The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #131 with Mighty Mouse

00:00:00.000 Joe Rogan podcast, check it out The Joe Rogan experience Join by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day What's happening my friend?

00:00:13.000 Good to see you.

00:00:14.000 Good to see you too.

00:00:15.000 Good to see you thriving out there in the world.

00:00:17.000 Just trying to do my best.

00:00:18.000 Dude, you're killing it.

00:00:19.000 It's beautiful.

00:00:20.000 Beautiful.

00:00:21.000 That comeback win was fucking fantastic.

00:00:23.000 Thanks, man.

00:00:24.000 It was great to see.

00:00:24.000 Thank you.

00:00:25.000 How the fuck are you still so good?

00:00:27.000 You haven't slipped at all.

00:00:29.000 Uh...

00:00:30.000 Honestly, I think it's just the training, my mindset, the team around me, and just honestly trying to get better every single time I step in the cage.

00:00:39.000 The lighter weight classes, though, I've always felt like there's a short window of excellence.

00:00:45.000 You know, like even in boxing, it seems like it's like nine, ten years at peak form, but you defy that.

00:00:52.000 You know, you really do, man.

00:00:53.000 Yeah.

00:00:54.000 You're still like as good as ever.

00:00:57.000 It could be because I'm black.

00:00:58.000 It could be my genetics.

00:00:59.000 I have no idea.

00:01:01.000 It can't just be that.

00:01:03.000 There's a lot of people that are also black that haven't been able to do that.

00:01:06.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:01:07.000 I think what you're saying is it's also technique.

00:01:10.000 Your technique has always been paramount.

00:01:12.000 You know, it's always like the forefront of everything.

00:01:14.000 I honestly believe it's probably just my upbringing in mixed martial arts.

00:01:18.000 Right?

00:01:18.000 And even, you know, I was talking to people the other day and I said, I started when I was 18, like in martial arts.

00:01:24.000 If you count, some people don't count wrestling as martial arts.

00:01:28.000 Oh, you should.

00:01:28.000 Right?

00:01:29.000 I do.

00:01:29.000 Yeah, I do.

00:01:30.000 So I started in middle school.

00:01:32.000 And then once I got out of high school, I didn't go to college to wrestle.

00:01:35.000 I jumped right into mixed martial arts.

00:01:37.000 So I think, you know, Matt, he made me do...

00:01:41.000 One fight at MMA. Then the next fight was boxing.

00:01:45.000 Mixed martial arts.

00:01:46.000 They kick boxing.

00:01:47.000 Back to MMA. Shoot boxing.

00:01:50.000 And then he was like, hey, you got to do this grappling tournament and you need to submit everybody.

00:01:53.000 Don't come back if you don't, right?

00:01:58.000 He's a hard man.

00:02:00.000 At the time when he was doing that, I didn't know what he was...

00:02:04.000 Pepper me for, right?

00:02:05.000 I honestly didn't like I was working full-time And I was still an amateur, but I would do these These things he told me to do and then now when I get into my fights or when I do things I'm able to you know Go back to my beginning and be like, okay, I face this before and I'm able to just keep keep getting better my foundation is so solid that I That's what's been able to keep me on top for so long.

00:02:32.000 Well, I think that really helped you in that mixed fight with Rod King.

00:02:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:36.000 Because that was a wild proposition.

00:02:39.000 I was like, whoa, this is going to be interesting.

00:02:43.000 And props to him for taking that.

00:02:45.000 Because he had to know after round one.

00:02:48.000 I wasn't getting that ass after round one.

00:02:51.000 Well, so when they offered that to me, I was like, I was on the couch with a wife.

00:02:55.000 We should explain to everybody what the rules were.

00:02:57.000 Yeah, so...

00:02:58.000 The rules were, the first round, so if you guys don't know who Ra-Tang is, he's one of the best, probably the best Muay Thai fighters in the world.

00:03:06.000 People put him at pound for pound.

00:03:08.000 He's a fucking beast.

00:03:09.000 He just walks through these people.

00:03:11.000 He's a beast, dude.

00:03:12.000 So, the first round was Muay Thai.

00:03:15.000 I could not grapple.

00:03:17.000 I could not, you know...

00:03:19.000 Yeah, so right here, when he broke me up, I was trying to lock him up like a body lock, like a takedown.

00:03:26.000 Was it a three-minute round or a five-minute round?

00:03:28.000 Three-minute round, right?

00:03:29.000 And so the first round was Muay Thai, and the second round was MMA. Fourth round's going to be, third round's going to be Muay Thai, and the fourth round was MMA. So I knew the first round was going to be, you know, very difficult.

00:03:42.000 But right there, as you see, I'm trying to hold him.

00:03:44.000 I can't, like, I literally was over my hands and not trying to grab him as I would if it was MMA. Were you allowed to clinch?

00:03:52.000 Because Muay Thai involves a lot of clinch work.

00:03:54.000 What was the rules there?

00:03:55.000 So you are a lot of clinch, but if you watch any of the Muay Thai in one championship, they don't actually...

00:04:00.000 I feel they don't give the athletes enough time to actually fight and dominate in the clinch.

00:04:05.000 I feel the same way because I was watching Rod Tang's last fight.

00:04:08.000 And they break them up immediately.

00:04:10.000 And I'm like, stop!

00:04:11.000 Why do you think they do that?

00:04:13.000 I don't know.

00:04:14.000 They're trying to make it more action-packed?

00:04:16.000 More action-packed and probably push the...

00:04:21.000 Just the action, right?

00:04:22.000 But for me, I feel like in Muay Thai, if somebody can be very dominant in the clinch, then that's part of the sport, right?

00:04:28.000 How dangerous did you feel him in the first round?

00:04:31.000 I think the last time I got rocked in any of my fights was probably John Dodson, and he gave me that same feeling again.

00:04:42.000 But it was fun.

00:04:43.000 It was fun just exchanging with them.

00:04:46.000 I think having this fight was good for my career and good for my confidence.

00:04:52.000 To come off a loss against Adriano and then come back and fight another Tough striker.

00:04:58.000 It was just...

00:05:00.000 Right there, you see how I'm like this?

00:05:01.000 Yeah, right.

00:05:02.000 You can't.

00:05:03.000 I can't.

00:05:03.000 Like, I didn't want to...

00:05:04.000 Like, right there, I would have blown through fucking double leg or I would have done a knee tap.

00:05:08.000 So that was the hardest thing.

00:05:09.000 And then, you know, there's a point in time where, like...

00:05:12.000 But you stayed competitive with him.

00:05:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:14.000 Even though the first round was clearly the round that he wanted to turn on the gas because he's...

00:05:20.000 You know, that's his world.

00:05:22.000 Yeah.

00:05:23.000 Well, the game plan was to, you know, avoid and not take damage.

00:05:26.000 But I told Matt, I was like, dog, I was like, I didn't come over here to Singapore to get yellow card.

00:05:30.000 Like, they're not taking 10% of my purse.

00:05:33.000 And I said, if they tell me action, and they're like, I'm going to warn you, I'm going to look at you, and I'm going to wink and go...

00:05:38.000 It's been a good ride.

00:05:40.000 I'm just gonna go.

00:05:41.000 So when he hit me the first time, I was like, fuck this.

00:05:44.000 We're going.

00:05:44.000 I'm just gonna fight.

00:05:45.000 If I get knocked out, I get knocked out.

00:05:46.000 If I don't, then hey, we got the second round.

00:05:48.000 But you definitely tagged him a bunch.

00:05:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:51.000 You made it a very competitive, like right there.

00:05:53.000 One, two.

00:05:54.000 But that motherfucker can take a shot like nobody.

00:05:57.000 It's weird.

00:05:58.000 Yep.

00:05:59.000 He stands there and lets guys punch him in the face.

00:06:01.000 Who the fuck does that at an elite level other than Anderson in his prime?

00:06:05.000 I think the last person I hit that hard was Ali Bogatinov.

00:06:09.000 I remember I was fighting him, and I remember kneeing him in the jaw and feeling his jaw shift in the fight.

00:06:15.000 And I was like, I'm not going to knock you out.

00:06:16.000 I'm going to destroy my body before I knock you out.

00:06:19.000 And I remember going home, my knees were the size of grapefruits from just hitting him so much.

00:06:24.000 I'm like...

00:06:25.000 Well, Ali was on the sauce, too.

00:06:26.000 Well, yeah, too, but...

00:06:28.000 That was the last time I fought someone and I was like, holy shit, you can take a beating.

00:06:32.000 He got popped for EPO, right?

00:06:34.000 It was EPO, yep.

00:06:35.000 EPO. I remember my father-in-law, he was back there with me.

00:06:39.000 I did my drug test and I walked past Ali.

00:06:43.000 He was sitting there drinking water, but I take his drug test.

00:06:45.000 And my father-in-law goes, I'm telling you right now, No man can take a beating like that and be able to walk away.

00:06:51.000 There's something not right here.

00:06:53.000 And sure enough, I'm at home playing video games.

00:06:55.000 Erwani is like, hey, did you hear the news?

00:06:57.000 I'm like, no, you're bothering me right now.

00:06:58.000 What do you want?

00:06:59.000 He goes, he popped the EPO. And I was like, and?

00:07:01.000 Like...

00:07:02.000 I don't give a shit.

00:07:03.000 I'm playing games.

00:07:03.000 Bye!

00:07:04.000 And beep!

00:07:05.000 But hey, it is in the past.

00:07:08.000 He was good, though.

00:07:09.000 He was good.

00:07:10.000 He was strong.

00:07:11.000 But it makes sense that he was on EPO because his cardio was off the charts.

00:07:15.000 That was the biggest thing we saw in breaking him down in a fight is that if we put the pressure on him, eventually he's going to break like he has in his other fights.

00:07:24.000 And then when he didn't, we're like, huh, he's still here.

00:07:27.000 Good thing we're prepared, but he shouldn't be here right now.

00:07:30.000 But he was.

00:07:31.000 Yeah.

00:07:33.000 So this Rod Tang fight, one of the things that's very interesting about 1FC is how they're just really mixing everything up.

00:07:40.000 They've got grappling matches, you know, Mikey Musumechi's over there competing, Gary Tonin, the Rotolo brothers.

00:07:47.000 It's very wild what they're doing.

00:07:49.000 They're having Muay Thai matches, kickboxing matches.

00:07:52.000 We had one boxing match, which was for a WBC title.

00:07:55.000 Really?

00:07:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:56.000 It was...

00:07:57.000 Boxing gloves?

00:07:58.000 Boxing gloves.

00:07:59.000 Full-blown boxing.

00:08:00.000 Like, it was a world title fight.

00:08:04.000 That's one of the things I love about one championship is that they're mixing it up, right?

00:08:07.000 So when I got the opportunity to go over there and compete, like, I knew I had the opportunity to do something fun like I did with Rod Tane, right?

00:08:13.000 Now, was it difficult to make that decision to leave the UFC? Because you were, you know, coming off of a very close, controversial loss to Henry Cejudo.

00:08:24.000 Very close fight.

00:08:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:25.000 You know, it was, like, mostly the wrestling.

00:08:28.000 A couple takedowns that he got.

00:08:29.000 Yeah, it was a couple takedowns.

00:08:31.000 And I think I relied too much on a lay kicks.

00:08:33.000 Like, in that fight, I couldn't get him down to the ground.

00:08:36.000 The striking scene on the feet, like, with the hands, it seemed like it was pretty even.

00:08:40.000 I think I outlanded him.

00:08:41.000 Like, when you look at the shrike copybox strike.

00:08:45.000 Numbers, but I felt like I relied too much on the leg kicks because I was fucking tearing those legs up.

00:08:49.000 Well, you hurt his leg real bad in that first round.

00:08:52.000 Yes.

00:08:52.000 He got that drop foot thing going on.

00:08:54.000 Yep, he had the drop thing going on, but I was like, I couldn't get there with the hands, right?

00:08:58.000 I couldn't knock it with the hands, so I was like, you know what?

00:09:00.000 I'm going to tear your leg up.

00:09:02.000 Kept on tearing the leg up when the fight ended.

00:09:05.000 And I was like, ah, he probably got it.

00:09:07.000 I was like, he beat me.

00:09:08.000 And then they read the scorecard and I was like, huh, it is what it is.

00:09:11.000 Like, what are you going to do?

00:09:13.000 So what was the decision after that?

00:09:15.000 Like, what was that like?

00:09:16.000 So it was frustrating.

00:09:19.000 But then, you know, at the time I was like, I wonder if I can do something different.

00:09:23.000 Because I was going in the back, and at the time, Maki was managing me.

00:09:29.000 He still is.

00:09:29.000 He was like, you tell me what you want to do, bro.

00:09:33.000 You just let me know, and we'll figure it out.

00:09:35.000 And I was like, I wonder if I get out of my contract.

00:09:37.000 I was like, try to do something different.

00:09:39.000 Because at the time...

00:09:41.000 I looked at it this way.

00:09:42.000 If I were to fight Henry Sciuto again for the third time, it could have gone either two ways.

00:09:47.000 One, I beat Henry, then I'm still stuck in the same situation I am right now when, at the time, they're trying to get rid of, they're in talks about getting rid of the fight with division, right?

00:09:56.000 Or two, if I lose to Henry, then I'm still stuck in the same position.

00:09:59.000 I just lost him again.

00:10:00.000 So why not see if I can go explore other options, right?

00:10:04.000 And then that's when the trade talks came about.

00:10:06.000 And so the UFC just said, fine, go ahead?

00:10:08.000 Well, there was more to it, right?

00:10:10.000 I mean, obviously, you know, Chacha just talked about it.

00:10:15.000 I heard you had something to do with it as well.

00:10:17.000 Really?

00:10:17.000 Yeah, I did.

00:10:18.000 What did I have to do with it?

00:10:19.000 Well, I'll get to that point.

00:10:21.000 So...

00:10:22.000 Obviously, you know, they want it.

00:10:25.000 Ben Askren has been wanting to fight in the UFC for a long time, right?

00:10:28.000 And then, so one championship in the UFC, we're talking back and forth between Hunter and Matt Hume and Malky.

00:10:35.000 So they're like, hey, let's do a trade, right?

00:10:38.000 Like, we'll give you Ben Askren for Demetrius Johnson.

00:10:41.000 Oh.

00:10:41.000 And then at one point, I heard that, you know, Dana was like, nah, I don't want to make that happen, right?

00:10:47.000 I don't know the full.

00:10:48.000 I'm not in the room where all the puzzle pieces are being shifted.

00:10:52.000 And then I was hanging out somewhere, and then somebody said, you know, Joe Rogan had a piece in it.

00:10:57.000 And I was like, really?

00:10:57.000 He goes, yeah.

00:10:58.000 And I was told that you kind of convinced him.

00:11:01.000 I'm like, who gives a shit?

00:11:01.000 Like, just get Ben Askren or something like that.

00:11:03.000 So, yeah, I know, right?

00:11:06.000 That's not really accurate.

00:11:08.000 No, I definitely was trying to get them to get Ben Askren, but I was trying to get them to get Ben Askren back when he was at Bellator, when he was in his prime.

00:11:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:17.000 You know, I was like, listen, man, this guy has wrestled fucking everybody.

00:11:20.000 I want to see if he could do that to the whole division.

00:11:23.000 Like, when Ben was in his prime, when he did that to Koroskov, when he did that to Douglas Lima, I was like, you got to understand how crazy this is, that this guy can do this to everybody.

00:11:33.000 Yeah.

00:11:33.000 And people say, oh, it's boring.

00:11:35.000 It's boring.

00:11:36.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:11:37.000 It's fighting.

00:11:38.000 Yep.

00:11:38.000 This guy is imposing his style on these murderers.

00:11:42.000 Yeah.

00:11:43.000 I mean, Koroskov was a murderer and Douglas Lima is a fucking savage.

00:11:47.000 Yep.

00:11:47.000 And he was just ragdolling these dudes and doing it in weird ways.

00:11:49.000 I remember he has a funky style.

00:11:52.000 About doing things.

00:11:53.000 And I remember somebody said he was training with him, and he was able to twist and turn a certain way to where if a normal human being would do it, they would tear their cartilage in their ribs.

00:12:02.000 And he was able to do that and bring him back to where he was.

00:12:05.000 And I was like, yeah, dude, that's a freak right there.

00:12:07.000 Well, he's always wrestled like that because he's not like a physically imposing guy.

00:12:11.000 I'm sure he's very strong because he's been wrestling his whole life.

00:12:14.000 But his style was always like this is weird style that was very difficult for people to understand.

00:12:19.000 So they would try to like do traditional shit with him and all of a sudden they'd be on their back.

00:12:24.000 Yeah, it just didn't work.

00:12:25.000 By the time we got him though, he was already fucked up.

00:12:27.000 He needed a hip replacement.

00:12:30.000 And he was already retired, right?

00:12:31.000 And so that's what I heard.

00:12:33.000 And so when they wanted to do that trade, they were like, yeah, we'll take Demetrius over Ben because Demetrius is still active and he's still, you know, still...

00:12:42.000 I always look at myself as a workhorse, right?

00:12:44.000 Like, I will...

00:12:46.000 You're paying me to fight, I'm going to fight, right?

00:12:48.000 And so I think it was a no-brainer for them, and that's how it happened.

00:12:52.000 Well, I definitely would have kept you in the UFC, so that's not...

00:12:55.000 I'm sorry, sweetheart.

00:12:57.000 I mean, if you look at guys like Davidson Figueredo, Brandon Moreno, there's some amazing fights for you.

00:13:02.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:13:02.000 And the flyweight division has sort of risen up now.

00:13:05.000 There's a lot of very interesting contenders now.

00:13:08.000 But I don't have any say in what goes down.

00:13:12.000 I'm not the guy in the negotiating room.

00:13:14.000 Why am I saying you're the one I was like, we need to make this happen.

00:13:17.000 Okay, we need to make it happen.

00:13:18.000 I just heard that you kind of had some type of persuasion, I guess you can say, when you guys were out and about.

00:13:24.000 But that's what I've been told.

00:13:26.000 Like I said, I don't know the full story because I'm just an athlete.

00:13:29.000 I'm just, hey, this is what I want.

00:13:31.000 Can you guys make it happen?

00:13:32.000 Then I let the higher-ups like Hunter, Matt Hume, Malky, they're doing all the pieces.

00:13:37.000 And then, you know, shit, for all I know, that could have been a fucking rumor.

00:13:40.000 Right?

00:13:40.000 Yeah, it's definitely a rumor.

00:13:41.000 Oh, well, there you go.

00:13:42.000 It's a rumor.

00:13:43.000 Don't believe everything you hear.

00:13:44.000 But I definitely was excited to see Ben Askren come over to the UFC. And also, as a Fight fan, I was excited to see you go over to one.

00:13:54.000 Yeah.

00:13:54.000 Because the same way I was excited to see Eddie Alvarez over there.

00:13:58.000 And I think we need more...

00:14:01.000 More competition is good.

00:14:03.000 It's good for everybody.

00:14:04.000 And what you're seeing now with 1FC is these world-class fucking guys.

00:14:09.000 Who's that guy that just fought John Lineker and broke his cup?

00:14:12.000 Fabricio Andrade.

00:14:13.000 Fucking beast, man.

00:14:15.000 Fucking beast.

00:14:16.000 He's a nasty man.

00:14:17.000 Fucking beast.

00:14:18.000 And I'm like, look, man, these guys are out there.

00:14:21.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:22.000 The thing is, like, there's only so many slots in the UFC. Yep.

00:14:25.000 And every now and then, a guy like Shavkat, Rachmanov, comes on, you're like, where the fuck did this guy come from?

00:14:30.000 Well, those dudes are out there in the world.

00:14:32.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:32.000 They're kickboxers, they're sambo guys, they're jiu-jitsu guys.

00:14:35.000 They're out there in the world.

00:14:36.000 Yeah, I think Fabrice Andrade, absolutely amazing.

00:14:39.000 That fight against him and John Lineker...

00:14:41.000 Bro, he was putting the boots to Lineker.

00:14:43.000 Yeah, and he was timing that fucking hook.

00:14:45.000 Because John Lineker, he throws punches straight hardly, but it's usually the wild winged punches, right?

00:14:51.000 And with Fabrizio being so much taller than him, he's able to, you know, have good rhythm, throw that lead punch.

00:14:57.000 I mean, right here, he was just like, boom!

00:14:59.000 He nailed him with that knee to the body, but then unfortunately followed up with one right in the cup.

00:15:05.000 Boom!

00:15:05.000 Yeah, first off, why is John Lenniker wearing a plastic cup?

00:15:08.000 I know, right?

00:15:10.000 Why doesn't he have one of those diamond MMA cups?

00:15:12.000 Like, I have a steel cup, and it still hurts.

00:15:14.000 Oh, you have a steel cup?

00:15:15.000 Oh, hell yeah, I have a steel cup.

00:15:16.000 They allow you to wear steel cups?

00:15:16.000 You're goddamn right.

00:15:17.000 Gotta protect these balls, baby.

00:15:18.000 I understand.

00:15:19.000 Yeah.

00:15:20.000 I understand.

00:15:20.000 You're a father.

00:15:21.000 Absolutely.

00:15:22.000 Well, I don't need him anymore, but I just don't want to have him.

00:15:24.000 You're done?

00:15:24.000 Oh, hell yeah, I'm done.

00:15:26.000 Absolutely.

00:15:27.000 But the steel cup is kind of fucked up.

00:15:29.000 Why?

00:15:30.000 Because it's metal.

00:15:31.000 Because you're hitting metal.

00:15:33.000 I'm a duck.

00:15:33.000 You really shouldn't hit it.

00:15:35.000 You're hitting my balls.

00:15:36.000 You definitely shouldn't hit it.

00:15:37.000 Okay.

00:15:37.000 But, you know, you could accidentally break your foot on metal.

00:15:41.000 I can accidentally break my foot on your elbow.

00:15:43.000 I guess you could.

00:15:44.000 Yeah.

00:15:44.000 Well, it definitely happens.

00:15:46.000 Yep.

00:15:46.000 But I feel like it should be...

00:15:48.000 Like, the Diamond MMA Cup, I think, is the perfect balance.

00:15:51.000 Because it's a compression cup.

00:15:52.000 It's hard as fuck.

00:15:53.000 You could take a solid shot.

00:15:54.000 Is it hard as steel?

00:15:55.000 It's definitely not.

00:15:56.000 Okay, well there we go.

00:15:57.000 But there's advantages to the diamond cup, or excuse me, to the steel cup, that I feel like might be a little unfair, particularly with leverage in arm bars.

00:16:06.000 Because it creates a fulcrum.

00:16:07.000 Like, you've got a steel thing, and you're bending the elbow over a steel thing.

00:16:12.000 Yep, absolutely.

00:16:13.000 Yeah, you like it.

00:16:14.000 I love it!

00:16:15.000 Kenny Florian told me that too.

00:16:17.000 He always fought with a steel cup on him.

00:16:18.000 Like, for me...

00:16:20.000 I've been kicked in the balls before.

00:16:22.000 I think it was my second Ian McCall fight.

00:16:28.000 I kicked in the balls, going home, and you got your testicles.

00:16:34.000 You have your wires behind it, right?

00:16:36.000 And next thing you know, I'm like, holy shit, like, my balls hurt.

00:16:39.000 It's like two weeks, three weeks.

00:16:41.000 And next thing you know, I'm like, something's wrong, babe.

00:16:43.000 Like, something is wrong.

00:16:44.000 So I go to the doctor, and he's like, you know, check underneath there.

00:16:47.000 He goes, do you got a hernia?

00:16:48.000 I was like, you're fucking lying.

00:16:50.000 He goes, yeah, you got a hernia.

00:16:51.000 So I was about to get surgery to fix a hernia.

00:16:54.000 Then my wife was like, let's get a second opinion, right?

00:16:57.000 I go to another doctor, and he's checking underneath there, and he goes, oh, Doug, your wires are swollen.

00:17:05.000 You don't have a hernia.

00:17:06.000 And so he was like, you just need a proxen to get that inflammation out of your sac, essentially.

00:17:12.000 You need a what to get that?

00:17:14.000 Naproxen.

00:17:15.000 Naproxen?

00:17:15.000 I think it's naproxen.

00:17:16.000 It's anti-inflammatory.

00:17:18.000 So I took some of that and that cleared it up.

00:17:20.000 But just from that kick, and I think this time I was wearing a plastic cup.

00:17:24.000 He kicked me there and my shirt was worn.

00:17:26.000 I was like, yeah, never again.

00:17:27.000 I'm not going to wear a fucking plastic cup.

00:17:28.000 I'm wearing a steel cup because...

00:17:31.000 Kicked in the balls and needing the balls.

00:17:32.000 It's definitely the best protection.

00:17:34.000 Yeah, so that's why I wear it.

00:17:35.000 You know, like, even now I've been grappling in the gi.

00:17:38.000 Like, I still wear my cup when I grapple in the gi.

00:17:40.000 I trained with this dude once who had a steel cup on and we were grappling and he mounted me and put his steel cup in my fucking solar plexus with grapevines.

00:17:51.000 Yeah.

00:17:52.000 And I was like, God damn, dude, that's fucked up.

00:17:55.000 It was so hard.

00:17:57.000 It was just a metal piece just digging into your chest.

00:18:00.000 And he was a little bigger than me, too, so he was like, all this weight on me.

00:18:04.000 He was like...

00:18:05.000 He's basically dick-fucking me with a metal piece.

00:18:08.000 I guess you could say that.

00:18:09.000 It's rude.

00:18:10.000 I mean, I don't do that, right?

00:18:11.000 Thank you.

00:18:12.000 Yeah, I don't do that.

00:18:13.000 And for me, if my opponent wants to wear a steel cup, please do.

00:18:16.000 I will insist you do wear a steel cup because, you know, I can't promise that my kicks aren't going to make it up there.

00:18:22.000 I mean, well, I don't want to.

00:18:23.000 Shit happens, they collide.

00:18:24.000 I'd rather you do everything you can to protect your balls.

00:18:27.000 Whether you want to wear plastic.

00:18:28.000 Well, if you guys have lost balls, You know, there was a guy who was one of the Miltich guys who, uh, he was training and he didn't wear a cup for like the last round.

00:18:37.000 He's like, last round, just like light sparring.

00:18:39.000 Now it's gonna happen.

00:18:40.000 And some dude kicked him and his ball exploded.

00:18:42.000 It's happened a bunch of times.

00:18:44.000 You see?

00:18:44.000 See, now you're on my side.

00:18:45.000 You're gonna go home like, I need a steel cup.

00:18:48.000 Yeah, I really like the diamonds, those diamond MMA cups, because they come with compression shorts and they really cinch up tight.

00:18:54.000 I have to look into it because I... It's funny because when I do grapple, they're like, why do you have that cup on?

00:18:59.000 And I was like, I was really grappling the other night, and a guy tried to kick me over, kicked me straight, straight in the balls.

00:19:06.000 And I was like, and it went, like, dong.

00:19:09.000 And I was like, you see, that's why I have that on.

00:19:11.000 Because if Rudy hit me there, I would have tapped.

00:19:13.000 I'm like, I need 15 minutes to rest because you hit my balls.

00:19:15.000 Right.

00:19:15.000 And hopefully you didn't damage them.

00:19:17.000 Hopefully it's just a bruise.

00:19:19.000 Exactly.

00:19:19.000 Yeah, balls are fucking terrible design, God.

00:19:23.000 Why'd you put them on the outside like that?

00:19:24.000 I'll put two things and let it hang there and don't let them get hit because it's going to hurt extremely bad.

00:19:29.000 How about some more time in the design and implementation phase of the human being?

00:19:35.000 He's like, I got all this extra stuff.

00:19:39.000 It's the case with all animals.

00:19:41.000 I was watching a lion kill a zebra the other day because I'm a mess.

00:19:45.000 Yeah.

00:19:46.000 And that's my algorithm.

00:19:48.000 And so I was watching this lion kill a zebra and it was horrible because the lions had the zebra down like a couple lions and one lion just goes right to the sack.

00:19:56.000 That's my sack!

00:19:57.000 That's mine!

00:19:57.000 Don't touch it!

00:19:58.000 And she's just pulling the nut sack off of this zebra.

00:20:01.000 I'm like, God damn it.

00:20:04.000 What a terrible design.

00:20:05.000 It's a faulty design in all the species, right?

00:20:08.000 Yeah, all of them.

00:20:10.000 All the male species.

00:20:11.000 Like the whole planet, except for crustaceans and fish and snakes and shit.

00:20:17.000 But everybody else, nuts are on the outside.

00:20:20.000 Yeah.

00:20:20.000 Reptiles.

00:20:21.000 Well, you know, maybe we'll evolve and something will happen.

00:20:25.000 Who knows?

00:20:26.000 Maybe.

00:20:27.000 Maybe.

00:20:27.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:20:29.000 Jamie, son of a bitch.

00:20:31.000 Jamie goes right to it.

00:20:34.000 It's so horrible, man.

00:20:36.000 Look at her.

00:20:36.000 She's just pulling on that sack.

00:20:39.000 Bro, you can see more...

00:20:41.000 Oh!

00:20:42.000 You can see more ruthless shit online.

00:20:45.000 I was watching online today.

00:20:46.000 I saw a dude kill a dude with an axe.

00:20:49.000 I was just like on my Instagram feed.

00:20:52.000 My Instagram feed.

00:20:53.000 Some dude is at a store holding onto an axe and he's like swinging the axe.

00:20:57.000 The dude is sitting there on his phone and this guy just axes him in the middle of his forehead.

00:21:02.000 Just decides to fuck it and just swings and just buries the axe in this dude's head.

00:21:08.000 That's fucking horrible.

00:21:09.000 You should've been watching that stuff.

00:21:10.000 That's bad for you.

00:21:11.000 I couldn't help it.

00:21:12.000 It just showed up.

00:21:13.000 And I was like, is this motherfucker really gonna hit him with an axe on Instagram?

00:21:16.000 Like, yep.

00:21:17.000 Yeah.

00:21:17.000 Wow.

00:21:18.000 You see so much shit.

00:21:19.000 You see more mayhem, more chaos, more animals getting torn apart by lions and leopards and shit.

00:21:26.000 It's like, you see so much.

00:21:28.000 Yeah.

00:21:28.000 The internet is a dangerous place.

00:21:30.000 I try to stay off it as much as possible.

00:21:33.000 And the fact that you can see shit like that on the internet where somebody just gets axed in the forehead is absolutely crazy.

00:21:37.000 It's ridiculous.

00:21:38.000 The fact that it's on Instagram, I mean, I'm sure they pull it eventually.

00:21:41.000 Yeah.

00:21:41.000 But someone's got to report it.

00:21:42.000 I'm sure when it's on there, somebody took a screen capture, reported it, and then it's off, you know?

00:21:48.000 And then they put it on Reddit, and now it's on 4chan.

00:21:51.000 Exactly.

00:21:51.000 If it makes it on the internet, it's there forever.

00:21:53.000 Forever.

00:21:53.000 It's surfing around somebody's, you know...

00:21:57.000 You know, mainframe somewhere.

00:21:58.000 But on the plus side, like, if you're a martial artist, your access to techniques is off the charts.

00:22:05.000 1000%.

00:22:05.000 Like, when you started, when you were 18 years old, like, what year was that?

00:22:10.000 I'll say 2006. Yeah, there wasn't nearly as much available.

00:22:14.000 There was some.

00:22:15.000 Yeah.

00:22:15.000 It was definitely better than, like, starting in the 90s.

00:22:17.000 Oh, yeah, 2006. But what the fuck, man?

00:22:20.000 There's so much information now on technique, and you could watch so many different styles, so many different people competing, And Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu and wrestling and everything.

00:22:30.000 Yep.

00:22:30.000 Well, it's funny because when I'm grappling with my gi, I'll come back.

00:22:34.000 I'll see someone on Instagram.

00:22:35.000 I'm like, okay, I see that.

00:22:36.000 Okay.

00:22:37.000 I'll come in general.

00:22:37.000 I'm like, ah.

00:22:39.000 Ha!

00:22:39.000 Success!

00:22:40.000 It works!

00:22:40.000 And then I'll get them in a choke.

00:22:41.000 And I'm like, I learned that on Instagram.

00:22:43.000 They're like, shut the hell up!

00:22:44.000 I swear to God, just this morning.

00:22:46.000 But yeah, I think the internet could be a good place.

00:22:49.000 It could be a horrible place, right?

00:22:50.000 Well, that's humans.

00:22:52.000 Well, that's true.

00:22:52.000 Humans could be good or they could be horrible.

00:22:55.000 1000%.

00:22:55.000 The internet is just information.

00:22:57.000 Yeah.

00:22:57.000 So I think there's great information on the internet to get techniques to see how somebody done a certain move or how they're manipulating or shit to fix a car as well.

00:23:08.000 A lot of times when I have a problem, my wife's like, babe, I can't get this to work.

00:23:11.000 I'm like, hang up, baby.

00:23:12.000 I'll try it.

00:23:13.000 I'm like, let me go to my office real quick.

00:23:15.000 I gotta go read a book.

00:23:17.000 Okay, come back up like I'm a fucking genius.

00:23:20.000 Oh, you just gotta do this and this.

00:23:21.000 She goes, wow, good job.

00:23:23.000 I was like, yeah.

00:23:24.000 She doesn't know about the internet?

00:23:25.000 I mean, she does.

00:23:26.000 Keep her in the dark.

00:23:27.000 Keep her in the dark.

00:23:28.000 Keep her thinking that you're a wizard.

00:23:34.000 One is also streaming, right?

00:23:37.000 Is it on Amazon Prime now?

00:23:39.000 Amazon Prime.

00:23:39.000 That's great.

00:23:40.000 That is amazing.

00:23:42.000 After the TNT deal, I think we did four fights on TNT. I felt like TNT was really focused on AEW. Every single time you go on TNT, it was always AEW, AEW. Using us, I felt using us as a launcher platform to bring more fans to AEW from my perspective.

00:24:01.000 But when the deal happened with Amazon, I didn't know it did.

00:24:06.000 And then there's talks about, hey, we just landed a brand new US broadcast deal.

00:24:10.000 And I was like, okay, who could it be?

00:24:12.000 Is it...

00:24:13.000 You know, YouTube, who is it?

00:24:15.000 And they see it was actually Amazon.

00:24:18.000 Amazon, I was like, oh, this is a fucking game changer.

00:24:21.000 It is if Amazon gets behind it.

00:24:23.000 It is.

00:24:23.000 They are.

00:24:24.000 Are they getting behind it in terms of, like, publicity?

00:24:28.000 1000%.

00:24:29.000 Yeah, that's good.

00:24:29.000 I mean...

00:24:30.000 Because they have so much...

00:24:31.000 It's such a weird platform because you also can buy shoes.

00:24:35.000 Yep.

00:24:35.000 You know, you could buy fucking jumper cables.

00:24:38.000 You could buy anything.

00:24:39.000 You could buy anything.

00:24:40.000 You could buy a kidney on fucking Amazon.

00:24:41.000 But if you have Amazon Prime, which like most people do, you also have access to all these television shows.

00:24:46.000 Music, television shows.

00:24:47.000 Terminalists.

00:24:48.000 Terminalists, amazing.

00:24:50.000 Ring of Powers.

00:24:52.000 And then now we have live fights.

00:24:55.000 White championships.

00:24:56.000 I love it.

00:24:56.000 I love that they're doing that.

00:24:58.000 I just want more opportunities for fighters because I think if the sport is going to grow, I love the UFC, obviously.

00:25:04.000 I'm not working anywhere else.

00:25:06.000 There's only 500 fighters in the UFC. Yeah.

00:25:09.000 There's thousands and thousands of elite fighters all over the world.

00:25:14.000 Yep.

00:25:15.000 And if they don't get a shot, guys like Adriano, guys like, what's the guy's name that fought Lineker again?

00:25:20.000 Fabricio Andrade.

00:25:21.000 Guys like that.

00:25:22.000 Like, where's that guy coming from?

00:25:23.000 You know?

00:25:24.000 I mean, guys like, what's the dude that knocked out Giorgio Petrosian?

00:25:28.000 Subban.

00:25:29.000 Who?

00:25:30.000 Nasty.

00:25:33.000 To do that to Petrosian?

00:25:35.000 I mean, Petrosian is recognized as one of the very best kickboxers of all time.

00:25:40.000 And for him to right kick to the body, right kick to the head like that, holy shit.

00:25:44.000 Dude, when I tell people the kickboxing...

00:25:49.000 Yeah, look at this.

00:25:49.000 Right kick to the body, right kick to the body, boom.

00:25:52.000 To see Petrosian go out like that is wild.

00:25:56.000 Has he fought since?

00:25:57.000 I don't think he has.

00:25:58.000 I don't think he has, yeah.

00:26:00.000 That's one of those KOs that, you know, like when Terry Adam got knocked out by Edson Barboza.

00:26:05.000 Oh, yeah, the spinning back kick?

00:26:06.000 You're like, I don't know if you come back from that one.

00:26:09.000 Yeah.

00:26:09.000 There's sometimes when dudes get hit, it's like, it's so brutal, you might never see them again.

00:26:14.000 Yeah.

00:26:14.000 The biggest thing that I love about one championship is like, everybody's like, oh man, you know, the striking's unbelievable, but I was like, no dude, like, you want to see some high-level fucking striking?

00:26:24.000 Like, Subban, Giorgio.

00:26:27.000 My favorite person to watch that's just pure kickboxing is Hiro Akimoto.

00:26:31.000 I was there live when he won the belt.

00:26:34.000 I think it was in Singapore.

00:26:36.000 I was sitting there watching it and I was like, oh my god, this man.

00:26:40.000 His kick and he'll block and then fire back immediately.

00:26:45.000 Fucking A, man.

00:26:46.000 I was like, absolutely amazing.

00:26:48.000 Like, just...

00:26:48.000 I'm blown away.

00:26:49.000 Well, that's one of the...

00:26:50.000 Also the beautiful things about what they're doing at one is that you get to see striking with no grappling.

00:26:55.000 No grappling.

00:26:56.000 So you get to see what the most elite expression...

00:26:59.000 Exactly.

00:26:59.000 The purest form.

00:27:00.000 Yes.

00:27:01.000 The purest form of striking.

00:27:03.000 Like, these two guys, that's all we do.

00:27:04.000 We don't play on the ground.

00:27:05.000 We don't grapple.

00:27:06.000 It's pure striking.

00:27:07.000 Yeah.

00:27:08.000 And that's, like, one of the things I love to watch is, like, when I'm sitting there and people are like, oh, man, what do you like to watch?

00:27:12.000 Well, obviously, I like to watch...

00:27:14.000 You know, mixed martial arts.

00:27:15.000 But when I get the chance to watch, like, high-level, like, kickboxing, especially heavyweights who move fast.

00:27:21.000 Like, I don't know the gentleman's name.

00:27:23.000 There's a kickboxer in one.

00:27:24.000 He's fucking massive.

00:27:25.000 And he's got fucking six-pack.

00:27:27.000 And he's got good pecs.

00:27:29.000 He looks like a superhero.

00:27:30.000 And he's like, bop, bop, bop, high kick, uppercut, right hand.

00:27:33.000 I was like, oh, my God, this is amazing.

00:27:35.000 That's one of the things I love about with One Chip Chip.

00:27:38.000 It's just you get the purest of the form of the martial arts.

00:27:41.000 But then in contrast, you get to see...

00:27:43.000 There he is!

00:27:44.000 Look at him!

00:27:45.000 Let me see that again?

00:27:45.000 Like a fucking superhero, bop!

00:27:48.000 Look at that!

00:27:48.000 Jesus, who is that dude?

00:27:50.000 Fuck.

00:27:50.000 Roman Crickula?

00:27:54.000 How do you say it?

00:27:55.000 Cricklia?

00:27:56.000 Goddamn.

00:27:57.000 Dude, like, look at that guy.

00:28:00.000 He's like, oh, Jesus Louisa.

00:28:02.000 What has just happened to me?

00:28:03.000 And then look, look at him.

00:28:05.000 Come right back for some more.

00:28:07.000 Just getting right back in there.

00:28:08.000 Bop, bop, bop.

00:28:09.000 Is he Russian, that dude?

00:28:11.000 I have no idea.

00:28:12.000 Sounds Russian.

00:28:13.000 Yeah.

00:28:13.000 Whatever it is from that part of the world.

00:28:15.000 That's the thing I love about watching One.

00:28:18.000 When he fights, I always try to watch.

00:28:21.000 And then boom, you're just exchanging.

00:28:24.000 We were like, I hate watching grappling.

00:28:26.000 I was like, perfect.

00:28:27.000 Watch this.

00:28:28.000 And don't say anything.

00:28:29.000 Shut your mouth.

00:28:30.000 And just enjoy this.

00:28:32.000 Stand-up, I just love it.

00:28:33.000 That's the purest.

00:28:34.000 MMA striking would never get there.

00:28:37.000 Well, it can't.

00:28:38.000 And the good contrast to that is your second round with Rod Tang.

00:28:41.000 This is why MMA's striking because you can't open yourself up like that.

00:28:46.000 No, you can't.

00:28:46.000 Go to that second round.

00:28:48.000 Go to the second round with Rod Tang and DJ. So this is the second round.

00:28:52.000 You're like, okay, baby.

00:28:56.000 Now it's time to get it back.

00:28:58.000 And you can see Rod Tang.

00:28:59.000 He doesn't look nearly as confident either.

00:29:01.000 He kind of realizes.

00:29:03.000 Look how he's on the outside now.

00:29:04.000 Different game, right?

00:29:05.000 It's a different game.

00:29:06.000 Fuck yes.

00:29:07.000 Look at him now.

00:29:08.000 Look at the difference.

00:29:09.000 Look at the fucking difference!

00:29:11.000 Man, what a contrast!

00:29:13.000 My corner man, James, I love that man, he goes, look at him, he's running!

00:29:17.000 Look at him, he's running right now!

00:29:18.000 Of course he's running.

00:29:20.000 What's a wild contrast difference between the first and the second round?

00:29:23.000 Well, like you said, you can't open yourself up.

00:29:25.000 He really can't even move forward.

00:29:27.000 Yeah, because if he does, I'm taking you down.

00:29:30.000 He's basically resigning himself to being defensive in this round.

00:29:33.000 Look at how his hands are positioned.

00:29:35.000 He's looking to just push you away.

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:37.000 He's looking to get the fuck out of there.

00:29:39.000 And for me, it was like, I just need to make...

00:29:41.000 I have three minutes to work, right?

00:29:42.000 And I'm like, okay, I got to make sure when I get there, I have to be settled.

00:29:45.000 So these are one of the things I felt that's helped me in my evolution is becoming better.

00:29:50.000 I know it's crazy to say it, being 36 years old.

00:29:53.000 It's just taking my...

00:29:54.000 Ooh, look at that.

00:29:54.000 Duck under.

00:29:55.000 Woo!

00:29:56.000 Just taking my time.

00:29:57.000 Beautiful.

00:29:57.000 That's a wrap, son.

00:29:58.000 You ain't getting out of this.

00:29:59.000 Yeah.

00:30:00.000 That was the beautiful thing about watching that fight is seeing the difference between these elite strikers when they're just allowed to strike and then seeing the difference between an elite MMA fighter and how he knows he can't implement his game the same way.

00:30:14.000 That's just how it's...

00:30:16.000 This is a beautiful example of why mixed martial arts is the best combat sport in the world.

00:30:22.000 100%.

00:30:23.000 I think it's...

00:30:26.000 It's the best art form, right?

00:30:28.000 Obviously, you're bringing all of them together, but if you have someone who's a great boxer, you know, if you're an MMA guy, you can play in that realm of boxing.

00:30:36.000 You can take him to a place where he can't breathe.

00:30:37.000 Or if you have a guy who's a great jiu-jitsu guy, it's like, perfect.

00:30:40.000 I'm not going to go to the ground.

00:30:41.000 If we do, I'm going to punch you in the face.

00:30:43.000 Like Matt Hughes, he's like, everybody knows how to do armbar.

00:30:45.000 So you punch him in the face, and everything is forgotten.

00:30:48.000 Yeah, you're creeping with that left arm.

00:30:50.000 Yeah, here I've been focused on in the training camp.

00:30:53.000 I didn't care if I got underneath your chin.

00:30:54.000 I was working on my squeeze and just try to squeeze the blood out of your head.

00:30:58.000 That was amazing.

00:30:59.000 And that dude fucking hung in there, man.

00:31:01.000 He did.

00:31:01.000 He hung in there.

00:31:02.000 He took it.

00:31:03.000 I mean, he's getting the fuck choked out of him, too.

00:31:06.000 See, I think he's got a steel cup on.

00:31:08.000 It's actually a Muay Thai steel cup.

00:31:09.000 Yeah.

00:31:10.000 And he went out, too.

00:31:12.000 Yeah.

00:31:13.000 Good for him.

00:31:14.000 No tapping.

00:31:15.000 Just tried to hang in there as long as he could.

00:31:17.000 But that, to me, is one of the more interesting things about seeing a match like that.

00:31:23.000 You get to see.

00:31:24.000 People that don't know go, who's going to beat that guy?

00:31:27.000 Look at his striking.

00:31:28.000 He's going after Mighty Mouse, one of the greatest of all time.

00:31:32.000 Look how he's beating him up.

00:31:33.000 And then you see the sack rod.

00:31:34.000 Oh!

00:31:35.000 Yeah.

00:31:36.000 Oh, okay.

00:31:36.000 Oh, that's what would happen.

00:31:38.000 Yeah.

00:31:39.000 That's what would happen.

00:31:40.000 That's why I love...

00:31:40.000 Like I said, that's what I love about when they offered me that fight.

00:31:43.000 At the beginning, I'm like, hey, we want you to fight Ra-Tang for the Muay Thai World Championship.

00:31:47.000 I was like, guys, I'm very grateful.

00:31:49.000 I'm very appalled.

00:31:50.000 But...

00:31:51.000 They try to kill you.

00:31:52.000 They try to kill you.

00:31:54.000 They do shit like that over there, dude.

00:31:57.000 When Saryukian, when Eddie Alvarez fought Saryukian...

00:32:03.000 That's the dude who knocked him out?

00:32:04.000 In One Chip Chip?

00:32:05.000 Yes.

00:32:06.000 He blew his eyeball up?

00:32:07.000 The first dude he fought over there.

00:32:10.000 Timothy Nasty Nukin.

00:32:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:13.000 That's right.

00:32:13.000 I'm thinking of a different guy.

00:32:15.000 But blew his eyeball up, right?

00:32:16.000 The names sound the same.

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:18.000 I think of Nasty Nukin.

00:32:20.000 Yeah, Nasty Nukin.

00:32:20.000 I call him Mr. Nasty.

00:32:22.000 He is nasty.

00:32:24.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 But he's another one of those guys.

00:32:25.000 Like, you never heard of him.

00:32:26.000 You never heard of him.

00:32:27.000 But then you watch him fight.

00:32:28.000 Find that fight.

00:32:29.000 You never see him before, but you go before the KO. But when you see him fight, you're like, Jesus Christ, out of nowhere.

00:32:36.000 Where the fuck's this guy been?

00:32:36.000 Right.

00:32:37.000 Out of nowhere and big as fuck, too.

00:32:39.000 Yeah.

00:32:40.000 Well, Eddie's fine at 170 right now.

00:32:42.000 Right.

00:32:42.000 So it's not 155 when he's fine in the UFC. So in one championship, there's no weight cutting.

00:32:48.000 You have to weigh in hydrated, right?

00:32:49.000 So that's why the guy looks massive compared to Eddie.

00:32:52.000 Think about it.

00:32:52.000 Eddie's been spending pretty much all his career cutting to 155. He's a big 155. He's a huge 155er.

00:32:59.000 So now that he's fighting guys at 170, the proportion, you've seen a guy at 155 his whole career, now he's at 170, it's like, oh, he's going to look different, right?

00:33:07.000 Now, how do they do the hydration thing?

00:33:10.000 Because that's very controversial.

00:33:11.000 Yeah, okay.

00:33:12.000 Because, like, didn't nine people miss weight in the last event?

00:33:14.000 Yeah.

00:33:15.000 So how they do it?

00:33:16.000 So when you weigh in, first you gotta do your hydration.

00:33:19.000 You gotta do your hydration test.

00:33:22.000 You go in the bathroom, guy watches you pee in the cup, you bring it out, they sit up there, and they test the gravity of your urine, right?

00:33:28.000 So obviously the urine is more...

00:33:30.000 Gravity.

00:33:30.000 Yeah, right?

00:33:31.000 Space piss.

00:33:32.000 Yeah, right?

00:33:36.000 So they test our space piss, as you would call it, and they want to see the gravity, right?

00:33:41.000 So if it's more yellow, which means you're more dehydrated.

00:33:45.000 I think it's, there's a, I forget what it's called, but it's a little, almost like a thermometer.

00:33:55.000 If it's 250, you're on the cuss.

00:33:59.000 If it's 251, you're dehydrated.

00:34:01.000 You fail.

00:34:02.000 If you're overly hydrated, because if you just drink a whole bunch of water, you're going to piss clear.

00:34:08.000 That means you're overly hydrated.

00:34:10.000 The people have failed that as well.

00:34:12.000 Overly hydrated.

00:34:13.000 How can you be overly hydrated?

00:34:15.000 Is that because you're trying to mask the fact that you're dehydrated?

00:34:18.000 It could be, something like that.

00:34:19.000 I remember there was a time in the fight where Shinya Aoki, he peed and his shit was like 0-0-0-1.

00:34:25.000 And I'm like, dude, you're way overly hydrated.

00:34:28.000 Come back and do it.

00:34:29.000 They might have changed it, right?

00:34:31.000 But this was back in, I think we were fighting, it was in Japan, I think in 2019?

00:34:38.000 I feel like.

00:34:38.000 And so you want to be in a sweet spot, right?

00:34:41.000 You don't want to be too low.

00:34:42.000 You want to be too high, right?

00:34:44.000 So I just try to be right in the middle.

00:34:46.000 So how do they make sure that that's your actual weight though?

00:34:51.000 So...

00:34:52.000 At the end of the day, you can't.

00:34:54.000 You really can't.

00:34:55.000 But what you can do is prevent serious diet like what Hamzat Chmaev does.

00:35:00.000 Yes.

00:35:01.000 It's that kind of shit.

00:35:01.000 1000%.

00:35:02.000 Where you're cutting 35 pounds.

00:35:03.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:35:04.000 So my natural walk-along weight, like whatever I want to eat and all that stuff is like 142. So when I start dieting, I'll get down to 138 and working out.

00:35:15.000 So I'm three pounds away from the cutoff for 135. Reasonable.

00:35:20.000 Reasonable.

00:35:20.000 When I was making 125, I was fucking, not killing myself, but I was cutting weight.

00:35:27.000 What would you weigh the day before you began your cut at 125?

00:35:32.000 About 128, 127. Oh, that's not bad.

00:35:36.000 No, no, no.

00:35:36.000 But you dehydrated or you dieted.

00:35:38.000 So I would drink two gallons of water for two weeks straight.

00:35:41.000 So I think a gallon of water is what, eight pounds?

00:35:43.000 I think you're right?

00:35:44.000 Eight pounds, I could be wrong.

00:35:45.000 Can you explain how that works?

00:35:46.000 Yeah, so what I did when I was cutting 125, I drank two gallons of water for two weeks straight.

00:35:50.000 And what you're doing is you're water-loading your body.

00:35:52.000 So you're basically just pissing all day.

00:35:55.000 So your body gets used to having all this extra water on you, right?

00:35:59.000 And then as you're dieting, yeah, so eight pounds.

00:36:02.000 See?

00:36:02.000 My math is good.

00:36:03.000 So it's eight pounds.

00:36:04.000 So if I drink two gallons of water, I got 16 pounds of water in me that I can lose.

00:36:09.000 So when I jump in the tub to cut my weight, I'm not pulling from my organs, my kidneys, and all that stuff.

00:36:14.000 Oh.

00:36:15.000 And then you make 125, you get out, and then I would make the weight, right?

00:36:20.000 So that's what it does?

00:36:21.000 It keeps it from pulling from your organs?

00:36:23.000 From my scientific, I'm not a scientist, Joe, but I've never missed weight.

00:36:27.000 I'm not.

00:36:27.000 You didn't know that?

00:36:28.000 I didn't know that.

00:36:29.000 Oh, shit.

00:36:29.000 Well, now you know.

00:36:30.000 I'm not a scientist, all right?

00:36:31.000 And I'm not a fucking doctor as well.

00:36:32.000 So people, when you hear this, don't say I said you can do it.

00:36:35.000 But that's what I did.

00:36:36.000 I would drink two gallons of water.

00:36:38.000 Do you ever do distilled water?

00:36:40.000 Nope, just basic water.

00:36:41.000 I've heard that's dangerous.

00:36:42.000 Yeah, I've heard that too.

00:36:43.000 I heard somebody had a seizure on that shit.

00:36:45.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:36:46.000 So I was like, nope.

00:36:47.000 Because you're just robbing your body of electrolytes, right?

00:36:49.000 And minerals.

00:36:50.000 And you are pissing out your electrolytes and your minerals too, right?

00:36:52.000 Because when you drink that much water, I mean, two gallons.

00:36:55.000 Like, when I fought Kyojo Horiguchi, I got like...

00:36:59.000 I guess you call it water poison because I was going from Toronto, excuse me, from Seattle all the way to Toronto, and I'm dieting too.

00:37:06.000 So there's nothing in a plane that you can eat that's going to, you know, it's all full of sodium.

00:37:11.000 I'm going to hang on to all the water, right?

00:37:12.000 And obviously you cut off the sodium so your body flushes the water.

00:37:17.000 On the way to Toronto, I drank two gallons of water before boarding a plane, right?

00:37:21.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:37:21.000 And so the whole plane ride, I didn't eat anything, just pounding water.

00:37:26.000 I get there and I'm just sick, like just as a dog.

00:37:30.000 And next thing you know, Matt's like, usually when I land, I always get work out.

00:37:34.000 I was like, Matt, I don't feel good.

00:37:36.000 Like, I don't want to work out.

00:37:37.000 And he goes...

00:37:38.000 Okay, alright, no worries, just go to bed.

00:37:40.000 Next day woke up and he goes, hey, you need to eat.

00:37:43.000 And I ate, shit, just right through me.

00:37:46.000 And I just couldn't keep anything down.

00:37:48.000 The next thing you know, a couple days he goes, don't train, just relax.

00:37:51.000 And then the UFC wanted me to do media and he was like, nah dog, he's not feeling good.

00:37:56.000 Then eventually the third day started to feel better.

00:37:59.000 And then when it came to cutting weight, I was able to make weight because I was just losing so much from being sick.

00:38:05.000 And I remember the first time in the fight when I got taken down, I think it was the first or the second round, I was like, I don't fucking want to be here right now.

00:38:11.000 Like, I am.

00:38:12.000 I'm just not.

00:38:13.000 I'm not here.

00:38:14.000 Like, I'm not in it.

00:38:15.000 But then, you know, we rallied.

00:38:16.000 People have died from drinking too much water.

00:38:18.000 Oh, I know.

00:38:19.000 I know.

00:38:19.000 Which is so crazy.

00:38:20.000 Like fraternity hazings and shit.

00:38:22.000 Well, shit, I hear GSP does, what, water fasting for three days?

00:38:26.000 I was talking to some gentlemen here, and they were like, yeah, we're about to do our three-day water fast, man.

00:38:31.000 I'm super pumped.

00:38:32.000 I was like, I would get a headache.

00:38:33.000 Like, I just couldn't do it.

00:38:34.000 Yeah, but he doesn't drink that much water.

00:38:36.000 He just drinks only water.

00:38:38.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:38:39.000 He's not drinking two gallons.

00:38:40.000 So I misinterpreted that.

00:38:42.000 He's just drinking two gallons of water.

00:38:43.000 Let's go, boys!

00:38:45.000 But, yeah, so...

00:38:47.000 That's what I did when I cut to 125. I drank two gallons of water for two weeks straight, diet down, cut out the sodium, then I'll cut off water the day before, weigh in, and then sit in the tub, boil it myself.

00:38:58.000 Why the tub and not the sauna?

00:39:01.000 Because the sauna was not accessible depending on where you're fighting.

00:39:05.000 You always got a tub wherever you're fighting.

00:39:08.000 I remember when I fought Joseph the second time, I cut 8.2 pounds.

00:39:14.000 8.2 pounds that day to make the weight and we use the tub.

00:39:18.000 It works good.

00:39:20.000 So, what 1FC does is, how many days before the fight do they test your hydration?

00:39:27.000 So, before COVID, which is, this is what I really like.

00:39:31.000 This is how you try to keep people at the same weight, right?

00:39:33.000 Like how you have something blown from 180 come down to 140, right?

00:39:37.000 Obviously, you can't stop it.

00:39:38.000 It's going to happen, right?

00:39:39.000 But you would have to weigh in two times, right?

00:39:42.000 So, in the past, you would fight on Saturday.

00:39:44.000 So, you're weighing Thursday.

00:39:45.000 Test hydration and weigh in.

00:39:48.000 Friday, test hydration and weigh in.

00:39:50.000 So if I weighed 135 on Thursday, 135 on Friday, the likely chance of me blowing up to whatever, 155 or 165, it's kind of not going to happen unless I'm just going to put on too much excessive weight, right?

00:40:05.000 Right.

00:40:05.000 And then now they weigh you after you're done fighting.

00:40:08.000 So that's another thing they're starting to implement as well.

00:40:11.000 So when I fought Adriano, Weighed 135. After the fight, I weighed 138. And then the next day, I woke up weighing 136. So I don't blow back up, you know, like these guys do when they cut all that massive weight.

00:40:26.000 So that's the biggest thing is that...

00:40:29.000 Hydration, check the weight.

00:40:30.000 If you feel hydration, you're not checking your weight, right?

00:40:32.000 You might be on weight.

00:40:34.000 You might be 135, but you're fucking over-dehydrated.

00:40:37.000 They're not going to let you step on a scale.

00:40:38.000 They're like, nope, go get hydrated.

00:40:40.000 Obviously, to get hydrated, you gotta drink water.

00:40:41.000 You drink water, you get heavier.

00:40:43.000 So what do they do if you miss the weight?

00:40:47.000 When all those people missed weight, there was like nine fighters in the car that missed weight.

00:40:51.000 They have an opportunity to go back and...

00:40:53.000 Get their hydration in check and get their weight in check.

00:40:55.000 But if you're missing weight, you're too big.

00:40:58.000 Yeah.

00:40:58.000 How are you going to get smaller without dehydrating?

00:41:01.000 That's the science behind it.

00:41:02.000 You have to...

00:41:03.000 So what I've heard people do is that they would drink a lot of water, get their bladder full of hydrated water, right?

00:41:12.000 And then they'll go work out, lose the weight, and your bladder still has that hydrated water.

00:41:16.000 And then what they do is, I'm on weight.

00:41:19.000 I weigh 105, 135. I have this hydrated...

00:41:23.000 Water or urine, space piss, in my bladder.

00:41:26.000 Then I go out there and I pee, hydrate it, hydrate it, and then I weigh in 135. So that's, I've heard people do that before as well.

00:41:33.000 So there's like some shenanigans, but less.

00:41:35.000 There's always going to be some shenanigans, right?

00:41:37.000 But I think the biggest thing is that weighing after the fight, right?

00:41:41.000 Because after you fight, you know, if I fought Adrian, I weighed in 135, and I come off the scale, off the cage, I'm like 162, and they weigh me, then it's like, okay, dude, like...

00:41:51.000 That's too big of a drastic jump between 135 to 165. Do you think there should be more weight classes in MMA? Nah.

00:42:02.000 No?

00:42:02.000 I think they're good.

00:42:03.000 I think 135, 125, 135, 145, 155. I think there could be a 160. But here's the thing.

00:42:09.000 Go ahead.

00:42:11.000 Bless you, honey.

00:42:12.000 Bless you.

00:42:13.000 That was a wild one.

00:42:14.000 I almost pulled my back out with that one.

00:42:16.000 I was like, woo!

00:42:17.000 I think when you have...

00:42:19.000 When you add more of these weight classes, you're going to start seeing people try to go from 155 to 185. Right?

00:42:29.000 No, 70, 85. Oh, it went 70. Yeah, so I think it's fine.

00:42:32.000 70 to 85 is a big jump, though, man.

00:42:34.000 It's only 15 pounds.

00:42:35.000 That's a lot.

00:42:36.000 Eh, it's true.

00:42:37.000 That's a lot.

00:42:38.000 Fuck, I grapple with people who are way bigger.

00:42:40.000 I'm not fighting them, so it's different.

00:42:41.000 Right, but the fighting thing is the difference.

00:42:43.000 Yeah.

00:42:43.000 And then 85 to 205 is crazy.

00:42:46.000 Yeah.

00:42:46.000 I mean, it could.

00:42:47.000 I mean, I don't see why not.

00:42:49.000 I mean, obviously, more weight classes, more opportunities for fighters to make money, so why not?

00:42:54.000 More champions.

00:42:55.000 More champions.

00:42:55.000 More champion versus champion matchups.

00:42:57.000 Yeah, so I can see.

00:42:58.000 I mean, why not?

00:42:59.000 I think 10 pounds is reasonable.

00:43:01.000 Every 10 is reasonable.

00:43:02.000 Yeah, so 130, 145, 155, 165, 175, 185. Yeah, just do that.

00:43:06.000 195, and then 215, and then heavyweight.

00:43:09.000 Call it good.

00:43:09.000 Yeah.

00:43:10.000 So, I mean, let's see why not.

00:43:11.000 I mean, it's not like it's going to hurt anybody's brand if you had more weight classes.

00:43:15.000 I don't think it would hurt anything.

00:43:16.000 But it'll get...

00:43:17.000 More athletes, opportunity to be able to make money and make small shorts.

00:43:20.000 And you won't have people come, you know, because I went over in Singapore and I see the guys who make 125, like Jared Brooks and then Alex Silva.

00:43:29.000 We're all the same height.

00:43:30.000 And I'm like, how the fuck are you guys making 125 hydrated?

00:43:34.000 Like, I cannot do it.

00:43:35.000 But then when I get next to them, I'm just more girthier.

00:43:38.000 Like, I'm just bigger.

00:43:39.000 And I'm like...

00:43:40.000 But I'm the same height.

00:43:42.000 So I feel it gives people an opportunity to be at certain weight classes where if he was to fight me at 135, then he'd be like, you know, there'd be size disadvantage.

00:43:51.000 Yeah, well, especially at the lower weight classes, it's a larger percentage of your body weight.

00:43:55.000 Like a 10-pound gap at heavyweight is not that big of a deal.

00:43:59.000 When it's at my weight, it's a huge deal because, you know, the percentage of your body fat, or body fat by your weight.

00:44:05.000 Another thing that I think is weird is the weight limit at heavyweight.

00:44:08.000 I know, when they miss it, I'm like, how the fuck you missed 265?

00:44:12.000 But the fact that it exists at all...

00:44:15.000 Yeah, they should just have an open weight, just like...

00:44:17.000 Yeah, why do you have a 265 cutoff for the biggest fighter in the UFC? I don't know.

00:44:22.000 You know?

00:44:22.000 Yeah, it is what it is.

00:44:23.000 Because if Francis can weigh whatever the fuck he wants, I want to see what he weighs.

00:44:27.000 He's like 308. 298 pounds.

00:44:30.000 I think he'd probably be like, well...

00:44:32.000 I think he'd probably be exactly what he is.

00:44:33.000 Yeah.

00:44:34.000 I think he's like the perfect specimen for heavyweight.

00:44:35.000 Exactly.

00:44:36.000 I don't foresee him cutting a whole bunch of weight back and forth.

00:44:39.000 No, I don't think he cuts any weight.

00:44:40.000 But he just stays lean, which is perfect anyway.

00:44:42.000 Yep.

00:44:43.000 I totally agree.

00:44:44.000 Yeah.

00:44:44.000 But when you think about the opportunities that would be available if you had every 10 pounds, I only see positives.

00:44:51.000 Yeah.

00:44:51.000 Yeah, 1000%.

00:44:51.000 No negative.

00:44:52.000 Only positive.

00:44:53.000 Like you said, when you said it gives athletes a better opportunity to make more opportunity for athletes and fighters to be able to compete, why not, right?

00:45:02.000 Yeah, I only see positives.

00:45:04.000 So they came to you and they asked you to fight for the World Muay Thai Championship against Rotten.

00:45:08.000 Oh yeah, back in that story.

00:45:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:10.000 We just go on these little tansies, little journeys and shit.

00:45:12.000 That's okay, I'll bring it back.

00:45:13.000 So, I was on the couch with the wife and I was like, hey babe.

00:45:16.000 Well, they said once you fight him.

00:45:17.000 I was like, you know guys, I'm grateful for the opportunity.

00:45:20.000 But I was like, I have no interest in being a world Muay Thai fighter.

00:45:23.000 Like, I just don't.

00:45:24.000 It's not on my bucket list.

00:45:25.000 I don't really care.

00:45:26.000 But I was like, but I will fight.

00:45:27.000 And I said, and I don't want to disrespect the other guys.

00:45:32.000 Who been working their whole lives to capture that dream.

00:45:35.000 Did you ask for MMA first?

00:45:37.000 No, I didn't.

00:45:37.000 I said, let me finish the story.

00:45:40.000 Sorry, sorry.

00:45:41.000 Cut me off.

00:45:41.000 Joe, what's wrong with you?

00:45:42.000 No, I mean one round MMA first.

00:45:44.000 No, I'm going to get there.

00:45:45.000 You're going to love it.

00:45:46.000 I hope you love it.

00:45:46.000 I love it.

00:45:47.000 I'm sure I love it.

00:45:48.000 So I said, I said, I don't want to take that opportunity for somebody else who wants to be a Muay Thai world champion.

00:45:54.000 I was like, I'll still fight Rotten.

00:45:56.000 We can fight through three threes.

00:45:59.000 We do it in big gloves.

00:46:00.000 We can make it happen.

00:46:01.000 And they're like, yeah, okay, we'll come back to you.

00:46:03.000 We'll take you something.

00:46:04.000 And they called me back.

00:46:06.000 And then I hung up the phone.

00:46:07.000 I talked to my wife.

00:46:08.000 And she goes, who was that?

00:46:09.000 I was like, it was one.

00:46:11.000 She goes, what did they want?

00:46:11.000 And I was like, they want to fight Rotten.

00:46:12.000 She goes...

00:46:14.000 I was like, yeah.

00:46:16.000 And she goes, well, how do you feel about it?

00:46:17.000 And I was like, well, it'll be fun.

00:46:18.000 You can see what happens.

00:46:19.000 I was like, remember, this is what they pay me to do is fight.

00:46:22.000 This is why I fight, to make money, right?

00:46:23.000 And she goes, yeah, yeah.

00:46:24.000 She goes, okay, well, you know, he's very dangerous, so we'll see what happens.

00:46:27.000 Then he called me back, and I'm like, hey, how will we do a special rules fight?

00:46:31.000 I was like, I'm listening.

00:46:33.000 And I'm like, one round Muay Thai, second round MMA, third round Muay Thai, And I was like, and what are the rounds?

00:46:41.000 She's like, three minute rounds.

00:46:42.000 I was like, still same contract pay and all that stuff.

00:46:45.000 He was like, yeah, but I was like, send a contract.

00:46:49.000 And then when it got announced, Smoky's like, dog!

00:46:53.000 I can't believe you do MMA first.

00:46:55.000 And he was like, how come you argue for MMA? And I was like, guys, I'm 35 years old.

00:46:59.000 I'm tired of arguing and trying to get the upper hand and do all that shit.

00:47:03.000 And I was like, if I can't make it out the first round of Muay Thai, then so be it.

00:47:07.000 I don't care.

00:47:08.000 Like, I just don't care.

00:47:10.000 And that's how I left it.

00:47:11.000 I didn't care about if it was first round Muay Thai or second round.

00:47:15.000 I didn't care.

00:47:16.000 I just truly didn't care.

00:47:17.000 Well, we got to see the contrast that way.

00:47:19.000 Exactly.

00:47:20.000 If we didn't, it would be...

00:47:21.000 It would have been over the first round.

00:47:22.000 I would have gone out there, taken down, passed guard, submitted him like, okay, GG's boy.

00:47:28.000 GG's boy?

00:47:29.000 Good game, baby.

00:47:30.000 Oh.

00:47:33.000 You're doing video game talk.

00:47:34.000 Yeah, I am.

00:47:35.000 I am.

00:47:35.000 Sorry.

00:47:36.000 It's okay.

00:47:37.000 You're a heavy-duty gamer.

00:47:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:39.000 Sorry.

00:47:40.000 But yeah, so there was no back-and-forth.

00:47:43.000 And that's how, for me, that's how I wanted to be.

00:47:46.000 I'm at the end of my career.

00:47:49.000 I know it.

00:47:49.000 There's the end of the tunnel.

00:47:50.000 I see it.

00:47:51.000 I'm smiling, looking at it.

00:47:53.000 And the last thing I'm going to do is sit here and go back and forth with the company.

00:47:57.000 I'm like, I really think we should do MMA first.

00:47:59.000 I was like, you know what?

00:48:01.000 If I get knocked out the first round, I tried.

00:48:04.000 Did you talk to Rod Tang at all afterwards and ask him how you trained?

00:48:08.000 I said, how hard did I hit you?

00:48:10.000 Was it harder?

00:48:10.000 He goes, it was okay.

00:48:12.000 I was like, hey boys, hey, we take that.

00:48:15.000 We'll take that.

00:48:16.000 But the beautiful thing about over there is that it's like a frat house.

00:48:20.000 It's like a college house.

00:48:22.000 What I mean by that is, like, after that fight, you know, we're all in the back.

00:48:25.000 You see Stamp, you see Adriano, you see Yuya Wakamatsu, you see Ra-Tang.

00:48:29.000 We're all, you know, just talking, just chopping it up.

00:48:31.000 Like, you know, I remember Adriano told Stamp, and Stamp was like, oh, I wanted to win so bad.

00:48:37.000 She fought Angela Lee that night, I believe.

00:48:39.000 And she goes, I wanted to win so bad.

00:48:41.000 And Adriano was like, it's okay.

00:48:43.000 Today, it wasn't your time.

00:48:45.000 You have to learn.

00:48:46.000 You learn from this, right?

00:48:47.000 So we're all trying to make sure we all eat.

00:48:50.000 And it's not like you see fucking Leon Edwards and Jorge, they're always cutting each other down.

00:48:57.000 That's the biggest thing that I don't like seeing.

00:48:59.000 You don't have to cut somebody down to make yourself look better.

00:49:04.000 But that cutting down is part of the psychological warfare.

00:49:07.000 Yeah, for a weak-minded person, you can say all the shit you want.

00:49:11.000 When that cage goes, you're getting the full force of me.

00:49:15.000 I don't give two rats ass whatever you say to me.

00:49:18.000 You can say whatever you want, but when that door closes, I'm getting in your fucking ass.

00:49:22.000 Has anybody ever pissed you off to the point where you fought differently?

00:49:25.000 Nope.

00:49:26.000 Nobody.

00:49:27.000 Why are you saying something to begin with?

00:49:30.000 We're gonna fight.

00:49:31.000 We're gonna fight.

00:49:32.000 You can say whatever you want.

00:49:34.000 I'm just gonna bring it.

00:49:36.000 There's two sides of me, right?

00:49:39.000 Me, who's just chilling and happy-go-lucky.

00:49:42.000 And then there's a dark side of me where it's like, they're paying me to fight.

00:49:45.000 And this is what I provide my family.

00:49:47.000 So you can see whatever the fuck you want me.

00:49:48.000 When that door closes, I'm going to give you every bit of me.

00:49:52.000 I'm going to fight with a broken hand, broken rib, broken leg.

00:49:56.000 At the end of this, they're gonna fix me back to 100%, but I'm gonna give you 100% of me.

00:50:01.000 Like I tell myself, focus 125% meaty on this task at hand.

00:50:07.000 So when I see people cutting each other down in a psychological war, I'm like, why are you talking?

00:50:12.000 Shut the fuck up and just fight.

00:50:14.000 The Islam and Charles Olivera fight, Them, I get goosebumps seeing them stare down, not talk.

00:50:21.000 Right, right.

00:50:21.000 Because I know the gravity of what they bring to the table.

00:50:25.000 Yeah, Oliver is so respectful.

00:50:27.000 So respectful.

00:50:28.000 And that makes me, that turns me on even more to those athletes, right?

00:50:32.000 Like, people who talk, like, I made you do this, da-da-da-da.

00:50:35.000 Who gives a fuck?

00:50:36.000 In my opinion, right?

00:50:37.000 People, oh man, it's selling tickets.

00:50:38.000 I don't care.

00:50:39.000 Wow.

00:50:40.000 I'm watching because I know the gravity of your skill set.

00:50:44.000 That's what turns me on, right?

00:50:46.000 But then there's a lot of things where I try to just...

00:50:49.000 I try to push my weight because I go down like a rabbit hole where I'm like, I don't need this.

00:50:52.000 It just...

00:50:53.000 It's kind of like you when you're watching people getting murdered on the internet.

00:50:56.000 Like for me, I'm like...

00:50:57.000 I just gotta step away for a little bit and push it away.

00:51:00.000 Yeah, but the good thing about the shit-talking is pay-per-view buys.

00:51:04.000 Exactly.

00:51:04.000 Like what Conor does.

00:51:05.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:51:07.000 That dude brings eyeballs.

00:51:08.000 Yeah.

00:51:09.000 100%.

00:51:10.000 And part of it is his ability.

00:51:11.000 To talk?

00:51:13.000 Yeah, but also the fight.

00:51:14.000 Hey, I'm not gonna lie.

00:51:15.000 Hey, when Betch Crihera and Ronda Rousey were about to fight, and then I remember Betch sets on the Ronda, and Ronda was like, I'm gonna beat these bitches out.

00:51:22.000 I was like, I gotta buy the pay-per-view.

00:51:23.000 Fuck it.

00:51:24.000 Ah, pizza!

00:51:25.000 You sold me.

00:51:26.000 I purchased it, right?

00:51:28.000 And, you know, with Conor, I mean, he took the sport to a whole new level.

00:51:32.000 Like, I'll never forget.

00:51:33.000 I was playing Counter-Strike, right?

00:51:34.000 And I'm sitting there playing, shooting people.

00:51:37.000 And then I was like, y'all know who Conor McGregor is?

00:51:39.000 He goes, uh, yeah.

00:51:41.000 What have you been living on a fucking rock?

00:51:43.000 I'm like, this motherfucker made it into the game world.

00:51:45.000 He don't even play video games.

00:51:46.000 Like, good for you, Conor.

00:51:47.000 Good for you.

00:51:48.000 Do those people you're playing know it's you?

00:51:50.000 No.

00:51:53.000 Living under a rock.

00:51:54.000 Bitch, I've been living in a cage.

00:51:57.000 My favorite thing is when I'm out and about.

00:51:59.000 I live in a nice place in Washington.

00:52:03.000 And someone comes to me and goes, hey man, can I get a picture?

00:52:05.000 And I'll take a picture.

00:52:06.000 I'm like, sure, why not?

00:52:07.000 If they know who I am, I'll take a picture, right?

00:52:10.000 But then my favorite is when people are all looking around.

00:52:14.000 They're looking at this small 5'3 black guy in the middle of nowhere with two kids.

00:52:18.000 They're like, who the fuck is this guy?

00:52:20.000 And I'm like, oh my god, are you famous?

00:52:23.000 I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm famous.

00:52:24.000 She goes, oh my god, what do you do?

00:52:25.000 So I like to have a whole list of lies I like to do.

00:52:29.000 One of them is I'm a CEO of a pharmaceutical company.

00:52:33.000 And they're like, oh, what type of pharmaceuticals?

00:52:36.000 I'm like, oh, male enhancement pills.

00:52:38.000 Just go on these lies.

00:52:42.000 Why do you do that?

00:52:43.000 Because it's fucking fun.

00:52:43.000 That's why I do it.

00:52:45.000 I'll do it.

00:52:46.000 And then my favorite one was, we'll go to a wedding.

00:52:50.000 And we're at a wedding.

00:52:51.000 And some people recognize me, some people don't.

00:52:52.000 And they'll be like, oh my god, who is that?

00:52:54.000 And they'll be like, oh, you know, he's a famous person.

00:52:56.000 And they'll be like, oh, what are you doing?

00:52:57.000 I'm like, work for NASA. Just the most outlandish shit ever.

00:53:02.000 I worked for NASA and I just got back from the moon.

00:53:04.000 It's beautiful out there.

00:53:06.000 I didn't know we went to the moon.

00:53:07.000 I was like, absolutely.

00:53:08.000 There's a lot of shit out there.

00:53:10.000 Just go in these stories.

00:53:11.000 It's my acting career.

00:53:12.000 That's what I'm working on.

00:53:13.000 I just do that.

00:53:14.000 It's fun.

00:53:14.000 But my kids are getting older, so they're starting to cockblock me.

00:53:18.000 They're like, no, no, no.

00:53:19.000 It's him.

00:53:20.000 It's Demetrius.

00:53:21.000 It's him.

00:53:22.000 I was like, damn, you can't do that.

00:53:24.000 Let me have my fun while it lasts.

00:53:27.000 So yeah, that's where I get my rocks out.

00:53:30.000 That's where you get your jollies.

00:53:31.000 Yep.

00:53:31.000 But, so, who is the trash talk to you the most before a fight?

00:53:36.000 I think the two people was probably Jon Dotson, the second fight, and Ray Borg.

00:53:46.000 I remember when I fight John Dotson, he said I was boring x, y & z.

00:53:48.000 And so, that fight I was like, all right I'm just gonna take it to you.

00:53:52.000 When he kicked me in the balls.

00:53:53.000 And like...

00:53:54.000 He kick me and I was like, "No, no, no no no, no no No break, you don't get no fucking break at all," And he was like, oh, okay, whatever.

00:53:59.000 Even though it hurt, but you got that steel cup on, so it takes some of that absorption.

00:54:04.000 But when he said to me, he was like, being bored, I was like, okay, I'm just gonna push the pace.

00:54:07.000 Like, I'm just gonna try to drown you, right?

00:54:09.000 Obviously, I'm gonna get the finish, but wasn't able to get it.

00:54:12.000 And then Ray Borg, he said, my wrestling wasn't good, right?

00:54:16.000 And so I made it a point that I'm gonna out-scramble you in that fight.

00:54:19.000 Like, every single scramble, I made sure I won that scramble, because he said, I can out-scramble you.

00:54:24.000 Bro, that finish was one of the wildest submissions I've ever seen.

00:54:29.000 Suplex to armbar in the air!

00:54:31.000 Yeah.

00:54:31.000 In the air, you caught it.

00:54:32.000 And then when you told me that you practiced that, and that you hit that in practice, I mean, that is wild.

00:54:37.000 That's one of the wildest finishes I've ever seen.

00:54:39.000 Thanks, man.

00:54:39.000 It was beautiful.

00:54:40.000 Yeah, when it got dead to me first, Matt, he did it to me.

00:54:45.000 And he caught me, and I was like, what the fuck was that?

00:54:47.000 He goes, well, you're getting so good now.

00:54:49.000 I can't just do a basic arm bar.

00:54:50.000 Like, I have to...

00:54:52.000 I have to experiment, essentially.

00:54:56.000 And so when he did it to me, I was like, okay, you have to teach it to me.

00:54:59.000 So I would do it, and I'd do it.

00:55:01.000 And he says, you know what your biggest weakness is, Deej?

00:55:04.000 I'm like, what?

00:55:05.000 He goes, you think.

00:55:06.000 Stop thinking and just do.

00:55:08.000 And then when I was in the fight- That's some Bruce Lee shit right there.

00:55:11.000 Yeah, it is, right?

00:55:13.000 Here it is.

00:55:13.000 Let's take a look at it.

00:55:16.000 Boom!

00:55:17.000 That was so wild, man.

00:55:20.000 That was so wild.

00:55:22.000 Yeah, it's funny because he said, stop thinking, just do.

00:55:27.000 Just let your body do what it knows what to do.

00:55:30.000 And we just learned how to...

00:55:32.000 Matt was teaching...

00:55:34.000 Matt teaches in concept, which I love.

00:55:36.000 And he said that...

00:55:38.000 If somebody's holding on their weight, if somebody's trying to be extremely heavy, it's going to be a lot harder to move somebody, right?

00:55:46.000 But if you can get them to move their weight or shift their weight a certain way, then they're lighter.

00:55:51.000 I was like, that's where he was teaching at that time.

00:55:54.000 So in that fight, I had Ray Borg's back.

00:55:58.000 And he's being heavy.

00:55:59.000 He's trying to, like, he knows I'm going to try to get a takedown.

00:56:01.000 He's trying to be heavy.

00:56:01.000 So I said, okay, he's, in my mind, I was like, okay, he's heavy right now.

00:56:04.000 I was like, okay, I have to make him shift his weight.

00:56:07.000 I don't want to shift his weight.

00:56:08.000 He needs to shift the weight.

00:56:10.000 So I kept kneeing him and kneeing him and kneeing him.

00:56:12.000 And then once he went, like, bop, I was like, perfect, you just shifted your weight.

00:56:15.000 Go back, Jamie, if you get to, yeah, that's sex stuff.

00:56:19.000 Don't worry.

00:56:21.000 Okay.

00:56:22.000 At the beginning, he kind of elbows me in the back of the face.

00:56:25.000 And once he elbowed me, he basically gave me his weight.

00:56:30.000 And once he did that, I was like, perfect, thank you.

00:56:32.000 And it threw him up and got him.

00:56:33.000 So...

00:56:35.000 Yeah, but that finish and my last Adriano finish was probably like, if I can have it on my, not on my wall, but if someone was like, hey, what are your best finishes?

00:56:46.000 I'll say those two because I think that's the pinnacle of technique coming in real time.

00:56:52.000 Well, the Adriano, too, one of the beautiful things was you got him with the exact same thing he got you with.

00:56:57.000 Yes.

00:56:58.000 But in a different way.

00:56:59.000 A different way.

00:57:00.000 1000%.

00:57:00.000 And I think the distance control, following him, and then knowing the cage is coming, and then just giving everything I hadn't into it, was probably like, that's like...

00:57:12.000 Doesn't get any better than that.

00:57:14.000 It's picture perfect.

00:57:15.000 If you look at the slow-mo, you see I'm in southpaw position.

00:57:18.000 I'm on the outside of the leg, lining up my left knee in milliseconds.

00:57:23.000 You're playing with windows of opportunity that are open and closing like that.

00:57:26.000 And then the Ray Borg when it's like, I'm throwing him up and then I have to make sure when he loses his balance, I have to catch it and land and throw.

00:57:34.000 I like working with the windows of opportunity.

00:57:37.000 Those two are my favorite because it's like When you break down the technique of it, it's like...

00:57:44.000 Find the Adriano one, because the Adriano finish in the last one was so beautiful, what you're saying.

00:57:50.000 Like, where you're like, na-na, na-na, bam, right there.

00:57:53.000 Yeah, you can see it.

00:57:54.000 And it's funny, people are like, man, where'd you learn?

00:57:55.000 And I was like, Matt, he's done it to me my whole career.

00:57:59.000 Not blasting me in the face, but understanding, like, lighting up your knee, here comes the cage, or here comes the ring, and then throwing, and he's...

00:58:07.000 Done it to me.

00:58:08.000 I've seen him do it to Rich.

00:58:09.000 I've seen him do it to Jens Pulver.

00:58:14.000 Spencer Fisher.

00:58:15.000 I've seen him do it to all those guys.

00:58:16.000 So being able to do it in real time at a world championship level, it was like perfect.

00:58:22.000 Yeah, the timing of it was fantastic.

00:58:25.000 The fact that Matt has been your coach and that you're one of the greatest of all time, it's kind of amazing that there's not more guys from him that are on that level.

00:58:37.000 It takes a special, I think, bond.

00:58:39.000 I think it takes a special athlete.

00:58:43.000 You know, obviously injuries play a factor in that.

00:58:47.000 Winning, competing, because you can teach.

00:58:49.000 You can teach.

00:58:51.000 Somebody.

00:58:52.000 All that stuff.

00:58:53.000 But to be able to do it under the light at the right time.

00:58:56.000 And it's not all the stuff that goes on in the gym.

00:58:59.000 It's all the stuff that goes on at home as well, right?

00:59:01.000 Like, gotta live a healthy lifestyle.

00:59:03.000 Gotta have, you know, at home life's gotta be amazing too.

00:59:06.000 All that stuff comes in.

00:59:08.000 Yeah, otherwise it fucks with your head, right?

00:59:09.000 It does, right?

00:59:10.000 I truly believe it does.

00:59:11.000 I think so too.

00:59:12.000 So it's, yes, it's, you know, some of the stuff you do in the gym, but it's also a lot of stuff you do at the house.

00:59:20.000 And this is when...

00:59:21.000 Yeah, look at this.

00:59:22.000 Timing.

00:59:23.000 Bang!

00:59:23.000 Oh my God, it's beautiful.

00:59:25.000 And the walk-off.

00:59:27.000 Yeah, Olivia Costa said, I'm so glad that the fight ended there because I didn't want to have to pull you back to go fight more.

00:59:33.000 And I was like, if you did, I would have came back and I would have finished it.

00:59:36.000 I would have came back like, all right, let's keep going.

00:59:38.000 How did you know that he was completely done when you walked off?

00:59:42.000 I mean, it's a perfect knee, but watching this lands...

00:59:49.000 We gotta stall on the internet here.

00:59:51.000 Yeah, it's fine.

00:59:51.000 So, boom!

00:59:52.000 It goes down, and you just knew.

00:59:54.000 You didn't even follow up.

00:59:55.000 I threw everything I had in that knee.

00:59:56.000 Like, I threw everything I had in it, and I knew that it was...

01:00:00.000 And if it wasn't, if he got back up, he got up, he goes...

01:00:04.000 Like, even that fight, like, there's the part where I shot, and then he defends his takedown because he's so fucking long.

01:00:09.000 And he starts neeming the head, right?

01:00:12.000 And I'm like, oh shit, like, oh shit, oh shit in my mind.

01:00:15.000 And then when he's switching over to the Darce, I said, I'm not fucking done yet.

01:00:18.000 And I got up and then I kept on fighting.

01:00:20.000 So if he was to say the same thing, got up and goes, I'm not done yet.

01:00:23.000 I'm like, perfect.

01:00:24.000 I still got more energy to give you, so.

01:00:26.000 That right hand was so perfect, too.

01:00:28.000 The timing of that.

01:00:30.000 And that knee on the fucking cheekbone.

01:00:32.000 Yeah.

01:00:33.000 It was a good fight.

01:00:34.000 It was a beautiful fight.

01:00:35.000 And how satisfying was that for you to come back from the first fight that you guys had?

01:00:40.000 It was good.

01:00:41.000 It was good, but...

01:00:43.000 That guy's facing the right.

01:00:45.000 I think it's the matchmaker, Rick.

01:00:47.000 He's hilarious.

01:00:48.000 For me...

01:00:50.000 After the after the first fight I had with him I went through like I think 2019 I think it was 2019 2020 was a huge like shift in My life, you know that affected me differently and my mindset and so when I lost that first fight to him, I was so Wasn't mad about losing.

01:01:15.000 I was mad about I put so much pressure on myself about being perfect and And it just drove me insane.

01:01:22.000 Like, everything I want to do is perfect.

01:01:23.000 I still had that in me, but...

01:01:26.000 In what way?

01:01:27.000 What do you mean?

01:01:28.000 So, I don't know.

01:01:29.000 Like, I felt like...

01:01:31.000 I remember being in a hotel room, and we watched the fight, and then I felt like it was just after...

01:01:35.000 So, my sister passed during...

01:01:37.000 I was getting ready for a fight.

01:01:40.000 This is where it kind of stemmed from.

01:01:41.000 So I was getting ready for a fight.

01:01:42.000 My sister, she died.

01:01:44.000 And then seeing her pass.

01:01:45.000 And then seeing basically the end game of life.

01:01:49.000 Like being here and seeing her just like, she's there.

01:01:52.000 And then seeing her go through the trauma.

01:01:55.000 And then her being gone.

01:01:57.000 And then seeing the traumatic, how it affected my mom.

01:02:00.000 And after, you know, I remember when everything happened.

01:02:02.000 I was in the hospital and I was like, You guys need help clean up all this blood?

01:02:06.000 Cause I can, I can, I can help.

01:02:08.000 And she goes, honey, that's okay.

01:02:09.000 Just, just go home.

01:02:09.000 I was like, all right, mom, I love you.

01:02:12.000 Let me know if you need me.

01:02:13.000 I go home, started balling.

01:02:15.000 My wife's there.

01:02:16.000 I mean, that was a huge, uh, movement in my life where I was like, that's fucking end game.

01:02:20.000 Like, doesn't matter what you've done before that's, you can either go peaceful, you go, you know, traumatic.

01:02:25.000 Right?

01:02:26.000 So that happened.

01:02:28.000 And I was, and then it was pointing me.

01:02:30.000 I was like, damn, like I called Matt.

01:02:31.000 I was like, Hey, I'm not gonna be in, I was like, Hey, I'm not gonna be in training today.

01:02:35.000 I gotta go bury my sister, right?

01:02:36.000 And I took a step back and I was like, fuck man, I'm always training for a fight.

01:02:40.000 Always training for a fight.

01:02:41.000 And my sister just died and I can't go train because I gotta go bury her.

01:02:45.000 But there was like weird shit to my mind.

01:02:47.000 I was like, I'm always getting ready for a fight.

01:02:49.000 Always getting ready for a fight.

01:02:50.000 And then I went and fought, won the World Grand Prix.

01:02:53.000 Fast forward, getting ready to fight Adriano.

01:02:54.000 We go through COVID-19, right?

01:02:56.000 All the gyms are shut down.

01:02:58.000 Our gym kind of like, we got relocated.

01:03:01.000 So there's only three of us training.

01:03:03.000 And then I fight Adriano and I was, the game plan was there, but I just felt like I wasn't Matt even said, if I came back from the knockout, he was like, you know, when you left, I wasn't comfortable where you were at.

01:03:16.000 Like, when you left, I was like, you're just going to have to fight through this.

01:03:19.000 You're going to have to just get through it.

01:03:21.000 And then, sitting in the hotel room, and I was like, why am I putting this stress on myself?

01:03:26.000 Why?

01:03:27.000 For what?

01:03:28.000 And then, that was kind of like a snapping period.

01:03:33.000 Then when I fought Rob Tang, I was like, Everybody's so worried about winning and losing.

01:03:37.000 Why?

01:03:38.000 Why?

01:03:39.000 Because you're going to die someday.

01:03:41.000 You're going to die someday.

01:03:42.000 Right.

01:03:42.000 So why the fuck are you worried about winning and losing?

01:03:44.000 Are you having fun?

01:03:44.000 Yeah.

01:03:45.000 Okay, perfect.

01:03:45.000 Who cares if you're going to lose?

01:03:47.000 So I went there and fight him.

01:03:48.000 I was like, all right.

01:03:49.000 You know, I told Matt, I was like, I'm not going to fucking run.

01:03:51.000 I'm going to exchange.

01:03:52.000 I don't care if he has a hard chance.

01:03:54.000 I'm going to go out there and give him my best.

01:03:55.000 And then there's an ASAP Rocky said, when has it ever been cool to knock somebody down?

01:04:00.000 It's never been cool to knock somebody down.

01:04:03.000 Whoever made it cool to belittle somebody or whatever is not cool, right?

01:04:07.000 So that's always in the back of my head.

01:04:09.000 So when I fought Rotting, and then I felt that success, not success, but I felt like I won the fight, and everyone was like, oh, you did a good job.

01:04:16.000 I was like, thanks, man.

01:04:16.000 Appreciate it, you know?

01:04:18.000 Go back home, take care of the wife and kids.

01:04:20.000 And then when I fought Adrian on the second time, I was like, we can do the training camp.

01:04:23.000 It was probably the toughest training camp, but...

01:04:25.000 I started doing things different, right?

01:04:27.000 Like, before I'm like, I gotta be perfect.

01:04:29.000 I can't have any beer.

01:04:31.000 I can't go watch a concert.

01:04:32.000 I gotta be strict.

01:04:33.000 And I was like, I think the last sparring session after the Adrian fight, I was like, went to a concert, had two beers, had a fucking chicken sandwich.

01:04:40.000 And I'm like, I need to enjoy my life because eventually I'm going to die, right?

01:04:44.000 And I don't want to be in my deathbed.

01:04:45.000 I was like, man, I was so strict and all that stuff.

01:04:48.000 Like, I want to enjoy my life.

01:04:50.000 And so that right there, from that perspective, This traumatic thing in my life has just shifted my whole perspective.

01:04:58.000 On my birthday, August 13th, my wife was like, oh, we didn't get you any alcohol.

01:05:02.000 We just got all water.

01:05:04.000 And I was like, no, give me a fucking glass of champagne.

01:05:07.000 I'm 36 years old.

01:05:09.000 I've been doing this for fucking years.

01:05:10.000 If I train eight weeks and I can have one fucking beer and it's going to change my outcome of winning this fight, then I don't deserve to win the fight, I guess.

01:05:17.000 So it is what it is.

01:05:19.000 So I feel like that whole mindset has just made me a better athlete, better fighter.

01:05:24.000 Because it's released some pressure from you?

01:05:26.000 Pressure of being perfect.

01:05:28.000 And that's how it is.

01:05:29.000 I remember one day, I just grappled with that new wave.

01:05:32.000 And I was grappling with a kid who was 18 years old.

01:05:34.000 And he was fucking working me.

01:05:36.000 And someone who has an ego, we'd be like...

01:05:39.000 I'm the best fighter in the world.

01:05:40.000 That should never happen.

01:05:41.000 For me, I'm like, dude, you're fucking good.

01:05:43.000 Good job.

01:05:44.000 I'm so excited to see what you've been able to achieve.

01:05:48.000 And in nine years, you've been grappling under John Dennerhan.

01:05:50.000 I'm so happy for you.

01:05:52.000 I'm so proud of you.

01:05:53.000 I want to follow you.

01:05:54.000 I want to follow your career.

01:05:56.000 My whole mindset has just shifted.

01:05:59.000 I don't know what it is.

01:06:01.000 I know what it is.

01:06:02.000 It's that.

01:06:02.000 But for me, that's how I like to look at my fights now.

01:06:07.000 Randy Couture said that once to me.

01:06:09.000 He was talking about fighting and winning.

01:06:12.000 He's like, so many people put so much pressure on winning.

01:06:15.000 He goes, you do your best.

01:06:17.000 He goes, you're trying to win.

01:06:18.000 And if you lose the same people who love you, they're still going to love you.

01:06:21.000 You're still going to have your friends.

01:06:23.000 You're going to be okay.

01:06:24.000 Yeah, and that's like taking my game to a whole new level.

01:06:28.000 I truly believe that.

01:06:30.000 Believe that.

01:06:32.000 Just that mindset of just like, I don't give a fuck what happens.

01:06:36.000 They're like, who are you going to fight?

01:06:37.000 I'm like, I don't care.

01:06:39.000 It doesn't change my pay.

01:06:41.000 It doesn't change my outlook on life.

01:06:42.000 It doesn't change me from my endgame, which is financial freedom.

01:06:46.000 So I don't care who it is, when it is.

01:06:51.000 I just want to make sure that I never lose focus of my endgame.

01:06:56.000 And yeah, that's helped me a lot.

01:06:59.000 So when you went over to 1FC, how did they pay over there?

01:07:04.000 They pick good.

01:07:04.000 Is it comparable to the UFC? Is it better?

01:07:07.000 Everybody's contract's different.

01:07:09.000 Everybody's contract's different.

01:07:10.000 I'm happy.

01:07:11.000 I'm very happy what I'm getting, but everybody's totally different.

01:07:17.000 I don't like arguing.

01:07:21.000 I remember when I fought Chris Curioso, I made $150,000.

01:07:31.000 And then I would fight the next challenger, Kyojo Horiguchi, I would make less money.

01:07:37.000 And I'm like, how the fuck does this work?

01:07:39.000 Because you always get your show and your win.

01:07:41.000 Excuse me.

01:07:42.000 Your show to win, right?

01:07:43.000 Right.

01:07:43.000 Your show might be $150K and your wins $50,000 bonus.

01:07:47.000 Typically it goes up by escalator of $3,000, $10,000, $15,000.

01:07:50.000 It all depends, right?

01:07:51.000 But then when I fought Chris Carrioso, I made, you know, let's say $150,000.

01:07:56.000 And then when I fought Kyojo or Gucci, I made less.

01:07:59.000 Even though the pay, it went up, I still made less money.

01:08:02.000 Why?

01:08:02.000 Right?

01:08:02.000 I don't know why, right?

01:08:04.000 Because I didn't get pay-per-view points at the time, right?

01:08:06.000 And so I was like...

01:08:07.000 I remember talking to Sean, I was like, hey Sean, can I just fight that guy again?

01:08:09.000 Because I made more money to fight Chris Curry also than if I fought Kyoji or Gucci.

01:08:13.000 And he goes, no, no, you can't do that, da-da-da-da.

01:08:15.000 But did he say, I don't understand why you're making less when you're winning.

01:08:19.000 I don't know.

01:08:20.000 I think it was probably because pay-per-view points, bonus, I have no idea, right?

01:08:25.000 But I didn't get pay-per-view points.

01:08:27.000 So that's the biggest thing.

01:08:29.000 And then I remember when it came time for me to renegotiate my contract, after I beat Henry Seeler the first time, Like, I argued, and I, not argued, but I fought for pay-per-view points, right?

01:08:39.000 Because that's where you start making that next wealth, right?

01:08:42.000 Like, shit, Jon Jones hasn't fought, what, two, three years?

01:08:44.000 Right.

01:08:45.000 And he's made all that money with pay-per-view points, so he has that opportunity to take two to three years off, right?

01:08:51.000 So, for me, I fought and fought and fought, and I was like, I want pay-per-view points.

01:08:55.000 Like...

01:08:56.000 Even though I don't draw, right?

01:08:58.000 I mean, hopefully one day I am a draw, but if I land on a Conor fight or...

01:09:02.000 I've always...

01:09:03.000 If I land on a Conor fight or a Jon Jones fight or whatever, that's going to bring in 875,000 pay-per-view buys.

01:09:08.000 If you make $350,000 and the pay-per-view structure is $0 to $200, $0, $2 to $4, $4 to $6, $1.50, $6 to $8, $2.

01:09:18.000 You add all that up, you're walking out with a $2 million paycheck, right?

01:09:21.000 So you do that.

01:09:23.000 If I were to have pay-per-view points...

01:09:25.000 On 11 consecutive title defense, you do the fucking math.

01:09:28.000 That'll be way well off.

01:09:32.000 Did you get it?

01:09:33.000 No.

01:09:34.000 No, I got it on one fight.

01:09:35.000 It was when I fought Henry Sudo the second time.

01:09:37.000 But I felt like they gave that to me after I fought Ray Borg.

01:09:42.000 I was about to fight Ray Borg.

01:09:44.000 We were in...

01:09:44.000 I was in Montreal.

01:09:46.000 We were in Canada.

01:09:47.000 I was cutting weight.

01:09:49.000 They call and say, hey, stop cutting weight.

01:09:50.000 He's not going to make it.

01:09:51.000 I'm like, the fuck, man.

01:09:53.000 We're going to push the fight back to, oh, three weeks later, fighting in Vegas.

01:09:57.000 And after I beat him in Vegas, I was like, hey, we're going to give you pay-per-view points on your 11th on this one against him and that was it.

01:10:05.000 So I was always at a ceiling.

01:10:06.000 But I don't like that back and forth.

01:10:08.000 I don't like the tension.

01:10:09.000 I don't like the tension.

01:10:10.000 I don't like the negotiation.

01:10:11.000 It's like, hey, this is what I want.

01:10:12.000 This is what I think I'm worth.

01:10:14.000 How can we get here?

01:10:15.000 There was never any transparency.

01:10:18.000 Just chill and talk in a non-hostile environment.

01:10:23.000 That makes sense.

01:10:23.000 And how is the difference between the way they treat you at 1FC? It's great.

01:10:27.000 We talk.

01:10:29.000 For us to have that conversation about the Ra-Tang fight is how it should be.

01:10:32.000 It should be like a marriage.

01:10:33.000 It should be like, hey, we want you to fight Ra-Tang for the world title.

01:10:37.000 I'm like, you know what?

01:10:38.000 I appreciate that, but I think that's deserved for somebody else who has worked his whole life to get that opportunity.

01:10:46.000 Okay, well, what did you have in mind?

01:10:47.000 I was like, well, I would love to fight him.

01:10:49.000 Let's do Muay Thai.

01:10:50.000 I feel like that dialect should be going, but obviously we never got to that point when I was in the UFC. But is there like a more hostile relationship with the UFC when you were there versus 1,000%?

01:11:04.000 Oh, 1,000%.

01:11:05.000 Because remember, at the time, it's...

01:11:07.000 Did you see that the man who tried to race the UFC... The UFC tried to race...

01:11:14.000 Me?

01:11:16.000 They try to race you?

01:11:17.000 Patrick Gaby did it.

01:11:19.000 It's on YouTube.

01:11:21.000 He did a huge piece on it.

01:11:23.000 And at the time when I was going through my title reign, they were talking about getting rid of the division, right?

01:11:29.000 So there's always tension because they're trying to get rid of the division.

01:11:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:33.000 Yeah.

01:11:34.000 So imagine that.

01:11:36.000 You're killing it.

01:11:37.000 You're fucking just destroying everybody in the division.

01:11:39.000 And next thing you know, the CEO or the boss who goes, I'm going to get rid of that fucking division because it's not bringing any money.

01:11:45.000 How do you think it's going to make you feel?

01:11:47.000 Not good.

01:11:48.000 Exactly.

01:11:48.000 So that's where the tension starts to batter.

01:11:51.000 So how are you going to have a relationship with somebody who wants to get rid of your division when you're going out there trying to put on an exciting fight, right?

01:11:57.000 So that's where the tension, that's where the tension started from.

01:12:00.000 Was this, I'm trying to remember, is this before WME bought the UFC? Yes.

01:12:07.000 Yes.

01:12:07.000 This is...

01:12:08.000 I totally forgot about all this until this guy did it.

01:12:10.000 And I sat there and watched it, and I'm like, holy shit, I forgot about that.

01:12:13.000 Like, I forgot about all the things that was set up public.

01:12:17.000 One thing that does really bother me is that they don't address you.

01:12:20.000 Like, when, you know, you talk about the elites of the elites and some of the greatest ever and, you know, show highlight reels.

01:12:27.000 It's like, how the fuck do you leave out Mighty Mouse?

01:12:31.000 Because for years I was saying, you're the best ever.

01:12:35.000 For years.

01:12:36.000 I was like, the expression of technique, if you just look at what he's able to do in there, who the fuck is better?

01:12:41.000 I know that the talent at 125, at least at the time that you were running shit, was not the same as the talent at 205 or 85 or 70. The talent was better because there's more people that size.

01:12:55.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:12:56.000 But the expression of technique, if that's what we're really concentrating on is excellence, Which is what I think we really should be thinking about.

01:13:04.000 How the fuck do you ignore that?

01:13:06.000 I think it's because I'm still active.

01:13:07.000 So what?

01:13:09.000 It doesn't hurt anybody.

01:13:10.000 I know.

01:13:11.000 I'm not a businessman, clearly.

01:13:13.000 I'm not either.

01:13:14.000 I am a little bit.

01:13:16.000 I totally agree with you.

01:13:17.000 I think it's because I'm still active.

01:13:19.000 So what?

01:13:20.000 Man, they're like, oh, you know, one of the greatest ever, Demetrius Johnson, you know, did all this stuff.

01:13:25.000 And they're like, damn, what happened to Demetrius Johnson?

01:13:26.000 Google, Demetrius Johnson, what are you doing?

01:13:28.000 Oh, he's finding one championship.

01:13:29.000 Oh, what's one championship?

01:13:30.000 Oh, what?

01:13:30.000 Oh, oh.

01:13:31.000 Yeah, kickboxing, Muay Thai, submission.

01:13:33.000 Oh, I'm going to start watching this.

01:13:35.000 Financially, though, 1FC supposedly is struggling.

01:13:38.000 They're doing fine.

01:13:39.000 There was something recently they lost $100 million.

01:13:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:42.000 I think I'm not a financial guru.

01:13:45.000 You're not?

01:13:46.000 Wait a minute, you're not a scientist or a financial guru?

01:13:49.000 No, when it comes to that, I think Chachri hit on it when he was on his last interview on Aaron Hawani.

01:13:54.000 He's like, when you're trying to expand, it's going to cost capital and you've got to raise revenue.

01:14:00.000 So when he explained it that way, it makes total sense.

01:14:04.000 I think Amazon, for the longest time, they didn't make any revenue.

01:14:08.000 They just put all the money they made back in and just put it back into the company to expand more and more and more, right?

01:14:13.000 Did you get to meet Jeff Bezos?

01:14:15.000 No.

01:14:16.000 He's not the CEO anymore.

01:14:17.000 He stepped down.

01:14:18.000 I know.

01:14:18.000 Still, don't you want to meet him?

01:14:19.000 Yeah.

01:14:19.000 I want to go to his Blue Origin, go into space.

01:14:23.000 Well, I always tell myself, like, we're Elon Musk when he's trying to...

01:14:29.000 I just think, like, Elon Musk, when he's talking about, like, colonizing Mars, and I think, like, if I didn't have any kids, and...

01:14:36.000 Fuck that.

01:14:37.000 And I wasn't married, and I'm, like, 62, and I'm, like, fucking shredded, and I'm, like, I'll go to Mars, Elon, just...

01:14:43.000 Bro, that's six months in a spaceship.

01:14:46.000 You being a hyper...

01:14:47.000 Oh, oh, six months?

01:14:48.000 You being a what?

01:14:49.000 A hyper what?

01:14:50.000 What are you saying?

01:14:51.000 You ever seen Aliens 2?

01:14:52.000 That shit ain't real.

01:14:53.000 Yeah.

01:14:54.000 When you have Elon Musk building shit, I'm sure it could be real.

01:14:57.000 You think you're going to go into suspended animation for six months?

01:15:00.000 Come on, man.

01:15:01.000 That's a science fiction movie.

01:15:02.000 Hypersleep.

01:15:03.000 Hypersleep.

01:15:03.000 Fuck out of here.

01:15:04.000 That ain't real.

01:15:06.000 You'll die.

01:15:07.000 Six months of your life of not existing.

01:15:10.000 I'm sure I can make it happen.

01:15:11.000 You gave me internet.

01:15:13.000 I mean, he's got Starlink up there.

01:15:14.000 You gave me internet.

01:15:15.000 I don't think you get Starlink when you're halfway to Mars.

01:15:17.000 I think it cuts out.

01:15:18.000 I think it's like when you're in a plane over the ocean and the Wi-Fi goes out.

01:15:23.000 You said, I think it cuts out when you're halfway to Mars.

01:15:26.000 Yeah, you're like, shit, I can't even check my Facebook.

01:15:29.000 Yeah, I'm like, oh, damn it.

01:15:30.000 Well, you know what?

01:15:31.000 I like to live in my fantasy land, so I think it would be cool just to see what happens if we do colonize Mars and get up there.

01:15:37.000 I think it would be dope.

01:15:38.000 Well, it'd definitely be dope once it's already done and settled.

01:15:41.000 You just don't want to be an early adopter.

01:15:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:44.000 At least I don't.

01:15:45.000 I mean, I know a lot of people do.

01:15:46.000 Yeah.

01:15:47.000 There's a lot of people that are dying to go out there.

01:15:49.000 Yeah.

01:15:50.000 But I feel like those people are crazy.

01:15:53.000 You know?

01:15:54.000 Hey.

01:15:55.000 Gotta be a pioneer.

01:15:56.000 I guess.

01:15:57.000 I don't know.

01:15:58.000 I just think Jeff Bezos, that's how you're supposed to live when you're a billionaire.

01:16:02.000 You're supposed to get jacked, get a bombshell girlfriend, the baller yacht.

01:16:06.000 See, that's what I'm talking about.

01:16:07.000 You're spreading positivity, right?

01:16:10.000 Here's a man he's worked his whole life, and now he's been able to enjoy the fruits of his labor.

01:16:15.000 Somebody was talking shit about him being all jacked.

01:16:17.000 I'm like, who cares if he's jacked?

01:16:18.000 What do you want him to do?

01:16:19.000 Be fat like Bill Gates?

01:16:21.000 I want him to be jacked.

01:16:22.000 Yeah, what does he happen?

01:16:23.000 Yes.

01:16:25.000 Balling out of control, son.

01:16:26.000 Balling out of control.

01:16:26.000 He's like, hey, you want that?

01:16:29.000 How many people get to have $100 million?

01:16:32.000 Or $100 billion?

01:16:34.000 Very few.

01:16:34.000 I feel like when you got that, you're supposed to ball.

01:16:37.000 You're supposed to, yeah.

01:16:37.000 You have an obligation.

01:16:38.000 Exactly.

01:16:39.000 To all of us watching, you should be out there balling.

01:16:42.000 To ball out.

01:16:43.000 When he got that hot girlfriend, I'm like, fuck yeah, Jeff Bezos.

01:16:46.000 When he's on the yacht with his shirt off, looking like a fucking MMA fighter, I'm like, fuck yeah, Jeff Bezos.

01:16:51.000 Yeah, I love it.

01:16:52.000 Get some!

01:16:52.000 Yeah, I remember you said that and I was like...

01:16:54.000 Look at Joe, spreading that positivity.

01:16:55.000 I love that.

01:16:56.000 Listen, I'm all about people excelling.

01:16:58.000 I love watching people excel.

01:17:00.000 I love it.

01:17:01.000 I don't like people falling down.

01:17:02.000 I mean, I like when douchebags get their comeuppance, but I really wish they would just learn and get better.

01:17:07.000 That's what ultimately I want.

01:17:08.000 Yes.

01:17:09.000 I don't like when people fall apart.

01:17:11.000 Yeah, when people say, man, that guy sucks, I'm like, I don't think that's the correct word to use, that he sucks.

01:17:15.000 I think his skills are not there yet.

01:17:18.000 He can learn more, right?

01:17:20.000 Of course.

01:17:21.000 Because with my kids, they just started training in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

01:17:25.000 And when they go out there, I see them get destroyed.

01:17:28.000 And I'm like, and they get upset.

01:17:29.000 I'm like, dude, it's okay.

01:17:30.000 It's part of the thing.

01:17:31.000 It's part of the thing.

01:17:32.000 And I said, you can always get better.

01:17:34.000 You don't suck.

01:17:35.000 You're just not knowledgeable yet in the sport or...

01:17:39.000 In the game.

01:17:40.000 The beautiful thing is you have all this room for growth.

01:17:42.000 Exactly.

01:17:43.000 And then when you do get better, man.

01:17:44.000 I remember when I first started submitting people when I was a blue belt.

01:17:48.000 It was like the most magical feeling in the world.

01:17:50.000 It was like, oh my god, now I'm winning exchanges.

01:17:53.000 Whereas before, I was getting my ass handed to me every day.

01:17:56.000 Like, finally, I'm getting taps.

01:17:57.000 It was so exciting.

01:17:59.000 And you get to see, like, oh my god, I'm getting progress.

01:18:01.000 All that drilling is paying off.

01:18:03.000 Now I can hit those moves.

01:18:04.000 Now I see it.

01:18:06.000 That's one of the greatest things about being a new person at something and not having any skills that you have so much room for growth you can get better.

01:18:14.000 Yeah, I think seeing my children do it because For who I am and what I've done in mixed martial arts and athletics, like, I've never wanted to push my kids into doing any type of martial arts at all.

01:18:27.000 Like, I told my wife, like, I don't want them to do it, right?

01:18:29.000 But Tyron came home talking shit.

01:18:31.000 Right?

01:18:32.000 He did.

01:18:41.000 He did.

01:18:42.000 So, he came home, and I was like, me and my wife, we have a strict bedtime.

01:18:46.000 It's like, hey, 7 o'clock, you're upstairs brushing your teeth.

01:18:49.000 7.30, you're reading your book, and then 8 o'clock, it's lights out.

01:18:53.000 No ifs, ands, or buts.

01:18:54.000 That's what it is, right?

01:18:56.000 So, we're going on that schedule.

01:18:59.000 Tyron, he's on the top bunk.

01:19:00.000 He goes...

01:19:01.000 Y'all expect me to go to bed at this fucking time?

01:19:05.000 How old is he?

01:19:07.000 Well, at the time, he's eight.

01:19:08.000 Eight years old, right?

01:19:10.000 Eight years old.

01:19:11.000 And he's up to my chest, right?

01:19:13.000 And I've never laid a hand on my kids, right?

01:19:15.000 Me being raised, I've been whipped or whatever.

01:19:18.000 Like we all have in the 80s and 90s, right?

01:19:20.000 But for me, I have never laid a finger on my kids, right?

01:19:24.000 You can't.

01:19:25.000 Well, no, I can't.

01:19:27.000 But you really can't.

01:19:28.000 I really can't, right?

01:19:29.000 Yeah.

01:19:29.000 So I've never, not even spanking, no spanking.

01:19:32.000 Good for you.

01:19:33.000 We try to, me and my wife want to break the cycle of, like, talk.

01:19:37.000 Yeah, communicate.

01:19:38.000 Communicate, communicate.

01:19:39.000 Why are you upset?

01:19:40.000 Tell me why you're upset.

01:19:41.000 So how come we can figure this out, right?

01:19:42.000 Right.

01:19:43.000 So he's up there, and he's just going hopped on the fucking can't spit.

01:19:47.000 And I'm like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:19:50.000 Let me get this straight.

01:19:51.000 So you can't go to bed at 8 o'clock, and the reason why...

01:19:55.000 He goes, I got all this fucking energy.

01:19:56.000 That's why.

01:19:57.000 You expect me to just go to bed?

01:19:58.000 And I was like, you have all this energy to burn?

01:20:00.000 He goes, yeah.

01:20:01.000 And I was like, okay.

01:20:03.000 Okay.

01:20:04.000 Next day, I was like, guess what, guys?

01:20:06.000 Signed you up for Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

01:20:08.000 He goes, what is this?

01:20:09.000 I'm like, oh, it's grappling.

01:20:11.000 And then we found an amazing place.

01:20:13.000 Well, I train there.

01:20:16.000 Typically, I'm always training AMC because Matt's there.

01:20:21.000 But then that's an hour and 15 minutes from the house.

01:20:24.000 So it's very hard to make that drive all the time, especially with the kids in school.

01:20:27.000 I want to be part of their lives and cook them breakfast.

01:20:30.000 When they come home from school, I want to be there.

01:20:31.000 So the longest time what I would do between my training camps, I would not train at all.

01:20:35.000 Like I would just lift weights and stay fresh.

01:20:37.000 But then I saw a note to myself back in 2011 of me, a diary of me writing down my weight cuts.

01:20:45.000 And I was like, I weigh 142 pounds.

01:20:47.000 And it's 10 years later, I still weigh 142 pounds.

01:20:49.000 So all that weightlifting between there, I didn't gain any weight.

01:20:53.000 So I was like, huh, I need to find something else to do besides lift weights.

01:20:58.000 How can I better myself with my crap?

01:21:00.000 So then my old coach...

01:21:03.000 A friend, Steve Skitz, who was like, hey, you should come grapple.

01:21:06.000 Grapple at this place.

01:21:07.000 I was like, ah, I don't want to grapple.

01:21:10.000 There's nobody better than, you know, ain't nobody better than, you know, Matt out there, right?

01:21:14.000 So I went and I grappled.

01:21:16.000 His name is Professor Yan.

01:21:18.000 I grappled him.

01:21:21.000 It was a fucking murder.

01:21:22.000 He just destroyed me.

01:21:23.000 I said, what?

01:21:24.000 Pure jiu-jitsu, right?

01:21:26.000 I was like, what just happened?

01:21:29.000 And I was like, okay.

01:21:30.000 That was in no gi.

01:21:31.000 I was like, okay, I'm gonna put my gi on.

01:21:32.000 See what you got there.

01:21:33.000 It was even worse.

01:21:34.000 It was bad.

01:21:36.000 So his gym is right down the street from my house.

01:21:39.000 So I was like, okay, perfect.

01:21:41.000 I train with him.

01:21:42.000 I trust him.

01:21:43.000 I trust his curriculum.

01:21:43.000 I trust how he teaches.

01:21:46.000 I threw Tyrant and Maverick in there.

01:21:47.000 And so now, to get back to the full context of this rant, is that to see my kids in that light flash in their head about doing technique, drilling, being accountable, showing up on time, doing all that stuff.

01:22:02.000 Them getting their first stripe, their second stripe, their third stripe.

01:22:05.000 They're about to compete on Sunday for their first ever jiu-jitsu tournament.

01:22:09.000 It's amazing to see.

01:22:11.000 It makes me excited for the end of my career.

01:22:14.000 Because I look forward to being with my children and helping them, guide them through life where it's like...

01:22:20.000 Everybody's like, man, what are you going to do when you retire?

01:22:22.000 I was like, hopefully whatever the fuck I want.

01:22:24.000 If I want to wake up and make my kids breakfast and send them off to school, go to the gym, lift some weights, come home, pick them up, like, hey, what'd y'all want to do?

01:22:32.000 And I think that's because me growing up, I didn't have a father figure.

01:22:36.000 I had multiple, but I didn't have somebody who was there all the time.

01:22:41.000 So, yeah, I agree.

01:22:43.000 When you're new at something and to see improvement is amazing.

01:22:48.000 Yeah, it is.

01:22:49.000 It's beautiful.

01:22:50.000 It's good for everybody.

01:22:51.000 And I think that's one of the things that fucks people up in life, is that they continue to do the same thing.

01:22:56.000 They don't do any new things.

01:22:57.000 And you don't develop new pathways of thinking.

01:23:00.000 And the beginner's mindset, it's a very important mindset.

01:23:03.000 Also the mindset of not having the ego and always be willing to learn and that's what that's what I think made me even what's been making me better because When I started I would never train outside of AMC never right eventually AMC and Chargers Combat Club we came together and our team so Give it the full spectrum.

01:23:24.000 So all my title defenses UFC, you know, all my fights in one championship, you know, I'm about to fight, you know, Ali Bogartinov, Sambo world champion, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:23:35.000 We need to bring in five Sambo world champions.

01:23:37.000 We need to do X, Y, and Z. You see those guys all week.

01:23:40.000 We're fighting, you know, I think Jon Jones, when he's fighting Alex Gustafsson, he brought in a boxing guy, right?

01:23:45.000 Just to give him that boxing.

01:23:46.000 I've never done it in my whole entire career.

01:23:48.000 Never.

01:23:49.000 Never believed in it.

01:23:50.000 Still don't believe in it, right?

01:23:52.000 So what we did now is that we merged together with Charlie's Combat Club and AMC. So now we have a bigger team.

01:24:01.000 And then I started training just pure jiu-jitsu, right?

01:24:05.000 Now I'm spending probably two to three days in a gi, an hour and a half, two hours in the morning before my next training session at night.

01:24:15.000 So, that's one of the things I've done, and that's been able to make me better, because it makes me think, right?

01:24:20.000 Like, somebody says, why are you in a gi?

01:24:21.000 You don't fight in a gi.

01:24:22.000 And I was like, I know, but I want to understand this game, and if I can understand what's holding me from passing his guard.

01:24:31.000 Like, I'll be trying to pass on his guard, and I was like, why the fuck am I past your guard yet?

01:24:34.000 Like, this is absolutely insane.

01:24:36.000 I should be past your guard.

01:24:37.000 And I'm like, you're holding me.

01:24:39.000 Why are you holding me?

01:24:40.000 How are you holding me?

01:24:41.000 It starts to stimulate my brain.

01:24:44.000 And so when I get in my gi and I take my gi off, whew!

01:24:47.000 I'm cutting through guard like butter, baby.

01:24:49.000 It's just different.

01:24:51.000 So when I fight Adriano, when I was on my back, I was like, I'm here all fucking day.

01:24:56.000 I'm not going to get tired.

01:24:58.000 I felt like in that fight, I dealt most of my damage from my back, from spending so much more time in my gi grappling, if that makes sense.

01:25:07.000 It does, in a way.

01:25:09.000 And it certainly makes you more defensively responsible.

01:25:12.000 Yes.

01:25:13.000 Defensive and responsible, but now, as I sit back and watch that fight, the last fight with him, now I'm like, okay, so he was able to do this, X, Y, and Z. So I told myself, I was like, hi, bitch, I could probably submit it off my back.

01:25:23.000 I'm going to try.

01:25:24.000 So I've been working more in my gi off my back just to get better.

01:25:27.000 Because I feel like, you know, a lot of people lose fights when they're on their back.

01:25:31.000 But how can I be offensive off my back?

01:25:34.000 So, I mean, to have the mindset to be willing to change and do things different.

01:25:41.000 And, I mean, when I'm 16...

01:25:45.000 18 years in my career and starting to do something totally different is kind of contributing to me getting better and having no ego.

01:25:52.000 Staying fresh.

01:25:53.000 Staying fresh.

01:25:54.000 Yep, 1,000%.

01:25:55.000 Keeping that beginner's mindset.

01:25:56.000 Yep, absolutely.

01:25:56.000 And always improving even though you're, you know, an elite fighter for a long period of time.

01:26:01.000 Yep.

01:26:02.000 That's probably why you're still at the top of your game.

01:26:03.000 Yeah, but I can't fight forever, so I gotta, you know, figure things out.

01:26:07.000 How many more years do you think you have?

01:26:08.000 You said you're 36 now?

01:26:10.000 36. So I get myself...

01:26:13.000 I throw myself four more fights.

01:26:15.000 Four more fights.

01:26:16.000 Four more fights, which would be two years, two fights a year, right?

01:26:18.000 But then as I get older, I find things pulling myself, pulling me away from that, right?

01:26:24.000 Like my children, my businesses, my wife.

01:26:29.000 I want to travel with her.

01:26:31.000 There's so many things I want to do.

01:26:35.000 I get myself former fights.

01:26:37.000 Sometimes I even look at it and I'm like, shit, it might be two.

01:26:40.000 Just because of my body.

01:26:42.000 It doesn't heal as fast.

01:26:43.000 It just doesn't.

01:26:46.000 We'll see.

01:26:47.000 I'm just trying to stay focused.

01:26:49.000 Do different things.

01:26:51.000 I always tell people...

01:26:53.000 It's important to focus on what makes most of your money, but you have to branch off to do different things.

01:26:59.000 I just started investing in tech.

01:27:01.000 I invested in my quantum mini square bars.

01:27:05.000 Those are good.

01:27:07.000 Tell people what it is again, because you talk like you fight.

01:27:10.000 Yeah.

01:27:10.000 You talk a million miles an hour.

01:27:12.000 I know, you're sitting here, you're just like...

01:27:14.000 They flow into each other.

01:27:15.000 No, no, no, I'm paying attention, but I don't know what the fuck you said the name of your bars are.

01:27:19.000 Neither does anybody else.

01:27:21.000 Quantum Energy Squares.

01:27:22.000 Yes, yes.

01:27:23.000 We just launched in HEB, which is a big thing here in Austin.

01:27:26.000 That's one of the things I'm doing.

01:27:28.000 It's the first to market caffeinated bars and it's basically whole foods mixed with caffeine and it gives you that long lasting energy.

01:27:36.000 So typically in the morning when people have their coffee or have you get your energy consumption where it's caffeine, well mostly caffeine.

01:27:43.000 There it is right there.

01:27:44.000 I ate one before this podcast.

01:27:46.000 They're very delicious.

01:27:47.000 Well, I gave some to my father-in-law when he goes hunting over in Idaho and Utah, and he'll eat them, and it gives him good energy.

01:27:56.000 Because you hunt, you know how fucking long you're out there for.

01:27:59.000 You're out there for a very, very long time.

01:28:00.000 It's a lot of energy burning, too.

01:28:01.000 Right?

01:28:02.000 And sometimes, I had one the other day in the morning, because Tanith, I call her Miss Hurd, because she's my four-year-old daughter.

01:28:10.000 Her sleep patterns are so horrible that it's not even funny.

01:28:13.000 I'm like, I don't understand what's going on.

01:28:16.000 So I would sleep.

01:28:19.000 I would put her to bed at 8. She wakes up at midnight.

01:28:22.000 Then put her back to bed.

01:28:23.000 She wakes up at 3 a.m.

01:28:24.000 And then I gotta go train.

01:28:25.000 I was like, I need something to give me a pick-me-up.

01:28:28.000 I hate coffee because I feel like it dehydrates me.

01:28:31.000 And so I'll take one of these bad boys, chop it up, put it in my oatmeal, throw some chocolate milk in there as well.

01:28:37.000 Mix that bad boy up.

01:28:38.000 Eat that.

01:28:39.000 Go to the gym.

01:28:40.000 Feel great, man.

01:28:41.000 So what is in it?

01:28:43.000 You said it has 100 milligrams of caffeine.

01:28:46.000 So the caffeine is equivalent to one cup of coffee, right?

01:28:49.000 So it has the whole foods in it.

01:28:51.000 It has pumpkin seeds, MCT oil, chia seeds.

01:28:53.000 We have multiple flavors, coconut flakes.

01:28:56.000 My favorite flavor is a dark chocolate pink Himalayan salt.

01:29:00.000 Yes, sir.

01:29:01.000 Is that a mix of those?

01:29:02.000 This is a variety pack.

01:29:04.000 So is the pink Himalayan salt one in there?

01:29:06.000 Yeah, I think you already ate that one already.

01:29:08.000 Is that what I ate?

01:29:08.000 That shit was good.

01:29:09.000 Oh, there's one more.

01:29:10.000 Yeah, so this one right here.

01:29:12.000 But just this side of life, starting businesses and aligning myself with businesses, the very first packaging we had on this, it was great, right?

01:29:23.000 But then to see when we changed the packaging, to see the difference of the sales, it was like night and day.

01:29:29.000 Just the way it looks?

01:29:30.000 Just the way it looks.

01:29:31.000 Just the way it looks, people know it's more of a lifestyle.

01:29:34.000 You don't have to eat this if you're a professional athlete or whatnot.

01:29:38.000 Just those things.

01:29:39.000 Another business I do is Zeekin, which is...

01:29:43.000 You probably know some stuff about this.

01:29:46.000 When you stream...

01:29:47.000 Not stream, but when you're on YouTube and you have your ads coming through, you don't get to dictate what ad comes on or whatnot, right?

01:29:56.000 You don't get to do that.

01:29:57.000 But with Zeekin, we want to give the power...

01:30:01.000 Back to the creator, right?

01:30:03.000 So a lot of stuff has been going on with Twitch, YouTube.

01:30:06.000 You have Mixer.

01:30:07.000 Jamie can talk about this a little more because he's in this room with me.

01:30:10.000 You have Facebook as well.

01:30:12.000 A lot of the content creators, when they make their content, they're only getting a certain amount of revenue split, whether it's 50-50, 70-30.

01:30:19.000 It's very unheard of.

01:30:20.000 You get 80-20, right?

01:30:22.000 So with Zeekin, we're trying to give the power back to the creator where Joe gets to choose what ads he wants to be ran on his content, right?

01:30:32.000 Because if you go on Twitch, it might be fucking Domino's Pizza and you have no say so what's on there, right?

01:30:39.000 So with Zeekin, we're trying to give that back to the concert creator.

01:30:43.000 So that's another thing that we're going to...

01:30:45.000 So what is it?

01:30:45.000 Is it a platform?

01:30:46.000 So it's a live broadcasting studio, right?

01:30:50.000 So that's like its basis right now, right?

01:30:55.000 Basis?

01:30:56.000 Well, it's basically what it is right now.

01:30:58.000 Okay.

01:30:58.000 And so how I use it or how it's being used is you go on a live stream.

01:31:03.000 I live stream.

01:31:04.000 I send you the link, right?

01:31:05.000 And when I send you the link, I'm doing a seminar on there, right?

01:31:09.000 And let's say you want to be able to ask me a question.

01:31:11.000 You raise your hand.

01:31:13.000 We're trying to fix this.

01:31:13.000 My job is to break this and make it more polished, right?

01:31:16.000 Okay.

01:31:18.000 You raise your hand.

01:31:19.000 You raise your hand.

01:31:20.000 I bring you into the actual live stream itself.

01:31:22.000 So there are a couple things out there that are kind of like that, like StreamYard or whatever it may be, but that's taking a screen capture of your camera to where I'm actually bringing you into the live feed.

01:31:33.000 But is this a separate platform or are you using this like on Twitch?

01:31:38.000 No, this is a separate platform.

01:31:39.000 So it's a new platform.

01:31:40.000 It's a new platform.

01:31:41.000 New platform, right?

01:31:42.000 So a new streaming platform where you control the ads.

01:31:46.000 That's what we're getting to.

01:31:47.000 That's what you're trying to get.

01:31:48.000 That's what we're trying to get to.

01:31:50.000 The way I like to use it, when I got brought on, is I was sitting in the office in Seattle.

01:31:55.000 It's a startup company.

01:31:56.000 I'm sitting there and he's showing me all the stuff.

01:31:58.000 And I'm like, yeah, I know what this is.

01:32:00.000 He goes, you do?

01:32:01.000 And I was like, yeah, this is like OBS, XSplit.

01:32:03.000 And he goes, what do you mean?

01:32:04.000 And I was like, well, you have your canvas and you put overlays over it and then you stream it out to your customer.

01:32:11.000 And he goes, oh.

01:32:14.000 You want to be part of the company?

01:32:15.000 I would love to have your insight.

01:32:17.000 And I was like, absolutely.

01:32:18.000 Because it's something I do all the time when I'm streaming on Twitch, right?

01:32:21.000 But if I was to give you OBS... You know, you'd be like, what the hell am I doing with this, DJ? And I'm like, we'll build something.

01:32:27.000 With this, we're trying to make it friendly user to where if you give it to somebody, they're able to like, okay, I'm dragging this here, this here.

01:32:36.000 And you'll be surprised how people are like, this is too sophisticated.

01:32:40.000 I'm like, it's pretty easy.

01:32:42.000 So here's right here.

01:32:43.000 Drop in the product and it gives you all the...

01:32:45.000 The formation selling But also like when someone is on the stream like if you're wearing a shirt on the stream someone could click on your shirt Yep and sell the shirt.

01:32:55.000 Yeah, and the biggest thing is like when I use it I use it for my podcast when we're doing it and Like I said my job is to break it so I had like eight I think seven people All at once just chatting, right?

01:33:08.000 See if the audio is good.

01:33:10.000 No drops.

01:33:12.000 If it's all just going good.

01:33:15.000 Nobody's dropping.

01:33:15.000 No frames are dropping.

01:33:17.000 And there was a gentleman who was, I sent him the link, and he was like, we're all chatting.

01:33:21.000 And he goes, hey, I have a question.

01:33:22.000 I was like, what's up?

01:33:22.000 And he goes, I'm having a hard time boxing.

01:33:25.000 Like, with my one-two combination.

01:33:27.000 I'm like, okay, go on.

01:33:28.000 I'm listening.

01:33:28.000 And he started breaking down.

01:33:30.000 And he goes, I feel like when I throw my one-two, I'm overextending.

01:33:33.000 And I said, okay, well, let's pull up a video.

01:33:35.000 So I'm able to pull up a video, and eight of us are allowed to watch it together, and I can break it down live with him.

01:33:42.000 And I'm like, okay, so you see how this gentleman's going one, two, and he's not really overcommitting with the two.

01:33:48.000 He's just going pop-pop, pop-pop.

01:33:50.000 And he goes, oh, yeah, I see that.

01:33:51.000 I'm able to break that down in live time with that gentleman.

01:33:54.000 So that's one of the cool things about the program as well.

01:33:58.000 So it's interactive.

01:33:59.000 It's very interactive.

01:34:00.000 Very interactive.

01:34:01.000 Is that scalable?

01:34:03.000 Like, what if you've got a thousand people in a room with you?

01:34:05.000 Well, I mean, we'd fucking try, but it's, like I said, we're trying to work to that point, right?

01:34:09.000 So, right now, we're slowly getting more things.

01:34:15.000 We have a new update coming out in November, where you can actually start having certain scenes and size certain things down.

01:34:21.000 So, I'm just trying to stimulate my brain out of mixed martial arts, right?

01:34:26.000 Because I can't fight forever.

01:34:27.000 Right.

01:34:27.000 So right now, I find in August, so from August till maybe first quarter of 2023, I need to fill my time up with stuff besides my wife and the children.

01:34:39.000 Right.

01:34:39.000 And this is the stuff like- To try to create businesses.

01:34:41.000 Try to create businesses, right?

01:34:42.000 Right.

01:34:42.000 Because you realize that this is the home stretch.

01:34:45.000 This is the home stretch.

01:34:46.000 I know it is.

01:34:46.000 Like, I'm not afraid of it.

01:34:48.000 I'm not afraid of it.

01:34:49.000 I'm smiling at it because at some point you have to stop.

01:34:53.000 You have to.

01:34:54.000 I feel like you just have to as an athlete.

01:34:56.000 Because if my body recovered like it was when I was 26, then yeah, I can see myself growing for another 10 to 15 years.

01:35:02.000 But shit, my shin still hurts from kicking Adrian in August.

01:35:06.000 Does it really?

01:35:07.000 Well, I was grappling yesterday and somebody was on my shin.

01:35:11.000 I was like, fuck, that still hurts.

01:35:12.000 I'm like, why is that still hurting?

01:35:14.000 I got x-rays.

01:35:15.000 I got, what's it called?

01:35:17.000 MRI. MRI. Not MRI. Ultrasound.

01:35:20.000 Ultrasound.

01:35:21.000 Because when I fought Henry, I got a blood clot in my right leg, and I didn't know why.

01:35:25.000 Well, I know why, but I was like, my right leg hurts.

01:35:28.000 Why does it still hurt?

01:35:29.000 Excuse me.

01:35:31.000 Next thing you know, I tried CBD oil, rubbing it on air, still hurting.

01:35:35.000 Waking up in sweats.

01:35:37.000 Go to the doctor.

01:35:38.000 I actually talked to the...

01:35:40.000 What's her name?

01:35:41.000 Heather, who is...

01:35:43.000 She's the UFC's...

01:35:46.000 She does all the therapy, physical therapist.

01:35:49.000 And she goes, I think you might have a blood clot.

01:35:51.000 And I was like, okay.

01:35:53.000 I go to the doctor and I was like, hey dude, I need an ultrasound on my right leg.

01:35:57.000 He goes, why?

01:35:58.000 He goes, I think I got a blood clot.

01:35:59.000 He goes, look at you.

01:36:00.000 You're a fucking specimen.

01:36:02.000 Get out of here.

01:36:02.000 I'm like...

01:36:03.000 Okay, whatever.

01:36:04.000 I left.

01:36:06.000 That's a ridiculous thing for doctors.

01:36:08.000 I know that.

01:36:09.000 That's what he said though.

01:36:11.000 Then I called him back and I was like, hey dude, I'm still in pain.

01:36:14.000 Give me the ultrasound.

01:36:16.000 I'll give you cash.

01:36:18.000 Just give me the ultrasound.

01:36:20.000 Did the ultrasound.

01:36:21.000 I left.

01:36:22.000 He called me back ASAP. He goes, dude, you need to get in here right now.

01:36:25.000 I was like, what's up?

01:36:26.000 He goes, that is the biggest blood clot I've ever seen.

01:36:28.000 Get in here now.

01:36:29.000 Then I was on...

01:36:31.000 What was the medication I was on?

01:36:33.000 Zerato.

01:36:34.000 I was on Zerato for three months straight, and he goes, do not get cut, do not get any internal bleeding because I cannot reverse this.

01:36:41.000 My father-in-law, he's on Coumadin, I believe it is, which that one's reversible because he has a heart defect where his blood needs to be thin.

01:36:54.000 So the blood clot was from an impact?

01:36:56.000 It's from me just kicking the shit out of him in that fight.

01:36:58.000 Over and over and over and over.

01:36:59.000 And he goes, he said it was from the trauma.

01:37:02.000 And I was like, really?

01:37:03.000 Then one doctor says, oh, it's because you're dehydrated.

01:37:05.000 And I'm like, okay.

01:37:07.000 So every single time after my fights, like when I have my shins be bruised for that long, for two to three weeks, I'm like, I'm going to get an ultrasound.

01:37:14.000 He goes, it doesn't hurt to get it just because you're susceptible to them because you've had them before in the past.

01:37:19.000 So, but yeah.

01:37:19.000 Was that the only time you'd ever have a blood clot was from that?

01:37:22.000 From that, yeah.

01:37:23.000 It was the only time.

01:37:24.000 And it's just from the trauma of kicking.

01:37:26.000 Just from the trauma of kicking.

01:37:27.000 Shin to shin.

01:37:28.000 Yep.

01:37:28.000 But imagine that, like, you had that and it's like, I can't do this forever.

01:37:31.000 Right, right.

01:37:32.000 Right?

01:37:32.000 And so that's why I have to think outside the box.

01:37:35.000 What do you do for recovery?

01:37:37.000 Are you doing ice baths, sauna?

01:37:39.000 Are you doing...

01:37:40.000 So when I was fighting Ra-Tang, I was doing ice baths.

01:37:44.000 I was doing that.

01:37:46.000 And then I would do the hot tub.

01:37:49.000 But then it got super cold in my fucking...

01:37:52.000 Ice bath froze, so I couldn't use it anymore because we live in Washington, so it just gets below 40 degrees.

01:37:58.000 So it was just a brick of ice.

01:37:59.000 So now, honestly, the only thing I do for recovery is just chill, hang out with the wife.

01:38:03.000 So it became a solid piece of ice?

01:38:06.000 One big solid ice, like an ice skating rink.

01:38:08.000 But you need to get one that doesn't get that cold.

01:38:10.000 I know, I know, I know.

01:38:11.000 I'm working on it.

01:38:12.000 What kind of an ice bath was it?

01:38:14.000 It was a trowel.

01:38:15.000 It was a horse trowel.

01:38:16.000 Oh, so it was just like some primitive thing.

01:38:18.000 Just primitive.

01:38:19.000 Yeah, okay.

01:38:20.000 Just fill it up with water and then climb in there.

01:38:23.000 Climb in there.

01:38:23.000 It got to like, I think the lowest we got it was like 47 degrees.

01:38:27.000 But that shouldn't freeze.

01:38:28.000 No, that's the lowest we got it.

01:38:30.000 But that was at a certain point in time in the wintertime.

01:38:32.000 Then it got lower.

01:38:33.000 The temperatures dropped even more.

01:38:35.000 Like this is probably the most like barbaric thing.

01:38:38.000 Not barbaric, but it's like I put water in it and we get freezing temperatures in Washington State.

01:38:43.000 So it just stays cold.

01:38:44.000 So it stays cold.

01:38:45.000 So it actually got a big, solid block of ice.

01:38:47.000 You're an elite professional athlete.

01:38:49.000 You need to get yourself a real cold plunge.

01:38:51.000 I know, I know.

01:38:52.000 I'm sure someone will send you one.

01:38:53.000 I just bought a sauna from Costco, though, so we're going to build my home.

01:38:56.000 Yeah, so I'm making the right steps, right steps to get there.

01:39:01.000 Have you put that together yet?

01:39:03.000 Not yet.

01:39:03.000 No, no, no, no.

01:39:04.000 Sauna's huge.

01:39:05.000 Yeah, I just saw yours, and we got the ice barrel, but...

01:39:10.000 The barrel sauna?

01:39:11.000 Yeah, we have a Saluce.

01:39:12.000 It's a Saluce sauna.

01:39:14.000 I love it, man.

01:39:14.000 The one that we have here at the studio, best sauna I've ever had.

01:39:17.000 It's amazing.

01:39:18.000 It's perfect size.

01:39:20.000 I noticed a difference when I was in the ice bath.

01:39:22.000 Because, not ice bath, but the ice plunge.

01:39:24.000 Because when I was sparring, the Muay Thai sparring was like, Matt was on me like white on rice.

01:39:30.000 Like in my face, flowing.

01:39:32.000 And this is why my mindset had to change.

01:39:35.000 Because when you're getting ready to do a Muay Thai fight with Ron Tang, The amount of kicking I was doing and the amount of injuries I had.

01:39:43.000 I remember I pulled my groin and then I was kicking.

01:39:47.000 I remember I kicked James and I jumped off him and I planted and I started stumbling.

01:39:53.000 Matt goes, whoa, what the fuck is that?

01:39:55.000 I was like, uh, my foot.

01:39:57.000 And he goes, what's wrong?

01:39:58.000 I was like...

01:39:59.000 I can't walk.

01:40:00.000 Well, I couldn't walk.

01:40:01.000 I can't plant to throw.

01:40:03.000 He goes, what happened?

01:40:04.000 I was like, well, I'm fucking kicking all day and kicking elbows, kicking knees.

01:40:09.000 So what do you want me to do?

01:40:10.000 Stop?

01:40:10.000 And he was like, no, we got to rest.

01:40:12.000 We got to find other ways to train around that.

01:40:14.000 But all the sparring I would do, so my routine would be Monday would be pads, conditioning.

01:40:21.000 Tuesday would be sparring, hard sparring at night.

01:40:24.000 And then Wednesday would be hard grappling.

01:40:26.000 And then Wednesday night would be off.

01:40:27.000 So after the hard Wednesday grappling, come home, jump in the cold plunge.

01:40:33.000 I'll do 10 minutes in the cold plunge.

01:40:36.000 10 minutes, really?

01:40:37.000 Oh, dude.

01:40:37.000 Wow.

01:40:38.000 Dude, I've done 47 minutes in...

01:40:39.000 What?

01:40:40.000 47 minutes?

01:40:41.000 Oh, excuse me, that's 47!

01:40:42.000 47 degrees.

01:40:43.000 That's the lowest I've got.

01:40:44.000 So I've done in 47 degrees, I've done 10 minutes, 10 minutes in there, 10 minutes in a hot tub, 10 minutes in there, and I love it.

01:40:52.000 I noticed a huge difference.

01:40:54.000 So me and the wife are trying to get the sauna set up first.

01:40:57.000 Then we'll look for the next step to keep...

01:41:00.000 I saw GSP has the ice barrel.

01:41:02.000 And I know ice barrel doesn't offer the temperature.

01:41:05.000 But I saw his had a temperature where he can regulate the temperature in his.

01:41:10.000 I don't know about that one.

01:41:12.000 What does he have?

01:41:12.000 It was on his Instagram.

01:41:14.000 I saw it and I was like, I wonder if his is...

01:41:18.000 Has some sort of a cooling element?

01:41:20.000 Yes, he wasn't advertising it.

01:41:21.000 It was like something like I'm going through and I follow him and I saw it and I was like, what's that thing right here?

01:41:25.000 I screenshot it and I was like, what is that?

01:41:28.000 And I tried to zoom in on it, but I didn't know what it was.

01:41:30.000 And I went to their website and I was like, I don't see that.

01:41:32.000 So we're trying to find a solution for the cold plunge.

01:41:35.000 What's going to be the easiest non-maintenance thing that I can use in order to have that cold go back and forth?

01:41:42.000 Well, you have a good social media platform.

01:41:44.000 I'm sure someone will want to give you one after listening to this.

01:41:47.000 Maybe.

01:41:47.000 We'll see.

01:41:48.000 Here it is.

01:41:49.000 Not that one.

01:41:49.000 So that's him pouring ice in there.

01:41:51.000 Yeah, not that one.

01:41:52.000 It's a different one.

01:41:54.000 He actually had it on...

01:41:56.000 Just go to his actual Instagram and see.

01:41:58.000 He was talking.

01:41:59.000 He goes, you guys, if you want to...

01:42:01.000 I think it was challenges or whatever.

01:42:03.000 I think it was his morning routine.

01:42:04.000 It was just him jumping in real quick and on the very far right...

01:42:08.000 That's not GSP. That poor girl probably gets attacked constantly.

01:42:15.000 Oh, that's awesome.

01:42:16.000 Like, who are you?

01:42:17.000 She's only got 630. There it is, George St. Pierre.

01:42:20.000 So scroll down a little bit.

01:42:22.000 Right, I think it's that one right there.

01:42:23.000 Right there, the middle one.

01:42:24.000 Yep.

01:42:25.000 You see that thing in the bottom to the bottom here, right?

01:42:26.000 It seems like the same one.

01:42:27.000 Oh, okay.

01:42:28.000 Yeah, look at that right there.

01:42:28.000 Look at that.

01:42:29.000 Look at that.

01:42:29.000 Oh, interesting.

01:42:30.000 You ain't fooling nobody.

01:42:31.000 Interesting.

01:42:31.000 See that right there?

01:42:32.000 I saw that and I was like, they don't offer that on their website, but what is that?

01:42:37.000 Because that looks very...

01:42:38.000 It says, big project in the work.

01:42:42.000 So maybe it's that.

01:42:43.000 Maybe it's that.

01:42:44.000 You got me!

01:42:44.000 You got me, GSP! So I'm trying to look at the most very convenient way to do it.

01:42:50.000 Like Dasana, my buddy has one.

01:42:52.000 He says, dude, all I have to do is stay in it twice a year, and that's it.

01:42:55.000 Set it and leave it.

01:42:56.000 The sauna you mean?

01:42:57.000 The sauna that he has.

01:42:59.000 And he's had it for a year and I'm like, perfect.

01:43:01.000 I'll buy it.

01:43:02.000 It's easy.

01:43:02.000 We've had this sauna for a long time and I've got one at home, same company.

01:43:06.000 So what's your maintenance?

01:43:07.000 Sauna?

01:43:08.000 Nothing.

01:43:08.000 Zero.

01:43:09.000 That's what I want.

01:43:09.000 Turn it on.

01:43:10.000 But I know with the hot tub I had, It was like, you gotta check the chemicals, you gotta check all that stuff.

01:43:15.000 A hot tub's not as good.

01:43:16.000 The reason why a hot tub's not as good is because it can't get as hot because it'll cook.

01:43:19.000 You can cook in dry air in the sauna, you can get really hot, and that's when your body produces the heat shock proteins.

01:43:26.000 But with the maintenance of the sauna, not worry about how hot it gets, just the maintenance.

01:43:31.000 It's easy.

01:43:31.000 It just doesn't break.

01:43:33.000 No, excuse me, the hot tub.

01:43:35.000 The maintenance of a hot tub of checking the water, it needs more pH level.

01:43:39.000 It's like a pool.

01:43:39.000 Exactly, where it's like, I don't have the time.

01:43:41.000 A sauna's good for you either.

01:43:43.000 I mean, a hot tub's great for you, don't get me wrong, but you don't get the same reaction that you get from a sauna.

01:43:50.000 A sauna's the way to go.

01:43:52.000 That motherfucker gets hot.

01:43:54.000 So we're doing Asana, but like with the cold plunge, right?

01:43:57.000 Like I looked at the cold plunge that, so the iceberg, we looked at that.

01:44:02.000 It's easy to drain.

01:44:03.000 Flip the knob.

01:44:04.000 It comes out.

01:44:05.000 Fill it up.

01:44:05.000 Puts your ice in it.

01:44:06.000 It's good, right?

01:44:07.000 Then we looked at the ice bath.

01:44:09.000 It's like the ice plunge.

01:44:10.000 You sit in it, but you have a filter.

01:44:12.000 You got to have this and that.

01:44:13.000 And I'm like, that's too much maintenance for me.

01:44:15.000 Like, I don't Yeah, but they don't require that much maintenance.

01:44:18.000 It's not that big a deal.

01:44:19.000 I've only had one issue with either one of them.

01:44:22.000 I have at home, I have a Morosco.

01:44:24.000 Morosco cold punch, which is amazing.

01:44:26.000 And then here we have a blue cube, which is also amazing.

01:44:28.000 And there's no maintenance.

01:44:29.000 We've had one problem with this one where there's something wrong with the motor, but they came and fixed it really quickly.

01:44:35.000 Not problem, it's just maintenance.

01:44:36.000 No, maintenance is nothing.

01:44:37.000 Oh, okay.

01:44:38.000 It's nothing.

01:44:39.000 I'm a lazy person, okay?

01:44:40.000 I'm not going to lie to you.

01:44:41.000 You're not lazy.

01:44:42.000 How dare you?

01:44:44.000 You clearly don't know any really lazy person.

01:44:47.000 I'd like to introduce you to some of my friends.

01:44:51.000 Some real lazy people.

01:44:53.000 You'll feel real good about yourself.

01:44:57.000 I just want easy maintenance.

01:45:02.000 If I forget to do something for two months, I don't want to come back to see all this algae growing.

01:45:08.000 I don't fuck with mine.

01:45:10.000 I maintain mine at home.

01:45:12.000 It's easy.

01:45:12.000 You're also a very busy person.

01:45:15.000 You're very...

01:45:19.000 I stay on top of shit.

01:45:20.000 Yeah, you stay on top of shit.

01:45:21.000 I don't.

01:45:21.000 But it's not that hard to do, man.

01:45:23.000 I'm climbing that motherfucker every day.

01:45:25.000 It's no maintenance.

01:45:27.000 There's a little thing that I have to clean every now and then that's a filter.

01:45:30.000 It takes me a minute.

01:45:32.000 See, that's not bad.

01:45:32.000 I pop it off, I hose it off with a garden hose, and then I put it back in there, and then I climb in.

01:45:40.000 There's ice floating in it.

01:45:41.000 It's amazing.

01:45:42.000 So I'm hoping we can solve that problem when time comes.

01:45:45.000 My wife's like, let's get the sauna going, because she'll use She loves Asana.

01:45:50.000 The two of them together is the most amazing combination.

01:45:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:45:53.000 And after I'm done competing full-time, you know, the businesses are going, I'll still see them go.

01:46:01.000 I'm still going to try to compete in something, right?

01:46:04.000 You think you'll do grappling competitions?

01:46:06.000 It'll be grappling.

01:46:06.000 It was going to be motocross, right?

01:46:08.000 Oh, my God.

01:46:09.000 I know.

01:46:09.000 Don't die.

01:46:10.000 I know.

01:46:11.000 Come on, man.

01:46:12.000 Well, so my son, he loves motocross, like my oldest, right?

01:46:16.000 And I bought him a bike.

01:46:19.000 And next thing you know, I'm like, man, this looks like a lot of fun.

01:46:22.000 I want to try it, right?

01:46:23.000 So I bought myself a bike.

01:46:24.000 And I had like, you know, 150cc, a Honda.

01:46:29.000 And I'm sitting there and everyone's like, you know, it's a little kid bike.

01:46:31.000 And I was like, I'm built like a little kid.

01:46:32.000 I'm 142 pounds, 5'3".

01:46:36.000 Your son's bigger than me, and he's fucking 12, okay?

01:46:38.000 So I'm in the kick category.

01:46:40.000 But he was like, no, dude, you need a legit 250 FC. And I'm like, okay, fine.

01:46:45.000 So I got a 250 Husqvarna, and I'm fucking going off jumps.

01:46:51.000 Not very fast, but I'm not going fast, but I'm going off whipping.

01:46:55.000 And we went to Disneyland.

01:46:59.000 I see all these people in wheelchairs.

01:47:00.000 I'm like...

01:47:02.000 Yeah, I need to stop riding dirt bikes.

01:47:03.000 I think I'm going to give it up.

01:47:05.000 But motocross was going to be my theme.

01:47:07.000 I was going to fuel my desire to compete.

01:47:10.000 But then after I found jiu-jitsu, the place I train at now, I'm like, okay, I'm going to try to compete in IBJJF. I asked one, I was like, hey guys, can I compete at IBJJF this year?

01:47:24.000 They're like, no.

01:47:26.000 Yeah, what did you tear your ACL? That's what he said.

01:47:28.000 And now I was like...

01:47:30.000 Does IBJJF, do they do heel hooks and knee reaps and stuff like that?

01:47:34.000 I'm not sure.

01:47:35.000 I'm not sure.

01:47:36.000 But it would have been in Nagui.

01:47:37.000 And I'm on the Abram belt.

01:47:38.000 And everybody was like, you're going to get destroyed.

01:47:40.000 I was like, I don't care.

01:47:41.000 At least I tried.

01:47:42.000 And see what it's like, you know?

01:47:43.000 Yeah, you will for a little.

01:47:45.000 And then you'll become a lead at that.

01:47:46.000 I hope.

01:47:47.000 100%.

01:47:48.000 I hope.

01:47:48.000 You're a fucking champion, bro.

01:47:50.000 You got a champion's mind.

01:47:52.000 You're not going to suck.

01:47:53.000 Yeah.

01:47:54.000 I mean, so far it's been going good.

01:47:56.000 I mean, the place I train at, the vibe is good.

01:48:00.000 The professor's energy is amazing.

01:48:01.000 Beautiful.

01:48:02.000 That's everything.

01:48:03.000 Yeah.

01:48:04.000 That's everything.

01:48:04.000 You're so fortunate.

01:48:06.000 To have a good place.

01:48:07.000 You know, we're very fortunate here in Austin because we have Tenth Planet.

01:48:12.000 It's right down the street.

01:48:13.000 There's a little bit from here.

01:48:14.000 And then John Donaher, very close.

01:48:17.000 And I mean, there's fucking Shanji Hiberos here.

01:48:20.000 You know, there's Gracie Baja.

01:48:22.000 There's like so many gyms here.

01:48:24.000 It's amazing.

01:48:25.000 It's an incredible place.

01:48:26.000 I got to train with John.

01:48:27.000 I took one of his classes and...

01:48:30.000 He's a goddamn wizard.

01:48:31.000 I was impressed.

01:48:32.000 I was, you know, I'm healing.

01:48:34.000 I got an MCL tear that I'm healing.

01:48:37.000 And I was here yesterday with Maynard from Tool.

01:48:41.000 And Maynard had John Donaher on the mats coaching him.

01:48:44.000 It was incredible.

01:48:45.000 Like watching John go over details.

01:48:48.000 I was like, God damn.

01:48:49.000 I like his energy, how it's just like, good job, Demetrius.

01:48:51.000 He's amazing.

01:48:52.000 Good job, Juan.

01:48:52.000 Good job, Gordon.

01:48:53.000 It's just that chill, consistent, you know, just relaxed vibes.

01:48:57.000 He's so obsessed with people getting better.

01:49:00.000 I mean, that is all the guy does.

01:49:01.000 You talk to Gordon about it, that is all the guy does.

01:49:04.000 He trains people all day long, and then he watches tape.

01:49:08.000 That's all the guy does.

01:49:09.000 The guy has zero life.

01:49:11.000 He doesn't even have fucking furniture in his apartment.

01:49:14.000 I heard about that.

01:49:15.000 I was like, you guys are fucking lying, right?

01:49:17.000 He goes, no.

01:49:17.000 He has no furniture.

01:49:18.000 I think somebody forced him to buy furniture and a TV. I've never seen him out of a rash guard.

01:49:23.000 Yeah.

01:49:24.000 When you go to dinner with him, he wears a rash guard.

01:49:25.000 You never know.

01:49:26.000 He's like, you never know.

01:49:27.000 Shit might pop off right here and I'm ready to go.

01:49:29.000 He just doesn't feel the need to wear anything else.

01:49:31.000 It's acceptable clothing.

01:49:33.000 He gives zero fucks about what he looks like.

01:49:36.000 He gives zero fucks.

01:49:37.000 He wears a fanny pack everywhere.

01:49:38.000 Hey, good for him.

01:49:39.000 He doesn't give a He's living his best life, baby.

01:49:41.000 He's a master.

01:49:42.000 He is so unusual.

01:49:44.000 To try to find another one of those.

01:49:46.000 You could find someone who's faking it, but they'll have ego, they'll have this, they'll have problems.

01:49:52.000 He is such a treasure.

01:49:54.000 It takes a special person to dedicate your life to teaching people.

01:50:00.000 Have you ever listened to him talk like on John Donaher was on Lex Friedman's podcast?

01:50:05.000 I've heard him on here.

01:50:05.000 I've heard him on this podcast before.

01:50:07.000 I met him in Japan when he was getting ready to help Gary Tonin fight.

01:50:11.000 But same consistent vibes.

01:50:15.000 I like it because He's so knowledgeable, and he's just like...

01:50:18.000 And taking his class, it's very fast-paced.

01:50:20.000 He's like, okay, guys, what do I do?

01:50:21.000 Come right here.

01:50:22.000 You're going to flip him up like this.

01:50:23.000 Get him down like that.

01:50:24.000 Boom.

01:50:24.000 Okay, once again.

01:50:25.000 Do it again.

01:50:25.000 Okay.

01:50:26.000 All right, guys, go.

01:50:27.000 And Yu's just like, all right, let's try it, guys.

01:50:29.000 One, two, three.

01:50:30.000 There's like a rhythm.

01:50:32.000 At the beginning, I was like...

01:50:33.000 And everyone was like...

01:50:35.000 Like, no one whatsoever.

01:50:36.000 I'm like, fuck it.

01:50:38.000 Nobody's on the vibe.

01:50:39.000 I'm just going to do my own thing and do the class.

01:50:42.000 But absolutely amazing.

01:50:44.000 No, he's a genuinely unusual human being.

01:50:48.000 And it's like, you hear about people like that in movies.

01:50:51.000 Yeah.

01:50:52.000 You know?

01:50:53.000 That are like so singularly focused and dedicated.

01:50:57.000 But it's rare to actually come across one in real life.

01:50:59.000 And it translates to his athletes.

01:51:02.000 Like, Gordon trains seven days a week.

01:51:04.000 I heard.

01:51:05.000 So...

01:51:06.000 365 days a year.

01:51:07.000 Fuck you, Christmas.

01:51:08.000 Fuck you, New Year's.

01:51:10.000 Fuck your birthday.

01:51:11.000 Yeah.

01:51:12.000 Yeah, you're training.

01:51:12.000 When I asked him, and I said, you know, because one of the coaches at Grapple Club asked me, he goes, hey, can you pick their brain on, like, what, like, their training regimen is?

01:51:23.000 I was like, sure.

01:51:23.000 And I asked him, he says, they train, there's no days off.

01:51:27.000 They train three times a day.

01:51:29.000 Two-hour sessions.

01:51:31.000 And the third session is intensity.

01:51:34.000 So he's like, I believe in volume, right?

01:51:37.000 A lot of volume and then a little bit intensity.

01:51:40.000 For pure grappling, not mixed martial arts.

01:51:43.000 He goes, mixed martial arts, it's not feasible.

01:51:46.000 You can't even do that, right?

01:51:47.000 So I can kind of understand how they just grapple.

01:51:51.000 Seven days a week, no off days, intensity.

01:51:54.000 And I was like, okay, what about days off?

01:51:55.000 And he goes, no days off.

01:51:56.000 And he goes, if an athlete decides that he needs a day off, then I think that person should be mature enough to understand that he needs to take a day off.

01:52:04.000 I will never fight an athlete if they need a day off.

01:52:07.000 And I think that's very important as a coach and athlete understanding or bond that a coach, I need time off.

01:52:15.000 No, you don't!

01:52:15.000 Get your ass back on that mat!

01:52:17.000 But I'm sure if Gary was like, hey dude, I need time off, I need to take two days off, three days off, I'm sure John's like, you go ahead and do your thing, man.

01:52:25.000 Of course.

01:52:25.000 If you're dedicated enough that he understands who you are, that you're all in, and you're saying, hey man, something's up.

01:52:32.000 My body's falling apart here.

01:52:34.000 I need a little bit of a break.

01:52:35.000 He knows you're not fucking off.

01:52:37.000 You actually do need a break.

01:52:39.000 But that's the difference.

01:52:41.000 But he has zero patience for lazy people.

01:52:44.000 There's certain people that just like...

01:52:46.000 You know guys like that.

01:52:48.000 How many talented people have you met that could have been great, but they lack the discipline?

01:52:54.000 I've never met anybody who lacked the discipline.

01:52:56.000 I've met people who've lacked the...

01:52:59.000 What's the one I'm looking for?

01:53:01.000 Injury prone.

01:53:01.000 Consistency?

01:53:02.000 Oh, injury prone.

01:53:02.000 Injury prone, right?

01:53:04.000 I have never, out of all the people I've ever trained with, I've never met somebody who's been lazy.

01:53:10.000 Really?

01:53:11.000 I never have.

01:53:12.000 But there are people, like BJ Penn.

01:53:14.000 He was like super fucking talented, but it was hard for him to get training.

01:53:18.000 But then when he started training with Marv Marinovich, and they put him through those intensive strength and conditioning sessions.

01:53:23.000 He was like, fuck this!

01:53:24.000 But also, that was when he was at the very best.

01:53:26.000 Like the Sean Shirk fight, the Diego Sanchez fight.

01:53:29.000 Like that was prime BJ pin.

01:53:32.000 Where he was just a fucking unstoppable force.

01:53:34.000 Yeah, I've never come across that.

01:53:37.000 It's usually injury prone.

01:53:40.000 Some of the things that I've seen, my buddy, the guy I fought in Muay Thai as an amateur, he broke my rib.

01:53:46.000 Scott, he was a fucking nasty, nasty athlete.

01:53:52.000 We would sprint together.

01:53:54.000 He's right next to me or ahead of me.

01:53:56.000 We'd grapple.

01:53:57.000 He's hanging with me grappling.

01:53:58.000 And we're amateur.

01:53:59.000 We weren't professional yet.

01:54:01.000 But he would always just injure himself.

01:54:03.000 And I don't forget, you know, we were training in the morning and we were training at night.

01:54:07.000 I'm next door playing video games and he's next door, I call him gangster rounds.

01:54:11.000 He's just going through everybody, just grappling, grappling.

01:54:14.000 Next thing you know, somebody comes next door and goes, DJ, you need to come next door.

01:54:18.000 I'm like, what's up?

01:54:19.000 He goes, it's Scott.

01:54:20.000 I come next door and I'm like, Scott, what's up?

01:54:22.000 He goes, he goes, pull this shirt down.

01:54:28.000 Fucking AC joint was like, bop!

01:54:30.000 I was hanging out.

01:54:31.000 He was going to fight.

01:54:31.000 I'm like, dude, you have to chill.

01:54:34.000 You will break your body.

01:54:36.000 You're not lazy.

01:54:37.000 But that's the biggest thing as an athlete.

01:54:38.000 We always worry that we're not going to be ready.

01:54:42.000 We're ready for the competition.

01:54:46.000 So we over-train.

01:54:47.000 He was one of those guys that he would have been Very, very special in mixed martial or whatever he did in athletics, but he was very injury prone.

01:54:55.000 How many more injuries did he have besides that?

01:54:57.000 Oh, dude.

01:54:58.000 He's broke his hand.

01:55:01.000 He injured his...

01:55:02.000 He got cauliflower ear and I made fun of him.

01:55:04.000 He got cauliflower ear and then he ended up getting surgery to fix his cauliflower ear.

01:55:08.000 Oh, boy.

01:55:08.000 He came back He came back in the gym, bop, bop, blew back up.

01:55:14.000 He was like, I got fucking surgery and it blew back up.

01:55:16.000 I was like, I told you it's going to blow back up.

01:55:18.000 Well, you can't.

01:55:19.000 You're not supposed to train for a while after you get that.

01:55:22.000 And you should wear ear guards.

01:55:24.000 Well, he didn't.

01:55:24.000 And it blew back up.

01:55:26.000 I wore ear guards the entire time I trained jujitsu.

01:55:28.000 That's why I don't have any.

01:55:29.000 I have little tiny pieces of cauliflower, little parts of my ear, but my ears are normal because they're supposed to be normal.

01:55:35.000 Like, this is what I say to people, and I know you're a fighter, but this is what I say to people that, like, love the look.

01:55:40.000 I go, take your ear and go like that and pinch it down and listen to things.

01:55:45.000 And talk, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.

01:55:47.000 Now let it go.

01:55:48.000 Yeah.

01:55:48.000 And, oh, it sounds better, right?

01:55:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:50.000 Well, do you want the whole world to be like this from now on?

01:55:54.000 Well, I'll tell you, Joe, I am tone deaf.

01:55:57.000 I can't fucking sing, and that might be the reason why, because my cough my ears, but I don't think the words like blah blah blah blah.

01:56:02.000 But it sounds less, like, there's a reason why your ears design that way.

01:56:07.000 It sort of captures the sound waves and puts them through the ear canal.

01:56:12.000 It's a very specific design by nature.

01:56:14.000 And if you fuck that up by calcium deposits...

01:56:19.000 People are like, you fucking wear it, you pussy.

01:56:22.000 I was like, hey man, I want to hear things.

01:56:25.000 People would make fun of me.

01:56:26.000 I'm like, I don't care.

01:56:27.000 Say whatever you want.

01:56:28.000 I don't want my ears to be fucked up.

01:56:30.000 That cracks me up.

01:56:31.000 I was like, your ears are fucked up.

01:56:32.000 Well, I mean, they are.

01:56:33.000 They are.

01:56:34.000 They're fucked up.

01:56:34.000 They are.

01:56:34.000 How many guys do you know that can't even get earbuds in their ears?

01:56:37.000 Because you, right?

01:56:38.000 You have to go over the ear because your ears are so fucked up.

01:56:41.000 They don't stick in there because everything's hard as a rock.

01:56:44.000 I hate it.

01:56:45.000 When you're done fighting, you're going to get it cleaned out?

01:56:46.000 Hell no.

01:56:47.000 Ah!

01:56:48.000 I'm going to still compete.

01:56:49.000 I'm going to still compete, right?

01:56:52.000 I thought about if I got my ears like this, like pinned back a little bit, but I'm like, no, I don't want to do it.

01:56:59.000 Just leave them like this, just out there and try to capture all the sound that it can with its big ass calcified.

01:57:04.000 It's like, try to get everything.

01:57:05.000 Don't worry about it.

01:57:06.000 Hard as a rock, right?

01:57:07.000 Oh yeah, hard as a rock.

01:57:08.000 But that shit breaks off too sometimes.

01:57:11.000 Did you see Matthias Gamrot and Benil Darius early in the fight?

01:57:15.000 That shit broke off and you start bleeding like crazy.

01:57:18.000 It's because it's a rock.

01:57:19.000 You've got a rock hanging off your head.

01:57:22.000 Yeah, luckily mine hasn't broken off yet, so I got four more fights and hopefully four more fights when we were good.

01:57:27.000 Remember Sakuraba always used to have tape all over his ears and shit?

01:57:30.000 His ears were fucked up.

01:57:32.000 But how about his knees, man?

01:57:34.000 That's what I'm talking about, right?

01:57:35.000 His legs were mummified.

01:57:36.000 Like, he would mummify his knees before competitions.

01:57:39.000 I remember, like, there has to be, you have to have, there has to be an end of the tunnel, right?

01:57:44.000 Like, the person I'm blown away by is Bibiano Fernandez.

01:57:48.000 He's 41 years old, and he's never had surgery in any injuries.

01:57:52.000 That's crazy.

01:57:52.000 That's, for how, I mean, he's a five-time World Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu champion.

01:57:57.000 Dream champion, one champion, the longest reigning, I believe.

01:58:02.000 He's never had...

01:58:04.000 That fight with Lineker was nuts.

01:58:05.000 Oh, fuck, I know.

01:58:06.000 That was nuts.

01:58:07.000 I know.

01:58:07.000 But it's just like he stood in the pocket too long.

01:58:10.000 He dropped Lineker.

01:58:11.000 Yeah.

01:58:11.000 He dropped Lineker, and when he went to follow up, he said he was so emotional that he was like, dude, I was fucking like...

01:58:18.000 He goes, I dropped him, and he goes, DJ, that right hand came out of nowhere.

01:58:22.000 I don't know where it come from.

01:58:24.000 But Lineker just...

01:58:26.000 Wings.

01:58:27.000 But they're like wrecking balls.

01:58:28.000 If you get out of the way, you're good.

01:58:30.000 But if you don't get out of the way, you're fucked.

01:58:32.000 You're fucked, man.

01:58:33.000 That dude hits so goddamn hard.

01:58:35.000 I'll never forget John Linderker's manager, Alex Davis.

01:58:41.000 He goes, when he was fighting us, Cisco Rivera, he was in the UFC. Francisco.

01:58:49.000 Francisco.

01:58:49.000 He goes, Don't stand with him.

01:58:52.000 Just, just, just, just, you know, out-wrestle him.

01:58:53.000 And he goes, okay, okay, okay.

01:58:55.000 They started banging, and when Jon got hit, Leonard got hit, he was like, oh, he punches like a pussy.

01:59:02.000 So he just kept on fucking going.

01:59:04.000 And then after the fight, Leonard, Alex goes, I told you not to stand with him.

01:59:08.000 He goes, oh, he punched like a pussy.

01:59:10.000 So I figured he would go out before I would.

01:59:11.000 And he goes, the kid's crazy, DJ. And I'm like, hey, hey, good for him.

01:59:15.000 You know, some people have that.

01:59:16.000 He's a bulldog man.

01:59:17.000 They have that bulldog and, you know, like, Fabrizio Andrade was able to capitalize on that, right?

01:59:22.000 He was like, he's going to swing, when he does, I'm going to land that liver shot over and over, right?

01:59:26.000 So, I mean...

01:59:27.000 Well, it's also a cumulative damage over a long career.

01:59:31.000 Yeah.

01:59:31.000 I mean, that dude has been banging for quite a long time.

01:59:35.000 And eventually, it's going to stop.

01:59:37.000 Yeah, you can't just fight like that.

01:59:39.000 Look at Chuck Liddell.

01:59:40.000 One day, the chin just goes.

01:59:42.000 Yep.

01:59:42.000 And that's what I say about Rod Tang.

01:59:44.000 One day that chin's gonna go.

01:59:46.000 It's just human nature.

01:59:48.000 It's just going to go.

01:59:49.000 But man, before it goes, what a fucking show that guy puts on.

01:59:53.000 Exactly.

01:59:54.000 Just ride it.

01:59:55.000 Just enjoy the ride, right?

01:59:56.000 It's just...

01:59:57.000 It's not...

01:59:58.000 Not Rod Tang, because Rod Tang does have great technique as well.

02:00:02.000 Oh, 1,000%.

02:00:02.000 He's absolutely...

02:00:04.000 There's no way better than him at that weight class.

02:00:06.000 When he fought...

02:00:08.000 John Haggerty and they were going back and forth and how he crosses distance and blocks and exchange and boom, boom, it hit him to the body and then went back to the body over and over again.

02:00:18.000 I'm like, yeah, he is a brilliant in Muay Thai.

02:00:21.000 He's not just, you know, a rock'em sock'em robot.

02:00:24.000 Does he have any desire to fight MMA other than that fight with you?

02:00:27.000 He said he does.

02:00:28.000 He said he wants to transition to mixed martial arts.

02:00:30.000 Really?

02:00:30.000 That's what he said.

02:00:31.000 But, you know, obviously...

02:00:33.000 It's a long road.

02:00:34.000 It's a long road, but Stamp Fairtex, she's been phenomenal in the transition to mixed martial arts.

02:00:42.000 So, if he gets to the right camp...

02:00:44.000 But I feel like girls wrestling is not at the level that men's wrestling is.

02:00:49.000 So when a woman is an elite striker, I feel like there's a...

02:00:53.000 Yes.

02:00:53.000 Yeah.

02:00:53.000 She has a better...

02:00:54.000 There's a better pathway.

02:00:55.000 A better pathway.

02:00:56.000 1,000%.

02:00:57.000 Yeah.

02:00:57.000 I mean, you look at Joanna Jacek, right?

02:00:59.000 Yeah.

02:00:59.000 Perfect example.

02:01:00.000 Perfect example, right?

02:01:01.000 I mean, Claudia Godela and her, they're back and forth.

02:01:04.000 It's like, if Claudia was just like, I'm going to go in there and take you down, pass your guard, submit you, that should have been the game plan, right?

02:01:10.000 Instead of trying to stand up with a fucking...

02:01:12.000 I don't know how many times she's won a world title in Muay Thai or whatever.

02:01:16.000 Some crazy amount, yeah.

02:01:17.000 Some crazy amount.

02:01:18.000 It's like, the game plan is to take her down and pass her guard, but...

02:01:20.000 But even Ioana, like, now, you see that she just can't take it the way she used to take it before.

02:01:25.000 Exactly.

02:01:26.000 The Thug Rose fight, and then Zhang Weili knocks her out in the last fight.

02:01:30.000 But she's still not ready to completely hang it up yet.

02:01:32.000 I thought she retired.

02:01:33.000 She's been talking lately, like, not totally ready to...

02:01:37.000 See, that's...

02:01:38.000 For me, that's, like, the biggest thing.

02:01:43.000 Will, he showed...

02:01:44.000 Will Harris, he showed me a clip he did with Kamaru Usman.

02:01:50.000 Yeah, I saw that clip.

02:01:51.000 Where he...

02:01:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:01:53.000 Yeah, where he talks about his body and...

02:01:55.000 His body and just...

02:01:56.000 Yeah.

02:01:57.000 That's...

02:01:57.000 Difficulties.

02:01:58.000 Difficulties.

02:01:59.000 That's like the...

02:02:00.000 Will's the best, man.

02:02:01.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:01.000 The footage Will Harris gets is fucking phenomenal.

02:02:04.000 He's the best documentary filmmaker in the sport, period.

02:02:08.000 Because he catches...

02:02:08.000 Hands down.

02:02:09.000 He captures the raw side of the athletics, of an athlete, right?

02:02:13.000 Also, he's such a good guy that everybody loves him.

02:02:16.000 Yep.

02:02:16.000 And so everybody opens up around him.

02:02:18.000 Yes.

02:02:18.000 And they relax around him.

02:02:20.000 It's funny because my wife, she goes, now she's like, I don't want cameras in this house anymore.

02:02:25.000 I'm done.

02:02:26.000 Like, I don't want it in the house because all the footage I've ever taken over the years of my mixed martial arts career, I own none of it.

02:02:34.000 None of it, right?

02:02:35.000 And so I was like, people got video of me being pregnant on their fucking hard drive somewhere.

02:02:42.000 So, no more, right?

02:02:44.000 But if Will want to come, Will come over anytime he want.

02:02:46.000 I love Will.

02:02:47.000 That's great.

02:02:48.000 So she's opened the door to Will because he's like, if you want any content you want, you can have it.

02:02:54.000 Like, I just want to capture your moment and tell your story.

02:02:58.000 And if I need, hey, Will, I need something.

02:03:00.000 Can you send me this?

02:03:02.000 Absolutely, DJ. No, no ifs, ands, and about.

02:03:05.000 No negotiating, no nothing.

02:03:06.000 Here you go, player.

02:03:06.000 Do your thing.

02:03:07.000 Yeah, no, he's the best.

02:03:09.000 Yeah.

02:03:09.000 He's such a good dude, too.

02:03:11.000 And, you know, I had him on recently, and, you know, we were talking about dating apps.

02:03:15.000 Oh, hey.

02:03:19.000 Will's addicted to those dating apps.

02:03:21.000 I know!

02:03:21.000 Because, first of all, he's a beautiful man.

02:03:24.000 He's gigantic.

02:03:25.000 Yeah.

02:03:25.000 And he gets bombed on.

02:03:26.000 He was talking to me about it.

02:03:27.000 He goes, I've been Austin for one day.

02:03:29.000 Look at all this shit.

02:03:30.000 They're just bombing on him.

02:03:32.000 Make your dick feel good.

02:03:33.000 I was like, oh my.

02:03:36.000 Bro, his fucking Tinder looks like an Iraqi landing strip.

02:03:39.000 Just boom, boom.

02:03:42.000 When he came to visit me, he goes, you know, I'm driving.

02:03:44.000 I'm like, what you looking at?

02:03:45.000 He goes, what you think about this girl?

02:03:48.000 He goes, what I need is a fucking tech woman.

02:03:51.000 Take care of me.

02:03:52.000 Shit, let me get Jeff Bezos' wife.

02:03:53.000 Shit, she'll never go.

02:03:55.000 I just laugh.

02:03:56.000 And then when Jeff Bezos' wife just announced she's getting divorced, I sent him a screenshot.

02:04:00.000 I'm like, this is your chance.

02:04:01.000 Better get over here quick.

02:04:03.000 Better give her some of that.

02:04:04.000 Well, yeah, I don't know if you want that.

02:04:07.000 I got a joke about that.

02:04:08.000 A bit about dating a woman who has that much money.

02:04:11.000 Uh-oh.

02:04:11.000 It's a real problem.

02:04:13.000 She's worth $38 billion.

02:04:15.000 Damn.

02:04:15.000 You can't say shit in that relationship.

02:04:17.000 You don't have nothing to say.

02:04:18.000 I think we'll be okay with that.

02:04:19.000 He's like, as long as she let me film and document and I give her that BBC, we good to go.

02:04:23.000 I ain't worried about nothing.

02:04:24.000 That'll be his fucking response.

02:04:26.000 He's done with the dating apps.

02:04:27.000 He sent me a video that he goes, no more apps.

02:04:29.000 And he's like, him dancing in a hotel room with these two girls.

02:04:33.000 No more apps.

02:04:35.000 Zero apps.

02:04:36.000 I think he's really done.

02:04:38.000 Hey, good for him.

02:04:38.000 Because if you want a real relationship, man, you can't have that many options.

02:04:41.000 Yeah.

02:04:42.000 Because you're not going to be concentrated on the person you're with.

02:04:44.000 Absolutely.

02:04:45.000 It's just too much.

02:04:46.000 Too much distraction.

02:04:47.000 Like he said, you're always chasing for that next thrill.

02:04:50.000 Right.

02:04:51.000 That's the thing is the thrill.

02:04:52.000 He's chasing that hunt.

02:04:53.000 And he wants a family.

02:04:54.000 Yeah.

02:04:54.000 Even though he's 40 years old, you've got to get off that horse at a certain point in time.

02:04:58.000 And you've got to find the right one.

02:05:00.000 Yeah.

02:05:00.000 The right one's got to be able to fill all those buckets, right?

02:05:03.000 Yes.

02:05:03.000 But I don't think you find the right one when you're still looking for other ones.

02:05:07.000 No, no, no, no.

02:05:07.000 I think there's a thing with people today that have access to these dating apps and also have access to social media and DMs.

02:05:16.000 I just think that you're overwhelmed by options.

02:05:18.000 Yeah.

02:05:19.000 You can't, like, you're drowning in it.

02:05:22.000 This is what I like.

02:05:24.000 Have you ever seen Bachelor in Paradise?

02:05:26.000 No.

02:05:26.000 Or do you know what The Bachelor and Bachelorette is?

02:05:28.000 Yeah, I know about the show, but I've never watched it.

02:05:31.000 Okay, so I watch it with my wife, right?

02:05:32.000 It's kind of our thing we do.

02:05:34.000 And I hate watching The Bachelor and Bachelorette.

02:05:36.000 The reason why is because you have one woman to 20 fucking dudes, right?

02:05:40.000 So all these guys are fighting for one chick in that row, right?

02:05:43.000 And the same thing with The Bachelorette.

02:05:44.000 You had all these hot chicks trying to battle for one dude.

02:05:47.000 But I'm like, you know, I guarantee if you throw another chick in there, I bet you things would be different.

02:05:52.000 Oh yeah!

02:05:53.000 So in Bachelor in Paradise, they throw like 20 hot chicks and 20 hot dudes on an island, and they all try to figure out their relationship.

02:05:59.000 And I'm like, yeah, when you have more fucking options, you're not going to be the hot commodity that everybody wants.

02:06:03.000 But once you throw another, you know, a thing in there, another distraction, it just, I like to see people navigate.

02:06:09.000 They compete.

02:06:11.000 And then, you know, and then there's like sexual competition.

02:06:13.000 This girl won't do anything, but that girl fucks everybody.

02:06:16.000 Exactly, right?

02:06:16.000 So I never get, there was a one season where the guy, he was like, you know, they had the fantasy suite, right?

02:06:23.000 I know it's kind of disturbing.

02:06:24.000 I know all about this shit, but it is what it is.

02:06:26.000 I don't know anything about it, so help me out.

02:06:27.000 Okay, so fantasy suite is like, I think it's like the maybe, it's the homestretch, right?

02:06:32.000 It's usually there are four people, four contestants.

02:06:34.000 Oh, you get them down?

02:06:35.000 So they eliminate people?

02:06:36.000 They eliminate people.

02:06:36.000 You get a rose, they go home, right?

02:06:38.000 You get a rose?

02:06:39.000 That's how they do it.

02:06:39.000 The dude gets a rose?

02:06:40.000 The dude and the chick gets a rose.

02:06:44.000 So then it goes to Fantasy Suites.

02:06:46.000 Fantasy Suites.

02:06:47.000 Here's a flower, kick rocks.

02:06:49.000 No, you get a flower, you get to stay.

02:06:50.000 Oh.

02:06:51.000 So how it goes, so if I was on The Bachelor, right, I show up to this big-ass mansion, girls come in cars, like, hi, my name is Elisa.

02:07:00.000 I'm so happy to meet you.

02:07:01.000 I'm like, oh, very nice to meet you.

02:07:02.000 Go in the house.

02:07:03.000 I'll be in there in a second.

02:07:04.000 20 come, then every week I have to send somebody home.

02:07:08.000 They don't get a rose, right?

02:07:09.000 So it gets down to the last four, right?

02:07:12.000 The last four, you have the opportunity to do fantasy suites, which means you get to stay tonight in a hotel together with no cameras, do whatever you want, right?

02:07:19.000 So typically, you know, the guys are, depending on how they are, they'll either, you know, do the nasty or they won't, right?

02:07:26.000 So this guy cracked me up.

02:07:30.000 So, he has four girls left.

02:07:33.000 No, three girls left.

02:07:34.000 I think it's four or three.

02:07:34.000 Whatever.

02:07:36.000 He brings one to the room, sleeps with her, right?

02:07:40.000 Brings another girl to the room, sleeps with her, right?

02:07:43.000 And then the one girl that they're going to go into fantasy, she goes, you know, I think if you've been intimate with any other girl...

02:07:49.000 I don't think I can go on with this relationship.

02:07:53.000 And he goes, well, I wish you would have told me that before because maybe I wouldn't have done it.

02:07:59.000 I thought you told me to explore all my options.

02:08:02.000 And I did.

02:08:03.000 And now you're nagging me for it.

02:08:05.000 And so she goes, I'm leaving.

02:08:08.000 I'm going home.

02:08:09.000 So she goes home.

02:08:11.000 Go see the final rose ceremony.

02:08:12.000 Who's gonna pick who his wife is or who's gonna propose to?

02:08:15.000 He goes...

02:08:17.000 You have to propose at the end of it?

02:08:18.000 An engagement.

02:08:19.000 There's usually an engagement.

02:08:21.000 Oh my god.

02:08:21.000 On a fucking television show?

02:08:23.000 Really?

02:08:24.000 I'm ignorant to this.

02:08:25.000 I didn't know how stupid it is.

02:08:27.000 I love to see the demeanor, but it gets better.

02:08:31.000 So I'm sitting here watching with my wife, and I'm like, he done banged both these chicks, and they don't even know it yet, right?

02:08:37.000 So he goes, I have to tell you both that I've been intimate with you and you.

02:08:42.000 They both start crying.

02:08:43.000 He goes, I didn't mean for this to happen.

02:08:45.000 I fell in love with both of you guys.

02:08:46.000 I'm sorry.

02:08:47.000 Right?

02:08:48.000 So, when it ends up happening, he doesn't get any other girls, but he slept with both of them, right?

02:08:52.000 Then, I told Dexter, I was like, I guarantee you, he gonna bang that third one.

02:08:57.000 I bet you, right?

02:08:58.000 The one that left?

02:08:59.000 The one that left, right?

02:09:00.000 Sure enough, the one that left came back crawling.

02:09:02.000 He gets with her.

02:09:04.000 You know, they do the nasty.

02:09:05.000 And then next thing you know, they break up like three months recently, like I think four months ago.

02:09:10.000 And I was like, babe, I told you, he banged all three of them.

02:09:13.000 He's a legend.

02:09:14.000 Nobody's ever done it before in Bachelor history.

02:09:16.000 She goes, you're such...

02:09:20.000 But there's so many options.

02:09:22.000 But there's no way, under that kind of scrutiny and all those people watching, well, no way, A, you're going to be yourself.

02:09:29.000 Yeah.

02:09:29.000 Right?

02:09:29.000 Because you know you're putting on a show.

02:09:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:09:31.000 And there's no way, B, it's going to last because there's this whole thrill of this thing that you've become addicted to.

02:09:36.000 Some have lasted.

02:09:37.000 Really?

02:09:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:09:38.000 I'm shocked, too.

02:09:39.000 Trust me.

02:09:39.000 Like I said, this is...

02:09:41.000 I'm shocked.

02:09:41.000 Some of last some have beautiful relationships, beautiful babies, married.

02:09:44.000 So it does work out in the end, but then every once in a while you have this man who's taking advantage of the system.

02:09:50.000 Is he just doing man things?

02:09:53.000 Normal man?

02:09:54.000 That's not taking advantage.

02:09:55.000 That's being a human.

02:09:57.000 But to me it's like celebrity rehab.

02:10:00.000 That's the worst way ever to get clean.

02:10:03.000 And bachelorette shows or bachelorette shows, that's the worst way ever to be in a relationship with someone.

02:10:08.000 Fucking cameras in your face.

02:10:10.000 Who the fuck are you?

02:10:11.000 You don't even know who you are.

02:10:13.000 You're putting on a show.

02:10:14.000 Yeah.

02:10:15.000 And you're trying to compete?

02:10:16.000 Yeah.

02:10:17.000 It's something interesting, like you said, when you have those distractions and those dating apps.

02:10:21.000 Yeah.

02:10:22.000 I mean, that's where, you know, it ran down that rabbit hole.

02:10:24.000 But for people like Will that are real busy, it's really hard to meet someone.

02:10:28.000 Yeah.

02:10:29.000 I was going to try to hook him up with one of the girls.

02:10:32.000 A family friend who's a real estate agent.

02:10:35.000 She's killing it.

02:10:36.000 And she's like, I don't need no man.

02:10:37.000 And I'm like, that's...

02:10:39.000 That's a perfect...

02:10:40.000 You meet somebody, you become friends.

02:10:43.000 Your best friend becomes your lover.

02:10:44.000 In my case, right?

02:10:45.000 So that's where I was like, I can...

02:10:47.000 I showed Will a picture.

02:10:48.000 Will is interested.

02:10:49.000 He goes, mm, look at her.

02:10:50.000 He goes, all right, when I come back up here to get some work done, we're going to have to do dinner.

02:10:54.000 And I was like, okay, I got you.

02:10:54.000 So, you know, I know he wants to move to Dubai or whatnot, but we'll see what happens.

02:10:58.000 Yeah, he loves Dubai.

02:10:59.000 He's like, there's no crime.

02:11:01.000 Everybody's cool.

02:11:01.000 Yeah, when he was talking about being African-American and worried about certain situations or another black man trying to get him, he was like, What the hell happened in this world?

02:11:13.000 I mean, I can understand that.

02:11:14.000 Like, not having that fear.

02:11:15.000 When you're over there, you don't have to worry about things like that.

02:11:17.000 Yeah.

02:11:18.000 Crime and violence.

02:11:19.000 He says it's so safe.

02:11:21.000 Yeah.

02:11:21.000 He said if someone drops a diamond, like, you could just, like, don't worry about it.

02:11:24.000 They'll turn it into the police.

02:11:25.000 That's great.

02:11:26.000 Yeah.

02:11:26.000 That's awesome to hear.

02:11:27.000 Yeah, but also, like, you know, they don't have any free speech.

02:11:31.000 Yeah.

02:11:32.000 You know, you have to be very careful with what you do and what you say.

02:11:35.000 Yep.

02:11:35.000 You know.

02:11:36.000 Yep.

02:11:36.000 You can't have both.

02:11:38.000 One's got to go.

02:11:38.000 One's got to go, right?

02:11:39.000 Oh, God.

02:11:41.000 What is it like in Washington now?

02:11:43.000 Because Seattle is kind of fucking chaos, right?

02:11:46.000 Man, once COVID-19 happened, my wife was like, I want to move.

02:11:53.000 I was like, okay.

02:11:56.000 Where'd she want to move to?

02:11:57.000 Arizona.

02:11:58.000 Really?

02:11:59.000 Yeah, because she has friends out there.

02:12:00.000 And she went out there during COVID-19.

02:12:02.000 And she was there, and she goes, everything's still open.

02:12:05.000 There's no mask.

02:12:07.000 The children aren't wearing masks.

02:12:08.000 And everybody's still in school.

02:12:10.000 So my wife was like, if we can have a house in Arizona, I would really, really love it.

02:12:14.000 So we got a house in Arizona.

02:12:16.000 And now, me being here in Austin...

02:12:21.000 Austin, Texas.

02:12:23.000 And feeling the vibe, the good weather, and the food, the people.

02:12:28.000 It's like, fuck, man.

02:12:30.000 It reminds me of Arizona.

02:12:31.000 I want to move to Arizona and be there full-time.

02:12:34.000 Just the atmosphere is different, and the weather is good.

02:12:37.000 In Washington, it's rainy.

02:12:39.000 It's cloudy.

02:12:40.000 It's not good for your mind.

02:12:41.000 That's what she said.

02:12:42.000 It's not?

02:12:43.000 Yeah.

02:12:43.000 That's seasonal depression shit?

02:12:45.000 That's real.

02:12:45.000 She hates it.

02:12:46.000 She's like, I hate it.

02:12:48.000 Get out while your kids are young.

02:12:50.000 Yeah, but, you know, it's just, I just can't yet.

02:12:54.000 I don't think I can.

02:12:55.000 I think- Because of training?

02:12:57.000 For training.

02:12:57.000 Yeah.

02:12:58.000 We'll keep that house.

02:12:59.000 Like, that house, I ain't never selling that house.

02:13:00.000 Why don't you go down there and train with Henry?

02:13:02.000 Shit, that's how it all started, baby.

02:13:03.000 Triple C. He's doing some amazing shit down there, man.

02:13:07.000 Dude, he is.

02:13:08.000 That fight ready, that's an amazing camp.

02:13:11.000 The scientific aspect of it.

02:13:13.000 Yeah.

02:13:14.000 I love Henry, okay?

02:13:15.000 Let me tell you a thing.

02:13:17.000 This is how...

02:13:18.000 I think we get along so well, right?

02:13:20.000 So I talked to him.

02:13:21.000 I called him.

02:13:21.000 I was like, hey Henry, I got a house out here.

02:13:23.000 Can I come train?

02:13:24.000 He goes, absolutely Demetrius.

02:13:26.000 He goes, I think we do great things, but before we train, I want to sit down and I want to show you something.

02:13:33.000 I was like, oh fuck Henry, please don't try to sell me on something.

02:13:36.000 Can we just vibe out together?

02:13:39.000 I go to his house and we're talking.

02:13:40.000 I met his wife and his beautiful baby, America.

02:13:43.000 And we're sitting there.

02:13:44.000 I see my fucking pillow on his couch and all those pillows and whatnot.

02:13:47.000 And he's showing me his book.

02:13:48.000 And he started breaking down his mindset and how he approaches his training and his fights.

02:13:54.000 And I was like...

02:13:55.000 Okay, alright.

02:13:57.000 Because I fought him twice, right?

02:13:59.000 And I already knew he was already good and brilliant, but when we get to actually sit down and vibe off each other, that's when I was like, okay, I'm gonna come back out here and I'm gonna train for 10 days.

02:14:10.000 What is his mindset?

02:14:11.000 Like, what is special about it?

02:14:14.000 You know, they're talking about him fighting Al Jermaine.

02:14:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:14:17.000 I think he'll be fighting against Al Jermaine.

02:14:18.000 I'm excited about that.

02:14:19.000 I think he beats Al Jermaine.

02:14:20.000 Do you really?

02:14:21.000 I do.

02:14:22.000 Al Jermaine's a bad motherfucker, dude.

02:14:24.000 He is.

02:14:25.000 And so, two things.

02:14:26.000 One, Al Jermaine's very bad.

02:14:28.000 He's starting to come into his own.

02:14:29.000 He's starting to embrace- Yes, right now, he's a champion.

02:14:31.000 He's a champion.

02:14:32.000 He's starting to embrace that backpack role.

02:14:34.000 Getting heavy on people.

02:14:36.000 Crossing distance, taking him down, getting on their back, locking up the body triangle.

02:14:39.000 He's very long, very big for the weight class, right?

02:14:41.000 He's perfect for the weight class.

02:14:43.000 He's perfect for the weight class, right?

02:14:44.000 Yeah.

02:14:44.000 So, where I think Henry's going to be able to excel, where other people have falter, right, is Henry is an amazing wrestler.

02:14:52.000 Yeah.

02:14:53.000 Right?

02:14:53.000 Olympic gold medalist.

02:14:54.000 Olympic gold medalist.

02:14:55.000 Two, Henry is probably the most disciplined person I've ever trained with.

02:15:01.000 What I mean by that is that...

02:15:04.000 Henry will look at somebody, but okay, where can I beat him at?

02:15:07.000 Okay, that's where I can beat him at?

02:15:09.000 We're not leaving there.

02:15:10.000 We're staying there.

02:15:11.000 Like when we're talking about the Domino Cruz fight, he was like, I'm gonna kick his fucking legs.

02:15:15.000 I'm not gonna stop.

02:15:16.000 I'm gonna kick his legs.

02:15:17.000 And we're watching, he's doing his thing, his dance, and his faint faint, low kick.

02:15:22.000 He's waiting, waiting.

02:15:24.000 Sometimes he will get off track, but he'll reel himself back in, back into fighting.

02:15:29.000 When me and him train, It was good because he was like, you're a killer.

02:15:34.000 I was like, what do you mean?

02:15:35.000 He goes, you don't do anything we talked about.

02:15:38.000 You just want to push, push, push, push.

02:15:40.000 I was like, yes, because he needs to be finished.

02:15:42.000 He needs to not die, but I wanted to pose my will on him.

02:15:45.000 When I was getting ready to fight Adriano, he goes, no body kicks.

02:15:50.000 Do not throw any body kicks.

02:15:52.000 Kick his legs, then the hands will come.

02:15:55.000 I guarantee you.

02:15:56.000 I guarantee you, right?

02:15:57.000 What's the first fucking thing I do when I fight Adriano?

02:16:00.000 Body kick!

02:16:01.000 Body kick!

02:16:02.000 And Henry says, if you throw a body kick, he's going to catch it and take you down.

02:16:06.000 And sure enough, he did that.

02:16:08.000 But that's where me and him thrive because we question each other's skill set.

02:16:14.000 On a humble way, if that makes sense.

02:16:16.000 Right.

02:16:16.000 Testing it.

02:16:17.000 Testing it, right?

02:16:18.000 And so I think when he decides to come back, he'll be fine against Aljo because he's just fucking smart.

02:16:26.000 Well, he's a wizard.

02:16:27.000 You know, when he fought Wilson Hayes, I was like, look at this motherfucker.

02:16:30.000 He looks like a karate champion.

02:16:32.000 Yep, yep.

02:16:32.000 Remember?

02:16:32.000 He's standing sideways like Wonderboy.

02:16:34.000 Yep.

02:16:35.000 And now he's trying to transition.

02:16:36.000 He's changing it, right?

02:16:37.000 He's always changing it.

02:16:39.000 Yes.

02:16:39.000 And when I went out there training with him, I was like, dude, I was like, I can make your clinch game fucking nasty.

02:16:44.000 Like, with your wrestling pedigree.

02:16:46.000 Arizona.

02:16:47.000 Oh yeah, I know.

02:16:48.000 You need to move.

02:16:49.000 Get to that sunlight.

02:16:51.000 Get to that sunlight.

02:16:52.000 It might make you better.

02:16:53.000 Vitamin D. Always good for the brain.

02:16:55.000 I mean, you do speak a lot of truth there, Joe.

02:16:58.000 Fuck rain, bro.

02:16:59.000 Rain's good.

02:17:00.000 Like here, what I love about Austin, it rains occasionally.

02:17:02.000 Yeah.

02:17:03.000 So you appreciate the sun.

02:17:04.000 Yeah.

02:17:05.000 But I can't fuck with a place that rains all the time.

02:17:07.000 I think if I didn't have my friends and family in Washington, I don't want to say it's a problem.

02:17:13.000 That's what's keeping me attached.

02:17:15.000 Yeah, but you're a fun guy.

02:17:16.000 You'll make new friends.

02:17:17.000 No.

02:17:18.000 I have a very small circle, and I don't like to open up.

02:17:24.000 Maybe take Matt Hume to Arizona and say, hey, Matt.

02:17:27.000 Yeah, right?

02:17:28.000 Matt's got his kids, his life out there too.

02:17:31.000 I get it.

02:17:31.000 Look, I had my life in California.

02:17:33.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:17:34.000 My wife, Destiny, she's like, I'm ready to move right now.

02:17:37.000 You say the word, baby.

02:17:38.000 We gone.

02:17:39.000 I think it'd be very interesting to see you full-time with Henry.

02:17:42.000 Oh, fuck.

02:17:43.000 Very interesting.

02:17:44.000 We would probably...

02:17:45.000 It's funny.

02:17:45.000 We're training and then I did something.

02:17:47.000 I did like...

02:17:48.000 I was fully mounted and I... Instead of staying in a mountain and pounding a guy out, I went to triangle.

02:17:55.000 Like I stepped over and triangled him and went to my back and finished the triangle.

02:17:57.000 He goes, why did you do that?

02:17:59.000 I'm like, why the fuck not?

02:18:00.000 He goes, I would have stayed up top and pounded him.

02:18:02.000 I was like, yeah, but I just ended the fight.

02:18:03.000 Who knows?

02:18:04.000 He could have turtled.

02:18:04.000 He could have did this.

02:18:05.000 So we bounce off each other.

02:18:07.000 And I'm like, dude, like...

02:18:08.000 Your grappling is so good that you need to start finishing people with your submissions.

02:18:14.000 And he goes, yeah, but...

02:18:15.000 So we vibe off each other.

02:18:17.000 So I'm going to go out there and train.

02:18:19.000 There's no one right way.

02:18:21.000 Exactly.

02:18:21.000 And that was the biggest eye-opener I had when I trained with him.

02:18:25.000 And for him to say, he's like, D, he calls me Demetrius.

02:18:30.000 He goes, Demetrius, you're a high-volume athlete.

02:18:32.000 Your conditioning is off the charts.

02:18:35.000 You're nine weeks out from your fight and you're already in shape.

02:18:38.000 He goes, I'm worried about you.

02:18:39.000 I'm like, I'm fine.

02:18:40.000 I'll take time off.

02:18:42.000 He's worried about you peaking too early?

02:18:45.000 Peaking too early.

02:18:45.000 But he is precise.

02:18:48.000 He is...

02:18:50.000 Move, very little.

02:18:51.000 Move, move, move.

02:18:52.000 Right hand.

02:18:53.000 Left kick.

02:18:54.000 Right hand, left hand.

02:18:56.000 Smoke, smoke, right hand.

02:18:57.000 He's very precise with what he does.

02:18:58.000 Where me, I'm just like...

02:19:00.000 Flowing.

02:19:00.000 I'm flowing.

02:19:01.000 I'm like, one, one, two, up, six, three, two, nine, nine, knee, double leg takedown, pass.

02:19:05.000 And he goes, you can do that because you have the energy for it.

02:19:08.000 And I was like, exactly.

02:19:09.000 So when he told me that, it almost came for me to come on my own as an athlete.

02:19:14.000 But he's a different frame than you.

02:19:16.000 Exactly.

02:19:17.000 He's cutting a lot of weight.

02:19:18.000 Yeah.

02:19:19.000 He cut a lot of weight to make 25 and missed it a few times.

02:19:22.000 Yes, yes.

02:19:23.000 But at 35, he's a fucking beast.

02:19:25.000 Yeah.

02:19:26.000 Now I think he's walking...

02:19:27.000 When I was there, he's probably at 165 now.

02:19:29.000 So he's always been...

02:19:30.000 He's got a little tortillas.

02:19:32.000 He's got tortillas.

02:19:33.000 He's got that...

02:19:33.000 He's got a little enchiladas.

02:19:34.000 He's got that retirement body.

02:19:36.000 That's what that is.

02:19:36.000 But not quite.

02:19:38.000 He's losing weight.

02:19:39.000 He's losing weight.

02:19:39.000 Yeah.

02:19:39.000 He's in the USADA pool, I believe, as well.

02:19:42.000 So I'm super excited for him to come back, if he does come back.

02:19:45.000 I'm very interested in that fight with him and Al Jermaine.

02:19:47.000 That's a very interesting fight to me.

02:19:49.000 What he needs to do is just go out there, control distance, throw body kicks.

02:19:54.000 Well, he probably fucking won't because, I mean, you know, he doesn't like to get taken down.

02:19:58.000 Throw body kicks, but throw things up the middle because Aljo, the thing, backpack, big, he's coming to his own, but his stand-up is not rhythm.

02:20:06.000 He has no rhythm on his feet.

02:20:08.000 What do you mean?

02:20:08.000 So, rhythm is like, you know, when I'm here, Aljo's not like this.

02:20:13.000 He's not, like, he's not a rhythm.

02:20:16.000 It's like, Right.

02:20:19.000 It's not flowy.

02:20:20.000 It's not like smooth like a kickboxer.

02:20:22.000 You know what I mean?

02:20:23.000 So it's kind of unorthodox, right?

02:20:26.000 You watch Henry.

02:20:27.000 Henry's here.

02:20:28.000 He's moving.

02:20:29.000 It's very like he's dancing a little bit.

02:20:32.000 That makes sense.

02:20:32.000 So I'm not saying Aljo doesn't have rhythm.

02:20:35.000 I'm saying that his stand-up is a little more unorthodox, which that's going to give Henry problems when they fight.

02:20:42.000 He likes a lot of front kicks up the middle, too.

02:20:44.000 A lot of front kicks up the middle, too.

02:20:45.000 Which Henry will catch that, and it can wrestle, and we'll see who's a better wrestler.

02:20:49.000 But that's what I see when I break down that fight.

02:20:53.000 I'm like, okay, well, I don't...

02:20:55.000 Ajo's stand-up is kind of like...

02:20:57.000 The last fight was very unfortunate that TJ's shoulder was that fucked up going into the fight, but I had heard that.

02:21:03.000 I had heard his shoulders were fucked.

02:21:05.000 That shit has not changed since WC days.

02:21:07.000 You know how many times I've been in, like, line...

02:21:09.000 Because every single time you fight...

02:21:11.000 The doctor checks you, like, raise your hands, squeeze, up, down, left, right, check your shoulders, your knees.

02:21:17.000 I remember I was getting ready to fight in WEC. Antonio Bumuel has fought with a broken hand.

02:21:22.000 He was like, yeah, I broke my fucking hand.

02:21:24.000 I got to fight.

02:21:24.000 Because when you fight, you get that insurance.

02:21:27.000 Any damages you cure on fight night, they cover it 100% with insurance.

02:21:34.000 So, you know, look at it as an athlete standpoint.

02:21:36.000 Here's TJ. He's 36. He's 36 years old.

02:21:40.000 He's healthy.

02:21:41.000 He's like, I don't know if I'm going to get another shot.

02:21:43.000 You know?

02:21:43.000 But his shoulders were fucked a long time ago.

02:21:46.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:46.000 I know that.

02:21:47.000 He had massive tears in his supraspinatus.

02:21:50.000 Well, he said it came out of his socket, what, 20 times?

02:21:54.000 20 times in training camp?

02:21:55.000 Yeah.

02:21:56.000 But this is how we make our money.

02:21:58.000 I get it.

02:21:59.000 Aaron Pico, when he was fighting, he was like, don't stop this fight.

02:22:01.000 This is how I make my fucking money.

02:22:03.000 Well, he's trying to put it back in.

02:22:04.000 Well, exactly.

02:22:05.000 But think about that mindset.

02:22:07.000 This is how I make my money.

02:22:09.000 I need to do whatever I can to make that money.

02:22:11.000 Also, he's just trying to win.

02:22:12.000 Aaron was still trying to win.

02:22:14.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:22:14.000 He missed with a left hook, right?

02:22:16.000 And it just popped out?

02:22:17.000 Who, Aaron?

02:22:18.000 I didn't see what happened that led to him, the shorter pop out.

02:22:23.000 I just saw the highlight of him like...

02:22:25.000 Like, trying to get back in.

02:22:26.000 He was like, don't stop the fight.

02:22:27.000 This is how I make my money.

02:22:28.000 You know?

02:22:29.000 Which is the truth.

02:22:30.000 So I think for TJ, he was like, this is how I make my money.

02:22:33.000 I got one opportunity.

02:22:34.000 I'm going to put it back in and fight.

02:22:37.000 Yeah, I just think TJ's shoulders were already fucked up before the retirement.

02:22:42.000 Well, before the time off from popping hot.

02:22:44.000 Oh, really?

02:22:45.000 Yeah.

02:22:46.000 No, his shoulders have been fucked forever.

02:22:47.000 See?

02:22:48.000 And once again, you only could do this for so long.

02:22:50.000 That's why I tell myself, you have to stop.

02:22:55.000 At some point in time.

02:22:56.000 You have to stop.

02:22:57.000 What is the biggest injury that you've ever had?

02:22:59.000 Oh, God.

02:23:01.000 I'll say shoulders.

02:23:02.000 I still have problems with my shoulders.

02:23:04.000 Just from years of wrestling, shooting, and feeling all the weight.

02:23:08.000 Going with bigger guys, because I'm the smallest guy in the gym.

02:23:12.000 I'll say my shoulders.

02:23:14.000 Shoulders are always fucked for wrestlers.

02:23:16.000 Yeah.

02:23:17.000 Because you're carrying all that weight, right?

02:23:19.000 And then, you know, my main sparring partner is Matt, you know?

02:23:22.000 So he's like 170, 175. Then next down on the list is James.

02:23:27.000 He's like 165. And then Tony, he's about 190. And then at my jiu-jitsu place, the closest person to my size is the women.

02:23:37.000 But I grapple with the women sometimes, but then I'm grappling with the bigger guys.

02:23:40.000 So I'm always carrying a lot of that weight.

02:23:42.000 Another reason for you to go down to Arizona.

02:23:44.000 Yeah.

02:23:45.000 That's one thing that's nice.

02:23:46.000 They have bodies on bodies.

02:23:47.000 But now we have, since we combined with Charlie's gym, now we have Bilal, amazing 125-er.

02:23:54.000 We have Javi.

02:23:56.000 We have some smaller guys.

02:23:57.000 But when I went to Arizona, holy fuck, man.

02:24:01.000 There was a two-time national champion, AJ Reese.

02:24:05.000 Gaston Browns are with him.

02:24:06.000 You had Jose.

02:24:08.000 There's probably like...

02:24:10.000 From 125 to 155, there was probably, like, maybe 30 guys.

02:24:15.000 Don't you think that's better for your career?

02:24:17.000 Yeah, but it could also be horrible for my career because you didn't get an injury.

02:24:20.000 Why would you get injury prone if you're training with guys your size versus training with bigger guys?

02:24:24.000 Because you're competing with those guys every single time.

02:24:28.000 I know what you're getting at, like, if I'm competing with smaller guys, I wouldn't have to carry their weight, but you're also in a room full of fucking killers that are trying to make it to the next level, so they're always testing themselves.

02:24:36.000 So you know how they say iron sharpens iron, but also iron breaks iron, right?

02:24:40.000 How hard are they training down there?

02:24:41.000 Oh, they go hard?

02:24:43.000 Henry does his own thing.

02:24:44.000 In what way?

02:24:45.000 In what way where Henry's like, he doesn't train.

02:24:49.000 When we were down there, I was like, are we going to spar, Henry?

02:24:51.000 He goes, no, I don't need to spar.

02:24:54.000 I know what hell feels like.

02:24:56.000 I don't need to experience that.

02:24:58.000 So when Henry's not in training camp, he's not training.

02:25:01.000 Like if I was like, hey, Henry, let's do five rounds.

02:25:03.000 He'll get through it because he's mentally tough and he's a competitor.

02:25:07.000 But my condition would be way higher.

02:25:10.000 Beyond his, just because I'm like, I did- You're always in shape.

02:25:13.000 I'm always in shape.

02:25:14.000 I did, you know, when I did New Wave, me and Gary grappled for 20 minutes straight, like nonstop, just going back and forth, back and forth.

02:25:22.000 And I was like, we can do another 20 if we want to, right?

02:25:25.000 So Henry does his own thing to where the team does their own thing.

02:25:29.000 And I think the team, they spar three days a week there.

02:25:32.000 And so I think if I trained with a whole bunch of killers like that, I think I'll be injury prone.

02:25:37.000 I think I'll sustain more injuries in my career.

02:25:42.000 Or it could be wrong, Joe.

02:25:43.000 Maybe you're right.

02:25:44.000 Yeah, I don't know if you would be.

02:25:46.000 I mean, I think if you're training with Henry, he'd probably be very smart in how he approaches your...

02:25:50.000 Because he would probably want to try to make you the best that he can make you.

02:25:53.000 Yeah, but I don't...

02:25:54.000 I like to train...

02:25:56.000 I like to push out of camp, right?

02:25:58.000 Where I don't know if he does.

02:26:01.000 So that's what the difference I think would come down to.

02:26:04.000 When you were talking about his mindset, we got to derail a little bit there.

02:26:07.000 So his mindset, he's like this.

02:26:09.000 He was like, we sat down.

02:26:10.000 He goes, if you were to fight Jon Jones, what would you do?

02:26:12.000 I was like, I'll get all over Jon Jones.

02:26:14.000 He goes, you get all over Jon Jones?

02:26:16.000 I was like, yeah, I'll put the pressure on him.

02:26:17.000 I'll beat him up in the clinch.

02:26:18.000 I would take him down, pass his guard, and submit him.

02:26:20.000 That's what I would do.

02:26:21.000 And he goes, see, I would do...

02:26:24.000 You know, he has six different areas where he's like, okay, there's...

02:26:29.000 Balance.

02:26:30.000 You're sitting there.

02:26:30.000 You're not over committing or you're just chilling.

02:26:33.000 You're reacting.

02:26:34.000 Then he has one that says commit.

02:26:37.000 You have to take risk, right?

02:26:39.000 The risk management.

02:26:40.000 Then there's another category where it's like counter.

02:26:44.000 So he has these six categories that he lives in.

02:26:46.000 And when he's looking at the person he's going to fight, he'll sit there and look at his categories and be like, okay, do we take risk with this guy?

02:26:54.000 Okay, if we take risk with this guy, here's the pros, here's the cons.

02:26:58.000 If we stay balanced, where we're neutral, right?

02:27:02.000 Here's the pros, here's the cons.

02:27:04.000 And he sticks by that.

02:27:06.000 So, in his whole training camp, eight weeks, it's by that book.

02:27:11.000 He does not deviate from that.

02:27:13.000 And this is something he's developed on his own.

02:27:15.000 I believe he's developed on his own.

02:27:17.000 Like, when he showed me that, that's where we're two different animals, right?

02:27:20.000 Where it's like...

02:27:23.000 Yes, you...

02:27:23.000 He's like...

02:27:24.000 And then he'll switch up.

02:27:25.000 He goes, sometimes you have to take that risk in order to get that, you know, to get that reward.

02:27:30.000 But how much of that risk do you want to take?

02:27:32.000 How much do you put your eggs in that basket?

02:27:34.000 Where for me, I'm like, nope, I'm going out there and I'm getting...

02:27:37.000 I'm putting the pressure.

02:27:38.000 I want to overwhelm you, like, with my skill set and my conditioning.

02:27:42.000 And once you...

02:27:44.000 Can't take the overwhelming, then that's when you succumb to whatever it is you decide to...

02:27:49.000 You pick your poison and now make sure you die that way.

02:27:53.000 So that's where we're different.

02:27:54.000 Like...

02:27:55.000 When we sit there, I have the same mindset, but I deviate off that path.

02:28:00.000 I'm just like, nope, I'm gone.

02:28:01.000 I'm gone.

02:28:02.000 Let me do my thing.

02:28:03.000 When I'm sparring, Matt will be like, hey, I want you to try to get this out.

02:28:08.000 I'm like, okay, I'll try.

02:28:10.000 Then once shit starts going, I'm just doing my own thing.

02:28:13.000 And he was like, that's not what I wanted you to do.

02:28:15.000 And I'm like, yeah, I know that, but hey, we got the job done though, right?

02:28:19.000 Right.

02:28:19.000 So that's...

02:28:20.000 Where Henry, he will stay to it.

02:28:22.000 He'll spend the whole round kicking legs, kicking legs, kicking legs.

02:28:25.000 I'm like, I'm bored, dude.

02:28:27.000 I'm not going to spend five minutes kicking those legs.

02:28:29.000 I need to show kick, fly knee.

02:28:32.000 When we're play sparring, I do a fly knee and shoot for a takedown.

02:28:35.000 He goes, you're just all over the place.

02:28:37.000 I'm like, yeah, it's kind of fun.

02:28:38.000 I like it that way.

02:28:40.000 Obviously, it's worked out for you, though.

02:28:42.000 Yeah, I would say so.

02:28:42.000 How could you argue that your approach is bad?

02:28:45.000 And that's a beautiful thing.

02:28:47.000 He doesn't say my approach is bad.

02:28:48.000 He says the approach is different for everybody.

02:28:51.000 It seems like I'm convincing you to go to Arizona.

02:28:54.000 No, you're not.

02:28:54.000 I feel like I should be.

02:28:57.000 I'll tell Matt, hey Matt, we had a good ride, baby.

02:28:59.000 I'm done.

02:28:59.000 Here I come!

02:29:00.000 No.

02:29:00.000 I listen to Matt can fly in every now and then.

02:29:02.000 Yeah, he could.

02:29:03.000 But I like the responsibility as a father to get my kids to school.

02:29:10.000 Like, when I'm in training camp, I don't stop.

02:29:13.000 Like, when I'm in training camp, I'm working on the bars.

02:29:16.000 I'm working on, you know, portable consultants.

02:29:18.000 I'm working on my businesses while taking care of my children while training for my fights.

02:29:22.000 Like, I like to have my plate full because it keeps my brain stimulated.

02:29:25.000 It doesn't let me...

02:29:26.000 It just keeps me going.

02:29:28.000 And you don't think you could do that and have a life similar to that in Arizona?

02:29:32.000 I don't think so because...

02:29:35.000 I just...

02:29:35.000 I have to start over from scratch.

02:29:38.000 Like, I just have to...

02:29:39.000 Don't you think that would help your mind, too?

02:29:41.000 The beginner's mindset, starting over from scratch?

02:29:44.000 Maybe, but I'll miss my friends and my routine.

02:29:47.000 And, like, I would move to Arizona.

02:29:49.000 I got four more fights left.

02:29:51.000 That's two years.

02:29:52.000 Right.

02:29:52.000 Right?

02:29:53.000 So, I'm 38, 39 years old.

02:29:56.000 Then, it's going to come down to, do I leave my father-in-law?

02:30:00.000 Do I leave my mother-in-law?

02:30:01.000 Do I leave...

02:30:02.000 My mom, do I leave my best friend, my children's best friends?

02:30:08.000 That's the thing that's going to come over that I'm going to have to battle with.

02:30:12.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:12.000 So two years is nothing.

02:30:14.000 I'll fight twice next year, then I'll decide, do I want to continue to fight or not?

02:30:19.000 Do one of my businesses become a unicorn and take off?

02:30:21.000 I'm like, I don't need to fight anymore.

02:30:22.000 I got enough money.

02:30:23.000 I got enough money.

02:30:25.000 I don't need to fight.

02:30:25.000 Right.

02:30:26.000 So then I'm like, okay, then we revisit.

02:30:28.000 Do we move to Arizona, get some more sunshine and weather and pull the kids out?

02:30:32.000 Or do we just go back and forth?

02:30:33.000 It's like, hey, my wife was just in Arizona for five days and she came back home and she goes, it's fucking weather.

02:30:39.000 Can't believe you.

02:30:41.000 She woke up one day.

02:30:42.000 I was like, we're in bed.

02:30:43.000 She wakes up.

02:30:44.000 She goes, What are we fucking doing?

02:30:47.000 I was like, what's wrong, baby?

02:30:48.000 She goes, you see this?

02:30:50.000 You see them fucking clouds?

02:30:52.000 She goes, so nice in Arizona.

02:30:54.000 It's just so hard to be here when I know what's out there with the beautiful weather.

02:30:58.000 And I was like, I know, babe.

02:30:58.000 That's the thing is once you go to a place where it's sunny all the time and you realize how much better it is for your brain.

02:31:06.000 I see those eyes, Joe.

02:31:07.000 I see those eyes.

02:31:09.000 I would live in Arizona in a heartbeat.

02:31:11.000 I love it down there.

02:31:12.000 Yeah, it's beautiful.

02:31:14.000 I mean, just the people, the food, the food choices.

02:31:16.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that.

02:31:17.000 A lot of that.

02:31:18.000 And it's a great community.

02:31:19.000 One of my best friends just moved down there.

02:31:21.000 He moved to Tucson.

02:31:24.000 And he's like, I don't want to move to Tucson.

02:31:26.000 I wanted to move closer in the middle because he used to live in...

02:31:31.000 That's right next to the border of Mexico.

02:31:32.000 Is that Tijuana?

02:31:34.000 He's like, I used to live in Tijuana.

02:31:36.000 Nothing goes on good in Tucson.

02:31:38.000 And so I always tell him, we have this joke where I say, pussy run that house, not dick.

02:31:42.000 And he'll call me and he'll be like, hey man, you want to play video games today?

02:31:46.000 I'm like, nah, nah, I can't.

02:31:47.000 I got to do some laundry and I got to watch this.

02:31:49.000 He goes, yeah, I knew.

02:31:50.000 I knew you were soft.

02:31:51.000 I know.

02:31:53.000 He goes, put you in the house.

02:31:55.000 And I'm like, fuck!

02:31:56.000 Then I tried to get him back again.

02:31:58.000 I would sit there and wait.

02:31:59.000 And the other day, I was like, hey, man, I'm playing Cycle.

02:32:02.000 You want to jump on?

02:32:03.000 He goes, I got to cook dinner.

02:32:05.000 And I was like, mm-hmm.

02:32:06.000 How do you have time to play video games?

02:32:08.000 Because that is the great time suck.

02:32:10.000 Video games will absorb your life.

02:32:13.000 I don't look at it as a time suck.

02:32:15.000 I look at it as a coping skill for me.

02:32:20.000 Where I find the time is great balance, great support from the wife, and at the beginning of our marriage and our relationship, she never understood it.

02:32:31.000 Shit, hell, I'm still finding out new things why I enjoy playing video games.

02:32:34.000 It's very stimulating.

02:32:36.000 It's very stimulating, but for me, growing up, it was me, my brother, and my sister, and my mom, and we come from a very poor background.

02:32:47.000 So the one thing we did together that bonded us was playing video games, right?

02:32:53.000 And so now being an adult, it's the only thing I have close to my childhood that brings me back to those times, if that makes sense, right?

02:33:00.000 So when I'm playing video games with my friends, we're laughing, we're having a good time, we can all share the same passion playing video games, where my buddy Chris, he's not an athlete, he's not going to fight, right?

02:33:13.000 So we can't vibe on that level.

02:33:17.000 And it's just something I truly love to do.

02:33:23.000 Yeah, let that shit come up.

02:33:25.000 Do you ever feel like it takes up too much time?

02:33:29.000 It can when I don't prioritize, right?

02:33:34.000 Because don't get me wrong, it is a big time scene.

02:33:36.000 That's a lot, man.

02:33:37.000 When I was playing World of Warcraft, right?

02:33:39.000 That's a crazy one.

02:33:40.000 Yeah, here's a funny story.

02:33:41.000 So me and my wife, we didn't have any kids.

02:33:44.000 My wife, it was my father-in-law's birthday.

02:33:47.000 And we have a family recipe that he loves, apple pie, that's been passed down from the great-great-grandma to grandma, now to Destiny.

02:33:54.000 And so it takes about three hours to make from scratch.

02:33:56.000 She peels some apples and makes the crust herself, all from scratch.

02:34:01.000 So my wife's like, hey, what are you doing?

02:34:04.000 I was like, hey, do you mind if I play World Warcraft?

02:34:05.000 I'm going to play, we're about to raid Karazhan, which is one of the raids in the Burning Crusade.

02:34:10.000 And she goes, how long is it going to take?

02:34:12.000 Usually it takes three hours to clear, right?

02:34:15.000 And you don't want to leave because if I leave, then who's going to replace me as a DPS? Damage per second, right?

02:34:20.000 So, we're going.

02:34:22.000 We're going to Nightbane, right?

02:34:24.000 We're going up.

02:34:25.000 And we start fighting him.

02:34:27.000 And we're fucking getting killed every single time.

02:34:30.000 My wife comes in there.

02:34:31.000 Destiny, she comes in and she goes, Hey babe, how much longer?

02:34:33.000 I was like, oh...

02:34:34.000 By another hour, which I knew that wasn't true.

02:34:36.000 I knew we still had two and a half hours left, right?

02:34:39.000 The three-hour mark comes up.

02:34:41.000 She goes, hey, are you done?

02:34:42.000 I was like, yeah, I'm not.

02:34:45.000 And three hours later, I'm still playing the same fucking game.

02:34:48.000 Three hours later.

02:34:49.000 Still playing the same game, same spot, right?

02:34:52.000 We would die, respond, die, respond, die, respond.

02:34:56.000 I was like, alright guys, I gotta call it.

02:34:58.000 Like, I'm six hours past time where I'm supposed to be off here.

02:35:01.000 Then I go out the living room, and she's sitting there.

02:35:04.000 She goes, okay, you gotta make a choice.

02:35:07.000 It's either me, or World Warcraft.

02:35:09.000 I was like, bye wow, I'm out, deuces.

02:35:12.000 From that point, I took a huge step away from gaming.

02:35:17.000 Like, I was like, I have to put away, because I could not prioritize gaming.

02:35:21.000 What was more important, right?

02:35:23.000 They're obsessive.

02:35:23.000 They're very obsessive.

02:35:25.000 But then now, with streaming, Twitch, I've been able to monetize it and meet amazing people that I would have never met through gaming.

02:35:35.000 Are you making money off of Twitch?

02:35:36.000 I just recently switched to YouTube because of all the Twitch bullshit.

02:35:40.000 What's the Twitch bullshit?

02:35:41.000 Well, just, you know, me and Jamie were talking about it.

02:35:47.000 So, I don't want to say Twitch bullshit.

02:35:49.000 Can I be more positive?

02:35:50.000 Yes.

02:35:51.000 So with Twitch, I find it hard and I struggle with that.

02:35:55.000 I've been streaming on the platform for nine years and I haven't seen any growth.

02:35:58.000 And that could be from my part too of not, you know, grinding is hard.

02:36:03.000 But at the point in time when I was grinding, I was making probably about like $2,500 a month just playing video games, right?

02:36:09.000 I was able to cover mortgage.

02:36:10.000 But my life was, I would wake up, train after my first training session, go next door, stream for two hours, go next door, Back to AMC, train for another two hours, drive home, shower, kiss my wife, eat dinner, go back downstairs and stream.

02:36:25.000 I had no life.

02:36:26.000 That's all I did was stream.

02:36:28.000 Stream, stream, stream, stream.

02:36:29.000 And I was able to monetize and make good money.

02:36:32.000 And then I sat down and I was like, I'm not having fun anymore.

02:36:35.000 This is not...

02:36:36.000 It's a job.

02:36:37.000 It's a job.

02:36:38.000 Like, I don't want that, right?

02:36:40.000 And so then you start seeing girls utilize the platform in a different way.

02:36:45.000 But the hot tub streams...

02:36:46.000 I ain't hating on them.

02:36:47.000 I'm happy they were able to capitalize.

02:36:49.000 Hot tub streams?

02:36:50.000 Okay, let me give you...

02:36:52.000 You don't spend much time on internet, so let me go ahead and...

02:36:55.000 Well, you do watch people get murdered, but let me take you...

02:36:58.000 Yeah, but that's not much time.

02:36:59.000 I know!

02:37:00.000 It's like 30 seconds.

02:37:01.000 Oh, he got his fucking head chopped off.

02:37:02.000 I've cut my time down substantially.

02:37:04.000 Yeah.

02:37:05.000 So pretty much people would do...

02:37:07.000 You hear all this...

02:37:09.000 There it is.

02:37:10.000 Hot tub streams?

02:37:11.000 Oh, no.

02:37:12.000 Pools, hot tubs, and beaches.

02:37:13.000 So that...

02:37:14.000 What is that?

02:37:14.000 A whole channel?

02:37:16.000 That's a whole channel.

02:37:17.000 That girl's doing yoga in her underwear.

02:37:20.000 Hilarious.

02:37:20.000 What do you think they're doing?

02:37:21.000 What do you think they're trying to sell right there?

02:37:22.000 Pussy.

02:37:23.000 Okay.

02:37:24.000 Boy, I didn't know that that existed.

02:37:26.000 It does exist.

02:37:27.000 How many girls?

02:37:28.000 That girl's only got 44 viewers?

02:37:30.000 Oh, that might not even be her stream.

02:37:32.000 She's a popular porn star?

02:37:34.000 Very popular.

02:37:35.000 She's working her way up.

02:37:36.000 She streams in a bikini?

02:37:38.000 Are you allowed to be naked?

02:37:40.000 No, you cannot.

02:37:41.000 That qualifies.

02:37:42.000 You break the conduct code.

02:37:44.000 Click on this.

02:37:46.000 This is the top female streamer.

02:37:47.000 Yeah, she fucking kills it.

02:37:50.000 Kills it.

02:37:51.000 A couple million dollars a month?

02:37:52.000 Yeah.

02:37:53.000 Wow!

02:37:53.000 But see, boom, right here.

02:37:55.000 This is an ad that popped up.

02:37:56.000 This is an ad that pops up.

02:37:57.000 But she doesn't dictate what this ad is.

02:37:59.000 She has no say so what this ad is, right?

02:38:00.000 Yeah, but for a couple million dollars a month, I bet she doesn't give a fuck.

02:38:03.000 So this was a new thing in the platform that came to you, right?

02:38:08.000 Streaming in your underwear.

02:38:10.000 Yeah.

02:38:10.000 So for me, after nine years on Twitch, I was like, okay, I want to try something new.

02:38:14.000 So you're streaming your underwear now?

02:38:16.000 No, I'm streaming on YouTube.

02:38:18.000 You know, there are a couple people who told me to do hot tub streams.

02:38:20.000 Like, dude, can you stream in the hot tub?

02:38:21.000 I was like, you want to see my half-naked body?

02:38:23.000 Don't you see it enough when I'm fighting?

02:38:24.000 He goes, I think it'd be great to see you in the hot tub, man.

02:38:27.000 I'm like, ban and get him out of here now.

02:38:31.000 Put your pants on, sir.

02:38:32.000 Exactly.

02:38:33.000 So I switched over to YouTube.

02:38:35.000 That's been fun.

02:38:36.000 Been able to make content on there.

02:38:37.000 It's been great.

02:38:38.000 So this is a girl.

02:38:39.000 I like how the reverse angle.

02:38:42.000 The mirror?

02:38:43.000 Yeah.

02:38:43.000 So it's like...

02:38:45.000 Everyone has that.

02:38:46.000 They have a mirror?

02:38:47.000 Yeah.

02:38:47.000 Doesn't everyone?

02:38:48.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:38:49.000 I get the attraction.

02:38:52.000 So that's the thing.

02:38:53.000 Now they have poker.

02:38:56.000 Everybody was complaining about poker because people would gamble on Twitch.

02:39:01.000 And people were like, give me your money and I'll gamble it.

02:39:04.000 And some people were like, oh, that shouldn't be allowed.

02:39:07.000 There's some people that say it should be allowed.

02:39:09.000 So all that, I was like, you know what?

02:39:11.000 I think I'm going to step away from Twitch.

02:39:12.000 I'm going to try YouTube.

02:39:14.000 And so far, YouTube's been great.

02:39:17.000 I've had a YouTube channel for a long time, but I've been trying to not post any MMA content.

02:39:22.000 I don't want to have any mixed martial arts, just because I want to be known for something else besides mixed martial arts.

02:39:29.000 So, I love YouTube because my channel's not dead when I'm not live.

02:39:33.000 I'm only monetizing when I'm live on Twitch.

02:39:36.000 Oh, I see.

02:39:37.000 So people can go to your channel and watch the old videos.

02:39:39.000 Watch the old videos.

02:39:40.000 And the algorithm on YouTube is so much better than Twitch.

02:39:44.000 So if you're a small streamer on Twitch, you're never going to get discovered.

02:39:49.000 It's very, very, very, very hard.

02:39:50.000 Because there's so many people on it?

02:39:51.000 There's so many people and there's no algorithm to pick you up.

02:39:55.000 I switched to YouTube and people are like, I didn't even know you had a YouTube channel.

02:39:58.000 I didn't know you stream.

02:39:59.000 I'm like, I've been streaming for fucking nine years.

02:40:01.000 How do you not know I didn't stream?

02:40:04.000 And so then I read the comments and I comment back on the comments on the YouTube channel.

02:40:08.000 And then somebody says, oh my God, thank God for the algorithm because I would never find your channel.

02:40:13.000 When I see that, I'm like, Ah.

02:40:15.000 And then if I do a reaction video, people will send me stuff and I'll react it to fake martial arts.

02:40:20.000 And I'll sit there and just laugh about it and give my honest opinion about it.

02:40:23.000 And people love and eat it up.

02:40:25.000 And then it's still getting views and I'm still able to get ad revenue and the monetization on it.

02:40:29.000 So that's why I switched over to YouTube.

02:40:30.000 But it's all for a passion.

02:40:32.000 Like, I don't...

02:40:33.000 I'm not relying on that money to be...

02:40:36.000 To pay my bills.

02:40:36.000 Right, so you're not thinking of it as a job like you were doing with Twitch for a while.

02:40:40.000 Twitch, I was like, if I want to be good, I have to stream all the time.

02:40:44.000 YouTube is like, I stream when I want to, and then I do a couple reaction videos, leave it up there, and then when I'm not streaming right now, people are probably watching the YouTube video and be good.

02:40:54.000 That makes sense.

02:40:55.000 Yeah.

02:40:55.000 That makes sense.

02:40:56.000 Yeah, YouTube does have amazing algorithms.

02:40:58.000 Yes.

02:40:58.000 And if you're doing something like that, it makes sense.

02:41:00.000 Yeah.

02:41:00.000 The problem with YouTube for what I do is there's a lot of censorship.

02:41:04.000 Yes.

02:41:05.000 And especially when you talk about controversial things like, you know, COVID or anything along those lines.

02:41:10.000 Yeah.

02:41:11.000 They tried to cancel you, Joe!

02:41:13.000 YouTube didn't.

02:41:14.000 I was already gone.

02:41:17.000 I was already on Spotify, which Spotify is pretty great about that stuff.

02:41:20.000 But if you're a person and you get hit with a strike, like YouTube only has like three strikes, and they'll pull your whole fucking channel.

02:41:27.000 That's the hardest thing.

02:41:28.000 So that's the hardest thing I've been trying to get around is me being on YouTube.

02:41:33.000 It's like you can't play music.

02:41:35.000 Right?

02:41:35.000 Or to copyright, right?

02:41:36.000 So my brother, my long lost brother, I just met after 35 years on this planet.

02:41:42.000 Oh, wow.

02:41:43.000 Man, I don't know how much time we have, but we have a whole...

02:41:45.000 I just met my father five years ago, changed my life.

02:41:50.000 But my brother, he's a musician, and he does beats.

02:41:52.000 And so I reached out to him.

02:41:53.000 I was like, hey, dude, can you make me some synthwave music that I can play on my YouTube channel?

02:41:58.000 And so he's doing it, and he does pretty good beats.

02:42:03.000 And I like Synthwave.

02:42:04.000 Do you know what Synthwave is?

02:42:05.000 No.

02:42:06.000 Synthwave is kind of like an 80s, 90s rock action hero.

02:42:12.000 Oh, okay.

02:42:13.000 So it's kind of like that.

02:42:14.000 So he's making me beats.

02:42:15.000 That way I can play music when I'm streaming on- And it's not copyright.

02:42:19.000 It's not copyright.

02:42:19.000 I own the rights to it, right?

02:42:21.000 And on Twitch, you're allowed to play music?

02:42:22.000 No, same thing.

02:42:23.000 You can't either.

02:42:24.000 But when I streamed on Twitch, I didn't really care about it.

02:42:28.000 YouTube, they're way quicker to get it up.

02:42:30.000 It's a copyright change, no monetization, you're done.

02:42:33.000 So, Twitch, you can play music and you still get monetized.

02:42:36.000 You can still monetize the stream itself.

02:42:40.000 But yeah, I like YouTube.

02:42:42.000 It's fun so far.

02:42:43.000 Well, it's beautiful that you have so many different things you're doing, you know, that you do have options outside of fighting, because that is one of the biggest problems that athletes have when they retire from the sport.

02:42:53.000 You give so much of your life to this one individual thing, and then a lot of guys are really lost when it's over.

02:43:00.000 So it's very smart that you're planning with these businesses.

02:43:03.000 And by the way, these bars, we should tell people about them one more time.

02:43:06.000 Quantum Energy Square, they're very good.

02:43:08.000 They're really good.

02:43:09.000 It does have, like, healthy fats in it and caffeine, and they taste good, man.

02:43:13.000 Yep, and it's in all your, you know, we're also in REI, all Whole Foods.

02:43:18.000 These would be great to take on hikes and shit like that.

02:43:20.000 Yep, that's what I take when I go with the kids, and I'm out to eat out there.

02:43:25.000 So, it's good, and that's one of the things, I never want to be lost, right?

02:43:28.000 I never want to get lost, and that's why...

02:43:31.000 Even after my last fight, when I won, I was like, man, I did this wrong, I did this wrong, and then Matt was like, dude, you just became a fucking world champion at 36 years old, again, without me in your corner.

02:43:40.000 Like, let's take a step back and enjoy the moment, right?

02:43:45.000 And that's why I don't want to get lost in that.

02:43:48.000 I don't want to succumb to that ego, or you're the GOAT. It's like, hey, you know what?

02:43:52.000 We won.

02:43:53.000 How do we get to the endgame where our businesses thrive and they succeed, and I can ride out their sunset where they're like...

02:44:00.000 Man, why were you so successful?

02:44:01.000 And I was like, because I didn't put all my eggs.

02:44:03.000 I mean, I did, but I'm also branching out and doing different things.

02:44:06.000 Well, in two years, when you're done, come back on.

02:44:10.000 We'll celebrate the whole ride.

02:44:12.000 And hopefully you'll be balling out of control with these quantum energy squares.

02:44:16.000 Should I be like Jeff Like, look at DJ! I remember two years ago he was on the show, he's all jacked now!

02:44:23.000 On the sauce?

02:44:24.000 No, god no.

02:44:24.000 Never.

02:44:25.000 Never get on the sauce?

02:44:26.000 Never.

02:44:27.000 I don't need it.

02:44:28.000 How many people over in 1FC are on the sauce?

02:44:30.000 I have no idea.

02:44:31.000 Seems like a couple.

02:44:32.000 Here's the thing about that.

02:44:35.000 I fought somebody on EPO. I didn't think TJ would ever take EBO. Well, he said he only took it because he was trying to make fly away.

02:44:41.000 125, right?

02:44:42.000 Yeah.

02:44:42.000 Which he did look like he was on death's door.

02:44:44.000 I still didn't want to believe he did it, right?

02:44:47.000 So if people are going to do it, they can do it.

02:44:49.000 Like, I talked to a buddy at my gym.

02:44:51.000 I say, he goes, do you think this guy is natural or not?

02:44:54.000 And I'm like, uh...

02:44:56.000 I think he naturally goes, he's not.

02:44:58.000 He came out and admitted he doesn't.

02:44:59.000 I'm like, oh man.

02:45:01.000 I would never do it.

02:45:03.000 And I've seen Matt.

02:45:04.000 He's still fast as hell.

02:45:07.000 Still trains.

02:45:08.000 Got biceps, got abs.

02:45:10.000 I mean, he's a freak of nature, but he doesn't do anything.

02:45:13.000 How old is Matt now?

02:45:14.000 Matt is 56 years old.

02:45:16.000 Wow.

02:45:16.000 And he's still moving and still training.

02:45:19.000 And still sparring.

02:45:20.000 Still sparring.

02:45:21.000 That's incredible.

02:45:22.000 Yeah, so I have something to look up to.

02:45:24.000 Is he really strict with his diet?

02:45:27.000 Yeah, but he's also just a freak of nature.

02:45:30.000 Like, I tell him, he's like, you're built like an 18-year-old.

02:45:31.000 Look at that back.

02:45:32.000 Look at him biceps.

02:45:34.000 But I think his biggest thing is that he travels so much, he doesn't have a time zone.

02:45:39.000 So I asked him, I was like, how do you feel?

02:45:41.000 At 56, he goes, if I get my sleep and my nutrition, I feel like I'm 22, 23. Wow.

02:45:46.000 But he's like, if I don't get my sleep, that's what hurts him the most.

02:45:49.000 Mm.

02:45:49.000 So there's gonna be a chance, one of these, I'm gonna beat him in sparring, and when it does, he's gonna be fucking dehydrated and lethargic.

02:45:54.000 And I'm like, now it's time.

02:45:56.000 Catch him jet-lagged.

02:45:57.000 Jet-lagged, I'm like...

02:45:57.000 And that was the thing, like...

02:45:59.000 That was my goal.

02:46:00.000 I want to be able to take three months off of sparring.

02:46:04.000 I just punched for the first time yesterday at the gym since my fight.

02:46:08.000 And I want to be able to take four months off coming to the gym.

02:46:11.000 I'm like, alright guys, you guys all been training MMA. This is how good you got in four months.

02:46:14.000 And I'm still beating them.

02:46:15.000 I'm like, just like Matt did to me when I was a kid.

02:46:19.000 That's the goal.

02:46:20.000 That is the goal.

02:46:21.000 Well, DJ, it's always a pleasure to see you, man, and it's a pleasure to watch you out there killing it.

02:46:26.000 I really, really appreciate it.

02:46:28.000 Thanks, man.

02:46:28.000 It's nice to see.

02:46:29.000 Thanks, man.

02:46:30.000 You got a great attitude, man.

02:46:31.000 Enjoy the ride.

02:46:32.000 I will, man.

02:46:33.000 I will.

02:46:33.000 Thank you.

02:46:34.000 Tell everybody your social media so they can find you.

02:46:36.000 Yeah, social media on Instagram is Mighty, and Twitter is Mighty Mouse.

02:46:41.000 YouTube is Mighty Gaming.

02:46:44.000 And yeah, man, thanks for the support, Joe.

02:46:45.000 I truly appreciate it, man.

02:46:46.000 My pleasure, brother.

02:46:46.000 Good to see you.

02:46:47.000 Thank you, baby.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 17, 2011

JRE MMA Show #131 with Mighty Mouse

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