The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #121 with Bobby Green

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00:00:05.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day I've been a fan ever since That's my preferred method Now, Blunt, what kind of Blunt?

00:00:16.000 Well, he was using Swisher Sweets There we go I believe There we go, I figured you'd say so And when I first started smoking, I was a Swisher guy I get the little grape swishers and little flavors and stuff like that But as it got more efficient in smoking I started stepping, taking little steps here and trying this And trying those wraps and trying these things Yeah.

00:00:39.000 Chef experiments with new spices.

00:00:41.000 So now I'm going to kick you to a backwood, okay?

00:00:43.000 Oh, okay.

00:00:44.000 I've had backwood.

00:00:45.000 Okay.

00:00:45.000 Yeah.

00:00:46.000 You know, there's companies that roll...

00:00:49.000 Nick from Foundation Cigar sent me some papers.

00:00:53.000 It's like they use like real...

00:00:53.000 I've seen that.

00:00:55.000 That's it, right?

00:00:56.000 Thank you, sir.

00:00:57.000 This stuff right here.

00:00:58.000 This is where you don't have to destroy a cigar.

00:01:01.000 They just give you the actual leaf.

00:01:03.000 The actual leaf.

00:01:04.000 Yeah, I know.

00:01:05.000 I see everybody come out with those now.

00:01:06.000 Because a lot of people that do it, it's kind of a waste.

00:01:07.000 They're realizing that we're not even fucking using the fucking tobacco.

00:01:10.000 I bet that's a giant percentage of the amount of...

00:01:14.000 There's another company called Pom Pom, and they came out because Swisher had to create a lower company because no one was smoking their tobacco.

00:01:23.000 They're just taking it and dumping it in the trash and start like, oh, we're not even going to smoke our tobacco?

00:01:26.000 We're going to put cheaper tobacco in here and sell it for the people that are doing those things.

00:01:31.000 That makes sense.

00:01:32.000 Why put good tobacco in if 90% of the people are throwing it out?

00:01:35.000 You want to try this?

00:01:37.000 Oh, fuck it.

00:01:38.000 I'm down.

00:01:39.000 Fuck it.

00:01:39.000 Let's try it.

00:01:40.000 Because I feel like this dude keeps sending me, and they're, oh, it's fresh and clean.

00:01:43.000 Let me see what's going on with over here.

00:01:44.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:01:45.000 Look at this.

00:01:46.000 Like, I like the natural leaves.

00:01:46.000 And it's natural?

00:01:46.000 Look at this.

00:01:48.000 That's what I don't like about the hoe.

00:01:48.000 That is the real shit.

00:01:49.000 Oh, see, we need scissors for this.

00:01:51.000 This is a whole long leaf.

00:01:52.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:01:52.000 Holy shit.

00:01:53.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:01:54.000 We might need a knife.

00:01:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:56.000 He gave you a couple leaves.

00:01:57.000 Look at that.

00:01:58.000 You ever heard of a gobble leaf?

00:01:59.000 Yes.

00:02:00.000 That's what those remind me of, gobble leaves.

00:02:02.000 Oh, that smells so good.

00:02:03.000 Let me check it out.

00:02:04.000 Jamie's got a knife.

00:02:04.000 Let me check it out.

00:02:05.000 Hold on.

00:02:07.000 Okay, okay.

00:02:10.000 It smells nice to you.

00:02:11.000 It smells like...

00:02:12.000 It does, right?

00:02:13.000 You don't smell nice?

00:02:15.000 I don't even say what it smells like to me.

00:02:16.000 You don't like tobacco smell?

00:02:17.000 I love tobacco smell.

00:02:19.000 I do, too.

00:02:19.000 I do when it burns.

00:02:20.000 Like, for instance, I like these honey blunts.

00:02:22.000 You know?

00:02:23.000 The flavor of the honey.

00:02:24.000 This smells great.

00:02:26.000 I love a good cigar, though.

00:02:27.000 I really do.

00:02:28.000 I love the smell.

00:02:29.000 And this is...

00:02:31.000 I don't know if this is the same company that Foundation Cigars uses.

00:02:36.000 It says...

00:02:39.000 They use funky font where you can't really read it.

00:02:42.000 Let me see what's going on here.

00:02:44.000 I think it says fronto...

00:02:45.000 See?

00:02:46.000 A fronto, yeah.

00:02:46.000 Fronto King.

00:02:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:48.000 See, so that's what it reminds me of a fronto leaf.

00:02:50.000 There's frontos, there's gabas.

00:02:51.000 Oh, really?

00:02:52.000 Oh, so you're aficionado.

00:02:54.000 That's what I said.

00:02:54.000 I was getting...

00:02:55.000 I was trying to get in there.

00:02:56.000 I was like, hey, trying to find my little lane, you know?

00:02:59.000 Right, right, right.

00:03:01.000 Shit, I do.

00:03:01.000 I fuck.

00:03:02.000 I fight.

00:03:04.000 And I smoke a lot of weed.

00:03:06.000 Those are things I do really well.

00:03:07.000 Oh yeah, fuck yeah.

00:03:09.000 Luis Gomez can roll a hell of a blunt too.

00:03:12.000 Gomez, Gomez is so familiar.

00:03:13.000 It's a real thing, like to have that skill.

00:03:15.000 I'm not even good at rolling joints.

00:03:17.000 Oh yeah, brother.

00:03:17.000 I'm so spoiled, I buy too many joints.

00:03:19.000 I get so mad sometimes with some of my friends, because I'm like, oh you're gonna fuck it up, you know?

00:03:23.000 Especially these things, they're like 10 bucks a pack.

00:03:25.000 Right, right.

00:03:26.000 You fuck them up, you're right back at the store.

00:03:28.000 Yep.

00:03:28.000 You know, I spend so much money on that type of shit.

00:03:32.000 So, let's see how this goes.

00:03:34.000 So, Bobby.

00:03:35.000 I want to talk about the old days.

00:03:38.000 I want to talk about everything.

00:03:39.000 I want to talk about the old days.

00:03:40.000 I'll talk about whatever you want to talk about.

00:03:42.000 You know, like, I seen you way back.

00:03:45.000 I don't even know if you remember.

00:03:46.000 I remember we hung out at the Ice House.

00:03:48.000 You remember?

00:03:49.000 Yeah, Pasadena.

00:03:50.000 Shit, that was like, bro, that was more than 10 years ago.

00:03:53.000 You fucking remember.

00:03:54.000 You got a great memory.

00:03:55.000 Yeah, we hung out.

00:03:56.000 Yeah, okay.

00:03:56.000 Fun, fun times.

00:03:57.000 I'm going to ask you this then.

00:03:58.000 That was like, when was that?

00:04:00.000 That was when I was in Strike Force.

00:04:02.000 I waited in line to meet you.

00:04:04.000 I'm like, hey, Joe, I'm a big fan.

00:04:04.000 2006 or 2007?

00:04:07.000 I'm like, yeah, I'm Bobby Green.

00:04:09.000 You're like...

00:04:09.000 You didn't recognize my face, which nobody does, because I don't know what it is.

00:04:13.000 I just changed my look, and I don't got the bolts on my face.

00:04:16.000 When I see fighters, I associate everybody in shorts, with no shirt on, with gloves on.

00:04:21.000 That's how I remember you.

00:04:23.000 You don't see a lot of guys out on the street, and then you go, oh, Bobby!

00:04:27.000 That happens all the time to me.

00:04:28.000 I run into a guy, and I'm like, why do I know this dude?

00:04:31.000 I fucking commentated his fights.

00:04:32.000 Yeah, me and a friend of ours where we go to all your little shows in the ice house and kind of support.

00:04:36.000 I'm not gonna use that leaf for this one because I don't know how to cut it exactly and I don't want to fuck them up.

00:04:41.000 No worries.

00:04:42.000 Yeah, that ice house is a great spot.

00:04:44.000 But yeah, no, I remember us hanging out there.

00:04:45.000 You killed it the first night, brother.

00:04:47.000 That's fun.

00:04:47.000 You came through, you killed it.

00:04:49.000 You told the story about, I think it's Mark Hunt.

00:04:52.000 Uh, and he's stealing a woman.

00:04:54.000 He takes his country girls at a hotel or something, you know what I mean?

00:04:58.000 And another girl's like...

00:04:59.000 No, no, no, Mark Coleman.

00:05:00.000 Mark Coleman, I'm sorry.

00:05:01.000 There we go, Mark Coleman.

00:05:02.000 Yeah, let's not mention that story because I kind of never told anybody it was about Mark.

00:05:08.000 Everybody just assumed.

00:05:11.000 Whoops.

00:05:11.000 Holy shit.

00:05:13.000 So yeah, growing up in those times, like, I feel like the fighters now these days, they don't know what it was like for us coming up in interesting ways.

00:05:21.000 Like, the different things we had to go through.

00:05:23.000 Like, for instance, when I got into MMA, it was still, like, unheard of type of thing, you know?

00:05:28.000 Like, you didn't have a gym you could just go to and train.

00:05:31.000 What year was your first fight?

00:05:33.000 I have no fucking idea.

00:05:34.000 I was 21 years old.

00:05:36.000 I've met a girl.

00:05:36.000 How old are you now?

00:05:37.000 I'm 35. So let's do that math.

00:05:39.000 14?

00:05:40.000 14 years?

00:05:41.000 Yeah.

00:05:41.000 14 years is 22, so fucking 2008?

00:05:47.000 Yeah.

00:05:50.000 So I think I saw you at the Ice House.

00:05:52.000 It was after that, right?

00:05:54.000 So it must have been 2010-ish.

00:05:56.000 Because we were doing the podcast at the Ice House back then, so I think it was 2010. Wow.

00:06:01.000 I have a terrible memory.

00:06:03.000 I spoke too much weed.

00:06:04.000 I don't know if that's bad for your memory, because my memory's good sometimes.

00:06:08.000 That's what's weird.

00:06:09.000 I'm getting punched in the head a lot.

00:06:10.000 One of the two.

00:06:10.000 That's an issue.

00:06:11.000 I love the sport.

00:06:12.000 Yeah.

00:06:14.000 There's nothing like it.

00:06:15.000 The Strikeforce days were interesting, right?

00:06:17.000 Because it's like, it was, uh, there was elite fighters, but it wasn't getting quite the coverage that it deserved.

00:06:25.000 Yeah.

00:06:25.000 You know, I mean, there was some great fights, like, my God, like, that was the Nick Diaz era.

00:06:30.000 I was gonna say that, that was the real era of the Diaz's, where they were really like, do you remember the fucking fight, uh, With Mayhem, where they fucking got in the fight after the shit.

00:06:39.000 These things happen in MMA. It was going down back in the days, you know?

00:06:43.000 They really set that precedent for like, hey, don't fuck with us, you know?

00:06:46.000 Yeah.

00:06:46.000 We will set this bitch off.

00:06:47.000 That was a wilder time of fighting.

00:06:51.000 The sponsors were all like Bob's Auto Shop and shit.

00:06:56.000 Yes, yes.

00:06:57.000 Do you remember Shad Smith?

00:06:59.000 Shad Smith.

00:07:00.000 Yeah, I do remember Shad Smith.

00:07:01.000 That was my first coach.

00:07:02.000 No kidding.

00:07:03.000 First coach.

00:07:04.000 Wow.

00:07:05.000 I didn't know anything about MMA. I saw felony fights.

00:07:09.000 You know what felony fights is?

00:07:10.000 Yes.

00:07:10.000 He was on there.

00:07:11.000 Didn't Shad Smith fight Dwayne Ludwig in King of the Cage?

00:07:15.000 He is fought in everybody, brother.

00:07:18.000 He's fought in everybody from...

00:07:21.000 From every show.

00:07:22.000 Crazy Horse, Uriah, Faber.

00:07:26.000 He's fought in everyone.

00:07:28.000 And so I see felony fights.

00:07:31.000 I see this tall-headed white guy all tatted up.

00:07:34.000 And I remember when he fought the guy on the show, he had him on the ground.

00:07:38.000 He had him mounted and he was pounding him.

00:07:39.000 And he just gave up.

00:07:40.000 He's like, bro, the guy's done.

00:07:42.000 He showed compassion.

00:07:43.000 So I didn't forget that guy.

00:07:44.000 He just had a different character than all the other guys who were doing this.

00:07:48.000 Like, I'm going to smash.

00:07:48.000 I'm going to be a tough guy for YouTube, you know?

00:07:51.000 I saw this one felony fight with this dude, KO'd this guy, and then just kept dropping knees on his head, and they didn't stop the fight.

00:07:59.000 He was out cold.

00:08:01.000 And he was out cold, laying on his back, and this dude was just hips up in the air, and boom, dropping knees on his head.

00:08:09.000 Boom!

00:08:11.000 It was awful.

00:08:13.000 And so I remember Shad from that.

00:08:14.000 I should know I'm bumping the Shad somewhere.

00:08:16.000 And I'm like, oh, you're the felony fights guy, you know?

00:08:19.000 So we're training together.

00:08:20.000 I'm a wrestler.

00:08:21.000 He hears I'm this little wrestler in the town.

00:08:24.000 So he's like, can you help me out with my wrestling?

00:08:26.000 And I'll kind of show you a little bit about jujitsu and fighting.

00:08:29.000 What year is this around?

00:08:31.000 This...

00:08:32.000 Fuck, I'm terrible with the year stuff.

00:08:33.000 You can't ask me that, Joe.

00:08:34.000 I do not keep up with dates.

00:08:35.000 How old were you?

00:08:36.000 I can't even remember my own birth date.

00:08:38.000 Just how old were you back then?

00:08:39.000 How old were you when you started?

00:08:41.000 I was 20. 20 and 21. I remember when I first started MMA was because of my son.

00:08:46.000 I met a chick and within a month she got pregnant.

00:08:49.000 So I'm working a warehouse job.

00:08:52.000 Six days a week.

00:08:53.000 On my seventh day, I go all the way out to Mexico.

00:08:55.000 I fight in Mexico and make $800.

00:08:57.000 I come back.

00:08:58.000 I keep the little money, put it in a savings account or put it in a little account for him.

00:09:02.000 And it's just this money I'm having for this kid.

00:09:04.000 I'm scared.

00:09:05.000 I don't know.

00:09:05.000 It's my first child.

00:09:06.000 I don't know what the fuck I've been doing.

00:09:08.000 I'm scared.

00:09:08.000 So I just put all this money away to help save for him.

00:09:12.000 So that was your introduction to fighting.

00:09:15.000 Did you have any striking back then?

00:09:17.000 No striking at all, just a wrestler.

00:09:19.000 I had no idea what jiu-jitsu was.

00:09:21.000 I'm going around fighting guys in Mexico who...

00:09:24.000 150 Muay Thai fights, you know?

00:09:27.000 Oh my gosh.

00:09:28.000 Yeah.

00:09:29.000 And these are the days where fighting was mostly illegal in California.

00:09:32.000 I fought three guys in one night that night.

00:09:35.000 Three fights.

00:09:35.000 The stand-up guy had 150 fights, Muay Thai.

00:09:39.000 Then I fought a purple belt from Henzo Gracie School.

00:09:43.000 And then I fought a black belt from...

00:09:45.000 I don't remember what school he was from.

00:09:47.000 This is in Mexico?

00:09:49.000 Yeah.

00:09:49.000 Tijuana?

00:09:50.000 Yeah.

00:09:50.000 Yeah, I knew a lot of guys from Legends Gym back in the day were going down to Tijuana for fights.

00:09:56.000 Because it was not that far to go.

00:09:58.000 Brianna is just supposed to be from there.

00:09:59.000 Henry Brianna is supposed to be from there.

00:10:00.000 I beat him too.

00:10:01.000 I fought him too.

00:10:02.000 I fought all the who's who's of Mexicals.

00:10:05.000 I actually became a star in Mexico before I actually did anything out here.

00:10:09.000 Yeah.

00:10:09.000 Really?

00:10:09.000 Mexical love me.

00:10:11.000 I get out there and I dance.

00:10:12.000 I'm from foster care.

00:10:13.000 I've been in foster care since I was four years old.

00:10:15.000 So I know white people.

00:10:16.000 I know black people.

00:10:16.000 I know Mexican people.

00:10:17.000 I even speak a little bit Spanish.

00:10:19.000 I love poquito.

00:10:20.000 So I know their culture.

00:10:23.000 So they're hating on me when I first come out there.

00:10:25.000 They're booing me.

00:10:25.000 You're not from Mexico.

00:10:27.000 Then after the fight, they drop the music.

00:10:29.000 I start dancing like cumbias and merengue.

00:10:32.000 They're like, what?

00:10:32.000 He knows our shit, you know?

00:10:35.000 After that, they love me.

00:10:36.000 They fucking love me ever since.

00:10:37.000 That's awesome.

00:10:39.000 So back to Shad Smith.

00:10:41.000 Shad Smith's this tough guy.

00:10:42.000 He's the tap-out guy.

00:10:44.000 Tap-out at the time was the biggest thing for MMA. They pushed the beacon, you know?

00:10:50.000 They really pushed that mark to get us out there, out there, you know?

00:10:53.000 Going to EC shows and selling these shirts and blah, blah, blah.

00:10:56.000 And so I meet Shad.

00:10:57.000 We're working out.

00:10:58.000 We're going great.

00:10:59.000 Everything's going great.

00:11:00.000 I'm like in the gym.

00:11:01.000 I'm starting to become this fighter.

00:11:03.000 So one day after practice, Shad doesn't tell me that Shad is gay.

00:11:08.000 I have no problem with that.

00:11:10.000 What you do is your own thing, as long as you don't come at me with it.

00:11:13.000 One day we're training, and after training gets over, I take my shirt off.

00:11:17.000 I think we ended a round.

00:11:18.000 I take my shirt off like, are we going to go to the next round?

00:11:20.000 And he's like, hey, put your shirt on, bro.

00:11:22.000 Put your shirt on.

00:11:23.000 I can't concentrate.

00:11:24.000 And I was like, my wheels are turning a little bit.

00:11:27.000 I'm like, what is he saying?

00:11:28.000 What does he mean, you know?

00:11:29.000 And then it finally hit me.

00:11:31.000 Oh, fuck.

00:11:33.000 He's talking about this.

00:11:34.000 He's like, oh, bro, I didn't tell you.

00:11:35.000 Oh, yeah, I'm gay, you know?

00:11:37.000 And I'm like, oh, brother, no problem.

00:11:38.000 As long as you don't call me, I'm not that way.

00:11:40.000 You know, it's cool.

00:11:41.000 So we let it go.

00:11:43.000 Bygones, we're gonna work together.

00:11:44.000 It's cool.

00:11:45.000 I used to be riding the backseat smoking weed with him and his boyfriend.

00:11:48.000 They're fighting each other.

00:11:50.000 Fist fighting and some more, you know?

00:11:51.000 They're crazy.

00:11:52.000 Fist fighting in the backseat.

00:11:53.000 You have to understand, this is when gay stuff is just really coming around the corner, you know?

00:11:59.000 And so it's still new.

00:12:00.000 I think gay stuff's been around a long time.

00:12:02.000 But it's getting its momentum.

00:12:04.000 Yeah.

00:12:07.000 It's becoming more mainstream accepted, right?

00:12:09.000 Yeah, it's getting the momentum.

00:12:10.000 It's crazy that that is in our lifetime.

00:12:12.000 I think that's because of the internet.

00:12:14.000 And so I'm at this gym.

00:12:16.000 I don't know anybody.

00:12:18.000 I'm working with this really crazy guy.

00:12:20.000 He's fucking nuts.

00:12:21.000 He fights with his boyfriend all the time, but he's a really cool guy.

00:12:23.000 He's really giving.

00:12:25.000 But the only problem was with Shad is Shad would like to fuck the guys at the gym.

00:12:31.000 Oh, no.

00:12:31.000 So we're sitting outside one day.

00:12:33.000 We just finished training.

00:12:34.000 We're smoking a blunt.

00:12:35.000 We're all chilling.

00:12:36.000 We're all, like, tired, you know?

00:12:38.000 And one of the guys is like, hey, come here.

00:12:40.000 You know, Shad wants you.

00:12:41.000 Shad wants you.

00:12:41.000 I fucked this one up, by the way.

00:12:43.000 You fucked up the blunt?

00:12:44.000 I tore it a little bit.

00:12:45.000 Oh, no.

00:12:46.000 But I still make it work.

00:12:48.000 So he's like, Shad wants you.

00:12:51.000 And I'm like, okay.

00:12:52.000 He's snickering, he's laughing.

00:12:53.000 He's like, watch this, watch this.

00:12:55.000 So I'm like, what's going on, you know?

00:12:56.000 The guy goes, oh, what the fuck?

00:12:58.000 He comes back running.

00:12:59.000 He's like, he's fucking somebody in the ass, you know?

00:13:02.000 And that was my last day of practice.

00:13:04.000 And I'm like, I just can't do it.

00:13:05.000 That's a little much, you know?

00:13:07.000 So you would turn around the corner and he was there doing it.

00:13:11.000 So he wanted you to see it.

00:13:12.000 Smashing a guy right there.

00:13:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:14.000 So I'm like, bro, this ain't professional.

00:13:15.000 So he wasn't just fucking the guys in the gym.

00:13:17.000 He was fucking guys inside the gym.

00:13:20.000 Yes.

00:13:21.000 And he's a great guy, you know?

00:13:23.000 That's a little unprofessional.

00:13:24.000 Yeah, it's a little unprofessional.

00:13:26.000 I can't do that, you know?

00:13:27.000 I just can't.

00:13:28.000 I understand.

00:13:28.000 I can't work with this, you know?

00:13:29.000 So I left.

00:13:30.000 I had no idea where to train anymore.

00:13:32.000 I gave up on MMA. I actually fought one amateur fight against a kid.

00:13:36.000 And so I'm like, cool.

00:13:37.000 I'm done with MMA. A couple of buddies of mine hit us up, we start talking, and we go to this wrestling tournament.

00:13:43.000 At this wrestling tournament, I do all the wildest things.

00:13:46.000 I take WWE and I mix it with actual wrestling so people can be entertained.

00:13:52.000 Because wrestling can be kind of boring if you don't know its whole nature and what's going on.

00:13:58.000 The average fan, they're like, what's going on?

00:14:00.000 They're just hugging each other.

00:14:03.000 So I would do things like the Hurricane Rana.

00:14:05.000 You know what that is?

00:14:06.000 You jump on a guy and you spin under him and roll him.

00:14:09.000 A guy would shoot on me.

00:14:10.000 I'd stop his shot.

00:14:12.000 And then while he's down there, I'd jump over his head, literally in mid-air, hook him, and roll over him.

00:14:18.000 So I'm doing all these crazy suplexes.

00:14:20.000 Really?

00:14:20.000 You did pro wrestling moves in a real fight?

00:14:22.000 Fuck yes.

00:14:22.000 Yes.

00:14:23.000 What did the dude do?

00:14:24.000 This is a wrestling match.

00:14:26.000 This is a freestyle match where older people come by.

00:14:29.000 We graduated from high school.

00:14:30.000 Excuse me.

00:14:31.000 We graduated from high school, and now we can do, like, my buddy's like, let's go hang out, we'll go wrestle together, you know?

00:14:35.000 Right, but it's a real wrestling match.

00:14:37.000 A real wrestling match.

00:14:38.000 And you're doing pro wrestling shit in a real match.

00:14:41.000 Yes.

00:14:42.000 I'm trying to find...

00:14:43.000 It's funny how Jiu-Jitsu guys call that, they'll call a match a fight.

00:14:46.000 Yeah, that's a match.

00:14:47.000 It's a match.

00:14:48.000 That's a match, it's not a fight!

00:14:49.000 Yeah, you're not hitting each other, it's not a fight.

00:14:51.000 I can't stand that.

00:14:52.000 It's weird, right?

00:14:53.000 It bothers me.

00:14:55.000 I got friends that go, hey, who do you think is going to win between John Cena and The Rock in their fight?

00:15:00.000 Oh, that's even more ridiculous.

00:15:02.000 Yeah, so I'm like, bro, they already know who's going to win.

00:15:05.000 They already know who's going to win.

00:15:07.000 As a matter of fact, he's already got his check and he's counting the money.

00:15:09.000 I have to have this conversation with Tony Hinchcliffe Weekly.

00:15:13.000 To me, I love wrestling, but I thought the interest is, you know, the fireworks, the energy, that's the package part.

00:15:24.000 Now, can I bring that to MMA? You know, that's my biggest thing is since the beginning, I used to come out with Santa Claus suits, throw out stuff to the crowd, because it's like, it's the same along the same lines.

00:15:35.000 I figured if we could bring MMA to...

00:15:40.000 WWE. The only problem is that why WWE had the fall was when everyone found out it was fake.

00:15:44.000 I believed it was real!

00:15:44.000 Right.

00:15:46.000 And then someone's like, you know that shit's fake, right?

00:15:48.000 You know, like, look at their feet and they're going, ugh!

00:15:50.000 Ugh!

00:15:51.000 I'm like, what?

00:15:52.000 They're slamming each other!

00:15:53.000 How old were you when you thought it was real?

00:15:56.000 I'd say 12. That's normal.

00:15:59.000 And so then, I'm like, what?

00:15:59.000 That's normal.

00:16:00.000 You can't fake a slam?

00:16:01.000 He just picked that guy and slammed him.

00:16:03.000 I'm like, no, they've actually been trained to break the fall, you know?

00:16:07.000 Right.

00:16:08.000 Yeah, if you think about Santa Claus, like the average age kids find out, what do you think it is, Jamie?

00:16:13.000 Nine?

00:16:14.000 I hope not.

00:16:15.000 I hope not, but I think it is.

00:16:18.000 Fuck Santa Claus.

00:16:19.000 You think Daddy.

00:16:19.000 Daddy got some damn gifts, you know?

00:16:21.000 Yes, you should think Daddy, but people believe in Santa Claus up until probably, I think the average age is probably seven or eight, but you need a better lighter here.

00:16:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:31.000 Check this out.

00:16:32.000 Look at you, look at you.

00:16:34.000 Yeah, cigar lighter.

00:16:35.000 I would say that Santa Claus is probably 9. Pro wrestling is probably 11 or 12. A little bit later.

00:16:41.000 Maybe until 9 you're holding out hope that it's still...

00:16:45.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:16:46.000 Everyone's wrong.

00:16:47.000 Maybe when you're 9 you're holding out hope.

00:16:50.000 But I'm like, how do you fake the chairs?

00:16:52.000 How do you fake the tables?

00:16:53.000 Oh, they're compressed sawdust.

00:16:55.000 And oh, it's aluminum.

00:16:57.000 They're like, what?

00:16:58.000 It just bursts in my whole bubble.

00:16:59.000 Oh, you mean those chairs that they slam on people?

00:17:01.000 Yeah, they slam each other and hitting each other and doing all this stuff.

00:17:04.000 I'm going to clean all this stuff when I'm done, sir.

00:17:05.000 Don't worry about it, man.

00:17:06.000 We have people clean up.

00:17:07.000 I'm not a dirty motherfucker.

00:17:09.000 So, yeah.

00:17:10.000 So, I'm doing these tournaments now.

00:17:11.000 Some messing guys find me.

00:17:15.000 Mexican guys fighting.

00:17:16.000 Yeah, my two Mexican coaches, they go, hey, you should fight.

00:17:20.000 Back when I was with the first coach, I had that amateur fight.

00:17:24.000 There's a guy named Aaron Miller, Blood Spill Miller.

00:17:28.000 He's fighting for a title.

00:17:29.000 I go, I beat that kid in my amateur fight.

00:17:31.000 Maybe I should do fighting.

00:17:33.000 So from that moment when I met those two messing guys, I didn't know them too well.

00:17:38.000 Turns out they're a different type of gym.

00:17:44.000 This gym is full of gangsters.

00:17:46.000 Oh, really?

00:17:47.000 They train, but they gangsters.

00:17:48.000 They smoke weed.

00:17:50.000 We go into Mexico, we're fighting.

00:17:51.000 I was literally in the gym two weeks, literally two weeks at the max, and I had my first fight.

00:17:57.000 Wow.

00:17:58.000 That's crazy.

00:18:00.000 This guy, this coach, he's known for, like, he'll just throw anybody in there.

00:18:04.000 He's going to make money, I'll get 200 bucks off of you.

00:18:06.000 But watch this.

00:18:07.000 I got you a fight, I got you a fight, and you a fight.

00:18:10.000 I made 500, I made 200 from each five guys, I made 1,000 bucks to pay my rent.

00:18:15.000 Right.

00:18:15.000 That's his thinking.

00:18:16.000 So he was just throwing people to the wolves.

00:18:18.000 I don't care if you win, I don't care if you lose, I'm gonna get paid, you know?

00:18:21.000 Well, that's a lot of the early day promoters, right?

00:18:21.000 Right.

00:18:24.000 That's what we're getting to in the early days.

00:18:27.000 These new kids don't know what it was like to get there.

00:18:29.000 I have to explain to my younger guys, I took every opportunity I got to get here.

00:18:33.000 I took every opportunity.

00:18:34.000 I fought on 24 hours notice.

00:18:36.000 I fought...

00:18:38.000 I fought three times in one night.

00:18:40.000 I've done everything, Joe.

00:18:41.000 How many days notice was the Islam fight, the Makachev fight?

00:18:49.000 Ten days?

00:18:50.000 Yeah.

00:18:51.000 How heavy were you before you took that fight?

00:18:53.000 Fuck, Joe.

00:18:54.000 It was a mess, brother.

00:18:55.000 It was a mess.

00:18:56.000 Because I know, like, the cut has to be planned out, you know, if you're gonna do it correctly.

00:19:02.000 And I love All You Can Eat Sushi.

00:19:05.000 I'm a fat guy.

00:19:06.000 Like, I'm gonna be fat after my shit.

00:19:08.000 Yeah?

00:19:08.000 When I seen Khabib, I was like, holy fuck!

00:19:10.000 He's not fat.

00:19:11.000 What happened to you?

00:19:12.000 He's just big.

00:19:13.000 He's just not lean anymore.

00:19:15.000 Yeah.

00:19:15.000 But to us, in our world, you know, in our world, we clown each other every day.

00:19:21.000 If I come to the gym after, they call me Bobby Burger King Green.

00:19:27.000 Because I was fucking face all fucking bloated and shit.

00:19:31.000 A lot of fighters do that, right?

00:19:33.000 At the end of their career, they get really fat.

00:19:36.000 Really common.

00:19:37.000 Look at Maidana.

00:19:38.000 Yeah.

00:19:38.000 Oh, yeah, that's a good example, right?

00:19:40.000 He's losing weight, though.

00:19:41.000 Apparently, he's trying to make a comeback.

00:19:43.000 But I'm like, motherfucker.

00:19:44.000 Like, I've been 155. I left high school at 160. For the last 20 years, I've been the same weight.

00:19:52.000 I deserve to be fat.

00:19:54.000 I understand.

00:19:55.000 Let me just let it go.

00:19:56.000 You know, just like your hair.

00:19:57.000 Just let it go.

00:19:59.000 Let it go.

00:19:59.000 Let that belly out.

00:20:00.000 You know?

00:20:01.000 Let it go.

00:20:01.000 Paddy Pimblitt?

00:20:03.000 That motherfucker gets fat quick.

00:20:05.000 He's fat as fuck right now.

00:20:07.000 I hear that.

00:20:07.000 He's fat as fuck.

00:20:08.000 His face is all round and he shows his belly.

00:20:11.000 He's hilarious.

00:20:12.000 He's hilarious.

00:20:13.000 If you don't understand this, we actually go through depression.

00:20:15.000 You know, a lot of fighters, they don't recognize that.

00:20:17.000 We're kind of like cheerleaders.

00:20:19.000 You look sexy.

00:20:19.000 Right.

00:20:20.000 You look good.

00:20:21.000 You see yourself every day in the mirror for the last four to eight weeks.

00:20:25.000 Shredded.

00:20:26.000 Shredded.

00:20:26.000 You're looking like, yeah.

00:20:28.000 And then all of a sudden, two days later, not even like a week, two days, you're like, what happened?

00:20:34.000 I was in shape just two days ago.

00:20:37.000 I fought literally three days ago, and I'm now 195 pounds.

00:20:40.000 That happens to everybody if you go off the rails.

00:20:42.000 There's Paddy.

00:20:43.000 Look at him now.

00:20:44.000 There's Dean Thomas.

00:20:45.000 Look at his face.

00:20:47.000 Look how fat his face gets.

00:20:50.000 He shows his gut before that.

00:20:52.000 Oh, that's a great...

00:20:53.000 He's already gelling up.

00:20:55.000 And he just fought.

00:20:57.000 He just fought a couple weeks ago.

00:20:59.000 He does look like Chris from Family Guy.

00:21:03.000 Somebody gotta tell him I gotta cut his fucking hair.

00:21:05.000 Shit.

00:21:06.000 No, no, no, no.

00:21:07.000 He looks like one of the Hanson brothers or something.

00:21:11.000 But that's his shtick.

00:21:12.000 True.

00:21:13.000 That's his shtick, you know?

00:21:14.000 Your shtick is you got a tattooed head and you're cool as fuck.

00:21:18.000 And his shtick is he's silly.

00:21:21.000 Like, his hair's silly.

00:21:22.000 I bet a lot of people underestimated him when they first saw him.

00:21:25.000 Because you see, look at this nerd, this goofy-ass hair.

00:21:28.000 What is the odds that he can fight?

00:21:30.000 Yeah.

00:21:30.000 He can fucking fight.

00:21:32.000 I'll give him that.

00:21:32.000 He can.

00:21:33.000 He's diving right into the deep end of the pool quick, though.

00:21:36.000 It's interesting.

00:21:37.000 You know, they gave him two fighters.

00:21:40.000 First guy, I forget who he fought, was pretty talented.

00:21:43.000 Second guy was pretty talented, too.

00:21:44.000 And now they're talking about Ilya Tapuria.

00:21:47.000 That's a big jump.

00:21:49.000 That's not a big jump.

00:21:50.000 And that's another thing, too.

00:21:51.000 I like that jump.

00:21:52.000 I like it.

00:21:52.000 I like it, but it's a big jump.

00:21:54.000 Come on, Joe.

00:21:55.000 Let's get to the truth, Joe.

00:21:56.000 No, no doubt.

00:21:57.000 I think Patty's very good.

00:21:59.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:22:00.000 His submission game is very, very tight.

00:22:01.000 But I try to explain this.

00:22:02.000 I got a little beef with a...

00:22:03.000 What's his next name?

00:22:06.000 That is the worst blunt anybody's ever wrote.

00:22:09.000 It's the worst blunt.

00:22:09.000 Yeah?

00:22:10.000 Holy shit.

00:22:11.000 Oh, yeah, I know.

00:22:12.000 I felt it.

00:22:13.000 I felt it.

00:22:14.000 I'm like, fuck, you're fucking nervous.

00:22:16.000 You ain't an idiot on fucking TV. Whatever you did is way better than what I would have done.

00:22:19.000 I'm terrible at joints and blunts.

00:22:20.000 I'm gonna do it again.

00:22:21.000 I'm gonna get high on this show.

00:22:23.000 We're already high.

00:22:24.000 No, this ain't even close.

00:22:25.000 Okay.

00:22:25.000 I smoke 15 of these a day.

00:22:28.000 Well, that's not good.

00:22:29.000 And I got the greatest cardio too, you know?

00:22:31.000 You do have great cardio.

00:22:32.000 That's the thing about it.

00:22:33.000 Marijuana does not seem to affect cardio like cigarettes do.

00:22:36.000 I don't smoke in my caps or anything.

00:22:38.000 I just want to say I'm not a doctor.

00:22:39.000 You don't smoke at all in camp?

00:22:40.000 Not at all.

00:22:41.000 You eat vegan in camp too, huh?

00:22:43.000 Yeah, I fucked up with the DS's.

00:22:44.000 They were getting me high.

00:22:46.000 I'm like, Nate, how long do you still smoke?

00:22:48.000 He's like, 11 days up to the final.

00:22:50.000 I'm like, what?

00:22:51.000 Wow.

00:22:53.000 When you eat vegan, does that help you cut weight?

00:22:57.000 Is that why you do it that way?

00:22:58.000 Yeah, you gotta understand.

00:22:59.000 Guys like me, they don't think I'm a big 55er.

00:23:03.000 If you're walking around 195 pounds...

00:23:04.000 Yeah, you look very big.

00:23:06.000 For normal people, they would never imagine you weigh 155 pounds.

00:23:10.000 That's what's crazy about fighting.

00:23:12.000 I've said this so many times, I risk repeating myself, but I do that a lot anyway.

00:23:17.000 The big thing that bothers me the most is not tough fights.

00:23:23.000 It's weight cuts.

00:23:24.000 That bothers me the most.

00:23:26.000 Because I just think it's a dumb thing.

00:23:28.000 This is why it bothers me.

00:23:29.000 Guys that know what they're doing, they're professional fighters, they know that they're going to have a fight like Hamzat and Gilbert just had, where both guys take crazy damage.

00:23:39.000 Everybody understands that.

00:23:42.000 It's part of the risk of the- but why is there an extra risk?

00:23:45.000 Why is there this extra risk of like starvation and dehydration?

00:23:50.000 What is that?

00:23:51.000 Like that doesn't- that hinders performance.

00:23:54.000 100%.

00:23:54.000 Fuck yeah.

00:23:55.000 I mean think of the amazing performances we've seen in the UFC and we've seen fucking amazing performances.

00:24:01.000 I've got to imagine They were strong.

00:24:05.000 Some of those people, as elite as we saw them, they're capable of something another level even higher if they weren't dehydrated.

00:24:13.000 If their body was operating on peak efficiency.

00:24:16.000 It's not going to be peak efficiency if you dehydrate yourself down to like, some of these guys look terrible.

00:24:22.000 That's what I like about Japan.

00:24:24.000 They force you to do dehydration tests.

00:24:26.000 Well, 1FC is doing something along those lines.

00:24:29.000 They were pushing all the guys up.

00:24:30.000 They do it in some wrestling tournaments, too, right?

00:24:33.000 They're big on not doing that dehydration to their bodies.

00:24:35.000 Man, it just doesn't make sense to me.

00:24:37.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:24:38.000 And I feel like there's a solution.

00:24:40.000 I can see it for some fighters, but for us, especially the 55 division.

00:24:44.000 That's that gap.

00:24:45.000 Yeah, that 55 is 70. That gap.

00:24:48.000 Yeah.

00:24:48.000 Everybody wants that 65, you know, at least.

00:24:50.000 But it leaves those guys in that weird space where I could go 70s like a Benson Henderson, but you're going to notice that difference in those 70 guys.

00:24:57.000 Yeah, they're bigger, man.

00:24:59.000 They are huge.

00:24:59.000 They're big dudes.

00:25:00.000 So you're in this weird...

00:25:01.000 You gotta cut it down, kid.

00:25:03.000 That's the way it goes.

00:25:04.000 That's one of the things about weight classes is there's guys that are really in this gap in between.

00:25:11.000 There's a reason why we differentiate by size.

00:25:15.000 Because it's a big advantage.

00:25:16.000 It's a giant advantage.

00:25:18.000 And so everybody wants the best advantage.

00:25:20.000 How can I do it and still be healthy?

00:25:22.000 Like, who does it the best?

00:25:24.000 I think Usman does it the best.

00:25:26.000 Because he's big.

00:25:28.000 That guy's a fucking killer, bro.

00:25:29.000 He's big, dude.

00:25:30.000 Anybody who's going from 55 to 70, go stand next to him.

00:25:34.000 He's a big, super athlete.

00:25:37.000 One time I was at the USCPI, and I'm just kind of kicking it, you know, doing a little training and stuff, and I look over and I see Usman there.

00:25:44.000 And he's training like he's trying to cut weight.

00:25:48.000 He's training like he's trying to cut weight.

00:25:50.000 Turns out it's the night of the damn fight.

00:25:52.000 He's going to fight that night.

00:25:53.000 He's fighting Dos Anos that night.

00:25:56.000 I'm thinking you'd be resting and saving your energy.

00:25:59.000 This guy's out here bullying it all out like he was cutting weight.

00:26:03.000 I was like, that's nuts.

00:26:05.000 And then I saw him go in the fight and just fucking, they went in there for five rounds of just hard, high-paced, pushing on each other.

00:26:13.000 I'm like, fuck, that guy's the truth.

00:26:14.000 He's the truth.

00:26:15.000 And he's the perfect size for 170. You know, he's like, when you're in these gaps, I think, from like 170 to 85, and then 85 to 205 is a big gap.

00:26:26.000 There's guys that would maybe even be champions if there was 10-pound weight classes.

00:26:32.000 I agree, I agree.

00:26:33.000 And it's unfortunate because I just, I don't think we see the best of them.

00:26:38.000 You know, there's like, if you get a guy who's an elite 55-er and he has to fight a guy who's an elite 170-pounder, that's a big difference.

00:26:46.000 That's a giant difference in a lot of these guys.

00:26:50.000 The fucking 70-pound guys are giant.

00:26:53.000 Like, how much do they really weigh?

00:26:55.000 Like, what do they really weigh?

00:26:56.000 They're not really weighing 170. They're only weighing 170 for a little while.

00:27:00.000 Yes.

00:27:00.000 It's crazy!

00:27:01.000 And so when I meet people and they're actually like, well, you're a 55, and they look at me and they kind of like, size me up against them, and they're like, I'm just as big as you and you're 220. You know?

00:27:10.000 They're like, there's no way you can be 155. It's illogical.

00:27:12.000 I'm only there for one, I'm there for three minutes.

00:27:15.000 I literally make the weight, I jump on the scales, and I'm putting it back on.

00:27:19.000 Goddamn, man.

00:27:20.000 How much does that take out of you, do you think?

00:27:22.000 Like, if you had to judge like a performance number.

00:27:26.000 If like, 100% is when you're fully healthy.

00:27:29.000 You cut weight and then you rehydrate.

00:27:31.000 I think it's perfect for me.

00:27:32.000 For instance, for 55s, I can make it fine.

00:27:36.000 No problem.

00:27:37.000 I think the issue more so is my power.

00:27:40.000 I notice when I'm walking around like 170, 175, 78, I'm fucking knocking guys.

00:27:46.000 I'm hitting guys and hurting them.

00:27:47.000 When I start to cut that whole weight, I lose my pop.

00:27:50.000 You know?

00:27:51.000 So I'm like, I could be knocking guys out at a bigger division, but now you also take the risk of getting your ass knocked out too more than hitting harder.

00:28:01.000 Do you think that, like, boxing has it right?

00:28:04.000 Don't get me started on boxing.

00:28:06.000 I mean, with their weight classes.

00:28:08.000 You got 50 weight classes.

00:28:10.000 Is that too many?

00:28:11.000 Is there like a comfortable medium somewhere?

00:28:13.000 We don't know all the boxing champions.

00:28:15.000 We know every UFC champion.

00:28:16.000 Because they stand out.

00:28:17.000 It's only so many.

00:28:18.000 And so that gives you a little bit more notoriety.

00:28:21.000 But I don't like the whole idea with boxing like...

00:28:25.000 I told you earlier about Sugar Sean.

00:28:30.000 Sugar Sean got a little back and forth going on.

00:28:32.000 And I'm trying to explain it to these younger fighters because I'm the old guy right now.

00:28:36.000 I've been through it and I've seen all this.

00:28:38.000 The UFC are the story writers.

00:28:40.000 The same thing with boxing.

00:28:41.000 They're story writers.

00:28:42.000 They're writing the stories and it's a certain way.

00:28:44.000 You better know how to play your role.

00:28:45.000 If you don't know your role, you'll get eliminated.

00:28:47.000 You'll get X'd out not knowing how to play the role.

00:28:50.000 Right now, you're in the great hot seat, brother.

00:28:51.000 You're in the great seat.

00:28:52.000 Play it cool.

00:28:53.000 Shut the fuck up and play your role.

00:28:54.000 But they don't know that it's this machine.

00:28:58.000 It's a story.

00:28:59.000 And they're going, oh, you're going to go here.

00:29:00.000 You're going to fight him.

00:29:01.000 You're going to do this.

00:29:02.000 They're going to write it just beautiful.

00:29:04.000 There's other guys that don't get that road, okay?

00:29:06.000 Like Dos Anjos, who's fighting everybody.

00:29:09.000 He's fighting every killer.

00:29:11.000 He can finally come through.

00:29:12.000 He's fighting him next.

00:29:12.000 There's another killer.

00:29:13.000 And so there's different roads and different stories.

00:29:16.000 And I'm like, Sean, understand.

00:29:17.000 Stop talking shit.

00:29:18.000 Stop.

00:29:19.000 Like, he did the whole basketball, drilling on the guy who just got in the UFC. This is his first fight.

00:29:25.000 And I felt like, don't get me wrong.

00:29:28.000 You gotta have the antics.

00:29:29.000 You gotta bring the fight.

00:29:31.000 But at the same time, know where you are and know what's going on.

00:29:35.000 Don't do that to that kid.

00:29:37.000 This is his first experience.

00:29:37.000 You just shit on a guy who didn't even...

00:29:40.000 It's his first get down.

00:29:43.000 And you've been fighting.

00:29:44.000 You've been in here.

00:29:45.000 You're talking shit.

00:29:45.000 You're the man.

00:29:47.000 And you're gonna do that kid like that?

00:29:49.000 And he also had 15 other offers.

00:29:51.000 15 other offers.

00:29:53.000 Sean gets to pick his fights.

00:29:54.000 So he's picking between these guys.

00:29:56.000 And he picks this guy who's not even in the division.

00:29:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:30:00.000 So it makes it look like he looks really good.

00:30:04.000 Everybody's like, oh, he's talented.

00:30:06.000 He's blah, blah, blah.

00:30:07.000 I'm like, listen, they're writing that story really well.

00:30:09.000 Same thing with Boston.

00:30:10.000 They never fight nobody.

00:30:12.000 While we didn't get Floyd Mayweather and Pacquiao the same at the right time, we didn't get Errol Spence and Crawford These guys who are the best, the UFC does it.

00:30:24.000 And at least they're going to write it at the right time.

00:30:26.000 They let Conor build it.

00:30:27.000 They wrote his story correctly.

00:30:29.000 And then they wrote this one, and it comes right.

00:30:31.000 At least they make it happen at some point in time.

00:30:34.000 With boxing, it doesn't happen.

00:30:36.000 They're just like, well, he's our star.

00:30:38.000 And we don't want to lose it, because in boxing, you lose, you're done.

00:30:41.000 You don't have the same...

00:30:42.000 I was a big Broner fan.

00:30:45.000 I liked his antics.

00:30:46.000 I liked everything to him.

00:30:47.000 But once he lost, everybody's like, he's done.

00:30:49.000 In the UFC, we don't have that.

00:30:51.000 Why do you think that is?

00:30:53.000 Why is the UFC more...

00:30:54.000 Why is it okay...

00:30:57.000 To lose?

00:30:57.000 Yeah, in MMA... Sorry.

00:31:01.000 Damn.

00:31:02.000 That Bobby Green weed got me.

00:31:04.000 But why is it okay to lose in MMA? Why do you think the MMA community...

00:31:10.000 Some of the greatest stars have lost a bunch of times.

00:31:13.000 But it's not even okay to lose!

00:31:16.000 In our industry, you know I hear the word I hear all the time?

00:31:20.000 Journeymen.

00:31:21.000 Like Colby Covington, I gotta say that.

00:31:24.000 He's a fucking journeyman.

00:31:25.000 You know, when they diss a guy because he got losses, you know?

00:31:28.000 If you've been in this trench long enough, you will get lost.

00:31:30.000 You're gonna get a lot of losses if you've been in these trenches long enough.

00:31:32.000 Because there's so many ways to play this.

00:31:35.000 This chessboard.

00:31:37.000 Well, if Colby Covington...

00:31:38.000 Jesus Christ.

00:31:41.000 Damn this cottonmouth.

00:31:43.000 If Colby Covington wasn't in the Usman era, he'd probably be champion.

00:31:49.000 I mean, the dude is a beast.

00:31:51.000 I agree.

00:31:51.000 I mean, he's a fucking beast.

00:31:53.000 His cardio is off the charts.

00:31:55.000 I mean, it's crazy.

00:31:57.000 It's really sad.

00:31:58.000 Wrestling is solid.

00:31:59.000 Be honest, he's so talented, and he reminded me of Chell, you know, where he had to use the mouthpiece to get more seen instead of his actual talent, you know, because he is a skilled fighter.

00:32:10.000 It's sad that...

00:32:12.000 He's gonna kind of almost taint it.

00:32:13.000 Like, Chell did it in a great way.

00:32:15.000 Chell did it in a great way.

00:32:16.000 At first it was a little, ugh, and nobody understood what he was doing.

00:32:20.000 But Chell made it funny, Chell made it interesting.

00:32:24.000 I saw him giving the bus a carrot, you know?

00:32:29.000 Yeah, it was funny.

00:32:31.000 Yes!

00:32:32.000 Kobe doesn't deliver it the same way.

00:32:34.000 It's offensive, it's hard to swallow.

00:32:37.000 Yeah, he's playing psychological warfare too, you know?

00:32:40.000 And the hard part about it is like...

00:32:44.000 For us, the real hardcore fans, I mean, not fans.

00:32:48.000 I would like to tell them the real Gs, the Nates, the Khabibs, the Corheys.

00:32:54.000 We look at you like, hey, you got to back that shit up.

00:32:56.000 If you're going to be that type of guy, go back that shit up.

00:32:59.000 Go stand on it.

00:33:00.000 You can't be the guy that you're talking to shit, but then when they approach you, you ain't ready with that time.

00:33:05.000 You ain't on that time.

00:33:06.000 If I'm going to be that type of aggression with somebody, then I know what time it is when I'm saying what I'm saying, and I see that person, I know what time it is.

00:33:14.000 You know, when I see Sean, like I don't like, and the reason I don't like Sean is because of Tekashi 6'9".

00:33:19.000 I don't like 6'9".

00:33:20.000 So he went and got him tatted.

00:33:22.000 I'm like, oh yeah?

00:33:22.000 You just jumped in the pool with him.

00:33:24.000 And I don't like you either.

00:33:25.000 And you got to be able to stand on what you do.

00:33:27.000 Because when those people come and see you, now we're attacking you, Sean.

00:33:29.000 You don't even know why?

00:33:30.000 Because you wouldn't have butted up with somebody else.

00:33:32.000 You clicked up with him, now you get in that same group.

00:33:36.000 Now you gotta stand on it.

00:33:37.000 Y'all wanna be badasses?

00:33:38.000 Well, stand on that shit.

00:33:39.000 Don't be calling the police.

00:33:41.000 You can't do none of that.

00:33:42.000 You wanna be a badass.

00:33:44.000 This is what badass shit is.

00:33:46.000 And don't get me wrong, I feel like Jorge snuck him.

00:33:49.000 Jorge snuck him.

00:33:50.000 Ran up late, you know?

00:33:52.000 But at the same time, you know what come with this shit.

00:33:56.000 You wanna live this life?

00:33:57.000 Stand on that shit.

00:34:01.000 As a professional, though, don't you think it's a good idea to not get into fistfights in the street?

00:34:07.000 I agree.

00:34:08.000 I agree.

00:34:09.000 As a professional.

00:34:10.000 I agree.

00:34:11.000 I know exactly what you're saying.

00:34:13.000 I understand entertainment, but hold on a second.

00:34:16.000 If you're going to be professional, keep it professional.

00:34:19.000 If you want to go low, then it's going low, and it's up.

00:34:23.000 It's up.

00:34:24.000 It's up on site.

00:34:25.000 Like, it's what it is.

00:34:26.000 If you want to go that way, like, with my kids and my wife and bringing all this other information out that really didn't...

00:34:33.000 Talk shit about me all day, brother.

00:34:34.000 Let's just go.

00:34:35.000 We can shoot shits.

00:34:36.000 We can talk jokes.

00:34:37.000 But now my family and my kids...

00:34:38.000 I don't think Jorge should have done that, though.

00:34:40.000 I don't.

00:34:40.000 I don't agree with it at all.

00:34:42.000 Like, you had 25 minutes, brother.

00:34:42.000 You know?

00:34:44.000 You had 25 minutes to do anything you needed to do.

00:34:48.000 It was that time.

00:34:49.000 And now you gotta go get him out?

00:34:51.000 You had your time, you know?

00:34:52.000 And I don't let it be like that.

00:34:53.000 I don't agree.

00:34:54.000 But at the same time, I don't agree with Kobe either.

00:34:57.000 You want to play that role?

00:34:58.000 Stand on it.

00:34:59.000 Come with it.

00:35:00.000 You know?

00:35:00.000 Chell had to deal with it.

00:35:02.000 Same thing, come with it.

00:35:03.000 Go ahead and walk that role.

00:35:04.000 That's why a lot of people don't play that role.

00:35:06.000 That's why people just play the martial arts role.

00:35:08.000 They shut up, they be cool.

00:35:09.000 They don't want to get booed.

00:35:10.000 They don't want to get chased, attacked.

00:35:12.000 Come with that shit.

00:35:15.000 Yeah, you're not a guy who got in any unnecessary beefs with people.

00:35:21.000 You seem like an easy guy to get along with, generally.

00:35:24.000 I'm chill, brother.

00:35:24.000 I'm chill.

00:35:25.000 You are.

00:35:26.000 But if you rub me wrong, you'll see me.

00:35:29.000 Right.

00:35:29.000 You'll see it.

00:35:30.000 And there are people that will rub you wrong even if you're nice.

00:35:34.000 Even if you're a nice person, there's people that are going to rub you wrong, unfortunately.

00:35:39.000 Like Cowboy.

00:35:40.000 I remember the first time I came into this industry, it's my first fight, I just beat Jacob Volkman.

00:35:46.000 Volkman was this killer on this role.

00:35:49.000 I just stopped him and I'm doing my first signing.

00:35:52.000 I'm in the UFC, I'm the new kid, I'm kind of like just figuring out what this is.

00:35:55.000 This is July, we're on the event that they have in Vegas.

00:35:59.000 The Fighter Expo, I want to say this, you know?

00:36:01.000 And so we're signing autographs, and I'm a cowboy fan.

00:36:05.000 He comes in, and he's a little tipsy, you know?

00:36:10.000 Drinking, wild boy.

00:36:11.000 Okay, cool.

00:36:12.000 And so I tell him I'm such a fan, blah, blah, blah.

00:36:15.000 And he tells me, Some shit like, oh, kick your ass.

00:36:18.000 He finds out I'm in his division, oh, I'll beat your ass.

00:36:21.000 I'm like, oh, he's aggressive, you know?

00:36:23.000 He thinks, and this industry is only two years long.

00:36:27.000 This industry is short.

00:36:28.000 There's so many people that we don't know are UFC fighters that actually came to the show.

00:36:32.000 They did one show and was out.

00:36:34.000 Maybe they did two fights and was out, you know?

00:36:36.000 It's so fast, this short life.

00:36:38.000 So I felt like he treated me like that.

00:36:40.000 Like, oh, you're not going to be around that long, you know?

00:36:43.000 And he said a lot of underhanded shit that I'm not going to say on this show.

00:36:46.000 He did a lot of funny shit that rubbed me wrong.

00:36:49.000 And I ain't never forgave him for that.

00:36:50.000 And people go, well, why you got a problem?

00:36:52.000 And I tell them behind closed doors, like, this is why I don't like you.

00:36:55.000 Oh, and they go, okay, I can see why.

00:36:57.000 And I want my revenge.

00:36:58.000 I want my revenge.

00:37:00.000 So Cowboy's on my shit list.

00:37:01.000 But I never get him.

00:37:03.000 He keeps getting away.

00:37:05.000 He keeps getting out of my fingers.

00:37:07.000 And he's going to retire, and I'm not going to get my revenge.

00:37:09.000 I've been waiting for this for years.

00:37:10.000 If I tell you the story, I'll tell you off the shit.

00:37:13.000 And it's sweet revenge that needs to happen.

00:37:16.000 I believe it's God's plan, and it's going to happen.

00:37:19.000 And I'm cool.

00:37:20.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:37:20.000 I just kept it quiet.

00:37:21.000 I'm like, I'm going to get you back.

00:37:23.000 I'm going to tell you the story.

00:37:25.000 And when you actually hear the story, it's so interesting.

00:37:27.000 So then, if peace is all together, I probably think I'm going to get him.

00:37:30.000 And then he slipped through my fingers.

00:37:32.000 So, Cowboy is one of the guys who won't get it.

00:37:36.000 He will get it.

00:37:37.000 And I'm not going to go attack the guy and do nothing crazy, but I'm going to get my revenge.

00:37:44.000 He's at least got to apologize.

00:37:45.000 That's it.

00:37:46.000 When I tell you, at least you got to say sorry.

00:37:48.000 And we can be cool.

00:37:49.000 I'm cool where we can just apologize and be bygones.

00:37:52.000 What your energy is, what my energy is.

00:37:54.000 If you bring aggression, I'll match it.

00:37:56.000 If you bring peace, I'll match it.

00:37:58.000 Whatever you want to bring, brother.

00:38:02.000 So, back to the old days.

00:38:04.000 A lot of these kids don't know.

00:38:05.000 They don't know, Joe.

00:38:06.000 They don't know what it was like for us.

00:38:08.000 Like, I hear Chael stories.

00:38:10.000 I listen to all of my OGs and...

00:38:12.000 Like, Chael's so mad sometimes when we get, like, about pay.

00:38:16.000 He's like, you know what?

00:38:17.000 I can't, I can't, I signed up to fight.

00:38:19.000 If you want to be a fighter, this is what it takes.

00:38:21.000 Fuck the price.

00:38:22.000 You sign the contract, this is what you get.

00:38:23.000 Don't complain about it because you signed the contract, you know?

00:38:26.000 And I get what he says.

00:38:27.000 I listen to the old guys, and I go, okay, I can understand.

00:38:29.000 They were fighting for 500 bucks, you know?

00:38:33.000 And we're complaining, but look what they went through, you know?

00:38:37.000 They went through the same things.

00:38:38.000 We're going through these growing periods, you know?

00:38:41.000 A lot of the older guys went to the Indian casino period.

00:38:44.000 I was there!

00:38:46.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:38:47.000 I was there!

00:38:48.000 I fought at all the casinos.

00:38:50.000 Those were the King of the Cage days.

00:38:53.000 King of the Cage.

00:38:53.000 I was the King of the Cage champ.

00:38:55.000 I had two belts for him.

00:38:57.000 That was a big deal.

00:38:58.000 There was an organization that was able to put on shows while there was a ban on MMA. Because they were able to do it in these Native American casinos.

00:39:07.000 All the stars came from...

00:39:08.000 There's so many stars came from King of the Cage.

00:39:09.000 Uriah Faber.

00:39:10.000 Rampage.

00:39:11.000 Joe Stevenson.

00:39:11.000 Yep, Rampage.

00:39:13.000 There's so many guys you can name.

00:39:15.000 You can name a thousand guys, brother, that came from King of the Cage.

00:39:15.000 Dwayne Ludwig.

00:39:18.000 It was like the...

00:39:22.000 Tour that the UFC pulled from, you know, one of the organizations that they pulled from.

00:39:26.000 And probably Pride, too, right?

00:39:28.000 Pride.

00:39:28.000 A lot of guys went over to Pride.

00:39:30.000 That was the days when Pride and the UFC were, like, kind of neck and neck for a while.

00:39:35.000 If you looked at the fights that Pride had, like, with Fedor versus Noguera, Fedor versus Krokop, I mean, they were some of the greatest MMA fights of all time.

00:39:46.000 And it was happening at the same era as the UFC, when the UFC was becoming popular.

00:39:51.000 Those were interesting times, man.

00:39:53.000 Really interesting times.

00:39:54.000 Fuck!

00:39:55.000 I'm telling you, I fought one time where I was in Mexico one day.

00:40:00.000 No, I was in California.

00:40:01.000 I fought a guy named...

00:40:07.000 He was one of Tito's guys.

00:40:10.000 My third fight, I'm fighting on Friday in LA. I have another fight already booked Saturday in Mexico.

00:40:17.000 I can't make the weigh-in because you know how you weigh in the day before.

00:40:21.000 So I'm literally fighting that day of the weigh-ins in Mexico.

00:40:24.000 Oh my god.

00:40:25.000 So the guy weighs in.

00:40:26.000 He doesn't even fucking make weight.

00:40:27.000 He's at 185 pounds.

00:40:29.000 Well, I'm fighting this guy at 55s.

00:40:30.000 Then I go to Mexico the next day to go fight him.

00:40:33.000 I find out he's at 185s.

00:40:35.000 I still fight him.

00:40:36.000 Fucking knock him out.

00:40:37.000 It's like, these were the days, guys.

00:40:39.000 Like, you guys got it so good.

00:40:41.000 They don't understand.

00:40:42.000 That's why I'm so thankful for what we got because I'm like the old guys.

00:40:46.000 We didn't have none of this, you know?

00:40:48.000 You fought two days in a row?

00:40:50.000 Two days in a row?

00:40:51.000 Three times in one night?

00:40:53.000 I've done it all, Joe!

00:40:55.000 Sometimes I want to really break this story down for you.

00:40:57.000 Oh my God.

00:40:58.000 And so I met the messaging coaches.

00:41:00.000 Is that the hardest?

00:41:01.000 The messaging coaches would let me do this.

00:41:03.000 They're like, okay, so every guy they're doing this with, they're all losers.

00:41:06.000 They all lose.

00:41:07.000 I'm the only guy that they can put a pit bull in there and he's bringing back the money.

00:41:11.000 They're like, oh shit, he won!

00:41:13.000 Normally, that guy gets knocked out because we're getting fed to the wolves, okay?

00:41:17.000 You're getting...

00:41:18.000 Everybody's already got their stars that they're running at these shows.

00:41:21.000 So he's the main headline, he's gonna be the ticket seller, and they're gonna find someone for him to bring in to slaughter.

00:41:27.000 That's the way the business runs.

00:41:29.000 So, I happen to be that guy, and I come out and steal the show.

00:41:33.000 How are they so bad at recognizing that you're good?

00:41:37.000 A lot of people...

00:41:38.000 They thought that you were that guy.

00:41:40.000 Because?

00:41:41.000 I'm this little street kid, and they think, oh, he don't know shit.

00:41:44.000 Oh.

00:41:44.000 This came later on.

00:41:45.000 Like, I even talked to Big John McCarthy.

00:41:47.000 My first, very first fight, I fought his kid.

00:41:49.000 Big John was telling him not to take the fight.

00:41:51.000 He's like, I heard about this kid, that he's got some wrestling, and he can fight.

00:41:56.000 He's like, we told him not to take the fight.

00:41:58.000 Our first fight, Neil Abrams.

00:42:00.000 If you can find this fight, it's fucking like, it's like Forrest Griffin and Stephen Bonner.

00:42:05.000 We just went toe-to-toe, cracking each other for three rounds straight.

00:42:11.000 So yeah, these are the beginning days.

00:42:14.000 I literally, so now I'm with the messaging coaches, right?

00:42:17.000 They're taking me from here to there.

00:42:19.000 I'm fighting like on a crazy regimen where I've gotten, I think I had like, one of these months I had like four or five fights in a month.

00:42:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:42:28.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:42:29.000 My regiment is crazy.

00:42:30.000 So I'm so used to that now.

00:42:32.000 I don't fight without some money.

00:42:33.000 I don't train.

00:42:34.000 I won't go in the gym unless there's some money.

00:42:36.000 If not, I'm at my warehouse job working six days a week.

00:42:38.000 And when they call me, oh, we got to fight?

00:42:40.000 Then I'll come in and train, you know?

00:42:41.000 And so I train a little bit.

00:42:43.000 I don't know shit about jujitsu.

00:42:44.000 I don't know shit about striking.

00:42:46.000 I'm a wrestler and I'm doing this.

00:42:49.000 What's up?

00:42:50.000 Thinking like, I want to get down so that they're like, oh, he can fight up here.

00:42:54.000 So they shoot in on me.

00:42:56.000 Now I know all about wrestling, so I just wrestle the guys, pick them up, slam them, get on top of them, pound them out.

00:43:02.000 I did that a couple times, made it work, you know?

00:43:05.000 I was making it work.

00:43:06.000 So now I'm getting ready to fight Dan Lazan's little brother.

00:43:10.000 No, Joe Lazan's little brother, Dan Lazan.

00:43:13.000 I get the call on 24 hours notice.

00:43:15.000 I'm at a warehouse.

00:43:16.000 They literally say, hey, we need you to leave, work.

00:43:19.000 You have 30 minutes to get here and be on weight.

00:43:22.000 I'm like, 30 minutes?

00:43:24.000 I go up to the camera at the warehouse, I go, fuck you!

00:43:27.000 I'm out of here!

00:43:28.000 I quit, you know?

00:43:30.000 And this is the point where I made the decision, I'm going to be a fighter from here on out.

00:43:33.000 They were like, we'll give you $3,000 to show, $3,000 to win, or something like that.

00:43:37.000 No, I think it was $6,000.

00:43:38.000 It was the biggest paycheck I had at the time.

00:43:40.000 So I'm like, $6,000?

00:43:42.000 I'm working this warehouse job for these pennies?

00:43:44.000 I'm out of here.

00:43:45.000 I go get on treadmill, cut all the way down.

00:43:49.000 And I'm fighting Dan LaZone the next day.

00:43:51.000 So, this is the issue with me.

00:43:52.000 The issue with me is I smoke weed.

00:43:55.000 And especially at this time, weed is really bad.

00:43:57.000 Where, in fighting, like, Nate got, uh, Nick got suspended for five years.

00:44:02.000 Took a lot of his career away.

00:44:04.000 I was one of them sacrificial lambs, too.

00:44:06.000 Where I got suspended a year, six months, a year and a half.

00:44:10.000 I kept getting caught up.

00:44:12.000 Because there are often these short-notice fights, and weed doesn't get off your system for 30 days.

00:44:16.000 So you're going to piss dirty.

00:44:18.000 This is what it is.

00:44:19.000 So I got the offer on the fight on 24 hours notice.

00:44:22.000 I'm fucking dirty.

00:44:23.000 I'm nervous as shit.

00:44:24.000 It's affliction.

00:44:25.000 The big affliction show is my biggest show.

00:44:27.000 And I'm going, what am I going to do?

00:44:29.000 I'm so scared.

00:44:30.000 My coach at the time, he's like, well, let's go get high.

00:44:33.000 I'm like, what?

00:44:34.000 He's like, yeah.

00:44:35.000 So we go in the car.

00:44:36.000 We smoke this weed.

00:44:37.000 And it's the most dynamic weed I ever had at the time.

00:44:40.000 I'm high on my fucking mind right before the fight.

00:44:44.000 I'm fighting Dolezal.

00:44:49.000 I have one of the craziest interests ever.

00:44:51.000 I literally started all this show shit.

00:44:54.000 I used to bring the show before the fight.

00:44:56.000 I break out the crowd.

00:44:57.000 I'm running up the crowd.

00:44:58.000 I run up the stairs.

00:44:59.000 I get them all up.

00:45:00.000 They don't even know who I am.

00:45:00.000 Let's go.

00:45:02.000 I click the fight on 24 hours notice.

00:45:03.000 I'm not even going to...

00:45:05.000 Name on the card or none of the posters or any promotion.

00:45:08.000 I'm getting them riled up.

00:45:10.000 I run down these stairs and I run up the next stairs on the other side of the stadium.

00:45:15.000 We're at the Anaheim Pond.

00:45:15.000 Get up!

00:45:17.000 Let's go!

00:45:17.000 Get up!

00:45:18.000 Slapping hands and stuff.

00:45:19.000 I'm running back down and the camera crew stops me.

00:45:22.000 They go, hey!

00:45:23.000 Stop, stop, stop!

00:45:24.000 We're not recording.

00:45:25.000 Oh no.

00:45:26.000 I'm like, what?

00:45:27.000 All out of breath.

00:45:29.000 What?

00:45:30.000 Like, that was awesome.

00:45:31.000 What?

00:45:32.000 What do you mean?

00:45:32.000 They take me back behind the curtains and they want me to do it again.

00:45:35.000 No.

00:45:36.000 I'm like, you can't do it again.

00:45:36.000 Yeah.

00:45:37.000 It's not the fucking same.

00:45:39.000 Oh no.

00:45:40.000 It's not the same.

00:45:41.000 It's not going to be like it's supposed to.

00:45:42.000 So I just come out, do the whatever.

00:45:44.000 So now I'm fighting Dan.

00:45:45.000 Me and Dan are fighting and Dan doesn't know me.

00:45:48.000 And I can tell Dan's got this...

00:45:52.000 This fear about me.

00:45:53.000 You know, I'm sorry to say it.

00:45:54.000 I don't want to talk about race like that, but there's some gentlemen, white guys, that...

00:45:59.000 They don't understand us black guys exactly, you know?

00:46:01.000 And I've been in all cultures, like my dad's white, so I've been in every culture.

00:46:04.000 I know what white guys think, I know what messing guys think, I know what black guys think, you know?

00:46:09.000 Because I've been in the cultures.

00:46:11.000 So I can see it on his face, you know?

00:46:13.000 He's like, fuck, I gotta fight this nigga.

00:46:16.000 So I'm bringing all the nigga shit to him.

00:46:19.000 They ask me what my style is, I tell them hood.

00:46:21.000 They're like, well what is that, you know?

00:46:24.000 So I wanted to throw him off purposely.

00:46:27.000 I don't want you to know I'm a boxer.

00:46:29.000 Because if I'm a boxer, then you're going to take me down and do jiu-jitsu.

00:46:32.000 If I say jiu-jitsu, you're going to stand up with me.

00:46:35.000 So, I'm just going to say hood.

00:46:37.000 It's street fighting.

00:46:39.000 They don't know what it is.

00:46:39.000 Let them figure it out.

00:46:41.000 We fight Dan.

00:46:42.000 We're fighting.

00:46:43.000 I'm beating him up.

00:46:44.000 And then I give him a low blow.

00:46:46.000 He takes the full five minutes.

00:46:48.000 Full five minutes.

00:46:49.000 Okay, cool.

00:46:50.000 But I'm high as shit that we took three.

00:46:52.000 It was three low blows.

00:46:54.000 One of them, I'll give him one.

00:46:54.000 The other two, fake as fuck because Dan doesn't want to fight.

00:46:59.000 So Tito's the announcer.

00:47:00.000 Tito's like, this guy is fucking, he's fucking acting like a motherfucker.

00:47:03.000 Like literally one of them, my toe touches his hip.

00:47:07.000 Literally his hip.

00:47:08.000 And he falls down.

00:47:09.000 So we took him 15 minutes in the first round.

00:47:12.000 It's been 15 minutes.

00:47:13.000 He takes a whole break.

00:47:14.000 I have no idea where time is.

00:47:16.000 I'm high as shit.

00:47:16.000 I'm talking to Donald Trump before he's president.

00:47:18.000 I'm talking to Oscar De La Hoya.

00:47:20.000 I'm like, what's up, guys?

00:47:21.000 I'm just high as shit.

00:47:22.000 In the middle of the fight.

00:47:23.000 In the middle of the fight.

00:47:26.000 Last fucking 10 seconds, he catches me in a choke.

00:47:30.000 Just being a rear naked.

00:47:31.000 Had I known where time was, I would have fucking pushed it through.

00:47:35.000 But if you don't tap in an MMA, you don't make money.

00:47:40.000 If you go out and go to sleep, you got a six-month suspension.

00:47:43.000 Really?

00:47:44.000 Yes.

00:47:44.000 That's the way it goes, and people don't understand that.

00:47:46.000 They're always like, go to sleep.

00:47:47.000 Why you didn't go to sleep?

00:47:48.000 You didn't be tough.

00:47:49.000 Like, no, I'm going to fight tomorrow.

00:47:52.000 I got another fight the next week.

00:47:53.000 I can't just let it go.

00:47:56.000 I want to be the tough guy and go out and fight it all the way out.

00:47:58.000 But if you do, you don't make no more money, and I got bills to do.

00:48:02.000 That's interesting.

00:48:03.000 Yeah.

00:48:04.000 People don't understand that.

00:48:05.000 Go to sleep.

00:48:06.000 So when people tap, in a way, if you want to fight...

00:48:10.000 So if you tap, there's no suspension, right?

00:48:14.000 They give you a seven day.

00:48:15.000 Seven day.

00:48:16.000 Yeah.

00:48:17.000 If you're fine, the doctor checks you out, seven days, you're cool.

00:48:19.000 You can go right back to work.

00:48:20.000 And I'm telling you, even though I got suspended when I actually got popped for weed, I had to fight under a whole new name to make money.

00:48:29.000 I can't be suspended.

00:48:30.000 That's a really good point about tapping out that I never really considered.

00:48:34.000 I didn't really consider that.

00:48:36.000 But that would encourage people to tap out.

00:48:39.000 Because there's some guys that probably wouldn't.

00:48:41.000 You gotta flip the top of it.

00:48:42.000 Oh, okay.

00:48:43.000 Look at this.

00:48:44.000 You gotta give me one of these, Joe.

00:48:45.000 These are fucking awesome.

00:48:46.000 You can have that one.

00:48:47.000 Hell yeah.

00:48:47.000 You can have it.

00:48:48.000 It's a cigar.

00:48:50.000 The back part cuts cigars.

00:48:52.000 By the way, I just gotta fucking say this real fast.

00:48:55.000 This is on my fucking bucket list, and thank you for having me, sir.

00:48:58.000 It's an honor, it's a blessing to be in your presence.

00:49:02.000 I've seen you from the beginning, fucking Joe.

00:49:04.000 I've seen you from the beginning.

00:49:06.000 I've seen you too, man.

00:49:07.000 You're a cool guy, Bobby.

00:49:08.000 To come to where you are now, that's fucking amazing, brother.

00:49:10.000 Who would have fucking known you'd be here?

00:49:12.000 Did you think you'd predict this?

00:49:14.000 No, no.

00:49:14.000 You know?

00:49:15.000 No, no one can.

00:49:16.000 And to be honest, you...

00:49:20.000 You don't even realize so many things that you're doing, that you're touching and doing.

00:49:25.000 For instance, I was talking to Schwab.

00:49:27.000 I'm like, you took Joe's blueprint.

00:49:31.000 He took your blueprint.

00:49:33.000 He's running your blueprint.

00:49:35.000 Without being the fighter, but he's running your blueprint where, okay, fighting went out the door, what's next for us?

00:49:40.000 What are we going to do next?

00:49:41.000 Joe took your blueprint, I mean, show up, and he's running it.

00:49:44.000 He's doing a great job with his shows and stuff, you know?

00:49:46.000 Well, I think everybody is just doing the same thing.

00:49:49.000 That's all it is.

00:49:50.000 We're all just, you know, having fun, having conversations, fucking around.

00:49:55.000 But who was doing it at Schwab's time?

00:49:58.000 What UFC fighters were going?

00:50:00.000 They were either working for the company or they're unheard of.

00:50:02.000 But Schwab was funny.

00:50:03.000 That was the thing.

00:50:04.000 He was always funny.

00:50:05.000 He was always a fun dude to hang out with.

00:50:07.000 He's silly.

00:50:08.000 He's a big, giant, silly dude.

00:50:10.000 You know, he's a good guy.

00:50:12.000 Good dude.

00:50:12.000 And when I would have him on podcasts, he was so fun to hang with.

00:50:16.000 And I was like, listen, man, you don't have to fight anymore.

00:50:19.000 You can make a living doing this.

00:50:21.000 I'm talking to him about a show right now I want to deal with him.

00:50:24.000 And I want to do some shit called The Sit Down.

00:50:26.000 The Sit Down?

00:50:27.000 I want to take fighters who've had beefs.

00:50:29.000 You know, we take the world's, the best beefs and see if we can get the two fighters in the same room.

00:50:36.000 You know?

00:50:37.000 Sit them down and let them, and let's speak.

00:50:39.000 Let's see if we can call a peace treaty and we can get these two men to say, I felt like you were doing this and you said this and this is why I said this.

00:50:46.000 Oh, we're cool.

00:50:47.000 I can understand where you came from.

00:50:49.000 Good, you know?

00:50:49.000 Right, right, right.

00:50:50.000 Do some shit like that and we go over the craziest beasts and stuff over time, you know?

00:50:55.000 It's my little show.

00:50:57.000 That's not a bad idea.

00:50:59.000 And...

00:51:01.000 Like, imagine if we got Nate and Conor in the room.

00:51:05.000 Jesus Christ.

00:51:06.000 You know?

00:51:07.000 That's right.

00:51:07.000 You know?

00:51:08.000 Right, right.

00:51:09.000 Nate's like my cousin, so I think I can get Nate to do it, but Conor, I don't know about that far.

00:51:13.000 Do you think Triple G and Canelo could...

00:51:18.000 Do you think they could...

00:51:19.000 How well do they both speak English?

00:51:21.000 Could they have, like, a conversation where they were talking shit about each other?

00:51:25.000 I don't know, you gotta be careful what you say about Canelo.

00:51:27.000 You've seen what happened when you say motherfucker around him.

00:51:30.000 He took it like you fucked my mother, you know?

00:51:33.000 I think he was just looking for a reason to be.

00:51:35.000 No, bro, and some of my Mexican homies told me that.

00:51:38.000 But he's called people motherfucker too.

00:51:40.000 Some people take it like a lot of, what do you call it, like paisa Mexicans and stuff.

00:51:44.000 Oh, I see.

00:51:44.000 They take it that way, like, oh, we say motherfucker, you mean like fuck my mother.

00:51:47.000 Oh, I see, I see.

00:51:49.000 He took it like that, oh, don't you say about my mom?

00:51:50.000 And he just flipped.

00:51:53.000 It's really saying, are you okay, you fucker?

00:51:56.000 To us, in our communication.

00:51:59.000 Does Canelo speak English very well?

00:52:02.000 You tell me, sir.

00:52:03.000 I don't follow much on that end.

00:52:07.000 We're in our realm.

00:52:08.000 I got enough going on in our UFC thing.

00:52:10.000 We're still trying to build this up.

00:52:11.000 They're getting millions of dollars.

00:52:13.000 We're still working on that.

00:52:14.000 Fuck those guys.

00:52:15.000 Fuck those guys.

00:52:16.000 How dare you?

00:52:17.000 I'm sorry.

00:52:18.000 It's MMA. It's MMA versus boxing.

00:52:20.000 I'm sorry.

00:52:20.000 Is it?

00:52:21.000 Because they've been shitting on us for years and disrespecting us.

00:52:24.000 And we win all the time.

00:52:26.000 But boxing is a necessary art.

00:52:29.000 I agree.

00:52:29.000 I love it.

00:52:30.000 To see it at the highest level, like as a person who likes striking.

00:52:34.000 My favorite sport is boxing.

00:52:35.000 For hands, it's like those guys are on such a different level.

00:52:39.000 It's when you add all the other stuff like kicking and takedowns.

00:52:44.000 You're never going to get someone who's as pure a boxer.

00:52:49.000 They're going to be athletic, they're going to be powerful, but to be able to compete with a guy like Mayweather who's just so tuned into it.

00:52:56.000 They call me the Mayweather of MMA, that we have similar styles.

00:53:00.000 You have a very unusual style, Bobby.

00:53:02.000 I really like the way you fight because your shit comes out of nowhere.

00:53:05.000 Your hands are down a lot and you're super accurate.

00:53:08.000 And it's a hard style to gauge because a lot of guys are looking for things that are coming from a high guard.

00:53:16.000 I mean, it's a good defensive place to be.

00:53:19.000 But you've been able to pull it off with movement and And just great timing.

00:53:24.000 But that style that you have, it's really interesting because...

00:53:28.000 Fighting is an art.

00:53:29.000 It is an art, man.

00:53:30.000 I wanted you to see it.

00:53:31.000 I call my style poetry in motion.

00:53:33.000 I want you to see it and check this poetry that I'm going to do for you.

00:53:37.000 You go to a poetry slam and they did a little snaps and stuff.

00:53:41.000 I'm going to do for y'all.

00:53:41.000 Watch this show.

00:53:43.000 And I'm in here to the point where I'm in the fight, but I'm in the crowd watching it from here and trying to give you what it is from the outside you want to see.

00:53:51.000 Right.

00:53:52.000 Yeah, so style is big for me.

00:53:54.000 Style is so big.

00:53:55.000 So you're an entertainer as well as a fighter.

00:54:00.000 You're entertaining with your style.

00:54:02.000 What product are we selling?

00:54:02.000 I tell all my young fighters, what product are you selling?

00:54:05.000 We're all selling a product.

00:54:07.000 We're selling podcasts.

00:54:08.000 And no one's doing it like you.

00:54:09.000 That's why you're the number one.

00:54:12.000 What product are you selling?

00:54:13.000 What makes you different from the next guy?

00:54:15.000 What makes your podcast different?

00:54:17.000 What makes your fighting style different?

00:54:19.000 So I took all the things that people were saying you can't do.

00:54:22.000 You can't put your hands down.

00:54:23.000 You know?

00:54:24.000 I broke all the rules.

00:54:25.000 And as long as you know the rule sets and you know what comes with that, then you can take those risks.

00:54:31.000 Do you remember watching Vitaly Klitschko fight?

00:54:33.000 You ever watch him fight?

00:54:34.000 Klitschko?

00:54:35.000 I get them confused.

00:54:37.000 I don't know which one is which.

00:54:38.000 I know they're both really good with that jab, though.

00:54:40.000 Yeah, both really good with the jab.

00:54:42.000 Vladimir had a more traditional style.

00:54:43.000 Vitaly would keep his hands down a lot.

00:54:46.000 He fought a very awkward style, but he had big power.

00:54:50.000 You know who I got it from?

00:54:51.000 I got the hands down from?

00:54:52.000 Who?

00:54:54.000 I take little pieces and stuff like, so I got the shoulder roll from Floyd Mayweather.

00:54:59.000 I took the hands down from Sergio Martinez.

00:55:02.000 I don't know if you know who that is.

00:55:03.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

00:55:04.000 Hands down, you know?

00:55:05.000 Oh yeah, Sergio Martinez.

00:55:07.000 He stood out to me.

00:55:08.000 Right away, I'm like, he just stood out to me.

00:55:11.000 I gravitated toward his style.

00:55:12.000 I'm like, that's it right there.

00:55:14.000 Didn't he had like a knee injury that eventually kind of fucked him up, right?

00:55:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:19.000 He was a soccer player.

00:55:21.000 Yeah.

00:55:22.000 Well, those guys can fucking move, man.

00:55:24.000 So was Aldo.

00:55:25.000 Yes.

00:55:26.000 When you play that, man, that's just a sprinting game.

00:55:30.000 You're just sprinting over there and sprinting over there.

00:55:33.000 Aldo's kick was so fast.

00:55:35.000 You couldn't even stop it so fast.

00:55:36.000 It's like a jab.

00:55:37.000 Dude, Uriah Favors is one of the toughest fucking human beings that's ever lived.

00:55:41.000 I've been through that.

00:55:42.000 I know what you're talking about.

00:55:43.000 I've been through that.

00:55:44.000 I didn't understand it until I've been through it.

00:55:47.000 I fought Barbosa.

00:55:48.000 Oh, that's right.

00:55:49.000 He kicked the muscle off of my leg.

00:55:53.000 It literally detached and rolled up, and I didn't know it.

00:55:57.000 I couldn't walk for like a week or two, and I was just smoking, getting high, and then finally it just went away, and I was like, all right, cool, let's get the next fight going.

00:56:04.000 And so I was getting ready to fight somebody, and I think, no, it was an owl.

00:56:10.000 So I'm getting ready to fight somebody, and I'm like, Coach, there's a hole in my leg, you know?

00:56:16.000 And he's like, maybe we should get you—let's just go look at it, you know?

00:56:19.000 They go, you need emergency surgery right now.

00:56:21.000 Like, there are things—it's going to—they stuck like that, so they had to literally go and reattach it back down.

00:56:27.000 Kicked it off.

00:56:28.000 Luckily, you got it fixed.

00:56:30.000 Because sometimes people have those big-time hamstring pulls, like rips.

00:56:36.000 I know a dude who had a really badly damaged hamstring, and he didn't get it fixed, and his leg was never the same again.

00:56:43.000 He could have gotten it fixed right afterwards.

00:56:46.000 He could have got it reattached, but he didn't.

00:56:48.000 He just tried to tough it out, or maybe he just thought the surgery wasn't necessary or something like that, but it always fucked with him.

00:56:55.000 So I'm trying to explain to people like the early days where you could just go to a gym and find an image.

00:57:02.000 It wasn't like that.

00:57:03.000 You find a jujitsu gym here, you find this boxing gym, you find these wrestlers over here and you have to piece things together.

00:57:09.000 You just didn't go to a gym and find everything, you know?

00:57:12.000 And the coaches, the coaches were weird and strange, and you had to go and find out, oh, he's just a car salesman.

00:57:17.000 I had to tell that to some of my fighters.

00:57:19.000 They're a car salesman.

00:57:20.000 They're going to tell you, oh, you look good.

00:57:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:23.000 They're just fucking selling you a car, you know?

00:57:25.000 They're not actually helping you.

00:57:27.000 Right, right.

00:57:28.000 You want a teacher.

00:57:30.000 Now, after the Dan Lazon fight, I got choked out.

00:57:34.000 And I'm now going, I don't know if this coach has got the best...

00:57:39.000 Well, if you get me high before a fight, you're probably not going to be the best for me, you know?

00:57:43.000 You probably don't got the best, you know?

00:57:45.000 If you're going to get me high before a fight...

00:57:46.000 As a general rule.

00:57:47.000 As a general rule.

00:57:48.000 That was it for me.

00:57:49.000 I was like, all right.

00:57:50.000 So then I left, and that's where I met my dad.

00:57:53.000 And I talk in his gym.

00:57:56.000 I'm going and doing jujitsu.

00:57:59.000 And from the one class, he called me after.

00:58:02.000 He called me, and he's like, what are you taking?

00:58:04.000 I'm like, what do you mean?

00:58:05.000 He's like, well, like...

00:58:07.000 Your supplements.

00:58:09.000 What is supplements?

00:58:10.000 I don't even know what it was.

00:58:11.000 It's like, you know, BCAs and stuff like that.

00:58:13.000 He brought me a whole care package.

00:58:14.000 And I started seeing this coach had a different love.

00:58:17.000 He actually cared for the fighter.

00:58:19.000 He actually was making sure your health and what are you doing?

00:58:22.000 Like my dad's always told me, it's not what you do in the case, it's what you do out.

00:58:25.000 You know?

00:58:26.000 He's like, you're so talented, you do this stuff in the cage, but I'm worried about what you're doing in the streets.

00:58:31.000 If you're going to get locked up, if you're going to get all these different situations, you know?

00:58:36.000 Yeah.

00:58:36.000 So I'm trying to walk you down this pathway of me going from coach and figuring out how to do this fighting thing.

00:58:43.000 It was hard at first.

00:58:44.000 It was rough, you know?

00:58:45.000 And so when I meet my dad, we finally started getting some stability.

00:58:53.000 But I'm still a knucklehead.

00:58:54.000 I've been with that old coach.

00:58:55.000 He'd have to come literally find me.

00:58:57.000 I'd be at this girl's house or this girl's house, and he'd go find...

00:59:00.000 Like, I had this saying, my mama couldn't find me if she wanted to.

00:59:04.000 My mom couldn't find me if she wanted to.

00:59:06.000 Nobody could find me.

00:59:06.000 Because why?

00:59:07.000 I'm a foster kid, and I got eight families.

00:59:09.000 I got three Mexican families.

00:59:11.000 I got two white families.

00:59:12.000 I got two black families over here.

00:59:14.000 So I'll just be staying at their house one day, and I'll stay at this over here.

00:59:17.000 I'll come over here and fuck with them.

00:59:18.000 And so I'm everywhere, and you can never find me.

00:59:20.000 But he knew the places.

00:59:22.000 So he'd go by.

00:59:23.000 And next you know, knocking on the window, and I'd be in bed with some girl, like, fuck!

00:59:27.000 He's hitting me for practice, tell him I'm not here!

00:59:29.000 Come in the room, come on, let's go to practice.

00:59:31.000 And he just forced me to jiu-jitsu, forced me to jiu-jitsu.

00:59:34.000 And I became pretty good, and I started liking it a little bit.

00:59:37.000 I hate jiu-jitsu, but I like it a little bit.

00:59:39.000 And so, from there, I built this bond with this dude.

00:59:42.000 I'm 21 years old.

00:59:43.000 He's teaching me about how to raise a kid and all this different life.

00:59:47.000 And now, I got this, like, father figure.

00:59:49.000 Your coach is supposed to help you not only with in the cage stuff, but outside the stuff.

00:59:55.000 Like, when I tell my fighters now, first thing I do, I meet a new guy, I make him spar right away.

01:00:01.000 Right away, I put him in the heat of battle, in the most heat he could possibly stand.

01:00:06.000 Why?

01:00:07.000 Because I want to know about his personality.

01:00:08.000 In fighting, you get to learn about people's personalities.

01:00:11.000 They tell you who they are.

01:00:12.000 They either give up, they're going to quit, they're going to rise to the occasion, they're going to fight back.

01:00:18.000 I need to learn about your personality.

01:00:19.000 And then that tells me about everything.

01:00:21.000 So I got certain guys, they'll get hit and they'll go and start going hard with another guy.

01:00:26.000 I'm like, what's going on?

01:00:28.000 Oh, he hit me!

01:00:30.000 And it's a communication barrier.

01:00:32.000 Oh, he's been through some things.

01:00:34.000 Something that's deep dark in his past that he's dealing with that he's bringing into MMA. It's, oh, you were trying to...

01:00:42.000 And when we actually break it down, he felt like you were trying to hurt me.

01:00:46.000 And it's a mechanism he's using to...

01:00:49.000 Combat that he's been doing all his life.

01:00:51.000 So fighting shows personalities, you know?

01:00:54.000 So I'm meeting with my dad.

01:00:56.000 He's getting me through all these different mentals and stuff.

01:00:58.000 We're starting to get all this momentum.

01:01:00.000 We're getting this gym.

01:01:01.000 We're building up.

01:01:02.000 We're getting all these new fighters.

01:01:03.000 I'm getting on this roll.

01:01:04.000 And then he gets locked up.

01:01:07.000 He goes to prison.

01:01:08.000 My dad never had any offenses, never did anything, never been in any jail time.

01:01:14.000 We were selling a car.

01:01:16.000 No, we were buying a car.

01:01:19.000 We're buying this car.

01:01:20.000 He's like, hey, I want to buy this Mercedes.

01:01:22.000 Can you drive the truck down and you'll drive the truck back and I'll drive the Mercedes.

01:01:26.000 I'm like, cool.

01:01:26.000 He's like, oh, it's in San Diego.

01:01:27.000 Okay, cool.

01:01:28.000 So we go down there.

01:01:29.000 We meet this guy.

01:01:31.000 No, no, we meet this girl.

01:01:32.000 She doesn't even speak English.

01:01:33.000 So he gives her the ID. He gives her a cashier's check.

01:01:38.000 And he goes to test drive the car.

01:01:40.000 While he's going to get in the car, the woman takes off.

01:01:42.000 She takes off.

01:01:43.000 And while he gets in the car, he notices the mileage is not the same.

01:01:47.000 So if we're buying a car and it's 10,000 more mileage, that changes the price on things now.

01:01:52.000 So he goes, the girl's gone.

01:01:55.000 What the fuck, you know?

01:01:56.000 So he's going through the paperwork.

01:01:58.000 He finds the owner, calls the owner.

01:02:00.000 Some guy comes.

01:02:01.000 We explain it to him.

01:02:01.000 We talk to him.

01:02:02.000 He said, we're going to fix it.

01:02:04.000 We go back home.

01:02:05.000 Maybe three, four weeks go by.

01:02:07.000 The guy's not answering.

01:02:08.000 Doesn't want to get my dad back his money.

01:02:10.000 We gave him back the car.

01:02:11.000 He's kept the car and the money.

01:02:13.000 So, next you know, my dad's like, fuck, like, he's ignoring me, blah, blah, blah.

01:02:16.000 We need to go down and we need to go over here and talk to him.

01:02:21.000 So I'm like, I can tell where this is going.

01:02:24.000 I'm like, alright dad, we're going to go down and we're going to talk to him.

01:02:26.000 We need to be cool tongues.

01:02:28.000 We need to talk with no heat in our tongues.

01:02:30.000 He goes, why?

01:02:31.000 He's already got the car.

01:02:32.000 He's already got the money.

01:02:33.000 You're pretty much fucked because you give him a cashier's check.

01:02:36.000 It's just like cash.

01:02:38.000 You can't get it back.

01:02:39.000 We're already fucked so let's just try to be cool.

01:02:42.000 So, I don't know why I think God made this all happen for some reason.

01:02:46.000 So, we go down to this guy's house.

01:02:48.000 It's me, my dad, and a Mexican guy.

01:02:52.000 And we're driving up there by the coincidence, like he's in this gated community.

01:02:56.000 And so, by coincidence, somebody else is driving in, the gate opens, we drive right behind them.

01:03:02.000 Go in, you know?

01:03:03.000 We find his house, we pull it to the house, we look in the house, we look right here.

01:03:06.000 But he has another gate and cameras and stuff to actually go to his house.

01:03:10.000 So we're like, if we ring the doorbell and tell him to come, he's going to see us, and he's not going to come, he's not going to answer it, he's not going to give us our money, he's going to ignore us.

01:03:17.000 So, by coincidence, the pizza man comes up.

01:03:21.000 You know?

01:03:22.000 Just have to be pulling up.

01:03:23.000 So we walk up right at the same time the pizza man's coming.

01:03:27.000 Now, I told my dad, have a cool tongue.

01:03:31.000 Be cool about it.

01:03:32.000 But he's been already feeling like this guy's ignoring me.

01:03:36.000 He already knows.

01:03:38.000 His feeling's up.

01:03:39.000 It's a scheme.

01:03:40.000 This guy's playing me on my money.

01:03:41.000 Somehow they're running some scheme where they sell cars and they do this little weird thing.

01:03:45.000 And so we go in.

01:03:49.000 We're talking to the people.

01:03:52.000 We're trying to talk it out.

01:03:53.000 All of a sudden, the guy's saying, oh, I don't got the money.

01:03:56.000 He don't know anything.

01:03:56.000 I don't know.

01:03:57.000 They're yelling back and forth.

01:03:59.000 My dad and this guy are yelling back and forth.

01:04:00.000 Now I see a situation that's loud.

01:04:03.000 We're in this white area.

01:04:06.000 I don't already know what's going on.

01:04:08.000 So I'm like, hey, calm it down, you know.

01:04:08.000 Police are going to get caught.

01:04:10.000 Let you know, my dad headbusts the guy.

01:04:13.000 Now it's went, and it's getting real serious.

01:04:15.000 I'm like, fuck.

01:04:17.000 Holy fuck.

01:04:18.000 I'm trying to comment.

01:04:19.000 Diffuse the situation.

01:04:21.000 Diffuse it, you know?

01:04:22.000 Hey, look, we know you got the money.

01:04:24.000 We gave you the money.

01:04:24.000 Just give him his money.

01:04:26.000 You got the car.

01:04:26.000 Let's just go our way, guys.

01:04:27.000 You know, let's just cool it down.

01:04:29.000 So he's like, all right, I got the money.

01:04:31.000 It's in the house.

01:04:32.000 Before he didn't have the money.

01:04:33.000 It's in the house.

01:04:33.000 Now he's got the money.

01:04:34.000 But we don't want to go in the house.

01:04:36.000 We're like, we're going in the house.

01:04:40.000 It can be sticky.

01:04:42.000 But we don't go in the house.

01:04:43.000 He's going to lock the door.

01:04:44.000 And we're stuck outside.

01:04:45.000 And we don't get the money.

01:04:46.000 And you can call the police.

01:04:48.000 So we're in this weird position.

01:04:50.000 Where do you go?

01:04:50.000 You go left or you go right?

01:04:52.000 We're going to go in.

01:04:52.000 All right, fuck it.

01:04:53.000 Just don't touch anything.

01:04:54.000 Let's just get the money.

01:04:55.000 We're going to go in and go out.

01:04:56.000 All right, so we go in.

01:04:58.000 I forgot to mention, there was a kid there.

01:05:00.000 When my dad headbutted the kid, the kid was there.

01:05:03.000 He started crying.

01:05:04.000 So, the kid doesn't know.

01:05:06.000 He wasn't there at the time, but he just hears a yelling.

01:05:09.000 All he knows is his dad went outside for pizza, and now he hears a yelling about some money.

01:05:09.000 So, he comes out.

01:05:14.000 So, the kid goes, I'll give you the money.

01:05:15.000 I'll give you the money.

01:05:16.000 We're like, what?

01:05:17.000 Like, he thinks it's about this, so we all want to go inside.

01:05:20.000 In a diffuse situation, we go inside.

01:05:22.000 They go inside.

01:05:23.000 We get the money, basically.

01:05:25.000 There's a lot of other stuff that happens in the house.

01:05:27.000 A lot of crazy stuff.

01:05:28.000 Basically, we find out he's running a scheme.

01:05:29.000 He has my dad's ID. He's looking us up.

01:05:31.000 He finds out that, like, when we walked right in the house, he closed the laptop.

01:05:35.000 And my dad was the only person that caught it.

01:05:38.000 I'm like, what?

01:05:38.000 He's like, what were you doing?

01:05:40.000 And I started arguing about that.

01:05:41.000 And I'm trying to defuse him again.

01:05:43.000 Guys, like, let's just get the money.

01:05:44.000 But when he opened up the laptop, he had my dad's photocopy of his ID. He was looking up his address, looking up his gym, and all this different stuff, right?

01:05:52.000 I'm going to tie you into it later on, why this is important.

01:05:55.000 And so...

01:05:57.000 They're arguing about that.

01:05:58.000 I defuse them.

01:05:59.000 My dad goes and talks to the kid.

01:06:00.000 He calms the kid down.

01:06:01.000 Listen, this is what happened.

01:06:03.000 It's okay.

01:06:04.000 So I'm over there with the other guy.

01:06:05.000 I'm talking to him.

01:06:06.000 George, let's just get the money.

01:06:07.000 Let's get this done.

01:06:09.000 We can get it back our way.

01:06:10.000 We get the money.

01:06:11.000 We leave.

01:06:14.000 My dad's going to go to Atlanta and open a gym.

01:06:16.000 This is like now a month or two later.

01:06:19.000 He goes to Atlanta.

01:06:21.000 Somewhere, they stop him.

01:06:23.000 A whole bunch of security.

01:06:25.000 I mean, not security.

01:06:26.000 Cops.

01:06:27.000 Helicopters.

01:06:27.000 He's looking and he's seeing them come.

01:06:29.000 He's like, whoever they're finna go at, they're in trouble.

01:06:32.000 You know?

01:06:33.000 But he doesn't know that old boy went to the cops about this.

01:06:35.000 We got our money.

01:06:36.000 We shook hands.

01:06:37.000 We thinking it's okay.

01:06:38.000 Everybody's cool.

01:06:39.000 We're all cool.

01:06:40.000 We're like, man, we see that you're running some scheme.

01:06:43.000 You can do it as somebody else.

01:06:44.000 Don't play us.

01:06:45.000 Cool, but just go away, buddy.

01:06:47.000 We shake your hands.

01:06:47.000 We go away.

01:06:48.000 Two months later, he gets arrested now.

01:06:50.000 So he's arrested in Atlanta.

01:06:52.000 He deals with all this.

01:06:53.000 They're trying to give him 157 years or something like that.

01:06:57.000 What?

01:06:57.000 Yeah.

01:06:58.000 Kidnapping.

01:06:59.000 So we find out the laws.

01:07:00.000 Kidnapping is if you make somebody move within 15 feet in fear.

01:07:05.000 Not even within their own will.

01:07:07.000 Like if I yell at you right now, Joe, fuck you, what's up?

01:07:09.000 I was like, get the fuck out of here.

01:07:10.000 And I made you go from here 15 feet within your own, that's kidnapping.

01:07:15.000 Yeah.

01:07:15.000 What?

01:07:16.000 So they hit him with a kidnapping charge, assault charge, burglary, robbery.

01:07:21.000 They're stacking the charges up, you know?

01:07:24.000 Is that true everywhere?

01:07:26.000 15 feet is kidnapping?

01:07:27.000 Is that like a national thing?

01:07:29.000 You tell me, brother.

01:07:30.000 What can I find out?

01:07:32.000 We got Jamie.

01:07:33.000 We got Jamie.

01:07:33.000 We got the man Jamie over there.

01:07:35.000 I just found out with Jamie's face to the name.

01:07:38.000 Yeah, you just pulled up Jamie.

01:07:40.000 He's the fucking man.

01:07:41.000 So, we're doing that shit.

01:07:46.000 I'm now...

01:07:47.000 But that sounds crazy.

01:07:48.000 They lock him up.

01:07:48.000 I'm going, oh, fuck.

01:07:50.000 They locked him up.

01:07:51.000 I get scared of shit.

01:07:52.000 I know what's up.

01:07:54.000 You're guilty by association.

01:07:56.000 I didn't hit that man.

01:07:57.000 I didn't want no situation.

01:07:59.000 I don't want nothing to do with this.

01:08:00.000 I came to defuse the situation.

01:08:02.000 And now, I'm looked at him as an accomplice.

01:08:05.000 Ugh.

01:08:05.000 You know?

01:08:07.000 To 157 years, I go in hiding.

01:08:10.000 And like I said to you earlier, can't nobody find me, not even my motherfucking mama, okay?

01:08:14.000 Nobody find me.

01:08:15.000 So, my dad's in prison.

01:08:17.000 He's trying to find me.

01:08:18.000 But he can't, he's like, bro, I can't, you got, I gotta be out in the streets to get to find him, you know?

01:08:22.000 He wants me to go and talk to the, and work this out.

01:08:25.000 He's got a lawyer, and he's got it all out, and he's working these things out.

01:08:28.000 They're trying to give him 157 years.

01:08:29.000 I'm scared.

01:08:30.000 I live by the pirate's code.

01:08:31.000 Like, we're black people, the pirate's code.

01:08:33.000 Whoever falls behind gets left behind.

01:08:35.000 You know?

01:08:36.000 And so, we all running, and whoever the police catch, they caught you, and you don't tell, and we get away.

01:08:42.000 Whoever gets away, if I get caught, I shut the fuck up, and it's just what it is.

01:08:46.000 And so, I don't, I'm not talking to my dad.

01:08:49.000 I had no contact with him.

01:08:51.000 I'm just, like, trying to stay away from it.

01:08:53.000 It's been about a year.

01:08:55.000 I've been having sleepless nights.

01:08:57.000 The Mexican guy's like, brother, like, we didn't do anything wrong.

01:09:00.000 We're not working.

01:09:00.000 We can't keep hiding.

01:09:01.000 We can't fight.

01:09:02.000 We can't do anything.

01:09:03.000 Like, we're just scared, you know?

01:09:06.000 And he's like, we gotta do what we need to do.

01:09:08.000 We gotta go back to living.

01:09:09.000 So I start talking to his wife, my dad's wife, and getting in contact with him and what's going on.

01:09:14.000 Turns out they were gonna give him 157 years, but he hired a private investigator, followed that guy around.

01:09:21.000 Turns out that guy was meeting with the judge and the DA at a golf course to his case.

01:09:27.000 It's a conflict of interest, you know?

01:09:29.000 And so he was able to show that.

01:09:32.000 They gave him two years.

01:09:34.000 First offense, never did nothing.

01:09:36.000 Never been in prison, jail, nothing like that.

01:09:38.000 And now he's got to go to prison, you know?

01:09:40.000 And he's dealing with a wildlife.

01:09:42.000 I wanted him to tell you the story about all this stuff that he had to go through and Where we...

01:09:48.000 Is that why you brought him here?

01:09:50.000 I wanted him to...

01:09:50.000 Yes, yes.

01:09:51.000 See, I thought you...

01:09:52.000 Okay.

01:09:52.000 I wanted him to explain all these different stuff so that...

01:09:54.000 Let's pause then.

01:09:55.000 Our relationship.

01:09:56.000 We'll get him in here.

01:09:56.000 Let's pause.

01:09:57.000 Okay, cool, cool.

01:09:58.000 I want to hear it.

01:09:58.000 Let's pause.

01:10:00.000 We're going to pause.

01:10:01.000 We're going to bring him in.

01:10:02.000 Why don't you introduce your dad?

01:10:03.000 Okay.

01:10:04.000 First of all, I'm going to introduce my dad...

01:10:07.000 He's crazy, but I wouldn't be here without him.

01:10:09.000 I'm so thankful.

01:10:11.000 Loyalty's big for me, and we've been through this crazy journey, and it's so dope to have him here.

01:10:15.000 Jake Benny.

01:10:16.000 Thank you.

01:10:16.000 I appreciate just being a part of your story.

01:10:19.000 Well, he wanted to bring you in before.

01:10:22.000 He started telling me the story, and then he's like, we've got to bring him in, so you were out there.

01:10:27.000 I was like, can I bring my dad?

01:10:27.000 That's why I messaged you.

01:10:28.000 See, when you said, I thought you meant to the studio.

01:10:31.000 I didn't think you meant on the show.

01:10:33.000 Nah, we're going to get deep on this motherfucker.

01:10:35.000 I'm going to give you some real shit, Joe, because nobody else is going to give it to you like this.

01:10:35.000 Okay.

01:10:39.000 I believe you, Bobby Green.

01:10:41.000 I meet my pop and shit, and he's got this crazy black guy in his gym, you know?

01:10:47.000 And the fighters that he had before, they were fighting once, twice a year, you know?

01:10:53.000 Here I come, and I'm like, I just had four fights last month.

01:10:57.000 Like, let's keep it rolling.

01:10:58.000 Like, let's fight.

01:10:59.000 And I wouldn't go to the gym unless he had a fight.

01:11:02.000 He'd always, like...

01:11:04.000 On me, trying to fucking make me stay at the gym.

01:11:07.000 And I'd always, and this was a battle for us, you know?

01:11:09.000 He'd have to come get me and force me.

01:11:10.000 So I'm so thankful that, like, that's why I call him my dad, is that a real father is somebody that takes the time to make it better, you know?

01:11:21.000 See something in you, bring it out of you.

01:11:21.000 Right.

01:11:23.000 Because I wouldn't, I'd be somewhere in the streets working a freaking warehouse job if it wasn't for him.

01:11:29.000 It's a hard gig to be a fighter, man.

01:11:32.000 For someone to have the kind of belief in you to be able to do that that he had, that for you at that time must have been one of the most special things, right?

01:11:43.000 It didn't at that time.

01:11:45.000 It didn't feel like it?

01:11:46.000 Not at that time.

01:11:47.000 It made sense later on, you know, because I didn't believe it.

01:11:51.000 Like, he would tell me, like, you're going to make a lot of money.

01:11:54.000 You're going to be this.

01:11:55.000 You're going to make belts.

01:11:56.000 So while he was pushing you, why were you resisting?

01:11:59.000 What were you thinking?

01:12:01.000 I was thinking about money.

01:12:02.000 I was thinking short term, like, hey, this stuff ain't paying enough.

01:12:05.000 I'm working a warehouse job.

01:12:07.000 I'm going to be leveling up in there.

01:12:08.000 I'm going to become a lead and then a manager.

01:12:10.000 I'm not going to be...

01:12:11.000 Oh, no.

01:12:12.000 I'm going to work up the ladder in the working environment.

01:12:14.000 Can you imagine if that's how you went?

01:12:17.000 You went that way?

01:12:18.000 He begged me.

01:12:18.000 I would not allow that to happen.

01:12:20.000 All the time he begged me to quit my job.

01:12:22.000 All the time.

01:12:25.000 It's like a lot of coaches go through, you know, like they have these fighters to develop these intimate relationships with.

01:12:30.000 They talk to their wives about them, their families about them, their kids about them, you know what I mean?

01:12:35.000 Next thing you know, it's just they're part of the family, you know what I mean?

01:12:38.000 And he lived with us for a lot of his fights, you know, and that was really kind of how I Was able to keep the reins on him, to be honest with you.

01:12:46.000 For real.

01:12:46.000 Like, we'd get a fight, and I'd have to go find him, you know, and bring him to my house.

01:12:50.000 I told you that he had to go find me!

01:12:52.000 I believe you.

01:12:53.000 I'd take his keys from him, you know what I mean?

01:12:54.000 Take his car keys from him and shit.

01:12:56.000 And that way he'd only ride with me, you know?

01:12:59.000 So we'd just do two a day.

01:13:00.000 Wake me up, make me get up and go to kids' class.

01:13:03.000 After kids' class, then we got adult class, and then we got MMA's class.

01:13:07.000 Like...

01:13:07.000 All this stuff.

01:13:08.000 I used to hate it.

01:13:09.000 But I realized at that point in time, that's where I really honed into my skills and I realized, oh, this is what it takes.

01:13:15.000 Be really zoned in and really do it.

01:13:18.000 Nothing else but it.

01:13:19.000 Yeah.

01:13:20.000 Yeah.

01:13:21.000 And so eventually you just gave in.

01:13:25.000 Yeah.

01:13:26.000 I'd say it's probably...

01:13:27.000 For instance, I used to like...

01:13:30.000 He first like with the smoking.

01:13:32.000 He didn't...

01:13:33.000 He was against it, you know?

01:13:35.000 So you're like, well, fuck it.

01:13:36.000 Well, at least do this.

01:13:37.000 Can you give me 20 days clean before?

01:13:39.000 You know?

01:13:40.000 And I would give you like...

01:13:42.000 15, and then it got to 20, and then I got a little better, I got 25, and I started, oh, this is, I saw the results in my fights.

01:13:49.000 Oh, you need to be clean.

01:13:51.000 You need your lungs.

01:13:53.000 I just talked to my boy Terence McKinney, and I was just like, he's like, Meryl, I'm one of your, I'm a big fan of you.

01:13:59.000 I'm like, I liked, I like, Rashad did it with me, big brother to this.

01:14:02.000 Hey, give him a little advice.

01:14:04.000 He hit me up and wanted to smoke with me right before the Islam fight.

01:14:07.000 I'm like, what?

01:14:08.000 You smoke?

01:14:09.000 He's like, yeah, and he just went out there, smoked, and then smoked the guy.

01:14:12.000 I'm like, yeah, I used to do that, too, brother.

01:14:14.000 Trust me, I used to smoke weed and beat guys, too.

01:14:16.000 But I realized at this level, you can't do it, big dog.

01:14:20.000 Come here.

01:14:20.000 Don't put that weed down.

01:14:22.000 Just focus on your craft, and then after you go party, you party hard, you know?

01:14:26.000 How different do you feel when you do 25 days of no weed?

01:14:31.000 Like, what's the difference?

01:14:34.000 It's so crazy, brother.

01:14:35.000 I was gonna get into that.

01:14:37.000 But how do you feel when you do that?

01:14:40.000 What's the difference?

01:14:42.000 How does he feel and how does everybody else feel?

01:14:44.000 That's what I'm gonna get into!

01:14:45.000 Is that what the problem is?

01:14:46.000 Yes!

01:14:46.000 Yeah, you get tense.

01:14:47.000 Detoxing.

01:14:48.000 Yes!

01:14:49.000 I don't know if it's detoxing, man.

01:14:50.000 I think marijuana is medicine for a lot of folks.

01:14:53.000 It's the blood.

01:14:54.000 It's the tobacco.

01:14:54.000 I only smoke tobacco.

01:14:55.000 I mean, blends.

01:14:56.000 I don't smoke bungs.

01:14:57.000 Oh, so you became addicted to tobacco, too.

01:14:59.000 So now I'm...

01:15:00.000 That's heavy tobacco, too.

01:15:02.000 I thought it was the weed at first, you know?

01:15:04.000 And that's when I cut the weed out, and then I realized it's the tobacco on the weed.

01:15:08.000 That is the thing, man.

01:15:09.000 When I first got introduced to the blunt, I was like, what a brilliant thing.

01:15:14.000 But it's no high like it.

01:15:15.000 No high like it.

01:15:16.000 It's a different high.

01:15:17.000 It's a different high.

01:15:17.000 It's a high high.

01:15:19.000 Yes!

01:15:19.000 It's not a, like, you...

01:15:20.000 The tobacco is a stimulant, I think?

01:15:23.000 Is that what it is?

01:15:24.000 It's, um...

01:15:26.000 I know it's...

01:15:27.000 It's got cognitive benefits.

01:15:30.000 Tobacco enhances your thinking.

01:15:32.000 There's a lot of people that are writers that get addicted to smoking because it enhances their focus.

01:15:39.000 It does something to them.

01:15:40.000 Same thing with Jiu-Jitsu.

01:15:40.000 It makes you creative.

01:15:41.000 Them Autumn 10 Planet guys.

01:15:43.000 There's a lot of blunts involved in those positions.

01:15:47.000 Yeah.

01:15:47.000 Get around and move.

01:15:49.000 So now I meet the guy that I'm finding all the success with.

01:15:53.000 Who's this Bobby Green kid?

01:15:55.000 You know, we're killing shit.

01:15:56.000 We got belts, and we're putting our gym on the map.

01:15:59.000 All the fighters are starting to kind of gravitate in.

01:16:01.000 We're getting our momentum, and then he goes to jail.

01:16:04.000 And so...

01:16:06.000 Now that he went to prison, and I was breaking that down for him, Pop, is...

01:16:10.000 Yeah, so Bobby was telling us the story, and you said, like, what's your version of the story?

01:16:17.000 You know, one of the things I learned through this process, like he said, we didn't talk for a while, you know, like, there was some communication with him, but for the most part, like, the first six months, you know, it was like...

01:16:27.000 I was hiding!

01:16:28.000 Yeah.

01:16:29.000 You're hiding.

01:16:30.000 So I got to hear the victim's perspective when I was in court.

01:16:35.000 Some of it was correct.

01:16:36.000 Some of it was a lie, a flat-out lie.

01:16:39.000 And then I got to hear Bobby's perspective eventually, and then the other kid's perspective, and then I lived what my perspective was, you know.

01:16:46.000 And about 80% of it is...

01:16:49.000 Is correct in all the ways, but there's always that 20% that's different.

01:16:53.000 You know, everybody else sees something different.

01:16:55.000 They feel something different, you know?

01:16:57.000 Especially in a time of panic.

01:16:57.000 Right.

01:16:59.000 That's the big problem.

01:16:59.000 Yeah.

01:17:00.000 Yeah, you don't see it all the same when we're all, oh, like somebody came shooting and like, oh, he had a red shirt.

01:17:05.000 No, he had a red stripe shirt.

01:17:06.000 He had a, you know?

01:17:07.000 That's a real problem with eyewitness testimony and those big crazy events, right?

01:17:11.000 Yeah, and I had to come to terms with the understanding of Of that.

01:17:17.000 When it happened to me and I went in and going through that whole process, you're really angry because what's happening is not what should have happened.

01:17:24.000 Right.

01:17:25.000 Tell them...

01:17:25.000 No, Pop.

01:17:26.000 I want you to tell them the real shit.

01:17:29.000 I want you to tell them that shit.

01:17:30.000 The process of...

01:17:32.000 You've got to understand what it is for a person who's never been in jail, doesn't know the rules of jail, I mean a prison, doesn't know anything about that stuff and the life he went through.

01:17:40.000 He shared a lot of that stuff with me.

01:17:42.000 And I don't know how much he wants to share, but just...

01:17:45.000 But it's essentially a story of the legal system gone wrong, too, in your case.

01:17:50.000 Absolutely.

01:17:51.000 Because you got fucked, you went to God, God gives you money, back, and then somehow or another you catch a case.

01:17:58.000 Who I said that like a rapper Like how did what the fuck is this like and like How does it keep your faith?

01:18:11.000 Like how do you how do you get through some something like that?

01:18:14.000 Well, you know you were wronged and somehow or another someone lied and Made it look like you did something you didn't yeah, so I mean, that's essentially the story, right?

01:18:26.000 Yeah.

01:18:27.000 It was a scam.

01:18:28.000 So I was able to, during this whole process, we were able to figure out this gentleman had fraud in Indiana.

01:18:33.000 He had fraud in Arizona.

01:18:35.000 So he's a scam artist.

01:18:36.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:18:37.000 Played basketball at Indiana University.

01:18:40.000 This guy's 6'9", 290 pounds.

01:18:42.000 And they didn't factor any of this in?

01:18:44.000 Bro, I'm in the preliminary area.

01:18:46.000 No, it's who calls first.

01:18:47.000 Yeah, it's in who calls first.

01:18:48.000 We didn't call the police.

01:18:49.000 We thought we shook hands on a gentleman thing and we're good.

01:18:52.000 Oh my God.

01:18:52.000 He went and called the police.

01:18:53.000 Oh my God.

01:18:54.000 So, this guy...

01:18:58.000 Everything's documented in the court case, right?

01:19:01.000 So our incident took place, he went to go see his attorney the next day, then he went to the hospital, and then from the hospital back to his house, then a police report, and then that police report, then he goes back to his attorney, and it's like, he's just been coached this whole process.

01:19:16.000 And really what it came down to in my situation was, they wanted Bobby.

01:19:21.000 They wanted the nigga.

01:19:22.000 Exactly.

01:19:23.000 The nigga from the IE. And I didn't do shit!

01:19:26.000 Even in the court paperwork, they have to write all this stuff down and they go present it to me.

01:19:31.000 I'm reading through all this stuff and it's multiple times in there.

01:19:35.000 We want the African American guy, the black guy, the black kid from San Bernardino.

01:19:40.000 And they wanted me to give up Bobby and this other kid that I had with me.

01:19:45.000 To get a better deal, right?

01:19:47.000 So they come with me all these years, and then they want the black guy.

01:19:50.000 So the stuff that happened inside the house when we walked into the house, this guy tried to do some sideways shit.

01:19:56.000 Things got all chaotic again in the house, and then I see all the stuff on the computer.

01:20:00.000 And it wasn't just me on the computer.

01:20:02.000 Like, he had a picture of my wife at the time on there, my kids' schools, where they went to school.

01:20:06.000 Like, this fucking guy had so much shit.

01:20:10.000 It was like, I wanted to just smash this guy, right, and just go.

01:20:14.000 Right.

01:20:14.000 But that's not what happened.

01:20:15.000 You know what I mean?

01:20:16.000 Like, for the most part, everything was pretty level-headed.

01:20:19.000 And that's why I felt like when we left the situation, it was like, Okay, things are going to be okay.

01:20:25.000 But you did have that fear.

01:20:27.000 I said we should have called the cops.

01:20:28.000 Maybe that's why you had your information that you felt like that.

01:20:31.000 I stayed at his house for the next two weeks because we felt like he has his address, he has all this information on him.

01:20:38.000 I pull all my guns out, I put my shotgun in here, you know what I mean?

01:20:41.000 And I don't want to fucking live like that.

01:20:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:20:44.000 It's ridiculous.

01:20:45.000 We had no intentions of any type of stuff like this for this situation to ever come about us.

01:20:50.000 Well, you just stumbled into a scam artist.

01:20:51.000 Yes!

01:20:54.000 It's insane that they can't...

01:20:57.000 And San Diego, the way it works is they have a 98, 97?

01:21:03.000 96.8% conviction rate in the city of San Diego.

01:21:08.000 So if you...

01:21:08.000 What does that mean?

01:21:09.000 If they catch you for something, you're going.

01:21:11.000 That means, okay, conviction rate means you're going to prison, not necessarily just county jail, right?

01:21:16.000 So their conviction rate is so high...

01:21:18.000 That if you get arrested in San Diego, 96, 97% of the time, you're going to catch a case.

01:21:23.000 We definitely got to Google this.

01:21:26.000 What's the conviction rate of San Diego?

01:21:28.000 That's crazy if true.

01:21:30.000 I'll file that under crazy if true.

01:21:32.000 That seems real high.

01:21:35.000 Unless they are so careful about arresting people.

01:21:39.000 Well, think about it like this, right?

01:21:41.000 So the city itself...

01:21:43.000 Okay, so in the paperwork it says they wanted the black guy because they don't want these IE thugs coming down to the great city of San Diego and harassing their residents.

01:21:54.000 Oh, wow.

01:21:55.000 Harassing their thieves?

01:21:56.000 Exactly.

01:21:57.000 They don't want this to become a fad where I'm telling my homies, hey, we just hit a lick and let's keep going down to San Diego, you know?

01:22:04.000 Some stupid shit like that.

01:22:06.000 So the incident takes place outside, and at the time, my understanding is they changed kidnapping in the penal code now.

01:22:14.000 So a few years ago they...

01:22:15.000 I wrote that already down.

01:22:16.000 I wrote the kidnapping shit down.

01:22:18.000 He was telling me that it's 15 feet?

01:22:21.000 Is that real?

01:22:21.000 I think it's 18 or 23 feet.

01:22:23.000 23 feet.

01:22:24.000 So if you get someone to walk 23 feet against their will, that's kidnapping.

01:22:28.000 Yeah.

01:22:29.000 And so he gets on the stand at the preliminary hearing and says, I moved 23 feet from the front of my driveway to the front of the house.

01:22:37.000 That's 23 feet.

01:22:38.000 So because he got on the stand and said that, now the jurors have to hold this law to its highest standard.

01:22:44.000 It took an oath to hold the law to its highest standard.

01:22:47.000 And if they just decide, oh, no, this guy's innocent.

01:22:51.000 Like, this is a fucked up situation, whatever.

01:22:53.000 This guy's whatever.

01:22:54.000 Right.

01:22:55.000 Then the juror gets charged with obstruction of justice.

01:22:59.000 That carries two to four years imprisonment, I believe.

01:23:02.000 So what juror is going to stand up for me to not go to prison to say, hey, no, this is wrong, We're giving this guy kidnapping, but this is not kidnapping.

01:23:11.000 But in our penal code, this is what it reads.

01:23:12.000 If your victim moves willingly on his own good will and says he's in fear for his life more than 18 feet or 23 feet, that's kidnapping.

01:23:19.000 Don't even have to touch him.

01:23:21.000 So they stacked these four charges up because of the kid and him.

01:23:25.000 So I had four counts of kidnapping, which was two that carry in an L and then two with the possibility of parole.

01:23:31.000 Jesus Christ.

01:23:34.000 Yeah, and then you start stacking up all these other charges, and all these years start adding up, right?

01:23:38.000 And then all of a sudden you're facing something that you don't even know how to fight it.

01:23:42.000 You don't know how to fight it.

01:23:44.000 The system's too big.

01:23:45.000 It just swallows you up, you know?

01:23:47.000 Wow.

01:23:48.000 So, tell him how you felt when you saw them years.

01:23:52.000 Man, I just...

01:23:53.000 It was unreal.

01:23:54.000 I just broke down, dude.

01:23:56.000 He said he was crying all over the paperwork that he couldn't even sign it.

01:23:59.000 That they had to go print another one out.

01:24:02.000 So they brought me this deal, right?

01:24:03.000 Okay, so they come to me.

01:24:05.000 We're going to jury selection.

01:24:06.000 And they come to me and say, okay, we'll give you 10 years with 85 and a strike if you sign today.

01:24:12.000 And I'm like, what the fuck, man?

01:24:14.000 Like, my attorneys are all telling me to sign this paperwork, right?

01:24:19.000 And I just couldn't get myself to do it, man.

01:24:23.000 Like, part of the problem here was the main problem.

01:24:26.000 One, I feel like I go in 10 years, I'm never going to get out.

01:24:29.000 I'm a first-termer.

01:24:30.000 I got to go in.

01:24:31.000 I got to put work in.

01:24:33.000 And you're going to catch more time.

01:24:35.000 So it's really hard to get out of the system if you're going to be in there that long.

01:24:40.000 So when all this stuff went down, they bring me the deal.

01:24:44.000 The deal is 10 years at 85. And I'm looking at it, and my attorneys are like, you got to sign it.

01:24:48.000 You got to sign it.

01:24:50.000 And I just couldn't, you know, like I couldn't bring myself to say that I was a thief.

01:24:54.000 So they want me to put on paper and document that I'm a thief.

01:25:01.000 They want me to take a deal, robbery, 2-11, with a strike, you know?

01:25:05.000 Great bodily injury, all this stuff.

01:25:06.000 I'm like, no, I didn't do that.

01:25:09.000 That's not my character.

01:25:10.000 Like, I can't say that I'm a thief because I despise thieves, you know?

01:25:17.000 That's part of what broke me, you know?

01:25:20.000 Here's what I feel like I can stand up for as a man, right?

01:25:23.000 Like, you think, oh, I'll handle myself this way in this situation.

01:25:26.000 I would do it like this, you know?

01:25:28.000 You ain't never been in that situation where you got your whole life changing.

01:25:31.000 And then you face those.

01:25:31.000 Yeah.

01:25:32.000 You face those things.

01:25:33.000 Like, oh, you're innocent.

01:25:34.000 Fucking go to trial.

01:25:36.000 Yeah, but if you lose...

01:25:37.000 What?

01:25:38.000 Like, they set it up that it's not going to be a victory like that.

01:25:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:42.000 And you were saying the percentage was...

01:25:45.000 What was it?

01:25:46.000 I think it was 96%.

01:25:47.000 This is the most I could find from 2017. 94%.

01:25:51.000 That's so high.

01:25:52.000 And at my time, it was 96.8 when I went in.

01:25:55.000 That's so high.

01:25:56.000 Yeah.

01:25:56.000 It says, oh, San Diego County District Attorney's Office has a felony conviction rate of 94%.

01:26:02.000 There you go.

01:26:03.000 Well, if they were, like, the best police ever, and everybody was telling the truth at all times, and there's no mistakes made.

01:26:13.000 Yes.

01:26:14.000 These are perfect.

01:26:15.000 I don't know.

01:26:15.000 Dude.

01:26:16.000 Man, these guys are so crooked, bro.

01:26:18.000 I want to talk about this.

01:26:18.000 Oh, shit.

01:26:20.000 I want to get to this, but this fits in here.

01:26:23.000 Do you know that whole story about the staircase?

01:26:27.000 There was some conviction where the father was convicted of throwing someone...

01:26:32.000 Yeah, it was a documentary.

01:26:33.000 Or the husband, rather, was convicted of pushing the wife down the stairs.

01:26:36.000 They think now this is a possibility that she might have been attacked by an owl.

01:26:42.000 That was part of the...

01:26:43.000 Holy shit.

01:26:43.000 Yeah, that's not new.

01:26:45.000 No.

01:26:45.000 It isn't?

01:26:46.000 I think that might be the end of the documentary.

01:26:50.000 I was just reading this article about it.

01:26:52.000 It was just out.

01:26:53.000 I'm pretty sure somebody sent me an old article.

01:26:56.000 They found microscopic owl feathers in her hair.

01:27:01.000 And they found holes that could have been talon marks, I believe.

01:27:05.000 I don't want to fuck this up.

01:27:07.000 Because I was reading it.

01:27:08.000 What happened to him is the question.

01:27:10.000 2018, this came out.

01:27:13.000 Is that it?

01:27:14.000 Wow.

01:27:15.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:27:16.000 So it's an old story.

01:27:18.000 You've been doing time?

01:27:19.000 Somebody sent it to me and I didn't look at the date.

01:27:21.000 But anyway, this fucking owl might have killed this lady.

01:27:25.000 The owl hit her head, apparently, with the talons, and apparently she had been out drinking and having a good time, and here it is.

01:27:37.000 According to the theory, the events of the night unfold like this.

01:27:39.000 This is just a theory.

01:27:41.000 Kathleen Peterson was outside the couple's home at night while her husband was down by their pool.

01:27:47.000 An owl, likely a barrel owl.

01:27:50.000 Let's say that ten times fast.

01:27:52.000 A bared owl swooped down and attacked Kathleen on her head, causing the lacerations police found later.

01:28:03.000 Yes, owls do attack humans.

01:28:05.000 We'll get into that later.

01:28:06.000 Kathleen then ran inside to escape the owl, which had ripped out chunks of her hair.

01:28:12.000 Pine needles were also found in her hands, along with microscopic feathers.

01:28:18.000 Drops of blood were found on the front steps, and the door had blood smeared on it, indicating that whatever happened, it wasn't totally confined to the staircase.

01:28:29.000 And continuing with the theory, Kathleen at this point attempted to go upstairs where she slipped and fell.

01:28:36.000 Toxicology reports found traces of anti-anxiety medication, muscle relaxants, and alcohol combined with an owl attack.

01:28:44.000 Getting up a long flight of stairs is far from a straightforward proposal.

01:28:48.000 The theory posits that she slipped and fell, causing the injuries that ultimately led to her death.

01:28:53.000 Wow.

01:28:54.000 Which is, it sounds like...

01:28:56.000 It's far-fetched.

01:28:57.000 It doesn't sound that far-fetched if there's blood on her hand and she's bleeding in front of the steps and she's got her own blood on the door, opening the door.

01:29:06.000 She's already been hit.

01:29:07.000 Something happened.

01:29:07.000 Yeah.

01:29:08.000 She checked it already.

01:29:09.000 But I thought you said something like...

01:29:09.000 Yeah.

01:29:11.000 Did he do time?

01:29:12.000 That's what I'm trying to find out what happened again.

01:29:13.000 No, not dad.

01:29:14.000 I'm sorry, the husband.

01:29:15.000 I think that was the guy who got convicted for it, right?

01:29:18.000 And then they let him out.

01:29:20.000 There was a mistrial.

01:29:21.000 I believe that's the story behind it.

01:29:23.000 Wow.

01:29:24.000 I haven't watched that documentary though, so I might be fucking this up.

01:29:28.000 Yeah, that's what.

01:29:29.000 Imagine if your wife got killed by a fucking owl though, that is so crazy.

01:29:34.000 But I'm just trying to figure out, from the husband's point of view, they thought it was him?

01:29:37.000 Oh my god.

01:29:38.000 What?

01:29:39.000 Your wife got killed by an owl and you get unfairly pegged as the killer.

01:29:45.000 That's the thing, man.

01:29:46.000 You realize that system is not perfect.

01:29:50.000 I've met a lot of pretty good people in here, believe it or not.

01:29:54.000 A lot of veterans, man.

01:29:56.000 A lot of veterans in there.

01:29:57.000 A lot of people have drug issues more so, you know?

01:30:00.000 Issues there mentally that are happening with Lentzim in prison, you know?

01:30:03.000 For sure.

01:30:04.000 For sure.

01:30:05.000 Drug problems.

01:30:06.000 Yeah, and that's the big part of the homeless problem as well.

01:30:10.000 Drug problems, mental health problems, lack of mental health institutions.

01:30:13.000 That's why you came to Texas, huh?

01:30:14.000 You said, hey, I'm not here.

01:30:15.000 It's too much.

01:30:16.000 No.

01:30:17.000 The money.

01:30:17.000 It was the big thing coming to Texas was they don't tell you what to do.

01:30:21.000 There was a thing about California stopping people from doing shows, stopping people from doing stand-up, even outside.

01:30:28.000 They wouldn't let them have outside shows for a while.

01:30:31.000 It didn't make any sense.

01:30:32.000 The Comedy Store was trying to do shows outside.

01:30:34.000 They were like, no, no shows outside.

01:30:35.000 We don't want any shows.

01:30:36.000 I'm loving Texas, brother.

01:30:38.000 It's nice.

01:30:39.000 It's so nice.

01:30:40.000 People are friendly.

01:30:42.000 Yes!

01:30:43.000 Even the white guys, you know?

01:30:45.000 And my coach told me some shit.

01:30:46.000 He was like, uh, Durant, he was like, it's because they got guns on them.

01:30:50.000 They ain't worried about nothing, you know?

01:30:51.000 Back in California, you can't carry it.

01:30:53.000 That's an unfortunate reality.

01:30:55.000 That old expression of well-armed society is a polite society.

01:30:59.000 Really, unfortunately, it's true.

01:30:59.000 You know?

01:31:01.000 Because you know where it can go.

01:31:03.000 Yeah.

01:31:04.000 It ain't no fight.

01:31:06.000 He's going for the gun.

01:31:07.000 Well, a friend of mine once said we were out to dinner with fighters post UFC and he was like, dude, I've met like 10 fighters from you.

01:31:17.000 He goes, they're all the nicest guys.

01:31:19.000 I'm like, yeah, because they have nothing to prove.

01:31:21.000 They have nothing to prove.

01:31:22.000 They're not puffing up their chest like a rooster and walking around wanting people to respect them.

01:31:27.000 They don't give a fuck.

01:31:28.000 They're tired from training.

01:31:29.000 They just want to chill and relax.

01:31:31.000 They have no, I need to prove I'm the baddest motherfucker in the room in them.

01:31:34.000 They have zero of it.

01:31:35.000 They already know.

01:31:36.000 Our egos aren't there.

01:31:37.000 You don't like that.

01:31:39.000 Especially guys who do MMA because there's going to be an area where you don't excel.

01:31:45.000 Okay, okay, okay, so you're hitting on something.

01:31:47.000 I have to explain this to a lot of my niggas.

01:31:53.000 When they first wanted to come to MMA, a lot of black dudes got egos, and I have to tell them, listen, it's different in this world.

01:32:00.000 I know in the streets, you feel bad, somebody say something, you feel like you could talk, but in here, we're just going on the mat and solve it.

01:32:09.000 And it's the difference in the world.

01:32:10.000 If we know who's the big fish and we know who's the small fish, we've seen you and you can't hide behind words.

01:32:16.000 We've seen you being awkward.

01:32:17.000 That's what I told you earlier about fighting is your personality.

01:32:20.000 We've seen you in your most vulnerable.

01:32:22.000 We've seen you be hurt.

01:32:23.000 We've seen you like, ugh, you gave up.

01:32:26.000 We saw you be tired and have nothing left.

01:32:29.000 You're at your most vulnerable.

01:32:30.000 Well, with a lot of young guys that are really tough, there's a moment where you realize when you start training with people that are on an elite level, they start seeing, like, oh my god, I'm getting lit up.

01:32:42.000 Like, you've got to realize who you really are, like, in the food chain.

01:32:46.000 And some guys can accept that, and they become more technical, and they get better, and some guys, they're like, it's too much.

01:32:53.000 Like, to have to get...

01:32:55.000 They quit.

01:32:56.000 Yeah, to get to where, you know, Dos Anjos, who you talked about earlier, to get to where that guy is, I mean, that guy has been putting in work for a long fucking time.

01:33:06.000 I was thinking that while I was watching the Moikano fight.

01:33:08.000 I was like, he has been putting in work for a long fucking time.

01:33:12.000 Yeah.

01:33:14.000 Way...

01:33:14.000 He's a real fighter.

01:33:15.000 Dude.

01:33:15.000 A real fighter.

01:33:17.000 McConnell called me out.

01:33:18.000 Did he really?

01:33:19.000 Yeah, and I just wanted to tell him, hey, I acknowledge you, I hear you.

01:33:23.000 All the guys that called me out, like I get a list now, now that I'm somebody in somebody's eyes.

01:33:27.000 Just wait until after this show.

01:33:28.000 And they're like calling me out and stuff.

01:33:30.000 I'm like, hey, I just want you guys to know, I acknowledge you, I hear you, and I would love to fight you.

01:33:35.000 But again, I have bosses, they make the fights, so whoever they pick is who I fight.

01:33:39.000 But I want you to acknowledge you because I felt like before this little bubble, I would call guys out and they wouldn't give you the acknowledgement, you know?

01:33:49.000 Like, the first person who ever said my name, and I made this in my book, it's like, I mean, I write it now, I was like, if you say my name, I'm gonna fight you.

01:33:54.000 I'm gonna get you, you know?

01:33:56.000 Like Candyman.

01:33:57.000 Yeah, you say my name, I shall appear, you know?

01:34:00.000 And so Tony called my name, but I was number six in the world at the time.

01:34:04.000 Before Tony had his rise, and he called, he wanted to fight me, I'm like, I accept it, I acknowledge, I gave you that opportunity.

01:34:10.000 Now it's flipped.

01:34:12.000 And I'm like, hey, Tony, you wanted that fight.

01:34:14.000 How about that fight?

01:34:15.000 No answer.

01:34:16.000 Crickets.

01:34:17.000 He's showing me he's seeing it, like even messaging him, but he's not answering.

01:34:21.000 Oh, come on now.

01:34:22.000 Don't do that.

01:34:23.000 Give me my acknowledgement, you know?

01:34:25.000 Give me the acknowledgement.

01:34:26.000 Acknowledge me as a man.

01:34:27.000 The only person that acknowledged me, and I had to tell him, was the Irish Dragon.

01:34:33.000 Felder.

01:34:34.000 I was like, hey, Felder, I appreciate your acknowledgement.

01:34:36.000 You know, you at least let me know I'm in the room.

01:34:38.000 You see me, you respect me, and hey, go do this or do that, or maybe we'll fight.

01:34:43.000 At least acknowledgement.

01:34:44.000 Yes.

01:34:45.000 Felder's a great guy.

01:34:46.000 He is a great guy.

01:34:48.000 I love doing commentary with him this past weekend.

01:34:52.000 He's a sweetheart of a guy.

01:34:53.000 I hated that he's getting picked on a little bit by some of the guys, you know, with the commentary, like...

01:34:59.000 It's hard, man.

01:35:00.000 It's your thinking in real time.

01:35:01.000 You're thinking in real time in the middle of fights.

01:35:03.000 They ain't joke!

01:35:04.000 No, I'm fucking up too, man.

01:35:05.000 I'm fucking up too.

01:35:07.000 There's no way around it, man.

01:35:08.000 It's a weird thing.

01:35:12.000 You're in the middle of...

01:35:13.000 Calling something, you get excited, you get emotional, you're attached, you know people, you know, you have ideas in your head about how you thought it was going to be versus how it's actually happening.

01:35:25.000 You know, every commentator experiences all of those things.

01:35:28.000 You know, that's all the stuff that I had to go through.

01:35:30.000 So, Paul, I want you to tell him about when the police action came.

01:35:37.000 You almost have to be animated to do it.

01:35:39.000 I want you to tell him.

01:35:40.000 So, I'm in Atlanta.

01:35:42.000 I'm in Atlanta.

01:35:43.000 We're getting ready to buy a gym.

01:35:44.000 Yeah.

01:35:45.000 And I did some research out there to see if there was any gyms in the area.

01:35:48.000 You know, we're in Alpharetta, like near Cobb County.

01:35:50.000 Right.

01:35:51.000 And I was buying a house in Canton, and...

01:35:57.000 I'm, like, paying the whole house off, basically.

01:36:01.000 Like, financing, like, 50 grand, right?

01:36:02.000 Right.

01:36:03.000 And they're like, oh, we're having problems with your bureaus, right?

01:36:07.000 And I'm like, this is impossible.

01:36:08.000 I have, like, 800-some credit score, you know?

01:36:10.000 And I've got 450 grand right here.

01:36:12.000 Like, what's going on?

01:36:13.000 So she's like, oh, just go get some food and then come back and we'll have it all put together, right?

01:36:19.000 So I take off, hop in this car and driving down the street and I see a jiu-jitsu school.

01:36:23.000 And there's like 40, 50 kids in this school, right?

01:36:26.000 But I had been online looking and seeing who's in the area and I never saw a school in the area.

01:36:31.000 So I just like crossed over from like two lanes right into this parking lot and hop out of my car, run into this jiu-jitsu school real quick and I'm watching this class.

01:36:43.000 This fucking coach, this guy, this instructor, has got all these black belts and certificates all over the wall and everything.

01:36:50.000 Got like 40 kids and 40 guys in this class.

01:36:52.000 So I sit down and I'm just watching.

01:36:54.000 I'm like, man, this seems off.

01:36:56.000 Like, something seems off in here, you know?

01:36:57.000 I'm like looking.

01:36:58.000 And this fool starts teaching some shit.

01:37:00.000 And he's like, hold on a second.

01:37:01.000 And he runs over to the corner and he flips through this book.

01:37:04.000 And I look into this book.

01:37:05.000 He runs back and he shows the other half of the move, you know?

01:37:08.000 And I'm like, that's kind of strange, you know?

01:37:12.000 So afterwards, I asked him, I said, hey, who did you get your black belt from, you know?

01:37:15.000 And he goes, oh, from the Gracie's.

01:37:18.000 And I say, from who?

01:37:19.000 And he goes, oh, I did these things where I recorded myself doing these moves, and I sent it in to them, and then they sent me back this Gracie Combatives fucking black belt bullshit, right?

01:37:29.000 What?

01:37:30.000 No, wait a minute.

01:37:31.000 Hold on a second.

01:37:32.000 Hold on a second.

01:37:32.000 You're saying you can get a black belt online?

01:37:35.000 This is what this guy tells me.

01:37:36.000 It's called a Gracie Combated Black Belt.

01:37:39.000 But that's not real.

01:37:41.000 He's lying, right?

01:37:42.000 No, he really did it.

01:37:44.000 There was a time where I don't know who started it, but you could send in, like you could do these moves, right?

01:37:50.000 They give you this layout of like, here's what your criteria is to be a blue belt, a purple belt, a black belt, like all this stuff, right?

01:37:56.000 You could do it online with no formal instruction?

01:38:00.000 I don't know how he did it.

01:38:01.000 How is that possible?

01:38:02.000 That's what we call posers though, brother.

01:38:04.000 That's what we call the posers.

01:38:05.000 I never heard that.

01:38:07.000 He had a certificate on his wall that said Gracie's Combative Certificate.

01:38:10.000 But that would be a giant scandal in the MMA and jiu-jitsu community if so.

01:38:14.000 Composers, you know, yeah.

01:38:15.000 But I don't think a black belt, is that real?

01:38:18.000 I mean, we have to be real careful about this.

01:38:19.000 I'm being totally serious.

01:38:20.000 You really can get a black belt online?

01:38:22.000 No, I don't know about, this guy said he did.

01:38:24.000 Oh.

01:38:25.000 This guy said he did.

01:38:26.000 Fake posers, guys, you know how that goes.

01:38:28.000 He was trying to tell me that he had a black belt under the Gracie's.

01:38:31.000 You're weed, goddammit.

01:38:33.000 What the fuck have you done to my brain?

01:38:35.000 I'm telling you.

01:38:36.000 Oh, I got, okay, I was confused.

01:38:37.000 I'm sorry.

01:38:39.000 I thought you were saying okay got it so so then I realized like this this guy don't know shit right so I'm fucking pumped right I'm thinking I call his ass I'm like bro we're gonna kill it out here right so get on the phone and call my wife I'm like man I just in his school they got like 40 students in here and this guy sucks like we're gonna kill it right and I'm on the phone with her and all of a sudden I see this big truck come in the parking lot like speeding right like And I'm like, fuck, this is crazy, right?

01:39:05.000 And this other car, to the other side.

01:39:07.000 And all of a sudden, this guy jumps out of the black truck.

01:39:11.000 They pull up right on me, like this.

01:39:13.000 And this guy jumps out, and he's like, full fucking body armor, bro.

01:39:17.000 Jumps out, running at me.

01:39:19.000 Everybody, get on the ground, get on it.

01:39:21.000 I just turned square up with this guy, right?

01:39:23.000 Square up, and he's like, ugh!

01:39:25.000 Like, tries to stop.

01:39:25.000 He takes a digger, falls into the fucking curb, into the planter.

01:39:29.000 So I turn around, I'm like, looking to fight with this other guy, and then I realize, like, fucking helicopters, news vans, 23, fucking 25. You have no idea why they're attacking you.

01:39:38.000 I have no clue what's going on.

01:39:39.000 That is fucking crazy.

01:39:41.000 So they slam me on the ground, start fucking me up, right?

01:39:44.000 Get me all twisted up and shit.

01:39:46.000 And this guy comes over and he's like, we got you, motherfucker.

01:39:49.000 You're going down.

01:39:50.000 You're going down, motherfucker.

01:39:51.000 And I'm like, whoa, whoa.

01:39:53.000 Like, what the hell is going on?

01:39:54.000 I'm like, bro, you guys got the wrong guy.

01:39:56.000 Like, you got the wrong guy, dude.

01:39:58.000 And this guy puts this picture of me down.

01:40:01.000 And he's like, I don't think so, motherfucker.

01:40:02.000 You're going down.

01:40:03.000 And I'm looking at my picture.

01:40:05.000 I'm like, how the fuck?

01:40:06.000 I said, what am I going down for, bro?

01:40:07.000 He goes, you're going to have a kidnapping, bitch.

01:40:10.000 And I go, kidnapping?

01:40:11.000 I don't even have my daughter with me.

01:40:14.000 You said that?

01:40:15.000 Well, I had just gone to court a few months prior.

01:40:18.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:40:20.000 So I raised my daughter from 18 months old until she was about six.

01:40:26.000 And I got married about five and a half or so.

01:40:29.000 So I got married.

01:40:30.000 So I raised her for a handful of years by myself.

01:40:33.000 Mom peeled out to Florida.

01:40:35.000 She's my girl.

01:40:36.000 Love you guys, Brooke Riley.

01:40:39.000 Love you guys to death.

01:40:40.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:40:40.000 Shoutouts.

01:40:41.000 My kids are awesome.

01:40:43.000 So you think that someone is saying that you have kidnapped your child?

01:40:47.000 Yeah, and I got all this court documentation saying I can move my kid from California to Atlanta.

01:40:53.000 The secondhand smoke in this room is very potent.

01:40:56.000 You're going to have to keep me on track, too, then.

01:40:57.000 Okay, that's what I'm saying.

01:40:59.000 Stay on track.

01:41:00.000 Sorry.

01:41:01.000 So, uh, I've even fucking forgot where I was at now.

01:41:04.000 Town!

01:41:04.000 Oh, I knew it!

01:41:06.000 You're talking about them putting the fucking shit in your face.

01:41:09.000 The picture and shit.

01:41:11.000 Yeah.

01:41:11.000 Okay, so...

01:41:12.000 They have the photo of you and the rest warrant.

01:41:14.000 Okay, so I get the court paperwork to allow me to move my daughter there.

01:41:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:19.000 Right.

01:41:19.000 So they're telling me, oh, no, you're kidnapping.

01:41:21.000 This is what you got.

01:41:23.000 And I'm going, no, no, I have court paperwork to prove that I did not kidnap my daughter.

01:41:27.000 Like, I've been raising my daughter.

01:41:28.000 And he's like, I don't know.

01:41:29.000 You're going to jail, though, bro.

01:41:31.000 So I go to jail, but everything out there in Atlanta, different area codes and stuff, right?

01:41:37.000 So I get on their phone.

01:41:38.000 I can't call long distance to let anybody know I'm arrested.

01:41:42.000 So now I'm sitting in this holding tank for like six days.

01:41:46.000 My wife's trying to figure out where the fuck I'm at.

01:41:49.000 Everybody's trying to figure out where I'm at.

01:41:51.000 And then it starts going down.

01:41:53.000 Everybody starts figuring out, oh, he got arrested.

01:41:56.000 And it was like all these crazy rumors and shit going around, you know?

01:41:59.000 And then it just leads into this whole process of this crazy case, right?

01:42:06.000 I'm in Atlanta.

01:42:07.000 I'm there now, locked up for about three months or so.

01:42:12.000 They extradite me back to California.

01:42:16.000 But anything okay to extradite back to California?

01:42:18.000 Not bad, right?

01:42:19.000 Bullshit.

01:42:20.000 I look like fucking Hannibal Lecter, dude.

01:42:22.000 They fucking put me in this shit.

01:42:24.000 I'm handcuffed, shackled, walking through the airport like this.

01:42:28.000 And I never done anything wrong.

01:42:31.000 I never had a speeding ticket, bro.

01:42:32.000 I never had a nothing.

01:42:34.000 I went from sleeping on a $15,000 bed to sleeping on a metal fucking rack.

01:42:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:38.000 With no pad, concrete floor, use a milk carton for a pillow.

01:42:44.000 Stupid shit, you know?

01:42:45.000 That's what I'm really trying to get them to understand, the audience and stuff.

01:42:48.000 Because I went to jail for my first time, too.

01:42:51.000 And it was such an experience for somebody who's been...

01:42:55.000 When I went to jail, I had already started getting money.

01:42:58.000 And to understand, this isn't normal.

01:43:01.000 And to be in it, it's a crazy experience that I'm trying to get people to understand.

01:43:06.000 For people that are the normal, that you ain't been in jail, you don't do bad, and you don't, and then you go in there with the people that this is normal to them.

01:43:14.000 It's a different wave.

01:43:17.000 Yeah, totally different thought processes.

01:43:20.000 So how did you eventually get out?

01:43:24.000 He's still got so much shit in between there.

01:43:28.000 Am I interrupting the storyline?

01:43:30.000 I'm a fast forward type of dude.

01:43:32.000 How much of it do you want to know, really?

01:43:34.000 Anything that's interesting.

01:43:36.000 Just tell me what happened.

01:43:37.000 Oh my god, dude.

01:43:38.000 So, first day.

01:43:39.000 First day in jail.

01:43:40.000 One day I feel like I want to write a book eventually about this whole story, this journey.

01:43:47.000 And I feel like the journey's not justified unless we fight for a world title.

01:43:52.000 That's kind of how I feel.

01:43:55.000 That'll give me the credibility to be able to tell my story.

01:43:58.000 So it's been this journey of like...

01:44:00.000 We're grinding, trying to prove that we're good enough to be there, you know what I mean?

01:44:04.000 We're getting there, and then he gets fucking locked up right when we're getting there.

01:44:08.000 I get signed to Strikeforce and all that other stuff right when he gets locked up.

01:44:12.000 Yeah.

01:44:13.000 Basically, they did some sideways shit at King of the Cage in his contract, and I had the contract.

01:44:19.000 Okay.

01:44:19.000 But I'm locked up and I don't have access to the contract.

01:44:21.000 It's in my filing system at my school, right?

01:44:24.000 So I have to get access to this contract now, get it to the right people, so that we can get him out of his...

01:44:30.000 While you're in jail?

01:44:31.000 Yeah.

01:44:32.000 So I'm on the phone talking to Terry and talking to Shingo and a couple other people, you know, and we're going through this whole thing, and I'm like, no, that's not in the contract.

01:44:40.000 That's not in the contract.

01:44:41.000 And they're trying to hold on to him and keep him and...

01:44:47.000 Basically, he was supposed to get a rematch with Tim Means.

01:44:50.000 So they say, okay, no, you got to beat Dom O'Grady.

01:44:52.000 So now we fight Dom O'Grady.

01:44:54.000 And this whole time, I'm locked up.

01:44:56.000 He's fighting these fights.

01:44:57.000 I got a phone, right?

01:44:58.000 So I get a smartphone from awesome CO in there.

01:45:02.000 It's just like blessed me, you know?

01:45:05.000 So I come in and I'm working on my phone and I start scrolling through and we, okay, now we're fighting Jay-Z Cavaconte.

01:45:12.000 He's doing all the fight work and breaking the fighters down from jail.

01:45:15.000 What they're doing, watching videos on them, their habits.

01:45:17.000 Oh, you had a whole internet connection and everything?

01:45:21.000 Everything worked.

01:45:22.000 I had the baddest phone that was out at the time.

01:45:25.000 Yeah, he'd make sure he paid $1 for it.

01:45:28.000 How much of that's going on?

01:45:30.000 Oh, tons of it.

01:45:32.000 Like, there's a phone everywhere in there.

01:45:34.000 Really?

01:45:34.000 Yeah.

01:45:35.000 It's a big business, you know?

01:45:36.000 Like, if you think about it, break it down.

01:45:38.000 Huge money.

01:45:38.000 Of course.

01:45:39.000 Poor fucking cell phones.

01:45:40.000 Of course.

01:45:41.000 It's already a lot of money on the outs, you know?

01:45:44.000 So the people go on the outside that don't understand how the system works, you know?

01:45:48.000 They're like, oh, how did he get these phones in there, you know?

01:45:51.000 How did he get drugs in there?

01:45:52.000 Well, how the fuck do you think they get in there?

01:45:54.000 The fucking CO's that work there are making extra money.

01:45:58.000 Don't be ratting them out though, bro.

01:46:00.000 I don't have no names.

01:46:01.000 I'm not a rat, that's for sure.

01:46:03.000 How many of them are there so we don't have to worry about one of them being obviously them?

01:46:09.000 I would say honestly, I met maybe 10% of the CO's in there are actually really good guys.

01:46:16.000 I knew a guy who was, he worked security at a prison.

01:46:16.000 No, that's cool.

01:46:20.000 He was a real nice guy, but he carried it with him.

01:46:23.000 Yeah.

01:46:23.000 Carried it with him, all those dudes being trapped.

01:46:26.000 He would go to visit them when he worked there, and then leave and go home to his family and be able to drive around.

01:46:31.000 He carried with him, like, there was like a certain amount of sorrow involved in it.

01:46:35.000 What do you mean by that?

01:46:37.000 Because, you know, he's a prison guard for these folks that don't want to be there.

01:46:41.000 You're trapped in this environment that you've been sentenced to.

01:46:46.000 You have to, boom, the door shuts and you're locked in and this guy was one of the people that was supposed to be In charge of keeping these people in line, you know, and they have this relationship.

01:46:57.000 You get to know each other.

01:46:58.000 Yes.

01:46:59.000 You talk to the CO. Was he a CO or was he...

01:47:01.000 He was some security guard.

01:47:03.000 I was a kid.

01:47:04.000 I don't know what exactly he was.

01:47:06.000 I was 21 or 20, 21 at the time.

01:47:09.000 And, you know, he would just talk about it.

01:47:11.000 It was hard.

01:47:12.000 They say that you're doing time with you.

01:47:15.000 Man, that's like...

01:47:17.000 That is not...

01:47:19.000 I'm sure some of them are fucking assholes.

01:47:21.000 Man, here's the thing.

01:47:22.000 I see this...

01:47:23.000 I got to go on the other side of the fence.

01:47:26.000 So in my program, in my academy that I had, I had a lot of COs come through my academy.

01:47:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:31.000 Had a lot of sheriffs, a lot of cops come through my academy.

01:47:34.000 I always gave them extra shit, like extra help, extra this, extra philosophy.

01:47:38.000 So they knew you were cool.

01:47:39.000 No, but these guys weren't in with me.

01:47:42.000 They're at different institutions, right?

01:47:43.000 So they didn't know that...

01:47:46.000 I had not been in the institution yet while I was working with these guys at the time.

01:47:50.000 So I have this understanding of what their personality's like, what their character's like, just from them being in my program, right?

01:47:56.000 Right.

01:47:57.000 Okay, then you take that guy and now you put him in an environment.

01:48:01.000 In his environment.

01:48:02.000 Yes.

01:48:03.000 Like he's in our environment, so he's a little more humble, his character's a little bit different, he's getting his ass kicked in the room, and then you put him in that environment where now he got a badge, he got a billy club, or he got a whatever, and this guy's a different character.

01:48:16.000 Now he's abusing his power.

01:48:18.000 He's fucking with guys.

01:48:20.000 And this is where all the problems occur because nobody in there have a problem with these COs.

01:48:25.000 They don't have a problem with the cops.

01:48:26.000 They don't have a problem with them.

01:48:27.000 They only have a problem with them if they're fucking with them.

01:48:30.000 So these COs get in there and some of them train.

01:48:35.000 Man, I'm going to tell you right now, there's a guy that was in there.

01:48:38.000 They fucked with me.

01:48:39.000 And I found out he trained at a school locally, not far from our school.

01:48:44.000 And I went to visit the school.

01:48:46.000 I went to go and roll on open mat that day.

01:48:49.000 And he see me and he took off.

01:48:52.000 But I only say this because, like, if they don't abuse their power, the system is not that bad on the inside.

01:48:59.000 Do you think as a person who's been inside that it is just a natural inclination that some people have to abuse that kind of supreme power, like the kind of power that a security guard has over a guy who is locked up inside a cell in front of him?

01:49:15.000 That's a crazy power.

01:49:16.000 You could open the door.

01:49:17.000 You could keep it locked.

01:49:19.000 You could give them food or not give them food.

01:49:21.000 Or not.

01:49:21.000 Or give them a phone or not give them a phone.

01:49:23.000 It's crazy that kind of power over a human being.

01:49:26.000 What a super unnatural environment to force upon people and under the guise of, I guess, punishment, but the idea that you're getting rehabilitated while that's happening.

01:49:40.000 There's no rehabilitation in there.

01:49:41.000 The whole programs and everything, they're all bullshit.

01:49:44.000 It's just a bunch of bullshit.

01:49:45.000 But what do you do?

01:49:46.000 I mean, how do you know when there's a situation like yours versus a situation where somebody really did rob somebody?

01:49:53.000 Oh, there's a lot of guilty people in there, bro.

01:49:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:57.000 And some people change, some people don't change.

01:50:00.000 You know, like one of my best friends, Richard Vasek, I met in there.

01:50:06.000 And he had done juvenile life for gang killing, right?

01:50:14.000 Oof.

01:50:14.000 So this kid goes into the system.

01:50:18.000 I'll tie this into when I met him, right?

01:50:20.000 So what ends up happening is...

01:50:22.000 I get transferred from a level 4 to a level 2. And the politics is much different, the situation is much safer in a level 2. But I'm new to all this, right?

01:50:36.000 I want you to tell them the first day that you got in.

01:50:38.000 That's what I want you to tell them.

01:50:41.000 If you don't know, you'll run into a roadblock.

01:50:48.000 You'll get caught up with more time, more problems.

01:50:52.000 So explain.

01:50:53.000 There's just unwritten rules.

01:50:55.000 There's rules.

01:50:56.000 You can't walk through this area.

01:50:58.000 You can't say this word.

01:50:59.000 You say punk, you say bitch, you've got to fight.

01:51:01.000 If you don't fight, then you're a bitch, you're a punk.

01:51:03.000 Everybody's going to come take your shit.

01:51:05.000 So if somebody calls you a bitch or a punk, it's just fire.

01:51:09.000 And you don't know that.

01:51:10.000 You don't know that.

01:51:12.000 I didn't know that.

01:51:13.000 I used to mess around with all my friends.

01:51:15.000 I used to mess around with all my friends, right?

01:51:16.000 We'd be joking around.

01:51:17.000 Oh, whatever, bitch.

01:51:18.000 Yeah, it was cool in the streets.

01:51:20.000 And you slip like that in there.

01:51:21.000 It's different.

01:51:22.000 It's on.

01:51:23.000 It's on.

01:51:24.000 Wow.

01:51:25.000 Yeah, I had that problem.

01:51:26.000 Like, I called my friends, aw, bro, you've been a little bitch.

01:51:28.000 Like, black guys would be like, hey, because they still got it from jail.

01:51:31.000 They'd be like, hey.

01:51:32.000 They'd look at me like.

01:51:33.000 Check you.

01:51:34.000 Yeah, they'd look at me with that look like.

01:51:35.000 You know, we've been, we got them codes, you know?

01:51:38.000 And I'd be like, you know, it ain't like, I don't, you're my fucking brother.

01:51:42.000 I don't mean it like that.

01:51:43.000 Wow, it just sticks.

01:51:44.000 But he'll give me that look for a second.

01:51:45.000 Yeah, he's still got it in him.

01:51:47.000 So I originally get picked up in Atlanta, right?

01:51:50.000 So I get picked up in Atlanta, take me to Atlanta, Joe, I go and put me in this modular and I go in this modular and there's black people and all the different races, right?

01:51:57.000 Well, over there they don't politic like we do in California, right?

01:52:00.000 So this is my first understanding of how this system works, right?

01:52:04.000 So I go in there and the only thing that you can't do in that system is you can't eat at the same table with a different race.

01:52:11.000 Besides that, once you're up from the dinner table, I can trade with any race.

01:52:16.000 I could do whatever, talk to them, chop it up.

01:52:18.000 But you have to eat with people of your own race only?

01:52:21.000 Only.

01:52:21.000 Wow.

01:52:22.000 And they tell you this?

01:52:24.000 So somebody informs you?

01:52:26.000 Oh yeah.

01:52:27.000 I got informed when I went in.

01:52:29.000 So when I moved from Atlanta to California, California politics is much different.

01:52:33.000 You can't trade with blacks.

01:52:36.000 You can't trade with others.

01:52:38.000 You can't trade with...

01:52:39.000 So you can only do trade with your race, and then the whites get along with the essays.

01:52:44.000 So what ended up happening is like, so you have others, which are any other race besides Mexican white or black.

01:52:50.000 And this is a car.

01:52:51.000 It's called a car, right?

01:52:52.000 So everybody has a car.

01:52:53.000 Their own race.

01:52:54.000 So you have woods.

01:52:55.000 You have skinheads.

01:52:56.000 You have paisas.

01:52:57.000 You got Mexicans.

01:52:59.000 You got Crips, Bloods, and others.

01:53:01.000 And the paisas roll with the Mexicans.

01:53:02.000 The skinheads roll with the woods.

01:53:04.000 Yeah.

01:53:05.000 And if something really pops off, some race shit, then Mexicans and the whites will click up against the blacks.

01:53:10.000 It's always on them against us.

01:53:13.000 It always sucked to be.

01:53:14.000 It sucked to be black in them times.

01:53:15.000 I'm telling you, real shit.

01:53:16.000 But we get it.

01:53:17.000 Hey, but we thumped, though.

01:53:18.000 We thumped.

01:53:20.000 So we always knock them out anyway.

01:53:21.000 So you start trying to figure out this shit, you know?

01:53:23.000 Like, you get thrown into that fire, and you're trying to figure out all these unwritten rules, you know?

01:53:27.000 There's no rule book, law book come in and say, hey, do this, this, this, this.

01:53:30.000 Yeah.

01:53:31.000 You know?

01:53:32.000 So a guy could really direct you in the wrong way if he wants to, you know what I mean?

01:53:35.000 Like, tell you some sideways shit, and next thing you know, you're in a wreck.

01:53:39.000 Ooh.

01:53:40.000 So I go in...

01:53:40.000 Set you up.

01:53:41.000 So I go in...

01:53:45.000 This was actually my second experience, my first experience in there, but my second experience, I go in, they put me into a psych ward, a psych watch, getting extradited from Atlanta to here.

01:53:57.000 And so I go into this area, and I don't know anything, you know, and this black guy in the psych ward is like yelling in this module, you know, like, anybody want to learn how to play chess?

01:54:07.000 Anybody want to learn how to play chess, you know?

01:54:09.000 And I was like, hell yeah, I want to learn how to play chess, right?

01:54:12.000 So I walk over, I sit down with this fool, and he starts showing me how to play chess.

01:54:17.000 But it's a black guy at a black guy table, and I'm a white guy.

01:54:21.000 So now I just sat down at this black guy table, and all the woods and all the skinheads in there are now against me.

01:54:27.000 Oh, no.

01:54:28.000 But I didn't know.

01:54:29.000 Oh, no.

01:54:30.000 You had no idea.

01:54:31.000 I had no idea.

01:54:32.000 Oh, no.

01:54:33.000 Right?

01:54:33.000 So now...

01:54:33.000 It's a no-no.

01:54:34.000 Yeah.

01:54:35.000 So now, my cell pops, and I go to walk to the shower, and I walk past the other cell that pops, which is another skinhead in that room, and I go walk past his cell, and it's smack.

01:54:48.000 Right?

01:54:49.000 So now we're fighting.

01:54:51.000 Wow.

01:54:52.000 You know?

01:54:52.000 So clean this kid up.

01:54:55.000 Now they move me to another module.

01:54:58.000 So now this kid put a kite out, like, oh, we got to get this guy, because da-da-da-da-da.

01:55:03.000 Oh, fun.

01:55:04.000 Yeah.

01:55:05.000 So I'm moving this other module.

01:55:08.000 At the time, the institution had a lot of skinheads in there, and the skinheads will politic hard.

01:55:13.000 Like, if they have numbers, then they'll push the politics, you know?

01:55:16.000 And I looked like a skinhead when I went in.

01:55:19.000 I had no hair, you know?

01:55:20.000 Like, just a bald guy going in there, you know what I mean?

01:55:23.000 So they all start treating me like I'm one of them.

01:55:27.000 But I'm not a fucking skinhead.

01:55:29.000 So this guy come over and he's trying to get me to hide this little shank in my cell.

01:55:33.000 Well, that's weapons manufacturing.

01:55:34.000 It carries two more years.

01:55:36.000 Oh my god.

01:55:37.000 That's how people start getting hit.

01:55:38.000 You start catching cases, more cases.

01:55:40.000 When you're only gonna do two, now you're doing ten.

01:55:42.000 Mmm.

01:55:43.000 It just stacks up, but go ahead.

01:55:44.000 And then there's intimidation factor, right?

01:55:47.000 So this guy got a big ass swastika tattooed on his face right here.

01:55:51.000 Teardrops, lightning bolts everywhere, you know what I mean?

01:55:53.000 Like, he's a lifer, you know?

01:55:56.000 Right.

01:55:56.000 So, big shit goes down, I end up choking this guy unconscious.

01:56:01.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:56:02.000 Drag him out of my cell because he's trying to get me to hold this shake in my cell.

01:56:06.000 I'm not doing this, bro.

01:56:08.000 And you come in my cell, it's on.

01:56:09.000 Right.

01:56:10.000 So now we're fighting.

01:56:12.000 Take this guy out, right?

01:56:13.000 Choke him out, beat him up, drag him out, hit him with some elbows.

01:56:16.000 Now he's leaking.

01:56:17.000 So drag his ass out into the little modular.

01:56:19.000 So do they know you can fight before you're in here?

01:56:21.000 No.

01:56:22.000 No.

01:56:22.000 How long before they figure it out?

01:56:25.000 Well, it took a minute.

01:56:26.000 It took a minute because most of the fighting goes on in the cell or in a shower.

01:56:31.000 So when the fight actually broke out in the open, I was fighting multiple people is what happened.

01:56:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:56:36.000 And then all the fucking guards watched.

01:56:38.000 Everybody's watching from their cells.

01:56:40.000 You know, like, this is a different time.

01:56:42.000 So this whole incident takes place.

01:56:43.000 I beat this guy up, take him out of my cell, right?

01:56:46.000 Now they take him away.

01:56:48.000 They move this guy out of the modular.

01:56:50.000 Did they get mad at you?

01:56:51.000 No, they just come in, you know, they don't really care.

01:56:54.000 The guards don't give a shit.

01:56:55.000 They don't give a shit.

01:56:56.000 So you fucked that dude up.

01:56:57.000 Is he out cold?

01:56:59.000 I choked him unconscious.

01:57:00.000 Do they have to ask him what his story is?

01:57:02.000 I don't give a fuck.

01:57:03.000 But they don't ask you?

01:57:05.000 They just let you go?

01:57:06.000 It's okay?

01:57:08.000 Is there a punishment?

01:57:09.000 That's what I'm getting at.

01:57:10.000 They locked me in my cell.

01:57:11.000 I couldn't get on my cell for like two weeks.

01:57:13.000 Oh, for two weeks?

01:57:15.000 Just alone in yourself, constant.

01:57:15.000 Yeah.

01:57:18.000 Nothing but yourself.

01:57:19.000 They won't pop the door.

01:57:19.000 So what happens is for a certain amount of hours of the day, they got to pop the door and let you into a bigger cell, a bigger room.

01:57:25.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:26.000 So I just couldn't get into the day room for like two weeks.

01:57:30.000 But the crazy shit of it all is, like I'm trying to tell you, I'm trying to learn this system, right?

01:57:35.000 There's new rules.

01:57:36.000 So what happens is this kid, this guy...

01:57:39.000 Okay, we talk about the cars and the races, right?

01:57:41.000 So each race has their own car, which means there's a key holder.

01:57:44.000 And the key holder to that car controls the race.

01:57:47.000 So they make decisions for the race.

01:57:49.000 They try to keep other races out of car wrecks.

01:57:51.000 Like, now we've got to feud with the blacks or we've got to feud with the Mexicans or whatever.

01:57:55.000 They call them car wrecks.

01:57:56.000 Yeah.

01:57:56.000 Well, if we get in a fight with them...

01:57:59.000 The key holder is the guy that can communicate with the other key holders to the races and try and keep peace.

01:58:04.000 They don't go and delegate it.

01:58:04.000 Wow.

01:58:05.000 Yeah.

01:58:06.000 And so I didn't have it happen.

01:58:08.000 We were going to get down with the Mexicans and then our keys will go and they keys and we're going to jump.

01:58:12.000 We're getting ready to jump and they shake hands.

01:58:14.000 All right.

01:58:15.000 It ain't going.

01:58:16.000 And then it go back down.

01:58:18.000 So, yeah.

01:58:19.000 And you're trying to figure all this out.

01:58:20.000 So what happened was I beat this fool's ass and now I got the keys.

01:58:25.000 Oh, wow.

01:58:26.000 But I can't have the keys because I'm a first-termer.

01:58:28.000 So a first-termer is not allowed to have the keys.

01:58:30.000 But nobody wanted to try to take the keys from me.

01:58:33.000 So in order for them to take the keys from me, they've got to fight me to take the keys away from me.

01:58:36.000 Oh, boy.

01:58:37.000 So that kind of changed the dynamics of the room because now I'm able to navigate with these other races and have these conversations with these fucking ignorant people that don't understand how to really...

01:58:52.000 Talk.

01:58:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:53.000 Like how to communicate and keep things cool.

01:58:56.000 They misunderstand what this guy says or misinterpret what this guy says.

01:59:00.000 The next thing you know, it's hot for everybody, you know?

01:59:02.000 And it's just misinterpretations.

01:59:04.000 Yeah, because they're dumb.

01:59:05.000 Most of these guys are dumb, bro.

01:59:09.000 In some ways, you're sitting there listening to these guys.

01:59:12.000 You're like, these guys really think this shit?

01:59:14.000 Fighting about the dumbest shit.

01:59:18.000 Cities fighting over teams, fighting over...

01:59:23.000 Just the dumbest shit.

01:59:24.000 Xbox and Playstation.

01:59:26.000 And somebody said something wrong and then that escalated into something that was personal.

01:59:30.000 Yeah.

01:59:31.000 That's quick.

01:59:32.000 So now they take me from there.

01:59:33.000 That incident takes place, right?

01:59:35.000 And we resolve some of that stuff.

01:59:36.000 But now these guys are in different modules.

01:59:39.000 So now they're putting these kites out to try and get me as I'm going to court.

01:59:42.000 So what happens is they catch a chain with some guys.

01:59:45.000 And then we go into these holding tanks.

01:59:47.000 All these different holding tanks.

01:59:48.000 And you get put in that holding tank with that guy that got a kite that's looking for you.

01:59:52.000 And now it's on.

01:59:53.000 It's cracking.

01:59:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:55.000 Whoa.

01:59:56.000 So I'm sitting in my cell.

01:59:57.000 I'm getting ready to go to court.

01:59:58.000 And there's two huge ass guys.

02:00:00.000 And they're in there talking to each other about trying to get me.

02:00:03.000 But they don't know that it's me.

02:00:05.000 So I'm sitting in there.

02:00:06.000 I'm listening to everything that they're trying to do and how they're going to try and set this shit up.

02:00:09.000 And I'm sitting right in front of them.

02:00:10.000 And they don't even realize it's me.

02:00:12.000 Wow.

02:00:13.000 And I'm thinking, honestly, I'm like, these are big motherfuckers.

02:00:16.000 I'm thinking, they're going to take me out.

02:00:18.000 Like, there's only so much you can do.

02:00:20.000 You know what I mean?

02:00:21.000 Numbers.

02:00:22.000 So, I make it through that whole process, and I catch the chain.

02:00:27.000 And when I catch the chain, they take you from county to state.

02:00:31.000 And I catch the chain with the same asshole that I got into it with that I took the keys from.

02:00:37.000 Oh my goodness.

02:00:38.000 He's been in the system a long time, right?

02:00:42.000 So now we catch the chain.

02:00:43.000 We go over to Donovan, R.J. Donovan.

02:00:45.000 It's four yards.

02:00:47.000 Level four.

02:00:50.000 Do you know how that works?

02:00:51.000 No.

02:00:52.000 Level four being the highest level, most dangerous criminals.

02:00:55.000 Most dangerous people.

02:00:56.000 Yeah.

02:00:56.000 The next level is Superdome in San Diego.

02:00:58.000 So why'd they bring you to a level four?

02:01:00.000 Because of my charges.

02:01:02.000 My charges.

02:01:04.000 Because those charges were so intense, they put you in with those people, you know?

02:01:04.000 Kidnapping.

02:01:09.000 Yeah.

02:01:10.000 Holy shit.

02:01:11.000 So I catch the chain, right?

02:01:12.000 I go over there, I catch the chain, and this guy's just like, I'm gonna fucking kill you.

02:01:18.000 I'm gonna kill you.

02:01:19.000 We're gonna get you, you know?

02:01:21.000 And I'm just thinking the whole time, like, if this chain comes off, I'm going to rip this guy's ass apart again, you know what I mean?

02:01:26.000 So I go into reception, and we're in a cell block.

02:01:30.000 It's like 360 degrees with a gunner and all this stuff, some desks to come check you in.

02:01:34.000 And now our cell's like, we don't get out of our cell now until they intake us, right?

02:01:39.000 So now I'm in there.

02:01:40.000 It's like three months.

02:01:43.000 There's this guy next door.

02:01:45.000 We start talking through the vent to each other a little bit, you know?

02:01:48.000 And we're playing chess and shit, like through the little vent.

02:01:52.000 Moving pieces around and shit.

02:01:53.000 And they call me out to the day, to the thing, talk to the officers.

02:01:56.000 And this guy goes, I don't know this guy in the cell next to me.

02:02:00.000 And I walk past his cell and I hear him yell through the thing.

02:02:00.000 Right.

02:02:03.000 He's like, hey, bro, kick that cord over to me.

02:02:06.000 I'm like, kick your cord over.

02:02:07.000 He's like, that cord right there, kick that cord over to me when you're coming by.

02:02:11.000 And I'm like...

02:02:12.000 What the fuck does he want this cord for, you know?

02:02:15.000 It was connected to this fan, right?

02:02:17.000 So when I come back, I kick this cord over, and I wasn't going to do it, but I was like, fuck it, right?

02:02:22.000 So I kick this cord over there, and next thing you know, in the night, I get this fish come through, right?

02:02:27.000 Like they make a string, right, with a thing on it, and then swing it out into your cell.

02:02:33.000 And you take this kite, and then you can read the information on it or whatever, you know?

02:02:36.000 So I kite it around to everybody and get it to who they needed to get it to, right?

02:02:40.000 Okay.

02:02:41.000 So this guy shoots this little sheet kite over to me.

02:02:43.000 I open it up and it's a fucking sack of weed, dude.

02:02:46.000 Right?

02:02:47.000 And I'm like, that's why this dude wanted that cord.

02:02:49.000 He took that cord and he started a wick.

02:02:51.000 So he started a fire and he had a bag of weed.

02:02:54.000 So now he's smoking weed and the whole cell is like full of weed, bro.

02:02:58.000 And he shoots it.

02:02:59.000 I say, bro, I can't have this.

02:03:00.000 Like, I try to shoot that shit back to him.

02:03:02.000 He's like, nah, you got to keep it.

02:03:04.000 You get coffee with it.

02:03:05.000 You get whatever you need, you know?

02:03:06.000 And I'm like, oh shit, okay, you know?

02:03:08.000 So my other celly that was in there, he was like, I'll take it.

02:03:11.000 And I was like, fuck yeah, take that shit.

02:03:13.000 So I got a bunch of canteen and shit, you know, like coffee and stuff for it.

02:03:18.000 So this guy like really, really was like thankful I did it for him, you know, like kick this cord.

02:03:23.000 So I never seen his face, like never seen this guy's face, right?

02:03:26.000 Just hear him talking through the thing.

02:03:29.000 And so the guy caught the chain with puts this hit on me, like they want to try and try and stab me, right?

02:03:39.000 So it goes around to the other key holders.

02:03:45.000 The fucking guy next to me was a key holder for the Bloods.

02:03:49.000 He's a black guy.

02:03:50.000 Because I kicked that cord over to him, he hit me up through the cell.

02:03:54.000 He's like, hey, he says, is your name Beanie?

02:03:57.000 And I was like, fuck, right?

02:04:01.000 I go back over to the vent, right?

02:04:04.000 And I said, no.

02:04:09.000 And he goes, oh, good.

02:04:12.000 And I'm like, oh, good?

02:04:14.000 What the fuck do you do to me, right?

02:04:15.000 And I'm like, hey, I said, what if it was?

02:04:19.000 And he goes, what is it or not, fucker?

02:04:22.000 I go, well, it's not Beanie.

02:04:23.000 I go, it's Bainey.

02:04:24.000 And he goes, it's the same shit.

02:04:26.000 I go, okay, bro.

02:04:28.000 He's like, hey, I'm going to let you know.

02:04:30.000 They're going to pop this door and they're coming for you.

02:04:34.000 And I was like, really?

02:04:36.000 I was like, what do you mean?

02:04:37.000 He's like, they're going to come and get you when this door pops.

02:04:40.000 You're going to pop this door, and you're going to go to shower, and they're going to send some guys to come and get you.

02:04:45.000 Oof.

02:04:46.000 My other cellie, he knows already.

02:04:48.000 He didn't tell me.

02:04:51.000 In order for that to go down, they have to tell your cellie so your cellie can stay out of the fucking way.

02:04:56.000 So he knows about it.

02:04:57.000 He's known about it.

02:04:59.000 And now he tells me through the wall and now I know he knows about it.

02:05:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:03.000 And I'm living in this room with this guy.

02:05:05.000 So, door pops.

02:05:08.000 My celly takes off running out of the cell.

02:05:12.000 So I just posted up at the back of the cell, just waiting, you know?

02:05:16.000 And sure as shit, two guys come flying in.

02:05:19.000 One guy flying in trying to stab me.

02:05:21.000 And then we're fucking scrapping, wrapping all over the place.

02:05:24.000 Fall out of the cell.

02:05:25.000 We're up the stairs.

02:05:27.000 Fucking push the guy down the stairs.

02:05:29.000 We fall down the stairs.

02:05:30.000 I'm tired as fuck.

02:05:32.000 Like, fighting two guys, I'm tired.

02:05:34.000 I'm lumped up a little bit.

02:05:36.000 And I look over this way and I'm barely breathing.

02:05:39.000 Look over this way and all the fucking cops just watching.

02:05:41.000 They're just watching.

02:05:42.000 Oh my god.

02:05:44.000 So this other guy come over.

02:05:45.000 He's kicking, kicking, kicking.

02:05:46.000 I grab the other guy, drag him on top of me and I'm just choking him.

02:05:49.000 You know, I'm like trying to use him to deflect this guy from getting at me.

02:05:53.000 And then realize this guy's out.

02:05:53.000 Right.

02:05:56.000 He's not even awake.

02:05:58.000 Push him off me and now it's just me and this guy and everybody in the cells watching and all the cops watching.

02:06:04.000 So I just tear this fucking guy's ass up.

02:06:06.000 We leave, and this guy never got up.

02:06:10.000 The guy was choking.

02:06:12.000 Never got up.

02:06:14.000 Just eyes full of blood, right?

02:06:17.000 So they send me to another cell block.

02:06:23.000 I go in there, there for a couple days.

02:06:26.000 Guard comes in.

02:06:27.000 We're going to move you to the gymnasium.

02:06:31.000 So you move me to the gymnasium.

02:06:33.000 Now I'm out of the cell block.

02:06:34.000 I'm in a gym with 300 guys.

02:06:36.000 I can walk around.

02:06:37.000 I get yard access, all this stuff, right?

02:06:40.000 And the cop says, I really appreciate what you did for us out there.

02:06:44.000 He's like, that was pretty fucking amazing.

02:06:46.000 And I'm just thinking to myself, like, I want to get the fuck out of here.

02:06:49.000 Like, I can't be in here.

02:06:51.000 Like, I'm not going to make it out of this shit.

02:06:52.000 I used to get known to be that guy that's going around.

02:06:55.000 Oh, no.

02:06:55.000 And seeing your skills.

02:06:56.000 I had a similar thing happen to me.

02:06:58.000 First day in, first week in.

02:07:00.000 And I had to fight this one guy.

02:07:03.000 Like, that one guy beat the shit out of him.

02:07:05.000 And now they're like, oh, okay.

02:07:07.000 And now you're getting this, people are starting to see it.

02:07:10.000 This name, it comes with that.

02:07:10.000 Right.

02:07:11.000 And now people want you to teach him and different shit.

02:07:14.000 Like, he actually was in there working out with guys and teaching guys how to roll.

02:07:20.000 You're just trying to survive your time.

02:07:22.000 You know what I mean?

02:07:22.000 Like, not let the time do you.

02:07:23.000 How much time did you have to do?

02:07:24.000 I did a little over two years.

02:07:27.000 It was short, you know what I mean?

02:07:29.000 But in the grand scheme of things, it was really long.

02:07:31.000 I did 90 days, okay?

02:07:33.000 And it was the longest time, and I never go back to jail, and I never make those mistakes.

02:07:38.000 And I was for driving on a suspended license.

02:07:40.000 I did 90 days.

02:07:41.000 Imagine two years.

02:07:42.000 Like, fuck, he's in a short time.

02:07:44.000 No, it was a fucking forever.

02:07:45.000 Do you have any legal repercussions?

02:07:49.000 So, going back originally to this whole process was when they came in and offered me that deal when I hired that private investigator to figure out all this stuff that's going on.

02:08:00.000 It wasn't my judge.

02:08:03.000 It was a judge.

02:08:05.000 But it was my DA. So, as my DA, a judge, and my victim at this country club, we got on surveillance.

02:08:12.000 So, when we brought that in as evidence, I'm facing, the deal they gave me was 10 years with 85. And, I mean, I served 85% of my 10-year sentence.

02:08:23.000 So, the head judge, I don't know what he's called, comes in and he says, look, young man, this is the deal you're going to get today.

02:08:30.000 If you don't sign it, we're going to jury selection.

02:08:32.000 And it was two years with 85 with a strike.

02:08:36.000 I just said, okay.

02:08:38.000 You know, took the deal.

02:08:40.000 Jesus Christ.

02:08:42.000 Really what they wanted, they wanted him.

02:08:42.000 Took the deal.

02:08:44.000 So the 10 years with 85...

02:08:46.000 Being a rat.

02:08:46.000 The 10 years for 85...

02:08:50.000 When they came to me with another deal, the deal was county year, which means I go home because I already did six months.

02:08:58.000 So county year is a little six months, right?

02:09:01.000 I go home.

02:09:02.000 But I have to give him up.

02:09:04.000 And I have to give up my other guy that was with me.

02:09:07.000 So if I give them up, he gets two years.

02:09:10.000 Did they give you any indication why they wanted him?

02:09:13.000 Black guy.

02:09:15.000 We want the black guy, the African-American from San Bernardino.

02:09:18.000 That's what they kept saying.

02:09:21.000 And so how do you get out of this?

02:09:23.000 So, I've been in hiding.

02:09:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:25.000 I've been hiding, and that's why I wanted him to tell stories.

02:09:28.000 He kind of gets out of it because I don't say shit.

02:09:31.000 That's it.

02:09:34.000 So you stay in, and you would have had to have said something about him being guilty of something.

02:09:39.000 No.

02:09:40.000 That's what they wanted to do.

02:09:41.000 I wanted to call him and my buddy as witnesses.

02:09:44.000 So the pizza guy that showed up, and him and the other guy were...

02:09:48.000 I'm telling my attorney, no, no, that's not what happened.

02:09:50.000 I have witnesses.

02:09:51.000 But you're saying they're trying to get you to turn him in?

02:09:54.000 Yeah, because I'm saying I have witnesses, right?

02:09:56.000 So I'm telling my attorney, I said, hey, I have witnesses.

02:09:59.000 These guys were there.

02:09:59.000 And she said, no, no, no.

02:10:01.000 She goes, that's who they want.

02:10:02.000 Like, if you do that, we can get a deal.

02:10:05.000 But they will charge them with all the same crimes because they were there.

02:10:08.000 They were there and they didn't call the police, right?

02:10:10.000 So they get charged with all the same shit I got charged with.

02:10:13.000 So if you bring him in as a witness, they were going to charge him?

02:10:16.000 They will charge him right on the stand.

02:10:17.000 Oh, my goodness.

02:10:19.000 Yeah.

02:10:19.000 Oh my goodness.

02:10:21.000 So now I have no witnesses.

02:10:22.000 So it's a trap.

02:10:22.000 Yeah, I have no witnesses.

02:10:23.000 I can't call him.

02:10:25.000 And now I'm fucked.

02:10:26.000 I either have to give him up or...

02:10:29.000 And I can't...

02:10:30.000 You just can't do that.

02:10:31.000 Like, he came down there to help me.

02:10:33.000 You know what I mean?

02:10:33.000 Like, to look after the situation.

02:10:36.000 So I can't expect him to have to do that time, you know?

02:10:40.000 Jesus Christ.

02:10:41.000 So one time...

02:10:42.000 What a terrible predicament.

02:10:44.000 I'm driving in Fontana.

02:10:45.000 I get pulled over.

02:10:47.000 I'm like, oh, I'm Bobby Green, you know, yeah, like, a professional fighter, like, I talk to the officers, cool, you can give them respect, and yes sir, no sir.

02:10:54.000 Like, okay, cool.

02:10:55.000 They go back to the car.

02:10:57.000 Next, you know, they came back and they had guns drawn.

02:11:00.000 Boom, they had guns.

02:11:00.000 Show me your hands.

02:11:01.000 I was with me and my homie.

02:11:02.000 And they're like, show me your hands, show me your hands, show me your hands.

02:11:04.000 I'm like, what?

02:11:05.000 And I already knew what they were doing.

02:11:08.000 I already knew.

02:11:10.000 Because of what the, I was trying to tell you, I'll tie it in.

02:11:12.000 They were arguing.

02:11:13.000 Remember, I told you my dad and him were arguing about that laptop.

02:11:16.000 I didn't know what was going on with the laptop.

02:11:18.000 He was looking up the gym.

02:11:19.000 And on the gym's website, it's a picture of me.

02:11:23.000 Like this, Bobby Green.

02:11:24.000 And I got crosses on my forearms.

02:11:27.000 Right.

02:11:27.000 So I already put it together.

02:11:30.000 But somehow God gave it to me.

02:11:31.000 And I was like, so he's like, let me see your hands.

02:11:33.000 Let me see your hands.

02:11:33.000 But he didn't mean it like, put your hands up.

02:11:36.000 Oh, he wanted to see my hands.

02:11:38.000 Make sure you're really Bobby Green.

02:11:39.000 But no, but.

02:11:41.000 They're looking for tattoos.

02:11:42.000 They're looking for a certain Bobby Green.

02:11:44.000 So I'm showing my hands.

02:11:45.000 At the time I had no tattoos.

02:11:47.000 Nowhere but the crosses on my forearms.

02:11:49.000 I peeped it already.

02:11:50.000 So I'm showing them my hands and I'm going like this.

02:11:52.000 You can't see the crosses.

02:11:54.000 You don't even know I got tattoos.

02:11:55.000 I don't even look like I have tattoos at all without none of that.

02:11:58.000 So you couldn't see the crosses.

02:12:00.000 He's like, okay, the Bobby Green we're looking for has crosses on his hands.

02:12:04.000 They mistaked forearm for hand.

02:12:07.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:12:08.000 That's the only way I didn't get locked up.

02:12:11.000 Wow.

02:12:12.000 I drove off and I was like...

02:12:14.000 I went back into hiding for a long time again.

02:12:16.000 I had to fight under Ray Green.

02:12:19.000 I wasn't Bobby Green anymore, I was Ray Green.

02:12:23.000 It was crazy.

02:12:27.000 We were building up awesome momentum.

02:12:30.000 This guy's winning, this guy's winning, I'm winning, we're going to become the gem, the hotspot in Redlands, we're kicking it off, and he gets locked up, you know?

02:12:38.000 Reuben had just signed, my first student was Reuben Durant.

02:12:41.000 At the UFC, Reuben Durant.

02:12:43.000 And he fought, I think you commentated that fight when he fought his first fight against Takeya?

02:12:49.000 I think so.

02:12:51.000 And so Ruben was in the UFC. I'm kind of getting my way up there.

02:12:51.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:12:57.000 Aaron's gonna get his way up, and we're getting all this momentum.

02:13:00.000 We lose our leader.

02:13:02.000 We own five King of the Cage titles.

02:13:04.000 He didn't do nothing wrong.

02:13:05.000 It's crazy.

02:13:06.000 It's like, fuck.

02:13:07.000 And so now I'm stuck in a predicament where I gotta find a new coach.

02:13:10.000 I made a choice now.

02:13:11.000 I'm gonna go back to fighting.

02:13:12.000 And so I gotta find a new coach.

02:13:14.000 I lost my pop.

02:13:15.000 I meet this new coach, and I tell him, hey, My loyalty to this man, like, when he comes back, we're going back to what we do, but I'll work with you until then.

02:13:24.000 And that's where I met my new coach, Sam Mason, and I started working on my stand-up work, where my stand-up work comes from.

02:13:29.000 My jiu-jitsu and everything comes from my dad.

02:13:31.000 Did anybody ever try to discourage that style?

02:13:33.000 Because your style's super effective, but most people will tell you that this hands-down approach to fighting is super risky.

02:13:41.000 I felt, to be honest, I felt like...

02:13:44.000 You?

02:13:46.000 Daniel Cormier?

02:13:47.000 I don't want to say hate.

02:13:50.000 No.

02:13:51.000 I said, I don't want to say hate.

02:13:52.000 Definitely no, I don't hate you.

02:13:53.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:13:54.000 But not hate, but hate on me.

02:13:56.000 I'm not even hating on you.

02:13:56.000 No, they're talking about style.

02:13:59.000 I heard my critics tell me it wouldn't work.

02:14:02.000 It doesn't work.

02:14:03.000 I don't think there's anything that doesn't work.

02:14:06.000 I heard you guys say it like, I don't know why Bobby does that because he's trying to like block with his shoulder and that doesn't work for MMA. It works for boxing.

02:14:16.000 You're the only one that's pulled it off for MMA. Yes.

02:14:18.000 You pull it off.

02:14:20.000 I've seen it with you more even lately.

02:14:23.000 You're better at it now than you even were before.

02:14:25.000 But you're always good at it.

02:14:27.000 I really got with my stand-up instructor when he left and I started to hone those things in.

02:14:31.000 You roll very well with punches, too.

02:14:33.000 You're very good at catching it as it's coming at you and getting the shoulders up.

02:14:38.000 I really appreciate that, but those are the things that were costing me.

02:14:43.000 People don't understand it.

02:14:44.000 But what I was going to say is there's certain guys that can do that, and not only do they do that, they're elite of the elite.

02:14:51.000 Right?

02:14:52.000 Like that hands down approach, like Michael Venom Page.

02:14:54.000 Perfect example.

02:14:56.000 He's the elite of the elite.

02:14:57.000 And the way that guy moves is like, you know, good luck trying to keep up with where these things are coming from.

02:15:04.000 That's one of my dream fights.

02:15:05.000 You know, because I feel like my style...

02:15:08.000 Cyborg's skull?

02:15:09.000 Fuck.

02:15:10.000 I mean, I've never seen that.

02:15:12.000 Of all the years of fighting, his skull was like a bull.

02:15:16.000 That was crazy!

02:15:18.000 Yeah, I know, I know.

02:15:19.000 Those things that make you like, you sure you want to go fight?

02:15:21.000 Hurt my heart.

02:15:22.000 You sure you want to go fight?

02:15:24.000 And when he KOs you, it's like a scene in a fucking anime.

02:15:28.000 And so people ask me like, boom!

02:15:31.000 Go ahead, go ahead.

02:15:31.000 I'm sorry, sorry.

02:15:32.000 No, I have a lot of respect for him.

02:15:34.000 He's very good, but he's still raw.

02:15:36.000 He's still very raw.

02:15:37.000 But he has this skill that I always knew was going to be a big deal, and that's that point-fighting style.

02:15:44.000 See, the thing about all these styles is every style has its strengths and every style has its weaknesses, but one thing that was Mitzen was the ability to blitz.

02:15:54.000 And those karate guys have a blitz!

02:15:57.000 There was these dudes like Billy Blanks back in the day.

02:16:00.000 Stephen Thompson has it.

02:16:03.000 Yes, I knew he was going to go for the belt.

02:16:05.000 Yeah, Raymond Daniels is a perfect example.

02:16:08.000 Because him and Venom Page actually had point fighting matches.

02:16:11.000 I think you can find it online.

02:16:14.000 There's a point fighting match.

02:16:15.000 That's an elite skill.

02:16:18.000 It's an elite skill.

02:16:19.000 And they don't understand that.

02:16:20.000 So I didn't understand that until I met my stand-up instructor and that was one of his main bases was karate.

02:16:25.000 Karate is the first punch.

02:16:27.000 It's about getting that first attack off.

02:16:29.000 It's all like Bruce Lee figured it out about fencing.

02:16:32.000 Like Bruce Lee realized with fencing that there's this dart in movement that they got really good at.

02:16:37.000 Like a really good fencer can cover ground so quickly.

02:16:40.000 I took my guys to go train in fencing, actually, before I went to jail.

02:16:43.000 There you go.

02:16:44.000 I took them out to Palm Springs.

02:16:45.000 I think that's one of those things.

02:16:48.000 I think there's a few things that you'd almost be better if you started doing them first, like these two guys together.

02:16:55.000 Raymond Daniels and Venom?

02:16:57.000 Yes, this is 2009. That's how long they've been doing this.

02:17:01.000 Let me see this.

02:17:02.000 I don't know.

02:17:03.000 I've seen this yet.

02:17:03.000 My money's on Raymond Daniels.

02:17:05.000 Let's see.

02:17:06.000 I don't know.

02:17:07.000 They're both elite, man.

02:17:08.000 They're both in this realm, this point-fighting karate realm.

02:17:12.000 It's like that ability to just close the distance and they count it like it's just a touch like that.

02:17:16.000 Yeah, that's a touch.

02:17:17.000 Okay.

02:17:18.000 But that's all you have to do to score.

02:17:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:17:20.000 That is an attack where I would have knocked your ass with that.

02:17:22.000 But look at the style.

02:17:24.000 This is why it's so weird.

02:17:25.000 You don't see this style anywhere else.

02:17:27.000 What this style is, is this sideways stance.

02:17:30.000 Sideways stance almost always.

02:17:32.000 Almost always sideways stance.

02:17:33.000 See, the only problem is when the sideways stance is that you give that leg up, you know?

02:17:37.000 Yep, yep.

02:17:38.000 But this spinning attack.

02:17:40.000 So it's like you were hitting to.

02:17:42.000 In every art, there's these things.

02:17:46.000 There's something you take from it.

02:17:47.000 You take every bits of it.

02:17:48.000 Everyone can take something from that.

02:17:51.000 There's certain ways of moving in that these guys have, these point-fighting guys have, that's very deceptive and very hard to deal with and you don't expect from the average person.

02:18:02.000 If you get used to a certain kind of...

02:18:04.000 Style.

02:18:04.000 That's the thing, too, right?

02:18:06.000 Isn't that about sparring in crowded gyms?

02:18:08.000 Because you can't move that much.

02:18:10.000 When you see guys on the mat and there's like 15, 20 guys sparring next to each other, it's like foam box fighting.

02:18:16.000 Because if you're with one of these fellas, these leaping karate fellas, you need some space.

02:18:21.000 You're all over the mat.

02:18:22.000 Yeah, because Wonderboy, he'll step way...

02:18:24.000 Like the Tyron Woodley fights, those two fights were a perfect example of that.

02:18:27.000 Just control the outside way away, way away, just waiting to do...

02:18:32.000 He needs a lot of room to play that game.

02:18:34.000 And you don't take much damage.

02:18:35.000 Right, right.

02:18:35.000 That's the key thing about us playing these guys, not taking damage either.

02:18:39.000 Yeah.

02:18:39.000 Not taking damage where you can keep fighting.

02:18:41.000 Yeah.

02:18:42.000 I'm gonna fight number 45!

02:18:45.000 That's crazy.

02:18:47.000 To be able to fight, and I come out to fight, I'm like, man, I felt great.

02:18:50.000 I didn't get too hurt.

02:18:51.000 Do you think that defense is the most important aspect of your style?

02:18:55.000 It's underrated.

02:18:57.000 I think, listen, I think it's a bit of hard.

02:19:01.000 It's a beautiful combination.

02:19:03.000 Listen, you talk about my defense, but I set the record for the most punches landed.

02:19:08.000 That's true too.

02:19:08.000 So I'm busy.

02:19:09.000 It says I'm busy.

02:19:10.000 So I'm an attacker too.

02:19:12.000 But yet I'm a defender.

02:19:13.000 So it's a bit of both.

02:19:15.000 When you take a fight like the Islam fight, which is a big opportunity because many people look at him like one of the most talented guys in the division.

02:19:23.000 I mean, he's a force right now.

02:19:26.000 I have to say it.

02:19:27.000 I mean, it's not negative.

02:19:29.000 But it's like that's a tough decision to make to fight a guy like that without much preparation.

02:19:34.000 And that's where it was very gangster of you.

02:19:37.000 Yeah, that's what I said before I did it.

02:19:39.000 I'm going to show you all some G shit.

02:19:40.000 Yeah, you did.

02:19:41.000 You went in there when a lot of people were avoiding that guy.

02:19:44.000 He's right now at the top of the food chain in terms of top contenders.

02:19:48.000 And especially to do it on a short notice.

02:19:49.000 I feel like the results have been a lot different.

02:19:51.000 If we had a full camp to train and actually get my timing of my wrestling on, I made one mistake and that was it.

02:19:57.000 He capitalized and that was it.

02:19:58.000 I tried to go for a front choke on him and gave up my hips.

02:20:02.000 That was it.

02:20:03.000 From there, he was able.

02:20:05.000 You can't make one mistake with these guys that's highest level.

02:20:07.000 One mistake and that's it.

02:20:08.000 He's running his game and that's it.

02:20:10.000 I need to get him more tired.

02:20:11.000 I need to get him in deeper rounds where he can make more mistakes.

02:20:14.000 If you had to do it, how much time do you need for a fight like that?

02:20:19.000 Is that something you need?

02:20:20.000 Are there different styles that you need more prep time for or is it just a matter of getting in a solid camp for you?

02:20:29.000 I'd just say a solid camp.

02:20:30.000 Just a solid camp.

02:20:31.000 You know, like for me, I need five weeks.

02:20:33.000 Give me five weeks to eat anybody and I can do it.

02:20:35.000 Anybody.

02:20:36.000 Anybody.

02:20:36.000 Five weeks.

02:20:37.000 I know you would accept that, but what would you want ideally?

02:20:40.000 Ideally.

02:20:41.000 Ideally, six weeks.

02:20:43.000 Six weeks?

02:20:45.000 Seven at the max.

02:20:47.000 You don't want to peak too much?

02:20:49.000 No, I got kids, brother.

02:20:51.000 I got kids.

02:20:51.000 And listen, I learned this from Joe Stevenson.

02:20:54.000 When I fight, I don't do anything but fight.

02:20:57.000 I don't even see my children.

02:20:58.000 I don't do anything but fight.

02:21:02.000 Last year, I set the record for the most amount of fights is five.

02:21:06.000 In a year for a fighter, five.

02:21:09.000 I fought four and I passed out making weight for Jim Miller, the fifth, so it would have been fifth.

02:21:15.000 And so when I'm trying to compete and be that active, My kids suffer, you know?

02:21:19.000 Right, right, right.

02:21:20.000 My kids question, or daddy, and daddy don't love you.

02:21:23.000 I gotta go through that, too, you know?

02:21:24.000 And I gotta fight with the moms.

02:21:26.000 So that's another thing.

02:21:27.000 I got three baby mamas.

02:21:28.000 One black, one white, one Mexican.

02:21:30.000 In three different places.

02:21:31.000 Dude, you're a living rainbow.

02:21:32.000 And I'm trying to be a great daddy, too.

02:21:34.000 So it's a mess, brother.

02:21:36.000 It's a mess.

02:21:37.000 Well, you know.

02:21:39.000 And he's guiding me through this.

02:21:40.000 He's like, hey, you know, you need to do this.

02:21:42.000 You need to do this.

02:21:43.000 Fighting child support and time.

02:21:46.000 And you can only be in three places so many times, you know?

02:21:50.000 Why are the most fun fighters the most wild?

02:21:54.000 Because it's always the case.

02:21:55.000 I heard you say that.

02:21:56.000 It's always the case.

02:21:57.000 The most fun fighters to watch are the wildest dudes in real life.

02:22:00.000 They're willing to take a risk.

02:22:02.000 They're more risk takers.

02:22:02.000 That's a big part of it, right?

02:22:04.000 You know, I tried to explain that to someone about Jon Jones in the opening seconds of the first round against Shogun.

02:22:04.000 Yeah.

02:22:12.000 John, I think, was 22, right?

02:22:14.000 When he won the title?

02:22:15.000 22, okay?

02:22:17.000 Only been fighting UFC for a short amount of time.

02:22:20.000 Opens the fight with a flying knee on a legend.

02:22:24.000 On a legend.

02:22:25.000 You gotta have some balls.

02:22:26.000 You gotta have some balls.

02:22:26.000 Just balls.

02:22:28.000 John would just make shit up in the middle of a fight.

02:22:30.000 He'd just figure out what to do and try some shit out.

02:22:32.000 If you watch his fights, like...

02:22:34.000 He just has these very dangerous techniques that he uses with his length, you know?

02:22:38.000 Yeah.

02:22:39.000 I haven't got that free yet, like, where I'm working on things in the gym, but I haven't, like, oh, I'm running in the actual camp.

02:22:45.000 I'm going to work the things at work, you know?

02:22:47.000 I haven't got that free where I'm like, hey, I really want to show y'all what I've really been working on.

02:22:51.000 Like, you guys see me doing this.

02:22:52.000 What I really work on in the gym is something really nuts, you know?

02:22:55.000 Yeah, here it is.

02:22:56.000 Boom.

02:22:57.000 That is so crazy to do.

02:22:59.000 Opening seconds of the fight.

02:23:01.000 But at the same time, you don't have no fear of the takedown.

02:23:03.000 Well, he wasn't afraid of takedowns, and also, he was very proficient at striking.

02:23:08.000 He just has one of the best fight IQs ever.

02:23:14.000 But he's not a good striker.

02:23:16.000 But it doesn't matter.

02:23:17.000 He's enough.

02:23:18.000 He's enough to get on top of you.

02:23:20.000 It's his length.

02:23:21.000 He knows how to use it well.

02:23:23.000 He uses it very well.

02:23:25.000 It's not like he's a glory kickboxing champion.

02:23:27.000 Yes.

02:23:28.000 But if he wanted to be, he could be...

02:23:30.000 You think so?

02:23:30.000 Yeah.

02:23:31.000 Guys that are that good at MMA, that fucking dude can do anything.

02:23:35.000 He's just got a very specific and lethal style.

02:23:38.000 You cannot question the Jon Jones style.

02:23:40.000 So listen, you're trying to say, those guys fighting another guy his size, length and reach, like, what's his name?

02:23:49.000 Like an Aleister or the guy who beat Aleister for the K-1 belt.

02:23:55.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:56.000 Those strikers, I'm saying, I forgot what his name is.

02:23:59.000 Oh, oh, Badr Hari.

02:24:01.000 Yeah, those guys.

02:24:02.000 You're trying to say he's going to beat those guys?

02:24:04.000 That's a different level of striking.

02:24:07.000 Different level, but he could be if he started out when they did.

02:24:10.000 He could do anything.

02:24:10.000 Okay, if he started out.

02:24:11.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:24:12.000 I'm not saying he could do it right now.

02:24:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:24:14.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:24:16.000 A guy who gets that good, he could be that good at fucking tennis.

02:24:19.000 He could be that good at anything he wants.

02:24:20.000 Jon Jones never lost.

02:24:22.000 You always have to remember that.

02:24:24.000 They took that win away from him in the Matt Hamill fight, but he was putting a ferocious beatdown on that guy.

02:24:31.000 There is in no way that is a loss.

02:24:33.000 And it's one of the dumbest rules ever, because it's the downward elbow rule, which is the dumbest fucking rule.

02:24:38.000 It's not even a harder elbow than a regular elbow.

02:24:40.000 It's just dumb.

02:24:42.000 I've seen people say it's almost like getting stomped and you shouldn't.

02:24:46.000 I feel like wise people who I really respect say that.

02:24:49.000 They say it should be illegal.

02:24:50.000 I'm like, wow.

02:24:51.000 I don't want to take any of my job.

02:24:53.000 I'm not saying that.

02:24:54.000 What I'm saying is like in terms of strikers, you know, like as I got into the striking realm and we really respect striking like an easy guy and stuff like that.

02:25:05.000 That's why I don't see it like that.

02:25:07.000 I see he's very creative.

02:25:08.000 I think that's what's dope about him.

02:25:10.000 He created from the takedown to the elbow up, you know?

02:25:15.000 Those type of things just makes him where you didn't expect that.

02:25:20.000 That's what makes him so dope.

02:25:21.000 I don't think it's more so like he's got a great jab or he's got a one-two.

02:25:26.000 Like he just has long legs and he can kick you, he can use those legs and his reach.

02:25:29.000 But it's nothing really technical that I feel like.

02:25:32.000 That's all I'm saying in terms of that.

02:25:33.000 But in terms of his creativity.

02:25:36.000 But don't you remember he high-kicked DC? It's a high kick!

02:25:41.000 Stop!

02:25:43.000 And it was DC! DC's not like a striker.

02:25:47.000 Stop!

02:25:48.000 Come on!

02:25:49.000 Big dog!

02:25:50.000 That's a big victory.

02:25:51.000 You don't think that's a big victory?

02:25:53.000 It is, but it's not like he head-kicked fucking...

02:25:56.000 I think what's going down right now is Bobby's talking about the style of it all, the flow of the fight, right?

02:26:02.000 Where things are flowing, they're smooth.

02:26:04.000 I understand what you're saying.

02:26:05.000 What I'm saying is that Jon Jones, you have to look at him as a whole.

02:26:11.000 You can't just look at him as a striker, because his striking is sometimes a means to get his fucking hands on you and smash you.

02:26:17.000 You gotta realize, he's a fighter.

02:26:19.000 What I'm saying is if he just wanted to be a kickboxer, he would have been elite of the elite at that.

02:26:25.000 What he is is just a fighter.

02:26:27.000 So in fighting form, he's arguably one of the greats.

02:26:33.000 Without doubt.

02:26:34.000 Yes.

02:26:35.000 Without doubt.

02:26:36.000 Either he's your number one goat or he's number two.

02:26:39.000 It's like Lightning Mouse, Anderson Silva in his prime.

02:26:43.000 Don't forget Anderson in his prime.

02:26:44.000 Yeah.

02:26:45.000 Anderson in his prime was a motherfucker, dude.

02:26:48.000 There was a period of a few years where Anderson was lighting everybody on fire.

02:26:51.000 Let's break that down.

02:26:53.000 For me, personally, Because I'm like a style guy.

02:26:59.000 I like to pick for style-wise like when it comes down those goats yeah but style-wise like for me there's another guy that you didn't mention that will begin in those lists is I think Dominick Cruz to me is a goat.

02:27:11.000 He's definitely a goat and he's definitely a pioneer.

02:27:14.000 But as far as like greatest of all time.

02:27:18.000 What about Khabib?

02:27:20.000 Khabib is arguably the goat.

02:27:22.000 Yeah I was gonna Beats everybody.

02:27:24.000 Barely loses a round.

02:27:25.000 That's why I wouldn't put him more a two or three, you know, a four.

02:27:30.000 I'm talking about who did it greatest, who did it the best.

02:27:33.000 But how do you say that he...

02:27:34.000 Anderson would be the number one.

02:27:35.000 Anderson did it amazing.

02:27:36.000 There we go.

02:27:37.000 But how would you say that Khabib didn't do it the best when he retires undefeated?

02:27:40.000 He destroys everybody.

02:27:42.000 Barely loses a round.

02:27:44.000 I'm talking about style points.

02:27:44.000 I'm not saying that.

02:27:46.000 Style points.

02:27:47.000 I love that style.

02:27:48.000 That style was smash.

02:27:50.000 He's saying it's not exciting.

02:27:51.000 You don't think that's exciting?

02:27:53.000 Khabib's fights?

02:27:54.000 Toward the end?

02:27:56.000 Toward the end?

02:27:57.000 This is where we're going to part ways.

02:27:59.000 We're going to disagree here.

02:28:00.000 You don't think that the Justin Gaethje fight was entertaining?

02:28:03.000 That's what he said.

02:28:03.000 Bingo!

02:28:04.000 Towards the end.

02:28:05.000 Yeah, we're going backwards with this.

02:28:06.000 From the Conor on, he got exciting.

02:28:10.000 Oh, okay.

02:28:11.000 But before that, and I'll be honest...

02:28:11.000 You know?

02:28:14.000 You don't think that the Dos Anjos fight was exciting?

02:28:16.000 You don't think that the Edson Barbosa fight was exciting?

02:28:18.000 The Edson Barbosa fight was wild.

02:28:21.000 Because we knew what a good striker Edson Barbosa was.

02:28:23.000 We knew how well he prepared for Khabib.

02:28:26.000 But there was a moment in that fight...

02:28:29.000 Where Nurmagomedov had him down, and you could see the look in his eyes, that thousand-yard stare, like, holy shit.

02:28:34.000 He knew that this storm is never gonna end.

02:28:37.000 Michael Johnson did that shit to him, too, though.

02:28:39.000 He clipped him.

02:28:40.000 Michael Johnson clipped him.

02:28:42.000 Well, not in the end, right?

02:28:44.000 No, no, I'm talking about Barbosa.

02:28:46.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:28:47.000 I thought you were talking about Michael Johnson and Khabib.

02:28:50.000 No, no, no.

02:28:51.000 I felt like when we fought Edson, the playbook had not been exposed yet in his style.

02:29:00.000 In that fight, I wanted him to go wrestle for a couple of weeks up in SAC with a buddy of mine.

02:29:06.000 A bunch of all-American wrestlers in there from Iowa, you know, and he wanted to go to Nate's camp and do some work over there, you know?

02:29:14.000 I wanted him to wrestle this kid, put him on his back, beat him up, and let's go home, you know?

02:29:19.000 And I felt like we would really win the fight that way.

02:29:22.000 But that's not the style.

02:29:24.000 You don't get that.

02:29:25.000 This is this argument that you guys were having, or this conversation you guys were having.

02:29:29.000 Not an argument, but a conversation you guys were having.

02:29:31.000 He wants to be exciting.

02:29:33.000 That's his main objective.

02:29:35.000 I need the crowd to go, ah.

02:29:37.000 Right.

02:29:37.000 They're not doing that over that like that.

02:29:40.000 Right.

02:29:40.000 Especially, like, Khabib, it got later on when he, to be honest, I think it was the names that he was fighting that made it, like, oh my God, he's doing it to Conor McGregor.

02:29:48.000 Oh my God, he's doing it to Justin Gaethje.

02:29:48.000 Right.

02:29:50.000 Oh my God, you know, like, what is he doing to these guys more so than style points?

02:29:55.000 When you kick a guy like Vitor, pow!

02:29:58.000 And drop him.

02:29:59.000 Nobody else did it like that.

02:30:01.000 Nobody else was even thinking about that kick until he did it.

02:30:03.000 We even had conversations about people being able to KO people with that kick.

02:30:08.000 And I was like, maybe, but it's pretty rare.

02:30:11.000 He just trained it a whole other place.

02:30:11.000 Yes!

02:30:14.000 That's what I'm saying is style-wise.

02:30:16.000 The different ways.

02:30:18.000 I would give it up to O'Connor.

02:30:20.000 The way he was putting guys out.

02:30:21.000 The way he was doing that.

02:30:23.000 The way he mixed Eddie Alvarez up.

02:30:25.000 Oh my goodness.

02:30:26.000 Oh my goodness.

02:30:28.000 That was style points.

02:30:29.000 That's true.

02:30:30.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:30:31.000 I don't see it that way.

02:30:32.000 I think smesh.

02:30:34.000 I think smesh.

02:30:37.000 You gotta have some style to you.

02:30:38.000 I love that style, man.

02:30:41.000 I really do.

02:30:42.000 I love that he can do that.

02:30:43.000 I love that he imposes it on everybody, and nobody wants to be there, and they all get sucked into it.

02:30:49.000 I loved it.

02:30:50.000 So when I fought Islam, after the fight, I got him as a pitcher, and I'm like, hey...

02:30:55.000 You gotta get some style, baby.

02:30:57.000 Oh, no.

02:30:58.000 That was great, but...

02:30:59.000 You gotta get some style, baby.

02:31:02.000 I understand.

02:31:03.000 You're an artist.

02:31:05.000 You're an artist.

02:31:06.000 Yeah, you're an artist.

02:31:07.000 Well, you live off the feet of the crowd, right?

02:31:09.000 Yeah, but I want to be able to come to watch your fight.

02:31:11.000 I don't watch those guys fight.

02:31:12.000 Personally.

02:31:12.000 I understand.

02:31:13.000 Just personally.

02:31:14.000 I understand.

02:31:14.000 I watch Khabib's end, and I even put a post on saying, sorry, because I always called you boring.

02:31:21.000 Now you're excited.

02:31:22.000 Well...

02:31:24.000 I'm a big Islam nut rider.

02:31:27.000 I know you are.

02:31:29.000 I think he's awesome.

02:31:31.000 And today we came to shut that shit down.

02:31:33.000 His style points in his fucking house.

02:31:34.000 But you're here, man.

02:31:35.000 You're here because I love you.

02:31:37.000 The real G's are in the house today.

02:31:38.000 Listen, you're here because I love you.

02:31:40.000 But the reality is, that guy is like, if you're just looking at someone who can win...

02:31:47.000 Guys like Nate Diaz.

02:31:48.000 Guys like Jorge.

02:31:48.000 People like you a lot.

02:31:50.000 Guys like Justin Gaethje.

02:31:52.000 Loud, colorful people.

02:31:53.000 Who actually bring the fucking style and what we want to see.

02:31:56.000 What did we want to see?

02:31:57.000 Would you rather bring style, or would you rather win?

02:32:02.000 Listen, that's great.

02:32:04.000 Style!

02:32:05.000 Style first?

02:32:06.000 Hands down!

02:32:07.000 Hands down!

02:32:08.000 I've had fights with him.

02:32:09.000 Where I feel like guys out of chokes?

02:32:10.000 I'm like, no, that would have been boring if I won like that.

02:32:13.000 Why would I do that?

02:32:14.000 We had guys in chokes in the first minute and a half of the fight, and he looked like this.

02:32:18.000 I took Barbosa down the first kick he threw.

02:32:21.000 Bam, I took him to the ground.

02:32:22.000 All right, I can do that already.

02:32:23.000 Now get up and let's do the dance.

02:32:25.000 I'm going to show everybody else that thought.

02:32:26.000 I couldn't strike?

02:32:27.000 What's up?

02:32:28.000 I'm not scared of you.

02:32:29.000 What's up?

02:32:30.000 I'm going to get my gangster points and my style points.

02:32:33.000 It was about testing himself against the best striker in the UFC. It ain't about winning.

02:32:39.000 Barboza's the best kicker in the UFC. But the thing is, Barboza, his kicks, especially his switch kick, is so fast it doesn't even seem like it's really happening.

02:32:49.000 He would throw that switch kick, and it was just like, I can't believe how fast that is.

02:32:54.000 He's extremely fast.

02:32:55.000 You'd see the look on guys' faces when he would hit him with it like, whoa!

02:33:00.000 So after fighting Marbosa, now I gotta fight another guy.

02:33:03.000 We were talking about styles earlier.

02:33:05.000 These styles, you're breaking down.

02:33:07.000 Everybody has these styles and I don't like the arts.

02:33:09.000 Why?

02:33:09.000 Because they all have holes in them and you gotta be able to use pieces of them to piece your fight together.

02:33:14.000 Bruce Lee style.

02:33:15.000 So after I fought...

02:33:16.000 Barbosa, I now fight the new-age kicker, Rafael Fazeev.

02:33:21.000 Yeah, Fazeev.

02:33:23.000 That was a great fight.

02:33:25.000 That was a great fucking fight.

02:33:27.000 And that was a wake-up call to a lot of people about how effective you are against world-class strikers.

02:33:33.000 That was a close-ass fight.

02:33:34.000 And I think a lot of people thought Fazeev is this, you know, he's a trainer at Tiger Muay Thai.

02:33:39.000 He's nasty.

02:33:40.000 I trained with him out there at Tiger.

02:33:42.000 That KO of Muay Kano.

02:33:44.000 Woo!

02:33:45.000 Dude, he's fucking nasty, and you went pillar to post with him.

02:33:48.000 Yeah, he had his visa troubles, right?

02:33:50.000 Yeah.

02:33:51.000 He had some visa, that's why he couldn't fight, right?

02:33:53.000 He had some visa.

02:33:55.000 Something's going on, right?

02:33:56.000 Visa, yeah, something's going on, you're right.

02:33:58.000 That's why I don't like, I'm gonna just say it, I don't like, if you train in Thailand, I'll be kind of suspect about you.

02:34:03.000 Because they can get drugs over the counter, like steroids and shit like that, like cough syrup.

02:34:09.000 Don't you USADA visit Thailand?

02:34:11.000 Fuck no!

02:34:12.000 How far is USADA? You don't think so?

02:34:14.000 Is that the dirty secret?

02:34:16.000 Wait a minute!

02:34:18.000 Don't stop it with me!

02:34:19.000 Listen, I don't play games!

02:34:22.000 I'm not afraid to talk about it.

02:34:24.000 I'm not afraid to talk about it.

02:34:25.000 Well, I'm glad you're here, though.

02:34:28.000 And we're getting ready for the walkout.

02:34:30.000 You guys are going to call us out, right?

02:34:31.000 Right.

02:34:32.000 The UFC comes to us and goes, hey, all right, you guys are going to come up there and you're going to take your shirts off, you know, on the scale and blah, blah, blah.

02:34:38.000 He looked like he saw the police.

02:34:39.000 He was like, what?

02:34:41.000 Take our shirt off?

02:34:42.000 Why do I got to take my shirt off?

02:34:43.000 Because he didn't want to show that acne back knee of his, you know?

02:34:48.000 So I'm like, oh, I called onto it already.

02:34:50.000 And so he didn't take his shirt off.

02:34:52.000 I was the only one who took my shirt off.

02:34:54.000 I'm like, oh, okay.

02:34:56.000 How long before the fight is this?

02:34:58.000 This is the weigh-ins that he did that.

02:35:02.000 So the day before the fight he's got back knee, you think?

02:35:05.000 That shit don't go away.

02:35:06.000 Why do you think we'd be saying that shit?

02:35:08.000 We've noticed that shit.

02:35:09.000 We see it.

02:35:10.000 It's noticeable in fighters.

02:35:11.000 That shit don't go away.

02:35:12.000 Is that 100% from Royce?

02:35:13.000 They have pictures of guys and they go back knee, back knee.

02:35:16.000 But I can tell you 100% that I know for a fact that they all use him.

02:35:22.000 How do you know that for a fact?

02:35:23.000 Fucking watched them buy them.

02:35:24.000 How dare you?

02:35:27.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:35:28.000 A lot of you gotta be cheating, man.

02:35:30.000 A lot of you gotta be cheating, bro.

02:35:31.000 So what happened was, we're in Thailand, we're training.

02:35:33.000 And on Playfair.

02:35:35.000 And what's the other little kid's name just lost?

02:35:37.000 Peter Yan.

02:35:38.000 Peter Yan.

02:35:39.000 Another Thailand guy.

02:35:42.000 Hold on.

02:35:43.000 Are you guys thinking there's a reason why these guys go to Thailand?

02:35:47.000 Is this the allegation?

02:35:47.000 Oh, absolutely.

02:35:48.000 Fuck those guys.

02:35:49.000 Really?

02:35:49.000 Man.

02:35:50.000 You don't think this just go there for great Thai training?

02:35:53.000 No.

02:35:53.000 There's some of that, right?

02:35:54.000 There's great recovery.

02:35:56.000 There's great Thai training.

02:35:57.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:35:58.000 There's great recovery.

02:35:59.000 But there's great recovery.

02:36:00.000 They stretch you out.

02:36:01.000 They massage you.

02:36:02.000 You can do all that stuff.

02:36:03.000 Have you been to Phuket?

02:36:03.000 No.

02:36:04.000 You haven't been to Phuket?

02:36:05.000 No, I haven't.

02:36:05.000 Oh, you'll love it.

02:36:06.000 I've heard it's awesome.

02:36:07.000 It's gym, CrossFit gym, gym, CrossFit gym, CrossFit gym.

02:36:10.000 Everybody goes there to get jacked.

02:36:12.000 Man, and it's wild.

02:36:15.000 What's his name?

02:36:16.000 Faraz?

02:36:17.000 Faraz Ahabi?

02:36:17.000 Faraz Ahabi.

02:36:18.000 No, no, no.

02:36:19.000 What are you talking about?

02:36:19.000 The kid who fought.

02:36:20.000 Fizeh.

02:36:21.000 Oh, Rafael Fizeh.

02:36:22.000 Oh, Rafael Fizeh.

02:36:22.000 Oh, whatever, whatever.

02:36:24.000 He's over 200 pounds, bro.

02:36:26.000 We're out there training with him.

02:36:28.000 He's swole.

02:36:29.000 He was huge.

02:36:30.000 Huge.

02:36:30.000 So one of my guys gets staff over there.

02:36:34.000 So I tell him, I say, hey, just go ask the coach, you know, like where to get...

02:36:37.000 We didn't know that they sold all this stuff in the pharmacies like that, right?

02:36:41.000 So I say, hey, ask the coach, you know, if he could get some stuff.

02:36:43.000 So he goes over and he's like, hey, you know where I can get any stuff at?

02:36:46.000 And he's like, yeah.

02:36:48.000 He's like, just go to the pharmacy.

02:36:49.000 And he's like, okay.

02:36:51.000 He's like, what do you want?

02:36:52.000 You know, he's like, Climbuterol.

02:36:54.000 He's like, naming off all this shit.

02:36:56.000 Whoa.

02:36:57.000 And I'm like, no, no, no.

02:36:58.000 We need some shit for staff, bro.

02:37:00.000 Like, that's all we need.

02:37:02.000 But if people are doing that, how are they avoiding the testing?

02:37:07.000 I don't know, bro.

02:37:08.000 Listen, you know when you're going to fight.

02:37:10.000 He knew how long he was going to fight.

02:37:12.000 He's not taking no short on his fights.

02:37:14.000 Hey, I'm not saying that he was on anything when that fight happened.

02:37:16.000 I'm just saying, all these guys...

02:37:18.000 Listen, the sport Muay Thai itself, it's a...

02:37:24.000 Tough man thing.

02:37:25.000 You stand there, I stand there, pow, pow, and we get off, you know?

02:37:30.000 That is so damaging to the body, you know, that you need something, something to get some of that stuff back.

02:37:36.000 You start doing the shin to shin.

02:37:38.000 It's just a breakdown.

02:37:39.000 You know?

02:37:40.000 Anacidation, broken leg.

02:37:42.000 Yeah.

02:37:42.000 You need something to keep you strong for that.

02:37:45.000 Yeah.

02:37:45.000 You gotta take some stuff.

02:37:46.000 I can understand it.

02:37:47.000 Right.

02:37:48.000 I can understand it.

02:37:49.000 The thing is, I'm scared of needles.

02:37:50.000 I can't do it.

02:37:51.000 I'm scared of needles.

02:37:52.000 That's kind of my thing why I talk openly about drugs in the sport or PDs or whatever is because none of my guys, I've never had any of my guys ever test for anything positive.

02:38:02.000 So do you think that there are specific places that people go because they know USADA is not going to go to them and this is why they set up camps overseas?

02:38:11.000 For the most part.

02:38:13.000 I believe so.

02:38:13.000 Wow.

02:38:14.000 I never thought of that.

02:38:16.000 I thought of it the same way.

02:38:17.000 I know about other stuff that happens here.

02:38:19.000 That happens actually here with guys that you talk about and glorify as the baddest of the baddest.

02:38:26.000 And you know that they're doing something dirty?

02:38:28.000 I know for 100% sure.

02:38:30.000 I was told and I know the person gave it to them.

02:38:32.000 But I'm not going to be a snitch and rat them out.

02:38:34.000 But listen, I know it for a fact, okay?

02:38:38.000 For a fact.

02:38:39.000 So is there a stricter drug protocol in order?

02:38:43.000 Should they figure out a better one?

02:38:44.000 Let's go like this.

02:38:45.000 This is simple.

02:38:46.000 What is it?

02:38:47.000 You test positive for steroids.

02:38:49.000 Lifetime ban.

02:38:50.000 Yeah, but what if somebody taints someone's shit?

02:38:52.000 The problem is people are those fucking saboteurs.

02:38:55.000 I'm not saying that that is definitely happening a lot, but I'm saying it can happen.

02:38:59.000 If I know that Bobby Green can get suspended for life, and I think Bobby's an asshole, and I decide just to be funny to put some steroids in Bobby Green's yogurt.

02:39:07.000 Oh, yes.

02:39:08.000 People can do that, man.

02:39:09.000 There's a lot of assholes out there that would do something like that.

02:39:12.000 For sure.

02:39:13.000 I mean, I'm not saying that that's even going to happen.

02:39:17.000 I'm saying you've got to protect.

02:39:18.000 You have to give a lot of steroids for it to stay in the system.

02:39:20.000 No, it doesn't.

02:39:21.000 No, it's some stuff.

02:39:23.000 There's some stuff that can catch you.

02:39:25.000 Anytime, Pyotr Jan, USADA. See, they are.

02:39:29.000 They're visiting him.

02:39:30.000 Listen, stop it.

02:39:31.000 You don't think they're visiting him?

02:39:32.000 It's at Tiger Muay Thai they're visiting him.

02:39:34.000 Right?

02:39:35.000 Tiger got a lot of money.

02:39:38.000 Okay, now this is a baseless conspiracy.

02:39:40.000 No, no, no.

02:39:41.000 I'm not going there.

02:39:43.000 I'm just saying this.

02:39:46.000 It's very easy to access those things out there.

02:39:51.000 When you put that type of stress on your body, you need certain things to keep you going in those aspects.

02:39:56.000 And that's what It's just what it is, you know?

02:39:58.000 Well, until they get caught, exactly.

02:40:01.000 Until they get caught, it's a conspiracy.

02:40:03.000 If guys like TJ can do it and he's here, and he gets tested all the time...

02:40:07.000 Yeah, but he didn't do it.

02:40:08.000 He got busted.

02:40:09.000 How many fights do you think he fought before he got caught?

02:40:12.000 I don't know.

02:40:12.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:40:13.000 That's what we're saying.

02:40:14.000 Here's my question.

02:40:14.000 We don't really know what, if anything, he had done before.

02:40:18.000 We do know that that was an extraordinary moment because he was trying to make 125 pounds.

02:40:22.000 And we do know this, though.

02:40:23.000 We do know this.

02:40:24.000 Fucking, what's his name?

02:40:25.000 His other buddy said it and put him out there.

02:40:28.000 He said, TJ showed us how to do this shit a long time before he got caught.

02:40:33.000 That's hearsay.

02:40:36.000 It's hard to say.

02:40:38.000 It's documented.

02:40:39.000 What's your feeling on that?

02:40:41.000 How do you clean that area of the fight game up?

02:40:44.000 Well, I think it is a real problem, right?

02:40:47.000 And I think what is allowed and what's not allowed is a real problem.

02:40:50.000 We have to figure out what seems fair and what also seems foolish to ignore.

02:40:56.000 Like, what if they came along and said, no more ice baths?

02:40:59.000 You know, the anti-inflammation effect is akin to taking a drug and it's too potent.

02:41:04.000 No more saunas because you're raising up your heat shock proteins and show the reduced inflammation and it seems to be cheating because some people don't have access to saunas.

02:41:12.000 Because if you say something, that's like, there's a real argument in certain levels of performance enhancements you get from a lot of, like, standardly used things.

02:41:20.000 Yes, yes.

02:41:21.000 So it's like, then you get to steroids and you jack that up way higher.

02:41:26.000 Like, we all agree.

02:41:27.000 There's a lot of stuff you can do that'll help you, but steroids changes you.

02:41:31.000 Definitely.

02:41:31.000 Right?

02:41:32.000 And then, especially if you, like, we were talking about the early eras.

02:41:37.000 But not only steroids, shit like EPO! Right, but people, this is my point, they were on fucking everything.

02:41:42.000 There was a lot of people that were bad motherfuckers and they were on everything.

02:41:46.000 So it was a different world then.

02:41:47.000 Especially in Pride.

02:41:49.000 Ensign Inouye told me that in capital letters, it says in his Pride contract, we do not test for steroids.

02:41:57.000 Like this, like this.

02:42:00.000 I'll tell you a funny story.

02:42:02.000 We don't even test.

02:42:03.000 I'll tell you a funny story.

02:42:05.000 When OSADA first came in, we started handling all these meetings with OSADA and they're telling us the program and how it's all going to lay out and all this stuff.

02:42:14.000 It was all very new.

02:42:16.000 We go in and they're like, all the coaches have to be at this specific meeting at this time and other coaches at this time.

02:42:22.000 They're setting up these things, introducing us to all the rules.

02:42:26.000 And there's a group of coaches and teams that are waiting to come into the room after we're done, right?

02:42:32.000 And everybody's like saying, oh, this is crazy, all this new SADA stuff, you know?

02:42:37.000 And I see this team, very famous team of coaches, sitting on this bench and they're listening to everybody as they're coming out, right?

02:42:45.000 And so I just tapped my guy and I'm like, hey man, this is fucking wild, man.

02:42:48.000 And he's like, what do you mean?

02:42:50.000 I said, I can't believe they're going to test coaches too.

02:42:52.000 Like this.

02:42:53.000 And all three of these fuckers on the bench went like this, looking at each other like...

02:42:57.000 And I was like, ah, you guys are busted.

02:43:00.000 Do you remember when Anderson Silva, there was something he tested positive for, and then they got a photo of his coach.

02:43:08.000 Did you ever see what Anderson's coach looks like?

02:43:10.000 He's like one of the most jacked humans that's ever lived.

02:43:14.000 He looks like a superhero.

02:43:16.000 But that's back to my point though.

02:43:18.000 Anderson is what I would consider a Muay Thai striker.

02:43:21.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:43:22.000 And those things are damaging on the bones and stuff.

02:43:25.000 Of course, for sure.

02:43:26.000 He broke his leg against Chris Whiteman.

02:43:29.000 He needed to come back.

02:43:30.000 He got money and he got bills to pay.

02:43:31.000 Yeah.

02:43:32.000 Pop them fucking steroids.

02:43:33.000 Fuck you mean.

02:43:34.000 You know what's interesting?

02:43:35.000 It's like watching him box against Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. I'm like, my God, we're looking at a man who's in his 40s.

02:43:43.000 How good would he have been as a boxer if he was in his 20s?

02:43:47.000 If he just went straight into boxing?

02:43:48.000 Anderson was...

02:43:49.000 Okay, okay, so that's why Anderson's like at number one.

02:43:52.000 Did you see him when he fought, uh, Chavez?

02:43:55.000 Style points!

02:43:56.000 I know, that's style points.

02:43:57.000 You see how he styled on him?

02:43:59.000 Yes.

02:44:00.000 He made him look like you don't even belong with me.

02:44:03.000 Remember when he knocked out Tito Ortiz, like, Jesus, like, Anderson can fucking box.

02:44:07.000 Like, really, really boxed.

02:44:09.000 I see him stand next to him, and I'm like, man, this guy doesn't look- Chael said Tito faked it.

02:44:13.000 Chael said Tito faked it.

02:44:13.000 Who said that?

02:44:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:44:15.000 He said he faked the knock down and shit.

02:44:18.000 Chael always said some fucking crazy shit.

02:44:20.000 Chael's on his pro wrestling shit.

02:44:22.000 I love Uncle Chael.

02:44:23.000 I think it's crazy.

02:44:24.000 He's important, because he's a legit guy.

02:44:26.000 He was a legit fighter.

02:44:27.000 But another guy who figured it out?

02:44:29.000 Yeah, figured out how to promote.

02:44:29.000 And a funny dude.

02:44:31.000 Was one of the best ever at promoting.

02:44:33.000 Because it was straight pro wrestling.

02:44:35.000 Like, he would win a fight.

02:44:36.000 Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck!

02:44:40.000 And he would look around like he was doing pro wrestling promotion.

02:44:43.000 It was pretty awesome.

02:44:44.000 Joe, let me ask you this.

02:44:45.000 How do you feel about the new shit with the UFC giving out crypto?

02:44:50.000 I don't know how I feel about that.

02:44:52.000 But one thing I do want to say, if anybody...

02:44:54.000 I want to say this one more thing about Chael.

02:44:56.000 Go back and watch Chael vs.

02:44:59.000 Nate.

02:45:00.000 Nate Marquardt.

02:45:01.000 When Nate Marquardt was in his prime.

02:45:03.000 When Nate Marquardt was a fucking destroyer.

02:45:05.000 Yes!

02:45:06.000 I grew up in Strikeforce.

02:45:07.000 I was in Strikeforce.

02:45:08.000 I saw him in Strikeforce.

02:45:10.000 He knocked out Damian Meyer with one punch in the UFC. Tyrone Woodley.

02:45:14.000 Nate Markhart.

02:45:15.000 Oh yeah, Tyrone Woodley KO was a video game KO. Bro, his Strikeforce upcoming was way better.

02:45:20.000 He was nasty in Strikeforce.

02:45:22.000 I think you're right.

02:45:23.000 I think he got to a point.

02:45:24.000 I think every fighter has a certain amount of holes that can get punched in his ticket.

02:45:30.000 And then after a while, fighters just don't have it anymore.

02:45:33.000 That's why I go back to defense, karate, base.

02:45:38.000 It's taking that damage.

02:45:39.000 Nate Markhart was a goddamn assassin.

02:45:41.000 And Chael Sonnen manhandled him.

02:45:43.000 Chael manhandled him.

02:45:44.000 That was when we got to see how good of a wrestler an MMA Chael really is.

02:45:47.000 That's when I knew Chael was a shit, and I knew I had my money on Chael beating Anderson, and then he got tapped, you know, at the last minute.

02:45:53.000 That's the craziest shit of all time.

02:45:55.000 That was probably an awesome play, right?

02:45:56.000 That is the craziest shit of all time that he got tapped there.

02:45:59.000 Like, wow.

02:46:00.000 In a fight that he 100% would have won if he just danced around and didn't even engage for three minutes.

02:46:06.000 Yeah.

02:46:06.000 Yes.

02:46:07.000 Yes.

02:46:08.000 What round was it that he got tapped?

02:46:10.000 It was the fifth.

02:46:10.000 Was it the fifth?

02:46:11.000 And it was how many minutes?

02:46:12.000 34 seconds or something left.

02:46:14.000 I thought it was a minute left.

02:46:15.000 Something like that.

02:46:16.000 It was close.

02:46:16.000 I think you're right.

02:46:17.000 I think you're right.

02:46:18.000 I think it was like somewhere in the minute range.

02:46:20.000 Yeah.

02:46:21.000 Jesus Christ.

02:46:22.000 Chael's funny, though.

02:46:23.000 Oh my god.

02:46:24.000 He was almost the champ, and he was almost the champ of the WEC, too.

02:46:27.000 Remember that?

02:46:28.000 And Paolo Filio, he didn't make weight for the second one.

02:46:32.000 And when he didn't make weight for the second one, so there was no title.

02:46:34.000 And so Chael won the decision, but didn't win the title.

02:46:38.000 I absolutely love Uncle Chael, you know?

02:46:41.000 I love that guy, too.

02:46:42.000 And the only problem is that...

02:46:45.000 Is that he painted a little bit with the steroid stuff, too.

02:46:49.000 Dude, he's hilarious about it.

02:46:51.000 You know what, though?

02:46:53.000 You come out openly, start talking about it like that, everybody else kind of shuts up about it.

02:46:57.000 That's where at least I'm so torn about it because I'm like this warrior for drug-free, you know, clean.

02:47:07.000 Do you think that that's why maybe he didn't achieve those moments?

02:47:11.000 Who knows, man?

02:47:12.000 I mean, I think a lot of people were on something at one point in time.

02:47:17.000 A lot of people.

02:47:17.000 And then as USADA came along, it definitely tightened things up.

02:47:21.000 We saw those physiques shrink.

02:47:23.000 We saw a lot of physiques shrink.

02:47:25.000 Lower weight classes.

02:47:26.000 Right.

02:47:26.000 But I think there was three factors.

02:47:28.000 And one of the first factors was when they stopped TRT replacement.

02:47:32.000 Because at that point, they're like, what are we doing?

02:47:35.000 We're just letting you take as much of this as you want?

02:47:39.000 That's what's so crazy!

02:47:40.000 He started looking younger.

02:47:42.000 His hair started going back.

02:47:44.000 His shit was like werewolf levels.

02:47:45.000 His hair was going back.

02:47:47.000 He looked like he was 18 years old again.

02:47:49.000 He looks pretty goddamn good.

02:47:49.000 I know.

02:47:50.000 I remember we were in a hot tub with him, right?

02:47:53.000 Oh yeah, you remember that?

02:47:54.000 And this one starts preaching to us.

02:47:56.000 Oh yeah.

02:47:57.000 Preaching all kinds of crazy, like you gotta do things right.

02:48:00.000 He was big brothering me.

02:48:02.000 We were in the hot tub and he's telling me like, you know, like because I was playing rap music.

02:48:06.000 Yeah.

02:48:06.000 And he felt like it was like bad, you know?

02:48:09.000 Disrespectful.

02:48:10.000 Disrespectful, you know?

02:48:11.000 In the sauna?

02:48:12.000 In the hot tub.

02:48:13.000 Hot tub.

02:48:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:48:14.000 So we're just sitting there, and then his team came, and he's like, don't play that music.

02:48:18.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:48:18.000 Don't play that music.

02:48:19.000 It's bad, you know?

02:48:20.000 Like, Jesus, you know?

02:48:22.000 And I believe in Jesus, too.

02:48:24.000 So when he had his whole allegation, I'm like, hey, when you put dirt on people, you know?

02:48:30.000 And he tested positive after that fight.

02:48:32.000 Yeah, and I'm like, how can you preach like that?

02:48:34.000 And then...

02:48:35.000 Behind the screen, you're cheating people.

02:48:38.000 Because you can fuck these people's lives up.

02:48:40.000 That's the whole thing about the whole cheating thing.

02:48:41.000 Look at Cody.

02:48:42.000 Cody's an awesome guy.

02:48:44.000 Garbert?

02:48:45.000 He's a fucking cool dude, man.

02:48:45.000 Garbert.

02:48:47.000 And you think about it, his climb to get there was very tough, you know?

02:48:50.000 To have those epic fights with TJ, and then not get his win bonus.

02:48:55.000 Not get sponsorship money now.

02:48:56.000 And TJ take that shit from him the wrong way.

02:49:00.000 But do you think...

02:49:02.000 Okay, so that wasn't a fight where he tested positive, though.

02:49:05.000 But I'm saying he's speculating on the same thing that you do the shit until you get caught.

02:49:11.000 I know guys that were on the wrestling team with TJ in college, wrestled with him in college, and this has been an ongoing thing since college.

02:49:18.000 Well, this is just the big accusation show.

02:49:21.000 Oh, fuck yeah.

02:49:22.000 Call it what you want to call it.

02:49:24.000 One of my best friends ran in the Olympics, right?

02:49:24.000 Conspiracy theorists.

02:49:27.000 He's a track runner.

02:49:27.000 They decent best.

02:49:28.000 They're all on steroids.

02:49:30.000 I have a painting of that.

02:49:31.000 My big dog tell me this.

02:49:32.000 Yeah, bro.

02:49:33.000 Does Dose Brock make us a painting of that?

02:49:35.000 That's dope.

02:49:36.000 They told me all this shit before he was even, before he fought Conor and all this stuff.

02:49:41.000 Bro, he's a fucking genius.

02:49:42.000 He predicted all this shit.

02:49:43.000 It's crazy.

02:49:44.000 He was trying to tell me the ins and outs, the do's, the don'ts, how everything is.

02:49:49.000 Don't be like this.

02:49:50.000 Everybody be doing this shit.

02:49:51.000 Yeah, they be doing this shit.

02:49:52.000 And they do this.

02:49:53.000 I'm like, what?

02:49:53.000 Yeah.

02:49:54.000 And then she started seeing it.

02:49:56.000 Surely there's got to be some people that aren't on steroids.

02:49:58.000 Like BJ Penn, I think he was clean.

02:50:00.000 Man, he's one of my favorites of all time.

02:50:02.000 I think he was clean this entire career.

02:50:04.000 Someone told me he's the only UFC fighter that was a clean UFC champion.

02:50:09.000 Somebody told me, and I'm like, what?

02:50:11.000 I don't know.

02:50:11.000 That doesn't sound like that makes any sense.

02:50:14.000 That broke my heart.

02:50:15.000 And he broke down every fighter that I was like, well, what about?

02:50:19.000 How does he know?

02:50:20.000 What?

02:50:20.000 How does he know?

02:50:21.000 How does he know?

02:50:22.000 Because he's in that realm.

02:50:24.000 Those guys that, oh, well, they do this, and when this does this, you know what the, like, faking a certain steroid has a certain side effect.

02:50:31.000 It builds your nipples up, you know?

02:50:33.000 Like, one of them gets those nipple things, you know?

02:50:35.000 And you gotta take the calcium out of your nipples.

02:50:40.000 Different things that guys do, we recognize signs.

02:50:43.000 What did you say?

02:50:44.000 The cartilage out of your nipple?

02:50:45.000 I said calcium.

02:50:46.000 Oh, calcium.

02:50:47.000 Is that what it is like?

02:50:48.000 No, they're glands.

02:50:49.000 They're lymph glands.

02:50:50.000 I'm not sure.

02:50:51.000 Don't quote me on that.

02:50:52.000 I'm not exactly sure.

02:50:52.000 But this way, someone's breaking this all down to me.

02:50:54.000 As he told me, every fighter, I'm like, no, not Georges St-Pierre.

02:50:58.000 That's my guy.

02:50:59.000 Georges St-Pierre's always been clean.

02:51:00.000 He's like, I have speculations that he has from this, from this, and this.

02:51:03.000 He never touched the closet for nothing, though.

02:51:06.000 And he hasn't.

02:51:07.000 But I'm just saying, he said that.

02:51:09.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:51:10.000 Everyone's going to hate.

02:51:10.000 They would hate on everybody.

02:51:12.000 The most natural of guys.

02:51:14.000 They would think Mark Hunt's on steroids.

02:51:16.000 People hate on people.

02:51:17.000 They make stuff up.

02:51:19.000 I agree.

02:51:20.000 I agree.

02:51:20.000 There's always a lot of that.

02:51:21.000 But when he did that, I'm not saying I believed it, but I didn't say that's something I'm going off.

02:51:27.000 I'm saying that's something I just looked at.

02:51:29.000 It's kind of interesting.

02:51:30.000 Then Nate told me some things, and it was kind of interesting.

02:51:32.000 And then I started to...

02:51:34.000 Actually come upon the fact where I know certain people in the industry that help these guys do these things.

02:51:41.000 And I'm like, oh yeah?

02:51:42.000 He's like, yeah, he came in here.

02:51:43.000 He was this much.

02:51:44.000 He gave him this.

02:51:45.000 I'm like, what?

02:51:46.000 So what do these guys do if USADA shows up?

02:51:49.000 They got fake dicks.

02:51:50.000 They got fake dicks.

02:51:51.000 You tell me, sir.

02:51:52.000 Those dudes with the wisdom neighbors.

02:51:53.000 I would imagine it's probably pretty easy to figure out who's all tested positive.

02:51:58.000 I don't fucking know what these guys are doing.

02:52:00.000 And listen, I'm not a drug guy.

02:52:01.000 I'm not trying to find out how to break the rules.

02:52:04.000 I don't know.

02:52:05.000 I'm not saying that.

02:52:05.000 I'm saying, like, how are they getting away with it?

02:52:08.000 I wish I knew the password.

02:52:10.000 I'm saying...

02:52:11.000 The million dollar question.

02:52:12.000 It seems like if someone was doing that...

02:52:16.000 If someone's doing that all the time, it seems like they would get busted today.

02:52:21.000 You would think so.

02:52:23.000 You would think so.

02:52:24.000 But listen.

02:52:26.000 I've been...

02:52:26.000 So what kind of stuff do they take?

02:52:27.000 Okay, okay, Joe, I'm gonna keep it 100 with you.

02:52:29.000 Please do.

02:52:29.000 I've been...

02:52:30.000 I've been...

02:52:31.000 I've been eight...

02:52:32.000 Like, uh, what's her name?

02:52:33.000 I've been eight months without being tested.

02:52:35.000 You can't tell me I couldn't be in known shit?

02:52:36.000 Yeah, but you couldn't because what if you decided to take something today...

02:52:40.000 And they popped up on me.

02:52:41.000 Yeah.

02:52:41.000 That's always the possibility, but they're risking that for millions of dollars.

02:52:45.000 You called them in.

02:52:46.000 We're talking about millions of dollars.

02:52:48.000 They come all the time.

02:52:48.000 Come on!

02:52:49.000 You gotta come now.

02:52:50.000 Come out here and check this.

02:52:52.000 Come check this.

02:52:54.000 Come check this, sir.

02:52:55.000 If I'm going to be this way, I'm going to say this, I've got to stand on it.

02:52:58.000 Right?

02:52:58.000 And so, like, what's her name?

02:53:00.000 She was a Russian fighter.

02:53:01.000 She's like, listen, I've been from here.

02:53:04.000 And she trained in Thailand, too.

02:53:06.000 I'm from Romania.

02:53:07.000 I was in Thailand.

02:53:08.000 They haven't tested me in a whole year.

02:53:10.000 Wow.

02:53:11.000 You know?

02:53:12.000 I'm like...

02:53:12.000 But the idea is that if you have a big fight coming up, they could.

02:53:16.000 Yeah.

02:53:16.000 A big fight?

02:53:16.000 They could just show up.

02:53:18.000 Especially if you have a...

02:53:19.000 A big fight?

02:53:20.000 But if you only got a big card and they know...

02:53:22.000 That's why they didn't get tested.

02:53:23.000 Let's give them a chance.

02:53:24.000 Let's test them.

02:53:25.000 That's why they didn't get tested.

02:53:26.000 There's what that didn't get tested?

02:53:27.000 Flights that didn't get tested.

02:53:28.000 I'm sure.

02:53:29.000 Oh, at all?

02:53:29.000 Because I didn't just come.

02:53:30.000 No.

02:53:31.000 Wait a minute.

02:53:31.000 So they didn't test you the entire camp?

02:53:33.000 Yes!

02:53:34.000 Wow.

02:53:34.000 Yes!

02:53:35.000 So how come some guys have like...

02:53:36.000 Cody has like a 50 jacket.

02:53:38.000 Yeah!

02:53:39.000 I'm trying to get my jacket.

02:53:41.000 I'm like, what?

02:53:41.000 Where my jacket at?

02:53:43.000 I asked them that.

02:53:44.000 I'm like, where my jacket at?

02:53:45.000 I want my little sticker and my little...

02:53:48.000 I want all that!

02:53:49.000 Here's the problem with that jacket.

02:53:51.000 If you're not testing anybody uniformly, you give people the opportunity to get one of those jackets.

02:53:57.000 Yeah!

02:53:58.000 If they're not testing you at all, and they're testing some dude 50 times...

02:54:02.000 He's getting all the...

02:54:03.000 Why's he getting a jacket?

02:54:04.000 Yeah!

02:54:04.000 It's just like, because you persecuted him?

02:54:07.000 It was a clean athlete?

02:54:09.000 Are you giving him a nice little candy?

02:54:10.000 And now they can walk around and say they're clean.

02:54:12.000 I hear that they're doing something new too.

02:54:13.000 The fuck are they doing?

02:54:14.000 I want to say like, they're giving necklaces or something like that now.

02:54:18.000 Oh boy.

02:54:18.000 They get something new.

02:54:20.000 But yeah, so what do you think about the new, I guess it's the fan bonus?

02:54:26.000 I heard some news about that.

02:54:27.000 I do not know about this.

02:54:29.000 That the UFC is going to be giving 50 grand away in crypto?

02:54:32.000 UFC to implement fan vote.

02:54:34.000 No, it's not.

02:54:35.000 It's not the same thing.

02:54:36.000 No?

02:54:37.000 UFC to implement fan-voted...

02:54:39.000 Bitkom, yeah, they're giving Bitkom away.

02:54:41.000 To be paid in Bitcoin.

02:54:42.000 Bitcoin, yeah.

02:54:43.000 And it'll be sponsored by Crypto.com, UFC's cryptocurrency partner.

02:54:47.000 The winner will get $30,000 US dollars in Bitcoin.

02:54:52.000 Second place gets $20,000 in Bitcoin.

02:54:54.000 Third place gets $10,000.

02:54:56.000 Interesting.

02:54:57.000 That's dope.

02:54:58.000 Yeah.

02:54:58.000 So they're giving away cryptocurrency.

02:55:00.000 Yeah, I'm like, that's interesting.

02:55:01.000 So now we get into this crypto market, you know?

02:55:03.000 And the fact The fact that they're doing it as a bonus is nice.

02:55:05.000 I like that.

02:55:06.000 And then the fans can decide.

02:55:07.000 The fans decide on it then.

02:55:08.000 Right.

02:55:09.000 I think it should be.

02:55:10.000 But how do you do that if you have a Gilbert Burns, Hamzat, Chemaia fight?

02:55:15.000 How do you not give both of those guys a bonus for that?

02:55:18.000 Dana did.

02:55:19.000 Dana gave Gilbert his win bonus.

02:55:22.000 Thank God they are.

02:55:25.000 Because in that situation, the fan bonus, how do the fans vote there?

02:55:30.000 They should be able to vote in a certain situation.

02:55:32.000 If enough people say yes, they should be able to give it to two people.

02:55:36.000 Because it's not just one...

02:55:38.000 Yeah, it should be given to both fighters.

02:55:39.000 Both fighters were exemplary.

02:55:41.000 You think it's going to be a bonus that they only give one fighter to?

02:55:44.000 It shouldn't be.

02:55:45.000 It definitely shouldn't.

02:55:46.000 It shouldn't go to just Hamzat after the performance that Gilbert put in.

02:55:49.000 I mean, that was an amazing performance.

02:55:50.000 When he spun Hamzat's face around with that right hand, I'm like, holy, Hamzat has a fucking chin, man.

02:55:58.000 Because Gilbert cracked him.

02:56:00.000 I still got to go home and study it.

02:56:02.000 Oh my goodness, what a fight.

02:56:03.000 I haven't got to watch the fight yet, I'm going to be honest.

02:56:04.000 What a fight, what a fight.

02:56:05.000 And I'm hearing about it, you know, and this was a true test for Jermiah to really get an eye on him and see, how good are you, kid?

02:56:13.000 Gilbert landed more strikes.

02:56:15.000 Gilbert posted on his Instagram, like the numbers, the breakdowns and the numbers, which, you know, obviously doesn't mean everything, because a person could land...

02:56:23.000 Because I think if someone could land many grazing shots and someone plants you with one, that one counts way more.

02:56:33.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:56:34.000 That's where I'm trying to get to is how do you see fighting?

02:56:36.000 That's where we have an issue with judging.

02:56:38.000 But it's so subjective, but that's the point.

02:56:41.000 Some people think a takedown is everything.

02:56:43.000 Some people think a takedown only means something if you do damage.

02:56:46.000 If the guy gets back up and you took him down, That's something, but you haven't inhibited him at all.

02:56:53.000 All you've done is taken him down.

02:56:55.000 You haven't, like, hurt him.

02:56:56.000 Because that happens oftentimes, where you see a takedown, and then it's just a positional scramble, and then the person gets up to their feet, and no exchanges.

02:56:56.000 Yeah.

02:57:05.000 No strikes, lands at all.

02:57:06.000 But that guy's winning the round.

02:57:07.000 But he wins the round for that, which I think it should be worth something if you do damage, something if you threaten for a submission, but then less of a thing if nothing happens.

02:57:16.000 Exactly.

02:57:16.000 No ground and pound at all.

02:57:18.000 And I think that's where it's subjective, because I think we can decide what is most effective.

02:57:24.000 Is a guy backing up and catching the counter shots more effective?

02:57:27.000 Or is it you coming forward and being aggressive?

02:57:31.000 Because that's the other thing.

02:57:32.000 People say, oh, the aggressor should be awarded more points.

02:57:35.000 Like, always?

02:57:36.000 Because maybe that guy's just making a tactical error.

02:57:39.000 If he's making a tactical error, the guy who avoids that error should be rewarded.

02:57:43.000 This is a good conversation between people that understand that.

02:57:48.000 I think the problem that we have is our judges are not educated.

02:57:51.000 Oh, I don't think that's true.

02:57:51.000 I think a lot of them are educated.

02:57:53.000 You think a lot of them train?

02:57:54.000 Yes, I do.

02:57:56.000 And a lot of them have old backgrounds in martial arts.

02:57:59.000 Yeah, I do.

02:58:00.000 I just don't, I don't know how many great ones there are.

02:58:03.000 I think it's a hard fucking job.

02:58:05.000 It's like hardest job, fighter.

02:58:07.000 Second hardest job, referee.

02:58:08.000 Third hardest job, judge.

02:58:10.000 That's what I think.

02:58:11.000 Yeah, because you're fucking, you're putting a guy's career, you're putting it out there, like the Jan Sterling fight, for instance.

02:58:19.000 Very close fight.

02:58:20.000 You look at it, you go, wow, how do you score this, you know?

02:58:23.000 For sure, Jan, the fourth and fifth, it looked like he won those two championship rounds.

02:58:30.000 But damn, we got to see some phenomenal grappling.

02:58:36.000 We got to see Al Jermaine put on a fucking back clinic.

02:58:40.000 A back-taking clinic and holding.

02:58:42.000 That's against a guy who trained to avoid his back.

02:58:46.000 That's all.

02:58:47.000 I mean, Al Jermaine is the backpack.

02:58:49.000 Everybody knows he's a master at the rear naked choke.

02:58:51.000 So he's a void.

02:58:52.000 That's what he's wanting to avoid.

02:58:53.000 And he gets there anywhere.

02:58:54.000 And once he gets there, he can't get free.

02:58:56.000 The entire round.

02:58:58.000 He didn't have an escape for the body lock.

02:59:01.000 That's true, but also the entire round, he's just defending against being strangled.

02:59:08.000 Like, almost the entire round.

02:59:09.000 That's worth a lot!

02:59:11.000 The idea that that's a 10-9 is, to me, crazy.

02:59:15.000 Yeah, okay, I see what you're saying.

02:59:17.000 Crazy!

02:59:18.000 So, fan bonuses, previous fan bonuses, Hamza Chmaev, Volkanovski, and Pyotr Jan.

02:59:25.000 You want to talk about a dude who's on another level.

02:59:25.000 Volkanovski.

02:59:28.000 Holy shit.

02:59:28.000 He was there too.

02:59:29.000 We trained with him, Peter, and the other guy in Thailand at Tiger.

02:59:33.000 And this kid, Volkanovski, was fucking cool.

02:59:37.000 He was like the only cool one out of that whole fucking group.

02:59:39.000 He's very cool.

02:59:40.000 Very cool.

02:59:41.000 And my God, is he good.

02:59:41.000 He worked his ass off too.

02:59:42.000 He was a hard worker.

02:59:43.000 My God, is he good.

02:59:45.000 He's so goddamn good.

02:59:46.000 This weekend, I was stunned.

02:59:48.000 I was stunned watching that performance.

02:59:50.000 Because I knew, you know, everybody knows Korean Zombie's tough.

02:59:53.000 Everybody knows that Volkanovski is vicious.

02:59:58.000 Vicious.

02:59:59.000 He's fantastic at ground and pound, vicious striking.

03:00:02.000 But all that shit was on a totally different level Saturday night.

03:00:06.000 Like all of his footwork and movement, his ability to avoid counters, his timing.

03:00:11.000 It was so precise.

03:00:12.000 The fights with Max, man.

03:00:14.000 You know what I mean?

03:00:15.000 Yeah.

03:00:15.000 You gather so much knowledge in fights like that.

03:00:18.000 You know what I mean?

03:00:19.000 I think he's even better now.

03:00:21.000 I mean, I think he gets better every time we see him, and I think that was the best version of him by far.

03:00:25.000 Not that all the other versions weren't super impressive, too.

03:00:28.000 He's just even better than he was before.

03:00:30.000 I mean, that was a fucking masterclass.

03:00:32.000 That was a masterclass in hitting someone and not getting hit.

03:00:35.000 Yeah.

03:00:36.000 And just imposing your will.

03:00:39.000 That's what we try to do.

03:00:39.000 That's...

03:00:40.000 It's incredible.

03:00:41.000 You were showing fan bonuses there?

03:00:43.000 Was that already happening?

03:00:43.000 Yeah, that's the fan bonuses.

03:00:45.000 Oh snap.

03:00:46.000 So that was these past three guys.

03:00:48.000 So say Bitcoin goes up or down, will that 30G change?

03:00:54.000 I don't know.

03:00:54.000 That's a good question.

03:00:55.000 No, because it said 10,000.

03:00:56.000 I could be like a millionaire tomorrow if you just skyrocket.

03:00:59.000 It might.

03:01:00.000 It said 10,000 of a Bitcoin.

03:01:02.000 $10,000 worth of Bitcoin?

03:01:05.000 Oh, so no matter what, it'll always be $10,000?

03:01:05.000 Of a Bitcoin, yeah.

03:01:07.000 Is that what they're doing?

03:01:08.000 Oh, that's dark.

03:01:08.000 That's why I read it.

03:01:09.000 So then that means U.S. currency has infected Bitcoin.

03:01:13.000 Man, Bitcoin is everywhere now.

03:01:16.000 Oh, it will.

03:01:16.000 When they start printing more dollars, watch what happens, bro.

03:01:20.000 He's a big Bitcoin.

03:01:20.000 Don't even start with his Bitcoin.

03:01:21.000 He's a big Bitcoin advocate.

03:01:24.000 You know?

03:01:25.000 And then you got this Ethereum stuff coming.

03:01:27.000 And I'm so confused.

03:01:29.000 I don't know anything about anything.

03:01:30.000 It's still new.

03:01:32.000 It's a bunch of numbers, so it's hard for me to trust.

03:01:34.000 They offer you this fight with Islam.

03:01:37.000 They offer it to you on a short amount of notice.

03:01:40.000 You take this fight.

03:01:41.000 When they do something like that, do they say to you, like, hey, we really appreciate you doing this.

03:01:46.000 I know this is kind of a crazy thing to ask for.

03:01:48.000 So if you do this, we'll hook you up next time.

03:01:53.000 Do you guys have those kind of conversations?

03:01:55.000 I wish.

03:01:56.000 I feel like I just do what I'm told.

03:01:59.000 My manager does all the talking.

03:02:01.000 Do you just rather not think about it and just concentrate on the training and the fighting?

03:02:06.000 I'll hit Sean up every once in a while and just send him some good love.

03:02:10.000 Hit Dana up, send him some love.

03:02:11.000 But I don't ever talk business or anything like that.

03:02:14.000 That's the manager stop.

03:02:15.000 That's good.

03:02:16.000 Good for you, man.

03:02:17.000 I don't want to get on their bad side or anything like that.

03:02:19.000 So they hit me up about it and I'm like...

03:02:22.000 Like, fuck, Jason, I just got out of a fight.

03:02:24.000 My hands were still swollen.

03:02:26.000 I got some knots from checking kicks, and you want me to go get in here?

03:02:30.000 How many days out have you been removed from your last fight?

03:02:34.000 Three or four.

03:02:35.000 So it was three or four days out from your last fight, then you get this phone call.

03:02:39.000 Yeah.

03:02:40.000 That is so crazy.

03:02:41.000 Because it's two weeks total.

03:02:43.000 So what is your thoughts?

03:02:43.000 Right.

03:02:44.000 Are you thinking at this point in time that this isn't wise?

03:02:47.000 And that, you know, it's too much to ask.

03:02:51.000 You just had a fight and got banged up.

03:02:54.000 But also, there's an amazing opportunity.

03:02:56.000 How do you decide?

03:02:57.000 How do I decide?

03:03:00.000 How I decide this is like, one, I felt like, alright, I got two different pathways.

03:03:05.000 One is, you can do this, and it's all the bad.

03:03:08.000 It's gonna be an embarrassment, okay?

03:03:10.000 I know what's coming, because you're throwing this shit together.

03:03:12.000 You're not prepared.

03:03:14.000 You're still fucked up.

03:03:16.000 You're out of shape.

03:03:17.000 You need to get the weight down.

03:03:19.000 I realize all things are coming with this.

03:03:23.000 Just the media alone for a main event show is fucking nuts, Joe.

03:03:26.000 I didn't know that.

03:03:27.000 How much more is it?

03:03:29.000 What do you have to do?

03:03:29.000 For instance, I pull up to the gym.

03:03:33.000 Sam had been calling me and telling me, yeah, these guys are calling about doing this, but he didn't let you know that, hey, it's like...

03:03:41.000 They're very invasive.

03:03:42.000 Very invasive.

03:03:43.000 So I pull up, and there are already cameras on me, and I'm like, what's going on?

03:03:47.000 And had I known, I would have came in my good car.

03:03:49.000 I came in my beat-up car that I used for gas.

03:03:52.000 I'm like, we were filming now?

03:03:54.000 I didn't know.

03:03:54.000 What are you guys filming?

03:03:55.000 I'm not ready.

03:03:56.000 My hair's not cut.

03:03:57.000 No, they don't care.

03:03:59.000 We're just filming, filming.

03:04:00.000 They want to get in your car and ride everywhere around with you.

03:04:03.000 You can't go to no food without them.

03:04:04.000 They want to watch you cook.

03:04:06.000 I'm just like, What?

03:04:07.000 And I'm not used to this.

03:04:08.000 I don't know what's going on.

03:04:09.000 And you don't have a yes or a no.

03:04:10.000 You can't say.

03:04:11.000 I'm trying to play with the show.

03:04:12.000 I'm trying to do what.

03:04:14.000 And so I hear guys like, Nate tell them to fuck off.

03:04:17.000 And I can see why.

03:04:18.000 Because why?

03:04:20.000 It gets tiresome.

03:04:22.000 And so that's just one piece.

03:04:24.000 Two, the media.

03:04:25.000 Do they interrupt your training?

03:04:27.000 All the time.

03:04:28.000 All the time.

03:04:29.000 Can you turn the music down?

03:04:31.000 Turn it off?

03:04:33.000 Can you do some shadow boxing for us?

03:04:35.000 Oh, no.

03:04:35.000 Can you do this?

03:04:36.000 Can you do specific activities?

03:04:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:04:39.000 They're going to ask you to do this.

03:04:40.000 What the fuck is that?

03:04:41.000 But we don't want to interrupt your training.

03:04:43.000 They say that, but you are.

03:04:45.000 So in the middle of a training, they ask you to do specific kinds of exercises that aren't on your program?

03:04:45.000 Wait a minute.

03:04:50.000 Yes, for little things that they need, little bits and stuff that they're...

03:04:53.000 But that's crazy.

03:04:55.000 That should be afterwards.

03:04:56.000 You can't interrupt an actual training session.

03:04:59.000 For the most point, it usually is.

03:05:00.000 But...

03:05:01.000 Are they engaging with you while you're actually training and talking to you?

03:05:05.000 No, they'll sit back and they'll watch and let you do your thing.

03:05:07.000 They'll let you do your thing from the most point.

03:05:09.000 But it's just like...

03:05:10.000 So how are they asking you to shadow box and stuff then?

03:05:12.000 They're asking me to shadowbox and stuff.

03:05:14.000 We don't want to stop you.

03:05:16.000 Hey, can we get a little bit of this for me?

03:05:16.000 They'll stop me.

03:05:19.000 Or we need these things?

03:05:20.000 And kind of explain what they're trying to do.

03:05:22.000 And I'm like, all right, we'll get to that.

03:05:23.000 We'll get to that.

03:05:24.000 We finish this stuff up.

03:05:25.000 We finish this.

03:05:26.000 Then we give them what they need.

03:05:27.000 But it's just part of the game.

03:05:29.000 But could you imagine them doing that to any other professional athlete?

03:05:32.000 Could you imagine?

03:05:33.000 It's just part of the game.

03:05:35.000 Does that happen to Floyd Mayweather, do you think?

03:05:38.000 No.

03:05:39.000 I think there's different levels, so you gotta accept it for the promotion level.

03:05:47.000 This is great promotion.

03:05:49.000 Embedded is great promotion.

03:05:51.000 Yeah, you want to put your promotion, you want to put your stuff out.

03:05:53.000 So you have to accept it.

03:05:54.000 So you just deal with the intrusion.

03:05:56.000 But they should just stay the fuck out of your training.

03:05:58.000 Film what you film, but don't say, Shadowbox, please.

03:06:02.000 Even your privacy, where me and my coach are doing game planning.

03:06:06.000 But that's crazy.

03:06:07.000 They do that when we go in the back, like we're getting ready to come out to fight.

03:06:10.000 And the cameras will come in, hey, can you guys do this and do this?

03:06:13.000 Oh my god, that's crazy.

03:06:15.000 You can't fuck with the preparation.

03:06:17.000 You can't mix the preparation in with theater.

03:06:20.000 Well, you get his mind in the right mental state.

03:06:23.000 But the show has to go on.

03:06:24.000 They need this for the show.

03:06:25.000 Yeah, but they need...

03:06:26.000 No, no, no, no, no.

03:06:26.000 Need it for the show.

03:06:27.000 You need to organically catch people hitting pads.

03:06:29.000 True that.

03:06:30.000 You know, so have someone in there that's filming that can catch you kicking pads and stays out of the way, and then you got footage, and then you have someone cut that footage in whenever you want to show someone preparing.

03:06:39.000 They'll be like, we'll be doing sparring today, and they'll be like, oh, well...

03:06:42.000 Aren't you doing some, like, strength and conditioning?

03:06:44.000 Can you do some runs?

03:06:45.000 I'm like, no, that's not until tomorrow we do those.

03:06:47.000 Well, can you, like, just run and do this for us?

03:06:51.000 Oh, my God.

03:06:52.000 Like, today's not striking day.

03:06:54.000 Well, can you?

03:06:55.000 See, that's my point.

03:06:56.000 It's like, that alone is a problem because no one should be talking to you.

03:07:01.000 If you're getting ready for a big fight, your head should be entirely screwed into that, not other people telling you.

03:07:07.000 And I know it's only one day, but it doesn't matter if it's only one day.

03:07:10.000 Not just one day!

03:07:11.000 Oh, they're there a lot.

03:07:12.000 Yes!

03:07:13.000 The whole ten days.

03:07:15.000 And doing that the whole time?

03:07:16.000 Yes!

03:07:16.000 Talking to you the whole time?

03:07:17.000 Listen, my other coach, Sam, he's a really nice guy.

03:07:21.000 But he started getting irritated.

03:07:23.000 Oh my god.

03:07:24.000 You could see it, and Sam is not confrontational, but you could just read it, because I know him, I could read his energy.

03:07:30.000 And I asked him a question, and He didn't answer the question.

03:07:34.000 Like, for instance, where are you guys going next?

03:07:36.000 He doesn't want to go and he doesn't want you guys to film.

03:07:39.000 But so he'll be like, oh, we're not going to be doing anything.

03:07:41.000 But then they went around and they asked me.

03:07:44.000 Oh, my God.

03:07:45.000 And didn't tell me they asked him.

03:07:47.000 So I'm like, oh, Sam didn't tell you.

03:07:48.000 We're going to.

03:07:49.000 Oh, no.

03:07:50.000 We're going to.

03:07:51.000 Can we come along?

03:07:51.000 Oh, yeah.

03:07:53.000 Yeah, but yeah.

03:07:54.000 And next year, Sam, I got to talk.

03:07:56.000 So you can say no?

03:07:58.000 They say you can say no, but...

03:07:59.000 It's just weird.

03:08:01.000 You can say no, but it's like, we need our footage.

03:08:05.000 They make you feel like, well, you're not giving us the footage.

03:08:07.000 We need this.

03:08:08.000 Right, and then you can't complain about not being promoted.

03:08:11.000 And then if it's not good...

03:08:12.000 Right, because that's a thing too, right?

03:08:13.000 They want it again.

03:08:14.000 It's not good enough.

03:08:14.000 We need it again, you know?

03:08:16.000 Like, shit like that.

03:08:17.000 Like, one time I was so tired and so in a bad mood, I shot a terrible-ass interview.

03:08:21.000 I was just like...

03:08:22.000 You know?

03:08:23.000 So then, like, they're like, that was shit.

03:08:25.000 Like, can you...

03:08:26.000 And I had to do the whole hour again.

03:08:27.000 Remember that one time Holloway gave an interview and it was so odd that they didn't want him to fight?

03:08:33.000 No.

03:08:33.000 Yeah.

03:08:34.000 He had the same thing I had where his eyes looked funny.

03:08:37.000 Everybody's looking at him.

03:08:38.000 Are you okay?

03:08:39.000 He was just real tired.

03:08:40.000 One of my eyes was doing the same thing.

03:08:42.000 It was like, I was cutting a lot of weight.

03:08:44.000 I'm doing all this stuff.

03:08:46.000 Detoxing.

03:08:46.000 You know, everything's happening at once.

03:08:49.000 And one of my eyes, I kept saying, why is my eyes stuck like this?

03:08:51.000 Like it was like one was stuck.

03:08:53.000 Like I look like weird.

03:08:54.000 Max had something going on.

03:08:56.000 I don't remember what it was, but it all cleared up, whatever it was.

03:08:59.000 Max had something going on, and he was trying to make weight.

03:09:03.000 Something happened.

03:09:03.000 They were concerned that he sounded odd, right?

03:09:05.000 And we never figured out what happened, what it was.

03:09:07.000 Same thing happened with me.

03:09:08.000 I don't know what happened, but my kidneys shut down, one of my lungs collapsed.

03:09:14.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

03:09:16.000 I failed making weight.

03:09:17.000 So it's the weight cut thing again.

03:09:18.000 I think that was what Max did.

03:09:20.000 I think that was a short notice fight for him to do that.

03:09:22.000 You know what I think it is, to be honest with you, is they have these infrared photos.

03:09:25.000 But he was fighting at 55 for that fight.

03:09:27.000 I remember that.

03:09:28.000 He was fighting at 55 for that fight, and he had something gone.

03:09:30.000 Yeah, he was down there, and he had no idea that he was going to fight.

03:09:33.000 Tony had fallen, tripped on some wires, and tore his knee apart.

03:09:39.000 And so he had to take that fight on super-duper short notice.

03:09:43.000 I wonder if that was it, though.

03:09:45.000 I feel like it was another time.

03:09:46.000 I had the fight on two weeks' notice.

03:09:46.000 Same thing for me.

03:09:48.000 But I don't think that was connected.

03:09:49.000 I don't think that was...

03:09:51.000 He never said it.

03:09:52.000 No, no, no.

03:09:53.000 I think we're confusing stories.

03:09:54.000 Yeah?

03:09:54.000 Yeah, because I think there was one which was the New York State Athletic Commission, I believe, looked at him...

03:10:02.000 I think he had it twice!

03:10:03.000 I think this was one where the New York State Athletic Commission looked at him cutting the weight and they're like, we're gonna stop you right here.

03:10:10.000 And he was like, I can still do this.

03:10:11.000 And they're like, no, we're gonna stop your weight cut.

03:10:13.000 And then the other one was an interview that he did where he was talking to someone and they felt like he seems too tired.

03:10:22.000 Like he seemed really tired.

03:10:24.000 And they were trying to figure out what was wrong with him, but they attributed to like...

03:10:29.000 Him being jet-lagged or something else.

03:10:31.000 But since then, had some of his finest performances, like the Calvin Cater fight.

03:10:36.000 So whatever it was...

03:10:37.000 It went away.

03:10:38.000 It went away.

03:10:38.000 Same with me.

03:10:39.000 They don't know exactly what it is, right?

03:10:42.000 Is that the case?

03:10:42.000 Probably hydration.

03:10:44.000 That's what I believe in.

03:10:45.000 When you take these short notice and you have to put those things together, what it does, your body has to cut that weight.

03:10:49.000 Those Volkanovski fights were wild.

03:10:51.000 I was so bummed out.

03:10:53.000 I mean, I wanted to see that third fight.

03:10:55.000 I wanted to see how that plays out.

03:10:57.000 Because Max has never looked better, and then Volkanovski on Saturday night has never looked better.

03:11:03.000 That's the fight.

03:11:05.000 That's the next fight, I hope.

03:11:07.000 I hope they do that.

03:11:08.000 It's a fucking crazy matchup.

03:11:10.000 But then Cejudo's talking about coming out of retirement.

03:11:14.000 So if he comes back, says he's going to get back into the testing pool, how long does he have to be in it before they let him in?

03:11:21.000 Max Holloway.

03:11:22.000 I have no idea.

03:11:23.000 So let's hear what he sounds like.

03:11:25.000 Because maybe they exaggerated.

03:11:26.000 See his eye?

03:11:27.000 Yeah.

03:11:27.000 You're giving me with this emoji.

03:11:30.000 Alright.

03:11:30.000 His eye.

03:11:31.000 Yeah.

03:11:33.000 That's when I give the answer.

03:11:34.000 Anyway, listen.

03:11:36.000 Brian Ortega.

03:11:36.000 On to the fight.

03:11:37.000 Is this the biggest challenge to your title or what?

03:11:42.000 You know, the next fight is always the biggest fight.

03:11:42.000 For sure.

03:11:44.000 Who does?

03:11:45.000 Ortega is the next guy up.

03:11:47.000 You know, he got a great team.

03:11:49.000 He's a great guy, great team behind him, and that's why he's here in front of me.

03:11:53.000 I like this kid.

03:11:55.000 This kid's good.

03:11:56.000 I don't think this seems like there's anything wrong with him.

03:12:00.000 I'm not trying to start anything here, Max, but it seems like Ortega's getting a lot of shine.

03:12:05.000 I don't know if they say it during this.

03:12:07.000 No, they said, I think you seem tired.

03:12:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, watch.

03:12:11.000 As we get to it.

03:12:15.000 It is what it is.

03:12:17.000 This show knows that segment.

03:12:21.000 I feel great, man.

03:12:23.000 It's good.

03:12:24.000 This fight is getting a lot of hype.

03:12:26.000 I couldn't ask for more.

03:12:27.000 I was talking to DC. People are telling DC that these numbers are going to be high, you know?

03:12:33.000 Like I said, with the Khabib fight, we was record-breaking.

03:12:39.000 Dana White was saying that UFC 205 was on that timeline to break it.

03:12:45.000 You don't see his eyes the way it looks?

03:12:47.000 That's what they're saying about this fight, so it's huge.

03:12:50.000 Well, Max, you say you feel great.

03:12:51.000 And, you know, don't be offended when I say this.

03:12:54.000 But you look like you just got out of bed.

03:12:56.000 What's going on?

03:12:56.000 Are you tired?

03:12:57.000 You know, are you drained?

03:12:59.000 I mean, you look a little sleepy.

03:13:02.000 I'm good, man.

03:13:03.000 I'm a little bit tired.

03:13:03.000 I'm good.

03:13:04.000 They got to be doing a bunch of media stuff, but I'll be fine, man.

03:13:07.000 I can't wait.

03:13:08.000 I can't wait to go out there and do a damn thing.

03:13:09.000 Good to know.

03:13:10.000 As I say, no offense, but you just look like, you know, you're ready to fall asleep on me.

03:13:14.000 Tired.

03:13:14.000 His eyes.

03:13:15.000 He's like, how'd you even see that?

03:13:16.000 Trying to cut weight.

03:13:17.000 Yeah, but he's in the middle of cutting weight.

03:13:18.000 Like, that's unfair.

03:13:19.000 Yeah, that's...

03:13:20.000 Man, that's the hard part.

03:13:22.000 Yeah, like, these guys start trying to...

03:13:24.000 How can someone look at him based on that and say, you know, we're going to pull you from the fight?

03:13:26.000 How about stop the weight cutting?

03:13:29.000 Stop all weight cutting.

03:13:32.000 If anybody wanted to do anything to make MMA better, I mean, more weight classes, less weight cutting.

03:13:37.000 You were asking about the media.

03:13:38.000 I woke up at 9. I didn't get done with media until maybe 3 o'clock.

03:13:43.000 Oh my god, that's crazy.

03:13:44.000 And then you have to train after that?

03:13:46.000 I didn't have enough time to really drink water like that because it was interview after interview after interview after interview after interview.

03:13:46.000 Yes.

03:13:52.000 And so it's like you're not hydrating.

03:13:54.000 There's all these little things that you have to take into consideration when you're doing the main events.

03:13:58.000 Here's this statement.

03:13:59.000 Max team and UFC staff notice Max was not normal since late last week This became obvious to many watching his interviews and public appearances the fact the past few days He was showing concussion like symptoms before he even started the weight cut and was rushed to the ER on Monday Where they admitted him overnight initial scans seemed okay, but he was released Tuesday afternoon but symptoms still continued Max fought with his team to continue the fight and

03:14:25.000 He showed some improvement over the next day, but was still showing obvious symptoms.

03:14:30.000 After open workouts, he crashed and was very hard to wake up.

03:14:34.000 When he did, he had flashing vision and slurred speech.

03:14:37.000 He's now back in the ER for further tests.

03:14:39.000 Okay, so he must have had a concussion.

03:14:43.000 Probably got it in camp.

03:14:45.000 I thought it was two different things.

03:14:49.000 This was the same day that interview was posted too.

03:14:51.000 And this is the same day, this is the Khabib fight.

03:14:53.000 So this is how he got pulled from it.

03:14:55.000 That's when he's fighting at the 55, right?

03:14:57.000 So it wasn't just that he was cutting weight.

03:15:00.000 It seems like it was way more complicated.

03:15:01.000 So that was the narrative, though, that was that they stopped his weight cutting.

03:15:04.000 Yes.

03:15:05.000 That seems way worse, right?

03:15:08.000 Well, it's like, I mean, there's no getting around head trauma in MMA. It's just, it's a part of the game.

03:15:17.000 It is 100% a part of the game.

03:15:18.000 And a guy like Max Holloway, who's such a good boxer, how do you get to be a good boxer?

03:15:22.000 You do a lot of fucking sparring.

03:15:23.000 Yes.

03:15:24.000 That's part of it.

03:15:25.000 Look how good Sean Strickland is.

03:15:26.000 And one of the reasons why is he spars a lot.

03:15:29.000 You know Sean?

03:15:30.000 Sean, I grew up with Sean.

03:15:32.000 Did you really?

03:15:33.000 Yes.

03:15:33.000 We were all from the same area.

03:15:34.000 He started training with me at my instructor's academy when he was like 12. They're gonna do him.

03:15:42.000 Who is he fighting next?

03:15:45.000 I can't remember right off hand.

03:15:46.000 I heard they were trying to do Paulo Costa.

03:15:48.000 No, it's somebody else.

03:15:51.000 Pretty sure it's somebody else.

03:15:52.000 He kept saying, but they don't want me to fight you.

03:15:54.000 They don't want me to fight you.

03:15:55.000 Alex Pereira.

03:15:56.000 That's who I am.

03:15:57.000 Is that who you're fighting?

03:15:57.000 It's Alex Pereira.

03:15:58.000 Yes.

03:15:59.000 I just remember.

03:15:59.000 Am I right?

03:16:00.000 I'm right?

03:16:00.000 Yes.

03:16:01.000 It's Alex Pereira.

03:16:01.000 Holy shit.

03:16:02.000 That's the fucking fight.

03:16:03.000 Yeah.

03:16:03.000 UFC finalizing a middleweight bout between Sean Strickland, Alex Pereira, and July.

03:16:07.000 That's a good fucking fight right there.

03:16:09.000 Sean's a fucking crazy guy.

03:16:11.000 Strickland has a very interesting way of finding people's faces.

03:16:15.000 He's a very good striker.

03:16:17.000 Who you think he got it from?

03:16:19.000 From Bobby Green?

03:16:22.000 Who you think he got it from?

03:16:24.000 I'm not going to take all the credit, okay?

03:16:26.000 His ground game was always a sick ground game.

03:16:29.000 But my coach...

03:16:31.000 It would make me go over there to go train with him when he was over there.

03:16:35.000 And we would go at it, and I'd beat the shit out of him, but I'm a 55er, and he's an 85er.

03:16:41.000 Well, he was 70 at one point in time, right?

03:16:43.000 He dropped down to 70s, and then he went back up to 85s, but he was originally an 85. Oh, he originally started as an 85. Yeah, and so he was at that academy, and then he left there and went to Millennia.

03:16:52.000 So when he went to Millennia, Sean's a fucking asshole, okay?

03:16:59.000 He's a fucking asshole.

03:17:01.000 You seen his sparring footage?

03:17:02.000 Yes.

03:17:03.000 Come on!

03:17:04.000 He wasn't like that at first.

03:17:06.000 But he's a very aggressive person.

03:17:10.000 I told you, fighting, your personality comes out.

03:17:12.000 Right.

03:17:13.000 So if you do something to Sean that makes him feel, he's going to be dirty or mean.

03:17:19.000 So back when I'm King of the Cage champion, he's kind of still coming up himself.

03:17:24.000 I'm working with him.

03:17:26.000 One time we were with him.

03:17:27.000 This was for the Volkman fight.

03:17:30.000 This was the Volkman fight.

03:17:31.000 Yeah?

03:17:31.000 Yeah.

03:17:33.000 So I'm working out with him.

03:17:36.000 In between rounds, I'm going, whoa!

03:17:40.000 Hyping myself up.

03:17:41.000 Right.

03:17:41.000 Sean takes that as disrespect.

03:17:43.000 Oh, you disrespect me in my gym, you know?

03:17:46.000 He comes at me like some crazy maniac where...

03:17:50.000 We're stepping off the mats.

03:17:52.000 He had like this cage.

03:17:53.000 It was over.

03:17:53.000 But the way the cage is built is it's a door.

03:17:56.000 It's locked up all these ways, but the door is here.

03:17:58.000 So we kind of went off the door.

03:18:01.000 He's chasing me off the door.

03:18:02.000 One time we bumped into his coach.

03:18:04.000 And I go, oh my bad.

03:18:06.000 I'm doing that.

03:18:06.000 Sean cracked his ass.

03:18:08.000 Cracked me, gave me a concussion.

03:18:09.000 Really?

03:18:10.000 Yeah.

03:18:10.000 A few weeks before the Volkman fight.

03:18:12.000 We used to always get into it.

03:18:12.000 That's what I said.

03:18:14.000 He got tough not just from me, but other people.

03:18:18.000 So then when he left there, He came to another gym, Millennia.

03:18:23.000 And now, since he's an asshole, none of the white fighters, none of the other fighters, they don't want to fight with him.

03:18:31.000 He's going to go hard.

03:18:33.000 So only the black guys want to fight with him.

03:18:35.000 Only the black guys.

03:18:37.000 Me, Lorenz Larkin, there's another guy named Johnny Bravo.

03:18:43.000 Johnny Bravo's in the UFC. These are all my big homies.

03:18:46.000 They're all bigger than me.

03:18:47.000 We all spar together.

03:18:49.000 I'm the 55er.

03:18:50.000 They're heavyweights.

03:18:51.000 They're 205ers.

03:18:52.000 Lorenz was a 205er when I fought with him.

03:18:54.000 Y'all know if you're familiar with Lorenz Arkins.

03:18:56.000 Oh, absolutely.

03:18:56.000 Then he came down to 85. Then he came down to 70. His fight with Neil Magny is one of the most interesting clinics.

03:19:03.000 I learned fights from fighting him.

03:19:05.000 Watch him strike, man.

03:19:06.000 He does a lot of really interesting shit.

03:19:08.000 He does an oblique kick to the gut.

03:19:11.000 You know that kick he does?

03:19:12.000 He leans off to the side and hits you with that heel.

03:19:15.000 He's really good at that kick.

03:19:17.000 Against Magni, he used it like multiple times.

03:19:20.000 I was like, whoa, that's hard to...

03:19:22.000 High level strike.

03:19:22.000 That's hard to fade.

03:19:24.000 Very high level.

03:19:25.000 And so I used to get my ass kicked every day by him.

03:19:29.000 Lorenz is very, very fast.

03:19:30.000 That's how I learned how to fight was that he kicked the shit out of this leg, couldn't use this one, then he kicked the shit out of this one.

03:19:35.000 I'd go home, I'd be like, coach, look.

03:19:37.000 Excuse me.

03:19:38.000 The way I met Lorenz and that coach is once he went to jail, I didn't have a coach anymore.

03:19:43.000 So I'm like, go back to the Mexican guys.

03:19:45.000 I'm in their gym and I'm like, I'm gonna come back and work with you guys.

03:19:48.000 And as I'm talking to them, they go, hey, he comes in, he's looking for the best wrestler around.

03:19:54.000 I go, Bobby Green's the best wrestler.

03:19:55.000 So Lorenz is this heavyweight.

03:19:58.000 I take him down, work him, you know.

03:20:00.000 So from there, his coach wants me to start coming in to their gym and start working the wrestling.

03:20:06.000 So he's a striker.

03:20:07.000 I'm trying to work the wrestling, getting down, understanding wrestling, how to work defense, blah, blah, blah.

03:20:12.000 Right.

03:20:12.000 That's how I ended up meeting my striking coach.

03:20:14.000 But then from there, I'm like, hey, can I come?

03:20:16.000 Can I join the team?

03:20:17.000 Because my coach is gone.

03:20:18.000 Right.

03:20:19.000 Can I join the team?

03:20:20.000 Yeah, well, we got to work it out.

03:20:22.000 And then I ended up joining and working with Lorenz Larkin.

03:20:25.000 I got my striking really good from getting beat up every day.

03:20:29.000 Then Lorenz left there.

03:20:31.000 Sean leaves there.

03:20:32.000 They're now at Melania, and I go up there from time to time and work with my guys, you know?

03:20:37.000 And Sean got good from working with those guys.

03:20:41.000 Lorenz Larkins, Bobby Green, Joe...

03:20:44.000 Makes sense.

03:20:44.000 Yeah, so he used to say, like, none of the other guys want to go with me.

03:20:48.000 He used to say, you guys.

03:20:49.000 I'm like, what do you mean, you guys?

03:20:51.000 And you just say it.

03:20:52.000 You're black guys.

03:20:52.000 Only guys work with me.

03:20:55.000 He's right now knocking on the top of the division.

03:20:59.000 He is.

03:21:00.000 He's up there.

03:21:01.000 That fight is a really interesting fight because Pereira will oblige him in the stand-up.

03:21:06.000 Yes!

03:21:06.000 It's going to be like, how does he choose to fight this?

03:21:10.000 I would like to see.

03:21:11.000 And he's a good ground guy.

03:21:12.000 He's got great ground that he's shied away from.

03:21:14.000 I think that happens to fighters as we...

03:21:19.000 Go through this transition of being crowd-pleasers.

03:21:22.000 Like, for instance, Justin Gaethje started out wrestling, and he realized the energy it takes for one, but two, he's having so much more people and the excitement behind the stand-up aspect of it, you know?

03:21:35.000 Yeah, he became a big-time crowd-pleaser.

03:21:37.000 Crowd-pleaser.

03:21:38.000 Sean wants to be a crowd-pleaser.

03:21:39.000 Even after he won that last fight, he's like, fuck, I'm sorry.

03:21:43.000 Like, I wanted to bring more of a show to you guys.

03:21:45.000 He's a crowd player.

03:21:46.000 He's a real fighter.

03:21:47.000 Sean's real, for real.

03:21:48.000 Bring that shit.

03:21:48.000 Let's go.

03:21:49.000 That's why I used to use him.

03:21:50.000 So I would take Bobby in to go train with him because Sean was one of those guys, I don't give a fuck who you are.

03:21:54.000 You know, like, I'm gonna come hard.

03:21:56.000 Right.

03:21:56.000 So everybody kind of in the area was intimidated by Bobby in a lot of ways.

03:22:00.000 He was intimidated by Sean, too.

03:22:01.000 We're gonna figure out what's going on when those two fight because Pereira is a wicked striker, but Pereira had a good fight in his last fight with...

03:22:10.000 Was it Bruno Silva?

03:22:12.000 Was that the guy he fought?

03:22:15.000 The Brazilian cat?

03:22:16.000 Who was a really good striker, man.

03:22:18.000 He caught him with some good shots.

03:22:19.000 Was that the New York card?

03:22:19.000 Or did he fight after that?

03:22:20.000 When was that card?

03:22:22.000 Was that on the New York card?

03:22:24.000 Who was Alex Pereira's last opponent?

03:22:27.000 How many fights he has?

03:22:29.000 Bruno Silva.

03:22:30.000 Bruno Silva.

03:22:32.000 I just didn't want to fuck it up.

03:22:32.000 Okay, so he fought again.

03:22:33.000 He fought Bruno after he knocked out that one cat.

03:22:36.000 Yeah, I fought on that car with him, yeah.

03:22:37.000 Yeah, so he knocks out that one cat with a flying knee.

03:22:40.000 Yes, I was on that car with him, yeah.

03:22:40.000 And then he fights Bruno Silva.

03:22:43.000 So that was the Bruno Silva fight was his second.

03:22:46.000 Unanimous decision.

03:22:47.000 Michaelaitis.

03:22:48.000 So that was his first two UFC fights.

03:22:52.000 So one decision.

03:22:54.000 But Bruno Silva's fucking real.

03:22:56.000 He's a really good striker.

03:22:59.000 It was a good fight.

03:23:00.000 It was like Bruno Silva tested him.

03:23:02.000 Pereira won and Pereira wobbled him a few times and had him in real big trouble.

03:23:05.000 But it's going to be real interesting with Strickland because Strickland has a high volume approach too.

03:23:09.000 He stays on you.

03:23:10.000 Yeah.

03:23:11.000 And it's going to be interesting to see how he deals with...

03:23:15.000 That's an elite striker in Pereira.

03:23:19.000 Pereira is a fucking Amazon warrior.

03:23:21.000 I mean, that dude's something real.

03:23:22.000 I dealt with the same deal, so it's going to be a great question.

03:23:25.000 Is he going to be a tough guy?

03:23:26.000 And try to be a tough guy to stand, or he's going to be humble and try to win.

03:23:31.000 Do you say a Strickland or both guys?

03:23:33.000 I'm talking about Strickland.

03:23:35.000 So what do you think is his path to win?

03:23:37.000 His path to win?

03:23:38.000 The easiest path would pick him down.

03:23:39.000 He's got a great ground game.

03:23:41.000 Does he?

03:23:41.000 Yeah.

03:23:42.000 Well, maybe we'll see that.

03:23:43.000 He really stands up with everybody, but Pereira's been taken down before.

03:23:48.000 Mikolaitis took him down.

03:23:49.000 But the question is, he's not going to do it.

03:23:50.000 We haven't seen that lately.

03:23:52.000 He's become more of the striking base.

03:23:54.000 Maybe he'll just test the waters, you know?

03:23:56.000 Maybe he's going to test the waters.

03:23:58.000 Pereira's got real fucking power, man.

03:24:02.000 Real power.

03:24:03.000 He's got, like, world championship power.

03:24:05.000 And he's the only guy that ever holds two titles consecutively in glory.

03:24:09.000 He was the 85 and the 205 champion.

03:24:11.000 Wow, okay, okay.

03:24:12.000 Yeah, at the same time.

03:24:13.000 So he was, like, I just know him as his whole claim to being Izzy, you know?

03:24:17.000 Yeah, well, he did knock out Izzy, but it's also he trains with Glover, and Glover's resurgence, I think, is directly connected.

03:24:24.000 It's the same timeline as Pereira training with him.

03:24:28.000 It's the same timeline.

03:24:29.000 I mean, it's not that Glover wasn't always elite.

03:24:31.000 He's always been elite.

03:24:32.000 Glover's one of the best fighters in the world, for sure.

03:24:34.000 But I think having a fucking straight-up assassin That dude's terrifying.

03:24:41.000 He's a fucking assassin.

03:24:42.000 You zig when you shoot a zag with Pereira, it's night-night.

03:24:45.000 I mean, he makes everybody go to sleep.

03:24:47.000 If you watch some of his fights in Glory, like, holy shit, man.

03:24:51.000 Speaking of Glover, fucking great guy.

03:24:54.000 Animal!

03:24:54.000 What?

03:24:54.000 Oh, crap.

03:24:55.000 The best guy.

03:24:56.000 The best guy.

03:24:56.000 But how about wins the world title at 42?

03:24:59.000 That's what I'm getting to.

03:25:00.000 That's what I'm getting to.

03:25:01.000 So dope.

03:25:02.000 I was screaming on the TV when that happened.

03:25:04.000 As an underdog.

03:25:05.000 Amazing.

03:25:05.000 When he got his back and he got that forearm under the neck, I'm like, no way.

03:25:09.000 You know everybody's so happy for him.

03:25:12.000 Everybody's so happy for him.

03:25:13.000 You can't be a Glover hater.

03:25:15.000 Yeah, everybody's so happy.

03:25:16.000 I went with that moment, you know, where everybody's just like, you deserve it, you know?

03:25:20.000 We've seen him, and he's been up there and kind of failed and came back up there again, you know?

03:25:25.000 Yeah, I mean, Jon Jones.

03:25:26.000 Yeah, Jon Jones worked and came back.

03:25:27.000 Jon Jones fucked his shoulder up in that fight, too.

03:25:29.000 Yes, I talk about it all the time.

03:25:31.000 That move that Jon does with that overhook, he just wrenches it up.

03:25:33.000 Nobody uses it.

03:25:35.000 And that's what the creativity.

03:25:36.000 That's what I'm saying.

03:25:37.000 John is legendary.

03:25:38.000 Daddy's creativity.

03:25:39.000 Nobody thought about that move.

03:25:41.000 Nobody thought about come from here to there.

03:25:44.000 Nobody thought about these moves.

03:25:45.000 See, nobody ever accused Jon Jones of not being exciting.

03:25:49.000 Nobody ever thought that.

03:25:50.000 Bingo!

03:25:51.000 He's freaking deadly.

03:25:52.000 How about the Liotta Machida fight where he just drops him?

03:25:55.000 Chokes him unconscious.

03:25:56.000 Walk off.

03:25:57.000 Bingo!

03:25:57.000 It's one of the most brutal walk-off strangulations of all time.

03:26:01.000 Yeah.

03:26:02.000 Because he cinches up the choke, he gets a guillotine on him, cinches up the choke, and then just dumps him.

03:26:08.000 Yeah.

03:26:08.000 I mean, I think, if I want to say correctly, I think he did like a high guillotine.

03:26:14.000 Yeah.

03:26:14.000 Is that what he did?

03:26:15.000 Was it a high one?

03:26:16.000 Yeah.

03:26:16.000 Was it this one?

03:26:17.000 I think so.

03:26:18.000 Yeah.

03:26:18.000 It was like, whatever he did, he shut the lights out.

03:26:22.000 Let's see if we can...

03:26:23.000 There we go.

03:26:24.000 Watch this.

03:26:26.000 He pins him up against the cage.

03:26:30.000 There it is.

03:26:32.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:26:33.000 See, he pushes up with the other hand.

03:26:34.000 That's what he did.

03:26:35.000 That's right.

03:26:36.000 That's right.

03:26:36.000 I remember.

03:26:37.000 They never know how to use those limbs like that.

03:26:39.000 And John just held on.

03:26:40.000 He knew he was going to sleep.

03:26:41.000 That's why I hate about rolling with those tall, long guys.

03:26:44.000 I hate rolling with tall, long guys.

03:26:46.000 The way he walked away like that, I mean, that's Jon Jones in his prime right there.

03:26:49.000 They can do things that nobody else can do, you know?

03:26:53.000 Well, Jon always has great distance management.

03:26:55.000 That's the other thing about him.

03:26:56.000 You know, he uses his strengths.

03:26:58.000 The fact that he's so tall and long, he uses that too.

03:27:01.000 I'm just talking about the jujitsu aspect.

03:27:02.000 You know when you roll with the tall guys, you roll with them, it just sucks.

03:27:06.000 Sometimes, like, I'm in north-south, and they'll be able to take their legs and Stick them in.

03:27:12.000 You took the hooks in and take your back.

03:27:14.000 You're like, you shouldn't be able to do that, you know?

03:27:18.000 You shouldn't be able to do that.

03:27:20.000 I rode with somebody down in 10th Planet, San Diego, I want to say.

03:27:23.000 And it's this long black guy.

03:27:25.000 And he's got a little afro and stuff.

03:27:28.000 Man, just his flexibility was just unreal.

03:27:31.000 And he was so long, he could just take his foot and...

03:27:34.000 He took it all the way around my back and stuck it around here.

03:27:37.000 This hook.

03:27:38.000 Went all the way around and went in there.

03:27:40.000 I'm like...

03:27:41.000 This isn't fair!

03:27:42.000 Yeah, it's an advantage.

03:27:44.000 Yeah, I wonder what the advantage in grappling is.

03:27:47.000 I guess shorter limbs you could defend better.

03:27:49.000 Those guys dig underhooks and...

03:27:52.000 Yeah, shorter limbs.

03:27:53.000 Defend limb stuff, you know, maybe, but...

03:27:55.000 Maybe.

03:27:56.000 But, like...

03:27:57.000 Well, some guys that were short- You were thinking it'd be the adverse?

03:27:59.000 The scariest guy that was short was Paul Harris, right?

03:28:02.000 Oh, God.

03:28:03.000 That guy.

03:28:04.000 Nobody wants him around.

03:28:05.000 Probably not even 5'7 and 5'7 wide.

03:28:07.000 What happened to him?

03:28:08.000 And would grab ahold of your fucking leg and not let go.

03:28:11.000 Yes, what happened to him?

03:28:13.000 That guy's fucking nuts.

03:28:14.000 Yeah, he left.

03:28:15.000 The UFC, he's the only guy that they ever kicked out for winning.

03:28:20.000 Kicked out for winning and not letting go.

03:28:21.000 Not letting go.

03:28:22.000 They were so upset at him, they kicked him off the UFC, and then he went to the PFL and did it to Jake Shields.

03:28:27.000 Yeah.

03:28:27.000 Okay, I heard that.

03:28:28.000 Caught Jake Shields in a Kimura.

03:28:30.000 Poked him in the eyes and shit.

03:28:31.000 He poked him in the eyes, and he caught him in a Kimura, and he wouldn't let go.

03:28:34.000 And Jake punched him in the face after the fight was over.

03:28:37.000 It was like...

03:28:37.000 What happened to him after that?

03:28:38.000 Did he punch him in the face?

03:28:39.000 Maybe he pushed him.

03:28:40.000 Something happened, yeah.

03:28:40.000 He did something.

03:28:41.000 Something happened.

03:28:42.000 I forget what he exactly did, but, you know, he's furious because he did what he's always done.

03:28:46.000 His eyes were fucked up.

03:28:46.000 That guy doesn't want to let go.

03:28:47.000 And he cheats.

03:28:49.000 In that regard.

03:28:50.000 Okay, okay.

03:28:50.000 So, um, what happened?

03:28:53.000 Why do you think he's doing that?

03:28:55.000 What's wrong with him?

03:28:56.000 This guy's crazy.

03:28:57.000 Any speculation?

03:28:58.000 I mean, when a guy doesn't want to let go of a heel hook and the referee's trying to pry your arm off and you're still wrenching the knee apart, that's nuts.

03:29:05.000 I call that a roid rage.

03:29:07.000 You got some roid rage.

03:29:09.000 It could be.

03:29:10.000 We can't have that, though.

03:29:13.000 I'm sure there's guys that have done steroids and let go of heel hooks.

03:29:16.000 I don't think the two are totally connected.

03:29:18.000 I think you gotta let go of heel hooks.

03:29:21.000 When a guy fucking taps, you gotta let go.

03:29:24.000 But he's angry about something they said to him or did to him.

03:29:28.000 He doesn't want to hurt you.

03:29:29.000 He had a horrible childhood, apparently.

03:29:31.000 The people that I've talked to that knew him from Brazil said he had a...

03:29:34.000 I don't want to speak to it because it's not my business, but it was a horrific, horrific childhood.

03:29:38.000 I'm talking about the weigh-ins and stuff.

03:29:39.000 If you said something to him or you did something, he's a predator.

03:29:42.000 He's a predator.

03:29:43.000 He's really mean.

03:29:43.000 And Paul Harris has nasty He takes it personal.

03:29:47.000 If you give him some type of reason, he takes it aggressively into the cage.

03:29:53.000 Oh yeah, rip your fucking leg off.

03:29:54.000 Rip your legs apart.

03:29:55.000 He was the scariest guy ever when he got a hold of your legs.

03:29:58.000 Because he was such a tank.

03:30:00.000 Even if you tapped, everybody knows.

03:30:03.000 Who was that guy?

03:30:03.000 He ended his career.

03:30:05.000 He was good.

03:30:05.000 Mike Pence.

03:30:06.000 Mike Pierce.

03:30:09.000 He tore his knee apart.

03:30:11.000 He tore a lot of knees apart, man.

03:30:14.000 But, you know, like, you saw Khalil Rountree's side kick to the knee?

03:30:18.000 That'll fuck your knee up, too.

03:30:20.000 I like that technique.

03:30:21.000 It's a great technique.

03:30:22.000 Great technique.

03:30:23.000 It's a great technique.

03:30:23.000 Look, if you're allowing heel hooks, can you allow that?

03:30:26.000 Yeah!

03:30:27.000 Like, there's, like, a good question.

03:30:29.000 It's a good question.

03:30:29.000 I should be able to.

03:30:30.000 It's a good question.

03:30:31.000 If you can tear my limbs apart, you know, why can't I tear yours with a strike?

03:30:34.000 That's the thing.

03:30:35.000 It's like, if you could tear it apart, why can't you kick it apart?

03:30:37.000 Yes!

03:30:37.000 Right?

03:30:38.000 You should be able to.

03:30:38.000 It's not that easy to kick apart.

03:30:40.000 Yes!

03:30:40.000 Right?

03:30:41.000 Or if you can knee somebody in the face, why can't you not down elbow them?

03:30:44.000 Right.

03:30:44.000 All those things.

03:30:45.000 You have the ability to check.

03:30:46.000 You have the ability to move your leg.

03:30:48.000 You know?

03:30:49.000 Yeah.

03:30:50.000 Khalil's...

03:30:50.000 His is so devastating.

03:30:52.000 Devastating.

03:30:53.000 Because when he lands it, it's like what everybody always thought they would do if they ever got attacked.

03:30:57.000 Right?

03:30:58.000 Yeah.

03:30:59.000 Right?

03:31:01.000 He's like, I'll fucking kick your knees out.

03:31:03.000 Someone actually said that to me once.

03:31:05.000 It only takes about 400 pounds or 140 pounds of force to destroy a knee.

03:31:10.000 I'm like, try it.

03:31:10.000 Are you good at kicking knees?

03:31:12.000 Are you a fucking expert?

03:31:13.000 You don't think I'm going to see you wind up to kick my knee?

03:31:16.000 You think I'm stupid?

03:31:18.000 How are you going to kick knees?

03:31:19.000 You're not kicking knees.

03:31:21.000 You know, it's like the average person, but Khalil Roundtree can kick the fuck out of your knee.

03:31:26.000 High-level striker.

03:31:27.000 High-level striker.

03:31:28.000 And interesting fight, right?

03:31:29.000 Because he fought in a different stance.

03:31:32.000 He fought low in that fight, which is very unusual because, like, when he fought Eric Anders, he came out like this, like, tie-style.

03:31:39.000 Yeah, yeah, more tie-style.

03:31:41.000 Very tie-style.

03:31:42.000 This fight, he was, like, hunkered down.

03:31:45.000 Interesting.

03:31:46.000 I think that guys are trying to predict certain things.

03:31:48.000 Like, maybe if you want to wrestle more, you know?

03:31:50.000 Maybe you just want to give people different looks, too.

03:31:53.000 You just use different styles to be different guys.

03:31:56.000 I'll use that for that perspective.

03:31:58.000 When I fought Clay Guida, I switched my stance to southpaw because wrestlers usually were taught to use their southpaw legs.

03:32:06.000 So if I need to wrestle, I'm ready to wrestle.

03:32:08.000 But I'm also going to be more of a squatted position to be defensive against the wrestling.

03:32:15.000 Did you just shift your whole camp that way?

03:32:18.000 Whole camp.

03:32:19.000 I ran to tell Paul the whole camp.

03:32:21.000 I knew that was going that way.

03:32:22.000 I still work my other stands, too.

03:32:24.000 I work everything just in case I need it still, to make sure it's sharp.

03:32:28.000 What are you doing for recovery?

03:32:30.000 Do you do ice baths?

03:32:31.000 Do you do saunas?

03:32:32.000 What do you do?

03:32:33.000 I hate ice baths.

03:32:34.000 But they're so dope.

03:32:35.000 They're so good for you.

03:32:36.000 It's probably the worst thing they do in my camp.

03:32:39.000 Thinking about it like, oh god.

03:32:40.000 But don't you feel good afterwards?

03:32:42.000 It's amazing.

03:32:43.000 I feel so good.

03:32:43.000 But just getting through that, you know?

03:32:46.000 So I figured out little tricks that I'm trying to like, oh, I can do it this way now.

03:32:50.000 Make it a little bit easier.

03:32:52.000 You just have to get through that first minute.

03:32:54.000 Once you get through that first minute, you're good.

03:32:56.000 I like C-Vac.

03:32:58.000 Have you ever heard of it?

03:32:59.000 I have heard of that, yeah.

03:33:00.000 Have you tried it?

03:33:00.000 I have not tried it.

03:33:01.000 Explain to people what it is.

03:33:03.000 So C-Vac is this pod.

03:33:05.000 I filmed it on one of my UFC things.

03:33:08.000 You get in this pod and...

03:33:11.000 Little car, you know?

03:33:12.000 And it seems like it simulates high elevation training.

03:33:16.000 It takes you high up 30,000 feet.

03:33:19.000 It drops you back down low sea level.

03:33:20.000 Man, it does this thing to you.

03:33:22.000 And what it does is moving the blood around in your body.

03:33:24.000 It's great for inflammation.

03:33:26.000 Ian McCall was into that shit.

03:33:27.000 Yeah, he's the first guy that told me about it.

03:33:30.000 Okay, yeah.

03:33:31.000 See?

03:33:32.000 Yeah, you're getting these pods and stories and stuff about it.

03:33:36.000 I hear it helps with your body.

03:33:40.000 Blood, basically.

03:33:41.000 I've heard diabetics be on insulin and get off of insulin through this stuff.

03:33:45.000 That's what I've heard.

03:33:47.000 Don't quote me.

03:33:48.000 That's what the guy who I go through.

03:33:50.000 I just want this to be true.

03:33:52.000 I'm not even going to research it.

03:33:55.000 Guys are having a lot of blood issues.

03:33:58.000 It says we are specifically interested in showing improvement in condition in those with a history of diabetic peripheral neuropathy.

03:34:06.000 Those with a history of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, COPD, those with a history of traumatic brain injury, TBI, and concussion.

03:34:16.000 Interesting.

03:34:16.000 The concussion part.

03:34:17.000 So that's what he sold me on.

03:34:19.000 He said, listen, all my guys that use this, they never got knocked out.

03:34:21.000 I was like, what?

03:34:22.000 What?

03:34:23.000 Yeah!

03:34:23.000 I was like, oh, okay, what?

03:34:25.000 He's like, yeah.

03:34:26.000 You can still get knocked out.

03:34:27.000 That's great.

03:34:27.000 But I'm just saying, like, they have that.

03:34:29.000 That's just luck.

03:34:29.000 Yeah, right.

03:34:30.000 That's just luck.

03:34:31.000 I mean, you're fighting Gano, you get knocked out.

03:34:33.000 Yes, I'm saying, but he kind of sold me in terms of it, because I hear that it helps with brain recovery.

03:34:39.000 Well, I hope it does.

03:34:40.000 We need more things to do, for sure.

03:34:42.000 You know, I know that they've had some success with magnet therapy.

03:34:46.000 I know they've done a lot of that with vets and football players and MMA athletes.

03:34:51.000 Kat Zingano did that.

03:34:52.000 They did that down towards San Diego.

03:34:55.000 Interesting.

03:34:56.000 I noticed after a fight, I'm all inflamed.

03:34:58.000 I'm sure.

03:34:59.000 Well, that's why I was so fucking gangster that you fought Makachev on short notice.

03:35:04.000 Not just on short notice, but short notice right after a fight.

03:35:07.000 That's crazy.

03:35:08.000 C-Vac.

03:35:08.000 I'll use a lot of C-Vac to kind of like try to get some of it down.

03:35:11.000 Like, and I'm still bloated.

03:35:13.000 You know, like, fighters go through this whole, like, a cheerleader phase where you go from being in shape to fat, you know?

03:35:20.000 And it's like, I haven't had carbs.

03:35:23.000 That's what I've been with, like, model cheerleaders, you know?

03:35:25.000 I haven't had carbs.

03:35:27.000 I haven't had salts, you know?

03:35:29.000 Eating chicken breast and broccoli.

03:35:30.000 That's it.

03:35:31.000 And so you look good, and now you're a fighter.

03:35:33.000 You feel self-conscious.

03:35:35.000 I've heard some fighters don't want to get pictures taken when they're out of camp.

03:35:40.000 Not patty.

03:35:42.000 That's why people like patty.

03:35:44.000 Rampage.

03:35:44.000 I heard Rampage is like, no, don't take pictures of me.

03:35:46.000 I've seen him get mad at some guy before.

03:35:48.000 You know, get pissed.

03:35:52.000 That's where I'm still more so like a cheerleader.

03:35:54.000 And then you come in the gym.

03:35:55.000 All your friends are teasing you.

03:35:57.000 You feel self-conscious.

03:35:58.000 So I'm getting ready to fight.

03:36:00.000 I'm bloated.

03:36:01.000 I'm super overweight.

03:36:03.000 I'm jumping this thing.

03:36:04.000 Try to see back out.

03:36:05.000 Try to get it down.

03:36:05.000 Get some of this stuff down.

03:36:06.000 I'm cutting weight.

03:36:07.000 Crazy.

03:36:08.000 I'm putting all these things together.

03:36:09.000 I gotta do blood again.

03:36:10.000 And I'm afraid of needles, I told you.

03:36:11.000 Right.

03:36:12.000 So I'm giving blood, right?

03:36:14.000 And it's an issue.

03:36:17.000 I got three heels.

03:36:18.000 Planes.

03:36:20.000 Blood.

03:36:22.000 Weight cut.

03:36:23.000 Those are my three heels in the fight.

03:36:24.000 I can get over those three heels and detoxing.

03:36:27.000 Okay?

03:36:27.000 Because I got to get off of fucking weed.

03:36:29.000 Those are my four heels.

03:36:31.000 So first is quitting.

03:36:33.000 And then after I quit and get past the two week of being an asshole to my dad, you know, I'll be mad.

03:36:38.000 I won't even talk to him some days.

03:36:39.000 We'll just be in the gym.

03:36:40.000 I won't say nothing to him.

03:36:41.000 I'll just be working out and just angry, you know, because I'm just detoxing right now, you know?

03:36:45.000 And so that's the first hill.

03:36:47.000 Then the second hill is the planes.

03:36:48.000 And then another hill is the needles.

03:36:52.000 I'm giving blood.

03:36:54.000 I give him blood, and I always pass out.

03:36:56.000 No.

03:36:57.000 Always pass out.

03:36:58.000 I thought he was joking the first time it happened.

03:37:00.000 We're down at Kessler's, you know?

03:37:01.000 And I see him.

03:37:03.000 They go, you gotta go do blood in this room, right?

03:37:05.000 So we start walking over.

03:37:06.000 And I look back at this fool.

03:37:07.000 He's sweating.

03:37:08.000 Like, and it's cold as shit outside.

03:37:09.000 I'm like, why are you sweating?

03:37:10.000 And he's like, bro, are you gonna put a needle in me?

03:37:13.000 And next thing you know, I come in the room, he's on a breathing apparatus and passed out.

03:37:19.000 Ah, passed out.

03:37:20.000 Dude, we're at like three hours and 40 minutes now.

03:37:24.000 Holy shit.

03:37:25.000 That's how long I've been talking.

03:37:26.000 Holy shit, I can go all day with this shit.

03:37:28.000 I know.

03:37:28.000 Unfortunately, I gotta get out of here.

03:37:30.000 Yeah, I don't want to stop you.

03:37:30.000 Whatever you want to wrap it up, you can wrap it up.

03:37:32.000 We have to wrap it up, but it was a lot of fun.

03:37:34.000 Thank you very much.

03:37:35.000 And I appreciate that there's guys like you out there that are willing to take those big chances and jump in there with a guy like Makachev on...

03:37:42.000 Short notice.

03:37:43.000 I always loved you.

03:37:44.000 You're always a fun guy and a fun fighter to watch, but that shows remarkable courage.

03:37:50.000 Those are my things.

03:37:51.000 I always push inspiration.

03:37:53.000 I always push jumping on the opportunity.

03:37:56.000 I always tell my guys this, like, you never know when an opportunity's gonna come.

03:37:59.000 You never know.

03:37:59.000 I mean, it's definitely a risk.

03:38:01.000 But I applaud people like yourself that do take those risks.

03:38:05.000 Sometimes you're going to fail.

03:38:06.000 Right.

03:38:07.000 Sometimes you're going to win.

03:38:08.000 Like Jon Jones, when the Shogun fight, remember?

03:38:11.000 That was supposed to be Rashad, but Rashad got injured and Jon stepped in.

03:38:15.000 I don't think that was a lot of time preparation either, was it?

03:38:18.000 Probably not.

03:38:18.000 I don't know.

03:38:19.000 But he's training with a shot every day.

03:38:20.000 Yeah.

03:38:21.000 And so when you asked me about those same things, like, when I asked, but this was more important to me, like, I knew all that stuff, and I could lose, and I could jeopardize all the stuff I got winning, and all, I had all this hurrah behind me, and then now I'm gonna take that opportunity, but I was willing to do it for my family.

03:38:35.000 They're gonna take care of me and make sure that I make some money for my family.

03:38:38.000 I'm willing to take that risk.

03:38:39.000 Well, you're a fun guy to watch, man.

03:38:41.000 People love watching you fight.

03:38:42.000 You know that.

03:38:44.000 Yeah, I try, brother.

03:38:45.000 You do.

03:38:46.000 I mean, that's what you're saying, that you work for showmanship.

03:38:49.000 You clearly do.

03:38:50.000 Yes, I hope you enjoy the shows.

03:38:50.000 And I'm trying to find a fight that's going to be a showman.

03:38:53.000 Right.

03:38:54.000 And I want to fight somebody that's going to come out there and bring at least the numbers.

03:38:57.000 Yeah, well, I hope they give you something good next.

03:39:00.000 Did they give you any indication of when they would want you to fight again?

03:39:03.000 I was trying to fight May.

03:39:05.000 Like, I'm a guy to want to sit around.

03:39:07.000 I want to fight ASAP, you know, as soon as possible.

03:39:09.000 Keep them going.

03:39:10.000 I got places to be and things to do.

03:39:12.000 And I got goals.

03:39:14.000 And hit the goals, and then from there, I'm good.

03:39:16.000 Keep moving.

03:39:17.000 Yeah, so like, for instance, right now, I got two homes that I own.

03:39:20.000 And I'm trying to pay them both off.

03:39:21.000 So that's my goals.

03:39:22.000 Right.

03:39:22.000 I'm going to hit those goals no matter what.

03:39:24.000 Do they typically let you know, like, how far in advance do they typically let you know that they would like you to get ready to fight?

03:39:31.000 Typically?

03:39:31.000 Yeah.

03:39:33.000 Like, how does it go?

03:39:33.000 Do they say, will you be available in July?

03:39:36.000 What do they do?

03:39:37.000 Do they propose you a specific fight?

03:39:38.000 I got 45 fights.

03:39:39.000 20 of them were shirt noticed.

03:39:40.000 Wow.

03:39:41.000 At least.

03:39:42.000 At least 20. At least 20 of them.

03:39:43.000 At least.

03:39:44.000 That's crazy, Bobby.

03:39:45.000 So people talking about record, they don't understand.

03:39:47.000 At least 20 of them are short notice.

03:39:49.000 I think half your fights in the UFC were short notice.

03:39:52.000 Short notice.

03:39:53.000 I take everything I can give me.

03:39:54.000 Sean knows me.

03:39:55.000 Sean's the matchmaker.

03:39:56.000 He knows me from Strikeforce.

03:39:58.000 Strikeforce, it would be like this.

03:40:00.000 You two are going to fight each other, right?

03:40:02.000 You guys are gonna fight each other.

03:40:03.000 You get hurt, Joe.

03:40:04.000 Have you ever considered not doing it this way?

03:40:05.000 Have you ever considered, like, that...

03:40:07.000 I mean, I know that you are that risk taker, and I think there is a lot of balls involved in being that person, but is it always the best move?

03:40:15.000 Have you thought about it?

03:40:16.000 Have you ever thought, like, maybe I should just only prepare for fights and take...

03:40:20.000 I believe in failing forward.

03:40:22.000 Failing forward.

03:40:23.000 Yeah.

03:40:24.000 Go forward.

03:40:25.000 Make the mistake.

03:40:26.000 Make the mistake.

03:40:27.000 Get better along the way.

03:40:28.000 We're still going and I'm keeping this momentum going forward.

03:40:30.000 We learn from it.

03:40:31.000 We keep going forward.

03:40:32.000 But we took the risk.

03:40:33.000 We learned from the risk.

03:40:34.000 And you got another day.

03:40:36.000 You know who's a great example of someone who had been counted out but came back and became champion is Oliveira.

03:40:44.000 Yeah.

03:40:45.000 Because Oliveira had some tough fights where guys tapped him, guys knocked him out, and there was quite a few fights.

03:40:53.000 It's growth.

03:40:54.000 A lot of people kind of written him off at one point in time, but then slowly but surely you start putting together these wins and then beating top top guys and then looking like a fucking straight-up killer.

03:41:05.000 Yeah.

03:41:05.000 And to where he is now, it's like...

03:41:06.000 What do you got?

03:41:07.000 Fuck man, that's a good fight.

03:41:09.000 It's a good fight.

03:41:09.000 What do you got?

03:41:10.000 Keiichi's a terrifying human being.

03:41:11.000 What do you got?

03:41:12.000 I don't know.

03:41:13.000 I know, I know you don't know.

03:41:14.000 I don't know.

03:41:15.000 Yeah, but that's one I don't know.

03:41:17.000 I don't know.

03:41:18.000 I'm taking Gaethje on that.

03:41:20.000 Gaethje's a dangerous man.

03:41:21.000 That's my boy.

03:41:22.000 I'm going to go with my dog.

03:41:22.000 You know, he shot me a pair of gloves and they take care of me with the little, what's their, Onyx clothing stuff?

03:41:29.000 Yes, they make great fucking gear.

03:41:31.000 Trevor Whitman is a wizard when it comes to making gloves.

03:41:35.000 He's got the best MMA glove.

03:41:37.000 Have you ever used his MMA glove?

03:41:39.000 Bro, it's so well designed.

03:41:40.000 Yeah.

03:41:41.000 That Onyx brand, like, all of its foam is like super high-density foam, protects your hands better.

03:41:46.000 They're the best gloves I've ever used.

03:41:47.000 I've seen the gloves.

03:41:48.000 I haven't seen the MMA gloves.

03:41:50.000 Yeah, his MMA gloves are the best.

03:41:51.000 They're the best design.

03:41:52.000 I wish the UFC would adopt them.

03:41:54.000 I really do.

03:41:55.000 They're so much better.

03:41:56.000 They're so much better than the regular ones.

03:41:58.000 Because they maintain a curved hand, right?

03:42:02.000 And the problem, many people say, you can speak to this, does it feel like it keeps your hand open a little bit, the UFC gloves?

03:42:08.000 Like, it's hard to pull it back a little?

03:42:10.000 Yeah!

03:42:11.000 That's the main complaint.

03:42:12.000 When I get my gloves, first thing I tell my guy, hey, get those gloves and start rolling them.

03:42:15.000 Start rolling them.

03:42:16.000 Take them and roll them.

03:42:18.000 Break them and break them.

03:42:19.000 He's fixed that.

03:42:20.000 And his has a curve to it.

03:42:22.000 It is a natural curve.

03:42:24.000 So when you put it in, your hands are naturally curved.

03:42:26.000 So I wonder...

03:42:27.000 If, like, over time, using a glove of that design would show an improvement in eye pokes.

03:42:35.000 Because there's so many fucking eye pokes, man.

03:42:37.000 It's horrific when guys are doing that.

03:42:39.000 And what if your hand naturally did this?

03:42:42.000 Naturally.

03:42:43.000 And it was hard to do this.

03:42:44.000 Maybe we could discourage people easier, and then maybe we could actually, like, avoid a bunch of eye pokes.

03:42:50.000 Yeah.

03:42:51.000 I got this little scar right here from my last one with Nazareth from him getting his finger in my eye.

03:42:56.000 Yeah.

03:42:57.000 It's crazy that you fought that fight and then right after that fought Makachev.

03:43:01.000 It's crazy.

03:43:02.000 We did that with...

03:43:04.000 I fought Krause.

03:43:07.000 James Krause?

03:43:08.000 And then it was like a couple of weeks later, we fought Pat Healy.

03:43:12.000 And then shortly after that, it was Josh Thompson, like 30 days or something after that.

03:43:19.000 Crazy.

03:43:19.000 I'm an active guy, you know.

03:43:21.000 I get it.

03:43:23.000 Because if you don't, it's like why the iron's hot.

03:43:25.000 People forget about you.

03:43:26.000 This culture, you're gone tomorrow.

03:43:28.000 Who's still here, Joe?

03:43:30.000 Nate said it.

03:43:31.000 What happened to Gray Maynard?

03:43:34.000 All those guys are gone.

03:43:35.000 I'm still here.

03:43:36.000 Yeah, that's true.

03:43:37.000 Especially with 45 fights.

03:43:39.000 My clock should be ticking.

03:43:41.000 Should be.

03:43:43.000 I'm an old man.

03:43:45.000 I'm a grandpa in this game.

03:43:49.000 For sure.

03:43:50.000 It's a crazy game, man.

03:43:52.000 And the thing about it is, it is literally the evolution of martial arts in front of our eyes.

03:43:58.000 We're looking at it now and it's become normal to us because it's exciting and it's something we watch.

03:44:03.000 We watch the UFC, we watch these other organizations, it's great to watch MMA. But historically...

03:44:09.000 We're going through an unprecedented time of analysis and effectiveness in martial arts.

03:44:15.000 There's never been anything like it.

03:44:17.000 The jiu-jitsu's never been better than it is now.

03:44:19.000 The striking's never been better.

03:44:21.000 The full MMA game...

03:44:23.000 Yes.

03:44:24.000 Full MMA game's never been better than it is now.

03:44:26.000 Even the timing, the attacks, like when I fought Al Quinta, I knew that he was going to be missing that.

03:44:38.000 You haven't been in the field for now, buddy.

03:44:40.000 It's different now.

03:44:41.000 These young guys, they got me fighting all the young and up-and-comers.

03:44:44.000 These guys are fantastic.

03:44:45.000 They're hitting hard.

03:44:47.000 People are just getting better.

03:44:49.000 They know the realistic arts to train in at such a young age.

03:44:53.000 Yep, that too.

03:44:54.000 So when you watch a guy like Hamzat emerge from the scene, when you watch a guy like Gilbert Burns, you realize these guys are so much better.

03:45:07.000 They're on such a high level.

03:45:10.000 It's a new level.

03:45:12.000 If you look at the top guys of today, it's a new level of excellence.

03:45:17.000 For sure.

03:45:18.000 They're elite athletes now.

03:45:20.000 From 1993 to now is nothing.

03:45:22.000 That's what's crazy.

03:45:24.000 How fast it grew.

03:45:25.000 It's crazy because it's not that long.

03:45:27.000 It's fucking 30 years.

03:45:29.000 When do you think we'll get to the point where we'll be like other sports?

03:45:33.000 Well, I think it's always going to be too dangerous for most people, too scary for most people, because it's so raw.

03:45:38.000 You know, you see blood all the time, and they keep the fights going, and blood's leaking out of a giant cut in someone's forehead, and the other guy's trying to open that cut up.

03:45:44.000 It's so primal that I think there's going to be a certain amount of people that are always going to avoid it.

03:45:49.000 They don't have the stomach for it.

03:45:50.000 It's not something they're interested in.

03:45:52.000 There's going to be a lot of people like us.

03:45:54.000 There's going to be a lot of people like us that like it a lot.

03:45:57.000 And I think women like it too, man.

03:46:00.000 I know a lot of women that are in the manly bands of the UFC now.

03:46:04.000 Yeah, I'm saying more so like my aunts, she can't watch this too much.

03:46:08.000 The odor crowd.

03:46:09.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:46:10.000 There's peaceful people that don't have nothing to do with it.

03:46:13.000 So I don't think it's ever going to achieve the level of the number one sport in the world, but as far as relatability, it certainly is.

03:46:20.000 As far as excitement, it certainly is.

03:46:22.000 There's nothing like a crazy prize fight.

03:46:24.000 We're killing boxing.

03:46:25.000 We're killing these other organizations on how they're packaging it, you know?

03:46:29.000 That's true, too.

03:46:30.000 The UFC has an amazing team behind them, and Dana White is the best president any sports organization has ever had.

03:46:37.000 So then you have all that, and then all the people that work in the UFC are cool as fuck.

03:46:42.000 It's like, you got John Anik, who I think is the best play-by-play guy of all time.

03:46:47.000 He's awesome.

03:46:47.000 He's the best.

03:46:48.000 He's the best at it.

03:46:49.000 The guy's fucking flawless.

03:46:51.000 He's a wizard.

03:46:52.000 He's so good at that shit.

03:46:53.000 And then you got, you know, DC and Felder and Dominic Cruz.

03:46:58.000 They're all your kids.

03:47:00.000 They're all your kids, Joe.

03:47:02.000 Yeah.

03:47:02.000 You started them.

03:47:03.000 You birthed them.

03:47:04.000 They had to take a little pointing from you.

03:47:06.000 Well, I learned a little bit from Jeff Blatnick and, you know, watching people do it before me.

03:47:12.000 Fucking Bill Superfoot Wallace did it.

03:47:14.000 Jeff Osborne.

03:47:15.000 Jeff Osborne was real good at it.

03:47:17.000 Who was your person you looked at or gave you what you're doing or put you in the position like, I'm gonna look at it and do it like this, you know?

03:47:25.000 Nobody.

03:47:25.000 You didn't steal anything from anybody?

03:47:26.000 No, that's why I got super lucky.

03:47:28.000 I came along when no one was doing it.

03:47:30.000 You know, there'd only been like a couple guys before me.

03:47:33.000 So when I first started doing commentary, I do post-fight interviews in 97. I'm talking about your style.

03:47:41.000 So my first exposure to the fighting at all is post-fight interviews in 97. So I do that.

03:47:50.000 So that's only a couple of years after the UFC started.

03:47:52.000 It was four years after the UFC started.

03:47:54.000 It was still relegated.

03:47:56.000 You could only get it on direct TV. It was banned from cable.

03:47:59.000 We were playing in these weird places.

03:48:01.000 So I did that for a little while.

03:48:03.000 And then when I came back to do commentary, I only did it for fun.

03:48:07.000 I didn't think it was a job.

03:48:09.000 I really just did it because Dana asked me to do it, and I said, I'll do it for fun.

03:48:13.000 And I didn't even get paid for the first 15 shows.

03:48:16.000 I said, I don't even want any money.

03:48:17.000 I go, just get me tickets, fly my friends out.

03:48:21.000 Do you remember a kid named Jamie Walsh?

03:48:23.000 Sure, it's a good buddy of mine.

03:48:24.000 Okay.

03:48:25.000 What's he up to now?

03:48:27.000 He's back in California.

03:48:29.000 I've got to reach out to him.

03:48:30.000 But I know Jamie from John Jock Machado's, and I know Jamie from—he used to teach me kettlebells, and he was a strength and conditioning coach.

03:48:38.000 He trained Eddie Bravo when he prepared for Abu Dhabi in Brazil.

03:48:44.000 And so when he had tapped Hoyler Gracie, Jamie Walsh was with him, and me, the three of us.

03:48:50.000 He's a great guy.

03:48:51.000 Yeah, so I met him when I was a blue belt and started training with him on the side pretty much.

03:48:57.000 And then it was right around that Jeremy Williams time.

03:49:01.000 Oh, okay.

03:49:02.000 Oh, the suicide.

03:49:03.000 Yeah, we shot a DVD for them down there, and I got to meet, you know, at that time was Eddie and a handful of other guys, you know, and Jamie would take me to the UFC, so you'd leave tickets for him.

03:49:14.000 He called me up.

03:49:16.000 Joe, let me some tickets.

03:49:17.000 Let's go.

03:49:17.000 That's cool.

03:49:18.000 Yeah, I hook a lot of friends up.

03:49:20.000 One of the dopest things about the job.

03:49:22.000 All right, I got to wrap this up.

03:49:24.000 This is very late.

03:49:25.000 I just looked up at the clock.

03:49:27.000 Thank you.

03:49:28.000 Thanks for the story.

03:49:30.000 And congratulations on getting out and your experience.

03:49:34.000 And you should definitely write a book or something about it.

03:49:36.000 Maybe we can.

03:49:37.000 Yeah.

03:49:37.000 I mean, it's a wild fucking story.

03:49:40.000 Bobby, thanks for being here.

03:49:41.000 It was a lot of fun.

03:49:42.000 I enjoyed it.

03:49:43.000 Thank you, sir.

03:49:43.000 And best of luck to you, sir.

03:49:44.000 It's an honor to be here.

03:49:45.000 This was on my bucket list, dude.

03:49:46.000 I feel like that's amazing.

03:49:48.000 Scratched that motherfucker off.

03:49:49.000 I feel like maybe I can retire now.

03:49:52.000 I did everything.

03:49:53.000 I got everything on my bucket list.

03:49:55.000 I think you have more great things to come, sir.

03:49:57.000 We're done.

03:49:57.000 Thank you.

03:49:58.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 11, 2011

JRE MMA Show #121 with Bobby Green

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