The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #117 with Marlon "Chito" Vera

00:00:00.000 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day there's a few guys in la that are like legit la legends so Legends of tattooing.

00:00:21.000 He's one of the biggest.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, we did one seat and That was painful.

00:00:28.000 That kicked my ass.

00:00:30.000 Is the back more painful than the arms?

00:00:32.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:33.000 Really?

00:00:34.000 The arms are easy.

00:00:35.000 Yeah, the arms are pretty easy.

00:00:37.000 You feel it, but you're not crying on my back.

00:00:41.000 You were crying?

00:00:42.000 Not crying, but about to.

00:00:43.000 There were points that my arms were shaking.

00:00:46.000 Really?

00:00:47.000 Without me moving it.

00:00:49.000 Wow.

00:00:50.000 See, it's weird what parts hurt, because the elbow hurts a lot.

00:00:55.000 Like, the inside of the elbow, that shit hurts a lot.

00:00:58.000 I was like, I thought that was numb.

00:01:00.000 Because, like, you think about how many times you hit things with your elbows, it doesn't hurt at all.

00:01:03.000 I crack head with elbows, but the little ink, it will make you pay.

00:01:09.000 It's crazy.

00:01:10.000 It's weird.

00:01:11.000 Yeah.

00:01:11.000 I have my full leg, a dragon.

00:01:13.000 Yeah.

00:01:13.000 Like, top to bottom of my leg.

00:01:16.000 That's also awful.

00:01:17.000 Really?

00:01:18.000 Leg is awful?

00:01:18.000 Like some parts, like some parts in the tide where the sun don't go.

00:01:23.000 When the sun doesn't go.

00:01:25.000 You know what's funny about my leg tattoo?

00:01:29.000 When this guy was tattooing my inner tie, he was pushing my balls aside so he can ink.

00:01:37.000 Right.

00:01:38.000 And I was like...

00:01:39.000 He's touching your balls.

00:01:41.000 Kind of.

00:01:41.000 He was pushing them away.

00:01:42.000 Well, he's touching them.

00:01:43.000 A little bit, yeah.

00:01:46.000 You know what's the crazy part?

00:01:48.000 When I was there, I was just like...

00:01:50.000 Because normally I get tattooed right after a fight because that's my rest time.

00:01:54.000 And I was just thinking, this is painful.

00:01:57.000 This is awkward.

00:01:58.000 I was just thinking about what's worse, the guy pushing my dick away or the pain right there because it was so painful that I was like...

00:02:07.000 Wow, I'm hurting.

00:02:09.000 Well, the guy pushing your dick away is just weird.

00:02:11.000 No, but...

00:02:11.000 That's not painful, right?

00:02:12.000 It's not painful, but it's very weird.

00:02:15.000 It's painful in a way.

00:02:16.000 It's weird.

00:02:17.000 It feels good.

00:02:18.000 You're like, damn, this is enjoyable.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, you just start going like...

00:02:21.000 You don't want that.

00:02:23.000 That would be a problem.

00:02:24.000 Or maybe you do.

00:02:24.000 Maybe you do.

00:02:25.000 No, it doesn't happen.

00:02:26.000 Not for you, but for some people.

00:02:28.000 Happens.

00:02:29.000 Yeah.

00:02:29.000 But I was like, that, it was painful and awkward.

00:02:33.000 That was hard.

00:02:34.000 It was hard too.

00:02:35.000 I was just like, please finish that part quick.

00:02:38.000 So who did your leg?

00:02:40.000 This guy called Mark Nava.

00:02:42.000 Yeah.

00:02:42.000 He's really good in Japanese style.

00:02:44.000 And he's like a mile from my house.

00:02:47.000 Oh, wow.

00:02:47.000 In Costa Mesa.

00:02:48.000 Well, Costa Mesa, that whole...

00:02:50.000 Los Angeles, that whole Southern California area is amazing for tattoos.

00:02:54.000 Yeah, and I've been lucky most of my tattoos.

00:02:57.000 You know, some people got some tattoos and they just get it because they want tattoos and they're shit.

00:03:02.000 I'm lucky.

00:03:04.000 Everything I got in Ecuador is just clean and it's all what I want.

00:03:09.000 How much of it did you get in Ecuador?

00:03:11.000 I get basically all this arm.

00:03:14.000 Mark Nava did just the snake and the spider in the back.

00:03:19.000 Then the rest is all in Ecuador.

00:03:22.000 All this arm is in Ecuador, besides the hand.

00:03:25.000 This is Sean Tupper, another good guy around in Costa Mesa area.

00:03:29.000 Then my back, Mr. Cartoon.

00:03:31.000 Having a back piece like your back piece, we just filmed it.

00:03:35.000 We just took a video before the podcast, but Mr. Cartoon, that guy is a legend.

00:03:41.000 Of all my tattoos, that's number one.

00:03:45.000 How hard was it to get in with him?

00:03:48.000 Well, every time...

00:03:50.000 He works with Ruka, with the brand.

00:03:53.000 So he comes visit Pat all the time.

00:03:56.000 So every time he comes around, I'm like, come on, dude.

00:04:00.000 Come on, dude.

00:04:01.000 Get me in.

00:04:02.000 And he's like, he's pretty chill, you know.

00:04:04.000 Is he?

00:04:05.000 Yeah, he's pretty cool.

00:04:06.000 And then he's like, okay, talk to my assistant.

00:04:09.000 And I just harass the fuck out of this guy.

00:04:11.000 I'm like, yo, get me in.

00:04:13.000 And basically, he wasn't tattooing during the pandemic.

00:04:16.000 He wasn't doing nothing.

00:04:17.000 Really?

00:04:18.000 And that was his first tattoo bag.

00:04:19.000 Oh, wow.

00:04:20.000 So he's just chilling?

00:04:21.000 He's just chilling.

00:04:23.000 I guess he can chill at this point, right?

00:04:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:25.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

00:04:26.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

00:04:27.000 He don't need to tattoo more people.

00:04:28.000 No.

00:04:29.000 So I'm glad he tattooed me.

00:04:30.000 That's amazing that he did.

00:04:31.000 Yeah, when you get a guy like that, man, God, he's just a legend.

00:04:35.000 He's a legend.

00:04:36.000 And I'm going to keep finishing my back because I got spots in the sides.

00:04:40.000 I'm going to finish with him.

00:04:41.000 Did you do it at his studio?

00:04:43.000 Yeah, in Santa Monica.

00:04:44.000 Does he have pictures on his walls of all the people that he's tattooed?

00:04:47.000 Dude, when I was there, I was tripping.

00:04:49.000 There's like Eminem in one side.

00:04:51.000 There's all the art they have.

00:04:53.000 They have like a barber shop that he owns, like literally next door.

00:04:58.000 And the seats are like from the 80s, like original, painted by him.

00:05:02.000 I was like, wow, this guy's tattooing me.

00:05:05.000 So when I get to the shop, he's like, you want to smoke?

00:05:07.000 I'm like, fuck yeah.

00:05:09.000 He give me a joint of this.

00:05:10.000 I don't know why he's smoking.

00:05:12.000 And I was like, bro, this is strong.

00:05:13.000 It's pure gasoline, brother.

00:05:17.000 When he started tattooing me, I was just like...

00:05:19.000 I was way too high.

00:05:21.000 I was way too high.

00:05:22.000 It's sensitive when you're high, right?

00:05:23.000 Do you feel it more?

00:05:24.000 Oh, I was...

00:05:25.000 That's why I was freaking out.

00:05:26.000 Yeah.

00:05:27.000 When I'm...

00:05:28.000 Drinking, though?

00:05:29.000 Drinking, you know, barely feels shit.

00:05:30.000 I never drink during tattoo.

00:05:32.000 Really?

00:05:32.000 Ever.

00:05:33.000 I have.

00:05:34.000 I might start doing that now.

00:05:35.000 Yeah, it's a good move.

00:05:36.000 It dulls the pain quite a bit.

00:05:38.000 I definitely smoke all the time I get a tattoo.

00:05:41.000 I think that would hurt.

00:05:42.000 Oh, it hurt.

00:05:43.000 More.

00:05:43.000 Yeah.

00:05:44.000 Because you're super sensitive when you're high.

00:05:46.000 You're sensitive and then you feel your heart going up.

00:05:49.000 Yeah.

00:05:50.000 The pain hurts.

00:05:51.000 Because sometimes when I'm sober, my heart goes high because your body's going through some shit.

00:05:56.000 Yeah, man.

00:05:57.000 Your body's also like, hey, bitch, run away from this pain.

00:06:00.000 Why are you sitting still?

00:06:03.000 When I get my neck done, that was when I was like, I need to get the fuck out of here.

00:06:07.000 How is the neck the most painful?

00:06:09.000 The throat is pretty fucked up.

00:06:11.000 Every time you swallow, good luck.

00:06:13.000 Yeah.

00:06:13.000 Right, and they're getting in there.

00:06:15.000 And then my head was falling from the fucking table.

00:06:20.000 Oh, because you have to lean back, right?

00:06:22.000 Oh my goodness.

00:06:23.000 Yeah, so I was like, I won't do my neck anymore.

00:06:25.000 Thank God it's done.

00:06:26.000 Neck pain is weird pain.

00:06:28.000 Because your body's like, this is a bad place to have pain.

00:06:31.000 Like, you shouldn't have any pain around here.

00:06:34.000 This is vulnerable as fuck.

00:06:35.000 I know.

00:06:36.000 I know.

00:06:37.000 Sean Shelby, when he saw my first tattoo, You fucking idiot!

00:06:41.000 Sean Shelby said that?

00:06:42.000 Yeah.

00:06:43.000 He's like, you won't be able to get a job.

00:06:44.000 I'm like, I don't need a job.

00:06:46.000 You won't be able to get a job.

00:06:47.000 I was like, you give me a job.

00:06:49.000 He was motivating me to don't be an idiot.

00:06:51.000 I was like, hey, I'm going to be in the UFC for a long time.

00:06:54.000 That's such a silly thing to say.

00:06:56.000 Sean Shelby, you silly goose.

00:06:58.000 We were laughing about it after the Frankie fight.

00:07:00.000 He told me like, hey, You're good.

00:07:03.000 I'm like, I told you!

00:07:04.000 I'm a idiot, but I told you!

00:07:06.000 That's so silly.

00:07:07.000 He was laughing about it.

00:07:09.000 He's a funny guy.

00:07:10.000 But, you know, that job makes people...

00:07:13.000 It's not easy.

00:07:14.000 No.

00:07:15.000 You lose your fucking head.

00:07:16.000 Yeah.

00:07:17.000 Think about how many fights fell off and you gotta figure it out yourself.

00:07:20.000 There's 500 fighters on the roster that are emailing him every day trying to get a fight, and then you have to deal with crazy managers.

00:07:26.000 Some managers are crazy.

00:07:28.000 Yeah.

00:07:28.000 Some managers are great, but some managers are out of their fucking mind.

00:07:31.000 That's why I respect him.

00:07:33.000 I don't hate him because people say, fuck the guy, he don't want to help me.

00:07:36.000 I'm like, bro, there's like 10 idiots just like you saying the same thing about him.

00:07:41.000 Mick Maynard is cool as fuck, though.

00:07:42.000 He never loses his shit.

00:07:44.000 He's newer, too.

00:07:45.000 Is that what it is?

00:07:46.000 But he's been around a long time.

00:07:47.000 You say newer, but many years.

00:07:49.000 But outside in the UFC. Yeah.

00:07:50.000 Like the UFC probably is a different animal of pressure.

00:07:53.000 Yeah, but even in the UFC, Mick's been around for many years now.

00:07:58.000 It's been quite a few years.

00:07:59.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:08:00.000 But Sean has been since the early days.

00:08:02.000 Yeah.

00:08:03.000 Well, Joe Silva was losing his mind before he quit.

00:08:05.000 He had to quit.

00:08:06.000 As much as that guy loves the sport, he's like, I can't do it anymore.

00:08:09.000 I can't fucking do it anymore.

00:08:10.000 Yeah, he was losing his mind.

00:08:12.000 That's definitely make you lose your head.

00:08:14.000 I like when people quit, though.

00:08:16.000 I like when people sail off in the sunset.

00:08:18.000 See ya!

00:08:19.000 I got enough money.

00:08:20.000 Ta-ta for now.

00:08:24.000 It's just nice.

00:08:25.000 I mean, he got paid out when the UFC got sold to Endeavor.

00:08:29.000 Good for him.

00:08:29.000 It's like, bye-bye.

00:08:31.000 It's like, fuck off, you maniacs.

00:08:32.000 Good for him.

00:08:33.000 Who want to be around that, anyway?

00:08:35.000 I ran into him once since then, and he was so happy.

00:08:38.000 He looked lighter.

00:08:39.000 Like, the weight of the world was off his shoulders.

00:08:42.000 Basically, the whole fucking thing is in your shoulders.

00:08:45.000 A fire is pulled off, you got a dent in your head.

00:08:47.000 Who's going to fight?

00:08:48.000 Find a replacement.

00:08:49.000 Well, you know what's crazy is when they have guys do a full camp and a weight cut as an alternate.

00:08:57.000 Just in case.

00:08:58.000 Yeah.

00:08:59.000 I find that crazy.

00:09:00.000 They do that with the many bands.

00:09:01.000 I know.

00:09:02.000 That's wild.

00:09:03.000 When I fought in New York, Luke did that for Usman and Kobe.

00:09:07.000 Really?

00:09:07.000 Yeah, but he missed weight.

00:09:09.000 Oh, that's right.

00:09:09.000 He did.

00:09:10.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:09:11.000 He did miss weight.

00:09:12.000 Yeah, but it's hard on the body, man.

00:09:15.000 The weight cut is so bad on the body already.

00:09:17.000 Weight cuts are like taking punch to the jaw.

00:09:19.000 Yeah.

00:09:20.000 You have so many of those.

00:09:21.000 Right.

00:09:21.000 If you don't do it right, you're fucked.

00:09:23.000 Even if you do it right.

00:09:24.000 Like look Colby Covington planned for seven months for this fight.

00:09:28.000 I mean, you know, it's hard You can't take it away from Kai Cara France because you landed a perfect punch and oh, Cody Garvin.

00:09:34.000 Yeah Yeah, what did I say?

00:09:35.000 Colby Covington.

00:09:36.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:09:36.000 Cody Garbrandt.

00:09:38.000 It's early.

00:09:39.000 I haven't had any coffee yet.

00:09:40.000 Let me have some coffee.

00:09:40.000 Did I say Colby Covington?

00:09:43.000 God damn.

00:09:44.000 It's weird when you have like a thought in your head.

00:09:46.000 I'm probably too sharp because I took mushrooms early.

00:09:48.000 You took what?

00:09:49.000 Mushrooms early?

00:09:50.000 Maybe I'm like feeling off of you.

00:09:54.000 I'm confused by your energy.

00:09:56.000 Your spiritual energy.

00:09:57.000 I'm late 20 early morning so I'm pretty.

00:09:59.000 Cody Garbrandt.

00:10:00.000 So Cody Garbrandt dropping down to 125 pounds.

00:10:03.000 You want some of that?

00:10:04.000 Please sir.

00:10:05.000 Thank you.

00:10:06.000 Yeah, and then I was listening to you guys when you guys were talking about it.

00:10:10.000 He did a great blah, blah, blah.

00:10:12.000 But it's also energy.

00:10:14.000 He's been getting KO many times in a row.

00:10:19.000 His mind probably knows, oh, if I get touched, I'm going to go down.

00:10:23.000 Maybe.

00:10:24.000 He don't saw it coming.

00:10:25.000 Kyle Grafman is a great fighter, so good for him.

00:10:27.000 He knocked him out.

00:10:29.000 But when you've been finished many times, also your mind accepted.

00:10:32.000 It's like, nah, I've been here before.

00:10:34.000 Boop, let's turn it off.

00:10:35.000 Yeah, Chuck Liddell told me that later in his career, his mind was recognized and he was about to take punishment and his brain would just shut off easier.

00:10:45.000 It's like your brain knows that you've been knocked out too many times.

00:10:48.000 Yeah, and then your body knows.

00:10:50.000 That's why fighters like that, they should walk away.

00:10:52.000 Yes.

00:10:53.000 You can't take a shot.

00:10:54.000 I'm not about to tell you what you should do, but you probably most likely have to do it.

00:10:58.000 Well, it's a young man's game, and then there's a few crafty veterans that can hang around into their 40s.

00:11:07.000 My boy Glover Tixater.

00:11:09.000 Yeah, Glover is the shining example of that.

00:11:12.000 Because he seems so fresh.

00:11:14.000 He's amazing.

00:11:15.000 And he's had some rough knockouts, man.

00:11:17.000 Think about the Rumble knockout.

00:11:19.000 Anthony Johnson pulled his teeth right to the stars.

00:11:21.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:11:21.000 Yeah, I mean, that uppercut was spectacular.

00:11:24.000 And then, you know, Gustafsson.

00:11:26.000 Gustafsson put it on him, man.

00:11:28.000 Same uppercut.

00:11:28.000 My God.

00:11:29.000 And with Gustafsson, that was his best performance of his career.

00:11:32.000 I mean, Gustafsson was on fire in that fight.

00:11:34.000 He looked sharp.

00:11:35.000 Oh, my God.

00:11:36.000 He looked so good.

00:11:37.000 But then Jon Jones came.

00:11:39.000 Meh.

00:11:39.000 Yeah, well, there's levels, man.

00:11:42.000 There's levels.

00:11:43.000 This he couldn't say better.

00:11:45.000 When he brought there's levels to this, it's true.

00:11:48.000 There's levels.

00:11:49.000 You have to stay ahead.

00:11:51.000 You have to work the whole time.

00:11:53.000 Most people...

00:11:55.000 Only pushes when they have a contract, when they hear like, hey, you might be fighting this day.

00:12:00.000 This is not this sport.

00:12:02.000 I don't even call it.

00:12:03.000 I don't think this is a sport.

00:12:04.000 This is fighting.

00:12:05.000 It's fighting.

00:12:06.000 So you better be trained the whole time and just ready to go.

00:12:10.000 And when you're not in camp, you have to be improved.

00:12:13.000 A hundred percent.

00:12:14.000 Yeah, you have to be working on things.

00:12:15.000 And there's some people that don't do that.

00:12:17.000 And, you know, the camps are hard.

00:12:19.000 And some people, when they get out of camp, they just want to get fat and relax.

00:12:23.000 Not on me.

00:12:24.000 No.

00:12:24.000 Like Kobe Bryant said, the mama mentality, I call it the immigrant mentality.

00:12:29.000 Yeah, immigrant mentality.

00:12:31.000 All fucking day, seven days a week.

00:12:33.000 Yeah, I love that you quote Joey Diaz like that.

00:12:37.000 I love that guy.

00:12:39.000 Everybody loves Joey Diaz.

00:12:40.000 I love when he tells the Monday video.

00:12:43.000 Yeah.

00:12:43.000 It fucking gets me hard.

00:12:44.000 He just did a new one on Juliana Pena.

00:12:46.000 Did you see that one?

00:12:47.000 No, I don't see that one.

00:12:48.000 Oh, pull it up.

00:12:48.000 Pull it up.

00:12:49.000 It's on his Instagram.

00:12:49.000 It's fucking beautiful.

00:12:51.000 He was talking about how amazing Juliana Pena...

00:12:53.000 He's a motherfucker.

00:12:55.000 He was coughing and shit.

00:12:56.000 He's like, you motherfuckers!

00:12:58.000 It's fucking Monday.

00:12:59.000 If you're coming happy about your weekend, fuck off!

00:13:02.000 Yeah, he gets fired up.

00:13:04.000 That's a guy, that's a mentality you should fucking follow.

00:13:06.000 If not, you fuck.

00:13:07.000 He's the most unusual person I've ever met.

00:13:10.000 But what we were just talking about before that.

00:13:13.000 About staying ready ever.

00:13:14.000 Yeah, staying...

00:13:15.000 There's no season.

00:13:17.000 And there's also these moments where you get called.

00:13:20.000 Like, for example, this is not MMA, but it's boxing.

00:13:24.000 This Jake Paul-Tyron Woodley rematch, which is this weekend.

00:13:28.000 Tyron just got the call.

00:13:29.000 I think it was like 15, 16 days out, something like that.

00:13:33.000 And there's not that many days.

00:13:34.000 Almost guaranteed he wasn't ready.

00:13:36.000 Phew.

00:13:37.000 I mean, I can't imagine that he was training in a full camp.

00:13:40.000 Like, when I'm not in camp, I'm Monday through Friday in the gym.

00:13:45.000 In the weekends, I'm going long distance.

00:13:47.000 I'm going 13, 15 miles.

00:13:48.000 Yeah.

00:13:49.000 And then, out of camp is when I ask that you need to coach, like, hey, I've been having issues here.

00:13:55.000 Or the wrestling coach, how to defend this.

00:13:58.000 When you're in camp, there's not many times to get better.

00:14:00.000 Right.

00:14:01.000 You just get your mind set.

00:14:03.000 You listen to your head coach.

00:14:04.000 Your body should be fit by then.

00:14:07.000 But out of gum is when you're adding tools, when you're getting new guns, new bullets.

00:14:12.000 Did you ever see when BJ Penn was training with Marv Marinovich?

00:14:16.000 Yeah.

00:14:17.000 He told me a lot about it, and Parillo told me too.

00:14:23.000 What I heard about it, it was all about...

00:14:26.000 Cardio.

00:14:27.000 Three or four seconds.

00:14:29.000 But that's why he had a great first round.

00:14:31.000 Yeah.

00:14:32.000 And then he slow down.

00:14:34.000 Well, no, not necessarily.

00:14:35.000 That was when he beat Sean Shirk.

00:14:37.000 That was when he beat...

00:14:38.000 Who else would he fight?

00:14:40.000 Diego Sanchez with the head kick.

00:14:42.000 Diego Sanchez, that's right.

00:14:43.000 Those fights were when he was supremely conditioned.

00:14:47.000 But the point was, their idea was, you already know how to fight.

00:14:51.000 Yes.

00:14:51.000 The camp is not for fighting.

00:14:53.000 The camp is for physical preparation.

00:14:55.000 So to get yourself in peak condition, that was what they thought.

00:14:59.000 I can talk because I'm in that camp.

00:15:01.000 I'm with Parillo.

00:15:02.000 So they were focusing a lot on explosion.

00:15:07.000 But then what about the long distance?

00:15:09.000 That's what Parillo says.

00:15:10.000 It's not about a sprint.

00:15:13.000 It's not about intervals.

00:15:15.000 It's not about long distance.

00:15:16.000 It's about the three of them.

00:15:18.000 And that's one thing I add from him because he liked me to sprint.

00:15:23.000 He likes to sprint.

00:15:24.000 Me, personally, my favorite thing is go over 50 miles.

00:15:27.000 Just run almost three hours.

00:15:29.000 Like, just go.

00:15:30.000 Why do you like doing that?

00:15:31.000 Because my mind gets so sharp, I'm thinking, I'm visualizing, I'm thinking, I'm seeing the future.

00:15:37.000 I'm like, I basically am thinking on what I want, how I want to get it done.

00:15:41.000 But then also, you got to be able to keep yourself active for that long.

00:15:47.000 Because when you do intervals, like last night, I did a sprint, like fast, like 12 miles per hour, two minutes.

00:15:56.000 I did like six rounds like that.

00:15:58.000 It's hard as fuck.

00:15:59.000 Your heart is going to get off your chest, but you know it's two minutes.

00:16:02.000 You know it's going to end.

00:16:03.000 So it's almost like you teach yourself to stop here.

00:16:06.000 When I do my long distance, there's no, it's almost done.

00:16:11.000 Because when I go six, seven miles to the left, I know I got to come back.

00:16:16.000 Right, right, right.

00:16:17.000 So I like everything.

00:16:19.000 All of them work because one, it helped me being explosive, helped me being fast, but the other one, In the championship rounds, it's going to show.

00:16:29.000 And you don't get this overnight.

00:16:31.000 I don't start running and get to 13 miles in a week.

00:16:35.000 It took me months to get there.

00:16:37.000 Now, I do 13, 15, whenever I want.

00:16:40.000 But also, I don't stop using it.

00:16:43.000 Barilo always said, you don't use it, you lose it.

00:16:46.000 So you got to come back to the basics.

00:16:48.000 You got to keep doing it.

00:16:48.000 That's why I say it's not seasonal.

00:16:50.000 It's never ending.

00:16:51.000 When you're in camp, do you run long distances?

00:16:54.000 They stop me to do it.

00:16:55.000 Yeah?

00:16:56.000 Because they're like, hey, okay, four weeks out, forget about it.

00:17:00.000 Now we have to be fast and explosive, which I listen to my team.

00:17:04.000 That's why I'm winning.

00:17:05.000 And you already have the cardio base.

00:17:06.000 I already have it.

00:17:07.000 The low base has been done the whole year.

00:17:10.000 On camp, I just focus on be quick and be sharp and be ready to go.

00:17:15.000 When you started in Ecuador, what kind of facilities were available?

00:17:20.000 Nothing.

00:17:20.000 Nothing?

00:17:21.000 I was training on living rooms with mats.

00:17:24.000 Let's say you move this table, you put mats, and we go jab, cross, hook, back and forth.

00:17:29.000 Really?

00:17:30.000 There was nothing.

00:17:31.000 What motivated you to get into it?

00:17:33.000 This is the crazy thing.

00:17:35.000 This goes back to when I'm a four-year-old kid in Ecuador, in this town called Chona.

00:17:39.000 I was fighting on the street, the homeless kids, that they clean shoes for money or they sell, like, chiclets or cigarettes.

00:17:46.000 My brother used to call these kids, give them a couple bucks, to fight me.

00:17:50.000 For fun.

00:17:51.000 Like the fucking circus.

00:17:53.000 And I love it.

00:17:55.000 This is when you were four?

00:17:57.000 I was a kid, five, four, yes.

00:17:59.000 They used to make me fight, just for fun.

00:18:01.000 Wow.

00:18:02.000 And they would laugh about it.

00:18:03.000 And if I lose, they get mad.

00:18:06.000 But I used to ask for it.

00:18:07.000 I'm like, bro, I want to fight today.

00:18:09.000 That was like, instead of go play soccer, that was for me.

00:18:13.000 And it was fight MMA? No, it was a street fight.

00:18:17.000 Right, just crap.

00:18:19.000 But no rules, no gloves?

00:18:21.000 Of course, don't bite, don't do crazy shit.

00:18:23.000 Did you guys discuss this beforehand?

00:18:25.000 No, we just fight.

00:18:27.000 Punches.

00:18:27.000 Well, I guess we were gentlemen.

00:18:31.000 They used to make me fight.

00:18:34.000 So, they would be like, okay, we found this kid, fight him.

00:18:37.000 I was like, right now?

00:18:38.000 Yeah, don't be a fucking pussy.

00:18:40.000 I was like, okay, whatever.

00:18:42.000 Wow.

00:18:42.000 But that was just for fun.

00:18:44.000 But then when I started growing up, I wasn't an aggressive person, but I'd always be looking for a fight.

00:18:50.000 I don't know what was there.

00:18:51.000 Maybe it was Chuck Norris.

00:18:53.000 Chuck Norris got you into it?

00:18:54.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:55.000 You remember Walker Ranger of Texas?

00:18:57.000 Yes.

00:18:57.000 That was my shit.

00:18:58.000 Cowboy boots, hats.

00:19:00.000 And I would want to fight every bad person.

00:19:02.000 Did you wear cowboy boots and the hat?

00:19:04.000 Oh, growing up.

00:19:06.000 I was a cowboy.

00:19:07.000 My dad has a farm since I remember.

00:19:09.000 Oh, yeah?

00:19:10.000 Cows, everything.

00:19:12.000 Oh, wow.

00:19:13.000 So, it's just the environment I grew up in.

00:19:15.000 It was weird.

00:19:15.000 It was all like man shit, wake up at three in the morning, pick up the cows.

00:19:21.000 And I don't have to do that.

00:19:23.000 I was doing it for fun.

00:19:24.000 Like, the employee would pick me up at three in the morning.

00:19:26.000 Hey, Chito.

00:19:27.000 And I just jump on his horse.

00:19:29.000 He took me.

00:19:30.000 My dad wake up with a cup of coffee and I was like, hmm.

00:19:34.000 It was working, but in my mind I was just having fun.

00:19:36.000 Oh, okay.

00:19:37.000 So you enjoyed it?

00:19:38.000 Oh, I love it.

00:19:39.000 If I retire right now, I can go back to Ecuador and just work for my dad in the farm.

00:19:44.000 Be life the rest of my life.

00:19:45.000 That's what you do?

00:19:46.000 Do you think that's what you'll do when you retire?

00:19:48.000 I don't know.

00:19:49.000 I got three kids.

00:19:50.000 They basically are Americans.

00:19:52.000 Americans are from here.

00:19:53.000 Yeah.

00:19:54.000 I don't think there's a way back for me because by the time they're 15, I can be like, yo, daddy want to be happy network.

00:20:01.000 Fuck off.

00:20:02.000 We're from California, dude.

00:20:04.000 Yeah, right.

00:20:05.000 It's going to be hard to bring them back.

00:20:06.000 Unless California goes crazy.

00:20:08.000 Unless California keeps getting...

00:20:10.000 Unless what's happening in Los Angeles makes its way to where you are.

00:20:12.000 Them I'm fucked.

00:20:14.000 Them I'm out of there.

00:20:15.000 Them I've come here to Texas.

00:20:17.000 Yeah, a lot of people are doing that.

00:20:19.000 And I can wear my cowboy hat here.

00:20:20.000 Oh, you blend right in.

00:20:22.000 I bought yesterday a pair of boots.

00:20:25.000 Oh, yeah?

00:20:25.000 Where'd you go?

00:20:26.000 Allen boots.

00:20:26.000 Oh, Allen boots.

00:20:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:28.000 On Congress, right?

00:20:29.000 Yeah.

00:20:29.000 When I saw it, I was like, holy fuck, these things are beautiful.

00:20:31.000 Oh, that's a great place.

00:20:33.000 But now, you know, I live in Cali.

00:20:35.000 I live like a little hipster.

00:20:37.000 Cut pants.

00:20:38.000 Colorful shit.

00:20:38.000 Yeah, you look like a hippie, man.

00:20:39.000 I know.

00:20:40.000 Look at you.

00:20:40.000 You get tie-dye on and everything.

00:20:41.000 All the time.

00:20:43.000 But...

00:20:45.000 That's where I come from.

00:20:47.000 I don't forget that.

00:20:48.000 I steal my soul.

00:20:48.000 Like, if I see a horse, I get happy.

00:20:50.000 I want to ride it.

00:20:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:52.000 Now, when you were little, and your brothers have you fight, and you were fighting these homeless people, did you have any kind of training?

00:21:01.000 Zero.

00:21:02.000 Zero?

00:21:02.000 Zero.

00:21:02.000 So, they were like...

00:21:05.000 Just for fun, tough people.

00:21:06.000 Like, hey kid, come on, fight.

00:21:08.000 There was not like a bad blood or bad enemy.

00:21:10.000 It was just like, hey, just crap.

00:21:11.000 For fun.

00:21:12.000 For fun.

00:21:12.000 Or they would put boxing gloves that sometimes were like a sock with a bunch of socks inside.

00:21:17.000 That was a boxing glove.

00:21:19.000 Oh my God.

00:21:20.000 And my brother used to be like, come on, let me teach you.

00:21:22.000 And that sock move.

00:21:23.000 You get punched with the fist, right?

00:21:25.000 Both black guys.

00:21:26.000 My mom came home.

00:21:27.000 What happened?

00:21:28.000 Oh, my brother beat the fuck out of me.

00:21:30.000 He was teaching me boxing.

00:21:31.000 He don't know shit.

00:21:32.000 He was just telling me, like, hey, come on, punch it with me.

00:21:34.000 And then the socks would move.

00:21:36.000 And he would just get straight knuckles.

00:21:38.000 Straight knuckles in my face.

00:21:40.000 But then by the time I was, like, seven or eight, there was a karate school right in front of my house.

00:21:46.000 I would beg my mom, please, please, please.

00:21:49.000 Like, literally, you can walk there.

00:21:51.000 And she was like, no, I don't like fighting, blah, blah.

00:21:53.000 You know, typical mom.

00:21:55.000 One day she agreed.

00:21:56.000 Okay, let's go.

00:21:57.000 They pay for the month.

00:21:58.000 I get my kimono.

00:22:00.000 They show me, like, jab cross, spinning wheel kick.

00:22:03.000 The next day in the school, I told my friend.

00:22:05.000 It wasn't even a fight.

00:22:06.000 You say, hey, stand there.

00:22:07.000 Let me show you what I learned.

00:22:09.000 One, two, spinning wheel kick to the stomach.

00:22:11.000 The kid was crying.

00:22:12.000 Karate was gone.

00:22:14.000 Karate was fucking gone.

00:22:15.000 I fucking told you.

00:22:17.000 You punch your friend.

00:22:18.000 I'm like...

00:22:19.000 I didn't do it because I'm a bad kid.

00:22:21.000 I want to show them what I learned.

00:22:23.000 But I kicked him like he was a boxing bag.

00:22:25.000 I just went full blast.

00:22:26.000 Jab crosses, spin to the stomach.

00:22:27.000 That kid was crying.

00:22:28.000 And then my mom was like, that's a wrap.

00:22:31.000 No more.

00:22:32.000 So they never let me train.

00:22:34.000 I would beg them for training.

00:22:35.000 So when did you first start formally training?

00:22:39.000 When I was 16 years old, my neighbor told me, like, yo, there's this Jiu Jitsu gym.

00:22:44.000 It's really good.

00:22:45.000 I know you like fighting.

00:22:46.000 I know you're fighting all the time.

00:22:49.000 You should come.

00:22:49.000 that will probably calm you down.

00:22:52.000 I went with him one day, I paid for the full month, like right away, no, no, no try class, no nothing, since that that day until today, yo, I haven't stopped training. - Wow. - But my family, I get it why they never support me at the beginning.

00:23:10.000 They were like, nah, they thought I was a boy in college.

00:23:13.000 I was just different.

00:23:14.000 You know, my sister and my brother, they graduate from high school, straight to college.

00:23:19.000 Both have the degree, normal people, smart people.

00:23:23.000 I wasn't the case.

00:23:24.000 I was getting in trouble all the time.

00:23:27.000 You know, cops, school, everywhere I go, there was an issue.

00:23:32.000 My group of friends were fucking maniacs.

00:23:34.000 Not that it didn't help either.

00:23:35.000 So when I started fighting and I was like, okay, no more crazy life, no more bullshit.

00:23:40.000 I want to fight.

00:23:42.000 They were like, oh, no.

00:23:44.000 No, if you get better at this, you're going to hurt people.

00:23:46.000 You're a dumbass.

00:23:47.000 They wouldn't want this for you.

00:23:49.000 And I was like, no, if I start doing this, it's because I really want it.

00:23:52.000 They didn't believe it.

00:23:53.000 But it's because all the bad things I already did come until this point.

00:23:57.000 By the moment I started training, everything around my life stopped.

00:24:01.000 Like, no more party, no more outside life, no more skateboarding, no more surfing.

00:24:07.000 I left everything.

00:24:08.000 And I focused on jiu-jitsu to become a fighter.

00:24:12.000 And since that day I touched that gym, never stopped coming.

00:24:16.000 And this was this place in Ecuador.

00:24:18.000 Who was running it?

00:24:20.000 My first Jiu Jitsu coach is Fernando Soluso.

00:24:23.000 These guys came from Fabio Gurguel in Brazil.

00:24:25.000 So he came from...

00:24:27.000 This guy is legit.

00:24:28.000 He came from the times when Marcelo Garcia, Galbao, all those guys were competing.

00:24:34.000 He came from the same age.

00:24:38.000 So he came from a good group.

00:24:39.000 He's really close to Damien.

00:24:41.000 Like very close.

00:24:42.000 Oh wow.

00:24:42.000 So he came to Ecuador to decide to open a school and he put Jiu Jitsu on the mat because he came from Brazil.

00:24:51.000 If he would have never came...

00:24:52.000 Why did he decide to go to Ecuador?

00:24:54.000 I have no idea.

00:24:55.000 He just came one day and never left.

00:24:57.000 Wow.

00:24:58.000 And until this day, he's still teaching.

00:25:00.000 And he was fighting too.

00:25:02.000 He was fighting to show people, like, look, I'm not that good in the striking, but with my jiu-jitsu, I can win fights.

00:25:09.000 And for me, I was like, easy road.

00:25:11.000 I want to come and do this.

00:25:13.000 But before he gets to know who I am, I came to the gym.

00:25:15.000 I was like, hey, man, my name is Chito.

00:25:18.000 I want to be a UFC fighter.

00:25:19.000 He's like, fuck off, kid.

00:25:21.000 It's like, what do you train?

00:25:22.000 Are you a boxer?

00:25:23.000 Are you a kickboxer?

00:25:24.000 No, I'm nothing.

00:25:25.000 But I want to be a UFC fighter.

00:25:26.000 So I came saying that to everybody.

00:25:29.000 I want to be a UFC fighter.

00:25:30.000 And people used to laugh about it.

00:25:32.000 It's like, dude, you're nothing.

00:25:33.000 You never trained in your life.

00:25:35.000 It doesn't matter.

00:25:36.000 I want to be a UFC fighter.

00:25:38.000 And the first day I showed up to school, That was it.

00:25:44.000 And then the year later, I graduated from high school.

00:25:46.000 I was coming twice a day.

00:25:48.000 Every day.

00:25:49.000 It's almost like at the beginning, we're like, fuck off, kid.

00:25:51.000 We don't want you here.

00:25:51.000 You're like annoying.

00:25:53.000 I never stopped coming.

00:25:55.000 Until this day.

00:25:56.000 I never stopped.

00:25:57.000 That's amazing.

00:25:58.000 Well, you had a vision.

00:25:59.000 I just saw the UFC. I saw Pride FC. I saw Strikeforce, and I was like, wait a minute.

00:26:05.000 I don't need to go to college.

00:26:07.000 That's it.

00:26:08.000 Do you remember the first event that you saw?

00:26:11.000 Yes, it was GSP. I watch a lot of old ones, but live, it was GSP Koczek, if I'm not wrong, the first one.

00:26:19.000 GSP Josh Koczek?

00:26:21.000 Yeah, and I told myself, I want to be like that guy.

00:26:23.000 That was a rough one, because Koczek got that broken orbital, and his eyes swole up.

00:26:27.000 I think that was the second one.

00:26:29.000 Was it?

00:26:29.000 Yeah, I'm a nerd.

00:26:31.000 Jamie, tell us.

00:26:33.000 GSP and Koczek fought twice.

00:26:35.000 Yeah, one was the ultimate fighter, and the other one was a regular one, if I'm not wrong.

00:26:40.000 The regular one is not the one you saw?

00:26:42.000 You saw the Ultimate Fighter one?

00:26:44.000 Which one did you see?

00:26:45.000 If I'm not wrong, the orbital with the front Superman was the second one.

00:26:51.000 Yes, it was the second one.

00:26:53.000 Yeah, I watched the first one.

00:26:54.000 Oh, okay.

00:26:54.000 That's the one that get me like, oh, wow, look at the guy.

00:26:57.000 I want to be like that when I grew up.

00:26:59.000 And also, I started shaving my head.

00:27:02.000 I shaved my head the first 10 years.

00:27:04.000 Even my UFC debut, I had a full-on shave head just like that.

00:27:07.000 I can't remember Josh Koscheck's first fight with GSP. It was UFC 74. You got an image of it?

00:27:16.000 No, I was trying to find the images.

00:27:17.000 I just have...

00:27:17.000 God, I don't remember that fight.

00:27:19.000 I'm trying to remember that fight.

00:27:20.000 Yeah, Ultimate Fighter finale.

00:27:23.000 What happened?

00:27:25.000 Decision.

00:27:25.000 Decision?

00:27:26.000 Both of them decision, right?

00:27:27.000 Yeah, it was a decision, yeah.

00:27:28.000 The second one was a rough one.

00:27:30.000 That was the one where Koscheck...

00:27:31.000 It was fucked up because he couldn't even fly.

00:27:33.000 He had to get his eye operated on, and I believe they drove.

00:27:38.000 Superman, Superman.

00:27:39.000 I think that was Montreal, right?

00:27:41.000 Or was it Toronto?

00:27:42.000 Should be, because the first one was a small one.

00:27:44.000 It was either Montreal or Toronto.

00:27:46.000 But he had to drive.

00:27:47.000 I remember it was Canada.

00:27:49.000 It might have been...

00:27:50.000 Was that the one where he fought in front of 60,000 people at the Rogers Center?

00:27:54.000 It was huge.

00:27:55.000 One of those.

00:27:56.000 That one was crazy.

00:27:58.000 And being a kid from Ecuador, I told myself, I want to be that.

00:28:02.000 And half the entire fucking nation just screaming for myself.

00:28:07.000 He inspired me in a good way.

00:28:10.000 Like, I was like, I want to be that.

00:28:12.000 Yeah.

00:28:13.000 Like, almost, like, teach me how to win fights, just be watching him over.

00:28:16.000 And I was like, fuck, I want to be like this guy.

00:28:18.000 But then I would, like, watch WEC, Pride FC. Like, I was just so much of a big fan of the sport that helped me become a pro fighter easily.

00:28:30.000 So you were in Ecuador, you were training jiu-jitsu.

00:28:33.000 When did you have your first fight?

00:28:35.000 Literally a year after the first day I stepped in the gym, I was a bluebell, I was training a little bit of kickboxing, and this guy came like, hey, somebody get hurt, you want to fight?

00:28:45.000 And I was like, okay, who's this other guy?

00:28:48.000 He's like, ah, he's a kid like you, he practices kickboxing, you're a kid, you do jiu-jitsu, it's going to be fun.

00:28:54.000 I fly to Quito, the capital, with one of my friends.

00:28:59.000 I have to make my mom sign a contract because, of course, I was underage.

00:29:03.000 I told my mom it was a Jiu-Jitsu tournament.

00:29:06.000 Lady didn't read.

00:29:07.000 She signed it.

00:29:08.000 I flew to Quito.

00:29:11.000 And then I was like, what the fuck I'm doing here?

00:29:13.000 It was a mechanic, a car mechanic.

00:29:16.000 They put a rope with a bunch of sheets, so you don't see the mechanic's eye.

00:29:22.000 They put four walls, like making of a cage.

00:29:26.000 It looks like a rooster cage.

00:29:29.000 The ground was the mats, the squares that have like the cookies.

00:29:33.000 Puzzle mats.

00:29:34.000 Yeah, the puzzle mats.

00:29:35.000 And a fucking metal cage.

00:29:38.000 Whoa.

00:29:38.000 The metal was going like that.

00:29:39.000 So if you get too close to the cage, you're caught.

00:29:42.000 Really?

00:29:43.000 Yes.

00:29:44.000 And then I was like, okay, there's no way-ins.

00:29:46.000 There's no locker room.

00:29:47.000 It's a fucking mechanic.

00:29:49.000 It's...

00:29:50.000 Quito, the capital, is coal, too.

00:29:52.000 There's no heater.

00:29:54.000 I show up with a fucking hoodie on my shorts.

00:29:56.000 I was like, what?

00:29:57.000 What the fuck am I doing here?

00:29:58.000 I was like, okay, who's my opponent?

00:30:00.000 I don't see no kids in here.

00:30:02.000 All grown men with tattoos looking mean.

00:30:05.000 And then I asked the guy that contacted me for the fight.

00:30:08.000 I'm like, yo, who am I fighting?

00:30:11.000 See the guy there with the dread?

00:30:13.000 I was like, he's not a fucking kid.

00:30:15.000 He's like, ah, it's okay.

00:30:16.000 You should be fine.

00:30:18.000 And we were the main event.

00:30:19.000 I didn't use shit.

00:30:20.000 You were the main event?

00:30:21.000 Yeah, but this is not licensed.

00:30:25.000 This is a homie making fights in the back of the mechanic.

00:30:28.000 So I wrap my hands with just regular hand wraps, put it on.

00:30:33.000 I don't have a mouthpiece with me.

00:30:35.000 They go to buy one, boil it, put it in my mouth.

00:30:39.000 And I'm like, okay, it's your turn.

00:30:40.000 Go!

00:30:41.000 No warm-up, no nothing.

00:30:43.000 No nothing.

00:30:44.000 I was a Jujitsu kid showing up to this MMA show.

00:30:48.000 This fucker threw a spinning wheel kick to my face.

00:30:51.000 I closed my eyes and shot a double leg.

00:30:54.000 And that thing just touched my hair.

00:30:55.000 And I was like, okay, I'm not going to strike with this guy because I don't know how to strike.

00:31:00.000 So for one round, I tried to take him down over and over and over.

00:31:03.000 And Kitu is like, just like Mexico City is high altitude.

00:31:06.000 First round's over.

00:31:08.000 My throat and my lungs were dry.

00:31:09.000 I told my friend, like, bro, what the fuck?

00:31:12.000 I don't want to be here.

00:31:13.000 He's like, no, you're there.

00:31:15.000 Don't be a fucking pussy.

00:31:16.000 Go out and fight.

00:31:17.000 I'm like, what should I do?

00:31:19.000 Just keep taking him down.

00:31:20.000 Your G2 wins all the time.

00:31:22.000 That's what he told me.

00:31:23.000 And I was like, okay, I guess you're right.

00:31:25.000 Went back in the second round, take him down, unbar him.

00:31:29.000 When I tap him out, There's no feeling like that.

00:31:33.000 That was my first MMA win.

00:31:35.000 I was the most high natural drug I ever took in my life, was winning that day by Amber.

00:31:42.000 And I told myself, I will put everything on the world that affects to be a good athlete aside.

00:31:50.000 And since that day, I started training like a maniac, like non-stop.

00:31:56.000 So everything that could possibly get in the way of that, you put that aside?

00:31:59.000 Everything.

00:32:00.000 Everything.

00:32:01.000 Like, hey, bro, there's a good thing tonight.

00:32:03.000 No.

00:32:04.000 Like, my girlfriend, which is my wife now, she knew I was like, it was fighting.

00:32:10.000 I was obsessed.

00:32:11.000 I'm going to marry to the UFC. And here we are.

00:32:14.000 And you said you weren't training very much striking.

00:32:18.000 Did you start training striking after that?

00:32:20.000 So this Jiu-Jitsu, Fernando Saluso, have like a kickboxing coach in the side.

00:32:24.000 That he would use for himself and some other guys.

00:32:27.000 And I started training with them in the MMA class in the mornings.

00:32:30.000 So these guys like have some kickboxing skills and also was like a brown belt at the time in Jiu Jitsu.

00:32:36.000 So he would put together some classes but MMA class was shin guards and gloves.

00:32:43.000 Just beat the shit out of each other.

00:32:45.000 So there was no like strategy, technique?

00:32:47.000 Oh no.

00:32:48.000 The technique back then was like high kick back on four.

00:32:52.000 Five minute rounds.

00:32:54.000 Okay, switch kick back on four.

00:32:57.000 It was a beginner class.

00:33:00.000 And back then, MMA was blind in Ecuador.

00:33:03.000 And what year was this?

00:33:05.000 This is 2012. 2012?

00:33:08.000 2011, yeah.

00:33:09.000 Because I made my UFC debut 2014. Oh, this is way before then.

00:33:15.000 Fuck, this is a long time ago.

00:33:17.000 So, the Jiu Jitsu was legit.

00:33:19.000 People were winning in Brazil, people were winning in the US, in the Pan Ams, in the Worlds, but MMA was blind.

00:33:27.000 Did you have to combine this stuff yourself, like the transitions between the kicks and punches and the takedowns, or did they have any strategy for that?

00:33:34.000 The Jiu Jitsu coach, Fernando, he would be like, okay...

00:33:37.000 Jab to the takedown.

00:33:39.000 Jab to the takedown.

00:33:40.000 You know, like very old school basic.

00:33:42.000 You know, if somebody throws a low kick, run the takedown.

00:33:47.000 Or we will do days that we're only sparring the wall, trying to take somebody down.

00:33:51.000 But it wasn't like what I have right now.

00:33:54.000 Like a full-on class technique, you do this, you have to do that.

00:33:58.000 There was no experience.

00:33:59.000 This guy, Soluso, he was a fighter himself, but he was winning with Jiu-Jitsu.

00:34:03.000 He was going full-on takedown and submit the guy as soon as he get down.

00:34:08.000 A couple fights he couldn't take the guy down, they were bad fights for him.

00:34:11.000 Yeah.

00:34:12.000 But it was just the old days.

00:34:14.000 The old days, yeah.

00:34:15.000 MMA wasn't big in Ecuador.

00:34:18.000 Nobody would see the UFC. So they didn't know what you were trying to do?

00:34:22.000 When I told my dad, I want to be a UFC fighter, he was like, UFC. What the fuck is that?

00:34:29.000 And I was like, UFC, it's on TV. He's like, there's a lot of things in TV, kid.

00:34:33.000 And I was like, you don't get it.

00:34:36.000 Like, it was just not popular.

00:34:37.000 It was hard to support a kid that wanted to do that.

00:34:40.000 It was just like, what is that?

00:34:42.000 UFC? Oh, cage fighting.

00:34:44.000 Oh, awesome.

00:34:45.000 So, we basically figured it out.

00:34:50.000 in the process that's all by the time the gfc contacted me to send me to albuquerque to the latin american program with all the with all with all the mexicans yeah what year was that that was 2014. so only a couple years into your your fighting career at all i was six and one wow And I have 19 fights in the UFC right now.

00:35:14.000 Wow.

00:35:14.000 So I tripled.

00:35:15.000 I almost tripled my record inside the UFC. So that's what I kind of take pride on it.

00:35:21.000 Because most people made it like me.

00:35:24.000 Win one, lose one, get caught.

00:35:26.000 Yeah.

00:35:27.000 Because I was so young.

00:35:28.000 When I made my UFC debut in Mexico, I barely knew what I was doing.

00:35:33.000 I was just like...

00:35:35.000 I was in Jackson for six months.

00:35:37.000 In six months, you don't get better.

00:35:39.000 I was motivated because I was with John Jones, with Cowboy, you know, even Dodson wasn't his prime.

00:35:45.000 Holy Homer was around, so I was like, fuck, I'm training with all these people.

00:35:47.000 I'm going to kick ass.

00:35:49.000 And then my coach from Ecuador came and he's like, hey, they did everything wrong.

00:35:55.000 I'm going to fix it for you.

00:35:56.000 I was like, what do you mean?

00:35:59.000 He was trying to take credit for everything, but just that alone fucked me in the head.

00:36:05.000 I was like, wait a minute.

00:36:06.000 What did he think they were doing wrong?

00:36:09.000 He was just, make sure he control everything.

00:36:12.000 So if I lose, see?

00:36:14.000 Greg Jackson make you lose.

00:36:15.000 If you win, oh, I fix it on five weeks.

00:36:19.000 Now I'm a grown man.

00:36:20.000 I understand what bullshit means.

00:36:21.000 I was a kid back then.

00:36:22.000 I was 21. So I was just trying to figure it out on the go.

00:36:28.000 There's a lot of coaches that do that, man.

00:36:29.000 That didn't last much.

00:36:30.000 After that fight, we had one more fight and I was like, I told my manager, hey, that's a wrap.

00:36:36.000 I need to get out of Ecuador.

00:36:37.000 If I stay here, I'm done.

00:36:40.000 Even the UFC told me, hey, Sean basically told me, I believe in you, but if you don't get out of Ecuador, you're done.

00:36:46.000 And because of your relationship with your coach?

00:36:49.000 It was a pretty shitty relationship with the coach.

00:36:52.000 This is not the Jiu Jitsu guy, this is the MMA guy.

00:36:54.000 It was very shitty and low level.

00:36:57.000 He would play tricks, play mind games.

00:37:01.000 I see this in my dreams.

00:37:03.000 He had dreams?

00:37:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:05.000 Oh, fuck.

00:37:06.000 Yeah, it's bullshit.

00:37:08.000 And my family was telling me about it all the time.

00:37:12.000 Watch out.

00:37:13.000 Be careful.

00:37:13.000 It's just weird the way he controls you.

00:37:16.000 And I would kind of put myself against my family.

00:37:19.000 No, you guys are wrong.

00:37:20.000 He's right.

00:37:21.000 That happens a lot to guys early in their career.

00:37:23.000 If they get unlucky, they can get hooked up with the wrong coach.

00:37:27.000 He was my first MMA coach.

00:37:29.000 That's why I get hooked with him and I will believe anything he says.

00:37:32.000 It's so common, man.

00:37:34.000 You get a talented guy that gets hooked up with the wrong people.

00:37:36.000 At some point, he actually did help on some things.

00:37:40.000 But the amount of power he wants over me is what fucks everything.

00:37:45.000 But that's what a low-level guy will do.

00:37:46.000 A low-level guy that sees potential in a guy like you and thinks this is his ticket.

00:37:51.000 You know, the moment I realized everything was shit was the moment he asked for 50%.

00:37:57.000 Yes.

00:37:59.000 I paid 50% of one fight and I ended up having nothing in my pocket after that.

00:38:06.000 50 fucking percent!

00:38:08.000 I know, yeah, but...

00:38:09.000 Oh my God!

00:38:10.000 Those learning experiences, thank God, happened early.

00:38:14.000 So by the time I am right now here, I'm not getting bullshit.

00:38:18.000 You know, I'm working.

00:38:20.000 I'm working hard.

00:38:21.000 Everybody gets paid, but that also teaches me a lot.

00:38:24.000 50% is crazy talk.

00:38:27.000 Oh, it's...

00:38:27.000 When my dad find out, he's like, bro, you're getting raped with no condom.

00:38:32.000 And I was like...

00:38:34.000 I get super mad about it.

00:38:35.000 Yeah.

00:38:36.000 Because I was defending my old coach instead of, like, listening to them.

00:38:40.000 When he said he wanted 50%, what was that conversation like?

00:38:44.000 Like, what was he saying?

00:38:45.000 Exactly.

00:38:46.000 I remember I was watching fights on TV, and he texted me, hey, I saw this interview with Ronda Rousey.

00:38:54.000 This is when Ronda was on top of the world.

00:38:57.000 And she said all the success is because of coach, and she paid him 50%.

00:39:01.000 So, you want to do that?

00:39:03.000 And I was like, yeah, sure.

00:39:06.000 He had me hooked, so whatever he said, I have to accept it.

00:39:09.000 But now that I'm here today, I'm like, Ronda wasn't paying 50%.

00:39:14.000 Yeah, that's horseshit.

00:39:15.000 There's a standard.

00:39:16.000 It's like 10%, 12% sometimes.

00:39:19.000 But all those things took me to where I am today.

00:39:24.000 Well, it's good sometimes to be bullshitted.

00:39:26.000 Like, it's good to have a bad girlfriend so you recognize what a good girlfriend's like.

00:39:30.000 It's good to have a bad manager so you realize what a good one's like.

00:39:33.000 It's true.

00:39:34.000 No, so...

00:39:35.000 Everything happened.

00:39:36.000 You know, they say it's kind of silly.

00:39:37.000 Everything happened for a reason.

00:39:39.000 Yeah.

00:39:39.000 You are also an idiot for letting that happen to you, but you learn from that.

00:39:43.000 If you learn from that, it's good.

00:39:45.000 Yeah, everybody's an idiot at one point in life.

00:39:47.000 But the problem is what happened twice.

00:39:49.000 Then you're a real idiot.

00:39:50.000 Then you're a real idiot.

00:39:51.000 Yeah.

00:39:51.000 Well, some people just get emotionally connected to a manager or to a coach, and then they really have a hard time breaking up with them.

00:39:59.000 Some people, they get their hooks in deep.

00:40:01.000 I was pretty hooked, yeah.

00:40:02.000 It happens, man.

00:40:04.000 There's been world champions that have ruined their career because they had a bad coach.

00:40:09.000 They didn't go with the real camp.

00:40:11.000 And they had one strategy that was winning for a while, but there's these holes in that strategy that someone recognized, but they didn't.

00:40:20.000 That's exciting.

00:40:20.000 We used to think about it.

00:40:22.000 You always will win from the guard with a triangle.

00:40:24.000 And I have like six triangles, like early.

00:40:26.000 And then it's like, that's it.

00:40:28.000 You just need that.

00:40:29.000 And then you made it to the UFC. You fight some high caliber.

00:40:32.000 And then that triangle is fucking not working at all.

00:40:34.000 There's a few guys that have a technique that they just did over and over and over and over and over and over.

00:40:42.000 And there's a point.

00:40:44.000 Did you ever see Paul Sass fight?

00:40:46.000 I know the name.

00:40:47.000 He's got like a hundred fucking triangle wins.

00:40:50.000 He was always catching people with triangles.

00:40:52.000 Like if you got that guy on his back, you were fucked.

00:40:55.000 Yeah.

00:40:56.000 It's a rare moment.

00:40:57.000 Like some people, they just develop this one technique that's so goddamn sharp.

00:41:02.000 Remember Cody McKenzie?

00:41:04.000 He had the McKenzie team.

00:41:06.000 Yeah.

00:41:06.000 Like a high album.

00:41:07.000 Catch everybody in the guillotine.

00:41:09.000 Yeah, the problem is when that stops working, then you're fucked forever.

00:41:12.000 Then you're fucked.

00:41:13.000 Yeah, but it's funny how some people, how far they can get with one technique.

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:20.000 You know?

00:41:20.000 My first five fights, they were basically all triangle choked.

00:41:25.000 Really?

00:41:25.000 Yeah.

00:41:26.000 I have like six triangle chokes.

00:41:27.000 I was like, one in the UFC. And then...

00:41:30.000 The first time I lost in the UFC, I threw like three triangles, didn't work.

00:41:34.000 And then I was looking to the corner like, hey, this is not working.

00:41:38.000 What the fuck should I do now?

00:41:39.000 Because I didn't have any other technique.

00:41:41.000 So how did you get to Jackson's?

00:41:44.000 I was driving.

00:41:45.000 I got a call from a number that says USA. And I was like, weird.

00:41:50.000 I'm from Ecuador.

00:41:51.000 So I pick up.

00:41:51.000 I was like, hey, Marlon, you've been selected to be in the UFC. And then I fucking almost crashed.

00:41:57.000 When they say UFC... My dick got hard.

00:42:00.000 I was like, what the fuck?

00:42:01.000 So this was Ultimate Fighter?

00:42:04.000 Number one that time.

00:42:05.000 Yeah, the first Latin American Ultimate Fighter.

00:42:08.000 So you're selected to go to the Ultimate Fighter.

00:42:11.000 So you have to go to Jackson's and train.

00:42:13.000 And if you're good, they put you on.

00:42:16.000 If you're bad, they train you until you're good.

00:42:19.000 And there's two options.

00:42:20.000 You either make it or will you send you back?

00:42:24.000 And I was getting some pictures with my friend to send to Mexico to defend my belt.

00:42:30.000 I had a belt in Mexico I have to defend in December against this ex-Bellator guy.

00:42:34.000 So that was a big fight because if you win that fight against an American, you're pretty much in the UFC. It's the way things work, right?

00:42:43.000 Because I used to make my own fights.

00:42:45.000 I used to contact every single promoter in South America, tell them I will fight for free, just because I want to let myself know two people and be in the UFC one day.

00:42:54.000 So I make their job easy, because back then you were making 500 bucks.

00:42:58.000 Anyway, so like, don't pay me nothing.

00:43:00.000 Send me a flyer.

00:43:01.000 With this flyer, I ask sponsors to pay for my ticket, my hotel, and I go and fight, and I have people get to know who I am.

00:43:11.000 So, I take those pictures, send to the promoter in Mexico, and literally, the moment I send the email, my phone rings, and I was like, hello?

00:43:19.000 Hey, Marlon, we call regardless from the UFC. You've been selected.

00:43:23.000 I hit the curve.

00:43:24.000 Boom!

00:43:25.000 My tire explodes.

00:43:27.000 I was like, UFC, are you the fucking UFC? And they're like, yeah, you've been selected.

00:43:32.000 I was like, hey, if this is a joke, I'm going to kill you.

00:43:36.000 Because somehow my sister and my brother, they're fucking dicks in a good way.

00:43:40.000 And I was like, they're probably fucking with me.

00:43:42.000 Because this is a good story.

00:43:45.000 This happened...

00:43:46.000 Were they speaking to you in Spanish?

00:43:47.000 Yes.

00:43:48.000 So I was like, fuck, if this is my sister and my brother, I'm going to burn them alive.

00:43:52.000 But my dad told me, hey, this is the last year you have to try this.

00:43:58.000 After this, you find a real job, you work for me, or you leave the house.

00:44:02.000 And you were 21 at the time?

00:44:04.000 That was 20. And this is November, like the last couple days of November, he told me, you got until December.

00:44:12.000 December 2nd is my birthday.

00:44:14.000 December 1st, the bank is closed for you.

00:44:18.000 You either work or you're fucked.

00:44:19.000 And I know my dad is a hardcore, old-school guy.

00:44:22.000 I know there's no chance for that.

00:44:25.000 So this was my last chance, this fight in December.

00:44:29.000 I don't know, sometime in December.

00:44:30.000 That was my last chance to marry to the UFC. So when these people called me, this is the last week of November.

00:44:37.000 So I was like, fuck, this could be my sister and my brother just fucking with me.

00:44:41.000 And I hit the curve, the tire explodes, I parked, and I was like, okay, are you real, the UFC? Yeah, you've been selected, you have to fly to Abu'rki, train, and they will check your email, you will have info to file on for your tickets and blah, blah, blah.

00:45:01.000 Cool.

00:45:03.000 My dad was ready to stop supporting me.

00:45:06.000 And I was already married.

00:45:08.000 I have one daughter.

00:45:09.000 So my dad was helping me so I can train all day.

00:45:12.000 He was helping me with my rent, helping me with some food, but just basic essentials.

00:45:19.000 I'll have to figure it out at rest.

00:45:21.000 And he told me, December 1st came, kid.

00:45:23.000 You're done.

00:45:24.000 You'll find a job and fuck that fighting dream.

00:45:28.000 I called him.

00:45:30.000 The fucking UFC called me!

00:45:32.000 His partner was like, fuck, I'm fucked now.

00:45:35.000 And I was like, dad, they called me.

00:45:37.000 I'm gonna leave Tobolkirki.

00:45:38.000 I'm gonna make it.

00:45:39.000 And we all will be good.

00:45:41.000 I fucking make it.

00:45:42.000 I love you.

00:45:43.000 Thanks for everything you did for me.

00:45:44.000 Blah, blah, blah.

00:45:46.000 I drove straight to my wife and I was like, hey, I'm leaving Tobolkirki for six months.

00:45:51.000 A regular wife will be like, freaking out.

00:45:54.000 The smile on her face just make my day.

00:45:57.000 Six months?

00:45:58.000 Six months.

00:45:59.000 Wow.

00:45:59.000 You gotta leave.

00:46:01.000 So I trained for those six months there.

00:46:03.000 And then the finale of the Ultimate Fighter was in November when it was at Margo Hunt in Verdun.

00:46:12.000 That was Mexico City.

00:46:14.000 Yes.

00:46:14.000 Yeah.

00:46:15.000 So we went to Ultimate Fighter.

00:46:17.000 I was there for that one.

00:46:18.000 I know.

00:46:18.000 That's what hurt me the most.

00:46:20.000 Not just not winning, but not getting to talk to you that day.

00:46:23.000 I swear to God.

00:46:24.000 I was so upset.

00:46:25.000 And I really thought I won the fight.

00:46:27.000 It was a decision, but I was like, I thought I did enough.

00:46:31.000 I was kind of hype, and then I was like, oh shit, whatever.

00:46:35.000 That broke my heart in 20,000 pieces, because it was my UFC debut.

00:46:39.000 I made it to the UFC, and I was like, fuck, I made all this, and I'm a fucking loser.

00:46:46.000 That loss made me hard in a way.

00:46:50.000 I was like, okay, no more fucking bullshit.

00:46:53.000 No more weird coach.

00:46:54.000 No more bullshit.

00:46:56.000 No more whatever people say.

00:46:58.000 I'm going to focus so hard that one day I'm going to go to be a world champion.

00:47:02.000 Because it was like...

00:47:04.000 It was so much in the past.

00:47:05.000 Like, even what my dad did for me and my family, my wife's family, what they did for her to stay with a guy that wasn't making a fucking dime and just training all day like a maniac, for a good reason.

00:47:16.000 So I was like, if I make all that to come here and lose like this, I'm a fucking failure.

00:47:23.000 So that right there kind of gives me the foundation to don't be a fucking loser.

00:47:30.000 Like, literally, I was so hard on myself that I was like, I gotta get killed, too.

00:47:36.000 Again.

00:47:37.000 Well, you were young, and it's, you know...

00:47:40.000 It was early.

00:47:40.000 That was a very close fight.

00:47:42.000 It was a very close fight.

00:47:44.000 It was early, too.

00:47:45.000 Just that experience, too, to be in Mexico City, in that huge arena, fighting in the UFC. What was that like, just to step into the octagon like that?

00:47:53.000 I woke out crying that day.

00:47:55.000 I was crying in the walkout.

00:47:57.000 I was, as a fan, as all I did to be there, I was like, I'm not gonna contend it.

00:48:05.000 I'm not gonna, like, not cry so people don't see me.

00:48:08.000 I was full on crying walking to the cage.

00:48:10.000 Wow.

00:48:10.000 Because I was fighting.

00:48:12.000 You remember that thing with my daughter for the surgery?

00:48:14.000 Yes, yes.

00:48:15.000 And then, you know, young Annick boys comes in the side on the big screen, fighting for his daughter's smile.

00:48:22.000 And I was like, this fucking asshole right now.

00:48:24.000 And I started crying.

00:48:25.000 I was like, fuck, I want to make this happen.

00:48:26.000 Because that was all...

00:48:27.000 Back then, I was making 8 and 8. Good luck finding 80 grand to pay that surgery.

00:48:32.000 Right.

00:48:33.000 So it was just a lot in my shoulders.

00:48:35.000 And I told myself, I will never want to be the guy that my daughter is 18 years old and ask me, why you never did it for me?

00:48:43.000 So I was like, doing that alone was bigger than being in the UFC. I was like, I cannot have fun yet by achieving my dream of being here.

00:48:52.000 I need to get that done first.

00:48:54.000 And that was my first big thing I ever did in my life.

00:48:59.000 Wow.

00:48:59.000 That was a big thing, too.

00:49:00.000 That was a huge event.

00:49:02.000 That event in the UFC in Mexico City, that was wild.

00:49:05.000 It was huge.

00:49:06.000 The ground was shaking when I was walking out to the cage.

00:49:10.000 It was packed, and that was the very first fight of the night.

00:49:14.000 There was no one soul that can get in there.

00:49:16.000 Oh, no, it was oversold.

00:49:19.000 Yeah, it was packed.

00:49:22.000 That ring is nice, too.

00:49:24.000 That's a great arena, yeah.

00:49:25.000 It's pretty nice.

00:49:26.000 It's hard to fight in Mexico City, too.

00:49:28.000 The altitude is, what is that, 7,000 feet?

00:49:30.000 Yeah.

00:49:31.000 I think it's right around there.

00:49:33.000 That and Quito, but that helped me fight in Ecuador in the capital.

00:49:36.000 It's just as high.

00:49:38.000 Yeah.

00:49:39.000 And Albuquerque's high, too, right?

00:49:41.000 Albuquerque, it's a little lower, but it's high.

00:49:43.000 5,000-something?

00:49:44.000 I think I got more red blood tests than the usual human being.

00:49:49.000 They told me that when I was a kid.

00:49:51.000 Really?

00:49:52.000 They make me blood tests because I was sick.

00:49:54.000 And the doctor freaked out and told my mom, hey, something about cancer.

00:49:58.000 I was like, what the fuck?

00:50:00.000 I freaked out.

00:50:01.000 And then when the results came out, I was like, okay, it's all normal.

00:50:04.000 He used to have double the red blood tests of a normal human.

00:50:08.000 Really?

00:50:10.000 So does that translate into extra endurance?

00:50:13.000 I would guess so.

00:50:14.000 That's crazy.

00:50:15.000 Where does it all go?

00:50:18.000 Hey, that's a doctor talking to my mom when I was a kid.

00:50:21.000 And I will never forget that.

00:50:22.000 Have you had a blood test recently to check to see if that's still the same?

00:50:25.000 No.

00:50:26.000 No, you should do that.

00:50:27.000 Find out if the doctor's an idiot.

00:50:29.000 Most likely it was.

00:50:31.000 But I really remember because I got scared, he told my mom something's wrong with his blood.

00:50:36.000 And I was like, oh my god.

00:50:37.000 Motherfucker, what's wrong with my blood?

00:50:38.000 Oh no.

00:50:39.000 I was freaking out because my mom took me They found some weed on my backpack, and they was like, make him a test.

00:50:46.000 And then, just from finding weed to, hey, something's wrong with his blood, I was like, wait, wait a minute.

00:50:52.000 Like, weed's giving you cancer?

00:50:54.000 They don't, you know.

00:50:56.000 Right, no one knows.

00:50:57.000 Ecuadorian doctors.

00:50:58.000 Yeah, right, yeah.

00:51:00.000 That was probably a bet.

00:51:01.000 Yeah, Jesus Christ.

00:51:03.000 It was, yeah.

00:51:04.000 But growing up, that's when my mom told me, like, oh, you got more red balls.

00:51:09.000 So when you first started training at Jackson's, what was that experience like?

00:51:13.000 Like, how much growing did you have to know?

00:51:16.000 How much did you have to abandon of, like, the way you fought before?

00:51:19.000 I was a white belt.

00:51:21.000 Really?

00:51:22.000 Rolling with black belts.

00:51:23.000 I was lost.

00:51:25.000 The first day of...

00:51:27.000 That trip to Jackson was my first ever aspiring, like real aspiring, like with a real fighter in front of me.

00:51:34.000 A real professional.

00:51:34.000 I was getting dropped left and right.

00:51:37.000 Really?

00:51:38.000 I was getting kicked on my leg and flying.

00:51:39.000 I was getting punched in the stomach and crawling to the ground.

00:51:42.000 I was like...

00:51:43.000 My friends would text me, like, hey, how's...

00:51:45.000 Are you having fun?

00:51:45.000 This fucking cowboy is there.

00:51:47.000 I was like, forget about cowboy, dude.

00:51:48.000 I'm getting my ass kicked by fucking a guy that has zero amateur fights.

00:51:53.000 I was getting tapped.

00:51:54.000 I was getting takedown.

00:51:56.000 I was getting fucking murdered in the stand.

00:51:59.000 I wasn't...

00:52:00.000 I don't win a round, like, in the first...

00:52:03.000 10 weeks.

00:52:04.000 Wow.

00:52:05.000 It was awful.

00:52:06.000 10 weeks of just getting your ass kicked.

00:52:08.000 Ass kicked in every single practice.

00:52:11.000 Even three story.

00:52:13.000 Mike Bali, he was a striking coach there.

00:52:16.000 He pulled me aside one class and he's like, he gave me this fucking dumb story.

00:52:22.000 When I was a kid, my dream was to be a baseball player, blah, blah, blah.

00:52:25.000 And one day the coach told me I should find something else because it wasn't good enough and I decided to go to fighting instead of do baseball because I was so bad there.

00:52:37.000 So we recommend you to find something else.

00:52:39.000 Oh shit!

00:52:40.000 I look at him in the eye, dead cold.

00:52:43.000 And I say, fuck you.

00:52:44.000 And I walk away.

00:52:45.000 Whoa.

00:52:46.000 But the only thing that I prize myself is, like, I was getting my ass kicked.

00:52:50.000 Everywhere.

00:52:51.000 Everywhere.

00:52:52.000 In every single class.

00:52:53.000 Jiu-jitsu class, tap like a fucking clapper.

00:52:57.000 Striking class, getting my ass kicked.

00:52:59.000 Wrestling class, good luck.

00:53:01.000 I was blind everywhere.

00:53:04.000 But I never stopped coming to class.

00:53:07.000 On time...

00:53:09.000 I'm ready to go.

00:53:10.000 That never changed.

00:53:11.000 Every morning, every Tuesday morning, cold mornings of sparring.

00:53:15.000 9.30, I was there, warming up, ready to go.

00:53:18.000 Get my ass kicked, go to the room, cry sometimes because I was realizing I suck at this.

00:53:24.000 But keep coming.

00:53:25.000 Keep coming.

00:53:26.000 Keep coming.

00:53:27.000 So two and a half months in, you started to see a change?

00:53:29.000 A little bit.

00:53:32.000 A little bit.

00:53:33.000 At least I get familiar with the guys that shoot and I shoot in a spar.

00:53:36.000 I was like, you come here.

00:53:38.000 You're not that good.

00:53:39.000 I can run from you.

00:53:41.000 But I trained with these guys for a month, and they might want to start to the Ultimate Fighter.

00:53:48.000 Wow.

00:53:49.000 So the other guys that were there, like Jair, other Mexicans, they had there like a year already.

00:53:56.000 I was new there.

00:53:58.000 I was new mid.

00:53:59.000 I was there.

00:54:00.000 I didn't have time to get better.

00:54:01.000 You don't get better in a couple months.

00:54:03.000 No.

00:54:03.000 Not in MMA. You have to focus about everything.

00:54:07.000 Not when you're getting your ass kicked, too.

00:54:09.000 I was getting my ass kicked.

00:54:12.000 It's hard to get better when you're getting fucked up.

00:54:14.000 People don't realize that.

00:54:16.000 One thing that Eddie Bravo told me early on, he's like, train with blue belts.

00:54:20.000 He goes, because you can tap them all the time, then you get all these reps in.

00:54:24.000 He goes, if you train with black belts, you're just defending and you're getting tapped a lot.

00:54:29.000 The Mendez bros told me that.

00:54:31.000 I trained with them full-time in Cali.

00:54:32.000 They told you that too?

00:54:34.000 The same exact words.

00:54:35.000 I came early for this podcast.

00:54:37.000 I came on Friday to train with Danaher.

00:54:40.000 Same exact thing.

00:54:41.000 So it's like, right there you got the three top three in the world.

00:54:45.000 Right.

00:54:46.000 And if they tell you that, it must be for a reason.

00:54:48.000 Yeah, there's a reason.

00:54:49.000 It's about reps.

00:54:51.000 And it's also like you see that with young fighters.

00:54:54.000 You know, if you fight, that's the reason why boxing has a very smart strategy.

00:54:59.000 They match you up carefully until they get you prepared for a world-class opponent and then eventually for a title fight.

00:55:06.000 The thing about the UFC is they'll throw guys to the wolves very early on, especially if you're willing.

00:55:11.000 Because there's no belt system and there's no boxing system.

00:55:15.000 Well, it's also because there's a bunch of different promoters in boxing.

00:55:20.000 And the whole key to make the most money is get your fighter undefeated when he gets to the title shot.

00:55:26.000 In the UFC, it's like, they get to make the call.

00:55:30.000 And if they call you up and they say, Hey, Marlon, we have a fight and it's for, you know, it's a championship level fighter and you have four days notice.

00:55:40.000 And can you make weight?

00:55:42.000 You're like...

00:55:42.000 What the fuck?

00:55:44.000 And maybe we're drinking, and maybe, you know, it happens all the time.

00:55:47.000 All the time.

00:55:48.000 All the time.

00:55:49.000 Nate Diaz was drinking what they call him for Conor.

00:55:52.000 Yeah, they was drinking tequila in Mexico, eating tacos.

00:55:55.000 I know.

00:55:55.000 Yeah, and then he goes, okay, and 11 days later, he's strangling Conor McGregor.

00:56:00.000 I know it's just tacos, vegan tacos.

00:56:02.000 Yeah, nah, he doesn't eat vegan.

00:56:04.000 They keep saying that?

00:56:05.000 That's not true.

00:56:06.000 I mean, he eats eggs and fish, and I mean, I don't know if he's still eating fish, but he certainly was at one point in time.

00:56:13.000 You know, but the vegans love to claim him.

00:56:15.000 It's hilarious.

00:56:16.000 They love to find the one person, because it's nonsense.

00:56:18.000 They always try to find this one person who's, like, elite on a vegan diet.

00:56:23.000 Like, look at Nate Diaz, look at his done, look at his done.

00:56:25.000 I remember that, and I asked him personally, I was like, I was like, yeah, I eat a lot of vegetables, but I eat a lot of things.

00:56:30.000 I eat meat every day.

00:56:32.000 Do you?

00:56:32.000 Oh, full-on ribeyes left and right.

00:56:35.000 Is that most of your diet?

00:56:36.000 Like, out of camp?

00:56:37.000 Like, out of camp, I can eat whatever I want because I keep in the same amount of diet.

00:56:43.000 I don't eat no sugar.

00:56:45.000 I rarely do a cheat meal, but I eat meat every day.

00:56:49.000 I do vegetable juices.

00:56:52.000 Avocados, like a lot of fats, a lot of protein, and some veggie juices.

00:56:56.000 Do you have a nutritionist?

00:56:59.000 Perfecting athletes.

00:57:02.000 We've been together for like 11 fights, so they know me.

00:57:05.000 They know I'm not fucking around.

00:57:07.000 They know I'm in Texas, and in the last four days, I've been eating meat, eggs, veggie juices, couple of smoothies.

00:57:14.000 Always healthy.

00:57:15.000 There's no point to go the other way.

00:57:17.000 Right, no point.

00:57:17.000 It's just mouth pleasure.

00:57:19.000 Exactly.

00:57:20.000 The moment you swallow it, you're fucked.

00:57:22.000 Yeah, it feels good when it's in your mouth.

00:57:24.000 Just spit it out.

00:57:25.000 Diego Sanchez used to do that.

00:57:26.000 He used to eat meat.

00:57:27.000 I mean, he had this idea that meat was bad for you, but he used to chew the meat and then spit it out.

00:57:34.000 Diego Sanchez.

00:57:35.000 He's so crazy.

00:57:36.000 I do at least two revives a day.

00:57:38.000 Really?

00:57:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:57:39.000 But I eat a bunch of avocados, a bunch of fruit, a bunch of veggie juices, and then when I get a call to fight...

00:57:48.000 I'm not overweight.

00:57:50.000 I'm basically in shape.

00:57:51.000 I just add a bunch of veggies because my meals go smaller and smaller and smaller towards the end of camp.

00:57:59.000 What is your weight walking around normally?

00:58:01.000 Like 54, 53. Okay, so you're cutting somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 pounds?

00:58:06.000 Yeah.

00:58:07.000 And what do you weigh like the week of the fight?

00:58:10.000 Like 45, 48. Okay, so 10 pounds.

00:58:13.000 I got 10 to 11 pounds on Thursday night.

00:58:16.000 I'm like, wait, it's not easy.

00:58:18.000 I fucking deplete my body.

00:58:19.000 It's awful.

00:58:21.000 The first couple pounds, I'm so mad when I start.

00:58:25.000 Because I start like, even if I set my mind this time, I want to be happy.

00:58:29.000 Fuck this shit, weight cards for pussies, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:58:32.000 But then the 45ers are like three times my size.

00:58:35.000 I think there should be no weight cutting.

00:58:37.000 No weight cutting.

00:58:38.000 I really do.

00:58:39.000 If you call me right now, hey, you're fighting, give me any name.

00:58:44.000 This guy waits between 155 and 160. Sign the contract.

00:58:48.000 Well, it's just, I think the UFC needs two things to happen.

00:58:52.000 They need more weight classes and they need to stop cutting weight.

00:58:57.000 Those two things need to happen.

00:58:59.000 If they had a weight class every 10 pounds, a person could adjust their diet, adjust their body fat, adjust the amount of cardio they do, and naturally bring their body to a healthy weight and know what weight class you fit in.

00:59:12.000 When I'm cutting weight and I get to 140, I'm kind of strong.

00:59:18.000 After that, I'm fucked.

00:59:20.000 But I know any other bantam is doing the same, so it's like nobody's doing...

00:59:25.000 I think I keep one of the better diet outside, but if you see regular fighters outside camp, they're eating cookies and fucking Coca-Cola.

00:59:35.000 They're not eating well, most of them.

00:59:38.000 The ones I know, they're eating shit.

00:59:40.000 I won't name them.

00:59:41.000 It's just the whole thing is crazy because it doesn't make any sense.

00:59:44.000 It's the worst thing you could ever do 24 hours before you have a fight.

00:59:48.000 The worst thing you could ever do is completely deplete yourself.

00:59:50.000 You might as well get drunk.

00:59:52.000 I mean, it's just as bad for you.

00:59:53.000 You took all the water from your brain.

00:59:56.000 Yeah.

00:59:57.000 Then you get punched in the beer.

00:59:58.000 You're gone.

00:59:59.000 And you can't even use an IV. You can not.

01:00:01.000 You have to replenish everything by drinking the fluids.

01:00:04.000 Anyway, most of my...

01:00:06.000 Even when IV was legal, I really use them.

01:00:08.000 Because I drink the first three, four hours.

01:00:11.000 Like, perfecting athletes told me, like, for each hour...

01:00:16.000 500 milligram, you will fully absorb it.

01:00:19.000 Because if you go crazy and you drink half a gallon, you're fucked.

01:00:24.000 You just pee it out.

01:00:25.000 Right.

01:00:25.000 You gotta make sure you absorb it.

01:00:26.000 And I'm not a doctor.

01:00:28.000 They have to drink it slowly.

01:00:29.000 They are.

01:00:29.000 Yeah.

01:00:29.000 But when you make weight, you're desperate.

01:00:32.000 You're craving for...

01:00:33.000 You will drink your own pee by then.

01:00:35.000 So, like, they told me, like, I bring one of the ladies with me on weighing day.

01:00:39.000 I don't bring my coaches.

01:00:40.000 And they say, stop.

01:00:42.000 They put a timer, okay?

01:00:43.000 How you feeling good?

01:00:44.000 Drink again.

01:00:45.000 They bring me some eggs, some fruit.

01:00:47.000 But then when I see around, the fighters are just eating Pringles or salt dishes.

01:00:53.000 I'm like, it just drives me crazy.

01:00:56.000 I'm like, what are you fucking doing?

01:00:57.000 And when you weigh in, how many hours after you weigh in do you start to feel good again?

01:01:05.000 Like, three hours later, my eyes are not soaked anymore.

01:01:10.000 My face looks normal again.

01:01:12.000 But I drink.

01:01:13.000 I drink for two hours, just liquid.

01:01:16.000 I do between watermelon juice, vegetable juices, orange juice, grape juice, and then water.

01:01:25.000 I don't stop drinking water until I leave to the arena.

01:01:28.000 Do you put anything in the water?

01:01:30.000 Do you have electrolytes?

01:01:33.000 We call it the natural Gatorade.

01:01:34.000 We put honey, salt, and lime in a full gallon, and that's how I rehydrate.

01:01:41.000 I don't use no powders, no bullshit.

01:01:45.000 But I eat this way the whole year.

01:01:49.000 If I do my 13-mile run, that's what I'm drinking when I'm done.

01:01:54.000 So your body's accustomed to it.

01:01:56.000 I am accustomed to it.

01:01:57.000 What drives me also crazy is when a fighter cut 10-20 pounds, then the first meal is a fucking pizza or a cheeseburger.

01:02:05.000 I'm like, holy shit.

01:02:06.000 I love to fight those guys because you attack the stomach, it's over.

01:02:11.000 If I'm not eating that out of camp, what makes you think that's a way to recover?

01:02:16.000 Right.

01:02:16.000 I'm eating a full ribeye, lamb chops, like all the fats I can, eggs, fruit, and I feel great.

01:02:26.000 And when you wake up fight day, you feel 100%?

01:02:31.000 Do you feel 80%?

01:02:32.000 No, not 100%.

01:02:33.000 I think it's hard to feel 100% after 24 hours in recovery.

01:02:38.000 That's so crazy.

01:02:39.000 It's just like you mentally, you tell yourself like, hey, I'm ready to die.

01:02:43.000 Like, Do you think it's possible to change MMA? I mean, what is 1FC doing?

01:02:47.000 Because 1FC has no weight cuts, right?

01:02:50.000 Yeah.

01:02:51.000 I was talking a little bit with Gary Tonnen about it, and they are still fucking around with weight cuts.

01:02:55.000 How are they doing that?

01:02:56.000 He explained me in a way that they test you two times, and then you have to, like...

01:03:03.000 It's almost like you drink a lot of water before you cut a little bit.

01:03:07.000 It's tricky.

01:03:09.000 They take a little bit away, but people...

01:03:13.000 Men will always find a way to be bigger and cheat a little bit.

01:03:17.000 Recording is cheating to me.

01:03:19.000 Yeah, I think it's sanctioned cheating.

01:03:21.000 It's like if I weight 155 in my daily basis, I fight anybody that natural weight between 150 and 160. Easy, because when I'm sparring, I'm sparring guys that weight 170 natural, but I'm healthy too.

01:03:38.000 I'm on my natural weight.

01:03:40.000 That's fine.

01:03:40.000 So 10 pound gap is not an issue.

01:03:44.000 When you're healthy?

01:03:45.000 When you're healthy.

01:03:46.000 What do you think, what percentage do you deplete yourself?

01:03:50.000 Like when you show up on fight day, you're definitely depleted because of the weight cut, but what percentage?

01:03:55.000 Do you think you deplete yourself by 10% more?

01:03:57.000 I think I walk to the cage feeling between 85% and 90% on 100%.

01:04:05.000 But it's also my lifestyle.

01:04:07.000 There's no drinking.

01:04:09.000 There's no fucking around.

01:04:10.000 I go to bed before 10. The scientist that you have here a while ago, the scientist doctor, not close on.

01:04:20.000 Leave your phone an hour before bed.

01:04:22.000 Don't have a full stomach.

01:04:24.000 Put socks on.

01:04:26.000 Be most likely...

01:04:27.000 Yeah, that's Matthew Walker, that episode.

01:04:29.000 Shout out to that guy.

01:04:30.000 He's a motherfucker.

01:04:30.000 That was a big episode.

01:04:31.000 He changed my life.

01:04:32.000 He changed a lot of people's lives.

01:04:34.000 A lot of people recognize the importance of sleep from that.

01:04:36.000 I don't have a TV on my room since.

01:04:39.000 And that's like three years ago.

01:04:41.000 There's only TV in the living room.

01:04:45.000 The AC. I like to sleep cold, which is to say that.

01:04:50.000 And then I don't really need to take a day off because of that.

01:04:55.000 Because you're not overtrained.

01:04:57.000 Right.

01:04:57.000 If you go to sleep on bed and you don't have nightlife and you're not fucking around, you can train hard every day.

01:05:03.000 Yeah.

01:05:03.000 There's days that you pull a little down, then you pull back up.

01:05:07.000 But if you go to bed on time and you have a clean lifestyle, you pretty much...

01:05:12.000 I have a good longevity.

01:05:14.000 Well, you know, that's when the Donahar people, they all train every day.

01:05:18.000 I train there Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.

01:05:21.000 Yeah, 365 days a year.

01:05:22.000 He told me no days off.

01:05:24.000 He goes, I go, Christmas?

01:05:25.000 No, no days off.

01:05:26.000 I go, what about when you're tired?

01:05:28.000 Train light.

01:05:29.000 I do that.

01:05:30.000 I train on Christmas Day, New Year's Eve.

01:05:33.000 I don't really...

01:05:34.000 I'm a holiday person.

01:05:35.000 That's what my wife hates about me.

01:05:37.000 I'm like...

01:05:38.000 She's like, Christmas is coming.

01:05:39.000 I'm like, good lord.

01:05:40.000 I'm the fucking Grinch in that way.

01:05:42.000 But training-wise...

01:05:44.000 Every day.

01:05:45.000 Because there's always something you can do.

01:05:47.000 Or your arm hurts?

01:05:48.000 Do squats.

01:05:49.000 Your leg hurts?

01:05:51.000 Punch.

01:05:52.000 You can always do something.

01:05:54.000 And that's what Kobe Bryant always says.

01:05:56.000 By the time you and your opponent are about to compete, I have five years ahead.

01:06:01.000 Because he's waking up earlier and having more time.

01:06:04.000 And I do that.

01:06:06.000 Sometimes I wake up four in the morning and go for my run.

01:06:09.000 Then I just have to work on a skill.

01:06:10.000 My cardio is done.

01:06:13.000 But how many people is going to bed on time?

01:06:15.000 That's also the biggest one.

01:06:17.000 Now, when you are in camp or just in general, what do you do for recovery?

01:06:23.000 Are you getting regular massages?

01:06:25.000 Yeah, I definitely do the massages.

01:06:28.000 I go to the PT. If something hurts, wave shocks or stims.

01:06:34.000 I do a lot of hyperbaric chamber for the head.

01:06:37.000 A lot.

01:06:37.000 How often do you do that?

01:06:38.000 Weekly.

01:06:39.000 Weekly.

01:06:39.000 How many times?

01:06:40.000 Once a week.

01:06:41.000 Once a week?

01:06:41.000 For how long?

01:06:42.000 For like 90 minutes.

01:06:44.000 And how many atmospheres?

01:06:45.000 Two?

01:06:45.000 Say that again?

01:06:46.000 Atmospheres.

01:06:47.000 Like, you know, like, they can get it up to, like, the one that I go to get you to 2.2 if you need it.

01:06:53.000 I do it at two atmospheres.

01:06:55.000 It's, like, it's important, like, how many, um, how...

01:06:58.000 Like, they have home units that are not that strong.

01:07:01.000 Yeah, the one that I go is the metal ones, the huge ones.

01:07:03.000 Yeah, those are the ones you want.

01:07:04.000 I say 90 minutes and that thing.

01:07:06.000 I don't know what they do, how they control it.

01:07:08.000 I just get myself in there.

01:07:09.000 Yeah, I do 90 minutes as well.

01:07:11.000 They have some that only do, like, one and a half atmospheres.

01:07:15.000 The idea is, like, here's the amount of oxygen in a normal atmosphere, and they jack it up to two to double the amount of oxygen in an atmosphere, and it's pressurized inside of there.

01:07:26.000 And I think the idea...

01:07:28.000 Yeah, like being underwater with scuba tanks.

01:07:31.000 You know what's interesting?

01:07:32.000 This lady, who's my doctor, told me that one of the people that she used to do this with, they used to do scuba.

01:07:40.000 They were scuba divers, and these guys would get drunk, and then to recover from being drunk, they would go scuba diving.

01:07:48.000 And I go, why?

01:07:49.000 She goes, because you're down there breathing basically pure oxygen, and you're deep below the water, and it's so much oxygen.

01:07:56.000 It's like getting into your cells, and it helps you.

01:07:58.000 I never talk to the guys.

01:08:00.000 I talk to them, but the phase one, phase two, it's just the huge metal ones.

01:08:04.000 I know for a fact it's a good one.

01:08:05.000 I do it once a week.

01:08:07.000 Once a week for 90 minutes.

01:08:08.000 And then I do massages, ice bath, guarantee.

01:08:12.000 I have a sauna at home that I torture myself every day.

01:08:16.000 Yeah, sauna's big.

01:08:17.000 It's game changer.

01:08:19.000 If you're going to spend your money spending right, sauna is key.

01:08:23.000 It's key.

01:08:24.000 And there's so many athletes that don't use a sauna.

01:08:26.000 I'm like, my God, you're crazy.

01:08:28.000 Like, Dan Gable said that he learned that from the Europeans, that the Eastern Europeans were all using sauna in training.

01:08:34.000 And he was like, it's like, why are we not using this in America?

01:08:38.000 This is kind of crazy.

01:08:39.000 It improves your endurance.

01:08:42.000 Exactly.

01:08:43.000 I don't do it when I lift weight.

01:08:45.000 I do it after I do cardio, so I keep my heart rate high.

01:08:48.000 Rhonda Patrick went over that.

01:08:50.000 And I was like, oh, lady, thanks for the advice.

01:08:53.000 She keeps the heart rate going.

01:08:54.000 And it's hard to do.

01:08:56.000 When you go in there, I like to drink a lot of water before I do it.

01:09:00.000 So I'll do my cardio.

01:09:02.000 I really love to do it on days I do rounds in the bag.

01:09:06.000 Basically, when I run it, do it.

01:09:07.000 Yeah, and then get in there, and you don't want to fucking be in there, man.

01:09:10.000 You're like, oh, Jesus, because your heart's already trying to recover, and then you're at 185 degrees.

01:09:16.000 I love it.

01:09:17.000 I do it every day.

01:09:18.000 It really does maintain your heart rate, and I've found that it makes my cardio much better.

01:09:24.000 And also, if I take time off a cardio, if I hurt something, and then I have to take a couple weeks off, I don't lose much.

01:09:31.000 No, because you're in the sauna all the time.

01:09:32.000 Because you're in the sauna all the time.

01:09:34.000 Me, I get in that thing almost every day.

01:09:37.000 When she speaks about it, in the days you do physical strength, don't do it.

01:09:41.000 That's the only thing I change in my daily stuff because I was like, might as well, she knows more than me.

01:09:46.000 I've been doing it.

01:09:47.000 I love it out.

01:09:48.000 In Texas, it gets kind of cold at night in the wintertime here, so it's like 40 degrees at night.

01:09:53.000 So what I like to do is I get in there at nighttime, and I get in there outside.

01:09:57.000 I got a barrel saw that I put outside.

01:10:00.000 It's 185 degrees.

01:10:02.000 I get to 25 minutes, and I just look at my watch.

01:10:05.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ, why is it 25 minutes?

01:10:07.000 And I hit that 25 minutes, and then I just lay out in the grass.

01:10:10.000 Cool grass, stare at the stars.

01:10:13.000 I do that because mine's right in the patio.

01:10:17.000 I feel so good too.

01:10:18.000 It makes me feel better and it makes me think.

01:10:21.000 I think about life.

01:10:22.000 Because the toxins that stop you from feeling good, you just let it go.

01:10:27.000 Yeah, but I always have to make sure that I'm not lying down at dog shit.

01:10:30.000 That's important.

01:10:31.000 I gotta look down at the grass, scan with my phone, scan for dog shit.

01:10:36.000 My dog will leave some presents for me.

01:10:39.000 Then you'll fucking ruin your night.

01:10:41.000 Yeah, but it feels so good to lie in that grass and stare up at that sky and just like...

01:10:46.000 That's one thing I do enjoy, just watching the sky.

01:10:49.000 The stars are something, they have something about it.

01:10:52.000 It's humbling.

01:10:53.000 It is.

01:10:54.000 Show you how small you are.

01:10:56.000 Yeah, well that's also, you live in Costa Mesa, right?

01:10:58.000 Yeah.

01:10:58.000 You get to see the ocean.

01:10:59.000 The ocean's humbling too.

01:11:01.000 I surf every day.

01:11:02.000 Do you really?

01:11:03.000 Oh yeah.

01:11:05.000 Did you surf in Ecuador?

01:11:06.000 Yeah, I grew up surfing.

01:11:07.000 Oh, no kidding.

01:11:08.000 I went to Waco last week.

01:11:12.000 Oh, you did that surf thing?

01:11:13.000 Oh, no shit.

01:11:14.000 With the Ruka crew, it was so fucking rad.

01:11:17.000 Well, I heard that's the best way to learn, because you guaranteed waves.

01:11:21.000 Guaranteed waves, and the ocean is tricky.

01:11:23.000 I've been surfing for years, and sometimes when I surf with pros, I can tell they move to the right, they move to the left, and they find a wave.

01:11:30.000 I'm still kind of lost in that way.

01:11:33.000 It's almost like they know where to paddle.

01:11:35.000 I'm like, motherfuckers.

01:11:37.000 Because I only serve with kids that they compete or I get to serve with Kelly once and I'm like, holy shit.

01:11:43.000 Shane Dorian's here tomorrow.

01:11:45.000 He's here tomorrow?

01:11:45.000 Yeah.

01:11:46.000 That's a bad motherfucker.

01:11:47.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

01:11:48.000 I grabbed...

01:11:48.000 When I was a kid, I used to tell myself, you will never get to know Kelly Slater.

01:11:53.000 I can introduce you to him right now.

01:11:54.000 He's here.

01:11:55.000 He's here?

01:11:55.000 Yeah, he's in town.

01:11:56.000 I met him when I went to Kelly's pool.

01:11:59.000 Oh, did you really?

01:12:00.000 I went and...

01:12:01.000 First thing I said, bro, I'm a fan of yours.

01:12:03.000 You know who I am.

01:12:05.000 I fucking love you.

01:12:06.000 Like, when I was a kid, those guys were my heroes.

01:12:08.000 Yeah.

01:12:09.000 Like, and now you get to, you know...

01:12:11.000 get to talk to Kelly or hang out with him or asking questions about competitions or shit like that i'm like it's just mind-blowing it's like it's humbling in a way like you get to a point that your heroes you're you're able to talk to them yeah you're friends it feels unreal sometimes oh my god man i have a problem with that i hear it all the time when you say it and then it's in the back of my head when i get to meet somebody like that i'm like Man,

01:12:38.000 when I met Willie D from the Ghetto Boys, and I met him in Houston when I did a show down there.

01:12:43.000 Am I playing tricks on me?

01:12:44.000 Yeah, and I'm hanging out with him.

01:12:46.000 I was trying to explain it to him.

01:12:48.000 I'm like, man, when I was a kid and I was delivering newspapers, I would listen to the Ghetto Boys.

01:12:54.000 I don't remember if it was a cassette or a CD. I don't remember.

01:12:57.000 But I'd listen to you guys over and over and over again.

01:13:00.000 And now you're right here.

01:13:02.000 In front of me.

01:13:03.000 It was weird, man.

01:13:04.000 I've met a lot of famous people, but he was one of the weirder ones because I just listened to that thing so often, so many times.

01:13:10.000 It's crazy.

01:13:11.000 When I was surfing with Kelly, I was like, holy shit.

01:13:14.000 It's Kelly Slater.

01:13:15.000 He invited me to his pool and I'm surfing with him.

01:13:17.000 I was like, I'm fucking alive or I'm just high at home.

01:13:21.000 It's still for me, man.

01:13:23.000 I had Snoop here on the podcast recently.

01:13:25.000 That one was fucked too because I was way too high.

01:13:28.000 I was way too high and I was tripping out that it was Snoop Dogg.

01:13:31.000 That's the reason.

01:13:32.000 This is my first one.

01:13:33.000 I didn't bro the weed because I'm going to talk to Joe.

01:13:35.000 I want to be sober the first time.

01:13:37.000 Second time, I'm going to be high.

01:13:38.000 Okay, we'll do a second time.

01:13:40.000 We'll get blasted together.

01:13:41.000 I was thinking to myself, I'm like, what about if you just get too high and you fucking blew it?

01:13:46.000 Just go sober and don't talk shit.

01:13:48.000 Because when I'm high...

01:13:50.000 Yeah.

01:13:50.000 I just talk.

01:13:51.000 I know.

01:13:51.000 I'm talking now.

01:13:52.000 I'm the same person.

01:13:53.000 I'm pretty easygoing, but still, you don't want to fuck that.

01:13:57.000 Sometimes great things come out of your head when you're high, though.

01:13:59.000 And then sometimes you just go off the rails.

01:14:01.000 You just never know.

01:14:02.000 It's more the good ones.

01:14:04.000 Yeah.

01:14:04.000 I learned that with mushrooms.

01:14:06.000 When you eat them, and you eat a little more than you should, then your mind is just going.

01:14:11.000 Well, when you eat a little more than you should, you should be alone.

01:14:15.000 Yeah.

01:14:16.000 You should just be alone and relax and think.

01:14:18.000 I do that when I'm at a friend's house and I know there's nobody there.

01:14:22.000 When my kids are around, I just microdose.

01:14:24.000 Yeah, microdosing is good.

01:14:26.000 Microdosing, I think, is the future.

01:14:27.000 I think a lot of people are going to microdose because it doesn't make your...

01:14:31.000 It doesn't affect your cognitive ability in terms of, like, affect your judgment or affect the way you talk and the way you behave, but it elevates you.

01:14:39.000 It's like this gentle elevation a microdose does.

01:14:42.000 And I think...

01:14:44.000 Are you aware of Terence McKenna?

01:14:47.000 Do you know who Terence McKenna is?

01:14:47.000 Yeah, the fighter, yeah.

01:14:48.000 No, no, no, no, that's Terence McKinney.

01:14:50.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:14:51.000 Yeah, McKinley?

01:14:52.000 McKinney?

01:14:52.000 Oh, the mushroom guy.

01:14:54.000 Yeah, the mushroom guy.

01:14:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:56.000 Terence McKenna is the guy who has this theory called the stoned ape theory, and his brother Dennis is still alive.

01:15:03.000 His brother Dennis is brilliant.

01:15:05.000 And his brother Dennis is a legitimate scientist, and he explained it on the podcast, why it makes sense.

01:15:12.000 And the theory is there's a real mystery in the development of the human species.

01:15:18.000 And the mystery is the doubling of the brain over a period of two million years.

01:15:23.000 And it's unprecedented in the fossil record.

01:15:27.000 They've looked at all these different animals and how things changed and evolved, and a lot of things are wild.

01:15:32.000 But to see a brain double in size over a relatively small period of time in terms of the fossil record, two million years is not that much time.

01:15:42.000 For something to change so radically.

01:15:44.000 And there's all these theories of why the human brain doubled.

01:15:48.000 Some people think it was hunting.

01:15:50.000 It was maybe the throwing arm, learning how to throw things, and then developing projectiles and weapons.

01:15:58.000 Some people think that it was eating meat and learning how to cook it, and that learning how to cook it made the nutrients more bioavailable, and it made people ingest more protein.

01:16:12.000 Then there's this possibility of eating.

01:16:13.000 There's also weird theories, and they don't all hold up.

01:16:17.000 You know, they're all theories, but the big one is mushrooms.

01:16:21.000 And it's a real controversial one because first of all, mushrooms is a silly subject to a lot of academics.

01:16:27.000 When they start thinking about the possibility of a brain doubling in size because of what they think of as a party drug, the problem is a lot of these guys have never really truly experienced a breakthrough mushroom experience.

01:16:40.000 And if you have...

01:16:41.000 It's the best thing you can do.

01:16:42.000 Well, if you have, you start going, okay, what is this?

01:16:45.000 And what is happening?

01:16:47.000 And maybe this is how human beings develop.

01:16:50.000 Because what McKenna said is that the period that the human brain doubled, and I'm sorry if I'm butchering this, Dennis.

01:16:58.000 The period that the human brain doubled coincides with the period that the rainforest receded into grasslands.

01:17:06.000 So as the climate changed, because we talk about climate change today, but climate has changed throughout history too.

01:17:12.000 The climate change today, the man-made climate change is a concern, but what I'm saying is that Throughout the history of the Earth, there's been radical shifts in the climate, and they've resulted in all these changes, like the Sahara Desert used to be this great, vast grasslands in green, filled with trees and shit.

01:17:31.000 Well, at one point in time, the rainforests receded into grasslands.

01:17:37.000 And the human beings had to come down from the tree and they weren't human at the time.

01:17:41.000 They were, you know, Australopithecus and all these other different pre-humans.

01:17:45.000 And they came down from the trees and they started experimenting with new food sources.

01:17:50.000 And one of the things that they believe happened is they see monkeys in the wild.

01:17:55.000 They will flip over cow patties and they'll eat bugs and worms and different things that are growing underneath this cow shit.

01:18:04.000 But on those cow patties is also where mushrooms grow.

01:18:07.000 And they think that they started experimenting with these mushrooms.

01:18:11.000 And the way they describe it is, mushrooms in low doses, like you just eat a couple, increases visual acuity.

01:18:18.000 So it would make you a better hunter, because it makes you see things better.

01:18:23.000 It makes you...

01:18:24.000 Like, there was a famous...

01:18:26.000 I'm trying to remember his name.

01:18:27.000 It's kind of like the blur.

01:18:28.000 When you touch the camera and it's perfect vision, it's almost that.

01:18:32.000 That's what I feel when I take it.

01:18:34.000 The blurriness, the fogginess, it goes away.

01:18:36.000 It cleans up.

01:18:39.000 There's a study that these guys did.

01:18:42.000 I forget which scientist it was.

01:18:45.000 They did a study on edge detection.

01:18:47.000 So what they did was they had lines, like parallel lines, and then they moved one slightly.

01:18:53.000 And the people that were on mushrooms could tell before the people that were straight when the edge detected consistently.

01:19:01.000 And so mushrooms increased visual acuity.

01:19:04.000 They also make you horny, so they made one more likely to breed, and they also enhance creativity.

01:19:13.000 So they made them better at problem solving, and they probably made them better at solving the complex problems of developing tools and weapons.

01:19:24.000 And language.

01:19:26.000 Mushrooms enhance the ability to connect sounds to ideas and to express those things.

01:19:32.000 So the idea is that these pre-humans ate these mushrooms over a period of two million years and their fucking brains grew.

01:19:43.000 That makes sense to me.

01:19:44.000 It does make sense.

01:19:45.000 Everything you say makes sense because when I started taking them, I take younger, like for fun, and I've been taking for the last two years micro doses and sometimes I eat a little more when I'm alone.

01:19:56.000 And your brain Show things like All the pathways that You know By stress or You know Bad food or Punches or whatever You get like The blood don't flow The microdome Make that go Yeah And then when you take a little bit And you feel like Kind of high It's when it's actually working In your brain But it's also caught with what you say, it's a party drug for ignorant people.

01:20:21.000 Well, it's fun.

01:20:22.000 I mean, I think people, they take it because it's fun.

01:20:25.000 And it's not bad to have fun.

01:20:27.000 You know, and mushrooms, even though you're taking it to have fun, sometimes people have, they learn things from those experiences.

01:20:34.000 But I think if you want to be using them correctly, you should use them with reverence.

01:20:41.000 You should think, you know, when you're microdosing, that's one thing.

01:20:45.000 You're taking them, it's enhancing your day.

01:20:47.000 But if you're going to sit down and really have a trip...

01:20:50.000 I think you should do it in a way...

01:20:52.000 To set an intention.

01:20:53.000 Yeah, you set an intention and you do it in a way where you give some respect to what you're about to experience.

01:20:59.000 Because what you're about to experience is wholly alien.

01:21:03.000 Yeah, you go far.

01:21:05.000 Alien to this world.

01:21:06.000 Yeah.

01:21:07.000 Alien.

01:21:07.000 I know what he's saying.

01:21:08.000 When you see like the walls close in and change patterns and things flow through and you start to experience entities staring at you from other dimensions.

01:21:18.000 You get answers and you also have questions when you do that.

01:21:20.000 And you start seeing like the apocalyptic doom of the earth and Wild shit.

01:21:26.000 Yeah, but you have to set an intention.

01:21:28.000 If you use it for fun, then you don't learn from it.

01:21:30.000 But I smoked DMT not a while ago, and I set an intention, and I was up there.

01:21:38.000 What was your intention?

01:21:40.000 I literally, before I smoked it, I was like, okay, I want to be present.

01:21:45.000 I don't want to be focused too much on the outside.

01:21:48.000 Because, you know, when you get a certain point in a fighting career, it's not just fighting.

01:21:53.000 There's a lot that comes with it.

01:21:54.000 And you got to know how to handle it.

01:21:56.000 And I was just thinking to myself, I want to be better at this.

01:21:59.000 I want to focus on who I am, not in the outside.

01:22:03.000 I want to be, of course, a better fighter, a better husband, blah, blah, blah.

01:22:07.000 And then I was like, I just want to be better overall.

01:22:10.000 I want to be chill.

01:22:11.000 I want to be happy as I am.

01:22:14.000 And I just take a rip.

01:22:17.000 And my grandfather that passed away not a while ago was throwing stars at me.

01:22:24.000 Wow.

01:22:25.000 He was grabbing the stars and just throwing it at my face.

01:22:29.000 And I was just dodging them, dodging them.

01:22:32.000 And then my friends, we did it at my friend's warehouse.

01:22:35.000 So there's nobody there.

01:22:36.000 It's like doing it right here.

01:22:38.000 Nobody will come.

01:22:39.000 It was all dark.

01:22:40.000 And they have a bunch of wild paintings around.

01:22:44.000 This guy is, like, he's who provides me my mushrooms, who provide my wheat sometimes, CBD, everything.

01:22:51.000 So this guy is in that world.

01:22:53.000 So all the paints, all the, like, the kind of, like, tie-dice paints, and you know when they're, like, mixing up, like, the trippy pictures?

01:22:59.000 Yeah.

01:23:00.000 When I was going in the elevator, I was going, like, on circles up, like a rocket, and all these fucking colors.

01:23:08.000 Like, colors I never saw in my life.

01:23:10.000 It was just like...

01:23:11.000 And then when I get to the room, they call it the room, right?

01:23:14.000 When you get up there?

01:23:15.000 Yeah.

01:23:16.000 It was like looking at this roof, like stars, all black, and just little dots.

01:23:21.000 And then I didn't see my grandfather's face, but it's almost like, okay, you there.

01:23:28.000 And he was laughing and throwing stars at me, just laughing.

01:23:31.000 And they told me, before I came back, I was laughing like a baby, like a little kid.

01:23:36.000 It was awesome.

01:23:38.000 And when I came back, he just gave me that, like...

01:23:43.000 Calmness.

01:23:44.000 I don't know.

01:23:45.000 It just helps in a way.

01:23:47.000 It helps in some strange way.

01:23:49.000 It also makes regular life seem so bland.

01:23:53.000 It is.

01:23:54.000 In comparison to that world.

01:23:56.000 It calms your anxiety.

01:23:58.000 People get so trapped in little thoughts, on little daily things.

01:24:01.000 Sometimes they're having the biggest problem of their life out of nothing.

01:24:06.000 Right.

01:24:06.000 Out of nothing.

01:24:07.000 Out of nothing.

01:24:08.000 People are so focused on...

01:24:10.000 What somebody says, or reading comments, or traveling.

01:24:14.000 This picture of my friend has more legs.

01:24:16.000 I'm like, no.

01:24:18.000 Yeah, that's a problem, man.

01:24:19.000 The social media problem.

01:24:21.000 It's huge.

01:24:22.000 It's so bad for your brain.

01:24:23.000 I made a decision quite a while ago to stop reading comments.

01:24:27.000 It's made a big impact on me, man.

01:24:30.000 I'm going to tell you one thing myself.

01:24:31.000 In the last few years, I don't read.

01:24:35.000 At all.

01:24:36.000 Like if my friends, like if I see a friend of mine or somebody I admire put in something, makes me happy.

01:24:43.000 But I'm not digging to see who says something bad or who says something about my skill.

01:24:49.000 It's gone.

01:24:50.000 And you know what?

01:24:51.000 You feel free.

01:24:52.000 I'm not doing it to look like somebody else.

01:24:55.000 It's just the more authentic you are, the more you are yourself, there's nothing better than that.

01:25:00.000 No, there's nothing better than that.

01:25:01.000 And when you start thinking about what other people are saying and other people are saying about you and what their opinions are, it fucks with your own perceptions because it changes how you behave and think because you're thinking about their opinions.

01:25:15.000 And sometimes their criticism is valid.

01:25:18.000 I'm not dismissing that the criticism is not valid.

01:25:22.000 But if you take in too much of that over and over again, there's too much noise.

01:25:26.000 It's not good.

01:25:27.000 Like, I know when I... And I'm sure you do too.

01:25:30.000 You're an intelligent person.

01:25:32.000 And you're also a dedicated person who is...

01:25:38.000 Hell-bent on becoming better when you're that person you're always objective and trying to or at least trying to be objective and Analyzing that's why you said like I want to be a better husband.

01:25:49.000 I want to be a better father I want to be a better fighter That should be all of our intent with it whatever you're trying to do in life You should always be trying to get better at it because as a human We're flawed and weird and messy.

01:26:01.000 That's your foundation.

01:26:02.000 Yeah, and your chemicals in your brain, they shift constantly and you're not always exactly the same person.

01:26:08.000 I'm a different person all the time.

01:26:09.000 I'm a different person if I haven't had sleep.

01:26:11.000 I'm a different person if I'm under stress.

01:26:13.000 I'm a different person if I haven't worked out.

01:26:15.000 And all those things also happen.

01:26:16.000 It's like how you handle those things is what makes you get to the finish line.

01:26:21.000 But you can't take in too much external opinions.

01:26:24.000 You can.

01:26:25.000 You have to be able to know whether you're fucking up and how to get better.

01:26:31.000 And that's exactly what separates you from the crowd.

01:26:33.000 If you know that, if you get to know yourself that much that you know what's real and what's just cloud, it will take you way longer.

01:26:41.000 And I always tell people around me, I'm like, hey, like somebody, like friends of mine or people close to me that love me, they get mad about what people say.

01:26:49.000 I'm like, hey, the moment you get mad, they're winning.

01:26:53.000 Like you're giving it the chance to make sense.

01:26:56.000 You have to live...

01:26:58.000 Your life, be happy with where you are, the way you have, and always work for more and for better, but for yourself, not for no one else.

01:27:05.000 Yeah, not for no one else.

01:27:06.000 Because that will put you aside from anything.

01:27:09.000 I have some friends that lose their fucking mind that people are talking shit about.

01:27:13.000 When somebody here say something like...

01:27:15.000 Oh, but they're saying that about me.

01:27:17.000 When I'm in the car, I'm like, yo, yo, yo, yo.

01:27:19.000 No, no, no, no.

01:27:20.000 Forget about it.

01:27:21.000 And then you're basically saying that to them.

01:27:23.000 I'm like, yeah, listen to him.

01:27:24.000 Don't pay attention to that.

01:27:26.000 You can.

01:27:26.000 You can't.

01:27:27.000 You just can't.

01:27:28.000 Well, it's a new thing.

01:27:29.000 It's like normal for people.

01:27:31.000 Like you find out a friend of yours is talking shit about you.

01:27:34.000 You want to go confront him in the real world.

01:27:36.000 Yeah.

01:27:36.000 Like, why are you talking shit about me, man?

01:27:37.000 I thought we were friends.

01:27:38.000 Like, you want to know where you stand with this person.

01:27:41.000 Right.

01:27:41.000 But for people you don't even know talking shit about you, that's normal.

01:27:45.000 That's what people do.

01:27:46.000 Man, if I was online at 15, I would be talking shit about everybody.

01:27:50.000 I would be sending everybody pictures of my dick.

01:27:53.000 If you see my Twitter when I was 15 years old, holy shit.

01:27:57.000 Everybody, everybody.

01:27:58.000 I was never a fan of soccer, ever.

01:28:00.000 And Ecuador is huge on soccer.

01:28:02.000 I would go on Twitter and say the meanest shit to soccer players.

01:28:07.000 And I was laughing.

01:28:08.000 For fun.

01:28:08.000 I was smoking with my friends.

01:28:11.000 Oh shit, he got mad.

01:28:13.000 We make soccer players delete the accounts on how much shit we talk.

01:28:18.000 Fuck you, and I kill you, you're the fucking loser.

01:28:21.000 And then I'm like, now that I'm a grown-up, and I'm like, if I see her comment, I'm like, I got a thick skin.

01:28:28.000 So it's like, it don't bug me.

01:28:30.000 Nobody has it, but if you don't have it, at least be smart enough.

01:28:33.000 Don't pay attention.

01:28:34.000 Well, you have a thick skin because you've been getting in fights since you were four.

01:28:39.000 I've never been mad for a fight or for somebody else.

01:28:44.000 If we're like this close and you say something that I don't like, I'd probably punch in the face.

01:28:49.000 Has there ever been a fighter that leading up to a fight has pissed you off?

01:28:52.000 Never.

01:28:53.000 And I thought the biggest idiot out there, O'Malley, he was talking Masha.

01:28:58.000 But that's his thing though.

01:29:01.000 Exactly.

01:29:01.000 You know that that's how he became famous.

01:29:04.000 His talent and all the shit-talking and the personality.

01:29:08.000 It's like Kobe.

01:29:09.000 It's just a persona.

01:29:11.000 Every time I see a fighter that is mad, I'm like, you fucking idiot.

01:29:15.000 Like, you don't even deserve to win at that point.

01:29:17.000 If you get mad before the fight, in my opinion, you don't deserve to win.

01:29:21.000 I just don't give a shit what you think, what you say.

01:29:24.000 When people ask me in interviews, how you see your next fight going?

01:29:28.000 I don't make it too hard to say, I want to fuck him up.

01:29:32.000 I want to run through him.

01:29:33.000 That's it.

01:29:34.000 Yeah.

01:29:35.000 And then when somebody talks shit about me or say like this and that, I'm like, and they ask me, you know, how media works.

01:29:40.000 Hey, he said you're slow.

01:29:42.000 I'm like, cool.

01:29:43.000 You will see fight night.

01:29:44.000 I just don't get bugged by things.

01:29:46.000 Right.

01:29:46.000 And when I fought him, I really believe he was trying to get under my head, like, Connor does.

01:29:52.000 Of course.

01:29:53.000 And I was just like, good luck with that, buddy.

01:29:55.000 I'm like, you can beat me.

01:29:56.000 You can be a better fighter.

01:29:58.000 I don't know that until we compete.

01:30:00.000 We don't know that.

01:30:01.000 It's almost like...

01:30:03.000 Sometimes cocky and confidence is a fine line that you confuse.

01:30:06.000 I'm confident in my skill.

01:30:08.000 I know how hard I work.

01:30:09.000 I know I sacrifice everything I possibly can.

01:30:12.000 So I'm like, if you say I suck, cool.

01:30:15.000 If you say I'm good...

01:30:17.000 When they're too friendly or too mean, I don't accept neither one.

01:30:21.000 Because I'm like, we're in a fight, bro.

01:30:23.000 This is not like, let's bow to each other and fuck off.

01:30:25.000 It's a fucking fight.

01:30:27.000 Sometimes when I see fighters hugging each other before the fight, I'm like...

01:30:31.000 Might as well suck a Charles Dick at this point.

01:30:34.000 I'm like, we're going to have to get in a fist fight.

01:30:36.000 Did you see Jeff Neal versus Santiago?

01:30:40.000 I know, it drives me crazy.

01:30:41.000 Well, what was crazy was Safe Saud, his coach, was yelling at him between the corners.

01:30:49.000 Like, stop dapping him up.

01:30:51.000 He's not your fucking friend.

01:30:53.000 I was watching on my phone.

01:30:55.000 I think they liked each other before they fought.

01:30:57.000 They're both great guys.

01:30:59.000 It's part of the problem.

01:31:00.000 I know one personally, Santiago.

01:31:02.000 We do the broadcast in Spanish.

01:31:03.000 Great guy.

01:31:04.000 Yeah, but guess what?

01:31:05.000 Everybody's a great guy.

01:31:06.000 Even Colby on his persona.

01:31:09.000 He's a nice guy.

01:31:10.000 Colby Covington in real life is a great guy.

01:31:11.000 I talked to him in New York.

01:31:13.000 Self-spoken.

01:31:14.000 Like, Cameron says that.

01:31:15.000 Yeah.

01:31:16.000 Great guy.

01:31:17.000 I shake his hand.

01:31:17.000 I was like, fuck, dude.

01:31:18.000 I was like, you're very nice.

01:31:19.000 And he was laughing.

01:31:20.000 I was talking shit on that.

01:31:22.000 And he was just laughing at me.

01:31:23.000 And I was wearing pink shoes.

01:31:25.000 And he's like, oh, yeah.

01:31:25.000 Coming from the guy with pink shoes, huh?

01:31:27.000 And I was like, yeah, you're nice.

01:31:29.000 But they're just personas.

01:31:31.000 But when you are in the cage.

01:31:33.000 He developed that persona.

01:31:34.000 He was a little forced, too.

01:31:36.000 But whatever.

01:31:36.000 We all know that.

01:31:37.000 But it's like, in the fight, in the center of the cage, I want to kill you.

01:31:42.000 Right.

01:31:43.000 But I'm not out of my head.

01:31:44.000 I'm not mad.

01:31:45.000 It's just my job.

01:31:47.000 Right.

01:31:47.000 You have an objective.

01:31:48.000 I gotta provide for my kids.

01:31:50.000 And that's the way I bring the bread to my home.

01:31:53.000 So like the shake hands, I leave it for after the fight.

01:31:55.000 Not even for before.

01:31:56.000 After the fight, win, lose, or draw.

01:31:58.000 Hey, good job.

01:32:00.000 I didn't shake out Sonia Dunn's hands because I was pretty rough in that fight, so I said, fuck you.

01:32:05.000 But I think I was on my right to do that.

01:32:09.000 Which fight?

01:32:10.000 When I fought Sonia Dunn.

01:32:12.000 Why didn't you?

01:32:13.000 Oh, that was a fucking bad rap indecision.

01:32:17.000 Oh, right.

01:32:18.000 So that's when he came to check my house.

01:32:19.000 I was like, ah, fuck you.

01:32:20.000 We'll probably run it back later.

01:32:21.000 For now, you're not my friend.

01:32:23.000 But I just keep it like that.

01:32:25.000 Some people don't like it, some people like it.

01:32:27.000 That's a rough one, man.

01:32:27.000 Those bad decisions are fucking, they're criminal.

01:32:30.000 It's a real problem.

01:32:31.000 I think that's another thing the UFC should employ is more judges, you know?

01:32:35.000 Oh, the judges they have now.

01:32:37.000 Well, it's not just the judges suck.

01:32:39.000 The judges suck sometimes, like some of the judges.

01:32:43.000 Really, it's like when you go to local places.

01:32:45.000 You go to small, regional places that don't have a lot of experiences.

01:32:50.000 Sometimes, yeah.

01:32:50.000 Because I do the commentary in Spanish, and I'm like, most of the fights, I know who won the fight.

01:32:56.000 And then, when they go 30, 27, they're away, I'm like, bro.

01:32:59.000 Right, how's that happen?

01:33:00.000 I remember when you were asking the lady, you know what a triangle shock is?

01:33:03.000 And she's like, Just walk away.

01:33:05.000 Yeah.

01:33:06.000 I was like, they don't...

01:33:07.000 Like, for example, if somebody...

01:33:08.000 Like, how you think about this?

01:33:10.000 Let's see I take somebody down.

01:33:11.000 Right.

01:33:12.000 And I just hold that person.

01:33:13.000 I'm working on holding them.

01:33:15.000 Right.

01:33:15.000 But the person on bottom is throwing every submission he can and he's eating me with elbows.

01:33:20.000 Yeah.

01:33:21.000 Who won the round?

01:33:22.000 The guy on the bottom.

01:33:23.000 It should be.

01:33:23.000 It should be, right?

01:33:24.000 It should be.

01:33:25.000 More damage.

01:33:26.000 Put you in more danger.

01:33:27.000 If you're just holding.

01:33:28.000 Yeah.

01:33:28.000 Like, if you're on top...

01:33:30.000 Khabibian people?

01:33:31.000 Right.

01:33:32.000 You're winning.

01:33:32.000 You won.

01:33:33.000 Right.

01:33:34.000 But if he's holding, I'm like, how you won the run?

01:33:37.000 Yeah, that's not enough.

01:33:38.000 But I also don't believe in stand-ups.

01:33:40.000 No.

01:33:41.000 I mean, people get mad at me, like, no, no, no, it's a sport.

01:33:43.000 I'm with you.

01:33:44.000 Yeah.

01:33:44.000 If you want to get up, get up.

01:33:46.000 And then, even the fans, or boo, fuck you with the boo.

01:33:50.000 Fuck you, fuck you, go watch baseball.

01:33:52.000 Exactly.

01:33:53.000 That loser that has been holed up in the cage, he don't know how to get out.

01:33:57.000 Yeah.

01:33:57.000 So, let him lose like that.

01:33:59.000 Well, it's a part of the sport.

01:34:00.000 And I feel like if a wrestler can take you down and rub his nuts all over your face for five minutes...

01:34:06.000 Good for him.

01:34:07.000 That's what he's doing.

01:34:08.000 But that is also...

01:34:09.000 That rule of standing up or telling you, like, you're not doing right, is basically creating excuses for the low-level guy not able to escape.

01:34:17.000 Yeah.

01:34:17.000 Well, they're trying to make it more fan-friendly, but Jesus Christ, there's not a more fan-friendly sport in the world.

01:34:23.000 Fist fighting.

01:34:24.000 Yeah, you watch a person who doesn't have to know anything about fighting.

01:34:27.000 They can watch the UFC and be like, holy shit, holy shit.

01:34:32.000 They can't believe how crazy it is.

01:34:34.000 There's people watching other sports for hours.

01:34:35.000 Yeah.

01:34:36.000 Oh, did you find Joey Diaz talking about?

01:34:39.000 I absolutely did not.

01:34:40.000 It's on his Instagram, Mad Flavors World?

01:34:44.000 It's on his Twitter either.

01:34:45.000 What?

01:34:46.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:34:46.000 Was it a story or something?

01:34:47.000 I don't know.

01:34:48.000 I saw it.

01:34:49.000 And it's not there.

01:34:50.000 I reposted one.

01:34:51.000 I don't know if he said...

01:34:51.000 It's only like four posts up from the last two weeks.

01:34:54.000 You might have taken it down or something?

01:34:55.000 I have no idea.

01:34:56.000 Ooh, Instagram with his rules.

01:34:58.000 Oh my God, man.

01:34:59.000 Take it down?

01:35:00.000 I typed it in.

01:35:01.000 It's not popping up.

01:35:01.000 No one else reposted it.

01:35:02.000 I don't know.

01:35:03.000 I said once, stay hard.

01:35:05.000 And I got my thing pulled off.

01:35:06.000 Stay hard?

01:35:07.000 Yeah.

01:35:08.000 That's David Goggins.

01:35:09.000 I know.

01:35:10.000 Stay hard got you pulled down?

01:35:12.000 Yeah.

01:35:13.000 I was like, what are you guys doing?

01:35:15.000 The fucking censorship is so crazy.

01:35:17.000 It's so wrong.

01:35:19.000 It's so screwy.

01:35:21.000 But then when you post a reel with a rap song and the rap song is saying...

01:35:25.000 Yeah.

01:35:25.000 They don't pull that out.

01:35:26.000 They don't pull that out.

01:35:27.000 But a stay hard is bad.

01:35:28.000 Yeah.

01:35:29.000 Every time David posts something, I just put stay hard, stay hard on everything he put.

01:35:33.000 And then they said, like, your comment might be pulled up.

01:35:36.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?

01:35:37.000 Well, that's one thing the wokesters have not done.

01:35:39.000 They have not targeted rap yet.

01:35:41.000 Yeah, right.

01:35:41.000 They leave that shit alone.

01:35:43.000 They should.

01:35:44.000 They better.

01:35:44.000 Especially old school rap, the good one.

01:35:46.000 Oh my god, like go listen to some 90s Wu-Tang Clan.

01:35:49.000 Or fucking Kool-Gee Rap.

01:35:51.000 Oh yeah!

01:35:51.000 Oh my god, that's the greatest.

01:35:55.000 Kool-Gee Rap, man.

01:35:56.000 I fucking love that dude.

01:35:58.000 I know.

01:35:58.000 But Wu-Tang Clan is what I listen to on the way to the show.

01:36:02.000 Every time on the way to a show, we listen to Wu-Tang Clan.

01:36:05.000 We have like a playlist we listen to.

01:36:07.000 Protect Your Neck is always first fuck.

01:36:09.000 Yeah, man.

01:36:10.000 They're not fucking around.

01:36:11.000 Gravel Pit.

01:36:12.000 We listen to all that shit on the way to shows.

01:36:14.000 But it just gets you going.

01:36:17.000 I'm a 90s rap fan.

01:36:18.000 I love all kinds of music.

01:36:20.000 LL, Cougie, Nas.

01:36:22.000 There's something about 90s rap to me.

01:36:25.000 It's also the excitement of the era because the whole art form was only 15 years old at the time.

01:36:33.000 It was so new.

01:36:34.000 The whole art form was so new.

01:36:36.000 I remember when I was a kid, I think I was in seventh or eighth grade, and someone was playing Sugarhill Gang in the cafeteria.

01:36:45.000 And I was like, what is that?

01:36:47.000 This is crazy.

01:36:48.000 What is this?

01:36:49.000 It was a hip hop, a hibba to the hibba to the hip hop.

01:36:51.000 And I was like, this is wild.

01:36:53.000 You get in your head.

01:36:54.000 Yeah, it was a new kind of music.

01:36:55.000 And make you dance.

01:36:56.000 Yeah, but it was also a recognition, like, oh, this is a new thing that's happening.

01:37:02.000 There's a new trend.

01:37:03.000 And then I also remember I was on a fucking elliptical machine, and the first time I heard NWA, I was like, like, what?

01:37:10.000 What are they saying?

01:37:12.000 Like, you go listen to NWA. Go listen to some early NWA, and you're like, I can't believe this was legal.

01:37:21.000 Yeah, all the shit they say.

01:37:23.000 Even Fuck the Police, when they come hard on that one.

01:37:25.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:26.000 The cops were coming to the fucking show to stop it.

01:37:29.000 Yeah, I know.

01:37:29.000 It's crazy.

01:37:31.000 But there was a change of...

01:37:33.000 I mean, the gangster rap was always awesome.

01:37:37.000 I'm a big Ice-T fan as well.

01:37:38.000 Like I said, I'm a giant Ghetto Boys fan.

01:37:41.000 But it was also...

01:37:42.000 There was just a change of the whole musical culture because of 90s rap.

01:37:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:48.000 It changed everything, man.

01:37:49.000 Big Daddy Kane.

01:37:50.000 Oh, my God.

01:37:51.000 Big Daddy Kane was the shit.

01:37:52.000 I listen to all the school shit.

01:37:54.000 Yeah.

01:37:54.000 Today's stuff.

01:37:55.000 Kumo D. I go to work.

01:37:58.000 Yeah.

01:38:01.000 Gangstar, like, the old schools are the ones to listen.

01:38:04.000 Yeah, I'm a gangstar.

01:38:05.000 I'm a giant gangstar fan.

01:38:06.000 But there's eras in time where things just changed.

01:38:10.000 I'm a big fan of 60s rock.

01:38:14.000 1960s rock and roll.

01:38:16.000 Something happened, man.

01:38:17.000 Something happened in the 60s.

01:38:19.000 And it went deep into the 70s, but there was a change in what rock was.

01:38:25.000 And it was in the 60s.

01:38:27.000 That's what I love.

01:38:28.000 I love those eras.

01:38:29.000 I love eras of great change.

01:38:32.000 Yeah, the rock and roll back then was real.

01:38:34.000 I'm not into much rock and roll, but even if you listen to a rock and roll from that time, you're like, okay, that is rock and roll.

01:38:40.000 It was rock and roll, my God.

01:38:42.000 My God.

01:38:43.000 Listen to some 1960s Jimi Hendrix.

01:38:47.000 My God.

01:38:48.000 You saw my jacket?

01:38:49.000 Oh, what do you got on there?

01:38:50.000 That's fucking...

01:38:52.000 That's Jimi right there.

01:38:56.000 Oh, that's badass.

01:38:58.000 Oh, nice.

01:38:59.000 Who did that?

01:39:00.000 Where'd you get that done?

01:39:01.000 My friend, Mark Oboe, he make all these patches and he just patched my stuff instead of one glove, one glove.

01:39:10.000 So, he's an artist from Ruka, too, and he patched my jackets and put some cool shit in there.

01:39:16.000 I gotta show you this new Hendrix piece that I got that's in the back that I got from Park City.

01:39:21.000 God, what is the artist's name?

01:39:23.000 I don't remember his name.

01:39:25.000 Is Joey talking about during his podcast?

01:39:27.000 I see him talking about the fights.

01:39:28.000 He put this out yesterday.

01:39:29.000 This part's all about gambling, though.

01:39:31.000 I don't know if he's specifically talked about it.

01:39:34.000 That fight.

01:39:35.000 Is it after the fight?

01:39:37.000 So he did like an ad and he's talking about how he gambled during the fights.

01:39:40.000 I don't know.

01:39:41.000 Well, he starts talking about Juliana Pena and Spanish women.

01:39:45.000 That's what I don't know.

01:39:46.000 How he doesn't say Spanish women.

01:39:47.000 There you go.

01:39:49.000 That's it.

01:39:50.000 That's it.

01:39:51.000 Yeah.

01:39:51.000 You'll probably be taking doubt.

01:39:52.000 right give me some value issue 600 if you put a hundred dollars down on juliana pena you win 600 so again my little junkie mind went into work and I'm like wait a second you spend 20 bucks on worse things There's worse things you do with 20 bucks.

01:40:13.000 You picket, gamble, whatever the fuck.

01:40:16.000 You ever been walking around and you're like, I'll get that.

01:40:18.000 It's just 13 bucks.

01:40:19.000 13 bucks is 13 fucking bucks.

01:40:22.000 But I'm sitting there and I go, what the fuck?

01:40:24.000 What's $25 on Juliana Pena?

01:40:26.000 You know what?

01:40:27.000 And then I thought of something else.

01:40:28.000 Why don't I date Spanish women?

01:40:31.000 Because I'm scared of them.

01:40:33.000 I've always been scared of Spanish women.

01:40:35.000 Let's get this shit out in the open right now.

01:40:38.000 Always.

01:40:39.000 Since I'm a kid, my mother was Spanish, and I'm like, you know what?

01:40:42.000 Do I really want to marry that?

01:40:44.000 Not, never.

01:40:45.000 No.

01:40:46.000 No, no, no.

01:40:48.000 I didn't listen to that before I got married to my wife.

01:40:51.000 Wish you all the best up there in heaven.

01:40:52.000 Can't wait to see you.

01:40:54.000 But you know what?

01:40:55.000 No, no, no.

01:40:56.000 Love Spanish women.

01:40:58.000 Have a lot of fucking friends with a Spanish woman.

01:41:00.000 They take a bullet for you.

01:41:02.000 But if you want peace of mind, I can't date a Spanish woman.

01:41:05.000 When you're Spanish, you can't date a Spanish woman.

01:41:07.000 I leave that to the Jews and the Italians.

01:41:09.000 You guys love Spanish women?

01:41:11.000 Help yourself.

01:41:12.000 Don't come crying to me when you have an iron buried in your fucking skull.

01:41:16.000 Don't come So I'm like fucking...

01:41:21.000 That was a full of special right there.

01:41:23.000 I gotta go with Juliana and Pena.

01:41:24.000 Just for the small 25. You know what I'm saying?

01:41:27.000 Joey Diaz's luck.

01:41:28.000 First minute, she gets knocked down.

01:41:30.000 I'm like, what else is new?

01:41:32.000 This is the story of my life.

01:41:34.000 I'm a bum then and I'm a bum now.

01:41:36.000 I'm watching this fight.

01:41:37.000 And all of a sudden, Juliana, she gets her in another thing again.

01:41:40.000 Then Juliana gets out with a fucking Kimora.

01:41:43.000 Then the round ends.

01:41:44.000 I'm like, what the fuck is going on?

01:41:46.000 This isn't bad.

01:41:47.000 And all of a sudden, second round, Juliana went in there and laid a fucking ass-whipping.

01:41:54.000 An ass-whipping, I gotta be honest with you, brought tears to my eyes.

01:41:57.000 I was so happy for that Venezuelan chick because that's why.

01:42:02.000 Dog, when she choked her, to myself, I go, now you know why I don't date Spanish women.

01:42:08.000 Dude!

01:42:09.000 They're my friends.

01:42:10.000 I love them to death.

01:42:12.000 They're my fucking, you know, I go to war.

01:42:13.000 I'm taking three little chubby Spanish women and I'll take my chances.

01:42:18.000 Fuck you motherfuckers.

01:42:19.000 Three little Mexican tanks.

01:42:21.000 A little Cuban chick that's got big tits and a little gut.

01:42:24.000 That chick hasn't eaten in two days.

01:42:26.000 She'll take your eye out.

01:42:27.000 I'm not fucking around, so...

01:42:29.000 I was so happy for Julia.

01:42:31.000 I even put it, this fight was tremendous on Twitter.

01:42:33.000 I was fucking ecstatic.

01:42:35.000 So that's how I felt last night.

01:42:37.000 I won like, I don't know, one something, 200 bucks on a $25 fucking thing.

01:42:42.000 And guess what?

01:42:43.000 I'm going to lose it all on Sunday in football anyway.

01:42:46.000 So who gives a fuck?

01:42:47.000 Nah.

01:42:47.000 I'm going to hold on to it.

01:42:49.000 The bowl season's coming.

01:42:52.000 Joey does a lot of gambling.

01:42:54.000 I think he's got a gambling sponsor.

01:42:55.000 Is that a gambling sponsor?

01:42:57.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how he got into that, and that's why I was trying to dig through it.

01:43:00.000 I didn't know if he went, yeah.

01:43:01.000 Yeah, I used to, my partner, my friend Aubrey from Onnit, we used to, I stopped gambling on fights because I was just like, I don't think this is right.

01:43:14.000 Because I'd be calling the fights but I'd be gambling on them.

01:43:16.000 Yeah, it's kind of weird.

01:43:18.000 It's kind of weird.

01:43:19.000 But also you're free to do it too.

01:43:20.000 I think it's legal.

01:43:22.000 But I was like, it seems unethical.

01:43:24.000 So I'm not going to do it anymore.

01:43:25.000 Because you work in the GFC. Yes, because I'm calling the fight.

01:43:28.000 I don't want to sound biased because I want someone to win because I got $100 on them.

01:43:33.000 I don't gamble at all.

01:43:36.000 But what Aubrey would do is he would gamble.

01:43:39.000 And so I would tell him.

01:43:41.000 Everybody tells me.

01:43:43.000 Who I pick.

01:43:44.000 And I go boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:43:45.000 Because most of my picks are right.

01:43:47.000 Most of my picks are right.

01:43:48.000 I would have lost on the Juliana Pena-Amanda Nunes fight.

01:43:51.000 In those fights?

01:43:52.000 This weekend.

01:43:54.000 That one I didn't see coming.

01:43:55.000 Those are way too one side.

01:43:57.000 What was supposed to happen?

01:43:59.000 Just run through her.

01:44:00.000 The thing is, one thing I did say leading up to the fight, as they were getting ready, I said, you have to think of all the times where someone's underestimated someone.

01:44:10.000 You can never underestimate an opponent.

01:44:12.000 You can't go into a fight not nervous.

01:44:14.000 You can't go into a fight completely sure that you're going to win when that other person is hungry and scared.

01:44:20.000 Because weird things happen when people underestimate people.

01:44:23.000 Everything happened in fighting.

01:44:25.000 Everything.

01:44:25.000 Fuck, that was nuts.

01:44:26.000 And what I saw as a fan from the outside, the first round, the first calf kick, make her fly.

01:44:32.000 Yeah.

01:44:33.000 But we know that part.

01:44:35.000 She's strong.

01:44:36.000 She's bigger.

01:44:37.000 We all know that part.

01:44:39.000 Yeah.

01:44:39.000 But then everything comes in the other side.

01:44:41.000 Yeah.

01:44:41.000 If Juliana was mentally sad, you know, prepare to die.

01:44:45.000 Fuck you.

01:44:46.000 I'm going to take this from you.

01:44:47.000 The moment you take the first couple punches and the KO guy don't stop you, we saw it through the years.

01:44:54.000 Every time Conor couldn't stop somebody, what happened?

01:44:57.000 He got to stop.

01:44:58.000 Sometimes.

01:44:59.000 The second fight with Nate, he survived and wound up beating him by decision, even though he didn't stop him.

01:45:04.000 But it don't happen all the time, but it was ready for that fight.

01:45:09.000 But when you are relying on yourself, like, okay, I'm going to stop you quick.

01:45:13.000 You're thinking you're only going to KO somebody.

01:45:15.000 Good luck with that.

01:45:16.000 Well, the thing that I was watching in the first round when Juliana had the Kimura, when she was threatening with the Kimura at the end of the round, I was like, ooh, that looks serious.

01:45:27.000 And she kept doing it.

01:45:28.000 She kept going to it.

01:45:29.000 I'm like, look, as long as this fight is on the ground in that kind of situation, Juliana's very dangerous.

01:45:35.000 And if she can tire Amanda out, if there's a way to do it, that's the way to do it.

01:45:41.000 Yeah, I didn't saw that coming either.

01:45:43.000 I knew she would punch her in the face and make her slow down.

01:45:48.000 But when they were exchanging punches, you can tell how much Amanda was charging.

01:45:55.000 And when you charge, you get way more tired.

01:45:57.000 Yeah, she was swinging for the fences.

01:45:59.000 She was trying to take her out quick, and then when Juliana was still there, you could tell she was fucking tired.

01:46:05.000 For you to be a world champion in two divisions and universally recognized as the greatest woman fighter of all time, which Amanda is, it's unexcusable to be that tired in the second round.

01:46:15.000 Unexcusable.

01:46:16.000 And just standing in front of her, just swinging in front of her, no movement side to side, standing right in front of her like you're watching a regional fight.

01:46:24.000 But that's when you know how mental is the game.

01:46:28.000 You can have all the technique, all the power.

01:46:30.000 The moment you doubt yourself and you take a step backwards, you're fucked.

01:46:34.000 You're fucked.

01:46:35.000 That's why I take more care of what goes through my mind than how much conditional training I can do.

01:46:44.000 Because you can take...

01:46:46.000 You can go way longer if your mind, like David Goggins was talking about it, in those moments you're about to quit and your mind is trapped in that thought that I'm going to quit.

01:46:56.000 If you tell yourself, I'm going to go through hell, I'm going to fuck you up, that thing is reversible.

01:47:02.000 But you have to want it.

01:47:03.000 You have to want it.

01:47:04.000 That's why Child Sonnen was saying something that I don't agree with.

01:47:07.000 He was basically saying, I don't really think that that was caused because of Juliana.

01:47:15.000 It was more quitting one side.

01:47:16.000 But that quitting was caused...

01:47:18.000 For the duck and the other person, too.

01:47:21.000 It was caused by Juliana.

01:47:22.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:47:23.000 Juliana made her quit.

01:47:24.000 She didn't just quit on her own.

01:47:25.000 You gotta give Juliana all the credit.

01:47:27.000 100%.

01:47:27.000 That's why when I heard that this morning, I was like, wait a minute.

01:47:29.000 You're not saying that.

01:47:30.000 I get it.

01:47:31.000 She's the GOAT. For one loss, don't take your title away.

01:47:34.000 Right.

01:47:34.000 But that loss, take your title away, for sure.

01:47:37.000 Like, the belt, you don't take the title of the GOAT. For all the achievements you have, you KO Cyborg.

01:47:42.000 Right.

01:47:42.000 All the people you beat.

01:47:43.000 You keep that.

01:47:45.000 But she made you quit.

01:47:46.000 You don't quit on your own.

01:47:47.000 Yeah, she made her quit.

01:47:48.000 But the way she quit was crazy.

01:47:51.000 That choke wasn't on...

01:47:52.000 Choke wasn't on at all.

01:47:53.000 It was on the chin, right?

01:47:54.000 See, let's find the choke.

01:47:56.000 Find the submission.

01:47:58.000 I'll tell you one thing.

01:47:59.000 You don't need the hooks to...

01:48:01.000 Put somebody unconscious.

01:48:03.000 But you need to get under the chin.

01:48:04.000 Oh, that thing wasn't even there.

01:48:06.000 It was like this, right?

01:48:06.000 Yeah, it was nothing.

01:48:08.000 But, you know, look, you can get that fulcrum choke, like what Khabib did to Conor, if you get the forearm on the back and you crank the neck, but that requires a lot of strength.

01:48:20.000 That wasn't what was going on.

01:48:21.000 That was an excuse.

01:48:22.000 No, she was just like, you know what?

01:48:24.000 I want to live another day.

01:48:25.000 Well, she was exhausted.

01:48:27.000 She quit.

01:48:28.000 I come back next time stronger, which...

01:48:31.000 I think myself like this, if you do that once, you will do it again.

01:48:36.000 Well, you know, that is what Juliana said leading up to the fight.

01:48:41.000 Juliana said, I'm going to bring her back to what it was like when she was younger, and she would quit in fights.

01:48:46.000 A couple of fights she did at the beginning.

01:48:47.000 Yeah, well there was fights where she got exhausted, and she kind of like lost her way.

01:48:53.000 And then she became the greatest of all time.

01:48:55.000 And it's wild to see the difference.

01:48:57.000 I think it's too close to the pay-per-view time.

01:48:59.000 All the videos I'm looking at are just pictures.

01:49:01.000 Oh, no.

01:49:02.000 Find it on my Instagram.

01:49:04.000 I have the video on my Instagram.

01:49:05.000 The UFC lets me slide.

01:49:07.000 They let me post shit on the Instagram.

01:49:10.000 Look, it's only promotion.

01:49:12.000 It's only helping.

01:49:13.000 No one wants to help the UFC more than I do.

01:49:15.000 I just can't control the video there.

01:49:17.000 You can't control it?

01:49:18.000 I can only hit stop and go.

01:49:19.000 Oh, it's okay.

01:49:20.000 Just show it to us.

01:49:21.000 Just show it to us.

01:49:22.000 Yeah, because that joke wasn't even close.

01:49:24.000 So here it is.

01:49:25.000 Listen to the volume, too, because we're going fucking crazy.

01:49:27.000 Me and DC are going nuts.

01:49:28.000 I love it.

01:49:29.000 I was watching that you guys were screaming.

01:49:31.000 She was doing exactly what she said she was going to do.

01:49:36.000 The jab.

01:49:37.000 Look at that jab in that right hand.

01:49:41.000 Look at Amanda.

01:49:42.000 Look at that jab!

01:49:44.000 Yeah, she don't have her feet under her.

01:49:46.000 Oh my goodness, she's so tired.

01:49:48.000 Her base is gone.

01:49:53.000 Listen to us.

01:49:55.000 John Anik, the only professional, when you say that I was cranking out.

01:50:00.000 Big deep breath for Nunez.

01:50:05.000 Her eyes are gone too.

01:50:10.000 Ah, looks like it's under the chin.

01:50:13.000 But it's not like...

01:50:14.000 Not deep.

01:50:15.000 No, not deep.

01:50:17.000 Did you see some guys getting off some deep chokes before?

01:50:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:21.000 Because they have the fight on it.

01:50:22.000 Yeah.

01:50:23.000 She was like, I'll live another day.

01:50:25.000 Yeah.

01:50:25.000 Well, I mean, Dustin.

01:50:27.000 I mean, Oliveira had to keep adjusting on Dustin before he finally got it.

01:50:32.000 That was deep.

01:50:33.000 The moment he tapped, but might as well, if he was there, he just got it.

01:50:36.000 He went behind the head.

01:50:37.000 He hid the hand behind the head, and he got that ultimate leverage, too, from that.

01:50:40.000 Yeah.

01:50:41.000 That was...

01:50:42.000 Charles Oliveira is a bad motherfucker.

01:50:45.000 He is a bad motherfucker.

01:50:47.000 Yeah.

01:50:48.000 The only thing that I was thinking about it, without pulling the glove, you wouldn't end on top.

01:50:54.000 True.

01:50:55.000 That was a cheap move.

01:50:56.000 So it's like, remember when Chad Mendes was about to suplex Aldo in the very first fight and he grabbed the fence and he got KO right after?

01:51:06.000 That would change a lot.

01:51:08.000 Changes everything.

01:51:09.000 Because the grapple was full on dip and that made him roll to end on his back and that round he took a lot of damage.

01:51:17.000 So it's like, if that will be a job, hey, stop.

01:51:22.000 Right, stop.

01:51:23.000 One point.

01:51:23.000 I think they should take a point off any...

01:51:26.000 Every time someone pokes an eye, every time someone kicks them in the nuts, every time someone grabs the fence, just take a phone off.

01:51:32.000 They'll stop doing it.

01:51:33.000 Everyone will stop doing it.

01:51:35.000 The moment you barely touch somebody and you get a point deducted, If you're doing this shit all the time, just keep these motherfuckers closed.

01:51:42.000 The thing is, guys with the big gloves in Muay Thai style, you know, they're doing this all the time.

01:51:47.000 They're doing this.

01:51:48.000 You can't do that.

01:51:49.000 You can't do that.

01:51:50.000 Close your fucking hands.

01:51:51.000 If you know for a fact, you will get a point deducted.

01:51:57.000 100%.

01:51:57.000 Legally or illegally, intentionally or unintentionally, you know you go fucking like this.

01:52:03.000 How about Jillian Robertson and Priscilla Cachueda?

01:52:07.000 Cachueda's putting her fucking thumb in her eyeball.

01:52:10.000 What the fuck was that?

01:52:12.000 I caught her and sent her to jail, bro.

01:52:14.000 Bro, she should be cut.

01:52:15.000 That is horrible.

01:52:16.000 That's terrible cheating.

01:52:18.000 That's terrible cheating.

01:52:19.000 I said you should be cut by now.

01:52:21.000 I don't generally say that, but that is terrible cheating.

01:52:25.000 Have you seen that, Jamie?

01:52:26.000 I have this on for sure.

01:52:29.000 I tweeted a couple days ago.

01:52:30.000 I have this for sure saved.

01:52:32.000 I have it saved as a close-up.

01:52:34.000 I don't tweet much, and I put that thing on it.

01:52:37.000 That's horrible.

01:52:38.000 You literally can't do that.

01:52:40.000 You will blind someone.

01:52:41.000 I mean, imagine if you got, like, what happened to...

01:52:45.000 Bisping.

01:52:46.000 To Bisping.

01:52:46.000 Well, you lose a fucking eye because of that.

01:52:48.000 Here, I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because I've got a close-up of it, because this is so nasty.

01:52:55.000 Oh, here.

01:52:55.000 This is the worst.

01:52:56.000 Here.

01:53:00.000 I'm not sending it to him right now.

01:53:02.000 What I sent you is like a super close up.

01:53:05.000 Like very close up.

01:53:06.000 It's so bad.

01:53:08.000 It's terrible.

01:53:09.000 And Jillian was fucking her up.

01:53:10.000 She got her on the ground.

01:53:12.000 She was landing some good ground and pound.

01:53:14.000 She got her back.

01:53:15.000 Now look at this.

01:53:16.000 Look at this man!

01:53:17.000 That thumb is deep in the fucking eyeball.

01:53:20.000 I mean, and she did it twice.

01:53:22.000 She literally...

01:53:23.000 She keeps trying.

01:53:24.000 Oh my god, she did it twice.

01:53:25.000 She literally looked for her eye and stuck her thumb in the eye.

01:53:30.000 You can't do that.

01:53:32.000 You can't do that.

01:53:33.000 You gotta go.

01:53:34.000 That's unacceptable.

01:53:34.000 Watch this.

01:53:35.000 Look at this.

01:53:35.000 Finding the eyeball.

01:53:37.000 Holy shit.

01:53:37.000 Look at that shit, bro!

01:53:39.000 That is so crazy.

01:53:41.000 That is so crazy.

01:53:43.000 Finding the eyeball, and that is a blatant foul.

01:53:46.000 I mean, it's not just a blatant foul.

01:53:48.000 It's fucking cheating.

01:53:49.000 It's worse than steroids.

01:53:51.000 Yeah, if you're taking steroids, you get cut for two years.

01:53:55.000 I agree.

01:53:56.000 You're doing that?

01:53:57.000 You're done.

01:53:58.000 Get the fuck out of here.

01:54:00.000 You can't do that.

01:54:01.000 You could ruin someone's eyeball.

01:54:02.000 You could ruin her eyeball for life.

01:54:04.000 When she...

01:54:06.000 Fair and square.

01:54:07.000 Defeated you.

01:54:08.000 She got herself in a better position.

01:54:10.000 She submitted you.

01:54:11.000 You were about to tap.

01:54:12.000 And you stuck your fucking thumb in her eyeball.

01:54:14.000 I was going off when I was watching live.

01:54:16.000 And my wife was like, what's going on?

01:54:18.000 I was like, this fucking bitch is so...

01:54:20.000 I was like, did you know the other chick?

01:54:21.000 I'm like, I don't need to know her.

01:54:23.000 Horrible.

01:54:23.000 That's fucking awful.

01:54:24.000 You don't do that.

01:54:25.000 Horrible.

01:54:27.000 That's unacceptable.

01:54:28.000 Horrible.

01:54:29.000 That is unacceptable.

01:54:30.000 It's one of the worst examples of blatant cheating I've ever seen.

01:54:35.000 Yeah, a bad loser.

01:54:38.000 Fucking fight is over.

01:54:40.000 Not only that, miss weight.

01:54:42.000 I watched the whole thing with the second thing, the second look where she does it.

01:54:48.000 It makes it even worse.

01:54:51.000 She did it again.

01:54:52.000 Yeah, look at the referee is not even stopping her from doing that, man.

01:54:55.000 She's just the first time.

01:54:56.000 If I'm the referee, I start punching her.

01:55:00.000 She is just fucking blatantly- Holy shit.

01:55:02.000 100% cut her.

01:55:03.000 Cut her.

01:55:04.000 Get the fuck out of here.

01:55:06.000 If I'm the referee, I will punch her right there.

01:55:08.000 Goddamn.

01:55:08.000 Look, I know people get crazy when they're losing.

01:55:10.000 They get desperate.

01:55:11.000 They do wild shit and they regret it afterwards.

01:55:13.000 I don't give a fuck.

01:55:14.000 You can't do that.

01:55:15.000 You can ruin someone's eyesight for the rest of their life doing shit like that.

01:55:18.000 One thing is talking shit.

01:55:20.000 One thing is saying fuck you in the cage.

01:55:22.000 That's just crossing any fucking line you can ever have.

01:55:25.000 You're not.

01:55:26.000 I mean, as a person who is doing this for a living, you know there are certain things that can happen to you that can ruin your life.

01:55:33.000 And that's one of them.

01:55:34.000 You can lose your eyesight.

01:55:35.000 That's one of those.

01:55:36.000 I was losing it when I saw that.

01:55:38.000 I was like, holy fuck.

01:55:39.000 You do that, you're done forever.

01:55:42.000 Not just in the UFC. You should be gone.

01:55:45.000 You're not fighting.

01:55:46.000 Yeah, no one should want to hire you after that.

01:55:49.000 I mean, there's guys who've lost sight legitimately when, you know, Nick Lentz has also lost, I think, I think he said something like 40% of his sight in one of his eyes.

01:56:00.000 Holy shit.

01:56:01.000 Yeah.

01:56:01.000 From, just from regular fights.

01:56:03.000 Michael wasn't an eye poke, but that was a kick.

01:56:06.000 Yeah.

01:56:06.000 Somebody that wasn't all the Jews on planet Earth.

01:56:09.000 All the Jews.

01:56:09.000 All.

01:56:10.000 All of it.

01:56:11.000 Even borrowed from other countries.

01:56:12.000 Everything.

01:56:13.000 Bro.

01:56:14.000 Juicy Vitor, though, is one of my favorite fighters to watch.

01:56:17.000 But it was a sketch.

01:56:19.000 But I think Juicy Vitor should be fighting in like one FC or something like that, where they let him be Juicy.

01:56:25.000 Yeah, go fight heavyweights or skinny guys.

01:56:29.000 Everybody's Juicy.

01:56:30.000 Yeah, go fuck around there.

01:56:31.000 But Juicy Vitor in the UFC fucked so many people.

01:56:35.000 Yeah, he fucked a lot of people up, man.

01:56:36.000 Goddamn, but he was so scary.

01:56:38.000 He was so confident.

01:56:39.000 Juicy Vitor was just throwing wheel kicks at Luke Rockhold and shit.

01:56:44.000 In his UFC debut, he received him, but boy, Luke.

01:56:47.000 But you saw how hard Luke was trying to get him back.

01:56:51.000 The three or four fights after he kept beating people, he was calling Vitor's The UFC was like, no, bro.

01:56:57.000 He's good.

01:56:58.000 Leave it alone.

01:56:59.000 Well, that was after the TRT. So when Vitor got off the TRT, then everybody was like, oh.

01:57:06.000 Give me that fight.

01:57:07.000 Give me that fight.

01:57:07.000 Well, Chris Weidman got that fight.

01:57:10.000 Chris Weidman beat the fuck out of Vitor.

01:57:12.000 And that was post-TRT. That's karma, too.

01:57:15.000 It is.

01:57:15.000 You pay the price for that shit.

01:57:16.000 Vitor's whole body had deflated.

01:57:18.000 It was crazy to see.

01:57:20.000 There was nothing left.

01:57:23.000 It was like a balloon where the air had been let out of it.

01:57:26.000 It was mushy.

01:57:27.000 In South America, they put air through the asshole of the chickens to make it look bigger and sell it for a couple bucks extra.

01:57:33.000 It looked like the air was gone.

01:57:35.000 You know, when you kill the chicken to eat it, Right, they shrink up.

01:57:40.000 And you pay like five bucks more for that shit.

01:57:42.000 But it was basically that.

01:57:44.000 It was a balloon deflated.

01:57:45.000 Well, it was worse than that, you know, because his ability was just so much superior to what it would be without that stuff.

01:57:53.000 But the thing about these guys, like the TRT was legal.

01:57:56.000 Yeah.

01:57:56.000 So it was like...

01:57:57.000 They were just...

01:57:58.000 It's almost that you're not a real bad person.

01:58:00.000 You were taking advantage of the system.

01:58:02.000 Yes, you were taking advantage of the system.

01:58:03.000 You definitely get a wild card for that.

01:58:06.000 But still.

01:58:06.000 There was also a bunch of people that were doing it.

01:58:09.000 And the way they were cheating was they were getting TRT exemptions because they had taken steroids.

01:58:15.000 So the thing about...

01:58:16.000 The steroids is, if you take the steroids, then your body stops producing testosterone, so they get tested.

01:58:23.000 And they go, oh, he has low testosterone, he needs a testosterone use exemption.

01:58:29.000 But you need it because you've been cheating your whole life.

01:58:32.000 Exactly.

01:58:32.000 And there was a lot of those guys that have been cheating from the jump.

01:58:35.000 I always say this.

01:58:36.000 I prefer to lose a hundred fights that win one by cheating.

01:58:40.000 By any means.

01:58:41.000 Yeah.

01:58:41.000 My only, you know, by any means.

01:58:43.000 Like, any little advantage you take.

01:58:45.000 Right, right.

01:58:45.000 Even if you have a doctor that tell you, like, if you mix this with that and being legal, it's still cheating.

01:58:51.000 Right.

01:58:51.000 Like, should be hard training, good recovery.

01:58:54.000 Yeah.

01:58:54.000 And a lot of fucking waves.

01:58:56.000 Yeah.

01:58:57.000 Yeah, a lot of huevos.

01:58:59.000 Yeah, that's important.

01:59:00.000 Yeah, it's very important.

01:59:01.000 I'm brain too, you know.

01:59:02.000 Toughness takes you somewhere.

01:59:03.000 Yes, right.

01:59:04.000 And after that, you need a brain that functions.

01:59:06.000 Well, to be a champion, I believe you need all those things.

01:59:08.000 You need the mind, you need the discipline, you need genetics, you need hard training, you need discipline.

01:59:15.000 The holes are closing.

01:59:17.000 The higher you go in the rankings, everything starts getting tired, tired, tired.

01:59:22.000 If you want to be Kamaru Usman, you've got to have everything.

01:59:25.000 Yeah.

01:59:25.000 You've got to have everything.

01:59:26.000 And he has everything.

01:59:28.000 He has everything.

01:59:28.000 That's why he's a champion.

01:59:29.000 That's why he's a champion.

01:59:30.000 He's got fantastic genetics.

01:59:31.000 He's got a bulletproof mind.

01:59:33.000 He's got fantastic technique, training, discipline, everything.

01:59:37.000 And he seems like he's generally a hard-fucking worker.

01:59:40.000 He's not fucking around.

01:59:41.000 He's a super nice guy, too.

01:59:43.000 I can tell.

01:59:43.000 Really, really, really nice guy.

01:59:44.000 I talked to him after the fights in New York, and I said congrats.

01:59:49.000 Seems pretty nice guy.

01:59:50.000 He's a great guy.

01:59:51.000 You know, his knees are fucked up, which is crazy.

01:59:53.000 And he's open about it.

01:59:54.000 I know.

01:59:55.000 He's like, I'll still fuck you up.

01:59:57.000 My knees are trash, but I'll still fuck you up.

02:00:00.000 But in Thailand, there's a lot of people that have no ACL. Really?

02:00:04.000 It's okay.

02:00:04.000 In Thailand?

02:00:05.000 I heard about it.

02:00:07.000 I forget the name of the guy.

02:00:09.000 I know him through a friend.

02:00:11.000 And he's like, yeah, he's gone.

02:00:12.000 No ACLs.

02:00:13.000 And he just fights.

02:00:15.000 Those guys, they don't have PTs.

02:00:18.000 They tell them, hey, bro, your elbow's swollen.

02:00:20.000 They fight every weekend.

02:00:21.000 Right.

02:00:21.000 It's just...

02:00:22.000 Lifestyle for them.

02:00:23.000 Well, I don't think Usman has a problem with his ACLs.

02:00:27.000 It's his cartilage.

02:00:28.000 He's just gone.

02:00:29.000 All his meniscus is trashed.

02:00:31.000 It's all bone-on-bone.

02:00:32.000 Why do you think about the guy that you had here before the More Plates More Day telling everybody how Usman is on everything?

02:00:40.000 I'm like, holy shit.

02:00:42.000 It's hard to believe.

02:00:43.000 I didn't see that video.

02:00:44.000 I've seen his video on Jon Jones and I've seen his video on Paulo Costa.

02:00:48.000 Jon was mad about it.

02:00:49.000 I'm sure he was.

02:00:50.000 Yeah, he was so mad.

02:00:51.000 I'm sure.

02:00:51.000 But Jon's tested positive.

02:00:53.000 Couple times.

02:00:54.000 I mean, this is his...

02:00:55.000 You know, he's explaining.

02:00:58.000 The thing about it is...

02:01:00.000 At least according to Derek.

02:01:03.000 When Derek from More Plates, More Dates talks about it, what he's saying is there's thresholds, like there's acceptable thresholds, and you can manipulate your hormones and still fall within these acceptable thresholds, and that USADA has some holes in the way they collect data.

02:01:23.000 I believe 100%.

02:01:24.000 If you have some money you can spend there, you can find a way to do it.

02:01:29.000 What he was also talking about was the fact that John had low testosterone, but he had this in his system.

02:01:37.000 And he said a lot of times when a fighter has very low testosterone, but they also have tested something in their system, he goes, it's indicative of someone that's trying to get off of something.

02:01:46.000 Now, I don't know if that's true.

02:01:48.000 I'm not a chemist.

02:01:49.000 I'm not a biologist.

02:01:51.000 I do like to research and read about it.

02:01:54.000 And then the Usman Papa was like, don't tell me that about this guy.

02:01:58.000 When I had it right here, that's the fucking guy to follow.

02:02:02.000 Don't tell me that about it.

02:02:03.000 I don't know if it's true.

02:02:04.000 It could be genetics.

02:02:06.000 Look, Francis is all genetics.

02:02:08.000 Francis Ngannou, that's all genetics, man.

02:02:10.000 Yeah, but also, that's for real.

02:02:13.000 For over many years, digging like a motherfucker.

02:02:16.000 He was on the fucking shovel.

02:02:18.000 As a young boy.

02:02:22.000 Yeah, his body developed digging sand.

02:02:25.000 When I saw him on MSG, I was a little drunk already.

02:02:28.000 I was drinking whiskey right after the fight.

02:02:30.000 And I saw him for a while.

02:02:32.000 I was like, fucking Francis, bro.

02:02:34.000 And I started grabbing him.

02:02:34.000 I'm like, you're fucking huge.

02:02:36.000 Hey, how big is your dick?

02:02:38.000 Tell me when to stop.

02:02:38.000 Tell me.

02:02:39.000 And he's like, you very funny, brother.

02:02:42.000 I was like, tell me.

02:02:43.000 Stop, tell me, stop.

02:02:44.000 And I was grabbing him.

02:02:45.000 I'm like, are you fucking real?

02:02:46.000 But I got like six shots of whiskey in my head already.

02:02:50.000 He was starting to laugh, but he's a pretty decent guy.

02:02:55.000 He don't fuck around too much.

02:02:56.000 And I was like, Francis, holy shit, dude.

02:02:59.000 I ride so many horses.

02:03:00.000 No one is as hard as you already.

02:03:03.000 He was like trying to laugh.

02:03:05.000 What do you think about his fight with Sioghan?

02:03:07.000 That's a serious fight.

02:03:08.000 That's a serious fight.

02:03:10.000 That's after Cain era.

02:03:12.000 This is the best fight of the history.

02:03:15.000 You know, we can say that because when Cain was champion, there's some fucking great fights.

02:03:19.000 I think this is a new era, like the new Cain Velasquez against Junior Dos Santos.

02:03:25.000 That motherfucker can move like a lightweight.

02:03:28.000 Yeah.

02:03:28.000 Well, Kane had the kind of cardio that only exists in lower weight classes, but he has it as a heavyweight.

02:03:35.000 It didn't even make any sense.

02:03:37.000 His cardio was crazy.

02:03:38.000 And he was able to throw head kicks, move side to side.

02:03:41.000 Yeah, everything.

02:03:41.000 He did everything.

02:03:42.000 With his boxing, I was like, holy shit.

02:03:44.000 When he was in his prime, and here's the thing about primes, when people talk about the greatest of all time, I put Kane in that category.

02:03:51.000 I don't know who's the greatest of all time.

02:03:53.000 I don't know if it's Fedor, I don't know if it's Kane, I don't know if it's Stipe.

02:03:56.000 All of them are.

02:03:56.000 Yes.

02:03:57.000 They all of them.

02:03:57.000 It doesn't exist.

02:03:58.000 Yes.

02:03:59.000 People get so fooled on the weekends.

02:04:00.000 Like, they're looking for one person.

02:04:02.000 Yeah, and they get fooled on the weekends.

02:04:03.000 Like, let's say this weekend, Conor fights and won.

02:04:07.000 They put him right there.

02:04:08.000 I'm like, guys...

02:04:10.000 Before Conor, Jose Aldo was the GOAT. Yep.

02:04:13.000 Before Jose Aldo, you know, there's always, like, in times, like, GSP, right on his time, right, a favor, like, there's always...

02:04:21.000 He was in the WC. Exactly.

02:04:21.000 And favor is way before Aldo.

02:04:24.000 Yep.

02:04:24.000 So you put them on the line.

02:04:25.000 And maybe before a favor, there was one guy in King of the Ketchup, I don't know his name right now, but there's always, like, a guy on his time.

02:04:33.000 Right, right.

02:04:33.000 So there's a GOAT for each decade, for each era.

02:04:36.000 Yeah.

02:04:37.000 When they try to, like...

02:04:38.000 This guy deleted all of them.

02:04:40.000 He's like, no, calm down.

02:04:41.000 Like, Mighty Mouse should be up there.

02:04:44.000 Yes.

02:04:44.000 That motherfucker was invincible for a long time.

02:04:46.000 He was unstoppable.

02:04:48.000 When he threw Raybor with that suplex on the armbar.

02:04:50.000 And then caught the armbar on the ground.

02:04:52.000 You better make a statue of that little motherfucker than that.

02:04:55.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:04:56.000 Yes.

02:04:57.000 They have a statue for Rocky Balboa.

02:04:58.000 I know.

02:04:59.000 I'm not George Foreman.

02:04:59.000 This is not even a real fighter.

02:05:02.000 I know, right?

02:05:05.000 I just feel like it's like an illusion.

02:05:07.000 It's like a cloud.

02:05:07.000 Every weekend, there's something cooler happen than the weekend before.

02:05:11.000 And people get so full.

02:05:13.000 And I also think that's how fighters get fucked in the head.

02:05:17.000 Because when they win on Saturday night, they think this lasts forever.

02:05:22.000 Right.

02:05:22.000 By fucking Tuesday, the only people that remember this is your fucking mom, your coach, and probably you.

02:05:28.000 Then the people look forward to the next fight.

02:05:30.000 Right.

02:05:30.000 So, you know, Saturday night, awesome, you won, cool, you celebrate.

02:05:35.000 Monday morning, that's why I say Monday morning, I go back to the horse.

02:05:39.000 You know, you keep thinking forward because that's on the bus already.

02:05:44.000 And that also happened with the rankings, with the new GOATs.

02:05:48.000 I'm like, calm down, guys.

02:05:49.000 The next weekend, you go, oh, we found a new GOAT. No, asshole.

02:05:54.000 It's the same GOAT. When one champion loses, he don't lose all his world titles before.

02:05:59.000 He loses one fight.

02:06:00.000 But how we are set with the media and with the MMA and with the rankings, it's all wrong.

02:06:08.000 Yeah, it's...

02:06:10.000 When you start talking about greatest of all time and you talk about pound for pound best, those two arguments get real weird.

02:06:17.000 Sometimes there's a clear guy.

02:06:19.000 Anderson Silva in his prime was the clear goat.

02:06:22.000 Do not move that guy from that list.

02:06:24.000 No, you can't remove him because of the later fights.

02:06:27.000 When he was fighting in London, holy shit, that fucking elbow coming from the bone.

02:06:31.000 Yeah, Tony Fricklin.

02:06:32.000 Yeah, but that's the other one thing.

02:06:35.000 These idiots that make all these things, they're not really watching MMA. They're Saturday night junkies.

02:06:42.000 They're eating popcorn.

02:06:43.000 Oh, that's a goat.

02:06:44.000 No, eat it.

02:06:45.000 You gotta watch a little bit more of it.

02:06:46.000 Like, get yourself a little more into it.

02:06:48.000 Like, read a little more.

02:06:49.000 There's more than just what happened on that Saturday night.

02:06:53.000 Yeah.

02:06:53.000 And it's so easy to forget.

02:06:55.000 Like, BJ Penn on his prime.

02:06:58.000 Mm-hmm.

02:06:58.000 Good Lord, that motherfucker was good.

02:07:00.000 Oh, my God.

02:07:00.000 It was amazing.

02:07:01.000 He fought a little past his prime.

02:07:02.000 And now it hurt me because I know him personally.

02:07:05.000 I love him.

02:07:06.000 But people that don't know him, they just remember the last four fights.

02:07:09.000 Yeah.

02:07:11.000 GSP on his prime.

02:07:13.000 He never really lost when he was on his prime, besides the Matt Serra and Matt's huge fight.

02:07:19.000 But after that, the way he dominated.

02:07:22.000 Yeah.

02:07:22.000 He was taking down wrestlers that no one take down at will.

02:07:27.000 And he had so many fights, man.

02:07:30.000 When he took two years off, or how many years off did he take before he fought Bisping?

02:07:34.000 Four years off.

02:07:35.000 Four years off and then fought Bisping.

02:07:37.000 And came back and beat a legitimate world champion in Bisping and did it finally.

02:07:42.000 It was a final solution.

02:07:45.000 I mean, it was clear cut.

02:07:47.000 He submitted him and put him to sleep.

02:07:49.000 And after he had a first round that he was eating elbows from the top, Michael Bisping fucked him up from the bottom.

02:07:56.000 And then he came back We're in the storm, and I still put him in my...

02:08:01.000 And the way he's seeing the fucking choke when he went around and took...

02:08:04.000 I was like...

02:08:05.000 Amazing.

02:08:06.000 Well, his jiu-jitsu got better.

02:08:08.000 Yes.

02:08:08.000 Because he kept training.

02:08:10.000 He trains all the time.

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:12.000 You look at his body...

02:08:13.000 He was just here.

02:08:13.000 I know.

02:08:14.000 I miss him.

02:08:14.000 He was the one that put me in contact with Dan Herr.

02:08:16.000 Ah, nice.

02:08:17.000 I text him.

02:08:17.000 I'm like, hey, I'm going to see Joe on Tuesday.

02:08:20.000 Can you send me Dan Herr's contact so I come on Friday and train the whole week with him?

02:08:24.000 And I learned some good shit.

02:08:26.000 Yeah, no, Donaher, he's an unusual person, man.

02:08:30.000 You want to talk about a resource.

02:08:32.000 Having a guy who's a PhD in philosophy, a guy who is a professor at Columbia, like a real legit genius, who gets obsessed with Jiu Jitsu, and that's all he cares about.

02:08:43.000 Yeah, but he was talking, like, even people that know him from the Gordon Ryan time, he's been training back in the day, like, he knows, like, when the Hans Renzo gym was, like, the real deal.

02:08:58.000 Like, when they were scrapping every day there, fucking even Renzo's brother was alive.

02:09:03.000 He's from back then, from the old good days.

02:09:07.000 Oh yeah.

02:09:07.000 So the experience he has is huge.

02:09:09.000 Before his body fell apart, he was very formidable.

02:09:12.000 Everybody was raving about how good his jiu-jitsu was.

02:09:16.000 He was elite.

02:09:17.000 And the way he teaches, it's step A to B. There's no crazy, you have to do all these things before.

02:09:25.000 No, it's just simple.

02:09:26.000 I was able to memorize...

02:09:30.000 So easy, whatever he was teaching.

02:09:33.000 And for day one to day four, I was like, almost remember everything.

02:09:37.000 I'm a fucking moron.

02:09:40.000 I'm not the smartest guy out there thinking about it.

02:09:42.000 I gotta focus a lot to get it together.

02:09:46.000 But the way he was teaching, I was like, wow, that's easy to learn.

02:09:49.000 Well, look at the results.

02:09:50.000 I mean, look at his star pupil, Gordon Ryan.

02:09:54.000 When have you ever heard of a guy who's 25 who's universally considered the greatest of all time in jiu-jitsu?

02:10:00.000 Yeah.

02:10:01.000 It's never happened before.

02:10:01.000 Never happened.

02:10:02.000 Never happened.

02:10:03.000 And in a place like jiu-jitsu, it's so hard.

02:10:06.000 Yeah.

02:10:06.000 Like you got Roy Gracie, Galba.

02:10:08.000 Yeah, everybody.

02:10:09.000 It's not easy.

02:10:10.000 Yeah, and people just don't want to fuck with him.

02:10:12.000 They avoid him.

02:10:14.000 No.

02:10:14.000 Peña caught him early.

02:10:16.000 Yeah.

02:10:16.000 And that's about it.

02:10:18.000 Well, a couple guys, you know, they get close early and, you know, beat him early, and now no one.

02:10:25.000 Now no one.

02:10:26.000 Now everybody, like, when a guy like him can take someone like Wagner Rocha and play with him and put a fucking triangle in an envelope and say, this is how I'm going to tap him, hands it to the commentators, and say after the fight, open that up.

02:10:43.000 It's gnarly.

02:10:44.000 What the fuck?

02:10:45.000 Who does that?

02:10:47.000 That's a little past the level of we're normally able to see.

02:10:51.000 We'll see what happens with Galbao in September.

02:10:53.000 What do you think is going to happen?

02:10:55.000 Like, it's almost, you can know what's going to happen, but Galvao is a real deal.

02:11:01.000 Galvao's a tank, too.

02:11:02.000 From the early days when Galvao was with Tarare, with Cabrinha, it was like almost impossible to think a fucking 25-year-old is going to beat him.

02:11:12.000 But he's going to train.

02:11:14.000 He better.

02:11:16.000 He will.

02:11:17.000 I know for a fact.

02:11:19.000 If he beats Galbao in September, I'm like, that's it.

02:11:22.000 Put him on the ground.

02:11:24.000 And then if he does, who's next for him?

02:11:26.000 I think he's going to gain more weight now that his stomach is not fucked up anymore.

02:11:30.000 I would talk about it too.

02:11:31.000 Yeah, his stomach is getting better.

02:11:33.000 It's not 100%, but it's pretty close.

02:11:36.000 It's way better than it was at least.

02:11:39.000 No, I know.

02:11:39.000 And I was talking to him, like, what happened with, you know, all the antibiotics he took, his bacteria was killed.

02:11:46.000 I was like, Indian is, in my opinion, is double up the fermented food, try fasting.

02:11:51.000 But, you know, go talk to a real doctor because whatever I do for myself is what I take from perfecting athletes or whatever I do from reading or whatever.

02:12:00.000 Have you had staff?

02:12:01.000 Never.

02:12:02.000 That's how he got it.

02:12:03.000 He got staff.

02:12:04.000 The thing is, it was an epidemic of staff in that Henzo school at one point in time.

02:12:09.000 That basement.

02:12:10.000 Because it's in a basement in New York City.

02:12:12.000 It doesn't get any sunlight.

02:12:13.000 He just created it.

02:12:14.000 The funk was in the air.

02:12:16.000 New York City gets moist as fuck.

02:12:18.000 I know.

02:12:19.000 And to kill all that stuff, good luck.

02:12:21.000 It's hard.

02:12:22.000 And then they're training every day.

02:12:24.000 It's a pool of sweat.

02:12:26.000 And also, who's really going to the shower right away?

02:12:29.000 Right.

02:12:30.000 I don't fuck around with that.

02:12:31.000 Yeah, you better get in there.

02:12:32.000 The moment I'm done, I finish my stretch, I'm soaping.

02:12:36.000 I'm putting the defense up all over my body.

02:12:40.000 Everywhere, everywhere.

02:12:41.000 And any kind of cuts you have, put the salve on it.

02:12:44.000 Yeah.

02:12:44.000 And you know what also helps a lot?

02:12:46.000 That color of silver.

02:12:48.000 What is it?

02:12:49.000 Colloidal silver.

02:12:50.000 Oh, colloidal silver.

02:12:52.000 There you go.

02:12:52.000 Thank you.

02:12:53.000 That helps?

02:12:53.000 Oh, I put that under my tongue every day.

02:12:56.000 But also, if I have little cuts, I put it in there.

02:12:59.000 I haven't had a ring in years.

02:13:01.000 What is colloidal silver supposed to do if you take it under your tongue?

02:13:04.000 It works good against bacteria and viruses.

02:13:08.000 Yeah?

02:13:09.000 Yeah.

02:13:10.000 So you take it under your tongue?

02:13:12.000 Well, it's like, you know, like when you put CBD drops, you put it in your tons of absorbs better.

02:13:16.000 Right.

02:13:17.000 And then you just keep it there for like 10 seconds and then swallow it.

02:13:19.000 I saw a guy that was on a TV show once where he took too much colloidal silver and his whole skin turned blue.

02:13:25.000 Oh, wow.

02:13:26.000 You ever see that?

02:13:27.000 No, but I take...

02:13:28.000 Oh, you need to see this guy.

02:13:29.000 I took whatever the fucking thing says.

02:13:31.000 This guy went off on colloidal silver.

02:13:33.000 I took like two droppers a day.

02:13:35.000 That's it.

02:13:36.000 It changed his whole like skin.

02:13:40.000 Like the egg.

02:13:40.000 He became like a smurf.

02:13:42.000 Like, look.

02:13:44.000 Holy shit.

02:13:45.000 Yeah.

02:13:47.000 That's what he used to look like.

02:13:49.000 He used to be a handsome fella.

02:13:50.000 Yeah.

02:13:50.000 Man turned blue after self-medicating colloidal silver.

02:13:53.000 Yeah.

02:13:54.000 Look at that.

02:13:55.000 Thank God I read and I don't do it just because.

02:13:58.000 Is that reversible?

02:14:00.000 Trendy supplement can damage your organs and make your skin blue.

02:14:04.000 How is it doing that?

02:14:05.000 Look at that picture right there.

02:14:06.000 Jamie, pull that one up above that guy's face where the guy's blue.

02:14:10.000 Right there.

02:14:10.000 How much it was taken?

02:14:11.000 Look how crazy that one looks on the right.

02:14:13.000 That looks like a fake person.

02:14:15.000 They'd have to be photoshopping a little bit.

02:14:17.000 I don't think so, man.

02:14:19.000 When you saw the show, it emphasizes the rest of it.

02:14:22.000 It's kind of, yeah, but how much it was taking, like a full bottle a day?

02:14:26.000 I don't know.

02:14:26.000 You have to take like a stupid amount.

02:14:29.000 Look, everything in exciteration is going to fuck you up anyway.

02:14:33.000 Yeah.

02:14:33.000 That's why even with my vitamins, I don't triple that.

02:14:37.000 You don't need to triple that.

02:14:38.000 No.

02:14:39.000 You just take one dose and you should be fine.

02:14:42.000 Train hard.

02:14:43.000 Recovery good.

02:14:44.000 Take your supplements.

02:14:45.000 Take some sun.

02:14:46.000 Walk barefoot.

02:14:47.000 Fuck a lot.

02:14:48.000 You should be fine.

02:14:50.000 Right?

02:14:50.000 Yeah, I don't think that there's a cure for that shit either.

02:14:56.000 Yeah, but see that bottle?

02:14:57.000 It looks pretty sketchy.

02:14:58.000 The one that I checked looks pretty.

02:15:01.000 I swear to God.

02:15:02.000 I used to have that fucking pee color.

02:15:04.000 The color?

02:15:05.000 No.

02:15:06.000 That's what you look like.

02:15:06.000 Oh, that bottle looks wrong.

02:15:08.000 It looks wrong.

02:15:09.000 Look at this shit.

02:15:10.000 Looks like I pee in there and I'm taking it in the morning.

02:15:13.000 Mine looks a little bit more pretty than that.

02:15:16.000 Well, there's a problem with a lot of these alternative medicines.

02:15:19.000 It's like there's not a lot of research on them.

02:15:21.000 It's hard to know what's legit and what's not legit.

02:15:24.000 Some of it's very legit.

02:15:26.000 Like garlic is really good for...

02:15:27.000 I eat garlic on everything.

02:15:29.000 Garlic is great for bacteria.

02:15:32.000 According to Wikipedia, the guy we pulled up was using homemade silver.

02:15:36.000 Oh, there you go.

02:15:37.000 Silver coleroid.

02:15:38.000 He's a fucking idiot.

02:15:39.000 What does that mean?

02:15:40.000 Colioid.

02:15:41.000 Colioid?

02:15:41.000 Yeah, it says he turned blue after he took a homemade silver chloride colioid.

02:15:46.000 And that guy brought us a silver salve on his face.

02:15:49.000 He used silver salve on his face?

02:15:51.000 An attempt to treat problems with sinus dermatitis and acid reflux.

02:15:54.000 Silver salve.

02:15:55.000 So is that what turned his skin?

02:15:57.000 Because it seemed like all of his skin, like his whole face, everything.

02:16:02.000 Yeah.

02:16:02.000 Yeah, but probably if your face is turning blue, the body just falls.

02:16:06.000 Oh, my God.

02:16:07.000 He died young, too, I believe.

02:16:08.000 Didn't he?

02:16:09.000 He suffered from heart problems for years, heavy smoker, triple bypass surgery.

02:16:15.000 Oh, there you go.

02:16:15.000 It's the same thing with...

02:16:16.000 A lot of a heart attack in 2013. Yeah.

02:16:18.000 That doesn't help either.

02:16:19.000 Not good.

02:16:20.000 How old was he when he died?

02:16:21.000 Doesn't...

02:16:27.000 He smoked a lot.

02:16:28.000 51 to 2013?

02:16:32.000 62. Live a little bit.

02:16:35.000 But it's like, don't be smoking cigarettes, eating shit, and doing your own medicine at home.

02:16:39.000 That's not going to help.

02:16:40.000 That's a bad combination.

02:16:41.000 The only medicine you can do at home is plant a couple of weed plants in your backyard.

02:16:45.000 That's the only home...

02:16:46.000 Have you grown weed yet?

02:16:47.000 No, but I will.

02:16:48.000 Yeah, it seems like a lot of work.

02:16:49.000 You gotta separate the females from the males.

02:16:52.000 But I have a full-on beautiful garden.

02:16:55.000 All the vegetables.

02:16:56.000 Oh, yeah?

02:16:56.000 Oh, I stopped going to Whole Foods for like three months.

02:16:58.000 Oh, nice.

02:16:59.000 And these fucking raccoons figured it out.

02:17:01.000 These raccoons.

02:17:02.000 They raid my garden.

02:17:04.000 Yeah, those cunts.

02:17:05.000 I bought cages.

02:17:07.000 I bought fucking pellet guns.

02:17:09.000 They're smarter than I thought.

02:17:11.000 I couldn't find them.

02:17:12.000 And then one day, I point my gun at them.

02:17:14.000 That fucker used to step up on me.

02:17:16.000 I was like, never mind.

02:17:17.000 I just go home.

02:17:18.000 He stepped up like he was ready to fight you?

02:17:20.000 Oh, ready.

02:17:20.000 Like, he just raised up.

02:17:21.000 And I was like, ah, because one pellet won't kill him.

02:17:25.000 And I'm not that accurate.

02:17:28.000 It'll hurt.

02:17:29.000 It will hurt him, but he will come charging at me.

02:17:31.000 Get a crossbow.

02:17:33.000 I need to get into that.

02:17:34.000 I want to hunt so bad.

02:17:36.000 Do you?

02:17:36.000 All my friends that hunt, they bring me food.

02:17:39.000 And my freezer is packed right now.

02:17:41.000 I would give you some food.

02:17:43.000 Oh, you know what I can give you?

02:17:44.000 I can give you some jerky.

02:17:45.000 I got some jerky here.

02:17:46.000 I'll give you some elk jerky.

02:17:47.000 My lawyer just killed an elk not a while ago.

02:17:51.000 Yeah.

02:17:51.000 And you know, normal people don't want to eat the liver.

02:17:53.000 Oh, I eat the liver.

02:17:54.000 I fucking eat the shit of that.

02:17:56.000 Yeah, liver's great.

02:17:57.000 This big.

02:17:58.000 I've been eating that every fucking day since.

02:18:00.000 So good for you.

02:18:00.000 Luke Rockhole just killed another one.

02:18:02.000 Yeah, I saw.

02:18:03.000 And give me a shit lot of ground elk.

02:18:06.000 Nice.

02:18:07.000 I'm eating liver and ground elk.

02:18:10.000 The last 20 days.

02:18:12.000 That's phenomenal for you.

02:18:13.000 I feel like a superhero.

02:18:15.000 I swear to God.

02:18:16.000 People don't get it.

02:18:18.000 Everybody that I know, when they go hunting, I'm like, please take me.

02:18:22.000 I carry your shit.

02:18:24.000 I make jokes.

02:18:25.000 I roll the joints.

02:18:26.000 I do whatever you want.

02:18:28.000 And then my lawyer told me, the way my lawyer told me to fuck off is to get a hunting license and I take you.

02:18:35.000 And he thought, I was like, I won't do it.

02:18:38.000 I call him in a week later, bro, I got the hunting license, what's up?

02:18:42.000 He's like, no way.

02:18:43.000 I'm like, come on, take me!

02:18:45.000 I don't know why they don't take me.

02:18:47.000 Well, Texas is a great place to hunt because there's so much private land here and they have these hunting ranches where they have like thousands of acres and they'll take you and teach you.

02:18:59.000 Like my friend Jesse Griffiths, he runs this, he has a restaurant out here called Dai Due.

02:19:05.000 It's an amazing restaurant.

02:19:06.000 I was supposed to go last night there.

02:19:08.000 He's the one that sells all the liver and everything.

02:19:10.000 You can eat everything there.

02:19:11.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:19:12.000 We're supposed to go last night and I just fell asleep early.

02:19:16.000 Dai Due, he has a wild game there because there's some of it that you can sell in restaurants that gets killed in Texas if it's exotic or wild hogs.

02:19:25.000 He cooks a lot of wild hogs.

02:19:27.000 But he's got this...

02:19:28.000 What is his Instagram?

02:19:33.000 Jesse's Instagram is...

02:19:34.000 He was just here, right?

02:19:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:19:38.000 I hear that one, yeah.

02:19:41.000 His coffee's good.

02:19:43.000 I forget his...

02:19:45.000 Yeah.

02:19:46.000 His Instagram, Jamie, is sac.a.late.

02:19:51.000 Yeah, which is...

02:19:52.000 I don't know.

02:19:53.000 What does that mean?

02:19:53.000 Sac.a.late.

02:19:54.000 What does that mean?

02:19:55.000 Sounds in Spanish.

02:19:56.000 The New School of Traditional Cookery is his...

02:19:59.000 That's his other Instagram.

02:20:02.000 If you click on that, that will take you to the Instagram page for his...

02:20:08.000 He teaches people how to shoot...

02:20:12.000 How to kill the animal, how to butcher it, and how to cook it.

02:20:17.000 And he specializes in wild hogs.

02:20:20.000 I'm interested in that.

02:20:21.000 Yeah, well, next time you come out here, we'll schedule a hunt with Jesse, and we'll do another podcast, and we'll cook something.

02:20:29.000 Or you tell me when's the next hunting, and I just come for that.

02:20:32.000 Okay.

02:20:32.000 Because I really, like, that's one of the things, I never do it, but it's like...

02:20:38.000 In my soul.

02:20:39.000 You want to do it.

02:20:39.000 I want to do it so bad.

02:20:40.000 Just be in the wild.

02:20:41.000 I was just like you.

02:20:42.000 I was just like you before I hunted.

02:20:44.000 Same thing.

02:20:45.000 I want to do this.

02:20:46.000 Then once I did it, I was like, oh, I'm doing this from now on.

02:20:48.000 And that's what I do.

02:20:49.000 I look forward to it so much now.

02:20:50.000 And that's how I get my meat now.

02:20:52.000 And the way I eat meat, I feel like I love cooking.

02:20:58.000 I cook every day.

02:20:59.000 How do you cook?

02:21:01.000 Just in a skillet or the Traeger.

02:21:04.000 I like the skillet because it feels more like one-on-one.

02:21:07.000 Like in the Traeger, you just leave it there, come back later, and it's done.

02:21:10.000 In the skillet, I actually have to put more skillet.

02:21:13.000 Right, right, right.

02:21:14.000 And that gets me so happy to cook.

02:21:17.000 Every time I'm cooking, I make sure I'm cooking either for my wife or for somebody because when they give me approval that the food is good, there's something about it.

02:21:25.000 I was talking to Action Bronson.

02:21:27.000 I was like, bro, send me tips.

02:21:29.000 And then he's like, just come to New York and cook with me.

02:21:31.000 And every time I'm about to cook something, I text him.

02:21:34.000 Is this right?

02:21:35.000 Is this wrong?

02:21:35.000 I'm like, I hope I'm not bugging you, but I fucking love cooking and you cook good.

02:21:39.000 Or same with Matty Matty.

02:21:40.000 So I'm like, can you guys teach me how to cook?

02:21:42.000 Because, I don't know, there's something about it that just makes me so happy.

02:21:46.000 And I feel if I kill my animal, And cook it, then I'm real horny.

02:21:52.000 I'm happy.

02:21:53.000 Yeah, you will be very, very happy.

02:21:55.000 I guarantee you.

02:21:55.000 There's just something about it that when I'm cooking a meal for my kids, for my friends, and I don't eat, I just cook and serve.

02:22:04.000 Yeah, it feels great.

02:22:05.000 It feels fucking awesome.

02:22:06.000 Well, if you do, I guarantee you, when you do hunt and you do kill an animal and then you cook it and serve it to your friends, you'll feel even more happy.

02:22:14.000 It'll take it to the next level.

02:22:15.000 Guaranteed.

02:22:16.000 100%.

02:22:17.000 I'm going to get there because it's just something about it.

02:22:20.000 That's great that you're friends with those guys, too, because that can definitely help.

02:22:23.000 Both guys are serious chefs.

02:22:24.000 Both are serious chefs.

02:22:25.000 And I definitely talk with both of them, but sometimes I'm cooking, and I'm like, action, is this right?

02:22:32.000 Is this wrong?

02:22:32.000 And I'm like, holy fuck, something little details.

02:22:35.000 I'm like, this fucking thing tastes better.

02:22:38.000 The way I like cooking is almost...

02:22:42.000 I love surfing or I love fighting.

02:22:45.000 Those three things get me out of the bed all the time.

02:22:48.000 Yeah, I love it too.

02:22:49.000 I've been cooking lately a lot over hardwood fires.

02:22:52.000 I got an Argentine style grill where you make the crank and it goes up and down.

02:22:57.000 Oh, those are great.

02:22:58.000 And I lay the fire underneath there.

02:22:59.000 Oh my God, I love it.

02:23:01.000 Every time I cook, Parillo cooks really good too.

02:23:03.000 Does he?

02:23:04.000 Or really good.

02:23:05.000 He's a great coach.

02:23:06.000 He's a man.

02:23:07.000 Very good striking coach.

02:23:09.000 I would say he took me to the next level.

02:23:13.000 Like, a hundred percent.

02:23:14.000 Like, everybody that worked with me before, they all did something, you know.

02:23:18.000 You don't take it right away from nobody.

02:23:20.000 But when I moved full-time with him, I was like, holy shit.

02:23:24.000 It's like I was doing so much for little reward.

02:23:28.000 With him, I'm doing less, but it's just effective.

02:23:33.000 What is the difference in the way he teaches?

02:23:35.000 He goes to the point.

02:23:37.000 We don't do these three-hour classes.

02:23:41.000 We don't, you know, we spar hard.

02:23:43.000 We hit me hard.

02:23:45.000 But everything comes like, you know, everybody hits the back, right?

02:23:48.000 Everybody can hit it.

02:23:50.000 But in each bag at the gym, I have a job to do.

02:23:54.000 Like, he teaches me how to work with each bag.

02:23:57.000 Sometimes, he's not in the gym, he just tells me, work on these bags and do this.

02:24:01.000 Work on the tire.

02:24:02.000 Work on the wall.

02:24:03.000 I post a lot, like me working on the wall to get the straight right hand.

02:24:08.000 Little things that before I would drill with a partner back and forth, like jab, cross, hook, back and forth.

02:24:14.000 What do you mean by on the wall?

02:24:15.000 Like, I get myself on the wall, and I throw my straight right hand without breaking my elbow on the wall.

02:24:22.000 Oh, I see.

02:24:23.000 So you put your back against the wall?

02:24:25.000 I did this this morning.

02:24:27.000 I sent it to him.

02:24:28.000 But do you back up to the wall?

02:24:30.000 I have to show you.

02:24:32.000 And then you throw?

02:24:33.000 It's this.

02:24:34.000 And the idea is to not lift your elbow up?

02:24:36.000 Yeah.

02:24:37.000 Oh, let me see.

02:24:38.000 I sent that to him.

02:24:40.000 And then, like, you have to, like, my right hand is against the wall.

02:24:45.000 And then I'm throwing, throwing, throwing.

02:24:48.000 So my right hand comes, like, straight like a piece down the middle.

02:24:51.000 Instead of, like, you charge this and then you go.

02:24:54.000 So your opponent have a second to move.

02:24:55.000 Right.

02:24:56.000 And then I do these things every day before practice.

02:25:00.000 So this is not a video.

02:25:01.000 This is a picture.

02:25:02.000 Oh, he took, oh, he probably sent me a picture.

02:25:06.000 It looks like a video, but it's just a screenshot.

02:25:09.000 Like I get in the wall.

02:25:11.000 Oh, I see.

02:25:12.000 So you put your right shoulder up against the wall so that your elbow doesn't flare out.

02:25:15.000 Yeah.

02:25:16.000 And then little things like that, like before I would do like 10 different things with a partner, and then with him it's just like little things.

02:25:26.000 But then when I'm actually sparring, I get all the benefits from it.

02:25:31.000 Like, I'm like, oh, I was hitting them.

02:25:33.000 I wasn't getting hit.

02:25:34.000 And I'm like, oh, wow.

02:25:36.000 All these, all these crazy things, all these drills, when you can just go in a small, like, you just squeeze everything together.

02:25:45.000 Yeah.

02:25:46.000 And, you know, the only way you figure it out, how good you're getting, is when you spar another good guy.

02:25:53.000 Yeah.

02:25:53.000 And then you're like, okay, you figured it out.

02:25:55.000 Do you have a Muay Thai coach, like, who works with you on your kicks and all that stuff?

02:25:59.000 Not anymore.

02:26:00.000 No?

02:26:01.000 And since I work with him, he focuses on my boxing and my bass.

02:26:06.000 My kicks are better than before.

02:26:08.000 Really?

02:26:08.000 Because I'm kicking from a balance point.

02:26:11.000 Like, if you see me lately, my calf kicks...

02:26:14.000 Yeah.

02:26:15.000 I'm not winning.

02:26:15.000 I'm just going, boom, straight to the target.

02:26:17.000 I'm sitting down on my punches and I'm able to move because some coaches before when I'm hitting mid, they tell me what to throw.

02:26:25.000 So it's like...

02:26:27.000 You know, when you're fighting, nobody's like Jabco's hook.

02:26:30.000 He goes like...

02:26:31.000 He's just weird on top.

02:26:32.000 He just goes like this.

02:26:33.000 And you just throw it.

02:26:34.000 And he's always moving with you.

02:26:36.000 And he got good footwork.

02:26:37.000 Like, himself as a fighter, he moves with you.

02:26:40.000 So, sometimes when you're hitting meat, everybody looks like Canelo when he's hitting meat.

02:26:45.000 But putting that into a real fight is a different animal.

02:26:48.000 And he's moving all the time with me.

02:26:50.000 Sometimes he shows something, and he took it off and put it on the other side.

02:26:54.000 And now you gotta stop this to come here.

02:26:56.000 And that's what, when you're sparring goes, because sometimes you want to throw and that guy's gone.

02:27:00.000 Right.

02:27:00.000 Then you got to do something else.

02:27:02.000 Interesting.

02:27:02.000 And then I feel balanced.

02:27:04.000 And then the best thing about him is the fucking shit he talks.

02:27:09.000 Not in a bad way.

02:27:10.000 He talks.

02:27:11.000 Good shit.

02:27:11.000 He gets in your mind.

02:27:12.000 Yeah.

02:27:12.000 And it's like, holy shit.

02:27:14.000 He gets you hard in a lot of ways.

02:27:16.000 He will just talk to you.

02:27:18.000 And...

02:27:19.000 You know, he's the one, you know, he grabbed B-spin, making him a champion.

02:27:26.000 RDA have a great run with him.

02:27:28.000 Cyber.

02:27:29.000 You know, monkey see, monkey do, you know.

02:27:31.000 I don't want to go with a coach that have a thousand fighters.

02:27:34.000 I want to go with a coach that have a couple ones, but each of them get to the point, which is the bell.

02:27:39.000 Yeah.

02:27:39.000 I was at a point that I was like, I'm winning fights and I'm feeling a little short in some decisions.

02:27:44.000 I wasn't getting killed, but I'm like, I need a coach to just step me up.

02:27:49.000 And it's paying off.

02:27:51.000 Do you work with anybody on kicks?

02:27:53.000 Or do you just do them yourself?

02:27:54.000 I kick a lot.

02:27:55.000 We work a lot in the back, and in the back, I kind of freestyle.

02:27:59.000 I throw my punches and my kicks.

02:28:01.000 And of course, when I'm sparring, I go full-on punches, kicks, and ground.

02:28:06.000 But you just do your boxing with Perillo, and then your kick's 100% you.

02:28:11.000 Well, he make me kick, too.

02:28:13.000 But think about it.

02:28:14.000 B-spin is a kickboxer, right?

02:28:18.000 Because I did ask Bisping, I'm like, how do you do with the kicks?

02:28:21.000 I'm like, Barilo will figure it out for you.

02:28:23.000 And Bisping kick until the end.

02:28:25.000 Right.

02:28:26.000 So it's not like he take away the kicks from you.

02:28:28.000 He just give you a little better base so you can kick even more.

02:28:32.000 Right.

02:28:32.000 Like the way he make you sit, he don't make you sit like a boxer.

02:28:36.000 He don't make you bend on the waist or do like all the things that boxer does because there's things coming down the middle.

02:28:40.000 kicks, knees, and even my elbows.

02:28:44.000 He said I'm a coach.

02:28:46.000 I'm throwing more elbows than before.

02:28:47.000 - Really? - In the debut grand fire, he's slicing him open from the stand-up.

02:28:52.000 - Do you think there's any benefit at all occasionally working with someone on your kicks?

02:28:56.000 - Probably, like I will feel What I'm saying is, if you think about how he's improving your punching, imagine if you had someone who's similar to him but with kicks.

02:29:09.000 I'll have to find that first.

02:29:10.000 Yeah.

02:29:10.000 But there's people around.

02:29:12.000 Well, you're close to Mesa.

02:29:13.000 There's so much martial arts in your area.

02:29:15.000 There's a lot.

02:29:16.000 Yeah.

02:29:16.000 The only thing that sometimes I feel like when, if I go to a kickboxing coach, like he can improve my kicks, but he can also get in my head like, hey, don't do this, do this.

02:29:26.000 So like, I just feel right now, everything is working together.

02:29:31.000 And we communicate pretty good.

02:29:33.000 So I'm like, if everything is working now, why add another voice to my ear?

02:29:38.000 I just always feel like, yeah, adding another voice to your ear is probably not the best thing, but just someone to maybe occasionally tighten up technique.

02:29:45.000 I feel the same way about what Perello's done to your boxing.

02:29:50.000 I feel like if no one's working with you on your kicks, it's probably someone who could tweak a few things here and there and make your kicks even more effective.

02:29:58.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:29:58.000 And I'm definitely open for that.

02:30:01.000 This is like me as a person who's...

02:30:04.000 Very interested in kicks.

02:30:05.000 That's why I asked you today if you're working out.

02:30:07.000 I was about to ask you, because I love sidekicks and spinning wheel kicks.

02:30:11.000 I throw a lot of sidekicks in the fights, I don't really throw spinning wheel kicks.

02:30:15.000 Well, next time you come here, we'll have a full gym.

02:30:17.000 Yeah.

02:30:17.000 We're setting it up right now.

02:30:19.000 Perfect.

02:30:19.000 So next time, I'll be happy to come here.

02:30:22.000 I just had a crazy day today.

02:30:23.000 No, and I also, when I texted you, you told me you're working a letter.

02:30:27.000 I went straight to the gym.

02:30:28.000 I did all that.

02:30:29.000 I did the boxing.

02:30:30.000 I did some weights.

02:30:31.000 Nice.

02:30:32.000 But like, you know, I'm always trying to figure it out, the next step, how to get better.

02:30:40.000 That's one thing he always says, there's always room to improvement.

02:30:44.000 That's the thing about working with elite fighters too, because you get to see people that are so good and you get to realize that there's certain things they do better than you.

02:30:53.000 If you just work with guys that are not as good as you, It's very difficult to get really, really elite, to get really good.

02:31:01.000 Me personally, that's one thing I caught a lot from my circle.

02:31:05.000 If you don't uplift me, if you're not trying to do something huge for your life, I don't hang out with you.

02:31:10.000 You know that Kobe Bryant, there's a famous video where he's talking about lazy people.

02:31:16.000 About being around lazy people.

02:31:17.000 Get the fuck away from me.

02:31:19.000 I don't want to have nothing to do with you.

02:31:21.000 That might be contagious.

02:31:23.000 It is contagious.

02:31:24.000 Because they brought you down at their level.

02:31:27.000 Even if you don't want that.

02:31:28.000 For me, if I caught somebody from my life and they feel weird about it, it's not for a reason that they're not trying hard or they're not figuring it out.

02:31:39.000 Well, that mindset of a loser is very contagious, and also they require too much attention, too much energy.

02:31:46.000 You know, it's so hard to see when someone makes excuses and you try to talk to them and say, hey man, you can't think like this, and then they go right back to it.

02:31:54.000 You're like, okay, I don't know what the fuck to tell you, but I don't have any time for this.

02:31:57.000 A hundred percent.

02:31:58.000 I just don't have time.

02:32:00.000 I have one or two conversations.

02:32:02.000 If I really love you, I'm going to tell you, like, hey, this is not working.

02:32:05.000 You should get better.

02:32:06.000 And you should jump right on that advice.

02:32:09.000 I go straight to the point.

02:32:11.000 But if that person just is content where they're at, they will...

02:32:16.000 Or they make excuses for why.

02:32:18.000 Well, the reason why is this.

02:32:20.000 How many fighters go after the fight?

02:32:24.000 Most likely when they lose.

02:32:25.000 They say like, oh, during camp my rib, during camp my feet.

02:32:29.000 Right.

02:32:30.000 That's a fucking excuse.

02:32:31.000 You lose, you lose.

02:32:32.000 Just take it like a man.

02:32:34.000 How about Paulo Costa?

02:32:35.000 He had like a hundred of them.

02:32:36.000 The wine.

02:32:37.000 Yeah.

02:32:38.000 Or the boxer that wants to lose...

02:32:40.000 Tianté?

02:32:41.000 Holy shit.

02:32:41.000 Oh my god, that was the worst.

02:32:42.000 I was like, shut the fuck up.

02:32:44.000 He said he got poisoned, the thing weighed too much.

02:32:47.000 But at least he didn't have excuses after the second fight.

02:32:49.000 The second fight, we got knocked out again, or the third fight.

02:32:52.000 You shouldn't have.

02:32:53.000 If you have excuses again, you...

02:32:54.000 I just think he couldn't believe that Tyson Fury put it on him like that.

02:32:58.000 I couldn't believe that.

02:32:59.000 I can see that from Deontay.

02:33:00.000 But when you watch the first fight, Tyson was boxing until the 12th round.

02:33:05.000 He got dropped in the 12th round, he got up, and then he chased after Deontay.

02:33:08.000 And then in that round, he realized how to fight Wilder.

02:33:11.000 And then the second fight, that's the only way he fought him, and he beat the shit out of him.

02:33:14.000 Just put pressure on him.

02:33:15.000 And then the third fight, I mean, Deontay had his moments.

02:33:19.000 That fucking right hand is something, man.

02:33:21.000 He definitely...

02:33:22.000 He got the power, but he don't have the boxing skill.

02:33:25.000 Well, he's...

02:33:27.000 He's working on that.

02:33:29.000 Because Tyson can pimp like a motherfucker.

02:33:31.000 He can move side to side.

02:33:33.000 He does everything.

02:33:34.000 He does everything.

02:33:35.000 He's just ahead.

02:33:36.000 Because power, it's like a blessing.

02:33:39.000 But the rest, you have to work for that.

02:33:41.000 It's a blessing, but it's kind of a curse in that you rely on it so much.

02:33:45.000 And really, it should come out of nowhere.

02:33:47.000 And you should almost, like, if you have power, you should train like you don't.

02:33:50.000 Train like you don't.

02:33:51.000 Train like you have to be a boxer and then let it come when it's there.

02:33:54.000 Because you gotta work on a skill.

02:33:55.000 Yes.

02:33:56.000 You have to work on a skill.

02:33:57.000 There's guys that have power that also have defensive movement and skill.

02:34:02.000 Like that's why Canelo is so exceptional.

02:34:04.000 Canelo has everything.

02:34:06.000 He's got power and he's got ridiculous defense.

02:34:11.000 Oh my God.

02:34:11.000 It's beautiful to watch.

02:34:12.000 Everything he does.

02:34:13.000 Everything he does.

02:34:15.000 For a minute he's pimping.

02:34:16.000 Yeah.

02:34:17.000 Then he fucking go Mike Tyson on you.

02:34:19.000 Yeah.

02:34:19.000 And then he bend at Holy fuck.

02:34:22.000 That's fucking beauty to watch.

02:34:23.000 That Danny Jacobs fight where he was like slipping all those punches standing right in front of him.

02:34:27.000 It's just, it's gorgeous.

02:34:29.000 That probably was the best to watch.

02:34:32.000 The best defensive movement, head movement I think I've ever seen from a middleweight.

02:34:37.000 That punchy crack homeboy's eye.

02:34:39.000 Holy shit.

02:34:42.000 I thought his eye was coming out of the fucking eye.

02:34:44.000 It was ruthless.

02:34:45.000 His whole face, have you seen what it looked like?

02:34:48.000 His whole face was completely shattered.

02:34:50.000 He's a fucking cyborg now, all fucking better.

02:34:53.000 Yeah, all metal and screwed into place and to keep his head together.

02:34:56.000 The one with Colette Plant, it was like, holy shit.

02:35:00.000 Bro, he's a killer.

02:35:00.000 He's a straight-up killer.

02:35:01.000 The crazy thing is now he wants to go to Cruiserweight, and Usyk said he wants to fight him at Cruiserweight.

02:35:06.000 I don't know if he wants to take that fight.

02:35:08.000 I feel at this point, taking that fight will only make you better.

02:35:13.000 Let's see he lose there.

02:35:14.000 Yeah.

02:35:15.000 He got nothing to lose.

02:35:16.000 Right.

02:35:17.000 But think about the reward.

02:35:18.000 If you put risk against reward, taking that risk.

02:35:22.000 If he can beat Usyk, Jesus Christ.

02:35:25.000 He's the greatest of all time if he beats Usyk.

02:35:27.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:35:28.000 If he loses a fight, he's like, I try, fuck you.

02:35:31.000 If he goes and wins, good lord.

02:35:34.000 Usyk is phenomenal.

02:35:36.000 He's so good.

02:35:37.000 He's real, too.

02:35:38.000 He's so good.

02:35:39.000 And he's big.

02:35:40.000 He's so good.

02:35:40.000 He's very big.

02:35:42.000 But that's the thing about Canelo.

02:35:43.000 He seems...

02:35:45.000 To keep having the hunger that he had before sleeping on a nice bed.

02:35:50.000 So that's what keep him alive.

02:35:53.000 Well, not just that, but also he's like looking at it very calculated.

02:35:56.000 Like he wants these challenges to take these chances.

02:35:59.000 Caleb Plant was the biggest challenge in his legitimate weight class.

02:36:04.000 He had 168 pounds.

02:36:05.000 And then he decided...

02:36:06.000 Well, he also has Arthur Beterbev.

02:36:09.000 That guy's a motherfucker.

02:36:10.000 I don't know that one.

02:36:11.000 You don't know who he is?

02:36:12.000 Not that one.

02:36:12.000 Holy shit.

02:36:13.000 Pull up Arthur Bitterbeev's highlights.

02:36:17.000 He's this Russian assassin.

02:36:20.000 He's fucking terrifying.

02:36:21.000 He's the light heavyweight champion.

02:36:23.000 Just by being a Russian, you're already tough.

02:36:25.000 This guy is a motherfucker.

02:36:27.000 He's one of the most murderous punchers ever in the history of the light heavyweight division.

02:36:30.000 He's 100% knockouts.

02:36:32.000 All of his fights are knockouts.

02:36:34.000 That's scary.

02:36:35.000 This motherfucker is terrifying.

02:36:37.000 I mean, he puts people in wars.

02:36:40.000 See if you feel like a highlight because I want to see him in real time.

02:36:44.000 Is this a highlight video?

02:36:46.000 Like the guys I watch for myself?

02:36:50.000 Watch this motherfucker.

02:36:52.000 He hits guys with seemingly normal punches and just murders them.

02:36:57.000 And he takes it to everybody.

02:36:59.000 Every fight's a fucking war.

02:37:00.000 And he's been dropped.

02:37:01.000 He's been dropped in fights because he forces guys to fight these chaotic wars with him.

02:37:07.000 But he eventually crushes everybody.

02:37:09.000 He's a real dog.

02:37:10.000 I'm pretty sure his win ratio is 100% by KO. See if you can Google that.

02:37:18.000 Because I don't think anybody's made it to the final bell with him.

02:37:20.000 He seems like he's very aggressive.

02:37:22.000 Oh my god, he's super aggressive.

02:37:24.000 He's super aggressive, super conditioned, but he's 36 or 37 now.

02:37:30.000 And you know...

02:37:31.000 It's about to start leaving him.

02:37:34.000 Yeah, it's going to eventually go away.

02:37:36.000 See if you find his Wikipedia.

02:37:43.000 Because I'm pretty sure...

02:37:46.000 The guys that I watch for myself, that I want to mimic, is Eric Morales and Roberto Duran.

02:37:52.000 Those are the two guys.

02:37:54.000 Duran in the lightweight days.

02:37:56.000 That's the real prime.

02:37:57.000 That's the real prime.

02:37:58.000 Yeah, people think of him as a welterweight, but Duran in the lightweight days, so he's 100% undefeated, and I'm pretty sure they're all knockouts.

02:38:06.000 Yeah, they all are.

02:38:07.000 They're all knockouts, which is fucking wild.

02:38:10.000 What is RTD? Referee technical...

02:38:15.000 What does that mean?

02:38:15.000 It says corner retirement.

02:38:17.000 Oh, corner...

02:38:17.000 So the guy quit.

02:38:18.000 Yeah, so it's the same.

02:38:19.000 It's the same thing.

02:38:20.000 It's a KO. Yeah, all knockouts.

02:38:24.000 And the motherfucker just puts it on people, man.

02:38:27.000 And they're talking about him fighting Canelo, too.

02:38:29.000 But it's, again, it's one of those things.

02:38:31.000 If he's going to fight Canelo, I want to see him fight Canelo now.

02:38:35.000 Now.

02:38:36.000 Not in five years.

02:38:37.000 Not in 41. Right.

02:38:39.000 I'll show you in that one.

02:38:39.000 Yeah.

02:38:41.000 If he fights him now, it's a very interesting fight.

02:38:43.000 Because he's all KO. He's all KO and he's so fucking aggressive, man.

02:38:48.000 Bitterbeev is terrifying.

02:38:49.000 For me, that's the only way to fight.

02:38:50.000 Yeah.

02:38:51.000 That's what I like to do.

02:38:53.000 I don't like going for a walk.

02:38:55.000 I go straight at the point.

02:38:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:38:58.000 And most guys, lately, they wrestle me.

02:39:02.000 That's why I'm focused on getting that part also shared, because...

02:39:05.000 Who are you working with with your wrestling?

02:39:07.000 Daryl Christians helped me with the Greco, and then this guy from Up North, EZ Silver, I've been working with him lately for the freestyle, because...

02:39:15.000 I use a lot of offenses, body lock.

02:39:17.000 That's how I like to take people down.

02:39:19.000 But most people will attack me with double legs or single legs.

02:39:23.000 And that's the part I'm working with this other guy from Fresno State.

02:39:27.000 Fresno State have great wrestling.

02:39:29.000 So is your regular camp, when you're in camp, how is your camp structured?

02:39:36.000 Are you doing strength and conditioning?

02:39:38.000 Everything.

02:39:39.000 How many days a week are you doing that?

02:39:41.000 Like, weights, conditioning.

02:39:43.000 I work with this guy named Corey Beasley.

02:39:45.000 I've been working with him since I moved to college, so six years.

02:39:48.000 He works on, you know, power, strength, you know, we use kettlebells, Bulgarian sandbags.

02:39:54.000 We squat a lot.

02:39:55.000 I'm a squat person.

02:39:56.000 I can squat all the time.

02:39:58.000 I believe that gets your testosterone higher.

02:40:01.000 I believe that brings explosion and everything.

02:40:04.000 Deadlifts as well.

02:40:04.000 Of course, those too.

02:40:06.000 Those two things really do.

02:40:07.000 Those are the kings.

02:40:08.000 Yeah.

02:40:08.000 On real power.

02:40:10.000 And I personally, that's what I crave.

02:40:12.000 I tell him all the time, like, out of camp, let's lift heavy.

02:40:15.000 But of course, you got to listen to the coaches to get results.

02:40:18.000 So he planned me out.

02:40:20.000 We worked twice a week with him.

02:40:21.000 And then on top of that, I do all my running.

02:40:24.000 I find time to do that.

02:40:26.000 It's either four in the morning or late at night.

02:40:30.000 So you run all through camp?

02:40:32.000 I run year round.

02:40:34.000 Year round?

02:40:35.000 I run in five weeks.

02:40:36.000 Really?

02:40:37.000 Oh yeah.

02:40:37.000 No kidding.

02:40:38.000 Because I think about things.

02:40:40.000 I let my brain flow.

02:40:42.000 Things I want to say, things I want.

02:40:43.000 Like a meditation.

02:40:44.000 Exactly.

02:40:44.000 But then I work every morning with Perillo, Monday through Friday in the morning.

02:40:50.000 And then every Sunday I figured out my scale, where to put jiu-jitsu, where to put wrestling.

02:40:55.000 And I make like a map of every single day, take a picture, send it to Parillo.

02:41:01.000 So I'm like, hey coach, what days do you want me to spar and what days do you want me to go hard?

02:41:06.000 To put in a different day, hard wrestling or hard grappling.

02:41:09.000 Because for Jiu Jitsu, I go with the Mendes bros.

02:41:12.000 Oh, great.

02:41:13.000 Those fucking guys are wizards.

02:41:14.000 Killers, man.

02:41:15.000 Killers.

02:41:15.000 And lately, Hafa has been coming to help me.

02:41:19.000 Yeah?

02:41:19.000 Because Gi is like who corners me and, you know, teach me.

02:41:23.000 But Hafa has been making like a comeback to the gym.

02:41:26.000 And we were doing Nogi, just me and him, for one hour.

02:41:29.000 Wow.

02:41:30.000 Good luck trying to score an opponent to that fucking guy.

02:41:33.000 Sometimes he's like, he asked me, you want to keep going?

02:41:36.000 I'm like, you know, I'm a fighter.

02:41:38.000 I keep going.

02:41:38.000 I try as hard as I can.

02:41:40.000 But then I'm like, let's just drill.

02:41:42.000 Like, teach me from here, from there.

02:41:45.000 And that's a guy that won ADCC without any no-gi experience.

02:41:50.000 All he won was in the gi.

02:41:51.000 And he went overnight to ADCC and won that.

02:41:54.000 So that's impressive.

02:41:55.000 His technique is so pristine.

02:41:56.000 So perfect.

02:41:57.000 His wrestling.

02:41:58.000 Sometimes I shoot and I'm deep on a double leg and I'm going like a mad dog trying to take him down.

02:42:02.000 And he just go to my back and choke me.

02:42:05.000 I don't know how he do it.

02:42:07.000 He do some crazy shit like that.

02:42:09.000 Sometimes I feel like, oh, finally, I'm going to get lucky today.

02:42:13.000 And he just figured it out.

02:42:14.000 And he always told me like, hey, don't you focus about, you never defend.

02:42:20.000 Somebody's attacking you, you attack them.

02:42:22.000 So the mindset that he has is like, always attack.

02:42:26.000 Your defense is your attack.

02:42:27.000 So every time I'm rolling with him and I'm attacking something, He's already doing something else.

02:42:32.000 And then we stop.

02:42:33.000 He's playing me some things.

02:42:34.000 We go again live.

02:42:35.000 He's playing me some things.

02:42:37.000 It's like, holy shit.

02:42:38.000 They both kick my ass so hard.

02:42:40.000 It's so interesting when you're working with total specialists, right?

02:42:43.000 Like whether it's with boxing or jujitsu.

02:42:46.000 Like someone who's a specialist.

02:42:47.000 And you realize how many layers there are.

02:42:49.000 And how many levels there are.

02:42:51.000 Sometimes I bring MMA gloves, like the puffy ones.

02:42:55.000 And I'm trying to crack their head.

02:42:57.000 They still, you know, because they told me, like, Hamon Lemons used to coach Anderson Silva.

02:43:04.000 That's the guy who kind of, like, made them.

02:43:07.000 That's his uncle.

02:43:08.000 Anderson Silva was taken down by Cormier, and he didn't eat a punch.

02:43:12.000 So that's how good...

02:43:14.000 Like, he wasn't...

02:43:16.000 Remember when he triangled Chael Sonnen on the fight he was losing?

02:43:19.000 Exactly.

02:43:19.000 He would lose four rounds in four minutes.

02:43:22.000 Yeah.

02:43:23.000 And then, boop!

02:43:24.000 Caught that triangle at the end of the fight.

02:43:25.000 The things like...

02:43:26.000 Anderson was so good in the stand-up that his jiu-jitsu was overrated.

02:43:31.000 Underrated.

02:43:31.000 Underrated, sorry.

02:43:32.000 Yeah.

02:43:32.000 Nobody knew how good he was, but I'm a fucking nerd.

02:43:35.000 Even when I was in Ecuador, I knew Jamon Lemons was, like, the guy.

02:43:39.000 Yeah.

02:43:39.000 So I told myself, if I move to Cali one day, I want to train with the Mendez brothers.

02:43:43.000 Nice.

02:43:44.000 And I've been with them for a couple years now, and they're fucking good.

02:43:50.000 Is everything in the general area near you?

02:43:53.000 My house is a mile away from Ruka.

02:43:56.000 Oh, nice.

02:43:57.000 The headquarters where I talk with Parillo, and the Mendez Bros are literally a mile away from Ruka.

02:44:02.000 Oh, beautiful.

02:44:03.000 So I bike sometimes to...

02:44:06.000 I have electric bikes, and I just go near them.

02:44:09.000 Oh, that's nice.

02:44:10.000 And then that's what I plan.

02:44:13.000 I do three or four grappling classes a week.

02:44:15.000 I train every morning with Perillo.

02:44:17.000 And the opposite day of sparring, I just wrestle my ass off.

02:44:21.000 I bring a couple of high school kids that fucking kick my ass so I can get used to that scrambling pressure.

02:44:27.000 And, you know, we just go.

02:44:29.000 And then, you know, conditioning twice a week.

02:44:32.000 But I don't have anything else outside this.

02:44:36.000 There's no...

02:44:38.000 There's no social life.

02:44:40.000 I'm training.

02:44:41.000 I set myself I want to be a world champion.

02:44:43.000 This is it.

02:44:44.000 How old are you now?

02:44:45.000 29. Just turned 29. So you're right about in your athletic prime right now.

02:44:50.000 Yeah, so this is the time.

02:44:52.000 I got to take advantage of these years because this year will be gone soon.

02:44:55.000 So now is when I keep...

02:44:57.000 It's gym, family.

02:45:00.000 Going back to the gym.

02:45:01.000 Sleep, going back to the gym.

02:45:03.000 So there's nothing.

02:45:05.000 And it's Monday through Monday.

02:45:07.000 I don't believe in breaks or stuff like that.

02:45:10.000 If you're doing it right, if you're not drinking, if you're not fucking around, you can pull it off.

02:45:16.000 And I feel right now my next fight is the one that will take me to the belt.

02:45:21.000 What is your next fight?

02:45:23.000 I think they will give me many bang next.

02:45:26.000 And I believe- They'll give you who?

02:45:28.000 Like a many bang next.

02:45:30.000 Many bang?

02:45:31.000 Like a many bang, like a five rounder.

02:45:33.000 Oh, main event.

02:45:34.000 There you go.

02:45:35.000 Thank you, sir.

02:45:35.000 I thought you were saying someone's name.

02:45:37.000 I'm like, who is this?

02:45:38.000 Yeah, it's a Russian guy.

02:45:39.000 Matty Bang?

02:45:40.000 Yeah.

02:45:41.000 Manny Pacquiao.

02:45:42.000 Yeah, main event.

02:45:44.000 Seems like we're going that route, most likely in February.

02:45:49.000 And the good thing about it is since the Frankie fight, there was no time off vacation.

02:45:56.000 I went straight back to the gym.

02:45:58.000 And today, right now, if I have to fight next week, I can make weight and I can fight.

02:46:03.000 When you think about the beginning of your career and then you think about beating Frankie Edgar, In MSG. MSG makes everything twice harder and better and cooler.

02:46:16.000 But it must have been almost surreal, right?

02:46:19.000 It was surreal.

02:46:20.000 That whole fight week, I was feeling weird.

02:46:24.000 I was so happy.

02:46:26.000 I was so excited about the moment that for a minute I thought I'm going to lose this fight.

02:46:31.000 I feel too loose.

02:46:32.000 I feel too good.

02:46:33.000 I feel like everything is perfect.

02:46:35.000 I was happy.

02:46:36.000 I was like, wait a minute.

02:46:37.000 Normally you want to be a little anxious, nervous, but I think it was New York energy that put me there.

02:46:44.000 I was just waking up every day.

02:46:47.000 Good.

02:46:47.000 I was ready to fight.

02:46:49.000 Then I went in the next Saturday night, waiting the whole day because I was in the fight before the common event, so I fought late night.

02:46:57.000 So the whole day, just sitting down in my room, I was like, holy shit, I'm about to fight in MSG. Like, there's nothing bigger than that.

02:47:06.000 No.

02:47:06.000 There's no second arena.

02:47:08.000 No.

02:47:08.000 It's MSG and the rest.

02:47:09.000 Right.

02:47:11.000 And for me, just knowing all the Ali, all the big fights that happened there, all the big concerts that happened there, I'm like, I'm a fucking guy from Ecuador about to blow the fucking roof.

02:47:23.000 I was like, now is when?

02:47:25.000 I told myself, and I'm pretty hard on me.

02:47:28.000 If you don't win this fight, be ready just to be the guy that is around.

02:47:34.000 I told myself like that.

02:47:36.000 You lose this fight.

02:47:37.000 You're fucked.

02:47:38.000 There's no second chances.

02:47:40.000 There's not another MSG card for you.

02:47:42.000 You lose this fight.

02:47:44.000 You lose your ticket to the belt.

02:47:46.000 What do you rank now?

02:47:48.000 Eight.

02:47:49.000 And so who's above...

02:47:50.000 Let me see.

02:47:51.000 Can you pull up the bantamweight...

02:47:54.000 Record though the rankings so yeah, so look at you got ahead of you Dominic who just won Dominic look good.

02:48:05.000 It look good.

02:48:06.000 Yeah, look good.

02:48:07.000 It looks like Dominic of old My fight with Aldo last December mm-hmm that was close very close that was close and if you see how Aldo kicks fund us It's like, tells me, put me in a good spot because it's like, with me, it was a fight that I definitely lose the fight on getting my back taken, but I wasn't getting...

02:48:29.000 Fucked up.

02:48:30.000 And I felt that I was trying so hard to escape.

02:48:33.000 You know, if I stand up and throw him in the ground, I'm punching, even if he's from behind, I'm trying to do more.

02:48:39.000 And that's one fight I've been asking for, do it again, but I think they will match him with TJ. Peter will fight Aljamain.

02:48:48.000 Yep.

02:48:49.000 And it's only four, five, and six available.

02:48:53.000 Yeah, and then Corey has, he's got to fight somebody else again.

02:48:57.000 Murab looked great in his last fight too.

02:49:00.000 Against Marlon Murab.

02:49:01.000 Holy shit, that was crazy, right?

02:49:03.000 Marlon almost had him out.

02:49:05.000 Marlon emptied the gas tank.

02:49:06.000 He have one gas tank.

02:49:08.000 He emptied that one.

02:49:09.000 I think he cuts too much weight.

02:49:11.000 He's a 45er.

02:49:12.000 He's so big.

02:49:13.000 He's 5'1", but he's built like a gridlock.

02:49:16.000 He's a tank.

02:49:17.000 He looks like a pit bull.

02:49:18.000 He should go to 45, and I'm sure he will have a good career there.

02:49:21.000 What does he weigh when he walks around, do you think?

02:49:23.000 I don't know, but that fucker is twice as me.

02:49:25.000 He looks like 160, 170. He's huge.

02:49:27.000 Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

02:49:29.000 And the thing with him is like, he can fucking punch.

02:49:32.000 He have a break.

02:49:33.000 He can fucking kick too, man.

02:49:34.000 He can everything.

02:49:35.000 Yeah.

02:49:36.000 But he can only do it once.

02:49:37.000 Yeah.

02:49:38.000 If he don't stop you like he did with Starling or Jimmy Rivera.

02:49:42.000 Or Cejudo.

02:49:43.000 Same thing.

02:49:44.000 Yeah, but Cejudo did that to him.

02:49:46.000 Right, but in the same first round, he couldn't stop him.

02:49:49.000 He looked like a fucking murderer.

02:49:50.000 And then the second round, he just faded.

02:49:52.000 And part I give that to Cejudo, because Cejudo's an animal.

02:49:55.000 He has a champion mentality.

02:49:57.000 Yeah, he's an animal.

02:49:58.000 Cejudo is...

02:49:59.000 You cannot make that man quit.

02:50:02.000 No.

02:50:02.000 There's no quitting in him.

02:50:03.000 Zero.

02:50:04.000 You have to kill him.

02:50:05.000 And he is a fucking...

02:50:06.000 He's just so savage as a competitor, but...

02:50:09.000 In the beginning, I thought, who the fuck?

02:50:12.000 I'm like, Marlon Marais is a straight-up killer.

02:50:14.000 And I will keep bringing this over and over.

02:50:17.000 It's a mindset.

02:50:18.000 You're just getting your ass kicked, but if you stay on the fight, if that fucking belt haven't ringed, you're still having a chance.

02:50:25.000 When he knocked out Jimmy Rivera with that switch kick to the head, and then the same shit to Aljamain.

02:50:30.000 When Aljamain went to sleep like that, and now Aljo's the champion...

02:50:34.000 Marlon can do that to anybody.

02:50:36.000 He's got to make an adjustment.

02:50:39.000 People figure it out.

02:50:40.000 He has one sprint.

02:50:42.000 Right, but why?

02:50:43.000 Why does he stay so muscular?

02:50:45.000 If he just lost a little bit of weight, don't you think he would be able to maintain that better?

02:50:49.000 Some people just build like that.

02:50:51.000 That's what I say.

02:50:52.000 I've been saying this for years.

02:50:53.000 Go to 45, bro.

02:50:55.000 You should go to 45. You're acting like a weak man.

02:50:59.000 You're coming down to be the bigger man.

02:51:02.000 Even if he's tiny, he's huge.

02:51:04.000 When things don't go his way, though, it usually ends.

02:51:08.000 He quit.

02:51:09.000 He gets beat up.

02:51:10.000 Like, Rob Font fucked him up.

02:51:11.000 That was a big one.

02:51:13.000 But the Marab fight was crazy.

02:51:15.000 I was there.

02:51:16.000 I thought for sure he had Marab out in that first round.

02:51:19.000 It looked close to being stopped.

02:51:21.000 I was there.

02:51:21.000 It was really close to being stopped.

02:51:23.000 But I also...

02:51:24.000 I was with a friend.

02:51:26.000 I was like, look.

02:51:27.000 If Marab get a hold of his leg and just hug him, he quit in the next round.

02:51:33.000 Marab.

02:51:33.000 You want to talk about immigrant mentality.

02:51:35.000 That motherfucker's got it, too.

02:51:36.000 He's got it.

02:51:37.000 I'm going to tell you one thing.

02:51:38.000 Guys like that, guys like Peter Jan...

02:51:43.000 I wake up every day thinking I'm going to fight one of those three guys next.

02:51:57.000 Well, that's a good way to think because they're in your wheelhouse.

02:52:01.000 They are.

02:52:02.000 That could be your next big fight.

02:52:03.000 One of those guys could be your next big fight.

02:52:05.000 I think St. Hagen is going to be next.

02:52:07.000 You think so?

02:52:08.000 I really believe so.

02:52:10.000 And if it's any other guy, I'll be taking it.

02:52:14.000 And do you believe that's going to be February?

02:52:15.000 So that'll be the Houston card?

02:52:17.000 Maybe.

02:52:18.000 Oh, Houston.

02:52:19.000 Yeah, that's Houston.

02:52:21.000 I think that's a pay-per-view.

02:52:23.000 Yeah.

02:52:24.000 That's a...

02:52:24.000 I think my favorite would be in Vegas.

02:52:27.000 Oh, you think so?

02:52:28.000 I believe so.

02:52:28.000 Oh, so that'll be probably March?

02:52:31.000 I heard February.

02:52:32.000 There's a February UFC card?

02:52:34.000 Yeah, in Vegas.

02:52:35.000 In Vegas?

02:52:35.000 Oh, so there's going to be two pay-per-views in that month?

02:52:38.000 I believe it's a fight night.

02:52:39.000 Oh, a fight night.

02:52:40.000 I'm just speaking of my thoughts.

02:52:42.000 Yeah.

02:52:42.000 I haven't got anything concluded.

02:52:44.000 I just say, send me a contract.

02:52:46.000 I'll be ready.

02:52:47.000 Send me location.

02:52:49.000 Location with a five-rounder and I'll be ready.

02:52:52.000 Yeah, that was one of my favorite fucking quotes ever from Khabib.

02:52:54.000 Send me location.

02:52:55.000 Send me location.

02:52:56.000 Send location.

02:52:57.000 I feel if you take this as a lifestyle, like this is our job.

02:53:03.000 When fighters are like, after, at the end of each camp, they want vacation.

02:53:08.000 I'm like, a fucking surgeon, when it's open, your grandma's heart, he's not going to vacation after each surgery.

02:53:15.000 Right.

02:53:15.000 He works every day.

02:53:17.000 Right.

02:53:17.000 Sometimes I see fighters, they just don't work.

02:53:21.000 Yep.

02:53:21.000 But it's, you work, you pay for, as I said, you get what you put it on for.

02:53:28.000 Yes.

02:53:28.000 And if you're not putting everything on, you won't get what you want.

02:53:32.000 No, you won't.

02:53:33.000 You won't.

02:53:34.000 So, that's why, like, myself, I'm on it the whole time.

02:53:39.000 Because there's not many years we have in this game.

02:53:42.000 No.

02:53:43.000 And time goes fast.

02:53:46.000 Do you know how old you think you want to be when you retire?

02:53:48.000 Have you thought about that?

02:53:50.000 Sometimes.

02:53:51.000 I think 36. I want to have a good life.

02:53:54.000 I want to serve the rest of my life.

02:53:56.000 I want to run.

02:53:57.000 I want to be fit.

02:53:58.000 But I want to set my kids.

02:54:00.000 I want to set myself.

02:54:02.000 I want to get the belt first.

02:54:04.000 I feel if I get the belt, I can do anything I want.

02:54:07.000 Because that will bring all the opportunities.

02:54:10.000 If you don't make it that far...

02:54:13.000 You just made it halfway.

02:54:14.000 And then how you get things, you know what I'm saying?

02:54:16.000 Right.

02:54:17.000 I feel like if you get the belt, if you do all that for the belt, from then you can defend it, and there's a lot that comes with that.

02:54:25.000 So, first things first.

02:54:26.000 I think in my life I had my daughter say this first.

02:54:29.000 I did that.

02:54:30.000 Get a home in California, I did that.

02:54:34.000 The belt is left.

02:54:35.000 Well, my brother, I'm looking forward to watching you fight again.

02:54:39.000 I'm a big fan.

02:54:40.000 Thank you.

02:54:41.000 And it's cool as fuck to have you here to talk to.

02:54:43.000 Your story's amazing.

02:54:44.000 I love stories like that.

02:54:46.000 Thank you so much.

02:54:46.000 I love people that just get after it and hustle and put in the work.

02:54:51.000 And that's you, my friend.

02:54:52.000 And you put the word out, you know, telling newspapers and now you're here.

02:54:57.000 So it's things that you can relate to and you can use them to push you forward.

02:55:02.000 Yes.

02:55:02.000 So I appreciate you too.

02:55:04.000 Alright, my man, Marlon.

02:55:06.000 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

02:55:07.000 Tune in to this motherfucker, because he's a bad man!

02:55:10.000 Thank you so much.

02:55:11.000 Thank you, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 28, 2011

JRE MMA Show #117 with Marlon "Chito" Vera

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