The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #105 with Derrick Lewis

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00:00:13.000 Alright, this is Louis.

00:00:15.000 What's up?

00:00:16.000 Thanks for being here.

00:00:17.000 Thanks for finally having me.

00:00:19.000 My pleasure, dude.

00:00:19.000 Yeah, we talked about it a couple times.

00:00:21.000 Yeah.

00:00:22.000 My balls was hot.

00:00:23.000 One was the famous one.

00:00:24.000 I don't remember that one.

00:00:27.000 So how's things, man?

00:00:29.000 Things been crazy.

00:00:30.000 I can only imagine.

00:00:32.000 After that knockout of Curtis Blades, like, whew, I mean, that got a lot of attention.

00:00:38.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:00:39.000 And it felt real good to knock him out because he was talking a lot of trash before the fight.

00:00:45.000 Isn't that, like, par for the course, though?

00:00:47.000 Everybody talks shit before the fight.

00:00:49.000 Even whenever I'm doing good, though.

00:00:51.000 He's been talking at least three years now.

00:00:53.000 He's been talking mess to me.

00:00:54.000 Really?

00:00:55.000 Yeah.

00:00:56.000 Do you take that shit personally?

00:00:58.000 I do, because I'm not in there trying to sell tickets.

00:01:02.000 Don't just come to me trying to sell tickets to talk trash.

00:01:05.000 I take everything personal.

00:01:07.000 Yeah, some guys do just try to sell tickets.

00:01:09.000 And then they'll say, it's not personal.

00:01:12.000 It's just like, when Khabib Nurmagomedov was fucking up Conor, when he was on top of him, pounding on him, going, let's talk now.

00:01:18.000 Let's talk now.

00:01:19.000 Remember that?

00:01:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:21.000 And he goes, it's just business.

00:01:23.000 You know, it's like, this is not business.

00:01:24.000 No.

00:01:25.000 No.

00:01:26.000 I go into every fight, like, life or death.

00:01:29.000 And I enter a deep, dark place every time I step inside the octagon, so it's not business for me.

00:01:36.000 What was interesting is after the fight, I mean, it was just such a spectacular knockout, but after the fight, you were so nonchalant.

00:01:42.000 You were just so relaxed, and you're like, I couldn't get started in there.

00:01:46.000 And everybody's like, what the fuck are you talking about you couldn't get started?

00:01:48.000 It was one of the most spectacular knockouts in the history of the heavyweight division, and you're like, ah, I couldn't get started.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, so I went back home and got my blood and everything tested.

00:02:00.000 And my T levels was like in the 300s.

00:02:04.000 So I had very low T. You mean testosterone?

00:02:07.000 Yes.

00:02:08.000 You have low testosterone?

00:02:10.000 Yes.

00:02:11.000 That's ridiculous.

00:02:12.000 Yeah.

00:02:13.000 If I was going to make a bet...

00:02:18.000 I try to spend all my energy on my wife, so it's kind of hard because if I don't have the energy for her, then she'll think I'm out there messing around and stuff like that.

00:02:27.000 Do they know why your testosterone was low?

00:02:31.000 Maybe you overtrained or something?

00:02:33.000 No, we don't know yet, so I want to go to another doctor that the lady was just telling me about.

00:02:38.000 Oh, wow.

00:02:40.000 That's crazy.

00:02:41.000 So that's why you felt lethargic.

00:02:43.000 Yes, yes.

00:02:44.000 It was like that all week.

00:02:46.000 So at first I thought it was the jet lag or something like that, but it ended up just me and my T-levels.

00:02:53.000 That was one of the most perfectly timed uppercuts I've ever seen.

00:02:56.000 It was perfect.

00:02:57.000 Yeah, we practiced that for the last few months.

00:03:00.000 So that was the game plan when he shoots to catch him coming in?

00:03:03.000 Yes.

00:03:04.000 Either the knee or the uppercut.

00:03:07.000 We knew he was going to be there.

00:03:08.000 We knew he was going to try to play the game, try to stand up for a little bit.

00:03:12.000 The way he shoots, he don't really shoot like a real wrestler.

00:03:16.000 He shoots from the hip down and come in like that.

00:03:20.000 He doesn't bend the knee and try to come in.

00:03:23.000 That's interesting.

00:03:24.000 So he hinges, he goes forward.

00:03:28.000 Why do you think he does that?

00:03:30.000 I don't know.

00:03:31.000 I don't know.

00:03:34.000 Usually the wrestler, they drop a knee then shoots.

00:03:37.000 But he just bends down and I'm guessing he was just trying to grab my leg to pick it up or something like that.

00:03:42.000 I don't know.

00:03:43.000 So how did you get involved in fighting?

00:03:45.000 What was your first experiences?

00:03:48.000 First experience was like, because everyone knew I loved fighting in the streets, like every weekend at parties and stuff like that.

00:03:55.000 And so one of my friends that told me about MMA, and I was like, I didn't really know anything about MMA at the time.

00:04:02.000 And he told me to watch videos.

00:04:04.000 It's like 10 years ago.

00:04:05.000 Did you have any martial arts training at all?

00:04:08.000 No, I don't.

00:04:09.000 I still don't have any martial arts training, really.

00:04:12.000 That's ridiculous.

00:04:13.000 Of course you do.

00:04:14.000 You're a professional martial artist.

00:04:16.000 I'm watching YouTube videos now, so I'm learning some stuff now.

00:04:19.000 Really?

00:04:20.000 Yeah.

00:04:21.000 You're not fucking around?

00:04:23.000 Like really?

00:04:23.000 You learn from YouTube videos?

00:04:24.000 I learn from my coach as well, but I watch YouTube videos and stuff like that too.

00:04:30.000 So 10 years ago, you had no martial arts training at all?

00:04:33.000 No martial arts training.

00:04:34.000 And where did you first start training?

00:04:36.000 I just started training at a gym called Silverback MMA. And so this was 10 years ago.

00:04:42.000 You just decided to learn.

00:04:44.000 Were you thinking about being a professional?

00:04:45.000 Were you just doing it for fun?

00:04:47.000 They say that back then I thought like 500-500 was pretty good money.

00:04:52.000 You know, so they were saying that you can get paid.

00:04:56.000 $500, just three rounds, three minutes.

00:04:58.000 I said, just three minutes?

00:05:00.000 I didn't think three minutes was a long time until I got in there.

00:05:03.000 It's like, damn, okay.

00:05:06.000 And so we just started training from there, though, and I fell in love with it.

00:05:11.000 To me, it was almost like street fighting, so it's like, yeah, I could do that.

00:05:16.000 One of the things that's changed about you over the years is your endurance.

00:05:20.000 Your endurance came up in a big way.

00:05:23.000 You can see it in the Gabriel Gonzaga fight.

00:05:25.000 You can see it in a lot of your fights.

00:05:26.000 You can put pressure on people now.

00:05:28.000 And you have a lot of high volume, which in the beginning of your career I think you had a harder time with.

00:05:35.000 Oh yeah, so that's really what we focus on now at Main Street Boxing Gym is my conditioning and my endurance and stuff like that because we feel like that's the only weakness in my game right now.

00:05:48.000 Yeah, but it's like you're so big.

00:05:50.000 I don't even know if it's a weakness.

00:05:51.000 I think it's just part of being a giant person.

00:05:54.000 But the Travis Brown fight's another example.

00:05:57.000 That was a crazy, fast-paced fight, but you overwhelmed him.

00:06:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:05.000 I love that fight, too.

00:06:07.000 Before this past fight with Kurt, that was one of my favorites.

00:06:12.000 And that week, going into the Travis Brown fight, I took some laxatives to try to help me cut some weight.

00:06:20.000 But, you know, I took it that Wednesday, and he was still lingering around.

00:06:25.000 So it's like...

00:06:25.000 He kicked me in my body, but he also broke my ribs, but I also did have to take a shit.

00:06:31.000 I wasn't lying about that.

00:06:34.000 That was a ridiculous interview though.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, that fight was a heavy-duty fight.

00:06:42.000 There was a lot of bad blood in that fight too, right?

00:06:44.000 Yes, and ever since then, whenever I do my, you know how they come in a few days before the commentators try to talk to you, and ever since then I stopped telling the guys what's my game plan and stuff like that.

00:06:59.000 Because I didn't know him and Brian Stan at the time was friends.

00:07:04.000 I know.

00:07:05.000 Our game plan was to come in and try to kick his legs because he used to stand real wide.

00:07:11.000 But whenever me and him fought, he didn't stand like that at all.

00:07:15.000 Not one time.

00:07:17.000 So you think Brian Stan went to him and told him?

00:07:19.000 I believe so.

00:07:20.000 Oh, Brian.

00:07:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:23.000 That's kind of dirty.

00:07:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:25.000 And he didn't tell you his strategy.

00:07:28.000 No, he didn't.

00:07:30.000 Damn, Brian's damn.

00:07:31.000 So, I just believe that was the case, because he didn't do that at all.

00:07:36.000 And I watched previous fights of Travis, and he always used to have that wide stance, and he didn't do that at all for my fight.

00:07:44.000 That's interesting.

00:07:45.000 Do you watch a lot of tape on fights?

00:07:47.000 Who?

00:07:48.000 Do you watch tape on fighters when you're going to face them?

00:07:50.000 I used to.

00:07:51.000 Early in my career, I used to, but then I stopped because they fight me different.

00:07:56.000 If I'm watching tape on a wrestler, then by the time me and him fight, he's going to try to stand up with me.

00:08:03.000 It's just like when I fought Big Country.

00:08:05.000 I thought he was going to stand up the whole fight, and he just tried to take down, take down.

00:08:10.000 But don't most dudes try to take you down?

00:08:13.000 I mean, you have some pretty ridiculous punching power.

00:08:15.000 I think a lot of guys, if the option presents itself, they're going to try to take you down, right?

00:08:21.000 Yeah, I guess so.

00:08:23.000 But I prefer that anyways.

00:08:26.000 That's where I started to breathe and catch myself and my adrenaline be pumping too high.

00:08:33.000 Like, I fought throwing pots and my adrenaline was out of this world.

00:08:40.000 And so I told my coach if that happens, like in a fight with him, then I'm going to need him in the nuts on purpose.

00:08:47.000 I don't think you should say that.

00:08:49.000 Cut that out, dude.

00:08:50.000 Cut that part out.

00:08:51.000 You can't say that, man.

00:08:52.000 No, my adrenaline was just crazy.

00:08:55.000 I just needed to calm down.

00:08:56.000 So it was like beginning of the fight, so I did it on purpose.

00:09:01.000 Oh, no.

00:09:02.000 I knew I was going to get a warning, so I was like, okay.

00:09:07.000 I'm calmed down now, so we can go.

00:09:11.000 That's an interesting strategy.

00:09:13.000 Yeah.

00:09:13.000 So what makes you get more amped up for some fights than others?

00:09:19.000 What's getting me amped up is if I'm looking at something that I want to buy after the fight, and so I'm like, okay, yeah.

00:09:29.000 So you get excited?

00:09:30.000 Yeah, I get excited for that.

00:09:33.000 You start counting your win bonus?

00:09:34.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:35.000 I'm already counting my win bonus before I even get it.

00:09:37.000 So I'm like...

00:09:38.000 Give me an example of something that you would want to buy that gets you excited.

00:09:43.000 We had wanted to buy some property in Colorado a few years ago.

00:09:47.000 And so I was like, man, if I could get this knockout right here, then we could buy cash.

00:09:53.000 And so...

00:09:55.000 That right there, it gets me excited to do stuff like that.

00:09:58.000 There's no more cars.

00:10:00.000 I got all the cars.

00:10:01.000 That don't excite me anymore.

00:10:03.000 It used to, but stuff like that.

00:10:05.000 What are you going to do in Colorado?

00:10:07.000 Are you going to get a vacation spot?

00:10:08.000 Yes, we got 80 acres.

00:10:11.000 Nice, nice.

00:10:12.000 Where at?

00:10:14.000 In St. Louis.

00:10:16.000 Where's that at?

00:10:17.000 It's south of Colorado Springs.

00:10:21.000 Oh, okay.

00:10:22.000 It's two hours away from New Mexico.

00:10:24.000 Oh, alright.

00:10:25.000 I fucking love Colorado.

00:10:27.000 Yeah, it's so beautiful out there.

00:10:28.000 Beautiful.

00:10:29.000 So peaceful too, right?

00:10:30.000 Especially at night.

00:10:31.000 I didn't...

00:10:32.000 Those...

00:10:33.000 That many stars at night, it's like...

00:10:35.000 Don't even seem real.

00:10:37.000 I know, it's crazy.

00:10:38.000 It's so quiet out there.

00:10:40.000 It lets you know that, you know, we really are in space.

00:10:42.000 When you look up like that.

00:10:45.000 Yeah.

00:10:45.000 Especially if you're high, right?

00:10:47.000 Man, that's a different story right there.

00:10:49.000 Yeah.

00:10:50.000 So, for a guy like you, I'd imagine you need some serious downtime.

00:10:54.000 Because the chaos of being a professional fighter at the highest level in the heavyweight division, there's a lot of pressure and stress.

00:11:01.000 Oh yeah, that's why I don't watch fights.

00:11:04.000 Whenever I watch fights, I catch myself starting to sweat.

00:11:09.000 Like, holding my breath.

00:11:10.000 So, like, this past weekend, I was watching one of the guys fighting.

00:11:14.000 I was sitting next to my wife, and she noticed that I just started breathing heavy out of nowhere because I'm already daydreaming about, okay, if I was in that situation, this is what I would do.

00:11:24.000 It's like, that's why I don't watch fights, because it's still stressful.

00:11:27.000 Yeah, so there was a rare thing, you watching the fight Saturday night?

00:11:31.000 Um, just wearing how that one guy that's fighting like Khabib, and I was like...

00:11:37.000 Oh, Islam Makachev?

00:11:38.000 Yes.

00:11:39.000 And I was like wondering, like...

00:11:41.000 A guy would hold me down like that, like the whole fight wouldn't be able to do anything.

00:11:45.000 What would I do?

00:11:46.000 That dude's a bad motherfucker.

00:11:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:48.000 Islam, he's for real.

00:11:51.000 That grappling is serious.

00:11:52.000 Because that kid, Drew Dober, is very good.

00:11:54.000 For him to handle Drew Dober that way, I was super impressed.

00:11:58.000 What did you think of the main event, Blachowicz and Stylebender?

00:12:06.000 You know, I was going for style band there, but over, he just seemed too, like, strong.

00:12:10.000 Like, his power was, like, was a match.

00:12:13.000 What is it?

00:12:14.000 Yeah, his power is ridiculous.

00:12:16.000 That dude's got crazy power.

00:12:17.000 And he's a big fella, too.

00:12:18.000 Yeah, he's big.

00:12:19.000 The difference between a legitimate light heavyweight and a guy who's a middleweight who just wants to test himself.

00:12:24.000 Yeah, but I don't think he's got what it takes to beat Jones, though.

00:12:30.000 Yeah, Jones is a different person.

00:12:32.000 He's a different person.

00:12:33.000 I mean, John Jones is, you know, that's top of the food chain.

00:12:36.000 He just figures a way around people.

00:12:38.000 He figures out how to beat people.

00:12:40.000 But I gotta admit, when you see what Blachowicz did to...

00:12:45.000 What the fuck's his name?

00:12:49.000 The guy...

00:12:50.000 Jesus Christ.

00:12:52.000 Dominic Reyes.

00:12:53.000 Thank you.

00:12:53.000 I don't know what happened.

00:12:54.000 My brain just short-circuited.

00:12:56.000 Dominic Reyes went five hard rounds to Jon Jones and it was a real close decision.

00:13:01.000 Blachowicz blew him out in two rounds.

00:13:03.000 The thing about Blachowicz is you can't fuck up.

00:13:06.000 It's a lot like you.

00:13:07.000 You can't make any mistakes.

00:13:09.000 He hits too fucking hard.

00:13:15.000 Yeah.

00:13:15.000 But I would like to see that fight.

00:13:17.000 I wish John...

00:13:18.000 But I want to see John at heavyweight, too.

00:13:20.000 What do you think about John coming up to your weight class?

00:13:23.000 Yeah, that's good.

00:13:25.000 And, you know, John's cool.

00:13:27.000 He's cool people or whatever.

00:13:29.000 But I also, like, picture myself fighting him one day, and I kind of know what his game plan would be if he ever faced me.

00:13:36.000 You know, he'll try to attack the legs a lot.

00:13:39.000 I don't think he'll really try to take me down.

00:13:42.000 He'll try to keep his distance and try to strike at a distance or what.

00:13:48.000 He'll try to stay away.

00:13:50.000 You don't think he'd be trying to take you down at all?

00:13:52.000 I don't think so.

00:13:52.000 How come?

00:13:54.000 What makes you think that?

00:13:54.000 Because I would love for a guy to get that close to me.

00:13:59.000 I believe that's their downfall whenever they get that close.

00:14:02.000 That makes sense.

00:14:03.000 To clinch up, especially.

00:14:05.000 Yeah.

00:14:05.000 Well, John's very good at using that long reach.

00:14:09.000 I'm just interested to see.

00:14:11.000 I mean, he's at 250 pounds now.

00:14:13.000 That's a legit heavyweight.

00:14:14.000 He looks like a heavyweight for sure.

00:14:17.000 I don't think he should try to gain any more weight, though.

00:14:20.000 I think his walk-around weight is good enough because I believe he walks around at 240, 235, something like that.

00:14:27.000 I don't think he should keep trying to gain weight or bulk up as much as you think he should because Kane Velasquez and Stipe, they walk around at 235, 240. And so he'd be a natural heavyweight, really.

00:14:44.000 That's interesting because there's two schools of thought, right?

00:14:48.000 There's a school of thought that you should be as big as you possibly can to deal with guys like you or guys like Francis Ngannou, the biggest of the big in the division.

00:14:55.000 And then the other school of thought is you should be lighter, have more endurance, push more volume, move quicker.

00:15:01.000 That's what I'm working on right now.

00:15:03.000 Trying to be endurance and trying to be quicker and stuff like that.

00:15:07.000 Because being big is like...

00:15:14.000 What do you weigh now?

00:15:18.000 Right now I'm 290 only because I ate Krispy Kreme this morning.

00:15:22.000 We're going to cut that part out though.

00:15:24.000 What do you want to get down to?

00:15:26.000 I would love to get down to like 250, 245. Yeah?

00:15:30.000 Yeah.

00:15:31.000 Do you see that being possible?

00:15:33.000 I think your skeleton weighs about 250. I don't know.

00:15:37.000 I don't know.

00:15:38.000 I'm trying.

00:15:39.000 I'm trying.

00:15:40.000 But since I've been off, I've been eating my ass off.

00:15:43.000 I would love to get down to 250 though.

00:15:46.000 Now, I've watched a lot of your training videos, and you do a lot of strength and conditioning stuff, like a lot of explosive work and shit like that.

00:15:52.000 Would you change that and just start doing a lot of long distance endurance stuff?

00:15:56.000 How would you lose that kind of weight?

00:15:58.000 No, I wouldn't change that.

00:15:59.000 I love doing that.

00:16:00.000 I believe me doing that right there takes a lot out of me, and I love feeling fatigue after every workout.

00:16:09.000 And so I wouldn't do anything like that, but I would also try to run on a track or something like that, run a few miles around a track.

00:16:17.000 That's something I've never done before.

00:16:19.000 So you don't run at all?

00:16:20.000 No.

00:16:21.000 So what do you do for endurance work?

00:16:23.000 I do Stairmaster.

00:16:25.000 We do elliptical bike and stuff like that.

00:16:31.000 I don't run.

00:16:32.000 I haven't ran in years, really.

00:16:34.000 Do you not run because you don't like it or do you not run because of your joints?

00:16:38.000 Oh, I just don't like it.

00:16:40.000 It's boring.

00:16:41.000 It's boring.

00:16:43.000 But if it was good for you, do you think you'd...

00:16:45.000 So this is the plan.

00:16:46.000 The plan is to start incorporating that.

00:16:49.000 Yeah, if it's good for me, you know.

00:16:51.000 But it's hard, though.

00:16:52.000 I can only imagine.

00:16:53.000 I could probably do it for a few days, but after that, I'm like, nah, I don't feel like doing all that.

00:16:58.000 Well, I only weigh 200 pounds, and it's hard on my knees.

00:17:01.000 I can imagine as big as you are, running is rough.

00:17:06.000 Yeah, I'm sure it's rough.

00:17:07.000 I don't like it.

00:17:08.000 It's boring.

00:17:09.000 Yeah.

00:17:09.000 I mean, I guess you could do other kinds of cardio, long-distance cardio, long-duration cardio to try to drop some weight.

00:17:17.000 But you'd have to try to change your diet, too, right?

00:17:19.000 Yes, diet is the number one thing.

00:17:21.000 But it's hard, though.

00:17:22.000 I live right next to Popeye's and...

00:17:25.000 All these Whataburgers and all these fast food restaurants, it's like right there.

00:17:31.000 Listen, man, I'm a giant fan of Popeyes.

00:17:33.000 Spiced chicken and beans and rice, it's hard to pass up.

00:17:36.000 That beans and rice is good.

00:17:37.000 Yes, it's deadly.

00:17:38.000 It's a problem.

00:17:40.000 But do you work with a nutritionist at all?

00:17:42.000 I used to work with Lou Nutrition out there in New Jersey.

00:17:47.000 I used to work with him.

00:17:48.000 But other than that, no.

00:17:49.000 My wife, she tried to look up recipes here and there.

00:17:53.000 But she still needs a lot of work in the kitchen.

00:17:56.000 Have you ever used the UFC's program with trifecta meals?

00:17:59.000 Yeah, I did and I didn't like it.

00:18:01.000 Didn't like it?

00:18:02.000 It was trash.

00:18:03.000 I told him it's trash.

00:18:05.000 I don't like it at all.

00:18:07.000 What don't you like about it?

00:18:09.000 There's no season, no flavor to it.

00:18:11.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:18:13.000 Whenever I spit in the other guy's food, I really meant that.

00:18:16.000 That shit was nasty.

00:18:17.000 Oh.

00:18:18.000 That's right.

00:18:19.000 You spit in his food.

00:18:20.000 Why the fuck were they...

00:18:21.000 Was that Ole Nick?

00:18:22.000 Yes.

00:18:23.000 Yeah.

00:18:23.000 Why were they sending you Ole Nick's food?

00:18:25.000 I don't know.

00:18:25.000 They probably just trying to get rid of that shit because it was nasty.

00:18:28.000 You didn't send it back to...

00:18:29.000 I mean, they threw it out.

00:18:30.000 They didn't give it back.

00:18:31.000 I don't know if they sent it back or what.

00:18:32.000 I don't think so.

00:18:33.000 Definitely not if they saw the video.

00:18:35.000 Well, he don't speak English, so he probably didn't know what I was saying anyway.

00:18:39.000 Well, he probably knew you were spitting in his food.

00:18:41.000 That's pretty universal.

00:18:44.000 What kind of shit were they giving him?

00:18:45.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:18:46.000 They look boring?

00:18:47.000 Chicken breasts?

00:18:48.000 Boiled broccoli?

00:18:49.000 That kind of shit?

00:18:50.000 Well, he probably got something good because I don't order no nasty shit like that.

00:18:53.000 That was nasty.

00:18:54.000 I told him to put seasoning on mine.

00:18:56.000 So like for trifecta, do you get to pick what they send you?

00:18:59.000 Yes, I get to pick.

00:19:00.000 So you can order something that's got seasoning and some spicy food?

00:19:05.000 Uh-huh.

00:19:05.000 Something good?

00:19:06.000 Yeah.

00:19:06.000 But whatever they was trying to give to him, it was not good.

00:19:10.000 No?

00:19:10.000 No.

00:19:11.000 Maybe he's got some weird diet he follows.

00:19:14.000 Probably so.

00:19:15.000 He's an interesting cat, that guy.

00:19:17.000 Yeah.

00:19:17.000 I never fought anyone like him.

00:19:19.000 He's weird.

00:19:20.000 Crazy grappler.

00:19:21.000 Yeah.

00:19:22.000 Finishes people when they're mounted on him, which is nuts.

00:19:25.000 The only guy I've ever seen, I think he's done it twice.

00:19:27.000 He gets in with that Ezekiel.

00:19:29.000 Yeah.

00:19:29.000 He got me in, I guess, Ezekiel.

00:19:32.000 That's what it was.

00:19:33.000 He got me in that position.

00:19:34.000 I was like...

00:19:35.000 If my coaches never had told me about that the week of the fight, I would never know what the hell he was doing.

00:19:41.000 Yeah, it's weird.

00:19:42.000 I was kind of panicking because he was suffocating me with his skin.

00:19:47.000 It wasn't just a choke.

00:19:49.000 I couldn't breathe.

00:19:50.000 So I was panicking a little bit.

00:19:53.000 Then he had said something in Russian and let it go and smiled.

00:19:56.000 I was like, shit, appreciate it.

00:19:59.000 Because he almost had me.

00:20:00.000 I was like, shit, I was about to tell him because I didn't know what was going on.

00:20:03.000 So I was scared.

00:20:04.000 I said, alright, I appreciate it.

00:20:06.000 And he hit me in my stomach.

00:20:07.000 I said, alright.

00:20:07.000 That's hilarious.

00:20:09.000 Yeah, that guy's an unusual grappler.

00:20:12.000 He just grabs a hold of people.

00:20:13.000 He seems ridiculously strong.

00:20:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:16.000 It was weird.

00:20:17.000 I've never seen anybody finish that move like he does.

00:20:21.000 Where he lets guys mount him.

00:20:23.000 And he grabs ahold of their neck, he puts it like this, and then he opens up so they think, oh, I'm going to mount.

00:20:29.000 And they move him out and he sinks it in and he squeezes and he presses you down.

00:20:34.000 I want to feel that.

00:20:35.000 That's a crazy move.

00:20:36.000 I want to know how he does that.

00:20:37.000 I wonder if he's got a certain setup he uses for that.

00:20:41.000 Yeah, he's got, what, 80 fights?

00:20:43.000 Yeah, he's been around.

00:20:44.000 It's crazy.

00:20:46.000 Yeah, he still loves it, I guess.

00:20:47.000 He's in his 40s, too.

00:20:49.000 Deep in his 40s, right?

00:20:49.000 44?

00:20:50.000 45?

00:20:51.000 Yeah.

00:20:52.000 When do you think you're going to stop?

00:20:54.000 Do you have a number in your head?

00:20:56.000 It all depends.

00:20:58.000 If my body says, sit your ass down, we can keep going.

00:21:02.000 It also depends on the money, you know.

00:21:05.000 Right.

00:21:06.000 If the money keeps getting better like it is, we'll keep going until UFC says, all right, we holler at you.

00:21:13.000 Well, you're in a position now where, you know, you're at the top of the food chain, right?

00:21:17.000 So you got Stipe, who's about to fight Francis in a rematch.

00:21:21.000 You've already beat Francis.

00:21:23.000 And then you got Johnny.

00:21:24.000 I don't even count that as a beating Francis.

00:21:26.000 You know, that fight right there.

00:21:27.000 It was a weird fight.

00:21:28.000 People don't even bring that up no more.

00:21:30.000 Yeah, that was a weird fight.

00:21:31.000 What was up with that fight?

00:21:33.000 My back was hurting.

00:21:34.000 I felt overweight the whole fight.

00:21:36.000 I had knee issues.

00:21:37.000 I had a bunch of problems with myself.

00:21:40.000 I don't know what was going on with him.

00:21:43.000 I think he was still fucked up because of the Francis fight.

00:21:46.000 The Stipe?

00:21:47.000 Excuse me, yeah, the Stipe fight.

00:21:49.000 Yeah, I think that Stipe fight just fucked with his head.

00:21:53.000 In fact, he got so tired in that fight that Stipe overwhelmed him and beat him for the first time in the UFC. I think it was just bothering him.

00:22:01.000 I for sure would love to run it back, though.

00:22:03.000 You've had some back issues over the years, right?

00:22:06.000 What are the back issues?

00:22:08.000 My L4 and L5. Do you have a bulging disc?

00:22:13.000 Bulging and hernia.

00:22:15.000 What have you done to fix it?

00:22:16.000 I had knee surgery after the junior fight.

00:22:20.000 And so they were saying that my right leg was shorter than my left leg because that's how tight my back was.

00:22:27.000 And so they ended up having knee surgery and they said that I was compensating on it.

00:22:34.000 And so ever since I had the surgery, I haven't had any serious problems with it.

00:22:38.000 Really?

00:22:39.000 That was it?

00:22:40.000 It's weird how everything's connected like that.

00:22:42.000 Like a knee problem can fuck your back up.

00:22:45.000 I've been having the knee problem for like four years before I got it fixed.

00:22:49.000 Was it meniscus?

00:22:50.000 Yes, meniscus and it's partial torn ACL. So did they replace the ACL? ACL is still partial torn.

00:22:58.000 They replaced the meniscus.

00:23:01.000 MCL is completely gone.

00:23:03.000 Oh really?

00:23:03.000 Yeah.

00:23:04.000 So did they reattach the MCL? Yes.

00:23:06.000 How did they do it?

00:23:08.000 Yeah, I put some plastic things, anchors or whatever.

00:23:11.000 Oh, okay.

00:23:12.000 Yeah.

00:23:13.000 So now it's good to go?

00:23:14.000 Mm-hmm.

00:23:15.000 What happened, I heard it against Ruan Potts.

00:23:19.000 He got me in a knee bar.

00:23:21.000 It was real tight, and I didn't tap.

00:23:23.000 And so, ever since that fight, it's been bothering me.

00:23:27.000 Because one fight you had, the Fabrizio Verdun fight, you had to pull out because your back was so fucked up.

00:23:32.000 That was like the day of the fight, right?

00:23:34.000 Yes.

00:23:34.000 What was going on with that?

00:23:36.000 I couldn't move.

00:23:37.000 I couldn't even roll out of bed.

00:23:39.000 It was like a cramping, sharp pain in my lower back.

00:23:43.000 And that was just from the herniated disc?

00:23:45.000 Yeah, the doctor came in and coaches, and it was the size of my fist, the knot in my back.

00:23:51.000 Wow.

00:23:52.000 It's crazy that it's all because of the knee.

00:23:54.000 Yeah.

00:23:54.000 And so since the knee's fixed, now your back is good.

00:23:56.000 Yes.

00:23:57.000 And did you have to do any back strengthening exercises or any...

00:24:01.000 Yeah, I had to do therapy for like four months.

00:24:06.000 And, you know, ever since I finished all the legs, no more back problems.

00:24:13.000 That's pretty crazy.

00:24:14.000 Do you fuck with yoga or anything like that?

00:24:17.000 They told me that yoga would help a lot.

00:24:19.000 You know, I've seen DDP been trying to reach out and help, trying to get me to do his yoga.

00:24:24.000 Have you been in contact with him?

00:24:25.000 No.

00:24:26.000 I connect you.

00:24:27.000 He's great.

00:24:27.000 No, I'm alright.

00:24:28.000 Oh, come on, man.

00:24:29.000 Come on, man.

00:24:30.000 I want to see you doing DDP yoga.

00:24:33.000 He's a great guy, too.

00:24:34.000 You'd love him.

00:24:35.000 I guess I'd give him a try, but I prefer a woman try to teach me yoga and not do it.

00:24:40.000 Oh, I understand.

00:24:41.000 I understand.

00:24:43.000 Yeah, he thinks it's different than regular yoga.

00:24:46.000 Yeah, that's what I heard.

00:24:48.000 Well, he has dynamic tension at the yoga.

00:24:50.000 He does yoga, but he adds a bunch of other moves that go with it.

00:24:55.000 It's really tough.

00:24:56.000 It's a very good workout.

00:24:57.000 And you know, he's in his 60s and he can grab his foot and stick it straight up in the air and do like a standing split.

00:25:03.000 It's crazy how flexible he is.

00:25:04.000 I guess I'll give it a try since I got low T. So I'm just the closest woman anyway.

00:25:13.000 His whole thing was his back was so fucked up from pro wrestling.

00:25:17.000 So using yoga, he strengthened his back and that allowed him to extend his career.

00:25:23.000 Okay.

00:25:23.000 Yeah.

00:25:24.000 I know a lot of guys whose back has been pretty fucked up and yoga's would save them.

00:25:28.000 Yoga.

00:25:29.000 Yoga put it all together for them.

00:25:30.000 That's why I brought it up.

00:25:31.000 But I understand.

00:25:32.000 A lot of manly dudes don't want to be in there doing yoga.

00:25:37.000 Especially with another man, you know.

00:25:39.000 I understand.

00:25:40.000 Yeah.

00:25:41.000 Yeah, it's like getting a massage from another man.

00:25:43.000 Yeah, I can't do that.

00:25:44.000 I can't do it.

00:25:44.000 I like to relax.

00:25:46.000 Yeah.

00:25:48.000 It's odd, but sometimes dudes are the only ones that can really get in there, get in there and work them muscles.

00:25:53.000 I know some big old Brock Lesnar, Brock Lesnar form looking women that really get in there with the same haircut and everything.

00:26:05.000 Shout out to Ms. Linda.

00:26:06.000 Appreciate it.

00:26:07.000 Same haircut and everything.

00:26:08.000 That's hilarious.

00:26:10.000 So what is like a typical training day for you?

00:26:14.000 Do you ever do straight Jiu Jitsu?

00:26:17.000 Or do you do just straight on MMA training?

00:26:20.000 Like what do you do?

00:26:22.000 Now I do strength conditioning for an hour.

00:26:27.000 After that, I rest for like three hours, then I go back and do jujitsu and striking at the same time.

00:26:35.000 So you just MMA style workouts?

00:26:37.000 Yes.

00:26:38.000 So when you say you do strength and conditioning for an hour, you do that every day?

00:26:42.000 Yes.

00:26:44.000 Monday, I guess, not anymore.

00:26:46.000 It was Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, I do that.

00:26:49.000 And so every day is two a days or do you have sometimes one workout a day?

00:26:54.000 Yeah, some Wednesdays and Thursdays is one a day.

00:26:59.000 And how did you, is this from trial and error?

00:27:02.000 Did you try different ways of doing it and different ways of setting up your camps?

00:27:06.000 And this is what you found to be the best for your body?

00:27:09.000 I really just don't like training.

00:27:11.000 I'm not going to lie to you.

00:27:13.000 I don't like doing none of this.

00:27:15.000 I really just do it just to take care of my family.

00:27:18.000 I do it just enough if, okay, I can last three rounds.

00:27:23.000 I'm going to train just the last three rounds.

00:27:26.000 If I got to train five rounds, I'm like, damn!

00:27:29.000 Okay.

00:27:31.000 All right.

00:27:32.000 I'm going to try to train as much as I can just to last at least four and a half rounds.

00:27:37.000 But if you're going to fight for the title again, you're going to have to fight five rounds.

00:27:40.000 Yeah, I know.

00:27:40.000 I'm going to have to fight five rounds.

00:27:43.000 That's the only thing that scares me.

00:27:44.000 But you want to be the champ.

00:27:45.000 I want to be the champ, but my main goal is to be the champ.

00:27:49.000 My main goal is to be rich like you.

00:27:53.000 And I ask people questions.

00:27:55.000 I understand.

00:27:57.000 But the best way to be rich is to be the champ.

00:28:00.000 That's like your best path.

00:28:01.000 And you have a legit shot at being the heavyweight champion of the world.

00:28:06.000 I mean, that's got to mean something.

00:28:08.000 It just...

00:28:09.000 My name and mixed with heavyweight champion in the world is so crazy because my past and the stuff I've been through in my life just wouldn't be real.

00:28:17.000 Well, tell me about your past.

00:28:18.000 What about it makes it seem less real?

00:28:22.000 I guess, you know...

00:28:26.000 Going through the system and stuff like that for so many years and being counted out and being left behind by family members and friends and stuff like that and everyone turning their back on you.

00:28:40.000 Then being on top of the world and top of the sport and stuff like that.

00:28:46.000 My name mentioned by other great people in the world and stuff like that.

00:28:53.000 Now other people are looking up to me Then being heavyweight champion of the world would just be an unbelievable feeling.

00:29:00.000 Well, it's got to be unbelievable already, right?

00:29:02.000 Yes, it is.

00:29:02.000 You're one of the top heavyweights on the planet Earth.

00:29:06.000 It is.

00:29:06.000 You've got to be ranked number two right now, right?

00:29:09.000 Yes, I'm number two.

00:29:10.000 It's a crazy feeling.

00:29:13.000 I try not to think about it because it really don't feel real.

00:29:17.000 I feel like one of those highs that you wish you'd never been this high.

00:29:22.000 I don't want to be this high anymore.

00:29:24.000 I'm sure to show you.

00:29:26.000 Sorry to be on the mushrooms and stuff like that.

00:29:29.000 I'm like, nah.

00:29:31.000 Yeah, I understand.

00:29:32.000 So tell me about your past.

00:29:35.000 What about, like when you're saying going through the system, you mean the judicial system?

00:29:39.000 What about your past was...

00:29:42.000 Yeah, I've been in prison and stuff like that.

00:29:45.000 I did three and a half years in prison.

00:29:47.000 For what?

00:29:48.000 For assault, aggravated assault.

00:29:51.000 I don't see you assaulting people.

00:29:52.000 That's weird.

00:29:53.000 Oh.

00:29:56.000 I'm kidding.

00:29:57.000 Well, you should have been at my courthouse.

00:29:58.000 You should have been telling that to the judge.

00:30:01.000 I would have said that to the judge.

00:30:02.000 Your Honor, I think this is a mistake.

00:30:04.000 Yeah.

00:30:07.000 Yeah.

00:30:07.000 So three and a half years for that.

00:30:09.000 And so people wrote you off.

00:30:11.000 They felt like you were just going to be trouble your whole life.

00:30:14.000 Yeah.

00:30:14.000 Especially I had a full scholarship.

00:30:17.000 I played the year.

00:30:19.000 I ended up getting probation for that.

00:30:21.000 I ended up playing a year at Kilgore Dream College.

00:30:26.000 And I ended up violating because I didn't have a job, and I had to pay my fines and fees and show up to my meetings, which no one wanted to help me to do.

00:30:38.000 And so I ended up getting violated from that.

00:30:43.000 And it was only a two-year probation at the time, just a vacation.

00:30:47.000 And so no one wanted to help me to go to my class and help me pay my fines and stuff like that because I was in college, you know, didn't have any money.

00:30:58.000 And so they violated me.

00:31:00.000 I went to prison on a five-year sentence, but I got parole three and a half years.

00:31:05.000 So you went to prison because of the violation of not paying the fines?

00:31:09.000 Mm-hmm.

00:31:09.000 Yeah.

00:31:10.000 The feeling of being counted out by the system, that's one of the main problems that most people have with our justice system.

00:31:18.000 It's that it doesn't really rehabilitate people.

00:31:20.000 It makes people feel like there's no hope.

00:31:23.000 And in a lot of ways, it makes them resign themselves to a life of crime.

00:31:27.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:31:29.000 Then it's really nothing they can really do to help somebody to rehabilitate themselves whenever they get out.

00:31:37.000 There's no programs they can really, like jobs and stuff.

00:31:40.000 There's some jobs, but not really good paying jobs that they really need to really survive out here.

00:31:48.000 So going from that to becoming a successful martial artist, and I know you don't think you practice martial arts, but you definitely do, but to be a successful fighter, you've changed your future, but I think you've also opened up a lot of people's eyes that maybe they can change their future too.

00:32:10.000 If a guy like you can do it, then what's the difference between you and a lot of other people?

00:32:15.000 Not much difference.

00:32:16.000 Yes.

00:32:16.000 My brother reminds me of that all the time.

00:32:20.000 He's thinking that the fighting is so easy because I could do it that he believed that he could do it.

00:32:26.000 I'm telling you, it's completely different.

00:32:27.000 Is your brother big like you?

00:32:29.000 Yeah, he's big, yeah.

00:32:30.000 Can he fight?

00:32:31.000 Well, he can fight in the streets.

00:32:33.000 You know, it's completely different fighting in the streets than mixing more shots.

00:32:36.000 But yeah, in the streets he can fight.

00:32:38.000 How old's your brother?

00:32:40.000 He's 31. I'm recruiting him right now.

00:32:42.000 How much does he weigh?

00:32:42.000 Where's he at?

00:32:43.000 He's about 250. Oh, there we go.

00:32:48.000 But he's short, though.

00:32:49.000 He's short.

00:32:50.000 He's like 5'10".

00:32:52.000 So is Daniel Cormier.

00:32:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:57.000 You can be short and still be the heavyweight champion of the world.

00:33:00.000 I mean, Mike Tyson, too.

00:33:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:03.000 Yeah, but is he interested in doing it?

00:33:07.000 Yeah, he is, but I told him, no, we're not doing it.

00:33:10.000 Really?

00:33:11.000 Yeah.

00:33:11.000 Why?

00:33:12.000 Because my brother took ghetto, first of all.

00:33:16.000 They wouldn't...

00:33:18.000 The world wouldn't be able to handle someone like him.

00:33:20.000 Really?

00:33:20.000 He's too outspoken and he's real ghetto.

00:33:23.000 Man, I don't know.

00:33:24.000 If you can tell him to tone it down a little bit, we might have...

00:33:26.000 I tell him that every day whenever I talk to him.

00:33:29.000 He's always going live and just want to be ghetto all the time.

00:33:32.000 So he can't be doing it.

00:33:33.000 He got to learn how to turn it off and on.

00:33:35.000 And he's like, no.

00:33:36.000 Is he the guy you get your Instagram clips from?

00:33:41.000 No.

00:33:43.000 Dude, you get the best Instagram page out of any MMA fighter.

00:33:47.000 I check your shit every day.

00:33:48.000 I do.

00:33:49.000 I check your shit every day because there's always something wild that you have posted.

00:33:52.000 Somebody reported me for something just now.

00:33:55.000 Oh, you fucking rats.

00:33:56.000 Yeah.

00:33:57.000 What was it?

00:33:58.000 It's the video I posted.

00:34:00.000 Which one?

00:34:01.000 He ran into the back of the truck.

00:34:03.000 He was getting pulled by the truck.

00:34:04.000 Yeah, the guy who slid with the rope, hanging out to the rope.

00:34:07.000 You got reported for that one?

00:34:08.000 That's so tame.

00:34:09.000 They should see all your other shit.

00:34:10.000 They're reporting you for that.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, so now what I do, I just keep him on there for a few hours or maybe a day or so.

00:34:17.000 Then I delete him.

00:34:18.000 Yeah.

00:34:18.000 Yeah, I almost hesitated telling people how good your Instagram was because I didn't want you to get in trouble because it was so fun.

00:34:24.000 Because it's always dudes getting fucked up and it's always he's okay when you know that motherfucker's not okay.

00:34:30.000 That's what I started doing because I was getting reported a lot and I was like...

00:34:34.000 Okay, he's okay.

00:34:35.000 People start asking, what's the backstory?

00:34:37.000 Is they on camera?

00:34:38.000 I'm saying, he's okay.

00:34:39.000 There's a lot of dead people that were on your Instagram for fucking sure.

00:34:44.000 Are you selling a he's okay shirt?

00:34:47.000 Yeah.

00:34:48.000 We sold out.

00:34:49.000 We sold out.

00:34:50.000 He's okay, she's okay sold out.

00:34:52.000 I need a he's okay.

00:34:53.000 She's okay, I feel bad.

00:34:55.000 I feel bad.

00:34:55.000 I don't know why, man, but when girls get fucked up in those videos, it makes me feel bad.

00:35:00.000 When dudes get fucked up, I don't feel bad at all.

00:35:02.000 It doesn't bother me at all.

00:35:04.000 Snoop's got a great page, too.

00:35:06.000 Snoop's always posting people getting fucked up, but he posts this one girl, she was drunk, and she was on the top of a truck, and the truck pulled off, and she fell and landed on her head.

00:35:13.000 Yeah, I'll post it.

00:35:14.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:35:15.000 Okay.

00:35:18.000 I told the lady that did that, I'm like, damn, I know my head is messed up, but she really had cropped the hell out of my head.

00:35:25.000 Yeah, what did she do?

00:35:26.000 She made your head smaller.

00:35:27.000 Look at my ear, too.

00:35:27.000 In my ear.

00:35:28.000 She's like, his head's too big.

00:35:29.000 I'm gonna make it smaller.

00:35:30.000 She did.

00:35:31.000 She shrunk your head.

00:35:32.000 Look at my ear.

00:35:33.000 My white ear.

00:35:34.000 I don't have no ear.

00:35:35.000 It looks like she took like a half inch off the right side of your face.

00:35:38.000 There's a rough photoshopping job there.

00:35:40.000 Yeah, she's terrible.

00:35:41.000 People think they know better.

00:35:43.000 Like, oh, his head's too big.

00:35:45.000 Yeah.

00:35:47.000 When did you start posting fucked up things on Instagram like that?

00:35:51.000 I don't know.

00:35:54.000 Probably...

00:35:54.000 16?

00:35:58.000 17?

00:35:59.000 Did you see this one?

00:36:00.000 Which one?

00:36:00.000 Yes, the guy with the hot dog.

00:36:03.000 It's like a hot dog in the dude's pants, wake him up, and cuts his arm off.

00:36:06.000 What does the UFC think about your page?

00:36:14.000 Um...

00:36:15.000 They used to have that one guy, Randy.

00:36:17.000 He used to always call me every day telling me, oh, Dana White wants you to take it down.

00:36:22.000 I'm like, no, I'm not taking that down.

00:36:26.000 I said, hold on, give me a few more hours.

00:36:28.000 I'm going to leave without a few more hours.

00:36:29.000 That's hilarious.

00:36:30.000 They used to call me every day.

00:36:32.000 Do you think it was really Dana White, though, or was it him?

00:36:35.000 That's what I was telling myself.

00:36:36.000 It's probably Dana White.

00:36:37.000 I bet it's him.

00:36:40.000 But then Dana White had a message of me one day on one of the videos.

00:36:45.000 The guy had jumped off the roof.

00:36:47.000 Well, he was trying to jump in the pool, but he ended up slipping on the roof and laying the head first.

00:36:54.000 And Danny White said, White, what happened to that video?

00:36:58.000 I said, well, I took it down and he said, send it to me.

00:37:02.000 And he ended up posting it on his page.

00:37:06.000 Yeah.

00:37:06.000 I said, oh, okay.

00:37:07.000 Let me tell you something.

00:37:08.000 If someone's saying, take it down, it's not Dana.

00:37:11.000 It's not Dana.

00:37:12.000 I send Dana some fucked up things.

00:37:14.000 He never gets upset.

00:37:16.000 Yeah, he's fine with it.

00:37:17.000 But you figured out a way to make your...

00:37:20.000 I mean, how many followers you got now?

00:37:22.000 Just about almost 2 million.

00:37:24.000 Yeah, and I mean, a lot of it is people following you because of your fight career, but a lot of people are following you because of some wild shit you post.

00:37:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:33.000 It's a lot of celebrities, too.

00:37:34.000 Like, I didn't even know they were following me.

00:37:37.000 It's pretty cool, though.

00:37:39.000 Got invited to shoot some golf with Scarface.

00:37:43.000 Really?

00:37:43.000 That's pretty cool.

00:37:44.000 No shit.

00:37:44.000 Look at this.

00:37:45.000 Oh, look at him right there, yeah.

00:37:47.000 Yeah.

00:37:49.000 Brother Mob of Scarface.

00:37:51.000 Yeah.

00:37:53.000 I met Willie D when I did the improv in Houston.

00:37:59.000 Sometimes I get starstruck.

00:38:02.000 With him I got starstruck.

00:38:03.000 When I was a kid, when I was delivering newspapers, I would listen to Ghetto Boys all the time.

00:38:09.000 Sometimes you meet people and you can't believe that's really them.

00:38:12.000 Like, you're a real person?

00:38:15.000 Here you are right here.

00:38:17.000 Then I had him on the podcast and it was great, but Jamie fucked up and half the tape got erased.

00:38:23.000 Whoops.

00:38:24.000 Whoops.

00:38:25.000 The recording's good, but the video got fucked up.

00:38:28.000 The hard drive filled up.

00:38:32.000 He'll come back again.

00:38:33.000 He'll come back again.

00:38:34.000 It's the only time it's ever happened.

00:38:35.000 It'll never happen again.

00:38:36.000 I had a chance to have Bushwick Bill on, but when we circled back, he apparently was in the middle of dying.

00:38:43.000 And right when we circled back, he was already in the hospital, and then he died shortly after there, unfortunately.

00:38:49.000 But I've always been a huge Ghetto Boys fan.

00:38:52.000 Yeah, I love Ghetto Boys.

00:38:54.000 But Scarface was sick too, right?

00:38:56.000 Didn't he have a...

00:38:57.000 Yeah, he's getting lung or something like that.

00:39:00.000 He needed a kidney transplant.

00:39:01.000 I think he needs a kidney transplant.

00:39:04.000 I think he still do.

00:39:05.000 I'm not sure.

00:39:06.000 I think so too.

00:39:07.000 So you golf a lot?

00:39:09.000 Yeah.

00:39:09.000 Is that like your recreation shit?

00:39:11.000 Yes.

00:39:11.000 Every week.

00:39:12.000 Just about every week.

00:39:14.000 What else do you do to relax?

00:39:17.000 Probably just go for a ride through the city.

00:39:21.000 That's about it.

00:39:21.000 Go for a ride.

00:39:22.000 Chill with my kids, my wife.

00:39:25.000 That's about it.

00:39:26.000 Well, we were supposed to have a UFC. They were trying to have a UFC in Houston.

00:39:30.000 They were trying to do the title fight in Houston, but apparently Texas is like, not yet.

00:39:34.000 Yeah, the mayor, he was already tripping about it being fully open, 100% open.

00:39:40.000 He was already tripping.

00:39:41.000 He went on the news right away whenever that happened.

00:39:44.000 He was saying that it wasn't a good idea.

00:39:47.000 Look at Florida.

00:39:48.000 They're fine.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, I'm going to Florida next week, actually.

00:39:53.000 They're wide open and they're fine.

00:39:55.000 If you look at their cases, their cases are no worse than anybody else's.

00:39:59.000 And they have an old population.

00:40:01.000 Florida, like the numbers, the average age of people is higher than most places.

00:40:05.000 Yeah.

00:40:06.000 And they're fine.

00:40:07.000 It's retirement home city, right?

00:40:09.000 Yeah.

00:40:09.000 I think you got to let people do whatever the fuck they want to do.

00:40:12.000 It's too long.

00:40:12.000 It's been a year.

00:40:14.000 You can't just lock everything down for a year.

00:40:16.000 Especially when we know what the disease really is.

00:40:19.000 Yeah.

00:40:19.000 Like a year ago, everybody thought it was like the plague and it was going to kill 10% of the population.

00:40:24.000 We know it's not now.

00:40:25.000 But they was blaming everything on COVID and getting in a car accident, COVID. Right.

00:40:31.000 If someone died, you mean?

00:40:32.000 Yeah.

00:40:33.000 Yeah.

00:40:33.000 Talk to me about your cars.

00:40:34.000 What kind of cars are you into?

00:40:36.000 Ferrari.

00:40:37.000 You got a Ferrari?

00:40:39.000 McLaren.

00:40:41.000 That's where you're spending all your money?

00:40:42.000 Yeah.

00:40:44.000 I buy houses too, yeah.

00:40:47.000 What kind of Ferrari you got?

00:40:48.000 F12. Really?

00:40:50.000 It's the best sounding car in the world right there.

00:40:53.000 Yeah, pull up a picture of that.

00:40:55.000 See if you can get a video of a Ferrari F12. That's a serious fucking car.

00:41:00.000 That's the V12, right?

00:41:01.000 Yeah.

00:41:02.000 Oh my god, that thing sounds good.

00:41:04.000 IPE exhaust.

00:41:06.000 Yeah, my friend Coleon Noir, he's a gun guy on Instagram.

00:41:11.000 Maybe you've seen him.

00:41:12.000 He's a famous...

00:41:13.000 He posts all kinds of shit about guns.

00:41:16.000 He just got one of those too.

00:41:17.000 Got an F12. But yeah, that's a ridiculously fast car too.

00:41:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:22.000 Is that your favorite?

00:41:24.000 My favorite cruise-around car, if I wanted to embarrass somebody in the speed, it's the McLaren, the 720. Yeah?

00:41:31.000 Yeah.

00:41:32.000 So how many cars do you have?

00:41:33.000 One, two, three.

00:41:36.000 Look at that thing.

00:41:37.000 About six.

00:41:39.000 Six?

00:41:40.000 Yeah.

00:41:40.000 let me hear this thing it's a beautiful sounding car Look at that thing.

00:41:54.000 What color is yours?

00:41:55.000 - Let's wear it. - Do you sometimes like get in it and go, I can't believe I have a fucking phone.

00:42:05.000 Every day.

00:42:06.000 Every day.

00:42:07.000 It's the same way with my home, my house.

00:42:10.000 I'm, like, every day, I'm, like, I'm just sitting in the living room or sitting at the kitchen table, and I just look around, like, can't believe it.

00:42:18.000 So I've been in the house almost three years now, and I still...

00:42:21.000 I can't believe it.

00:42:22.000 And I pull up to it and I'm like, man, I can't believe it.

00:42:25.000 Because I grew up in a 700 square foot home, you know, in the projects in New Orleans.

00:42:32.000 And being in an apartment just about all my life until I got into the UFC. And so, like, living in a home like this is, like, so crazy.

00:42:44.000 My whole life right now is like so crazy.

00:42:46.000 So that's why I really don't even really get high no more.

00:42:50.000 I really drank because I'm already feeling like on top of the world.

00:42:54.000 Yeah, you're high on life.

00:42:55.000 Yes.

00:42:56.000 Yeah.

00:42:56.000 Yeah, it's got to be surreal.

00:42:58.000 What is this here?

00:42:59.000 Oh, that's my Lamborghini.

00:43:02.000 It's a twin turbo.

00:43:04.000 Look at that fucking thing.

00:43:07.000 Which model is that?

00:43:09.000 A Honda car.

00:43:10.000 Jesus Christ, that's a good looking car.

00:43:12.000 What do you even take this into a drag strip?

00:43:19.000 Look at Derrick Lewis.

00:43:28.000 McLaren, bikini, Ferrari.

00:43:31.000 I was thinking my wife was back there.

00:43:36.000 She'd be finding all kind of stuff.

00:43:38.000 She'd say, oh, you was here.

00:43:39.000 Oh, you was doing this.

00:43:40.000 I said, no, I wasn't.

00:43:41.000 She'd pull up the receipts.

00:43:43.000 I'm like, damn.

00:43:45.000 I said, no, that ain't me.

00:43:47.000 That's Shaq.

00:43:48.000 They say me and Shaq look alike.

00:43:50.000 Shaq is a ridiculously big person.

00:43:52.000 Yeah.

00:43:53.000 Every time I'm around Shaq, I can't believe we're the same thing.

00:43:56.000 His hands are so big.

00:43:57.000 Like, you shake his hand.

00:43:58.000 His hand disappears inside of his hands.

00:44:01.000 I'm like a point guard next to Shaq.

00:44:03.000 It's so crazy.

00:44:04.000 When you see a guy like Shaq, what's crazy is he couldn't fight in the UFC because he's too big.

00:44:08.000 Too big.

00:44:08.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.

00:44:10.000 Why do they have a weight limit for heavyweight?

00:44:13.000 I don't know.

00:44:14.000 It don't make any sense to me either.

00:44:15.000 I don't get it.

00:44:16.000 Why do you have to reach 265?

00:44:18.000 That seems so silly to me.

00:44:20.000 Because there's a super heavyweight, right?

00:44:22.000 Yeah, super heavyweight.

00:44:23.000 But there's no division.

00:44:24.000 It's not real.

00:44:25.000 I guess they feel like that it would be too fat and slow and everyone would get tired real quick.

00:44:31.000 Maybe.

00:44:32.000 I don't know.

00:44:33.000 Well, what does LeBron James weigh?

00:44:34.000 He's got to weigh 290. What does he weigh?

00:44:36.000 He might be slimmed down.

00:44:37.000 I remember them saying 280 was the claim like 10 years ago.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, okay.

00:44:42.000 So let's assume...

00:44:44.000 Okay, let's think he's 20. It's 280. Let's say he's 280. He's not getting tired.

00:44:49.000 You could be a 280 super athlete.

00:44:51.000 He's probably 265 solid right now, you know?

00:44:54.000 I just think it's weird that there's a limit on the heavyweight division.

00:45:00.000 Yeah.

00:45:01.000 It'd be good if they change it.

00:45:03.000 Yeah.

00:45:03.000 So, in a way, not in a way, but for sure, you're living the American dream.

00:45:08.000 Yes.

00:45:09.000 In a good way, because your life wasn't good in the beginning, and now it's amazing.

00:45:16.000 Yeah, it's pretty amazing.

00:45:18.000 I can't complain about anything, really.

00:45:20.000 Even the bad days, I really can't complain about it.

00:45:24.000 It's so crazy.

00:45:27.000 Now it's like I try to help a lot of my family members out, but they're still trying to find ways to burn me at the end.

00:45:34.000 Your family members?

00:45:35.000 Yeah, I brought just about all of them cars, like cash cars.

00:45:39.000 In less than a few months, they sold all of them.

00:45:43.000 Like, each of my brothers and sisters, my mom, they all sold their cars for the cash.

00:45:49.000 Oh, no.

00:45:50.000 Yeah.

00:45:51.000 And they had some type of crazy excuse, but it's all good.

00:45:55.000 Yeah.

00:45:57.000 Do you have a lot of people asking you for money now?

00:45:59.000 Every day.

00:46:00.000 I already know what's the setup going to be.

00:46:03.000 As soon as someone texts me or calls me that I haven't talked to in a long time, I already know what kind of story they're about to talk about before they ask for money.

00:46:12.000 You got to do what I do.

00:46:13.000 I change my number.

00:46:15.000 I change my number.

00:46:17.000 I change my number all the time.

00:46:18.000 I change my number all the time.

00:46:20.000 And my wife thinks, oh, it's because I'm female or something like that.

00:46:24.000 No, it's not really no females.

00:46:26.000 There's no females at all.

00:46:27.000 It's just like family members are...

00:46:30.000 Some other guy is trying to get an interview with me that someone gave my number to.

00:46:35.000 Yeah, that becomes a problem too, right?

00:46:37.000 Yeah.

00:46:38.000 Yeah, that's the problem, right?

00:46:41.000 More money, more problems.

00:46:43.000 It's 100% true.

00:46:45.000 It's real.

00:46:45.000 So true.

00:46:46.000 And as you become more and more successful, it's going to be a bigger issue still.

00:46:50.000 If you become the champ, then it's going to be crazy.

00:46:55.000 Oh, it's crazy now.

00:46:56.000 I already know.

00:46:57.000 I got men follow home, like, three times already.

00:47:00.000 Really?

00:47:01.000 By fans?

00:47:01.000 Yeah.

00:47:02.000 Do they ever knock on the door?

00:47:04.000 Usually, twice it was by some, like, different, it was couples, and twice it was, like, the woman was driving, and the guy was in the passenger side wanting a picture.

00:47:16.000 Making his girlfriend follow me to my house to take a picture.

00:47:21.000 Yeah.

00:47:23.000 Yeah, it's weird shit being famous, isn't it?

00:47:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:47:28.000 But for you, I mean, to come from being incarcerated, not having hope, into being in this position now, and, I mean, I can only imagine.

00:47:38.000 It's got to be completely surreal.

00:47:41.000 Surreal.

00:47:41.000 That's what I said.

00:47:42.000 It's like, I really don't need to get high on nothing or drink anything.

00:47:47.000 But it's cool, though.

00:47:48.000 It's a plus, you know, smoke a little weed here and there.

00:47:52.000 Yeah, to relax.

00:47:53.000 Yeah.

00:47:54.000 Relax.

00:47:54.000 Take the edge off.

00:47:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:56.000 But does it give you more motivation to keep pushing too?

00:47:58.000 Because you realize that what has been possible.

00:48:01.000 I mean, you've done an amazing thing with your life.

00:48:04.000 Yeah, so they give me a lot of motivations.

00:48:08.000 Because I know how easy it is to slip up and go back into those situations because it was nothing but a street fight that ended bad for the guy I was going against and ended up having to serve almost five years.

00:48:24.000 So it could still happen.

00:48:25.000 I walk out of here.

00:48:27.000 And get in the street fight with someone and probably be way worse situation.

00:48:32.000 I think you got better lawyers now.

00:48:36.000 But you're not a, you're an easy going guy.

00:48:40.000 Yeah, now I am, yes.

00:48:42.000 Now you are.

00:48:42.000 But you weren't back then when you were younger.

00:48:44.000 Back then I was just, I think I had a lot of anger built up in me, which I still do now, but back then it was a lot more.

00:48:55.000 I believe it was just the way I was raised.

00:48:59.000 Wasn't showed that much love in my household and just the family circle.

00:49:05.000 I believe that's what led to a lot of my troubles in the street.

00:49:10.000 That's a lot of young men.

00:49:11.000 Do you feel like you have a second chance with your children to show them love because you didn't get that kind of love when you were younger?

00:49:21.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

00:49:24.000 My kids are completely different than how I was raised.

00:49:28.000 I'm so happy that they're making straight A's in school and making an honor roll every year and already getting scholarships and stuff like that to go to school.

00:49:39.000 Big colleges.

00:49:41.000 And so it's like, my life is already unbelievable as it is.

00:49:46.000 And just seeing that, it's like making me so proud.

00:49:48.000 That's beautiful.

00:49:49.000 Yeah, so proud.

00:49:50.000 That's amazing, man.

00:49:52.000 That's what everybody wants, right?

00:49:53.000 Yes.

00:49:53.000 What everybody wants is like a happy life where it all comes together.

00:49:57.000 And I think with a person like you, you really appreciate it because it wasn't always like this.

00:50:02.000 Oh yeah.

00:50:03.000 So I tell people all the time, I don't regret, I don't You know, I wish nothing like that would happen.

00:50:10.000 I believe that I had to go through that situation to be a better person than I am today.

00:50:15.000 So it's like, being raised without a father figure and stuff like that, I felt like, to me, everyone is different.

00:50:23.000 To me, I felt like I had to go through that situation to be a better father, to be a better man here today.

00:50:29.000 Because if not, then I for sure would have been going in and out of there.

00:50:35.000 For a lot of guys, growing up with a bad situation, like without a father figure, that's ultimately, ironically, what makes them great.

00:50:46.000 Like, having this thing that you're missing when you're young, having these deficits in your life, having a lack of love, it gives you all this motivation, and it makes you...

00:50:57.000 It gives you all this energy to do something with your life.

00:51:00.000 It's ironic because I want nothing but good things for my family.

00:51:04.000 But all of my interesting friends had fucked up lives.

00:51:08.000 All my favorite people, all the people that I know with the most character, their childhood was chaos.

00:51:15.000 But I don't want my kids to go through that.

00:51:17.000 I want my kids to have a nice, easy life.

00:51:20.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:51:21.000 It's ironic.

00:51:22.000 Nowadays, you really have to really talk to your kids now, even though they're doing everything good in school and they're quiet.

00:51:29.000 But now it's like the suicide rate is so high, you never know what's really going on inside their head, you know.

00:51:37.000 Even though they're not in the streets or doing anything bad.

00:51:40.000 But they stay in the room all day long.

00:51:43.000 My oldest daughter, she's 17, and she stays in the room all the time.

00:51:48.000 Me and her mom, we talk to her all the time, and sure enough, she had those thoughts like suicide.

00:51:55.000 Is she staying in the room because school's closed, or has she always been like that?

00:52:00.000 She's always been like that.

00:52:02.000 Just to herself.

00:52:05.000 She just wants friends and stuff like that.

00:52:07.000 We try to tell her to go out and try to make friends and stuff like that.

00:52:14.000 With her, she want friends so bad that she's willing to pay for their friendship, you know, like give them money and just buy them gifts and stuff like that.

00:52:23.000 Try to tell her it's not the way to do it.

00:52:26.000 And so she's in a real bad place right now, so we're still trying to talk to her.

00:52:31.000 That's terrible.

00:52:32.000 Have you thought about getting her involved in something where she can meet people that are doing things she does?

00:52:38.000 Like some kind of either a sport or an activity?

00:52:42.000 Yeah, some type of art class.

00:52:45.000 Because she's a real good artist.

00:52:47.000 She liked the Japanese art.

00:52:49.000 She could really draw really good.

00:52:52.000 Like an anime?

00:52:53.000 Yeah, anime.

00:52:55.000 So we're trying to get her involved in something like that.

00:52:59.000 So, that's about the only issue with her.

00:53:02.000 That sucks.

00:53:03.000 I think it's real hard for kids today with social media, too.

00:53:06.000 Social media.

00:53:08.000 There's a book called The Coddling of the American Mind by this guy named Jonathan Haidt.

00:53:13.000 And inside that book, he talks about how there's a spike in suicides and self-harm, particularly among girls, that's directly related to the invention of social media.

00:53:24.000 Because people are fucking assholes on social media.

00:53:29.000 And a lot of girls are comparing their life to other girls' lives and, you know, they're comparing their pictures to other girls' pictures when these girls' pictures are photoshopped and they're changing, they're doing what they did to your head and shrinking the heads and shrinking the bodies.

00:53:43.000 I mean, that's what they do.

00:53:44.000 And, you know, people look at other people and they feel like, they just feel like they're not as good.

00:53:51.000 It leads to a lot of bad things along with the bullying.

00:53:55.000 It leads to a lot of bad things.

00:53:56.000 Yeah.

00:53:56.000 And this is a thing I didn't know women do.

00:53:59.000 They go to stores and take pictures with purses and stuff like that, jewelry.

00:54:05.000 Then they go to the restroom and take pictures, make it seem like they brought all those things and come to find out they didn't.

00:54:13.000 And that's the thing that's trending right now in Houston.

00:54:17.000 They go to the Post Oak Hotel, and they got a lot of cool stuff over there, and they make it seem like they brought all this stuff, and they really didn't.

00:54:28.000 Yeah, it's so weird showing people all your shit.

00:54:32.000 Yeah.

00:54:33.000 It's a weird thing that people are doing today.

00:54:35.000 It's just social media has gotten everybody all fucked up, like, doing things for likes and doing things for attention.

00:54:42.000 Yeah.

00:54:42.000 And then just paying attention to those likes, looking at it all day, checking to see what you got, you know?

00:54:48.000 I think you're doing it the right way.

00:54:49.000 Just show dudes jumping off roofs and shit.

00:54:51.000 Yeah.

00:54:52.000 Getting pulled into trucks.

00:54:53.000 At least it's real.

00:54:57.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:54:58.000 How old are you now, Derek?

00:54:59.000 36. How long do you think you're going to be fighting for, if you had to guess?

00:55:04.000 I would like to start fighting whenever I'm 40. That'd be great.

00:55:09.000 But after 40, it'd just be embarrassing after that.

00:55:13.000 It seems like the bigger fighters, they have a longer career, and you mature.

00:55:18.000 That's always the thing with heavyweight boxing, too, except for Tyson, of course.

00:55:22.000 But you mature later in life, and I think maybe bigger guys, they get more coordinated as they get older.

00:55:30.000 They get a better control of their body.

00:55:31.000 But look at Jan Bojovic.

00:55:33.000 He's 38, and he just won the title last year.

00:55:37.000 And there's a lot of top flight heavyweights that are in your age range.

00:55:44.000 Like DC, he won the title at 40, I believe.

00:55:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:51.000 I don't know.

00:55:51.000 It depends on my body.

00:55:53.000 I'm feeling pretty good right now.

00:55:54.000 My body's been feeling good ever since the surgery, so we just see.

00:55:59.000 But you've had so much success, and you've had this success because of your body and because of your hard work and the fights you've won.

00:56:10.000 For a guy like you, it's like, you gotta have that in your head.

00:56:13.000 Like, man, this is what I'm using to make my life amazing.

00:56:18.000 Yes.

00:56:19.000 How much more time has this thing got?

00:56:21.000 The thing about with me, you watch my fights and it's like I really don't take that much damage.

00:56:27.000 I've been in real wars like JDS has been in or the other guys at the top has been in.

00:56:37.000 Stipe has been in a lot of wars and took a lot of damage.

00:56:40.000 I believe stuff like that will shorten your career quicker.

00:56:43.000 100%.

00:56:44.000 How do you avoid taking damage?

00:56:47.000 I guess just go to Wayne's, look as scary as possible.

00:56:53.000 I don't know.

00:56:57.000 I don't know.

00:56:59.000 Well, being big helps and also I think your endurance helps too.

00:57:05.000 I think a lot of guys, one of the things that happens is they start fading and then they start getting beaten up.

00:57:12.000 Yeah, that's the thing too.

00:57:14.000 In my fights, I'm fighting with myself.

00:57:19.000 I'm not even really worried about my opponent.

00:57:21.000 I'm fighting with myself the whole time.

00:57:23.000 How so?

00:57:24.000 All right, don't do this.

00:57:25.000 Don't do this.

00:57:26.000 Okay, you can throw this punch, but how do you feel after you threw this punch?

00:57:30.000 All right, you got a little tired right there.

00:57:32.000 Okay, taking the time.

00:57:34.000 All right, you can throw right here.

00:57:36.000 Okay, see how you feel.

00:57:37.000 I'm trying not to get tired.

00:57:38.000 I'm fighting myself.

00:57:39.000 I'm trying not to get tired after every movement I do.

00:57:42.000 And so, okay, you're tired right now.

00:57:44.000 So, okay, wait, wait.

00:57:46.000 All right, wait till he clenched you.

00:57:48.000 Then he clenched you, then we probably could finish him right here.

00:57:51.000 Does that show you how important experience is?

00:57:55.000 Because that's what you learn.

00:57:56.000 Experience, yes.

00:57:57.000 Experience from day one.

00:57:58.000 My first amateur fight, I gasped real bad.

00:58:01.000 I gasped so bad I had to put my hands on my knees.

00:58:06.000 Even the guy that was walking towards me was hitting me because I was just so tired.

00:58:11.000 I wasn't even feeling the punches anymore.

00:58:15.000 So I didn't want to be in that situation anymore.

00:58:18.000 So now, but that seems like it's not just endurance, right?

00:58:22.000 It's knowing when to put on the gas and when to slow down, knowing your body, right?

00:58:28.000 Yes.

00:58:28.000 Experience come into play.

00:58:32.000 I learned a lot, like, being in the UFC fighting all these different type of fighters.

00:58:36.000 It's like...

00:58:37.000 Okay, they could have way more skills than me, and I feel like that if my endurance and conditioning is decent enough to finish the guy, no matter what round or how many seconds left in the fight, I should be okay.

00:58:53.000 Jamie, I'm going to send you something.

00:58:54.000 Is me reacting to him knocking out Volkov...

00:59:00.000 This is one of my favorite clips.

00:59:03.000 Because that knockout was so crazy.

00:59:05.000 We were in the middle.

00:59:06.000 Here it is right here.

00:59:07.000 I'm going to set it to you right now, Jamie.

00:59:10.000 Here, I just airdropped it to you.

00:59:13.000 Wait a minute.

00:59:14.000 Why is it not working?

00:59:18.000 Alright, is it going through?

00:59:20.000 I've got two Jamie Vernons here.

00:59:23.000 Okay.

00:59:24.000 I'll try both of them.

00:59:27.000 You got it?

00:59:27.000 Okay.

00:59:29.000 So that fight, to me, was a perfect example of one of the reasons why people love you.

00:59:35.000 It's because at any moment in the fight, you could end that shit.

00:59:39.000 And that was a fight where you were behind on the judges' scorecards, and we were just saying, it doesn't matter.

00:59:46.000 At any moment, Derek could knock him out.

00:59:50.000 That's the thing that's exciting about you.

00:59:52.000 But the UFC, because we go so crazy, the UFC's decided to put these cameras on us.

00:59:56.000 Give me some volume on this.

00:59:59.000 Look at everybody going crazy.

01:00:12.000 I had to get up.

01:00:13.000 I had to stand up.

01:00:14.000 I couldn't take it.

01:00:16.000 That was so nuts.

01:00:17.000 My coach, my manager, my manager at home, he fainted.

01:00:26.000 Luke said he fainted.

01:00:28.000 He couldn't take it either no more.

01:00:30.000 Everyone was just so pumped about that.

01:00:33.000 And I heard that some police was called because my neighbors, our fans, was just going crazy after the fight.

01:00:39.000 Oh, man.

01:00:40.000 That was wild.

01:00:41.000 That was one of the best come-from-behind knockouts ever.

01:00:44.000 But it was wild, too, because we just got done saying, like, don't count him out.

01:00:49.000 At any moment, he could knock him out.

01:00:50.000 And then, boom, you catch him with a big punch and then drop him and then, boom, put him away.

01:00:54.000 Mm-hmm.

01:00:54.000 We went nuts.

01:00:55.000 I like whenever my coach said, okay, we got a minute left, 30 seconds left.

01:00:59.000 Then I'm like, okay, try the game.

01:01:02.000 So I have to let everything out.

01:01:07.000 A lot of my fights, I finished in the last few seconds of the fight.

01:01:10.000 So I like the weight, the last minute or last two minutes left to really show what I got left in my tank.

01:01:18.000 But that shows your hard work, that you can keep that power deep into the fight.

01:01:24.000 That means you did the work in the gym.

01:01:26.000 You still have the gas.

01:01:29.000 Yeah.

01:01:30.000 Was that your most satisfying knockout?

01:01:33.000 That was, yeah.

01:01:34.000 The crowd made it real satisfying because the way they reacted, you know, then seeing that one guy that played in the one movie, Groot?

01:01:49.000 What movie is that?

01:01:50.000 Guardians of the Galaxy?

01:01:52.000 Oh, Chris Pratt?

01:01:53.000 Yeah.

01:01:53.000 Yeah, yeah, he's a big fan.

01:01:55.000 Seeing his reaction, it was like, it made it all work well, yeah.

01:02:00.000 Yeah, no, that was a big one.

01:02:01.000 That was a big one.

01:02:02.000 I wish the fans was here for the Curtis fight.

01:02:05.000 I'm pretty sure they would have went crazy for that one too.

01:02:08.000 100%.

01:02:08.000 I screamed in my house.

01:02:09.000 I screamed in my house.

01:02:11.000 Every now and then in a fight, when I'm watching fights at home, I scream.

01:02:15.000 And then my wife has to realize I'm watching fights.

01:02:17.000 Because I'm by myself in the theater going, Oh!

01:02:21.000 Yeah, that was one that for sure would have got a giant reaction from the crowd.

01:02:27.000 Do you have a favorite moment as a fighter?

01:02:33.000 Or do you have so many knockouts?

01:02:36.000 Yeah.

01:02:37.000 You have the most knockouts ever in the heavyweight division.

01:02:39.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:02:40.000 Because I wasn't even really going for that.

01:02:44.000 My favorite one, it has to be Volkov.

01:02:47.000 Volkov.

01:02:48.000 Because I was telling my coaches in my camp before that fight, it's like, I'm fighting a Russian guy.

01:02:54.000 It'd be cool if I could get one of those Rocky-type fights.

01:02:57.000 And sure enough, it was a Rocky-type fight.

01:03:01.000 So crazy.

01:03:03.000 So crazy.

01:03:03.000 And it ended just like a Rocky movie.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:03:07.000 Boom!

01:03:08.000 My goodness, that was crazy.

01:03:10.000 Then like a few minutes before that, I hit him and he was saying that his mouthpiece was my mouthpiece.

01:03:17.000 I said, nah, that's not my mouthpiece.

01:03:19.000 I said, okay, I guess.

01:03:21.000 Yeah, that was that KO. Back up to the right hand again that drops him.

01:03:27.000 That shit was picture perfect.

01:03:30.000 Here it is.

01:03:31.000 Boom!

01:03:33.000 I mean, timing, distance, everything.

01:03:36.000 It was picture perfect.

01:03:36.000 And the fact that you did this deep into the fight, look at this.

01:03:41.000 Yeah.

01:03:42.000 Does it feel surreal watching yourself?

01:03:45.000 Oh yeah, all the time.

01:03:46.000 All the time.

01:03:49.000 When you watch yourself on television, like, what goes through your head when you see something like this?

01:03:54.000 I'm like, man, I don't look that fat in person.

01:03:56.000 I don't look fat whenever I watch my highlight.

01:03:59.000 Like, when you see me in person, like...

01:04:02.000 You lost some weight?

01:04:03.000 No, I ain't losing no weight.

01:04:04.000 That's the TV. The problem is with Fox Sports.

01:04:07.000 Fox Sports.

01:04:08.000 ESPN, I think I look a little smaller now.

01:04:10.000 Fox Sports cameras make me look fat.

01:04:14.000 I think everybody thinks they look fat when they see themselves on television.

01:04:17.000 I think I look fat when I walk by a mirror.

01:04:19.000 I'm like, come on, really?

01:04:21.000 There's all this shit.

01:04:24.000 But, you know, if you do drop down to, you know, whatever you want to get to, to 240 or 200, maybe...

01:04:30.000 Maybe then you can see a little six-pack.

01:04:33.000 Yeah, then, you know, I walk around.

01:04:34.000 I walk around with no shirt, but now I don't like walking around with no shirt in front of my sons.

01:04:40.000 My boys, they always call me fat.

01:04:43.000 Because they got six-packs.

01:04:46.000 I make it seem like they don't bother me, but I'm going to cry in the room.

01:04:52.000 How do they feel about their dad being one of the baddest motherfuckers on earth?

01:04:55.000 They don't care.

01:04:55.000 They don't care?

01:04:56.000 Yeah, the neighbors in the backyard that lives behind us say, we know who your dad is.

01:05:02.000 Your dad is famous.

01:05:04.000 I heard my boys say something back to them, said that, we know, we don't care.

01:05:10.000 I'm like, what?

01:05:12.000 I said, don't be mean to them.

01:05:15.000 They say they don't care, but they must care.

01:05:17.000 They have to.

01:05:19.000 They spoil, though.

01:05:20.000 My wife spoils them.

01:05:21.000 I try not to.

01:05:22.000 I try to give them lessons, make them earn everything that they get.

01:05:27.000 Did they have any interest in fighting themselves?

01:05:30.000 No.

01:05:31.000 They wanted to fight.

01:05:32.000 They wanted to box and put them in boxing class.

01:05:36.000 Now they're saying they don't want to get punched, so they don't want to do that and play soccer.

01:05:39.000 I said, okay, cool, play soccer.

01:05:41.000 I don't want them to fight either.

01:05:42.000 I don't want them to play football.

01:05:44.000 Yeah.

01:05:45.000 Football may be worse, right?

01:05:46.000 Yeah.

01:05:47.000 Concussions and stuff like that.

01:05:49.000 Did you feel like that when you were playing football, that it was more dangerous than finding?

01:05:53.000 Not at all.

01:05:53.000 That's all I wanted to do is play football.

01:05:55.000 Yeah?

01:05:56.000 Yeah.

01:05:56.000 So if you had your way to go back, you would have done that instead?

01:06:00.000 Yeah, I would have played football, yeah.

01:06:02.000 That was my number one sport.

01:06:04.000 You enjoy it more?

01:06:05.000 Yeah.

01:06:06.000 Especially being in this situation and playing football, it was a team sport, so I could really blame, okay, it wasn't my fault.

01:06:15.000 It was the defensive tackle fault or the linebacker fault.

01:06:19.000 But now, there's so much pressure on myself, like, okay...

01:06:25.000 If I lose this fight, it's really all on me.

01:06:27.000 Yeah, but if you win this fight, it's really all you.

01:06:29.000 Yes, yes.

01:06:30.000 Yeah.

01:06:31.000 If somebody else scores a touchdown and you win, you're like, eh.

01:06:35.000 But if you knock a motherfucker out like you did Volkov...

01:06:38.000 Yeah.

01:06:39.000 That's you?

01:06:40.000 Mm-hmm.

01:06:41.000 I mean, listen, man.

01:06:42.000 You have more knockouts than any heavyweight in the history of the sport.

01:06:47.000 It was giving me goosebumps just hearing that.

01:06:49.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:06:50.000 Because I watched, like, the highlights of Randy Couture.

01:06:55.000 Mm-hmm.

01:06:56.000 Seen his highlights and all, like, Shane Carlin and stuff like that.

01:07:01.000 The guys that was really knocking on everybody back then.

01:07:04.000 It's like, for me, the past them is, like, so crazy.

01:07:08.000 Pass to everybody.

01:07:09.000 Yeah.

01:07:10.000 Is there any fighter from the past that you wish you were in the same era as them so you could have fought them?

01:07:16.000 I guess you'd say Kimbo.

01:07:18.000 Because everybody, like before I even got into UFC, they was asking me...

01:07:23.000 You think you'll fight Kimbo?

01:07:24.000 I'm like, yeah, I will fight him.

01:07:27.000 And just like, everyone still asks me that.

01:07:30.000 And they don't even know Kimbo passed away already.

01:07:32.000 People that don't know anything about fighting really still ask me, do you think you'll fight Kimbo one day?

01:07:39.000 I'm like...

01:07:40.000 Hope not.

01:07:42.000 He was an interesting case, right?

01:07:43.000 Because he became famous from the internet.

01:07:46.000 One of the rare guys that became famous from street fights from the internet.

01:07:51.000 I believe that's when YouTube came around too.

01:07:53.000 That's when it really got popular because everyone was trying to go watch fights.

01:07:57.000 That's all you could really do back then, YouTube, is watch fights.

01:08:01.000 Yeah, YouTube was in its infancy back then, right?

01:08:04.000 Yeah.

01:08:05.000 There wasn't much going on on YouTube.

01:08:07.000 Everybody just watched YouTube because of fights.

01:08:09.000 I didn't really know anything else to do on YouTube but to watch street fights.

01:08:14.000 I admire that Kimbo went from that with no real experience in grappling or kicking or anything and then took a chance and fought in the UFC. I mean, that took a lot of courage.

01:08:27.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:08:28.000 Yeah, I was a big fan of his back then.

01:08:31.000 He was famous when he got into the Ultimate Fighter and really didn't have a lot of experience in MMA. I mean, fought a little bit in Elite XE, but, you know, relatively small amount of experience in martial arts, really.

01:08:44.000 Just really had good hands.

01:08:46.000 Yeah, I believe his career is similar to almost mine's.

01:08:50.000 I started following him back then too as well because I felt like the same way.

01:08:55.000 People treat me the same way as well.

01:08:58.000 What do you think of this bare knuckle boxing that's going on now?

01:09:02.000 I couldn't do it.

01:09:03.000 I pray I'll never be in that situation where I have to be going in there and fighting financially to be going against guys like bare knuckle boxing and stuff like that.

01:09:15.000 It just looks so painful.

01:09:16.000 Yeah, you get cut up.

01:09:18.000 A lot of guys get cut up.

01:09:19.000 Yeah, I'm already an ugly guy, so I can't really...

01:09:22.000 Can't go in there like that.

01:09:24.000 Did you see the cut that Chris Lieben got in his fight?

01:09:28.000 Chris Lieben...

01:09:29.000 See, Chris Lieben versus...

01:09:31.000 What is his name?

01:09:33.000 Dakota...

01:09:35.000 Dakota Johnson?

01:09:36.000 Is that his name?

01:09:37.000 He fought this guy and he had this, like, an axe wound on his forehead.

01:09:43.000 Like, people don't realize, like, how much...

01:09:45.000 Yeah, look at this.

01:09:46.000 Yeah, seriously.

01:09:48.000 People don't realize, like, how much guys get cut open from just the bones of the knuckles.

01:09:55.000 I used to wonder, I used to think that...

01:09:57.000 Oh yeah, Knight.

01:09:58.000 Jesus Christ.

01:10:00.000 Jason Knight got fucked up too.

01:10:02.000 And Artem Lobov.

01:10:03.000 Look at his face too.

01:10:04.000 The goat.

01:10:05.000 Yeah, both these guys.

01:10:06.000 Both these guys, their face is just destroyed.

01:10:09.000 It's so crazy that they legalized that though.

01:10:12.000 Yeah.

01:10:13.000 But is it...

01:10:14.000 Because you can elbow a guy in the face.

01:10:16.000 You can elbow in that?

01:10:17.000 No, but in MMA. And elbows slice people open too.

01:10:21.000 But it just seems like you get sliced open more in this.

01:10:26.000 I just think it's crazy that Paige Van Zant's in it.

01:10:29.000 Yeah, that was crazy.

01:10:31.000 As pretty as she is?

01:10:31.000 I think she got paid a few million for that.

01:10:34.000 Did she really?

01:10:35.000 Yeah.

01:10:36.000 Wow.

01:10:36.000 If they came around for a few million, would you think about doing it?

01:10:39.000 Of course, yes.

01:10:40.000 That's the problem, right?

01:10:41.000 Yeah.

01:10:42.000 How much are you getting paid for a big fight in the UFC? I don't know.

01:10:47.000 You're not allowed to say it?

01:10:48.000 Yeah, because the way they set the pay up right now, it's like...

01:10:54.000 I get it.

01:10:55.000 No need to discuss it.

01:10:59.000 It's pretty good, though.

01:11:01.000 Obviously, you got a Ferrari, a Lamborghini, and a McLaren.

01:11:04.000 You live in a big house.

01:11:05.000 You're doing great.

01:11:06.000 But I guess with Paige, she just wants to do it anyway and show everybody she's not just pretty.

01:11:12.000 I thought she was just pretty.

01:11:15.000 I watched the highlights of her last fight.

01:11:18.000 She did pretty good.

01:11:20.000 She's tough.

01:11:21.000 She's tough.

01:11:22.000 It's amazing.

01:11:24.000 But I guess it makes sense if they're willing to pay her that amount of money.

01:11:28.000 The money talks.

01:11:29.000 But there's a lot of fighters that are leaving the UFC, you know, at the end of their career, and then going over and transferring into bare-knuckle boxing.

01:11:38.000 But you just, you know...

01:11:39.000 I'm just hopeful that, you know, like, Bellator, PFL, and all the other leagues that's out there are really paying this good, like I'm hearing.

01:11:49.000 Yeah, I hope that there's more competition like that, that fighters can negotiate against, you know.

01:11:55.000 If it wasn't for them, then it would be like, the negotiation would be harder for fighters.

01:12:01.000 So it's good that they're around.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, it is good that they're around.

01:12:05.000 It's good that they're willing to make big bids on fighters that they think are worthwhile.

01:12:14.000 Guys like Mousasi, Ryan Bader, all these guys that are going over to Bellator and...

01:12:22.000 You need competition.

01:12:23.000 It was really strong when the UFC had pride against them, and pride was gigantic.

01:12:29.000 Pride was as big as the UFC at one point in time, and it was a real legitimate competition.

01:12:34.000 And when the UFC bought pride for the longest time, there really wasn't much competition.

01:12:38.000 There was Strikeforce at the time, and the UFC bought Strikeforce.

01:12:43.000 It's not good for the fighters.

01:12:45.000 It's not good for the business either.

01:12:46.000 It's better for everybody.

01:12:48.000 Look at boxing.

01:12:50.000 You've got all these different promotions.

01:12:52.000 You've got Mayweather.

01:12:52.000 You've got Bob Arum.

01:12:54.000 You've got Eddie Hearn.

01:12:55.000 You've got all these different promoters.

01:12:57.000 That one guy that wears his dresses.

01:13:02.000 Who's that?

01:13:03.000 Thelahoya.

01:13:04.000 Oh.

01:13:07.000 Golden boy.

01:13:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:08.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:13:08.000 Cocaine.

01:13:09.000 That's what old Dana called him.

01:13:11.000 Cocaine.

01:13:11.000 Yeah.

01:13:12.000 The one guy that wears the dresses.

01:13:13.000 I don't even think he was wearing dresses.

01:13:14.000 He was wearing fishnets and high heels and shit.

01:13:16.000 I think it was a dress too.

01:13:18.000 Cocaine's a hell of a drug.

01:13:20.000 It's a hell of a drug.

01:13:21.000 Yeah.

01:13:22.000 That's what I heard.

01:13:23.000 Get you wearing fishnets.

01:13:26.000 Yeah.

01:13:26.000 Woo!

01:13:27.000 Yeah.

01:13:28.000 Some Russian broad set him up.

01:13:30.000 Took the pictures.

01:13:32.000 She just wanted to push him.

01:13:33.000 Put him out.

01:13:33.000 Yeah.

01:13:33.000 She must have had some good good.

01:13:35.000 She was hot.

01:13:36.000 Yeah.

01:13:37.000 She got him to wear the stockings.

01:13:38.000 I want you to do this for me, Oscar.

01:13:41.000 Put on fishnets for me.

01:13:44.000 Okay.

01:13:45.000 Fishnets.

01:13:46.000 Let's do it.

01:13:48.000 What kind of conversation do you have before you put on those shoes and you pose with the boxing gloves?

01:13:54.000 I mean, what kind of crazy shit did he say?

01:13:57.000 I don't know.

01:14:00.000 What's up, Jamie?

01:14:01.000 It's actually both.

01:14:01.000 There's another picture.

01:14:03.000 I don't know if that matters a whole lot.

01:14:05.000 Oh, the dress?

01:14:06.000 There's a girl.

01:14:08.000 Let me see.

01:14:08.000 Zoom in on her.

01:14:10.000 Woo!

01:14:11.000 Look at him.

01:14:12.000 Is she nice?

01:14:13.000 Yeah, I don't...

01:14:14.000 Yeah, look at his eyes.

01:14:16.000 He's on another dimension right now.

01:14:19.000 Coked out of his mind, wearing a tutu, dancing around her apartment.

01:14:25.000 She's snapping Polaroids.

01:14:26.000 Like, what the fuck?

01:14:28.000 Yeah.

01:14:29.000 Yeah, he's an interesting character.

01:14:33.000 But I guess he still promotes fights.

01:14:35.000 He doesn't promote Canelo anymore.

01:14:36.000 Him and Canelo had a big falling out.

01:14:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:39.000 I didn't know anything about Canelo until he fought Mayweather.

01:14:43.000 But he's a good fighter.

01:14:45.000 He's phenomenal.

01:14:47.000 Yeah, he's phenomenal.

01:14:48.000 Do you follow boxing?

01:14:49.000 A little.

01:14:49.000 A little bit?

01:14:50.000 Just really like the heavyweights, someone that's entertaining.

01:14:55.000 I really don't keep track of him that much.

01:14:57.000 What do you think about all the shit that's going on with Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua and Andy Ruiz?

01:15:04.000 There's a lot of good fighters right now in the heavyweight division.

01:15:06.000 It's an exciting time.

01:15:08.000 Yeah.

01:15:12.000 What's his name?

01:15:14.000 The bronze bomber or whatever?

01:15:15.000 Deontay Wilder.

01:15:16.000 The Wilder, yeah.

01:15:17.000 It's crazy that he's not calling out Fury right now.

01:15:21.000 He want to fight someone else.

01:15:23.000 He's trying to fight Andy Ruiz.

01:15:24.000 Yeah, I think that's the latest.

01:15:26.000 I would be calling out Fury again.

01:15:28.000 It's 1-1 already, so for him to go away from that, it don't look right.

01:15:34.000 It doesn't look right.

01:15:35.000 No, there was a lot going on with that fight.

01:15:38.000 I don't know if you know, but he came up with a bunch of crazy excuses.

01:15:41.000 Yeah, I was hearing the excuse every few months.

01:15:43.000 The suit was too heavy.

01:15:47.000 Someone poisoned his water.

01:15:49.000 Yes, water was poisoned.

01:15:51.000 He thinks Mark Breland...

01:15:52.000 Like, had some sort of a deal to sabotage him.

01:15:56.000 Yeah.

01:15:56.000 That's why he threw in the towel.

01:15:58.000 And Trump lost the election, and South Park episode was supposed to be canceled.

01:16:04.000 Well, he thought that Tyson Fury had an egg weight in his glove.

01:16:10.000 Egg weight.

01:16:10.000 And he also thought that the glove was not attached correctly.

01:16:16.000 He thought that he wasn't hitting him with the padded part of the glove, that the glove was pushed further up on his hand so that his knuckles were hitting the wrist area.

01:16:27.000 That's where his knuckles were.

01:16:28.000 And it's crazy.

01:16:29.000 There's all these videos detailing how Tyson Fury...

01:16:32.000 Conspiracy, yeah.

01:16:33.000 It's so stupid.

01:16:34.000 Because they don't understand what Tyson does.

01:16:37.000 He does this kind of shit with his hands.

01:16:39.000 And if you catch this, if you do it as a photo or in slow motion, it looks weird.

01:16:45.000 But it's because he's showing you this and then dropping the right hand.

01:16:50.000 And that's what he does.

01:16:51.000 That's always what he's done.

01:16:52.000 If you watch that, it's in all of his fights.

01:16:54.000 But he also can do this.

01:16:57.000 They're gloves.

01:16:58.000 He's got gloves on.

01:16:59.000 He's wearing the gloves right.

01:17:00.000 He fucked you up.

01:17:01.000 It's just a fight.

01:17:02.000 And it sucks because I like Deontay and I'm a big fan.

01:17:06.000 I think he's probably the most exciting one-punch knockout artist in the history of the heavyweight division.

01:17:11.000 He knocks guys out.

01:17:13.000 He hits them on the forehead and they go to sleep.

01:17:15.000 It's crazy.

01:17:15.000 He's got crazy power.

01:17:17.000 It's just sad when a guy is used to winning.

01:17:20.000 Only winning.

01:17:21.000 And then loses one fight and doesn't say, hey, he was a better man.

01:17:24.000 Back to the drawing board.

01:17:26.000 I'm going to figure out what I did wrong.

01:17:27.000 Instead, he's got crazy excuses.

01:17:28.000 Like, there's a weight in his glove, and I was poisoned, and the vest was too heavy.

01:17:35.000 Like Conor McGregor, he has a lot of excuses as well.

01:17:38.000 In the last fight?

01:17:39.000 Yeah.

01:17:40.000 Yeah.

01:17:41.000 Well, he had legitimate excuses.

01:17:43.000 Like, Dustin Poirier did fuck up his leg, and he said he wasn't ready for that.

01:17:47.000 And he also said he was training for Manny Pacquiao.

01:17:49.000 But he also said at least that Dustin was the better man.

01:17:53.000 Yeah.

01:17:53.000 He was the better man that night.

01:17:55.000 And he wants immediately to do it again.

01:17:57.000 Yeah.

01:17:57.000 Which I respect.

01:17:58.000 Yeah, it's going to be a good fight.

01:18:00.000 I like Conor.

01:18:00.000 I like watching him fight.

01:18:02.000 I like hearing him talk, see what he got to say.

01:18:05.000 It's interesting how valuable personality is.

01:18:08.000 Yeah.

01:18:09.000 Right?

01:18:09.000 Like, think about that guy.

01:18:10.000 Obviously, he's had some spectacular fights, the Jose Aldo fight, Eddie Alvarez fight, and he's done, he had some amazing knockouts.

01:18:17.000 But it's also, a lot of it is personality.

01:18:21.000 His personality is so valuable, because people want to watch him fight.

01:18:25.000 They just want to watch.

01:18:28.000 Yeah, he's crazy, though.

01:18:29.000 He always has me laughing.

01:18:31.000 Yeah.

01:18:32.000 I just feel sorry for those little guys, though.

01:18:34.000 Like, having to go to press conference to talk.

01:18:38.000 Like, you can't really say anything.

01:18:40.000 Yeah, he talks so much shit.

01:18:42.000 He's so good at it.

01:18:44.000 Him fighting Cowboy, and he was talking shit to Cowboy before the fight.

01:18:48.000 I'm like...

01:18:49.000 I feel bad for Cowboy because he didn't really say anything to him.

01:18:53.000 Conor be on his shit though.

01:18:55.000 Well, Conor's just too good at it.

01:18:57.000 He's just much better at talking shit.

01:18:59.000 The best example to me was the Jose Aldo fight.

01:19:03.000 Because Jose Aldo...

01:19:05.000 He wasn't used to it.

01:19:06.000 Not at all.

01:19:07.000 Everybody respected him.

01:19:08.000 Most of his opponents respected him.

01:19:11.000 Because he was the greatest featherweight champion of all time at that point.

01:19:15.000 And to have Conor just talking mad shit for months and months.

01:19:19.000 And they went on a world tour.

01:19:20.000 So they did a press conference after press conference.

01:19:23.000 And Conor's just talking mad shit.

01:19:25.000 And then knocks him out with one punch.

01:19:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:29.000 I guess we've kind of seen that too.

01:19:32.000 Try to get under his skin.

01:19:33.000 Guys from Brazil try to get under his skin.

01:19:35.000 He's not used to it.

01:19:37.000 He just knew that he was going to try to come in and try to take his head out because he built up so much hate.

01:19:42.000 Yeah.

01:19:43.000 So it worked.

01:19:45.000 His game plan worked.

01:19:47.000 Yeah, but it backfired against Khabib.

01:19:49.000 Oh yeah, Khabib.

01:19:51.000 Because when Khabib was on top of him beating the fuck out of him going, let's talk now.

01:19:55.000 Bam!

01:19:56.000 Let's talk now.

01:19:58.000 Man, I would be so mad about that.

01:20:02.000 For the fighter ever.

01:20:03.000 He'd probably have to catch me in the parking lot.

01:20:07.000 Yeah, Khabib's an interesting character, isn't he?

01:20:10.000 He's good.

01:20:12.000 He's the best lightweight of all time, for sure.

01:20:15.000 29-0.

01:20:17.000 Maybe he lost one or two rounds his whole career.

01:20:20.000 Maybe.

01:20:22.000 Those rounds, it's not like he lost in a big way.

01:20:24.000 He was just kind of coasting.

01:20:25.000 To me, I go into a fight not even worrying about trying to win the round.

01:20:30.000 I'm trying to win the fight.

01:20:31.000 I'm not even trying to make it to a decision.

01:20:34.000 Do you ever think about decisions?

01:20:36.000 Do you ever think about scoring points?

01:20:37.000 No.

01:20:37.000 You're just trying to knock people out.

01:20:39.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:20:39.000 Maybe that's why you have the most knockouts ever.

01:20:42.000 That's what I'm going for.

01:20:45.000 I'm trying to just finish them.

01:20:46.000 I'm not trying to go to the decision.

01:20:48.000 It's weird going to the decision.

01:20:50.000 I'm always shocked.

01:20:52.000 Every time I win the decision, I'm like...

01:20:54.000 Yeah.

01:20:55.000 Banging my chest.

01:20:58.000 It's always so weird though.

01:21:00.000 I never have a good feeling and decision.

01:21:03.000 It's funny because most people, that's the majority of their wins.

01:21:08.000 But it's the opposite.

01:21:09.000 Yeah, it's so weird.

01:21:11.000 Have you always had that kind of power?

01:21:14.000 Yes.

01:21:14.000 What do you attribute that to?

01:21:16.000 Is it from...

01:21:18.000 Probably my father.

01:21:19.000 My dad, my mom said my dad used to be like that in the streets and stuff like that, knocking everyone out.

01:21:26.000 I believe that's where it's from.

01:21:28.000 Most of it, maybe from my anger, just built up.

01:21:32.000 Just wanted to rip somebody's head off.

01:21:34.000 Well, power's a weird thing, right?

01:21:35.000 It's like you either have it or you don't.

01:21:37.000 You can get stronger, you can hit a little harder, but to have the kind of power like you do, you can't train that.

01:21:45.000 You either have it or you don't.

01:21:47.000 Yeah, some of the boxers, they seem like they have a lot of power, but whenever you see them start, not boxers, basketball players, they come to the gym, like a couple of the Rockets come to the gym, like James Harden came to the gym.

01:22:01.000 And you see them hitting pads, it's like there's no power behind their punches.

01:22:05.000 You know, they're big guys, big strong-looking guys.

01:22:08.000 It's like they're pitty-patting whenever they hit the mitts.

01:22:11.000 I mean, they're trying to hit it as hard as they can, and they just can't.

01:22:14.000 Yeah, it's a weird thing.

01:22:16.000 You either have it or you don't.

01:22:18.000 You know, I don't know, you know, I don't think they've ever figured it out either.

01:22:23.000 I don't think there's like, I know that like, there's the size of your fists, the width of your shoulders, the size of your shoulders, there's a lot of things along that, but it's also, you either have it or you don't.

01:22:34.000 Yeah, that's what I believe, yeah.

01:22:37.000 I don't think there's anything like it.

01:22:40.000 For athletes in any other sport, you can get stronger, you can lift weights, you can get more powerful, but just in terms of striking power, I just think your body's either designed for it or not.

01:22:52.000 It's very strange.

01:22:54.000 I feel like I'm living like a simulator.

01:22:59.000 Simulation?

01:23:00.000 Simulation.

01:23:00.000 It's like whoever picked me, it's like, okay, You know, they do speed, do grappling or whatever, and they put strength all the way up.

01:23:10.000 And they spent everything on strength and power.

01:23:13.000 And so it's just like my life just feels like a simulator.

01:23:16.000 I think you have those things, but I think it's also your mind.

01:23:20.000 Like, you stay calm in there, and you find ways to win.

01:23:25.000 And there's moments in fights where guys get overwhelmed by chaos, but when I watch you fight, you find ways to win.

01:23:34.000 You're always seeing through all the bullshit, looking for a way to win.

01:23:38.000 Yeah, like I said, I'm talking to myself the whole time I'm fighting.

01:23:42.000 I'm like, okay, we gotta slow down right here.

01:23:45.000 We gotta keep going.

01:23:46.000 It's like, they could hit me a thousand times, and I'm like, I'm still the same.

01:23:50.000 Like, you can't really rock my spirit with them.

01:23:54.000 Now, where does that come from?

01:23:56.000 Have you ever worked with a mental coach?

01:23:58.000 No.

01:23:59.000 I think I had got a hold of some bad weed in high school, so maybe so.

01:24:08.000 No, I don't know where it come from.

01:24:10.000 Just always been you?

01:24:11.000 Yeah.

01:24:12.000 Do you think it's just from getting through tough times in life?

01:24:15.000 I believe so as well to going through some pretty bad situations and coming out of them.

01:24:21.000 It's like...

01:24:22.000 If I made it, you know, how some people like pray to God and say, man, if I ever get out of this situation right here, then I ain't gonna never do that no more.

01:24:31.000 So I believe it's stuff like that.

01:24:34.000 I think also when you go through those bad situations, Being inside the Octagon is not as bad.

01:24:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:42.000 The fight's going to be over in three rounds and you'll go on with your life.

01:24:50.000 I compare...

01:24:52.000 I see my grandfather battle with cancer and stuff like that.

01:24:57.000 I knew how tough he was.

01:24:59.000 To see him go through all that pain and suffering that he did the last few months that he was here.

01:25:06.000 It was like, man...

01:25:07.000 If I could just go through this, whatever I'm going through right now in life, if I could just go through this for 15 minutes, 25 minutes, then I should be alright.

01:25:20.000 But my grandfather had to deal with that pain every day, all day.

01:25:23.000 The suffering that he went through.

01:25:26.000 And, you know, I knew how tough he was.

01:25:29.000 And for him to be calling out for me to help him do certain things, like to help him go to the restroom or get some water, even for him just to sit up.

01:25:40.000 And I just knew it was just real tough on him.

01:25:44.000 Yeah.

01:25:45.000 Well, seeing something like that puts it all in perspective, right?

01:25:49.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:25:51.000 Now, after the Curtis Blades knockout, where does the UFC have you lined up?

01:25:56.000 Are they telling you, hey, we want you to face the winner of this fight, or we want you to face Jon Jones?

01:26:02.000 I think what they're saying now is they want Jon to face the winner of Francis versus Stipe.

01:26:09.000 Do you know where that leaves you?

01:26:12.000 They didn't say anything, really.

01:26:15.000 Right now we're just trying to renegotiate the contract and see where it goes from there.

01:26:23.000 For me, I want to stay active.

01:26:26.000 I don't want to be waiting around to fight anyone.

01:26:29.000 I'm not young like I used to, so I don't really want to wait around and fight for the title or wait around to fight on a certain opponent.

01:26:37.000 I'm willing to fight anyone who's ready.

01:26:40.000 So do you think that it's better for you to stay active because you fight better when you're active, when you fight more often?

01:26:47.000 No, I don't think that's the case.

01:26:48.000 It's just that I know I have my window of time is closing.

01:26:53.000 To make money.

01:26:54.000 To make money, yeah.

01:26:56.000 So I don't have that much time left, so I just want to make money, not just sit around and wait.

01:27:02.000 So who's left, though?

01:27:04.000 Overeem's gone.

01:27:06.000 Junior's gone.

01:27:07.000 You knocked out Volkov.

01:27:09.000 You knocked out Curtis.

01:27:11.000 You know, like, who makes sense in that heavyweight division to you right now?

01:27:16.000 Other than John, Stipe, and Francis.

01:27:22.000 Um...

01:27:22.000 Rosenstreich or what?

01:27:24.000 Rosenstreich, yeah.

01:27:25.000 Rosenstreich or, I guess, Gane?

01:27:28.000 Mm-hmm.

01:27:29.000 Gane or whatever his name?

01:27:30.000 Cyril Gane, yeah.

01:27:31.000 Who just beat Rosenstreich.

01:27:33.000 Mm-hmm.

01:27:33.000 Yeah.

01:27:35.000 Whoever.

01:27:36.000 Whoever I haven't fought yet in the top ten.

01:27:39.000 I'm glad they're not talking about that one guy anymore.

01:27:43.000 I'm bad with names.

01:27:44.000 I don't care who you are.

01:27:45.000 I'm terrible with names.

01:27:47.000 Which guy?

01:27:49.000 The guy that beat his wife.

01:27:50.000 What's his name?

01:27:53.000 Travis Brown?

01:27:54.000 The black guy.

01:27:56.000 Who's that?

01:27:59.000 Greg Hardy.

01:28:00.000 Oh, Greg Hardy.

01:28:02.000 That's right.

01:28:02.000 I'm glad they not asked me to fight him anymore.

01:28:05.000 Did they really ask you to fight him?

01:28:06.000 Yeah.

01:28:06.000 But he was just starting.

01:28:08.000 Yeah, I know.

01:28:08.000 They've been trying to get us to fight for a few years now.

01:28:12.000 And is he released from the UFC? Did they release him after his fight?

01:28:14.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:28:15.000 Because he got stopped by a Marcin Tibura, right?

01:28:21.000 Yeah.

01:28:22.000 That's who it was.

01:28:23.000 Yeah.

01:28:24.000 Yeah.

01:28:26.000 That's a CBD drink.

01:28:27.000 It's good for you.

01:28:28.000 No THC. Oh, okay.

01:28:31.000 That's got my face on it, too.

01:28:33.000 Look at that.

01:28:34.000 That's me.

01:28:35.000 How'd it feel?

01:28:36.000 How'd it feel to have your face on certain products?

01:28:38.000 Uh, weird.

01:28:41.000 Not as weird as people tattooing my face on them.

01:28:43.000 Yeah, that is weird.

01:28:45.000 Especially when there's a dude, huh?

01:28:46.000 Yeah, there's a lot of dudes.

01:28:47.000 Yeah, I know of one lady who got my face tattooed on her.

01:28:52.000 She's very pretty.

01:28:53.000 Where'd she put it at?

01:28:55.000 Uh, right next to her.

01:28:56.000 How do your wife feel about that?

01:28:58.000 She doesn't know until now.

01:29:02.000 Okay, alright.

01:29:03.000 Look, I didn't ask the lady.

01:29:04.000 What kind of facial expressions she put on there, though?

01:29:07.000 Just a regular picture.

01:29:10.000 Just a regular picture of my face.

01:29:12.000 Yeah, I didn't ask her to.

01:29:13.000 I don't know her.

01:29:14.000 Yeah, you gotta say that now.

01:29:16.000 I don't know her.

01:29:17.000 I don't know her.

01:29:18.000 She's just a lady who put my face on her leg.

01:29:22.000 It's all good.

01:29:23.000 It'd be cool if a woman do that to me.

01:29:25.000 I'm sure they have.

01:29:26.000 You probably just don't know about it.

01:29:28.000 There's probably one listening right now going, now I know my next tattoo.

01:29:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:35.000 That's a new one, yeah.

01:29:37.000 That's me with a UFO and some asteroids.

01:29:39.000 It's amazing how good tattoo artists are now.

01:29:42.000 Like, that looks like a fucking photograph.

01:29:44.000 It's wild.

01:29:45.000 Like, they got the pores in my face and the gray in my beard and everything.

01:29:49.000 It's nuts.

01:29:49.000 Stoned out of your mind.

01:29:50.000 Stoned out of my mind.

01:29:52.000 Yeah.

01:29:52.000 There's been a lot of those.

01:29:53.000 Yeah.

01:29:55.000 How did we get to that?

01:29:57.000 Oh, the CBD drink.

01:29:59.000 So we're talking about the Greg Hardy fight.

01:30:02.000 Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me that they were trying to do that.

01:30:06.000 Unless they're trying to set Greg Hardy up with someone who's got a lot more experience than him.

01:30:11.000 No, it was really the...

01:30:13.000 He fought Volkov.

01:30:14.000 Yeah.

01:30:15.000 You know?

01:30:16.000 Yeah.

01:30:16.000 Greg Hardy fought Volkov, and he fought well.

01:30:18.000 He fought Volkov after I fought Volkov.

01:30:20.000 Yeah.

01:30:21.000 He fought well.

01:30:22.000 I was impressed.

01:30:23.000 Like, when you think of how little experience that guy has in MMA, that he went three hard rounds with Volkov.

01:30:28.000 I thought that was impressive.

01:30:30.000 Yeah.

01:30:32.000 Other than that, he seemed like an okay guy.

01:30:34.000 Yeah, I don't know him.

01:30:36.000 I don't know him.

01:30:37.000 Seems like an okay guy.

01:30:39.000 So, there's no one that stands out as a potential opponent for you in the heavyweight division?

01:30:44.000 No.

01:30:45.000 So, whoever want to fight, just let's go.

01:30:48.000 Holler at your boy.

01:30:49.000 Yeah.

01:30:50.000 So, you just sit around and just wait for the phone call, right?

01:30:52.000 That's it.

01:30:53.000 So, we...

01:30:54.000 We would like to do some grappling tournaments with Chell Sonnen.

01:30:59.000 Oh, yeah?

01:30:59.000 Oh, you're going to do Submission Underground?

01:31:01.000 Yeah, we were supposed to do it in December, but the UFC said no because they might have me fighting again in December.

01:31:09.000 And this was before I was supposed to fight Curtis the first time.

01:31:13.000 And I'm like, if my fight is going to be in November, already fighting Curtis, why I can't do a match right there in December?

01:31:22.000 Usually, no matter how fast of a knockout that I would land.

01:31:26.000 And so we kind of knew something was up with Curtis.

01:31:31.000 We kind of figured that maybe he's sick or it's something the USC is hiding.

01:31:36.000 So sure enough that the day before the fight, he got tested positive for COVID.

01:31:43.000 Oh, okay.

01:31:45.000 That makes sense.

01:31:47.000 You never got COVID? Not that I know of.

01:31:51.000 I don't know.

01:31:54.000 If I'm sneezing or coughing or my feet itching, I'm thinking it's COVID. I don't know.

01:32:02.000 They coming up with new symptoms every week, so you never know what you got now.

01:32:07.000 So, when you have a big knockout, like the Curtis Blades knockout, does the UFC, do they talk to you afterwards?

01:32:13.000 They say, that was impressive, this is what we want to do with you.

01:32:17.000 What do they say?

01:32:19.000 I got a FaceTime from Dana afterwards.

01:32:22.000 You know, he talked pretty good.

01:32:25.000 You know, I'm just leaving at that.

01:32:27.000 You talk pretty good?

01:32:29.000 Yeah, he talked pretty good of me during the FaceTime and said some other stuff too, but I'm going to leave it at that.

01:32:35.000 Okay, I understand.

01:32:36.000 You don't want to divulge any information?

01:32:38.000 Not yet.

01:32:40.000 They have to be happy with that.

01:32:41.000 Oh yeah, it was cool.

01:32:43.000 I think there's two...

01:32:46.000 Super impressive one-punch knockouts in the heavyweight division.

01:32:49.000 There's Francis knocking out Alistair and you knocking out Curtis.

01:32:52.000 I think those are the top two of all time.

01:32:54.000 I can't imagine a better knockout than that uppercut.

01:32:57.000 The noise that he was making afterwards.

01:32:59.000 I don't know if you heard the noise.

01:33:01.000 I heard it, yeah.

01:33:02.000 That reminded me of a fight I had in high school.

01:33:06.000 It was at CC's.

01:33:07.000 A guy was talking trash, kept bumping me.

01:33:10.000 It was a rival school we just finished playing a scrimmage football game against.

01:33:17.000 And we was all sitting at the table eating pizza.

01:33:21.000 And their school came in.

01:33:24.000 And the guy just kept elbowing me in the back of my head, like bumping me every time he walked by.

01:33:31.000 I thought he was messing with me at first, like playing around, because I knew him since elementary.

01:33:37.000 But he was serious, and he's like, what's up?

01:33:40.000 And he stood in the middle of the floor, just cussing me out and stuff like that.

01:33:45.000 And as soon as somebody cuts me out like that, I'm like, I already think it's something hostile.

01:33:52.000 And so I said, okay, what's up?

01:33:53.000 And just walked to them and just laid them out right there.

01:33:57.000 And you just start catching a seizure and making the same noise Curtis was making.

01:34:01.000 And I was like, damn, maybe about to die or something.

01:34:04.000 And so what we learned that if they turned their wrists inwards, that means they about to die, that their body is shutting down.

01:34:13.000 But if they turn it Like the way Curtis was, then you're good.

01:34:18.000 Really?

01:34:19.000 Mm-hmm.

01:34:20.000 There's a certain way, like whenever a guy gets stiff, if the wrists turn outwards, that means the body is shutting down.

01:34:29.000 And if the wrists, if they keep their arms like this, that means they're going to be okay.

01:34:35.000 Really?

01:34:36.000 Mm-hmm.

01:34:37.000 You sure that's not more of a he-okay shit?

01:34:39.000 Ha ha ha!

01:34:41.000 Well, I told y'all he's okay because he had his thumb up and all that.

01:34:45.000 That was so fucked up.

01:34:47.000 That was so fucked up when you made that post.

01:34:51.000 He's okay.

01:34:52.000 He's got the thumbs up as he's going down.

01:34:54.000 Yeah, and his wrist was good.

01:34:55.000 Yeah, look into that.

01:34:56.000 I've never heard of anything like that.

01:34:58.000 Jamie?

01:34:59.000 Yeah, Jamie will find it.

01:35:00.000 So, I don't wonder why that is.

01:35:03.000 That means the body is shutting down.

01:35:07.000 You can't survive from it, really.

01:35:11.000 The other way, it's like survival mode of your body.

01:35:14.000 So, from that street fight, that's when you learned that?

01:35:16.000 No, I just learned that a few hours ago from my coach.

01:35:22.000 Yeah, it's uncomfortable watching someone out cold snoring.

01:35:26.000 But whenever a guy talking trash, you know, it could happen to me.

01:35:31.000 It was just no other better feeling.

01:35:33.000 I'm glad it happened.

01:35:34.000 I'm glad he's okay, though.

01:35:36.000 You seem so calm afterwards, though.

01:35:38.000 Yeah, but in my head, I'm like, damn, that was cool.

01:35:43.000 I'm serious.

01:35:44.000 That's what I was thinking.

01:35:45.000 But you just stayed calm.

01:35:45.000 Yeah.

01:35:46.000 As crazy as things are now, you had one shot at the heavyweight title.

01:35:50.000 You lost to DC. What was that fight like?

01:35:54.000 To me, I felt like I was in the best shape in my career.

01:35:58.000 Even though I came in with the knee problems.

01:36:01.000 It didn't really bother me until he started taking me down.

01:36:04.000 And I started hobbling on my knee.

01:36:07.000 Then I had the problem.

01:36:08.000 But other than that, I felt the shape, my conditioning, everything was on point.

01:36:14.000 And I really felt like I was going to win that fight.

01:36:17.000 He's a hell of a wrestler.

01:36:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:21.000 I mean, you look at that guy's career.

01:36:23.000 I mean, pretty fucking amazing.

01:36:25.000 The only guys he's lost to is Stipe and Jon Jones.

01:36:29.000 You know, won the Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix, and he's an undersized heavyweight.

01:36:33.000 Won the heavyweight title, defended it, knocked out Stipe, who's, on paper, the greatest of all time.

01:36:40.000 I mean, you look at Stipe's accomplishments...

01:36:43.000 Now, going from that, what did you get out of that?

01:36:47.000 Like, what did you learn that you would apply if you fought for the title again?

01:36:51.000 That I had to get surgery.

01:36:54.000 And we was already talking to the USC trying to get surgery done before I took the JDS fight.

01:37:02.000 And so they had me going to the doctors and stuff like that.

01:37:06.000 They really get x-rays and MRIs and stuff done on my knee before the JDS fight.

01:37:12.000 And they knew that everything was messed up.

01:37:16.000 But we also wanted to still get that taste out of our mouth from losing to DC. And it ended up still backfiring fighting JDS. So I ended up doing the surgery after the JDS fight.

01:37:31.000 So after that, then you feel like you're a different person?

01:37:34.000 Yes.

01:37:35.000 After that, then I felt like I could really do more in the octagon and move around and just have my conditioning way better.

01:37:44.000 Going three rounds, it was just a completely different fighter then.

01:37:50.000 So how would you feel now if the UFC says you're going to get a shot at the title?

01:37:55.000 How much time do you think you need to prepare for that?

01:37:58.000 How much time I need to prepare for a title fight?

01:38:01.000 Maybe six months.

01:38:03.000 Six months?

01:38:03.000 No, no, no.

01:38:05.000 But it'll just be 25 minutes.

01:38:08.000 It all depends on who the opponent is.

01:38:10.000 If the opponent is going to be a wrestler, I feel like I'm going to have to get my conditioning pretty good.

01:38:15.000 At least eight weeks.

01:38:17.000 If I'm fighting Francis, I believe like four or five weeks.

01:38:23.000 Four or five weeks for Francis?

01:38:25.000 Yes.

01:38:25.000 Is that a fight that you'd want to do again because of the first fight?

01:38:28.000 Yes, for sure.

01:38:29.000 Got to get that.

01:38:30.000 Got to do that again.

01:38:31.000 If you had that choice?

01:38:32.000 Yes.

01:38:33.000 If you had your choice, that would be the fight that you would get next?

01:38:35.000 Yeah.

01:38:36.000 Maybe, I mean, who knows what's going to happen with him and Stipe.

01:38:40.000 It's just, it's got to be a weird situation for you because Jon Jones is waiting in the wings for a shot of the title and then there's a title fight in two weeks.

01:38:49.000 So at the minimum, you're waiting a few months.

01:38:52.000 Yeah, that's the only thing about it.

01:38:54.000 I don't want to wait.

01:38:55.000 Yeah.

01:38:56.000 So it's like Rosenstreich, Steril gone.

01:38:58.000 Those are the two guys.

01:38:59.000 And I guess it's got to be Steril gone because Rosenstreich lost.

01:39:03.000 He lost the last fight.

01:39:07.000 Yeah, it all depends.

01:39:08.000 I don't know how the UFC want to build up the Sir Gun guy or if they want to throw him in there in the mix right away.

01:39:17.000 So we'll see.

01:39:18.000 Did you watch that fight?

01:39:19.000 It was not the most eventful fight.

01:39:25.000 Yeah, I started getting tagged in the fights only because they were saying that it still wasn't worse than Francis and Louis' fight.

01:39:34.000 I'm like, damn, okay, shit.

01:39:38.000 Yeah, but it was five rounds, right?

01:39:41.000 That was a five-rounder.

01:39:42.000 Oh, that's bad.

01:39:44.000 Yeah, it wasn't the most eventful fight, but Cyril Ghosn fought smart, just moved around a lot, stayed on the outside, clinched some, and just avoided big shots.

01:39:55.000 He's a big dude, though, Cyril Ghosn.

01:39:57.000 Yeah.

01:39:58.000 Big, powerful heavyweight.

01:40:00.000 It's interesting to see at least some new talent in the division, whether it's Rosenstreich or Cyril Ghosn.

01:40:06.000 You know, out of all the divisions, the heavyweight division, it's hard to get big, powerful guys.

01:40:13.000 Natural heavyweight.

01:40:14.000 Yeah.

01:40:18.000 Well, I guess the The couple of heavyweights that was on my card in the last fight, they look pretty decent.

01:40:26.000 Who's that?

01:40:27.000 I don't know their names.

01:40:29.000 I'm terrible at names.

01:40:31.000 They won.

01:40:32.000 One of the guys fought Orlowski.

01:40:35.000 Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:40:37.000 You know his name?

01:40:38.000 Yes, yes, yes.

01:40:38.000 The English fella.

01:40:39.000 He's very good.

01:40:40.000 Yeah, he needs more experience, but Jesus Christ, why can't I remember his name?

01:40:45.000 Don't help him out, Jamie.

01:40:47.000 The guy who just fought Andre Orlowski.

01:40:51.000 Tom Aspinall.

01:40:53.000 Is that how you say his last name?

01:40:55.000 He's very good.

01:40:57.000 Very fast.

01:41:00.000 Isn't that his name?

01:41:02.000 Andre Olovsky's last opponent.

01:41:06.000 What's that?

01:41:07.000 I think it's pronounced Aspinall.

01:41:12.000 He's an English gentleman.

01:41:16.000 Yeah.

01:41:17.000 He's very good.

01:41:18.000 Very fast.

01:41:19.000 He's got a lot of potential.

01:41:21.000 But, you know, he's a young guy, and I think he's like 24 or 25 or something like that, and he's, you know, on his way up.

01:41:28.000 I don't think they'd have him fight you right away like that.

01:41:30.000 No, no.

01:41:31.000 I'm just saying, the future of the heavyweight division is pretty good.

01:41:36.000 Yeah.

01:41:37.000 Do you see yourself being a champ one day?

01:41:39.000 Or is it too crazy to think about?

01:41:40.000 That's what I say.

01:41:41.000 It's crazy to even think about.

01:41:44.000 It'd be cool if I can, you know, but...

01:41:46.000 You know, I wouldn't be bummed that I couldn't, you know, achieve that goal.

01:41:53.000 But if you could achieve that goal.

01:41:54.000 If I could, it'd be cool, yeah.

01:41:56.000 Really couldn't tell me anything by then.

01:41:59.000 Even my kids, I wouldn't care if they'd tease me walking around the house with no shirt on.

01:42:04.000 Just walk around, that belt would cover your belly.

01:42:07.000 Just put that big-ass belt on.

01:42:09.000 Yeah.

01:42:10.000 Yeah, I mean, you have a really interesting opportunity in this life.

01:42:16.000 You're at a rare position.

01:42:18.000 Very few human beings ever get to where you're at.

01:42:21.000 Yeah, go through what I went through to get to where I'm at.

01:42:24.000 Yeah, I know.

01:42:27.000 It's crazy to think about.

01:42:29.000 So crazy.

01:42:30.000 Yeah.

01:42:31.000 No, I can only imagine.

01:42:33.000 And it's fun to watch you, man.

01:42:36.000 You're one of my favorite guys to watch.

01:42:37.000 Because anything can happen at any moment.

01:42:39.000 Yeah, at any given moment.

01:42:40.000 Like the Curtis Blades fight or the Volkov fight or a lot of your fights.

01:42:44.000 At any moment, you could drop a hammer on somebody and it's over.

01:42:49.000 Yeah.

01:42:49.000 The next fight, whoever it's going to be, I believe I'll be in real great shape for the fight.

01:42:56.000 So it's going to be, it all depends on the type of shape I'm in with each fight.

01:43:01.000 And I believe I want to be in better shape than I ever been.

01:43:04.000 And so with me going into a fight like thinking like, okay, I'm in great shape, I can go ahead and go for the finish in the first few minutes.

01:43:14.000 So you're looking at your career right now, it's like this is kind of the home stretch, you know, the last five, six years or so, or whatever you got left.

01:43:21.000 For sure, yeah.

01:43:22.000 So you want to go out with a bang.

01:43:24.000 Out with a bang, yeah.

01:43:26.000 Do you have any idea what you want to do after you're done fighting?

01:43:29.000 A lot of people say I should do acting, comedy and stuff like that.

01:43:35.000 I don't think so.

01:43:36.000 I really just want to just sit back and collect checks and real estate and stuff like that.

01:43:42.000 Something more easier.

01:43:44.000 Yeah, but you're a funny dude.

01:43:46.000 Nah, nah.

01:43:47.000 You don't think so?

01:43:48.000 Nah.

01:43:52.000 You don't think so at all?

01:43:53.000 No.

01:43:54.000 Whenever I'm drunk, yeah, I think I'm hilarious when I'm drunk.

01:43:57.000 Just stay drunk.

01:43:58.000 No.

01:44:03.000 So, real estate investment.

01:44:05.000 Yes.

01:44:05.000 That's a good move.

01:44:06.000 That's what we're doing now.

01:44:08.000 That's a good move.

01:44:08.000 We got a few houses.

01:44:09.000 Well, especially Texas.

01:44:10.000 Texas is hot right now.

01:44:12.000 Yeah.

01:44:12.000 It's a good place to buy houses.

01:44:14.000 Yeah, real cheap.

01:44:14.000 Except for Austin.

01:44:16.000 Austin is probably the...

01:44:17.000 Crazy.

01:44:17.000 Yeah.

01:44:18.000 It's crazy here.

01:44:19.000 Yeah.

01:44:19.000 All the tech people are moving here.

01:44:21.000 They're fucking everything up.

01:44:22.000 And then me.

01:44:22.000 I fucked it up, too.

01:44:24.000 Moving here.

01:44:26.000 I'm bringing it to all the comedians.

01:44:27.000 Yeah.

01:44:28.000 Yeah.

01:44:29.000 I've seen the prices around.

01:44:31.000 We wanted to do something around the lake, like Austin or whatever.

01:44:37.000 But we've seen the prices of it.

01:44:39.000 It's like, damn.

01:44:40.000 Not even an acre.

01:44:41.000 It's over a million dollars.

01:44:43.000 I'm like, nah, that's all right.

01:44:44.000 Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous here.

01:44:46.000 But it's because it's a great place to live.

01:44:48.000 Not downtown, though.

01:44:50.000 Now the homeless people.

01:44:51.000 Yeah, they gotta clean that up.

01:44:53.000 I don't know what to do about that, though.

01:44:54.000 It's like the episode of South Park.

01:44:56.000 Like, got any change?

01:44:58.000 Change?

01:44:58.000 Like, everywhere you go, in the grocery store, they ask for change.

01:45:02.000 I'm like, damn...

01:45:03.000 This is nothing compared to LA. If you go to LA right now, it's like a zombie movie.

01:45:08.000 It's nuts.

01:45:09.000 People have camped out everywhere, all throughout LA. You see tents on the streets.

01:45:14.000 It's very strange.

01:45:15.000 It's sad.

01:45:16.000 Because there's so many people that are out of houses.

01:45:18.000 This is their only option.

01:45:20.000 They don't know what to do.

01:45:22.000 COVID and the pandemic and the lockdowns just killed so many businesses.

01:45:27.000 It's fucked.

01:45:28.000 I mean, I don't know how to fix it, but it's...

01:45:31.000 It's not a good sign when a society is that fucked up that you've got people camping on their sidewalks.

01:45:39.000 I don't want to be in charge of having to handle something like that.

01:45:44.000 I'm pretty sure it's going to be a tough job.

01:45:46.000 Do you think you could run for office?

01:45:49.000 If they pay me good, I would.

01:45:50.000 Would you?

01:45:51.000 Yeah, I'd be like Kanye West.

01:45:54.000 Mayor of Houston?

01:45:55.000 Yeah, I'd be like, okay, take some donations.

01:45:57.000 We need some sponsorships.

01:45:59.000 Go ahead and take everybody money.

01:46:01.000 They'd be like, oh, I don't think we have a shot.

01:46:04.000 So when you think about the future, you just think about investments and things along those lines.

01:46:07.000 You have to, you have to.

01:46:08.000 Because, you know, a lot of people...

01:46:11.000 Doubting me still.

01:46:12.000 A lot of family members really doubting me.

01:46:15.000 Still?

01:46:15.000 Yeah.

01:46:16.000 How can they doubt you still when you have the number one most heavyweight knockouts ever?

01:46:21.000 No, they're not even worrying about the fighting side of things.

01:46:24.000 They talk about the financial side of stuff.

01:46:27.000 Listen, if you can do what you've already done, you can do anything.

01:46:30.000 Yeah.

01:46:31.000 You just have to dedicate yourself to it, 100%.

01:46:33.000 For sure, yeah.

01:46:36.000 So my motivation, you know, that's all it is.

01:46:39.000 Motivating me.

01:46:40.000 Does it motivate you to show people that they're wrong?

01:46:44.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

01:46:46.000 Especially, you know, I can't really say it, but yeah.

01:46:49.000 My close family, my own blood, you know, I don't want to be picking them up because, you know, family reunion coming up.

01:46:57.000 The talk of the family reunion.

01:47:00.000 But yeah.

01:47:01.000 It's hard when there's people that you have to be close to, but yet you know...

01:47:05.000 It hurts, yeah.

01:47:06.000 Yeah, it's a bummer.

01:47:07.000 You know they're jealous and bitter.

01:47:09.000 But that's always going to be the case if someone's successful.

01:47:12.000 Especially if someone's like you that's so much more successful than the average person.

01:47:17.000 And I try helping them out.

01:47:19.000 They burnt their own bridge.

01:47:20.000 They expect for me to send a yacht to help them out.

01:47:25.000 Can't do it no more.

01:47:27.000 Well listen though, if you looked at it, you gotta, you know, it's worth it.

01:47:32.000 All of it's worth it.

01:47:33.000 You know?

01:47:33.000 All the bullshit, all the dealing with the families, just to be Derek Lewis in 2021?

01:47:38.000 Come on.

01:47:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:40.000 If not, I would have been here in Austin, asking everybody if they had some change and stuff like that.

01:47:48.000 Yeah.

01:47:48.000 No, you've got a great life, man.

01:47:50.000 You've done amazing shit, and you've got an amazing future, too.

01:47:53.000 And I'm a fan.

01:47:55.000 I appreciate it.

01:47:56.000 I'm happy to have you in here, man.

01:47:58.000 Cool.

01:48:01.000 Alyssa.

01:48:03.000 My strength and conditioning coach.

01:48:05.000 And she's a huge fan of you.

01:48:07.000 Shout out to Alyssa.

01:48:08.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:48:09.000 That's the lady in the videos?

01:48:10.000 The countdown videos that works you out?

01:48:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:12.000 Okay, I've seen her.

01:48:13.000 She's a huge fan, so she'll appreciate that, yeah.

01:48:15.000 Oh, my pleasure.

01:48:16.000 She looks good, too.

01:48:17.000 She looks like she's a really good coach.

01:48:19.000 Oh, yeah, she's real good.

01:48:20.000 You know, it's shocking because she's a woman.

01:48:23.000 Yeah, no offense to all the women out there.

01:48:25.000 I know council culture is real strong right now, but she's real good.

01:48:30.000 How did you find her?

01:48:33.000 My coach used to train her in jiu-jitsu, and so he told me about going over there, and she's close to my house.

01:48:41.000 Were you hesitant at first, like, a woman?

01:48:43.000 Yeah, a woman, yeah, but she's a different type of woman, so I was like, okay, cool, I'll give her a shot then.

01:48:51.000 It fits you, though.

01:48:52.000 Like, when watching it, I'm like, it's kind of appropriate to see a big, bad motherfucker like you with a woman telling him what to do.

01:48:59.000 Beauty and a beast.

01:49:00.000 Yes.

01:49:02.000 Exactly.

01:49:03.000 Exactly.

01:49:04.000 Well, listen, Derek, good luck with everything you do.

01:49:07.000 I appreciate you, and I'm a big fan.

01:49:09.000 I appreciate it.

01:49:09.000 And thanks for coming in here, man.

01:49:10.000 Thanks for having me, and thanks for not letting me eat bull balls on the show.

01:49:16.000 Thank you, brother.

01:49:17.000 Thanks very much.

01:49:18.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 09, 2011

JRE MMA Show #105 with Derrick Lewis

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