The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #126 with Eryk Anders

00:00:00.000 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day first of all how the fuck do you make 185 pounds How is that even possible? 0.93

00:00:17.000 Diet and exercise. 0.99

00:00:18.000 But you're so big!

00:00:19.000 What do you walk around at?

00:00:20.000 I'm about 230 right now.

00:00:23.000 What is the process of you getting down to 185?

00:00:26.000 Yeah, I definitely can't do it on short notice.

00:00:29.000 It takes like a whole eight weeks unless I have to kill myself.

00:00:34.000 And I used to do that. 0.97

00:00:35.000 I'd just not eat for a week and sit in a sauna forever and then wonder why after three minutes, like, dude, I'm fucking tired, dude. 1.00

00:00:42.000 Fuck. 0.99

00:00:43.000 Well, how much of a performance impact does it have on you even if you take off, even if you have two solid months to prepare and lose the weight? 1.00

00:00:52.000 I feel good.

00:00:54.000 I don't think it has a performance issue.

00:00:57.000 I know that some dudes, they cut weight, they don't do it the right way, and I think it kind of makes them more fragile.

00:01:03.000 But I haven't had that experience.

00:01:08.000 So for you, as long as they give you two months, you can do it.

00:01:12.000 But how good does food taste after those two months?

00:01:16.000 Everything in my life is extreme.

00:01:18.000 If I don't have a fight coming up, I'm a burger, cheeseburger, pizza, beer kind of guy.

00:01:24.000 Hardly drink water.

00:01:25.000 But then when I am, don't eat anything green.

00:01:28.000 But then when I am training for a fight, it's just the exact opposite.

00:01:32.000 Nothing but water.

00:01:33.000 I count my calories.

00:01:35.000 Do you have a meal prep company?

00:01:37.000 Yeah, I think it's Icon Meals that the UFC has.

00:01:41.000 And it's awesome because each meal you can tell it has the macronutrients on there and how many calories.

00:01:47.000 So I just wear a heart rate monitor and it tells me how many calories I burn per workout.

00:01:51.000 So I just go home, I burn 500, I can only eat 300. Have you ever thought about, like, fucking I'm going to go heavyweight? 0.98

00:02:01.000 When I fought Darren Stewart the second time, he was like, let's do heavyweight. 1.00

00:02:06.000 And for a second, I was like, man, fuck that. 0.97

00:02:08.000 Let's just do heavyweight instead of light heavyweight and not cut any weight. 0.99

00:02:14.000 If I show up at heavyweight, dude, I'm going to have a big old belly.

00:02:17.000 I ain't going to be able to fight at heavyweight, I don't think.

00:02:19.000 It ain't going to work. 0.99

00:02:20.000 My cardio is going to be shit. 0.98

00:02:22.000 So when you get to 185 and you do it correctly, you have better cardio? 0.99

00:02:26.000 I think so.

00:02:26.000 I really don't get tired in fights.

00:02:29.000 So, yeah, I feel good.

00:02:31.000 And the middleweights, for my career, I think middleweight is the way to go because they're not as durable as the light heavyweights and the light heavyweights. 0.99

00:02:42.000 Those motherfuckers are big. 1.00

00:02:43.000 They're like 6'3", 6'4". 1.00

00:02:45.000 So it's like a statue thing for me.

00:02:47.000 I'm only 6'1", so I'll be punching up at everybody.

00:02:50.000 What would you think if they eliminated weight cutting?

00:02:53.000 Because, you know, there's been talk about that, mostly from me.

00:02:56.000 I think it's...

00:02:58.000 I mean, everyone's doing it, but what it is, essentially, is like sanctioned cheating.

00:03:03.000 You're pretending you're 185 pounds.

00:03:06.000 You're about 185 for, what, an hour?

00:03:08.000 Yeah, the shortest amount of time possible.

00:03:10.000 Yeah, and then when you fight, what do you think you weigh?

00:03:14.000 Well, I've been as heavy as 225 on bite night.

00:03:18.000 Wow.

00:03:19.000 That's crazy.

00:03:20.000 But I think it works backwards.

00:03:22.000 Yeah, I'm bigger, but...

00:03:24.000 When I'm that heavy, like when I fought Andre Muniz, I was like 225, but I just felt like heavy.

00:03:29.000 You know, I was like, dude, I don't know how to...

00:03:31.000 You put too much on.

00:03:31.000 Yeah.

00:03:32.000 I was like, dude, I'm not moving like I was getting ready for the fight. 0.99

00:03:36.000 So when that happens, it's like, damn, I just kind of fucked myself. 0.97

00:03:40.000 Charles Oliveira just, they just did this thing where they weighed him on fight night versus weigh-in, and he's 183 on fight night. 0.99

00:03:48.000 He fights at 155. Yeah, you look at him, you wouldn't think he weighs that.

00:03:52.000 No, he's pretty stout.

00:03:54.000 He's a stout dude.

00:03:55.000 I mean, he's long and lean and everything.

00:03:57.000 He's, like, broad, but front to back, he's a thin guy.

00:04:01.000 Well, I think he's maximized for the weight class.

00:04:04.000 There's guys that, like, they're maximized for that weight class.

00:04:07.000 Like, Jon Jones at 205 was a perfect example.

00:04:10.000 Maximized for that weight class.

00:04:11.000 The perfect physique for that weight class.

00:04:13.000 Hamza Chemaev at 170. Maximized.

00:04:15.000 It's, like, the perfect amount of length, but strong as shit. 0.98

00:04:19.000 You know, there's, like, a lot of advantages for that. 0.97

00:04:23.000 Yeah, you know, those guys, especially at the top, you know, they're much bigger for the most part than everybody else in the weight class. 0.99

00:04:31.000 Ushman's a big motherfucker for the weight class. 1.00

00:04:34.000 John Jones, C64. You know, they call him, like, his legs look skinny, but he's not a skinny guy. 1.00

00:04:41.000 No.

00:04:41.000 Just from, like, the knee down.

00:04:42.000 He doesn't have any calves.

00:04:44.000 Yeah, which is crazy.

00:04:45.000 We talked about that yesterday.

00:04:47.000 Like, all the weightlifting he does, those things don't grow.

00:04:50.000 It's just weird.

00:04:51.000 You know, when I first started fighting, they were like, oh, I was like 240, like football big.

00:04:57.000 They were like, oh, you're going to end up fighting at 85. I was like, bullshit. 0.99

00:05:00.000 I'm not cutting weight like that. 0.99

00:05:02.000 And then my buddy Marcus Brimage fought McGregor on the same card that Cormier and Jon Jones fought the first time.

00:05:11.000 So we went, and I saw those two fight, and I was like...

00:05:15.000 85 might be the move.

00:05:17.000 85 might be the move. 0.99

00:05:18.000 That motherfucker's big, dude. 0.99

00:05:19.000 What was it like the first time you did it? 1.00

00:05:21.000 Uh, dude, it was awful.

00:05:23.000 Because, like, no one told me how to do it.

00:05:26.000 They were like, oh, dude, I would run, and I'd be like 210, and I'd be like, oh, you can just cut the rest in water.

00:05:32.000 So I'm like, alright.

00:05:33.000 So the first time, dude, I sat in a sauna for like six hours.

00:05:36.000 Oh! 0.60

00:05:36.000 And my coach at the time, I was like, dude, I'm done with this. 0.60

00:05:40.000 I don't care how much I weigh right now.

00:05:42.000 I'm out of here.

00:05:43.000 And he was like, no, no.

00:05:45.000 I'm like, dude, listen.

00:05:46.000 I'm getting out of here whether it's through you or around you.

00:05:49.000 You have about three seconds to make this decision.

00:05:52.000 And he just stepped to the side.

00:05:54.000 And, you know, of course, I missed a way.

00:05:55.000 I was like, 189. But I was like, dude, I'm not doing that shit. 0.99

00:05:59.000 And then, so I did that a few times. 0.99

00:06:02.000 And then I met my wife.

00:06:04.000 And, you know, she's into the fitness thing.

00:06:05.000 And she's like, you're.

00:06:07.000 Not a smart person.

00:06:09.000 This is not how you should be doing this.

00:06:11.000 So she started measuring my meals, and I was actually eating more, you know, because it makes your metabolism faster or whatever, but smaller meals.

00:06:19.000 And then, dude, I just became easier.

00:06:22.000 What was your transition from football into MMA? What motivated that?

00:06:29.000 We won a national championship my senior year.

00:06:33.000 I think everybody knows that even if you do make it to the NFL, you're probably not going to be there for long.

00:06:40.000 If the NFL thing doesn't work out, at least I can come back to Alabama.

00:06:44.000 Somebody in alumni will have a job for me.

00:06:48.000 That's not what happened.

00:06:51.000 I ended up being a janitor.

00:06:53.000 I was cleaning apartments, cleaning factories, working with meth heads and drug addicts with a water lance.

00:07:00.000 This thing has 2,000 pounds of pressure.

00:07:03.000 It cuts sheet metal.

00:07:04.000 Some dude nodding off, bucking around.

00:07:07.000 It was dangerous.

00:07:08.000 I just found myself being mad and frustrated that You know, here I am living in the same town that just a year ago, we won a national championship, and I'm doing this kind of work.

00:07:20.000 So, you know, fighting all the time, drinking, abusing drugs, just kind of mad, and walking around with my fists balled up all the time.

00:07:31.000 So, I'm like, man, eventually something's going to happen to me. 0.99

00:07:34.000 I'm going to get shot, you know, just doing stupid stuff. 1.00

00:07:37.000 And so I just walked into a gym, started training. 1.00

00:07:40.000 So you were about 21?

00:07:42.000 Yeah.

00:07:43.000 21 when you first started training?

00:07:44.000 No training prior at all?

00:07:46.000 No, like 24. Oh, really?

00:07:48.000 Yeah, because I chased the dream, the football dream.

00:07:50.000 I went to Colorado, played arena ball, played in Canada for a little bit, and finally I was just like, dude, if it's not the NFL, then it's not worth it.

00:08:02.000 So what was holding you back from achieving your goals in the NFL? I just don't think I was big enough, fast enough, good enough.

00:08:10.000 You know, you always kind of like lie to yourself when you're younger. 0.98

00:08:13.000 It's like, oh, fuck yeah, dude, I'm gonna make it, I'm gonna play. 0.99

00:08:15.000 And then, you know, you kind of get shit on and, you know, so you just walk around bitter until you find something else to do. 0.99

00:08:20.000 At least that was my experience anyways. 0.98

00:08:23.000 And so was MMA a thought in your mind as a career or was it something you were just doing to blow off steam?

00:08:30.000 Initially, I started doing jujitsu and I was like, oh, this is cool.

00:08:34.000 I can go wrestle and get it out.

00:08:39.000 I want to see what it's like to throw punches and stuff.

00:08:45.000 I walked into another gym, and first day in there, the coach walks up to me.

00:08:51.000 He's like, can you fight? 1.00

00:08:53.000 Any 24-year-old male, and you ask him if they fight, he's like, fuck you, I can fight. 1.00

00:08:57.000 Hell yeah. 1.00

00:08:59.000 He's like, all right, cool.

00:09:00.000 Here's some gloves.

00:09:01.000 Go fight that guy. 0.95

00:09:02.000 Go spot that guy. 0.99

00:09:03.000 It was fucking Walt Harris, who was already a professional fighter, been training, been boxing. 0.99

00:09:10.000 Heavyweight. 1.00

00:09:11.000 Big motherfucker. 1.00

00:09:12.000 Yeah, like 260, 6'4". 1.00

00:09:14.000 And he beat me up in the nicest way possible.

00:09:18.000 Like, I knew, like, if he was being for real, I knew what would happen to him.

00:09:21.000 Well, that's nice of Walt.

00:09:23.000 Yeah.

00:09:23.000 And, like, you know, I had, like, those big football muscles, so I couldn't, you know, block anything down the middle.

00:09:28.000 So I was just goosh, goosh, goosh, goosh.

00:09:31.000 But, dude, I fell in love with it. 0.96

00:09:32.000 I was like, dude, it's going to be fun to, like, suck at something and then learn how to do it and then not suck. 0.99

00:09:39.000 I think that's the biggest apprehension from other athletes coming into this because who the fuck wants to be a white belt again? 1.00

00:09:46.000 You're already an elite athlete or played at the pinnacle of the sport. 0.99

00:09:52.000 Now you've got to go in there and take your licks again. 1.00

00:09:54.000 Like a beginner. 0.78

00:09:55.000 Yeah.

00:09:56.000 And so I think the ego kind of gets in the way of guys coming from other sports and girls coming from other sports and learning this stuff.

00:10:04.000 Well, that even works in guys in combat sports that are learning MMA, like guys who are kickboxers.

00:10:10.000 They don't like to wrestle or do jiu-jitsu.

00:10:13.000 They just want to learn how to get up.

00:10:15.000 They just want to learn.

00:10:16.000 That's a big, common problem.

00:10:17.000 So when they get in scrambles, They don't really know how to do anything offensively, so everything is defensive, which once your opponent realizes that everything is defensive, it's much more relaxing for them.

00:10:30.000 Yeah, and they know they don't have a risk, so they can take more chances.

00:10:33.000 Exactly.

00:10:34.000 Worst case scenario, he gets up.

00:10:35.000 I'm not going to get choked up or whatever.

00:10:37.000 Yeah, it's like guys that surprise me.

00:10:39.000 Like, you're a Prohaska. 0.99

00:10:40.000 When Yuri just tapped out Glover, like, who the fuck saw that coming? 0.99

00:10:44.000 You know? 0.96

00:10:45.000 I think exhaustion kind of plays into, you know, the 25th minute, or the 24th and a half minute. 0.99

00:10:51.000 You know, it's like, fuck, dude, I'm tired. 0.98

00:10:53.000 And, you know, Glover is 42 years old. 1.00

00:10:56.000 Yeah, sure.

00:10:57.000 And he almost won that fight.

00:10:58.000 All he had to do was play it safe in the fifth round, he would have won that fight.

00:11:01.000 Yeah, but...

00:11:02.000 Yeah.

00:11:02.000 Of course, yeah, like, it didn't work out for him, but as a fan...

00:11:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:06.000 I don't want to see nobody play it safe, dude.

00:11:07.000 Go for it.

00:11:08.000 Of course. 1.00

00:11:08.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:11:08.000 Of course. 1.00

00:11:09.000 And that's just me as a fan being selfish, but if he did that, I'd be like, you know.

00:11:14.000 Yeah, it's funny when people do play it safe.

00:11:16.000 Like, Devin Haney's last fight.

00:11:17.000 Like, last round, he played it safe.

00:11:19.000 And he even talked about it.

00:11:21.000 Like, I knew I had it in the bag, so I just took off the last round, and I was like, ooh...

00:11:25.000 Don't say that out loud.

00:11:26.000 Don't say that out loud.

00:11:26.000 Not on the microphone, dude.

00:11:27.000 Tell your coach that, tell your mom that.

00:11:29.000 Yeah, I mean, he's in the money for these big, big fights like Lomachenko, and, you know, so after he beat Kambosis, you know, that was, you know, that was a pivotal fight for him.

00:11:39.000 I understand taking it off the last round, but yeah, don't say that.

00:11:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:43.000 Or say it in different ways, like, you know, I didn't want to, like, get hurt, or, you know, didn't want to risk breaking my hand, or.

00:11:49.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:11:50.000 I don't know.

00:11:51.000 It's just, it's that kind of a fight, the Yuri Prohaska-Glover Teixeira fight is the kind of fight that makes fans.

00:11:57.000 Sure, sure. 0.97

00:11:57.000 Like, if you've never watched MMA before and you watched that crazy fucking fight, like, whew! 0.97

00:12:02.000 Especially how back and forth it was. 0.98

00:12:03.000 I didn't think that Uri would be as good on the ground to be able to get up in reverse position like he did.

00:12:11.000 Glover took a lot of chances.

00:12:13.000 Like he dove on guillotines and wound up on the bottom when it didn't work out.

00:12:17.000 There was a lot going on in that fight.

00:12:19.000 That was not a play-at-safe fight.

00:12:20.000 That was a wild fight.

00:12:23.000 Me and my son were driving back from Yellowstone and watching it on the phone.

00:12:26.000 I was like, dude, I think I need to pull over, dude. 1.00

00:12:28.000 What the fuck, I was watching the phone, boy, that hit the fucking road. 1.00

00:12:30.000 Like, shit. 1.00

00:12:31.000 Yeah, that's not good. 1.00

00:12:33.000 He fights so strange.

00:12:35.000 Yuri fights so strange.

00:12:37.000 There's nobody like him in the sport because he's almost like fighting like a karate video game character.

00:12:43.000 He's very unpredictable.

00:12:44.000 He doesn't have like a pattern.

00:12:46.000 It's not jab cross hook.

00:12:48.000 Even his movements and then he's leaping in with shots like he almost moves around like a guy who wouldn't be good, but he's really good.

00:12:56.000 It's confusing.

00:12:58.000 You know, it's like he's got his own style.

00:13:01.000 And he's got his little hair.

00:13:02.000 He says it's an antenna.

00:13:04.000 Yeah.

00:13:05.000 For the flow.

00:13:06.000 To catch the flow.

00:13:08.000 Yeah.

00:13:08.000 And you see him working out in the woods, too.

00:13:10.000 Like, ties pads around trees, and he's kicking and punching trees.

00:13:13.000 Like, very strange.

00:13:15.000 Yeah.

00:13:15.000 He seems like a super odd dude.

00:13:17.000 He was doing something that's not wise, though.

00:13:19.000 Like, he was padding Glover, saying, good job.

00:13:22.000 You're doing a good job.

00:13:23.000 Like...

00:13:23.000 In the middle of the fight?

00:13:24.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:13:25.000 And, you know, Mark Goddard was telling me, hey, you're playing a fucking dangerous game because that seems like you're tapping. 0.94

00:13:31.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:13:31.000 Like, what are you doing? 0.96

00:13:33.000 Did you ever see any of that?

00:13:34.000 No.

00:13:34.000 Like I said, I was driving.

00:13:36.000 Oh, a lot of people were saying, like, this fight's bullshit. 1.00

00:13:39.000 He tapped. 1.00

00:13:40.000 Because it looked like he was like, hey, good job, good job.

00:13:43.000 But like, did he have a submission in?

00:13:44.000 No.

00:13:44.000 No, man.

00:13:45.000 He was on top of him and beating him up.

00:13:46.000 That guy's not tapping the strikes, though.

00:13:48.000 No.

00:13:48.000 So you don't got to worry about that.

00:13:49.000 I don't think he's going to tap.

00:13:51.000 I mean, unless he gets caught in something.

00:13:53.000 But it's just, when you're watching it, I was like, what is happening here? 0.98

00:13:57.000 Is he fucking tapping? 0.98

00:13:58.000 Like, watch this. 1.00

00:13:59.000 Here, referee, like, watch this.

00:14:01.000 Look.

00:14:01.000 See, he's on top.

00:14:02.000 He's talking to him.

00:14:03.000 Good job.

00:14:03.000 See, look at that.

00:14:04.000 That's a fucking tap, man. 1.00

00:14:05.000 That's a tap. 1.00

00:14:06.000 Like, you can't do that.

00:14:08.000 Well, at least Glover...

00:14:09.000 He was congratulating and encouraging in his opponent.

00:14:13.000 Yeah, see, Mark Goddard said it's a risky game, but it's very clear what he was doing and attending.

00:14:18.000 Let's celebrate the incredible feat from both gentlemen.

00:14:20.000 It's interesting because you really can't do that.

00:14:22.000 You can't.

00:14:23.000 I mean, because if Glover thought that was a tap...

00:14:26.000 Yeah, if he stopped.

00:14:27.000 Yeah, like, he could... 1.00

00:14:28.000 Like, that right there is a fucking tap, man. 0.98

00:14:31.000 Like, you can't do that because, like, that's... 0.99

00:14:33.000 Ow, I'm injured.

00:14:34.000 Hey, my ribs are broken.

00:14:36.000 I gotta stop.

00:14:37.000 You know?

00:14:38.000 I mean, it's not a position where you normally would see somebody tap. 0.99

00:14:41.000 But who the fuck knows what's going on? 0.98

00:14:44.000 I guess Mark heard what he was saying and said, that's not a tap. 0.99

00:14:48.000 But still, that is tapping.

00:14:51.000 You can't just fake quit.

00:14:55.000 That's like fake quitting.

00:14:57.000 Who did that? 0.91

00:14:59.000 Fabrizio Verdun in the PFL. I forget who he was fighting.

00:15:04.000 Oh, the guy fake tapped.

00:15:06.000 Yeah, and then he stopped and then...

00:15:08.000 And then he wound up losing by TKO. Yeah, but I think it got ruined in no contest at the end, though.

00:15:12.000 That's horrible, though. 1.00

00:15:14.000 That's horrible shit. 1.00

00:15:15.000 You remember that happened in the UFC early on? 1.00

00:15:19.000 It was Murillo Bustamante and Matt Lindland.

00:15:22.000 And Murillo Bustamante tapped him twice.

00:15:25.000 He tapped him once with an arm bar, and Linlin said, I didn't tap!

00:15:29.000 And Big John McCarthy, this was like, the UFC in the early days, they were kind of like, oh, let's do it again.

00:15:35.000 There was a few of those.

00:15:36.000 Are you sure?

00:15:37.000 Yeah, this is a fight. 1.00

00:15:38.000 So this is, Bustamante was a bad motherfucker back then. 0.98

00:15:42.000 He was one of the very first jiu-jitsu guys who was also really dangerous with stand-up. 0.96

00:15:49.000 And he was one of Carlson Gracie's like top black belts like really technical jujitsu guy and what's that?

00:15:57.000 This video's not going to show up, so I was going to stop playing.

00:15:59.000 Oh, it's not going to show this up?

00:16:00.000 I don't think so.

00:16:01.000 So he got him down.

00:16:03.000 Oh, this is the finish.

00:16:04.000 This is the final finish.

00:16:05.000 He caught him in the guillotine.

00:16:06.000 So the guillotine is how he finished him.

00:16:09.000 So this is tapping in that, you know, maze that he didn't hold on to it because Lin-Lin had fake tapped earlier.

00:16:15.000 So that's the third round.

00:16:17.000 So he tapped him in the second round with an arm bar and then tapped him in the third round with a guillotine. 0.93

00:16:21.000 How you fucked that up.

00:16:23.000 I went to a fight in Macon, Georgia, just like a local promotion. 0.97

00:16:27.000 This kid had the other guy in the guillotine, and he did look like he was asleep. 0.99

00:16:31.000 So the ref stops the fight and the guy's like, hey, what the fuck? 0.98

00:16:35.000 And he started them again. 0.98

00:16:37.000 Like from the stand-up.

00:16:38.000 You go to your corner, you go to your corner.

00:16:40.000 And start and get out of it. 1.00

00:16:42.000 Like, man, fuck that, dude. 1.00

00:16:43.000 He tapped. 1.00

00:16:44.000 They said because nobody had entered the cage that they could keep it going.

00:16:49.000 I'm like, no, dude.

00:16:50.000 At least you have to give me my position back.

00:16:52.000 Yeah, give me the neck again. 0.99

00:16:54.000 When I started, I earned that position.

00:16:56.000 Did you ever see Conan Silviera in Sakuraba?

00:16:59.000 Uh-uh.

00:17:01.000 Sakuraba got hit with an uppercut and dropped down for a single.

00:17:05.000 So he's on like a low single and Big John, again, stops the fight. 0.99

00:17:10.000 And Sakuraba's like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.97

00:17:13.000 And then it's in Japan. 0.99

00:17:14.000 So everybody started freaking out.

00:17:16.000 And so they said, don't worry, we'll have him fight again.

00:17:18.000 So later on in the night, they fought a second time.

00:17:21.000 Yeah, they fought a second time.

00:17:23.000 And this time, Sakuraba got Conan in an arm bar. 1.00

00:17:27.000 And so this was like, I want to say this was like 98?

00:17:31.000 It was like right when I quit. 0.60

00:17:33.000 So he got him in an arm bar and tapped him, and it was fucking crazy because nobody had ever seen a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt get tapped And Sakuraba was, like, way smaller than him, too. 0.59

00:17:47.000 Like, Sakuraba was probably under 200 pounds. 0.75

00:17:50.000 And Conan was a big guy.

00:17:52.000 Like, Conan had fought in extreme fighting, and, you know, he had fought Maurice Smith then.

00:17:57.000 You think they got paid twice?

00:18:00.000 I don't think they did.

00:18:01.000 I'm not doing the second one for free, dude. 1.00

00:18:03.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:18:04.000 That's a good point. 1.00

00:18:05.000 That's a very good point.

00:18:07.000 But this was a big moment.

00:18:10.000 But you go back and you watch even top guys.

00:18:14.000 Everyone was a little sloppy then.

00:18:16.000 Like, technique is so much more refined now.

00:18:20.000 Everything is so different.

00:18:21.000 Even, like, if you go and watch jiu-jitsu tournaments, like top-level jiu-jitsu tournaments from, like, 94, 95, and then watch them today in 2022, it's incredible how much progress has been made.

00:18:33.000 That's like the evolution.

00:18:35.000 How long do you think Sakurabi had been playing or training jiu-jitsu?

00:18:39.000 Well, he actually was training catch wrestling.

00:18:41.000 That's what's interesting about Sakuraba.

00:18:43.000 There's a lot of those guys that were pro wrestlers in Japan, but in pro wrestling in Japan, they do a lot of hard fights.

00:18:52.000 Pro wrestling in Japan has a history of real fights.

00:18:56.000 Like, sometimes they would have shoots or they would have works. 0.93

00:19:00.000 And so, like, if you ever want to talk to Josh Barnett as the master of this shit, he'll tell you all about that because, you know, he's a big pro wrestling fan. 0.97

00:19:07.000 I was training at Danaher's yesterday, and I was talking to this kid from Louisville, Kentucky. 0.98

00:19:13.000 And I was like, oh, how long have you been training?

00:19:15.000 16 years.

00:19:16.000 And I was like...

00:19:17.000 How old are you?

00:19:18.000 24. Whoa.

00:19:20.000 So I was like, dude, I haven't been training with Helio Seneca since I was six.

00:19:24.000 And I'm like, that's the difference in the game.

00:19:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:28.000 When you learn something when you're six, six to 24 is different than 24 to, you know.

00:19:36.000 How old are you now?

00:19:37.000 35. How long do you think you're going to be doing this?

00:19:40.000 I probably got five or less fights left.

00:19:43.000 Five or less fights.

00:19:45.000 What do you think you're going to do when you stop?

00:19:47.000 I got a lot of things that I'm pivoting right now, kind of working my way.

00:19:52.000 I know I'm in the twilight of my career.

00:19:55.000 It's no secret.

00:19:56.000 And I started buying real estate.

00:19:59.000 Got about 15 houses now.

00:20:01.000 Oh, wow.

00:20:02.000 Oh, nice.

00:20:04.000 So a lot of people always bitch about fighter pay and stuff, but I'm just like...

00:20:08.000 What are you doing with your money?

00:20:10.000 Right, right.

00:20:10.000 If you go to, like, some of the people's, like, Instagram who bitching about fighter pay, go to their Instagram and see what it is that they're spending their money on.

00:20:18.000 Yeah.

00:20:19.000 Like, five Frenchie dogs.

00:20:20.000 These are, like, $5,000 to $8,000 dogs.

00:20:23.000 Of course you're going to be broke.

00:20:25.000 So I just put everything into real estate.

00:20:30.000 So I don't even have to fight anymore.

00:20:32.000 That's awesome!

00:20:33.000 I do it because I like it.

00:20:34.000 I do it because I like the competition.

00:20:36.000 I like the training.

00:20:38.000 I just like doing it.

00:20:40.000 But whenever I'm ready, I can dip whenever I want to. 1.00

00:20:45.000 You're a tough motherfucker, man, because I've watched a lot of your fights and I've been a fan of your fights, your wins and your losses, but when you fought Khalil Roundtree and he was leg-kicking the shit out of you and you didn't even flinch, I was like, damn! 0.99

00:20:59.000 That was one of the most impressive, like, in a losing performance, one of the most impressive displays of toughness. 1.00

00:21:06.000 Maybe I should play poker, because that shit was hurting. 0.99

00:21:08.000 You know, I had a poker face. 1.00

00:21:10.000 It had to be! 0.99

00:21:11.000 He kicked so fucking hard. 0.97

00:21:14.000 But yeah, I mean, it hurt, but it wasn't like dismantling. 0.98

00:21:18.000 You know, it's not like the...

00:21:20.000 My leg wasn't compromised.

00:21:22.000 She was just stinging and in pain.

00:21:25.000 So I just feel like toughness is like a decision sometimes.

00:21:29.000 Like, okay, you feel pain, but are you hurt?

00:21:32.000 No, okay.

00:21:34.000 And I also think that just naturally I have a higher pain threshold maybe than most people.

00:21:42.000 That second round got pretty crazy.

00:21:44.000 I think he dropped me like four times.

00:21:46.000 And in the corner, the lady, the commission, the doctor was like, are you okay? 0.99

00:21:50.000 And I was like, dude, is she fucking, is she watching this fight? 0.98

00:21:53.000 Of course I'm not okay, dude. 1.00

00:21:54.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:21:55.000 So I tried to ignore her. 1.00

00:21:56.000 She's like, yeah, okay, I'm good.

00:21:58.000 It's interesting how boxing has three knockdown rules in some fights, in some commissions.

00:22:04.000 I wonder if they've ever thought about instituting something like that in an MMA promotion.

00:22:11.000 I don't know.

00:22:11.000 I hope not, you know, because I would hate for the fight to get stopped, you know, just for me.

00:22:16.000 Right.

00:22:17.000 Just because, you know, I got dropped four times.

00:22:19.000 It's not like I got up and I, like, you know, didn't have my equilibrium or whatever.

00:22:24.000 Right. 0.99

00:22:26.000 Yeah, I got dropped, but, like, as soon as I hit the ground, I was like, oh, shit, fuck, how'd I get here? 1.00

00:22:31.000 Fuck, fuck. 1.00

00:22:32.000 Do you think some of that toughness comes from football? 1.00

00:22:34.000 Because you cannot play football at a high level without being tough.

00:22:38.000 Um...

00:22:39.000 I think maybe kind of the way I grew up.

00:22:41.000 I'm five out of six.

00:22:43.000 Oh.

00:22:43.000 Yeah, and four boys.

00:22:45.000 Oh, that's it.

00:22:46.000 So, you know, they used to front me up. 1.00

00:22:47.000 That's a recipe for bad motherfuckers. 1.00

00:22:49.000 Get a bunch of boys, let them grow up together, beating the shit out of each other. 1.00

00:22:52.000 Just for their entertainment, too. 0.98

00:22:54.000 I think my oldest brother, he'd be like, I'm bored.

00:22:57.000 Hey, Eric, let's go climb this tree and jump out.

00:23:00.000 Oh, wow.

00:23:01.000 And then he wouldn't jump.

00:23:02.000 It would just be me.

00:23:03.000 Let's go get on the roof and jump or, you know, whatever.

00:23:06.000 I'm like, okay, cool.

00:23:07.000 Let's go.

00:23:08.000 Do they kind of take credit for you fighting now?

00:23:11.000 They should.

00:23:12.000 They should.

00:23:13.000 I've always been a scrappy dude.

00:23:15.000 I've always enjoyed it.

00:23:18.000 I wrestled, fought a lot.

00:23:20.000 Just being a boy growing up.

00:23:23.000 But no training at all?

00:23:25.000 No martial art, no karate, nothing?

00:23:27.000 JV-level experience wrestling.

00:23:29.000 Wow.

00:23:30.000 So when you had your first fight, how long had you been training for?

00:23:34.000 A month.

00:23:34.000 A month?

00:23:35.000 And I fought twice.

00:23:37.000 In a night?

00:23:37.000 Yeah.

00:23:38.000 I think my coach at the time, I'm sure that he was on dope looking back.

00:23:45.000 He'd just be pale.

00:23:46.000 We didn't do nothing but ones and twos.

00:23:48.000 Didn't wrestle.

00:23:49.000 Didn't do anything.

00:23:50.000 He would hardly show up.

00:23:52.000 And, you know, they were like, hey, you want to fight?

00:23:55.000 I was like, all right, cool.

00:23:57.000 And so, dude, I like...

00:23:59.000 It was very like...

00:24:01.000 Dark time in my life, you know?

00:24:03.000 So I drove up to Huntsville, Alabama, smoking Newports. 1.00

00:24:08.000 Smoking Newports a day of the fight? 0.64

00:24:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:10.000 Wow.

00:24:11.000 Man, my coach didn't even show up.

00:24:14.000 Didn't have any corner men.

00:24:16.000 This is in a boxing ring, in a bar, in a smoky bar in the middle of nowhere, Alabama.

00:24:23.000 So I was just like...

00:24:26.000 Sir, do you mind?

00:24:27.000 You don't have to say anything, just do you mind pulling the stool out in between rounds?

00:24:31.000 I boxed one fight, lost a split decision, and then fought MMA, knocked the guy out in 50 seconds, and I was like, I think that's it.

00:24:41.000 In the same night?

00:24:42.000 In the same night.

00:24:42.000 So you had a boxing match, and then you had an MMA fight in the same night.

00:24:46.000 Oh my god.

00:24:47.000 No coach.

00:24:49.000 No athletic commission either, I guarantee you.

00:24:51.000 Zero. 1.00

00:24:52.000 Holy shit, what kind of fucking promotion is that? 1.00

00:24:55.000 Dude, just some rednecks putting together a boxing match or a fight. 1.00

00:24:59.000 They called me while I was on the way up there.

00:25:01.000 They were like, hey, they want you to have your blood work done within the last six months.

00:25:07.000 Have you had your blood work done?

00:25:09.000 I was like, yeah, sure.

00:25:12.000 Like two months ago I did.

00:25:13.000 But dude, of course I didn't.

00:25:15.000 They didn't check.

00:25:16.000 And then as I'm driving, I'm just like, dude, what if the guy that I'm fighting did the same thing?

00:25:21.000 But he does actually have, like, hepatitis or AIDS. So I was like, well, I guess, you know, they'd make it quick, I guess.

00:25:31.000 Don't let him get on top of you and bleed on you.

00:25:33.000 Jesus Christ.

00:25:34.000 So many people have those stories of these wild promotions, these, like, And I had no idea what I was doing.

00:25:41.000 How much do you think you could learn in a month with zero previous training? 0.96

00:25:46.000 And a shitty coach who's probably on dope. 0.99

00:25:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:49.000 Fucking like nodding off his shit in the middle of practice. 1.00

00:25:51.000 There's a lot of those coaches like that out there. 1.00

00:25:52.000 I was like, fuck dude, what was I doing? 0.99

00:25:53.000 A buddy of mine, his kickboxing coach, he was on heroin. 0.99

00:25:56.000 He found out by going to the bathroom when he found needles in the bathroom. 0.99

00:26:00.000 He's like, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

00:26:02.000 I think that's rock bottom. 0.99

00:26:04.000 Heroin's a weird one, right?

00:26:05.000 When you're shooting heroin, poof.

00:26:09.000 He was the same thing. 0.99

00:26:10.000 He was nodding off all the time and shit, and he kind of suspected. 0.96

00:26:14.000 Yeah, you all right, dude. 1.00

00:26:15.000 Fucking slap him in the face. 1.00

00:26:16.000 Like, wake up, dude. 1.00

00:26:17.000 This is practice.

00:26:18.000 It's just that world.

00:26:19.000 The world of the heroin user is such a strange world.

00:26:23.000 Because that is one of those drugs where, like, you could do coke, I guess.

00:26:28.000 You could party and still have your life together.

00:26:30.000 Like, allegedly, Conor McGregor does coke.

00:26:33.000 You know, allegedly.

00:26:34.000 I don't know if he does coke.

00:26:36.000 Seems like a guy who might do a little coke.

00:26:39.000 Believable.

00:26:40.000 Believable.

00:26:40.000 But that's like a party drug that sometimes people can do and be fine.

00:26:45.000 But if you heard that Connor was shooting heroin, you'd be like, what?

00:26:48.000 Don't believe it.

00:26:49.000 You'd be like, what?

00:26:51.000 You're like, oh man, he needs some help.

00:26:53.000 Someone needs to help him.

00:26:54.000 Let me see his arms.

00:26:55.000 Let me check those fingernails. 1.00

00:26:57.000 That's when you're hurting.

00:26:59.000 That's when you're really hurting.

00:27:00.000 When you're shooting heroin.

00:27:02.000 That is like, that's one of the lowest of low. 1.00

00:27:06.000 Like, if you're just making that commitment to puncture your vein and pump that shit in there. 1.00

00:27:11.000 I think that some like the process. 0.99

00:27:15.000 Getting the spoon, tying off, melting it, you know, putting it in the syringe, and then going to space.

00:27:23.000 Going to space.

00:27:24.000 I've never done any opiates other than when I had knee surgery.

00:27:29.000 They gave me a button that you could press, and you get a little morphine drip, and I remember hitting that button.

00:27:35.000 It was like, oh, I get it.

00:27:37.000 Oh, now I know why people like this.

00:27:39.000 It was so relaxing.

00:27:41.000 I don't know about...

00:27:42.000 I don't think I would never do heroin, but I think I would probably smoke opium, though.

00:27:49.000 Well, this is a friend of mine, his name is Dr. Carl Hart, and he's actually a professor at Columbia.

00:27:54.000 And he started off his career as a clinical researcher.

00:27:59.000 And he was very straight-laced, never did any drugs.

00:28:01.000 And then, as time went on, he started realizing that our perceptions on drugs are way off.

00:28:08.000 And what, you know, people think of heroin as, like, being terrible for you.

00:28:11.000 This is for you, too, if you want some caffeine.

00:28:16.000 And he recreationally uses drugs and talks about it.

00:28:21.000 But he's a legitimate professor.

00:28:24.000 So when he talks about it, he can talk about it from a pharmacological perspective.

00:28:28.000 He can talk about the actual reaction that the human body has to these drugs, and he knows it.

00:28:33.000 But he opened his eyes, like, I snort a little heroin every now and then.

00:28:36.000 Really?

00:28:37.000 Yeah.

00:28:38.000 He's like, what?

00:28:39.000 I think we all let that D.A.R.E. officer down, man.

00:28:42.000 We all let him do.

00:28:43.000 He's very disappointed.

00:28:45.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:28:46.000 But he lied.

00:28:47.000 Like, which drugs?

00:28:48.000 Which drugs?

00:28:49.000 Am I going to say no to coffee? 1.00

00:28:50.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:28:51.000 Like, what are we saying no to? 1.00

00:28:52.000 Say no to alcohol?

00:28:53.000 Always?

00:28:54.000 Forever?

00:28:54.000 I can't even have champagne at a wedding?

00:28:57.000 Fuck out of here. 1.00

00:28:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:28:59.000 But you know, there are like functioning, you know, alcoholics and people who can do these things, but I think at the end of the day, the drug wins, whatever it is, if you have that If you're an addict.

00:29:12.000 But I think addiction is more than just physical.

00:29:18.000 It's the choice to start doing so much drugs that your body becomes dependent upon it.

00:29:24.000 Those choices are usually not choices that are made by people that are having a good life.

00:29:29.000 Sure.

00:29:31.000 Or maybe their life is too good.

00:29:33.000 A lot of it is escape.

00:29:35.000 It's trauma.

00:29:36.000 Trauma as a kid.

00:29:39.000 Sexual abuse. 1.00

00:29:41.000 That kind of shit. 1.00

00:29:42.000 That's a lot of people that get hooked on drugs. 1.00

00:29:45.000 I think you could probably do stuff to get off of that.

00:29:49.000 I think mushrooms is good to get over that.

00:29:53.000 DMT, wildest ride I've ever had.

00:29:56.000 I smoked that toad before.

00:29:59.000 I think that just completely eliminates your ego and helps you get over that kind of stuff.

00:30:05.000 Isn't it hard to believe that it's real?

00:30:07.000 When you do it, you're like, how can I get there that quick?

00:30:10.000 How can I just smoke this thing and then 15 seconds later I'm there?

00:30:13.000 I did it like three times in one session, like a small, medium, and, you know, an astronomical dose.

00:30:23.000 And, like, the second one, I was like, man, I always hear people like astro, like, oh, they're talking about astro-projecting and this sounds, I was like...

00:30:30.000 Whatever. 1.00

00:30:31.000 I'm not sure if I believe that, but dude, that shit is real. 1.00

00:30:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:30:35.000 And the third time I did it, I laid down and dude was just like Star Wars, just lightspeed.

00:30:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:41.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:30:42.000 Actually, I was in Cejudo's backyard when I did it. 1.00

00:30:46.000 Really?

00:30:47.000 And dude, he was like running around screaming.

00:30:50.000 I was.

00:30:51.000 Doing forward rolls in his yard.

00:30:53.000 Dude, I thought. 0.99

00:30:54.000 I was like, dude, I just fucked up, dude. 0.98

00:30:56.000 This is... 0.97

00:30:57.000 Yeah, I thought that, too.

00:30:58.000 I'm dead.

00:30:58.000 I thought I was dead, too.

00:30:59.000 Yeah, I was like, fuck. 0.99

00:31:00.000 So, you know, you kind of like resist. 1.00

00:31:01.000 You're like, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck. 1.00

00:31:03.000 So, I was like running around his backyard, like screaming at the top of my lungs, rolling around on the grass. 1.00

00:31:10.000 Dude, when I woke up, I wasn't in the same place that I was, and I had, like, grass things all over my hands and my clothes and stuff, and I'm like, dude, are you okay?

00:31:21.000 But, dude, it was like nirvana.

00:31:22.000 I was like, dude, don't touch me. 0.98

00:31:23.000 Just fucking let me enjoy this moment, dude. 0.99

00:31:26.000 I fucking face a nice cold grass, watching the grass grow. 1.00

00:31:31.000 I was like, fuck, dude, just give me a second. 1.00

00:31:33.000 Let me take this in. 0.99

00:31:35.000 It's a reset, right?

00:31:37.000 Yeah.

00:31:37.000 It just changes what you think about life and reality.

00:31:40.000 Just like that.

00:31:42.000 And for me, like, you know, sometimes you have a hard time admitting things to yourself.

00:31:48.000 But I was like, dude, you know, after that, I don't think that's an issue anymore.

00:31:53.000 And...

00:31:55.000 What kind of things to yourself could you admit after that?

00:32:00.000 When I fought Chiago Santos, my style of fighting was much different before than it was after.

00:32:06.000 A lot of people were like, I want to take it to my limit.

00:32:09.000 Well, I found my limit in that fight, and I never wanted to get to that place again.

00:32:16.000 Was that a 205 fight?

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:19.000 So I kind of like lie to myself and it's like, oh dude, you're just tired, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever.

00:32:26.000 But then I go back and watch the fights after that and the pace is slower, the output is slower because I don't want to get to that level of exhaustion ever. 0.99

00:32:35.000 And then you do that and it's like, fuck it, you know? 0.96

00:32:38.000 If you get there, you get there, you know? 1.00

00:32:39.000 Yeah.

00:32:41.000 And you know, I haven't been able to smoke weed ever since then.

00:32:46.000 I've smoked like five times and I get like crazy paranoid and anxiety and I'm just like...

00:32:50.000 After the DMT or after the fight?

00:32:52.000 After the DMT. Really?

00:32:54.000 And I was like, it's not fun anymore.

00:32:56.000 Huh.

00:32:58.000 It makes you crazy paranoid.

00:33:00.000 Interesting.

00:33:00.000 Yeah, like I did it on the way to the airport.

00:33:04.000 I smoked on the way to the airport, and dude, I just could not stop thinking about death.

00:33:08.000 I was like, dude, if I crash this car, if I do this, and I was like, on the airplane, or in the airport, just in my head, like going crazy.

00:33:15.000 I was like, dude, I don't want to like...

00:33:17.000 I hope I don't act out like, you know, kind of like go through that rolling around on the ground.

00:33:22.000 Those guys on TMZ. Yeah.

00:33:23.000 I was like, dude, they're going to lock me up in a mental institution. 0.99

00:33:26.000 They're not going to be hearing shit about no toe. 1.00

00:33:28.000 They're like, dude, this guy's fucking licking toes. 1.00

00:33:31.000 Like, if I can put him in a straight jacket, like get him out of here. 0.99

00:33:34.000 So it's just not enjoyable anymore.

00:33:36.000 That's funny.

00:33:37.000 That's my favorite way to travel.

00:33:39.000 When I fly, I'm almost always a high.

00:33:42.000 Like, what I would do is, when I lived in LA, I was 40 minutes from the airport, and I would take a 200 milligram edible in my driveway, and I would go, let's go!

00:33:51.000 And then I just had to get to the airport before it kicked in.

00:33:55.000 Yeah, I did that one time on a plane.

00:33:57.000 And, dude, I just, you know, it was getting like, it was like too much.

00:34:03.000 I don't remember how much I took, but I ate like a whole chocolate bar, however much was in that.

00:34:07.000 And, dude, I fell asleep on the plane.

00:34:09.000 I felt the plane take off.

00:34:11.000 I woke up when it landed.

00:34:13.000 And I left Vegas and landed back in Vegas.

00:34:15.000 Like, the plane took off and came back. 0.89

00:34:17.000 And it was like, oh, we fucking had, you know, a malfunction or whatever. 0.93

00:34:22.000 And I was like, this cannot fucking be happening to me right now. 1.00

00:34:25.000 I was in the middle seat, like, fuck. 0.99

00:34:27.000 It took the plane like an hour to even leave the first time. 1.00

00:34:30.000 And you're tripping.

00:34:31.000 And I was like, oh my god.

00:34:33.000 This is not how this was supposed to go, man.

00:34:36.000 Well, it's a feeling of not being in control is what accentuates the feeling of being high on a plane.

00:34:42.000 Because when you're just strapped in that seat and you're going 500 miles an hour, 30,000 feet in the air, that alone is weird.

00:34:48.000 I was like, how did y'all...

00:34:50.000 Why did we have to get in the air for y'all to know that the plane wasn't working right?

00:34:54.000 Kind of want to get off of this particular airplane right now.

00:34:57.000 Yeah.

00:34:58.000 That's scary shit. 0.99

00:35:00.000 We haven't had a plane crash in a long time. 1.00

00:35:02.000 I probably shouldn't say that, knock on wood.

00:35:04.000 But it's been a while.

00:35:06.000 But that feeling of being completely out of control.

00:35:10.000 And then, you know, you hear about pilots being underpaid. 0.99

00:35:13.000 And you're like, oh, fucking pay these guys. 0.99

00:35:16.000 Yeah, 300 lives at a time. 1.00

00:35:19.000 Yeah, it's just...

00:35:20.000 I knock out on the plane, dude.

00:35:22.000 Yeah?

00:35:22.000 I put that seat back just a little bit so I'm not straight up.

00:35:25.000 Just a little bit.

00:35:26.000 Put my head on the window and it's over with.

00:35:28.000 Well, that's one good thing about training all the time is you're always tired.

00:35:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:31.000 You know?

00:35:32.000 You could always take a little nap.

00:35:34.000 All the time.

00:35:35.000 I live by naps.

00:35:36.000 I can't sleep at like more than four hours at a time.

00:35:39.000 Really?

00:35:39.000 Or whatever, I can't.

00:35:41.000 Always?

00:35:41.000 Your whole life?

00:35:42.000 My whole life.

00:35:43.000 Really?

00:35:43.000 I have to be walking around the house at like 3 o'clock, 4 o'clock in the morning.

00:35:47.000 No shit. 0.99

00:35:48.000 What do you do when that happens? 1.00

00:35:51.000 Just fucking them up? 0.98

00:35:52.000 I used to get up and go run or go work out. 0.98

00:35:56.000 But then I found out that overtraining is a real thing.

00:36:01.000 So I was like, dude, even if I can't sleep, it's probably better to just lay here and be still or watch TV, read a book, do something, than go out there and train.

00:36:12.000 Have you overtrained before?

00:36:13.000 Yes.

00:36:14.000 I trained, I think...

00:36:19.000 I think I fought Marcus Perez my second fight, and dude, I trained my ass off. 0.97

00:36:22.000 I was running, and then I'm warming up in the back, and I'm talking about like three minutes into a mid-session, dude, I was fucking exhausted. 0.85

00:36:30.000 I was like, whew. 0.94

00:36:32.000 Really?

00:36:32.000 Dude, I'm gonna sit down, and my coach's like, oh, you gotta get moving.

00:36:35.000 I was like, I don't want to leave it in here, buddy. 1.00

00:36:37.000 I'm gonna fuck you in. 1.00

00:36:39.000 Wow. 1.00

00:36:40.000 But, dude, you know, I fought hard for three rounds, you know.

00:36:44.000 But you knew that you were not at your full potential?

00:36:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:36:47.000 I was like, fuck, dude. 1.00

00:36:49.000 If this shit gets hectic, you go bad really quick. 1.00

00:36:53.000 I think that's the most helpless thing. 1.00

00:36:55.000 When you're so tired, you can't defend yourself.

00:36:57.000 I did not want that to happen, but it definitely went my way.

00:37:01.000 Yeah, that's the scariest thing for any fighter to be in that position, especially if you're fighting someone who's got a crazy gas tank.

00:37:09.000 It's like when guys level up, when you get to this level of, like this Max Holloway level, dudes who have crazy volume and never get tired, and you see guys in the middle of a fight with Holloway sometimes when they're like, what the fuck is going on?

00:37:23.000 How is this guy not tired?

00:37:25.000 How does he keep going? 0.99

00:37:26.000 And the fights like that, do you guys see that shit live to, like, truly appreciate it? 0.99

00:37:30.000 Yes. 0.99

00:37:31.000 Like, I was there when he fought Ortega.

00:37:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:36.000 And I was like... 0.99

00:37:37.000 I've watched him fight on TV, and it's like, oh, fuck, dude, he's just picking and popping. 1.00

00:37:42.000 But, dude, he's got some fucking... 1.00

00:37:44.000 Don't. 1.00

00:37:44.000 Yeah, he's got some thumbs. 1.00

00:37:46.000 He's just so smart.

00:37:48.000 The way he fights is so smart.

00:37:50.000 Like, super high volume, a lot of footwork and movement, and his distance intelligence is knowing when to come in and when to come out, and how he was like slipping away from Ortega, and then he's helping him block. 0.99

00:38:02.000 Remember that shit? 0.97

00:38:03.000 He's like, put your hands on me this, bro. 1.00

00:38:05.000 Fuck, I'm tired, dude. 1.00

00:38:06.000 Stop hitting me. 1.00

00:38:07.000 Stop hitting me.

00:38:07.000 I mean, helping him in the middle of the fight.

00:38:11.000 Yeah, he was in the zone for sure.

00:38:13.000 Well, the Calvin Cater fight was the one when he was really the most in the zone.

00:38:17.000 When he was in the middle of that fight, he's got his hands down and he's talking to people on the side of the cage. 0.91

00:38:23.000 He's like, I'm the best fucking boxer in MMA. And then Calvin's throwing punches at him and he's just moving his head away with his hands down. 0.73

00:38:32.000 And Calvin up until that was like...

00:38:35.000 You know, he still is one of the best featherweight contenders.

00:38:37.000 But up until that, it's like, hey man, this guy might be a champion someday.

00:38:41.000 Well, his boxing, he's also got superb boxing.

00:38:44.000 Yes.

00:38:45.000 And he got out-boxed.

00:38:47.000 He got pieced up.

00:38:48.000 Yeah.

00:38:49.000 He got pieced up.

00:38:50.000 I mean, that was like one of Max's finest performances. 0.97

00:38:53.000 But it's like that joke goes to show you how fucking good Yair Rodriguez is because that fight was wild. 0.94

00:38:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:38:59.000 That fight was wild. 0.99

00:39:00.000 I watched that fight again a couple of weeks ago.

00:39:02.000 I was in the gym and I put it on.

00:39:04.000 I was working out.

00:39:05.000 I stopped working out just to watch that fight. 0.99

00:39:07.000 I was like, holy fuck, I forgot how good this fight is. 0.99

00:39:09.000 He's a lot tougher than I thought he was. 1.00

00:39:11.000 Yair is a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:39:12.000 I was like, fuck, dude. 1.00

00:39:13.000 His kicks are crazy. 1.00

00:39:16.000 Like, he had high volume, real power, and fast as shit. 0.99

00:39:20.000 And, like, more like a Taekwondo style than even, like, Muay Thai style. 0.99

00:39:24.000 But it's real dangerous, man.

00:39:26.000 You know who I, like, appreciated when I saw them fight live?

00:39:29.000 I was there when Robbie Lawler fought Nick Diaz.

00:39:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:35.000 Just watching him on TV, just kind of looks like he's just...

00:39:38.000 I was like, dude, this motherfucker's got fast-ass hands, and he ain't even fought in... 0.99

00:39:42.000 You know, three or four years and he was changing up the speed. 0.99

00:39:45.000 I was like, dude, this dude is fucking way better.

00:39:47.000 Nick at his prime was amazing. 0.95

00:39:49.000 Did you ever see one of the great fights of Strikeforce was Nick versus Paul Daly.

00:39:54.000 Did you ever see that fight?

00:39:56.000 Yes.

00:39:56.000 Yeah.

00:39:58.000 Because Paul Daly has one of the most lethal left hands that's ever, ever been thrown in all of MMA. That fucking dude nukes everybody. 0.99

00:40:07.000 And he hurt Nick a couple of times in that fight. 1.00

00:40:09.000 And that was a crazy fight because Nick was the guy that was known as a jiu-jitsu black belt.

00:40:14.000 I mean, yeah, he had knocked out Robbie Lawler, but Paul Daly was one of the scariest strikers to ever fight in MMA. I mean, still to this day, one of my favorite knockout artists because he just nukes everybody.

00:40:25.000 He hits you with that left hand. 1.00

00:40:27.000 You're fucked. 1.00

00:40:27.000 And he fights left hand forward, too, which is kind of crazy. 1.00

00:40:31.000 He just recently retired, right?

00:40:32.000 Yeah, and he knocked his last opponent out, which is perfect.

00:40:36.000 That's how you got to go out.

00:40:37.000 That's like the dream scenario.

00:40:39.000 It's perfect.

00:40:40.000 So they went to war, and Paul hurt him.

00:40:43.000 Paul hurt him bad. 0.99

00:40:45.000 The way Paul punches, I mean, it's fucking amazing. 0.99

00:40:48.000 Look at that. 0.99

00:40:49.000 I mean, he almost head kicked him there when he was down.

00:40:52.000 Is that illegal back then?

00:40:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:54.000 It was illegal back then.

00:40:55.000 It's not illegal at one FC, though.

00:40:57.000 But here's the thing.

00:40:59.000 Paul, while he's doing this, is like unloading the gas tank.

00:41:02.000 Every shot is full clip.

00:41:04.000 So he's essentially sprinting.

00:41:06.000 And that is like one of Nick Diaz's things. 1.00

00:41:08.000 He talks shit to you, and he never throws full blast. 0.99

00:41:13.000 So he's hitting you with like 60%, 50%. 1.00

00:41:16.000 He's touching you.

00:41:18.000 He's touching you. 1.00

00:41:19.000 But he's talking a lot of shit. 1.00

00:41:20.000 He's there at the finish line. 1.00

00:41:22.000 So even when he's throwing these kicks, he's not throwing them with everything he's got.

00:41:26.000 But Paul is already tired.

00:41:28.000 Like, Paul just sprinted trying to get Nick out of there because he gets everybody out of there.

00:41:33.000 Everybody who stands in front of him, he was blasting.

00:41:35.000 And this fight goes into deep water in this first round.

00:41:39.000 And Nick starts seeing him slow down, so he starts attacking him.

00:41:43.000 And right when you think that Paul's done, you know, Paul's like taking a little break.

00:41:47.000 Paul clips him again and hurts him again in the fight.

00:41:51.000 I mean, it was one of the best performances of Nick Diaz's career.

00:41:55.000 And people that know how good Nick is, a lot of people don't know him from these days, from the Strikeforce days. 0.99

00:42:04.000 That looks slow on TV, but I bet you in real life it's like he's fucking whipping you. 0.88

00:42:10.000 Oh yeah, and he knows like when to throw hard, right? 0.97

00:42:14.000 Like half the time he's pity-patting you, but when he's got openings, he throws hard.

00:42:18.000 And so he winds up on the bottom here.

00:42:20.000 But this is like, the problem was, you know, Chael Sonnen once said, like, if you don't win by knockout, and you try to win by knockout, you're definitely going to lose by decision.

00:42:31.000 And that's kind of like what happened in this fight.

00:42:33.000 Like, look at Paul, he's so tired.

00:42:35.000 I had them legs done.

00:42:36.000 Yeah, he's so tired.

00:42:37.000 And Nick knows it, too.

00:42:38.000 So look, he's throwing kicks at him.

00:42:40.000 And Nick is a guy that swam back and forth from...

00:42:44.000 Look, he clipped him again, though.

00:42:45.000 See?

00:42:45.000 Dropped him again.

00:42:47.000 And, you know, maybe if Paul had dropped him early in the fight like that, and he got him in this position, he would have been able to really hurt him.

00:42:56.000 But...

00:42:57.000 Nick has swam back from Alcatraz five times. 0.99

00:43:01.000 His cardio is fucking crazy. 0.97

00:43:04.000 He does triathlons. 1.00

00:43:06.000 How far is that?

00:43:07.000 I don't know.

00:43:08.000 It's like at least a mile in the water.

00:43:10.000 I would say the current is super strong.

00:43:13.000 And it's filled with great white sharks.

00:43:15.000 But the point is, it's like, Nick had phenomenal cardio.

00:43:19.000 That was one of his biggest weapons, as it could keep the heat on you.

00:43:23.000 2 to 2.5 miles.

00:43:25.000 How does the distance change? 1.00

00:43:27.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:43:27.000 The current pushes you. 1.00

00:43:30.000 So look at the current works.

00:43:32.000 So you're not in a straight shot.

00:43:36.000 You're getting pushed away.

00:43:38.000 Wow.

00:43:39.000 That's pretty wild.

00:43:40.000 That's pretty wild.

00:43:41.000 Look how far you actually have to go.

00:43:43.000 Maybe nothing.

00:43:44.000 I'm just going to go for a little swim today.

00:43:46.000 But it's filled with sharks.

00:43:48.000 That's the thing.

00:43:49.000 That's where sharks breed. 0.61

00:43:50.000 There's a shitload of sharks up there. 0.97

00:43:53.000 They find them all the time with drones.

00:43:55.000 It's really spooky because people don't even know.

00:43:57.000 They'd be walking around next to the...

00:43:59.000 And they fly a drone over them. 0.99

00:44:01.000 And you see like a fucking 15-foot shark just swimming around with people. 1.00

00:44:05.000 Yeah, see, boy, we don't fuck with the ocean like that, man. 0.99

00:44:08.000 I get my toes wet, you know, I enjoy the waves, enjoy the smell of the salt water, but ankle deep is about as far as I'm going. 0.98

00:44:14.000 I'm with you.

00:44:15.000 I will do a little bit of snorkeling near coral reefs, like if I'm on vacation, as long as I get like 100% confirmation there's no sharks in this area.

00:44:25.000 There's a lot of stuff in there that they can get me.

00:44:28.000 Take my chances online, man.

00:44:30.000 It's dangerous enough out here.

00:44:31.000 The thing about it is you can't move good in there. 0.99

00:44:33.000 That's what's fucked. 0.99

00:44:34.000 You can't get away. 1.00

00:44:36.000 Whatever it is, if it pulls you under, even if you don't bleed to death or lose your leg or whatever, you're going to drown, which is probably one of the worst ways to fucking die outside of being burned alive. 0.96

00:44:46.000 They say it's one of the most peaceful ways because you just kind of black out. 0.98

00:44:49.000 I'm going to panic a lot before I black out.

00:44:51.000 I'm going to exert a lot and swallow a lot of water before I black out.

00:44:56.000 Yeah, it's not fun, but it's like, those fights, like, it's interesting to me the different kind of styles, right?

00:45:04.000 Like, there's the guys that sprint, and they can get guys out of there in the first round, and then there's guys that just, like, slowly start putting heat on you and cooking you, and then they come after you.

00:45:15.000 Yeah, and then, yeah.

00:45:19.000 I don't know.

00:45:19.000 I like the brawlers.

00:45:20.000 But there is something to be appreciated for, like, the technicians.

00:45:24.000 Like the Adesanya's and, you know, the McGregor's and stuff like that.

00:45:30.000 It's a really interesting fight this weekend.

00:45:33.000 Jared Cannoneer, yeah, that is about as big as a 185-pound man gets.

00:45:37.000 Yeah, and I think he's like super deceptively long.

00:45:41.000 Like, he's short.

00:45:42.000 I think he's only 5'8", 5'9", or 5'10", something like that.

00:45:45.000 But dude, I bet you he could scratch his kneecap standing up.

00:45:48.000 I think he's bigger than that.

00:45:50.000 I think Jared is, I think he's six feet tall.

00:45:53.000 How tall is Kananir?

00:45:54.000 5'9"?

00:45:55.000 Really?

00:45:57.000 Wow.

00:45:57.000 I'm confused.

00:45:59.000 He used to be a heavyweight.

00:46:00.000 That's why I'm thinking it.

00:46:01.000 Because, you know, Jared started off his career as a heavyweight.

00:46:03.000 Yeah.

00:46:04.000 And then got down to 205 and then now...

00:46:07.000 But look at his reach.

00:46:08.000 He's 5'9 with a 77.5 reach.

00:46:11.000 Yeah, that is a long reach. 0.98

00:46:13.000 The thing about Jared is, like, he's so fucking shredded and lean and strong. 0.94

00:46:19.000 Like, that guy has serious power. 0.98

00:46:22.000 Like, serious, serious power.

00:46:24.000 Don't sleep.

00:46:25.000 Yeah.

00:46:25.000 But I think the problem is I don't think anybody controls the distance as good as Adesanya does.

00:46:31.000 No, he's the most sophisticated striker the sport's ever seen, in my opinion. 0.98

00:46:36.000 He's set shit up. 0.98

00:46:37.000 He's reading you. 1.00

00:46:38.000 He's probing you.

00:46:40.000 You know when you really see it?

00:46:41.000 The Paulo Costa fight.

00:46:42.000 Because Paulo Costa was just steamrolling.

00:46:44.000 Everybody just come forward, steamroll, steamroll.

00:46:47.000 And Izzy just picked him apart.

00:46:50.000 Yeah, from a distance.

00:46:52.000 Yeah.

00:46:53.000 I think the only person who, like...

00:46:55.000 Not the only person who gave him trouble, but was Kelvin Gastelum.

00:47:00.000 Kelvin gave him some trouble.

00:47:00.000 Kind of like blitzed him a lot.

00:47:02.000 Well, Kelvin, you know, especially then in that fight, you know, Kelvin has had some good fights and bad fights, but in that fight, Kelvin was at the top of his fucking game.

00:47:11.000 I don't think Cantoneer has that same speed changeup that Calvin does.

00:47:19.000 Calvin has very smooth and efficient hands.

00:47:24.000 When Calvin throws his hands in combination, the knockout of Bisping, that straight left, he's so efficient.

00:47:30.000 Everything is so smooth.

00:47:32.000 He's a lot bigger than you would think.

00:47:34.000 He trains at fight ready too.

00:47:36.000 So it says he's 6 feet tall.

00:47:38.000 I don't know.

00:47:38.000 Maybe it was saying 5.9 instead of actually 5.9 on that other thing.

00:47:41.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:47:43.000 So almost 6 feet tall.

00:47:45.000 And here it says 6 feet tall.

00:47:46.000 He's definitely not 5.9.

00:47:48.000 That makes more sense.

00:47:51.000 Yeah, because I'm like, I think he's bigger than that, because when he was heavyweight, he was a big guy.

00:47:56.000 Either way, it's an interesting fight.

00:47:59.000 Skill-wise, as far as the sophistication of the striking, Izzy is the man.

00:48:05.000 But Jared is a dangerous guy.

00:48:08.000 Sure. 0.99

00:48:09.000 He knocks a lot of fucking people out, and he knocked out Blond Brunson. 0.99

00:48:12.000 I mean, Derek Bronson, when he was blonde, was... 0.99

00:48:14.000 Speaking of that, he's 6'1".

00:48:17.000 Bronson is?

00:48:18.000 Yeah.

00:48:18.000 So he looks a couple inches taller than...

00:48:20.000 But who knows who has shoes on?

00:48:22.000 Sometimes, because if Jared is weighing in last, that means Jared might not have put his shoes back on.

00:48:29.000 It's hard to tell.

00:48:30.000 It's hard to tell.

00:48:32.000 It has enough, 5'11".

00:48:33.000 5'11".

00:48:33.000 Okay.

00:48:34.000 Okay, well, whatever.

00:48:35.000 Whatever he is, he's awesome.

00:48:37.000 And he's 37, huh?

00:48:40.000 I used to picture him as a heavyweight, too.

00:48:42.000 Interesting.

00:48:42.000 This is his first title shot, too.

00:48:44.000 Yeah, he was way bigger.

00:48:45.000 He's all shredded now.

00:48:47.000 But he's, again, he's 185 for about an hour.

00:48:50.000 He's another one.

00:48:51.000 Yeah, I wonder when he walks back into the...

00:48:53.000 He looks big.

00:48:54.000 He looks big.

00:48:55.000 And it's like he's very durable and very strong.

00:48:58.000 And the knockout of Brunson was a big one.

00:49:00.000 Because Derek, you know, when he's blonde Brunson, blonde Brunson was... 1.00

00:49:03.000 Superhero.

00:49:04.000 He was on a roll, man, you know?

00:49:06.000 You know, he beat a lot of tough, tough guys, you know?

00:49:11.000 That's an interesting fight.

00:49:14.000 There's two really interesting fights on the card other than the main event.

00:49:17.000 To me, it's Alex Pereira and Sean Strickland.

00:49:21.000 That's where the rubber hits the road. 0.99

00:49:23.000 Those motherfuckers are going to meet in the middle and let them ride. 1.00

00:49:26.000 We're going to find out. 1.00

00:49:28.000 Zero takedown attempts in that fight.

00:49:29.000 Unless Strickland gets hit.

00:49:31.000 If Strickland gets hit and he gets cracked, I guarantee that Strickland can fight on the ground.

00:49:37.000 He's got a ground game.

00:49:39.000 He's got a ground game.

00:49:41.000 And Mikolaitis, how do you say his name?

00:49:45.000 He was able to take Pereira down.

00:49:48.000 Oh, the Greek guy. 0.94

00:49:49.000 And Pereira won in the second round with that crazy flying knee.

00:49:53.000 That was his first fight in the UFC, right?

00:49:57.000 Yeah, that was his first fight in the UFC. In Madison Square Garden.

00:50:02.000 Now he's got his feet wet a little bit.

00:50:04.000 Bruno Silva, he just fought, desperately tried to take him down. 1.00

00:50:08.000 That guy's a bad motherfucker. 0.99

00:50:10.000 Bruno Silva can crack. 1.00

00:50:11.000 He's a really good striker, and he hit Alex.

00:50:14.000 He hit Alex with some good shots. 1.00

00:50:16.000 There was a point where he was like, dude, fuck this stand-up shit. 1.00

00:50:20.000 But he couldn't take him down, dude. 1.00

00:50:21.000 He had him up against a cage out in space, and he did a really good job staying on his feet.

00:50:27.000 Well, what Alex has done that's very interesting to me is he teamed up with Glover.

00:50:31.000 And when he teamed up with Glover, I mean, it's an interesting camp.

00:50:33.000 Like, who's going to Connecticut to fight for world titles, right?

00:50:36.000 Glover.

00:50:37.000 And Glover's resurgence all coincides with him training with Alex.

00:50:41.000 Really?

00:50:42.000 When Alex came and started training with him, that's when Glover really made, like, his last run and got to the title and beat Yon.

00:50:49.000 Why do you think that is?

00:50:50.000 That's all connected.

00:50:50.000 Because I think iron sharpens iron.

00:50:52.000 I think he needed a fucking assassin in camp with him, like a young assassin like Pereira. 0.99

00:50:57.000 But do you think they spar heavy, like beat the shit out of each other? 0.99

00:51:01.000 Probably not, right? 0.95

00:51:03.000 Probably not.

00:51:04.000 Probably drill a little bit more.

00:51:05.000 Not at 42?

00:51:06.000 Probably not.

00:51:07.000 Strickland does, though. 1.00

00:51:09.000 That motherfucker travels just to spar. 1.00

00:51:12.000 Apparently that's all he wants to do, is just spar all day, hard. 1.00

00:51:15.000 He spars hard all day.

00:51:16.000 Spars with everybody.

00:51:17.000 I believe it.

00:51:19.000 You know, I mean, Bobby Green said it.

00:51:22.000 Bobby Green's, like, trained with him and seeing, like, what he does. 0.99

00:51:25.000 He's like, that motherfucker goes hard with everybody. 0.99

00:51:27.000 He just goes hard. 0.99

00:51:27.000 I've seen Eric Nixick post a picture of him sparring with Ningano. 0.99

00:51:32.000 He's like, dude, he's the only motherfucker in the gym who seeks that guy out. 0.99

00:51:35.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99

00:51:36.000 Yeah, I sparred with that dude one time. 1.00

00:51:38.000 I was like, listen, dude, you're a fucking big motherfucker. 1.00

00:51:42.000 I'm not a big motherfucker. 1.00

00:51:43.000 So, you know, he's like, ho, ho, you won't die. 1.00

00:51:47.000 But...

00:51:49.000 Getting hurt, that's another thing.

00:51:52.000 I was like...

00:51:53.000 Haha, you won't die.

00:51:54.000 Yeah, I was like, ah, but maybe.

00:51:56.000 Meanwhile, he's saying this. 1.00

00:51:58.000 He's fucking got someone else's blood all over his rash guard and shit. 1.00

00:52:01.000 So I was like, dude. 1.00

00:52:03.000 So when the round started, I tried to grab him.

00:52:05.000 And of course, you know, he sprawled.

00:52:07.000 And I spent the whole time in half guard with him beating my body up.

00:52:10.000 And he's like, oh, you thought that'd be easy, huh?

00:52:13.000 I was like, no, dude, I didn't.

00:52:14.000 I didn't.

00:52:15.000 I thought it was just the lesser of two evils.

00:52:18.000 Either you doing that or you thumping me in my head.

00:52:22.000 Well, Strickland was brought in to help Johnny Elbin, who just beat Gegard Mousasi for the Bellator middleweight championship.

00:52:31.000 Did you watch that fight?

00:52:32.000 I haven't. 0.98

00:52:33.000 I saw the eclipse that he was fucking putting up work in. 0.98

00:52:37.000 I was very impressed. 0.99

00:52:38.000 Very impressed.

00:52:39.000 Because Gegard...

00:52:40.000 And Musashi's nice, man.

00:52:41.000 Very nice.

00:52:42.000 He is one of the best middleweights on earth. 0.99

00:52:44.000 And Johnny won every fucking round. 0.99

00:52:47.000 Every fucking round. 1.00

00:52:48.000 He was hurting him, too. 1.00

00:52:48.000 Hurt him, dropped him early in the first round. 1.00

00:52:50.000 Had him really badly hurt.

00:52:51.000 Took him down.

00:52:53.000 Dominated him on the ground. 1.00

00:52:54.000 I mean, won every fucking round. 0.99

00:52:57.000 And there was a fight where he was like a big underdog coming into that fight. 0.99

00:53:00.000 For good reason.

00:53:01.000 Those are the fights I like to bet on, though.

00:53:02.000 Yeah.

00:53:03.000 If I see plus 900, I'm throwing something at it. 0.99

00:53:06.000 Every rip.

00:53:07.000 Yeah, well, in that one, a lot of people were, like, really high on Elbin going into that fight.

00:53:12.000 And that's one of the reasons why I was so interested in it.

00:53:14.000 Like, a lot of those ATT guys were very high on him.

00:53:17.000 And this is after, you know, Gegard had destroyed Austin Vanderfold. 0.98

00:53:23.000 He fucked him up quick. 0.95

00:53:25.000 And so a lot of people... 0.96

00:53:26.000 And then Gegard was saying after the fight, like, I am the best middleweight on earth. 0.85

00:53:29.000 And he's the guy that I was always like, damn, I wish he hadn't gone over to Bellator.

00:53:35.000 Because, like, he had beat Chris Weidman. 0.90

00:53:38.000 How many fights does he have?

00:53:40.000 Gegard?

00:53:40.000 That dude's like 47 and 10 or something.

00:53:43.000 Bro, he beat Mark Hunt.

00:53:46.000 I'm pretty sure he submitted him, if I remember correctly.

00:53:49.000 I think he upkicked him and caught him with a triangle or something. 0.85

00:53:55.000 I'm trying to remember what the fuck happened in that fight. 0.95

00:53:58.000 But he can do everything. 0.97

00:53:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:59.000 Gengard can do everything.

00:54:01.000 Really well, too. 0.99

00:54:02.000 And you look at him, he looks like the guy who's here to fix your fucking computer. 0.99

00:54:05.000 You know? 0.99

00:54:06.000 He wears glasses, too, right?

00:54:08.000 He looks so unassuming.

00:54:09.000 Yeah.

00:54:10.000 And even the way he talks, so unassuming.

00:54:12.000 That's the cool thing about, like, jiu-jitsu and martial arts or whatever. 0.99

00:54:15.000 Like, boxers, like, motherfuckers look like they're athletes. 0.99

00:54:17.000 Straight arm bar. 1.00

00:54:18.000 Caught him with an arm bar.

00:54:19.000 Oh, it was, um...

00:54:21.000 You know who he...

00:54:22.000 He beat Jacare.

00:54:24.000 He KO'd him with an upkick.

00:54:25.000 That's what it is.

00:54:26.000 I'm, uh...

00:54:28.000 And he beat Melvin Manhoof with a triangle.

00:54:30.000 Man, he's beat everybody.

00:54:31.000 Dennis Kang.

00:54:32.000 Jesus Christ.

00:54:33.000 He's beat everybody, man.

00:54:35.000 He beat Lombard.

00:54:37.000 What's his record?

00:54:38.000 Something preposterous.

00:54:40.000 It's like 49-8-2 or something like that.

00:54:42.000 Jesus Christ.

00:54:42.000 49 wins.

00:54:45.000 28 knockouts.

00:54:46.000 So Austin VanderFold, John Stalter, Douglas Lima, and Lyoto Machida.

00:54:51.000 And he lost to Lovato.

00:54:53.000 And that was an interesting fight.

00:54:55.000 He was complaining that he thought Lovato was on steroids.

00:54:58.000 But that's just because when you clinch up with a guy like Lovato, multiple-time world jiu-jitsu champion, your ego does not want you to believe that the guy's that strong.

00:55:10.000 Or that good that I grappled with, Lovato.

00:55:13.000 And I was like, this is like the... 0.87

00:55:15.000 He could kill me if he was.

00:55:18.000 It was like nothing. 0.65

00:55:19.000 And he was like effortless.

00:55:20.000 Yeah.

00:55:21.000 He was just kind of like floating around.

00:55:23.000 And who else is like that is Gordon Ryan.

00:55:26.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:55:26.000 I was like, dude, this motherfucker is like mauling me right now. 1.00

00:55:28.000 I'm trying. 1.00

00:55:29.000 Yeah.

00:55:30.000 And he's just...

00:55:30.000 Yeah, his heart rate barely goes up.

00:55:33.000 Yep.

00:55:34.000 All right, it's time for you to tap now, buddy. 0.99

00:55:36.000 It's fucking... 0.97

00:55:37.000 I know Isn't it interesting when someone does that when you roll with somebody and they just kind of baby you and they're still like completely in control That's the levels of jujitsu that are so disconcerting. 0.99

00:55:49.000 Because you feel like, oh, I'm at a pretty good level.

00:55:51.000 You know, I can defend.

00:55:52.000 You know, I'll be fine.

00:55:54.000 So you think.

00:55:56.000 That's also the cool thing about MMA. There's not a whole lot of, like, there's a lot more humble people in.

00:56:03.000 Because you know, I get choked out on a daily basis, so I know that I can get fucked up. 0.99

00:56:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:56:08.000 Like in a locker room, you know, there's like three or four alpha males. 0.99

00:56:12.000 No one ever tries them, so they don't even know.

00:56:14.000 Right. 1.00

00:56:15.000 Some dude who looks like Gengar Musasa will fuck you up and choke you unconscious or knock you out. 1.00

00:56:20.000 There's nothing you can do about it. 1.00

00:56:21.000 If you saw Austin Vanderford right next to Gegard, you're like, oh, this gorilla with the fucking ears and the tattoos all over his neck. 0.99

00:56:30.000 That guy's going to win. 1.00

00:56:31.000 That guy looks like a killer fighter.

00:56:33.000 And Gegard just lit him up on fire.

00:56:35.000 Yeah.

00:56:36.000 And even the way he talks, everything like nice and soft, you know?

00:56:39.000 There's a cool thing about jiu-jitsu, dude, it's like, you can't just look at somebody and be like, you know, brush them off. 0.98

00:56:45.000 Like, dude, I'm gonna fucking grab your neck, it's over with. 0.97

00:56:48.000 Oh, there's a ton of guys that are like nerd assassins. 0.99

00:56:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:52.000 They're built like techs.

00:56:54.000 Like a Ryan Hall.

00:56:55.000 Yes, perfect example. 1.00

00:56:56.000 Dude, I fucking got sperm bigger than you do. 1.00

00:56:59.000 Chill out. 1.00

00:57:01.000 Chill out.

00:57:02.000 Yeah, but those guys, when you actually roll with them, it's so confusing.

00:57:07.000 It's the beautiful art because with jiu-jitsu, it's the one martial art where the big guy can get dominated by the little guy.

00:57:16.000 Sure.

00:57:17.000 Because the reality is, any other world where a guy the size of, say, Michael Chandler has zero chance against a guy the size of Francis Ngannou.

00:57:30.000 Zero.

00:57:31.000 Like, zero.

00:57:31.000 Like, if they're sparring.

00:57:33.000 Like, if they're just going to throw hands...

00:57:35.000 He has zero chance.

00:57:36.000 I'm putting all my chips on the big guy.

00:57:39.000 All of them. 0.98

00:57:40.000 But in jiu-jitsu, if you get a guy like Charles Oliveira, who's that good at jiu-jitsu, he could strangle a fucking heavyweight. 0.98

00:57:47.000 And I've seen it. 0.98

00:57:48.000 I've seen it happen.

00:57:49.000 Oh yeah, I've seen it.

00:57:51.000 A guy who doesn't know jiu-jitsu gets, and he's rolling, just doing jiu-jitsu with a guy like him, and he gets your back.

00:57:57.000 Olivera's jiu-jitsu is some of the best I've ever seen in MMA. Seamless.

00:58:01.000 It's like world championship caliber jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu, but he's doing it in an MMA match.

00:58:07.000 He's the one guy where it doesn't matter what happens in the fight. 0.99

00:58:11.000 If you go to the ground with him, you're in deep shit. 1.00

00:58:14.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:58:15.000 Like that Dustin Poirier fight?

00:58:16.000 They're all scared to do it.

00:58:17.000 Yes!

00:58:18.000 Like Gaethje had him hurt, and he's like, no, no, no.

00:58:22.000 Well, you see what happened when he dropped Gaethje and then he got on top of him.

00:58:26.000 He just strangles you.

00:58:28.000 He just goes straight to it.

00:58:30.000 I think he's had a resurgence, too, because I remember when he kind of got on this roll, they were like, oh, dude, no, I don't think so, because he's a quitter.

00:58:37.000 He's weak. 1.00

00:58:38.000 I'm like, all right, dude, fuck that. 1.00

00:58:40.000 Isn't that interesting? 1.00

00:58:41.000 I wonder what it is that changes in a fighter.

00:58:45.000 Is it a mindset thing?

00:58:48.000 I don't know what it is, but something happens where some guys just don't quit anymore.

00:58:54.000 They just get to this level and something changes.

00:58:58.000 So my wife grew up with Oliveira in Guadagia, Brazil.

00:59:04.000 And so she knows him really well and he just kind of eliminated all the negative people out of his life.

00:59:11.000 Really?

00:59:12.000 So I guess probably started taking training more seriously, you know, put more time and effort in the gym and not so much into other people.

00:59:21.000 Now he's knocking people out.

00:59:23.000 Yeah, knocking people out, strangling people.

00:59:25.000 It was the most submissions ever in the history of the sport.

00:59:28.000 He's the one guy that I really wish Khabib would have fought. 0.81

00:59:32.000 Like, now.

00:59:34.000 Like, if Khabib was going to come back... 0.99

00:59:36.000 And I wonder, I mean, I'm very interested in Khabib versus Islam Makachev. 0.99

00:59:42.000 Because that's, to me, that's the big fight in lightweight.

00:59:45.000 Khabib or Charles?

00:59:46.000 Did I say Khabib? 0.96

00:59:47.000 I meant Charles.

00:59:48.000 I meant Oliveira.

00:59:48.000 Oliveira versus Islam Makachev.

00:59:50.000 But if Islam Makachev loses to Charles Oliveira...

00:59:55.000 Then, if Khabib had like one more in him...

00:59:58.000 You don't think there's a price tag they could throw at him?

01:00:00.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:00:02.000 Break the bank.

01:00:03.000 Bro, he's as heavy as you right now, though.

01:00:04.000 That's fine.

01:00:05.000 Hey, baby, money's a motivator.

01:00:07.000 I know, and it's a motivator. 1.00

01:00:08.000 Throw a couple of M's at him, he's like, shit, I'll get down. 1.00

01:00:10.000 We can even do it at 70. It doesn't even matter. 1.00

01:00:12.000 I don't know if he's motivated by money.

01:00:14.000 You don't think so?

01:00:15.000 I don't know.

01:00:16.000 He's an interesting guy.

01:00:17.000 I mean, to be as dominant as Khabib was for as long as he is, and, you know, super religious. 0.97

01:00:23.000 Guy drives a Toyota truck, you know, worth millions of dollars.

01:00:26.000 Everything's got a price tag.

01:00:27.000 I know.

01:00:28.000 Everything's got a price tag.

01:00:30.000 But I wonder.

01:00:30.000 I wonder what that price tag is.

01:00:32.000 Like, what is it?

01:00:33.000 Is it 50?

01:00:34.000 Like, what is it?

01:00:36.000 What's the sound?

01:00:39.000 Like, what's the number that has to come out before it's like the record skips?

01:00:44.000 I don't know.

01:00:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:00:46.000 What did you say?

01:00:47.000 Say that again. 0.71

01:00:48.000 All right, cool.

01:00:48.000 How long did you say?

01:00:49.000 When?

01:00:50.000 $60 million.

01:00:52.000 Yeah, dude.

01:00:53.000 Anybody on planet Earth.

01:00:55.000 Yeah.

01:00:55.000 I wonder.

01:00:57.000 You know, because there's paydays that happen, you know, like when Pacquiao fought Floyd, you know, when Conor fought Floyd.

01:01:04.000 Floyd's obviously been involved in most of the big, big, big, big paydays.

01:01:08.000 But there's paydays that happen where you go, ooh.

01:01:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:01:12.000 You know, he gets a lot of shit. 1.00

01:01:13.000 People say he's not smart. 1.00

01:01:15.000 Floyd?

01:01:15.000 I don't know, like, what his reading level is, but business mind?

01:01:20.000 Dude, the dude's fucking smart as shit. 1.00

01:01:22.000 Saying he's not smart because he doesn't have a high reading level, because he doesn't read a lot, is like saying that someone who's like really good at something else, like really good at playing chess, but sucks at jiu-jitsu is dumb because they suck at jiu-jitsu. 1.00

01:01:38.000 It's like, how much time has he spent trying to read?

01:01:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:01:41.000 Almost none, right?

01:01:42.000 But how much time has he spent at boxing? 0.99

01:01:44.000 Fucking his whole life. 1.00

01:01:45.000 You can't be that good at boxing and not be smart. 1.00

01:01:48.000 It's not possible.

01:01:50.000 Even the business aspect.

01:01:51.000 He bought himself out of his contract for $250,000 and then a few years later ends up fighting for $300,000.

01:02:00.000 Who's the dummy?

01:02:02.000 Well, he's smart enough to know how good he is.

01:02:05.000 He was talking about Triple G, because Triple G's about to fight Canelo.

01:02:09.000 And he's like, even at 40 years old, he's easy.

01:02:11.000 He goes, Triple G ain't nothing.

01:02:13.000 He's not nothing special.

01:02:14.000 He's easy.

01:02:15.000 And the way he said it, it's like, I don't think he's bragging.

01:02:19.000 I believe you.

01:02:19.000 He pieced up Canelo, man.

01:02:21.000 When he fought Canelo, he gave him a boxing lesson.

01:02:25.000 What do you think happens now?

01:02:28.000 I don't know.

01:02:30.000 I don't know.

01:02:31.000 You know, like, Floyd is 40, and he also hasn't really been fighting.

01:02:35.000 I mean, he's been fighting, but he's fighting guys like Logan Paul.

01:02:38.000 Exhibitions.

01:02:39.000 I mean, when he was fighting in Japan, he actually walked around, or in Saudi Arabia, he walked around with, was it Dubai? 0.97

01:02:44.000 Where the fuck did he fight? 0.69

01:02:45.000 When he fought that exhibition. 0.99

01:02:47.000 He walked around with a ring card girl's card.

01:02:48.000 He took her card and he walked around with three rounds.

01:02:51.000 He was having a good time entertaining the crowd.

01:02:54.000 So he's more of like a showman now.

01:02:56.000 He fought that Tenshin Nasukawa.

01:02:59.000 That guy weighs like 125 pounds.

01:03:01.000 That guy's tiny.

01:03:02.000 That was like a crazy fight.

01:03:04.000 But...

01:03:05.000 Made a lot of money.

01:03:06.000 Time wins. 0.61

01:03:07.000 Father time wins.

01:03:09.000 Father time wins.

01:03:10.000 But the guy doesn't drink.

01:03:12.000 He's always in phenomenal shape.

01:03:14.000 Still stays in condition.

01:03:15.000 Still sparring in the gym.

01:03:16.000 Still working out.

01:03:18.000 Bernard Hopkins had some of his best fights in his 40s.

01:03:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:21.000 And it's because Bernard was super disciplined.

01:03:24.000 Always super disciplined.

01:03:26.000 Bernard was never out of shape. 0.99

01:03:28.000 Bernard never ate bullshit. 0.97

01:03:30.000 And Bernard fought with a very defensive-minded, very intelligent strategy. 0.99

01:03:35.000 Really aware.

01:03:37.000 Knew exactly what he was doing at every moment.

01:03:40.000 Never opened up.

01:03:41.000 Bernard Hopkins never like wide swinging punches.

01:03:44.000 Everything was this and here.

01:03:45.000 Structurally sound.

01:03:46.000 Perfect.

01:03:47.000 Very defensively responsible.

01:03:50.000 I don't know how people do that.

01:03:52.000 Whenever I train, I can do it for a short period of time when I'm not training, dude.

01:03:57.000 Or getting ready for a fight in particular.

01:03:59.000 Yeah, I'll still stay in shape, but not fighting shape. 0.99

01:04:02.000 But dude, I gotta have a drink or eat bullshit. 0.99

01:04:06.000 It's good for the soul, man. 1.00

01:04:08.000 Those guys must not have souls.

01:04:11.000 Well, some of the greats agreed with you, like Roberto Duran.

01:04:15.000 Roberto Duran, like one of the greats of all time.

01:04:21.000 Unnegotiable.

01:04:21.000 No one will disagree.

01:04:23.000 And Roberto got fat as fuck in between fights. 0.99

01:04:26.000 That's how Sugar Ray got him the second time. 0.99

01:04:28.000 He gave him a short amount of time to get ready and Roberto was really fat.

01:04:31.000 He was like 190 pounds.

01:04:33.000 I feel like they made a movie.

01:04:36.000 About that.

01:04:37.000 Well, it's a documentary.

01:04:39.000 The Four Kings.

01:04:40.000 That's what it is, right?

01:04:42.000 Isn't that a Showtime documentary?

01:04:43.000 Isn't it called Four Kings?

01:04:44.000 It's about Sugar Ray, Thomas Hearns, Roberta Duran, and Marvin Hagler.

01:04:49.000 It's phenomenal.

01:04:51.000 Might have to check it out.

01:04:51.000 If you are a boxing fan, it's phenomenal.

01:04:54.000 Because those guys were just all going back and forth with each other.

01:04:59.000 What's it?

01:05:01.000 Is that what it's called?

01:05:02.000 The Four Kings?

01:05:02.000 I think that's what it is.

01:05:04.000 It's a Showtime documentary.

01:05:08.000 Yeah?

01:05:08.000 Yeah, there's a book called Four Kings.

01:05:10.000 The Kings is all it is.

01:05:11.000 Oh, it's The Kings?

01:05:12.000 That's what it is?

01:05:13.000 Okay.

01:05:14.000 But, um, it's about those guys.

01:05:16.000 There it is.

01:05:17.000 The Kings. 0.99

01:05:18.000 Fucking great. 0.98

01:05:19.000 I can't recommend it enough. 0.97

01:05:20.000 If you want to get excited about working out, watch that. 0.98

01:05:23.000 Because in their primes, man, god damn, there were some fights. 0.99

01:05:28.000 When Roberto Duran beat Sugar Ray Leonard in Montreal, holy shit. 1.00

01:05:34.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:05:37.000 Marvin was always my favorite when I was a kid because I lived in Boston and he was... 0.99

01:05:41.000 Is he from Boston?

01:05:42.000 Yeah, he's from Brockton.

01:05:45.000 He was the man.

01:05:46.000 He was the...

01:05:47.000 I mean, that was the guy representing Boston on the world map of boxing.

01:05:52.000 Did he always live and train in Boston?

01:05:54.000 Oh yeah, he would go to the Cape.

01:05:56.000 It was like a famous story.

01:05:57.000 We tried to find it, but I watched this thing when I was a kid.

01:06:01.000 It was like a news story, and Marvin was training for a Mustafa Ham show, and he was running on the beach, and it was like freezing cold out, and he was running in combat boots.

01:06:12.000 He would run in combat boots.

01:06:14.000 Those ankle weights?

01:06:16.000 I guess he just wanted to...

01:06:18.000 He was like he was going to war.

01:06:19.000 So he put these boots on.

01:06:21.000 He was running on the beach in boots.

01:06:23.000 And he was screaming war.

01:06:26.000 Really?

01:06:28.000 To this day, man.

01:06:29.000 I was like...

01:06:30.000 I don't know.

01:06:31.000 I was like 16 or 17. And I was watching.

01:06:33.000 I was like, fuck. 1.00

01:06:34.000 They filmed him doing it? 1.00

01:06:35.000 Yeah.

01:06:36.000 He was running on the beach going...

01:06:41.000 And he was the champ.

01:06:43.000 It was Marvin Hagler.

01:06:44.000 And it's just like, the discipline that he had.

01:06:47.000 That guy was in phenomenal shape.

01:06:50.000 And he would put a pace on people, man.

01:06:52.000 He was an excellent boxer, the best switch hitter in the game at the time.

01:06:57.000 And his workout routine, his calisthenics routine was legendary.

01:07:04.000 I mean, that guy was always in tip-top shape.

01:07:06.000 Again, never got fat, never got out of shape.

01:07:11.000 He was phenomenal.

01:07:13.000 In his prime, he was phenomenal.

01:07:15.000 And when he finally beat Tommy Hearns, when he knocked out Tommy Hearns in one of the greatest fights of all time, that was when he finally got his due. 0.92

01:07:22.000 But his physique, I mean, Marvin was fucking shredded. 0.98

01:07:30.000 And you know there was like he had a chip on his shoulder too because like for years and years He was winning and beating everybody who's the champ, but didn't quite get his due Yeah, you know like he always felt like they passed him by when they were glorifying Sugar Ray or glorifying Tommy Hearns Those most dangerous motherfuckers somebody fighting for something. 0.95

01:07:50.000 Yeah, you know put some respect on Monday Yeah, he always had a chip on his shoulder, and I think he needed that chip to get, you know, really ramped up about stuff.

01:08:00.000 Sure. 1.00

01:08:00.000 You know, but fuck, man. 1.00

01:08:02.000 Some of his fights, John the Beast Mugabe, when he knocked out Mugabe. 1.00

01:08:06.000 Did you ever see that guy fight?

01:08:07.000 Uh-uh.

01:08:08.000 John the Beast Mugabe was terrifying. 0.92

01:08:10.000 He was a murderous puncher, and he was knocking everybody out. 0.93

01:08:14.000 But the thing about Hagler was, one of the things about him was his chin was incredible. 0.55

01:08:20.000 They did an analysis.

01:08:23.000 I think they did an MRI on him or something.

01:08:25.000 But they found out that the muscles on the sides of his head were three times larger than a normal person.

01:08:31.000 So he had built-in head guard. 0.99

01:08:35.000 Hagler had muscles on the side of his fucking head. 0.99

01:08:38.000 Do you think he developed that? 1.00

01:08:40.000 Could be.

01:08:41.000 Could be.

01:08:41.000 If you think if you had a mouthpiece in all the time and you're biting down, think of that.

01:08:47.000 There are muscles there.

01:08:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:08:49.000 You know?

01:08:49.000 When you see someone like your jaw muscles, you definitely can develop jaw muscles.

01:08:54.000 I know there's a lot of people have done workouts where they take like an elastic band and they'll wrap it in like athletic tape and they clamp down on it.

01:09:08.000 And then they'll pull and they'll do things with their jaw to develop their jaw muscles.

01:09:12.000 You think it's like works your neck out too?

01:09:15.000 It does work your neck out a little, but the best thing for the neck is something that, you know, is just, you're just using your neck.

01:09:22.000 Or an iron neck.

01:09:23.000 You use an iron neck.

01:09:24.000 Yeah, yeah, uh-huh.

01:09:24.000 Yeah, that thing's the best thing for the neck.

01:09:26.000 I think your, like the strength of your neck has a lot to do...

01:09:32.000 Like, I don't know if it's like maybe your neck, like it absorbs it better or it keeps it from like whipping too hard when you get hit.

01:09:40.000 100%.

01:09:40.000 That's it.

01:09:41.000 I just think that, you know, there's a correlation between like the strength of your neck and how durable you could be.

01:09:48.000 Definitely.

01:09:49.000 Yeah, no doubt.

01:09:52.000 There's certain shots where you can get hit where it doesn't matter, like temple shots.

01:09:58.000 Temple shots are weird.

01:09:59.000 Like on the tip of your chin?

01:10:02.000 Yeah.

01:10:03.000 It's weird.

01:10:04.000 The human body's not designed to get hit.

01:10:08.000 There's vulnerable spots.

01:10:10.000 Dude, it's crazy.

01:10:11.000 I think humans are the most durable and fragile thing ever.

01:10:15.000 Right. 1.00

01:10:16.000 You hear somebody getting hit by a car and he's like, oh shit. 1.00

01:10:19.000 Somebody step off a curb and tear their ACL or break their leg. 1.00

01:10:23.000 I'm like, how the fuck did that happen? 0.98

01:10:25.000 Well, we vary a lot. 0.99

01:10:27.000 That was the thing about Hagler.

01:10:29.000 No one could hurt him.

01:10:32.000 Even Tommy Hearns broke his hand on him in that fight.

01:10:35.000 But Mugabe hit him with an uppercut, snapped Hagler's head back, and Hagler just kept moving forward. 1.00

01:10:41.000 You could see Mugabe like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:10:43.000 And he eventually stopped him. 0.99

01:10:45.000 The only guy that ever knocked him down was Juan Roldan. 1.00

01:10:48.000 And Juan Roldan was a bullshit knockdown. 0.99

01:10:50.000 He, like, kind of, like, cuffed him behind the head. 1.00

01:10:52.000 And pulled him down.

01:10:53.000 And pulled him down.

01:10:54.000 They called it a knockdown. 1.00

01:10:55.000 And Hagler got up and was like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:10:58.000 And they called it a knockdown. 1.00

01:11:00.000 It's fucked up. 1.00

01:11:01.000 It's fucked up because, like, that was his career. 1.00

01:11:04.000 Like, the guy never got knocked down. 1.00

01:11:05.000 And this was one bullshit knockdown. 0.99

01:11:07.000 And then he wound up stopping and rolled down in that fight. 0.98

01:11:10.000 Uh, what do you think about Colby and, uh, Ushman?

01:11:12.000 You think Colby took Ushman down at the account as two points?

01:11:16.000 Yeah, Colby took him down.

01:11:17.000 If DC says he took him down, he took him down.

01:11:21.000 That's two!

01:11:22.000 He says zero takedowns.

01:11:24.000 Yeah, that's not correct.

01:11:26.000 I'd go with Cormier.

01:11:27.000 You go with the Olympic wrestler.

01:11:29.000 The Olympic wrestler says he took him down. 1.00

01:11:31.000 Look, Colby's a hell of a fucking wrestler. 0.99

01:11:32.000 He's a hell of a fighter. 0.99

01:11:33.000 And maybe he would be the champ if it wasn't for Usman, but he's in that Usman era.

01:11:38.000 Yeah, poor him.

01:11:39.000 It's funny because Usman tells everybody, like, that's my gatekeeper.

01:11:42.000 You gotta beat Kobe if you want to shout out the title. 1.00

01:11:44.000 And then Kobe's like, fuck! 1.00

01:11:46.000 Because it's like, you know, he's got a point. 1.00

01:11:49.000 Yeah, sure, he got him twice.

01:11:51.000 He beat him twice.

01:11:52.000 And, you know...

01:11:54.000 There were good fights, but it was clear who won.

01:11:58.000 The first one, he stopped him.

01:11:59.000 The second one, he dropped him, hurt him bad twice. 1.00

01:12:02.000 I mean, he's the fucking man. 0.99

01:12:05.000 His hands got real fucking good, too. 0.99

01:12:08.000 He used to just wrestle people, and that's why he probably had that 10-fight win streak before he got a title fight, because no one wants to just watch somebody wrestle, and he started putting hands on people. 0.99

01:12:17.000 Oh, shit, okay.

01:12:18.000 Well, he got the 10-fight win streak before he got a shot at the title because nobody wanted to fight him. 1.00

01:12:23.000 He was mauling everybody.

01:12:24.000 The thing about Usman is, if you watch up until the Colby fights, nobody's even really given him a hard time.

01:12:31.000 Colby at least gave him some hard rounds.

01:12:34.000 But everybody else gets mauled. 0.98

01:12:36.000 I mean, what he did to Tyron Woodley to win the title, like, shit, we never saw anybody do that to Tyron before that. 0.99

01:12:41.000 Man, it's crazy. 0.98

01:12:42.000 You see some of these guys, like, they're beating...

01:12:45.000 The ease in which they're beating the top guys.

01:12:49.000 How is he that much better?

01:12:52.000 And it's not like an attribute thing, right?

01:12:54.000 Everybody at the top is big, strong, fast, has all the attributes.

01:12:58.000 There's something else, probably mentally, that they do for preparation or whatever.

01:13:05.000 Because you have to be consistent, too.

01:13:08.000 There's some guys like, oh, he's really good, but sometimes he don't show up on fight night. 0.99

01:13:12.000 And these motherfuckers are showing up every night against every opponent. 1.00

01:13:15.000 And I think that's the difference between a mid-tier guy and the 1% of the 1%. 0.99

01:13:25.000 It's the guys who show up consistently and can perform in any situation, adverse situation.

01:13:31.000 And some of these guys like Ushman, Adesanya, all of the other...

01:13:35.000 Khabib.

01:13:35.000 Yeah, they do it with ease.

01:13:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:37.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:13:38.000 Well, I mean, Adesanya's had tough fights, right? 1.00

01:13:40.000 He lost to Jan Bohovic.

01:13:42.000 That was a tough fight.

01:13:43.000 And, you know, he's had, like, difficult moments inside the octagon, but figured it out.

01:13:50.000 But Khabib never even had a tough moment.

01:13:52.000 Yeah, I'm not even sure he's ever been hit.

01:13:54.000 He got hit.

01:13:55.000 Michael Johnson.

01:13:56.000 Johnson cracked him. 0.98

01:13:57.000 He hit him with a good punch and rocked him a little, but then he wound up beating the shit out of Johnson and saying, you gotta quit. 0.82

01:14:02.000 I need the title fight. 0.94

01:14:04.000 You know I deserve this.

01:14:05.000 You know I deserve this.

01:14:06.000 That's gotta be demoralizing. 1.00

01:14:08.000 He's like, fuck, dude. 1.00

01:14:09.000 You know, you might have a point. 1.00

01:14:10.000 That was one of those moments where I'm like, please tap.

01:14:13.000 Please tap.

01:14:14.000 Because I was waiting for that.

01:14:16.000 When Frank Mir fought Noguera and snapped his arm, when he had him in that full Kimura, I'm like, Jesus Christ, Johnson. 0.80

01:14:22.000 Please tap.

01:14:23.000 Because it's coming.

01:14:24.000 The same with Makachev and Dan Hooker.

01:14:26.000 When Makachev had Dan Hooker like that, I'm like, oh, please tap.

01:14:28.000 Please tap. 0.99

01:14:29.000 Because that Kimura, when you don't tap, that is a nasty brain. 0.99

01:14:32.000 Yeah, that spiral. 0.99

01:14:34.000 It's like the worst one you can have outside of a compound. 0.99

01:14:38.000 Yeah, when that thing snaps, too, it's like, now you're fucked for maybe the rest of your life. 0.98

01:14:44.000 Dude, when Frank Mirra did that to Noguera, Noguera just kind of got up and was like, I don't know if that's right, but... 0.93

01:14:51.000 Are you not in pain right now, dude? 0.99

01:14:53.000 Does that shit not hurt? 0.99

01:14:54.000 Because it looks like it hurts. 1.00

01:14:55.000 Well, how about when Muniz did it to Jacare?

01:14:59.000 Yeah.

01:15:00.000 Yeah, we could hear that one, like...

01:15:02.000 Was it No Crowd?

01:15:05.000 Was it in the Apex?

01:15:06.000 I don't remember.

01:15:09.000 I feel like that one would echo.

01:15:11.000 It was loud.

01:15:12.000 It was loud.

01:15:13.000 Whatever it was was loud.

01:15:15.000 Like you could hear the crack.

01:15:16.000 But you could also see the arm give in.

01:15:19.000 And he's been in that position.

01:15:21.000 He gets to that position multiple times.

01:15:24.000 He got me like that. 0.99

01:15:25.000 I ain't gonna let him break my shit though. 0.99

01:15:27.000 Here it is. 1.00

01:15:28.000 So he rolls and see Jacare's right arm is fucked right now. 0.99

01:15:32.000 And watch how he turns. 0.99

01:15:33.000 Watch this. 0.99

01:15:37.000 That just fucking hurts watching it. 0.97

01:15:40.000 Was he the best Jiu Jitsu guy you've ever fought, Muniz? 0.98

01:15:43.000 By far and away, for sure.

01:15:45.000 What was it like?

01:15:47.000 He wasn't super strong.

01:15:49.000 He was just a step ahead.

01:15:52.000 He was on my back, fell off my back, and I thought that he...

01:15:55.000 Because he had my leg, too.

01:15:56.000 So I was kind of doing a split, so I thought he was going for that...

01:16:00.000 That knee bar off the back?

01:16:01.000 I don't know what it is.

01:16:03.000 Funkmaster hit it on Cody Stamen.

01:16:05.000 Yeah, that knee bar. 0.83

01:16:06.000 I was like, nah, I ain't going out like that.

01:16:08.000 But then he tucked my hand into his hip, and then...

01:16:14.000 I didn't even realize.

01:16:17.000 It's great because I prepared for that arm bar.

01:16:21.000 I knew that that was his thing, but I thought he was going for the leg and I'd be able to post and get up.

01:16:26.000 His face was right there, so I was like, maybe I can get it with my arm. 0.99

01:16:30.000 I was like, shit, it's too late. 1.00

01:16:33.000 Fuck, fuck, fuck. 1.00

01:16:35.000 And it kind of sucks because you're like thinking about it. 1.00

01:16:37.000 It's like, damn, I'm kind of stuck here. 0.98

01:16:40.000 My arm's not broke yet, but it's hurting. 0.97

01:16:43.000 Should I just let it break?

01:16:44.000 Should I just...

01:16:46.000 No, I think...

01:16:47.000 I think I'll tap and save my arm. 1.00

01:16:52.000 Yeah, fuck that, man. 1.00

01:16:54.000 In like a, you know, millisecond. 1.00

01:16:56.000 All those thoughts go through your head as your arms like... 1.00

01:16:59.000 Alright, dude, fuck it. 1.00

01:17:01.000 Especially with that guy, because you've seen him break arms. 1.00

01:17:04.000 Yeah.

01:17:05.000 You know?

01:17:05.000 Like Frank Mir.

01:17:06.000 If that guy gets your arm, just tap.

01:17:09.000 Me broke two arms.

01:17:10.000 Who else broke two arms inside the octagon?

01:17:13.000 You know?

01:17:14.000 Frank Mir's probably the leading arm breaker.

01:17:16.000 In the history of this war.

01:17:17.000 The arm collector.

01:17:18.000 Yeah, I mean, he broke Noguera's arm and he broke Tim Sylvia's arm.

01:17:22.000 Two top-flight guys.

01:17:24.000 Two world champions. 1.00

01:17:25.000 Yeah, fuck. 1.00

01:17:26.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:17:28.000 Who knows what the fuck Frank Mir would have happened to him if he didn't get hit by that car. 1.00

01:17:32.000 You know, he was on a motorcycle. 1.00

01:17:34.000 Some asshole ran a red light, slammed into him, sent him flying, and heavy fracture of his feet. 0.99

01:17:39.000 They had a video of that, right? 1.00

01:17:41.000 I don't know.

01:17:42.000 I don't know.

01:17:43.000 Like a CCTV kind of?

01:17:45.000 Maybe.

01:17:46.000 I don't know.

01:17:46.000 I never saw it.

01:17:47.000 But I know that it took him forever before he came back.

01:17:51.000 Before he was 100% again.

01:17:53.000 It took forever.

01:17:53.000 Especially on a weight-bearing bone.

01:17:55.000 You know, it takes a little bit longer.

01:17:57.000 Look at Conor.

01:17:58.000 He's a big guy.

01:17:59.000 It's been a year plus for Conor.

01:18:01.000 Like, how long has it been since he broke his leg with Dustin?

01:18:04.000 I want to say it was July of last year.

01:18:07.000 I'm not sure.

01:18:08.000 Somewhere around there.

01:18:10.000 He's just started kicking the bag.

01:18:12.000 Just started doing it now.

01:18:13.000 What I had heard was that just a few months ago, he couldn't pivot off of it.

01:18:18.000 He couldn't torque.

01:18:20.000 He wanted to throw a left hook and pivot off his left leg.

01:18:23.000 He couldn't do it.

01:18:25.000 But it looks like he's getting better now.

01:18:27.000 He's throwing kicks with it.

01:18:30.000 You have to think that when he goes into his next fight, how much is he going to kick?

01:18:35.000 That certainly has got to be in the back of your mind. 0.99

01:18:37.000 I broke that shit one time. 0.99

01:18:39.000 But also now he's got a titanium plate in it. 1.00

01:18:42.000 If you could just get plates all over your shit. 1.00

01:18:45.000 Fucking a Wolverine. 1.00

01:18:46.000 Right. 1.00

01:18:46.000 Imagine if someone... 1.00

01:18:48.000 You know how dudes in baseball, they get that Tommy John surgery?

01:18:52.000 There's guys who get surgeries that don't need it because they want to be able to throw better.

01:18:57.000 Yeah, because it's like the rehab and they tighten up that tendon or ligament or whatever.

01:19:01.000 I talked to my friend, the late, great Brody Stevens, and he was saying it's very rare that guys have done that, but he does believe that people have done it.

01:19:09.000 They've gotten elective surgery just so they could throw harder.

01:19:13.000 And I'm like, that's pretty crazy, but...

01:19:15.000 If you could get your forearms done, your upper arms done, your thigh done.

01:19:21.000 I just want my skull done.

01:19:25.000 I wonder if that's possible.

01:19:26.000 I wonder if you could get your chin done.

01:19:29.000 I broke my hand and they had to put a plate in there.

01:19:33.000 And I don't think it makes it harder.

01:19:36.000 No?

01:19:36.000 Dude, that was agony, dude.

01:19:37.000 I broke it in a fight.

01:19:38.000 I broke it fighting Theodoro.

01:19:42.000 And, dude, it didn't really hurt.

01:19:43.000 Like, I could tell that I broke.

01:19:45.000 Like, my hand just felt a little looser.

01:19:47.000 Yeah.

01:19:48.000 And, you know, I could do this and see this little bone or whatever go up and down.

01:19:52.000 But after the fight, took a shower, sat in the stands, watched the rest of the car, carried my son out of there.

01:19:58.000 And...

01:19:59.000 But after surgery, dude, I was like, this is agony, dude.

01:20:03.000 It looks like an erector set. 0.99

01:20:07.000 There's a plate there and screws that I'm sure they use the power drill to drill that shit in there. 1.00

01:20:16.000 I see the x-ray and I was like, dude, that's why this shit hurts. 0.99

01:20:19.000 So does it hurt still? 0.99

01:20:20.000 No, not at all.

01:20:21.000 How long did it take before it felt okay again?

01:20:24.000 I think like six weeks.

01:20:27.000 I think I fought him in December and then I fought again in maybe June.

01:20:36.000 No, April.

01:20:37.000 I fought Roundtree after him.

01:20:38.000 And you obviously don't have any problem throwing it because you...

01:20:42.000 No.

01:20:43.000 Yeah.

01:20:44.000 You're not hesitant.

01:20:45.000 I've had that Tommy John surgery, too.

01:20:47.000 Oh, you did?

01:20:48.000 You had that done?

01:20:49.000 Yeah.

01:20:50.000 And I thought, like, I had a pinched nerve in the elbow and did, like, these two fingers that I couldn't feel.

01:20:56.000 It was just, like, ants running down my arm the whole time.

01:20:59.000 I'd wake up in the middle of the night, like...

01:21:02.000 I fought Machida.

01:21:04.000 It's like all the range of motion I had in my elbow.

01:21:08.000 That's it?

01:21:09.000 Just like a foot?

01:21:10.000 Yeah.

01:21:10.000 I really couldn't even do anything with it.

01:21:15.000 I fought Machida with essentially one arm. 0.97

01:21:18.000 And I was like, you know, maybe it's not the guy to fight with fucking one arm. 0.89

01:21:25.000 But yeah, dude, after surgery, they were taking bone chips out of there, bone spurs. 0.96

01:21:30.000 Now I got everything.

01:21:32.000 Everything back.

01:21:33.000 Wow.

01:21:33.000 How many different surgeries have you had?

01:21:35.000 Just those two?

01:21:35.000 Nah, I've had quite a few.

01:21:37.000 How many?

01:21:38.000 My hand, my elbow, I tore my Achilles. 0.99

01:21:43.000 Oh shit, that's a big one. 0.96

01:21:44.000 Yeah, that was weird because I went my entire... 1.00

01:21:47.000 Football career.

01:21:49.000 I never even pulled a hamstring.

01:21:50.000 Really?

01:21:51.000 Never.

01:21:52.000 Never even pulled a hamstring. 0.99

01:21:54.000 And I think the worst injury I had was like a fucking corneal abrasion. 0.97

01:21:59.000 And I was playing flag football like maybe two years later for a charity thing. 0.97

01:22:06.000 And I was running and you hear like a pop.

01:22:11.000 It didn't really hurt, and I kind of fell, and I thought somebody had, like, kicked my foot. 0.91

01:22:15.000 So I got up, and I was like, dude, that's fucked up, whoever just, you know, tripped me. 0.97

01:22:19.000 And I realized nobody's around me. 1.00

01:22:21.000 So I was like, dang, I just tripped over my own feet, fuck. 0.99

01:22:24.000 And I tried to take a step, and my heel didn't come off the ground. 0.99

01:22:29.000 So I was like, that's not right.

01:22:32.000 So I started looking at everybody's, uh, everybody's face.

01:22:35.000 I thought I dislocated it at that point.

01:22:37.000 But if my foot's facing any other direction, then it should be.

01:22:41.000 People are going to freak out.

01:22:43.000 I looked down.

01:22:44.000 I said, okay, cool.

01:22:44.000 My toes are facing forward.

01:22:46.000 And I took another step and the same thing.

01:22:48.000 The heel didn't come off the ground.

01:22:49.000 I was like, dude, I just tore my Achilles. 1.00

01:22:53.000 Shit. 0.99

01:22:54.000 How long did that rehab? 1.00

01:22:55.000 That's a big one, isn't it? 1.00

01:22:56.000 Yeah, that shit took a while. 0.99

01:22:58.000 But I think I tore it in like July and then I fought in December. 0.99

01:23:04.000 No, that following February.

01:23:08.000 So I think like I fought in like nine months.

01:23:11.000 When did it feel like you could start working out again?

01:23:16.000 I kind of push the envelope when it comes to that thing.

01:23:21.000 They were like, you have to wear a boot with this pad in it, and then eventually you take a little bit of the pad out and your foot lays flat in the boot.

01:23:29.000 I never even wore the thing.

01:23:31.000 Just the boot.

01:23:33.000 I was on crutches.

01:23:35.000 It was summertime. 0.99

01:23:35.000 It was hot as fuck. 0.99

01:23:37.000 Every time you'd hear that shit click. 1.00

01:23:39.000 Click click I'm getting off of these as soon as possible and So I started walking around in the boot and I started running and jogging I Think it's good. 0.99

01:23:50.000 When you get injured with something like that like was this before you were fighting?

01:23:56.000 No, I was fighting.

01:23:58.000 This was an amateur.

01:24:00.000 It wasn't the UFC. No So when you were doing that, did you have access to good rehabilitation facilities?

01:24:08.000 Some of the best in the world are right there in Birmingham.

01:24:10.000 All the WWE guys, all the pro guys, like ball sports, baseball, football, come to Dr. Andrews in Birmingham.

01:24:21.000 Oh, that's because there's so much sports going on down there.

01:24:23.000 Yeah.

01:24:24.000 Have you ever used the UFC? He's the guy who invented Tommy John surgery.

01:24:29.000 Oh, really?

01:24:29.000 Yeah.

01:24:30.000 Oh, no shit. 0.99

01:24:31.000 So everybody, like a lot of baseball players, come to Birmingham to do surgery, get surgery. 0.99

01:24:37.000 And the guy who runs it now, Dr. Kane, he was actually the Alabama team doctor when I was there.

01:24:44.000 So he's done all my stuff.

01:24:46.000 Oh, wow.

01:24:46.000 Except for my eye.

01:24:48.000 I had to go somewhere else.

01:24:49.000 Is that the corneal abrasion?

01:24:50.000 No, I have a wrinkle in my retina.

01:24:54.000 A wrinkle? 1.00

01:24:55.000 Yeah, that's the first time I heard that shit. 0.99

01:24:56.000 Straight lines would be wavy. 1.00

01:25:00.000 My depth perception was getting fucked up. 0.96

01:25:02.000 And I was like, dude, I think I'm going blind in my right eye. 1.00

01:25:07.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:25:07.000 They're like, oh, no. 0.99

01:25:09.000 I mean, eventually you're going to have cataracts, but you're not there yet.

01:25:13.000 Is this a genetic predisposition, or is this from combat support?

01:25:16.000 It's getting socked in the face.

01:25:19.000 Trauma, I guess, is what they said.

01:25:22.000 Yeah, so they had to go in there, and he was like, I essentially spot-welded your retina and cleaned it up or whatever.

01:25:30.000 And I was like, that's my eye.

01:25:32.000 Oh.

01:25:34.000 Yeah, that's when you appreciate a guy like Michael Bisping, right?

01:25:37.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:25:38.000 That guy is a wild motherfucker. 1.00

01:25:40.000 Dude, when I heard that, I was like, dude, this is my new favorite fighter, dude. 1.00

01:25:43.000 You can't say shit. 0.99

01:25:44.000 Ten fights with one eye and won the world title. 0.99

01:25:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:48.000 And then defended the world title with one eye.

01:25:50.000 I was like, what's your excuse? 1.00

01:25:52.000 Look at that motherfucker. 1.00

01:25:53.000 I always say that I would never suggest that anybody did that. 1.00

01:25:58.000 Never.

01:25:59.000 Of course not.

01:25:59.000 Never.

01:26:00.000 But I'm glad he did it.

01:26:01.000 Yeah.

01:26:02.000 Just because it's a story.

01:26:03.000 Just because he did it and he got away with it and he won the world title and no one's ever going to take that away from him.

01:26:07.000 Yeah.

01:26:08.000 But, you know, you kind of need both eyes. 1.00

01:26:09.000 You need to see shit coming from over here, you know. 0.99

01:26:12.000 Well, that's why he explained the Anderson Silva flying knee knockout. 0.99

01:26:15.000 You know, when Anderson, when he was, like, looking for his mouthpiece, he dropped his mouthpiece, and he's trying to point to the referee to tell him that his mouthpiece was out, and Anderson hit him with a flying knee.

01:26:24.000 Yeah.

01:26:24.000 Because he can't see out of his eye.

01:26:26.000 So he's, like, pointing to this, and Anderson...

01:26:31.000 And then he wins the next round.

01:26:36.000 I mean Michael Bisping, that man is the epitome of mental toughness.

01:26:42.000 There's no more mentally challenging thing than you're competing in a sport that's already blinded one of your eyes and you're competing at the highest level and you win the world title.

01:26:54.000 He probably wasn't hurting for money, so it probably wasn't like he had to do that. 1.00

01:27:01.000 He's a fucking savage. 1.00

01:27:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:03.000 He's a fucking savage. 1.00

01:27:04.000 I mean, goddamn. 1.00

01:27:06.000 That's one of the most impressive things I've ever heard in my life. 0.99

01:27:09.000 I didn't believe it at first.

01:27:11.000 I was like, surely not.

01:27:12.000 And he's like, oh yeah, look.

01:27:14.000 And then he popped that aside. 1.00

01:27:15.000 I was like, oh fuck. 0.99

01:27:15.000 Takes that thing out and you see what's going on behind there. 0.99

01:27:18.000 They still to this day can't fix it.

01:27:20.000 He said he can tell the difference between the lights being on and off.

01:27:23.000 That's it.

01:27:23.000 And that's it.

01:27:24.000 That's it.

01:27:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:26.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:27:27.000 So they said you have a wrinkle, so they spot welded it, but why do they think you're going to get cataracts? 1.00

01:27:32.000 I'm not, you know, I really didn't pay attention to that part, but he just said, yeah, eventually you're going to have cataracts.

01:27:40.000 Will they be able to do something about the cataracts?

01:27:42.000 I don't know.

01:27:44.000 I think medical technology is advancing so fast.

01:27:48.000 When I was younger, an ACL injury, your career is done.

01:27:52.000 But now you've got guys like Adrian Peterson.

01:27:56.000 I don't know if you know who that is. 0.99

01:27:57.000 Dude, that motherfucker came back and set the Russian title in nine months after tearing his ACL. Yeah, it's crazy. 1.00

01:28:04.000 So, I'm not really worried about, like, outside of, like, brain stuff, like, physical stuff, I'm not really worried about because by the time I get there, they're going to have an answer.

01:28:15.000 I think so, too.

01:28:16.000 I think you're at a good point right now, where there's so much medical technology that's coming down the pipe, too.

01:28:21.000 They just keep finding new and better ways to fix things, new, better ways to surgically repair things.

01:28:27.000 It's an interesting time. 0.99

01:28:29.000 The only thing they can't write, like, they're still fucked when it comes to knees. 0.99

01:28:32.000 Like, when it comes to, like, meniscus and cartilage. 1.00

01:28:35.000 Yeah.

01:28:36.000 Meniscus and cartilage.

01:28:37.000 Here's another thing. 1.00

01:28:38.000 Kamaru Usman, his knees are fucked. 1.00

01:28:40.000 Yeah, are they? 1.00

01:28:41.000 When he was on the podcast, he told me he can't walk on sidewalks sometimes.

01:28:46.000 He has to walk on the grass because it hurts too much to walk on the sidewalk. 1.00

01:28:51.000 Imagine if that motherfucker was 100%. 1.00

01:28:53.000 Imagine. 1.00

01:28:54.000 He can't run.

01:28:55.000 He doesn't do any cardio like that.

01:28:57.000 All his cardio, he does high-intensity stuff.

01:29:01.000 He does wrestle because you have to.

01:29:03.000 But he said he's accepted the fact that when this is all done, he's going to have to get his knees replaced.

01:29:10.000 That is wild.

01:29:12.000 Yeah.

01:29:12.000 And if you look at it, like, his legs are not big.

01:29:14.000 He does not have big legs. 0.99

01:29:15.000 His upper body is fucking jacked, right? 0.99

01:29:18.000 But his legs, you know, not impressive. 0.99

01:29:21.000 You think that has something to do with it? 1.00

01:29:22.000 I think because his legs are fucked, because his knees are fucked. 1.00

01:29:25.000 He can only do so much with his legs. 1.00

01:29:27.000 What does the muscle have to do with the cartilage, you think?

01:29:31.000 Well, I think he can't use his legs the same way you would use them, you know, if his knees were fine.

01:29:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:29:38.000 Like, if his knees were fine, he's doing squats and deep lunges and sprints up hills and shit like that.

01:29:44.000 I don't think he can do that.

01:29:45.000 I think he has to get all of his cardio in different things.

01:29:47.000 Maybe it's a blessing.

01:29:48.000 Maybe if he had big legs, he'd have to fight it.

01:29:51.000 85?

01:29:52.000 Maybe.

01:29:53.000 That's a good point.

01:29:54.000 But I mean, who knows?

01:29:55.000 I mean, I don't know how much he cuts weight, but I imagine he cuts quite a bit because he seems very large.

01:30:00.000 He's got to be over 200 pounds.

01:30:01.000 He's got to be over 200 pounds.

01:30:03.000 But that brings you to guys like Sean Strickland, who fought at 170 and was really struggling.

01:30:08.000 Now at 85, he's just lighting it up.

01:30:11.000 You know, he probably wasn't, like, cutting weight.

01:30:14.000 He was probably doing that six hours in the sauna thing and not dieting.

01:30:17.000 Maybe.

01:30:18.000 So I think, like, when you do that, your brain gets dehydrated as well.

01:30:22.000 So there's, like, a little, like, membrane or fluid barrier between your skull and your brain to keep, you know, cushion your brain.

01:30:30.000 I think when you wear that down, your brain is crashing into your skull.

01:30:35.000 That's how guys, you know, get dazed and wobbled and, you know, kind of lose their durability.

01:30:41.000 Yeah, I don't know about the technical aspects of that, but I do know for a fact that when guys dehydrate themselves heavily, they lose their ability to take a shot for some reason.

01:30:50.000 It just makes sense.

01:30:52.000 You're weakened.

01:30:54.000 Especially if you do it incorrectly and you don't rehydrate correctly.

01:30:57.000 And then that was a big complaint that a lot of guys had when they took away the IVs.

01:31:01.000 A lot of guys were like, hey, we're going to see a lot more guys get hurt because they just can't rehydrate the same way.

01:31:08.000 Yeah.

01:31:09.000 Somebody was telling me that they were using the IVs to like flush like EPO and stuff.

01:31:16.000 Yep.

01:31:16.000 So I was like, well, I mean, you guys just ruined it for everybody else.

01:31:20.000 Well, they can mask steroid use.

01:31:22.000 They can mask some steroid use, apparently.

01:31:24.000 That's what Nowitzki was saying.

01:31:26.000 They can mask some steroid use with IVs.

01:31:28.000 I'm not exactly sure how that works, but I think it's just some stuff shows up in your urine, and if you could just get a bunch of fluids into your system, like so much so that it flushes it all out, that you can't find the trace of what it is.

01:31:41.000 Dude, the early days...

01:31:43.000 Everybody was on something.

01:31:45.000 You know, when I first started working for the UFC, it was 97. I started working for the UFC at UFC 12. Everybody was on something.

01:31:54.000 Dude, as soon as I get out of that testing pool, man, I'm going to the doctor.

01:31:57.000 Give me the cocktail, dude.

01:31:59.000 I want to be 22 again. 0.98

01:32:00.000 I want to be fucking Hercules with half the work. 0.92

01:32:04.000 Do you do anything to try to elevate your testosterone now? 0.93

01:32:09.000 Are you doing...

01:32:10.000 Is there any, like...

01:32:11.000 You're 35. You're 35, right?

01:32:13.000 I started taking that, uh, it's like a Nigerian route.

01:32:18.000 What is it?

01:32:19.000 Tonga Ali.

01:32:20.000 That's it.

01:32:21.000 Yeah.

01:32:21.000 Dude, I'm out here shooting ropes now.

01:32:25.000 Shooting ropes. 0.99

01:32:28.000 I like, you know, I've taken, like, Makaru and Yo Mb and I was like, dude, this is bullshit. 0.98

01:32:33.000 It's not doing anything. 0.70

01:32:35.000 But that stuff, you know, Did you get your testosterone checked before and after?

01:32:40.000 I got checked before.

01:32:42.000 I haven't got the results back.

01:32:44.000 I just started this like two weeks ago.

01:32:46.000 That big a difference?

01:32:47.000 That quick, huh?

01:32:48.000 So, you know. 0.99

01:32:49.000 Let's fucking go. 0.99

01:32:51.000 Like Rottweiler. 0.99

01:32:54.000 So I'm just waiting.

01:32:56.000 And then maybe after like a month or two, I'll go back and get my testosterone checked again and see what it is.

01:33:03.000 Interesting.

01:33:03.000 And that stuff's legal.

01:33:05.000 Yeah.

01:33:06.000 I think you can take roots and tree barks and stuff like that.

01:33:09.000 How weird.

01:33:10.000 Do you know that that's how they make testosterone?

01:33:13.000 They make it off of a Mexican wild yam.

01:33:16.000 Really?

01:33:16.000 Yeah, these are yam.

01:33:18.000 What yam is this?

01:33:19.000 I don't know.

01:33:19.000 Find out.

01:33:20.000 I'm gonna go buy some.

01:33:22.000 I don't think you could eat it and get testosterone.

01:33:25.000 I don't understand how they do it.

01:33:26.000 We're about to find out. 1.00

01:33:28.000 Put that shit in the oven. 1.00

01:33:31.000 There's something... 1.00

01:33:32.000 I don't understand how they do it.

01:33:34.000 I really don't.

01:33:35.000 I've never even looked into it, but I do know that...

01:33:37.000 From, they do this carbon, I think it's carbon isotope testing.

01:33:42.000 They can find out whether or not the testosterone that's in your body has come from exogenous sources, like wild yams.

01:33:50.000 But one of the things Nowitzki was saying was that they don't, because these guys, like USADA guys, they always have to think like multiple steps ahead. 0.99

01:33:59.000 Because people are like, when Barry Bonds and, you know, Victor Conte had that clear shit. 0.98

01:34:05.000 The criminal is always a step ahead. 0.99

01:34:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:07.000 So he's thinking, what Nowitzki said is like, theoretically at least, they should be able to extract testosterone from animals.

01:34:16.000 And if they extracted testosterone from animals and injected it into people, you might not be able to detect whether or not that came from an animal or whether or not it came from the human being themselves.

01:34:27.000 So it might look like natural levels of testosterone. 0.99

01:34:30.000 So you can get testosterone from a fucking silverback. 1.00

01:34:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:35.000 Take it.

01:34:36.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:34:37.000 I think I would go with a chimp because they have the bigger nuts. 1.00

01:34:42.000 Yeah? 0.82

01:34:43.000 Yeah.

01:34:43.000 You know why?

01:34:43.000 It's interesting.

01:34:44.000 Because female chimps are promiscuous. 1.00

01:34:47.000 So when female chimps are promiscuous, the male chimps grow bigger nuts and bigger dicks. 1.00

01:34:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:52.000 That's why male humans have big dicks. 1.00

01:34:56.000 Because female humans are like, if you look at gorillas, gorillas have tiny dicks. 1.00

01:35:01.000 Like the smallest in the... 0.99

01:35:03.000 Yeah.

01:35:03.000 Per size, you know.

01:35:04.000 The female gorillas are chilled. 1.00

01:35:06.000 They're not interested in fucking around. 1.00

01:35:08.000 But female chimps, they fuck around like crazy. 1.00

01:35:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:11.000 And so male chimps have giant nuts. 1.00

01:35:14.000 I've seen a little, you know, animal planet or whatever, fucking... 1.00

01:35:18.000 You know, there's like an alpha monkey or whatever, and he's the only one who's supposed to fuck. 1.00

01:35:23.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:35:23.000 But as soon as he goes off in the trees, fucking homeboy company... 1.00

01:35:27.000 Everybody ruined that. 1.00

01:35:27.000 Yeah, he'll start running a train on him. 1.00

01:35:28.000 Just like in real life.

01:35:29.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:35:30.000 Okay, steroid chemists are often referred to the 1930s as a decade of sex hormones when molecular structures of certain sex hormones were determined and first introduced to medical practice as drugs.

01:35:41.000 Russell Marker achieved the first practical synthesis of the pregnancy hormone progesterone by what now is known as the Marker degradation, produced from Starting material in a species of Mexican yam.

01:35:57.000 Marker's progesterone eventually became the preferred precursor in the industrial preparation of the anti-inflammatory drug cortisone.

01:36:05.000 Important research on sex hormones continues in Mexico, leading to the synthesis of the first useful oral contraceptive in 1951. Ah, interesting.

01:36:15.000 Ah, so I can take a pill and kill my sperm? 1.00

01:36:20.000 But this does have something to do with testosterone, doesn't it? 0.99

01:36:23.000 Yeah, there's a chemical compound in it called this.

01:36:27.000 This diosgenin?

01:36:29.000 I don't know how to say it.

01:36:32.000 Diogenin.

01:36:32.000 And I believe they synthesized that into making...

01:36:35.000 Wild. 1.00

01:36:35.000 It's all from this one fucking yam. 1.00

01:36:37.000 Isn't that crazy? 1.00

01:36:38.000 Like, how'd they even find that?

01:36:40.000 If you think about all the plants that they don't know about that are in the Amazon, like, pretty wild.

01:36:45.000 So wild yam is also often promoted as a natural alternative to estrogen therapy.

01:36:51.000 So we see it used for estrogen replacement therapy, vaginal dryness, hey, in older women, PMS, menstrual cramps, weak bones, osteoporosis, increasing energy and sexual drive in men and women. 0.99

01:37:06.000 Fucking yams, baby. 1.00

01:37:08.000 Shit. 1.00

01:37:09.000 Wild yams. 1.00

01:37:09.000 Sweet potatoes for breakfast. 1.00

01:37:11.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:37:12.000 It's crazy.

01:37:13.000 It's crazy how people know ayahuasca.

01:37:18.000 How did they know?

01:37:19.000 How did they know?

01:37:19.000 Like, watch an animal eat the tree bark and start tripping.

01:37:23.000 What's going on?

01:37:24.000 Or watch something eat mushrooms.

01:37:27.000 There's two prevailing theories, right?

01:37:30.000 The prevailing theory, number one, that's told by the shaman is that the plants told them what to add up. 0.90

01:37:38.000 Like, when they say the plants, they're not sure if they're saying mushrooms, because, you know, psilocybin mushroom use is also, like, there's apparently not a great history of psilocybin use in the Amazon, but when Terrence McKenna went down there with his brother, They found psilocybin mushrooms everywhere, and they took so much of them that his brother was fucked for like two weeks.

01:38:01.000 And these guys are like legitimate scientists.

01:38:03.000 And his brother took so much that he basically evaporated for like two weeks.

01:38:09.000 And it took two weeks for him to come back to the point where he could...

01:38:12.000 All those chemicals to rebalance.

01:38:13.000 Well, I think he's just tripped so hard.

01:38:16.000 You know, like a crazy dose is like five grams of mushrooms.

01:38:19.000 That's a crazy dose.

01:38:20.000 How much have you took at one time?

01:38:23.000 I think I've gotten pretty close to that.

01:38:25.000 I've taken seven at once.

01:38:26.000 Ooh, what was that like?

01:38:27.000 Man, it wasn't what I expected.

01:38:30.000 Really?

01:38:30.000 I thought it was going to be like the toad.

01:38:33.000 I had never heard anything about the toad. 0.99

01:38:36.000 Everybody's like, oh, you fucking take a heroic dose. 0.99

01:38:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:38:39.000 That's what they were telling me was cause. 0.99

01:38:41.000 I was like, all right, fuck it, dude. 1.00

01:38:41.000 I'll do seven. 1.00

01:38:42.000 Did you do it outside?

01:38:43.000 Were you hanging out?

01:38:44.000 Dude, I kind of...

01:38:46.000 Nah.

01:38:47.000 I got away from the family, checked myself into a hotel, and turned off the lights, closed the curtain, and down the hatch.

01:38:56.000 That's the right way. 0.99

01:38:57.000 But dude, I went to the wrong fucking hotel. 1.00

01:38:59.000 I just hear motherfuckers Arguing and, you know, fucking, you know, arguing with their fucking girl and shit. 1.00

01:39:06.000 And I was like, dude, this fucking sucks, dude. 1.00

01:39:07.000 So I'm just like giggling and laughing, just like, you know, a normal mushroom trip. 0.99

01:39:13.000 And I was like, alright, dude. 0.99

01:39:14.000 So fucking by midnight I was back at the house fucking watching cartoons and shit. 0.99

01:39:18.000 The problem also is that like some psilocybin mushrooms are way stronger than other ones. 0.99

01:39:23.000 And you could get a, you know, you're buying them from a guy, you know?

01:39:25.000 Yeah.

01:39:26.000 Who knows if he's doing it right and, you know, cultivating them right.

01:39:30.000 I bought some from a guy who's like, yeah, these are great.

01:39:32.000 They're hydroponic.

01:39:33.000 You know, the guy plays symphony for them.

01:39:35.000 He sings to them. 0.98

01:39:36.000 I was like, I don't really give a fuck about that. 0.97

01:39:39.000 Just tell me my mushrooms, dude. 0.98

01:39:41.000 Well, the way I always describe DMT is it's mushrooms times a million plus aliens.

01:39:45.000 Yeah.

01:39:46.000 That's like, you know, I'm sure you know, but like the two different kinds of...

01:39:51.000 And dimethyltryptamine, yeah.

01:39:53.000 So that's like the aliens for me. 0.99

01:39:55.000 It's like floating around in geometric shapes and bright colors and shit. 0.99

01:39:59.000 Is that the one you did or did you do 5-methoxy? 0.98

01:40:02.000 I did the MEO. I've done that too.

01:40:04.000 The 5-MEO is pretty wild because that one you cease to exist. 0.82

01:40:08.000 The thing about NN-dimethyltryptamine is when you're taking it, you're still there.

01:40:13.000 You're still you.

01:40:14.000 It's still Eric, but it's Eric in another universe.

01:40:18.000 I've done that twice, and the second time I think it was the NN, because I was still rolling around on the ground and slobbering and stuff, but I was still present.

01:40:31.000 Did you see visuals, though?

01:40:33.000 In my body.

01:40:34.000 Yeah, so I was like, I hit it, laid back, and there was a ceiling fan, and I just watched the ceiling fan, like, woo, woo, woo, and then it stopped, and then it started doing all the... 0.99

01:40:47.000 I was like, oh fuck, here we go, dude. 0.95

01:40:50.000 But I never left my body. 0.99

01:40:52.000 Like, my soul or, you know, whatever it is.

01:40:56.000 The first time I did it, everything just went white.

01:40:59.000 I was panicking. 1.00

01:41:00.000 I was like, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck. 1.00

01:41:02.000 And now I was like, well, you're dead, buddy. 1.00

01:41:05.000 You fucked up? 1.00

01:41:06.000 Yeah, just, you know, just relax and, you know, see where you go from here. 0.99

01:41:10.000 I wonder if that's what it feels like when you actually do go.

01:41:12.000 I wonder if it's just like...

01:41:15.000 Maybe.

01:41:16.000 I'm sure like a Matt Brown or somebody would be somebody to ask.

01:41:20.000 Right.

01:41:20.000 A guy who died.

01:41:21.000 What happened when he died?

01:41:23.000 Those guys are scary.

01:41:24.000 There's something about those guys that have overdosed and died.

01:41:28.000 They come back.

01:41:29.000 Like Court McGee, Matt Brown.

01:41:32.000 Out of the theory, all those guys who were junkies and beat addiction, they have unlimited cardio.

01:41:39.000 They don't ever get tired.

01:41:41.000 Matt Brown's a little older now, so, you know, of course, but Court McGee doesn't get tired.

01:41:46.000 Jared Gordon doesn't really get tired.

01:41:48.000 You know, so...

01:41:50.000 You ever seen Court's cardio routine, though?

01:41:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:41:52.000 It's fucking insane. 0.99

01:41:53.000 He does everything with, like, a 45-pound vest. 0.99

01:41:56.000 He runs miles with a 45-pound vest on. 0.99

01:41:58.000 Like, he does a lot of wild cardio shit. 0.99

01:42:00.000 I met him when I was training at Factory X one time, and he started telling me all these stories about him being, like, a dick, and I was like, you? 1.00

01:42:09.000 I would think that you were like fucking Amish or, you know. 1.00

01:42:12.000 Right. 1.00

01:42:13.000 You know, fucking no technology, fucking out in the woods type, you know. 1.00

01:42:17.000 Like, fuck, dude. 1.00

01:42:18.000 Well, he went the other way, you know. 1.00

01:42:20.000 Like, he went from being a guy whose drug addict ruined his life to being, like, super disciplined.

01:42:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:42:26.000 You know?

01:42:28.000 He's a big advocate, too.

01:42:30.000 Mm-hmm.

01:42:31.000 Yeah.

01:42:32.000 That's cool.

01:42:33.000 Yeah, it's interesting guys that develop a base of cardio and then push it and keep pushing it and keep pushing it. 0.98

01:42:41.000 You can take your cardio to some crazy fucking places.

01:42:45.000 And some dudes, their cardio is one of their primary weapons. 0.99

01:42:49.000 They just can put a pace on people.

01:42:51.000 Max Holloway is a good example of that.

01:42:52.000 He puts a pace on people, but so is Volkanovski.

01:42:56.000 So that fight this weekend, woo! 0.74

01:42:58.000 Yeah, I know. 0.93

01:42:59.000 Those first two fights were so fucking close. 0.95

01:43:03.000 They were so close. 0.95

01:43:05.000 Hey, I'm going.

01:43:06.000 I can't wait.

01:43:07.000 Whenever I leave out of here, I'm going to go.

01:43:09.000 Yeah, I'm very excited.

01:43:10.000 Out to Vegas.

01:43:10.000 Very, very excited for that.

01:43:12.000 I don't know what the fuck's going to happen in that fight. 0.96

01:43:14.000 So there's those two fights. 0.97

01:43:16.000 There's Cannoneer versus Izzy.

01:43:18.000 There's Max Holloway versus Volkanovski.

01:43:21.000 Let me see the whole card.

01:43:22.000 Let me see the whole card.

01:43:23.000 And then there's Sean Strickland versus Pereira.

01:43:26.000 First of all, how crazy is Sean Strickland to take that fight?

01:43:30.000 Because Pereira's not even ranked.

01:43:32.000 And Sean Strickland's number four.

01:43:34.000 That's a big risk.

01:43:36.000 That's a big fight right there.

01:43:37.000 Oh, that's right.

01:43:38.000 Pedro Munoz versus Sean O'Malley.

01:43:42.000 So Young Punisher versus Sugar Sean.

01:43:45.000 That's an interesting fight, too.

01:43:47.000 That's a very interesting fight.

01:43:48.000 So is that the main card on pay-per-view?

01:43:51.000 Yeah, and they just announced that the Misha Tate fight has been moved to the next...

01:43:54.000 What happened?

01:43:56.000 I just looked.

01:43:57.000 I didn't see any announcement on what happened, but they just moved it to the next pay-per-view or the Long Island card at the end of the month.

01:44:03.000 I think Sean O'Malley is going to be hard to beat.

01:44:06.000 Yeah.

01:44:07.000 Oh, Brad Rydell versus Jalen Turner.

01:44:09.000 That's an interesting fight, too, because Jalen at lightweight is so big.

01:44:15.000 He's so long.

01:44:17.000 And Robbie Lawler versus Brian Barbarina.

01:44:20.000 That's a great fight.

01:44:21.000 Ian Gary versus Gabriel Green. 1.00

01:44:23.000 Ian Gary's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:44:25.000 That's an interesting guy. 0.99

01:44:27.000 Oh, and so they're doing Jim Miller versus Donald Cerrone because of the Joe Lozon fight fell out again.

01:44:34.000 Interesting.

01:44:36.000 Uriah Hall and Andre Muniz. 1.00

01:44:38.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:44:40.000 Interesting that they keep having Mooney's like almost undercover, you know? 0.99

01:44:45.000 They don't have him in high-profile bouts.

01:44:47.000 I think that's like...

01:44:48.000 I mean, he's fighting Uriah Hall.

01:44:50.000 That's pretty...

01:44:50.000 Yeah, but it's the early prelims.

01:44:53.000 That's the Fight Pass prelims.

01:44:54.000 Yeah, the other...

01:44:55.000 I think these are on ABC. Yeah, these are on...

01:44:57.000 Oh, interesting.

01:44:59.000 And so...

01:45:00.000 Oh, that's right.

01:45:01.000 So they're putting that on ABC. They're going to have a whole card on ABC soon.

01:45:06.000 And then early, so let me see the early prelims again.

01:45:08.000 Oh, so that's the early?

01:45:09.000 Yeah.

01:45:10.000 So Jessica I and Macy Barber, that's a good fight. 1.00

01:45:13.000 Brad Tavares, Duplacis, that's a good fight.

01:45:17.000 Okay, interesting.

01:45:19.000 Wait a minute.

01:45:21.000 Jessica Rose Clark, that, click on that?

01:45:30.000 Isn't that, um... 0.99

01:45:35.000 Who the fuck did she just fight? 1.00

01:45:37.000 Let me see who she fought. 1.00

01:45:46.000 Yeah.

01:45:46.000 So it's a good card, like, top to bottom.

01:45:49.000 That's a good card top to bottom.

01:45:51.000 That's a phenomenal card.

01:45:53.000 Yeah.

01:45:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:56.000 Damn. 1.00

01:45:58.000 Yeah, there's no duds on that card. 1.00

01:45:59.000 That whole card is pretty fucking banging. 0.95

01:46:01.000 That Brad Rydell, Jalen Turner, boy, I didn't even know that fight was happening. 0.98

01:46:06.000 That is a fucking fantastic fight. 0.96

01:46:08.000 Because Jalen is about as 6'3", 155. What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:46:15.000 The way he's built, too. 1.00

01:46:17.000 Yeah, and knockout power, too.

01:46:19.000 Like, real long.

01:46:20.000 Super good boxing, too.

01:46:21.000 Yeah, real clean.

01:46:22.000 And, um...

01:46:26.000 Michael Bisping, when he was preparing for Luke Rockhold, was sparring with him because he was literally the size of Luke Rockhold, which is crazy.

01:46:33.000 Jesus.

01:46:34.000 Yeah.

01:46:35.000 At 155. Do you think there should be more weight classes?

01:46:39.000 Yeah.

01:46:40.000 Yeah.

01:46:41.000 But this is the thing.

01:46:42.000 If you have an 85 and a 95, it's just going to be the 205 where it's cutting to 95. Right, but maybe the people that can barely get to 205 won't do that.

01:46:56.000 Because there's a lot...

01:46:56.000 John Jones is not fighting at 95. No.

01:46:59.000 He's not losing another 10 pounds.

01:47:01.000 He's so big for 205. The really big guys at 205, they're not going to do that.

01:47:07.000 But I think, like, boxing, for example, has so many weight classes because it's the wrestlers that kind of, like, inspire the weight cutting thing.

01:47:16.000 Like, these drastic weight cuts.

01:47:18.000 Yeah.

01:47:18.000 So, like, I think that's why there's fewer weight classes in MMA. Because boxers, motherfuckers not cutting 30, 40 pounds.

01:47:27.000 No one's doing that. 0.99

01:47:29.000 Like, a weight class every 7 pounds or 5 pounds or whatever it is.

01:47:33.000 That's one of the crazy things about Canelo.

01:47:36.000 Canelo's willing to go all the way up to light heavyweight.

01:47:38.000 When he fought Floyd, I think they fought at 152. Here he is fighting Bival at 75, which is crazy.

01:47:49.000 For me, I always feel more comfortable fighting at 85 because I know I put in more work and preparation.

01:47:57.000 Even when you have to watch what you're eating, when you eat it, It takes a lot of discipline.

01:48:03.000 At 2.05, if I leave the gym, if I go grab a burger, I can go grab a burger.

01:48:08.000 So I can't do that when I fight at 85. So when I fight at 85, I know that I've crossed all the I's or crossed all the T's and dotted all the I's and did everything.

01:48:17.000 If I fight at 2.05, I'm like, well, let's see how it goes, guys.

01:48:21.000 Dominic Cruz says the same thing.

01:48:22.000 He says there's something about the discipline required to make bantamweight that makes him a better fighter.

01:48:27.000 It's true.

01:48:28.000 Well, for me, anyway.

01:48:29.000 So you feel that even, so it's not just that at 85, you're really big for the weight class, but it's also just the fact that you mentally, you know that you've put in that work to get down.

01:48:39.000 Yeah, I know my cardio is going to be on point.

01:48:41.000 I know, like, I've put in, I've done everything that I can, including, like, the diet.

01:48:47.000 And, you know, it's just something about knowing that you've done everything, everything, everything, everything.

01:48:53.000 That you didn't leave anything out.

01:48:55.000 I can still do and train and do all the same things, but I just don't feel as, like, maybe it's just a mental thing.

01:49:02.000 I don't feel as, like, prepared fighting at 205 because I know I've had those cheeseburgers.

01:49:07.000 I know I've had that, you know, ribeye or whatever.

01:49:10.000 Yeah.

01:49:11.000 If you, like, if there was no weight cutting as far as dehydration, what do you think is, like, the lowest comfortable weight that you could get down to?

01:49:21.000 Will you be shredded but be able to fight?

01:49:24.000 Like 200? 0.97

01:49:25.000 I'm a fat kid.

01:49:27.000 So if I just ate well, I wouldn't be 230. But I want to enjoy my life.

01:49:34.000 But if you're lean and healthy, it would be 200. Yeah, I would probably have to work a little bit to get to 200, but it wouldn't be that hard.

01:49:43.000 Do you think it's possible to ever get to a point where there is no weight cutting?

01:49:46.000 Do you think that that would ever happen?

01:49:49.000 I don't know.

01:49:49.000 One does it, right?

01:49:50.000 Nobody cuts white?

01:49:52.000 They do something.

01:49:53.000 I've heard there's ways around what one does, too.

01:49:56.000 I heard there's a little bit of shenanigans going on.

01:49:58.000 There's always going to be a way.

01:50:00.000 Criminals are always a step ahead.

01:50:01.000 Right.

01:50:02.000 Have you ever seen Catch Me If You Can?

01:50:05.000 The Leonardo DiCaprio?

01:50:07.000 Oh, yeah.

01:50:07.000 A long time ago, yeah.

01:50:09.000 So all the fraudulent checks and stuff, they learn from him.

01:50:14.000 Like, you know, he eventually gets caught.

01:50:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:50:17.000 And he started working for the FBI to, like, look, y'all are fucking up. 1.00

01:50:21.000 This is how simple this shit is. 1.00

01:50:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:50:24.000 Well, that's what Victor Conte did.

01:50:26.000 Victor Conte, after he got busted and went away, he came back and he was like, let me show you how I did it.

01:50:31.000 And then he became the guy that calling out everybody else for having bad drug testing, which is kind of ironic.

01:50:37.000 Yeah.

01:50:38.000 You know?

01:50:39.000 You're the power of the tea kettle, buddy.

01:50:40.000 I'm fascinated by one. 0.98

01:50:42.000 One FC is fascinating to me because they do Muay Thai fights, they have grappling matches, and when it comes to just straight MMA, they allow a lot of shit, like knees on the ground, knees to the head on the ground. 0.97

01:50:54.000 I think that should be allowed. 0.94

01:50:55.000 If I'm in a dominant position, why do I lose offense?

01:50:59.000 Why do I lose weapons?

01:51:00.000 Because you can't get off the ground, or you're in a turtle position, or you get up carelessly.

01:51:06.000 Why am I penalized for that?

01:51:08.000 It changes the way people fight, right?

01:51:10.000 Because if you knew...

01:51:12.000 If you're in a turtle and you know that a guy can just drop knees in your head, you're not going to lay there.

01:51:16.000 You're going to move.

01:51:18.000 You're going to defend yourself.

01:51:19.000 You're going to get out of there. 1.00

01:51:20.000 I'm going to get knocked the fuck out. 1.00

01:51:21.000 I've seen some horrific knock. 0.99

01:51:23.000 Go to 1FC's Instagram page.

01:51:27.000 They have the best.

01:51:29.000 Oh, my God, dude. 0.94

01:51:30.000 I'll fucking scroll through that thing forever. 0.99

01:51:31.000 Some of their KOs are ruthless, man. 0.98

01:51:34.000 And there's this one dude who was landing on his knees on the ground to the head in side control.

01:51:39.000 And you realize that from side control, the whole, the game, scroll down a little bit, I'll show you where it is.

01:51:44.000 It shows, the whole game is completely different.

01:51:46.000 You see a guy on the ground inside control. 0.99

01:51:50.000 Yeah, you better get your ass up. 0.96

01:51:52.000 Let's see if we can find it there. 0.97

01:51:54.000 Yeah, I've won a fight and actually got a bonus off a soccer kicking somebody and got disqualified for kneeing somebody on the side of the head.

01:52:06.000 This is interesting.

01:52:07.000 I don't see it.

01:52:08.000 And they changed the rules, too.

01:52:10.000 It used to be one hand.

01:52:12.000 If one hand was down, they were still up.

01:52:14.000 And then they changed it.

01:52:16.000 If anything, other than their feet is on the ground, they're down.

01:52:18.000 Where were you allowed to soccer kick somebody?

01:52:22.000 I fought Tim Williams in Lincoln, Nebraska.

01:52:25.000 It was a UFC fight.

01:52:27.000 Really?

01:52:28.000 You soccer kicked him to the body or to the head? 0.62

01:52:31.000 To the head.

01:52:32.000 He like...

01:52:32.000 Oh, that's it right there.

01:52:33.000 See that dude?

01:52:34.000 Yeah, that right there.

01:52:35.000 Watch this.

01:52:36.000 This is crazy.

01:52:37.000 Boom! 0.99

01:52:38.000 Boom! 0.99

01:52:38.000 You gotta play that with sound. 0.99

01:52:40.000 Yeah, give me some sound.

01:52:42.000 Ooh! 0.96

01:52:47.000 That's a perfect example because in that position the UFC That's like not as dangerous a position you can kind of hold on but if a guy can do that I mean that is what that's martial arts.

01:52:58.000 That's if you can drop an elbow on someone's head Why can't you do that?

01:53:01.000 I feel like you should be able to do that especially in this position particularly because you're not even trapped against the cage That guy's there in that spot. 0.99

01:53:11.000 You gotta fucking move. 0.98

01:53:12.000 You can't lay there like that. 1.00

01:53:14.000 That's nasty.

01:53:15.000 When I fought Tim Williams, he threw a head kick and I blocked it and he fell.

01:53:22.000 There's like 20 seconds left in the fight so he was trying to get up quick.

01:53:25.000 The technical get up.

01:53:27.000 I just stepped in and...

01:53:29.000 Put him down.

01:53:30.000 Oh, I remember that fight.

01:53:31.000 I have his teeth marks still in my shin. 1.00

01:53:35.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:53:35.000 And dude, he had like a boil and bite mouthpiece. 0.99

01:53:38.000 Like not even like one that...

01:53:39.000 Oh, really?

01:53:39.000 I was like, dude, I don't know if you want to use that ever again.

01:53:43.000 Yeah, fuck that. 1.00

01:53:44.000 You need to get a fitted one. 1.00

01:53:46.000 What kind of cup do you use?

01:53:47.000 Do you use like a...

01:53:48.000 Diamond cup. 1.00

01:53:48.000 Yeah, those are the diamond MMA cups of the shit. 1.00

01:53:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:51.000 Compression shorts. 1.00

01:53:52.000 And dude, I see like every single nut shot.

01:53:55.000 Oh, there it is right there.

01:53:55.000 Boom.

01:53:56.000 Perfect timing.

01:53:57.000 Every single nut shot, everybody drops on the ground.

01:54:00.000 I was like, dude. 0.99

01:54:01.000 Yeah, if you have one of those diamond cups, you don't feel shit. 0.98

01:54:03.000 Look at that. 0.98

01:54:04.000 Perfect timing. 0.82

01:54:06.000 I think I get hit in the nuts almost every fight.

01:54:07.000 As he's getting up, boom!

01:54:09.000 I mean, you couldn't have timed that better.

01:54:11.000 Right when the hand lifts up is when you land the shot.

01:54:13.000 But under those rules, even if his hand is down, he was still considered up at the time.

01:54:20.000 Right.

01:54:20.000 One down.

01:54:21.000 Two down as a down fighter.

01:54:24.000 It's like weird.

01:54:25.000 But that's why I like what 1FC is doing better.

01:54:29.000 I was talking to Tim Kennedy about this the other day.

01:54:31.000 He won fights where you're allowed to knee on the ground.

01:54:35.000 He's a strong guy.

01:54:36.000 You get a guy in a position where you get a front headlock and you can just drop elbows on him.

01:54:40.000 Or drop knees on him rather. 0.85

01:54:42.000 In the UFC you can't.

01:54:44.000 It's kind of weird because it's a good, effective weapon.

01:54:47.000 And it's a good position for the guy on top, so why do I get penalized?

01:54:50.000 Right.

01:54:51.000 The soccer kick on the ground is just, that's so ruthless.

01:54:54.000 I think it just doesn't look appealing for on TV. Like, you know, you want soccer moms and kids to watch, so maybe a dude getting drilled in his shit is... 1.00

01:55:04.000 At this point, I think we have enough people watching. 0.99

01:55:07.000 I don't think we have to worry.

01:55:08.000 I don't think we need to try to lure in them soccer moms by eliminating soccer kicks. 1.00

01:55:13.000 Yeah, that diamond cup is awesome.

01:55:14.000 I think I have been kicked in the nuts in every single fight, and it doesn't bother me.

01:55:20.000 One time, Roundtree did it at the end of the fight, and I was just so ready for the fight.

01:55:24.000 And it hurt, too. 0.98

01:55:25.000 It was probably the only time that it hurt, but I was so ready for that fucking fight to be over with. 0.97

01:55:29.000 I was like, man, I'm just gonna ride it out, dude. 0.98

01:55:32.000 Ride it out. 0.99

01:55:33.000 That dude kicks so fucking hard. 1.00

01:55:35.000 Yeah, imagine getting kicked in the dick. 1.00

01:55:39.000 And you caught him right when he came out of Thailand, too. 1.00

01:55:42.000 He had that Thai style, like real light on that front leg.

01:55:45.000 I was like, hey man, what are you doing, man?

01:55:47.000 That was so impressive. 0.99

01:55:49.000 Damn. 0.99

01:55:50.000 That dude, he's one of my favorite guys to watch. 0.99

01:55:52.000 Because when he gets rolling and his technique is on, man, he's terrifying.

01:55:56.000 I think it's up here for him.

01:55:58.000 Like some fights he comes out, unfortunately, like he did against me.

01:56:02.000 It's a call of confidence in the world against that... 0.98

01:56:06.000 Midescus, or the guy who fucking stomped his knee out. 0.99

01:56:09.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:56:09.000 But then other fights, you know, I think he kind of gets into himself a little bit and, you know. 0.95

01:56:14.000 Well, it's gone on some times where he's thinking about retiring, you know.

01:56:18.000 You know as well as anybody that when you're one foot in, one foot out, it's not really the best.

01:56:24.000 Yeah.

01:56:24.000 You see guys that are like that and, like, you see the decline in their performances.

01:56:29.000 They just don't see the same anymore.

01:56:31.000 You know, the train is hard, the diorite. 0.95

01:56:33.000 Did you see the Anthony Pettis fight?

01:56:35.000 The Stevie Ray fight?

01:56:36.000 Yeah.

01:56:37.000 We actually went.

01:56:38.000 It was in Atlanta.

01:56:39.000 Oh, was it?

01:56:39.000 Yeah.

01:56:40.000 That fight was interesting.

01:56:41.000 I never...

01:56:42.000 He sent it to me.

01:56:44.000 Stevie Ray sent it to me, and I watched it, and I was like...

01:56:46.000 What are you doing here?

01:56:48.000 That's like a body lock.

01:56:49.000 And then he's got the arm captured and he's using the forearm on the neck.

01:56:58.000 I think he hurt his ribs.

01:57:00.000 Well, it's a neck crank, man.

01:57:02.000 It's a neck crank.

01:57:03.000 Watch how he does it.

01:57:04.000 See, look.

01:57:04.000 Right arm goes to the side of the neck.

01:57:06.000 Now watch.

01:57:06.000 When he gets the grip, watch, he gets the grip here.

01:57:09.000 And he's using the leverage of his legs and then cranking against the neck.

01:57:15.000 Watch this.

01:57:17.000 Right here, right here.

01:57:19.000 It's a neck crank, man.

01:57:21.000 Oh, it does look like he hurt his ribs, too.

01:57:22.000 He's holding on to his ribs.

01:57:24.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.96

01:57:25.000 I think he fucked everything up, though. 0.95

01:57:27.000 I think he fucked everything up. 0.89

01:57:28.000 But he shows the setup. 0.73

01:57:29.000 He sent me the setup, too.

01:57:31.000 Like, this is something that he does.

01:57:33.000 Oh, so this wasn't, like, on the fly?

01:57:35.000 No, no, no, no.

01:57:35.000 Let me squeeze and see what happens.

01:57:37.000 Oh, he's got the body lock?

01:57:38.000 But watch when he gets the right forearm on the side of the neck, and then he clamps his arms together, and it's basically, like, it's a spinal lock.

01:57:49.000 Yeah.

01:57:49.000 Because it's crazy pressure.

01:57:51.000 Look at that.

01:57:51.000 Look at that on the neck, man.

01:57:53.000 It's probably also on the left side of his ribs because that's where the body lock is clamped down to.

01:57:58.000 But he also has a twister finish in MMA. So he's very familiar with those leverage positions where you're really cranking on the neck.

01:58:08.000 Bending your shit where it don't bend. 0.99

01:58:10.000 Twisters. 1.00

01:58:10.000 You ever been caught in one of those? 1.00

01:58:11.000 Hell yeah.

01:58:12.000 It's horrible. 0.84

01:58:12.000 I tap early, dawg. 0.84

01:58:13.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:58:14.000 It's a terrible position to be in. 1.00

01:58:16.000 It'll fuck your neck up. 1.00

01:58:17.000 Dude, I, you know, fucked a lot of discs up in my neck. 1.00

01:58:21.000 When I first started, no one told me, don't be an asshole and not tap. 1.00

01:58:25.000 Oh, no. 1.00

01:58:26.000 So I'd be, like, getting choked out and, you know, hear... 1.00

01:58:28.000 Shit, my neck hurts. 0.99

01:58:31.000 End up, man, for the longest time I thought my trap or my neck was just tight on that side and I couldn't turn it. 0.99

01:58:37.000 But then I went to that cellular performance place in Mexico and got stem cells in my thing.

01:58:45.000 And dude, it made, you know...

01:58:47.000 Did you go to the place in Tijuana?

01:58:48.000 Yeah.

01:58:49.000 Ed Clay's place?

01:58:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:58:50.000 Shout out to Ed Clay.

01:58:51.000 Yeah.

01:58:53.000 I love that dude.

01:58:54.000 Yeah, I love that he's doing that, but it's kind of crazy that you have to go to Tijuana because you can't do it in America.

01:58:59.000 I think it's the way they, not incubate, but cultivate the stem cells.

01:59:05.000 They don't let you do it here, but they let you do it there.

01:59:07.000 So it had a big effect on you?

01:59:09.000 Man, night and day.

01:59:10.000 Really?

01:59:10.000 Yeah, I couldn't wrestle because you have to do all that head position.

01:59:14.000 You can use your head when you wrestle.

01:59:15.000 I just couldn't turn my neck all the way.

01:59:18.000 So did they go actually into your discs?

01:59:20.000 Yep.

01:59:21.000 So they like, I was like, are you guys going to put me to sleep?

01:59:25.000 They're like, no, because there's a nerve in there, and if we hit it, you have to let us know. 0.98

01:59:29.000 I was like, dude, what the fuck am I going to do? 0.99

01:59:30.000 Don't be fucking paralyzed. 1.00

01:59:31.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

01:59:34.000 They don't put you to sleep.

01:59:37.000 They just kind of dull it.

01:59:38.000 You can definitely feel the needle go in.

01:59:42.000 Some Novocaine?

01:59:44.000 I don't know.

01:59:46.000 Something like that?

01:59:46.000 It's not a topical.

01:59:47.000 I got an IV. It was like they were pumping up a bike tire.

01:59:53.000 It felt my neck.

01:59:55.000 I think I might have grown a little bit.

01:59:57.000 Well, that's what is exciting about stem cells with discs, is that they can regrow that disc tissue, which is the only time I've ever heard of anyone being able to do that.

02:00:07.000 Because generally speaking, when you get degenerative discs, which is, I have that.

02:00:11.000 I have a bunch of discs that are smaller.

02:00:14.000 Yeah, like re-inflated it.

02:00:32.000 Yeah. 0.93

02:00:33.000 And I was like, and they were like, I mean, because I was staying at a hotel, and they're like, you can go home, but I wouldn't recommend that you do because that shit's going to hurt when that, you know, whatever the medication wears off. 0.97

02:00:49.000 And I was like, dude, this shit doesn't hurt, you know, maybe I just... 0.98

02:00:52.000 Alright, I'll take your word, dude. 0.99

02:00:54.000 I was sitting in my room.

02:00:56.000 I was like, call us when it starts to hurt.

02:00:57.000 Like, they knew what was up.

02:00:59.000 And so I was like, alright.

02:01:00.000 And so, dude, that just started to wear off.

02:01:02.000 And dude, I was like on my hands and knees. 0.99

02:01:04.000 Like, there was just no position that I could like put my neck where the shit didn't hurt. 0.99

02:01:08.000 And I was like, man, y'all come on with it, man. 0.99

02:01:10.000 Give me something to put me down.

02:01:13.000 And the next day, though, it was like zero pain, you know, nothing.

02:01:17.000 So how long did it take before you could start training again?

02:01:19.000 They told me six weeks because when you get the stem cells, if you keep doing stuff that inflames you, the stem cells are going to attack that instead of the current issue.

02:01:32.000 So they just chill for six weeks, let the stem cells do their thing, and then you go back to training progressively.

02:01:40.000 Is it hard for you to do that though, to just chill?

02:01:43.000 It is.

02:01:43.000 I haven't stopped moving since I sat here.

02:01:45.000 Yeah, you're not a chill dude.

02:01:47.000 I am chill, I just can't sit still.

02:01:50.000 And so six weeks later you started to go and you could immediately feel that it was...

02:01:54.000 Yeah.

02:01:55.000 That same thing was happening.

02:01:57.000 My fingers were going numb.

02:01:58.000 I had to always pop and crack my neck, which is probably the last thing that you should do in that situation.

02:02:05.000 But, man, zero neck pain.

02:02:07.000 I can turn my neck all the way.

02:02:09.000 My fingers don't tingle.

02:02:10.000 That's amazing.

02:02:11.000 Yeah.

02:02:12.000 It's exciting. 0.95

02:02:12.000 I just wish we could fucking do it right here. 0.95

02:02:15.000 Like, I don't know what the holdup is. 0.97

02:02:19.000 You know, I don't know.

02:02:20.000 I think that the medical community is not maybe looking to get you better, but keep you coming back kind of thing.

02:02:30.000 I don't know.

02:02:30.000 That's what it is.

02:02:31.000 Maybe the issue is how long it takes to get FDA approval. 0.99

02:02:36.000 I mean, really, all it would take is someone of high profile, like some president or something like that, that went and got it done and was singing the virtues of it and said, hey, let's fucking fast track this shit. 0.96

02:02:47.000 Kobe Bryant tore his Achilles, got that, came back. 0.99

02:02:52.000 So the extent of how much it works on other stuff, I don't know, but clearly the shit works. 1.00

02:03:00.000 Clearly the shit works. 1.00

02:03:01.000 Yeah, it works. 0.99

02:03:02.000 I've done a lot of things with stem cells.

02:03:04.000 I had a full-length rotator cuff tear that disappeared.

02:03:08.000 Six months later, I got an MRI, no rotator cuff care.

02:03:10.000 He was like, how's your shoulder feel? 0.92

02:03:12.000 I'm like, feels pretty fucking good. 0.58

02:03:13.000 He goes, okay, we're going to do another MRI. And the doctor came into the room. 0.83

02:03:17.000 He's like, I've never seen anything like this in my fucking life. 0.99

02:03:20.000 Is this the right arm? 0.99

02:03:21.000 He goes, you don't have a tear anymore.

02:03:22.000 He goes, it's gone.

02:03:24.000 And I go, really?

02:03:25.000 He goes, yeah.

02:03:25.000 He goes, I would have told you just a few years ago that you needed surgery.

02:03:30.000 Like, you're going to fuck your shoulder up. 0.98

02:03:31.000 You're going to develop arthritis. 0.99

02:03:33.000 He goes, now you don't even have a tear.

02:03:34.000 It's gone.

02:03:35.000 Like, I have zero problems with this shoulder now.

02:03:37.000 But at one point in time, it was like it was always, it would hurt all the time.

02:03:41.000 It was always something wrong with it. 0.99

02:03:43.000 Always aching and shit. 0.99

02:03:43.000 Yeah, now nothing. 0.99

02:03:44.000 We can do anything with it.

02:03:46.000 I don't know if they're like, they had to cut my meniscus out, part of it anyways.

02:03:51.000 And, uh... 0.92

02:03:53.000 So I got it, the stem cells in there, really just to reduce the inflammation and speed the shit up. 0.96

02:03:59.000 I don't think that it'll regrow my meniscus or whatever, but I think as far as discs and stuff like that, it just fucking works wonders. 0.73

02:04:08.000 One thing they are doing with meniscus is they're doing meniscus transplants. 0.90

02:04:12.000 So they're taking like a cadaver's meniscus and they're replacing yours with a cadaver's.

02:04:17.000 And apparently as long as you get that, like at your age you can still do that, but I think when you get older, like for older folks, I don't think it works.

02:04:25.000 I think there's a certain amount of blood flow that has to exist in that area.

02:04:29.000 That's another thing they were saying down there is, like, down here when we get the stem cells, we can, like, stress them out.

02:04:34.000 Like, if we're going to put them in a low oxygen environment in your body or, like, less blood flow or whatever, we can, like, stress it out.

02:04:42.000 And the ones that aren't going to live already die, and we can replace them. 0.97

02:04:46.000 So you're getting, like, the exact number as close to as you can with the injections.

02:04:52.000 Because sometimes, oh, this is 100 million, but, you know.

02:04:55.000 Right, right, right.

02:04:56.000 About 50 million of them died already.

02:04:57.000 Right.

02:04:58.000 You know?

02:04:58.000 Yeah.

02:04:59.000 Well, they're doing stuff in, I know they're doing stuff like that in Columbia.

02:05:04.000 You know, there's that bioaccelerator place in Columbia.

02:05:07.000 And then there's in Panama, Dr. Neil Reardon.

02:05:10.000 I had him on my show before.

02:05:12.000 And he's written these papers on it.

02:05:15.000 And he's one of the leading experts.

02:05:16.000 And he's actually in Dallas.

02:05:18.000 But he runs this clinic in Panama.

02:05:20.000 Because you can't do it here.

02:05:22.000 Like everything that he wants to do here.

02:05:24.000 He can do some stuff here.

02:05:25.000 But he can't do anything here like he wants to do.

02:05:28.000 Why do you think?

02:05:30.000 I don't think it's like, I don't know.

02:05:33.000 I don't think the FDA, I mean, they approved the vaccine in like, you know, six months, so why can't I get stem cells?

02:05:41.000 Well, yeah, like I said, it's almost like someone very important, like a president-type dude, needs to fast-track it.

02:05:48.000 Clearly, it's been going on for a long time.

02:05:51.000 People have been using stem cells now to heal injuries for decades.

02:05:55.000 It's not a new thing.

02:05:56.000 And the efficacy's not challenged. 1.00

02:05:59.000 That shit works. 1.00

02:06:00.000 I've done it. 1.00

02:06:01.000 I know it works.

02:06:01.000 Yeah, me too.

02:06:02.000 You know it works, too.

02:06:03.000 Like nothing else.

02:06:05.000 That's what's crazy.

02:06:06.000 And I think we're probably just at the tip of the iceberg, I think, like 30 years from now.

02:06:10.000 That's going to be old school.

02:06:12.000 They're going to develop something really wild.

02:06:15.000 You can just have a whole new one.

02:06:17.000 Well, I think what they're going to be able to do is regenerate all kinds of tissue and then reverse aging.

02:06:22.000 Reversing aging is just around the corner, which is going to be wild. 0.97

02:06:26.000 You've got to die, dude. 1.00

02:06:27.000 Hot old ladies are all of a sudden going to want some dick. 1.00

02:06:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:30.000 Dude, you got to have a lifespan, dude.

02:06:33.000 Well, you're still going to have a lifespan.

02:06:34.000 You know, you're still vulnerable.

02:06:35.000 Still vulnerable to sickness and still vulnerable to injury.

02:06:39.000 But imagine if you could live a full, like, healthy, active life until you die. 0.97

02:06:47.000 Instead of being, you know, you see 90-year-old people that are just all fucked up and, like, what kind of life is that? 0.99

02:06:52.000 I told my people, like, the first time I shit myself uncontrollably, just, you know, Take me out. 0.99

02:06:59.000 I'll be okay with it. 0.98

02:07:00.000 I promise you all will. 1.00

02:07:01.000 Just fuck in. 1.00

02:07:02.000 Whatever. 1.00

02:07:02.000 I think for a lot of people, they don't ever want to let go. 1.00

02:07:05.000 They want to keep going as long as possible.

02:07:09.000 And then there's also the hope that they're going to be able to fix things.

02:07:12.000 Like this reversing aging thing.

02:07:14.000 They're able to do that now in certain animals.

02:07:17.000 They could do it in mice.

02:07:18.000 They could prolong their lifespan by 50%, 100%.

02:07:22.000 They should just do DMT so they died once already.

02:07:25.000 It's like, oh, you know, not that bad.

02:07:27.000 You just gotta accept it.

02:07:28.000 Yeah, but what if that's not what happens when you die?

02:07:31.000 You know, DMT might just be some very unusual burst of these chemicals that you can get and introduce into your body, but that's not really what happens when you die.

02:07:41.000 When you die, it's just...

02:07:42.000 Lights go off.

02:07:44.000 Lights go off.

02:07:44.000 That could be possible, too.

02:07:46.000 Yeah.

02:07:47.000 I don't know.

02:07:49.000 We all find out one day.

02:07:50.000 Do you have any regrets that you didn't start fighting like when you were young? 0.98

02:07:55.000 It's funny because I started playing football before all that concussion shit came out. 0.98

02:08:00.000 But all you heard about was boxers with head injuries or head trauma, CTE and shit, before it was called CTE. So I always favored individual sports over team sports. 0.99

02:08:12.000 I fucking hated team sports. 0.98

02:08:14.000 I only started playing football because my older brother played football, and then I realized that girls like football players. 1.00

02:08:19.000 And then I realized, oh, I'm kind of good at football, so fuck. 0.99

02:08:23.000 But I asked my mom, I was like, can I box? 1.00

02:08:26.000 And she was like, no, because you're going to fucking get brain damage and you're going to ruin your face. 1.00

02:08:31.000 And I paid money for your braces and your teeth and they're going to fuck your face up. 1.00

02:08:36.000 And I was like, all right. 1.00

02:08:38.000 But then meanwhile, you know, she let me go run full speed.

02:08:42.000 Into another human being who's also running full speed, you know, with like a piece of plastic on my head.

02:08:48.000 When I first started playing when I was like seven years old, and it was like one size fits all. 0.96

02:08:54.000 My shoulder pads fucking came out to here, and my helmet was fucking wobbling around.

02:09:01.000 Definitely it wasn't like the 1950s, but it ain't like it is now. 0.99

02:09:06.000 The only time I've ever been knocked unconscious is playing football, which is a pretty scary fucking experience because you lose time. 0.88

02:09:15.000 The first time I did it, we were doing a drill. 0.96

02:09:17.000 I was like 12 years old.

02:09:19.000 Two guys 10 yards apart.

02:09:21.000 There's a cone off to the side in the middle, and you literally run full speed and smash each other.

02:09:27.000 That's the drill?

02:09:28.000 That's the drill.

02:09:29.000 It's like an angle-tackling drill.

02:09:31.000 One guy's on offense, the running back, everybody else is on defense.

02:09:35.000 And so they say, go, you got to sprint, five yards, boom, at an angle, and, you know, car collision. 0.76

02:09:42.000 But dude, I hit this kid, and I fucking got up, I was woozy, got to the back of the line, and just, boom. 0.60

02:09:48.000 You know, it's kind of like little giants. 0.97

02:09:49.000 You wake up, everybody's around you, it's like, oh, it's okay, dude, he does that to everybody. 0.99

02:09:54.000 I was like, fuck, did y'all let me go with him? 0.99

02:09:56.000 Y'all don't like me, man. 1.00

02:09:59.000 And then when I was in college, I was running down on a kickoff.

02:10:05.000 Are you familiar with football?

02:10:06.000 Yeah.

02:10:06.000 I was running down on a kickoff, and at the time, you can't even do this anymore, but they put like...

02:10:12.000 The offensive and defensive linemen and the wedge and the dude with the ball, they were just like fucking clear house. 0.99

02:10:18.000 So I was just like, fuck it, and just closed my eyes and dove in there. 0.99

02:10:22.000 And it was like on the far sideline. 0.99

02:10:25.000 My next cognitive memory is like I'm walking around on our sideline. 0.97

02:10:29.000 I'm like, dude, how the fuck did I get here? 0.60

02:10:32.000 I was just over there. 0.94

02:10:33.000 Now I'm here.

02:10:35.000 Wow.

02:10:35.000 And then, like, five minutes later, he's like, all right, kickoff team, go again.

02:10:38.000 I was like, dude, I don't know if I should do that. 1.00

02:10:41.000 But, you know, at the time, it's like, dude, you can't be a pussy, dude. 1.00

02:10:43.000 Just fucking go. 1.00

02:10:45.000 And now they're like, oh, dude. 1.00

02:10:47.000 Now they stop people from doing shit like that, right? 0.97

02:10:48.000 Yeah, they're like... 0.98

02:10:50.000 If you get KO'd now in a football game, do they just stop and get you out?

02:10:53.000 If they even suspect you of having a concussion, they take your helmet.

02:10:56.000 When you're done. 1.00

02:10:59.000 When I played, shit like that was encouraged. 0.99

02:11:03.000 He doesn't want to play anymore. 1.00

02:11:05.000 Bitch. 1.00

02:11:07.000 Pussy. 1.00

02:11:08.000 That guy's actually a little bit smarter than the rest of us. 1.00

02:11:12.000 Isn't it crazy that it's so recent that they've figured all this out?

02:11:16.000 Yeah.

02:11:17.000 Well, I think the big turning point, there was a guy named Junior Seau, who was a linebacker for the Chargers.

02:11:26.000 Committed suicide.

02:11:27.000 Committed suicide, and they don't know if you have CTE until after you die, and they study your brain.

02:11:33.000 And they're like, His brain's not right.

02:11:36.000 So then after that, I think, is when they started changing the rules and stuff.

02:11:43.000 Because football, as it's played today, doesn't really look like how it was.

02:11:48.000 Like the big hits was encouraged.

02:11:50.000 Blind sides were encouraged. 1.00

02:11:52.000 It's like, oh, fuck it. 1.00

02:11:53.000 You saw what I just did to that guy. 1.00

02:11:54.000 You know, laugh about it.

02:11:57.000 Now you get kicked out of the game and you have to sit out the following game as well.

02:12:00.000 Really?

02:12:02.000 So they're trying to figure out a way to make the craziest, most non-safe sport ever safe.

02:12:07.000 I was like, you know... 0.69

02:12:09.000 So I think a lot of people were ignorant back then, but now you know...

02:12:14.000 Like, the risk that you're taking. 0.87

02:12:16.000 So, yeah.

02:12:16.000 Sign the waiver and go.

02:12:18.000 Sign the waiver and also, you know, it's an opportunity for greatness.

02:12:23.000 Yeah.

02:12:23.000 That's the thing.

02:12:24.000 It's like you will take that risk, but if you become a superstar, the rewards are pretty substantial.

02:12:30.000 I mean, if you're a superstar in the NFL and you can bang out five, six years, like, you make a substantial amount of money.

02:12:39.000 Like, if I knew then, would I still play football?

02:12:43.000 Absolutely.

02:12:43.000 There's nothing you could have done to stop me from playing outside of an injury.

02:12:48.000 Like, yeah, dude, I fucking... 0.95

02:12:49.000 I loved football. 0.97

02:12:50.000 I like everything that came with football.

02:12:51.000 I love the lifestyle of football.

02:12:54.000 And, you know, at the time, I thought I was going to make a lot of money playing football.

02:12:59.000 So, you know, yeah, I'll take the risk.

02:13:02.000 And, you know, same thing with fighting.

02:13:05.000 Like, oh, you're worried about your brain?

02:13:06.000 I mean...

02:13:07.000 We'll cross that bridge when we get there.

02:13:09.000 You seem fine now.

02:13:10.000 I think mushrooms help.

02:13:13.000 NAD helps.

02:13:16.000 I guess that's like preventative stuff.

02:13:20.000 Do you keep an eye on it though?

02:13:23.000 Do you check in on yourself?

02:13:26.000 Like, how are we doing?

02:13:27.000 We alright here?

02:13:28.000 Yeah.

02:13:31.000 Especially when I get tired, I feel like I'm thinking slow.

02:13:34.000 I got to think about what I'm thinking about.

02:13:36.000 But I hope it's just being tired.

02:13:42.000 Let me go take a nap or something.

02:13:43.000 There's a dude that I knew that was a fighter that retired, and he definitely sparred too hard, and he definitely had some rough fights.

02:13:54.000 He got KO'd a couple of times, and when I was around him, he seemed okay until he had a drink.

02:14:00.000 Like, a drink.

02:14:01.000 Yeah.

02:14:02.000 It was crazy.

02:14:05.000 Like, one drink, two drinks in, it was like he was obliterated.

02:14:09.000 Like, he had drank a whole case of beer.

02:14:11.000 It was crazy.

02:14:13.000 I hope I don't get like that.

02:14:15.000 I don't know.

02:14:16.000 Right now you seem to learn sign language or something.

02:14:18.000 No signs at all.

02:14:20.000 You seem totally normal.

02:14:21.000 But I think it's different for everybody, right?

02:14:23.000 There's like a genetic predisposition.

02:14:26.000 It's like APOE4. They said that about CTEs.

02:14:30.000 We don't even know.

02:14:31.000 And I haven't done any research on it lately, so I don't know if they've found anything out.

02:14:35.000 But I know a few years ago that I did, we don't even know if you're genetically predisposed to getting this anyways.

02:14:41.000 Yeah.

02:14:42.000 The football hits and tackles and stuff make it move faster.

02:14:47.000 So you're feeling it at 40, 50 instead of 70 or 80. Right.

02:14:54.000 When you go back and if you think about your times playing football, your great times versus your great wins in fighting, what is more satisfying to you? 0.99

02:15:06.000 There's no drug, there's no anything that you could do to replicate the emotions and feelings after knocking a motherfucker out. 0.98

02:15:17.000 And I'm not talking about getting on top and hitting him until the ref pulls you off. 0.99

02:15:21.000 One punch, boom, he's jello on the ground. 0.98

02:15:25.000 You might have killed that guy. 0.99

02:15:26.000 There's no better feeling. 0.99

02:15:28.000 And I've won like a...

02:15:30.000 When I played football, we went playing the national championship and had a pretty big play at the end of the game that kind of sealed it.

02:15:36.000 But even that, the last game of my college career doesn't equate to knocking out Hafe on the tall the way I did.

02:15:45.000 It just doesn't.

02:15:46.000 It's one-on-one.

02:15:47.000 It's you versus me.

02:15:49.000 And I just did that to you.

02:15:54.000 I've done quite a few drugs.

02:15:57.000 I've had quite a few big moments. 0.99

02:16:00.000 Other side of the coin, there's no fucking lower feeling than getting your ass whooped in front of not only the crowd, but the people on TV. But I'll take it, dude. 0.99

02:16:14.000 I'll fucking run the risk of... 0.99

02:16:16.000 That versus the high you get after a knockout or a win any day. 0.97

02:16:22.000 Do you remember the feeling of your first loss where you're like, oh geez, this is different?

02:16:29.000 Yeah, because my first loss was to Machida and I feel like I beat Machida.

02:16:34.000 I just so happened to fight him in Brazil.

02:16:37.000 And I think that he thinks that he lost, because, you know, before they read the scorecards, his head's all low, and he's, you know, kind of pouting, and he's like, oh, winner by split decision, Machida, and all of a sudden, he's like, wow.

02:16:50.000 But that was not a loss, like a, you know, that was not like Tiago Santos' loss, it wasn't, you know?

02:16:56.000 Yeah.

02:17:01.000 Because you could have won that fight.

02:17:03.000 Yeah.

02:17:03.000 I remember that fight.

02:17:04.000 You could have won that fight.

02:17:05.000 I had his back.

02:17:08.000 Yeah, I was in that fight.

02:17:10.000 But I kind of liked, or told myself anyways, that I kind of liked pushing myself.

02:17:15.000 Like, I like the challenge, you know? 0.98

02:17:18.000 And, you know, two fights later, you know, he's fucking fighting for the championship. 0.96

02:17:23.000 And to be honest, I think that's kind of the fight that put me on the map. 0.97

02:17:27.000 Even though it was a loss, I think the people liked. 0.99

02:17:29.000 These two big motherfuckers just stood in the middle and just swung on each other until one couldn't anymore. 1.00

02:17:35.000 From the fans' perspective, I think they really liked that. 0.99

02:17:39.000 Yeah, it was definitely a big fight.

02:17:41.000 But it's not a fight like a serious loss.

02:17:45.000 Yeah.

02:17:47.000 Roundtree was pretty devastating.

02:17:50.000 Just because, like, there's something about that day where I was just like, dude, I don't want to fight. 0.98

02:17:55.000 I do not want to fucking fight. 0.76

02:17:57.000 I'm going to do it anyways, but I don't really want to be here right now. 0.97

02:18:01.000 What do you think that is?

02:18:02.000 I have no idea.

02:18:04.000 Because, I mean, all the preparation, all the training...

02:18:07.000 Dude, there's some fights, like, when I made my debut, I had zero nerves, and as soon as my feet touched the canvas and I felt like how grippy it is, I was like, dude, he's dead. 1.00

02:18:17.000 This motherfucker's out of here. 1.00

02:18:18.000 I know he's gonna, I know I'm finna win. 1.00

02:18:20.000 But that roundtree fight in particular, I remember walking to the cage like, and then me someone puts a banana peel out here, and I fucking slip. 0.99

02:18:30.000 Like, fuck, dude, I don't. 0.99

02:18:32.000 Can we do this tomorrow? 1.00

02:18:33.000 Is that the only time you've ever felt like that?

02:18:35.000 To that extreme, yeah.

02:18:36.000 Yeah?

02:18:37.000 Yeah.

02:18:38.000 What do you think that was?

02:18:39.000 I don't know, and I was really confident going into that fight, because I didn't think that he could wrestle.

02:18:43.000 I was watching film, I was like, dude, he's never, like, just flat, like, he's dropped a lot of people, but that's, he just dropped them, like, he never, like, knocked them unconscious. 0.97

02:18:52.000 I was like, alright, even if I do eat one, I'll fucking still be alive and be able to fight and shit. 0.99

02:18:57.000 But, I don't know, dude, I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed, and I was like, fuck. 0.99

02:19:01.000 That's what you were talking about earlier when you're talking about Khabib and Usman and these guys that like every single time they're mentally there. 0.98

02:19:09.000 Yeah.

02:19:09.000 That's probably one of the hardest parts of the sport.

02:19:12.000 Gotta be. 0.99

02:19:13.000 And there's other fights where like, I've been getting this dude's ass and it's going to be hell for him. 0.98

02:19:19.000 So I don't know what that is. 0.98

02:19:22.000 Have you ever gotten a sports psychologist? 0.99

02:19:25.000 Yeah, they all say different shit. 0.99

02:19:28.000 One guy would say, just be happy to be here. 0.99

02:19:30.000 And I'm just like, that's preposterous.

02:19:34.000 No, dude.

02:19:34.000 I used to make fun of people.

02:19:36.000 He's just happy to be here.

02:19:37.000 He's for sure.

02:19:38.000 Or don't worry about the outcome. 0.98

02:19:41.000 He's like, no, dude, I am worried about the fucking outcome because that's half my money. 0.99

02:19:44.000 You know, you lose a fight, I could get cut. 0.99

02:19:46.000 Yes, the outcome absolutely matters.

02:19:48.000 Stop talking to me.

02:19:49.000 That's another thing I hate about the sport.

02:19:51.000 The win-lose bonus.

02:19:53.000 I don't like that at all.

02:19:54.000 I think you should get played.

02:19:56.000 I think you should...

02:19:56.000 It's not like...

02:19:57.000 No one is trying harder because you're gonna get your win bonus. 0.99

02:20:01.000 You're trying to fucking win. 1.00

02:20:02.000 You're in a goddamn cage fight. 1.00

02:20:04.000 I don't think it incentivizes, and I think with the judging, the judging is so erratic. 1.00

02:20:10.000 Like, sometimes they're so wrong.

02:20:12.000 Yeah, I feel like I won my last fight, too.

02:20:14.000 But the judges said I didn't.

02:20:16.000 I was like, man, how?

02:20:17.000 What?

02:20:17.000 That was a very close fight.

02:20:19.000 Yeah.

02:20:19.000 I thought you won it, too.

02:20:21.000 Yeah.

02:20:22.000 But then you lose half your money.

02:20:24.000 Yeah.

02:20:25.000 Which is crazy. 0.95

02:20:25.000 I don't care about like the lost column as much as I do because like I invest you know I don't buy stupid shit with my money so it's not like oh I was gonna blow it anyways dude how many houses could I have bought with you know my win bonus how much more money I invested and like mid-states and oil and gas companies and stuff like that yeah so I'm like kind of fucks me up It's so hard because so many fights are so goddamn close. 0.95

02:20:52.000 Today I watched Brandon Moreno vs. 0.93

02:20:56.000 Davis and Figueredo, the rematch. 0.99

02:20:58.000 And Figueredo won the rematch and I was watching and I was like, man, what a close fucking fight. 0.98

02:21:03.000 And Brandon thought he won. 0.95

02:21:05.000 And I'm like, the fact that he's not getting half his money is crazy.

02:21:08.000 Yeah.

02:21:09.000 It was a hell of a fight.

02:21:10.000 A hell of a fight. 0.91

02:21:11.000 Fought his ass off.

02:21:13.000 And I feel the same way about Max Holloway versus Volkanovski in the second fight. 0.97

02:21:18.000 That fight was so goddamn close.

02:21:21.000 It was so close. 0.91

02:21:22.000 Like, how could you take a man's half his money away based on some subjective opinions of whether or not he won the fight?

02:21:30.000 What do you think the answer is for, like, the judging?

02:21:34.000 You think there should be more judges, open scoring?

02:21:36.000 Yeah, I think both of those things would be good.

02:21:38.000 I think more judges for sure.

02:21:40.000 I think five judges would be the right way to do it.

02:21:42.000 I think Glory uses four or five.

02:21:45.000 Kickboxing, I think that would be better.

02:21:47.000 I don't think three's enough.

02:21:49.000 Because, like, sometimes you'll have, like, two people that get it totally wrong, and then one person gets it right.

02:21:55.000 Did you see Caitlin Vieira and Holly Holm?

02:21:59.000 Yes, I did.

02:22:00.000 Yeah, I thought Holly Holm won like three or four rounds. 0.98

02:22:04.000 Yeah, I have to go and watch that again.

02:22:06.000 I have to go and watch that again to try to figure out, you know.

02:22:10.000 I like the open scoring.

02:22:11.000 Let me know.

02:22:12.000 I play a football game.

02:22:14.000 I play a basketball game.

02:22:15.000 I know the score of the game.

02:22:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:22:17.000 The other worry about that is that someone might go in like Devin Haney versus Combosis, right?

02:22:22.000 Go into that final round knowing that you're...

02:22:24.000 Bring back yellow cards.

02:22:26.000 Or whatever. 1.00

02:22:27.000 You're going to get penalized, motherfucker. 1.00

02:22:28.000 If you run, if you don't engage, you're going to fucking lose a point. 1.00

02:22:32.000 See, yellow card was a great part of Pride. 0.98

02:22:34.000 Pride was a great organization.

02:22:36.000 But they use yellow cards sometimes when people are just being strategic and smart.

02:22:41.000 They just wanted entertainment.

02:22:43.000 There's something about, because some guys, they're just being smart. 0.93

02:22:48.000 But then you have fights like the Rose Namajunas-Carlo Esparza fight, where you're like, what the fuck is happening here?

02:22:55.000 Nothing's happening.

02:22:56.000 They both should have got yellow cards.

02:22:58.000 Like, what are you doing?

02:23:00.000 You know, a million people are watching right now?

02:23:02.000 Come on.

02:23:03.000 You saw Yair and Korean Zombie. 0.98

02:23:08.000 I don't know if the Zombie knew if he was up all those rounds because it was a close fight.

02:23:14.000 He was up, I think, four rounds.

02:23:17.000 He was trying to push it because I don't think he knew that he was up.

02:23:21.000 He got knocked out in 10 seconds with 10 seconds left in the thing.

02:23:25.000 Crazy elbow, too.

02:23:27.000 That was nuts. 0.99

02:23:28.000 I think, what do you think the mechanism is to, you know how some dudes get knocked out, they go stiff, like fucking, you know, locked out like roadkill, or like when they go like rubber chicken. 0.98

02:23:42.000 Why do you think the two different things happen? 0.94

02:23:45.000 It's a good question.

02:23:46.000 It's like what's going on in the brain.

02:23:47.000 Because that's scary. 1.00

02:23:48.000 The way he like fell and fucking like, oh shit, dude. 1.00

02:23:53.000 But roadkill's scary too. 1.00

02:23:55.000 When the guy's stiffing up and just bouts.

02:23:58.000 But you know he's alive. 0.98

02:24:00.000 His muscles are fucking seized up. 0.98

02:24:02.000 He's like, his heart's still beating. 0.99

02:24:04.000 I guess.

02:24:04.000 I don't know.

02:24:05.000 They're both scary. 0.99

02:24:06.000 When you get shut off, getting shut off is fucking scary. 0.95

02:24:10.000 And one of the things about the UFC that's really interesting is that no one's ever died. 0.98

02:24:14.000 You know, I mean, there's been so many deaths in boxing during the same time period.

02:24:18.000 Obviously, boxing has many, many different promotions and the UFC only has one.

02:24:22.000 Yeah.

02:24:23.000 But the only deaths that I know of in MMA are either people with a pre-existing condition or people who fought overseas.

02:24:31.000 Some of them have been from weight cuts.

02:24:34.000 There's been, like, deaths because of that.

02:24:36.000 But it's interesting that, relatively speaking, MMA is more safe than boxing.

02:24:42.000 Even though you think it's not because the knockouts are so cool. 0.61

02:24:47.000 Like a head kick knockout, it's crazy. 0.99

02:24:49.000 That one that you landed, the soccer kick, like holy shit. 1.00

02:24:51.000 But it's over. 0.99

02:24:52.000 It's over.

02:24:53.000 It's not like that dude took like six of those.

02:24:55.000 That's true too.

02:24:56.000 You know, boxing, I feel like they take a lot more.

02:24:59.000 Especially like the way they train too. 0.99

02:25:00.000 I'm like, dude, you motherfuckers, it's pretty archaic how you guys are training, how you guys are training, like Neanderthals. 0.99

02:25:06.000 Yeah, they beat the fuck out of each other sometimes, you know. 1.00

02:25:09.000 It'd really just be one, like, everybody else is there for him, and he beats the fuck out of all of them. 0.98

02:25:16.000 Yeah, and you're getting brain damage. 0.71

02:25:17.000 Even though you're just paid as a sparring partner, you're getting fight brain damage.

02:25:21.000 Yeah.

02:25:22.000 When you spar, do you spar hard?

02:25:24.000 Like, how do you spar?

02:25:25.000 I always spar with bubble gloves.

02:25:26.000 Yeah?

02:25:27.000 Yeah, so, like...

02:25:29.000 We throw, but I'm not going to try to knock you out.

02:25:35.000 My training partners, they respect the game too.

02:25:39.000 We're getting in there.

02:25:40.000 We're fighting.

02:25:40.000 It's getting chaotic in there.

02:25:44.000 I'm not worried about getting knocked out in training or getting hurt in training and then showing up to a fight with a compromised chin or getting knocked out in practice and then still showing up to the fight.

02:25:56.000 Dude, you should probably just pull out and be okay.

02:26:00.000 That does happen, man.

02:26:01.000 That does happen. 1.00

02:26:02.000 Sometimes guys fight and they're fucked. 0.99

02:26:05.000 Before the fight even starts. 0.98

02:26:08.000 Do you remember when Travis Luter fought Marvin Eastman?

02:26:13.000 He just touched him on the chair.

02:26:15.000 And Marvin just went flat out unconscious.

02:26:18.000 It turned out he had been KO'd twice in training. 1.00

02:26:21.000 Shit. 1.00

02:26:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:26:22.000 I think it's crazy how someone can go their whole career and be like, fuck, he's durable, it's fucking chin, and then the next day, a stiff breeze. 1.00

02:26:30.000 Like, dude, what the fuck was that, dude? 1.00

02:26:32.000 He's taking a dive. 0.99

02:26:33.000 No, no, no. 0.99

02:26:34.000 He's fucking asleep right now. 0.99

02:26:35.000 Chuck Liddell was a good example of that. 0.99

02:26:37.000 Yeah.

02:26:37.000 Do you see the Chuck Liddell-Tito Ortiz fight?

02:26:40.000 The last one?

02:26:41.000 Yeah.

02:26:41.000 It's like, whoa.

02:26:42.000 Yeah.

02:26:43.000 Sad.

02:26:44.000 I would really hope to not fight past 40 or whatever.

02:26:51.000 It's not even past 40 because Randy won the title past 40 and he was great.

02:26:55.000 And he's still great today.

02:26:57.000 He's like a wrestler.

02:26:58.000 He wasn't like...

02:27:00.000 Out there trading.

02:27:01.000 But he was out there trading too.

02:27:03.000 He got knocked out by Chuck, you know, and then came back and beat Tim Sylvia, knocked down Tim Sylvia in the first round.

02:27:11.000 It's just some people are more durable for whatever reason genetically, and then some people it's like the amount of sparring they took in training.

02:27:20.000 Chuck is one of the best examples of it because when Chuck was young, he was known for having like a granite chin.

02:27:27.000 You could just crack him and he would just fire back at you and he knocked a lot of people out just because he could take a shot so well.

02:27:33.000 And then one day, it just stopped working.

02:27:36.000 That's crazy.

02:27:37.000 Yeah, and then the knockouts came, you know, like Rampage KO'd him and then other people were KO'ing him and then it just got to a point where it's just like one good punch and you would just go out.

02:27:50.000 I feel like your chin is like a pitcher's arm. 0.99

02:27:52.000 That motherfucker can only take so much. 1.00

02:27:54.000 You've got a limited number of pitches or shots that you can take before that motherfucker just ain't. 1.00

02:28:01.000 The way Chuck explained it to me, it's like your brain is protecting you. 0.99

02:28:04.000 It's like your brain knows you're so tough, and it's like, hey, we've got to protect this guy. 1.00

02:28:08.000 He's stupid. 1.00

02:28:09.000 He's going to keep getting hit, so let's just shut off. 1.00

02:28:11.000 I would like to believe that's a real rationale, but...

02:28:17.000 I don't know.

02:28:18.000 That's a...

02:28:19.000 It's probably not.

02:28:19.000 No.

02:28:20.000 It's probably way more sinister. 1.00

02:28:21.000 Yeah, your fucking brain's swelling inside your skull right now is what's happening. 1.00

02:28:25.000 Well, that's the saddest part, right? 1.00

02:28:27.000 When you see the speech patterns change.

02:28:30.000 You know, there's quite a few guys that have seen their speech patterns change.

02:28:34.000 You see they struggle to try to form sentences.

02:28:37.000 You see that slowing of the words.

02:28:40.000 And sometimes their movements change.

02:28:43.000 That's one of the weirder ones.

02:28:45.000 I've noticed guys, like, they've been KO'd a few times, and then I watch them train, and I see they take, like, shorter steps.

02:28:51.000 They take, like, it's almost like... 0.99

02:28:52.000 They're off-balance and shit. 0.96

02:28:53.000 Yeah, like, their balance is not right, or there's no fluidity. 0.99

02:28:57.000 Their body movements are almost herky-jerky.

02:29:03.000 It's weird when they start a sentence, and then they're, like...

02:29:08.000 And then it's like a long pause.

02:29:10.000 They forget.

02:29:10.000 They're high.

02:29:11.000 Are you good?

02:29:13.000 They start talking about things again that they just talked about a couple minutes ago.

02:29:18.000 They forgot they said it, and they said it again.

02:29:21.000 Dude, I do that.

02:29:24.000 I retell stories, but Larry's like, did I ever tell you about the times? 0.99

02:29:28.000 He's like, yeah, motherfucker, you told me that two months ago. 0.99

02:29:31.000 No, not like 30 seconds, but just a long time. 1.00

02:29:34.000 A few months ago, I'm like, fuck, dude, I don't have any more stories. 0.99

02:29:38.000 I gotta go out there and do some wild shit. 1.00

02:29:40.000 That's normal. 1.00

02:29:41.000 That's normal.

02:29:42.000 That's just life.

02:29:43.000 And also, you know, you gotta think of how many different times you talk to people.

02:29:47.000 How many different people you talk to.

02:29:48.000 You're constantly traveling to fights, constantly training and meeting people.

02:29:52.000 Your interactions with people are much more varied than the average person.

02:29:56.000 Sure.

02:29:58.000 Making me feel better.

02:30:00.000 I appreciate it.

02:30:00.000 No, you're good, man.

02:30:02.000 You're good.

02:30:03.000 Listen, Eric, it's been great to sit down and talk to you.

02:30:06.000 It's been great watching your fights, man.

02:30:08.000 I'm a fan.

02:30:09.000 You're always exciting.

02:30:10.000 It's always a lot of fun.

02:30:11.000 I appreciate it, brother.

02:30:12.000 And you're a cool dude to talk to.

02:30:13.000 So I enjoyed it.

02:30:14.000 Appreciate it.

02:30:14.000 Good luck to you in everything, man.

02:30:16.000 And next five fights, whatever it is, I hope I'm calling them.

02:30:19.000 Alright.

02:30:20.000 Are we good to talk, man?

02:30:21.000 I don't think we ever won one of the fights.

02:30:23.000 Actually, I did.

02:30:24.000 I beat Darren Stewart, and I think they ran over time.

02:30:27.000 Yeah, that happens.

02:30:28.000 Sometimes people get mad at me.

02:30:29.000 I'm like, yeah, that's not me.

02:30:30.000 They tell me in the truck whether or not I can talk to somebody. 1.00

02:30:33.000 I was like, yeah, I get to talk to Joe, and they're like, fuck out of here. 1.00

02:30:37.000 It'll happen. 1.00

02:30:38.000 Hopefully.

02:30:39.000 Thank you, though.

02:30:40.000 Appreciate it, brother.

02:30:41.000 Take care.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 31, 2011

JRE MMA Show #126 with Eryk Anders

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