Comedian and comedian Joe Rogan joins Jemele to discuss his life and career. They talk about how he got started in comedy, what it's like to be a comedian, and how to stay on top of your game when you don't have any money or time to buy a car. They also talk about the benefits of drugs and how they can be used to improve your comedy, and why you shouldn't care if you're high or not if you can make money off of it. Joe also talks about his thoughts on drugs and what it means to be creative when you're not on drugs, and whether or not you should be doing drugs to be able to make money from your ideas. And they talk about where ideas come from, and if they might be floating around in other dimensions. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts! Thanks for listening and Good Luck Out There! -Jon Sorrentino Subscribe, Like, and Share and Retweet this episode! Subscribe to our new podcast, and tell a friend about what you're listening to and what you think of it on your social media about it! Thank you for listening, and we'll be checking it out! Timestamps: 1:00 - What's your thoughts on this episode? 4:30 - What does it mean to you? 6:15 - How do you feel about it? 7:00 8:00- What do you think it's a good idea? 9: What are you looking for? 11:20 - What would you like to hear from someone else's ideas? 13:00 | What's better? 14:40 - Is it possible to be more creative? 15:00 -- What's the best thing you're making you better than someone else? 16:30 -- What kind of idea you're going to make more of an idea for a better than that? 17:20 -- How do they have a better idea for me? 18: Is it better than you're having an idea or a better one? 19:40 -- What do they're thinking of you're you're gonna make it more interesting? 21:00 Is it a good thing? 22:30 | What are they coming out of it's better than a better place? 25:30
00:01:36.000I have notes on my phone, so if I'm out and I just have a crazy idea, I'll write it down on my phone, and then I'll go look at them the next day to see if I mined any gold.
00:02:36.000But if you think about every fucking thing on earth, everything, this microphone I'm talking to, the airplane that got you here, the sneakers that are on your feet, every fucking thing came out of an idea.
00:02:49.000An idea got into a person's mind and then that person made that idea and we're like people are so creative and we certainly are but where the fuck are these ideas coming from?
00:03:00.000These ideas that manifest themselves in the form of physical things like televisions and Automobiles and cell phones What is that?
00:03:12.000Do you think they could be floating around in different dimensions?
00:03:15.000Maybe if we were on some kind of drugs, we could see certain ideas floating around and you can grab that one, put it in your mind.
00:03:55.000Because those ideas turned us from these primates living in the jungle, like regular animals, to someone who lives in a fucking apartment building on the 32nd floor and has Wi-Fi.
00:06:03.000There's some method that I was reading about that is some tried-and-true method for learning language that allows you to be functional in a language in 30 days.
00:06:15.000See if you can find out what the fuck that is.
00:06:38.000Elena, she's two, my daughter, she's learning English and Spanish at the same time, so she'll say like, she'll have like, she's starting to say two or three word sentences, but some will be in English and Spanish, and it's just a trip to see how their little brains work.
00:06:52.000It's supposed to be really good for a child's development to be learning languages simultaneously.
00:06:57.000Yeah, Danny's mom's our full-time nanny, and she only speaks Spanish.
00:07:00.000And she's with her Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then sometimes on the weekends.
00:07:04.000So she's learning, like, she's like, Spanish could be her primary language at first.
00:08:55.000Yeah, Dani moved to America when she was nine, went to just a normal school and no one spoke English.
00:09:01.000She only spoke Spanish and she was like, just had submerged into it and just slowly had to learn.
00:09:07.000Like she went to English class, obviously, but it's hard when she said there was one girl in her class that spoke like broken, broken Spanish.
00:11:05.000I mean, there's something about teenage people that are just learning how to be mean and learning how to turn on and being scared of people doing it to them.
00:11:14.000And so they pile on each other like, whoo!
00:11:16.000And you're not learning anything in school that's like communication skills or like going inside yourself and feelings and like you're not learning any of that so it's just...
00:11:26.000Imagine learning how to talk while you're texting.
00:11:29.000Imagine learning how to communicate with people, and you're doing more texting than you are actually communicating.
00:11:34.000I think in seventh grade, I got my first flip phone.
00:12:37.000He was warming up and he just looked not scared.
00:12:40.000I don't know if they were nervous like had this anxious energy and He's done more than anyone, but it's just like and then I think if you want to fight well that never really goes away I think you have confidence and I think you control it and I think the best guys learn how to handle it but you know when you're looking at like Alex Pajeda looking at Stylebender in the face-off.
00:13:07.000There has to be some crazy heightened sense of tension and awareness and the moment and it's a crazy big fight.
00:13:16.000I don't think you get away with that without not having that.
00:13:42.000Like my debut when I fought Therion Ware, I remember in the backstage closing my eyes too long and I was thinking, if I lose this and then lose one more, I could get cut.
00:13:50.000Having that thought vividly And I was like, well, fuck that.
00:13:53.000Okay, well, like, counter that, obviously, with some positive shit, but going into that last fight, I had zero nerves.
00:17:23.000Because there's a thing, too, about guys who have too many fights with guys that are out of their weight class.
00:17:27.000Like, I think it takes even more off of you.
00:17:30.000I think if you're a small guy in the weight class and you have wars with the bigger guys in the weight class, I think it probably takes even more off of you.
00:19:47.000I mean, it's weird because when they weigh you on fight day, there's a scale, you have your shoes on and shit, you have a hoodie on, they don't really make you take your shit off and weigh yourself.
00:19:56.000Look at that, 219. He walks around, he weighs in at 184, and then he weighs in on the fight day at 219. That's crazy.
00:20:58.000No, no, Alex, yeah, Alex will, but I wonder if Izzy said, no, let's let someone else try to fight Alex.
00:21:03.000I wonder if Alex is sticking around for that, or if he's like, I'm gonna go up to 205, try to fight double champ, unless it's Glover, right?
00:21:10.000No, he would never fight Glover, but that's actually a good point.
00:21:14.000If Yuri Prohaska beats Glover in the rematch, and then he decides to avenge Glover and fight Yuri Prohaska, they got a great storyline.
00:21:25.000Because Uri, he obviously has grappling skills because he submitted Glover, but that was in sort of a wild exchange and he caught him in a choke while they're in this.
00:25:10.000When he was walking down Izzy, when they were like hand fighting and he was checking these kicks, I'm like, this is dangerous in every way.
00:30:14.000So I always try to take care of my partners, too.
00:30:16.000The last thing I want to do is fucking knock one of my partners out.
00:30:19.000And I've dropped my partners, and I feel so bad just because I know...
00:30:24.000How concussions can change people's careers, change their lives outside of fighting.
00:30:28.000So my main focus is not knocking my partner out, and I want them to be the same way while turning it up, because I do want to get a good, good fucking look for guys like Peter.
00:30:41.000I knew that motherfucker was going to come after me, so I wanted my partners to not be timid.
00:30:46.000Sometimes it's hard to find training partners that are going to come after me and not be scared a little bit.
00:30:51.000One of the things that I learned from watching fights, and this is important, is that when I watch fights at home, when I just watch them, I don't sometimes know who really won because I'm not totally paying attention.
00:31:08.000Maybe I get a text message from my friend.
00:31:15.000When you watch fights with a group of friends and you're all laughing and talking shit, you barely know what the fuck is going on.
00:31:20.000Which leads me to your last fight, because after that fight there was a bunch of people that were saying that was a bad decision, Piotr Jan should have got it.
00:31:29.000And I remember being in my green room, I just did a show in London, and we're eating steaks, and we're all talking, we're watching the fight, and we're like, did you think he won?
00:34:47.000Floyd went from being, like, a really exciting pressure fighter and had a bunch of hand problems to, like, Money Mayweather, started talking shit, just boxing people's faces off.
00:34:58.000No more hand problems, much more money.
00:35:01.000Yeah, I love what he's doing, too, beating up these YouTube guys.
00:36:14.000I submit, and I have before, that if that guy wasn't Jake Paul from YouTube, and he was just an up-and-coming, undefeated boxer who's been knocking out MMA fighters, you would go, wow, this kid is fucking awesome.
00:36:27.000You would say, look at this up-and-coming boxer who's tricked these MMA guys into boxing with him, and he's knocking them all out.
00:36:34.000Knocked out Ben Askren, knocked out Tyron Woodley with one punch.
00:37:37.000So yeah, I'm excited to see what's next for him.
00:37:41.000Yeah, it's interesting because he's kind of sort of taken over the sport of boxing in a way.
00:37:48.000Like, he gets as much attention and as much press as any of these world—like, Ryan Davis just signed on to fight Javante—Javante Davis just signed on to fight Ryan Garcia.
00:38:20.000Is it different organizations having owned those different fighters and shit?
00:38:23.000I guess it's probably a factor, different promoters, it's probably a factor, but it's also like, I think fighters probably want the best deal for themselves, and they're holding out negotiations, and who fucking knows?
00:38:35.000But it's just like, that was one where I was like, damn.
00:39:15.000He's 35. Terrence Crawford is getting up there.
00:39:21.000I wanted to ask you what you think about the power slapping too.
00:39:25.000When I was thinking about it, I was like, I'm going to probably come on here and if it gets brought up, talk just absolute shit about it because I don't fucking...
00:40:18.000I like this fucking Russian assassin storming the gates at you and you figuring a way to move around him and kick his legs and jab at him and That's what I like.
00:41:43.000But goddamn, as far as matchups go, Gutierrez is one of those guys that everybody who watches fights knows he's fucking dangerous, like a top level.
00:46:55.000He always had issues making 170 though, right?
00:46:57.000Oh yeah, well he missed it a bunch of times and then he fought Vitor at 85. Rumble was like this guy that you never knew what you were gonna get.
00:47:07.000If he was like Ready to go and in shape and prepared.
00:53:53.000Maybe not a big gym, but just a gym with some decent coaches.
00:53:58.000For the most part, you've got to look for something better.
00:54:01.000Do you think that there's any benefit to having a smaller environment where the coaches are really paying attention to you versus a large environment where you're at like an ATT or something like that?
00:55:08.000And now you've really got it totally dialed in.
00:55:10.000Yeah, it's crazy to think about all the things that just worked out, like how I met Tim, then I moved to Arizona, then I meet Brandon Harris for the strength and conditioning, and that completely changed my career.
00:55:21.000I wasn't lifting, and if I was lifting, I wasn't lifting properly.
00:55:24.000And it's not even lifting to just get super strong, but just to not get injured.
00:55:28.000Just building that muscle around those joints and just I haven't gotten seriously injured since I started working with Brandon, and I think that's a huge reason why, just from lifting correctly.
00:55:40.000What kind of exercises does he have you doing?
00:56:09.000He does what I'm not getting in the gym.
00:56:14.000So we'll do some stuff with lower heart rate stuff.
00:56:18.000And I know you had someone on here talking about how important that is just for longevity, but just for getting in shape to having the zone two workouts for 45 minutes and stuff like that.
00:59:09.000It should be, but it's not because it's Henry, and for whatever reason, some people are fucking likable, some people are superstars, and he's just not.
00:59:19.000I mean, I'm not acting like I'm talking shit, he's just really not a superstar.
01:01:49.000I saw someone say Alex Pajero is the number one combat sports athlete, but it's hard to put him above Henry when he's won the Olympic gold.
01:01:55.000Yeah, he won the gold medal in the Olympics.
01:01:57.000However, Pajero, when he's fighting in glory, he's fighting elite professionals.
01:04:13.000And the college said, if you want to retain your job as a coach, you cannot fight in a fucking cage with bare-knuckle head-butting people on the weekend.
01:07:17.000I don't remember who I was having this conversation with, but I was thinking if fighters got paid way more like they want, I don't know how many fighters will stick around.
01:07:26.000It's such a fucked sport to go through those camps and stuff.
01:07:29.000I'm like, if these young fighters are making $100,000, $200,000 and they're not used to making money, I don't know how serious they would take it.
01:09:19.000I love knocking people out, but I would love to if I have an opportunity to choke someone, I would love to.
01:09:25.000Well, having a well-rounded game where you're a significant threat both on your back and on the top and not just standing up is so important.
01:09:36.000There's so much going on in that division, man.
01:09:39.000Remember when Marlon Marais was the fucking scariest guy alive?
01:09:42.000He knocked out- I remember when he knocked out Alja, I was there for that.
01:09:45.000I thought- That and then when Tony Ferguson got frontkicked by Michael Chan, I watched, I was like- I just witnessed him, the first murder in the UFC. They laid there for so long.
01:09:55.000Morais had this switch kick off the left leg that was a thing of fucking beauty.
01:10:02.000It's one of the best switch kicks I've ever seen.
01:10:05.000Right up there with Barboza, but Barboza would switch kick to the body and you'd be like, Jesus Christ!
01:10:12.000When Barboza was in his prime, earliest, like before all the wars, bro, his switch kick was insane.
01:11:00.000He's a competitor at the highest level.
01:11:02.000Yeah, and it's really strange to watch how a couple of fights can change the trajectory of a fighter's career and limit how durable they are and what happens when things go sideways with them.
01:11:15.000Yeah, that mentally probably fucked Murray.
01:11:17.000He was dominating and then just completely gassed out.
01:11:20.000Yeah, in the biggest fight of his life.
01:13:44.000The both those fight week when I was on the treadmill just kind of walking or whatever I was doing for that last fight I was watching those just fucking I always try to find some fights that I like but uh Yeah, that was so so impressive when he beat Hendon like that that first time Fuck!
01:13:57.000People that talk shit about TJ Dillashaw, that's like that Roy Jones Jr. song Y'all must have forgot Just go back and watch him peace up Hendon Burrell to win the title and do it like he's sparring Yeah Just do it so calm like he's fucking sparring He was a bad motherfucker.
01:14:13.000And even then, even then, his shoulders were fucked.
01:15:02.000The fact that he took that fight and popped his fucking shoulder back into place in the middle of the Aljamain fight and even got through that first fucking round.
01:15:27.000So he had the surgery to repair a torn labrum, biceps, and additional work on his biceps tendon in 2019. So yeah, man, his shoulders are fucked, man.
01:16:04.000He had to do it after that yawn fight.
01:16:06.000He said it was fucked up before that, but when yawn hit him, I mean, you gotta think if you do have a herniated disc and then you get an illegal knee that you don't expect on the ground and you're not preparing for it and you get really jolted, It's so crazy, like, if Jan didn't do that, Jan wouldn't have ended up having to fight me, and, like, he's just had such, like, that sucked.
01:19:54.000You know, you bring corner men and it's like, maybe you don't have three people you're super close with or you want to hang out with all fucking week while you're cutting weight.
01:23:05.000I don't feel like I lost any stock or anything and I feel like everything went as it needed to go, but I just I'll never accept that as a loss as far as mentally thinking, you know, I didn't get beat that night.
01:23:19.000So because it's such a button, that nerve is such a button, it almost in your mind is like a lucky punch.
01:27:16.000That was crazy, though, because Frankie was winning that...
01:27:19.000He won first round, won the second round, he took him down, and he would have won that fight and landed that front kick with, like, what, two minutes left or something?
01:28:00.000When you look at like MMA now, now that you're a part of it, and now that you're an elite fighter, and you remember what it was like when you were a kid, when you first saw it, what was your first exposure to MMA? I was probably a young teenager.
01:28:18.000My dad was watching, and I thought it was disgusting.
01:28:20.000Like, what year do you think this was?
01:29:07.000I remember telling my mom, like, Dad's watching that again, because I wanted to watch something on the TV, and he was watching fighting, and I knew my mom thought it was gross, too.
01:29:14.000So she would yell, like, you gotta change that, or some shit.
01:29:16.000So I told all my dad for watching, literally watching what I do now, which is funny.
01:29:57.000Gordon Ryan, dude, the fact that Gordon Ryan would go and compete and make it look so easy with those stomach issues he was talking about is fucking mind-blowing.
01:36:14.000But he's not the biggest guy even at 45. And when you're going up to face a big guy at 55, but also, Has Islam seen anybody that can move as fast as Volkanovski?
01:40:19.000Do you think there's anything to the idea that getting knocked down and giving someone an eight count or a ten count to get up and then letting the fight go on That can't be good.
01:40:45.000I think a lot of the damage is in sparring.
01:40:50.000Then you go in there, get dropped, get back up, get an eight count, get dropped again.
01:40:54.000So I think it's probably a mixture between how hard those motherfuckers spar, and then, yeah, the accumulation of getting hit in the head and getting dropped, and then the ref's like, here, we'll let you feel decent enough to be able to continue.
01:42:22.000New guys come to the gym, now you're in the cage.
01:42:24.000Because you have in the cage sparring, the hard sparring, and then you have the outside sparring where everyone's kind of going a little bit lighter.
01:42:29.000But in the cage sparring, if you don't know someone and they come in, it's a fight.
01:43:17.000That guy's a character and a half, but that video is so hilarious because this guy was talking shit to him, and so he started sparring him, and he started talking shit.
01:46:05.000Some people go in there and you're sparring and you're fucking thinking about something else or something hurts and you're thinking about it.
01:46:10.000But yeah, I was watching a bunch of Paheta highlights before sparring, getting into that mindset.
01:46:32.000For like a specific fighter, or what do you mean?
01:46:35.000Just like when you know you're making the walk.
01:46:36.000Do you have like a specific headset, headspace you put yourself in?
01:46:41.000For me, I always get to the gym early.
01:46:43.000I always do like, especially for sparring, because you get in the back and you're sitting there, you can sit there for an hour, two hours.
01:46:49.000So I go to the gym early, kind of just sit around, stretch, warm up, I'll have some headphones on, play.
01:46:55.000Leading up to the fight, I'm very, very calm.
01:46:59.000I'll be listening to some Jack Johnson, something just like, something relaxing, something that makes me feel relaxed until it's time to, okay, let's start warming up for real.
01:47:07.000We've got 30 minutes of the fight, then I'll throw in some other music, get my head space then and start warming up.
01:48:10.000So before every session, especially sparring, is breath work, whether it's long, just inhales and holds, exhales, holds, just kind of playing with the breath like it's a game.
01:48:24.000rather than just thinking and not concentrating on the breath.
01:51:15.000But if you could get yourself to fucking insane levels of physical fitness at an elite level, he felt like that's the correct compromise.
01:51:25.000But yeah, I think for me, like when I do most of my cardio, it's doing the actual sport.
01:51:30.000You know, whether it's sparring or hitting mitts and then having someone grapple and it's just fucking, then you have to hit mitts again, then someone's on your back.
01:51:37.000Or just wrestling, like just doing the actual sport for cardio, you can't beat that.
01:51:43.000Well, that's George St. Pierre's approach.
01:51:45.000George St. Pierre told me that after a while he realized that efficiency was the most important.
01:51:49.000And so that getting really good at the movements, you had less energy you were exerting, you were more efficient.
01:51:57.000Gordon obviously is in amazing shape, but he's also very efficient.
01:52:01.000And that efficiency comes from just insane levels of repetitions and drills.
01:52:06.000So there's like a saying, like George's position is kind of the opposite of Nick Curzon's, but they both, I think they both have, there's a positive to both approaches.
01:52:16.000Because if you're not, if you already have efficiency, like so you get to a level like where you're at right now, if you took six weeks and just had a wild strength and conditioning camp, you're not going to lose any efficiency.
01:52:30.000So if you just got ramped up into the most fucking psychotic state of physical fitness possible, How much would you lose of what you already have?
01:55:34.000I think watching in person would be a lot more entertaining than watching on a computer because then you're watching and you're like, well, I could go fuck around for 20 minutes.
01:58:08.000Dude, yeah, my life didn't change at all, like, those whole two years.
01:58:11.000I bought a cage, put it in a warehouse, like, we trained like nothing was going on, fought in the UFC three times, like, it was just, Thane is such a legend for doing that.
02:01:56.000You know, and if you're with a guy and, you know, you get on top of a guy and all of a sudden you're in a terrible position, like there's certain guys, if you are on your back and, you know, you're trying, like Fabrizio Verdum, if you were in that guy's guard, you're in deep shit.
02:07:33.000If you want to fire people up to the fact that you have a totally cruel and evil organization that's running your country that's willing to take some innocent woman and use her as a pawn politically and put her in a penal colony...
02:07:47.000And if that's just the laws over there, that's our laws.
02:09:53.000And in these situations, these complex situations like drugs, if you do make drugs legal, for sure people are gonna die.
02:09:59.000But for sure, people are going to get hooked on them that wouldn't have tried them before because now they have easy access.
02:10:05.000And I think it'll take a while until it gets to the kind of same baseline of people who abuse or don't abuse things.
02:10:13.000And maybe because the stigma and the mystery of it all, because it's illegal, will go away if you know what it is and that it's damaging.
02:10:23.000And maybe they could stop more people from having overdoses and with either counseling or medication like Narcon, that stuff that they give people when they do have an overdose, if they have that more readily available.
02:10:39.000If they have detox clinics, they take some of the money from legal sales and they create these detox clinics and these clinics along with like counseling, help people that have drug addictions.
02:10:51.000But it's like, who gets to decide what you can and cannot do with your body?
02:10:57.000If you want to give that up to the state, well, they're not good at managing anything.
02:11:01.000Why would they be good at managing your consciousness, managing your choices, what you can and can't do with your body?
02:11:38.000But there's gonna be some chaotic moments.
02:11:40.000That's like what I said, like some people are gonna die.
02:11:42.000But I think like overwhelmingly in the long run, less people will die.
02:11:46.000Because if you know what you're getting, if you want, if you're trying to get ecstasy and someone gives you fentanyl and you die, that is fucked up.
02:12:06.000I don't think the thing is to, like, make it illegal and keep it so that only drug dealers are selling you this stuff through illegal methods where they can be locked up in jail forever so only the craziest motherfuckers are doing it.
02:12:46.000But if you had legal coke, you wouldn't have to worry about that at all.
02:12:51.000If it was just like buying a six-pack, you go to a store, show your license, they give you coke.
02:12:56.000I wonder If more or less people would do it.
02:12:59.000I wonder if people would recognize the problems with it, just like some people quit drinking, just like some people decide to be healthier.
02:13:18.000In other countries like where alcohol is, you could drink alcohol when you're young, if you go to Italy, you don't see a bunch of like young teenage drunks.
02:15:23.000100% mushrooms should be legal and they should be given to soldiers and anybody with PTSD and people that are dying from cancer and helps them to like at the end of life therapy.
02:15:34.000It's like one of the most beneficial things for people.
02:16:51.000If they sold it and made it expensive and taxed it highly and then made it so there's fucking crisis hotlines on everything, but at least you would know if you're getting heroin that you're actually getting heroin.
02:17:03.000You would know that if you're getting marijuana, you're actually getting marijuana.
02:17:51.000Last time we were clowns and what was hilarious, we were dressed as clowns and Fox News was playing a clip of me and Duncan while we were dressed like clowns.
02:18:01.000They have to say, well, they were dressed up for Halloween.
02:19:19.000You still overeat when you go out to eat much?
02:19:21.000I know you've talked about it, and I fucking resonated with that so much.
02:19:24.000Like, if I get high before I go out to eat, and I'm getting a good cheeseburger, I might as well order two, because I'm going to eat that one, and I'm going to be hungry still.
02:19:31.000I'm not even going to fucking touch my...
02:20:55.000Michael Easter was actually just talking about that.
02:20:57.000He's a guy who wrote this book, The Comfort Crisis, and he wrote this book about a study that they did where they took these guys and they purposely starved them.
02:21:13.000So in that study I talked about it a few weeks ago.
02:21:15.000They took 36 men, they put 'em in a lab for six months and they starved 'em.
02:21:19.000Like really starved 'em, 'cause they wanted to know what happens to the human body when we significantly decrease our calories and lose a lot of weight.
02:21:49.000He had to go to the hospital for eating so much in a meal.
02:21:52.000And all of them were eating significantly higher calories than when they started.
02:21:56.000Second is that they obsessed about food.
02:21:58.000It was on their mind all the time, just as it had been when they were starving.
02:22:02.000And there's a handful of other really fascinating things that happened that basically ended up bringing these guys above the weight that they started at.
02:22:10.000So after this crazy diet, they actually ended up heavier.
02:22:14.000This can tell us a lot about diets today, how we should approach them, how we should think about eating normally once we've lost weight.
02:22:21.000There's a link in the bio if you want to learn more.
02:25:27.000So I've been really a lot more disciplined.
02:25:31.000I think it's been a month now since the fight, but not eating as much cheese or eating as much bread if I go out to eat.
02:25:37.000Just because I know that fucking causes inflammation in my body and I know it's going to take a little bit longer to...
02:25:42.000Get back to training or if I am training and I eat too much cheese and bread, it's going to cause that inflammation, risk an injury, or just be fucking more sore than I need to be.
02:25:52.000But yeah, eating disorder from cutting weight is a real fucking problem.
02:25:59.000If I fought at my natural weight class, I'd fight at 155. If I didn't cut weight and walk around 58, 59, whatever, I'd fight at 155. There's no fucking chance that I'm going to say, you know what, I'm just going to do that.
02:27:35.000One's better than the other, but I do think my length, my body type, Izzy, Alex Pajada, Jon Jones, the long, Charles Oliveira, is the best for...
02:27:54.000You have so much of an advantage of like, if you're fighting a short guy and he's coming, like, Jan had, he had little puzzles to solve before he could land shots.
02:28:38.000And, you know, Tim, going into the second round, so right after the first round, going into the second round, he said, just trust that left hand, trust that left hand.
02:28:46.000Because I knew when he was southpaw and I was southpaw, it's similar, orthodox, orthodox, that right hand, obviously, but it's just switched.
02:28:53.000And so I just trusted in that left hand, double jab, threw it, landed it clean, hurt him, and then going into that third round, he's like, feint that right and throw that knee up the middle.
02:29:03.000So that's important having good corners that can see shit like that.
02:29:06.000Because those two things he told me really changed the fight.
02:29:10.000I didn't win the second round, but I dropped him.
02:30:06.000And he's very defensively responsible.
02:30:08.000The way he keeps his hands up high, he's always rock solid with his defense.
02:30:13.000Going into that, right at the end of the first round, going into the second round, staring at him on the bench, or on the little stool looking at him, I was like, this motherfucker wasn't expecting this.
02:30:22.000I felt him taking pretty big breaths going into the second round.
02:30:53.000Because I've never really been hit with a shot like that.
02:30:55.000I've been hitting sparring hard, but that was the cleanest left hand I've ever been hit with.
02:31:00.000And the only reason, the only thing I think of how I took that is I was in such good shape and just did everything fucking right for 12 weeks.
02:31:07.000And I was able to take that because of that, because that fucking couldn't have not land cleaner.
02:33:19.000Sweet rounds like Alex Caceres and what's Henry's boy's name?
02:33:24.000Pantoja before I was even in the UFC and he was.
02:33:28.000I have some sweet rounds from way back in the day.
02:33:32.000But I do think that's where I improved a lot was recording it and watching it and yeah, just fucking figuring out what the fuck I'm doing wrong and right.
02:33:41.000And also, what do you like about watching yourself that you could see what it looks like versus how you feel?
02:33:48.000And also, you see where maybe you would see openings on you.
02:34:11.000I tried to look at from, I try to watch it from, yeah, as many different perspectives as I can, but for the most part, like the Pedro Munoz fight, fuck.
02:34:50.000The dude's fought the killers of killers.
02:34:52.000I mean, he must have not been able to see, but if you watch it, it's like it wasn't that bad of a poke compared to two fights later when Izzy put half his finger in Jared Cannon's eye, and Jared's like, no, fuck, I'm good.
02:35:29.000How much of a difference do you think it makes with having, like, what percentage of, like, trying to get a hand under a neck with a glove?
02:35:58.000It sucks, too, when you're sparring, like, on a Saturday, and you got a good grappler, wrestler going, you have shin pads on, there's a fucking...
02:36:05.000They take you down, and they're like, just...
02:37:12.000But for sparring, for the most part...
02:37:15.000We didn't grapple much like we had guys trying to shoot every once in a while and stuff but uh Yeah, I was planning on that being a legit just kickboxing fight that fucker came out shooting But I wonder I'd be curious if his game plan was to shoot or if I started cracking him early And he was like alright, I'm gonna start fucking wrestling.
02:37:32.000That's how I'm gonna win this fight Well, there was quite a few moments where he was trying to engage with you and it was he was having a hard time getting past that length and yeah You're being really accurate, too.
02:38:12.000Especially when guys are kind of in MMA style, they're kind of facing towards you a little bit because they're thinking potentially of taking you down that wider target.
02:38:57.000Well, then you start, yeah, the front kick, then they have to respect it, go into the body, then you fucking go high with it, and you fucking head kick someone.
02:39:03.000He had one of the most disturbing losses ever to Sergei Karotanov in pride, where Sergei Karotanov got on top of him, and he pinned him down.
02:39:14.000Sammy was just a kickboxer, and Karotanov was like a Sambo guy.
02:44:18.000I think that was his last kickboxing fight, and then he did some boxing fights, and he was getting a pretty good name in boxing, but he had a big fight fall through, and then he fought Garitanov in MMA. I'm so curious who Connor is going to fight.
02:44:37.000I wonder if he looks at Michael Chandler because at one point Chandler throws bombs but he throws hooks.
02:50:09.000Because up until this moment, when Charles Oliveira finished Justin Gaethje and he just beat him up and dropped him on the feet and then submitted him on the ground, people were thinking, there's no one that can challenge Charles.
02:50:58.000I mean, it would be crazy, though, if he goes, if he beats Volkanovski, who's the 45-pound champ, he does not double champ, but beats the 45-pound champ, beat the 55-pound champ, and then goes up and beats the 70-pound champ.
02:55:28.000It's so crazy looking at my career, how things have played out so perfect.
02:55:32.000The fact Snoop Dogg was there, that was the first time that I started getting busy on social media and starting to understand, okay, this is going to be a part.
02:55:43.000Of my career, in my life, moving forward, and he would repost me, or post me, and then I started getting a bunch of followers from Snoop posting me.
02:56:42.000I still remember like vividly doing interviews.
02:56:45.000It was like the first time doing big interviews at the UFC PI, like being around UFC staff, being just around that, just saying like, oh, I'm going to be bigger than Conor.
02:56:54.000And like, I got so much shit for saying that.
02:57:21.000It's like fucking just such a young me.
02:57:24.000Well, it's just a fascinating thing that they can capture that moment in time and you can watch it and it puts your head back to who you were then when it happened.
02:57:31.000Yeah, I think specifically in that fight I was eating a vegan diet.
02:57:35.000I was, I think, like 140 pounds when I walked into the cage, weighed in at 136. Wow.
02:58:27.000That was the first time I fought on like a bigger card.
02:58:29.000It was LFA. You know what really impressed me about you when I found this out is that you didn't have a background in traditional martial arts.
02:59:14.000That's an advantage that you have too.
02:59:17.000But the kicking is like, it's really good.
02:59:21.000Like it seems like you were like a black belt in karate or something.
02:59:24.000Like when you watch you throw those kicks, if I didn't know, because you told me, I'd be like, oh yeah, he definitely was like a karate champion or something.
03:02:41.000This is the best motherfucker in the world.
03:02:44.000This is what I had been training for 10 plus years for, is to get this opportunity to go out there and compete with a guy this fucking good.
03:02:53.000So in that camp, there was a level of excitement going into sparring.
03:02:58.000It was different, but I feel like every fight moving forward is going to be like that.
03:03:04.000But that Cheeto one is going to be even just different, just because of the back story.
03:03:08.000Well, I think you and Tim and your camp were very smart in how you moved up.
03:03:15.000You came into the sport and came into the UFC young and talented, and you did it very wisely.
03:03:24.000And now that you got into a position where you could fight the best, like Piotr Jan, the fact that you were excited about it really says to me that management and a good coach that you trust that knows your abilities is really important.
03:03:44.000They give you a guy who's going to show you this look.
03:03:46.000That's why in boxing it's so common for a guy to get 10-0, 11-0 before he gets tested.
03:03:51.000I think there's something to that, man.
03:03:53.000I think we have this fucking do or die, fucking survival of the fittest, but you're professional athletes.
03:03:59.000And I think to maximize the potential of a professional athlete I think you have to match them up carefully.
03:04:07.000Because if you get in there with Alex Pajeda, you know, and you're a guy who likes to bang it out, but maybe you really don't have good wrestling, and oh, Jesus Christ.
03:04:18.000And you see that guy on the other, and you know they're building him up.
03:04:21.000And so you have this thing in your head, like, you're being fed to the wolf.
03:04:27.000If you have potential, like maybe if that didn't happen, and maybe you fought someone who was commensurate with you and beat them, and maybe learned a little bit more about footwork, maybe got a little bit better at takedowns, maybe got a little bit better at fighting off the cage, and then two years later, three years later, then you can get in there with an elite guy and you'll have confidence that you can compete with him.
03:04:44.000But you see sometimes when guys know they're being fed to the wolves, it's not a good look.
03:06:24.000On a flat surface with, you know, very clear out of bounds.
03:06:29.000So there's no bullshit with plenty of room.
03:06:31.000If we could do it for basketball and you could do it for football, tell me why you can't do it for MMA. Because the cage is a fucking weapon.
03:08:38.000I remember Waleed Ishmael fought this guy and the guy gave him this crazy wedgie and was grabbing his jockstrap and shoving it up his ass while he was fighting him.
03:11:37.000The thing is, though, if you can't take the guy down, and if there's no cage, if you can't take a guy down and there's no cage, and you're moving towards him, and every time he's whack, whack, he's chopping at those legs, whack, whack, you can't corner him anywhere, and he's moving, and he's backing away, and he's got plenty of room behind him, and plenty of room, like, space is not an option anymore.
03:11:59.000We're talking about a giant arena, and a big center area, and the fighters meet in the very center, and there's very clear, out-of-bounds lines.
03:16:35.000But imagine, even in the third, fourth, they were in the clinch, there were options for him to wrestle where Alex, who knows, if he has the certain skill set to defend even a lower level wrestler.
03:17:01.000That's what Izzy does in all of his fights.
03:17:03.000Izzy almost got him in the first round.
03:17:05.000Dude, that left hook landed like right at the bell maybe after, but if there was one or two seconds left and he threw a right hand to right left, boom, that right could have fucking just...
03:18:06.000He was on the back for a long time, and he was flowing back and forth from different positions, but holding the top position in a way that you're like, I mean, I'm sure Izzy's really good at grappling, but he's not known for it.
03:18:54.000Going into the fourth, but it was always that the feeling of danger was always there when Pajero was like March towards him and get him close to the cage like Jesus Christ So in the rematch, Izzy's going to be way more careful with that calf kick, right?
03:19:50.000He's going to know he can do it again.
03:19:51.000But what do you do if you're the UFC? Do you risk Pajeda against a Marvin Vittori or Pajeda against a Robert Whitaker?
03:19:58.000Because if Izzy doesn't fight him right away and one of those guys is really good at wrestling, I mean, Hamzat's moving up to 85 too, right?
03:21:00.000According to ESPN, Brett Okamoto, he has asked for Pereira in January at UFC 283 in Brazil and then said he would turn around two months later to fight Colby in March.
03:21:13.000See, they're not going to give Hamza a title shot at 185. Listen, if they did give Hamza a title shot in Brazil and he strangles Pejeta in front of the Brazilians, good luck getting out of there.
03:26:25.000He stopped him and then he stopped him in the rematch.
03:26:27.000And then the rematch, the rubber match, the third match, the third match, I guess it kind of is because the first one was a draw, but the third match, Deontay catches him hard and hits him with that bomb of a right hand and you see like literally all the ripples of his fat go down.
03:30:05.000I do think it'll be fun to stick around and if Tim and I, once I retire, maybe co-coach and build up someone, a student, if we can get some great athlete or...
03:30:16.000Maybe coaching might help kind of eat with that, but I don't know.
03:30:22.000It's kind of scary to think about retirement, just because I fucking...
03:30:26.000I like being in camp, and I like knowing there's a fight around the corner.
03:30:30.000For me to even think about maybe not fighting until June, July, I'm like, fuck, it's a long time.
03:30:58.000He's kicking the bag with his fucked up leg, which is crazy.
03:31:02.000Like, you know, and I think with a lot of those guys that get those pins, they have to make the decision whether to leave it in or to take it out.
03:31:09.000So I have surgery again to take it out?
03:31:59.000It's like, so, it's gonna be different in each case.
03:32:02.000So in some cases, the leg's gonna be really compromised to the point where the guy never feels confident about kicking with it again.
03:32:08.000And Tyrone Spong, again, we said he fought that MMA fight with Karatana, but I don't think he had other kickboxing fights after he broke his leg with Gokhan Saki.
03:32:16.000So it's like, can you throw a kick with that leg?
03:32:18.000And if you can't throw a kick with that leg, is it okay then that you have the plate still?
03:32:23.000Because, like, the leg's already fucked up anyway?
03:32:47.000I remember when I had my Liz Frank surgery on my foot, you know, there was an option.
03:32:51.000The two surgeries was the one where they put the screws in or whatever, and then they have to redo the surgery and take them out or do whatever I did.
03:33:00.000I did what I did, so I don't have any metal in my foot, but...
03:33:17.000This was 2018, so I was kind of learning about eating healthy, and I was still learning a lot of stuff, so I might not have taken care of it the best way.
03:33:25.000But legit, two fucking years, that foot hurt so bad.
03:36:25.000I didn't get enough manual physical therapy.
03:36:28.000So, I probably just didn't take care of it enough, but I know Liz Frank injuries, I was looking it up and stuff, and they're very serious fucking injuries.
03:38:10.000It's probably hard to get air through that nose, right?
03:38:13.000Yeah, one time I'm a little congested right now, but even last night at the hotel, I bring my mouth tape, I sleep with it, and I have to fucking...
03:38:21.000I've been sleeping with mouth tape for years now, and I just have to, but I have to make sure.
03:38:24.000I have to hit some nose spray sometimes.
03:38:52.000It's grinding on the jiu-jitsu anyway.
03:38:53.000But I want to take it up another level.
03:38:57.000I'm in such a good mind space and a head space to just get back to the grind of grappling and wrestling and it's going to benefit me so much for the next four or five months.