ins.

01:22:07.000 The mail-ins are 76% Biden, which is what I told you earlier, that the mail-ins are going to be pro-Biden, and on the day votes are going to be pro-Trump.

01:22:14.000 Hmm.

01:22:15.000 But he needs Pennsylvania.

01:22:16.000 He needs Florida.

01:22:17.000 He needs Ohio.

01:22:20.000 So Pennsylvania, the polls are still open?

01:22:23.000 Pennsylvania, I'll tell you one second.

01:22:25.000 Hold on, I'll tell you one second.

01:22:28.000 It's 10 p.m.

01:22:29.000 there.

01:22:31.000 Pennsylvania...

01:22:32.000 Oh, 9pm there.

01:22:33.000 It says open, but it says closed at 8pm Eastern Time, so they should have closed about an hour ago.

01:22:38.000 Okay, so they have to count.

01:22:39.000 Yes, Pennsylvania closed at 8, but they're counting.

01:22:41.000 And they're starting again with the mail-in votes, which is why Biden has such a strong lead at the moment.

01:22:46.000 But in the polling, in Pennsylvania, Biden was up about 5 or 6 points in the average of the polling.

01:22:51.000 So that's basically Trump's biggest hurdle to winning the election is Pennsylvania, because he's down 5 or 6 points there.

01:22:59.000 So, if he can win Florida, which it looks good for him now in Florida, Trump, then it comes down to Pennsylvania, and if he can win Pennsylvania, then you're getting, now you're really having a conversation about the election.

01:23:09.000 Well, that's what I, right, that's what I said.

01:23:12.000 No, no, but I thought you were saying, I thought you were saying that was it and he wins after that.

01:23:15.000 No, no, no, no, I was saying that was it and then we can play the ad again.

01:23:18.000 Then he's in the ballgame.

01:23:19.000 Everybody gets excited again.

01:23:20.000 Then he's in the ballgame.

01:23:21.000 He's in the ballgame if that happens.

01:23:22.000 Then he's in the ballgame with the riots start.

01:23:24.000 Let's get the riots going. 0.82

01:23:25.000 Let's get the bricks going. 1.00

01:23:26.000 If he wins Florida and he wins Pennsylvania, what else does he have to do to win?

01:23:30.000 Ohio.

01:23:31.000 He's got to win Ohio.

01:23:32.000 What does Joe Biden have to do to win at this point?

01:23:35.000 First of all, Texas looks blue right now.

01:23:38.000 I'm not saying it's going to stay like that.

01:23:39.000 If Joe Biden wins Texas, it's game, set, match.

01:23:42.000 It's over.

01:23:42.000 If Joe Biden somehow comes back in Florida now, he wins.

01:23:46.000 It's over.

01:23:46.000 Game, set, match.

01:23:47.000 That's the problem is all my people from California bailed out of California and moved here.

01:23:52.000 There was a big push.

01:23:53.000 Turn Texas blue.

01:23:54.000 That was a big thing.

01:23:58.000 Fascinating.

01:23:58.000 No, this really is fascinating because I think Texas is going to go red, but I thought Florida was going to go blue.

01:24:04.000 So we'll see.

01:24:05.000 So Google is showing it in a way that's a little more easier to look at.

01:24:09.000 Okay.

01:24:09.000 It shows all the groups of the swing states.

01:24:11.000 By the way, scroll down, scroll down, Jamie, for one sec.

01:24:12.000 North Carolina is an important swing state, and right now Biden's up just a little bit there.

01:24:17.000 And by the way, Biden up in Ohio as well, even though there's probably early votes in just mail-in, but that's big too because Trump needs Ohio and he needs Pennsylvania.

01:24:25.000 What's interesting too is the numbers of people voting.

01:24:28.000 It seems like way more people are voting.

01:24:30.000 Huge turnout, Joe.

01:24:31.000 Huge turnout.

01:24:32.000 Gigantic.

01:24:34.000 What's the number?

01:24:35.000 I'll pull them up for you right now.

01:24:36.000 It was 102 early.

01:24:38.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:24:39.000 I didn't vote because I felt too many people were voting.

01:24:41.000 So, get this.

01:24:42.000 Isn't the early vote more than all of the vote from some years?

01:24:46.000 Yes, that's what I was going to say.

01:24:48.000 For Texas specifically... 0.99

01:24:49.000 How about you let him answer since he's the fucking expert? 0.99

01:24:51.000 You're looking at me. 0.99

01:24:52.000 Jamie's like, no, no.

01:24:53.000 For Texas specifically, yes.

01:24:56.000 Texas passed the total number of votes in their pre-voting, in their mail-in votes.

01:25:01.000 They...

01:25:02.000 They surpassed their 2016 total in just the mail-ins.

01:25:06.000 That's insane.

01:25:07.000 That is insane.

01:25:07.000 Where did you vote?

01:25:08.000 New York?

01:25:08.000 I didn't vote.

01:25:09.000 Oh, you didn't vote?

01:25:10.000 No, I did not.

01:25:11.000 Wow.

01:25:12.000 Wow.

01:25:12.000 I can't believe you're surprised by that.

01:25:14.000 Well, I know you weren't going to vote for Biden, but I didn't know you were not going to vote, period.

01:25:18.000 Why is that?

01:25:19.000 What was I going to do?

01:25:19.000 Vote for Trump?

01:25:20.000 No, no, no.

01:25:21.000 Go Joe Jorgensen.

01:25:24.000 I didn't vote because it looked kind of gross.

01:25:28.000 It looked gross, the voting, because they were doing it in firehouses and libraries.

01:25:32.000 It was a little grotesque.

01:25:33.000 And they all stand outside with masks.

01:25:35.000 It seemed very low rent.

01:25:36.000 I went to dinner instead.

01:25:37.000 And that's how I've been doing it for years.

01:25:39.000 I think that's a good, healthy way to do it.

01:25:42.000 So, let me explain why I did what I did.

01:25:46.000 Basically, for me, it came down to, obviously, I'm not going to support Trump.

01:25:49.000 I've ripped him a million ways to Sunday, and I'll continue to do that.

01:25:52.000 I think he's been effectively governed as an establishment Republican with tax cuts for the wealthy and continuing the wars.

01:25:57.000 And to me, you're done.

01:25:59.000 I have no interest in more tax cuts for the rich.

01:26:00.000 I have no interest in continued wars.

01:26:02.000 I have no interest in deregulation and stuff like that.

01:26:05.000 For Biden, my political awakening came with the Iraq War in 2003. When we basically were lied into a war, and we continued that illegal war.

01:26:17.000 And he was one of the guys who voted for it.

01:26:20.000 And listen, I truly believe that everybody who voted for that Iraq war should be in prison.

01:26:24.000 I think they're all war criminals. 1.00

01:26:25.000 It was an illegal war, even according to the UN. And over 200,000 innocent civilians are dead.

01:26:32.000 So basically I couldn't bring myself to do it because that was the most foundational thing that happened when I was growing up getting involved in politics and I just can't look past that.

01:26:44.000 That's not a little thing to me.

01:26:45.000 So now if you want me to Give you my breakdown of the candidates.

01:26:49.000 Do I think overall Joe Biden is a lesser evil?

01:26:53.000 I do.

01:26:54.000 Because Joe Biden is going to get us back in the Iran deal.

01:26:56.000 Joe Biden is going to get us back in the Paris Climate Agreement.

01:26:58.000 And those things I think are really important.

01:27:00.000 But I just couldn't bring myself to pull the lever.

01:27:02.000 Especially because I live in New York and New York is a safe state anyway.

01:27:04.000 It's not like my vote matters.

01:27:07.000 But I just couldn't bring myself to do it, man.

01:27:09.000 I just couldn't do it.

01:27:12.000 Do you take heat for that?

01:27:13.000 I didn't disclose what I was going to do yet until right now.

01:27:17.000 I know you disclosed that you weren't going to vote for Biden.

01:27:20.000 People were already giving you heat for that.

01:27:22.000 Yeah, well I said that right after the primary when the feelings were raw with Bernie getting screwed again.

01:27:27.000 So that's why I said it then.

01:27:29.000 Why does Bernie just take that laying down?

01:27:31.000 Listen.

01:27:31.000 Is he that nice of a guy?

01:27:34.000 He really likes Joe Biden, number one.

01:27:36.000 Number two, I think he really buys into the lesser evil framework where he thinks...

01:27:44.000 I'm going to go with the guy who's, you know, better on more of the things that I agree.

01:27:47.000 Like, for example, Biden has signed up for doing Bernie Sanders' living wage idea, $15 minimum wage.

01:27:53.000 And so, you know, Bernie takes that and he goes, okay, this is enough for me to go out there and push you and make an argument for you.

01:27:59.000 Now, will Biden actually do that?

01:28:00.000 I don't know.

01:28:01.000 I hope he will.

01:28:02.000 I have no idea if he actually will.

01:28:03.000 Okay?

01:28:04.000 What are the arguments against that?

01:28:05.000 Well, people say, oh, it's going to lead to an increase in unemployment because small businesses can't afford to, you know, pay for it.

01:28:12.000 Especially at a time like right now with COVID where small businesses are having a hard time staying open either way.

01:28:17.000 Well, also, there's also arguments that these are jobs for young people that perhaps still work at home.

01:28:22.000 The data doesn't bear that out, though.

01:28:23.000 There's plenty of people who work full-time and they make a minimum wage.

01:28:26.000 But you don't want people that are making the Filet-O-Fish complacent.

01:28:29.000 Like, you want them working and...

01:28:32.000 Listen, they need to know their mistakes.

01:28:33.000 Whitney Cummings just texted me.

01:28:34.000 She's like, I can't believe you guys are eating Filet-O-Fish. 0.99

01:28:36.000 It's like, shut up. 0.99

01:28:37.000 She yelled at me for not voting. 0.99

01:28:39.000 She yelled at me for not voting.

01:28:40.000 She said it's going to be bad for my career.

01:28:42.000 Tell her I said thank you because she's backing up my Filet-O-Fish argument.

01:28:46.000 She said it would be bad for my career if I don't vote.

01:28:49.000 She goes, do you want to be the person in 2020 who didn't vote?

01:28:51.000 And I said, yes.

01:28:54.000 I mean, listen, it is what it is.

01:28:56.000 You live in California, right?

01:28:58.000 I live in California.

01:28:58.000 It's not a swing state.

01:29:00.000 Are you registered to vote there or no?

01:29:01.000 I don't know.

01:29:03.000 My business manager called me and said, should we register you to vote?

01:29:06.000 I said, I'm trying to get my license back.

01:29:08.000 I've got a suspended license in New York.

01:29:10.000 They're trying to put me in jail.

01:29:11.000 Let's focus on that and then we'll get to voting.

01:29:14.000 We'll get to voting in three or four months.

01:29:16.000 You know, Tim used to sell subprime mortgages?

01:29:19.000 Yes.

01:29:19.000 Okay.

01:29:19.000 Correct.

01:29:20.000 Correct.

01:29:21.000 He was part of the problem.

01:29:22.000 And my living was taken from me by an authoritarian government who took me and a lot of men from Long Island who were trying to help people realize the American dream were unfairly painted as criminals just because we were expanding people's ability to get credit.

01:29:40.000 Sorry.

01:29:41.000 Sorry I wanted everyone to have a pool.

01:29:44.000 A lot of people don't hear that perspective.

01:29:46.000 I'm glad you brought that up.

01:29:47.000 And I'm here to give it.

01:29:48.000 You started out selling subprime mortgages.

01:29:50.000 Yes.

01:29:50.000 I started out selling cars.

01:29:52.000 Oh, wow!

01:29:53.000 And I as well was also on many substances as I was doing it.

01:29:58.000 Oh, that's so funny.

01:29:58.000 Were you good?

01:29:59.000 What kind of cars were you selling?

01:30:00.000 I was selling Chevys.

01:30:02.000 Were you like a good salesman or were you like a piker? 1.00

01:30:05.000 I'm too nice and I don't give a fuck if the person buys the car or not. 0.93

01:30:09.000 I mean, obviously I want to get paid. 0.96

01:30:10.000 I'm too honest.

01:30:12.000 What I was going to say is I was probably the number one consumer of Four Loko back when it was the original Four Loko.

01:30:18.000 Okay, well you needed stronger drugs.

01:30:21.000 It's cocaine in a can, are you kidding me?

01:30:23.000 That's not really a joke.

01:30:24.000 We were doing cocaine off our desk.

01:30:26.000 Well, if I had that, I probably would have done the same thing. 1.00

01:30:28.000 But Four Loko was taken off the shelves because people were having fucking heart attacks and shit. 0.99

01:30:32.000 We were doing lines of blow off our desk and then taking people's 1040s to whiteout and getting deals done. 0.99

01:30:38.000 Jamie just motioned to me to get you guys to try to not talk over each other.

01:30:42.000 I apologize, Jamie.

01:30:43.000 I was moving into your camera.

01:30:45.000 I keep doing that.

01:30:47.000 I'm sorry.

01:30:47.000 Let me scoot this way more.

01:30:49.000 Have I been doing that the whole time?

01:30:50.000 We need to learn sign language.

01:30:51.000 Both of us do.

01:30:52.000 I know how to spell it, but it takes too long.

01:30:54.000 Dude, the sign language interpreters are so out of control now.

01:30:58.000 Do you remember the fake one next to Obama?

01:31:01.000 That was hilarious.

01:31:02.000 He had no idea what he was doing.

01:31:04.000 He was just doing a bunch of TikTok moves.

01:31:06.000 And...

01:31:07.000 The guy got three inches away from Obama.

01:31:10.000 That's insane. 0.99

01:31:12.000 It shows you how fucking poor, poorly managed a lot of those situations are. 0.99

01:31:18.000 Such poor security, poor planning. 1.00

01:31:21.000 You have a fucking guy you don't even know. 1.00

01:31:23.000 President of the United States. 1.00

01:31:25.000 I want to know how long he was doing that, too.

01:31:27.000 Before people who actually sign are like, hey, hey, hey.

01:31:31.000 What is that?

01:31:32.000 What is this craziness?

01:31:33.000 By the way, that shows how important confidence is.

01:31:37.000 Because the person started doing it just really confidently, like they belong there.

01:31:40.000 And that was enough for everybody to be like, I guess that person belongs there.

01:31:43.000 All of the people now, it's disgusting what they do.

01:31:45.000 They're very big and everything.

01:31:46.000 And it's like, we get it, but you're distracting.

01:31:49.000 Because most people can hear.

01:31:50.000 So what you're doing is you're distracting.

01:31:52.000 For me, I'm trying to listen to the message.

01:31:54.000 It's very distracting to have somebody who's very over the top doing it.

01:31:58.000 And that's true.

01:32:00.000 I get it.

01:32:01.000 Deaf people, for the most part, are very rude. 1.00

01:32:03.000 There was a ruling today about Gavin Newsom.

01:32:06.000 There was a ruling about Gavin Newsom that is, like, something about his using unconstitutional policies.

01:32:15.000 Yeah, you know, he's a...

01:32:20.000 Unliked man right now in California.

01:32:22.000 Well, talking of car salesman, he looks like the sleaziest car salesman on the planet.

01:32:26.000 Well, he looks like a guy who should be president.

01:32:30.000 In a movie.

01:32:31.000 In a movie, maybe.

01:32:32.000 He looks like a president.

01:32:34.000 He sounds like a president.

01:32:36.000 He's a good-looking dude.

01:32:37.000 Judge rules to limit California governor's powers amid pandemic. 1.00

01:32:42.000 He's out of fucking control. 1.00

01:32:43.000 He's out of his mind. 1.00

01:32:44.000 It's amazing how much money people are losing, too.

01:32:47.000 Like Disneyland.

01:32:48.000 Disneyland is losing some insane number of millions of dollars a day.

01:32:55.000 The order prevents Gavin Newsom from exercising any power under California Emergency Services Act which amends, alters, or changes existing statutory law or makes new statutory law or legislative policy.

01:33:07.000 The judge determined that the California Emergency Services Act itself was constitutional but noted that it does not permit the governor to amend statutes or make new statutes.

01:33:17.000 That's what I've been saying the whole time.

01:33:18.000 He's like, this guy is an autocrat.

01:33:20.000 The governor does not have the power or authority to assume the legislator's role of creating legislative policy and enactments.

01:33:29.000 It's just so spooky how people get into power and you find out how much they love using it.

01:33:35.000 Go back to that again.

01:33:37.000 It says, determining one of his orders was an unconstitutional exercise of legislative power.

01:33:43.000 Yeah. 0.69

01:33:43.000 Gross. 0.69

01:33:44.000 It's scary there, man. 0.88

01:33:46.000 Like, they're giving you orders on what you can do for Thanksgiving.

01:33:52.000 It's crazy.

01:33:53.000 You can't have more than three families.

01:33:55.000 You can't have any singing.

01:33:57.000 Wait a minute.

01:33:58.000 You have to be outside.

01:33:59.000 Is that true?

01:34:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:00.000 No singing?

01:34:01.000 No singing.

01:34:02.000 You have to be outside.

01:34:03.000 It has to only go on for two hours.

01:34:05.000 As if after two hours everyone turns into a pumpkin.

01:34:08.000 This is absurd, and this is an abuse of power, and he must be...

01:34:12.000 They gotta stop this.

01:34:14.000 They do have to stop.

01:34:15.000 But just the type of person that would say that... 0.98

01:34:19.000 Imagine being a governor, you're dealing with half your fucking state's on fire, like everyone's out of work, and you're like, you can't sing. 0.99

01:34:25.000 Don't sing. 0.99

01:34:26.000 That's absurd.

01:34:27.000 And your parties, you have to...

01:34:28.000 Wait, is this real?

01:34:29.000 They can't sing?

01:34:30.000 Yes, yes, yes.

01:34:32.000 Yes.

01:34:33.000 I saw this going around, too, and I didn't think it was real when I saw it.

01:34:35.000 Didn't look into it.

01:34:36.000 I'm looking into it now.

01:34:37.000 Yeah, look into it now.

01:34:38.000 That doesn't sound real.

01:34:39.000 There was something put out, but our favorite website, Snopes, says this is false. 0.98

01:34:43.000 Yeah, that's like some Facebook meme or some shit, Joe. 0.97

01:34:49.000 That's what that is. 0.96

01:34:50.000 No, no, no, don't say that unless you're sure.

01:34:52.000 Jamie's wrong all the time with this stuff, because he only Googles these lefty, liberal, fake news sites.

01:34:57.000 Snopes?

01:34:58.000 Snopes is a fake news site.

01:34:59.000 They get busted all the time for fake news.

01:35:01.000 Very biased, by the way, the guy who runs Snopes, like, he's a huge Democrat.

01:35:06.000 Like, the whole organization is heavily left-leaning.

01:35:09.000 But wait, but that didn't set the alarms off to you, the, oh, you can't sing? 1.00

01:35:13.000 What fucking government agency would do that? 1.00

01:35:15.000 Dude, I'm telling you. 1.00

01:35:16.000 You can't sing.

01:35:17.000 I'm telling you.

01:35:18.000 That's next.

01:35:18.000 I think maybe six months ago that might have been funny, but now it's like, now you're like, okay, I'm sure that's going to be next.

01:35:25.000 Yeah, I'm telling you, it was on Fox News.

01:35:27.000 Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.

01:35:28.000 Well, Fox News is certainly always right.

01:35:30.000 I'm not saying it wasn't being passed around, but I'm saying that it was being passed around under false pretenses.

01:35:34.000 On Fox News it says, no more than three households present, parties no longer than two hours, guests must stay outside, avoid singing, chanting, and shouting.

01:35:43.000 Yeah, but again, where is that coming from?

01:35:45.000 That's Fox News.

01:35:46.000 California Department of Public Health.

01:35:48.000 It's a quote from the California Department of Public Health. 1.00

01:35:50.000 Just Google it, you fuck, and don't interrupt Kyle anymore. 1.00

01:35:53.000 I did ask him that time. 1.00

01:35:55.000 I said that sounded fake.

01:35:57.000 You gotta look that up.

01:35:57.000 A meme circling on Facebook says this is not accurate.

01:36:00.000 Fuck Snopes. 1.00

01:36:02.000 Okay. 1.00

01:36:02.000 Celebrities rip California government Newsom. 1.00

01:36:06.000 Coronavirus is California.

01:36:08.000 Gavin Newsom's Thanksgiving rules.

01:36:10.000 Click on that.

01:36:10.000 That's Daily Mail, though.

01:36:13.000 But they are saying what I want to hear.

01:36:15.000 Do you not understand how this works?

01:36:17.000 This is like an experiment in, you know, ideological confirmation bias.

01:36:21.000 They're saying what I want to hear.

01:36:24.000 The guidelines, but there must be a link.

01:36:27.000 There never is a link is the problem with these.

01:36:30.000 Listen, Chuck Woolery is backing us up.

01:36:33.000 You're moving too fast.

01:36:34.000 Go back up.

01:36:34.000 Chuck Woolery.

01:36:35.000 There's all these dumb pop-ups there. 0.98

01:36:36.000 We'll be right back in two and two. 0.98

01:36:39.000 The order requires a host of...

01:36:41.000 Okay.

01:36:42.000 Announce ahead of Thanksgiving holiday to find gatherings in social situations, bring people together from different households at the same time in a single space or place.

01:36:52.000 The order requires that a host of private gatherings to limit attendance...

01:36:56.000 Stop! 1.00

01:36:57.000 You're moving so far.

01:36:58.000 I'm trying to find a link to find the order.

01:36:59.000 But you're moving while I'm reading.

01:37:00.000 You know that, right?

01:37:01.000 Well, here's the link that would tell us if this is accurate or not.

01:37:03.000 Okay, hit it.

01:37:03.000 Let's go.

01:37:06.000 California Department of Public Health.

01:37:07.000 Summary.

01:37:08.000 This provides an updated plan for California to gather outside their household and replaces the prior gatherings guidelines issued on September 12th.

01:37:19.000 Scroll up again.

01:37:21.000 Mandatory requirements for all gatherings.

01:37:23.000 Scroll up.

01:37:26.000 Of course it's frozen. 0.99

01:37:27.000 It's a goddamn California website. 1.00

01:37:29.000 Piece of shit. 1.00

01:37:31.000 How do they get rid of chanting when in California everyone's a Satanist? 1.00

01:37:35.000 And they need that occult chant.

01:37:38.000 That's a good question.

01:37:39.000 It's not considerate.

01:37:40.000 How funny is that that the website crashes?

01:37:42.000 We probably crashed the website.

01:37:43.000 Well, we're live.

01:37:43.000 Oh my god.

01:37:44.000 We're live.

01:37:45.000 Whoa, that's crazy.

01:37:47.000 I forgot we're live. 1.00

01:37:47.000 That's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:37:49.000 Okay, here we go. 0.99

01:37:50.000 Mandatory requirements for gathering.

01:37:52.000 Attendance.

01:37:53.000 Gatherings must include...

01:37:56.000 Gatherings that include more than three households are prohibited. 0.99

01:37:58.000 Okay, this is exactly what it said, Snopes, you fucks. 1.00

01:38:02.000 Stop. 1.00

01:38:03.000 Stop scrolling.

01:38:04.000 Keep the households that you interact with stable over time.

01:38:06.000 It was the singing thing I'm curious about.

01:38:09.000 By spending time with the same people, risk of transmission is reduced.

01:38:12.000 Okay, gather outdoors.

01:38:13.000 Gatherings that occur outdoors are significantly safer than indoor gatherings.

01:38:16.000 All gatherings must be held outside.

01:38:18.000 Again, that's what the thing said.

01:38:20.000 Attendees may go inside to use the restroom, as long as restrooms are frequently sanitized. 0.99

01:38:26.000 They're telling you you have to sanitize your fucking restroom if you want to go inside. 0.98

01:38:30.000 Gatherings may occur in outdoor spaces that are covered by umbrellas, canopies, awnings, roofs, and other shade structures that provide at least three sides of this space or 75% open to the outdoors. 0.99

01:38:42.000 This is fucking outrageous.

01:38:44.000 Okay, uh, buh-buh-buh-buh-buh, the COVID part is, um, I mean, gatherings of no more than three households is permitted. 0.99

01:38:52.000 In a public park or outdoor space.

01:38:55.000 If unrelated gatherings of other groups, up to three households, also occur in the same park or outdoor space.

01:39:02.000 If multiple such gatherings are occurring, mixing between the group gatherings is not allowed.

01:39:08.000 You can't mix with other people that you see at the park.

01:39:10.000 Additionally, multiple gatherings of three households cannot be jointly organized or coordinated to occur in the same public park.

01:39:19.000 Oh my god.

01:39:20.000 So what else does it say?

01:39:23.000 Scroll down.

01:39:24.000 Seating must provide at least six feet of distance in all directions.

01:39:28.000 Everyone at the gatherings should frequently wash their hands with soap and water. 0.99

01:39:31.000 Fucking duh. 0.96

01:39:32.000 Shared items should not be allowed during the gatherings as much as possible. 0.98

01:39:36.000 Any food or beverage outside gatherings must be in single-serve disposable containers.

01:39:40.000 Wear a face covering to keep COVID from spreading.

01:39:43.000 When gathering, face coverings must be worn in accordance with CDPH. No, CDPH. Unless exemptions are applicable, people at gatherings may remove the face covering briefly to eat or drink, as long as they stay at least six feet from everyone outside the room.

01:40:02.000 Yes! 0.99

01:40:03.000 Fuck Snopes! 1.00

01:40:04.000 Shut your mouth, Jamie! 1.00

01:40:06.000 You're a communist! 1.00

01:40:08.000 So here's my question.

01:40:09.000 Here's my question, Joe.

01:40:10.000 Singing, chanting, shouting, and physical exertion significantly increases the risk of COVID-19 because these activities increase the risk of release of respiratory droplets and fine aerosols in the air.

01:40:23.000 Because of this, singing, chanting, and shouting are strongly discouraged.

01:40:26.000 But if they occur, the following rules and recommendations apply.

01:40:30.000 All people who are singing and chanting should wear a face covering at all times while singing or chanting, including anyone who's leading a song or chant.

01:40:39.000 Got it.

01:40:39.000 Because these activities pose a very high risk of COVID-19 transmission, face coverings are essential to reduce the spread.

01:40:45.000 People who are singing, chanting, or exercising are strongly encouraged to maintain physical distancing beyond six feet.

01:40:52.000 Okay, so Joe, first of all, yes, that's silly, you win.

01:40:55.000 But here's the question.

01:40:56.000 Thank you, I like hearing that.

01:40:57.000 It's true, I mean, yeah.

01:40:59.000 Say it again, Jamie.

01:40:59.000 It says...

01:41:00.000 It's true.

01:41:01.000 It says singing.

01:41:02.000 Snopes is wrong.

01:41:03.000 So, but here's the question, though.

01:41:04.000 It's crazy.

01:41:04.000 Like, are they just listing this to try to be, like, a helicopter parent to say, this is what you should do?

01:41:08.000 Or is there actually an enforcement mechanism where they're gonna have the LAPD knock on your door?

01:41:12.000 Well, there's too many people.

01:41:13.000 Right, they can't do it.

01:41:14.000 But they have done that to large gatherings in California.

01:41:16.000 They shut down the TikTok house, and these people are patriots.

01:41:22.000 They were having a party, and they shut down, I think the Sway House, I believe it's called, and they were having a party, and they cut the water off to the TikTok house.

01:41:32.000 That's rude.

01:41:33.000 Yeah, but that's crazy. 1.00

01:41:35.000 What if everybody had a shit? 1.00

01:41:37.000 Right. 1.00

01:41:38.000 Aren't they, when they shut it off, isn't it like these giant fucking parties where everybody's two inches away from each other, breathing on each other? 0.99

01:41:44.000 Yeah, but you know what? 0.99

01:41:45.000 That's America.

01:41:46.000 Hey, I'm not, listen, I'm not arguing against it.

01:41:48.000 I'm just asking the question.

01:41:49.000 Isn't that their reasoning?

01:41:50.000 You have to be near a person because it's a group dance.

01:41:54.000 So you can't, social distance, you're not in frame.

01:41:57.000 Yeah, how are you going to TikTok when you're six feet away from you?

01:42:00.000 Kyle, these are 17-year-old millionaires. 0.99

01:42:03.000 They don't give a shit about COVID. Yeah, they're not going to be sick. 0.99

01:42:05.000 They really are 17-year-old millionaires.

01:42:07.000 They're trillionaires.

01:42:07.000 They're fine.

01:42:08.000 And they're TikTok-ing.

01:42:09.000 I love how they're like, hey, Thanksgiving in the park, 30% of California is homeless.

01:42:13.000 I know, right?

01:42:14.000 See what I'm saying with Snopes?

01:42:16.000 You've got to be careful with that.

01:42:17.000 No, you're right.

01:42:17.000 That's definitely...

01:42:18.000 What you said it is, is what it is.

01:42:20.000 I guess my only question is...

01:42:21.000 Snopes splits hairs.

01:42:22.000 ...the enforcement mechanism.

01:42:23.000 They'll say false if it doesn't align with their ideals.

01:42:27.000 Listen...

01:42:27.000 I think you're 100% right.

01:42:29.000 My only point was, I also show caution when it's fucking Fox News. 0.99

01:42:33.000 Because, you know, Sean Hannity's not exactly this bastion of fucking intelligence. 0.98

01:42:37.000 I think when they print it on the screen, it has to be true. 0.97

01:42:43.000 I worked at, they had me on Red Eye, the show there, and I used to wear a tie, and I got to say whatever I want.

01:42:48.000 I think it's a great institution.

01:42:50.000 Well, Tucker Carlson's doing something right.

01:42:53.000 It's true.

01:42:54.000 He's the number one show in the news.

01:42:57.000 Bill O'Reilly was number one before him. 0.99

01:42:59.000 He was number one for fucking years. 0.99

01:43:02.000 He did a lot of things besides all of the rape. 1.00

01:43:06.000 That's the bad thing. 0.83

01:43:08.000 The loofah.

01:43:08.000 The loofah thing.

01:43:09.000 Remember that?

01:43:09.000 But people are complex.

01:43:10.000 I would like to pay the girl who got $32 million. 0.98

01:43:14.000 $34 million.

01:43:14.000 I'd like to give her $35.

01:43:16.000 Yeah.

01:43:16.000 To tell the story.

01:43:17.000 Just to find out what he did.

01:43:19.000 Wasn't it just like, you know, he was trying to flirt and he called a loofah a falafel by accident?

01:43:23.000 No, I think he did something.

01:43:23.000 That happened.

01:43:24.000 That definitely happened.

01:43:25.000 He did do that, but I do think that for $32 million, there's bodies buried.

01:43:29.000 Like, he did something so crazy.

01:43:30.000 Yeah.

01:43:31.000 That's so much money.

01:43:32.000 I can see that.

01:43:32.000 That's a lot of money.

01:43:33.000 Yeah.

01:43:34.000 She has, like, the possession in her, possession tapes, something, or like, True Detective season one.

01:43:40.000 I mean, it's bad.

01:43:41.000 It's gotta be crazy.

01:43:41.000 I mean, when you pay that much money, you're really trying to bury something.

01:43:44.000 You're guilty.

01:43:45.000 You gotta be.

01:43:45.000 You are guilty.

01:43:46.000 But he's still doing really well with his political show online, apparently.

01:43:50.000 Why are you making that face? 0.99

01:43:51.000 Because who the fuck's watching Bill O'Reilly? 0.99

01:43:53.000 Well, we researched this. 0.99

01:43:55.000 Really?

01:43:55.000 Millions of years.

01:43:56.000 Well, he does all these books.

01:43:57.000 He writes all these books with that guy Martin Dugard, and the books are like, Killing Stalin.

01:44:01.000 Killing Kennedy. 0.83

01:44:02.000 Killing my mom. 1.00

01:44:03.000 Killing Princess Di. 1.00

01:44:04.000 Killing the woman I paid $34 million to. 0.99

01:44:09.000 He makes a lot of money. 0.98

01:44:11.000 He does, yeah. 1.00

01:44:12.000 He makes a lot of money on those stupid books. 1.00

01:44:14.000 Yeah, they were bestsellers. 1.00

01:44:15.000 Because who reads?

01:44:16.000 Old people that hate leftists. 0.99

01:44:17.000 Which is why I'm surprised that his fucking thing online is doing well. 0.99

01:44:21.000 Because, you know, there's like... 0.99

01:44:22.000 It was all geriatric people watching him. 0.93

01:44:24.000 No disrespect to geriatric people.

01:44:25.000 I love you.

01:44:26.000 I think he probably gets commensurate numbers to you.

01:44:27.000 I think he's doing better than you.

01:44:29.000 I would be surprised if he's doing better than me in terms of viewership.

01:44:32.000 No, you're doing very well, but I really think he is.

01:44:34.000 And where's he primarily hosting his show?

01:44:37.000 Well, I don't know if he's on YouTube, but he's on BillOReilly.com, right?

01:44:42.000 We looked it up.

01:44:43.000 So it's his own website?

01:44:44.000 Yeah, I remember Jamie and I looked it up once.

01:44:46.000 That's even more impressive.

01:44:47.000 It was about a year and a half ago.

01:44:48.000 We were stunned by the number of views on each page, on each video.

01:44:51.000 That's even more impressive if he did it on his own website because that's hard to do.

01:44:54.000 Usually you have to go to a thing that hosts it.

01:44:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:57.000 Like everybody knows, go to YouTube and see stuff or whatever.

01:45:00.000 Isn't it amazing that YouTube has a solid lockdown on that?

01:45:05.000 It is, yeah.

01:45:05.000 They are the number one platform on planet Earth for people just uploading videos.

01:45:10.000 There's no one even close.

01:45:11.000 And I don't think they're handling the responsibility of it well because they've tweaked algorithms to deprioritize what they call borderline outlets.

01:45:20.000 And that's you.

01:45:21.000 That's definitely me.

01:45:22.000 Now...

01:45:23.000 What makes you borderline?

01:45:25.000 Because you're not with a giant organization?

01:45:27.000 I really think that that's probably it.

01:45:29.000 The fact that I don't answer to anybody on my own person.

01:45:32.000 I could say whatever I want, whenever I want.

01:45:34.000 And simply put, they don't know what's going to come out of my mouth.

01:45:37.000 Right.

01:45:38.000 But let me push back on that.

01:45:39.000 They don't do anything to me.

01:45:42.000 Then I'm impressed.

01:45:43.000 They don't.

01:45:44.000 Seriously, I'm impressed by that then.

01:45:45.000 But think about that. 0.81

01:45:46.000 I mean, my videos get fucking insane numbers. 0.92

01:45:48.000 They really do. 0.87

01:45:49.000 They do really well.

01:45:49.000 So how is that?

01:45:50.000 That doesn't make sense.

01:45:50.000 I don't know, man.

01:45:51.000 You have to talk to them.

01:45:52.000 But what I'm convinced of is that there's different levels to how much they prioritize you and how much the algorithm pushes you out to new people.

01:46:00.000 And, you know, I've actually talked about this.

01:46:02.000 We mentioned Jimmy Dore earlier.

01:46:03.000 Him and I have had a thousand conversations about this where we know other channels that were similar size to us.

01:46:07.000 And we were chugging along all at basically the same rate.

01:46:11.000 And then out of nowhere, when I was gaining 30 or 40,000 new subscribers a month, it's flowed to 6,000.

01:46:17.000 Is it possible that it's less nefarious and that they made some sort of a deal with just political outlets across the board?

01:46:24.000 Well, that is it, because they admitted it.

01:46:26.000 They actually released it.

01:46:27.000 They have this thing where they tell you what they're going to do, and one of the things they said is, in order to combat fake news, they want to make sure that the stuff that gets recommended is the respected outlets, namely CNN, Fox News, MSNBC. I listen to your shit. 0.99

01:46:42.000 I watch your videos all the time. 1.00

01:46:44.000 They never get recommended to me.

01:46:46.000 Exactly.

01:46:47.000 That's exactly it.

01:46:47.000 Why don't you go on the dark web?

01:46:49.000 But...

01:46:50.000 Because then you're selling...

01:46:51.000 The next video is a pedo-jerking off.

01:46:54.000 Exactly.

01:46:54.000 You want to be independent.

01:46:55.000 But you're really independent.

01:46:57.000 Your videos get recommended occasionally.

01:46:59.000 I should be really honest about this.

01:47:01.000 But Jimmy Dores get recommended all the time to me.

01:47:04.000 It could just be that you watch more of him than me because, honestly, as long as you're a subscriber and you watch my stuff, then they will recommend it to you.

01:47:12.000 The issue is they don't recommend it that much to new viewers.

01:47:16.000 So it used to be if you're watching a CNN video or you're watching some other news outlet, they could recommend one of my videos because I used to get better views than they do.

01:47:25.000 Now they pump theirs out all the time and they surpass me.

01:47:27.000 So that would be non-religious.

01:47:28.000 So people have never looked at you at all.

01:47:30.000 Yes, so new people.

01:47:32.000 You're not getting that.

01:47:33.000 Right, that's right.

01:47:34.000 See, back, get this, during the 2016 election, 2016, I was gaining 30,000 to 40,000 subscribers a month.

01:47:40.000 Now it's like 6,000.

01:47:42.000 And other channels that are not deprioritized are still gaining that or more.

01:47:48.000 40,000, 50,000.

01:47:50.000 Do you think there's...

01:47:51.000 What happens if someone like CNN puts out information that's demonstrably false?

01:47:56.000 See, then that's the next point that I was going to make, which is it's ridiculous that they even have this notion that like, well, these are the real outlets and these are the fake outlets.

01:48:04.000 Listen, you brought up Russiagate before.

01:48:06.000 From the beginning, I was saying, here's what's going to happen with Russiagate.

01:48:09.000 Absolutely nothing.

01:48:10.000 The people were thinking that Donald Trump was going to get pulled out of- How did you know that?

01:48:12.000 I just followed the evidence, Joe!

01:48:14.000 It's not that difficult!

01:48:15.000 You just have to look at whatever- Hey, don't, don't get- I'm sorry, I'm getting mad. 0.99

01:48:18.000 Whatever the intelligence agencies say, usually it's bullshit. 1.00

01:48:21.000 These are the same people who lied us into the fucking Iraq war. 1.00

01:48:23.000 Now I'm supposed to listen to them when they tell me that the president's a Manchurian candidate? 0.99

01:48:26.000 Right.

01:48:27.000 There's an old saying, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

01:48:30.000 They didn't present any real evidence. 1.00

01:48:31.000 It was just a bunch of screaming idiots like Rachel Maddow every night. 1.00

01:48:34.000 Did you see Ted Cruz cross-examining Comey about testimony about Russia, about evidence that was emails that were edited? 1.00

01:48:47.000 And the emails were edited to imply a completely different outcome than what the email actually said?

01:48:56.000 Yeah, I did not see that.

01:48:57.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:48:58.000 But that's a battle of smug motherfuckers there. 1.00

01:49:00.000 Comey versus Cruise. 1.00

01:49:01.000 It is, but I really respected Ted Cruz for that conversation.

01:49:05.000 It was stunning.

01:49:06.000 Yeah.

01:49:07.000 It was stunning.

01:49:07.000 It was stunning listening to them saying, you know, Comey was just basically, I don't recall that.

01:49:12.000 This is not what I'm aware of.

01:49:15.000 And, you know, Cruise reads off of the email.

01:49:18.000 He reads the actual real original email, and then he reads the email that was submitted as evidence and how it was edited.

01:49:25.000 Right.

01:49:25.000 It's disturbing.

01:49:26.000 It's incredibly disturbing.

01:49:28.000 That someone in the intelligence community could get away with that.

01:49:31.000 Whoever did it.

01:49:32.000 Whoever edited that.

01:49:33.000 Just to make Trump look like a bad guy.

01:49:35.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:49:35.000 They lie all the time, Joe.

01:49:37.000 Just because they're, you know, oh, they're official and they don't curse like I do or whatever.

01:49:41.000 And they seem like they're more relaxed when they talk. 0.99

01:49:44.000 They're liars. 0.75

01:49:45.000 And CNN oftentimes puts out stuff that's completely untrue. 0.95

01:49:48.000 All the mainstream media outlets do.

01:49:50.000 And there's, you know...

01:49:52.000 There's never a moment of reckoning where it's like, okay, well, that was fake news, actually.

01:49:57.000 And what the independent guys were saying was actually correct.

01:49:59.000 Was it you that was telling me that Brian Stelter was saying, don't listen to other news outlets?

01:50:06.000 It wasn't me, but I do know what you're talking about.

01:50:08.000 I was having a conversation with someone.

01:50:10.000 They were telling me that he literally was saying, don't listen to other news outlets because they're not going to tell you the truth.

01:50:16.000 We're going to tell you the truth.

01:50:17.000 That sounds like a cult thing, right?

01:50:19.000 Doesn't it?

01:50:19.000 That's what it does.

01:50:20.000 It does sound like a cult thing.

01:50:21.000 But when they've been wrong and haven't told you the truth about a number of things that are provable.

01:50:27.000 Look at Syria. 0.75

01:50:27.000 There's another great example. 0.75

01:50:29.000 How long were they telling us about Syria?

01:50:31.000 That, you know, oh, Assad did a gas attack against his own people.

01:50:34.000 And then you have whistleblowers who were doing the investigations who were like, this is not true at all.

01:50:40.000 And then they never correct themselves.

01:50:42.000 Meanwhile, then there's people like me and there's people like Jimmy who are like, that's not, they're wrong about this.

01:50:46.000 And we get deprioritized when we say stuff like that.

01:50:49.000 There's never a moment where it's like, oh, actually, they were right.

01:50:51.000 It's interesting because you have to stay independent.

01:50:53.000 And so does Jimmy.

01:50:54.000 Like, people like you, there's no way Jimmy Dore could do that show if he was on some sort of a coordinated network.

01:51:00.000 Can't have a boss.

01:51:01.000 No way.

01:51:02.000 He's too wild.

01:51:02.000 I can't have one either.

01:51:04.000 I'm not going to listen to somebody tell me, say this or don't say this.

01:51:06.000 But Jimmy Dore, like you said, he spits fire. 0.95

01:51:09.000 He gets crazy.

01:51:10.000 Right, yeah.

01:51:10.000 He gets crazy.

01:51:11.000 He says some wild shit. 1.00

01:51:14.000 And, you know, like, because he's a comedian as well. 1.00

01:51:17.000 I know, yeah, you can see that influence when he talks.

01:51:19.000 I would like a boss.

01:51:20.000 I would like to be sponsored by Chase Manhattan or Citigroup or a company with I hear they say well.

01:51:28.000 One of the best conspiracy theories from the podcast we did with Alex is they think that there's a woman's voice in one of the clips saying, relax, we're here, we're here.

01:51:39.000 It's actually me?

01:51:41.000 I had to double check on that last night.

01:51:42.000 You had to double check it?

01:51:43.000 I wanted to make sure.

01:51:45.000 I was like, maybe something slid in there that I didn't know about.

01:51:47.000 They think it was like an alien?

01:51:48.000 Maybe someone's in my ear.

01:51:50.000 Like there's someone directing the show.

01:51:52.000 Someone from Spotify. 0.99

01:51:53.000 Like someone directing the show with Alex fucking Jones and Tim fucking Dylan and me. 0.97

01:51:58.000 That must drive you crazy that it couldn't be more obvious that there's no steering that ship and people are accusing you of like, obviously somebody's steering it. 0.99

01:52:06.000 It's the most ridiculous steering too. 0.95

01:52:08.000 It's me telling Alex, relax, we're here, relax, we're here. 0.99

01:52:12.000 And they're like, it's a woman's voice.

01:52:13.000 You hear that?

01:52:13.000 Here's a woman's voice.

01:52:14.000 Like, I had a friend send this to me.

01:52:18.000 Cameron Haynes.

01:52:19.000 Cameron Haynes sent it to me.

01:52:20.000 He goes, play this.

01:52:21.000 He goes, what is that voice? 1.00

01:52:22.000 I go, that's me, motherfucker. 1.00

01:52:24.000 That's me going, relax. 1.00

01:52:25.000 We're here.

01:52:26.000 Relax.

01:52:27.000 There's a woman's voice.

01:52:28.000 There's a woman's voice!

01:52:30.000 I love Spotify being like, listen, nothing's gonna change about the show.

01:52:33.000 We are gonna have a woman in your ear for three hours. 1.00

01:52:36.000 And she's gonna tell people to relax.

01:52:39.000 And she's just gonna remind you that Spotify's here.

01:52:41.000 Other than that, nothing changes.

01:52:42.000 I saw your video on that with the pink hair and the... 0.94

01:52:44.000 Yeah.

01:52:46.000 Yeah.

01:52:47.000 Well, they're fun.

01:52:48.000 The tech people are fun.

01:52:49.000 I mean, you gotta laugh at this.

01:52:51.000 You gotta enjoy it.

01:52:51.000 What I worry about is there's far too many people that aren't going to enjoy what's clearly the end of the country and treat it with laughter.

01:52:59.000 And I think they're going to go out and try to kill each other and ruin businesses and ruin property instead of just accepting that this was a good run, that we had a fun run as an empire.

01:53:09.000 And now it's kind of coming apart.

01:53:10.000 But everything's not horrible.

01:53:12.000 There's still certain niceties.

01:53:14.000 It really is coming apart, for sure.

01:53:15.000 Filet of fish.

01:53:16.000 It is coming apart.

01:53:18.000 I saw some violence today at one of the polls in North Carolina.

01:53:21.000 What do you got here, James?

01:53:22.000 I was just throwing it up there, the...

01:53:24.000 As of this moment, which, whatever, it's almost 8.30, Trump is leading the popular vote, but not the electoral college vote.

01:53:33.000 Trump is ahead 26 million.

01:53:35.000 That's not going to hold.

01:53:36.000 25 million.

01:53:37.000 There's a 0% chance that that holds. 0.99

01:53:40.000 Someone sounds like a fucking expert over here. 0.99

01:53:43.000 Have we gotten any more? 0.99

01:53:45.000 Can I see the rest of the states?

01:53:46.000 Yeah, right.

01:53:46.000 Scroll down, we see all the states.

01:53:48.000 Wait a minute, Wyoming went red.

01:53:50.000 That's weird.

01:53:54.000 I can't believe that.

01:53:55.000 That's so odd.

01:53:56.000 Jamie, can you show me how much of the Texas vote is in by hovering over the Texas thing?

01:54:03.000 63%. 0.98

01:54:04.000 Are you fucking kidding me? 0.99

01:54:05.000 Dude, that's crazy. 0.99

01:54:06.000 Yeah, but look how close it is.

01:54:07.000 Yeah, but Democrats are supposed to lose it by 15 points, Joe.

01:54:10.000 I know, but look at it.

01:54:12.000 49 to 49. 49.6 to 49.1.

01:54:14.000 That's real close.

01:54:15.000 I know, but it should be Donald Trump plus 15 then. 1.00

01:54:18.000 Yeah, because all my fucking asshole people moved here from California. 1.00

01:54:21.000 This is Joe Rogan's fault. 1.00

01:54:22.000 Yeah.

01:54:22.000 It's not my fault, but people like me, the looting and the pandemic, so we're done.

01:54:28.000 We're out of here.

01:54:29.000 Missouri's blue?

01:54:31.000 Missouri?

01:54:31.000 No, that's not going to hold.

01:54:32.000 How much is in?

01:54:33.000 16%.

01:54:33.000 Yeah, I don't think that's going to hold.

01:54:35.000 If Biden wins Texas, it's over, right?

01:54:36.000 Yes, there's no prayer for Trump if Biden wins Texas.

01:54:39.000 What if Biden wins Texas, Joe?

01:54:41.000 You've got to pack up and go home.

01:54:42.000 What do I do?

01:54:43.000 He's going to come on the podcast and he's going to barely speak coherently.

01:54:49.000 You have a nice few months.

01:54:50.000 I think there's a reason why Texas is fun and I don't think you can have that with a Democrat.

01:54:55.000 You can't.

01:54:56.000 Yeah, but what's he going to do?

01:54:57.000 He's not going to force Texas to do...

01:54:59.000 The last Democrat was what?

01:55:01.000 Ann Richards here?

01:55:02.000 The last Democratic, what, governor?

01:55:04.000 Yeah.

01:55:04.000 Oh, I have no idea.

01:55:05.000 Ann Richards.

01:55:06.000 I think it was Ann Richards.

01:55:07.000 Yeah.

01:55:08.000 And George W. Bush.

01:55:08.000 Who seemed like a Republican.

01:55:10.000 That's what happens in red states. 0.58

01:55:12.000 It's like Joe Manchin.

01:55:14.000 Yeah, Joe Manchin is a West Virginia Democrat.

01:55:16.000 He's basically a Republican. 0.96

01:55:17.000 Look at Austin, disgusting and blue. 0.98

01:55:19.000 Just sitting there like a big blue zit in the middle of the city. 0.98

01:55:22.000 Dallas, all the big cities, Joe.

01:55:24.000 That's what happens.

01:55:25.000 All the big cities go left and all the rural areas go right.

01:55:28.000 But isn't that the case with...

01:55:29.000 I mean, that's the whole reason why New York and California...

01:55:31.000 We were talking about that before, that big cities always go blue.

01:55:35.000 Always.

01:55:35.000 Why?

01:55:36.000 Usually they're younger.

01:55:38.000 People are closer together.

01:55:41.000 But why does that make people democratic?

01:55:43.000 I mean, listen, there's something to be said about if you live the kind of rural lifestyle, it's almost like, and I don't mean this in a derogatory way at all, but I'm saying, like, you're the townie of the area, you know what I mean?

01:55:55.000 I don't mean it like that, because I'm a townie, I'm still in the place where I grew up, you know?

01:55:59.000 Just, I guess, not in a rural area, more in a more city, suburban type area, but anyway.

01:56:03.000 You're saying that the people that live in cities are more civilized.

01:56:06.000 No.

01:56:07.000 That's what I heard.

01:56:08.000 That's kind of what I heard.

01:56:09.000 Then it did not come out right.

01:56:10.000 No, I really think that there's something to do with population density.

01:56:14.000 It has a lot to do with it.

01:56:15.000 The closer you are to other people, you feel like, whoa, whoa, we've got to have some rules to make sure this thing kind of goes smoothly.

01:56:20.000 Whereas you don't need that many rules when the nearest person to you is five miles away.

01:56:25.000 You don't want people telling you what to do.

01:56:29.000 I'd like to get someone who really understands that, to explain it.

01:56:32.000 Some sort of sociologist.

01:56:33.000 It's always been like that.

01:56:34.000 In cities, you need more government, right?

01:56:37.000 Yes, you need more government in cities.

01:56:42.000 There's an interdependence in cities that doesn't exist outside of them.

01:56:45.000 That's right.

01:56:46.000 So when you have that interdependence, you need some type of regulatory, whatever it is, action that enforces those things so that everybody benefits or the great majority of people benefit. 0.54

01:56:58.000 When you're in the suburbs or the rural areas, people are more likely to be like, hey, leave me the fuck alone.

01:57:05.000 Well, that's why it's even more fascinating that Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, was the governor at one point in time.

01:57:10.000 Yeah, because people had had it, right?

01:57:12.000 Rudy Giuliani got elected in New York when people had had it.

01:57:15.000 So I think when people have had it...

01:57:16.000 Well, they're going to have it after this.

01:57:17.000 They're going to have it after this.

01:57:19.000 There was 2,800 homicides the year Giuliani got in.

01:57:22.000 That's like eight a day.

01:57:23.000 And Giuliani got elected, and then what happened was that shift started decreasing.

01:57:29.000 But aren't they tracking higher than that now in New York?

01:57:31.000 They probably will.

01:57:32.000 I don't know if they're tracking higher than that, but the crime is skyrocketing.

01:57:36.000 Yeah, and de Blasio defunded the police.

01:57:38.000 Well, this whole idea of, like, if you get rid of cops and give social workers the job of police, it's going to work out well, that seems to be a little childish.

01:57:49.000 Yeah, the de Blasio thing seemed more like an accounting trick.

01:57:53.000 Where he was trying to say to the activists, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I did the thing you wanted me to do, but he didn't really substantively address the funding for the police.

01:58:01.000 I sent you an article on that a while ago.

01:58:03.000 Right, so what is the, to break it down for Dunn?

01:58:05.000 We could try to pull up the article to see the details of it, but basically he just used, he shuffled money from one part of the police department to another agency where he could say, oh, I defunded the police, but the money's being used for the same thing.

01:58:17.000 It is amazing how blue Texas looks.

01:58:22.000 I'm floored by that.

01:58:23.000 That's a political realignment that is wow if that happens.

01:58:27.000 Listen, they've been saying for a long time that this might happen.

01:58:29.000 I just didn't think it would happen this quickly.

01:58:31.000 I didn't think it would be by 2020 that this happens.

01:58:34.000 Because that would mean if Texas stays blue, right?

01:58:38.000 He's done.

01:58:40.000 Yeah, if Biden wins Texas, it's over.

01:58:42.000 No way.

01:58:42.000 There's no way Trump can win.

01:58:43.000 There's no path for Trump.

01:58:44.000 No path.

01:58:45.000 If Trump loses Florida, it's over.

01:58:49.000 How's he doing in Florida?

01:58:52.000 Slightly, but they say it's too close to Colby's winning.

01:58:54.000 I wish there was someone I could root for in this election.

01:58:56.000 I really do.

01:58:58.000 I'm having fun in the idea that Trump could win again just because so many people that despise him I think are annoying.

01:59:04.000 But I don't really want him to win.

01:59:06.000 Right.

01:59:07.000 You know what you're going to get, and it's chaos.

01:59:09.000 It's chaos.

01:59:10.000 It's chaos with Biden, too.

01:59:12.000 But it's a different kind of chaos. 0.99

01:59:14.000 He's a zombie. 1.00

01:59:15.000 His brain doesn't work. 1.00

01:59:16.000 But you don't worry about a tweet at 4 a.m.

01:59:19.000 I love those tweets.

01:59:20.000 But then you get someone who you didn't elect who runs the country.

01:59:24.000 That's where it gets really weird.

01:59:26.000 Yeah.

01:59:26.000 I mean, listen.

01:59:27.000 No, no, no. 0.93

01:59:27.000 I mean, if Biden is incompetent... 0.93

01:59:30.000 You're saying so it's the people around him running the country.

01:59:33.000 I get what you're saying.

01:59:33.000 This is something that Tim Pool brought up, and I didn't think he was right, but I thought it was a weird thing to bring up.

01:59:39.000 An interesting thing I should say to bring up.

01:59:41.000 The 25th Amendment, the idea that the president's unfit.

01:59:43.000 If the president's unfit, that they could exercise that with Biden.

01:59:47.000 No way.

01:59:47.000 No, no.

01:59:48.000 First of all, Tim, they tried to do this.

01:59:50.000 There's Democrats who were talking about doing this with Trump.

01:59:53.000 Yes.

01:59:53.000 And the point that I made and a lot of other people made is, once you open that door of like, oh, I think this person's mentally unfit, mentally incompetent, so I don't care what the voters said, I'm going to override them because I think I'm some sort of expert.

02:00:05.000 Yeah.

02:00:05.000 There's no shutting that door.

02:00:07.000 Every single president will have the opposing party say, we're going to go after him because he's not mentally fit.

02:00:12.000 Whether or not it's true.

02:00:13.000 Isn't that a thing where people who want to take over power, they look at the person in power and they try to find a way that they can do it, but they don't understand that that could be used on them.

02:00:22.000 Exactly.

02:00:23.000 This is the argument that I was making to those dummies that were running Chaz in Seattle. 0.94

02:00:28.000 I was saying, do you understand now that you said you could take people's property by force, Right.

02:00:33.000 You can enforce your own laws, you can make your own country inside of a country, and you can put up boundaries and borders, and you can enforce those laws with violence.

02:00:41.000 Well, guess what?

02:00:42.000 Now you've opened up the door to someone doing that to you.

02:00:45.000 That's exactly right.

02:00:46.000 Because they don't have to have any sort of legal precedent.

02:00:48.000 They don't have to have any legislative powers.

02:00:51.000 They just have to have force.

02:00:52.000 Force and violence.

02:00:53.000 That's right.

02:00:53.000 People struggle with doing the thought exercises of a universality to their actions.

02:00:59.000 You know, and this is actually what I brought up earlier with Trump.

02:01:01.000 I always talk about the Obama campaign was spying on me.

02:01:03.000 This is crazy.

02:01:04.000 It's like, yeah, and the NSA is still spying on all Americans.

02:01:07.000 Maybe you should do something about that.

02:01:08.000 Right, like pardon Snowden.

02:01:09.000 Is Chaz done now officially?

02:01:10.000 Pardon Snowden, Assange as well.

02:01:12.000 Pardon Snowden, pardon Assange.

02:01:13.000 Yeah, yeah, but they won't do that.

02:01:15.000 You know, that's the case with that whole thing that you're talking about where people want to do something to someone and don't understand that those things can happen back to them.

02:01:23.000 That always applies to violence.

02:01:25.000 Absolutely. 1.00

02:01:26.000 I'll go punch that guy in the head. 1.00

02:01:28.000 Stop there. 1.00

02:01:29.000 Doesn't end there.

02:01:30.000 Doesn't stop there.

02:01:31.000 That's right.

02:01:32.000 The violence is a long domino.

02:01:34.000 The violence from the Civil War, that lasted for decades where people were still murdering people from the other side that killed their kinfolk.

02:01:41.000 That's right.

02:01:42.000 The whole punch a Nazi. 0.99

02:01:43.000 Everybody was like, punch a Nazi. 0.97

02:01:44.000 That was the worst. 0.98

02:01:45.000 By people who should never even think about punching anybody. 0.96

02:01:48.000 They were all running around punching Nazis.

02:01:50.000 Right. 0.85

02:01:50.000 You don't know how to punch, first of all. 0.85

02:01:52.000 You have to think about violence, and I'm curious to know what your thoughts are on this, in a principled way.

02:01:57.000 So what I mean by that is you have to have a standard, and the standard that I've always defaulted to is only in cases of self-defense from imminent attack, basically.

02:02:07.000 And I think that doctrine works well in your personal life, and I think that doctrine works well as a foreign policy for the entire country.

02:02:14.000 Yes.

02:02:14.000 That, hey, the only time we're going to send people to fight and die is when there's really some legit threat of attack against us.

02:02:20.000 100%.

02:02:21.000 I agree 100%. 0.99

02:02:22.000 But I also think that the people that are calling for violence that don't understand violence, they're so crazy. 0.74

02:02:29.000 You're literally like a child who is calling for a fight with someone who knows how to fight. 0.73

02:02:36.000 Like, if you call for violence in this country, there are...

02:02:39.000 What are the number of veterans in this country?

02:02:42.000 I mean, it's got to be more than a million.

02:02:45.000 There are so many people in this country that really understand violence.

02:02:49.000 And they're not the ones calling for violence.

02:02:51.000 They're not the punching Nazi people.

02:02:53.000 Right. 1.00

02:02:53.000 The people that really understand violence and have seen violence and have committed violence for their country, those are the motherfuckers that you break glass in case of war. 1.00

02:03:03.000 You need them. 0.99

02:03:03.000 And people don't understand that. 0.99

02:03:05.000 These people running around calling for violence, calling for a revolution. 1.00

02:03:12.000 You are going to open a door that you can never close, and when those fucking soldiers come pouring out of that door, and they want to defend what they think is an attack on their freedoms and their country, you're fucked. 0.99

02:03:24.000 Yeah, and again, that's why I'm happy to get back to the point I made earlier, that we have so many good distractions that I don't think we're going to get to the point of a civil war. 1.00

02:03:32.000 God, I hope not. 0.93

02:03:33.000 I think Netflix kind of sucks recently. 0.88

02:03:36.000 Like, a lot of shows are not that good. 0.95

02:03:38.000 The late night shows are...

02:03:39.000 Hold on, hold on.

02:03:39.000 I would rather do a Civil War than listen to Fallon.

02:03:42.000 What about Cobra...

02:03:42.000 I actually agree with that.

02:03:43.000 I agree with that.

02:03:44.000 What about Cobra...

02:03:45.000 I think he agrees with that.

02:03:46.000 I think Fallon is like, please.

02:03:48.000 I know, please.

02:03:49.000 Give me a musket.

02:03:50.000 I know I'm not good.

02:03:51.000 Cobra Kai.

02:03:51.000 If you watch Cobra Kai...

02:03:52.000 Cobra Kai's great. 0.99

02:03:52.000 It's fucking great. 0.99

02:03:53.000 That's great. 0.99

02:03:53.000 There's a few things that are good. 0.99

02:03:54.000 I didn't watch that.

02:03:55.000 Cobra Kai's like a time warp.

02:03:56.000 It's like you go like...

02:03:57.000 It's really good, yeah.

02:03:57.000 It's like an 80s movie, but it's a scene.

02:03:59.000 Breaking news.

02:04:01.000 Marijuana...

02:04:02.000 Legalization referendum way ahead in New Jersey.

02:04:05.000 Yes! 1.00

02:04:06.000 Fuck you, Chris Christie! 1.00

02:04:08.000 How about that, Chris? 1.00

02:04:10.000 Well, listen, here's the reality.

02:04:11.000 Chris Christie's a healthy guy and he wants to keep people healthy.

02:04:13.000 He beat COVID. That should be the end of the lockdown right there.

02:04:16.000 He did beat COVID. He did beat COVID. I want whatever drugs they got.

02:04:20.000 Well, I have a friend who's 80 and he just beat it.

02:04:23.000 Did he take the drug? 1.00

02:04:24.000 He didn't take shit. 1.00

02:04:25.000 He took some IV vitamins. 1.00

02:04:27.000 He said he was sick for four days.

02:04:29.000 Wowzer.

02:04:30.000 New Jersey government, Phil Murphy, is highly confident marijuana will be legal.

02:04:34.000 Look at him clapping. 0.99

02:04:35.000 I'm gonna get high as fuck now. 0.99

02:04:37.000 So Joe, let me give you... 1.00

02:04:38.000 High as fuck! 1.00

02:04:39.000 That's what he's saying right now. 1.00

02:04:40.000 Woo! 0.99

02:04:42.000 Let me give you...

02:04:43.000 I'll tell you about the direct ballot initiatives if you want, Joe.

02:04:46.000 We got weed in a bunch of places.

02:04:48.000 So we got legalizing weed in Arizona.

02:04:51.000 Yeah.

02:04:51.000 Legalizing weed in Montana.

02:04:53.000 Woo! 0.99

02:04:53.000 And in New Jersey. 0.99

02:04:54.000 That's three.

02:04:55.000 And then also I think we have South Dakota and Mississippi are voting on medical marijuana.

02:05:01.000 Not legal recreational, but medical.

02:05:03.000 They don't even have medical there yet.

02:05:05.000 And then apparently the polls show that all five of those are likely to pass.

02:05:09.000 Yeah!

02:05:11.000 Go Montana! 0.53

02:05:12.000 This gets to a point, in our last podcast we spoke about this, direct ballot initiatives, there's never been a better idea, because usually when you put things directly to the people, they're overwhelmingly reasonable and sensible.

02:05:26.000 Yeah.

02:05:27.000 Here we go.

02:05:27.000 DC Initiative 81, decriminalize psychedelic plants.

02:05:31.000 Oh shit. 0.99

02:05:31.000 Wow. 0.99

02:05:32.000 And fungi.

02:05:33.000 Look at the numbers.

02:05:35.000 76%.

02:05:35.000 Oh, oh.

02:05:36.000 Yeah, and in Oregon, they're voting on decriminalizing all drugs.

02:05:40.000 All drugs.

02:05:41.000 In small amounts.

02:05:41.000 But look at this.

02:05:42.000 That means in DC, you're going to be able to get mushrooms.

02:05:45.000 Finally.

02:05:45.000 Oh, I'm good.

02:05:46.000 How did the initiative do to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer?

02:05:49.000 Where is that?

02:05:50.000 It passed with 60%.

02:05:51.000 82%, yeah.

02:05:52.000 Who was it that...

02:05:53.000 It was Alex Jones who said that it was an FBI organization and that two guys turned out to be FBI informants.

02:06:01.000 Yeah, two of the guys were FBI informants.

02:06:03.000 He called it.

02:06:03.000 John Jones.

02:06:04.000 Really?

02:06:05.000 John Jones.

02:06:05.000 Alex Jones.

02:06:06.000 Alex Jones called it.

02:06:08.000 Well, this is what the FBI does all the time.

02:06:10.000 They go into a mosque and they go, here's a bomb, and then they come back in and they go, that guy was working.

02:06:15.000 I mean, this is what they do.

02:06:16.000 They entrap people.

02:06:17.000 They did it to that guy in Dallas.

02:06:19.000 Yeah, they do.

02:06:20.000 Of course they do.

02:06:21.000 They gave him a bomb that didn't even work.

02:06:23.000 Yeah.

02:06:24.000 And this is the way they operate.

02:06:25.000 And this is why, like, Boston bombing and all these things that are weird and you don't know anything about them, a lot of it's because the FBI doesn't want you to know how they recruit informants and how they operate.

02:06:34.000 They don't want to know.

02:06:35.000 It's dirty.

02:06:35.000 It's seriously a dirty business.

02:06:37.000 Incredibly dirty.

02:06:38.000 I go crazy when people cite the CIA or the FBI as if they're these objective, like, serious people bodies. 0.99

02:06:43.000 No, they're incredibly political, and they've been involved in a whole bunch of shady shit, and they still are to this day. 0.90

02:06:48.000 It's not like it all stopped after the 1960s. 0.99

02:06:50.000 It's like when the CIA is tweeting, like, gay pride, or, you know, it's, like, insane.

02:06:54.000 Like, the FBI is like, yeah, it's great.

02:06:56.000 Like, it's just... 0.99

02:06:57.000 It's absurd, and then mainstream liberals fall for this horseshit. 0.99

02:07:02.000 It's like corporations doing Black Lives Matter stuff. 0.99

02:07:05.000 Like, okay, you got black people working for you, and you're paying them a wage that they can't even live on. 0.99

02:07:09.000 Do their Black Lives Matter? 1.00

02:07:11.000 Raise their fucking wages. 1.00

02:07:12.000 Right. 0.99

02:07:13.000 Well, that's why I support Tim Cook and Apple, because they're not doing anything wrong to art people, you know?

02:07:22.000 A little slavery never hurt anybody.

02:07:25.000 Is anybody ever going to address that, you think?

02:07:27.000 I mean, I really do believe, not to beat that old dead horse, but if one cell phone company came along and made a cell phone and started shitting on all these other companies that make these phones using slave labor, say, no, our phones are made by union workers, they cost more, we make less, but we can sleep good at night.

02:07:45.000 Yeah, so I don't know because I feel like it has to be addressed at the top level.

02:07:50.000 That's one you can't do at an individual level or the bottom up.

02:07:53.000 Like, market forces are not enough to fight something like that.

02:07:56.000 You actually need action from people with authority and power.

02:07:59.000 But also, it's such a complex thing to make a cell phone.

02:08:03.000 It seems like...

02:08:04.000 And also, you have to get in in Verizon and AT&T. Remember, like, Verizon had a deal with Huawei.

02:08:10.000 They're about to go nationwide with Verizon.

02:08:12.000 And then the government came in and said...

02:08:16.000 And then, boom, they're gone.

02:08:17.000 And now they're banned.

02:08:18.000 You can't even buy routers and modems.

02:08:22.000 Actually, they're doing, I think, some sort of antitrust case against Google now.

02:08:25.000 The government sued Google.

02:08:26.000 I'm not sure if it's to break them up or whatever.

02:08:28.000 I think it's about their search engine.

02:08:30.000 I think that, you know, listen, we do have a lot of things that are effective monopolies, and that's a real problem.

02:08:36.000 That's a real problem.

02:08:37.000 The consolidation of power with a few corporations.

02:08:41.000 Well, we could certainly say that about social media companies.

02:08:43.000 Absolutely.

02:08:44.000 You could really say that about Twitter, that Twitter...

02:08:46.000 You know, through no fault of their own, is a monopoly.

02:08:49.000 It's not like they bought out all the competition.

02:08:51.000 But somehow or another, they made something that was so effective that nobody else really came up with a viable alternative, and they've become the number one source of distributing hateful messages.

02:09:01.000 And what's scary is how much mainstream journalists view their job as to run to the mods to tell them when somebody's acting up or saying something that's not true.

02:09:13.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:14.000 And I know you and Glenn talked about this.

02:09:15.000 It's something I've talked about a lot as well.

02:09:17.000 I mean, it is the case that now the new public square is Twitter, Facebook, these big social media companies.

02:09:24.000 So, honestly, if we believe in the principle of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, you should expand that and basically treat these companies like public utilities and expand free speech protections to make them apply to everybody.

02:09:35.000 The only time...

02:09:36.000 Like, listen, direct threats of violence, we all agree you can't have that.

02:09:38.000 But outside of that, I mean, if somebody's just...

02:09:41.000 Doxing.

02:09:41.000 No doxing, no threats, direct threats.

02:09:43.000 Doxing, direct threats of violence.

02:09:45.000 Harassment. 1.00

02:09:46.000 Distribution of someone, like if someone breaks into your iCloud and gets all your dick pics, Kyle. 0.99

02:09:50.000 Can't do that. 0.99

02:09:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:09:51.000 Can't do that.

02:09:51.000 Don't do that.

02:09:52.000 That's wrong.

02:09:53.000 That's wrong.

02:09:53.000 But other than that, yeah, I agree.

02:09:55.000 And I think the problem is that the medium is so flawed that it's a great way if everybody plays by some real moral ethical standards of just don't say anything to someone you wouldn't say to their face and try to do it in a kind way and don't try to hurt people's feelings.

02:10:12.000 We could all act in that. 1.00

02:10:15.000 Even if you disagree with someone, that's fucking stupid. 1.00

02:10:18.000 This is why it's dumb. 1.00

02:10:19.000 But people, when they read mean things, it literally does hurt them. 0.98

02:10:24.000 It gives them pain.

02:10:26.000 And we discredit that pain.

02:10:27.000 We dismiss that pain as long as it's convenient to us.

02:10:30.000 Now, if someone is giving that pain out to someone who's saying something that we don't agree with, then we fully support it.

02:10:36.000 And we love it.

02:10:36.000 Exactly.

02:10:38.000 Dishing that pain out to someone who we think is a protected person, we get very upset.

02:10:42.000 Then we get offended, yeah.

02:10:43.000 We get very offended, and we apply different standards.

02:10:45.000 That's right.

02:10:45.000 I mean, listen, I just don't read it.

02:10:47.000 Do you read your stuff?

02:10:48.000 No, I don't read anything.

02:10:48.000 Because when you hit a certain point, it's like, oh, this is not adding anything to my life.

02:10:52.000 I would be an insane person.

02:10:54.000 Me too.

02:10:54.000 Like, every time I have a podcast that's controversial, there's thousands of people that...

02:10:58.000 You can't escape it, because then the LA Times will write an article and blame you for things, and you're like...

02:11:03.000 I think it's important to read all of the negative comments and then respond in kind to them.

02:11:08.000 The LA Times will write an article.

02:11:10.000 I want to say the LA Times.

02:11:12.000 Some publications will write an article based on a couple of mean tweets.

02:11:16.000 Take a couple of mean tweets and pretend that they're relevant and write a whole article about it.

02:11:22.000 Ignoring any positive tweets or negative tweets or tweets that are in conflict with that.

02:11:31.000 Yeah, that's narrative forming.

02:11:32.000 They want a certain narrative, and they're going to search it out.

02:11:34.000 But I support that, too, because that's the First Amendment.

02:11:37.000 They can do whatever they want.

02:11:38.000 Absolutely.

02:11:39.000 I just think that we have this weird time.

02:11:42.000 We're in this weird time.

02:11:44.000 This sort of adolescent stage of information distribution where it's so...

02:11:50.000 With Alan Levenovitz calls processed information, the way it's bad for you is the same way processed food is bad for you.

02:11:57.000 I felt like that was a really great way of making an analogy.

02:12:03.000 Processed food, we all agree.

02:12:04.000 It's like you can eat it.

02:12:06.000 It's not good for you.

02:12:06.000 If you do it all the time, you're going to get sick.

02:12:08.000 And that's the same thing with processed information.

02:12:11.000 If you're a person now, particularly during COVID, it's a huge issue because many people were, they really were detached from the outside world, especially people with compromised immune systems who are scared to go outside, older people.

02:12:23.000 They just only communicate with people online.

02:12:26.000 And so you're just doing, you're communicating with people through Facebook messages. 0.99

02:12:30.000 And you're just fucking arguing with people. 0.96

02:12:31.000 And you don't see anybody. 0.99

02:12:33.000 No one's in front of you.

02:12:34.000 And how many people are even good at that?

02:12:36.000 Right.

02:12:37.000 We're so bad at that.

02:12:38.000 Just talking face-to-face people are bad now.

02:12:41.000 Kellyanne Conway just came out and said, you will hear from the president tonight.

02:12:46.000 Oh, that means he's probably going to try to declare victory.

02:12:49.000 I'm wondering if that is the case.

02:12:51.000 But Kellyanne is saying that on Twitter. 1.00

02:12:52.000 Oh, Texas went red, bitch! 1.00

02:12:54.000 There you go. 1.00

02:12:55.000 That's more what I thought would happen.

02:12:58.000 Listen, I'm not even rooting for anybody.

02:13:01.000 This is one of the reasons why this is fun.

02:13:02.000 It doesn't sound like you are.

02:13:04.000 Yeah, really.

02:13:07.000 Anyway, I don't...

02:13:08.000 66% though, there could be more.

02:13:13.000 Yeah, but it won't be.

02:13:14.000 It's going to lean red.

02:13:16.000 I'll tell you right now, that's maybe the last election.

02:13:18.000 Republicans can safely say they have Texas.

02:13:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:20.000 They barely got it now.

02:13:22.000 They barely got it now.

02:13:22.000 I mean, we're nowhere near.

02:13:23.000 What is the numbers, Jamie?

02:13:24.000 Go back to that as far as percentage counted.

02:13:27.000 Yeah, it's only 66%.

02:13:28.000 They could lose it already still. 1.00

02:13:30.000 Look, 34% is a lot of fucking people. 1.00

02:13:32.000 Dude, it's like 4-3 to 4-2-3. 1.00

02:13:34.000 That's not it.

02:13:35.000 34% is a lot. 0.99

02:13:36.000 And imagine all these fucking liberals out here that came with me from California that got off work. 1.00

02:13:42.000 It's his fault. 1.00

02:13:43.000 He hasn't moved here yet.

02:13:45.000 They haven't moved here yet.

02:13:45.000 So Florida's going to Trump.

02:13:47.000 Wow, Kansas went red.

02:13:48.000 How weird.

02:13:49.000 Florida's going to Trump. 0.77

02:13:51.000 I think the ones that are in bold red colors, they've called.

02:13:55.000 Some of these they've called already.

02:13:56.000 Yeah.

02:13:56.000 I'm kidding about Kansas.

02:13:57.000 Of course it's red.

02:13:58.000 Now, what about Ohio?

02:13:59.000 So it looks like Florida's red.

02:14:01.000 See, Ohio, that's more reflecting what the polls were.

02:14:03.000 It showed Trump a little bit up.

02:14:04.000 Now Trump's up in Ohio.

02:14:06.000 So Trump wins.

02:14:06.000 Let me see this.

02:14:07.000 Ohio, Florida, Texas.

02:14:10.000 What else does he have to win?

02:14:11.000 Pennsylvania.

02:14:11.000 He needs Pennsylvania.

02:14:11.000 Pennsylvania.

02:14:12.000 He's got to get PA. Pennsylvania doesn't look good.

02:14:13.000 If he doesn't get PA, can he get anything else to make up for PA? Go to Pennsylvania again, please?

02:14:19.000 Maybe, but it's not possible.

02:14:20.000 He could jack Nevada, but that's not going to be good enough.

02:14:23.000 He's way off in Pennsylvania, though.

02:14:25.000 Look at that.

02:14:25.000 Only 17% reporting now.

02:14:27.000 Actually, that's not terrible because I think they count the mail-ins first there.

02:14:33.000 Well, look at the numbers.

02:14:34.000 Hold on.

02:14:34.000 Let me fact check that.

02:14:35.000 It's only 17%, but he's off by...

02:14:37.000 What is that?

02:14:38.000 60,000?

02:14:40.000 There's time.

02:14:41.000 60,000.

02:14:41.000 There's a lot of time.

02:14:42.000 There's a lot left to report.

02:14:44.000 A lot of farmers.

02:14:46.000 What about California?

02:14:48.000 How's California looking?

02:14:49.000 Pennsylvania.

02:14:50.000 Still open, I think.

02:14:51.000 Still open.

02:14:51.000 Go to California?

02:14:52.000 It's only 6 o'clock.

02:14:53.000 It's nothing there yet.

02:14:53.000 Oh, excuse me.

02:14:54.000 Go to Ohio.

02:14:55.000 Oh, you're right about Pennsylvania, Joe.

02:14:57.000 You're right about Pennsylvania.

02:14:58.000 They count...

02:15:00.000 The results are released from election day first, and then they do the mail-in.

02:15:05.000 So if Biden already has a lead, then that's looking good for Biden.

02:15:08.000 It's a problem.

02:15:09.000 And if Biden wins Pennsylvania, he's got it.

02:15:12.000 That's it.

02:15:12.000 It's over.

02:15:13.000 Well, the weird thing is, though, Pennsylvania only has 17% reported.

02:15:16.000 Pennsylvania might be one of those ones.

02:15:18.000 They're a slow counter.

02:15:19.000 They are.

02:15:19.000 Because they had to wait to count the mail-ins.

02:15:22.000 Or we see the governor of Pennsylvania driving a Ferrari in two weeks and Biden wins.

02:15:28.000 With a new laptop. 1.00

02:15:30.000 He's got a fucking cowboy hat covered in diamonds. 1.00

02:15:33.000 Is there any way that Trump wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college? 1.00

02:15:36.000 Less than a 1% chance.

02:15:37.000 Okay.

02:15:39.000 What's the popular vote right now?

02:15:41.000 What are we at, Jamie?

02:15:42.000 It doesn't matter what it is now.

02:15:43.000 It's not going to reflect what it is at the end.

02:15:45.000 I know, but I just wanted to know.

02:15:46.000 I've got a question.

02:15:46.000 He's ahead.

02:15:47.000 1.2 million.

02:15:48.000 He's ahead by a million. 1.00

02:15:49.000 You don't know shit, Kyle. 1.00

02:15:50.000 I know a lot. 1.00

02:15:51.000 This is kind of looking like Biden.

02:15:54.000 Looks like Biden if he gets Pennsylvania.

02:15:56.000 No, no, no.

02:15:56.000 Not for nothing.

02:15:57.000 Right now, this is not terrible for Trump.

02:15:59.000 Okay.

02:15:59.000 The only issue for him as of this moment is Pennsylvania.

02:16:03.000 Dun, dun, dun.

02:16:05.000 What if he gets Nevada, Arizona...

02:16:08.000 He's not going to get Michigan.

02:16:10.000 If he doesn't get Pennsylvania, he can't win.

02:16:13.000 No way he can win without Pennsylvania, Florida.

02:16:17.000 Those two are super important for him.

02:16:19.000 He's got Florida.

02:16:20.000 He's going to get Florida.

02:16:21.000 It looks like he's got Florida.

02:16:22.000 But if he loses Pennsylvania, that's a wrap.

02:16:25.000 That's a wrap.

02:16:25.000 That's right.

02:16:26.000 There's really no other path.

02:16:27.000 They're lying and saying, oh, maybe we can win Nevada.

02:16:30.000 They're not winning Nevada.

02:16:31.000 He's more than eight points down in Nevada.

02:16:32.000 Let's see Nevada.

02:16:34.000 What's Nevada right now?

02:16:35.000 I'm saying in the polls.

02:16:35.000 They didn't even close yet, I don't think.

02:16:37.000 Oh, they didn't close yet.

02:16:38.000 So weird, man.

02:16:40.000 It's all so weird.

02:16:42.000 Let's do a monarchy.

02:16:45.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:46.000 Every year this is enough already.

02:16:48.000 Let's do a monarchy.

02:16:50.000 Let's just do a king and a queen.

02:16:52.000 Like the king of Thailand?

02:16:53.000 Yeah!

02:16:53.000 That kind of deal?

02:16:54.000 Yeah!

02:16:54.000 As an official concubine?

02:16:56.000 Somebody that can figure it out.

02:16:58.000 You want me to give you the best numbers for Trump?

02:17:01.000 Yes.

02:17:01.000 Okay.

02:17:02.000 I'll give you the best numbers for Trump.

02:17:04.000 There's some evidence out there that he's still got it.

02:17:07.000 He's still got a shot.

02:17:08.000 So...

02:17:10.000 When pollsters ask, are you better or worse off than you were four years ago?

02:17:14.000 50% say better, only 34% say worse.

02:17:18.000 That's crazy, because you've got to be worse than you were eight months ago.

02:17:20.000 That's what I'm saying too, but this is what the poll shows.

02:17:22.000 An NBC News, Wall Street Journal poll.

02:17:24.000 It's totally legit.

02:17:25.000 The last time an incumbent lost, better polled at 37% and worse polled at 40%.

02:17:31.000 And that was George H.W. Bush in 1992. Hmm.

02:17:36.000 It's tricky.

02:17:38.000 There's also a big enthusiasm gap.

02:17:41.000 So only 46% of Biden supporters strongly support him.

02:17:45.000 66% of Trump supporters strongly support him.

02:17:47.000 I'm amazed the 46% of Biden supporters.

02:17:50.000 I think 39% of them are lying.

02:17:52.000 Yeah, most of them are lying.

02:17:53.000 Yeah, they just hate Trump.

02:17:55.000 They like Kamala and they hate Trump.

02:17:57.000 Yeah, I think they'd have a better chance if Kamala was on the ticket in the front. 1.00

02:18:01.000 I think it was Kamala versus Trump.

02:18:03.000 They'd have a better shot.

02:18:04.000 You said it already yourself.

02:18:05.000 This is really just somebody who's not Trump.

02:18:08.000 That's the whole mindset.

02:18:09.000 Right, but Kamala Harris, at least we call her Kamala. 1.00

02:18:12.000 That's rude.

02:18:13.000 It's Kamala.

02:18:14.000 Is it? 1.00

02:18:14.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00

02:18:16.000 Kamala. 1.00

02:18:16.000 Not like the wrestler from back in the day. 1.00

02:18:18.000 Kamala.

02:18:20.000 Kamala.

02:18:21.000 I think she'd have a better shot on her own.

02:18:24.000 I don't know.

02:18:25.000 Because she got absolutely obliterated in the primary. 0.99

02:18:28.000 Yeah, but that was because Tulsi sank her back.

02:18:29.000 It wasn't just Tulsi.

02:18:30.000 She also went from pretending to be, like, a lefty like Bernie Sanders and talking about healthcare for everybody, and then by the end of the campaign, she was begging for Donald Trump to get banned off Twitter as if that's some sort of, like, principled stand.

02:18:42.000 Yeah, what was that about? 0.99

02:18:43.000 She has no political instincts, and the idiots around her were like, hey, use this as your main issue. 1.00

02:18:48.000 Like, get them banned from Twitter. 1.00

02:18:49.000 She's just so used to putting people in jail. 1.00

02:18:51.000 She's like, put them in Twitter jail. 1.00

02:18:52.000 Do you see that weird conversation she had with Rachel Maddow where she pretended to see the fly on Mike Pence's head and was laughing about it, but it's so obvious that it's fake?

02:19:04.000 It's the weirdest conversation.

02:19:07.000 It's so weird.

02:19:08.000 Did you see when Colbert was asking her about her strong lines of attack against Biden?

02:19:12.000 It was a debate.

02:19:15.000 Right.

02:19:15.000 He's like, so you didn't mean what you were saying?

02:19:17.000 It was a debate.

02:19:19.000 And he let her off the hook. 0.99

02:19:20.000 It's like, at least bullshit us well. 0.98

02:19:23.000 You know? 0.97

02:19:24.000 Don't give us that.

02:19:25.000 That's a crazy thing.

02:19:27.000 Imagine a debate.

02:19:28.000 Yeah, it's like this...

02:19:30.000 Before I let you go, if you noticed the fly on Vice President Pence's head at the time during the debate, or if that was something that only...

02:19:40.000 We could see it at home!

02:19:41.000 Could you see it sitting next to him?

02:19:42.000 Watch this, look at this.

02:19:45.000 Oh, I made that up.

02:19:49.000 Did you have feelings about, like, did you have the instinct to...

02:19:55.000 Hard-hitting journalism.

02:20:01.000 You know, Rachel... 1.00

02:20:04.000 Ugh, that is...

02:20:05.000 I just, you know, I think that it's important that we kind of find a way, all of us, to move on.

02:20:14.000 Stop.

02:20:15.000 That's the fakest laugh I've ever heard in my life.

02:20:18.000 That's like a producer laugh when you're doing a sitcom run-through and they've heard the jokes 30 times before.

02:20:22.000 Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell have so much more integrity than these people.

02:20:26.000 Let's get real.

02:20:27.000 But here's the thing.

02:20:27.000 There's a long history of flies landing on candidates in elections or in debates.

02:20:33.000 One landed on Hillary. 0.95

02:20:34.000 Didn't one land on Hillary in a debate with Trump? 1.00

02:20:36.000 That's right.

02:20:37.000 And there's another one.

02:20:38.000 There's another one in the past. 1.00

02:20:40.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:20:41.000 It's happened with Obama before, too. 1.00

02:20:43.000 Did it?

02:20:43.000 It has.

02:20:44.000 And I remember Alex Jones saying that's evidence that he's a demon. 0.95

02:20:50.000 He said that and then he went and he was like, Hillary smells like sulfur. 0.93

02:20:53.000 Yes, yes, that's it.

02:20:54.000 He said that. 0.99

02:20:55.000 Hillary smells like sulfur. 1.00

02:20:55.000 I know people that have been close to her and it's the smell of sulfur. 1.00

02:20:58.000 Did you see the guy, someone took him saying all those things and put it in a song?

02:21:06.000 I did see that and it was hilarious.

02:21:07.000 There's a fly.

02:21:08.000 It lands on Obama's lip.

02:21:10.000 I mean, how funny is that?

02:21:13.000 It's so weird.

02:21:14.000 It's weird that flies land on people in debates, and then we make a big deal of it, and that becomes the number one topic.

02:21:20.000 Right, as opposed to the substance, the policy of what they're discussing.

02:21:23.000 That's nothing.

02:21:24.000 That's boring.

02:21:25.000 That fly lands it on Pence's head. 1.00

02:21:26.000 He's a piece of shit. 1.00

02:21:27.000 I do blame the media, though. 1.00

02:21:28.000 Do people even understand policy?

02:21:29.000 Like, if somebody came up to me and were like, what?

02:21:32.000 I would be like, wait, what?

02:21:34.000 It's so hard to understand the intricacies of a particular policy.

02:21:39.000 And it's so difficult for most people that are working and they have kids and they're trying to get by to really know.

02:21:46.000 I mean, healthcare being explained to anyone, it's crazy.

02:21:50.000 Right.

02:21:51.000 Where's the money going?

02:21:52.000 Nobody knows.

02:21:53.000 I think you're definitely right about that, but also wrong in one sense, which is...

02:21:59.000 People, generally, their gut instinct is usually correct about the direction we should take the country.

02:22:05.000 That's true.

02:22:05.000 You know what I mean?

02:22:05.000 Like, oh, we've been in Afghanistan for 19 years.

02:22:07.000 Should we still be there?

02:22:08.000 Probably not.

02:22:09.000 Like, that's what people say.

02:22:10.000 Yeah, but then if you tell them, yeah, but we're getting the medals for the phone, they go, oh.

02:22:19.000 But they don't say that.

02:22:20.000 If you sat down, they'll go, we're getting the medals for the phone there.

02:22:23.000 They go, right, okay.

02:22:26.000 But the argument they really use is, we're fighting for your freedom or something?

02:22:31.000 Right, so if you said, is slave labor good?

02:22:33.000 They'd go, no.

02:22:34.000 Okay, give me your phone.

02:22:35.000 Oh, right.

02:22:37.000 Hold on.

02:22:38.000 Oh, okay.

02:22:39.000 Yeah, no, I think, you know, like, healthcare's another one.

02:22:42.000 If you bring up healthcare, you think, hey, should everybody in the country have healthcare?

02:22:45.000 Yes.

02:22:46.000 Yes.

02:22:46.000 Where's that money come from?

02:22:48.000 Yes.

02:22:48.000 Every other developed country has healthcare for their people.

02:22:52.000 You would have to save that.

02:22:52.000 Oh, they say.

02:22:53.000 It actually saves money.

02:22:54.000 That's something that...

02:22:55.000 But I think, so if you ask that question, I think you're 110% right.

02:22:58.000 But if you phrase it another way and you're like...

02:22:59.000 Socialized medicine.

02:23:00.000 Or should you not be able to get private insurance?

02:23:03.000 People would say, no, I don't want that.

02:23:05.000 Right, that's right.

02:23:06.000 It is all in the framing.

02:23:07.000 You can get whatever answer you want.

02:23:08.000 If I really felt like my taxes were going to good, I'd feel good about paying taxes.

02:23:12.000 I always said that too.

02:23:13.000 That's right.

02:23:13.000 That's the problem that people have.

02:23:14.000 Instead, it goes to Wall Street bailouts, military industrial complex.

02:23:17.000 Also, you don't get a receipt.

02:23:18.000 They don't show you.

02:23:19.000 Yeah.

02:23:20.000 You know?

02:23:21.000 Like, if you get a receipt...

02:23:22.000 Imagine if Americans could opt in on what you put your money...

02:23:26.000 Like, I want all my money to go to education.

02:23:28.000 Like, you know, a certain person... 0.99

02:23:30.000 Like, then you realize what people give a fuck about and what they don't give a fuck about. 0.99

02:23:34.000 And you vote for that. 0.99

02:23:35.000 Vote for where your taxes go.

02:23:37.000 And that's actually why I think in many other, like, European countries, they don't necessarily view taxes the same way that we do, because they actually tangibly see what they're getting for that money.

02:23:46.000 They see that they get the healthcare.

02:23:48.000 They see that they get the education.

02:23:49.000 They see that they have, you know, paid vacation time by law, for example.

02:23:52.000 Does every other country, every big country, have socialized medicine other than us?

02:23:57.000 Yes, every other developed country has one version or another of a universal healthcare.

02:24:02.000 Yes, they vary in terms of how they do it.

02:24:04.000 So here, I'll give you an example.

02:24:05.000 Like the UK, for example, they have what's called the National Health Service, NHS. And basically, that's public funding of public hospitals, public doctors, public institutions.

02:24:15.000 So in other words, everything is the government when you go to the NHS and when you go to the doctor, right?

02:24:19.000 And then there's examples like, I think Canada's like this and France is like this, where you have public funding of private institutions.

02:24:27.000 So you have private doctors, they have their own practices, you can have private hospitals, it's their own thing, but it's funded through tax dollars.

02:24:33.000 So that's a little bit different in how they structure it.

02:24:36.000 So there's various ways to do it and get to universal healthcare, but the connecting tissue is funded through taxes, publicly funded.

02:24:44.000 And that's, you know, that creates some problems of its own, right?

02:24:50.000 Like what?

02:24:51.000 What do you think?

02:24:52.000 Well, if you have, in the UK, for example, they have people coming in, when you don't have the tight immigration standards, you have people coming in from other countries getting operations that haven't paid into the system at all.

02:25:01.000 Well, there's an old saying...

02:25:03.000 That becomes a problem.

02:25:04.000 Someone sounds like a Brexit fan.

02:25:07.000 You can either have a welfare state and borders or no welfare state and no borders.

02:25:11.000 So then why do you have the squad and AOC and all these people?

02:25:13.000 Did I mess that up?

02:25:15.000 Bernie Sanders said the same thing about immigration.

02:25:17.000 He said open borders is a Koch brothers proposal.

02:25:19.000 Everything Trump has said about immigration was uttered by Bill Clinton and a lot of it by Barack Obama.

02:25:24.000 We deported more than Trump.

02:25:25.000 100%.

02:25:26.000 Why is this identity politics gone so insane on the left that you can't have an actual conversation about immigration and depressing wages without calling people Nazis?

02:25:37.000 Social media.

02:25:38.000 With social media, you could shut someone down by simply saying that they're racist.

02:25:43.000 But it does seem designed like that AOC and all these people are pro-open borders.

02:25:49.000 But I would actually contest that.

02:25:51.000 I don't think they're actually for open borders.

02:25:53.000 Well, they say they are.

02:25:54.000 She said I'm for open borders?

02:25:56.000 She's very – any curbing of immigration, the discussion of it is shut down immediately by her.

02:26:02.000 I agree with that.

02:26:03.000 I agree that the discussion is usually shut down.

02:26:05.000 Or it's de facto open borders.

02:26:07.000 If they don't say open borders, they say, well, you can come over and show up for a hearing, but you're not going to show up for a hearing because we let you in.

02:26:13.000 So you could say it's not open borders, but it's de facto open borders if there's no enforcement.

02:26:18.000 So she's against any type of enforcement.

02:26:20.000 So if I said tomorrow, there's no enforcement for drunk drivers, but hey, Don't drive drunk.

02:26:26.000 That's de facto pro drunk driving.

02:26:28.000 I think the distinction they make is criminally punishable versus civil punishment.

02:26:33.000 And so they say, don't treat it like the criminal matter, treat it more like a civil matter.

02:26:37.000 Now, overall, listen, I'm not...

02:26:39.000 Yeah, how do you get money from people, though, that come over to the country?

02:26:41.000 How do you treat it like a civil matter?

02:26:44.000 As in, you don't lock them up in a cage necessarily.

02:26:46.000 So what does happen?

02:26:47.000 I don't know.

02:26:48.000 You'd have to ask them.

02:26:48.000 I don't have the same position they have.

02:26:50.000 But I'm saying that's the problem with a lot of people when you look at that flank of the Democratic Party and you go, it would be great to have health care and all these things.

02:26:57.000 However, you can't just have porous borders, no enforcement.

02:27:01.000 It's like crazy to think you could do that.

02:27:03.000 It is sort of overstated, though, how much they've put on this issue.

02:27:07.000 It's not like Democrats, when they get in their local meetings, are like, we sure should open the borders.

02:27:12.000 But I will tell you this, it is the reason that Trump won, and it is the most popular issue.

02:27:16.000 If you look at the numbers, and Ann Coulter puts all these numbers up all the time, well over 70% of people, blacks, Hispanics, everybody, including recent immigrants, favor curbing immigration.

02:27:26.000 They do not want just unfettered immigration.

02:27:29.000 That's pretty proven every single time the question is asked.

02:27:35.000 And Obama broke the deportation record.

02:27:37.000 Obama deported more people than Trump deported.

02:27:40.000 I'm just wondering why it's become this hot-button issue where everybody who wants to talk about it is a racist Nazi when literally Obama understood that you needed a border.

02:27:52.000 It's real simple.

02:27:53.000 It's real simple.

02:27:54.000 Trump is president.

02:27:55.000 Trump's a Republican.

02:27:56.000 Trump's already been labeled a racist.

02:27:58.000 Then you have these cages.

02:27:59.000 You see people in the cages.

02:28:00.000 It looks terrible.

02:28:01.000 And you see children being separated from their parents.

02:28:04.000 It seems terrible.

02:28:05.000 But supporting any sort of curbing of immigration supports that.

02:28:12.000 So it's already been established.

02:28:14.000 See what I'm saying?

02:28:15.000 I do see what you're saying.

02:28:16.000 Listen, I think that I agree with you.

02:28:20.000 People should be clear.

02:28:21.000 No, I don't support totally open borders.

02:28:23.000 Then you literally don't have a country.

02:28:25.000 So you can't be in favor of that.

02:28:27.000 But should we have a process to get in here?

02:28:30.000 Should the process make sense and be humane?

02:28:33.000 You know, should we...

02:28:35.000 Like, I do think that the thing about kids in cages, they were in cages under the previous administration, and they're in cages under this administration.

02:28:41.000 I do think it's a genuine humanitarian concern when people see that and they're like, oh man, I don't think that looks good.

02:28:46.000 No, that's a horrible thing that shouldn't ever happen.

02:28:48.000 And I should say real clearly, when I say Trump's been established as being racist, I mean by them.

02:28:52.000 Right.

02:28:53.000 It's a narrative.

02:28:54.000 He did launch his campaign by saying the thing, what did he say?

02:28:57.000 About Mexicans? 1.00

02:28:58.000 About the Mexicans, uh, they're criminals, they're rapists. 1.00

02:29:00.000 I assume some are good people. 1.00

02:29:02.000 No, he was saying the ones that sneak over here illegally.

02:29:05.000 There's a lot of gang members that sneak over here illegally.

02:29:08.000 But that's not even backed up by the evidence.

02:29:09.000 That's demagoguery.

02:29:10.000 That's not even true.

02:29:11.000 Okay.

02:29:12.000 When you're talking about sheer numbers, or that there are some that come over here that are criminals?

02:29:16.000 There are some, but his argument was not that there are some.

02:29:19.000 He said, they're criminals, they're rapists, and I quote, I assume some are good people.

02:29:24.000 So in other words, he flipped it. 0.98

02:29:25.000 You're saying, yeah, they come in here.

02:29:27.000 I'm saying the other thing. 1.00

02:29:27.000 Right, you're saying some of them are criminals and rapists. 1.00

02:29:30.000 He's saying the default is they're criminals and rapists, and I assume some are good people. 0.84

02:29:33.000 But let's be real clear why they're criminals. 0.82

02:29:35.000 They're criminals because they don't have anything going on in their country, and they come over here because we have crazy drug laws.

02:29:39.000 And the drug war, that's right.

02:29:40.000 That's the whole thing.

02:29:41.000 If you legalize drugs, and it sounds crazy to people that don't want their kids to be hooked on drugs, and I have kids, and I don't want my kids to be hooked on drugs, but if you legalize drugs, you would essentially take the legs off of organized crime.

02:29:53.000 100%.

02:29:53.000 That's literally what funded Al Capone.

02:29:56.000 That's literally what funded all the moonshine runners.

02:29:59.000 It was the fact that it was illegal.

02:30:01.000 And it propped up organized crime in this country.

02:30:03.000 Isn't so much of the police state that we have kind of, I guess, dependent on these silly laws being enforced?

02:30:09.000 And a lot of people are drawing a salary enforcing those laws?

02:30:13.000 Oh, 100%.

02:30:13.000 A big part of what keeps marijuana illegal is the prison guards' unions.

02:30:18.000 They want jobs.

02:30:21.000 They want people in jail, which is crazy if you really think about it.

02:30:25.000 We just get to a problem where it's like there's not enough jobs right now, and that's a real problem.

02:30:29.000 If you unwind, which you should, all these unfair systems, you're going to have a hell of a lot of people with nothing to do.

02:30:35.000 That's not true.

02:30:36.000 You're going to have a hell of a lot of people who could sell weed.

02:30:38.000 Look what's going on in Colorado.

02:30:40.000 There's a lot of people legally that are selling weed.

02:30:43.000 Prisoners, OnlyFans.

02:30:46.000 We're former prisoners, guards, and now we've got a podcast.

02:30:50.000 And now we sell pot.

02:30:51.000 Now we do it.

02:30:52.000 Listen, there's a lot of things that people could do. 0.90

02:30:55.000 The idea that the thing they're doing now is the only thing they could do is ridiculous. 0.93

02:30:58.000 We're treating them like they're children. 0.98

02:31:00.000 We're treating human beings in prison.

02:31:02.000 When you're talking about private prisons and you're talking about people generating money by people in jail, you're treating human beings like organic batteries that generate coins for you.

02:31:11.000 It's literally what it's like.

02:31:12.000 It's the most disgusting thing that we've ever done as a culture, is make it so there's more laws that keep people in jail because you can make money off those people in jail. 0.96

02:31:22.000 It's one of the darkest things we do.

02:31:25.000 By the way, I think it would have been great if Trump, he might win a second term, but I'm saying if he decided, we spoke about this, just legalize marijuana.

02:31:35.000 Take it off as a Schedule I substance, or at least decriminalize it.

02:31:40.000 That would have been awesome.

02:31:40.000 The problem is there's so many people on the right that don't want that.

02:31:43.000 Only evangelical Christians, and he's already got them locked up. 0.87

02:31:45.000 No, no, no. 0.99

02:31:46.000 It's a lot of fucking hard work in the right way. 0.99

02:31:49.000 Really? 0.99

02:31:49.000 Ted Nugent, man. 0.99

02:31:50.000 Me and Ted Nugent got into it over pot.

02:31:53.000 You know, because he's like one of those guys that thinks like, you know, hard-working, hard-playing Americans, you don't want pot, you don't want dope to be out there killing your motivation.

02:32:00.000 I'm like, Ted, I smoke a lot of weed, I have three jobs, I work out all day. 1.00

02:32:03.000 Like, what the fuck are you talking about, man? 1.00

02:32:05.000 This is nonsense. 1.00

02:32:06.000 Yeah.

02:32:07.000 Like, you've got these stereotypes in your head.

02:32:09.000 The polls are clear, though.

02:32:10.000 It's over 60% want that, so if Trump did that, it'd be popular.

02:32:13.000 The tide has turned.

02:32:14.000 If you went back ten years ago, it would be 60% the other way.

02:32:18.000 Because it's information.

02:32:19.000 People are getting information.

02:32:21.000 By the way, I don't think it's safe for everybody.

02:32:24.000 And I've said this as a person who smokes a lot of pot.

02:32:26.000 Yeah, I get paranoid, I was telling you.

02:32:28.000 That's what happens to me when I smoke.

02:32:29.000 Paranoia is okay.

02:32:30.000 I think it's good for you.

02:32:31.000 I don't know about that, Joe.

02:32:33.000 I think it's good for you.

02:32:33.000 I think it makes you, when the paranoia wears off, you have a greater appreciation of life.

02:32:37.000 I look at paranoia like little baby near-death experiences.

02:32:40.000 You have an opportunity to be a good person when you survive.

02:32:42.000 I think marijuana can be a gateway drug.

02:32:44.000 It led me through the gateway to Infowars.

02:32:47.000 And that was a good part of mine, a big part of my life.

02:32:50.000 The thing about it that I'm concerned with is schizophrenia.

02:32:54.000 I'm legitimately concerned with it from personal experiences, not myself, but friends.

02:32:58.000 I know people that have had, particularly people that didn't smoke pot and were given edibles and had these schizophrenic breaks.

02:33:07.000 Not just one either.

02:33:09.000 Multiple people that have had, like, really good people.

02:33:11.000 Good, solid people with, like, real ambitious. 0.84

02:33:15.000 Had their shit together. 0.99

02:33:16.000 Someone gives them an edible. 1.00

02:33:17.000 This will help you sleep.

02:33:19.000 And someone fucks up and gives them, like, 100 milligrams or something like that.

02:33:22.000 Joey Diaz numbers? 0.92

02:33:23.000 Joey Diaz has ruined a bunch of people.

02:33:26.000 That's what he does.

02:33:28.000 He thinks it's funny when he's like...

02:33:31.000 He thinks it's hilarious.

02:33:32.000 When you take the edible, what happens?

02:33:33.000 It just unwinds.

02:33:34.000 It's not me.

02:33:35.000 You start hallucinating.

02:33:36.000 Not me.

02:33:37.000 Not you.

02:33:38.000 Maybe me.

02:33:39.000 Listen, some people have attended.

02:33:41.000 Alex Barenson wrote a book about it, and he debated Dr. Mike Hart from the UK, excuse me, from Canada, rather, who is a cannabis doctor.

02:33:53.000 And he had some good points, but Alex Berenson wrote a book about it, and he came on the podcast to talk about it, and I agreed with him.

02:34:02.000 For some people, and it's not a small number.

02:34:04.000 I mean, it might be 1%.

02:34:05.000 I don't know what it is.

02:34:06.000 There's actually a study on this that I spoke about.

02:34:08.000 There is a small percentage that, you know, it leads to schizophrenia.

02:34:12.000 It leads to schizophrenia.

02:34:13.000 Or people that have a tendency to schizophrenia exacerbates it.

02:34:16.000 And that's why I used to smoke every now and then.

02:34:19.000 Jamie's got something to raise his finger.

02:34:20.000 I'm looking at something that this is not the best thing to be judging the election off of.

02:34:25.000 Is it Snopes?

02:34:27.000 It's definitely not Snopes.

02:34:29.000 I'm looking at a couple different betting websites, live betting that's going on for sports.

02:34:35.000 Swung to Trump?

02:34:36.000 He's now on one site I saw as high as minus 800. What does that mean?

02:34:41.000 Eight to one favorite.

02:34:41.000 They used to pay $800 to win $100 on that bet.

02:34:44.000 So Trump's losing.

02:34:45.000 No, that's a huge favorite.

02:34:47.000 Oh, he's winning.

02:34:47.000 And it was Biden before today started.

02:34:50.000 So it's been back and forth, but it's swung heavy to Trump. 1.00

02:34:53.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:34:55.000 It could be Trump. 1.00

02:34:56.000 Look how bummed out he is.

02:34:58.000 Hey man, listen.

02:34:59.000 He absolutely can win.

02:35:00.000 Very sad.

02:35:02.000 Would you be sad if you won? 1.00

02:35:04.000 I'm going to be miserable no matter what the fuck happens. 1.00

02:35:06.000 We got a guy who's a zombie and a guy who's a fucking bloated demagogue. 1.00

02:35:10.000 I just want Candace Owens to be happy. 1.00

02:35:12.000 Candace is going to be very happy.

02:35:14.000 She's going to be very happy.

02:35:15.000 I'm trying to FaceTime her.

02:35:17.000 I'm trying to get her number.

02:35:17.000 Right now you are?

02:35:18.000 I want to FaceTime her at the end of it to just, you know...

02:35:21.000 You don't have her number?

02:35:22.000 I have her manager's number.

02:35:24.000 Her manager sent her my number.

02:35:26.000 Oh, okay.

02:35:27.000 I thought it would be funny to just FaceTime her.

02:35:29.000 Get an update from Candace Owens and the Daily Wire.

02:35:32.000 The only thing that makes me happy is the people that are going to be upset.

02:35:35.000 Well, that's the whole thing.

02:35:36.000 And some of the Trump people I hate too, but I hate both sides so I can get happy no matter what.

02:35:42.000 Like, no matter who wins, I can lay in bed tonight and go, you know what?

02:35:46.000 Good, good, good.

02:35:47.000 Yeah.

02:35:49.000 I was going to vote for Kanye.

02:35:51.000 Yeah.

02:35:53.000 I want to stick to my tradition.

02:35:56.000 If Trump wins again, because you articulate this stuff better than anybody, what is the lesson Democrats should learn, if any?

02:36:04.000 The one they should learn versus what they'll actually learn are totally different. 0.99

02:36:08.000 What they'll do is they'll say, ah, we fucked up. 0.95

02:36:11.000 We should have got somebody who was more pro-establishment. 0.99

02:36:13.000 We should've got somebody who was further right wing.

02:36:14.000 We should've got somebody who's more like Trump and like the Republicans.

02:36:17.000 That's what they'll do, and that's what they'll think.

02:36:19.000 What they actually should've done is realize that, hey, you guys jacked it from Bernie Sanders in 2016. This time around, Bernie Sanders won the first three primaries, and then what happened?

02:36:28.000 Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar dropped out and endorsed Biden at the very last minute because Obama gave him a phone call and told him to do it.

02:36:35.000 So they threw all the votes behind Biden like that, and then Elizabeth Warren stayed in. 1.00

02:36:39.000 And Elizabeth Warren stayed in and siphoned votes from Bernie, and then it ended up that Biden, you know, just crushed from there on out.

02:36:45.000 Joe, he could have won the election.

02:36:46.000 He could have won the election in 2016, he could have won, and also obviously this time.

02:36:50.000 So now, listen, the real lesson should have been, oh my god, you should have won with Bernie, but...

02:36:55.000 They're not going to learn that lesson. 0.99

02:36:56.000 They're going to go with fucking Amy Klobuchar. 1.00

02:36:58.000 They're going to go with Kamala Harris again. 0.99

02:37:00.000 Something along those lines.

02:37:01.000 What if they could pump Bernie up with steroids and growth hormone and NAD and just back his aging up at length in his telomeres.

02:37:08.000 Keep him alive a little.

02:37:10.000 Is it possible?

02:37:10.000 Give him some of the Trump stuff.

02:37:11.000 Give him some Adderall.

02:37:13.000 Get him on some Adderall, some steroids.

02:37:15.000 Give him those dance moves. 1.00

02:37:16.000 Give him those dance moves in the YMCA. It's fun to stay with.

02:37:20.000 They're like, I'm crying.

02:37:21.000 They're like, I'm crying.

02:37:23.000 I'm just sitting here.

02:37:24.000 I'm so proud of whatever state Trump lost.

02:37:26.000 You know, they're like, I'm crying.

02:37:27.000 Who's crying?

02:37:28.000 Who knows?

02:37:29.000 Everybody that we know.

02:37:30.000 They're all crying.

02:37:31.000 They all did nice things.

02:37:32.000 They all like led a person to, you know, like I found an old woman who was blind and I led her to the polls. 0.96

02:37:37.000 I tweeted earlier today.

02:37:38.000 I said, I helped a blind Nazi. 1.00

02:37:40.000 Okay.

02:37:41.000 I got something for you guys.

02:37:42.000 Uh-oh.

02:37:43.000 Uh-oh.

02:37:44.000 There are 274,000 mail ballots in Philadelphia County that won't be counted until tomorrow at the earliest, and those are very likely overwhelmingly pro-Biden.

02:37:54.000 Whoa.

02:37:55.000 Yeah.

02:37:55.000 Because they have a law you couldn't start counting until very late.

02:37:59.000 So, Biden wins Pennsylvania.

02:38:01.000 It's over.

02:38:01.000 That's right, yeah.

02:38:02.000 And it looks like he's winning.

02:38:04.000 What's he at now?

02:38:05.000 Let's see what Pennsylvania's at now.

02:38:06.000 Yeah, let's take a look.

02:38:07.000 So, we were at 17% about 45 minutes ago.

02:38:11.000 Was that how long ago?

02:38:12.000 How long did we look at it?

02:38:13.000 Not that long ago.

02:38:14.000 20?

02:38:15.000 Could have been.

02:38:16.000 Half hour?

02:38:17.000 Whatever.

02:38:18.000 27% now.

02:38:19.000 Okay, let's look at it now.

02:38:20.000 27% in, and it's red. 1.00

02:38:22.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

02:38:23.000 It's flipped. 1.00

02:38:24.000 Pennsylvania's red, bitch. 1.00

02:38:26.000 That's it. 1.00

02:38:26.000 No, but here's the thing. 1.00

02:38:27.000 It's over!

02:38:27.000 That's it!

02:38:28.000 It's over, Kyle!

02:38:29.000 That's the one.

02:38:30.000 Look at him, he's angry.

02:38:33.000 Look at his face.

02:38:33.000 Don't commit acts of violence.

02:38:35.000 I'm flying the fuck out of the state real soon. 1.00

02:38:37.000 Get me the Antifa face mask. 0.98

02:38:39.000 Okay.

02:38:40.000 If he gets it, though.

02:38:41.000 If he gets Pennsylvania, he absolutely is.

02:38:44.000 He's won.

02:38:44.000 He's won real action.

02:38:45.000 He could win if he does that, for sure.

02:38:47.000 It looks like he's won to me.

02:38:49.000 You gotta count all the mail-ins, man.

02:38:50.000 Yeah, but wait a minute, hold on.

02:38:52.000 It's only 27% reporting.

02:38:54.000 And you gotta count all the mail-ins, which they're just telling you they didn't do that.

02:38:57.000 First of all, is this the most irresponsible election show of all time?

02:39:00.000 No, bro, come on.

02:39:01.000 Don't disrespect my expertise.

02:39:03.000 Because you're here.

02:39:04.000 Because he's here.

02:39:05.000 And the fact that Alex had things to do, it's balanced out.

02:39:11.000 Is Alex voting somewhere?

02:39:12.000 He's definitely voting.

02:39:13.000 I heard he's a big Biden guy.

02:39:15.000 Heard he loves Biden.

02:39:18.000 Trump's trying to stop baby eaters.

02:39:21.000 Look at that Maine.

02:39:22.000 Maine goes red, huh?

02:39:24.000 Always, right?

02:39:25.000 Real rural.

02:39:27.000 Wisconsin.

02:39:28.000 Wisconsin is kind of liberal, no?

02:39:30.000 Yeah, but again, those are all the on-the-day votes without counting the mail-ins yet.

02:39:35.000 So when they count the mail-ins, Wisconsin and Michigan are going to go to Biden.

02:39:39.000 What does Wyoming 100% go to Trump?

02:39:42.000 75%?!

02:39:43.000 They've already called it, and there's 4,000 votes counted.

02:39:46.000 Look at the vote!

02:39:47.000 There's 4,000 votes!

02:39:49.000 It's like New York or California.

02:39:50.000 It's just guaranteed to be Republican.

02:39:52.000 But look at the numbers.

02:39:53.000 There's 4,000 votes.

02:39:55.000 That's everybody there, though.

02:39:56.000 That's a show that Tim and I would do there.

02:39:59.000 If Tim and I did a show there, we would do a show for everyone there.

02:40:04.000 If we do a show in Wyoming, Tim, it would literally be for all the voters.

02:40:07.000 It would be for the three electoral votes.

02:40:08.000 Yeah, we'd probably get more people than voted.

02:40:11.000 I bet we could get more people.

02:40:12.000 What is the population?

02:40:13.000 I'm telling you right now, I'm going to come out with a prediction right now, early, and say, I think it's going to be Trump.

02:40:17.000 I think it's going to be Trump, too.

02:40:18.000 I think it's going to be Trump.

02:40:20.000 Wow.

02:40:21.000 I think he's going to win, too.

02:40:22.000 I think he's going to win, too.

02:40:23.000 578,000 in the whole state, and there's only 4,000 people who voted.

02:40:29.000 The governor's Mark Gordon.

02:40:30.000 My friend, the doctor.

02:40:31.000 He's the governor.

02:40:32.000 I didn't know.

02:40:32.000 I got to call him.

02:40:33.000 Dude, the Supreme Court's going to be all conservatives.

02:40:35.000 It already is.

02:40:36.000 It's 6-3.

02:40:37.000 I know, but it's going to be 9-9 at the end. 0.99

02:40:41.000 They're going to kill off the liberals? 0.98

02:40:42.000 Is that what you're saying? 0.99

02:40:43.000 I don't know.

02:40:43.000 Well, I don't know what's going to happen.

02:40:45.000 I don't know what that means.

02:40:47.000 What is it?

02:40:47.000 Kanye West?

02:40:48.000 Hold on.

02:40:49.000 Kanye West voted for himself, but it won't count as a Kanye West unless he puts in more work.

02:40:54.000 What?

02:40:55.000 But it won't count as a vote for Kanye West unless he puts in more work.

02:40:58.000 What does that mean?

02:40:58.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:40:59.000 I don't know what that means.

02:41:00.000 Oh.

02:41:01.000 That's just Wyoming.

02:41:02.000 He's got a spot in Wyoming.

02:41:03.000 That's where he lives.

02:41:04.000 That's why.

02:41:04.000 Well, he doesn't live there permanently all the time.

02:41:07.000 He lives in California as well.

02:41:10.000 I mean, he does have a ranch there.

02:41:12.000 He's got a gigantic 4,000-acre ranch there.

02:41:15.000 Ball in.

02:41:16.000 I had a dream that I moved to Wyoming.

02:41:18.000 There was a rumor you did move to Wyoming.

02:41:20.000 People were like, Joe bought a ranch in Wyoming.

02:41:22.000 Really?

02:41:23.000 People just say things that you've done that aren't true.

02:41:26.000 Is that weird being my friend and you hear these rumors?

02:41:28.000 No, I just go, oh, okay, good for him.

02:41:30.000 They're like, Joe bought this club.

02:41:31.000 He lives in Wyoming now.

02:41:34.000 He's moderating a presidential debate.

02:41:36.000 I'm like, good.

02:41:37.000 Do you defuse it?

02:41:39.000 No, I just go like this.

02:41:40.000 Oh! 0.60

02:41:41.000 Oh! 0.60

02:41:42.000 That's what I do.

02:41:43.000 Because the people that are saying it, I don't take seriously anyway.

02:41:45.000 By the way, Lindsey Graham has officially won re-election.

02:41:48.000 Oh.

02:41:49.000 Lindsey Graham was up against... 1.00

02:41:50.000 So did McConnell.

02:41:50.000 How?

02:41:51.000 And Rich McConnell.

02:41:52.000 That was a given.

02:41:52.000 It was no...

02:41:53.000 I mean...

02:41:53.000 This race was actually...

02:41:54.000 There was a chance for the other guy.

02:41:55.000 Who runs against these guys? 1.00

02:41:57.000 I mean, they're so pathetic. 1.00

02:41:58.000 Well, Amy McGrath... 1.00

02:42:00.000 And Amy McGrath... 0.99

02:42:01.000 Should have been defeated by a guy named, I think it's Charles Booker, who was a much better candidate.

02:42:06.000 But she edged him out in the primary, and then she guaranteed lost to McConnell in two seconds. 1.00

02:42:11.000 When is Pelosi up?

02:42:12.000 It's the only thing I saw that flip.

02:42:14.000 Pelosi, she's being primaried right now by a guy by the name of Shahid Batar.

02:42:20.000 Right now?

02:42:20.000 Yes, I believe right now.

02:42:22.000 I mean, she's going to win.

02:42:24.000 She's going to win.

02:42:25.000 In this election.

02:42:26.000 I believe so.

02:42:27.000 I believe Shahid Batar is up this election.

02:42:28.000 I should look that up.

02:42:29.000 Let me take a look.

02:42:32.000 Trump, baby, he could do it.

02:42:34.000 And this is a real interesting moment in American history.

02:42:38.000 How many guns are you going to get if he wins?

02:42:40.000 I'll get one or two.

02:42:42.000 Do you have one now?

02:42:43.000 I don't have one now, but I should get one now.

02:42:44.000 When you move here, you've got to get a gun.

02:42:46.000 If he wins, you have to move here, right?

02:42:49.000 No.

02:42:50.000 I'll wait a little.

02:42:50.000 I've got to wait a little.

02:42:51.000 I'm not saying no.

02:42:52.000 I'm saying I've got to wait a little bit.

02:42:54.000 Pelosi's up now, by the way.

02:42:55.000 I've got to, you know...

02:42:56.000 She's up?

02:42:57.000 Well, no, she's up as in she's up for re-election.

02:43:00.000 She's up meaning she's awake.

02:43:02.000 She's in San Francisco.

02:43:03.000 She's up like this.

02:43:05.000 In the coffin.

02:43:07.000 She just got up.

02:43:08.000 Like a vampire.

02:43:09.000 Dude, I'm telling you right now, this is going to be the moment in the night.

02:43:11.000 We're all going to say it when it turns to Trump.

02:43:13.000 First results in 45 minutes for that.

02:43:15.000 Oh, okay.

02:43:16.000 First results.

02:43:17.000 How could she possibly lose?

02:43:20.000 District 12. This is going to be a really interesting next couple of days.

02:43:25.000 I'm kind of glad I'm flying out early in the morning because I think some of the people in Austin are going to get fun.

02:43:30.000 Nah, this place doesn't get that fun.

02:43:32.000 During downtown, you don't think you're going to get a little wacky?

02:43:35.000 No. 1.00

02:43:35.000 Listen, the governor here doesn't fuck around, man. 1.00

02:43:38.000 He takes care of shit. 1.00

02:43:39.000 If they think that something's going to happen, they'll do something about it. 1.00

02:43:42.000 What I'm amazed is that there's not a revolution in San Francisco.

02:43:46.000 I have some friends that just got back from San Francisco, and they used to live there, and they hadn't been in a while, and they just went back. 0.99

02:43:53.000 And the fucking horror stories... 0.99

02:43:55.000 By the way, very lefty. 1.00

02:43:57.000 Right.

02:43:58.000 Left-leaning people.

02:43:59.000 Of course.

02:44:00.000 And they were furious.

02:44:01.000 At what's going on?

02:44:02.000 And aghast.

02:44:03.000 And they were like, I can't believe it. 0.99

02:44:04.000 There's literally shit and needles everywhere. 0.99

02:44:07.000 It's very bad. 0.99

02:44:07.000 Tents everywhere. 0.99

02:44:09.000 They were like, whatever it was, like the last time they were there, they were there about two years ago, I think they said, and it was getting bad.

02:44:15.000 Right.

02:44:15.000 But they said it's unrecognizable.

02:44:17.000 So I have another update here for you.

02:44:20.000 There's a Democratic senator by the name of Doug Jones in Alabama, and he was just unseated by Republican Tommy Tuberville.

02:44:29.000 I don't like that guy's name at all.

02:44:31.000 Football coach.

02:44:31.000 Tuberville.

02:44:32.000 What's that?

02:44:33.000 He's a football coach.

02:44:34.000 Tuberville's a football coach?

02:44:35.000 What is Ohio doing right now?

02:44:36.000 The real Tuberville or another Tuberville?

02:44:38.000 Republican Tommy Tuberville has defeated Democratic Senator Doug Jones.

02:44:42.000 He sounds like an Adam Sandler character.

02:44:44.000 Yes, he does.

02:44:45.000 Like in a movie?

02:44:46.000 It seems like a fake name.

02:44:47.000 Head football coach.

02:44:48.000 Very fake.

02:44:48.000 So the head football coach?

02:44:50.000 Not for them, but...

02:44:51.000 Doug Jones won a special election, and so he barely made it, and it's Alabama.

02:44:57.000 It's a miracle that a Democrat won in Alabama anyway. 0.89

02:44:59.000 And so now the Republican took the seat back, Tommy Tuberville.

02:45:02.000 Dun, dun, dun.

02:45:03.000 Now, what about Ohio?

02:45:04.000 Because Ohio is a pivotal state.

02:45:08.000 Well, there was a projection, right, that a lot of things were going to go Democratic this term.

02:45:11.000 Yes.

02:45:12.000 I can tell you which states were predicted to go which way.

02:45:17.000 Which one do you want to know?

02:45:18.000 Ohio was predicted to go to Trump.

02:45:20.000 Really?

02:45:21.000 Yes, he was up in the average of polls there.

02:45:24.000 And Iowa as well was predicted to go Trump.

02:45:26.000 What's this?

02:45:27.000 Ohio.

02:45:28.000 He pulled up Ohio for you.

02:45:29.000 80% reported Trump up.

02:45:31.000 Ohio Trump's got 50,000 votes.

02:45:33.000 See, that's Trump.

02:45:35.000 So far, Trump is outperforming the polls by 2%, which is pretty solid.

02:45:39.000 Go over Pennsylvania real quick.

02:45:41.000 Because that's big, right?

02:45:42.000 Pennsylvania's a big one.

02:45:44.000 Look at that.

02:45:45.000 Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, all the places that you'd expect blue.

02:45:48.000 Allentown, that's interesting.

02:45:50.000 I think the mail ballots, Kyle, are 200-something thousand that are heavily Biden.

02:45:54.000 That could definitely...

02:45:57.000 Michigan and Wisconsin, like all those states, Joe, they're counting the votes on the day first, and then the mail-ins come later.

02:46:05.000 So it's going to look like Trump is up at first, but especially when it comes to Wisconsin and Michigan, Trump's going to lose because Biden's up big in those states.

02:46:13.000 They're almost safe blue states.

02:46:14.000 Interesting, because it's red now, so it'll be...

02:46:17.000 Because that's all the votes from today, and those always skew more Republican.

02:46:21.000 Interesting.

02:46:21.000 But again, there's places where it's the opposite.

02:46:24.000 Like in the Sunbelt, for example, they count them the other way.

02:46:26.000 How did you learn all about this stuff?

02:46:27.000 Did you go to school for it?

02:46:29.000 No, I'm kidding.

02:46:31.000 Researching, reading about all this stuff.

02:46:34.000 But how did you get into it?

02:46:37.000 I mean, I did go to school for political science.

02:46:40.000 And, you know, like I said, I kind of had my political awakening with the Iraq War.

02:46:43.000 And ever since then, I've just cared a lot about what's going on.

02:46:46.000 Because I thought it was crazy.

02:46:47.000 I thought it was crazy.

02:46:47.000 We're going to go to war with a country that didn't attack us.

02:46:49.000 And we're going to be there.

02:46:51.000 You know, we've been there two decades now.

02:46:53.000 I was cooked up on Long Island and really drunk.

02:46:56.000 And I thought the Iraq War was a great idea. 1.00

02:46:58.000 And I would argue with people in the bars in Long Island.

02:47:01.000 I would say we have to honor our commitment to the people of Iraq.

02:47:05.000 So do you not understand a little bit why it was not such a horrible idea?

02:47:10.000 Coke is supposed to make you anti-war, not pro-war.

02:47:13.000 No, not if you're in Long Island.

02:47:14.000 What are you talking about?

02:47:16.000 I thought we were doing the right thing.

02:47:18.000 Why would you think Coke would make you anti-war?

02:47:21.000 Oh, because you're just happy.

02:47:22.000 No, you're angry.

02:47:23.000 No, you're angry.

02:47:24.000 Coke people are angry. 1.00

02:47:25.000 Well, listen, when I'm happy, angry, which is the best kind of happy.

02:47:27.000 They want to start fights and businesses at the same time.

02:47:30.000 When I did Adderall, it was just the businesses.

02:47:32.000 It wasn't the fights.

02:47:33.000 Yeah.

02:47:33.000 It was business.

02:47:33.000 How long did you do Adderall for?

02:47:34.000 Oh, I never did it regularly, but I would do it in college.

02:47:37.000 I dabbled.

02:47:40.000 I tasted it.

02:47:41.000 I tasted it.

02:47:42.000 I dabbled.

02:47:42.000 So, Tim, do you have any pills you maybe could hook me up for?

02:47:44.000 No, I wish I don't have.

02:47:45.000 I'm sober now.

02:47:46.000 I have nothing.

02:47:47.000 That's a shame.

02:47:47.000 I have nothing.

02:47:48.000 You've been sober for quite a while.

02:47:49.000 Ten years.

02:47:50.000 That's amazing.

02:47:51.000 Over ten years.

02:47:51.000 Nothing.

02:47:52.000 No lapses at all?

02:47:52.000 No lapses at all.

02:47:53.000 What was like the come to Jesus moment? 0.53

02:47:56.000 I bought a house when I was 22 years old for $700,000 and I didn't have any money.

02:48:01.000 And I woke up the next day and I said, this is a real problem.

02:48:05.000 Most people wake up next to somebody, they wake up next to a woman that they're like, what happened here?

02:48:11.000 I woke up in a $600,000 house that I had no idea how to really pay for.

02:48:16.000 But I was investing in myself. 1.00

02:48:18.000 And I think anyone that didn't take out a big mortgage in 2007 was a pussy. 1.00

02:48:24.000 And I still think that. 1.00

02:48:25.000 And fuck you, you should learn how to live. 1.00

02:48:28.000 Learn how to live. 1.00

02:48:28.000 So wait, when the crash came, what were your thoughts? 1.00

02:48:31.000 Were you like, oh, this was going to happen?

02:48:33.000 Well, my thoughts were I'm in a little bit of trouble, but I was like, I'm just going to ride it out and just keep on keeping on.

02:48:41.000 Because I was working for a guy that said, just don't read the news and keep on trucking.

02:48:46.000 What did you think when Nancy Pelosi said that regardless of what the numbers are, we're going to elect Joe Biden as president?

02:48:53.000 Did you see her say that?

02:48:54.000 I did not see that.

02:48:55.000 I saw Hillary say something along the lines of, don't concede under any circumstance, something like that.

02:49:00.000 Pelosi took it another level.

02:49:02.000 She said, regardless of what the results... 0.84

02:49:04.000 Well, she's a little bit like Biden, where she's a zombie. 1.00

02:49:06.000 Like, her brain's not firing on all cylinders. 0.80

02:49:08.000 Well, she's a little bit more elusive than he is, don't you think so?

02:49:11.000 No, I've seen videos that are just as bad as the Biden videos, where she's really having trouble.

02:49:16.000 Yes!

02:49:16.000 Did you see her bark at Wolf Blitzer?

02:49:18.000 I did see that.

02:49:19.000 In fact, I covered that.

02:49:20.000 That was the first time Wolf Blitzer's ever done a good job, basically.

02:49:24.000 It was that video.

02:49:25.000 Yeah, he basically...

02:49:26.000 Yeah, he was basically saying like, okay, people need money. 0.99

02:49:29.000 We don't have the ability to fuck around here. 0.99

02:49:32.000 And, you know, she basically... 1.00

02:49:35.000 She didn't have an answer.

02:49:36.000 She didn't have a straight answer. 0.83

02:49:37.000 But she also was chastising him and being really shitty to him. 0.57

02:49:40.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:49:41.000 It was really weird, like, expressing almost royalty.

02:49:45.000 She's an odd woman. 1.00

02:49:46.000 I'm so sorry you're wrong about this.

02:49:49.000 That's what she said.

02:49:50.000 Remember that journalist Laura Loomer who used to climb in Nancy Pelosi's window and stuff? 1.00

02:49:55.000 Like that lunatic?

02:49:56.000 She was fun though. 0.94

02:49:57.000 I liked her.

02:49:58.000 But Nancy Pelosi never... 1.00

02:50:00.000 Nancy's like she doesn't have any human... 1.00

02:50:02.000 She's just a million years old. 0.97

02:50:04.000 She looks like this porcelain weird grandma.

02:50:06.000 She's got great eyebrows.

02:50:08.000 She's got good eyebrows, but nobody knows what her name is.

02:50:10.000 She's worth like hundreds of millions of dollars. 1.00

02:50:12.000 Her husband's like a tech CEO or something.

02:50:14.000 Yeah, see, that's kind of crazy.

02:50:17.000 When you see how she's wrong.

02:50:19.000 She won the primary in Florida. 1.00

02:50:21.000 Damn it, she lost. 1.00

02:50:21.000 She just got drexed. 1.00

02:50:23.000 Yo, Lois Frankel just beat Laura Loomer. 1.00

02:50:26.000 That's the big race of the night.

02:50:28.000 Oh, Lois. 1.00

02:50:29.000 Damn it. 1.00

02:50:31.000 Laura Loomer's just going to have to go back to climbing in Nancy Pelosi's window. 1.00

02:50:34.000 She can't win in Florida. 0.99

02:50:35.000 God.

02:50:36.000 Yeah, Florida's a loomer country. 0.73

02:50:39.000 You can't do it there.

02:50:41.000 Isn't that amazing, though, that she won the primary?

02:50:43.000 Yeah, why not?

02:50:44.000 There's a lot of QAnon people that are now winning, like, primaries.

02:50:47.000 No, it's true.

02:50:49.000 If someone won, I'll pull it up.

02:50:51.000 Listen, it's the Trumpification of politics in that you can kind of wing it, but if you have a better, like, presentation than the other people, like, yeah, you can win.

02:50:59.000 All these old politicians, Joe, you know this, they're so stodgy and stuck up, and they...

02:51:03.000 Too scripted, and then you got these people.

02:51:04.000 What is this?

02:51:05.000 QAnon supporting... 1.00

02:51:06.000 Oh, the fucking pop-up. 1.00

02:51:07.000 QAnon supporting candidate... 1.00

02:51:09.000 She won.

02:51:11.000 Marjorie?

02:51:11.000 How do you say her name?

02:51:13.000 Marjorie.

02:51:14.000 Marjorie?

02:51:15.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene guaranteed a congressional win.

02:51:17.000 She didn't win, apparently.

02:51:19.000 She didn't win?

02:51:19.000 She did win.

02:51:20.000 She did win.

02:51:21.000 Mm-hmm.

02:51:22.000 QAnon candidate.

02:51:23.000 Oh, well, her opponent dropped out.

02:51:24.000 Oh, that's probably why it's guaranteed.

02:51:26.000 It's probably why it's guaranteed.

02:51:28.000 They're probably threatening them.

02:51:29.000 So everybody on Twitter is convinced now that Trump's going to get it.

02:51:33.000 Wow.

02:51:33.000 That's what I see on Twitter.

02:51:35.000 What are people saying?

02:51:36.000 Is the sock lady still alive? 0.85

02:51:38.000 People are saying 2016 all over again is what people are saying.

02:51:40.000 The lady with the glasses and the sock hat and his treat? 0.69

02:51:43.000 No!

02:51:44.000 I know who you're talking about.

02:51:45.000 It is kind of 2016. It was the polls went one way.

02:51:48.000 Yeah.

02:51:48.000 And then the crowds.

02:51:49.000 What did I say at the beginning of this fucking podcast when we were outside? 0.99

02:51:53.000 You walked in and you said Trump's going to win. 0.99

02:51:55.000 I said he's going to win.

02:51:55.000 He's going to win.

02:51:56.000 I don't believe the polls. 1.00

02:51:57.000 Only morons answer polls. 1.00

02:51:59.000 And the media is insanely biased against him. 1.00

02:52:02.000 And they think that by saying that he can't win and he's not going to win, that somehow or another they can hypnotize people into voting.

02:52:07.000 We just spent this period of time with the media.

02:52:09.000 We watched things burn down and people's property get destroyed.

02:52:12.000 And the media said it wasn't happening.

02:52:14.000 It's not happening. 1.00

02:52:15.000 And if you bring it up, you're nuts. 0.94

02:52:16.000 Also, there's the psychology of fence-sitters. 0.99

02:52:18.000 The psychology of fence-sitters, they don't want to vote on losers.

02:52:22.000 And then they want to be like, oh, I went Trump.

02:52:25.000 You know, I was thinking he was going to win.

02:52:28.000 The bandwagon effect is real.

02:52:28.000 It's super real.

02:52:29.000 It's huge.

02:52:30.000 So when the media is gaslighting you and saying it looks like 99% that Joe Biden is going to win, Joe Biden is a stronger candidate, he's going to win all these days.

02:52:40.000 And then people hear that, they go, well, I might as well vote for the winner.

02:52:43.000 And they'll vote for it.

02:52:44.000 Right.

02:52:45.000 It does happen with people.

02:52:46.000 I mean, this is interesting because this has made a significant turnout where it feels like there's an inevitability a little bit about Trump's second term.

02:52:54.000 This is the opposite of the Young Turks coverage of 2016. I'm just waiting for Alex Jones to bust in here with cigars and singing.

02:53:04.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:53:05.000 He's doing his own live show right now.

02:53:06.000 Listen, I do think that people are kind of getting ahead of themselves because we are seeing the mail-in votes versus the votes on the day.

02:53:12.000 Oh, listen to the communists.

02:53:13.000 Okay.

02:53:15.000 There'd be...

02:53:16.000 Quick question.

02:53:18.000 So marijuana seems like it's passed in New Jersey, officially, for those over 21. Woo!

02:53:25.000 Woo! 0.99

02:53:26.000 I've only been to New York a couple times.

02:53:28.000 Being so close to New York City, isn't it almost by default not going to be legal there because of how close it is and people just travel?

02:53:35.000 In terms of purchasing it, no, not necessarily, but bringing it in and smoking it, yeah, I can see that for sure.

02:53:42.000 But there's an issue with the alcohol lobby in New York where they actually paid the politicians quite a bit of money, and that's one of the reasons why you haven't seen much chatter about it in New York versus other states. 0.94

02:53:51.000 Dude, New York is dirty. 0.94

02:53:53.000 They have so much corruption. 0.93

02:53:55.000 They kept the UFC out for decades.

02:53:57.000 We were stuck because of unions.

02:54:00.000 They kept us out because there was all sorts of disputes and people went to jail because of it for corruption.

02:54:07.000 There's so much dirtiness with some...

02:54:10.000 Some of the unions, not that unions are bad.

02:54:12.000 I support a lot of unions.

02:54:14.000 A lot of people that are in these positions, they're not doing what's best for people. 0.95

02:54:19.000 They're doing whatever the fuck this person paid them to pass or not pass or not let pass. 0.97

02:54:25.000 I mean, MMA was legal in every other state for a long fucking time. 0.99

02:54:29.000 And New York was one of the last ones. 0.98

02:54:31.000 Well, New York has always just been that institutionally corrupt Yeah, always.

02:54:38.000 Chicago, too.

02:54:38.000 I'm getting triggered because you're bashing my home.

02:54:41.000 New York?

02:54:42.000 Hey, I love New York, too.

02:54:43.000 I love New York.

02:54:44.000 Where I grew up is where you were in New York.

02:54:46.000 Yeah, I used to live in New York.

02:54:46.000 That's right.

02:54:47.000 That's where I grew up.

02:54:47.000 I was born in New Jersey.

02:54:49.000 I mean, I'm East Coast.

02:54:50.000 I spent most of my young years in Boston.

02:54:52.000 Well, from 13 to 24, at least.

02:54:55.000 My high school years, all through Boston.

02:54:56.000 And you kicked the Boston accent. 0.54

02:54:58.000 Yeah, well, I kicked it because I saw myself on TV when I was 19. When I was 19, I won the Bay State Games in Taekwondo, and then I heard myself on TV, and I was like, oh my god, what the fuck is that? 0.99

02:55:07.000 I was like, we were working really hard. 0.94

02:55:10.000 I was like, oh my god.

02:55:12.000 You know, look, I was trying to fit in.

02:55:14.000 When I was 13, when I moved there, I moved there from Florida, and I just wanted to fit in.

02:55:20.000 And then when I went to high school, I was going to high school in Boston, or in Newton, rather.

02:55:26.000 And all those kids had that accent.

02:55:29.000 So listen, I've been having this conversation a lot recently.

02:55:32.000 Do you think him and I definitely have, he has probably a little bit more of a New York accent than me?

02:55:36.000 Yeah, I have a really New York accent.

02:55:38.000 Your accent is barely New York.

02:55:41.000 I would say educated East Coast.

02:55:43.000 But not...

02:55:44.000 you don't have like...

02:55:46.000 the accents are always like...

02:55:48.000 My accent sounds East Coast uneducated.

02:55:49.000 Not educated on the East Coast.

02:55:51.000 Well, I wouldn't...

02:55:52.000 No, we actually do share some words in common.

02:55:55.000 Like when I say the word all, I struggle with...

02:55:58.000 it sounds like I'm saying A-U-L-L. I sound like Colin a little bit.

02:56:02.000 Colin Quinn?

02:56:03.000 Colin Quinn?

02:56:03.000 Yeah, I can see that a little bit.

02:56:04.000 Do you?

02:56:05.000 I think so.

02:56:05.000 I can see it a little bit.

02:56:06.000 We have a similar comment.

02:56:07.000 It's a rasp.

02:56:08.000 A little bit of a rasp, but Colin's much more East Coast with the accent.

02:56:12.000 Yeah, probably.

02:56:13.000 The other word, I'm told, is very New Yorkish in how I say it is Florida.

02:56:18.000 Florida.

02:56:18.000 Florida, yeah, me too.

02:56:20.000 How are you supposed to say it?

02:56:22.000 Florida.

02:56:23.000 Florida.

02:56:24.000 It's tightened up a little bit on the live bedding, just so we're What does this mean?

02:56:28.000 I like how that's our go-to. 0.99

02:56:30.000 What do a bunch of assholes in Vegas think? 1.00

02:56:32.000 It's not Vegas, it's live. 1.00

02:56:34.000 I'm joking around. 0.99

02:56:34.000 Two and a half to one, that's a fucking big bet. 0.99

02:56:36.000 I think it's all coming down to PA. Yeah, it is coming down to PA. Let's see where PA's at now. 0.99

02:56:42.000 Again, it's going to lean Republican at the moment.

02:56:45.000 We're having a good time over here.

02:56:47.000 I think it's still at 33%.

02:56:54.000 Is that what it was?

02:56:55.000 What is the best for avoiding violence in this country?

02:56:58.000 I mean, leaving?

02:57:00.000 Right, right, right.

02:57:00.000 But in terms of, like, who wins?

02:57:02.000 The best case scenario to avoid violence, I think...

02:57:05.000 Would be Biden.

02:57:05.000 Well, it would have been a landslide either way.

02:57:07.000 He's up by 170,000.

02:57:10.000 Nobody's fearing right-wing violence.

02:57:12.000 I think.

02:57:14.000 I think people are.

02:57:15.000 Yeah, but the majority is, I think, people are fearing if Trump wins again, there's violence.

02:57:21.000 I don't know, man.

02:57:22.000 There was a Trump car parade by my place the other day. 0.99

02:57:27.000 These motherfuckers were honking for two and a half hours straight and blocking the entire Tappensy Bridge slash Cuomo Bridge. 0.99

02:57:33.000 I just think we're always worried about the Nazis and the right-wing supremacist militias. 0.99

02:57:39.000 I don't know that that ever comes true in this country.

02:57:41.000 That's just the media.

02:57:44.000 Does that happen?

02:57:45.000 No.

02:57:45.000 No, there are.

02:57:45.000 There are deaths from right-wing, from far-right terrorists.

02:57:49.000 Yeah, but look at the damage done over the last six months with political protests or political riots.

02:57:54.000 I think 90% of it is left-wing.

02:57:56.000 Yeah, but, well, maybe, but hold on.

02:57:58.000 I don't know about that. 1.00

02:57:58.000 They tried to kill the fucking governor of Michigan. 1.00

02:58:00.000 What? 1.00

02:58:02.000 Joe, we forgot about that little one.

02:58:04.000 Nobody even tried.

02:58:06.000 They got exposed.

02:58:07.000 The FBI probably put them up to it.

02:58:08.000 I've said many times that...

02:58:10.000 It seems like they did.

02:58:10.000 Two of the guys were FBI informants.

02:58:12.000 Well, maybe that's what the people of Michigan wanted.

02:58:14.000 The point is this.

02:58:16.000 I don't know.

02:58:17.000 I'm asking you if that was a popular position.

02:58:20.000 What's the initiative on it?

02:58:22.000 But no, but let's be honest.

02:58:24.000 There's this fantasy that we're on the edge of all these right-wing militias coming around.

02:58:30.000 It's never borne out by the facts.

02:58:32.000 Well, it's a thing that they like to repeat in the news.

02:58:34.000 Like, here's one of them.

02:58:35.000 When Chris Wallace said to Trump, do you denounce white supremacists? 1.00

02:58:39.000 Do you know this is like a fucking video compilation of Trump denouncing white supremacists over and over and over and over again? 0.99

02:58:45.000 That is true, but there's always a but and a by the way. 0.99

02:58:48.000 It's always like, yeah, yeah, I'll say the thing you want me to say, but, I mean, come on, the real problem is Antifa, and let's only talk about Antifa.

02:58:53.000 That's not true.

02:58:54.000 No.

02:58:55.000 In the video compilation, there's multiple occasions where they asked him to do that.

02:59:00.000 He goes, absolutely.

02:59:01.000 He goes, I denounce all hate.

02:59:02.000 I denounce the KKK. I denounce...

02:59:04.000 He says it over and over again.

02:59:06.000 Right, but then, what does he say right after?

02:59:08.000 No, listen, that Chris Wallace doesn't know that, that he's already said that, that he's pretending that he hasn't done it, is kind of shameful for a guy who's doing a debate.

02:59:17.000 I know that the media is dishonest, and I know that they do exactly the thing that you're accusing them of doing, but my point is, he leads with that, and then it's always like, oh yeah, and by the way, the left-wingers are the real problem, let's focus on the left-wingers.

02:59:28.000 Not always, but he has said that in the past.

02:59:31.000 That's all I've seen him do.

02:59:32.000 But the left-wingers when it comes to these attacks, like in Portland and in Seattle, that is a lot of Antifa. 0.99

02:59:39.000 But the weird thing about that is, and I was talking to someone who actually understands this stuff, and he was telling me, listen, make no mistake about it, that shit's funded. 0.97

02:59:47.000 He goes, it's funded and organized. 0.98

02:59:49.000 He goes, it's funded and organized. 1.00

02:59:51.000 They're a bunch of idiots. 1.00

02:59:52.000 How do you know? 1.00

02:59:53.000 Because there's like the Soros conspiracy, like, oh, there's big money funding some pink-haired and purple-haired college kids who don't even know what the fuck they're doing, and they're out there. 0.98

03:00:01.000 They can't even give you a real political cause. 1.00

03:00:03.000 They're just burning shit down. 0.98

03:00:04.000 But that creates all sorts of turmoil. 0.98

03:00:07.000 That creates turmoil, and that creates an erosion of our belief in our democracy.

03:00:13.000 Right, but I don't think there's an ideological long game being played by a purple-haired college kid. 1.00

03:00:18.000 I think they're a fucking idiot. 1.00

03:00:19.000 I don't think they're a part of the ideological long game. 1.00

03:00:21.000 You said they were funded.

03:00:22.000 No, no, I said they're pawns.

03:00:24.000 Right, but you were saying they were funded.

03:00:25.000 Someone wants this to happen.

03:00:26.000 Someone wants this deterioration of our democracy.

03:00:29.000 So who's funding it?

03:00:29.000 That's a good question.

03:00:30.000 They say George Soros. 1.00

03:00:31.000 They say fucking George Soros because he's the fucking boogeyman that they always go to. 1.00

03:00:34.000 But why do they always say that? 1.00

03:00:35.000 Because they're half right because, yes, he is somebody who funds politicians and is corrupt.

03:00:41.000 But it's the same thing with the Koch brothers. 0.99

03:00:43.000 It's the same thing with fucking Sheldon Adelson who just gave Trump $75 million the other day. 0.99

03:00:47.000 Like, yeah, this is what they do. 0.99

03:00:48.000 But it's weird.

03:00:49.000 And it's weird on the right and the left when they single out, like, one evil billionaire and they act like, oh, that's the real problem.

03:00:56.000 No, the problem is that all of them are funding our politicians.

03:00:58.000 Do you know when Glenn Beck was at Fox, they told him there's two things they wanted to talk about.

03:01:02.000 They wanted him to stop talking about God, and they wanted him to stop talking about George Soros.

03:01:07.000 They said, don't bring up George Soros.

03:01:08.000 Interesting.

03:01:09.000 Glenn Beck, towards the end of his thing at Fox, kind of went insane and started talking about the Masons and symbology, and it was some of the best television I'd ever watched.

03:01:16.000 Yes, with the chalkboard.

03:01:17.000 Remember when he had that room that seemed like a really rich guy's den who maybe had a nuclear reactor in his basement?

03:01:24.000 And then he would just be like, why is this symbol on the money?

03:01:27.000 It's like, oh, this is good.

03:01:28.000 We're really getting to it now.

03:01:30.000 Now we're really getting to it.

03:01:31.000 And then they took him out in a box.

03:01:34.000 Well, he started doing his own thing online, and he was one of the first guys to be super successful online.

03:01:39.000 He's so successful.

03:01:40.000 With the Blaze Shield.

03:01:44.000 Oh, the tides and Apollo, the moon landing.

03:01:46.000 Remember Acorn?

03:01:47.000 It was like, this was the biggest scam ever.

03:01:49.000 All the Republicans were like, people were given cigarettes to vote for Obama. 1.00

03:01:52.000 It was such a bullshit thing. 0.99

03:01:54.000 Fox News did this for two months. 0.99

03:01:55.000 They're like, people were given Ripple and malt liquor in Newport so they could vote for Obama.

03:02:00.000 It's like, okay, guys, wait a minute.

03:02:01.000 Can I get a glass of water?

03:02:03.000 Yeah.

03:02:03.000 They were like, yeah, there he is.

03:02:06.000 There it is.

03:02:07.000 Yeah, Glenn Beck really did kind of lose his marbles towards the end of Fox.

03:02:10.000 He did, but it was getting good.

03:02:11.000 It was fun.

03:02:12.000 Anytime someone's drawing, that means they're in a good space mentally.

03:02:16.000 So when he left and went over to his own organization...

03:02:19.000 He did the Blaze.

03:02:20.000 Yeah, the Blaze was his network, but I think it went belly up.

03:02:23.000 Something went belly up, because the Blaze is still around.

03:02:25.000 It was bought out by, I think, Ben Shapiro's people.

03:02:27.000 Is that what it was?

03:02:28.000 I think so.

03:02:28.000 Maybe.

03:02:29.000 But it was very successful for a while.

03:02:31.000 I remember he was making like $10 million a month.

03:02:34.000 I was like, what?!

03:02:35.000 That guy's got issues.

03:02:37.000 I don't think he handled the finances particularly well, which is why I think it kind of went down.

03:02:40.000 What are you saying?

03:02:41.000 Coke?

03:02:42.000 Drugs? 1.00

03:02:42.000 Whores? 1.00

03:02:43.000 Let's see. 0.99

03:02:44.000 He is the CEO, founder, and owner of Mercury Radio Arts, the parent company of his television radio network, The Blaze.

03:02:50.000 Let me see The Blaze.

03:02:51.000 I'm going to type in The Blaze Ben Shapiro, because I think that they might have been working on a deal.

03:02:55.000 Let me see.

03:02:56.000 Daily Wire turns five years now.

03:03:02.000 He's moving to Nashville.

03:03:03.000 He's moving the organization in Nashville.

03:03:05.000 He bailed out of California.

03:03:07.000 See ya!

03:03:08.000 I don't know why.

03:03:09.000 Why was he ever there in the first place?

03:03:10.000 That's where he grew up.

03:03:12.000 Oh, he grew up in California.

03:03:12.000 Strong Jewish community.

03:03:13.000 He hates any sort of left-leaning anything.

03:03:16.000 A little bit.

03:03:17.000 Yeah, a little bit.

03:03:18.000 I'd say so.

03:03:19.000 A little bit.

03:03:19.000 Have you ever met him?

03:03:20.000 I've never met him, no.

03:03:21.000 Very, very nice guy.

03:03:22.000 I like him a lot.

03:03:23.000 I'm sure you love me.

03:03:24.000 No, I don't know that guy.

03:03:25.000 You talk about Ben Shapiro.

03:03:26.000 Ben Shapiro.

03:03:28.000 I like him a lot.

03:03:28.000 He's a very nice guy.

03:03:29.000 He's a sweet guy.

03:03:30.000 I saw him at a farmer's market once.

03:03:31.000 He's like a small man.

03:03:33.000 He's not that big.

03:03:34.000 Yeah.

03:03:34.000 Nice guy, though.

03:03:35.000 He's a very nice guy.

03:03:36.000 He really is.

03:03:37.000 We don't agree on everything, but here it is.

03:03:40.000 I never understand.

03:03:41.000 It's amazing when somebody's like, a guy like that's dangerous.

03:03:44.000 I'm like, just talk to him.

03:03:45.000 Ben Shapiro's website is in talks to buy Glenn Beck's The Blaze, but I don't know if they actually did it.

03:03:49.000 You were in talks for it.

03:03:51.000 You know what's interesting?

03:03:52.000 Why would he want to buy something?

03:03:54.000 You already got your own thing.

03:03:56.000 You want to expand?

03:03:57.000 Consolidate?

03:03:58.000 Maybe I'm going to buy Tim Dillon's Going to Hell and bring it back.

03:04:01.000 Please.

03:04:02.000 You can do it.

03:04:03.000 We want a boss. 0.55

03:04:04.000 We're looking for a boss.

03:04:05.000 I'm looking for sponsorship.

03:04:07.000 You all want independence.

03:04:08.000 I want sponsorship.

03:04:09.000 What kind of sponsorship are you looking for?

03:04:11.000 Anything.

03:04:11.000 The Blaze, the Flay of Fish, Daily Wire, Daily Caller, anything daily, the Daily Racist.

03:04:19.000 Let's see what the latest results are.

03:04:21.000 Hit me with it.

03:04:23.000 Come on.

03:04:24.000 Much has changed.

03:04:26.000 Something's changed.

03:04:27.000 Yeah.

03:04:27.000 And again, we're not getting...

03:04:29.000 Oh, it's getting tight.

03:04:30.000 108, 131. Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun.

03:04:32.000 We're not getting a real accurate picture because of the mail-in situation.

03:04:35.000 Stop with the mail-in communists. 0.99

03:04:37.000 Because I see everybody flipping out, and I'm like, hey, idiots, they're counting all the mail-ins first in certain places, and they're counting all the regular votes first in certain places. 0.99

03:04:43.000 But let's look at the gap in PA, because this is important. 0.98

03:04:46.000 Yeah, but it's not...

03:04:47.000 The gap in PA is very big.

03:04:48.000 It's very low, 35%.

03:04:49.000 It's 200 and...

03:04:50.000 No, but this is all the on-the-day votes.

03:04:52.000 Stop.

03:04:53.000 This is not the mail-ins where Biden's like 70%.

03:04:56.000 Stop with your communism.

03:04:58.000 That's a six point.

03:04:59.000 What percentage of the state's votes are mail-ins?

03:05:02.000 I don't know the percent that's mail-in, but I do know that the breakdown is going to be 60-70% Biden in the mail-ins.

03:05:10.000 Understand, but you got six points there.

03:05:12.000 That's a big gap.

03:05:13.000 You said it's 250,000 people, right?

03:05:15.000 That mail-in vote?

03:05:16.000 No, no, no.

03:05:17.000 I was talking about Philadelphia.

03:05:19.000 This is changing in real time.

03:05:20.000 220,000 in Pennsylvania.

03:05:23.000 Trump's going to declare victory in five minutes.

03:05:25.000 He's definitely going to do that.

03:05:26.000 He's coming out to declare victory in five minutes.

03:05:28.000 I wonder when he declares victory and whether or not...

03:05:31.000 Oh, soon.

03:05:31.000 Because, Joe, these are the states, these exact ones where Trump is up, the ones in the upper Midwest, Pennsylvania, those are the ones where we haven't counted the mail-ins, and if he comes out and says, hey, it looks like we're having a good night, what the hell's going to happen?

03:05:44.000 Because he's going to try to stop the vote there?

03:05:46.000 Do you have a little bit of sadness that he's going to win again?

03:05:49.000 Sadness over Trump winning? 0.99

03:05:50.000 I've been fucking dead inside for the longest time, okay? 1.00

03:05:53.000 Kyle, don't be dead inside. 1.00

03:05:54.000 You think I have feelings? 1.00

03:05:55.000 My fucking job, my job, Joe Rogan, is to follow this stuff every single day. 1.00

03:06:00.000 You can't be a sane person when you do this. 1.00

03:06:03.000 This is what I would know.

03:06:03.000 One of the things that Trump said is that the country was uniting.

03:06:08.000 This is like his narrative.

03:06:09.000 The country was uniting before COVID. They were starting to like him because the economy was doing well.

03:06:14.000 Yeah.

03:06:15.000 Did you buy any of that?

03:06:16.000 No, of course not.

03:06:17.000 I told you that even pre-COVID, we had 78% of the country was living paycheck to paycheck.

03:06:22.000 Half of workers were making $30,000 a year or less.

03:06:24.000 I think it was a mess.

03:06:25.000 When has there been a time when that wasn't the case in our lifetime?

03:06:29.000 Our economy has always been bad, but if you're asking me for a model to point to that I respect, I would say FDR, the New Deal, the Social Democratic era.

03:06:37.000 We're talking a different world.

03:06:39.000 During our lifetime, has there ever been a time where people were not living, 78% weren't living paycheck to paycheck like that?

03:06:45.000 I think the further back you go, it does get a little bit better.

03:06:48.000 Because there were still the remnants of the New Deal era programs and unionization.

03:06:52.000 Yes, exactly.

03:06:52.000 That's exactly right.

03:06:53.000 That's not our lifetime.

03:06:55.000 During our lifetime, there's never been a time where people have been any better than they were than during Trump's administration.

03:07:00.000 I mean, maybe they were slightly better in the 90s?

03:07:03.000 But I don't know.

03:07:04.000 I've never seen data for back then.

03:07:06.000 I can only tell you what I've seen recently.

03:07:07.000 What do you attribute, like, I know, and I'm not asking this because I'm trying to prove anything, I literally know nothing about economics.

03:07:13.000 What do you think was the reason why the economy was doing so well, at least on paper, during the Trump administration before COVID? So you mean, why is the unemployment rate low?

03:07:23.000 Why was the unemployment rate low?

03:07:25.000 Why was the stock market high?

03:07:27.000 Why were all these indicators that Trump was pointing to, this is the greatest economy the world has ever seen?

03:07:32.000 So a lot of it had to do with the 2017 Republican tax cut bill.

03:07:37.000 A lot of it had to do with his deregulation.

03:07:39.000 Because what happens when you deregulate and what happens when you cut taxes for the wealthy and corporations is you have this thing called a boom-bust cycle.

03:07:45.000 Where everything kind of takes off, and it looks like everything's amazing, and oh my god, look at these indicators, the unemployment rate is low, stocks are booming.

03:07:52.000 But that's the problem, is that it's kind of fake, and this is exactly what happened in the lead up to the Great Depression.

03:07:56.000 You had the roaring 20s, as it was called, because everything was taking off.

03:07:59.000 Oh my god, the stock market's amazing, everything's great, and then eventually, you have your day of reckoning.

03:08:03.000 It just so happened that in our case, it was COVID that kind of popped the bubble, right?

03:08:08.000 COVID was the thing that really was like, doot, this thing is all fake anyway.

03:08:11.000 But if it wasn't COVID, Joe, it would have been something else.

03:08:13.000 Because just like in 2008- Is it safe to say that it's COVID because it wasn't real anyway?

03:08:20.000 Because COVID just stopped people working dead in their tracks.

03:08:23.000 That's right.

03:08:23.000 No, no, that's right.

03:08:23.000 That was a giant, you know, issue that basically ground the economy to a halt.

03:08:27.000 And there's no escaping that.

03:08:28.000 You can't escape the economic reality of that, which is why, what did they do in response?

03:08:31.000 Like we said, they did the CARES Act.

03:08:33.000 They took $5 trillion and they pumped it into the economy, they handed it over to the corporations, and then they sat back and watched them make these terrible decisions.

03:08:40.000 What could be done?

03:08:41.000 Let's say Trump wins again.

03:08:43.000 What could be done to bring the economy back?

03:08:45.000 Well, first things first, stimulus immediately.

03:08:48.000 I would do a universal basic income check for the remainder of COVID. If you're going to do any sort of economic shutdowns, you have to pair that with relief for people.

03:08:55.000 We've discussed this already, but he obviously is not interested in doing that.

03:08:59.000 But he is.

03:09:00.000 He was going to do, not UBI, but he did want to do another stimulus bill, but it was Pelosi and McConnell who were blocking him.

03:09:06.000 Do you think he has more freedom to do anything if he wins again?

03:09:10.000 Does he have more freedom to do anything?

03:09:12.000 I'm looking for a silver lining here.

03:09:14.000 I mean, listen, the best he could do, because you're going to have a Senate and a House that's not really in line with him, okay?

03:09:22.000 So the best he could do is go all out on the executive orders and do the best you could do through that path.

03:09:28.000 It'll be a four-year kind of lame duck situation where the Congress and the Senate don't let him do anything, right?

03:09:33.000 It'll kind of be, he'll do some executive orders, they'll immediately be released, reversed, when AOC wins and cuts everyone's takeoff.

03:09:41.000 Is that what she's going to do? 0.77

03:09:43.000 I believe that she will be doing that.

03:09:44.000 Because you know what's going to swing back?

03:09:46.000 Do you get a choice?

03:09:46.000 He's going to win again, maybe.

03:09:49.000 Maybe, maybe not.

03:09:50.000 But if he wins again, it's swinging hard.

03:09:53.000 Like, it's going to be Ilhan Omar and AOC. See, the thing is, I actually think it's going to be the opposite.

03:10:01.000 I think they're going to go further right-wing.

03:10:02.000 I think they're going to go Amy Klobuchar.

03:10:03.000 I think they're going to go Kamala Harris.

03:10:05.000 I think it's like the establishment will have a stranglehold even more on the Democratic Party.

03:10:09.000 2024, Don Jr. The empire continues.

03:10:12.000 Listen, I don't know if I can take it.

03:10:14.000 I don't know if I can take it.

03:10:16.000 What?

03:10:16.000 The daughter and the son together?

03:10:18.000 Ivanka is a killer. 0.99

03:10:19.000 Do you think they could do that? 1.00

03:10:20.000 It's over anyway.

03:10:22.000 Let's let them try.

03:10:23.000 So, of the three, who's got the most ability?

03:10:26.000 Of the three, who's got the most ability?

03:10:28.000 Ivanka.

03:10:29.000 I don't know.

03:10:29.000 I'm curious who you think.

03:10:31.000 Of the three what?

03:10:32.000 Of the three Trump kids?

03:10:33.000 No, no, he's the son-in-law.

03:10:34.000 I'm talking about the three.

03:10:35.000 Ivanka, Eric, and Don.

03:10:37.000 Don Jr., Eric, or Ivanka.

03:10:38.000 They don't let Eric talk.

03:10:40.000 I think something's wrong.

03:10:41.000 That's not true.

03:10:41.000 He's on Fox News from time to time.

03:10:43.000 No, Eric is tied with Barron, and then you would have Don Jr. and then Ivanka.

03:10:48.000 I mean, let's be honest.

03:10:49.000 Don Jr. is the best talker.

03:10:51.000 Eric, they tried to get COVID. They would give him COVID and get him out of here.

03:10:55.000 They ventilated him months ago.

03:10:57.000 I actually think Eric has more promise than Don Jr., to tell you the truth.

03:11:00.000 Oh, we forgot about Tiffany.

03:11:02.000 Oh, I forgot about Tiffany, you're right.

03:11:03.000 She's the forgotten kid and I literally forgot her.

03:11:06.000 I think we're alone now.

03:11:08.000 Remember that song?

03:11:10.000 Where is Trump watching the results?

03:11:13.000 In a gold castle somewhere.

03:11:15.000 Underground.

03:11:16.000 No, he's at the White House.

03:11:17.000 Yeah.

03:11:18.000 They were going to have a party at the White House. 0.99

03:11:19.000 Has he started jerking off yet? 0.99

03:11:21.000 I don't know, man. 0.98

03:11:22.000 How many people are saying what you are saying, which is like, let's wait for the mail-ins, or is it kind of a... 0.99

03:11:30.000 Oh, it's fucking Twitter. 0.99

03:11:31.000 They're all going nuts. 1.00

03:11:32.000 Are they freaking out? 0.67

03:11:32.000 Oh my god, Trump won. 0.67

03:11:33.000 It's already over.

03:11:34.000 That's what I'm saying.

03:11:34.000 Yeah, hysteria.

03:11:35.000 And remember, this is mostly left-leaning Twitter.

03:11:38.000 Is everyone racist now?

03:11:40.000 Now, here's what's the question.

03:11:42.000 What is the percentage of Hispanic votes that he got and African-American votes?

03:11:45.000 That's fascinating.

03:11:46.000 It is fascinating, and let me tell you something.

03:11:48.000 What the numbers show already is that he's doing better than he did in 2016 with them.

03:11:53.000 I know!

03:11:54.000 But we all thought this.

03:11:56.000 He's gotten more Latinos and more black people than he did the last time.

03:11:58.000 The black conservative movement is not covered at all by the media, and you look on YouTube, it's got hundreds of thousands, millions of views.

03:12:03.000 It's very interesting, and the media ignores it completely.

03:12:06.000 What do you attribute that to?

03:12:08.000 I mean, he has done some token reaching out to them.

03:12:12.000 Prison reform, things like that.

03:12:14.000 He was doing a photo op with Lil Wayne the other day, and then before that, he was doing one with, you know, who was the other one?

03:12:19.000 Lil Pump, who he called Lil Pimp.

03:12:21.000 There's another one.

03:12:22.000 He called him Lil Pimp?

03:12:23.000 Yeah, he brought him out.

03:12:24.000 He goes, can you get that up, Jamie?

03:12:25.000 He brings it up.

03:12:26.000 This is amazing.

03:12:27.000 Have you seen this?

03:12:28.000 You have to see this.

03:12:29.000 You have to watch this.

03:12:30.000 Did he just not forget his name?

03:12:31.000 He has no idea what's going on.

03:12:32.000 It's great. 0.96

03:12:33.000 No, but he does even better with Latinos than he does with black people. 0.88

03:12:37.000 Well, Jorge Masvidal was campaigning for him. 0.97

03:12:41.000 Trump, Lil Pimp.

03:12:43.000 This is great.

03:12:44.000 At closing rally.

03:12:45.000 It's so funny.

03:12:45.000 Trump calls rapper Lil Pimp.

03:12:47.000 You gotta watch this.

03:12:48.000 Sound, music, and other things.

03:12:50.000 One of the big superstars of the world.

03:12:53.000 Lil Pimp. 1.00

03:12:56.000 It's the president.

03:12:58.000 It's not even Lil.

03:12:59.000 It's Lil.

03:13:00.000 It's Lil Pump.

03:13:02.000 He loves it.

03:13:03.000 He said Little.

03:13:04.000 Little Pimp.

03:13:05.000 Little Pimp.

03:13:05.000 That is hilarious.

03:13:06.000 Imagine if that was his name.

03:13:08.000 You should come up with a character called Little Pimp.

03:13:10.000 I should.

03:13:11.000 Little Pimp.

03:13:11.000 Listen.

03:13:12.000 It's a thought.

03:13:13.000 That's not a bad character.

03:13:14.000 It's not a bad idea.

03:13:15.000 That's a very good idea for you.

03:13:16.000 That's not a bad idea.

03:13:17.000 Get your hair braided.

03:13:18.000 Yeah.

03:13:19.000 That's a lot of commitment.

03:13:20.000 Get some fake face tattoos.

03:13:21.000 That's a lot of commitment.

03:13:22.000 Cornrows?

03:13:23.000 Yeah.

03:13:23.000 And you could be Little Pimp.

03:13:25.000 It's interesting to watch.

03:13:28.000 He's going to come out tonight and definitely claim some type of...

03:13:30.000 I do think that, yes.

03:13:31.000 I do think he's going to come out and say...

03:13:33.000 What do you think now the odds are that he wins?

03:13:37.000 The odds are definitely a lot better than they were at the beginning of the night, for sure.

03:13:40.000 Give me a number.

03:13:41.000 I still think it's probably a 65% chance Biden wins.

03:13:45.000 Really?

03:13:45.000 Yeah, I do.

03:13:47.000 Because a lot of what you're seeing there is attributable to what I said from the very beginning, which is they're counting the votes that were in today first, and then the mail-ins come later.

03:13:55.000 How's he not tweeting right now?

03:13:56.000 After all the days he tweets and all the times he tweets non-stop, this is the time he hasn't tweeted for over four hours.

03:14:02.000 We are looking really good all over the country!

03:14:04.000 Thank you!

03:14:06.000 He's ready.

03:14:07.000 Four hours ago, that was.

03:14:08.000 Yeah, but still, we're looking really good.

03:14:10.000 He's got to be happy.

03:14:11.000 I just texted somebody with kind of a...

03:14:13.000 A little inside information to see what's going on.

03:14:16.000 CIA? No, not CIA. Somebody who knows a little bit of what's going on.

03:14:22.000 Deep State?

03:14:24.000 Alex Jones?

03:14:25.000 You know the kid from Parkland who wanted more guns?

03:14:28.000 Yeah, that guy.

03:14:28.000 Yeah, him.

03:14:32.000 He's my inside source.

03:14:34.000 Biden wins Illinois.

03:14:36.000 Biden wins Illinois.

03:14:37.000 Is that big?

03:14:38.000 Is that big?

03:14:39.000 No, it's not.

03:14:40.000 It's just, it's blue state.

03:14:41.000 It's always a blue state.

03:14:43.000 Is it always a blue state?

03:14:44.000 I'm asking.

03:14:45.000 I think, yes, I do think so.

03:14:47.000 He won by, yeah, look at that.

03:14:50.000 That's pretty good.

03:14:54.000 12%?

03:14:57.000 So what's it at now?

03:14:59.000 What's the electoral vote at now?

03:15:02.000 131 to 108. And how is he doing with Latinos?

03:15:06.000 They don't have it split up on here.

03:15:07.000 South Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina, Florida.

03:15:11.000 Is Florida still in play?

03:15:12.000 What's the numbers in Florida now?

03:15:14.000 91. They haven't updated it.

03:15:15.000 Interesting.

03:15:16.000 No, he's got that.

03:15:17.000 Yeah, he's up by 400,000.

03:15:19.000 He's got that.

03:15:20.000 It depends.

03:15:21.000 Well, I mean, I think it's very likely Trump wins it.

03:15:24.000 Listen to you, you communist.

03:15:25.000 No, no, I think it's very likely he wins it.

03:15:27.000 It's interesting to see that he's made gains.

03:15:29.000 Has he made gains with Latino voters?

03:15:30.000 We don't know yet.

03:15:31.000 Yes, he's made gains from his 2016 numbers, yes.

03:15:34.000 Wow.

03:15:34.000 Well, there you go.

03:15:35.000 I mean, they've spent four years calling the guy racist every day.

03:15:39.000 And the only one who didn't listen was Luis J. Gomez.

03:15:41.000 And now...

03:15:42.000 It's actually really interesting, because where Biden took from Trump was old suburban white people.

03:15:51.000 Okay, yeah, because they're afraid.

03:15:53.000 That's where Biden got his numbers from.

03:15:55.000 Arizona early is showing for Biden.

03:15:58.000 Interesting.

03:15:59.000 Sunbelt.

03:15:59.000 Not good for him.

03:16:00.000 But no, that's going to...

03:16:01.000 No, wait a second.

03:16:02.000 Arizona is going to swing the other way.

03:16:04.000 It's going to swing pro-Trump as more votes come in.

03:16:06.000 But look at the numbers, though.

03:16:07.000 53. It was at 73% already.

03:16:09.000 45. Oh, it's 73 already.

03:16:10.000 Okay.

03:16:11.000 So yeah, you're getting up there now.

03:16:12.000 He's ahead by 280,000.

03:16:14.000 By the way, ABC News projects that Democrats are going to retain control of the House of Representatives.

03:16:19.000 Oh.

03:16:20.000 That's not a huge surprise.

03:16:21.000 They were 97% favorites to do that anyway.

03:16:23.000 Montana?

03:16:24.000 Go back to that.

03:16:25.000 So what's going on?

03:16:26.000 Montana's gone, bro. 1.00

03:16:27.000 That's a bunch of Californians moved to fucking Montana. 1.00

03:16:29.000 That's what it is. 1.00

03:16:30.000 They all wanted water aquifers and ranches.

03:16:32.000 They all wanted ranches. 0.95

03:16:33.000 They wanted Texas better, too.

03:16:37.000 North Dakota?

03:16:37.000 Interesting.

03:16:38.000 Interesting.

03:16:39.000 Nothing here.

03:16:40.000 So I'll tell you what.

03:16:41.000 Here's the bad news.

03:16:43.000 I don't think we're going to be getting an answer tonight.

03:16:46.000 Because if it wasn't Florida going to Biden and being called, then it's going to go on because we're not going to know Pennsylvania for three or four days.

03:16:54.000 Oh my God.

03:16:55.000 What chaos are we going to have in the streets, Kyle?

03:16:57.000 Forget it.

03:16:58.000 Well, give Trump eight minutes.

03:16:59.000 He'll come out and say, we're doing it really splendidly.

03:17:02.000 It's really amazing.

03:17:03.000 It's really incredible.

03:17:04.000 You need to see this.

03:17:05.000 It's really something else.

03:17:06.000 You've never seen anything like this before.

03:17:08.000 Listen, folks.

03:17:08.000 We've never really seen anything like this.

03:17:10.000 So I think Trump will, he said he'll make some type of statement tonight.

03:17:13.000 I don't know what that, but what time is it East Coast right now?

03:17:16.000 10.50.

03:17:18.000 Yeah.

03:17:19.000 I would imagine he's got to make a statement within the next hour, right?

03:17:22.000 He's not going to speak after midnight.

03:17:24.000 When you're on that Addy, son, time doesn't matter.

03:17:26.000 You know, when you're Zoom, that's a good point.

03:17:28.000 I know.

03:17:29.000 That's a fair point.

03:17:31.000 I think he's going to come out and declare victory within 15 minutes.

03:17:35.000 Yeah, I would imagine before he goes to bed.

03:17:37.000 Yeah, he's just going to come out.

03:17:38.000 I did this one tonight.

03:17:40.000 We respect Joe.

03:17:41.000 They probably gave him two extra shots of steroids tonight just so he could be...

03:17:45.000 And now where is Kamala and... 1.00

03:17:47.000 Kamala, you piece of shit. 1.00

03:17:48.000 Kamala, I'm sorry. 1.00

03:17:49.000 The fuck is wrong with you? 0.99

03:17:50.000 I apologize. 1.00

03:17:52.000 Kamala.

03:17:52.000 It's an awkward Kamala.

03:17:53.000 Biden is still in the basement.

03:17:55.000 They haven't told him that the election started yet.

03:17:56.000 Yeah, ma'am.

03:17:58.000 But come on!

03:17:59.000 They got him in a hermetically sealed chamber.

03:18:01.000 Where is he?

03:18:01.000 You know who's smiling somewhere?

03:18:03.000 I don't know.

03:18:03.000 It's Hillary Clinton.

03:18:04.000 You know she is.

03:18:05.000 You think so?

03:18:06.000 Why didn't...

03:18:06.000 Here's my question.

03:18:07.000 Why didn't they let her run?

03:18:08.000 She should have ran.

03:18:09.000 Why didn't she run? 0.97

03:18:09.000 Yeah. 0.97

03:18:10.000 She's fucking incredibly disliked. 0.99

03:18:13.000 Right, but she won the popular vote last time. 1.00

03:18:15.000 Yeah, but she could've came back with a yass queen, her and Ghislaine Maxwell just fucking going nuts. 1.00

03:18:21.000 She might've won. 1.00

03:18:22.000 When you lose, there is a period of time where the country's like, fuck off. 0.99

03:18:26.000 It's the opposite of the bandwagon effect, like we were talking about earlier. 1.00

03:18:29.000 Because then you're just viewed as a loser. 0.93

03:18:30.000 Like, happened with Mitt Romney. 1.00

03:18:31.000 When Mitt Romney lost, for like a year and a half, everybody's like, fucking Mitt Romney, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

03:18:35.000 Because he was expected to win, actually, versus Obama. 1.00

03:18:37.000 Yeah.

03:18:38.000 I can't believe...

03:18:38.000 I never knew the polling was that close with him.

03:18:41.000 Yeah.

03:18:41.000 That's crazy.

03:18:42.000 Yep.

03:18:43.000 He was only up 0.3 or something like that.

03:18:45.000 That's crazy.

03:18:46.000 I'm stunned by that.

03:18:49.000 I just hope everyone's okay.

03:18:50.000 How are you feeling, Tim?

03:18:51.000 Are you good with this?

03:18:52.000 I'm good with it.

03:18:53.000 I tend to survive.

03:18:54.000 I think I'll be fine.

03:18:56.000 A lot of people that I know and respect are going to be very upset, but they're generally very upset about everything.

03:19:01.000 Yeah.

03:19:02.000 So I don't...

03:19:03.000 If you can't be happy, then I don't know...

03:19:07.000 It's not my problem.

03:19:08.000 I voted Libertarian.

03:19:10.000 I mean, I didn't vote.

03:19:11.000 I voted Joe Jorgensen.

03:19:12.000 I thought Joe had a shot, and I don't know who she is.

03:19:14.000 I knew she didn't have a shot. 0.97

03:19:15.000 I don't know who she is or what she stood for, but I was very excited about her candidacy.

03:19:19.000 Legalizing drugs.

03:19:20.000 Good for her.

03:19:21.000 Wait, did you actually vote for Joe Jorgensen?

03:19:23.000 Mm-hmm.

03:19:24.000 Really?

03:19:25.000 Yep.

03:19:26.000 I respect it.

03:19:26.000 I've done third-party votes before.

03:19:28.000 Well, I knew California was going to Biden no matter what.

03:19:31.000 I did not have a voting plan.

03:19:34.000 I was looking at the whole thing.

03:19:36.000 I was like, what is this?

03:19:38.000 I just felt...

03:19:38.000 I know.

03:19:39.000 The whole thing is just...

03:19:40.000 Kumi had a great line four years ago, Anthony Kumi.

03:19:43.000 They said something, something.

03:19:45.000 And then Anthony Kumi went, listen, Trump...

03:19:47.000 The movie doesn't end with Trump losing.

03:19:51.000 That was a great line that he had.

03:19:53.000 And everybody was like, yeah, okay.

03:19:54.000 And he was right.

03:19:55.000 And I'm just wondering, now seeing it as a movie, a weird cinematic thing, what is this?

03:20:00.000 Because I was sort of convinced that this was Biden's to lose walking in here.

03:20:05.000 And now it's like...

03:20:06.000 Oh, it was definitely Biden's to lose.

03:20:07.000 It was Biden's to lose.

03:20:08.000 Like the onus was on Trump, because he's the one with the narrow path. 1.00

03:20:11.000 I think we were fed a pile of shit. 1.00

03:20:13.000 Yeah, you were right. 1.00

03:20:14.000 I think you might have been right about this, Joe.

03:20:16.000 No.

03:20:17.000 I'm sorry, but...

03:20:18.000 The numbers were what they were.

03:20:19.000 It's not like they were fishing for that result.

03:20:21.000 If you want to help Biden, you say the opposite. 1.00

03:20:24.000 The polls are morons. 1.00

03:20:26.000 It's morons answering the polls. 1.00

03:20:28.000 I think I'm right. 1.00

03:20:29.000 They were damn right in 2018, though, in the midterms.

03:20:31.000 They got it exactly right. 0.70

03:20:33.000 This is 2018, bro.

03:20:33.000 This is 2020, and this is for the president.

03:20:36.000 But in the midterms, how many people vote?

03:20:38.000 It's a small fraction in comparison to the president.

03:20:40.000 It's obviously lower turnout.

03:20:40.000 Yeah, it's lower turnout.

03:20:42.000 A gigantic difference, right?

03:20:43.000 But if you nail it with the data, you nail it with the data. 0.99

03:20:45.000 Right, but the ramping up of the Joe Biden shit has been, over the last few months, has been really ridiculous. 0.99

03:20:53.000 In the sense that the media is pushing anything? 0.99

03:20:55.000 Yes, in the sense that the media is ignoring all of his gaps.

03:20:57.000 I just think that's different from the polls.

03:20:58.000 Ignoring all of the corruption, ignoring all the Hunter Biden emails.

03:21:01.000 All true. 0.99

03:21:01.000 All that shit with Twitter, where Twitter banned the New York Post, where Facebook was banned. 0.99

03:21:07.000 That's all true. 0.99

03:21:07.000 That stuff was bad. 0.99

03:21:08.000 All that stuff is bad.

03:21:09.000 No one thinks that's a good thing.

03:21:11.000 Yeah, but I feel like I get your point.

03:21:13.000 I agree with you.

03:21:14.000 I just think perhaps we're too online in our own world. 0.98

03:21:17.000 A lot of people are just fucking working their jobs and making their decision when they see a speech or two on TV. You know what I mean? 0.97

03:21:23.000 They're not following this shit in and out like you and me. 0.99

03:21:25.000 You're right, but they heard about that. 0.99

03:21:27.000 I know people that work regular jobs that said, you hear about this Twitter shit, and they were really upset about it, because they know that I've talked to Jack Dorsey, and I've had him on before, and that this Twitter censorship thing always skews left. 0.96

03:21:39.000 Like, they always skew towards the left and censor... 0.89

03:21:42.000 I gotta push back on that, because the Chapel Trap House Reddit was banned.

03:21:46.000 I have a friend, Ronja Collett...

03:21:48.000 No, but that's not Twitter.

03:21:49.000 I'm saying social media.

03:21:50.000 I'm saying...

03:21:50.000 Yeah, but we're talking about Twitter.

03:21:52.000 Okay, well there's Reddit, there's Twitter, there's Facebook.

03:21:54.000 I've seen censorship in a lot of places. 0.99

03:21:56.000 Twitter censors a lot of shit on the left as well. 0.96

03:21:59.000 There's Unity 2020, which is sort of central. 1.00

03:22:03.000 Centrist. 0.98

03:22:04.000 That's Brett Weinstein's organization where he was trying to get people on both sides to come together, and Twitter banned their account, which is fucking preposterous.

03:22:12.000 Facebook banned their account, but then due to a lot of pushback, Facebook reinstated it, but then Eric Weinstein said, you know, why are you lying and saying that this was an accident?

03:22:20.000 Like, this was manually reviewed by someone.

03:22:23.000 Yeah, there's a left outlet named Jacobin, and they did reporting on the election in Bolivia, and that was polled because in Bolivia, socialists won the election.

03:22:34.000 And so, their socialist outlet...

03:22:36.000 Even smart, really smart people on the left, guys like Chris Hedges, people like...

03:22:41.000 Your friend Abby Martin, they understand...

03:22:43.000 Yes, she's been censored a million times, Abby Martin.

03:22:45.000 All the critics of the state eventually get censored.

03:22:48.000 So it's not left versus right, it's establishment versus anti-establishment.

03:22:51.000 And there's different flavors and varieties of being anti-establishment, but if you're speaking up, yes, you're probably going to be in trouble.

03:22:59.000 Abby's censorship, she gets a lot of pushback on her stance on Israel.

03:23:04.000 That's a big part of it.

03:23:05.000 Last time she did my podcast, there was a tremendous amount of it.

03:23:09.000 I'm sure of it, but this is something she's been dealing with for the longest time, and this is censorious trolls who want to shut her up because they don't agree with her. 0.68

03:23:15.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that.

03:23:16.000 There's a lot of that.

03:23:17.000 But the thing with Twitter and the New York Post was particularly egregious.

03:23:21.000 Oh, it was...

03:23:23.000 How are you going to censor?

03:23:24.000 They're not even making a claim of there's factual inaccuracies.

03:23:28.000 They're not even saying that.

03:23:30.000 They're just saying, we think this might be election meddling or something, because maybe the information came from Russia.

03:23:37.000 Well, CNN, one of the reporters from CNN tweeted that it was Russian disinformation.

03:23:41.000 No evidence of that whatsoever.

03:23:42.000 Zero. 0.91

03:23:42.000 And by the way, even if it was, let's say, because this is the point that Glenn Greenwald made, and he's a million percent right, when you're a journalist, if you're given something newsworthy, you don't fucking question the source. 0.91

03:23:53.000 You say, this is information that people should know.

03:23:55.000 It's like with Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange, when we learned that the United States was drone-striking innocent people, and then they released that video that showed us doing it, and then it became a big story.

03:24:05.000 If somebody said, hey, where did you get that from?

03:24:08.000 Did the Taliban give that to you, or did this person or that person give it to you? 0.99

03:24:11.000 What the fuck does it matter? 0.95

03:24:12.000 The information stands on its own two feet. 0.98

03:24:14.000 Like, it's important in and of itself.

03:24:16.000 Can you imagine if Trump gets in for a second term and then immediately pardons Snowden?

03:24:21.000 If Trump pardons Snowden and then pardons Assange and then legalizes drugs and then releases the greatest rap album of all time.

03:24:29.000 With Lil Pimp.

03:24:30.000 With Lil Pimp.

03:24:31.000 He'll be a phenomenal...

03:24:33.000 I mean, he could do...

03:24:34.000 He's made a lot of peace deals that nobody has talked about, right?

03:24:37.000 That's true.

03:24:38.000 Kushner's been involved in a lot of them.

03:24:39.000 Those are like the Sudan one. 1.00

03:24:41.000 I found that hilarious because Israel and Sudan were not at war.

03:24:44.000 So what are you making peace for?

03:24:44.000 It's not like they were fighting.

03:24:46.000 They weren't fighting. 0.99

03:24:47.000 It's a show to be like, oh yeah, vote for me, I'm the fucking peace guy. 0.91

03:24:51.000 So there's been no peace deals that were exceptional? 0.99

03:24:53.000 No, the one thing I give them credit for on foreign policy, and I get a lot of shit for this, but I say it because I think it's true, is North Korea. 1.00

03:25:00.000 Because North Korea, it is true that this was a place where Obama was not able to get a deal, And Trump basically went in there and said, I don't care, I'll talk to him. 0.84

03:25:09.000 And then he talked to him, and listen, we're not at war, we don't have an official deal, but I don't care, we're not at war, and that's all that matters to me.

03:25:15.000 The thing that's really interesting, though, is, isn't it weird how Democrats and Republicans just casually flip their position on the same issue when it's different countries?

03:25:23.000 So, like, what Obama did with Iran is what Trump did with North Korea.

03:25:29.000 You know what I mean?

03:25:30.000 Like Obama wanted to make peace with Iran.

03:25:32.000 They did the nuclear agreement, right?

03:25:34.000 And Trump did the same thing with North Korea.

03:25:36.000 And then they flipped their positions on the other countries.

03:25:39.000 Trump's kind of been masterful with North Korea.

03:25:43.000 Whereas a lot of people... 0.96

03:25:44.000 Because you need a crazy guy, right? 0.89

03:25:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:25:47.000 Because Kim Jong-un's a crazy guy. 1.00

03:25:48.000 You need an equally crazy psychopath. 1.00

03:25:51.000 And they kind of have a similar look to them. 0.96

03:25:54.000 Yeah.

03:25:55.000 They make these bellicose threats, but then they don't really mean them.

03:25:59.000 They're like a drunk uncle.

03:26:00.000 They wake up the next day.

03:26:01.000 They're smiling.

03:26:02.000 Remember the rumors that he was dead and his sister was running the show?

03:26:06.000 Great.

03:26:06.000 What happened with that?

03:26:07.000 Because fucking fake news is what happened with that. 1.00

03:26:10.000 They ran with those articles and it was bullshit. 1.00

03:26:12.000 But was he putting that out there to find traitors? 0.99

03:26:15.000 I don't know.

03:26:16.000 Because people have done stuff like that.

03:26:17.000 I don't know the mechanics of it, but...

03:26:18.000 You know, Tyson Fury did that in his last training camp.

03:26:20.000 What?

03:26:21.000 He put out rumors that his ankle was broken.

03:26:23.000 Really?

03:26:24.000 Yeah, to find out if he's got some rats inside his camp. 1.00

03:26:26.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:26:27.000 Yeah, he said he had an injury. 1.00

03:26:29.000 Yeah.

03:26:29.000 That's so weird.

03:26:30.000 And then they started putting out pictures of the sister...

03:26:33.000 Yeah, Kim Jong-un's sister.

03:26:34.000 Yeah, and then we all got curious, and then he came back.

03:26:37.000 That was a great, dramatic, tense moment. 0.99

03:26:40.000 People do shit like that just to find out if they got rats in their camp. 0.99

03:26:43.000 Right. 1.00

03:26:43.000 Interesting. 1.00

03:26:44.000 Yeah, it's a good move.

03:26:45.000 Just to flush out the rats.

03:26:46.000 That's what Tyson Fury did.

03:26:48.000 Wow.

03:26:48.000 He had this feeling that someone was dirty in his camp.

03:26:51.000 I wonder if that's why Trump gave himself COVID. He's like, I just want to see who's got rats. 0.97

03:26:56.000 Jamie, what are you doing?

03:26:58.000 Jamie, do you have an update on the election?

03:27:01.000 Joe Biden just won California.

03:27:03.000 I know, big shocker.

03:27:04.000 Wait a minute.

03:27:06.000 He literally just announced the whole left coast for Biden.

03:27:09.000 Yeah, that those were all solidly blue states.

03:27:11.000 Wait a minute, Biden won California? 0.98

03:27:12.000 That's ridiculous. 0.98

03:27:14.000 What is absurd? 0.98

03:27:15.000 What is the numbers?

03:27:16.000 It just hit the time, so it just hit 8 o'clock.

03:27:19.000 Zero percent reporting, so I think they just called them because...

03:27:22.000 They just know.

03:27:23.000 Bro, rigged.

03:27:24.000 Nevada got an extra hour added onto it, so...

03:27:26.000 Oh, okay.

03:27:27.000 So Arizona looks like it's gone blue.

03:27:29.000 New Mexico, Colorado.

03:27:30.000 What's Arizona now?

03:27:31.000 Isn't that unusual that Arizona goes blue?

03:27:33.000 Wasn't Arizona like a red state for a long time?

03:27:35.000 I thought it was going to be a lot closer.

03:27:37.000 No, you're exactly right.

03:27:38.000 Arizona was a red state for a very long time.

03:27:40.000 But this is the thing.

03:27:42.000 People leave in California.

03:27:43.000 Biden is polling well in the Sun Belt because it's a lot of old white retirees. 1.00

03:27:47.000 And that's who I was saying before.

03:27:48.000 That's where he took from Trump.

03:27:50.000 Trump is doing better among Latinos compared to last time.

03:27:53.000 Come back.

03:27:54.000 Sorry, go ahead.

03:27:55.000 No, I was just saying that Trump was doing better among minorities than he was last time, and Biden is taking all of these old white people from Trump. 0.88

03:28:01.000 Go back to Texas.

03:28:03.000 Let me see Texas. 0.59

03:28:05.000 Oh, it's over.

03:28:06.000 It's over.

03:28:07.000 That's a big gap in Texas now.

03:28:09.000 38 electoral votes, that's going to bring Trump up. 0.76

03:28:11.000 Florida's going to bring him up.

03:28:12.000 Yeah, see, that's what Texas should. 1.00

03:28:14.000 I thought he'd win Texas.

03:28:16.000 I thought Trump would win Texas.

03:28:16.000 Florida's going to bring Trump up.

03:28:18.000 Ohio's going to bring Trump up.

03:28:20.000 It's amazing how close Texas is, though, isn't it?

03:28:23.000 Ohio is going to bring Trump up.

03:28:25.000 And then Pennsylvania is everything.

03:28:27.000 Here's what's going to happen.

03:28:28.000 Go to Pennsylvania?

03:28:28.000 Here's what's going to happen.

03:28:29.000 You're going to have...

03:28:30.000 It's very low still.

03:28:31.000 You're going to have Michigan and Wisconsin are going to flip blue, and then Pennsylvania is really what it's all riding on now.

03:28:37.000 Pennsylvania is 44%.

03:28:38.000 He's up by 400,000.

03:28:40.000 Dude, I think Trump wins Pennsylvania.

03:28:42.000 If Trump wins Pennsylvania, he wins.

03:28:43.000 I think he wins it.

03:28:44.000 I think he wins it.

03:28:45.000 There's a lot of steel, a lot of fracking, a lot of steel.

03:28:48.000 What are the miners there?

03:28:50.000 That was very bad when Joe Biden lied.

03:28:53.000 West Virginia is the coal miner. 0.95

03:28:55.000 But when Joe Biden lied about...

03:28:56.000 I'm sorry, but what are the mines in Pennsylvania?

03:28:59.000 Pittsburgh used to be steel, but it's not really steel anymore.

03:29:01.000 That's what I mean.

03:29:02.000 When Biden lied about fracking, lied, said he never said that he was going to ban fracking.

03:29:07.000 Yeah, but he's not going to ban fracking.

03:29:09.000 He wouldn't do that.

03:29:10.000 But it doesn't matter.

03:29:10.000 He said he was going to ban fracking.

03:29:12.000 I think he meant on federal land specifically.

03:29:14.000 But he said he never said he was going to ban fracking.

03:29:18.000 But he did, and there's a lot of video of it, and so they caught him on that.

03:29:21.000 Yes, but I think he's referring to federal land specifically.

03:29:24.000 In other words, I'm not gonna ban it for the whole country.

03:29:25.000 He said, he never said he was gonna ban fracking.

03:29:28.000 I know, but they're kind of misstating it, because they want to make it seem like, oh, he's gonna ban it all across the country.

03:29:32.000 No, he said, I won't ban it on, like, federal, or I will ban it on federal lands. 0.99

03:29:35.000 Which, by the way, listen, I live in New York, they banned fracking in New York, because they cause fucking earthquakes, and they pollute the fucking water. 0.98

03:29:42.000 There's a real problem with fracking. 0.99

03:29:44.000 Oh yeah, fracking, I'm not a pro-fracking guy.

03:29:46.000 I like a little fracking.

03:29:48.000 One thing that fracking has done that's good is it's released our dependence on foreign oil. 0.98

03:29:53.000 Yes, but I do think we need to, and Biden got a lot of shit for saying this, but it's absolutely true. 0.99

03:29:57.000 At some point, we're going to have to fucking get off the fossil fuels. 0.99

03:29:59.000 We can't do this forever. 0.97

03:30:01.000 And Biden said by 2050, and people were making a big stink about it, like, that's crazy.

03:30:05.000 Like, really?

03:30:05.000 That's crazy?

03:30:06.000 What date would you be okay with?

03:30:07.000 2060?

03:30:08.000 2070?

03:30:08.000 Do you think Biden comes out and makes a speech tonight?

03:30:11.000 Do they allow him to speak?

03:30:12.000 They don't let him talk anymore.

03:30:13.000 It's over.

03:30:13.000 He never talks again.

03:30:14.000 Listen, for him to speak, they've got to pump him up with the Adderall and they've got to pump him up with steroids.

03:30:18.000 What do you think they'd pump him up with before that first debate?

03:30:20.000 Could have been Adderall.

03:30:21.000 Could have been Seroquel.

03:30:23.000 Antipsychotic medication.

03:30:24.000 Yeah, something.

03:30:26.000 Something.

03:30:26.000 They gave him something.

03:30:27.000 Because all of a sudden he was lucid.

03:30:28.000 In the debate with Bernie.

03:30:29.000 What a civilization that we have where we have to pump the presidential candidate full of anti-psychotics before they go out.

03:30:37.000 Isn't there something wrong?

03:30:39.000 It seems like there's something wrong here.

03:30:41.000 I believe so.

03:30:42.000 What's the anti-psychotic do?

03:30:45.000 Um...

03:30:46.000 It stops you from being a psycho.

03:30:48.000 It's Seroquil, it's some anti-psychotic medication.

03:30:51.000 My mother's schizophrenic, they make her take Respiral, things like that. 0.86

03:30:54.000 What is Seroquil?

03:30:55.000 It gives you more clear thought.

03:30:57.000 My friend's father used to take Seroquil.

03:30:58.000 He would like foam at the mouth and fall down.

03:31:00.000 It was like a drop.

03:31:00.000 And that, and that happens.

03:31:03.000 But if he doesn't, but if he's not psychotic, you still would give him this medication?

03:31:07.000 No, I was largely joking when I said, oh, I'd give him Seroquel, but, you know.

03:31:12.000 Oh, I thought you were serious.

03:31:13.000 I thought it had, like, some positive effects.

03:31:13.000 No, Adderall is the thing that I would actually give him.

03:31:16.000 There's still 2.2 million mail-in ballots to be counted in Pennsylvania, about 87% of the total.

03:31:21.000 Yes, so that means that, you know, I think Pennsylvania is going to, it's Biden, I think.

03:31:27.000 Sorry.

03:31:28.000 Really?

03:31:28.000 I do.

03:31:29.000 He was up six points in the fucking average of the polls coming into today. 0.99

03:31:33.000 It would have been a miracle if Trump pulled it off. 0.98

03:31:35.000 Six points is way outside of the margin of error.

03:31:37.000 2.2 million is so many.

03:31:39.000 Of absentee ballots?

03:31:40.000 Six points is way outside of the margin of error.

03:31:41.000 Trump can maybe swing at three points. 0.99

03:31:43.000 He can't swing at fucking six. 0.99

03:31:44.000 Yeah, but how many of those 2.2 million, let's say 70% of them go to Biden. 0.99

03:31:48.000 Right now, there's a big gap.

03:31:50.000 There's a six point gap.

03:31:51.000 Well, it's 2.2 million to be counted.

03:31:52.000 2.2 million.

03:31:53.000 That's 87% of the vote.

03:31:55.000 How long is that going to take?

03:31:56.000 Like I said, four or five days maybe.

03:31:58.000 Why is there so many mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania?

03:32:01.000 Because now, since with COVID, there's a lot of places that have been doing mail-ins, and everybody rushed to the polls to do mail-ins.

03:32:07.000 Trump lost!

03:32:09.000 Do you see what happened right now? 1.00

03:32:11.000 Trump won and then he fucking lost. 0.99

03:32:13.000 We are not going to know. 0.99

03:32:15.000 It's going to be up in the air for a long time.

03:32:17.000 I like this election day and I hope it lasts for six months.

03:32:21.000 It's kind of crazy that there's like this one state that could literally factor the whole thing.

03:32:27.000 I'm sure you remember this, but in the past, it wasn't Pennsylvania.

03:32:31.000 It was Ohio did it a lot of times.

03:32:34.000 Ohio sometimes, Florida other times.

03:32:37.000 Yeah, sure.

03:32:38.000 So, you know, 2000, it was Florida.

03:32:40.000 And then you had 2004, I think it was Ohio.

03:32:42.000 They put it over the edge.

03:32:43.000 There's never been a situation like this where we're going to go to bed not knowing who the president is.

03:32:46.000 Oh, yeah, there has.

03:32:47.000 Absolutely.

03:32:47.000 There's been a ton of those situations.

03:32:49.000 The dangling chads thing, right?

03:32:50.000 Well, yeah, but I think even in more elections than that, I think many of them would go to sleep not knowing.

03:32:55.000 We know, but we kind of know.

03:32:56.000 The Kerry one, right?

03:32:58.000 Kerry kind of lost, I think, comfortably, actually.

03:33:01.000 Yeah, this one we really don't know, but a lot of them you would go to bed not knowing, but there was a strong indication.

03:33:07.000 Wasn't the Kerry one?

03:33:08.000 Was that the Dangling and Chad's one?

03:33:10.000 No, that was Al Gore in 2000. Al Gore.

03:33:12.000 Bush and Gore.

03:33:12.000 What was Kerry, though?

03:33:13.000 There was something weird about Kerry.

03:33:14.000 Kerry was.

03:33:14.000 He ran against Bush, and his argument was all like, yeah, I'm going to keep doing the Iraq War, too, but I'm just smarter than this guy.

03:33:20.000 No, no, no.

03:33:21.000 I mean, there was something weird about the election itself.

03:33:23.000 Yeah, there was an issue with the voting machines in Ohio, I think.

03:33:26.000 It was like a private company that was running them or something.

03:33:28.000 Diebold.

03:33:29.000 Have you ever seen that documentary, Hacking Democracy?

03:33:31.000 Yes, I did.

03:33:32.000 That's a terrifying documentary.

03:33:33.000 That's not fun, is it?

03:33:34.000 I mean, listen, just the fact that all the states do it differently, there's no uniform rules as to how to do this at the federal level.

03:33:41.000 Each state determines how they're going to do their own election.

03:33:43.000 Yeah, that's pretty bizarre.

03:33:45.000 So it's wildly different from state to state.

03:33:46.000 Different rules, different time frames.

03:33:49.000 Should we wrap this up?

03:33:50.000 I mean, listen, I don't think we're going to know.

03:33:52.000 Trump won, and then he lost in this podcast.

03:33:56.000 I don't think we're going to know, Joe.

03:33:58.000 We'll never know.

03:33:59.000 We may never know.

03:34:00.000 People are going to be mad at both of you guys for not voting, and me for voting in an irrelevant way.

03:34:05.000 Joe Jorgensen.

03:34:06.000 Listen, I did what I had to do.

03:34:08.000 I was going to vote.

03:34:09.000 I thought about it, and I looked at the people doing it, and I said, I don't want to be associated with them.

03:34:13.000 So listen, I just want to reiterate this before we finish.

03:34:17.000 Even though I said it about 78 times tonight.

03:34:20.000 But we have the list of the states.

03:34:22.000 Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia.

03:34:25.000 They don't count the mail-in ballots as they come in.

03:34:27.000 So they're counting all the votes from today, which are going to skew pro-Trump.

03:34:31.000 And then after they count the mail-in votes, which skew pro-Biden.

03:34:34.000 Can we see the states again?

03:34:36.000 So those states, I think, are in play.

03:34:40.000 Now, let me ask you this.

03:34:41.000 Is there a path where if Trump wins Pennsylvania, where he could still lose the election?

03:34:48.000 Let me see the map.

03:34:50.000 Let's see.

03:34:51.000 If Trump were to win Pennsylvania, and he wins Ohio, and he wins Florida, see, his problem is he's not going to win Wisconsin and Michigan.

03:35:00.000 I think he might eke out to 78 if he gets...

03:35:05.000 Yeah, if he gets North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, I think that might get him there, but I don't...

03:35:12.000 I saw the way he could win, or excuse me, Biden could win without getting Pennsylvania, but it would give him 270 exactly, which is like a tough way to...

03:35:20.000 So, what would that map be?

03:35:21.000 I'm trying to...

03:35:21.000 I can't check the tweet because you guys are...

03:35:23.000 I have to get it right on my screen.

03:35:25.000 Look at that, 270 to win, 180 to 209. As of right now, it really all rides on Pennsylvania.

03:35:31.000 Because I'll tell you what, Michigan and Wisconsin are not going to stay pro-Trump.

03:35:34.000 They're 100% flipping to Biden because he's up like 8 to 10 points there in the polls.

03:35:38.000 And we haven't counted the mail-ins yet.

03:35:40.000 So Wisconsin and Michigan are gone for Biden, for sure.

03:35:43.000 So then it's going to come down to Pennsylvania.

03:35:46.000 And Arizona, too, a little bit.

03:35:47.000 But it looks like Biden's going to hang on there, which is kind of surprising.

03:35:50.000 Looks like he's winning it.

03:35:51.000 That's what I'm saying. 1.00

03:35:52.000 It comes down to PA. Arizona is another fucking state where the Californians fled to. 1.00

03:35:56.000 They all went to Phoenix and Tucson. 1.00

03:35:58.000 But it's more old suburban retirees.

03:36:01.000 You know what I mean?

03:36:02.000 We're not going to know until tomorrow.

03:36:05.000 Arizona has always been the X Factor.

03:36:07.000 If Michigan and Wisconsin go to Biden as the campaigns have expected, then Pennsylvania takes the center stage.

03:36:17.000 Not necessarily.

03:36:18.000 Biden could lose Pennsylvania and still win the presidency if he wins Arizona.

03:36:22.000 Plus Maine...

03:36:25.000 No, it's split.

03:36:26.000 No, no, no.

03:36:27.000 Maine's 2nd District.

03:36:28.000 That's not the same as Maine.

03:36:30.000 It's actually much more likely to go.

03:36:32.000 Would be 270 on the nose.

03:36:34.000 Interesting.

03:36:35.000 Yeah, but I think it's going to come down to Pennsylvania.

03:36:41.000 Wow.

03:36:42.000 What a tight race.

03:36:43.000 It's a tight race. 0.99

03:36:44.000 And you think Trump's not going to raise fucking hell if he's got 268? 1.00

03:36:48.000 Trump's not going to let that shit go. 1.00

03:36:50.000 What can he do? 1.00

03:36:51.000 Supreme Court. 1.00

03:36:52.000 He'll say, fuck it, fraudulent this, that's fake, this isn't real. 1.00

03:36:56.000 That's where it gets ugly, right? 1.00

03:36:57.000 100%.

03:36:58.000 That's where we have a real problem in this country.

03:37:00.000 Yeah, it goes to the Supreme Court.

03:37:01.000 You remember those people that tried to knock the Biden bus off the road?

03:37:05.000 Yes.

03:37:06.000 Imagine how they're going to react if they think the Democrats are going to try to steal it. 1.00

03:37:11.000 There was a bunch of shit that was happening. 0.99

03:37:13.000 I don't know if you saw the violence in North Carolina today where people were trying to block the polls. 1.00

03:37:18.000 There was a lot of chaos and police were pepper spraying people at the polls today.

03:37:23.000 Jeez.

03:37:23.000 Yeah.

03:37:24.000 It didn't look good.

03:37:25.000 Doesn't look good.

03:37:26.000 It looked awful.

03:37:27.000 It's like, goddammit, this is voting.

03:37:29.000 Is there a shot that we don't know the answer tomorrow? 0.83

03:37:31.000 Yes, there's a very good shot.

03:37:33.000 We don't know the answer tomorrow, because it might take a while.

03:37:35.000 What do you think, if you had to guess?

03:37:37.000 If I had to guess, I think it looks relatively close.

03:37:40.000 I'd say three days, maybe.

03:37:42.000 We might know the answer.

03:37:43.000 God, so the weekend.

03:37:45.000 Perfect timing.

03:37:46.000 I'll tell you right now. 0.98

03:37:47.000 Flying the fuck out. 0.93

03:37:50.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:37:50.000 You're getting out under the wire. 0.98

03:37:52.000 I'm getting out tomorrow at 6.30am.

03:37:54.000 It's perfect.

03:37:55.000 Smart.

03:37:55.000 Go right back to the desert.

03:37:56.000 Pack your shit. 1.00

03:37:57.000 Get ready to move here. 1.00

03:37:58.000 Yeah.

03:37:59.000 It's coming.

03:37:59.000 Not immediately.

03:38:00.000 It's coming.

03:38:00.000 We'll see.

03:38:01.000 It's coming.

03:38:02.000 I gotta see, this might go blue.

03:38:05.000 I don't think it is.

03:38:06.000 We'll see.

03:38:07.000 No, I think Trump's hanging on top.

03:38:08.000 There's a potential, it's probably very hard, but a potential tie of $2.69 each, it seems like to get...

03:38:15.000 That would be so good for the country.

03:38:17.000 I have no idea what happens there.

03:38:19.000 No, then they slug it out.

03:38:20.000 Yeah, then they fight.

03:38:21.000 Duel!

03:38:22.000 Let me tell you...

03:38:23.000 That comes out of the basement of the White House.

03:38:25.000 Rises up. 1.00

03:38:27.000 They climb in and duke it out with those fucking on-box fist things. 0.99

03:38:31.000 There was only a 4% chance it would end like that, and it seems like that might happen. 0.99

03:38:35.000 What happens, do you know?

03:38:36.000 What happens in what?

03:38:37.000 In case of a tie?

03:38:38.000 Yeah.

03:38:39.000 They re-vote?

03:38:39.000 I think it goes to Congress.

03:38:40.000 Hold on, let me look.

03:38:42.000 Because this is from 538, who is everyone's favorite account today because of the polls, but it says, in that case, Biden would need to carry either Nebraska or Maine's second congressional district to win.

03:38:55.000 And I don't know why those two specifically.

03:39:00.000 I'm going to look.

03:39:01.000 I actually don't know what happens if it's a tie, and I'm going to look now.

03:39:04.000 Does Nancy Pelosi default or something?

03:39:06.000 No.

03:39:09.000 In the United States, a contingent election is the procedure used to elect the president or vice president in the event that no candidate for one or both of these offices wins an absolute majority of votes in the Electoral College.

03:39:19.000 A contingent election for the president is decided by a vote of the United States House of Representatives, Congress decides, while a contingent election for the vice president is decided by a vote of the United States Senate.

03:39:30.000 Oh my God, that's interesting!

03:39:31.000 Because that would mean...

03:39:33.000 The Democrats in the House would pick Biden to be president, and then the Republicans in the Senate would pick a Republican to be vice president.

03:39:40.000 And then what, the Supreme Court picks?

03:39:42.000 Does it default?

03:39:43.000 Does it go further?

03:39:44.000 During a contingent election, each House state delegation casts one vote to determine the president rather than a vote from each representative.

03:39:52.000 Senators instead cast votes individually for vice president.

03:39:54.000 The contingent election process was first established in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution.

03:40:00.000 Okay.

03:40:00.000 It was subsequently modified by the 12th Amendment in 1804. The phrase contingent election is not found in the text of the Constitution itself, but has been used to describe the procedure since at least 1823. Wait, so I read over that real quick, and you kind of glossed over it.

03:40:17.000 It says that the president and vice president are indirectly elected, so that means they each are picked separately?

03:40:24.000 Right, that's what I just said.

03:40:25.000 This is really a good system.

03:40:26.000 I know it's going so fast.

03:40:27.000 This is a very bad system.

03:40:28.000 I said you have the Congress picks the President and then it's the Senate that picks the Vice President.

03:40:33.000 The Senate is Republican right now and Congress is Democratic right now.

03:40:38.000 So you'd have a Democrat at the top of the ticket and a Republican at the bottom of the ticket.

03:40:41.000 I think you'll have a winner.

03:40:42.000 I think it's just because somebody's going to win.

03:40:44.000 Somebody's going to win these things.

03:40:45.000 I think it's going to all come down to Pennsylvania and I still think it's very likely Biden wins Pennsylvania because they've got to count all the mail-in ballots and they're overwhelmingly Biden.

03:40:54.000 But, but, I will say this.

03:40:56.000 Listen, if, if Biden wins this election and he's got less than 300 electoral votes...

03:41:03.000 Yet again, Trump outperformed the polls.

03:41:05.000 He absolutely outperformed the polls.

03:41:07.000 Because all the polls coming into today, if you just copied and pasted, it would have been Biden 351 electoral votes. 0.98

03:41:14.000 So that means Trump outperformed the polls yet again if Biden only wins with like 278 or some shit.

03:41:18.000 So with Pennsylvania and their mail-in votes, like how carefully are those going to be monitored? 0.94

03:41:22.000 Like the counting of them.

03:41:24.000 This could get really weird.

03:41:25.000 It can get really weird.

03:41:26.000 It can get really ugly.

03:41:27.000 We know Trump is probably already going to try to downplay them and get them dismissed.

03:41:31.000 The Republicans are literally, they're doing lawsuits in certain states to try to get the ballots dismissed.

03:41:35.000 Why is 70% of the state voting absentee?

03:41:38.000 COVID. COVID. A lot of states have been doing it like that, where a lot of people don't want to show up to the polls.

03:41:44.000 That just seems odd to me, because you can go to the grocery store, you can go somewhere else.

03:41:48.000 I don't know why you can't pull a lever.

03:41:50.000 Yeah.

03:41:51.000 That seems odd.

03:41:53.000 Seems odd.

03:41:54.000 There are going to be lawsuits where they try to throw them out.

03:41:57.000 Why Pennsylvania won't finish counting absentee ballots until Friday at the earliest.

03:42:02.000 That's a long time from now.

03:42:03.000 They're busy dealing with Tuesday's in-person voting.

03:42:06.000 Wow, Friday.

03:42:07.000 That's nuts.

03:42:09.000 So here we are on Tuesday.

03:42:10.000 Wednesday, Thursday.

03:42:12.000 And then Friday.

03:42:13.000 See?

03:42:14.000 Three days, like I said.

03:42:15.000 Oh my god.

03:42:16.000 Wow.

03:42:18.000 When Pennsylvania approved so-called no-excuse absentee mail ballots last fall, meaning any voter can request one without citing a reason, the law didn't allow officials to begin canvassing mail ballots until polls close on election night, according to Lisa Schaefer, the executive director of the County Commissioner's Association of Pennsylvania.

03:42:38.000 By the way, if Biden loses...

03:42:40.000 The Democrats will immediately blame the voters as if the voters let him down.

03:42:45.000 Not that he wasn't a good enough candidate.

03:42:47.000 Because this is exactly what happened in 2016. They immediately started blaming the voters.

03:42:51.000 Yeah, well, they're going to be bitter. 0.97

03:42:53.000 You know, people, when they lose, they blame all kinds of fucking other things other than their own performance. 0.98

03:43:00.000 Well, hey. 0.98

03:43:02.000 We had a few filet of fish.

03:43:03.000 Yeah, we tried.

03:43:05.000 We had a few laughs.

03:43:06.000 Yeah.

03:43:07.000 If people think that we weren't taking things seriously, that's what we're doing.

03:43:11.000 That's exactly what we're here for.

03:43:13.000 This is not a serious election show.

03:43:17.000 But thank you, gentlemen.

03:43:19.000 Thank you for having us.

03:43:20.000 That was a lot of fun, indeed.

03:43:21.000 Thank you for coming and explaining things to us.

03:43:23.000 My pleasure.

03:43:24.000 You're welcome.

03:43:25.000 No, that guy.

03:43:27.000 Thank you for mocking our system.

03:43:31.000 Thank you, Jamie, for being a big Snopes fan.

03:43:34.000 Appreciate that.

03:43:35.000 shell one article Jesus Christ Jamie's uh He's a COVID survivor.

03:43:43.000 Give him some respect.

03:43:45.000 I know.

03:43:45.000 I kind of shimmied away from him when I saw him at the door.

03:43:48.000 I was like, alright, are you good, bro?

03:43:50.000 He's got the antibodies, man.

03:43:51.000 He's got the antibodies. 1.00

03:43:52.000 He's the most safe person in this fucking room. 1.00

03:43:54.000 That's right. 1.00

03:43:54.000 He's coughing his mouth and he'd brush it right off. 1.00

03:43:58.000 Alright.

03:43:58.000 Well, that's it, ladies and gentlemen.

03:44:00.000 Thank you for tuning in.

03:44:01.000 I hope I didn't disappoint you too terribly.

03:44:04.000 Hope you're not mad at me for voting for someone who can't win.

03:44:07.000 Good luck and enjoy the riots.

03:44:08.000 I hope you're not mad at Tim Dillon and Kyle Kalinske not voting at all.

03:44:12.000 Chaos.

03:44:13.000 It's going to be chaos coming up in the next few days.

03:44:14.000 I really think it is.

03:44:16.000 Boy, I hope we can get through this as a country.

03:44:20.000 But listen, on the bright side, more people voted than ever.

03:44:23.000 I think we're aware now of the importance of voting.

03:44:27.000 Thank you.

03:44:27.000 Tim Dillon Show on YouTube.

03:44:28.000 Good luck.

03:44:28.000 Tim Dillon has a great show.

03:44:30.000 You can watch his podcast.

03:44:32.000 Secular Talk on YouTube.

03:44:35.000 Yeah, well, I was going to get to that eventually.

03:44:37.000 I wanted to cut you off.

03:44:38.000 If you want to talk over Tim Dillon's plug, feel free.

03:44:40.000 We're New Yorkers, is what we do.

03:44:42.000 Tim Dillon also is on the road.

03:44:44.000 He's hitting the road again, starting to do a lot of gigs.

03:44:46.000 Yeah, we're trying.

03:44:47.000 We're seeing.

03:44:47.000 They're cutting capacity.

03:44:48.000 We're rescheduling some stuff, but we're going to fight through it.

03:44:51.000 They killed the Chicago show, right?

03:44:52.000 They're just killing them left.

03:44:53.000 Then they're also going like, hey, some of these clubs are like, how about doing 24 shows?

03:44:57.000 And I'm like, no, no, no.

03:44:57.000 Let's wait two months.

03:44:59.000 So we'll see.

03:45:00.000 Well, thank you, guys.

03:45:01.000 Thank you.

03:45:02.000 Thank you.

03:45:02.000 Bye, everybody.

03:45:03.000 Peace.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 29, 2009

JRE End Of The World #2

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