The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #13 with Rose Namajunas & Pat Barry

00:00:00.000 *Sigh* And we're live!

00:00:11.000 What's up?

00:00:12.000 Oh, nothing.

00:00:13.000 Thanks for doing this.

00:00:14.000 Appreciate it.

00:00:14.000 Yeah, thanks for having me.

00:00:15.000 I like how you're dressed.

00:00:16.000 Very casual.

00:00:18.000 Yeah, it's all about comfort these days.

00:00:20.000 Like, monk-like?

00:00:22.000 There's a lot of monk-like to what you got.

00:00:24.000 The shaved head and the wooden beads and the whole deal.

00:00:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:28.000 I mean, I kind of decided that, ever since cutting my hair, that, I don't know, I'm just going to do away with not being comfortable in any area.

00:00:39.000 So, heels, you're going to have to pay me to do that. 1.00

00:00:43.000 Really?

00:00:43.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:00:44.000 It's just...

00:00:46.000 I'm not a big fan of heels because I can't run away in them.

00:00:49.000 That's a good point.

00:00:49.000 I think that's why they made them.

00:00:51.000 Yeah.

00:00:51.000 I mean, it only makes sense.

00:00:52.000 Like, girls wearing tight skirts where your legs are constricted, right? 1.00

00:00:56.000 Yeah.

00:00:56.000 Or tight dresses that go down to your knees especially.

00:00:58.000 Yeah.

00:00:59.000 That's like a thing where girls can barely walk. 1.00

00:01:01.000 You have heels.

00:01:03.000 Your toes are down.

00:01:04.000 It's like the opposite of being strong.

00:01:05.000 It's like you're very vulnerable, right?

00:01:07.000 Right.

00:01:07.000 Very vulnerable, yeah.

00:01:09.000 I don't know if it's just because of the way I grew up, but I was always looking over my shoulder.

00:01:14.000 Anytime I was walking down the wrong alley, I was always ready to scope out the area and just run and be able to run.

00:01:23.000 I think everybody's like that though, right?

00:01:25.000 I mean, especially girls.

00:01:26.000 You should be.

00:01:27.000 Yeah.

00:01:28.000 I mean, just me in particular, just because I was the only girl that looked like myself.

00:01:32.000 I was the smallest all the time or youngest or like the only white girl on my block.

00:01:36.000 So it was always like I stood out.

00:01:39.000 And so, yeah, I like to I like to be safe.

00:01:44.000 That smart?

00:01:45.000 Yeah.

00:01:45.000 Or be able to like, you know, throw a kick in these pants.

00:01:48.000 Yeah, those, what are those like sweatpants or something?

00:01:50.000 What do you got on?

00:01:51.000 These are called harem pants. 0.99

00:01:53.000 Harem pants? 0.69

00:01:54.000 Yeah.

00:01:54.000 Let me see, get up there with that.

00:01:56.000 Oh, they're crazy.

00:01:57.000 They're like, they got cool designs on them.

00:01:59.000 What are those designs?

00:02:01.000 I don't really know.

00:02:03.000 But they're super comfy.

00:02:05.000 And I got, they came off this website called harempants.com or something like that.

00:02:09.000 And what are the wooden beads about?

00:02:14.000 I got it from a friend, Cassie Robb, who's also a fighter. 0.98

00:02:17.000 She's my teammate back at home.

00:02:19.000 She gave it to me leading up to the fight with Ioana just for some strength and courage.

00:02:25.000 I think this is supposed to give you some type of confidence or whatever.

00:02:31.000 Yeah.

00:02:31.000 It's just like an energy beat.

00:02:33.000 I don't know if it really...

00:02:34.000 I mean, I guess it works, but...

00:02:35.000 If you believe it works, it works.

00:02:37.000 Exactly.

00:02:37.000 That's one of those things.

00:02:38.000 That's kind of how I always feel about everything.

00:02:39.000 It's like a placebo effect, right?

00:02:41.000 Yeah.

00:02:41.000 I gotta tell you that your victory speech after you beat Ioana was my all-time favorite.

00:02:47.000 Because it wasn't even just about you or about the fight.

00:02:51.000 It wasn't about anything.

00:02:53.000 It was just you expressing yourself.

00:02:56.000 Pat, what are you doing over there?

00:02:57.000 You alright?

00:02:57.000 I'm checking out this little tassel.

00:03:01.000 Yeah, no.

00:03:02.000 I just think that...

00:03:05.000 It was an awesome victory speech.

00:03:08.000 It was really amazing.

00:03:09.000 You were just spilling your heart out.

00:03:14.000 It was in your moment to shine.

00:03:17.000 In your moment to shine, you didn't make it about you.

00:03:20.000 I think I fight better that way.

00:03:24.000 It's always about me throughout the training camp.

00:03:27.000 My coaches and teammates are always helping me.

00:03:31.000 It gets to be a bit much sometimes.

00:03:33.000 I want to help other people.

00:03:35.000 It fills my spiritual cup more.

00:03:39.000 Your spiritual cup?

00:03:40.000 Yeah.

00:03:41.000 I think that I've...

00:03:44.000 You know, if your hand's closed to give, you know, you can't be open to receive kind of thing.

00:03:49.000 And I think that the more that I can give to people, the more that I can get myself, you know.

00:03:55.000 And I think that, you know, just like plants and animals, the way, you know, if you look at nature, everything is a symbiotic relationship.

00:04:01.000 And I think that humans can be the same way.

00:04:04.000 That's an interesting way of looking at things.

00:04:05.000 Have you always looked at things like that?

00:04:07.000 No.

00:04:09.000 I shouldn't say not always, but I always was a person that wanted to be outside, wanted to be in nature.

00:04:17.000 I grew up in an urban jungle in Milwaukee and just concrete everywhere.

00:04:21.000 No place to go outside except for just playing in the alleys and stuff.

00:04:28.000 My lineage is from Lithuania where they're like... 1.00

00:04:33.000 Very in tune with nature, and they're pagans and, like, slash Christian. 1.00

00:04:37.000 And so they really, you know, just my whole family, you know, they come from living off the land and stuff like that. 0.99

00:04:43.000 And so that's always been something I wanted to do.

00:04:46.000 I was just put in this situation, you know, just to, you know, try and do martial arts and trying to, like, you know, I guess control my emotions and stuff, just living in this, you know, chaotic environment that I grew up in.

00:05:01.000 And...

00:05:02.000 Nature is where I felt the most peace at.

00:05:04.000 So that's always something that I connected with.

00:05:07.000 And then the more that I kind of focus on nature and animals and stuff like that, I noticed that, you know, there's a, I don't know, I try to live my life the same way.

00:05:19.000 Well, it's just interesting leading up to that fight, too, that you are kind of like the antidote to a lot of the things that people are getting annoyed at in MMA. All the trash talking and all the negativity and all the fighting at press conferences.

00:05:31.000 You just shut all that shit down with Ioana. 0.99

00:05:35.000 I mean, there needs to be balance. 0.99

00:05:37.000 I like entertainment.

00:05:40.000 I should talk sometimes, too.

00:05:43.000 But there just has to be a balance.

00:05:46.000 It has to be honest, too.

00:05:47.000 If you really feel this way about somebody, if you're really upset with this person, yeah, say how you feel.

00:05:52.000 But don't just go out of your way just to be entertaining because you think it's going to be funny or something.

00:05:57.000 Or you think it's just going to be, like, it's not genuine.

00:06:01.000 Right.

00:06:02.000 But it was just the way you handled yourself. 1.00

00:06:04.000 Because her whole thing is talking shit. 1.00

00:06:07.000 Her whole thing is scaring people. 1.00

00:06:08.000 I'm the boogie woman coming to get you.

00:06:10.000 You know, all that stuff.

00:06:11.000 And you were just dead-faced. 0.99

00:06:13.000 And I think that fucked her head up. 0.99

00:06:15.000 I really do. 0.97

00:06:16.000 You ever see that video of like the...

00:06:18.000 What was that video with the...

00:06:19.000 How to Humble a Bully?

00:06:19.000 Well, not that one.

00:06:21.000 The one you just showed me earlier was like, is this dude like standing in front of an elephant?

00:06:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:25.000 And he like started charging at him.

00:06:27.000 And then he was like, calm, you know?

00:06:29.000 And he just stood there.

00:06:30.000 That guy got lucky.

00:06:30.000 Yeah.

00:06:31.000 That guy got lucky.

00:06:32.000 Very lucky.

00:06:32.000 He got lucky that elephant really didn't want to trample him.

00:06:35.000 Yeah, we just watched that elephant is coming through in his light.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

00:06:39.000 The guy just stands there in one spot and it stops.

00:06:41.000 That guy got lucky.

00:06:42.000 But yeah, I think that's just...

00:06:43.000 Don't try that at home, dude.

00:06:44.000 Yeah, no.

00:06:45.000 Yeah, not advertising that at all.

00:06:47.000 That's a different thing, obviously, because you're talking about an animal.

00:06:49.000 Right, right.

00:06:50.000 But I think it's a good analogy to draw from Ioana's energy.

00:06:55.000 She was very chaotic and very in my face and very threatening.

00:07:00.000 Intimidating.

00:07:00.000 Yeah, and don't go out of your way to stand in front of an elephant that's running at you.

00:07:05.000 Don't put yourself in that position.

00:07:06.000 But I had to be there.

00:07:08.000 That's my job.

00:07:09.000 So when you're in those situations where you don't know what to do, you just stay calm.

00:07:15.000 Yeah, well, you didn't just stay calm.

00:07:17.000 You stayed eerily calm.

00:07:19.000 And you were, like, reciting the Lord's Prayer.

00:07:21.000 When I asked you that, I was like, whoa.

00:07:23.000 I was like, what are you saying over there?

00:07:24.000 And you're like, I'm reciting the Lord's Prayer.

00:07:26.000 I'm like, whoa.

00:07:28.000 Yeah.

00:07:28.000 Honestly, because, like, the whole training camp was just crazy.

00:07:32.000 But, like, that week in particular, like, I was convinced that this might be my last fight.

00:07:37.000 This might be my last day on earth.

00:07:39.000 Like, I was so just, like, ready for anything at that point.

00:07:43.000 Why were you thinking that it might be your last fight?

00:07:45.000 I don't know if I'm crazy.

00:07:47.000 I don't know.

00:07:48.000 I started to think that almost every fight is tough.

00:07:59.000 But it's the best thing in the world.

00:08:00.000 Especially all of the...

00:08:04.000 All of the stressors that came along with this fight in particular.

00:08:08.000 Right.

00:08:08.000 Especially all of those.

00:08:10.000 Extra press.

00:08:11.000 And then we've had, in that fight, we had a few, I don't want to say magical moments, but say for instance, we bring Mishka with us everywhere we go.

00:08:22.000 Your dog.

00:08:23.000 Yeah.

00:08:23.000 Our flight was delayed three hours, four hours.

00:08:26.000 And when we landed, we landed like a few hours after that truck drove through the park and killed all the people in New York, which was right by our hotel, which if we would have been there on time, we would have signed the posters and then been outside at a park walking Meshia.

00:08:41.000 So, I mean, just little things like that.

00:08:43.000 Like we would have been outside maybe at that spot and had been witness to that thing.

00:08:49.000 Or at least would have heard it or something.

00:08:50.000 And that would have affected me, you know.

00:08:52.000 And the Antifa March.

00:08:55.000 Yeah, and there is just all this stuff about, you know, like, people are going to be protesting and stuff like that, and they even, like, the day of the fight, and I just get a lot of anxiety over that stuff.

00:09:03.000 I get anxiety over, like, big crowds of people, and it's, like, you know, just feel like crazy.

00:09:08.000 Yeah.

00:09:08.000 You know, and it's...

00:09:11.000 Yeah, I wasn't even just thinking about the fight with Ioana.

00:09:15.000 It was more than that.

00:09:16.000 It was what all her energy represented to me, all my past.

00:09:21.000 Just negative people that want to strike fear into your heart.

00:09:28.000 I wasn't going to let that happen, even though I was scared.

00:09:32.000 I wasn't going to stop doing what I was doing just because of that.

00:09:35.000 But you were eerily focused.

00:09:37.000 One time she stuck her fist in your face and touched your face. 0.99

00:09:40.000 You didn't even move.

00:09:41.000 Yeah, because I know she needed a reaction from me.

00:09:44.000 It's just like with anybody.

00:09:47.000 If you don't give energy to something negative, you don't feed the fire. 0.98

00:09:52.000 Yeah, that's gotta be a mindfuck for her though, right? 1.00

00:09:54.000 Right. 0.98

00:09:54.000 Because she's so used to people reacting to her and headbutting, you know, going head-to-head with her and trying to show her. 0.98

00:10:00.000 And you just stayed calm.

00:10:03.000 Yeah.

00:10:03.000 Because, I mean, you know, it's...

00:10:08.000 Either you really...

00:10:09.000 I mean, it's either one of two things.

00:10:11.000 Either you really dislike me enough to, like, you know, put your hands on me outside of the competition, or it's fake, you know, or it's a character, or you're just doing this for show.

00:10:21.000 You know, it's either one of the two, and I just don't think she's really a bad person.

00:10:24.000 I just think that, you know, she's put in this position, and maybe she, you know, that's what she felt like she had to do.

00:10:29.000 Well, I wrote something about the Volkan Ozdemir-Daniel Cormier fight the other day that what...

00:10:34.000 What Ozdemir was trying to do and what Cormier was trying to do is they're trying to sow seeds of doubt.

00:10:40.000 There's a real issue with someone that's about to fight where you're about to compete and it's this crazy nerve-wracking thing and the unknown is always there.

00:10:49.000 You don't know what's going to happen. 0.99

00:10:50.000 So if someone can convince you, I'm going to fuck you up, you're like, God damn, is he going to fuck me up? 1.00

00:10:54.000 You really start thinking it if it's in your head. 0.99

00:10:57.000 And one of the things that Daniel said in that fight was that there's levels to this thing. 1.00

00:11:02.000 You think you're going to come in and fuck me up? 0.99

00:11:04.000 There's levels to this. 1.00

00:11:05.000 You haven't experienced this yet.

00:11:09.000 Right.

00:11:09.000 And that's just something that, you know, I have a lot of respect for Juana still, you know.

00:11:15.000 And I think it's great that I was put in this position to face her because I had to get better.

00:11:20.000 Like, I had to get up to that level, you know, to face her.

00:11:23.000 And I had to do a lot of research and work on my, you know, mental stability.

00:11:28.000 I mean, she kept saying I was mentally unstable, like, in those, you know, phone calls and stuff, like the conference calls beforehand.

00:11:34.000 And I was like, at first I was kind of...

00:11:35.000 Why was she saying you were mentally unstable?

00:11:36.000 What was the...

00:11:37.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:11:37.000 Because Rose is mentally unstable. 0.99

00:11:39.000 Yeah.

00:11:40.000 Well, my dad is...

00:11:41.000 She was correct.

00:11:42.000 Like, in what way?

00:11:44.000 I mean...

00:11:46.000 Well, I don't know.

00:11:47.000 To me, I can't speak for myself, but like...

00:11:50.000 Pat, you want to speak for her?

00:11:51.000 I can speak for her.

00:11:52.000 Please do.

00:11:52.000 I mean, I'm sure you can come up with all kinds of stuff, but...

00:11:55.000 It's like everyone getting ready for a fight. 0.96

00:11:59.000 There are some people who can be excited about the fight the entire time and they don't give a shit about anything and they just love it. 0.93

00:12:06.000 And then there's also the ones who get ready for a fight and while getting ready for the fight, it's nerve-wracking. 0.77

00:12:12.000 And especially with all of the...

00:12:13.000 Boogie woman and all the you're mentally unstable and then in the history with her dad and her history growing up and just all of those things coming to a head. 0.90

00:12:22.000 This was exactly what Rose wanted it to be.

00:12:24.000 The scariest possible situation for her to be in.

00:12:27.000 In New York with the Antifa march that happened in front of the hotel the morning of...

00:12:32.000 We almost didn't make it to the fight.

00:12:35.000 What was going on?

00:12:37.000 This was the anti-Donald Trump march?

00:12:39.000 Something, yeah.

00:12:40.000 And it sounded way bigger than it was.

00:12:43.000 That was when we had a walk, right?

00:12:45.000 We had a walk to the arena?

00:12:46.000 No, that was the year before.

00:12:48.000 It happened the morning of the fight right through the front of the hotel, which that's fine, but Rose had seen some weeks in advance, someone somewhere posted that Antifa was going to strike on November 4th.

00:13:05.000 Yeah, they were planning on taking over the whole country.

00:13:07.000 They were planning on a strike on November.

00:13:09.000 It ended up being nothing.

00:13:10.000 Like, seriously, I was like, we were getting ready.

00:13:13.000 Like, we had done our morning shakeout, you know.

00:13:15.000 What's the morning shakeout?

00:13:16.000 So, like, the day of the fight, we always like to, like, first thing we do when we get up is just shake it out.

00:13:24.000 Because all your nerves and stuff, all your nervous energy is inside of you the day of the fight, and you don't want to go to the arena the first time breaking a sweat or getting that heavy breathing.

00:13:35.000 A workout before going to the arena?

00:13:37.000 Yeah, basically.

00:13:38.000 So what kind of workout do you do?

00:13:39.000 Just light mitt work?

00:13:41.000 Uh, actually, we blow it out hard.

00:13:44.000 Like, we just get it out.

00:13:45.000 You know, like, you know when you first start running or something, or you do a workout, and you're just, like, breathing heavy?

00:13:49.000 Like, you get your first, like, heavy wind out?

00:13:51.000 Yeah.

00:13:52.000 That's, like, you just blow right through it.

00:13:54.000 So what kind of stuff do you do?

00:13:56.000 Just say pads.

00:13:57.000 Like, intense, you know, just whatever.

00:13:59.000 Actually, it is, like, you go off of a feel.

00:14:01.000 You know, whatever you're feeling.

00:14:02.000 Like, some days, when I fought Tisha, I was... 0.99

00:14:07.000 I'm kind of sick on antibiotics because I got the red tide or something.

00:14:11.000 And I barely slept.

00:14:13.000 So our shakeout was not very long.

00:14:16.000 It was like, okay, I've got to save my energy to get to the arena.

00:14:19.000 So we barely even did one.

00:14:20.000 But for this one...

00:14:23.000 The shakeout was pretty normal.

00:14:25.000 We just hit pads.

00:14:27.000 Hit pads for about seven minutes and then she shadowboxed real hard for like five minutes.

00:14:33.000 Maybe we might do a little bit of grappling or something like that.

00:14:37.000 And then we go take a nap, get in a shower, kind of visualize and just lay down.

00:14:43.000 Not even take a nap, but just close your eyes.

00:14:45.000 Do you always eat the same thing on the day of a fight?

00:14:49.000 I barely even eat on a fight day.

00:14:51.000 The way I cut weight is I'll do the day before.

00:14:55.000 I mean, I don't really have to cut that much weight, but I'll do a juice fast.

00:15:01.000 For one day, I'll just drink fluids, and then the next day I'll sit in a hot shower and just sweat it out.

00:15:07.000 Because I don't like to dehydrate myself too much.

00:15:12.000 I'd rather have fluids and no food than lots of food in my stomach and no fluids.

00:15:16.000 And she's talking about sweating out two pounds. 0.93

00:15:18.000 No, like five pounds.

00:15:19.000 Last time...

00:15:20.000 I'm getting bigger now.

00:15:23.000 This fight was...

00:15:25.000 I think I was like 125, 130. I can't remember.

00:15:29.000 I think the week of the fight, I was like 127, and by the time weight cuts started, I was like 125-ish.

00:15:35.000 So you're cutting 10 pounds?

00:15:36.000 Or 120. She was 119 when we started the weight cuts. 0.97

00:15:41.000 Rose walks around.

00:15:42.000 Lately, because of the growth in size, lately she's been walking around 125, 127. But every fight, like the day before weigh-in, she's Yeah, by fight week, I'm like 120. Yeah.

00:15:57.000 Talking about going to saunas and like, man, what are we going to do to get this one-off?

00:16:01.000 It's like, man, go spit.

00:16:03.000 So you don't have a particular type of food that you like to eat the day of?

00:16:09.000 Or a kind of food?

00:16:10.000 Like carbohydrate-rich?

00:16:12.000 It depends on where I'm at.

00:16:13.000 So like, you know, because every place has different food and like some places there's like nasty food, but...

00:16:19.000 In New York, there's this little smoothie shop across the street, and there's this most delicious smoothie.

00:16:25.000 I just had it all week.

00:16:27.000 A chocolate rose.

00:16:28.000 Yeah, it was a chocolate rose.

00:16:29.000 It was really good.

00:16:29.000 So I had that every day of the week.

00:16:31.000 And I think the day of the fight, I had a little bit of that.

00:16:34.000 But I don't know.

00:16:36.000 When Marty Morgan was his coach, he always used to say, you have enough food and energy in you to sustain you for the fight day.

00:16:44.000 It's more just mentally, if you want to eat something.

00:16:46.000 Right.

00:16:47.000 So ever since he ever said that, I was like, yeah, I never wanted to eat during fight day.

00:16:54.000 Nerves.

00:16:55.000 Yeah, you can't digest it.

00:16:56.000 You have to be relaxed.

00:16:57.000 What kind of diet do you follow normally?

00:17:00.000 I try and make everything homemade as possible.

00:17:03.000 So that's kind of my thing.

00:17:04.000 I'm never anti-anything.

00:17:06.000 I don't like to be like...

00:17:07.000 I mean, except for lots of sugar and obviously things that are obviously bad for you.

00:17:12.000 Yeah.

00:17:14.000 I like to make everything from scratch as much as possible.

00:17:18.000 So you cook?

00:17:19.000 Yeah.

00:17:20.000 The more process that something takes in order to make it from scratch, I think the less you should eat it.

00:17:29.000 Something like bread.

00:17:31.000 If you do it from scratch, make your own starter culture.

00:17:35.000 That takes a week by itself.

00:17:38.000 You have to add more flour and water to it over time.

00:17:41.000 It takes another two weeks.

00:17:43.000 So like, you shouldn't be eating bread every day, you know?

00:17:45.000 So it takes a lot of work.

00:17:46.000 But like say, you know, if you have like a garden, you got tomatoes, which, you know, we grew the last camp.

00:17:52.000 You know, you could just eat those real easy because you just pick it and eat it.

00:17:55.000 So you make your own bread too?

00:17:58.000 I tried once and it was alright.

00:18:00.000 But I had to work on it a little bit more.

00:18:02.000 But that's my goal.

00:18:03.000 To try and make everything from scratch.

00:18:05.000 That's interesting.

00:18:06.000 Make your own kombucha.

00:18:07.000 Oh yeah.

00:18:08.000 By the way, this is pretty good.

00:18:09.000 Normally I don't like...

00:18:11.000 I would use this brand to make my own.

00:18:14.000 GTs?

00:18:15.000 Yeah, I like to do the starter scoby or whatever.

00:18:18.000 Usually I don't like them, but this one's pretty good.

00:18:22.000 Yeah, GT's is my favorite.

00:18:23.000 You have to have a driver's license to purchase that.

00:18:26.000 You have to be over 21. Really?

00:18:28.000 Yeah, because it's got more than one half of 1% alcohol by volume, which is so stupid. 0.99

00:18:33.000 It's impossible to get drunk off of it. 0.97

00:18:35.000 I mean, it's just got a very marginal amount.

00:18:38.000 Because of the fermentation, there's a marginal amount of natural alcohol in it.

00:18:41.000 Yeah.

00:18:41.000 But that's the good ones.

00:18:43.000 There's other ones that you can buy in any store.

00:18:45.000 Those aren't watered down.

00:18:47.000 Yeah, they don't even have the...

00:18:48.000 Yeah.

00:18:49.000 I like making it myself, though, because I think it tastes a lot better.

00:18:53.000 I'll use green tea instead of black tea, and I'll add ginger and stuff like that to it.

00:18:58.000 Cool.

00:18:59.000 Yeah, I did that for a while.

00:19:00.000 I just get tired of it.

00:19:01.000 I know, yeah.

00:19:01.000 Having big bowls laying around.

00:19:05.000 Yeah, yeah, but it's fun.

00:19:07.000 It's fun to do but I was doing that in the 90s.

00:19:09.000 Yeah, wait way back.

00:19:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:11.000 Yeah, I got one from Andy Dick.

00:19:13.000 Yeah, Andy Dick gave me like he was making in his house.

00:19:16.000 He gave me some I was like, this is actually pretty good.

00:19:19.000 Yeah, yeah I don't know.

00:19:21.000 So, yeah, like, I mean, I try not to be too scientifical on stuff, but, you know, whatever, like, whatever feel good, like, whatever makes you feel good, I think, is what you should eat.

00:19:33.000 So you don't...

00:19:34.000 I don't like sweets or anything like that.

00:19:36.000 I don't really...

00:19:37.000 I grew up, you know, my mom was Lithuanian, like, my parents were actually, like, Lithuanian refugees that came...

00:19:43.000 I'm first-generation American, and we grew up, like, eating sauerkraut and potatoes and, you know, just real Eastern European type stuff.

00:19:51.000 I never really liked candy or anything like that.

00:19:55.000 It's been a lifestyle for me and never a thing that I'm on this diet that I have to do.

00:20:03.000 How did you get involved in martial arts?

00:20:07.000 My stepdad put me and my brother in taekwondo from a young age.

00:20:12.000 And then from there, you know, it was just such a positive thing for me just because it kept us out of trouble.

00:20:19.000 It taught me how to defend myself, gave me confidence, things like that.

00:20:23.000 And then we also watched a lot of Dragon Ball Z growing up, so we thought we were badasses or whatever, and we thought we could power up and stuff.

00:20:31.000 It was a fun thing for, like, as kids.

00:20:33.000 And then it kind of just evolved into more of, like, a, you know, real-life application.

00:20:38.000 And, you know, people used to make fun of us, like, you know, for doing that.

00:20:43.000 But we also used to get in, like, little fights in our neighborhoods and stuff.

00:20:47.000 And, um...

00:20:48.000 My love for martial arts grew from that, and then I just wanted to try every martial art.

00:20:52.000 It's like the flavors of ice cream.

00:20:57.000 You just want to try all of it.

00:20:58.000 So I tried karate after that, and that's where I got introduced to jiu-jitsu for the first time.

00:21:06.000 Real basic positional things, and then weapons and stuff.

00:21:13.000 Stick fighting.

00:21:14.000 Yeah, I did stick fighting for a while.

00:21:15.000 That was pretty fun. 0.99

00:21:17.000 You get the head cage on, you just whack each other and shit. 0.99

00:21:22.000 It's fun. 1.00

00:21:26.000 Pancreation.

00:21:27.000 And then after that, once I got into high school, I was doing a lot of sports and stuff, like cross-country, basketball, track, everything.

00:21:33.000 I just try to be as active as possible, try and stay busy.

00:21:36.000 Wrestling?

00:21:37.000 Yeah, I did one season of wrestling as a senior.

00:21:39.000 And then I did kickboxing, and I met Pat at Duke Roof's gym in Milwaukee.

00:21:46.000 And then that's kind of where I saw guys like him, Anthony Pettis, all those dudes doing his profession.

00:21:51.000 So I was like...

00:21:53.000 I mean, I could do it as a profession, too, you know?

00:21:55.000 Wow.

00:21:55.000 And how old were you at the time?

00:21:57.000 So, I first walked into Duke Gym, I think I was, like, 14. And then I left because I had, like, other obligations and, like, you know, stopped training for a while.

00:22:07.000 But I was, you know, still doing other sports and stuff.

00:22:09.000 And I came back, you know, when I was, like, 17. So, you were really thinking at that time, like, maybe this would be something you could do for a career.

00:22:18.000 You know, not for sure, but, like, definitely, like...

00:22:22.000 I saw...

00:22:22.000 I was always going to be involved in martial arts no matter what.

00:22:25.000 So, like, as a hobby.

00:22:27.000 Did you have another thing that you were thinking of doing before that, though?

00:22:29.000 Like, when you were thinking about your future...

00:22:32.000 Yeah, I mean, I knew that I had to do something for money, so, like, I tried a semester of college and realized, like, this is just, like, high school, but I'm paying for it. 0.99

00:22:41.000 Like, this is stupid. 0.82

00:22:41.000 So I stopped going. 0.82

00:22:43.000 I really liked English, and so I thought maybe I could go into that, or, like, except I tried to push me into computers, and I was like, this is stupid. 0.70

00:22:52.000 Like, I'm good at it, but it just really doesn't excite me at all. 0.94

00:22:56.000 And, um, so, you're like that tassel.

00:23:00.000 If she wasn't doing more shorts right now, should I not be touching this? 0.85

00:23:05.000 I don't know.

00:23:05.000 It was a problem.

00:23:07.000 You're just weird over there.

00:23:08.000 You're making a lot of motion.

00:23:09.000 I'm hanging this out, man.

00:23:10.000 I think Rose would have been farming. 1.00

00:23:12.000 Farming?

00:23:12.000 Yeah.

00:23:13.000 So, like, my...

00:23:14.000 Yeah, that's always been, like, my thing is, like, you know, when they ask us what we want to be when I grow up, I always said I want to be a farmer.

00:23:22.000 Really?

00:23:22.000 Ever since I was a kindergartner.

00:23:23.000 Just because you like the idea of growing things out of the ground and, like you were saying before, making your own food from scratch and...

00:23:29.000 Yeah, a tomato from your garden that you grew tastes so much better than from the store.

00:23:34.000 Now, when you two started hanging out, and Pat had already been an accomplished kickboxer, was an MMA fighter, and did that sort of embolden you to the idea?

00:23:43.000 Oh, to the fighting?

00:23:44.000 Like, professionally?

00:23:45.000 Yeah.

00:23:46.000 And then that's when I saw Gina Carano and Cyborg fighting at that big fight that they had.

00:23:54.000 And then that's kind of what inspired me to, like, I was like, oh, I can take this to the next level.

00:24:00.000 Wow, the Gina Carano thing, that got a lot of people into MMA, right? 1.00

00:24:04.000 She was the first.

00:24:06.000 A lot of people don't even know.

00:24:07.000 A lot of these kids today that know about Ronda Rousey and they got introduced into the sport.

00:24:12.000 Gina Carano was the original Ronda Rousey.

00:24:15.000 She was the one back in the day.

00:24:17.000 Yeah, I liked her a lot.

00:24:19.000 She definitely broke some barriers.

00:24:23.000 Obviously, Rhonda came after her and took it to even quadruple that. 1.00

00:24:29.000 It's awesome.

00:24:30.000 What does it feel like to be the champ now?

00:24:32.000 Because that's a crazy thing.

00:24:34.000 It's a crazy thing that happened.

00:24:36.000 The fight was insane.

00:24:38.000 And if people thought you were going to win, they probably thought you'd win by submission or maybe by decision.

00:24:43.000 But when you cracked her in the first round and dropped her and put her away, and then DC starts screaming, Thug Rose! 1.00

00:24:51.000 Thug Rose! 1.00

00:24:52.000 That's like one of my favorite times commentating with DC too because he just was overcome with emotion.

00:24:59.000 Just couldn't help it.

00:25:00.000 Yeah.

00:25:02.000 I don't know, man.

00:25:04.000 Somebody asked me, like, what's different since you've been champ?

00:25:07.000 And I'm like, really?

00:25:08.000 I'm just sitting here trying to figure out what's different.

00:25:10.000 Obviously, sitting here talking to you, that's cool.

00:25:13.000 I would have talked to you before.

00:25:14.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:25:15.000 It's kind of cool to talk to you now that this crazy thing happened.

00:25:19.000 Right, right.

00:25:21.000 So yeah, I mean, things are different.

00:25:23.000 I definitely notice more people recognizing me.

00:25:27.000 Well, you have a very unique look, too, with your shaved head.

00:25:30.000 Yeah, I can't hide.

00:25:31.000 Don't worry.

00:25:31.000 You don't have to wear wigs to go to the movies, right?

00:25:34.000 Right, right.

00:25:34.000 Yeah.

00:25:35.000 And you guys are going to fight again in April back in New York.

00:25:39.000 Yeah.

00:25:39.000 Yeah, that would be cool if the girls come to Brooklyn.

00:25:41.000 Doug Rose is coming to Brooklyn.

00:25:43.000 When the fight was over, did you take some time off?

00:25:47.000 Did it even sink in? 0.99

00:25:50.000 Oh yeah, we had to get the fuck out of there. 0.97

00:25:52.000 We had to go home. 0.90

00:25:54.000 All that stuff, the truck accident and the protests and all this paranoia that I had, I had to hide away.

00:26:02.000 I'm a hermit, so I like to be...

00:26:05.000 Bro, we went straight to the airport, 2.30.

00:26:08.000 2.30 in the morning?

00:26:09.000 Our flight wasn't until 9 a.m.

00:26:10.000 Yeah, we just had to the airport.

00:26:12.000 Because we heard there was going to be a marathon, right?

00:26:14.000 Yeah, the next day.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, we heard there was going to be a marathon, but also Rose did what she did. 1.00

00:26:18.000 And as soon as it happened, we all went, oh, fuck. 0.99

00:26:20.000 I feel like I robbed a bank. 1.00

00:26:21.000 I was like, oh, gotta go home.

00:26:25.000 Everybody be cool.

00:26:26.000 Just keep smiling.

00:26:28.000 I mean, obviously I knew that was going to happen.

00:26:31.000 I actually envisioned me knocking her out with an uppercut in the third round because I thought she was going to be overly aggressive at a certain point and she would get frustrated. 1.00

00:26:43.000 That didn't happen because she thought I was throwing a jab. 0.99

00:26:47.000 But yeah.

00:26:49.000 Why do you think that, I mean, when you went into that fight, she was such an overwhelming favorite.

00:26:54.000 She was thought of as being one of the pound-for-pound top fighters in any weight class. 0.99

00:26:59.000 And why did you think you were going to knock her out?

00:27:02.000 Because everybody tries to take her down. 0.72

00:27:04.000 Everybody's so desperate for the takedown that it's like, her striking. 0.93

00:27:08.000 I mean, just from what I see, I mean, I stood across from Valentina Shechenko and we go back and forth.

00:27:15.000 It's not a thing to me.

00:27:16.000 I got Pat H.G. Berry in my corner.

00:27:18.000 I got Trevor Whitman in my corner.

00:27:20.000 And I've done taekwondo striking my whole life.

00:27:23.000 It's not something that I've never seen before.

00:27:26.000 And just that Dutch style of kickboxing, it's great.

00:27:29.000 It's hard.

00:27:30.000 It's very intimidating to stand across from, but you know it's very rhythmic on the beat.

00:27:37.000 I don't know.

00:27:39.000 It's just something that it looks scary, but it's not to be scared of.

00:27:44.000 That's interesting the way you're putting it, because most people thought of her as being like this very solid, her fundamentals are rock solid, she's incredibly technical, vicious jab, but you just saw that the rhythm was predictable.

00:28:01.000 We knew everything she was going to do before she did it. 0.64

00:28:04.000 We've been watching it for a long time.

00:28:06.000 And she is the most dominant female. 0.88

00:28:10.000 These girls could not hang with her. 1.00

00:28:13.000 And she's still the best out there.

00:28:17.000 Yoana's been on the radar since she beat Karla. 0.91

00:28:19.000 Like, we knew that that was the fight since she beat Karla. 0.99

00:28:21.000 And it was just a matter of how were we gonna get there?

00:28:24.000 Like, what route were we gonna take to get there?

00:28:26.000 And so when the fight came around, this entire training camp was mental.

00:28:33.000 It wasn't physical.

00:28:33.000 The whole training camp, every day was mental.

00:28:36.000 Mentality, mind, mental, mental strength, just mental, mental, mental.

00:28:39.000 The entire training camp.

00:28:40.000 And one of the keys to the fight was knowing what she's going to do before she does it. 1.00

00:28:46.000 And I mean, not just in the fight, but in the interviews, in the press conference.

00:28:49.000 Backstage.

00:28:50.000 Backstage.

00:28:51.000 Like, we knew everything that was going to happen, and it all happened exactly the way we knew it was going to.

00:28:58.000 This was an excellent dissection of a person, of an athlete.

00:29:03.000 Now, what is the feeling like having gone through that, having accomplished it, having literally blown it out of the water, right?

00:29:09.000 You smashed her in the first round. 0.97

00:29:11.000 Crazy moment.

00:29:13.000 Now you gotta do it again.

00:29:14.000 I know, yeah, that's the tough part.

00:29:16.000 What's the thought process?

00:29:19.000 Um, you know, just, uh, you can't make the...

00:29:23.000 What was I saying?

00:29:24.000 I don't know if I'm going to mess it up.

00:29:25.000 Mona Lisa?

00:29:26.000 Yeah, you can't paint the Mona Lisa twice, you know?

00:29:28.000 Right.

00:29:28.000 So it can't be the same approach, you know?

00:29:31.000 It has to be something different.

00:29:32.000 It has to be, um, but, you know...

00:29:36.000 At the same time, if it ain't broke, don't fix it either.

00:29:38.000 So, like, it's got to be a combination of, like, yeah, we're going to keep doing what we're doing, but, you know, keep getting better.

00:29:44.000 Obviously, all the time.

00:29:45.000 That's always a strategy.

00:29:46.000 We don't prepare for one in particular person.

00:29:49.000 It's always, Rose is on the road to getting her black belt. 0.99

00:29:53.000 And that's what the mission is.

00:29:55.000 I mean, of course, we do get into particulars based on who it is, but that's only for a very short period of time.

00:30:02.000 The whole goal is just to make Rose a black belt in grappling, wrestling, striking, interviews, everything. 1.00

00:30:10.000 Just become a black belt. 0.98

00:30:12.000 Become a master of all of it.

00:30:13.000 And that's been the goal since we started.

00:30:15.000 Like even another, like he was saying, the mentality of this last training camp, it wasn't just like, you know, okay, I'm going to journal, which I do, you know, journal a lot.

00:30:24.000 We're all like, you know, like we talk about just doing like a float tank or something like that.

00:30:28.000 Like those little mental exercises are great, but also like working on creativity.

00:30:33.000 What's that?

00:30:34.000 I was about to say, I was just doing the number of ice baths you took.

00:30:37.000 Oh yeah, I did a lot.

00:30:38.000 The last one was the worst.

00:30:42.000 Every day.

00:30:43.000 Every day. 0.85

00:30:44.000 But like every day to a point where it actually became challenging for me to get the water colder because I was like, this is ridiculous.

00:30:50.000 How she can get in and within under, now it's gotten to a point now it's been under 25 seconds. 1.00

00:30:55.000 Like the, you know, when you first get it, it's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, boom.

00:30:58.000 Like it's under 20 seconds, under 20 seconds and she's just stone-faced.

00:31:01.000 It's just amazing.

00:31:02.000 Yeah.

00:31:02.000 The last one that I did, like, it was hurting so bad, I was, like, crying.

00:31:06.000 Like, I never had eyes where I started crying, like, because it hurts a bit.

00:31:10.000 But anyway, like, yeah, so that...

00:31:13.000 Do you find a lot of benefit from that?

00:31:15.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.000 Yeah?

00:31:16.000 I do.

00:31:16.000 Like, I mean, the...

00:31:18.000 Yeah.

00:31:20.000 Reduction of inflammation.

00:31:22.000 Yeah.

00:31:22.000 And then just like mentally and emotionally too.

00:31:25.000 Right.

00:31:26.000 You know, because it's like, why is this so scary?

00:31:28.000 But it hurts, you know?

00:31:29.000 Yeah.

00:31:30.000 But it's good.

00:31:31.000 I mean, if you can get in the cold ice bath, then nobody standing across from me is going to scare you.

00:31:37.000 There's nothing scarier than the cold.

00:31:38.000 But also, and I was trying to say this the whole time, but...

00:31:44.000 I've been also getting back into piano, because I used to play piano as a kid, and I got away from that ever since moving from state to state and not having an actual piano, just a keyboard.

00:31:54.000 It's stupid trying to play on a keyboard, but I finally got a piano in my house, and so that's another thing that I started incorporating into my training, just training my mind to just be more creative and just having an outlet, too.

00:32:07.000 That's interesting. 0.95

00:32:08.000 So you feel like that benefits you, just being creative on a piano and playing music.

00:32:14.000 I think there's a lot of parallels between music and fighting.

00:32:17.000 Ooh.

00:32:18.000 Yeah?

00:32:19.000 You think so too, Pat?

00:32:20.000 I don't know.

00:32:21.000 I don't...

00:32:22.000 Well, yeah, I was classically trained in piano and jazz in high school.

00:32:30.000 And my mom's a pianist, and so it kind of runs in the family.

00:32:33.000 And so we have been doing that as long as I've been doing martial arts.

00:32:37.000 And it's just a good balance, you know, just like gardening or anything like that is to, you know, fighting and hurting people.

00:32:43.000 It's weird.

00:32:44.000 I think it almost might help with her...

00:32:47.000 Body mechanics in a way.

00:32:48.000 To be able to control an individual finger at different times and hit one beat on the left hand and a totally different something on the right hand.

00:32:55.000 And to be able to just do all of that.

00:32:59.000 But over and over and over and over again, no matter how many times you play that same song, you just keep playing it and you love playing it.

00:33:04.000 Over and over again, I think that gives Rose a cat-like balance in a way.

00:33:09.000 That's interesting.

00:33:10.000 I'm sure you have seen a lot of those things that people are doing now where a light will go up on a board and you have to touch the light.

00:33:16.000 Lomachenko does a lot of that stuff.

00:33:18.000 There's these things that are supposed to be training your neurocognitive function and your ability to react quickly to things.

00:33:26.000 I bet there's probably some parallels in that, right?

00:33:29.000 I would think so.

00:33:29.000 I mean, like we said before, it's like if you believe in it, it works, you know?

00:33:33.000 Yeah.

00:33:34.000 Whatever makes you feel good, like, whatever makes you happy, too.

00:33:37.000 I think it's a huge part.

00:33:38.000 We've got a new idea for the second one.

00:33:40.000 We've been seeing the lights and the touch, this and that.

00:33:43.000 And I think for this next fight coming up, Rose's next evolution in her game, I think, is going to be kind of like a sniper-like accuracy.

00:33:54.000 So we have an idea of having Rose...

00:33:58.000 Punching tennis balls out of the air.

00:34:01.000 Have you ever tried that hat?

00:34:03.000 You know that hat with the tennis balls on the hat?

00:34:05.000 Yeah.

00:34:05.000 I haven't tried that yet.

00:34:07.000 No.

00:34:07.000 Yeah.

00:34:08.000 Don't like that.

00:34:09.000 You don't like that hat?

00:34:10.000 No.

00:34:10.000 Why?

00:34:11.000 I don't know.

00:34:13.000 It's for accuracy?

00:34:15.000 Lomachenko loves it.

00:34:16.000 He does look pretty cool doing it.

00:34:19.000 I don't know.

00:34:19.000 He's mad at it, but in my own opinion, I think this is staring at this thing and where's it going.

00:34:25.000 I do think a double M bag is awesome, too.

00:34:28.000 He's just got that tennis ball in front of him.

00:34:29.000 He's being fluid.

00:34:30.000 Yeah.

00:34:31.000 You can see him practicing with it.

00:34:33.000 Yeah, that's cool as a mug, man.

00:34:34.000 Accuracy.

00:34:35.000 Like I said, that's somewhat of an idea that we have an idea for this next training camp where we're going to be launching tennis balls at Rose and having her punch balls out of midair. 1.00

00:34:43.000 But not...

00:34:46.000 Hitting the ball, but standing there and throwing jabs as the ball drops right in front of you.

00:34:50.000 Boom! 0.99

00:34:50.000 Just punching the ball, but throwing real punches. 0.99

00:34:53.000 This is your own idea that you came up with?

00:34:56.000 Yeah, I had a dream.

00:34:57.000 It was weird, man.

00:34:57.000 I just saw it, and if we throw multiple balls at you in different ways, and she can throw a real jab and hit a ball, boom, then she'll be able to...

00:35:10.000 I think her reflexes for hitting someone right in the tooth while they're moving is going to be more elevated.

00:35:19.000 And this is like I said, we always add new stuff. 0.92

00:35:25.000 We don't ever go away from hitting a freaking bag or doing a mitt work.

00:35:30.000 Do you do road work? 0.88

00:35:32.000 Yeah, I love running.

00:35:33.000 I love running.

00:35:35.000 You know, I did cross-country and track in high school, and I was really good at it.

00:35:38.000 But I think I was trying to run for the wrong reasons.

00:35:41.000 Like, I was trying to just get a scholarship and get out of the house and just go away.

00:35:46.000 You know, like, so I was like, I felt like it was more of a job than it was, like, just for fun.

00:35:51.000 And now I run for fun, and it's great, you know?

00:35:54.000 It's just like a...

00:35:56.000 I don't know.

00:35:58.000 There's a book called Born to Run, and it's great.

00:36:01.000 Do you run with minimalist shoes?

00:36:04.000 Yeah, I have some tennis shoes.

00:36:05.000 Or toe shoes.

00:36:06.000 Do you run with those?

00:36:08.000 Yeah, and my brother, he takes it to a whole other level.

00:36:12.000 He does barefoot completely.

00:36:14.000 I'm like, he's crazy.

00:36:15.000 I try a little bit.

00:36:17.000 What's he running on?

00:36:19.000 Just anything.

00:36:21.000 Sidewalk.

00:36:22.000 Yeah, my brother's a little different.

00:36:25.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:36:26.000 He's a whole other level to me, though.

00:36:28.000 Wow.

00:36:29.000 Yeah.

00:36:29.000 Now, who organizes your training camp?

00:36:31.000 Does Trevor do it, or do you guys all do it together?

00:36:33.000 Yeah, we're all like a team.

00:36:35.000 That's the key to our little circle is always having team meetings, everybody being on the same page.

00:36:41.000 We're not going from one gym to the other to where this coach don't know really what I'm doing or what I just did with this other coach.

00:36:48.000 We're all really good friends, and we all grow together.

00:36:50.000 And it's just four of us.

00:36:52.000 It's just four of us.

00:36:53.000 Right.

00:36:53.000 Trevor, Tony, Rosby.

00:36:54.000 Yeah.

00:36:55.000 Now we have teammates, but the core circle is just four people.

00:36:58.000 Right.

00:36:59.000 The people that are in charge of how the camp goes.

00:37:02.000 Like fight handling is what we like to call it.

00:37:04.000 Because it's like, I mean, you don't see Floyd Mayweather going to a boxing class.

00:37:08.000 How long has Valentina Shevchenko been in Denver now?

00:37:11.000 She went back to Texas, but she... 0.83

00:37:15.000 What was it?

00:37:16.000 Last year in January?

00:37:17.000 Was it last year?

00:37:18.000 Almost all of 2017. That is a phenomenal training partner to have.

00:37:22.000 Man, that was such the...

00:37:25.000 It was fun, though.

00:37:26.000 That was perfect timing.

00:37:27.000 That was one of the best things that happened.

00:37:29.000 She's so technical.

00:37:31.000 Yeah.

00:37:31.000 She's so good.

00:37:32.000 That check right hook that she throws, when she fought Holly with it, she just shot Holly down with that check hook. 1.00

00:37:37.000 And she's got really good jiu-jitsu.

00:37:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:40.000 Yeah.

00:37:41.000 And she never stops.

00:37:43.000 She never stops. 1.00

00:37:45.000 Yeah, when she submitted Juliana Pena, I was like, oh shit. 0.99

00:37:48.000 It's very underrated, yes. 0.97

00:37:50.000 Well, everybody's scared of her striking.

00:37:52.000 And her physical strength, too, is also very impressive, too.

00:37:55.000 Yeah.

00:37:55.000 Like, she muscles people around.

00:37:57.000 A little bulldog.

00:37:57.000 She's an angry lady, you know?

00:38:00.000 Yeah.

00:38:02.000 I like her.

00:38:03.000 She's tough.

00:38:04.000 I'm a big fan.

00:38:06.000 When I heard that you were training with her, I was like, ooh, you want to sharpen the sword.

00:38:12.000 Iron sharpens iron.

00:38:13.000 Yeah, and I think too, I think a lot of girls aren't used to training with other girls. 1.00

00:38:18.000 We're used to training with other guys, so it's like...

00:38:20.000 I think it's essential, you know, for us to get together every once in a while.

00:38:24.000 It doesn't have to be all the time, you know?

00:38:26.000 Right.

00:38:26.000 Because when a girl gets, like, if I get you, like, another girl with something or she gets me with something, I get so much more angry at it than, like, say if, like, you know, somebody like Pat or another dude, like, gets me with something, you know?

00:38:38.000 Right, right, right.

00:38:39.000 Yeah.

00:38:40.000 So when you're doing your camp, say, how many weeks out do you say, all right, camp begins now?

00:38:45.000 Like, say you have this April 7th fight.

00:38:47.000 Yeah.

00:38:48.000 How many weeks out will you just say, it's time to go to war?

00:38:52.000 I like to close everything off like five weeks out.

00:38:56.000 Or like four or five weeks out.

00:38:58.000 That's where we hit it hard.

00:39:00.000 It also depends on the scenario and who it is and where we are.

00:39:04.000 Everything is a day-by-day feel.

00:39:06.000 There's no, you eat this one, fight week, and this is the shakeout that we're going to do.

00:39:10.000 It's going to be five rounds.

00:39:11.000 It's Kind of based on the circumstances, like, so the last training camp, because we did, like, three training camps with Valentina Shevchenko back-to-back for her, like, do things that really aren't, like, what I've, you know...

00:39:23.000 Rose was a great training partner. 1.00

00:39:25.000 Yeah, like, this is not the way that I would try and face her, you know, but I want to try...

00:39:30.000 So you emulate certain opponents?

00:39:32.000 Yeah, so, like, just going through all of that and all those challenges, going into this last fight, we kind of just pulled it back.

00:39:39.000 Like, it was very...

00:39:41.000 Not intense at all, actually.

00:39:43.000 It was a lot more focused on, like you said, the mental part and doing a lot of visualization and self-awareness kind of exercises.

00:39:51.000 Valentina's going to 25 now, right?

00:39:53.000 Yeah, I think she'll be fighting on February 3rd. 0.68

00:39:56.000 And she's been in Texas, I think, training down there.

00:40:02.000 Like I said, all on feel.

00:40:04.000 What she did with Valentina was off camp.

00:40:06.000 So that was three training camps back to back to back.

00:40:09.000 She had a fight, then Valentina came back, and it was just more nonstop.

00:40:13.000 And the way that Valentina is capable of doing what she's doing because she trains like, I mean, everybody.

00:40:20.000 Oh, this girl trains like an animal. 1.00

00:40:22.000 Everybody does.

00:40:23.000 10 to 1. Yeah, you have to.

00:40:24.000 10 a.m.

00:40:26.000 to 1 p.m.

00:40:27.000 and Pavel sits there, and Rose isn't necessarily emulating someone.

00:40:32.000 Pavel, Rose, go get her. 0.61

00:40:33.000 Go.

00:40:34.000 Attack.

00:40:35.000 Attack.

00:40:36.000 And if she's not acting right, go get Pat.

00:40:39.000 He'll get her.

00:40:40.000 Like, attack.

00:40:41.000 Like, it's just nonstop.

00:40:42.000 That girl is tough, man.

00:40:43.000 She was one of the biggest blessings for this training camp to come around.

00:40:46.000 Yeah.

00:40:47.000 So five weeks out is when you really get crazy.

00:40:50.000 Now, having already faced Ioana and having defeated her so soundly in the first fight, I don't want to ever say that there's a possibility that you could underestimate her, because obviously she's a very dangerous and threatening woman, but how do you keep it fresh?

00:41:06.000 How do you approach this with the same sort of intensity and anxiety that you had in the first fight that ramped up Like your performance.

00:41:15.000 I mean, that was a big part of how turned on you were and how tuned in you were.

00:41:20.000 Yeah, I've had...

00:41:22.000 I almost get, like, more pressure and anxiety off of, like, rematches.

00:41:27.000 I mean, I have all my other past experiences to draw from.

00:41:31.000 So, you know, like, when I rematched Tisha, there was a lot of lessons learned there. 0.96

00:41:35.000 And I have to kind of apply those same lessons to going forward.

00:41:39.000 Or, like, other opponents where it could be...

00:41:41.000 There's many, like, a list of reasons to underestimate this person.

00:41:44.000 Like, I have to remember that...

00:41:47.000 Anything can happen at any moment, and anybody can be dangerous.

00:41:50.000 And then at the end of the day, you know, whatever's meant to be is meant to be, you know?

00:41:53.000 Like, I remember one time, like, in the middle of the training camp, I had, like, you know, I like my little yogi tees where they, like, say, like, a little, you know, saying on it.

00:42:00.000 And it was something like, if it belongs to you, it'll come to you, or something like that.

00:42:04.000 And so I was just like...

00:42:06.000 That's how I feel about the belt.

00:42:07.000 It's like, don't go chasing the belt.

00:42:10.000 Is the belt meant to be yours?

00:42:12.000 It's meant to be yours.

00:42:13.000 And do everything that you can to keep it and do everything that you can to just be the best version of you.

00:42:18.000 But don't put that pressure on yourself that I have to be the champion or I have to do this.

00:42:23.000 Because you don't have to do anything.

00:42:24.000 The whole quest has been to see if...

00:42:27.000 The mentality has been...

00:42:30.000 Let's see if I'm better than this next person.

00:42:32.000 Someone out there is better than me.

00:42:34.000 Someone eventually is going, maybe.

00:42:36.000 Someone out there is better.

00:42:37.000 We just need to find out who it is.

00:42:38.000 And it might be the next person, even if it's someone who we previously fought.

00:42:42.000 It might be her.

00:42:43.000 So we have to be the most ready possible because we don't know who that individual is.

00:42:50.000 And I think also focusing on keeping the mentality of like, Being curious rather than having a need to know that you're the best.

00:42:59.000 Just being curious if you're the best.

00:43:00.000 I think that's a healthy way to approach it rather than needing to know I am better than you.

00:43:05.000 It's like, I don't know, because we're all the same.

00:43:08.000 We're all human beings.

00:43:10.000 At the end of the day, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be.

00:43:13.000 But you went into that fight wholly confident that you were better than her.

00:43:17.000 Yeah.

00:43:19.000 You're right.

00:43:21.000 I definitely feel like I'm the better martial artist and the better fighter too.

00:43:28.000 I have a lot going for me, but I just have to remember these things.

00:43:32.000 Stay humble.

00:43:34.000 Stay focused.

00:43:36.000 Stay hungry.

00:43:37.000 Now, when it comes to strength and conditioning, how do you parse that out?

00:43:43.000 How much time do you spend doing that versus how much do you spend on skill work?

00:43:47.000 It's almost all skill work.

00:43:51.000 I mean, I shouldn't say all, but the strength and conditioning isn't something that is on the first on the priority list.

00:43:58.000 It's kind of just like if we want to change it up or do something different.

00:44:04.000 We just got our bikes, and that's been fun to do.

00:44:07.000 But I feel like strength and conditioning should kind of just be...

00:44:11.000 I don't know.

00:44:12.000 I don't really believe in all these like strength and conditioning cultures.

00:44:15.000 I think whatever you believe in is what, you know, works for you and that it works, right?

00:44:20.000 But for me, that's something that I don't really, I feel like a hamster in a wheel if I'm going into like some guy telling me to do these exercises and What is an Earthship?

00:44:47.000 It's a self-sustaining house. 0.86

00:44:50.000 Do you think 90% of the people know what the fuck an Earthship is? 0.95

00:44:53.000 I think Joe Rogan knows everything. 0.96

00:44:55.000 He knows everything.

00:44:57.000 I've never known you to not know something, man.

00:45:00.000 I'm a curious person.

00:45:01.000 What's an Earthship? 0.83

00:45:02.000 An Earthship is a self-sustaining house that is built off of, like, recycled materials.

00:45:08.000 And there's a documentary on it called Garbage Warriors.

00:45:12.000 And this dude, Michael Reynolds, he's in New Mexico.

00:45:17.000 He fought against legislation in a community to make an earthship community.

00:45:22.000 In New Mexico?

00:45:24.000 Yeah.

00:45:24.000 And so he fought, I can't remember how long it was, but like 40 years or something crazy, went to court.

00:45:30.000 We need to have this because, you know, and they just wouldn't let him.

00:45:34.000 You know, so he eventually got it, I think, built the entire community.

00:45:38.000 And it's cool.

00:45:38.000 You can go there and, like, check it out in Taos, New Mexico.

00:45:41.000 It's awesome.

00:45:41.000 And you can, like, rent some and stay in it and check it out.

00:45:44.000 It's kind of like off-grid living.

00:45:45.000 It looks like Star Wars. 0.96

00:45:46.000 Like, it's ridiculous.

00:45:47.000 Houses built into the ground out of tires. 0.63

00:45:49.000 You got something, Jamie?

00:45:49.000 Yeah, Jamie's going to pull something up.

00:45:51.000 Oh, Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:45:52.000 Look at these fucking houses. 1.00

00:45:53.000 They're cool. 1.00

00:45:54.000 Yep, they're cool as among them.

00:45:55.000 I need to go to New Mexico.

00:45:57.000 Dude, it's cool. 0.98

00:45:58.000 I keep saying, I need to check out New Mexico, goddammit.

00:46:02.000 Let us know when you're going. 0.93

00:46:03.000 There's a hot spring that we go through.

00:46:04.000 Whoa.

00:46:05.000 It's cool.

00:46:05.000 You know what?

00:46:06.000 We've got to go there and interview Rick Strassman.

00:46:08.000 That's where he lives.

00:46:09.000 Yeah.

00:46:10.000 He lives in town.

00:46:10.000 He says it's all hippies.

00:46:11.000 That place is dope. 0.98

00:46:12.000 It is hippie-dippie, for sure. 0.90

00:46:13.000 Make a large picture of that house.

00:46:15.000 That house looks badass. 1.00

00:46:17.000 Look at that shit. 1.00

00:46:18.000 They're not just built anywhere. 1.00

00:46:21.000 They do some type of coordinates so the house faces a certain direction and the sun comes through and keeps the house lit.

00:46:30.000 It monitors the 70 degrees is the best possible way.

00:46:35.000 The interior.

00:46:38.000 Yep.

00:46:38.000 It's cool.

00:46:39.000 You can have aquaponics inside and they have banana trees growing in the middle of New Mexico.

00:46:44.000 And you can fish in your living room. 0.99

00:46:47.000 I've seen people do shit like that. 1.00

00:46:49.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:46:50.000 Fish in your living room.

00:46:51.000 I mean, you can have your aquaponics where your fish are and you can have your plants and stuff. 0.98

00:46:56.000 And the fish shit fertilizes your plants. 0.90

00:46:58.000 I've seen a lot of that. 0.99

00:46:59.000 And it conserves water and stuff.

00:47:02.000 Look at that!

00:47:03.000 And they're built into the ground, so they're really resistant to...

00:47:07.000 This house is dope!

00:47:08.000 I want to move!

00:47:11.000 Yeah.

00:47:12.000 So we went to Indonesia and built one of these for like 30 days.

00:47:17.000 And we did a whole YouTube video on it and stuff.

00:47:21.000 Just YouTube?

00:47:22.000 My Thug Diaries.

00:47:24.000 I have a YouTube channel.

00:47:25.000 I haven't done it in a while.

00:47:26.000 What is it called?

00:47:27.000 Thug Diaries.

00:47:28.000 Thug Rose.

00:47:28.000 How'd you get that name?

00:47:31.000 You're such a nice person. 0.92

00:47:32.000 How could you have this thug name?

00:47:34.000 Because I had to, well, so, you know, my ice cold stare, I've developed that long ago, you know, because I was never a witty person. 0.98

00:47:43.000 I never had, like, a good comeback for anything, so I just had to beat people's ass like that was making fun of me. 0.96

00:47:50.000 Or I have to, like, scare them off, like, just be all serious. 0.96

00:47:53.000 So that's, like, kind of where it came from.

00:47:55.000 And my neighbor, I had some Jamaican neighbors that, her name is Erica Gibbs. 1.00

00:48:00.000 And she always used to be like, that's Doug Rose right there.

00:48:04.000 And she always tell everybody, like, that's Doug Rose.

00:48:07.000 You see her? 0.99

00:48:08.000 She crazy. 0.87

00:48:09.000 I'm telling you, that was one of my fondest memories when DC was screaming that out.

00:48:12.000 That was a pretty genuine moment, man.

00:48:15.000 Oh, it was 100%.

00:48:16.000 People gave him a hard time about that.

00:48:17.000 I was like, dude, don't ever change that.

00:48:19.000 That is one of the things that makes you amazing.

00:48:21.000 The fact that he's doing commentary and it's like we're on a couch together.

00:48:25.000 We're watching the fight at home.

00:48:26.000 He's like, dog!

00:48:27.000 Doug Rose!

00:48:28.000 Doug Rose!

00:48:29.000 And it was genuine happiness.

00:48:31.000 He was enjoying that moment.

00:48:34.000 He was animated.

00:48:35.000 And it was so stunning and shocking.

00:48:37.000 And that was his real, honest reaction to it.

00:48:40.000 Right.

00:48:40.000 That was cool.

00:48:41.000 I like DC. That's why I feel like strength and conditioning, I think that was the best Like shoveling stuff, like picking up heavy buckets and tires and things like that.

00:48:54.000 It made me feel like I was actually doing something rather than just like a hamster on a wheel.

00:48:59.000 Just like, okay, I'm working out and I'm getting in better shape, but I feel like I could be actually doing something productive here and getting muscles too.

00:49:06.000 So to answer the question, we don't really do...

00:49:07.000 The strength and conditioning that we do isn't like...

00:49:10.000 It's not weightlifting and all sorts of things.

00:49:13.000 I mean, sometimes, you know, if we feel like it, but, you know.

00:49:15.000 How do you know when to do it?

00:49:16.000 Say if you're in a camp, when do you know when you want to lift weights or something?

00:49:20.000 I mean, for this last training camp, I barely lifted a weight.

00:49:25.000 I don't think I did.

00:49:26.000 We hardly ever do.

00:49:27.000 We did.

00:49:27.000 It's more like an off-season kind of thing.

00:49:29.000 We're just like, oh, let's just go to 24 for fun.

00:49:32.000 Walk around all day with a 40-pound weight vest on it.

00:49:34.000 Shadow boxing.

00:49:35.000 Shadow boxing is the best workout you could possibly do.

00:49:37.000 Really?

00:49:38.000 I think people practice hitting pads all the time, but if you don't ever practice missing a punch, you will get tired.

00:49:45.000 If you throw three punches and miss, and you never practice that, you'll be surprised at how tired you are.

00:49:51.000 Yeah, it is kind of incredible how tired you get missing things.

00:49:55.000 It doesn't make sense to people. 0.99

00:49:56.000 And if you watch people's shadow box, even professionals, they suck. 0.98

00:50:01.000 You know, they just don't deal with no emotion, no, like, visualizing, like, somebody in front of you. 0.97

00:50:05.000 Like, if you ever watch, like, my old jiu-jitsu coach back in Minnesota, Greg Nelson, if you ever watch him, Shadowbox, he's, like, fighting people and killing people.

00:50:16.000 Yeah.

00:50:17.000 You know who's got a great video on shadowboxing is Joseph Valtellini, former Glory Champion.

00:50:22.000 He's got a whole series of things put up on his YouTube.

00:50:25.000 He's got some great instructional YouTube videos.

00:50:28.000 But one of the things that he went and talked about is that you should think of that as like you're fighting.

00:50:33.000 You should visualize like fighting.

00:50:35.000 And you're going through...

00:50:37.000 Scenarios in your head.

00:50:38.000 You know, you're checking kicks and countering with right hands and delivering techniques.

00:50:43.000 That's what a lot of people, I think they forget about the imagination part of shadowboxing.

00:50:51.000 People, they leave that out.

00:50:52.000 They think, okay, stand there, throw some punches, throw some kicks, stretch my tricep twice, and then throw two more punches and move my head once.

00:51:00.000 They get bored with it.

00:51:02.000 They're not visualizing someone in front of you throwing punches and kicks at you and fighting back, and they're not visualizing someone reacting to the punches that you're throwing and firing back and moving around.

00:51:13.000 And when it comes to shadowboxing, that's what we really, a strength and conditioning.

00:51:19.000 Shadowbox, 40-pound weight vest on, walk around all day.

00:51:21.000 Don't even do anything.

00:51:22.000 We just stay home all day with the weight vest on.

00:51:24.000 You do that?

00:51:25.000 Yeah.

00:51:25.000 Uh, yeah.

00:51:26.000 Going around the dog park, bike riding with the weight.

00:51:29.000 Yeah, weight vest is nice.

00:51:30.000 And, um, we also saw some logs.

00:51:32.000 What is so good about the weight vest?

00:51:34.000 Like, the hyperbaric, what was that thing that they used to get into?

00:51:37.000 Dragon Ball Z? Hyperbolic time chamber.

00:51:39.000 No.

00:51:39.000 What was the dragon ball?

00:51:40.000 What was the gravity thing that they got into?

00:51:44.000 Well, that's just such a reoccurring theme in the Dragon Ball Z series.

00:51:48.000 It's just gravity training.

00:51:50.000 Because once you take your weight vest off, you just feel lighter.

00:51:53.000 You can breathe a lot easier.

00:51:55.000 If you can get accustomed to...

00:51:57.000 Breathing with a weight vest, just sitting on your shoulders all day and moving around with this thing, and it's just...

00:52:02.000 It strengthens you.

00:52:04.000 And then when you take it off, when you take it off, it's almost like you're instantly feeling.

00:52:08.000 Do you carry backpacks and stuff when you go hunting and stuff?

00:52:11.000 Yeah.

00:52:11.000 I even have a pack that I wear that has a bolt on it for Olympic plates.

00:52:17.000 It's called an Atlas Weight Trainer by a company called Outdoorsman's.

00:52:21.000 And they make it specifically so that people can train for hunting scenarios where you...

00:52:26.000 You know, you have these heavy packs on so you could put 90 pounds on your back with these plates and it clamps down just like a regular barbell has a whole locking mechanism on.

00:52:34.000 But it's a real good backpack where it like sits on your hips and connects in and it's perfectly like tuned into your, you know, padded right for your shoulders and everything.

00:52:45.000 I mean, like I said, I'm not trying to be against strength and conditioning, but it's just whatever makes you happy.

00:52:50.000 I don't feel happy doing strength and conditioning.

00:52:53.000 I want to have fun with it, too.

00:52:56.000 But I like manual labor.

00:52:57.000 I like digging holes.

00:52:59.000 I like getting dirty.

00:53:00.000 I like being outside kind of thing.

00:53:02.000 But I used to power lift before I got to Colorado.

00:53:06.000 So that was a great...

00:53:09.000 Thing for me at the time, and I think it's just phases, you know, you just do different things.

00:53:14.000 You always gotta change it up.

00:53:15.000 And like, there's this, what were you watching that one weightlifting documentary where he's like, if you can't do a deadlift, you know, there's no point in living.

00:53:24.000 And it was like, yes, I mean, deadlifts are the shit, you know, and squats and just like the basic, you know, like powerlifting positions or like movements.

00:53:33.000 But overall, I just like to like one training camp when I fought Paige. 0.72

00:53:37.000 I literally for a conditioning condition or for a conditioning exercise, I would chase my dog for like five, five minute rounds because she's the fastest thing ever. 1.00

00:53:45.000 I could chase her.

00:53:46.000 So I couldn't catch her.

00:53:47.000 That's hilarious.

00:53:48.000 That's a good way to do it.

00:53:49.000 I mean, Rocky used to chase chickens, right?

00:53:51.000 Remember that?

00:53:51.000 Yeah.

00:53:53.000 I'm looking.

00:53:55.000 I run with my dog all the time.

00:53:57.000 Dogs are in shape, man.

00:53:59.000 They don't get tired.

00:54:02.000 We have videos of it.

00:54:05.000 That's getting ready for a fight.

00:54:06.000 What's she doing?

00:54:07.000 She's chasing the dog. 0.94

00:54:08.000 What else?

00:54:09.000 It shouldn't be a miserable thing.

00:54:13.000 Training camp should be hard work, but it should also be fun.

00:54:17.000 Right.

00:54:17.000 You know, like, what the hell am I doing if I'm not having a good time doing what I love to do, like, just for money?

00:54:23.000 Like, no, I want to make sure that I'm enjoying myself during these training camps and making sure that if I didn't have this fight, would I still be doing this kind of thing?

00:54:32.000 Well, I've always said that to someone that has asked, like, how do I get in shape?

00:54:35.000 I said, well, if you take martial arts, the beautiful thing about it is you're getting in shape, but you're having fun.

00:54:39.000 Yeah.

00:54:40.000 Like, you're enjoying it, and then you don't even realize how hard the work is because you're having fun.

00:54:44.000 And you're getting a skill.

00:54:46.000 Yes.

00:54:46.000 You're getting a skill.

00:54:48.000 You're thinking.

00:54:49.000 It's like Gi Jiu Jitsu.

00:54:50.000 This is me saying that.

00:54:52.000 Gi Jiu Jitsu is better than lifting weights, in my opinion.

00:54:56.000 How so?

00:54:56.000 Because, man.

00:54:58.000 Heavy weight with Gi, it's slow, so it's so much static holding.

00:55:04.000 Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but it's so much static holding.

00:55:06.000 I'm sure you're doing it right.

00:55:07.000 It's hard.

00:55:08.000 I feel like as if when you get out of it, because it's a fun activity and because it's interesting and it's not just...

00:55:14.000 20. Now, I like doing, I can hit a set of 100 curls right now.

00:55:17.000 We can, I can, I like weights, but gi jujitsu has been, that's been just phenomenal, man.

00:55:24.000 Just like the strength that you can get from that.

00:55:26.000 If you're strong there, then you're strong a lot of other places.

00:55:29.000 And when it comes to rows of conditioning, like rows, we just, we practice functional things.

00:55:36.000 Punching harder.

00:55:37.000 Mm-hmm.

00:55:37.000 Kicking harder.

00:55:38.000 Right.

00:55:39.000 Grabbing the dummy and guillotining it, squeezing it for a 10-second hold and letting it go.

00:55:44.000 Yeah, like a Bubba dummy, like one of those?

00:55:47.000 Yeah.

00:55:47.000 Those things are great.

00:55:48.000 Greg Nelson would walk around with a screamer stick.

00:55:52.000 Mm-hmm.

00:55:53.000 On his arm, he would just sit there and Kimura the stick over and over again against his forearm and just Kimura the stick over and over.

00:56:00.000 Just to practice that technique.

00:56:01.000 We wondered why is this going on, but then if he grabs your arm, it's pretty hard to stop.

00:56:08.000 He's actually the reason why my Kimura got so good is because we were literally like shrimp up and down the mat, shadowing, like shadow boxing, shadow grappling, like Kimuras, just over and over again.

00:56:19.000 Greg's an underappreciated guy.

00:56:21.000 He really is.

00:56:22.000 We're an underappreciated guy in the world of martial arts.

00:56:25.000 Very, very knowledgeable guy.

00:56:26.000 Very nice guy, too.

00:56:27.000 Very knowledgeable.

00:56:29.000 That's one of the guys that...

00:56:32.000 That, for sure, is one of the guys who you can ask a question about...

00:56:36.000 Any type of technique or anything.

00:56:38.000 And not only can he give you the answer, but he can give you the history behind it.

00:56:41.000 He sits up.

00:56:42.000 This dude is a martial artist out of this world.

00:56:45.000 It was a big deal bumping into him.

00:56:49.000 And then taking everything that she's learned from him and then coming to Denver where we met Tony Basile, our grappling coach.

00:56:58.000 And then he took everything that all of the...

00:57:02.000 The technical things that Rose learned and took that to another level.

00:57:07.000 Put some flavor in it, man.

00:57:09.000 Just took it to another level.

00:57:10.000 Tony Vingas.

00:57:11.000 It's just a good combination.

00:57:13.000 Greg Nelson is a very martial artist, very strict, and Tony's very Very creative and just does different movements and things that you haven't seen before.

00:57:24.000 I'd like you both to speak to that because it's very important to me too.

00:57:27.000 The coaches that you get, the martial arts instructors that you get, the people that you run into, they're so critical.

00:57:33.000 It's so important and they should be praised.

00:57:36.000 If you see a guy like Matt Hume who could create a Mighty Mouse, those people...

00:57:42.000 They're so rare.

00:57:43.000 It's like they're so valuable.

00:57:44.000 And you gotta get that connection with that coach.

00:57:48.000 That's important too.

00:57:49.000 You gotta find the right fit.

00:57:50.000 Find the compatibility.

00:57:52.000 So I think that's why you see some people bouncing around because they don't really vibe with this place.

00:57:57.000 Or you don't vibe with the community, the town that you're in.

00:58:00.000 Maybe you don't want to live in this city and so you try out Denver for a little bit.

00:58:04.000 Maybe Milwaukee's your spot.

00:58:06.000 There's so many different alternatives and there's so many different styles that people have.

00:58:11.000 For some people, American Top Team would be the spot.

00:58:15.000 For some people, maybe they should try Montreal and go up to see Farah Sahabi.

00:58:20.000 We're so fortunate now, I think, that there's so many places to choose from.

00:58:25.000 You can go to John Crutch down in Arizona.

00:58:28.000 You can go to the Lab.

00:58:30.000 You can go to Duke Rufus in Milwaukee.

00:58:32.000 There's so many places now.

00:58:34.000 It's amazing.

00:58:35.000 You just have to find your flavor.

00:58:37.000 There's some places where you go, there's some gyms that you go to, and the training at the gym consists of who shows up to practice that day, and it's just like, alright everybody, we're working on single legs, and just go, and just fight.

00:58:49.000 That's the one thing I don't...

00:58:50.000 You get better based on who showed up, like all your teammates that showed up, and then there's the coaches where they're very one-on-one-ish, like the Matt Hume-created Demetrius Johnson, like Trevor Whitman is...

00:59:03.000 Is good enough to take an individual and make them an individual versus, alright, everyone in the room, we're all going to throw this one jab and that's it.

00:59:10.000 He's very, very specific and he can find what you're good at and help you become an individual, like I say, in the gym.

00:59:19.000 Yeah, and maybe his style is perfectly matched for you, but it might not be perfectly matched for somebody else.

00:59:27.000 And it's such an interesting relationship between trainers and fighters.

00:59:31.000 And what really bums me out is how sometimes fighters forget.

00:59:35.000 They just forget what got them there.

00:59:37.000 They forget.

00:59:37.000 They think it's all about them.

00:59:39.000 And it's such a selfish sport in a lot of ways because it's really only you in there.

00:59:43.000 Yeah, I mean, they've been in so many training camps.

00:59:47.000 Literally, Pat has a meniscus surgery that he needs to get fixed.

00:59:52.000 They beat up their bodies just as much as we do to train with us.

00:59:56.000 Especially in my situation where it is fight handling and it is very one-on-one kind of a deal.

01:00:04.000 Where it's not like I have hundreds of training partners and I go to this, you know, like ATT for example.

01:00:09.000 They have like hundreds of people there and, you know, like I just have these guys.

01:00:14.000 Right.

01:00:15.000 Yeah.

01:00:16.000 So it's good to appreciate your coaches.

01:00:17.000 It really is.

01:00:18.000 You know, it really is.

01:00:19.000 It's such an unusual relationship, the relationship between a fighter and a coach.

01:00:25.000 Yeah.

01:00:25.000 I mean, like, once I finally, you know, once I finally went through kind of just my different learning lessons, like, after I fought Carolina, I didn't have him in my corner.

01:00:35.000 And, like, after, like, I realized that that was, you know, the missing link.

01:00:39.000 And we...

01:00:40.000 It's just something that I realized, you know, if I can't do it with these guys, I don't want to do it no more.

01:00:45.000 You know, because it's all about being happy.

01:00:47.000 It's all about what makes you happy.

01:00:50.000 I mean, you ever notice how, like, kids never get tired or, like, they can just run around in circles for forever, and it's because they're having fun doing it.

01:00:58.000 And so that's where the training is based, is, like, whatever makes you happy.

01:01:02.000 Now, when you look at your future and you say, I'm the champ now, do you have a roadmap that you have?

01:01:09.000 Like, I want to retire in 10 years.

01:01:11.000 I want to get this.

01:01:13.000 I want to accomplish these things.

01:01:14.000 Do you have anything like that?

01:01:16.000 Yeah, I like to have a plan.

01:01:19.000 And then if things change, that's fine.

01:01:22.000 You have to be able to adapt.

01:01:25.000 I plan on not fighting longer than five years from now.

01:01:30.000 How old are you now?

01:01:31.000 25. So 30, that's a wrap.

01:01:33.000 Yeah.

01:01:33.000 I don't want to fight in my 30s.

01:01:35.000 I mean, I could, you know, by the time that comes around, like, time flies, like, I could be three years old and be like, fuck that, I'm getting some more fights. 0.85

01:01:40.000 Seven more fights. 0.98

01:01:42.000 One more. 0.99

01:01:43.000 Well, it's also, you have the potential to be a fucking huge star. 0.99

01:01:47.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:01:47.000 I mean... 0.98

01:01:49.000 I don't want to freak you out, but you're a very unique person, and you're at this very strange time in history where I don't want to freak you out, but I think the sport needs someone like you.

01:02:04.000 I really think you're a very unique individual, and I think that perspective can help a lot of people to recognize that there's a broad spectrum of people out there that are doing this, and that your genuine Your genuine behavior and thought process and how in-depth your thought process is.

01:02:25.000 I think it's very important right now.

01:02:27.000 I think it is important, especially for women too, you know, because we have a tendency to be pretty catty and bitchy towards each other, and I think that if I can show an example to other women to be more loving to each other, and not just, you know, woman to woman, but to each other, man or woman, I think it's important. 0.98

01:02:47.000 And also the way you shave your head, you're wearing sweatpants, you don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:02:53.000 But you're still beautiful. 0.99

01:02:55.000 And you're also a beautiful person, like your personality.

01:02:58.000 And I think that that's so needed right now.

01:03:02.000 Thank you.

01:03:04.000 In time, there's always dark times, and there's light times, there's dark times.

01:03:08.000 And we've been... 0.85

01:03:10.000 In the world in general for the last few years has been kind of things have been kind of like people are wearing more sunglasses at night The fighters are getting more ridiculous.

01:03:19.000 It's just yeah, and I feel like as if Not that we've hit a seriously low point, but things have gotten pretty whack.

01:03:27.000 And I have the feeling that after that performance, like after what she did and what she said, that that was like a spark of the beginning of things coming back up.

01:03:38.000 Like just things being a little bit more, not so... 0.97

01:03:42.000 Not so fucking ridiculous. 0.98

01:03:44.000 Like I said, everybody's got their sunglasses on. 0.99

01:03:46.000 Everybody's showing up with a leather jacket with no shirt on under it. 1.00

01:03:50.000 Everybody's talking crazy shit and just being ridiculous, man. 1.00

01:03:54.000 Well, Connor kind of changed the game. 1.00

01:03:56.000 He did. 0.99

01:03:57.000 He kind of let everybody know how valuable shit talking is. 0.99

01:04:00.000 Now everybody's going to be wearing these pants? 0.99

01:04:02.000 Yeah.

01:04:05.000 Well, I hope so.

01:04:06.000 I mean, it seemed to me, this is just my take on it.

01:04:12.000 The UFC missed out with Amanda Nunes they when they were marketing Ronda Rousey for that fight first of all I was looking at those like this is all Ronda Rousey and she is facing in my opinion the worst possible matchup Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt who hits like a fucking truck and a real tested warrior and But they didn't promote her. 1.00

01:04:34.000 They didn't promote it.

01:04:35.000 They promoted the Ronda Rousey thing, the Ronda Rousey comeback, and her walking around her mansion frowning like, she's coming back. 1.00

01:04:41.000 Like, she's coming back to fight a fucking killer. 1.00

01:04:44.000 And why not promote the killer? 1.00

01:04:47.000 Like, this woman is murking people. 1.00

01:04:49.000 Like, what she did to Misha Tate.

01:04:51.000 Look at what she's doing to people. 0.90

01:04:52.000 She's blasting people into orbit. 1.00

01:04:54.000 And then...

01:04:56.000 She wins, and here you have this opportunity.

01:04:58.000 You have the very first openly gay woman who is a mixed martial arts UFC champion.

01:05:04.000 First one ever.

01:05:05.000 Right.

01:05:06.000 There's no big push.

01:05:08.000 But that also, from what we've just discovered over the last three months, that could also be Amanda, though.

01:05:15.000 We left New York that night and nothing was different for two months, bro.

01:05:22.000 Yeah, but we created that ourselves.

01:05:24.000 We did that.

01:05:25.000 We went home and we looked out the window for two months trying to figure out who's walking down the street.

01:05:29.000 We shut it down.

01:05:31.000 They wanted Rose to instantly go on a victory tour across New York. 1.00

01:05:35.000 They wanted us to stay in New York.

01:05:36.000 After that whole week in New York, after the fight, they said, we want you to stay in New York to go on a victory tour.

01:05:41.000 I was like, no way.

01:05:43.000 Absolutely not.

01:05:44.000 We have to go.

01:05:44.000 We have to leave.

01:05:45.000 Not only do we have to leave, we're leaving right now.

01:05:47.000 But did you think that there was some benefit in doing a victory tour?

01:05:50.000 Of doing a bunch of different television shows?

01:05:52.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:05:53.000 I feel like I might have, like...

01:05:55.000 I don't know what I would have even said in interviews at that time.

01:05:59.000 Because it was just, like, still processing.

01:06:01.000 That wouldn't have been a good time.

01:06:02.000 But I think that's one of the things that people would like.

01:06:05.000 To see you try to process it.

01:06:06.000 Yeah, I know.

01:06:08.000 Like a guinea pig.

01:06:09.000 People were going to see Rose do this. 1.00

01:06:12.000 But I honestly think in that circumstance, it's critical who you talk to.

01:06:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:17.000 Because you could be talking to some fucking normal morning show dummy, and they don't give a shit about the sport, and they're going to ask you stupid questions. 1.00

01:06:24.000 You're only on for five minutes. 1.00

01:06:26.000 You're like, well, you know, hey, it all worked out.

01:06:27.000 Hey, what's up, mom?

01:06:29.000 Yeah.

01:06:29.000 You know, wave at the camera.

01:06:31.000 I think looking back in hindsight, I wish I could have, like, took it in a little bit more, but it was kind of like, okay, next fight.

01:06:37.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:06:37.000 It's just like, everything is just, and we're like, okay, let's get out of here.

01:06:40.000 Like, As soon as the fight happened, we all stood up, we shook hands, and we said, everybody be cool, we just gotta get the fuck, we just gotta get home. 0.96

01:06:48.000 I gotta say, I like that too, though. 0.99

01:06:50.000 I like that approach too. 0.91

01:06:52.000 I like that you just get the fuck out of Dodge. 0.84

01:06:54.000 So, in our entire relationship, Pat has had to learn this over time, that if I get the instinct to, we need to bust out, you have to listen to me. 0.98

01:07:07.000 Now's the time to go.

01:07:08.000 I'll just get this feeling.

01:07:10.000 I'm like, something will happen as soon as we're leaving.

01:07:12.000 Multiple occurrences where Rose's intuition has been spot on.

01:07:15.000 Hey, yo, we gotta get the fuck out of here right now.

01:07:17.000 And we're like, alright, cool. 0.95

01:07:18.000 So there's no question.

01:07:19.000 Now there's no question anymore.

01:07:20.000 If Rose said, right now, we out, we drop.

01:07:24.000 Everybody knows it's a countdown.

01:07:26.000 Rose said, let's bounce. 1.00

01:07:28.000 Ten.

01:07:28.000 Nine.

01:07:29.000 And we're gonna launch.

01:07:30.000 The last time she did this, we... 0.92

01:07:33.000 We gotta get the fuck out of here. 0.95

01:07:35.000 We were leaving. 0.93

01:07:36.000 This was one of the first times we had gone out to a nightclub in five years.

01:07:39.000 We've been saying, we need to go out for three years, and eventually Valentina won her fight in Denver, so we're like, we're going out tonight.

01:07:46.000 We're going to go out tonight.

01:07:46.000 You want to do it?

01:07:47.000 We're going to do it?

01:07:48.000 And we went out, and it was fun, and we danced, and for years we haven't done anything like this. 0.99

01:07:52.000 We danced, and it was great, and everybody had a great time, and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, 12.31, Rose says, Yo, let's get the fuck out of here. 0.90

01:08:00.000 And it's instant. 0.99

01:08:01.000 It's instant.

01:08:02.000 It's the instant change of the feeling around 1 o'clock or something. 0.98

01:08:04.000 I said, we gotta get the fuck out of here. 0.74

01:08:06.000 And within a minute, we had eight people. 0.75

01:08:08.000 We were grabbing people.

01:08:09.000 Come with us.

01:08:09.000 Let's go.

01:08:10.000 Let's go.

01:08:10.000 Yo, you're from the gym.

01:08:11.000 How are you getting home?

01:08:12.000 Come with us.

01:08:12.000 Like, to get in the van, and we walked through the club, down the stairs, past this really big guy that was by the front door arguing with the security guy.

01:08:20.000 Right past him.

01:08:22.000 And as soon as we got past him, he started shooting everybody.

01:08:24.000 Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop! 0.87

01:08:25.000 You just start shooting everybody. 0.94

01:08:27.000 What?

01:08:28.000 It's been instances like this.

01:08:31.000 And you were there while the gun was going off? 0.98

01:08:34.000 And then, not only that, but we got in the van and everybody fucking don't move. 0.90

01:08:37.000 The dude, he walked to the car that was parked right in front of us. 0.93

01:08:42.000 Like, we were parked.

01:08:43.000 Like, this chick, we're in the van.

01:08:46.000 This chick runs up to the door. 1.00

01:08:47.000 She's scrambling, trying to get in. 0.97

01:08:48.000 This guy's casually walking.

01:08:50.000 We don't know what's going on.

01:08:51.000 He's just casually walking around.

01:08:52.000 We just see this guy.

01:08:53.000 He opens up the door, pulls the gun out.

01:08:54.000 She's like, pow, pow! 0.98

01:08:55.000 Shoots her?

01:08:56.000 No, no, no.

01:08:57.000 She was with him.

01:08:59.000 She was getting in the car.

01:09:00.000 He was having an argument with the doorman, I think.

01:09:03.000 Because they weren't letting him in or something like that.

01:09:04.000 So he just started shooting.

01:09:05.000 Pow, pow, pow, pow.

01:09:07.000 And then he walked to his car.

01:09:08.000 And then when he got in his car, he said, huh, huh?

01:09:10.000 Put the gun up again.

01:09:11.000 They hit him with two douche. 1.00

01:09:12.000 And then got in the car and they just casually drove off right while we're sitting in the van.

01:09:15.000 Yeah, so it's like instances like that where I'm just like, yeah.

01:09:19.000 Like I will call it like instantly like...

01:09:22.000 So you just think you have very good intuition?

01:09:24.000 Yeah, because I've just seen stuff like that.

01:09:26.000 I just can feel the energy of a room change.

01:09:31.000 When I was a kid and we were just playing basketball, and it's weird how nobody else would pick up on it except for myself.

01:09:41.000 In those situations, like, I was playing basketball with my friends, and then, like, down the street, I thought I heard something in the distance that, like, you know, just people talking, or some, like, people making noises, but I didn't, you know, there's always noise.

01:09:53.000 We're in the middle of the city, you know, but for some reason, my attention was brought to this noise, like, something's wrong.

01:09:58.000 So I look, and I'm like, man, I think I see some people wrestling over there or something, and then, You know, my friends were like, oh, no, they're probably cool.

01:10:05.000 What are you talking about?

01:10:06.000 And I was like, I'm going to go over there and check it out.

01:10:07.000 And so I run across the street a couple blocks down, and then all of a sudden I see a guy have a knife.

01:10:13.000 He stabs him, and then he falls down.

01:10:16.000 And he turns towards me, and then I'm like...

01:10:19.000 And then I realized that my little dude that I would help raise as a kid, because he was young as well as myself, his name was Matthew, and then I saw him follow me over here, and so I thought I was the only one. 0.98

01:10:32.000 So I was like, oh shit, Matthew, go home. 0.96

01:10:34.000 So we had to run. 0.99

01:10:36.000 Yeah, and then he ended up just driving off or whatever.

01:10:39.000 I don't know if they found the guy or whatever, but... 0.99

01:10:41.000 Rosa said shit like we're on the highway driving on a road trip. 0.99

01:10:44.000 She's like, get off right here. 1.00

01:10:45.000 Like, just quick.

01:10:46.000 Get off right here.

01:10:47.000 Go to start getting off and the car flips over.

01:10:49.000 It's spooky.

01:10:50.000 I don't question it.

01:10:51.000 I don't question it anymore.

01:10:52.000 And then just like, you know, just like the whole thing with the truck driving accident.

01:10:56.000 Like, that type of stuff.

01:10:58.000 Like, it just seems like...

01:11:00.000 I don't know.

01:11:02.000 That's why I always believed in the fact that if you're delayed or you're late for something, it's for a reason.

01:11:07.000 So that's why the week of the fight, I was getting nervous because it was like, we're going to get there late and things are starting to go wrong already.

01:11:17.000 And then once we landed, I kind of put the pieces together.

01:11:20.000 Like, oh, yeah, that's why everything happens for a reason.

01:11:23.000 So do you always feel like you're kind of tuned in to something that other people aren't tuned into?

01:11:29.000 It depends on where I'm at in my life.

01:11:31.000 Sometimes if I'm living the right way, if I'm healthy, if I'm in shape, or if I'm spiritually right.

01:11:39.000 You're tuned in that way, that you're not troubled.

01:11:42.000 If I'm making the wrong choices, if I'm surrounding myself around evil and stuff.

01:11:51.000 The wrong people, you're troubled.

01:11:52.000 Then I won't have...

01:11:54.000 Then you're confused and distracted by those troubles.

01:11:58.000 Decisions or like, yeah.

01:12:01.000 Or to have good intuition.

01:12:02.000 Yeah.

01:12:03.000 So if you're free of any regret or remorse of your own actions, more clearly you can discern what's going on in your environment.

01:12:13.000 Right.

01:12:13.000 And that's why I say like...

01:12:14.000 Very, very, very super observant.

01:12:16.000 I mean, just coming up with a...

01:12:17.000 And it's almost like a...

01:12:19.000 I would say just from the stories that I've heard of growing up in the past.

01:12:26.000 Because of those experiences, she got a really good...

01:12:31.000 Really good at scoping out a room.

01:12:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:12:35.000 It's really hard to sneak up on Rose.

01:12:37.000 She sees you coming from two days ago.

01:12:40.000 It's a...

01:12:43.000 She's very observant.

01:12:44.000 Let's say that.

01:12:44.000 In a way, because of growing up, it's a skill that had to be developed.

01:12:51.000 You know, you snuck up on me once, it'll never happen again.

01:12:54.000 Right.

01:12:54.000 And we even, like, as kids, like, you know, people that I used to, like, hang out with in my neighborhood, we would, like, help each other out.

01:13:01.000 Like, we would teach each other, like, yeah, don't go down that place or don't hang out over there because somebody got shot over there or, like, you know, like, the same car, like, circles around this block too many times, like, go inside, you know.

01:13:14.000 How hard is it to watch each other fight?

01:13:17.000 When he was fighting, it was pretty hard for me.

01:13:19.000 But then when I was actually there, when he had a kickboxing fight, and I was actually able to be in his corner, I felt a lot better.

01:13:25.000 But being away at home, that was difficult for me.

01:13:29.000 And also because she knew internally I wasn't ready.

01:13:31.000 Yeah.

01:13:33.000 Well, I guess, not all the time, but yeah.

01:13:35.000 That's also the big part of it.

01:13:37.000 Like, I could have been more ready for the majority of the fights that Rose was around for. 0.96

01:13:41.000 And what was wrong?

01:13:43.000 With me?

01:13:44.000 Yeah.

01:13:44.000 Just fighting for the wrong reasons and just not necessarily going about it in the healthiest way.

01:13:50.000 I mean, I had a prescription pill problem.

01:13:52.000 The whiskey was delicious.

01:13:53.000 I mean, just living not the healthiest life and not the best life.

01:13:59.000 Like I said, I was doing it for the wrong reasons.

01:14:03.000 When Rose and I met, I said, you are good enough to be a world champion.

01:14:09.000 You're good enough to be the best in the world, and this is something that you really want to do.

01:14:11.000 I'll make sure you never have to have a job.

01:14:13.000 All you have to do is train.

01:14:14.000 If this is something that you really want to do, I'll make sure you never have to work a day in your life.

01:14:18.000 All you have to do is train and be a fighter, and that's it.

01:14:20.000 So as soon as that started, I kind of caught myself...

01:14:26.000 Getting into fights asking, how much does this one pay?

01:14:30.000 25 and 25?

01:14:31.000 Alright, cool.

01:14:31.000 I can do some math on it.

01:14:32.000 If I win, I'll do some math on it.

01:14:33.000 Alright, cool.

01:14:33.000 Just get into the fight.

01:14:34.000 You lost. 1.00

01:14:35.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:14:35.000 How much? 1.00

01:14:36.000 Like, I find myself getting uncontrollably getting into that scenario.

01:14:42.000 Now, the kickboxing message was that I was ready for that.

01:14:44.000 Like, I actually...

01:14:45.000 Was was past all that shitty decision-making that I was making and and was actually prepped for that one But there were other times where whether it be conscious or not Subconsciously there was somewhere inside of I would guess the mind where we both knew that I wasn't I hadn't done I'm supposed to do ten but no one's looking so I only did eight and I just didn't say anything You know I mean like that that type of thing Do you have regret?

01:15:11.000 No No.

01:15:13.000 No, no, no.

01:15:14.000 Never.

01:15:14.000 And the reason why is because if I go back and change anything, I won't be sitting here talking to you right now.

01:15:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:15:19.000 Like every decision that I've made, every life experience that I've had, dad passing away when I was a kid, having to do all these different, like all of the decisions that I've made and all of the trials and tribulations that I've been through have been exactly why I'm sitting here right now with a beautiful woman right next to me who happens to be a world champion talking to Joe Rogan.

01:15:37.000 And, you know, I've learned a lot of lessons from his mistakes, you know, and his successes as well, you know, just watching him go through all that.

01:15:46.000 It's helped me a lot.

01:15:47.000 Yeah, no regrets.

01:15:48.000 It's almost like I've been able to experiment with having a UFC career, but not actually having to, like, do it, you know, like living vicariously through him.

01:15:56.000 And then now I can know what I can do different.

01:15:59.000 It's like doing it all over again.

01:16:00.000 When did you decide to stop, Pat?

01:16:03.000 Still not.

01:16:04.000 You still not?

01:16:05.000 No, no.

01:16:06.000 I'm never going to...

01:16:09.000 This doesn't have to be a belief that everybody believes in, but I believe that if you're a fighter, you don't really retire.

01:16:18.000 You never really retire until people just stop giving you fights.

01:16:21.000 I'm never going to want to...

01:16:23.000 I'm always going to want to fight.

01:16:24.000 Always.

01:16:25.000 Always, always.

01:16:25.000 What was the last time you fought?

01:16:27.000 Man.

01:16:28.000 Two years ago?

01:16:28.000 It's been a while.

01:16:29.000 Was it in Glory?

01:16:30.000 No, this was, like, Legacy?

01:16:32.000 No, Legacy?

01:16:33.000 I think I fought Demario Dennis, who was maybe my last fight, last kickboxing match, I think.

01:16:39.000 I think that was like two years ago, but I still want to fight now.

01:16:44.000 I have a lateral meniscus tear that I would like to get.

01:16:48.000 I need for just my own happiness and for Rose's training campaign to get done with.

01:16:52.000 Like, take care of that because that puts a lot of hindrance on training. 0.97

01:16:56.000 After all these years, as soon as the knee starts feeling weird, I automatically just take it easy and just don't fuck with it too much.

01:17:03.000 Is it a tear that can be fixed with stem cells or is it something that has to be done with a scope?

01:17:08.000 I think it needs a scope.

01:17:10.000 We are just finding out about stem cells.

01:17:14.000 The question I was going to ask you, how do you feel about that?

01:17:17.000 What you told me before.

01:17:20.000 But I'm a big believer in it. 0.95

01:17:23.000 It does some pretty miraculous shit if you use it correctly and you get a good doctor.

01:17:28.000 Do you know Dr. Davidson from the UFC? Talk to him about it. 0.88

01:17:33.000 He's who I talked to.

01:17:35.000 I called him kind of in a...

01:17:37.000 We're 11 weeks out from the fight.

01:17:39.000 I would like to call myself one of Rose's main training partners.

01:17:43.000 And it would be cool if I can get this knee taken care of either this week or next week at the latest so I can have the few weeks off of recovery and still have seven weeks left to...

01:17:53.000 Attack Rose every day.

01:17:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:54.000 In order for us to do that.

01:17:56.000 But do I want to fight again?

01:17:58.000 Yeah.

01:17:59.000 I'm always going to want to fight.

01:18:00.000 I've got to fight over yesterday.

01:18:01.000 Hell no.

01:18:02.000 You've got to fight over yesterday.

01:18:03.000 No, not hell no.

01:18:07.000 Will I fight again?

01:18:09.000 Rose is the star of the show. 0.78

01:18:11.000 Not for pennies, though.

01:18:13.000 It has to be the right...

01:18:17.000 I got offered a fight against Pedro Hizzo.

01:18:21.000 I think it was going to be on a Sunday at the county fair or something like that.

01:18:26.000 Pedro Hizzo, man.

01:18:27.000 He's a guy who's been around a long time.

01:18:30.000 He's been in some wars.

01:18:32.000 A long time.

01:18:32.000 But I got offered that and I said no thank you.

01:18:34.000 But I'm still getting the calls every once in a while.

01:18:39.000 Why'd you say no thank you?

01:18:41.000 Because it was a bad offer?

01:18:43.000 No, no, no.

01:18:44.000 Well...

01:18:45.000 I don't know.

01:18:47.000 Not good timing.

01:18:50.000 And this is an MMA fight or a kickboxing fight?

01:18:53.000 Man, I think it was going to be a kickboxing match with MMA gloves on, I think.

01:18:57.000 I don't know.

01:18:58.000 But I also had another fight with Eric Prendel that was supposed to be November 18th.

01:19:02.000 That was a kickboxing match with MMA gloves on, I think.

01:19:05.000 And that one got postponed, which was completely great.

01:19:10.000 Like, Rose... 1.00

01:19:12.000 Is the shit. 1.00

01:19:13.000 I'm not getting in the way of that. 1.00

01:19:16.000 Like, Rose is fucking rolling right now. 1.00

01:19:18.000 I'm embracing the role of a coach and team leader now. 0.99

01:19:24.000 Not being the athlete anymore.

01:19:25.000 And I get it.

01:19:27.000 I know I'm 38 now. 0.99

01:19:30.000 Whatever the fuck's going on with me. 0.97

01:19:33.000 Which things are a lot better now. 0.98

01:19:35.000 I'm healthy and everything's great.

01:19:37.000 But...

01:19:38.000 Rose is where it's at.

01:19:40.000 That's where my time and attention has been since we met.

01:19:44.000 And it's still gonna be that way.

01:19:46.000 I said when we met, I was gonna make it a point.

01:19:51.000 You have what it takes to be the best.

01:19:54.000 I'm gonna make sure of it.

01:19:56.000 You know?

01:19:57.000 Like, that's the role that I like.

01:19:59.000 That's the role that I like now.

01:20:00.000 It's a lot more comfortable now. 0.99

01:20:02.000 Oven-baked pizza every fucking night. 0.99

01:20:04.000 Like, I love it. 0.99

01:20:05.000 It's more comfortable now for me to do that.

01:20:08.000 Now, at the exact same time, it drives me crazy that I'm not fighting.

01:20:12.000 You just got to have a good purpose behind what you're doing.

01:20:15.000 You know, that's just like the bottom line.

01:20:18.000 You know, whatever you want to do, you can do anything that you want to do, but what's your reasoning?

01:20:22.000 Right.

01:20:23.000 And for me, at this point, it's to change the world.

01:20:26.000 Like, I know it's a freaking...

01:20:27.000 Your reasoning is to change the world? 0.54

01:20:29.000 Yeah.

01:20:29.000 Really?

01:20:30.000 Yeah.

01:20:30.000 How so?

01:20:31.000 This is my best skill and the thing that I can do the best.

01:20:38.000 And I think it reaches a big audience.

01:20:42.000 And I can get my message across.

01:20:44.000 Yeah.

01:20:44.000 And, you know, like you were saying, just setting a better example, trying to change the way people think, or at least just offering a different perspective.

01:20:54.000 You don't got to think like me.

01:20:55.000 You know, I'm...

01:20:56.000 But this is an active idea that's in your head, like while you're training, while you're doing media, you're thinking, I have a chance to change the world.

01:21:06.000 I want to build an urban farm in my community, and I want to make it available for other people.

01:21:12.000 Because the way that I grew up, I wish there was an urban farm where I could learn how to grow my own food, and I could get my own food that was not from the grocery store.

01:21:24.000 And so I want to provide that for other people.

01:21:26.000 And, you know, fighting is the best, the quickest way I can do that, I think, you know.

01:21:31.000 And there's other ways, you know.

01:21:32.000 A positive influence on someone.

01:21:34.000 Yeah, for example, I started getting into, like, some cryptocurrencies and stuff.

01:21:39.000 And there's this thing called Evergreen Coin that's just, like, you know, one of the altcoins or whatever.

01:21:43.000 I don't know.

01:21:44.000 It's still pretty small or whatever, but it's a sustainable cryptocurrency that...

01:21:51.000 It doesn't use as much electricity, and it kind of goes into every kind of philosophy that I agree upon.

01:21:57.000 It falls in line with my beliefs, and there's just a lot of aspects about it that I really like.

01:22:03.000 And so that's something that you get.

01:22:07.000 It's good for charities, so if you hold some Evergreen coin, you can get some stock I sound kind of stupid trying to recite all this information, but yeah, you can generate money with it and then you can donate it to charity and it works that way.

01:22:25.000 So these are just a bunch of different things that you would like to let people know about and help people understand?

01:22:32.000 Yeah, and I'm still formulating these ideas, you know, obviously, like, because, I mean, fighting takes up, like, all your time, you know, but I like to think about these things, and I think it just, you know, over time, it's just going to kind of fall into place, you know, just doing things like, you know, the Indonesia Earthship trip and, like, just doing different stuff that I can build skills for later.

01:22:52.000 And you're going to do more of this on your YouTube channel?

01:22:54.000 Yeah, I'm trying to...

01:22:56.000 I've been trying to...

01:22:58.000 Especially now, as a champ, it seems like a great idea.

01:23:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:01.000 I've been trying to put together the next episode.

01:23:03.000 I have a whole bunch of footage, but...

01:23:05.000 So, like, sorry, guys.

01:23:07.000 It seems like somebody would want to get involved, like some sort of a production company or something.

01:23:11.000 I mean, it seems like a no-brainer to me.

01:23:13.000 Yeah, I've got a camera guy, Austin Erickson, who, you know, he does a great job.

01:23:16.000 And it's just been kind of a roller coaster, you know, all this traveling or just, you know, trying to get things together. 0.82

01:23:22.000 Get my shit together, basically. 0.94

01:23:24.000 We also had to shut it down and put it on pause after the Michelle fight. 0.99

01:23:27.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:23:27.000 Like, after the Michelle Watterson fight, however long ago that was, as soon as that was over, we knew Ioana was next and everything stopped.

01:23:33.000 Social media kind of just...

01:23:34.000 Everything stopped.

01:23:35.000 I got off of, like, that for a little while.

01:23:37.000 Not off of it completely, but just trying to, like, minimize it.

01:23:41.000 And because I knew that...

01:23:43.000 Well, I think it, you know, I don't know, it's the most addictive drug, you know, like just being on your phone and you just fill your head up with just like a whole bunch of information that like, when you're focused on just this one person, like to defeat this person, this one mission, it's hard to, you know, like you only have so much room in your head for that kind of stuff.

01:24:05.000 And also because we knew Ioana was checking her Instagram every day.

01:24:08.000 Yeah, it would drive her nuts.

01:24:09.000 It would drive her crazy to not post anything or be seen anywhere.

01:24:15.000 She even said in an interview, she's like, she don't want to do social media and stuff.

01:24:18.000 I was like...

01:24:19.000 I mean, why does it bother you?

01:24:21.000 I don't understand.

01:24:22.000 Because she couldn't see you.

01:24:24.000 She had no idea what you looked like.

01:24:26.000 She didn't see you training.

01:24:27.000 She didn't see you doing any of that stuff.

01:24:29.000 In her defense, probably she had pay-per-view points. 0.91

01:24:32.000 She had a great reasoning to do it, but part of the strategy going into this fight was to ghost Ioana. 0.99

01:24:38.000 That was a big part of this game plan was to ghost her no matter what she says, no matter what she does. 0.74

01:24:47.000 And we knew that it was going to come in levels.

01:24:49.000 She's going to say this, then she's going to say this, then she's going to say this, then she's going to talk about your dog.

01:24:55.000 It's going to get bigger and bigger and bigger.

01:24:57.000 And she might even, we even knew, she's going to touch you.

01:25:00.000 She's going to push you. 0.87

01:25:01.000 She's going to touch you. 0.99

01:25:02.000 When she does, don't move.

01:25:04.000 Don't react.

01:25:05.000 Give her nothing.

01:25:06.000 Give her nothing.

01:25:07.000 And it worked.

01:25:08.000 Now she knows, though.

01:25:10.000 So, I have a strategy.

01:25:12.000 I'm going to come at her and I'm going to be stone-faced.

01:25:16.000 I mean, I don't believe in, you know, like, I mean...

01:25:19.000 I'm going to put a hex on her. 1.00

01:25:21.000 Right, right, yeah.

01:25:22.000 She's coming.

01:25:23.000 Mega boogie's coming.

01:25:24.000 She's going to be mega boogie. 1.00

01:25:26.000 I love it, you know?

01:25:27.000 I don't hate on her for doing what she's doing, you know?

01:25:30.000 It's just...

01:25:30.000 It's kind of, like, silly, you know, to me, but...

01:25:33.000 But it works.

01:25:35.000 It worked for everybody.

01:25:37.000 Without her, and without my contrasting personality, that fight wouldn't have been nearly as exciting as it was.

01:25:44.000 I need her, and that's why I think I like to get people to understand other fighters.

01:25:49.000 You need your opponent just as much as you need your training partners and your teammates and your coaches.

01:25:54.000 It's your dancing partner.

01:25:55.000 It's the show.

01:25:57.000 It's also what motivates you.

01:25:58.000 But it's real, too.

01:26:00.000 It's also what gets you up.

01:26:01.000 Yeah.

01:26:01.000 Gets you fired up.

01:26:02.000 I mean to fight a woman that's that dangerous. 1.00

01:26:05.000 Yeah.

01:26:06.000 Yeah.

01:26:07.000 I don't know.

01:26:09.000 Yo, yo, hey, hey, yo. 0.99

01:26:10.000 So she told Rose some crazy, like, okay, so all week shit was going on. 0.99

01:26:14.000 We missed the car accident. 0.99

01:26:15.000 We missed the Antifa thing happened right in front of us.

01:26:18.000 We got down to the locker room and they gave Rose the wrong gloves and didn't want to give her the right gloves. 1.00

01:26:22.000 Like they gave her the wrong gloves.

01:26:23.000 What do you mean by the wrong gloves?

01:26:25.000 I need like a bantamweight size glove and they gave me a strawweight.

01:26:29.000 And I said it specifically beforehand.

01:26:31.000 Because you have larger hands?

01:26:32.000 Yeah.

01:26:33.000 She's got broken fingers. 1.00

01:26:34.000 This is what's going on.

01:26:35.000 No, I do.

01:26:36.000 These are piano playing hands.

01:26:39.000 So we also got to the arena late.

01:26:41.000 Like usually you get to the arena and you have three hours.

01:26:45.000 Right, but you were just going to say something.

01:26:46.000 You stopped yourself.

01:26:47.000 You said she said something to Rose?

01:26:50.000 Yeah, that's what we get to.

01:26:51.000 We got to the arena late.

01:26:52.000 They gave the wrong gloves.

01:26:53.000 They played the wrong walkout music.

01:26:55.000 What was the walkout music?

01:26:57.000 I have no idea.

01:26:58.000 It was something terrible.

01:26:59.000 It made me so mad.

01:27:00.000 What were you supposed to come out to?

01:27:02.000 Well, so originally, what was it?

01:27:04.000 Sweet Freedom.

01:27:05.000 Yeah, I switched it to that.

01:27:07.000 And all week long, I was like, because I wanted something uplifting, something happy, you know?

01:27:12.000 And that was something that we've been jamming out to for like a few weeks or whatever.

01:27:15.000 And the whole week, I've been telling Pam, I can't wait until they play my walkout song.

01:27:19.000 That's just all I care about. 0.99

01:27:21.000 They fucked you with the wrong song. 1.00

01:27:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:25.000 I was like, fuck everybody in this arena. 0.99

01:27:27.000 What was the song that you actually came out to? 1.00

01:27:29.000 Do you know?

01:27:29.000 I have no idea.

01:27:30.000 It was like some Oasis or something.

01:27:32.000 Oasis song.

01:27:32.000 I don't know.

01:27:34.000 Did someone make a decision or did they fuck up? 0.99

01:27:38.000 I don't know. 0.98

01:27:38.000 I think somebody told me that there was a mistake of some sort, but I don't know. 0.98

01:27:44.000 Some dickhead who loves Oasis. 0.95

01:27:46.000 I guess so. 0.99

01:27:46.000 I want to hear what I want to hear, man. 0.99

01:27:48.000 Right.

01:27:48.000 I mean, it's just such a contrasting style of music.

01:27:52.000 I don't even know how you can make that mistake.

01:27:54.000 It turned out to be the best part of the week. 1.00

01:27:56.000 Actually, it was the best part of the week because by the time that happened, it was like, ah, fuck it. 1.00

01:28:01.000 Ah, fuck it, everything, man. 1.00

01:28:02.000 Just fuck it, man. 1.00

01:28:03.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:28:04.000 What were you going to say that she said?

01:28:06.000 Yoana, before the fight, doing the USADA drug test thing, Rose was walking back through the hallway with her official, and she crossed paths with Yoana, all by herself, and Yoana...

01:28:22.000 Oh yeah, she like, in a different tone of voice to like the weirdest, like she doesn't seem like herself for a second.

01:28:28.000 I mean, I'm sure she's getting in fight mode or whatever. 0.66

01:28:30.000 And she's like breaking in her clothes.

01:28:32.000 And she's like, and I gave her like the what's up, you know?

01:28:34.000 And she gave me what's up.

01:28:35.000 And then she was like, she's like, I think she asked me something like, did you buy the ticket?

01:28:40.000 Or I was like, what?

01:28:42.000 She's like, do you believe him?

01:28:44.000 Or do you believe in him or something like that?

01:28:45.000 Do you believe him?

01:28:46.000 Did you buy the ticket?

01:28:47.000 Yeah.

01:28:48.000 And then she walked off. 1.00

01:28:50.000 And I was just like, what?

01:28:53.000 Did you believe him?

01:28:55.000 She's like, Kaiser Sosa. 1.00

01:28:57.000 She's giving you some fucking riddles. 1.00

01:28:59.000 Yeah, she was trying to do that all week long. 0.99

01:29:01.000 Even in the weigh-in, after the weigh-ins and stuff.

01:29:04.000 All kinds of stuff. 1.00

01:29:05.000 Weird mind-fucking shit. 1.00

01:29:06.000 Hey yo man, Rose came back to the locker room. 1.00

01:29:08.000 Now we're ready. 0.99

01:29:09.000 All week we've been deflecting shit. 1.00

01:29:11.000 We've been deflecting shit. 1.00

01:29:12.000 Now Rose is a very emotional person. 0.99

01:29:13.000 We gotta keep Rose straight because she comes in with the wrong look on her face. 1.00

01:29:18.000 Uh oh, something's wrong.

01:29:19.000 She goes off and does the drug test and comes back and when she sat down, she sits down and says...

01:29:25.000 We have to have a meeting.

01:29:27.000 Now, that's code. 0.95

01:29:28.000 We have to have a meeting is code for shut it down, everybody get the fuck out, we're bouncing. 0.64

01:29:33.000 We have to have a meeting is kind of another way of saying start the countdown, we're leaving. 0.89

01:29:37.000 We have to have a meeting. 0.99

01:29:38.000 And when she said that, the way she said it, everything came over me like, oh, fuck, what happened? 0.99

01:29:43.000 And then when she said what Ioana said in the back, what Ioana told her, do you believe him? 0.99

01:29:47.000 Did you buy the ticket?

01:29:49.000 And then left without any explanation. 1.00

01:29:51.000 Yo, when Rose said that to me, my fucking head exploded. 1.00

01:29:55.000 And the only thing I could say was, oh, shit, I don't want to have to fucking think about this all night. 1.00

01:30:00.000 That's literally what he said. 1.00

01:30:02.000 I was like, oh, she fucked you too? 1.00

01:30:04.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:30:05.000 Damn. 1.00

01:30:06.000 Man, we've deflected everything. 1.00

01:30:08.000 She is a Jedi Master.

01:30:09.000 I wish she does. 1.00

01:30:10.000 Like, she's the shit, you know? 1.00

01:30:13.000 Well, she's been a multiple-time world Muay Thai champion, and she just knows how to fuck with people. 1.00

01:30:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:30:18.000 Bruh, we deflected everything. 0.99

01:30:20.000 We deflected the knuckles in the mouth and the crazy shit that she was saying. 1.00

01:30:24.000 Everything. 0.99

01:30:24.000 And if she came and said that one, we spent a good five minutes. 0.99

01:30:28.000 Which, by the way, our ticket is what maybe she was like, maybe she delayed our plane or something like that.

01:30:35.000 Just like making all these conspiracies in our head.

01:30:38.000 For a good three or four minutes, Trevor, Tony, Rose, and I all sat in the locker room.

01:30:45.000 Just like silent.

01:30:47.000 Because that was the little thing that could have fucked everything up.

01:30:53.000 Because I know I was sitting there like, what does that mean?

01:30:56.000 What does that mean?

01:30:58.000 She says, do you believe him? 0.99

01:31:00.000 But you had to know it was horseshit, right? 0.99

01:31:02.000 You had to know what she was doing. 0.97

01:31:04.000 It's just in that moment. 1.00

01:31:06.000 Like if you ran into someone at the fucking 7-Eleven and they said something like that, you'd be like, this crazy asshole. 1.00

01:31:12.000 It'll be out of your head in a minute. 1.00

01:31:13.000 But she said it with a calm voice and then just walked off. 1.00

01:31:17.000 No accent.

01:31:18.000 No accent.

01:31:22.000 Just said it real calm.

01:31:24.000 To the point where there's even a chance, and I think this one, there's even a chance you want to No recollection of that.

01:31:33.000 What?

01:31:34.000 I don't know, man.

01:31:35.000 I was just like, roses be spooky sometimes, man.

01:31:38.000 So there's a chance that, just with the way the whole week went, that maybe that was, let's say, God or a higher being or something like that.

01:31:46.000 Maybe that was the last test. 0.99

01:31:48.000 Do you fucking believe him? 0.99

01:31:50.000 Did you buy the ticket and then just walked off? 1.00

01:31:53.000 That was a test of whether or not... 1.00

01:31:55.000 Are we going to get all the way down to right here and you're going to be fucked in the head now? 0.99

01:31:58.000 Which, by the way, something... 0.98

01:31:59.000 Now this is after the fact, remastering the system.

01:32:04.000 Which, by the way, in the moment, something inside of me, I was like, I don't know what she's talking about, but just gave her the thumbs up. 0.99

01:32:10.000 Like, yeah, motherfucker, I believe in him. 0.99

01:32:13.000 I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. 1.00

01:32:15.000 Yeah, I bought all the tickets! 1.00

01:32:17.000 I bought all the tickets, bitch! 1.00

01:32:19.000 Woo! 1.00

01:32:22.000 Yeah.

01:32:23.000 Hey, yo, man.

01:32:24.000 I don't know.

01:32:25.000 We were in the locker room, and really, Rose had to get up to go and do something over there. 1.00

01:32:29.000 And when she got up over there, I turned to Trevor, and Tony said, hey, yo, we in some... 0.99

01:32:32.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:32:34.000 That is so crazy! 1.00

01:32:35.000 That one little silly thing where she was just trying to fuck with your head actually works. 1.00

01:32:40.000 Got it. 1.00

01:32:40.000 For about three minutes we were fucked up. 1.00

01:32:42.000 Isn't it amazing that shit like that works? 1.00

01:32:44.000 It's just like a little mind fuck. 1.00

01:32:46.000 What? 1.00

01:32:47.000 How?

01:32:48.000 What ticket?

01:32:49.000 Who am I believing?

01:32:53.000 She's a wizard. 1.00

01:32:55.000 When she came back and said that shit, I sat there and started thinking, I was like, what did I do? 1.00

01:32:58.000 Now, do you think at all about... 1.00

01:33:00.000 You don't think at all about doing that back to her. 0.99

01:33:02.000 I mean, you just fucked her up in the first round. 0.99

01:33:04.000 Right. 0.98

01:33:05.000 So, like, what...

01:33:06.000 Do you say that to her?

01:33:06.000 I think I did.

01:33:07.000 Like, I did fuck her up in the head, though. 1.00

01:33:08.000 Oh, you definitely did. 1.00

01:33:10.000 You fucked me up, and I was about to interview you. 0.99

01:33:12.000 I'm like, she's got this thousand-yard stare, and she's... 0.99

01:33:14.000 And I was like, what were you saying?

01:33:16.000 And you're like, I was saying the Lord's Prayer.

01:33:17.000 I was like, oh, Jesus Christ.

01:33:19.000 Right.

01:33:19.000 Like, it was like the devil and a priest.

01:33:22.000 It was like the two of you together.

01:33:23.000 It was like you were doing like an exorcist.

01:33:25.000 Right.

01:33:25.000 And she was, like, saying she was the boogie one.

01:33:27.000 But it was...

01:33:28.000 One of my favorite stare-downs and just the build-up.

01:33:31.000 The way you handled it was very interesting because most people handled it.

01:33:35.000 They'd get in her face too. 1.00

01:33:36.000 Fuck you, bitch. 1.00

01:33:37.000 And now she wins. 1.00

01:33:38.000 Like, Claudia and her would get together.

01:33:40.000 And I think that emotional, like...

01:33:44.000 The conflict and all the extra energy that's involved in that, like, it fucks with people's heads.

01:33:49.000 Right, right.

01:33:49.000 And that's what she's looking for.

01:33:50.000 I think over Ioana's career, she came in as the silent killer who was destroying everybody, and then she found out that if I start talking shit to someone, they get fucked in the head before the fight even happens, and then it worked and it worked and it worked, so it got to the point where she's, that, that, that almost... 0.93

01:34:06.000 That one weapon right there almost replaced some of the ferociousness in her fighting, maybe. 0.95

01:34:13.000 Knowing that.

01:34:14.000 And that is also why the game plan was to ghost Ioana no matter what happens.

01:34:21.000 We know that.

01:34:22.000 She needs a reaction. 0.98

01:34:23.000 She's looking for something.

01:34:25.000 No pictures, no videos, no social media, no interviews, no nothing.

01:34:28.000 And when she says something, don't even look at her.

01:34:30.000 She doesn't exist.

01:34:31.000 Just ghost her. 1.00

01:34:32.000 Ghosted the entire time.

01:34:33.000 And because we know for a fact that even before we were signed up to fight, she was thinking about me.

01:34:40.000 I was on the radar for a long time.

01:34:43.000 Yeah, of course.

01:34:44.000 You had to be.

01:34:45.000 I mean, there's a handful of contenders in the strawweight division, and you were at the top of the heap.

01:34:49.000 And especially after you beat Michelle.

01:34:51.000 Right.

01:34:52.000 Yeah.

01:34:54.000 That's how we knew it.

01:34:55.000 So no social media, no nothing.

01:34:56.000 We just went silent.

01:34:58.000 And it just feels better, you know, like not having to do all that, you know.

01:35:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:01.000 But I mean, it's fun, you know. 0.99

01:35:02.000 But does UFC put pressure on you to try to do that kind of shit? 0.99

01:35:04.000 No. 0.99

01:35:05.000 They did, but we so honestly said, not this time, that they just understood.

01:35:12.000 Yeah.

01:35:13.000 We very honestly said, that's not going to work out for us.

01:35:17.000 We need to prepare for this fight, and we need to be all the way ready.

01:35:21.000 Now, of course, there's some interviews that need to be done, but the other little things, like how come you're not posting about it, how come you're not retweeting this picture?

01:35:29.000 It's like, nope.

01:35:30.000 You know what would be hilarious? 0.99

01:35:31.000 If you did a bunch of shit that had nothing to do with the fight, almost like you're not even fighting. 0.99

01:35:36.000 Right, right. 1.00

01:35:36.000 I just found a cool Indian restaurant. 1.00

01:35:38.000 Yeah.

01:35:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:39.000 I know.

01:35:40.000 Seriously.

01:35:41.000 You know, oh, I love this movie.

01:35:43.000 It's hilarious.

01:35:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:45.000 Right, right. 0.99

01:35:46.000 No pad hitting, no shit talking, no motivational speeches. 0.98

01:35:51.000 I mean, because really, like, I think you should, like, show other sides of you other than just, like, I get kind of just bored just posting another group picture, another, like, oh, this is what I'm eating today, or, you know? 0.98

01:36:03.000 This is my workout today.

01:36:06.000 I don't know.

01:36:06.000 I mean, some of the workouts is definitely to be watched.

01:36:09.000 Like, we got some cool footage hiding away.

01:36:12.000 Yeah, but everybody happens.

01:36:14.000 Do you post that stuff after the fight?

01:36:16.000 Or do you think that any of the stuff that you post, like on workout footage, training footage, especially like working on technique, do you think that in any way that helps people read you?

01:36:27.000 I don't know, because it's totally different standing across from me in the ring.

01:36:29.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:30.000 Like, I could train, I mean, I train with Tisha Torres, you know, like, and we fought each other, we've lived in the same house together, like, for multiple weeks, you know, and I'll still fight her again, you know what I mean?

01:36:39.000 So it's like, it's not, it's, you can't, I mean, there's things you could pick up, yeah, but I'm gonna change it up on you.

01:36:45.000 I always got another ace in my pocket, you know.

01:36:48.000 Yeah, that's pretty cool.

01:36:49.000 I like to...

01:36:50.000 I don't want to keep everything to myself.

01:36:53.000 Like I said, I want to give.

01:36:57.000 It's a challenge to keep getting better.

01:37:00.000 It's so barely different, but it is still different how you can train together all day and night, but when the bell rings for a fight, it's totally different.

01:37:08.000 You ever hear stories of Clay Guida?

01:37:11.000 In the gym and in practice, we've been hearing for years that Clay Guida just gets thrown around at the gym all day and night, but when he gets in the ring, he can fight like a monster.

01:37:20.000 They can train together all day and night, but when it comes to fight time, it's just different.

01:37:25.000 I'm just confident in my ability that I'm really good at what I do.

01:37:28.000 And it makes it more fun to share it with people.

01:37:32.000 But I don't want to give all my secrets away.

01:37:35.000 You know?

01:37:36.000 You have to keep making up new ones, you know?

01:37:38.000 Well, listen, Rose, I'm happy you're out there, because you're a lot of fun.

01:37:42.000 Thank you.

01:37:42.000 I really enjoyed calling your fights, and I really did enjoy that whole week.

01:37:47.000 All the press conferences and your behavior.

01:37:51.000 And I think, to this day, like I said, after your fight, that post-fight speech is one of my all-time favorites.

01:37:58.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:37:59.000 It was awesome, and it was very genuine, you know, and I think you guys have an awesome relationship.

01:38:03.000 It's very cool.

01:38:04.000 It's very cool to see you guys and how much he cares about you and the way you guys work together. 0.88

01:38:08.000 It's fucking awesome.

01:38:10.000 Yeah, yeah, hopefully we can maybe not make the Mona Lisa again, but, you know, make the Picasso or something. 0.85

01:38:16.000 We called Dana White and told them after the, when they were asking for the next fight, they were trying to get a sign of the contract.

01:38:21.000 We told them that she won the belt, so we were going to start a family.

01:38:26.000 She won the belt, so we're going to start a family now and come back in a few years.

01:38:29.000 What did he say?

01:38:30.000 They didn't like that at all. 1.00

01:38:31.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:38:31.000 He's like, nah, man, just kidding. 0.99

01:38:34.000 Just start a family.

01:38:35.000 April 7th, pay-per-view.

01:38:37.000 I'm going to be there, and I can't wait.

01:38:39.000 Thank you, Pat Berry.

01:38:40.000 Thank you, Rose.

01:38:41.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 31, 2010

JRE MMA Show #13 with Rose Namajunas & Pat Barry

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