The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #104 with Cory Sandhagen

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00:00:14.000 Mr. Sandhagen, we're up.

00:00:16.000 Thank you, sir.

00:00:17.000 Thanks for being here, man.

00:00:18.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:00:18.000 Thank you.

00:00:19.000 So what are you telling me, Jamie?

00:00:20.000 There's a UFO yesterday?

00:00:22.000 Yeah, NFL popular quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, former number one pick and Heisman winner.

00:00:27.000 I think he lives in Austin in the offseason, and he saw a potential UFO last night, he says.

00:00:33.000 He says, Could have been a drone.

00:00:52.000 Could have been some kids.

00:00:53.000 He's a football player?

00:00:54.000 Yeah.

00:00:54.000 Are we going to believe him because he's famous?

00:00:56.000 Yeah.

00:00:57.000 That's the only reason.

00:00:58.000 He just got a lot of attention as well.

00:00:59.000 Well, he's famous, so you listen to his Twitter, I guess.

00:01:02.000 I don't know.

00:01:03.000 Have you ever seen anything crazy?

00:01:05.000 No.

00:01:05.000 No?

00:01:06.000 I... I don't think crazy.

00:01:09.000 When I'm up in the mountains sometimes camping or whatever, I feel like some shooting stars and some stars fall, which actually now that I'm saying it might be a little bit crazy. 0.99

00:01:18.000 So maybe I have seen some shit. 0.98

00:01:20.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:01:21.000 Everybody wants to think they did, right?

00:01:23.000 I want to think I've seen some crazy, but I definitely haven't.

00:01:25.000 I thought I did when I was a kid, but now I think I was probably lying. 1.00

00:01:28.000 When I think about it, when I was a kid I was probably full of shit. 0.99

00:01:32.000 I probably wanted it, you know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:01:34.000 I probably saw a military jet, and I thought, and I wanted it to be something cool.

00:01:39.000 I remember the first time I ever saw a stealth bomber.

00:01:41.000 We were filming Fear Factor, and it was over in Palmdale, which is near Edwards Air Force Base.

00:01:46.000 If I didn't know what that was, I would 100% think that was from another planet.

00:01:50.000 Yeah.

00:01:51.000 You know, when you see the thing, black wing flying overhead, it's pretty badass.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:56.000 I don't think I would, you know...

00:01:58.000 I think that my brain would just immediately be like, ah, something can explain that.

00:02:02.000 Well, that's the problem with anything like that.

00:02:06.000 The idea that you're looking at something from another planet is so...

00:02:11.000 It's so outside of what you see every day.

00:02:14.000 You don't know where to put it.

00:02:15.000 It's getting less outside though, right?

00:02:17.000 Right.

00:02:17.000 It's getting less outside, which is weird.

00:02:19.000 It seems like it is.

00:02:19.000 What's up with the...

00:02:20.000 Because I remember you saying something about it on the podcast.

00:02:23.000 What's up with that bill that passed that said that they have to release whatever information they have to release about...

00:02:29.000 It's the COVID relief bill.

00:02:31.000 And inside the COVID relief bill, they gave...

00:02:33.000 I think it was the CIA. They gave the Central Intelligence Agency 180 days or something like that.

00:02:40.000 To release all the information that they have about UFOs.

00:02:44.000 Where are we at on that?

00:02:46.000 I don't know.

00:02:46.000 It's a good question.

00:02:47.000 What day are we on? 1.00

00:02:48.000 They don't have to release shit. 0.99

00:02:50.000 They can say that and go, oh, this is what we got. 1.00

00:02:52.000 We got a blurry picture. 1.00

00:02:53.000 Get the fuck out of my office. 0.99

00:02:55.000 Yeah, we're not going to know anything. 1.00

00:02:57.000 Yeah, the idea that they're going to tell these senators and all these elected people what they know, they're not telling them shit. 0.95

00:03:03.000 Unless the aliens told them that they have 180 days to tell everyone. 0.91

00:03:07.000 Hmm.

00:03:08.000 Maybe.

00:03:09.000 Right now you're talking.

00:03:10.000 If Trump didn't tell everybody, we're not going to know.

00:03:13.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:03:15.000 I think...

00:03:16.000 I remember when Chris Rock was talking about Obama, and he was talking about Obama.

00:03:19.000 People were disappointed in Obama's first administration. 0.99

00:03:22.000 And he said, you've got to wait until the second term, and that's when you do some really gangster shit. 0.99

00:03:27.000 And Obama didn't do any gangster shit in the second term. 0.99

00:03:29.000 But... 0.99

00:03:30.000 If Trump got elected again in 2024, because you can only do it twice.

00:03:35.000 If he got elected again in 2024, maybe he would tell us.

00:03:40.000 Recount the votes. 1.00

00:03:42.000 Maybe get on TV and that's the first shit he talks about right away. 0.99

00:03:48.000 Here's what the article is. 0.99

00:03:52.000 Included as a committee comment on the Intelligence Authorization Act, the committee directs the Director of the National Intelligence in consultation with the Secretary of Defense to Why can't they just say UFOs?

00:04:18.000 Unidentified aerial phenomenon.

00:04:21.000 What's the difference?

00:04:22.000 Unidentified flying object?

00:04:23.000 They got tired of using that?

00:04:24.000 So they changed it to UAP? Why they gotta fuck with us? 1.00

00:04:28.000 I don't know, man. 1.00

00:04:28.000 UAP. Words change all the time. 1.00

00:04:31.000 They have to.

00:04:33.000 I guess.

00:04:34.000 Well, listen, man, let's get to you. 0.99

00:04:36.000 You've been on a fucking tear lately, son. 0.99

00:04:39.000 You really have. 0.99

00:04:40.000 It's super impressive.

00:04:41.000 The Marlon Marais KO, the Frankie Edgar KO. You have looked fucking sensational. 0.91

00:04:47.000 I figured some shit out. 0.99

00:04:49.000 Yeah, what did you figure out? 0.99

00:04:51.000 Well, it's a lot, I think, but...

00:04:56.000 It might be a bit of a long-winded answer.

00:04:58.000 Let's go.

00:04:59.000 I love a long-winded answer. 0.98

00:05:00.000 There's a lot of steps that I think had to take place, but I think the first thing is I had to realize that you can't just walk into a cage and be flat as fuck and expect to compete with the best guys in the world. 0.97

00:05:15.000 So how were you flat? 0.97

00:05:16.000 Like you weren't warmed up?

00:05:18.000 No, no, no.

00:05:20.000 Well, that's what, you know, I don't know.

00:05:23.000 Maybe it was a warm up a little bit.

00:05:25.000 Maybe that had something to do with it.

00:05:26.000 But I think that there's just a level of intensity that you have to be in.

00:05:30.000 If me and someone else are going to stand in a locked cage and we have to, you know, beat each other up really badly.

00:05:37.000 You have to be at a certain level of intensity for that.

00:05:40.000 And how were you previously approaching it?

00:05:43.000 So previously, I didn't have...

00:05:45.000 Okay, so let's go back to maybe before the Sterling fight, because after the Sterling fight is when I learned a lot of stuff.

00:05:54.000 So...

00:05:55.000 Before, I didn't need to do a lot in order to get at that level of intensity.

00:06:00.000 I don't really know why that is, but it didn't take a lot in me in order for me to get to that performance level.

00:06:08.000 Again, Sterling, for whatever reason, and I don't want to make up any excuses or anything.

00:06:15.000 I almost said Alistair because we were just talking about him.

00:06:20.000 Aljamain was better than me on the night, and that's why I lost.

00:06:26.000 But for whatever reason, man, in the back, I was just really flat.

00:06:32.000 Do you think you got too comfortable?

00:06:33.000 I think I was too comfortable.

00:06:35.000 I think I underestimated them.

00:06:36.000 I think that it was during the COVID times and I wasn't using as many training partners.

00:06:43.000 Sparring sessions weren't nearly what they used to be in a team gathering.

00:06:48.000 It was like I had two or three training partners and that's who I went in and sparred with at a separate time.

00:06:53.000 Maybe that had something to do with it too.

00:06:56.000 Purposeful?

00:06:56.000 Or is that all that was available because people weren't training as much because of COVID? How did you...

00:07:01.000 Yeah, so that was like March or April.

00:07:04.000 So that was like when everything was really hot with COVID. So yeah, it was just because all the gyms were shut down.

00:07:13.000 Everyone was being really safe because everyone was kind of like...

00:07:16.000 Yeah.

00:07:16.000 You know, however they were feeling about COVID. And so I think maybe that had something to do with it, too.

00:07:23.000 But regardless, you know, he earned that win.

00:07:26.000 And when I went into that fight, it wasn't a matter of...

00:07:30.000 Because you hear guys say all the time, or at least I try to listen to as many interviews as I can and just kind of watch the demeanors of people when they walk into the cage.

00:07:38.000 And you hear guys say...

00:07:41.000 You just see that people are competing at different intensity levels all the time.

00:07:45.000 Some people go in and they're like this, you know, and they're ready to go and then other people walk in like they just woke up from a nap.

00:07:51.000 And so I try to learn by just watching and on that night I felt really relaxed and I felt really comfortable and really present.

00:08:07.000 And I realize that that's not where I need to be in order for me to be able to compete at my highest level.

00:08:11.000 Did it have anything to do with the fact there was no crowd?

00:08:15.000 Was that unusual for you to compete in front of no crowd?

00:08:18.000 Did it feel different?

00:08:20.000 I would say there was a lot of really unusual things happening.

00:08:26.000 Maybe.

00:08:27.000 To be completely honest with you and candid, I think I just underestimated Aljamain a lot.

00:08:35.000 I didn't really take too much into consideration that he has I don't know how many UFC fights.

00:08:40.000 The guy has been under the UFC lights a lot of time and that makes a big difference.

00:08:45.000 And that was a huge mistake on my part.

00:08:48.000 And I think that it led to the mentality that I went into that fight with.

00:08:51.000 And I remember when I was in the cage feeling really relaxed, I remember when Sterling walked in the cage.

00:08:59.000 And his intensity was at the highest that you could probably imagine.

00:09:04.000 Because you feel the energy of people.

00:09:06.000 When you're in a space that you're ready to fight someone, I think that you read body language better.

00:09:11.000 I think that you read people's energy a little bit better.

00:09:14.000 When I was reading his energy, I was like, wow, that is way more intense than where I am right now.

00:09:20.000 Yeah, he's about to fight in just a couple days, Piotr Jan, for the Bantamweight title.

00:09:25.000 What are your thoughts on that?

00:09:27.000 Yeah, I've obviously thought about it a lot because I've been asked about it a lot.

00:09:33.000 I keep going back and forth, but I've been watching the Embeddeds.

00:09:36.000 I've been watching both of their trainings and stuff, their countdowns.

00:09:41.000 And I don't know why, but after watching those, I really have a lot of confidence that Sterling's going to win.

00:09:47.000 Really?

00:09:48.000 I do. 0.99

00:09:50.000 Maybe because I'm biased as shit because Sterling beat me. 0.98

00:09:54.000 Not only that, but also because Jan is doing a lot of calling out of TJ, and I think that that's kind of lame, you know? 0.97

00:10:01.000 Do you think he's doing that just because TJ's a big name?

00:10:03.000 Of course.

00:10:04.000 Yeah, I mean, TJ's the biggest name in the division, you know, for now.

00:10:07.000 Yeah, of course.

00:10:09.000 It's kind of an interesting spot in the sport, too, right now.

00:10:11.000 We're kind of playing, you know, and this is just the way that things are.

00:10:15.000 I'm not trying to complain about it, but it seems like it's a lot of, you know, the fame game a little bit.

00:10:20.000 Like, if you fight someone really popular and you beat that person, that ranks higher than beating someone who's ranked higher or someone who's, you know...

00:10:30.000 And that's the game that we're in, and that's completely fine, and I know that I'm not one of those famous people.

00:10:36.000 You're on your way, son.

00:10:37.000 I'm on my way. 0.99

00:10:37.000 I need to keep whooping people's asses. 0.99

00:10:39.000 And I've been knowing that for a long time, where I'm like, man, like... 1.00

00:10:44.000 Eventually this shit will start getting going. 0.99

00:10:46.000 I know how good I am. 1.00

00:10:49.000 I've been training for a really long time.

00:10:51.000 I've been in the room with some really good guys. 0.99

00:10:53.000 I'm like, okay, this shit just has to get going. 0.99

00:10:55.000 I'll just trust the process, whatever. 0.99

00:10:58.000 The last two have definitely really clicked.

00:11:01.000 But going back to the point of...

00:11:05.000 Where I was in that fight, I actually learned a lot from Sterling.

00:11:09.000 I learned that when someone walks into the cage and they have that level of intensity, it can be...

00:11:18.000 Intimidating, you know, if you're not at that point.

00:11:23.000 And I kind of, you know, afterwards I was asking one of my military buddies because how much realer can it get than like actually, you know, having to kill someone, you know?

00:11:31.000 And I remember asking my military buddy and I was like, man, how do you guys deal with that level of intensity?

00:11:36.000 And he was like, man...

00:11:38.000 When you're standing on the other side of that door and you're about to kick in that door, you need to understand that it's either you or it's them when you kick that door down.

00:11:48.000 And now when I walk into the cage, it's right when I walk in, right from the bell, it's like it's either me or it's that person when I kick down that door.

00:11:58.000 Do you think there is a level of intensity that's sustainable in a three-round fight versus a level of intensity that's sustainable in a five-round fight?

00:12:08.000 Or do you think it's just a matter of preparation?

00:12:11.000 I don't know.

00:12:12.000 Have you ever fought a five-rounder outside of the UFC? No, no.

00:12:17.000 My first five-rounder was scheduled for Marais.

00:12:19.000 So no, I've never had a five-round fight.

00:12:22.000 Was that your first wheel kick KO? Yeah, yeah.

00:12:25.000 That caught a lot of people off guard.

00:12:26.000 Yeah, that was maybe the first time I've ever thrown that kick, you know, in a fight at least.

00:12:31.000 Marlon's listening to this going, poha! 1.00

00:12:33.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:12:36.000 That was pretty wild. 1.00

00:12:37.000 Yeah.

00:12:38.000 The quarantine helped me with that one, though.

00:12:40.000 Yeah? 0.97

00:12:40.000 That's all that I did in the quarantine is fucking hit the bob in my basement. 0.97

00:12:43.000 Oh, really? 0.99

00:12:44.000 Yeah, I just practiced over and over again.

00:12:45.000 Bob's good for wheel kicks.

00:12:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:46.000 Yeah, it's one of the best things for wheel Dude, Bob's good for a lot of shit. 1.00

00:12:50.000 Knees to the face. 1.00

00:12:52.000 Bob's good for everything.

00:12:54.000 I was thinking he just needs a leg kick shield type of thing on that base.

00:12:58.000 I think they have one.

00:13:00.000 Go to Century Martial Arts Bob is this...

00:13:05.000 They gave me one for my old gym.

00:13:08.000 I had one in my gym at home in my old house in California.

00:13:11.000 I don't have one out here, but I liked it.

00:13:13.000 It's good for combinations because it's so realistic.

00:13:17.000 It really feels like a...

00:13:18.000 And the head moves good.

00:13:20.000 You could really crack the head and you get a good...

00:13:24.000 Here it is.

00:13:26.000 Bob, so is there a padded base for it?

00:13:31.000 What's that there?

00:13:32.000 I feel like I saw something like that.

00:13:35.000 No?

00:13:38.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:13:39.000 Okay, so that's Bob with a bunch of shit on him, so you could leg kick him. 1.00

00:13:43.000 That's cool. 0.99

00:13:44.000 That's pretty dope.

00:13:45.000 So that's like an outfit that Bob wears.

00:13:48.000 Oh, see, you know what I was going to say, too?

00:13:50.000 You know what I was going to say, too, is they need to put some type of hand guard positioning things.

00:13:55.000 I hope that those things can move, because that would be cool, too, because that's one thing that's really important in fighting.

00:14:00.000 Is that Hackelman?

00:14:00.000 Yeah.

00:14:01.000 Haha, my man.

00:14:02.000 Look at that. 0.99

00:14:04.000 That's fucking cool. 0.95

00:14:05.000 So you actually can practice that. 0.99

00:14:07.000 That's very cool.

00:14:09.000 I like that even better than the regular Bob.

00:14:11.000 Okay, so that's not an outfit he wears.

00:14:13.000 That's the whole Bob.

00:14:15.000 Oh, Jamie.

00:14:16.000 Order one of those.

00:14:17.000 Right away.

00:14:18.000 We gotta get one of them.

00:14:20.000 Alright.

00:14:20.000 I like it.

00:14:22.000 So you were practicing wheel kicks and stuff like that on Bob.

00:14:25.000 Did you have a traditional martial arts background at all?

00:14:28.000 I did Taekwondo when I was really young.

00:14:31.000 Is that where you learned that?

00:14:32.000 No.

00:14:34.000 I had always wanted to be good at those, like spinning back kicks, spinning wheel kicks. 0.97

00:14:42.000 But I would just do some shit and just, you know, like I didn't know the technical way of doing that, you know? 0.98

00:14:48.000 So when I would be in a fight and I would throw it, it was just like bullshit, you know? 0.99

00:14:51.000 And now I can actually feel like I can do it.

00:14:54.000 But you know what helped me a lot is, well, one, my coach Christian Allen, who has obviously been helping me a lot with it too.

00:15:00.000 And then two, I've been going down to Ryan Hall's gym a decent amount at 50-50.

00:15:05.000 And do you know Tan Lee?

00:15:06.000 No.

00:15:07.000 Ton Lee, he's the 155 champ in one fighting championship.

00:15:11.000 Yeah, he just beat that Martin Wing guy.

00:15:14.000 So Ton Lee and Ryan are down there, and they do a lot of spinning back kicks, wheel kicks, and all of that.

00:15:20.000 They helped me a lot with that, too.

00:15:24.000 There's one guy in 1FC that has a nasty spinning back kick. 0.89

00:15:28.000 I don't know if that's him.

00:15:29.000 I don't think he throws a ton in his fights.

00:15:31.000 There's one guy who just keeps flattening people with spinning back kicks in the body.

00:15:35.000 It's like getting hit by a car if someone's got a good one. 0.94

00:15:39.000 I mean, I have a frame where I'm not going to knock anyone out bad with my upper body and stuff, but man, your legs are like big-ass parts of your body.

00:15:50.000 You don't need to throw them very hard in order for it to really, really score.

00:15:53.000 Yeah, this guy.

00:15:54.000 Let me see that.

00:15:55.000 Show that one.

00:15:55.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:57.000 Kevin Bellington.

00:15:58.000 Yeah, he's a 25er.

00:15:59.000 He just fought...

00:16:02.000 That dude's got a good one.

00:16:04.000 Yeah.

00:16:04.000 He throws it very quick, too.

00:16:06.000 And he's always got his hips loaded up, like he's looking for it all the way.

00:16:09.000 Boom! 0.99

00:16:10.000 Look at that.

00:16:10.000 Come on, man.

00:16:11.000 It's just like, what kick is like that?

00:16:13.000 Yeah.

00:16:14.000 You know, there's so few kicks that have that kind of power.

00:16:17.000 Yeah, and if you can't get your feet out of the way of that, and you just want to use your elbow, you're definitely way big time opening up your head for a wheel kick, too.

00:16:25.000 So do you have a guy that, you said Christian Allen?

00:16:28.000 Yeah.

00:16:28.000 He's your striker?

00:16:33.000 Yeah, he's got a bunch of black belts.

00:16:35.000 I don't really know what they're all in.

00:16:37.000 Me and Christian have been together since the first day that I walked into high-altitude martial arts.

00:16:42.000 Do you consider your stand-up style, is it Muay Thai-based?

00:16:46.000 Is it a hybrid?

00:16:48.000 What do you think of it as?

00:16:51.000 I don't know.

00:16:52.000 So, I think it's probably a compilation of everything.

00:16:55.000 One, I think Christian has a very creative mind.

00:16:59.000 And it's not super, you know, like we don't hang on to any one type of traditional martial arts over the other or whatever.

00:17:06.000 We just, you know, try to take as much good as we can from each one.

00:17:09.000 But I know in my experience, I used to love watching old school K1 fights.

00:17:13.000 Those were like my all-time favorite fights to watch.

00:17:15.000 So, I think when it started, it was kind of a hybrid of me watching a lot of the WEC, specifically like Dominic Cruz.

00:17:23.000 I thought his style was dope, you know, like all of the footwork and stuff.

00:17:27.000 Watching that, watching Christian and having Christian teach me, and then watching like a lot of really solid K1 guys, like Andy Sauer was one of my favorite fighters.

00:17:35.000 I gotta go train with him a couple times in Holland.

00:17:38.000 Oh, that's awesome.

00:17:39.000 Oh, it was sick.

00:17:40.000 He's such a nice guy, too.

00:17:41.000 Yeah, seems like a really nice guy.

00:17:42.000 He did a lot of training with Aldo, right?

00:17:44.000 He went down to Brazil.

00:17:46.000 He was training with Jose quite a bit.

00:17:48.000 So, let's get back to this mindset thing.

00:17:52.000 What did you do to change how you ramp up, how you get into the octagon?

00:17:57.000 Like, did you just decide to be at 10 the moment you stepped through the door?

00:18:02.000 Is it a mental thing?

00:18:03.000 It's practice.

00:18:06.000 It's something that's controllable that I think, or at least in my experience of my past, it's something that's told to you that isn't controllable.

00:18:15.000 You either have it or you don't. 1.00

00:18:17.000 I don't believe that shit. 1.00

00:18:22.000 It's practice. 1.00

00:18:23.000 It's a lot of...

00:18:26.000 So I'll practice before sparring.

00:18:28.000 So every time I go into sparring now, before I leave the house, for about 20 minutes, I'll sit and visualize all of the techniques that I'm trying to work.

00:18:38.000 And I'll see it from a third person's point of view.

00:18:41.000 So that's how they say that you're supposed to learn techniques the best, is you visualize yourself doing them and not a first person view.

00:18:49.000 Really?

00:18:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:50.000 That's interesting.

00:18:51.000 Why is that?

00:18:52.000 Yeah.

00:18:53.000 I don't know, to be honest.

00:18:55.000 But you're supposed to use the first-person view when you're actually trying to generate the emotions that you'll be feeling before a fight, which makes sense.

00:19:05.000 But third-person view if you want to learn something or visualize being successful at it.

00:19:10.000 That's strange because I would think you would want to see it the way you're going to do it.

00:19:15.000 Yeah.

00:19:16.000 Huh.

00:19:16.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:19:17.000 Do you have a mental coach that you work with?

00:19:19.000 Yeah, so I've used a sports psychologist, Joey Fritz, for about probably five or six years now, I would say.

00:19:26.000 How often do you meet with him?

00:19:28.000 Once every week in camp.

00:19:30.000 Really?

00:19:31.000 Yep.

00:19:31.000 And a lot of it, I think in the beginning when you're working with a sports psych, it's just putting out a lot of fires.

00:19:37.000 Like, hey, this is stressing me out.

00:19:39.000 Hey, I'm really scared about this.

00:19:40.000 Hey, blah, blah, blah.

00:19:42.000 Yeah.

00:19:43.000 And I would say that that's kind of what it was for me in the beginning, which was super helpful because then I could start really enjoying it.

00:19:50.000 And then now, in the last year or so, we've been really hammering down on some like, hey, what's going to make me a better performer instead of what's going to bring me into the fight with a lot less fear and anxiety and stuff like that.

00:20:04.000 So yeah, I've been doing that for a while now.

00:20:06.000 How long are these sessions?

00:20:08.000 It depends on the week.

00:20:09.000 You know, sometimes there's more things to bring up than others.

00:20:12.000 And I'm pretty self-sustainable.

00:20:15.000 So whatever he gives me, you know, like I'm doing.

00:20:19.000 So it doesn't require like too much practice or too much checking in other than that.

00:20:26.000 So, you know 30 45 minutes sometimes.

00:20:28.000 So did you come to him and say hey when I had this Aljamain Sterling fight I went in I felt kind of flat.

00:20:35.000 He was kind of pumped up and I was like, oh Yeah.

00:20:41.000 And, yeah, so he's, everyone's different, right?

00:20:45.000 Like, I was watching, I think maybe it was on here, or an interview with Dustin Poirier, and he was saying that before he went and fought McGregor, he felt that way, where he was feeling really flat, and this and that, and I remember him saying that his striking coach, who had a bunch of kickboxing fights, was telling him, like, hey man, like, that's normal, like, As I was listening to that, I was like, that works for Dustin, and that's good, but that doesn't work for me.

00:21:14.000 I can't go in that flat and still do a good job.

00:21:18.000 That's a really important point, right?

00:21:19.000 It's like every fighter has to figure out what process works best for them, and it's going to be different for a wrestler versus a striker, a tall guy versus a short guy, a guy who's fast versus a guy who's got a lot of cardio.

00:21:30.000 It's really going to depend entirely on your style and who you are as a human.

00:21:35.000 Yeah, it changes a lot, and I think that that's why experience is a huge thing that people overlook a lot.

00:21:44.000 I overlooked it definitely before I fought Sterling.

00:21:47.000 Sterling's gone through a lot of those processes.

00:21:49.000 You can tell.

00:21:51.000 And now that I've gone through that process, I feel like I'm a completely different fighter.

00:21:55.000 Sterling looks so big in that fight.

00:21:57.000 I don't know how much weight he cuts, but my god, for a 135, that dude is huge.

00:22:01.000 I think that that's another reason, too, that he's going to do well against Jan.

00:22:05.000 Well, his wrestling is super solid and his jiu-jitsu is...

00:22:09.000 I mean, he comes from a Henzo Gracie lineage.

00:22:12.000 He's a Matt Serra black belt.

00:22:14.000 I was very impressed, unfortunately for you, in that fight with his jiu-jitsu.

00:22:19.000 Yeah.

00:22:19.000 I mean, my God.

00:22:20.000 Yeah, he's good.

00:22:21.000 He's like real deal good too, you know, not like a, oh, I'm a good MMA grappler.

00:22:27.000 It's like, no, like that dude's like a really good grappler.

00:22:30.000 Yeah, you can tell.

00:22:31.000 Well, he's, you know, he's very respected in jujitsu, you know, in terms of like the guys who train with him, guys who know how good he is, guys, you know, high level black belts.

00:22:41.000 Yeah, I don't think Jan's at the level of grappling that Sterling's at, but also I don't know how big Jan is either.

00:22:51.000 He doesn't look like a huge 35er.

00:22:54.000 He's real strong.

00:22:55.000 Yeah, he looks real strong. 0.92

00:22:57.000 And he's a predator.

00:23:00.000 That guy is always moving forward and he puts a lot of pressure on you.

00:23:04.000 Aljamain has this crazy style, you know, if the fight turns into a striking contest where he's utilizing a lot of movement, a lot of movement.

00:23:13.000 That's something he and I talked about on the podcast, like he needs a lot of cardio to fight that way.

00:23:18.000 And what's interesting about Piotr is that he is really good at picking his moments and pacing himself and then slowly but surely accelerating the pressure.

00:23:29.000 You saw that in the Aldo fight.

00:23:31.000 I think he stopped Jose in the fourth round.

00:23:34.000 But that was what was happening.

00:23:37.000 You could see Aldo was starting to wilt.

00:23:39.000 You know, Aldo is a sprinter and it's hard for him for whatever reason to maintain endurance over the course of a long fight.

00:23:46.000 And that's been the case throughout his entire career.

00:23:49.000 I mean, you go to the Mark Hominick fight.

00:23:51.000 Or a Ricardo Lamas fight, I think it was, where at the end of the fifth round, Lamas was on top, beating him up.

00:23:59.000 And he won the decision because he was beating Lamas up for most of the fight.

00:24:02.000 Pretty sure it was Lamas.

00:24:04.000 I want to say it's hominic. 0.82

00:24:06.000 Maybe it was the case in both of those fights.

00:24:08.000 But the point is, he's had issues with his cardio in his career before because he's super jacked and everything he does is super fast.

00:24:18.000 A lot of exploding...

00:24:20.000 Yeah, there's a lot of X factors in that too because Jan's style is super efficient as far as energy goes. 1.00

00:24:28.000 He's super comfortable just keeping a guard up and getting hit.

00:24:31.000 And that's not easy to be comfortable there, especially when you're wearing little gloves.

00:24:36.000 Right.

00:24:37.000 Which he's very, very comfortable being there, which I think helps him.

00:24:41.000 With Sterling, he's been really outspoken about, I'm going to wrestle this guy for 25 minutes.

00:24:46.000 Yeah.

00:24:46.000 Which also is really interesting to me too because I have seen that in Sterling's fights too where he's gotten tired in three round fights.

00:24:53.000 And just to think that he's going to wrestle a guy for 25 minutes, wrestling is the hardest part.

00:25:00.000 I don't know, man.

00:25:01.000 The other thing about, people forget, Jose Aldo's high-level black belt.

00:25:06.000 Jose Aldo beat Cabrinha in a straight-up jiu-jitsu tournament.

00:25:10.000 And Aldo couldn't do shit with Piotr when it came to the ground. 0.88

00:25:14.000 Piotr was on top. 0.93

00:25:15.000 Aldo never really got a good position for any length of time in a grappling situation with him. 0.99

00:25:21.000 The guy's fucking strong. 0.96

00:25:23.000 You saw that in the Uriah Faber fight. 0.99

00:25:25.000 He just bullied him around.

00:25:26.000 He's very physically strong.

00:25:29.000 And again, just really smart when he applies pressure.

00:25:33.000 And over a five-round fight, he's been into the deep waters of the fourth championship rounds.

00:25:40.000 I'm curious.

00:25:41.000 Very curious.

00:25:42.000 Curious.

00:25:42.000 But curious to see if he can stop that shot.

00:25:44.000 Because if Aljamain gets him, and gets him while he's fresh, and while they're both fairly dry, he could be in real trouble.

00:25:51.000 Because Aljamain knows how to close the show.

00:25:53.000 Yep, yep.

00:25:54.000 He does.

00:25:54.000 Great fight.

00:25:55.000 Great fight.

00:25:55.000 Yeah, it is a great fight.

00:25:56.000 Great fight.

00:25:56.000 Yeah, it's gonna be super entertaining.

00:25:58.000 That whole card is gonna be super entertaining.

00:26:00.000 It's so crazy to me how stacked the 135-pound division is and how shallow the 125-pound division is.

00:26:06.000 10 pounds.

00:26:07.000 It's the only weight class in the UFC where the 10-pound difference is all...

00:26:11.000 I mean, you got Figueredo and Brandon Moreno.

00:26:15.000 You got some good fighters at 125. You got some good fighters.

00:26:19.000 But you don't have like...

00:26:21.000 A who's who, a murderer's row of contenders like you do at 35. At 35, you've got so many killers.

00:26:27.000 And Henry Cejudo's always threatening to come back again.

00:26:31.000 That's probably the big name, right, in the 135-pound division, if you want to make some money.

00:26:36.000 Yeah.

00:26:36.000 I mean, yeah, if he's being serious, who knows what that guy's doing.

00:26:39.000 I will say though, I'll give him some credit, I think he's getting better at being cringy.

00:26:45.000 I think he's getting better at it, man. 1.00

00:26:46.000 When he first came out with that shit, I was like, man, this guy needs to stop. 1.00

00:26:50.000 I was like, this guy's not going to have anything that he can do after this. 1.00

00:26:53.000 Well, if you talk to him in person, he's so personable and likable and friendly and smart.

00:27:02.000 That you gotta know he's having fun.

00:27:05.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:27:06.000 And then it's an act.

00:27:06.000 Yeah.

00:27:07.000 But, listen man, the guy can fucking fight. 1.00

00:27:09.000 He can fight fucking too. 0.99

00:27:10.000 I watched the Dominic Cruz fight again yesterday in the gym and I was like, man, that was a fucking hell of a performance. 0.99

00:27:16.000 Hell of a performance. 0.89

00:27:18.000 Do you feel like, because, I mean, you get to watch these shows live, are you reading the guy's demeanors when they're walking out and when they're walking into the cage and are you really trying to read them and be like, are they ready, are they not ready?

00:27:32.000 Not really.

00:27:32.000 Not at a championship level.

00:27:34.000 Championship level, basically everybody's ready.

00:27:36.000 You do see some extra nerves with people.

00:27:40.000 I felt like there's a heightened amount of nerves for Gilbert Burns.

00:27:46.000 I felt like, you know, because it's just this big moment.

00:27:49.000 And, you know, obviously performed really good out of the gate, but seemed to slow down early in the first round and then was pretty tired in the second round.

00:27:57.000 His mouth was open.

00:27:58.000 And I think it might have been an adrenaline dump.

00:28:00.000 It might have had something to do with it.

00:28:01.000 And I think that's a big factor.

00:28:04.000 Like here he is, all of a sudden, this is the dream.

00:28:06.000 You know, it's actually happening.

00:28:08.000 You've been thinking about it for years and years and years and all those days of training. 0.91

00:28:11.000 Every time you're tired and you're doing rounds in the bag or you're hitting the mitts, you're like, one day I'm going to be the fucking champion and all this is going to be worth it. 0.90

00:28:18.000 And then that day's here. 0.90

00:28:20.000 And that's a big moment for people.

00:28:21.000 Yep.

00:28:22.000 But Usman has been there.

00:28:23.000 He's been in that moment many times and he looked cool as a cucumber.

00:28:27.000 He just looked composed.

00:28:29.000 And even when he got hurt, that was the big thing.

00:28:32.000 When Usman got hurt and rocked, total composure.

00:28:36.000 Even while hurt.

00:28:37.000 No sense of panic, nothing at all.

00:28:39.000 He's like, okay, okay, okay.

00:28:41.000 Usman's a hell of a competitor, man.

00:28:44.000 Dude, when I watch guys compete, he's up there, Cejudo's up there, where I'm just like, yep, these guys, they know how to turn it on.

00:28:52.000 They don't have any quit or loser in them.

00:28:55.000 There's none.

00:28:55.000 There's zero.

00:28:56.000 There's no that feeling of being in a fight and like...

00:29:02.000 Oh, he's getting a little ahead.

00:29:04.000 He's getting a little ahead. 1.00

00:29:05.000 It's always like, I got this shit. 1.00

00:29:06.000 I got this shit. 1.00

00:29:07.000 No self-doubt. 1.00

00:29:08.000 A great example that also is if you look at the Tyron Woodley fight.

00:29:15.000 This is his first fight for the title, right?

00:29:19.000 I mean, this is the big one.

00:29:20.000 He's fighting Tyron Woodley.

00:29:21.000 Tyron Woodley's super dominant.

00:29:23.000 And he looked like the champ.

00:29:25.000 He looked like the champ, like he was defending the title. 1.00

00:29:27.000 Just put a fucking show on. 1.00

00:29:28.000 Dominated, you know? 1.00

00:29:30.000 I mean, he had a rough goal at the top too though, right?

00:29:32.000 Like Usman was, I mean, from my knowledge, I don't know too well, but to my knowledge, he was like begging for that shot for a long time.

00:29:41.000 He was fighting the top guys, top guys over and over and over again.

00:29:45.000 And actually, you know, Usman's been training with us a little bit too.

00:29:49.000 And while I'm not super close with him, I'm super close to one of his main training partners, Carrington Banks.

00:29:54.000 And Carrington was telling me that he watched Usman go through the same thing that I feel like I was going through for a little bit too, where it's like, man, you just got to keep winning.

00:30:06.000 Trust the process.

00:30:07.000 How old are you now?

00:30:09.000 28. Perfect.

00:30:11.000 It's the perfect time to be a top contender, right?

00:30:14.000 That's like you're in your prime, but you've got a lot of room.

00:30:18.000 You've got a lot of room to keep getting better and keep growing.

00:30:21.000 I think I have a lot of room to get better, you know, which is a really good feeling.

00:30:29.000 I really started feeling like that when I went out, like I said, to train with Ryan Hall.

00:30:34.000 Like that guy really changed a lot of things in my brain about how to look at combat sports and how to...

00:30:40.000 Really?

00:30:40.000 Oh man.

00:30:41.000 How so?

00:30:41.000 Dude, if there's one...

00:30:42.000 I'll butcher everything because he's just such an intelligent guy.

00:30:47.000 Super smart guy.

00:30:48.000 Super smart guy, but I think almost above him being smart is he's just so thoughtful, man.

00:30:54.000 With his game, he's just so thoughtful in the amount of...

00:30:59.000 You know, just thinking and, hey, can they do this?

00:31:02.000 Can they do this?

00:31:03.000 Okay, I have an answer for this, this, and this.

00:31:05.000 Like, the guy has an answer for almost everything.

00:31:07.000 And I think that the way that he views things and the advice that he gives to me is just like so fundamental and like...

00:31:16.000 It just makes so much sense.

00:31:18.000 So an example of that would be, I have terrible posture usually.

00:31:21.000 Like it's getting a little bit better, but like before it was like this, like hunched over, I had neck issues, shoulders issues, back issues and all of that.

00:31:28.000 Me too.

00:31:29.000 Yeah.

00:31:29.000 Same thing, yeah.

00:31:30.000 Yeah, you have good shoulders.

00:31:31.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:31:31.000 I always used to sit like this and I used to stand like this and then I realized I was like, you're fucking my back up. 0.98

00:31:36.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:31:36.000 Like you start getting pains back here. 0.96

00:31:38.000 Yeah.

00:31:38.000 So I try to, as much, these chairs help a lot.

00:31:41.000 Yeah, these are nice chairs.

00:31:42.000 Yeah, these are dope.

00:31:43.000 They're really comfortable.

00:31:44.000 How did you fix it?

00:31:46.000 Just being aware of it.

00:31:47.000 Oh, okay.

00:31:47.000 Being really aware of it, do it all the time.

00:31:49.000 That never worked for me.

00:31:50.000 No? 0.99

00:31:50.000 No, I had to, like, strengthen some shit, you know? 0.99

00:31:52.000 I think I was just too weak in a lot of areas, so I had to strengthen some stuff, but... 0.98

00:31:58.000 Ryan taught me, and it's super simple, but it makes a huge difference.

00:32:02.000 It's like, hey man, you can't be strong like this.

00:32:04.000 No one goes up to a squat rack and does this.

00:32:08.000 You squat like this.

00:32:09.000 And he's like, when you're grappling, you need to know when you need to be like this and when you need to be foldy and bendy and I'm longer and when to tangle people up and when not to tangle people up.

00:32:20.000 And You can't be strong like this. 0.99

00:32:22.000 So he was like, you need to fix that shit right away. 1.00

00:32:25.000 And that's just one of the examples. 0.98

00:32:28.000 I try not to talk too highly of him because I feel like I don't want to seem like I have a dude crush on the guy.

00:32:40.000 But you do a little?

00:32:42.000 Yeah, I wish I was him.

00:32:43.000 I wish I was him.

00:32:46.000 He's on the Lex Friedman podcast.

00:32:48.000 He did an episode and he was really good.

00:32:51.000 Yeah.

00:32:52.000 Like surprisingly intelligent.

00:32:55.000 Yeah.

00:32:56.000 And, you know, to be honest, I think he hides a lot of it, too.

00:33:00.000 You know, like I listened to that podcast and I was like, yeah, he's just being a little bit humble.

00:33:05.000 But I feel like this dude is just like, you know.

00:33:08.000 Well, you know, the really great jujitsu guys are all really smart.

00:33:11.000 You can be physical, you know, you can explode and be fast and be strong and hold people down.

00:33:17.000 But to really understand the game, it's like I said, like someone said to Eddie Bravo, they were talking about jujitsu being like chess.

00:33:25.000 He's like...

00:33:26.000 He goes, chess pieces can only move one way.

00:33:29.000 He goes like, you have a rook, you go that way.

00:33:32.000 You've got a queen, you can do this.

00:33:34.000 A knight can do that. 1.00

00:33:35.000 He's like, your body can do so much shit. 1.00

00:33:38.000 It's so much more complicated than chess. 0.99

00:33:40.000 Plus, you get tired and you get nervous.

00:33:42.000 Plus, you can't breathe when someone's got you in a body triangle.

00:33:46.000 There's all those other factors.

00:33:47.000 Plus, you have to prepare your game pieces.

00:33:51.000 Your game pieces have to be in shape.

00:33:53.000 It's not like you just show up...

00:33:55.000 I don't want to be fat with a cigarette and a cup of coffee in the park and play chess.

00:33:59.000 No, your body has to be prepared.

00:34:01.000 You have to be well rested.

00:34:02.000 You have to have endurance.

00:34:04.000 I mean, and you have to be ready.

00:34:07.000 I think that one thing that separates jiu-jitsu and all the combat sports versus like football and maybe not football, but basketball, tennis, you know, all of those other ones is no one walks into a basketball game and is like, I might get knocked out tonight.

00:34:19.000 No one walks in with that extra anxiety.

00:34:23.000 While jiu-jitsu, you might not get knocked out, it's also like, this guy might rip my knee off.

00:34:28.000 Or this guy might choke me out unconscious in front of a bunch of people.

00:34:32.000 That's another really interesting part about combat sports, I think, too.

00:34:36.000 It's that extra level, and I think that's what makes it so different.

00:34:40.000 It's that extra level of...

00:34:43.000 Man, you have to worry about getting hurt.

00:34:45.000 In what world do you usually ever have to worry about getting hurt?

00:34:49.000 Really getting hurt.

00:34:50.000 Really getting hurt.

00:34:51.000 I remember when Husamar and Paul Harris would fight, everybody was so terrified of that guy.

00:34:55.000 Because he wouldn't let go.

00:34:56.000 Because he would hold onto heel hooks.

00:34:58.000 So not only was...

00:34:59.000 I mean, the dude was like 5'7". 0.69

00:35:03.000 200 and whatever the fuck pounds he was before he cut down to 185. Just so stacked and so strong. 0.88

00:35:10.000 When he would get a hold of people, you could see it in their eyes.

00:35:13.000 They were like, Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:35:14.000 And then he would dive on your fucking leg and heel hook you. 1.00

00:35:17.000 And then he had this habit of holding on to submissions. 1.00

00:35:21.000 Yeah.

00:35:21.000 To the point where, you know, they kicked him out of the UFC for it.

00:35:24.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:35:24.000 I mean, who the fuck gets kicked out of the UFC for being successful? 0.96

00:35:28.000 Paul Harris. 0.98

00:35:29.000 He was the only guy.

00:35:30.000 Where he held on so many times. 0.98

00:35:33.000 They're like, dude, get the fuck out of here. 0.74

00:35:35.000 Yeah, he was getting ready to fight. 0.74

00:35:37.000 Or when Nate Marquardt, because High Altitude used to be Nate Marquardt's gym.

00:35:41.000 That's when I was training with all those guys, too.

00:35:43.000 And, you know, when Nate was going to fight Paul Harris outside.

00:35:46.000 Well, Nate did something really smart.

00:35:47.000 Nate got really sweaty before that fight.

00:35:51.000 So he came in super sweaty.

00:35:53.000 And I remember Paul Harris went for a leg, and Nate pulled his leg out.

00:35:57.000 And Paul Harris pointed his leg, trying to say that it was greased up.

00:36:00.000 And they actually checked his leg.

00:36:01.000 It wasn't greased up.

00:36:02.000 It was just sweaty.

00:36:03.000 How do you sweaty up your legs?

00:36:05.000 If you put on a warm-up thing, if you put on one of them plastic track suits or one of them sweat suits, those sauna suits, like a rubber suit, you could get super slippery. 0.96

00:36:18.000 If you do that right before you go into the octagon, you can get real fucking slippery.

00:36:22.000 Yeah, I guess you're right.

00:36:23.000 Eat a lot of butter, too, maybe.

00:36:25.000 Maybe.

00:36:25.000 Well, that was the unscrupulous fighters in the past.

00:36:30.000 One thing they used to do was the night before the fight, they would bathe in mineral oil.

00:36:36.000 So they would lie in a bath and they would fill the bathtub up with mineral oil and water.

00:36:42.000 And so your whole body is covered in water.

00:36:45.000 And you take a shower, but you're still sleek and slick.

00:36:48.000 What?

00:36:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:49.000 And so you're not technically greased up, but as soon as you start getting sweaty, you are so hard to hold on to.

00:36:57.000 What?

00:36:58.000 Is that legal still?

00:36:59.000 I don't think it is.

00:37:00.000 I don't know, though.

00:37:01.000 It doesn't sound illegal.

00:37:02.000 You could take Abilene and rub it all over you like a lot of guys do before they train.

00:37:07.000 But you could do that and wash it off.

00:37:10.000 And even when you wash it off, you're still kind of slick.

00:37:13.000 I guarantee you people do it.

00:37:15.000 I don't know if Vander Lee Silva did it, but I know people accused him of doing it. 0.98

00:37:19.000 Vander Lee Silva, I think, put Vic's vapor rub all over his chest, too, and so he would grab guys and pull them in, and they'd get fucking Vic's vapor rub in their eyes and shit mixed with the sweat.

00:37:32.000 You ever rolled with anyone that has rubbed their bodies down with tile oil? 0.95

00:37:38.000 No, like tile liniment?

00:37:39.000 No. 0.99

00:37:40.000 That sucks. 0.99

00:37:41.000 That stuff's not good to get in your eyes. 0.99

00:37:43.000 Because you kind of smell it, and then you're just like, why are my eyes burning?

00:37:47.000 Yeah.

00:37:48.000 And then you just...

00:37:49.000 I don't remember who accused Vanderlei of doing that.

00:37:51.000 I don't know if it was even accurate.

00:37:52.000 I think it was one of his early UFC fights that he won with knees, and he grabbed the guy and pulled him into him.

00:37:58.000 But it might be an excuse.

00:38:00.000 Who knows?

00:38:00.000 But I would imagine somewhere along the line, people have used every single way to get away from a grappler.

00:38:06.000 Yeah.

00:38:07.000 You know?

00:38:07.000 Make yourself more slippery.

00:38:09.000 Yeah.

00:38:09.000 People can get pretty creative in the ways that they can get advantages.

00:38:13.000 Yeah, because even if you're not using, like, legitimate grease, right?

00:38:17.000 You're not putting Vaseline on.

00:38:19.000 What if you're just using, like, body moisturizer?

00:38:23.000 And you're putting a lot of it on, then you dry it off.

00:38:26.000 Yeah.

00:38:26.000 And then they touch you, and it's like, well, I mean, it doesn't have...

00:38:29.000 How do they know if you have grease on?

00:38:31.000 Nah, I've never been grease checked.

00:38:34.000 That's interesting.

00:38:35.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:38:36.000 That's kind of crazy.

00:38:36.000 That's actually a thing, you know, like, I'll make sure that I'm using chapstick and stuff for the couple of weeks leading into a fight and make sure that I'm, like, moisturizing my face and stuff leading up to a fight because, I mean, I get real dry skin just because I'm so pasty.

00:38:50.000 You know, I go out into the sun for five minutes and everything's cracking.

00:38:54.000 That's another thing too, right?

00:38:55.000 The Vaseline that they put on your face to prevent cuts and things along those lines. 0.99

00:39:01.000 That shit gets all over the place everywhere when you start sweating. 0.97

00:39:04.000 I've seen guys do the, you know, like... 0.99

00:39:07.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:08.000 Anderson Silva.

00:39:10.000 That was a thing with Anderson Silva.

00:39:12.000 It was a big controversy back in the day, where one of Anderson Silva's fights, they vaselined up his face, and then he takes his face, rubs his fingers, and he starts doing this. 0.99

00:39:22.000 He put the vaseline on his body, and everybody's like, what the fuck? 0.97

00:39:26.000 It was a big controversy. 0.99

00:39:27.000 Now I'm just remembering this.

00:39:29.000 Can't hate on guys for trying to get little advantages like that.

00:39:32.000 I almost appreciate it.

00:39:33.000 Actually, on the way over here, the driver was a really big boxing fan.

00:39:37.000 And he was just talking about Tyson biting people's ears and Evander Holyfield.

00:39:43.000 Just how dirty old school boxing used to be.

00:39:47.000 And it's like, I can appreciate that.

00:39:49.000 I can appreciate that mentality.

00:39:52.000 One was a crazy one because it seemed like Tyson wanted to get out of the fight.

00:39:58.000 But it also seemed like he was angry because Evander did leave with his head and Tyson was getting cut.

00:40:04.000 Because Evander would put his head down and plow forward and throw.

00:40:10.000 And I think Tyson felt like he was trying to headbutt him.

00:40:13.000 Probably was.

00:40:14.000 Maybe.

00:40:15.000 They're trying to have a third fight together.

00:40:20.000 See that?

00:40:21.000 Evander called him out on his Instagram yesterday.

00:40:23.000 Yesterday?

00:40:24.000 Yeah.

00:40:25.000 He looks good, man.

00:40:26.000 He looks good.

00:40:27.000 He's hitting the mitts.

00:40:28.000 Why not?

00:40:29.000 Yeah.

00:40:29.000 I'll probably watch it.

00:40:31.000 The thing is, they've got to make it a real fight.

00:40:33.000 It seemed like the Roy Jones Jr. fight.

00:40:36.000 I don't want to make any speculation because I looked forward to that fight.

00:40:39.000 I was excited about it.

00:40:40.000 Two legends.

00:40:41.000 But it seemed like there might have been an agreement to not hit each other too hard in the head.

00:40:45.000 It seems like a lot of Tyson's big bombs were at Roy's body.

00:40:49.000 Yeah.

00:40:51.000 Or maybe it was just like an unwritten thing where they're like, you know, like, hey man.

00:40:56.000 Yeah, let's just make some money here and not get any more brain damage.

00:41:01.000 Especially Roy.

00:41:02.000 I mean, he's a 168-pound champion, won at 175, and he did beat John Ruiz at heavyweight, but he wasn't a legitimate heavyweight.

00:41:09.000 He was just so fast and so skilled that he could beat the heavyweight champion.

00:41:14.000 But he's not heavyweight like Mike Tyson is a heavyweight. 0.99

00:41:17.000 Mike Tyson is a fucking heavyweight. 0.96

00:41:19.000 One of the greatest heavyweight knockout artists the world has ever known. 0.99

00:41:23.000 It's a different thing.

00:41:24.000 He went in that fight looking dense, bro.

00:41:27.000 He looked good.

00:41:28.000 He looked dense.

00:41:29.000 He looked good.

00:41:30.000 Yeah, he looked good.

00:41:30.000 I don't know what kind of drug test they gave them.

00:41:33.000 They said they gave them tests.

00:41:35.000 But I would say, listen, we don't need any tests. 1.00

00:41:39.000 Let's cut the shits. 0.99

00:41:40.000 We were just talking about Overeem not being in the UFC anymore. 1.00

00:41:44.000 I say send that dude to 1FC and let him juice to the gills. 0.90

00:41:49.000 Let's get back to the old ways.

00:41:51.000 Let's see what's up.

00:41:52.000 I want to see the Overeem that fought Brock Lesnar.

00:41:55.000 I want to see that show up again where everybody knows.

00:41:58.000 I mean, come on.

00:42:00.000 I hope he fights somewhere if he wants to.

00:42:02.000 If he wants to.

00:42:04.000 He's what, 38, 39?

00:42:06.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 I mean, that guy's been in the game a long, long time.

00:42:10.000 How many times can you get out of bed and still want to do it?

00:42:12.000 He apparently still does, which is crazy.

00:42:15.000 And you look at that guy's accolades.

00:42:17.000 I mean, there's very few human beings in combat sports that have the accolades that guy has.

00:42:21.000 First of all, won the Abu Dhabi European trials.

00:42:25.000 Crazy, right?

00:42:26.000 So he wins European Abu Dhabis as a pro MMA fighter.

00:42:30.000 Became the dream heavyweight champion.

00:42:33.000 Became the Strikeforce heavyweight champion.

00:42:35.000 Won the K-1 Grand Prix. 1.00

00:42:37.000 I mean, what the fuck, man? 0.99

00:42:39.000 That is crazy. 1.00

00:42:40.000 If you look at all the things that guy's accomplished in combat sports.

00:42:44.000 Yeah, and I mean, we were talking about him a little bit before, but he's...

00:42:49.000 I was so impressed with just how eager he was to learn, you know, because he's been training with us for about the last year at Elevation.

00:42:58.000 I was just like, damn man, this guy's still like, he's so capable of learning too. 0.77

00:43:03.000 You know, like you kind of see fighters get a little bit older and you're like, it's wired, you know, they're wired. 0.99

00:43:09.000 They're not trying to learn.

00:43:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:11.000 And he was just like so capable of learning.

00:43:14.000 I thought that that was really cool.

00:43:15.000 That's the real question.

00:43:17.000 What stops someone from getting better?

00:43:19.000 Is it age and injuries or is it inspiration?

00:43:24.000 Do they look at it like a young guy?

00:43:26.000 Because young fighters who are just starting to enter into their prime, they're constantly trying to add new things to their game.

00:43:37.000 They're working with different people.

00:43:38.000 They're constantly trying to improve because they don't feel like they're there yet.

00:43:42.000 And then some guys that have been there before, they've fought for the title, they've fought top contenders, and then you see this kind of pattern emerges, where they basically do the same thing, they fight the same way, and they're kind of protecting themselves from certain injuries that they have that might be chronic, and they don't grow and learn.

00:43:59.000 And you always wonder, is that because of the injuries and the age, or is that just because of the attitude as well?

00:44:05.000 I think it'd be hard, man.

00:44:07.000 I think it'd be hard being that and accomplishing everything that you've wanted to accomplish and then still getting there.

00:44:16.000 I could only imagine. 0.96

00:44:17.000 I don't know because I haven't accomplished all the shit that I want to accomplish. 0.64

00:44:21.000 I imagine that it's really similar to... 0.91

00:44:25.000 Just stringing some really good fights together and then being like, I got this.

00:44:30.000 And then this is what I need to do.

00:44:33.000 I don't need to do any more.

00:44:34.000 And then that'd be it.

00:44:35.000 I felt that demon creep up on me a couple of times too.

00:44:39.000 The demon of complacency.

00:44:41.000 Yeah.

00:44:41.000 The demon of...

00:44:43.000 You're doing good, man.

00:44:44.000 Just, you know, you don't got to do anything else.

00:44:47.000 Take that guy. 1.00

00:44:48.000 That guy's an asshole. 1.00

00:44:49.000 Yeah, fuck that guy. 1.00

00:44:50.000 That guy will keep you from greatness. 1.00

00:44:51.000 Yeah, he will.

00:44:53.000 I try to remind myself just all the time, like, it's only going to get harder, you know?

00:45:00.000 Like, it's only going to get harder, and you got to be okay with that.

00:45:03.000 Well, it's interesting if you look historically at the evolution of MMA, the difference between MMA in 1993 and MMA today in 2021 is almost unrecognizable. 0.75

00:45:17.000 I mean, there's a lot of the same techniques are applied, but the level is so fucking high now.

00:45:23.000 Sometimes you see guys making their debut, and I'll just be like, this is crazy!

00:45:27.000 These guys are so good!

00:45:28.000 And they're making their debut! 1.00

00:45:31.000 There's a 14-year-old out there who's going to whoop my ass one day. 1.00

00:45:34.000 Dude. 1.00

00:45:34.000 Who's going to whoop my ass. 1.00

00:45:36.000 Where was that video from that I posted that we pulled up the other day that was that little girl who was six years old? 0.99

00:45:43.000 Whose page was that on?

00:45:45.000 Was she like punching the tree?

00:45:46.000 No, I've seen that girl. 0.99

00:45:47.000 That girl was savage too. 1.00

00:45:48.000 Yeah, that girl's scary. 1.00

00:45:49.000 That girl's a little older, but this girl was tiny.

00:45:52.000 And she was...

00:45:55.000 Who's Instagram was it?

00:45:56.000 Do you remember?

00:45:57.000 It was someone that we know.

00:45:59.000 Anyway, she was hitting the pads, and they had a balance ball, and she was using that for leg kicks because she was so small.

00:46:08.000 The guy was leaning on that, holding the pads for her, and then she would leg kick the ball. 0.99

00:46:14.000 Fucking perfect technique. 0.99

00:46:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:16.000 At six. 0.99

00:46:17.000 I mean, perfect.

00:46:18.000 Everything was just crisp and fast.

00:46:23.000 And you're like, my God.

00:46:25.000 Remember who it was? 1.00

00:46:27.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:46:27.000 It was someone we know. 1.00

00:46:29.000 Had it on their page.

00:46:31.000 I don't know how you can get kids that coordinated that young.

00:46:33.000 Some of them just have it, dude.

00:46:35.000 You think?

00:46:35.000 Yeah.

00:46:36.000 Some kids are coordinated. 0.99

00:46:37.000 I have one daughter that's really coordinated and super, super athletic and one daughter who doesn't give a fuck. 0.98

00:46:43.000 She likes to play sports and she plays lacrosse and basketball. 0.99

00:46:47.000 She likes sports and she does it. 0.99

00:46:49.000 She's not obsessed the way my other daughter is. 0.98

00:46:53.000 My other daughter's obsessed with technique and she does gymnastics and she can do all kinds of crazy shit and backflips and roundoffs and handsprings. 1.00

00:47:02.000 Just a different type of spirit, huh? 0.97

00:47:04.000 It's just weird.

00:47:05.000 Yeah, it's weird, huh?

00:47:06.000 One of them really loves art.

00:47:11.000 Some kids are just...

00:47:12.000 I think some of it is genetic, for sure.

00:47:15.000 If you get super athletes and they have kids, you take two super athletes and they breed and they make a super athlete baby, that's logical.

00:47:23.000 But sometimes you have kids that their parents are normal and they come out and they're just freaks.

00:47:29.000 My parents were super normal.

00:47:30.000 Not that I'm a freak athlete or anything, but my parents were super normal.

00:47:34.000 We took my mom to Topgolf one time.

00:47:38.000 I was like, what are you kidding me?

00:47:40.000 She couldn't figure it out?

00:47:41.000 Bro, I was like, that's not even...

00:47:43.000 I was like, in your head, I know you've seen someone swing a golf club.

00:47:47.000 Like, that's not what...

00:47:47.000 That's what you think you're doing with this?

00:47:49.000 She's like chopping it. 0.99

00:47:51.000 She's like trying to chop the ball in half, dude. 1.00

00:47:53.000 I was like, what are you doing?

00:47:54.000 It's funny people that have never done anything like athletics.

00:47:58.000 It's funny watching them as adults try to do stuff.

00:48:01.000 I remember there's been a few guys coming to jiu-jitsu that had really never done anything. 0.95

00:48:07.000 They just decided, I'm going to just fucking try this. 0.55

00:48:10.000 And you'd see them trying to move their body, and they'd have a big belly and little small arms, and you're like, man, you've got a long road to go, but... 0.96

00:48:19.000 Kudos to you for just...

00:48:21.000 Because if you're an athlete, say if you're a guy who wrestled or maybe you did a lot of CrossFit or something, and then you enter into a Jiu-Jitsu class, well, hey, you got a lot of tools to work with.

00:48:32.000 You got a body that you're accustomed to moving around, you understand what it's like to push yourself.

00:48:37.000 But if you're a person who's never done anything, and then all of a sudden here you are with a gi on and someone's grabbing you and you're like, or you don't know what to do, that's a brave person to take that step.

00:48:48.000 It's a dangerous person.

00:48:52.000 Dangerous person to train with?

00:48:53.000 Yeah.

00:48:54.000 That's a dangerous person.

00:48:55.000 They don't know where their hand is in space, bro.

00:48:58.000 They're trying to grab you here and they're like putting their fingers in your mouth.

00:49:01.000 That can happen too.

00:49:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:03.000 That can happen too.

00:49:03.000 But yeah, man...

00:49:05.000 I don't know.

00:49:06.000 I think jiu-jitsu is so good for like, because I'll teach the kids program at High Altitude Martial Arts to kickboxing, but like, man, like, I see a lot of adults, bro, they're just not familiar with the way that their body can move, you know?

00:49:18.000 Like, I sometimes imagine, I'm like, man, like...

00:49:21.000 Have you done anything like full throttle? 0.98

00:49:23.000 Like how many people you think haven't done shit full throttle? 0.98

00:49:26.000 A lot. 0.99

00:49:27.000 A lot. 0.98

00:49:28.000 If you walk into an office building and just wander through the hallway, like most people are not doing a goddamn thing with themselves. 0.85

00:49:35.000 Or if they did, it was like when they were kids. 0.93

00:49:37.000 Yeah.

00:49:37.000 It's kind of sad.

00:49:39.000 You have one body.

00:49:40.000 You should know how to use it.

00:49:41.000 You should move it around a little bit, at least.

00:49:43.000 I agree with you.

00:49:43.000 It's like having a car that you never drive.

00:49:45.000 You just leave it in the garage.

00:49:46.000 A lot of people do that, too.

00:49:48.000 A lot of people do that, too.

00:49:50.000 It's interesting to see the progression, though, of the sport.

00:49:55.000 There's no real sport from 1993 that's unrecognizable like MMA is.

00:50:01.000 I can't think of one.

00:50:04.000 Basketball wasn't too much different.

00:50:05.000 No.

00:50:06.000 No.

00:50:07.000 That's the Jordan days. 1.00

00:50:08.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:50:09.000 You take Jordan out of, you know, the 1990s and put him in 2021, he could fucking compete with anybody. 0.95

00:50:16.000 Yeah. 0.84

00:50:16.000 You know, the elites of then were... 0.84

00:50:19.000 But the sport of MMA, it's just totally different.

00:50:22.000 It's so different.

00:50:23.000 Yeah.

00:50:23.000 In every way.

00:50:24.000 It's evolving really quick, and I think probably a lot of it, man, is because, you know, like, you become a coach in MMA because you were probably a fighter.

00:50:34.000 Yeah.

00:50:34.000 And, uh...

00:50:37.000 When something I think is so early on, you don't even know how to teach those people.

00:50:43.000 You know what I mean? 0.97

00:50:43.000 If I'm in 1993 and someone's like, hey, we're doing no rules fighting and I'm a wrestler, I'm going to teach them all the shit that I know about wrestling. 0.97

00:50:52.000 I'm not going to weave out all of the things that are actually efficient for an actual fist fight.

00:50:57.000 I'm just going to teach them everything that I know about wrestling.

00:51:01.000 Now you don't have coaches that do that.

00:51:03.000 Now you have coaches that are like...

00:51:05.000 This is what's good for fighting.

00:51:06.000 This is what's good for fighting.

00:51:09.000 That filter is happening still.

00:51:12.000 I think that's why guys are getting so good so fast.

00:51:15.000 I would imagine even kids learning wrestling.

00:51:19.000 They know submissions.

00:51:22.000 Young kids that are learning wrestling.

00:51:24.000 Someone's going to show them.

00:51:25.000 Hey man, if you do this right here and then grab it like that. 0.99

00:51:28.000 You can fuck somebody up. 0.99

00:51:31.000 They're already doing grappling. 0.99

00:51:33.000 Yeah.

00:51:33.000 They must learn submissions.

00:51:35.000 So, yeah.

00:51:36.000 I mean, I follow a couple of Instagram wrestling pages and stuff.

00:51:40.000 And to me, it's super interesting.

00:51:42.000 I mean, because wrestling definitely has influenced the jiu-jitsu world.

00:51:46.000 But it's interesting to me to watch it go the other direction.

00:51:48.000 Where you're seeing people like...

00:51:51.000 I forget what I was watching.

00:51:52.000 But a guy jumps for a flying triangle.

00:51:56.000 But, like, controls the guy's arm in a way where he can roll the guy, you know?

00:51:59.000 In a wrestling match?

00:52:01.000 In a wrestling match.

00:52:02.000 He jumped for a flying triangle in a wrestling match?

00:52:04.000 Yeah, and the arm is stuck in, and he controls his arm, so when he jumps, he controls the arm and just rolls it through.

00:52:09.000 Boom, and pins the guy.

00:52:11.000 And it's like...

00:52:12.000 Are you allowed to do that?

00:52:13.000 I think so.

00:52:14.000 You can fly and triangle a guy in a wrestling match?

00:52:16.000 I mean, you can't choke him.

00:52:17.000 I don't think you can lock your legs.

00:52:18.000 You can hold it.

00:52:19.000 I mean, you can roll him and pin him with it, right?

00:52:22.000 And then a lot of the leg scrambling that I'm seeing from wrestlers, maybe they got it from jiu-jitsu or maybe jiu-jitsu got it from them, but I'm seeing a lot of similarities in the way that people tangle themselves and scrambles on the legs and stuff.

00:52:36.000 That's super interesting just to watch the two grappling worlds kind of mesh into one.

00:52:40.000 Yeah.

00:52:41.000 Well, the guillotine, not the guillotine like this one, but the guillotine in wrestling, or they would call it guillotine, became the twister in jiu-jitsu.

00:52:48.000 Is that what they call it?

00:52:49.000 The guillotine in wrestling versus the guillotine?

00:52:52.000 Well, it's like...

00:52:53.000 They're like, no, it's a guillotine.

00:52:54.000 I remember guys calling it the guillotine.

00:52:57.000 But it's a position where you would hold a guy for a pin, and then Eddie Bravo turned it into the twister.

00:53:06.000 The twister comes from this sort of similar leg entanglement that a lot of guys were using in wrestling.

00:53:12.000 The banana split type of position.

00:53:14.000 Do you know the twister?

00:53:17.000 When you're in the back, like say if you're holding someone's back, you lock down on the left leg, you wrap their right arm around your neck, so you baseball bat their right arm, You wrap it around your head, grab the top of their head, and it's a terrible spine lock.

00:53:32.000 But it came from pinning someone that way.

00:53:35.000 So if you can get to the side of them and lock a hold of one leg and lean on them, you can get to a point where the guy's both shoulders are touching the mat.

00:53:44.000 And it's a good control position.

00:53:46.000 That's where Eddie got that from?

00:53:47.000 Yeah, he got up from wrestling.

00:53:48.000 Oh, that's awesome.

00:53:48.000 Yeah, that's awesome.

00:53:49.000 Eddie was a wrestler, but he wasn't strong when he was a kid, so he's a leg rider.

00:53:53.000 A lot of guys who are not physically strong as wrestlers become leg riders.

00:53:57.000 Yeah.

00:53:58.000 And so he, when he got into jiu-jitsu, did a lot of leg transition stuff.

00:54:02.000 One of his big things, when I first met him, he was...

00:54:06.000 Either a blue belt or a purple belt.

00:54:08.000 I think he was a purple belt.

00:54:10.000 And he was doing a lot of, like, toe holds.

00:54:13.000 He was catching a lot of people in toe holds.

00:54:15.000 So he would kind of use his legs.

00:54:18.000 His upper body wasn't strong. 1.00

00:54:19.000 And that motherfucker, when he met me, never lifted weights. 1.00

00:54:22.000 I'm like, dude, I'm going to lift. 1.00

00:54:24.000 Come lift me. 1.00

00:54:24.000 He's like, fuck that. 1.00

00:54:25.000 He's like, I want to go get a burrito. 1.00

00:54:27.000 And he would just, like, get high.

00:54:28.000 He'd never lifted weights at all.

00:54:30.000 Really?

00:54:30.000 Yeah, until, like...

00:54:32.000 Deep into our friendship, like a year or two, and then he started lifting weights.

00:54:35.000 He had to trust you first.

00:54:36.000 Well, he just had to realize, like, you know, if you want to compete against guys who are physically stronger than you, it helps.

00:54:43.000 It just helps a lot to be strong.

00:54:45.000 It helps a lot.

00:54:47.000 I mean, I was looking at a couple pictures of me just from a couple years ago.

00:54:52.000 Because before that, I was always like, man, lifting just makes me tired for training.

00:54:56.000 I'm not going to lift hard, you know?

00:54:57.000 But I don't have that built.

00:54:59.000 Like I said, with the posture and adding in strength so that I can be posturally strong and my hips are strong so that I'm not hunched over and I'm not all twisted up because everything's kind of strong.

00:55:09.000 I used to be very averse to wanting to lift.

00:55:13.000 But dude, I swear my cardio has probably got two or three times as better just because I started lifting so much because now it's not as much effort to get someone off of me.

00:55:23.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:55:24.000 Yeah, I mean, I might be the only example of that just because I'm the only guy kind of built like me in the division.

00:55:29.000 Everyone else might need to, you know, go on a couple trail runs or something instead.

00:55:33.000 You're so tall for 135. That's such an advantage.

00:55:36.000 It's such an advantage, yeah.

00:55:37.000 That length and reach is when you're trying to get a hold of someone and they can hit you literally six inches before you can get to them.

00:55:45.000 That's a big advantage.

00:55:47.000 I get to do what I want until they do something about it.

00:55:51.000 I get to do what I want until they do something about it.

00:55:54.000 So what exercises did you do to improve your posture?

00:55:59.000 A lot of carrying stuff.

00:56:01.000 Farmer's carries?

00:56:02.000 Yeah, farmer carries with shoulders back.

00:56:05.000 Honestly, a lot of focusing on it when you're lifting too.

00:56:08.000 But a lot of strengthening the hips makes all of this strong too.

00:56:11.000 The weaker your hips are, the more twisted you are, the more you're like this.

00:56:16.000 A ton of hip stuff, man.

00:56:18.000 Hip strength, everyone wants to have a really nice set of abs and all of this, but hip strength, I think, is the thing that will keep me good all the way up until I'm done training on Saturday.

00:56:31.000 Yeah.

00:56:31.000 Hip flexors.

00:56:33.000 That's a muscle that so few people work out.

00:56:36.000 And there's this guy that I follow on Instagram that's become very popular.

00:56:39.000 Jamie actually turned me on to him.

00:56:40.000 Knees over toes guy. 0.93

00:56:42.000 I saw him with Mark Bell.

00:56:43.000 Yeah, he was training with Mark Bell.

00:56:44.000 But I started implementing a lot of what he does in my training routine, and I actually got one of those monkey feet things, if you don't know what that is.

00:56:53.000 It's a thing that you strap onto your shoe, and you can attach a dumbbell to it.

00:56:58.000 So you lift...

00:56:59.000 So, like, you know, for, like, hip flexors, to get them strong, it's kind of hard to do.

00:57:05.000 But if you want to be a strong runner or if you want to throw hard knees, like, that's really where the muscle comes from.

00:57:12.000 If you think about, like, throwing a hard knee, a lot of that is...

00:57:16.000 And also with kicks.

00:57:17.000 If you think about roundhouse kicks, like...

00:57:20.000 I've been kicking since I was a little kid, so I've got pretty decent hip flexor muscles, but I don't do an exercise to work them other than this stuff.

00:57:31.000 Maybe lunges work them a little bit, but using this monkey foot thing, you can actually lift weights with your hip flexors as you're lifting your knee up, and that's all that muscle.

00:57:43.000 Yeah.

00:57:43.000 See if you can find like a video of him doing it.

00:57:46.000 But this guy has some really interesting perspective.

00:57:50.000 A really interesting perspective on strengthening all the muscles around your knee.

00:57:54.000 And he calls it knee over toes guy because traditionally, if you talk to someone, they'd say, hey, don't ever have your knee over your toes because it puts a lot of pressure on your knee.

00:58:03.000 It's bad for your knee.

00:58:04.000 And his idea is, no, build up to where you can have your knee over your toes easily. 0.99

00:58:09.000 And if you look at his Instagram, he does a lot of crazy Crazy shit. 0.96

00:58:13.000 Like where he jumps and lands with knees over toes and goes all the way down to the ground and then can spring back up. 1.00

00:58:20.000 Like this shit. 0.99

00:58:21.000 And this is a guy that's had like multiple leg surgeries. 1.00

00:58:25.000 And so look how he lands.

00:58:27.000 And he does a lot.

00:58:29.000 His Instagram, it's knees over toes guy is his Instagram.

00:58:33.000 But he's definitely got that monkey foot thing in there somewhere, Jamie.

00:58:38.000 He's doing the tib thing.

00:58:41.000 Scroll up.

00:58:42.000 I'm sorry.

00:58:42.000 That's good, too.

00:58:43.000 But scroll up to that one where he's leaning back.

00:58:45.000 Right there.

00:58:45.000 Yeah, watch this.

00:58:46.000 This is a crazy strength in his legs.

00:58:49.000 Look, he goes all the way back, which is hard to do already, and then pops all the way forward. 0.98

00:58:53.000 That's fucking hard to do, man. 0.95

00:58:56.000 And that is all those muscles that we're talking about here. 0.99

00:59:00.000 That's like hamstrings, though.

00:59:01.000 A lot of that is hamstrings, too, I think.

00:59:03.000 Yeah, because we'll do a similar thing.

00:59:05.000 I obviously can't do it as good as that guy, but yeah, hamstrings, glutes, bro.

00:59:10.000 The glutes are super important.

00:59:12.000 And you see that pose that he's got in the middle there, Jamie?

00:59:15.000 Yeah, that one with the arrow.

00:59:16.000 So that's showing the...

00:59:19.000 What happened there?

00:59:20.000 That's showing the optimal position to strengthen, like to have that sort of, what do they call it, a split squat where you have that crazy angle where your knee is hanging way over your toes and obviously you build up to it slowly.

00:59:35.000 Like he's got Miriam Nakamoto.

00:59:37.000 Do you know who she is?

00:59:38.000 Yeah, multiple time world kickboxing champion, world Muay Thai champion, my friend Miriam.

00:59:43.000 Shout out to Miriam. 0.95

00:59:44.000 She's a beast and she has a pretty significant knee injury that she's trying to Recover from and she got a bunch of stem cells and shit shot in there. 1.00

00:59:53.000 But she's now doing a lot of this guy's program to strengthen all the muscles around it. 1.00

00:59:57.000 But see how he's into doing a lot of stuff that puts you in that position. 0.98

01:00:03.000 And, I mean, the dude can fucking... 0.95

01:00:05.000 do some crazy shit athletically, but he also uses all these examples of different athletes that have incredible explosive power with their legs, and they use these kind of exercises, and they're strong in these positions. 0.99

01:00:21.000 So he shows this split squat, which is really hard to do, man. 0.98

01:00:26.000 It's really hard to get down like that with that knee hanging way out over your toes and get all the way down so your back knee touches the ground and then pull yourself back up.

01:00:35.000 But he calls it dense strength.

01:00:39.000 You're strengthening all your tendons and all the muscles to stabilize the knee and put the knee in a good position.

01:00:45.000 For kicking things, man, and for grappling, I think a lot of guys could benefit from it. 0.98

01:00:52.000 Look how flexible the fucking dude is. 0.98

01:00:53.000 Look at that picture right there. 0.99

01:00:55.000 He does a lot of stuff on slant boards.

01:00:58.000 If you go to that one, the video that we were just on, Jamie, of him doing a full split.

01:01:03.000 Yeah, that one.

01:01:04.000 So he does a lot of stuff on slant boards.

01:01:09.000 It's like a slant board, which is good for stretching your calves out.

01:01:13.000 And I started doing this because of him, too.

01:01:15.000 And drop all the way down with a barbell and go all the way down to the floor.

01:01:20.000 And it's just tremendous hamstring stretch, but also strengthening.

01:01:25.000 And you see the kind of flexibility that this guy has because of it.

01:01:29.000 I mean, if you can scoot that...

01:01:32.000 The dude can go all the way down to a full split.

01:01:35.000 And look at that, he's doing a Zurcher squat grip, like where you put it in the crux of your elbow with weights.

01:01:44.000 I don't know why he's showing someone getting slammed into a triangle.

01:01:48.000 I guess.

01:01:48.000 Picking him up?

01:01:48.000 I don't know.

01:01:50.000 You'd have to listen to him.

01:01:51.000 But a lot of great exercises.

01:01:53.000 So you can find that monkey foot thing.

01:01:55.000 He's got that in there somewhere.

01:01:57.000 I've definitely seen it on his page, but the video might not be up or it's been somewhere else.

01:02:00.000 The only thing I could find was that tibia thing, which is a very close thing too, but it's a different...

01:02:05.000 That's a different thing, but that's pretty dope too. 0.98

01:02:07.000 That's a bar where you put your feet into it and you put plates on the end of it and it works those muscles on the tibia. 0.97

01:02:16.000 And, you know, you just flex the foot up and down.

01:02:18.000 So it's like there's all these different ways you can strengthen these muscle groups that you don't fit.

01:02:23.000 Like, there's no direct way to strengthen them, like, individually that you think of.

01:02:27.000 When you think of doing squats, you know, you're strengthening them sort of.

01:02:31.000 But, you know, they're just kind of coming along for the ride, getting stronger.

01:02:34.000 Whereas this is Iceland.

01:02:35.000 That's it.

01:02:36.000 That's the monkey feet thing. 0.99

01:02:37.000 Dang, those are crazy looking.

01:02:38.000 It's dope, dude.

01:02:39.000 It's really dope.

01:02:39.000 I love it.

01:02:40.000 Because what I'll do is I'll, like, hold on to, like, a chin-up bar like this. 0.98

01:02:45.000 And then I'll just do these fucking leg lifts with my... 0.98

01:02:48.000 And you can do leg curls with it. 0.99

01:02:50.000 You can do leg lifts.

01:02:52.000 But I feel like for a guy like you who already has a... 0.99

01:02:55.000 Fucking nasty flying knee that would make your knee even scarier. 0.99

01:03:00.000 Yeah, yeah, you know that knee you landed on Frankie was crazy I was by myself watching TV and I screamed out loud You know it was one of those oh Yeah, and that's a common thing in my house people like are you okay? 0.99

01:03:16.000 I'm like watching the fights Yeah, that was a nasty one.

01:03:19.000 Dude, it was so perfect.

01:03:20.000 Yeah, it was.

01:03:21.000 You timed it so perfect.

01:03:24.000 Yeah, I mean, he wasn't doing any of the hitting the brakes, you know?

01:03:28.000 Everything he was doing was just forward, forward, forward.

01:03:31.000 He threw, you know, he threw a kick forward.

01:03:34.000 He threw a combination forward.

01:03:35.000 And I was like, oh, this guy's not hitting the brakes at all, you know?

01:03:39.000 And I was like...

01:03:42.000 Just throw something into that space that he was going to step into.

01:03:46.000 He couldn't have been more perfect.

01:03:48.000 Yeah.

01:03:49.000 It was right before he threw a punch.

01:03:52.000 Everything.

01:03:53.000 So two wicked KOs in a row like that over two top guys.

01:03:59.000 Like, you must be feeling right now that you're on, like, a whole new level.

01:04:03.000 Yeah, I'm trying not to feel too good, you know?

01:04:06.000 Because that demon, you know, that demon will tell you, hey, you're good enough, man.

01:04:09.000 You know, you're good enough, ride it out.

01:04:13.000 Yeah, I do feel good, though, man.

01:04:14.000 I feel like I think it's been noticeable, the demeanor that I go into the cage with.

01:04:20.000 It's noticeable in my brain, too.

01:04:22.000 Like, when I'm walking into the cage, I'm ready, you know, to hurt someone.

01:04:26.000 And I'm ready to...

01:04:29.000 I'm ready to snap and get that 10 weeks of thinking about it out of me.

01:04:35.000 But yeah, man, I'm super happy with it, man.

01:04:38.000 I feel like it's its own ability to figure out where you best perform.

01:04:44.000 And you don't learn that unless you have a loss or you get lucky and you get to win a fight.

01:04:52.000 But I had to lose and...

01:04:56.000 That's how you learn that stuff.

01:04:57.000 I really feel, man, when I'm in the back in that space, I feel 100% completely untouchable.

01:05:07.000 That's something that is very, very different than when I was fighting before.

01:05:12.000 Like, I'm walking into the cage now feeling 100% untouchable.

01:05:16.000 And you attribute this to the work with the mental coach as well as just you realizing that you were flat in the Aljamain fight?

01:05:22.000 Yep, yep.

01:05:23.000 And just realizing where I do best, you know?

01:05:25.000 Just realizing where I do best, like, uh...

01:05:29.000 I would love to, because I'm a calm dude, like I'm a relaxed guy, like I don't get too high or too low about anything, like it'd be nice if I could perform at that level, you know, but that's not the case for me.

01:05:40.000 So I need to really, and that's why I do it before sparring, is I'll make sure no matter how tired I am, regardless of what's going on, you know, if I'm injured, if I'm, you know, overtrained, whatever it is, when it's sparring day, I'm making sure that I get myself to that same place.

01:05:56.000 Obviously not intense enough to where I'm going to hurt my training partners, but I'm making sure that I can replicate that headspace regardless of the situation.

01:06:04.000 Yeah, you said something after the fight when you were talking to Laura Sanko.

01:06:09.000 Is that what you were talking to?

01:06:10.000 No, it was Andrea... 0.99

01:06:13.000 Whoever it was.

01:06:15.000 Yep.

01:06:15.000 That person.

01:06:16.000 You said some people go in there and they're looking to compete.

01:06:21.000 They like to compete.

01:06:22.000 And that's what they're doing.

01:06:23.000 You go there.

01:06:25.000 You're trying to hurt people.

01:06:26.000 Mm-hmm.

01:06:27.000 That's what I'm doing now.

01:06:31.000 It was really uncomfortable for me because I like Hinduism.

01:06:36.000 I like Eastern philosophy.

01:06:37.000 I like the idea of Buddhism and being really peaceful and having a Zen mind and not wanting anything and being really free from all the suffering of the world and trying to get there. 0.99

01:06:50.000 And that was kind of my philosophy, you know, up until I was choked out by Sterling and opened up my eyes and I hear him running around and celebrating and I was like, fuck that, you know? 1.00

01:07:02.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:07:03.000 Everyone that I go into a fight now with, I'm really trying to hurt, you know? 1.00

01:07:06.000 Like, I want to be the guy that's running around the cage and they're opening up their eyes, you know?

01:07:10.000 And I didn't, you know, it's a different type of space to be in and it takes a lot of practice, especially for someone like me who isn't, you know, naturally like that.

01:07:23.000 But, you know, that's the game that we're in and that's what I'm trying to do now.

01:07:28.000 How important is a loss sometimes?

01:07:30.000 Super important.

01:07:31.000 It's a reminder.

01:07:34.000 And like you said, I was just too comfortable.

01:07:36.000 I was too laid back.

01:07:37.000 I needed to remember how dangerous this sport is.

01:07:40.000 And that's one of the main things I took from that loss is that we're not playing soccer.

01:07:46.000 Don't walk into that fight not ready to go.

01:07:49.000 It's also a lesson, right?

01:07:51.000 Failure is so good for you. 0.93

01:07:54.000 Because when you fail, it sucks and it feels terrible.

01:07:57.000 But if you needed motivation, well, there it is.

01:08:02.000 That's the best form of motivation.

01:08:04.000 People would love to get motivation in a totally positive way where it's elective.

01:08:13.000 I've decided to be motivated.

01:08:15.000 I'm going to be positive.

01:08:16.000 And that's wonderful. 0.98

01:08:17.000 But my goodness, the injection that you get from a loss or from just straight up failure where you're like, oh, my God, I'm a loser. 0.99

01:08:25.000 loser. 0.99

01:08:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:08:27.000 Oh, the feeling.

01:08:28.000 It's so bad.

01:08:29.000 You're literally the same person you were before that moment. 1.00

01:08:33.000 But now you fucking hate yourself. 1.00

01:08:35.000 You hate everything. 1.00

01:08:36.000 You feel terrible.

01:08:38.000 You can't sleep.

01:08:39.000 You get up to take a piss and you can't stop thinking about it. 1.00

01:08:41.000 Like, fuck. 1.00

01:08:42.000 You just feel so. 1.00

01:08:45.000 But that feeling is worth a fucking billion dollars. 0.99

01:08:49.000 It's so valuable. 0.98

01:08:50.000 I wish I could win fights and feel like I lost every single time.

01:08:56.000 I wish I had that type of superpower.

01:08:58.000 I wish I could do that.

01:08:59.000 Do you think you could talk yourself into that feeling?

01:09:02.000 The feeling that you got after the Aljamain fight, can you think you can bring yourself back to that state? 0.98

01:09:07.000 Yeah.

01:09:11.000 If I sit and think about it long enough, which I sometimes, you know, like, and not because of that fight, but just all of the shitty things, like you said, that happen after a loss, man. 0.93

01:09:21.000 Like, all the shitty conversations you have to have with people. 0.97

01:09:24.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

01:09:25.000 Like, the shitty looks you get from people. 0.86

01:09:26.000 What do you think went wrong? 0.93

01:09:26.000 Yeah. 0.93

01:09:27.000 Hey man, you'll get it next time.

01:09:30.000 It's like, no man, this is my existence, bro.

01:09:32.000 You'll get it next time.

01:09:33.000 Yeah, non-competitors that want to talk to you about your losses.

01:09:37.000 No, I hate it.

01:09:37.000 Look on the bright side.

01:09:38.000 Yeah.

01:09:39.000 You got your health.

01:09:40.000 Yeah.

01:09:41.000 In that moment, there's no bright side.

01:09:42.000 And that's something that every athlete, I think, has to come to grips with.

01:09:47.000 During losses...

01:09:49.000 There's no upside.

01:09:52.000 Look, sometimes you're the hammer, sometimes you're the nail, and you don't get the good without the bad. 0.68

01:09:57.000 The reason why the good is so fucking amazing is because you felt the bad. 0.73

01:10:01.000 If you're just this guy who just stormed your way to the top with no adversity whatsoever, you probably wouldn't enjoy it as much. 0.89

01:10:07.000 No.

01:10:07.000 And that emotional pain, I think, is worse than physical pain.

01:10:12.000 And I remember after the first time I lost, I had like my own existential crisis a little bit where I had to, you know, Venture off and really question like who I was as a person where I where I was putting a lot of my identity just because that shit hurts so bad man and uh I remember like If I keep doing this It might happen again,

01:10:34.000 you know and I had to I had to like sit with that a little bit and I was like And you might not even get what you want out of this and then I was like damn and then I had to sit with that and then I was like But I'm really grateful for that because that was the real moment in my life where I was like, martial arts is my path.

01:10:53.000 That's what I'm doing.

01:10:56.000 I remember having the very lucid thought of when I was having those feelings of this could happen again.

01:11:02.000 You might not ever get into the UFC. You could be doing this and win some, lose some, and be a loser until you're 35, 40. And in my head, I was like...

01:11:13.000 Okay, you know, I'll sleep in a box. 0.98

01:11:15.000 I'll be a loser. 0.98

01:11:16.000 You know, as long as I get to do this with my life, like, I'll be that loser. 0.92

01:11:19.000 And kind of since then, that's when I was like, oh, I actually love this, you know? 1.00

01:11:24.000 I actually love this shit. 0.99

01:11:25.000 Okay, that feels good. 1.00

01:11:27.000 What was the thought process that let you come to grips with it?

01:11:30.000 Did you have like an aha moment?

01:11:32.000 I spent a lot of, I spent probably like every weekend or every other weekend in the mountains for about, you want my coffee?

01:11:39.000 What's that?

01:11:39.000 You want my coffee?

01:11:40.000 No, there's more coffee.

01:11:42.000 Oh, okay, okay.

01:11:42.000 Oh, there it is.

01:11:43.000 You're so nice.

01:11:45.000 You're so nice.

01:11:46.000 My coffee's almost like, you can have my coffee.

01:11:48.000 No, look here.

01:11:48.000 You want more?

01:11:49.000 We've got plenty.

01:11:50.000 We can make more.

01:11:51.000 Black Rifle gives us bags of this stuff.

01:11:53.000 It's pretty good.

01:11:54.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:11:54.000 Black Rifle coffee is the shit. 1.00

01:11:56.000 I spent probably every other weekend or every weekend in the mountains hiking 14ers or just camping for about, you know, probably six months and just like really... 0.99

01:12:06.000 Uh, as, you know, corny as it might sound, you know, like, facing my ego, looking at, like, a lot of my identities and looking at, like, where I was placing my attachment in my life and, uh, and, you know, after kind of the six months of that and a lot of, like, experiences and stuff like that, uh, you know, I feel like I found my spirit and I feel like, uh, Yeah, that's kind of how I handled that situation.

01:12:32.000 What is it about going into the woods, into the mountains, what is it about that that helps you?

01:12:37.000 I think one is that it reminds you how little you are.

01:12:41.000 It's good to be reminded that you're little.

01:12:43.000 It's also not good to think that what we're doing is not important because what we're doing is still important. 0.89

01:12:49.000 The relationships that we're building, the love that we're given and receiving is still super important, even though we're kind of a dumb species that's not going to be around for probably too much longer. 0.55

01:13:00.000 I really love that feeling. 0.67

01:13:02.000 I love the feeling of just taking a breath and being like, You know, I'm here with no one else.

01:13:09.000 There's, you know, it's just me and this and it's just here.

01:13:13.000 And that's like one special feeling that I feel like I never really experienced before.

01:13:19.000 I took all of that time.

01:13:21.000 And then I think too, it's just, you know, when you sit by yourself and you go to the mountains and you hike or I know that you like hunting.

01:13:28.000 I don't know if you go by yourself or what it is.

01:13:30.000 When you're by yourself, man, an hour can feel like a really long time.

01:13:33.000 And you kind of realize like... 0.99

01:13:36.000 There's a lot of shit happening in my head, man. 0.99

01:13:38.000 There's a lot of things happening. 1.00

01:13:40.000 There's a lot of voices happening in my head. 0.69

01:13:43.000 And when you just kind of sit and you listen to them and you kind of separate yourself from them sometimes and then question some of them sometimes, I think that you learn a lot of shit about what's going on in there that I don't think we know is going on in there when we're glued to the TV or we're glued to our phones and stuff like that. 0.85

01:14:01.000 Yeah, giving yourself a moment in the woods, there's a lot that's going on there. 0.87

01:14:07.000 One of the things that's going on is that the woods didn't even know you were alive.

01:14:12.000 Before you walked into this mountain, before you walked up this hill, You'd never walked there before.

01:14:18.000 These trees, these animals have no idea you're a thing. 0.99

01:14:21.000 They don't give a fuck about you. 0.97

01:14:23.000 They're just trying to... 0.99

01:14:24.000 They're surviving.

01:14:25.000 The trees are trying to get moisture and light and the animals are trying to get food and they're trying to stay alive and not be eaten.

01:14:31.000 And as you're walking there and you look over like...

01:14:34.000 Especially if you get to a mountain...

01:14:35.000 And you can look into a valley and see more mountains in the distance.

01:14:38.000 You realize, like, you could die here and things would just keep going on and you're totally insignificant.

01:14:44.000 But in your insulated little world, you look at yourself as being the center of the universe, you know, because you're the center of your own mind and your own ego.

01:14:53.000 And there's nothing other than, like, I've always said that that's one of the reasons why people that live in mountain towns and people that live by the ocean are so chill. 0.99

01:15:01.000 Because there's something about it that just lets you know, hey, motherfucker, look out there. 0.98

01:15:04.000 Look at all that water. 1.00

01:15:05.000 You ain't shit, bitch. 1.00

01:15:06.000 Just relax. 1.00

01:15:08.000 You're in their home.

01:15:10.000 When you're walking around, you're in their home.

01:15:12.000 It's also stunningly beautiful.

01:15:15.000 Like Colorado, when I lived there briefly and when I would drive up into the mountains above Boulder, I remember thinking, man, if this was a painting, it would be worth so much money.

01:15:26.000 Mm-hmm.

01:15:27.000 Because it would be so...

01:15:28.000 The way art makes you feel is...

01:15:31.000 Like, I love art.

01:15:32.000 I love seeing something cool.

01:15:33.000 It gives you a nice feeling.

01:15:34.000 But it pales in comparison to nature's greatest art.

01:15:38.000 When you over...

01:15:39.000 Like, when the sun is peeking through the clouds in the perfect way and you see the green of the trees and the white snow caps and just... 0.99

01:15:48.000 Fuck, it's beautiful. 0.99

01:15:49.000 It's so beautiful. 1.00

01:15:50.000 Art that can capture that is like...

01:15:52.000 Yeah.

01:15:53.000 So beautiful too, yeah.

01:15:55.000 Yeah, it's, you know, someone's trying to, you know, they're trying to take whatever that feeling is and you see something incredibly beautiful and then put it into something and give people that awe-inspiring feeling when you're looking at it.

01:16:09.000 But to me, nothing does it like nature itself.

01:16:12.000 Yeah, no.

01:16:13.000 No way, man.

01:16:14.000 It's like a...

01:16:16.000 Yeah, I mean, you can't really describe it. 0.96

01:16:17.000 Actually, you know, like, we bitch a lot, being Coloradans. 0.99

01:16:20.000 Like, we bitch a lot about how many people are, like, moving to Colorado. 0.99

01:16:23.000 We bitch a lot. 1.00

01:16:24.000 Man, like, the 14ers are so packed now. 0.99

01:16:27.000 Like, at least the close ones, you know?

01:16:29.000 Like, the ones that you don't actually...

01:16:31.000 When you say the 14ers... 0.88

01:16:32.000 So, they're 14,000 feet.

01:16:33.000 There's, like, 58 of them or something in Colorado.

01:16:36.000 And it's, like, a big thing to, like, hike all of them, you know?

01:16:39.000 I've done about, I think, like, 28 or 29 of them.

01:16:42.000 I haven't done, like, the scary-ass ones. 0.99

01:16:46.000 I've tried some of the scary ones and I'm just like, I don't know if that shit's for me, man. 0.99

01:16:51.000 I'm good. 0.99

01:16:51.000 I'll wait till I accomplish my goals until I do something risky. 0.99

01:16:57.000 So they're just 14ers or whatever.

01:16:59.000 A lot of people travel to do them.

01:17:00.000 Most of the time when I'm hiking and doing them, it's people from out of state.

01:17:04.000 Then I'm like, oh yeah, people really, really care about doing these or whatever.

01:17:09.000 Anyways, we bitch about I think it's great. 1.00

01:17:28.000 Think of anything or watch anything or any of that. 0.70

01:17:32.000 Never for me.

01:17:34.000 I don't ever have to do that unless it's intentional.

01:17:37.000 It used to not be intentional.

01:17:39.000 It used to be just the way things were.

01:17:41.000 Yeah, Colorado's experiencing a mass migration there the same way Texas is.

01:17:46.000 It's like a lot of the places that suck, like California right now, people are just like, why am I here when I can be there?

01:17:54.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:17:55.000 New York too, man.

01:17:56.000 Yeah.

01:17:57.000 I have an uncle in New York and he was like, dude, the city is a ghost town.

01:18:01.000 Yeah, we just had a guy here yesterday, Hamilton Morris, was explaining how grim it is.

01:18:05.000 Yeah.

01:18:05.000 And then you start to think about New York and you're like, why would anyone ever do that?

01:18:10.000 No.

01:18:11.000 Why would anyone ever stack themselves in a building that's just layered up and just live in one of the stacks of them?

01:18:17.000 Well, when everything was going great, it's exciting.

01:18:21.000 Yeah, that's true. 1.00

01:18:22.000 I have friends that are comics that love living in New York because you live in an apartment, you hop in an Uber, you drive to this club, you go to that club, you're hanging around, there's all this stuff to do, there's all these restaurants, let's go to this bar and that bar and everything's hopping and bam, bam, fuck you! 0.99

01:18:37.000 There's all this energy. 0.96

01:18:38.000 There's something happening constantly.

01:18:40.000 I always like visiting.

01:18:41.000 I don't like living like that. 0.99

01:18:43.000 I like birds chirping and shit. 1.00

01:18:45.000 I'm not interested in all that honk honk, fuck you. 1.00

01:18:48.000 I don't want to hear that every day. 1.00

01:18:50.000 Austin's a lot like Denver, actually.

01:18:54.000 Yeah.

01:18:54.000 Dude, super like it.

01:18:55.000 We were just walking up the street just yesterday and where the Capitol building is in comparison to the road with all of the shops and all of that stuff.

01:19:05.000 I was like, this is exactly like Denver.

01:19:07.000 It's similar.

01:19:08.000 It's small.

01:19:09.000 It's smaller than Denver.

01:19:10.000 For sure, smaller.

01:19:11.000 But it's a good size.

01:19:13.000 I love it here.

01:19:14.000 It's a good size.

01:19:16.000 It's not too big.

01:19:17.000 It's not too small.

01:19:17.000 Although, a lot of people are moving here.

01:19:20.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:19:22.000 Are you kind of out of the city, on some land?

01:19:24.000 Yeah.

01:19:25.000 See, I'm trying to get some land in Colorado.

01:19:27.000 Well, ultimately, I want to get a ranch out here.

01:19:29.000 I think that's the move, is to be really out of the city.

01:19:32.000 Nice.

01:19:33.000 Yeah.

01:19:33.000 Would you have some animals?

01:19:34.000 Tim Kennedy has a fucking helicopter. 1.00

01:19:36.000 He flies all over the place in a helicopter. 1.00

01:19:38.000 Really? 1.00

01:19:38.000 Yeah, that crazy asshole. 1.00

01:19:39.000 He wanted to come visit me. 1.00

01:19:41.000 He goes, can I land a helicopter at your house?

01:19:43.000 I go, no! 1.00

01:19:45.000 No, you can't bring a fucking helicopter to my house. 0.99

01:19:48.000 First of all, I don't think there's a spot for it. 0.99

01:19:50.000 And second of all, the neighbors are probably already weirded out by me. 0.99

01:19:54.000 Fucking helicopters landed next door. 0.99

01:19:56.000 Does he drive it himself? 1.00

01:19:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:59.000 Is it big?

01:20:00.000 How many people?

01:20:00.000 He takes it to the range.

01:20:01.000 There's a gun range out here.

01:20:03.000 And he told me he does that.

01:20:06.000 But they told me when I went there.

01:20:08.000 They're like, if you hear a helicopter, that's Tim Kennedy.

01:20:10.000 I'm like, really?

01:20:10.000 He comes here all the time?

01:20:11.000 With his fucking helicopter. 0.99

01:20:13.000 So he'll take the helicopter, land it there, and then he'll take like an Uber to the Onnit gym or wherever he's training, the Roka gym. 1.00

01:20:19.000 Yeah, he's a maniac.

01:20:20.000 Nice. 0.98

01:20:21.000 Just loads the helicopter up with guns. 0.98

01:20:24.000 He just does whatever the fuck he wants with that thing. 0.97

01:20:26.000 You don't have to go on a road. 0.99

01:20:27.000 You go up, and then you go that way, and that way.

01:20:29.000 You don't need a permit or anything?

01:20:31.000 Yeah, there's Tim.

01:20:31.000 Look at him.

01:20:32.000 He's just fucking flying around. 0.99

01:20:34.000 He knows how to do it. 0.99

01:20:36.000 I mean, he's got a license.

01:20:37.000 But because of the fact that he has this helicopter, he can just take it anywhere he wants to go.

01:20:44.000 I wouldn't be surprised if that's like a thing in 10 years where everyone kind of, you know, or maybe not everyone, but a lot of people have their own helicopter.

01:20:51.000 Well, that was what it was invented for, you know.

01:20:53.000 It was invented to be a flying car.

01:20:55.000 Yeah.

01:20:56.000 The idea of a helicopter, they thought when they first created it, was going to be like a flying car and everyone would have a helicopter instead of a car.

01:21:04.000 You should get Elon Musk on that, man.

01:21:06.000 Yeah.

01:21:06.000 We're going to have to go faster.

01:21:08.000 We're going to have to make it electric.

01:21:12.000 Just spaceships?

01:21:14.000 Yeah.

01:21:14.000 Just a bunch of blades.

01:21:15.000 Not one big one.

01:21:16.000 Four small ones.

01:21:17.000 We can park in a small area.

01:21:19.000 Yeah.

01:21:19.000 If we get some really super genius dude who's really into helicopters, yeah, that would be pretty badass.

01:21:25.000 The day will come.

01:21:26.000 Yeah.

01:21:27.000 What is this?

01:21:28.000 GM showed this video at CES last month.

01:21:30.000 Oh, what is that?

01:21:32.000 It's obviously not real yet, but this is their concept for what it will be like.

01:21:35.000 Bro.

01:21:36.000 Yeah, and that way it's all contained.

01:21:38.000 That's not real?

01:21:39.000 No, no, no.

01:21:39.000 Why isn't it real?

01:21:40.000 Come on, GM. It doesn't actually work yet.

01:21:43.000 Don't fuck with me. 1.00

01:21:44.000 Dude, imagine getting an accident in one of those. 1.00

01:21:46.000 That's the shit. 1.00

01:21:46.000 Or if they have one, then that's not the video of it. 1.00

01:21:49.000 Just pull a cord and a parachute pops out.

01:21:50.000 How hard is that? 0.96

01:21:51.000 Bro, that looks fucking amazing. 0.96

01:21:53.000 I need that now. 0.90

01:21:54.000 Yeah, that looks awesome.

01:21:55.000 We need to get Elon on this.

01:21:56.000 Like, come on.

01:21:57.000 Tell me we can't have a Tesla one of those.

01:21:59.000 That actually could work.

01:22:00.000 Right?

01:22:02.000 I mean...

01:22:03.000 Why not? 1.00

01:22:04.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

01:22:07.000 You think we can land on the roof here? 1.00

01:22:10.000 Maybe.

01:22:11.000 Why not?

01:22:12.000 Why not?

01:22:12.000 Talk to Tim.

01:22:14.000 They probably have restrictions, like there's certain areas where you're not allowed to land.

01:22:17.000 But Bill Burr flies helicopters.

01:22:20.000 Does he?

01:22:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:21.000 And he took me up in a flight.

01:22:23.000 We went all around downtown LA. It's really weird.

01:22:27.000 Like, you just kind of can go where you want.

01:22:29.000 Yeah.

01:22:30.000 Once you're up in the air, you're just like, we're going to go here, then we're going to go there.

01:22:33.000 Because it's not high enough to where it interferes with plane flight.

01:22:37.000 You're just hovering over buildings.

01:22:38.000 But as we were flying over downtown LA, you realize a lot of these buildings, these big-ass buildings, have X's on the roof where people land helicopters.

01:22:49.000 Nice.

01:22:49.000 Yeah, I hear that they're cheaper to do that.

01:22:51.000 This is available now and has FAA approval, but you cannot buy one yet.

01:22:58.000 What are you going to do?

01:22:59.000 How do you get one then?

01:23:00.000 It's a car that turns into a plane.

01:23:02.000 It's available, but you can't buy one.

01:23:04.000 Oh, those are its wings?

01:23:05.000 No, it's been approved.

01:23:06.000 Oh, that looks whack.

01:23:09.000 Yeah, you need a runway for that. 1.00

01:23:11.000 We want something without a runway.

01:23:12.000 Yeah, I'm not going to do that.

01:23:13.000 That looks whack.

01:23:15.000 I'd rather have the helicopter.

01:23:16.000 I want that other thing, man.

01:23:17.000 That four helicopter jammy that GM is making.

01:23:20.000 So it's like vertical takeoff.

01:23:21.000 You need no space.

01:23:22.000 That's why.

01:23:22.000 That's what's up.

01:23:24.000 Yeah, this is nonsense. 0.99

01:23:26.000 This is silly. 1.00

01:23:27.000 Just pick a fucking thing. 1.00

01:23:28.000 Either get a car or a plane. 1.00

01:23:30.000 The future of personal transportation.

01:23:33.000 Listen, bro.

01:23:33.000 Stop pouring all your money into this nonsense.

01:23:35.000 No one's buying that fucking thing. 1.00

01:23:37.000 Buy Bitcoin. 1.00

01:23:38.000 Get out of here.

01:23:40.000 Dogecoin.

01:23:41.000 How do you say it?

01:23:42.000 Is it Doge?

01:23:42.000 I don't know, man.

01:23:43.000 I don't know any of that stuff.

01:23:44.000 How do you say it?

01:23:45.000 I'm pretty sure it's Doge.

01:23:46.000 Doge?

01:23:46.000 Doge coin?

01:23:47.000 It's a little French.

01:23:48.000 Yeah, it's worth a lot of money.

01:23:51.000 The guy who created it apparently is blown away.

01:23:54.000 Like, he created it as a lark.

01:23:56.000 100% was a joke.

01:23:58.000 And now it's actually valuable.

01:24:00.000 It's not a joke.

01:24:00.000 It's worth like a dollar a coin now, right?

01:24:02.000 Not quite.

01:24:02.000 No, no, no.

01:24:03.000 Not quite?

01:24:03.000 Maybe about five cents.

01:24:04.000 Oh! 0.60

01:24:05.000 I thought Elon got it up to a dollar a coin.

01:24:07.000 It was about up to 10 cents a coin, I think.

01:24:10.000 From down to like...

01:24:10.000 It was under a penny.

01:24:12.000 Oh.

01:24:12.000 And it got very...

01:24:14.000 So now it's 10 cents a coin?

01:24:17.000 Honestly, I have no idea.

01:24:18.000 The world is very weird over that crypto space with forks and all sorts of things.

01:24:22.000 Forks?

01:24:23.000 What's a fork?

01:24:25.000 Like a fork in the road.

01:24:26.000 When it starts going this way, the developers all are like, yep, we're following the fork.

01:24:31.000 They're saying that Bitcoin is one day going to reach a million dollars a coin.

01:24:34.000 Maybe.

01:24:35.000 Seriously?

01:24:36.000 Yeah.

01:24:37.000 It's at 50k right now, which has been floating around.

01:24:39.000 50k?

01:24:39.000 To get one coin?

01:24:40.000 Yeah.

01:24:41.000 Yeah, to own a whole coin, but that's like, you can break it into pieces.

01:24:45.000 They're called Satoshis, and you only need a couple of those to do some stuff with.

01:24:48.000 Are you going to start buying more Bitcoin?

01:24:50.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

01:24:51.000 Okay.

01:24:54.000 Clearly.

01:24:56.000 Clearly he's buying Bitcoin.

01:24:58.000 Scooping it up.

01:24:59.000 I am not a financial advisor.

01:25:02.000 We had this gentleman on the podcast the other day, his name is Taylor Russell, and he made this movie called Silk Road.

01:25:08.000 It's about Ross Albrecht, who's the guy who created that Silk Road website.

01:25:12.000 Do you know what that is?

01:25:13.000 Silk Road is a website that I guess is apparently still up, but Ross is in jail for literally two life sentences.

01:25:20.000 Plus 40 years without the possibility of parole because you created this online marketplace where you could buy any drug you wanted.

01:25:26.000 You can buy LSD, mushrooms, and then it's all anonymous and encrypted and they could send it to your house and have it...

01:25:34.000 And the way they were paying for everything was Bitcoin.

01:25:37.000 And the dude had made so much money.

01:25:39.000 He'd made millions of dollars in Bitcoin at the time when he was arrested, but years and years ago.

01:25:44.000 What was it like 2014 or something?

01:25:47.000 So, if that, today, the amount of Bitcoin, it would be worth, what was it, $15 billion?

01:25:54.000 It's a lot.

01:25:55.000 We looked at what they seized recently.

01:25:58.000 The US seized a billion dollars, which in the time, since they seized it, it's now worth like over $3.5 billion.

01:26:03.000 So, he'd be worth a fuckload of money.

01:26:07.000 Yeah, man, he was dealing drugs on the internet. 0.88

01:26:08.000 He wasn't doing it, though.

01:26:10.000 He was providing a portal where people can deal the drugs.

01:26:13.000 Yeah.

01:26:14.000 Yeah.

01:26:14.000 Yeah, it's a questionable little situation.

01:26:16.000 But, you know, if it's grown adults buying and selling...

01:26:24.000 Colorado has legal mushrooms now, right?

01:26:27.000 They're...

01:26:27.000 Decriminalized?

01:26:28.000 Yeah, they're decriminalized.

01:26:29.000 Yeah.

01:26:29.000 Which is like, what, the step right before it happens?

01:26:32.000 Yeah.

01:26:32.000 You think that they'll be legal soon?

01:26:33.000 Yes.

01:26:34.000 A couple years?

01:26:34.000 Yes.

01:26:35.000 Because I think there's...

01:26:36.000 You know, the UFC is doing studies on fighters with psilocybin.

01:26:41.000 Because psilocybin has a property called neurogenesis.

01:26:44.000 And this is Hamilton Morris, who was a podcast guest yesterday.

01:26:48.000 He's the best guy to listen to talk about that because he's a genius.

01:26:51.000 And he went into depth about what it can do.

01:26:55.000 And one of the properties of psilocybin and psilocybin mushrooms in particular is it literally helps regrow brain tissue.

01:27:02.000 It helps regrow neurons.

01:27:04.000 It's one of the only things that they've found that can do that.

01:27:07.000 So they're starting to do studies with psilocybin at John Hopkins University and fighters.

01:27:12.000 And UFC is involved in this.

01:27:13.000 Wow.

01:27:14.000 Yeah.

01:27:14.000 What, like a micro-dose every day or something?

01:27:17.000 I don't know how they're doing that.

01:27:18.000 Yeah, they're probably still experimenting.

01:27:20.000 Yeah, I'm not sure what the protocol is.

01:27:21.000 And maybe they're taking fighters that have been retired and are like, hey, I'm experiencing some difficulties.

01:27:29.000 And then they're getting them on larger doses and therapeutic doses and helping heal them.

01:27:35.000 Yeah.

01:27:36.000 If it heals them, then great.

01:27:37.000 Dude, if they could figure out a way to make it so that all of the damage that someone takes from fighting is reversible, that would be phenomenal.

01:27:46.000 Yeah.

01:27:46.000 Imagine how far that could go, too, with Alzheimer's and...

01:27:51.000 I'm sure like a million different things.

01:27:53.000 Yeah, a million different things.

01:27:55.000 Do you have an idea in your head when you want to get out of the game?

01:27:59.000 I have an idea.

01:28:01.000 I think it's probably when I enter into that, like, alright, I did everything phase.

01:28:06.000 I would like to get out then.

01:28:08.000 But also, like, I really, I don't know, man.

01:28:12.000 Like, I really would like to ask Aldo, and I'd like to ask Cruz, you know, because both of those guys I see as guys that are just, like, they're obviously in it because they love it.

01:28:22.000 You know, Ream, too.

01:28:23.000 You know, Overeem, too, where it's just, like, you've been doing it for so long.

01:28:26.000 You did kind of everything that there is to do in the sport.

01:28:29.000 Like, why are you still doing it?

01:28:30.000 And, I mean, my guess is the answer is that they love it.

01:28:33.000 A lot of them still love it.

01:28:34.000 I think it's also how much money they get.

01:28:37.000 It's also where else can you get that type of paycheck in one night, of course.

01:28:42.000 What do you think Alistair was getting?

01:28:43.000 Do you know what he was getting to show?

01:28:47.000 No, probably over half.

01:28:49.000 Over half a million.

01:28:50.000 Yeah, somewhere probably in that range, right?

01:28:52.000 That'd be my guess.

01:28:52.000 Which is crazy.

01:28:54.000 Is that what he's getting?

01:28:55.000 A little more.

01:28:55.000 A little more?

01:28:56.000 Yeah.

01:28:56.000 How much more?

01:28:58.000 Oh, okay.

01:29:00.000 $750 to show.

01:29:01.000 Yeah, you can't get that anywhere else.

01:29:03.000 So every time you fight, you get $750,000 and he fights a lot.

01:29:07.000 And if you win, you get $1.5 million.

01:29:09.000 Now think about it.

01:29:10.000 Dustin made $1.2 to fight Conor. 0.99

01:29:15.000 And he's like, hey, I want some more fucking money. 0.99

01:29:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:18.000 It's like they're putting together the rematch.

01:29:21.000 I mean, he's making some money.

01:29:22.000 Oh, are they?

01:29:22.000 Have you had any of this?

01:29:23.000 Dustin's Hot Sauce?

01:29:24.000 No, I want some, though. 0.99

01:29:26.000 Fucking damn good, son. 0.99

01:29:26.000 Is it? 0.99

01:29:27.000 Well, here, bro.

01:29:28.000 I got you covered, son.

01:29:30.000 Have yourself a bottle of Dustin Poirier's hot sauce.

01:29:33.000 Thank you.

01:29:34.000 I love that, dude.

01:29:35.000 Is it super spicy?

01:29:36.000 No.

01:29:37.000 Do you like spicy?

01:29:39.000 I like super spicy.

01:29:40.000 It's spicy enough.

01:29:41.000 It's good.

01:29:42.000 Okay.

01:29:43.000 It's very good.

01:29:44.000 Nice.

01:29:44.000 But it's delicious.

01:29:45.000 It's HeatNist.com.

01:29:48.000 HeatNist.com.

01:29:49.000 And that money couldn't be spent on a nicer guy.

01:29:53.000 Did you imagine that that fight was going to go like that?

01:29:56.000 I didn't know what was going to happen.

01:29:58.000 When I looked at that fight, I was like, I think Dustin is on...

01:30:02.000 First of all, he's on a hell of a roll.

01:30:04.000 You look at what he has accomplished...

01:30:07.000 But he had a war with Dan Hooker right before that.

01:30:12.000 Like a crazy five round back and forth.

01:30:16.000 It could have been anybody's fight at any moment.

01:30:19.000 Kind of a fight. 1.00

01:30:20.000 For five fucking rounds. 0.99

01:30:22.000 And before that he had lost to Khabib. 0.99

01:30:25.000 But put Khabib in real danger.

01:30:27.000 Had Khabib in a nasty guillotine. 1.00

01:30:30.000 Fought a long hard fight with Khabib.

01:30:32.000 It's like, hmm, that guy's been active.

01:30:35.000 And you look at the who's who of the guys he's beaten.

01:30:39.000 Knocked out Justin Gagey.

01:30:41.000 You look at the guys he's...

01:30:42.000 Eddie Alvarez.

01:30:45.000 He's got a good resume. 0.99

01:30:47.000 Fucking incredible. 0.98

01:30:48.000 And over the last few years, for sure, he's grown into his frame. 0.98

01:30:54.000 And he's a big 155 now.

01:30:56.000 Whereas when he fought Conor, he was killing himself to make 145. I remember, yeah, 190. Yeah.

01:31:02.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:31:03.000 And the guy's got awesome hands, you know, and I didn't think it was going to go that way, though. 0.99

01:31:10.000 That low calf kick has changed the fucking game. 0.99

01:31:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:14.000 It's changed the game. 0.99

01:31:15.000 Gotta get your ass out of the way of it. 0.99

01:31:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:31:17.000 I think it's going to improve everyone's footwork way more. 0.99

01:31:20.000 It's that too, but some guys have figured out a way to check it.

01:31:23.000 And a good example of that is Pedro Munoz.

01:31:27.000 You know, Pedro Munoz is in his last fight against...

01:31:32.000 Rivera?

01:31:33.000 Frankie Rivera.

01:31:34.000 Yeah.

01:31:34.000 Jimmy.

01:31:35.000 Jimmy Rivera, sorry.

01:31:36.000 Jimmy Rivera.

01:31:36.000 Jimmy Rivera...

01:31:38.000 Jim Rivera is a guy who's known to throw a lot of calf kicks. 0.96

01:31:42.000 He fucked up Uriah Faber with a calf kick.

01:31:45.000 That was a big weapon that he was using a lot in that fight. 0.80

01:31:48.000 And if you look at that fight, and I watched it pretty closely, because I watched it twice...

01:31:54.000 Pedro Munoz fucked up Jimmy's leg with the calf kick but checked a lot of the calf kicks that Jimmy was throwing.

01:32:01.000 And if you see, when he checked it, he didn't just lift his leg out. 0.83

01:32:05.000 He turned it all the way out.

01:32:07.000 So his foot was completely sideways out.

01:32:09.000 So as Jimmy's throwing the calf kick, his foot is completely out and taking it right on the shin.

01:32:15.000 So he's not taking it on the meat of the calf at all.

01:32:18.000 Whereas Jimmy took a lot of those from Pedro on the calf itself.

01:32:23.000 Is he...

01:32:24.000 Is he putting them...

01:32:25.000 I didn't get to watch the fight.

01:32:25.000 I only watched the third round.

01:32:27.000 I forget what I was doing for one or two.

01:32:28.000 It was a great fight.

01:32:28.000 Yeah, that's what I heard.

01:32:30.000 You think that it put him too far out of position, though, checking like that?

01:32:33.000 It didn't.

01:32:34.000 It didn't with him, no.

01:32:36.000 No, I mean, he knew it was coming, and I'm sure he prepared for it.

01:32:39.000 See, the thing is, an American top team...

01:32:41.000 First of all, you've got this giant stable of top-tier talent, but also you've got guys who are fighting in championship fights.

01:32:49.000 You've got a lot of really good coaches...

01:32:52.000 And they're right at the cutting edge of the techniques that are used the most in the UFC. And everybody's trying to figure out a solution.

01:33:01.000 I got a text message from Kieran Fitzgibbons, the coach at CSA. He goes, look, I can tell people how to check this thing.

01:33:10.000 The idea you can't check it is fucking nonsense. 1.00

01:33:12.000 He's getting pissed. 1.00

01:33:13.000 But it's that.

01:33:15.000 That's how you check it.

01:33:16.000 You've got to turn the foot out.

01:33:18.000 You just can't take it like this.

01:33:20.000 If your foot is facing forward and you take it, you only have a few of those and you're damaged.

01:33:25.000 Yeah, it's what?

01:33:27.000 Four or five of them and then you're pretty compromised?

01:33:30.000 How about Khabib? 0.99

01:33:32.000 Khabib took a shitload of them against Justin and just kept charging at them.

01:33:36.000 Yeah.

01:33:36.000 Maybe that's why he charged at him, though, too.

01:33:38.000 I think so.

01:33:39.000 I think you recognize that.

01:33:39.000 I think so.

01:33:40.000 I kind of noticed that in Conor, too, in the Poirier fight, where I was like, I saw that his leg was hurt, and I was like, he's got to start going after him, because there's no way he can go three more rounds like this.

01:33:50.000 Yeah.

01:33:51.000 Well, also with Conor...

01:33:53.000 He's southpaw to southpaw, right?

01:33:55.000 So he's got that heavy front leg.

01:33:57.000 He puts a lot of weight on the front leg.

01:33:59.000 Connor does a lot of this, where he leans in on that front leg.

01:34:03.000 It's much harder to get the leg up, much harder to move it, much harder to check.

01:34:07.000 And with Dustin being a southpaw as well, it just opens it up to that kick.

01:34:11.000 It's right there.

01:34:12.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:34:13.000 They're nasty. 1.00

01:34:14.000 I think you should get your ass out of the way, though. 0.99

01:34:17.000 Move the leg. 0.99

01:34:18.000 Move the leg.

01:34:19.000 Well, you're a guy who moves a lot.

01:34:21.000 You're a very fleet of foot.

01:34:23.000 Do you practice a lot of calf kicks in training?

01:34:27.000 Like people throwing them on me or throwing them?

01:34:30.000 Well, I guess both.

01:34:32.000 Yeah, we do them.

01:34:33.000 Do you ever use that calf guard?

01:34:34.000 You ever see that thing?

01:34:35.000 Uh-uh.

01:34:36.000 It's a new thing that guys have come up with just to protect yourself from calf kicks.

01:34:40.000 Very smart.

01:34:41.000 Go to the calf guard.

01:34:43.000 I know they have an Instagram page.

01:34:44.000 It's like a shin guard except for your calf?

01:34:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:45.000 Oh, that's very smart.

01:34:46.000 It's a thick, heavy pad.

01:34:48.000 It's like a tie pad.

01:34:50.000 That's attached to the outside of your calf. 0.86

01:34:52.000 So you can blast someone. 0.99

01:34:53.000 So you can do drills and blast someone with a calf kick and not fucking cripple them. 0.99

01:34:58.000 That's going to be funny. 0.97

01:34:59.000 People are going to get so good at attacking with all the parts of their body, like their shoulders.

01:35:03.000 You're going to start looking like the Sentry Bob.

01:35:06.000 Everyone's going to go strapped in in one of those suits.

01:35:09.000 When you saw that fight with Connor and Cowboy, did you start practicing shoulders?

01:35:12.000 Did you think about that?

01:35:14.000 Tim Means was doing those a long time ago.

01:35:16.000 Dirty Bird.

01:35:17.000 Yeah.

01:35:18.000 I've seen him do that a long time ago.

01:35:19.000 It's really funny because you watch...

01:35:21.000 A technique can be part of the system and then it's not until someone that's a really high caliber fighter uses the technique that people start to get on board with it.

01:35:36.000 Tim Means was using those for a really long time.

01:35:38.000 I mean, calf kicks have been around for a really long time.

01:35:41.000 Now everyone's kind of like...

01:35:42.000 And I was kind of thinking back, and you might know this, but who was it that made those really, really popular shows?

01:35:48.000 Benson Henderson was the first guy I ever saw throw him.

01:35:51.000 Yeah.

01:35:51.000 Or one of the first guys I ever saw throw him.

01:35:53.000 There has to be someone recently, though, in the last couple of years where there was a fight where it was like, this is the fight where now everyone's bought into this idea.

01:36:02.000 Because I think as far as...

01:36:04.000 If I'm a fighter watching, I think it's really easy to get confidence when you're like, oh, this guy's one of the best guys in the world and he's doing this.

01:36:11.000 I need to do that.

01:36:11.000 But when you see someone who's maybe two or three fights into their professional career and they're doing something the same, you're like, eh, maybe it's good.

01:36:20.000 Maybe it's not.

01:36:21.000 Maybe it's not.

01:36:22.000 So I try to watch for all of those things early because I think that there's just as much to be learned from those really, really high-level, championship-level fighters as there are on the day one debut UFC fighters episode.

01:36:35.000 I think that there's just as much.

01:36:36.000 I wonder what's out there that we haven't found yet. 0.99

01:36:39.000 I know there's a lot of shit. 0.99

01:36:40.000 You want to know how I know? 1.00

01:36:42.000 So here's the calf guard.

01:36:43.000 Look at that.

01:36:44.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:36:45.000 Pretty dope, right? 0.99

01:36:46.000 So you can fucking dig in. 0.99

01:36:48.000 A lot of dudes are going to get torn ACLs from this thing. 0.99

01:36:50.000 Seriously.

01:36:51.000 You know?

01:36:51.000 Because if you let guys like a Francis Ngannou type character tee off on your calf like that.

01:36:58.000 Pretty smart though.

01:36:59.000 Smart to have that thing where you can practice it and really dig in.

01:37:06.000 But that's the thing.

01:37:08.000 There's so much room for innovation in this sport.

01:37:11.000 People are always finding some new ways to do things.

01:37:14.000 It's exciting.

01:37:15.000 I think last year, too, I don't know, you tell me, but it feels like the sport, I mean, obviously it's gotten bigger, but man, it feels weird to not have fights on Saturday to watch.

01:37:23.000 Yeah.

01:37:24.000 For me, at least.

01:37:25.000 Yeah, because they're on almost every weekend.

01:37:27.000 They're on almost every single weekend.

01:37:28.000 That's the beautiful thing about the UFC's ESPN deal.

01:37:31.000 Yeah, they've been crushing it, man.

01:37:32.000 Dana White's been crushing it. 1.00

01:37:34.000 They crank out fights.

01:37:35.000 Dude, when there's not a fight on Saturday, I don't know what I'm doing on Saturdays anymore.

01:37:39.000 I know.

01:37:39.000 It's weird.

01:37:40.000 I think it's like that for a lot of people, too, where that's ingrained in us just washing our hands and all of that shit. 0.99

01:37:45.000 Well, this weekend is bonkers. 0.99

01:37:47.000 This weekend is a bonkers card.

01:37:49.000 It's so good.

01:37:50.000 There's fights on the undercard that people forgot about.

01:37:53.000 Cruz and Casey.

01:37:55.000 Yeah.

01:37:55.000 And then Dober against Islam.

01:37:58.000 Yes. 0.98

01:37:59.000 That's going to be sick.

01:38:00.000 That's going to be great.

01:38:00.000 So let's look at this.

01:38:02.000 Who's Song Yudong fighting?

01:38:04.000 Oh yeah, Benavid too.

01:38:05.000 Kyler Phillips.

01:38:07.000 I think he was scheduled to fight a Sun Towers something first.

01:38:10.000 That's a good fight, man.

01:38:12.000 Askar Oskarov?

01:38:13.000 That guy's good.

01:38:14.000 Yeah, he's good too.

01:38:14.000 That's a good fight.

01:38:16.000 Look, they're all ranked guys.

01:38:17.000 The entire undercard is top 15 guys almost.

01:38:20.000 No, this is one of those super cards.

01:38:21.000 It legitimately is.

01:38:23.000 Because if you go to the main card, like Jesus Luizus, I don't know what to think about that main event, man.

01:38:29.000 Blachowicz and Adesanya is such a good fight.

01:38:33.000 Yeah, did you hear Israel was saying, like, maybe he'd be 200 pounds?

01:38:38.000 Yeah, he said he might be 193. He said, don't be surprised by the way, 193. What do you think of that?

01:38:42.000 I don't know, man.

01:38:43.000 I don't know either, bro.

01:38:44.000 I mean, it's the laws of nature, bro.

01:38:46.000 The bigger animal usually wins, right?

01:38:48.000 He's so good, though.

01:38:49.000 Yeah, he's so good.

01:38:50.000 He's such a virtuoso.

01:38:52.000 His striking is at such a high level, man. 0.99

01:38:56.000 And he said he's not going to fuck with his body and put on a lot of extra weight. 1.00

01:38:59.000 He said that shit slows you down and makes you tired easier. 1.00

01:39:02.000 And he says, I'm fine where I'm at. 1.00

01:39:04.000 Yeah.

01:39:05.000 I mean, we'll find out if he's right.

01:39:06.000 If he's right, man, it's going to change a lot of people's thinking about weight classes.

01:39:09.000 I mean, yeah.

01:39:10.000 I mean, I guess what's the alternative?

01:39:11.000 He just starts eating more and then he's like heavier.

01:39:14.000 Well, you got to think if you really, it's more than that, right?

01:39:17.000 You'd want to lift weights.

01:39:18.000 You don't want to just eat more.

01:39:19.000 If he's coming from the Palo Costa fight, it's not that long ago.

01:39:22.000 Yeah.

01:39:23.000 I mean, how much stronger can you get in like four months though?

01:39:26.000 If you're going to go up to light heavyweight from where you're at, if you're a 185-er and you wanted to go up to 205, like a legit 205, you really want to probably get to like 220. Dude, that's a big gap.

01:39:39.000 20 pounds is a big gap.

01:39:41.000 It's the biggest gap in the sport, other than heavyweight.

01:39:44.000 I think there should be a weight class every 10 pounds. 0.92

01:39:48.000 Every 5, you mean?

01:39:49.000 Oh, you're talking about in the heavier ones.

01:39:51.000 Oh, I think that there should be one almost every 5. It's not a bad idea.

01:39:54.000 Especially if we're going to start doing, you know, champ champ stuff.

01:39:57.000 You know, I think that it's not a bad idea to kind of maybe adopt some of that stuff in boxing and kind of, you know, why not make it every five pounds and then make, you know, two title fights every card?

01:40:07.000 Isn't it weird, though, that the UFC has the names of the weight classes that exist in boxing, but a totally different weight?

01:40:15.000 Yeah, very confusing.

01:40:16.000 Like, welterweight in boxing is 147. Walter Waite in the UFC is 170. That's a fucking giant difference, man.

01:40:23.000 Yeah, that's why I just always call them by their weights. 0.99

01:40:26.000 Yeah.

01:40:26.000 I always say 135, 45 because I don't even know a lot of them.

01:40:29.000 I think that's the right way to do it, honestly.

01:40:32.000 Like, call someone the 170-pound champion.

01:40:34.000 I mean, welterweight.

01:40:35.000 Like, what does that even mean?

01:40:36.000 What is a welter?

01:40:39.000 That is a really fascinating fight.

01:40:42.000 Because I'll tell you what, that Blachowicz guy, you can't zig when you should have zagged with that dude. 0.98

01:40:47.000 He hits so fucking hard. 0.96

01:40:50.000 When he knocked out Dominic Reyes like that, I was like, oh my goodness. 0.97

01:40:53.000 Even before that, you had to know, too.

01:40:55.000 Because even Dom's demeanor kind of changed, where it was like...

01:40:59.000 Ooh.

01:41:00.000 Yeah.

01:41:00.000 Don't get hit by that.

01:41:01.000 Well, he was getting those left kicks to the body, and he had Bohovich's footprint on his ribcage.

01:41:08.000 Do you remember that? 0.99

01:41:08.000 It was fucking brutal. 0.99

01:41:10.000 Like, this huge black and red bruise on his ribcage. 1.00

01:41:14.000 I was like, fuck, this guy's getting crushed. 0.98

01:41:16.000 I mean, he's just a heavy bodyguard. 1.00

01:41:20.000 Bone-dense dude.

01:41:22.000 Yep.

01:41:22.000 He looks dense, bro.

01:41:24.000 He looks like he hits hard. 0.61

01:41:25.000 But yeah, man, Israel's just so damn good.

01:41:27.000 Israel is virtuoso.

01:41:29.000 He really is.

01:41:30.000 He's a master.

01:41:31.000 A master striker.

01:41:32.000 I think he's intelligent enough to have thought of all the things that Blakovic is going to try to do.

01:41:39.000 It's a question, right?

01:41:41.000 It's like...

01:41:43.000 If the guy's coming at you and he's much larger and there's much more danger in him hitting you, what do you do differently than you would do it for a 185-pound fighter?

01:41:56.000 Like Paulo Costa.

01:41:57.000 Paulo Costa is a...

01:41:58.000 He's a destroyer, but he's a guy who beats guys up and then takes them and puts them away.

01:42:02.000 He doesn't KO anybody with one shot.

01:42:04.000 This guy KOs light heavyweights with one shot.

01:42:07.000 I mean, he puts people in another dimension when he punches them. 1.00

01:42:11.000 He hits fucking... 1.00

01:42:12.000 When he hit Rockhold, when he KOs Rockhold and Rockhold's laying his back like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:42:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:42:18.000 You can see. 0.99

01:42:19.000 One punch.

01:42:20.000 That's all it takes.

01:42:21.000 Boom! 0.99

01:42:22.000 Boom! 0.99

01:42:23.000 Especially in that littler cage, too.

01:42:25.000 That 25 foot cage, those guys are big, man.

01:42:27.000 That's a good point.

01:42:28.000 Yeah, it's a littler cage.

01:42:30.000 Hard to get away.

01:42:31.000 It's a difference, too.

01:42:33.000 You think if it's a circle, five feet less, there's a lot less room.

01:42:38.000 This becomes less.

01:42:40.000 And by the way, there's no one in the Apex Center.

01:42:43.000 Why can't you get a full-size cage in there? 1.00

01:42:46.000 I have no idea.

01:42:47.000 You got plenty of room.

01:42:48.000 There's no crowd.

01:42:50.000 We can afford it. 1.00

01:42:50.000 Yeah, what the fuck? 1.00

01:42:52.000 Adesanya is the heavy favorite with an implied win probability of 71.43%, despite Blachowicz 27-8 being the incumbent champ in the higher weight class. 0.99

01:43:02.000 A $10 bet on Adesanya to win would return a profit of just $4.

01:43:06.000 That's really surprising.

01:43:07.000 Wow.

01:43:08.000 Well, he's that good.

01:43:10.000 I mean, he is that good.

01:43:12.000 Yeah.

01:43:12.000 I get it.

01:43:13.000 But I think it's a dangerous fight.

01:43:16.000 Because there's moments where you're there.

01:43:19.000 There's moments when you're there.

01:43:21.000 And he's been hit.

01:43:23.000 I mean, he's been hit by Calvin Gastelum.

01:43:25.000 He's been hit by guys.

01:43:27.000 He got hit with a big shot from Yoel Romero when Romero was standing straight at him.

01:43:31.000 He absorbed it, and he was fine, but... 0.99

01:43:35.000 I think that Blachowicz guy carries a lot of real fucking danger in his fists. 0.99

01:43:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:43:40.000 You know? 0.99

01:43:41.000 No doubt.

01:43:42.000 It's crazy.

01:43:43.000 It's exciting.

01:43:44.000 Yeah, it's super exciting.

01:43:44.000 That's what you want to see, man.

01:43:45.000 Plus, the balls of him to go up to 205 and not even gain weight. 0.99

01:43:50.000 The balls! 0.98

01:43:50.000 And then talk about going to heavyweight, too. 0.98

01:43:53.000 Yes!

01:43:54.000 And, you know, he's talking about fighting Jon Jones, but he said recently that he doesn't want to fight Jon without a crowd.

01:43:59.000 He said he wants to wait until the crowd, so maybe around December.

01:44:02.000 That's fair.

01:44:03.000 Yeah?

01:44:03.000 That's fair.

01:44:04.000 Listen, man, plenty of time to build that motherfucker up. 1.00

01:44:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:44:06.000 That fight. 0.99

01:44:07.000 And then, you've got to think, by December, who knows what's happening in the heavyweight division, right?

01:44:12.000 Because we have Stipe versus Francis Ngannou, which is a crazy rematch.

01:44:16.000 When is that?

01:44:17.000 That's real soon.

01:44:19.000 It's March, right?

01:44:19.000 Yes.

01:44:20.000 April?

01:44:21.000 March time.

01:44:21.000 27. That's just a couple of weeks.

01:44:24.000 So you have that.

01:44:26.000 Derek Lewis, who just knocked Curtis out with one shot, that's a crazy entrance because he's beaten Francis Ngannou in a decision.

01:44:36.000 So you've got to wonder what happens right after Francis and Stipe.

01:44:42.000 If Stipe wins, does Stipe retire?

01:44:44.000 I mean, if Stipe wins, he beats Francis a second time.

01:44:48.000 Man, on paper, hard to say that guy's not the GOAT. Lost the title, regained it, defended the title more than anyone ever.

01:44:58.000 Stipe's a sleeper, man.

01:45:00.000 He's a sleeper, bro.

01:45:02.000 I don't know because I don't follow a ton, but why isn't he up there?

01:45:09.000 I feel like I hear a lot of stuff about Ngannou, but I hear a lot of stuff about Stipe.

01:45:13.000 Same thing with the first fight.

01:45:14.000 In the first fight, people felt the same way.

01:45:16.000 You know, everybody was thinking about Ngannou because he puts people into orbit.

01:45:20.000 Yeah.

01:45:20.000 You know?

01:45:21.000 Yeah, he's got that physique and that look and everything to him too.

01:45:24.000 But he KOs people so badly.

01:45:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:26.000 When he KOs them, they're so fucked. 1.00

01:45:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:28.000 Like, if you look at the fight with Alistair, when he caught him with that vicious shovel hook... 1.00

01:45:33.000 I mean, my God.

01:45:34.000 Yeah, that was pretty...

01:45:35.000 Oh, my God.

01:45:36.000 It's like one of the worst KOs I've ever seen.

01:45:37.000 Yeah, watching that is hard.

01:45:39.000 Yeah.

01:45:42.000 But the thing about Stipe is he's so close.

01:45:45.000 But also, they're going to be fighting that little cage, too.

01:45:47.000 Yeah.

01:45:48.000 That's a Vegas fight, too.

01:45:49.000 Yeah.

01:45:49.000 Ooh, that's different.

01:45:50.000 Yeah.

01:45:51.000 Because Stipe's got to get away from him.

01:45:53.000 And then also, Ngannou's going to get away from Stipe taking him down.

01:45:56.000 That's different, too.

01:45:58.000 Yeah, it's interesting in the smaller cage.

01:46:00.000 I would like to see some stats on how the fights are in the 25-foot cage versus the 30-foot one.

01:46:06.000 Right, if there's more finishes.

01:46:07.000 Yeah, I mean, there's got to be some stats that they'll come up with.

01:46:09.000 Yeah, I bet.

01:46:11.000 If Stipe does win, I wonder if he's going to retire or I wonder if he waits around for John. 0.79

01:46:16.000 Because if he wins and then John comes up and fights him at heavyweight, holy shit, what a super fight that would be. 0.86

01:46:24.000 If Stipe could beat John... 0.97

01:46:26.000 Oh my goodness.

01:46:27.000 Yeah.

01:46:28.000 Oh my goodness.

01:46:28.000 You know?

01:46:30.000 Yeah.

01:46:31.000 And if John beats Stipe.

01:46:32.000 Woo! 0.99

01:46:33.000 Yeah.

01:46:34.000 So many fights.

01:46:35.000 Yeah.

01:46:35.000 They need to add in another weight class in between.

01:46:38.000 225 you think?

01:46:39.000 Yeah.

01:46:40.000 Something.

01:46:41.000 All of them I think need to have a weight class in between.

01:46:43.000 It's like there's too much now.

01:46:45.000 It's too much.

01:46:46.000 There's too many really exciting fights.

01:46:48.000 And the idea of the title getting held up for a year or a year and a half, that's a long-ass time, man.

01:46:57.000 Well, again, that brings us to Saturday Night as well with Amanda Nunes.

01:47:01.000 Because Amanda, she's holding two titles and defending them both simultaneously. 1.00

01:47:05.000 That's crazy, bro.

01:47:08.000 And, like, where's the real competition for her? 0.54

01:47:11.000 Like, there's no one person that stands out as being like, wow, I can't wait for Amanda to fight this person. 0.94

01:47:17.000 No, she fucking nuked Cyborg, and then everybody's like, Jesus.

01:47:21.000 And then every fight since then has been, you know, like, she's had some good fights, she's had some tough fights, but... 0.96

01:47:28.000 There's no one that stands out.

01:47:30.000 Jermaine Durand to me was a real threat standing up.

01:47:33.000 Jermaine is a vicious striker.

01:47:35.000 But it's not like people are calling for this Megan fight.

01:47:39.000 It's just that Megan is, in terms of who's available at 145, she's the best UFC contender. 0.99

01:47:48.000 Yeah.

01:47:49.000 Yeah.

01:47:50.000 Yeah, that's a tough position, huh?

01:47:52.000 Tough position, too.

01:47:53.000 What's interesting in that weight class is Kayla Harrison, the judo champ that's fighting for PFL. Yeah. 0.98

01:47:58.000 Because she's a fucking tank. 1.00

01:48:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:48:01.000 That's a real 145. See when she flexes, dude? 1.00

01:48:05.000 Yeah.

01:48:05.000 I hear she has issues making 45. Or not issues, but I hear that 45 is a cut for her.

01:48:10.000 Yeah.

01:48:10.000 I bet it is.

01:48:11.000 I bet it is.

01:48:12.000 She looks like Drew Dober.

01:48:14.000 Look at that.

01:48:15.000 Bro.

01:48:16.000 Bro, come on.

01:48:17.000 That's Drew Dover.

01:48:18.000 She's jacked! 1.00

01:48:19.000 Have you seen Dover's legs? 1.00

01:48:21.000 Oh, they're ridiculous. 0.99

01:48:22.000 Tree trunks. 0.99

01:48:23.000 Yeah, he's like a hippopotamus.

01:48:24.000 Yeah, but go back to that picture again.

01:48:26.000 Come on, son.

01:48:27.000 Look at the arms on her. 1.00

01:48:28.000 I'd be proud of those arms.

01:48:30.000 If I had arms like that, I would never stop flexing.

01:48:32.000 I'd just walk around like that everywhere.

01:48:35.000 That's how I carry my groceries.

01:48:37.000 I do not know.

01:48:38.000 Yeah.

01:48:39.000 How tall is she, young Jamie?

01:48:41.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:48:42.000 You think the day will ever come where we'll do a lot of cross-promotional stuff?

01:48:46.000 I hope so.

01:48:47.000 Or I hope she just jumps ship and joins the UFC because the UFC needs a legit 145-pound threat to Amanda Nunes. 1.00

01:48:56.000 I mean, after she knocked out Cyborg, there's been no real clamoring of someone for her to fight.

01:49:03.000 She's got people to fight in both Bantamweight and in Featherweight where people are willing to fight her. 1.00

01:49:10.000 But there's no one that really stands out.

01:49:13.000 Yeah, something needs to happen.

01:49:15.000 Who do you think the winner of Jan and Sterling should fight?

01:49:21.000 Maybe this Sanhagen kid that's been killing it lately.

01:49:26.000 I mean, who else?

01:49:28.000 There's Pedro Munoz.

01:49:31.000 He KO'd Cody Garbrandt, right?

01:49:34.000 And Cody's back in it after KO'ing his son Sal.

01:49:36.000 Cody wants TJ. Everybody wants TJ because there's a lot of money in fighting TJ. So there's a lot of fights for them.

01:49:43.000 You know, I think you.

01:49:45.000 That's what I would say.

01:49:46.000 Yeah.

01:49:47.000 Particularly based on those last two fights. 0.97

01:49:49.000 And if Aljamain wins, holy shit what a fight that is. 0.97

01:49:52.000 Yeah. 0.53

01:49:53.000 You know, you guys fighting again a rematch for the title.

01:49:55.000 I think the division needs like a good trilogy.

01:49:58.000 You know?

01:49:58.000 What a cool trilogy.

01:49:59.000 When was the last time we had like a cool trilogy in the UFC? Right?

01:50:03.000 I guess it's going to be Poirier and McGregor probably next.

01:50:06.000 Yeah.

01:50:06.000 It seems like they're going to do that.

01:50:08.000 But they've got to pay Dustin.

01:50:10.000 Man can't live off hot sauce money alone.

01:50:12.000 Yeah.

01:50:13.000 He needs that cheddar.

01:50:14.000 I mean, listen, if Khabib's not going to fight for the title, and you're not going to have an interim title, if Khabib's going to fight for the title again, I want Oliveira.

01:50:25.000 Because I feel like if anyone's going to fight for the actual title, I feel like, as a purist, Charles Oliveira has looked sensational.

01:50:34.000 You look at what he did to Tony Ferguson.

01:50:35.000 You look at what he did to Kevin Lee.

01:50:37.000 You're like, this guy is on fire right now.

01:50:40.000 His technique is so sharp.

01:50:42.000 He's so good.

01:50:43.000 I want to see Oliveira fight for the title.

01:50:45.000 But if it's not for the title, if it's just a big-ass, money, five-round fight, okay.

01:50:51.000 That makes sense.

01:50:52.000 You do a rematch.

01:50:53.000 Because you're not holding anything up, right?

01:50:55.000 But you gotta have a title fight eventually.

01:50:57.000 Yeah, you gotta.

01:50:58.000 You gotta.

01:50:58.000 I think Dana does not want Khabib to retire.

01:51:01.000 And he doesn't want to take the title away from him and then have him come back again for the title.

01:51:06.000 He wants him to fight again for the title.

01:51:08.000 But I just don't know if he's going to be able to convince Khabib. 0.99

01:51:13.000 Khabib, he drives a fucking Toyota truck, dude. 1.00

01:51:16.000 That guy doesn't need shit. 1.00

01:51:17.000 He lives in the same house he's always lived in. 0.99

01:51:19.000 That's awesome.

01:51:20.000 I don't know him.

01:51:21.000 I would really love to get to know that guy because I'm sure that he has like a ton of lessons, you know, to teach people.

01:51:27.000 But yeah, man, I get that feel where he's in it for the love, bro.

01:51:31.000 He's in it to maul, bro.

01:51:32.000 That's like one of my favorite lines of all time.

01:51:34.000 I just want to, or did he say smash or maul?

01:51:37.000 I just want to smash. 0.99

01:51:38.000 I just want to maul people. 0.99

01:51:39.000 That's all that I want to do. 0.98

01:51:40.000 Yeah, I'm on board with that.

01:51:42.000 He had one of the best quotes ever about Conor.

01:51:44.000 I want to change his face.

01:51:46.000 Change his face.

01:51:48.000 Yeah.

01:51:48.000 Whoa.

01:51:49.000 See, yeah.

01:51:50.000 Learn it.

01:51:50.000 Like, for me, as a fighter kind of coming up...

01:51:54.000 I watch people talk like that and Tyson's one of my favorite people to talk or listen to talk also and then Kobe Bryant is a good one but like all of those guys where it's just like borderline like a little psychotic you know like borderline like wow these guys are probably fantasizing about like hurting their opponents for weeks you know oh yeah Tyson most certainly did Do you ever see that documentary on Tyson where he goes into depth about his thought process going from walking from

01:52:24.000 the dressing room, walking to the ring, and then stepping into the ring, the transformation that his mind makes?

01:52:29.000 I saw a video of it where he's like, and I'm looking at him, and I'm looking at him, and I'm waiting for him.

01:52:33.000 Find that, Jamie.

01:52:34.000 Find that.

01:52:34.000 Pull that up.

01:52:35.000 I love it.

01:52:36.000 I love that Tyson's so open about talking about stuff like that because, I mean, I promised my mom and Erica that I would keep it, like, fairly at a low level of intensity with my, like, detail and description of, like, what goes on in my mind, too.

01:52:48.000 Why?

01:52:49.000 Because it is, because it is a lot, it's, like, a lot of violent stuff like that.

01:52:52.000 So, talking on here about that?

01:52:54.000 Yeah, because I don't...

01:52:55.000 They don't want you to talk about that? 0.99

01:52:56.000 Yeah, they don't want me to sound like a fucking nutball, man. 0.99

01:52:59.000 Like a, you know? 0.99

01:53:01.000 And who knows, you know, like...

01:53:04.000 Who knows, bro?

01:53:05.000 I don't want someone to frame me later, you know?

01:53:07.000 So your mom and your girlfriend sat you down, and they go, let's have a talk.

01:53:11.000 Yeah, because I've, you know, in the past, I've brought up, like, yeah, you know, like, I just would really like to, and I, you know, I got memed for this, but, you know, I was ready to rip his heart open, or rip his chest open and start eating his heart, you know? 0.90

01:53:25.000 Like, just saying weird shit like that, it's like, my mom and girlfriend were like, please, for God's sake, just don't say anything.

01:53:31.000 Don't say that, because then the neighbors want to talk to us about it. 0.98

01:53:34.000 Yeah.

01:53:34.000 But no, man, I think that like, I don't know how many other people are on that level of like thinking, but you know, it's definitely something that I've adopted.

01:53:41.000 And I think that it's like really, a really good survival tool for this sport.

01:53:46.000 Like having a mind like that is a super good survival technique. 0.97

01:53:51.000 Is it because when the shit goes down and you're in the middle of the firefight, you're maintaining that mindset rather than trying to gather it up while it's a fight for your life? 0.99

01:54:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:54:05.000 And you just have to be ready to do it, man.

01:54:07.000 You have to be ready to really, really harm someone.

01:54:10.000 If you get someone in a heel hook, you have to be ready to break it.

01:54:16.000 It's not training.

01:54:17.000 Yeah.

01:54:18.000 It's not like you're going in and it's like, I maybe have this, I maybe don't, whatever, I'll let go because I don't want to hurt this person. 0.85

01:54:23.000 It's like, no, if I get that sucker, I better be ready to wrench on it. 0.95

01:54:27.000 You have to be prepared for that level of violence. 0.95

01:54:30.000 And I think that you don't really get to prepare for that unless you've done a lot of hard thinking about it.

01:54:36.000 When Curtis and Derek Lewis fought, and Derek KO'd him with that uppercut and then blasted him when he was out a couple of times, and then he's like, hey, that's Herb Dean's fault.

01:54:47.000 Like, he's right.

01:54:48.000 He is right.

01:54:49.000 He's right.

01:54:49.000 I mean, a lot of people were saying, hey, maybe he shouldn't have hit him when he was out like that.

01:54:53.000 And then he's like, what if he rises up like The Undertaker?

01:54:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:56.000 I mean, man, I used to look at guys like that and be like, that guy's an asshole. 1.00

01:55:03.000 But now I get it. 1.00

01:55:04.000 Now I get it.

01:55:06.000 Everyone has to be different when you're in that cage.

01:55:09.000 It's a different set of cultural rules.

01:55:10.000 You're not operating in the same mentality that you are when you're walking...

01:55:15.000 To the supermarket.

01:55:16.000 Yeah, or walking up and down the Austin Strip.

01:55:18.000 Like, that's not where you have to be in your head when you walk into a cage, and people aren't going to understand that.

01:55:22.000 I didn't understand that for a really long time, where it was like, even someone like Cody Garbrandt and McGregor, like, you watch how they act, and sometimes you're like, man, that guy's, like, really arrogant, like this and that, and it's like, that's what he's doing because we're in, like, we're in a different set of cultural rules, you know?

01:55:37.000 Here it is.

01:55:38.000 Play this.

01:55:38.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, I've seen this.

01:55:41.000 You get volume on this?

01:55:43.000 I thought you were talking about the one where he's voicing it over, correct?

01:55:45.000 Yeah.

01:55:46.000 I'm having a real hard time finding it for some reason.

01:55:48.000 Oh, really?

01:55:49.000 Yeah, I'm just finding the most intense Mike Tyson walkout, but it's just the one from the Spanx fight.

01:55:54.000 Oh, man.

01:55:54.000 I want to hear it.

01:55:54.000 The one from the Spanx fight.

01:55:55.000 He looks like demonic.

01:55:56.000 He said he had gonorrhea when he went there. 0.91

01:55:59.000 He had gonorrhea while he knocked out Michael's face.

01:56:03.000 Which is so crazy.

01:56:05.000 If you can find it, you can find it.

01:56:07.000 If not, don't worry about it.

01:56:08.000 But when he walks through, he's like, and then when I walk through the ropes, I'm a god.

01:56:13.000 Yeah.

01:56:14.000 That just gives you goosebumps, man.

01:56:17.000 I totally think that that's what he thinks, too.

01:56:19.000 Man, when I walk into the cage, like I said, when I feel untouchable now, that's how I feel.

01:56:25.000 Do it from the beginning.

01:56:26.000 Take it from the beginning. 1.00

01:56:27.000 Fuck no. 1.00

01:56:27.000 As soon as I come into the ring... 1.00

01:56:29.000 No, from the beginning.

01:56:30.000 No, stop it.

01:56:32.000 That's not true.

01:56:33.000 Oh, here it is.

01:56:34.000 While I'm in the dressing room, five minutes before I come out, my gloves are laced up.

01:56:39.000 I'm breaking my gloves down.

01:56:41.000 I'm pushing the lever on the back of my gloves.

01:56:43.000 I'm breaking the middle of the gloves where my knuckle could pierce through the leg.

01:56:45.000 I feel my knuckle piercing against the tight leather gloves on the Everlast boxing gloves.

01:56:50.000 When I come out, I have supreme confidence.

01:56:52.000 I'm scared to death.

01:56:54.000 I'm totally afraid.

01:56:55.000 I'm afraid of everything.

01:56:56.000 I'm afraid of losing.

01:56:57.000 I'm afraid of being humiliated.

01:56:58.000 But I'm totally confident.

01:57:00.000 The closer I get to the ring, the more confidence I get.

01:57:02.000 The closer, the more confidence I get.

01:57:04.000 The closer, the more confidence I get.

01:57:06.000 All during my training, I've been afraid of this man.

01:57:08.000 I thought this man might be capable of beating me.

01:57:11.000 I've dreamed of him beating me.

01:57:13.000 But I always stayed afraid of him.

01:57:15.000 But the closer I get to the ring, I'm more confident.

01:57:18.000 Once I'm in the ring, I'm a god.

01:57:19.000 No one could beat me.

01:57:21.000 I walk around the ring, but I never take my eyes off my opponent.

01:57:29.000 I keep my eyes on him, even if he's ready and pumping.

01:57:32.000 He can't wait to get his hands on me as well.

01:57:35.000 I keep my eyes on him, I keep my eyes on him, I keep my eyes on him.

01:57:39.000 Then once I see a chink in his arm, boom! 1.00

01:57:41.000 One of his eyes may move, and then I know I have him.

01:57:44.000 Then when he comes to the center of the ring, Jesus.

01:58:00.000 During the fight I'm supremely confident.

01:58:02.000 I'm moving my head, he's throwing punches.

01:58:04.000 I'm making a miss and I'm countering.

01:58:06.000 I'm hitting him to the body, I'm punching real hard.

01:58:09.000 And I'm punching him, when I'm punching him, I know he's not able to take my punches. 0.78

01:58:12.000 One, two, three punches. 0.97

01:58:14.000 I'm throwing him punches in bunches.

01:58:15.000 He goes down, he's out.

01:58:17.000 I'm victorious.

01:58:19.000 Mike Tyson, greatest fighter ever lived.

01:58:23.000 Yeah, bro.

01:58:23.000 That's how you learn how to be intense, man.

01:58:26.000 He's so fun to listen to talk.

01:58:28.000 Oh, yeah.

01:58:29.000 He's so fun to listen to talk.

01:58:31.000 When I got him fired up, last time I was talking to him, he started talking about Conquerors.

01:58:35.000 He started talking about Genghis Khan, and he realized how much he studied those people.

01:58:39.000 I read a lot about those people also.

01:58:41.000 Yeah?

01:58:41.000 Yep.

01:58:42.000 I like studying war strategy, and he brought up Napoleon and all of those guys.

01:58:47.000 Yep, I'm...

01:58:49.000 I like to read when I'm in camp. 0.82

01:58:51.000 Like, I'll read, like, as much, you know, war strategy and shit on war and stuff on combat and psychology of combat and all of that stuff. 0.54

01:58:59.000 I'll read that stuff because I really believe, man, like, you can really program that in your brain, you know?

01:59:04.000 So, like, the first 30, 40 minutes of my day when I'm in training camp and outside, but I'm just reading different things when I'm outside of training camp is, like, war stuff, man, because you can really program.

01:59:14.000 I think you can program yourself to not only, like...

01:59:18.000 It's important in performance, man, but fighting is so much bigger than just what's happening in the cage, man.

01:59:23.000 It's a place.

01:59:26.000 It's a certain environment.

01:59:28.000 It's a certain place that you need to put yourself in that just is where you need to be, in my opinion, to be at the level that I'm competing at now.

01:59:40.000 So when you say war books, what kind of books are you reading?

01:59:44.000 I'm really enjoying Robert Greene's The 33 Strategies of War, which kind of just covers like a lot of, you know, each chapter is a different strategy of war.

01:59:54.000 And I'll read each chapter and, you know, sit and kind of think about like, okay, how can I use this in my arena?

02:00:00.000 You know, because not a lot of it is just on the actual combat part.

02:00:07.000 What we're doing, man, because I get a lot of praise or compliments on how technical I am. 0.94

02:00:12.000 I could give a shit less how technical I am. 0.76

02:00:15.000 I could care less about how good of a striker I am. 0.98

02:00:18.000 I could care less about how skilled I am or any of that.

02:00:21.000 What I want to be is a master of war.

02:00:24.000 That extends way past technical part.

02:00:27.000 That extends into the level of intensity that you're bringing in when you walk into a fight.

02:00:32.000 It extends into how you're living each day in day life and how your relationships go.

02:00:37.000 And, uh, it's, it's way outside the cage, man.

02:00:40.000 So, for me, in camp, I'm not a very fun guy to be around, you know, like, because I'm programming myself in order to, you know, be as war-minded as possible. 0.98

02:00:50.000 And that, you know, like I said, that shit don't work in real life. 0.75

02:00:53.000 So, uh, I'm trying to find nice balance in it, but, uh, It's just different, man. 0.99

02:00:59.000 When you're reading those things, I feel it in my bones, man.

02:01:02.000 I'm just a different person.

02:01:03.000 The way I see things, the way I view things is just geared towards how do I get what I want through all of these things.

02:01:09.000 And this is something that you're programming your mind to think like.

02:01:13.000 Yep, definitely.

02:01:14.000 It's just something where – I mean books are just brain food and I spend my first 30 or 45 minutes of every day reading something like that because I think it gets me in that gear.

02:01:26.000 It gets me – It just gets me in that war brain like you see with Tyson.

02:01:32.000 It gets me going in that direction.

02:01:34.000 And it's kind of a peaking process as camp kind of goes through.

02:01:38.000 In the beginning, obviously, it doesn't need to be too intense.

02:01:40.000 Around like four or five weeks out, it's pretty intense.

02:01:44.000 About three weeks away, I don't really care too much about what else is happening in life or in the world or whatever.

02:01:50.000 It's solely like that night.

02:01:52.000 And then two weeks away is a little bit more intense.

02:01:55.000 One week away, my entire...

02:01:57.000 Fight week, I don't do anything.

02:01:59.000 I do my media, but I literally just lay in bed and I imagine how I want the fight to go.

02:02:05.000 What's going to go right?

02:02:06.000 What's going to go wrong?

02:02:07.000 When things start to go wrong, how am I going to react to that?

02:02:11.000 It's literally just me laying in bed.

02:02:14.000 Every once in a while, I'll go hang out with my corners. 0.97

02:02:16.000 I'll watch TV, something stupid, for an hour with them. 0.52

02:02:19.000 I'll go back to my room. 0.99

02:02:20.000 I'll do the same thing again.

02:02:22.000 It's this peaking process that you...

02:02:25.000 That I never knew anything about until I started kind of like gearing my mind for war and talking with people and talking with my sports psychologist and all of that.

02:02:33.000 It's a peaking process, man.

02:02:35.000 So that when I walk into the arena that night, now, you know, now that I feel like I'm a new fighter, I'm ready to flip the switch like this.

02:02:46.000 You know, like when I'm getting my hands taped, I'm sitting there and I'm like, Let me put my hands on someone.

02:02:52.000 And I think that that's from the reading of the books, from the peaking process, from the visualizations, from having thoughts of wanting to really put your hands on someone to put it nicely and laying in bed and not thinking about anything else except for how dominant you're going to be in this fight.

02:03:12.000 It's a whole new thing for me now, man.

02:03:15.000 In the last couple of fights, it's for sure flourished.

02:03:20.000 So before that, on the week of the fight, how would you, in your previous fights, how would you handle the week of the fight?

02:03:26.000 Distract myself.

02:03:26.000 I see that all the time with fighters too, is they'll try to distract themselves as much as possible.

02:03:31.000 And if you don't give yourself time, whether it's a week before, 10 weeks before, whatever, if you don't give yourself time to sit with those thoughts that are happening inside your head, they're going to come out.

02:03:43.000 And they're going to come out 10 minutes before the fight, 15 minutes before the fight, and you're not going to have time to deal with those.

02:03:50.000 In my belief.

02:03:52.000 So I don't try to distract myself.

02:03:54.000 I sit there and I watch everything that's happening in my brain and I'll say, okay, yeah, that's good.

02:03:59.000 I don't really want that idea.

02:04:00.000 I don't want that thought in there.

02:04:01.000 So let's not, you know, you don't have any business being here.

02:04:04.000 Like one, I think, really good example is the morning I woke up to fight Frankie.

02:04:11.000 And I've had this happen in the past too and I didn't know how to deal with it.

02:04:15.000 I just didn't feel like fighting.

02:04:17.000 I don't know if it's because of the moment or because I think after doing a lot of thinking about it, I think it's that my Eastern way of thinking about things where it's like no desire, no attachment, no this.

02:04:31.000 It wants to make your life feel really small.

02:04:34.000 It wants you to have goals that are this big because anything this big you're going to have to suffer that much more for.

02:04:43.000 That's in me.

02:04:44.000 I did a lot of time programming that in me, but the day of the fight isn't for that.

02:04:48.000 The day of the fight is for me to be wired in on getting the job done.

02:04:54.000 That morning of the fight, I just didn't feel like fighting.

02:04:57.000 I think it's just because I tried to make it little.

02:05:00.000 You try to tell yourself all kinds of things like, if you lose, nothing really changes.

02:05:05.000 Blah, blah, blah.

02:05:05.000 You start making excuses for yourself.

02:05:07.000 And I think that that's why I try to make things small.

02:05:10.000 But I remember I was writing in my journal that morning because I couldn't get the thought out of my head.

02:05:15.000 I couldn't get it out where I was like, man, I got to fight later.

02:05:17.000 Like, that's a really intense thing.

02:05:19.000 Like, I don't know if...

02:05:19.000 I don't really feel like doing that.

02:05:21.000 And then I started writing in my journal.

02:05:23.000 And it's just another demon in your head that wants to make your life this big.

02:05:26.000 When really, like...

02:05:28.000 We're not made to be this big.

02:05:31.000 We're made to do what we want with our lives. 1.00

02:05:34.000 And that little demon in there, fuck that guy. 1.00

02:05:39.000 Fuck that guy. 1.00

02:05:40.000 And I really believe if I tried to distract myself that whole day and not think about that, that demon would have popped up and been like, hey, guess what, bitch? 1.00

02:05:54.000 We're happening 10-15 minutes before the fight. 0.99

02:05:56.000 You're feeling small.

02:05:58.000 And like, I don't do that anymore.

02:06:00.000 I sit there in bed and I just think and I watch my thoughts and I just make sure that I'm 100% geared and ready to go.

02:06:07.000 Wow, that's heavy.

02:06:09.000 I love it.

02:06:09.000 That's going to be some kid's version of that Mike Tyson speech right now.

02:06:13.000 Just like a little bit more of a nasally voice.

02:06:16.000 A little bit paler skin. 1.00

02:06:19.000 But it's also like, you know, you're talking about some real shit. 0.99

02:06:22.000 Like the little mind games that your head plays on you. 0.99

02:06:27.000 Where your head's like, ah, it doesn't matter if you win or lose.

02:06:30.000 It's no big deal.

02:06:31.000 Your head tries to diminish the moment.

02:06:34.000 Because confronting the reality of what you're about to do, it's so difficult to do that you can be crippled just by the anxiety of it.

02:06:42.000 Yeah.

02:06:43.000 It's easier to be small than it is to be big.

02:06:45.000 I used to name my egos. 0.99

02:06:47.000 I used to name them because I would watch them and it'd be like similar shit popping up over and over again. 0.98

02:06:52.000 So I used to just name all of the voices so that I didn't attach myself to me. 0.96

02:06:58.000 The one that would get pissed off a lot, I would name him Samson.

02:07:02.000 So whenever I would catch myself being really angry, I'd be like...

02:07:06.000 Nah, not today, Samson.

02:07:07.000 Maybe a little bit later, like maybe during practice.

02:07:10.000 But right now, not right now.

02:07:12.000 And then I'd have Charlie.

02:07:13.000 Charlie wanted to go out all the time and he wanted to have fun and he didn't want to train hard.

02:07:19.000 And I named Charlie and I told Charlie to go away a bunch of times. 0.99

02:07:22.000 And I had a bunch of names for all of these little demons inside of my head that I would just have to tell to fuck off sometimes. 0.99

02:07:29.000 Interesting. 1.00

02:07:30.000 Yeah.

02:07:31.000 You named them.

02:07:32.000 It makes it easier that way.

02:07:34.000 Because then you're not identifying that it's me that's thinking this. 1.00

02:07:37.000 It's just some stupid person. 1.00

02:07:39.000 Oh, interesting. 1.00

02:07:40.000 It helped me a lot.

02:07:41.000 It helped me a lot.

02:07:42.000 How do you know who's who?

02:07:44.000 Any thought is someone.

02:07:47.000 I think even the good thoughts are the ones that are the most dangerous because they're the ones that you want to have, but they might not be the healthiest because they can get greedy and they can get hungry. 0.99

02:07:58.000 For example, I want shit. 0.98

02:08:01.000 I don't like nice things. 0.99

02:08:03.000 I'm not big on all of that stuff, but I want to set myself up and my future family up with a good life.

02:08:11.000 And sometimes that voice even gets a little bit greedy where it's like, I'm looking for things to invest in.

02:08:17.000 I'm looking for, you know, how much more can I get on my next contract, this and that.

02:08:21.000 And I haven't named that one because that's kind of a new one because now I'm actually making some money.

02:08:25.000 But I haven't named that one.

02:08:28.000 But even that one, I'll be like, not today, man.

02:08:29.000 We're a little bit too close to the fight.

02:08:31.000 I don't need to be stressing about where I'm investing my money.

02:08:33.000 Right now, it's just about, you know, taking care of business.

02:08:37.000 Yeah.

02:08:38.000 So, when you say that the good ideas, they can be a problem, too.

02:08:45.000 The good thoughts.

02:08:46.000 The good thoughts, yeah.

02:08:47.000 I see people do that all the time.

02:08:49.000 So, for example, I think that when you interview a fighter and you hear them not acknowledge anything that their opponent does well, I think that that's, you know, you...

02:09:01.000 That's a good thought that can sabotage you later.

02:09:05.000 So if I'm like, okay, well, Sterling's a really good grappler, but he can't strike.

02:09:11.000 It's like, that's not true.

02:09:12.000 He can strike, but me telling myself that is a good thought for me. 0.88

02:09:17.000 It maybe makes me a little bit less anxious, but is it true?

02:09:19.000 No.

02:09:20.000 So why am I telling myself that good thing?

02:09:22.000 It's only so that I can get a little bit less stressed, but it's not a good thing because it's not true.

02:09:28.000 Right, that makes sense.

02:09:29.000 It's those good ones, man, the good ones.

02:09:31.000 Like, for example, I'm on a roll right now.

02:09:32.000 Like, I knock Frankie out. 0.96

02:09:33.000 It's hard for me sometimes to not feel like the man right now, a little bit.

02:09:37.000 Like, my ego wants to feel like the man.

02:09:40.000 But it's like, nah, man, not today.

02:09:42.000 You know, not today.

02:09:44.000 We got training today.

02:09:45.000 But you should feel a little bit like the man.

02:09:47.000 Should you?

02:09:48.000 I don't know.

02:09:49.000 Just a touch.

02:09:50.000 Well, should.

02:09:51.000 I mean, I definitely do, so that's not an issue.

02:09:53.000 There you go, though.

02:09:54.000 Well, you're admitting it.

02:09:56.000 There's something to it.

02:09:57.000 It's like you're recognizing and acknowledging that all this hard work and even these mindsets that you put yourself in where you do grapple with reality, it's working.

02:10:10.000 It's clearly working in two big fights in a row.

02:10:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:10:15.000 But also I think that that little voice that makes you feel like the man, if he gets, just like any voice, if it gets carried away, it's going to lead to me not doing what I need to do in order for me to keep excelling and keep doing better and better.

02:10:27.000 And I think that...

02:10:28.000 It's easy to ride a nice wave.

02:10:31.000 Like we were talking about earlier, when you lose, you never want that to happen again.

02:10:35.000 But when you're winning, you're kind of coasting.

02:10:37.000 You're doing good.

02:10:38.000 It's not easy to make a change when you're winning.

02:10:42.000 But changes still need to happen when you're winning.

02:10:44.000 That's the problem, right?

02:10:46.000 When everything's going great, then things are kind of comfortable.

02:10:48.000 And when things are comfortable, you're not growing.

02:10:50.000 Yeah.

02:10:50.000 And it feels good.

02:10:51.000 It feels good to be comfortable.

02:10:53.000 But it's not good.

02:10:54.000 It's not good to be comfortable.

02:10:56.000 Especially in this sport. 0.99

02:10:57.000 You'll get fucked up in this sport if you get too comfortable. 0.98

02:10:59.000 I think it's probably in almost anything that's difficult. 0.99

02:11:02.000 Yep.

02:11:02.000 Comfort is probably a bad idea.

02:11:04.000 Yep.

02:11:05.000 All the time, man.

02:11:08.000 And maybe I have an issue of taking a breath, smelling the flowers, because I want to win a world title.

02:11:15.000 I want to reign as the champ for a really long time.

02:11:17.000 That's why I have my heart set on.

02:11:19.000 So it's really hard for me to just pause and be like, all right, cool.

02:11:21.000 I just had a really great knockout against Frankie.

02:11:25.000 Awesome.

02:11:26.000 That's really hard for me to do.

02:11:27.000 I know that it's important, but...

02:11:31.000 Nah, man.

02:11:31.000 I want a world title really bad.

02:11:34.000 So you are sitting here waiting on the results of this Saturday, and you're likely in the running.

02:11:40.000 There's just a couple other people that are in the running.

02:11:42.000 There's Pedro Munoz.

02:11:44.000 There's, again, we talked about...

02:11:46.000 There's no way TJ's going to come back and get a direct shot at the title, especially after getting popped for EPO. So he's going to have to beat at least one person, probably a couple people.

02:11:56.000 Um, where do you see the division right now?

02:12:00.000 When you look at that, like, you are likely one of the next guys in line for the title.

02:12:06.000 Would you be willing to fight one more time for the title?

02:12:09.000 Are you going to hold out for a title shot?

02:12:11.000 Like, what's your thoughts?

02:12:12.000 I don't like the idea of holding out.

02:12:15.000 Um...

02:12:19.000 No, it would be, you know, if they give me the title shot, great.

02:12:22.000 If I have to win another one, I'm cool with that too.

02:12:24.000 You know, I want it to be for a number one contender spot, and I feel like the only people that are really in that conversation is probably Garbrandt and probably TJ. But even Garbrandt, right, who has one victory after losing three in a row.

02:12:38.000 And then, I mean, even TJ coming back from a two-year suspension.

02:12:41.000 It's like, you know, should he even?

02:12:43.000 So at this point, I really think that I'm the man.

02:12:46.000 You know, like, I'm the guy that should be getting called out.

02:12:48.000 What's your ranking right now?

02:12:50.000 Two.

02:12:50.000 I've been two since I beat Marlon.

02:12:53.000 Yeah, Sterling's one.

02:12:55.000 And then when I beat Marlon, I became two.

02:12:57.000 I stayed number two when I beat Frankie. 0.93

02:12:58.000 So it's got to be you next.

02:13:00.000 I mean, as a purist, that's how I look at it.

02:13:02.000 As a purist, yeah.

02:13:03.000 And then where's Pedro?

02:13:05.000 Pedro Munoz.

02:13:06.000 Where's he still?

02:13:06.000 I think he was maybe 7 or 8 before Rivera.

02:13:10.000 And after the Rivera fight, where's he at?

02:13:11.000 Okay, so Rob Font.

02:13:13.000 That's right. 1.00

02:13:13.000 Rob Font's a bad motherfucker, too. 1.00

02:13:14.000 Oh, yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:13:14.000 Rob Font was good. 1.00

02:13:15.000 God damn, what a stacked division. 0.99

02:13:17.000 What a stacked division. 1.00

02:13:19.000 And Jose's still number 5. Interesting.

02:13:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:23.000 What a fucking division, man. 1.00

02:13:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:26.000 I mean, for me, I'm definitely open, man.

02:13:28.000 I mean, the UFC has been talking about doing a me and TJ fight.

02:13:32.000 You know?

02:13:32.000 I'm on board with that.

02:13:35.000 Yeah.

02:13:36.000 I don't know why it wasn't really him in February.

02:13:40.000 Because he was off of his suspension.

02:13:41.000 I was the number two guy in February.

02:13:43.000 I don't really know why it was him in February.

02:13:46.000 Anyways, man, I think that I should be either next for the title or given someone like the UFC has been talking about me and TJ, I'm open to that fight also.

02:13:54.000 Yeah.

02:13:54.000 So there's TJ, there's Cody, there's Rob Font.

02:13:57.000 Rob Font looks like a goddamn assassin now too. 0.99

02:14:00.000 He's very good. 1.00

02:14:01.000 So many good fighters, man.

02:14:03.000 What a crazy division.

02:14:05.000 People are so good.

02:14:07.000 There's so many good guys.

02:14:08.000 You can kind of forget about Rob Font until you see the rankings and you're like, Jack, Jesus.

02:14:12.000 Yeah.

02:14:13.000 He'll be one of those guys, though.

02:14:15.000 He'll be like a me. 0.90

02:14:17.000 He just needs two good finishes over these top guys.

02:14:20.000 Who did he just KO? He just KO'd Marlon.

02:14:23.000 That's right.

02:14:25.000 So he's already got one.

02:14:26.000 He just needs...

02:14:28.000 Yeah, Marlon.

02:14:30.000 Imagine going back to the first round of that Cejudo fight. 0.99

02:14:33.000 Marlon looked like a fucking world beater. 0.99

02:14:35.000 Looked like he was going to be the man. 1.00

02:14:37.000 Looks like the man.

02:14:38.000 You know, he's chiseled.

02:14:39.000 Guy's built like a Greek god.

02:14:40.000 Yeah, we were watching.

02:14:41.000 Me and my coach, Christian, we were watching that fight somewhere.

02:14:44.000 And, uh...

02:14:46.000 It was him and Cejudo that were fighting, and I forget when this was.

02:14:51.000 It must have not been too long ago, but Christian goes, yeah, man, you win that fight.

02:14:55.000 And I was like, what?

02:14:56.000 I was like, you said that with so much confidence, you know?

02:14:59.000 And I think that I can probably beat anyone, but I wouldn't answer that question with that much confidence if I was him, you know?

02:15:07.000 Why do you think you have so much confidence in you?

02:15:10.000 I think, you know, for me, like I said, I try to...

02:15:14.000 I don't know if I try to keep my confidence low, but I try to remind myself that I'm not where I want to be.

02:15:20.000 I don't want those good voices coming in too much.

02:15:23.000 I don't need them.

02:15:25.000 They don't help me at times.

02:15:27.000 They help me at other times, but I think that I don't really care to be too confident.

02:15:32.000 I think I care to be really good and...

02:15:34.000 And that's what I care about.

02:15:36.000 So I don't really see myself as a...

02:15:40.000 Like a phenomenal fighter, to be honest.

02:15:43.000 Like, I know that that's, comparatively, I probably am one of the best.

02:15:48.000 But in my head, I'm like, I have a picture of what a perfect fighter of me looks like, and I'm nowhere near that person.

02:15:56.000 And I compare myself to that person.

02:15:59.000 I don't compare myself to the other people in the division.

02:16:02.000 To me, I compare myself to that perfect fighter that I have in my own head.

02:16:06.000 Do you have a favorite fighter from the past that you like watching?

02:16:09.000 Yeah.

02:16:09.000 Dude, I used to be a huge fan of all those WEC guys.

02:16:12.000 Max Roni, Cruz, Faber, Aldo, of course.

02:16:17.000 Aldo is one of my favorites.

02:16:19.000 All of those guys from the past.

02:16:22.000 My probably all-time favorite fighter, though, is Andy Sauer.

02:16:26.000 Really?

02:16:27.000 Yeah, probably.

02:16:28.000 I mean, as far as kickboxing goes, definitely one of my favorite fighters.

02:16:31.000 So I went out in 2014 when I was still an amateur.

02:16:34.000 I was on the U.S. team for the WKA team.

02:16:38.000 And we went and competed.

02:16:39.000 And afterwards, because I used to train with Dwayne Ludwig also a little bit, I was like, hey, Dwayne, do you think I could go train with Andy for a couple weeks?

02:16:48.000 And he was like, yeah, yeah, we'll set it up.

02:16:49.000 And he actually did set it up.

02:16:51.000 And then, like, here I am after I fought in the WKAs, like, a couple days later, like, staying at Andy's neighbor's house, getting picked up by him at the little train station or however I got there.

02:17:07.000 And I was like, this guy really picked me up from the train station, you know?

02:17:12.000 Like, I was 20, 22 years old. 0.98

02:17:14.000 And I was like, damn, this guy is awesome, you know? 0.81

02:17:17.000 And he was, like, my favorite fighter of all time. 0.99

02:17:18.000 That was, like, one of my favorite moments in my whole life is, like, seeing him pick me up in this, like, ugly-ass van.

02:17:24.000 I was like, this guy, is this really happening, you know? 0.96

02:17:27.000 That's pretty dope.

02:17:28.000 Yeah, it was dope.

02:17:29.000 I wish kickboxing was more popular today.

02:17:31.000 I really do.

02:17:31.000 I do, too.

02:17:32.000 It was huge, K1 days.

02:17:34.000 Yeah, in Japan.

02:17:35.000 Yeah, I was a little bit too young, but I'm sure you really, really appreciated that, huh?

02:17:39.000 Oh, man, I can only imagine.

02:17:40.000 Yeah, to me, it's a bummer that Glory never really caught on. 0.98

02:17:45.000 I mean, I still watch the events, but, you know, you gotta buy it through some fucking janky app. 0.96

02:17:50.000 It's weird. 0.91

02:17:51.000 Like, last time it barely worked.

02:17:52.000 You had to do it online, and it was annoying.

02:17:55.000 Yeah.

02:17:55.000 It's like, I want it to be on pay-per-view, like regular TV, like, you know, like the UFC is.

02:18:02.000 I hate all those apps, bro.

02:18:04.000 We gotta do some of it.

02:18:06.000 Consolidate the apps, man.

02:18:08.000 Consolidate, at least the fighting ones.

02:18:09.000 This was on Fight, F-I-T-E. Yeah, I know that one.

02:18:14.000 There should be more of a demand for high-level Muay Thai and high-level kickboxing.

02:18:20.000 Like, I don't get it.

02:18:21.000 It's so exciting.

02:18:22.000 One does an okay job.

02:18:24.000 Yeah, they do a good job.

02:18:24.000 One puts on some badass fights.

02:18:26.000 Yeah, they do.

02:18:27.000 I don't know how well they're paying their guys, but they put on some badass fights.

02:18:30.000 They pay them well.

02:18:30.000 They got Nikki Holtzkin is going to fight John Wayne Parr.

02:18:35.000 Oh, sick.

02:18:36.000 After John Wayne Parr got a fake hip.

02:18:38.000 Seriously?

02:18:38.000 Yeah, he got his hip replaced.

02:18:40.000 He's got his hip resurfaced.

02:18:42.000 They completely resurfaced his hip and now he's throwing kicks again and everything.

02:18:46.000 You can get your hip replaced now and fight. 1.00

02:18:49.000 Damn. 1.00

02:18:49.000 I know. 1.00

02:18:50.000 That's crazy.

02:18:51.000 Yeah, the cap of his hip was so worn out. 0.98

02:18:54.000 He sent me the medical list of all the shit that was wrong with his hip. 0.96

02:18:58.000 And you're like, oh my god, it was like torn labrum, torn this, torn that, arthritis, cartilage damage, like everything's all fucked up in there. 0.99

02:19:06.000 That's crazy. 0.99

02:19:06.000 Just from years, you know, John is heavy with the left leg, throws a lot of left leg kicks, he just wore his shit out. 0.99

02:19:12.000 It was just completely torn apart. 0.94

02:19:14.000 Is he the guy that took the picture on Instagram of like all of the cuts on his face?

02:19:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:19:20.000 Lead cards announced for all one on TNT events.

02:19:25.000 So it's on TNT? Yeah.

02:19:27.000 Starting in April, they're going to have four cards that says kickboxing.

02:19:30.000 Is that kickboxing?

02:19:32.000 Kickboxing?

02:19:33.000 Maybe it's all of it, I guess.

02:19:34.000 I typed in kickboxing and I put it on the whole.

02:19:36.000 Well, they are doing some kickboxing with small gloves, and that's the fight with Nikki Holtzkin.

02:19:41.000 What do you think of that?

02:19:42.000 You like that?

02:19:42.000 Why not?

02:19:43.000 I like it.

02:19:44.000 Why not?

02:19:45.000 At first, I was like, this is weird, but I mean, why not?

02:19:48.000 If they're not poking each other in the eyes every 10 seconds, then why not?

02:19:52.000 So, what is this?

02:19:54.000 Flyweight World Championship, Marais vs.

02:19:56.000 Johnson.

02:19:58.000 How do they both have belts?

02:19:59.000 I don't watch one enough to know what's going on.

02:20:03.000 I know Mighty Mouse. 1.00

02:20:05.000 Mighty Mouse is still the fucking man. 0.98

02:20:06.000 Out of all the people that I've ever watched fight, he's one of the best examples of martial arts excellence that I've ever seen. 0.99

02:20:13.000 He's the GOAT, in my opinion, for me.

02:20:16.000 Technically, yeah.

02:20:17.000 And even just achievements-wise, like what he was able to do when he was at the top of his game.

02:20:22.000 And just how he's winning, too.

02:20:23.000 He's just crushing people when he wins. 1.00

02:20:26.000 Yeah, who the fuck did he slam and go... 1.00

02:20:29.000 For the armbar. 0.99

02:20:29.000 Yeah, who is it? 0.99

02:20:30.000 I don't know.

02:20:31.000 Um... 0.99

02:20:34.000 God damn it. 0.99

02:20:35.000 I see him. 1.00

02:20:37.000 I see his face.

02:20:40.000 He picked him up, slammed him, and threw him right into an armbar. 0.97

02:20:43.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ.

02:20:44.000 At that point, he was just showing off.

02:20:46.000 And he told me he does that all the time in training.

02:20:48.000 Ray Bork.

02:20:49.000 That's right.

02:20:49.000 Thank you.

02:20:50.000 Yeah.

02:20:51.000 I'm like, my God.

02:20:52.000 Imagine having that level of confidence. 0.99

02:20:54.000 We're just like, I'm going to do this shit in this fight against some of the best guys in the world. 0.98

02:20:58.000 In the Cejudo fight, it's like, yeah, Cejudo beat him, but... 0.97

02:21:04.000 He didn't beat him enough for like, you can't, like, why are you leaving?

02:21:08.000 I thought so too.

02:21:09.000 I thought so too.

02:21:10.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess he got a really great offer at 1FC and the UFC said, go ahead.

02:21:14.000 Yeah.

02:21:15.000 You know, I think the UFC is in this weird position with the flyweight where they're not 100% on board.

02:21:20.000 And Davidson Figueredo is a great champion right now, so they're excited about that.

02:21:24.000 And he was supposed to fight Cody.

02:21:25.000 Cody says he can make 125, so it's not a problem.

02:21:29.000 I believe it.

02:21:30.000 I think so too.

02:21:30.000 I fought on the same card as Cody.

02:21:33.000 He looks like he doesn't, you know, deplete himself too much.

02:21:37.000 No, I don't think he does.

02:21:38.000 You said it's not going to be much of a problem.

02:21:41.000 That's exciting.

02:21:43.000 If Cody can get down there and fight Figueiredo, that's a big fight.

02:21:45.000 But they're doing the Brandon Moreno rematch with Davis and Figueiredo, so Cody's going to stay at 35 for now.

02:21:54.000 That's something that the flyweight division needs though.

02:21:57.000 When TJ went down, I don't think TJ really could make that.

02:22:01.000 He made the weight, but he really almost killed himself.

02:22:05.000 I fought on the same card and his face did not look like a face that should be fighting the next day. 0.99

02:22:10.000 He looked like a guy who just got out of a fucking concentration camp. 0.99

02:22:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:22:13.000 He looked terrible. 1.00

02:22:14.000 He looked like a guy who, like, was starving in the woods, and they found him.

02:22:18.000 Like, they rescued him.

02:22:19.000 Yeah.

02:22:20.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:22:20.000 Yeah, like a little leathery.

02:22:22.000 Well, it just looks like everything was just sunken in.

02:22:25.000 There was nothing left of him.

02:22:26.000 It's just a terrible thing to do to your body, and then 24 hours later, you rehydrate and have a cage fight.

02:22:33.000 And for him, it was such a depletion that it wasn't even just dehydrating.

02:22:38.000 He said he went into anemia.

02:22:40.000 He was anemic.

02:22:41.000 And that's one of the reasons why he took EPO. Maybe that's an excuse.

02:22:45.000 But, you know, he said he couldn't get out of bed.

02:22:48.000 And meanwhile, he's supposed to be training for the biggest fight of his life.

02:22:51.000 If you can't get out of bed, you probably shouldn't be fighting in that weight class.

02:22:54.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:22:56.000 Especially against a beast like Cejudo. 0.95

02:22:59.000 Cejudo's a savage. 0.99

02:23:00.000 He's a savage, bro. 0.99

02:23:01.000 He really is.

02:23:02.000 He's one of those guys, and that's why I asked you earlier about you try to read people's demeanors when they walk into the cage.

02:23:08.000 He's one guy that I walk into the cage and I'm like, this guy's done this a million times.

02:23:11.000 Oh, yeah.

02:23:12.000 Yeah, he's done it a million times through his Olympic career and just fighting in general.

02:23:18.000 I was like, Yeah, this guy's been there.

02:23:20.000 And he's another guy too where a loss turned him into who he is.

02:23:24.000 That loss to Mighty Mouse.

02:23:25.000 Mighty Mouse stopped him.

02:23:28.000 He realized, okay, I just got to the top of the mountain. 1.00

02:23:31.000 This dude really is the fucking man. 0.99

02:23:33.000 I have another level to achieve. 1.00

02:23:36.000 Now I have to get better.

02:23:37.000 You need him sometimes, man.

02:23:39.000 They hurt, but you need him sometimes.

02:23:41.000 It is really interesting that the mind, like, there's no clear, you can't just go, well, this is the work that you have to do, this is the mindset that you have to put in.

02:23:51.000 No, it's like a constant wrestling match with your consciousness.

02:23:54.000 Constant wrestling match with seeking comfort and avoiding injury and avoiding, I don't want to be tired, I don't want to push myself.

02:24:03.000 It's this constant battle of you trying to get control of your emotions and your mind and your body.

02:24:10.000 Yeah, it's non-stop, man.

02:24:13.000 Especially when you're losing...

02:24:14.000 Bro, like, I swear for 10 weeks, or I guess so I do 10-week camps, for 9 weeks, every single day I'm sore, and every single day I'm like, today is probably going to suck a little bit, you know, for 9 weeks.

02:24:27.000 And then that last week I tried to taper, and even then I'm like losing weight and having a sweat and stuff, so it's even shitty then.

02:24:32.000 And then I wake up on the fight and I'm like, okay, whew, I finally feel like an athlete, you know?

02:24:37.000 What do you weigh right now?

02:24:38.000 I'm probably, I'm a little bit bigger right now, so I'm probably a little under 160. Whoa.

02:24:43.000 Yeah.

02:24:44.000 Like 58. I would guess that I'm probably 58. I don't check when I'm out of camp.

02:24:48.000 But in camp, I'm probably, you know, training good and like eating still what I want.

02:24:52.000 I'm probably about 53. And so how hard does that cut?

02:24:56.000 I try to get to 148 a week before and then I just lose the last 13. So really I'm going from 53 of like being in good shape and eating okay, losing five pounds and then cutting that last 13 that week.

02:25:09.000 And are you depleting, are you doing that water load thing where you drink a lot of water?

02:25:15.000 Yeah, so I'll do the trifecta meals.

02:25:19.000 The UFC sends out trifecta meals to me for that camp.

02:25:23.000 And then, yeah, so nine days away.

02:25:26.000 So I guess the golden rule now, and who knows, is probably different for everyone, but you're supposed to do...

02:25:32.000 A pound of water for every pound that you have to lose when you're 10 days away.

02:25:37.000 So if I'm 14 pounds heavy then I have to lose each gallon I think is 8 pounds.

02:25:41.000 So I'm drinking about a little bit over a gallon and a half because that would be about 14 pounds 10 days away in water.

02:25:49.000 That way I can flush through all of that water is going in me so I have it to lose.

02:25:54.000 Do you have a weight cutting coach?

02:25:56.000 I used to work with this woman named Laylee. 1.00

02:26:00.000 She's the one that got me on that.

02:26:02.000 When I worked with her, those were the smoothest, easiest cuts that I've ever had.

02:26:06.000 Now I'm using Trifecta, but I'm still doing a lot of the things that Laylee taught me in those years.

02:26:13.000 And so Trifecta, do they give you the meals based on your weight class, the calorie output, where you're at in your training?

02:26:22.000 Like how do you know?

02:26:23.000 No, it takes some tapering or tampering.

02:26:27.000 Like I have to do – sometimes I can eat a little bit more and sometimes I can't some weeks and I just cut the portion.

02:26:35.000 I give it to the dogs if I'm a little bit heavier and I need to do that.

02:26:40.000 Just based on the scale?

02:26:41.000 Just based on the scale, yep.

02:26:42.000 And I'm pretty good at like going to bed and being like, I'll probably weigh this tomorrow just depending on like how hungry or how hard I've worked out that day.

02:26:50.000 So I've got it down pretty good.

02:26:52.000 You know, honestly, I think that the reload is the most important part or maybe not most important part because I don't cut an incredible amount of weight.

02:27:01.000 It's not like I'm doing 20 in a week or whatever, but...

02:27:03.000 I think it's really underrated how you put the weight back on and what you're putting in your body.

02:27:09.000 And the UFC does a really good job of giving us all of our shakes and stuff after the weight cuts so that we're actually feeling good when we walk into the cage.

02:27:17.000 That is very nice that the UFC provides all that.

02:27:20.000 What is your process?

02:27:22.000 You weigh in.

02:27:23.000 You're good.

02:27:24.000 You weigh in.

02:27:25.000 They give you three drinks.

02:27:28.000 Two in shaker bottles.

02:27:30.000 One in a two liter thing.

02:27:35.000 It's like a bunch of sugar.

02:27:40.000 I'm forgetting the name of the sugar supplement, but it's pretty much just like a sugar that gets absorbed by your muscles a lot quicker.

02:27:47.000 It has that, it has obviously some electrolytes, some aminos, and then some other stuff that I'm not sure about.

02:27:53.000 They give you a list, but I'm blanking on it now.

02:27:55.000 Is that in shake one?

02:27:57.000 Shake two is something a little bit different and then they give you that bottle of water with pretty much similar things.

02:28:04.000 So it's a lot of amino acids, obviously a lot of electrolytes and a lot of sugar because your muscles are full of sugar.

02:28:10.000 You don't want to just, you know, it's not about pounding a bunch of water.

02:28:13.000 It's about pounding a bunch of water that's going to go back into your muscles of what your muscles need.

02:28:18.000 And they provide this to all the athletes?

02:28:20.000 Yep.

02:28:20.000 Wow.

02:28:21.000 That's amazing.

02:28:22.000 Yeah, it's cool too.

02:28:24.000 It's really good.

02:28:25.000 I feel good going into the fights.

02:28:29.000 The guy Charles that works there is just a really knowledgeable and easy guy to work with.

02:28:36.000 He really...

02:28:38.000 Tells you exactly what to do and it's easy when a scientist is telling you exactly what to do because before, it's like, should I eat pizza instead of drink this gallon of water?

02:28:48.000 And it's like, I'm definitely choosing the pizza.

02:28:50.000 Right, right, right.

02:28:51.000 The UFC's Performance Institute, what they've done by setting that place up is pretty extraordinary.

02:28:57.000 To have a place where fighters can choose to go down there and do their camps.

02:29:01.000 You have world-class coaches and people that understand strength and conditioning and recovery and all these different ways to keep your body fit and healthy for a fight.

02:29:15.000 And then also to analyze where your weight cuts at, where your body fat's at, what's your VO2 max. 0.64

02:29:21.000 Having one A one-stop shop with a big, giant, state-of-the-art facility they developed is really fucking incredible.

02:29:30.000 Yeah, all of that stuff.

02:29:31.000 All of that stuff with the rings and the bands and stuff that measure your heart rate and stuff.

02:29:38.000 I think it's just going to make athletes get this much better, man.

02:29:42.000 Talking about the evolution of the sport, especially in the sport of fighting, I don't think that we've seen too much actual scientific stuff.

02:29:49.000 Because there's probably just not as much money as the NFL and the NBA and athletics and other areas.

02:29:55.000 And the players of those sports have a lot more money to spend on those types of things.

02:29:58.000 But I think that we're going to start to see money get dumped into the sport of MMA. And then we're going to really start understanding the science of cutting weight and how to put muscle on and what type of muscle to put on and all of that jazz.

02:30:12.000 Now, did you ever rehydrate with IVs before they had an IV ban?

02:30:16.000 I did once and it didn't really...

02:30:18.000 It was like when I was an amateur too.

02:30:21.000 It was okay.

02:30:24.000 Do you think that rehydrating orally is just as good or better?

02:30:27.000 I mean, I've only done the IV once, so I guess I can only speak to that one experience.

02:30:31.000 But, I mean, I don't ever feel like I'm dehydrated when I walk into the cage, you know?

02:30:36.000 Like, I'm usually walking in at, like, now 51 or 52, where before it was, like, 47, 48, just because I wasn't doing all of the posture stuff and, you know, getting certain things strong.

02:30:48.000 But now I'm walking in at, like, yeah, 51, 52. Yeah.

02:30:51.000 What would you think about a fight with no weight cuts?

02:30:54.000 I'm okay with it.

02:30:55.000 Do you think that we're ever going to get to a point where people stop doing that, where they can figure out a way to stop fighters from cutting weight?

02:31:02.000 I think when the sport gets mainstream enough, I think it's going to.

02:31:06.000 Because I think that there's going to be a lot of...

02:31:08.000 Eventually, man, as much as I hate to say it, like...

02:31:12.000 I mean, it's already happened, but some guys, you know, they have to pull out of fights because they're cutting weight and fainting and all of that stuff.

02:31:19.000 You know, eventually, if the sport is going to be, you know, on the level of the NFL and all of that, I think it's going to be where they have to kind of take that out or else it's going to be too brutal for, like, the common audience to watch.

02:31:31.000 Didn't it just happen with Bobby Green?

02:31:33.000 Didn't he just pull out of a fight because of a weight cut?

02:31:35.000 I think he blacked out the weight cut.

02:31:37.000 I'm pretty sure.

02:31:38.000 Is that why the Munoz and Rivera fight got cancelled the first time?

02:31:42.000 Because that time that they fought last wasn't their first time scheduled.

02:31:46.000 I think it was before.

02:31:47.000 Well, they fought once before.

02:31:48.000 They fought in like 2000...

02:31:51.000 16 or something?

02:31:52.000 Yeah, I think that they were scheduled, though, a couple weeks before this last fight that they had, and I think it was, maybe, you know, I'm not sure, but I think it was maybe a scenario.

02:32:00.000 But yeah, man, that stuff happens, you know, like, you can't be passing out, cutting weight.

02:32:04.000 That's too brutal for people.

02:32:05.000 If we want, like, the mass population watching, I think that that's probably a little too brutal.

02:32:10.000 It seems like something, to me it seems like almost it's one thing they've been doing this way for so long that they just keep doing it.

02:32:18.000 Whereas if they came along today and there was a blank slate and they said, alright, do you think it's a good idea if the fighters just dehydrate the fuck out of themselves 24 hours before they fight?

02:32:28.000 You'd be like... 1.00

02:32:29.000 That's dumb. 1.00

02:32:30.000 Why would I do that? 1.00

02:32:31.000 Why would they do that?

02:32:31.000 That's terrible.

02:32:32.000 They're about to fight.

02:32:33.000 They're working to get their body in optimum condition.

02:32:36.000 It's one of the worst things you could do to yourself is dehydrate yourself.

02:32:40.000 Your body's like, what, 60-something percent water? 1.00

02:32:42.000 Why the fuck would you do that? 1.00

02:32:44.000 That's a dumb idea. 1.00

02:32:45.000 Oh, it's just spitballing. 1.00

02:32:46.000 Just throwing some ideas around.

02:32:47.000 Yeah, it's just the way that we do things.

02:32:49.000 Yeah, people go, what are you saying? 1.00

02:32:51.000 Shut up. 0.99

02:32:51.000 Imagine the world if we did that with everything. 0.99

02:32:54.000 And when people miss weight, that sucks, man.

02:32:57.000 There's a lot of statistics, too, on the person that misses weight is oftentimes the winner of that fight.

02:33:05.000 I, to be honest, think that they should take a point from people that miss weight.

02:33:11.000 That's not a bad idea, but it's almost like you should not let him fight.

02:33:15.000 Or not let him fight at all.

02:33:17.000 Yeah, I think, you know, it's one thing it's an undercard fight, but like for a championship fight, I almost think you should send him home.

02:33:23.000 Yeah.

02:33:23.000 Which is crazy to say.

02:33:25.000 I know it's stupid, but look at Luke Rockhold and Yoel Romero. 0.97

02:33:29.000 Yoel Romero and Luke Rockhold are fighting for the title, right? 0.97

02:33:33.000 Luke Rockhold makes way, Yoel doesn't.

02:33:36.000 Yoel knocks out Luke Rockhold, doesn't win the title.

02:33:40.000 I'd be pissed if I'm Luke.

02:33:42.000 Bro.

02:33:43.000 Super pissed.

02:33:44.000 This has happened before.

02:33:45.000 It's not the only time that's happened.

02:33:47.000 That happened with Davis and Figueiredo and Benavidez the first time they fought.

02:33:51.000 Yep.

02:33:52.000 Figueiredo doesn't make the weight.

02:33:55.000 KOs Benavidez, doesn't win the title.

02:33:57.000 Yeah.

02:33:59.000 What?

02:34:00.000 Yeah, it'd be hard to get rid of, though.

02:34:02.000 It'd be really hard to get rid of.

02:34:04.000 I think there's a way.

02:34:05.000 I mean, they do hydration tests with high school wrestling and college wrestling.

02:34:08.000 It can be done.

02:34:10.000 It's just, it would have to be...

02:34:12.000 First of all, you'd have to give people way more options in terms of weight classes, and I think that's something we were speaking about earlier.

02:34:17.000 I really think you have to have at least every 10 pounds, and you might be right every 5 pounds, but there's this idea that that would somehow or another water down the sport, like...

02:34:26.000 Is that true?

02:34:27.000 I don't think that's true.

02:34:29.000 Look at Canelo Alvarez.

02:34:30.000 Look how he keeps going up in weight and beating these guys and winning titles all the way up to light heavyweight.

02:34:35.000 Knocks out Kovalev at light heavyweight and comes back down.

02:34:37.000 Fights at 68. I believe he was 52 when he fought Mayweather.

02:34:42.000 He fights all sorts of different weight classes.

02:34:45.000 Yeah, I will say I think that there is this huge emphasis on having to fight in one weight class and to be the biggest guy in the weight class.

02:34:54.000 I don't think that that's super important.

02:34:56.000 I fought 145 for most of my professional career, but when I got into the UFC, I was like, okay, I'll lose the weight for that amount of money.

02:35:04.000 I won't lose it for a couple grand and whatever promotion I was fighting in before, but it's like...

02:35:11.000 I don't think it's too huge of a thing, you know?

02:35:15.000 And I think that, you know, we're starting to see that now where it's like, no, like, you can jump up a weight class and still do really well because it's not a huge deal.

02:35:23.000 But we're going to find out this weekend.

02:35:26.000 Because if Adesanya really does weigh at 193, and let me tell you something, man.

02:35:30.000 If he could stop Blachowicz at light heavyweight and become champ champ and he doesn't even gain weight, Jesus, Luizus.

02:35:37.000 Yeah.

02:35:38.000 And if anybody could do it. 1.00

02:35:39.000 He might be the fucking man. 1.00

02:35:42.000 Yeah, he's crazy enough to do it. 1.00

02:35:44.000 He's so good, man.

02:35:45.000 Yeah, he's so good.

02:35:45.000 He's so good.

02:35:46.000 That Paulo Costa fight, what an eye-opener that was.

02:35:48.000 Yeah.

02:35:49.000 He said what he was going to do and then he did it, you know? 1.00

02:35:51.000 He's like, I'm going to make this guy look stupid. 0.98

02:35:53.000 Did you see the thing where Paulo Costa, and I might be wrong, I don't really want, this would be kind of bad to get wrong. 0.99

02:35:59.000 Yeah.

02:36:00.000 Yeah.

02:36:00.000 That was true?

02:36:00.000 Yeah, it's true.

02:36:02.000 He drank a whole bottle of wine.

02:36:03.000 He even took a picture with the wine, like he had a built-in excuse.

02:36:06.000 Look at me with wine. 0.98

02:36:07.000 Yeah, it's so ridiculous. 0.99

02:36:09.000 That's ridiculous. 0.98

02:36:10.000 He said he had leg cramps, he couldn't sleep, and he had a glass of wine, and that didn't do it, so he drank another glass, that didn't do it, then he drank the whole bottle. 0.95

02:36:18.000 So he said when he fought, he was probably drunk.

02:36:20.000 Look, he's come up with so many excuses for that fight, it's crazy.

02:36:24.000 It's crazy.

02:36:26.000 You have one idea of who Paulo Costa is.

02:36:29.000 His whole career is just smashing people.

02:36:31.000 Walks down Yoel Romero. 1.00

02:36:33.000 Who the fuck walks down Yoel Romero and beats his ass like that? 1.00

02:36:36.000 Nobody. 1.00

02:36:37.000 The way he did it and beat...

02:36:40.000 All these guys coming up from...

02:36:42.000 Johnny Hendricks was fat, and he's really 170, and he had no business being at 185 in the first place.

02:36:48.000 But the fact that Paulo Costa just smashed him that way, and just was smashing everybody.

02:36:53.000 And you thought, man, this guy's a real threat.

02:36:55.000 This is a big challenge for Adesanya.

02:36:58.000 Nope.

02:36:59.000 No.

02:37:00.000 No, he just shut him up. 0.57

02:37:03.000 Shut down.

02:37:03.000 Shut him down.

02:37:05.000 Like, he just completely outclassed him.

02:37:08.000 Yeah, that was one of those where I was like, oh, I wasn't expecting that to happen.

02:37:11.000 Yeah.

02:37:12.000 I thought it was going to be a good fight.

02:37:13.000 Yeah, I did too.

02:37:15.000 I thought Costa's really durable.

02:37:17.000 He's really tough.

02:37:18.000 He's going to, you know, it's going to be a blood and guts battle.

02:37:21.000 But then, you know, when I saw him enter into the octagon with those cupping marks all over his calves, I was like, that's not good.

02:37:27.000 What's happening there?

02:37:29.000 Do you do that cup and stuff?

02:37:30.000 No.

02:37:31.000 No.

02:37:31.000 Do you?

02:37:32.000 No.

02:37:33.000 Not to the point where it's bruising like that.

02:37:35.000 I mean, a lot of people do it.

02:37:37.000 I've never tried it.

02:37:38.000 Some people swear by it, too, and I'm like, I don't know, giving yourself bruises.

02:37:41.000 I don't know, man. 1.00

02:37:42.000 People swear by a lot of wacky shit. 0.99

02:37:44.000 People swear by chiropractors. 1.00

02:37:46.000 They swear by a lot of wacky shit. 0.99

02:37:48.000 Do you get any of that massage stuff? 1.00

02:37:50.000 Yeah, massage.

02:37:50.000 Is that The Rock?

02:37:51.000 Look at it.

02:37:52.000 Oh, my goodness.

02:37:53.000 That's First time.

02:37:56.000 Yeah, that guy's got to be sore all the time. 0.99

02:37:59.000 Boy, they've fucked his back up. 0.99

02:38:02.000 Do you ever get... 0.99

02:38:03.000 I wonder what he thinks.

02:38:05.000 Do you ever get muscle activation done?

02:38:07.000 Have you tried that?

02:38:08.000 No.

02:38:09.000 That's pretty good stuff.

02:38:10.000 What is that?

02:38:10.000 So it's like the idea, so I go to a place called Rock Solid Physical Therapy, and it's this place where muscle activation is like the type of therapy that it is, but the idea is it's like, okay, if my shoulder is sore, it's because something in there isn't firing.

02:38:27.000 And there's something in there.

02:38:28.000 I don't need to massage the shit out of the one spot that's hurt. 0.98

02:38:32.000 I need to wake up the other things that are having to compensate for the... 0.98

02:38:36.000 Or this spot is compensating for the other spots.

02:38:39.000 So when I go in, it's like, alright, my shoulder's sore.

02:38:41.000 They'll work on my back.

02:38:43.000 They'll work on my chest.

02:38:44.000 Because those areas aren't waking up and aren't firing.

02:38:47.000 And then this is what's having to really overcompensate.

02:38:51.000 And that's why it's really sore.

02:38:52.000 And that's been like a...

02:38:54.000 I've been going to them for about six years and getting that done about every single week, and that, I think, is the reason that I don't really ever get hurt.

02:39:02.000 I can't think of a really big injury that I've gotten that hasn't been a broken bone or something in a really long time.

02:39:09.000 That's interesting.

02:39:10.000 Yeah, it's cool.

02:39:11.000 It's a good idea, too.

02:39:11.000 It makes total sense.

02:39:13.000 If this hurts, it's because it's overcompensating, so it's something else that needs to be...

02:39:16.000 The body is like a whole system.

02:39:18.000 It's a whole wiring, and the whole thing needs to be taken care of, not just the one spot that hurts.

02:39:24.000 Makes sense.

02:39:25.000 And there are a lot of times injuries where people are, like, a lot of times you have back pain and you really don't realize that it's because your hamstrings are tight.

02:39:34.000 And that it's pulling, your whole, your thing is all kind of crunched up.

02:39:38.000 And if you can stretch your hamstrings out, it actually alleviates some tension in your back.

02:39:42.000 And you're like, oh, wow, that's weird.

02:39:44.000 Every time I've hurt my knees, it's been because my glutes and my hips are really tight.

02:39:49.000 Which makes total sense because if my hips can't do the circles that they're meant to be, this joint is going to have to...

02:39:58.000 If it only has this much motion, this thing has to compensate for it some way.

02:40:02.000 I think...

02:40:02.000 I think so much of the time when guys get hurt, it's just because they're sore in one area or one area isn't firing and they need to compensate in some area.

02:40:10.000 And they do that for X amount of time and then that area ends up getting injured because it's just tired from compensating.

02:40:16.000 Makes sense.

02:40:17.000 There's probably something to it, at least.

02:40:20.000 When you have a big fight, so say if this fight happens this weekend, Jan wins or Sterling wins, and they say, okay, you're next.

02:40:29.000 How much...

02:40:30.000 You like 10 weeks, right?

02:40:32.000 Do...

02:40:34.000 Do you have someone who schedules everything?

02:40:37.000 Do you do some of it based on your own intuition?

02:40:40.000 Like, in terms of, like, how much strength and conditioning work?

02:40:43.000 How much sparring?

02:40:44.000 When do you hit mitts?

02:40:46.000 When do you spar?

02:40:47.000 When do you roll?

02:40:48.000 How do you do that?

02:40:49.000 Yeah, so here's the nice thing about, I think, where I'm in a really unique position, where I don't think maybe a lot of fighters are, is that I've been with the same, pretty much the same set of coaches for 12 years now.

02:41:00.000 You know, so...

02:41:02.000 I can have an open conversation about things and not have to feel like I'm being a bitch or I'm being whiny or whatever. 0.67

02:41:11.000 I don't think a lot of people... 0.80

02:41:13.000 If I'm someone's new coach and they're complaining all the time about being tired and needing to rest on this day or whatever day, I'm probably going to think that that person's just being whiny.

02:41:22.000 But with my set of coaches, because we've been around for so long and a lot of them I would consider my best friends, I can kind of have that open dialogue of like, hey man, I think that we need to pick it up on this day and we need to do less on this day.

02:41:39.000 And they're like, yeah, okay, we trust you to be able to do that.

02:41:41.000 And like I said, man, I'm like a really self-sufficient guy.

02:41:44.000 I don't blame anyone and I don't expect anyone to be the cause of my success or my failure.

02:41:50.000 Yeah.

02:41:53.000 So, honestly, I take a lot of that into my own way, and I think that working with Christian Allen has kind of helped me with that a lot, too, because Christian Allen, he never really told me exactly what to do.

02:42:03.000 He kind of let me find my own way, which I know a lot of people don't like, and at times, you know, I didn't really like, if I'm being completely honest, but...

02:42:12.000 It also did help me become really, really self-sufficient.

02:42:16.000 And so a lot of me putting together my camp is me putting it together.

02:42:21.000 But kind of to answer your question a little bit more is it's like when I'm setting up my practices for each day, I don't ever miss any of those practices.

02:42:28.000 Even if I'm dead tired, I'll still go in.

02:42:30.000 I'll just do less.

02:42:31.000 Maybe I'll drill or I'll do something different, but I'm not going to miss that day of practice.

02:42:35.000 And if I have to, you know, because I need to, I'm just rescheduling it for a different day.

02:42:41.000 So I do set my own schedule, but every practice gets made because I think that that makes the mind strong.

02:42:47.000 But if I am a little bit tired or if it's a weird week or whatever, I'm stressed out or whatever is happening in my life and I need to go a little bit slower on a day, I will do that.

02:42:57.000 When you say, like, if you're tired, do you monitor your heart rate?

02:43:00.000 Do you wear a whoop strap?

02:43:02.000 I used to until it kept telling me the same thing over and over again.

02:43:05.000 What was it telling you?

02:43:06.000 It was telling me that I wake up a lot during the night and that I get, like, moderate sleep.

02:43:10.000 And it was that every single night with the exception of, like, a few things, you know?

02:43:17.000 But you know what I did learn from those things is just how incredibly important sleep is.

02:43:22.000 Hmm.

02:43:22.000 I never valued sleep as the thing that's going to make me feel rested and actually recovered the next day.

02:43:32.000 I thought it was like, oh, I need to foam roll more.

02:43:34.000 Oh, I need to do massage more.

02:43:35.000 Oh, I should go lighter or whatever.

02:43:37.000 Dude, if I can clock 9 to 11 hours of sleep, then I'm good.

02:43:43.000 I'm in the green.

02:43:44.000 Regardless of how hard I worked out the day before, I'm good after that amount of sleep.

02:43:49.000 That's interesting.

02:43:50.000 Dustin said he stopped wearing a whoop strap for the same reason.

02:43:53.000 He said, because he'd wake up and say, oh, you need more sleep. 0.99

02:43:55.000 He was like, well, this shit gotta get done. 1.00

02:43:57.000 So I don't know what the fuck you're telling me. 1.00

02:43:59.000 He's like, you know, you're not fully recovered? 1.00

02:44:01.000 Well, I don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:44:03.000 I gotta go to work. 0.99

02:44:03.000 Yeah, there's also days like that, too, where it's like, you'll be in a red, and it's like, So what? 0.99

02:44:08.000 So what?

02:44:09.000 Time to go to work.

02:44:10.000 Yeah, sometimes I feel great and I'll check it.

02:44:12.000 It's in the yellow.

02:44:13.000 I was like, what?

02:44:13.000 Come on.

02:44:14.000 Yellow?

02:44:15.000 I feel good.

02:44:15.000 Do you notice that when you're doing the actual workout, though, that you actually are in, like, a yellow?

02:44:21.000 It depends on how much coffee I drink.

02:44:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:44:24.000 Yeah, and that's another thing is that there's so many other factors to everything, too, where it's like...

02:44:29.000 Yeah, maybe I had a good workout because I was in the green, but also maybe I had a good workout because I didn't do that much the day before.

02:44:35.000 I did have a lot of coffee or whatever.

02:44:37.000 Yeah, I got fired up.

02:44:39.000 It's interesting.

02:44:41.000 There's so many variables with the human body, whether or not you're getting massages, whether or not you're doing ice baths, whether or not you're doing sauna.

02:44:48.000 There's so many different things that can help you recover and help your body bounce back.

02:44:53.000 It's a lot of...

02:44:55.000 There's a lot you can do.

02:44:57.000 Yeah.

02:44:57.000 There's a lot you can do to keep your body healthy.

02:44:59.000 Yeah.

02:45:00.000 Yeah.

02:45:01.000 Now, when you say that you kind of set your own schedule, do you set your own schedule in terms of strength and conditioning as well?

02:45:06.000 Give me a typical week.

02:45:08.000 When you're starting your camp, how many days a week will you do strength and conditioning?

02:45:12.000 How many days a week will you do kickboxing?

02:45:14.000 Do you do MMA sparring a lot, or do you separate jiu-jitsu sparring from kickboxing sparring?

02:45:21.000 Yeah.

02:45:21.000 Yep.

02:45:21.000 So every day, Monday through Friday, there's a team practice at one o'clock.

02:45:27.000 So we do that.

02:45:28.000 So Monday is wrestling.

02:45:30.000 Tuesday is sparring.

02:45:30.000 Wednesday is wrestling, drilling.

02:45:35.000 Thursday is MMA. And then Friday is sparring again.

02:45:40.000 And then Saturday, I kind of depend on how the week goes.

02:45:43.000 I'll either drill for a couple hours or I'll train hard for a couple hours.

02:45:46.000 So it's 1 o'clock every day, pretty much.

02:45:49.000 No matter what.

02:45:50.000 And then Monday, Wednesday, Friday, we do strength and conditioning in the morning at the same place Gaethje goes, Lando Performance.

02:45:58.000 I'll do that with Aaron, who's really been taking good care of me.

02:46:02.000 He's the guy that was like, hey man, we should put on a couple more pounds of muscle.

02:46:06.000 I think it's going to make you feel a little bit better.

02:46:08.000 And I was like, okay, we will.

02:46:09.000 And it actually did make my cardio and conditioning go way, way up.

02:46:13.000 I'll do that with...

02:46:13.000 Aaron, Nate, and Wrigley, and with the team usually, Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

02:46:19.000 And then at night, I'll go in on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I'll go on a run.

02:46:27.000 So it's at night for those other days.

02:46:29.000 And then Thursday morning, I'll do a mitt session.

02:46:31.000 So I guess that was kind of a lot of information, but...

02:46:35.000 So when you say at night, so you're doing the team practice at 1 p.m.

02:46:39.000 And then what time do you come back in?

02:46:40.000 Like 6 or 7?

02:46:41.000 So I teach the kids program at 5 o'clock.

02:46:44.000 And then, yeah, I'll go in and I'll train at 6. And like I said, depending on how the day went, that's a class that I run myself.

02:46:50.000 So it's like, okay, how's everyone feeling?

02:46:52.000 If everyone looks like, you know, they just woke up from a nap, it's like, all right, we're drilling today.

02:46:56.000 And then if it's like everyone's been, yeah, okay, yeah, let's train, then like we'll train a little bit harder on those days.

02:47:02.000 So, in terms of weightlifting, do you try to take the strength and conditioning sessions and not have them on a day we spar?

02:47:09.000 Yeah.

02:47:11.000 Monday is our heavy lifting day because I think Monday you're the most rested.

02:47:16.000 I think your body's more capable of obviously lifting more weights the more rested you are.

02:47:21.000 Wednesday is more of a metabolic day, so like a conditioning day.

02:47:26.000 And I only do those really in the last three or four weeks of camp because Aaron kind of puts me through more of a strength building stuff because that's more important for my body type.

02:47:35.000 And then Friday is just recovery.

02:47:37.000 So Friday when we spar on the same day, it's just like a 45-minute session.

02:47:42.000 We just get our blood moving.

02:47:43.000 We get everything loose so that we can spar well on Friday.

02:47:46.000 And do you take two days off on the weekend?

02:47:48.000 Do you take Saturday and Sunday off?

02:47:49.000 No, I only take Sunday off.

02:47:50.000 What do you do on Saturday?

02:47:51.000 Saturday is 9 o'clock.

02:47:53.000 I have a small guy group.

02:47:56.000 Again, a class that I'll run.

02:47:57.000 I'll look at everyone like, hey, how's everyone feeling?

02:47:59.000 If sparring wasn't very hard on Friday, then Saturday we'll train a little bit harder.

02:48:03.000 I'll do that Friday.

02:48:06.000 Or, I'm sorry, Saturday.

02:48:07.000 And then I'll have Christian come in and hold mitts for me on Saturday.

02:48:10.000 And he usually does that Thursday morning for me as well.

02:48:13.000 So do you do two a day every day or Saturday one?

02:48:16.000 Yeah, it's Saturday is two.

02:48:19.000 If I have some weight to lose, I'll also run on Saturday also.

02:48:22.000 But Monday and Tuesday, I think, are the only two days.

02:48:26.000 And then everything else is three.

02:48:28.000 Hmm.

02:48:29.000 But like I said, man, I just drill a lot.

02:48:32.000 This is such a technical sport, man.

02:48:34.000 I used to like running more.

02:48:35.000 I used to like lifting more.

02:48:36.000 But I find that I'm just doing better when I'm focusing on the technical aspects of the sport and not as much about the, am I going on a run just to go on a run?

02:48:46.000 Or am I going on a run because it's actually helping?

02:48:48.000 And can I actually get this help in a different area?

02:48:51.000 Because I used to really enjoy doing trail runs.

02:48:54.000 And, like, I had to kind of cut those because I just wasn't able to train as hard and, like, learn as much and drill as much.

02:49:01.000 So I had to cut the run because I think it's more important that I'm actually learning and getting better and drilling.

02:49:06.000 Just from being tired from the trail run?

02:49:08.000 Yep, yep, yep.

02:49:09.000 Because those things will zap you.

02:49:10.000 Yeah.

02:49:10.000 So what about other recovery modalities?

02:49:14.000 Are you using ice baths?

02:49:15.000 Are you doing the sauna?

02:49:17.000 Yeah, so I do the sauna twice a week also.

02:49:20.000 Because actually the UFC also recommended this to me also.

02:49:24.000 So I guess you can train your body to get used to heat and it can get used to how much you're flushing out as long as obviously you're putting it back in you.

02:49:34.000 So I'll do a sauna session two days a week and then I'll do...

02:49:37.000 What temp do you go in?

02:49:39.000 It's not that hot, bro. 1.00

02:49:40.000 It's kind of a piece of shit sauna that I bought for myself. 1.00

02:49:42.000 Oh, really? 1.00

02:49:43.000 Yeah, it was like $300 or $400.

02:49:45.000 And it's not one that has your head sticking out.

02:49:48.000 It's a little bit bigger than that, so I can actually sit in the whole thing.

02:49:50.000 But it don't get that hot.

02:49:52.000 It probably gets to like $130.

02:49:54.000 That's it?

02:49:55.000 Yeah, but it's one of those infrared ones.

02:49:57.000 Oh, that's different.

02:49:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:49:59.000 So I guess it pulls it from deeper inside your bones.

02:50:02.000 I don't know about all that.

02:50:03.000 I don't like the infrared ones, to be honest.

02:50:05.000 I like the steam ones the most.

02:50:07.000 Steam?

02:50:08.000 Why?

02:50:08.000 Yeah.

02:50:10.000 I like what it does to my skin.

02:50:13.000 No, I don't really know.

02:50:14.000 I don't know.

02:50:14.000 It just feels a little bit better.

02:50:16.000 Those dry ones, bro, I feel like I'm just...

02:50:17.000 Cooking.

02:50:18.000 And breathing in people's feet humidity.

02:50:22.000 Yeah, but for yourself, you should get a dry sauna for your house if you can.

02:50:26.000 Okay.

02:50:26.000 Yeah, I'm a big believer in the dry sauna.

02:50:29.000 There's so many benefits to it just outside of even getting your body accustomed to the heat for a sauna for cutting weight.

02:50:36.000 It just reduces inflammation to such a high degree.

02:50:40.000 It produces heat shock proteins.

02:50:42.000 Also, there's a study they did in Norway where people who did the sauna four days a week for, I believe it was 20 minutes at 170 degrees, I think is the protocol they used.

02:50:54.000 And they experienced a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality.

02:50:59.000 Whoa.

02:50:59.000 That means 40% decrease in heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything.

02:51:05.000 Just with regular sauna use.

02:51:07.000 Did they say, is it from detoxing your body that much?

02:51:10.000 It's from the heat shock proteins.

02:51:12.000 Oh, okay.

02:51:12.000 The heat shock proteins, what it's doing is it creates this radical anti-inflammatory response for the body because your body's freaking out.

02:51:21.000 Your body doesn't want to be in 170 degrees. 0.99

02:51:24.000 It's like, what is this shit? 0.98

02:51:25.000 And so because of that and you're sweating it out and struggling, your body produces these cytokines and it has an amazing effect just on health and wellness. 1.00

02:51:34.000 I fucking love it, man. 0.58

02:51:35.000 I do it every day. 0.97

02:51:36.000 Yeah.

02:51:37.000 I have one in my house and it was one of the first things I did when I moved to Austin is get one and it took a couple months to get it and get it brought in and installed and everything like that and I was sweating it because I was like, God, I miss the sauna because I had one in my house in California and it's It's a game changer, man.

02:51:54.000 Dan Gable's a huge believer in it as well.

02:51:57.000 And I read him talking about the sauna, and he thinks that it's a secret weapon that the Russians and a lot of other athletes in other countries use on a regular basis.

02:52:05.000 And he wishes that American wrestlers adopted it.

02:52:09.000 So you do 170 for 20 minutes?

02:52:12.000 I do 185. I do 185 for 25 minutes, but I built up to it.

02:52:15.000 And I've been doing it for years, and I never get sick. 0.98

02:52:19.000 I mean, I fucking never get sick. 0.98

02:52:21.000 Wow. 0.99

02:52:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:52:22.000 Huh.

02:52:22.000 I think it's phenomenal for your immune system.

02:52:24.000 How many days a week would you recommend to do it?

02:52:28.000 I do it every day.

02:52:30.000 Really?

02:52:30.000 I mean, I'll take a day off every now and again, but I definitely do it at least five days a week.

02:52:36.000 Yeah, every week.

02:52:38.000 If I'm home, I'm doing it five days a week.

02:52:40.000 And what, your body just gets used to bringing the water back in?

02:52:43.000 And I listen to books on tape.

02:52:45.000 It's my favorite way to do it.

02:52:47.000 So I'm in there for 25 minutes.

02:52:49.000 AirPods will survive.

02:52:50.000 Your phone won't.

02:52:51.000 So don't try to bring your phone in there.

02:52:53.000 My phone always dies.

02:52:54.000 But the AirPods don't die. 0.95

02:52:56.000 They're pretty fucking tough. 0.97

02:52:57.000 It's probably a long 25 minutes, huh? 1.00

02:52:59.000 The last five can suck a dick, bro. 1.00

02:53:02.000 The last five minutes are ruthless. 1.00

02:53:04.000 Oh, right away.

02:53:05.000 Really?

02:53:05.000 Yeah, when I get in there, the first thing I do is I scoop water and throw it on the rocks.

02:53:09.000 And so it's not just 185 degrees.

02:53:13.000 It's 185 degrees with high humidity.

02:53:15.000 So it's pretty rough.

02:53:16.000 Yeah.

02:53:16.000 So right away, I'm glistening.

02:53:18.000 And then within, you know, the first 10 minutes are not that bad. 0.99

02:53:22.000 You know, and then the next 10 minutes are getting rough and the last five minutes can really fucking suck. 0.98

02:53:27.000 It's crazy how quick it starts to suck, huh? 1.00

02:53:29.000 It sucks. 0.99

02:53:30.000 But it's good. 1.00

02:53:30.000 It's like, I need some suck. 1.00

02:53:34.000 You know, I don't get enough suck in my life. 1.00

02:53:35.000 We all do, man. 0.99

02:53:36.000 Everybody does.

02:53:37.000 We all do.

02:53:37.000 That struggle of sitting there, and I do a lot of deep breathing exercises, too.

02:53:41.000 I do like box breathing.

02:53:42.000 I do like five seconds in, hold five seconds, five seconds out.

02:53:47.000 Or sometimes I'll do longer deep breaths and longer slow breaths out.

02:53:52.000 But that's good, too, because you can get into kind of a trance when you do that.

02:53:57.000 And sometimes when I do that, I don't even realize how much time has passed because I'm just focusing on the breathing.

02:54:02.000 Just focusing on the breathing.

02:54:04.000 The time moves fast when you just focus on the breathing.

02:54:06.000 We used to do plank competitions.

02:54:11.000 Me and a bunch of the guys on the basketball team that I used to play with.

02:54:14.000 And I would just sit there, and I would just breathe.

02:54:18.000 And then next thing I would know, everyone's done.

02:54:20.000 And it'd be like three, four minutes later, and I'm just sitting there breathing, but... 0.99

02:54:24.000 You see that fucking Marine dude? 0.99

02:54:26.000 I think he's a Marine. 1.00

02:54:27.000 He won the world's plank competition. 1.00

02:54:31.000 It was some preposterous amount of time this motherfucker was planking for. 1.00

02:54:36.000 Like four days or something? 1.00

02:54:37.000 I don't remember.

02:54:38.000 It was probably days.

02:54:39.000 Eight plus hour plank.

02:54:40.000 There it is.

02:54:41.000 At 62, Marine veteran sets a Guinness World Record.

02:54:45.000 62 years old, man. 1.00

02:54:47.000 That's a fucking old dude to be planking like that. 1.00

02:54:50.000 That guy's a savage. 1.00

02:54:52.000 That's all in your mind right there. 0.93

02:54:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:54:54.000 That's your fucking mind. 1.00

02:54:57.000 I mean, that is just your mind. 1.00

02:54:59.000 I mean, he obviously is fit. 1.00

02:55:01.000 He's obviously in very good shape for his age, but to be able to do that for eight fucking hours, especially while people are staring at you, that is boring as fuck. 1.00

02:55:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:55:12.000 He did 75 push-ups when he was done.

02:55:14.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:55:15.000 Guy's an animal.

02:55:16.000 Yeah, I love it.

02:55:18.000 I love seeing old animals like that.

02:55:19.000 Like, yes!

02:55:20.000 Keep going! 1.00

02:55:22.000 Keep fucking going! 1.00

02:55:23.000 That'd be Cam Haynes. 1.00

02:55:24.000 He'll be doing that when he's 80. I think that...

02:55:28.000 Having something like that as a regular basis just gets your body accustomed to just doing something that you don't want to do that sucks.

02:55:36.000 Because there's too many people that go through their life doing easy stuff all the time.

02:55:40.000 All the time.

02:55:41.000 You're just soft.

02:55:42.000 You're like a marshmallow.

02:55:44.000 So my one thing is I would wake up every Saturday morning and I would go do a trail run by Red Rocks in Colorado.

02:55:51.000 And I didn't care if it was snowing.

02:55:52.000 I didn't care if it was however.

02:55:54.000 And I'm more upset that I had to get rid of it because it started to suck, but then it became something that was like, oh, this is something that I really enjoy doing over and over and over again.

02:56:05.000 And it's like, yeah, even if it does suck, afterwards it just feels good.

02:56:09.000 I feel like you don't have to do a lot of things where afterwards you feel super rewarded.

02:56:16.000 Like you did it.

02:56:16.000 You made it through.

02:56:17.000 Yeah, like super rewarded. 0.99

02:56:19.000 Yeah, that moment where you just want to fucking quit. 1.00

02:56:22.000 Where your brain, and then you gotta shut the fuck up, pussy! 1.00

02:56:25.000 Shut up! 1.00

02:56:26.000 You gotta have these little battles in your mind. 1.00

02:56:28.000 There's so many people that go through life, they just don't have that at all.

02:56:31.000 So that the moment adversity rears its ugly head, you don't understand what to do with it.

02:56:37.000 You don't know what it is.

02:56:38.000 Like, how do I handle this?

02:56:39.000 Yeah, I think a lot of people, man, I think they've bought into the idea of happiness is the goal every single day.

02:56:47.000 Comfort.

02:56:48.000 Comfort.

02:56:48.000 Yeah, I guess that that's maybe a better word.

02:56:50.000 Fat shaming. 0.91

02:56:51.000 Don't fat shame me.

02:56:52.000 Yeah, stuff like that.

02:56:53.000 It's uncomfortable.

02:56:53.000 Yeah, stuff like that where it's like, man, like...

02:56:57.000 Being happy isn't my goal every day.

02:57:00.000 Maybe one day it will be the goal every day, but for now it's like, how much can I make today suck so that I can have that one little reward at the end of a training camp?

02:57:09.000 And it's a big-ass reward and it feels good.

02:57:12.000 Yeah, well for you it's the ultimate because you're literally, you're doing something first of all where you're putting your health in jeopardy.

02:57:20.000 You're doing one of the most dangerous sports that a person can compete in and you're putting everything on the line.

02:57:27.000 You're putting your health on the line.

02:57:28.000 You're putting your ego on the line.

02:57:30.000 You're putting your future on the line.

02:57:32.000 You're thinking about so many different things.

02:57:34.000 If you get KO'd or something like that, you're paying for it with your mind.

02:57:38.000 You're paying for it with your brain cells.

02:57:39.000 You're paying for it. 1.00

02:57:40.000 You get kicked in the liver.

02:57:42.000 You're paying for it with your internal organs are getting damaged.

02:57:45.000 It's a crazy way to live your life.

02:57:48.000 But the reward, like when you knocked out Frankie, like when you were running around going like that, you could see it in you. 0.99

02:57:55.000 You just fucking juiced up. 0.98

02:57:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:57:59.000 You know, I'm a level guy, man.

02:58:03.000 And, like, fighting is really the only thing that, like, or winning, I guess I should say, is the only thing where I'm just like, you know?

02:58:11.000 Like, it's worth it.

02:58:12.000 The life is worth it, you know?

02:58:14.000 The life is worth it.

02:58:15.000 Yeah.

02:58:16.000 Well, listen, man, I'm a fan.

02:58:18.000 I appreciate you.

02:58:19.000 Appreciate you coming in here.

02:58:20.000 It was really cool to talk to you, and I'm super excited to see what happens for you.

02:58:24.000 Yeah, man.

02:58:25.000 Thank you so much.

02:58:26.000 Obviously, you know, this is like a big deal to me, and I'm really, really grateful that you asked me to do this.

02:58:31.000 My pleasure.

02:58:32.000 Big deal for me, too.

02:58:33.000 Thanks, brother.

02:58:33.000 Thank you.

02:58:34.000 Thank you.

02:58:34.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 04, 2011

JRE MMA Show #104 with Cory Sandhagen

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