The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #123 with BJ Penn

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00:00:13.000 Ladies and gentlemen, the future governor of Hawaii, BJ Penn!

00:00:20.000 What's going on, Joel?

00:00:21.000 What's happening, brother?

00:00:22.000 Good to see you.

00:00:22.000 Good to see you, man.

00:00:23.000 You're dedicated to this man.

00:00:25.000 Yes.

00:00:25.000 I need a shirt.

00:00:26.000 You got it.

00:00:27.000 I need one.

00:00:27.000 We got him here.

00:00:28.000 I need to wear a pen for governor.

00:00:29.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 If I wear it in Hawaii, will I get mugged?

00:00:31.000 Will they attack me and duct tape me and throw me in the back of a police van?

00:00:34.000 They'll cheer you on and then you gotta tell them, are you guys registered?

00:00:39.000 How is it going?

00:00:40.000 First of all, what made you decide?

00:00:42.000 It was the COVID lockdowns, right, that made you decide?

00:00:44.000 You know what?

00:00:46.000 People ask me, they go, would you be running for office if this pandemic didn't happen?

00:00:50.000 And I tell them all the same thing.

00:00:52.000 I say, this is the straw that broke the camel's back.

00:00:55.000 I've always noticed the problems here with the economy, how anti-business they are, how...

00:01:02.000 Since I was in high school, we've always been in last place, our education.

00:01:08.000 When you say anti-business, how are they anti-business?

00:01:11.000 As far as with the regulations, it takes so long.

00:01:14.000 You go to the planning department and they hold you up for another eight months.

00:01:20.000 The taxes are so high, we got the highest state income tax.

00:01:25.000 What is the state income tax in Hawaii?

00:01:29.000 I don't got the exact number right now, but we talk about that often.

00:01:35.000 Well, I think California is like 13-something, 13-plus percent.

00:01:40.000 There's even talk there about raising it up.

00:01:43.000 It's a shame that you feel that everything is that bad, that you feel called to do it, but...

00:01:54.000 I know you and I know you wouldn't do this unless you really felt like there was a need for change.

00:02:00.000 You're not a guy that like wants to be running the government.

00:02:02.000 You're a guy who just doesn't want to be fucked with and pushed around and when you see what you consider your people, your friends, your family, your neighbors, Getting their businesses fucked over and getting locked out of work and having regulations put in place to make it difficult to start a business in the first place. 0.72

00:02:22.000 So what would you do different in terms of what are they doing? 0.98

00:02:25.000 Are you saying planning and regulations?

00:02:27.000 What is that about?

00:02:28.000 Is that about concerns for the environment because you're on an island?

00:02:31.000 What is that?

00:02:32.000 I don't know why they're just so slow.

00:02:35.000 They're just so slow with that stuff.

00:02:37.000 Do you think it's just inefficient or you think maybe they're overwhelmed?

00:02:40.000 What do you think it is?

00:02:42.000 I think inefficient.

00:02:46.000 I see this happen a lot when they start regulating something.

00:02:50.000 Here we were doing MMA in Hawaii.

00:02:53.000 You remember how big MMA got?

00:02:56.000 Rumble on the Rock, son.

00:02:57.000 I remember you put on your own promotion.

00:02:59.000 That was fantastic.

00:03:00.000 Thank you.

00:03:01.000 Come on, man.

00:03:01.000 In the early days of MMA, Rumble on the Rock was classic.

00:03:05.000 That was something. 0.99

00:03:05.000 You had some fucking great fights. 0.99

00:03:07.000 We did, we did. 1.00

00:03:08.000 We had Tank Abbott, we had everybody in there.

00:03:10.000 You had great fights.

00:03:11.000 As far as, like, a lot of times, unfortunately, with, like, smaller promotions, when they try to branch off away from the UFC, they can't get top-tier talent.

00:03:19.000 You know, you get guys that are on the way out, or you get guys that maybe couldn't compete with the best of the best. 0.99

00:03:25.000 But Rumble on the Rock was this shit, dude! 0.99

00:03:28.000 It was. 1.00

00:03:29.000 How many did you do?

00:03:30.000 You did two?

00:03:31.000 No, we had a bunch of Rumble on the Rocks, actually.

00:03:33.000 How many did you do?

00:03:34.000 We must have did.

00:03:35.000 I think we had five or six of them.

00:03:37.000 But you know what happened?

00:03:38.000 Elite XC came in, bought everybody up, except for King of the Cage.

00:03:42.000 They didn't sell.

00:03:43.000 And then they went down and they crashed everybody's car.

00:03:46.000 It was almost like it was a...

00:03:48.000 Let's send these guys in to buy everybody and crash everybody. 0.94

00:03:53.000 Well, I think, BJ, it's just people saw money in it.

00:03:56.000 Because I remember those days.

00:03:58.000 I remember people asking me questions.

00:04:00.000 There was a lot of people asking questions.

00:04:01.000 How come it's only the UFC? Why aren't there other organizations?

00:04:04.000 Everybody thought it was easy, and then Elite XC came along, and they had some fun fights, right?

00:04:11.000 They did have some fun fights.

00:04:13.000 I really enjoyed that time.

00:04:15.000 But anyway, a guy shows up and he says, Hey BJ, I'm here from the state.

00:04:21.000 We're here to regulate you guys.

00:04:23.000 And I'm thinking, after we got our faces smashed in for the last 20 years, Now you show up.

00:04:29.000 Now it looks like there's a little money here.

00:04:31.000 Now you guys show up.

00:04:32.000 And then they just tanked the whole thing, tried to do all these.

00:04:34.000 You couldn't even give water to the amateur fighters or you were paying them.

00:04:38.000 What?

00:04:39.000 Yeah, that's just how strict they got.

00:04:41.000 Well, what's Ronald Reagan's best line?

00:04:44.000 Me and Lorenzo talked about it.

00:04:46.000 Ronald Reagan's best line.

00:04:47.000 The nine most terrifying words in the English language.

00:04:51.000 I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

00:04:53.000 Yeah.

00:04:56.000 So, how do they stop you from giving water to amateur fighters?

00:04:59.000 Explain that.

00:05:00.000 Right?

00:05:00.000 They just walk in and they just said, you guys can't have this.

00:05:03.000 You guys can't be giving.

00:05:04.000 These are amateurs.

00:05:05.000 You guys can't give them anything.

00:05:07.000 You can't even give them water?

00:05:08.000 Bottles of water.

00:05:09.000 You could even have that in the back.

00:05:11.000 That's how strict.

00:05:11.000 I think they just go...

00:05:13.000 So they have to bring their own water?

00:05:16.000 Do the fighters have to carry in their own water personally?

00:05:19.000 Back then, these were just examples of how...

00:05:22.000 Remember how big the Super Brawl was?

00:05:25.000 Remember how big Egan was fighting?

00:05:27.000 Jason Miller, Fallen Eagle, Robbie Lawler, Trigg, everybody.

00:05:31.000 Wasn't that where Vitor got his debut as well?

00:05:35.000 That too, right?

00:05:36.000 Against John Hess.

00:05:37.000 And Hess was pretty tough, actually.

00:05:39.000 Yeah, he had his own system, right?

00:05:42.000 Like SAFTA. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:45.000 The early days, Vijay.

00:05:46.000 The early days.

00:05:47.000 The early days.

00:05:48.000 Yep, the early days.

00:05:51.000 Me and you, we know about, right?

00:05:53.000 We know some history.

00:05:55.000 You can't get far in martial arts, or I say many things, if you don't know the history of...

00:06:00.000 The whole thing?

00:06:01.000 No, but it's really been like an honor to be there early and to get to see it and see where it is now.

00:06:09.000 For me, as like a fan, it's like, I'm like a little kid, man. 0.98

00:06:12.000 Every week when the UFC's around, I'm like, oh shit. 0.99

00:06:15.000 It is. 0.99

00:06:15.000 It's going down. 0.99

00:06:16.000 I still love it.

00:06:18.000 Yes, it is.

00:06:18.000 Oh my god, it's still the most exciting sport, you know?

00:06:22.000 No doubt.

00:06:25.000 Are you done?

00:06:26.000 Are you done fighting 100%?

00:06:28.000 I'm done.

00:06:28.000 You're done?

00:06:29.000 I'm done 100%.

00:06:30.000 And it was hard for me to get out after being in there for 20 years.

00:06:34.000 I mean, that's your identity.

00:06:35.000 Yeah.

00:06:36.000 You know?

00:06:37.000 And then I just kind of got into trying to be a father, you know?

00:06:43.000 And I was doing that thing, trying to be around more.

00:06:47.000 And then all this stuff happened and I find myself in here.

00:06:51.000 But I do think all the blood, all the tears, all the sweat, all the ups and downs, all the good media, all the bad media, all of that was to prepare me For, you know, for this, kind of, you know, I see, like, everything that they're going to throw at me, I can kind of see, like, well, I could have been through that.

00:07:11.000 Yeah.

00:07:13.000 Yeah, the mental warfare.

00:07:16.000 The mental warfare that a fighter has to go through.

00:07:19.000 I mean, my God, there's nothing like it in all sports.

00:07:22.000 And, you know, when I first decided to get into this, I was like, you know...

00:07:30.000 I was just retired, so I wasn't trying to keep my everything perfect in public.

00:07:37.000 I was just a guy trying to come off of a 20-year journey of being the baddest man on the planet.

00:07:49.000 So it was tough.

00:07:50.000 It was really tough to get over, you know, that identity.

00:07:54.000 So as time went, you know, I was just living my life, some more ups and downs.

00:07:59.000 I say, you know, sometimes I was judged fairly, other times I wasn't, you know. 1.00

00:08:05.000 Well, BJ, when you were on top, you were one of the baddest motherfuckers on earth. 1.00

00:08:09.000 You really were. 0.99

00:08:10.000 You were a guy who went all the way up to heavyweight to fight Lyoto Machida.

00:08:14.000 I mean, I remember that fight. 0.99

00:08:16.000 I mean, you did some wild shit, dude. 1.00

00:08:18.000 And you were strangling a lot of fucking people, man. 1.00

00:08:21.000 And for jujitsu guys, like for all my jujitsu guys, you were the fucking man. 1.00

00:08:26.000 Because you were a smaller guy who choked out Matt Hughes. 0.99

00:08:29.000 You know, who was so fucking good at the time, man. 0.99

00:08:32.000 And Matt Hughes was a tank. 1.00

00:08:34.000 When you got his back and choked him, everybody was like, oh shit! 1.00

00:08:38.000 Jujitsu's back. 0.99

00:08:38.000 People forgot. 0.99

00:08:41.000 They forgot those times PJ and you know there was a run like the Shawn Shirk days, Diego Sanchez days. 1.00

00:08:48.000 You were a scary motherfucker dude. 1.00

00:08:51.000 You were a scary motherfucker. 1.00

00:08:52.000 You were tuned in. 1.00

00:08:53.000 When you were tuned in man you were something fierce.

00:08:56.000 I always tell people you have to judge a fighter by the heights they reached not where they fell afterwards and or or the up-and-coming fights.

00:09:04.000 You got to judge them by the heights that they reached.

00:09:07.000 A guy like Olivera.

00:09:08.000 He's a great example.

00:09:09.000 He's had some losses.

00:09:11.000 He's been knocked out.

00:09:12.000 But you gotta judge him by the height that he's at now.

00:09:16.000 100%.

00:09:16.000 You gotta be accurate.

00:09:17.000 And then maybe he can only sustain that for a few years.

00:09:20.000 Like Fedor could only sustain it for a few years at the tippity-top of performance.

00:09:25.000 But you gotta judge him from that.

00:09:26.000 Yeah, it makes me sick when people judge him by their worst performances.

00:09:31.000 For you, your best performances were spectacular.

00:09:36.000 You had some crushing performances.

00:09:38.000 When you were training with Marinovich, and they got you in tip-top magoo shape, dude, you were terrifying when you had that crazy gas tank.

00:09:46.000 Man, I loved it.

00:09:48.000 You know, one of the Marinovich... 0.94

00:09:50.000 Wait, what's...

00:09:53.000 What's Marv?

00:09:54.000 Yeah, well, Marv passed away.

00:09:56.000 Yeah.

00:09:56.000 But Gary's at my house in Hawaii right now.

00:09:59.000 He's training some football teams or something, and he has to come down, and it's great to have...

00:10:04.000 How did that connection happen?

00:10:07.000 Because they basically changed the way you did strength and conditioning, right?

00:10:10.000 Yes.

00:10:11.000 How did this introduction happen?

00:10:14.000 They...

00:10:16.000 My brother met.

00:10:17.000 How did I run into them?

00:10:19.000 I forget exactly, but I think my brother introduced me to them, and they were just geniuses, man.

00:10:27.000 No matter how good you are, they were 50 years ahead.

00:10:30.000 I remember we were at UCLA or something, and they had a little cone pattern, and they had me run it to see my agility, and Marv said, well, that's too slow.

00:10:39.000 And the lady said, well, how do you know?

00:10:40.000 And he said, because I made it up.

00:10:43.000 LAUGHTER These guys were just ahead of everybody.

00:10:46.000 They were the guys with the NFL combine and everything was speed because he noticed that the strongest guys who had the strongest squat, the biggest bench press and all that, they had the lowest numbers on the field.

00:10:59.000 And then that's how we started to put in the agility, the speed, the movement, the reflexes and going back.

00:11:06.000 So they were really ahead of their time.

00:11:09.000 Yeah, it was wild to watch, man.

00:11:11.000 They looked like they were torturing you.

00:11:14.000 You know what?

00:11:15.000 Looking back now, I see everybody and I look at them all.

00:11:19.000 Who eats the most at the buffet?

00:11:21.000 The hungriest one.

00:11:22.000 And that's the whole thing.

00:11:24.000 No matter what.

00:11:25.000 I'll look and I'll just be like...

00:11:27.000 Is he still hungry?

00:11:28.000 That's the only question, or does he still want to eat as much?

00:11:32.000 Because literally, a lot of these guys, they haven't ate filet mignon before, they haven't ate lobster, and they're still thinking about what that's going to taste like when they finally get the opportunity to buy that for their family.

00:11:43.000 Yeah, there's like a balance, right, of how long you can maintain that hunger.

00:11:47.000 Yes.

00:11:48.000 How long can you maintain that ferocity?

00:11:51.000 Yep.

00:11:51.000 It has nothing to do with who's the best.

00:11:53.000 It's who wants it the most.

00:11:54.000 That's what it is.

00:11:56.000 And that's what I thought about.

00:11:58.000 I mean, I kind of knew that about martial arts.

00:12:00.000 I mean, you go in there and you'd be, right, as quick and as violent and as intimidating as possible.

00:12:08.000 When you get in there.

00:12:09.000 But believe me, I believe, just like me, even at my best, I'm like, what can I do to make the referee stop this?

00:12:17.000 How can I make the referee stop this thing?

00:12:20.000 Because you're nervous, right?

00:12:21.000 The hero and the coward, they're both scared.

00:12:23.000 But the hero's going to step forward. 1.00

00:12:25.000 Yeah, you were a wild motherfucker in your prime, brother. 1.00

00:12:28.000 You were a wild motherfucker. 1.00

00:12:29.000 You were fun to watch. 1.00

00:12:31.000 The Dean Thomas fight, there was a lot of fights that were like, holy shit. 0.94

00:12:34.000 Nothing else mattered to me in my life at that time than being the toughest and most skilled. 0.73

00:12:42.000 Martial artists on the planet and just fighter.

00:12:44.000 I didn't consider myself a martial artist.

00:12:47.000 I just thought of myself as a fighter. 0.99

00:12:49.000 I'll beat you up.

00:12:51.000 You were certainly doing that, man.

00:12:54.000 And so when did you continue that kind of strength and conditioning routine or did you stop doing it after a while?

00:13:04.000 People start to fall apart and different ideas and coaches start to fight with each other and you know and That's what happened with that stuff.

00:13:14.000 Marv kind of went his own way.

00:13:17.000 Because as you get six weeks out from the fight, your boxing coach is screaming, he's got to spar!

00:13:22.000 He's got to spar!

00:13:23.000 And then the other guy's like, no, this is enough!

00:13:26.000 And they start going and then it's...

00:13:28.000 As a reaction on you.

00:13:30.000 Let's explain it to everybody because this is the two different philosophies.

00:13:34.000 The Marinovichs believe that you already know how to fight. 0.75

00:13:38.000 All you need to do is just get in ridiculous condition.

00:13:41.000 And so they were just gonna put you through that and what did you do like light drills other than that?

00:13:46.000 Like hitting pads?

00:13:47.000 Like what kind of stuff did you do?

00:13:49.000 But no sparring, right?

00:13:50.000 Maybe not even pads.

00:13:52.000 Just different things, speed, a lot of good stuff.

00:13:55.000 We'd do ladders.

00:13:56.000 We would do that water workout stuff.

00:13:59.000 And they thought that that was more important than anything.

00:14:02.000 Yes, and it was very important.

00:14:03.000 I will never say that it wasn't, you know?

00:14:07.000 And then on the other side, people say, do you coach?

00:14:11.000 Do you train?

00:14:11.000 I say, no.

00:14:12.000 But if I did, I'll tell you what I would do.

00:14:14.000 I would show up to the gym.

00:14:15.000 I'd tell another coach that had his fighter, and I would say, hey, coach, can my boy get a couple rounds with your boy tomorrow? 1.00

00:14:22.000 And then I'd look at my guy and go, kick his ass tomorrow. 0.99

00:14:25.000 And then I'd leave him and make him go home and think about it all night. 1.00

00:14:28.000 Because the physical act of fighting, that ain't a fight.

00:14:31.000 It's the going home and thinking about it all night long.

00:14:34.000 Anybody can get into a fight real quick in school, but when they say, meet me at the park after and the whole school shows up, now that's the fight, you know?

00:14:41.000 Or I'll meet you in four months, you know, like for a UFC card.

00:14:46.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:14:47.000 That's when it gets wild, right?

00:14:48.000 When you're planning these fights months out and everybody gets to know that it's coming.

00:14:52.000 Yes.

00:14:53.000 But that's it.

00:14:54.000 Sleeping with that.

00:14:55.000 That's what it's all about.

00:14:57.000 Sleeping with it.

00:14:58.000 Controlling it.

00:14:59.000 Internalizing it.

00:15:00.000 That was one of the things that seemed to weigh heavy on Aldo when he was meeting up with Conor.

00:15:07.000 Particularly for the first fight.

00:15:10.000 For the first fight that Conor fought for the title when he knocked him out quick. 0.97

00:15:15.000 It seemed like Aldo was emotionally invested in In that fight because Conor talks so much shit for so long they promoted that thing for months and months right Conor was just Disrespectful grab his belt. 0.83

00:15:29.000 Nobody was ever like that with Aldo. 0.96

00:15:31.000 Everybody always was respectful of him.

00:15:33.000 He was dangerous Yep, I mean all doing it in his prime again in his prime. 0.99

00:15:38.000 He was a bad motherfucker Yep, then Chad Mendes knockout in Brazil Yes. 0.99

00:15:44.000 I mean, think of some of the Aldo's amazing. 0.99

00:15:46.000 The Uriah Faber fight.

00:15:47.000 Amazing.

00:15:48.000 Yup. 1.00

00:15:49.000 Dude, Aldo in his prime was a fucking wizard. 0.99

00:15:52.000 Right? 1.00

00:15:53.000 Yup.

00:15:53.000 And it's amazing that he has the hunger he has today.

00:15:56.000 Still fighting.

00:15:57.000 I know.

00:15:57.000 Well, he looks really good right now at 135. He looks really good.

00:16:01.000 Yes, he does.

00:16:02.000 Yes, he does.

00:16:03.000 Proud of that guy.

00:16:04.000 Yeah, he doesn't look like he's lost anything in getting down to that weight.

00:16:08.000 It's just like he's doing it the right way. 0.98

00:16:10.000 The fucking scientists that can get people to do that now. 1.00

00:16:14.000 Those weight cutting scientists. 1.00

00:16:16.000 They're amazing.

00:16:17.000 You know, those guys, they got it down to like every gram of salt you're going to take into your body and how much water and like...

00:16:25.000 Right.

00:16:26.000 What is it?

00:16:27.000 Three...

00:16:28.000 Is it three...

00:16:29.000 A calorie of a carbohydrate holds...

00:16:34.000 They know exactly how much water each carbohydrate holds in your body.

00:16:38.000 When you hear those guys talk about weight cutting and they start breaking out notepads and writing down your exact body weight and how much you can take off, like...

00:16:47.000 Well, you see all of that.

00:16:50.000 When they ask me about, what did you learn from MMA that you can bring into this governor thing, to this work?

00:17:00.000 And that's what I always say, because I don't know all the answers that I'll be asked, but I got a team of people who do, and that was MMA. We got our jiu-jitsu guy.

00:17:08.000 We got our boxing coach.

00:17:10.000 We got our kickboxing coach.

00:17:11.000 We got our strength and conditioning coach.

00:17:13.000 We got our...

00:17:14.000 Our nutritionist.

00:17:16.000 And that's what it's about, surrounding yourself with the best team.

00:17:20.000 I mean, you ask me, hey, when did you win that belt?

00:17:22.000 And I'll say, oh, we won the belt on this day.

00:17:24.000 Because it really is.

00:17:25.000 It's always a team.

00:17:26.000 And even you sitting here with the martial arts, when you think about it, you think about your sensei and the people who've helped you build your martial arts game.

00:17:36.000 Sure.

00:17:37.000 It's a team.

00:17:38.000 Yeah, you can't do it by yourself.

00:17:40.000 It's impossible.

00:17:40.000 Nope.

00:17:41.000 I mean, you do get into arguments and you do say, hey, when the bell rings, everybody else is going to sit out.

00:17:48.000 I'm going to stand up.

00:17:49.000 But, you know, you do.

00:17:51.000 Really?

00:17:51.000 Because the team argues, you know?

00:17:53.000 Right.

00:17:53.000 Everybody gets into it.

00:17:55.000 But you have to have someone teaching you.

00:17:58.000 There's no way you can learn.

00:18:00.000 I mean, even if you're learning off videotapes, someone teaches you.

00:18:03.000 Yeah, everything I know I've been taught.

00:18:06.000 Yeah.

00:18:08.000 I'm not gonna say I made up anything, but maybe somebody didn't show me some stuff, but it's already been done. 0.96

00:18:13.000 But you added your own flavor to a lot of shit, and one of the things that you did early on that captured a lot of people was your dexterity of your legs. 0.93

00:18:21.000 They were like, oh, that's a big advantage, because you have crazy flexible legs, and your leg dexterity, your ability to move your legs is pretty extraordinary. 0.98

00:18:30.000 And when you would trap guys in your legs, you could see that to them, like, this was a new experience.

00:18:37.000 I never knew about that until I did Jiu Jitsu.

00:18:40.000 I never knew I was flexible.

00:18:42.000 Never knew I was strong.

00:18:44.000 I was kind of just a skinnier kid is why.

00:18:47.000 So that's why I always say, they say, so what do you have to be?

00:18:50.000 Strong or flexible?

00:18:52.000 And I say, you need both.

00:18:53.000 Because you can't have your leg on your face and just have the guy push it.

00:18:58.000 You got to be able to lift him off of there.

00:19:01.000 I always say that you need to be strong and you need to be flexible.

00:19:06.000 One or the other, you're okay.

00:19:08.000 But when you got them both, you're dangerous.

00:19:10.000 You would do a lot of wild band stretches too, right?

00:19:15.000 You did stretches with resistance bands?

00:19:18.000 I'd always stretch.

00:19:19.000 I mean, there's probably some old videos where I could throw my leg behind my head.

00:19:23.000 Yeah, without your hand, right?

00:19:24.000 Without my hands.

00:19:25.000 And I'd do both of them.

00:19:26.000 I mean, it wasn't a really cool thing to show people that you could do that, but I could do it.

00:19:31.000 It's cool for Jiu-Jitsu people.

00:19:33.000 Jiu-Jitsu people are the people that would be impressed by this.

00:19:35.000 Like, look at this.

00:19:36.000 Here it is.

00:19:37.000 Watch this.

00:19:38.000 This is insane.

00:19:40.000 He just throws his leg behind his head without using his hands.

00:19:43.000 That's crazy.

00:19:44.000 People don't understand how hard that is to do.

00:19:47.000 That's so hard to do.

00:19:49.000 That's insanely hard to do.

00:19:51.000 That's funny.

00:19:52.000 But your guard, because of that, was so dangerous. 0.99

00:19:55.000 Because you could do shit, and you could sweep people in ways that they didn't understand how you were using your leg so well. 0.98

00:20:01.000 You know what? 0.99

00:20:02.000 I would always...

00:20:05.000 I've been in those positions where are you going to let him pass or are you going to do something about it?

00:20:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:20:13.000 You're right there.

00:20:14.000 You're in the open division and the guy's almost ready to pass your guard in the final and you're up by two points.

00:20:22.000 That's kind of like how when I was fighting Matt Hughes, I'd never wrestled.

00:20:26.000 I mean, I wrestled a little bit in junior college, but nothing like Matt Hughes.

00:20:29.000 We were jujitsu guys.

00:20:30.000 We always have that in our...

00:20:32.000 It's hard for us to become wrestlers, you know?

00:20:35.000 But everybody's like, how did you get so good at wrestling?

00:20:39.000 How did you stop Matthews from taking you down?

00:20:41.000 And I just said, I just decided one day I'm not going to let him take me down.

00:20:46.000 I just decided.

00:20:47.000 We're going to go out there.

00:20:49.000 And that's what it is.

00:20:50.000 And if I fall down real quick, I'm going to get back up.

00:20:53.000 You know, and it's just a decision.

00:20:54.000 Well, you always have bizarre balance. 0.64

00:20:56.000 There's a video of someone trying to take you down with a single and you're hopping around the ring with one leg and they just can't fucking take you down.

00:21:05.000 But it might be training footage. 0.78

00:21:08.000 It might be inside a cage.

00:21:09.000 I think it's with Kenny Johnson because I was looking at that gif the other day and so he was trying to grab my back leg.

00:21:15.000 It's crazy.

00:21:16.000 That's crazy agility. 0.98

00:21:19.000 Your balance and your agility in your prime was fucking fantastic. 0.97

00:21:22.000 It was very unusual. 0.97

00:21:23.000 That was getting ready for the Shirk fight.

00:21:27.000 He never really went for any takedowns, but I think he would have had a hard time.

00:21:31.000 The Shirk fight, was that before Marinovich?

00:21:34.000 Yes, that was before Marinovich.

00:21:36.000 That was just me and Jason Perillo and my old coach, Rudy Valentino.

00:21:40.000 I don't know if you remember him.

00:21:40.000 He had the mustache.

00:21:41.000 He'd walk out with me a lot.

00:21:43.000 What were you doing for strength and conditioning back then?

00:21:47.000 Doing some body, I guess just lifting like bodybuilder stuff.

00:21:50.000 Oh really?

00:21:51.000 Yeah.

00:21:51.000 Just lifting bodybuilder stuff and training a lot though.

00:21:54.000 So it was just mostly just martial arts training.

00:21:56.000 Yeah.

00:21:57.000 And I was training with Matt Linlin a lot.

00:21:59.000 I was with Team Quest a lot.

00:22:00.000 We were kind of going back and forth.

00:22:02.000 Because that was a destructive performance too.

00:22:04.000 And Sean Shirk, like people forget, that guy was a beast back then.

00:22:07.000 He was a beast.

00:22:08.000 He was. 1.00

00:22:09.000 He was a fucking tank. 1.00

00:22:10.000 He was. 1.00

00:22:11.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:22:12.000 He was. 0.99

00:22:13.000 I hope that guy's doing great now.

00:22:14.000 Me too.

00:22:15.000 I haven't talked to him in forever.

00:22:16.000 That guy was built like a superhero.

00:22:18.000 Yeah, he was.

00:22:19.000 He had crazy cardio too.

00:22:21.000 Remember those bananas workouts that he used to do?

00:22:24.000 Yeah, he's the one who kind of made up a lot of them.

00:22:27.000 Like, right?

00:22:28.000 And you know, before him, Rich Franklin.

00:22:30.000 Really? 1.00

00:22:31.000 Rich Franklin did a lot of crazy shit. 1.00

00:22:33.000 Wow, so that's kind of... 1.00

00:22:34.000 I could see that kind of going that direction.

00:22:37.000 I could see...

00:22:38.000 You know what?

00:22:39.000 They built...

00:22:41.000 Today's workouts are kind of built around what they do.

00:22:44.000 I remember CrossFit kind of came out and then they did that fight gone bad for me.

00:22:49.000 That was amazing that I was there when the CrossFit started.

00:22:52.000 Just so happened up in Santa Cruz.

00:22:55.000 They were living out of their garage and they put it together and him and his wife did so well.

00:23:00.000 They did so well that they're not together and they're still good friends.

00:23:03.000 That's how well they did.

00:23:06.000 But all that functional fitness stuff came about.

00:23:10.000 And that's when Steve Maxwell was doing a lot of training.

00:23:12.000 He was training Diego at the time.

00:23:14.000 Yup.

00:23:14.000 This is what everybody does today.

00:23:16.000 Yeah, Shawn Shirk workouts.

00:23:17.000 Yeah, this was... 0.54

00:23:18.000 Yeah, back in the day, Shawn Shirk was doing all this crazy rope work shit and plyometrics and all kinds of wild strength and conditioning. 0.67

00:23:28.000 And he was known for having this spectacular gas tank. 0.57

00:23:31.000 Who was that guy with him?

00:23:33.000 That guy must be one of the guys who figured this stuff out.

00:23:37.000 Yeah, I mean they had it all broke down and you know and now like basically every camp has something like this.

00:23:44.000 They just had a thing on Gilbert before he fought Hamzat and he was doing a very similar type of you know you do one station here on a bike one station here you're picking up and slamming a heavy bag over and over again and they're just going through station to station just like this.

00:23:57.000 I was wondering I didn't get to watch the exact whole fight, but I heard Hamzat and Gilbert was a great fight.

00:24:05.000 It was insane.

00:24:06.000 I was waiting for Hamzat to get in there with one of the greatest fighters and I heard it was just amazing.

00:24:14.000 Hamzat did what he was supposed to do. 0.98

00:24:16.000 He stepped up and he fought.

00:24:18.000 And Gilbert, of course, we know he's going to fight and he can knock you out too.

00:24:22.000 Amazing.

00:24:23.000 Thank both of those guys for putting that on for us. 0.98

00:24:26.000 Yeah, it was fucking incredible. 0.95

00:24:28.000 And, you know, it's not a fight that a lot of guys were jumping to take, but Gilbert will fight anybody. 0.98

00:24:34.000 Gilbert will fight anybody.

00:24:36.000 Without a doubt. 0.99

00:24:36.000 And that was a close fucking fight. 0.99

00:24:39.000 I mean, that was a close fight. 1.00

00:24:41.000 Gilbert had him fucking hurt. 0.99

00:24:43.000 Really? 0.99

00:24:44.000 He hit him with a big right hand.

00:24:45.000 When was that?

00:24:47.000 Because I didn't see the fight.

00:24:49.000 Was that middle fight?

00:24:50.000 I don't know.

00:24:51.000 I don't remember if that was the second or the third.

00:24:54.000 But he heard him, huh?

00:24:55.000 I think it was the second where he heard him.

00:24:56.000 Yeah, he dropped him.

00:24:57.000 Wow.

00:24:58.000 And they were in a wild scramble.

00:25:00.000 That dude's a dog.

00:25:02.000 Hamzat is a dog. 0.61

00:25:03.000 Right?

00:25:03.000 He gets clipped.

00:25:04.000 He's just on you.

00:25:05.000 Even Hurt, he dove on a double and took Gilbert down. 0.58

00:25:09.000 I mean, he's an animal.

00:25:10.000 Right?

00:25:11.000 And to not have that much experience in the big And to beat a guy like Gilbert, I mean, that's saying something.

00:25:17.000 It's saying something.

00:25:18.000 It was such a close fight.

00:25:19.000 Such a close fight.

00:25:21.000 There's a lot of people that thought that Gilbert could have got the decision.

00:25:23.000 It was that close.

00:25:24.000 But it was an incredible performance.

00:25:26.000 It was an honor to sit there and watch, I'm sure.

00:25:28.000 For sure.

00:25:29.000 It was wild.

00:25:30.000 I mean, Gilbert's something.

00:25:32.000 And I think he keeps getting better, too.

00:25:35.000 I think he's better than he was before.

00:25:38.000 He looked fantastic in that fight.

00:25:39.000 Good for him.

00:25:40.000 Good for him.

00:25:41.000 And Hamzat's the truth though. 1.00

00:25:43.000 That guy's the truth.

00:25:44.000 That's an amazing division right now.

00:25:45.000 You got Hamzat, you got Gilbert, you got Kobe.

00:25:48.000 Yeah.

00:25:48.000 You got Masvidal, you got Usman.

00:25:51.000 You got all these guys.

00:25:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:25:53.000 And damn, there's this other Russian gentleman who's undefeated who's fighting soon. 0.98

00:25:58.000 He's fighting Neil Magny. 0.98

00:26:01.000 God, I cannot pronounce his name.

00:26:04.000 Magny's a tough guy, too.

00:26:06.000 Magny's a very tough guy.

00:26:07.000 And you got Leon Edwards, right?

00:26:09.000 Alright. 0.96

00:26:10.000 I always fuck this guy's name up because I've never called his fight. 0.74

00:26:13.000 Or maybe I did call one of his fights. 0.99

00:26:16.000 Shavkat Rachmanov.

00:26:18.000 I've been paying a lot of attention to his fights lately.

00:26:22.000 Google some of his highlights.

00:26:26.000 He's got like a karate style.

00:26:28.000 Okay, I remember seeing this Mongolian with the hat, the Khabib hat. 0.98

00:26:35.000 You know, you think of a guy like that, you think of a wrestler, but this guy, although he is absolutely a good grappler, his kicks are fucking insane. 0.61

00:26:43.000 And he can wrestle too, huh? 0.73

00:26:45.000 He can wrestle too.

00:26:46.000 But as a striker is where he really shines.

00:26:48.000 He throws nasty kicks.

00:26:50.000 Kicks to the body.

00:26:52.000 Just a really good striker. 1.00

00:26:53.000 Tough as fuck. 0.99

00:26:55.000 And undefeated. 0.98

00:26:56.000 But he's a guy that's not getting a lot of hype for whatever reason, but I think he's someone to keep an eye on.

00:27:01.000 It's the first time I've ever saw him, yeah.

00:27:03.000 He's good.

00:27:03.000 See, he's got submissions, no doubt.

00:27:07.000 I mean, he's good at everything.

00:27:08.000 I wish I had a better guillotine. 0.75

00:27:10.000 How's your guillotine? 0.96

00:27:11.000 You got a good guillotine? 0.80

00:27:12.000 It's okay.

00:27:16.000 Yeah, but this guy's very talented.

00:27:18.000 Very talented.

00:27:19.000 And undefeated.

00:27:20.000 And again, I think he said on his Instagram that he's fighting Neil Magny.

00:27:25.000 Okay.

00:27:26.000 Is that what it says?

00:27:27.000 June 25th.

00:27:28.000 So that's a big fight.

00:27:30.000 That's a big fight for me because I want to see.

00:27:32.000 It's the same thing with Gilbert and Hamzat. 0.96

00:27:35.000 I wanted to see that fight.

00:27:36.000 I was like, okay, let's see what happens now. 0.98

00:27:39.000 And this is one of those, let's see what happens now because Neil Magny is the real fucking deal. 0.97

00:27:43.000 That's a great fight. 0.98

00:27:44.000 Neil Magny will test you.

00:27:46.000 That guy's got cardio for days.

00:27:50.000 Who puts up a better pace than Neil Magny?

00:27:53.000 There's no breaks in a Neil Magny fight.

00:27:56.000 That's true.

00:27:57.000 That dude has gas.

00:27:59.000 That dude has gas.

00:27:59.000 And he'll fight anyone.

00:28:00.000 He ain't afraid of nobody.

00:28:01.000 Fight anyone.

00:28:02.000 And he rarely gets hurt.

00:28:04.000 He's so talented and long.

00:28:07.000 He's so good at using that distance and that pace that he puts on people.

00:28:10.000 He just stays on you.

00:28:12.000 Stays on you.

00:28:13.000 Yup. 0.99

00:28:14.000 He's nasty. 0.91

00:28:15.000 So that's going to be a real good fight.

00:28:16.000 We've been around some of the greatest athletes Ever.

00:28:19.000 For sure.

00:28:20.000 Right?

00:28:21.000 And tough guys, too.

00:28:22.000 And just egos, attitudes, humbleness, humility, we've seen a lot.

00:28:28.000 We've seen the rise and fall of people, too.

00:28:31.000 Right?

00:28:32.000 That's the thing.

00:28:33.000 We've seen the hunger, and when you get full, you just wait.

00:28:38.000 Yeah.

00:28:39.000 And then there's some guys who just, for whatever reason, can sustain for a long time.

00:28:44.000 Like Jim Miller.

00:28:46.000 Jim Miller going strong.

00:28:47.000 Even Clay Guida going strong.

00:28:50.000 Right?

00:28:50.000 Going strong.

00:28:50.000 How is that possible?

00:28:52.000 I mean, he got caught, but I mean, so what? 0.96

00:28:54.000 That dude's nasty. 0.95

00:28:56.000 That dude he fought is nasty. 0.91

00:28:57.000 He just got caught in a submission.

00:28:59.000 But, yeah, how does he keep that hunger?

00:29:02.000 Because he just won his last fight by submission, choked out a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt.

00:29:07.000 One of my best buddies, Leo Santos.

00:29:09.000 Dude, he's been doing it forever.

00:29:12.000 Clay Gleason has been doing it forever, but he still loves it.

00:29:14.000 Yep.

00:29:15.000 What keeps those guys going?

00:29:17.000 Some guys, like Randy.

00:29:19.000 Randy was going deep into his 40s.

00:29:21.000 What is the hunger for Clay, you ask?

00:29:25.000 He just loves it.

00:29:26.000 Some guys just love it.

00:29:28.000 He's just an animal.

00:29:29.000 You don't need hunger.

00:29:29.000 Some guys don't need hunger to go to the buffet.

00:29:31.000 They just walk right in.

00:29:34.000 They just want to eat all the time.

00:29:36.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:29:37.000 Some guys just love it and they can endure.

00:29:40.000 It's very interesting.

00:29:42.000 And for a fighter, one of the most difficult decisions I would imagine is knowing when to get out.

00:29:49.000 I had the hardest time, you know?

00:29:52.000 I had the hardest time.

00:29:59.000 I saved my money, you know, I did businesses, and I just had the hardest time walking away from that attention, you know, from the attention of the toughest man in the world attention.

00:30:13.000 Right.

00:30:13.000 You know, it's not from the TV. It's, hey, I want to be the toughest.

00:30:17.000 And when you are a champion, and Matt Hughes told me about this, he said...

00:30:23.000 You can't wait to get rid of that belt, because you can't wait.

00:30:27.000 But as soon as it's gone, you're like, hey, where is it?

00:30:31.000 Wait, wait, I'm the toughest guy in the world to get.

00:30:33.000 Where is it?

00:30:34.000 And you're looking, you know, and everybody's had to deal with it.

00:30:39.000 I'm Anderson, he, you know, man.

00:30:44.000 Anderson is another guy that I say, you gotta judge him by his prime.

00:30:48.000 Yeah.

00:30:48.000 You gotta judge him by those few years when he was a wizard.

00:30:52.000 How many defenses was it?

00:30:53.000 He was a magician.

00:30:54.000 Right?

00:30:54.000 How many defenses?

00:30:56.000 And it was the way he was doing it.

00:30:57.000 Like the Vitor one with the front kick to the face.

00:31:00.000 And the Forrest one.

00:31:01.000 I'm in the back.

00:31:02.000 Oh my god.

00:31:03.000 With all my adrenaline going, trying to get ready to go fight Florian.

00:31:08.000 And here comes...

00:31:09.000 He walks out, and in one minute, I felt like a minute, Anderson starts walking back.

00:31:14.000 He just knocked out Forrest Griffin, and he goes, BJ, it's your turn, let's go!

00:31:19.000 Just like, shaking my head. 0.86

00:31:22.000 This guy's crazy.

00:31:23.000 You remember when he knocked out James Irvin? 0.82

00:31:25.000 He stepped up in weight?

00:31:26.000 Yup.

00:31:27.000 What was it?

00:31:29.000 Off the kick or something?

00:31:30.000 Oh my god.

00:31:31.000 He was smashing people. 0.96

00:31:32.000 And Irvin was a beast. 0.99

00:31:33.000 He was a beast. 0.91

00:31:34.000 And that guy looked like a superhero. 0.89

00:31:37.000 Remember how jacked that guy was?

00:31:39.000 Anderson in that era would not be denied.

00:31:41.000 That Anderson had fought Chris Lieben.

00:31:44.000 For those years, Anderson was scary.

00:31:47.000 The Rich Franklin fights.

00:31:48.000 Who's gonna be able to compete with, I mean, put it all together and stay, right?

00:31:54.000 And he was just so clever on the feet.

00:31:57.000 He set guys up.

00:31:58.000 He'd lead you into kicks.

00:32:00.000 He would set guys up.

00:32:02.000 But it's like there was a period of...

00:32:06.000 I don't know how many years it was and how many defenses.

00:32:09.000 You'd have to go over it with a fine-tooth comb.

00:32:11.000 But there was a period where you would look at his career and go, I don't know who's better than that.

00:32:15.000 Right?

00:32:16.000 Right?

00:32:17.000 I don't know who's better than that.

00:32:18.000 The timing that he had.

00:32:19.000 I remember when he...

00:32:21.000 This fight right here is a perfect example. 1.00

00:32:23.000 Chris Lieben was just a fucking savage. 1.00

00:32:26.000 He's a beast, Chris Lieben. 1.00

00:32:27.000 I mean, he's just trying.

00:32:29.000 He's just totally out of his league in this fight.

00:32:33.000 And we had seen Anderson fight over in Pride, and then really came into his own when he was fighting in England.

00:32:41.000 Remember those cage rage?

00:32:43.000 Yes.

00:32:44.000 Wasn't that Anderson's first fight?

00:32:46.000 In the UFC. Yeah.

00:32:48.000 But this was after he'd fought Lee Murray.

00:32:50.000 This was after he'd fought a lot of guys over in England.

00:32:54.000 He had some crazy good fights over in England.

00:32:56.000 Oh, that's right.

00:32:56.000 He fought Lee Murray.

00:32:57.000 Yeah.

00:32:58.000 I forget.

00:32:59.000 That's where he really came into his own.

00:33:01.000 What was his...

00:33:01.000 Georgie, the one he...

00:33:03.000 I think he fought Bisping.

00:33:05.000 He...

00:33:05.000 I remember one of his friends told me...

00:33:08.000 What was the guy...

00:33:08.000 He was in the UFC, the Puerto Rican one.

00:33:10.000 George...

00:33:12.000 He fought Michael Bisbee.

00:33:13.000 Rivera?

00:33:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:15.000 One of his guys was telling us that he fought Anderson in cage rage and he said he hit Anderson all his might in his face and it did nothing and that's when he knew it was done.

00:33:26.000 It's a crazy video.

00:33:29.000 Anderson lets him punch him in the face. 0.95

00:33:31.000 This is it right here.

00:33:33.000 And then there was also like, remember that Tony Fricklin fight where he practiced this crazy upward elbow?

00:33:41.000 And his trainer's like, stop doing that.

00:33:43.000 Like, why are you practicing that?

00:33:44.000 You're not going to do that.

00:33:45.000 And so he made his wife hold pillows and he practiced it at home.

00:33:50.000 Because he couldn't do it in the gym.

00:33:51.000 Because the gym, they wouldn't let him.

00:33:52.000 So he starts practicing.

00:33:54.000 He's like, I'm going to knock him out with that.

00:33:56.000 And then he went and just purposely set up that one technique. 0.99

00:34:00.000 And Fricklin, he's the kind of guy that could kill somebody. 1.00

00:34:02.000 These guys are animals. 0.99

00:34:04.000 And he practiced a technique on it.

00:34:07.000 And this is it right here.

00:34:08.000 This is where the Rivera fight. 0.71

00:34:10.000 And Rivera was a powerful striker, too.

00:34:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:13.000 That's why that was crazy that that did nothing to him.

00:34:15.000 Because what?

00:34:15.000 Rivera hit top 10, top 5, right?

00:34:17.000 He was there for a little bit.

00:34:18.000 Yeah, he was for a little bit.

00:34:19.000 Yeah, he was definitely top 10. I love seeing the old UFC guys around.

00:34:24.000 Yeah.

00:34:24.000 I love seeing them.

00:34:26.000 Anderson was something special back then.

00:34:28.000 Remember when he would grab the neck?

00:34:31.000 Nobody could do it like him.

00:34:32.000 And I think Anderson showed me this one where he kind of grabs around like this.

00:34:36.000 So even if the guy's arm is in, if you grab like this, you'll just crush their arm.

00:34:40.000 So he's not doing traditional like this with one hand on top of this?

00:34:43.000 He probably knows them all just like us in jujitsu, you know?

00:34:47.000 But he was showing me this.

00:34:49.000 He said, DJ, look this.

00:34:50.000 And even with my arm in, he'll just pull you right in.

00:34:54.000 Well, whatever he was doing, he was doing it.

00:34:56.000 Because when he got a hold of Rich, Rich Franklin was trapped.

00:35:00.000 That clinch, his plum was better than anybody's.

00:35:03.000 Right?

00:35:04.000 Twice he beat him with the plum.

00:35:06.000 And Rich was the best in the world.

00:35:08.000 Yeah, and again, Rich was saying he was one of the first guys to ever be in super good shape.

00:35:14.000 He had a whole circuit that he would do, too.

00:35:17.000 I forget who his coach was. 0.96

00:35:19.000 But he was one of the first guys, when the UFC videotaped his workout sessions, people were like, what the fuck is Rich doing?

00:35:27.000 Rich told me, he said, Tim Sylvia doing this to him is nothing compared to Anderson doing it. 0.51

00:35:35.000 That's what Rich was saying.

00:35:36.000 Wow.

00:35:38.000 That's incredible.

00:35:40.000 Right?

00:35:40.000 Yeah, you gotta remember.

00:35:41.000 People have to remember Anderson from those days.

00:35:43.000 When you're looking at who's the GOAT, I don't think you really can say who's the greatest in all time.

00:35:47.000 There's no such thing.

00:35:48.000 But when you look at the GOATs, you gotta factor in Anderson when he was in his prime.

00:35:53.000 Because Anderson, when he was in his prime, was just destroying people.

00:35:57.000 Look, he wanted to walk away.

00:35:58.000 You saw Rick.

00:35:59.000 You see how he lifts?

00:36:02.000 That's what I was noticing too.

00:36:04.000 When Anderson grabs your neck, when you go to grab him around like this, then he'll just knee you in your rib and break your rib.

00:36:12.000 Look at that.

00:36:13.000 You're talking about one of the toughest guys ever lying on his back in pain right there, you know?

00:36:17.000 And the way he did it was like just precision.

00:36:20.000 I mean, it was every step of the way he was one step ahead.

00:36:24.000 He just was striking him at will towards the end.

00:36:28.000 Yup.

00:36:28.000 He was a fantastic fighter in his prime.

00:36:30.000 Even when, you know, even when he...

00:36:33.000 He was so good that even when he did get hit that one time from Wyoming and went out, I thought he was faking.

00:36:38.000 That's crazy.

00:36:38.000 I thought he was faking.

00:36:40.000 That's how good Anderson was, you know?

00:36:43.000 I thought he was faking.

00:36:44.000 I think it's that thing, BJ, that you were talking about that Matt Hughes said.

00:36:48.000 Because Matt Hughes said it when I was interviewing him after he lost the belt.

00:36:53.000 He said, to be honest, it's a relief.

00:36:55.000 He was really very brave of him to say that, right?

00:36:59.000 As a guy who just lost the title.

00:37:01.000 But to be honest, it feels like a relief.

00:37:03.000 Like it was a lot of pressure.

00:37:04.000 He was just being himself.

00:37:05.000 He's saying, I'm just telling you the truth.

00:37:07.000 This is hard to carry this crown.

00:37:09.000 Get this away from me.

00:37:11.000 And then it's like that ring on the Lord of the Rings.

00:37:14.000 Where is my precious?

00:37:16.000 And we come back for it, right?

00:37:19.000 That's exactly what the UFC belt is.

00:37:21.000 It's that Lord of the Rings.

00:37:22.000 It's the ring.

00:37:23.000 I think that's what the casual fans don't understand.

00:37:26.000 That's one aspect of it that they probably don't factor in, is the extreme amount of pressure it is to be a guy that everyone's gunning for.

00:37:35.000 It's not the same as any other...

00:37:39.000 Athletic pursuit because the guy's trying to hurt you.

00:37:42.000 Yes, you're trying to hurt each other It's not just I want to be a better baseball player than you Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:37:48.000 It's I want to be a better baseball player than you and I want to beat the fuck out of you Yeah, and so there's like a hundred guys like that who want to beat the fuck out of you because you're the guy in in in tennis when you mess up it's 50 love When you mess up here, it's your ass. 0.99

00:38:04.000 It's the most consequences, which is why it's the most exciting for people to watch, because everybody knows. 0.99

00:38:10.000 You know, going around now doing this new governor thing, I talk to people and I ask every question and they go...

00:38:16.000 It's great for you to show your humility and asking these questions and letting us know that you need our help.

00:38:23.000 And I always tell them the same.

00:38:25.000 I say, hey, in the business I did the last 20 years, I can't fake anything.

00:38:29.000 It'll cost me my health.

00:38:31.000 If I go out there and fake like I know how to defend myself, I'm going to seriously get hurt.

00:38:37.000 And I think that's just ingrained in us at this point.

00:38:41.000 You know, if I don't know something, if you don't know something before you get in that ring, you better ask.

00:38:46.000 Yeah, that's a really great aspect of martial arts. 0.99

00:38:51.000 Like, if you don't know what you're doing, and you pretend you know what you're doing, you get fucked up. 0.99

00:38:57.000 Yep. 1.00

00:38:58.000 Period.

00:38:58.000 Yep.

00:38:59.000 100%.

00:39:00.000 And I feel that when coming into this.

00:39:04.000 I'll ask every question.

00:39:06.000 I tell people, my ears look like this from listening.

00:39:09.000 That's why my ears look like this. 1.00

00:39:12.000 Listening to all this shit. 0.99

00:39:15.000 Yeah, if you don't pay attention and you don't really look at what's real and what's not real in martial arts, you can't do it. 0.99

00:39:25.000 It's not possible.

00:39:26.000 No.

00:39:26.000 You will never be able to figure out how to put a submission together.

00:39:29.000 You're not going to do it.

00:39:31.000 Let me act like I know how to defend kicks.

00:39:35.000 I already got it.

00:39:36.000 I got it.

00:39:36.000 Leave me alone.

00:39:37.000 Imagine if you didn't want to listen to a Thai coach.

00:39:41.000 Of course you'd want to listen.

00:39:42.000 But we are all like a product of all the people who have ever trained with us, who have ever trained us, who have ever worked out with.

00:39:51.000 We're all the product of each other.

00:39:53.000 That's why great gyms produce great fighters too.

00:39:55.000 It's one of the, you know, iron sharpens iron.

00:39:59.000 That's the fact.

00:40:00.000 You know, you don't get that.

00:40:01.000 It's always we, right?

00:40:03.000 Yep.

00:40:03.000 But it's you.

00:40:04.000 Yes. 1.00

00:40:05.000 But when that fucking door closes, it's you. 1.00

00:40:06.000 And that's where it gets crazy, BJ. Right? 1.00

00:40:09.000 You know?

00:40:09.000 That's where it gets crazy.

00:40:10.000 Like in some of your bigger fights, I remember being there going, God damn, like just goosebumps and crackling and I'm ready for it to go down. 1.00

00:40:19.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:40:20.000 You had some exciting ones, man. 0.99

00:40:23.000 And me, when you're in that moment, you don't even realize because you're just there for that, right?

00:40:28.000 And then now, if you look at martial arts history, like if I was going to teach a course, like a college course in the evolution of martial arts, you're a chapter in that book.

00:40:41.000 100%.

00:40:42.000 Because you were a guy that got really dangerous on the feet, but lethal on the ground too. 0.93

00:40:47.000 So you were a great combination, because you were strangling people, you were fucking people up with submissions, but you were also super dangerous on your feet. 0.76

00:40:55.000 I remember I was a Jiu Jitsu... 0.62

00:40:57.000 Was I a Jiu Jitsu world champion already?

00:40:59.000 I might have been a brown belt maybe, and Javier Mendez was in San Jose.

00:41:03.000 So I remember going there one day, and me and him just clicked right away.

00:41:08.000 But he was like, hey, you want me to punch the mitts?

00:41:09.000 I'm like, okay.

00:41:10.000 And I punched the mitts a lot as a kid.

00:41:12.000 I got into a lot of fights as a kid.

00:41:14.000 And I started hitting the mitts and he goes, you can hit hard.

00:41:19.000 You could knock somebody out, BJ. You could be a champion.

00:41:23.000 And I thought he was just joking.

00:41:25.000 I just thought he was just being nice.

00:41:27.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:28.000 I'm like, okay, thanks.

00:41:30.000 Thanks, Hav.

00:41:31.000 And, you know, they were with me my first four or five fights.

00:41:35.000 But that's kind of what got me in.

00:41:38.000 Isn't it funny that sometimes someone has to tell you? 1.00

00:41:40.000 Someone has to tell you, like, hey man, you got some wild shit. 0.99

00:41:44.000 You can do some things. 0.99

00:41:46.000 Right?

00:41:46.000 Yeah.

00:41:47.000 And that makes them take the journey.

00:41:49.000 And even Brian Johnston, he used to be with Brian, Frank Shamrock, all of those guys, Bobby Southworth.

00:41:54.000 They were all with Javier Mendes at the time.

00:41:56.000 And I remember Brian Johnson telling me, BJ, you can be a UFC champion.

00:42:01.000 And that's when I really believed it.

00:42:04.000 I was like, this guy was in the UFC. He knows, you know?

00:42:08.000 Right.

00:42:09.000 And that's when I kind of, you know, Brian, he's had a hard life since.

00:42:13.000 I think you know what was happening in Brian Johnson's life.

00:42:15.000 Yeah, he got, did he get injured?

00:42:17.000 Yeah, he got injured and it kind of left him with handicapped kind of, a stroke or something, just a...

00:42:24.000 Random something terrible happened.

00:42:26.000 Oh, this was quite a few years back.

00:42:28.000 Yeah.

00:42:29.000 Can he walk around?

00:42:31.000 He's still going.

00:42:32.000 I don't know what he can do.

00:42:33.000 I haven't seen him.

00:42:34.000 But I love him and he's one of the guys who made me believe in myself.

00:42:40.000 That's amazing.

00:42:42.000 It's sorry to hear about him.

00:42:45.000 When people were just starting to tell you that you could fight in the UFC, what did you plan to do if you didn't do that?

00:42:52.000 I wanted to just be a jiu-jitsu guy, just have a jiu-jitsu school, and just, you know, teach seminars and say that, you know, I won the jiu-jitsu championships years back.

00:43:04.000 Well, now, 20 years ago, I was, well, 50 years ago, I was the jiu-jitsu world champion.

00:43:09.000 That's kind of, I didn't know what I was going to do in my life, you know?

00:43:13.000 I would see one of my older brothers who would just drink beer at the beach every day, and I really didn't know what I was going to do.

00:43:23.000 I'm thankful and happy that my father ended up...

00:43:27.000 Kenan Cornelius, his father, moved right across the road from me.

00:43:29.000 He did a couple of jiu-jitsu lessons from Half Gracie.

00:43:32.000 And we got...

00:43:34.000 His name is Tom Callis.

00:43:35.000 I really shouldn't say Kenan Cornelius, his father, because Kenan came up way later, you know.

00:43:39.000 But he introduced me to jiu-jitsu.

00:43:41.000 He kept asking my father...

00:43:43.000 Hey, could you tell your boy come down and come to the rec center and roll around?

00:43:47.000 And I was like, no, I'm already the toughest fighter in the world.

00:43:50.000 Don't worry.

00:43:51.000 Don't worry about that.

00:43:52.000 And then my dad's like, BJ, just go once.

00:43:55.000 He keeps asking me.

00:43:56.000 And if you go, I'll tell him you don't like it.

00:43:57.000 So I went down.

00:43:58.000 I got choked out and I got arm locked.

00:44:01.000 And then I said, with this...

00:44:03.000 I could be the man in Hilo.

00:44:07.000 That's what I thought, you know?

00:44:09.000 But it was the coolest thing.

00:44:11.000 It's just a never-ending thing.

00:44:13.000 I don't train as much as I should now, to tell you the truth.

00:44:15.000 Now that I've been doing this journey going around the state, I don't train.

00:44:19.000 Maybe it would help you if you did.

00:44:21.000 I believe 100% because...

00:44:23.000 If you could just take the time, the extra time to train.

00:44:26.000 You know what?

00:44:27.000 I realized this woman came up to me and she said, BJ, thank you so much for this gym because we have the UFC gyms in Honolulu, BJ Penn UFC gyms.

00:44:37.000 And I go, no, thank you for being here.

00:44:39.000 And she says, no, you don't understand.

00:44:41.000 I'm 60 years old and for the first time in my life, I gave away my antidepressant medicine.

00:44:46.000 And that's when it hit me.

00:44:47.000 I said, that's what this is.

00:44:48.000 So I always say, working the body heals the mind.

00:44:51.000 And even before my father passed away, he'd had Parkinson's and he'd get depressed and stuff and start arguing with my mom.

00:44:59.000 I'd take him for a walk two blocks around the neighborhood.

00:45:02.000 We'd come back and he'd be right back in his routine.

00:45:06.000 Endorphins is God's antidepressant medicine.

00:45:09.000 It heals you.

00:45:12.000 Working the body heals the mind.

00:45:13.000 I'll always believe that.

00:45:15.000 I am firmly with you.

00:45:17.000 I think it can't be emphasized enough how valuable it is.

00:45:21.000 When I take just a few days off, like if I hurt something, and I say, I'll just take a couple days off, let everything recover, I always start getting sketchy.

00:45:29.000 Like, I don't feel as good.

00:45:31.000 And then I'll have one hard workout day, and then I'm like, I'm back.

00:45:35.000 I could be normal again.

00:45:37.000 I think a lot of people never know what normal feels like.

00:45:40.000 They never feel that.

00:45:41.000 They never get to that point where their body is in shape and relaxed and healthy and you just had a good workout.

00:45:47.000 That feeling is nice.

00:45:48.000 It's a nice feeling.

00:45:51.000 Faces like that.

00:45:53.000 And the fun thing about training is you're getting happy doing something that is a fun thing to do.

00:46:00.000 So you get really good at it, you work hard at it because it's also fun.

00:46:04.000 It's not just hard work, like jujitsu is fun.

00:46:08.000 And you get to think and have fun and outsmart the other guys.

00:46:11.000 The best video game ever.

00:46:14.000 Yeah, Eddie talks about it that way, too.

00:46:16.000 He said it's like a human video game.

00:46:17.000 It's funny, like, you're a guy who came up, like, when I was trying to explain to Eddie, Eddie knew he was good, but I don't think he totally knew how good he was.

00:46:27.000 And we always were giant fans of you. 0.98

00:46:30.000 And he was like, man, he was always like, God, BJ's a fucking prodigy. 0.99

00:46:34.000 BJ's a prodigy. 0.99

00:46:35.000 I go, dude, you're pretty fucking good, too. 0.83

00:46:38.000 I want you to understand, like, you do something special. 0.90

00:46:41.000 Like, your jujitsu's wild.

00:46:43.000 Like, you gotta understand, man, like, there's a lot of people that don't like the fact that you connect it all to weed, but that's on them. 0.97

00:46:50.000 You just look at your jujitsu itself, it's something fucking special. 0.96

00:46:54.000 It is. 0.97

00:46:54.000 And then, you know, he kind of realized it eventually. 0.97

00:46:58.000 He's definitely realized it after he tapped Hoyler.

00:47:00.000 Right?

00:47:00.000 Well, it's just those little talks and those, it's amazing the stuff that sticks with people.

00:47:06.000 Yeah, well, Eddie's just always been super creative.

00:47:10.000 If you tell him you can't go that way, he's like, why not?

00:47:13.000 Why can't I go that way?

00:47:15.000 Maybe I can figure out a way to go that way that you never figured out.

00:47:18.000 And then he'll figure out a way that might actually be better than the way we were all doing it before.

00:47:23.000 I was like, there's certain things that as jujitsu develops new counterattacks and new defense, you've got to let them go with higher level guys now. 0.97

00:47:32.000 Well, he invents these new paths and people are like, where the fuck is he going with this?

00:47:36.000 And then all of a sudden you're going to twist it. 0.96

00:47:38.000 And I remember watching this interview and this lady said, that's the problem with school. 0.95

00:47:43.000 They tell you that there's only one right answer.

00:47:46.000 There's thousands of right answers.

00:47:48.000 You can solve it a thousand different ways.

00:47:51.000 Yeah, there's a lot of different answers.

00:47:52.000 And I believe that.

00:47:53.000 Yeah, there definitely is.

00:47:54.000 There's all these different styles.

00:47:55.000 Some guys top heavy style, some guys bottom style, you know, a lot of guard work.

00:48:01.000 You can do it any way you want.

00:48:02.000 Just try to do it.

00:48:03.000 And it's amazing because now MMA is its own style.

00:48:08.000 And like you said, when I started, I got stand-up and I had jiu-jitsu and then I tried to learn wrestling.

00:48:15.000 So you can call that a mixed martial artist.

00:48:17.000 But now today, the guys are like, they'll go for your leg.

00:48:20.000 They miss.

00:48:20.000 They come with the elbow.

00:48:21.000 I started noticing that when I ended up in the ring with the newer guys.

00:48:25.000 And I was like...

00:48:26.000 Man, these guys are trying real hard.

00:48:29.000 Yeah, there's a lot of spinning elbows now.

00:48:32.000 Right?

00:48:33.000 I'm seeing a lot of spinning elbows these days.

00:48:36.000 Yeah, who would have ever thought?

00:48:39.000 We would have just wrote that off as a Disneyland technique.

00:48:42.000 Did you ever see Gaston Bolanos spinning elbow in Bellator?

00:48:46.000 No.

00:48:47.000 Oh, BJ. It might be the greatest spinning elbow of all time.

00:48:50.000 Really?

00:48:51.000 Yeah, because Gaston is a badass Muay Thai fighter.

00:48:53.000 Oh, wow.

00:48:54.000 Okay.

00:48:54.000 And he's now been fighting MMA for a few years, but he's known for his elbows.

00:49:00.000 He's known for his spinning elbow.

00:49:01.000 I saw that Pro Chaco one where he...

00:49:03.000 We did it to Reyes and Reyes being as high level as he was.

00:49:08.000 I saw the GIF on the internet a little while ago and I was like, that's pretty good.

00:49:15.000 That might be right up there with it.

00:49:17.000 Just because of the level of who Dominic Reyes is, right?

00:49:21.000 So what's going on with John?

00:49:23.000 He's coming back soon.

00:49:24.000 I want to see him.

00:49:25.000 I want to see him in there.

00:49:26.000 See if you can find that.

00:49:27.000 I think you got to think of the Yuri Prochaska fight.

00:49:30.000 Yeah, he's fighting Dominic Reyes who just had...

00:49:32.000 A great fight.

00:49:33.000 Yeah.

00:49:34.000 Here we go.

00:49:35.000 Oh.

00:49:36.000 That's one.

00:49:36.000 See, he's known for these spinning elbows.

00:49:39.000 So this is him doing it in...

00:49:41.000 This was in a kickboxing fight.

00:49:43.000 He did it in Bellator.

00:49:45.000 Oh, sorry.

00:49:46.000 Sorry, it's alright.

00:49:47.000 So this is, but you get to see the, like, he's known for it in Muay Thai.

00:49:51.000 And then he carries, watch this, boom!

00:49:53.000 I mean, for real.

00:49:54.000 One of the best spinning elbows of all time.

00:49:56.000 Watch this again.

00:49:57.000 I mean, that is filthy.

00:49:59.000 He did like a roll.

00:50:01.000 He did like a judo roll.

00:50:02.000 Yeah.

00:50:02.000 He was just out unconscious the moment it hit.

00:50:05.000 Look at that.

00:50:06.000 I mean, that is phenomenal.

00:50:09.000 Remember when we used to fight back in the day and we'd be like, you gotta get this guy to the ground as quick as possible.

00:50:16.000 Remember?

00:50:17.000 But there's no saying that anymore.

00:50:19.000 The fights just keep going up and down.

00:50:21.000 And you take guys down and they triangle you.

00:50:23.000 And you're like, this is incredible.

00:50:26.000 There's so many different guys are so talented now.

00:50:30.000 It's like the talent pool has never been greater.

00:50:33.000 There's so many talented guys.

00:50:34.000 100%.

00:50:34.000 Don't you think we need more weight classes?

00:50:39.000 I'm trying to talk you into it.

00:50:40.000 I like how I phrased that question.

00:50:42.000 If you're going to be governor, you can't let people be this sneaky.

00:50:45.000 They tell me, why aren't you running for mayor?

00:50:47.000 Why aren't you running for governor?

00:50:48.000 I said, the same reason that a lightweight fought heavyweight.

00:50:51.000 That's the same reason.

00:50:52.000 Jump right to the top.

00:50:54.000 No, but just to do something.

00:50:56.000 As far as weight classes go...

00:50:59.000 Yeah, I mean, it'll be a change because like we say, we love the past.

00:51:03.000 We love our golden era.

00:51:04.000 But if you're sitting here saying we need more weight classes and you're there every show and every day. 0.90

00:51:11.000 I think it'd be a pain in the ass for the UFC, but I think it'd be really good for the fighters. 0.89

00:51:15.000 I think they need more options. 0.98

00:51:16.000 I think every 10 pounds.

00:51:18.000 10 pounds is a lot.

00:51:19.000 10 pounds is a lot.

00:51:21.000 It's a lot.

00:51:21.000 Still, till today, I'm the only guy 55 and 70. Just because that weight difference is so big.

00:51:26.000 It's a crazy gap.

00:51:27.000 Yeah, that's a crazy one.

00:51:28.000 85 and 205 is another crazy gap.

00:51:30.000 It would be weird.

00:51:31.000 I mean, you'd think...

00:51:34.000 Because the champions get lost in everything going on anyway.

00:51:37.000 Would it be like boxing where there's so many champions you don't know of?

00:51:41.000 No, because boxing has too many.

00:51:43.000 But I think there's a comfortable medium.

00:51:45.000 Every 3 pound boxing.

00:51:46.000 I think it's 10 pounds.

00:51:48.000 That's what I'm thinking.

00:51:48.000 Every 10 pounds for MMA. And just go 60, 70. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:52.000 50, 60, 70. Yeah, something like that.

00:51:54.000 Or 55, 65, 75. That might be easier to do since we already have 85 and 205. So then we just put in a 195. 65, 75. Yeah.

00:52:03.000 And then you have more champs.

00:52:06.000 There's a lot of talented people out there.

00:52:09.000 Maybe there's a lot of guys that if they didn't have to cut that extra five pounds, they would be way better because they wouldn't be depleted.

00:52:16.000 That's the worst thing you could possibly do to your body before you're going to fight the toughest person you've ever fought in your whole life.

00:52:22.000 It's so crazy!

00:52:23.000 Then starve ourselves to death and then let's go fight the guy.

00:52:26.000 BJ, it's so illogical and it drives me crazy and it's one of those things that I think we're stuck with for no good reason.

00:52:32.000 It's a bad tradition.

00:52:33.000 How did it start?

00:52:34.000 How did the weigh-in tradition start from boxing?

00:52:37.000 Well, they did it in boxing for sure.

00:52:40.000 Guys cut weight in boxing.

00:52:41.000 Unfortunately, in boxing, they would cut weight and fight the day they weighed in, which is even worse.

00:52:45.000 But they don't do it like us, right?

00:52:46.000 Because remember when Mayweather fought McGregor?

00:52:50.000 Mayweather was on weight that day, and that was his real weight.

00:52:53.000 Yeah.

00:52:54.000 And McGregor was trying to cut 20 and put 20 back on. 0.99

00:52:57.000 That's just because Mayweather didn't give a fuck. 0.99

00:52:58.000 Do we just do it wrong? 0.99

00:52:59.000 No. 0.99

00:53:00.000 Mayweather just didn't give a fuck. 0.99

00:53:01.000 And the wrestler mentality that we have in MMA, a lot of mentalities came from a lot of different sports. 0.99

00:53:06.000 We have certain part has a boxing mentality.

00:53:08.000 Right.

00:53:09.000 Certain has a wrestling mentality with a cut weight type of thing.

00:53:11.000 Then you've got that jujitsu mentality mixed in there.

00:53:14.000 But was that a wrestling thing for us that's ingrained in us?

00:53:18.000 Like, hey, if you're going to cut weight, make sure you weigh 20 pounds over the next day.

00:53:22.000 Don't make that your real weight.

00:53:24.000 I think that definitely was prominent in wrestling, but it was prominent in boxing too.

00:53:29.000 Okay.

00:53:29.000 Remember when, wasn't that a part of, they thought, Dukku Kim when Boom Boom Mancini killed him?

00:53:35.000 They think part of that might have had to do with cutting weight for the day of the fight.

00:53:40.000 Because they would weigh in that day.

00:53:42.000 And then walk in the ring with no water in their brains. 0.99

00:53:45.000 And who knows what they knew about electrolytes and shit back then. 0.99

00:53:49.000 Imagine how thick the blood was. 0.99

00:53:51.000 I mean, you take out the water, you know, how thick that blood is just like pudding running through your heart.

00:53:57.000 Well, also, they think that people who are dehydrated, there's reason to believe they would be easier to knock out.

00:54:06.000 They would be more susceptible to concussions.

00:54:08.000 They would have less fluid in their head.

00:54:10.000 Right.

00:54:10.000 And if that's true, that's crazy that you're allowing people to do that 24 hours before a cage fight.

00:54:15.000 Yep.

00:54:16.000 That's crazy.

00:54:16.000 Yep.

00:54:18.000 That is crazy.

00:54:19.000 Do you know how 1FC does it?

00:54:20.000 They supposedly have some sort of hydration test.

00:54:23.000 Really?

00:54:24.000 They supposedly made people move up.

00:54:26.000 You can't cut lower.

00:54:27.000 Yeah.

00:54:28.000 Okay.

00:54:28.000 They supposedly weigh your body and determine how much water you have and then always make you stay within that water range of what a healthy weight is.

00:54:39.000 I think I might be getting this wrong.

00:54:41.000 But I think the point is, they do hydration tests, and you're not allowed to dehydrate yourself 24 hours.

00:54:47.000 You can't, like, some of these guys are caught in crazy weight.

00:54:50.000 There's always going to be somebody that thinks like that.

00:54:54.000 Like, if I cut weight, you know, and as you get older, I know for me personally, I wish I went up.

00:55:01.000 I wish I didn't go do that whole 145 thing. 0.97

00:55:03.000 It just emaciated me.

00:55:05.000 I had nothing.

00:55:06.000 Not only was I didn't have the hunger I had when I was a kid, but I didn't...

00:55:10.000 You just emaciate yourself down to nothing.

00:55:12.000 And you see fighters like James Toney, he goes the heavyweight and he wins a belt.

00:55:17.000 I think it is, as you get older, I think maybe it's a smarter thing to go up instead of down.

00:55:23.000 That's interesting.

00:55:25.000 Well, I think the problem really is just the weight cutting itself.

00:55:29.000 I think if we could eliminate that from the sport and make people fight at their natural weight.

00:55:34.000 As soon as they show up to the...

00:55:36.000 As soon as you sign your contract, your weight right there that day, that's okay, this is where you fight.

00:55:40.000 It's a bad culture because it doesn't make any sense.

00:55:44.000 If there's really this many fighters, because there's a lot now, there's so many fighters, so many talented fighters. 0.52

00:55:49.000 There's talented fighters that are introduced into the UFC all the time that I don't even know of, and then all of a sudden I see them, I'm like, God damn, this guy's good!

00:55:57.000 How long has he been fighting?

00:55:58.000 There's so many of those guys now.

00:56:00.000 Right.

00:56:02.000 I think there's plenty of room for other weight classes.

00:56:06.000 I think there's plenty of room.

00:56:08.000 And you know what?

00:56:10.000 You're more experienced in this sport than me at this point because you've sit there and watched it all and you've got to look at thousands of fighters in doing this.

00:56:18.000 And I'm with you.

00:56:19.000 I'm with you then.

00:56:20.000 Yep.

00:56:21.000 100%.

00:56:21.000 It just seems like it would be more opportunity for champions, more opportunity for guys to fight healthy, and if we could get everybody to fight at a natural weight and eliminate weight cutting and have all these different weight classes so they have options to choose from, and then get yourself into a healthy weight that you're really sustainable at, and that's the weight you fight at.

00:56:43.000 Fuck all this. 0.99

00:56:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:56:44.000 Get down, lose 15 pounds in 10 hours and then put it back in with an IV. Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:56:50.000 What are you doing? 0.99

00:56:51.000 And the IVs are actually banned.

00:56:52.000 And they banned the IVs.

00:56:55.000 Well, they said that the reason why you have to ban IVs, I guess, is because IVs...

00:56:59.000 They can hide drugs or something, right?

00:57:01.000 Yeah, you can flush it out of your system.

00:57:03.000 Yeah.

00:57:04.000 If you can, you could dilute your urine to the point where it doesn't, it's not detected because you're just getting the IV back.

00:57:09.000 That's what the bikers or whatever were doing, right? 0.98

00:57:13.000 Oh, dirty those bikers. 1.00

00:57:14.000 Bikers are the dirtiest! 1.00

00:57:15.000 The bikers. 0.98

00:57:16.000 Watch the bikers.

00:57:17.000 Isn't it crazy?

00:57:18.000 That is the dirtiest sport.

00:57:20.000 Right?

00:57:20.000 It's something like they have little motors in their thing without you knowing.

00:57:24.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:57:25.000 They're amazing.

00:57:26.000 Sneaky little motors in their bikes.

00:57:28.000 What's in humans to make us do that?

00:57:31.000 We just want to win?

00:57:32.000 Or do we like being tricky and not letting people know?

00:57:36.000 Which one?

00:57:37.000 What is it?

00:57:38.000 I think we're lucky that we're not bikers.

00:57:41.000 That's what I think.

00:57:42.000 I think...

00:57:42.000 That pursuit of just being the guy who pedals the hardest for the longest.

00:57:48.000 Because that's what it is.

00:57:49.000 Right?

00:57:49.000 It's like everybody can ride a bike.

00:57:51.000 Everybody can steer a bike.

00:57:52.000 It's not about like precision steering. 0.97

00:57:54.000 It's about who can fucking go harder for longer. 0.97

00:57:57.000 So it's all just mind demons. 0.99

00:58:00.000 Just pushing these guys.

00:58:01.000 Right?

00:58:02.000 Mind demons.

00:58:03.000 You're right. 0.99

00:58:04.000 And this guy's pumping, and you're trying to fucking go, and you're getting blood transfusion, and they're shooting you up with tests, and you're fucking... 0.99

00:58:12.000 And you're doing it for days, BJ. It's true. 0.99

00:58:16.000 Days.

00:58:17.000 Mind demons.

00:58:19.000 That's all in their mind.

00:58:20.000 Right?

00:58:21.000 The game's all in the mind.

00:58:22.000 The whole thing.

00:58:23.000 It's all...

00:58:23.000 How hard do you pedal?

00:58:25.000 You back off if you want.

00:58:26.000 If you don't want that jacket, You don't want to be a champion?

00:58:29.000 Let's take a break.

00:58:31.000 Let's relax.

00:58:32.000 Imagine how much time they mess with him and do all that stuff. 0.89

00:58:36.000 That's how you get a guy like Lance Armstrong.

00:58:38.000 That's how you get a guy like that.

00:58:39.000 That guy's the champion of the mind demons. 0.99

00:58:43.000 He knows how to fucking ride it out and go harder and faster and longer. 0.96

00:58:47.000 Harder and just imagine that lactic acid in the legs and you're just going it's such a dishonest Conversation when that guy got get gets in trouble for it because like yes, he should he definitely As least according to him took some stuff still everybody was taking some stuff and he beat them all He beat them all. 0.98

00:59:08.000 And he beat them all for years. 0.99

00:59:10.000 They were all doing crazy shit. 1.00

00:59:12.000 Did he come on and say that they were all doing, everybody was on it? 0.99

00:59:16.000 BJ, they found that when they went back to try to find people with Lance that competed with him that never tested positive.

00:59:24.000 It's impossible.

00:59:25.000 They had to go back to 18th place.

00:59:28.000 And that guy's probably just got that urine. 1.00

00:59:31.000 He probably has that fucking bag of urine and, you know, took a giant IV and flushed it out of his system. 1.00

00:59:39.000 That is funny. 1.00

00:59:40.000 I think there's just a lot of money in winning the Tour de France.

00:59:43.000 And when there's a lot of money and you're dealing with some shady characters, they're going, listen, I got a guy.

00:59:50.000 And in MMA, what I noticed, because...

00:59:54.000 You know, I realize that people will admit that they cheated on their wife before they say that they didn't compete fair.

01:00:02.000 Yeah, I know.

01:00:03.000 You know, it's just it is what it is.

01:00:04.000 Well, in your era, to be fair, you were one of the only guys that was adamant about that. 0.99

01:00:09.000 A lot of people just shut the fuck up. 0.99

01:00:11.000 And still till today, I say, I'm the only guy, 155 and 170 that got both belts, but if you want to add this into the rankings, I really didn't do that stuff, you know what I mean? 0.98

01:00:24.000 I always say that.

01:00:25.000 No, you really didn't.

01:00:27.000 And then I remember, because I didn't even, USADA just came and we were going to take in a glutathione IV.

01:00:37.000 I never take IVs anyway, but I was like, "Okay, okay, I'll take it." And then I told Usaroya I took an IV and then they busted me for it because I think they just wanted to show that they had teeth or whatever.

01:00:47.000 But I'm really one of the only guys who didn't, you know what I mean?

01:00:50.000 So just using any kind of an IV? Yeah.

01:00:54.000 Why did you want glutathione?

01:00:55.000 Yeah, no.

01:00:56.000 We were just at a place.

01:00:57.000 Were you partying?

01:00:58.000 No, no.

01:00:59.000 We were at a...

01:01:00.000 They were doing...

01:01:02.000 What's that?

01:01:03.000 Where they take all your blood and they see what you're allergic to for the food.

01:01:06.000 That's why we were there.

01:01:07.000 And the guys just kept talking to me, too.

01:01:09.000 And I'm just like, okay, whatever.

01:01:10.000 Go ahead.

01:01:10.000 They kept talking to me, too.

01:01:12.000 Of course, you're not going to feel...

01:01:13.000 So he just talks you into a glutathione drip?

01:01:15.000 Yeah.

01:01:16.000 You know how when you're in some place, right?

01:01:18.000 They just...

01:01:19.000 Glutathione, I think it's an antioxidant, but one of the things that I know it for is alcohol.

01:01:25.000 It helps your body process alcohol better.

01:01:27.000 Oh, really?

01:01:28.000 Yeah.

01:01:28.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:01:29.000 Yeah, there's a type of it that a lot of people take that are into this stuff, like doctors that know a lot about how to mitigate hangovers and shit. 0.92

01:01:38.000 It's liposomal glutathione, I think is what it's called. 0.50

01:01:42.000 Okay.

01:01:44.000 Apparently, glutathione in the IV form, the way you took it, though, is the best way.

01:01:47.000 That's the best way to get it.

01:01:49.000 Most people that do that on a regular basis say it helps them, like people who party.

01:01:53.000 Okay.

01:01:53.000 Helps your party process.

01:01:55.000 But I was just surprised.

01:01:56.000 I'm like, what?

01:01:56.000 I'm the guy that we saw that was tagging.

01:01:59.000 I really didn't even mess around ever.

01:02:02.000 Well, they were very strict, but I guess it changed a lot of things.

01:02:06.000 Now you don't even know who got busted, right?

01:02:09.000 Don't they have to change so they don't crash the pay-per-views or whatever?

01:02:12.000 Now they just...

01:02:13.000 Oh, is that true?

01:02:13.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:02:14.000 I don't know if that's true.

01:02:15.000 Because I haven't really heard any...

01:02:17.000 When was the last time a fight got canceled because someone tested positive?

01:02:20.000 That's a good question.

01:02:22.000 That's a good question.

01:02:23.000 Like, when was the last time a big fight got canceled because someone tested positive?

01:02:27.000 Right?

01:02:29.000 That's interesting.

01:02:30.000 Because whatever... 0.98

01:02:31.000 I mean, the thing is, like, will we find out in five years that they were doing some shit and nobody knew about it, you know? 0.98

01:02:38.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

01:02:39.000 Because in your day, in your era, how many guys were doing steroids?

01:02:43.000 It was rampant.

01:02:44.000 Yeah.

01:02:45.000 Like, everybody knew it.

01:02:46.000 Yeah.

01:02:46.000 And I think about that.

01:02:49.000 I wonder, like, should I have done something to keep my career going, but...

01:02:54.000 It's just more of everything.

01:02:56.000 You would have been more training, more getting beat up in the ring more.

01:03:01.000 I'm just glad.

01:03:02.000 I'm at peace with everything.

01:03:04.000 It's hard to walk away from a career, but I really am at peace.

01:03:07.000 That's good, man.

01:03:08.000 That's good because there's going to be other chapters in your life.

01:03:11.000 If you don't let it go now, I mean, what are you going to let it go when you're 60?

01:03:14.000 Let it go when you're 70?

01:03:15.000 Right?

01:03:16.000 Evander Holyfield just had a fight, man.

01:03:19.000 He fought Vitor.

01:03:22.000 Evander Holyfield's almost 60 years old.

01:03:25.000 That's crazy.

01:03:27.000 Mike Tyson just...

01:03:29.000 The Mike Tyson-Roy Jones Jr. fight, though, at least...

01:03:34.000 Nobody got hurt.

01:03:35.000 Yeah.

01:03:36.000 That was a good thing.

01:03:36.000 That was the key.

01:03:37.000 That was a good thing.

01:03:38.000 For Thriller and for them to make more shows after.

01:03:41.000 I was thinking if they said that, hey, let's make sure not to crash this whole promotion in one.

01:03:46.000 We can't have a 60-year-old guy be carried out of here. 1.00

01:03:49.000 Yeah.

01:03:50.000 Jesus Christ.

01:03:52.000 But he looked good though.

01:03:54.000 Mike looked real good.

01:03:54.000 I think they were moving towards one day, there was talk at least of a Mike versus Evander rematch.

01:04:01.000 Yeah, but then the Belfort thing slowed that down.

01:04:04.000 But Belfort?

01:04:06.000 How old is Vitor?

01:04:08.000 He's my age at least, right?

01:04:09.000 He's 43. Is he?

01:04:11.000 Yeah.

01:04:12.000 That seems old when you compare him to a young, young guy.

01:04:16.000 But when you compare him to a dude who's almost 60. Yeah.

01:04:19.000 And Vitor is still very fucking dangerous. 0.99

01:04:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:04:22.000 Very fast. 0.99

01:04:23.000 And that's what's amazing about Randy Couture, you know?

01:04:27.000 Yeah.

01:04:29.000 That's what's amazing about him.

01:04:31.000 How about when Randy dropped Tim Sylvia?

01:04:33.000 That inside low kick?

01:04:34.000 Oh, that was the greatest fight I've ever saw.

01:04:36.000 Boom! 0.99

01:04:36.000 You're like, what? 0.99

01:04:37.000 That was like the greatest fight I've ever saw for a guy to come back and get that belt.

01:04:42.000 And Tim was so big.

01:04:43.000 Tim was a giant.

01:04:45.000 He was a huge guy.

01:04:47.000 Remember when he knocked out Rico?

01:04:48.000 With his belt everywhere?

01:04:50.000 Yeah.

01:04:51.000 And he could Rico good.

01:04:52.000 Oh my God.

01:04:53.000 That Tim Sylvia.

01:04:54.000 See, again, you talk about a guy when he's at his prime.

01:04:57.000 At his prime.

01:04:57.000 You've got to remember him.

01:04:58.000 Go Tim Sylvia versus Rico Rodriguez.

01:05:01.000 Or Gan McGee, even.

01:05:03.000 Yeah, Gan McGee's a good one, too.

01:05:05.000 He's tough.

01:05:05.000 He was huge.

01:05:05.000 He was so jacked back then, too.

01:05:08.000 Like, people thought of Tim Sylvia.

01:05:10.000 They always gave him a hard time for being flabby.

01:05:13.000 But, you know, there was times where whatever commissions...

01:05:19.000 We'd catch him.

01:05:21.000 I don't know if you ever got busted for anything, but there was a lot of people taking some stuff.

01:05:25.000 Let's just say.

01:05:26.000 They looked a lot different back then.

01:05:28.000 But the thing is, the whole environment was that.

01:05:31.000 Everybody was doing that.

01:05:32.000 So I'm not saying that he did it, but I'm saying he looked like he did it.

01:05:36.000 I think he got busted a couple of times.

01:05:39.000 I think he might have.

01:05:40.000 But my point is, you've got to remember him From this fight.

01:05:47.000 That's a pretty good armbar.

01:05:49.000 I don't remember that.

01:05:50.000 Against Rico.

01:05:51.000 Right?

01:05:51.000 Yeah, and he pulls right out of it.

01:05:53.000 You've got to remember this Tim Sylvia. 0.98

01:05:55.000 This Tim Sylvia was fucking dangerous. 0.99

01:05:57.000 Yes. 0.99

01:05:57.000 He was a big boy with big power. 0.99

01:06:00.000 Look at that.

01:06:01.000 One punch.

01:06:02.000 Dude.

01:06:02.000 Look at that.

01:06:03.000 I mean, he fucked Rico up in this fight. 0.99

01:06:06.000 Look at him. 0.99

01:06:07.000 That was a crazy knockout. 1.00

01:06:09.000 And Rico was a dangerous man, too.

01:06:12.000 Rico was good.

01:06:13.000 Rico called me the other day.

01:06:14.000 We talked a lot too long ago.

01:06:16.000 Rico was fantastic.

01:06:18.000 He was Machado.

01:06:20.000 Machado, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt. 1.00

01:06:21.000 Yeah, Rico was a bad motherfucker, dude. 0.99

01:06:23.000 Telegman, I remember Telegman. 1.00

01:06:25.000 Didn't Rico beat Randy?

01:06:27.000 Rico, that's how he got his belt.

01:06:29.000 Exactly.

01:06:29.000 He might have even took him down towards the end, got on top of him.

01:06:32.000 How did that fight go down?

01:06:35.000 I'm trying to remember how that fight, how do I not remember that fight?

01:06:38.000 It was back and forth and I think Rico finally took Randy down, got his legs.

01:06:43.000 And I remember Randy and Tito.

01:06:45.000 That was a great...

01:06:46.000 Tito's coming down.

01:06:47.000 He's going to help me with one of my fundraisers.

01:06:49.000 He's going to be one of the featured speakers.

01:06:51.000 All right.

01:06:51.000 Because he ran.

01:06:52.000 Make sure you put that online.

01:06:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:54.000 That's going to be fun.

01:06:56.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:06:57.000 That's beautiful.

01:06:58.000 Yeah, so he's all for it.

01:07:00.000 So do you...

01:07:01.000 How are you doing this?

01:07:02.000 Do you have to raise money for your campaign?

01:07:05.000 Do you...

01:07:06.000 A big part...

01:07:08.000 So just getting into it, you know, I... I knew...

01:07:15.000 I wanted to help.

01:07:18.000 I wanted to come out and help.

01:07:19.000 And I knew they went too far.

01:07:20.000 They tried to lock everybody down on their island.

01:07:22.000 You couldn't leave certain islands.

01:07:24.000 They were trying to do that on the airplanes.

01:07:26.000 And I knew I'm not...

01:07:29.000 I knew my record's not perfect and clean.

01:07:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:33.000 And I'm like, do I really want to get into all this stuff?

01:07:35.000 And I'm just like, I gotta do it.

01:07:38.000 I gotta do it for my kids.

01:07:39.000 And I always say...

01:07:41.000 I don't want my kids to be older and say, Dad, you fought in the octagon for 20 years, but you didn't do nothing about this.

01:07:47.000 You didn't do nothing when they were closing our businesses, when they were doing all this stuff.

01:07:52.000 And that's kind of what pushed me out.

01:07:56.000 I like to say, my strength is my strength.

01:07:59.000 They're going to come and they're going to keep mudslinging and just keep throwing stuff at me. 0.98

01:08:04.000 You know, I hear they're doing it.

01:08:06.000 They've already tried a bunch of things.

01:08:08.000 I hear they're going to, you know, old girlfriends now and trying to get pictures or do whatever they can.

01:08:15.000 But, you know, that's not going to deter me from wanting to fight for the people.

01:08:20.000 That's not going to deter me from wanting to fight for my children and all of these things.

01:08:25.000 And that's how I got into this.

01:08:30.000 I know it'd be a lot cheaper and a lot less painful to just go do it some other way, you know what I mean?

01:08:38.000 But here we are and I'm in it.

01:08:42.000 It is nerve-wracking sometimes because this isn't my game.

01:08:47.000 I'm a fighter, you know?

01:08:50.000 But one thing I know is I know Hawaii.

01:08:53.000 Born and raised there.

01:08:55.000 Been there this whole time.

01:08:56.000 I saw Hawaii.

01:08:57.000 My friends, my cousins, my best friends move away because their parents just can't cut it on the islands.

01:09:04.000 It's just too expensive.

01:09:06.000 And I see the different problems.

01:09:09.000 I want our people to stay in Hawaii and I want us to have jobs. 0.95

01:09:14.000 Look, we're all in the center.

01:09:16.000 Let's just tell the truth.

01:09:17.000 We're all in the center. 0.98

01:09:18.000 There's some crazy people on both sides. 0.74

01:09:20.000 We're all in the center.

01:09:21.000 We just want good jobs, good businesses, and we want our kids taken care of.

01:09:26.000 We want our kids to get a good education.

01:09:28.000 That's all we want. 0.99

01:09:29.000 Everything else is bullshit. 1.00

01:09:31.000 We're all right here. 0.93

01:09:32.000 Most people, the vast majority of people are good people that just want to be left alone, want to be able to prosper, want good healthcare available, good education available, want their children to have a potential for a good future.

01:09:47.000 That's what everybody wants.

01:09:49.000 I'm not here to cut everybody's programs.

01:09:51.000 I'm not here to do anything psycho on any side.

01:09:54.000 We just want to keep living our lives.

01:09:56.000 We want to keep our people here.

01:09:58.000 Let me ask you this, PJ. If this magically happened...

01:10:02.000 How much time have you thought about the actual job itself and what you would do if you got into office?

01:10:10.000 What would be a thing that you would want to really establish very quickly?

01:10:18.000 The first thing they say, the Republicans and the Democrats, I'm an outsider.

01:10:22.000 I'm not part of either establishment.

01:10:24.000 They'll come up and they'll give me problems.

01:10:26.000 Are you running as an independent?

01:10:28.000 They don't have an independent party in Hawaii because no one's made one.

01:10:31.000 There's Libertarian, there's Aloha Aina, there's these different parties.

01:10:35.000 And it was a tough decision to what I was going to run because...

01:10:39.000 The Democrat is just so strong.

01:10:42.000 47 of the 51 House Representatives are Democrat.

01:10:45.000 24 of the 25 state Senate members are Democrat.

01:10:48.000 Our two state Senators, our two Congressmen, our Lieutenant Governor and our Governor, it's a one-party establishment right now.

01:10:56.000 And absolute power corrupts absolutely.

01:11:00.000 And I was thinking about running as a Democrat, just with my same values of freedom, economy and education.

01:11:09.000 But here I am.

01:11:10.000 You know, here I am.

01:11:11.000 I'm running for the Republican Party.

01:11:14.000 And, you know, hey, it's going to be a wild ride, Joe.

01:11:17.000 This is fun.

01:11:18.000 This is fun.

01:11:19.000 Hey, they're coming after me.

01:11:21.000 So how did you decide to become a Republican rather than an Independent?

01:11:26.000 Or rather than one of those other parties?

01:11:28.000 Yeah.

01:11:30.000 Libertarian and all that.

01:11:30.000 That was too much.

01:11:31.000 I mean, my mother was in the Republican Party and always helped out with them and did different things.

01:11:39.000 And, I mean, right now, as far as, you know, just everything going on, I mean, you know, it seems like the Republicans are trying to keep things to, I don't know, I think a lot of times, I think, was the 80s the height of civilization?

01:11:55.000 Everything seems so normal back then.

01:11:57.000 Hey man, I really genuinely wonder what it would be like if, how much different, if at all, it would be like if a Republican was president or if a Democrat was president.

01:12:06.000 I really wonder, like, what...

01:12:08.000 What causes things to go so sideways?

01:12:12.000 What influences are making government go one way or another?

01:12:17.000 To put emphasis into one thing or another thing?

01:12:21.000 And to not recognize the complaints of the people, to not recognize when people don't like the direction that things are going.

01:12:30.000 It's like it happens on both sides.

01:12:33.000 When George Bush was president, people were mad.

01:12:37.000 People were always mad.

01:12:38.000 I got into this because...

01:12:42.000 A buddy of mine that was a federal senator from Hawaii, he was pushing for that passport to step on the plane and going to kind of landlock everybody on their island.

01:12:52.000 And I told him, I said, what's going to happen if you pass this?

01:12:55.000 Why are you supporting this?

01:12:56.000 And he said, he goes, you're just going to have to listen.

01:12:59.000 And then that's when I said, oh yeah, you're just going to have to listen.

01:13:02.000 Because these guys forgot that they work for us.

01:13:04.000 You know, that's why they're there.

01:13:05.000 That was his actual answer.

01:13:06.000 Yeah, you're just going to have to listen.

01:13:09.000 And that's going to have to listen.

01:13:10.000 And so then and I say this when I go around.

01:13:13.000 So my father's dying on December 30th in the hospital.

01:13:15.000 I'm not vaccinated.

01:13:16.000 So I can't walk in and see him.

01:13:18.000 And I'm just going to have to listen.

01:13:20.000 I'm trying to leave my business open so I can feed my children.

01:13:23.000 But I got to close my businesses and I'm just going to have to listen.

01:13:27.000 And that's that's what finally made me stand up.

01:13:29.000 And I said, act like King Kamehameha, act like George Washington, act like somebody fighting for us.

01:13:36.000 And then my brother whispers in my ear, he's never been in a fight in his life.

01:13:40.000 And I said, well, I'll just do this myself then.

01:13:43.000 That's exactly how it started.

01:13:45.000 And it's true. 0.56

01:13:45.000 I don't want my kids saying, my kids or any other kids, yeah, Uncle BJ, you know, you fought your whole life. 0.56

01:13:51.000 Why didn't you go fight these guys?

01:13:53.000 And so I'm here.

01:13:54.000 I'm here to...

01:13:55.000 Whenever a government grabs additional powers, whenever they start being able to impose additional restrictions on people because of, like, this health crisis, they don't give those back.

01:14:10.000 They don't want to give those back.

01:14:11.000 No.

01:14:11.000 They don't want to give those back.

01:14:12.000 And you know, it's easy when fighting for individual rights when it's popular is one thing, but fighting for them when it's not popular is a total different animal.

01:14:23.000 When your best friend's girlfriend's sticking you the finger over the table and you're like, hey, I don't like what you're saying, but I'll fight for you to have the right to say it, you know?

01:14:32.000 But that's, it's just, how did they start taking things?

01:14:35.000 I don't like smoking.

01:14:37.000 I hate cigarettes.

01:14:38.000 I hate being around them.

01:14:39.000 But they walk in and then they start taking the cigarettes from people and then they look.

01:14:43.000 And nobody said anything because it ain't popular to stand up and say, hey, let them.

01:14:46.000 If a bar wants to put cigarettes in the bar, let them do it or whatever. 1.00

01:14:50.000 And that's how they just start stripping. 0.91

01:14:52.000 And even with TSA, God bless them for all the jobs that they create.

01:14:58.000 You know, but that's another thing.

01:14:59.000 That was a George Bush type thing that, you know, they put these things.

01:15:03.000 They don't give them back when they start to do stuff for us.

01:15:06.000 No, there used to be a time where you could just get on a plane.

01:15:08.000 Yeah, when you could just get, you know, there's a policeman there and you just walk through that same family x-ray or whatever and you put your bag through.

01:15:15.000 But now you got to take off your shoes.

01:15:16.000 Now they got to pat you down.

01:15:18.000 Now they do all this stuff.

01:15:20.000 You know what?

01:15:21.000 There was times when you just, you could walk into a courtroom where all the criminals are, and much easier than you could get on a plane.

01:15:31.000 Yeah, you used to be able to get on a plane with other people's tickets.

01:15:34.000 Like, you could give me a ticket, and I could go on a plane with your ticket.

01:15:37.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:15:38.000 Remember those days?

01:15:39.000 Yeah, no, yeah, it was, it was.

01:15:42.000 I mean...

01:15:42.000 Yeah, the ability to keep track of people now.

01:15:47.000 They monetize that.

01:15:49.000 Yeah, they can corral people up and that's where it gets scary.

01:15:51.000 And some people are recognizing that from the pandemic and some people just get so political they can't see that it's a human behavior pattern.

01:15:58.000 It's a human behavior pattern that folks that are in control of other people exercise.

01:16:04.000 They tell people what to do and then that's what they like to do.

01:16:07.000 They like to tell people what to do.

01:16:09.000 And they might be right about some of it.

01:16:12.000 They might be wrong, but they want you to just listen.

01:16:15.000 You're just going to have to listen.

01:16:16.000 Thank you.

01:16:18.000 That's exactly.

01:16:19.000 You're just going to have to listen to this.

01:16:20.000 That's crazy.

01:16:21.000 When he said that to you, that's crazy. 0.97

01:16:23.000 That's how a crazy person talks. 0.60

01:16:24.000 They listen to us. 0.64

01:16:25.000 They work for us.

01:16:27.000 You're just going to have to listen is like a line in a bad movie.

01:16:31.000 Right?

01:16:32.000 You know, the jail guard.

01:16:33.000 Why am I in here?

01:16:34.000 You're just going to have to listen.

01:16:36.000 Like, what?

01:16:37.000 I can't believe this.

01:16:38.000 That's what it's like. 0.99

01:16:39.000 That's a stupid thing to say, but it's not uncommon amongst people that achieve a position of power like that. 0.99

01:16:46.000 There's a very intoxicating thing about a man in particular, but sometimes a lot of women, sometimes women. 0.99

01:16:53.000 You know, they get into a position of, like, extreme power, and they like to exercise it over folks.

01:16:58.000 They enjoy making mandates and placing rules on things, and, you know, you have to have this far away from that, and you have to...

01:17:05.000 They'll decide what time liquor stores are allowed to be open, or what time this is about, like, the bar must close by 2 a.m., even if it's not near anything.

01:17:14.000 And that stuff is contagious.

01:17:16.000 I mean, you could tell your gym manager and workers, hey, don't police this.

01:17:22.000 This is wrong.

01:17:23.000 They just made a new definition for fully vaccinated.

01:17:26.000 Stop policing the passports.

01:17:27.000 Don't police the mask.

01:17:29.000 And then they'll keep saying, hey, they'll keep policing it because that's their political party.

01:17:34.000 And it's just contagious that way all the way around.

01:17:37.000 You know how we know it doesn't work?

01:17:38.000 Vegas.

01:17:39.000 Because in Vegas you could just drink at 5 in the morning, 3 in the morning, 1 in the morning.

01:17:44.000 It doesn't matter. 0.99

01:17:45.000 You could always do whatever the fuck you want. 0.99

01:17:46.000 Nobody cares. 0.99

01:17:47.000 Nobody cares.

01:17:48.000 But eventually people settle into a healthy schedule.

01:17:52.000 You don't just stay up drinking just because the bars are always open, just like you don't go into them in the middle of the day either.

01:17:58.000 Exactly.

01:17:58.000 It's like you find, like, there doesn't need a regulation for that.

01:18:02.000 The less regulations, the better.

01:18:04.000 You want to stay open?

01:18:05.000 You want to serve beer at 5 in the morning?

01:18:07.000 Serve beer at 5 in the morning? 1.00

01:18:08.000 Who gives a fuck? 1.00

01:18:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:18:09.000 What, is there a magic time where you can't serve beer anymore? 0.99

01:18:12.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

01:18:12.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:18:13.000 Don't drive drunk ever. 0.99

01:18:14.000 And serve you whatever the fuck you want. 1.00

01:18:16.000 This is stupid. 1.00

01:18:17.000 What are we growing adults here? 1.00

01:18:18.000 And everybody asks me, so what are you going to do when you get in?

01:18:21.000 Nobody's with you.

01:18:21.000 None of the legislature is with you.

01:18:23.000 I go, I'll tell you exactly what I'm going to do.

01:18:25.000 I'm going to walk right into the Department of Health.

01:18:27.000 And I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

01:18:29.000 Maybe they were confused.

01:18:30.000 Maybe they weren't thinking in their right minds.

01:18:32.000 Maybe they were scared.

01:18:33.000 But we're going to go fix the Department of Health.

01:18:35.000 We're going to put all the right people in.

01:18:37.000 Or maybe they can work with us.

01:18:38.000 Then we're going to go to the Department of Education.

01:18:40.000 I don't have to go to the legislature to go to these different departments because who's the boogeyman when you say, okay, put a big sign on the front of your building that says you're not going to police the passports and the masks.

01:18:53.000 Oh, no, I don't want the Department of Health coming down.

01:18:55.000 Well, I'm going to go take care of the Department of Health.

01:18:57.000 Oh, they're shutting down these hunting lands.

01:19:00.000 I don't want to walk in there.

01:19:01.000 Well, I'm going to go to the Department of Land and Natural Resources.

01:19:04.000 I'm going to go in all these departments, and we're going to make big changes.

01:19:08.000 We'll give the people the benefit of the doubt.

01:19:10.000 Maybe they made a mistake.

01:19:12.000 Maybe they're still masking the children in Hawaii because they made a mistake.

01:19:17.000 So when I get there, I'm going to go in the Department of Education, I'm going to go in the Department of Health, and I'm going to go take care of all of these things.

01:19:23.000 And I'm not going to talk to the legislature to do it.

01:19:26.000 That's my area.

01:19:27.000 And is this all the way you're allowed to pursue these things?

01:19:31.000 Is there a protocol that you're supposed to follow?

01:19:33.000 I'm sure there's protocols and we're going to have a lot of lawyers with us.

01:19:37.000 And, you know, like I said, it's going to be a big team.

01:19:39.000 It's going to be a big team of people.

01:19:41.000 I'm not here...

01:19:44.000 I say, join the fight.

01:19:45.000 If I was 20, I would say, let me fight for you.

01:19:48.000 And I'm going to have to fight for you while you guys are sleeping.

01:19:51.000 But just join the fight.

01:19:53.000 We're not here for the office.

01:19:55.000 We're here for the people.

01:19:56.000 We're here for our freedoms and we're here for our businesses.

01:19:58.000 That's why we're here.

01:20:00.000 And...

01:20:01.000 I was so enthusiastic about this, and I said, people say, don't talk about it, but I said, no, I'm not here to take the people's money.

01:20:11.000 You know, the money that comes in from the government, I want to put it to programs, and I want to make this...

01:20:17.000 I want to make this governor's administration as powerful as it can possibly be.

01:20:26.000 It's about holding on to that power too.

01:20:28.000 I've only planned to run for one term because I'm not here to be.

01:20:33.000 I want to be with the people.

01:20:35.000 The mana is with the people.

01:20:36.000 We have the power.

01:20:37.000 I want to be with the people.

01:20:39.000 I'm only planning on going in for one term.

01:20:42.000 Can I ask you this though?

01:20:43.000 What if you don't accomplish everything you want to get done in one term?

01:20:46.000 What if it's more difficult to get through the maze of bureaucracy?

01:20:49.000 I'm here to work with...

01:20:51.000 I want a strong lieutenant governor. 0.98

01:20:55.000 I have the lieutenant governors that I see that are coming in.

01:20:58.000 I want to work well with everybody and endorse who I have to.

01:21:01.000 If the people need me and they say, Let's do it.

01:21:05.000 We need you one more time.

01:21:06.000 Of course I'm going to come and stand up for the people.

01:21:09.000 And that's why I have no problem even doing this in the first place.

01:21:12.000 I would have never had the life that I had if the people of Hawaii didn't support me the way they did.

01:21:17.000 I would have never got to this success and all of these things.

01:21:21.000 I didn't win every fight.

01:21:22.000 I would come home with my face beaten and battered and the people of Hawaii would say...

01:21:28.000 Hey, you gotta fight again, BJ. You can do it.

01:21:31.000 You're our hero.

01:21:32.000 Come on.

01:21:33.000 Let's show them.

01:21:34.000 You can show all the kids.

01:21:35.000 Show everybody.

01:21:36.000 We can...

01:21:37.000 Don't mess with Hawaiians, you know? 1.00

01:21:38.000 We can do this.

01:21:39.000 And they've always stood behind me.

01:21:41.000 And I got no problem doing this for them.

01:21:43.000 And it's for our children and for everybody.

01:21:45.000 So I'm just...

01:21:46.000 You know, I'm in.

01:21:47.000 And they're gonna keep coming after me.

01:21:49.000 They're gonna keep throwing whatever they can at me.

01:21:52.000 And let's go.

01:21:53.000 Let's go.

01:21:54.000 BJ, you gotta get together with Jerry...

01:21:56.000 With Jesse Ventura.

01:21:59.000 Yes, I need to talk to you.

01:22:01.000 I had him in mind, Jesse the body.

01:22:04.000 And Hawaii's got so many different problems with our housing problem, our energy problems, now everything with the gas.

01:22:10.000 And I really want to invite Elon Musk to come over and see if he could help us with Hawaii because it's a landlocked state and everything comes in off the boat and you got everybody talking about the Jones Act.

01:22:24.000 Do you know what the Jones Act is?

01:22:25.000 this.

01:22:25.000 No, it's a that's an act that makes all international boats go to California first before they come to Hawaii.

01:22:32.000 They can't just come to Hawaii.

01:22:33.000 This was made back when Hawaii was a territory.

01:22:35.000 So all kinds That sounds so inefficient.

01:22:45.000 You know, Hawaii is the most unionized state, but our families all work in those unions.

01:22:50.000 We're all together, so we all have to figure out how to update all of these different things and make them work properly.

01:22:56.000 Do we just bring the boats from—do we build our docks bigger so they can take international boats, but just have our unions be the ones to take— To take all the stuff off their boat so our unions still control the docks and not international people controlling our docks.

01:23:13.000 Because of course we want our people from home. 1.00

01:23:14.000 Those are our cousins.

01:23:16.000 Those are our family.

01:23:17.000 You hear all kinds of different stuff from the big things in Hawaii right now.

01:23:24.000 The housing, the rising cost of living.

01:23:27.000 The education and the rising cost of living is what's killing everybody right now.

01:23:35.000 And we have no self-sustainability.

01:23:39.000 You know how big the Big Island is.

01:23:41.000 I believe we could do the right thing.

01:23:43.000 From Wailuku River to Waipio Valley, that's 50 miles of water and farmland.

01:23:49.000 And they're talking about growing 100 million trees for the climate.

01:23:52.000 I'm saying every tree better have fruit on it then.

01:23:55.000 Every tree better have food on it.

01:23:57.000 You know...

01:23:59.000 We're stuck dependent on a boat coming in and out.

01:24:03.000 And even more, we have to protect our waters.

01:24:06.000 You know, all the water is held in perpetuity to the people of Hawaii, but we almost need to go one step further and make it a national treasure.

01:24:15.000 I didn't say a federal treasure.

01:24:16.000 I said a national treasure to the people where you can't just start diverting waters and doing all these things.

01:24:21.000 I mean, you take half the water from a stream coming down, you kill half the life that was around in that stream.

01:24:29.000 Things that I've seen growing up and that we have to think about are sustainability.

01:24:35.000 Sustain is you're staying in the same place.

01:24:39.000 We need to thrive.

01:24:40.000 We need to move forward.

01:24:42.000 The airplanes come in full.

01:24:43.000 They drop everything off and they go back empty.

01:24:46.000 Why?

01:24:47.000 Why?

01:24:48.000 Why does that happen?

01:24:49.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:24:51.000 How much change would have to be done for Hawaii to be completely self-sustainable?

01:24:57.000 Like, what kind of industries would you have to put there where you never have to get anything off of a boat?

01:25:02.000 Is that even possible?

01:25:04.000 Well, I don't know what we would have to figure out what we're going to do with petroleum, but that's why I want to talk to people like Like Elon, you know, that's why I want people who know different things.

01:25:16.000 You got a lot of sun, but I think solar in its current form.

01:25:18.000 We got a lot of sun.

01:25:20.000 I think solar in its current form is great, but I don't think it's really capable of running a whole city yet.

01:25:28.000 I don't know what we have out there.

01:25:33.000 Figure out, I mean, the gas is expensive.

01:25:35.000 The gas is expensive in Hilo.

01:25:38.000 Yeah, gas is expensive everywhere.

01:25:40.000 It's weird.

01:25:42.000 I've never been able to understand that.

01:25:44.000 Right?

01:25:44.000 Did the oil disappear overnight?

01:25:46.000 Where did it go?

01:25:47.000 Where did it all go?

01:25:49.000 Somebody tried to explain it to me and I glazed over.

01:25:51.000 I was like, I can't pay attention to this.

01:25:54.000 Whenever we go to any of the, like, there's a lot of, like, speaking meetings, right?

01:25:58.000 And I think, hey, this is some real mixed martial arts, this stuff.

01:26:02.000 Because not only do you have to know what you got to do when you get in, well, there's a lot of black and white stuff.

01:26:07.000 And that's, like, freedoms or, like, basic stuff.

01:26:09.000 And then there's state budgets, you That gets gray.

01:26:12.000 Gray areas.

01:26:13.000 That's where you've got to have a lot of people helping you out.

01:26:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:18.000 Oh my god.

01:26:19.000 To make bad economic choices could be horrible.

01:26:24.000 Oh man.

01:26:25.000 You've got to really make sure you make the right choice.

01:26:27.000 You have to bring people in.

01:26:28.000 Can we do this?

01:26:29.000 Is this feasible?

01:26:31.000 Yes. 1.00

01:26:31.000 That shit's got to be scary. 1.00

01:26:32.000 No wonder why they like toe the line. 1.00

01:26:34.000 They try not to fuck anything up.

01:26:36.000 They probably have so many problems like, let's not fix anything.

01:26:38.000 Let's just not fuck it up any further.

01:26:40.000 You know what it is?

01:26:41.000 They're political entrepreneurs.

01:26:44.000 How are they going to get to the next thing?

01:26:47.000 How are they going to work their way all the way up to governor?

01:26:52.000 I'm lucky that I was in the UFC and that whole UFC is so big in Hawaii.

01:26:57.000 If not And that's why they're giving me a chance with this name recognition.

01:27:00.000 I talk to Dana, I say, Dana, I got a good chance for my name recognition in the UFC. He goes, that's amazing, man.

01:27:06.000 How can I help?

01:27:08.000 So it's exciting.

01:27:10.000 Lorenzo is excited about it.

01:27:12.000 He loves it.

01:27:13.000 That's wild.

01:27:14.000 Well, I'm excited you're doing something that you believe in, and I'm excited.

01:27:18.000 I love when a legend talks about that decision to step down and stop fighting, and I think that that's a really important conversation for young guys to hear.

01:27:31.000 Because you're getting into this game, and you've got to realize this is the most wild, crazy, exciting, but ultimately physically damaging game there is other than maybe football.

01:27:43.000 Football players, they fuck each other up, just running full tilt into each other.

01:27:47.000 But MMA is even more personal. 0.99

01:27:49.000 Even more psychological because you know it's just you and this other guy and then you set a date and it's 4th of July weekend in Vegas and your fucking billboard is outside your hotel window and it's giant, you can't sleep.

01:28:01.000 You know, it's what you guys have done, you know, is it's very, very, very extraordinary and very difficult to achieve that kind of level of success that you achieved a small handful of them ever do in time.

01:28:16.000 So for you to admit that it's very difficult for you to feel like for your identity to step down, it's very important for young fighters to hear because they're going to know that this is a part of everybody's journey.

01:28:29.000 There's going to be a part where now maybe if you want, you can coach.

01:28:33.000 Maybe you can help young fighters coming up with your wisdom and your perspective.

01:28:38.000 Fighters would fight very, very hard for you.

01:28:42.000 Like a guy to be able to train under a guy like BJ Penn. 0.99

01:28:44.000 Holy shit. 0.98

01:28:45.000 You'd get some dedicated guys who would be drawn to you. 0.99

01:28:48.000 But it's just...

01:28:51.000 It's going to be the time in the cage is temporary.

01:28:54.000 Yeah.

01:28:55.000 And I'm glad that you said it the way you said it because I think that's very valuable for people.

01:28:58.000 And I want to say to all of those fighters out there, some of you guys are going to be the world champions.

01:29:03.000 Some of you guys are going to make a lot of money.

01:29:05.000 But let me remind all of you guys, MMA is not a career.

01:29:09.000 It's an opportunity.

01:29:10.000 And you go out and you make the most of your opportunity when you get that chance.

01:29:14.000 And when it's time to walk away...

01:29:17.000 I've had a very rough time myself walking away.

01:29:20.000 And I just wish and I hope you guys the best for your guys' future.

01:29:24.000 That's a beautiful statement.

01:29:26.000 And I love what you're saying, because it is true.

01:29:28.000 And even though guys are doing it for a career, it is an opportunity, meaning it's a temporary career.

01:29:35.000 It's not like being an accountant.

01:29:37.000 You can keep going.

01:29:39.000 Get thicker glasses, keep going.

01:29:40.000 You know, you can keep working if you want to keep working, if you have the money, and if you need the money, rather.

01:29:45.000 But for MMA, there's a window of time.

01:29:47.000 And that's why I think it's so important to judge a fighter by their best work. 0.99

01:29:51.000 Like I always say, I mean, I don't want to say there's a goat, but for me, when anybody tries to say anything bad about Mike Tyson, I go, there was a window of time where Mike Tyson was the motherfucker of all motherfuckers. 0.99

01:30:03.000 Like, you don't know. 0.99

01:30:04.000 I'm getting chicken skin.

01:30:04.000 You weren't around back then.

01:30:06.000 You weren't around back then. 0.99

01:30:07.000 From 86 to whatever it was, like 89, Mike Tyson was the motherfucker. 1.00

01:30:13.000 He was the motherfucker. 1.00

01:30:15.000 He was the man. 1.00

01:30:16.000 He was the man.

01:30:16.000 He was terrifying.

01:30:17.000 And you don't get it because you weren't around then.

01:30:21.000 And you got to think about a fighter like that from that time period.

01:30:25.000 And how did he make you feel, right?

01:30:27.000 It's not what they said, it's not what they did, it's how they made you feel.

01:30:29.000 And he still can make us feel that right there.

01:30:33.000 And we'll never, ever forget how he made us feel.

01:30:35.000 Yeah, never, never forget. 0.89

01:30:38.000 Yeah, there's certain fighters that when they, you know, achieve great heights, they achieve one victory after another victory, like you go, holy shit, I can't, I feel like I'm in the middle of history here. 0.58

01:30:50.000 I feel like I've went and seen history.

01:30:52.000 When Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock fought in the Octagon the first time, I felt like, remember that?

01:31:00.000 Yes, I remember that.

01:31:01.000 It was huge.

01:31:01.000 People might think nothing of it today.

01:31:03.000 You only, oh, Tito fought Ken, oh, who cares, Ken?

01:31:06.000 Hey, that was the two biggest, this was the guy who carried our sport in the beginning, and then Tito was carrying our sport now.

01:31:14.000 Yes.

01:31:15.000 You know, and that was them.

01:31:18.000 Yes.

01:31:18.000 I'll never forget that feeling of watching them two look at each other in the octagon.

01:31:23.000 My whole body has chicken skin over it right now.

01:31:25.000 It was just...

01:31:26.000 People don't...

01:31:27.000 They'll be like, oh, but Tito just beat him up.

01:31:29.000 Ken was old.

01:31:29.000 No.

01:31:30.000 That was two eras.

01:31:32.000 That was an era and another era stepping in the ring for us to enjoy.

01:31:38.000 And I'll never, ever forget that.

01:31:40.000 Ever.

01:31:41.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:31:42.000 Damn. 0.99

01:31:44.000 Those were the days. 0.99

01:31:45.000 Yeah.

01:31:47.000 Jason Perillo, he always used to tell me, nothing more important than a fist fight, but it's going on.

01:31:54.000 While it's going on, nothing more important.

01:31:57.000 I've made the best friends and had the best journey, and that's why we all love jiu-jitsu.

01:32:02.000 It's the camaraderie in everybody.

01:32:04.000 We're all talking and laughing.

01:32:06.000 No matter what, after the fight, you're going to have some laughs, you're going to have some tears, whether you won or lost.

01:32:12.000 Yep.

01:32:12.000 You know?

01:32:13.000 And what a journey.

01:32:15.000 But I know that feeling after...

01:32:17.000 I remember when I started kind of getting bruised up and stuff.

01:32:20.000 And I remember I think I was in Australia.

01:32:22.000 I just fought Fitch.

01:32:23.000 And I remember I went back to the...

01:32:25.000 And my face was busted up because I couldn't even move in the third round.

01:32:28.000 And he just kind of sat on me and beat me up.

01:32:30.000 I went to the...

01:32:32.000 My friend, it was Hoyt actually, he goes, hey, come here.

01:32:36.000 And he filled the whole sink with ice so I could dip my face inside.

01:32:39.000 And I thought, it's the first time anybody ever did this for me.

01:32:43.000 I might be getting old.

01:32:46.000 Put my face in there, you know?

01:32:49.000 And when you get old, you start getting bruised.

01:32:52.000 You know what?

01:32:53.000 When did you feel like physically things were different?

01:32:57.000 Like around what year?

01:33:00.000 I don't know about the physique.

01:33:02.000 Well, I started looking when I started getting bruises, I think.

01:33:06.000 Because even like GSP sitting on me, hitting me forever, busting my whole face up.

01:33:11.000 And it was like Leatherface coming out like nothing.

01:33:13.000 Let's do a modeling shoot.

01:33:14.000 But then I started getting those black eyes.

01:33:17.000 And my father told me, he said, look, you're starting to bruise up now.

01:33:21.000 I think he was kind of saying it without saying it, but hey, you're starting to bruise up now.

01:33:27.000 Because I would never have anything on my face.

01:33:29.000 So how old do you think you were?

01:33:30.000 I think it was around that time, around the Fitch time.

01:33:34.000 It was probably around those times.

01:33:36.000 And how old do you think you were when you fought Fitch?

01:33:42.000 32, 33. But I always say, for any fighter, it's the miles.

01:33:49.000 It's not the age.

01:33:50.000 It's like a car.

01:33:50.000 You can keep a perfect car in mint condition in the garage.

01:33:53.000 It's the miles that you put in your body, like Julio Cesar Chavez.

01:33:57.000 All of us, you know, over there fighting.

01:33:59.000 All those fights in the octagon and all those fights in the gym.

01:34:03.000 Every day in MMA, you meet the new guy, the new a-hole who thinks he's the toughest guy in the world.

01:34:08.000 And he's your sparring partner for the next eight weeks. 1.00

01:34:10.000 And you got to deal with this, asshole. 1.00

01:34:13.000 And I just got tired of that kind of stuff. 1.00

01:34:16.000 Now I just laugh when I see it because you know you don't have to go kick his ass. 0.99

01:34:21.000 Did you get tired? 0.99

01:34:24.000 Was it physically tired or was it a waning of your enthusiasm?

01:34:29.000 You weren't as enthusiastic as you were when you were younger?

01:34:31.000 Enthusiastic.

01:34:32.000 So then you didn't train as hard?

01:34:34.000 It's always an emotional fatigue you get.

01:34:39.000 It's probably all of them.

01:34:40.000 You don't try as hard.

01:34:41.000 You don't train as hard.

01:34:43.000 You're just not in love with it anymore.

01:34:46.000 But you try to put a goal like, if I could be the first guy to get three world titles.

01:34:51.000 So you try to put a goal in your head that makes sense.

01:34:55.000 And you keep falling up short and you're just like, huh.

01:35:01.000 But still right now, I'm still walking right here.

01:35:05.000 I know I don't even work out anymore.

01:35:06.000 I'm still the toughest man on the planet.

01:35:09.000 That's just...

01:35:11.000 I know.

01:35:11.000 That's how you've always been.

01:35:12.000 I'll never ever not think that.

01:35:15.000 I'll be 80. I'll kick your ass right now. 1.00

01:35:19.000 Yeah, well, for people who don't know, for young people that have not researched the history of BJ Penn, you must now go watch because you're in for a treat. 1.00

01:35:30.000 You put on some spectacular fights.

01:35:32.000 It was fun times, brother.

01:35:34.000 Thank you.

01:35:35.000 Have you thought about doing anything else other than this running for governor thing?

01:35:42.000 I just want to raise my kids and they're growing so fast, you know?

01:35:47.000 Yeah.

01:35:47.000 And I just want to be around.

01:35:50.000 I'll be around my mom now.

01:35:51.000 She asked me to move in with her since my dad passed away.

01:35:54.000 So...

01:35:56.000 Man, my dad was big.

01:35:57.000 My dad, a lot of people don't know, Helsing Gracie came over and he pushed jiu-jitsu more than everybody, of course, but my dad pushed jiu-jitsu a lot.

01:36:06.000 You know how it was in the 90s?

01:36:08.000 Nobody really liked jiu-jitsu.

01:36:09.000 Everybody liked kickboxing and boxing, you know?

01:36:12.000 And the gym wouldn't be making money, and he would always say, just leave it open.

01:36:15.000 Just leave it open.

01:36:16.000 I'll take care of you this month.

01:36:17.000 Leave it open.

01:36:18.000 He loved jiu-jitsu.

01:36:19.000 He loved...

01:36:20.000 I think he knew how important it was, because he was a judo black belt, but...

01:36:26.000 I'm sure he knew then.

01:36:27.000 And also, you won the Mundials three years in.

01:36:30.000 I remember those days, brother.

01:36:32.000 You won the Mundials three years in.

01:36:36.000 For people that don't understand how crazy that is, first of all, it's crazy to be able to get your black belt in three years.

01:36:41.000 Then to win the Mundials as a black belt after three years of training, there's only one guy that ever did that.

01:36:48.000 That's BJ Penn. 1.00

01:36:49.000 You did that shit, and I was like, we were all like, holy fuck, BJ won the Mundials? 1.00

01:36:54.000 That was wild! 1.00

01:36:56.000 People ask me, they say, how did you get a black belt in three years?

01:36:59.000 Was it desire?

01:37:00.000 Was it dedication?

01:37:01.000 Was it drive?

01:37:02.000 And I always look at them and say, no.

01:37:05.000 It was fun.

01:37:07.000 You had fun.

01:37:08.000 I had fun.

01:37:09.000 That's the only way.

01:37:10.000 You need to find...

01:37:11.000 What you love to do and become the best at it.

01:37:14.000 What's your favorite thing?

01:37:15.000 Everybody's got their thing in them, you know?

01:37:18.000 But it's just that accomplishment of being able to do that at that level three years in.

01:37:22.000 That's nuts.

01:37:23.000 Man, and you know what's funny is John Lewis was telling Andre Pedanaris, BJ's ready to fight black belt.

01:37:29.000 Let him fight black belt.

01:37:30.000 So I went over to Novo Niao and he goes, Andre's always the nicest guy, right?

01:37:35.000 He goes, BJ, I believe in you.

01:37:38.000 I believe you can be the world champion.

01:37:41.000 But it's not me.

01:37:43.000 You have to convince them.

01:37:45.000 And he pointed at the whole group.

01:37:50.000 We've grown up in such a serious sport, right?

01:37:53.000 Where everything is important, you know?

01:37:55.000 So, I look in there and he goes, you...

01:37:59.000 We're going to do a selection today.

01:38:01.000 You beat these two guys, I give you your black belt right now, and you're going to be on A spot to go into the Munjo.

01:38:08.000 And then I won my two matches against the two black belts. 0.70

01:38:11.000 Wow.

01:38:12.000 And that was harder than the Munjo because everybody's screaming in Portuguese and this and that.

01:38:16.000 And that's all of their friends.

01:38:17.000 They know each other better than me.

01:38:19.000 I'm from Hawaii, you know.

01:38:20.000 But they love me anyway, but still, you know, that's their brother.

01:38:24.000 Yeah.

01:38:25.000 So we all did it and this and that.

01:38:27.000 I just hear a lot of Portuguese going and I ended up winning.

01:38:30.000 And then I got to the Munjo.

01:38:33.000 I'm glad Joe Hawk didn't show up that day.

01:38:35.000 Because Joe Hawk was always my idol anyway, you know. 1.00

01:38:38.000 I can't beat him, he'll kill me, he'll kick my ass. 1.00

01:38:40.000 You remember Joe Hawk, how tough he was, right? 1.00

01:38:43.000 He's all of our idol.

01:38:44.000 But that was the days of Shaolin, Leo Santos, Robinho, Joe Hawk.

01:38:50.000 And it was just a fun time.

01:38:52.000 When I ended up with Novo Niao, they really kind of reminded me of a group of people from Hawaii.

01:38:57.000 And it was just home still till today.

01:39:00.000 That's awesome.

01:39:01.000 That's my people.

01:39:03.000 Yeah, well, it was a beautiful relationship.

01:39:05.000 And the fights, some of those fights that you had, man.

01:39:09.000 I don't know if you ever go back and watch them. 0.91

01:39:12.000 Do you ever just fucking say, let me just take a look at what I did? 0.55

01:39:16.000 I don't much. 0.97

01:39:17.000 Watch on YouTube.

01:39:18.000 I don't much, you know.

01:39:19.000 I should.

01:39:20.000 You should.

01:39:21.000 Just put a smile on your face.

01:39:23.000 Watch a BJ Penn KO highlight reel.

01:39:25.000 Imagine when I'm all there.

01:39:26.000 Come on, everybody.

01:39:27.000 It's time to watch it.

01:39:28.000 Put on BJ Penn KO highlights.

01:39:30.000 There's got to be highlights.

01:39:32.000 Yeah, it's hard for fighters to get past...

01:39:35.000 To watch again.

01:39:36.000 It is, because then I start thinking about me and doing it now, you know?

01:39:41.000 Well, I'm 43. You know what used to help me when I would drive?

01:39:44.000 I had this one gray hair on my hand.

01:39:46.000 And whenever I did, I was like, okay, you're fine.

01:39:49.000 You don't have time.

01:39:51.000 That's what did it.

01:39:52.000 That's what helped, too.

01:39:53.000 That's hilarious.

01:39:54.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

01:39:56.000 Yeah, it's like, time doesn't give a fuck, BJ. Time doesn't give a fuck about anybody. 0.99

01:40:01.000 Time has its own ideas and you have a clock. 0.84

01:40:04.000 Right? 1.00

01:40:05.000 But while your fucking clock was ticking, look what the fucking you did. 1.00

01:40:09.000 Look what the fuck you did, PJ. You fucked up a lot of people. 1.00

01:40:13.000 Like that takedown defense there was spectacular. 0.99

01:40:15.000 While you were hitting it with uppercuts, while he's trying to take you down.

01:40:18.000 This is another thing you did in that back take thing with Matt Hughes.

01:40:22.000 You were one of the first guys that was very effective at trapping arms.

01:40:28.000 Did you see what Mikey Musumechi did to Iminari?

01:40:42.000 No.

01:40:42.000 They had a grappling match in 1FC. This is how good this Musumechi kid is.

01:40:47.000 I don't know if you know who he is.

01:40:48.000 And Iminar is a legend.

01:40:49.000 I mean, he teaches us.

01:40:50.000 We would go to his seminar, me and you.

01:40:53.000 This kid buzzsawed him.

01:40:55.000 No way.

01:40:56.000 Dude, this kid is good.

01:40:57.000 Where's this kid?

01:40:58.000 He's in Vegas right now.

01:41:00.000 This kid trains 12 hours a day.

01:41:02.000 And I'm not exaggerating, BJ. He is fucking obsessed. 0.99

01:41:06.000 He doesn't take days off. 1.00

01:41:07.000 He just goes.

01:41:09.000 It's fun.

01:41:10.000 It's fun for him.

01:41:11.000 So they're exchanging leg lock attacks at first, and Iminari traps him.

01:41:15.000 He looks like a kid.

01:41:16.000 He's young.

01:41:17.000 He's in his early 20s, I believe.

01:41:20.000 He's very young.

01:41:21.000 But the guy's so good and just constantly drills.

01:41:26.000 And has fantastic defense, too.

01:41:29.000 So his leg lock defense and his offense is very high level.

01:41:32.000 I mean, to have Iminari to have your leg like that. 0.63

01:41:34.000 Imagine what me and you would be thinking. 1.00

01:41:36.000 Crazy, you're dead. 1.00

01:41:36.000 Oh my god, he's gonna break my leg. 1.00

01:41:38.000 Yeah, but he's look at that right there.

01:41:40.000 I mean that is insane.

01:41:41.000 What?

01:41:41.000 That footlock looks insane, but he gets out of this.

01:41:45.000 That's what's nuts.

01:41:47.000 So he starts attacking Iminari's leg and Iminari's like, okay, I gotta address that or I gotta hang on to this.

01:41:54.000 I gotta make a choice.

01:41:54.000 So he makes a choice.

01:41:55.000 And so now he's got his leg out and now Musumechi's got him in real danger.

01:42:01.000 So Iminari steps up and he tries to attack an inside heel hook. 0.95

01:42:04.000 So they're battling back and forth.

01:42:08.000 And Mr. Manchi, eventually, I think it's right out of here, he gets to his back.

01:42:14.000 So here.

01:42:15.000 So here he uses that right, that underhook, and bam, he clamps ahold of his body.

01:42:20.000 Now he's got him from behind.

01:42:22.000 So all he has to do is get his legs out and he's got his back.

01:42:24.000 It's pretty interesting.

01:42:26.000 Oh, look, he'll look again.

01:42:28.000 This is amazing stuff right now.

01:42:30.000 Yeah, amazing stuff.

01:42:31.000 So if you don't know, Imanari is like this wizard leg lock specialist.

01:42:34.000 He's been doing this before us.

01:42:35.000 Yeah, yeah, he was the man.

01:42:36.000 And here's this kid fighting with him.

01:42:39.000 This is amazing.

01:42:40.000 Yeah, so now Musumechi gets him and he mounts.

01:42:42.000 Look how quickly he mounts.

01:42:44.000 It's a beautiful mount.

01:42:45.000 So he's got him on the ground.

01:42:47.000 He's got head and arm control.

01:42:48.000 Full mount.

01:42:48.000 Look how beautiful that mount is, dude.

01:42:50.000 Just quickly.

01:42:51.000 And he just clamps ahold of him and then he...

01:42:53.000 Watch how he takes the back here, BJ. This is wild shit. 1.00

01:42:56.000 Because it's so quick, it's hard to see how he's doing it. 1.00

01:43:00.000 Watch this little slickness right here. 1.00

01:43:04.000 So he holds on to him.

01:43:05.000 Look at this.

01:43:06.000 Wow!

01:43:08.000 Wow!

01:43:09.000 How about that?

01:43:10.000 Can I see that again?

01:43:12.000 Wow!

01:43:12.000 Now, by the way, folks, he's doing this to Imanari.

01:43:14.000 Look at this back take.

01:43:15.000 Imanari has been doing this before me and Joe started.

01:43:18.000 That back take was nasty.

01:43:21.000 Amazing.

01:43:22.000 Amazing back take.

01:43:23.000 So this is how strong this kid is.

01:43:24.000 Off the going to your knees.

01:43:25.000 He takes her back off you going to your knees.

01:43:27.000 And this is what I was going to get to.

01:43:28.000 He triangles the arm under.

01:43:31.000 Not just hold it like you did, but he triangles it.

01:43:34.000 That's his move.

01:43:34.000 How does he get it?

01:43:36.000 He just pushes it?

01:43:36.000 Watch, I'll show you.

01:43:37.000 He's very flexible with his legs and good leg dexterity as well, but he's got a whole system of how to set up arms and he drills them.

01:43:46.000 How to set arms and trap them.

01:43:48.000 Right there.

01:43:49.000 Look how he goes across.

01:43:50.000 He just keeps going until he gets it, but he pins that arm down.

01:43:56.000 And once he pins that arm down, see how he gets it under?

01:43:59.000 Okay.

01:43:59.000 There he got it.

01:44:00.000 There he goes.

01:44:01.000 Now he's got it.

01:44:03.000 That's the one I love.

01:44:04.000 Now he's got it trapped, and then he moves it to a triangle.

01:44:06.000 Look at that.

01:44:06.000 Wow.

01:44:07.000 It's over.

01:44:08.000 You'll never get it out.

01:44:09.000 Never getting that out.

01:44:10.000 That's nasty.

01:44:11.000 Wow. 0.99

01:44:12.000 So not only did he take the back, but he triangles his fucking arm, and now he's battling off a rear naked choke from one of the best guys in the world with one arm. 0.98

01:44:20.000 And the Japanese are the greatest in the world at defending back submissions and all that. 0.99

01:44:26.000 This kid is nasty. 0.82

01:44:27.000 So he keeps digging. 0.89

01:44:27.000 He's using the classic, you know, tuck your thumb, go under the chin, and he's getting across, and he's just trying to get it all the way across so he can grab that shoulder. 0.89

01:44:36.000 And now he's got the shoulder.

01:44:37.000 He's got one arm under it. 0.99

01:44:39.000 He's fucked now. 0.99

01:44:39.000 Look at that. 0.99

01:44:40.000 And watch how he sinks this choke in.

01:44:42.000 It's a one-arm choke, but he reaches back and goes right through like that.

01:44:46.000 Look at that.

01:44:47.000 BAM! Wow!

01:44:49.000 Nasty.

01:44:50.000 How nasty? 1.00

01:44:51.000 That kid's fucking good. 1.00

01:44:52.000 I cannot believe that. 0.99

01:44:54.000 I cannot believe that I just saw that right there.

01:44:56.000 Well, this kid has been elite of the elite in no-gi grappling.

01:45:01.000 He's done a lot of gi work, too.

01:45:02.000 A lot of gi grappling, too.

01:45:03.000 He's elite at gi grappling as well.

01:45:05.000 But in no-gi, he's been fantastic.

01:45:09.000 So is Gordon...

01:45:11.000 He's not a jiu-jitsu black belt, Gordon?

01:45:13.000 What?

01:45:14.000 No, I was asking you because I see...

01:45:15.000 I thought I saw him with...

01:45:16.000 Well, he's a Donaher black belt.

01:45:17.000 Okay.

01:45:18.000 I guess it's a no-gi black belt. 0.91

01:45:19.000 I think maybe he's trolling.

01:45:21.000 Yeah, because I saw he wore a blue belt one day and a purple belt the next day.

01:45:25.000 Yeah, that's what I was trying to figure out what was going on. 0.99

01:45:28.000 If he's not a black belt, who the fuck is? 1.00

01:45:31.000 You know, if Gordon Ryan isn't a black belt, how stringent are your requirements? 0.99

01:45:36.000 You got literally the greatest on paper, the greatest grappler of all time.

01:45:42.000 And he's only 25. He's only 25?

01:45:45.000 Yes.

01:45:45.000 Wow.

01:45:46.000 Maybe he's 26 now.

01:45:47.000 Is Gordon 26?

01:45:48.000 Look, he got his brown belt.

01:45:49.000 That's not real.

01:45:50.000 Yeah, I was trying to figure out what was going on.

01:45:53.000 That's preposterous. 0.99

01:45:54.000 I mean, unless he's fucking around, he's like, I don't want a brown belt. 1.00

01:45:57.000 Give me a brown belt. 0.99

01:45:59.000 Gordon's about 240 now, somewhere around then.

01:46:01.000 He was having some stomach problems, but he seems to have worked them out for the most part.

01:46:06.000 Although he did say, you know, it depends on what he eats.

01:46:10.000 If he eats well, his stomach doesn't get any... 0.98

01:46:12.000 He got staph a bunch of times, and he was on antibiotics for a long time, and it just fucked his whole... 0.60

01:46:22.000 It's a certain reaction where he would eat food and almost everything he ate made him nauseous.

01:46:26.000 Interesting.

01:46:27.000 I see you doing a lot with the diet and stuff nowadays.

01:46:30.000 You're into the meat or whatever.

01:46:32.000 I'm into the meat or whatever.

01:46:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:34.000 Because I see so many different things out there.

01:46:37.000 I eat a lot of meat.

01:46:38.000 Okay.

01:46:39.000 I love meat too.

01:46:41.000 You know...

01:46:43.000 It's a complicated conversation that's also wrapped up in politics.

01:46:46.000 I wanted to ask you about that.

01:46:48.000 Okay.

01:46:48.000 You know, because people, like, when you associate meat with climate change.

01:46:52.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:46:53.000 You don't care about the climate.

01:46:55.000 Don't you know that eating meat is a big part?

01:46:57.000 Well, there's a lot of problems.

01:46:58.000 We're God now.

01:46:59.000 We're God now.

01:46:59.000 We're going to fix the earth.

01:47:01.000 We shouldn't fuck up the earth anymore than we've already fucked it up, and they probably should...

01:47:05.000 We've come up with some methods to mitigate it, but you've got to be rational about certain things.

01:47:09.000 Like, regenerative farming is real.

01:47:11.000 Which means, like, there's, on some farms, if they run them correctly, and again, I'm a moron, I don't know exactly if this is true, but they're talking about it being able to achieve a carbon neutral state on a regenerative farm. 0.97

01:47:25.000 So a regenerative farm is where the cows graze, And then they shit, and their manure is used as fertilizer, and then there's other animals that roam the land, like pigs and chickens, and they all shit and eat and take care of all the little bugs and shit and keep everything clean. 0.96

01:47:42.000 The microbes. 0.97

01:47:43.000 Yeah, and they run what the world is supposed to be like.

01:47:46.000 Okay.

01:47:47.000 Within a fence or whatever.

01:47:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:50.000 Yeah, there's a guy named Joel Salatin, and he does this, and he has, like, a whole system.

01:47:54.000 And what he does is he just moves them to new areas.

01:47:57.000 Yeah.

01:47:57.000 And he constantly has them roam around the land, and he just kind of, like, moves them in, like, movable pens.

01:48:03.000 Okay, okay.

01:48:04.000 So they're always in nature.

01:48:05.000 They're just kind of, like, corralled in.

01:48:07.000 Yep. 0.99

01:48:08.000 But they live like an animal's supposed to live, not, like, you know, not like factory farming or anything fucked up. 0.99

01:48:13.000 Gotcha, yep. 0.98

01:48:14.000 Gotcha.

01:48:14.000 And that in doing it this way, they believe that they can achieve a carbon neutral effect.

01:48:20.000 Okay.

01:48:20.000 And the real problem in this country is, like, it's not just in terms of pollution.

01:48:27.000 There's a lot of pollution.

01:48:30.000 There's plastics, microplastics, that they keep finding in our bloodstream, and we're doing nothing to address that.

01:48:36.000 We just assume that that's a part of life, and you just have to deal with that.

01:48:39.000 As much as people know about that, there's studies that are coming out about this now that show that it's leading to a decrease in sperm count for men, an uptick in miscarriages for women.

01:48:52.000 There's things called phthalates.

01:48:55.000 And it's a kind of a chemical that comes from petrochemical products.

01:49:01.000 And when it gets into a mammal's bloodstream, it fucks up the reproductive system. 1.00

01:49:07.000 Well, that's in a toothbrush and everything then.

01:49:09.000 Phthalates?

01:49:10.000 I mean plastics, right?

01:49:11.000 I don't know what it's in.

01:49:14.000 I know it's in a lot of things.

01:49:16.000 I know it's in, like, when you microwave plastics, like, that's probably not a good idea.

01:49:21.000 Oh, gotcha, because it goes in your food.

01:49:23.000 It could leach into your food.

01:49:24.000 You know, when you're heating up plastics and it's attached to your food, probably not the best idea.

01:49:29.000 Okay.

01:49:29.000 Which makes sense, right?

01:49:30.000 That makes sense. 1.00

01:49:30.000 I mean, it's made out of fucking gasoline. 1.00

01:49:32.000 And you're heating it up, yeah. 0.99

01:49:34.000 A scientist analyzed blood samples from 22 anonymous donors.

01:49:39.000 All healthy adults found plastic particles in 17. Half the samples contained PET plastic, which is commonly used in drink bottles, while a third contained polystrine, used for packaging food and other products.

01:49:56.000 A quarter of the blood samples contained polyethylene, from which plastic carrier bags are made.

01:50:02.000 Jesus Christ.

01:50:03.000 So our Ziplocs.

01:50:05.000 So all our...

01:50:06.000 We're breathing this stuff in.

01:50:08.000 We're getting it from food.

01:50:10.000 We're getting it from all...

01:50:11.000 It's in the air.

01:50:12.000 All kinds of different things.

01:50:13.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:50:14.000 Well, there's some particles, I'm sure...

01:50:16.000 What is brake dust?

01:50:17.000 What are they making those things out of?

01:50:19.000 Because that's a real thing.

01:50:20.000 Brake dust is a real thing. 0.98

01:50:23.000 No, no bullshit.

01:50:24.000 If you live in a place like New York City, and there's people constantly braking around you in traffic, that's like little puffs of this stuff.

01:50:31.000 And you see it on the rims.

01:50:32.000 Don't you see it on the rim?

01:50:33.000 Oh, that's a real thing, BJ. Brake dust in the air is a real thing.

01:50:36.000 Yep, I believe that.

01:50:38.000 100%.

01:50:38.000 They say that living in like a high population, high polluted area like that, where there's a lot of traffic, like if people are just using regular internal combustion cars like they are now, unless everybody switches to electric, you're ingesting a certain amount of chemicals that are coming out of those cars, whether you like it or not.

01:50:57.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:50:58.000 If you're walking this way and everyone in this side has a fire going on, That's what they have.

01:51:04.000 They have a controlled fire.

01:51:06.000 What are they burning?

01:51:06.000 They're burning gasoline.

01:51:08.000 So they're burning gasoline.

01:51:10.000 But it goes through a bunch of filters.

01:51:11.000 Don't worry about it, BJ. It's fine and clean.

01:51:13.000 And it goes through all these filters and comes out the back end.

01:51:16.000 But you're just walking next to that.

01:51:18.000 That's crazy.

01:51:18.000 Imagine if you're jogging, the people who jog on the road.

01:51:21.000 When I used to drive home when I lived in LA and I'd get stuck in traffic, I'd always feel like shit when I got home. 1.00

01:51:26.000 And then I realized, oh, asshole, you're out there getting poisoned. 1.00

01:51:31.000 You're on the highway. 1.00

01:51:32.000 If you're on the 405 and it's bumper to bumper traffic for an hour and a half, bumper to bumper for an hour and a half, you're breathing in all these fires.

01:51:41.000 Everybody's got a sterno can. 1.00

01:51:42.000 You're breathing that shit in. 1.00

01:51:46.000 Isn't that crazy? 1.00

01:51:47.000 It's true though. 0.96

01:51:48.000 That's what it is.

01:51:49.000 A bunch of controlled fires.

01:51:50.000 It's a bunch of controlled fires.

01:51:52.000 And you're breathing the air in whatever's left that the engine doesn't suck in and burn off.

01:51:59.000 Yep. 1.00

01:52:01.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:52:04.000 You know? 1.00

01:52:05.000 That's got to be bad for you.

01:52:06.000 There's like so many different things that we, you know, because civilization's amazing.

01:52:10.000 It's amazing that you can get medicine.

01:52:12.000 It's amazing that you can get education.

01:52:14.000 It's amazing you can get safe housing, that all this stuff can happen in an area.

01:52:17.000 That's civilization.

01:52:18.000 That's amazing.

01:52:19.000 But it comes with consequences.

01:52:21.000 And one of them is, one of the things that we've been using, these plastics, are getting into our bodies.

01:52:26.000 And it has disastrous consequences.

01:52:29.000 This woman named Dr. Shanna Swan, she wrote this book called Countdown, and it's all about these phthalates and these petrochemical products and what they're doing to reproductive systems.

01:52:40.000 Because I remember they always have those things to take out the heavy metals and stuff, but now we've got to get one to take out the plastics, huh?

01:52:47.000 I don't know what they can do.

01:52:48.000 I wonder what they can do, but the real problem apparently is when these phthalates in particular infect women when they're pregnant, because then it has an impact on the development of the child.

01:53:01.000 So more so than it has an impact on an adult, during the process of maturation inside the womb, that's when they think it has effects on kids.

01:53:13.000 Oh, that's terrible.

01:53:15.000 Yeah, because this is what they're thinking about with mammals.

01:53:17.000 The study, I believe, showed that with mammals, when there was a large presence of phthalates, or a presence of phthalates, they could see that the male animal was more feminized. 0.96

01:53:31.000 They had smaller testicles, smaller penises. 1.00

01:53:34.000 They had smaller taints. 1.00

01:53:35.000 And they don't want to fight back.

01:53:38.000 Wow, that's probably a lot of that there.

01:53:45.000 It's a thing that's going on in the whole world.

01:53:47.000 It's easier to tell somebody what to do when they're not going to say, I don't want to do that. 0.81

01:53:55.000 I wonder what the fuck we could do about these phthalates, and I wonder what they could do about, I mean, microplastics. 0.96

01:54:01.000 And that guy, I'm sure you're aware of that guy, Boyan Slott, who built that, is a young kid who built that machine that's cleaning up the Pacific garbage patch. 1.00

01:54:10.000 Yeah, I heard.

01:54:12.000 I didn't know exactly what name that was, but I heard about somebody trying to clean up that plastic in the ocean.

01:54:18.000 I mean, he developed this idea when he was 19 years old.

01:54:21.000 The kid's a genius.

01:54:22.000 So what does it do?

01:54:23.000 Well, it's a machine that skims the ocean.

01:54:27.000 They actually have a working model of it now, and not only that, but you can actually buy products that they create from that recycled plastic, which is pretty badass.

01:54:35.000 Interesting.

01:54:35.000 Yeah, they have sunglasses, and I think they have a bunch of other stuff now, but back then when he was on, they had sunglasses.

01:54:41.000 But this machine, it goes through the ocean and scoops up all this plastic.

01:54:47.000 Okay.

01:54:48.000 Over time, look at this, this is all stuff that they've gotten out of the ocean.

01:54:53.000 Isn't this insane? 0.84

01:54:54.000 So this garbage patch is gigantic.

01:54:58.000 It's this huge spot in the middle of the ocean where I guess the currents pass each other and it allows all this garbage to kind of stay there and collect.

01:55:08.000 So it's this massive, massive area. 1.00

01:55:10.000 But look how much shit is in it, man. 1.00

01:55:13.000 Wow! 1.00

01:55:13.000 That's all just floating around in this massive spot in the middle of the ocean. 1.00

01:55:18.000 You know, the fishermen who live off the ocean, they litter the ocean.

01:55:24.000 That's horrible.

01:55:24.000 They'll just drink a soda and throw it over that.

01:55:27.000 It blows me away when I see that.

01:55:29.000 It's so sad.

01:55:30.000 It's so sad if someone does that. 0.99

01:55:32.000 It's so ignorant. 0.98

01:55:32.000 Right? 0.98

01:55:33.000 It's just they haven't been educated.

01:55:36.000 Someone didn't respect them and then they don't respect the ocean.

01:55:39.000 Someone should tell you what that is.

01:55:40.000 You live next to an amazing natural wonder.

01:55:43.000 Yep.

01:55:44.000 When you stand by the ocean in Hawaii and you look out, you're like, this is crazy.

01:55:48.000 There's so much water out there.

01:55:50.000 How was your trip to Maui?

01:55:51.000 Love it.

01:55:52.000 I love it there.

01:55:53.000 You had a great time?

01:55:54.000 Right on.

01:55:55.000 Hawaii is my favorite spot.

01:55:56.000 When I become governor...

01:55:59.000 I'm gonna come back, man.

01:56:00.000 Yeah, I heard you were planning on moving to the Big Island one day.

01:56:02.000 Were you thinking about it?

01:56:03.000 I thought about it.

01:56:04.000 Yeah, I'd heard that Terrence McKenna's house was for sale up there, but someone told me it burnt to the ground.

01:56:10.000 Terrence McKenna.

01:56:11.000 Terrence McKenna is this psychedelic pioneer who's an ethnobotanist and just a genius guy.

01:56:18.000 I was a giant admirer of his work, and he had a getaway in Kona, Oh, nice.

01:56:25.000 Yeah, he lived in this area where he had set up this whole psychedelic plant compound all over this plot of land.

01:56:37.000 He was growing all these plants that they had acquired samples from overseas.

01:56:42.000 He was a scientist and wrote a bunch of amazing books on psychedelic drugs, and that's where he lived.

01:56:47.000 But I believe his place burnt to the ground.

01:56:50.000 Oh, that's terrible.

01:56:51.000 He would live there, and then he would, every six months, he would get on a plane and go do speaking tours.

01:56:56.000 And there's a lot of these tours.

01:56:58.000 There's a podcast called The Psychedelic Salon, and they put up those.

01:57:04.000 You can listen to most of them.

01:57:06.000 He has it up there.

01:57:07.000 Lorenzo from The Psychedelic Salon, big shout out.

01:57:09.000 He has all these conversations that McKenna had in front of a...

01:57:14.000 Audiences and conferences and debates with people. 0.96

01:57:18.000 Really, really fucking interesting dude. 0.94

01:57:20.000 And that's where he lived. 0.96

01:57:20.000 I heard his house is for sale. 0.96

01:57:22.000 I was like, oh shit. 1.00

01:57:23.000 Then I heard it burnt to the ground. 0.99

01:57:26.000 So, is that true?

01:57:27.000 Did it burn to the ground?

01:57:29.000 The only thing I can find at the moment is a Reddit thread of people saying they found it in the last two years.

01:57:35.000 They found the house?

01:57:36.000 Uh-oh.

01:57:37.000 If Reddit found it, I'm never buying it.

01:57:39.000 They're not sharing where it is.

01:57:41.000 They said, like, I found it cryptically and I found the directions.

01:57:45.000 Well, I could always ask his brother.

01:57:46.000 I'm friends with his brother.

01:57:48.000 But he was something special.

01:57:51.000 Very entertaining and interesting guy with some wild ideas.

01:57:55.000 Interesting.

01:57:56.000 He thought that people were going to create a time machine.

01:57:58.000 It's almost like they got a time machine.

01:58:00.000 I don't know.

01:58:01.000 What do you think about that?

01:58:04.000 You gave up on the aliens, you gave up on all these different things, but man, just like Biff in Back to the Future, did they steal the sports almanac and go back to time?

01:58:15.000 I don't think they did.

01:58:15.000 I think that life, reality is slippery, and we always try to control it in our head at least.

01:58:21.000 We want some order to it.

01:58:23.000 We just want some order to life.

01:58:25.000 We want it to make sense.

01:58:26.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:58:27.000 So it always feels crazy.

01:58:28.000 It always feels like, ah, maybe this is a simulation.

01:58:32.000 Or maybe life is just bananas. 0.99

01:58:34.000 Maybe life is like really fucking crazy. 0.99

01:58:37.000 That's what I'm going with. 0.98

01:58:38.000 I don't think it's a simulation.

01:58:39.000 It's pretty crazy for the animals, right?

01:58:41.000 Living in the Amazon forest or in the safari.

01:58:44.000 Yeah, it's crazy for them right now.

01:58:45.000 Their lives seem crazier than ours, so why would ours be a simulation?

01:58:49.000 I got way too down the rabbit hole with these Instagram pages that show animals killing animals.

01:58:56.000 There's so many of them.

01:58:58.000 BJ, I spent like an hour the other day on YouTube just watching animals getting taken out by other animals.

01:59:03.000 There's so many of them.

01:59:05.000 It's like an animal could just be born and- Snatch right away.

01:59:10.000 That's amazing.

01:59:11.000 That's just- It's brutal.

01:59:13.000 Life will beat you to death.

01:59:15.000 And that's what it was for most of the time when people were people.

01:59:18.000 That's what it was.

01:59:18.000 You go outside, you get eaten.

01:59:20.000 Right.

01:59:20.000 You know, stick together, be careful, carry a spear, point it out at the jungle everywhere you go, because there's always something waiting to pounce.

01:59:27.000 Because they said that people never used to live as long as us.

01:59:29.000 I mean, we weren't there, but we don't know.

01:59:32.000 Yeah, I mean, why is it...

01:59:35.000 I mean, if you really think about any kind of injury you got back then, broken leg, dead. 0.85

01:59:42.000 You're dust. 0.99

01:59:43.000 Dead. 1.00

01:59:43.000 You're dust. 1.00

01:59:44.000 Dead. 1.00

01:59:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:45.000 Tear your ACL, can't run, dead.

01:59:47.000 The elephants, they just keep walking. 0.98

01:59:50.000 Yeah, dead.

01:59:50.000 Your tribe would just keep walking and you'd go down.

01:59:53.000 You'd go down, they'd stomp you. 1.00

01:59:54.000 Dead. 0.99

01:59:55.000 Right?

01:59:56.000 You know, humans got down, there was a point in time when a supervolcano went off around Indonesia where they think humans got, was it called a toba?

02:00:05.000 Is that it?

02:00:06.000 Humans got down to somewhere in the neighborhood of like 70,000 people.

02:00:11.000 Wow.

02:00:11.000 Was it 7,000 or 70?

02:00:13.000 Wow.

02:00:13.000 5,000 people?

02:00:15.000 That's crazy to hear.

02:00:17.000 In the thousands.

02:00:17.000 That's like Noah.

02:00:18.000 That's like Noah.

02:00:19.000 The name of that race was Noah.

02:00:21.000 5,000 people.

02:00:23.000 Yeah, but that was just one moment in time.

02:00:27.000 Yeah.

02:00:28.000 Here it is.

02:00:29.000 3,000 to 10,000.

02:00:31.000 Oh, no.

02:00:32.000 Okay.

02:00:33.000 According to the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago, human population decreased to 3,000 to 10,000 surviving individuals.

02:00:43.000 Wow.

02:00:44.000 Because it could be as low as 3,000.

02:00:46.000 Yeah.

02:00:47.000 And that's just, so, if that happened, for sure people ate people.

02:00:53.000 Right?

02:00:53.000 Guaranteed.

02:00:54.000 You had to.

02:00:54.000 You get down that low, you get down that low, when people die, you gotta eat them.

02:00:58.000 Yeah, survival.

02:00:59.000 I mean, I wish we had real news.

02:01:03.000 I wish we knew what was going on around it.

02:01:05.000 And then it makes you wonder, okay, well, if we don't have real news, what's up with our history?

02:01:11.000 What's up with any history?

02:01:12.000 What's up with Hawaiian history?

02:01:13.000 What's up with Tahitian history?

02:01:15.000 What's up with any history?

02:01:17.000 We don't know anything.

02:01:19.000 There's independent people that you can trust.

02:01:21.000 That's all there is.

02:01:22.000 When something is a part of big organizations, it's reasonable to be skeptical.

02:01:27.000 I'm not saying that it's impossible for a big organization to be objective, but they're so influenced by advertisers.

02:01:34.000 They're so influenced.

02:01:36.000 They're so influenced.

02:01:37.000 They have to be.

02:01:37.000 They know where the money's coming from.

02:01:39.000 They're not going to pretend they don't know where the money's coming from.

02:01:41.000 That too.

02:01:42.000 I talk to cultural advisors all the time from Hawaii or wherever, and I say, come on, let's be real.

02:01:49.000 You know, you weren't there.

02:01:50.000 We weren't there.

02:01:51.000 We weren't there, you know.

02:01:52.000 And we can just go as far as our grandmothers and, you know, that's how far we can go.

02:01:59.000 Hawaii is a wild place, man, because it's five hours on a plane over the ocean and yet it's America.

02:02:05.000 Right?

02:02:06.000 It's wild.

02:02:07.000 And we can't drive out.

02:02:09.000 No.

02:02:09.000 We're stuck.

02:02:10.000 We're there.

02:02:14.000 But it's paradise.

02:02:15.000 They can use us as a control group.

02:02:17.000 I remember when they were offering us the...

02:02:20.000 It was like when I fought Liotto and I came back and I could be wrong, but I could be making a mistake, but I remember they were offering us the swine flu shot not too long after I got back fighting Liotto.

02:02:35.000 That was right when Obama got in.

02:02:37.000 It just made me wonder, because I was never really a flu shot guy in the first place, you know what I mean?

02:02:42.000 All of us...

02:02:43.000 I mean, you cannot set...

02:02:46.000 A sports world record unless you know about your immune system.

02:02:49.000 Unless you have some kind of knowledge.

02:02:51.000 Imagine a guy like Floyd Mayweather, what he knows about his immune system.

02:02:55.000 Every time he stepped in there, he made sure that he was ready to go.

02:02:58.000 There was nothing wrong.

02:02:59.000 Because no matter how good you feel, no matter how hard you train, you're only going to use the game plan to how you feel.

02:03:06.000 I know we planned on this, but hey, I don't feel like that right now, so we're going to do this.

02:03:10.000 You know what?

02:03:10.000 It's just life, right?

02:03:12.000 You know, you get put in those positions, but...

02:03:14.000 Well, the thing about Floyd Mayweather supposedly, and there's a thing that I tweeted the other day that was a YouTube video that I watched.

02:03:21.000 Floyd Mayweather's work ethic was insane.

02:03:24.000 Insane.

02:03:25.000 They said that dude, Zab Judah went to train with them, because they had fought, and then Zab went and was sparring for him, and when they were working together, Floyd would call him up at like 2 in the morning, let's go run.

02:03:37.000 He's like, what? 0.99

02:03:38.000 The fuck are you talking about? 1.00

02:03:39.000 Okay, let's go to the gym. 1.00

02:03:40.000 It's 2 in the morning.

02:03:41.000 He's like, 2.30 in the morning, he wanted to go to the gym.

02:03:43.000 And then, like, eight hours later, he'll call you up, let's go run.

02:03:45.000 Like, he was running twice a day.

02:03:47.000 He was running sometimes 10 miles in the morning.

02:03:50.000 Amazing.

02:03:50.000 He ran constantly.

02:03:51.000 And that's one of the things about him is, like, his cardio was off the charts.

02:03:55.000 Yep.

02:03:55.000 Floyd never gets tired.

02:03:56.000 Never.

02:03:57.000 You never see him, like, huffing and puffing.

02:03:59.000 And he beat Canelo.

02:04:01.000 Can you believe that?

02:04:02.000 He beat him clean.

02:04:03.000 Right?

02:04:03.000 He beat him pretty clean.

02:04:05.000 But he was smart, too.

02:04:06.000 With that bang.

02:04:06.000 Yep.

02:04:07.000 He made Canelo get down to 152. Remember that?

02:04:10.000 Smart, man.

02:04:10.000 Yeah.

02:04:11.000 Very smart.

02:04:12.000 When you think about Canelo Bival...

02:04:15.000 Who's Canelo Bival?

02:04:16.000 No, Canelo's fighting Bival.

02:04:18.000 Bival is...

02:04:19.000 Never heard of Bival.

02:04:20.000 He is...

02:04:21.000 I want to say...

02:04:23.000 He's a cruiserweight champion?

02:04:26.000 Is he a cruiserweight champion or a light heavyweight?

02:04:28.000 No, he's light heavyweight, I believe.

02:04:30.000 I believe he's light heavyweight champion.

02:04:32.000 Is that correct?

02:04:34.000 Dimitri Bival.

02:04:36.000 Light heavyweight champion.

02:04:37.000 I heard they were talking about Canelo and Usman or whatever.

02:04:41.000 Yeah, they were talking about that.

02:04:42.000 But MMA, it's truly the only sport because...

02:04:46.000 Like, George Masvidal was like, oh, Usman still is not a real puncher, or he still is not a real striker, even though Usman did catch Masvidal, and he's the only guy to put Masvidal down.

02:04:59.000 But MMA is just such a crazy sport that he might be kind of right by saying he's not really a full striker yet, but he knocked him out.

02:05:08.000 I couldn't believe that when George got knocked out, because that was the first time ever.

02:05:11.000 Were you there?

02:05:12.000 Yes.

02:05:12.000 Wow.

02:05:13.000 One punch.

02:05:14.000 I think Usman, in terms of like welterweight, he's going to go down as one of the greats.

02:05:19.000 Because he's doing an Anderson Silva type run right now.

02:05:24.000 He's already almost caught up to GSP. If he's not the greatest of all time, he's in the conversation.

02:05:29.000 Like when you look at all time greats, like I don't see a person at 170 that's ever lived that I think is a favorite against Usman.

02:05:37.000 I've never seen that person.

02:05:38.000 I've never seen that person.

02:05:39.000 You're right about that.

02:05:40.000 They might exist, but I've never seen them.

02:05:43.000 Right.

02:05:43.000 You know?

02:05:43.000 I mean, we were worried maybe it would be Hamzat.

02:05:45.000 Like, Hamzat seemed like he was that guy.

02:05:46.000 But he just jumped right into the deep water with Gilbert.

02:05:49.000 Yeah.

02:05:50.000 But if you look at the difference in their performances, and I know you can't do MMA math.

02:05:53.000 It doesn't really work that way.

02:05:54.000 But if you did look at the way Usman handled Gilbert.

02:05:58.000 Compared to Hamzat. 0.96

02:05:59.000 Hamzat got in real trouble.

02:06:00.000 Yeah.

02:06:01.000 Makes you wonder.

02:06:02.000 Usman keeps getting better, man.

02:06:04.000 And he can punch now.

02:06:05.000 One punch. 0.94

02:06:07.000 Masvidal.

02:06:08.000 The coach, he's in Colorado, right?

02:06:10.000 Yes.

02:06:10.000 Trevor Whitman.

02:06:11.000 Trevor Whitman.

02:06:12.000 He's doing a great job. 1.00

02:06:12.000 Trevor Whitman's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:06:13.000 Yes, he is. 1.00

02:06:14.000 That guy's a wizard too.

02:06:15.000 He's got Rose too, right?

02:06:16.000 Yes.

02:06:16.000 Yes, he's amazing.

02:06:18.000 He's made a better MMA glove.

02:06:21.000 I don't know if you've seen it.

02:06:22.000 Really?

02:06:22.000 Yeah.

02:06:22.000 Onyx, his company.

02:06:24.000 But you don't poke people's eyes?

02:06:25.000 No, it's like you're curled into a fist.

02:06:27.000 It protects your hand better too.

02:06:29.000 Okay.

02:06:29.000 And it's a more dense foam.

02:06:31.000 So it's the same weight, but it's superior construction.

02:06:34.000 Nice.

02:06:34.000 I put it on and I was like, dude, this is the best MMA glove I've ever felt.

02:06:38.000 And he's a genius with that shit. 0.99

02:06:40.000 And I don't know why the UFC hasn't adopted it. 0.99

02:06:42.000 I want to send them this afterwards. 0.99

02:06:43.000 You need to get these fucking gloves. 0.99

02:06:45.000 They're the best gloves. 1.00

02:06:46.000 They're better for the fighter's hands.

02:06:48.000 They're better for fights.

02:06:49.000 I think there's a real possibility that they can eliminate a lot of eye pokes.

02:06:53.000 Because they cause you to curve.

02:06:55.000 You can open them up if you need to grapple, but they cause you to curve instead of You'll tell me.

02:07:01.000 A lot of the UFC guys say that the gloves almost feel like they're opening you up.

02:07:04.000 You can't grab anything.

02:07:06.000 Once you tape your hands, your grappling is done.

02:07:08.000 You're basically like this at that point.

02:07:11.000 You know?

02:07:12.000 Unless you have giant hands.

02:07:14.000 Like some dudes.

02:07:14.000 Remember Lesnar?

02:07:15.000 Yeah, Lesnar.

02:07:17.000 But Verdoom with a guard.

02:07:18.000 They had to get him a triple X glove or something.

02:07:21.000 Well, you know his gloves are bigger?

02:07:22.000 Shane Carwin's.

02:07:24.000 Really? 0.99

02:07:24.000 Bro, Shane Carwin looked like a fucking comic book superhero when I met him. 0.99

02:07:29.000 Shane Carlin. 0.99

02:07:30.000 Where is he from?

02:07:31.000 Is he from Texas?

02:07:32.000 Colorado.

02:07:33.000 Okay.

02:07:33.000 He's a Denver guy.

02:07:34.000 Okay.

02:07:35.000 He trained with Schaub, and when he was the interim champion, dude, I don't know what year this was.

02:07:41.000 I was living in Colorado, so I guess it was 2009, and I was doing jiu-jitsu at Amal Easton's place, and I look up from the mat and there's this dude who walks in who doesn't even look real.

02:07:54.000 He looks like if the thing from Fantastic Four was a person.

02:07:59.000 He's that big because he's in between fights.

02:08:01.000 He's like 300 pounds.

02:08:02.000 I wonder when Shane Carwin first fought in the UFC. I think he'd already fought in the UFC by then.

02:08:09.000 But he was so big.

02:08:10.000 Look at the size of his hands.

02:08:12.000 That's Shane's hand on the right and Brock's hand on the left.

02:08:15.000 But that's a bad perspective because Brock's hand is turned slightly sideways.

02:08:21.000 Brock's whole first round against Shane was like the biggest man in the world on his back.

02:08:25.000 Just covering up.

02:08:27.000 Dude, if Shane just paced himself and didn't like completely empty the tank, he would have stopped him.

02:08:32.000 Yeah.

02:08:33.000 He just got so excited that he emptied the gas tank trying to put him away.

02:08:36.000 If not for that, Shane Carlin would have been the heavyweight champion of the world.

02:08:39.000 More fights have been lost by doing that than anything else.

02:08:42.000 Another thing I always hated too was like using your legs like a triangle or an armbar or trying to do some submission and then the round ends and then now you got a fight and your legs have nothing.

02:08:53.000 Yeah.

02:08:54.000 Yeah.

02:08:55.000 You want to look in your corner and be like, no, I want to fight.

02:08:57.000 Just my legs, my body count.

02:08:59.000 I want to fight more.

02:09:02.000 Yeah, when a guy jumps on a guy's back and tries to, like, ride his back and hold on and take his back from behind, like, boy, if you don't get that one, if you don't get that one, that's so much squeezing.

02:09:13.000 Oh, standing up, you're talking, yes.

02:09:14.000 That's so much squeezing.

02:09:15.000 100%.

02:09:16.000 That's a big one.

02:09:17.000 Yeah.

02:09:18.000 Yeah, sometimes guillotines, right?

02:09:19.000 Or a darsk, they go for it. 1.00

02:09:21.000 Any of those.

02:09:22.000 And they just blow their arms out.

02:09:25.000 Yeah, really, man.

02:09:26.000 That's stuff you really gotta be accounted for.

02:09:28.000 Yeah.

02:09:29.000 When you're in the ring.

02:09:30.000 How much different was that for you when you were incorporating that crazy strength and conditioning routine?

02:09:35.000 Was that where it made the difference, like in those moments?

02:09:38.000 You know, yeah, I guess.

02:09:40.000 I think it made the difference in the speed.

02:09:42.000 In the speed.

02:09:43.000 The speed was everything.

02:09:45.000 Because of all the plyometric drills?

02:09:48.000 He would call it stretch speed or something.

02:09:50.000 And he's like, don't stretch too much because you want your tendons to be able to react back.

02:09:56.000 Your ankle will go like this.

02:09:58.000 But you don't want to always stretch too much.

02:10:00.000 You want to always be able to reflex.

02:10:03.000 That's what he was all about.

02:10:05.000 He was all about moving your body as fast as you possibly can.

02:10:10.000 That's what Marinovic was about.

02:10:11.000 He had those different things where you throw the things off and push them with your legs.

02:10:16.000 It makes sense as long as you have the kind of technique that you had.

02:10:20.000 But in the process of developing technique, it's like how much time do you spend with that kind of strength and conditioning versus how much time do you spend learning technique?

02:10:30.000 Well, there you go.

02:10:30.000 I mean, sooner or later you're going to have to go and shoot some baskets.

02:10:35.000 How are you going to get better at surfing?

02:10:36.000 Sooner or later you're going to have to paddle out.

02:10:38.000 Well, look at a guy like Anderson in his prime.

02:10:41.000 Now, imagine if you don't have this kind of skills that Anderson has in his prime, but you're in really, really good shape.

02:10:46.000 That's not going to help you. 0.99

02:10:47.000 You're just going to be the best-shaped guy at the club getting his butt kicked. 0.99

02:10:52.000 You're just going to get beat up for a little while longer. 0.99

02:10:55.000 Yeah.

02:10:56.000 That's all it's going to be.

02:10:57.000 You're going to survive for a little while longer while Anderson tunes you up.

02:11:01.000 You need skills.

02:11:03.000 Skills are the most important thing.

02:11:05.000 And the one thing you can't improve no matter how much time you do it is getting hit.

02:11:09.000 You don't get better from getting hit.

02:11:11.000 You get worse.

02:11:12.000 We've seen how many jaws crack.

02:11:14.000 Yeah, a lot.

02:11:15.000 Right?

02:11:16.000 And then boom, it cracks and you're like, oh.

02:11:18.000 They keep throwing that little rock at the glass and then a crack and then it cracks.

02:11:24.000 Who's the most durable and resilient guy that's ever fought in the sport in terms of longevity?

02:11:28.000 There's only one answer.

02:11:32.000 Longevity.

02:11:33.000 Let's hear it.

02:11:33.000 Andrei Orlovsky.

02:11:34.000 Oh, that I cannot believe.

02:11:37.000 Cannot believe.

02:11:38.000 Because he started with me.

02:11:40.000 He's still winning.

02:11:41.000 And he's still going.

02:11:42.000 He's still winning.

02:11:43.000 I cannot believe.

02:11:44.000 Andrei Orlovsky looks great.

02:11:45.000 I bow to you, Andrei.

02:11:47.000 You are amazing.

02:11:48.000 You inspire all of us every day.

02:11:50.000 Come on, man.

02:11:51.000 Andrei Orlovsky was the UFC heavyweight champion in the world.

02:11:54.000 And what year was that?

02:11:57.000 What year was that?

02:11:58.000 He defended against Paul Buentello.

02:12:00.000 I remember that.

02:12:01.000 What year was that?

02:12:02.000 He won it against Sylvia.

02:12:03.000 Right.

02:12:03.000 And he defended against Buentello.

02:12:05.000 Then he might have lost it to Sylvia.

02:12:06.000 I want to say that was like 2003. Yup.

02:12:09.000 What a great...

02:12:11.000 He's amazing.

02:12:12.000 It's amazing.

02:12:13.000 And then he went to...

02:12:14.000 He was in New Mexico. 0.99

02:12:15.000 Bitch, this is 20 years we're talking now. 1.00

02:12:17.000 20 years in the UFC. He's still knocking people out. 1.00

02:12:19.000 Insane.

02:12:20.000 Insane.

02:12:21.000 He made it a career.

02:12:22.000 2005. He made it a career.

02:12:24.000 So it's been 17 years.

02:12:27.000 Wait, he started fighting UFC 2005?

02:12:29.000 Was that his debut?

02:12:31.000 UFC 28. Before me.

02:12:33.000 That was in 2004. So he debuted in 2004, the champion in 2005. But my first fight was 2001. Oh, yeah.

02:12:42.000 What was his debut?

02:12:44.000 2004 was his debut.

02:12:46.000 UFC 28 was 2000, actually, it says.

02:12:49.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, because I was UFC 32, which was 2001. Yeah.

02:12:55.000 Wow.

02:12:56.000 Amazing resilience.

02:12:57.000 Belarus.

02:12:58.000 I mean, that dude has been around, son.

02:13:00.000 Yes, it's not even a question.

02:13:03.000 Andrzej Olofsky.

02:13:04.000 He is...

02:13:05.000 He fought everybody!

02:13:06.000 He is the...

02:13:08.000 The quintessential.

02:13:09.000 And he's still winning.

02:13:11.000 That's what's crazy. 0.99

02:13:12.000 He's got to look at me and say, MMA's an opportunity by ass, BJ. This is my career. 0.97

02:13:17.000 It is for him.

02:13:19.000 For him.

02:13:20.000 He fights on Saturday night.

02:13:21.000 He fights Saturday night on the Font vs.

02:13:23.000 Verify.

02:13:23.000 That's a good card, too.

02:13:25.000 I like that card.

02:13:27.000 Imagine.

02:13:27.000 He's so amazing, this guy.

02:13:29.000 It's incredible.

02:13:30.000 That is incredible.

02:13:31.000 He's too amazing.

02:13:33.000 33 and 20. Proud of this guy.

02:13:36.000 It's just the enthusiasm still there.

02:13:39.000 The records show nothing.

02:13:40.000 The records, like you said, it's on the day when that happens, right?

02:13:45.000 Yeah, on the day.

02:13:46.000 You have to look at the overall body of work, but you also really have to look...

02:13:49.000 I mean, when I talk about greatness, that's what I like to concentrate on.

02:13:53.000 I mean, there's a lot of amazing fights and there's a lot of amazing fighters and great wars and everything.

02:13:58.000 But there's something about extraordinary greatness when a guy just has total domination over a division.

02:14:03.000 And you had that.

02:14:05.000 And George had that.

02:14:06.000 And there's a few guys that have had that over time.

02:14:10.000 Usman has that right now.

02:14:11.000 Mighty Mouse had that.

02:14:12.000 There's a few guys.

02:14:14.000 Izzy has that.

02:14:16.000 You've beaten everybody in the division.

02:14:18.000 You're kind of owning the division.

02:14:20.000 That's a rare gem of a fighter.

02:14:23.000 And my thought is to always analyze those people at their peak of power and destruction.

02:14:30.000 And you get to watch them.

02:14:32.000 Like Stylebender versus Paulo Costa.

02:14:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:14:36.000 He's at the peak of his powers.

02:14:37.000 Exactly.

02:14:38.000 Just full wizardry in effect.

02:14:40.000 Right.

02:14:40.000 You know, just putting on a show against the most dangerous guy in the division, the scariest guy in the division, just lights him up like a Christmas tree.

02:14:46.000 Right.

02:14:47.000 Does whatever he wants to.

02:14:48.000 I like Stylebender.

02:14:49.000 Love Stylebender.

02:14:50.000 Yeah.

02:14:50.000 But his technique, it's a rare thing when a guy gets to what we're talking about when someone's just dominating a division.

02:15:00.000 That's a special kind of athlete to be able to do that.

02:15:03.000 Because what did everybody say when Anderson was dominating his division?

02:15:09.000 Oh, well he doesn't have a strong division.

02:15:11.000 But he made it not look like a strong division.

02:15:14.000 He fought good guys.

02:15:15.000 I mean, it is true.

02:15:16.000 You are who you fight and that's why Ali was so lucky to have Frazier and Norton and Foreman and have all these guys.

02:15:25.000 And Anderson, remember when he jumped around and then when Carlos Newton shot at him and he kneed him in pride?

02:15:30.000 He was just dancing around, moving, moving, moving.

02:15:32.000 And boom! 0.98

02:15:33.000 That's the setups that you were talking about.

02:15:36.000 When you were talking about his setups and I was thinking about when he kneed Carlos.

02:15:41.000 Yeah, he was phenomenal.

02:15:43.000 He was such an animal.

02:15:44.000 He was so good.

02:15:45.000 And it's just, I think that what we're all doing is, as fans, we're observing it, and as guys like you are participating in excellence in a discipline. 0.93

02:15:57.000 And this discipline is fucking people up.

02:15:59.000 And it's a complicated discipline, and everybody approaches the discipline differently. 0.99

02:16:03.000 You know, Brock Lesnar was like, ground and pound, smash, get you to the ground, beat the fuck out of you.

02:16:07.000 You know, and Olivera, real technical with his strikes, nasty submissions.

02:16:12.000 I love Olivera and I tell him all the time, I say, because I always see him with Makako and I always tell him, I say, I said, you know what I love about you, Charles?

02:16:22.000 You always stayed with Makako. 0.66

02:16:24.000 Never left.

02:16:25.000 And us being Jiu Jitsu guys, we know what that's about, being a Kroochi and stuff. 1.00

02:16:29.000 And Makako always looks at me and he nods his head because he knows that we're from that generation.

02:16:33.000 Yeah.

02:16:34.000 Right?

02:16:35.000 But ever back then, it was little gangs, like the Jiu Jitsu gang, the wrestling gang, the kickboxing gang.

02:16:41.000 It was all a bunch of gangs and everybody carried their own flag.

02:16:46.000 Yep.

02:16:46.000 It was different than it is now.

02:16:49.000 And I think, imagine getting into this now.

02:16:52.000 I mean, where would you start?

02:16:53.000 Where do you begin?

02:16:55.000 Yeah, where would you start?

02:16:56.000 It seems a lot more scary.

02:16:57.000 For me, I was like, oh, I had it easy, man.

02:17:00.000 Everybody was just starting out, you know? 0.97

02:17:02.000 These guys are crazy.

02:17:04.000 If you started out from the beginning, like say if you were a young kid, if you wanted to coach a young kid, would you say go to an MMA gym or would you say specialize in something first?

02:17:13.000 Like while you're young, specialize in jujitsu, specialize in kickboxing, get really good at that.

02:17:19.000 Specialize in wrestling, get really good at that. 0.81

02:17:21.000 Then you can go start learning all that other shit, but you'll always have that one strength over people. 0.94

02:17:26.000 That's what I've always said my whole life, but I don't know now. 0.97

02:17:30.000 I don't know if a guy like Trevor Whitman can just train a kid, you know what I mean, and grab him and just take him and just take him all the way.

02:17:37.000 But I always used to say before, find what you like the most.

02:17:41.000 What do you like?

02:17:41.000 Do you like striking or you like grappling?

02:17:43.000 Which one you like the most?

02:17:44.000 Okay, you like wrestling.

02:17:45.000 Okay, try to become an Olympic wrestler.

02:17:47.000 Go do that. 0.52

02:17:48.000 Try to go to college.

02:17:49.000 Go do that as far as you can.

02:17:50.000 And then when you're done doing that, when you're done with that dream, start to add everything else.

02:17:55.000 That's what I would think before because that's what I did, right?

02:17:57.000 I did jiu-jitsu until I was a world champion.

02:17:59.000 I tried to add everything else.

02:18:01.000 Am I slowing the guy down by doing that now?

02:18:03.000 I don't know.

02:18:04.000 I think I would have to sit and talk to people.

02:18:07.000 I'd talk to you.

02:18:08.000 I'd talk to Eddie.

02:18:09.000 I'd talk to all of these guys.

02:18:11.000 I'd talk to Perillo.

02:18:12.000 I'd go talk to Trevor Whitman.

02:18:13.000 I'd talk to Javier.

02:18:15.000 You know, I don't know.

02:18:16.000 We have to take into consideration people's physical limitations too, right?

02:18:19.000 Well, that too.

02:18:20.000 That's a fact.

02:18:21.000 That's a fact.

02:18:22.000 If you're training someone from the jump, there's no real guarantee that they're ever going to be really good.

02:18:27.000 That's why I don't train people.

02:18:28.000 Because they've got to leave you anyway.

02:18:31.000 To be the best, they've got to leave you.

02:18:32.000 And here you were just putting everything into them.

02:18:35.000 You know what I mean?

02:18:36.000 And you're going to have to be nice and bid them a nice farewell because they've got to learn more than what you have to teach.

02:18:43.000 Especially if your income relies on them.

02:18:48.000 That too.

02:18:49.000 You need fighters to pay you because that's how you make a living. 0.85

02:18:51.000 Right.

02:18:52.000 There's a few guys that seem to have a fantastic relationship with their pupils like Farasa Habi.

02:18:59.000 He's got a fantastic relationship with all his fighters and I love the way he runs his gym.

02:19:04.000 He's such a philosophical guy.

02:19:06.000 Yes.

02:19:07.000 A perspective in these fighters just from the way he carries himself and the way he can...

02:19:13.000 I mean, he's like one of the...

02:19:14.000 Have you ever sat down and had a conversation with him?

02:19:16.000 Just a little bit here and there, but I love Farad.

02:19:19.000 Yes, he is very articulate like that.

02:19:21.000 He's a brilliant, brilliant guy, and that's why he's so good as a coach.

02:19:23.000 I have so much respect for the MMA coaches, and I tell Jason Perillo all the time, I said, hey, we started together, but look at you, man.

02:19:32.000 You're out there swimming.

02:19:33.000 I think it's harder to be an MMA coach and make a living and pay your rent than the fighter himself.

02:19:38.000 You've got to count on somebody else to go out there and perform.

02:19:41.000 Yeah, he went through, he was with me, then he got Michael Bisping to the championship, then he got Chris Cyborg to the championship, now Chi Tovero is working his way up.

02:19:50.000 Mackenzie Derns with him.

02:19:51.000 Mackenzie, yep, and...

02:19:52.000 Yeah, Chito Vera's with him all the time.

02:19:54.000 Chito Vera's fighting Rob Font this weekend.

02:19:56.000 Wow.

02:19:56.000 That's a serious fight.

02:19:57.000 Yes, that is a serious fight.

02:19:59.000 That's a serious fight.

02:19:59.000 Those are two hungry guys.

02:20:01.000 I'm fired up for that fight.

02:20:02.000 That's hunger.

02:20:03.000 That's hunger right there, those two guys. 1.00

02:20:05.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:20:05.000 That's a great fight. 1.00

02:20:06.000 And it's a headliner on ESPN+. Because God throws you out there and it's like sink or swim.

02:20:12.000 And I'm like, man, Jason Perillo, he's swimming out there.

02:20:15.000 Look at this guy.

02:20:16.000 Super well respected.

02:20:17.000 That's why I was with him.

02:20:19.000 Yep.

02:20:19.000 And...

02:20:20.000 It's just amazing, these coaches.

02:20:23.000 They know a lot.

02:20:24.000 Yeah, they gotta put so much in a fighter.

02:20:26.000 When you find some kid, you don't know if he can take a shot.

02:20:29.000 You don't know.

02:20:30.000 There's so many things.

02:20:31.000 You don't know what happens when the heat gets turned up to nine.

02:20:34.000 You gotta weed them out right away.

02:20:35.000 Okay, get in here right now. 0.93

02:20:37.000 Go ahead, go, go.

02:20:38.000 You want to fight?

02:20:39.000 You step in the ring right now.

02:20:40.000 Let's see it.

02:20:41.000 Well, BJ, one of the things that Mike Tyson was talking about was when he met Customato, that Customato also worked with him under hypnosis.

02:20:49.000 And so he coached him and put him in a state of hypnosis and would coach him and talk to him about mindset and get him programmed.

02:20:58.000 Wow.

02:20:59.000 And then also physically super crazy gifted, right?

02:21:03.000 Yeah.

02:21:04.000 He told me he was 13 years old.

02:21:07.000 He was almost 200 pounds.

02:21:10.000 He was in the 190's at 13 years old.

02:21:12.000 He goes, and jacked! 0.99

02:21:14.000 So he was fucking kids up that were like, they had no business being in there with him. 0.99

02:21:20.000 And then on top of that, he's got Customato who's coaching him on psychology. 0.98

02:21:26.000 Customato was the guy who said, fear is like fire. 1.00

02:21:31.000 It could be your friend, it can cook your food, or it could burn your fucking house down. 1.00

02:21:35.000 Yep. 1.00

02:21:37.000 Fear is like fire. 1.00

02:21:38.000 I don't think you said fucking. 1.00

02:21:38.000 Yeah, fear is like fire. 1.00

02:21:40.000 Yeah.

02:21:41.000 That was one of the phrases that Cuss would say. 0.98

02:21:45.000 And to have Mike Tyson run into Cuss D'Amato right when he was maturing, too.

02:21:49.000 He was 13 years old.

02:21:50.000 So he's physically maturing.

02:21:52.000 And then he's with this real psychological wizard who's an amazing boxing coach.

02:21:57.000 And he raises him to become one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.

02:22:00.000 I mean, that movie...

02:22:02.000 Yeah.

02:22:03.000 I know they're doing a movie with Jamie Foxx.

02:22:05.000 Jamie Foxx is playing Mike Tyson.

02:22:06.000 That's amazing.

02:22:07.000 That's crazy, right?

02:22:08.000 That's crazy.

02:22:09.000 That is amazing.

02:22:11.000 Because Will Smith was the last, was Ali, right? 0.93

02:22:14.000 He did a great job as Ali.

02:22:15.000 He did.

02:22:16.000 He did a great job.

02:22:17.000 I like that.

02:22:18.000 And you could tell he did a lot of boxing.

02:22:20.000 Like, his hands look good.

02:22:21.000 Right?

02:22:22.000 His hands look good.

02:22:23.000 His hands look good the other night.

02:22:24.000 Ha ha! 0.86

02:22:26.000 I think that needs some work.

02:22:29.000 You didn't even stagger Chris Rock.

02:22:32.000 Everybody always says, you know why I hit Chris Rock?

02:22:36.000 Because it wasn't The Rock.

02:22:38.000 Yeah, could you imagine?

02:22:40.000 Come on, man.

02:22:41.000 Come on.

02:22:42.000 There's not a chance in hell.

02:22:44.000 That was just so crazy.

02:22:46.000 So crazy to do.

02:22:47.000 Such a crazy thing to think you could get away with.

02:22:50.000 You know what?

02:22:51.000 I was actually...

02:22:52.000 I know I got this whole governor thing going, so it's always...

02:22:55.000 I always talk about it all the time, but I was actually filming a show when Nate Diaz came on and Bam Bam Baklava.

02:23:04.000 Yeah.

02:23:04.000 He came on the show.

02:23:06.000 Action Bronson.

02:23:07.000 Yeah, Action Bronson and this other comedian from Hawaii, Lanai, and it was called The Regimen where we go around and so James Lurice, he shot it for us and And they're trying to do something with it.

02:23:21.000 But we would go around to all the different fighters and kind of just talk to them about their regimen for their life.

02:23:26.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:27.000 And what they do now.

02:23:30.000 And sitting down with Nate, he gave me a lot of info.

02:23:33.000 He was like...

02:23:34.000 And he told me a lot of stuff.

02:23:36.000 I go, how'd you get into this and that?

02:23:37.000 And he was like, well, when my mom would... 0.97

02:23:42.000 Let us go with her brother while she went to work because the brother was a track and field coach at the gym that they were at the Stockton or whatever at the high school and that's how they got into all that you know conditioning you know the Diaz brothers crazy conditioning stuff right yeah so I never really knew about that you know it's kind of generational their conditioning right what makes sense now after watching them Beat everybody's ass in the fifth round.

02:24:07.000 Yeah, they were doing all kinds of crazy triathlons and cycling events and swimming from Alcatraz.

02:24:14.000 Nick swam back and forth at the last time I was in contact with him.

02:24:18.000 He said it was five times.

02:24:19.000 Wow.

02:24:20.000 Five times he swam from Alcatraz.

02:24:22.000 I wouldn't jump in that water.

02:24:24.000 Dude, people get chopped in half in that water.

02:24:29.000 He was in Hilo, he was staying with me for a couple weeks in Hilo, went down the YPO Valley and stuff, and he was just trying to get his head right.

02:24:36.000 First of all, what if you get run over by a boat?

02:24:39.000 Any of that stuff.

02:24:40.000 I mean, I know the odds are small, but don't the odds get greater as you get closer and closer to the water?

02:24:46.000 Or to the shore, rather?

02:24:48.000 Like, if you jump from Alcatraz and you go straight through, aren't there boats going through that?

02:24:52.000 There's boats going through that, BJ. I don't know how he wouldn't be scared of the sharks.

02:24:56.000 Fuck, man, what about the boats? 1.00

02:24:57.000 The boats, any of that. 1.00

02:24:59.000 I would be worried about some drunk dude playing Billy Joel down in Pabst Blue Ribbons and he's going to butcher you with a fucking propeller. 1.00

02:25:08.000 Man. 1.00

02:25:09.000 Fuck that, dude. 1.00

02:25:11.000 Yep. 1.00

02:25:12.000 Captain Jack will get you.

02:25:15.000 Runs right over you.

02:25:17.000 I would definitely worry about sharks, too, though.

02:25:19.000 Yeah.

02:25:19.000 But in that area, it's like a great white breeding ground.

02:25:22.000 That's what it means. 1.00

02:25:23.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:25:23.000 Nixon animal. 1.00

02:25:24.000 Nixon animal.

02:25:25.000 Five times. 0.86

02:25:25.000 He's an animal, that guy. 0.86

02:25:26.000 Five times. 0.93

02:25:27.000 At least.

02:25:28.000 That was the last time I was in contact with him.

02:25:30.000 Wow.

02:25:31.000 Because I said he did it two times, and he messaged me.

02:25:33.000 Nope, five times. 1.00

02:25:34.000 I was like, oh, shit. 1.00

02:25:36.000 Five times. 1.00

02:25:37.000 No, five times.

02:25:38.000 Five times.

02:25:39.000 That means he did it three more times since the last time I heard about it.

02:25:42.000 Such a beast.

02:25:43.000 Yeah, him and his brother.

02:25:44.000 I wonder what they're going to do with Nate.

02:25:46.000 I wonder what's going to be the comeback fight.

02:25:48.000 Right?

02:25:48.000 Because he's talking about trying to get out.

02:25:50.000 Yeah.

02:25:50.000 Right?

02:25:51.000 I think if they give him the right money, I think he'll stay.

02:25:53.000 Yeah, of course.

02:25:54.000 I think he'll stay, if he wants to keep fighting.

02:25:57.000 Whether or not he wants to keep fighting.

02:25:58.000 There's only one place for us to fight, and that's in the UFC. Man, is that good?

02:26:04.000 What?

02:26:05.000 Is it good that there's only one place to fight?

02:26:07.000 Or would it be better if there was a real viable option?

02:26:10.000 You don't think Bellator's a totally viable option?

02:26:14.000 I think...

02:26:15.000 Well, they were just in Hawaii this last weekend, and I had a great time at the show.

02:26:20.000 Of course...

02:26:20.000 You know who I think is right there?

02:26:21.000 Of course I wish that there was people that they could...

02:26:23.000 Remember I went to K1 for a little bit?

02:26:25.000 Yes, I do.

02:26:26.000 They were paying me big money.

02:26:27.000 Yeah.

02:26:27.000 You know, they were paying me big money.

02:26:29.000 Yeah, but I'm just glad you came back.

02:26:30.000 Oh, I'm so happy I came back. 1.00

02:26:32.000 Yeah, when you came back, you went on a fucking rampage. 0.99

02:26:34.000 And a lot of people don't, like... 0.99

02:26:36.000 When I won the lightweight belt, that was kind of towards the end of my career.

02:26:40.000 That wasn't towards the beginning.

02:26:42.000 I kind of had like two or three kind of mixed up careers here and there.

02:26:46.000 There's guys over at Bellator that I go, man, that guy, like here's one, Musasi.

02:26:53.000 Mousasi and Stylebender.

02:26:54.000 We want to watch that. 1.00

02:26:56.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:26:57.000 We want to see it. 0.99

02:26:58.000 I did not like watching Mousasi go over to Bellator for that reason.

02:27:03.000 Because I knew Stylebender was so good and Mousasi so good.

02:27:07.000 I think when I watch Mousasi, I go, man, that guy might be the best.

02:27:12.000 He's up there.

02:27:13.000 He's up there.

02:27:14.000 When he was in the UFC, when he beat Weidman, he beat a lot of people.

02:27:17.000 He's elite.

02:27:18.000 Yes.

02:27:19.000 Yes, he can fight with Stylebender.

02:27:23.000 That's the fight we want.

02:27:24.000 It would be fascinating, for sure. 0.99

02:27:25.000 It's an exciting matchup, because he's a real fucking... 0.99

02:27:30.000 Real veteran. 0.99

02:27:31.000 He really isn't.

02:27:32.000 Real veteran.

02:27:33.000 Did you see the Austin Vanderford fight?

02:27:35.000 Is that who he did?

02:27:36.000 Yeah, he just...

02:27:37.000 Did he wipe him out?

02:27:39.000 Yeah, he wiped him out.

02:27:41.000 He clipped him early, hurt him, rocked him, smashed him, and he just buzzsawed him.

02:27:45.000 He was there from the Pride days.

02:27:47.000 He's been around a long time, dude.

02:27:48.000 And he still seems pretty hungry, actually.

02:27:50.000 Still seems very hungry.

02:27:51.000 I think he's making good money.

02:27:53.000 I think Bellator's taking care of him.

02:27:55.000 Right?

02:27:56.000 Yeah, he's still got his hunger.

02:27:58.000 You know who had the hunger forever was Bisping.

02:28:00.000 And then he came back and won that belt. 1.00

02:28:03.000 With one fucking eye. 1.00

02:28:05.000 We're talking about having the hunger. 1.00

02:28:06.000 Bisping fought ten fights with one eye, BJ. Ten fights.

02:28:11.000 Bisping and Matt Serra was the two guys I called personally and said, I wouldn't rather have anyone else be the champion than you guys.

02:28:18.000 That's awesome.

02:28:18.000 I loved it when Serra was the champ and when Bisping was the champ.

02:28:22.000 I was very happy for Michael because, you know, that was like, it could have eluded him.

02:28:26.000 He might have had to retire. 1.00

02:28:27.000 The guy hung in there with one fucking eyeball. 1.00

02:28:29.000 I don't think people understand how crazy that is. 0.99

02:28:32.000 Not just to fight with one eyeball, but fight in the UFC. The best fighters.

02:28:36.000 To fight Anderson Silva with one eyeball.

02:28:39.000 So he basically said everybody after that Vitor fight, he was blind in that eye.

02:28:43.000 That Vitor fight, when Vitor hit him with that head kick?

02:28:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:28:46.000 From then on, his eye was fucked. 0.99

02:28:49.000 Bunch of operations, never got his vision back. 0.99

02:28:51.000 Now it's completely gone.

02:28:52.000 Once I got the cataract, I don't even know if I won since I got the cataract surgery 10 years ago.

02:28:59.000 Because I ended up getting a cataract.

02:29:02.000 Do you think, is cataract something that you get just...

02:29:05.000 It's from fighting.

02:29:06.000 Gotta be from fighting.

02:29:07.000 It said like on the prednisone, like, oh, you could get a cataract, but I'm just like...

02:29:10.000 And I was taking it at the time, but I think it's from getting hit in my eye.

02:29:15.000 For sure.

02:29:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:29:17.000 And then...

02:29:19.000 I did a lot of acupuncture and stuff, and it brought my eye back.

02:29:23.000 I could read and everything, because it looked like a kaleidoscope at first for a while.

02:29:27.000 It came back, I could read, but I didn't do as much.

02:29:30.000 This part was the problem, I think, with that perception.

02:29:34.000 So this eye would be like that.

02:29:36.000 So I'd kind of try to use this eye, and maybe I would square myself up.

02:29:40.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:29:41.000 But let's just say I got old and started getting my ass kicked. 1.00

02:29:45.000 That's enough. 0.99

02:29:45.000 Well, the interesting thing is why I asked you at what year you started to feel, how old you were when you started to feel the decline. 0.99

02:29:53.000 What you said was indicative of what we used to think of fighters.

02:29:57.000 We used to think fighters hit like 33, 34, they start going downhill, 35, 36, 37, 38. You get to like 38, 39 as a professional boxer.

02:30:07.000 Not a lot of guys in that area.

02:30:09.000 Not a lot of guys.

02:30:10.000 There's a few George Foreman's, there's a few rare.

02:30:12.000 Sergio Martinez was at one point in time.

02:30:15.000 He was like fairly advanced in age and really good.

02:30:18.000 But after you get like in the late 30s, it's like there's something going on clearly for most people.

02:30:23.000 But for guys that were on the sauce, that's where it got weird because they could keep going.

02:30:28.000 Yeah, that's where it got weird, and that's where we got confused, and that's why I thought it was a career.

02:30:34.000 I'm over here taking the light force, you know what I mean?

02:30:38.000 And I'm in my 20s, and I'm gassing out, and everybody's still going.

02:30:42.000 That is the difference.

02:30:43.000 You fought natural.

02:30:45.000 You know, you fought natural at a time where very few people did, and we both know that.

02:30:49.000 You know, without accusing anybody.

02:30:50.000 It was just a fact.

02:30:51.000 We don't have to accuse nobody.

02:30:52.000 It was just a fact.

02:30:53.000 Everybody knew it.

02:30:54.000 Everybody knew there was certain camps that had even hired doctors that would make sure they get tested clean.

02:31:01.000 That's what I couldn't believe when the doctors started showing, oh, this is my doctor.

02:31:05.000 Doctors in the camp.

02:31:06.000 Yes.

02:31:07.000 There were certain guys that had a lot of money and they wanted to ensure that they had the competitive advantage.

02:31:13.000 They thought about it the same way cycling teams thought about juicing up Lance Armstrong.

02:31:17.000 I remember when I was going to fight Dennis Seaver and I worked out and stuff, but I didn't care.

02:31:24.000 I was just drinking, just hanging out.

02:31:27.000 I show up to the fight.

02:31:28.000 I didn't even care about it.

02:31:30.000 It was towards the end of my career.

02:31:31.000 I show up to the fight and I see Dennis Seaver and I go...

02:31:35.000 I'm going to win.

02:31:36.000 Look at him.

02:31:36.000 He looks like he's done.

02:31:38.000 We went to the weigh-in and then he had a doctor and the doctor did introduce himself.

02:31:45.000 I'm the doctor for the team or whatever. 0.99

02:31:47.000 But I saw him and I was like, I'm going to kill him. 0.99

02:31:50.000 I don't even care how I trade for this fight. 0.98

02:31:52.000 I do my flex and everything.

02:31:54.000 When I walked into the ring, I couldn't even believe the guy saw on the other side, how much bigger he was.

02:31:59.000 And I was getting older towards 38 or 40, but I wasn't afraid of nobody.

02:32:05.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:05.000 Like, oh, he looks a lot bigger, but...

02:32:07.000 Let's go.

02:32:08.000 Let's do this.

02:32:09.000 But just thinking, you know, about all that, like having a doctor and all that.

02:32:12.000 But I remember thinking at the weigh-in when I saw him, I said, I'm going to win.

02:32:16.000 It doesn't matter how I trained.

02:32:18.000 And then when I saw him in the ring, it was just two different, two different people.

02:32:22.000 Did you not train as hard as you would have liked for that fight?

02:32:25.000 Towards the end, I guess, it just...

02:32:28.000 He didn't have the enthusiasm.

02:32:30.000 Yeah, and you're like, hey, you could train real hard and lose.

02:32:33.000 And you could not train real hard and lose.

02:32:36.000 It just got, yeah, but we know.

02:32:38.000 But you see how the brain changes.

02:32:41.000 And I would say what changed is when I was a kid, this is all I wanted.

02:32:46.000 All I wanted.

02:32:48.000 And then I had those things.

02:32:50.000 Now I wanted more.

02:32:51.000 I wanted more cake.

02:32:53.000 Come give me more. 0.80

02:32:55.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:56.000 But...

02:32:57.000 But were you willing to do what it took?

02:33:03.000 But even if I did, I mean, still I was older and these kids are younger.

02:33:09.000 It just is what it is.

02:33:11.000 It just is what it is.

02:33:11.000 I got no complaints either way.

02:33:13.000 No matter what I did, no matter what happened, No matter any of the controversial stuff that ever happened in my whole career, I love everybody.

02:33:21.000 I love everybody.

02:33:22.000 I love everybody who punched me, everybody that let me punch them, all of my friends and foes.

02:33:29.000 Someone should do a special and just call it Prime.

02:33:34.000 And look at the elite of the elite fighters in their prime.

02:33:38.000 In their prime.

02:33:39.000 Just only look at, I mean, whether it's Ernesto Hoost over in K1. Yes.

02:33:44.000 Or whether it's, you know, George St. Pierre when he was a welterweight champion.

02:33:47.000 Like, look at people when they're in their prime.

02:33:49.000 Look at you when you were the lightweight champion in your prime.

02:33:52.000 Look at Anderson when he was middleweight champion in his prime.

02:33:55.000 And just analyze how exceptional these performances were.

02:34:00.000 And just do like a breakdown of the evolution of...

02:34:03.000 Of martial arts, of mixed martial arts, because it's one of the rare sports, PJ, where we were there.

02:34:09.000 We saw it early on.

02:34:10.000 Right.

02:34:11.000 I mean, I watched my first one when I was 94, and it was at a video store.

02:34:15.000 I got it at a video store, like, right after it came out, they released it as a video.

02:34:17.000 I didn't watch it live, and it was like UFC 2. And then, from then on, I've been watching.

02:34:23.000 I think that was my—the first fight I ever saw was Pat Smith sitting on— And boom, boom, boom, and that elbow.

02:34:28.000 With that ninja guy.

02:34:29.000 Yes.

02:34:29.000 Remember that guy was practicing ninjutsu?

02:34:31.000 And we don't know much about him because he's a ninja.

02:34:34.000 Isn't that what they said?

02:34:36.000 Yeah.

02:34:37.000 Well, he was doing all these ninja warm-up moves in the video.

02:34:41.000 Scott Morris or something, right?

02:34:44.000 I think that was his name.

02:34:47.000 I don't remember.

02:34:48.000 But that was wild.

02:34:50.000 And I remember the elbow one.

02:34:52.000 Yep.

02:34:52.000 Because I talked to Remco on Instagram here and there.

02:34:56.000 Remco Pardue.

02:34:56.000 Yeah.

02:34:57.000 And I go, hey, I think that might have been the first fight that I saw.

02:35:00.000 That was against Orlando Witt.

02:35:02.000 Yeah.

02:35:02.000 Remember, Orlando Witt was a badass Muay Thai fighter.

02:35:04.000 He was, right?

02:35:05.000 Was he good?

02:35:06.000 I didn't know about him.

02:35:07.000 He was very good.

02:35:07.000 Okay.

02:35:07.000 From Europe.

02:35:09.000 He was a Europe guy.

02:35:09.000 Okay.

02:35:10.000 I think he was...

02:35:10.000 I want to say Holland?

02:35:12.000 I might be wrong.

02:35:13.000 Okay.

02:35:13.000 I don't remember, but he was a very good Muay Thai guy.

02:35:15.000 And he looked great, but Remco got him in like...

02:35:18.000 And he was huge, Remco.

02:35:19.000 ...Judo side control. 0.86

02:35:20.000 And just blasted him. 0.95

02:35:22.000 Right? 0.63

02:35:22.000 Yeah. 0.63

02:35:22.000 That was crazy. 0.63

02:35:23.000 Do you remember when Ramko fought Marco Huas and Marco Huas got mounted and he just tapped?

02:35:28.000 Because back then, everybody thought if someone mounted you, it was over.

02:35:31.000 Right.

02:35:32.000 Remember those days?

02:35:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:35:33.000 Oh, I forgot that he fought Marco.

02:35:35.000 Marco just mounted him and he tapped.

02:35:37.000 Was that when Marco kicked Paul Varlin's legs?

02:35:39.000 Yes.

02:35:39.000 The same tournament?

02:35:40.000 I don't know if it was the same tournament, but that was that era.

02:35:43.000 Remember Marco, they had three question marks on his age?

02:35:46.000 Like he'd walk in, they wouldn't say his age.

02:35:49.000 His age, he would tell you he was vain.

02:35:52.000 Right?

02:35:52.000 He looked like he stepped right off a beach.

02:35:55.000 Marco Huas, he had a perfect body.

02:35:58.000 Perfectly tanned.

02:36:00.000 Beautiful man. 1.00

02:36:01.000 Big giant guy with huge fucking hands and huge feet. 1.00

02:36:05.000 Marco Huas was the shit. 1.00

02:36:07.000 Yup, he was. 1.00

02:36:08.000 He was the shit. 1.00

02:36:09.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:36:10.000 Come on, son.

02:36:11.000 With the Speedos. 0.99

02:36:13.000 Get the fuck out of here, man. 1.00

02:36:15.000 Marco Huas was the fucking man. 1.00

02:36:17.000 An animal. 1.00

02:36:19.000 Yeah, Marco Ulas was the man.

02:36:20.000 And we all wanted to see him fight Hickson and all that, remember?

02:36:23.000 Yep.

02:36:23.000 Well, he was the first guy that showed us that you could utilize leg kicks and stop a guy and chop him down.

02:36:28.000 We didn't even know that.

02:36:29.000 Yeah, he was really the first guy.

02:36:30.000 And then Maurice Smith did it.

02:36:32.000 Oh, yeah.

02:36:33.000 Then we got to see, ooh, this is a real elite-level kickboxer doing it.

02:36:36.000 And then Maurice survived against Coleman, won the decision.

02:36:39.000 Yes.

02:36:40.000 Right?

02:36:41.000 I was there for that.

02:36:42.000 Wow.

02:36:42.000 Yeah, that was back when I was doing the post-fight interviews.

02:36:45.000 Okay.

02:36:45.000 I remember I couldn't believe it.

02:36:47.000 I couldn't believe it.

02:36:47.000 Maurice was talking to him while he was kicking him.

02:36:50.000 He was like, ground and pound me, Mark. 0.82

02:36:51.000 Come on, ground and pound me. 1.00

02:36:52.000 Whack! 1.00

02:36:53.000 Ground and pound me. 0.66

02:36:54.000 And he was like, moving in front of him, whack! 1.00

02:36:56.000 And Mark was like, motherfucker. 1.00

02:36:58.000 Right? 1.00

02:36:58.000 He just kept slamming him with those shins. 1.00

02:37:00.000 The jiu-jitsu guys came, then the wrestlers came, then the strikers came.

02:37:04.000 Well, the era of Mark Coleman, that was a big deal.

02:37:07.000 That was. 0.99

02:37:07.000 Because Mark Coleman was 265 and fucking... 0.99

02:37:12.000 When Mark Coleman entered the scene, everybody got bigger. 0.99

02:37:16.000 Everybody gained weight.

02:37:17.000 Everybody got bigger.

02:37:18.000 Everybody was lifting weights. 1.00

02:37:19.000 You had to keep that fucking gorilla off you. 1.00

02:37:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:37:22.000 That was during the headbutts, no gloves days.

02:37:25.000 Mark was telling me, Mark and Kerr, he was telling me, yeah, me and Kerr and Kevin, everybody were hanging out and we were all jacked and we were getting ready for the Olympic trials and then we saw...

02:37:35.000 And then we saw Kurt Angle walk in and then we saw Kurt Angle jacked bigger than us and then we all put our head down and knew we were done.

02:37:45.000 They couldn't get one over on Kurt anymore.

02:37:47.000 That's hilarious.

02:37:48.000 That's hilarious.

02:37:50.000 Dude, guys like him and Dan Severn, those early wrestlers, so important.

02:37:54.000 What about Severn?

02:37:55.000 Severn's still around.

02:37:56.000 Severn has a podcast with Don Frye.

02:37:58.000 He seemed pretty natural to me, Severn.

02:38:01.000 I mean, I don't know.

02:38:02.000 Yeah.

02:38:02.000 I mean, as far as his look.

02:38:03.000 He seemed very natural.

02:38:04.000 Very natural.

02:38:05.000 Yeah, I don't know either.

02:38:05.000 But I don't think he ever took anything.

02:38:07.000 I bet he didn't. 0.97

02:38:08.000 But he was a beast.

02:38:09.000 He knew how to wrestle. 1.00

02:38:10.000 Fuck yeah, he did. 1.00

02:38:11.000 Right? 1.00

02:38:11.000 And he was the first guy we ever saw get tapped in a triangle. 1.00

02:38:14.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

02:38:16.000 And then the first guy we ever saw a tap from that tube.

02:38:18.000 That's right.

02:38:19.000 Coleman got him.

02:38:20.000 He tried to dig his eyes and everything.

02:38:22.000 Yeah, Coleman got him in that judo side control.

02:38:25.000 Yeah, but imagine like jujitsu, like a jujitsu black belt versus a jujitsu blue belt.

02:38:31.000 Like that's how we would have to think that Coleman was so good at that time at wrestling that there was no way Severn would have been able to stop his takedowns.

02:38:39.000 He was so good at wrestling and he was ridiculously strong.

02:38:42.000 Danny was hungry.

02:38:43.000 And that was a no-glove fight.

02:38:46.000 Yeah, right?

02:38:46.000 It was a no-glove fight.

02:38:48.000 You could headbutt back then.

02:38:49.000 It was very different.

02:38:51.000 You wore shoes.

02:38:52.000 Mark tells me till today, BJ, I never thought they'd take out the headbutt.

02:38:57.000 I never thought in my wildest fight.

02:38:58.000 I never thought they'd take out the headbutt, bro. 0.99

02:39:00.000 Yeah, he was the king of the head bus because he would get on top of you and your guard, man, your guard had to be on point because Mark was trying to smash you with his fucking forehead. 0.99

02:39:08.000 Yep. 0.99

02:39:09.000 And when you got a guy who's that big, as big as Mark, with a neck like my waist, he was just slamming into your fucking face with his forehead. 0.99

02:39:17.000 That doesn't hurt his forehead. 1.00

02:39:19.000 It sure as hell fucks up all this shit, though. 1.00

02:39:22.000 If he's headbutting your nose and your mouth, that's a real weapon. 1.00

02:39:25.000 Imagine 265 coming at you, holding you against the fence.

02:39:26.000 Let me ask you this, BJ. Why is it okay to elbow someone in the face, but it's not okay to headbutt?

02:39:33.000 Legitimately, I want to know.

02:39:34.000 I think it's for the people outside the ring. 1.00

02:39:37.000 Fuck those people. 1.00

02:39:38.000 Fuck those people. 1.00

02:39:39.000 We're here to find out who's the best. 1.00

02:39:40.000 We're here to find out who's the best.

02:39:42.000 We're here to tell those people how it's supposed to be done.

02:39:44.000 This is what the sport is.

02:39:46.000 Stop pussying it up while they're still allowed to knee people in the face and shin people in the face and elbow people in the face. 0.83

02:39:52.000 It's crazy.

02:39:53.000 I think when the UFC came out, reality television was out and was big and the UFC was the reality sport for the generation.

02:40:03.000 Yeah, it was perfect timing, right?

02:40:04.000 Yeah, it lined up perfectly.

02:40:06.000 It was really promoted on the internet.

02:40:08.000 On those forums and all those different things.

02:40:10.000 Well, once the Ultimate Fighter broke out and that big fight between Stefan Bonner and Forrest Griffin in the finals were such a wild fight.

02:40:21.000 Everybody was calling their friends up. 0.99

02:40:22.000 They said, I forget what the numbers were, but at one point in time, it was millions of people were watching it on Spike TV because people had called their friends and go, you You gotta watch this shit. 1.00

02:40:31.000 It's crazy. 0.99

02:40:32.000 And that took the sport off.

02:40:33.000 And that was 2005. That Horace Griffin stuff modified it really did.

02:40:38.000 Is Spike TV dead now?

02:40:40.000 Spike TV's gone.

02:40:41.000 Wow.

02:40:42.000 The UFC left.

02:40:43.000 They changed it to the Paramount Network.

02:40:46.000 Right?

02:40:47.000 And I don't know if that's still around.

02:40:48.000 But it's a completely different format.

02:40:50.000 Interesting.

02:40:51.000 Than it was.

02:40:53.000 But having that opportunity to get it on television and to do it through a reality show at the time where reality shows were at their peak, it was perfect.

02:41:02.000 It was perfect.

02:41:03.000 It was perfect.

02:41:04.000 It just aligned.

02:41:04.000 The stars aligned.

02:41:06.000 And we were waiting for it all this time because...

02:41:09.000 You know, nobody knew that I beat Matt.

02:41:11.000 After the Ultimate Fighter came out, then I'm walking down the road, hey, it's the guy that beat Matt Hughes.

02:41:16.000 I'm like, nobody knew that for five years.

02:41:19.000 When was the first Matt Hughes fight?

02:41:21.000 What year?

02:41:22.000 That was 2005. Wow.

02:41:25.000 Yeah.

02:41:26.000 So that's when everybody got to know.

02:41:28.000 Well, when you watch The Ultimate Fighter, one of the cool things about it is you got to see what a camp of guys training together would look like.

02:41:37.000 You got to see all the psychological dynamics that happen in camps.

02:41:41.000 And they were sleeping in the same house and have to eat food and then go fight each other. 1.00

02:41:47.000 And they were fucking with each other's food and shit. 1.00

02:41:50.000 It's the emotional fatigue. 1.00

02:41:53.000 That's what gets everybody.

02:41:55.000 Because you train for hours and you train thousands of hours for this 15 minutes.

02:42:00.000 Why are you tired?

02:42:02.000 How could you possibly be tired?

02:42:04.000 Yeah, your mind.

02:42:05.000 It's your mind.

02:42:06.000 Anxiety.

02:42:07.000 Betch Cohea just talked about that.

02:42:09.000 She just retired.

02:42:12.000 And one of the things she retired about was the psychological burnout was so real.

02:42:17.000 The antidote for anxiety is confidence.

02:42:21.000 And I wish I even knew this sooner, but when I would go to family court, I'm like, oh man, I just made a bad mistake.

02:42:29.000 I hope I don't, you know, have to get more supervision on my kids or anything.

02:42:34.000 And I'd be so anxious and have anxiety to go to family court.

02:42:37.000 And then I would tell myself, no, I'm going to win tomorrow.

02:42:41.000 I'm going to win when I get in court.

02:42:43.000 And they would calm me and relax me.

02:42:45.000 So I just, you know, the antidote for anxiety is confidence.

02:42:49.000 Yeah, but that works on you because you have a history of winning.

02:42:51.000 Yeah.

02:42:52.000 I don't know if that works on everybody.

02:42:55.000 Someone who's never won before. 1.00

02:42:56.000 If you never won shit, you're like, I'm going to fucking win, bro. 1.00

02:42:58.000 You're going to get knocked out. 1.00

02:42:59.000 Get out of there. 1.00

02:43:01.000 You've never won shit. 1.00

02:43:03.000 That's the fucking brutal reality of life. 1.00

02:43:06.000 It's not even. 0.99

02:43:07.000 It's not fair.

02:43:08.000 Of those, like you said, and that's why Joe Rogan watches all those safari videos.

02:43:14.000 I do.

02:43:14.000 Because that's the reality of life.

02:43:16.000 And the animals, what's amazing is they don't feel sorry for themselves.

02:43:21.000 They just sit there and they're just going and they're just doing their best.

02:43:23.000 You know what's different?

02:43:25.000 Predators.

02:43:25.000 Predators fight back.

02:43:26.000 Predators are horrified when they're getting eaten.

02:43:29.000 It's interesting.

02:43:31.000 They react so much different. 1.00

02:43:33.000 They put their butt down because they don't want to get their balls bitten off, right? 0.99

02:43:36.000 You always see them doing that, right? 1.00

02:43:37.000 Yeah.

02:43:38.000 When you see a predator getting eaten by another predator, it's wild.

02:43:41.000 I was watching this video the other day where a crocodile grabbed, I guess it was a jaguar.

02:43:47.000 Jaguar or a leopard.

02:43:48.000 I guess it was a leopard because it would have been in Africa.

02:43:50.000 But a crocodile grabbed a leopard. 1.00

02:43:51.000 I'm like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

02:43:54.000 Right? 1.00

02:43:54.000 This thing thinks it's a cat. 1.00

02:43:56.000 Running around there, eating things, and it got a little too close to the water, and this fucking crocodile just leaps out, snatches it, and drags it into the water. 0.99

02:44:04.000 It's wild. 0.99

02:44:06.000 That's great. 1.00

02:44:06.000 I watch that shit all the time. 1.00

02:44:07.000 I'm gonna go Google that. 1.00

02:44:08.000 I'm gonna go Google that.

02:44:09.000 Oh, maybe Jamie will pull it up.

02:44:10.000 Well, maybe...

02:44:11.000 There's probably multiple...

02:44:12.000 Yep, I think this is it.

02:44:14.000 He's trying to get that...

02:44:15.000 Yeah, he's trying to get whatever that dead thing is.

02:44:17.000 Oh, that ain't it.

02:44:19.000 It was a much bigger one.

02:44:21.000 This is a leopard trying to steal its food.

02:44:23.000 The one that I saw was it actually killed the leopard.

02:44:26.000 It dragged the leopard into the water. 0.60

02:44:28.000 It was a big crocodile and the leopard was not that big.

02:44:31.000 Because even the lions go after the crocodiles, the alligators sometimes, right?

02:44:35.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:44:36.000 Lions and the crocodiles.

02:44:37.000 You might not be able to find it.

02:44:40.000 What is that?

02:44:41.000 It's like a photo.

02:44:42.000 They'll kill the crocodile on land. 1.00

02:44:44.000 Oh yeah, they kill him. 1.00

02:44:45.000 They sneak up behind him and they get their back. 0.90

02:44:47.000 Jump on him, right?

02:44:48.000 Yeah, they get their back.

02:44:48.000 See how he was eating that?

02:44:50.000 Go back to that.

02:44:51.000 He was in the middle of eating it and it flinched.

02:44:53.000 Look, it moved.

02:44:54.000 Oh, it's a crocodile.

02:44:55.000 Took it from him.

02:44:57.000 So is that a...

02:44:58.000 What is that?

02:44:59.000 Oh, that's like an antelope.

02:45:00.000 I thought he was eating a crocodile.

02:45:02.000 I was confused. 1.00

02:45:04.000 That's such shit resolution. 1.00

02:45:05.000 I couldn't even see what he was eating. 1.00

02:45:08.000 That's alright.

02:45:08.000 Don't worry about it.

02:45:09.000 But the point was that this leopard had gotten too close and this crocodile just snatched him right out of the river and it was wild.

02:45:16.000 That's the story of life.

02:45:18.000 That's the story of life right there.

02:45:20.000 Do you think that as a fighter you experience life in a different frequency than most people?

02:45:26.000 The amount, the intensity of your life, particularly while you were the champion, particularly while you were on that reign of terror.

02:45:33.000 What was your reign of terror, if you had to give it a time frame?

02:45:38.000 I felt like I had two careers.

02:45:40.000 One was when I beat Matt Hughes.

02:45:42.000 I fought Gomi and then took that to fighting Laoto Machida. 0.89

02:45:46.000 Then I came back into the UFC. When did you fight Ludwig?

02:45:49.000 Did you fight Ludwig during that same time?

02:45:50.000 Right before Machida I fought Ludwig.

02:45:52.000 And then I came back into the UFC and that was my second career in the UFC. But you were better.

02:45:57.000 I mean, you were always wild, but you were even better.

02:46:01.000 You kept getting better and better.

02:46:03.000 When I see Sean Shirk fight and Diego Sanchez fight, I'm like, I put that BJ Penn up against almost anybody who's ever lived.

02:46:10.000 That was the hungriest.

02:46:11.000 That's what I always said.

02:46:11.000 That was the hungriest.

02:46:12.000 You could see it in those days.

02:46:14.000 There was those days where you...

02:46:15.000 I don't think there's especially one, but the Diego was even more impressive because the pace you fought at.

02:46:23.000 Because you had problems at some fights with endurance, and you had none in that fight.

02:46:28.000 You had a wild pace, man.

02:46:30.000 And Diego, who's known for his fitness, was the one that was backing up constantly, and he was the one who was in trouble.

02:46:37.000 And you just put it on him, man.

02:46:41.000 One of the things that Steve Maxwell had said, he was a guy who trained Diego in strength and conditioning.

02:46:47.000 He's an amazing strength and conditioning coach.

02:46:50.000 He said that for certain fights like that, it's almost a bad thing to be in good shape because you're just going to get a beating longer.

02:46:58.000 He said that.

02:46:58.000 There's a lot of truth to that.

02:46:59.000 A lot of truth.

02:47:01.000 Because Diego was so determined to not go down.

02:47:05.000 Has there ever been a dude who has more dog in him than Diego Sanchez?

02:47:08.000 I couldn't believe when I rocked him the first one and he went down and I hit him like, must have been 20 or 30 times as hard as I could.

02:47:15.000 And then he got up.

02:47:17.000 I was like, what?

02:47:18.000 And I'm like, well, I'll just do this all night then.

02:47:20.000 Okay.

02:47:21.000 Because you get nervous too, right?

02:47:23.000 I can't believe you did that.

02:47:24.000 Well, okay, let's just keep doing this.

02:47:26.000 Did you think at those moments when you really hit the gas, do you think, okay, now I got to back off?

02:47:33.000 Do you go, okay, this guy's still here.

02:47:35.000 Let me keep testing him.

02:47:37.000 In that fight, you didn't have to worry about your fitness at all.

02:47:40.000 Only killer instinct is what you think.

02:47:42.000 I'm going to get him. 1.00

02:47:43.000 I'm going to kill his... 0.99

02:47:44.000 That's why that strength and conditioning program for you is so important. 0.99

02:47:48.000 Because you didn't have to think in any other way.

02:47:50.000 You could just go for it.

02:47:51.000 And you knew you had this crazy gas tank.

02:47:53.000 And the skills are always there.

02:47:55.000 The natural attack instinct is always there.

02:47:57.000 And it's almost more than knowing you have a crazy gas tank.

02:48:01.000 Just forgetting about tiredness.

02:48:03.000 Don't think about it.

02:48:04.000 You can just fight.

02:48:06.000 That makes sense.

02:48:07.000 Because during those days...

02:48:08.000 But again, the Sean Shirk fight, I think, was in that league. 0.97

02:48:11.000 You fucked him up when he was at the top of his game, too.

02:48:15.000 But like you said, I think the stressors that we have been through in our lives is... 0.97

02:48:24.000 It takes us to a higher level.

02:48:26.000 And I remember it was Gilbert Melendez's boxing coach.

02:48:29.000 I met him through a couple other friends, Dr. Pete and different people.

02:48:33.000 He had a gym that was for businessmen, but they did MMA training.

02:48:37.000 And it was to up their thresholds of what they can take and what they can handle.

02:48:42.000 Whether it's giving up.

02:48:43.000 I can't do quitting.

02:48:45.000 Sparring or whatever it was.

02:48:48.000 There's a lot to that.

02:48:50.000 We have ups and downs all day, every day.

02:48:54.000 But we've had some ups and downs in our lives.

02:48:56.000 All of us have.

02:48:58.000 Being around martial arts and being in a stress situation and being able to push through.

02:49:05.000 coaches, you know, there was this bill that they were trying to pass in Hawaii that would give coaches salary for schools instead of them just being volunteer and and and it's true We have to raise warriors.

02:49:17.000 We have to raise people because is the math teacher and the science teacher going to say, hey, come on, and inspire you and say, get up, you can bust through that line and you can do these things, you know?

02:49:27.000 But there's a lot of value in the people that want to coach for free.

02:49:30.000 I'm not saying they shouldn't be compensated, but if something is an amateur thing and someone can afford to coach for free, there's a lot of guys out there that really enjoy doing that.

02:49:40.000 100%.

02:49:40.000 There is.

02:49:41.000 I'm not saying they shouldn't get money.

02:49:43.000 And those guys should still be around if they want to go in and add.

02:49:46.000 You know what I mean?

02:49:47.000 I mean, there's obviously coaches that get paid.

02:49:50.000 Man, when you're getting into a thing like MMA, it's such a big sport now. 0.97

02:49:56.000 But when you get down to like the lower levels, like some shit is very Bush League. 0.88

02:50:00.000 Like the way they match people up, you know what I mean? 0.98

02:50:04.000 100%.

02:50:04.000 Like you have to sell tickets.

02:50:06.000 Like Bobby Green was explaining that shit to us. 0.99

02:50:09.000 That you'd have to sell a certain amount of tickets in order to be able to fight. 0.98

02:50:12.000 So like they give you like, BJ, you want to fight on my card?

02:50:15.000 You'd have to sell like 50 tickets.

02:50:16.000 But you got to go sell those.

02:50:18.000 That's crazy.

02:50:19.000 Right?

02:50:20.000 That's crazy.

02:50:20.000 No, it is very Bush League.

02:50:22.000 There's a lot of that shit out there. 1.00

02:50:23.000 There is. 1.00

02:50:24.000 And that's why we gotta love the UFC. Yes.

02:50:26.000 Right?

02:50:27.000 For sure.

02:50:27.000 They do.

02:50:28.000 For sure.

02:50:28.000 You might have liked what you got paid, but you got your money.

02:50:31.000 You're never gonna say that you didn't get your money.

02:50:33.000 They always give you your money.

02:50:34.000 Always.

02:50:35.000 I had that very conversation with a coach about that today.

02:50:38.000 Yeah, that's a fact.

02:50:38.000 One of his fighters was talking about boxing.

02:50:41.000 And he said, listen, you need to understand that the amount of people that get that big payday is very small.

02:50:45.000 And you need to understand that a lot of these guys, they get into lawsuits.

02:50:48.000 Like right now, Logan Paul still hasn't got paid for Floyd Mayweather.

02:50:52.000 Mike Tyson had some real serious issue about his money.

02:50:55.000 Roy Jones Jr. had some serious issue about his money.

02:50:58.000 There's problems with boxing and money with the wrong promoters, right?

02:51:03.000 You get with the right promoters, everything's smooth, develop a nice relationship.

02:51:06.000 You never hear about Canelo not getting paid. 0.99

02:51:08.000 Canelo gets fucking paid. 0.98

02:51:10.000 The Gypsy King gets paid. 1.00

02:51:11.000 But there's some scumbags out there in all sports businesses. 0.97

02:51:16.000 I remember always hearing about that in Japan. 0.98

02:51:18.000 Like, BJ, if you're leaving UFC and you're going to go fight over there, make sure you get your money when you step into the ring.

02:51:23.000 Well, how about Bob Sapp?

02:51:25.000 They didn't even let him sign a contract. 0.99

02:51:26.000 He's like, I'm not fighting unless you give me a fucking contract. 0.99

02:51:29.000 And they're like, fight first, then contract. 0.99

02:51:31.000 And he was like, uh-uh.

02:51:32.000 And so they canceled the headliner event. 0.99

02:51:34.000 And Bob Sapp was fucked after that. 0.98

02:51:36.000 It became a real problem. 0.98

02:51:38.000 I remember me, Gary Goodridge, and Bob Sapp were standing in the back for K1 Heroes.

02:51:42.000 And Bob Sapp is crying and nervous in the back because he didn't want to go out and fight.

02:51:46.000 He was scared.

02:51:47.000 Wow.

02:51:47.000 And Gary Goodridge is like, come on, Bob.

02:51:49.000 Get up.

02:51:50.000 Be a man.

02:51:51.000 Get out there.

02:51:52.000 Let's go.

02:51:53.000 And I'm like, look at these guys.

02:51:55.000 And these guys are 300 pounds.

02:51:56.000 And I'm like...

02:51:57.000 But I wasn't scared.

02:51:58.000 I was ready, you know?

02:51:59.000 I knew I was there.

02:52:01.000 But it's just interesting, the different mindsets.

02:52:04.000 I was like, I wish I was as big as you, Bob.

02:52:08.000 Imagine what would happen.

02:52:09.000 That's hilarious.

02:52:12.000 Oh my god, he was so big too.

02:52:14.000 He was.

02:52:15.000 He was a big guy.

02:52:17.000 He was big.

02:52:17.000 But remember when Mirko Krokop knocked him out with one punch?

02:52:20.000 Right.

02:52:21.000 Mirko Krokop is probably at least 100 pounds lighter than him.

02:52:25.000 Well, he's another guy too where you gotta say in his prime.

02:52:28.000 In his prime.

02:52:28.000 Yeah, in his prime.

02:52:29.000 Like when he knocked out Vanderlei.

02:52:30.000 How about when he KO'd Vanderlei with that high kick?

02:52:32.000 Yep. 0.99

02:52:33.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:52:34.000 Like certain fights like Fedor, Krokop. 0.99

02:52:39.000 Yep.

02:52:41.000 Jon Jones, Cormier.

02:52:43.000 Noguera and his prime.

02:52:45.000 Yes, the two top guys fighting.

02:52:48.000 I didn't sit down and watch the Kamzat fight, but I probably would have, because that's all I care about now. 0.99

02:52:55.000 Like, okay, the two best in the world are going to be in the ring on that day.

02:52:58.000 Okay, maybe I'll come watch.

02:52:59.000 If not, I don't watch like I used to.

02:53:01.000 Did Noguera fight Fedor after he fought Bob Sapp?

02:53:07.000 Because if that's true...

02:53:08.000 I think he fought him three times is why.

02:53:11.000 The first time did he fight him after Bob Sapp?

02:53:13.000 Because the Bob Sapp fight was when he was the champion, right?

02:53:16.000 It took out of both guys.

02:53:18.000 And there's a lot of truth to that when they say that.

02:53:20.000 Noguera, the pile driver in the beginning.

02:53:22.000 Right?

02:53:22.000 There's a lot of truth in the animal kingdom and in everywhere.

02:53:25.000 If you're walking through the forest, why fight with the other toughest guy?

02:53:29.000 You guys are both not going to be the same after.

02:53:31.000 Even if you win.

02:53:33.000 Just go eat the little animal over there. 1.00

02:53:35.000 Why is the jaguar going to go fight the panther or whatever?

02:53:38.000 Because he wants to spread that seed.

02:53:39.000 Yeah, that too.

02:53:40.000 He wants his babies to survive.

02:53:42.000 That too. 1.00

02:53:43.000 That's what's fucked about animals. 0.98

02:53:43.000 But you've got to choose on the right day. 0.98

02:53:46.000 Animals, they have a ruthless system.

02:53:48.000 When the male animal conquers, he kills all the babies that the other male left behind.

02:53:54.000 That's what's wild.

02:53:55.000 They know what they're doing.

02:53:56.000 They're trying to protect their genetic heritage.

02:53:58.000 And that's the competition.

02:54:00.000 How do they know that?

02:54:01.000 BJ, I don't think it's much different than the competition to be the lightweight champion.

02:54:05.000 I think it's the same kind of thing.

02:54:06.000 How did BJ know he wants to be the light? 0.99

02:54:08.000 How did BJ know he has to kick all of their asses to get the belt? 1.00

02:54:11.000 Same way. 1.00

02:54:12.000 Imagine if you have a pride alliance. 0.97

02:54:14.000 That's your community.

02:54:15.000 That's your world, right?

02:54:16.000 Your world is the United States and the rest of the world that can watch you fight.

02:54:20.000 But the people or the things that are watching a lion fight are just the other lions. 1.00

02:54:25.000 So there's a certain amount of lions, and one decides he's the motherfucker. 0.97

02:54:29.000 So he has to attack the other lion, and then maybe lions jump in and help him and kill the old lion, and then he takes over the throne. 0.99

02:54:37.000 And then he has to control that situation, and the first thing he's going to do is kill that lion's babies. 0.94

02:54:43.000 Right? 1.00

02:54:44.000 Yep. 1.00

02:54:44.000 Just run around and kill all his sons. 1.00

02:54:46.000 Because they will grow up, like every movie that we've ever watched, they will grow up and kill you. 1.00

02:54:50.000 The male, unless it's his babies, it doesn't have a chance. 0.99

02:54:54.000 Yeah.

02:54:54.000 His babies are the only ones.

02:54:55.000 Yep.

02:54:56.000 He does not want any other male babies around. 1.00

02:54:58.000 It's a fuck, ruthless shit. 1.00

02:54:59.000 It's amazing. 1.00

02:55:00.000 Nature's so ruthless.

02:55:01.000 And he's not going to be like the stepfather.

02:55:04.000 Nope.

02:55:04.000 You know, my daughter tells me the other day, Dad, a stepdad is a man who stepped up.

02:55:10.000 I go, you're right.

02:55:11.000 Stepdad's a man who stepped up.

02:55:13.000 Yeah.

02:55:14.000 You know, but that's not going to be the lion's job.

02:55:16.000 Not in the lion world. 1.00

02:55:17.000 There's no step to fuck all that Lion King shit. 1.00

02:55:19.000 They're ruthless. 1.00

02:55:21.000 Right?

02:55:21.000 They're so ruthless.

02:55:22.000 They are.

02:55:23.000 And you ever seen a lion's head up close?

02:55:25.000 You're like, it's so big.

02:55:26.000 Right?

02:55:27.000 Yeah.

02:55:28.000 It's so big.

02:55:29.000 It's so much bigger than you think it is.

02:55:31.000 You know what?

02:55:32.000 You're making a good point talking about that.

02:55:35.000 You ever seen a lion's head up close?

02:55:37.000 They're so big, BJ. Amazing.

02:55:40.000 They're so big.

02:55:40.000 It's such a big animal.

02:55:42.000 And what is it?

02:55:43.000 He's not the biggest animal in there.

02:55:45.000 He's not the fastest.

02:55:46.000 He's not the biggest because that's the elephant.

02:55:47.000 He's not the fastest.

02:55:49.000 But he's mine.

02:55:50.000 He's the enforcer.

02:55:51.000 He's the enforcer.

02:55:52.000 But he's the toughest.

02:55:52.000 That's what's wild.

02:55:54.000 It's really the only animal that you can point to where the females do the majority of the hunting. 0.98

02:56:00.000 Yeah, right?

02:56:01.000 They go off and they go and hunt.

02:56:03.000 Because with wolves, they all hunt together.

02:56:04.000 But they all hunt.

02:56:06.000 Like, males hunt.

02:56:07.000 Females hunt. 1.00

02:56:08.000 They all hunt.

02:56:09.000 But not with lions.

02:56:11.000 The females hunt. 1.00

02:56:12.000 He just relaxes.

02:56:14.000 He just hangs back and waits.

02:56:18.000 He just waits.

02:56:19.000 When it's time to come to visit my bedroom, then you guys come back with the food and I'll be sitting right there.

02:56:24.000 Well, it's also the fighting thing.

02:56:26.000 That's why he's got all that fur.

02:56:27.000 That crazy mane is to protect his neck.

02:56:30.000 That's what that's for. 0.99

02:56:31.000 To protect his neck, give you a mouthful of hair before you can get to his jugular.

02:56:36.000 Right.

02:56:37.000 Which is so crazy.

02:56:38.000 That's amazing.

02:56:39.000 It's amazing.

02:56:40.000 Yeah.

02:56:41.000 And it's an amazing world we live in.

02:56:43.000 It's an amazing world.

02:56:45.000 But it'd be better if people had more rights. 0.99

02:56:48.000 It'd be better if people weren't fucked with by the government. 0.99

02:56:51.000 Right, BJ? Yeah. 1.00

02:56:52.000 And people always say, what's your platform?

02:56:55.000 What's your platform?

02:56:56.000 And we want less government.

02:56:59.000 We want less taxes.

02:57:01.000 We want less regulations.

02:57:02.000 Did you just say recreational marijuana?

02:57:03.000 That's what I heard.

02:57:05.000 I'm not against recreational marijuana.

02:57:07.000 I'm for it.

02:57:08.000 Yeah, I'm for marijuana.

02:57:12.000 I'm for hemp also.

02:57:13.000 But you know what else you're for?

02:57:15.000 Discipline and hard work.

02:57:16.000 And those are the two things that get thought of as mutually exclusive.

02:57:20.000 People want to think of potheads as being lazy.

02:57:23.000 It's not true.

02:57:24.000 No.

02:57:25.000 It's not true.

02:57:26.000 This isn't the land of handouts.

02:57:29.000 It's the land of opportunity.

02:57:31.000 And that's why we're here.

02:57:33.000 But what marijuana's benefits are is it's great for inflammation.

02:57:37.000 It helps a lot of people sleep.

02:57:39.000 It makes people nicer.

02:57:40.000 It makes you think about things in a different way.

02:57:43.000 It makes you maybe reconsider the way you're behaving or the way you're acting or what you're about to do or not about to do. 0.91

02:57:49.000 Makes you think, like, maybe I need to fucking get on the horse and get going. 0.78

02:57:52.000 I need to do something with my life. 0.97

02:57:54.000 I'm starting to freak out.

02:57:55.000 You're right about that.

02:57:56.000 Makes you think.

02:57:56.000 You're right about that.

02:57:57.000 It's not bad.

02:57:58.000 It's not bad.

02:57:59.000 And we need to stop treating grown adults like they're children and capable of making their own decisions.

02:58:05.000 And that's what it is when the government tells you that you can't take something that's never killed anyone ever and a lot of people find beneficial.

02:58:12.000 If so many people find it beneficial and you don't even use it, how are you...

02:58:17.000 Informed and wise enough to tell grown adults what they can and can't do with something they enjoy that you have no personal knowledge of.

02:58:25.000 100%.

02:58:25.000 It's very difficult to study because it was a Schedule I drug.

02:58:30.000 It is a Schedule I drug.

02:58:31.000 I am.

02:58:32.000 I am for recreational marijuana, and I believe it could really help our economy over there.

02:58:36.000 I hope that the federal government fixes that.

02:58:39.000 That's what I hope.

02:58:39.000 I really do.

02:58:40.000 I know that it was...

02:58:42.000 What did they pass it through the House and now it has to go to the Senate?

02:58:45.000 Is that what it is?

02:58:46.000 It could sit there for a long time, though.

02:58:48.000 How long could it sit there for?

02:58:50.000 They don't have to vote on it, I don't think.

02:58:51.000 Not if Governor Penn gets involved.

02:58:53.000 He's going to be running up the stairs of the Capitol raising his fists in the air. 0.99

02:58:58.000 Get shit right. 0.98

02:59:00.000 We always laugh and say, what's... 0.99

02:59:02.000 What law is more powerful, the state or federal?

02:59:05.000 Whoever pays for it?

02:59:06.000 Whoever paid for that?

02:59:07.000 Who paid for that? 0.98

02:59:09.000 What do the advertisers want?

02:59:11.000 We just got to get the advertisers on a good path.

02:59:13.000 Get all the advertisers doing things that are only beneficial for people.

02:59:17.000 But that's what we need to do over there in Hawaii because it's a bankrupt state and that's when you're going to stick your hand out and that money that we get from Washington That comes with whips and chains.

02:59:28.000 You know, you want to be able to have your option to, you know, that's why you want your economy.

02:59:33.000 You want your economy strong and you want your surplus up there and we want to pull it out of a welfare state.

02:59:38.000 Hawaii has been a welfare state all this time and we want to...

02:59:42.000 Does that involve bringing industries to Hawaii?

02:59:46.000 How do you account for jobs for all those people in sort of a self-sustaining way?

02:59:51.000 Is that possible to engineer?

02:59:52.000 We need some new industries.

02:59:55.000 We need some things.

02:59:56.000 Because there's a lot of tourism.

02:59:58.000 Tourism is everything right now.

02:59:59.000 And like I said, the planes come in and they don't leave with anything.

03:00:03.000 So we need stuff to export and we need...

03:00:08.000 We got to get our farming situation handled too, because every time a new hurricane comes in and all those things, and then they tell everybody, get down and buy, fill up your groceries, buy everything at the grocery store, buy all the gasoline you can, and then everybody's panicked.

03:00:26.000 Do you know there's a wood that I think only comes from Hawaii?

03:00:29.000 Is it sandalwood?

03:00:30.000 I think it's koa.

03:00:31.000 Oh yeah, koa. 0.84

03:00:32.000 I think that's only in Hawaii, which is wild.

03:00:35.000 Yeah, koa tree.

03:00:36.000 See if that's true.

03:00:36.000 Is it true that it's only in Hawaii?

03:00:37.000 I think it's a native tree.

03:00:40.000 Pretty crazy.

03:00:41.000 If you think about a tree that exists only on this one island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

03:00:46.000 Yeah.

03:00:47.000 Yeah, here it is.

03:00:49.000 Endemic.

03:00:49.000 The species acacia koa only grows...

03:00:51.000 Is that how you say it?

03:00:52.000 Yes.

03:00:52.000 Acacia koa only...

03:00:53.000 A koa tree.

03:00:55.000 Koa grows only in Hawaii and no place else in the world.

03:00:59.000 Sure, other species of the acacia family grow in other parts of the world.

03:01:03.000 Oh, but none of them are koa. 0.99

03:01:04.000 Isn't that amazing?

03:01:06.000 It's amazing because...

03:01:07.000 Hawaii had all of these different endemic things over there.

03:01:10.000 It is amazing.

03:01:11.000 And that they developed on top of a volcano.

03:01:13.000 They have a lot of trees and a lot of things, a lot of birds and different things.

03:01:16.000 How did the seeds for those trees and all those native plants, how'd they get there?

03:01:21.000 Do you think they got there from birds?

03:01:22.000 How'd they get to that?

03:01:23.000 Because the island had to come out of the ocean, right?

03:01:26.000 Right.

03:01:27.000 From the volcano.

03:01:28.000 Or was it bigger and the waters were lower during the ice ages?

03:01:31.000 It makes you wonder.

03:01:33.000 Because they've never found the full Polynesian voyaging canoes and any of those stuff.

03:01:40.000 Really?

03:01:40.000 They just kind of made it off of...

03:01:43.000 Paint, like petroglyphs and stuff.

03:01:45.000 And they're like, oh, here's the Polynesian canoe.

03:01:47.000 Here's how they had it.

03:01:47.000 But Captain Cook never seen those.

03:01:49.000 But I don't want to get into big arguments with all the people because that's what they say.

03:01:54.000 That's how they came over, right?

03:01:55.000 They came across the ocean, were the best sailors.

03:01:58.000 And then the story in Hawaiians for their myth or whatever is that then they burned the boats later and everybody got stuck there and then they couldn't leave.

03:02:06.000 One of the priests made them burn the boats.

03:02:09.000 You know, for power and control, or who knows?

03:02:11.000 We just don't know what happened.

03:02:13.000 No, I mean, I'm native Hawaiian.

03:02:15.000 My mother's half-native Hawaiian, but, I mean, we don't know.

03:02:19.000 What year do they think Hawaiians, Polynesian people, landed there?

03:02:23.000 I think they think, like, a thousand years ago type thing.

03:02:27.000 Just a thousand years ago?

03:02:28.000 Yeah.

03:02:29.000 What does it say on Google?

03:02:32.000 When did the Hawaiians get to Hawaii?

03:02:35.000 First settled as early as 400 CE. Whoa.

03:02:40.000 Some of the Hawaiian words in our language, you know, like you got amor in Spanish is love and then you got amor in Portuguese and then you got aloha.

03:02:51.000 Aloha.

03:02:52.000 And you got ali'i is chief and I just think ali'i, well that's the elite or whatever.

03:02:57.000 You just see so many words that look like Latin and it's just...

03:03:02.000 But it's one of the oldest languages or whatever, but it's just weird.

03:03:06.000 Just our whole thing, life's just weird.

03:03:08.000 I wonder if this estimate of 1,500 years or whatever it is has been substantiated, or if it's like a rough guess based on artifacts that they've already discovered.

03:03:20.000 Because it's one of those things where they keep finding, like, in North America, it used to be Clovis first.

03:03:25.000 They used to think that the Clovis people were the first people that got here.

03:03:27.000 Who are the Clovis?

03:03:28.000 The Clovis were an ancient group of hunter-gatherers that lived here, and they're identified by a sophisticated style of point, the Clovis points, and it comes from a specific era that they think these people came through.

03:03:42.000 But now they've abandoned that, and they think there are people here far before the Clovis people, way before, thousands and thousands of years.

03:03:49.000 I remember I was reading something and it was like Russia was the biggest and then they went to make a new Moscow.

03:03:56.000 So they went over through Alaska and then you say Moscow, then you say Moscow, then you say Mexico.

03:04:01.000 And Mexico City was Moscow, this whole thing.

03:04:04.000 I love history.

03:04:05.000 I love reading through all that stuff.

03:04:07.000 But what you're saying is that if people had been on Hawaii since the Ice Age, so if we're going back 12,000 years ago, right, if people got there, because there were people around back then, at that point in time, the levels of the sea would have been way lower.

03:04:22.000 Because there's way more...

03:04:24.000 No, it's a fact.

03:04:25.000 They know that for sure.

03:04:26.000 Maybe it would have been as hard to miss.

03:04:28.000 But I don't know if that area...

03:04:30.000 I wonder how close ground would be to that area.

03:04:33.000 If the sea levels were far lower because of the Ice Age, which they definitely were, I wonder how much water you'd have to traverse to get to Hawaii.

03:04:42.000 To get to...

03:04:43.000 Exactly.

03:04:43.000 Was it big like Australia?

03:04:45.000 How big was it when the waters were low?

03:04:48.000 Because how did they find it, just a little space and a little place in the middle of nowhere?

03:04:53.000 I wonder when it came about.

03:04:55.000 When do they think Hawaii came out of the ocean?

03:04:59.000 That's another good one.

03:05:01.000 What year would you think it would be?

03:05:02.000 I mean, that's when they talk about the Earth's millions of years old.

03:05:06.000 It's got to be old.

03:05:07.000 Was Hawaii when the waters were lower?

03:05:09.000 Was Hawaii something like in Australia, another continent over there?

03:05:13.000 Because it's still the most isolated place as far as from everywhere else.

03:05:18.000 Yeah, distance to shore.

03:05:19.000 Yeah.

03:05:19.000 Really, what we're saying here is very interesting because if it turns out that Hawaii is millions of years old, which I think it is, And then if it turns out that this was like pre-ice age when the sea levels were very, very low in comparison to what they are today, I wonder how much difference it was.

03:05:36.000 Right.

03:05:37.000 Because if there was people back then and there was people traveling back then, I wonder what it was like.

03:05:44.000 And they track our language all the way to like Taiwan, to the natives of Taiwan, like Austronesian.

03:05:49.000 And it's kind of like the Asians came down and then the Aborigines were here. 0.99

03:05:54.000 Then the Asian and Aborigines mixed up and turned into the Polynesians. 0.61

03:05:57.000 Wow.

03:05:58.000 Right?

03:05:58.000 With the big nose and the eyes like this, but the big nose and the curly hair.

03:06:02.000 And then they all came across, you know?

03:06:04.000 And so many warriors.

03:06:06.000 That's another thing.

03:06:07.000 Think about how many fighters have come out of Hawaii.

03:06:10.000 Oh, man.

03:06:10.000 How many?

03:06:11.000 Right from Max to Yancey.

03:06:13.000 I was just watching him fight the other night.

03:06:15.000 And Kimo, me and everybody.

03:06:18.000 And that's why, I mean, Hawaii is so big for their sports.

03:06:21.000 You know, we got to get our stadiums going again.

03:06:25.000 Even Ensign.

03:06:26.000 Ensign and Egan.

03:06:27.000 Ensign and Egan.

03:06:29.000 B's. 0.82

03:06:29.000 Right? 0.82

03:06:30.000 Yeah.

03:06:30.000 Those are the OG's.

03:06:31.000 OG's. 0.60

03:06:31.000 Those are the guys who let us know we could do it. 0.60

03:06:33.000 Shout out to the Inouye's. 1.00

03:06:34.000 Yeah.

03:06:35.000 Oh, I love those guys.

03:06:36.000 I just saw Egan the other day.

03:06:37.000 But Ensign going out, he armbarred Randy Couture. 0.81

03:06:40.000 Yes!

03:06:41.000 He fought in the UFC. I remember watching...

03:06:42.000 I remember he was throwing those kicks off his back.

03:06:44.000 Yep.

03:06:44.000 And you're like, ooh.

03:06:45.000 Yep.

03:06:46.000 He was amazing.

03:06:47.000 And I remember he fought Royce Alger.

03:06:49.000 Remember that one?

03:06:50.000 I was there for that.

03:06:51.000 Yep.

03:06:51.000 Royce Alger.

03:06:52.000 Yeah.

03:06:52.000 He broke his arm.

03:06:53.000 He was the guy...

03:06:55.000 Who let me know that, hey, people from Hawaii, we can do it.

03:06:58.000 We can get in there.

03:06:59.000 We can fight, you know?

03:07:01.000 And they're such heroes, all of them.

03:07:04.000 Yeah, man.

03:07:05.000 Wasn't Dennis Alexio from Hawaii, too? 0.98

03:07:07.000 Well, he moved to Hawaii, but he was, yeah, he was there fighting and kicking everybody's butt.

03:07:11.000 When he was world champion, kickboxing. 0.97

03:07:12.000 Yes, the Terminator.

03:07:13.000 Yeah.

03:07:13.000 And I met Egan when I was a kid.

03:07:15.000 He was the world racquetball champion.

03:07:17.000 That's right!

03:07:18.000 And my uncle played racquetball and we all went to a place called Fort DeRussi, a beach area, and Egan competed in the tournament and wiped everybody out.

03:07:26.000 Wasn't he like, didn't he hold a world record at one point or some kind of a record for free diving?

03:07:31.000 That too, that too. 0.98

03:07:32.000 And he would just break the balls.

03:07:34.000 When he'd hit the ball, he'd break the ball.

03:07:37.000 Yeah, now he's like surfing and whatever he wants to do, he's going to be the best at it.

03:07:43.000 That's Egan.

03:07:44.000 Nice.

03:07:45.000 Always.

03:07:46.000 Well, BJ, it's been an honor to have you in here, man.

03:07:49.000 It's always been cool to be your friend and respect.

03:07:52.000 And as a fan, thank you very much for all those years of amazing, amazing fights.

03:07:57.000 And I really sincerely believe that you want to do well for the people of Hawaii.

03:08:01.000 And I think it would be amazing if you could pull it off.

03:08:04.000 I think it'd be fun.

03:08:06.000 Thank you, Joel.

03:08:07.000 And just good luck in everything you do, brother.

03:08:09.000 You too, my man.

03:08:10.000 All right.

03:08:10.000 Proud of all your success myself.

03:08:12.000 Thank you.

03:08:12.000 Thank you very much.

03:08:13.000 Thank you.

03:08:14.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 20, 2011

JRE MMA Show #123 with BJ Penn

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