The Joe Rogan Experience - August 24, 2011


JRE MMA Show #133 with Sean O'Malley

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Comedian and comedian Joe Rogan joins Jemele to discuss his life and career. They talk about how he got started in comedy, what it's like to be a comedian, and how to stay on top of your game when you don't have any money or time to buy a car. They also talk about the benefits of drugs and how they can be used to improve your comedy, and why you shouldn't care if you're high or not if you can make money off of it. Joe also talks about his thoughts on drugs and what it means to be creative when you're not on drugs, and whether or not you should be doing drugs to be able to make money from your ideas. And they talk about where ideas come from, and if they might be floating around in other dimensions. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts! Thanks for listening and Good Luck Out There! -Jon Sorrentino Subscribe, Like, and Share and Retweet this episode! Subscribe to our new podcast, and tell a friend about what you're listening to and what you think of it on your social media about it! Thank you for listening, and we'll be checking it out! Timestamps: 1:00 - What's your thoughts on this episode? 4:30 - What does it mean to you? 6:15 - How do you feel about it? 7:00 8:00- What do you think it's a good idea? 9: What are you looking for? 11:20 - What would you like to hear from someone else's ideas? 13:00 | What's better? 14:40 - Is it possible to be more creative? 15:00 -- What's the best thing you're making you better than someone else? 16:30 -- What kind of idea you're going to make more of an idea for a better than that? 17:20 -- How do they have a better idea for me? 18: Is it better than you're having an idea or a better one? 19:40 -- What do they're thinking of you're you're gonna make it more interesting? 21:00 Is it a good thing? 22:30 | What are they coming out of it's better than a better place? 25:30

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00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:05.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
00:00:09.000 I don't know why though.
00:00:16.000 It doesn't make sense.
00:00:18.000 Well, for a fight, I know I'm prepared.
00:00:19.000 I know I have eight to ten weeks to prepare for that moment.
00:00:23.000 I guess you could prepare for comedy if you know you're making people laugh and you know you have a good bit.
00:00:30.000 That might make it easier, but to go up there and freestyle it would be hard.
00:00:33.000 That would be impossible, pretty much, for a newbie.
00:00:36.000 Well, you could.
00:00:37.000 It depends on your personality.
00:00:38.000 Like, there's people who could freestyle it.
00:00:40.000 Like, I'm sure Joey Diaz could freestyle it his first time on stage.
00:00:43.000 It's just all in who you are.
00:00:45.000 Like, I can't.
00:00:46.000 I have to have... 1.00
00:00:47.000 I prepared my shit for months in advance. 0.99
00:00:50.000 I even recorded it on a little tape recorder and played it back and listened to it. 0.99
00:00:54.000 You still do that?
00:00:55.000 I record and then listen to it?
00:00:56.000 No.
00:00:56.000 I record sets.
00:00:58.000 But I don't, like, just talk into my tape recorder and then, like, listen to that like it's a bit and rehearse it like it's a bit.
00:01:07.000 Yeah, comedy would...
00:01:08.000 I can watch it.
00:01:10.000 I just don't know if I can ever do it.
00:01:11.000 I feel like I'm a funny person.
00:01:13.000 When I'm around my group of friends, around comfortable people, I feel like I can make people laugh.
00:01:17.000 But sometimes when I get really high, I feel like I have good bits.
00:01:20.000 Yeah.
00:01:21.000 And I'm like, how could you...
00:01:23.000 And then I'll tell someone after I'm not high, and I'm like, yeah, that was not it.
00:01:26.000 But when you're in the moment, maybe you could have figured out how to translate it. 0.98
00:01:31.000 The problem is when you're sober, then you're reading like, what the fuck was I saying? 0.97
00:01:35.000 I do that all the time. 0.92
00:01:36.000 I have notes on my phone, so if I'm out and I just have a crazy idea, I'll write it down on my phone, and then I'll go look at them the next day to see if I mined any gold.
00:01:46.000 I'm like, what do I got?
00:01:47.000 What do I got? 0.99
00:01:47.000 But so many times, it's like, what the fuck are you saying? 0.99
00:01:51.000 Yeah, I like the way you talk about it though. 0.99
00:01:53.000 I think it was even one of the recent podcasts you're saying it's just like such an infant when you have an idea.
00:01:58.000 And then you slowly kind of add to it, add to it, add to it until it's like the whole bit.
00:02:03.000 But you never know because sometimes they come out like full grown.
00:02:07.000 Yeah.
00:02:07.000 Sometimes it just pop out of your head.
00:02:09.000 You just have an idea. 0.99
00:02:09.000 That's fucking funny. 0.99
00:02:10.000 It's like a full-grown idea. 0.98
00:02:12.000 But not always.
00:02:13.000 They're all different.
00:02:14.000 It's a tough job.
00:02:15.000 I have a weird theory about ideas.
00:02:18.000 It's not substantiated, nor do I expect it to be taken seriously.
00:02:22.000 But I think ideas might be life forms.
00:02:24.000 I think...
00:02:26.000 We're very limited in the way we think about life forms.
00:02:29.000 You know, we think of life forms as something that breeds and something that, you know, grows in the ground or whatever.
00:02:35.000 That's what we think of life forms. 0.95
00:02:36.000 But if you think about every fucking thing on earth, everything, this microphone I'm talking to, the airplane that got you here, the sneakers that are on your feet, every fucking thing came out of an idea. 0.99
00:02:49.000 An idea got into a person's mind and then that person made that idea and we're like people are so creative and we certainly are but where the fuck are these ideas coming from? 0.98
00:03:00.000 These ideas that manifest themselves in the form of physical things like televisions and Automobiles and cell phones What is that?
00:03:12.000 Do you think they could be floating around in different dimensions?
00:03:15.000 Maybe if we were on some kind of drugs, we could see certain ideas floating around and you can grab that one, put it in your mind.
00:03:21.000 It might be that way.
00:03:23.000 It might be that your mind tunes in to these things that are out there.
00:03:27.000 And like, the more you can tune in, the more successful you'll be, right?
00:03:33.000 So the more you'll have an incentive to tune in and make more stuff.
00:03:37.000 Interesting.
00:03:37.000 You know, and people were rewarded for being successful and making stuff out of ideas.
00:03:42.000 Yeah. 0.93
00:03:45.000 Fucking weird, right? 1.00
00:03:46.000 I mean, fuck, yeah. 1.00
00:03:48.000 Like, where are they coming from? 1.00
00:03:49.000 The most important thing that human life has ever had is ideas.
00:03:55.000 Yeah. 0.97
00:03:55.000 Because those ideas turned us from these primates living in the jungle, like regular animals, to someone who lives in a fucking apartment building on the 32nd floor and has Wi-Fi. 0.97
00:04:04.000 That's what turned us into that. 0.99
00:04:06.000 Ideas. 0.99
00:04:06.000 Yeah, it's fucking crazy. 0.99
00:04:08.000 It might be life forms. 0.98
00:04:09.000 I feel like I have very few brilliant ideas. 0.99
00:04:13.000 Thank God for the people that do figure out the important shit. 0.99
00:04:17.000 We need a lot of people to think of important shit. 0.99
00:04:19.000 I have a joke about that. 0.99
00:04:21.000 You remember those folks that got trapped on that island?
00:04:23.000 There's a there's an island called North Sentinel Island and it's in the middle of the Indian Ocean There's only like 39 people on it.
00:04:30.000 No, it's where there was a missionary a couple years back He went to deliver Bibles to them and they murdered him.
00:04:36.000 Oh God But these people like we're talking about like uncontacted people and I'm saying like I They don't have a chance. 0.96
00:04:43.000 Like, that's them.
00:04:46.000 There's not enough of them.
00:04:47.000 There's only 39 of them. 0.99
00:04:49.000 I'm like, to get a society like we need, like we have, you need fucking millions of people.
00:04:55.000 And there's only like four or five people that figure out everything. 1.00
00:04:58.000 And we buy all their shit. 0.99
00:05:00.000 And those are the guys that are gonna live if another... 1.00
00:05:02.000 I was listening to the Graham Hancock one.
00:05:04.000 Those are the guys that are gonna survive if another...
00:05:08.000 Apocalypse happens.
00:05:09.000 Yeah, something crazy happens.
00:05:11.000 Yeah, we're not going to make it.
00:05:13.000 They're not going to miss a beat.
00:05:14.000 No, no, no, yeah.
00:05:15.000 They're out there with bows and arrows hunting and fishing and living off the land, and they've been doing that for thousands of years.
00:05:21.000 They're going to be fun. 0.99
00:05:21.000 Yeah, I feel like such a bitch when I think of those guys. 0.99
00:05:24.000 I'm so helpless. 1.00
00:05:25.000 I can whoop someone's ass, but it doesn't really mean much when it comes down to it. 1.00
00:05:30.000 You could do it. 0.99
00:05:31.000 You could do exactly what they're doing if you were thrust into that situation.
00:05:34.000 100%.
00:05:35.000 100%, dude.
00:05:36.000 You'd be like that dude in Avatar who just adapts and becomes one of the Na'vi. 1.00
00:05:41.000 You would just adapt.
00:05:43.000 Yeah, it's like languages, I guess, too.
00:05:45.000 Just submerge yourself in another country. 0.99
00:05:46.000 I was in Mexico recently, and I was like, damn. 0.99
00:05:49.000 My wife's from Oaxaca. 0.99
00:05:51.000 Her first language is Spanish.
00:05:53.000 I've been with her for seven years, so I've learned a little bit. 0.99
00:05:56.000 I was trying to speak it there, but I was like, damn. 0.97
00:05:58.000 I feel like I could learn it if I was here for three months. 0.98
00:06:01.000 I'd just be speaking it.
00:06:02.000 Yeah.
00:06:03.000 There's some method that I was reading about that is some tried-and-true method for learning language that allows you to be functional in a language in 30 days. 0.97
00:06:15.000 See if you can find out what the fuck that is. 0.99
00:06:18.000 Damn. 0.99
00:06:18.000 It might have just been a marketing scheme. 0.99
00:06:20.000 Yeah.
00:06:20.000 I might have got sucked into it.
00:06:22.000 These fucking stars are tripping me out. 1.00
00:06:24.000 I keep seeing them. 1.00
00:06:25.000 Learn a new language in 30 days.
00:06:27.000 Yeah, Pimsleur method.
00:06:28.000 It is an ad, but that's what pops up.
00:06:29.000 It is an ad.
00:06:30.000 Focuses on conversational skills.
00:06:32.000 Start actually speaking today.
00:06:34.000 I heard that Rosetta is good too, right?
00:06:36.000 Rosetta style?
00:06:37.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:06:38.000 Yeah, it's crazy.
00:06:38.000 Elena, she's two, my daughter, she's learning English and Spanish at the same time, so she'll say like, she'll have like, she's starting to say two or three word sentences, but some will be in English and Spanish, and it's just a trip to see how their little brains work.
00:06:52.000 It's supposed to be really good for a child's development to be learning languages simultaneously.
00:06:57.000 Yeah, Danny's mom's our full-time nanny, and she only speaks Spanish.
00:07:00.000 And she's with her Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then sometimes on the weekends.
00:07:04.000 So she's learning, like, she's like, Spanish could be her primary language at first.
00:07:09.000 Oh. 0.98
00:07:10.000 Yeah, no, it's fucking interesting. 0.94
00:07:12.000 It's one of the more important things, supposedly, to keep your mind from atrophying, is learning language. 0.84
00:07:20.000 Learning language is a really difficult thing.
00:07:22.000 They say that there's a few things that you can do to stave off mental deterioration.
00:07:29.000 One of them is crossword puzzles.
00:07:33.000 Like, doing things where your mind...
00:07:34.000 It just makes sense.
00:07:35.000 You make your mind work.
00:07:36.000 And what makes your mind work more than learning a language?
00:07:39.000 Yeah, seriously.
00:07:39.000 I remember when I was...
00:07:41.000 I haven't...
00:07:42.000 What was it? 0.98
00:07:43.000 Duolingo or some shit? 0.99
00:07:44.000 One of the apps? 0.99
00:07:45.000 I would go every day.
00:07:46.000 Well, maybe not every day, but pretty much every day.
00:07:48.000 I'd go to the coffee shop.
00:07:50.000 Before practice, I'd read.
00:07:51.000 I'd go there for an hour.
00:07:52.000 I'd go and read for half an hour, then Duolingo for half an hour for a long time. 0.98
00:07:56.000 I got decent at it, but it's just like you lose what you don't use or whatever the fuck that is. 0.96
00:08:01.000 That's so true. 0.95
00:08:03.000 That was a while back when I first moved to Arizona and first met Dani.
00:08:06.000 I was like, I'm going to be able to talk to her in her language and then did it for a while. 0.99
00:08:10.000 I was like, fuck that. 0.99
00:08:10.000 I got it a lot when I was in high school. 0.99
00:08:13.000 I had Spanish and I got to a point where I almost had conversations in class.
00:08:19.000 You know, I could have like crude conversations in class.
00:08:21.000 And I remember thinking at the time, oh, this is great.
00:08:24.000 Because now I always know how to talk like a little bit of Spanish. 1.00
00:08:26.000 That shit was gone in like six months. 0.99
00:08:29.000 Six months after I graduated high school, it was gone. 0.99
00:08:31.000 Yeah, I was- Want some coffee? 1.00
00:08:33.000 Fuck it, I might take some coffee, yeah. 1.00
00:08:35.000 I was surprised. 1.00
00:08:35.000 I was doing pretty good. 1.00
00:08:36.000 I think Tim went with me to Mexico.
00:08:38.000 He was impressed.
00:08:39.000 I was trying to have conversations.
00:08:41.000 The thing is, when I was there, it wasn't as embarrassing. 1.00
00:08:46.000 But when I tried to do it with Dani or her mom, I just feel like a fucking idiot. 0.99
00:08:50.000 Imagine how foreigners feel talking to us. 1.00
00:08:53.000 That's why it's so rude to mock them.
00:08:55.000 Yeah, Dani moved to America when she was nine, went to just a normal school and no one spoke English.
00:09:01.000 She only spoke Spanish and she was like, just had submerged into it and just slowly had to learn.
00:09:07.000 Like she went to English class, obviously, but it's hard when she said there was one girl in her class that spoke like broken, broken Spanish.
00:09:14.000 Wow.
00:09:15.000 Yeah.
00:09:15.000 Imagine trying to like fit in and learn a new culture while you're learning the language.
00:09:20.000 You have totally different culture, totally different environment and totally different language.
00:09:25.000 Yeah, no, it's impressive.
00:09:27.000 I mean, it's like you don't really have a choice when you're nine and you just go to school.
00:09:30.000 It's like you don't have a choice, but learn.
00:09:32.000 Right, most nine-year-old kids freak out if they have to move to a new neighborhood.
00:09:36.000 Yeah.
00:09:36.000 They gotta make new friends.
00:09:37.000 It's like traumatic.
00:09:39.000 Yeah.
00:09:39.000 You did a lot of moving, yeah?
00:09:41.000 Well, when I moved my kids here, there was like, I'm like, this is like kind of at the wire where I can't move them anymore.
00:09:48.000 What age were they?
00:09:49.000 10 and 12. Okay.
00:09:50.000 I was like, this is like right way.
00:09:53.000 And then we still had friends that visited.
00:09:55.000 We have friends that also live in Texas.
00:09:57.000 We're like, this might work now.
00:09:59.000 But if you move them when they're like 15, 16, not good.
00:10:04.000 Not good.
00:10:05.000 Yeah.
00:10:05.000 I was trying to get my sister to move down when she was, I think she was somewhat like freshman or sophomore.
00:10:10.000 Moved down to Phoenix from Montana, and my mom was like, no! 0.97
00:10:15.000 I didn't get it.
00:10:15.000 I'm like, why?
00:10:16.000 But thinking about it now, I'm like, yeah, that would have probably been...
00:10:19.000 It's hard for a girl.
00:10:20.000 It's rough.
00:10:21.000 It's rough for everybody.
00:10:22.000 Especially girls. 0.99
00:10:24.000 They go in these...
00:10:24.000 It's like a natural bullying instinct that teenage girls have.
00:10:29.000 They're fucking mean to each other. 1.00
00:10:31.000 They get fucking mean to each other, dude. 0.99
00:10:32.000 I get privy to some text message exchanges that some of these kids have. 1.00
00:10:36.000 I'm like, what the fuck, man? 1.00
00:10:38.000 And parents get confronted by their kid being like horrible and saying horrible shit to people. 1.00
00:10:44.000 Kids telling kids to kill themselves. 1.00
00:10:46.000 Like wild shit. 1.00
00:10:48.000 Not No Kids I Know did. 1.00
00:10:49.000 Let me just state that.
00:10:51.000 But I do know that there was a thing where a girl was arrested and she wound up being held guilty.
00:10:57.000 She was a teenager.
00:10:59.000 She broke up with this guy and she convinced him to kill himself.
00:11:01.000 He killed himself.
00:11:02.000 Remember that? 1.00
00:11:03.000 I think that was on Netflix or some shit. 0.98
00:11:04.000 I watched that. 0.99
00:11:05.000 What?
00:11:05.000 I mean, there's something about teenage people that are just learning how to be mean and learning how to turn on and being scared of people doing it to them.
00:11:14.000 And so they pile on each other like, whoo!
00:11:16.000 And you're not learning anything in school that's like communication skills or like going inside yourself and feelings and like you're not learning any of that so it's just...
00:11:26.000 Imagine learning how to talk while you're texting.
00:11:29.000 Imagine learning how to communicate with people, and you're doing more texting than you are actually communicating.
00:11:34.000 I think in seventh grade, I got my first flip phone.
00:11:38.000 Seventh, eighth grade.
00:11:38.000 So I was trying to...
00:11:39.000 I could talk to chicks texting. 1.00
00:11:41.000 I could text them, hey, you look good.
00:11:43.000 I could say anything.
00:11:44.000 So arduous, though.
00:11:44.000 But then in school, when I'd see them, I'd be like...
00:11:47.000 I couldn't have a conversation.
00:11:48.000 I was so scared.
00:11:49.000 But texting, I could say some...
00:11:51.000 Whatever.
00:11:52.000 Well, it's like we were talking about stand-up.
00:11:54.000 It's just a thing you get used to doing.
00:11:57.000 You're used to fighting.
00:11:58.000 For you, I'm sure you get heightened senses and you get fired up and your adrenaline kicks in, but this is a normal thing for you.
00:12:07.000 There's people that just would completely freeze and not even be able to walk into the cage.
00:12:13.000 They would have a panic attack, but you've done it so many times.
00:12:17.000 I think that's kind of the case with all things that are difficult to do.
00:12:20.000 Yeah.
00:12:22.000 That, too.
00:12:22.000 And it's a skill you have to learn, because Donald Cerrone, for example, did it how many times?
00:12:27.000 I was in the backstage of his last fight.
00:12:30.000 I fought...
00:12:32.000 I don't remember who I fought, but I was in the back room.
00:12:36.000 He was walking out before me.
00:12:37.000 He was warming up and he just looked not scared.
00:12:40.000 I don't know if they were nervous like had this anxious energy and He's done more than anyone, but it's just like and then I think if you want to fight well that never really goes away I think you have confidence and I think you control it and I think the best guys learn how to handle it but you know when you're looking at like Alex Pajeda looking at Stylebender in the face-off.
00:13:07.000 There has to be some crazy heightened sense of tension and awareness and the moment and it's a crazy big fight.
00:13:16.000 I don't think you get away with that without not having that.
00:13:19.000 I think everybody has it.
00:13:20.000 It's just some people handle it better.
00:13:22.000 And I think the guys that don't have it, I think sometimes they get in trouble.
00:13:25.000 Some fights I've seen guys where they're just a little too calm, a little too confident, and then they get lit up.
00:13:31.000 It's almost like they can't wake themselves up.
00:13:33.000 Interesting, yeah.
00:13:34.000 For me, my last fight going in there with Peter, I just felt...
00:13:37.000 I felt no nerves.
00:13:40.000 I felt so calm.
00:13:41.000 And I've had nerves.
00:13:42.000 I've had fights.
00:13:42.000 Like my debut when I fought Therion Ware, I remember in the backstage closing my eyes too long and I was thinking, if I lose this and then lose one more, I could get cut.
00:13:50.000 Having that thought vividly And I was like, well, fuck that. 0.96
00:13:53.000 Okay, well, like, counter that, obviously, with some positive shit, but going into that last fight, I had zero nerves. 0.99
00:13:59.000 I don't know if it was... 0.94
00:14:00.000 I didn't feel like it was a win-win.
00:14:01.000 I'm like, I wasn't thinking, like, oh, if I lose to Peter, like, no one's gonna care.
00:14:05.000 It was just...
00:14:06.000 I don't know what it was, but I felt...
00:14:08.000 It was confidence, obviously.
00:14:10.000 I had a really good training camp, had a good everything, weight cut.
00:14:13.000 But I wasn't nervous to lose, but it wasn't because it was to Peter.
00:14:20.000 I don't know.
00:14:21.000 You just had gotten into a good headspace to compete.
00:14:24.000 Maybe you're just much better now at getting in the right headspace that allows you to compete at your best.
00:14:30.000 Because if you think about it, thinking about all those other things, those are not beneficial.
00:14:34.000 And you've experienced those in the past, and you learn from it.
00:14:37.000 Yeah, that's what it is.
00:14:38.000 It's like there's these moments in life where you could think the wrong way and just go off the rails, or you could manage it.
00:14:47.000 It's a skill.
00:14:48.000 It's a mental skill.
00:14:49.000 And I attribute that to all the things I do in preparation leading up to fights.
00:14:54.000 And I've had so many training camps now.
00:14:56.000 I think that was my 10th fight in the UFC. And then I had a ton of fights before that.
00:15:01.000 But I think it's just...
00:15:03.000 Learning each camp a little bit more to prepare yourself for that specific moment.
00:15:08.000 Fights are fucking weird because I had no plans for October 23rd.
00:15:12.000 The fight was October 22nd. 0.97
00:15:14.000 You just plan on not dying, but there's nothing else that matters.
00:15:19.000 For 12 weeks, I knew I was fighting him for a long time, over three months.
00:15:23.000 There was just nothing.
00:15:24.000 October 22nd was that date.
00:15:26.000 Nothing else mattered.
00:15:28.000 It's crazy what kind of headspace you get into, into fight camp.
00:15:32.000 And then after fight camp, it takes me like two, three weeks.
00:15:35.000 Like we're four weeks out tomorrow from that last fight to get back to just normal thinking.
00:15:41.000 And just being at home, being a dad.
00:15:44.000 It's a weird mind space you get into in fight camp.
00:15:50.000 I mean, it's just a very disciplined mindset.
00:15:53.000 I know some fighters that don't really train and take it as serious, but everyone's different.
00:16:01.000 Well, I think you're figuring out how to do it right for you.
00:16:05.000 You're dialing it in, and I think the way you're doing is the right way.
00:16:10.000 I think it's the only way you make those big leaps. 1.00
00:16:13.000 I mean, you're in a fucking shark-infested pond, man. 1.00
00:16:16.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:16:17.000 That is such a shark-filled section of MMA. That 135-pound division is wild, man.
00:16:25.000 Yeah.
00:16:25.000 And no one weighs 135 pounds.
00:16:27.000 Dude, I heard Aljo say he was like 170 or something the other day.
00:16:32.000 Aljo's so big! 1.00
00:16:33.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00
00:16:34.000 No wonder he doesn't want to fight until July. 0.99
00:16:35.000 His build is like the perfect 135 pound.
00:16:39.000 You can't get any bigger, any leaner.
00:16:42.000 You know, there's like tweeners.
00:16:44.000 I think Diego Sanchez was always a tweener.
00:16:47.000 He was a little bit too small for 55. And when he tried to make 45, that was way too much of a weight cut.
00:16:56.000 And at 70, I think he was small for those guys.
00:16:59.000 He beat a lot of good guys at all those weight classes.
00:17:03.000 Diego in his prime, but he was just an animal.
00:17:05.000 And I was like, if there was a 160-pound division...
00:17:08.000 Like somewhere in that range.
00:17:10.000 Yeah.
00:17:10.000 Yeah, no, that would be sweet if they had more divisions.
00:17:13.000 I know you guys always talk about that.
00:17:15.000 Yeah.
00:17:15.000 I think it should be every 10 pounds.
00:17:18.000 Yeah, it makes sense.
00:17:19.000 65, what is it?
00:17:21.000 75?
00:17:22.000 Yeah.
00:17:22.000 85, yeah.
00:17:23.000 Because there's a thing, too, about guys who have too many fights with guys that are out of their weight class.
00:17:27.000 Like, I think it takes even more off of you.
00:17:30.000 I think if you're a small guy in the weight class and you have wars with the bigger guys in the weight class, I think it probably takes even more off of you.
00:17:37.000 Yeah.
00:17:38.000 And then, in my opinion, I think I walk around 157, 158. I feel like that's prime.
00:17:46.000 If he's walking around 170, that's too fucking big. 0.89
00:17:49.000 When you get to 58, is it looming in the back of your mind? 0.97
00:17:53.000 135. Oh, yeah.
00:17:55.000 I will not get above 160 because I know I have to eventually make weight.
00:17:59.000 And I think Aljo, like, that's just too...
00:18:02.000 He's saying he doesn't want to fight, you know, the weight cut and all that.
00:18:06.000 But, I mean, if you're going to be champion, look at Adesanya. 0.98
00:18:08.000 He's fighting all the time.
00:18:10.000 If you're going to be champ, you've got to be ready to go.
00:18:13.000 And you can't get that big.
00:18:14.000 What did you think about Adesanya when he went up and fight Jan Bojovic and he didn't even gain any weight?
00:18:19.000 So that was from 185 to 205. Yeah, he went from 85 to 205, and he wound up weighing like 194 or something like that.
00:18:28.000 So he didn't do anything to try to gain weight.
00:18:30.000 He just didn't cut weight.
00:18:31.000 It's probably what he walks around at before he fights in middleweight.
00:18:34.000 Yeah, I mean, that was just a tough matchup for him to go up.
00:18:37.000 That's a lot of weight, too.
00:18:38.000 It's not like going up 10. Like, for me to go up to 45 is only 10 pounds for him.
00:18:42.000 Yeah.
00:18:42.000 You know, going up 20 pounds to try to become double champ, that's tough.
00:18:45.000 That's like a shitty weight class to want to be double champ.
00:18:48.000 And unless you're Alex Pereira, I don't get how he... 0.97
00:18:51.000 Because on the scale, he doesn't look super, super sucked in.
00:18:55.000 Like, doesn't look like he just got done cutting 20 pounds. 1.00
00:18:57.000 But that motherfucker is so massive. 1.00
00:18:59.000 He made Izzy look small. 1.00
00:19:02.000 And I've been around Izzy.
00:19:03.000 Izzy's a big guy.
00:19:04.000 Yeah, Izzy's a long, tall man.
00:19:07.000 And Pejeta's just...
00:19:08.000 Everything was so...
00:19:09.000 Did you see what Robert Whittaker said about it?
00:19:11.000 The big fella?
00:19:11.000 He goes, you see the size of this fella?
00:19:13.000 I did. 0.99
00:19:14.000 He's a freaking giant! 0.99
00:19:16.000 Yeah, and he is. 0.99
00:19:17.000 That's an interesting...
00:19:18.000 They gotta give Izzy the rematch though, right? 1.00
00:19:20.000 Oh, I would think for sure.
00:19:22.000 If Izzy wants that, I would think that's his.
00:19:25.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:19:25.000 I mean, Izzy said he wanted it, but fuck, dude. 1.00
00:19:28.000 He fought a damn near perfect fight for a couple more minutes. 0.99
00:19:31.000 So he goes from...
00:19:35.000 Yeah, from 83 kilograms to 99.3 kilograms. 1.00
00:19:39.000 Fuck. 0.99
00:19:40.000 So what is 99.3 kilograms? 1.00
00:19:42.000 Is that like 220-something pounds?
00:19:44.000 That picture on the left, 219 on fight day?
00:19:46.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:19:47.000 I mean, it's weird because when they weigh you on fight day, there's a scale, you have your shoes on and shit, you have a hoodie on, they don't really make you take your shit off and weigh yourself. 0.97
00:19:56.000 Look at that, 219. He walks around, he weighs in at 184, and then he weighs in on the fight day at 219. That's crazy. 0.84
00:20:06.000 I don't get it.
00:20:07.000 He's a heavyweight.
00:20:09.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:20:10.000 He's a fucking heavyweight. 1.00
00:20:12.000 He's a heavyweight. 1.00
00:20:13.000 He's like, look, if he had a little bit of fat on him, he's a heavyweight.
00:20:17.000 Yeah, that's true.
00:20:18.000 Like if you had Cain Velasquez looking.
00:20:21.000 Those are some busted up toes, son.
00:20:23.000 Those are some toes that'll kick some elbows, man. 0.62
00:20:25.000 That's the worst about every time I get in a fight. 1.00
00:20:27.000 It's my fucking feet. 1.00
00:20:28.000 Look at those toes, son. 1.00
00:20:30.000 Those toes have seen hell. 0.97
00:20:32.000 That's a big fight, though.
00:20:34.000 The rematch.
00:20:34.000 The fourth fight.
00:20:36.000 God, imagine Izzy losing again, though. 0.95
00:20:38.000 He's just 4-0 to this guy.
00:20:39.000 Do you think if you were Izzy, should he...
00:20:43.000 Take some time?
00:20:44.000 Should he go right into the rematch in, like, six months?
00:20:48.000 Like, if you were in his corner, what would you say to him?
00:20:52.000 Yeah, I mean, I wonder if Alex is gonna stick around and defend it with someone else.
00:20:56.000 Oh, no, Alex would take that fight.
00:20:58.000 No, no, Alex, yeah, Alex will, but I wonder if Izzy said, no, let's let someone else try to fight Alex.
00:21:03.000 I wonder if Alex is sticking around for that, or if he's like, I'm gonna go up to 205, try to fight double champ, unless it's Glover, right?
00:21:10.000 No, he would never fight Glover, but that's actually a good point.
00:21:14.000 If Yuri Prohaska beats Glover in the rematch, and then he decides to avenge Glover and fight Yuri Prohaska, they got a great storyline.
00:21:24.000 What a storyline.
00:21:25.000 Because Uri, he obviously has grappling skills because he submitted Glover, but that was in sort of a wild exchange and he caught him in a choke while they're in this.
00:21:34.000 It was in hell.
00:21:36.000 They were both in hell.
00:21:37.000 They dragged each other to hell.
00:21:39.000 It was as exhausted as you can be, as broken as you can be.
00:21:43.000 Everybody got rocked.
00:21:45.000 Everybody got hurt. 0.97
00:21:46.000 It was a crazy ass fight. 0.97
00:21:48.000 Uri did submit him. 0.98
00:21:50.000 But they say Pahanna's got a brown belt in jiu-jitsu.
00:21:53.000 Like, he just got a brown belt in jiu-jitsu.
00:21:55.000 Like, Glover gave him his brown belt.
00:21:56.000 I don't know what it actually looks like if he thinks he's going to grapple.
00:22:00.000 Yeah.
00:22:01.000 You know?
00:22:01.000 Like, I don't think he thought he was going to grapple.
00:22:03.000 Right.
00:22:04.000 I would like to see, like, if that's a real brown belt. 1.00
00:22:07.000 Like, I would see him real grappling. 0.99
00:22:08.000 But when it comes to hitting people, that fucking... 0.99
00:22:12.000 Dude, he's fucking technical, too, man. 1.00
00:22:14.000 It's not just power. 0.99
00:22:15.000 The way he's setting Izzy up...
00:22:17.000 That left hook.
00:22:18.000 The left hook is murderous.
00:22:20.000 And he checks kicks as good as anybody, man.
00:22:23.000 If you watch his left leg when he's fighting, when he's stomping forward, he checks everything, man.
00:22:29.000 He's checking all those calf kicks.
00:22:31.000 But that was a big problem in the fight, was that Izzy had landed some brutal, or he had landed some brutal calf kicks on Izzy early on. 1.00
00:22:39.000 I think it was like five or six.
00:22:40.000 In that first round.
00:22:42.000 Heavy.
00:22:42.000 Heavy.
00:22:42.000 Those are heavy too.
00:22:43.000 His fucking fist. 1.00
00:22:45.000 I met him when he fought Shit Strickland. 1.00
00:22:48.000 And his fist is like literally both mine put together. 0.91
00:22:51.000 It was so massive.
00:22:53.000 And they're long.
00:22:54.000 Yeah.
00:22:54.000 They're like long fists.
00:22:56.000 Just a big fella. 1.00
00:22:57.000 Just a big fucking fella. 1.00
00:22:59.000 His fucking highlight reel is like nobody else's. 1.00
00:23:02.000 His highlight reel is so wild. 1.00
00:23:04.000 You see his fight with Jason Willness?
00:23:07.000 No.
00:23:08.000 Pull up.
00:23:10.000 Pajeda KO's Jason Willness.
00:23:11.000 He's kickboxing?
00:23:12.000 Yeah, Jason Willness was world champion.
00:23:15.000 Jason Willness is like top of the food chain elite kickboxer.
00:23:19.000 And he fought Pajeda before and he actually had beaten Pajeda at some time early in Pajeda's career. 0.99
00:23:25.000 But this fucking knockout is so wild. 0.97
00:23:28.000 And you got to remember like, you know, this is like the cream of the crop in glory. 1.00
00:23:33.000 You got that? 0.99
00:23:35.000 Damn it, Jamie. 1.00
00:23:36.000 Jeez. 1.00
00:23:36.000 Here it goes. 1.00
00:23:40.000 God, he's such a long fucking... 0.99
00:23:43.000 It's just like he's built different than everybody else. 0.99
00:23:47.000 It's weird, man.
00:23:48.000 Yeah.
00:23:49.000 Like, the kind of snap that he has in his shots. 0.99
00:23:53.000 Fucking Izzy had him. 1.00
00:23:55.000 Oh, yeah, man. 0.99
00:23:55.000 Ten more seconds in that first... 0.99
00:23:56.000 No, two, three more seconds in that first round. 1.00
00:23:58.000 First round, he was fucked. 1.00
00:23:59.000 He was fucked. 1.00
00:24:00.000 And he was... 1.00
00:24:01.000 Dude...
00:24:02.000 That right hand was perfect.
00:24:03.000 Yeah.
00:24:04.000 There it is.
00:24:04.000 So watch this.
00:24:07.000 So he drops Willis with a head kick.
00:24:11.000 Willis is in trouble. 1.00
00:24:16.000 He just stands there like a fucking killer. 1.00
00:24:18.000 He kicks through his hand. 1.00
00:24:19.000 Oh! 0.60
00:24:22.000 Jesus.
00:24:23.000 That's how he knocked that dude out in the UFC, too.
00:24:26.000 His flying knee is monstrous.
00:24:28.000 He's knocked a bunch of people out with flying knees. 1.00
00:24:29.000 And then he gets on the top of the fucking ropes and screams like a monster. 0.99
00:24:34.000 Listen to the sounds he makes when he screams. 1.00
00:24:38.000 Watch this.
00:24:39.000 That dude is a legitimate ancestor of people that were like tribal folks in Brazil, in the Amazon.
00:24:54.000 He looks like it.
00:24:55.000 He is, man.
00:24:56.000 That's superior genetics, son.
00:25:00.000 Those knees, those long fellas. 1.00
00:25:02.000 Bro, that's some crazy genetics.
00:25:05.000 Yeah, perfect for fighting that style.
00:25:08.000 And the technique, man. 0.99
00:25:09.000 He's fucking technical. 0.99
00:25:10.000 When he was walking down Izzy, when they were like hand fighting and he was checking these kicks, I'm like, this is dangerous in every way. 0.99
00:25:17.000 It's not just dangerous power. 0.99
00:25:19.000 He's fucking sneaky. 0.99
00:25:21.000 He's really technical and creative when he's hitting people. 1.00
00:25:24.000 Yeah, slick.
00:25:25.000 That pressure he was putting on Izzy too, just slow, forward.
00:25:28.000 And he's fighting strange.
00:25:29.000 It's like hands down, straight up, you know, and he moves in on you.
00:25:34.000 And it's just like, it's...
00:25:35.000 So filled with danger.
00:25:37.000 Every step he moves towards guys, you see this recognition of this...
00:25:42.000 It's a different kind of power.
00:25:44.000 I'd be so curious to see him vs.
00:25:46.000 Robert Whittaker.
00:25:47.000 But I feel like he's gonna make Whittaker look tiny.
00:25:51.000 Yeah, but Whittaker's got wrestling.
00:25:52.000 Whittaker's got real wrestling.
00:25:54.000 Yeah, or Marvin. 1.00
00:25:55.000 Marvin's a thick bastard. 1.00
00:25:56.000 Marvin's a big fuck. 1.00
00:25:58.000 Yeah, he is. 1.00
00:25:59.000 He's a big fuck. 1.00
00:26:00.000 You stand at that guy, you're like, how do you make 85? 1.00
00:26:02.000 He's huge. 1.00
00:26:03.000 Yeah, Marvin's a big fuck. 0.99
00:26:04.000 So guys like that, that have good grappling, big, strong guys, that's gonna be interesting. 0.99
00:26:09.000 Because I don't know whether or not he can keep those guys off of him.
00:26:12.000 And also, I don't know...
00:26:14.000 We really don't know what it's like for him to fight five rounds with a grappler.
00:26:19.000 We saw him struggle grappling with Izzy.
00:26:21.000 Perhaps he wasn't prepared because he didn't expect it.
00:26:24.000 But still, he got dominated in one round on the ground by Izzy. 0.81
00:26:29.000 If a real elite grappler gets a hold of them, you know?
00:26:33.000 From what we saw from that little exchange on the ground, I'd assume a guy like Marvin would take his back, choke him.
00:26:42.000 What if he got in there with a guy like Adolfo Vieira?
00:26:45.000 Yeah.
00:26:45.000 What if he got in there with one of those big Brazilian jiu-jitsu, like, jack black belts?
00:26:51.000 God, I can't imagine shooting on that dude, though. 0.87
00:26:54.000 Knowing those knees.
00:26:55.000 Knowing those knees are coming up the middle like that. 1.00
00:26:58.000 Fuck. 1.00
00:26:58.000 Well, especially in the first round when he's fresh, you're not going to get to those hips. 1.00
00:27:04.000 You're going to run into some shit, maybe. 0.99
00:27:06.000 How old is he? 1.00
00:27:06.000 34, I believe. 1.00
00:27:08.000 34?
00:27:09.000 If he wants to fight in his prime, he probably got a couple more in him.
00:27:13.000 A couple more years to be at the elite level.
00:27:16.000 But then you look at Glover, and you're like, how is he doing that?
00:27:20.000 How is he fighting at that level?
00:27:22.000 When he stopped Bohovic and choked him, when he dropped him and took him down, he just ran through him. 0.98
00:27:27.000 Jan Bohovic was the fucking light heavyweight champion, and Glover just ran through him. 0.96
00:27:31.000 Yeah, that was legendary. 0.98
00:27:33.000 41 years old at the time. 0.99
00:27:35.000 Damn, he's that old? 0.99
00:27:36.000 Yeah, bro. 1.00
00:27:37.000 I think he won it at 41. So is he 40?
00:27:39.000 42 now?
00:27:40.000 42 now fighting, what is that, December 10th?
00:27:42.000 December 10th, the rematch.
00:27:44.000 Yeah.
00:27:45.000 42?
00:27:45.000 42. Holy shit.
00:27:47.000 How old's Yuri? 0.99
00:27:49.000 Younger.
00:27:50.000 Much younger.
00:27:51.000 That's crazy.
00:27:52.000 42. It doesn't say, they don't want to tell you on UFC. They don't hide that shit.
00:27:59.000 I would want, I mean, I think it's a selling point, honestly. 1.00
00:28:02.000 Especially for dudes like Mayhor old. 0.98
00:28:04.000 Like, I want to see old dudes go there and fuck people up. 1.00
00:28:07.000 And Glover's just so, and the thing that happened with Glover, too, is his relationship with Alex Bejeda. 0.99
00:28:14.000 Oh, he's only 30?
00:28:14.000 Yuri's only 30. Jesus Christ.
00:28:16.000 That guy's so talented, man.
00:28:18.000 He's super creative.
00:28:20.000 Super weird to watch.
00:28:22.000 But I think what happened was Glover training with Alex, the two of them tighten each other's games up really substantially.
00:28:29.000 You saw like a big leap in Glover once he started training with Alex.
00:28:33.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:28:34.000 And he was like, hey, I'm in the ring with this fucking killer man! 1.00
00:28:38.000 Yeah, that's what happens when you train with fucking killers. 1.00
00:28:41.000 You got to, especially at this level. 1.00
00:28:43.000 If you're just training with fucking turds, give me a fucking turd. 1.00
00:28:48.000 Yeah, there seems to be a real benefit to the struggle of training with someone who could fucking kill you on a regular basis. 1.00
00:28:54.000 You either sink or swim, but if you do swim, those guys who do swim, think about those camps that have a ton of killers. 0.98
00:29:03.000 You know that just like everybody thrives off of everybody.
00:29:06.000 Yeah.
00:29:06.000 You got to just like not destroy each other in training and you can all get through it better.
00:29:11.000 Yeah the sparring.
00:29:12.000 I mean that's just can change someone's career.
00:29:16.000 Just how hard you spar.
00:29:17.000 Yeah.
00:29:18.000 I haven't sparred.
00:29:19.000 I spar in camp like that last fight I sparred I think nine weeks out up to the fight.
00:29:24.000 Are you careful with training partners?
00:29:26.000 Do you have like guys that you know that you could spar with that you'll like legitimately spar and not turn into a fight?
00:29:32.000 Mario Batista. 0.87
00:29:34.000 I know he just fucking smoked that one dude. 0.99
00:29:37.000 Benito Lopez. 0.99
00:29:38.000 I've been training with Mario for probably the last 7-8 years.
00:29:42.000 We were both amateurs at the MMA lab.
00:29:45.000 He's so good at mimicking whoever I'm fighting.
00:29:49.000 He's such a good training partner that it never really turns into an ego match.
00:29:54.000 Then there's a bunch of guys at the MMA lab that are killers, up-and-comers.
00:29:58.000 But Sparring, we turn it up.
00:29:59.000 We gotta go hard.
00:30:01.000 I want that feel, but I also want them to know, hey, if I do get hit, if you rock me at all, don't try to take me out.
00:30:08.000 This is sparring.
00:30:11.000 I'm not getting paid.
00:30:12.000 You're not getting paid.
00:30:13.000 Let's take care of each other.
00:30:14.000 So I always try to take care of my partners, too. 0.97
00:30:16.000 The last thing I want to do is fucking knock one of my partners out.
00:30:19.000 And I've dropped my partners, and I feel so bad just because I know... 0.93
00:30:24.000 How concussions can change people's careers, change their lives outside of fighting. 0.84
00:30:28.000 So my main focus is not knocking my partner out, and I want them to be the same way while turning it up, because I do want to get a good, good fucking look for guys like Peter. 0.83
00:30:40.000 I wanted guys to come after me. 0.97
00:30:41.000 I knew that motherfucker was going to come after me, so I wanted my partners to not be timid. 0.97
00:30:46.000 Sometimes it's hard to find training partners that are going to come after me and not be scared a little bit. 0.98
00:30:51.000 One of the things that I learned from watching fights, and this is important, is that when I watch fights at home, when I just watch them, I don't sometimes know who really won because I'm not totally paying attention.
00:31:08.000 Maybe I get a text message from my friend.
00:31:10.000 Maybe I'm talking to my kid.
00:31:12.000 Maybe the dog comes in the room.
00:31:14.000 Maybe I don't know. 1.00
00:31:15.000 When you watch fights with a group of friends and you're all laughing and talking shit, you barely know what the fuck is going on. 0.98
00:31:20.000 Which leads me to your last fight, because after that fight there was a bunch of people that were saying that was a bad decision, Piotr Jan should have got it. 0.97
00:31:29.000 And I remember being in my green room, I just did a show in London, and we're eating steaks, and we're all talking, we're watching the fight, and we're like, did you think he won?
00:31:37.000 Like, I don't know.
00:31:38.000 I'm like, I'm gonna have to watch that one again.
00:31:40.000 It looked like Piotr took him down a bunch.
00:31:44.000 So there's a perception, and I think some of that perception comes from takedowns.
00:31:48.000 And so then I go back and I just watch it.
00:31:52.000 I just watched the fight with no one in the room but me, and when I was at the gym.
00:31:56.000 And I was like, no, that's not a bad decision.
00:31:59.000 There was one round to you in the beginning, second round to Jan, third round to you.
00:32:05.000 If you look at damage done, you look at overall strikes and impact, you landed more, he definitely took you down.
00:32:14.000 But how much was done with that?
00:32:16.000 That's the thing.
00:32:17.000 It's like, what does that count for?
00:32:20.000 I know there's a sort of subjective element to how that gets regarded and what's good and what's bad, but that was not a bad decision.
00:32:29.000 It was a very fucking close fight, a very good fight.
00:32:33.000 But I felt like for you that was going to be that fight where we'll see. 0.93
00:32:37.000 We'll see how you hang with the cream of the crop, because that guy's the best. 1.00
00:32:42.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00
00:32:43.000 A lot of people that were saying it was a robbery were the same people going into that fight saying I was going to get smoked. 1.00
00:32:48.000 So they fucking hated the fact that it was even close. 0.93
00:32:52.000 But yeah, I rewatched the fight a bunch. 0.99
00:32:55.000 The first round, I feel like, was the round that was controversial. 0.99
00:32:58.000 Some people were saying it should have been 30-27, and those guys are just fucking... 0.99
00:33:02.000 They're hot. 1.00
00:33:02.000 The haters. 1.00
00:33:03.000 Those guys are hot.
00:33:03.000 Because the third round was clearly mine.
00:33:04.000 I cut him bad and hurt him.
00:33:06.000 The second round, he won, but I did drop him.
00:33:09.000 Technically, I dropped him.
00:33:10.000 He cracked me, didn't drop me, but he did more damage on the second round.
00:33:13.000 The first round was the one that was the most up in the air.
00:33:16.000 And when he took me down, I was throwing up omopladas, triangles, arm bars.
00:33:20.000 They weren't necessarily close.
00:33:21.000 They weren't close to submitting him, but he was having to react.
00:33:24.000 He was having to do the defenses to where he wasn't able to strike me, which led me to being able to get up.
00:33:30.000 So, and then when I did get up, I was clearly landing the better shots.
00:33:35.000 But yeah, a lot of people, they just hated the fact that I skipped the entire top 10 and went to the top dog.
00:33:42.000 And, you know, I got to answer a lot of those questions about, you know, cardio.
00:33:47.000 Can I even grapple?
00:33:48.000 Because I hadn't really grappled yet in the UFC. Do I have that dog in me?
00:33:53.000 Do I have heart?
00:33:54.000 I mean, I felt like I showed that when I broke my foot in the Andre Soccer Mom fight five years ago.
00:34:00.000 I was fighting with one foot, and people don't remember those moments.
00:34:04.000 But yeah, I feel like I got to show a lot in that fight.
00:34:07.000 Yeah, oh, you definitely did. 1.00
00:34:09.000 Yeah, but fuck all those people. 1.00
00:34:10.000 Yeah, it doesn't bother me. 1.00
00:34:13.000 It doesn't.
00:34:14.000 We talk about it.
00:34:15.000 I talk about it on the podcast and stuff.
00:34:16.000 I do talk about it because it's being talked about.
00:34:21.000 Well, it's your flamboyant personality. 1.00
00:34:24.000 You talk a lot of shit. 1.00
00:34:25.000 So when people talk a lot of shit, it gets a lot of people to pay attention to them, which is great. 1.00
00:34:29.000 But it also gets a bunch of haters hoping that you get beat up. 0.99
00:34:33.000 That's Floyd's whole way of he made money his whole career. 0.97
00:34:36.000 Connor, I mean, everyone fucking wanted to see him lose.
00:34:39.000 I mean, eventually I'm going to be making them pay-per-view points. 0.96
00:34:41.000 And if people are going to buy to pay me or pay to see me get knocked out, please do.
00:34:46.000 Floyd's a great master at it. 0.97
00:34:47.000 Floyd went from being, like, a really exciting pressure fighter and had a bunch of hand problems to, like, Money Mayweather, started talking shit, just boxing people's faces off. 0.97
00:34:58.000 No more hand problems, much more money. 0.96
00:35:01.000 Yeah, I love what he's doing, too, beating up these YouTube guys.
00:35:03.000 It's great!
00:35:04.000 I love it!
00:35:05.000 It's so funny that these guys are willing to get beat up by him.
00:35:08.000 Well, I think they're all delusional, too.
00:35:10.000 They really think they have a chance.
00:35:12.000 Most of them, I mean, yeah, they really think...
00:35:14.000 I mean, they're like, I could land it.
00:35:16.000 I could land the shot.
00:35:17.000 Isn't that hilarious?
00:35:18.000 If you're not a... 0.99
00:35:19.000 Yeah, it's fucking weird. 0.96
00:35:20.000 I love what he's doing, though. 0.95
00:35:21.000 I mean, I didn't watch his last one.
00:35:24.000 I watched the one with Logan, was the only one I really watched.
00:35:26.000 The Logan one was insane. 1.00
00:35:28.000 I bet Floyd was in there like, what the fuck? 1.00
00:35:31.000 I didn't realize this motherfucker was that big. 1.00
00:35:33.000 He's so big. 1.00
00:35:34.000 Big guy.
00:35:34.000 He's so big.
00:35:35.000 And athletic.
00:35:36.000 Very athletic.
00:35:37.000 And when he was like swinging wild at Floyd, I was like, if one of these gets through, that's a big old Viking fella. 1.00
00:35:45.000 Yeah, I was sitting on the edge of my seat.
00:35:49.000 I like Jake's fights, too.
00:35:51.000 I'll watch those, but it's pretty much the only boxing I watch, like Logan or Jake's fighting.
00:35:56.000 Bro, he dropped Anderson Silva.
00:35:57.000 That was front row for that.
00:35:59.000 He dropped Anderson Silva, no matter what anybody says.
00:36:01.000 Jake Paul dropped Anderson Silva.
00:36:03.000 You gotta stop with all this.
00:36:04.000 He's just a YouTuber.
00:36:06.000 He had a boxing match with Anderson Silva, he won a unanimous decision, and he dropped him.
00:36:10.000 Yeah, it was entertaining.
00:36:11.000 The conversation's over. 0.98
00:36:11.000 It was fucking entertaining, too. 0.98
00:36:12.000 Very entertaining. 0.99
00:36:13.000 It was a good fight.
00:36:13.000 Great boxing match.
00:36:14.000 I submit, and I have before, that if that guy wasn't Jake Paul from YouTube, and he was just an up-and-coming, undefeated boxer who's been knocking out MMA fighters, you would go, wow, this kid is fucking awesome.
00:36:27.000 You would say, look at this up-and-coming boxer who's tricked these MMA guys into boxing with him, and he's knocking them all out.
00:36:34.000 Knocked out Ben Askren, knocked out Tyron Woodley with one punch.
00:36:38.000 That was gross.
00:36:38.000 Anybody that doesn't think he's legit after that, you're delusional.
00:36:41.000 You're delusional.
00:36:42.000 Yeah.
00:36:43.000 But he's doing it too.
00:36:44.000 He's getting people to hate him.
00:36:45.000 Yeah, so I'm so curious.
00:36:47.000 And I'm glad they're doing it. 0.89
00:36:48.000 I fucking love it. 0.95
00:36:49.000 I'm so curious what's next for Jake Paul. 0.98
00:36:51.000 I love to wait for the anticipation.
00:36:53.000 I know the Nate Diaz thing's kind of looming there, but...
00:36:57.000 Imagine if he wins a world title.
00:36:59.000 Like what if he does this for five or six more years and wins a world title?
00:37:03.000 He's improving, clearly improving fast too.
00:37:06.000 From that last fight to the Anderson Silva fight, improved a lot.
00:37:10.000 Yeah.
00:37:10.000 He went through a full fight camp.
00:37:11.000 He was supposed to fight that Top Ramen Jr. Fucking whatever the guy's name was. 0.99
00:37:15.000 He was supposed to fight him going through fight camps. 0.99
00:37:16.000 Top Ramen Jr.?
00:37:17.000 I don't remember his name.
00:37:18.000 Something like that.
00:37:20.000 Rachman?
00:37:21.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:37:22.000 Hasim Rahman's son.
00:37:23.000 I don't know where I got Top Roman from.
00:37:28.000 He improved a lot from going into that fight camp.
00:37:32.000 Supposed to fight, that guy didn't.
00:37:33.000 But you could tell.
00:37:34.000 Dude's in the gym.
00:37:35.000 He's training.
00:37:36.000 He's doing big things.
00:37:37.000 So yeah, I'm excited to see what's next for him.
00:37:41.000 Yeah, it's interesting because he's kind of sort of taken over the sport of boxing in a way.
00:37:48.000 Like, he gets as much attention and as much press as any of these world—like, Ryan Davis just signed on to fight Javante—Javante Davis just signed on to fight Ryan Garcia.
00:37:59.000 That is official, is it?
00:38:00.000 Yes. 1.00
00:38:00.000 Oh, shit, okay. 1.00
00:38:01.000 That's happening in February. 1.00
00:38:03.000 That's a big fight.
00:38:04.000 I'll tune into that one.
00:38:05.000 But like, how come we didn't get Errol Spence vs.
00:38:08.000 Terence Crawford?
00:38:08.000 Why didn't we get that fight?
00:38:10.000 That was supposed to happen.
00:38:12.000 That was in negotiation.
00:38:13.000 With boxing, there's certain fights that just don't get made.
00:38:17.000 And it's so frustrating. 0.98
00:38:20.000 Is it different organizations having owned those different fighters and shit? 0.97
00:38:23.000 I guess it's probably a factor, different promoters, it's probably a factor, but it's also like, I think fighters probably want the best deal for themselves, and they're holding out negotiations, and who fucking knows? 0.99
00:38:35.000 But it's just like, that was one where I was like, damn. 0.96
00:38:39.000 Like, how did we not get that fight? 0.98
00:38:41.000 That was a great fight.
00:38:43.000 That's a who-knows-who-wins fight.
00:38:45.000 Those are the ones you want.
00:38:48.000 I mean, how old are they?
00:38:50.000 I think Terence Crawford is older.
00:38:53.000 Oh, okay.
00:38:53.000 I think he's in his 30s.
00:38:54.000 He might be 34. Like a Floyd Manny thing where you get it too late?
00:38:58.000 Yeah, man, you don't want that.
00:39:00.000 Because Crawford is like one of the best switch hitters of all time. 0.99
00:39:03.000 He's a fucking wizard in there. 0.98
00:39:05.000 God, and I'm not even very familiar with those guys. 0.99
00:39:08.000 I've heard of their names, but I'm not familiar with them.
00:39:09.000 So you don't watch boxing?
00:39:10.000 No.
00:39:11.000 I watched Logan and Jake Bucks.
00:39:13.000 That's hilarious!
00:39:15.000 He's 35. Terrence Crawford is getting up there.
00:39:21.000 I wanted to ask you what you think about the power slapping too. 0.99
00:39:25.000 When I was thinking about it, I was like, I'm going to probably come on here and if it gets brought up, talk just absolute shit about it because I don't fucking... 0.98
00:39:32.000 But then I sat... 0.99
00:39:32.000 I had a meeting with UFC yesterday. 0.99
00:39:34.000 And I sat down with Dana.
00:39:35.000 No cameras, nothing.
00:39:37.000 Just sat down and talked to me.
00:39:38.000 And he was getting so fired up about the power slapping and so passionate about it that it made me almost kind of want to watch it.
00:39:46.000 Because he announced his thing and everything.
00:39:47.000 And I was like... 0.98
00:39:48.000 He's like, they don't have to fucking do it. 0.99
00:39:50.000 Because my whole thing is concussions. 0.99
00:39:52.000 I don't want to fucking watch people just get... 0.99
00:39:54.000 They choose to do it. 0.99
00:39:55.000 I'm like, well, fair point.
00:39:56.000 But I just can't imagine...
00:39:59.000 Oh, God.
00:40:00.000 Listen, man.
00:40:02.000 I love Dana and I would be a hypocrite if I said I wouldn't watch this because I will watch it.
00:40:09.000 But this is not my cup of tea.
00:40:13.000 What I like is problem-solving.
00:40:15.000 I like puzzles.
00:40:17.000 I like you and Jan. 0.99
00:40:18.000 I like this fucking Russian assassin storming the gates at you and you figuring a way to move around him and kick his legs and jab at him and That's what I like. 1.00
00:40:28.000 I love that fight. 1.00
00:40:30.000 I love that fight.
00:40:31.000 I love technique.
00:40:32.000 Like, it was sad to watch Frankie Edgar get knocked out this weekend. 1.00
00:40:36.000 It was sad. 0.99
00:40:37.000 But goddamn, Chris Gutierrez is good. 0.99
00:40:40.000 Yeah, slick. 1.00
00:40:41.000 Goddamn, he's slick. 0.99
00:40:43.000 He's so... 0.98
00:40:44.000 The way he moves is so nice.
00:40:47.000 Yeah, I watched that.
00:40:49.000 It was very good.
00:40:50.000 He has like a similar style to mine as far as like dancing up against a cage and like throw similar shots.
00:40:55.000 I think we probably have similar builds, but yeah, I did not like that fight for Frankie. 1.00
00:40:59.000 I did not like it either.
00:41:00.000 I'm not allowed to bet on fights now, that whole new thing.
00:41:03.000 What is that?
00:41:03.000 I don't like that.
00:41:05.000 I don't have any inside information. 1.00
00:41:06.000 I want a guy like you who bets his whole fucking purse on winning. 1.00
00:41:09.000 Yeah, and betting on yourself. 1.00
00:41:12.000 Why?
00:41:13.000 So weird.
00:41:14.000 Why can't a UFC fight?
00:41:15.000 It's bad optics, they say.
00:41:17.000 I would have bet Frankie.
00:41:18.000 I mean, I looked at Chris Gutierrez and I look at Frankie.
00:41:21.000 I'm like, Chris is going to probably knock him out.
00:41:25.000 That's what I was thinking, and I would have put money on it.
00:41:27.000 And these kids were in the crowd for the first time.
00:41:29.000 And they panned to him in the beginning of the fight.
00:41:31.000 That was their first time?
00:41:33.000 Yes, their first time seeing him fight live.
00:41:35.000 And it's the end because it's his last fight. 0.99
00:41:38.000 Yeah, that fucking hurts. 1.00
00:41:39.000 Look, the guy's a fucking warrior. 1.00
00:41:40.000 You can't tell him don't do that. 1.00
00:41:43.000 Absolutely. 0.99
00:41:43.000 But goddamn, as far as matchups go, Gutierrez is one of those guys that everybody who watches fights knows he's fucking dangerous, like a top level. 0.99
00:41:52.000 But he doesn't have the shine yet. 0.99
00:41:54.000 Yeah.
00:41:54.000 For whatever reason.
00:41:55.000 Yeah.
00:41:55.000 Maybe this fight will change that.
00:41:58.000 Obviously it's gonna change if everybody remembers.
00:42:00.000 But it's like there's so many fights and so many KOs.
00:42:02.000 Like in that card, 15 fights, I think we had the most first round stoppages ever.
00:42:07.000 Like seven or eight?
00:42:08.000 It was nuts.
00:42:09.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:42:09.000 And fucking Ryan Spann. 1.00
00:42:12.000 Holy shit, dude. 1.00
00:42:14.000 A jab. 1.00
00:42:14.000 Holy shit is he good. 1.00
00:42:16.000 That's a scary dude. 0.99
00:42:16.000 When he said, this is the first fight I trained for. 0.99
00:42:19.000 Like what?
00:42:22.000 What?
00:42:23.000 How old is he?
00:42:25.000 31? 1.00
00:42:26.000 Damn, you're on top of that shit. 1.00
00:42:27.000 Yeah, 31. Dude, that guy's a nightmare. 1.00
00:42:31.000 Is he ranked?
00:42:32.000 I mean, it should be now because I think Dominic Reyes was ranked.
00:42:36.000 I think Dominic was like 5 or 6 or something like that.
00:42:39.000 I think he's 0-4.
00:42:41.000 Those last few fights were rough, dude.
00:42:43.000 The Jon Jones fight was rough, right?
00:42:46.000 And then he goes right from that to Yuri.
00:42:49.000 And Yuri nukes people.
00:42:50.000 Yeah. 0.96
00:42:51.000 When he kicked his body and left this giant red footprint on his body, I was like, how fucking hard does that dude hit? 0.88
00:42:59.000 Rise fan number 10 now? 0.77
00:43:01.000 Number 10 now.
00:43:02.000 Yeah, that's legit, man.
00:43:04.000 There's a few of those guys in that division, man. 0.99
00:43:07.000 Nikita Krylov, the way he took out Gustafson, I was like, holy shit. 0.96
00:43:12.000 Did something happen to him recently? 0.98
00:43:14.000 I'm not sure.
00:43:15.000 Yeah.
00:43:16.000 Why do I feel like he got injured?
00:43:21.000 That's a scary division right there. 0.99
00:43:22.000 Fucking terrifying. 0.99
00:43:24.000 Terrifying division. 1.00
00:43:25.000 They're all heavyweights.
00:43:26.000 Every one of them is a heavyweight. 1.00
00:43:27.000 Yeah, fuck that. 1.00
00:43:28.000 I'm so glad I'm not a big guy. 1.00
00:43:30.000 Like, Bantamweight.
00:43:31.000 There's still some scary guys at Bantamweight.
00:43:33.000 Well, you have a great frame for Bantamweight, though.
00:43:35.000 If you can continue to make 35, that reach is such a nice thing to have.
00:43:40.000 Yeah.
00:43:40.000 I know Chael always says, reach advantage is not advantage.
00:43:43.000 I'm like, it is.
00:43:45.000 Reach advantage is an advantage.
00:43:47.000 It's an advantage.
00:43:48.000 Look at Jon Jones.
00:43:49.000 Yeah.
00:43:50.000 When you have the reach advantage and strength, like Jon Jones has reach advantage and ridiculous strength in wrestling.
00:43:57.000 He's got the best combination of assets.
00:43:59.000 Like distance management, he might not have the same kind of one-punch power that some of those guys have, but he fucks up everybody.
00:44:08.000 And his distance management is the best ever.
00:44:11.000 In that division, he's so good at just keeping right away, stabbing at your legs, the elliptical kick or the oblique kick.
00:44:20.000 And then the sidekick to the knee?
00:44:21.000 I love that one.
00:44:23.000 Elliptical kick.
00:44:23.000 Where's my brain?
00:44:25.000 Weed stole that word from him.
00:44:27.000 Elliptical kick?
00:44:28.000 Gus is out for his next fight, if that's what you were thinking.
00:44:30.000 Oh, that's what it was.
00:44:31.000 That's what it was.
00:44:32.000 Yeah, because Gus was supposed to...
00:44:33.000 That was going to be his rebound fight.
00:44:35.000 Oh, because he retired, right?
00:44:36.000 He was going to come back?
00:44:38.000 Yeah, he was going to retire after that last KO. Because Krylov just stormed at him in the first round and took him out.
00:44:46.000 I couldn't believe he fought that way.
00:44:47.000 He generally fights pretty reserved.
00:44:50.000 But in that fight, he just went do or die.
00:44:52.000 He's out.
00:44:53.000 Oh, OSP. Fucking OSP Von Flu. 1.00
00:44:59.000 I remember his fight against, was it Glover that he uppercutted? 0.99
00:45:04.000 Or who was it?
00:45:05.000 It's a no official.
00:45:06.000 Yeah, Glover.
00:45:07.000 He uppercutted Glover.
00:45:08.000 That was slick boxing.
00:45:09.000 The last ten seconds of that slides off. 1.00
00:45:12.000 Video game shit. 1.00
00:45:13.000 Video game shit. 1.00
00:45:14.000 That was Gustafson in his best. 0.99
00:45:16.000 That and the Jon Jones fight.
00:45:17.000 I remember the Jon Jones fight, the first one.
00:45:19.000 When John didn't train, you know, that's how you see the difference, because look at the second fight.
00:45:25.000 They have a second fight, and John, well...
00:45:26.000 Did he take him down?
00:45:27.000 But you have to also say, the second fight, was that before or after Gustafson fought Rumble?
00:45:35.000 Oh, that's a good question.
00:45:36.000 Rest in peace, Rumble.
00:45:38.000 Rumble passed away this week.
00:45:40.000 Apparently he had some form of, I think it was like non-Hodgkin's lymphoma or something along those lines.
00:45:47.000 Yeah.
00:45:48.000 I don't know if that's public.
00:45:49.000 We should find out if that's public knowledge.
00:45:51.000 I think it was.
00:45:52.000 I think I read that.
00:45:52.000 I couldn't pronounce the words and that sounds like it was.
00:45:54.000 Yeah, I shouldn't say it if it wasn't public knowledge.
00:45:56.000 If it's not public knowledge, we should edit it out.
00:46:00.000 I'm almost positive.
00:46:01.000 I just read that in an article the other day.
00:46:02.000 But yeah, that was great.
00:46:04.000 38 years old, man.
00:46:05.000 I did the UFC quintet with him.
00:46:07.000 It was me, Clay Guida, him, Gilbert Burns, Anthony Smith.
00:46:12.000 But yeah, that was my only really interaction with him. 0.98
00:46:15.000 Fucking good dude. 0.99
00:46:17.000 Yeah, non-conscious lymphoma. 0.99
00:46:19.000 A rare immune disorder called HLH. Yeah.
00:46:25.000 Horrible.
00:46:25.000 38. Such a nice guy.
00:46:27.000 And the biggest welterweight that's ever walked the face of that.
00:46:31.000 Welterweight?
00:46:32.000 When he was a welterweight? 1.00
00:46:33.000 I know, that's fucked. 0.97
00:46:34.000 Dude, I saw him in between fights once, and I go, Anthony, how big are you? 0.99
00:46:39.000 And he goes, 230 pounds?
00:46:40.000 230? 1.00
00:46:42.000 What the fuck? 1.00
00:46:43.000 He walked in looking like a Greek god. 1.00
00:46:47.000 He was so gigantic.
00:46:48.000 He wasn't fat at all.
00:46:50.000 How do you get that little?
00:46:52.000 How do you make 170?
00:46:53.000 He was gigantic.
00:46:55.000 He always had issues making 170 though, right?
00:46:57.000 Oh yeah, well he missed it a bunch of times and then he fought Vitor at 85. Rumble was like this guy that you never knew what you were gonna get.
00:47:07.000 If he was like Ready to go and in shape and prepared.
00:47:15.000 Jesus.
00:47:16.000 He could be one of the most dangerous guys of all time.
00:47:19.000 Yeah.
00:47:19.000 But he was kind of, at least early on in his career, inconsistent until he moved up in weight.
00:47:24.000 Then when he moved up in weight, look what he did in the light heavyweight division.
00:47:27.000 I maintain that most of what was holding him back was just the dread of making that weight.
00:47:33.000 It was just dread.
00:47:34.000 The guy goes up two weight classes and is knocking out everybody with one punch at light heavyweight.
00:47:40.000 Yeah.
00:47:40.000 170 should have never been.
00:47:42.000 Imagine that!
00:47:43.000 Inside of his career, he's fighting 35 pounds up and destroying people.
00:47:49.000 Knocking out Glover with one punch.
00:47:52.000 Knocks out Gustafson. 1.00
00:47:53.000 Bro, he fucked everybody up except DC. Yeah. 0.99
00:47:56.000 DC just used his wrestling.
00:47:58.000 He fought DC twice, right?
00:47:59.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:48:00.000 God, I bet DC was like, God damn it, I don't want to fight this motherfucker again, dude! 1.00
00:48:03.000 He's so dangerous! 1.00
00:48:05.000 Rumble's so dangerous.
00:48:07.000 That's a scary, yeah.
00:48:08.000 He was so dangerous.
00:48:10.000 He had power that was...
00:48:11.000 I remember when he hit Glover, I was like...
00:48:14.000 Didn't his tooth go flying?
00:48:15.000 Was that Glover's tooth?
00:48:17.000 He made somebody's tooth go flying.
00:48:19.000 I don't know if it was Glover's.
00:48:20.000 It was that uppercut. 0.98
00:48:21.000 Goddamn, he was a powerhouse. 1.00
00:48:24.000 Possessing that fucking power in his hands. 1.00
00:48:26.000 Because he doesn't need to be like... 1.00
00:48:28.000 Oh, it is Glover's tooth.
00:48:30.000 Because he doesn't need to really be accurate either.
00:48:32.000 He can hit you anywhere in the head and that's night-night.
00:48:34.000 Bro, he could hit your shoulders and you'd be dizzy. 0.89
00:48:36.000 It might get knocked out.
00:48:37.000 It's crazy, he just had that preposterous power.
00:48:41.000 Yeah, that...
00:48:41.000 Watch this uppercut.
00:48:44.000 Dink.
00:48:45.000 Oh, that was like...
00:48:46.000 Crazy.
00:48:47.000 Like a thud. 0.68
00:48:48.000 That's rumble, man.
00:48:49.000 That's why everybody was scared of rumble.
00:48:51.000 His tooth.
00:48:53.000 Yeah.
00:48:54.000 Yeah.
00:48:54.000 Oh, oh.
00:48:55.000 He woke up.
00:48:57.000 He woke up. 0.99
00:48:58.000 Didn't know what the fuck happened. 0.99
00:48:59.000 No one counted my takedown on Peter at two points. 0.98
00:49:01.000 I think that was two.
00:49:02.000 A little takedown at the end of the first.
00:49:03.000 I think it was a takedown.
00:49:05.000 Did his knees go to the ground?
00:49:06.000 Oh yeah.
00:49:06.000 DC gets mad when they don't give up takedowns.
00:49:09.000 Unless it's me.
00:49:10.000 Colby Covington.
00:49:12.000 When Colby Covington fought Camaro, he took him down.
00:49:15.000 And DC was like, that's two!
00:49:17.000 That's two!
00:49:18.000 You gotta give it to him.
00:49:20.000 It's a takedown. 0.97
00:49:21.000 So until Leon took him down the first round, which was fucking wild. 0.97
00:49:25.000 Right in the mount? 0.99
00:49:26.000 Wild.
00:49:27.000 Mounted him.
00:49:28.000 Yeah.
00:49:28.000 Yeah, no one had actually officially taken down Kamaru.
00:49:32.000 Yeah.
00:49:32.000 That fight was insane.
00:49:33.000 Dude, that was insane. 0.99
00:49:35.000 And then Kamaru coming on hereafter and just fucking champ. 0.99
00:49:38.000 Pure class. 0.98
00:49:38.000 Humble champ. 0.98
00:49:40.000 Pure class.
00:49:40.000 Pure class.
00:49:41.000 Good outlook on it. 0.99
00:49:42.000 He was winning the fight, got caught with a fucking head kick from one of the best guys in the world. 0.99
00:49:46.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:49:46.000 It is what it is. 1.00
00:49:47.000 That's the game you play. 1.00
00:49:48.000 Fuck, that was crazy though. 1.00
00:49:51.000 It was crazy. 1.00
00:49:51.000 And then Izzy losing in the fifth too. 1.00
00:49:53.000 Both pound for pound guys.
00:49:54.000 And right when it was about to happen, John Anik actually set it up.
00:50:01.000 He said about that he could coast here, but that's not what he's made of.
00:50:07.000 For Camaro?
00:50:09.000 I think it was like that he could...
00:50:10.000 No, I think it was like not quitting.
00:50:13.000 I think he was talking about Leon.
00:50:14.000 See if you can find it.
00:50:16.000 I don't want to fuck it up. 0.98
00:50:18.000 I already fucked it up. 0.94
00:50:18.000 But it was like... 0.94
00:50:20.000 There was a quote that he said right before Leon knocked him out.
00:50:25.000 It was like he was kind of setting up that Leon's not going to quit.
00:50:28.000 Yeah, prophetic call and the greatest knockout call in UFC history.
00:50:32.000 Yeah, there it is.
00:50:33.000 We'll hear it here.
00:50:34.000 John Anik's the best of all time. 0.98
00:50:36.000 He's so fucking good. 0.96
00:50:39.000 Minute 12. Oh god. 0.99
00:50:43.000 Low kick, setting it up already, throws that little low kick. 0.99
00:50:46.000 You see how he's feinting that left leg, trying to get a reaction out of him?
00:50:52.000 Nothing, no reaction.
00:50:53.000 That is not the cloth from which he was cut.
00:50:56.000 Bam! 0.98
00:50:56.000 And then the knockout. 0.98
00:50:57.000 It's the perfect call.
00:50:59.000 It's the greatest call ever.
00:51:00.000 But that is not the cloth from which he is cut and then a perfect head kick.
00:51:05.000 Bro, that's Shakespeare.
00:51:07.000 Yeah, that's beautiful.
00:51:08.000 That's Shakespeare!
00:51:09.000 That gave me goosebumps.
00:51:12.000 That is not the cloth from which he is cut.
00:51:16.000 It's the greatest call of all time.
00:51:18.000 It's the greatest call of all time.
00:51:20.000 Yeah, John Anik's a legend, dude.
00:51:21.000 But that's the greatest call of all time, right there.
00:51:24.000 Yeah.
00:51:25.000 I mean, it doesn't get any better.
00:51:27.000 Every now and then, like, the words and the moment line up, and you're like, that's the greatest call.
00:51:31.000 That's goosebumps.
00:51:32.000 One of the wildest head kick knockouts.
00:51:34.000 I think the most important head kick knockout ever.
00:51:36.000 Ever.
00:51:37.000 Ever.
00:51:37.000 Yeah, it has to be.
00:51:38.000 And the most shocking...
00:51:40.000 Where he just lands it with a minute to go in the fight?
00:51:44.000 With a fight where he's clearly losing? 1.00
00:51:46.000 Holy shit! 1.00
00:51:47.000 And there's this pound for pound headshot dead. 1.00
00:51:48.000 I was like, oh shit! 1.00
00:51:51.000 It was crazy too, because that was in Utah at Elevation. 0.99
00:51:55.000 Kamaru trains in Denver at Elevation. 0.91
00:51:57.000 And Leon to go five rounds was getting grappled and to be able to pull that off smooth still was so fucking impressive. 0.92
00:52:05.000 He's so technical, man. 0.91
00:52:07.000 His feet, he's so good.
00:52:08.000 There's some video of him hitting the pads and it makes you want to quit karate.
00:52:13.000 Really? 1.00
00:52:14.000 Watch this motherfucker hit the pads. 1.00
00:52:15.000 See, find, like, Leon Edwards hitting the pads. 1.00
00:52:18.000 I've never seen him, like, do the elbows and shit. 0.99
00:52:20.000 Dude, he's so smooth and powerful, man. 0.98
00:52:23.000 Yeah, I stood...
00:52:24.000 Yeah, that's...
00:52:25.000 Give me some volume on this.
00:52:26.000 He's a big guy, too.
00:52:29.000 Woo! 0.99
00:52:33.000 Bro, that is fucking clean. 0.99
00:52:35.000 Speed and power mixed right there. 0.99
00:52:37.000 Clean technique too.
00:52:39.000 It's like total efficiency in the way he's delivering that kick.
00:52:43.000 Every move as he steps in with those elbows.
00:52:48.000 That's going to be a massive rematch.
00:52:52.000 Is that the one that's in London?
00:52:55.000 And what Leon loves too is that he did all of this out of his gym in England.
00:53:01.000 He didn't have to move to America and join ATT or join one of the big gyms.
00:53:08.000 He did it Out of his town. 0.99
00:53:11.000 That's fucking impressive. 1.00
00:53:12.000 That's fucking impressive. 1.00
00:53:13.000 I couldn't have done that in Montana. 0.99
00:53:16.000 I could have done that in Montana.
00:53:17.000 Bro, you'd be able to...
00:53:18.000 But look at this.
00:53:19.000 Some guys that could pull that off somehow or another.
00:53:22.000 Yeah, no, it's impressive.
00:53:24.000 But there's some... 0.98
00:53:24.000 Yeah, sometimes you just gotta fucking leave. 0.98
00:53:26.000 So those kids listening to this right now at a shitty gym, you gotta leave. 0.99
00:53:29.000 Sometimes you have to leave. 0.95
00:53:31.000 Pretty much everyone...
00:53:32.000 Like, Jon Jones had to leave.
00:53:33.000 Yeah.
00:53:34.000 A lot of guys have stories that, you know, they leave...
00:53:37.000 Joaquin Buckley was here last week.
00:53:39.000 He said he had to leave too.
00:53:40.000 He had an original gym he started out with.
00:53:42.000 He's like, okay.
00:53:43.000 You can only get so good if a coach is only at a certain level.
00:53:48.000 The training partners and stuff.
00:53:51.000 Go into a big gym.
00:53:53.000 Maybe not a big gym, but just a gym with some decent coaches.
00:53:58.000 For the most part, you've got to look for something better.
00:54:01.000 Do you think that there's any benefit to having a smaller environment where the coaches are really paying attention to you versus a large environment where you're at like an ATT or something like that?
00:54:15.000 They got hundreds of fighters, right?
00:54:17.000 Like where you kind of get lost in the mix?
00:54:19.000 Dude, my last probably four or five years, like I do all my sparring at the MMA lab. 0.98
00:54:24.000 They have a fucking great team over there. 0.95
00:54:26.000 Like they have a great schedule. 1.00
00:54:28.000 Their Monday through Saturday schedule is great.
00:54:31.000 But for me, once I started getting into the UFC, I was like...
00:54:34.000 I need that one-on-one.
00:54:37.000 I need my personal strength and conditioning coach, Brandon Harris.
00:54:40.000 I need my own guy.
00:54:41.000 Jiu-Jitsu coach Augusto Mendez, 180cc in 2019, in my weight class, best grappler in the world.
00:54:49.000 And then Tim's kind of the head coach, holds mitts, sets up the sparring.
00:54:53.000 So I still go to the lab to spar, but I bounce around and it's more of a boxing approach.
00:54:59.000 It's like you've got the whole team dialed in, focused on me.
00:55:04.000 Just like your mindset, right?
00:55:05.000 Like all these things improve with time, right?
00:55:07.000 Yep.
00:55:08.000 And now you've really got it totally dialed in.
00:55:10.000 Yeah, it's crazy to think about all the things that just worked out, like how I met Tim, then I moved to Arizona, then I meet Brandon Harris for the strength and conditioning, and that completely changed my career.
00:55:21.000 I wasn't lifting, and if I was lifting, I wasn't lifting properly.
00:55:24.000 And it's not even lifting to just get super strong, but just to not get injured.
00:55:28.000 Just building that muscle around those joints and just I haven't gotten seriously injured since I started working with Brandon, and I think that's a huge reason why, just from lifting correctly.
00:55:40.000 What kind of exercises does he have you doing?
00:55:44.000 It's not like...
00:55:49.000 The nice thing about it is I don't have to think about it.
00:55:52.000 I go in there and I just put all my trust in him.
00:55:54.000 Here's my strength.
00:55:56.000 Most of the conditioning is the sparring, is the mitts, is the grappling. 0.99
00:56:01.000 And then I do like treadmills, sprints and shit too. 0.99
00:56:03.000 But the thing with him is I don't go in there and his main goal isn't to just fuck me up. 0.99
00:56:07.000 It's not make me sore. 0.96
00:56:09.000 He does what I'm not getting in the gym.
00:56:14.000 So we'll do some stuff with lower heart rate stuff.
00:56:18.000 And I know you had someone on here talking about how important that is just for longevity, but just for getting in shape to having the zone two workouts for 45 minutes and stuff like that.
00:56:29.000 But as far as lifting...
00:56:32.000 We'll do the deadlifts and the bench press, and we'll do normal lifts, just in perfect technique.
00:56:39.000 I'm not hurting my back.
00:56:40.000 I'm not trying to lift way too much.
00:56:43.000 Are you doing deadlifts, squats, clean press?
00:56:46.000 I don't really do squats, no clean press, deadlifts.
00:56:51.000 We'll do... 0.99
00:56:52.000 I fucking feel like an idiot thinking about what lifts we do right now. 0.99
00:56:55.000 So you're doing... 1.00
00:56:55.000 But is his approach like higher repetitions with lighter weight? 1.00
00:57:00.000 Depending on where we're at in camp.
00:57:03.000 It changes from...
00:57:05.000 We'll do like four weeks of this, four weeks of this, four weeks of this.
00:57:09.000 And further out, we'll do power.
00:57:10.000 Really building that strength.
00:57:12.000 Especially like I'm going to go fight a guy like Aljo or Henry. 0.98
00:57:15.000 I'm going to be fucking grappling. 0.99
00:57:16.000 I need to be strong. 0.99
00:57:17.000 I need to be able to deadlift...
00:57:20.000 Jack up some underhooks and be able to focus on...
00:57:23.000 It depends.
00:57:24.000 When I was fighting Peter, I didn't really plan on grappling too much.
00:57:27.000 I was planning on being way faster on my feet, not really lifting as much, being a little bit lighter.
00:57:32.000 So it depends on who we're fighting.
00:57:34.000 I'm going to fight one of these guys next and I want to be strong. 0.98
00:57:37.000 I want to make sure we're hitting those deadlifts and being really fucking strong. 0.97
00:57:42.000 So yeah, it depends. 0.73
00:57:43.000 And if we do like a 12-week fight camp, the first four weeks will be whatever, and then the next four weeks, and then the next four weeks.
00:57:50.000 Like, I don't even really pay attention. 0.99
00:57:52.000 I just go in, trust him, do it, and fucking, yeah. 0.98
00:57:56.000 Do you anticipate that Henry is going to jump back into the mix? 0.99
00:58:00.000 Do you think that's real?
00:58:01.000 That's a great question.
00:58:03.000 I've been saying no for a long time, but I do think the closer it gets, I think he is.
00:58:09.000 I think he's going to come back.
00:58:10.000 I know he's a two-time world champ, Olympic gold medalist.
00:58:14.000 If he's going to come back, he's got to come back soon.
00:58:17.000 What is he now, 35 maybe?
00:58:19.000 That's a good question.
00:58:20.000 How old is Henry Cejudo?
00:58:22.000 This is like a...
00:58:22.000 What age is he?
00:58:24.000 Yeah, no kidding.
00:58:25.000 He's 35?
00:58:26.000 36, like two months.
00:58:27.000 Oh, wow.
00:58:28.000 He's got it now.
00:58:29.000 Yeah, he's got it now.
00:58:30.000 At that age, in that weight class, it gets tough.
00:58:33.000 There's some outliers, right?
00:58:34.000 Like, Mighty Mouse seems to be an outlier.
00:58:36.000 He's as good as he's ever been.
00:58:37.000 He's wild.
00:58:38.000 You know?
00:58:39.000 I've been watching him over in one FC. I watched that last time.
00:58:42.000 He's as good as he's ever been.
00:58:43.000 Yeah.
00:58:43.000 He's a wizard.
00:58:44.000 But Henry vs.
00:58:45.000 Aljo, I think, if I had to guess, if that's gonna happen, it's gonna happen early next year.
00:58:51.000 I wonder if that...
00:58:53.000 How much do you think Cejudo is super talented?
00:58:58.000 Yeah.
00:58:59.000 Obviously.
00:58:59.000 Two-division world champion.
00:59:02.000 But how much does that sell?
00:59:04.000 Is that a big fight?
00:59:06.000 For Alger or me?
00:59:07.000 For anybody. 0.94
00:59:09.000 It should be, but it's not because it's Henry, and for whatever reason, some people are fucking likable, some people are superstars, and he's just not. 0.98
00:59:19.000 I mean, I'm not acting like I'm talking shit, he's just really not a superstar. 0.95
00:59:22.000 He's a two-time world champion. 0.97
00:59:24.000 He's got like a less than a million followers on Instagram, which is crazy.
00:59:27.000 Two-time world champ.
00:59:29.000 That was Conor's whole thing. 0.97
00:59:31.000 That's why he was so fucking massive. 0.96
00:59:33.000 I'm not saying this is a diss. 0.97
00:59:34.000 I'm a Henry Cejudo fan because I never understood why Mighty Mouse didn't get famous.
00:59:37.000 Nice to meet you. 0.99
00:59:38.000 I never met a fucking Henry Cejudo fan. 0.98
00:59:39.000 I'm a fan of the way he fights. 0.99
00:59:41.000 He's very skilled.
00:59:43.000 The way he took out Dominic?
00:59:44.000 Very skilled. 1.00
00:59:45.000 He's a fucking animal, dude. 1.00
00:59:46.000 The way he took out TJ. Henry Cejudo's a beast. 1.00
00:59:49.000 He is a beast. 1.00
00:59:49.000 He's a beast. 1.00
00:59:50.000 I know he talks a lot of shit, but... 1.00
00:59:53.000 And it's not good shit. 1.00
00:59:54.000 That's the thing. 1.00
00:59:55.000 You can talk shit as long as it's good. 0.99
00:59:57.000 But him versus Alja... 1.00
00:59:58.000 Is that thing...
00:59:58.000 Here, if you do it like this, it'll tighten it up.
01:00:00.000 Oh, no.
01:00:01.000 This button right here.
01:00:02.000 It's wiggling around.
01:00:02.000 That's why you're having a problem with it down here.
01:00:05.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
01:00:07.000 Henry vs. 1.00
01:00:08.000 Aljo, I think it's a pretty big fight though.
01:00:09.000 It's a very big fight.
01:00:10.000 It's not going to do crazy numbers.
01:00:12.000 It's not going to be a main event.
01:00:13.000 If I had to guess, it would be a Cobain.
01:00:14.000 But it's a difficult fight, and it might not be a big fight. 0.99
01:00:19.000 Yeah, that sucks. 0.99
01:00:20.000 Which sucks. 0.99
01:00:21.000 It's kind of crazy because you could lose to Henry. 0.99
01:00:24.000 Henry's a monster wrestler.
01:00:25.000 And Aljo's strength is, you know, he's clearly well-rounded, but his strength is his grappling.
01:00:31.000 God, see, it's an interesting fight.
01:00:33.000 Very, very.
01:00:34.000 Very, very.
01:00:34.000 Yeah, I bet me versus Aljo would be a main event.
01:00:38.000 I think Henry versus Aljo would be a co-main event on a card.
01:00:40.000 Ooh, shots fired.
01:00:42.000 Shots fired.
01:00:43.000 I think that's just...
01:00:45.000 He's going to have a crown on in his next video on Instagram. 1.00
01:00:47.000 He's going to be talking shit about you. 0.99
01:00:49.000 Yeah, 75 likes. 1.00
01:00:51.000 I've looked at his Instagram. 0.99
01:00:52.000 It's pathetic. 1.00
01:00:53.000 I was like, what the fuck? 1.00
01:00:53.000 How does he have this less of likes? 1.00
01:00:56.000 It's unfortunate that people don't appreciate what he's accomplished.
01:00:59.000 It's like, the flyweight class just never got the shine.
01:01:03.000 Yeah.
01:01:03.000 I mean, it still doesn't really.
01:01:04.000 Still doesn't get the shine. 0.89
01:01:05.000 Brandon Marino and Davidson figure 803 is gonna be fucking insane. 0.96
01:01:09.000 Four. 0.98
01:01:09.000 That's right. 0.98
01:01:10.000 Four.
01:01:10.000 That's right.
01:01:11.000 Four.
01:01:11.000 Oh my god.
01:01:12.000 Yeah, that's crazy.
01:01:14.000 Bro.
01:01:14.000 Kaikara France.
01:01:15.000 I mean, that division's filled with killers. 0.98
01:01:17.000 Filled with killers.
01:01:18.000 The reason Henry left was money.
01:01:20.000 He wanted more money and the UFC wasn't gonna pay him more money.
01:01:24.000 They're like, you're...
01:01:25.000 This is what we're gonna pay you, either fight or not.
01:01:27.000 And that's why he retired.
01:01:28.000 And he thought retiring, they would want him back, and they just haven't. 0.99
01:01:32.000 So now he's, you know, this old, and he's like, well, fuck. 0.99
01:01:35.000 Okay, I'll come back. 0.99
01:01:36.000 Well, I think he's still a competitor, too.
01:01:38.000 Yeah, for sure.
01:01:38.000 We could be cynical about it all day long, but that guy is an Olympic gold medalist and two-division UFC champion.
01:01:47.000 Considerably the number one combat...
01:01:49.000 I saw someone say Alex Pajero is the number one combat sports athlete, but it's hard to put him above Henry when he's won the Olympic gold.
01:01:55.000 Yeah, he won the gold medal in the Olympics.
01:01:57.000 However, Pajero, when he's fighting in glory, he's fighting elite professionals.
01:02:04.000 Yeah.
01:02:05.000 You know, where Henry is wrestling amateurs.
01:02:09.000 I wonder if they had a professional level of grappling, if the level would be even better than it is right now.
01:02:16.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:02:17.000 Like if there was like millions of dollars to be made.
01:02:19.000 Oh, yeah.
01:02:19.000 Like if wrestling was like NBA, like it was that big, which is totally conceivable.
01:02:25.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:02:26.000 Wrestling is fucking exciting. 0.99
01:02:27.000 You watch two assassins go after each other and dive on legs and scrambles. 0.99
01:02:32.000 It's very exciting.
01:02:33.000 Why isn't that a huge thing?
01:02:35.000 And if it was a huge thing, and these guys could make millions, I wonder if the level would go up.
01:02:41.000 Yeah.
01:02:42.000 Because think about how high the level is already.
01:02:45.000 But if it was like a real professional sport all around the world, Yeah, that's a good question.
01:02:52.000 Probably.
01:02:53.000 I mean, I'm sure money makes people happy. 0.97
01:02:55.000 It makes them want to fucking go after it. 0.93
01:02:58.000 So yeah, probably. 0.96
01:02:59.000 Well, it does, but that makes wrestling even more impressive.
01:03:01.000 Because other than guys like Jordan Burroughs, who makes a considerable amount of money doing events and competing, he makes money. 0.94
01:03:10.000 But for most guys, it's a fucking tough road to be a wrestler.
01:03:14.000 You might get a coaching job, but if you get a coaching job, that was what kept... 0.98
01:03:21.000 That was Mark Schultz.
01:03:23.000 Mark Schultz, who was the brother of the guy who got murdered by John DuPont in that movie.
01:03:29.000 Oh, yeah.
01:03:30.000 What was that movie called again?
01:03:32.000 Foxcatcher.
01:03:33.000 Foxcatcher.
01:03:34.000 The movie's kind of like, they play a lot of, they take a lot of liberties with the storyline, like clear.
01:03:42.000 But in the story, in the movie, Mark Schultz fights some Russian in a cage fight.
01:03:49.000 But in real life, he fought Big Daddy Goodrich. 0.96
01:03:53.000 So Mark Schultz, who was a fucking cream of the crop, world champion wrestler, just took Big Daddy Goodrich down at will. 0.91
01:04:00.000 Just mounted him, beat him up, but he never fought in MMA again. 0.98
01:04:03.000 Because he was coaching, I think he was coaching for Baylor, Brigham Young?
01:04:08.000 Maybe Brigham?
01:04:10.000 He was coaching for some college. 0.99
01:04:13.000 And the college said, if you want to retain your job as a coach, you cannot fight in a fucking cage with bare-knuckle head-butting people on the weekend. 0.99
01:04:23.000 That's fair, but come on. 1.00
01:04:25.000 Show up Monday, retarded. 1.00
01:04:27.000 That's the problem with guys who were wrestlers. 0.99
01:04:29.000 It's like you got to a point where you got a job, then you got to...
01:04:33.000 The only real competition back then for money...
01:04:36.000 Was MMA. And there was guys that jumped in with no submission training.
01:04:41.000 They didn't know what they were doing.
01:04:43.000 Remember when Ensign Inouye tapped Royce Alger?
01:04:48.000 Do you remember that?
01:04:49.000 Hell no.
01:04:50.000 I don't even know who those guys are.
01:04:51.000 Dude, you don't know who Ensign is?
01:04:53.000 Uh-uh.
01:04:53.000 Oh my god, Ensign's a legend.
01:04:56.000 Ensign's one of the toughest guys that's ever lived.
01:04:58.000 Old school UFC? Old school UFC, old school pride.
01:05:01.000 He fought wars in pride.
01:05:05.000 He had a war with Frank Shamrock.
01:05:08.000 This dude?
01:05:08.000 He was to the death.
01:05:09.000 What a name.
01:05:11.000 His nickname was Yamoto Damashi, which is...
01:05:15.000 I don't want to fuck up the translation.
01:05:20.000 Yeah, but I think it's a big guy.
01:05:23.000 Roughly, I think roughly it has something to do with like fighter spirit.
01:05:27.000 What is, find out what Yamato Dimashii means.
01:05:29.000 What's the actual translation of it?
01:05:33.000 Twelve and eight.
01:05:34.000 It's fought everybody, huh?
01:05:35.000 Or anybody?
01:05:36.000 What does it say?
01:05:39.000 Cultural values.
01:05:41.000 What is it?
01:05:41.000 What is the definition?
01:05:45.000 Japanese heart-mind.
01:05:47.000 It's a Japanese language term for the cultural values.
01:05:50.000 Well, they would use it in like a warrior term though.
01:05:57.000 Spirit, cultural values as opposed to cultural values of foreign nature nations.
01:06:03.000 Spirit, Yamato, spirit.
01:06:05.000 Anyway.
01:06:05.000 I wonder what those dudes were making back in the day money-wise.
01:06:08.000 One day, me and Eddie Bravo and this dude Cabbage.
01:06:11.000 Do you remember Cabbage?
01:06:12.000 No.
01:06:12.000 Cabbage was another guy who fought in the early days of the UFC. One of the fucking toughest dudes that's ever lived.
01:06:17.000 Built like a fire hydrant. 1.00
01:06:18.000 Fucking Cabbage. 1.00
01:06:19.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:06:21.000 Samurai Spirit, or Old Spirit of Japan.
01:06:25.000 So that was what his nickname was, like Samurai Spirit.
01:06:27.000 That dude would like literally try to fight to the death.
01:06:30.000 His fights were so wild. 0.98
01:06:32.000 They were just fucking slugfest, like ducking his head, swinging full blast, dumping the gas tank, just emptying it out. 0.99
01:06:39.000 As fast as possible. 0.99
01:06:40.000 He fought Igor Vovchanchin, but he also fought skillfully too, man.
01:06:44.000 He submitted Randy Couture.
01:06:46.000 He armbarred Randy Couture.
01:06:47.000 That was Cabbage.
01:06:48.000 Cabbage was an animal, bro.
01:06:49.000 So Cabbage.
01:06:52.000 Cabbage was a funny dude.
01:06:53.000 One time me and Eddie Bravo and Cabbage were smoking weed in a hotel room in Vegas and I wanted to quit.
01:06:58.000 I was like, dude, we can't keep smoking weed.
01:07:00.000 He just kept rolling up joints.
01:07:02.000 And he just would, if you'd fire the joint up and say, Yamoto Damashi.
01:07:06.000 Yamoto Damashi.
01:07:08.000 We completely passed through into another dimension in that hotel room.
01:07:12.000 We just sat around and giggled for like three hours afterwards.
01:07:15.000 That's funny.
01:07:17.000 I don't remember who I was having this conversation with, but I was thinking if fighters got paid way more like they want, I don't know how many fighters will stick around. 0.89
01:07:26.000 It's such a fucked sport to go through those camps and stuff.
01:07:29.000 I'm like, if these young fighters are making $100,000, $200,000 and they're not used to making money, I don't know how serious they would take it. 0.98
01:07:39.000 I think the killers would all stay.
01:07:40.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:07:41.000 I think this is like what makes a Pajera or an Adesanya or even you.
01:07:45.000 I think what makes people really get to that level, the motivation is not just money.
01:07:54.000 The motivation is glory.
01:07:55.000 The motivation is accomplishing this impossible task, right?
01:08:00.000 I mean, what is your motivation?
01:08:01.000 Yeah, I think mine now is just reaching my highest potential. 0.78
01:08:06.000 I'm like, damn, we're so close. 0.86
01:08:07.000 We're number one right now. 0.97
01:08:09.000 I want to be the champ, and I want to see how far I can take this.
01:08:14.000 I want to be recognized as one of the greatest ever, too.
01:08:17.000 And I don't want to just be recognized as a striker that knocks people out.
01:08:20.000 I want to be, you know...
01:08:21.000 I don't want to just...
01:08:22.000 Alex Pajada's like, no, just for striking.
01:08:24.000 Izzy was kind of just known for striking. 1.00
01:08:25.000 I feel like I've underrated jiu-jitsu, underrated grappling, and, you know, I've been training a lot, and I want to start choking. 0.97
01:08:32.000 Like, ideal scenario, I fight Aljo or Henry, I would love to fucking choke one of these dudes. 0.70
01:08:37.000 Did you tap Gilbert Melendez in a tournament? 0.98
01:08:39.000 No, I tapped Gomi. 1.00
01:08:41.000 Oh, it was Gomi. 0.99
01:08:42.000 Takanori Gomi?
01:08:43.000 Yeah.
01:08:43.000 Sorry, Gilbert.
01:08:44.000 I grappled Gilbert.
01:08:45.000 We did an eight-minute round.
01:08:47.000 It was nine.
01:08:48.000 Eight or nine-minute round.
01:08:50.000 That was a pretty sick match.
01:08:52.000 That was on that UFC quintet.
01:08:54.000 Gilbert, super underrated guy.
01:08:56.000 People forgot about Gilbert.
01:08:57.000 High level black belt, way bigger than me.
01:08:59.000 I took that quintet very serious.
01:09:03.000 I trained for that.
01:09:04.000 It was a match. 1.00
01:09:05.000 I think a lot of the guys were just going in there, fucking around. 0.99
01:09:10.000 I don't know. 0.99
01:09:11.000 I trained serious for that.
01:09:12.000 I went 9 or 8 minutes with Gilbert and then choked Gomi. 1.00
01:09:17.000 I want to start choking people. 0.89
01:09:19.000 I love knocking people out, but I would love to if I have an opportunity to choke someone, I would love to. 0.67
01:09:25.000 Well, having a well-rounded game where you're a significant threat both on your back and on the top and not just standing up is so important.
01:09:33.000 Especially this division.
01:09:34.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:09:35.000 That division's just...
01:09:36.000 There's so much going on in that division, man. 0.97
01:09:39.000 Remember when Marlon Marais was the fucking scariest guy alive? 0.94
01:09:42.000 He knocked out- I remember when he knocked out Alja, I was there for that. 1.00
01:09:45.000 I thought- That and then when Tony Ferguson got frontkicked by Michael Chan, I watched, I was like- I just witnessed him, the first murder in the UFC. They laid there for so long.
01:09:55.000 Morais had this switch kick off the left leg that was a thing of fucking beauty. 0.98
01:10:02.000 It's one of the best switch kicks I've ever seen. 0.98
01:10:05.000 Right up there with Barboza, but Barboza would switch kick to the body and you'd be like, Jesus Christ!
01:10:12.000 When Barboza was in his prime, earliest, like before all the wars, bro, his switch kick was insane.
01:10:20.000 It was insane.
01:10:24.000 Yeah, this fight was, I mean, I think he went to throw that same switch kick and knee him.
01:10:28.000 Yeah, so Aljo took him down, and then here...
01:10:31.000 Yep, went to throw it and kneeed him. 1.00
01:10:32.000 Boom! 0.99
01:10:34.000 Dude, his left high kick was fucking insane. 1.00
01:10:38.000 Look at that. 1.00
01:10:38.000 Look at that left high kick. 1.00
01:10:40.000 Yeah, that was beautiful.
01:10:41.000 Oh my god.
01:10:43.000 It's so fast, too.
01:10:44.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:10:45.000 And when he was chopping at Henry in that first round, I was like, oh my god, Henry's fucked. 0.99
01:10:50.000 That's what I thought. 1.00
01:10:51.000 I'm like, he's fucked, but... 0.99
01:10:53.000 Marais just fell apart, and Henry just put the gas on him. 1.00
01:10:56.000 Henry knows how to win. 0.99
01:10:58.000 He just knows how to fucking win. 1.00
01:10:59.000 He knows how to win. 0.99
01:11:00.000 He's a competitor at the highest level.
01:11:02.000 Yeah, and it's really strange to watch how a couple of fights can change the trajectory of a fighter's career and limit how durable they are and what happens when things go sideways with them. 0.93
01:11:15.000 Yeah, that mentally probably fucked Murray. 0.93
01:11:17.000 He was dominating and then just completely gassed out. 0.58
01:11:20.000 Yeah, in the biggest fight of his life.
01:11:22.000 He was almost the world champion.
01:11:24.000 Was that for...
01:11:25.000 That was for the...
01:11:27.000 That was for the belt.
01:11:28.000 Henry wasn't champ, was he?
01:11:29.000 Was he at the time?
01:11:30.000 No one was champ, right?
01:11:32.000 Wasn't it for the...
01:11:33.000 It was for the belt.
01:11:35.000 Henry's belt?
01:11:36.000 Yeah, I don't know.
01:11:37.000 I'm pretty sure it was for the belt.
01:11:40.000 Or was it...
01:11:41.000 It was a title fight.
01:11:42.000 It was a title fight.
01:11:43.000 Right.
01:11:43.000 So it was an elimination fight or was it an interim fight?
01:11:46.000 Maybe it was interim?
01:11:47.000 Oh, maybe.
01:11:48.000 Was this before or after Mighty Mouse left?
01:11:51.000 It's after Mighty Mouse left, right?
01:11:52.000 Well, this was at Mighty Mouse 25. This was at 35. Oh, that's right.
01:11:56.000 But I think it was after TJ. I don't know.
01:12:02.000 When he fought Marais right there, June 2019, won the vacant UFC Bantamweight Championship.
01:12:09.000 So it was vacant.
01:12:10.000 Okay.
01:12:11.000 Yeah, because TJ must have got busted.
01:12:14.000 That's right.
01:12:15.000 Because Henry went down to 25. That's right.
01:12:18.000 Or no, TJ went down to 25 to fight Henry.
01:12:20.000 Well, that was just madness. 1.00
01:12:21.000 That was so stupid. 1.00
01:12:22.000 It's weird because TJ doesn't look... 1.00
01:12:24.000 He's not a big 35er.
01:12:26.000 He didn't look...
01:12:27.000 Bro, but he looked dead.
01:12:28.000 Yeah, I know.
01:12:28.000 He looked so bad.
01:12:30.000 Like, he couldn't take shots.
01:12:32.000 No.
01:12:33.000 When you're taking EPO just to try to not be anemic...
01:12:37.000 He was literally letting his body eat itself.
01:12:40.000 I would have liked to see TJ vs. 0.64
01:12:42.000 Henry at 135. That would have been a very interesting, way different fight.
01:12:44.000 I still think Henry could win that fight, but it would have been way more interesting.
01:12:51.000 Well, I hope they can do something with TJ's shoulders.
01:12:53.000 It would be a shame if that's what ends it for him.
01:12:56.000 I mean, he's what, 36?
01:12:57.000 How old is he, Jamie?
01:12:58.000 36?
01:12:59.000 37?
01:13:00.000 Yeah, that was him when he was cutting down the flyweight.
01:13:03.000 Just crazy, man.
01:13:04.000 Just crazy. 0.91
01:13:06.000 He's dying.
01:13:07.000 The thing about that is we want to pretend that that doesn't take something out of you. 0.99
01:13:12.000 But it fucking does. 0.99
01:13:14.000 Do you need tissues, brother? 0.99
01:13:15.000 No, I don't even think.
01:13:16.000 It's just stuff.
01:13:17.000 He's 36 also.
01:13:18.000 TJ's 36. He's 37. He's 37. Appreciate it.
01:13:22.000 I don't want you sitting around with boogers. 1.00
01:13:24.000 I hate that.
01:13:26.000 It's so hard to concentrate.
01:13:27.000 He's 37?
01:13:28.000 He'll be 37 in two months.
01:13:30.000 Yeah.
01:13:31.000 He's got tremendous skills.
01:13:34.000 I mean, TJ, when he won the title from Hennenborough, I remember watching that performance. 0.99
01:13:40.000 I'm like, God damn, TJ! I was watching that. 0.99
01:13:43.000 I actually watched... 0.99
01:13:44.000 The both those fight week when I was on the treadmill just kind of walking or whatever I was doing for that last fight I was watching those just fucking I always try to find some fights that I like but uh Yeah, that was so so impressive when he beat Hendon like that that first time Fuck! 1.00
01:13:57.000 People that talk shit about TJ Dillashaw, that's like that Roy Jones Jr. song Y'all must have forgot Just go back and watch him peace up Hendon Burrell to win the title and do it like he's sparring Yeah Just do it so calm like he's fucking sparring He was a bad motherfucker. 1.00
01:14:13.000 And even then, even then, his shoulders were fucked. 1.00
01:14:16.000 Really? 1.00
01:14:16.000 Yeah, man. 1.00
01:14:17.000 Fuck. 1.00
01:14:18.000 Dude, TJ's had shoulder problems forever. 1.00
01:14:20.000 He's had multiple shoulder surgeries. 0.88
01:14:23.000 I think, you know, he probably tore some shit early and didn't get it fixed and kept, like, training while it was torn. 0.90
01:14:32.000 And then there's a lot of guys, they blow their rotator cuffs out and then they keep training. 0.97
01:14:35.000 And it's like... 0.99
01:14:37.000 TJ had some sweet, those fights against Cody, whether he was on shit or not. 0.99
01:14:41.000 I mean, if he was and he beat Cody like that, that's super fucked up because Cody did drop him. 0.98
01:14:45.000 Cody, I mean, to recover as fast as he did, it could have been because of that. 0.95
01:14:49.000 Who knows?
01:14:49.000 Whatever.
01:14:50.000 But those fights with Cody were epic. 0.98
01:14:52.000 The fight with Corey Sanhagen was fucking sweet. 0.99
01:14:55.000 It was a good fight, particularly knowing that he blew his fucking knee out in the first round. 0.99
01:14:59.000 First round. 1.00
01:14:59.000 Mental toughness, man. 1.00
01:15:01.000 Off the charts.
01:15:01.000 His mental toughness.
01:15:02.000 The fact that he took that fight and popped his fucking shoulder back into place in the middle of the Aljamain fight and even got through that first fucking round. 0.99
01:15:10.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:15:11.000 Nine months till I can start training rough and tough and then making sure everything is healed up.
01:15:15.000 Dillashaw explained about his recovery and training timeline.
01:15:17.000 I've had shoulder surgery before and I'd say another year maybe to compete.
01:15:21.000 Either a year to compete or a year to get back to a training camp.
01:15:24.000 This is like two days ago.
01:15:25.000 I think he just had the surgery.
01:15:27.000 So he had the surgery to repair a torn labrum, biceps, and additional work on his biceps tendon in 2019. So yeah, man, his shoulders are fucked, man. 0.99
01:15:39.000 It's just very hard. 1.00
01:15:41.000 The shoulder's a very complicated joint.
01:15:43.000 Yeah, I've been lucky.
01:15:45.000 I'm put together pretty well so far.
01:15:47.000 That's great.
01:15:49.000 When shoulder issues and back and neck issues, those are giant ones.
01:15:53.000 The back and neck one is particularly disturbing. 1.00
01:15:56.000 Oh, fuck. 0.99
01:15:57.000 I mean, Aljo had that neck, whatever he had. 1.00
01:16:00.000 Yeah, he's got an artificial disc in his neck. 1.00
01:16:02.000 Fuck. 1.00
01:16:02.000 That's crazy. 1.00
01:16:03.000 He had to do it.
01:16:04.000 He had to do it after that yawn fight. 0.97
01:16:06.000 He said it was fucked up before that, but when yawn hit him, I mean, you gotta think if you do have a herniated disc and then you get an illegal knee that you don't expect on the ground and you're not preparing for it and you get really jolted, It's so crazy, like, if Jan didn't do that, Jan wouldn't have ended up having to fight me, and, like, he's just had such, like, that sucked. 0.97
01:16:24.000 Crazy luck. 0.97
01:16:25.000 Then that last fight with Jan Aljo.
01:16:28.000 I think he was asking his corner, too. 0.91
01:16:31.000 Can I knee him in the face? 0.53
01:16:32.000 Didn't someone say yeah? 0.99
01:16:33.000 In his corner?
01:16:34.000 That's what I thought.
01:16:35.000 I felt like that was the...
01:16:36.000 That's true.
01:16:38.000 I'm so curious what that dude does next.
01:16:41.000 I don't think he's been kind of off the grid, not saying stuff.
01:16:44.000 He feels like UFC doesn't have his back or whatever. 0.97
01:16:47.000 I'm like, well, first of all, you fucking need a guy while he was down. 0.98
01:16:50.000 That was your own fault. 0.98
01:16:51.000 It had nothing to do with UFC. They gave you an immediate rematch, lost a close fight to Aljo, and he lost a close fight to me.
01:16:57.000 I feel like you fought one other person.
01:17:00.000 Oh, he did, yeah.
01:17:01.000 Corey.
01:17:02.000 Yeah, Corey.
01:17:03.000 Yeah.
01:17:03.000 Fought Sanhagen, which was a great fight.
01:17:05.000 Yeah.
01:17:06.000 And Sanhagen took that on short notice. 0.99
01:17:09.000 Yeah, that was impressive as fuck. 0.99
01:17:11.000 Yeah, very impressive. 0.99
01:17:11.000 In Abu Dhabi. 0.99
01:17:12.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:17:12.000 Very impressive.
01:17:13.000 And so then he has the rematch, and I just think...
01:17:18.000 When you saw Al Jermaine with his neck fixed, and he had a dietary issue before, where he wasn't eating before the fight.
01:17:27.000 Yeah, I remember him saying that.
01:17:28.000 And he just was exhausted while he was in the fight, and he realized, like, I didn't eat anything. 0.97
01:17:32.000 What the fuck is wrong with me? 0.97
01:17:33.000 Ate breakfast, and now you're fighting at 10 p.m. 1.00
01:17:34.000 at night.
01:17:35.000 Yeah.
01:17:35.000 And this time he fueled up.
01:17:37.000 That'll change.
01:17:38.000 That'll make you feel better.
01:17:39.000 He said it changed everything.
01:17:40.000 But I guess when you're nervous and you're not thinking about it, you forget to eat.
01:17:43.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:17:44.000 Put on a fucking title fight? 0.99
01:17:45.000 Yeah, it's tricky because you're like, I don't want to eat too close. 0.99
01:17:48.000 Like, will this food, like, is there a certain sauce on there that's going to make my fucking stomach hurt? 0.82
01:17:53.000 Like, it's tricky fight day.
01:17:55.000 What do you eat generally on fight day?
01:17:56.000 I add...
01:17:57.000 What is this?
01:17:58.000 I think the link I clicked said that it's video of his corner telling him to do it.
01:18:06.000 Okay.
01:18:07.000 Let's go Pete.
01:18:09.000 Controller, we need to dig deep.
01:18:12.000 Keep that pressure on.
01:18:15.000 Just punch. 0.96
01:18:16.000 Just punch. 0.96
01:18:17.000 There we go.
01:18:19.000 Yes.
01:18:22.000 That one guy was saying, just punch.
01:18:24.000 Yeah, it's Bahampa.
01:18:25.000 One guy saying, just punch, but then somebody in that corner goes, yes, when he says kick.
01:18:32.000 It's in Russian.
01:18:33.000 Habib heard it sitting over here because we couldn't understand the language.
01:18:36.000 But someone in that corner yelled, yes, kick, and then Piotr Jan lands an illegal knee that ultimately cost him the UFC champion.
01:18:46.000 Dude, having good corners is...
01:18:49.000 Because you have to have... 1.00
01:18:50.000 You're with those motherfuckers for a week. 1.00
01:18:51.000 In a hotel, having three good corners. 1.00
01:18:54.000 I have Brandon, doesn't know shit about fighting, strength, conditioning. 0.60
01:18:57.000 More of a guy, he stretches me out. 0.93
01:18:59.000 We do breath exercises.
01:19:00.000 We do stuff like that.
01:19:01.000 He knows, don't yell. 1.00
01:19:02.000 Don't say shit in the corner. 1.00
01:19:03.000 You don't know shit about fighting. 1.00
01:19:05.000 Augusto, Tanquinho, I said if you want to say anything, if it's on the ground, grappling-wise, yell. 0.99
01:19:11.000 I'm listening.
01:19:11.000 If it's on the feet, tell Tim.
01:19:14.000 Because Tim's more of a striker. 0.99
01:19:16.000 I want to hear Tim yelling in the corner, and I don't want him yelling random shit. 1.00
01:19:20.000 You hear some people yelling shit just to yell shit, especially in the minute you get... 1.00
01:19:25.000 You'll have all three coaches trying to tell you something. 1.00
01:19:28.000 It's where I feel like I've had such a good corner.
01:19:31.000 It's like only the person that needs to talk is Tim.
01:19:34.000 And then if you have something that you think is important, you can tell Tim.
01:19:37.000 Tim can tell me.
01:19:37.000 Unless it's grappling on the ground, tanking you.
01:19:39.000 Say whatever the fuck you want. 0.99
01:19:40.000 I'm listening. 0.99
01:19:41.000 But yeah, some people, the corners...
01:19:43.000 Chaotic.
01:19:44.000 Oh, chaotic.
01:19:45.000 And just fight week.
01:19:46.000 You gotta hang out with...
01:19:47.000 I don't know.
01:19:48.000 It's crazy. 0.95
01:19:48.000 I feel super lucky because I bet there's some fighters listening to this that are like, God damn it, he's right. 0.95
01:19:54.000 They have to bring... 0.96
01:19:54.000 You know, you bring corner men and it's like, maybe you don't have three people you're super close with or you want to hang out with all fucking week while you're cutting weight. 0.96
01:20:01.000 Yeah.
01:20:01.000 I just feel so lucky I have three guys that I just...
01:20:04.000 I love being around. 0.65
01:20:05.000 Tenkino and Brandon are so fucking quiet. 0.97
01:20:08.000 They're not... 0.99
01:20:09.000 It's just...
01:20:09.000 It's a good vibe, fight week, so...
01:20:12.000 You fought in the Apex Center?
01:20:14.000 Yeah, a couple times.
01:20:15.000 Three times.
01:20:15.000 Three times?
01:20:16.000 And when you fought in the Apex Center, was it during the COVID times when they had no audience?
01:20:20.000 I fought Eddie Wineland.
01:20:23.000 That's right.
01:20:24.000 That was crazy.
01:20:25.000 Dude. 1.00
01:20:25.000 That was fucking crazy. 1.00
01:20:26.000 Have you ever done that before? 0.99
01:20:28.000 That fake the uppercut right hand?
01:20:30.000 It's like...
01:20:31.000 That one specifically, I think I have done, but it's just...
01:20:34.000 I mean, it's...
01:20:36.000 They're all just feints.
01:20:38.000 Like when I was dribbling on Chris Mantino, it's all just like, look at my hands, ba-boom!
01:20:41.000 You know what I mean?
01:20:42.000 So I have that little uppercut three and then a two.
01:20:45.000 It's just like, look at my hands, like a change up in baseball, kind of slow, boom!
01:20:50.000 So I fought him, then I fought, right after that I fought Cheeto, and then I fought Thomas Almeida in the Apex.
01:20:57.000 But the Cheeto fight, that's going to be massive.
01:21:00.000 And everyone wanted me to rematch him right away.
01:21:03.000 And I always said, I'm going to rematch him when the time is right, and we're getting there.
01:21:08.000 I go out there and beat Aljor Henry, which I truly believe I can be.
01:21:12.000 I have the style, I have the skills to beat those guys. 0.98
01:21:16.000 Cheeto's first title defense, fucking massive. 0.97
01:21:20.000 What's Cheeto ranked right now? 0.99
01:21:23.000 I'm not sure.
01:21:23.000 I think Cheeto versus Corey is kind of what they're...
01:21:26.000 Is that happening?
01:21:27.000 I don't know.
01:21:28.000 I know they were talking about it in December.
01:21:30.000 It's obviously not going to happen in December now, if I had to guess.
01:21:33.000 But I don't know if Cheeto gets past Corey. 0.99
01:21:35.000 Corey's fucking... 1.00
01:21:36.000 Corey's fucking good. 1.00
01:21:38.000 Marlon's four. 0.99
01:21:39.000 Four.
01:21:40.000 And people think I hate him.
01:21:41.000 So Corey's six.
01:21:42.000 I got nothing against Cheeto.
01:21:44.000 People think I hate him.
01:21:44.000 I don't mind Cheeto.
01:21:46.000 Well, just people thought it was funny that you always said that that wasn't a loss.
01:21:48.000 It's not.
01:21:50.000 And then I'll die at that.
01:21:52.000 How is it not a loss?
01:21:54.000 And I think...
01:21:55.000 I think Cheeto knows too.
01:21:56.000 You go watch that fight.
01:21:58.000 He literally...
01:21:59.000 It wasn't a calf kick.
01:22:00.000 It wasn't a good leg kick.
01:22:01.000 It was a kick he threw and I pulled out.
01:22:04.000 With kicks, you either check them, step in, you eat it, or you pull out.
01:22:08.000 I was pulling out and I've watched it.
01:22:10.000 The slow-mo.
01:22:11.000 His big toe literally pushed a button.
01:22:13.000 My peroneal nerve pushed a button and my foot just fell asleep.
01:22:16.000 But before that...
01:22:18.000 I was kicking him. 0.60
01:22:18.000 I kicked him so hard. 0.60
01:22:19.000 He spun around. 0.77
01:22:20.000 I was kicking his legs way harder than he was kicking mine. 0.68
01:22:23.000 I was out striking him.
01:22:24.000 I don't think he punched me in the head once until the whole thing.
01:22:28.000 And then I blitzed forward. 0.87
01:22:29.000 And I went to step back in my foot, which wasn't there.
01:22:32.000 He got on top, elbowed me.
01:22:33.000 It's a loss on the record.
01:22:36.000 But I don't feel like...
01:22:37.000 I didn't go in there and lose because his skills were better than me.
01:22:40.000 I do not believe that.
01:22:40.000 If we have a rematch and he goes in there and beats me to decision...
01:22:43.000 Something beats me in any other way without some kind of...
01:22:46.000 If he kicks me in the nerve again, I'll think he did it on purpose.
01:22:48.000 I'll be like, okay, that's fair.
01:22:49.000 That's two losses.
01:22:50.000 But I just know it wasn't a skill set.
01:22:54.000 It wasn't a lack of skills.
01:22:55.000 It wasn't a...
01:22:56.000 He didn't beat me because his skills were better than me that night. 0.98
01:22:58.000 And it sucked because that camp was so fucking good. 0.96
01:23:00.000 I had such a good training camp and everything was so good for that. 0.99
01:23:02.000 It happened.
01:23:03.000 And it was...
01:23:05.000 I don't feel like I lost any stock or anything and I feel like everything went as it needed to go, but I just I'll never accept that as a loss as far as mentally thinking, you know, I didn't get beat that night.
01:23:19.000 So because it's such a button, that nerve is such a button, it almost in your mind is like a lucky punch.
01:23:25.000 How many...
01:23:25.000 I know, as he said, his perennial nerve got kicked.
01:23:28.000 But how many times from that fight until...
01:23:30.000 I mean, there's fights every weekend.
01:23:32.000 You rarely see that happen where the nerve gets shut off and they can't...
01:23:37.000 My foot, I rolled it like eight times when he kicked it until the end of the fight.
01:23:41.000 I rolled it so many times.
01:23:43.000 That happened to Henry against Mighty Mouse, right?
01:23:45.000 That was a big one.
01:23:46.000 We got that drop foot.
01:23:48.000 Chandler had one in Bellator.
01:23:50.000 And that Jimmy Crute, I think, happened or something.
01:23:53.000 But you know what's weird?
01:23:54.000 In that fight...
01:23:56.000 Oh wait, was it that one?
01:23:57.000 I think that was it.
01:23:58.000 Yeah, it might have been.
01:24:00.000 Yeah, look at my...
01:24:01.000 It was so weird. 0.80
01:24:02.000 I was like, oh shit, my foot's not working. 0.98
01:24:04.000 Go back to it real quick, will you? 0.96
01:24:06.000 Can you make it in slow-mo?
01:24:08.000 Down to that bottom right?
01:24:10.000 Or even like that?
01:24:12.000 Look, I'm pulling all the way out.
01:24:14.000 And his toe!
01:24:15.000 His toe hit...
01:24:16.000 It wasn't a nice calf kick.
01:24:18.000 His shin didn't land on my calf.
01:24:20.000 It wasn't like... 0.99
01:24:22.000 It was just a weird fucking thing. 0.98
01:24:24.000 His toe bounced off. 0.99
01:24:25.000 I like pushed a button.
01:24:26.000 And my foot turned off.
01:24:28.000 And it was such a weird feeling. 0.99
01:24:30.000 I could feel like I'm like, oh shit. 0.96
01:24:33.000 It was so weird. 0.99
01:24:34.000 Look at your foot.
01:24:34.000 Yeah.
01:24:35.000 I rolled it like eight times.
01:24:36.000 And I was still trying.
01:24:38.000 Oh.
01:24:39.000 And I still outstruck him.
01:24:40.000 If we're counting stats.
01:24:42.000 He still didn't.
01:24:43.000 I just didn't feel any danger.
01:24:45.000 It was a weird, weird, weird feeling.
01:24:48.000 I had to drag it.
01:24:49.000 I couldn't lift it.
01:24:51.000 Are you trying to hope it comes back?
01:24:53.000 Like, what are you thinking right now?
01:24:54.000 So, I have my ankles wrapped.
01:24:56.000 And before I walked out, I was having Brandon.
01:24:58.000 I was saying, hey, are we pulling this?
01:24:59.000 This feels a little tight on my ankle.
01:25:00.000 And I was wondering if it didn't come back because the ankle was wrapped too tight.
01:25:04.000 Because I feel like it should have came back by now.
01:25:06.000 And I still had no feeling and it was so weird.
01:25:11.000 Oh, God.
01:25:12.000 And going backwards like that was fine.
01:25:14.000 It's when I tried to go...
01:25:15.000 I don't like watching it.
01:25:17.000 It's when I go forward that I wouldn't lift.
01:25:20.000 Wow.
01:25:23.000 But even before that, before that had happened, I was dominating the fight.
01:25:28.000 I was not getting hit, and I was piecing him up before the knee thing.
01:25:31.000 And even now, it's like, I'm not really getting beat up.
01:25:35.000 Throws a head kick, doesn't really do much.
01:25:37.000 I have to go backwards and drag it.
01:25:38.000 I can't move forward.
01:25:40.000 It's crazy watching it from this angle, too, because I'm only looking at that foot now, and I'm like, yeah, it's totally numb on you.
01:25:47.000 And he hasn't really, I mean, I don't know.
01:25:50.000 Like I said, I don't mind Cheeto.
01:25:54.000 I'll roll it a couple more times here, and then I blitz forward, which I probably shouldn't have done.
01:26:00.000 That was a nice kick, but my leg is just so compromised right now.
01:26:05.000 I can only go backwards and drag it.
01:26:10.000 Is it getting any better at all?
01:26:11.000 I don't remember, honestly.
01:26:14.000 I just remember it had this weird, like, stinging feeling. 0.99
01:26:20.000 I wanted, I was like, I need to knock this dude out, is what I was thinking, and I was hopping right there, like, fuck! 1.00
01:26:25.000 I was thinking, I need to throw a bomb on this motherfucker. 1.00
01:26:31.000 It seems like it's back a little bit. 1.00
01:26:33.000 I haven't watched it in a minute.
01:26:39.000 But yeah, this is going to be an exciting rematch.
01:26:41.000 I know he wants it, I want it.
01:26:44.000 Nice 1-2 right there.
01:26:45.000 Right here is where I blitz forward and I go to step back.
01:26:47.000 And it's just not there.
01:26:49.000 Oh! 0.99
01:26:51.000 And then he gets on top, lands a nice fucking elbow. 0.99
01:26:54.000 But I wasn't even thinking about... 0.99
01:27:00.000 Yeah.
01:27:00.000 So I'm excited for that.
01:27:02.000 I think that's a giant fucking fight. 0.99
01:27:04.000 Obviously. 0.99
01:27:05.000 I think it's a giant fight, too.
01:27:06.000 The division.
01:27:07.000 Chido has now become a star, too.
01:27:09.000 Yeah.
01:27:09.000 And that knockout of Dominic Cruz.
01:27:11.000 Like, holy shit. 0.99
01:27:12.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:27:13.000 Who else did he...
01:27:14.000 Oh, Frankie.
01:27:15.000 Frankie.
01:27:15.000 Frankie was a rough one.
01:27:16.000 That was crazy, though, because Frankie was winning that... 0.91
01:27:19.000 He won first round, won the second round, he took him down, and he would have won that fight and landed that front kick with, like, what, two minutes left or something?
01:27:28.000 Hmm.
01:27:28.000 Which was...
01:27:30.000 But I mean, he's doing what he needs to do.
01:27:32.000 He's building his name, which is perfect for me.
01:27:33.000 And I think it just makes sense that rematch is for a title main event.
01:27:37.000 It would be a big fight.
01:27:39.000 It would be a very big fight.
01:27:40.000 It would be very exciting.
01:27:41.000 It's just a really good division in terms of all the different matchups you can make.
01:27:46.000 There's so many killers in that division.
01:27:47.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:27:48.000 I mean, there's the Adrian Giannis, the Chris Gutierrez.
01:27:53.000 Still, it's the top 15 or whatever. 1.00
01:27:57.000 Yeah, fucking killers. 1.00
01:27:58.000 Killers, yeah. 0.99
01:28:00.000 When you look at like MMA now, now that you're a part of it, and now that you're an elite fighter, and you remember what it was like when you were a kid, when you first saw it, what was your first exposure to MMA? I was probably a young teenager.
01:28:18.000 My dad was watching, and I thought it was disgusting.
01:28:20.000 Like, what year do you think this was?
01:28:22.000 I think it was...
01:28:23.000 I don't know if it was WEC, and he was watching, like, Uriah.
01:28:27.000 Well, I think even before that, I was really little, and it was...
01:28:31.000 Teed over's Chuck, I think.
01:28:32.000 We went over to somebody's house and I was pretty small.
01:28:35.000 Didn't watch it at all.
01:28:36.000 Didn't really care for it.
01:28:38.000 That was probably the first time I ever watched it.
01:28:40.000 The more I can remember, I was watching Uriah.
01:28:43.000 I don't know if it was WEC. I don't remember, but I was disgusted.
01:28:49.000 I remember thinking, how do they not break their ribs when they get kicked?
01:28:53.000 And why are they elbowing each other in the head? 0.82
01:28:55.000 I thought it was disgusting. 0.99
01:28:56.000 I was like, this is fucking absurd. 0.99
01:28:58.000 I liked football, basketball, baseball, soccer. 0.99
01:29:01.000 I liked ball sports.
01:29:03.000 Did not think fighting.
01:29:04.000 I didn't...
01:29:05.000 I don't...
01:29:05.000 It's so weird.
01:29:07.000 I remember telling my mom, like, Dad's watching that again, because I wanted to watch something on the TV, and he was watching fighting, and I knew my mom thought it was gross, too. 0.94
01:29:14.000 So she would yell, like, you gotta change that, or some shit. 0.96
01:29:16.000 So I told all my dad for watching, literally watching what I do now, which is funny. 0.89
01:29:21.000 That's hilarious.
01:29:22.000 Funny to think about, but yeah.
01:29:23.000 That's so funny.
01:29:24.000 Even after that, once I got into fighting, when I moved down to Arizona, I was 19 when I really started watching fights.
01:29:32.000 But until then, I didn't really watch UFC. Even now, I rarely watch fights.
01:29:38.000 Really?
01:29:39.000 Rarely. 1.00
01:29:39.000 Goddamn, dude. 1.00
01:29:40.000 I can't get enough. 0.99
01:29:41.000 Yeah, I don't know.
01:29:42.000 I watch everything.
01:29:43.000 I watch boxing, I watch MMA, I watch wrestling matches on YouTube, I watch a lot of jiu-jitsu, a lot of no-gi jiu-jitsu.
01:29:51.000 No-gi jiu-jitsu is a lot more fun to watch.
01:29:53.000 Oh man, it's so high level right now. 0.99
01:29:55.000 God damn, these guys are so good. 0.99
01:29:57.000 Gordon Ryan, dude, the fact that Gordon Ryan would go and compete and make it look so easy with those stomach issues he was talking about is fucking mind-blowing. 1.00
01:30:05.000 Mental strength off the charts. 0.99
01:30:06.000 I don't get it.
01:30:07.000 Off the charts, discipline and mental strength.
01:30:10.000 I like how he said he's like, I'm not the most athletic guy.
01:30:12.000 I just make other people less athletic than me.
01:30:15.000 He's in a sport where he just controls you with technique and skill and knowledge and discipline. 1.00
01:30:22.000 That fucking guy trains every day. 1.00
01:30:24.000 Seven days a week. 1.00
01:30:25.000 I don't understand.
01:30:26.000 He makes the best guys.
01:30:29.000 Like Galvo when he choked him.
01:30:30.000 Makes him look like they don't belong in there with him.
01:30:33.000 It's so impressive.
01:30:34.000 He one arm choked him, man.
01:30:36.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:30:37.000 Motherfucker must be so strong. 1.00
01:30:39.000 Oh, he's ridiculously strong. 1.00
01:30:41.000 I mean, look at him. 1.00
01:30:42.000 He looks like a goddamn superhero. 1.00
01:30:43.000 Yeah, he does. 1.00
01:30:44.000 He's fucking young, too. 0.99
01:30:45.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:30:46.000 He lets guys take him down.
01:30:47.000 I know.
01:30:47.000 Come on, take me down.
01:30:48.000 I know.
01:30:49.000 Take me down.
01:30:50.000 You're going to have to grapple. 0.99
01:30:51.000 Now you're fucksville. 1.00
01:30:52.000 That's crazy what Islam did. 1.00
01:30:54.000 Charles, too. 0.87
01:30:55.000 Got on top.
01:30:56.000 Crazy.
01:30:56.000 Had his back for a good part of that round and landed some good shots.
01:31:02.000 Dude, I mean, that's like one...
01:31:04.000 Islam had Charles back? 0.95
01:31:05.000 What'd you say?
01:31:06.000 When Islam took... 0.99
01:31:07.000 I thought you said Izzy.
01:31:08.000 Oh, no, no, Islam. 1.00
01:31:10.000 What Islam did to... 1.00
01:31:11.000 I was so confused.
01:31:13.000 I'm like, I didn't watch it.
01:31:14.000 I thought you were talking about the Izzy fight.
01:31:16.000 No, when Izzy took down... 1.00
01:31:18.000 Or beat Charles.
01:31:19.000 Just dropped him past... 0.84
01:31:21.000 Oh, when Islam took down Charles. 1.00
01:31:23.000 Oh, yeah, Islam. 1.00
01:31:24.000 Was I saying Izzy the whole time?
01:31:25.000 Yeah, you said Izzy.
01:31:25.000 It's okay.
01:31:26.000 It makes sense.
01:31:27.000 Islam... 0.98
01:31:27.000 I might have missed it. 0.98
01:31:28.000 Maybe you're confusing it because I confused it.
01:31:30.000 But Islam's choke must be otherworldly. 1.00
01:31:33.000 Yeah. 0.95
01:31:34.000 It must be otherworldly.
01:31:35.000 To do that to Charles?
01:31:36.000 Not just that, like the moment he's passing, Charles is tapping.
01:31:40.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:31:41.000 Like his squeeze has got to be off the fucking charts. 0.99
01:31:44.000 I talked to DC about it, and I said, hey man, I go, his fucking squeeze must have, he goes, oh dope. 0.99
01:31:50.000 I had him demonstrate a choke on me, and I thought it was going to be fun. 0.97
01:31:53.000 He's like, show me how you do that, show me how you do it.
01:31:55.000 He goes, dude! 1.00
01:31:56.000 Fuck. 1.00
01:31:56.000 When he grabbed a hold of me, I was like, oh shit, this guy's going to choke me. 1.00
01:32:00.000 And that's DC. Yeah, DC's a th. 0.99
01:32:02.000 Thick, bastard. 1.00
01:32:03.000 Look at him, right? 1.00
01:32:05.000 Two-division champion.
01:32:06.000 But look at that.
01:32:07.000 Crazy, man.
01:32:08.000 The moment he gets to the side. 0.92
01:32:10.000 Watch this pass.
01:32:11.000 Clamps it down.
01:32:12.000 Fast.
01:32:13.000 Oh, they cut it.
01:32:14.000 They cut a little snippet where he passes.
01:32:17.000 But it's once he passes, Charles just taps.
01:32:20.000 The most submissions in the history of the UFC. And he taps like that.
01:32:24.000 Yeah.
01:32:24.000 Charles' little run he had right there with...
01:32:27.000 Amazing.
01:32:28.000 Yeah.
01:32:28.000 Chandler, Gaethje.
01:32:31.000 Who else?
01:32:31.000 It wasn't one more.
01:32:33.000 Chandler, Gaethje.
01:32:34.000 I don't remember.
01:32:34.000 But yeah, that was...
01:32:35.000 I want to see him win so bad.
01:32:37.000 Dustin Poirier.
01:32:37.000 Dustin Poirier.
01:32:38.000 That's right.
01:32:38.000 That's right.
01:32:38.000 Yeah, he tapped everybody.
01:32:40.000 He's a monster. 0.97
01:32:41.000 Charles is a guy that just changed. 0.97
01:32:44.000 Like, whatever he was before, it's like, you gotta forget that when you fight him.
01:32:50.000 You're fighting this do-or-die assassin.
01:32:53.000 He's just an assassin. 0.99
01:32:55.000 And something shifted, and he became the best fucking lightweight in the world. 0.99
01:32:59.000 It's the weirdest thing, man. 0.98
01:33:00.000 It's gotta be just mental.
01:33:01.000 I mean, Jorge, similar, too.
01:33:04.000 It's gotta be something mental where it just clicks.
01:33:06.000 I think with him, he said that it was the birth of his daughter.
01:33:10.000 That can do it.
01:33:11.000 That it just was, you know, he was just so committed and driven now.
01:33:15.000 Yeah.
01:33:16.000 And I mean, but like the way he fights too, man, he's so exciting.
01:33:20.000 That guy's, he just goes right into the fire, man.
01:33:23.000 It's not, there's no like, let's play it safe. 1.00
01:33:26.000 It's like, come on, hit the fucking gas. 0.99
01:33:28.000 I wonder how much that was to do with his eyes. 1.00
01:33:30.000 I know that was the first time he fought.
01:33:32.000 After the eye surgery.
01:33:33.000 Right.
01:33:34.000 But before they said it was so bad.
01:33:36.000 I wonder if he had to get that close.
01:33:37.000 Just come straight forward, get that close.
01:33:39.000 Right. 0.99
01:33:39.000 To kind of fucking dial it in. 0.99
01:33:40.000 Not really peck off. 0.99
01:33:41.000 Because, I mean, he's long.
01:33:42.000 He could be an outside fighter, but he's not. 0.99
01:33:44.000 He's fucking pressure, counter. 0.99
01:33:47.000 He's playing a blurry video game. 1.00
01:33:49.000 Yeah, fuck. 1.00
01:33:50.000 Blurry video game. 1.00
01:33:51.000 And he's piecing people up.
01:33:53.000 I mean, it was also his technique.
01:33:56.000 His technique is so clean.
01:33:59.000 When he landed that left hook on Chandler, my goodness, it's so pretty.
01:34:05.000 Long.
01:34:06.000 Steps in.
01:34:06.000 It's perfect.
01:34:08.000 Hands are always up high.
01:34:09.000 Yeah. 0.51
01:34:10.000 You know, and Islam just took him apart. 1.00
01:34:12.000 Took him apart on the feet. 0.97
01:34:13.000 Took him apart on the ground.
01:34:15.000 That's how good Islam is.
01:34:16.000 I don't even know if I've watched that fight. 0.99
01:34:18.000 Because I was doing media and shit in the back after.
01:34:21.000 So I don't even know if I really watched the full fight yet.
01:34:25.000 It's a good fight to watch.
01:34:26.000 Yeah.
01:34:26.000 I need to go back and watch that.
01:34:27.000 Yeah, it's a good fight to watch.
01:34:29.000 Just to see how good he is.
01:34:30.000 The Dober fight scared me too.
01:34:32.000 I was like, Jesus.
01:34:33.000 Oh, God. 1.00
01:34:34.000 Like, Dober was just fucking... 1.00
01:34:35.000 Fuck, the moment he got him down. 1.00
01:34:36.000 That scared me too. 1.00
01:34:37.000 I was like, oh shit, if he could do that to Dober, make him look helpless. 0.99
01:34:42.000 Volkanovski vs. 1.00
01:34:43.000 Islam is so fascinating.
01:34:44.000 I think that's the fight I wanted to see.
01:34:47.000 Really?
01:34:47.000 Oh yeah.
01:34:48.000 Volk vs.
01:34:49.000 Islam? 0.87
01:34:49.000 Yeah. 0.87
01:34:50.000 Would you have rather seen Islam fight someone else in the lightweight division?
01:34:55.000 Well, who would it be?
01:34:57.000 Benil?
01:34:57.000 Maybe Darius.
01:34:59.000 There's a good argument there, especially he just won, and he's due.
01:35:02.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:35:03.000 I mean, that's a fucking exciting fight. 0.98
01:35:05.000 Benil versus anybody is an exciting fight. 0.99
01:35:07.000 Yeah.
01:35:08.000 Who else?
01:35:10.000 Poirier just beat Chandler, potentially him, but...
01:35:16.000 Gamera would have been interesting if he had gotten past Benil. 0.99
01:35:20.000 But I think Volkanovski, dude, that motherfucker is good. 0.97
01:35:23.000 He's so good and he's so compact that I think it's going to be an interesting fight. 0.98
01:35:28.000 Do you think he's big enough to compete against a guy like Islam who's a really big 55? 1.00
01:35:32.000 That's a great question.
01:35:34.000 I guess we'll wait and see.
01:35:36.000 Islam is big enough. 0.77
01:35:38.000 I mean, I don't know what he's cutting, but he's got the perfect physique for that weight class.
01:35:43.000 Yeah.
01:35:43.000 Like, he's very, very lean.
01:35:46.000 You know, he makes the weight, and he's obviously way bigger when he's competing.
01:35:51.000 He doesn't look anything like a 55-pound guy.
01:35:54.000 Yeah.
01:35:55.000 And Volk's pretty small.
01:35:57.000 Yeah, in comparison, when you look at the two of them together.
01:35:59.000 Yeah.
01:35:59.000 But the thing is the grappling.
01:36:02.000 Like, remember, you know, if you look at Volkanovski, he had a...
01:36:08.000 He's got real good takedown defense, and he can take guys down.
01:36:12.000 Took Max Holloway down a bunch.
01:36:14.000 But he's not the biggest guy even at 45. And when you're going up to face a big guy at 55, but also, Has Islam seen anybody that can move as fast as Volkanovski?
01:36:28.000 What if he starts catching him?
01:36:29.000 What if he catches him a few times on the feet and if he can avoid a takedown?
01:36:33.000 You're dealing with a significantly quicker guy probably.
01:36:37.000 He's probably never fought anybody that quick.
01:36:38.000 Remember when Ortega had Volk locked up and a guillotine mounted?
01:36:42.000 That was insane. 0.78
01:36:43.000 Now imagine if Islam had that. 1.00
01:36:45.000 Yeah, yeah, forget about that.
01:36:46.000 Now imagine Islam in that same position. 0.97
01:36:48.000 He ain't getting up.
01:36:49.000 He might not get out of the round.
01:36:50.000 He might not get out of the round.
01:36:51.000 Yeah, I think Islam has a next-level otherworldly squeeze. 1.00
01:36:56.000 It just seems like he gets a hold these guys and they just can't do jack shit. 1.00
01:37:00.000 It's so crazy. 0.99
01:37:02.000 Crazy.
01:37:02.000 But Volkanovski goes out there, cracks him, and changed the whole fight.
01:37:07.000 Well, we have to remember Islam did get KO'd. 1.00
01:37:10.000 Yeah, bad.
01:37:11.000 In one of his early fights.
01:37:12.000 Bad.
01:37:13.000 That was crazy.
01:37:14.000 That was a nice, I think it was just a right hand.
01:37:17.000 Who KO'd him?
01:37:18.000 It was very...
01:37:21.000 Adriano Martins.
01:37:23.000 Oh, Adriano Martins.
01:37:25.000 Yeah.
01:37:25.000 I'm not sure.
01:37:26.000 Let's see if you can find that fight.
01:37:28.000 October 2015. 2015. So I think that might have even been his UFC debut.
01:37:34.000 No, he had one more before that.
01:37:35.000 He won one fight by submission right before that.
01:37:38.000 And all these guys say, yeah, he hasn't fought anybody.
01:37:41.000 It's like, no one will fight.
01:37:42.000 Everyone was turning him down.
01:37:44.000 He was the boogeyman.
01:37:45.000 Yeah.
01:37:46.000 There's certain guys you hear about from training stories, and you go, jeez.
01:37:50.000 That was Glover.
01:37:51.000 Everybody said that about Glover.
01:37:52.000 Glover was locked out of the United States for six years.
01:37:55.000 Really?
01:37:55.000 He couldn't get a visa.
01:37:56.000 Yeah, when Glover was in his prime. 1.00
01:37:58.000 Damn, that sucks. 1.00
01:37:59.000 We got an after-his-prime Glover. 1.00
01:38:01.000 When Glover was in his prime, he was the boogeyman.
01:38:06.000 Oh, that was quick.
01:38:07.000 Was it that fast? 0.99
01:38:09.000 Oh shit, I didn't realize it was like... 1.00
01:38:12.000 This looks... 1.00
01:38:15.000 Oh, that right hand was clean.
01:38:19.000 I bet that guy's feeling good nowadays.
01:38:24.000 That was a fast right hand. 0.99
01:38:29.000 Damn, that is a clean right hand. 0.99
01:38:32.000 Oh! 1.00
01:38:33.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99
01:38:34.000 Dude, fighting is fucking crazy. 1.00
01:38:36.000 Oh, it's so crazy. 0.99
01:38:38.000 Wonder where that guy's career went after that. 0.94
01:38:41.000 It's crazy. 1.00
01:38:41.000 No, Islam's a fucking... 1.00
01:38:42.000 I think Cowboy KO'd him, too. 1.00
01:38:44.000 Oh, really?
01:38:45.000 Adriano Martins, I think he fought Cowboy.
01:38:47.000 See if that's true.
01:38:48.000 I'll make sure that's true.
01:38:49.000 I think that was a sweet head kick that Donald landed. 0.99
01:38:54.000 Yeah, Donald had some fucking clean kickboxing. 0.99
01:38:56.000 Was it Donald? 0.99
01:38:57.000 Yes.
01:38:57.000 Yes.
01:38:58.000 That's right.
01:38:59.000 In Chicago.
01:38:59.000 Oh, Donald had some amazing head kick KOs.
01:39:02.000 Yeah, he had some...
01:39:03.000 The one against, what was it, Rick Story?
01:39:06.000 Mm-hmm.
01:39:06.000 Oh, my God.
01:39:07.000 The combination?
01:39:08.000 Video game.
01:39:08.000 With a one, two, three head...
01:39:10.000 Yeah.
01:39:11.000 Just overwhelmed him.
01:39:12.000 I think it broke that dude's jaw.
01:39:14.000 He just was so pretty, too.
01:39:15.000 Like, the way he put it together.
01:39:17.000 That was so pretty. 0.99
01:39:18.000 That was a fucking beautiful combination. 0.98
01:39:21.000 You ever go back and watch, like, old WECs? 0.99
01:39:23.000 Here it is.
01:39:26.000 That's that same dude?
01:39:27.000 Yeah.
01:39:28.000 Here it is.
01:39:30.000 Oh, right on the neck! 0.92
01:39:32.000 Dude.
01:39:33.000 Holy.
01:39:33.000 I don't really go back and watch much.
01:39:36.000 There's random ones I'll go back and rewatch.
01:39:39.000 I rewatched recently, like, the Hamzat vs.
01:39:41.000 Gilbert. 1.00
01:39:42.000 That fucking fight was crazy. 1.00
01:39:44.000 That was such a pretty kick. 1.00
01:39:46.000 That was.
01:39:47.000 That turned his lights right off.
01:39:48.000 He did that to Matt Brown too, remember?
01:39:50.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:39:54.000 Fighting's a fucked up sport. 1.00
01:39:55.000 It's a fucked up sport. 1.00
01:39:57.000 It's crazy when people get knocked out cold and come back and keep winning. 1.00
01:40:01.000 That's impressive.
01:40:02.000 What do you think, when you see boxing, and boxing seems to have more deaths than MMA, do you think that's because of the knockdowns?
01:40:11.000 Do you think that's because you get a chance to revitalize and get back?
01:40:16.000 Or do you think it's just punching?
01:40:19.000 Do you think there's anything to the idea that getting knocked down and giving someone an eight count or a ten count to get up and then letting the fight go on That can't be good.
01:40:30.000 That can't be good, right?
01:40:31.000 Yeah, I think a couple things.
01:40:33.000 That definitely is not good.
01:40:35.000 Dude, I had a pro boxing fight a while back and I went to a gym, pro boxing gym.
01:40:40.000 You spar.
01:40:42.000 Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
01:40:43.000 Three times a week.
01:40:44.000 Hard.
01:40:45.000 I think a lot of the damage is in sparring.
01:40:50.000 Then you go in there, get dropped, get back up, get an eight count, get dropped again. 0.97
01:40:54.000 So I think it's probably a mixture between how hard those motherfuckers spar, and then, yeah, the accumulation of getting hit in the head and getting dropped, and then the ref's like, here, we'll let you feel decent enough to be able to continue. 0.98
01:41:05.000 It's hard to watch. 0.98
01:41:07.000 So you think it's probably damage taken in the gym as well, is what's happening in that fight that's causing that?
01:41:12.000 I think so.
01:41:12.000 Do they just get hit more?
01:41:14.000 I watch a lot of boxing, sparring video footage that people put up, and I'm like, Jesus, these guys are fighting.
01:41:21.000 Fighting.
01:41:21.000 Fighting.
01:41:22.000 Yeah, fuck that. 1.00
01:41:22.000 Like, KOing people, and people are hooting and hollering, and people get KO'd. 1.00
01:41:26.000 Yeah.
01:41:27.000 Sometimes, you know, you get these guys, and it's like, you have a crowd.
01:41:31.000 Oh, it's a fight.
01:41:32.000 Yeah, it's really a fight, and you're supposed to be learning how to spar and move and preparing for fights.
01:41:40.000 Yeah, that just is intelligence, like...
01:41:43.000 I guess unless you...
01:41:43.000 Bravado over intelligence, right?
01:41:45.000 Yeah, you just gotta be maybe just more educated on how important the brain is.
01:41:51.000 I mean, it sounds like you should already know.
01:41:53.000 So do you think, like, overall MMA fighters spar less hard than boxers do?
01:41:59.000 That's a good question.
01:42:03.000 I feel like sparring nowadays is getting less and less intense as far as taking care of each other.
01:42:10.000 But if you go to a new gym, these aren't really your boys.
01:42:13.000 It depends who you're sparring.
01:42:14.000 If you're sparring your buddies and stuff, you don't care about them.
01:42:17.000 But if you're sparring some random guy that comes in the gym and is like...
01:42:21.000 I mean, I've done it.
01:42:22.000 New guys come to the gym, now you're in the cage.
01:42:24.000 Because you have in the cage sparring, the hard sparring, and then you have the outside sparring where everyone's kind of going a little bit lighter.
01:42:29.000 But in the cage sparring, if you don't know someone and they come in, it's a fight.
01:42:34.000 It's life or death in there.
01:42:36.000 It shouldn't be, but it is.
01:42:37.000 We're all alphas. 1.00
01:42:38.000 We're fucking killers. 1.00
01:42:39.000 We're all doing the same shit, trying to survive. 1.00
01:42:41.000 And I'm sure you have guys that visit the gym that go there specifically looking to try to spar with a guy like you. 0.99
01:42:46.000 Yeah, I don't really do that.
01:42:49.000 Do you make sure that that doesn't happen?
01:42:50.000 You get to know a guy before you spar with him?
01:42:53.000 I can't remember the last time I've just sparred some random guy.
01:42:56.000 Did you see Sean Strickland?
01:42:59.000 Sparring that boxer. 1.00
01:43:01.000 Some boxer was talking shit to him. 0.99
01:43:03.000 Have you seen it, Jamie? 1.00
01:43:04.000 It's amazing.
01:43:05.000 He took all the shots. 0.99
01:43:06.000 I fucking love that dude. 1.00
01:43:09.000 I think he's so ridiculous. 1.00
01:43:11.000 He's so ridiculous. 1.00
01:43:12.000 He's a fucking character. 1.00
01:43:14.000 He's a character and a half, man. 1.00
01:43:15.000 Look, I'm a fan of characters. 0.99
01:43:17.000 That guy's a character and a half, but that video is so hilarious because this guy was talking shit to him, and so he started sparring him, and he started talking shit. 0.99
01:43:25.000 Watch this. 0.99
01:43:26.000 I do think fucking that's brain damage at its fibers, though. 1.00
01:43:32.000 It's also sparring constantly. 0.99
01:43:35.000 Like, Sean spars so much, his distance control is excellent.
01:43:39.000 Yeah.
01:43:39.000 It's really good, man.
01:43:40.000 Well, wasn't he sparring like a couple weeks after Prehead had knocked him out?
01:43:43.000 I'm sure he was.
01:43:44.000 Like, that's not good. 0.94
01:43:45.000 He's an animal. 1.00
01:43:46.000 Yeah, but a dumb one. 1.00
01:43:49.000 So, the guy was talking shit to him back. 1.00
01:43:53.000 I'm ready to die here. 1.00
01:43:54.000 And then after he was all boys with him, gave him a hundred bucks.
01:43:57.000 Yeah.
01:43:57.000 That was funny.
01:44:02.000 He says fuck you! 1.00
01:44:04.000 He tells him to hit him. 1.00
01:44:07.000 That kid was tough. 0.84
01:44:08.000 He took it.
01:44:09.000 Yeah.
01:44:10.000 Well, I think the guy's a good boxer.
01:44:14.000 But Sean is also quite a bit bigger than him, it looks, too.
01:44:17.000 Yeah.
01:44:18.000 Quite a bit. 1.00
01:44:21.000 Throw that bitch! 1.00
01:44:22.000 Let that bitch go! 1.00
01:44:24.000 Holy... 1.00
01:44:24.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
01:44:25.000 That's an intense dude. 1.00
01:44:26.000 That's intense, man.
01:44:27.000 I wouldn't want to get in the street fire with him.
01:44:29.000 So that guy I knew was the perfect guy for Pajera.
01:44:34.000 When he walks forward like this, and he just keeps that pressure on you, I'm like, that is the guy where Pajeda's gonna shine.
01:44:42.000 And you're gonna get to see.
01:44:43.000 Because everybody sees what Sean Strickland does to people. 0.99
01:44:45.000 He marches motherfuckers down. 1.00
01:44:46.000 He puts that heat on you. 1.00
01:44:48.000 You know?
01:44:49.000 He's a bad man.
01:44:50.000 Very skilled.
01:44:51.000 But Pajeda just was like, let me just find those.
01:44:54.000 There it is.
01:44:56.000 And then two right hands on the way down. 0.90
01:44:58.000 Did you see that?
01:44:58.000 He hit him twice while he was falling.
01:45:02.000 He hits him with the left, he's going, and then twice while he's falling, he right-hands him. 0.99
01:45:08.000 Bro, that guy is fucking terrifying. 0.96
01:45:11.000 There's so many good fighters right now. 0.99
01:45:14.000 The sport is on fire, man.
01:45:16.000 It really is.
01:45:18.000 He's so snappy with those kicks, too.
01:45:20.000 Just gets you thinking, gets you thinking low, and then what?
01:45:23.000 Those kicks come out of nowhere, those calf kicks, man.
01:45:25.000 He does a good job jabbing to the body.
01:45:28.000 Boom, boom.
01:45:29.000 He hits him twice on the way down. 0.99
01:45:31.000 He jabs to the body and then fucking comes over the top with that left hook. 1.00
01:45:35.000 It's so beautiful. 1.00
01:45:36.000 That left hook is nuclear.
01:45:37.000 I was watching Pajeta Highlights this camp before sparring, getting the mindset.
01:45:43.000 It's crazy just for even sparring.
01:45:44.000 You've got to prepare like it's a fight.
01:45:46.000 For me, I prepare every Saturday.
01:45:49.000 I'm making that walk. 0.99
01:45:51.000 I'm going to fucking... 1.00
01:45:52.000 You got to get into that same headspace because getting into that headspace is a fucking skill of its own. 1.00
01:45:57.000 Getting into that zone, into that... 0.98
01:45:58.000 When you're in the cage sparring, being able to just be sparring, just sparring.
01:46:04.000 It's a skill. 0.96
01:46:05.000 Some people go in there and you're sparring and you're fucking thinking about something else or something hurts and you're thinking about it. 0.66
01:46:10.000 But yeah, I was watching a bunch of Paheta highlights before sparring, getting into that mindset. 0.78
01:46:16.000 Yeah.
01:46:17.000 Have you evolved your way of preparing for sparring to mimic fights?
01:46:25.000 Or have you come up with something that you do when you're training that you do during fights in your mind?
01:46:30.000 Like how you prepare your mind?
01:46:32.000 For like a specific fighter, or what do you mean?
01:46:35.000 Just like when you know you're making the walk.
01:46:36.000 Do you have like a specific headset, headspace you put yourself in?
01:46:41.000 For me, I always get to the gym early.
01:46:43.000 I always do like, especially for sparring, because you get in the back and you're sitting there, you can sit there for an hour, two hours.
01:46:49.000 So I go to the gym early, kind of just sit around, stretch, warm up, I'll have some headphones on, play.
01:46:55.000 Leading up to the fight, I'm very, very calm.
01:46:59.000 I'll be listening to some Jack Johnson, something just like, something relaxing, something that makes me feel relaxed until it's time to, okay, let's start warming up for real.
01:47:07.000 We've got 30 minutes of the fight, then I'll throw in some other music, get my head space then and start warming up.
01:47:15.000 It's, uh...
01:47:16.000 I don't know.
01:47:17.000 It's nothing...
01:47:19.000 Just always the same.
01:47:20.000 I just make...
01:47:21.000 What I've gotten a lot better at is warming up.
01:47:23.000 It just helps so much with preventing injuries for everything.
01:47:26.000 Going into sparring or going into competition training or wrestling or whatever it is.
01:47:30.000 But just getting to the gym always like 30 minutes before class starts, before the warm-up.
01:47:35.000 So I'd probably say it's...
01:47:37.000 Long warm-ups, long warm-ups.
01:47:39.000 So the long warm-ups, also you're preparing your mind.
01:47:42.000 Yeah.
01:47:42.000 You're getting your mind right while you're stretching out.
01:47:44.000 And that's through, and every time it's just following my breath, nasal.
01:47:47.000 I feel like that helps me quiet the mind. 0.93
01:47:51.000 Might not be just fucking blank with no thoughts, but... 0.95
01:47:54.000 there's a lot less thoughts. 0.96
01:47:56.000 The thoughts are slower rather than so many random thoughts.
01:47:59.000 Just breathing, getting into my meditation, kind of just getting into my breath.
01:48:03.000 I feel like there's a bridge between just like the craziness and then the flow, and I get there through breath.
01:48:09.000 It's like a bridge to that space.
01:48:10.000 So before every session, especially sparring, is breath work, whether it's long, just inhales and holds, exhales, holds, just kind of playing with the breath like it's a game.
01:48:24.000 rather than just thinking and not concentrating on the breath.
01:48:28.000 Yeah.
01:48:29.000 And when you're warming up, do you have a specific routine that you follow every day?
01:48:33.000 Do you have like a whole series of movements that you do to try to get everything loose or do you just kind of flow?
01:48:38.000 I always hit, I'll warm up like 10 minutes on the air dime just before I start stretching.
01:48:42.000 And it depends if my lower left back's a little bit more sore, I'll kind of focus on that.
01:48:47.000 Hit cat-cows, hit certain positions, just breathe into it.
01:48:50.000 Or if my knee's more sore, I'll really focus on my knee more so.
01:48:53.000 So it's not a specific set of stretches or anything.
01:48:57.000 It's kind of more of how I'm feeling that day. 1.00
01:48:59.000 The airdyne is the shit. 1.00
01:49:00.000 It is. 1.00
01:49:01.000 I have that Rogue version, the Echo bike. 0.99
01:49:05.000 It's the shit because even if you're hurt, like if your foot's hurt, you could do it. 0.99
01:49:08.000 Your knee's hurt, you could do it. 1.00
01:49:10.000 You got a back problem. 1.00
01:49:11.000 Get on that fucking thing. 1.00
01:49:12.000 You could still do it. 1.00
01:49:13.000 It's the most low impact to me and the hardest shit to do. 0.99
01:49:16.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:49:17.000 I love running in camp.
01:49:18.000 I love doing sprints. 0.99
01:49:19.000 I feel like that's where I really can feel like my cardio improves is doing the fucking hard sprints. 0.98
01:49:24.000 But there's been camps where my knee's fucked up. 0.98
01:49:26.000 I'm like, I gotta do the airdyne. 1.00
01:49:28.000 I'm like, fuck! 1.00
01:49:29.000 That fucking thing is torturous. 1.00
01:49:31.000 Dude, it really is. 1.00
01:49:32.000 That thing's a motherfucker. 1.00
01:49:33.000 Do you do any plyometrics or anything to increase your foot strength and movement? 0.99
01:49:38.000 Yeah, Brandon will have me doing stuff like that.
01:49:40.000 Stand on one foot, then jump sideways up, doing box jumps, shit like that.
01:49:47.000 Definitely do stuff like that. 0.76
01:49:48.000 I think all that kind of plyometrics...
01:49:50.000 Do you know who Nick Curzon is?
01:49:52.000 He's the guy from Speed of Sport. 0.97
01:49:54.000 He worked with Rafael Dos Anjos when Dos Anjos was in his prime, when he was like really fucking fucking everybody up. 0.95
01:50:00.000 People forgot that too! 0.97
01:50:02.000 Rafael Dos Anjos! 0.96
01:50:04.000 Remember when he took apart Neil Magny, just fucking leg kicked him, took him to the ground, strangled him? 1.00
01:50:08.000 Dude, Dos Anjos was an Animal! 1.00
01:50:10.000 It's a black belt all around fire. 1.00
01:50:12.000 Oh my god, he was a fucking animal. 1.00
01:50:13.000 He's fighting Brian Barina. 1.00
01:50:15.000 Great fight. 0.99
01:50:16.000 Brian's a good fucking dude. 1.00
01:50:17.000 He's a tough motherfucker, man. 1.00
01:50:19.000 When he knocked out Robbie Lauro, I was like, oh shit. 1.00
01:50:21.000 Yeah, that was on my cards. 0.99
01:50:23.000 So this is Nick Kurson.
01:50:25.000 He's been on the podcast before in the past too.
01:50:27.000 Very interesting training philosophy.
01:50:29.000 And he comes from that Marv Marinovich school. 0.99
01:50:32.000 Marv Marinovich was the guy who got BJ Penn in shape when BJ was in his fucking prime. 0.89
01:50:37.000 There was a few fights where BJ trained with the Marinovichs and they just forced him to get in insane shape. 0.92
01:50:44.000 Because BJ loved to fight, he was super talented, but he didn't really want to train the way they wanted him to train.
01:50:51.000 They wanted him to train this way.
01:50:53.000 So it's all plyos and They all come from this school.
01:50:57.000 This is the school of thought.
01:50:59.000 You already know how to fight.
01:51:01.000 You know how to fight.
01:51:02.000 That should be the least of your concern in camp.
01:51:05.000 In camp, you should be getting in the most insane physical shape you possibly can.
01:51:10.000 And his thing was like that training skills is secondary.
01:51:13.000 You already have these skills.
01:51:15.000 But if you could get yourself to fucking insane levels of physical fitness at an elite level, he felt like that's the correct compromise.
01:51:25.000 But yeah, I think for me, like when I do most of my cardio, it's doing the actual sport. 0.95
01:51:30.000 You know, whether it's sparring or hitting mitts and then having someone grapple and it's just fucking, then you have to hit mitts again, then someone's on your back.
01:51:37.000 Or just wrestling, like just doing the actual sport for cardio, you can't beat that. 0.88
01:51:43.000 Well, that's George St. Pierre's approach.
01:51:45.000 George St. Pierre told me that after a while he realized that efficiency was the most important.
01:51:49.000 And so that getting really good at the movements, you had less energy you were exerting, you were more efficient.
01:51:55.000 Gordon Ryan says the same thing.
01:51:57.000 Gordon obviously is in amazing shape, but he's also very efficient.
01:52:01.000 And that efficiency comes from just insane levels of repetitions and drills.
01:52:06.000 So there's like a saying, like George's position is kind of the opposite of Nick Curzon's, but they both, I think they both have, there's a positive to both approaches.
01:52:16.000 Because if you're not, if you already have efficiency, like so you get to a level like where you're at right now, if you took six weeks and just had a wild strength and conditioning camp, you're not going to lose any efficiency.
01:52:25.000 Right.
01:52:26.000 You already have a completely tuned in body.
01:52:28.000 You're already very aware of your skill set.
01:52:30.000 Yeah. 0.93
01:52:30.000 So if you just got ramped up into the most fucking psychotic state of physical fitness possible, How much would you lose of what you already have? 0.93
01:52:39.000 I don't think you'd lose much. 0.98
01:52:41.000 I don't think you'd lose much, but dude, there's nothing that gets you in shape for fighting than fighting.
01:52:45.000 Nope, that's true.
01:52:46.000 There's nothing. 0.99
01:52:47.000 Like, you can go do the six weeks of fucking crazy cardio and then go do three fives in the cage sparring and be fucking gassed. 0.99
01:52:53.000 Right. 0.96
01:52:54.000 That's what's interesting too is like this next fight, my next fight 100% I'm fighting for a title.
01:52:58.000 I don't know who it is.
01:52:59.000 I don't care if it's Henry.
01:52:59.000 I don't care if it's Aljo.
01:53:00.000 I'm fighting for a title 100%.
01:53:01.000 So if they give you, what if they say you and Cheeto for an interim title?
01:53:06.000 Would you go for an interim title?
01:53:07.000 Yeah, 100%.
01:53:08.000 But they're They're not.
01:53:10.000 Unless Alger was injured.
01:53:11.000 Alger's obviously not injured and he's capable of fighting so they wouldn't do that. 1.00
01:53:15.000 But yes, I would fight 100%.
01:53:17.000 But 5-5s.
01:53:18.000 Never fought 5-5s.
01:53:19.000 Never fought main event.
01:53:20.000 Never been 5 rounds.
01:53:21.000 So that's going to be a super interesting.
01:53:23.000 And I've been the last 3-4 fights in sparring.
01:53:26.000 Hey, let's do an extra round. 0.98
01:53:27.000 Let's go on that outside hit mitts for an extra 2 rounds. 1.00
01:53:30.000 Let's kind of start.
01:53:31.000 So we've been preparing for that.
01:53:32.000 But that's crazy.
01:53:34.000 Five fives is the next one.
01:53:37.000 Dude, that's like fighting twice as long damn near. 0.94
01:53:41.000 That's a fucking long time to fight extra. 0.99
01:53:44.000 And depending upon the amount of damage you took in the first two, you're fighting fucked up legs, fucked up ribs. 1.00
01:53:53.000 Chael Sonnen said it best. 0.99
01:53:54.000 He really did.
01:53:55.000 He said, no human being is supposed to fight for 25 minutes.
01:53:58.000 He's like, you can't.
01:54:00.000 You can't fight for 25 minutes.
01:54:01.000 So you've got to pace yourself.
01:54:02.000 You've got to figure it out.
01:54:03.000 But no one's going 100% for 25 minutes.
01:54:05.000 You just can't do it.
01:54:06.000 It's too much time.
01:54:07.000 Yeah.
01:54:08.000 And then you see some of those guys. 0.93
01:54:09.000 I think, what was it, Colby versus Kamaru, their 5'5s was super fucking high pace. 0.98
01:54:15.000 There's some that are just insanely fucking... 0.99
01:54:18.000 I think Gamera versus someone was just an insane fucking main event. 0.96
01:54:21.000 Well, you know, that's also the argument about wrestling, right? 0.97
01:54:24.000 Like, if you watch wrestlers, imagine if wrestling was no time limit.
01:54:30.000 It'd be a completely different game.
01:54:32.000 You could never go at each other the way you're growing at each other.
01:54:34.000 Because you know you can't keep that up.
01:54:37.000 You're doing that because you know you have a time period in which they're gonna blow the whistle and the time's up.
01:54:42.000 And you either win or you don't win in that time period. 0.84
01:54:44.000 But if you had, like, Gordon does those no time limit matches, and that's a mindfuck and a half. 0.89
01:54:51.000 God. 0.99
01:54:52.000 That's a mind fuck and a half. 1.00
01:54:53.000 Like, Felipe Pena. 1.00
01:54:55.000 I saw that one.
01:54:55.000 Or I skimmed through it and didn't watch the whole thing, but yeah.
01:54:58.000 He's a fucking world champion and he quits at 45 minutes. 0.99
01:55:03.000 I'm like, I'm done. 1.00
01:55:03.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:55:04.000 That was like a couple days after he found out.
01:55:06.000 Yes, Leandro Lowe was. 1.00
01:55:08.000 That was, I can't imagine fucking. 0.99
01:55:09.000 No, I couldn't imagine that either. 0.99
01:55:11.000 Even competing like that, but still.
01:55:12.000 Well, they're going to do it again.
01:55:14.000 Are they?
01:55:14.000 Yeah, they're doing it again.
01:55:15.000 Yeah, I think they're doing it again in Texas.
01:55:18.000 I think, find out that.
01:55:21.000 They just announced that maybe it's on Who's Number One's website, because I think it's a Who's Number One event.
01:55:26.000 But I think they're going to do the same thing.
01:55:28.000 No time limits.
01:55:30.000 It's crazy because, yeah.
01:55:31.000 You want to go?
01:55:31.000 I'd go.
01:55:32.000 I'd go watch.
01:55:33.000 I would definitely go watch that. 0.99
01:55:34.000 I think watching in person would be a lot more entertaining than watching on a computer because then you're watching and you're like, well, I could go fuck around for 20 minutes. 0.99
01:55:40.000 When is this? 0.99
01:55:40.000 November? 0.99
01:55:41.000 When is it?
01:55:42.000 No, that's the date that they announced.
01:55:44.000 February 25th.
01:55:45.000 A couple days ago.
01:55:46.000 February 25th.
01:55:48.000 Yeah.
01:55:48.000 And where is that going to be at?
01:55:50.000 Oh.
01:55:51.000 I felt like someone said that it was going to be in...
01:55:53.000 Costa Mesa, California?
01:55:54.000 Oh, it's in...
01:55:56.000 Oh yeah, okay.
01:55:57.000 So it isn't...
01:55:58.000 Okay.
01:55:59.000 Costa Mesa.
01:56:00.000 I wonder if they have a couple good matches on that.
01:56:03.000 I'm sure they do.
01:56:04.000 They always do.
01:56:05.000 Yeah.
01:56:05.000 Who's number one is awesome.
01:56:06.000 When it's in Texas, it's the shit. 1.00
01:56:08.000 Because they were doing it during COVID in these hotel ballrooms. 1.00
01:56:14.000 Oh shit. 1.00
01:56:14.000 With fucking no one there. 1.00
01:56:15.000 It was like me and Lex Friedman went to one of the first events, and we're sitting there. 0.99
01:56:19.000 We have chairs right at the front of the mat, and there's no one in the crowd.
01:56:24.000 And then it slowly started letting more people in the crowd, and after a while they put up bleachers.
01:56:28.000 Yeah, yeah, basically the same thing.
01:56:30.000 But it was amazing.
01:56:31.000 That's when I first saw Mikey Musumeci compete. 1.00
01:56:34.000 That motherfucker is scary too. 0.99
01:56:35.000 Ooh, he's amazing. 1.00
01:56:37.000 Amazing.
01:56:37.000 Amazing.
01:56:38.000 Listening to him on the pod, he's a character.
01:56:40.000 He's so nice.
01:56:41.000 Yeah, he's so nice.
01:56:42.000 Such a sweet guy.
01:56:44.000 You should see how he sits. 1.00
01:56:45.000 Was he just sitting there like fucking... 1.00
01:56:47.000 No, on the ground, he can sit on the ground where his butt is touching the ground and his knees are bent like a frog. 1.00
01:56:54.000 Like you can't believe it. 0.78
01:56:55.000 Perfect jiu-jitsu body, just like...
01:56:57.000 You can't believe you can...
01:56:58.000 Didn't I take a photo of it and I put it on my Instagram?
01:57:02.000 There's a photo of it.
01:57:03.000 I'm 99% sure I put it on my Instagram.
01:57:05.000 But he's sitting there and you're like, how are you doing that?
01:57:08.000 That's not even possible.
01:57:09.000 He's not very big, right?
01:57:10.000 No.
01:57:11.000 Well, he's thin, but he's like very ripped.
01:57:15.000 You know, like if you see him without a shirt on, you'd go, what is this guy eating?
01:57:18.000 Oh, only pizza?
01:57:20.000 Pizza and spaghetti?
01:57:22.000 Yeah, that's positive. 1.00
01:57:24.000 He's fucking shredded. 0.99
01:57:25.000 Is he pretty young? 1.00
01:57:26.000 Yeah, he's like 25. He lives in Singapore now.
01:57:29.000 And he's competing for one, for one championship.
01:57:32.000 Oh, that's right. 0.98
01:57:33.000 They're doing legitimate crap over there. 0.93
01:57:35.000 Do I have it on my phone, maybe? 0.87
01:57:38.000 Is that what it is?
01:57:39.000 Yeah, it's good for those guys to start making money.
01:57:41.000 I just am so curious where jiu-jitsu is going to go.
01:57:43.000 What month was that, Jamie, that he was here?
01:57:45.000 Do you know that?
01:57:45.000 I know it's when I got COVID. Was it?
01:57:49.000 I don't remember.
01:57:49.000 Was that when you got COVID the second time?
01:57:51.000 Yeah.
01:57:52.000 Did you get COVID at all?
01:57:54.000 I don't know.
01:57:56.000 I definitely feel like I had the symptoms at one point.
01:57:59.000 I know I got tested once and it said negative.
01:58:02.000 I never took a positive test to confirm if I had it or not.
01:58:06.000 So you didn't have a hard go of it?
01:58:08.000 Dude, yeah, my life didn't change at all, like, those whole two years.
01:58:11.000 I bought a cage, put it in a warehouse, like, we trained like nothing was going on, fought in the UFC three times, like, it was just, Thane is such a legend for doing that.
01:58:21.000 Amazing that he did that, right? 0.99
01:58:23.000 Such a fucking legend. 1.00
01:58:24.000 Because he took so much heat. 1.00
01:58:25.000 There were so many people that were mad.
01:58:27.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:58:28.000 For him to say, fuck it, I'm throwing up fights. 1.00
01:58:30.000 He would have done it at an Indian reservation. 1.00
01:58:32.000 He would have done it no matter what.
01:58:34.000 Well, they were going to do it at an Indian reservation like the week that COVID was out.
01:58:38.000 I thought it was crazy.
01:58:40.000 It was like July.
01:58:41.000 July?
01:58:42.000 Oh, what time of July?
01:58:43.000 It was around the 4th of July.
01:58:45.000 Oh, okay.
01:58:45.000 Perfect.
01:58:47.000 All right.
01:58:48.000 I got it here.
01:58:49.000 Give me one second.
01:58:50.000 There it is.
01:58:51.000 Bam.
01:58:51.000 Got it.
01:58:52.000 Jamie, coming your way.
01:58:54.000 It's hilarious. 0.99
01:58:55.000 You look at him, you're like, how the fuck is that even a humanly possible thing to do with your legs? 0.99
01:59:03.000 I'm pumped to see this. 0.99
01:59:04.000 Watch this picture.
01:59:07.000 Now, after this, I want you to try this.
01:59:11.000 Okay. 1.00
01:59:12.000 What the fuck? 1.00
01:59:15.000 His feet are on the ground. 1.00
01:59:17.000 His butt's on the ground. 0.80
01:59:19.000 And his feet are touching. 0.96
01:59:20.000 His knees are touching each other in the middle. 1.00
01:59:22.000 What the fuck? 1.00
01:59:23.000 I was trying to picture it when you were saying it. 1.00
01:59:25.000 Bro, what is that?
01:59:26.000 How is that possible?
01:59:27.000 How can you do that?
01:59:28.000 That's some weird knee dexterity. 1.00
01:59:30.000 What the fuck? 0.99
01:59:31.000 Weird everything dexterity. 1.00
01:59:32.000 Look at how his knees are going back sideways.
01:59:34.000 And his feet are almost like flat.
01:59:35.000 Like, I would tap.
01:59:36.000 If you put my knee in that position, the right knee, I would tap.
01:59:40.000 I'd be like, I'm tapping.
01:59:41.000 He's touching his quads to each other.
01:59:42.000 Dude, that's nuts.
01:59:44.000 On the top.
01:59:44.000 That's absolutely nuts.
01:59:45.000 Yeah, that's fucking weird. 0.99
01:59:46.000 It doesn't seem like you should be able to sit like that. 0.98
01:59:48.000 And he was just doing that to be comfortable.
01:59:50.000 To be comfortable.
01:59:51.000 He just sat down.
01:59:52.000 He just sat down.
01:59:54.000 He just sat down and he was like looking at his phone. 0.99
01:59:56.000 And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing, Mikey? 1.00
01:59:59.000 This is crazy. 1.00
02:00:00.000 How do you sit like that?
02:00:02.000 Have you ever seen anybody that can do that?
02:00:05.000 When I was seven, there were some kids that sat weird like that.
02:00:09.000 Like, double-joined.
02:00:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:00:10.000 Like, little kids that were super weird like that.
02:00:12.000 Yeah, but not, like, world jiu-jitsu champions.
02:00:14.000 Yeah, no.
02:00:14.000 That was their feet on the ground, though, too.
02:00:15.000 Bro, when he gets mount on people, it's like he's got arms.
02:00:18.000 It's like he's got two giant arms down where his legs should be that are holding people down.
02:00:23.000 Yeah, I mean, that's got to benefit your jiu-jitsu for sure.
02:00:26.000 For sure.
02:00:26.000 He probably can sit like that because of jiu-jitsu.
02:00:28.000 Oh, 100%.
02:00:28.000 100%.
02:00:29.000 Well, he's been doing jiu-jitsu since he was a little kid.
02:00:32.000 And he's another one.
02:00:33.000 He's a seven-day-a-week, 12-hour-a-day guy. 0.96
02:00:36.000 He's nuts, man, with it.
02:00:37.000 His approach is super interesting. 0.91
02:00:38.000 The guys he trains with, the hobbyists.
02:00:41.000 Look at this flexibility, too. 0.99
02:00:42.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99
02:00:43.000 His hands are over his feet? 1.00
02:00:45.000 That's weird. 1.00
02:00:47.000 That's fucked. 0.99
02:00:48.000 His feet are in his elbows, almost. 1.00
02:00:49.000 Yeah, I don't even know how that's possible.
02:00:52.000 Anatomically, I don't know how that's possible.
02:00:54.000 Do you even stretch, bro?
02:00:55.000 Yeah, I mean, that's insane.
02:00:57.000 Yeah, I wonder if that's jeans, too.
02:01:00.000 You know, having that kind of flexibility and leg dexterity is so important in grappling.
02:01:06.000 Eddie Bravo has the craziest flexibility.
02:01:10.000 Still, even?
02:01:10.000 Oh, yeah.
02:01:11.000 Really? 0.99
02:01:11.000 Yeah, I mean, he's got knee problems and shit. 0.99
02:01:13.000 He's had some meniscus tears and shit. 0.99
02:01:16.000 100% of the people that sit that way. 0.99
02:01:18.000 But that's not the same thing he was doing.
02:01:19.000 That's not as bad, though.
02:01:20.000 Because he's got his knees spread apart.
02:01:22.000 The other one, his feet were on the ground, and his legs were touching in the center, which is insane.
02:01:27.000 I can sit like that.
02:01:28.000 I can sit like that. 1.00
02:01:30.000 That other shit was preposterous. 1.00
02:01:33.000 His feet were flat on the ground. 1.00
02:01:34.000 I feel like your knee would fucking just pop or some shit. 0.99
02:01:36.000 It's not supposed to be there. 0.99
02:01:38.000 Well, if you can get your body to be that flexible, though, and then have dexterity like that, you can do so much shit off your back. 0.53
02:01:46.000 You can do so much stuff with guard techniques.
02:01:50.000 Guys who have really...
02:01:52.000 That was a BJ Penn thing, too.
02:01:54.000 BJ was crazy flexible.
02:01:56.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:01:56.000 You know, and if you're with a guy and, you know, you get on top of a guy and all of a sudden you're in a terrible position, like there's certain guys, if you are on your back and, you know, you're trying, like Fabrizio Verdum, if you were in that guy's guard, you're in deep shit. 0.99
02:02:12.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:02:12.000 That guy fucking tapped everybody. 0.99
02:02:14.000 Think of who Fabrizio Verdum tapped. 1.00
02:02:16.000 He tapped Minotauro.
02:02:17.000 He tapped Cain Velasquez.
02:02:19.000 He tapped Fedor when Fedor was Fedor.
02:02:23.000 That's crazy. 1.00
02:02:23.000 He tapped Fedor in his fucking prime when Fedor was a murderer. 1.00
02:02:28.000 Damn. 1.00
02:02:28.000 And he caught him in a triangle. 1.00
02:02:30.000 Did he retire?
02:02:32.000 Fabricio?
02:02:32.000 I don't know what Fabricio's doing.
02:02:34.000 He's not in the UFC anymore.
02:02:36.000 Oh, okay.
02:02:36.000 Let's see what he's up to.
02:02:37.000 Yeah.
02:02:37.000 Somewhere else.
02:02:38.000 Fucking Vox and Floyd next or something? 0.99
02:02:40.000 I don't know what he's doing. 0.99
02:02:41.000 I don't know what he's doing.
02:02:42.000 But, you know, when you talk about legends, you've got to include Fabricio Verdun because that guy...
02:02:46.000 He tapped everybody.
02:02:47.000 He tapped all the killers.
02:02:49.000 I remember when he tapped Cain.
02:02:50.000 That was the only one I would watch, but that was crazy.
02:02:52.000 And that was one where it was in Mexico City.
02:02:55.000 And Cain didn't adequately prepare for the altitude.
02:02:58.000 Oh, that's right.
02:02:59.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:03:00.000 He had went out early.
02:03:01.000 Yeah.
02:03:02.000 Verdun went to the mountains.
02:03:04.000 And he was there for, like, months.
02:03:06.000 He was there for several months.
02:03:08.000 I'll never fight in altitude.
02:03:09.000 Bro, that's crazy altitude.
02:03:10.000 I'll never do it.
02:03:11.000 It's also Mexico City, which is wildly polluted.
02:03:15.000 Oof, yeah.
02:03:15.000 The air quality.
02:03:17.000 Dude, I took photos when we were landing on my airplane.
02:03:23.000 And it's insane.
02:03:24.000 It looks like there's a fire. 0.88
02:03:25.000 I mean, L.A. even, when you come in, it looks disgusting.
02:03:28.000 It's way worse than L.A.? Way worse than L.A. I think I wrote on Instagram, this is L.A. in the future. 0.77
02:03:34.000 L.A., I mean, it's probably a good way to look at it.
02:03:36.000 When you have just complete, like, people are like, oh, regulations ruining everything.
02:03:41.000 The Look at what happens when you don't have regulated air quality.
02:03:45.000 You don't have, like, regulated emission standards. 0.98
02:03:47.000 Like, that is fucking important, kids. 0.99
02:03:49.000 Those poor people that live there that probably don't even know any better that just fucking... 1.00
02:03:53.000 Of course they don't know. 1.00
02:03:54.000 You don't even notice it when you're in there.
02:03:56.000 That's what's crazy.
02:03:57.000 Just flying in?
02:03:57.000 No, air, yeah.
02:03:58.000 Flying in, you see it.
02:03:59.000 But once you're in the city, you're just in the city.
02:04:01.000 Yeah.
02:04:01.000 It's just, like, the air quality's terrible.
02:04:04.000 So these people, they just get accustomed to it.
02:04:06.000 See if you can find those photos.
02:04:07.000 Like, I took a photo, like, flying in from Mexico City. 0.99
02:04:11.000 Damn. 0.99
02:04:12.000 But it's a terrible place to be out of gas. 1.00
02:04:16.000 If you're a fighter, and you're in Mexico City, and you're tired, whoo!
02:04:20.000 That'll test you.
02:04:21.000 That's the worst thing.
02:04:22.000 A fighter's biggest fear is literally just gassing out.
02:04:26.000 Yeah. 0.98
02:04:26.000 Like, that's the fucking most terrifying thing. 0.98
02:04:28.000 Look at that photo. 0.99
02:04:29.000 Jesus. 0.99
02:04:30.000 And that's just a normal fucking day, huh? 0.99
02:04:33.000 That's a normal day. 0.99
02:04:34.000 Regular day.
02:04:34.000 That's not a fire.
02:04:36.000 That's so fucked up. 1.00
02:04:37.000 Bro, it was so fucked up when we were flying in. 1.00
02:04:39.000 I was like, oh my god. 0.99
02:04:41.000 And I didn't want to say anything.
02:04:42.000 I didn't want to freak out anybody on the plane.
02:04:44.000 Yeah.
02:04:45.000 But I wanted to be like, what? 0.99
02:04:46.000 If I was with a friend, I'd probably be like, bro, what the fuck are they breathing? 0.99
02:04:50.000 Yeah, that's What are these people breathing? 1.00
02:04:52.000 That's just insane.
02:04:53.000 Walking around with a portable air filter around you at all times? 1.00
02:04:56.000 Yeah, what the fuck? 1.00
02:04:57.000 I mean, that shit takes years off your life. 1.00
02:04:59.000 Like, they know that's true. 1.00
02:05:00.000 They know that people that live in big cities, they have a decreased life expectancy due to the effects of all the pollution.
02:05:06.000 Did you ever watch the...
02:05:08.000 I know there was Narcos, the Columbia one.
02:05:09.000 Did you ever watch El Chapo on Netflix?
02:05:12.000 No, I didn't. 1.00
02:05:12.000 Fuck, it's so good. 1.00
02:05:14.000 Is it a documentary? 1.00
02:05:15.000 No, it was like a series.
02:05:18.000 Oh, El Chapo?
02:05:20.000 Yeah, it's so crazy.
02:05:21.000 I was watching them, like, you couldn't make that up. 1.00
02:05:24.000 And like, that's real fucking shit. 0.99
02:05:27.000 How about the fact that Sean Penn goes over there and interviews? 1.00
02:05:30.000 Yeah!
02:05:31.000 What...
02:05:33.000 Balls, that Sean Penn have.
02:05:35.000 Sean Penn goes and interviews him there, and then, in the middle of the Ukraine war with Russia, flies to Ukraine.
02:05:42.000 Wait, do you have him on?
02:05:43.000 No, I've never had him on, no.
02:05:45.000 Oh, okay.
02:05:45.000 I've never met him.
02:05:46.000 Okay, you had someone that went to Ukraine.
02:05:48.000 Oh, Lex Friedman went to Ukraine.
02:05:50.000 It wasn't Lex, it was some...
02:05:51.000 The guy who got out in jail. 0.98
02:05:54.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a fucking interesting pod. 0.97
02:05:57.000 What was that guy's name? 0.99
02:06:01.000 But yeah, fucking Charlie Walker. 1.00
02:06:03.000 Yes, Charlie Walker. 1.00
02:06:05.000 Yeah, that was a crazy story.
02:06:06.000 He got arrested over there.
02:06:10.000 He's lucky he got out. 0.99
02:06:12.000 What they're doing now to Brittany Griner is fucking insane. 0.99
02:06:15.000 They moved her to a penal colony, man. 0.99
02:06:18.000 What's that?
02:06:19.000 It's like slave labor.
02:06:21.000 No way.
02:06:21.000 Like, you're in a labor camp.
02:06:23.000 Dude, yeah, that's so sad.
02:06:25.000 Penal colony.
02:06:27.000 I can't imagine that.
02:06:27.000 Like, where?
02:06:28.000 Where is this thing? 0.97
02:06:29.000 You know, they'll fucking literally move you to Siberia. 0.98
02:06:33.000 Oh. 0.99
02:06:34.000 And you live in prison in Siberia.
02:06:37.000 Yeah, she's... 0.99
02:06:38.000 Like on Stranger Things.
02:06:40.000 Remember?
02:06:40.000 When the dude gets arrested in Russia?
02:06:42.000 I watched Stranger Things first series and then never rewatched.
02:06:45.000 This is where they're moving her to? 0.65
02:06:46.000 Jesus Christ.
02:06:48.000 How grim is that?
02:06:49.000 I wonder.
02:06:50.000 Look at it, it's frozen.
02:06:51.000 The Republic of Mordovia, Russia on Friday.
02:06:55.000 You think she ever gets back to America? 1.00
02:06:56.000 Fuck, dude, look at that. 1.00
02:06:58.000 Do you know how disappointed you- It looks so sad. 1.00
02:07:00.000 You know, like, there's gotta be a hope in your head.
02:07:02.000 Like, look, I'm pretty famous.
02:07:04.000 United States is gonna take care of me. 0.84
02:07:06.000 Nope.
02:07:07.000 How long has it been?
02:07:07.000 It's been a damn near year, right?
02:07:09.000 It's been a long time. 1.00
02:07:10.000 Fuck. 1.00
02:07:10.000 Imagine she gets out. 1.00
02:07:11.000 I mean, it's been several months.
02:07:13.000 How long has she been in there for?
02:07:14.000 Over nine?
02:07:15.000 Has it been nine months?
02:07:16.000 It's got to have been.
02:07:18.000 I feel like that was early this year.
02:07:21.000 For a vape pen.
02:07:22.000 I know.
02:07:23.000 Was it CBD, too?
02:07:24.000 I don't know what it was. 1.00
02:07:25.000 Fuck. 1.00
02:07:26.000 I don't know what it was, but that's straight insanity. 1.00
02:07:29.000 Yeah, that's so sad.
02:07:30.000 If you want us to be sympathetic, that is the wrong way.
02:07:33.000 Yeah.
02:07:33.000 If you want to fire people up to the fact that you have a totally cruel and evil organization that's running your country that's willing to take some innocent woman and use her as a pawn politically and put her in a penal colony...
02:07:47.000 And if that's just the laws over there, that's our laws. 0.99
02:07:51.000 Well, those laws suck. 1.00
02:07:54.000 Those laws fucking suck. 1.00
02:07:56.000 You got a law like that where you have a vape pen and you go to a penal colony? 1.00
02:08:03.000 That's justice?
02:08:04.000 Like, how do you want the world to be sympathetic to you when you'll take some woman who's a professional athlete and a basketball player? 0.98
02:08:11.000 And especially when it's something like cannabis.
02:08:13.000 Like, you know there's health benefits to that, particularly for athletes.
02:08:16.000 Yeah.
02:08:17.000 For athletes, it reduces inflammation.
02:08:19.000 A lot of athletes like to smoke weed.
02:08:21.000 Yeah.
02:08:21.000 It's not bad for you.
02:08:22.000 And it's not bad for the culture and bad for people.
02:08:25.000 So, like, why are you putting her in a penal colony? 0.90
02:08:28.000 I mean, it's no different than coffee.
02:08:29.000 It's just kind of the opposite.
02:08:31.000 Coffee, you know, you drink in the morning, get jazzed up, weed, smoke, kind of shows you out, makes you think a little different.
02:08:35.000 Unless you get a hold of one of them Joey Diaz, stars of death.
02:08:38.000 Oh, God.
02:08:39.000 Oh, God.
02:08:47.000 Man, if we give up a basketball player for a mass murderer...
02:08:54.000 I mean, is he a mass murderer or is he just an arms dealer?
02:08:57.000 He's like, he didn't do anything.
02:08:58.000 He just sold them to people.
02:09:00.000 That killed people. 1.00
02:09:00.000 He's like, hey, bro, I'm basically like fucking... 1.00
02:09:03.000 I'm not a bad guy. 0.99
02:09:05.000 Winchester or something. 0.99
02:09:06.000 I'm just selling shit. 0.99
02:09:07.000 Do you think if you make drugs legal, there'll be more... 1.00
02:09:10.000 Less people dying from fentanyl, but there's more addicts?
02:09:15.000 Or do you think...
02:09:17.000 It's crazy how all these people are dying.
02:09:21.000 They're risking it knowing that just a little bit of fentanyl could be in there.
02:09:24.000 But if it's legal and it's regulated, then you get whatever you're trying to get.
02:09:28.000 There's no fentanyl in it.
02:09:29.000 You know that.
02:09:30.000 Are you going to have people more addicted because it's easier accessible but less deaths?
02:09:36.000 Or do you think that...
02:09:38.000 It's gonna benefit just like less deaths and, you know, less crime.
02:09:44.000 It's hard to say.
02:09:44.000 I hate to make this quote again, but Thomas Sowell had this thing, there's no solutions, there's just compromises.
02:09:50.000 Ooh, yeah, that's fucking accurate. 0.86
02:09:53.000 And in these situations, these complex situations like drugs, if you do make drugs legal, for sure people are gonna die. 0.97
02:09:59.000 But for sure, people are going to get hooked on them that wouldn't have tried them before because now they have easy access.
02:10:05.000 And I think it'll take a while until it gets to the kind of same baseline of people who abuse or don't abuse things.
02:10:13.000 And maybe because the stigma and the mystery of it all, because it's illegal, will go away if you know what it is and that it's damaging.
02:10:23.000 And maybe they could stop more people from having overdoses and with either counseling or medication like Narcon, that stuff that they give people when they do have an overdose, if they have that more readily available.
02:10:39.000 If they have detox clinics, they take some of the money from legal sales and they create these detox clinics and these clinics along with like counseling, help people that have drug addictions.
02:10:51.000 But it's like, who gets to decide what you can and cannot do with your body?
02:10:57.000 If you want to give that up to the state, well, they're not good at managing anything.
02:11:01.000 Why would they be good at managing your consciousness, managing your choices, what you can and can't do with your body?
02:11:06.000 A lot of them have terrible bodies.
02:11:11.000 You can't tell people they can't take peptides or you can't tell people they can't smoke weed.
02:11:17.000 You don't even know what those things do.
02:11:20.000 If you didn't smoke weed and you were saying, you've got to stop smoking weed, you're not qualified to make that statement.
02:11:26.000 You don't even know how good it is.
02:11:28.000 You don't even know what the benefits it serves.
02:11:30.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:11:32.000 I think less crime too.
02:11:34.000 I bet probably overall less crime eventually.
02:11:37.000 Yeah, eventually.
02:11:38.000 But there's gonna be some chaotic moments.
02:11:40.000 That's like what I said, like some people are gonna die.
02:11:42.000 But I think like overwhelmingly in the long run, less people will die. 0.99
02:11:46.000 Because if you know what you're getting, if you want, if you're trying to get ecstasy and someone gives you fentanyl and you die, that is fucked up. 1.00
02:11:53.000 So fucked up. 0.99
02:11:54.000 But if you want to get ecstasy and you get ecstasy and you have your time of your life, Like, that's a different thing. 0.99
02:12:00.000 You know, to try to pretend that people don't enjoy themselves when they're on ecstasy is not helping anything.
02:12:05.000 You're not helping anybody. 0.98
02:12:06.000 I don't think the thing is to, like, make it illegal and keep it so that only drug dealers are selling you this stuff through illegal methods where they can be locked up in jail forever so only the craziest motherfuckers are doing it. 0.93
02:12:19.000 And that's not a solution.
02:12:21.000 That's not a solution to a real supply, demand, and also an ethics question. 0.98
02:12:25.000 Because who the fuck are you to tell me what I can't do? 0.97
02:12:30.000 Especially if you're talking about pure stuff. 1.00
02:12:33.000 You're like, I've never done coke.
02:12:35.000 But I know a lot of people who like it. 1.00
02:12:37.000 And if you do it now, you run a real risk that you might die because the shit is spiked with fentanyl. 1.00
02:12:44.000 It's a real risk. 0.99
02:12:46.000 But if you had legal coke, you wouldn't have to worry about that at all.
02:12:51.000 If it was just like buying a six-pack, you go to a store, show your license, they give you coke.
02:12:56.000 I wonder If more or less people would do it.
02:12:59.000 I wonder if people would recognize the problems with it, just like some people quit drinking, just like some people decide to be healthier.
02:13:05.000 They quit sugar.
02:13:07.000 They know.
02:13:08.000 They know it's bad for you now, so they quit.
02:13:12.000 There's a mystery to it being illegal.
02:13:14.000 We're going to be naughty.
02:13:16.000 We're going to get this illegal drug.
02:13:18.000 In other countries like where alcohol is, you could drink alcohol when you're young, if you go to Italy, you don't see a bunch of like young teenage drunks.
02:13:26.000 Right.
02:13:26.000 They start drinking wine when they're like six years old.
02:13:29.000 Nobody gives a shit about it. 0.99
02:13:31.000 Yeah. 0.98
02:13:33.000 Sorry.
02:13:34.000 No worries, man.
02:13:36.000 Yeah, that's, I mean, it's crazy how people have, they can say you can and can't do things.
02:13:43.000 Like, if you're at home, it shouldn't matter. 0.97
02:13:45.000 You should be able to do whatever the fuck you want. 0.99
02:13:47.000 Whatever you feel like doing. 1.00
02:13:48.000 If you're not hurting anybody else, whatever the fuck you want to do. 0.99
02:13:51.000 Take whatever. 1.00
02:13:51.000 Go to the moon. 1.00
02:13:53.000 Or even go to the club.
02:13:54.000 You want to have a little extra fun time?
02:13:57.000 Yeah.
02:13:58.000 We should be able to.
02:13:58.000 It should be legal and regulated, where you know what it is, where they do tests on it.
02:14:03.000 They have labs that are certified.
02:14:06.000 If they did that, we'd have tax money from it.
02:14:08.000 Instead, what we know is billions and billions of dollars people spend every year on illegal drugs.
02:14:14.000 Let's just guess.
02:14:15.000 Let's just guess, Sean O'Malley.
02:14:17.000 How much money is spent on illegal drugs?
02:14:20.000 Yeah.
02:14:21.000 What do you guess?
02:14:22.000 In America or just all over?
02:14:24.000 Let's just say America.
02:14:25.000 America?
02:14:25.000 How much does America spend on illegal drugs every year?
02:14:29.000 Fuck. 1.00
02:14:30.000 I'm gonna say ten... 1.00
02:14:31.000 I'm gonna go five billion.
02:14:34.000 Five billion sounds good.
02:14:35.000 I'm gonna play it a little under that.
02:14:37.000 I'm gonna go with four billion.
02:14:38.000 Okay.
02:14:40.000 You guys are way off. 1.00
02:14:42.000 Ah, shit. 1.00
02:14:43.000 What's the number? 1.00
02:14:44.000 150 billion.
02:14:46.000 What? 1.00
02:14:47.000 Holy shit. 1.00
02:14:48.000 Damn it. 1.00
02:14:50.000 Americans are spending 150 billion annually on illicit drugs. 1.00
02:14:57.000 Appears to rival what is spent on alcohol.
02:15:01.000 Spending on cannabis, cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine by Americans reached a nearly $150 billion.
02:15:07.000 You know what they noticed?
02:15:08.000 You know what they left out?
02:15:10.000 Mushrooms.
02:15:13.000 Mushrooms goes under the radar.
02:15:14.000 It does.
02:15:15.000 $150 billion.
02:15:17.000 Mushrooms is such a different drug.
02:15:19.000 That should be legal.
02:15:21.000 100% that should be legal.
02:15:23.000 100% mushrooms should be legal and they should be given to soldiers and anybody with PTSD and people that are dying from cancer and helps them to like at the end of life therapy.
02:15:34.000 It's like one of the most beneficial things for people.
02:15:36.000 Yeah.
02:15:37.000 The size of retail heroin market is now closer to the size of marijuana market than it is to the other drugs according to the analysis. 0.99
02:15:46.000 That's fucked up. 0.99
02:15:47.000 Whoa! 1.00
02:15:48.000 That's so sad.
02:15:50.000 The retail heroin market Is close to marijuana?
02:15:56.000 What is the retail heroin market?
02:15:57.000 Is that just, like, legal opium?
02:15:59.000 You know how crazy it is?
02:16:00.000 What's crazy is marijuana is, like, the most innocuous in most people's eyes.
02:16:04.000 The most prevalent.
02:16:06.000 The most where people won't, like, thumb their nose at you.
02:16:08.000 You tell your friends you do heroin, they're gonna go, oh, Jesus, Sean.
02:16:12.000 What are you doing?
02:16:14.000 Yeah.
02:16:14.000 You tell your friend you smoke a little weed, they're like, hey, who doesn't?
02:16:18.000 Yeah, same with mushrooms.
02:16:19.000 The fact that they're closing in on marijuana...
02:16:24.000 We're trying to find out what it says it is.
02:16:26.000 That's crazy.
02:16:27.000 That's bananas. 0.99
02:16:27.000 Well, even when you think about Chapo or Pablo, how much money those guys were fucking raking in. 0.99
02:16:31.000 This is the point. 0.95
02:16:32.000 If drugs are illegal, it's not stopping people from buying drugs.
02:16:35.000 It's just giving all the money to criminals.
02:16:37.000 Yeah, pretty much.
02:16:38.000 That's $150 billion that we could be using to clean up schools and neighborhoods.
02:16:43.000 Just think of the revenue that comes from that.
02:16:47.000 Yeah.
02:16:47.000 I mean, marijuana changed the game, too.
02:16:50.000 Taxing it.
02:16:50.000 Yeah.
02:16:51.000 If they sold it and made it expensive and taxed it highly and then made it so there's fucking crisis hotlines on everything, but at least you would know if you're getting heroin that you're actually getting heroin. 0.76
02:17:03.000 You would know that if you're getting marijuana, you're actually getting marijuana. 0.95
02:17:05.000 You know if it's cocaine.
02:17:07.000 If the government wants to regulate, do that.
02:17:10.000 Make some money. 1.00
02:17:11.000 You guys, stop making shit illegal. 0.99
02:17:13.000 The Biden administration was supposed to make it legal. 0.99
02:17:16.000 Remember that?
02:17:17.000 They were like, we are going to let all those people that are in federal prison for marijuana possession, we're going to let them out.
02:17:25.000 There's no one in federal prison for marijuana possession.
02:17:28.000 I heard you and Duncan talking about that.
02:17:32.000 He's all like, I support it, I liked it. 0.91
02:17:34.000 I fucking thumbs-upped it or whatever he said. 0.95
02:17:36.000 Yeah, he tricked us. 0.99
02:17:36.000 And then you realize it's fucking actually no one. 0.99
02:17:39.000 Duncan's an interesting... 0.73
02:17:40.000 I always love listening when he comes on here.
02:17:42.000 He's the best. 0.94
02:17:43.000 He's so fucking funny in his... 0.92
02:17:45.000 When he goes off on his tangents and it's just so fun to listen to. 0.98
02:17:49.000 We have a new outfit too.
02:17:51.000 Last time we were clowns and what was hilarious, we were dressed as clowns and Fox News was playing a clip of me and Duncan while we were dressed like clowns.
02:18:01.000 They have to say, well, they were dressed up for Halloween.
02:18:04.000 Sort of.
02:18:05.000 You dress up every time.
02:18:07.000 Every time he's on.
02:18:09.000 We're like, you know, for Fourth of July, we dressed up like patriots.
02:18:12.000 We dressed up.
02:18:13.000 What else would we do?
02:18:14.000 We put the crazy wigs on with the wizards.
02:18:17.000 A couple times.
02:18:17.000 Yeah.
02:18:18.000 We gotta come up with a new outfit.
02:18:20.000 Oh, Astronauts.
02:18:21.000 Astronauts was a good one.
02:18:22.000 That was a good one. 1.00
02:18:22.000 That shit's funny. 1.00
02:18:23.000 I hate some new costume ideas. 1.00
02:18:25.000 But, yeah, Duncan and I did a show last night in Austin.
02:18:28.000 Does he live here?
02:18:30.000 Yeah, Duncan's here.
02:18:31.000 Yeah, Duncan moved here.
02:18:32.000 This is one of his better outfits, but...
02:18:34.000 Oh, yeah.
02:18:35.000 He wore a ghillie suit with a face mask.
02:18:40.000 Didn't he try talking with it too for a while?
02:18:41.000 Yeah, he did for a while.
02:18:42.000 It was too crazy.
02:18:44.000 But that was during the height of the pandemic too.
02:18:46.000 There was certain people that were upset that we were doing podcasts and we weren't wearing masks on the podcast. 0.99
02:18:52.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99
02:18:53.000 That was a thing, man. 0.99
02:18:54.000 They told on us.
02:18:56.000 The health department came and visited us.
02:18:58.000 No way, actually.
02:19:01.000 Me and me were testing.
02:19:03.000 I was like, dude, we're testing everybody.
02:19:04.000 And they're like, you can't, you have to do this, you have to stay apart from each other, and you have to have signs up.
02:19:09.000 So we have to have signs up, like, stand six feet apart.
02:19:12.000 And we had a bag of masks. 1.00
02:19:13.000 Some common sense rules and laws are just, it's like, holy fuck. 0.99
02:19:17.000 Do you still, uh... 0.99
02:19:19.000 You still overeat when you go out to eat much? 0.95
02:19:21.000 I know you've talked about it, and I fucking resonated with that so much. 0.93
02:19:24.000 Like, if I get high before I go out to eat, and I'm getting a good cheeseburger, I might as well order two, because I'm going to eat that one, and I'm going to be hungry still. 0.98
02:19:31.000 I'm not even going to fucking touch my... 0.98
02:19:32.000 It doesn't even faze me. 0.99
02:19:34.000 Gluttony.
02:19:35.000 God. 1.00
02:19:35.000 Damn it. 1.00
02:19:36.000 It's such a pain in the ass. 1.00
02:19:37.000 When you're always dieting and cutting weight, do you think that makes you more prone to doing that? 1.00
02:19:42.000 Dude, the reason Paddy the Baddy gets as big as he is is because you get this mental disorder. 0.99
02:19:47.000 I strict as fuck for about ten weeks before that fight. 0.99
02:19:51.000 I'd have a little cheat meal on a Saturday, but the closer I got to the fight, four or five weeks out. 0.99
02:19:56.000 I was just eating so clean to where right after...
02:19:59.000 It's like I'll order two cheeseburgers, some appetizers, and just eat until I'm so uncomfortable and so much pain.
02:20:06.000 Oh my god, look at Patty. 1.00
02:20:07.000 I'm going to send you a video, Jamie, this dude posted today.
02:20:12.000 Yeah, Patty's... 0.99
02:20:13.000 I'm not who am I to fucking say, but I know that's just not good for you. 0.97
02:20:18.000 He gets up to 200 pounds. 0.97
02:20:21.000 That's like me getting up to like 190. Or 185. Yeah, that's a lot, dude.
02:20:26.000 It's sad.
02:20:27.000 It's like, that's not good.
02:20:28.000 But it gives you this mental disorder from eating. 1.00
02:20:31.000 But fuck, dude. 1.00
02:20:32.000 If you take a couple puffs before dinner, it depends how high you get. 1.00
02:20:36.000 There's levels of high.
02:20:37.000 If you just get a nice little high and the food just tastes better and you can really enjoy it. 0.99
02:20:42.000 Or you get too high and you go in there and you just feel like a bottomless pit and you're eating the fucking bread and the appetizers. 1.00
02:20:48.000 Then you're eating your fucking other appetizers. 1.00
02:20:50.000 Then you're getting fucking two cheeseburgers. 1.00
02:20:53.000 It's bad sometimes. 0.99
02:20:55.000 Michael Easter was actually just talking about that.
02:20:57.000 He's a guy who wrote this book, The Comfort Crisis, and he wrote this book about a study that they did where they took these guys and they purposely starved them.
02:21:06.000 Play it so he could say it.
02:21:10.000 Michael underscore Easter. - The time was over.
02:21:12.000 Scientists had to call it off.
02:21:13.000 So in that study I talked about it a few weeks ago.
02:21:15.000 They took 36 men, they put 'em in a lab for six months and they starved 'em.
02:21:19.000 Like really starved 'em, 'cause they wanted to know what happens to the human body when we significantly decrease our calories and lose a lot of weight.
02:21:26.000 What happens to our bodies?
02:21:28.000 What happens to our minds?
02:21:29.000 What happens to all of these different processes?
02:21:31.000 So it was a really enlightening study.
02:21:32.000 Told us a lot about weight loss.
02:21:34.000 But where it started to get interesting is that now they have to refeed these guys and bring them back up to a normal weight.
02:21:39.000 And the impacts of the weight loss were very lasting on these guys' behavior.
02:21:44.000 So for one, they binge ate.
02:21:46.000 One guy ate 11,000 calories a day.
02:21:49.000 He had to go to the hospital for eating so much in a meal.
02:21:52.000 And all of them were eating significantly higher calories than when they started.
02:21:56.000 Second is that they obsessed about food.
02:21:58.000 It was on their mind all the time, just as it had been when they were starving.
02:22:02.000 And there's a handful of other really fascinating things that happened that basically ended up bringing these guys above the weight that they started at.
02:22:10.000 So after this crazy diet, they actually ended up heavier.
02:22:14.000 This can tell us a lot about diets today, how we should approach them, how we should think about eating normally once we've lost weight.
02:22:21.000 There's a link in the bio if you want to learn more.
02:22:23.000 Check it out. 0.98
02:22:24.000 I love Michael, but hey man, that fucking, the voiceover, the captions, it's like missing all these words. 0.99
02:22:31.000 I know, that was weird. 0.99
02:22:32.000 Like, that's the worst, like, transcription ever.
02:22:35.000 It's doing it for free, like, if you had to pay someone to do that.
02:22:37.000 Well, pay for it, because what is this?
02:22:40.000 You're cutting off all these words.
02:22:42.000 Like, what's the purpose of having it so you can read it if you can't read it?
02:22:46.000 Like, if you're not listening to him and you're reading that, you're like, what is he saying?
02:22:50.000 He's missing, like, key words.
02:22:52.000 It's also better than not having it.
02:22:54.000 Incorrect.
02:22:55.000 What's just him making it sitting in his chair?
02:22:57.000 Intacts of weight loss were, what does that mean?
02:23:00.000 And guys' behavior.
02:23:01.000 So for one, they binge ate, let's see, and then it gets to this other one.
02:23:05.000 See here?
02:23:05.000 And he had to go to the hospital for eating.
02:23:08.000 Eating what?
02:23:09.000 And all of them were eating significantly what?
02:23:11.000 Than when they started.
02:23:12.000 What?
02:23:13.000 What if you can't hear and you can only read?
02:23:15.000 You can't read that?
02:23:15.000 It's better than not having it?
02:23:16.000 You're out of your mind.
02:23:17.000 No. 0.95
02:23:18.000 You're out of your mind.
02:23:19.000 No. 0.99
02:23:19.000 It's better to not have it than to have it where you can't fucking read it. 0.99
02:23:25.000 Because there's a bunch of words missing. 0.71
02:23:27.000 Well, have you ever watched captions normally?
02:23:28.000 They are about...
02:23:29.000 Not that good.
02:23:30.000 Or not that bad.
02:23:32.000 That's pretty bad. 1.00
02:23:33.000 Whatever program he's using, that program sucks. 0.99
02:23:35.000 Maybe he didn't know. 0.99
02:23:36.000 It's probably built on Instagram.
02:23:37.000 Yeah, it's probably just like a built-in.
02:23:38.000 Really?
02:23:38.000 But interesting study.
02:23:39.000 Is that bad?
02:23:41.000 Yeah, very interesting.
02:23:43.000 Dude, it's so true.
02:23:45.000 Every fighter will sit here and say the same thing.
02:23:47.000 After a fight, if you cut a lot of weight, and you make weight, and then... 0.95
02:23:51.000 I mean, even for me, I still eat really clean leading up to the fight, but dude, I see fighters at the fucking... 0.99
02:23:57.000 Breakfast buffet eating shitty fight day. 0.99
02:24:00.000 Because they made weight. 0.99
02:24:00.000 Or after weigh-ins that night, they're eating shitty. 0.99
02:24:03.000 They just want to eat.
02:24:03.000 I keep it clean until after the fight.
02:24:05.000 And then after the fight, I let loose a little bit.
02:24:07.000 But this has been the best I've done.
02:24:09.000 Usually, because for me, bread, cheese causes inflammation.
02:24:13.000 Like, I work with a nutritionist, Dan Garner.
02:24:15.000 We do...
02:24:16.000 He's working on a really, really cool protocol right now.
02:24:18.000 A concussion protocol for me.
02:24:20.000 He's done...
02:24:21.000 10 plus labs for me.
02:24:23.000 I've been working with him for like 5 years.
02:24:25.000 He has a ton of data on me.
02:24:26.000 But we do a bunch of, like right now he's making a protocol for me outside of camp to eat.
02:24:32.000 So he has all my data.
02:24:34.000 But I've been doing a really good job not overeating.
02:24:37.000 Each time it gets a little bit better, and it's a knowledge thing and a discipline thing.
02:24:43.000 Does he meal prep for you?
02:24:45.000 He lives in Canada.
02:24:47.000 He writes it out.
02:24:47.000 I have a meal prep company in Arizona, All Organics, that makes my food throughout the entire fight camp.
02:24:54.000 So they give you the exact portions that you need?
02:24:56.000 Oh, that's great.
02:24:58.000 It changed the game.
02:24:59.000 Oh yeah, you have to think about it, right?
02:25:00.000 I don't really cook.
02:25:01.000 Dani cooked.
02:25:02.000 She was a full-time mom, and she does hair for a living, so she'd work a couple days a week. 1.00
02:25:08.000 The recharge center in Arizona, it changed the game.
02:25:12.000 That's amazing.
02:25:13.000 But this one, I mean, I got out of this camp, or out of that fight, and I was like...
02:25:18.000 I'm ready to go. 0.96
02:25:19.000 I want to fucking get back to the gym. 0.95
02:25:20.000 I know how hard of a fight Henry is, how hard of a fight Aljo is, how hard of a fight anybody in the top five is. 0.97
02:25:26.000 I need to get back to the gym.
02:25:27.000 So I've been really a lot more disciplined.
02:25:31.000 I think it's been a month now since the fight, but not eating as much cheese or eating as much bread if I go out to eat.
02:25:37.000 Just because I know that fucking causes inflammation in my body and I know it's going to take a little bit longer to... 0.90
02:25:42.000 Get back to training or if I am training and I eat too much cheese and bread, it's going to cause that inflammation, risk an injury, or just be fucking more sore than I need to be. 0.98
02:25:52.000 But yeah, eating disorder from cutting weight is a real fucking problem. 0.94
02:25:57.000 It's a real thing, right? 0.98
02:25:59.000 If I fought at my natural weight class, I'd fight at 155. If I didn't cut weight and walk around 58, 59, whatever, I'd fight at 155. There's no fucking chance that I'm going to say, you know what, I'm just going to do that.
02:26:09.000 I'm going to go fight Justin Gaethje. 0.98
02:26:11.000 I'm going to go fight Charles.
02:26:13.000 Like, there's no way.
02:26:14.000 I could go fight at 145. I believe and be successful.
02:26:17.000 I'm not a tiny 35er.
02:26:18.000 Those guys would still even be a little bit bigger, but cutting to 45, I wouldn't. 0.99
02:26:21.000 Cutting to 35 is fucking hard. 0.99
02:26:23.000 You feel like you're dying. 0.99
02:26:25.000 Your heart is pounding.
02:26:27.000 You're laying in bed.
02:26:28.000 Well, you kind of are dying.
02:26:29.000 You 100% are dying.
02:26:31.000 Like, I talk to my body.
02:26:33.000 I have to tell it, like, hey, you know what we're doing fight week?
02:26:36.000 Like, we're going to start, you know, cutting weight.
02:26:39.000 I try to tell myself, like, we know we're not going to actually die.
02:26:42.000 We're going to feel like that or whatever.
02:26:43.000 But I could cut to 45. It would be a lot easier.
02:26:46.000 Obviously, 55 would be the easiest.
02:26:48.000 But I wish more guys would.
02:26:50.000 But then again, like, Aljo, he weighs how much right now?
02:26:53.000 I don't know.
02:26:54.000 160 to 170. How about Davidson?
02:26:56.000 Davidson Figueredo?
02:26:57.000 I wonder if he goes at 35. Oh, he's fighting...
02:27:00.000 25 again.
02:27:01.000 He's going to do it again.
02:27:02.000 He said he was mad at me for saying that I didn't think he's going to be at 25 again.
02:27:06.000 But he's short.
02:27:07.000 But he's talked about that.
02:27:08.000 He's stacked, though.
02:27:09.000 Is he?
02:27:09.000 I've never really been around him.
02:27:10.000 He's a thick guy.
02:27:10.000 He's thick.
02:27:11.000 But when you're a certain height, I feel like you have to.
02:27:15.000 But then again, look at Henry. 0.99
02:27:16.000 He's fucking 5'3", and he's fucking doing it. 1.00
02:27:19.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:27:19.000 So I guess it depends on how thick you are, but... 1.00
02:27:22.000 How tall is Figueredo, Jamie?
02:27:25.000 5'5".
02:27:27.000 He could fight at 35, but I'm damn near 6'0".
02:27:31.000 It's crazy the different body types.
02:27:35.000 One's better than the other, but I do think my length, my body type, Izzy, Alex Pajada, Jon Jones, the long, Charles Oliveira, is the best for...
02:27:47.000 Fighting.
02:27:48.000 Maybe the best for jiu-jitsu too, I think.
02:27:50.000 It's very good for jiu-jitsu and it's very good for distance.
02:27:53.000 Yeah.
02:27:54.000 You have so much of an advantage of like, if you're fighting a short guy and he's coming, like, Jan had, he had little puzzles to solve before he could land shots. 0.98
02:28:02.000 Fucker's good, dude. 1.00
02:28:03.000 Damn, he's good. 0.99
02:28:04.000 I find people's chins pretty, I wouldn't say easily, but I eventually find their chins quite a bit. 0.99
02:28:10.000 Like, that's my whole thing.
02:28:12.000 Like, setting it up, setting it up, boom, I want to find that chin.
02:28:13.000 I want to find that shut off button. 0.99
02:28:16.000 Fucker's hard to hit. 0.99
02:28:17.000 He's very good at tucking his chin. 0.98
02:28:19.000 He's very good at switching stances.
02:28:21.000 His little body kick that he throws when we were opposite stance was so fast.
02:28:27.000 But yeah, finding his chin was difficult.
02:28:29.000 And then in that second round, I found it a couple times.
02:28:33.000 And then that knee in the third was beautiful.
02:28:36.000 Yeah.
02:28:36.000 That knee in the third was beautiful.
02:28:38.000 And, you know, Tim, going into the second round, so right after the first round, going into the second round, he said, just trust that left hand, trust that left hand.
02:28:46.000 Because I knew when he was southpaw and I was southpaw, it's similar, orthodox, orthodox, that right hand, obviously, but it's just switched.
02:28:53.000 And so I just trusted in that left hand, double jab, threw it, landed it clean, hurt him, and then going into that third round, he's like, feint that right and throw that knee up the middle. 0.95
02:29:03.000 So that's important having good corners that can see shit like that.
02:29:06.000 Because those two things he told me really changed the fight. 0.97
02:29:10.000 I didn't win the second round, but I dropped him.
02:29:13.000 I heard him bat at that left hand.
02:29:15.000 I hit him with that right hand, dropped him to his knee.
02:29:17.000 Then he cracked me with that left hand and immediately took me down. 0.99
02:29:21.000 But that fucking trip he got me with, he got that little trip when we're both... 0.99
02:29:26.000 I tried it back. 0.99
02:29:27.000 I got up right away and then I tried it right back to him.
02:29:29.000 And then at the end of the third, I tried it and then he didn't really take me down.
02:29:34.000 It was more of a failed attempt.
02:29:36.000 So I wouldn't even consider that a takedown on his part because it was just a shitty failed attempt on my part.
02:29:42.000 But I was trying to get him back with that.
02:29:43.000 You wanted to get him back psychologically?
02:29:44.000 I tried twice, yeah.
02:29:45.000 Just because. 1.00
02:29:46.000 I was like, God damn it, this little fucker got me. 1.00
02:29:48.000 He's good at those Muay Thai trips. 1.00
02:29:50.000 Yeah.
02:29:50.000 I was hitting him in sparring.
02:29:52.000 Every single sparring session, I was hitting someone with that same trip where you step in.
02:29:56.000 He had Aljo with it, too, a couple times or once. 0.99
02:29:58.000 But I wanted that bad going into that fight, and he got me with it, little fucker. 0.99
02:30:05.000 Yeah, I'm very impressed with him. 0.99
02:30:06.000 And he's very defensively responsible.
02:30:08.000 The way he keeps his hands up high, he's always rock solid with his defense. 0.98
02:30:13.000 Going into that, right at the end of the first round, going into the second round, staring at him on the bench, or on the little stool looking at him, I was like, this motherfucker wasn't expecting this. 0.97
02:30:22.000 I felt him taking pretty big breaths going into the second round. 0.97
02:30:29.000 He usually is in really...
02:30:31.000 And he was in good shape.
02:30:32.000 But I don't think he was expecting me to be as good as I was or him to have to grapple.
02:30:37.000 Because he grappled a lot more in that first round than he usually does.
02:30:40.000 That's exhausting.
02:30:41.000 But I felt an energy switch.
02:30:43.000 Him going to that second round. 1.00
02:30:47.000 But that fucking left hand he landed. 0.99
02:30:49.000 Did you watch that slow-mo at all? 0.99
02:30:50.000 They've replayed that.
02:30:53.000 Because I've never really been hit with a shot like that.
02:30:55.000 I've been hitting sparring hard, but that was the cleanest left hand I've ever been hit with. 0.73
02:31:00.000 And the only reason, the only thing I think of how I took that is I was in such good shape and just did everything fucking right for 12 weeks. 0.96
02:31:07.000 And I was able to take that because of that, because that fucking couldn't have not land cleaner. 0.97
02:31:13.000 It was perfect. 0.99
02:31:14.000 It was a perfect left hand.
02:31:16.000 I rewatched it back, and for me, I get hit when I plant my feet.
02:31:21.000 When my feet are planted, that's when I can start getting hit.
02:31:24.000 When I'm moving on my feet, it's very hard for me to get hit, but that's why it hit me.
02:31:30.000 I had my feet planted, he threw it, I kind of leaned back rather, instead of using my feet to get me back. 0.99
02:31:36.000 But yeah, that fucker's super, super skilled. 0.99
02:31:38.000 I'm excited to watch whoever he fights next. 0.99
02:31:40.000 I don't think he's leaving the UFC. There's no need.
02:31:42.000 He's one of the best guys in the world.
02:31:43.000 You gotta fight in the best league.
02:31:44.000 I hope he doesn't leave.
02:31:45.000 The problem with leaving is, yeah, you can get paid other places, but you won't be in the UFC anymore.
02:31:50.000 You could get a good gig at Bellator.
02:31:52.000 You could get a good gig at the PFL. Fuck that. 1.00
02:31:58.000 It's not the same. 1.00
02:31:59.000 No.
02:32:00.000 It's not the same, unfortunately.
02:32:02.000 I think it's better now than it's ever been before, but there's still really good guys over at Bellator that nobody knows who they are.
02:32:08.000 Yeah. 0.98
02:32:09.000 The wildest thing is 1FC, because those fucking guys, there's guys over there that are fucking elite. 1.00
02:32:15.000 Really? 1.00
02:32:15.000 I don't watch. 1.00
02:32:17.000 I think it's crazy you don't watch that.
02:32:19.000 How do you not watch?
02:32:20.000 I just, I don't know.
02:32:21.000 Yeah, I don't really watch fights in general unless it's like a massive fight.
02:32:25.000 You know, always tune into, you know, Connor fight or Nate fight, Jon Jones.
02:32:30.000 Like, I'll tune into the biggest fights.
02:32:33.000 But yeah, I don't know.
02:32:35.000 I just, I try to. 0.98
02:32:37.000 Just fucking... 0.98
02:32:38.000 You don't get into it. 1.00
02:32:39.000 Maybe it's just because you're doing it.
02:32:40.000 Maybe.
02:32:41.000 You know, I mean, maybe when you're done fighting, you'll enjoy it more.
02:32:44.000 But maybe it's just like you just need a break.
02:32:46.000 I mean, it's obviously you're fully immersed.
02:32:48.000 You see plenty of fighting just with your own.
02:32:50.000 Right.
02:32:51.000 And sparring and training and fights that you have to watch because you're there.
02:32:55.000 I'll rewatch my fight.
02:32:56.000 No, I do think that's one thing where I improved the most was watching my own sparring back consistently.
02:33:02.000 Like, every sparring session, I'll record it, watch it back.
02:33:06.000 And I've been doing that since pretty much I went to the lab like eight years ago.
02:33:10.000 I have such crazy...
02:33:11.000 I have like a library of stuff on my YouTube.
02:33:13.000 I just make it private and upload it to my YouTube so I can delete it off my phone.
02:33:17.000 But I have rounds with like...
02:33:19.000 Sweet rounds like Alex Caceres and what's Henry's boy's name?
02:33:24.000 Pantoja before I was even in the UFC and he was.
02:33:28.000 I have some sweet rounds from way back in the day. 0.97
02:33:32.000 But I do think that's where I improved a lot was recording it and watching it and yeah, just fucking figuring out what the fuck I'm doing wrong and right.
02:33:41.000 And also, what do you like about watching yourself that you could see what it looks like versus how you feel? 0.86
02:33:48.000 And also, you see where maybe you would see openings on you.
02:33:52.000 Yeah, yeah, 100%.
02:33:53.000 I've rewatched my fights and thought, what is their coach?
02:33:57.000 What is my opponent looking?
02:33:58.000 Where do they think that they can take advantage of what I'm doing?
02:34:01.000 Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.
02:34:02.000 I've watched my fights back like that.
02:34:04.000 Do you ever look at it like you, where you would take advantage of what you're doing?
02:34:08.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure.
02:34:09.000 Like if you were fighting you?
02:34:10.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99
02:34:11.000 I tried to look at from, I try to watch it from, yeah, as many different perspectives as I can, but for the most part, like the Pedro Munoz fight, fuck. 0.99
02:34:21.000 That one just did not end. 0.98
02:34:23.000 That one I don't really rewatch.
02:34:25.000 Nothing really happened.
02:34:26.000 He tried to kick my legs for about five minutes.
02:34:29.000 I checked most of them.
02:34:30.000 That's pretty much what... 0.72
02:34:32.000 That fight sucked. 0.99
02:34:33.000 I fucking hated that fight. 0.99
02:34:36.000 That's probably the one I've watched back the least amount. 0.99
02:34:38.000 The Peter one I've watched back a ton already.
02:34:40.000 Like probably ten times.
02:34:42.000 The Munoz fight, that ended on an eye poke.
02:34:45.000 Yeah.
02:34:46.000 Yeah.
02:34:46.000 Supposedly.
02:34:47.000 No, I'm sorry.
02:34:48.000 I mean, it was weird.
02:34:49.000 I mean, it's Pedro Munoz.
02:34:50.000 The dude's fought the killers of killers. 0.98
02:34:52.000 I mean, he must have not been able to see, but if you watch it, it's like it wasn't that bad of a poke compared to two fights later when Izzy put half his finger in Jared Cannon's eye, and Jared's like, no, fuck, I'm good. 0.98
02:35:05.000 So I don't know. 0.89
02:35:07.000 I mean, if he literally couldn't see, I could see it.
02:35:10.000 I think sometimes, for whatever reason, it's just how the eye gets hit.
02:35:16.000 I've seen guys get really poked where it looks bad and they say they're fine. 0.99
02:35:19.000 And I've seen guys where they get grazed and they can't fucking see. 0.97
02:35:23.000 Like, they can't open their eye. 0.99
02:35:24.000 And then you find out later that they had cornea, scratches, and all this shit, and it's real. 0.97
02:35:28.000 I don't know. 0.93
02:35:29.000 How much of a difference do you think it makes with having, like, what percentage of, like, trying to get a hand under a neck with a glove?
02:35:36.000 How much harder?
02:35:36.000 A rear naked?
02:35:37.000 30% harder?
02:35:38.000 Yeah, probably something like that.
02:35:39.000 It's definitely, you know, the extra couple inches trying to get under the neck, especially when they're fighting it hard.
02:35:45.000 I was surprised the first time I wore gloves to try to grapple, how...
02:35:49.000 It's weird.
02:35:50.000 Yeah, you would think it's not that much bigger.
02:35:52.000 Well, even guillotines or, you know, shooting a darse or... 0.96
02:35:54.000 Nothing fits in.
02:35:55.000 All the headlock chokes. 1.00
02:35:56.000 Nothing slides in anymore. 0.98
02:35:57.000 Yeah, super fucking weird. 0.99
02:35:58.000 It sucks, too, when you're sparring, like, on a Saturday, and you got a good grappler, wrestler going, you have shin pads on, there's a fucking... 0.99
02:36:05.000 They take you down, and they're like, just... 0.99
02:36:07.000 The whole... 0.99
02:36:09.000 Shin pads, I wonder if there's a way you could somehow make those, but then again, you gotta protect your fucking... 0.99
02:36:15.000 I don't know. 0.98
02:36:16.000 Yeah, but grappling with shin pads is fucking hard. 0.96
02:36:18.000 It's hard. 0.98
02:36:19.000 So hard.
02:36:19.000 It's weird.
02:36:20.000 They get in the way.
02:36:21.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:36:21.000 Yeah, even sparring with them sucks. 0.99
02:36:23.000 Yeah. 0.98
02:36:24.000 It's like you'd rather have them because you want to protect your shins, but everything moves slower, seems sloppier. 0.99
02:36:30.000 You feel heavy.
02:36:31.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:36:32.000 If I'm sparring a guy and it's like, alright, their main objective is take me fucking down. 1.00
02:36:38.000 It's going to be a grapple fuck. 0.99
02:36:40.000 I've went into Saturday sparring rounds without shin pads and didn't even kick. 0.99
02:36:44.000 Just boxed and grappled, boxed and grappled.
02:36:46.000 Because it's unrealistic sometimes.
02:36:48.000 If someone gets you down and you're trying to get your bottom leg free and it's like...
02:36:53.000 There's like four extra, five extra inches or whatever it is.
02:36:55.000 You can't even get your leg free and then you're there for the rest of the round. 0.98
02:36:59.000 But this next fight camp is going to be grapple fuck. 0.98
02:37:04.000 Either when Henry or Aljo. 0.99
02:37:06.000 Their goal, take me down.
02:37:08.000 For Peter, I grappled.
02:37:10.000 We had guys grappled.
02:37:11.000 I mean, we grappled like normal.
02:37:12.000 But for sparring, for the most part... 0.98
02:37:15.000 We didn't grapple much like we had guys trying to shoot every once in a while and stuff but uh Yeah, I was planning on that being a legit just kickboxing fight that fucker came out shooting But I wonder I'd be curious if his game plan was to shoot or if I started cracking him early And he was like alright, I'm gonna start fucking wrestling.
02:37:32.000 That's how I'm gonna win this fight Well, there was quite a few moments where he was trying to engage with you and it was he was having a hard time getting past that length and yeah You're being really accurate, too. 0.81
02:37:41.000 The teeps, those body kicks.
02:37:43.000 It's so weird, because even when you watch them on TV, you can kind of see, like, oh, there's a body kick. 1.00
02:37:48.000 Those fucking teeps are deadly. 0.98
02:37:50.000 You saw Dan Hooker's teeps, like, against that last guy, finish the fight. 1.00
02:37:54.000 And I throw, I mean, I was doing serious damage to his body with those teeps.
02:38:00.000 It could have been why he was, you know, fatiguing faster than usual, too. 0.98
02:38:04.000 That's, like, probably the most dangerous weapon, I'd say, for long guys, those fucking front kicks. 0.99
02:38:09.000 Yeah, man. 0.99
02:38:10.000 It's a fucking amazing kick. 0.99
02:38:11.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:38:12.000 Especially when guys are kind of in MMA style, they're kind of facing towards you a little bit because they're thinking potentially of taking you down that wider target.
02:38:19.000 Yeah.
02:38:19.000 A good front kick to the body.
02:38:20.000 Tony Ferguson always had a good front kick to the body.
02:38:23.000 Good front kick to the body. 0.99
02:38:24.000 You risk that fucking feet injury, though, because you might kick an elbow, you might kick a fucking, yeah, an elbow. 0.99
02:38:30.000 You get those Poeton feet. 1.00
02:38:33.000 Yeah, my fucking toes are... 0.99
02:38:34.000 You know who had the nastiest front kick to the body? 1.00
02:38:36.000 Semi Schilt.
02:38:37.000 Do you remember Semi Schilt?
02:38:38.000 I feel like that name's familiar, but...
02:38:40.000 He was a K-1 champion.
02:38:43.000 Giant guy, like seven feet tall.
02:38:45.000 Fought in the UFC, too. 1.00
02:38:46.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
02:38:46.000 Seven feet? 1.00
02:38:47.000 Yeah.
02:38:47.000 Semi Schilt was giant, man.
02:38:49.000 Semi Schilt was giant. 0.99
02:38:49.000 You gotta have a good front kick if you're seven fucking feet. 0.99
02:38:52.000 Elite kickboxer. 1.00
02:38:53.000 And Semi used to fuck people up with that front kick. 1.00
02:38:56.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:38:57.000 Well, then you start, yeah, the front kick, then they have to respect it, go into the body, then you fucking go high with it, and you fucking head kick someone. 0.97
02:39:03.000 He had one of the most disturbing losses ever to Sergei Karotanov in pride, where Sergei Karotanov got on top of him, and he pinned him down. 0.96
02:39:14.000 Sammy was just a kickboxer, and Karotanov was like a Sambo guy. 1.00
02:39:17.000 Oh, God.
02:39:18.000 Got on top of him and just kept punching him in his one eye. 0.74
02:39:23.000 Hammerfisting him and punching him in his one eye. 0.99
02:39:25.000 And his eye was a fucking bloody mess. 0.99
02:39:28.000 And he was trapped, and he was just getting punched and hammerfisted in this one eye. 0.99
02:39:33.000 Look, he's hitting this one eye.
02:39:35.000 Look at this.
02:39:36.000 God, dude's just a kickboxer.
02:39:38.000 So he's mounted on him, and then he pins his arm down.
02:39:41.000 And then when he pins his arm, he's just a kickboxer, pins his arm down here. 0.99
02:39:44.000 I mean, Semmy's fucked, dude. 0.99
02:39:46.000 I mean, he's so out of his world here. 0.99
02:39:49.000 And then when he gets on top of him, he just starts hitting this one eye.
02:39:52.000 That left eye over and over and over again, man.
02:39:54.000 He pins his arm down here and just starts hammerfisting it. 1.00
02:39:58.000 And he can't do shit, man. 0.99
02:39:59.000 He's just trapped. 1.00
02:40:00.000 Fucking Molly Meatball and fucking... 1.00
02:40:02.000 That was crazy. 1.00
02:40:03.000 This is more scary.
02:40:04.000 Oh, yeah.
02:40:04.000 Just look how he's doing it.
02:40:05.000 Look how big he is. 1.00
02:40:06.000 Like, men fucking... 0.99
02:40:07.000 And he just starts smashing his eye. 1.00
02:40:10.000 That's a crazy little trap he's got there.
02:40:12.000 Oh my god.
02:40:13.000 It's just grappling superiority.
02:40:15.000 Pure grappling superiority.
02:40:17.000 Look how he's doing this.
02:40:17.000 Life or death.
02:40:18.000 No, no, no.
02:40:18.000 You're gonna stay here.
02:40:19.000 And this guy can't do shit. 1.00
02:40:21.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:40:21.000 I mean, he's just stuck. 1.00
02:40:23.000 And Karatanov was fucking terrifying back then. 0.97
02:40:26.000 He was really good standing up, too. 0.99
02:40:28.000 In fact, he wound up fighting in glory.
02:40:31.000 How many minute round is the first one in that? 0.91
02:40:33.000 Ten minutes.
02:40:34.000 Ten minutes.
02:40:34.000 Pride's first round was ten minutes.
02:40:36.000 He's probably been there for about seven, huh?
02:40:37.000 Yeah, well look at this.
02:40:38.000 It's like a minute fifteen to go.
02:40:40.000 What round does that say?
02:40:41.000 I can't even read it.
02:40:42.000 Round one it looked like.
02:40:44.000 It's so blurry.
02:40:45.000 So he took him down there.
02:40:46.000 Yeah, he's down for seven minutes. 0.98
02:40:48.000 Damn, there's seven minutes on top. 0.98
02:40:50.000 So we took him down early. 0.99
02:40:51.000 So now he's just like hammering his eyeball with these hammer fists. 1.00
02:40:54.000 If you're a kickboxer, what are you, like, what the fuck? 1.00
02:40:56.000 Look at this. 1.00
02:40:56.000 Look at this. 1.00
02:40:57.000 Just hammering his eye.
02:40:58.000 Look at this. 0.85
02:40:59.000 It's this bloody mess.
02:41:00.000 Look at this.
02:41:00.000 Oh!
02:41:01.000 It's a big guy on top, dude.
02:41:02.000 It's one of the most disturbing stoppages ever.
02:41:05.000 I mean, when do you throw in the towel?
02:41:06.000 Look at this, man. 1.00
02:41:07.000 Like, fuck! 1.00
02:41:08.000 Look at his eye. 1.00
02:41:09.000 Oh! 0.60
02:41:10.000 It's his right eye, sorry.
02:41:11.000 His right eye is just a bloody mess.
02:41:13.000 And the referee's like, enough. 0.98
02:41:14.000 I mean, it looks like he's gonna fucking lose his eye if he keeps going. 0.96
02:41:17.000 That's terrifying. 0.98
02:41:18.000 Terrifying.
02:41:19.000 It was one of the most disturbing stoppages because it's a guy that's totally helpless.
02:41:23.000 The guy who's on the bottom, like, he's totally out of his water.
02:41:27.000 Knows nothing.
02:41:28.000 His jiu-jitsu is just not, and Karatanov is an assassin. 1.00
02:41:31.000 Fuck. 1.00
02:41:33.000 He was like a Russian Special Forces guy, too, or something. 1.00
02:41:36.000 The Russians are terrifying. 1.00
02:41:36.000 What was his background? 1.00
02:41:38.000 He's a terrifying one.
02:41:39.000 He's still fighting, man.
02:41:41.000 Karatanov is still fighting.
02:41:42.000 This is 2004?
02:41:44.000 Yeah, 2004. Damn, that dude really is fucking sad. 1.00
02:41:47.000 But Keratonov is still around, man. 1.00
02:41:49.000 He's 42?
02:41:49.000 He's 42, still banging out.
02:41:51.000 So he was young then.
02:41:53.000 He was young then.
02:41:54.000 But what is his, um...
02:41:57.000 Didn't he have, like, some, uh... 0.98
02:41:59.000 Damn, beat Tyrone Sprung. 0.99
02:42:00.000 Spong? 1.00
02:42:01.000 Wait, Spong? 0.76
02:42:04.000 Yeah.
02:42:04.000 What was it?
02:42:05.000 Russian Airborne Troops.
02:42:08.000 Airborne troops.
02:42:10.000 Resigned.
02:42:12.000 Late 2010s.
02:42:13.000 Active duty while still training.
02:42:15.000 So active duty, still training, and still fighting.
02:42:17.000 So in that fight, when you saw him smash that dude, he was in...
02:42:22.000 Still in the airborne troops.
02:42:24.000 So he was airborne in Russia and fighting in pride. 1.00
02:42:27.000 What a fucking terrifying human being. 1.00
02:42:29.000 45-9 MMA. That's a fat fucking record. 1.00
02:42:32.000 Jesus. 1.00
02:42:32.000 It's a fat record. 1.00
02:42:33.000 He fought killers too.
02:42:34.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:42:34.000 That's a lot of fucking fights. 1.00
02:42:36.000 And again, I think he kickboxed really recently. 0.99
02:42:38.000 In February he fought Tyrone Spong.
02:42:40.000 Yeah.
02:42:40.000 And in one.
02:42:41.000 How old is he?
02:42:42.000 He beat Tyrone Spong?
02:42:43.000 I didn't say he beat.
02:42:44.000 I just said he fought.
02:42:44.000 I thought it said win.
02:42:46.000 Yeah.
02:42:47.000 It looks like he's winning.
02:42:47.000 Oh, it looks like an MMA fight.
02:42:49.000 Oh, it's an MMA fight.
02:42:50.000 Oh, I did see this.
02:42:51.000 I saw this.
02:42:52.000 I think this was for Eagle FC. Yeah, Eagle FC. This is for, yes.
02:42:55.000 Okay, so this is Khabib's organization. 0.99
02:42:57.000 Yeah, he beat the shit out of Tyron Spong. 0.93
02:43:00.000 Spong didn't do MMA, didn't he? 0.98
02:43:01.000 He did a little bit.
02:43:02.000 He fought some MMA. You know, but Spong was an elite kickboxer, and then he fought Gokhan Saki and broke his leg.
02:43:07.000 Did you ever see that?
02:43:08.000 Uh-uh.
02:43:09.000 Who broke whose leg?
02:43:11.000 Gokhan checked.
02:43:11.000 He checked a kick.
02:43:12.000 Oh, I don't want to see it.
02:43:13.000 And his leg snapped. 1.00
02:43:14.000 I can't watch that shit. 1.00
02:43:15.000 You have to watch it. 1.00
02:43:16.000 We're going to watch it.
02:43:16.000 I'll try.
02:43:17.000 Gokhan Saki is another guy who, you know, was an elite kickboxer that got into the UFC. He got on the UFC after so many years of war.
02:43:28.000 It didn't show it.
02:43:30.000 It just shows him on the ground.
02:43:32.000 I mean, that's probably just so you can watch at the end.
02:43:35.000 Yeah, they'll show it.
02:43:36.000 They'll show it.
02:43:37.000 So here it goes.
02:43:38.000 The sound is crazy off.
02:43:44.000 That's the other sound? 1.00
02:43:52.000 This was really high level shit man. 1.00
02:43:54.000 Like, oh, look at that. 1.00
02:43:56.000 Right there.
02:43:57.000 Boom.
02:44:00.000 And look at Gokhan.
02:44:01.000 Gokhan just like, oh, no. 0.96
02:44:04.000 Yeah.
02:44:05.000 I don't even like...
02:44:08.000 I mean, I don't think Tyrone Spong has fought kickboxing since.
02:44:17.000 I don't think so.
02:44:18.000 I think that was his last kickboxing fight, and then he did some boxing fights, and he was getting a pretty good name in boxing, but he had a big fight fall through, and then he fought Garitanov in MMA. I'm so curious who Connor is going to fight.
02:44:37.000 I wonder if he looks at Michael Chandler because at one point Chandler throws bombs but he throws hooks.
02:44:44.000 He throws some fire.
02:44:45.000 How does the USADA thing work?
02:44:48.000 I guess he's not even in the pool anymore.
02:44:50.000 If he's not in the pool, so how much time does he need before he gets back and competes once he gets back in the pool?
02:44:56.000 I think six months is what they say.
02:44:57.000 Six months.
02:44:57.000 Yeah.
02:44:58.000 That's a long time.
02:44:59.000 Yeah. 0.98
02:45:00.000 So, do you think his leg's still fucked up? 0.98
02:45:02.000 What do you think is going on? 0.98
02:45:05.000 I have no...
02:45:06.000 I don't even have thought.
02:45:07.000 I don't know.
02:45:07.000 It's hard to say.
02:45:08.000 I mean, I don't know why he was out of the pool. 0.98
02:45:10.000 I don't know if they took him out because he's on a fucking yacht everywhere and he's just untestable. 0.99
02:45:15.000 Like, what are you gonna fucking... 0.99
02:45:16.000 How are you gonna test him if he doesn't really... 0.98
02:45:17.000 That doesn't seem fair.
02:45:19.000 It's crazy.
02:45:19.000 I mean, I literally don't think he's getting...
02:45:22.000 I don't think he got tested last year or whatever it was.
02:45:25.000 No, I don't think he got tested.
02:45:26.000 This year.
02:45:26.000 He jumps back into the pool in December.
02:45:30.000 January, February, March, April, May, June.
02:45:32.000 He can fight in June and July.
02:45:33.000 Yeah.
02:45:34.000 If he gets back in December, which is soon.
02:45:37.000 Yeah.
02:45:38.000 And if he does, who does he fight?
02:45:40.000 But that's something that people need to realize when they toss names around.
02:45:43.000 Yeah.
02:45:43.000 Like, if you toss in Conor, I want Conor, I want Conor.
02:45:46.000 You're talking about six months from now, minimum.
02:45:48.000 Yeah.
02:45:49.000 Which might work out for Chandler after going through that war.
02:45:53.000 Connor has to see a guy that's going to get him excited that he sees as very winnable. 0.99
02:45:58.000 And Chandler's dangerous, but he's shorter and he throws fucking hooks. 0.99
02:46:04.000 Connor's a bigger and he's a sniper. 1.00
02:46:06.000 He throws him down the middle.
02:46:07.000 So he might look at that.
02:46:08.000 Chandler can take it though. 0.99
02:46:09.000 He can fucking take it and bounce back. 1.00
02:46:11.000 Dangerous motherfucker. 1.00
02:46:12.000 That guy has warrior spirit. 1.00
02:46:15.000 Crazy warrior spirit. 0.83
02:46:16.000 Like maybe too crazy.
02:46:18.000 Like maybe if he fought...
02:46:19.000 You know, try to be a little more elusive and but it's like that's how he gets the fans too.
02:46:25.000 He's do or die. 1.00
02:46:26.000 And he does it every fucking time he fights man. 1.00
02:46:28.000 You can guarantee if Michael Chandler's fighting some fucking chaos is gonna happen. 1.00
02:46:33.000 His run in the UFC since he's gotten signed has probably been the craziest, the fucking craziest. 1.00
02:46:38.000 In terms of entertainment, holy shit. 0.99
02:46:40.000 Every fight he's in is do or die. 0.99
02:46:42.000 Yeah.
02:46:43.000 All of them are exciting.
02:46:44.000 But if Conor comes back, it's going to be at 170. He's got to be.
02:46:48.000 He's fucking massive. 0.99
02:46:49.000 But he's also still shooting a movie, isn't he? 1.00
02:46:52.000 Yes. 1.00
02:46:53.000 You cannot shoot a movie and fucking train for a fight. 1.00
02:46:57.000 You just can't do it. 1.00
02:46:58.000 You can't do anything and train for a fight.
02:47:00.000 No, you can't.
02:47:01.000 But I don't think he's actually trying to train for a fight now, but they're just talking about him potentially fighting.
02:47:06.000 But everybody needs to recognize, if that's the case, then you're talking about six months from now.
02:47:11.000 And maybe...
02:47:13.000 I mean, who does he fight?
02:47:16.000 So Volkanovski and Islam fight. 0.90
02:47:19.000 And Islam beats Volkanovski. 0.99
02:47:22.000 What's next?
02:47:23.000 That's a good question.
02:47:24.000 Is it a rematch with Oliveira?
02:47:26.000 What is it?
02:47:27.000 That would be exciting.
02:47:28.000 Islam versus Poirier? 0.91
02:47:30.000 I don't know if people...
02:47:31.000 He's not 265. He's joking around.
02:47:33.000 He's joking around.
02:47:35.000 Is it Poirier vs.
02:47:36.000 Islam? 1.00
02:47:36.000 Someone's gotta come and make some fucking noise. 1.00
02:47:39.000 I mean Poirier and Chandler was a great fight. 0.99
02:47:41.000 It was a lot of fun.
02:47:42.000 It was awesome.
02:47:43.000 But, you know, I don't know...
02:47:47.000 I don't know what he wants to do next. 0.98
02:47:49.000 Dustin might just want to take big money fights, like whoever talks the most shit and can sell the most tickets. 0.98
02:47:55.000 Dustin is crazy he's not headlining after those Conor wins. 0.92
02:47:59.000 I don't feel like he took advantage of that opportunity and he should be headlining and making pay-per-view money, but he's just not.
02:48:07.000 Is that his fault though?
02:48:08.000 He got the interim title when he fought Max Holloway and then when he lost to Khabib...
02:48:15.000 And he lost to Oliveira, and he beat Connor.
02:48:18.000 I mean, he's in a great spot, right? 0.99
02:48:21.000 He's in that fucking top soup. 0.96
02:48:24.000 But, like, if you're the person that's making—if you're Mick Maynard, and you're making the decision, you know? 0.99
02:48:29.000 You're Sean Shelby.
02:48:30.000 And you're saying, okay, this is the next fight.
02:48:33.000 Who do you pick?
02:48:35.000 Do you pick Poirier?
02:48:37.000 Poirier is a great fighter, might win, might beat everybody, but there's no real, clear, compelling contender, right?
02:48:47.000 Justin fought Charles.
02:48:50.000 Justin fought, that's right, Justin fought Charles and got stopped.
02:48:53.000 Justin fought Dustin Poirier.
02:48:56.000 How many times did they fight?
02:48:57.000 Justin, Dustin only fought the once.
02:49:00.000 Justin Gagey and Dustin Poirier?
02:49:03.000 So I know what you're saying.
02:49:04.000 Okay, so Charles beat Justin, and then Islam beat Charles, so Islam would... 0.96
02:49:08.000 I mean, the MMA math, it's hard to say, but yeah.
02:49:11.000 Well, if you wanted to have a Gaethje-Charles rematch, it's like, you know, Charles took him out pretty quick.
02:49:20.000 Yeah, I mean, it wasn't...
02:49:21.000 Like I said, I haven't seen all of it.
02:49:23.000 I've seen a couple highlights, but it didn't seem like Charles really ever had Islam in danger, did he?
02:49:30.000 Well, Charles was, like, competent, you know?
02:49:33.000 He was, like, defensively responsible.
02:49:35.000 He threatened a little bit off of his back, but Islam was so good in that fight. 1.00
02:49:38.000 It's like, who is compelling?
02:49:41.000 Other than Volkanovski, like, who's compelling? 0.80
02:49:44.000 I mean, there's no one on that I'd look at and be like, ooh, that'd be fucking interesting.
02:49:48.000 I mean, other than Volkanovski, who's at 45, who's still even questionable if it is?
02:49:53.000 I mean, does Islam go... 1.00
02:49:54.000 Is there...
02:49:55.000 Who's at 70? 1.00
02:49:56.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00
02:49:56.000 Islam could be Leon. 1.00
02:49:58.000 Dude, this is how crazy good... 0.83
02:50:00.000 That would be an amazing fight.
02:50:01.000 Yeah, this is Gaethje versus Oliveira.
02:50:05.000 Oh, Charles.
02:50:06.000 This is how good Islam is.
02:50:09.000 Because up until this moment, when Charles Oliveira finished Justin Gaethje and he just beat him up and dropped him on the feet and then submitted him on the ground, people were thinking, there's no one that can challenge Charles.
02:50:22.000 Charles is at such an elite level.
02:50:24.000 Islam beats him so soundly. 1.00
02:50:28.000 That now you're like, I don't even know if it makes sense for Charles to fight him again. 0.97
02:50:31.000 Yeah, that's insane.
02:50:33.000 That's how good he is.
02:50:34.000 Yeah.
02:50:34.000 I mean, does he move up?
02:50:35.000 I mean, Islam in Kamaru?
02:50:39.000 That's interesting.
02:50:40.000 If Kamaru beats Leon.
02:50:42.000 But you're assuming that Islam wants to go up.
02:50:45.000 Yeah.
02:50:45.000 Like, he might decide that, you know, he could just crush everybody at 155 and just run the division for a while.
02:50:52.000 Why would he just, if he just won the title, why would he go up to 70, right?
02:50:56.000 No, that's, yeah.
02:50:58.000 I mean, it would be crazy, though, if he goes, if he beats Volkanovski, who's the 45-pound champ, he does not double champ, but beats the 45-pound champ, beat the 55-pound champ, and then goes up and beats the 70-pound champ. 0.90
02:51:09.000 That's fucking insane. 0.85
02:51:11.000 Dude, look how fucking well he dominates on the ground here. 0.99
02:51:15.000 Yeah, his next level jiu-jitsu. 0.98
02:51:18.000 Cranks out a triangle while he's sitting there.
02:51:20.000 Yeah, most fighters don't have great actual high-level Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
02:51:28.000 Dude, look at that transition to the rear naked. 1.00
02:51:31.000 And body triangle.
02:51:32.000 Sensational.
02:51:33.000 Yeah.
02:51:33.000 It's just sensational.
02:51:35.000 So Charles was so good when he was running shit. 0.91
02:51:41.000 That we couldn't imagine a fight where you maybe didn't think it was compelling for him to fight for the title again. 0.99
02:51:47.000 That's how good Islam is.
02:51:48.000 Was Charles the underdog, too, going into that?
02:51:52.000 Yes. 1.00
02:51:53.000 Damn. 1.00
02:51:53.000 Yeah, he was the underdog. 1.00
02:51:54.000 That's crazy.
02:51:55.000 Which is nuts. 1.00
02:51:57.000 Yeah, who the fuck? 1.00
02:51:58.000 That's nuts. 1.00
02:51:59.000 As dominant as he was as a champion, to have him be the underdog, make sure that's true, because I'm pretty sure that's true.
02:52:05.000 Is that true?
02:52:06.000 That Charles Oliveira was the underdog in the Islam-Makachev fight?
02:52:09.000 No.
02:52:12.000 Yeah, who knows?
02:52:13.000 I'm pretty sure he was. 0.99
02:52:14.000 In two years, some fucking stud can just come out of nowhere and be like, the next guy. 0.99
02:52:18.000 The next guy could be in fucking... 1.00
02:52:21.000 Oliver was the underdog. 0.99
02:52:22.000 Oliver was the underdog.
02:52:24.000 It was not a lot, but yeah, he was underdog.
02:52:26.000 That's insane.
02:52:27.000 Champion.
02:52:27.000 Dominant champion.
02:52:28.000 Submitting everybody. 0.98
02:52:29.000 Underdog. 0.97
02:52:31.000 That's how good Islam is. 1.00
02:52:32.000 That's nuts.
02:52:33.000 I wonder if Michael Chandler would have beat Poirier if we would have been more excited for Chandler vs.
02:52:39.000 Islam rather than Poirier vs.
02:52:41.000 Islam.
02:52:42.000 Yeah, 190. 2-1 favorite.
02:52:44.000 Almost 2-1, yeah.
02:52:47.000 65.5% win probability to become the new lightweight champion.
02:52:51.000 That's insane.
02:52:52.000 That's how good that guy is.
02:52:53.000 That is bananas.
02:52:54.000 I feel like Charles fought a bunch, like back to back to back to back.
02:52:57.000 Oh yeah, he did.
02:52:58.000 That's what you do, though.
02:52:59.000 I mean, look what Izzy's doing. 1.00
02:53:00.000 He's fucking doing it. 0.98
02:53:01.000 Well, when he fought Tony Ferguson, that was like a big coming-out party for him in a lot of ways. 1.00
02:53:06.000 You know, he fought Tony Ferguson, and people were like, oh, shit. 0.98
02:53:10.000 Like, look how he dominated Tony. 0.99
02:53:12.000 And when Tony didn't tap from that armbar, oh. 0.99
02:53:15.000 That gives me fucking, yeah. 1.00
02:53:16.000 That shit's gross. 1.00
02:53:17.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:53:19.000 The craziest...
02:53:20.000 I've watched Benson highlights of him being in submissions and not getting submitted. 0.99
02:53:25.000 It's fucking insane. 0.96
02:53:27.000 It's just some guys. 0.99
02:53:29.000 I think Benson was the first high-level guy I watched at the gym when I went to the lab. 0.99
02:53:34.000 I was like, oh shit. 0.99
02:53:35.000 He was the first guy to implement calf kicks. 1.00
02:53:37.000 Yeah, his fucking legs, dude. 1.00
02:53:40.000 Giant. 1.00
02:53:41.000 I mean, I'm pretty sure he did just recently win in Ireland.
02:53:47.000 But yeah, I remember watching him.
02:53:48.000 His cardio is just something. 0.92
02:53:50.000 He'll fucking go on a trip, come back, spar five rounds, five fives, and just be like... 0.98
02:53:55.000 Wow. 1.00
02:53:55.000 It's insane. 1.00
02:53:56.000 But that's where I first kind of learned...
02:53:59.000 Championship mindset. 1.00
02:54:00.000 I was like, this motherfucker's mind is just always... 1.00
02:54:05.000 He's just a championship mindset. 1.00
02:54:07.000 It was cool to see.
02:54:09.000 But, yeah.
02:54:11.000 How old is he now?
02:54:13.000 39. Oh, wow.
02:54:14.000 Yeah.
02:54:15.000 And so, who is he fighting for right now?
02:54:16.000 Is he Bellator still?
02:54:17.000 Yeah.
02:54:18.000 So, he just fought in Ireland?
02:54:19.000 Is that what you're saying?
02:54:20.000 Yeah.
02:54:21.000 Look at that, Peter Queeley.
02:54:23.000 That's a good win.
02:54:24.000 Oh, it's hell. 0.98
02:54:25.000 He beat Islam. 0.99
02:54:26.000 Different Islam, but... 0.72
02:54:28.000 I don't know that gentleman who he beat.
02:54:31.000 Do you know who that is?
02:54:33.000 The Peter Queeley or Islam? 0.99
02:54:34.000 No, Peter Queeley is.
02:54:35.000 I'm not sure about the Islam guy.
02:54:36.000 There's so many guys.
02:54:38.000 If you want to follow Bellator, there's hundreds of guys over there.
02:54:43.000 They're really good.
02:54:43.000 It's kind of crazy.
02:54:45.000 There's so many...
02:54:46.000 If the overall landscape of MMA fighters...
02:54:48.000 Someone told me that the UFC has 1,000 fighters now.
02:54:50.000 Is that true?
02:54:51.000 That's a good question.
02:54:53.000 How many fighters does the UFC have signed?
02:54:56.000 Somebody told me it was 1,000, but it was like backstage.
02:54:58.000 I was like, what?
02:54:59.000 That seems like a lot.
02:55:00.000 Somebody else was saying it was 600. That seems more accurate.
02:55:03.000 It says as of 2021, there's a 689 contract.
02:55:07.000 Yeah, but that's 2021. Well, dude, they signed everybody on fucking Tuesday Night Contender Series. 0.97
02:55:12.000 You gotta win, get in here. 0.99
02:55:13.000 Yeah.
02:55:14.000 I mean, yeah, Contender Series was huge.
02:55:17.000 It was massive. 0.95
02:55:18.000 That was fucking brilliant. 0.98
02:55:19.000 When you were having your fight call by Snoop Dogg, how crazy was that? 0.99
02:55:24.000 Yeah, that was...
02:55:26.000 How crazy was that?
02:55:28.000 It's so crazy looking at my career, how things have played out so perfect.
02:55:32.000 The fact Snoop Dogg was there, that was the first time that I started getting busy on social media and starting to understand, okay, this is going to be a part.
02:55:43.000 Of my career, in my life, moving forward, and he would repost me, or post me, and then I started getting a bunch of followers from Snoop posting me. 0.97
02:55:52.000 And yeah, that was fucking insane.
02:55:55.000 And he's still to this day, I mean, you have a conversation with him, he'll call me Sugar Shane. 0.98
02:55:59.000 Sugar Shane! 0.99
02:56:00.000 Yeah, he'll still just call me Sugar Shane, so...
02:56:03.000 But I just keep it.
02:56:04.000 I'm just like, that's just Sugar Shane for the most part.
02:56:06.000 That's hilarious.
02:56:08.000 But yeah, that was massive for my career.
02:56:10.000 Just literally having Snoop Dogg.
02:56:12.000 And it was only that season they had Snoop in your eye doing the Snoop cast.
02:56:17.000 Well, it all came out of, I think, Snoop live streaming him watching the fights.
02:56:22.000 Oh, really?
02:56:23.000 I think that's where it came from.
02:56:25.000 Snoop cast.
02:56:26.000 Yeah, I think it came from just him talking into his phone and uploading it to social media.
02:56:31.000 And then I think there was like one famous knockout that he got.
02:56:36.000 Oh! Oh! 0.97
02:56:38.000 O'Malley!
02:56:39.000 Oh, Malley!
02:56:42.000 I still remember like vividly doing interviews.
02:56:45.000 It was like the first time doing big interviews at the UFC PI, like being around UFC staff, being just around that, just saying like, oh, I'm going to be bigger than Conor. 0.98
02:56:54.000 And like, I got so much shit for saying that. 0.81
02:56:56.000 Now we're like, I'm on the verge. 0.99
02:56:58.000 You know what I mean?
02:56:59.000 It's like, I'm getting there. 1.00
02:57:02.000 Holy pre-faced ass, pre-colored hair. 1.00
02:57:05.000 Look at you. 1.00
02:57:06.000 You're a little kid.
02:57:07.000 What does that feel like watching this?
02:57:12.000 It's weird.
02:57:14.000 That was, what, 2017?
02:57:19.000 I don't know.
02:57:19.000 It's almost embarrassing.
02:57:21.000 It's like fucking just such a young me. 0.98
02:57:24.000 Well, it's just a fascinating thing that they can capture that moment in time and you can watch it and it puts your head back to who you were then when it happened. 0.98
02:57:31.000 Yeah, I think specifically in that fight I was eating a vegan diet.
02:57:35.000 I was, I think, like 140 pounds when I walked into the cage, weighed in at 136. Wow.
02:57:40.000 I was just, so many things.
02:57:43.000 I remember having a really bad fight camp for that.
02:57:45.000 I had a concussion in that fight camp.
02:57:48.000 I got kneed in the head.
02:57:49.000 Wasn't really sparring.
02:57:50.000 Had the worst training camp of all time.
02:57:52.000 But still, like, that young me was just so confident.
02:57:55.000 I was on, like, I'd just come off a viral knockout over David Nuzo.
02:57:59.000 Have you seen that one?
02:58:00.000 You've probably seen it where I head kicked him this way and then spinning kicked him the other way.
02:58:05.000 Will you try to find that one?
02:58:05.000 Yeah, find that.
02:58:06.000 And so I was just coming off that.
02:58:08.000 So I had this confidence about me.
02:58:09.000 I had knocked a bunch of people out previous in my amateur career.
02:58:12.000 And I think I was, like, 5-0 pro.
02:58:14.000 And for some reason, like, in the backstage, I remember just being, like, super, super confident.
02:58:20.000 So this was a fight right before it.
02:58:21.000 Boom.
02:58:22.000 Oh, wow.
02:58:23.000 That was like one of my favorite knockouts of all time. 1.00
02:58:25.000 I thought that was just the sickest fuck. 1.00
02:58:26.000 That was in Phoenix. 1.00
02:58:27.000 That was the first time I fought on like a bigger card.
02:58:29.000 It was LFA. You know what really impressed me about you when I found this out is that you didn't have a background in traditional martial arts.
02:58:36.000 Just an athlete.
02:58:37.000 I just played ball sports and just...
02:58:39.000 I just was intuitive.
02:58:41.000 I just fought just...
02:58:43.000 I don't know.
02:58:44.000 Well, I think the ball sports, it forces all this movement left and right really quickly.
02:58:48.000 You know, if you think about playing basketball, you're...
02:58:51.000 Bam! 0.98
02:58:52.000 Beautiful.
02:58:53.000 Oh, that was so, so sad.
02:58:54.000 If you think about playing basketball, you're constantly jumping one side to the other.
02:58:58.000 It involves all this explosive footwork and movement.
02:59:01.000 Like when they talk to Lomachenko and he tells everybody his dad made him do Russian dance, traditional Russian dance for two years.
02:59:08.000 Watch him move, man.
02:59:10.000 Look at the way he moves.
02:59:11.000 It's incredible.
02:59:12.000 It's beautiful. 0.98
02:59:12.000 His footwork is fucking sensational. 0.98
02:59:14.000 That's an advantage that you have too. 0.99
02:59:17.000 But the kicking is like, it's really good.
02:59:21.000 Like it seems like you were like a black belt in karate or something.
02:59:24.000 Like when you watch you throw those kicks, if I didn't know, because you told me, I'd be like, oh yeah, he definitely was like a karate champion or something.
02:59:31.000 That's what it looks like.
02:59:32.000 It looks like you really know how to execute them, and it's over a relatively short amount of time of training them.
02:59:39.000 At that time, how long had you been even kicking?
02:59:41.000 Well, I'd say I started kickboxing and stuff when I was 16. And I was probably 21 or 22 in that.
02:59:48.000 But I was never taught how to kick from anybody.
02:59:52.000 That's crazy.
02:59:53.000 It was just natural...
02:59:56.000 Some people say they're born for certain things.
02:59:58.000 I'm like, I guess I'm just born to fight because I do throw pretty good techniques without having learned it.
03:00:03.000 That's amazing.
03:00:04.000 Well, did you watch a lot of fighting?
03:00:06.000 No, I never watched fighting.
03:00:07.000 That's hilarious.
03:00:08.000 I remember Tim would make fun of me when I first moved to Arizona.
03:00:14.000 We were living together because I was 19. He's like, dude, I couldn't name any of the UFC champs.
03:00:19.000 I was like, Jon Jones.
03:00:20.000 It was the only one I know.
03:00:21.000 Then his girlfriend, literally named from 25 all the way up, knew every one of them.
03:00:25.000 And I didn't know who was the champ in any of the divisions.
03:00:28.000 And I was living in Phoenix to get in the UFC. I just didn't watch it.
03:00:33.000 I just loved...
03:00:34.000 I think it was competition. 0.98
03:00:36.000 But I also fucking hated it. 0.97
03:00:38.000 Because when I first moved to the lab, never wrestled a day in my life. 0.97
03:00:42.000 And the lab's pretty known.
03:00:44.000 They're more of a wrestling, I'd say, grinder gym. 0.99
03:00:47.000 Dude, I got fucked up for years and years and years. 0.98
03:00:51.000 Go in, be like, alright, let's do two and twos, wrestling. 0.99
03:00:54.000 I didn't know how to fucking do a single leg or a double leg or any kind of wrestling. 0.97
03:00:58.000 I had no idea. 0.99
03:00:58.000 I would just get fucked up by the guys that were already in the UFC. It's crazy looking back. 0.99
03:01:04.000 I would leave practices crying, be like, this is my only fucking thing. 0.96
03:01:08.000 I want to be in the UFC, but I just had to tough it out for years at the lab. 0.96
03:01:14.000 Marlon Vera has a real similar story.
03:01:17.000 Yeah?
03:01:17.000 Yeah, he went to Jackson's.
03:01:19.000 Just couldn't wrestle at all.
03:01:20.000 That's funny.
03:01:21.000 He was, you know, just amateur. 0.99
03:01:23.000 Just getting mauled by all these pros and just going, what the fuck am I doing with my life? 0.99
03:01:27.000 Yeah. 0.99
03:01:27.000 I see people think I hate Tito. 0.99
03:01:28.000 I think he's a good dude.
03:01:29.000 And it's funny because when I do listen to him talk, he was on here, right?
03:01:32.000 I love that dude.
03:01:33.000 He eats saunas.
03:01:34.000 He eats healthy.
03:01:35.000 He's a father.
03:01:36.000 He's got daughters.
03:01:37.000 He's got kids.
03:01:38.000 We're similar. 0.99
03:01:39.000 People fucking think I hate him because I beat him up one time. 0.99
03:01:42.000 But it's not the case. 0.99
03:01:43.000 I think we're good.
03:01:43.000 We're buddies at the end of the day.
03:01:45.000 But he just...
03:01:46.000 Yeah, I don't know.
03:01:48.000 I've heard him talk about me sometimes.
03:01:50.000 Of course he's going to talk about you.
03:01:52.000 Yeah, but he just...
03:01:53.000 Just like you're talking about him right now.
03:01:55.000 Yeah, but I say I like him.
03:01:56.000 He says he hates me.
03:01:58.000 Maybe he doesn't say he hates me.
03:01:59.000 He's very competitive.
03:02:00.000 I bet if you guys weren't in the same division, you'd be friends.
03:02:03.000 Yeah, you never know.
03:02:04.000 You never know. 0.97
03:02:05.000 Maybe after I knock him out, we can fucking hang out sometime. 0.97
03:02:08.000 But that fight, that fight excites me. 0.98
03:02:11.000 This Peter Yan fight excited me so fucking much.
03:02:14.000 I reached a level of excitement I didn't know I had like... 0.85
03:02:19.000 I fight Eddie Wineland.
03:02:20.000 In my mind, I was superior as far as like, I'm better.
03:02:23.000 I'm going to knock this dude out.
03:02:24.000 It wasn't like a...
03:02:25.000 And then the Thomas Almeida fight was right after the Cheeto fight.
03:02:28.000 And the same thing.
03:02:29.000 I was like, I'm going to beat this dude.
03:02:30.000 I'm going to beat this dude.
03:02:31.000 The Pedro Munoz fight I was pretty excited about.
03:02:33.000 My top 10 guy.
03:02:34.000 But I looked at that fight.
03:02:35.000 I thought I was going to, you know, go in there and do what I do.
03:02:38.000 Ended how it ended.
03:02:39.000 But the Peter Jan fight.
03:02:40.000 I was so excited. 1.00
03:02:41.000 This is the best motherfucker in the world. 0.99
03:02:44.000 This is what I had been training for 10 plus years for, is to get this opportunity to go out there and compete with a guy this fucking good. 0.99
03:02:53.000 So in that camp, there was a level of excitement going into sparring. 0.92
03:02:58.000 It was different, but I feel like every fight moving forward is going to be like that.
03:03:04.000 But that Cheeto one is going to be even just different, just because of the back story.
03:03:08.000 Well, I think you and Tim and your camp were very smart in how you moved up.
03:03:15.000 You came into the sport and came into the UFC young and talented, and you did it very wisely.
03:03:24.000 And now that you got into a position where you could fight the best, like Piotr Jan, the fact that you were excited about it really says to me that management and a good coach that you trust that knows your abilities is really important.
03:03:37.000 It's really important in boxing.
03:03:39.000 In boxing, they don't throw you to the wolves right away if they think you're good.
03:03:43.000 They build you up.
03:03:44.000 They give you a guy who's going to show you this look.
03:03:46.000 That's why in boxing it's so common for a guy to get 10-0, 11-0 before he gets tested.
03:03:51.000 I think there's something to that, man. 0.98
03:03:53.000 I think we have this fucking do or die, fucking survival of the fittest, but you're professional athletes. 0.98
03:03:59.000 And I think to maximize the potential of a professional athlete I think you have to match them up carefully. 0.99
03:04:07.000 Because if you get in there with Alex Pajeda, you know, and you're a guy who likes to bang it out, but maybe you really don't have good wrestling, and oh, Jesus Christ.
03:04:18.000 And you see that guy on the other, and you know they're building him up.
03:04:21.000 And so you have this thing in your head, like, you're being fed to the wolf.
03:04:25.000 You don't want that.
03:04:26.000 That's not good.
03:04:27.000 If you have potential, like maybe if that didn't happen, and maybe you fought someone who was commensurate with you and beat them, and maybe learned a little bit more about footwork, maybe got a little bit better at takedowns, maybe got a little bit better at fighting off the cage, and then two years later, three years later, then you can get in there with an elite guy and you'll have confidence that you can compete with him.
03:04:44.000 But you see sometimes when guys know they're being fed to the wolves, it's not a good look. 0.67
03:04:50.000 It's a fucking terrible feeling. 0.99
03:04:51.000 UFC is a fucking business at the end of the day. 1.00
03:04:55.000 They did what they did with me. 0.99
03:04:58.000 They saw me as a potential superstar.
03:05:00.000 They did it very wisely.
03:05:02.000 We're here. 1.00
03:05:03.000 And your sky's the limit too, man, because the fucking division is filled with assassins. 1.00
03:05:08.000 Sanhagen, he's a fucking assassin. 1.00
03:05:10.000 That Song Yudong fight, holy shit. 1.00
03:05:12.000 We were there for the apex for that. 0.98
03:05:14.000 That's why I love the Apex.
03:05:16.000 You could be right there.
03:05:17.000 There's like 100 people in the whole room.
03:05:19.000 I hate that cage. 1.00
03:05:21.000 I fucking hate the small cage. 1.00
03:05:22.000 Smaller, huh? 0.99
03:05:22.000 I like the big cage, especially for my style. 0.99
03:05:24.000 I'm sure wrestlers, short guys that like to get inside and push people against the cage, they probably love the Apex. 0.68
03:05:29.000 Don't you think they should just make it bigger?
03:05:30.000 The Apex cage?
03:05:31.000 Make it all the same.
03:05:32.000 I don't know why.
03:05:33.000 How much bigger is it?
03:05:35.000 Like 40% bigger.
03:05:36.000 Like quite a bit bigger.
03:05:37.000 So is there room in the Apex center?
03:05:39.000 Oh yeah.
03:05:39.000 So why don't they make that bigger cage?
03:05:40.000 I have no idea.
03:05:42.000 Wouldn't it be better?
03:05:43.000 Yeah, way better.
03:05:44.000 When I saw Francis fight Stipe in that little cage.
03:05:46.000 Dude, Derrick Lewis is fighting this weekend in the Apex.
03:05:49.000 That's terrifying.
03:05:50.000 That's right.
03:05:50.000 Against that Spivak guy.
03:05:52.000 That guy's a beast too.
03:05:53.000 Yeah, I haven't seen him compete.
03:05:55.000 I don't think.
03:05:55.000 I might have.
03:05:56.000 I just don't know his name.
03:05:57.000 But Francis versus Stipe there was terrifying.
03:05:59.000 Yeah.
03:06:00.000 That was Patient Francis, too.
03:06:02.000 Yeah, so look at that.
03:06:03.000 7.62 meter diameter versus 9.14.
03:06:08.000 Wow, 44%.
03:06:09.000 44% larger.
03:06:11.000 Yeah, man.
03:06:11.000 It's a whole different sport.
03:06:13.000 Don't they have the room to put that big one in there? 0.69
03:06:15.000 Dana, let's put the big one in there. 0.99
03:06:17.000 I used to be a fan of the little one, but now I'm really a fan of like a fucking basketball court. 0.99
03:06:22.000 Yeah. 0.99
03:06:22.000 That's what I want. 0.99
03:06:23.000 I've heard you talk about that.
03:06:24.000 On a flat surface with, you know, very clear out of bounds. 0.96
03:06:29.000 So there's no bullshit with plenty of room.
03:06:31.000 If we could do it for basketball and you could do it for football, tell me why you can't do it for MMA. Because the cage is a fucking weapon. 1.00
03:06:38.000 It's a thing. 1.00
03:06:39.000 You can shove someone against it and hold them.
03:06:41.000 You could use it to get back up.
03:06:43.000 There's a lot of things that happen with the cage.
03:06:44.000 It limits movement.
03:06:45.000 If you're going for a submission and you want to turn towards the cage and you can't, you're stuck and maybe you lose position.
03:06:51.000 So things change because of this barrier. 0.92
03:06:53.000 And it's a shitty barrier to see through. 0.99
03:06:56.000 It was hardcore in the fucking beginning, bro. 1.00
03:06:58.000 We're in a fucking cage, bro. 0.99
03:07:00.000 But that's also why I think it had a hard time gaining acceptance. 1.00
03:07:03.000 Because you're locked in a fucking cage. 0.99
03:07:05.000 Dude, when I was first doing comedy, Jane and I talk about this all the time. 1.00
03:07:08.000 When we first got involved in the UFC, it was like telling people that you're involved in porn.
03:07:12.000 That's what it was like.
03:07:13.000 They're like, what are you doing?
03:07:15.000 What are you doing?
03:07:16.000 That's crazy.
03:07:16.000 Not that long ago.
03:07:17.000 Cage fighting?
03:07:18.000 You're involved in cage fighting?
03:07:19.000 Was that early 2000s or?
03:07:21.000 90s.
03:07:21.000 Late 90s?
03:07:22.000 Dude, the first event I did was in 97. Holy shit. 0.98
03:07:27.000 I remember seeing the old school videos and shit. 1.00
03:07:29.000 That's crazy. 0.97
03:07:31.000 97?
03:07:32.000 I was three.
03:07:33.000 You were a baby.
03:07:33.000 I was three.
03:07:34.000 You were a baby.
03:07:35.000 And I was in Dothan, Alabama. 1.00
03:07:38.000 With a fucking microphone. 0.99
03:07:39.000 I had no coaching. 1.00
03:07:41.000 No one told me what to do.
03:07:42.000 I wrote a bunch of questions out on a piece of paper, so I wouldn't fuck it up.
03:07:45.000 I was like, I can't fuck this up.
03:07:46.000 I can't choke. 0.98
03:07:47.000 Because I'm like, if I get in front of Mark Coleman, I might fucking panic. 0.98
03:07:50.000 And I did. 0.98
03:07:50.000 I fucking completely panicked. 0.98
03:07:52.000 But luckily, I had questions. 0.98
03:07:54.000 And a good one.
03:07:54.000 So I had some prepared questions.
03:07:56.000 Like, how important it was for him to be the first wrestler to win the UFC heavyweight title.
03:08:00.000 And he was like, oh, that's a good question.
03:08:02.000 So we're alright, but it was like him after he smashed Dan Severin. 1.00
03:08:05.000 He's looking at me like who the fuck are you? 0.99
03:08:07.000 And this is like bare knuckle times like their bare knuckle, head butts, wrestling shoes on. 1.00
03:08:14.000 It was a totally different world. 0.99
03:08:15.000 Yeah, but that was intimidating as fuck. 1.00
03:08:17.000 Intimidating as fuck. 1.00
03:08:18.000 Walking in there. 1.00
03:08:18.000 It was live, like live on TV. Yes, live on pay-per-view. 1.00
03:08:21.000 I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. 0.99
03:08:24.000 Yeah, well, that's crazy. 1.00
03:08:26.000 I'm an idiot. 1.00
03:08:26.000 We're still all fucking idiots. 1.00
03:08:27.000 And it was like back then it was so raw. 1.00
03:08:31.000 It was so raw.
03:08:32.000 It was like UFC 12. It was so raw.
03:08:35.000 The experience was so raw.
03:08:36.000 Dudes were grabbing shorts. 0.99
03:08:38.000 I remember Waleed Ishmael fought this guy and the guy gave him this crazy wedgie and was grabbing his jockstrap and shoving it up his ass while he was fighting him. 0.97
03:08:46.000 You can grab clothes. 0.91
03:08:47.000 When Trey Telegman fought Vitor, he didn't have gloves on.
03:08:50.000 He tried to fight bare knuckle. 0.79
03:08:52.000 Yeah, you could say gloves or no gloves.
03:08:54.000 Or one.
03:08:55.000 Most of those guys were going no gloves. 1.00
03:08:58.000 Fuck that. 1.00
03:08:58.000 And they could headbutt. 1.00
03:08:59.000 Oh, a nut shot, right? 0.95
03:09:00.000 I don't know.
03:09:01.000 Was that the only one?
03:09:01.000 Nut shots were still legal.
03:09:02.000 Fuck that. 1.00
03:09:03.000 For the first bunch of fights, nut shots were legal. 1.00
03:09:07.000 I don't know when they stopped, but I remember Keith Hackney versus Joe Son.
03:09:10.000 Joe Son had Keith Hackney in a headlock, and Keith Hackney just punched him in the nuts.
03:09:15.000 Over and over again, just straight shots to the nuts.
03:09:19.000 I wouldn't compete.
03:09:21.000 I would not be in the UFC now.
03:09:23.000 Headbutts, groin shots.
03:09:25.000 I don't even like stomps on the ground.
03:09:27.000 I'm glad that's not in the UFC. You don't like it?
03:09:30.000 Think it should be illegal?
03:09:32.000 I like the UFC rules right now.
03:09:35.000 What if you were really good at stomps?
03:09:37.000 I bet you'd be really good at stomps.
03:09:38.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't really take people down much.
03:09:42.000 But if you kick someone's legs out from under them?
03:09:44.000 And then stomp them? 0.99
03:09:45.000 I'd rather choke them. 1.00
03:09:46.000 I'd rather fucking Darce choke them or something. 1.00
03:09:49.000 But in certain opportunities, it is a weapon that you would use. 0.99
03:09:53.000 Like, if you were in a life-or-death situation, it's certainly an effective weapon to use in some positions. 0.99
03:09:59.000 Yeah, I mean, dude, when people are trying to get up against the cage, and you're kind of standing over them, a nasty fucking soccer kick. 0.97
03:10:05.000 This is why I say basketball court. 0.98
03:10:08.000 No cage to get up on.
03:10:09.000 No cage to get up on.
03:10:10.000 You don't get your head trapped.
03:10:11.000 I feel like I would be...
03:10:12.000 Yeah, so here's Keith Acne.
03:10:13.000 Oh, God.
03:10:14.000 Nut shots, bro. 1.00
03:10:15.000 Fuck that. 1.00
03:10:16.000 UFC 4. Look at these straight shots to the junk. 1.00
03:10:19.000 No cup, right? 0.99
03:10:20.000 Straight shots to the junk. 0.98
03:10:21.000 Even... 0.97
03:10:22.000 Well, it looks like you might wear a cup, but still.
03:10:24.000 Yeah. 0.99
03:10:24.000 That'd fucking hurt your hand probably. 0.99
03:10:26.000 Depends on... 0.99
03:10:26.000 Dude. 0.99
03:10:27.000 But dude, a basketball court, I feel like I'd be dominant. 0.99
03:10:30.000 I feel like no one would fuck with me if they couldn't take me down. 1.00
03:10:32.000 If someone couldn't get me up against a cage and take me down, I don't see motherfuckers... 0.99
03:10:36.000 Also, if someone did take you down, you'd have to earn getting back up to your feet. 0.99
03:10:40.000 You can't use the cage.
03:10:42.000 You'd have to try to get it back up to your feet from being flat on your back on the ground.
03:10:46.000 I feel like I would be good at that, just creating a scramble, going triangle omoplata.
03:10:51.000 I'm very active off my back.
03:10:52.000 I feel like that would benefit me.
03:10:54.000 You know what would be really wild?
03:10:55.000 If people did what Gordon Ryan is doing in MMA and challenged people to no-time-limit fights.
03:11:02.000 No rounds.
03:11:03.000 No time limit. 1.00
03:11:05.000 Yeah, fuck that. 1.00
03:11:07.000 I mean, fuck that. 1.00
03:11:10.000 I wouldn't really... 1.00
03:11:11.000 I don't know.
03:11:13.000 God, you get some...
03:11:15.000 Yeah, I mean...
03:11:16.000 Who would dominate the sport? 1.00
03:11:19.000 Fucking... 1.00
03:11:21.000 I don't know. 1.00
03:11:22.000 The guy's the best fucking just gas tanks. 0.98
03:11:26.000 Guys who are the best at managing distance or managing their energy. 0.98
03:11:31.000 And also, I think, the best grapplers.
03:11:33.000 Unlimited rounds or no rounds?
03:11:35.000 Just one.
03:11:35.000 Just one.
03:11:37.000 The thing is, though, if you can't take the guy down, and if there's no cage, if you can't take a guy down and there's no cage, and you're moving towards him, and every time he's whack, whack, he's chopping at those legs, whack, whack, you can't corner him anywhere, and he's moving, and he's backing away, and he's got plenty of room behind him, and plenty of room, like, space is not an option anymore.
03:11:58.000 It's not an issue at all.
03:11:59.000 We're talking about a giant arena, and a big center area, and the fighters meet in the very center, and there's very clear, out-of-bounds lines.
03:12:07.000 But they're far.
03:12:08.000 I'd feel very confident.
03:12:09.000 That would be a completely different sport, right? 0.98
03:12:13.000 But that would be a sport, like, imagine if you played basketball, but there was, like, fucking shelves in the middle of the court, right? 0.98
03:12:19.000 Yeah. 1.00
03:12:19.000 You'd be so stupid. 1.00
03:12:20.000 Like, why is the shelf there? 1.00
03:12:21.000 I could just fucking coast through this empty space, but instead there's a desk and a table. 0.55
03:12:26.000 Objects. 1.00
03:12:27.000 That's dumb. 0.98
03:12:27.000 Like, why is there a cage? 0.98
03:12:28.000 It sucks to see.
03:12:30.000 Yeah, you can never pay-per-view that, huh, the timeless? 1.00
03:12:32.000 If you're there live, it's the shit because the energy's insane. 0.96
03:12:36.000 But how many times are you looking up at the big screen? 0.99
03:12:38.000 Especially if they're fighting in that little corner area where the post is. 0.99
03:12:42.000 I can't see shit. 0.98
03:12:43.000 I'm five feet away and I'm looking at a screen. 1.00
03:12:46.000 Yeah, the cage does fuck with it. 0.98
03:12:48.000 And then the ref sometimes. 0.99
03:12:50.000 He's got to be right there, but I guess that has to be the case anyway. 0.99
03:12:53.000 Well, some refs, there's some shit, some eye pokes, they just can't see. 1.00
03:12:57.000 They have to make a judgment call on the spot. 1.00
03:12:59.000 Fuck, being a ref would be tough. 0.99
03:13:01.000 What did you think about Goddard's call? 1.00
03:13:03.000 I think, first of all, Mark Goddard's one of the best ever. 0.97
03:13:06.000 He's fucking phenomenal. 0.93
03:13:07.000 I agree with him almost always. 0.99
03:13:09.000 I don't think I've ever disagreed.
03:13:10.000 I mean, everyone's gonna make a bad call every now and again or do something, but I think that guy is as good as they get. 0.97
03:13:16.000 And when he stopped the fight, a lot of people were like, damn, I don't know.
03:13:20.000 Maybe he could have let it go a little longer. 0.95
03:13:22.000 I think the ref has to know which guys are capable of what.
03:13:28.000 Obviously, he knows Alex Pajada is so dangerous.
03:13:30.000 I think, because I like Izzy so much, I was okay with the stoppage.
03:13:36.000 Like, I just feel like Izzy's a good dude.
03:13:38.000 I've met him a few times. 0.96
03:13:39.000 I really fucking like him. 0.98
03:13:40.000 I think he's a good human. 0.97
03:13:41.000 I like what he's doing.
03:13:41.000 I think he's a great champion.
03:13:43.000 And the fact, if Alex would have KO'd him clean, that would have been very hard to see.
03:13:49.000 And he could have hit him with a knee.
03:13:51.000 Oh, it could have been bad.
03:13:52.000 Izzy was like head down, moving like that, and wasn't moving very fast. 1.00
03:13:57.000 And I know his mind was there, but his body was not moving fast anymore.
03:14:01.000 He got clipped with some big shots.
03:14:03.000 Yeah.
03:14:03.000 I think it was a good stoppage.
03:14:04.000 I agree.
03:14:05.000 But I could see how Izzy would say, bring back Steve Mott's body.
03:14:10.000 I think he was saying that...
03:14:12.000 I saw a clip.
03:14:13.000 He was saying that before the fight.
03:14:15.000 He was saying, I hope Steve Maserati...
03:14:17.000 Maserati.
03:14:18.000 I saw Derek.
03:14:19.000 Steve was in the fight so he could tee off on Alex and not have the fight stop.
03:14:23.000 Then he could just keep beating up Alex.
03:14:25.000 He said that before the fight.
03:14:26.000 Then I heard him say it after the fight.
03:14:28.000 So I think he was kind of being funny, but I also was like...
03:14:31.000 Oh, he was definitely being funny.
03:14:32.000 But he was also saying, look, he's a champion.
03:14:34.000 Of course he's going to think that he could survive.
03:14:36.000 He's like, if I make it out of that round, anything could have happened.
03:14:39.000 A couple minutes left, he starts circling around and you never know.
03:14:43.000 You never know.
03:14:43.000 But it wasn't trending well.
03:14:45.000 Very fast.
03:14:46.000 Negative.
03:14:46.000 Yeah, very bad.
03:14:47.000 And that guy is a fucking murderous puncher. 1.00
03:14:51.000 We saw that knee that he landed on Willness. 1.00
03:14:53.000 Imagine landing that there.
03:14:55.000 Especially he's up against the cage.
03:14:56.000 He's kind of moving around.
03:14:58.000 Not looking too sharp.
03:15:00.000 Bro.
03:15:01.000 It sucks because for Izzy, he's fought such a good fight.
03:15:03.000 The only time he was really in danger is when he was up against the cage.
03:15:06.000 And it's like, that's the skill is not getting put up against the cage.
03:15:11.000 And he did such a good job doing that.
03:15:13.000 And then 23 minutes into the fight...
03:15:15.000 What was those calf kicks?
03:15:17.000 Yeah.
03:15:17.000 He got hit with those calf kicks early on.
03:15:18.000 I watched that again.
03:15:21.000 See if you can see if there's like a video showing Alex Pajeda first round calf kicks.
03:15:25.000 He landed like five or six of them in a row.
03:15:28.000 They were hard.
03:15:30.000 I feel like I kind of remember, but I want to see.
03:15:31.000 He's got that real sneaky way of doing it, man.
03:15:34.000 He's not like looking at your calf at all. 0.98
03:15:37.000 You know, he's distracting you with certain movements and there's no wind-up to it and it just fucking slams home. 0.68
03:15:43.000 And he checked a lot of the ones that Izzy threw. 0.81
03:15:46.000 Which hurt.
03:15:47.000 Yes.
03:15:48.000 His checks were on point.
03:15:50.000 He was always lifting his shin up.
03:15:51.000 Always.
03:15:52.000 Every time Izzy's throwing kicks, he's lifting his shin up.
03:15:56.000 You gotta think that guy was tuned in for glory kickboxing.
03:16:00.000 Two division champions. 0.97
03:16:01.000 He's fighting all those guys that are kicking the shit out of each other. 0.59
03:16:04.000 I mean, and no takedowns at all. 0.94
03:16:07.000 So you have to be so on point with your checks.
03:16:09.000 I feel like Izzy had so many...
03:16:12.000 I go back to when I said I want to be well-rounded.
03:16:15.000 I want to be known.
03:16:16.000 I can do everything.
03:16:17.000 I can grapple. 0.99
03:16:17.000 I can fucking wrestle. 0.99
03:16:18.000 I can strike. 1.00
03:16:19.000 He had so many opportunities. 1.00
03:16:21.000 Alec's a big motherfucker, though. 1.00
03:16:23.000 Huge! 1.00
03:16:23.000 He had opportunities to wrestle. 1.00
03:16:25.000 He was in the clinches.
03:16:26.000 He was in certain positions to be able to, you know...
03:16:28.000 Well, that second round when he had his back, man.
03:16:31.000 Yeah.
03:16:31.000 I mean, he had the potential to land big shots, too.
03:16:33.000 He was riding his back for quite a while.
03:16:35.000 Yeah.
03:16:35.000 But imagine, even in the third, fourth, they were in the clinch, there were options for him to wrestle where Alex, who knows, if he has the certain skill set to defend even a lower level wrestler.
03:16:47.000 Right.
03:16:48.000 I feel like if Izzy was just a better wrestler, easier said than done. 0.68
03:16:53.000 But also you've got to think Pejeta probably didn't train a lot of wrestling for this camp.
03:16:58.000 Yeah.
03:16:58.000 He probably felt this was going to be a stand-up war.
03:17:00.000 100%.
03:17:01.000 That's what Izzy does in all of his fights. 1.00
03:17:03.000 Izzy almost got him in the first round. 0.98
03:17:05.000 Dude, that left hook landed like right at the bell maybe after, but if there was one or two seconds left and he threw a right hand to right left, boom, that right could have fucking just... 0.87
03:17:13.000 It could have been over. 0.99
03:17:15.000 God, imagine.
03:17:16.000 That's so crazy.
03:17:17.000 It could have been like the Derrick Brunson KO. Yeah.
03:17:19.000 You know, I mean, as he gets sharp when he sees, he's a sniper.
03:17:23.000 Yeah.
03:17:23.000 That Derrick Brunson KO, that KO was a thing of beauty.
03:17:26.000 Yeah.
03:17:27.000 It was just perfect precision.
03:17:28.000 Just pop, pop, pop, pop.
03:17:30.000 He moves in on him and just, oh my goodness.
03:17:33.000 Yeah, he had him.
03:17:34.000 I mean, he had him.
03:17:35.000 He had him with zero time.
03:17:37.000 Literally, yeah, no seconds left.
03:17:38.000 Perfect right hand, wobbles, left hook, bam. 0.80
03:17:41.000 He was hurt.
03:17:43.000 He was seriously hurt.
03:17:45.000 Really hurt.
03:17:45.000 He recovered well.
03:17:46.000 Yeah, must have been in good fucking shape. 0.99
03:17:48.000 Yeah, he recovered well and he got so fortunate that the bell was right there. 0.99
03:17:54.000 I mean, imagine if that was like two minutes into the fight, he cracks him with that.
03:17:56.000 Yeah, he definitely dealt with some adversity.
03:17:58.000 I mean, yeah, the round where Izzy had his back.
03:18:00.000 Did he ever have hooks in and was trying to choke, or was he just kind of riding him, standing on top, throwing?
03:18:04.000 I don't remember if he had two hooks.
03:18:06.000 He was on the back for a long time, and he was flowing back and forth from different positions, but holding the top position in a way that you're like, I mean, I'm sure Izzy's really good at grappling, but he's not known for it.
03:18:17.000 Yeah.
03:18:17.000 He's known for being able to survive on his back and get up on his feet and stuff Marvin Vittori's take-down attempts.
03:18:24.000 Yeah, impressive. 0.97
03:18:25.000 Alex fucking took Izzy down, didn't he? 0.99
03:18:26.000 He'd shoot a double-A? Yeah, he did. 0.99
03:18:28.000 He did.
03:18:30.000 I think that was the end of the first round, right?
03:18:33.000 End of the first round, he was getting knocked out.
03:18:35.000 Or damn near knocked out. 0.80
03:18:35.000 No. 0.80
03:18:35.000 Was it in the second round? 0.80
03:18:36.000 Might have been.
03:18:37.000 In the second round.
03:18:37.000 That's right.
03:18:38.000 In the first round, he almost got knocked out.
03:18:39.000 But yeah, Alex...
03:18:40.000 In the second round, he took him down.
03:18:41.000 That was some adversity.
03:18:42.000 I mean, that's...
03:18:43.000 Oh, for sure.
03:18:43.000 That was impressive.
03:18:44.000 Yeah.
03:18:45.000 And now, I mean, ooh, what do you do?
03:18:47.000 I mean, the rematch is very compelling, right?
03:18:50.000 It was a very close fight.
03:18:51.000 In fact, Izzy was ahead.
03:18:53.000 Three rounds to one.
03:18:54.000 Yeah.
03:18:54.000 Going into the fourth, but it was always that the feeling of danger was always there when Pajero was like March towards him and get him close to the cage like Jesus Christ So in the rematch, Izzy's going to be way more careful with that calf kick, right?
03:19:11.000 Yeah.
03:19:11.000 So what does he do differently?
03:19:13.000 Izzy can fight southpaw.
03:19:15.000 That's one thing.
03:19:16.000 I mean, he does fight southpaw very well.
03:19:18.000 He can fight from any position.
03:19:20.000 Yeah, does he wrestle more?
03:19:22.000 Yeah, what does he do?
03:19:23.000 But wrestling is so much easier said than done. 0.94
03:19:26.000 Wrestling is such a hard, especially with that switched knee that dude throws and just fucking so dangerous. 0.89
03:19:32.000 Yeah. 0.92
03:19:32.000 Well, now he knows what went wrong, right? 0.92
03:19:35.000 Yeah.
03:19:35.000 You cannot be compromised when you're with that guy.
03:19:39.000 Right.
03:19:39.000 So he's got to move around.
03:19:41.000 But Pajeda's going to know he can do it again. 1.00
03:19:43.000 Fuck. 1.00
03:19:43.000 He's going to know he can do it again. 1.00
03:19:44.000 He did it again.
03:19:45.000 He knocked him out two fights in a row.
03:19:47.000 Knocked him out in kickboxing and knocked him out in MMA for the world title.
03:19:50.000 That's insane.
03:19:50.000 He's going to know he can do it again.
03:19:51.000 But what do you do if you're the UFC? Do you risk Pajeda against a Marvin Vittori or Pajeda against a Robert Whitaker?
03:19:58.000 Because if Izzy doesn't fight him right away and one of those guys is really good at wrestling, I mean, Hamzat's moving up to 85 too, right?
03:20:05.000 Dude.
03:20:06.000 Who makes the most money in that division? 0.99
03:20:08.000 I mean, right now probably is he just because he's been champ for so long, but Hamzat's a fucking problem. 1.00
03:20:14.000 He's a problem. 0.99
03:20:15.000 I thought they were going to take Hamzat and give him one more chance at 170. Well, Colby, right? 0.87
03:20:21.000 Is that accurate?
03:20:23.000 Well, Colby could fight at 85 too if he chose to.
03:20:26.000 No.
03:20:27.000 If he chose to. 0.99
03:20:28.000 I think Colby probably walks around fucking 190. Right. 0.99
03:20:32.000 I mean, yeah, he could. 0.97
03:20:32.000 Skill-wise, he's fucking definitely skilled enough to. 0.97
03:20:35.000 But if he just chose to not cut weight at all, it's not like it's impossible. 0.93
03:20:38.000 He's not a small guy.
03:20:39.000 He's just real lean.
03:20:41.000 Oh, I've never been around him in person, but he doesn't seem like he cuts a ton for 170. No.
03:20:46.000 Well, his pace is so crazy that he can't be drained.
03:20:49.000 Yeah, that's true.
03:20:50.000 He fights.
03:20:51.000 He just breaks people.
03:20:53.000 Yeah.
03:20:53.000 You know?
03:20:53.000 He says he always throws punches like 50-60%.
03:20:56.000 Yeah.
03:20:56.000 Everything's 50-60%.
03:20:58.000 God, oh yeah, he hasn't fought.
03:21:00.000 According to ESPN, Brett Okamoto, he has asked for Pereira in January at UFC 283 in Brazil and then said he would turn around two months later to fight Colby in March.
03:21:11.000 Who, Hubsa?
03:21:12.000 Yeah.
03:21:13.000 See, they're not going to give Hamza a title shot at 185. Listen, if they did give Hamza a title shot in Brazil and he strangles Pejeta in front of the Brazilians, good luck getting out of there.
03:21:24.000 Dude, Pejeta ain't taking that fight.
03:21:26.000 Don't take that fight.
03:21:27.000 Listen, the Izzy fight is the big money fight anyway. 0.89
03:21:30.000 That's the big money fight.
03:21:31.000 Well, he gets pay-per-view now.
03:21:32.000 Yeah, he's the champion.
03:21:33.000 Yeah, that's great.
03:21:34.000 Yeah.
03:21:34.000 It's amazing.
03:21:35.000 Look, I was a giant fan of that guy before he ever fought in MMA. And when he fought in MMA, I was so happy.
03:21:40.000 I remember you saying that early before he even got signed.
03:21:43.000 Right as he got signed or something.
03:21:44.000 He's the outlier of all outliers when it comes to striking.
03:21:48.000 He's that power outlier.
03:21:50.000 Find his highlight KO reel.
03:21:53.000 Bro, it's preposterous.
03:21:55.000 His highlight KO reel is like, like, what is he doing?
03:21:59.000 Like, how is he hitting them so hard? 0.99
03:22:01.000 It's like, sort of like when Deontay Wilder KOs people, you're like, what the fuck, man? 0.99
03:22:06.000 Just touches him. 0.96
03:22:06.000 Deontay knocked that dude off balance, and he hit him with one of these, and the dude just, like, was dead. 0.96
03:22:13.000 It's that, I feel like that long, that length, that snap of the punch.
03:22:19.000 But his is also snappy and heavy.
03:22:22.000 Heavy.
03:22:22.000 It's a dangerous combination.
03:22:23.000 Yeah, because he's a big guy and he's also long.
03:22:26.000 A big fella.
03:22:27.000 Yeah, he's, you know, I mean, even when he was like 209, he fought Tyson Fury the first fight, he was 209. Yeah.
03:22:32.000 And flattened Tyson.
03:22:33.000 That was Crazy!
03:22:37.000 Did you see Tommy, or Tyson Fury's dad yelling at Jake, took his shirt off and was yelling at him in the boxing ring?
03:22:43.000 Really?
03:22:44.000 You didn't see that?
03:22:44.000 No.
03:22:45.000 Jamie, you gotta pull that off.
03:22:46.000 What did we ask you to pull up first, though?
03:22:48.000 Oh, get the...
03:22:49.000 No, no, no.
03:22:50.000 Pajera.
03:22:51.000 Alex Pajera KO Reel.
03:22:54.000 KO Highlight Reel.
03:22:55.000 No, we should show the Jason Willness one, that one.
03:22:58.000 But there's a shitload of them.
03:23:00.000 And they're all like that.
03:23:01.000 What's his record?
03:23:02.000 Kickbox of glory?
03:23:03.000 He definitely lost.
03:23:04.000 He lost to Willness by decision.
03:23:06.000 He lost to a few guys.
03:23:07.000 He lost to Vahitov, who's elite, in his last fight.
03:23:10.000 And that was a split decision right before he came over to MMA. And then he fought that one fight in LFA. He won that fight.
03:23:18.000 And then they signed him to the UFC. Andrew Tate knocked out Pajeta.
03:23:22.000 So look at these KOs.
03:23:23.000 Did he really?
03:23:24.000 What?
03:23:25.000 What are you saying?
03:23:26.000 Oh, that left hook! 1.00
03:23:29.000 And that's Simon Marcus. 1.00
03:23:31.000 Simon Marcus is a bad motherfucker, dude. 1.00
03:23:34.000 That left hook, dude. 1.00
03:23:35.000 But I don't think he knocked Simon Marcus out here.
03:23:39.000 I think he just dropped him.
03:23:40.000 Top 10 kickboxing knockout.
03:23:42.000 But he knocked everybody out.
03:23:43.000 Dude, that left hook.
03:23:44.000 Come on, son.
03:23:45.000 But look what happens when he hits people.
03:23:47.000 Look what happens.
03:23:48.000 They just go off. 1.00
03:23:50.000 He's so good at fucking going downstairs, upstairs. 1.00
03:23:54.000 That right to the body, left hook. 1.00
03:23:55.000 Look at it.
03:23:56.000 Bink, boom.
03:23:57.000 My goodness.
03:23:58.000 Yeah, that is a gnarly left hook.
03:24:00.000 That's the Izzy one.
03:24:01.000 I've seen that about 400 times.
03:24:03.000 Yeah, you don't need to see that one again.
03:24:04.000 Let's see this one.
03:24:05.000 This one.
03:24:07.000 Boom! 0.99
03:24:08.000 Just a sniper right hand.
03:24:09.000 That left hook would have been bad. 1.00
03:24:13.000 It's just the power he generates.
03:24:15.000 It's the same kind of thing that we were talking about with Deontay.
03:24:18.000 That long frame, but heavily muscled.
03:24:21.000 Check.
03:24:23.000 Yeah, you're right about this.
03:24:25.000 Once you start feeling that thud, you're like, oh Jesus Christ.
03:24:31.000 Jesus.
03:24:31.000 He just puts it on you, man.
03:24:34.000 Like, that's how he's the outlier of outliers.
03:24:36.000 Because, like, there's extraordinary power, and then there's, like, Poiton power. 1.00
03:24:41.000 It's just everybody who gets hit is like, what the fuck, man? 1.00
03:24:44.000 Looks like what the fuck. 1.00
03:24:45.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00
03:24:47.000 You gotta see Tommy's dad yelling at Jake with his shirt off in the ring. 1.00
03:24:51.000 Just look coked up, just fucking having a... 0.99
03:24:54.000 It's funny. 1.00
03:24:55.000 And Jake was sitting there talking, and his dad's fucking tits hanging, just yelling at him. 1.00
03:25:03.000 I wonder if they'll show him just ripping his shirt. 1.00
03:25:06.000 Nobody likes you. 0.97
03:25:08.000 You're embarrassing. 1.00
03:25:10.000 You're a fat, miserable old man. 1.00
03:25:11.000 Back it up to the beginning so we can hear what he said at the first. 1.00
03:25:14.000 Come fight me right now, bro.
03:25:17.000 That's a big boy.
03:25:18.000 Look at him. 1.00
03:25:22.000 I'm the fucking king. 1.00
03:25:23.000 You're embarrassing. 1.00
03:25:25.000 You're a fat, miserable old man. 1.00
03:25:27.000 He looks nervous as hell. 1.00
03:25:29.000 Yeah, I didn't watch the boxing fight, but I thought that was so fucking funny. 0.97
03:25:33.000 Just ripping his shirt off in the middle of the boxing cage. 0.94
03:25:36.000 That's who those folks are. 1.00
03:25:37.000 They're fucking wild people. 1.00
03:25:39.000 Yeah. 1.00
03:25:39.000 That's a wild family. 1.00
03:25:41.000 And for Tyson Fury to come out of that, man, that's strong stock.
03:25:44.000 Yeah.
03:25:45.000 That's strong stock. 0.99
03:25:46.000 That dude's fucking good. 0.98
03:25:47.000 Yeah, he's fun to watch. 0.99
03:25:49.000 He's so massive, but so fucking quick-footed. 1.00
03:25:53.000 When he fought Deontay in the last fight, he's standing across the ring from him and he goes, you're a bitch. 1.00
03:25:59.000 You're a bitch. 1.00
03:26:00.000 He's like staring him down. 1.00
03:26:01.000 You're a bitch. 1.00
03:26:02.000 You're my bitch. 1.00
03:26:03.000 And you can see Deontay was like, what the fuck, man? 1.00
03:26:06.000 Because Deontay put on a lot of weight for that fight, didn't he? 0.99
03:26:09.000 Like quite a bit for the second one?
03:26:11.000 For the second one. 0.99
03:26:12.000 It was the second or the third one he was calling him a bitch. 1.00
03:26:14.000 Oh, they have three? 1.00
03:26:15.000 Don't they?
03:26:16.000 They might, actually.
03:26:18.000 Was it the first one where Deontay dropped him?
03:26:20.000 Yeah, the first one Deontay dropped him.
03:26:22.000 They have three.
03:26:23.000 And then he stopped him twice. 1.00
03:26:24.000 Damn. 0.99
03:26:25.000 He stopped him and then he stopped him in the rematch. 0.99
03:26:27.000 And then the rematch, the rubber match, the third match, the third match, I guess it kind of is because the first one was a draw, but the third match, Deontay catches him hard and hits him with that bomb of a right hand and you see like literally all the ripples of his fat go down.
03:26:44.000 It was crazy, the impact of it.
03:26:46.000 And then he dropped him again after that.
03:26:48.000 But that right hand was a missile. 0.99
03:26:51.000 Yeah, that lengthy fucking power. 0.99
03:26:55.000 Oh, dude. 1.00
03:26:55.000 Tyson Fury is a motherfucker, dude. 1.00
03:26:57.000 And so is Deontay. 1.00
03:26:58.000 Like, any other world, Deontay is the unified champion, probably.
03:27:03.000 Like, if Tyson Fury doesn't exist.
03:27:05.000 Because he's got that power.
03:27:08.000 Everybody goes out except for Tyson Fury.
03:27:11.000 Yeah, I feel like if Francis and Tyson fought, I feel like Tyson might...
03:27:14.000 I mean, Francis is always going to have a chance, no matter what.
03:27:17.000 He could fight anybody in the world to have a chance.
03:27:19.000 But if it came to a boxing match, Tyson is so good.
03:27:23.000 It's not an even matchup.
03:27:26.000 And the gloves make it probably harder for him to win with one shot. 1.00
03:27:31.000 He certainly is dangerous as fuck. 0.99
03:27:33.000 Are you talking about this video? 1.00
03:27:34.000 No, no, no.
03:27:35.000 This one's great, though.
03:27:37.000 Oh, is that a filter?
03:27:38.000 This is for Usyk.
03:27:39.000 Listen to what he says here.
03:27:40.000 Say you want the WBC, and it's held by gypsies. 1.00
03:27:43.000 It is held by gypsies. 1.00
03:27:45.000 It's held by the Gypsy King. 1.00
03:27:46.000 And it's held tightly.
03:27:48.000 Grasp tight.
03:27:49.000 And all roads leads to a seven-foot behemoth that will absolutely destroy you, middleweight. 1.00
03:27:56.000 Middleweight. 0.60
03:27:56.000 You will get smashed to bits. 0.60
03:27:59.000 You say you wanted to fight me after you beat the bodybuilder. 1.00
03:28:02.000 Called me out on television. 1.00
03:28:04.000 And now you're being a little bitch pussy boy. 1.00
03:28:06.000 Running. 1.00
03:28:07.000 Hiding.
03:28:08.000 Saying you've got injuries.
03:28:09.000 You ain't got no injuries.
03:28:10.000 You had a sparring contest.
03:28:12.000 Get out and fight in December.
03:28:14.000 You let your mouth go.
03:28:15.000 Now let's back it up.
03:28:16.000 See if you can back it up, middleweight.
03:28:17.000 Doesn't matter if it's December or April or August next year.
03:28:22.000 The outcome will be the same. 0.99
03:28:24.000 I will obliterate you. 1.00
03:28:25.000 I'm a 7'20 stone bear man and I will destroy you middleweight. 1.00
03:28:30.000 Find your balls. 1.00
03:28:31.000 Come see me. 1.00
03:28:32.000 That looks like a face filter Find your balls, come see me, bitch. 1.00
03:28:37.000 What's he saying again? 1.00
03:28:38.000 A bear moth?
03:28:38.000 Did we figure out what he said?
03:28:40.000 He calls himself a seven-foot bear moth?
03:28:43.000 Is that what that is?
03:28:44.000 20 stone or something?
03:28:46.000 Is he saying maybe?
03:28:47.000 Bearmoth?
03:28:48.000 Behemoth?
03:28:49.000 He says it. 1.00
03:28:49.000 He's fucked up. 1.00
03:28:50.000 That's the way the closed caption had it. 1.00
03:28:51.000 Yeah, it was behemoth.
03:28:53.000 Let me hear him say it again.
03:28:54.000 Bearmoth?
03:28:55.000 He didn't say it.
03:28:55.000 Let me hear him say it again.
03:28:56.000 Behemoth. 1.00
03:28:56.000 And I will obliterate you. 1.00
03:28:59.000 I'm a 7'20 stone behemoth. 1.00
03:29:02.000 Okay, behemoth.
03:29:03.000 Oh, yeah, it was that.
03:29:04.000 Behemoth.
03:29:04.000 It didn't sound like bear moth.
03:29:05.000 Yeah, I was like, maybe that's like a thing they say.
03:29:07.000 He's a bear moth.
03:29:08.000 Like, you know, a bear man.
03:29:10.000 Scary.
03:29:11.000 Yeah.
03:29:11.000 I mean, he's a seven-foot bear.
03:29:13.000 Pretty much. 1.00
03:29:14.000 Fuck. 1.00
03:29:14.000 Well, who can move? 1.00
03:29:16.000 Quick.
03:29:16.000 Fast.
03:29:17.000 Real quick.
03:29:17.000 And he's skillful.
03:29:19.000 Yeah, he's sick to watch.
03:29:20.000 I wonder how hard he's training out, like, just, like, on the weekly.
03:29:23.000 I don't know.
03:29:24.000 I mean, I gotta assume that he would think that a real fight is, like, very close to being signed.
03:29:30.000 He's gotta be in some kind of shape.
03:29:31.000 He's not gonna let himself get fat.
03:29:33.000 Yeah, he's very disciplined.
03:29:34.000 Well, he has to be now because it's like this is the last fight or two fights he's ever gonna have probably.
03:29:39.000 He was ready to retire after the Dillian White fight and decided to keep going.
03:29:44.000 But I think he's just gonna keep going because he thinks he'll beat all those guys too.
03:29:47.000 Yeah, retirement's a scary thing.
03:29:49.000 It's a tricky one.
03:29:50.000 I mean, look at Frankie. 1.00
03:29:51.000 It's like, fuck. 1.00
03:29:52.000 Do you think you know exactly when you want to get out? 1.00
03:29:55.000 I feel like I have a good team around me, but I also know how competitive I am and how...
03:30:00.000 I think...
03:30:02.000 I'm not a coach.
03:30:03.000 I feel like I can't coach.
03:30:05.000 I do think it'll be fun to stick around and if Tim and I, once I retire, maybe co-coach and build up someone, a student, if we can get some great athlete or...
03:30:16.000 Maybe coaching might help kind of eat with that, but I don't know. 0.97
03:30:22.000 It's kind of scary to think about retirement, just because I fucking... 0.88
03:30:26.000 I like being in camp, and I like knowing there's a fight around the corner. 0.99
03:30:30.000 For me to even think about maybe not fighting until June, July, I'm like, fuck, it's a long time. 0.97
03:30:34.000 But I'm hoping. 0.79
03:30:36.000 I definitely have the right people around me, but it's not even up to them, really.
03:30:40.000 I mean, I'm sure Frankie has good people.
03:30:42.000 It's just that competitiveness that...
03:30:45.000 I don't know. 1.00
03:30:46.000 Or you maybe, like Conor, you just make so much fucking money and you just go do little shit. 1.00
03:30:51.000 But it seems like clearly he's still got a competitive drive. 1.00
03:30:54.000 He's still working out really hard.
03:30:55.000 There's a bunch of videos of him, wrestling.
03:30:57.000 There's videos of him. 0.99
03:30:58.000 He's kicking the bag with his fucked up leg, which is crazy. 0.98
03:31:02.000 Like, you know, and I think with a lot of those guys that get those pins, they have to make the decision whether to leave it in or to take it out. 0.99
03:31:09.000 So I have surgery again to take it out?
03:31:11.000 Yes. 1.00
03:31:11.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00
03:31:12.000 Yes. 1.00
03:31:14.000 Yeah, I wonder if you're allowed to keep it in.
03:31:17.000 I don't know.
03:31:18.000 I don't know what kind of hardware they put in his shin.
03:31:21.000 But I do know that some guys have had to have a second operation and take plates out.
03:31:26.000 Like, Tim Sylvia, I believe, had to.
03:31:28.000 Because, you know, his arm broke with Frank Mir.
03:31:30.000 That's gross.
03:31:31.000 And then, you know, there's Anderson. 0.94
03:31:33.000 He had his legs screwed back together.
03:31:35.000 Chris Weidman hasn't fought since he broke his leg against Uriah Hall.
03:31:39.000 Oh, he hasn't?
03:31:40.000 I don't believe so.
03:31:41.000 I don't believe Chris has fought.
03:31:43.000 I don't think Silva took his out.
03:31:44.000 Silva didn't?
03:31:45.000 He did not?
03:31:45.000 I'm reading an article about it right now that says the doctor said it wouldn't have been a benefit either.
03:31:49.000 Dude, another surgery would've...
03:31:51.000 Well, it's not matter whether or not it's a benefit, it's also whether or not it's fair.
03:31:54.000 Like, if a guy has a titanium plate over his shin...
03:31:58.000 Dude!
03:31:59.000 It's like, so, it's gonna be different in each case.
03:32:02.000 So in some cases, the leg's gonna be really compromised to the point where the guy never feels confident about kicking with it again.
03:32:08.000 And Tyrone Spong, again, we said he fought that MMA fight with Karatana, but I don't think he had other kickboxing fights after he broke his leg with Gokhan Saki.
03:32:16.000 So it's like, can you throw a kick with that leg?
03:32:18.000 And if you can't throw a kick with that leg, is it okay then that you have the plate still? 0.97
03:32:23.000 Because, like, the leg's already fucked up anyway? 0.92
03:32:27.000 Like, is it balanced out? 0.77
03:32:28.000 Or did you get that plate put in and you had full recovery?
03:32:32.000 And now you're smashing things with a shin that also has a plate in it. 0.99
03:32:37.000 Fuck, I'd feel a lot more confident if I knew I had metal shins. 1.00
03:32:40.000 Which, you know, because you also have screws. 1.00
03:32:42.000 So there's these fucking screws in your shin. 0.99
03:32:44.000 Do those compromise your shin? 0.99
03:32:46.000 Yeah, that's a good point.
03:32:46.000 I was just picturing...
03:32:47.000 I remember when I had my Liz Frank surgery on my foot, you know, there was an option.
03:32:51.000 The two surgeries was the one where they put the screws in or whatever, and then they have to redo the surgery and take them out or do whatever I did. 0.63
03:33:00.000 I did what I did, so I don't have any metal in my foot, but...
03:33:03.000 Yeah, I don't know.
03:33:04.000 How long did that take you to recover from?
03:33:06.000 Dude, the Liz Frank surgery took legitimately two years to stop hurting.
03:33:11.000 Wow.
03:33:11.000 But I was probably training on it too soon.
03:33:15.000 I probably wasn't doing exactly everything.
03:33:17.000 This was 2018, so I was kind of learning about eating healthy, and I was still learning a lot of stuff, so I might not have taken care of it the best way. 0.95
03:33:25.000 But legit, two fucking years, that foot hurt so bad. 0.96
03:33:30.000 Yeah. 0.98
03:33:30.000 I would train and it would just ache. 0.98
03:33:32.000 I would have to ice it every day.
03:33:34.000 It was miserable. 1.00
03:33:36.000 The fucking... 1.00
03:33:36.000 Yeah, the Liz Frank surgery was miserable. 1.00
03:33:39.000 What is specifically the injury that causes that surgery?
03:33:42.000 So that happened in my fight when I was laying on my back talking to you.
03:33:46.000 So I threw the head kick. 0.97
03:33:47.000 And then right when I threw the head kick, I planted and threw a right hand and my foot snapped when I landed.
03:33:53.000 So it's the bones in the middle of the foot. 0.96
03:33:55.000 Yeah, and the tendons and shit. 0.99
03:33:58.000 Oh God, it was so fucking... 1.00
03:34:01.000 Jesus. 1.00
03:34:02.000 Yeah, that was fucked. 1.00
03:34:05.000 I remember I went to the Vegas doctor after the fight and they said, no, you're fine. 0.99
03:34:12.000 They told Dana, oh, his foot's fine.
03:34:15.000 Dana said at the post-fight conference, my foot was fine.
03:34:18.000 I got carried out in a stretcher and everyone was making fun of me. 0.99
03:34:22.000 But yeah, my fucking foot snapped in half. 0.99
03:34:24.000 And then I went to another doctor in Arizona. 0.99
03:34:26.000 They did x-rays and shit, and they're like, oh, it's fine. 0.98
03:34:28.000 So it was like the third doctor I went to. 0.98
03:34:30.000 They're like, oh, your foot's torn in half. 0.99
03:34:32.000 How the fuck are these doctors not fucking finding this? 1.00
03:34:37.000 It's like you're a fucking... 1.00
03:34:38.000 Yeah. 1.00
03:34:38.000 So it was two years before there was no pain. 1.00
03:34:41.000 How long before you had full movement?
03:34:43.000 Um...
03:34:46.000 I don't even remember. 0.94
03:34:47.000 I just remember fucking definitely... 0.71
03:34:49.000 I wasn't able to run for like two years. 0.94
03:34:52.000 Like grappling, just bouncing around hurt, but I could still do it.
03:34:55.000 But I was like just doing it through the pain.
03:34:58.000 I'd always have to rap it a certain way.
03:35:02.000 I don't even remember those.
03:35:04.000 And so what was it like fighting with that?
03:35:05.000 So now it feels fine.
03:35:09.000 I feel like I feel it if I'm really eating bad.
03:35:12.000 Did you have any fights where it came up after that?
03:35:16.000 No.
03:35:17.000 I haven't had any issues with it.
03:35:19.000 So from that injury, how long was it before you fought again?
03:35:23.000 Two years.
03:35:23.000 Two solid years.
03:35:24.000 2018 to 2020. Wow.
03:35:27.000 Yeah.
03:35:27.000 Well, I got...
03:35:28.000 Remember, I had gotten suspended from the Austrian.
03:35:30.000 Right.
03:35:31.000 Which worked out perfect in a way because I was dealing with this...
03:35:35.000 I was trying to...
03:35:36.000 I booked a fight.
03:35:37.000 Like a year or something later, I was supposed to fight Jose Quinones. 0.99
03:35:41.000 And like I was going into that fight super fucked up. 0.93
03:35:45.000 My foot was in so much pain. 0.95
03:35:47.000 And I was going into that fight, and I was a couple weeks out before I got suspended. 0.98
03:35:53.000 So I couldn't fight because of the suspension, but it was so perfect timing because my foot was so fucked up.
03:36:00.000 So it was very beneficial that I couldn't fight, but then yeah, two years later... 0.90
03:36:06.000 But yeah, I was grappling a lot in those two years, even with my foot fucked up.
03:36:10.000 Did you just not plant on it? 0.95
03:36:13.000 It was just painful.
03:36:14.000 It wasn't...
03:36:16.000 I don't know if it was just super inflamed all the time, or if I just didn't...
03:36:22.000 You know what?
03:36:22.000 I think it was a lot of scar tissue.
03:36:23.000 I didn't get it massaged out enough.
03:36:25.000 I didn't get enough manual physical therapy. 0.98
03:36:28.000 So, I probably just didn't take care of it enough, but I know Liz Frank injuries, I was looking it up and stuff, and they're very serious fucking injuries. 0.92
03:36:36.000 Like, people can be career enders. 0.91
03:36:38.000 I think it happens with, you know, football players and shit, but it can be a serious injury, but I've been super fortunate lately. 0.88
03:36:45.000 I've been feeling good. 0.98
03:36:47.000 Well, it seems like you're back 100%.
03:36:48.000 Like, your movement's...
03:36:49.000 Excellent.
03:36:50.000 I had a labrum, torn labrum in my right hip shortly after that Liz Frank surgery.
03:36:55.000 So I had two surgeries within a couple months.
03:36:59.000 Because my debut and then that second fight, I had a torn labrum. 0.98
03:37:03.000 Man, I couldn't fucking... 0.98
03:37:04.000 It hurt so bad. 0.98
03:37:05.000 Have you ever had a torn labrum in your hip at all?
03:37:06.000 No. 0.99
03:37:07.000 Just annoying as fucking... 0.99
03:37:08.000 A lot of people have torn labrums, but just small tears. 0.99
03:37:13.000 And then eventually it gets to a point to where it's an issue.
03:37:16.000 And that's where mine was. 0.97
03:37:17.000 So I fought Tarion Ware with the torn labrum, and I remember walking around Fight Week in Vegas, and I was just fucking... 0.95
03:37:23.000 It was the most uncomfortable...
03:37:24.000 Like, I had to, like, hobble back to my hotel room and stretch, and just, like...
03:37:29.000 It was super painful, but I was able...
03:37:31.000 Right after Liz Frank's surgery, shortly after I got the hip surgery, which was not bad at all.
03:37:36.000 Like, that's a lot less of a surgery, so... 0.79
03:37:39.000 But yeah, now I feel fucking great. 0.80
03:37:41.000 I would like to get my nose fixed eventually. 0.64
03:37:46.000 Justin Gage just did his.
03:37:47.000 Yeah, I heard that your nose is weaker after you get surgery.
03:37:53.000 I don't know.
03:37:54.000 I think the benefits of being able to breathe out of your nose far surpass the weakness.
03:38:00.000 Yeah, I would agree.
03:38:01.000 It'll help your cardio.
03:38:03.000 I got mine done a while back, like 15 years ago. 0.98
03:38:06.000 It's the fucking greatest decision I've ever made. 0.98
03:38:08.000 I sleep with mouth tape every night. 0.99
03:38:10.000 It's probably hard to get air through that nose, right? 0.99
03:38:13.000 Yeah, one time I'm a little congested right now, but even last night at the hotel, I bring my mouth tape, I sleep with it, and I have to fucking... 0.95
03:38:21.000 I've been sleeping with mouth tape for years now, and I just have to, but I have to make sure. 0.93
03:38:24.000 I have to hit some nose spray sometimes.
03:38:27.000 Maybe it's a good time to do it now. 1.00
03:38:30.000 Fuck that. 1.00
03:38:31.000 Dude, I'm so ready to get back to the gym. 1.00
03:38:34.000 I'm ready to grind and grapple.
03:38:36.000 What are you hoping for?
03:38:37.000 If they offer you a title shot, when are you hoping for?
03:38:40.000 July?
03:38:41.000 If I had to guess, yeah, it would be July.
03:38:44.000 I just want to go grind and be in the gym and just basically be in jiu-jitsu camp.
03:38:49.000 Which is going to benefit me in the long run anyway.
03:38:51.000 And that's what I've been doing.
03:38:52.000 It's grinding on the jiu-jitsu anyway.
03:38:53.000 But I want to take it up another level.
03:38:57.000 I'm in such a good mind space and a head space to just get back to the grind of grappling and wrestling and it's going to benefit me so much for the next four or five months.
03:39:07.000 What do we got?
03:39:07.000 December, January, February, May, June, July.
03:39:10.000 Because it seems like a good fight for that big card that they do.
03:39:13.000 International fight.
03:39:14.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:39:15.000 I'm so curious if Henry and Aljo are going to fight in March in Vegas.
03:39:20.000 I know that's probably what the UFC... If Henry's coming back, he deserves a title shot, whatever.
03:39:25.000 Let those guys fight.
03:39:26.000 Aljo's healthy.
03:39:27.000 He just beat up TJ. He took no injuries.
03:39:30.000 How much time does Henry need to get ready?
03:39:34.000 Supposedly, Henry's on Twitter saying, let's go, Aljo.
03:39:37.000 He was calling out in Perth for February.
03:39:40.000 I think Henry's ready to go.
03:39:42.000 Aljo, I don't know.
03:39:44.000 I don't know if he knows Henry's a tough fight and doesn't want that fight or what.
03:39:49.000 It's definitely a tough fight.
03:39:50.000 Oh, 100%.
03:39:51.000 Henry's a tough fight for anybody.
03:39:52.000 They fight in March.
03:39:53.000 I fight the winner in July is what I'd like.
03:39:57.000 But for me, my next fight is a title fight.
03:40:00.000 So whoever, it doesn't matter.
03:40:02.000 I'm fighting for the title fight.
03:40:03.000 Sugar Shane! 0.99
03:40:04.000 Yeah, Sugar Shane.
03:40:06.000 I've heard him do like on Instagram or interviews or get asked.
03:40:09.000 Sugar Shane, that's just me for Snoop.
03:40:11.000 But that's fine. 1.00
03:40:12.000 It's fucking Snoop. 0.99
03:40:12.000 It's hilarious. 0.99
03:40:13.000 It's close enough.
03:40:14.000 Yeah, it's hilarious.
03:40:15.000 Well, hey, brother, thank you very much for coming back in here, and congratulations on the win and all the progress and everything.
03:40:21.000 It's been fun to watch, man. 0.96
03:40:22.000 Fuck yeah, I appreciate it, Joe. 0.97
03:40:23.000 Thank you so much. 0.98
03:40:24.000 It really has been fun.
03:40:24.000 Thank you.
03:40:25.000 I can't wait for your next one.
03:40:26.000 It's going to be exciting.
03:40:27.000 Ten more years of the Sugar Show.
03:40:29.000 Ten more.
03:40:29.000 Yeah, 2020 to 2030. It's the Sugar era, and we're fucking, yeah, I'm excited.
03:40:34.000 Yeah, I appreciate it. 0.84
03:40:35.000 Thank you, Joe.
03:40:35.000 All right, tell everybody your social media.
03:40:37.000 Yeah, the Timbo Sugar Show podcast.
03:40:40.000 Me and Tim have been doing a podcast actually after we came on the first time. 0.65
03:40:43.000 You fucking inspired us, so thank you. 0.98
03:40:44.000 Timbo Sugar Show podcast on YouTube and all that good shit. 0.99
03:40:47.000 And then just my Instagram, SugarSean. 0.96
03:40:49.000 Then my merch, sugarshop.co.
03:40:51.000 Appreciate it.
03:40:52.000 Boom.