The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #120 with Jim Miller

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00:00:13.000 You got a cookbook?

00:00:14.000 What's going on? 1.00

00:00:14.000 Yeah, coming out with a fucking cookbook. 1.00

00:00:16.000 Are you a good cook? 1.00

00:00:18.000 Legitimately?

00:00:18.000 I see you cook on Instagram.

00:00:20.000 Looks like you're into it.

00:00:21.000 I am.

00:00:22.000 Yeah.

00:00:23.000 Food has always been a pretty big part of my life.

00:00:27.000 I grew up in a...

00:00:28.000 A family of cooks.

00:00:30.000 I actually consider myself probably the worst cook in my family.

00:00:33.000 Don't say that before you sell in your book.

00:00:35.000 I know, but I'm still pretty good.

00:00:38.000 My brother Dan and my other brother Michael are both phenomenal.

00:00:42.000 Your brother Dan has the nastiest guillotine finish I've ever seen in all my years of watching MMA. The one in the IFL where he had that dude pinned up against the cage.

00:00:51.000 It looks like his head...

00:00:52.000 It's gone.

00:00:53.000 It looks like it's disappeared.

00:00:55.000 Like his head is, it's like, the way it bends over, it's like, folks, it's like an elbow.

00:01:00.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:01:01.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:01:02.000 It's sideways.

00:01:03.000 I didn't see that.

00:01:05.000 We were on the opposite side of the ring.

00:01:07.000 I didn't see that until the next day. 0.99

00:01:08.000 I was scrolling through some pictures on one of the forums, and I was like, holy shit! 0.98

00:01:12.000 Here, watch this here.

00:01:14.000 Let's see if they can show it from the beginning again, please.

00:01:19.000 Okay, here it is.

00:01:20.000 I'll show it.

00:01:20.000 Yeah.

00:01:21.000 Folds him in half.

00:01:22.000 No, when he stands up, he's still fighting, like right there.

00:01:26.000 Like there. 1.00

00:01:26.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:01:28.000 It shouldn't work. 1.00

00:01:28.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:01:28.000 How is that possible? 1.00

00:01:29.000 Look at that.

00:01:30.000 Look at that.

00:01:30.000 It looks like it's disconnected.

00:01:31.000 How is that possible that a neck can do that?

00:01:34.000 He's literally hearing his own heartbeat.

00:01:38.000 Right?

00:01:38.000 I'd be dead.

00:01:39.000 I think that's the craziest guillotine I've ever seen in my life.

00:01:44.000 Which is amazing, because think of how many guillotines you've seen.

00:01:48.000 Yeah.

00:01:48.000 Right?

00:01:49.000 I've never seen anybody do that.

00:01:51.000 I mean, that's a wild guillotine.

00:01:53.000 It is.

00:01:54.000 The IFL was weird, because there was good fighters and good fights, but the concept was so goofy that people were like, what, there's a team?

00:02:03.000 Yeah.

00:02:04.000 And your team wins?

00:02:05.000 They were doing it like wrestling teams, right?

00:02:07.000 Yeah.

00:02:07.000 It was kind of like, you could win your match, but your team could still lose, and there was team names, and there was...

00:02:17.000 I think other couple promotions have tried to do something similar, and it just doesn't seem to work in MMA. I don't like what the PFL does either, where they have point systems, and you get more points for finishes, and more points for this, and so you're ahead.

00:02:34.000 That's weird.

00:02:35.000 I can't pay attention to all that.

00:02:37.000 I think it's like they see how people are really into stats.

00:02:42.000 You know, like, rebounds, and he's got most assists, and this and that.

00:02:46.000 There's a lot of guys that are, like, numbers guys.

00:02:47.000 They can tell you, you know, this guy ran for this amount of yards, and this and that.

00:02:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:02:52.000 Like, they love those statistics.

00:02:54.000 But in MMA, that's just, like...

00:02:59.000 Yeah, people just want to see us punching each other's heads in.

00:03:02.000 That's really what it is.

00:03:03.000 Yeah, you're over-complicating what's essentially the purest sport.

00:03:08.000 Yeah.

00:03:08.000 It's so pure.

00:03:10.000 I mean, you could show an MMA fight to someone who has no fucking idea what's going on, and they're going, oh my god. 0.86

00:03:15.000 You show them cricket, and they're like, why? 0.95

00:03:18.000 Yeah, what's the point?

00:03:19.000 What's the goal?

00:03:19.000 Why do you have a paddle?

00:03:20.000 What's happening here?

00:03:21.000 How's this work?

00:03:23.000 You know?

00:03:23.000 Why is he throwing the ball like that?

00:03:24.000 Right.

00:03:25.000 Or baseball.

00:03:25.000 Like, baseball's an American pastime.

00:03:27.000 But if it wasn't, and someone tried to invent it today, people would be like, get the fuck out of here with this game.

00:03:32.000 Too complicated.

00:03:33.000 It's just, what is going on here?

00:03:34.000 He's stealing bases?

00:03:36.000 He gets to steal bases?

00:03:37.000 Like, what's happening?

00:03:39.000 You know?

00:03:39.000 Why nine?

00:03:40.000 Why nine innings?

00:03:41.000 Why nine dudes?

00:03:43.000 And what's going on with the pitcher with his fingers?

00:03:45.000 What's he doing there?

00:03:46.000 The catcher and the pitcher communicating in some weird way?

00:03:50.000 You know?

00:03:51.000 Yeah.

00:03:52.000 How about when a guy, like, the catcher will stand away from the base and he'll intentionally walk him?

00:03:59.000 Like, what are you doing? 1.00

00:04:00.000 Like, what is this bullshit? 1.00

00:04:02.000 I guess it's, yeah. 1.00

00:04:04.000 You're cheating!

00:04:04.000 Strategy, right?

00:04:05.000 You're cheating! 1.00

00:04:06.000 Throw the fucking ball! 1.00

00:04:07.000 Throw it! 1.00

00:04:08.000 Try to strike him out, you fuck! 1.00

00:04:12.000 It's silly. 1.00

00:04:13.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:04:15.000 I guess there's some silly stuff that happens in MMA, though. 0.92

00:04:20.000 What's the silliest thing you think?

00:04:22.000 I fell in love with it Watching the early days, watching Pride and the early days of the UFC where it was like... 0.98

00:04:30.000 Dudes were just going in there to beat the fuck out of whoever was across from them. 1.00

00:04:38.000 When I see a fighter try to game the clock, I understand why they're doing it because they want to win, right? 0.98

00:04:47.000 My whole goal is to not have the judges have any fucking say in it. 0.95

00:04:52.000 Because I got three... 1.00

00:04:54.000 ...schmucks. 0.99

00:04:55.000 Questionable. 0.99

00:04:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:04:57.000 Questionable would probably be a better word. 1.00

00:04:59.000 They call them schmucks. 0.99

00:05:00.000 On the outside of the cage, that have zero experience in the martial arts, for the most part. 1.00

00:05:08.000 A lot of them.

00:05:08.000 A good percentage of them, unfortunately.

00:05:10.000 And yeah, they're picking who's going to win or lose.

00:05:13.000 And I get paid twice as much if they think that I win.

00:05:16.000 So...

00:05:19.000 I think that the purest part of the sport is when two fighters are just trying to beat the shit out of each other. 0.96

00:05:27.000 For sure. 0.95

00:05:27.000 Undeniable. 0.95

00:05:27.000 I mean, there's some really good judges out there. 0.95

00:05:29.000 We should acknowledge that.

00:05:30.000 Because they don't get enough love because there's so many bad ones.

00:05:34.000 I feel like number one hardest job is fight.

00:05:37.000 Number two is referee.

00:05:39.000 The referee is the hardest job.

00:05:40.000 Because they can step in too soon and the guy jumps up. 1.00

00:05:44.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:05:45.000 The worst is when it's a submission. 1.00

00:05:47.000 When someone is fighting their way out of a submission and then the referee separates them.

00:05:52.000 And you're like, oh my god, what have you done?

00:05:54.000 And you can't restart it.

00:05:56.000 Well, they did before.

00:05:58.000 Remember Murillo Bustamante and Matt Lindland?

00:06:01.000 He had to tap him twice.

00:06:03.000 He caught Lin-Lin in an arm bar, and Lin-Lin's like, I didn't do that.

00:06:06.000 I didn't do that. 0.99

00:06:07.000 Which is like, you fucking definitely did. 0.98

00:06:09.000 You gotta make sure, yeah, like, let him rip you off of them. 0.97

00:06:14.000 There's only two times in the UFC that I can recall that a fight was restarted.

00:06:19.000 And there's that fight, and then there was another one that was actually not restarted, but redone.

00:06:24.000 Conan Silvera and Sakuraba.

00:06:28.000 Do you remember that?

00:06:29.000 Yeah.

00:06:30.000 Big John McCarthy stopped the fight early.

00:06:32.000 Sakuraba dropped for a single, and he thought he was out cold. 0.99

00:06:36.000 And Sakuraba, he got hit with a punch and dropped down for a single, and they stopped the fight, and Sakuraba was like, what the fuck? 0.96

00:06:41.000 And they were in Japan. 0.59

00:06:43.000 So because it was UFC Japan, they're like, what are we doing here?

00:06:47.000 And it was actually proved to be a historic moment because then he came back and submitted Conan.

00:06:53.000 And everybody was like, what?

00:06:54.000 He submitted a black belt in jiu-jitsu?

00:06:56.000 Like, that was unheard of.

00:06:58.000 Like, you never thought that a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu could get submitted.

00:07:01.000 Yeah.

00:07:02.000 You know?

00:07:03.000 So those are only two times that I know of where a fight was like.

00:07:06.000 But there's a lot of times where I think it should have been that way.

00:07:09.000 Where they should have probably let him continue.

00:07:11.000 Yeah.

00:07:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:14.000 As a fighter, I feel like it's tough, because the ref is there so I can fight again.

00:07:24.000 I want to choose my way out.

00:07:27.000 Let me decide that it's enough, but I do appreciate that they're looking out for us, but like you said, it's not an easy job.

00:07:38.000 It's not an easy job at all.

00:07:41.000 My last fight, I thought it could have gotten stopped a little bit quicker, and that's probably because I haven't knocked a lot of guys out.

00:07:51.000 I knocked him down, and it was like, I threw one or two, they kind of hit glove, and then it was like, a second one just sunk in.

00:07:58.000 It's like, dude, that didn't need to happen, and then it's still going on.

00:08:02.000 So I was a little bit amped up, you know, post-fight, but...

00:08:07.000 It's a difficult spot.

00:08:09.000 It's the hardest spot other than fighter.

00:08:11.000 Yeah.

00:08:11.000 You know, commentary's probably the easiest, because you're just kind of saying what's happening.

00:08:16.000 You don't really, you know...

00:08:17.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:08:17.000 You guys do a lot of fucking work. 0.99

00:08:20.000 It's not that hard. 1.00

00:08:21.000 It's not that hard.

00:08:22.000 The work I do, like, this weekend's a big event.

00:08:25.000 The work I do is fun.

00:08:27.000 Like, I'm watching fights.

00:08:28.000 Like, all week I'd be watching fights.

00:08:30.000 Like, there's some folks that I haven't seen fight before.

00:08:33.000 I'm gonna watch their fights.

00:08:34.000 I'm going to go back and look at their records and look at their history and stuff like that.

00:08:38.000 But I don't even consider it research.

00:08:41.000 I'm just excited.

00:08:42.000 I just think if it's fun.

00:08:44.000 If I was doing that on hockey or something that I don't really follow, then it would be work.

00:08:47.000 I'd have to write stuff down.

00:08:48.000 I'd have to really think about it.

00:08:50.000 But I'm looking forward to it.

00:08:52.000 So it's easy.

00:08:55.000 Yeah.

00:08:55.000 I think fighting's easy.

00:09:00.000 It's amazing. 0.96

00:09:01.000 If anybody saw you and you said, like, this guy has some of the most fights in the history of the sport, like, in the history of the UFC, like, who fucking has more fights than you? 0.86

00:09:10.000 Nobody. 0.91

00:09:11.000 Nobody?

00:09:11.000 Yeah.

00:09:12.000 Nobody?

00:09:12.000 Yeah, nobody.

00:09:13.000 How many fights do you have in the UFC? 39. But what's crazy is you don't look fucked up, you don't talk fucked up.

00:09:20.000 I try not to. 1.00

00:09:21.000 You don't at all!

00:09:23.000 Like if I introduced you to someone and I said, this young man has the most fights in the history of the most brutal combat sport in the world.

00:09:31.000 They'd be like, what?

00:09:32.000 You?

00:09:33.000 Yeah.

00:09:35.000 I think I found the thing that I was kind of built to do because that's one of the things that People don't understand.

00:09:42.000 Like, I've never had surgery. 0.99

00:09:44.000 Like, knock on fucking wood. 1.00

00:09:45.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:09:46.000 Nothing?

00:09:47.000 Yeah, nope.

00:09:49.000 You know, the only bone that I've ever broken is, like, chipped my sinus when Dan Hooker kneed me.

00:09:56.000 Like, chipped the outside of my sinus.

00:09:58.000 That's the only bone I've ever broken.

00:10:00.000 Really?

00:10:00.000 And that just heals up on its own?

00:10:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:03.000 There was nothing they could do for it.

00:10:04.000 But, like...

00:10:06.000 And I've been bouncing around outside the octagon, probably worse than I have been inside the octagon. 0.99

00:10:11.000 And it's like, shit, man. 0.99

00:10:12.000 Like, I was just kind of, like, built to take lumps, I guess. 1.00

00:10:16.000 I've got a fucking giant head for a 5'8 dude. 0.98

00:10:21.000 And I think that's helped me, you know, absorb some shots. 0.99

00:10:25.000 And then stylistically, yeah, I just try to, like...

00:10:30.000 I do sacrifice some power for trying to be protected.

00:10:34.000 Well, you're very smart defensively as, at the same time, you're hyper-aggressive, which is very interesting.

00:10:40.000 You know, it's a good combination of two things.

00:10:43.000 Yeah.

00:10:44.000 Well, you're also very good off your back, too.

00:10:46.000 It's like, the combination of all those things is like, you know, you can, there's not a place where you fight where I'm like, ooh, this is not his best. 0.98

00:10:53.000 Like, there's some guys that get taken down and you're like, he's kind of fucked here.

00:10:56.000 Like, you don't have, like, a spot like that, where you're in a bad position. 0.85

00:10:59.000 I try. 0.96

00:11:02.000 That's one of the exciting things about the sport is there's so much shit to do and to learn. 0.78

00:11:08.000 It makes it difficult on one side that you have to try to get in workouts for not only to be a good technical fighter, but a good athlete. 0.90

00:11:17.000 And then you're working on ground stuff, clinch stuff, wrestling, striking.

00:11:21.000 Yeah.

00:11:22.000 So there's so many pieces to the pie that you gotta, like, stuff in there.

00:11:26.000 It's not like, hey, all I do is grab a ball and run.

00:11:29.000 Right.

00:11:29.000 You know?

00:11:30.000 So, yeah, we have to, you know, find your strength and try to fight to your strength.

00:11:37.000 And I think that's an issue that sometimes fighters get away from is they, you know, they learn new things and then they don't fight to their strengths that, like, got them there.

00:11:47.000 Right.

00:11:48.000 Like, I've done that in the past.

00:11:50.000 Right.

00:11:51.000 In what way?

00:11:52.000 When I fought Gray Maynard.

00:11:58.000 That was my third fight in the UFC. Tough dude, good wrestler, better wrestler than me.

00:12:04.000 Big step up.

00:12:06.000 But to that point, I really hadn't been doing...

00:12:11.000 Private striking training.

00:12:13.000 Really?

00:12:14.000 Before the UFC, yeah, I was taking Thai classes at night, like group classes.

00:12:22.000 Like a kickboxing class?

00:12:23.000 No, well, first six fights, yeah.

00:12:25.000 Really?

00:12:26.000 Yeah, my first six fights, I started out at a place called Planet Jiu-Jitsu.

00:12:30.000 Tiny...

00:12:31.000 A little bit bigger than this studio here, this room of the studio. 0.99

00:12:37.000 And yeah, I was taking like cardio kickboxing classes because I had never thrown a punch before and it was helping me, you know, but the ball had already started rolling so it was like, fuck it, like we're just gonna go.

00:12:50.000 Take me back to, like, what was your initial martial art?

00:12:53.000 What was the first thing you ever did?

00:12:54.000 Wrestling.

00:12:55.000 And that was in high school?

00:12:56.000 That was as soon as I could walk.

00:12:58.000 Okay.

00:12:59.000 You know, my mom's side of the family... 0.98

00:13:05.000 Pretty fucking good wrestling locally. 0.94

00:13:08.000 And then one of my uncles was a two-time national champion for Lehigh. 0.96

00:13:13.000 He was actually an Olympic qualifier in 1980 when we boycotted Mike Frick.

00:13:20.000 Yeah.

00:13:21.000 So, like, his wrestling career was done before I was born, but his younger brother, Jim, who's also my mom's younger brother, he wrestled at Lehigh as well.

00:13:31.000 Never quite made it to All-American status.

00:13:35.000 One of my first memories is watching him wrestling at Lehigh.

00:13:38.000 You know, I think I was like three or something like that.

00:13:40.000 And I remember it because he ended up breaking his ankle that match.

00:13:44.000 Oh.

00:13:45.000 Yeah, as soon as I could walk, I was pretty much on the mats.

00:13:49.000 I wish I would have been a better wrestler, but I was a late bloomer physically and in the sport of wrestling too, I think.

00:13:58.000 And then you go from there to jiu-jitsu?

00:14:00.000 Yeah, so I wrestled through high school, one year at Virginia Tech.

00:14:06.000 That was a learning experience, you know, wrestling for a D1 program.

00:14:13.000 Like, I walked on late, and three weeks later was starting.

00:14:20.000 And wrestling at a weight class that I probably shouldn't have been wrestling at, too, 141s.

00:14:26.000 Too light?

00:14:28.000 Yeah, way too light.

00:14:29.000 They can't do anything about it now, but we snuck by the hydration test.

00:14:35.000 I carried a cup of my coach's pee down to the trainer's office.

00:14:40.000 I came on after all the hydration tests and all that stuff, so it was like, hey, this will work.

00:14:49.000 Wow.

00:14:52.000 You know, like I said, it was an experience wrestling in a room full of, you know, multiple-time state champs and stuff like that.

00:14:58.000 And, you know, it taught me a lot about kind of surrounding myself with people that support me because I didn't quite have that in the coaching staff.

00:15:07.000 And, yeah, I wrestled for a year, was pissed off because I didn't like, you know, the program and...

00:15:17.000 Came back, was working a little bit, and my brother and I, Dan, were messing around at work, working with our father, and finally decided to start training jiu-jitsu.

00:15:27.000 We walked into the first gym that we trained at in May of 2005. Came in, and we had been, like, fucking around, so we ended up, like, submitting some guys on the first day, and we told the coach, like, hey, like, we want to fight.

00:15:41.000 And he's like, alright, give me, like, two or three years.

00:15:44.000 And six months later, we were stepping into a ring for our first professional fight, because there was no amateur at the time.

00:15:51.000 No striking training.

00:15:54.000 Literally three months of striking training at a cardio kickboxing class.

00:15:57.000 So at that place that you were telling me about, Planet Jiu-Jitsu?

00:16:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:01.000 So, yeah, it was a trip, you know?

00:16:05.000 Rolled the dice a little bit, you know?

00:16:09.000 Yeah, and then it was just like fight after fight.

00:16:11.000 I mean, in a year, I had six fights, basically, so...

00:16:14.000 Wow.

00:16:15.000 Well, that's the way to do it, right?

00:16:17.000 I believe so.

00:16:18.000 I think that's one of the biggest issues with local MMA right now is that they're making these fighters sign agreements, so you're kind of locked in.

00:16:28.000 How so?

00:16:29.000 Well, they're making fighters, like local promotions, local shows are making fighters fight exclusively for them.

00:16:35.000 Oh, that's terrible.

00:16:36.000 And then they're only putting on three cards a year. 0.99

00:16:39.000 That's fucking terrible. 0.99

00:16:40.000 They're doing that? 0.99

00:16:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:42.000 Oh, don't do that, guys.

00:16:43.000 Yeah.

00:16:43.000 Don't sign that.

00:16:44.000 Don't sign that.

00:16:46.000 Whoever's listening, amateur fighters, guys coming up, don't sign that. 1.00

00:16:49.000 That will fuck you. 1.00

00:16:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:16:51.000 Those guys, that's unethical. 1.00

00:16:53.000 It is.

00:16:53.000 They should not do that.

00:16:54.000 Yeah.

00:16:55.000 Because, you know, look, if you have a good promotion and you pay well and you put on a good show, people will fight for you.

00:17:00.000 Yeah. 0.89

00:17:00.000 But if you want to say that a guy has to be exclusive on a small card and then he gets a call from 1FC or fucking Bellator or whoever... 0.89

00:17:09.000 A lot of them have, like, those, you know, the UFC clause where, like, if one of the big promotions call you, but the problem is, is like...

00:17:15.000 You should be able to fight for a bunch of small organizations.

00:17:18.000 You want to fight almost once a month if you could.

00:17:19.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:17:21.000 That's exactly it, you know?

00:17:22.000 Like, I have some guys that train with me that they don't get to fight as often as I feel they should.

00:17:29.000 Because of that, because of these contracts.

00:17:31.000 Yeah, they're like the two different roads you can take, you know? 0.77

00:17:33.000 You can't fucking be exclusive if you're a small company like that. 0.52

00:17:37.000 That is not, that's not ethical. 0.97

00:17:39.000 Especially if they're making like, you know, a thousand and a thousand, maybe, or a thousand bucks.

00:17:44.000 It's crazy.

00:17:45.000 They don't even have win bonuses.

00:17:46.000 But it's crazy.

00:17:47.000 Yeah.

00:17:47.000 It fucks your development up, because if you can get a fight in every two months, man, you'll get more comfortable with fighting.

00:17:54.000 You get more relaxed, because you do it a lot.

00:17:57.000 And when you do it a lot, it alleviates a lot of the tension and the pressure, because you could fight more to your potential.

00:18:04.000 And the more you fight to your potential, the more confidence you get, the more you make gains in training, you start adapting and growing and learning how to compete. 0.99

00:18:13.000 Have you ever with a company that's fucking you over in some shit? 0.98

00:18:17.000 I've met some great guys that run some small organizations, but I've met some guys that just think they're big time, and it's a real problem. 0.99

00:18:27.000 They act big time.

00:18:28.000 Yeah, and then one of the new ones, well, new, I mean, probably a few years old now, the idea is that they make these fighters have ticket quotas and stuff like that.

00:18:40.000 That drives me crazy, too.

00:18:43.000 It's the worst.

00:18:44.000 It's the absolute worst.

00:18:46.000 Explain that to people who don't know what we're talking about.

00:18:48.000 So, in their bad agreement, they're gonna have to sell a certain amount of tickets in order to get their pay.

00:18:57.000 Yeah.

00:18:57.000 So, like, they'll have a, you know, 40-ticket minimum or whatever that they have to hit in order to get their full pay.

00:19:05.000 And then for everyone below that, they're docked, you know, from their win bonus or their show money. 1.00

00:19:13.000 That's a, yeah, it's a bullshit fucking move. 0.99

00:19:19.000 You kind of understand it, but it's like, hey, you're the promotion. 1.00

00:19:23.000 Your job is to promote the fight.

00:19:27.000 You're the one with the marketing knowledge and then this and then that and the dollars to put down for ads and flyers and shit like that.

00:19:41.000 If a fighter has the opportunity to sell a couple tickets and make a couple extra bucks, maybe, all right, great.

00:19:48.000 But, like, what happens, and this happened to a bunch of my training partners, and this has, like, kind of led to my, one of the things that led to me opening my gym a few years ago was we had seven guys on a local card, and all of a sudden there's a ticket quota.

00:20:08.000 After they signed?

00:20:09.000 Well, it was before they signed, but they didn't know that it was there.

00:20:13.000 So you had, like, a group of, you know, seven fighters.

00:20:18.000 So a gym, like, okay.

00:20:21.000 Like, one guy could have handled the quota.

00:20:24.000 Two guys, but, like, seven?

00:20:26.000 Like, then you're, like, trying to make sure that, you know, the training partners buy from this guy because he hasn't sold a bunch.

00:20:33.000 Right. 0.91

00:20:35.000 And yeah, it was a bullshit move that got put in there, but I don't think any of them... 0.98

00:20:44.000 Really hit it. 0.99

00:20:44.000 You know, they all got fucking docked a bit. 0.99

00:20:47.000 So it's like, you know, you're looking at a couple hundred tickets between the seven of them that they got to sell, you know, so that everybody can make the money that they were promised to make. 0.80

00:20:57.000 And obviously they have that with everyone on the card.

00:20:59.000 Yeah.

00:20:59.000 So that's how he's selling tickets.

00:21:00.000 That's his promotion.

00:21:01.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:21:02.000 He's double fucking the fighters. 0.99

00:21:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:21:05.000 Really, like, if you want to say you're going to guarantee you $1,000 to fight and $1,000 to win, which I think is bullshit, by the way.

00:21:13.000 I don't like win bonuses. 0.99

00:21:15.000 I fucking hate it. 0.98

00:21:17.000 Especially with bad judging. 1.00

00:21:18.000 I fucking hate it. 0.99

00:21:19.000 When I see a controversial judgment and one guy... 0.99

00:21:23.000 Here's a good one.

00:21:25.000 Not necessarily controversial, but really close.

00:21:27.000 Some people think it's controversial.

00:21:29.000 Barbarina and Matt Brown last weekend. 0.99

00:21:31.000 Fucking real close fight. 0.96

00:21:33.000 The idea that Matt Brown is going to get paid half as much... 0.97

00:21:37.000 One judge thought he won, and two judges thought he didn't, and he's going to get half the money. 1.00

00:21:42.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:21:43.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:21:44.000 I don't like that.

00:21:46.000 It's a weird model.

00:21:50.000 I like that London card.

00:21:55.000 It's like, everybody with a finish got a 50. That's a great idea.

00:21:58.000 That's a fucking great idea. 0.99

00:21:59.000 That's a great idea. 0.99

00:22:03.000 Before the fight, Garen fucking teed everybody's going out there looking for a finish. 0.98

00:22:08.000 Right. 0.99

00:22:08.000 You know? 0.99

00:22:10.000 And that's what I want to see.

00:22:12.000 Like, that's what I'm trying to do in the fight, you know, no matter what.

00:22:15.000 But, like, as a fan, I want to see aggressive fighters, not guys that are just trying to, you know, game the clock, win a couple points, and, you know, get the W because they – granted, they used effective octagon control, but, they used effective octagon control, but, like – I want to see finishes.

00:22:35.000 And that way you eliminate all the fighters that get fucked over by bad judging because then they don't miss half their purse.

00:22:43.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:22:43.000 Because if you're missing half of your pay because of bad judging, that should stop. 0.92

00:22:48.000 That should stop.

00:22:50.000 I just don't like that, man.

00:22:51.000 I love the incentive, the finish incentive.

00:22:54.000 That's great.

00:22:55.000 Keep that.

00:22:56.000 Keep that.

00:22:57.000 That'll maybe make guys fight more...

00:22:59.000 Well, you know people definitely fight more aggressively for fight of the night and performance of the night and all that stuff, but...

00:23:04.000 Keep the finish thing.

00:23:06.000 That's great.

00:23:07.000 That'll incentivize people. 1.00

00:23:08.000 But the win bonus, that's not incentivizing people. 0.98

00:23:12.000 Especially if it's a fucking close fight. 0.98

00:23:14.000 Matt Brown could not have fought any harder. 0.99

00:23:16.000 That was a war, man.

00:23:19.000 It was a crazy fight.

00:23:20.000 But the idea that he only gets half as much because of some subjective opinion on whether or not he did enough.

00:23:26.000 This is not taking anything away from Barbarina.

00:23:28.000 It was a great fight.

00:23:29.000 Yeah.

00:23:29.000 Real good fight.

00:23:30.000 And, you know, maybe I would go back and score it for him if I watched it and, you know, tried to score it. 0.98

00:23:35.000 But I remember thinking, God damn it, I hate that model. 0.99

00:23:38.000 I hate it. 0.99

00:23:39.000 Yeah, it's a, like I said, it's weird.

00:23:42.000 It only exists in MMA. It doesn't exist in boxing, right?

00:23:45.000 Have you heard of it in boxing?

00:23:47.000 No, I think it's all show money.

00:23:49.000 I mean, maybe on the lower end, but for what I understand, a majority of it is just, yeah, you get paid to fight.

00:23:56.000 Yeah, and if it is on the lower end, they probably copied MMA. Does 1FC have that?

00:24:01.000 Do they have a fight and win?

00:24:04.000 I wonder.

00:24:05.000 Never fought for them.

00:24:06.000 Yeah, it's unfortunate.

00:24:09.000 That's very unfortunate.

00:24:10.000 So you start off, you do a little bit, where did you start off with jiu-jitsu?

00:24:15.000 That place.

00:24:16.000 Same place, Planet Jiu Jitsu?

00:24:18.000 Cardio kickboxing.

00:24:20.000 Cardio kickboxing, Nogi Jiu Jitsu, Tiny Little Room.

00:24:25.000 Did they have any fighters yet?

00:24:26.000 Well, that's why we went there, because they had a couple of fighters.

00:24:30.000 It was the closest place that had an MMA team at the time.

00:24:37.000 So I signed to fight Frankie Edgar in November of 2006. And the gym was kind of like...

00:24:45.000 It was breathing its last breaths, you know?

00:24:48.000 People at the gym kind of knew it was going to go under.

00:24:53.000 And it did, like, three weeks before the fight.

00:24:56.000 Oh, no.

00:24:56.000 So it was like...

00:24:57.000 It was a shit show of a camp, you know? 0.99

00:25:01.000 Frankie was training with Team Rhino at the time, which was huge. 0.99

00:25:04.000 They had, like...

00:25:05.000 60 fighters, something like that. 0.99

00:25:08.000 And I had, like, two 16-year-old blue belts and, like, a purple belt and another purple belt who was 305 and, like, I had Dan to train with for, like, Two weeks, he had cracked a rib, and then the first sparring session, I just hooked him to the body, and I was like, ah, fuck! 0.99

00:25:29.000 So he was out, so it was a shitty camp. 0.98

00:25:33.000 Great fight. 0.96

00:25:34.000 Frankie and I fucking, I've never seen the fight, but I had people coming up to me for years after that one, like, dude, that fight with Frankie was crazy.

00:25:44.000 Did you watch your fights afterwards?

00:25:46.000 Not usually.

00:25:47.000 How come?

00:25:48.000 I don't know.

00:25:49.000 Like, I remember the good and the bad, you know?

00:25:54.000 And it's like, I should.

00:25:56.000 But, like, I'm focusing on, like, what's next.

00:26:00.000 Right.

00:26:00.000 And just trying to get myself better and work on those things.

00:26:04.000 I let my coaches kind of peel that stuff apart.

00:26:06.000 Do you watch tape on other guys, on opponents?

00:26:09.000 Occasionally.

00:26:10.000 Usually just to see them fight, you know?

00:26:12.000 But, like, I'm not trying to break things down.

00:26:13.000 Because I... Kind of what happened in that fight with Gray is that like I expect him to throw overhands and like looping punches and he came out and he just fed me straight rights and it was like you know I had been working with a boxing coach for a couple weeks and next thing you know I'm trying to like slip and move and it's like that's not me but I've been doing it for a couple weeks so I kind of picked it up and yeah he broke my nose pretty early in the fight and then continued to hit it and Yeah,

00:26:44.000 it was a good learning experience.

00:26:49.000 Well, he's an example of a guy who had wars and then the wheels fell off.

00:26:55.000 Why do you think you have been able to fight the way you fight and not have the wheels fall off? 1.00

00:27:02.000 Fuck if I know. 1.00

00:27:04.000 Really? 1.00

00:27:04.000 There's no... 1.00

00:27:06.000 Luck.

00:27:09.000 Like I said, I think I'm kind of...

00:27:11.000 I'm built to get roughed up.

00:27:14.000 Built to get, you know, into the mix.

00:27:16.000 Just durable.

00:27:17.000 Yeah.

00:27:18.000 And, you know, like...

00:27:20.000 And then there's definitely a portion of that that is, like, skill set.

00:27:26.000 Like, I... I try to not get hit.

00:27:33.000 If you keep your hand up, if I throw a left and my right is glued to my face, I'm probably losing a little bit of power than if I loop that left over and drop my right hand.

00:27:47.000 But then if my opponent throws a counter, I'm more protected.

00:27:53.000 And that's what I'm trying to do.

00:27:55.000 Like, I'm trying to land good shots and hit people hard, but be protected at the same time because I also consider myself a bit of a counterpuncher.

00:28:03.000 So, like, I'm looking for somebody to throw something at me so that I can, you know, snap something at them.

00:28:09.000 And, yeah, I just... 0.96

00:28:12.000 I don't fucking know. 0.88

00:28:14.000 It's kind of crazy, though, if you really think about it, because we all know guys that... 0.97

00:28:21.000 How do I put this charitably?

00:28:22.000 They should have stopped a long time ago and they kept going.

00:28:25.000 Yeah.

00:28:25.000 And, you know, we all know them.

00:28:27.000 Like, we see them backstage and we're like, oof.

00:28:29.000 Yeah.

00:28:29.000 Like, there was guys at a certain point in time where I'd see that they were on the card and I would just, like, raise my eyebrows and take a deep breath.

00:28:36.000 Yeah.

00:28:36.000 Okay.

00:28:37.000 Yeah.

00:28:37.000 You know, because you know, like, they probably shouldn't be doing this anymore.

00:28:40.000 Yeah.

00:28:40.000 And you see the opponent and you're like...

00:28:43.000 That's what's scary, right?

00:28:45.000 And then you see them...

00:28:46.000 A lot of times they'll leave and they'll go to other organizations and they're like, oh boy.

00:28:50.000 They were already having problems and now they're...

00:28:54.000 It's a business that's unforgiving and there's no...

00:29:00.000 When the brain goes, when the chin goes, there's no return.

00:29:03.000 I've never seen anybody where their chin went and then they made a comeback and all of a sudden it's back.

00:29:08.000 Yeah.

00:29:09.000 Who do you?

00:29:10.000 No, I have not.

00:29:13.000 I haven't either.

00:29:15.000 Like I said, it's super unforgiving.

00:29:18.000 I'm not the type that I'm going to try to tell people what to do.

00:29:21.000 Right.

00:29:23.000 But I'd like other fighters to try to make good decisions about it.

00:29:30.000 It's like...

00:29:35.000 I don't consider fighting super dangerous. 0.69

00:29:38.000 I think there's a lot more other sports and types of entertainment out there that are a lot more fucking dangerous than what we do. 0.99

00:29:51.000 But, like, over the long haul, this shit, you know, it adds up. 0.99

00:29:56.000 But, yeah, like, I hate the idea of, like, telling somebody, like, hey, you know, you need to hang them up. 0.99

00:30:05.000 What would you do, though, if you were coaching a fighter and you realized that they're having problems, you see...

00:30:12.000 Telltale signs and slurring words and things along those lines.

00:30:16.000 I think in that position as the coach, it's your responsibility to have that conversation with somebody.

00:30:24.000 And they might not take it well.

00:30:26.000 But coaches have a very important job.

00:30:33.000 And that is to protect their athlete.

00:30:35.000 You're not only trying to make somebody better, but you're trying to protect them.

00:30:39.000 And like...

00:30:42.000 Unfortunately, in this sport and the way that it is, it's like sometimes a coach has fucking 30 athletes, you know, and a lot of times they're, hey, they're all here on sparring day. 0.91

00:30:50.000 So it's like... 0.87

00:30:53.000 It's hard to pick out, like, who's having a bad day?

00:30:56.000 Like, who's not on today that maybe we should just, you know, go hit the bag today.

00:31:02.000 We'll do a conditioning workout, something like that.

00:31:05.000 But no, it's hard sparring day, so that's what we're geared up for.

00:31:10.000 That's what everybody's, you know, they got a stiffy on hard sparring day because it's the fun day.

00:31:15.000 And you got to make the differentiation between a bad day and your skills are eroding.

00:31:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:22.000 And like that's one of the things that I can definitely attribute to my ability to be still sticking around here at just about 40 fights.

00:31:34.000 How old are you now?

00:31:35.000 38. Wow.

00:31:38.000 Is that I open my own place and, dude, being able to train with a good group of guys that I trust and not have a fucking target on my back is awesome.

00:31:54.000 And when did you open up your own place?

00:31:56.000 End of 2014. Tell everybody what that is.

00:31:58.000 Well, actually, I ended up selling it.

00:32:00.000 Did you really?

00:32:01.000 Yeah, so I opened up Miller Brothers MMA in 2014. Is it still called Miller Brothers MMA? No, no.

00:32:09.000 That would be weird.

00:32:10.000 Yeah, it would be weird, wouldn't it?

00:32:11.000 I sold it to one of the guys who worked for me and one of my training partners.

00:32:16.000 How come you sold it? 0.99

00:32:17.000 Because COVID was a pain in the ass, obviously. 0.98

00:32:22.000 And it was going to get to that point where in order to get it at least back to where it was, I would have had to be there teaching classes all the time and stuff like that. 0.98

00:32:32.000 And I was like, you know what?

00:32:33.000 I'm going to fight as hard as I can for as long as I can.

00:32:38.000 I put it out in the air that I want to fight at USC 300.

00:32:42.000 And I think the best way to get to that point is to just focus on fighting and not be teaching classes.

00:32:49.000 That's the goal?

00:32:50.000 300?

00:32:50.000 That's the goal, yeah.

00:32:51.000 We're at, what, 270...

00:32:53.000 What's this weekend?

00:32:56.000 273?

00:32:57.000 Is that right?

00:32:58.000 No.

00:32:58.000 So I think, like, it should be about two years from...

00:33:03.000 So you want to hit 40?

00:33:06.000 What?

00:33:06.000 Years old.

00:33:07.000 Well, yeah, I'll probably be, like, pushing 41, yeah, I think.

00:33:11.000 It's gonna be tough, yeah.

00:33:12.000 I can slow my pace down.

00:33:14.000 I can slow my pace down.

00:33:15.000 In terms of the amount of fights you have?

00:33:17.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:33:17.000 I like to fight shit. 1.00

00:33:19.000 I'd love to fight four times a year. 1.00

00:33:21.000 But, you know, three times a year is pretty good. 0.98

00:33:24.000 When I get those, like, eight-month layoffs, I fucking hate it. 0.85

00:33:28.000 So where are you training now? 0.97

00:33:29.000 So I'm training still at the same place.

00:33:31.000 Oh, okay.

00:33:32.000 Yeah.

00:33:32.000 What do they call it now?

00:33:33.000 Sussex County MMA. Yeah.

00:33:35.000 So still the same group of guys. 0.99

00:33:39.000 But you don't have to think about bills and bullshit. 0.99

00:33:42.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:33:43.000 That's nice.

00:33:43.000 You know, whatever the hell it was, like...

00:33:45.000 $7,500 a month to keep the lights on and the rent paid and all the utilities.

00:33:51.000 So it's nice to just be a fighter again.

00:33:57.000 There's a side of me that I enjoy teaching to a degree.

00:34:00.000 I enjoy teaching self-defense a little bit more than I like teaching jiu-jitsu.

00:34:05.000 Why so?

00:34:08.000 Jiu-Jitsu has got a couple different parts of it.

00:34:11.000 You've got the sporty side.

00:34:12.000 Everybody's motivation is different. 0.98

00:34:14.000 If I'm teaching somebody how to defend themselves, that's like, hey man, it's fucking hardcore. 1.00

00:34:20.000 I get to be an asshole. 1.00

00:34:22.000 If it's Jiu-Jitsu, then it's like, oh, well, I got a bad knee. 1.00

00:34:26.000 I don't want to do takedowns today. 1.00

00:34:27.000 And it's like, shut the fuck up. 0.99

00:34:31.000 Every fight starts on its feet. 1.00

00:34:32.000 Right.

00:34:33.000 You know, like, oh, but you're training so that you can go pull guard at a, you know, at a competition, like, or whatever, you know?

00:34:42.000 Like, I think jiu-jitsu's for everybody.

00:34:44.000 I love it.

00:34:45.000 But I just find that my personality type aligns more with, like, you know, some Rex Kwando type stuff.

00:34:54.000 You know?

00:34:56.000 That's hilarious.

00:34:57.000 Did you ever think at any point in your career of relocating and going to a big camp, like American Top Team or something?

00:35:05.000 I did.

00:35:07.000 My brother and I were training at AMA Fight Club in New Jersey, and there was some bullshit.

00:35:15.000 We had a great group of guys, and that's kind of why I opened the place.

00:35:21.000 It was like, do I open my own place or do I go to ATT or something like that?

00:35:30.000 And, honestly, I feel like having my own spot, it saved me. 0.92

00:35:36.000 If I was in one of those big gyms, like, late 2015, early 2016, when I was sick with Lyme, I don't think I would have fucking made it, honestly. 0.88

00:35:49.000 How come? 0.91

00:35:52.000 Like, the attitude is different, right?

00:35:55.000 When you've got a big group of fighters, there's definitely ego, and it's not gonna...

00:35:59.000 That doesn't go away, right?

00:36:01.000 But...

00:36:04.000 There are plenty of sessions where it was like...

00:36:07.000 I was kind of...

00:36:08.000 I literally defend myself sometimes. 0.98

00:36:12.000 Some of our sparring days were fucking insane. 0.91

00:36:16.000 Like I said, a fantastic group of guys. 0.96

00:36:20.000 My brother and I and Charlie Brenneman.

00:36:24.000 We had...

00:36:25.000 Jamie Varner came for a bit.

00:36:27.000 Brian McLaughlin.

00:36:32.000 Rafael Olvera, Tractor, fought in the UFC for a bit.

00:36:35.000 Like, the best. 0.94

00:36:39.000 Like, the best fucking group of good fighters, but also good people that were looking out for each other. 0.97

00:36:48.000 I mean, we pushed each other, but we were looking out. 0.97

00:36:51.000 You know, injuries happen and, you know, like, you push the shit out of each other and it's gonna happen, but when it's like, next thing you know you've got some, you know, some Russian or something like that that doesn't speak a lick of English and you're, like, trying to... 0.99

00:37:06.000 Tell them, hey, I'm fighting in a main event next week.

00:37:11.000 Don't stomp my knee, please.

00:37:13.000 And then it happens.

00:37:14.000 And then it happens again.

00:37:16.000 And then it happens again.

00:37:17.000 It gets stressful.

00:37:18.000 And I've heard some of the other fighters that have left some of the big gyms talk about some of the same stuff where it's like, you know, because obviously the gym is looking for as many people as they can because it's a revolving door.

00:37:33.000 But you have to realize where the specific athletes are.

00:37:38.000 Like I said, good day or bad day. 0.99

00:37:40.000 And that's one of the things that I've realized over the years is it's like, man, as a 26-year-old, shit, there were fucking no bad days, really. 0.98

00:37:49.000 It's like one a year where I felt kind of sluggish. 0.98

00:37:52.000 Where now it's like, okay, I listen to myself a bit more.

00:37:57.000 Where you have to have a coach that can do that, too.

00:38:00.000 Because as a fighter, I feel like if I'm asked of something, I'm gonna do it, you know?

00:38:08.000 And there are times where, like, my coach is gonna be like, nah, nah, we're good.

00:38:12.000 Like, we only do the extra round, the extra two rounds.

00:38:15.000 Like, you got it in today, and you're healthy.

00:38:19.000 Like, that's what we need.

00:38:20.000 Right.

00:38:23.000 I have a lot of admiration for some of the coaches at those big gyms, but I feel like what MMA is and how the teams are is kind of one of our detriments at the same time.

00:38:37.000 I think there's way too many like...

00:38:42.000 Like, you know, gym wars. 0.99

00:38:44.000 I think that they've toned that shit down. 0.86

00:38:48.000 You know, talking to other fighters and stuff like that, I feel like it doesn't happen nearly as often as it used to. 0.98

00:38:54.000 But it's still...

00:38:56.000 You got two alphas, you know...

00:39:00.000 Banging heads and like if you look at boxing and the model they have, it's usually just a small, you know, couple coaches and you pull professional sparring partners in and stuff like that.

00:39:11.000 So it's like it's focused around the fighter.

00:39:13.000 Now granted, the pace, the pay is completely different and there's so much, there's so much So many differences between MMA and boxing, but I feel like that small, tight-knit group is good.

00:39:31.000 There's obviously a benefit to having all sorts of bodies and styles and all that stuff, but...

00:39:37.000 There's been some guys that have gotten very far with small gyms.

00:39:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:40.000 Stipe, right?

00:39:41.000 Like, Stipe's gym.

00:39:42.000 It's not a small gym, but it's not, like, known as being a place where people move there and train there specifically because of that.

00:39:50.000 Oliveira.

00:39:51.000 Yeah.

00:39:52.000 Charles Oliveira's gym is not known as being a hotbed gym.

00:39:57.000 There's two schools of thought, right?

00:39:59.000 There's a school of thought where you're better off in this giant ocean filled with sharks, and then the other school of thought is you're better off with specialized individual attention that's on you and your skill set.

00:40:10.000 I think the latter is...

00:40:12.000 Look at Demetrius Johnson and GSP. GSP wasn't going to fucking... 0.99

00:40:21.000 Open mat at henzo's like he's doing specific training for a specific opponent and same thing with Dimitri shot like he's not going with just every Everybody or like the new the next killer, but those two examples are examples of like elite coaches Yeah, yeah for us a hobby and Matt Hume, you know those those two guys are like hugely respected. 0.91

00:40:41.000 Yeah veteran coaches.

00:40:43.000 Yeah The The, like, you know, shark among shark thing is, like I said, it's great to have that there.

00:40:55.000 And there are times where, like, you need that little bit of a push.

00:40:59.000 But, man, I've seen so many fighters through the years that I've trained with that they could hang in the UFC, but they didn't make it.

00:41:10.000 Right.

00:41:11.000 For various reasons.

00:41:12.000 For various reasons and...

00:41:15.000 Personal life stuff is probably a big thing, but a lot of times what ends up happening is that personal life stuff finds its way to the training mat. 0.99

00:41:27.000 And then a couple of bad days of training, and it's like, fuck this. 0.98

00:41:31.000 The guy that I used to pick him apart is beating the shit out of me. 1.00

00:41:36.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:41:37.000 I'm done. 1.00

00:41:39.000 It's hard when you're young to have that vision, too, because if you are getting picked apart...

00:41:45.000 The idea that you're banking your future on this.

00:41:48.000 Maybe you could go and be a fireman.

00:41:50.000 Maybe you can go and do this.

00:41:51.000 You might have other options and things you've been thinking about.

00:41:54.000 And then you keep getting lit up in the gym and you're like, what am I doing?

00:41:57.000 I'm not going to win a world title.

00:41:59.000 What am I doing?

00:42:00.000 And you just give up.

00:42:01.000 Bad confidence or bad relationship.

00:42:05.000 Bad relationships, that's a big one.

00:42:08.000 I knew this one guy that right before his fights, his girl would start big drama with him. 0.91

00:42:14.000 Right before his fights, like the night of the fight, she would leave the hotel, storm out, go down the bar and drink, and it was like, Oh, my God.

00:42:22.000 And his coaches would be going crazy to control this lady. 0.99

00:42:26.000 And he's fucking the night before his big fight, and she's down at the bar in the hotel, in the casino, and he's like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

00:42:35.000 But it's like there's certain people Male or female that need exorbitant amounts of attention. 0.99

00:42:41.000 And when they feel like you're paying attention to you and this one goal, that fight takes away from them.

00:42:50.000 They're vampires.

00:42:51.000 And they're like, I'm not getting enough blood.

00:42:53.000 I'm going to have to go downstairs and get some other blood.

00:42:55.000 I mean, this really, right?

00:42:58.000 We know people like that, right?

00:42:59.000 We do.

00:42:59.000 We do, right?

00:43:00.000 Seen them plenty of times.

00:43:02.000 Plenty of times.

00:43:02.000 It's horrible because you want to tell the guy, like, you've got to get out.

00:43:05.000 Get out now.

00:43:06.000 Get out now and run. 0.71

00:43:08.000 Change your phone number and throw that old phone in the ocean. 1.00

00:43:10.000 Get the fuck out of here, man. 1.00

00:43:13.000 Move out in the middle of the night. 1.00

00:43:14.000 Don't let her know where you're going.

00:43:15.000 You gotta go, man.

00:43:17.000 You gotta go. 1.00

00:43:18.000 It's like, I mean, my wife and I, Angel, she's shit. 1.00

00:43:23.000 She bet on me, you know? 1.00

00:43:27.000 Like, I mean, we're a team.

00:43:29.000 And I wouldn't be still fighting today without her, you know?

00:43:33.000 Like...

00:43:35.000 It's been a long road, Well, most guys like you that are super successful over long periods of time do have a steady relationship because it takes that factor out of the equation.

00:43:44.000 I think for fighting, it's very important.

00:43:47.000 I mean, you look at all these fighters that are elite and have done really well for long periods of time.

00:43:53.000 A lot of them are married.

00:43:55.000 A lot of them have families.

00:43:56.000 Because that's a stable home life.

00:44:00.000 Gives them comfort and security, like relaxes them.

00:44:03.000 The guys that are out chasing tail all night long, like...

00:44:06.000 And dealing with 50 different DMs that you're juggling back and forth.

00:44:11.000 Those guys are crazy.

00:44:13.000 You only have so much bandwidth in your life. 0.95

00:44:16.000 I don't understand how they do it.

00:44:18.000 They don't do it well.

00:44:19.000 No one does it well.

00:44:21.000 There might be a couple exceptions to that.

00:44:23.000 Maybe.

00:44:24.000 For a little while.

00:44:25.000 I've heard some stories.

00:44:26.000 But it's like guys who drink a lot, who also train, and then they get to a point where you're partying a couple of days before the fight, and you still pull it off.

00:44:38.000 Yeah, you're pulling it off, but you're not hitting your full potential. 0.98

00:44:41.000 There's no fucking way. 0.88

00:44:43.000 And if you fight somebody like you, the thing is, it's like, if you're an elite fighter, and you can drink, and you can party, and you can still win, what if you fight someone like you, who's not drinking, not partying, sleeping well, getting all their recovery in, and is doing all the disciplined things that you need to be at, they're gonna edge you. 0.99

00:45:05.000 Or they might knock you out.

00:45:06.000 They might catch you. 1.00

00:45:07.000 They might catch you, because even though you're a bad motherfucker, there's a lot of bad motherfuckers. 1.00

00:45:13.000 There's a lot. 1.00

00:45:14.000 And everybody's got an off switch.

00:45:16.000 Everybody can make a mistake.

00:45:19.000 Everybody can get submitted.

00:45:21.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:24.000 Plenty of jiu-jitsu black belt.

00:45:25.000 You throw strikes into the mix have been choked out.

00:45:28.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:45:28.000 When Rodolfo Vieira got submitted, remember Hernandez caught him in a guillotine and were like, no fucking way! 0.99

00:45:36.000 That tells you right there, that guy is a gorilla. 0.99

00:45:39.000 I mean, he is fucking jacked in an elite Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. 0.99

00:45:45.000 For him to get submitted? 0.99

00:45:46.000 Yeah.

00:45:46.000 Anybody can get submitted.

00:45:48.000 Jaco Ray got submitted, remember?

00:45:50.000 I mean, people get submitted.

00:45:52.000 Got his arm broke.

00:45:52.000 Got his arm broke, man.

00:45:54.000 Yeah.

00:45:54.000 I mean, he's just no joke, man.

00:45:55.000 That guy's terrifying.

00:45:57.000 Yeah.

00:45:58.000 It's just, we're humans, you know?

00:46:01.000 The body's not designed for this.

00:46:03.000 So speaking of we're humans, like, tell me about this Lyme disease thing, man, because I'm terrified of Lyme disease. 1.00

00:46:08.000 Yeah, it's a bitch. 1.00

00:46:10.000 So I, like 2015, I started feeling like shit, you know? 0.99

00:46:17.000 And it was like joint pain. 0.88

00:46:19.000 I was getting some like neuropathy. 0.98

00:46:23.000 I'd sit on the floor with my kids and my legs would fall asleep or, you know, like just positional shit. 0.98

00:46:28.000 And it's like I fucked my neck up in 2014, like 10 days before I fought Yancey Medeiros. 0.99

00:46:35.000 So I was like, okay, my neck's banged up. 0.98

00:46:38.000 Like bulging disc?

00:46:40.000 I don't even really know.

00:46:41.000 You didn't get an MRI? No, I didn't get an MRI. It was 10 days before the fight.

00:46:45.000 It was the most unspectacular thing.

00:46:47.000 It was like a whiplash injury.

00:46:50.000 I was sparring Mickey Golf when he was like 22, 21, and he threw like a hook and I just clinched a body lock and my head hit his chest.

00:47:00.000 And it just tweaked to my left.

00:47:02.000 And I felt it.

00:47:03.000 I have it on video.

00:47:04.000 And it's like, I shrugged my shoulders, moved my head around.

00:47:07.000 It was the last round of the day.

00:47:08.000 I was like, alright, this is going to hurt later, but we're going to get through it.

00:47:12.000 I only got to that fight because of a chiropractor and his magic fingers and some Graston. 1.00

00:47:19.000 But...

00:47:20.000 So, like, a lot of the symptoms that I was getting from the Lyme, I attributed to being a fighter.

00:47:27.000 Like, my knees hurt. 0.99

00:47:28.000 Well, of course they fucking hurt. 0.97

00:47:29.000 Like, you know, I mean, to the point where I'd be 45 minutes into a training session and have to get up like an old man, push on my knees and stuff like that. 0.98

00:47:38.000 It's getting, you know, numbness and tingling.

00:47:41.000 I was getting, like, brain fog.

00:47:43.000 And it was pretty good.

00:47:46.000 I'd kind of, like, go into a room sometimes and, like, go to, like, clean up and just kind of get lost.

00:47:54.000 So...

00:47:56.000 Before my fight at 196, it got so bad that I was contemplating retirement at UFC 200. I was like, I'm gonna get through 196, I'm gonna ask the fight on 200 to retire.

00:48:10.000 And you did not know you had Lyme?

00:48:12.000 Did not know I had Lyme disease.

00:48:14.000 Like I said, Nervous system was kind of shot.

00:48:20.000 Joints were swollen.

00:48:21.000 I'd get some twitching in my eye was mostly where I'd get it just for like days on end.

00:48:28.000 Very occasionally I would say the wrong word while I was speaking and not even anything close like just the complete wrong word would come out. 0.98

00:48:41.000 And you'd notice and you're like, what the fuck did I just say? 0.97

00:48:43.000 I hope they didn't notice. 0.93

00:48:46.000 So I was telling my doctor about this before my pre-fight physical, or during my pre-fight physical for 196, and he's like, you know, he's like, honestly, I think you have Lyme disease.

00:48:58.000 And I was like, all right.

00:48:59.000 So we ran some tests, tested me for Lyme.

00:49:02.000 To this day, I still don't test positive.

00:49:05.000 It's about 50% of the people that have Lyme test positive for it.

00:49:11.000 So he's like, if it's Lyme disease, and he's like, we ran some other tests.

00:49:17.000 There's some antibody that I had that showed an infection that they associate sometimes with Lyme.

00:49:25.000 So he's like, we're gonna put you on doxy, and he's like, if you do have Lyme disease, within a week, 10 days, he's like, you're gonna feel different.

00:49:32.000 What is it called, doxine?

00:49:34.000 Doxycycline.

00:49:35.000 Doxycycline.

00:49:37.000 So, like, I fight, uh, fight Diego, and that was the first time, like, I was, I was kind of out of it.

00:49:44.000 I could barely train for that fight.

00:49:45.000 Um, like, I would, I would miss training sessions, like, live grappling sessions, or sparring sessions, and, like, because I could barely get out of bed, or, like, uh, so I was, I, I would, I would get in maybe six sessions a week, um, you know, and kind of just focused on, like, alright, well, I'll just be in shape, you know, like, I could run on the treadmill, that's, The easiest thing for me to do at that point was to run on the treadmill, which is weird.

00:50:11.000 It's different than what most people experience.

00:50:13.000 Most people experience difficulty doing aerobic exercise and they can do anaerobic stuff.

00:50:22.000 I couldn't do anaerobic stuff. 0.99

00:50:24.000 If I lifted or did sprints, I'd be banged up for fucking days. 0.92

00:50:32.000 So, and that fight, like, I remember, like, when I fight, and I think it has to do something with the lights, too. 0.98

00:50:40.000 Like, I don't see the cage, like, beyond the cage.

00:50:43.000 I don't see anybody in the stands.

00:50:45.000 I don't... 0.99

00:50:46.000 I barely hear my fucking corner, for crying out loud. 0.99

00:50:50.000 So... 1.00

00:50:52.000 That fight, during the whole fight, I could see throughout in the stands.

00:50:57.000 I was so unfocused that it was a weird experience.

00:51:03.000 It's the only time this ever happened to me.

00:51:06.000 But I get out of the fight and get on some doxycycline the following week, and it was within a week or so, just like my doctor said, I started feeling way fucking better.

00:51:21.000 It took me a few years to figure out when exactly I got bit. 0.93

00:51:24.000 I had assumed that it was probably early 2015, and then after learning about the early symptoms of Lyme disease and pulling my head out of my ass and remembering the experience that I had in 2013, I'm pretty much 100% confident that I was bit in late May, early June of 2013. What makes you think that? 0.94

00:51:46.000 I had a period of time where I was like...

00:51:48.000 I basically had morning sickness.

00:51:49.000 I was extremely nauseous in the morning.

00:51:53.000 And like early Lyme, it's like flu-like symptoms and migraines and stuff like that.

00:51:59.000 So I had really bad nausea.

00:52:01.000 Like if I picked up my coffee cup and I... Was like breathing in, and I got a big whiff of my coffee, it would make me gag.

00:52:07.000 Really?

00:52:08.000 Yeah.

00:52:08.000 Or like brushing my teeth, the taste of the toothpaste would make me gag.

00:52:14.000 I had two kids in diapers at the time. 0.94

00:52:17.000 Every time bringing the friggin' garbage out, oh man, I'd be dry heaving the whole way down the driveway for like two weeks. 0.95

00:52:24.000 And I was like, my kids are in daycare. 0.97

00:52:26.000 I think my niece had, like, rotavirus or something at the time.

00:52:28.000 I was like, I got a stomach bug, like, whatever.

00:52:32.000 And then I got a series of migraines.

00:52:34.000 Like, right kind of as the nausea was dying down.

00:52:38.000 I got, I don't know, I think it was like seven migraines in ten days or something like that.

00:52:42.000 So...

00:52:43.000 I went to a neurologist and ENT, ran a bunch of tests.

00:52:47.000 They tested me for Lyme, tested negative.

00:52:50.000 They couldn't find anything.

00:52:51.000 So they're like, hey, we're going to kick the ball down the road a little bit, see if it comes back and figure out what we can do.

00:53:00.000 So I kind of forgot about that.

00:53:03.000 And after, you know, kind of educating myself on Lyme after I, you know, was diagnosed, I was like, maybe, you know, maybe that's when it was.

00:53:14.000 But it took a while to get over it because it was You know, just about three years that it had untreated. 0.98

00:53:22.000 You know, and the bacteria is a sneaky little bitch. 1.00

00:53:25.000 They call it the great imitator because it can give everybody completely different symptoms. 0.99

00:53:31.000 And it can pass the blood brain barrier and all this other shit, you know. 0.79

00:53:39.000 It also has a like a toxin in the cell wall of it.

00:53:43.000 So if you kill too much of it at one time or in a short period of time, you experience what's called like the Herxheimer reaction, which is basically you're being like poisoned by the death of the Lyme bacteria. 0.90

00:53:56.000 Yeah, it's a shitty... 0.92

00:53:58.000 It makes you, it's a fucking amazing thing because it's like, here's this little thing that, this little bacteria that when it dies, it makes you change what you're doing. 0.98

00:54:10.000 So that you don't like, it's a, getting over Lyme is especially like, like untreated for a while is a marathon. 1.00

00:54:18.000 And I'm not good at that shit. 0.98

00:54:20.000 Um, So, like, I was on doxycycline for six months. 1.00

00:54:25.000 You know, I ended up...

00:54:26.000 Six months?

00:54:27.000 Yeah, ended up...

00:54:28.000 That's an antibiotic?

00:54:30.000 Yeah, it's an antibiotic.

00:54:31.000 I was...

00:54:32.000 Six months? 0.97

00:54:33.000 I was shitting, like, four to five times before noon. 0.88

00:54:37.000 I mean, in 2016. So, leading up to, like... 0.63

00:54:42.000 I started to lose a little weight in 2015. But I used to walk just under a buck ninety.

00:54:47.000 Yeah.

00:54:50.000 After that first six months on doxycycline, I was walking around at 163 pounds before the Tiago Alves fight.

00:54:59.000 Whoa! 0.78

00:55:00.000 Yeah, I lost a fuck ton of muscle. 0.96

00:55:02.000 And of course, it's like, oh, it's USADA. Jim's off the saws. 0.88

00:55:05.000 You know, it's like, no, I'm pooping so much.

00:55:08.000 Like, you have no idea.

00:55:10.000 Uh...

00:55:11.000 I just can't keep up with it.

00:55:13.000 But you were still fighting.

00:55:14.000 I was still fighting, yeah.

00:55:15.000 That's crazy.

00:55:16.000 But we're not even done, Joe.

00:55:20.000 So I was on it for six months, and I felt way better, you know, that was whatever it was, September, than I did in March.

00:55:31.000 So I was like, hey, Doc, do you think we can get off of the antibiotics?

00:55:36.000 And he's like, yeah, let's give it a try.

00:55:38.000 And it was about seven weeks, and then I started to feel like my symptoms were coming back. 0.98

00:55:43.000 And then me being an asshole, I'm like, no, no, they're not. 0.98

00:55:47.000 It's not the Lyme again. 0.99

00:55:49.000 So I kind of waited. 1.00

00:55:53.000 By the end of the year, it fucking kicked my ass. 0.99

00:55:58.000 Like, leading up into, what was that, 208, when I fought Dustin. 0.99

00:56:05.000 Like, that was the hardest couple weeks before a fight that I've ever had.

00:56:10.000 Like, I... Because I was trying to get back on the doxycycline.

00:56:14.000 I was trying to supplement even way better.

00:56:18.000 You're not supposed to take it within two hours before, two hours after supplements and stuff like that.

00:56:26.000 I don't like working out with food in my stomach.

00:56:29.000 And I can't take the doxy on an empty stomach because it makes my stomach upset. 0.99

00:56:35.000 Uh, so I was, like, trying to figure out, like, the best way to get back on it, and it just kept kicking my butt and kicking my butt. 0.74

00:56:41.000 Um, finally, like, I don't know, maybe two weeks before the fight, I started to kind of get it, get it dialed in.

00:56:48.000 Uh, and then, unfortunately, I was, like, fight week.

00:56:51.000 I was, uh, I was having a Herx, uh, reaction, and, and, uh, it was a really weird experience getting, uh, I was having, like, muscle tremors when I was cutting weight.

00:57:04.000 So, like, I was sitting there...

00:57:06.000 Oh, like, punching it?

00:57:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:09.000 Couldn't stop my arm from moving.

00:57:11.000 Wow.

00:57:11.000 That's gotta be freaky.

00:57:12.000 My vision was a little messed up, and I don't know if it was the lights or whatever, but, like, when I fought Dustin that night, like, to me, like, everything kind of had, like, a...

00:57:20.000 A yellow hue to it.

00:57:21.000 It was weird.

00:57:22.000 And I don't know if that was just my eyes being weird or what.

00:57:26.000 So this is the side effect of the virus exuding a poison?

00:57:30.000 Yeah.

00:57:30.000 Wow.

00:57:30.000 Yeah, because I finally kind of figured it out right before that fight.

00:57:37.000 So then, 2017, I was still dealing with it.

00:57:46.000 It was difficult.

00:57:48.000 The first half of the year was pretty difficult.

00:57:50.000 And then through the summer, it started to get a lot better for me.

00:57:59.000 I changed my diet.

00:58:00.000 I started eating a lot better food.

00:58:03.000 When I first found out I had Lyme, we were trying to...

00:58:08.000 I kind of adhere to the Lyme diet.

00:58:10.000 The Lyme diet is basically a paleo.

00:58:12.000 It's an inflammatory disease, so avoiding alcohol, sugar, gluten, dairy, stuff like that. 0.74

00:58:19.000 But I also had a bunch of little kids, and it's like, well, if I'm making my food and trying to make their food so they're not eating mac and cheese, hot dogs, and chicken fingers every day, this is going to be really fucking hard. 0.83

00:58:32.000 I've never adhered to that diet specifically, but Totally eat a ton more whole foods and vegetables and shit like that now. 0.86

00:58:42.000 And definitely I drink way less. 0.77

00:58:46.000 So how did you kill the Lyme?

00:58:49.000 Is it 100% done or do you still have relapses?

00:58:52.000 I haven't had a relapse since, yeah, about 2017, yeah.

00:58:59.000 Oh, that's nice. 0.99

00:59:00.000 So five fucking years of freedom. 0.99

00:59:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:59:03.000 And so you went through it for essentially like a solid four years?

00:59:08.000 A few years, yeah. 0.98

00:59:09.000 So it was, well, like, it took a while for it to start kicking my butt, you know? 0.86

00:59:14.000 Like I had that first instance in 2013 when I first got bit. 0.98

00:59:18.000 But then, like, I couldn't really tell anything, you know, But if you had gotten on antibiotics right then, you probably could have killed it.

00:59:24.000 Yeah.

00:59:25.000 Three to four weeks is usually what doctors will prescribe.

00:59:32.000 And if you catch it early, you usually fare pretty well with it.

00:59:38.000 But like, yeah, it was, I mean, 2017, I didn't feel like I could start really like, excuse me, like pushing myself and sprinting and lifting again until like maybe April of 2018. Wow.

00:59:56.000 And then I was still on Doxy through that period of time, so I basically took it for about two years.

01:00:01.000 So I had a six-month period, like eight weeks off, well, a little more than eight weeks off, but a couple months off, and then basically two years.

01:00:11.000 That's crazy.

01:00:12.000 That's a lot.

01:00:13.000 It is a lot.

01:00:14.000 And what made me completely stop, I kind of had figured it like...

01:00:19.000 Figured out how to, you know, the diet and all that stuff, right?

01:00:25.000 With the meds and supplements.

01:00:30.000 And I ended up getting, the stomach bug was going around, so the last time that I took doxycycline was New Year's Eve 2018. I rung in the New Year, puking my brains out, and I was like, I can't do this anymore.

01:00:47.000 It was a bad one, and it's like, that's it.

01:00:51.000 I haven't taken doxycycline since.

01:00:52.000 Did you have to take probiotics while you were taking that to help your gut health?

01:00:56.000 Yeah.

01:00:57.000 What stuff did you take?

01:00:58.000 Um, I took a few over the years.

01:01:04.000 Yeah, a couple different brands.

01:01:06.000 I was trying to...

01:01:07.000 What about fermented foods, like kimchi and stuff like that?

01:01:11.000 Right after that, when I was sick with that stomach bug, yeah, it was kefir and yogurt. 0.92

01:01:20.000 That's all I ate for a couple weeks was anything fermented, sauerkraut, unpasteurized sauerkraut, kimchi and shit. 0.95

01:01:28.000 It was a ball of gas, but... 0.97

01:01:33.000 But, yeah, I felt like it kind of kick-started me into, like, a little bit repairing maybe some of the damage. 0.96

01:01:39.000 I don't know if I totally did, but, yeah, it was a long fucking road, you know? 0.83

01:01:47.000 And it's such a shitty thing, because it's like, since people don't always test positive for it, it's hard to get diagnosed with it. 0.91

01:01:58.000 And you have to, like...

01:02:02.000 I mean, some doctors don't...

01:02:04.000 They don't, like...

01:02:06.000 It's not that they don't understand.

01:02:08.000 It's that they don't necessarily appreciate what everybody's going through.

01:02:12.000 And there's, like, kind of two schools of thought with it.

01:02:15.000 There's a lot that say, hey, you know, it doesn't matter how long you've had it, three weeks of doctor cycling is going to kill it.

01:02:21.000 And then there's the other side that's like, no. 0.98

01:02:23.000 Like, it can be fucking stubborn. 0.98

01:02:27.000 You know, and it's... 0.98

01:02:30.000 For me, it was easy because I was the one fighting it. 0.91

01:02:34.000 Like, I'll fucking deal with anything, you know? 0.86

01:02:39.000 The scary part is, like, my kids. 1.00

01:02:43.000 Like, fuck, man. 1.00

01:02:44.000 Like, it... 1.00

01:02:47.000 I don't want them to have to deal with the bullshit. 0.99

01:02:51.000 I'm used to being in pain. 0.99

01:02:54.000 I'm used to being uncomfortable because I appreciate it.

01:02:59.000 Being a lifelong athlete, it's like, oh yeah, my knees are sore, my back is sore.

01:03:04.000 It's supposed to be like that because it means I went hard yesterday.

01:03:08.000 Right.

01:03:08.000 You know?

01:03:10.000 I've had the opportunity to meet a lot of people that have been super, like...

01:03:21.000 Super tough and, you know, elegantly fought this thing. 0.57

01:03:29.000 It's a shitty little thing, you know? 1.00

01:03:32.000 Ticks are assholes. 1.00

01:03:34.000 They're fucking everywhere, too. 1.00

01:03:35.000 It's so common on the East Coast. 0.99

01:03:37.000 I know so many people that have Lyme disease.

01:03:39.000 Yeah.

01:03:40.000 And do you know what Morgellons is?

01:03:41.000 You ever hear of that?

01:03:42.000 Morgellons? 0.99

01:03:43.000 No.

01:03:44.000 Morgellons is a disease that they don't even know if it's real.

01:03:46.000 And I had to interview these people once at a Morgellons conference, and it's very strange because they feel like they have fiber growing out of their body, and they start itching themselves, and they hallucinate.

01:03:59.000 But one of the people that I talked to was a doctor, and he also has Morgellons, and he said, but one thing that we all have in common is, he goes, most of these people also have Lyme disease. 0.95

01:04:11.000 The links between Lyme and ALS and some other stuff, it's fucking wild. 0.71

01:04:19.000 Oh, that makes sense, right? 0.99

01:04:21.000 It's crazy.

01:04:21.000 Because it's got neurological issues.

01:04:23.000 What he was saying is that it's neurotoxic.

01:04:26.000 In that when you say Lyme disease, like if a tick carries Lyme, the way he was describing it to me, it's not as if it's like you can isolate a compound and that compound is Lyme.

01:04:37.000 He said, depending on the tick, it could have a host of different toxins along with this one that we consider Lyme.

01:04:45.000 It's not one thing.

01:04:47.000 And he said the Lyme disease itself, like when people have Lyme, one of the symptoms is this neurotoxicity.

01:04:56.000 And that in neurotoxicity, he believes that it can trigger hallucinations.

01:05:01.000 So he was seeing things moving across his eyes.

01:05:05.000 He would look at himself in the mirror and he thought he saw a worm moving across his eyelids.

01:05:10.000 So these people, they start scratching themselves and they itch like little holes in their skin.

01:05:17.000 And then you get carpet fibers or dog hair or something on it, and you think you're growing hairs out of these fibers, and part of it is because you're kind of hallucinating.

01:05:29.000 This is very controversial.

01:05:31.000 I'm not sure if this is right or wrong, but it made sense when he was saying it that everybody who he knows who has it are a large percentage of them.

01:05:39.000 Of course, in your situation, you didn't even test positive for Lyme, but he was saying a lot of these people also have Lyme disease.

01:05:46.000 There are a lot of like, I know of a lot of like co-infections, right?

01:05:50.000 So the, I always hack up the name, it's like Boreali or whatever is the typical like Lyme bacteria.

01:05:58.000 But sometimes there are certain types of like mold. 0.93

01:06:02.000 That creates sensitivities, and, um, I mean, shit, you get, what is the Lone Star tick? 0.99

01:06:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:06:09.000 With, uh, you get allergic to red meat.

01:06:11.000 Yeah, Alpha Gal.

01:06:12.000 My friend Evan has that.

01:06:14.000 Yeah, Evan Haver, yeah.

01:06:14.000 Yeah, you know Evan.

01:06:15.000 Yeah, he was, uh, we were hunting together, and he couldn't eat red meat.

01:06:19.000 I was like, what are you saying?

01:06:21.000 Yeah, we've talked about it a little bit. 1.00

01:06:22.000 It sucks. 0.99

01:06:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:24.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:06:25.000 I know that would be the worst. 1.00

01:06:28.000 That's 80% of my diet.

01:06:29.000 Yeah.

01:06:31.000 You know, and he just, he shot a giant elk too.

01:06:33.000 So there's like 400 pounds of red meat that you can't eat.

01:06:38.000 I haven't asked him, like, what were your symptoms?

01:06:40.000 Right.

01:06:40.000 Like, could you tough that out?

01:06:42.000 Yeah.

01:06:42.000 Yeah, I think it's bad.

01:06:44.000 I think it's pretty bad.

01:06:45.000 You get a little itchy?

01:06:47.000 Right, right, right. 1.00

01:06:49.000 It does your asshole prolapse. 1.00

01:06:51.000 One of my kids is allergic to dairy, but she'll take a lactate if she wants ice cream and just fart it out. 1.00

01:06:59.000 She had no idea why.

01:07:00.000 She was so farty. 0.99

01:07:02.000 Then we realized we had to run some tests.

01:07:05.000 She has a legitimate allergy to lactose.

01:07:09.000 My...

01:07:12.000 My oldest, when she was born, she was lactose intolerant, so she was just fussy.

01:07:18.000 We didn't figure it out until we put her on, even though I hate it, we put her on soy formula, and it was day and night.

01:07:29.000 All of a sudden, she's sleeping.

01:07:31.000 And then my youngest, he was lactose intolerant for, I don't know, Maybe the first year or so.

01:07:39.000 And then he kind of grew out of it.

01:07:42.000 That's interesting.

01:07:43.000 Yeah.

01:07:43.000 My middle daughter was like that too.

01:07:45.000 We gave her milk one time and she threw it up all over the place. 1.00

01:07:50.000 And I was like, that's interesting.

01:07:52.000 What's going on?

01:07:54.000 Formula with milk, like milk formula.

01:07:56.000 She couldn't tolerate it.

01:07:58.000 But breast milk, no problem.

01:08:00.000 Yeah.

01:08:00.000 And then as she got older, it went away.

01:08:03.000 But now she just avoids it.

01:08:06.000 It's nice when your kids eat healthy.

01:08:08.000 My kids eat healthy, fortunately.

01:08:11.000 But man, it would be a trip when one of their friends would stay over and you'd have to feed them.

01:08:18.000 And they're like, what do you eat?

01:08:19.000 You don't eat that?

01:08:21.000 It's like, can you give me pasta with butter?

01:08:24.000 That's all you eat?

01:08:25.000 Okay, I'll...

01:08:26.000 We can definitely have pasta with butter, but I need you to know that there's nothing in there.

01:08:31.000 There's no protein in there.

01:08:33.000 There's no vitamins in there.

01:08:34.000 You're not getting any real food.

01:08:35.000 My kids are good.

01:08:37.000 They have their picky moment, except for Wyatt, my 10-year-old.

01:08:42.000 That kid will eat anything, and he will out-eat the both of us combined.

01:08:48.000 And he's like, you know... 0.99

01:08:52.000 I mean, he's a decently sized kid, but he's fucking strong as an ox. 0.98

01:08:58.000 He's not a huge kid, and he will eat like a man, and he always has. 0.98

01:09:04.000 He always has.

01:09:05.000 He's like four years old.

01:09:07.000 Isn't it weird how different they are?

01:09:08.000 Out of the box, personalities are different, everything's different.

01:09:11.000 Same household, same parents, same rules.

01:09:15.000 They come out of the womb different.

01:09:18.000 I mean, I used to think I was more skeptical of the nature, and I thought it was much more nurture with the way kids' personalities are formed.

01:09:27.000 But watching my own kids, they're so damn different from the jump.

01:09:31.000 Yeah.

01:09:32.000 So my oldest, like...

01:09:36.000 I didn't read any books.

01:09:40.000 I was like, it's a baby.

01:09:41.000 We're gonna figure it out, right?

01:09:43.000 Be cool with it.

01:09:45.000 How hard can it be?

01:09:48.000 When she was born...

01:09:51.000 She had, I don't know, probably three, four inch long black hair.

01:09:57.000 She had hair on her arms and legs.

01:10:00.000 When she was born?

01:10:01.000 Yeah, when she was born.

01:10:03.000 She had hair on her legs? 1.00

01:10:03.000 Yeah, like Popeye forearms and calves. 1.00

01:10:06.000 She was a little monkey. 1.00

01:10:11.000 She popped out and I was like, holy shit, I have a picture of her at a day old holding her head up. 1.00

01:10:16.000 Whoa. 0.99

01:10:17.000 Yeah.

01:10:17.000 She's laying on my chest.

01:10:18.000 I'm doing like the, you know, the skin to skin thing.

01:10:21.000 And my wife snapped it. 1.00

01:10:22.000 She like picks her head up and I'm like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:10:25.000 You know, the other three, like total newborn baby, like, you know, loose head and all that stuff. 0.99

01:10:32.000 And it was like a complete trip going from her who, I mean, as soon as she could stand, she could run and jump.

01:10:39.000 Wow.

01:10:39.000 Like she was just, she was born at three months old.

01:10:42.000 It was like, it was crazy.

01:10:43.000 That's wild. 1.00

01:10:44.000 Yeah, and she's shit. 1.00

01:10:47.000 So she'll be 12 in like a month and a half. 1.00

01:10:52.000 And she's as tall as I was when I was like 16. Wow.

01:10:58.000 Like, she's totally gonna be taller than me.

01:11:00.000 I mean, my dad is...

01:11:03.000 Well, was 6'4 before he squished all his discs.

01:11:06.000 How old is she now, though?

01:11:08.000 She's 12. Just about 12. That's usually when they hit periods, right?

01:11:12.000 12, 13. We don't want to go over that.

01:11:13.000 Yeah, I know.

01:11:14.000 Believe me, I've been through it.

01:11:16.000 But when they do that, that's when they kind of stop growing.

01:11:20.000 Yeah, for girls.

01:11:21.000 Boys keep going.

01:11:22.000 Boys keep going until sometimes like 19. Yeah. 0.93

01:11:26.000 It's...

01:11:27.000 Yeah, it's wild, the difference.

01:11:29.000 So I got girl, boy, girl, boy.

01:11:31.000 Was your dad a wrestler as well?

01:11:34.000 No, no.

01:11:34.000 My dad, I think he wrestled like one or two years, but he...

01:11:41.000 He probably could have played football.

01:11:43.000 He was a big dude.

01:11:45.000 How did he smash his discs? 1.00

01:11:46.000 Carrying heavy shit. 0.99

01:11:50.000 My dad still is today, just in a different way, but growing up he was a cartoon character. 0.99

01:11:57.000 Like, I was looking through some pictures and I posted one a couple weeks ago. 0.99

01:12:03.000 He looks like fucking Mr. Incredible from the cartoon movie, you know, the Pixar stuff. 0.97

01:12:08.000 Like, his head is just fucking this giant block and, like, the one picture, I mean, he's got... 0.98

01:12:14.000 The 80s shirt, and it's like a v-neck or something, and it's just this big plume of fucking black chest hair coming out. 0.98

01:12:21.000 And it's like, dude, like, he was, yeah, he was 6'4", 240, like, just, it's towered above everybody. 0.96

01:12:29.000 And everybody always thought he was...

01:12:32.000 Everybody thought he was, like, bigger than that.

01:12:34.000 Like, it's okay.

01:12:34.000 You know, I've met plenty of people who are bigger than he was, but he had this, like, presence that he was, like, seven foot tall and, you know, 500 pounds.

01:12:43.000 Like, but yeah, he used to carry just stupid shit. 0.99

01:12:49.000 Did he get his discs fused? 1.00

01:12:51.000 No, no.

01:12:52.000 They're just still kind of... 1.00

01:12:54.000 That's a shit design. 0.99

01:12:56.000 The disc is a shit design because it's one of the things that goes in fighters and wrestlers and jiu-jitsu people more than anything. 1.00

01:13:04.000 Everyone I know that does jiu-jitsu has disc issues. 0.99

01:13:08.000 After a while, you just hit a point where something's wrong.

01:13:11.000 Yeah.

01:13:12.000 He definitely, like, exacerbated those issues.

01:13:17.000 Like, I've seen him...

01:13:18.000 So, used to do, like, residential framing, you know, the, like, skeleton of the house. 1.00

01:13:24.000 And this one builder that he used to work for, a guy was a little tiny Italian guy, was a bit of an asshole. 1.00

01:13:32.000 He wouldn't, like, backfill the houses to the foundation. 0.99

01:13:35.000 So, it was...

01:13:36.000 You had, like...

01:13:37.000 One spot to maybe bring lumber in to the foundation.

01:13:44.000 When we're doing the beams in the basement, you'd have this 40-foot beam that weighs 800 pounds, and you really don't have a good way to get it across the fucking To the other side. 0.98

01:13:58.000 So that motherfucker would cinch his tool belt tight, tall enough, his shoulder just fit right where the middle of the beam was, and he would pick that fucking shit up and walk across the stone, you know, three-quarter gravel stone basement, get to the other end, lean back a little bit, lift it up, and put it on the side. 0.99

01:14:17.000 800 pounds? 1.00

01:14:18.000 800 pounds, yeah.

01:14:19.000 He dragged 800 pounds?

01:14:20.000 He carried 800 pounds.

01:14:23.000 Carried?

01:14:23.000 Like, off the ground?

01:14:24.000 Off the ground.

01:14:26.000 Yeah.

01:14:27.000 Yep.

01:14:28.000 That's insane.

01:14:29.000 It is insane.

01:14:30.000 That sounds like one of the strongest humans that's ever lived.

01:14:34.000 He's got some stories.

01:14:35.000 How long is the beam?

01:14:36.000 40 feet.

01:14:38.000 How is that possible?

01:14:40.000 So we weighed it.

01:14:42.000 So every foot weighed like 19 and just under 20 pounds.

01:14:45.000 So he's in the center of this?

01:14:46.000 Yep.

01:14:47.000 Bouncing on his shoulder.

01:14:49.000 800 pounds?

01:14:50.000 Yeah, 800 pounds. 0.99

01:14:51.000 It's fucking wild. 0.99

01:14:52.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:14:53.000 It's almost hard to believe.

01:14:54.000 It is hard to believe. 1.00

01:14:55.000 I've seen him almost die a few times, too, because he's doing stupid shit. 1.00

01:14:59.000 Really? 1.00

01:15:00.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:15:01.000 There were a couple occasions where it's like, oh, fuck. 0.99

01:15:03.000 You know, like, he's not going to be moving. 0.99

01:15:08.000 We were raising a great room wall.

01:15:10.000 So it was a two by six wall.

01:15:12.000 And we had this machine, this rough terrain forklift. 1.00

01:15:18.000 And it was the biggest piece of shit. 1.00

01:15:20.000 Like, company colors were rust. 1.00

01:15:22.000 Like, that's...

01:15:25.000 We didn't have a shit ton of money growing up.

01:15:28.000 It saved so much time having this forklift.

01:15:32.000 So he buys this thing.

01:15:33.000 It had an old straight six from a...

01:15:36.000 I think it was a six.

01:15:38.000 It might have been a four.

01:15:38.000 From a Jeep that was...

01:15:43.000 Taken by the Nazis in World War II and actually had a swastika welded onto the case of it.

01:15:50.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:15:51.000 He found this thing in a junkyard.

01:15:53.000 Really?

01:15:53.000 Yeah.

01:15:56.000 It was the biggest piece of shit, but it saved us so much time getting stuff up to the second floor and all that shit. 0.99

01:16:05.000 It got to a point where it would just constantly stall. 1.00

01:16:08.000 It had zero breaks.

01:16:11.000 He's lifting this wall.

01:16:13.000 And, uh, or going to lift this wall in, like, kind of position, and so we had it laid out.

01:16:18.000 So you got these 2x6s, and there's, like, the king stud, which runs up where the header is, you know, the big piece that, like, over the windows and fireplace, um, and, uh, and then, like, liners.

01:16:31.000 So it was, like, I think it was three.

01:16:33.000 I think it was three 2x6s.

01:16:35.000 Um, so he's driving.

01:16:36.000 It's got this tiny little cage, like, over top of it.

01:16:39.000 And it stalls, so the machine starts rolling backwards, and these two-by-sixes get caught on the back of the cage. 0.60

01:16:47.000 And, like, it's winding back, and my brothers and I are up on the second floor, and we start fucking screaming at them, because you see it just, like, winding up.

01:16:56.000 So he looks and he sees it and he throws his head down as hard as he can as the 2x6 slides off. 0.74

01:17:04.000 And it was like a Sammy Sosa 450-yard bomb.

01:17:09.000 Like, crack!

01:17:10.000 And it's like, I'm jumping off the second floor.

01:17:14.000 You know, my brothers are sliding down the studs to get down to the floor.

01:17:20.000 And he rolls out.

01:17:22.000 He rolls out and he, like, gets up.

01:17:25.000 The machine rolls into the woods. 1.00

01:17:26.000 And he's like, fuck it. 1.00

01:17:28.000 You know, he starts swearing. 1.00

01:17:29.000 He's like, Yosemite Sam, you know, bumps anything.

01:17:33.000 He starts swearing like a sailor.

01:17:36.000 And it's like...

01:17:38.000 You're standing up. 1.00

01:17:39.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:17:40.000 Like, you should be dead. 1.00

01:17:41.000 Like, you should literally... 1.00

01:17:42.000 Your brain should be, like, 20 feet that way. 0.53

01:17:45.000 Wow.

01:17:46.000 Yeah, so he ended up, you know, the back of his head ended up swelling up pretty good, but he was okay, you know?

01:17:52.000 Concussion, but, like, okay.

01:17:54.000 You come from durable jeans.

01:17:55.000 Yeah, dude.

01:17:56.000 Like, he actually got a...

01:17:58.000 An MRI a few years later.

01:18:02.000 And the doctor's like, you know, he's like, you know, your brain looks good and everything.

01:18:06.000 He's like, you know, one interesting thing is that for the size of your head, your brain is kind of small.

01:18:15.000 He's like, so you're telling me I've got a BB in a boxcar?

01:18:18.000 He's like, pretty much.

01:18:19.000 Wow, that's weird.

01:18:21.000 He's got Homer Simpsonitis, so it's like he's just got an extra thick layer of bone around his head.

01:18:27.000 Oh, man.

01:18:27.000 Yeah, so there have been a couple others that were like, dude.

01:18:31.000 I saw him cut himself with a chainsaw once.

01:18:32.000 That was exciting.

01:18:33.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:18:35.000 Yeah.

01:18:35.000 It's funny how some people are just born more durable.

01:18:38.000 Mm-hmm.

01:18:39.000 Do you ever see when they examined Marvin Hagler's head?

01:18:44.000 No.

01:18:45.000 Marvin Hagler, who's one of the greatest boxers of all time, one of my favorite all-time boxers, Marvin had muscle on the outside of his head like headgear.

01:18:55.000 They said the size of the muscle outside of his head was far larger than a normal person, like unusually large, to the point where it's literally like he had a cushion on the side of his head.

01:19:09.000 So weird.

01:19:10.000 Well, he also had a tremendous chin anyway. 0.99

01:19:12.000 He was only knocked down once ever in his whole career, but it was a bullshit knockdown. 0.99

01:19:17.000 God, I forget it. 0.99

01:19:18.000 Juan Roldan.

01:19:19.000 I'm pretty sure it was Juan Roldan, but it was a fake knockdown.

01:19:23.000 It should have been a slip, and they called it a knockdown.

01:19:26.000 It's like, man.

01:19:27.000 It sucked, because you go and watch the punches he absorbed from... 0.97

01:19:33.000 Murderous knockout punchers like John the Beast Mugabe. 0.98

01:19:36.000 Tommy Hearns never goes down.

01:19:38.000 And this one slip, it was almost like the guy cuffed him in the back and kind of pushed him down.

01:19:44.000 But his head, he had built in these muscles right here, the mandible muscles.

01:19:51.000 They were extra thick. 0.98

01:19:53.000 That's the fucked up part is that my head is just as big around as my dad's. 0.99

01:19:59.000 And he's... 0.99

01:20:02.000 Eight inches taller than me, and it's like I could take my hat and plop it onto his head.

01:20:06.000 That's crazy.

01:20:07.000 If I didn't have a hunched over Quasimodo posture, I'd probably look like a lollipop.

01:20:19.000 But yeah, his head is super. 0.99

01:20:23.000 Do you ever go back and look at your career and go, man, what would have happened if I didn't have that fucking Lyme disease? 0.99

01:20:31.000 No, not really. 0.99

01:20:32.000 Just deal with it?

01:20:33.000 Yeah, just deal with it.

01:20:34.000 I'm not that type.

01:20:37.000 I'm good at what's right in front of me.

01:20:39.000 Like, going forward. 0.98

01:20:42.000 You know, I mean, even with the positive shit, you know, it's like, okay. 1.00

01:20:46.000 You gotta be that way if you're that way with the negative shit. 0.99

01:20:49.000 Yeah, like, okay, that's good. 0.99

01:20:50.000 That's awesome.

01:20:51.000 You know, like, oh, I won.

01:20:52.000 I won and I won a bonus and, you know, I made a bunch of money.

01:20:55.000 Great.

01:20:56.000 When's the next one?

01:20:57.000 Like, what's next?

01:21:00.000 You know, like, I've obviously, like, there are a couple fights where it's like, I'd like that one back.

01:21:06.000 But, you know, I don't have a time machine.

01:21:09.000 What are you going to do?

01:21:10.000 Yeah.

01:21:11.000 What is this booze you brought?

01:21:12.000 What is going on here?

01:21:13.000 Tell me about this.

01:21:14.000 You make your own booze now.

01:21:16.000 Well, I have it in a little bit.

01:21:18.000 These are actually, well, that is...

01:21:21.000 So this one right here is a coffee liqueur, like basically a cold brew, an alcoholic cold brew.

01:21:29.000 Like a Kahlua type deal?

01:21:31.000 It's less syrupy than Kahlua.

01:21:33.000 So I make one... 1.00

01:21:34.000 Crack that bitch open. 1.00

01:21:35.000 Let's find out what's up. 1.00

01:21:36.000 I make one.

01:21:37.000 They're better cold than they're not.

01:21:38.000 Well, maybe it's better to have it when it's not cold.

01:21:42.000 You see how good it really is.

01:21:43.000 Yeah.

01:21:44.000 So, yeah, so this...

01:21:46.000 Should we get ice cubes?

01:21:48.000 Or should we just drink it like this?

01:21:49.000 Let's try it.

01:21:49.000 All right.

01:21:50.000 Let me try it.

01:21:51.000 Pour a little of that.

01:21:52.000 Let's see what's up.

01:21:53.000 So how did you learn how to do this?

01:21:57.000 I just read stuff.

01:22:00.000 And just started practicing?

01:22:03.000 Yeah, you know what? 0.99

01:22:03.000 Reading comprehension, it fucking works. 0.99

01:22:05.000 How does one learn how to make a coffee liqueur? 0.99

01:22:09.000 Cheers, sir.

01:22:09.000 Cheers.

01:22:10.000 So this one, I made up the recipe myself.

01:22:17.000 Whoa.

01:22:20.000 That's an acquired taste.

01:22:23.000 That is not that bad.

01:22:25.000 When I first make it, it's pretty hot.

01:22:28.000 When it's cold, like I said, it'll be...

01:22:30.000 It's not bad, though.

01:22:31.000 It's interesting.

01:22:32.000 It's got a...

01:22:32.000 It is like a liqueur.

01:22:35.000 I guess like a Kahlua-ish, but not...

01:22:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:22:39.000 Essentially, this one's just like some cold brew with some other stuff in it and then some Everclear.

01:22:44.000 Is that what you add to it?

01:22:46.000 Yeah, yeah, because it's highly alcoholic and it doesn't affect the flavor.

01:22:51.000 Do you make your own Everclear?

01:22:52.000 No, no, I can't.

01:22:54.000 Oh, jeez!

01:22:56.000 Jesus!

01:22:57.000 No, that was an inadvertent cough.

01:22:59.000 I think I have allergies now.

01:23:00.000 That's the thing about moving to Austin is they say you develop allergies.

01:23:04.000 You got any allergies, Jamie?

01:23:06.000 Uh, yeah, sure.

01:23:08.000 Did you get them before you came here?

01:23:09.000 I had them.

01:23:10.000 I lived in Ohio a long time.

01:23:11.000 Yeah.

01:23:12.000 Had some weird stuff.

01:23:13.000 Starting to get, like, I'll get, like, runny nose and I think I'm sick, but then I work out and I feel great. 0.98

01:23:17.000 I'm like, hmm, I think this is a fucking allergy. 0.96

01:23:19.000 Because the pollen's in the air. 0.98

01:23:21.000 Like, I went out to my car.

01:23:22.000 I have a black truck.

01:23:23.000 It was covered with, like, yellow stuff.

01:23:25.000 Like, this is wild. 0.99

01:23:27.000 So much fucking pollen. 0.98

01:23:28.000 I got to like 26 before I experienced any allergies, and then I broke my nose and my septums mushed to the side, so now I have like a constant post-nasal drip, and it's like I experience a little bit of allergies. 0.99

01:23:42.000 When you retire, are you going to get that fixed?

01:23:43.000 I am.

01:23:44.000 After seeing Dudley's pictures, it's like, ugh.

01:23:47.000 Oh, I told him to do it.

01:23:48.000 I got mine done. 0.99

01:23:49.000 Man, it was the greatest fucking thing. 0.99

01:23:51.000 I fell down a flight of stairs when I was five. 0.99

01:23:53.000 And I think from then on, I've never had a nose. 0.74

01:23:56.000 My nose has been useless.

01:23:58.000 And then, obviously, all the years of combat sports.

01:24:01.000 And I broke it, I don't know how many times.

01:24:05.000 And then I got it fixed.

01:24:07.000 And when I got it fixed, it was all of a sudden like... 0.99

01:24:10.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:24:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:24:14.000 I used to go to yoga class, and they'd go, breathe out of your nose.

01:24:17.000 And I'm like, that's not possible.

01:24:18.000 My nose doesn't work.

01:24:19.000 I had no nose.

01:24:20.000 And you could hear my voice back then.

01:24:22.000 It was a different voice.

01:24:24.000 It was a more nasally voice.

01:24:26.000 And it just changed everything.

01:24:28.000 It changed my cardio.

01:24:28.000 My cardio went up a solid 10%.

01:24:31.000 Oh, wow.

01:24:31.000 Like, immediately.

01:24:32.000 I was like, this is wild.

01:24:33.000 I was like, mouth breather.

01:24:35.000 I was a mouth breather.

01:24:37.000 There's a lot of people that are mouth breathers.

01:24:39.000 You know, like Justin Gaethje, you hear him talk.

01:24:42.000 Every time he talks, it sounds like this.

01:24:44.000 He's just stuffed up.

01:24:46.000 All the wars.

01:24:47.000 Because he can get scar tissue in there, too.

01:24:49.000 That's what I didn't understand, is that the way the doctor was describing it to me, he said, it's just like cauliflower ear.

01:24:54.000 And you get cauliflower ear, and you get all the blood pools, and it calcifies, and it becomes hard. 0.93

01:25:00.000 He goes, that shit happens on the inside of your nose. 0.99

01:25:02.000 He didn't say that shit, but he said, that happens on the inside of your nose as well. 1.00

01:25:06.000 I was like, really? 1.00

01:25:07.000 He's like, yeah, your nose is a disaster area.

01:25:09.000 He's like, you have like maybe one-eighth of one nostril.

01:25:14.000 He said, the rest of your nose is totally closed.

01:25:17.000 I was like, oh.

01:25:18.000 Because one side, on my left side I go, I could get a little. 0.99

01:25:22.000 And the right side was just junk, just garbage. 0.97

01:25:25.000 There's nothing going on on that side. 0.96

01:25:27.000 Funny thing about Cod Fire, so the only time I've ever seen that...

01:25:31.000 So when I fought Frankie, like, he's beaten me, you know?

01:25:37.000 So I go into the third round, and I'm like, I just gotta do something big.

01:25:40.000 So I rip a left high kick. 0.99

01:25:42.000 And, of course, I don't hit him in the temple. 0.52

01:25:44.000 I don't hit him in the chin.

01:25:45.000 I hit him, like, right across the cheekbone and the ear.

01:25:49.000 So his calcified cauliflower rips open and this chunk of like...

01:25:55.000 Rock. 1.00

01:25:56.000 Shit, yeah. 1.00

01:25:56.000 Goes flying over to the other side of the cage. 1.00

01:25:59.000 And like one of the state athletic guys like scoops it up. 0.93

01:26:02.000 They ended up, his old coach like took it and put it in formaldehyde and shit like that. 0.54

01:26:08.000 How big was the chunk? 0.97

01:26:09.000 I think it was like, you know, maybe the size of a nickel.

01:26:12.000 Wow.

01:26:13.000 Yeah.

01:26:15.000 So, that was right before tryouts for UFC, rather, Tough 5. So, like, I think it was like three weeks prior.

01:26:24.000 So, like, we go down there.

01:26:25.000 My eye is bloodshot red still. 0.99

01:26:28.000 And his freaking ear is as black as his mug. 0.99

01:26:31.000 It looks like it was going to fall off. 0.99

01:26:34.000 Oh, my God.

01:26:35.000 Cauliflower ear is so nasty.

01:26:37.000 There was one MMA fight in Japan. 0.99

01:26:40.000 I forget who was fighting, but a chunk fell off that was the size of a fucking silver dollar. 0.75

01:26:48.000 It was this giant chunk of this dude's ear fell off, and there was a photo of it on the canvas, and it was missing from his ear, and there was blood pouring out of the side of his head, because it's basically a rock. 0.90

01:26:59.000 You don't have much.

01:27:00.000 You don't have much cauliflower.

01:27:01.000 No, not too bad.

01:27:02.000 Not too bad.

01:27:03.000 Like Randy.

01:27:03.000 Yeah.

01:27:04.000 Randy Couture, he's got goddamn gophers living in his ears. 1.00

01:27:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:07.000 I mean, they're just huge lumps. 1.00

01:27:09.000 Yeah.

01:27:09.000 And that is a rock.

01:27:11.000 It's a calcified rock.

01:27:12.000 Yeah.

01:27:13.000 And Randy told me that he would rub it in guys' eyes.

01:27:15.000 Like, when he'd take guys down.

01:27:17.000 Like, he would, like, shove it into their eye socket.

01:27:20.000 And, like, it's basically a rock in your eye as he's taking you down.

01:27:24.000 Really a point of leverage.

01:27:26.000 Yeah.

01:27:27.000 Kind of makes sense, right?

01:27:28.000 Yeah.

01:27:29.000 I mean, I guess it's a...

01:27:31.000 I feel like it makes your ear a little more fragile.

01:27:35.000 It does.

01:27:35.000 Right?

01:27:36.000 So, like, you might dig it into his eye and then rip your ear off. 0.95

01:27:39.000 Yeah, it does. 0.81

01:27:41.000 Jessica, I fought...

01:27:42.000 Yeah.

01:27:42.000 Man, who's the woman she fought?

01:27:45.000 Laura... 0.99

01:27:48.000 God damn it. 0.99

01:27:48.000 Yeah, you're asking about names. 0.99

01:27:51.000 I'm not good with names.

01:27:52.000 Pulled Jessica Eye's career up.

01:27:54.000 They stopped it.

01:27:56.000 They stopped the fight because her ear was hanging off. 0.91

01:28:00.000 Leslie Smith.

01:28:00.000 Thank you.

01:28:01.000 Why did I say Laura?

01:28:02.000 Leslie Smith.

01:28:02.000 So Jessica Eye hits her and it splatters and we see this hole.

01:28:08.000 There it is.

01:28:09.000 It's like basically hanging off.

01:28:12.000 Like, look at that. 0.92

01:28:13.000 There's a hole in her head. 1.00

01:28:15.000 And Leslie Smith's so tough, she didn't... 0.76

01:28:17.000 Look at that.

01:28:17.000 That's the splatter.

01:28:18.000 She did not want to stop the fight.

01:28:21.000 Didn't that happen to James Thompson, too, right?

01:28:26.000 Yes.

01:28:26.000 But that was cauliflower.

01:28:29.000 Or his liquid pot.

01:28:30.000 Yeah, that was liquid.

01:28:32.000 It wasn't cauliflower yet.

01:28:34.000 And it popped and they stopped the fight.

01:28:36.000 And we're like, what are you doing?

01:28:37.000 You can't stop that.

01:28:38.000 It's funny what someone will stop and won't stop a fight for.

01:28:43.000 Yeah.

01:28:46.000 That's another one.

01:28:48.000 The cage-side doctors, it's like you have to try to make a call.

01:28:52.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:28:53.000 Oh, boy.

01:28:56.000 Yeah.

01:28:56.000 It was bleeding pretty bad.

01:28:59.000 Yeah.

01:28:59.000 But it's still, it's like, oh, well, you know what?

01:29:02.000 He could have stopped the fight for that.

01:29:04.000 Yeah, that's better.

01:29:06.000 He could have stopped the fight just for that. 1.00

01:29:08.000 It's like, it's a fucking referee. 1.00

01:29:10.000 That's funny. 1.00

01:29:10.000 That's big damn. 1.00

01:29:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:12.000 Yeah, that was a lot of blood coming out of his ear, but I think the punch that Kimbo hit him with was worth the knockout. 0.65

01:29:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:21.000 The ear thing is weird because that fucks with your hearing. 0.62

01:29:25.000 If you take your ear and you bend it over and listen to things like that, it sounds different.

01:29:31.000 And then you pop it open, boink, and now you hear everything.

01:29:34.000 That's how you're supposed to hear.

01:29:36.000 The ear is designed that way for a reason.

01:29:39.000 So I never wore headgear as a wrestler.

01:29:45.000 Ever.

01:29:45.000 You know, like I had to for matches, but at practice, I never wore it.

01:29:49.000 Never got caught fire.

01:29:50.000 I'm training for my first fight, and all of a sudden, it's like my right ear starts puffing up, you know?

01:29:56.000 So, I get through the fight, and it's like a golf ball, you know, on the side of my head.

01:30:03.000 So...

01:30:05.000 My brother, my oldest brother, is a veterinarian.

01:30:12.000 So at the time, he was in vet school down at UPenn.

01:30:15.000 So he was two hours away from us.

01:30:17.000 So he comes up for Thanksgiving, a weekend before Thanksgiving, and drains it.

01:30:24.000 He's also stitched me up a couple times on my parents' couch before some of those earlier fights when I got cut in training.

01:30:30.000 But the Athletic Commission doesn't need to know about that.

01:30:36.000 So he drains it.

01:30:39.000 It was like Wednesday night, drains it. 0.99

01:30:43.000 Thanksgiving, I'm fucking around with Dan, rolling around the floor, and he just goes and smushes it. 0.98

01:30:49.000 Like before his eyes, it swells right back up. 0.98

01:30:53.000 So when it swelled up, again, it covered the hole in my ear.

01:31:00.000 So a few days later, I ended up getting, like, a swimmer's ear infection.

01:31:04.000 And that was, like, top two most painful things, like, that have, I guess, lasted.

01:31:11.000 I'm sure that I've done some things that, like, hurt instantly, like, a lot more.

01:31:16.000 But, like, the whole side of my neck was swollen.

01:31:19.000 I go to a...

01:31:21.000 Urgent care.

01:31:22.000 And the guy, instead of like drawing it out and bolstering it and stuff like that, like you're supposed to do, he just lances it, cuts my ear open.

01:31:30.000 Oh Jesus. 0.98

01:31:32.000 Squeezes the shit out and like gauzes my ear to my head. 0.99

01:31:35.000 And I'm like, dude, like I've got a fucking infection in my ear. 0.99

01:31:37.000 I can't turn my head. 0.98

01:31:38.000 Didn't give me any antibiotics or anything like that.

01:31:40.000 Wow.

01:31:41.000 Like sends me out of there. 1.00

01:31:42.000 I'm like, you're a prick. 0.99

01:31:43.000 So I ended up going to, you know, a specialist. 1.00

01:31:47.000 I had fucking no money going to the specialist. 0.88

01:31:51.000 And he ended up doing it right, you know, putting a wick in there. 0.98

01:31:54.000 I couldn't hear anything for like three weeks.

01:31:58.000 I'd be driving to practice and Dan would be talking.

01:32:02.000 And all I could hear was the speaker on my left side, and he's having a conversation.

01:32:10.000 Nothing, absolutely nothing.

01:32:12.000 And then since then I've gotten a couple little ones, but when mine is swelled up and liquid, it's never hurt me.

01:32:22.000 A lot of people complain about the pain from that, but I've had them be bruised and sore.

01:32:31.000 But, like, never, like, the cauliflower, when it's growing, like, has hurt. 0.99

01:32:35.000 But that infection fucking... 0.96

01:32:36.000 That hurt, like, a bit. 0.99

01:32:37.000 Yeah, man.

01:32:38.000 It's funny how vulnerable your ears are. 0.99

01:32:40.000 Like, your equilibrium gets all fucked up, too. 0.99

01:32:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:32:44.000 Actually, mine are still healing.

01:32:46.000 I was out in Utah last week at the Traeger event, and it was so loud.

01:32:54.000 Like, I kind of partially, like...

01:32:58.000 Blew my ear out a little bit at this party.

01:33:00.000 Really?

01:33:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:01.000 It was that loud?

01:33:02.000 It was that loud.

01:33:02.000 So for a few days, it's kind of going away, but like higher pitch noises sound like they're behind me.

01:33:08.000 Do you have a thing from gunshots?

01:33:11.000 No, because I wear my ear pro.

01:33:12.000 You always do?

01:33:13.000 Well, I mean, not when I'm like hunting or anything like that, but if I'm shooting.

01:33:16.000 Right. 0.99

01:33:17.000 I know a lot of guys that are hunters that have fucked up ears. 0.93

01:33:21.000 Especially guys who've been doing it a long time because they didn't realize back in the day that you get ear damage from gunshots. 0.78

01:33:31.000 Yeah, I mean, sometimes it's like, I don't wear anything like when I'm pheasant hunting.

01:33:38.000 And sometimes you shoot a decent amount of times, but the shotgun is not as bad.

01:33:44.000 Sometimes when I'm shooting, if I have to shoot, or I decide not have to shoot, I haven't had to shoot my rifle or one of my rifles or the handguns, but they're a little sharper sounding. 0.99

01:33:58.000 They fucking hurt. 0.99

01:34:00.000 Oh yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:34:02.000 I have a 9mm Remington Ultramag with a muzzle brake, and it sounds like...

01:34:10.000 I guess it's a 7mm.

01:34:14.000 Yeah, 7mm.

01:34:15.000 7mm Remington Ultramag. 1.00

01:34:17.000 And it sounds like a fucking camera going off. 1.00

01:34:19.000 It sounds so goddamn loud. 1.00

01:34:21.000 And if I don't have earphones on, or headsets on, if I don't have something, You're fucked. 1.00

01:34:27.000 I would never hunt with that without some kind of plugs in. 1.00

01:34:31.000 Yeah, you better be taking one shot. 0.55

01:34:33.000 Yeah, follow-up shot, you're going to go deaf. 0.99

01:34:36.000 Just the other day, I was shooting with my son.

01:34:40.000 So I've got a.308 bolt gun, and I had him like...

01:34:45.000 You know, laying and prone, and we were shooting it at 200 yards.

01:34:49.000 And every time I'm sitting there, I got my binos up, and just the way the break was made, it's like throwing the gases kind of back.

01:34:59.000 It's like getting slapped. 0.99

01:35:01.000 And I kept flinching like a little bitch. 1.00

01:35:02.000 And I'm like, all right, he's going to pull the trigger. 1.00

01:35:05.000 Like, just don't flinch.

01:35:06.000 Like, keep your eyes on the target. 0.99

01:35:08.000 And every fucking time I kept like... 0.99

01:35:10.000 Blinking and fucking jarring myself. 0.99

01:35:13.000 I have a friend who was a guide and he lost his hearing because the guy had a muzzle break and the guy swung to take a shot. 1.00

01:35:21.000 I think it was at a pig.

01:35:22.000 I forgot what he said, but it was too close to his head. 1.00

01:35:25.000 It blew his fucking ears out. 1.00

01:35:26.000 No hearing now. 1.00

01:35:27.000 He wears hearing aids.

01:35:29.000 It's spooky.

01:35:31.000 It's like your ears, once they go, man.

01:35:34.000 It's like your chin.

01:35:37.000 There's just no thing you can put on your chin to make it tougher again.

01:35:42.000 Now that you're 38 and you're thinking of the future and you put out this cookbook, what do you see yourself doing when you transition out of your MMA career?

01:35:53.000 Uh, I'm not totally, like, like, I'm not committed to anything just yet, you know?

01:36:00.000 It's like, it's one of those things that I feel like, I feel like athletes in general, uh, fighters included, um, we need to look at the opportunity that we have.

01:36:15.000 Like, when you make it to the UFC or, like, a guy that's, you know, playing in the NFL, like, dude, like, you have to look like, look at it like, Tomorrow could be your last day, so we need to maximize this opportunity as much as you can.

01:36:29.000 And I feel like that's kind of something that I failed at, you know, when I was younger.

01:36:36.000 I do remember asking, you know, former management, like, hey, you know, like, I just made a bonus.

01:36:41.000 I want to do something.

01:36:42.000 I want to diversify.

01:36:44.000 I want to get into something else.

01:36:46.000 And it's like, nah, just focus on fighting right now.

01:36:49.000 It's like, well, fighting might not be here, you know, in a few months.

01:36:54.000 I could walk outside, step into a pothole and blow my knee out and, like, who the hell knows?

01:36:59.000 Or be training and, you know, get clipped with a knee in the head or something.

01:37:04.000 Like, plenty of my peers, their careers have gone from awesome to off, you know?

01:37:11.000 Like that.

01:37:14.000 So...

01:37:16.000 Yeah, so I've been trying to figure out exactly what it is. 0.80

01:37:19.000 The problem is that I've lived my entire adult life as a professional athlete, so I'm super fucking spoiled.

01:37:26.000 Now, while I would have liked to have made more money over the years and stuff like that, but that's neither here nor there, but I have freedom.

01:37:37.000 I have time.

01:37:38.000 So I'm trying to figure out what's going to give me At least some of the freedom that I have now to be able to make my schedule so I can spend time with my family, so I can do the things that I want to do.

01:37:54.000 The cookbook is that first step, I think.

01:37:59.000 I always knew that food was going to be a part of my life.

01:38:02.000 Because it's always been a family thing.

01:38:09.000 As a kid, no matter if we had football practice, wrestling practice, baseball, we always ate dinner together.

01:38:17.000 So I try to do that with my kids.

01:38:19.000 I love sharing. 1.00

01:38:20.000 I love sharing fucking food or any of the stupid booze that I make, the homebrew. 1.00

01:38:26.000 So it's like, how can I do that? 1.00

01:38:30.000 And I think the cookbook is the...

01:38:32.000 Well, I know the cookbook is that first step. 0.95

01:38:35.000 I sure as shit don't want to work in a kitchen, but I think like...

01:38:42.000 With this, the Fighters Cookbook, hopefully get people into realizing that they need to take a little control of their food, because I think it's been such a big thing in my ability to still be fighting today, and my getting over Lyme disease has been my diet. 0.96

01:39:07.000 sacrifice a lot for the convenience that we get, you know, living in America and, and it's easy as easy as pulling out your phone and going on Uber Eats and stuff like this or, you know, pulling into the drive through.

01:39:19.000 Um, but it's like, we don't, we don't pay for that convenience necessarily with our dollars.

01:39:25.000 Like we pay for it with our health. 0.97

01:39:27.000 Um, cause while, while there's a lot that goes into like the food science and all that bullshit and I'm not a fucking expert with it. 0.95

01:39:37.000 Um, I know what real food is and I know that I feel better when I'm eating real food, when I'm eating, you know, a deer or a bear or pheasant that I shot. 0.91

01:39:50.000 and some vegetables that I grew in my garden.

01:39:54.000 I just feel better.

01:39:55.000 I perform better.

01:39:56.000 But...

01:39:58.000 Yeah, so hopefully the book can kind of create a little bit of an environment and we can go from there.

01:40:05.000 I don't know.

01:40:06.000 You know, it's... 0.99

01:40:08.000 I sure as shit would like to shoot my bow and my, you know, my rifle for a living, but who the hell knows? 0.99

01:40:14.000 I've also, you know, I've spoken to Dudley and I've dipped my toe into, you know, I made a pilot for an outdoor show. 0.99

01:40:22.000 Man, I'm not a huge fan of, like, at least where it was on TV. You know, I know that there are athletes that go that direction.

01:40:34.000 What didn't you like about doing...

01:40:35.000 Well, it felt a lot like MMA. Back in the sponsorship days.

01:40:41.000 I have a couple companies that I consider myself friends with.

01:40:49.000 Josh Smith at Montana Knives.

01:40:52.000 I love the dude. 0.98

01:40:52.000 He's fucking awesome. 0.98

01:40:56.000 The Traeger people are great. 0.99

01:40:59.000 Vortex, great.

01:41:00.000 But like...

01:41:03.000 I hate the whole influencer sponsorship thing.

01:41:09.000 If it's natural, because it's like, hey, if we have a relationship and we're friends, it's great.

01:41:16.000 Right.

01:41:17.000 But man, I have a tough time with faking it, because that's the last thing that I want to do.

01:41:29.000 My attitude with...

01:41:31.000 I was never very good at social media.

01:41:33.000 And I'm still not very good at social media.

01:41:37.000 But...

01:41:37.000 When I was diagnosed with Lyme, I feel like I made a change in the way that I approach it.

01:41:44.000 And it's like, hey, fuck it. 1.00

01:41:45.000 Like, I'm just gonna be me. 1.00

01:41:47.000 And I'm gonna show people who I am.

01:41:49.000 Because I feel like every fight that I've had since then has been a gift.

01:41:53.000 So it's like, you know...

01:41:57.000 I'm going to be honest, and I'm not going to portray some brand like myself, like make myself a brand and not really show who I am.

01:42:10.000 Now, granted, I probably swear too much on social media, but...

01:42:13.000 No, you don't.

01:42:15.000 If that's who you are...

01:42:16.000 It is who I am.

01:42:17.000 Then you don't.

01:42:18.000 But, like, yeah, it's...

01:42:22.000 It's tough, like, the whole, like, transitioning thing, going...

01:42:26.000 To an influencer.

01:42:28.000 Yeah, like, I... Yeah, it's a tricky world.

01:42:31.000 I have a tough time with it. 0.99

01:42:31.000 It's a world where a certain amount of bullshit is necessary. 0.99

01:42:36.000 Yeah, and I don't do that. 0.99

01:42:39.000 Yeah.

01:42:39.000 I don't do it.

01:42:40.000 I, like...

01:42:43.000 It's just, like, it's who I am, and I'm not gonna change who I am.

01:42:50.000 Like, I'm not, like, in the world of jiu-jitsu and martial arts, like, loyalty is this thing that gets thrown out all the time, right?

01:42:56.000 I'm not loyal to people.

01:42:57.000 I'm loyal to principles, right? 0.93

01:42:59.000 Like, if you and I are similar, and we believe in the same things, and you're a good fucking person, and you treat people well, hey, man, we're gonna get along. 0.95

01:43:09.000 Like, but as soon as, like, Shady shit starts happening like I've I've walked away from Probably a lot of money, but a plenty of people Because they treated people like shit or they you know, but you know what you get out of that You get something that's so valuable. 0.90

01:43:30.000 Yeah, I get peace of mind is everything Yeah, if you're involved in like imagine if you're involved with like you're you're do you're running like you have some sort of a business And you and your partner in your office, you know that he's, like, doing something illegal. 0.98

01:43:47.000 Like, imagine being, like, Bernie Madoff's kid.

01:43:50.000 Like, they all worked with him, right?

01:43:52.000 One of them wound up committing suicide.

01:43:54.000 I mean, that's not an accident.

01:43:57.000 It's not a coincidence that that happened together.

01:43:59.000 Like, imagine being involved with someone who you know is not the way to do it.

01:44:04.000 Because you get to live with that.

01:44:05.000 You go to bed at night and you think...

01:44:07.000 To be able to go to bed with peace of mind, knowing I'm doing my best, I'm doing the right thing, I'm being ethical, I'm being a good person.

01:44:16.000 That's everything, man.

01:44:17.000 People can't do that.

01:44:19.000 They live in hell. 0.99

01:44:20.000 Even if they're making a shitload of money, even if their business is running well, if they're fucking people over, I don't know how they do it. 0.99

01:44:27.000 Neither do I. The guys that I have around me that have been around me for a long time, they're there for a reason. 0.60

01:44:37.000 You don't want to run a gym.

01:44:39.000 You done now with that?

01:44:40.000 I am done with that.

01:44:42.000 One of the reasons why I don't want to run the gym is because I don't want to have an anchor in New Jersey.

01:44:50.000 I got a lot of people that I love in New Jersey that are related by blood and that aren't.

01:44:57.000 But the last two years, it's just like, you know, there are better places.

01:45:08.000 Yeah, you're talking to a guy who bailed out of California for the same reason.

01:45:12.000 If you talked to me three years ago and said, you think you'll ever leave California, I'd be like, man, it's going to take a lot to get me away.

01:45:19.000 All my friends, the comedy store, jujitsu, all the things I like to do in California.

01:45:26.000 But then they're like, oh, well, we'll show you.

01:45:29.000 Yeah.

01:45:29.000 The government was like, check this out.

01:45:33.000 And that's, like, New Jersey's, it's like mini California, you know?

01:45:37.000 It's close. 1.00

01:45:38.000 Now granted, I'm a firm believer on, like, you know, turn off the fucking TV, don't listen to the bullshit, and, you know, go talk to your neighbor, right? 1.00

01:45:50.000 Where I live, you know, I'm 20 minutes from Pennsylvania-ish, you know, maybe 30 from New York. 1.00

01:45:58.000 So I'm, like, in the northwest corner of the state. 0.92

01:46:01.000 And I live in this tiny little town that it's fucking awesome.

01:46:08.000 We bought a place right before, like, the pandemic hit and stuff like that, end of 2019. And it was, like... 0.88

01:46:17.000 Okay, if we're going to spend a little more time here until I'm done fighting, this is where we want to do it.

01:46:22.000 Surrounded by state land, it's great. 0.99

01:46:25.000 But yeah, you deal with all the bullshit, the cost of living, the bullshit politics. 1.00

01:46:31.000 I had to sign my kids up for private school because public school has to follow by some bullshit. 1.00

01:46:40.000 Stuff that our governor is pushing down the pipeline that mimics some of the bullshit that California has to deal with. 0.98

01:46:48.000 Like, there's a lot of things that I don't want my kids to have to learn at school. 0.94

01:46:55.000 Like what kind of stuff?

01:46:56.000 Well, a lot of the...

01:46:59.000 Let's say... 0.98

01:47:05.000 You're making me fucking go off the deep end here. 0.99

01:47:07.000 You don't have to. 0.99

01:47:07.000 We're not even drunk. 0.99

01:47:08.000 All right.

01:47:08.000 We're not even drunk.

01:47:09.000 I'm an intellectual.

01:47:13.000 Florida's new thing. 0.99

01:47:15.000 You know, the whole fucking anti-grooming law. 0.99

01:47:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:47:18.000 Right?

01:47:18.000 So, I mean, why should fifth graders be taught about stuff like pleasure?

01:47:28.000 Well, it's not even fifth graders.

01:47:29.000 Yeah.

01:47:30.000 Yeah, I know.

01:47:30.000 Florida is even less.

01:47:34.000 Why is a math teacher in high school talking about sexuality?

01:47:41.000 So in New Jersey, they're kind of changing over the sex ed thing to start teaching kids about...

01:47:50.000 Essentially kink.

01:47:51.000 You know, like, what are you doing for fun with someone else?

01:47:55.000 And it's a slippery slope.

01:47:59.000 It's a, you know, an adult telling a child what they can do that feels good.

01:48:10.000 I've had the conversation with my kids about reproduction because we have farm animals.

01:48:17.000 We don't have a male pig. 1.00

01:48:20.000 We don't have a male goat.

01:48:21.000 We just have females, two pigs, four goats. 0.99

01:48:23.000 But we've had the roosters.

01:48:26.000 They're gone now. 1.00

01:48:28.000 And we had a male duck until recently because my one new dog is an asshole. 0.98

01:48:33.000 And they saw that corkscrew-looking thing dragging off the ground after he was on top of one of the other ducks. 0.99

01:48:39.000 So we've had conversations. 0.98

01:48:42.000 Explain that corkscrew thing because many people don't know that a duck's penis is very unusual. 1.00

01:48:48.000 Oh my god, it's fucking weird as shit. 1.00

01:48:49.000 It looks like a spiral noodle. 0.99

01:48:52.000 And it's like 12 inches long.

01:48:54.000 Yeah, yeah, it's huge.

01:48:55.000 Well, I mean, it's- For a duck.

01:48:57.000 Yeah, it's long.

01:48:58.000 It's not very thick, right?

01:49:00.000 I heard that girth is what matters.

01:49:01.000 It doesn't have a lot of girth.

01:49:04.000 I wouldn't know either, but anyway.

01:49:08.000 So we've had those conversations, but it's like, that's about like, You know, making baby ducks, making baby humans.

01:49:19.000 The thing about these conversations in school is who's having them?

01:49:25.000 Are we talking about a sex ed teacher that has a degree in this and understands, has been educated in how to communicate sexuality and talk to kids?

01:49:37.000 Or are we talking about a history teacher?

01:49:38.000 That for some reason wants to talk about queer theory and wants to talk about sex and gay sex and all these different things.

01:49:46.000 I'm not opposed to people being whatever they want to be.

01:49:50.000 But I think there's many people that are teaching children all kinds of things that probably that's not their field of study.

01:50:00.000 And they might not be qualified to teach it.

01:50:02.000 And I don't necessarily want them to be the person that introduces my kid to the idea of, you know, whatever, fill in the blank about whatever sexual proclivity.

01:50:11.000 It doesn't seem like that's your business.

01:50:14.000 It's not.

01:50:14.000 I don't think it is either.

01:50:15.000 Especially not for a fucking first grader. 0.99

01:50:17.000 Dude, it's, yeah. 1.00

01:50:19.000 It's a weird world we live in.

01:50:21.000 That's not what they're interested in.

01:50:22.000 Kids, that's not what they care about. 0.98

01:50:26.000 So, I guess, like, with New Jersey, it's teaching them about, you know, anal stimulation and stuff like that. 0.99

01:50:36.000 Hey. 0.99

01:50:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:50:37.000 Yeah.

01:50:37.000 Like, which, again, two consenting adults.

01:50:40.000 How old were these kids?

01:50:41.000 Were they teaching them this?

01:50:42.000 That's, like, fifth grade, so what?

01:50:44.000 Really?

01:50:44.000 Yeah.

01:50:45.000 Like, 10, 11? 0.99

01:50:47.000 Fifth grade, they're teaching about anal stimulation. 0.99

01:50:50.000 Maybe just math. 0.99

01:50:51.000 Maybe just history.

01:50:53.000 It's just not their job.

01:50:56.000 I think it's their job to educate children in all sorts of ways, right?

01:51:01.000 You can teach them how to teach.

01:51:03.000 You can teach them history and sociology and all sorts of things.

01:51:08.000 But when you start...

01:51:09.000 Doing stuff like that.

01:51:10.000 It's like, why are you doing that?

01:51:12.000 What is this?

01:51:13.000 We never had that before.

01:51:16.000 This seems like something that...

01:51:19.000 I mean, some parents are never going to have those conversations with a kid, right?

01:51:23.000 Which is maybe not good either.

01:51:25.000 But who are the teachers?

01:51:29.000 What teachers qualify to do that? 0.98

01:51:31.000 I would want to know, who is this person talking to my child about anal stimulation? 0.95

01:51:37.000 Who are they? 0.98

01:51:37.000 Or even... 0.98

01:51:38.000 What is the conversation like?

01:51:40.000 Is it a skilled conversation?

01:51:42.000 Do they know what they're doing? 0.99

01:51:43.000 Or is this like some weird clunky shit where you're saying, try it, Billy. 1.00

01:51:47.000 Put your finger in your asshole. 1.00

01:51:48.000 It feels good. 1.00

01:51:50.000 Or even...

01:51:51.000 I don't think anybody's doing that.

01:51:52.000 Just like orgasms, right?

01:51:56.000 Right. 0.94

01:51:57.000 Like, okay, it's a part of reproduction. 0.98

01:52:02.000 But do we need to go into like, hey man, some of them are fucking great. 0.99

01:52:05.000 Like, oh, if she tickles your balls, why? 1.00

01:52:10.000 Right, they're teaching eight-year-olds that. 0.98

01:52:12.000 We don't need to teach them what they can do for fun.

01:52:16.000 Or what they can do for pleasure.

01:52:19.000 If it's the creation of life.

01:52:24.000 Because, I mean, on the flip side, a lot of kids don't understand about death.

01:52:28.000 Right. 0.99

01:52:29.000 Like, Having some animals and being a hunter, my kids kind of understand that like, hey, once the lights are out, the fucking lights are out. 0.97

01:52:37.000 But then it's also like, you need to have the other side of that where life begins. 0.93

01:52:45.000 But yeah, the stuff that you do for fun I don't need any teacher.

01:52:54.000 I don't need any adult teaching my kids that.

01:52:56.000 It's a complicated issue.

01:52:58.000 And I think rightly so.

01:53:00.000 A lot of parents are very sensitive about people teaching their children about these things.

01:53:03.000 And there's a lot of teachers that feel like they're saving the child because they are allowing the child to explore subjects that the parents don't explore at home.

01:53:15.000 And they feel like maybe there's a lot of queer kids or a lot of gay kids or trans kids.

01:53:19.000 That don't have these conversations with their parents and then the teacher could step in and help and that would be like a way where they could have like a safe discussion about these issues.

01:53:32.000 But then on the flip side they're trying to hide it.

01:53:35.000 Right.

01:53:35.000 They're trying to say, like, hey, you're not allowed to know what we're talking about.

01:53:38.000 Right.

01:53:39.000 That's...

01:53:39.000 It's like, whoa.

01:53:40.000 Yeah.

01:53:41.000 That's not...

01:53:42.000 Yeah.

01:53:42.000 But they're worried about parents complaining about stuff.

01:53:45.000 Well, you know, parents have a right to know what their children are being taught.

01:53:48.000 100%. 0.99

01:53:48.000 Because, listen, we all know that some teachers suck. 0.99

01:53:51.000 We've experienced it. 1.00

01:53:52.000 I've had teachers that sucked. 1.00

01:53:54.000 You've had teachers that suck. 1.00

01:53:55.000 If you have a teacher that sucks and they're teaching you history... 0.99

01:53:59.000 The consequences are not grave. 0.99

01:54:01.000 If you have a teacher that sucks, and they're teaching you various things about alternative sexuality, alternative sexual practices, are you encouraging the children to try this? 0.98

01:54:14.000 Are you encouraging the kids to do this? 1.00

01:54:15.000 Are you encouraging the kids to have sex with each other? 0.99

01:54:17.000 What are you doing? 0.98

01:54:19.000 How is this conversation being handled?

01:54:21.000 I don't know.

01:54:22.000 And that's where parents are very right to be concerned.

01:54:26.000 Because a lot of these people...

01:54:29.000 They're not qualified to have these conversations, and maybe the way they have these conversations are against your values as a parent.

01:54:36.000 You would not have that same kind of conversation in that way with your kid, and they think it's their right to do this, and it's not your right to know what they're teaching your kid.

01:54:48.000 Well, it depends on what the subject is.

01:54:51.000 If you're saying, do I have the right to tell you how to teach math if I'm not good at math?

01:54:56.000 No, I don't.

01:54:57.000 But when you're talking about things that aren't even your field of study...

01:55:01.000 Yeah.

01:55:02.000 Yeah, why?

01:55:03.000 It seems super complex.

01:55:05.000 If you want to talk to children, very young children, about sexuality, that seems like that should be something that you go to school specifically for, and then this curriculum is carefully analyzed with psychologists and sociologists and people who are experts in sexual reproduction.

01:55:25.000 They should have informed conversations of how to have these conversations. 1.00

01:55:29.000 If you're going to have a conversation like that, but you're just like a fucking... 1.00

01:55:33.000 A history teacher, and you want to talk about your husband, and you're a gay man, this is how me and my husband have sex with each other, and you're talking to a seven-year-old, like, hey, maybe this isn't the place for that. 1.00

01:55:47.000 It's not the place for you to talk about how you fucked your wife, either. 1.00

01:55:50.000 It's not. 1.00

01:55:51.000 I like it when my wife sticks my penis in her mouth. 1.00

01:55:54.000 Like, hey, hey, hey! 1.00

01:55:56.000 This is a fucking little kid who just wants to play games and hang out with their friends, and you're just supposed to be educating them. 0.99

01:56:03.000 But it's one of those things where it's... 1.00

01:56:06.000 The idea that you don't have any say in how your children are educated is bonkers.

01:56:11.000 It is. 0.72

01:56:11.000 That's bonkers. 0.72

01:56:12.000 It is. 1.00

01:56:13.000 And I've seen some of those fucking parent meetings where the Karens get up and start screaming at the board members and fucking ruin it for everybody. 1.00

01:56:19.000 I get it. 1.00

01:56:20.000 I get it. 0.99

01:56:20.000 If you're a teacher and some crazy person who believes in QAnon and thinks there's fucking kids tied up in the basement somewhere of a pizza place, You know, I get it. 0.99

01:56:30.000 You don't want to talk to that person. 0.98

01:56:31.000 That person maybe shouldn't have the influence on how the school curriculum is run.

01:56:37.000 I get it, but you can't lump everybody into that thing.

01:56:40.000 And when there's something that makes people very uncomfortable, like all of a sudden a public school stepping in and dictating how sexual orientation and sex preferences and all that should be handled and discussed amongst seven-year-olds, I think I'm right to go, wait, wait, wait.

01:57:01.000 Who are you?

01:57:03.000 It's not like whether or not this subject should ever be breached with kids.

01:57:06.000 It's like, who's doing this?

01:57:08.000 And how good are you at this?

01:57:09.000 And I'm not supposed to know what you're teaching my kids?

01:57:12.000 And then they come home and go, mommy, what's a rim job? 1.00

01:57:15.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:57:17.000 What did you just say? 1.00

01:57:18.000 What the fuck is going on? 1.00

01:57:23.000 You know? 1.00

01:57:25.000 Well.

01:57:26.000 It's like, hey.

01:57:28.000 It's different than tossing salad.

01:57:31.000 Is it, though?

01:57:36.000 I get it.

01:57:37.000 We're in a weird place as a culture.

01:57:39.000 We really are.

01:57:42.000 I'm not some right-wing nut, but I see the writing on the wall.

01:57:47.000 I don't like it.

01:57:48.000 I don't like this idea that parents don't have any say in how their children are being educated.

01:57:56.000 Who's to say this person who's teaching school is even good at it?

01:58:01.000 Oftentimes they're not good at it.

01:58:05.000 I mean, not that... 0.98

01:58:06.000 Listen, not all parents are fucking good parents, but... 0.99

01:58:09.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:58:10.000 Not all teachers are good teachers.

01:58:12.000 No.

01:58:12.000 So, I mean, you're still seeing, to this day, teachers doing inappropriate things with their students.

01:58:19.000 Yeah.

01:58:19.000 So, why are we, like...

01:58:23.000 Why are we trying to skirt the line of what they can get away with? 0.97

01:58:27.000 I just saw an article about some guy who got arrested because he was forcing boys to watch him masturbate. 0.95

01:58:33.000 A teacher. 1.00

01:58:34.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

01:58:36.000 It's like 13 boys. 1.00

01:58:37.000 He forced like 13 boys to watch him masturbate. 0.99

01:58:39.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99

01:58:40.000 Yeah.

01:58:41.000 What? 1.00

01:58:42.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:58:44.000 You know, and then there's the other one that we don't care about is when hot teachers fuck kids. 1.00

01:58:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:58:49.000 That's the weird one. 1.00

01:58:50.000 When the hot woman has sex with like a 15-year-old boy, we're like, ah, he'll be fine. 0.98

01:58:57.000 But he won't. 0.96

01:58:58.000 Because we all were like, that would be cool.

01:59:01.000 Yeah.

01:59:02.000 It would probably be super confusing.

01:59:04.000 It would be.

01:59:04.000 Well, a lot of it.

01:59:05.000 I mean, that's, you know, there's a lot of those stories out there.

01:59:08.000 You can go find them in the news.

01:59:09.000 Yeah.

01:59:10.000 Doesn't usually wind up so well for the guy.

01:59:12.000 Yeah.

01:59:14.000 So New Jersey, you're thinking about where would you go?

01:59:18.000 I don't know.

01:59:20.000 That's a smooth transition right there.

01:59:24.000 I want to go west.

01:59:26.000 I want to go to the mountains.

01:59:29.000 Montana, Utah, Idaho, maybe Colorado.

01:59:33.000 My wife is looking further, just straight south on the eastern side.

01:59:40.000 Western, North Carolina, South Carolina.

01:59:42.000 How old are your kids now?

01:59:44.000 11, 10, 8 and 6. You can do it now.

01:59:48.000 Well, you know, listen.

01:59:49.000 Now's a good time.

01:59:50.000 You know why?

01:59:51.000 Because, like, when they get into high school, it's hard to move.

01:59:54.000 Yeah.

01:59:54.000 That was our thought when we moved here.

01:59:56.000 It's like, get them in, and they made friends like that.

02:00:00.000 Yeah.

02:00:00.000 You know, I moved to a new high school.

02:00:02.000 I moved to a new town when I was 14, and it was rough.

02:00:06.000 It was not that rough, but, I mean, it's hard.

02:00:09.000 You got to make friends.

02:00:10.000 It's like everybody grew up with everybody, and I come in, I'm the new kid.

02:00:14.000 It's uncomfortable.

02:00:15.000 Yeah.

02:00:15.000 You know?

02:00:16.000 So, yeah, we haven't figured it out yet.

02:00:20.000 I've got family and one of my coaches, mentors is down in North Carolina.

02:00:26.000 So, in that area, it'd be nice. 0.97

02:00:28.000 I fucking love Tennessee. 0.90

02:00:31.000 North Carolina's nice, too. 0.96

02:00:32.000 Yeah, it is.

02:00:34.000 They get some wicked storms, bro.

02:00:36.000 They do, yeah.

02:00:37.000 And it's like...

02:00:38.000 Like, it snows like two flakes and the whole state shuts down.

02:00:42.000 That's how it is here.

02:00:43.000 Yeah.

02:00:43.000 Last year, everything shut down.

02:00:45.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:45.000 Well, that was a pretty rough one.

02:00:47.000 Eh.

02:00:48.000 I grew up in Boston.

02:00:49.000 Yeah, I know.

02:00:50.000 It's not rough.

02:00:51.000 It was fun.

02:00:52.000 I have a 95 Land Cruiser.

02:00:54.000 It's, like, all built out.

02:00:56.000 And so I was like, yeehaw!

02:00:58.000 But it was cold for a while.

02:01:00.000 And yet, like, people don't...

02:01:02.000 It sucked for the people who lost their power.

02:01:03.000 People don't know how to winterize their house and stuff like that.

02:01:05.000 People lost their power.

02:01:07.000 That was a real problem.

02:01:08.000 That was bad about it.

02:01:09.000 But the roads were what people were complaining about.

02:01:12.000 I'm like, come on. 0.98

02:01:13.000 It ain't shit. 0.98

02:01:15.000 You just get used to it. 0.95

02:01:16.000 But it's also having the wrong vehicle is the big thing if you don't have a four-wheel drive.

02:01:21.000 It's true.

02:01:21.000 We had some snow a couple weeks ago.

02:01:24.000 And there are people out...

02:01:28.000 I think, so on a 13 mile drive from my house to the gym, there were five cars that were like stranded?

02:01:35.000 And it's like, come on!

02:01:38.000 One, you knew this was coming, and it's like two, You should be used to this by now. 0.96

02:01:42.000 If I was living in a place like Jersey where it snows, there's not a fucking chance in hell I didn't have a four-wheel drive. 0.95

02:01:48.000 That would be my car. 0.96

02:01:50.000 When I lived in New York- They're trying to make it so you can only have 40 miles per gallon.

02:01:56.000 You have to have something that gets 40 miles per gallon.

02:01:58.000 Is that New Jersey?

02:01:59.000 Yeah, in a few years or whatever the hell it is. 1.00

02:02:01.000 Stupid shit. 1.00

02:02:02.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:02:03.000 Yeah, my truck gets like- 10?

02:02:06.000 11 if I'm lucky.

02:02:08.000 Why can't you pump your own gas there?

02:02:10.000 I know.

02:02:10.000 It's weird, right?

02:02:11.000 It's weird.

02:02:12.000 New Jersey's got a weird law. 0.99

02:02:13.000 I was like, what the fuck's going on? 0.99

02:02:14.000 You can't. 1.00

02:02:15.000 What?

02:02:15.000 You can't.

02:02:16.000 You don't trust anyone?

02:02:17.000 You can.

02:02:18.000 I do it all the time.

02:02:20.000 Okay.

02:02:20.000 Well, why aren't you supposed to?

02:02:23.000 I think it was a liability thing.

02:02:26.000 Yeah.

02:02:26.000 You're not supposed to.

02:02:27.000 But everywhere else was like, what was the issue?

02:02:32.000 Yeah.

02:02:32.000 Well, New Jersey is right next to New York.

02:02:34.000 You go to New York, you pump your own gas.

02:02:36.000 Pennsylvania?

02:02:37.000 I don't understand it.

02:02:39.000 I think there's a couple other states that have a similar role.

02:02:43.000 No, I think Oregon is the only other state I believe that- Just Oregon?

02:02:47.000 Yeah, I believe so, that has certain stations that are full-serve. 0.98

02:02:52.000 Dude, I fucking never see full-serve gas stations. 0.85

02:02:55.000 When was the last time you saw a gas station where someone's pumping other people's gas? 0.99

02:02:59.000 Ten years ago in New Jersey, I was like, what the fuck's going on here?

02:03:03.000 It's weird, because it's like, you know, people are like, hey, get rid of it so that we can save money on gas, and it's like, you know, but PA has pretty fucking high, like, their gas tax is high, so the gas is kind of similar. 0.96

02:03:17.000 They would save money, like we would save money, um...

02:03:20.000 You know, if we got rid of it, but there are a lot of people that live in New Jersey that are like, I won't pump my own gas.

02:03:26.000 Really?

02:03:26.000 Yeah.

02:03:27.000 That's so weird.

02:03:28.000 They just want to stay in their car?

02:03:29.000 Yeah.

02:03:30.000 Stay warm?

02:03:31.000 Yeah.

02:03:31.000 That's so bizarre.

02:03:32.000 I used to work at a gas station and we used to pump people's gas, but that was in the 80s.

02:03:36.000 I wonder if it was even legal to pump your own gas back then.

02:03:40.000 I wonder if they had self-serve gas back then, because back then, I don't even know if people used credit cards.

02:03:46.000 I remember Growing up, there were pumps that were, there would be stations that were like, the ones closest are full, the ones everything else is self.

02:03:54.000 I've seen that in places.

02:03:56.000 There's like one in Ohio that I knew about.

02:03:58.000 Yeah, I've seen that in places, but it's been a long time.

02:04:02.000 But yeah, we used to pump people's gas.

02:04:04.000 And they would check your fluids and everything.

02:04:06.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:04:07.000 Pop the hood.

02:04:08.000 Clean your windshield.

02:04:09.000 Add washer fluid, all that jazz.

02:04:11.000 Yeah.

02:04:12.000 Clean your windshield.

02:04:13.000 It's not like a bum on the side of the highway.

02:04:16.000 Spitting on it with a piece of newspaper.

02:04:18.000 Oh, my God.

02:04:18.000 There was a guy the other day that he was so dirty, and he had this bucket of water that I'm sure was as dirty as him, and he was trying to wash people's windshields.

02:04:28.000 Like, it's already clean.

02:04:29.000 What are you doing, man?

02:04:30.000 Yeah.

02:04:32.000 Poor guy.

02:04:32.000 There's other ways to make money.

02:04:34.000 It's true.

02:04:34.000 Also, you see, I saw a guy the other day who was just standing there with a bucket.

02:04:38.000 He had a thick gold chain on, like a rapper gold chain, and a nice pair of sneakers, and it looked good.

02:04:46.000 It looks like he's all right.

02:04:47.000 It's like he's doing good.

02:04:48.000 And he's standing there at the stop side on the corner where the stoplight is with a bucket, just asking for money.

02:04:54.000 And then the light turns red, and he starts walking up to cars with the bucket, and some people were giving him money.

02:04:59.000 What's going on here? 0.85

02:05:01.000 You do not look like a bum, sir. 0.81

02:05:03.000 You look like a man who's found another way to make money. 0.95

02:05:05.000 Just ask for it.

02:05:08.000 Which is tricky.

02:05:09.000 It is tricky.

02:05:10.000 So you'll go somewhere else, and then...

02:05:12.000 So you're just going to figure out what you want to do when you're done.

02:05:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:17.000 You know, I want freedom.

02:05:20.000 Yeah.

02:05:20.000 Like, I've kind of come to that point where it's like, no matter what I do, I kind of need to be able to do some of the stuff that I want.

02:05:28.000 You know, I... I finally got the opportunity to go elk hunting a couple years ago.

02:05:34.000 I haven't gotten one yet.

02:05:35.000 I've gone twice. 0.98

02:05:36.000 I've been fucking from me to Jamie away from one. 0.99

02:05:39.000 Oh, wow. 0.98

02:05:39.000 Didn't get a shot at it because it was still in the oak brush. 0.98

02:05:43.000 But...

02:05:46.000 I really want my kids to hear that.

02:05:49.000 Like, I want to be able to be somewhere where, like, okay, since, you know, elk season's in September, you're still going to have to be in school, but, like, we can go on the weekends.

02:06:00.000 Like, that's my...

02:06:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:06:03.000 It's...

02:06:04.000 Well, Montana's a good spot for that.

02:06:05.000 Yeah.

02:06:06.000 So is Colorado.

02:06:07.000 Yeah.

02:06:07.000 For now.

02:06:08.000 For now.

02:06:08.000 They're trying to bring in wolves to Colorado.

02:06:10.000 Ugh. 1.00

02:06:11.000 What a shit show. 1.00

02:06:14.000 The people's fascination with bringing in large predators is really interesting to me. 1.00

02:06:18.000 I don't understand why.

02:06:20.000 So they bring in the wolves, right?

02:06:23.000 They're willing to do that.

02:06:25.000 Like, okay, why don't you breed up a herd of three million bison and let them loose in the center of this country?

02:06:34.000 Well, you know there's talk about that.

02:06:35.000 Do you know about that?

02:06:36.000 Do you know about the American prairie?

02:06:39.000 What is it called?

02:06:41.000 Oh, my God.

02:06:42.000 What is the name that they use?

02:06:45.000 There's a group of people.

02:06:48.000 There's a fund.

02:06:49.000 They're buying up land, and they're reintroducing...

02:06:53.000 All sorts of bison, pronghorn, all sorts of...

02:06:59.000 And they're trying to make an enormous national park-type deal, but they're also opening it up.

02:07:08.000 American Prairie Foundation, that's it.

02:07:10.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:07:11.000 And so they're buying up enormous chunks of land, but they're also going to have it open for hunting.

02:07:17.000 So this is not going to be like Yellowstone, where you have all these animals and they live in this very bizarre, protected sort of park area.

02:07:26.000 They're trying to sort of bring back this enormous swath of land and reintroduce all the kind of animals that live here probably at the turn of the 19th century.

02:07:42.000 That's cool.

02:07:43.000 I like it.

02:07:45.000 You introduce the wolves, and the wolves don't stay where you want them to stay. 0.99

02:07:52.000 They fucking go everywhere. 0.99

02:07:53.000 They eat cattle. 1.00

02:07:54.000 They fucking eat sheep. 1.00

02:07:56.000 They get into all sorts of trouble. 1.00

02:07:58.000 It's a complex issue.

02:08:00.000 It is.

02:08:00.000 And the problem is when people agree to bring the wolves in, they generally agree that there's a number that those wolves will get to.

02:08:10.000 This is what happened with Yellowstone.

02:08:12.000 They agree there's a number that those wolves can get to that's a sustainable population, and they'll open them up to management.

02:08:18.000 And what management means is hunting.

02:08:20.000 People will kill some of those wolves to keep the populations in check. 0.54

02:08:26.000 hit that number, then they move the goalposts, and they fight against that.

02:08:29.000 And the environmentalists, a lot of these animal rights groups, they have—they call themselves environmentalists, they're really animal rights activists.

02:08:36.000 They have lawsuits against these proposed hunting seasons, and they do that all the time.

02:08:44.000 That's a giant issue.

02:08:45.000 I think if they recognize— That needs to be taken into consideration whenever they make this sort of agreement to reintroduce wolves.

02:08:55.000 They have to look at what happened when they reintroduced the wolves into Yellowstone.

02:08:59.000 How many lawsuits were...

02:09:01.000 How many people fought against this idea of the hunting of the wolves?

02:09:06.000 Because I know they've had problems with them in other states.

02:09:09.000 Montana, they have wolf seasons in some places, and they never reach their quotas.

02:09:14.000 That's the thing they need to understand.

02:09:15.000 If someone says, We're going to release 100 wolf tags.

02:09:20.000 You're not going to kill 100 wolves.

02:09:22.000 No.

02:09:23.000 There's just not.

02:09:23.000 They're so smart.

02:09:25.000 They're so clever. 1.00

02:09:26.000 They're so fucking... 0.99

02:09:27.000 They're so adaptive. 1.00

02:09:29.000 If they get lucky, you kill a percentage of that.

02:09:32.000 I don't know.

02:09:32.000 You'd have to ask someone like Steve Rinella.

02:09:34.000 He would be able to tell you what the percentage of success is.

02:09:38.000 But it's definitely not 100%.

02:09:39.000 Yeah.

02:09:40.000 It's similar to, like, Black Bears in New Jersey. 0.59

02:09:43.000 Oh, that's crazy.

02:09:45.000 Yeah.

02:09:45.000 New Jersey thing is crazy.

02:09:46.000 It's fucking wild. 0.99

02:09:47.000 So, in... 0.99

02:09:48.000 Yeah.

02:09:49.000 In, like, turn of 2000, we had the largest...

02:09:55.000 Per capita.

02:09:56.000 Yeah.

02:09:57.000 In the United States. 1.00

02:09:58.000 Yeah, in the fucking world. 1.00

02:09:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:10:00.000 Like, that section of northwestern New Jersey, because it was only three counties had black bears, like, legitimately had black bears in New Jersey, and then it was New York, Pennsylvania, right in the tri-state corner.

02:10:12.000 And like, I started hunting them right when it opened.

02:10:16.000 I never saw a fucking bear during season because it was always during six day firearm, which is the second week of December. 0.99

02:10:26.000 And I fucking never saw them. 0.99

02:10:28.000 I'd see them before and I'd see them afterwards. 0.99

02:10:30.000 As soon as they hear the first bang bang, they're like, let's get the fuck out of here. 0.99

02:10:33.000 They're so tuned in. 0.99

02:10:36.000 Yeah, their nose is so fucking good. 0.99

02:10:39.000 And you managed them. 0.98

02:10:44.000 The first year that they opened it up, we got a decent amount.

02:10:48.000 And then they started to spread out.

02:10:51.000 And now they're in every county in the state.

02:10:54.000 And like me, I've got trail cam pictures of a sow with five cubs.

02:10:58.000 And what people don't get, the only reason a sow has five cubs is because her body feels like she can support them. 0.99

02:11:05.000 Because she's got plenty of fucking brows to eat. 1.00

02:11:08.000 You know, these... 1.00

02:11:10.000 The bears don't want to eat garbage and get into, you know, human shit, but they will. 0.99

02:11:18.000 And, like, a lot of the issues you have, too, is that people are like, oh, well, you know, we can just scare them off, shoot them with a rubber buckshot, you know, and that's what, like, the cops try to do when they come to a bear call. 0.98

02:11:29.000 And it's like, this bear doesn't have millions of acres to go, like a bear in Montana.

02:11:36.000 He can go 1,500 yards, if that.

02:11:41.000 And then he's in the next town over, or the next person's yard, or whatever.

02:11:46.000 And the reason that they're coming into people's Like, get busted into garages and stuff like that is because they're not the big bear. 1.00

02:11:54.000 Like, the big bear never does that shit. 0.99

02:11:56.000 The big bear eats whatever the fuck the big bear wants to eat, which is the blueberries and the raspberries and all sorts of- And cubs. 1.00

02:12:02.000 Yeah, and cubs. 0.99

02:12:05.000 And eats whatever the hell they want, and it's the little ones that come into, you know, where humans are and create- All the trouble.

02:12:14.000 And the thing is, is they know that that bear, the big bear, will kill them. 0.92

02:12:19.000 They don't necessarily know that we're gonna kill them. 1.00

02:12:22.000 So they're more willing to deal with us than they are with the big fucker that scared them away. 1.00

02:12:26.000 Right. 0.98

02:12:26.000 So like, I mean, yeah, they got rid of our bear hunt this last year. 0.98

02:12:32.000 You know, we're trying to get it back. 0.99

02:12:35.000 It's a shit show because it's like you've got the most populated state in the country and a giant fucking bear herd that... 1.00

02:12:46.000 I mean, you shouldn't see one. 1.00

02:12:48.000 You really shouldn't see them like...

02:12:51.000 In your yard.

02:12:52.000 In suburbs.

02:12:52.000 Yeah.

02:12:53.000 And you see them all the time.

02:12:54.000 You see them all the time.

02:12:54.000 Did you see that one in Far Rockaway where these two giant bears were in a brawl and there's a YouTube video?

02:13:00.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:13:01.000 It's a fucking residential suburban neighborhood and you got like two 500 pound bears going to war fighting over trash cans. 1.00

02:13:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:10.000 That's what they fight over.

02:13:10.000 They fight over territory.

02:13:12.000 Like who can get the trash cans in this neighborhood?

02:13:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:16.000 It's so dumb. 1.00

02:13:17.000 California almost killed it. 1.00

02:13:18.000 They almost killed it last year, but all the protests and all the people rallying against it, they backed off.

02:13:24.000 But they were trying to get rid of the bear hunt in California.

02:13:26.000 And it's a similar situation.

02:13:28.000 There's an overpopulation of bears.

02:13:30.000 And overpopulation of black bears is...

02:13:33.000 I understand that people have this thing about bears where Rinella calls them charismatic megafauna.

02:13:42.000 It really is what that is.

02:13:44.000 People grew up with teddy bears, right?

02:13:46.000 You grew up with Yogi the Bear on TV, but bears are predators, and they're also edible, and they taste good.

02:13:52.000 They do taste good.

02:13:53.000 Yeah, that's another thing.

02:13:54.000 People go, man, you don't eat bears.

02:13:56.000 Why would you kill a bear? 1.00

02:13:56.000 No, I fucking eat bear. 1.00

02:13:58.000 I've eaten them. 0.99

02:13:59.000 They're good.

02:14:00.000 Buy my cookbook.

02:14:00.000 There's a couple recipes.

02:14:01.000 Yeah, it tastes like a deer fucked a pig. 0.99

02:14:06.000 That's what a bear tastes like. 0.99

02:14:07.000 I feel like they taste a bit more like...

02:14:09.000 Bison, that's what I get.

02:14:10.000 A little beefy, yeah.

02:14:11.000 Yeah, like beefy, a little more irony than beef, but I've prepared them.

02:14:17.000 I made some sous vide for Thanksgiving the one year, so I cooked them in the water bath for a while at like 135 or whatever, and then took them out because trichinosis...

02:14:32.000 It dies at whatever the hell it is.

02:14:34.000 I think we got 137, and that's where I got it to, and left it there.

02:14:40.000 And then just hit them on the grill real quick, and you couldn't tell that they weren't beef.

02:14:47.000 It was a little tougher.

02:14:49.000 If you're going to do 35, I think it's over a prolonged period of time.

02:14:52.000 I didn't get trigonosis.

02:14:54.000 Yeah, it's not like if you throw it on the Traeger and get it to 135, you might get sick.

02:14:58.000 But also, freezing kills the trichinosis.

02:15:01.000 Not always.

02:15:02.000 Well, you got to put it in the deep freezer.

02:15:03.000 Yeah, but even then, some trichinosis, the trichinosis from cold areas does not die that way.

02:15:09.000 I didn't know that.

02:15:10.000 Yeah, I think there's different strains of trichinosis.

02:15:13.000 Let's look this up, make sure I'm right, but I'm 99% sure I am, because this is something Renella told me.

02:15:18.000 Rinella said that there's strains of trichinosis that are southern strains, and those strains that if you do put them in the deep freeze, they'll die.

02:15:27.000 But then there's strains from Montana, Alaska.

02:15:31.000 Well, mine was a New Jersey bear.

02:15:32.000 Let's see here.

02:15:34.000 Freezing pork.

02:15:34.000 Yeah, but I guess it's similar.

02:15:39.000 Okay.

02:15:40.000 However, trichinella parasites in wild animal meat are not killed by freezing, even over a long period.

02:15:47.000 Freezing pork that is less than six inches thick for three weeks will kill parasites.

02:15:52.000 But freezing trichinella parasites in wild animals, that's interesting.

02:15:56.000 I wonder why that is.

02:15:59.000 Because if pork has...

02:16:01.000 One of the things they're saying recently is that you can kind of eat pork medium rare.

02:16:08.000 Yeah, well...

02:16:09.000 Where you used to...

02:16:09.000 Domestic pork.

02:16:10.000 Yeah, domestic pork because they're raised on concrete. 0.99

02:16:13.000 Right.

02:16:14.000 Right.

02:16:14.000 So here it is.

02:16:15.000 Does freezing kill trichinosis in bear meat?

02:16:17.000 Smoking, freezing, or curing gay meat does not kill all trichinella species.

02:16:22.000 Low temperature smoking will not kill trichinella either.

02:16:26.000 Yeah.

02:16:27.000 I think from what I've read, you have to do it over a long period of time.

02:16:32.000 I don't think it's 135, buddy.

02:16:34.000 I think it was 137 or 127, something like that.

02:16:38.000 I think it's like 150. What the hell website was that?

02:16:41.000 It was a government website that I went to.

02:16:44.000 Yeah, there it is right here.

02:16:45.000 It says, 160 is more than ample temperature to kill all forms of trichinosis.

02:16:50.000 That's instant.

02:16:51.000 Right.

02:16:52.000 It says, while freezing for at least 20 plus days is known to kill most forms of trichinosis, I cannot recommend this method as there are strains that are resistant to freezing.

02:17:01.000 Yeah, that's what I've heard.

02:17:02.000 And that's what...

02:17:04.000 Well, I hope that nothing eats me, because they might get trichinosis.

02:17:08.000 Well, if you had that, you would know.

02:17:10.000 Rinella had that.

02:17:11.000 His whole crew got it.

02:17:13.000 They ate bear.

02:17:15.000 They were hunting with Rourke, Denver, and they were in Alaska.

02:17:20.000 And they shot a bear, and they cooked it over the fire.

02:17:22.000 And I was watching the episode knowing that they had all gotten trichinosis. 0.99

02:17:27.000 It was raw as shit. 0.99

02:17:27.000 I was like, I wouldn't have eaten that. 0.99

02:17:29.000 But it was kind of rainy, and they had a shitty fire, and they just made do.

02:17:33.000 Like, yeah.

02:17:34.000 I think he's like secretly wanted to have trichinosis.

02:17:37.000 Yeah, I kind of secretly wanted to get it too.

02:17:39.000 Some people do, right?

02:17:41.000 My eyeballs are floating.

02:17:42.000 I need to run to the...

02:17:43.000 Oh, well, go ahead.

02:17:45.000 We'll just wrap this up.

02:17:45.000 Okay.

02:17:46.000 It's already 4 o'clock.

02:17:48.000 So tell everybody, when is this book coming out?

02:17:50.000 So the book is shipping on April 16th.

02:17:55.000 April 16th, and it's called The Fighter's Cookbook?

02:17:57.000 The Fighter's Cookbook, because I've used...

02:17:59.000 I've used food to kind of fight old age and Lyme disease to be able to continue to fight.

02:18:08.000 And just to maintain health.

02:18:09.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

02:18:10.000 Like, the direction that we're going with some of the shit. 1.00

02:18:12.000 Like, I see some of this, like, lab-grown meat or this 3D-printed shit. 0.99

02:18:18.000 I mean, even, like, the... 1.00

02:18:21.000 Some of the farming methods that we're using, that we have been using for a long time, it's so fucked. 0.96

02:18:27.000 People have gotten into this rhythm of just eating for convenience. 0.90

02:18:32.000 Eating real food, it changed my life.

02:18:38.000 It's a tool, it's a medicine.

02:18:41.000 We need to take it seriously.

02:18:43.000 We'll let everybody know when the book comes out.

02:18:47.000 And to get you on social media, what's your Instagram?

02:18:50.000 JimMiller underscore 155. On everything?

02:18:53.000 On Twitter?

02:18:54.000 Yeah, I'm not on Twitter.

02:18:55.000 Yeah, good for you.

02:18:56.000 Yeah, you know what?

02:18:57.000 Elon Musk just bought a giant chunk of it.

02:18:59.000 Maybe he's going to fix it.

02:19:00.000 Hopefully, because when I heard that they fought to keep child porn on, there was a case where this kid got catfished.

02:19:10.000 And he was like 15. Somebody took his pictures that he took and sent to this person.

02:19:16.000 And they had him on Twitter and Twitter was like fighting him.

02:19:20.000 Because they wanted to keep them up.

02:19:21.000 You sure that's true?

02:19:22.000 That's 100% true?

02:19:23.000 I believe so.

02:19:24.000 That sounds insane.

02:19:25.000 It does sound insane.

02:19:26.000 That doesn't seem...

02:19:27.000 We need to find out if that's true, otherwise we're going to have to edit that out.

02:19:30.000 Okay.

02:19:30.000 That seems that maybe...

02:19:33.000 There's one of those things where you get a weird...

02:19:35.000 Twitter refused to remove child porn because it didn't violate policies.

02:19:39.000 Yeah, copyright.

02:19:40.000 That's what the lawsuit says, and let's see what the actual case said.

02:19:46.000 You're going to have to hold your urine in for three more minutes here.

02:19:50.000 It says the teen, who's now 17, lives in Florida, identified only as John Doe, was between 13 and 14 years old when sex traffickers posing as a 16-year-old female classmate started chatting with him.

02:20:02.000 Okay.

02:20:04.000 Doe, acting under duress, initially complied and sent videos of himself performing sex acts and was also told to include another child in his videos, which he did. 0.51

02:20:13.000 The suit claims eventually...

02:20:15.000 Doe blocked the traffickers and stopped harassing him, but at some point in 2019, the video surfaced on Twitter under two accounts that were known to share child sexual abuse material.

02:20:27.000 Over the next month, the videos were reported to Twitter at least three times.

02:20:31.000 First on December 25th, 2019, but the tech giant failed to do anything about it until a federal law enforcement officer got involved.

02:20:40.000 The suit states, Doe became aware of the tweets in January 2020 because they'd been viewed widely by his classmates. 0.95

02:20:48.000 Holy shit. 0.97

02:20:49.000 Which subjected him to teasing harassment, vicious bullying, and led him to become suicidal. 0.94

02:20:55.000 court records show while those parents contacted the school and made police reports he followed a complaint with Twitter saying there were two tweets depicting child pornography of himself and they needed to be removed because they were illegal harmful and were in violation of the site's policies a support agent followed up and asked for a copy of Doe's ID so they could prove it was him and after the team complied there was no response for a week the

02:21:21.000 Around the same time, Doe's mother filed two complaints to Twitter reporting the same material, and for a week, she also received no response.

02:21:30.000 Finally, on January 28th, Twitter replied to Doe and said they wouldn't be taking down the material, which had already racked up over 187,000 views and 2,223 retweets.

02:21:45.000 Disgusting. 0.97

02:21:45.000 Holy shit. 0.97

02:21:46.000 Thanks for reaching out. 0.96

02:21:48.000 We reviewed the content and didn't find a violation of our policies, so no action will be taken at this time.

02:21:56.000 Wow. 1.00

02:21:57.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:21:59.000 That's what I thought. 1.00

02:22:00.000 I haven't deleted my thing, but I don't want to go on there.

02:22:05.000 That's employees, man.

02:22:09.000 Twitter's a Wild West anyway.

02:22:10.000 I forget what fight it was.

02:22:12.000 It was like a 35-pounders.

02:22:15.000 The guy hits an arm bar, and his toe got caught in the cage.

02:22:20.000 I remember people like, Oh, he's grabbing the cage with his pinky toe.

02:22:27.000 It's like the last two toes.

02:22:28.000 And I'm like, he's not.

02:22:30.000 It got caught.

02:22:31.000 When you're pushing, your toes kind of curl.

02:22:33.000 It's the way it works. 0.99

02:22:35.000 People were fucking arguing with me. 0.98

02:22:37.000 And I'm like, have you ever fought? 0.99

02:22:39.000 Have you ever put your foot against a fence?

02:22:41.000 You haven't even grappled in a cage?

02:22:44.000 His armbar would have been better if his foot wasn't caught.

02:22:48.000 It would have been tighter.

02:22:49.000 He ended up finishing the armbar, but they're like, oh, you know, we use it.

02:22:52.000 I was like, no, he didn't use it. 0.99

02:22:53.000 Like, it was just fucking happenstance, and you fucking dumbasses are, you're on here because it's so toxic, and you're just fighting with me, a subject matter expert. 1.00

02:23:03.000 Right. 1.00

02:23:03.000 Well, it might have been a 15-year-old kid on the other end of that. 1.00

02:23:05.000 It was like six or so people that I was just like, fuck this, I'm done. 1.00

02:23:10.000 Trolls! 1.00

02:23:11.000 Stay away from the trolls, Jim Miller. 0.98

02:23:13.000 Listen, brother, I'm a fan.

02:23:15.000 I appreciate you very much as a fighter and as a person, and I wish you all the best.

02:23:19.000 I wish you all the best with your cookbook and your career until that UFC 300. Let's do it.

02:23:25.000 Then you're going to wrap it up.

02:23:26.000 Yep.

02:23:26.000 All right, brother.

02:23:27.000 Thank you very much.

02:23:27.000 Thank you.

02:23:28.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 06, 2011

JRE MMA Show #120 with Jim Miller

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