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00:00:38.000My brother Dan and my other brother Michael are both phenomenal.
00:00:42.000Your brother Dan has the nastiest guillotine finish I've ever seen in all my years of watching MMA. The one in the IFL where he had that dude pinned up against the cage.
00:01:54.000The IFL was weird, because there was good fighters and good fights, but the concept was so goofy that people were like, what, there's a team?
00:02:07.000It was kind of like, you could win your match, but your team could still lose, and there was team names, and there was...
00:02:17.000I think other couple promotions have tried to do something similar, and it just doesn't seem to work in MMA. I don't like what the PFL does either, where they have point systems, and you get more points for finishes, and more points for this, and so you're ahead.
00:07:41.000My last fight, I thought it could have gotten stopped a little bit quicker, and that's probably because I haven't knocked a lot of guys out.
00:07:51.000I knocked him down, and it was like, I threw one or two, they kind of hit glove, and then it was like, a second one just sunk in.
00:07:58.000It's like, dude, that didn't need to happen, and then it's still going on.
00:08:02.000So I was a little bit amped up, you know, post-fight, but...
00:09:01.000If anybody saw you and you said, like, this guy has some of the most fights in the history of the sport, like, in the history of the UFC, like, who fucking has more fights than you?
00:09:23.000Like if I introduced you to someone and I said, this young man has the most fights in the history of the most brutal combat sport in the world.
00:10:44.000Well, you're also very good off your back, too.
00:10:46.000It's like, the combination of all those things is like, you know, you can, there's not a place where you fight where I'm like, ooh, this is not his best.
00:10:53.000Like, there's some guys that get taken down and you're like, he's kind of fucked here.
00:10:56.000Like, you don't have, like, a spot like that, where you're in a bad position.
00:11:30.000So, yeah, we have to, you know, find your strength and try to fight to your strength.
00:11:37.000And I think that's an issue that sometimes fighters get away from is they, you know, they learn new things and then they don't fight to their strengths that, like, got them there.
00:12:31.000A little bit bigger than this studio here, this room of the studio.
00:12:37.000And yeah, I was taking like cardio kickboxing classes because I had never thrown a punch before and it was helping me, you know, but the ball had already started rolling so it was like, fuck it, like we're just gonna go.
00:12:50.000Take me back to, like, what was your initial martial art?
00:12:53.000What was the first thing you ever did?
00:13:21.000So, like, his wrestling career was done before I was born, but his younger brother, Jim, who's also my mom's younger brother, he wrestled at Lehigh as well.
00:13:31.000Never quite made it to All-American status.
00:13:35.000One of my first memories is watching him wrestling at Lehigh.
00:13:38.000You know, I think I was like three or something like that.
00:13:40.000And I remember it because he ended up breaking his ankle that match.
00:14:52.000You know, like I said, it was an experience wrestling in a room full of, you know, multiple-time state champs and stuff like that.
00:14:58.000And, you know, it taught me a lot about kind of surrounding myself with people that support me because I didn't quite have that in the coaching staff.
00:15:07.000And, yeah, I wrestled for a year, was pissed off because I didn't like, you know, the program and...
00:15:17.000Came back, was working a little bit, and my brother and I, Dan, were messing around at work, working with our father, and finally decided to start training jiu-jitsu.
00:15:27.000We walked into the first gym that we trained at in May of 2005. Came in, and we had been, like, fucking around, so we ended up, like, submitting some guys on the first day, and we told the coach, like, hey, like, we want to fight.
00:15:41.000And he's like, alright, give me, like, two or three years.
00:15:44.000And six months later, we were stepping into a ring for our first professional fight, because there was no amateur at the time.
00:16:18.000I think that's one of the biggest issues with local MMA right now is that they're making these fighters sign agreements, so you're kind of locked in.
00:17:00.000But if you want to say that a guy has to be exclusive on a small card and then he gets a call from 1FC or fucking Bellator or whoever...
00:17:09.000A lot of them have, like, those, you know, the UFC clause where, like, if one of the big promotions call you, but the problem is, is like...
00:17:15.000You should be able to fight for a bunch of small organizations.
00:17:18.000You want to fight almost once a month if you could.
00:17:47.000It fucks your development up, because if you can get a fight in every two months, man, you'll get more comfortable with fighting.
00:17:54.000You get more relaxed, because you do it a lot.
00:17:57.000And when you do it a lot, it alleviates a lot of the tension and the pressure, because you could fight more to your potential.
00:18:04.000And the more you fight to your potential, the more confidence you get, the more you make gains in training, you start adapting and growing and learning how to compete.
00:18:13.000Have you ever with a company that's fucking you over in some shit?
00:18:17.000I've met some great guys that run some small organizations, but I've met some guys that just think they're big time, and it's a real problem.
00:18:28.000Yeah, and then one of the new ones, well, new, I mean, probably a few years old now, the idea is that they make these fighters have ticket quotas and stuff like that.
00:19:27.000You're the one with the marketing knowledge and then this and then that and the dollars to put down for ads and flyers and shit like that.
00:19:41.000If a fighter has the opportunity to sell a couple tickets and make a couple extra bucks, maybe, all right, great.
00:19:48.000But, like, what happens, and this happened to a bunch of my training partners, and this has, like, kind of led to my, one of the things that led to me opening my gym a few years ago was we had seven guys on a local card, and all of a sudden there's a ticket quota.
00:20:44.000You know, they all got fucking docked a bit.
00:20:47.000So it's like, you know, you're looking at a couple hundred tickets between the seven of them that they got to sell, you know, so that everybody can make the money that they were promised to make.
00:20:57.000And obviously they have that with everyone on the card.
00:22:12.000Like, that's what I'm trying to do in the fight, you know, no matter what.
00:22:15.000But, like, as a fan, I want to see aggressive fighters, not guys that are just trying to, you know, game the clock, win a couple points, and, you know, get the W because they – granted, they used effective octagon control, but, they used effective octagon control, but, like – I want to see finishes.
00:22:35.000And that way you eliminate all the fighters that get fucked over by bad judging because then they don't miss half their purse.
00:25:08.000And I had, like, two 16-year-old blue belts and, like, a purple belt and another purple belt who was 305 and, like, I had Dan to train with for, like, Two weeks, he had cracked a rib, and then the first sparring session, I just hooked him to the body, and I was like, ah, fuck!
00:25:29.000So he was out, so it was a shitty camp.
00:25:34.000Frankie and I fucking, I've never seen the fight, but I had people coming up to me for years after that one, like, dude, that fight with Frankie was crazy.
00:26:10.000Usually just to see them fight, you know?
00:26:12.000But, like, I'm not trying to break things down.
00:26:13.000Because I... Kind of what happened in that fight with Gray is that like I expect him to throw overhands and like looping punches and he came out and he just fed me straight rights and it was like you know I had been working with a boxing coach for a couple weeks and next thing you know I'm trying to like slip and move and it's like that's not me but I've been doing it for a couple weeks so I kind of picked it up and yeah he broke my nose pretty early in the fight and then continued to hit it and Yeah,
00:27:33.000If you keep your hand up, if I throw a left and my right is glued to my face, I'm probably losing a little bit of power than if I loop that left over and drop my right hand.
00:27:47.000But then if my opponent throws a counter, I'm more protected.
00:27:55.000Like, I'm trying to land good shots and hit people hard, but be protected at the same time because I also consider myself a bit of a counterpuncher.
00:28:03.000So, like, I'm looking for somebody to throw something at me so that I can, you know, snap something at them.
00:28:29.000Like, there was guys at a certain point in time where I'd see that they were on the card and I would just, like, raise my eyebrows and take a deep breath.
00:30:42.000Unfortunately, in this sport and the way that it is, it's like sometimes a coach has fucking 30 athletes, you know, and a lot of times they're, hey, they're all here on sparring day.
00:31:38.000Is that I open my own place and, dude, being able to train with a good group of guys that I trust and not have a fucking target on my back is awesome.
00:31:54.000And when did you open up your own place?
00:31:56.000End of 2014. Tell everybody what that is.
00:31:58.000Well, actually, I ended up selling it.
00:32:17.000Because COVID was a pain in the ass, obviously.
00:32:22.000And it was going to get to that point where in order to get it at least back to where it was, I would have had to be there teaching classes all the time and stuff like that.
00:35:07.000My brother and I were training at AMA Fight Club in New Jersey, and there was some bullshit.
00:35:15.000We had a great group of guys, and that's kind of why I opened the place.
00:35:21.000It was like, do I open my own place or do I go to ATT or something like that?
00:35:30.000And, honestly, I feel like having my own spot, it saved me.
00:35:36.000If I was in one of those big gyms, like, late 2015, early 2016, when I was sick with Lyme, I don't think I would have fucking made it, honestly.
00:36:39.000Like, the best fucking group of good fighters, but also good people that were looking out for each other.
00:36:48.000I mean, we pushed each other, but we were looking out.
00:36:51.000You know, injuries happen and, you know, like, you push the shit out of each other and it's gonna happen, but when it's like, next thing you know you've got some, you know, some Russian or something like that that doesn't speak a lick of English and you're, like, trying to...
00:37:06.000Tell them, hey, I'm fighting in a main event next week.
00:37:18.000And I've heard some of the other fighters that have left some of the big gyms talk about some of the same stuff where it's like, you know, because obviously the gym is looking for as many people as they can because it's a revolving door.
00:37:33.000But you have to realize where the specific athletes are.
00:37:40.000And that's one of the things that I've realized over the years is it's like, man, as a 26-year-old, shit, there were fucking no bad days, really.
00:37:49.000It's like one a year where I felt kind of sluggish.
00:37:52.000Where now it's like, okay, I listen to myself a bit more.
00:37:57.000Where you have to have a coach that can do that, too.
00:38:00.000Because as a fighter, I feel like if I'm asked of something, I'm gonna do it, you know?
00:38:08.000And there are times where, like, my coach is gonna be like, nah, nah, we're good.
00:38:12.000Like, we only do the extra round, the extra two rounds.
00:38:15.000Like, you got it in today, and you're healthy.
00:38:23.000I have a lot of admiration for some of the coaches at those big gyms, but I feel like what MMA is and how the teams are is kind of one of our detriments at the same time.
00:39:00.000Banging heads and like if you look at boxing and the model they have, it's usually just a small, you know, couple coaches and you pull professional sparring partners in and stuff like that.
00:39:11.000So it's like it's focused around the fighter.
00:39:13.000Now granted, the pace, the pay is completely different and there's so much, there's so much So many differences between MMA and boxing, but I feel like that small, tight-knit group is good.
00:39:31.000There's obviously a benefit to having all sorts of bodies and styles and all that stuff, but...
00:39:37.000There's been some guys that have gotten very far with small gyms.
00:39:52.000Charles Oliveira's gym is not known as being a hotbed gym.
00:39:57.000There's two schools of thought, right?
00:39:59.000There's a school of thought where you're better off in this giant ocean filled with sharks, and then the other school of thought is you're better off with specialized individual attention that's on you and your skill set.
00:40:12.000Look at Demetrius Johnson and GSP. GSP wasn't going to fucking...
00:40:21.000Open mat at henzo's like he's doing specific training for a specific opponent and same thing with Dimitri shot like he's not going with just every Everybody or like the new the next killer, but those two examples are examples of like elite coaches Yeah, yeah for us a hobby and Matt Hume, you know those those two guys are like hugely respected.
00:41:15.000Personal life stuff is probably a big thing, but a lot of times what ends up happening is that personal life stuff finds its way to the training mat.
00:41:27.000And then a couple of bad days of training, and it's like, fuck this.
00:41:31.000The guy that I used to pick him apart is beating the shit out of me.
00:42:08.000I knew this one guy that right before his fights, his girl would start big drama with him.
00:42:14.000Right before his fights, like the night of the fight, she would leave the hotel, storm out, go down the bar and drink, and it was like, Oh, my God.
00:42:22.000And his coaches would be going crazy to control this lady.
00:42:26.000And he's fucking the night before his big fight, and she's down at the bar in the hotel, in the casino, and he's like, what the fuck, man?
00:42:35.000But it's like there's certain people Male or female that need exorbitant amounts of attention.
00:42:41.000And when they feel like you're paying attention to you and this one goal, that fight takes away from them.
00:43:35.000It's been a long road, Well, most guys like you that are super successful over long periods of time do have a steady relationship because it takes that factor out of the equation.
00:43:44.000I think for fighting, it's very important.
00:43:47.000I mean, you look at all these fighters that are elite and have done really well for long periods of time.
00:44:26.000But it's like guys who drink a lot, who also train, and then they get to a point where you're partying a couple of days before the fight, and you still pull it off.
00:44:38.000Yeah, you're pulling it off, but you're not hitting your full potential.
00:44:43.000And if you fight somebody like you, the thing is, it's like, if you're an elite fighter, and you can drink, and you can party, and you can still win, what if you fight someone like you, who's not drinking, not partying, sleeping well, getting all their recovery in, and is doing all the disciplined things that you need to be at, they're gonna edge you.
00:47:29.000Like, you know, I mean, to the point where I'd be 45 minutes into a training session and have to get up like an old man, push on my knees and stuff like that.
00:47:38.000It's getting, you know, numbness and tingling.
00:47:56.000Before my fight at 196, it got so bad that I was contemplating retirement at UFC 200. I was like, I'm gonna get through 196, I'm gonna ask the fight on 200 to retire.
00:48:21.000I'd get some twitching in my eye was mostly where I'd get it just for like days on end.
00:48:28.000Very occasionally I would say the wrong word while I was speaking and not even anything close like just the complete wrong word would come out.
00:48:41.000And you'd notice and you're like, what the fuck did I just say?
00:48:46.000So I was telling my doctor about this before my pre-fight physical, or during my pre-fight physical for 196, and he's like, you know, he's like, honestly, I think you have Lyme disease.
00:48:59.000So we ran some tests, tested me for Lyme.
00:49:02.000To this day, I still don't test positive.
00:49:05.000It's about 50% of the people that have Lyme test positive for it.
00:49:11.000So he's like, if it's Lyme disease, and he's like, we ran some other tests.
00:49:17.000There's some antibody that I had that showed an infection that they associate sometimes with Lyme.
00:49:25.000So he's like, we're gonna put you on doxy, and he's like, if you do have Lyme disease, within a week, 10 days, he's like, you're gonna feel different.
00:49:45.000Um, like, I would, I would miss training sessions, like, live grappling sessions, or sparring sessions, and, like, because I could barely get out of bed, or, like, uh, so I was, I, I would, I would get in maybe six sessions a week, um, you know, and kind of just focused on, like, alright, well, I'll just be in shape, you know, like, I could run on the treadmill, that's, The easiest thing for me to do at that point was to run on the treadmill, which is weird.
00:50:11.000It's different than what most people experience.
00:50:13.000Most people experience difficulty doing aerobic exercise and they can do anaerobic stuff.
00:50:52.000That fight, during the whole fight, I could see throughout in the stands.
00:50:57.000I was so unfocused that it was a weird experience.
00:51:03.000It's the only time this ever happened to me.
00:51:06.000But I get out of the fight and get on some doxycycline the following week, and it was within a week or so, just like my doctor said, I started feeling way fucking better.
00:51:21.000It took me a few years to figure out when exactly I got bit.
00:51:24.000I had assumed that it was probably early 2015, and then after learning about the early symptoms of Lyme disease and pulling my head out of my ass and remembering the experience that I had in 2013, I'm pretty much 100% confident that I was bit in late May, early June of 2013. What makes you think that?
00:51:46.000I had a period of time where I was like...
00:53:03.000And after, you know, kind of educating myself on Lyme after I, you know, was diagnosed, I was like, maybe, you know, maybe that's when it was.
00:53:14.000But it took a while to get over it because it was You know, just about three years that it had untreated.
00:53:22.000You know, and the bacteria is a sneaky little bitch.
00:53:25.000They call it the great imitator because it can give everybody completely different symptoms.
00:53:31.000And it can pass the blood brain barrier and all this other shit, you know.
00:53:39.000It also has a like a toxin in the cell wall of it.
00:53:43.000So if you kill too much of it at one time or in a short period of time, you experience what's called like the Herxheimer reaction, which is basically you're being like poisoned by the death of the Lyme bacteria.
00:53:58.000It makes you, it's a fucking amazing thing because it's like, here's this little thing that, this little bacteria that when it dies, it makes you change what you're doing.
00:54:10.000So that you don't like, it's a, getting over Lyme is especially like, like untreated for a while is a marathon.
00:55:53.000By the end of the year, it fucking kicked my ass.
00:55:58.000Like, leading up into, what was that, 208, when I fought Dustin.
00:56:05.000Like, that was the hardest couple weeks before a fight that I've ever had.
00:56:10.000Like, I... Because I was trying to get back on the doxycycline.
00:56:14.000I was trying to supplement even way better.
00:56:18.000You're not supposed to take it within two hours before, two hours after supplements and stuff like that.
00:56:26.000I don't like working out with food in my stomach.
00:56:29.000And I can't take the doxy on an empty stomach because it makes my stomach upset.
00:56:35.000Uh, so I was, like, trying to figure out, like, the best way to get back on it, and it just kept kicking my butt and kicking my butt.
00:56:41.000Um, finally, like, I don't know, maybe two weeks before the fight, I started to kind of get it, get it dialed in.
00:56:48.000Uh, and then, unfortunately, I was, like, fight week.
00:56:51.000I was, uh, I was having a Herx, uh, reaction, and, and, uh, it was a really weird experience getting, uh, I was having, like, muscle tremors when I was cutting weight.
00:57:12.000My vision was a little messed up, and I don't know if it was the lights or whatever, but, like, when I fought Dustin that night, like, to me, like, everything kind of had, like, a...
00:58:12.000It's an inflammatory disease, so avoiding alcohol, sugar, gluten, dairy, stuff like that.
00:58:19.000But I also had a bunch of little kids, and it's like, well, if I'm making my food and trying to make their food so they're not eating mac and cheese, hot dogs, and chicken fingers every day, this is going to be really fucking hard.
00:58:32.000I've never adhered to that diet specifically, but Totally eat a ton more whole foods and vegetables and shit like that now.
00:59:09.000So it was, well, like, it took a while for it to start kicking my butt, you know?
00:59:14.000Like I had that first instance in 2013 when I first got bit.
00:59:18.000But then, like, I couldn't really tell anything, you know, But if you had gotten on antibiotics right then, you probably could have killed it.
00:59:25.000Three to four weeks is usually what doctors will prescribe.
00:59:32.000And if you catch it early, you usually fare pretty well with it.
00:59:38.000But like, yeah, it was, I mean, 2017, I didn't feel like I could start really like, excuse me, like pushing myself and sprinting and lifting again until like maybe April of 2018. Wow.
00:59:56.000And then I was still on Doxy through that period of time, so I basically took it for about two years.
01:00:01.000So I had a six-month period, like eight weeks off, well, a little more than eight weeks off, but a couple months off, and then basically two years.
01:00:30.000And I ended up getting, the stomach bug was going around, so the last time that I took doxycycline was New Year's Eve 2018. I rung in the New Year, puking my brains out, and I was like, I can't do this anymore.
01:00:47.000It was a bad one, and it's like, that's it.
01:03:44.000Morgellons is a disease that they don't even know if it's real.
01:03:46.000And I had to interview these people once at a Morgellons conference, and it's very strange because they feel like they have fiber growing out of their body, and they start itching themselves, and they hallucinate.
01:03:59.000But one of the people that I talked to was a doctor, and he also has Morgellons, and he said, but one thing that we all have in common is, he goes, most of these people also have Lyme disease.
01:04:11.000The links between Lyme and ALS and some other stuff, it's fucking wild.
01:04:23.000What he was saying is that it's neurotoxic.
01:04:26.000In that when you say Lyme disease, like if a tick carries Lyme, the way he was describing it to me, it's not as if it's like you can isolate a compound and that compound is Lyme.
01:04:37.000He said, depending on the tick, it could have a host of different toxins along with this one that we consider Lyme.
01:04:47.000And he said the Lyme disease itself, like when people have Lyme, one of the symptoms is this neurotoxicity.
01:04:56.000And that in neurotoxicity, he believes that it can trigger hallucinations.
01:05:01.000So he was seeing things moving across his eyes.
01:05:05.000He would look at himself in the mirror and he thought he saw a worm moving across his eyelids.
01:05:10.000So these people, they start scratching themselves and they itch like little holes in their skin.
01:05:17.000And then you get carpet fibers or dog hair or something on it, and you think you're growing hairs out of these fibers, and part of it is because you're kind of hallucinating.
01:05:31.000I'm not sure if this is right or wrong, but it made sense when he was saying it that everybody who he knows who has it are a large percentage of them.
01:05:39.000Of course, in your situation, you didn't even test positive for Lyme, but he was saying a lot of these people also have Lyme disease.
01:05:46.000There are a lot of like, I know of a lot of like co-infections, right?
01:05:50.000So the, I always hack up the name, it's like Boreali or whatever is the typical like Lyme bacteria.
01:05:58.000But sometimes there are certain types of like mold.
01:06:02.000That creates sensitivities, and, um, I mean, shit, you get, what is the Lone Star tick?
01:09:18.000I mean, I used to think I was more skeptical of the nature, and I thought it was much more nurture with the way kids' personalities are formed.
01:09:27.000But watching my own kids, they're so damn different from the jump.
01:12:34.000You know, I've met plenty of people who are bigger than he was, but he had this, like, presence that he was, like, seven foot tall and, you know, 500 pounds.
01:12:43.000Like, but yeah, he used to carry just stupid shit.
01:13:37.000One spot to maybe bring lumber in to the foundation.
01:13:44.000When we're doing the beams in the basement, you'd have this 40-foot beam that weighs 800 pounds, and you really don't have a good way to get it across the fucking To the other side.
01:13:58.000So that motherfucker would cinch his tool belt tight, tall enough, his shoulder just fit right where the middle of the beam was, and he would pick that fucking shit up and walk across the stone, you know, three-quarter gravel stone basement, get to the other end, lean back a little bit, lift it up, and put it on the side.
01:16:13.000And, uh, or going to lift this wall in, like, kind of position, and so we had it laid out.
01:16:18.000So you got these 2x6s, and there's, like, the king stud, which runs up where the header is, you know, the big piece that, like, over the windows and fireplace, um, and, uh, and then, like, liners.
01:16:31.000So it was, like, I think it was three.
01:16:36.000It's got this tiny little cage, like, over top of it.
01:16:39.000And it stalls, so the machine starts rolling backwards, and these two-by-sixes get caught on the back of the cage.
01:16:47.000And, like, it's winding back, and my brothers and I are up on the second floor, and we start fucking screaming at them, because you see it just, like, winding up.
01:16:56.000So he looks and he sees it and he throws his head down as hard as he can as the 2x6 slides off.
01:17:04.000And it was like a Sammy Sosa 450-yard bomb.
01:18:45.000Marvin Hagler, who's one of the greatest boxers of all time, one of my favorite all-time boxers, Marvin had muscle on the outside of his head like headgear.
01:18:55.000They said the size of the muscle outside of his head was far larger than a normal person, like unusually large, to the point where it's literally like he had a cushion on the side of his head.
01:23:28.000I got to like 26 before I experienced any allergies, and then I broke my nose and my septums mushed to the side, so now I have like a constant post-nasal drip, and it's like I experience a little bit of allergies.
01:23:42.000When you retire, are you going to get that fixed?
01:26:40.000I forget who was fighting, but a chunk fell off that was the size of a fucking silver dollar.
01:26:48.000It was this giant chunk of this dude's ear fell off, and there was a photo of it on the canvas, and it was missing from his ear, and there was blood pouring out of the side of his head, because it's basically a rock.
01:31:22.000And the guy, instead of like drawing it out and bolstering it and stuff like that, like you're supposed to do, he just lances it, cuts my ear open.
01:33:17.000I know a lot of guys that are hunters that have fucked up ears.
01:33:21.000Especially guys who've been doing it a long time because they didn't realize back in the day that you get ear damage from gunshots.
01:33:31.000Yeah, I mean, sometimes it's like, I don't wear anything like when I'm pheasant hunting.
01:33:38.000And sometimes you shoot a decent amount of times, but the shotgun is not as bad.
01:33:44.000Sometimes when I'm shooting, if I have to shoot, or I decide not have to shoot, I haven't had to shoot my rifle or one of my rifles or the handguns, but they're a little sharper sounding.
01:35:37.000There's just no thing you can put on your chin to make it tougher again.
01:35:42.000Now that you're 38 and you're thinking of the future and you put out this cookbook, what do you see yourself doing when you transition out of your MMA career?
01:35:53.000Uh, I'm not totally, like, like, I'm not committed to anything just yet, you know?
01:36:00.000It's like, it's one of those things that I feel like, I feel like athletes in general, uh, fighters included, um, we need to look at the opportunity that we have.
01:36:15.000Like, when you make it to the UFC or, like, a guy that's, you know, playing in the NFL, like, dude, like, you have to look like, look at it like, Tomorrow could be your last day, so we need to maximize this opportunity as much as you can.
01:36:29.000And I feel like that's kind of something that I failed at, you know, when I was younger.
01:36:36.000I do remember asking, you know, former management, like, hey, you know, like, I just made a bonus.
01:37:16.000Yeah, so I've been trying to figure out exactly what it is.
01:37:19.000The problem is that I've lived my entire adult life as a professional athlete, so I'm super fucking spoiled.
01:37:26.000Now, while I would have liked to have made more money over the years and stuff like that, but that's neither here nor there, but I have freedom.
01:37:38.000So I'm trying to figure out what's going to give me At least some of the freedom that I have now to be able to make my schedule so I can spend time with my family, so I can do the things that I want to do.
01:37:54.000The cookbook is that first step, I think.
01:37:59.000I always knew that food was going to be a part of my life.
01:38:02.000Because it's always been a family thing.
01:38:09.000As a kid, no matter if we had football practice, wrestling practice, baseball, we always ate dinner together.
01:38:32.000Well, I know the cookbook is that first step.
01:38:35.000I sure as shit don't want to work in a kitchen, but I think like...
01:38:42.000With this, the Fighters Cookbook, hopefully get people into realizing that they need to take a little control of their food, because I think it's been such a big thing in my ability to still be fighting today, and my getting over Lyme disease has been my diet.
01:39:07.000sacrifice a lot for the convenience that we get, you know, living in America and, and it's easy as easy as pulling out your phone and going on Uber Eats and stuff like this or, you know, pulling into the drive through.
01:39:19.000Um, but it's like, we don't, we don't pay for that convenience necessarily with our dollars.
01:39:27.000Um, cause while, while there's a lot that goes into like the food science and all that bullshit and I'm not a fucking expert with it.
01:39:37.000Um, I know what real food is and I know that I feel better when I'm eating real food, when I'm eating, you know, a deer or a bear or pheasant that I shot.
01:39:50.000and some vegetables that I grew in my garden.
01:42:59.000Like, if you and I are similar, and we believe in the same things, and you're a good fucking person, and you treat people well, hey, man, we're gonna get along.
01:43:09.000Like, but as soon as, like, Shady shit starts happening like I've I've walked away from Probably a lot of money, but a plenty of people Because they treated people like shit or they you know, but you know what you get out of that You get something that's so valuable.
01:43:30.000Yeah, I get peace of mind is everything Yeah, if you're involved in like imagine if you're involved with like you're you're do you're running like you have some sort of a business And you and your partner in your office, you know that he's, like, doing something illegal.
01:44:05.000You go to bed at night and you think...
01:44:07.000To be able to go to bed with peace of mind, knowing I'm doing my best, I'm doing the right thing, I'm being ethical, I'm being a good person.
01:44:20.000Even if they're making a shitload of money, even if their business is running well, if they're fucking people over, I don't know how they do it.
01:44:27.000Neither do I. The guys that I have around me that have been around me for a long time, they're there for a reason.
01:44:42.000One of the reasons why I don't want to run the gym is because I don't want to have an anchor in New Jersey.
01:44:50.000I got a lot of people that I love in New Jersey that are related by blood and that aren't.
01:44:57.000But the last two years, it's just like, you know, there are better places.
01:45:08.000Yeah, you're talking to a guy who bailed out of California for the same reason.
01:45:12.000If you talked to me three years ago and said, you think you'll ever leave California, I'd be like, man, it's going to take a lot to get me away.
01:45:19.000All my friends, the comedy store, jujitsu, all the things I like to do in California.
01:45:26.000But then they're like, oh, well, we'll show you.
01:45:38.000Now granted, I'm a firm believer on, like, you know, turn off the fucking TV, don't listen to the bullshit, and, you know, go talk to your neighbor, right?
01:45:50.000Where I live, you know, I'm 20 minutes from Pennsylvania-ish, you know, maybe 30 from New York.
01:45:58.000So I'm, like, in the northwest corner of the state.
01:46:01.000And I live in this tiny little town that it's fucking awesome.
01:46:08.000We bought a place right before, like, the pandemic hit and stuff like that, end of 2019. And it was, like...
01:46:17.000Okay, if we're going to spend a little more time here until I'm done fighting, this is where we want to do it.
01:49:08.000So we've had those conversations, but it's like, that's about like, You know, making baby ducks, making baby humans.
01:49:19.000The thing about these conversations in school is who's having them?
01:49:25.000Are we talking about a sex ed teacher that has a degree in this and understands, has been educated in how to communicate sexuality and talk to kids?
01:49:37.000Or are we talking about a history teacher?
01:49:38.000That for some reason wants to talk about queer theory and wants to talk about sex and gay sex and all these different things.
01:49:46.000I'm not opposed to people being whatever they want to be.
01:49:50.000But I think there's many people that are teaching children all kinds of things that probably that's not their field of study.
01:50:00.000And they might not be qualified to teach it.
01:50:02.000And I don't necessarily want them to be the person that introduces my kid to the idea of, you know, whatever, fill in the blank about whatever sexual proclivity.
01:50:11.000It doesn't seem like that's your business.
01:52:29.000Like, Having some animals and being a hunter, my kids kind of understand that like, hey, once the lights are out, the fucking lights are out.
01:52:37.000But then it's also like, you need to have the other side of that where life begins.
01:52:45.000But yeah, the stuff that you do for fun I don't need any teacher.
01:52:54.000I don't need any adult teaching my kids that.
01:53:00.000A lot of parents are very sensitive about people teaching their children about these things.
01:53:03.000And there's a lot of teachers that feel like they're saving the child because they are allowing the child to explore subjects that the parents don't explore at home.
01:53:15.000And they feel like maybe there's a lot of queer kids or a lot of gay kids or trans kids.
01:53:19.000That don't have these conversations with their parents and then the teacher could step in and help and that would be like a way where they could have like a safe discussion about these issues.
01:53:32.000But then on the flip side they're trying to hide it.
01:54:01.000If you have a teacher that sucks, and they're teaching you various things about alternative sexuality, alternative sexual practices, are you encouraging the children to try this?
01:54:14.000Are you encouraging the kids to do this?
01:54:15.000Are you encouraging the kids to have sex with each other?
01:54:29.000They're not qualified to have these conversations, and maybe the way they have these conversations are against your values as a parent.
01:54:36.000You would not have that same kind of conversation in that way with your kid, and they think it's their right to do this, and it's not your right to know what they're teaching your kid.
01:54:48.000Well, it depends on what the subject is.
01:54:51.000If you're saying, do I have the right to tell you how to teach math if I'm not good at math?
01:55:05.000If you want to talk to children, very young children, about sexuality, that seems like that should be something that you go to school specifically for, and then this curriculum is carefully analyzed with psychologists and sociologists and people who are experts in sexual reproduction.
01:55:25.000They should have informed conversations of how to have these conversations.
01:55:29.000If you're going to have a conversation like that, but you're just like a fucking...
01:55:33.000A history teacher, and you want to talk about your husband, and you're a gay man, this is how me and my husband have sex with each other, and you're talking to a seven-year-old, like, hey, maybe this isn't the place for that.
01:55:47.000It's not the place for you to talk about how you fucked your wife, either.
01:56:13.000And I've seen some of those fucking parent meetings where the Karens get up and start screaming at the board members and fucking ruin it for everybody.
01:56:20.000If you're a teacher and some crazy person who believes in QAnon and thinks there's fucking kids tied up in the basement somewhere of a pizza place, You know, I get it.
01:56:30.000You don't want to talk to that person.
01:56:31.000That person maybe shouldn't have the influence on how the school curriculum is run.
01:56:37.000I get it, but you can't lump everybody into that thing.
01:56:40.000And when there's something that makes people very uncomfortable, like all of a sudden a public school stepping in and dictating how sexual orientation and sex preferences and all that should be handled and discussed amongst seven-year-olds, I think I'm right to go, wait, wait, wait.
02:02:39.000I think there's a couple other states that have a similar role.
02:02:43.000No, I think Oregon is the only other state I believe that- Just Oregon?
02:02:47.000Yeah, I believe so, that has certain stations that are full-serve.
02:02:52.000Dude, I fucking never see full-serve gas stations.
02:02:55.000When was the last time you saw a gas station where someone's pumping other people's gas?
02:02:59.000Ten years ago in New Jersey, I was like, what the fuck's going on here?
02:03:03.000It's weird, because it's like, you know, people are like, hey, get rid of it so that we can save money on gas, and it's like, you know, but PA has pretty fucking high, like, their gas tax is high, so the gas is kind of similar.
02:03:17.000They would save money, like we would save money, um...
02:03:20.000You know, if we got rid of it, but there are a lot of people that live in New Jersey that are like, I won't pump my own gas.
02:03:32.000I used to work at a gas station and we used to pump people's gas, but that was in the 80s.
02:03:36.000I wonder if it was even legal to pump your own gas back then.
02:03:40.000I wonder if they had self-serve gas back then, because back then, I don't even know if people used credit cards.
02:03:46.000I remember Growing up, there were pumps that were, there would be stations that were like, the ones closest are full, the ones everything else is self.
02:04:18.000There was a guy the other day that he was so dirty, and he had this bucket of water that I'm sure was as dirty as him, and he was trying to wash people's windshields.
02:05:49.000Like, I want to be able to be somewhere where, like, okay, since, you know, elk season's in September, you're still going to have to be in school, but, like, we can go on the weekends.
02:07:11.000And so they're buying up enormous chunks of land, but they're also going to have it open for hunting.
02:07:17.000So this is not going to be like Yellowstone, where you have all these animals and they live in this very bizarre, protected sort of park area.
02:07:26.000They're trying to sort of bring back this enormous swath of land and reintroduce all the kind of animals that live here probably at the turn of the 19th century.
02:08:20.000People will kill some of those wolves to keep the populations in check.
02:08:26.000hit that number, then they move the goalposts, and they fight against that.
02:08:29.000And the environmentalists, a lot of these animal rights groups, they have—they call themselves environmentalists, they're really animal rights activists.
02:08:36.000They have lawsuits against these proposed hunting seasons, and they do that all the time.
02:10:00.000Like, that section of northwestern New Jersey, because it was only three counties had black bears, like, legitimately had black bears in New Jersey, and then it was New York, Pennsylvania, right in the tri-state corner.
02:10:12.000And like, I started hunting them right when it opened.
02:10:16.000I never saw a fucking bear during season because it was always during six day firearm, which is the second week of December.
02:11:10.000The bears don't want to eat garbage and get into, you know, human shit, but they will.
02:11:18.000And, like, a lot of the issues you have, too, is that people are like, oh, well, you know, we can just scare them off, shoot them with a rubber buckshot, you know, and that's what, like, the cops try to do when they come to a bear call.
02:11:29.000And it's like, this bear doesn't have millions of acres to go, like a bear in Montana.
02:14:11.000Yeah, like beefy, a little more irony than beef, but I've prepared them.
02:14:17.000I made some sous vide for Thanksgiving the one year, so I cooked them in the water bath for a while at like 135 or whatever, and then took them out because trichinosis...
02:15:10.000Yeah, I think there's different strains of trichinosis.
02:15:13.000Let's look this up, make sure I'm right, but I'm 99% sure I am, because this is something Renella told me.
02:15:18.000Rinella said that there's strains of trichinosis that are southern strains, and those strains that if you do put them in the deep freeze, they'll die.
02:15:27.000But then there's strains from Montana, Alaska.
02:16:52.000It says, while freezing for at least 20 plus days is known to kill most forms of trichinosis, I cannot recommend this method as there are strains that are resistant to freezing.
02:19:40.000That's what the lawsuit says, and let's see what the actual case said.
02:19:46.000You're going to have to hold your urine in for three more minutes here.
02:19:50.000It says the teen, who's now 17, lives in Florida, identified only as John Doe, was between 13 and 14 years old when sex traffickers posing as a 16-year-old female classmate started chatting with him.
02:20:04.000Doe, acting under duress, initially complied and sent videos of himself performing sex acts and was also told to include another child in his videos, which he did.
02:20:15.000Doe blocked the traffickers and stopped harassing him, but at some point in 2019, the video surfaced on Twitter under two accounts that were known to share child sexual abuse material.
02:20:27.000Over the next month, the videos were reported to Twitter at least three times.
02:20:31.000First on December 25th, 2019, but the tech giant failed to do anything about it until a federal law enforcement officer got involved.
02:20:40.000The suit states, Doe became aware of the tweets in January 2020 because they'd been viewed widely by his classmates.
02:20:49.000Which subjected him to teasing harassment, vicious bullying, and led him to become suicidal.
02:20:55.000court records show while those parents contacted the school and made police reports he followed a complaint with Twitter saying there were two tweets depicting child pornography of himself and they needed to be removed because they were illegal harmful and were in violation of the site's policies a support agent followed up and asked for a copy of Doe's ID so they could prove it was him and after the team complied there was no response for a week the
02:21:21.000Around the same time, Doe's mother filed two complaints to Twitter reporting the same material, and for a week, she also received no response.
02:21:30.000Finally, on January 28th, Twitter replied to Doe and said they wouldn't be taking down the material, which had already racked up over 187,000 views and 2,223 retweets.
02:22:53.000Like, it was just fucking happenstance, and you fucking dumbasses are, you're on here because it's so toxic, and you're just fighting with me, a subject matter expert.