BJ Penn is running for Governor of Hawaii, a position he has held for a long time. In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, he talks about his run for office, why he decided to run, and what he thinks of the current state government. He also talks about what he would do if he was elected Governor and why he thinks he should run for the position. He also discusses his career in the UFC and the early days of King of the Cage and how he got his start in the business. And of course, he gives us a little bit of his favorite Hawaiian food. Thanks for listening and Happy New Year! -Joe Rogan and the Crew at Joe Rogans Unfiltered Subscribe, Like, and Share to stay up to date on everything going on in the world of MMA, politics, and pop culture! Cheers, Joe & the Crew. -Your Hosts: & -Jon Sorrentino and Joel "The Governor" Rocha and Ben Kotnik . is a proud member of the UFC Hall of Fame and is a long-time friend of the MMA and the UFC. The future governor of Hawaii's biggest star, Governor, and is one of the most influential people in the sport in the state. "The King Of the Rock" is a big fan of the sport. and is an absolute legend in the MMA community. , and one of my good friend. Thank you for coming out to talk about it all, and I hope you enjoy it! -Jon Rogan is a good friend of mine, Ben is a great friend of his and I really enjoyed this episode. Thank you so much, Ben talks about the UFC, and he's a great guy, and so much more! and I can't wait to see what he's going to do in the future of MMA and much more. . . . and I'm looking forward to seeing what he does in the next episode of his podcast! --Jon talks about it! Jon talks about how he's gonna do it in Hawaii, and we'll talk about his future in 2020. -- -- and more! -- and we talk about some other stuff, and more -- I hope y'all listen to it! -- -- in the coming episodes of the show, and other stuff like that too! -- And much more
00:00:52.000I say, this is the straw that broke the camel's back.
00:00:55.000I've always noticed the problems here with the economy, how anti-business they are, how...
00:01:02.000Since I was in high school, we've always been in last place, our education.
00:01:08.000When you say anti-business, how are they anti-business?
00:01:11.000As far as with the regulations, it takes so long.
00:01:14.000You go to the planning department and they hold you up for another eight months.
00:01:20.000The taxes are so high, we got the highest state income tax.
00:01:25.000What is the state income tax in Hawaii?
00:01:29.000I don't got the exact number right now, but we talk about that often.
00:01:35.000Well, I think California is like 13-something, 13-plus percent.
00:01:40.000There's even talk there about raising it up.
00:01:43.000It's a shame that you feel that everything is that bad, that you feel called to do it, but...
00:01:54.000I know you and I know you wouldn't do this unless you really felt like there was a need for change.
00:02:00.000You're not a guy that like wants to be running the government.
00:02:02.000You're a guy who just doesn't want to be fucked with and pushed around and when you see what you consider your people, your friends, your family, your neighbors, Getting their businesses fucked over and getting locked out of work and having regulations put in place to make it difficult to start a business in the first place.
00:02:22.000So what would you do different in terms of what are they doing?
00:02:25.000Are you saying planning and regulations?
00:03:11.000As far as, like, a lot of times, unfortunately, with, like, smaller promotions, when they try to branch off away from the UFC, they can't get top-tier talent.
00:03:19.000You know, you get guys that are on the way out, or you get guys that maybe couldn't compete with the best of the best.
00:03:25.000But Rumble on the Rock was this shit, dude!
00:06:37.000And then I just kind of got into trying to be a father, you know?
00:06:43.000And I was doing that thing, trying to be around more.
00:06:47.000And then all this stuff happened and I find myself in here.
00:06:51.000But I do think all the blood, all the tears, all the sweat, all the ups and downs, all the good media, all the bad media, all of that was to prepare me For, you know, for this, kind of, you know, I see, like, everything that they're going to throw at me, I can kind of see, like, well, I could have been through that.
00:08:53.000When you were tuned in man you were something fierce.
00:08:56.000I always tell people you have to judge a fighter by the heights they reached not where they fell afterwards and or or the up-and-coming fights.
00:09:04.000You got to judge them by the heights that they reached.
00:09:38.000When you were training with Marinovich, and they got you in tip-top magoo shape, dude, you were terrifying when you had that crazy gas tank.
00:10:19.000I forget exactly, but I think my brother introduced me to them, and they were just geniuses, man.
00:10:27.000No matter how good you are, they were 50 years ahead.
00:10:30.000I remember we were at UCLA or something, and they had a little cone pattern, and they had me run it to see my agility, and Marv said, well, that's too slow.
00:10:39.000And the lady said, well, how do you know?
00:10:43.000LAUGHTER These guys were just ahead of everybody.
00:10:46.000They were the guys with the NFL combine and everything was speed because he noticed that the strongest guys who had the strongest squat, the biggest bench press and all that, they had the lowest numbers on the field.
00:10:59.000And then that's how we started to put in the agility, the speed, the movement, the reflexes and going back.
00:11:06.000So they were really ahead of their time.
00:11:28.000That's the only question, or does he still want to eat as much?
00:11:32.000Because literally, a lot of these guys, they haven't ate filet mignon before, they haven't ate lobster, and they're still thinking about what that's going to taste like when they finally get the opportunity to buy that for their family.
00:11:43.000Yeah, there's like a balance, right, of how long you can maintain that hunger.
00:12:54.000And so when did you continue that kind of strength and conditioning routine or did you stop doing it after a while?
00:13:04.000People start to fall apart and different ideas and coaches start to fight with each other and you know and That's what happened with that stuff.
00:14:15.000I'd tell another coach that had his fighter, and I would say, hey, coach, can my boy get a couple rounds with your boy tomorrow?
00:14:22.000And then I'd look at my guy and go, kick his ass tomorrow.
00:14:25.000And then I'd leave him and make him go home and think about it all night.
00:14:28.000Because the physical act of fighting, that ain't a fight.
00:14:31.000It's the going home and thinking about it all night long.
00:14:34.000Anybody can get into a fight real quick in school, but when they say, meet me at the park after and the whole school shows up, now that's the fight, you know?
00:14:41.000Or I'll meet you in four months, you know, like for a UFC card.
00:15:10.000For the first fight that Conor fought for the title when he knocked him out quick.
00:15:15.000It seemed like Aldo was emotionally invested in In that fight because Conor talks so much shit for so long they promoted that thing for months and months right Conor was just Disrespectful grab his belt.
00:16:34.000They know exactly how much water each carbohydrate holds in your body.
00:16:38.000When you hear those guys talk about weight cutting and they start breaking out notepads and writing down your exact body weight and how much you can take off, like...
00:16:50.000When they ask me about, what did you learn from MMA that you can bring into this governor thing, to this work?
00:17:00.000And that's what I always say, because I don't know all the answers that I'll be asked, but I got a team of people who do, and that was MMA. We got our jiu-jitsu guy.
00:17:26.000And even you sitting here with the martial arts, when you think about it, you think about your sensei and the people who've helped you build your martial arts game.
00:18:08.000I'm not gonna say I made up anything, but maybe somebody didn't show me some stuff, but it's already been done.
00:18:13.000But you added your own flavor to a lot of shit, and one of the things that you did early on that captured a lot of people was your dexterity of your legs.
00:18:21.000They were like, oh, that's a big advantage, because you have crazy flexible legs, and your leg dexterity, your ability to move your legs is pretty extraordinary.
00:18:30.000And when you would trap guys in your legs, you could see that to them, like, this was a new experience.
00:18:37.000I never knew about that until I did Jiu Jitsu.
00:20:54.000Well, you always have bizarre balance.
00:20:56.000There's a video of someone trying to take you down with a single and you're hopping around the ring with one leg and they just can't fucking take you down.
00:23:18.000Yeah, back in the day, Shawn Shirk was doing all this crazy rope work shit and plyometrics and all kinds of wild strength and conditioning.
00:23:28.000And he was known for having this spectacular gas tank.
00:23:33.000That guy must be one of the guys who figured this stuff out.
00:23:37.000Yeah, I mean they had it all broke down and you know and now like basically every camp has something like this.
00:23:44.000They just had a thing on Gilbert before he fought Hamzat and he was doing a very similar type of you know you do one station here on a bike one station here you're picking up and slamming a heavy bag over and over again and they're just going through station to station just like this.
00:23:57.000I was wondering I didn't get to watch the exact whole fight, but I heard Hamzat and Gilbert was a great fight.
00:26:28.000Okay, I remember seeing this Mongolian with the hat, the Khabib hat.
00:26:35.000You know, you think of a guy like that, you think of a wrestler, but this guy, although he is absolutely a good grappler, his kicks are fucking insane.
00:29:59.000I saved my money, you know, I did businesses, and I just had the hardest time walking away from that attention, you know, from the attention of the toughest man in the world attention.
00:33:15.000One of his guys was telling us that he fought Anderson in cage rage and he said he hit Anderson all his might in his face and it did nothing and that's when he knew it was done.
00:37:23.000I think that's what the casual fans don't understand.
00:37:26.000That's one aspect of it that they probably don't factor in, is the extreme amount of pressure it is to be a guy that everyone's gunning for.
00:37:39.000Athletic pursuit because the guy's trying to hurt you.
00:37:42.000Yes, you're trying to hurt each other It's not just I want to be a better baseball player than you Mm-hmm.
00:37:48.000It's I want to be a better baseball player than you and I want to beat the fuck out of you Yeah, and so there's like a hundred guys like that who want to beat the fuck out of you because you're the guy in in in tennis when you mess up it's 50 love When you mess up here, it's your ass.
00:38:04.000It's the most consequences, which is why it's the most exciting for people to watch, because everybody knows.
00:38:10.000You know, going around now doing this new governor thing, I talk to people and I ask every question and they go...
00:38:16.000It's great for you to show your humility and asking these questions and letting us know that you need our help.
00:40:10.000Like in some of your bigger fights, I remember being there going, God damn, like just goosebumps and crackling and I'm ready for it to go down.
00:40:23.000And me, when you're in that moment, you don't even realize because you're just there for that, right?
00:40:28.000And then now, if you look at martial arts history, like if I was going to teach a course, like a college course in the evolution of martial arts, you're a chapter in that book.
00:40:42.000Because you were a guy that got really dangerous on the feet, but lethal on the ground too.
00:40:47.000So you were a great combination, because you were strangling people, you were fucking people up with submissions, but you were also super dangerous on your feet.
00:42:45.000When people were just starting to tell you that you could fight in the UFC, what did you plan to do if you didn't do that?
00:42:52.000I wanted to just be a jiu-jitsu guy, just have a jiu-jitsu school, and just, you know, teach seminars and say that, you know, I won the jiu-jitsu championships years back.
00:43:04.000Well, now, 20 years ago, I was, well, 50 years ago, I was the jiu-jitsu world champion.
00:43:09.000That's kind of, I didn't know what I was going to do in my life, you know?
00:43:13.000I would see one of my older brothers who would just drink beer at the beach every day, and I really didn't know what I was going to do.
00:43:23.000I'm thankful and happy that my father ended up...
00:43:27.000Kenan Cornelius, his father, moved right across the road from me.
00:43:29.000He did a couple of jiu-jitsu lessons from Half Gracie.
00:44:27.000I realized this woman came up to me and she said, BJ, thank you so much for this gym because we have the UFC gyms in Honolulu, BJ Penn UFC gyms.
00:44:37.000And I go, no, thank you for being here.
00:44:39.000And she says, no, you don't understand.
00:44:41.000I'm 60 years old and for the first time in my life, I gave away my antidepressant medicine.
00:45:17.000I think it can't be emphasized enough how valuable it is.
00:45:21.000When I take just a few days off, like if I hurt something, and I say, I'll just take a couple days off, let everything recover, I always start getting sketchy.
00:46:17.000It's funny, like, you're a guy who came up, like, when I was trying to explain to Eddie, Eddie knew he was good, but I don't think he totally knew how good he was.
00:46:43.000Like, you gotta understand, man, like, there's a lot of people that don't like the fact that you connect it all to weed, but that's on them.
00:46:50.000You just look at your jujitsu itself, it's something fucking special.
00:47:15.000Maybe I can figure out a way to go that way that you never figured out.
00:47:18.000And then he'll figure out a way that might actually be better than the way we were all doing it before.
00:47:23.000I was like, there's certain things that as jujitsu develops new counterattacks and new defense, you've got to let them go with higher level guys now.
00:47:32.000Well, he invents these new paths and people are like, where the fuck is he going with this?
00:47:36.000And then all of a sudden you're going to twist it.
00:47:38.000And I remember watching this interview and this lady said, that's the problem with school.
00:47:43.000They tell you that there's only one right answer.
00:52:06.000There's a lot of talented people out there.
00:52:09.000Maybe there's a lot of guys that if they didn't have to cut that extra five pounds, they would be way better because they wouldn't be depleted.
00:52:16.000That's the worst thing you could possibly do to your body before you're going to fight the toughest person you've ever fought in your whole life.
00:54:28.000They supposedly weigh your body and determine how much water you have and then always make you stay within that water range of what a healthy weight is.
00:54:39.000I think I might be getting this wrong.
00:54:41.000But I think the point is, they do hydration tests, and you're not allowed to dehydrate yourself 24 hours.
00:54:47.000You can't, like, some of these guys are caught in crazy weight.
00:54:50.000There's always going to be somebody that thinks like that.
00:54:54.000Like, if I cut weight, you know, and as you get older, I know for me personally, I wish I went up.
00:55:01.000I wish I didn't go do that whole 145 thing.
00:55:36.000As soon as you sign your contract, your weight right there that day, that's okay, this is where you fight.
00:55:40.000It's a bad culture because it doesn't make any sense.
00:55:44.000If there's really this many fighters, because there's a lot now, there's so many fighters, so many talented fighters.
00:55:49.000There's talented fighters that are introduced into the UFC all the time that I don't even know of, and then all of a sudden I see them, I'm like, God damn, this guy's good!
00:56:10.000You're more experienced in this sport than me at this point because you've sit there and watched it all and you've got to look at thousands of fighters in doing this.
00:56:21.000It just seems like it would be more opportunity for champions, more opportunity for guys to fight healthy, and if we could get everybody to fight at a natural weight and eliminate weight cutting and have all these different weight classes so they have options to choose from, and then get yourself into a healthy weight that you're really sustainable at, and that's the weight you fight at.
00:58:04.000And this guy's pumping, and you're trying to fucking go, and you're getting blood transfusion, and they're shooting you up with tests, and you're fucking...
00:58:12.000And you're doing it for days, BJ. It's true.
00:58:39.000That guy's the champion of the mind demons.
00:58:43.000He knows how to fucking ride it out and go harder and faster and longer.
00:58:47.000Harder and just imagine that lactic acid in the legs and you're just going it's such a dishonest Conversation when that guy got get gets in trouble for it because like yes, he should he definitely As least according to him took some stuff still everybody was taking some stuff and he beat them all He beat them all.
01:00:04.000Well, in your era, to be fair, you were one of the only guys that was adamant about that.
01:00:09.000A lot of people just shut the fuck up.
01:00:11.000And still till today, I say, I'm the only guy, 155 and 170 that got both belts, but if you want to add this into the rankings, I really didn't do that stuff, you know what I mean?
01:00:27.000And then I remember, because I didn't even, USADA just came and we were going to take in a glutathione IV.
01:00:37.000I never take IVs anyway, but I was like, "Okay, okay, I'll take it." And then I told Usaroya I took an IV and then they busted me for it because I think they just wanted to show that they had teeth or whatever.
01:00:47.000But I'm really one of the only guys who didn't, you know what I mean?
01:00:50.000So just using any kind of an IV? Yeah.
01:01:29.000Yeah, there's a type of it that a lot of people take that are into this stuff, like doctors that know a lot about how to mitigate hangovers and shit.
01:01:38.000It's liposomal glutathione, I think is what it's called.
01:09:32.000Most people, the vast majority of people are good people that just want to be left alone, want to be able to prosper, want good healthcare available, good education available, want their children to have a potential for a good future.
01:11:31.000I mean, my mother was in the Republican Party and always helped out with them and did different things.
01:11:39.000And, I mean, right now, as far as, you know, just everything going on, I mean, you know, it seems like the Republicans are trying to keep things to, I don't know, I think a lot of times, I think, was the 80s the height of civilization?
01:11:57.000Hey man, I really genuinely wonder what it would be like if, how much different, if at all, it would be like if a Republican was president or if a Democrat was president.
01:12:42.000A buddy of mine that was a federal senator from Hawaii, he was pushing for that passport to step on the plane and going to kind of landlock everybody on their island.
01:12:52.000And I told him, I said, what's going to happen if you pass this?
01:13:55.000Whenever a government grabs additional powers, whenever they start being able to impose additional restrictions on people because of, like, this health crisis, they don't give those back.
01:14:12.000And you know, it's easy when fighting for individual rights when it's popular is one thing, but fighting for them when it's not popular is a total different animal.
01:14:23.000When your best friend's girlfriend's sticking you the finger over the table and you're like, hey, I don't like what you're saying, but I'll fight for you to have the right to say it, you know?
01:14:32.000But that's, it's just, how did they start taking things?
01:14:59.000That was a George Bush type thing that, you know, they put these things.
01:15:03.000They don't give them back when they start to do stuff for us.
01:15:06.000No, there used to be a time where you could just get on a plane.
01:15:08.000Yeah, when you could just get, you know, there's a policeman there and you just walk through that same family x-ray or whatever and you put your bag through.
01:15:15.000But now you got to take off your shoes.
01:15:49.000Yeah, they can corral people up and that's where it gets scary.
01:15:51.000And some people are recognizing that from the pandemic and some people just get so political they can't see that it's a human behavior pattern.
01:15:58.000It's a human behavior pattern that folks that are in control of other people exercise.
01:16:04.000They tell people what to do and then that's what they like to do.
01:16:39.000That's a stupid thing to say, but it's not uncommon amongst people that achieve a position of power like that.
01:16:46.000There's a very intoxicating thing about a man in particular, but sometimes a lot of women, sometimes women.
01:16:53.000You know, they get into a position of, like, extreme power, and they like to exercise it over folks.
01:16:58.000They enjoy making mandates and placing rules on things, and, you know, you have to have this far away from that, and you have to...
01:17:05.000They'll decide what time liquor stores are allowed to be open, or what time this is about, like, the bar must close by 2 a.m., even if it's not near anything.
01:18:38.000Then we're going to go to the Department of Education.
01:18:40.000I don't have to go to the legislature to go to these different departments because who's the boogeyman when you say, okay, put a big sign on the front of your building that says you're not going to police the passports and the masks.
01:18:53.000Oh, no, I don't want the Department of Health coming down.
01:18:55.000Well, I'm going to go take care of the Department of Health.
01:18:57.000Oh, they're shutting down these hunting lands.
01:19:12.000Maybe they're still masking the children in Hawaii because they made a mistake.
01:19:17.000So when I get there, I'm going to go in the Department of Education, I'm going to go in the Department of Health, and I'm going to go take care of all of these things.
01:19:23.000And I'm not going to talk to the legislature to do it.
01:22:04.000And Hawaii's got so many different problems with our housing problem, our energy problems, now everything with the gas.
01:22:10.000And I really want to invite Elon Musk to come over and see if he could help us with Hawaii because it's a landlocked state and everything comes in off the boat and you got everybody talking about the Jones Act.
01:22:33.000This was made back when Hawaii was a territory.
01:22:35.000So all kinds That sounds so inefficient.
01:22:45.000You know, Hawaii is the most unionized state, but our families all work in those unions.
01:22:50.000We're all together, so we all have to figure out how to update all of these different things and make them work properly.
01:22:56.000Do we just bring the boats from—do we build our docks bigger so they can take international boats, but just have our unions be the ones to take— To take all the stuff off their boat so our unions still control the docks and not international people controlling our docks.
01:23:13.000Because of course we want our people from home.
01:23:59.000We're stuck dependent on a boat coming in and out.
01:24:03.000And even more, we have to protect our waters.
01:24:06.000You know, all the water is held in perpetuity to the people of Hawaii, but we almost need to go one step further and make it a national treasure.
01:25:04.000Well, I don't know what we would have to figure out what we're going to do with petroleum, but that's why I want to talk to people like Like Elon, you know, that's why I want people who know different things.
01:25:16.000You got a lot of sun, but I think solar in its current form.
01:27:14.000Well, I'm excited you're doing something that you believe in, and I'm excited.
01:27:18.000I love when a legend talks about that decision to step down and stop fighting, and I think that that's a really important conversation for young guys to hear.
01:27:31.000Because you're getting into this game, and you've got to realize this is the most wild, crazy, exciting, but ultimately physically damaging game there is other than maybe football.
01:27:43.000Football players, they fuck each other up, just running full tilt into each other.
01:27:49.000Even more psychological because you know it's just you and this other guy and then you set a date and it's 4th of July weekend in Vegas and your fucking billboard is outside your hotel window and it's giant, you can't sleep.
01:28:01.000You know, it's what you guys have done, you know, is it's very, very, very extraordinary and very difficult to achieve that kind of level of success that you achieved a small handful of them ever do in time.
01:28:16.000So for you to admit that it's very difficult for you to feel like for your identity to step down, it's very important for young fighters to hear because they're going to know that this is a part of everybody's journey.
01:28:29.000There's going to be a part where now maybe if you want, you can coach.
01:28:33.000Maybe you can help young fighters coming up with your wisdom and your perspective.
01:28:38.000Fighters would fight very, very hard for you.
01:28:42.000Like a guy to be able to train under a guy like BJ Penn.
01:29:40.000You know, you can keep working if you want to keep working, if you have the money, and if you need the money, rather.
01:29:45.000But for MMA, there's a window of time.
01:29:47.000And that's why I think it's so important to judge a fighter by their best work.
01:29:51.000Like I always say, I mean, I don't want to say there's a goat, but for me, when anybody tries to say anything bad about Mike Tyson, I go, there was a window of time where Mike Tyson was the motherfucker of all motherfuckers.
01:30:38.000Yeah, there's certain fighters that when they, you know, achieve great heights, they achieve one victory after another victory, like you go, holy shit, I can't, I feel like I'm in the middle of history here.
01:30:50.000I feel like I've went and seen history.
01:30:52.000When Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock fought in the Octagon the first time, I felt like, remember that?
01:35:15.000I'll be 80. I'll kick your ass right now.
01:35:19.000Yeah, well, for people who don't know, for young people that have not researched the history of BJ Penn, you must now go watch because you're in for a treat.
01:35:57.000My dad, a lot of people don't know, Helsing Gracie came over and he pushed jiu-jitsu more than everybody, of course, but my dad pushed jiu-jitsu a lot.
01:44:12.000So not only did he take the back, but he triangles his fucking arm, and now he's battling off a rear naked choke from one of the best guys in the world with one arm.
01:44:20.000And the Japanese are the greatest in the world at defending back submissions and all that.
01:44:27.000He's using the classic, you know, tuck your thumb, go under the chin, and he's getting across, and he's just trying to get it all the way across so he can grab that shoulder.
01:47:11.000Which means, like, there's, on some farms, if they run them correctly, and again, I'm a moron, I don't know exactly if this is true, but they're talking about it being able to achieve a carbon neutral state on a regenerative farm.
01:47:25.000So a regenerative farm is where the cows graze, And then they shit, and their manure is used as fertilizer, and then there's other animals that roam the land, like pigs and chickens, and they all shit and eat and take care of all the little bugs and shit and keep everything clean.
01:48:30.000There's plastics, microplastics, that they keep finding in our bloodstream, and we're doing nothing to address that.
01:48:36.000We just assume that that's a part of life, and you just have to deal with that.
01:48:39.000As much as people know about that, there's studies that are coming out about this now that show that it's leading to a decrease in sperm count for men, an uptick in miscarriages for women.
01:49:34.000A scientist analyzed blood samples from 22 anonymous donors.
01:49:39.000All healthy adults found plastic particles in 17. Half the samples contained PET plastic, which is commonly used in drink bottles, while a third contained polystrine, used for packaging food and other products.
01:49:56.000A quarter of the blood samples contained polyethylene, from which plastic carrier bags are made.
01:50:24.000If you live in a place like New York City, and there's people constantly braking around you in traffic, that's like little puffs of this stuff.
01:50:38.000They say that living in like a high population, high polluted area like that, where there's a lot of traffic, like if people are just using regular internal combustion cars like they are now, unless everybody switches to electric, you're ingesting a certain amount of chemicals that are coming out of those cars, whether you like it or not.
01:51:32.000If you're on the 405 and it's bumper to bumper traffic for an hour and a half, bumper to bumper for an hour and a half, you're breathing in all these fires.
01:52:29.000This woman named Dr. Shanna Swan, she wrote this book called Countdown, and it's all about these phthalates and these petrochemical products and what they're doing to reproductive systems.
01:52:40.000Because I remember they always have those things to take out the heavy metals and stuff, but now we've got to get one to take out the plastics, huh?
01:52:48.000I wonder what they can do, but the real problem apparently is when these phthalates in particular infect women when they're pregnant, because then it has an impact on the development of the child.
01:53:01.000So more so than it has an impact on an adult, during the process of maturation inside the womb, that's when they think it has effects on kids.
01:53:15.000Yeah, because this is what they're thinking about with mammals.
01:53:17.000The study, I believe, showed that with mammals, when there was a large presence of phthalates, or a presence of phthalates, they could see that the male animal was more feminized.
01:53:31.000They had smaller testicles, smaller penises.
01:53:38.000Wow, that's probably a lot of that there.
01:53:45.000It's a thing that's going on in the whole world.
01:53:47.000It's easier to tell somebody what to do when they're not going to say, I don't want to do that.
01:53:55.000I wonder what the fuck we could do about these phthalates, and I wonder what they could do about, I mean, microplastics.
01:54:01.000And that guy, I'm sure you're aware of that guy, Boyan Slott, who built that, is a young kid who built that machine that's cleaning up the Pacific garbage patch.
01:54:23.000Well, it's a machine that skims the ocean.
01:54:27.000They actually have a working model of it now, and not only that, but you can actually buy products that they create from that recycled plastic, which is pretty badass.
01:54:58.000It's this huge spot in the middle of the ocean where I guess the currents pass each other and it allows all this garbage to kind of stay there and collect.
01:58:04.000You gave up on the aliens, you gave up on all these different things, but man, just like Biff in Back to the Future, did they steal the sports almanac and go back to time?
01:59:20.000You know, stick together, be careful, carry a spear, point it out at the jungle everywhere you go, because there's always something waiting to pounce.
01:59:27.000Because they said that people never used to live as long as us.
01:59:29.000I mean, we weren't there, but we don't know.
01:59:56.000You know, humans got down, there was a point in time when a supervolcano went off around Indonesia where they think humans got, was it called a toba?
02:00:33.000According to the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago, human population decreased to 3,000 to 10,000 surviving individuals.
02:02:17.000I remember when they were offering us the...
02:02:20.000It was like when I fought Liotto and I came back and I could be wrong, but I could be making a mistake, but I remember they were offering us the swine flu shot not too long after I got back fighting Liotto.
02:03:12.000You know, you get put in those positions, but...
02:03:14.000Well, the thing about Floyd Mayweather supposedly, and there's a thing that I tweeted the other day that was a YouTube video that I watched.
02:03:21.000Floyd Mayweather's work ethic was insane.
02:03:25.000They said that dude, Zab Judah went to train with them, because they had fought, and then Zab went and was sparring for him, and when they were working together, Floyd would call him up at like 2 in the morning, let's go run.
02:04:42.000But MMA, it's truly the only sport because...
02:04:46.000Like, George Masvidal was like, oh, Usman still is not a real puncher, or he still is not a real striker, even though Usman did catch Masvidal, and he's the only guy to put Masvidal down.
02:04:59.000But MMA is just such a crazy sport that he might be kind of right by saying he's not really a full striker yet, but he knocked him out.
02:05:08.000I couldn't believe that when George got knocked out, because that was the first time ever.
02:07:35.000He trained with Schaub, and when he was the interim champion, dude, I don't know what year this was.
02:07:41.000I was living in Colorado, so I guess it was 2009, and I was doing jiu-jitsu at Amal Easton's place, and I look up from the mat and there's this dude who walks in who doesn't even look real.
02:07:54.000He looks like if the thing from Fantastic Four was a person.
02:07:59.000He's that big because he's in between fights.
02:08:33.000He just got so excited that he emptied the gas tank trying to put him away.
02:08:36.000If not for that, Shane Carlin would have been the heavyweight champion of the world.
02:08:39.000More fights have been lost by doing that than anything else.
02:08:42.000Another thing I always hated too was like using your legs like a triangle or an armbar or trying to do some submission and then the round ends and then now you got a fight and your legs have nothing.
02:09:02.000Yeah, when a guy jumps on a guy's back and tries to, like, ride his back and hold on and take his back from behind, like, boy, if you don't get that one, if you don't get that one, that's so much squeezing.
02:10:11.000He had those different things where you throw the things off and push them with your legs.
02:10:16.000It makes sense as long as you have the kind of technique that you had.
02:10:20.000But in the process of developing technique, it's like how much time do you spend with that kind of strength and conditioning versus how much time do you spend learning technique?
02:14:40.000You know, just putting on a show against the most dangerous guy in the division, the scariest guy in the division, just lights him up like a Christmas tree.
02:15:45.000And it's just, I think that what we're all doing is, as fans, we're observing it, and as guys like you are participating in excellence in a discipline.
02:15:57.000And this discipline is fucking people up.
02:15:59.000And it's a complicated discipline, and everybody approaches the discipline differently.
02:16:03.000You know, Brock Lesnar was like, ground and pound, smash, get you to the ground, beat the fuck out of you.
02:16:07.000You know, and Olivera, real technical with his strikes, nasty submissions.
02:16:12.000I love Olivera and I tell him all the time, I say, because I always see him with Makako and I always tell him, I say, I said, you know what I love about you, Charles?
02:17:04.000If you started out from the beginning, like say if you were a young kid, if you wanted to coach a young kid, would you say go to an MMA gym or would you say specialize in something first?
02:17:13.000Like while you're young, specialize in jujitsu, specialize in kickboxing, get really good at that.
02:17:19.000Specialize in wrestling, get really good at that.
02:17:21.000Then you can go start learning all that other shit, but you'll always have that one strength over people.
02:17:26.000That's what I've always said my whole life, but I don't know now.
02:17:30.000I don't know if a guy like Trevor Whitman can just train a kid, you know what I mean, and grab him and just take him and just take him all the way.
02:17:37.000But I always used to say before, find what you like the most.
02:19:33.000I think it's harder to be an MMA coach and make a living and pay your rent than the fighter himself.
02:19:38.000You've got to count on somebody else to go out there and perform.
02:19:41.000Yeah, he went through, he was with me, then he got Michael Bisping to the championship, then he got Chris Cyborg to the championship, now Chi Tovero is working his way up.
02:20:41.000Well, BJ, one of the things that Mike Tyson was talking about was when he met Customato, that Customato also worked with him under hypnosis.
02:20:49.000And so he coached him and put him in a state of hypnosis and would coach him and talk to him about mindset and get him programmed.
02:23:07.000Yeah, Action Bronson and this other comedian from Hawaii, Lanai, and it was called The Regimen where we go around and so James Lurice, he shot it for us and And they're trying to do something with it.
02:23:21.000But we would go around to all the different fighters and kind of just talk to them about their regimen for their life.
02:23:36.000I go, how'd you get into this and that?
02:23:37.000And he was like, well, when my mom would...
02:23:42.000Let us go with her brother while she went to work because the brother was a track and field coach at the gym that they were at the Stockton or whatever at the high school and that's how they got into all that you know conditioning you know the Diaz brothers crazy conditioning stuff right yeah so I never really knew about that you know it's kind of generational their conditioning right what makes sense now after watching them Beat everybody's ass in the fifth round.
02:24:07.000Yeah, they were doing all kinds of crazy triathlons and cycling events and swimming from Alcatraz.
02:24:14.000Nick swam back and forth at the last time I was in contact with him.
02:24:24.000Dude, people get chopped in half in that water.
02:24:29.000He was in Hilo, he was staying with me for a couple weeks in Hilo, went down the YPO Valley and stuff, and he was just trying to get his head right.
02:24:36.000First of all, what if you get run over by a boat?
02:24:59.000I would be worried about some drunk dude playing Billy Joel down in Pabst Blue Ribbons and he's going to butcher you with a fucking propeller.
02:33:13.000No matter what I did, no matter what happened, No matter any of the controversial stuff that ever happened in my whole career, I love everybody.
02:37:22.000That was during the headbutts, no gloves days.
02:37:25.000Mark was telling me, Mark and Kerr, he was telling me, yeah, me and Kerr and Kevin, everybody were hanging out and we were all jacked and we were getting ready for the Olympic trials and then we saw...
02:37:35.000And then we saw Kurt Angle walk in and then we saw Kurt Angle jacked bigger than us and then we all put our head down and knew we were done.
02:37:45.000They couldn't get one over on Kurt anymore.
02:38:20.000He tried to dig his eyes and everything.
02:38:22.000Yeah, Coleman got him in that judo side control.
02:38:25.000Yeah, but imagine like jujitsu, like a jujitsu black belt versus a jujitsu blue belt.
02:38:31.000Like that's how we would have to think that Coleman was so good at that time at wrestling that there was no way Severn would have been able to stop his takedowns.
02:38:39.000He was so good at wrestling and he was ridiculously strong.
02:38:58.000I never thought they'd take out the headbutt, bro.
02:39:00.000Yeah, he was the king of the head bus because he would get on top of you and your guard, man, your guard had to be on point because Mark was trying to smash you with his fucking forehead.
02:39:09.000And when you got a guy who's that big, as big as Mark, with a neck like my waist, he was just slamming into your fucking face with his forehead.
02:40:06.000It was really promoted on the internet.
02:40:08.000On those forums and all those different things.
02:40:10.000Well, once the Ultimate Fighter broke out and that big fight between Stefan Bonner and Forrest Griffin in the finals were such a wild fight.
02:40:21.000Everybody was calling their friends up.
02:40:22.000They said, I forget what the numbers were, but at one point in time, it was millions of people were watching it on Spike TV because people had called their friends and go, you You gotta watch this shit.
02:40:53.000But having that opportunity to get it on television and to do it through a reality show at the time where reality shows were at their peak, it was perfect.
02:41:28.000Well, when you watch The Ultimate Fighter, one of the cool things about it is you got to see what a camp of guys training together would look like.
02:41:37.000You got to see all the psychological dynamics that happen in camps.
02:41:41.000And they were sleeping in the same house and have to eat food and then go fight each other.
02:41:47.000And they were fucking with each other's food and shit.
02:43:56.000Running around there, eating things, and it got a little too close to the water, and this fucking crocodile just leaps out, snatches it, and drags it into the water.
02:48:58.000Being around martial arts and being in a stress situation and being able to push through.
02:49:05.000coaches, you know, there was this bill that they were trying to pass in Hawaii that would give coaches salary for schools instead of them just being volunteer and and and it's true We have to raise warriors.
02:49:17.000We have to raise people because is the math teacher and the science teacher going to say, hey, come on, and inspire you and say, get up, you can bust through that line and you can do these things, you know?
02:49:27.000But there's a lot of value in the people that want to coach for free.
02:49:30.000I'm not saying they shouldn't be compensated, but if something is an amateur thing and someone can afford to coach for free, there's a lot of guys out there that really enjoy doing that.
02:57:59.000And we need to stop treating grown adults like they're children and capable of making their own decisions.
02:58:05.000And that's what it is when the government tells you that you can't take something that's never killed anyone ever and a lot of people find beneficial.
02:58:12.000If so many people find it beneficial and you don't even use it, how are you...
02:58:17.000Informed and wise enough to tell grown adults what they can and can't do with something they enjoy that you have no personal knowledge of.
02:59:11.000We just got to get the advertisers on a good path.
02:59:13.000Get all the advertisers doing things that are only beneficial for people.
02:59:17.000But that's what we need to do over there in Hawaii because it's a bankrupt state and that's when you're going to stick your hand out and that money that we get from Washington That comes with whips and chains.
02:59:28.000You know, you want to be able to have your option to, you know, that's why you want your economy.
02:59:33.000You want your economy strong and you want your surplus up there and we want to pull it out of a welfare state.
02:59:38.000Hawaii has been a welfare state all this time and we want to...
02:59:42.000Does that involve bringing industries to Hawaii?
02:59:46.000How do you account for jobs for all those people in sort of a self-sustaining way?
02:59:59.000And like I said, the planes come in and they don't leave with anything.
03:00:03.000So we need stuff to export and we need...
03:00:08.000We got to get our farming situation handled too, because every time a new hurricane comes in and all those things, and then they tell everybody, get down and buy, fill up your groceries, buy everything at the grocery store, buy all the gasoline you can, and then everybody's panicked.
03:00:26.000Do you know there's a wood that I think only comes from Hawaii?
03:01:55.000They came across the ocean, were the best sailors.
03:01:58.000And then the story in Hawaiians for their myth or whatever is that then they burned the boats later and everybody got stuck there and then they couldn't leave.
03:02:06.000One of the priests made them burn the boats.
03:02:09.000You know, for power and control, or who knows?
03:02:35.000First settled as early as 400 CE. Whoa.
03:02:40.000Some of the Hawaiian words in our language, you know, like you got amor in Spanish is love and then you got amor in Portuguese and then you got aloha.
03:02:52.000And you got ali'i is chief and I just think ali'i, well that's the elite or whatever.
03:02:57.000You just see so many words that look like Latin and it's just...
03:03:02.000But it's one of the oldest languages or whatever, but it's just weird.
03:03:06.000Just our whole thing, life's just weird.
03:03:08.000I wonder if this estimate of 1,500 years or whatever it is has been substantiated, or if it's like a rough guess based on artifacts that they've already discovered.
03:03:20.000Because it's one of those things where they keep finding, like, in North America, it used to be Clovis first.
03:03:25.000They used to think that the Clovis people were the first people that got here.
03:03:28.000The Clovis were an ancient group of hunter-gatherers that lived here, and they're identified by a sophisticated style of point, the Clovis points, and it comes from a specific era that they think these people came through.
03:03:42.000But now they've abandoned that, and they think there are people here far before the Clovis people, way before, thousands and thousands of years.
03:03:49.000I remember I was reading something and it was like Russia was the biggest and then they went to make a new Moscow.
03:03:56.000So they went over through Alaska and then you say Moscow, then you say Moscow, then you say Mexico.
03:04:01.000And Mexico City was Moscow, this whole thing.
03:04:05.000I love reading through all that stuff.
03:04:07.000But what you're saying is that if people had been on Hawaii since the Ice Age, so if we're going back 12,000 years ago, right, if people got there, because there were people around back then, at that point in time, the levels of the sea would have been way lower.
03:04:30.000I wonder how close ground would be to that area.
03:04:33.000If the sea levels were far lower because of the Ice Age, which they definitely were, I wonder how much water you'd have to traverse to get to Hawaii.
03:05:19.000Really, what we're saying here is very interesting because if it turns out that Hawaii is millions of years old, which I think it is, And then if it turns out that this was like pre-ice age when the sea levels were very, very low in comparison to what they are today, I wonder how much difference it was.
03:07:18.000And my uncle played racquetball and we all went to a place called Fort DeRussi, a beach area, and Egan competed in the tournament and wiped everybody out.
03:07:26.000Wasn't he like, didn't he hold a world record at one point or some kind of a record for free diving?