The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #103 with Max Holloway

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00:00:15.000 What's up?

00:00:16.000 My man.

00:00:17.000 Good to see you, my friend.

00:00:18.000 Good seeing you.

00:00:19.000 How's things?

00:00:20.000 Things are good, you know.

00:00:21.000 How's things with you?

00:00:22.000 I heard, like, pipes are busting and heat and all that kind of stuff.

00:00:25.000 Yeah, it was pretty wild out here a week ago.

00:00:27.000 And then it was 80 two days ago.

00:00:29.000 Doesn't make any sense.

00:00:30.000 So a week ago, it was frozen solid.

00:00:33.000 And then a week later, 80 degrees.

00:00:37.000 Mother Nature, she's cruel at some times.

00:00:39.000 Yeah, but well, Texas gets weather, you know?

00:00:42.000 It's very different than California.

00:00:43.000 With California, it never rains, and basically, like, once a year, you get a little bit of rain, and that's it.

00:00:48.000 Here, you get thunderstorms, and you get lightning, and, you know, and it gets cold as fuck sometimes.

00:00:54.000 But this was real unusual.

00:00:56.000 Yeah.

00:00:56.000 Like, once every 120 years or so.

00:00:59.000 I know, I was tripping out.

00:01:02.000 When I saw everything happening and then my agent, because last week he was supposed to come through, and he said, it's getting pushed back, it's getting pushed back.

00:01:08.000 And I was like, I look at the weather shit, I was like...

00:01:13.000 Texas don't ever get this kind of weather.

00:01:14.000 What the hell is going on?

00:01:15.000 I thought I was wrong.

00:01:16.000 I was like, do I not follow up with the weather in Texas?

00:01:19.000 Dude, it was crazy.

00:01:20.000 The roads, first of all, it was 32 degrees and raining.

00:01:23.000 So it's just at the time where it freezes, but not quite.

00:01:27.000 It didn't quite freeze.

00:01:28.000 And then it got really cold at night.

00:01:29.000 So all the roads were covered in ice everywhere.

00:01:33.000 Black ice.

00:01:33.000 I saw that one that got...

00:01:36.000 Like I had a hundred car pile up somewhere over here.

00:01:39.000 Yeah, I think that was near Dallas, right?

00:01:41.000 That's crazy.

00:01:42.000 Yeah, so then snow laid on top of the ice and made it even slipperier.

00:01:47.000 It was crazy.

00:01:48.000 Like no one could get anywhere.

00:01:50.000 It was wild.

00:01:51.000 Yeah, it was wild.

00:01:51.000 So we just went to the supermarket, got food, and hunkered down the family.

00:01:57.000 We got lucky our power didn't go out, but a lot of our friends' power went out.

00:02:01.000 And so we just...

00:02:02.000 We just hung out in the house for seven days and just chilled.

00:02:05.000 I know the hotel that I was at when I first came in, I was just tripping out because I came from LA and Hawaii.

00:02:11.000 We got locked down and stuff.

00:02:13.000 And then I come walking in.

00:02:14.000 It's like, what was it?

00:02:15.000 12 o'clock.

00:02:16.000 I got into the hotel last night.

00:02:18.000 And people are just raging.

00:02:19.000 They're just partying downstairs at the local bar.

00:02:22.000 I was like, what?

00:02:23.000 I was like, is this real life?

00:02:24.000 And then I talked to the guy at the front desk.

00:02:28.000 And then he was talking to me about the weather.

00:02:30.000 And I was like, yeah, crazy.

00:02:31.000 He was like, yeah, we was full pack.

00:02:32.000 He was like, we was so crazy.

00:02:34.000 We have generators and stuff.

00:02:35.000 So we still had hot water and electricity and all that stuff.

00:02:39.000 It came to a point where we only allowed people who were staying in the hotel to buy food from us and you only could order two stuff.

00:02:47.000 They were telling me crazy stuff about that.

00:02:49.000 Yeah, we had friends that their house went out so they got a room with the Four Seasons and they said it was two hours for room service.

00:02:59.000 And 4CZ is usually the best ever.

00:03:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:02.000 So that's crazy.

00:03:03.000 I know, and even with the rain and stuff, we were talking about that mushroom stuff, so it was just funny stories.

00:03:09.000 Yeah, they get weather here, but I've never experienced it like that here.

00:03:13.000 I've been coming here since 1999, and apparently all my friends who've lived here their whole lives, they've never seen anything like it.

00:03:19.000 It was just...

00:03:20.000 Random that it happened the first year I moved here.

00:03:22.000 I mean, maybe you bring the thunder.

00:03:24.000 Maybe you're like, Texas, get ready.

00:03:26.000 This is what the hell I'm bringing here.

00:03:28.000 Listen, as long as they get ready for it.

00:03:30.000 You know, I grew up in the cold.

00:03:31.000 I grew up in Massachusetts.

00:03:33.000 So, you know, as long as they have plows and they have salt and they know how to handle it, you could have snow.

00:03:40.000 So, this is Joe.

00:03:41.000 It's the day of Joe when this happens.

00:03:42.000 If I can simmer down everybody, get ready.

00:03:45.000 Let's just go down.

00:03:46.000 Well, I have a truck that's built for this shit, too.

00:03:48.000 I have a Land Cruiser.

00:03:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:49.000 A 1995 Toyota Land Cruiser.

00:03:51.000 Like an apocalypse vehicle.

00:03:52.000 Yeah?

00:03:53.000 With a 40-gallon gas tank and big tires.

00:03:56.000 And I talk about the two-football field bunker underneath your house wherever you live, right?

00:04:00.000 I need to get that.

00:04:01.000 That's probably my next move.

00:04:03.000 I need to get a ranch in some sort of sustainable environment.

00:04:06.000 It just seems like the more shit gets weird in the world, whether it's COVID or this or, you know, whatever could be next.

00:04:15.000 Like, you gotta have enough food and water so you can stay alive for a while.

00:04:19.000 Yeah, they said that.

00:04:20.000 What was that?

00:04:21.000 What is that show?

00:04:22.000 There's a show on TV, right?

00:04:24.000 Disaster people, whatever.

00:04:25.000 Preppers.

00:04:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:27.000 Apocalypse people.

00:04:28.000 Like, yeah, Doomsday Preppers.

00:04:30.000 That's what they call it.

00:04:31.000 And, like, what they have, like, they say it's like...

00:04:34.000 I think so.

00:04:35.000 The minimum is to have like one and a half to two years worth.

00:04:39.000 I'm like, what?

00:04:41.000 That's so crazy.

00:04:42.000 Well, they have that dried.

00:04:44.000 I have some dried food for like hunting, like backpacking food, like, you know, like it's freeze dried or dehydrated.

00:04:51.000 I have some of that stuff that's in my house, too.

00:04:52.000 So if worse came to worse, we could eat that for a few months.

00:04:55.000 Yeah, you'll be alright.

00:04:56.000 I mean, you'll be alright.

00:04:58.000 You're like a caveman.

00:04:59.000 You're like a modern caveman that came from the moon or something.

00:05:01.000 So you'll be fine, Joe.

00:05:03.000 I watch all the stuff you do.

00:05:04.000 You'll be alright.

00:05:05.000 Well, there's a lot of deer in my neighborhood, too.

00:05:06.000 I got my eye on those motherfuckers.

00:05:09.000 Right now, they're just cute deer.

00:05:11.000 But if shit gets ugly, they're food.

00:05:13.000 Yo, Bambi, get over here.

00:05:15.000 There's a lot of them, though.

00:05:16.000 They're all over the place.

00:05:17.000 You might be helping.

00:05:18.000 You might be helping it out.

00:05:19.000 They might be infestive.

00:05:20.000 A lot of them froze to death.

00:05:22.000 Oh, for real?

00:05:23.000 Yeah, a lot of them froze to death.

00:05:25.000 My friend has a buddy who owns a ranch in South Texas, and they have this animal on there called a Neil guy.

00:05:32.000 Neil guy is an Asian animal.

00:05:34.000 I think it's from India.

00:05:35.000 It's a huge antelope, like the size of an elk.

00:05:37.000 Oh, nice.

00:05:38.000 They found 63 of them frozen to death on his ranch.

00:05:42.000 So far, they're still finding them.

00:05:45.000 I know, before you came, I was talking to a security guard and...

00:05:49.000 And the other boy out there, and there was like, I was telling him, like, I saw a possum.

00:05:53.000 I saw a video, like, there's a video that goes viral, like, of a possum climbing up the fence, and he froze, like, in Texas somewhere, like, he froze on the fence.

00:06:00.000 And I was like, holy shit, that's how cold it gets, you know?

00:06:03.000 Like, people don't understand that this possum, and then we was talking about, does the possum live after it's unfrozen?

00:06:10.000 Because they know how to play, you know?

00:06:12.000 I don't think so.

00:06:13.000 Is this it?

00:06:13.000 There it is!

00:06:14.000 There it is!

00:06:15.000 Oh shit!

00:06:18.000 He's frozen!

00:06:18.000 That's crazy with like...

00:06:20.000 He's frozen in the middle of climbing the fence covered in icicles.

00:06:23.000 Yeah!

00:06:24.000 It looks like he got his leg stuck.

00:06:26.000 You see that?

00:06:27.000 Look at his right leg.

00:06:28.000 See how it's poked through?

00:06:29.000 Oh yeah.

00:06:30.000 Yeah, he might have got his leg stuck and then it's too cold to figure out a way to get out of it.

00:06:35.000 Wow, that's dark.

00:06:37.000 How crazy, though?

00:06:38.000 But does it just, you know, like, they're like playing dead, you know?

00:06:41.000 Uh-uh.

00:06:41.000 No, not at all?

00:06:42.000 No, no.

00:06:43.000 No, he's dead.

00:06:45.000 He was telling us that, like, there's a study going around with, like, scorpions.

00:06:49.000 Like, they can be frozen and then, like, a week later you unfreeze them and they're alive.

00:06:53.000 That's the thing with frogs, too, right?

00:06:55.000 Didn't someone on the podcast explain that to us in the past about certain frogs?

00:06:59.000 They freeze to death and they thaw out and they're still alive.

00:07:03.000 It could have been David Blaine when he was talking about him in his stomach, but in Florida, all the lizards freeze and fall out of trees, and they come back to life.

00:07:10.000 Do they?

00:07:11.000 Yeah.

00:07:12.000 Wow.

00:07:12.000 Yeah, and in Florida, you've got to be careful, because when it gets cold, iguanas will knock you out.

00:07:16.000 Yeah, it's like coconuts.

00:07:17.000 They fall out of trees and land.

00:07:17.000 It's like coconuts.

00:07:19.000 It's like every time I'm at the beach, every time I'm at the beach with my boys and stuff, and we go by where the lifeguard, there's the lifeguards, and there's coconut trees, and I start sitting down, and then one of them said, Max, get the hell away from that.

00:07:31.000 I don't want to be the guy that's like, oh, he was hanging out with you when he got hit in the head with a coconut.

00:07:36.000 Do you know 150 people die every year from coconuts?

00:07:39.000 No.

00:07:39.000 I didn't know that.

00:07:41.000 150 people.

00:07:42.000 How much people die from iguanas?

00:07:45.000 I don't think a lot.

00:07:46.000 How long do you think a frog can last frozen?

00:07:51.000 Because it's a lot longer than a week.

00:07:53.000 Really?

00:07:54.000 Really?

00:07:55.000 Frozen solid?

00:07:56.000 We should get a frozen frog in here and do an experiment.

00:07:59.000 It's called a wood frog, if that helps.

00:08:03.000 I'm going to say three months.

00:08:05.000 Max?

00:08:06.000 I'm going to go much longer than a week, he said.

00:08:10.000 I'm going to go maybe eight months.

00:08:14.000 Seven months.

00:08:15.000 Seven months frozen solid!

00:08:17.000 It says Alaska, they go down to as low as zero degrees.

00:08:20.000 They're frozen, and then when spring arrives, they thaw out and hop away.

00:08:23.000 Jeez!

00:08:23.000 What?

00:08:24.000 Jesus Christ.

00:08:26.000 Animals is weird, bro.

00:08:28.000 Nature finds a way, man.

00:08:29.000 Yeah, you gotta adapt.

00:08:31.000 They've been like, frogs probably some dinosaurs.

00:08:34.000 They've been around a long time.

00:08:35.000 Yeah, so they're like, oh, fuck these guys.

00:08:37.000 Even like cockroaches.

00:08:38.000 Have you ever seen those things called tardigrades?

00:08:41.000 Do you know what a tardigrade is?

00:08:42.000 I have no idea.

00:08:42.000 It's this tiny little...

00:08:45.000 Call them something bears, too, right?

00:08:48.000 It's a tiny little microscopic animal that looks like an alien, and they can survive in space.

00:08:54.000 They can survive anywhere.

00:08:56.000 So these things, they could literally go to the moon if they were attached to a rocket.

00:09:01.000 Water bears.

00:09:02.000 Water bear.

00:09:03.000 There you go.

00:09:05.000 Show Max a photo of them.

00:09:06.000 But they can survive in space.

00:09:08.000 Are you serious?

00:09:10.000 They look like they're from space.

00:09:11.000 They do.

00:09:11.000 Look at that picture right there.

00:09:12.000 That doesn't even look real.

00:09:13.000 If that was in a Dune movie and it was chasing people, look at its mouth.

00:09:18.000 That looks like in Avengers.

00:09:22.000 Yes!

00:09:22.000 When they came down and the thing was flying the ship, that's what it looks like.

00:09:25.000 That's exactly what it looks like.

00:09:27.000 Look at that fucking thing.

00:09:28.000 That's a real creature.

00:09:30.000 How big is it?

00:09:31.000 It's very, very small.

00:09:32.000 Like, I don't even think you could see it.

00:09:33.000 Oh my god.

00:09:34.000 It's microscopic, right?

00:09:36.000 Correct.

00:09:36.000 Yeah.

00:09:37.000 But they can survive in space.

00:09:40.000 How'd they find out that they survived in space?

00:09:42.000 I don't know.

00:09:44.000 I don't know.

00:09:47.000 0.5 millimeters, so a half a millimeter.

00:09:50.000 So you kind of can see it.

00:09:51.000 You just barely.

00:09:53.000 Yeah, but you don't see how crazy looking they are.

00:09:55.000 How does a tardigrade survive in space?

00:09:58.000 Because that was the thought that they could hitch a ride on an asteroid or on, you know, they could hitch a ride on a...

00:10:03.000 No, that's how they came here.

00:10:04.000 Probably.

00:10:05.000 We went to the moon.

00:10:06.000 They saw Neil Armstrong's damn shoe.

00:10:08.000 It's like, I'm going with this.

00:10:09.000 I'm out of here.

00:10:10.000 This is boring.

00:10:11.000 What the hell is this?

00:10:12.000 Pitch a rat on his foot.

00:10:13.000 Yeah, and they're just like, sending information back up.

00:10:17.000 They're like, yeah, these motherfuckers are stupid.

00:10:18.000 You know, that's one of the theories of how life came to Earth.

00:10:21.000 It's called panspermia.

00:10:23.000 They think that life came to Earth on an asteroid, and that asteroids contained the building blocks, like amino acids and stuff.

00:10:31.000 The building blocks of life came from other planets and landed here, and then the process of life began.

00:10:38.000 That's insane.

00:10:39.000 It's a wild theory.

00:10:41.000 I mean, what do you believe?

00:10:44.000 I don't know.

00:10:44.000 It's whatever you believe, so I don't know.

00:10:46.000 It's pretty cool.

00:10:47.000 Well, you live in Hawaii, which is a really interesting place, right?

00:10:50.000 Because there's a lot of non-native animals that have been introduced to Hawaii, like pigs and a lot of weird birds and a lot of weird rodents and plants and all kinds of shit.

00:11:00.000 We got the weird thing that we think is a wallaby.

00:11:03.000 You guys have wallabies now?

00:11:05.000 Yeah, how crazy is that, right?

00:11:06.000 From Australia?

00:11:07.000 You don't see them, but they're little kangaroos, right?

00:11:10.000 Yeah.

00:11:11.000 We have wallabies on our...

00:11:12.000 And it's like, how the fuck did you get here?

00:11:14.000 Yeah.

00:11:15.000 But they're not like crazy.

00:11:16.000 They're like, you're out and you see it.

00:11:18.000 They're very mysterious.

00:11:19.000 They pop up here and there when people are hiking in the mountains.

00:11:22.000 Yeah?

00:11:22.000 But it's like a wallaby, bro.

00:11:23.000 Wow.

00:11:24.000 I don't know how they travel there.

00:11:26.000 Maybe they...

00:11:26.000 I mean, Australia is and surfing and whatever.

00:11:28.000 They just jump out.

00:11:29.000 I'm out of here.

00:11:30.000 I think...

00:11:32.000 Probably somebody had it as a pet, if I had to guess.

00:11:34.000 I'm sure.

00:11:36.000 You hear of a bunch of illegal pets that people have in Hawaii.

00:11:39.000 It's just mind-blowing.

00:11:40.000 I'm like, what the fuck?

00:11:42.000 I heard stories of people having gorillas and shit.

00:11:46.000 What?

00:11:46.000 I'm like, what?

00:11:47.000 Gorillas?

00:11:48.000 Yeah, how the hell do you have this?

00:11:50.000 I don't know if people bullshit.

00:11:51.000 I never saw them.

00:11:52.000 People could be bullshit, but I'm not going to put it past that.

00:11:56.000 I saw more crazier stuff.

00:11:57.000 Well, it seems like they would survive in the jungle if they could get out there.

00:12:01.000 Yeah.

00:12:01.000 I mean, they just eat plants.

00:12:03.000 There's so much greenery in Hawaii.

00:12:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:05.000 Depends on what island, right?

00:12:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:07.000 What island did they see a gorilla?

00:12:09.000 They were saying on the island we live on.

00:12:11.000 On a wild one?

00:12:12.000 Yeah.

00:12:12.000 It wasn't a wild one.

00:12:14.000 It was like a pet.

00:12:15.000 Oh.

00:12:15.000 A pet person.

00:12:16.000 Somebody catching them with pets.

00:12:17.000 I might be snitching on someone.

00:12:19.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:12:21.000 Well, I think they're trying to limit people's ability to own primates in America.

00:12:28.000 I'm sure you heard about that story about the lady in Connecticut who kept a pet chimpanzee and then attacked her friend and tore her face off.

00:12:35.000 No, I did not.

00:12:36.000 It's a crazy story because this lady kind of had a relationship with this chimp.

00:12:42.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:12:43.000 What kind of relationship are we talking about?

00:12:45.000 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

00:12:45.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:12:46.000 Yeah, she was sleeping in the bed with this chimp.

00:12:49.000 The chimp drank wine and took Xanax.

00:12:52.000 She was feeding the chimp Xanax.

00:12:55.000 And the lady's friend came over and the chimp attacked the lady's friend.

00:13:00.000 Is it a guy?

00:13:00.000 No, a woman.

00:13:01.000 A woman friend?

00:13:02.000 I think the lady was probably cock-blocking, and the chimp was like, fuck all this, and just tore her apart.

00:13:08.000 I mean, I shouldn't be laughing, but that's wild.

00:13:10.000 It's horrible.

00:13:11.000 It was a big chimp, too.

00:13:13.000 They're smart.

00:13:15.000 They say we evolution from those guys.

00:13:20.000 You see what the scientists are doing with these chimps, or gorillas, or whatever they do.

00:13:27.000 These guys are smart.

00:13:28.000 You can talk to them.

00:13:29.000 They talk back.

00:13:30.000 Some of them know sign language.

00:13:33.000 Why are you trying to mess with that?

00:13:35.000 Have you not seen Planet of the Apes?

00:13:37.000 I'm sure there are three movies of it.

00:13:39.000 Come on, guys.

00:13:40.000 Let's relax.

00:13:41.000 Someone in the future could do something like that.

00:13:44.000 Take a chimp and genetically engineer it to make it almost as smart as a person or as smart as a person.

00:13:50.000 I wouldn't be surprised if someone's already doing it.

00:13:53.000 There it is.

00:13:54.000 He's eating her.

00:13:55.000 Shoot him.

00:13:55.000 Scream the chimp's owner.

00:13:57.000 Yeah, he was a huge chimp and he tore her face apart.

00:14:01.000 I think he bit her fingers off.

00:14:03.000 Did that woman survive?

00:14:05.000 She was torn apart.

00:14:08.000 Yeah.

00:14:09.000 Oh, don't show me the pictures of the lady.

00:14:11.000 I have seen them.

00:14:13.000 They're awful.

00:14:13.000 They're crazy?

00:14:14.000 Yeah, because chimps are different than other animals.

00:14:18.000 They know what you like.

00:14:19.000 They know that you need your hands, and they know that you like your balls.

00:14:22.000 They know that you need your feet.

00:14:24.000 Those are one of the things that they attack.

00:14:26.000 They attack your face.

00:14:27.000 They tear your face apart.

00:14:28.000 They pull your eyes out.

00:14:29.000 They bite your fingers off.

00:14:30.000 They tear your dick off, and they tear your feet off.

00:14:34.000 I know, that's just nuts.

00:14:35.000 I'm laughing because I'm just blown away.

00:14:37.000 It's fucked up.

00:14:38.000 Yeah.

00:14:38.000 Because they're smart.

00:14:39.000 They're super smart.

00:14:40.000 Like, there's fucking movies on this.

00:14:43.000 Yeah.

00:14:43.000 And there's people who's doing it, you know?

00:14:45.000 Like, there's going to come a time they're saying, like, you know, like, modern warfare and stuff is, like, true, like, Wi-Fi and shit.

00:14:51.000 We're going to have wars and whatever.

00:14:53.000 And then the next thing is, like, I hear robots and shit, but what is it to do is just...

00:14:57.000 You just fucking start breeding crazy silverbacks and chimps and whatever.

00:15:02.000 And then you make them, like...

00:15:04.000 I don't know, you make a chip that makes them somewhat human, they can talk and this and that, and you send them off to war.

00:15:09.000 Put some kind of helmet on them that has some interface, like some computer interface with a chimp's brain, and you have some helmet where they can see things, like infrared and night vision and shit.

00:15:22.000 Elon Musk says his startup Neuralink...

00:15:24.000 Ah, fucking, they got us with this goddamn...

00:15:27.000 You gotta shut that adblocker off, son.

00:15:29.000 You gotta just give in to the network.

00:15:31.000 Elon Musk says his startup Neuralink has wired up a monkey to play video games using its mind.

00:15:36.000 Exactly.

00:15:37.000 See?

00:15:38.000 He's already ahead.

00:15:41.000 He's already ahead.

00:15:42.000 You fucking watch Iron Man?

00:15:44.000 Yeah.

00:15:45.000 You watch Iron Man?

00:15:45.000 Iron Man played both sides, too, at one point, you know?

00:15:48.000 I fucking...

00:15:49.000 Elon was in the fucking Iron Man, one of them, so I don't know.

00:15:52.000 Well, he's creating this Neuralink thing.

00:15:55.000 Yeah, I saw it.

00:15:55.000 You know that?

00:15:56.000 They're going to put wires into people's brains.

00:15:58.000 And he told me that you're going to be able to talk with no words.

00:16:02.000 To your mind?

00:16:02.000 He's going to be able to, like, you and I could sit here.

00:16:04.000 Yeah.

00:16:05.000 We're going to have a conversation with no words.

00:16:06.000 I mean, you can kind of do that with, like, the love of your life sometimes, you know?

00:16:09.000 Yeah.

00:16:13.000 Yeah, like you know each other.

00:16:15.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:16:16.000 But I think you're gonna be able to have like full conversations.

00:16:20.000 Fucking Elon, he's something else.

00:16:23.000 Yeah.

00:16:25.000 He's probably one of those freaking parasites that jumped on the stuff on one of the guys from the moon.

00:16:31.000 They came back and he just evolutionized himself.

00:16:34.000 He just kept growing.

00:16:35.000 He's like, what is this amino acid?

00:16:36.000 What is this?

00:16:37.000 What is this?

00:16:37.000 Oh.

00:16:38.000 Take that, Jim's brain.

00:16:39.000 Definitely the most likely candidate for an alien living amongst us.

00:16:42.000 Oh, 100%.

00:16:43.000 100%.

00:16:44.000 You see the kind of stuff.

00:16:45.000 How do you think of that?

00:16:47.000 Not only that, how does he do multiple different things like that?

00:16:50.000 Multiple, yeah.

00:16:51.000 He's got Starlink, so he's creating a whole network of satellites that can give high-speed internet to the whole world.

00:16:57.000 Then, he's got SpaceX.

00:16:59.000 SpaceX.

00:17:00.000 He's flying rockets, and the boosters can come back and land.

00:17:03.000 You could reuse them quickly.

00:17:05.000 Then he's got Tesla, the fastest, most ridiculously advanced cars that anybody's ever created, ever.

00:17:12.000 And then he's got the boring company that builds these tunnels underneath the earth, and you're going to shoot people from fucking Vegas to Los Angeles.

00:17:22.000 And then he's got Hyperlink, where he's got He's got so much shit going on.

00:17:26.000 And then he got like kids around that he's trying to show that they don't need to be in school.

00:17:31.000 So they're just fucking doing shit and whatever.

00:17:33.000 And then he got like, he got all kind of...

00:17:34.000 Well, he's been saying a lot lately that you don't need a college education.

00:17:38.000 You don't need to.

00:17:38.000 I mean, did he go to college?

00:17:40.000 I believe he did.

00:17:42.000 Do they have college on Mars?

00:17:44.000 No.

00:17:46.000 He'll start it up there.

00:17:47.000 I'm going to try to get you to spill some beans on Elon.

00:17:49.000 He went to college, but what he's saying is essentially you could have a bachelor's education, a bachelor's degree, and still be a moron.

00:17:56.000 Yeah.

00:17:57.000 That's what it is.

00:17:58.000 Just because, I mean...

00:18:00.000 I know some guys that I met some people in my life where they're like smart, just book smart, just crazy.

00:18:08.000 But common sense, motherfuckers don't know.

00:18:10.000 Like there's this one kid, like he was like a valedictorian.

00:18:13.000 He has like a 4.8 GPA, blah, blah.

00:18:16.000 He gets into a car accident.

00:18:18.000 He bangs, he ends up on top of his neighbor's yard and he runs away from the car.

00:18:23.000 Not knowing like there's your name in the car, there's everything.

00:18:26.000 What the fuck are you doing?

00:18:27.000 What are you doing?

00:18:28.000 I'm like, come on, bro.

00:18:30.000 What are you doing?

00:18:31.000 Some people panic.

00:18:32.000 Yeah.

00:18:33.000 When you panic, your brain don't work so well.

00:18:35.000 Yeah.

00:18:36.000 That's the thing with fighting, too, right?

00:18:39.000 That's probably why some guys are really good at the gym, where there's no panic.

00:18:43.000 You know each other real well.

00:18:44.000 They spar.

00:18:45.000 They move real good.

00:18:46.000 But then the panic of a fight limits.

00:18:49.000 Yeah, it's them lights.

00:18:50.000 Yeah, them lights.

00:18:51.000 I mean, you hear about it all the time.

00:18:53.000 I'm sure you heard about it a hundred million times.

00:18:56.000 This guy's like, oh my god, this guy's a killer.

00:18:59.000 He's a freaking killer.

00:19:00.000 And then when you go out there, everybody's looking at you and like, I thought he was a killer.

00:19:05.000 What the hell does killer go?

00:19:06.000 I knew a guy like that in jujitsu.

00:19:09.000 When I was a blue belt, there was this kid who was a black belt.

00:19:11.000 And man, he was fucking good.

00:19:13.000 But he would panic in tournaments.

00:19:16.000 And it didn't make any sense.

00:19:17.000 Like, you would roll with him and he would just have his way with people.

00:19:19.000 He was so good, so talented.

00:19:22.000 And my instructor was really high on this guy.

00:19:25.000 He's like, man, I'm telling you, if you could just get your head together.

00:19:29.000 And I was like, what's wrong with his head?

00:19:30.000 And they were like, oh, when he competes, he panics.

00:19:33.000 I'm like, he's so good.

00:19:34.000 And it's just jujitsu.

00:19:36.000 It's not even getting hit.

00:19:37.000 But for whatever reason, when he would get out there, he just couldn't perform.

00:19:42.000 And he would fall apart.

00:19:43.000 He'd get tired real easy.

00:19:44.000 It was like when the pandemic first happened.

00:19:49.000 And then UFC continued to do fights for us.

00:19:52.000 And I was telling everybody, you can find out who the real fighters is right now.

00:19:55.000 Because some people, some real fighters can't.

00:19:59.000 Some guys, they're showmen.

00:20:00.000 And they need that crowd.

00:20:02.000 And they need the let's go.

00:20:03.000 Blah, blah, blah.

00:20:04.000 I told myself, this is like an Alley Street fight now.

00:20:07.000 No one's there.

00:20:08.000 You're going to fight the blood.

00:20:10.000 You're going to fight who's the true blood.

00:20:12.000 The guys that...

00:20:13.000 Bloodsport or kickboxer where you got the glass on top of your knuckles.

00:20:17.000 This is what it is.

00:20:18.000 You find those guys right now.

00:20:20.000 And we got to.

00:20:22.000 You see who needs a crowd.

00:20:24.000 Because there are some guys that do need a crowd.

00:20:26.000 When they get wobbled, they're like, no, don't go in.

00:20:28.000 Or that Rocky thing.

00:20:30.000 Let's go, Rocky.

00:20:33.000 You know?

00:20:33.000 Versus the guy's like, fuck your cheerleading ass.

00:20:37.000 This is a fight.

00:20:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:20:39.000 I always told everybody, I don't care if I'm fighting in front of 100,000 people.

00:20:43.000 I don't care if I'm on the side of an alleyway.

00:20:48.000 If Dana White signs me and makes sure that there's a lot of zeros at the end of that contract, and I'm not going to jail after it's all said and done, we can fight in the alleyway.

00:20:57.000 And that's what it was.

00:20:58.000 We was fighting, well, had some high-power sheiks.

00:21:02.000 I mean, when I walked out, it was like 10 sheiks.

00:21:04.000 One of them was in a gold freaking thing.

00:21:06.000 I was like, holy shit.

00:21:07.000 Really?

00:21:08.000 Yeah, the first one with the first fight out and I went.

00:21:12.000 I had like 10 sheiks right there.

00:21:14.000 I was like, oh.

00:21:15.000 It's wild being over there, right?

00:21:16.000 Must be guys or something.

00:21:18.000 You know, the amount of money those guys have, it's not really registered.

00:21:23.000 This is the thing.

00:21:23.000 When they talk about like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos, the richest man in the world, like...

00:21:29.000 Probably not really.

00:21:30.000 Yeah, the richest man in the world on paper.

00:21:33.000 Yeah.

00:21:33.000 Because there's some guys, you know, let's go look at El Chapo's stuff, you know?

00:21:37.000 Like, where's El Chapo?

00:21:38.000 But then there are guys with the oil, though.

00:21:41.000 I think El Chapo was actually on Forbes 500 list at one point in time.

00:21:45.000 For real?

00:21:45.000 Yeah, that's one of the reasons why he was kind of getting in trouble.

00:21:48.000 Yeah, of the money they did know, though.

00:21:50.000 Yeah.

00:21:50.000 They did know.

00:21:51.000 Well, the people that I know that study the cartel, that really understand the cartel, that work with the Mexican government, they said there's a lot of guys that are way more prominent, but they keep low-key.

00:22:02.000 Oh, yeah, because they don't want to be like Escobar or Pablo Escobar or any of these guys that become famous.

00:22:08.000 He's like, that's not what you do.

00:22:10.000 The smart guys, they stay low-key.

00:22:12.000 Yeah, I know.

00:22:12.000 And then they run everything from the shadows.

00:22:14.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:22:15.000 But that's what they do.

00:22:16.000 And then they get guys like that, so...

00:22:18.000 That's a little bit of their fortune.

00:22:21.000 They're like, okay, let that take the heat while we're still doing our work over here getting whatever we're doing, you know?

00:22:25.000 But like these royal families, they don't have to disclose their income.

00:22:28.000 They don't have to.

00:22:29.000 So it's not the same thing as being like stockholders in Tesla or whatever it is that makes, you know, on paper Jeff Bezos look very wealthy.

00:22:38.000 These guys don't have to do that.

00:22:39.000 So according to people that I know and you know, they're like, these motherfuckers are way richer than anybody else.

00:22:45.000 Oh yeah, they don't give a shit.

00:22:47.000 I mean, um...

00:22:48.000 I was talking to some stories about when Khabib went there and they fought the Dustin fight.

00:22:52.000 And then the kids, they said they don't care if they're wearing the robes and stuff.

00:22:57.000 They don't care if they're a janitor.

00:22:59.000 You let them do whatever they want to do.

00:23:02.000 So they're just running in the cage.

00:23:04.000 I guess I had kids and stuff running in the cage and they couldn't touch them.

00:23:07.000 They were like, you don't touch these guys.

00:23:09.000 Something's going to happen to you if you touch them.

00:23:10.000 So I was like, oh, that's pretty insane.

00:23:13.000 Yeah, well, they run things differently over there.

00:23:15.000 Yeah, I mean, they shut down the fucking whole island for us, so I'm pretty sure it's a lot different over there.

00:23:22.000 But on the other side of the flip side of it, I'm so happy that the UFC did that, because that's how you get international fighters, because there's no other way to get international fighters to put that island together, and I'm so happy that they put together the first fight in Florida, the first event with no audience.

00:23:39.000 I'm like, I fucking love that they had the balls to do that.

00:23:42.000 I mean, I do too.

00:23:47.000 Many UFC fighters, you know, they don't...

00:23:49.000 UFC is all they have.

00:23:51.000 They're not really at that point where they're like, oh, I'm going to start branching off and do this and this and this.

00:23:55.000 A lot of them is just like, this is UFC. All I know is fighting.

00:23:59.000 So, him giving us the opportunity.

00:24:01.000 And then you got to see...

00:24:02.000 And then you got to see a bunch of guys who really are fighters.

00:24:06.000 They're fighting once every two weeks now.

00:24:09.000 And it's like, fuck, good for you.

00:24:11.000 Go make your name, get your name out there, this and that.

00:24:14.000 Even with all the heat that UFC was getting, or even Dana, that little FU video was pretty cool to see when he came out with it.

00:24:22.000 Yeah, and see, in the beginning they were getting heat, but after a while, everybody did it.

00:24:26.000 They all did it.

00:24:27.000 Bellator did it.

00:24:27.000 They were talking shit.

00:24:28.000 NFL did it.

00:24:29.000 NBA did it.

00:24:31.000 MLB is doing it now.

00:24:32.000 They jumped way ahead of everybody.

00:24:34.000 They tested everybody.

00:24:35.000 They did it safe.

00:24:36.000 I mean, you got to, in anything, in sport or even in business, got to be a guy who's crazy enough to do it at first.

00:24:45.000 Elon Musk, he was telling everybody about Tesla, about SpaceX, and they all looked at him like, you're a jackass, you know?

00:24:51.000 He's like, you're a jackass.

00:24:52.000 You can look at this.

00:24:53.000 And then he sold his PayPal.

00:24:55.000 He went bank.

00:24:56.000 He pretty much went broke.

00:24:58.000 He dropped all his money into SpaceX and his store.

00:25:00.000 And then he had to ask his friends, his rich friends.

00:25:03.000 And only a couple of his rich friends were like, yeah, you know what?

00:25:05.000 I'll give you this much.

00:25:06.000 And look what happened.

00:25:07.000 You need one crazy guy to do it.

00:25:09.000 And then everything starts to fall in place.

00:25:11.000 He almost went bust as early as, as recent as 2018. Yeah.

00:25:15.000 2018, he almost sold Tesla to Apple.

00:25:17.000 What?

00:25:18.000 I didn't hear that.

00:25:19.000 That's crazy.

00:25:20.000 Yeah, I was reading some article about that.

00:25:22.000 Did you read about that, Jamie?

00:25:23.000 Apple was trying to buy them.

00:25:24.000 I don't know how close they got, but yeah.

00:25:26.000 I think they got pretty close.

00:25:27.000 I think they got pretty close.

00:25:28.000 I don't remember what the holdup was.

00:25:30.000 I mean, when you got Apple trying to buy something, then you know I got a fucking great idea.

00:25:36.000 Nope.

00:25:36.000 Thank you for doubling it down on me.

00:25:38.000 I'm not stepping to you, Apple.

00:25:40.000 I'm doing this.

00:25:41.000 If you want to buy me, I know I got something.

00:25:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:43.000 I'm going to hang in there.

00:25:44.000 Exactly.

00:25:46.000 When you first started, when the pandemic, first of all, did you get COVID at all?

00:25:51.000 No, no, no.

00:25:52.000 I didn't.

00:25:53.000 No, did you?

00:25:54.000 No, no.

00:25:55.000 No, I didn't.

00:25:56.000 I've been around a lot of people that got it.

00:25:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:58.000 I was just smart about it.

00:26:00.000 I was staying home.

00:26:01.000 Fell back in love with playing video games.

00:26:03.000 I was just acting about when you're playing video games.

00:26:05.000 I'm streaming on Facebook Gaming now.

00:26:08.000 So I've just been home, bro.

00:26:09.000 I've been loving it.

00:26:09.000 You're a video game fiend.

00:26:11.000 I love video games, bro.

00:26:13.000 I love Modern Warfare right now.

00:26:16.000 The Call of Duty Warzone is like the crazy thing right now.

00:26:18.000 And then being who I am and what I do, I get to play with some big time players.

00:26:23.000 So it's just...

00:26:24.000 It's fucking exciting, man.

00:26:25.000 So do you get to play with professional gamers?

00:26:27.000 Yeah, some professional gamers.

00:26:28.000 I got this, my man named Tommy.

00:26:31.000 I got to, I don't know if you know Nick Merce, Tim the Fat Man.

00:26:34.000 No.

00:26:34.000 Tim the Fat Man.

00:26:35.000 Tim the Tap Man.

00:26:36.000 I got that Tim.

00:26:37.000 Tim, I'm sorry, Tim.

00:26:38.000 That's a clip.

00:26:39.000 I'm sorry, Tim.

00:26:40.000 Tim the Tatman, but I got to play some games with some big up guys and they just trip out like, oh, you playing with these guys?

00:26:46.000 Oh, wow.

00:26:46.000 And it's just fun.

00:26:48.000 How good are you?

00:26:49.000 I'm alright.

00:26:50.000 They like to gas me.

00:26:51.000 I don't know how good I really am.

00:26:54.000 I like to think I'm pretty good, but they like to gas me up.

00:26:56.000 They're like, holy shit, you're probably the best, like...

00:26:59.000 Player that plays sports, that celebrity that plays sports, that actually play the games.

00:27:03.000 As good as you are at fighting, that doesn't surprise me.

00:27:06.000 That doesn't surprise me at all.

00:27:07.000 I would imagine you can get that good at anything you do.

00:27:11.000 I mean, you guys can put your, you know, just, it's like you, you know, you just gotta put your mind to it, I think, you know, and I had a freaking, a lot, I had a year and so to put my mind to that to a point where my fiance is, like, threatening me, like, get the fuck out of the games, you need to do shit.

00:27:25.000 I'm like, I'm sorry, baby.

00:27:26.000 Yeah, it can get absorbed.

00:27:27.000 Like, what are you doing, like, eight hours a day, that kind of shit?

00:27:30.000 Oh, bro, like, when the first game...

00:27:32.000 Is this you?

00:27:32.000 Yeah.

00:27:32.000 Yeah, look at this.

00:27:33.000 Look at Max.

00:27:35.000 This game is wild.

00:27:36.000 This game is so fun.

00:27:37.000 Oh, my God, it looks fun.

00:27:39.000 So fun.

00:27:40.000 It's like...

00:27:40.000 They need an anti-cheat, though.

00:27:42.000 Come on.

00:27:42.000 Come on, Raven Software.

00:27:43.000 Get your anti-cheat out.

00:27:44.000 Oh, is it cheats?

00:27:45.000 Yeah, bro.

00:27:45.000 People fucking...

00:27:46.000 Fucking Jackie Chan's and Bruce Lee's.

00:27:49.000 There's always a problem with video games and bots, right?

00:27:53.000 Where dudes figure out a way at aiming bots and all kinds of different cheats where they can see through walls.

00:27:57.000 Is that what they're doing?

00:27:59.000 Yeah, wall hacks.

00:28:01.000 So how do they stop something like that?

00:28:03.000 Do they have to just update the code?

00:28:05.000 There's like the Waven software, they got to do that.

00:28:09.000 I think it's coding.

00:28:10.000 Coding?

00:28:11.000 Yeah, I know on a console, when you get caught cheating, they can pretty much...

00:28:17.000 Ban your console from ever going online again, you know like that kind of stuff and then like that's why PC gaming is super hard with it, but I saw like uh What is that counter-strike?

00:28:27.000 I saw a counter-strike.

00:28:28.000 They got the funniest game How to catch cheaters like you go around a corner you start start shooting like you start dropping all your weapons and stuff It's so funny.

00:28:36.000 It's like oh my god like Call of Duty needs some of that So, explain what happens?

00:28:42.000 The person who's cheating, they start dropping their weapons?

00:28:45.000 Yeah, so there's a place in the map in Counter-Strike that it said...

00:28:48.000 I was just looking up how the software worked, that's why.

00:28:51.000 And I think so, it was Counter-Strike, but there's a place in the map where he goes around the corner, he starts to shoot, and your weapons just get thrown out, like you're throwing your weapon down, or it keeps getting...

00:29:01.000 have to reload, like it just keeps doing an animation where it just fucks with you in the game.

00:29:04.000 Oh, so that's only...

00:29:05.000 2 for cheaters.

00:29:06.000 2 for cheaters, yeah.

00:29:07.000 So they have it set up so that if you are a cheater and you get to this spot on the map, you just go haywire.

00:29:11.000 Yeah, they see the software.

00:29:14.000 It's so cool.

00:29:15.000 I was like, I mean, Call of Duty needs that.

00:29:17.000 Imagine getting in a gunfight and you fucking just drop your weapon.

00:29:19.000 It'd be so funny.

00:29:20.000 Well, Counter-Strike, correct me if I'm wrong, it started with Half-Life, right?

00:29:25.000 Yep.

00:29:26.000 Half-Life is a wild game.

00:29:27.000 You ever play Half-Life?

00:29:28.000 No, I haven't ever.

00:29:29.000 Half-Life is a cool...

00:29:30.000 Just the game game is cool.

00:29:32.000 It's about some scientists that are...

00:29:34.000 They're doing this experiment and they open up a portal to another dimension.

00:29:37.000 It's an old game.

00:29:38.000 Like, what year was that?

00:29:40.000 2000?

00:29:41.000 Half-Life 3, they've been asking to come out for almost 20 years now.

00:29:44.000 So, like, it's an old...

00:29:45.000 Really?

00:29:46.000 Oh, shit.

00:29:46.000 I'm getting...

00:29:47.000 I think so.

00:29:48.000 Because I remember getting Half-Life 2 when I was in college.

00:29:50.000 It was just like 2004-05.

00:29:51.000 And then Half-Life 3 has not come out yet, so...

00:29:54.000 Well, I remember when I was playing Quake, a lot of guys went over and started playing Counter-Strike, which is the multiplayer version of Half-Life.

00:30:01.000 So it doesn't have all the monsters and the different dimensions and stuff, but it has all the conventional weapons.

00:30:06.000 That's cool.

00:30:07.000 Yeah.

00:30:08.000 Quake is like a different game.

00:30:10.000 Yeah, you played Quake.

00:30:11.000 You was hard.

00:30:12.000 I remember the first time I came here, you was telling me like, yeah, you had to turn it off or you was going to be like single and stuff.

00:30:17.000 Yeah.

00:30:18.000 Well, when we set up at the old studio in LA, Jamie and I and Jeff, we started playing every day.

00:30:26.000 And we were playing five hours a fucking day.

00:30:29.000 And it became a real problem.

00:30:30.000 Hey, babe.

00:30:32.000 Today we're going in.

00:30:33.000 We got this person coming in.

00:30:34.000 And it's this last minute.

00:30:35.000 You don't fucking work on Saturdays.

00:30:37.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:30:38.000 There's a thing.

00:30:38.000 I gotta take care of.

00:30:40.000 There's a network issue.

00:30:41.000 I gotta go down there.

00:30:43.000 We were playing so much.

00:30:44.000 But I started getting good again.

00:30:45.000 That's when it gets dangerous.

00:30:46.000 That's why you get dated because you start winning.

00:30:48.000 And you start kicking ass.

00:30:49.000 Exactly.

00:30:50.000 Yeah, and then you start...

00:30:51.000 I don't know.

00:30:52.000 The funniest thing about Call of Duty is...

00:30:56.000 This is Quake.

00:30:57.000 Oh, this is dope.

00:30:57.000 This is so much faster-paced.

00:30:58.000 It's like some Halo shit, yeah.

00:31:00.000 It's so fast-paced.

00:31:01.000 That's the thing about it.

00:31:03.000 It's so adrenaline-fueled that as you're playing this game, your adrenaline just gets so jacked up.

00:31:10.000 Yeah, it's like destiny.

00:31:11.000 And I would leave and my hands would be shaking.

00:31:14.000 My heart would be racing.

00:31:14.000 I'd be like, what?

00:31:15.000 I feel terrible.

00:31:16.000 You went to a fucking workout, yeah.

00:31:18.000 But it wasn't a workout, because after a workout, you feel good.

00:31:21.000 After this game, I would feel really fucked up.

00:31:24.000 What am I doing with my life?

00:31:26.000 I would feel like that.

00:31:29.000 I realize it's an addiction.

00:31:31.000 It is really fun, but I just get addicted too easy.

00:31:35.000 Yeah, I have a super addicting personality, my coach would tell me.

00:31:40.000 He always told me, because I don't drink and stuff, I did a little bit, but he always told me, Max, Don't get into drinking.

00:31:46.000 I was like, why?

00:31:48.000 I can't control myself.

00:31:49.000 He's like, no, motherfucker.

00:31:51.000 You listen here.

00:31:52.000 You're a dick.

00:31:53.000 You're an addict.

00:31:55.000 You're just going to get something.

00:31:56.000 You're just going to keep on wanting to push it to the limit.

00:31:58.000 That's what you are with fighting.

00:32:00.000 That's why you got so good at fighting.

00:32:02.000 You know who told me that?

00:32:03.000 BJ Penn.

00:32:04.000 Yeah?

00:32:04.000 Yeah, BJ Penn was telling me once that he was talking to this friend of his, and this friend of his, he's like, how long you been doing jiu-jitsu?

00:32:12.000 And he's like, three years.

00:32:13.000 I'm trying to get my black belt like you in three years, and this and that.

00:32:17.000 And he's like, oh man, you're really into jiu-jitsu?

00:32:19.000 And he goes, no, no, no.

00:32:20.000 He goes, I'm addicted!

00:32:22.000 He goes, just like you, BJ. And then BJ said, oh shit.

00:32:25.000 And then I realized, like, I'm a fucking addict.

00:32:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:28.000 He goes, I just got addicted to jiu-jitsu.

00:32:30.000 I got addicted to something good.

00:32:31.000 We were laughing.

00:32:32.000 But he's like, he was just realizing, like, I was addicted.

00:32:35.000 Yeah.

00:32:35.000 I'm addicted to jiu-jitsu.

00:32:36.000 Yeah, it's just personality.

00:32:38.000 Yeah.

00:32:38.000 And it's just, like I said, on the Call of Duty game, the fun thing is there's a...

00:32:43.000 When you kill them, you can hear them.

00:32:45.000 Kill comms.

00:32:46.000 So you hear their opponents that you kill.

00:32:48.000 The funniest one is like, you fucking cheater!

00:32:51.000 You're a fucking hacker!

00:32:52.000 They just start swearing at you.

00:32:53.000 It's so funny.

00:32:55.000 And that gets addicting.

00:32:56.000 You love hearing people talking shit.

00:32:59.000 Well, you could do that in Quake too, but we would do that sometimes.

00:33:02.000 We would set up microphones and talk to each other, but I kind of like it when you don't hear them.

00:33:07.000 Yeah?

00:33:07.000 Yeah, I'd rather not hear anybody.

00:33:09.000 I love hearing, I love talking shit.

00:33:11.000 At the ending of it, if you come first place, and the guy's second place, if they stay to the ending stuff, you can kind of talk.

00:33:20.000 There's a little chat time to talk to each other.

00:33:22.000 Oh, people get so salty in it.

00:33:24.000 They get so mad, man.

00:33:26.000 I'm like, yeah, I'm here for it.

00:33:27.000 People get very emotional about video games, man.

00:33:30.000 One of my friends is like, go back to the lobby.

00:33:33.000 You suck.

00:33:34.000 I was like, go back to the lobby.

00:33:36.000 Go back to the lobby.

00:33:37.000 It's so funny.

00:33:39.000 I'm like, bro, people think this is way too serious, but it's a good time.

00:33:42.000 Have you ever fucked with Oculus Rift or any of those virtual reality games?

00:33:46.000 Actually, talking about it, it's weird.

00:33:48.000 Oculus is actually going to send me something.

00:33:49.000 You see Dana White's old ass.

00:33:50.000 He's huffing and puffing his hair.

00:33:53.000 He's like, these guys, it's not an ad.

00:33:55.000 I'm really saying this for myself.

00:33:57.000 He's all tired.

00:33:57.000 And then I wrote to him.

00:33:59.000 And Oculus wrote to me after they sent me.

00:34:01.000 They actually wrote to me.

00:34:03.000 And I replied to them, and they said they're going to send me one, so I'm excited.

00:34:06.000 They're very good.

00:34:07.000 You can get a good workout in with those boxing games.

00:34:09.000 They're cool, too.

00:34:09.000 Because when you get hit, you see a flash of light.

00:34:12.000 Yeah.

00:34:12.000 Like the screen lights up.

00:34:14.000 Like you see the boxing glove come at you, and a light flashes.

00:34:17.000 Like you got hit, so you feel like, oh shit, I got hit.

00:34:20.000 I mean, it's funny watching those videos, you know, the reaction videos of the kids playing the games, and they're like running towards you.

00:34:27.000 And they're running into their screen, or they jump in.

00:34:29.000 Look at Dana.

00:34:30.000 Look at Dana's tight.

00:34:31.000 It's huffing and puffing.

00:34:32.000 Yeah.

00:34:33.000 Look, he's so tired.

00:34:35.000 I don't think he does any cardio.

00:34:37.000 I think Dana just does, like, chest and bi's.

00:34:41.000 Yeah?

00:34:42.000 And maybe micro-dosing something.

00:34:43.000 I don't know.

00:34:45.000 Micro-dosing?

00:34:46.000 What?

00:34:47.000 You mean, like, testosterone?

00:34:48.000 For sure.

00:34:49.000 He's stacked.

00:34:51.000 Yeah, he's getting large.

00:34:52.000 But I think all he does is lift weights, mostly.

00:34:54.000 Oh, yeah?

00:34:55.000 Yeah, I don't think he's into cardio.

00:34:56.000 I mean, I saw him do pull-ups one.

00:34:57.000 He killed it on his pull-ups.

00:34:58.000 Yeah, he kills his pull-ups, right?

00:35:00.000 He's a strong dude.

00:35:00.000 He's super strong.

00:35:01.000 And he's a boxer, right?

00:35:02.000 Didn't he do boxing?

00:35:03.000 Yeah, he boxed a lot, yeah.

00:35:04.000 Yeah.

00:35:05.000 We need to get him in the celebrity fight or something.

00:35:07.000 Do you remember when he was supposed to fight Tito Ortiz?

00:35:08.000 Do you remember that?

00:35:09.000 Yeah, but what happened?

00:35:10.000 Whatever.

00:35:10.000 I don't know.

00:35:12.000 I don't know.

00:35:12.000 I don't know what went wrong there.

00:35:14.000 How do you think it would have went?

00:35:16.000 Dan's a good boxer, man.

00:35:18.000 Yeah, he's pretty good.

00:35:18.000 If it's a fight, Tito Ortiz is going to take him down and smash him.

00:35:22.000 Tito's a fucking...

00:35:23.000 No, no, it's going to be a boxing man.

00:35:24.000 Tito's a fucking gorilla.

00:35:25.000 But did you see...

00:35:26.000 He's a big guy, Tito.

00:35:28.000 Yeah, Tito is huge.

00:35:28.000 But do you not see all these crazy boxing fights and MMA guys fighting?

00:35:33.000 Do you not see...

00:35:34.000 What's his name?

00:35:35.000 Frank Muir is fighting an actual champion boxer.

00:35:38.000 Antonio Tarver.

00:35:39.000 The guy who knocked out Roy Jones Jr. Yeah, he's fighting a beast.

00:35:44.000 Tarver is fucking good.

00:35:47.000 Once I saw him, I was like, bro, I was like...

00:35:49.000 What are we doing?

00:35:51.000 What are we doing?

00:35:53.000 Let the boxers of MMA fight boxers in boxing.

00:35:57.000 Antonio Tarver, Frank Muir to box on Jake Paul, Ben Askren cards.

00:36:01.000 Look, Frank Muir, he's a gangster.

00:36:04.000 He doesn't give a fuck.

00:36:04.000 He'll fight anybody.

00:36:05.000 I mean, Frank Muir's been around for a long time.

00:36:08.000 Frank, if you're watching, take the point deduction, do a Grammy roll into a heel hook and just crack it one time.

00:36:17.000 You take it.

00:36:17.000 Yeah, if you wanted to.

00:36:19.000 Yeah, if you wanted to, that's a wrap.

00:36:21.000 All you have to do is leg kick him once.

00:36:23.000 Take the one point, whatever it is.

00:36:25.000 Take the one point.

00:36:26.000 Just hit him with one calf kick.

00:36:28.000 Oh, I didn't know.

00:36:29.000 Oh, I so forgot.

00:36:30.000 I'm just in this mode, you know?

00:36:32.000 Or one oblique kick to the knee.

00:36:34.000 Oh, whoops.

00:36:35.000 It slipped my mind.

00:36:37.000 I'm just fighting.

00:36:37.000 I've been fighting him my whole life.

00:36:39.000 I can't help myself.

00:36:40.000 I elbow in the clinch.

00:36:41.000 I don't mean to.

00:36:43.000 One, you take the one point.

00:36:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:46.000 Yeah, no one wants to fight MMA. That's what's interesting.

00:36:49.000 Like, the only one who ever had the balls to do it was James Toney.

00:36:51.000 He's the only guy that ever stepped in.

00:36:53.000 And he did it.

00:36:53.000 Yeah.

00:36:53.000 And he did it, and I respect the man.

00:36:56.000 But, uh...

00:36:58.000 I ran into James.

00:36:59.000 Randy Couture, a G for doing that.

00:37:02.000 Just a single.

00:37:03.000 Real low single.

00:37:04.000 Tripped him.

00:37:05.000 Boom!

00:37:06.000 Yeah.

00:37:06.000 Low single.

00:37:07.000 Got him down.

00:37:08.000 Arm triangled him.

00:37:09.000 I ran into James Tony afterwards, like a week later at the gas station.

00:37:13.000 Yeah, what happened?

00:37:14.000 He lived near my house.

00:37:15.000 I used to run into him all the time.

00:37:16.000 Yeah, what'd he say?

00:37:17.000 He's like, hey, what are you going to do?

00:37:19.000 Hey, he took it.

00:37:21.000 Most guys would be like, you're not standing up with me.

00:37:24.000 But he knew he was getting into a fight fight, you know?

00:37:26.000 Well, I think the way James looked at it, it's like, look, his hands are better than anybody that's ever fought in the UFC. All he has to do is land one shot.

00:37:33.000 That's everybody's.

00:37:33.000 That's all they're thinking.

00:37:35.000 All they're thinking of boxers coming over is like, Okay, yeah, you can take me down, but if I land that uppercut when you step in or something, you're gonna die.

00:37:42.000 Like Derrick Lewis, you know?

00:37:43.000 Like Derrick Lewis.

00:37:44.000 Like, look at that.

00:37:45.000 That was...

00:37:45.000 But Derrick Lewis is an MMA fighter.

00:37:48.000 Yeah, he knows how to distance yourself and whatever, you know?

00:37:51.000 But T-Butt is a...

00:37:52.000 Terrence Crawford, he was a wrestler in Omaha.

00:37:56.000 Yes.

00:37:57.000 And his sons all wrestle too.

00:37:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:59.000 They wrestle right now.

00:38:00.000 It was funny.

00:38:01.000 T-Bud is so complex.

00:38:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:03.000 He can switch stances.

00:38:05.000 He's a switch fighter.

00:38:06.000 Just as good from Southpaw as Orthodox.

00:38:08.000 And he got power power.

00:38:10.000 If anybody wanted to fight in MMA and fuck people up, it would be him.

00:38:12.000 I think it would be him, yeah.

00:38:13.000 But he's making so much money in boxing, why would he do that?

00:38:16.000 Yeah, why?

00:38:17.000 Did you not just see, like, someone in boxing?

00:38:19.000 Did you see, like, Timo Fio Lopez, just what bid they got from Triller?

00:38:23.000 It's just stupid money.

00:38:24.000 What did he get?

00:38:25.000 The bid was, like, $6.2 million on the fight that he got coming up.

00:38:31.000 Real?

00:38:31.000 Yeah, and he's getting, like, 70 or 60-something percent.

00:38:35.000 Yeah, he's getting, like, $4 million, I think, from it.

00:38:37.000 It's like, that's what's up.

00:38:38.000 Listen, man, that guy beat the guy who everybody was saying, He was going to smash him.

00:38:43.000 I was just telling everybody, I think knockout, it's all Lopez, but if it goes to the decision, it's going to be Loma.

00:38:54.000 And then he goes out there and just does what he does.

00:38:58.000 Smashes.

00:38:58.000 You know what it was?

00:38:59.000 He put him in so much danger.

00:39:01.000 T-Femo has so much power.

00:39:03.000 So much.

00:39:03.000 And you can see, you know, everybody, like, I'm a big, uh, I'm a big, uh, stuff fan, you know, uh, what is his name?

00:39:11.000 Matrix.

00:39:12.000 I'm a big fan of him, but at the end of the day, it's like, everybody's like, oh, he's so, like, he had an injury or something.

00:39:17.000 He had surgery after, but it's like...

00:39:20.000 Come on, man.

00:39:21.000 He knows how to win.

00:39:22.000 He's a fighter.

00:39:22.000 He took the fight for a reason.

00:39:24.000 He has some good moments in the later rounds.

00:39:26.000 Lopez just had a great game plan, I think, to put him in danger where he thought he wasn't going to be in danger.

00:39:33.000 And he did his thing, man.

00:39:35.000 Lopez is way more powerful.

00:39:38.000 And he's huge.

00:39:39.000 He's a big guy.

00:39:39.000 Lopez is like one of the guys that look like, for boxing, looks like he's like an MMA guy fighting to cut weight over there in boxing.

00:39:47.000 You know, usually boxers walk around their fight weight, you know, they don't cut too much, but Lopez is huge.

00:39:52.000 Every time he steps in there, he looks like three, four times the size of the guy.

00:39:55.000 I'm like, holy shit.

00:39:56.000 He's big.

00:39:57.000 He's big, muscular, fast as fuck.

00:39:59.000 And he keeps that pace too.

00:40:01.000 The whole time.

00:40:02.000 He doesn't gas out.

00:40:03.000 Yeah, the whole time.

00:40:04.000 He's dangerous deep into the 12th round.

00:40:06.000 He gets to knock you in the 12th round.

00:40:08.000 He won the 12th against Lomachenko.

00:40:10.000 Yeah.

00:40:10.000 That was a big part of the fight because Lomachenko was coming on.

00:40:13.000 He was coming on around the 9th or 8th round, they're saying.

00:40:17.000 Yeah, but he cemented it in the 12th.

00:40:19.000 Yeah.

00:40:19.000 He's a beast.

00:40:20.000 Beast.

00:40:21.000 And a young kid, too.

00:40:22.000 He's like 22?

00:40:23.000 Yeah, 23 or 23. Yeah, something around that.

00:40:25.000 23, 24 or around that age.

00:40:27.000 I'm like, bro.

00:40:27.000 Not even in his prime.

00:40:29.000 Not even close.

00:40:30.000 I remember when you were fighting in the UFC. First fight in the UFC. What are you, 20?

00:40:33.000 I was 20. I was 20. That was wild.

00:40:35.000 Yeah, it was crazy.

00:40:36.000 That was crazy.

00:40:37.000 That was good fun.

00:40:38.000 That was a good fun time.

00:40:39.000 Isn't it crazy looking back now?

00:40:41.000 You're a veteran, world champion veteran, and you come back and think about when you were 20 years old, when you first fought in the UFC. Time keeps rolling.

00:40:51.000 You keep getting better.

00:40:53.000 You keep having more experiences.

00:40:55.000 That's the whole thing, you know?

00:40:56.000 It was funny.

00:40:57.000 I mean, we talked about it last time I was on here.

00:40:59.000 And we just talked about how everybody is like, yeah, this young, new contender, this young, new line coming up.

00:41:05.000 I'm like, I'm the youngest guy in the division.

00:41:08.000 I'm 29 years old.

00:41:10.000 Relax.

00:41:10.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:41:11.000 Yeah, I remember the Ortega fight was tough, and then even this fight, there was like a new young hungry contender with Katara that was saying, but Katara is the one that was like, he actually said the age thing.

00:41:23.000 I didn't know Katara was that old either, but he said the age thing, and then he was like, oh, a freshman and whatever, and I was like, fuck.

00:41:30.000 Finally, someone calling me some type of freshman or something.

00:41:32.000 Thank you, Qatar.

00:41:33.000 He said you were a freshman, he's a senior.

00:41:35.000 Yeah, that's what he said.

00:41:36.000 It was funny because when I was sitting down, I was like, okay.

00:41:39.000 That was a crazy fight, man.

00:41:40.000 That was, in my opinion, one of the most impressive performances I've ever seen in my entire career.

00:41:45.000 That was my favorite fight of all time, man.

00:41:47.000 All the fights I've ever called, watching fights, seeing fights since I was a kid.

00:41:53.000 There's something about that fight where it seemed like you came into your own in that fight in a way.

00:42:01.000 First of all, Calvin Cater, that guy is a super dangerous guy.

00:42:04.000 Super dangerous.

00:42:05.000 Some of the best hands in the sport.

00:42:07.000 Monster.

00:42:07.000 And for you to outbox him the way you did and just to put it on him...

00:42:11.000 Round after round after round and then in the final round when you're talking shit and you were pointing over to the UFC matchmakers like I'm the best boxer in MMA and he's throwing punches at you and you're moving your head.

00:42:24.000 I was like, Jesus Christ, Max is in the fucking Matrix.

00:42:26.000 There's moments in guys' careers where they reach this new place.

00:42:32.000 You know, and that's what it looked like with you.

00:42:34.000 You just looked like you were in this new place.

00:42:36.000 I did.

00:42:36.000 I felt great, man.

00:42:37.000 I felt great.

00:42:38.000 And, you know, going back to talking about that, like, one of my coaches, he told me, he was like, yo, Max, what if, what if before this fight I told you that you're going to set all kinds of striking records?

00:42:49.000 Not against anybody.

00:42:51.000 Against a guy who's...

00:42:53.000 Supposedly have way better boxing than you, who has better boxing than most of the UFC, they're claiming.

00:42:59.000 And you're going to just totally make him look like shit.

00:43:02.000 And I told him, I wouldn't believe you.

00:43:03.000 He's like, well, you just did it.

00:43:05.000 I was like, what?

00:43:05.000 I was like, it was crazy because there's one thing to do it against someone.

00:43:09.000 Like I'd had these numbers or close to these numbers was with Ortega.

00:43:12.000 Well, you had three of the top fights with the most strikes landed ever.

00:43:17.000 Yeah.

00:43:17.000 Yeah, yeah, ever.

00:43:19.000 And then that one, which eclipsed all of them.

00:43:21.000 Yeah, I know.

00:43:22.000 And then there's this graph going around after the fight with all the UFC fights, all kind of dots of certificates.

00:43:29.000 And then there's two dots way far from everything.

00:43:32.000 It's like, yeah, those two dots are Max Holloway's.

00:43:34.000 I was like, oh shit, that's pretty cool.

00:43:36.000 You see that kind of stuff?

00:43:37.000 It's pretty cool.

00:43:38.000 It's not just that.

00:43:39.000 You did it in a fight where it was all stand-up.

00:43:41.000 A lot of the fights with significant strikes landed on the ground.

00:43:44.000 Someone on the ground lying down punching them.

00:43:46.000 And that's what I tell people.

00:43:47.000 And everybody's like, oh, somebody did this with significant strikes.

00:43:50.000 I was like, yeah, let me lie on someone and punch them in the face from the top.

00:43:54.000 I'd love to do that, not worrying about getting hit back.

00:43:57.000 This is a distance strike.

00:43:59.000 I'm just putting myself in danger.

00:44:01.000 It's a 50-50 chance.

00:44:02.000 I like to let them think it's a 50-50 chance they get for hitting me, but I make sure the odds are always on my side.

00:44:09.000 Well, you showed so much movement in that fight and so many angles and footwork and your understanding of distance.

00:44:16.000 The craziest part about it was you said you didn't spar at all for that fight.

00:44:20.000 Not at all.

00:44:20.000 Zero.

00:44:21.000 Tell me about that.

00:44:22.000 I had the second Volkswagen fight, the first Fight Island fight.

00:44:28.000 We couldn't.

00:44:29.000 We could not move.

00:44:31.000 I did my training on Zoom and people were like, you're fucking lying and blah, blah, blah.

00:44:36.000 I was like this and that.

00:44:37.000 I thought you were lying.

00:44:38.000 Yeah, but I couldn't.

00:44:39.000 I'm not going to try and meet with these coaches, with these guys, and get busted.

00:44:44.000 Especially who I am.

00:44:46.000 There was people breaking protocols.

00:44:48.000 There's Hawaii famous people or famous people that was flying into Hawaii that was breaking the mandate of going around or whatever, the COVID protocols.

00:44:57.000 And they was getting arrested.

00:44:58.000 I was like, fuck, I can't be getting arrested before my fight is some crazy shit.

00:45:01.000 So we did that.

00:45:03.000 I didn't spar.

00:45:03.000 I felt great.

00:45:04.000 Now, when you did that, though, how do you do Zoom workouts?

00:45:08.000 How did you organize that?

00:45:09.000 I had mats at home, and then we Zoom, and then one of my coaches, we'd get online and do stuff, and I had a bag at home, and I'd hit the bag and stuff, do drills and this and that, and I had weights and stuff.

00:45:20.000 So no grappling at all?

00:45:21.000 No grappling until fight week.

00:45:23.000 No grappling.

00:45:24.000 No pads.

00:45:26.000 No nothing.

00:45:27.000 Until fight week.

00:45:28.000 Just hitting the bag.

00:45:29.000 Yeah.

00:45:29.000 So what did you do for conditioning?

00:45:31.000 See, I got to lift weights.

00:45:33.000 I went to a friend's house that had weights and stuff.

00:45:35.000 Not friends.

00:45:36.000 My strength and conditioning coach's house.

00:45:38.000 He actually had a little spot for us in his garage.

00:45:42.000 And that's where I would go.

00:45:43.000 Everybody else had kids and stuff.

00:45:46.000 And it was like...

00:45:46.000 Worried, worried.

00:45:47.000 So I was like, you know, I ain't gonna be mad about everything going on.

00:45:50.000 So we figured out a way.

00:45:51.000 It's interesting the way people look at COVID then versus the way they look at it now.

00:45:56.000 Back then, everybody thought we were all gonna die.

00:45:59.000 You know, like everybody was worried like a lot of us were gonna die.

00:46:02.000 And now everybody's like, I don't want to get sick.

00:46:04.000 Yeah.

00:46:04.000 But that's it.

00:46:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:05.000 You just don't want to get sick because I heard it's just like flu-like symptoms, you know?

00:46:09.000 Depends on who it is.

00:46:10.000 You know, Dustin had it and he didn't even know he had it?

00:46:13.000 Oh, for real?

00:46:13.000 Dustin, I tested him yesterday.

00:46:15.000 He was here yesterday.

00:46:16.000 Yeah.

00:46:16.000 He didn't even know he had it.

00:46:17.000 Oh, he had it when he came here?

00:46:19.000 No, he had gotten over it.

00:46:20.000 So he had the antibodies.

00:46:21.000 He tested negative, but he had the antibodies.

00:46:23.000 So after his fight...

00:46:25.000 With Connor, he got COVID and didn't even know it.

00:46:28.000 That's crazy.

00:46:29.000 And then came in here and just found out about it yesterday, that he had the antibodies.

00:46:33.000 They were like, you got the antibodies?

00:46:35.000 You're negative for the disease, but you have the antibodies.

00:46:38.000 He's like, oh.

00:46:38.000 That's crazy.

00:46:39.000 I go, did you even notice it?

00:46:40.000 He goes, no, I never felt it.

00:46:41.000 That's crazy.

00:46:42.000 That's cool.

00:46:42.000 That's awesome.

00:46:43.000 His wife felt a little run down, and he's like, I thought that was jet lag flying from Abu Dhabi.

00:46:48.000 That flight is not fun.

00:46:51.000 I don't think the disease would fuck with you.

00:46:53.000 I think it's a real problem with people that have poor health.

00:46:56.000 That have outlining health issues.

00:46:58.000 That's what it is.

00:46:59.000 And then people who are really old.

00:47:02.000 You can be really old, but if your system is down, it's kind of tough, you know?

00:47:06.000 Here's an example against that, though.

00:47:07.000 Cody Garbrandt.

00:47:08.000 Cody Garbrandt got it, but you know what happened with Cody?

00:47:10.000 He had it, and he kept training hard.

00:47:13.000 So he's training for a fight.

00:47:15.000 He didn't know he had it.

00:47:16.000 He never got tested.

00:47:17.000 So he's like full camp.

00:47:19.000 Two, three days.

00:47:20.000 You know Cody.

00:47:21.000 He trains like a fucking savage.

00:47:22.000 Mad man.

00:47:23.000 And so he's breaking his body down.

00:47:24.000 So he just, like, couldn't recover.

00:47:26.000 And he'd look at his watch, like he had a whoop strap, and he'd look at his whoop strap, and it was like 1% every day.

00:47:31.000 And he was like, what the fuck is going on?

00:47:33.000 Why am I not recovering?

00:47:35.000 And then finally he goes to do Mike Tyson's show.

00:47:37.000 He did Mike Tyson's hotbox, and they tested him there.

00:47:41.000 And that's how he found out he had COVID. So he had COVID for months before he got tested.

00:47:46.000 That's just nuts.

00:47:47.000 I mean...

00:47:48.000 He was training with COVID, just beating himself up.

00:47:51.000 Yeah, because you're beating, like, you can be healthy, like you said, but you're beating yourself down.

00:47:55.000 Yes.

00:47:56.000 You're beating yourself down, your body not recovering, and I'm probably, he's probably not doing a lot of recovery stuff because he's so, you know what I mean, he's at a point in his age where he's like, ah, I just recover.

00:48:05.000 I just so used to do feeling like this, so why are you going to do it, you know?

00:48:08.000 Yeah, it's just interesting that you were able to fight and to train a full camp for a guy like Volkanovski, especially a rematch with no sparring, with no partners, with no nothing.

00:48:21.000 Yeah, we had a lot of mental stuff, mental training.

00:48:26.000 You know, there was a lot of mental things.

00:48:28.000 Like visualization?

00:48:29.000 Yeah, like I got to visualize or even just think of new ways to move or I got to think of ways to set up stuff like I just had more time to myself to think about the actual fight and and whatever and then even with the with the sparring like the second fight for the Qatar we didn't spar but I moved with my partners you know we grappled or we had stand-up we had ideas of this is how he moves so I just got used to the movement and and we keep on on certain things and that's it but was nothing ever like cracking you you know like I would get I mean,

00:48:59.000 you know how it is.

00:48:59.000 You see all these guys, they say, like, oh, I got hurt sparring.

00:49:02.000 I got hurt sparring.

00:49:02.000 That's how all my injuries came.

00:49:03.000 I got hurt from grappling hard or sparring hard.

00:49:06.000 So if you just take that out, you know, like, you get a 200% of yourself.

00:49:10.000 But it comes to a point, like, everybody thinks I'm telling everybody to stop sparring.

00:49:14.000 You know, I'm telling the young kid to stop sparring.

00:49:15.000 I'm not telling the young kid to stop sparring.

00:49:17.000 When I was 16, I had to spar.

00:49:20.000 But it comes a point where you spar enough to the points where everything happens or even fights like I fought injured.

00:49:26.000 I sparred injured.

00:49:27.000 You know, I got hurt.

00:49:29.000 I had to come through stuff.

00:49:30.000 Like you need these times before the show because when it comes in the show...

00:49:35.000 And you get hurt in a fight or something, you panic.

00:49:37.000 You get buzzed in the fight, you panic.

00:49:39.000 But then if you do it in these sparring or these amateur fights, then it's simple.

00:49:44.000 But when you get to that certain point, then you stop sparring and you save your brain.

00:49:49.000 Because like right now...

00:49:51.000 I'd say at least 85% to 87% or even close to 91% of the UFC fighters, you don't have to.

00:49:59.000 If you didn't come to the contender series, I think you don't have to really spar anymore.

00:50:05.000 We're all at a high level already of thinking and doing this.

00:50:09.000 There's other ways that you could do to figure stuff out.

00:50:12.000 That's just what I think.

00:50:14.000 Do you guys do a lot of drills with pads?

00:50:17.000 Drills.

00:50:17.000 Yeah, pills and pads.

00:50:18.000 Even drills on drills.

00:50:21.000 Not really Dutch way, but more towards a fighter.

00:50:26.000 Like a guy who'll come at you with a punch and you'll step to the side and counter.

00:50:29.000 And then we practice it.

00:50:30.000 I'll practice it.

00:50:31.000 We look...

00:50:32.000 We look for...

00:50:33.000 Whenever I watch tape, we look for consistencies.

00:50:36.000 Guys that do consistent movements all the time.

00:50:39.000 And we work for those movements.

00:50:41.000 And then we go, we apply, we ask my partner to go.

00:50:44.000 And now it's much easier to ask someone to replicate this guy for me while we're moving versus to ask someone to replicate somebody when we're sparring hard.

00:50:54.000 Because I would spar hard with them.

00:50:55.000 And then they would go back to their style.

00:50:57.000 Yeah, they'd start getting their ass beat.

00:50:58.000 And they'd be like, fuck, frick this.

00:50:59.000 I'd give him a better look.

00:51:01.000 When I'm training, when I'm doing myself.

00:51:04.000 So I'm going to go to that.

00:51:04.000 But that's not it.

00:51:05.000 Even if you give me a better look as yourself, I'm trying to get ready for this guy.

00:51:10.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:11.000 And a lot of people, that's when ego and stuff come in and so on and so on.

00:51:15.000 I think we figured out a way where it worked for me.

00:51:19.000 And you guys got to see.

00:51:20.000 I felt so good.

00:51:22.000 Everything was good.

00:51:23.000 You were on fire.

00:51:24.000 I felt great.

00:51:26.000 If you don't understand how good Calvin Cater is, you don't understand how good your performance is.

00:51:30.000 Yeah.

00:51:30.000 Yeah, I thought Kevin K was like, and it takes two.

00:51:33.000 And I tell everybody with the numbers and stuff, the reason why I didn't hit these numbers against Ortega is because we went only four rounds.

00:51:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:47.000 Ortega is a different beast too.

00:51:48.000 I think the ref said what he said, and that's what happened in that fight.

00:51:52.000 But Qatar was crazy because one of the rounds, I think the third or fourth round, I hit him.

00:51:58.000 And, uh, he was just gone.

00:52:00.000 Like, I was like, he was gone at the end of the round.

00:52:02.000 I was like, bro, this guy not walking off for the fifth round.

00:52:04.000 There's no way.

00:52:05.000 Am I fucking jumping up and down?

00:52:07.000 Yeah.

00:52:08.000 Like, it was the first round.

00:52:09.000 I was like, I was like, okay then.

00:52:12.000 There's my answer.

00:52:14.000 Would you feel like getting punched some more, my friend?

00:52:16.000 We're gonna do this.

00:52:19.000 No, he's tough as fuck, man, because there were a lot of moments in that fight where he could have quit.

00:52:23.000 Well, he could have.

00:52:23.000 And it's crazy because, like, you see it.

00:52:26.000 You see him get to that moment.

00:52:29.000 Like, I feel it.

00:52:30.000 Like, it's right there.

00:52:30.000 And he just throws, like, a bomb and he lands it on me.

00:52:33.000 I'm like, what the fuck?

00:52:34.000 I'm like, what?

00:52:36.000 I'm like, what?

00:52:36.000 I'm like, come on, man.

00:52:38.000 I hear everything.

00:52:39.000 I could hear his corner yelling at him and stuff and this and that.

00:52:42.000 I'm like, goddammit, Kater.

00:52:44.000 I was like, you know...

00:52:45.000 One time, I was like...

00:52:47.000 What was funny was, one time in a fight, like...

00:52:51.000 He was just fucking throwing and he somehow landed a left hook or overhand on me and he was on the fence.

00:52:56.000 And I was like, bro, the fight was about to get finished.

00:52:59.000 Like, come on, just do it.

00:53:01.000 But then, you know, at the end of the day, it's like, it's not my job.

00:53:03.000 You know, I can't focus on what the ref can do, if his team is going to throw in the top.

00:53:09.000 I just got to focus on him, you know?

00:53:10.000 Do you think they should have stopped that fight at any point in time?

00:53:12.000 I mean, at the end of the day, I'm in Cater shoes.

00:53:17.000 Like, me talking as a fighter?

00:53:18.000 No way.

00:53:19.000 I was like, give me a shot.

00:53:21.000 And this guy is, you know, he's a puncher.

00:53:23.000 He's a puncher puncher.

00:53:24.000 Like, this guy can, like, put someone down, you know?

00:53:26.000 But, you know, it's funny because, like, Teddy Alice said the same thing.

00:53:30.000 But Teddy Alice was, like, telling me when I was on his show, he was like, oh, he was like...

00:53:34.000 But Max, you never got dropped.

00:53:36.000 So, I don't know.

00:53:37.000 The odds of him knocking you out, because he's a punchy puncher, it's still not there.

00:53:41.000 It's still slim.

00:53:42.000 But it is there.

00:53:43.000 At the end of the day, I can't speak on that.

00:53:46.000 Because as a fighter, I'd be like, frick, leave me in there.

00:53:49.000 I want to fight.

00:53:51.000 Even my way with championships, you want to find the best guy, right?

00:53:56.000 And the way I look at it is, if it's the best, it's not.

00:54:00.000 A fight is a fight.

00:54:03.000 Until it's over.

00:54:04.000 And then it's people's perceptions on the fight.

00:54:08.000 So after the five rounds, then it's a fight.

00:54:10.000 But I thought they're supposed to be the two best guys in the world.

00:54:12.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:13.000 My take on it was like, why don't we just have these fights?

00:54:17.000 Yeah, we have the rounds.

00:54:19.000 We just go on to someone wins the fight.

00:54:22.000 Right.

00:54:22.000 Instead, we keep this perception out of it.

00:54:25.000 We just keep going round after five rounds.

00:54:27.000 Guess what?

00:54:28.000 We're going to six.

00:54:29.000 Guess what?

00:54:29.000 We're going to seven.

00:54:30.000 We're going to someone quit.

00:54:31.000 That's how you find the best fighter in the world at whatever it is.

00:54:34.000 Old school Jack Johnson style.

00:54:35.000 Why not?

00:54:36.000 That's the way I think because it's just perception.

00:54:38.000 It's just a perception, right?

00:54:39.000 They'll never do that in America, but they might do it in Asia.

00:54:42.000 Maybe you could talk 1FC. One might be doing some wild stuff like that.

00:54:47.000 They see some wild stuff.

00:54:48.000 You see, they signed the, you know, I'm friends with the Lee's family.

00:54:53.000 And Christian Lee and Angela Lee, they're both champions over there, right?

00:54:57.000 The young sister just fought today.

00:54:59.000 She won.

00:55:00.000 She's 16 years old.

00:55:01.000 Oh, really?

00:55:02.000 She's 16. She's a professor.

00:55:03.000 She fought in 1FC today.

00:55:05.000 She won.

00:55:06.000 Who was on the card today?

00:55:07.000 I have no idea who was on the card.

00:55:09.000 I think so.

00:55:09.000 I had a kickboxing.

00:55:10.000 A kickboxing match might be headlining it.

00:55:12.000 They're doing John Wayne Parr versus Nikki Holtzkin.

00:55:16.000 Oh, that should be a crazy fight, right?

00:55:17.000 Crazy.

00:55:18.000 Because they do crazy things over in one.

00:55:20.000 They'll have stand-up fights.

00:55:21.000 They'll have kickboxing roast fights.

00:55:23.000 With the MMA gloves.

00:55:24.000 And they'll have Muay Thai with the MMA gloves.

00:55:26.000 Yeah.

00:55:27.000 Some crazy shit.

00:55:28.000 Do you think that there's ever going to be an organization that allows you to fight literally to the end?

00:55:34.000 I don't know.

00:55:36.000 How many rounds do you think you could go?

00:55:38.000 Me?

00:55:39.000 I go to whatever round until the guy quit.

00:55:41.000 I don't care.

00:55:42.000 I don't care what round it is.

00:55:44.000 I ain't giving up before you.

00:55:46.000 I know that.

00:55:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:47.000 You better clip my ass and my brain better stop me because as long as I'm conscious, I'm going to the next round and the next round.

00:55:59.000 What is the most amount of rounds you've ever trained?

00:56:02.000 I mean, you can talk to people.

00:56:06.000 I mean, some of us.

00:56:07.000 Actually, you can't because no one's going to talk about it.

00:56:09.000 But I do.

00:56:11.000 When we were getting ready for championship fights, I would go to 12 rounds sometimes.

00:56:19.000 I would spar at least five minutes.

00:56:20.000 And I would spar, and we were supposed to do five to six, and I would spar, and I would be like, nah, I ain't finishing on this fucking round.

00:56:29.000 And then we would go to the center, and I was like, nah, stay the shitty round.

00:56:32.000 Fuck this.

00:56:32.000 We're going some more.

00:56:34.000 And then I think the most I did was around 12 or 13, when I was like, okay, I'm good.

00:56:38.000 That's more than an hour of sparring.

00:56:40.000 13 rounds?

00:56:40.000 That's crazy.

00:56:42.000 I just didn't feel it.

00:56:45.000 I was like, bro, I don't feel it.

00:56:46.000 I'm feeling it.

00:56:47.000 Finally, when I felt it, I was like, okay, I'm good.

00:56:48.000 I'll go home, you know?

00:56:50.000 If people don't understand, that's like an hour of sprinting.

00:56:53.000 Yeah.

00:56:56.000 That's so crazy.

00:56:59.000 Your cardio is one of your biggest weapons, man.

00:57:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:02.000 You put a pace on people.

00:57:04.000 If you look at the numbers landed in fights, and that fight in particular, a big part of that fight, the success in that fight...

00:57:13.000 First of all, you have to have the skill to land all those significant strikes.

00:57:16.000 But it's just the fact that you can land all the significant strikes and not have any breakdown of your technique in the fifth round.

00:57:23.000 You weren't slower.

00:57:25.000 It wasn't more forced or labored.

00:57:27.000 You didn't slow down the pace.

00:57:30.000 It's crazy.

00:57:31.000 I just felt good.

00:57:32.000 And it's funny you bring that up because people always ask me, what is your workout?

00:57:35.000 What is your workout?

00:57:37.000 This and that.

00:57:38.000 I always think...

00:57:40.000 I was like, I could tell you guys my workout, I could bring you guys to the workout, but that ain't it.

00:57:45.000 You know, that ain't it.

00:57:45.000 I was talking to Sean, one of your security guys out there.

00:57:48.000 And you have a bunch of Navy SEALs and military people come all the time.

00:57:52.000 And they talk about this place where you gotta go, where you get pushed to the point of breaking, and then you get pushed past that, you have to go in.

00:58:03.000 And that's a very dark place, you know, like Sean or ex-Navy SEALs and stuff.

00:58:10.000 Those guys got to live there, you know what I mean?

00:58:12.000 Now, thankful for me, I have a passport.

00:58:14.000 So I kind of like, I just kind of show my passport.

00:58:16.000 I'm here for a little bit and then I'm out, you know what I mean?

00:58:19.000 Because those motherfuckers, they crazy crazy, you know what I mean?

00:58:22.000 But my passport is like, yeah, stamp me and stamp my exit sheet.

00:58:25.000 I'm out of here, you know?

00:58:26.000 And that's what it is.

00:58:27.000 You have a passport to crazy land.

00:58:28.000 Yeah, and that's what it is.

00:58:29.000 A lot of people think it's a training thing.

00:58:32.000 You know, I have the best strength and conditioning coach.

00:58:34.000 But it's not the training that we do.

00:58:37.000 It's the mental stuff that he pushed me to.

00:58:39.000 There's so many stuff.

00:58:41.000 I'm going to sound like a baby or a bitch, but I don't want to do this.

00:58:45.000 And he's like, well, guess what?

00:58:46.000 I don't give a shit what you want.

00:58:47.000 You're doing this.

00:58:49.000 And I'm doing it.

00:58:50.000 And I'm dead tired.

00:58:51.000 I'm dying and this and that.

00:58:52.000 And I know workouts.

00:58:54.000 But he pushed me past that limit.

00:58:56.000 And it's every camp.

00:58:57.000 Every camp, I'm like, yeah, going into camp, he's feeling like the man.

00:59:00.000 Like, fuck yeah, he's not going to break me in this one.

00:59:02.000 And he somehow finds me.

00:59:04.000 He finds it and you question yourself like, oh Max, do you want to do this or not?

00:59:08.000 And then you go to a limit.

00:59:10.000 Everybody thinks my cardio is a training thing or this and that, but it's more of a mental thing.

00:59:15.000 It's more of a mental thing, that passport come in handy at certain times.

00:59:21.000 When I can check out, I'm happy that I can check out.

00:59:23.000 So when you've been able to go into that dark place so many times during training, does it get any easier?

00:59:31.000 I mean, I wouldn't say get easier, but you get there.

00:59:36.000 Yeah, you get used to it.

00:59:38.000 It's just different.

00:59:40.000 You can ask my fiancée.

00:59:42.000 She's the best.

00:59:42.000 Shout out to her, Alyssa.

00:59:45.000 I love you.

00:59:45.000 Thank you for everything.

00:59:47.000 She's the one that pulls up with most of my shit, man.

00:59:50.000 There's Facebook Gaming Max Holloway.

00:59:55.000 There's Fighting Max Holloway.

00:59:56.000 There's Training Camp Max Holloway.

00:59:58.000 There's the daddest man on the planet, Max Holloway.

01:00:01.000 There's all these things.

01:00:03.000 And my fiance, man, she does everything for me.

01:00:06.000 I love her.

01:00:08.000 She gets the shit in.

01:00:10.000 When I'm in training camp, I'm a prick.

01:00:13.000 The passport is stamped during that eight weeks.

01:00:17.000 Eight weeks at a time, I'm this guy that you gotta go there.

01:00:21.000 I would say it gets easier because I understand what I need to do and I understand time.

01:00:28.000 Time is so important to me.

01:00:30.000 Not that much people understand what time is.

01:00:34.000 I'm taking away time from my coaches and their family.

01:00:38.000 They have kids.

01:00:40.000 They can be great parents.

01:00:41.000 They have a gym to run.

01:00:43.000 They can do all this, but they make special time for me to train.

01:00:46.000 My strength and conditioning coach, a lot of the times, he pretty much closes the gym for me to train.

01:00:51.000 Maybe I might have one or two people.

01:00:53.000 With me, but it's like he's not even focusing on them.

01:00:56.000 He always focuses on me.

01:00:57.000 I respect these people's time.

01:01:00.000 And that's what it is.

01:01:01.000 Even my fiancé's time.

01:01:03.000 I'm all about time.

01:01:04.000 A lot of people think, Max, you're at this level.

01:01:07.000 You deserve that.

01:01:08.000 Or I get to this.

01:01:09.000 You deserve this.

01:01:10.000 Or, I'm this here, so you should be acting this certain way to me.

01:01:14.000 I never was like that.

01:01:16.000 I always thought, like, you motherfuckers, like, I can never get back.

01:01:19.000 Like, Joe, if I ask you, I know you signed that big Spotify deal.

01:01:22.000 It's like, hey, I want $100 million.

01:01:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:24.000 I can potentially give you $100 million back.

01:01:28.000 But then now I'm taking up your time and we're sitting down, we're talking for three hours.

01:01:32.000 I can never give you three hours back.

01:01:34.000 And people don't understand that.

01:01:36.000 They're like, what the fuck?

01:01:37.000 Every time I tell them, they're like, oh shit.

01:01:39.000 I'm like, yeah, so if you're hitting me up the train or something, don't waste my fucking time when I'm here.

01:01:43.000 Don't fucking be talking story.

01:01:44.000 When we set a time, fucking show up on time.

01:01:48.000 Be ready to go at this time.

01:01:49.000 Not I tell you to here and you're over here and you show up on the time and you're rolling out.

01:01:54.000 No.

01:01:54.000 We want to train at this time.

01:01:55.000 I want to train at this time.

01:01:56.000 Because my coaches got something better to do.

01:01:59.000 I got something better to do.

01:02:00.000 I know I got the fight.

01:02:02.000 Do I want to be training?

01:02:03.000 No.

01:02:03.000 I'd rather be sitting down on top of my fucking good ass chair with my perfect ass posture playing video games.

01:02:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:02:10.000 I'd rather be surfing with my son.

01:02:12.000 Watching my son surf.

01:02:14.000 You know how much times I miss out on times where...

01:02:15.000 Like even this last fight.

01:02:17.000 I was there for his birthday, but I wasn't, if that makes sense.

01:02:20.000 Like a lot of people don't understand.

01:02:22.000 Like I was physically there, but I couldn't eat the cake.

01:02:24.000 I couldn't eat ice cream.

01:02:26.000 I couldn't enjoy people's time.

01:02:28.000 Because I... And the whole COVID shit too, you know?

01:02:31.000 I was like, we couldn't do a bigger one than what it usually is, you know?

01:02:34.000 So as this...

01:02:35.000 If I could tell anybody...

01:02:37.000 How to be successful is like get control of time and get control of your mental.

01:02:41.000 That's how you take your places.

01:02:43.000 Well, both of them are connected, right?

01:02:45.000 Because if you appreciate time, it's your mind that makes you appreciate time because you appreciate the significance of that time training.

01:02:53.000 If you think about how much time you spend like all 100% fully in and committed as opposed to some people like we all know a guy will say I worked out an hour and a half today But if you worked out with him, you'd see a lot of fucking around on the phone, you'd see talking to people, you'd see taking rounds off Yeah.

01:03:13.000 that right yeah and and and there's times and places for it you know like out of camp it's funny because like uh some sometimes like uh professional sport players they come to uh they come and train with us sometimes and then uh some one of them told my coach he's like oh uh he he was with me when i was like not getting ready for a fight and And then he was there when I was getting ready for a fight.

01:03:33.000 And he told my coach, he's like, holy shit.

01:03:35.000 He's like, now I understand why Max is where he's at.

01:03:39.000 Because he don't fucking play around.

01:03:41.000 Because when he first came, I was talking stories to him, this and that, lifting, hitting my weights, doing whatever.

01:03:45.000 They're super gagging.

01:03:46.000 And then he explained that.

01:03:48.000 And then he said, but now he's in fight camp.

01:03:49.000 Motherfucker, come in, talk to nobody, train and leave.

01:03:53.000 Because I don't want to talk to nobody.

01:03:55.000 I got the passport stamped.

01:03:58.000 I'm in this fucking crazy ass place.

01:03:59.000 I don't want to deal with nobody.

01:04:01.000 You guys tell me wrong thing.

01:04:03.000 A fight might break out right there.

01:04:05.000 That's a fight that I'm not going to win because I'm going to lose legally right down the line.

01:04:10.000 So I'm good, you know?

01:04:12.000 Well, that's what makes a champion, right?

01:04:14.000 Full commitment.

01:04:15.000 Yeah, it's a different level of mental commitment.

01:04:19.000 And appreciation of time is a part of that.

01:04:22.000 And also appreciation of the fact that you gotta be willing to push yourself to those dark places.

01:04:27.000 Like, look at Calvin.

01:04:29.000 The moments when you had him against a cage and you were battering him.

01:04:34.000 That's a dark moment for a guy like that.

01:04:36.000 You know that guy wanted to quit.

01:04:37.000 Did not quit.

01:04:38.000 Did you not...

01:04:39.000 Bro, one of the elbows, he did the freaking...

01:04:42.000 I think he brang back the Dougie for a little bit.

01:04:46.000 And he somehow came back from it.

01:04:48.000 I was like, bro...

01:04:49.000 Some of the shots, too.

01:04:50.000 I was picking my shots.

01:04:51.000 There were shots where I was like, soft, soft, soft.

01:04:53.000 I was trying to get a finish, but then when I didn't see nothing happening, I wound up on some shots.

01:04:58.000 And like...

01:04:59.000 I was like, ooh.

01:05:00.000 I was like, bro, this guy, he different, different.

01:05:03.000 He's an animal.

01:05:04.000 That's what I tell everybody.

01:05:05.000 It takes two in there.

01:05:07.000 It does take two in there.

01:05:08.000 That's a big thing.

01:05:10.000 I mean, it also takes a really scary challenge to rise to the occasion.

01:05:15.000 If you just knew you can go in there, like if you're fighting all 10-year-olds, you know, you don't have to train.

01:05:20.000 You just go in there and fuck them up.

01:05:21.000 But you know that you have a real dangerous killer in front of you in Calvin Cater.

01:05:27.000 He's a straight-up killer.

01:05:28.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:28.000 And then, especially with the boxing stuff, you know, so it's just...

01:05:31.000 When I was hearing all that, I was in crazy land on top of the roller coaster being like, woohoo!

01:05:38.000 Here we go again!

01:05:40.000 I was loving it.

01:05:41.000 What was it like when you were in that fifth round when you were talking shit?

01:05:44.000 When you were like, I'm the best boxer in the USA. It was funny because I remember everything.

01:05:49.000 I had him against the cage and I was punching him.

01:05:53.000 And then I heard Dan Hardy say something about numbers or significant strikes landing.

01:05:58.000 So the first thing I yelled to him is, count it up!

01:06:01.000 I told him, count it up because I'm going to keep punching.

01:06:04.000 I keep counting.

01:06:05.000 And then he caught me with a jab.

01:06:07.000 And that just got me pissed off.

01:06:09.000 I was like, Max, you're talking shit and you're letting this guy hit you?

01:06:12.000 That's the time I did the flex.

01:06:14.000 I looked at him and I punched him.

01:06:16.000 And then I heard DC talk.

01:06:19.000 And I know DC's fucking the wannabe daddest man on the planet.

01:06:23.000 You don't want to fight my ass.

01:06:24.000 DC, I hear his voice.

01:06:26.000 And then I'm like, okay.

01:06:28.000 And then I start talking.

01:06:29.000 And then in the corner of my eye, in the fight, I'm looking at them.

01:06:33.000 And in my corner of my eye, I see Calvin start trying to choke punches.

01:06:36.000 So I'm like talking to him the whole time.

01:06:38.000 And then if you see, I do it underneath the duck.

01:06:40.000 And he didn't hit.

01:06:42.000 He didn't land one punch, you know?

01:06:43.000 If you see it in the video, I look right at him.

01:06:45.000 I go, what?

01:06:46.000 Like the kind of what?

01:06:48.000 Like, what the fuck?

01:06:49.000 It just happened.

01:06:50.000 Not what towards him.

01:06:51.000 Just like, what the hell is happening?

01:06:53.000 You chew like five punches and you missed?

01:06:56.000 I wasn't even looking at you.

01:06:57.000 That's what I was thinking, you know?

01:06:59.000 And then I just had to let him know that I'm the best boxer in the UFC. And then I told him, the freshman came to play.

01:07:09.000 That's what I was telling him.

01:07:10.000 I told him, the freshman came to play.

01:07:12.000 I was telling DC too.

01:07:13.000 And then It was funny, you know.

01:07:17.000 You just get in these moments, you know.

01:07:20.000 And all these athletes, they strive for it, you know.

01:07:22.000 Especially this stuff where they talk about that one moment, this and that, and everything slowed down.

01:07:27.000 It just slowed down, you know.

01:07:29.000 And it was great.

01:07:29.000 It was like my point down moment.

01:07:31.000 Ricardo Lamas, you know, all over again.

01:07:33.000 I got to reinate it with doing this slipping.

01:07:35.000 It was one of those moments you just felt untouchable.

01:07:38.000 You give your coroners a heart attack for a little bit, but it felt good.

01:07:44.000 That's the kind of stuff in the history books forever.

01:07:47.000 The concern about a fight like that is, does a guy like Calvin Cater really recover from a fight like that?

01:07:53.000 Is he ever the same again?

01:07:56.000 And that's the thing, you know, that's the thing that I think about all the time.

01:07:59.000 Because, you know, you watch boxing.

01:08:01.000 You've been around for boxing forever.

01:08:03.000 Especially in boxing.

01:08:04.000 I don't know if MMA you can recall, but I'm sure there's boxing fights where you watch, you know, like Miguel Cotto versus, what is that, the guy's name that cheated?

01:08:12.000 Margarito.

01:08:13.000 Margarito.

01:08:13.000 Yeah.

01:08:14.000 Like, you know, that fight changes life.

01:08:16.000 Yep.

01:08:16.000 That fight changes life.

01:08:17.000 He never, ever fought the same.

01:08:19.000 Cotto never fought the same.

01:08:20.000 No matter how much I like to tell myself, like...

01:08:22.000 When he was coming back and he did win some fights, he's like, Koto's back.

01:08:27.000 He got battered in that fight.

01:08:28.000 You know what a real good example is?

01:08:30.000 Julio Cesar Chavez vs.

01:08:31.000 Melchick Taylor.

01:08:32.000 Yeah.

01:08:33.000 Melchick Taylor was the fucking man.

01:08:35.000 Olympic gold medalist, some of the fastest hands I've ever seen in my life.

01:08:38.000 And Chavez just broke him down, broke him down, broke him down, broke him down.

01:08:42.000 And then finally in the last round, stopped him with like five seconds to go on the clock.

01:08:47.000 Richard Steele calls off the fight.

01:08:49.000 Meldrick Taylor is never the same again.

01:08:51.000 He got beaten up in that fight so bad.

01:08:53.000 Julio Cesar Chavez just kept ripping to the body, going up top, ripping to the body, trying to catch him, moving, moving, moving, and finally gets him in the corner.

01:09:01.000 BAM! Drops him with the right hand, and you see Meldrick, and it's accumulation of strikes.

01:09:06.000 It's the blows over the entire course of the fight.

01:09:09.000 Meldrick was never the same again.

01:09:10.000 Yeah, and after that, imagine the training he had to do and this and that.

01:09:14.000 So I just...

01:09:16.000 Cater is bossing strong.

01:09:18.000 They're different over there.

01:09:21.000 I just hope that he comes back strong.

01:09:24.000 This guy got kids.

01:09:25.000 I'm not trying to take away somebody's livelihood.

01:09:29.000 It's the reality of the game that if one person is going to land the most significant strikes ever, that means the other person is absorbing.

01:09:38.000 That's what we said.

01:09:40.000 At the end of the day, I just hope they're smart.

01:09:41.000 I hope...

01:09:43.000 If I was in his shoes, their shoes...

01:09:45.000 I know he's 33. I know time is valuable on their time.

01:09:50.000 But I would do something like what Ortega did.

01:09:53.000 Take care of myself.

01:09:55.000 Take care of...

01:09:57.000 At least a year off or two years.

01:09:59.000 And really rebuild myself.

01:10:00.000 Get back.

01:10:03.000 Rethink certain trainings.

01:10:05.000 And really focus on recovery right now.

01:10:08.000 Like, bro...

01:10:09.000 The thing I tell everybody is I want to be around for my son, for my grandkids, for my great-great-grandkids.

01:10:17.000 And be around.

01:10:18.000 Not just be around and just watching them do stuff.

01:10:21.000 I want to be around and do stuff.

01:10:22.000 You got to take care of your brain, man.

01:10:24.000 You want to get one of them.

01:10:27.000 I just hope they'd be smart about it.

01:10:29.000 And I think they will.

01:10:30.000 I think he's going to be super smart about it.

01:10:32.000 I hope so.

01:10:33.000 They go from there.

01:10:34.000 Because if I was myself, I would take maybe a year off.

01:10:36.000 They gave him like a six month stuff.

01:10:38.000 But I would take him.

01:10:39.000 I would go do all the brain studies that you need to do.

01:10:42.000 And I would check all the boxes, man.

01:10:45.000 And go beyond that.

01:10:47.000 There's a bigger legacy that you have.

01:10:48.000 And that's your Trojan.

01:10:49.000 And you want your child.

01:10:51.000 And you want to be here for them.

01:10:53.000 And you want to be on 100% for them.

01:10:54.000 Yeah, there's an inclination to want to get back in as quick as possible and get a win.

01:11:00.000 Yeah, that's the tough thing because we're fighters.

01:11:03.000 We're freaking gladiators.

01:11:05.000 That's the thing I understand.

01:11:06.000 I get it.

01:11:06.000 I get it, but then, you know what I mean?

01:11:09.000 Like 20 to 27-year-old Max, you tell that to, I get it.

01:11:14.000 But, you know, 28, 29, today, Max, it's like...

01:11:19.000 Nah, you know what I mean?

01:11:20.000 Fuck this.

01:11:21.000 You're getting smarter.

01:11:22.000 Let's try and be smart about this.

01:11:25.000 Look at Brian.

01:11:27.000 Brian came out.

01:11:28.000 Everybody thought he was going to have the hardest fight of his life with a zombie.

01:11:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:33.000 Zombie looked like easy work.

01:11:35.000 He did his thing.

01:11:36.000 He took his time.

01:11:37.000 He took care of all his injuries.

01:11:38.000 He really improved a lot after your fight.

01:11:40.000 In everything.

01:11:40.000 He learned a lot from that fight.

01:11:42.000 I think so.

01:11:43.000 He applied it and he did it.

01:11:45.000 Just look at that.

01:11:47.000 It's just saving yourself.

01:11:49.000 If nobody is going to save yourself, at least make sure you got you.

01:11:53.000 Make sure you got yourself.

01:11:55.000 Yeah, that fight was a crazy fight for Bryan, right?

01:12:01.000 Because that was the first time he'd ever been stopped and he basically had his way and he was beating guys with strikes even though really he was a jiu-jitsu guy.

01:12:10.000 That was his main forte.

01:12:13.000 But you were the first guy to stop him.

01:12:15.000 And him coming back from that fight took a long time.

01:12:19.000 He had a bunch of injuries and stuff too, right?

01:12:20.000 Yeah, that too.

01:12:21.000 But I think so it all played.

01:12:23.000 It all played into his game.

01:12:24.000 Like, thank God it did.

01:12:25.000 Because look what he did.

01:12:26.000 You know, he had more time to focus on different stuff.

01:12:29.000 But even that, like, if you look at Bryan's fights before, like, I think he won, like, fucking, like, three rounds before he fought me.

01:12:36.000 And he had, like, fucking, what?

01:12:37.000 Six fights in the UFC or seven or something or whatever.

01:12:40.000 Eight fights.

01:12:41.000 Three rounds in eight fights.

01:12:42.000 That's fucking crazy, you know?

01:12:43.000 Like, rounds of him actually winning, you know?

01:12:45.000 Like, he's finishing guys with stuff.

01:12:47.000 So that means he's, like, losing rounds, you know?

01:12:48.000 And he goes out there and just smashes...

01:12:52.000 Kareem Zahm in every round in his own game.

01:12:55.000 In his own game too, you know?

01:12:57.000 So I was like, man, this guy did some homework.

01:13:01.000 Yeah, I mean, his jiu-jitsu is off the charts.

01:13:03.000 His jiu-jitsu, Otega's jiu-jitsu is crazy.

01:13:05.000 His guillotine is nuts.

01:13:07.000 I remember when he caught Cub Swanson.

01:13:08.000 He caught Cub Swanson, I think caught him with a darts at the end of the first.

01:13:12.000 And then in the second, he caught him with a guillotine.

01:13:14.000 But that guillotine was nasty.

01:13:16.000 You know, there's levels.

01:13:18.000 There's levels.

01:13:19.000 And that was...

01:13:20.000 That was crazy when...

01:13:21.000 What's his name?

01:13:23.000 Went right back into it.

01:13:24.000 I was like, bro, did you not remember the last five seconds of the first round, bro?

01:13:28.000 I just think he couldn't do anything about it.

01:13:29.000 About it, yeah.

01:13:30.000 And they were standing up and he jumped.

01:13:31.000 Jumped it, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:33.000 Some dudes just have that squeeze.

01:13:35.000 They have that crazy squeeze.

01:13:36.000 I mean, yeah, I mean...

01:13:37.000 Look who's his trainer, you know?

01:13:39.000 The dude dude, you know?

01:13:42.000 Yeah, I mean, he's legit.

01:13:44.000 I mean, lineage from the Gracie Torrance Academy, you know?

01:13:48.000 That's old school, you know?

01:13:51.000 Huron and Henner and all those killers.

01:13:54.000 All the gangsters.

01:13:55.000 Master Pedro, I know.

01:13:57.000 I love whenever Master Pedro comes down to Hawaii or he's just in the same area as us and we meet up and...

01:14:04.000 Bro, some of the stories that they tell is just crazy as shit.

01:14:07.000 Do you train in the gi at all?

01:14:08.000 I train in the gi, yeah.

01:14:09.000 A lot?

01:14:10.000 I train a lot.

01:14:10.000 I train more gi than no gi.

01:14:12.000 Really?

01:14:12.000 I train more gi than MMA, to be honest.

01:14:15.000 No shit.

01:14:15.000 Oh, yeah.

01:14:16.000 How come?

01:14:16.000 I just thought, you know, at a certain level, I feel like I know enough of striking and MMA stuff and certain things that I need to really focus on.

01:14:27.000 This is what I really...

01:14:29.000 Lacking my game and I can get super better, you know, like I have a foundation, my strong foundation, my kickboxing, but now I gotta follow it up.

01:14:36.000 I used to think so that was jujitsu and wrestling, you know, so I do a bunch of gi.

01:14:40.000 I just got my, I actually just got my brown belt right before I came.

01:14:43.000 Alright, man.

01:14:45.000 Congratulations.

01:14:46.000 Thank you.

01:14:47.000 That's awesome.

01:14:47.000 Super exciting.

01:14:48.000 Do you think you'll compete?

01:14:50.000 I don't know.

01:14:51.000 Maybe.

01:14:51.000 My coach said for all his MMA fighters that he don't want none of us competing in Jiu Jitsu.

01:14:58.000 That's when freak accidents happen.

01:14:59.000 Look at Cub Swanson.

01:15:00.000 He hurt his knee, right?

01:15:02.000 He tore his ligament apart.

01:15:04.000 First of all, Jake's heel is so much bigger than him anyway.

01:15:07.000 Jake is like 200 pounds and Cub is fighting at 145.

01:15:11.000 It's crazy for them.

01:15:12.000 But there was quintet, you know, when they had the teams.

01:15:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:14.000 And they would compete against each other.

01:15:15.000 And he got caught in, you know, an ashi position where his leg was.

01:15:20.000 Just tangled.

01:15:21.000 Yeah, tangled and his ACL exploded.

01:15:24.000 I know.

01:15:25.000 I remember he was supposed to come back and fight.

01:15:27.000 And then he got hurt.

01:15:28.000 And he's 36, 37. So that's, you know, it's hard to get an injury.

01:15:35.000 At that age, because you're done.

01:15:38.000 You have a year of recovery, basically, you know?

01:15:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:42.000 So that's what our coach told us.

01:15:44.000 But we see what happens.

01:15:46.000 Maybe after my career is done, my fighting career is done, I do some Jiu-Jitsu.

01:15:49.000 I love to do some Jiu-Jitsu stuff.

01:15:51.000 I love Jiu-Jitsu.

01:15:52.000 I love rolling.

01:15:53.000 Do you have an idea in your mind of when you're going to retire?

01:16:00.000 I mean, if I had my way, it would be like maybe high 30s.

01:16:05.000 Maybe 35, mid-30s actually.

01:16:08.000 Maybe 35, 36. But we see how it goes.

01:16:11.000 If my coaches had their way, they'd probably tell me to retire by like 33 or 34 or something.

01:16:16.000 They want the best for me.

01:16:19.000 They want the best for my son.

01:16:20.000 So they put everything we ever do or everything I ever think of, they always make sure it's like...

01:16:25.000 Or you got to think of Rush.

01:16:26.000 You got Rush and you got future little kids.

01:16:28.000 So you think of what you're doing.

01:16:30.000 So we see what happens though, you know?

01:16:31.000 But if I can find a way, maybe your boy become a professional streamer.

01:16:36.000 Professional gamer, baby.

01:16:37.000 I bet you could do it, man.

01:16:39.000 Maybe we do that.

01:16:41.000 If I can find a way...

01:16:42.000 There's money in it.

01:16:42.000 Yeah, there's a lot of fucking money in it.

01:16:45.000 And a lot of sponsors too.

01:16:46.000 I fucking trip out.

01:16:47.000 I'm like, holy...

01:16:48.000 And then these guys is like, you know, like...

01:16:51.000 I like to be like, especially for MMA fighters now, we gotta be like super representative of the family, you know?

01:16:57.000 Like there's a reason why they put me and Kelvin on the ABC main event and blah blah.

01:17:03.000 Like we was chosen.

01:17:04.000 We was pretty much hand-picked and like Teddy was kind of running this down like, look how you act outside, like this and that.

01:17:09.000 And then you see like these guys that like stream and stuff.

01:17:14.000 They don't give a fuck.

01:17:16.000 They're like...

01:17:17.000 They're fucking wild.

01:17:18.000 They're fucking in crazy land too.

01:17:20.000 They're in their own crazy land.

01:17:21.000 It's a different kind of crazy land.

01:17:22.000 It's crazy.

01:17:23.000 To be at the highest level of the highest level.

01:17:25.000 I mean, it's crazy because every fight to today, even before the Kelvin fight, every single fight...

01:17:32.000 If a fighter tells you that they don't get nervous, slap them in the head because they're lying as shit.

01:17:36.000 Or they didn't train hard enough so they're not nervous.

01:17:39.000 They're like, ah, whatever.

01:17:40.000 I'm just kind of going and doing this shit.

01:17:41.000 But every fight, even the Calvin fight, I'm always in the back.

01:17:44.000 Just thinking like, okay, Holloway, you're on deck.

01:17:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:46.000 10 minutes to you, 10 minutes to walk, whatever, until we come out to walk.

01:17:50.000 And I'm just in there.

01:17:50.000 I'm like, what the fuck?

01:17:52.000 I just start talking to myself.

01:17:53.000 I'm like, what the hell are we doing here, Max?

01:17:55.000 Why are you back here?

01:17:56.000 You told yourself you wasn't going to be back here.

01:17:58.000 What are you doing?

01:17:59.000 Did you say that to yourself?

01:18:01.000 Yeah, I still do it.

01:18:01.000 I talked to myself.

01:18:02.000 I'm like, bro, you keep working at McDonald's.

01:18:05.000 And then I started thinking, I'm like, but then I got to go to fucking Burger University and all that shit to actually get as close as I can to what kind of money I make in UFC. I'm like, fuck this.

01:18:18.000 You know there's a Burger University or something, right?

01:18:20.000 Is there?

01:18:21.000 Yeah, to become a manager or hire a manager or something, you got to go to some type of Burger.

01:18:25.000 I looked into it.

01:18:26.000 Because that's one of my fights.

01:18:27.000 I was thinking of it, you know what I mean?

01:18:28.000 Really?

01:18:29.000 Yeah, you know, just to see what it is, to see what people make.

01:18:32.000 I wasn't going to fucking leave fighting, but it's just crazy.

01:18:35.000 But those things, just know that I'm alive, that know I'm here, and it reminds me, motherfucker, you stayed human.

01:18:42.000 You know?

01:18:42.000 Like, you still got your nerves.

01:18:44.000 I would get nervous if I didn't.

01:18:47.000 Right.

01:18:47.000 Like, if I was before a fight and I was whatever, just rounding around and nothing affected me, then I would start being in my own mind and be like, what the fuck are you doing, Max?

01:18:55.000 You wouldn't feel as good.

01:18:57.000 I wouldn't feel as good.

01:18:58.000 You definitely wouldn't feel as good if you won, right?

01:19:00.000 There's part of the relief of getting over the anxiety.

01:19:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:03.000 There's a fight.

01:19:04.000 There's a lot of little fights before the main fight, you know?

01:19:09.000 And a lot of people, they don't really think of that.

01:19:12.000 We were talking about social media with your boy Sean and John out there.

01:19:16.000 And I was just tripping.

01:19:17.000 I was just like, bro, I was like, yeah, that's right.

01:19:19.000 And we were talking about why people act certain ways.

01:19:23.000 And we were coming to a conclusion.

01:19:26.000 Sean says, yeah, most of the guys that talk shit is men.

01:19:30.000 It's insecure men.

01:19:31.000 I was like, you're right!

01:19:32.000 You're right!

01:19:33.000 Yeah, it's just insecure men of like, like, cause like, you know, there's a time and age when I used to look like, uh, look at someone else and be like, what the hell?

01:19:41.000 They don't, I don't got that things, you know what I mean?

01:19:43.000 This and that.

01:19:44.000 And then I can't, and then I met my jujitsu coach now, my head coach around the czars and, you know, He really always made me say, you know, put yourself in their shoes.

01:19:54.000 I would judge people.

01:19:54.000 I see young kids driving killer cars.

01:19:56.000 I was like, yeah, must be nice that your mom can afford that shit, huh?

01:20:00.000 Rich kid.

01:20:01.000 And then my coach checked me.

01:20:03.000 He was like, yeah, but you don't know if his mom bought him or his parents bought him.

01:20:06.000 What if he bought that himself?

01:20:07.000 What if he worked super hard?

01:20:08.000 I was like...

01:20:09.000 Fuck, you're right.

01:20:10.000 I'm a fucking jackass.

01:20:12.000 Put your foot in their shoes and then talk on them.

01:20:16.000 A lot of people think they know, but they have no idea.

01:20:20.000 Jealousy is an interesting sort of emotion because in one way, it can help you.

01:20:27.000 You see someone who's accomplished great things and you get jealous and it pushes you.

01:20:31.000 But another way, it can poison you because it makes you focus on things the wrong way.

01:20:36.000 You start looking at How far more you got to go versus how far you came, you know?

01:20:46.000 Right, right.

01:20:47.000 And you also look at someone and go, why them?

01:20:51.000 Instead of looking at them and going, how did they do that?

01:20:54.000 And how can I do that?

01:20:55.000 Yeah, and that's the main thing I always tell people.

01:20:58.000 Especially where I'm from, I tell people like, why not you?

01:21:02.000 Why ask them why them?

01:21:05.000 Why not say, why not me?

01:21:06.000 Why can't I do this?

01:21:09.000 Because you can, but it's just...

01:21:11.000 You gotta stamp your passport though.

01:21:13.000 A lot of people don't want to stamp the passport.

01:21:15.000 Stamp your damn passport.

01:21:16.000 Leave your mom at home.

01:21:17.000 Leave your girlfriend at home.

01:21:19.000 Leave whatever it is at home.

01:21:20.000 Stop using that as excuses because I was just telling them, I know a bunch of people that...

01:21:25.000 Where I'm from, kids is talented.

01:21:28.000 I'm not being biased because I'm from there, but we had talent.

01:21:30.000 They're supposed to go to college and do stuff.

01:21:32.000 But then you hear them say, oh, I never go because I can't leave my mom or I never go because my girlfriend don't want me to go.

01:21:40.000 And then, you know, fast forward five, ten years later, seven years later, somebody from their time is super successful and then they're mad at their mom or their girlfriend at the time and be like, see...

01:21:50.000 We could have had that, but this and that.

01:21:52.000 Like, no, motherfucker, don't be a what-if person.

01:21:54.000 That's a what-if guy.

01:21:55.000 That's a guy with jealousy who you use in the wrong way, you know?

01:21:58.000 Or they're like, oh, if I had those opportunities, I would have did it.

01:22:01.000 Motherfucker, you had the same opportunity.

01:22:02.000 You had more.

01:22:03.000 You had more opportunity than me.

01:22:05.000 Don't ever tell me that if you had the same opportunity than me.

01:22:07.000 Because you had it more.

01:22:08.000 You was kind of, you know, some people did.

01:22:11.000 And I used to think, bro, I ain't talented.

01:22:13.000 I ain't whatever.

01:22:14.000 Everything I work for is because...

01:22:16.000 I have my passport to crazy land.

01:22:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:22:18.000 And I was able to figure it out.

01:22:20.000 And there's no denying that people that are as successful as you, there's two things.

01:22:25.000 You took risks and you work hard.

01:22:27.000 And those two things are two things that people don't like to do.

01:22:31.000 They don't like to take risks and they don't like to work hard.

01:22:33.000 Yeah, I know.

01:22:34.000 Even since getting into gaming, ever since gaming was real crazy because of the pandemic.

01:22:41.000 It was crazy before, but even now that I'm in it and I see a lot of gamers, they're like, oh, I see a lot of these gamers that are just starting.

01:22:49.000 They're just starting and they're like, oh, why am I not blowing up like that?

01:22:52.000 Why am I not?

01:22:52.000 I'm like, mother...

01:22:55.000 Try and ask this motherfucker how long he was fucking in this gaming stuff.

01:22:58.000 You'd be surprised, you know?

01:22:59.000 Like, these guys grinding, grinding.

01:23:01.000 Yeah.

01:23:02.000 Eight hours a day, all day, every day, day after day after day after day.

01:23:05.000 I've seen those guys that are streamers that are really successful and they're never offline.

01:23:10.000 Never, ever.

01:23:11.000 And then they have to deal with social media.

01:23:13.000 I was just talking to my agent.

01:23:16.000 I was like, man, I would like to do a study on mental health for gamers or streamers.

01:23:21.000 Because a lot of streamers in this past, during the COVID and stuff, since I've been so into it, a lot of people are committing suicide or passing away.

01:23:29.000 And I was like, bro, I would love to see...

01:23:31.000 What makes it go that way or why they feel like they can't talk to somebody.

01:23:36.000 And he was kind of trying to pick it.

01:23:37.000 I don't know.

01:23:38.000 Maybe because they're in this virtual world.

01:23:40.000 So they think so that since they're already in the virtual world, they cannot take out the part of the social media part in it.

01:23:46.000 And I was like, oh, I don't know.

01:23:48.000 But I'd like to know because social media nowadays is just crazy, bro.

01:23:53.000 It gives fucking iron balls to people that has far from them, who has zero balls.

01:24:01.000 Yeah, well, it allows people to be detached and to say a lot of mean shit, and it really affects young girls.

01:24:08.000 Young girls apparently have it worse than anybody.

01:24:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:11.000 There's a giant uptick in suicides and self-harm for young girls that's directly correlated with the invention of the smartphone.

01:24:19.000 Yeah, because they cannot...

01:24:20.000 The young girls, or even people who is affected from it, they just cannot...

01:24:27.000 Find the difference between that this is the best part of me.

01:24:34.000 Nobody's putting on a fucking shitty ass day.

01:24:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:39.000 The top guys, the people who I admire.

01:24:41.000 Kylie Jenner or Kim Kardashian is not going to fucking tweet.

01:24:44.000 Look at this horrible picture of me with no fucking makeup on.

01:24:47.000 They're putting out the hottest picture of them for a fucking reason.

01:24:50.000 Yeah.

01:24:50.000 For a reason.

01:24:51.000 Because they want your likes.

01:24:52.000 They want this.

01:24:52.000 They want that.

01:24:53.000 But then the people think this is them all day.

01:24:55.000 Right.

01:24:56.000 And then they feel bad about themselves.

01:24:56.000 Yeah.

01:24:56.000 Just because you see them on the show.

01:24:57.000 Yeah.

01:24:58.000 Just because you see them on the show.

01:24:59.000 They all make up.

01:24:59.000 That's not them.

01:25:00.000 It's fake.

01:25:01.000 Well, not only is that.

01:25:02.000 They use applications.

01:25:03.000 And they change the way they look.

01:25:05.000 To make them look.

01:25:05.000 Yeah.

01:25:06.000 They change everything.

01:25:06.000 I mean, a lot of people.

01:25:08.000 I mean, how much...

01:25:09.000 Fucking...

01:25:09.000 They're catfishing.

01:25:10.000 Yep.

01:25:11.000 They're catfishing you.

01:25:12.000 For real.

01:25:12.000 Like, they really catfishing you.

01:25:13.000 You see these guys in...

01:25:15.000 In real life, you see some of these people, they look like the ape ate their face.

01:25:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:20.000 Like, what are you doing?

01:25:21.000 It is crazy how people are so addicted to using filters and so addicted to changing the shape of their waist.

01:25:28.000 They suck their waist in with an app and make their tits look bigger.

01:25:32.000 It's crazy.

01:25:33.000 And then people look at it and they go, why don't I look like that?

01:25:35.000 They look in the mirror and that's reality.

01:25:37.000 Yeah, and that's sad, man.

01:25:39.000 It is sad.

01:25:41.000 Don't be like that.

01:25:42.000 Go outside.

01:25:42.000 Get into fucking trouble.

01:25:43.000 I always tell my son, he plays games or whatever, you gotta be up to date with what's moving, you know, everything, of course.

01:25:50.000 But I tell him, bro, sometimes, bro, just get out of trouble, you know?

01:25:54.000 Make someone's parents call me saying that you got into trouble.

01:25:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:59.000 Like, go freaking break an arm or something.

01:26:01.000 That's what we did when we...

01:26:02.000 I'm sure that's what you did.

01:26:03.000 You was outside with your friends just causing havoc and getting into trouble.

01:26:08.000 So you tell your son to go cause havoc?

01:26:10.000 Sometimes I tell him like, Russ, get out of here.

01:26:14.000 Go fall off a tree or something.

01:26:16.000 Just go have fun.

01:26:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:18.000 Go be a kid for a little bit.

01:26:20.000 Yeah.

01:26:20.000 Does he train?

01:26:22.000 He trained jujitsu here, very little bit.

01:26:24.000 I don't want him to fight.

01:26:26.000 I mean, you know how fighting is.

01:26:27.000 I know how fighting is.

01:26:28.000 I'm in the mecca of it.

01:26:30.000 I don't want him to fight.

01:26:31.000 I always tell him that you become a doctor.

01:26:33.000 You take care of dad.

01:26:34.000 Dad will take care of this part.

01:26:36.000 You take care of us.

01:26:36.000 You take care of everybody after us.

01:26:39.000 We see what happens.

01:26:41.000 Like I said, my fiancé is a professional surfer.

01:26:44.000 He's been going to surfing so much now.

01:26:47.000 He's so in love with surfing.

01:26:49.000 I'm like, gosh...

01:26:50.000 I'd be pretty cool though if he comes a professional surfer.

01:26:53.000 I dig it.

01:26:55.000 You're not scared of sharks?

01:26:56.000 I mean, we live in Hawaii.

01:26:59.000 I'm scared of sharks.

01:27:00.000 Hell yeah, I am.

01:27:01.000 Are you serious?

01:27:01.000 It's fucking water.

01:27:02.000 But I'm not going to be like, Joe Rogan, don't shoot me after breaking an injury in your house.

01:27:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:08.000 The ocean is their house.

01:27:10.000 They want to attack your ass.

01:27:11.000 Guess what?

01:27:11.000 They have every single right to bite you.

01:27:13.000 Because we're in there.

01:27:15.000 I don't know about that.

01:27:16.000 I'm on team people.

01:27:17.000 Look at this shit.

01:27:19.000 I'll go surfing with a fucking spear gun.

01:27:21.000 Oh, perfect.

01:27:23.000 That might be the move, right?

01:27:24.000 Get a spear gun and use it like a balancing, but like, you know when the dudes walk the tightrope, right?

01:27:28.000 They have those balancing poles.

01:27:30.000 Maybe that would be a good way to surf.

01:27:31.000 Maybe you pitch the idea, because they're stand-up surfing, you know, stand-up paddle.

01:27:36.000 Maybe you pitch the idea to Elon of he put something in the paddle where he can, you twist it, you tumble off, it's like a harpoon, you can stab I saw a video today of this shark swimming straight towards this dude.

01:27:46.000 Straight at it?

01:27:46.000 Yep, with a spear gun.

01:27:47.000 And the guy shot it in his mouth.

01:27:48.000 Yeah, I saw it and he was like, look at his hand.

01:27:50.000 That's crazy.

01:27:50.000 But you see how fast that shark got to him?

01:27:53.000 Dude.

01:27:53.000 That's crazy as shit.

01:27:54.000 That thing was moving in for a bite.

01:27:56.000 That's crazy.

01:27:56.000 Yeah.

01:27:57.000 I wonder what kind of shark that was.

01:27:58.000 But it's aggressive as fuck, whatever it was.

01:28:00.000 And he shot it with its mouth wide open.

01:28:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:03.000 And his whole gun went inside.

01:28:04.000 Yeah.

01:28:04.000 Oh my God.

01:28:05.000 That was crazy as shit.

01:28:06.000 Imagine if that dude didn't have a fucking spear gun.

01:28:08.000 That would have been just chomp, chomp, chomp.

01:28:10.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:28:12.000 It's four years old.

01:28:14.000 Show it to us.

01:28:15.000 Did he bite his hand?

01:28:16.000 Watch it.

01:28:17.000 Go from the beginning where it's swimming towards him.

01:28:20.000 Because it starts...

01:28:22.000 I just saw it on SportsCenter.

01:28:23.000 Boom!

01:28:26.000 And he just unloads it.

01:28:28.000 Look how crazy that is.

01:28:30.000 It looks like a video game.

01:28:32.000 It does look like a video game.

01:28:33.000 How wild is that?

01:28:34.000 That's four years old, Jimmy?

01:28:35.000 Yeah.

01:28:36.000 Upload in 2017. Wow.

01:28:38.000 That is nuts.

01:28:40.000 I would've ate that fucking shark for sure.

01:28:43.000 I'd be like, bitch, I'm getting you.

01:28:46.000 You dropped a spear?

01:28:48.000 I'm getting that spear.

01:28:49.000 If I killed that thing, if that thing was trying to kill me, and I killed it, I am 100% eating that thing.

01:28:55.000 I would take all my fucking clothes off and jump in that water and go get that dead shark.

01:28:59.000 Like, that's mine.

01:29:01.000 No, you gotta.

01:29:02.000 I'm eating that thing.

01:29:03.000 Yeah, no, you gotta.

01:29:04.000 You attack me?

01:29:05.000 I'm gonna eat his liver.

01:29:06.000 I'm gonna eat his eyeballs.

01:29:07.000 I'll eat his fucking brain.

01:29:10.000 You don't want to eat his brain.

01:29:11.000 I don't give a fuck.

01:29:12.000 You don't want to be as dumb as a shark.

01:29:14.000 I'm eating everything he's got.

01:29:15.000 I'm gonna eat his dick.

01:29:16.000 I'm gonna eat everything.

01:29:18.000 I'm gonna make shark fin soup.

01:29:20.000 Fuck him.

01:29:21.000 I would 100% eat that thing.

01:29:23.000 That would be my number one goal.

01:29:25.000 After I realize I survived, I'm like, I am eating this motherfucker.

01:29:29.000 I'm going in there.

01:29:30.000 I'm here for it.

01:29:31.000 If you're ever in Hawaii and that happens, I'd be like, this is fucking hitting my line.

01:29:34.000 Dude, I spent days after a bunch of coyotes killed my chickens, I spent days camped out on my balcony with a bow.

01:29:42.000 I set up a chicken.

01:29:43.000 I took one of the chickens that they killed where I scared him off the chicken and I tied it to a pot.

01:29:49.000 It was like a pottery pot, you know?

01:29:51.000 Yeah.

01:29:51.000 And I tied it with a rope and I set it there and I ranged it.

01:29:54.000 It was 25 yards.

01:29:55.000 And then I sat there with my bow dialed in at 25 yards just waiting for a coyote to come in.

01:30:00.000 And I had all these plans.

01:30:02.000 I was gonna kill the coyote and then I was gonna cook his back straps and eat it.

01:30:05.000 And then I was gonna take a shit and then put it in a bag and leave it out there.

01:30:10.000 Like, look, I ate your friend, motherfucker.

01:30:12.000 I had all these plans.

01:30:13.000 He's supposed to defer them and stuff and just hang them up and stuff.

01:30:17.000 I was going to eat them.

01:30:18.000 I was going to eat some of them.

01:30:21.000 I was going to eat his loins, his back straps.

01:30:24.000 I had it all planned out.

01:30:25.000 Did you have it?

01:30:26.000 Nah, motherfuckers.

01:30:27.000 I was there for days.

01:30:28.000 One time, my daughter at the time was only six, and I was ready.

01:30:34.000 She was downstairs, and as the coyote was sneaking over the fence, the coyote was there, she's like, Coyote!

01:30:40.000 The coyote!

01:30:41.000 I'm like, ah.

01:30:43.000 I should have told her not to yell.

01:30:45.000 I should have told her.

01:30:46.000 Damn!

01:30:47.000 She cock-blocked me.

01:30:48.000 Yeah, she did.

01:30:49.000 But I had this whole plan.

01:30:50.000 I was so angry because they killed my chickens.

01:30:52.000 I mean, that sounds like a...

01:30:54.000 I had a whole plan.

01:30:55.000 You're in a fucking crazy land.

01:30:57.000 You stamped it like five times on bike.

01:30:59.000 I was out there for days.

01:31:01.000 Like, hours and hours and hours for days in a row, just waiting.

01:31:04.000 Man, you should have YouTubed that.

01:31:06.000 That would have been fucking great.

01:31:07.000 I think people would probably be pretty mad at me.

01:31:08.000 They get mad if you kill coyotes, which is crazy, because coyotes will eat your baby, by the way.

01:31:13.000 Oh yeah, they will.

01:31:14.000 Those little motherfuckers are monsters.

01:31:15.000 They're crazy.

01:31:16.000 They're just small.

01:31:17.000 They're little small wolves.

01:31:19.000 I mean, they breed with wolves.

01:31:20.000 They're literally wolves.

01:31:22.000 They're just a small version of the wolf family.

01:31:24.000 And they'll eat your kids.

01:31:26.000 They eat your cats.

01:31:27.000 They ate my daughter's dog.

01:31:29.000 My daughter had a puppy.

01:31:30.000 My oldest daughter ate her puppy.

01:31:32.000 They ate 22 of my chickens.

01:31:35.000 Yeah, they don't fuck around, man.

01:31:37.000 I mean, you take for mine.

01:31:39.000 I'm taking your life.

01:31:40.000 I was going to eat them.

01:31:42.000 I had this whole plan.

01:31:45.000 I was just sitting there for hours at a time thinking, like, what am I gonna season them with?

01:31:50.000 How am I gonna cook them?

01:31:52.000 I was gonna eat them.

01:31:53.000 I mean, that's the best.

01:31:54.000 You gotta have a plan.

01:31:55.000 What do you do?

01:31:55.000 Kill it and you gotta be like, then you'd be one of those guys with a dead coyote, like, what the fuck do I do now?

01:31:59.000 Well, you know, you could just throw them over the fence or, you know, take them to the woods and drop them off or something like that and let the rats eat them.

01:32:06.000 That's no fun.

01:32:07.000 I just wanted to let his friends know.

01:32:09.000 Like, hey, bitches.

01:32:12.000 I got your friend and I'm going to get you too.

01:32:15.000 The problem is I live in a neighborhood and I can't have a rifle.

01:32:20.000 A rifle would have been the way to go because then I could have got him even when my daughter saw him.

01:32:24.000 It would have been easy.

01:32:26.000 But it's just obviously not a smart move to be firing off a rifle in a fucking residential neighborhood.

01:32:32.000 Joe Rogan firing fires, killing coyotes, he's arrested.

01:32:36.000 Yeah.

01:32:37.000 It's not a good move.

01:32:38.000 Well, you don't have to worry about it.

01:32:39.000 You don't have any predators on Hawaii, right?

01:32:41.000 Not at all.

01:32:42.000 Not really.

01:32:43.000 I mean, unless, you know, like I said, people got pets of monkeys and shit.

01:32:48.000 You don't know.

01:32:49.000 You don't know.

01:32:49.000 You really don't know.

01:32:50.000 Do they have wild pigs on Oahu?

01:32:52.000 Yeah, we do.

01:32:52.000 We have boars, yeah.

01:32:53.000 We have boars.

01:32:54.000 People hunt.

01:32:54.000 That's what they hunt.

01:32:55.000 And then I think so.

01:32:56.000 That's about it.

01:32:57.000 And then the deer is on Kauai and Maui, I think.

01:33:01.000 Yeah.

01:33:01.000 And lanai.

01:33:02.000 And lanai, yeah.

01:33:03.000 That's a lot of deer.

01:33:04.000 Yeah.

01:33:04.000 It's a beautiful place, man.

01:33:06.000 You know what's interesting about you and your camp there?

01:33:08.000 It's like most champions, most of them, come from big camps.

01:33:13.000 They come from American Top Team or Rufus Sport or TriStar.

01:33:18.000 These gyms that are real established and have...

01:33:23.000 Many, many, many world champions come there and train.

01:33:26.000 You came from a gym that really doesn't, it's not a very big gym, doesn't have a lot of people, and you became one of the best fighters in the world from that gym.

01:33:37.000 I mean, I think, it's not all me, you know, I think it's my training partners, they put in the time and then...

01:33:43.000 Even my coaches, you know, I think every single one of my coaches, I think they lived in crazy land a little bit too.

01:33:50.000 So they kind of understand, you know.

01:33:51.000 Some of them, bro, only one of them, I think only my striking coach is the only guy that actually fought MMA. Like my main coach, he never fought MMA. He wanted to.

01:33:59.000 He trained, he wrestled, he did jiu-jitsu, he did some striking but never did and then...

01:34:04.000 My strength and conditioning coach never did.

01:34:06.000 He actually just started training MMA fighters when I started with him.

01:34:10.000 So it was just all growing pains and we figured it out.

01:34:15.000 I don't know.

01:34:16.000 I just think we all had a little bit of crazy land in us.

01:34:20.000 It all freaking worked and we got put in...

01:34:25.000 In positions where, like, holy shit, we're really here, so let's do it, you know?

01:34:29.000 Like, you know, like, not that much people know, you know, my interim title.

01:34:33.000 I mean, you know, but the only reason why I got him, because DC, we was on a co-main event under DC and Anthony Rommel Johnson.

01:34:40.000 I think DC, that's when DC sneezed and he threw out his back, because he's old shit.

01:34:46.000 DC, I'm sorry, man.

01:34:48.000 I'm sorry he's doing you like this.

01:34:50.000 I love that band.

01:34:52.000 Everybody loves DC. I love DC. But yeah, that's how I got my title fight.

01:34:56.000 After nine straight.

01:34:59.000 I was on a nine straight fight.

01:35:01.000 That was unheard of.

01:35:02.000 People getting nine fight win shakes and not getting a title shot.

01:35:05.000 And then I get an interim title shot because of DC, you know, thank God for DC being old at that time.

01:35:12.000 And we're here, you know what I mean?

01:35:15.000 Like, we just always, like, they all just kind of...

01:35:17.000 And the cool thing, they all kind of just moved to, like...

01:35:20.000 They kind of moved to the beat of my drum, but they kind of knew when to kind of, like, ease me back, you know?

01:35:25.000 Like, they pull me back.

01:35:26.000 Well, that's the thought, is, like...

01:35:28.000 What is the best way to run a camp?

01:35:32.000 Is it have a bunch of killers in a room like the Black Zillions or like American Top Team or a lot of these camps?

01:35:38.000 Or is the best way have one dude that you have a bunch of really intelligent people concentrating on and you get individual attention and that's what you got?

01:35:47.000 Oh yeah, 100%.

01:35:49.000 You know, like, my coaches, like, we started doing all kinds of stuff.

01:35:54.000 Like, when things started falling in place and falling into place, like, everything started going to, like, really focusing on stuff.

01:36:00.000 Like, do this, do that.

01:36:02.000 And then whenever we hit a roadblock with stuff, we always, like, we always, like, oh, what can we add?

01:36:07.000 What can we figure out to get better, to get you better, you know?

01:36:10.000 So I got, like, doctors.

01:36:11.000 I got, like...

01:36:13.000 I got masseuses.

01:36:14.000 I got nutritionists.

01:36:16.000 I got all kind of stuff.

01:36:18.000 When you just have that much in a room of just smart guys, I mean, what is it saying, right?

01:36:24.000 If you surround yourself around five geniuses, you're going to become the sixth, right?

01:36:31.000 Was this cool to see it all fall into place?

01:36:34.000 Yeah, that's the two schools of thought.

01:36:38.000 The two schools of thought is be around a bunch of killers and you become a killer.

01:36:42.000 Or come from a small gym.

01:36:46.000 And there's been other fighters.

01:36:47.000 Like Oliveira is another example.

01:36:48.000 Charles Oliveira.

01:36:50.000 He's not in a big gym.

01:36:52.000 He's not on an American top team or anything like that.

01:36:54.000 Even Mighty Mouse, right?

01:36:55.000 His gym is like...

01:36:56.000 Yeah, but he was with Matt Hume.

01:36:58.000 Matt Hume is a special dude.

01:37:00.000 Matt Hume, first of all, he was a real pioneer of the sport.

01:37:04.000 Yeah, that helped.

01:37:06.000 He fought way back in the day and was a judge in pride and just has a deep, deep understanding of MMA. And he's a really smart guy.

01:37:15.000 Really smart.

01:37:16.000 When you talk to him, that guy understands fighting at a level very few people do.

01:37:21.000 He could develop many more of those kind of world champions if the right athletes came to him and he put the same amount of time into them as he did with Mighty Mouse.

01:37:31.000 For sure.

01:37:32.000 100%.

01:37:32.000 Yeah.

01:37:33.000 It's interesting.

01:37:36.000 It's like some people think you have to spar hard.

01:37:39.000 Yeah.

01:37:40.000 And then you look at what you did and like, well, you don't really.

01:37:43.000 I mean, is there...

01:37:45.000 I mean, MMA is such a growing sport at the point of where, is there really a right way to do anything?

01:37:52.000 No.

01:37:53.000 Not really, you know?

01:37:54.000 Like with NFL and stuff, or NBA or MLB, this is things that worked.

01:38:00.000 And it really didn't have to evolve, you know?

01:38:02.000 And then somebody special, like Steph Curry, come in and doing fast breaks, and then he pulls up on a three.

01:38:09.000 Like, any olden days would have been like, what the?

01:38:11.000 What the fuck are you doing?

01:38:12.000 Take that straight to the hole and then lay it up or dunk it, you know?

01:38:15.000 But he changed that game.

01:38:17.000 But, like, is there anywhere else, like, you could really change in other sports?

01:38:20.000 Not really, you know?

01:38:21.000 Mixed martial arts is the only sport, I think, so that's...

01:38:23.000 It's just constantly evolving.

01:38:25.000 Even, like, you know, even, like, boxing.

01:38:27.000 Boxing is a fine art, but it's like, what can you do a little bit differently, you know?

01:38:31.000 But mixed martial arts is just...

01:38:34.000 It's always learning, you know?

01:38:35.000 Like, it's just always...

01:38:37.000 You start seeing different athletes come into the sport, into the area, and then they start doing different cool shit, you know?

01:38:44.000 Like, you see that one guy in the UFC fucking backflipping, trying to land on people's stomachs and kicking them, you know?

01:38:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:38:51.000 It's crazy as shit.

01:38:52.000 Like, is there any really way to go?

01:38:54.000 No, you know?

01:38:55.000 You just figure it out and whatever works for you, you know?

01:38:59.000 It's just like you, the way your story came up, you know?

01:39:01.000 Is there a way for someone to be a Joe Rogan?

01:39:03.000 Probably not.

01:39:04.000 You just gotta go out there and work your ass off and then just hopefully you're lined up in the perfect positions for certain deals and you're there.

01:39:12.000 That's it.

01:39:12.000 You can't tell someone to help become a Joe Rogan or help become an Elon Musk.

01:39:17.000 These fucking geniuses.

01:39:19.000 There is no way you can tell someone, oh, this is what you do and you're gonna get here.

01:39:23.000 It's just...

01:39:23.000 I think the thing about MMA, too, is that there's so many different approaches to the actual sport in terms of how you fight.

01:39:29.000 Exactly.

01:39:29.000 There's no way you could tell a guy who's a wrestler, like Khabib, that he has to train exactly the same way as a guy like you.

01:39:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:39:38.000 Imagine telling Khabib, like, oh, yeah, you need to start throwing more punches.

01:39:42.000 I do not need to throw punches.

01:39:44.000 I smash you.

01:39:45.000 I smash you.

01:39:46.000 Change your face.

01:39:47.000 Yeah.

01:39:48.000 Send location.

01:39:49.000 You eat your face.

01:39:49.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:50.000 Like, come on.

01:39:51.000 But that's it.

01:39:53.000 It's weird.

01:39:54.000 We are in a weird sport where there is no right way.

01:39:59.000 They are kickboxing champions.

01:40:01.000 They are wrestling champions.

01:40:03.000 They are jujitsu champions.

01:40:05.000 There's all these champions as well.

01:40:07.000 A lot of people say, oh yeah, but wrestling had the most and blah, blah, this and that.

01:40:11.000 But most of the wrestlers are not even wrestling.

01:40:13.000 Right.

01:40:14.000 For the championship, they're using it backwards to strike.

01:40:17.000 You know, like, John Donaldson really uses wrestling to wrestle people.

01:40:20.000 He strikes with you, you know?

01:40:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:40:22.000 It's true.

01:40:23.000 I mean, even with the Khabib, even with the Conor, like, look, like, he uses wrestling a little bit and then...

01:40:28.000 He kind of used it backwards where he landed that big shot because it's a wrestling.

01:40:35.000 I don't think there's no right way, man.

01:40:36.000 You just figure out what works for you.

01:40:38.000 If you think you're going in a room with killers and you're sparring hard every freaking day, go and do it, bro.

01:40:44.000 Who am I to tell you no?

01:40:46.000 You used to have a hard time cutting weight, but it doesn't seem like you have a hard time cutting weight anymore.

01:40:50.000 I mean...

01:40:51.000 What did you do differently?

01:40:52.000 Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say I had a really hard time doing it, but it's always uncomfortable, but it got a little bit easier.

01:40:57.000 I just...

01:40:58.000 Like I said, we just...

01:40:59.000 I got doctors now.

01:41:01.000 We got people who actually, like, focus on that kind of stuff, and they...

01:41:04.000 And then I got my beautiful fiancé that's just keeping Balloon Max away from me forever.

01:41:10.000 Like...

01:41:10.000 I eat so much better now out of camp than I did before.

01:41:14.000 Does she eat healthy?

01:41:15.000 I was the worst.

01:41:16.000 Oh, she eats healthy, yeah, because she's a surfer and they always got to be on, you know, ready to go.

01:41:21.000 So I'm like, I was the worst, man.

01:41:24.000 I don't know.

01:41:24.000 Go pull up my Instagram story.

01:41:26.000 There's like a throwback of me and like...

01:41:28.000 It's unrecognizable.

01:41:30.000 Your boy used to get big in between camps.

01:41:32.000 What's the biggest you ever got?

01:41:34.000 I can't say.

01:41:36.000 I'm going to get harassed by my nutritionist if I tell you.

01:41:39.000 Tell me the truth.

01:41:40.000 Come on.

01:41:40.000 I used to get big.

01:41:42.000 190?

01:41:42.000 I used to get big.

01:41:44.000 195?

01:41:46.000 I never, I really don't know what my weight was because I just knew I was big because I looked like an Oompa Loompa.

01:41:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:53.000 That's why I looked like, or like Violet from Oompa Loompa.

01:41:56.000 You know, that's how I looked.

01:41:57.000 I didn't, I wouldn't step on the scale.

01:41:58.000 The scale wasn't my friends.

01:41:59.000 I was like, fuck this.

01:42:01.000 I just, you just look in the mirror and you're just like, something does not look right, but let's keep going.

01:42:05.000 When you were, the one time where Al Iaquinta wound up fighting Khabib and you were gonna fight Khabib, on last minute notice, how much notice did they give you for that?

01:42:13.000 Six days.

01:42:14.000 Six days?

01:42:14.000 Yeah.

01:42:15.000 It was on April Fools.

01:42:16.000 And it was to try to make 155. Five, yeah.

01:42:19.000 What were you walking around at?

01:42:21.000 I mean, I tell you exactly how far we came.

01:42:25.000 You know what it was?

01:42:26.000 You know what happened?

01:42:27.000 That fight?

01:42:28.000 Why it was so crazy?

01:42:30.000 Is that Lockhart then took me on for the fight.

01:42:33.000 Like, you know, we called him.

01:42:34.000 We had a talk.

01:42:35.000 And then he did a freaking interview.

01:42:38.000 Talking about how this is the biggest cut we're ever going to do in a short amount of time, blah, blah, blah.

01:42:42.000 And then the first thing that happens when I land, I'm fucking meeting with a fucking, not even a UFC doctor, a doctor from New York Commission.

01:42:51.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:42:52.000 And then they tell me every single fucking day, they're going to check up on us.

01:42:56.000 And I was like, holy shit!

01:42:58.000 I was like, what the hell?

01:42:59.000 And I was fine.

01:43:00.000 And I was a little bit bigger than what I usually was.

01:43:04.000 And I was slimming, slimming, slimming.

01:43:05.000 And this is when we just got the New York thing.

01:43:08.000 We just finally is in New York.

01:43:10.000 New York don't even want us there.

01:43:11.000 They're fucking looking for every single possible way to get rid of fucking...

01:43:15.000 MMA over there, you know?

01:43:17.000 And I get there, and then I'm like, bro, I'm like four pounds away from making the weight.

01:43:24.000 It's tough, but I'm going to get there.

01:43:26.000 I know I'm going to get there, you know?

01:43:28.000 And then they come in and they check, and we have like hours left before the weigh-ins do it, you know what I mean?

01:43:34.000 They come in, they check, they looked at me, and they said, you don't look good.

01:43:37.000 You can't do it.

01:43:38.000 That's all that happened.

01:43:39.000 And I walked out.

01:43:40.000 That's so ridiculous.

01:43:41.000 I wasn't fighting.

01:43:42.000 That's so ridiculous.

01:43:43.000 I was like, you look skinny.

01:43:45.000 I was like, I mean, I'm coming down losing weight.

01:43:49.000 I'm pretty sure I'm going to not look like how when I first met you on fucking Monday.

01:43:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:54.000 Like, what is going on?

01:43:57.000 That's so stupid.

01:43:58.000 How frustrating was that?

01:43:59.000 Oh, it was heartbreaking.

01:44:00.000 I had my whole family.

01:44:02.000 I had a couple people that for the first time was going to be at my fight for the first time.

01:44:09.000 We just had it all set up, man.

01:44:11.000 And then just to have that was just...

01:44:14.000 And you're fighting...

01:44:14.000 It's not even that.

01:44:16.000 The family and stuff, they understand it.

01:44:17.000 That's how it goes, but...

01:44:19.000 But the chance of fighting someone at that statue of being, you know, like, and I pride myself on, like, you know, fight anybody, anywhere, anytime, any weight class, and forget that to take away against what he was already considered a number one pound for pound guy in the world before he even had the belt, you know what I mean?

01:44:37.000 Like, he was, like, one of the scariest dudes, they said, and...

01:44:40.000 I just wanted to fight him.

01:44:41.000 It was good.

01:44:42.000 It was super fun.

01:44:43.000 If you go and watch, I think that's the best press conference Khabib ever had was against me and him.

01:44:49.000 It was just so fun.

01:44:50.000 I don't know if you guys watched it, but I got him talking.

01:44:53.000 He's talking back to me.

01:44:55.000 He's showing emotion.

01:44:56.000 I was like, fuck yeah.

01:44:58.000 We're going to fucking do this at the end of the week.

01:44:59.000 I can't wait.

01:45:01.000 It was obvious he respected you, too.

01:45:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:04.000 But he was chirping.

01:45:05.000 Like, he don't chirp.

01:45:06.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:07.000 All he says, I'm going to smash you.

01:45:08.000 You know, that's all he says.

01:45:09.000 And he was talking back to me.

01:45:11.000 He was letting me know how it is over there.

01:45:13.000 And I was like, fuck yeah.

01:45:14.000 You know, like, I was just like, yes.

01:45:16.000 Like, this is going to be a fight, you know.

01:45:18.000 And just to get, it's history, I guess.

01:45:22.000 I guess it was history that got taken away from me.

01:45:24.000 That's why I'm so sad.

01:45:25.000 And now that he's gone, it's like, fuck.

01:45:27.000 Not just that, history by some pencil pushers.

01:45:30.000 Some people don't know jack shit, and they're the ones that tell you you can't make the weight.

01:45:33.000 History, right?

01:45:34.000 I remember hearing that when they said they pulled Max off the weight cut.

01:45:38.000 And I said, who pulled him off the weight cut?

01:45:40.000 And they said one of the people from the Athletic Commission.

01:45:42.000 I said, based on what?

01:45:43.000 And they said they didn't like the way he looked.

01:45:45.000 And I said, what the fuck are you talking about?

01:45:47.000 This is like when I first landed in New York, they were telling me this.

01:45:51.000 And I was like, what are you talking about?

01:45:52.000 I go, who?

01:45:53.000 Who?

01:45:54.000 What person?

01:45:54.000 I mean, like, it was just tough, you know what I mean?

01:45:58.000 It was just tough, man.

01:46:00.000 Everybody looks like shit when they're cutting weight.

01:46:02.000 They could have gone through the whole card and canceled the card.

01:46:05.000 I mean, I used to do it, like, even to today, even when I make 45, people was like, oh my god, you look fucking crazy.

01:46:11.000 I'm like, uh, you think?

01:46:13.000 I'm cutting weight, you know what I mean?

01:46:15.000 Like, okay, thank you, Mr. Obvious, you know?

01:46:18.000 I was like...

01:46:20.000 I'm losing weight.

01:46:21.000 How much do you lose when you make 45?

01:46:23.000 We usually cut around 10. Not that bad.

01:46:26.000 Yeah, not that bad at all.

01:46:27.000 It's just hard because I'm skinny.

01:46:30.000 I'm a freaking skinny.

01:46:31.000 I'm a Samoan and I have fucking humangous-ass bones, I think.

01:46:36.000 Humangous?

01:46:37.000 Bro.

01:46:37.000 It's freaking here, bro.

01:46:39.000 Isn't it funny that it's harder to cut weight when you're skinny?

01:46:42.000 That's one of the things that Lockhart explained to me that I was pretty shocked by, that when you have more muscle, that muscle's mostly water.

01:46:50.000 Those guys like Yoel Romero, they can cut a lot of weight.

01:46:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:46:56.000 When I heard that, I was like, it fucking makes no sense, Lockhart, but whatever.

01:47:01.000 You supposedly got this and know what you're doing, so you can't question it.

01:47:05.000 He knows what he's doing.

01:47:07.000 Yeah, it's cool.

01:47:09.000 When you went up to 55, what were you walking around when you fought Dustin?

01:47:13.000 I was around 180 or so.

01:47:17.000 Not too bad.

01:47:18.000 Maybe 183 at the most.

01:47:21.000 But that fight wasn't really...

01:47:23.000 To put it in perspective, after that fight, I fought two months later.

01:47:30.000 And I fought at 45. You know what I mean?

01:47:33.000 When I fought him, I was on a two-month notice too.

01:47:36.000 So it wasn't like...

01:47:38.000 This is an off-season guy.

01:47:40.000 I was just training, training.

01:47:41.000 Going to 55 was just easier.

01:47:44.000 So I wasn't really a committed guy.

01:47:45.000 I wasn't really thinking of like, oh yeah, I'm going to just focus on 55 so I can put on some weight and put on some muscle and do this and that.

01:47:54.000 It was just one of those things.

01:47:55.000 They came up with offers, I did it, and then two months later, I had to fucking get my ass down to fight Frankie Edgar.

01:48:03.000 And that was one of the best cuts ever.

01:48:05.000 So it was cool.

01:48:06.000 If you had to fight at 55, how much time do you think you would like to give yourself?

01:48:11.000 You would like to gain weight?

01:48:12.000 You would like to do strength training?

01:48:14.000 Yeah, I would like to do a little bit of strength training.

01:48:15.000 I mean, it is what it is.

01:48:16.000 If they call me tomorrow to fight 55, I'll fight them.

01:48:18.000 But at the end of the day, in a perfect world, if I got to have at least one...

01:48:22.000 That fight was two months.

01:48:24.000 I'm in training camp already.

01:48:25.000 You're not doing nothing.

01:48:26.000 You're not getting stronger.

01:48:27.000 You're not getting faster in training camp.

01:48:28.000 You just...

01:48:29.000 You're getting ready for the fight.

01:48:31.000 If we had three months, I think it would have been different.

01:48:33.000 If I had that one extra month to do it, I just think if I had that extra time to actually just be in the gym and actually focus on, oh, let's really just put on muscle.

01:48:44.000 Let's really get fast twitch here or this and that.

01:48:47.000 I think it would have been a little bit more funner.

01:48:51.000 Do you think of fighting at 55 in the future?

01:48:54.000 Do you think you'll wind up doing that?

01:48:55.000 Oh, for sure.

01:48:56.000 I think so.

01:48:57.000 I end up 55. Maybe I committed 55. Maybe even I committed 170. Who knows?

01:49:02.000 Really?

01:49:03.000 Yeah, maybe I get...

01:49:04.000 Maybe 55, we go up there, we see what happens, and then maybe, you know, maybe the thing jumped to 70, the class being the class, you know, so maybe there's a great up there, you know, so...

01:49:15.000 We'll see what happens.

01:49:16.000 I don't put past anything.

01:49:17.000 But if I have time to really fully commit to certain stuff, I know I can do it.

01:49:21.000 We're Polynesians.

01:49:22.000 You see how us Polis love to eat?

01:49:25.000 I'm the smallest Samoan you've probably seen in your life.

01:49:29.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:30.000 I'm probably one of the smallest ones ever.

01:49:32.000 Well, usually they're thick-boned, large people.

01:49:35.000 Large human beings.

01:49:36.000 Yeah, large human beings.

01:49:37.000 They look like gorillas.

01:49:38.000 Yeah.

01:49:38.000 Big hands.

01:49:39.000 Yeah, everything.

01:49:40.000 I'm just the total opposite.

01:49:42.000 I don't know what I got.

01:49:43.000 Small hands.

01:49:44.000 Not really big a thing, you know?

01:49:46.000 But you had a really good point last time we talked.

01:49:49.000 You were saying that because you don't have a lot of fast twitch muscle fiber and you don't have a lot of power, you have crazy endurance.

01:49:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:56.000 And that you either get one or the other.

01:49:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:58.000 Guys like Aldo, who has a lot of power, a lot of speed.

01:50:01.000 Fast twitch.

01:50:02.000 But he wears out.

01:50:03.000 I know.

01:50:04.000 It's just crazy, bro, how they can...

01:50:06.000 It's just amazing.

01:50:08.000 On paper, I was telling Sean them out there, on paper, you put down my stats, no one's going to pick me in a fight.

01:50:16.000 What the fuck is this guy?

01:50:18.000 Freaking next, you know what I mean?

01:50:20.000 But then there's one thing, there's that mental part.

01:50:24.000 And that hard part that you can't measure.

01:50:26.000 You can't measure the mental whatever.

01:50:28.000 No.

01:50:28.000 And that's that crazy land part.

01:50:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:30.000 Like, people don't know what the fuck crazy land is.

01:50:32.000 So, if they see this guy, like, okay, he got a passport to crazy land, but this is his stats.

01:50:37.000 All fucking, you know, out of ten, like threes.

01:50:40.000 And then this is the guy.

01:50:41.000 He's like nine, nine, all nines, but he, maybe a couple of tens in there, but he don't have a passport to crazy land.

01:50:47.000 They'll be like, fuck crazy land.

01:50:48.000 This guy is great.

01:50:49.000 Right.

01:50:49.000 And then, When you go in there, you find out that most of the time, the guys with the passport, the crazy lads, they're crazy.

01:50:56.000 They figure out a way to win.

01:50:58.000 They figure it out.

01:50:59.000 The sum of all your parts doesn't equal a championship fighter.

01:51:05.000 The mind is such an important part of it.

01:51:09.000 I was talking to them outside, back to that conversation.

01:51:12.000 I was telling them, like, whenever I talk to an up-and-comer or my friends or I see people training and they're training hard or doing this and that, and I'm just like, bro, this is crazy.

01:51:22.000 Like, most of us in the UFC already, right?

01:51:24.000 I was like, guys, there comes a point where, like, you're pretty much good.

01:51:28.000 Like, everything can get you by.

01:51:29.000 You got here already.

01:51:31.000 But now the only thing different that's going to get you to the top 15 is mental.

01:51:36.000 And then from 15 to 10, the only difference between those guys is mental.

01:51:40.000 And then from 10 to 5, same thing.

01:51:43.000 And then from champion and everybody else, it's a mental.

01:51:46.000 It's a mentality thing.

01:51:47.000 It's just something to do with IQ and something.

01:51:50.000 That's the only thing that changes.

01:51:51.000 We're all good.

01:51:52.000 We're all at the mecca of fighting.

01:51:54.000 The UFC is where everybody wants to be.

01:51:56.000 But what makes me a champion and you not?

01:52:00.000 Something gotta be it.

01:52:01.000 You can live more ways than me though.

01:52:02.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:03.000 If we're the same weight class.

01:52:05.000 You're stronger than me.

01:52:06.000 You're faster than me.

01:52:06.000 What is the difference?

01:52:08.000 What is the difference?

01:52:08.000 I believe it's that passport crazy line.

01:52:12.000 It's that mental.

01:52:13.000 It's that thing like I'm willing to do something that I don't know if you even thought of doing it or if it's presented with you that if you're going to take that chance.

01:52:22.000 And it's that but it's also you're willing to put the intensity into your training camps and the focus and dedication Into your craft.

01:52:31.000 Yeah.

01:52:31.000 That maybe some people aren't.

01:52:32.000 And maybe sometimes people that are really talented, things come a little too easy for them and they don't want to work as hard.

01:52:38.000 Exactly.

01:52:39.000 And that's the downfall with a lot of these guys, you know?

01:52:42.000 A lot of these guys is like, they're just like all-stars in their town and playing regular sports, you know what I mean?

01:52:48.000 You see it all the time.

01:52:49.000 There's all-stars in the towns, whatever, and then they go to the other stuff, and then they're just another guy.

01:52:55.000 There's somebody that's faster, stronger, and better than you.

01:52:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:58.000 And then when they get there, instead of pushing through, they never had to.

01:53:02.000 And then there's that kid that was like just always just kind of made the team.

01:53:06.000 And then he's there with you, and he sees that, and he sees you break, and that pushes him.

01:53:11.000 And now he's with those guys who's freak athletes, but they all have the mind.

01:53:17.000 But this guy don't have the freak athletes, but he get the mind.

01:53:19.000 And he's hanging with them because he's figuring out a fucking way to do it, you know?

01:53:22.000 Yeah, some of the toughest guys are younger brothers of tough guys.

01:53:26.000 Oh, yes.

01:53:27.000 Oh, because you got to take the shit.

01:53:29.000 You got to take the shit.

01:53:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:32.000 And they become durable.

01:53:34.000 Yeah, it was kind of backwards growing up with my brother.

01:53:38.000 I'm the middle child, but my brother is four years older than me.

01:53:41.000 My older brother and my younger brother is one year younger than me.

01:53:45.000 So it's kind of backwards.

01:53:48.000 My older brother wasn't really tough on us, but...

01:53:50.000 It was a point where my younger brother was such a spoiled little prick that he would always get me into trouble from my grandma and grandpa.

01:53:59.000 He would do something and he'd cry and be like, no, I did it so I would get to Lickens.

01:54:04.000 I think that's where my mentality came by.

01:54:06.000 I was always like, motherfucking young brother.

01:54:08.000 So, like, even when I fight with my younger brother, he would beat me because, like, I was smaller than him.

01:54:13.000 Like, he'd beat me up growing up.

01:54:14.000 And the funny thing is, is, like, I told you last time, is that every time when my mom, when I started getting into kickboxing and my mom was telling people, like, hey, let's go.

01:54:24.000 My son is going to go watch fight.

01:54:26.000 He's going to go fight this week.

01:54:27.000 He wants to buy tickets.

01:54:28.000 They'll be like, oh, cool.

01:54:29.000 Who is Clem fighting?

01:54:30.000 And then they'll be like, oh, no, Clem's not fighting.

01:54:32.000 Max is.

01:54:32.000 And they'll be like, what the fuck?

01:54:34.000 Like, Max don't fight?

01:54:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:36.000 Like, what the hell?

01:54:37.000 Why is he fighting?

01:54:39.000 It doesn't seem funny, you know, but it comes because I just freaking...

01:54:42.000 I got freaking so abused and stuff.

01:54:44.000 I never thought of that.

01:54:45.000 You just pointed it out to me.

01:54:46.000 Like, my grandma and grandpa would give me...

01:54:47.000 Like, this guy, he would get away with murder and I always got it.

01:54:51.000 And then whenever he'd do something stupid...

01:54:53.000 Outside we play with our friends, there's a place on our street where we couldn't pass.

01:54:58.000 And my grandpa would just be sitting in the gazebo and catch my brother coming back and being like...

01:55:02.000 Because he would go in the fucking main road.

01:55:04.000 It's so stupid.

01:55:05.000 There's a dirt road.

01:55:05.000 I was like, bro, take that dirt road.

01:55:06.000 Grandpa's always up there drinking his beer.

01:55:08.000 Take this damn dirt road so we don't get into trouble.

01:55:11.000 He's like, no, no, no.

01:55:12.000 Grandpa's not going to be there.

01:55:13.000 But I know after all these years, I put it together.

01:55:15.000 I'm going to fucking winter road because he wanted to see me get Lickens.

01:55:18.000 So at the time, he's like, Max made me go with them.

01:55:22.000 I didn't want to go.

01:55:23.000 And I'd end up getting lickings.

01:55:25.000 It'd wrap me up.

01:55:25.000 I was like, bro, you told me go.

01:55:27.000 What are you telling about?

01:55:29.000 The tables is turned.

01:55:31.000 You're a little asshole, bro.

01:55:32.000 What is he like now?

01:55:34.000 He's crazy.

01:55:38.000 We had to deal with some stuff.

01:55:41.000 My family and stuff, we come from drugs and whatever.

01:55:43.000 My mom and stuff.

01:55:44.000 Except for my grandma and grandpa.

01:55:45.000 It's great for them.

01:55:45.000 But he got into his trouble and stuff.

01:55:47.000 But he's recently been out.

01:55:48.000 He's been clean.

01:55:49.000 He's been doing his thing.

01:55:51.000 I'm proud of him.

01:55:52.000 I'm happy of him.

01:55:53.000 I always tell him too.

01:55:55.000 It's not how you start the race.

01:55:57.000 It's how you finish, bro.

01:55:58.000 Finish strong, bro.

01:55:59.000 You got kids.

01:55:59.000 You got focus now.

01:56:01.000 I know you think you fucked up, but you never let nobody down yet.

01:56:04.000 You got time.

01:56:05.000 Just make everything right again.

01:56:07.000 Try to get as close as you can to make everything right again.

01:56:10.000 That's great advice that you still have time.

01:56:13.000 Always.

01:56:13.000 You're alive.

01:56:14.000 Just keep moving and do better now.

01:56:17.000 Make your mistakes.

01:56:18.000 Yeah, a lot of people, they make these mistakes, and then it just lives with them.

01:56:22.000 You know, you just see people burn.

01:56:23.000 I mean, you know, I talked to you about it a little bit off the stuff, texted you a little bit about, like, you know, with lines and stuff, and it's just people just, they just hold on to it because they just think so that they can't come back, or they think that, like, they burned someone so bad that there's no coming back from it, or they hurt themselves so bad, but there always is, you know?

01:56:44.000 And people are going to forgive.

01:56:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:56:47.000 I'm not going to forgive you right away.

01:56:49.000 But if you earn it, you're going to do it.

01:56:52.000 Show me that you changed.

01:56:54.000 And show the people you changed.

01:56:55.000 But a lot of people in this world, they just cop out.

01:56:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:56:58.000 They're like, you know what?

01:56:59.000 They're not going to forgive me anyway.

01:57:01.000 They start like, look, I said sorry.

01:57:03.000 It's like, motherfucker, no.

01:57:05.000 One sorry is not enough.

01:57:07.000 Prove to me.

01:57:08.000 That you're going to change and do it and be a greater human being in this world, you know?

01:57:13.000 It's an important lesson that you can't let your past define you.

01:57:16.000 Because if you do, you're stuck.

01:57:18.000 You're stuck with your earliest mistakes.

01:57:19.000 And you see that with some people.

01:57:21.000 They fuck up in high school and then they're that guy forever.

01:57:24.000 Forever.

01:57:25.000 I mean, you see it not even on the negative side.

01:57:28.000 You see it on the positive side.

01:57:28.000 You see somebody do something great and then they're on that fucking forever.

01:57:32.000 Like, motherfucker!

01:57:33.000 Like, no!

01:57:34.000 It comes too.

01:57:36.000 And that's what the bad people don't see.

01:57:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:40.000 Like, the people who fuck up.

01:57:41.000 They don't see that.

01:57:41.000 They don't see that good people do that too.

01:57:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:44.000 Like, bro, we're all the same.

01:57:47.000 You're just walking a different path.

01:57:49.000 And you can get on the right path.

01:57:51.000 You just gotta focus.

01:57:52.000 Find fucking help.

01:57:54.000 Ask for help.

01:57:55.000 And sometimes people do something really good and then they're scared to take any chances because they think that they did this one good thing.

01:58:02.000 And they're not going to do it again.

01:58:03.000 Yeah.

01:58:04.000 And that's the thing.

01:58:05.000 Like, no, you're going to do it, bro.

01:58:07.000 I mean, I had some troubled times and this and that and talking to my coach.

01:58:13.000 He always told me this great piece of information.

01:58:17.000 He always said...

01:58:18.000 Max, you did it once, you can do it again.

01:58:21.000 If you did something great in one thing, you can probably do it again in another thing.

01:58:28.000 Like, all the time.

01:58:30.000 I started from ground zero.

01:58:32.000 You can take everything.

01:58:34.000 You can strip me back down to fucking ground zero.

01:58:36.000 Guess what?

01:58:36.000 I'm going to build myself right back up.

01:58:38.000 Everybody keeps saying...

01:58:40.000 This and that about my last fights and well, what about that?

01:58:43.000 What about this?

01:58:43.000 I'm like, bro like I ain't scared of hard work and like let the man talk let him say you can do what they do, but I ain't scared it took me fucking Nine fight win streak to get an interim title And I mean shout out to my man DC being old for that again like I said and then other things to happen like I ain't scared of working hard, you know like don't be scared and you and And people got to understand that you're great.

01:59:07.000 Don't let that one thing define you.

01:59:09.000 You should always be looking, how do I get better?

01:59:14.000 Imagine if you just was like, oh, Jerry, I'm comfortable just talking to MMA fighters.

01:59:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:19.000 Then you wouldn't fucking talk to cool fucking people like Elon Musk and shit.

01:59:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:23.000 Imagine if you put a...

01:59:24.000 People, I guess, will cap themselves.

01:59:27.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:29.000 They put a...

01:59:30.000 What is that?

01:59:32.000 Limitations.

01:59:32.000 Yeah, they put limitations on themselves, you know what I mean?

01:59:35.000 And it's just crazy to me, you know?

01:59:38.000 It's just why.

01:59:39.000 But that's what makes you a champion.

01:59:40.000 Yeah.

01:59:41.000 I mean, a lot of people should think like that, though.

01:59:45.000 That's the hard thing.

01:59:46.000 It's funny, because I'm talking to you, and you remind me, oh, that's why you're you.

01:59:49.000 Even when I tell my coaches, I tell them about something, I'm like, oh, I see somebody doing something.

01:59:53.000 I'm like, what are they thinking?

01:59:54.000 What are they thinking like that?

01:59:55.000 And then, like...

01:59:56.000 Well, most people don't think like you, Max.

01:59:58.000 I'm like, oh shit.

01:59:59.000 But what made you start thinking the way you think?

02:00:01.000 Do you know?

02:00:02.000 I mean, just...

02:00:03.000 I gotta shout out to my grandpa.

02:00:07.000 I mean, my grandpa, he never ever...

02:00:10.000 He probably kicked my ass if he saw what I was doing for a living today.

02:00:13.000 Really?

02:00:13.000 Yeah, he didn't want us to play any sports.

02:00:15.000 He wanted us to be like hardworking men, you know?

02:00:18.000 So he instilled hard work in us, you know?

02:00:21.000 His thing was like, look, you work hard, you do hard, you finish school, maybe you go to college, you go find a really great job, you get your house, you own your house, you get a wife, you get kids, and that's what you do.

02:00:35.000 He just had it all planned out.

02:00:36.000 He didn't like us playing sports growing up.

02:00:39.000 He was alright with baseball, but any contact sports is what I mean.

02:00:42.000 He was totally against football and stuff, like hitting heads and stuff.

02:00:46.000 He's like, what the fuck are you doing now?

02:00:47.000 It's not going to help...

02:00:48.000 Like, he's one of those guys that's not going to help you later on, you know?

02:00:51.000 Like, he must be laughing at me.

02:00:51.000 Don't you think he'd be proud of you, though?

02:00:52.000 I know.

02:00:53.000 He probably still kicked my ass.

02:00:55.000 I didn't say he wouldn't be proud.

02:00:56.000 He still kicked my ass, though.

02:00:57.000 You know what I mean?

02:00:58.000 He'd be proud of shit, and he'd be proud that he kicked my ass after that, you know?

02:01:01.000 I never wanted to say he wouldn't be proud, but he kicked my ass.

02:01:04.000 But you think that is what instilled this hard work ethic?

02:01:08.000 Him.

02:01:08.000 It was him.

02:01:09.000 And then growing up, I remember, I think I told you this the first time we talked was...

02:01:15.000 When I told my grandma when I was 9th grade, I was like, grandma, I'm going to be a professional baseball player.

02:01:21.000 And she's like, oh, awesome.

02:01:22.000 And I was like, yeah, isn't it great?

02:01:24.000 That was my goal for stuff.

02:01:25.000 And she was like, yeah, but how are you going to pay for college?

02:01:28.000 Because I don't have no money to put you to college.

02:01:31.000 And then I was like, she was like, I don't know.

02:01:35.000 And she's like, you need a scholarship.

02:01:36.000 So she was like...

02:01:38.000 Go get a scholarship, do good.

02:01:39.000 So I started doing good in school.

02:01:40.000 And then I started watching, like, people older than me, like, where I'm from, the Waianae, where I'm from, and, like, the other athletes, and then all the guys who's gifted and good, just kind of, like, just kind of being, like, whatever about it, this and that, or, like, they get in college offers from people, and they're like, ah, you know, I'm probably not going to go because of my girlfriend or my mom.

02:01:59.000 And I always thought, like...

02:02:01.000 Fuck that.

02:02:02.000 That was my mind.

02:02:03.000 I was like, no way.

02:02:04.000 I ain't never letting nobody tell me I can't do it.

02:02:08.000 Also, the negative part, I see people tell them, or their parents, or their uncles and stuff, be like, oh, who do you think you are?

02:02:15.000 Do you think you can go and do that?

02:02:17.000 What's the difference between me and you?

02:02:19.000 I was where you was.

02:02:20.000 You know?

02:02:21.000 And that kind of negativity.

02:02:22.000 And that always fired me.

02:02:23.000 I always thought...

02:02:24.000 Because I wasn't the guy.

02:02:25.000 Most of these guys I'm talking about is that stat sheet of 9-9-9-10s, whatever.

02:02:30.000 And they all had it.

02:02:32.000 And I used to be like, fuck, if I could just run faster.

02:02:34.000 If I could just jump higher.

02:02:35.000 And I always tell myself, when I get my opportunity, I'm not going to shake it.

02:02:39.000 I'm going to use it and take it.

02:02:41.000 And that's what it was.

02:02:42.000 I saw even close family members, like one of my cousins.

02:02:46.000 I fucking love him.

02:02:47.000 He's the one that pushed me to be great all the time.

02:02:51.000 The reason why I went to high school baseball is because he was playing high school baseball.

02:02:53.000 The reason why I was second base, he was second base.

02:02:56.000 I just pushed him.

02:02:58.000 He always pushed me to be great.

02:03:01.000 This showed me from a different side.

02:03:05.000 He put his hands in some people and they told him the wrong information and he lost his shot.

02:03:11.000 I look at that as a different motivation.

02:03:13.000 I'm like, holy shit!

02:03:14.000 Like, fuck, it's not only working hard and stuff.

02:03:16.000 It's fucking who you talk to and what you do and the right steps you make.

02:03:19.000 Because my cousin, when I did it, then he got the wrong information.

02:03:21.000 He wasn't able to do what he was supposed to do, you know?

02:03:24.000 Because of that.

02:03:25.000 And it was just a bunch of shit just growing up from high school time.

02:03:28.000 Just watching guys just lose their opportunity.

02:03:31.000 And I was like...

02:03:33.000 I was just heartbroken.

02:03:34.000 I was like, bro, there's no fucking...

02:03:36.000 I was like, there's no way, like...

02:03:38.000 Fuck, I want to, like...

02:03:40.000 Not only make it out of Waianae, but I want to fucking move back to Waianae, live here, and show guys and be like, bro, if I can do it, if Max Holloway fucking tree down the line shot, stat Max Holloway out of 10 can make it, you can make it.

02:03:55.000 Why not you?

02:03:56.000 Because if I told you I was the best fighter out of my hood...

02:04:01.000 I would fucking be lying to you.

02:04:02.000 There's fucking great guys.

02:04:03.000 There's great guys that was coming to me, coming up.

02:04:05.000 But the difference between me and them was I made a decision that they all thought was fucking crazy.

02:04:11.000 Like, you know, I knew I needed jujitsu.

02:04:13.000 And I told them, I'm going over here for jujitsu.

02:04:15.000 This is what I need.

02:04:16.000 This is what I know is going to keep us in.

02:04:18.000 This is what I know is going to take me to the next level.

02:04:20.000 And a bunch of them said, yeah, you're fucking crazy.

02:04:23.000 And this and that.

02:04:23.000 Like, yeah, right.

02:04:24.000 You're fucking unloyal.

02:04:25.000 You're leaving our team.

02:04:27.000 Wow, where your loyalty is and all this bullshit.

02:04:31.000 Seven years later, UFC champ, this and that.

02:04:34.000 All of them asking.

02:04:35.000 All of them telling me now, oh, I wish I went with you when we went.

02:04:39.000 And I always told myself, fuck that.

02:04:42.000 I'm not going to ever be that guy.

02:04:43.000 Look in the mirror and be like...

02:04:45.000 What if I did this?

02:04:46.000 Or what if I did that?

02:04:47.000 Or what if, you know?

02:04:49.000 Because I saw uncles.

02:04:51.000 I saw guys, like, fucking state champs of our fucking football team, whatever.

02:04:56.000 They worked their fucking job from Monday to Friday.

02:05:00.000 Friday night, they all sitting around drinking beers, talking to each other, being like, Oh, you met me in high school?

02:05:06.000 Yeah, so killer.

02:05:08.000 Yeah, Frank, you remember what we did?

02:05:09.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:09.000 I always told myself, fuck that.

02:05:11.000 I don't give a shit what the fuck I did in high school.

02:05:14.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:15.000 I go back to tell the kids.

02:05:17.000 I go back to tell the kids.

02:05:18.000 It's cool.

02:05:19.000 It's cool being Y Night Famous.

02:05:20.000 It's cool.

02:05:21.000 It's cool.

02:05:21.000 Actually, I'm cool.

02:05:22.000 Actually, state champ, whatever, anti, whatever it is.

02:05:25.000 It's cool being Y Night Famous.

02:05:27.000 But we can go to Sweden.

02:05:28.000 I have fans over there.

02:05:30.000 We go to fucking Las Vegas.

02:05:31.000 People know me.

02:05:33.000 I was fucking rocking on the side of the road in LA. People stopped to take my picture.

02:05:36.000 What the fuck is more cool?

02:05:38.000 Getting a picture of this.

02:05:40.000 Have something to hit you, why not?

02:05:41.000 Or fucking in all the world, you know?

02:05:43.000 And that's what I told him, you know?

02:05:45.000 And then I tell him, why not you?

02:05:47.000 Why not you?

02:05:48.000 And then, because it's just so negativity, you know?

02:05:51.000 We just come from a negative place.

02:05:52.000 It's not even people hitting down, why not?

02:05:55.000 It really be your own people.

02:05:57.000 You start hearing stuff, and it hurts your feelings, you know?

02:06:00.000 But at the end of the day, I just wanted to show, like, fuck, we can do it, you know?

02:06:02.000 I came from...

02:06:03.000 It's not...

02:06:05.000 The one thing that I told Teddy to them is, like, it's not...

02:06:08.000 It's not where you train.

02:06:09.000 It's not where you get your education, not where it is.

02:06:12.000 It helps.

02:06:13.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:06:14.000 But it's how you do it.

02:06:15.000 It's how you apply yourself in certain situations.

02:06:19.000 It's how you're going to go after certain things.

02:06:21.000 And that was the thing that made me want to be great.

02:06:25.000 I just saw so much people let go of their talents and use it or make other people do mistakes and then they start blaming people.

02:06:32.000 And I always wanted to tell myself, I was like, fuck, no, I ain't blaming nobody.

02:06:37.000 If I screw up, I'm going to be able to look in the mirror and screw up.

02:06:40.000 That's the way I attack my fights, you know?

02:06:42.000 If I go out there, I lose.

02:06:44.000 At least I can look myself in the mirror and say, you gave it all you got, Max.

02:06:48.000 That's all you can do.

02:06:48.000 That guy beat the best Max Holiday was that night.

02:06:51.000 But I want to see that motherfucker try again.

02:06:53.000 Because I'm coming back.

02:06:54.000 You know what I mean?

02:06:55.000 It's interesting how some of the best lessons you learn from other people's mistakes.

02:06:59.000 Oh, yeah.

02:07:00.000 And ain't that the greatest?

02:07:02.000 And it's funny because there's a bunch of stuff that I do try to help some people coming up and I tell them, look, let's do this or try this or try that.

02:07:12.000 And they don't try it.

02:07:14.000 And I'm like, motherfucker, I did it.

02:07:16.000 I'm going to what you just went through.

02:07:19.000 I'm going to it for walk for walk.

02:07:22.000 And I went do it.

02:07:24.000 And I'm telling you, I'm the person that did it.

02:07:26.000 I'm telling you, like, try this.

02:07:27.000 And then they don't do it.

02:07:28.000 And I'm like, oh, man.

02:07:29.000 And then I think back.

02:07:31.000 I'm like, fuck.

02:07:33.000 Maybe you gotta let them go through that because I needed that.

02:07:36.000 Like, when I go back into myself and I think, like, frick, yeah, why are you the savior?

02:07:40.000 Like, let them do that.

02:07:41.000 If they don't want to listen, they don't want to listen.

02:07:42.000 You know, you can take the horse to the well, but you can't force them to drink.

02:07:46.000 You know what I mean?

02:07:47.000 And if they want to go that hard way, cool.

02:07:49.000 Look, I'm over here.

02:07:50.000 I'm telling you, fucking, this is Mario Kart land.

02:07:53.000 Jump in this fucking pipe.

02:07:54.000 You come up another one.

02:07:55.000 It's right to the finish line, bro.

02:07:56.000 Or you can walk past it and you gotta fucking go through everything and a bunch of mushrooms and turtles attacking your ass.

02:08:02.000 Some people have to learn from their own mistake, and that's the only way.

02:08:04.000 Because they see a guy like you, and they want to believe that they're smarter than you.

02:08:08.000 Oh, yeah.

02:08:11.000 That's funny when you say that.

02:08:12.000 Yeah, that's funny.

02:08:13.000 Because then they're like, who the fuck are you?

02:08:14.000 Yeah, they want to believe.

02:08:16.000 I don't have to listen to him.

02:08:17.000 I can do it this way.

02:08:18.000 I can do it that way.

02:08:20.000 You know, it's interesting, too, that when you're saying that your physical skills, if you looked at your speed or your power, it's like a three down the line.

02:08:30.000 What's interesting is that fighting is a unique sport in that you can dominate people with your mind and your work ethic and your technique and your skill.

02:08:40.000 Oh, yeah.

02:08:42.000 You need those things.

02:08:44.000 You need them.

02:08:44.000 You can't beat threes.

02:08:46.000 You can't beat somebody with your mind.

02:08:48.000 Unless you talk the shit out of them.

02:08:49.000 You get in on race day.

02:08:52.000 I'm going to eat your feet.

02:08:54.000 I'm a chimpanzee.

02:08:55.000 I'll bite your finger.

02:08:58.000 Your fucking dick is mine.

02:09:02.000 But if you're racing against Usain Bolt or something like that, man, it don't matter.

02:09:07.000 It don't matter.

02:09:08.000 He's just got these gifts.

02:09:09.000 Yeah.

02:09:09.000 And he works hard, too.

02:09:10.000 Yeah.

02:09:12.000 But, yeah, at that level, everybody's working hard.

02:09:14.000 Yeah.

02:09:15.000 And then when you got the 10-10 stats and you fucking got crazy, like Usain Bolt, did you hear his story?

02:09:21.000 Like, he made his own freaking, what is that, that recovery thing?

02:09:24.000 Like, the thing that helps you with your...

02:09:27.000 Recovery, you lay in that barrel thing.

02:09:29.000 Oh, the ice barrel?

02:09:31.000 No, the...

02:09:31.000 Sensory deprivation tank?

02:09:35.000 Hyperbaric chamber.

02:09:36.000 Hyperbaric chamber?

02:09:37.000 He made his own?

02:09:38.000 He made his own.

02:09:39.000 How?

02:09:39.000 I don't know.

02:09:40.000 He built his own.

02:09:41.000 People were telling me about it, and I thought it was crazy shit, but he's poor and stuff, and he fucking built this can thing that he lined, and it helped him.

02:09:48.000 I was like, how the fuck does that even work?

02:09:49.000 Hyperbaric chambers are supposed to be amazing for recovery.

02:09:51.000 Have you ever used one of those?

02:09:52.000 I used one, yeah.

02:09:53.000 Yeah, how did it help you?

02:09:54.000 I loved it.

02:09:55.000 You just feel refreshed, you know?

02:09:58.000 It's so expensive, but I think the best recovery thing that I like is a normal tech or something, you know, when you put it on.

02:10:05.000 Yeah, I love those.

02:10:06.000 It's like, bro, my legs can be just hammered.

02:10:10.000 Hammered.

02:10:11.000 You put that on, you feel like...

02:10:12.000 I love those.

02:10:13.000 You feel like you're ready to go 10 more rounds.

02:10:14.000 That company, Hyperice, they make a lot of great shit.

02:10:17.000 They make these vibrating balls, too.

02:10:19.000 Oh, yeah.

02:10:20.000 I had one of those.

02:10:21.000 I had it when it was the first one, when it dropped out.

02:10:23.000 We have a whole rack of them out here.

02:10:26.000 The other day, I tweaked my back.

02:10:28.000 I tried to get a quick workout in with kettlebells, and I didn't warm up enough.

02:10:32.000 I just started swinging kettlebells and shit, and I'm like, ooh, what is that?

02:10:35.000 And I came in here and put that thing on.

02:10:37.000 I was like...

02:10:38.000 Yeah.

02:10:38.000 And I laid it and put it on the ground and rolled it on my back.

02:10:41.000 It's like, ah!

02:10:42.000 But it just popped.

02:10:43.000 I can hear things popping.

02:10:45.000 Like, hear things popping loose.

02:10:46.000 Are you sure you did?

02:10:48.000 I know.

02:10:48.000 I don't know.

02:10:49.000 I don't know if you did work out, but did you sneeze first?

02:10:51.000 Because that's the main thing.

02:10:52.000 Is that good?

02:10:53.000 No, if you sneezed, you threw your back out like DC. Oh, like DC? I'm older than D.C., man, but I don't hurt my back when I sneeze.

02:11:02.000 But you can.

02:11:03.000 I fucked my neck up once in, this was back when I had hair, reaching for shampoo in the shower.

02:11:09.000 Didn't make any sense.

02:11:11.000 I was training jiu-jitsu almost every day.

02:11:13.000 But that's why.

02:11:15.000 Ah, what the fuck?

02:11:16.000 But that's why you got hurt, because you're training Jiu Jitsu every day.

02:11:20.000 But I was reaching for shampoo, not getting neck cranked.

02:11:23.000 Who knows?

02:11:24.000 Your body must think like, oh my god, somebody's shoulder is supposed to be here and then just use it to the moment.

02:11:30.000 It's like, ah, ah.

02:11:31.000 I don't know what it was, but it's one of those weird things.

02:11:34.000 Sometimes you just aren't paying attention.

02:11:35.000 You bend over to pick something up and pop!

02:11:38.000 Something goes in your hamstring.

02:11:39.000 It's weird.

02:11:40.000 Yeah, it is weird, man.

02:11:41.000 The human body is so complex.

02:11:43.000 It's frustrating, right?

02:11:45.000 It's just crazy.

02:11:46.000 So, do you do hyperbaric chambers as a part of your regular recovery when you're in camp?

02:11:49.000 No, I did it a long time ago.

02:11:51.000 We had this rich guy where we used to train and he just kind of had one at his house and then he just brank it.

02:11:58.000 Really?

02:11:58.000 You didn't get one at your house?

02:11:59.000 Yeah, it's like this little middle machine pump thing and then it's a big tube one.

02:12:06.000 I don't know what brand it is.

02:12:08.000 When you get in that, if you want to get out, do you have to have someone get you out?

02:12:11.000 No, the zipper is two-sided, so you can zip from the inside and outside.

02:12:15.000 That's good.

02:12:17.000 That always freaked me out about hyperbaric chambers.

02:12:20.000 You're in that thing, you know?

02:12:22.000 It's weird.

02:12:22.000 I hate it, you know?

02:12:26.000 I do so much doctor stuff, like blood tests and scans and whatever, and I just feel like a lab rat.

02:12:32.000 I fucking hate it, bro.

02:12:33.000 You're just lying down on shit all the time, especially the MRIs.

02:12:37.000 And I'm like, bro, you hear the shit, you got earplugs in.

02:12:40.000 I'm like, bro, you're in there for like 45 minutes.

02:12:42.000 They're like, Mr. Holloway, stop moving.

02:12:45.000 I'm like, fuck, I'm falling asleep and twitching, that's why.

02:12:47.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:49.000 Okay, I'm going to stay up for 45 minutes.

02:12:52.000 It's so irritating lying right here.

02:12:53.000 Those things are very loud in that thing.

02:12:56.000 I don't know how you could fall asleep in there.

02:12:59.000 I don't know.

02:13:00.000 It's a gift.

02:13:00.000 Me and my son has this gift.

02:13:02.000 You know Rush, when he goes to my fight, and it's late, right?

02:13:07.000 When some of the fights, the pay-per-view cards in the East Coast especially, he falls asleep during the main cards.

02:13:13.000 Really?

02:13:14.000 Right before my fight, he's knocked out.

02:13:16.000 He's knocked out right there.

02:13:17.000 This is like...

02:13:18.000 Like, he fell asleep, like, doing, doing, um, when, um, Cowboy fought, uh, not Cowboy, but, uh, Cobb Swansea fought Duhu Choi.

02:13:26.000 Really?

02:13:27.000 Yeah.

02:13:27.000 That was a crazy fight.

02:13:28.000 And everybody's screaming and shit, and he's just, like, sleeping the whole time through it, you know what I mean?

02:13:32.000 Like, fucking kid's a legend.

02:13:33.000 That's hilarious.

02:13:34.000 Yeah, basically, I don't know, we just have a, like, my, my fiancé always tells me that, like, you just have a fucking gift that you can sleep wherever you want.

02:13:41.000 I don't know.

02:13:42.000 When I got to sleep, I got to sleep.

02:13:43.000 Recovery is important.

02:13:44.000 You just go to sleep.

02:13:45.000 Also, you train so hard, you're probably always kind of a little tired.

02:13:48.000 Yeah, I'm just exhausted.

02:13:50.000 What you said, I explained to people, I get so mentally tired sometimes after training because I'm just so focused.

02:13:59.000 Or even playing video games, I'm so focused.

02:14:03.000 I'm just like, I don't get none of you.

02:14:05.000 You just come down from upstairs and you fucking go to sleep.

02:14:08.000 I'm like, I'm sorry, babe.

02:14:10.000 Whatever.

02:14:10.000 He's like, yeah, well, give me that energy that you give.

02:14:12.000 Because I'm like, yo, what's up, stream me, stream!

02:14:14.000 You know, like, I'm just going crazy, you know?

02:14:16.000 That's like, you suck, you know?

02:14:18.000 Like, whatever, playing, whatever.

02:14:19.000 And then...

02:14:20.000 And as soon as it's done, it's just...

02:14:22.000 I'm just mentally exhausted, you know?

02:14:24.000 I'm just thinking, like...

02:14:25.000 Because then you've got to think of what you're moving, where it goes, because it's kind of...

02:14:28.000 There is most parts where it is high-paced.

02:14:31.000 It's like, okay, there's a fucking box right here.

02:14:33.000 I've got to go right.

02:14:33.000 This guy could go left, right, up, down.

02:14:35.000 I've got a fucking...

02:14:36.000 I've got a jump shot, drop shot, you know?

02:14:37.000 It's just stupid stuff.

02:14:38.000 And you use consoles only?

02:14:41.000 I use PC. I play PC. Oh, okay.

02:14:43.000 So you use mouse and keyboard.

02:14:44.000 I use...

02:14:45.000 No.

02:14:46.000 I'm fucking...

02:14:47.000 I cannot.

02:14:47.000 I don't think I'm that much...

02:14:49.000 I think so.

02:14:50.000 You got to go live it more into crazy land for that.

02:14:53.000 Really?

02:14:54.000 My brain doesn't work like that.

02:14:56.000 I'm all controller.

02:14:57.000 But controllers aren't as accurate.

02:14:59.000 I mean, yeah, that's what people say, but I feel fine.

02:15:03.000 Do you think you...

02:15:04.000 I mean, are the best players PC guys with a mouse and keyboard?

02:15:08.000 There's some guys that play PC and some guys that play controller that's just like neck and neck.

02:15:13.000 Jamie, what do you think?

02:15:14.000 I mean, the guy you were talking about earlier, Nick Merckx, he plays with a controller.

02:15:18.000 Good luck.

02:15:20.000 Yeah, Zlaner, bro.

02:15:21.000 Try and search up this guy named Zlaner.

02:15:23.000 Is he the best guy?

02:15:24.000 He's really good.

02:15:25.000 They're really good.

02:15:26.000 There are people that are really good.

02:15:27.000 There's videos of little kids playing Fortnite on an iPad.

02:15:30.000 They don't have a controller.

02:15:31.000 They're using the mobile version, but they're playing against everyone on keyboard and fucking them up.

02:15:36.000 What?

02:15:37.000 Yeah.

02:15:37.000 They're swiping on the screen.

02:15:38.000 Those goddamn kids, though.

02:15:40.000 They're fucking next level.

02:15:41.000 Kids are next level.

02:15:42.000 They're crazy as shit.

02:15:43.000 They can do things...

02:15:44.000 They adapt.

02:15:45.000 Yeah, they adapt so quick.

02:15:46.000 They don't have any information they had.

02:15:47.000 They don't have mortgages.

02:15:48.000 They never got laid.

02:15:50.000 They don't know shit.

02:15:50.000 I ain't thinking of nothing, yeah.

02:15:52.000 But I would always imagine that you can't be as accurate with your thumbs as you can moving a mouse.

02:15:57.000 Yeah, I guess.

02:15:58.000 Because that's how it is in Quake.

02:16:00.000 I mean, you get somewhat aim assist, right?

02:16:03.000 Do you have that extra controller, Max?

02:16:04.000 Do you have the extra buttons on it?

02:16:06.000 I use a C40 Astro and we get panels behind to jump and then I use one side to sprint.

02:16:13.000 That's the only...

02:16:13.000 I've never ever used those.

02:16:15.000 You probably haven't either.

02:16:16.000 They have extra buttons.

02:16:17.000 Your extra fingers that aren't being used can do stuff.

02:16:20.000 So instead of going like all the stuff, like I'm just...

02:16:22.000 My fingers is always...

02:16:23.000 My thumbs is always on top of my joysticks no matter what.

02:16:26.000 And so...

02:16:26.000 And it's all automatic in your head now.

02:16:28.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:16:29.000 The craziest thing...

02:16:31.000 Did you ever see like one of my friends play?

02:16:32.000 It's called Claw.

02:16:34.000 They hold the fucking controller like this, bro.

02:16:36.000 It's so weird.

02:16:36.000 Like after a couple of times, I tease him like...

02:16:39.000 His name is Bird too, so it's funny.

02:16:41.000 How does he hold it?

02:16:42.000 He holds the controller like this.

02:16:43.000 Like a claw?

02:16:46.000 Claw right there, you see?

02:16:47.000 So weird.

02:16:48.000 Why would you do that?

02:16:50.000 So you never have to move your thumb.

02:16:51.000 You don't have to move your thumb at all.

02:16:52.000 It takes like, you lose milliseconds when you move that thumb off of there to hit another button.

02:16:56.000 And that's like, if you moved your hand off your mouse, why would you ever do that?

02:16:59.000 You wouldn't.

02:17:00.000 So, you're moving left, right, and all that shit, with which side?

02:17:05.000 With the left thumb, and then the right thumb, you're aiming, and then all the other buttons is reloaded.

02:17:11.000 So you're touching with the side of your fingers?

02:17:12.000 Bro, I don't know.

02:17:14.000 You're talking to...

02:17:15.000 Fuck that.

02:17:15.000 I just buy a controller with extra buttons.

02:17:18.000 Oh, okay.

02:17:19.000 So these are for people who don't use the extra buttons.

02:17:22.000 Yeah, or some people, they buy the extra, but then they still play like that.

02:17:24.000 It's weird.

02:17:25.000 Maybe just get used to it.

02:17:26.000 People get accustomed to all kinds of weird things.

02:17:29.000 You get accustomed to doing things wrong.

02:17:30.000 I remember when I was teaching martial arts, one of the hardest things was teaching a guy who learned how to kick the wrong way.

02:17:37.000 I could take someone who didn't know how to kick at all, and I could teach them so much easier.

02:17:42.000 But if you took someone who came from some janky school that didn't really know what they were doing, and they developed some weird way of kicking, and I'd be like, oh man, this is harder than teaching someone who doesn't know anything.

02:17:53.000 It's mechanics.

02:17:54.000 They're getting greened.

02:17:56.000 You see different people from...

02:17:58.000 Different schools, jiu-jitsu schools, they're doing the armbar and shit, and they're going from step one to step six.

02:18:04.000 Are you fucking crazy?

02:18:05.000 You're insane.

02:18:06.000 You're Captain Insano right now.

02:18:09.000 Whatever crazy land you're in, you're in the wrong one, bro.

02:18:12.000 Come on back.

02:18:12.000 That's why it's so important to learn technique correctly.

02:18:16.000 You've got to learn it correctly the first time.

02:18:18.000 You see it with punches, you see it with kicks, you see it with everything.

02:18:21.000 Jiu-jitsu, everything.

02:18:23.000 You have to learn it right.

02:18:24.000 Yeah, and that's why I like, yeah.

02:18:26.000 You can get creative afterwards.

02:18:27.000 Yeah, it's always hard training someone or teaching someone something that they've already been taught before.

02:18:34.000 So you're trying to teach them the right way.

02:18:36.000 So it's always hard.

02:18:37.000 But if you just get a blank paper and you tell them to do this, they're going to do it, you know?

02:18:41.000 Yeah, the thing is like under pressure.

02:18:43.000 When someone learns something the wrong way and then under pressure, like sparring, when they're tired or something like that, that's when the bad technique comes out.

02:18:51.000 Even that, yeah, it's the same thing as when you take that person and you finally get them trying the right way and then the pressure comes in and then they just remember they did a thousand reps in the wrong way, that thousand reps get caught up, you know what I mean?

02:19:05.000 Especially guys that keep their head up in the air and their chin up in the air when they panic.

02:19:10.000 Because they just got so used to training like this, and then you get them used to this, and then when shit starts flying...

02:19:16.000 When they start slugging, they're like...

02:19:17.000 You know?

02:19:19.000 It's like, no, bro, don't do that.

02:19:21.000 Do you think you'll ever be a trainer?

02:19:23.000 I don't know.

02:19:24.000 I always tell my coaches or even everybody else that when I'm done fighting, I want to be away from the game.

02:19:31.000 I don't want to have to do nothing about it.

02:19:33.000 Maybe...

02:19:33.000 Maybe sit down cage side with you sometimes.

02:19:36.000 That would be fun.

02:19:37.000 Talk the shit with you and just do it, you know?

02:19:40.000 If we ever do a show in Hawaii and you're not on the card, you've got to do commentary.

02:19:45.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:46.000 100%.

02:19:46.000 I'm a fucking...

02:19:47.000 Yeah, we have stuff.

02:19:48.000 So, we see what happens.

02:19:49.000 But, I don't know.

02:19:50.000 Every time I do coach and everybody's like, oh, you're such good, blah, blah, blah.

02:19:53.000 Or they tell me, oh, you're pretty good, this and that.

02:19:56.000 And I'm like...

02:19:56.000 Fuck, I just don't want to be around it, you know?

02:19:59.000 Because it's so overwhelming?

02:20:00.000 Yeah, I'm just at that level where it's like, frick, I don't want to be a part of the game, you know?

02:20:05.000 It's like Kobe, you know?

02:20:06.000 When he wanted to get off, he had certain things lined up already, you know?

02:20:11.000 To get away from the game of basketball, and then his daughter pulled it back in.

02:20:15.000 But that's how I want to be, you know?

02:20:17.000 If Rush wanted to do it, maybe.

02:20:19.000 But even that, I don't even want to be his coach, because...

02:20:21.000 So close.

02:20:22.000 Yeah, you're so close.

02:20:23.000 It's too much on the line.

02:20:25.000 We see.

02:20:27.000 I never say never.

02:20:28.000 I'm a big Justin Bieber fan.

02:20:32.000 Other than video games, do you have anything that you could see yourself doing when you retire?

02:20:39.000 I don't know.

02:20:41.000 Maybe like...

02:20:43.000 I like talking stuff.

02:20:44.000 Maybe call you up and harass you to see how podcasts go, you know what I mean?

02:20:48.000 Yeah, why not, man?

02:20:49.000 Talk story with people.

02:20:50.000 But I'm not as smart as you.

02:20:51.000 I'm just sitting out there, Joe, and you're telling me stories about how the human brain came because people was eating mushrooms out of cow manure and blah, blah, blah.

02:21:02.000 I'm like...

02:21:03.000 What the fuck takes their time to watch this?

02:21:05.000 I'm like, what is this?

02:21:07.000 And then I watch the podcast, and you're just saying shit, y'all.

02:21:11.000 I'm like, fuck, this is...

02:21:13.000 But it's the same thing as training.

02:21:15.000 If you went back to me in 2009 when I first started doing the podcast, I was an idiot.

02:21:20.000 I've learned how to do this better.

02:21:22.000 I just learned things.

02:21:24.000 I've been doing this 11 years.

02:21:25.000 So it's like 11 years of having conversations with very smart people and then reading a lot of shit and watching a lot of documentaries and I retain information.

02:21:34.000 That's all it is.

02:21:35.000 Yeah, I see.

02:21:35.000 That's crazy that you said that because a lot of people...

02:21:38.000 I was talking to Shab before I came.

02:21:41.000 I talked to Shab a little bit.

02:21:42.000 And a lot of people, they see your deal that you signed with Spotify and they're like, what the fuck?

02:21:49.000 Why the hell I can't have that?

02:21:50.000 And then it's like, dummies.

02:21:52.000 I put 11 years of work out there.

02:21:56.000 They're buying the 11 years of work, you stupid asses.

02:21:59.000 People don't get it.

02:22:00.000 It's also one thing that I always tell these comics, and most of them don't listen.

02:22:05.000 I'm like, do more.

02:22:07.000 Do more shows.

02:22:08.000 You don't have to do one a week.

02:22:09.000 Why are you doing one a week when you can do four a week?

02:22:11.000 Do four or five.

02:22:13.000 Don't burn out, but just keep doing it.

02:22:15.000 The more you do it, the better you get at it.

02:22:17.000 It's just like jujitsu or anything else.

02:22:19.000 Anything you do.

02:22:21.000 I told people, it sucks now for Hawaii because since they sanctioned fights down there, When I was coming up as a kickboxer, it had no athletic commission.

02:22:34.000 It had none.

02:22:36.000 People could just put fights every week.

02:22:38.000 I had like four fights a week.

02:22:40.000 Really?

02:22:41.000 I remember one kickboxing fight, I fought Friday and I fought Saturday.

02:22:46.000 I weighed in on Friday the same day as one of my fights, but that's when you walked around the way you fought.

02:22:50.000 I just kickboxed it.

02:22:51.000 And I did this, like, not that much people know.

02:22:54.000 I had, like, freaking, like, maybe, like, I don't know, like, 80 to 100 fights before even, like, turning professional.

02:23:02.000 Really?

02:23:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:03.000 Like, I had 10 MMA amateur fights, I think, or whatever.

02:23:05.000 Maybe a little bit more, but my kickboxing fights to, like, just even, like, exhibition fights that you just fight, because I just want...

02:23:14.000 Like, you know, for me, for my reason, I knew I wanted to fight, but I also, I didn't have money, so I wanted to get in the fights for free and watch the fights and hang out with my friends, you know?

02:23:23.000 But I just, I tell you, knowledge is everything.

02:23:26.000 Like, I fought hurt.

02:23:29.000 I kicked someone and my toes started hurting and I had to figure out a way.

02:23:33.000 I punched someone and I stopped throwing that punch, which made me lose the fight.

02:23:37.000 And then...

02:23:37.000 Later on, you go into this mental agreement and you're like, bro, if this happens again, you got to freaking keep fighting, you know?

02:23:46.000 Versus a lot of these guys, they have no amateur.

02:23:49.000 They do these things so they can become pro.

02:23:50.000 And then when they run into this big problem, it affects them a lot because they didn't know how to deal with it at first, you know?

02:23:57.000 So, yeah, it just goes to the take of that.

02:23:59.000 Like, why not do more?

02:24:01.000 You know what I mean?

02:24:02.000 Less is more when you get a little bit closer to where you want to be, but in the beginning, man, especially amateurs, I tell guys, like, bro, who the hell cares that your amateur record is, you know, like, 9 and 6. No one cares because once you turn pro, it's zero and zero.

02:24:20.000 If you're over here, like 0 and 100, I'd be like, oh, brother.

02:24:25.000 Let's have a talk.

02:24:27.000 I mean, come on.

02:24:29.000 But come on.

02:24:30.000 It comes a different way.

02:24:31.000 You lose some decisions and stuff.

02:24:34.000 You're learning.

02:24:34.000 But you're learning.

02:24:35.000 It's all learning.

02:24:37.000 So when you get to the big show, it all counts.

02:24:39.000 I see people like, I just want to be pro.

02:24:41.000 I want to make money.

02:24:43.000 I'm like, it's not the way.

02:24:44.000 It's with everything, man.

02:24:45.000 It's with everything.

02:24:46.000 I used to see it in jiu-jitsu.

02:24:47.000 I would train, especially when I was real busy, I'd train once or twice a week, and then there'd be guys in the gym that were training five days a week, and man, I'd see them get so much better than me.

02:24:56.000 I was like, yep, that's just what it is.

02:24:58.000 It's just what it is.

02:24:59.000 And that's the most beautiful thing, especially about jiu-jitsu.

02:25:03.000 The thing that I love about jiu-jitsu is that...

02:25:05.000 You just see normal guys, whatever.

02:25:07.000 They're just getting great at something.

02:25:09.000 And then most of these motherfuckers just look like, they just look like, you know, like I love them.

02:25:12.000 They're my friends.

02:25:13.000 They look like weirdos.

02:25:14.000 You know what I mean?

02:25:15.000 They just look like weirdos.

02:25:17.000 Like the type of weirdos that you see at the club and be like, yeah, I'm going to punk this guy in front of my girl to make me look cool.

02:25:24.000 And you punked the wrong one because you just got choked out.

02:25:27.000 And your girl got stolen, so it's funny.

02:25:30.000 Legitimately.

02:25:31.000 Not a wise move.

02:25:32.000 A lot of these fucking nerds are straight up killers.

02:25:35.000 Did you see that video of these two football players?

02:25:38.000 I did.

02:25:39.000 And you see this guy, he's got a bloody nose.

02:25:41.000 I don't know what happened before.

02:25:42.000 I think he got forced.

02:25:43.000 I think the reason why he did something, I think so that guy hit him first.

02:25:46.000 And I was like, bro, this is self-defense.

02:25:49.000 100%.

02:25:50.000 See, he's got a bloody nose, and you see the other guy pushes him, and he's like, okay, time to show you.

02:25:55.000 And that guy, he was like the man.

02:25:58.000 I think he was like the football player at a college or something there.

02:26:01.000 Like, he was the man around town, so...

02:26:03.000 Whoops.

02:26:04.000 You know what I mean?

02:26:04.000 Like, you try to go over there trying to be like the man.

02:26:06.000 That doesn't help, and then...

02:26:08.000 He got a viral video of you.

02:26:10.000 I don't even know if you were starting.

02:26:11.000 It looks like Ben Askren, but it definitely wasn't.

02:26:13.000 But look, his nose is already bleeding, right?

02:26:15.000 So something already happened, and him and the other guy play this, because I love this video.

02:26:21.000 Can you not play it in the background?

02:26:22.000 I didn't have it ready to go.

02:26:23.000 Oh, can you press that button?

02:26:25.000 Oh, it's fake.

02:26:26.000 Okay.

02:26:27.000 So Oklahoma player, bar fight.

02:26:29.000 So these fucking guys are obviously, these smaller guys not trying to start a fight.

02:26:35.000 And you see his friends like, come on, bitch.

02:26:36.000 And he pushes them.

02:26:38.000 Yeah, you better listen to your friends.

02:26:39.000 So he's talking to the other guy like, okay, you take the big guy.

02:26:41.000 And you see him push him and he touches the blood on his nose and just punches that guy.

02:26:46.000 Ducks under.

02:26:47.000 Look at this takedown.

02:26:48.000 Beautiful.

02:26:48.000 Boom!

02:26:49.000 And the other guy's got the other friend, and he doesn't know what the fuck to do.

02:26:52.000 He's got him wrapped up.

02:26:53.000 Look at this dude.

02:26:54.000 Takes his back with cowboy boots on, son.

02:26:57.000 He's got cowboy boots on, taking this dude's back.

02:26:59.000 Gets the hooks in.

02:27:00.000 But watch this one.

02:27:01.000 Watch this one.

02:27:01.000 He gets slammed.

02:27:02.000 The guy to the right side of the watch.

02:27:04.000 In his head and everything.

02:27:05.000 Yeah, the big guy.

02:27:06.000 Yeah.

02:27:07.000 Well, this is his friend who took the second guy.

02:27:10.000 Yeah.

02:27:10.000 Oh, you're dead.

02:27:12.000 Yeah, here it comes.

02:27:13.000 You're dead.

02:27:14.000 Keep punching until you knock out.

02:27:15.000 Well, look, he grabs his collar.

02:27:16.000 He's choking him out with his own sleeve.

02:27:18.000 Oh, yeah, he's collar choking.

02:27:19.000 Boom!

02:27:20.000 You're dead.

02:27:21.000 Yeah, he gets slammed into the wall, and he gets pounded.

02:27:25.000 And now people are...

02:27:26.000 But the cowboy boots are the finishing touch.

02:27:28.000 It's hilarious.

02:27:29.000 That is so sick.

02:27:29.000 But these two assholes that started this whole shit, you can clearly see they're fucking with these dudes.

02:27:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:27:35.000 You clearly see it.

02:27:37.000 Videos like that make me feel good.

02:27:39.000 I like it.

02:27:40.000 I mean...

02:27:41.000 I don't like when people get beat up, but I do like when people get beat up when they deserve it.

02:27:45.000 When you're acting, I could see if he was pushing him.

02:27:48.000 Exactly.

02:27:48.000 And him being the punk.

02:27:49.000 Exactly.

02:27:50.000 It's funny because I would say at least 95% of people who know how to protect themselves in that situation...

02:27:59.000 He's doing the right thing and trying to go.

02:28:01.000 These videos go viral because somebody is overzealous.

02:28:05.000 They think they're somebody in life.

02:28:07.000 They think they can take you.

02:28:08.000 Exactly.

02:28:09.000 And then they find out the wrong way and now you're in the wrong because you're giving him what the hell he wanted.

02:28:13.000 That's going to stay with him forever.

02:28:16.000 That's had millions and millions and millions of views.

02:28:19.000 Oh yeah, he's not getting drafted.

02:28:21.000 Being an asshole.

02:28:23.000 Him being an asshole and a smaller guy with cowboy boots on fucking him up.

02:28:28.000 You gotta live with that.

02:28:30.000 He deserved it.

02:28:31.000 That's one of those things.

02:28:32.000 He deserved it.

02:28:33.000 He's probably fine.

02:28:34.000 Probably got some bruises on his face and his ego's more fucked up than anything.

02:28:38.000 And maybe he'll learn some jujitsu now.

02:28:40.000 Yeah.

02:28:40.000 But leave people alone, man.

02:28:42.000 Leave them alone.

02:28:43.000 Yeah.

02:28:43.000 And then maybe you become more humble because now you can just let them go.

02:28:46.000 Like, the people who don't...

02:28:47.000 Bro, the loudest guy in the room is the one that you don't have to be worried for.

02:28:51.000 You hear somebody yapping and you can fight, you look for that guy because you know he ain't doing nothing.

02:28:55.000 He ain't doing nothing.

02:28:57.000 His weapon is already being used.

02:28:58.000 It's his words.

02:28:59.000 Yeah.

02:29:00.000 When you go back and you live in Waianae still, right?

02:29:04.000 Yes, sir.

02:29:04.000 But is it weird walking around in your neighborhood?

02:29:07.000 I mean, do you get swarmed?

02:29:08.000 Not really.

02:29:09.000 I mean, everybody see me.

02:29:11.000 I'm there all the time.

02:29:12.000 It's fine.

02:29:13.000 You know what I mean?

02:29:13.000 So it's normal.

02:29:14.000 Yeah, it's really fine.

02:29:15.000 It's like if LeBron go back to Akron.

02:29:18.000 I heard that people don't really care.

02:29:20.000 People don't lose their minds.

02:29:21.000 Really?

02:29:22.000 Yeah, people say he can just sit down at any restaurant and he's fine over there.

02:29:26.000 And that's his home time because they watch him play basketball from when he was a young kid.

02:29:30.000 But I would imagine you just can't get any time to yourself.

02:29:34.000 People are knocking on your door.

02:29:35.000 Hey, Max!

02:29:36.000 How did you do it?

02:29:38.000 Hey Max, tell me what to do!

02:29:39.000 I mean, it's alright.

02:29:41.000 I have to beat sometimes when I with my son.

02:29:44.000 We get kind of overwhelmed, but it's not really local locals.

02:29:47.000 It's most of the time that people are coming in and they see us out.

02:29:51.000 Yeah, because I'm always on our side of the island, you know what I mean?

02:29:55.000 I stay low-key, but I'm low-key doing stuff with my family, but I'm not freaking...

02:30:01.000 Do people knock on your door?

02:30:02.000 No, no, no.

02:30:03.000 Only people who know where I live.

02:30:05.000 And then some people, they're kind of trying to guess, but they kind of respect it.

02:30:10.000 So it's super cool.

02:30:11.000 Well, that's good.

02:30:12.000 Yeah, it's super cool.

02:30:12.000 People are super nice.

02:30:14.000 Yeah, it's super cool.

02:30:14.000 Because you've got to be like a hero to the neighborhood.

02:30:17.000 Yeah, it's always cool seeing the kids.

02:30:20.000 As soon as they know my car I drive, so I'm driving to...

02:30:23.000 What kind of car you drive?

02:30:23.000 I have a Tesla.

02:30:25.000 And it doesn't help that I fucking wrapped it the most loudest color in the world.

02:30:30.000 What color?

02:30:30.000 It's this red.

02:30:31.000 It's like a matte...

02:30:33.000 It's terrible.

02:30:34.000 I know.

02:30:35.000 I like it.

02:30:36.000 It's like a matte chrome, though.

02:30:38.000 So when the sun hits it, it's like a chrome delete.

02:30:43.000 So then whenever the kids, and you just see them all fucking shocking on their stuff and fucking trying to do Papa Wheelies next to them, I'm like, okay, don't fall in the middle of the road so I don't bang you.

02:30:52.000 It's just an awesome scene.

02:30:54.000 Hopefully you give...

02:30:55.000 Hopefully one of the kids that I see playing or whatever, they freaking be something great, you know?

02:31:00.000 And I get to be a part of that because they said, like, oh, I saw you doing this and that.

02:31:05.000 You know, I'll be the freaking greatest feeling in the world.

02:31:06.000 Well, it's got to be, to them, a real inspiration because one of the things you were talking about...

02:31:12.000 Where people, you grow up in a toxic environment where everybody's always complaining and no one ever does anything and they get jealous of other people.

02:31:19.000 If they see a guy who's positive, who makes it...

02:31:22.000 You change it.

02:31:23.000 You change the culture.

02:31:24.000 You change the culture.

02:31:24.000 And that's what we try to do.

02:31:27.000 It's just funny.

02:31:28.000 I had these talks.

02:31:29.000 People tell me, oh, why don't you move out?

02:31:30.000 Why not?

02:31:31.000 Blah, blah, this and that.

02:31:32.000 I'm like, frick, man.

02:31:33.000 I can't ever...

02:31:33.000 I think of it like maybe I should for training because I got to drive like 45 minutes or something to training to the gym.

02:31:39.000 Traffic, maybe an hour.

02:31:40.000 But it's like, man, like, I'm like, do I really want to do that?

02:31:44.000 Like, I just love, like, this fucking city is just a part of me.

02:31:48.000 Like, I just love being here, you know?

02:31:49.000 Like, there's this drive, like, there's this hill that you come over when you start coming to Waianae, to Nanakuli.

02:31:55.000 Like, you can see the sunset and stuff, and I see it all the time.

02:31:57.000 I'm like, bro, I can't give this up.

02:31:58.000 Like, this is what I want, and then...

02:32:00.000 And I just always wanted to be the person, like, I remember people telling me, like, you're not gonna ever, if you, like, be great in fighting, you need to move.

02:32:08.000 You know, like, this is, look, look, oh, BJ, BJ moved, he trained in Cali, oh, this and that.

02:32:12.000 Like, yeah, he's back home, but he moved first.

02:32:14.000 And I always wanted to tell everybody, like, fuck that, I don't have to move anywhere.

02:32:18.000 I'm gonna be great from here.

02:32:20.000 And then, same thing where I'm from, like...

02:32:23.000 Why move out?

02:32:24.000 If it was super dangerous, don't get me wrong, it's not crazy dangerous, but if it's super dangerous, why?

02:32:30.000 Yeah, I would think of it, but why not?

02:32:32.000 It's not that crazy.

02:32:34.000 It can be crazy, but then...

02:32:37.000 I've been there my whole life.

02:32:39.000 Everybody know who I am.

02:32:40.000 And just being there and sitting in there, it's that kid.

02:32:44.000 The kid's like, oh look, he still lives here, so I can maybe live here and do it from here.

02:32:49.000 And really change the culture that way.

02:32:50.000 And really change it.

02:32:51.000 And that's what you do.

02:32:52.000 You surround yourself with...

02:32:56.000 Whatever you want to be.

02:32:57.000 If you got five genius friends, if you're hanging out with them all the time, you're probably going to become the next genius.

02:33:07.000 If all your friends got business owners, their own business owners, guess what?

02:33:11.000 You're probably going to be the sixth business owner of your group.

02:33:14.000 That's just what happens.

02:33:16.000 You are who you...

02:33:17.000 It's your own-yourself way.

02:33:18.000 That's got to be true.

02:33:19.000 I mean, you must have a positive impact on those kids.

02:33:22.000 I mean, especially when they hear something like this, where you're talking about your work ethic, you're talking about how you value time, you value your trainer's time, you value your own time.

02:33:32.000 Those are massive lessons for a young kid, because sometimes when you're a kid, all you hear is dumb lessons.

02:33:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:33:40.000 a bunch of people and the thing is and it's funny because then I was able to it's been super hard lately to get to the to to the intermediate and talk about career day I used to do create a bunch and when I would go there I would go to my classroom with the same teacher with the same table layout and I used to tell them I used to sit right there Wow.

02:34:03.000 And I would tell him, I used to sit right there when I was in class.

02:34:07.000 But guess where I was?

02:34:08.000 I was fucking with my counselor, fucking doing stupid shit.

02:34:11.000 And I'm like, what?

02:34:13.000 You was a bad kid.

02:34:14.000 I was like, Mr. Smotis is his name.

02:34:16.000 I was like, ask Mr. Smotis.

02:34:18.000 I was the most terrible kid ever.

02:34:20.000 What does he say?

02:34:21.000 He's like, yes, he was!

02:34:25.000 Bro, I was just hanging out with...

02:34:28.000 They still my friends today, but I think so we all could sit down in a group and just agree that we were jackasses.

02:34:34.000 We had three of us.

02:34:36.000 We was the three muster tears of doing dumb, stupid stuff all the time.

02:34:41.000 Yeah, and when I was in class, that was my chair, I would tell them, but I was always with the counselor.

02:34:46.000 And I told them, look, one thing that you guys can see is, it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

02:34:52.000 You know what I mean?

02:34:53.000 When I came to 9th grade, I knew I needed grades, I needed that, I really turned it around.

02:34:57.000 You know what I mean?

02:34:58.000 That's when I was in 8th grade, and I was crazy.

02:35:01.000 I was just stupid.

02:35:03.000 7th, 8th grade, just...

02:35:04.000 7th grade.

02:35:05.000 I only passed 7th grade because somehow the teacher feels so touched for me because I wasn't a dummy, but he knew I was a good kid.

02:35:11.000 He'd come on weekends and help me with my reading and stuff.

02:35:15.000 Really?

02:35:15.000 For past, yeah.

02:35:16.000 His name was Mr. Akana.

02:35:19.000 It was math and reading and all that stuff.

02:35:21.000 He'd help me with anything I needed, to be honest.

02:35:23.000 Well, shout out to him.

02:35:24.000 Yeah, he was the man.

02:35:25.000 Sometimes a good teacher like that changes your life.

02:35:28.000 I had fucking great teachers.

02:35:30.000 I had him.

02:35:30.000 I had my freaking...

02:35:32.000 My 9th grade teacher, Mr. Corey, he's still a family friend and stuff of us.

02:35:38.000 But they used to just shake me up.

02:35:40.000 And then I had a Des Moines teacher, Mr. Gray.

02:35:45.000 He helped me.

02:35:46.000 I sucked at math.

02:35:48.000 I sucked in school.

02:35:50.000 I graduated cum laude.

02:35:52.000 That's like 3.4 or something uni or 3.5 to all year or 3.2 I think from 9th grade to senior.

02:35:57.000 I graduated cum laude and the only reason is because of these teachers.

02:36:02.000 Mr. Gray in 9th grade, we had two recesses.

02:36:06.000 We had a 15-minute recess and then we had a 30-minute lunch or something like that.

02:36:11.000 And he would let me come in his class and he'd help me with my work all the time.

02:36:14.000 You know what I mean?

02:36:14.000 Because he just knew I would fucking...

02:36:16.000 My thing was like, I was playing baseball at the time.

02:36:18.000 I was like, my thing was like, I just finish all my work, finish my homework of what I can now.

02:36:22.000 So I can go out to the baseball field and just think about baseball shit.

02:36:26.000 I just get good in baseball shit, you know?

02:36:28.000 And then when I go home and stuff, I just eat dinner, I go sleep.

02:36:30.000 Instead of fucking...

02:36:31.000 Everybody's like, I'm doing stuff.

02:36:33.000 It's like, oh, I have this project due tomorrow.

02:36:35.000 Holy shit.

02:36:35.000 I was like, did you start?

02:36:36.000 No.

02:36:37.000 I was like, what the hell?

02:36:38.000 Practice started at 4. We ended at like 6 or 7. And then you gotta go sleep by like 9 o'clock or 10, you know what I mean?

02:36:44.000 For actually good sleep to wake up the next day, you know?

02:36:46.000 But these guys staying up late and stuff.

02:36:48.000 I was like, bro, I got that covered already.

02:36:50.000 I'm good, you know?

02:36:52.000 Time.

02:36:53.000 And I was just trying to just...

02:36:54.000 And it's kind of irritating.

02:36:57.000 It can help with my personal life sometimes.

02:36:59.000 I'm about saving time and stuff.

02:37:01.000 So I'm like...

02:37:02.000 Okay, babe.

02:37:02.000 I'm like, okay, I'll drop you off here.

02:37:04.000 Can you run in there when I'm going to drive a little bit down the road and grab this stuff?

02:37:08.000 And then she's like, no, no.

02:37:10.000 She's like, this is too crazy.

02:37:11.000 This fucking time shit is crazy right now.

02:37:13.000 Let's all just go as a family and do it.

02:37:15.000 I'm like, why?

02:37:15.000 This is faster.

02:37:16.000 We can get here faster.

02:37:17.000 It can be great, but it also can be a fucking pain in the ass at times, you know?

02:37:22.000 Yeah, but look what it's done for you, though.

02:37:26.000 Whatever pain the ass it is, look what it's done for you.

02:37:30.000 It's undeniable.

02:37:31.000 That respect for time is...

02:37:34.000 Probably out of all the positive shit that you've said today, that's one of the most important lessons.

02:37:39.000 The respect for time.

02:37:40.000 Hard work, but respect for...

02:37:42.000 And part of respect for time is work hard during that time.

02:37:46.000 And so you do, you know, like, I mean, who would, like, who would want to fucking be like, okay, I'm gonna take a private with you, and you see this guy just being a jackass, you know what I mean?

02:37:58.000 Like, fuck, it's like, bro, like, what are you doing, you know what I mean?

02:38:01.000 So...

02:38:02.000 Yeah, it's just time is super important, man.

02:38:05.000 I'm super big on this.

02:38:08.000 You just kind of give nobody back time.

02:38:11.000 That's crazy, right?

02:38:12.000 It's true.

02:38:13.000 But you can take the shitload of time up.

02:38:16.000 You know what I mean?

02:38:17.000 You can waste it.

02:38:18.000 You can waste it, but you can never ever.

02:38:21.000 Never ever.

02:38:22.000 Unless you talk to Elon off mic and his alien ass knows something.

02:38:27.000 You know what I mean?

02:38:28.000 I don't think so.

02:38:30.000 Well, listen, brother, it's always a pleasure to sit down and talk to you.

02:38:33.000 I really appreciate you coming down here, man.

02:38:34.000 And again, your last fight inspired the shit out of me, man.

02:38:38.000 It really did.

02:38:39.000 I carried that fight around me for a few days.

02:38:42.000 I really did.

02:38:43.000 Just thinking about...

02:38:45.000 I love when people just achieve a new level.

02:38:49.000 I love watching something like that.

02:38:53.000 It's one of the things about the sport...

02:38:56.000 What's so fascinating is watching people develop and grow and figure things out and just seeing the fruits of their labor and the fruits of their hard work.

02:39:06.000 And your last fight in particular, man, was spectacular.

02:39:10.000 Thank you.

02:39:11.000 That's awesome.

02:39:11.000 It means a lot coming from someone like you, my man.

02:39:13.000 So thank you for inviting me.

02:39:15.000 Anytime, my man.

02:39:16.000 We had some hiccups.

02:39:17.000 Well, we had a little froze.

02:39:18.000 But we're here, so thank you so much.

02:39:20.000 My pleasure, brother.

02:39:21.000 Thank you very much.

02:39:22.000 Thank you, brother.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 02, 2011

JRE MMA Show #103 with Max Holloway

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