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00:00:00.000the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day first of all how the fuck do you make 185 pounds How is that even possible?
00:00:43.000Well, how much of a performance impact does it have on you even if you take off, even if you have two solid months to prepare and lose the weight?
00:02:31.000And the middleweights, for my career, I think middleweight is the way to go because they're not as durable as the light heavyweights and the light heavyweights.
00:04:15.000It's, like, the perfect amount of length, but strong as shit.
00:04:19.000You know, there's, like, a lot of advantages for that.
00:04:23.000Yeah, you know, those guys, especially at the top, you know, they're much bigger for the most part than everybody else in the weight class.
00:04:31.000Ushman's a big motherfucker for the weight class.
00:04:34.000John Jones, C64. You know, they call him, like, his legs look skinny, but he's not a skinny guy.
00:06:09.000This is not how you should be doing this.
00:06:11.000So she started measuring my meals, and I was actually eating more, you know, because it makes your metabolism faster or whatever, but smaller meals.
00:07:08.000I just found myself being mad and frustrated that You know, here I am living in the same town that just a year ago, we won a national championship, and I'm doing this kind of work.
00:07:20.000So, you know, fighting all the time, drinking, abusing drugs, just kind of mad, and walking around with my fists balled up all the time.
00:07:31.000So, I'm like, man, eventually something's going to happen to me.
00:07:34.000I'm going to get shot, you know, just doing stupid stuff.
00:07:37.000And so I just walked into a gym, started training.
00:07:48.000Yeah, because I chased the dream, the football dream.
00:07:50.000I went to Colorado, played arena ball, played in Canada for a little bit, and finally I was just like, dude, if it's not the NFL, then it's not worth it.
00:08:02.000So what was holding you back from achieving your goals in the NFL? I just don't think I was big enough, fast enough, good enough.
00:08:10.000You know, you always kind of like lie to yourself when you're younger.
00:09:56.000And so I think the ego kind of gets in the way of guys coming from other sports and girls coming from other sports and learning this stuff.
00:10:04.000Well, that even works in guys in combat sports that are learning MMA, like guys who are kickboxers.
00:10:10.000They don't like to wrestle or do jiu-jitsu.
00:10:13.000They just want to learn how to get up.
00:10:17.000So when they get in scrambles, They don't really know how to do anything offensively, so everything is defensive, which once your opponent realizes that everything is defensive, it's much more relaxing for them.
00:10:30.000Yeah, and they know they don't have a risk, so they can take more chances.
00:11:27.000Tell your coach that, tell your mom that.
00:11:29.000Yeah, I mean, he's in the money for these big, big fights like Lomachenko, and, you know, so after he beat Kambosis, you know, that was, you know, that was a pivotal fight for him.
00:11:39.000I understand taking it off the last round, but yeah, don't say that.
00:17:33.000So he got him in an arm bar and tapped him, and it was fucking crazy because nobody had ever seen a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt get tapped And Sakuraba was, like, way smaller than him, too.
00:17:47.000Like, Sakuraba was probably under 200 pounds.
00:18:21.000Even, like, if you go and watch jiu-jitsu tournaments, like top-level jiu-jitsu tournaments from, like, 94, 95, and then watch them today in 2022, it's incredible how much progress has been made.
00:18:35.000How long do you think Sakurabi had been playing or training jiu-jitsu?
00:18:39.000Well, he actually was training catch wrestling.
00:18:41.000That's what's interesting about Sakuraba.
00:18:43.000There's a lot of those guys that were pro wrestlers in Japan, but in pro wrestling in Japan, they do a lot of hard fights.
00:18:52.000Pro wrestling in Japan has a history of real fights.
00:18:56.000Like, sometimes they would have shoots or they would have works.
00:19:00.000And so, like, if you ever want to talk to Josh Barnett as the master of this shit, he'll tell you all about that because, you know, he's a big pro wrestling fan.
00:19:07.000I was training at Danaher's yesterday, and I was talking to this kid from Louisville, Kentucky.
00:19:13.000And I was like, oh, how long have you been training?
00:20:10.000If you go to, like, some of the people's, like, Instagram who bitching about fighter pay, go to their Instagram and see what it is that they're spending their money on.
00:20:40.000But whenever I'm ready, I can dip whenever I want to.
00:20:45.000You're a tough motherfucker, man, because I've watched a lot of your fights and I've been a fan of your fights, your wins and your losses, but when you fought Khalil Roundtree and he was leg-kicking the shit out of you and you didn't even flinch, I was like, damn!
00:20:59.000That was one of the most impressive, like, in a losing performance, one of the most impressive displays of toughness.
00:21:06.000Maybe I should play poker, because that shit was hurting.
00:28:59.000But you know, there are like functioning, you know, alcoholics and people who can do these things, but I think at the end of the day, the drug wins, whatever it is, if you have that If you're an addict.
00:29:12.000But I think addiction is more than just physical.
00:29:18.000It's the choice to start doing so much drugs that your body becomes dependent upon it.
00:29:24.000Those choices are usually not choices that are made by people that are having a good life.
00:29:59.000I think that just completely eliminates your ego and helps you get over that kind of stuff.
00:30:05.000Isn't it hard to believe that it's real?
00:30:07.000When you do it, you're like, how can I get there that quick?
00:30:10.000How can I just smoke this thing and then 15 seconds later I'm there?
00:30:13.000I did it like three times in one session, like a small, medium, and, you know, an astronomical dose.
00:30:23.000And, like, the second one, I was like, man, I always hear people like astro, like, oh, they're talking about astro-projecting and this sounds, I was like...
00:31:03.000So, I was like running around his backyard, like screaming at the top of my lungs, rolling around on the grass.
00:31:10.000Dude, when I woke up, I wasn't in the same place that I was, and I had, like, grass things all over my hands and my clothes and stuff, and I'm like, dude, are you okay?
00:32:19.000So I kind of like lie to myself and it's like, oh dude, you're just tired, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever.
00:32:26.000But then I go back and watch the fights after that and the pace is slower, the output is slower because I don't want to get to that level of exhaustion ever.
00:32:35.000And then you do that and it's like, fuck it, you know?
00:32:38.000If you get there, you get there, you know?
00:33:00.000Yeah, like I did it on the way to the airport.
00:33:04.000I smoked on the way to the airport, and dude, I just could not stop thinking about death.
00:33:08.000I was like, dude, if I crash this car, if I do this, and I was like, on the airplane, or in the airport, just in my head, like going crazy.
00:33:15.000I was like, dude, I don't want to like...
00:33:17.000I hope I don't act out like, you know, kind of like go through that rolling around on the ground.
00:33:42.000Like, what I would do is, when I lived in LA, I was 40 minutes from the airport, and I would take a 200 milligram edible in my driveway, and I would go, let's go!
00:33:51.000And then I just had to get to the airport before it kicked in.
00:35:52.000I used to get up and go run or go work out.
00:35:56.000But then I found out that overtraining is a real thing.
00:36:01.000So I was like, dude, even if I can't sleep, it's probably better to just lay here and be still or watch TV, read a book, do something, than go out there and train.
00:36:19.000I think I fought Marcus Perez my second fight, and dude, I trained my ass off.
00:36:22.000I was running, and then I'm warming up in the back, and I'm talking about like three minutes into a mid-session, dude, I was fucking exhausted.
00:36:49.000If this shit gets hectic, you go bad really quick.
00:36:53.000I think that's the most helpless thing.
00:36:55.000When you're so tired, you can't defend yourself.
00:36:57.000I did not want that to happen, but it definitely went my way.
00:37:01.000Yeah, that's the scariest thing for any fighter to be in that position, especially if you're fighting someone who's got a crazy gas tank.
00:37:09.000It's like when guys level up, when you get to this level of, like this Max Holloway level, dudes who have crazy volume and never get tired, and you see guys in the middle of a fight with Holloway sometimes when they're like, what the fuck is going on?
00:37:50.000Like, super high volume, a lot of footwork and movement, and his distance intelligence is knowing when to come in and when to come out, and how he was like slipping away from Ortega, and then he's helping him block.
00:38:13.000Well, the Calvin Cater fight was the one when he was really the most in the zone.
00:38:17.000When he was in the middle of that fight, he's got his hands down and he's talking to people on the side of the cage.
00:38:23.000He's like, I'm the best fucking boxer in MMA. And then Calvin's throwing punches at him and he's just moving his head away with his hands down.
00:39:58.000Because Paul Daly has one of the most lethal left hands that's ever, ever been thrown in all of MMA. That fucking dude nukes everybody.
00:40:07.000And he hurt Nick a couple of times in that fight.
00:40:09.000And that was a crazy fight because Nick was the guy that was known as a jiu-jitsu black belt.
00:40:14.000I mean, yeah, he had knocked out Robbie Lawler, but Paul Daly was one of the scariest strikers to ever fight in MMA. I mean, still to this day, one of my favorite knockout artists because he just nukes everybody.
00:41:28.000Like, Paul just sprinted trying to get Nick out of there because he gets everybody out of there.
00:41:33.000Everybody who stands in front of him, he was blasting.
00:41:35.000And this fight goes into deep water in this first round.
00:41:39.000And Nick starts seeing him slow down, so he starts attacking him.
00:41:43.000And right when you think that Paul's done, you know, Paul's like taking a little break.
00:41:47.000Paul clips him again and hurts him again in the fight.
00:41:51.000I mean, it was one of the best performances of Nick Diaz's career.
00:41:55.000And people that know how good Nick is, a lot of people don't know him from these days, from the Strikeforce days.
00:42:04.000That looks slow on TV, but I bet you in real life it's like he's fucking whipping you.
00:42:10.000Oh yeah, and he knows like when to throw hard, right?
00:42:14.000Like half the time he's pity-patting you, but when he's got openings, he throws hard.
00:42:18.000And so he winds up on the bottom here.
00:42:20.000But this is like, the problem was, you know, Chael Sonnen once said, like, if you don't win by knockout, and you try to win by knockout, you're definitely going to lose by decision.
00:42:31.000And that's kind of like what happened in this fight.
00:42:47.000And, you know, maybe if Paul had dropped him early in the fight like that, and he got him in this position, he would have been able to really hurt him.
00:44:15.000I will do a little bit of snorkeling near coral reefs, like if I'm on vacation, as long as I get like 100% confirmation there's no sharks in this area.
00:44:25.000There's a lot of stuff in there that they can get me.
00:44:36.000Whatever it is, if it pulls you under, even if you don't bleed to death or lose your leg or whatever, you're going to drown, which is probably one of the worst ways to fucking die outside of being burned alive.
00:44:46.000They say it's one of the most peaceful ways because you just kind of black out.
00:44:49.000I'm going to panic a lot before I black out.
00:44:51.000I'm going to exert a lot and swallow a lot of water before I black out.
00:44:56.000Yeah, it's not fun, but it's like, those fights, like, it's interesting to me the different kind of styles, right?
00:45:04.000Like, there's the guys that sprint, and they can get guys out of there in the first round, and then there's guys that just, like, slowly start putting heat on you and cooking you, and then they come after you.
00:47:02.000Well, Kelvin, you know, especially then in that fight, you know, Kelvin has had some good fights and bad fights, but in that fight, Kelvin was at the top of his fucking game.
00:47:11.000I don't think Cantoneer has that same speed changeup that Calvin does.
00:47:19.000Calvin has very smooth and efficient hands.
00:47:24.000When Calvin throws his hands in combination, the knockout of Bisping, that straight left, he's so efficient.
00:54:55.000He was complaining that he thought Lovato was on steroids.
00:54:58.000But that's just because when you clinch up with a guy like Lovato, multiple-time world jiu-jitsu champion, your ego does not want you to believe that the guy's that strong.
00:55:10.000Or that good that I grappled with, Lovato.
00:55:37.000I know Isn't it interesting when someone does that when you roll with somebody and they just kind of baby you and they're still like completely in control That's the levels of jujitsu that are so disconcerting.
00:55:49.000Because you feel like, oh, I'm at a pretty good level.
00:57:17.000Because the reality is, any other world where a guy the size of, say, Michael Chandler has zero chance against a guy the size of Francis Ngannou.
00:58:30.000I think he's had a resurgence, too, because I remember when he kind of got on this roll, they were like, oh, dude, no, I don't think so, because he's a quitter.
00:59:12.000So I guess probably started taking training more seriously, you know, put more time and effort in the gym and not so much into other people.
01:01:15.000I don't know, like, what his reading level is, but business mind?
01:01:20.000Dude, the dude's fucking smart as shit.
01:01:22.000Saying he's not smart because he doesn't have a high reading level, because he doesn't read a lot, is like saying that someone who's like really good at something else, like really good at playing chess, but sucks at jiu-jitsu is dumb because they suck at jiu-jitsu.
01:01:38.000It's like, how much time has he spent trying to read?
01:05:57.000We tried to find it, but I watched this thing when I was a kid.
01:06:01.000It was like a news story, and Marvin was training for a Mustafa Ham show, and he was running on the beach, and it was like freezing cold out, and he was running in combat boots.
01:07:15.000And when he finally beat Tommy Hearns, when he knocked out Tommy Hearns in one of the greatest fights of all time, that was when he finally got his due.
01:07:22.000But his physique, I mean, Marvin was fucking shredded.
01:07:30.000And you know there was like he had a chip on his shoulder too because like for years and years He was winning and beating everybody who's the champ, but didn't quite get his due Yeah, you know like he always felt like they passed him by when they were glorifying Sugar Ray or glorifying Tommy Hearns Those most dangerous motherfuckers somebody fighting for something.
01:07:50.000Yeah, you know put some respect on Monday Yeah, he always had a chip on his shoulder, and I think he needed that chip to get, you know, really ramped up about stuff.
01:08:49.000When you see someone like your jaw muscles, you definitely can develop jaw muscles.
01:08:54.000I know there's a lot of people have done workouts where they take like an elastic band and they'll wrap it in like athletic tape and they clamp down on it.
01:09:08.000And then they'll pull and they'll do things with their jaw to develop their jaw muscles.
01:09:12.000You think it's like works your neck out too?
01:09:15.000It does work your neck out a little, but the best thing for the neck is something that, you know, is just, you're just using your neck.
01:12:08.000He used to just wrestle people, and that's why he probably had that 10-fight win streak before he got a title fight, because no one wants to just watch somebody wrestle, and he started putting hands on people.
01:18:48.000You know how dudes in baseball, they get that Tommy John surgery?
01:18:52.000There's guys who get surgeries that don't need it because they want to be able to throw better.
01:18:57.000Yeah, because it's like the rehab and they tighten up that tendon or ligament or whatever.
01:19:01.000I talked to my friend, the late, great Brody Stevens, and he was saying it's very rare that guys have done that, but he does believe that people have done it.
01:19:09.000They've gotten elective surgery just so they could throw harder.
01:23:08.000So I think like I fought in like nine months.
01:23:11.000When did it feel like you could start working out again?
01:23:16.000I kind of push the envelope when it comes to that thing.
01:23:21.000They were like, you have to wear a boot with this pad in it, and then eventually you take a little bit of the pad out and your foot lays flat in the boot.
01:23:37.000Every time you'd hear that shit click.
01:23:39.000Click click I'm getting off of these as soon as possible and So I started walking around in the boot and I started running and jogging I Think it's good.
01:23:50.000When you get injured with something like that like was this before you were fighting?
01:26:08.000But, you know, you kind of need both eyes.
01:26:09.000You need to see shit coming from over here, you know.
01:26:12.000Well, that's why he explained the Anderson Silva flying knee knockout.
01:26:15.000You know, when Anderson, when he was, like, looking for his mouthpiece, he dropped his mouthpiece, and he's trying to point to the referee to tell him that his mouthpiece was out, and Anderson hit him with a flying knee.
01:26:36.000I mean Michael Bisping, that man is the epitome of mental toughness.
01:26:42.000There's no more mentally challenging thing than you're competing in a sport that's already blinded one of your eyes and you're competing at the highest level and you win the world title.
01:26:54.000He probably wasn't hurting for money, so it probably wasn't like he had to do that.
01:27:57.000Dude, that motherfucker came back and set the Russian title in nine months after tearing his ACL. Yeah, it's crazy.
01:28:04.000So, I'm not really worried about, like, outside of, like, brain stuff, like, physical stuff, I'm not really worried about because by the time I get there, they're going to have an answer.
01:30:18.000So I think, like, when you do that, your brain gets dehydrated as well.
01:30:22.000So there's, like, a little, like, membrane or fluid barrier between your skull and your brain to keep, you know, cushion your brain.
01:30:30.000I think when you wear that down, your brain is crashing into your skull.
01:30:35.000That's how guys, you know, get dazed and wobbled and, you know, kind of lose their durability.
01:30:41.000Yeah, I don't know about the technical aspects of that, but I do know for a fact that when guys dehydrate themselves heavily, they lose their ability to take a shot for some reason.
01:31:26.000They can mask some steroid use with IVs.
01:31:28.000I'm not exactly sure how that works, but I think it's just some stuff shows up in your urine, and if you could just get a bunch of fluids into your system, like so much so that it flushes it all out, that you can't find the trace of what it is.
01:33:35.000I've never even looked into it, but I do know that...
01:33:37.000From, they do this carbon, I think it's carbon isotope testing.
01:33:42.000They can find out whether or not the testosterone that's in your body has come from exogenous sources, like wild yams.
01:33:50.000But one of the things Nowitzki was saying was that they don't, because these guys, like USADA guys, they always have to think like multiple steps ahead.
01:33:59.000Because people are like, when Barry Bonds and, you know, Victor Conte had that clear shit.
01:34:07.000So he's thinking, what Nowitzki said is like, theoretically at least, they should be able to extract testosterone from animals.
01:34:16.000And if they extracted testosterone from animals and injected it into people, you might not be able to detect whether or not that came from an animal or whether or not it came from the human being themselves.
01:34:27.000So it might look like natural levels of testosterone.
01:34:30.000So you can get testosterone from a fucking silverback.
01:35:30.000Okay, steroid chemists are often referred to the 1930s as a decade of sex hormones when molecular structures of certain sex hormones were determined and first introduced to medical practice as drugs.
01:35:41.000Russell Marker achieved the first practical synthesis of the pregnancy hormone progesterone by what now is known as the Marker degradation, produced from Starting material in a species of Mexican yam.
01:35:57.000Marker's progesterone eventually became the preferred precursor in the industrial preparation of the anti-inflammatory drug cortisone.
01:36:05.000Important research on sex hormones continues in Mexico, leading to the synthesis of the first useful oral contraceptive in 1951. Ah, interesting.
01:36:15.000Ah, so I can take a pill and kill my sperm?
01:36:20.000But this does have something to do with testosterone, doesn't it?
01:36:23.000Yeah, there's a chemical compound in it called this.
01:36:40.000If you think about all the plants that they don't know about that are in the Amazon, like, pretty wild.
01:36:45.000So wild yam is also often promoted as a natural alternative to estrogen therapy.
01:36:51.000So we see it used for estrogen replacement therapy, vaginal dryness, hey, in older women, PMS, menstrual cramps, weak bones, osteoporosis, increasing energy and sexual drive in men and women.
01:37:27.000There's two prevailing theories, right?
01:37:30.000The prevailing theory, number one, that's told by the shaman is that the plants told them what to add up.
01:37:38.000Like, when they say the plants, they're not sure if they're saying mushrooms, because, you know, psilocybin mushroom use is also, like, there's apparently not a great history of psilocybin use in the Amazon, but when Terrence McKenna went down there with his brother, They found psilocybin mushrooms everywhere, and they took so much of them that his brother was fucked for like two weeks.
01:38:01.000And these guys are like legitimate scientists.
01:38:03.000And his brother took so much that he basically evaporated for like two weeks.
01:38:09.000And it took two weeks for him to come back to the point where he could...
01:40:14.000It's still Eric, but it's Eric in another universe.
01:40:18.000I've done that twice, and the second time I think it was the NN, because I was still rolling around on the ground and slobbering and stuff, but I was still present.
01:40:34.000Yeah, so I was like, I hit it, laid back, and there was a ceiling fan, and I just watched the ceiling fan, like, woo, woo, woo, and then it stopped, and then it started doing all the...
01:40:47.000I was like, oh fuck, here we go, dude.
01:41:53.000He does everything with, like, a 45-pound vest.
01:41:56.000He runs miles with a 45-pound vest on.
01:41:58.000Like, he does a lot of wild cardio shit.
01:42:00.000I met him when I was training at Factory X one time, and he started telling me all these stories about him being, like, a dick, and I was like, you?
01:42:09.000I would think that you were like fucking Amish or, you know.
01:43:57.000I didn't see any announcement on what happened, but they just moved it to the next pay-per-view or the Long Island card at the end of the month.
01:44:03.000I think Sean O'Malley is going to be hard to beat.
01:46:26.000Michael Bisping, when he was preparing for Luke Rockhold, was sparring with him because he was literally the size of Luke Rockhold, which is crazy.
01:46:42.000If you have an 85 and a 95, it's just going to be the 205 where it's cutting to 95. Right, but maybe the people that can barely get to 205 won't do that.
01:47:01.000He's so big for 205. The really big guys at 205, they're not going to do that.
01:47:07.000But I think, like, boxing, for example, has so many weight classes because it's the wrestlers that kind of, like, inspire the weight cutting thing.
01:47:29.000Like, a weight class every 7 pounds or 5 pounds or whatever it is.
01:47:33.000That's one of the crazy things about Canelo.
01:47:36.000Canelo's willing to go all the way up to light heavyweight.
01:47:38.000When he fought Floyd, I think they fought at 152. Here he is fighting Bival at 75, which is crazy.
01:47:49.000For me, I always feel more comfortable fighting at 85 because I know I put in more work and preparation.
01:47:57.000Even when you have to watch what you're eating, when you eat it, It takes a lot of discipline.
01:48:03.000At 2.05, if I leave the gym, if I go grab a burger, I can go grab a burger.
01:48:08.000So I can't do that when I fight at 85. So when I fight at 85, I know that I've crossed all the I's or crossed all the T's and dotted all the I's and did everything.
01:48:17.000If I fight at 2.05, I'm like, well, let's see how it goes, guys.
01:48:29.000So you feel that even, so it's not just that at 85, you're really big for the weight class, but it's also just the fact that you mentally, you know that you've put in that work to get down.
01:48:39.000Yeah, I know my cardio is going to be on point.
01:48:41.000I know, like, I've put in, I've done everything that I can, including, like, the diet.
01:48:47.000And, you know, it's just something about knowing that you've done everything, everything, everything, everything.
01:49:11.000If you, like, if there was no weight cutting as far as dehydration, what do you think is, like, the lowest comfortable weight that you could get down to?
01:49:21.000Will you be shredded but be able to fight?
01:49:27.000So if I just ate well, I wouldn't be 230. But I want to enjoy my life.
01:49:34.000But if you're lean and healthy, it would be 200. Yeah, I would probably have to work a little bit to get to 200, but it wouldn't be that hard.
01:49:43.000Do you think it's possible to ever get to a point where there is no weight cutting?
01:49:46.000Do you think that that would ever happen?
01:50:42.000One FC is fascinating to me because they do Muay Thai fights, they have grappling matches, and when it comes to just straight MMA, they allow a lot of shit, like knees on the ground, knees to the head on the ground.
01:51:54.000Yeah, I've won a fight and actually got a bonus off a soccer kicking somebody and got disqualified for kneeing somebody on the side of the head.
01:52:47.000That's a perfect example because in that position the UFC That's like not as dangerous a position you can kind of hold on but if a guy can do that I mean that is what that's martial arts.
01:52:58.000That's if you can drop an elbow on someone's head Why can't you do that?
01:53:01.000I feel like you should be able to do that especially in this position particularly because you're not even trapped against the cage That guy's there in that spot.
01:54:51.000The soccer kick on the ground is just, that's so ruthless.
01:54:54.000I think it just doesn't look appealing for on TV. Like, you know, you want soccer moms and kids to watch, so maybe a dude getting drilled in his shit is...
01:55:04.000At this point, I think we have enough people watching.
01:57:38.000But watch when he gets the right forearm on the side of the neck, and then he clamps his arms together, and it's basically, like, it's a spinal lock.
01:59:55.000I think I might have grown a little bit.
01:59:57.000Well, that's what is exciting about stem cells with discs, is that they can regrow that disc tissue, which is the only time I've ever heard of anyone being able to do that.
02:00:07.000Because generally speaking, when you get degenerative discs, which is, I have that.
02:00:11.000I have a bunch of discs that are smaller.
02:00:33.000And I was like, and they were like, I mean, because I was staying at a hotel, and they're like, you can go home, but I wouldn't recommend that you do because that shit's going to hurt when that, you know, whatever the medication wears off.
02:00:49.000And I was like, dude, this shit doesn't hurt, you know, maybe I just...
02:01:13.000And the next day, though, it was like zero pain, you know, nothing.
02:01:17.000So how long did it take before you could start training again?
02:01:19.000They told me six weeks because when you get the stem cells, if you keep doing stuff that inflames you, the stem cells are going to attack that instead of the current issue.
02:01:32.000So they just chill for six weeks, let the stem cells do their thing, and then you go back to training progressively.
02:01:40.000Is it hard for you to do that though, to just chill?
02:02:31.000Maybe the issue is how long it takes to get FDA approval.
02:02:36.000I mean, really, all it would take is someone of high profile, like some president or something like that, that went and got it done and was singing the virtues of it and said, hey, let's fucking fast track this shit.
02:02:47.000Kobe Bryant tore his Achilles, got that, came back.
02:02:52.000So the extent of how much it works on other stuff, I don't know, but clearly the shit works.
02:03:53.000So I got it, the stem cells in there, really just to reduce the inflammation and speed the shit up.
02:03:59.000I don't think that it'll regrow my meniscus or whatever, but I think as far as discs and stuff like that, it just fucking works wonders.
02:04:08.000One thing they are doing with meniscus is they're doing meniscus transplants.
02:04:12.000So they're taking like a cadaver's meniscus and they're replacing yours with a cadaver's.
02:04:17.000And apparently as long as you get that, like at your age you can still do that, but I think when you get older, like for older folks, I don't think it works.
02:04:25.000I think there's a certain amount of blood flow that has to exist in that area.
02:04:29.000That's another thing they were saying down there is, like, down here when we get the stem cells, we can, like, stress them out.
02:04:34.000Like, if we're going to put them in a low oxygen environment in your body or, like, less blood flow or whatever, we can, like, stress it out.
02:04:42.000And the ones that aren't going to live already die, and we can replace them.
02:04:46.000So you're getting, like, the exact number as close to as you can with the injections.
02:04:52.000Because sometimes, oh, this is 100 million, but, you know.
02:07:28.000Yeah, but what if that's not what happens when you die?
02:07:31.000You know, DMT might just be some very unusual burst of these chemicals that you can get and introduce into your body, but that's not really what happens when you die.
02:07:50.000Do you have any regrets that you didn't start fighting like when you were young?
02:07:55.000It's funny because I started playing football before all that concussion shit came out.
02:08:00.000But all you heard about was boxers with head injuries or head trauma, CTE and shit, before it was called CTE. So I always favored individual sports over team sports.
02:14:42.000The football hits and tackles and stuff make it move faster.
02:14:47.000So you're feeling it at 40, 50 instead of 70 or 80. Right.
02:14:54.000When you go back and if you think about your times playing football, your great times versus your great wins in fighting, what is more satisfying to you?
02:15:06.000There's no drug, there's no anything that you could do to replicate the emotions and feelings after knocking a motherfucker out.
02:15:17.000And I'm not talking about getting on top and hitting him until the ref pulls you off.
02:15:21.000One punch, boom, he's jello on the ground.
02:16:00.000Other side of the coin, there's no fucking lower feeling than getting your ass whooped in front of not only the crowd, but the people on TV. But I'll take it, dude.
02:16:16.000That versus the high you get after a knockout or a win any day.
02:16:22.000Do you remember the feeling of your first loss where you're like, oh geez, this is different?
02:16:29.000Yeah, because my first loss was to Machida and I feel like I beat Machida.
02:16:34.000I just so happened to fight him in Brazil.
02:16:37.000And I think that he thinks that he lost, because, you know, before they read the scorecards, his head's all low, and he's, you know, kind of pouting, and he's like, oh, winner by split decision, Machida, and all of a sudden, he's like, wow.
02:16:50.000But that was not a loss, like a, you know, that was not like Tiago Santos' loss, it wasn't, you know?
02:18:04.000Because, I mean, all the preparation, all the training...
02:18:07.000Dude, there's some fights, like, when I made my debut, I had zero nerves, and as soon as my feet touched the canvas and I felt like how grippy it is, I was like, dude, he's dead.
02:18:18.000I know he's gonna, I know I'm finna win.
02:18:20.000But that roundtree fight in particular, I remember walking to the cage like, and then me someone puts a banana peel out here, and I fucking slip.
02:18:39.000I don't know, and I was really confident going into that fight, because I didn't think that he could wrestle.
02:18:43.000I was watching film, I was like, dude, he's never, like, just flat, like, he's dropped a lot of people, but that's, he just dropped them, like, he never, like, knocked them unconscious.
02:18:52.000I was like, alright, even if I do eat one, I'll fucking still be alive and be able to fight and shit.
02:18:57.000But, I don't know, dude, I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed, and I was like, fuck.
02:19:01.000That's what you were talking about earlier when you're talking about Khabib and Usman and these guys that like every single time they're mentally there.
02:20:25.000I don't care about like the lost column as much as I do because like I invest you know I don't buy stupid shit with my money so it's not like oh I was gonna blow it anyways dude how many houses could I have bought with you know my win bonus how much more money I invested and like mid-states and oil and gas companies and stuff like that yeah so I'm like kind of fucks me up It's so hard because so many fights are so goddamn close.
02:23:28.000I think, what do you think the mechanism is to, you know how some dudes get knocked out, they go stiff, like fucking, you know, locked out like roadkill, or like when they go like rubber chicken.
02:23:42.000Why do you think the two different things happen?
02:25:44.000I'm not worried about getting knocked out in training or getting hurt in training and then showing up to a fight with a compromised chin or getting knocked out in practice and then still showing up to the fight.
02:25:56.000Dude, you should probably just pull out and be okay.
02:26:22.000I think it's crazy how someone can go their whole career and be like, fuck, he's durable, it's fucking chin, and then the next day, a stiff breeze.
02:26:30.000Like, dude, what the fuck was that, dude?
02:27:03.000He got knocked out by Chuck, you know, and then came back and beat Tim Sylvia, knocked down Tim Sylvia in the first round.
02:27:11.000It's just some people are more durable for whatever reason genetically, and then some people it's like the amount of sparring they took in training.
02:27:20.000Chuck is one of the best examples of it because when Chuck was young, he was known for having like a granite chin.
02:27:27.000You could just crack him and he would just fire back at you and he knocked a lot of people out just because he could take a shot so well.
02:27:33.000And then one day, it just stopped working.
02:27:37.000Yeah, and then the knockouts came, you know, like Rampage KO'd him and then other people were KO'ing him and then it just got to a point where it's just like one good punch and you would just go out.
02:27:50.000I feel like your chin is like a pitcher's arm.
02:27:52.000That motherfucker can only take so much.
02:27:54.000You've got a limited number of pitches or shots that you can take before that motherfucker just ain't.
02:28:01.000The way Chuck explained it to me, it's like your brain is protecting you.
02:28:04.000It's like your brain knows you're so tough, and it's like, hey, we've got to protect this guy.