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00:00:34.000We were talking right before about injuries.
00:00:37.000You know, it's like I always like to talk to guys who have been doing jiu-jitsu a long time because they always have this laundry list of injuries.
00:00:44.000And you were talking about neck fusions and disc issues and, you know.
00:00:49.000Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm just like everybody else.
00:01:38.000I think that teaching definitely helps you improve because the way that I think about it is that when you're teaching, you have to think about how he's looking at a problem.
00:01:53.000So you show him a move and then you come back and he comes back with a question and it might be in a way that you've never thought about it before.
00:02:02.000So then you've got to break down how to answer that question for them so that it makes sense on their level, on their wavelength.
00:02:12.000Because now I understand the position even essentially better.
00:02:15.000Yeah, I could do the position before, but now it's like I've answered so many different questions over the years that it really, really improves your jiu-jitsu.
00:02:23.000Kevin, when you started training, did you start right away with Travis or did you start somewhere else?
00:02:45.000It was a mix between Hawaiian Kenpo, no, my bad, American Kenpo, and Kung Fu Sun Tzu.
00:02:52.000So Kung Fu Sun Tzu was originated in the States from Jimmy H. Wu bringing it over, and then Kenpo just has a thousand different stories, so couldn't really keep up with that.
00:03:01.000So I was always more fascinated with the Kung Fu, Sun Tzu aspect of it.
00:03:05.000So I actually went to Bill Lasseter's studio out in Rancho Cucamonga, California and took a couple classes there.
00:03:10.000So I was just mainly focused on the Kung Fu aspect of it.
00:03:13.000Sun Tzu was always funner than the I'm trying to remember what Sun Tzu is.
00:03:19.000What's the fundamental difference between Sun Tzu and other kinds of Kung Fu?
00:03:26.000Probably the other differences, I probably couldn't tell you, but I guess you could say it's more common.
00:04:42.000I want to say that Winklejohn's influence with Jon Jones, those guys were one of the first guys to start throwing that kick hard to the legs.
00:04:53.000Yeah, Jon was stepping on the legs and keeping good distance with it.
00:04:56.000I've never really seen Jon throw it to the body.
00:04:59.000Lorenzo's really the only person I've ever really seen throw it to the body like that.
00:05:02.000And I guess you could say It's kind of an oblique kick in Muay Thai sometimes where they kind of try and fake the roundhouse and come with a push kick instead.
00:05:08.000But, you know, oblique kick straight up to the body.
00:06:41.000Yeah, you know, the person that gives them the biggest argument, I guess I'd say Michael Chandler, coming over and doing what he did, you know?
00:06:48.000I mean, that's a great example, right?
00:06:50.000Yeah, you know, very, very good example.
00:06:58.000There's great basketball players out there that never make it to the NBA. There's people on the streets that can do fantastic things that never make it to the greatest spot ever.
00:07:07.000The UFC is the greatest spot ever for a reason.
00:07:10.000You're probably going to perform differently than you would in Bellator than you would in the UFC. My Bellator debut versus my UFC debut, I finished that guy first round, triangle choke, rolling around like it wasn't nothing, doing things that I could have did You know, to any local level guy.
00:07:25.000But I couldn't do that in the UFC. I guess you could say, like you said, higher level competition all the way around.
00:07:29.000So I just don't feel like Bellator adds up.
00:07:48.000There was a time where the talent level, I think, in Pride was actually better than what was in the UFC at the same time, the mid-2000s, right before they collapsed.
00:07:59.000But the UFC being first gives them definitely a heads-up.
00:08:04.000It's kind of like the difference between Coca-Cola and Pepsi.
00:08:07.000You know, it's like Pepsi's always, you know, trying to play catch-up, you know, it's like, and I feel like that's kind of what everybody's doing with the UFC. UFC has, you know, probably a better game plan, a business plan than some of these other organizations, and then they got a huge bankroll too, you know.
00:10:25.000And then they fought like 90, so in the first five minutes back then, and I don't know what the rules are in ADCC now, is that you could pull guard.
00:11:02.000It makes it really, really boring to watch.
00:11:04.000I think what's really interesting with what's going on with like a lot of these guys that are trying like the Gordon Ryan Situation where he's trying to have these no time limit matches with people like submission only, right?
00:11:16.000It's boring until he catches them because his idea is like listen all I'm trying to do is submit you You're just trying to beat me on points So let's just have a no time limit thing and just see who can submit who and I'm betting I can submit you It's just gonna take more time.
00:11:29.000I would do that Kevin, be a beast at it.
00:12:43.000And then Haran ended up winning on points.
00:12:47.000And then he fought me in the next round.
00:12:51.000And then David Avalon beat the other son on the other side.
00:12:56.000The problem with those tournaments is that he had it set up so that the first person, I think, to 12 points won.
00:13:06.000And it's like the match would end with it.
00:13:09.000And it was weird because it was like a takedown was worth one, passing the guard was worth one, mount was worth four, and taking the back was worth four.
00:13:21.000But if you held guard for three minutes, I think, for three minutes, then they would give you a point and then reverse the position.
00:13:30.000And so Jeff Monson versus Haran Gracie, since there was a weight difference, they gave Haran two points to start with, and then they just held guard for three minutes.
00:14:00.000I think what's going on right now with these streaming matches on the internet is kind of the way to go.
00:14:06.000With guys like the Donaher Death Squad type dudes, just do no time limit.
00:14:10.000Because if it's streaming, same thing as anything you want to do on YouTube or a podcast or whatever, you don't have a specific time that you have to do it in.
00:15:20.000It's just interesting to see situations where maybe the person in a regular match never would get to your back, but now they're starting on your back with the hands locked and the seatbelt.
00:16:32.000I was 18 years old, crying like a little girl.
00:16:34.00017. Yeah, I was 17. And then I was like, and then all of a sudden, you know, I started tapping people out, and I was like, Oh, this is shit.
00:18:54.000You know, they have a minimum level of requirements to get into it and minimum level of talent.
00:18:59.000Do you have this much talent to get into here?
00:19:02.000And then after that, then it's about who wants to train the hardest to become the, becomes first seat.
00:19:07.000So it's like, You know, so it's like, you know, if you make the requirements, I would have never made the requirements to get into someplace like that.
00:19:14.000But it's like, you can become the best, you know, just with practice time.
00:19:19.000Because it's like, it's a direct relation to who's the best is based on how much time you're willing to put in there.
00:19:25.000It's like, so like a GSP, I've never saw anybody train like him.
00:19:29.000He would, he was, it was, it was crazy the way that he would train.
00:19:52.000And then he's going to train with the next team.
00:19:54.000And then he had another workout scheduled for immediately after that.
00:19:58.000You know, so it's like, you know, it's like this is inhuman that he, you know, it's like whatever we were going to do, GSB was going to do because we didn't really have coaches and stuff like that.
00:20:06.000But he, you know, so he's doing, you know, so much workload, you know, it's like just crazy, crazy, crazy.
00:20:12.000So it's like, you know, you know, he's arguably one of the most, you know, One of the best all time with GSP. The talent level though, nothing compared to Kevin.
00:22:14.000The whole thing is, Kevin's going to say that he's not going to care and maybe it's because subconsciously he's setting himself so that I don't want to say that I want to do this.
00:22:26.000If I say that I care, Then I have to own it and I have to go after it and stuff like that.
00:26:23.000But I think it was really that first punch that sent him...
00:26:27.000When I did my research on this, when I was just thinking about it, and I was thinking about it over and over again, like, what the hell could possibly make this happen, right?
00:28:34.000But when he fought Royce Alger, that was a giant win, too, because Royce Alger was coming over as an elite wrestler, and everybody was like, this is what's going to win in the UFC. These big, powerful wrestlers are going to take you down and ground and pound you, and Ensign caught him in an armbar and broke his arm.
00:32:47.000Yeah, like the last thing that Kevin does before he goes on the Octagon, you know, before he comes out, is he does his kata, you know, from Kung Fu.
00:32:55.000You know, so it's like we do the warm-up, he's all 100% warm, and then that's kind of his cool-down.
00:33:01.000And that gets his head right, and he's ready.
00:33:04.000And it's like, you know, and this is part of the routine, and it's like, you know, Kevin's very, very traditional that way.
00:33:10.000Do you have a specific kata that you like to do before you warm up, or when you're about to go out?
00:33:15.000Yeah, to calm down, 10-point blocking system is the one to calm down.
00:33:19.000They say 10-point blocking system, but it really should be called 10-point breathing system.
00:33:23.000So you're really focusing on your breathing.
00:33:53.000I do the footworks every couple days, or if I'm just bored, or if I'm naked in the shower.
00:33:58.000And then Combat Pinon, I like to smoke a blunt and do Combat Pinon.
00:34:04.000It's supposed to be like a scenery in a garden, like you create the capital It's kind of like what you do.
00:34:13.000And then 10 point blocking system is just really good to just calm down, just relax and you know, it's like I want to teach it to my little brother but 14 years old, and I still don't think he's patient enough to learn it.
00:34:25.000So, you know, it's a good one, though.
00:34:27.000I really love 10-point blocking system.
00:34:28.000So you said you train with Suge as your strength and conditioning guy, but he also works with your hands?
00:35:06.000That was the thing, the Volkov fight, you know, I remember calling that fight because he was down in the fight and I remember it was like right before he knocked him out, we were talking about it, I said he can knock you out at any moment in the fight.
00:35:18.000Even deep into the third round, Derek could still knock you out.
00:36:16.000The pokes, and then also trauma, because boxers get it.
00:36:19.000Boxers get it, so you get hit, and it'll detach.
00:36:23.000So it's like maybe the centrifugal force, whatever, it makes that eye pop, and then the retina detaches, and then they have to go in there and do surgery, and it's never, right?
00:37:14.000They're doing different things to try to heal trauma to eyes.
00:37:18.000There's a guy named Andrew Huberman who's been on my podcast before who's at Stanford University.
00:37:22.000And they're doing these things with, I believe...
00:37:25.000There's somehow or another engineering bacteria, and they inject this bacteria in your eye, and it repairs your eye, and it repairs vision, and yeah.
00:42:20.000They're just public health officials that are just deciding arbitrarily to close down outdoor dining when there's no evidence whatsoever that there's any spread from outdoor dining.
00:42:30.000Well, it's like, you know, I could walk around and start slapping ho-hos out of people's hands and saying, listen, that's going to kill you.
00:42:37.000Not only is it going to kill you, but it's also going to make you more susceptible to the disease, which is going to make you transmit to more people.
00:42:57.000As they're telling us not to go outside, not to, you know, vitamin D is, you know, I think one of the biggest things that they found that, you know, helps to prevent, you know, COVID, the people that are, you know, we're dying, we're, you know, vitamin D deficient, and, you know, it's like, and they're telling us not to go outside.
00:43:13.00084% of the people in the ICU, vitamin D deficient for COVID. Right.
00:43:16.0004% had sufficient levels of vitamin D. For multiple studies.
00:43:25.000UFC sent me some supplements to take, and I tried it for a while, and I feel like I was getting more sleepy taking the supplements than I was just regular training and smoking weed.
00:45:17.000And I was like, oh, well, I'm probably going to have to go up to 85. And I was, at the time, I was going back and forth between California and Texas a lot to fight.
00:45:24.000So I was like, well, I'll just stay at 85. You know, it's like half the time guys are out of shape anyways, 85. I'll just stay at 85. And then I lost Lovato at 85, so I was like, yeah, I'm really going to stay at 85. I'm going to get that fight back.
00:45:36.000So it just makes sense not to cut that much weight.
00:45:39.000I could probably make 170 with a nutritionist, but we like the way that I act and we like the way I feel at 85. I like Kevin at 85 better.
00:48:36.000You did it, and, you know, it's like you can say, oh, I didn't do anything.
00:48:38.000And it's like, all right, well, it's fine.
00:48:40.000And then they had another altercation, you know, in the hotel.
00:48:44.000You know, it's like where everybody's staying, you know, getting ready for this during quarantine UFC. They had that other little altercation and then after the fight he was there and Kevin was yelling at him and he yelled something back.
00:48:59.000Do you think that's an inevitable encounter?
00:52:59.000So you really want to fight almost every month?
00:53:02.000Yeah, every other month it would be idealistic so that way I can spend a little bit of time with the family and the body can get a little bit of rest, you know, just being realistic.
00:53:09.000But every other month, like realistically speaking here, for like my mental health and for the people around me, it's like if I fought every other month, it would be perfect.
00:53:19.000It'd be great for everybody in my life.
00:53:21.000And what do you like for a three-round fight?
00:53:24.000How many weeks do you like for a camp?
00:54:50.000To cut to 170, either A, I have to be sitting out and not having a fight coming up, and so I'm that pissed off that I don't have a fight coming up.
00:54:57.000I'm like, coach, we just have to do this.
00:54:58.000The coach will be like, alright, fuck it, we gotta do it.
01:01:43.000If you fight on the undercard, then they kick you out of that place, and you've got to go back to your hotel room, and you can't watch the fights on the TV, so you're watching it on your phone.
01:08:04.000And it's like his first day back, he walks into the gym, puts on his gloves and went and sparred one of the contenders and beat the shit out of him.
01:09:43.000Yeah, and then the movie thing opened up beside her.
01:09:46.000Yeah, she had an outside thing that she had spent thousands of dollars to set up for her restaurant, and they told her she has to shut down, and literally when they told her she has to shut down, across the parking lot is this enormous setup for a movie theater.
01:10:01.000And they're eating outside because the movie unions, the filmmakers' unions, all the different movie companies, they spend a lot of money and they influence politicians.
01:12:06.000Had you told me this was my interview to get into a fear factor situation, when my transmission blew, I ought to put that bitch in reverse and drove it all the way here.
01:16:09.000So we're going to go out there and make sure that everybody's pleased and everybody had a good party and we're going to have a good, good time.
01:16:14.000You know, if we can do that again like six weeks later, perfect.
01:18:27.000Part of me loves the fact that the guy retired undefeated, mauled everybody they put in front of him, barely lost a round his entire career, went out with a hard-fought victory over a fucking super-tough guy in Justin Gaethje, and that's it.
01:22:58.000It's like, you know, when you look at Mike Tyson, we just had this conversation yesterday on the podcast.
01:23:04.000But I think Mike Tyson in his prime, when he knocked out Larry Holmes, when he was...
01:23:08.000When he starched Marvis Frazier, like when he was just smashing everybody, I think he had reached this level that you can only maintain for a certain amount of years.
01:23:16.000I think the same thing you can say for Fedor when he was in his prime, when he was running things in Pride.
01:23:22.000There's a level that you could reach that you can only maintain for a certain amount of years.
01:25:38.000And, you know, he was a beast, you know, and then George Foreman, you know, it's like that's a guy that didn't ever put on a pair of gloves until he was, I think, 19 years old, right?
01:26:03.000George Foreman won the gold medal in the 70s, when it was even, I think, harder to win the gold medal because of the Cubans and the Russians.
01:26:14.000You know, it's like they never went pro and stuff like that.
01:28:18.000He was a British gentleman who had a really good left hook, and he caught him with a left hook and dropped him and had him in all kinds of trouble.
01:32:18.000So you said you have this background in Kung Fu, but do you have someone that you work with that puts together your striking combinations and trains you in all the various disciplines of striking, or do you piece it together yourself?
01:32:33.000No, I just, you know, we just have fun.
01:36:36.000You know, it's like, I think it's just, you know, maybe it's time, maybe it's desire, maybe, I don't know, I don't have the answer, but I think the time has come and went.
01:36:45.000It's easy to say that after you see the result, right?
01:37:48.000Probably drunk off his whiskey as well.
01:37:52.000Then you got the Dustin Poirier fight.
01:37:54.000I think he's pretty serious about the Dustin Poirier fight, but I think at the same time, I think he's thinking bigger than what he was at the time.
01:38:00.000I think he's thinking about boxing Pacquiao and doing all these other things that he does in there with, my hands are this fantastic, and it's time to show you guys that Max Holloway is not the best boxer.
01:38:10.000He gets chopped at the leg, now it's hard to move.
01:46:37.000Everybody thinks they're at the top of the fucking mountain.
01:46:39.000There's no such thing as the top of the mountain.
01:46:40.000If you think that you're at the top of the mountain, that means your mountain's stopping at a certain spot and somebody else's mountain's gonna get higher than that.
01:46:45.000There's no such thing as the top of the mountain.
01:48:17.000I want Demetrius to go out there and outbox that guy.
01:48:19.000Well, Mighty Mouse, you know, it's like, I mean, the thing with Mighty is, is I don't think, I think he's really, really technically really, really good.
01:48:27.000I don't believe that he's near as athletic as, like, Henry.
01:52:40.000But okay, like with Gaethje, it's like when those leg kicks hurt him, and then all of a sudden there was another gear that he hit with that last leg kick, and boom, oh fuck, I'm not going to take any more of those.
01:52:51.000I'm going to just put you on your head.
02:01:11.000But he was doing like a 180 called the Buffer 180. I go, have you considered doing a 360?
02:01:16.000So there's a whole video of us convincing him to do the Buffer 360. This is just the video.
02:01:23.000But there's a video of me talking him into it.
02:01:26.000And the video, it's like for a year, was trying to get him to do the 360. So he decided UFC 100, the big one, he was going to do a 360. So as he interviews Brock Lesnar, he does a 360. 360. He's doing a 360 roundhouse kick.
02:02:31.000I fought my whole career with one ACL. Really?
02:02:34.000Yeah, I blew it out in the Ultimate Submission Showdown.
02:02:37.000I was in the finals against David Adlon, and he had me in the lockdown, and I was just pushing forward and tore my own ACL. I lost my ACL in the lockdown, too.
02:02:58.000I didn't know what was going on, and I actually kept rolling, and I thought my knee just popped, and then I was in my office moving some boxes around, and my leg just went...
02:07:04.000And Travis looks, he's like, no, it...
02:07:08.000Yeah, your big toe's in the wrong area.
02:07:10.000Let me just show you how it can be done.
02:07:12.000It's like, okay coach, you just want to roll.
02:07:14.000Well, I remember Charles McCarthy rolled with you when you guys were on The Ultimate Fighter and he said, he compared your jiu-jitsu to Ricardo Laborio.
02:09:01.000Do you feel fortunate that you ran into Travis Luter?
02:09:05.000I mean, you could have walked into any dojo, you know?
02:09:07.000Yeah, I'm super lucky, super blessed, you know what I mean?
02:09:09.000It's like, like you said, could have walked into anywhere, and it's like, who knows what life would have been, but it's like, my life is what it is today, I think a big part, because of where I ended up at, you know, it's like...
02:09:19.000Yeah, Travis and Jim's done a lot for me.
02:09:23.000Well, it's just, I mean, when you think about guys in America, particularly, you know, we're talking about, what, 13 years ago when you first started?
02:10:13.000You know, like some of these guys, you know, it's like the Atos, you know, it's like there's so, you know, Henzo's gym in New York is really, really good.
02:10:56.000There's two different schools of thought, right?
02:10:58.000There's one school of thought, join a place like American Top Team, you're around a bunch of assassins, you get better.
02:11:02.000And then the other school of thought is, get individual treatment from a really highly specialized gym that focuses on you and keep getting better and better and better, and then you reach this elite level.
02:11:14.000I don't know who's right and who's wrong.
02:11:17.000You know, I've been to, like, Tiger Muay Thai in Thailand, you know, and they got really, really good trainers, but there's just so many people, you know, and it would be very hard to figure out even who you are, you know, being there and stuff like that.
02:11:32.000Being in a smaller gym, you know, there's good things, but, you know, it's just finding one that's, you know, you have good people, and the other thing is figuring out, you know, it's like, you know, like, trying to figure out how to coach Kevin is really, really, I'm still trying to figure it out, you know, it's like, What's he doing wrong, Kevin?
02:13:40.000You know, it's not impossible and not anything like that.
02:13:42.000But it's like it's very, very difficult because I just concentrated on defense.
02:13:48.000Now the second coming of the leg locks is like Dean Lister.
02:13:52.000Because there wasn't really a lot of people doing leg locks from then until Lister, and now you have Gordon Ryan doing them.
02:14:00.000But Lister, he's a guy that fought in the UFC. It's like he won ADCC. He won not his weight class at ADCC, but he won the Open.
02:14:11.000On leg locks, you know, he'd gotten beat early in the day and ADCC is a weird tournament because the matches are so long and the guys get so tired and the rules are different and stuff like that and so he gets into the open and he starts subbing people with leg locks and it's like And he did really, really good with that.
02:14:29.000And then you got guys like Gordon Ryan who's come along and his leg locks are really, really good.
02:14:41.000It's like you have guys like John Jacques who submitted his way through ABCC. You have guys like Hager Gracie who submitted his way through both his weight class and the Open.
02:14:52.000And guess what, he also did it in the Gi that same year, or either that or it was the other year, because it was 2007 or 2008, he submitted his way through, in 2007 he submitted his way through ADCC, and then he also submitted his way through IBGJF Worlds.
02:15:09.000You have to admit though, Gordon Ryan is what, 26?
02:19:09.000To knock out a guy like Jacare and to do it in such an unorthodox way, doing it off your back like that, that was an undeniable moment.
02:19:19.000Yeah, it's pretty cool, but things like that don't happen all the time.
02:19:22.000So, as long as you go out there and you can make something special happen against another high-level guy, then we might be talking about something.
02:19:27.000But, like I said, the last one doesn't happen that often, so I have to do it two or three more times.
02:19:31.000So, the Derrick Brunson fight, which is coming up soon, what are your thoughts on Derrick Brunson?
02:19:35.000I mean, we talked about it a little bit earlier, but, you know, he's obviously a veteran.
02:19:39.000He's obviously a guy who's been around.
02:20:08.000You know, it's going to be a fun fight, but the problem is when he gets in there with the top-level guys, he hasn't had a lot of success, and we're just going to find out if Kevin's as top-level as I think he is.
02:21:51.000Don't you think that, I mean, it's very unfortunate that he's suffering from COVID, that he's got this long-term situation where, apparently, when I've talked to doctors about this, I'm like, what is going on with that?
02:22:03.000And they said, when you're training really hard, and then you're breaking down your immune system, and then you get COVID, you can get it real bad.
02:22:09.000And when you get it really bad, and then you don't take care of yourself in terms of, like, don't give yourself adequate time to recover...
02:22:15.000You go back in before you're really fully recovered.
02:22:17.000And also, you're not taking care of all the inflammation issues that you have with your diet, with your supplements.
02:22:23.000You hit a situation like him where he had to pull out of Leon Edwards' fight.
02:22:53.000If we're being real here, half these guys who claim that they're fighters, they're fighters because it pays a bill and it looks good online.
02:23:01.000It looks good on TV. Is that the case or are they being calculated about what risks they take?
02:23:07.000You're not a fighter if you're calculating risk.
02:23:39.000I get happy when I see these guys step up last second for a fight.
02:23:43.000Like, seeing Bilal step up for that fight, I'm like, okay, there you go.
02:23:45.000Don't fucking complain about how you're not getting upper fights when you don't really put yourself in that situation and get upper fights, you know?
02:23:51.000When Chamayev knocked out Mearshart, I was like, holy shit.
02:24:55.000And I know Ian Heinrich ultimately landed the last smack.
02:24:58.000And I think if you add up those three people who have decent power and have been smacking him at 85, the head's just not the same as it used to be.
02:25:15.000Props to him for taking the smart program every time you go out there and fight a guy.
02:25:19.000You know, it's like we both fought John Phillips.
02:25:21.000I went out there and stood and banged with John Phillips.
02:25:24.000Coach told me in the second round, okay, you already look good in the first round, go out there in the second round, take this guy down, choke him out.
02:25:29.000He's obviously not trying to go away from punches.
02:25:31.000Jemayev went out there, took him down, punched on him, punched on him, punched on him, subbed on him.
02:25:54.000I think he, you know, it's like after seeing Neil Magny being done the way he got done against, you know, Michael Chiesta, I think that Chemaev could have got the job done, especially being a big 170-er.
02:26:17.000My girl had it pretty good and I was fucking her the whole time.
02:26:19.000You know, it's like, so, you know, it's like, you know, it's like we all take it different, you know, different fighters, different heart, you know, don't claim to have that heart if you ain't got it.
02:26:28.000Don't you think it's just like a disease, though?
02:26:30.000I mean, some people just have a harder time with a disease.
02:27:14.000It's like, Kevin had words with him, and then he said something to Kevin, pissed Kevin off, and then Kevin's angry.
02:27:21.000But the boss has said on interview that we're in two different weight classes, and that we'd probably never meet up.
02:27:26.000So I'm assuming that he's staying at 70, and I'm staying at 85. Maybe one day when he gets over being a little tired, he can get back in there and get some fights in, and we'll be okay.
02:27:38.000Are there any other guys in the division that you want to test yourself?
02:27:42.000Did you look at a guy like Yoel Romero and you want to test yourself against him?
02:28:13.000I think Stylebender was his last fight, wasn't it?
02:28:15.000Yeah, Stylebender was his last fight at UFC. You know, it's like he's a fun, exciting guy when he goes forward.
02:28:19.000I hate it when he fucking doesn't want to go forward.
02:28:21.000Well, with Stylebender, I think he felt like he had to stay put.
02:28:23.000But when he just stood still and Stylebender came forward, and then he blasted him with a big left hand, and you see Stylebender's look in his eyes like, oh, shit.
02:28:44.000Where it's like, you know, he said the difference between the first and the second time he fought him, he said it's like he's a different kind of metal the second time.
02:30:54.000Yeah, they would flatten out so that he couldn't pick them out because other guys couldn't pick them out when, you know, they're 300 pounds and they're flat on their stomach.
02:31:01.000But he would hoist them up in the air like they were nothing and then dump them on their head.
02:31:15.000And one of those two was Rulon Gardner, and it was just because they changed the rules, and when you break the hands, it counted as a point.
02:37:16.000Mark Coleman, back in the day, when he came around, he was the first really enormous wrestler that figured out how to take guys down and smash them.
02:42:35.000Their contribution, whether it's through Elio or Carlos or Carlson in Brazil, and then coming over here in Horian, starting off the UFC, and Hoist winning the UFC, and Hickson becoming Hickson, and being this legend that everybody's aware of.
02:42:55.000But then at the same time in Brazil, there was other sects of people training that was completely and totally separate from those guys because they weren't the only ones that got taught and they were doing the same things.
02:43:09.000Even Lutre Livre and just Brazil in general, it's like having the fights that they had down there, those no-rules fights.
02:43:16.000It's like watching Chuck Liddell fight Pele.
02:44:04.000It's interesting, but even some of the stories that you hear about some of the training that went on before then, it's like with the Machados on how they left, because they got brought here by Horian, and they were teaching out of the same garage with Hickson.
02:44:35.000Then they eventually brought him out here to Texas and had him Teaching, you know, teaching him on the movie set, you know, or on the TV series.
02:45:39.000And it's like, and they did, you know, it's like Higgin, you know, but Higgin was just so good, you know, it's like, and I mean, John Jock is crazy good, it's like Carlos is crazy good, you know, but it's like, it was, you know, rolling with those guys is very fun.
02:45:53.000Yeah, I mean, you were at the ground floor of a very special time in jiu-jitsu, really.
02:46:04.000I was very, very lucky to have the opportunity to come here and come to Texas, learn from Carlos, and get to do some of the things that I got to do and stuff like that.
02:47:38.000He also realized that because he didn't have that one hand to grab collars, he changed his game, and his game became more overhooks and underhooks, and so it was very easy to apply that game to Nogi.
02:47:50.000And that's why when he went, like, there was a lot of guys that went to Abu Dhabi, and they were looking for things to grab, and their game was severely diminished, whereas Jean Jacques' game was not diminished at all.
02:47:59.000That's why that first year, especially, he had such good success and stuff like that.
02:49:37.000Yeah, there's a lot of guys that you're seeing that are hanging in there a little bit too long, and that sad story repeats itself over and over and over again, and we've all seen it.
02:49:46.000Yeah, and then the older you get, the more those new guys get to come by and make a name off you, and it's like, I want them to scream my name, come out of retirement, instead of...
02:50:15.000He can make a lot of money in between now and then and life will be good.
02:50:19.000As time gets on and you get closer and closer to a title shot and you get closer and closer to realizing your potential, do you think you'll ever change your approach and just enjoy doing things that are fun?
02:50:32.000Or do you think you'll become more disciplined with strength and conditioning, more disciplined with your diet?
02:50:45.000I'll enjoy it until I can't enjoy it anymore.
02:50:48.000But I think you realize as you get older and as you get closer and closer to like the top of the food chain that there's these little differences that make, like obviously you're a great athlete, obviously you're a fantastic fighter, but would you be slightly better if you did something different?
02:52:54.000It helps him, you know, it's like, Kevin, you know, it's like, I really think it's like, you know, for Kevin, you know, he really needs weed.
02:56:21.000It's been really cool to call your fights and really cool to watch your ascension up the ranks in the UFC. I'm excited about this Bronson fight.