The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #135 with Paul Felder

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00:00:12.000 Paul Felder, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:13.000 How are you, sir?

00:00:14.000 I'm good, man.

00:00:15.000 Thanks for having me, dude.

00:00:16.000 My pleasure.

00:00:17.000 Yeah.

00:00:17.000 I love what you've done because I think every professional athlete, every fighter, when you're done competition, you need something to drive you.

00:00:27.000 And you decided to go into triathlons, which I think is fucking awesome.

00:00:31.000 Yeah.

00:00:32.000 And I kind of...

00:00:34.000 I stumbled upon it.

00:00:35.000 I didn't have any idea what I was going to do when it was all said and done.

00:00:38.000 I thought, you know, I'll be like everybody else.

00:00:40.000 I'll do grappling competitions.

00:00:41.000 I'll hit pads.

00:00:43.000 I'll stay active.

00:00:44.000 But that's still not the same as getting to the cage and actually fighting somebody.

00:00:50.000 And I stumbled upon this guy, Lionel Sanders, who I kind of found on YouTube, just looking up run workouts.

00:00:56.000 Because I was getting bored during the pandemic.

00:00:58.000 You know, I was going outside.

00:00:59.000 I was going for these runs and they were getting boring.

00:01:01.000 You just run miles.

00:01:02.000 I was like, how do guys do this?

00:01:04.000 He's just running to run all the time and there's no there's no structure or anything and I found one of his workouts in Arizona where he was running it was like 107 degrees and he's doing like crazy tempo workouts and I was like, oh my god.

00:01:19.000 What's a tempo workout?

00:01:20.000 So, like, all your runs kind of break down into, you know, you have your easy miles, aerobic, right?

00:01:26.000 And then you have where you kind of go a little bit, you're not quite going as hard as you're going to go for a race, and that's like tempo.

00:01:32.000 So you're upping your heart rate into that kind of zone three area where you're keeping it right there.

00:01:37.000 You're not going threshold, which, you know, kind of just below all out.

00:01:42.000 And he was doing that, and it was like a hundred and something degrees. 1.00

00:01:44.000 And I was like, this dude's out of his fucking mind. 0.99

00:01:47.000 And I started following all his stuff, and then I started realizing how crazy this sport is. 0.99

00:01:51.000 If you really watch these guys, I mean, they're freak athletes, these guys.

00:01:55.000 MMA, right?

00:01:56.000 Wrestling, jujitsu, kickboxing, boxing, traditional martial arts.

00:02:00.000 Well now, I found this other sport that's totally new to me, that I know nothing about, that I can dive into, and it's all these different disciplines. 0.93

00:02:08.000 So I can be an idiot all over again, and not just pick one sport, I can do all three of these things. 0.91

00:02:14.000 And I didn't even know how to swim. 1.00

00:02:16.000 Yeah, I heard that.

00:02:16.000 Bilal told me.

00:02:18.000 Oh bro, I swam with Bilal.

00:02:20.000 If I don't know how to swim, Bilal super doesn't know how to swim. 0.58

00:02:25.000 He sucks, but he does it just like anything. 0.96

00:02:28.000 He gets in there, he does it. 1.00

00:02:29.000 I've swam with him.

00:02:30.000 He's done a triathlon.

00:02:31.000 Oh, really?

00:02:32.000 Yeah, he did it on like a borrowed bike, a borrowed wetsuit, which is like a surfing wetsuit.

00:02:38.000 Not what you would go and swim in cold water with for having any flexibility in your shoulders.

00:02:47.000 Yeah.

00:02:48.000 So these triathlons, how long does it take to complete one of those?

00:02:53.000 Well, there's sprint distance, which is a really short one.

00:02:58.000 I mean, you can do those.

00:02:59.000 The guys are doing those under an hour, like 45 minutes, 30 minutes.

00:03:05.000 You can do some of them.

00:03:05.000 It's like a quarter of a mile swim.

00:03:08.000 It'll be like a 10-mile bike, and then I think a 5K. And it's always swim, bike, run?

00:03:14.000 Swim, bike, run.

00:03:15.000 Unless you're doing like Super League stuff, which is this other organization that's now kind of mixing up the order of which they'll do things.

00:03:22.000 A lot of these races, they'll do swim, bike, run, swim, bike, run, swim, bike, run.

00:03:28.000 So these dudes are literally, and women, are tucking their caps and their goggles and stuff while they're riding on the bike and stuff like that. 1.00

00:03:35.000 And then they pull it back out as they're sprinting to the water, putting their cap back on their goggles and diving in after having just run, you know, probably like sub five minute miles, diving back into the water to not be able to breathe correctly.

00:03:49.000 It's just the scariest thing of it all.

00:03:51.000 But the ones I do the most are 70.3s.

00:03:53.000 So it's like the half Ironman distance.

00:03:56.000 So it's 70.3 miles.

00:03:58.000 It's 1.2 mile swim, 56 mile bike, and then a half marathon.

00:04:03.000 Jeez!

00:04:04.000 Yeah.

00:04:04.000 And I started with that, like an absolute jabroni that I am.

00:04:08.000 Everybody's like, do a sprint, do an Olympic.

00:04:11.000 I was like, no, I want to do this one.

00:04:13.000 And I did, and...

00:04:15.000 I remember the first time I saw you when we were getting ready for a show, we were in the green room, getting changed, and I was like, what are you doing? 1.00

00:04:24.000 You look like shit. 0.99

00:04:25.000 I'm like, are you on Adderall or something? 1.00

00:04:27.000 You thought I looked like a crackhead. 0.99

00:04:29.000 You looked like a crackhead. 1.00

00:04:30.000 You were so sucked in. 1.00

00:04:31.000 Because I had just done that race.

00:04:34.000 So when you saw me, I was still trying to even...

00:04:37.000 Like days ago I had done that race and it's like cutting weight. 0.97

00:04:41.000 You must lose like fucking 20 pounds running one of those and doing the swim and doing the bike. 0.76

00:04:44.000 You probably lose about 10 and that's with... 0.99

00:04:48.000 Hydration.

00:04:49.000 Hydrating the whole time.

00:04:50.000 Yeah.

00:04:51.000 And so how far are you going to try to push this?

00:04:57.000 To the absolute limits of being an amateur, because I'll never be...

00:05:02.000 I mean, these guys, Joe, that do it pro, I mean...

00:05:05.000 I don't believe you.

00:05:07.000 I don't believe you.

00:05:08.000 I would love to do it professionally. 1.00

00:05:09.000 You're a psycho. 0.99

00:05:10.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 1.00

00:05:10.000 But I don't even want to say that. 1.00

00:05:11.000 I feel like it's disrespectful to the guys that I know that are pro and how fast they are to say that yet.

00:05:17.000 All I want to say now is I want to do it and be...

00:05:21.000 I want to win age groups, right?

00:05:23.000 And my age group, you know, 35 to 39 is...

00:05:27.000 These dudes are fast. 1.00

00:05:28.000 Because a lot of them come from a collegiate background of some sort of...

00:05:32.000 Whether it be swimming, cross-country, track.

00:05:35.000 And then, same as me, coming from MMA, they don't have that anymore.

00:05:39.000 And they find triathlon.

00:05:40.000 But they at least have the base...

00:05:42.000 Of an endurance sport, whereas MMA is not, as much as we want to say you have to have great endurance, and you do, which most guys still seem to don't understand that, but it's not the same.

00:05:53.000 Like 25 minutes is the longest fight that we could possibly have.

00:05:57.000 That's the swim.

00:06:00.000 But when you have a guy who has great endurance, they have such an advantage. 0.95

00:06:04.000 Like, Nick Diaz in his prime would put a pace on people that they could not fucking keep up with.

00:06:11.000 I remember when Nick Diaz was at his peak when he was in Strikeforce, when he was a champ over there.

00:06:17.000 Remember those days? 0.98

00:06:18.000 Dude, he was putting a fucking pace on people. 1.00

00:06:20.000 And he would get his ass beat for the first five, ten minutes of a fight? 1.00

00:06:24.000 Well, he would force a slugfest so someone would try to go all out. 0.99

00:06:28.000 Yeah.

00:06:28.000 And he would be hitting them like 50, 60 percent.

00:06:31.000 And then every now and then he'd dig.

00:06:33.000 Every now and then he'd dig.

00:06:34.000 To the body in particular.

00:06:35.000 Yeah.

00:06:35.000 Like the Paul Daly, I think, fight.

00:06:37.000 I'll never freak that one.

00:06:39.000 I'm like, oh, he's dead.

00:06:40.000 He's done.

00:06:41.000 There's no chance. 0.99

00:06:42.000 Paul Daly has the most ridiculous left hand I think I've ever seen in the business. 0.98

00:06:46.000 And he's so skillful. 0.96

00:06:49.000 So slick in his maneuvering and the way he sets up uppercuts and hooks. 1.00

00:06:54.000 His fucking left hand is a weapon, man. 0.99

00:06:57.000 And he bombed on Nick Diaz. 1.00

00:06:59.000 Crushed him.

00:07:00.000 I thought he was done.

00:07:01.000 And he just did what the Diaz brothers do. 1.00

00:07:04.000 They take that shit... 1.00

00:07:05.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:07:06.000 Come on.

00:07:07.000 Yeah.

00:07:07.000 Crazy how they take it.

00:07:08.000 And that's gotta...

00:07:10.000 Like, that demoralizes you, man. 1.00

00:07:12.000 Like, you're in a cage fight with all these people watching, and you got this crazy son of a bitch going, come on, man, that's all you got? 1.00

00:07:19.000 Yeah, come on, hit me again. 1.00

00:07:19.000 And you're known for knocking dudes out like that? 1.00

00:07:22.000 You just... 0.99

00:07:22.000 Your heart immediately, you just shit it out. 0.99

00:07:25.000 You're like, oh my God. 0.98

00:07:26.000 Yeah.

00:07:26.000 I don't know what I'm...

00:07:27.000 Which is credit to Josh Thompson, because Josh Thompson is the only guy to ever stop.

00:07:32.000 Put his shin right upside that head. 0.52

00:07:34.000 Legitimately stopped Nate Diaz.

00:07:36.000 Legitimately stopped him.

00:07:37.000 But that's like, the way he landed it too, it was so perfect.

00:07:41.000 It was like the perfect head kick.

00:07:43.000 And he was like bent over.

00:07:44.000 He still wasn't out-out.

00:07:46.000 Still wasn't out-out.

00:07:47.000 Crazy how tough those guys are.

00:07:49.000 I mean, but I think a factor, a giant factor in especially Nick's early success was the cardio.

00:07:56.000 And he's known for doing a lot of long runs and triathlons.

00:08:02.000 And they do, I know even just recently, a guy, this kid Justin that I trained with did Xterra.

00:08:08.000 He did an Xterra race with him.

00:08:09.000 What is an Xterra?

00:08:10.000 So it's more like mountain biking, trail running, as opposed to the TT bike out on a highway type.

00:08:19.000 The waters are a little bit more rugged.

00:08:23.000 It'll be a little bit colder, crazier areas that you're racing in.

00:08:27.000 So it's a little more like wilderness type racing, but it's still a triathlon.

00:08:30.000 It's still swim, bike, run.

00:08:32.000 But you'll be up and down.

00:08:34.000 You'll be running through trails and through trees and over stuff like that.

00:08:37.000 Running from bears, swimming away from sharks.

00:08:41.000 Don't talk about it.

00:08:42.000 I was just in Rio and I was swimming in the ocean every day.

00:08:44.000 And I know everybody's like, oh, there's no sharks there.

00:08:47.000 Are there no sharks there?

00:08:48.000 You can't help but when you're swimming in the open water, you kind of...

00:08:51.000 I had like a can of soda brush by me at one point.

00:08:54.000 And I almost pooped myself, I swear to God.

00:08:58.000 My friend Peter Attia, he swam all the Hawaiian Islands.

00:09:03.000 He did this crazy swim.

00:09:04.000 And he was training for this in San Diego.

00:09:07.000 And I think the week he was training, some guy got eaten by a great white shark.

00:09:13.000 So he's out there in the very waters where a guy got bit in half.

00:09:18.000 And apparently they were all training for a triathlon, these people that were doing it.

00:09:22.000 So there was like a run of them.

00:09:24.000 There was like 10, 15 guys swimming, and just one of them...

00:09:29.000 My first race this year is in Oceanside.

00:09:32.000 Where's Oceanside?

00:09:33.000 It's like outside of San Diego.

00:09:35.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:09:36.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:09:38.000 Oh, God.

00:09:39.000 April 1st.

00:09:39.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:09:40.000 April 1st.

00:09:41.000 It's Ocean Swim. 1.00

00:09:42.000 Fuck all that. 0.99

00:09:43.000 I was in Maui last November. 1.00

00:09:47.000 And...

00:09:49.000 A buddy of mine was just there this past, like, Duncan was there, like, when?

00:09:53.000 Like, two months ago?

00:09:54.000 And some lady was snorkeling with her husband, and the guy pops his head up, and they're screaming at him from the shore, get back in shore, and he looks over, and there's all this blood in the water and thrashing.

00:10:04.000 He gets to the shore, and he realizes it's his wife.

00:10:06.000 They never even found her.

00:10:08.000 Yeah, well, because she's gone.

00:10:10.000 Yeah.

00:10:12.000 Oh, God.

00:10:14.000 Diver decapitated by 19-foot great white shark in the Gulf of California, report says.

00:10:19.000 Local divers have been warned about the presence of sharks in the area. 1.00

00:10:22.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:10:23.000 Does this just happen? 1.00

00:10:24.000 Yeah, January 5th.

00:10:26.000 They paid him extra money to go down because no one would go get the mollusks, so he went and didn't make it back out.

00:10:32.000 Oh, my mollusks.

00:10:33.000 Like, what kind of mollusks? 0.64

00:10:35.000 And also, I guess they're 20 meters down or so, 10 to 20 meters down, so he was down a Pretty specific.

00:10:41.000 So he's down really low and a 19-foot shark decapitated him?

00:10:45.000 36 to 59 feet, actually.

00:10:47.000 Oh my god.

00:10:48.000 Oh my god. 0.67

00:10:50.000 Crazy. 1.00

00:10:51.000 Fuck that, Paul Felder. 1.00

00:10:54.000 What are you doing? 1.00

00:10:54.000 Can't wait for that swim. 1.00

00:10:56.000 And the best part is we wear black wetsuits that make us look like big old seals flopping around.

00:11:01.000 Do you have to wear a black one?

00:11:03.000 Can you wear a neon green one?

00:11:04.000 If you can find a bright...

00:11:06.000 I don't know.

00:11:07.000 Do sharks see?

00:11:08.000 Do they see color, though? 1.00

00:11:09.000 They probably don't see shit. 1.00

00:11:10.000 Black and white. 1.00

00:11:11.000 So that pink one is white, I guess, to them.

00:11:13.000 Yeah, it's like the underbelly of something delicious.

00:11:16.000 Well, there's thousands of us out there, so you've just got to be lucky.

00:11:20.000 Oh, boy.

00:11:21.000 You've just got to be lucky. 1.00

00:11:22.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:11:22.000 Well, I did a race in Florida and there was 100% a gator off on the side that somebody sent me a picture, thank God, after the race. 1.00

00:11:32.000 They're like, oh, by the way, this was sitting on the side of the lake that you guys were swimming in, just waiting for us to finish.

00:11:37.000 If you're in Florida, virtually any body of water could have an alligator.

00:11:41.000 Could have, 100%.

00:11:42.000 Which is so weird.

00:11:42.000 It could be like in a development and there's like a little pond and they might just be like, oh, I'm just going to go take a splash in here.

00:11:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:48.000 I remember like a year ago, some old lady who was walking in this beautiful gated community in North Carolina and she got snatched up.

00:11:57.000 Yeah.

00:11:57.000 They'll eat dogs and stuff like that.

00:11:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:00.000 I used to live in Gainesville.

00:12:01.000 And when I lived there, back then, alligators were endangered.

00:12:06.000 So you couldn't kill them.

00:12:07.000 So they were everywhere.

00:12:09.000 And people would feed them marshmallows.

00:12:11.000 It was a place called Lake Alice.

00:12:13.000 We'd go to Lake Alice and throw marshmallows in the water.

00:12:15.000 I wonder why marshmallows, of all things.

00:12:18.000 They found out they would eat them, so they'd throw them in.

00:12:21.000 Throw some graham crackers at them, too.

00:12:23.000 They eat chicken, too. 0.99

00:12:24.000 They eat meat, whatever the fuck you want to feed them. 0.99

00:12:25.000 That's what I would think. 0.98

00:12:27.000 Protein. 1.00

00:12:27.000 But they're fucking monsters. 1.00

00:12:29.000 I hate those things. 1.00

00:12:30.000 They really drive me crazy.

00:12:31.000 I mean, they're truly a dinosaur, basically, that still lives. 1.00

00:12:37.000 Yeah, just a heartless fucking reptile. 1.00

00:12:39.000 Just wants to rip your leg off. 1.00

00:12:41.000 And roll.

00:12:43.000 There's a video that I put up on my Instagram from one of those nature is brutal or nature is metal pages.

00:12:51.000 And it's a crocodile grabs this wild pig and snaps it in half.

00:12:57.000 And it's got it by the jaws. 0.99

00:13:01.000 And it just...

00:13:02.000 Yeah, just rips it straight off.

00:13:04.000 Just with like a flick of its neck.

00:13:06.000 I've seen one of those. 1.00

00:13:07.000 And dude, you see them, these guys still have the, they're so stupid to, oh, I'm going to put my hand in there. 1.00

00:13:14.000 Oh yeah, all the time. 1.00

00:13:15.000 It's going to shred everything off of you if it can.

00:13:18.000 Yeah.

00:13:19.000 There's like sideshows that they do where guys like touch the inside of the crocodile's mouth.

00:13:24.000 They screw up, right?

00:13:25.000 Because I think that's what happens if you touch their tongue or something like that.

00:13:28.000 Because otherwise, I don't think it even knows what you're doing.

00:13:31.000 It's just waiting.

00:13:32.000 Yeah.

00:13:32.000 And the guy's not paying attention, slips up.

00:13:34.000 Oh, see ya.

00:13:36.000 Man, look at this guy.

00:13:39.000 Florida man.

00:13:40.000 Oh god, he lost his arm?

00:13:42.000 Share a survival story after Alligator rips off arm.

00:13:45.000 He gets lost in a swamp for three days.

00:13:46.000 Oh, I saw that guy.

00:13:47.000 Now let's be fair, he doesn't look like he's got much else going on.

00:13:52.000 Yeah, that meth kept him alive through that entire journey.

00:13:56.000 Three days lost in a swamp with no arm.

00:13:59.000 Florida, man. 0.99

00:13:59.000 That might be just a cover story for some fucking crazy meth explosion. 0.99

00:14:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:04.000 Man, a gator got me! 0.99

00:14:06.000 I swear to God, I don't fucking even touch meth. 1.00

00:14:10.000 It was a goddamn gator. 1.00

00:14:12.000 Goddamn gators. 1.00

00:14:14.000 It's just any sport that involves maybe getting eaten. 1.00

00:14:19.000 Yeah.

00:14:20.000 You're not going to get eaten inside of the octagon.

00:14:22.000 I mean, it's definitely a safe environment as far as MMA. You just got to deal with the other maniac in there that's trying to kill you. 0.88

00:14:28.000 What was the catalyst for you deciding to retire?

00:14:32.000 Because you retired in prime age.

00:14:35.000 How old were you when you first decided?

00:14:38.000 I guess when I first said it after the hooker fight, I was, I guess, 37. Yeah, so it's like at the end.

00:14:46.000 Yeah, but I started late too.

00:14:49.000 I didn't turn professional until I was 28, I think.

00:14:52.000 Wow.

00:14:53.000 What was your first amateur fight?

00:14:56.000 I think I was like 20, 26?

00:14:59.000 Really?

00:15:00.000 Yeah.

00:15:00.000 So when did you start training?

00:15:02.000 Well, so I did taekwondo since I was a little kid.

00:15:06.000 Started 12 years old doing that and competed junior Olympics, Olympics, you know, wearing the hokus and all that kind of stuff.

00:15:13.000 Did all the traditional taekwondo tournaments.

00:15:15.000 And I used to get kicked out of some of these things because I'd throw punches or I'd...

00:15:20.000 Throw too hard.

00:15:21.000 Like, I remember one time my mom ended up getting into this huge argument with this guy because I was hitting her son too hard in a martial arts competition.

00:15:29.000 Oh, God.

00:15:30.000 Parents.

00:15:30.000 Oh, dude.

00:15:31.000 And my mom is like the sweetest woman in the world, but as soon as somebody talks ill of me or steps to me, my mom's ready to throw down. 1.00

00:15:40.000 She's the one who taught me how to fight, man.

00:15:42.000 Wow.

00:15:42.000 Yeah, I got stories about mom, but I did that all the way through until I was in college.

00:15:50.000 And then I went to acting school.

00:15:51.000 Yeah, you were a theater major.

00:15:53.000 I went to school for theater, yeah.

00:15:54.000 And I kind of stopped training hardcore but still taught karate at the school that I got my black belt at when I was a kid while going to school in Philly for acting.

00:16:04.000 I was still teaching the little kids.

00:16:07.000 And then I was working professionally in like the Philadelphia theater scene, which isn't anything major, but there's some good professional theater companies there.

00:16:15.000 I was doing that for a little while.

00:16:16.000 And in the summers, the theaters, they're dark.

00:16:20.000 There's not much going on.

00:16:21.000 And a buddy of mine that I used to train with took an amateur fight.

00:16:25.000 And I used to kind of get the better of him.

00:16:27.000 And he went and did well on this amateur fight down in Atlantic City, new breed fighting is what it was called.

00:16:34.000 And I was like, I could do that.

00:16:36.000 So I waited a whole year, did the next summer, signed up for one of those fights.

00:16:42.000 And dude, that was it.

00:16:43.000 That walkout, the crowd, all your friends and family being there, you're walking out to fight somebody else.

00:16:50.000 I remember having migraines.

00:16:52.000 I remember vomiting afterwards.

00:16:54.000 I was so anxious, so nervous.

00:16:56.000 And I won.

00:16:57.000 And I remember telling all my acting friends at the time, we were drinking in the back of somebody's South Philly row home.

00:17:03.000 And they're like, that was crazy, man.

00:17:05.000 Are you done? 1.00

00:17:05.000 And I was like, fuck no. 1.00

00:17:07.000 I was like, I have to do that again. 0.99

00:17:09.000 And I have to do it better than I did that time.

00:17:12.000 And so a year later, I signed up for another one following summer, new breed, but I knew what to do now. 0.81

00:17:18.000 So I trained properly.

00:17:19.000 I went to a Muay Thai school to train for it.

00:17:21.000 I did jujitsu for it. 0.99

00:17:23.000 And I beat the crap out of this kid in my second fight, leg kicked the dog shit out of him. 0.99

00:17:28.000 And it was a decision, but I was like, all right. 0.99

00:17:31.000 That was cleaner.

00:17:32.000 Then I did another one and now I thought I was too cool for school and I got choked out in my third amateur fight.

00:17:38.000 I got triangle choked by this kid, Max Bohannon, who was like a prodigy. 0.98

00:17:43.000 He was from Ricardo Almeida's school and trained with him and he choked the shit out of me. 0.66

00:17:50.000 And then I was like, okay, now I got to start doing real grappling and real jiu-jitsu.

00:17:55.000 And I started training with jiu-jitsu schools and stuff like that.

00:17:57.000 And I did one more amateur fight, spinning back kick to the liver. 0.96

00:18:00.000 I knocked this kid out in my fourth amateur fight.

00:18:02.000 And then I went pro because the rules in PA, shin guards, big, huge, puffy gloves, two minute rounds.

00:18:09.000 The hell are you supposed to do as a striker with two minutes?

00:18:11.000 You're a wrestler?

00:18:13.000 You get one takedown, you won the round.

00:18:15.000 That's it.

00:18:16.000 So when I turned pro, I was like, okay, I'll do one pro fight just to say I was a pro athlete.

00:18:22.000 You know, just to say that I did it.

00:18:24.000 Honest to God, that's why I did it.

00:18:25.000 I was like, I'm going to go back to acting.

00:18:27.000 And I was still doing professional shows in between getting ready for fights.

00:18:33.000 Won the fight, flying me, TKO the dude.

00:18:37.000 They took him out on a stretcher.

00:18:39.000 It was for CFFC. They had to stop the show because they only had one ambulance.

00:18:43.000 Oh, wow.

00:18:44.000 So the ambulance had to take the guy, and shout out to M. Toomey Goodrum.

00:18:48.000 You're still the man.

00:18:48.000 But they took him out, and they had to wait for the ambulance to come back.

00:18:52.000 So I stopped the show in my first...

00:18:56.000 Wow.

00:18:56.000 In my first pro fight.

00:18:58.000 One ambulance?

00:19:00.000 Yeah, they took him out on a stretcher.

00:19:02.000 No, but I mean one ambulance.

00:19:03.000 One ambulance, yeah, and they never did that again.

00:19:04.000 Yeah.

00:19:05.000 They never did that again.

00:19:07.000 You know, if anything, I show them you need to have two ambulances at these things.

00:19:10.000 So you get some fights in some small organizations.

00:19:14.000 Yeah.

00:19:14.000 And then how old?

00:19:15.000 Mainly Cage Fury, who, you know...

00:19:19.000 Thank God, that's kind of who I stumbled upon.

00:19:21.000 So I was already kind of with one of the better regional promotions to begin with.

00:19:26.000 I lucked out with that.

00:19:27.000 I fought in Pittsburgh, I think, once or twice.

00:19:30.000 And then, yeah, I fought for CFFC. And how many fights did you have before you got into the UFC? I was 8-0.

00:19:38.000 I was 8-0 when I got signed.

00:19:40.000 I think I had like six knockouts, a bunch in the first round, and that's when I started putting the acting way on the back burner.

00:19:53.000 I was like, wow, I might actually be able to get into the UFC. That was never Never the goal was to get in the UFC from the beginning.

00:20:03.000 But then once I started winning, I always trained my ass off.

00:20:06.000 Just like I am with triathlon or whether it be acting, whether it be fighting, commentary.

00:20:12.000 I'm trying to put myself into it.

00:20:15.000 The wind started coming and then I remember I knocked out This kid in Atlantic City in my last fight with CFFC, a spinning hook kick.

00:20:26.000 Yeah, this is it.

00:20:28.000 Bam! 0.98

00:20:29.000 I got more damage from the ref throwing me into the cage than I did in that whole fight. 0.98

00:20:36.000 What did you weigh here?

00:20:38.000 That's 155. I was just smaller.

00:20:41.000 You know, years, dude, think about, like, you know how it is.

00:20:44.000 The years and years of you doing strength and conditioning and you building up those muscles and your bones get denser and stuff like that.

00:20:50.000 So, I mean, by the time I got to the UFC plus, The lightweights were so big, I remember thinking, like, I have to be bigger than these guys.

00:20:59.000 And I had this complex that I had to weigh so much so I'd go and get so fat in between fights.

00:21:05.000 That's one regret I have.

00:21:06.000 Looking back, I would have stayed leaner and in better shape all year round and not done the drastic weight cuts that I did.

00:21:13.000 Is that, like, the thing that you worry the most about?

00:21:16.000 We were talking about that earlier.

00:21:18.000 Well, I know for sure that I've hurt my kidneys to the point where even after fights, like I've had rhabdo after the Dan Hooker fight.

00:21:27.000 I was like peeing in Coca-Cola.

00:21:29.000 And they made me stay in the hospital for like an extra day or two to monitor my kidneys.

00:21:34.000 I almost had compartment syndrome from that fight.

00:21:38.000 They were going to have to slice my calf open. 0.90

00:21:41.000 I've obviously lost a piece of my lung in the James Vick fight.

00:21:45.000 How'd that happen?

00:21:46.000 The end of the fight, He knees me.

00:21:51.000 And it pushed in my ribcage.

00:21:53.000 A lot of people thought my ribcage broke.

00:21:55.000 It didn't.

00:21:55.000 Nothing broke.

00:21:56.000 But I had a...

00:21:57.000 They call it like a bleb on your lung that you would only know about if somebody went in there or...

00:22:04.000 Something happened to it.

00:22:05.000 So it's like a bubble that naturally forms on your lungs, and it's okay unless something hits it.

00:22:12.000 Well, that knee just so happened to hit right on that spot, and it just so happened that I had this thing on my lung, and it burst.

00:22:21.000 Whoa.

00:22:22.000 So it collapsed my lung.

00:22:25.000 Since it collapsed, that part of my lung was then damaged.

00:22:29.000 Normally, if you fall really hard doing snowboarding or something like that, or if you're rock climbing, you fall and you land on your ribs, you can puncture them by breaking your ribs, or the impact can almost blow it out.

00:22:44.000 A lot of times, they'll go back on their own.

00:22:46.000 They'll re-inflate.

00:22:48.000 Your lungs will...

00:22:50.000 Kind of heal themselves.

00:22:52.000 Or they put, they call it like a pigtail or something.

00:22:54.000 They inserted this tube down into my lung, which was like a vacuum.

00:22:58.000 It would suck the air around my lung and my chest wall out, forcing the lung to go back around where it was supposed to.

00:23:08.000 And that wouldn't work.

00:23:09.000 So like three days went by.

00:23:11.000 They did that for a couple days.

00:23:12.000 It wouldn't work.

00:23:13.000 And then finally the surgeons came in.

00:23:15.000 They're like, we're going to have to go in, find where the bleb was, cut it out, staple your lungs shut, and then adhere your lung to your chest wall. 1.00

00:23:25.000 So my left lung is attached to the inside of my chest wall.

00:23:34.000 Like an elephant.

00:23:35.000 Apparently elephants, their lungs are actually attached to the inside of their chest wall.

00:23:39.000 So this lung, like if you stab me here, it would never fully collapse again.

00:23:45.000 Wow.

00:23:46.000 I'm like a superhero on this side.

00:23:48.000 Does it change the way you move?

00:23:49.000 Except for the inch that I'm missing from it.

00:23:51.000 Does it change the way your body moves?

00:23:53.000 Do you feel it?

00:23:54.000 No.

00:23:54.000 I will get a cramp every now and then in the surgery area that they have.

00:23:59.000 I still have a scar.

00:24:00.000 It goes right across like Jesus.

00:24:02.000 It's right along here. 0.70

00:24:05.000 That was miserable, dude.

00:24:06.000 And that's one of the many things.

00:24:08.000 I know we kind of went on a tangent, but retirement was like, I can't.

00:24:13.000 You broke your forearm in the Mike Perry fight.

00:24:15.000 Broke my forearm in that one.

00:24:16.000 You guys called that one nice.

00:24:17.000 You could tell by the way I was holding my hand funny.

00:24:20.000 And I remember in between rounds going like this, and I could feel the bones crunching together on the side.

00:24:26.000 And I told Duke, I was like, he's like, I know, baby, I know.

00:24:30.000 It's so common with those spinning back fists.

00:24:33.000 Yeah.

00:24:33.000 So common, you hit the forehead.

00:24:35.000 And then you know what's dumber is throwing it like eight more times in the same fight.

00:24:38.000 And I remember you and, I think it was you and Dom, like, oh, God! 0.89

00:24:43.000 Stop throwing that arm!

00:24:45.000 How many people have done that?

00:24:46.000 But it's instinctual.

00:24:46.000 So many people have shattered their forearm.

00:24:48.000 Dom had done that in training.

00:24:50.000 Really?

00:24:51.000 Which is why when he's calling with you, he's going, oh!

00:24:55.000 Because he knows exactly what it feels like.

00:24:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:58.000 Stupid, man. 1.00

00:24:59.000 Yeah, spinning back fists and catching that forearm to the forehead. 1.00

00:25:03.000 Right on the forearm.

00:25:04.000 So common.

00:25:04.000 Just snaps it in half.

00:25:05.000 I mean, it's such a, obviously, vulnerable. 0.71

00:25:06.000 Your forehead is freaking dense.

00:25:09.000 Yeah, you get that. 0.61

00:25:10.000 You get a lot of breaks from checking kicks incorrectly or blocking kicks incorrectly.

00:25:17.000 I love that.

00:25:17.000 You know what I regret never getting, injury-wise?

00:25:20.000 I know it sounds silly to say, but...

00:25:21.000 The slices on the shin that you see all these guys getting from check-in kicks and your shin is just like pouring blood.

00:25:28.000 Bro, whose shins are harder than Jan Blachowicz?

00:25:31.000 That Anglia fight, he's just like going shin to shin with him.

00:25:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:35.000 Like, holy fuck, man. 1.00

00:25:37.000 It's Polish guys, man. 1.00

00:25:38.000 But it's him. 1.00

00:25:38.000 I don't know if it's all Polish guys, but that motherfucker made out of wood. 1.00

00:25:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:42.000 He's different. 1.00

00:25:44.000 Yeah, he...

00:25:44.000 He just went shin to shin with him.

00:25:46.000 He doesn't care.

00:25:47.000 Yeah, I mean, that was very, very impressive.

00:25:50.000 Because we were like, this is crazy.

00:25:52.000 That hurts, man.

00:25:53.000 Yeah.

00:25:53.000 You've gone shin to shin.

00:25:54.000 It hurts.

00:25:55.000 Horrible.

00:25:56.000 And he's just cracking him.

00:25:57.000 Yeah.

00:25:57.000 Just getting in there with it.

00:25:58.000 It's like baseball.

00:26:00.000 Two baseball bats just...

00:26:01.000 Yeah.

00:26:02.000 And people, it's like when you see people kind of criticize, ah, the leg kicks, they're not that bad.

00:26:06.000 It's like...

00:26:07.000 Oh, you don't know.

00:26:08.000 Bro, you have no idea. 0.99

00:26:09.000 Anybody who says that, let me kick you. 1.00

00:26:11.000 Just one time. 1.00

00:26:12.000 Just let me kick you one time. 1.00

00:26:13.000 One time. 0.98

00:26:13.000 I won't even do it all the way. 0.98

00:26:14.000 No. 0.99

00:26:14.000 I'll kick you 50%. 0.99

00:26:16.000 Yeah, not even 20%. 1.00

00:26:17.000 They deserve 50%.

00:26:18.000 They deserve 50%.

00:26:19.000 Imagine the calf kick.

00:26:20.000 Give them just 20% of a calf kick.

00:26:23.000 It's like, do you like walking? 1.00

00:26:24.000 I've only been calf-kicked fucking around. 0.98

00:26:26.000 I've never calf-kicked either in training or in a fight because there was no calf-kicks back then. 0.99

00:26:32.000 Bisping told me he went his entire career without getting calf-kicked.

00:26:34.000 No, of course, yeah.

00:26:35.000 Which is crazy.

00:26:36.000 The first time that I had actually...

00:26:40.000 The first time I ever experienced it was when I fought...

00:26:44.000 Do you remember Mark Stevens from The Ultimate Fighter?

00:26:47.000 No.

00:26:47.000 He was on Team Koscik.

00:26:50.000 I fought him outside of the UFC before I got in.

00:26:53.000 And he was training down at ATT. And those guys have been throwing that calf kick for a long time.

00:27:00.000 And he probably landed about four or five.

00:27:05.000 And I remember thinking, what is he doing?

00:27:07.000 He's missing my thigh.

00:27:09.000 But then I remember kind of moving around in the second round. 0.97

00:27:13.000 I'm like, holy shit, this is cramping up really bad. 0.83

00:27:15.000 And luckily I got him out of there. 0.95

00:27:19.000 And then Dan Hooker was the other time that I had really been...

00:27:22.000 Dan Hooker's very good at it.

00:27:23.000 He's very good at it.

00:27:23.000 Because he just places it.

00:27:25.000 He just touches you.

00:27:26.000 And you're like, oh that wasn't that hard.

00:27:28.000 Benson Henderson was the first.

00:27:30.000 Yeah.

00:27:31.000 He was the first guy that I ever saw use it in the UFC. He also would punch you in the thigh. 0.78

00:27:34.000 I don't know how effective that one was. 0.99

00:27:36.000 Anderson used to do that too for fucking around. 0.92

00:27:38.000 But Benson was the first guy that I ever saw that regularly threw calf kicks. 0.86

00:27:43.000 But for whatever reason, it didn't have the kind of effect that you're seeing with guys now.

00:27:49.000 I don't know what it is.

00:27:50.000 I don't know if they're placing it more effectively.

00:27:54.000 Because where it really hurts is right next to your shin bone.

00:27:58.000 Just all that meat and the nerves that goes right along the bone.

00:28:03.000 So it looks like a lot of times you'll hear guys, oh nice check!

00:28:07.000 It's like he didn't check that.

00:28:08.000 Because it just has to touch that muscle on the side of your shin bone.

00:28:12.000 So it looks like you checked it.

00:28:15.000 Well, I think the casuals got woken up to it in the Dustin Poirier-Conor McGregor fight.

00:28:19.000 Yeah.

00:28:20.000 In that fight, where you just see how he's just so compromised.

00:28:24.000 And even fights where you don't think that a guy's compromised, like Adesanya and Pajera. 0.95

00:28:29.000 Israel said after the fight, he's like, you fucked my leg up. 0.99

00:28:31.000 My leg was useless. 1.00

00:28:32.000 Yeah, you watch it in the replay.

00:28:33.000 I didn't notice it, even because I was upstairs watching it.

00:28:36.000 And then when they started showing the highlights later on, I was like, well, he went down from the one check, too.

00:28:42.000 So he checked it really weird and he got capped.

00:28:45.000 He tripped over his foot and then went down.

00:28:47.000 So we said, oh, he just stumbled.

00:28:49.000 But it was really because his leg wasn't working well.

00:28:51.000 Already?

00:28:52.000 Yeah.

00:28:52.000 It was the first round.

00:28:54.000 I've watched that fight several times.

00:28:56.000 Apparently so has...

00:28:59.000 Alex Pereira made Glover watch it.

00:29:02.000 Every time he comes over, apparently he puts it on.

00:29:06.000 I watched it again and it's that first round. 0.99

00:29:09.000 That first round, he fucking really chops at it. 0.98

00:29:12.000 He's got a very strange style. 0.99

00:29:14.000 It's very uniquely...

00:29:16.000 Pereira?

00:29:16.000 His, yeah.

00:29:17.000 The stand-up style, it's very different.

00:29:19.000 Like his hands, he stands like this.

00:29:22.000 He's just freakishly long and big for that weight class.

00:29:26.000 And his power is preposterous.

00:29:28.000 You ever see some of those guys, like when you look at certain skinny guys, and I'm not calling him, he's not like a...

00:29:33.000 He's lean.

00:29:34.000 But he's lean.

00:29:35.000 Tall and lean.

00:29:36.000 Those guys are the guys I worry about.

00:29:39.000 Because...

00:29:40.000 It's those guys that hit freakishly hard.

00:29:42.000 The big muscle guys, you know that guy's going to hit you hard.

00:29:45.000 But it's these sneaky, tall, lean guys, man.

00:29:47.000 Those Tommy Hearns looking dudes.

00:29:49.000 Yeah, and when they turn into those hooks, his left hook.

00:29:53.000 So much torque and leverage. 1.00

00:29:55.000 His fucking left hook is a thing of beauty, man. 1.00

00:29:58.000 It really is. 1.00

00:29:59.000 I mean, everything is fucking sick. 0.98

00:30:03.000 Scary dude. 0.99

00:30:03.000 He's such a scary guy. 0.99

00:30:04.000 And the high-level kickboxing experience that he has, like coming over from glory, I'm very interested to see what Israel does different in the second fight, but I'm really interested in seeing him against someone who can wrestle.

00:30:17.000 That's what I'm really interested in.

00:30:19.000 I was just going to say, it's kind of working out perfectly for Alex where you get another shot.

00:30:26.000 You get to go and face Israel. 0.89

00:30:28.000 Again, that's the best matchup for you.

00:30:30.000 You've got a guy that is probably going to stand with you for as long as the fight lasts.

00:30:35.000 When he's really going to get challenged is when he has somebody that's going to say...

00:30:40.000 Marvin Vittori. 1.00

00:30:41.000 Yeah, I'm going to grapple your ass. 1.00

00:30:43.000 I'm going to pressure you up against the fence. 1.00

00:30:45.000 And for guys like Vittori, it's got to be like, alright.

00:30:48.000 They want him to stay the champ.

00:30:50.000 Because Izzy already had their number, and he's been there.

00:30:53.000 But as long as Pereira's in there, another kickboxer, but with a different style, maybe not as much experience in the grappling department, they're chomping at the bit to get in there.

00:31:03.000 Well...

00:31:04.000 I don't know how chomping at the bit they are. 1.00

00:31:06.000 He's fucking scary. 0.99

00:31:08.000 Robert Whittaker, you know, Whittaker's very well-rounded. 0.99

00:31:11.000 He's an interesting matchup for him.

00:31:13.000 There's very good matchups in that 185-pound division, but in my opinion, what's interesting is He's a specialist.

00:31:21.000 He's like a pure specialist.

00:31:22.000 I mean, he can grapple a little bit, but that's not what he wants to do. 1.00

00:31:28.000 He wants to knock your fucking head into the bleachers. 0.99

00:31:30.000 Yeah, and you know it going in. 1.00

00:31:32.000 You know that's what he wants to do to you.

00:31:35.000 I mean, Izzy was winning that fight, and he still got him out of there.

00:31:41.000 I couldn't believe it.

00:31:42.000 I remember even saying to the people when we were watching it up in the ESPN desk, we're like, man, could you imagine if he pulls it off here in the end? 0.99

00:31:48.000 And he fucking did it. 0.99

00:31:49.000 Yeah, he did it. 0.99

00:31:50.000 Izzy was probably ahead three... 0.99

00:31:52.000 Well, how many rounds do you think he was ahead going into that fifth round?

00:31:57.000 Because that was the fifth, and I think even that round was...

00:32:00.000 I don't remember now.

00:32:02.000 Well, Izzy definitely won the first and almost knocked him out. 1.00

00:32:04.000 I think he had probably two or three rounds.

00:32:09.000 Yeah, it's hard to say.

00:32:10.000 I'd have to go back and try to score it.

00:32:13.000 Which I'm terrible at, man.

00:32:15.000 People are always like, what did you think?

00:32:16.000 I'm like, I'm calling the fight.

00:32:18.000 Yeah, you can't call and score at the same time.

00:32:20.000 They don't get it.

00:32:20.000 When you're scoring a fight, you should shut your mouth.

00:32:23.000 Okay, here we go.

00:32:24.000 So, Izzy had three rounds on Eric Colon's card. 1.00

00:32:28.000 On Sal Diamante's card, he had three rounds.

00:32:32.000 And he also had three rounds on Mike Bell's.

00:32:34.000 Yeah, so he had that.

00:32:35.000 All the same, too.

00:32:36.000 All he had to do was move around.

00:32:38.000 Yep.

00:32:38.000 And not get caught.

00:32:40.000 Not get caught, and he wins that fight.

00:32:42.000 Wow.

00:32:45.000 I'm very interested in the rematch.

00:32:47.000 Because you gotta think, Izzy almost had him out in the first round, man.

00:32:52.000 He almost had him out.

00:32:54.000 If he can avoid getting that leg compromised like he did in the first round of that fight, and so he's got his movement, And he also had some great moments grappling, which surprised a lot of people.

00:33:07.000 When he had Pereira's back.

00:33:08.000 If there's a time that you're going to pull out some grappling, it's in that matchup.

00:33:13.000 And he's been at it longer than Pereira.

00:33:16.000 So it's like, that's the time to show.

00:33:18.000 And he did.

00:33:19.000 Both guys did.

00:33:20.000 Both guys, I think, scored takedowns at one point or another in that fight.

00:33:23.000 I remember being like, oh, now they're wrestlers in here.

00:33:25.000 You get two guys that know they can knock the crap out of each other, and suddenly everybody knows how to do a little bit of wrestling.

00:33:30.000 Well, just, you know, mixing it up, just keeping someone guessing overloaded their brain.

00:33:36.000 25 minutes of avoiding that left hook.

00:33:40.000 Scary proposition.

00:33:41.000 It's everything, man.

00:33:42.000 Everything he hits you with is hard.

00:33:45.000 That's what I'm talking about, those lean guys like that.

00:33:46.000 You know those shins hurt. 1.00

00:33:48.000 You know if he lands an elbow.

00:33:50.000 Same as Izzy.

00:33:51.000 They have a similar build, but Alex has more muscle on him.

00:33:56.000 He's quite a bit bigger.

00:33:57.000 I mean, I think Pejeta, when he actually weighed into the fight, was above 220. When he was inside the octagon for the fight, it was above 220. Whereas, you've got to remember, when Izzy fought Jan Bojovic for the light heavyweight title, he was only 194. Yeah.

00:34:13.000 Izzy's one of those guys that... 0.87

00:34:15.000 He's not cutting that much weight.

00:34:16.000 He's not cutting any weight.

00:34:17.000 And even when he wanted to go up to light heavyweight, he's like, I'm not cutting any weight.

00:34:20.000 I'm going to fight as I fight.

00:34:22.000 Which makes sense.

00:34:23.000 Especially if you're not planning on making that transition permanently, you don't want to go and add on all that size. 0.97

00:34:28.000 And the other thing that drives me nuts about when I hear these fighters, and I think it's really the strength and conditioning coaches feeding bullshit more than it is the fighters. 0.85

00:34:37.000 They're just listening to what they're being told, but... 0.97

00:34:40.000 You don't put on 20 pounds of muscle in a month.

00:34:43.000 You ever hear these guys in fighter meetings, we'll be talking to them and be like, well, you know, I put on about 10 pounds of lean muscle mass for this camp.

00:34:49.000 Like this particular camp, you've put on 10 pounds of muscle mass.

00:34:54.000 How are you going to pass your piss test?

00:34:57.000 What supplements are you taking for that?

00:34:59.000 Hair quotes, air quotes, supplements.

00:35:01.000 You didn't put on 10 pounds of muscle. 0.53

00:35:04.000 You're out of your mind.

00:35:06.000 Yeah, you probably gained some water weight.

00:35:09.000 You got stronger!

00:35:10.000 What kind of scanning are they doing of their body composition before they say these things?

00:35:15.000 It's the coach doing the eyeball scan saying that you put on 10 pounds of muscle for this one.

00:35:20.000 Well, you know, I always go back to the Roy Jones Jr. Ruiz fight when he fought John Ruiz.

00:35:26.000 He went up to heavyweight, remember?

00:35:28.000 And he got very muscular.

00:35:30.000 He was real big.

00:35:31.000 I mean, he wasn't too heavy for a heavyweight.

00:35:34.000 I want to say Roy weighed like 200 pounds, just a little over 200 pounds maybe.

00:35:39.000 See what he weighed for that John Ruiz fight.

00:35:41.000 Does it say?

00:35:43.000 193. Oh, was he really?

00:35:45.000 That's all he weighed?

00:35:46.000 Well, the heavyweight for boxing is different.

00:35:50.000 But I think that's now.

00:35:50.000 They're saying now he weighs 193. But what did he weigh when he fought John Ruiz?

00:36:01.000 Does it say there?

00:36:02.000 Oh, he said he weighed 193 and Ruiz was 226. Interesting.

00:36:08.000 But, you know, Roy was so fucking talented. 0.94

00:36:10.000 But when Roy went down in weight and then fought Tarver in his next fight, he looked deflated. 0.96

00:36:17.000 He looked like he had just really drained himself to make that weight cut.

00:36:21.000 Yeah, that's why you see these guys drop down, man.

00:36:23.000 Looked terrible and then got knocked out.

00:36:25.000 Very few people can do it.

00:36:26.000 Jose Aldo, somehow.

00:36:28.000 I don't know.

00:36:29.000 Came down and looked great.

00:36:31.000 Still look good.

00:36:31.000 I think what happened with Aldo is he never really had a serious nutritionist.

00:36:36.000 Yeah.

00:36:36.000 Where someone was like planning his meals, breaking it down by calories.

00:36:41.000 He was just cutting all that weight.

00:36:42.000 Yeah.

00:36:43.000 For the 45. And it's like, well, you could have been a lot smaller way before you even got to that weight cut.

00:36:48.000 Because I remember when he was at the top of the heap at 145, he was heavy, man.

00:36:54.000 Yeah, he was struggling to make those weight cuts.

00:36:57.000 And when he said he was going down to Bantamweight, it's like, well, how are you going to go down to Bantamweight?

00:37:02.000 You used to struggle to make 145 pounds.

00:37:05.000 Lifestyle changes.

00:37:06.000 Yeah, lifestyle changes.

00:37:08.000 And some guys, that's the move.

00:37:10.000 And some guys, you know, it just ruins them because they drain so much out of their body.

00:37:16.000 They're not durable anymore.

00:37:18.000 Yeah, I joked about I've talked to like Nixick and Brian Butler, my manager.

00:37:24.000 I'm like, maybe I'll come back on 145. And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:29.000 And I talked to Ian Larios, who does all my weight cuts. 0.99

00:37:31.000 He's like, are you out of your fucking mind, dude? 0.99

00:37:33.000 He's like, just because you're skinnier now doesn't mean you can drop a whole weight class and have no trouble making that weight. 1.00

00:37:40.000 Were you thinking about it at one point in time, doing one more fight?

00:37:44.000 Oh man, I've thought about it many, many times.

00:37:47.000 Did you think about it after Oliveira became the champ?

00:37:50.000 Because when you beat Oliveira...

00:37:52.000 He was not, yeah.

00:37:54.000 You know, not really, because we're on such different trajectories.

00:37:58.000 It's like, just because at the time I had a win, which I loved having over him.

00:38:02.000 I loved being the last guy that had beaten the champion, which is no longer the case, but...

00:38:07.000 For me to come back and think I'm going to even come close to getting that matchup, it's like, well, that's not going to happen.

00:38:14.000 I'm going to have to win and beat all these insane, hungry contenders before I even get to sniff at that belt. 0.97

00:38:21.000 He was an interesting case.

00:38:23.000 He still was an interesting case because he was a guy who was kind of known as a guy who fell apart.

00:38:30.000 A quitter, a little bit.

00:38:31.000 Cub Swanson knocked him out, a bunch of guys had beat him.

00:38:35.000 Max Holloway had that weird neck thing going on.

00:38:38.000 What happened to the Max Holloway fight?

00:38:40.000 Remember?

00:38:40.000 He had a weird stinger almost in his neck, I think.

00:38:45.000 And he kind of just crumbled in the corner and tapped out.

00:38:48.000 I think it was a legit thing with his neck.

00:38:50.000 Oh yeah, I remember that.

00:38:51.000 It was kind of scary.

00:38:52.000 I forgot about that.

00:38:53.000 But then everybody was calling him a quitter and all this. 1.00

00:38:56.000 He just turned a corner and then became the baddest motherfucker in the weight class. 1.00

00:39:01.000 Not just the baddest motherfucker in the weight class, but one of the best motherfuckers in the sport. 0.99

00:39:05.000 When he knocked out Chandler and he beat the shit out of Gaethje, when he was putting it on people, you gotta go, God damn, he's good. 0.99

00:39:14.000 I'm curious to see if he comes back and gets back to that Islam fight. 1.00

00:39:21.000 Because he seems to want it.

00:39:22.000 At first, it didn't seem like...

00:39:25.000 Like after you've been there with Islam, I think a lot of people go, I don't know if I want to get back in there right away. 1.00

00:39:31.000 And then you think about it for a while.

00:39:34.000 What does it say here?

00:39:35.000 Olivera suffered a Michael tear in his esophagus.

00:39:38.000 Wow.

00:39:40.000 And you know what that was probably due to?

00:39:42.000 He said he's injured his neck in training, but did physical therapy and thought everything was fine.

00:39:46.000 What do you think it's due to?

00:39:47.000 Probably all of the weight cuts that he had been doing to make 145 pounds back in the day.

00:39:53.000 That's right, the 45 pounds.

00:39:54.000 Now, he probably heard it in training legit.

00:39:56.000 Yeah.

00:39:56.000 But when you're constantly dehydrating yourself camp after camp after camp.

00:40:00.000 And I remember when he fought me, he was still trying to go back down to 145 pounds.

00:40:05.000 Jesus.

00:40:05.000 Which is why...

00:40:06.000 He wasn't as big.

00:40:08.000 I mean, I must have been 20 pounds heavier than when I fought him back then.

00:40:12.000 And so then he made a conscious decision.

00:40:14.000 He said, I'm gonna stay here because they told him you have no choice.

00:40:18.000 So like you're either gonna fight in this weight class or you're gonna keep missing and screwing yourself over.

00:40:23.000 It's crazy because his power developed.

00:40:26.000 Like when he hit Gagey, Gagey said no one ever hit him that hard before.

00:40:29.000 He said he felt it in his teeth.

00:40:31.000 Even back in the day when he was still Mr. Skinny Charles Oliveira and he kicked me a few times, I remember being like, God damn! 0.99

00:40:39.000 I thought I was going to buzzsaw through this guy on the feet and he lands a few shots and you could see where that strength was there. 0.96

00:40:46.000 That, again, another one of those just wiry guys where you kind of underestimate their power and then they hit you and you're like, Jesus Christ.

00:40:53.000 Long, lean.

00:40:54.000 It's a great build for fighting.

00:40:56.000 You look at some of the great fighters of our time, like the long, lean guys.

00:41:00.000 It's the best build, in my opinion.

00:41:02.000 Because you have the reach advantage.

00:41:04.000 The reach, jujitsu, you can wrap everybody up, you can sneak your arms in through.

00:41:09.000 You're not as bulky, which maybe you don't have as much of that brunt kind of power that some of the guys that are shorter and stockier would have in the division, but...

00:41:19.000 I think that long, lean muscle for MMA is the way to be.

00:41:24.000 And I was just short and stumpy.

00:41:25.000 I had no reach.

00:41:27.000 None of those benefits, unfortunately.

00:41:30.000 Yeah, but then look at Mighty Mouse.

00:41:32.000 He's short and stumpy too, and he's the greatest of all time.

00:41:34.000 Yeah.

00:41:34.000 If not the greatest.

00:41:35.000 He's in the conversation.

00:41:37.000 I mean, I don't think there's one real greatest of all time.

00:41:39.000 Khabib is most certainly in the conversation.

00:41:41.000 Jon Jones.

00:41:42.000 Jon Jones, for sure.

00:41:43.000 Jon Jones has got the perfect build.

00:41:45.000 Perfect build.

00:41:47.000 How is that going to translate to heavyweight?

00:41:49.000 It's very interesting because everybody else has the perfect build up there too.

00:41:52.000 It's a different world when you're dealing with natural 245s, natural 260s. 1.00

00:41:57.000 I was really looking forward to him and Francis.

00:42:00.000 I think everybody was, man.

00:42:01.000 I got real bummed out when they didn't make that happen.

00:42:04.000 I think Francis just sees that pot of gold at the end of the boxing rainbow and is like, you know what? 0.99

00:42:10.000 I'm going to make some fucking money. 0.98

00:42:12.000 And my hope is, here's my hope. 0.99

00:42:14.000 Here's the perfect world.

00:42:15.000 The perfect world is he goes over, has some big money heavyweight boxing fight.

00:42:21.000 Jon Jones and Cyril Ghosn have a fight.

00:42:24.000 John wins, Cyril wins, whoever wins is the UFC champion, and then they have- Comes back.

00:42:30.000 And then Francis comes back.

00:42:31.000 Yeah.

00:42:32.000 I'd like to see him come back.

00:42:33.000 He can totally come back.

00:42:34.000 Francis, if you're listening, sir, please- You can come back.

00:42:37.000 Don't sign an exclusive contract.

00:42:38.000 Just go make some money.

00:42:40.000 No, there's no way, right?

00:42:40.000 Who knows if someone comes along and offers him a shit ton of money.

00:42:44.000 Yeah.

00:42:44.000 Look, I mean, he should.

00:42:45.000 If someone says, hey, I'll give you a hundred million dollars.

00:42:48.000 You do whatever.

00:42:49.000 You say, okay, what do I got to do?

00:42:50.000 Fight Jake Paul? 0.99

00:42:51.000 What the fuck do I have to do? 0.99

00:42:52.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

00:42:53.000 Like, if they're going to offer him big money.

00:42:55.000 But I think they're trying to do a Tyson Fury fight. 0.97

00:42:58.000 I know Tyson Fury was saying a bunch of crazy shit like, we'll fight in a cage. 0.98

00:43:02.000 We'll fight in a cage. 0.99

00:43:05.000 With boxing rules, MMA gloves?

00:43:07.000 Mike Tyson as the referee.

00:43:09.000 Why is that?

00:43:11.000 More people would buy it.

00:43:14.000 That's just getting a bunch of people to buy it.

00:43:17.000 Make as much money as they humanly can.

00:43:20.000 I mean, people need to understand the levels of boxing, though.

00:43:27.000 Listen, Francis Ngannou could knock out any human being on Earth if he can hit them clean on the chin, but good luck hitting Tyson Fury clean on the chin.

00:43:37.000 Did you see Floyd Mayweather sparring yesterday?

00:43:40.000 He made that kid, I don't know who that kid is.

00:43:42.000 Well, the kid is like a decent boxer.

00:43:45.000 Yeah, and that just shows you right there.

00:43:47.000 I mean, he was, I just saw it yesterday, I was watching, and he was just, and he was talking, bang, bang, bang, playing with him, and moving away from him, and, you know, and the kid, whoever this guy is, I guess he's a YouTuber?

00:44:00.000 Yeah, oh really?

00:44:01.000 Do you know who he is, Jamie?

00:44:04.000 The kid had an excellent account of himself because even though Floyd was tagging him, he didn't shy away.

00:44:10.000 He kept moving forward.

00:44:12.000 He was just...

00:44:12.000 And you can't get frustrated.

00:44:13.000 The worst thing you can do when Floyd's talking shit to you like that is rush him. 1.00

00:44:18.000 Right. 1.00

00:44:19.000 Because you're going to walk into a right hand and you're going to look like an idiot. 1.00

00:44:24.000 So he's like 50 years old. 1.00

00:44:28.000 I mean, it's amazing. 1.00

00:44:30.000 His understanding of where the punches are coming, look at that fucking counter. 0.98

00:44:34.000 His understanding of, is that the dude he boxed? 0.99

00:44:38.000 Yeah, he's talking about the video.

00:44:39.000 Oh, let's hear him say it, what he's saying.

00:44:45.000 Oh my god, I didn't even see that.

00:44:50.000 Look, he's coming.

00:44:52.000 And he touched you with that.

00:44:54.000 Yeah, just touched you.

00:44:55.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:44:57.000 That's funny.

00:44:57.000 If he wanted to take you down with that liver shot, he would have taken you down.

00:45:01.000 Yeah, easily.

00:45:02.000 He's just tapping him up.

00:45:03.000 But that guy's got a great sense of humor about it.

00:45:07.000 It's very funny how he's laughing about it.

00:45:10.000 But, you know, I mean, you've got to think, this guy is 50 years old.

00:45:15.000 I mean, how old is Floyd now?

00:45:16.000 He's got to be close to 50. He's got to be late 40s.

00:45:18.000 48?

00:45:18.000 Yeah, late 40s.

00:45:21.000 Kid was 21. And at this point in time, 45?

00:45:25.000 Sorry, Floyd.

00:45:26.000 I didn't mean to age you.

00:45:27.000 Sorry, Floyd.

00:45:28.000 But I mean, past his prime and still just making millions of dollars fighting people that have no business.

00:45:35.000 He's really brilliant.

00:45:36.000 What he's doing is brilliant because he...

00:45:39.000 Gets these guys to fight him.

00:45:41.000 They have no business fighting him.

00:45:42.000 He's making millions of dollars.

00:45:44.000 He puts on a show.

00:45:45.000 Do you see the one he did?

00:45:46.000 I guess it was in...

00:45:48.000 Was it in Dubai?

00:45:50.000 Where he took the ring card and he was walking around in between rounds holding the ring card.

00:45:56.000 He took it from the ring card, girl. 0.99

00:45:57.000 He was just having a blast.

00:45:58.000 I saw the one a while back.

00:45:59.000 He fought that kickboxer kid.

00:46:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:02.000 That was like the first time he had done one of those big exhibitions.

00:46:07.000 But Tension fought 126. Tension's a tiny guy.

00:46:11.000 Yeah.

00:46:12.000 He's a brilliant kickboxer.

00:46:14.000 Fought without kicking.

00:46:15.000 Yeah, without the kicking.

00:46:16.000 You got no chance.

00:46:17.000 I know.

00:46:17.000 He might not even have a chance.

00:46:19.000 He has a chance of kicking.

00:46:20.000 Can you imagine if they let him leg kick Floyd?

00:46:23.000 That's the only way I'm getting in there.

00:46:25.000 Can I elbow?

00:46:26.000 How about this? 0.64

00:46:27.000 Can I knee you? 0.98

00:46:28.000 I get 10 leg kicks around. 0.96

00:46:31.000 Give me one.

00:46:33.000 Right.

00:46:33.000 Give me one.

00:46:34.000 Yeah.

00:46:35.000 If I land...

00:46:36.000 I don't want to...

00:46:37.000 Oh, you get those juices flowing again.

00:46:39.000 Yeah.

00:46:40.000 Let's go.

00:46:41.000 I do, man.

00:46:42.000 It's...

00:46:43.000 It's hard.

00:46:45.000 Especially since we do commentary, right?

00:46:48.000 So I'm around these elite fighters all the time.

00:46:51.000 And I try to be respectful.

00:46:55.000 But you can tell sometimes somebody will get sassy or have a comment about what I said.

00:46:59.000 And it's like, man, don't forget that I've been in there too, man.

00:47:02.000 Like I know everything that's going on there. 0.99

00:47:05.000 I've had my ass beat. 0.99

00:47:06.000 I've beaten some good dudes. 0.99

00:47:08.000 I've never was champion.

00:47:10.000 That's the only thing.

00:47:10.000 Sometimes I feel a little bit of...

00:47:13.000 What's the word where you feel like you're...

00:47:18.000 Imposter syndrome?

00:47:19.000 Yes.

00:47:20.000 Like I don't deserve to be there sometimes because you got Dom next to me, he's champ, WEC champ, I got DC's double champ next to me.

00:47:27.000 Well, what about me?

00:47:28.000 I never even fought MMA. Yeah, but you're there day one, do you know what I mean?

00:47:31.000 Yeah, but you do a great job.

00:47:33.000 You shouldn't have imposter syndrome.

00:47:35.000 And you are absolutely a legitimate, like, top-flight professional fighter.

00:47:39.000 It's just that sport is always going to have sensitive people when, you know, you dedicate your entire life to this one moment and then someone's criticizing it and saying, oh, he could have done this and he could have done that. 1.00

00:47:51.000 And they're like, fuck you, Paul Felder! 0.99

00:47:54.000 I've had to take some Joe Rogan lessons on not reading the comments and not doing all that stuff. 1.00

00:48:00.000 Everyone should listen to me about that.

00:48:02.000 For the longest time, I'd get into these arguments and you can't win because you've already lost.

00:48:09.000 The second you type it in and send it, they just won.

00:48:14.000 Yeah, you lost right away.

00:48:17.000 You lost really letting it get to you is the first loss.

00:48:20.000 There's nothing at stake, so you can't win anything.

00:48:23.000 No.

00:48:23.000 There's no way to win.

00:48:25.000 I'll beat you up, internet guy? 0.98

00:48:27.000 I say that, but then there's Gordon Ryan, who loves to fucking go back and forth with people online. 0.98

00:48:32.000 But does he have fun doing it? 0.98

00:48:34.000 He does.

00:48:35.000 Okay. 1.00

00:48:35.000 He's a legitimate psycho, though. 1.00

00:48:38.000 But as long as you can enjoy... 1.00

00:48:39.000 He's a real psycho. 0.91

00:48:41.000 As long as you can enjoy it. 0.98

00:48:42.000 Yeah.

00:48:43.000 I started to get mad.

00:48:44.000 He enjoys it.

00:48:46.000 He gets a kick out of it. 1.00

00:48:47.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

00:48:47.000 You can't hurt his feelings like that. 0.99

00:48:50.000 What are you going to do? 0.96

00:48:52.000 First of all, where's the trash talk even coming from with a guy like that?

00:48:55.000 What are you saying to him? 0.82

00:48:57.000 That he's not the best?

00:48:58.000 You only want 50 in a row?

00:49:00.000 You can't heel hook everybody? 0.97

00:49:03.000 You're the greatest of all time.

00:49:04.000 Whatever.

00:49:05.000 You're a beautiful, handsome, tall, good-looking guy built like a Greek god. 1.00

00:49:10.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:49:11.000 Abs. 1.00

00:49:11.000 Hate your abs. 1.00

00:49:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:13.000 Probably seeking one to suck dick. 1.00

00:49:16.000 Yeah, it's an interesting thing, that social media... 1.00

00:49:20.000 Because I've seen it ruin people's lives. 0.98

00:49:23.000 I've seen some fighters, they get into it with people on social media and they're going back and forth all the time and I know that's fucking with their head. 0.73

00:49:30.000 I know they're probably thinking about that when they're hitting pads or thinking about some mean thing that someone said to them.

00:49:35.000 Or someone posts a... 0.99

00:49:37.000 I remember people used to fuck with Rashad Evans. 0.99

00:49:40.000 There was that photo of him when Lyoto Machida knocked him out and it was like his eyeballs were rolled back in his head. 0.98

00:49:46.000 And some guy came up to him at...

00:49:49.000 To sign it?

00:49:50.000 Yes.

00:49:51.000 And he crumpled it up and threw it at him.

00:49:54.000 Should've just signed it.

00:49:55.000 Yeah.

00:49:56.000 I don't know.

00:49:58.000 Like, you gotta...

00:49:59.000 You're in there with...

00:50:00.000 You're standing right next to a lion.

00:50:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:02.000 Like, how about you watch your fucking mouth? 1.00

00:50:04.000 You think you're cute to go up to Rashad Evans and... 1.00

00:50:07.000 Put a picture of him being knocked out?

00:50:09.000 Yeah, you think that's cute? 1.00

00:50:10.000 He'll rip your fucking head off your body. 1.00

00:50:13.000 How about that? 1.00

00:50:13.000 He's a much calmer man these days, man. 1.00

00:50:15.000 Oh my god.

00:50:16.000 He's so chill now.

00:50:18.000 He went on a psychedelic journey.

00:50:19.000 Yeah.

00:50:19.000 He became a different human.

00:50:20.000 It's so funny to see him.

00:50:22.000 Just his energy in the backstage area is just so calm now.

00:50:27.000 And I'm like, dude, I remember hanging out with you.

00:50:29.000 Yeah.

00:50:30.000 That's what it doesn't. 1.00

00:50:31.000 You turn into a fucking giraffe. 1.00

00:50:34.000 That's the one thing I can't... 1.00

00:50:36.000 John Gooden, too.

00:50:37.000 I just can't get on that bandwagon.

00:50:41.000 I don't think it's good for you.

00:50:42.000 I mean, it might be okay for some people, but I don't believe it's the optimum diet.

00:50:47.000 And this comes from many, many, many conversations with nutritionists.

00:50:50.000 Yeah.

00:50:51.000 And vegans, too, and trying to listen to people that are vegan.

00:50:54.000 You can do it and pull it off.

00:50:57.000 But you have to really be careful and you have to really mind your macronutrients and really pay attention to what you're taking. 0.99

00:51:02.000 Yeah, because it just seems so easy to take way too much of, you know, processed shit. 0.98

00:51:08.000 It's not just that. 0.98

00:51:09.000 You definitely could do that.

00:51:10.000 But it's also your body's not absorbing.

00:51:13.000 Like when people go, you can't go one-to-one with animal products versus like broccoli.

00:51:18.000 Like if you say like, oh, I got 25 grams of protein from broccoli.

00:51:22.000 No, you didn't.

00:51:22.000 Because your body's not absorbing it the same.

00:51:24.000 Yeah, with all that fiber.

00:51:26.000 You're just going to be farting the whole time is what's going to end up happening.

00:51:29.000 But some people have done it right.

00:51:31.000 They can do it.

00:51:32.000 It can be done right.

00:51:33.000 I just don't think it's the optimal diet.

00:51:35.000 I really believe that red meat, and this is very controversial, but it's backed up by science.

00:51:42.000 It really is.

00:51:43.000 Red meat is one of the most nutrient-dense foods.

00:51:45.000 Yeah.

00:51:46.000 And all of our ideas about what's bad and what's good, we've been hoodwinked. 0.80

00:51:50.000 We've been hoodwinked by a bunch of fucked up studies that were conducted by the sugar companies because they paid scientists off to lie about the dangers of saturated fat, and that is just in everyone's consciousness.

00:52:03.000 And then, you know, there's all these people, what about your cholesterol? 0.97

00:52:06.000 What about that?

00:52:07.000 What about this?

00:52:08.000 What about that?

00:52:09.000 I get my blood work done all the time. 0.99

00:52:11.000 I'm healthy as fuck. 0.99

00:52:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:52:13.000 So you know, and you are eating a lot of red meat.

00:52:15.000 I'm eating mostly meat.

00:52:17.000 All of January, I go on the carnivore diet.

00:52:20.000 I do it every year.

00:52:21.000 All January, I eat nothing but meat. 0.97

00:52:23.000 I feel fucking great. 0.99

00:52:24.000 You don't crave like... 0.99

00:52:25.000 I do crave.

00:52:25.000 Oh, I guess you do, yeah.

00:52:26.000 I do cheat.

00:52:27.000 I cheat a couple times.

00:52:28.000 What's your go-to?

00:52:29.000 I ate sushi.

00:52:30.000 I had some sushi.

00:52:31.000 That was really good.

00:52:32.000 But it's just rice.

00:52:33.000 I cheated with rice.

00:52:35.000 I cheated a little bit.

00:52:36.000 Rice is my favorite thing on the planet.

00:52:37.000 I had dessert three times this month.

00:52:40.000 Yeah.

00:52:41.000 And I had a piece of bread yesterday. 1.00

00:52:44.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:52:45.000 I love bread, dude. 1.00

00:52:46.000 I do too.

00:52:47.000 I love it. 0.96

00:52:48.000 I had a steak and I was like, one piece of bread's not gonna fucking kill me. 0.88

00:52:51.000 You know what I want after the steak? 0.86

00:52:53.000 What?

00:52:53.000 Some bread.

00:52:54.000 Yes.

00:52:55.000 After the steak?

00:52:55.000 No, I'm just saying.

00:52:56.000 I always want bread now.

00:52:59.000 I love bread.

00:53:00.000 Bread with butter. 0.99

00:53:01.000 It's fucking goddamn it's so good. 1.00

00:53:02.000 You know what? 0.99

00:53:02.000 Warm, warm bread. 0.99

00:53:04.000 Have you ever heard of this?

00:53:04.000 When I was a kid, If we had anything with gravy for dinner, we would do bread and gravy afterwards, right?

00:53:13.000 My dad would go to the kitchen, grab the biggest thing of white bread that we had, put a pile on it.

00:53:19.000 Anybody want some bread and gravy?

00:53:20.000 And we would just sit there, grab the gravy, and pour it all over bread.

00:53:26.000 Well, you know, I'm Italian, and my grandparents used to live in this very Italian neighborhood in New Jersey that eventually wasn't Italian, but they had these Italian bakeries, and I'd go walk with my grandfather to this bakery.

00:53:41.000 He'd go to the bakery every couple of days and buy a couple of loaves of bread, and it was the freshest bread, and you'd carve into it, and my grandmother would make homemade- Jersey, Philly, New York.

00:53:51.000 Pasta sauce.

00:53:53.000 That's my favorite thing in the world.

00:53:55.000 Dip it in there with butter.

00:53:57.000 Butter and marinara.

00:53:58.000 Bubbling away.

00:54:00.000 You have a side of bread.

00:54:02.000 Slather that with some butter.

00:54:03.000 Right into the pot. 0.97

00:54:04.000 Almost scold your whole face off. 0.96

00:54:07.000 But it's just, whatever. 0.97

00:54:08.000 I'm going in.

00:54:09.000 So good.

00:54:10.000 I mean, I know it's terrible for you.

00:54:11.000 But look, you're from Philly. 1.00

00:54:13.000 A fucking cheesesteak sub. 1.00

00:54:17.000 A real good one. 1.00

00:54:19.000 A real good one would just... 0.95

00:54:21.000 Fucking hot, and you rip it apart at the middle and take a bite into it, and it's the crunch of the bread on the outside and the juiciness. 0.97

00:54:30.000 It's the bread. 0.99

00:54:30.000 Oh, it's everything. 0.99

00:54:31.000 Even all the hoagies and stuff like that, you get the hard seed it rolls.

00:54:35.000 That's the way to go.

00:54:36.000 Look at that.

00:54:38.000 Jesus, look at that.

00:54:39.000 That looks good.

00:54:40.000 Eat that, Bilal! 0.98

00:54:41.000 Oh, that looks so good. 0.98

00:54:42.000 Philly doesn't suck. 1.00

00:54:43.000 Chicago sucks. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Go, birds! 1.00

00:54:45.000 Look how good that looks.

00:54:47.000 God, that looks good.

00:54:49.000 That's whiz wit right there. 0.89

00:54:51.000 It's funny how Philly became known for cheesesteaks.

00:54:55.000 Yeah.

00:54:56.000 That is the food of Philadelphia, right?

00:54:59.000 If you ask someone, I don't think there's another place like that in terms of a sandwich that's completely connected to one city.

00:55:09.000 Yeah.

00:55:10.000 Name another place.

00:55:11.000 No.

00:55:12.000 I can't.

00:55:13.000 I guess...

00:55:14.000 Chicago's got the...

00:55:17.000 Deep dish.

00:55:18.000 And what's their...

00:55:19.000 They do a beef sandwich too in Chicago.

00:55:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:23.000 But it's not like...

00:55:24.000 Not as famous as a cheesesteak.

00:55:27.000 Philly's synonymous with cheesesteaks.

00:55:29.000 And Jim's, which was always my favorite spot on South Street, that's just burned down not too long ago.

00:55:35.000 I don't even think it's...

00:55:36.000 Back up and running, and then obviously Pat's and Gino's are just like the...

00:55:40.000 They're kind of touristy, right?

00:55:41.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:55:42.000 They're still good.

00:55:43.000 Bro, if it's three in the morning, and you've been out, and then you go and get a...

00:55:48.000 It's going to taste amazing, right?

00:55:50.000 And you want to see a brawl.

00:55:51.000 If you want to see a fistfight.

00:55:53.000 You're five out of ten.

00:55:54.000 Or be in one.

00:55:56.000 You can go stand in that line.

00:55:58.000 What's the best cheesesteak in Philly?

00:56:00.000 There's got to be like one best place.

00:56:03.000 I mean, I always went to gyms, but everybody would argue.

00:56:07.000 There's a spot in the Northeast.

00:56:09.000 I know the Dawkus Brothers would be arguing with me about that and Sean Brady. 0.99

00:56:14.000 But you know what?

00:56:15.000 I don't eat them that often, to be honest with you.

00:56:19.000 When you grow up, Once a year?

00:56:22.000 No, more than that.

00:56:25.000 When I say I don't eat them very often, I mean like, you know, every couple months I'll have a cheesesteak.

00:56:29.000 But I'm pizza.

00:56:30.000 I'm a pizza guy nowadays.

00:56:32.000 Every time I watch Dave Portnoy test pizza, I wish I was there with him.

00:56:36.000 Yeah.

00:56:36.000 I get so jealous.

00:56:38.000 Like when he's just taking a bite out of crust.

00:56:41.000 Meanwhile you're eating a steak and he's just crushing bread.

00:56:43.000 Yeah, I mean, it's not good for you.

00:56:46.000 The right way for me, just me personally, when I eat and I feel my best, is like fruit and meat.

00:56:52.000 That's it.

00:56:53.000 And I can eat greens.

00:56:54.000 Greens don't seem to bother me.

00:56:55.000 But the balance for me seems to be fruit and meat.

00:57:01.000 What is this?

00:57:02.000 Is this gyms?

00:57:04.000 Is it gyms?

00:57:05.000 Oh, that looks good.

00:57:06.000 Oh my god.

00:57:07.000 I got to make a cheesesteak at Jim's for the UFC. Oh, really?

00:57:10.000 They did a feature when we...

00:57:12.000 The last time they were in Philly, me and my brother Tommy did a...

00:57:18.000 This guy's going off.

00:57:19.000 Barack!

00:57:20.000 Oh, mama! 1.00

00:57:22.000 I mean, everybody's...

00:57:23.000 Yeah, and that's the thing.

00:57:24.000 The thing I like about Jim's, too, on South Street is you can get beers and stuff there.

00:57:28.000 A lot of them, they don't want you to get beer because it's three in the morning and you're already trying to fight somebody outside of that place.

00:57:36.000 It's just funny.

00:57:38.000 How did that happen where that became the known sandwich of Philadelphia?

00:57:43.000 I don't know.

00:57:44.000 I think that...

00:57:45.000 I remember I'd heard how they even got started.

00:57:48.000 I think a guy had some leftover steak and it was like early in the morning or something and he threw a sandwich together and I think that's how they got started making them like that, but...

00:57:59.000 I don't know how that became so damn famous with our city that we're known for cheese whiz and chopped steak.

00:58:06.000 Yeah, we think about all the different food, all the different stuff that people could eat, that one sandwich becomes famous for the city.

00:58:10.000 We were like one of the founding, the original capital of this nation.

00:58:15.000 And what are we known for now?

00:58:16.000 Cheese Whiz on...

00:58:18.000 Also known for fighters.

00:58:20.000 I mean, think about how many...

00:58:21.000 Bernard Hopkins, Joe Frazier.

00:58:25.000 I mean, so many great fighters came out of Philadelphia.

00:58:27.000 Dude, there's a kid now.

00:58:29.000 Ennis.

00:58:30.000 Oh, Boots Ennis. 1.00

00:58:32.000 Damn! 1.00

00:58:33.000 Goddamn, he's good. 1.00

00:58:34.000 He's so good. 0.98

00:58:36.000 I remember training with him When he was like a teenager, and he was just playing around with us.

00:58:45.000 And he would just move around.

00:58:47.000 I mean, we were grown adult MMA fighters, couldn't even touch this kid.

00:58:52.000 And now look, he's just murdering people.

00:58:55.000 He's so slick. 0.96

00:58:55.000 The way he... 0.96

00:58:57.000 Yeah.

00:58:57.000 Just like slides.

00:58:58.000 He basically does like a cartwheel and gets out of the way of some of these shots, man.

00:59:02.000 He's so slick.

00:59:03.000 He's so slick and creative and so entertaining to watch.

00:59:06.000 He's so good.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, he's so good at switching stances and his footwork and movement.

00:59:11.000 I'm so glad to see him.

00:59:13.000 Yeah, I see him doing as well as you.

00:59:14.000 Because he was literally helping MMA guys out with his dad, obviously.

00:59:18.000 Bozy, who's just...

00:59:20.000 Training him.

00:59:21.000 I don't know if...

00:59:22.000 I think that's who he's training with pretty much full-time still is his dad.

00:59:25.000 His dad still gets after it.

00:59:27.000 His dad is 67 years old.

00:59:29.000 He will throw down if need be.

00:59:31.000 I've seen him box like young kids in the gym who start mouthing off and he's like, oh, you want to throw down?

00:59:37.000 Doesn't throw a headgear on and just...

00:59:39.000 He'll bust people up.

00:59:40.000 Wow.

00:59:41.000 He's the man.

00:59:42.000 He cornered me for the spinning hook kick fight. 0.95

00:59:46.000 He was in my corner.

00:59:46.000 Really?

00:59:47.000 Wow.

00:59:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:48.000 So when you were doing that, did you have an MMA gym or were you cross-training on your own?

00:59:55.000 Like going to a boxing gym, a Muay Thai gym, a Jiu-Jitsu gym?

00:59:58.000 So back then, at Daniel Gracie's gym in North Philly, we had...

01:00:06.000 If you went into our basement gym, there was a sliding old school door that went into another basement and it was just like all old warehouses that were turned into studios like this or a boxing gym.

01:00:19.000 And next door to us was a boxing gym.

01:00:22.000 Wow.

01:00:22.000 So we started sharing the space.

01:00:24.000 So we would work with Bozy and all those guys and his sons.

01:00:30.000 He's got other sons who didn't make it the way Boots is now, but they would spar with us, help us out, hold pads for us.

01:00:36.000 So that was kind of just like a little collab that we had going at the time.

01:00:41.000 Wow, that's fortunate.

01:00:42.000 It was great.

01:00:43.000 That's amazing.

01:00:44.000 That's amazing.

01:00:45.000 And I remember some of the pro boxers there would just jab. 0.97

01:00:48.000 You'd be trying to beat their asses and you'd find out after the session that I was just throwing jabs. 0.98

01:00:55.000 Like, look, think back. 0.99

01:00:57.000 He's like, did I ever hit you with a right hand?

01:00:58.000 It's like, no.

01:00:59.000 You were only jabbing me in the face.

01:01:01.000 And I was trying to take your head off for, you know, six rounds or whatever it was.

01:01:05.000 And they were just sharpening up tools on you.

01:01:07.000 They were just working on one thing.

01:01:09.000 Or maybe just defense.

01:01:10.000 Not even punching you.

01:01:11.000 Well, that would be a thing that Hicks and Gracie would always do with people.

01:01:14.000 You know, like he would just go for left arm bars.

01:01:17.000 Yeah.

01:01:18.000 So he would train with everybody and just like...

01:01:20.000 That's the best way to do it.

01:01:21.000 If you're significantly better than somebody.

01:01:23.000 Okay, well, how can I handicap myself?

01:01:25.000 So I'm still working while you're still working.

01:01:27.000 Yeah.

01:01:28.000 It's just a good way to train.

01:01:30.000 Yeah, it's hard for a guy who's that much better than everybody else to get real good solid work in.

01:01:36.000 Yeah, just don't put nobody on that level.

01:01:39.000 So what was the first, was Dukes the first actual MMA gym?

01:01:44.000 I know you did some training with Cowboy too, right?

01:01:46.000 Yeah, so way back when I was still an amateur.

01:01:52.000 He had like the tap-out house back then where he had bunk beds in his own house and he would rent it out and you could just come and experience training with Donald and Leonard Garcia at the time.

01:02:04.000 So I flew out after sparring with him at a seminar and he's like, you know what?

01:02:09.000 You don't even have to pay.

01:02:11.000 Just come out and you can train with us.

01:02:12.000 You can live in the house and be a sparring partner.

01:02:14.000 And then...

01:02:16.000 After experiencing that mess of living in bunk beds with these other fighter dudes sharing one bathroom, bro, in the back of his house.

01:02:23.000 Because the way they had the ranch set up is Leonard had like this middle area.

01:02:27.000 Cowboy had his own bedroom with a bathroom in the back.

01:02:30.000 And then all of us dudes were just in like four bunk beds.

01:02:33.000 How many guys were in the house together?

01:02:35.000 Man, we'd have, there'd be like ten guys at a time.

01:02:37.000 Oh my god.

01:02:39.000 All taking dumps in the same bag.

01:02:41.000 Who's cooking?

01:02:42.000 Us!

01:02:43.000 For ourselves. 1.00

01:02:45.000 Going to Walmart and buying shit. 1.00

01:02:47.000 And that's when you realize how... 1.00

01:02:50.000 How back-assed some of these kids are with their diets.

01:02:53.000 It's like, what are you eating?

01:02:54.000 There's Oreos everywhere.

01:02:56.000 It's like little kids.

01:02:57.000 It's like...

01:02:58.000 You realize that none of us knew how to even live on our own.

01:03:02.000 And we all started...

01:03:03.000 You started eating cleaner.

01:03:04.000 You started...

01:03:04.000 Well, the ones that wanted to be successful would.

01:03:07.000 And some of these kids would miss weight or they'd be partying and not training.

01:03:12.000 And it's like, dude, you're not here on vacation, man.

01:03:16.000 Right.

01:03:16.000 You're here to train...

01:03:18.000 And some guy be in there with Cowboy, get his nose broken. 1.00

01:03:21.000 He used to spar four-ounce gloves.

01:03:24.000 No shin guards, no headgear, just mouthpiece, MMA gloves in his cage at the ranch.

01:03:30.000 And I remember I was always just getting thrown in because he'd wreck somebody.

01:03:35.000 Alright, Felder, Philly, he called me back then.

01:03:38.000 Get Philly in here. 1.00

01:03:39.000 And I'd come in and take my ass beating. 1.00

01:03:40.000 But I kept coming after him. 1.00

01:03:42.000 I kept coming after him, coming after him.

01:03:44.000 And he started flying me out.

01:03:46.000 Then I started training with those guys.

01:03:47.000 And then obviously I got my UFC debut. 0.99

01:03:49.000 And he definitely, he's like, get your ass out here. 0.99

01:03:52.000 I went out there. 0.99

01:03:53.000 I brought my buddy Jonovan with me.

01:03:55.000 And I did that for a while.

01:03:58.000 And then I was like, okay.

01:04:01.000 It was too much.

01:04:03.000 And it was cowboy.

01:04:05.000 It was the cowboy show.

01:04:06.000 I needed to find somewhere where I could kind of have my own little bit of a training camp.

01:04:12.000 I could still go and train with him, but I wasn't going to get that attention that I needed.

01:04:16.000 In terms of technique.

01:04:17.000 And now being in the UFC, that's when I was finally like, man, I can't.

01:04:21.000 I can't just be a sparring partner anymore.

01:04:23.000 And that's when I started doing my own training camps.

01:04:26.000 And I floated around Daniel Gracie.

01:04:29.000 I worked with Nick Catone and Ricardo and Mark Henry and those guys for a couple fights.

01:04:35.000 And it just, it didn't, nothing against those guys.

01:04:37.000 I love all those guys.

01:04:40.000 But it just didn't fit my style.

01:04:43.000 And then my manager at the time, Brian, was like, I want you to go check out Duke.

01:04:48.000 So I flew out there.

01:04:50.000 When I was getting ready for Gilbert Burns, which ended up not happening, he broke his arm in that fight.

01:04:56.000 But that's the first time I flew out there.

01:04:57.000 I'd lost to Trinaldo in Brazil.

01:05:00.000 And then I flew out to Duke's, and I never left.

01:05:02.000 I stayed there for the entire training camp.

01:05:05.000 Once I met him, once I hit pads with him one time, I was like, that's my guy.

01:05:09.000 Really?

01:05:09.000 That's my guy.

01:05:11.000 Interesting.

01:05:11.000 Bro, he's like rain man of Thai pads and Thai knowledge.

01:05:16.000 He's so damn good with Muay Thai.

01:05:18.000 He's a wealth of knowledge, yeah.

01:05:20.000 He'll tell you all about it, too.

01:05:22.000 Yeah, I mean, he knows a lot.

01:05:24.000 You want to hear about it?

01:05:25.000 Duke will friggin' talk to you about it.

01:05:27.000 I love that.

01:05:27.000 You gotta think of him and his brother.

01:05:29.000 I mean, they were at the forefront of kickboxing.

01:05:32.000 You know, when his brother, I forget who that Thai guy whose brother fought, but when his brother was the king of kings in kickboxing, and he fought that Thai guy, and that Thai guy chopped his legs apart, and then Duke, who was 19 at the time, was like, well, I don't think there's any talent in kicking legs.

01:05:47.000 And then he's like, I'm never gonna let that happen.

01:05:50.000 That was the moment when he was like, oh.

01:05:53.000 Yeah.

01:05:54.000 I guess there is something to this stuff.

01:05:55.000 And then he became obsessed with it.

01:05:57.000 I remember the first time I found out about Muay Thai.

01:05:59.000 I was training in Boston.

01:06:01.000 And I was training with this...

01:06:03.000 I was running this Taekwondo school.

01:06:06.000 And I was working with this boxing trainer.

01:06:09.000 And this boxing trainer had this other guy who ran a karate school in Everett.

01:06:16.000 Rich Vasopoli. 1.00

01:06:17.000 Great fucking guy. 1.00

01:06:18.000 He died actually doing a triathlon. 1.00

01:06:21.000 He got kicked in the head while he was swimming.

01:06:25.000 And he got knocked out, I guess.

01:06:27.000 Yes, this is the fight.

01:06:29.000 Look, he just doesn't even know what to do.

01:06:31.000 Yeah, and well, also, Rick had him hurt.

01:06:34.000 He had him hurt and dropped him.

01:06:36.000 Because he could punch, man.

01:06:37.000 Oh my God, he could do everything. 0.65

01:06:39.000 Rick could do everything.

01:06:40.000 And he was so clever.

01:06:42.000 Like, his kicking and everything was so slick. 1.00

01:06:45.000 But this motherfucker was just chopping him down. 1.00

01:06:48.000 Just marching forward. 1.00

01:06:49.000 Just chopping him down. 0.98

01:06:50.000 And he just brutalized his legs. 0.54

01:06:53.000 And Rick didn't react to it at all.

01:06:54.000 He didn't know what to do.

01:06:55.000 Oh, there it is.

01:06:56.000 He hurt him.

01:06:58.000 He hurt him bad.

01:07:00.000 Was it a high kick?

01:07:03.000 He kicked into the left hand.

01:07:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:06.000 So he kicked him and then threw left hand.

01:07:09.000 Bam! 0.98

01:07:10.000 Almost like a Superman punch.

01:07:12.000 Yeah.

01:07:13.000 With one leg up.

01:07:14.000 Caught him on the chin.

01:07:15.000 That blood or his mouth guard?

01:07:16.000 Mouth guard.

01:07:16.000 Alright.

01:07:17.000 So he puts his mouth guard back in.

01:07:20.000 I mean, round one.

01:07:21.000 And that's round one.

01:07:21.000 Round one.

01:07:23.000 I mean, very, very interesting moment in striking.

01:07:28.000 Because, oh, look, you heard him again.

01:07:32.000 He tags him, drops him a second time in the round. 0.99

01:07:34.000 Like, he had him in real fucking trouble. 0.99

01:07:37.000 And this dude gets up and Rick had some fucking hands. 0.99

01:07:40.000 I mean, he had amazing kicks above the waist and eventually developed great kicks below the waist. 0.99

01:07:45.000 But this Thai guy just kept fucking chopping the legs. 1.00

01:07:49.000 And I think this fight It was a fight, how do you say his name? 0.98

01:07:56.000 I don't know, you need Duke to pronounce that one.

01:08:00.000 Or Mark Delgrate could probably do it.

01:08:03.000 So he had this dude in all kinds of trouble.

01:08:06.000 Mark can actually speak Thai.

01:08:07.000 It's wild watching him speak Thai.

01:08:09.000 You see this guy from Boston, yeah. 0.99

01:08:11.000 Fucking Italian guy, you know, and he's speaking Thai. 0.99

01:08:16.000 Yeah, look at that. 1.00

01:08:17.000 Jump-spinning back kick to the head at the end of the first round. 1.00

01:08:21.000 So, this dude is getting his ass handed to him in the first round, and then comes back in the second, and just starts fucking marching him down and chopping those legs. 0.99

01:08:31.000 Hey, you can go right there. 1.00

01:08:32.000 Just go right there.

01:08:33.000 You can get a sense of it.

01:08:34.000 But we got a sense of like, oh, this is crazy.

01:08:39.000 Like, he's taking away his ability to move, and he's taking away his ability...

01:08:43.000 I mean, he just...

01:08:45.000 Thumping those shins into his thigh. 0.97

01:08:46.000 You can see it right there. 0.96

01:08:47.000 That one right there.

01:08:48.000 He's already not moving it.

01:08:50.000 Yeah, not liking it.

01:08:53.000 And it opened up a lot of people's eyes. 0.98

01:08:54.000 And I want to say, shit, what year was this? 0.99

01:08:57.000 Oh God. 0.99

01:08:59.000 I mean, does it say?

01:09:02.000 88. 88. Wow.

01:09:04.000 So no one even fucking understood Muay Thai outside of Thailand back then. 0.93

01:09:08.000 I mean, there was a few guys, but most people did not know what Muay Thai was about. 0.79

01:09:14.000 So this is when I first found out about Muay Thai.

01:09:18.000 And I had heard about this fight, because I was a giant fan of Rick Rufus, and this was on PKA Karate, it was on ESPN. And I started training, and I started training with guys who were going over to Thailand and fighting.

01:09:32.000 There was this one dude that I knew who went over there for months and months at a time.

01:09:38.000 And this is in 88... 0.91

01:09:42.000 88 or 89, this guy was going over to Thailand and training and coming back with all these stories and fucking cuts all over his forehead from the elbows. 0.92

01:09:53.000 But it was very eye-opening.

01:09:57.000 The elbows were very eye-opening because I hadn't really thought about that as an in-tight weapon that would work alongside with boxing.

01:10:08.000 And then the leg kicks.

01:10:10.000 I remember being stunned at how effective leg kicks are.

01:10:13.000 It's so amazing.

01:10:16.000 Watching that fight, it's like, wow!

01:10:18.000 And I remember being a little kid, and I obviously grew up doing martial arts, and I remember a couple people, even when I was just starting doing taekwondo and karate, people being like, you should do Muay Thai.

01:10:28.000 But even then, I remember, you know, as a kid, I was born in 84, so I was four when Rick was getting his ass handed, leg kicks like that. 0.61

01:10:38.000 That's crazy. 0.85

01:10:39.000 But even when I was a kid, people were like, no, you should do Muay Thai.

01:10:42.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:10:42.000 It was like dangerous.

01:10:44.000 I was 21. I'm so old.

01:10:47.000 It's wild.

01:10:48.000 It's wild thinking back to those days because I was at a time where martial arts had started to kind of...

01:10:57.000 That was the first time striking styles merged, where you saw the above-the-waist kickboxing, which is what most of the people did in America, and then Muay Thai.

01:11:07.000 Muay Thai was so much more effective.

01:11:09.000 But if you had those above-the-waist style kicks and...

01:11:13.000 And you can kick the legs?

01:11:14.000 Oh my god.

01:11:15.000 No one knew what to do with front-leg sidekicks.

01:11:17.000 I remember that when I was kickboxing.

01:11:19.000 I was like, no one know what to do with that.

01:11:20.000 It was weird.

01:11:21.000 You would stand sideways and they didn't know how to handle that.

01:11:23.000 Yeah, you can't get in.

01:11:24.000 If you were really good at it.

01:11:25.000 There was this guy, Larry Jones, that I used to train with.

01:11:27.000 Larry was six foot two and he was all legs.

01:11:30.000 It was crazy.

01:11:31.000 His legs went up to here.

01:11:32.000 I never saw anybody felt like him.

01:11:33.000 He had the torso of a five foot man.

01:11:36.000 And he had these legs that were incredible.

01:11:39.000 Incredible dexterity. 0.97

01:11:40.000 And he would sidekick the fuck out of everybody. 0.95

01:11:43.000 And you just couldn't get close to him. 0.99

01:11:45.000 You'd try to move forward and he went, foop, foop.

01:11:47.000 You could have the best hands in the world.

01:11:49.000 A lot of those point fighter guys, like there's a guy named Mafia Holloway.

01:11:53.000 Do you know who he is?

01:11:54.000 He was a guy, he was the first guy. 0.99

01:11:56.000 I fought a couple of those point tournaments just to fuck around. 0.97

01:11:59.000 I wasn't a point fighting guy, but I would do it every now and then. 0.98

01:12:01.000 And I fought him in a point fighting tournament.

01:12:04.000 I remember being so baffled.

01:12:06.000 Like, what to do, because I was used to continuous.

01:12:09.000 The tag where no fights were continuous.

01:12:11.000 And he would just swap, tap me, and I was like, oh, wow.

01:12:14.000 I was like, this is something I need to learn how to do.

01:12:16.000 And I remember thinking, that, when MMA started emerging, I was like, that is an unseen skill.

01:12:23.000 The ability to point fight.

01:12:24.000 And then Venom Page came and showed everybody.

01:12:26.000 Venom Page was the first guy that was like a really good point fighter that made his way into MMA. Wonder Boy as well.

01:12:34.000 Wonder Boy as well.

01:12:34.000 But Wonder Boy was a kickboxer.

01:12:36.000 Wonderboy did a lot of, you know, above-the-waist kickboxing, and he was fucking phenomenal at that. 0.93

01:12:41.000 His record's like crazy. 0.92

01:12:42.000 57-0 or something crazy like that.

01:12:45.000 I mean, Wonderboy is, like, that fight with Kevin Holland, that let everybody know, like, you just want to stand up with Wonderboy.

01:12:52.000 You're in trouble.

01:12:53.000 No threat of the takedown at all.

01:12:54.000 Wonderboy is a bad man.

01:12:56.000 He's, yeah. 0.99

01:12:57.000 He's a bad man.

01:12:58.000 He's just, and he...

01:13:00.000 He's just gonna have fun.

01:13:01.000 Yeah.

01:13:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:02.000 Even if you hurt him, it's like, don't forget this dude came from, he's been hurt before on the feet.

01:13:06.000 Oh, he knows how to handle it.

01:13:07.000 As long as you're not gonna follow it up with a whole bunch of wrestling and stifle him, he's stand and do that all day long.

01:13:13.000 And his ego is so healthy.

01:13:15.000 He's such a nice guy.

01:13:17.000 He's the nicest guy.

01:13:18.000 It's almost like he's congratulating you for hitting him.

01:13:20.000 Yeah.

01:13:20.000 Like, good job.

01:13:22.000 Got past my defenses there, buddy.

01:13:24.000 Good job. 1.00

01:13:24.000 Well, he does some wild shit, too. 1.00

01:13:26.000 Like, he sneaks that round kick over the shoulder onto the face. 0.99

01:13:29.000 I think that's the kick that made him, I mean, that knockout that he has.

01:13:34.000 First UFC fight.

01:13:35.000 Is that what it was?

01:13:36.000 Yeah.

01:13:36.000 And he just kind of throws it.

01:13:37.000 Yeah.

01:13:38.000 Well, I remember Firas Ahabi saying that he was the best striker they'd ever seen.

01:13:42.000 They brought him in to train with George St. Pierre.

01:13:44.000 And this is when Wonderboy was in his 20s. 1.00

01:13:47.000 Wonderboy was a motherfucker. 1.00

01:13:48.000 I saw him fight live. 1.00

01:13:50.000 Can I get some of his calls?

01:13:50.000 Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

01:13:52.000 Push that down.

01:13:53.000 I saw Wonderboy fight live at Chuck Norris' event.

01:13:57.000 Remember Chuck Norris?

01:13:58.000 Yes!

01:13:59.000 Dude, I used to watch that because that was in the prime of I'm still doing Taekwondo and doing all that.

01:14:05.000 And I'm like, that's what I want to do.

01:14:07.000 Because it was kickboxing.

01:14:09.000 What was that called?

01:14:11.000 I think it was World Combat League.

01:14:13.000 I think you're right.

01:14:13.000 I think that's what he called it.

01:14:14.000 But I went to see it.

01:14:16.000 I believe it was in Atlantic City.

01:14:18.000 And it was the first time I met Chuck Norris.

01:14:21.000 I was like, oh my god, it's Chuck Norris.

01:14:23.000 I couldn't believe I was meeting Chuck Norris.

01:14:25.000 And he knew who I was.

01:14:26.000 I was like, oh my god.

01:14:28.000 I could die now.

01:14:29.000 Chuck Norris.

01:14:29.000 It's like, Chuck Norris knows my name.

01:14:31.000 He came and gave me a hug. 0.99

01:14:32.000 I was like, holy shit, Chuck Norris gave me a hug. 0.99

01:14:35.000 But this is Wonderboy when he was in his fucking prime, man. 0.98

01:14:38.000 And so there was, what we're looking at is, for people that are just listening, there's a round platform and it bevels up on the sides slightly. 0.97

01:14:48.000 So instead of having a barrier, there's like an area, the red area, like a yellow area, the danger track, and then the red where it goes, it slants up.

01:14:59.000 And so you know to move around it, which I think was a brilliant idea.

01:15:04.000 And I want to say that I want to say Frank Shamrock was like one of the first guys to use something similar to that in MMA. He had an organization that he was doing for a while.

01:15:16.000 Yeah.

01:15:16.000 Well, dude, it goes back.

01:15:18.000 Even think of Bloodsport, right?

01:15:21.000 At the final match.

01:15:22.000 Right.

01:15:23.000 They turn up...

01:15:24.000 The canvas, so that they're forced to the middle.

01:15:27.000 I mean, that's basically the concept.

01:15:29.000 It's a good concept.

01:15:30.000 I like the concept.

01:15:31.000 The concept of having, like, a curved surface.

01:15:35.000 But the problem with MMA guys is you can't have that, because guys will drive people over the side and slam.

01:15:40.000 You'll be running into that guy with the camera right there.

01:15:43.000 See, there he caught him with that same kick.

01:15:45.000 Over the shoulder.

01:15:46.000 He was so good at sneaking that front round kick over the shoulder and like catching you on the chin.

01:15:53.000 That guy doesn't have any idea what hit him.

01:15:55.000 No, he has no idea.

01:15:56.000 Doc Hamilton, that referee, he was one of the first guys to develop an alternative scoring system.

01:16:02.000 He had an alternative scoring system to the MMA scoring system.

01:16:05.000 We still have this 10-point must system that I think is very ineffective.

01:16:10.000 Not ineffective, but not comprehensive enough for all the skills.

01:16:16.000 With boxing, the 10-point system is great for boxing.

01:16:20.000 You're just using hands.

01:16:21.000 You can see who won 10-9 this guy.

01:16:23.000 But once you start using takedowns and kicks...

01:16:26.000 That's where it gets so complicated, man.

01:16:28.000 There's too many things.

01:16:29.000 Too many things.

01:16:30.000 Because what do we end up arguing about?

01:16:32.000 Or people in general about the fights?

01:16:34.000 Well, he got the takedown and the control and landed X, Y, and Z. Yeah, but he threw up three submission attempts from his back.

01:16:41.000 Or he got taken down three times, but the other guy got up three times.

01:16:45.000 So it's like...

01:16:46.000 Right.

01:16:46.000 It's so freaking hard to score.

01:16:49.000 Yeah, and it's very subjective.

01:16:51.000 It's very subjective.

01:16:52.000 And I understand guys will tell you, no, no, we count this, we count that.

01:16:55.000 I understand how you're scoring it.

01:16:57.000 How you're supposed to score it.

01:16:59.000 But I still don't think that that's comprehensive enough.

01:17:02.000 I don't think we should have a 10-point system.

01:17:04.000 I think it should be almost like the amount of strikes landed plus the amount of hard strikes landed plus takedown attempts. 0.95

01:17:14.000 It should take five minutes to fucking score each round. 0.94

01:17:18.000 It should take time. 0.99

01:17:18.000 It should almost be looked at in segments, right? 0.99

01:17:20.000 Okay, who won the striking?

01:17:22.000 So-and-so.

01:17:23.000 Who won this?

01:17:24.000 And then you evaluate, well, maybe that was even.

01:17:26.000 And that's the idea, right?

01:17:28.000 That's what the judges are now supposed to be trying to do is view it where they start with the striking.

01:17:36.000 But that's the problem.

01:17:38.000 If you win the striking, you win the round.

01:17:41.000 Right.

01:17:42.000 Based on...

01:17:43.000 But takedowns.

01:17:44.000 Some people score takedowns very heavily.

01:17:47.000 So takedowns and control above all...

01:17:49.000 And it's not supposed to be that way.

01:17:50.000 It's supposed to be just a change in position if you don't do anything with it.

01:17:53.000 So if you get a...

01:17:54.000 Let's say I take you down and I don't throw any strikes.

01:17:59.000 But somebody from their back...

01:18:00.000 Yeah, and someone's throwing up some mission attempts.

01:18:02.000 I'm just glad that I don't have to do it.

01:18:03.000 To be completely fair, I would not do well.

01:18:07.000 And everybody's like, you guys should be doing the judges.

01:18:10.000 Former fighters.

01:18:11.000 I'm like, yeah, no way.

01:18:13.000 I already get enough criticism.

01:18:15.000 I certainly don't want to be the guy that's then judging these things.

01:18:18.000 We get enough trouble when we say who we think won in a fight.

01:18:20.000 But I think at least it would be coming from a place of knowledge.

01:18:23.000 It could be subjective and it could be argued and debated, but at least no one can say you don't know what you're talking about.

01:18:29.000 Whereas there are problems with judges.

01:18:32.000 They're not martial artists at all.

01:18:33.000 Which is crazy.

01:18:34.000 Which is crazy.

01:18:35.000 That's like me judging soccer. 0.99

01:18:38.000 How the fuck are you a martial arts judge and you're not even a martial artist? 0.99

01:18:42.000 It's like me watching a cricket match. 0.99

01:18:44.000 I remember there was a moment...

01:18:45.000 I would have no idea.

01:18:46.000 ...in the middle of a fight in the early days where someone was doing a Kimura and one of the judges asked someone else, what is he doing?

01:18:56.000 And I was like, this is so crazy.

01:18:58.000 That judge just asked, what is he doing?

01:19:01.000 And this person is responsible for the trajectory of someone's career.

01:19:06.000 Like this person has dedicated their entire life to this moment.

01:19:09.000 What's a Kimura? 1.00

01:19:10.000 What's a fucking thing? 1.00

01:19:11.000 You go like this. 1.00

01:19:12.000 I mean, imagine if you heard that, if you got a guy in a Kimura and you're stepping your leg over the head and you're trying to finish it.

01:19:20.000 What's he doing?

01:19:21.000 What is he doing?

01:19:22.000 What are you doing?

01:19:24.000 You are watching.

01:19:25.000 Why are you here?

01:19:26.000 Mixed martial arts.

01:19:26.000 How'd you get that spot?

01:19:29.000 They don't know.

01:19:30.000 There's parts of it that are kind of Bush League still. 0.81

01:19:34.000 And I just don't think we should have that scoring system.

01:19:37.000 I think someone should sit down and develop a...

01:19:41.000 And that's what Doc Hamilton tried to do.

01:19:43.000 He tried to develop...

01:19:44.000 I believe Doc called it a half-point system.

01:19:47.000 And he and I talked about it.

01:19:49.000 We had a conversation.

01:19:50.000 He explained it to me.

01:19:50.000 And I said, that definitely sounds better than what we're doing.

01:19:53.000 Yeah.

01:19:54.000 But, you know...

01:19:55.000 Something.

01:19:56.000 Something, anything.

01:19:57.000 I also think they should be fighting on a football field.

01:19:59.000 I know.

01:20:00.000 You still want that fantasy of... 1.00

01:20:02.000 Fuck that cage. 1.00

01:20:03.000 Fuck that cage. 1.00

01:20:04.000 The cage just gets in the way. 1.00

01:20:05.000 And it also...

01:20:06.000 Now guys know how to fight in the cage.

01:20:08.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:09.000 Completely.

01:20:10.000 They know how to use it.

01:20:11.000 They know how to put their back against the cage to get back up.

01:20:13.000 Like, if the UFC suddenly threw ropes out there, people would be like, what?

01:20:17.000 Right.

01:20:17.000 What the?

01:20:18.000 I don't know how to fight anymore because you're so used to takedowns on the fence.

01:20:22.000 Well, if you go to Pride, ropes are not the way either because guys would get caught up in the ropes and push back in.

01:20:29.000 They're dragging them back.

01:20:29.000 I'm like, this isn't good either.

01:20:31.000 That's not good either.

01:20:32.000 I think not even a platform, just like a flat surface.

01:20:37.000 Like a basketball court.

01:20:38.000 Yes!

01:20:39.000 If you can play basketball in a court, why can't you have an MMA fight in a court?

01:20:43.000 No mats?

01:20:43.000 Or you like the idea of having mats?

01:20:45.000 Oh, you have to have mats.

01:20:45.000 Because then you're just going to break bones.

01:20:46.000 Yeah, you break bones.

01:20:47.000 And also head kicks.

01:20:48.000 When guys go down, their head bounces off.

01:20:51.000 Yeah.

01:20:52.000 Yeah.

01:20:52.000 I fought on a lot of basketball courts in the Taekwondo days.

01:20:56.000 Yes!

01:20:56.000 Yeah, me too!

01:20:57.000 The point where you'd made guys wear pads just in the back of their head.

01:21:01.000 Just because if you got head kicked.

01:21:03.000 Yeah, the bounce.

01:21:05.000 That's one of the scariest things is the bounce.

01:21:07.000 Is this the multiple people fighting?

01:21:09.000 No, not quite.

01:21:10.000 Oh, is this basketball?

01:21:11.000 MMA and 3.3 basketball.

01:21:13.000 I did see that one.

01:21:14.000 Oh my god, and the guy slipped.

01:21:15.000 Oh my god, so they're barefoot and they broke the glass.

01:21:17.000 Leave it to Russia. 0.97

01:21:19.000 Russia will have fat men fighting fit women. 0.94

01:21:22.000 They'll have two-on-one.

01:21:23.000 Car fighting jiu-jitsu?

01:21:23.000 Yes!

01:21:24.000 Car jiu-jitsu?

01:21:25.000 Did you see that?

01:21:26.000 They have car MMA too. 0.78

01:21:28.000 Russia's so crazy. 1.00

01:21:29.000 They're so crazy with the shit they invent. 1.00

01:21:31.000 This, I mean, Habib basically made this up. 1.00

01:21:33.000 Yeah.

01:21:34.000 But look at this guy.

01:21:35.000 Why would you do that, bro?

01:21:37.000 That shatters it.

01:21:37.000 Because he's being funny.

01:21:40.000 That's so dumb. 1.00

01:21:40.000 And there's no way that's 10 feet. 1.00

01:21:42.000 No, definitely not.

01:21:43.000 Right?

01:21:43.000 No.

01:21:44.000 No, of course not.

01:21:45.000 No, that's not a real...

01:21:46.000 So now the guy gets the ball and the other guy takes him down.

01:21:49.000 Are they allowed to hit him?

01:21:51.000 Doesn't seem like they're hitting each other.

01:21:53.000 To be honest with you, I don't know if there's many rules to this, but...

01:21:55.000 But it's in a cage and they're playing basketball. 0.99

01:21:57.000 This is dumb. 0.98

01:21:59.000 They taped the glass back together. 0.99

01:22:03.000 So they're scoring points, but it's just in an octagon.

01:22:06.000 And I have seen the thing that Khabib and his friends do.

01:22:09.000 That's become almost a...

01:22:10.000 I don't know if it's a real sport, but I've seen organized versions of it now.

01:22:14.000 Well, it looks fun when you watch Khabib and his buddies training.

01:22:17.000 They just don't dribble, right?

01:22:18.000 Yeah, they're just running and holding on to the ball.

01:22:20.000 It's like, guys...

01:22:23.000 The whole point of the sport is it's difficult because you've got to dribble the ball.

01:22:27.000 Like, NBA's already pushing the boundaries on traveling and walking and all that. 0.99

01:22:31.000 But they take each other down on the fucking hardwood floor. 0.98

01:22:36.000 Rug ball, they're calling it. 0.99

01:22:38.000 Oh, so this is a different version of it.

01:22:40.000 Oh my god.

01:22:42.000 Brutal.

01:22:43.000 Brutal.

01:22:45.000 Make it.

01:22:45.000 Oh!

01:22:46.000 It's got a good shot.

01:22:46.000 Not a bad shot.

01:22:48.000 Rugball's a mix of basketball and wrestling.

01:22:50.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:22:51.000 And where?

01:22:52.000 Created in where?

01:22:53.000 Russia.

01:22:54.000 Russia. 0.86

01:22:54.000 Animals. 0.86

01:22:56.000 There's some tough-ass fucking people if you think right now about the amount of top-flight talent that comes from Eastern Europe and Russia and Dagestan Chechnya, you know, I mean fucking a man They're they're all just waiting to take all the titles at this point too. 0.99

01:23:15.000 I mean even in boxing Did you see the better beef fight? 0.99

01:23:18.000 No. 0.98

01:23:18.000 Oh my god Better Biev is so fucking tough. 0.98

01:23:23.000 19-0, 19 knockouts. 1.00

01:23:27.000 I mean, what the fuck, man? 0.99

01:23:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:23:31.000 They're definitely a step ahead in terms of combat sports, whatever it is, whether it's boxing, wrestling, MMA. They've got...

01:23:42.000 Is this the guy?

01:23:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:23:44.000 I mean, he's such a fucking animal. 1.00

01:23:45.000 He's from Chechnya. 1.00

01:23:46.000 And he's 38 years old so it's like he's got to get like the big fight. 0.94

01:23:51.000 He was one of the guys that they were talking about Canelo fighting at light heavyweight and I would have loved to see that because I think his mauling style because he just fucking comes forward and he forces firefights.

01:24:07.000 It's very different than most world champions in that like he gets in slugfest and he gets hit and But he's super skillful.

01:24:14.000 He lost to Usyk in the Olympics.

01:24:17.000 Maybe it was the Olympics?

01:24:18.000 It was certainly in the amateurs.

01:24:20.000 But, you know, top flight amateur and a destroyer as a professional.

01:24:25.000 19-0.

01:24:26.000 And Yard, man, credit to Yard, because Anthony Yard is a bad man. 0.99

01:24:30.000 And he's a fucking tough dude. 0.99

01:24:32.000 He took some horrible shots. 0.99

01:24:35.000 In this fight.

01:24:36.000 But Better Biev just never stops.

01:24:38.000 Just constantly coming forward. 0.99

01:24:40.000 And his technique is fucking flawless. 0.98

01:24:42.000 I would have loved to see him versus Canelo. 0.97

01:24:46.000 Yeah, because they're both in that.

01:24:47.000 I mean, Canelo's another one that's just right in there.

01:24:49.000 But Better Biev is so much bigger.

01:24:52.000 He's a big guy, man.

01:24:53.000 Canelo is, you know...

01:24:54.000 Started his career.

01:24:55.000 I mean, fought Floyd at 152, fought at 154. I mean, he's certainly a legit 160 and 168. He's great at it.

01:25:05.000 But this dude is a legit 75. It's a different world.

01:25:09.000 And better be of 19-0 with 19 knockouts.

01:25:13.000 So he's going to fight Dmitry Bival next, supposedly, hopefully.

01:25:17.000 And that's really interesting.

01:25:19.000 But again, Bival, Russian.

01:25:21.000 This guy, Chechnyan. 1.00

01:25:23.000 That fucking world over there, dude. 1.00

01:25:25.000 Hard people. 1.00

01:25:27.000 Grow up different, man.

01:25:28.000 They're not growing up with...

01:25:30.000 Tons of money.

01:25:31.000 These guys are living on cliffs in the middle of rock villages where they're kicking stones in each other for fun.

01:25:39.000 It's true.

01:25:40.000 That's going to breed. 0.98

01:25:42.000 Then you take them and it's like, hey, you can do that.

01:25:45.000 You can kick that rock around or you can come into this gym and learn how to fight.

01:25:49.000 That sounds a lot more...

01:25:50.000 You can play basketball where you tackle each other.

01:25:53.000 Sign me up for that.

01:25:54.000 I'd have been good at that sport.

01:25:55.000 Just not the dribbling part.

01:25:58.000 Well, you think of, like, war-torn Chechnya.

01:26:01.000 I mean, that's where Hamzak Chmaev comes from.

01:26:04.000 That's where Beterbiev comes from.

01:26:05.000 I mean, it's just...

01:26:07.000 It's an escape to be able to go and box and fight and do MMA. And now he's living in Sweden and stuff like that.

01:26:13.000 Oh, man.

01:26:14.000 I know, right? 0.96

01:26:14.000 Gets to talk trash and be cool. 0.96

01:26:17.000 Like... 0.90

01:26:18.000 Being around nice people.

01:26:19.000 Yeah.

01:26:20.000 Nobody's trying to kill me right now.

01:26:22.000 Yeah, that...

01:26:23.000 I mean, you think about some of our greatest fighters in America grow up in poor neighborhoods.

01:26:28.000 These guys grow up in war-torn poor neighborhoods.

01:26:31.000 Even levels to that, right?

01:26:33.000 Yeah, levels to that.

01:26:33.000 Our best guys, yeah, you come from rough neighborhoods.

01:26:37.000 I grew up in a rough neighborhood, but I didn't grow up in Chechnya.

01:26:40.000 Right.

01:26:40.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:41.000 South Philly is...

01:26:43.000 Think about, like, what you've got now with, like, Nurmagomedov, he steps down, but then you have Umar.

01:26:50.000 Umar Nurmagomedov.

01:26:51.000 He looks great, man. 0.99

01:26:52.000 Fucking phenomenal. 0.97

01:26:53.000 Completely different style. 0.99

01:26:54.000 Yep.

01:26:54.000 Like, evil striker.

01:26:55.000 Just accidentally knocked out a guy now, too.

01:26:57.000 Oh, my God. 0.91

01:26:58.000 Sick.

01:26:58.000 And then he felt bad about it.

01:27:00.000 He was, like, holding his head.

01:27:01.000 I'm like, well...

01:27:01.000 Such a good guy, right?

01:27:02.000 It's awesome to see, but...

01:27:03.000 Chaos him, and then after a follow-up shot, I was like, oh, you're out. 0.98

01:27:06.000 Oh, shit, sorry about it. 0.99

01:27:07.000 I didn't know you were sleeping. 1.00

01:27:10.000 And then you have Islam, who, I mean, how the fuck does that guy make 155? 1.00

01:27:15.000 When you stand next to him, he's so big. 0.99

01:27:17.000 He looks like he's 200 plus pounds.

01:27:19.000 Yeah.

01:27:20.000 He was knocking on my door when I was fighting for the longest time, too.

01:27:24.000 And I was like, these guys are all coming, man.

01:27:26.000 Yeah, they're all coming.

01:27:27.000 They're all coming.

01:27:29.000 Rachmaninoff at 170. Oh, Shavkot. 1.00

01:27:32.000 Shavkot's a... 0.91

01:27:32.000 And he's fighting... 0.91

01:27:34.000 Jeff Neal.

01:27:35.000 Jeff Neal, which is very interesting.

01:27:37.000 That's a good fight.

01:27:39.000 I hope they stand.

01:27:40.000 Because that's...

01:27:41.000 I mean, if you let Jeff Neal have fun on the feet, that guy can kickbox, man.

01:27:45.000 Oh, he's so accurate.

01:27:47.000 He's so accurate.

01:27:48.000 That Mike Perry fight.

01:27:50.000 Woo! 0.99

01:27:51.000 That high kick, that left high kick. 0.99

01:27:53.000 Mike Perry's a maniac. 1.00

01:27:54.000 He is a maniac. 0.99

01:27:55.000 Do you know he's the backup for Jake Cohen? 0.99

01:27:57.000 Yeah, I saw that.

01:28:00.000 Good for you, Mike Perry.

01:28:01.000 Yeah, good for him.

01:28:02.000 Here's Shafkot. 0.98

01:28:03.000 He can do it all, man.

01:28:04.000 He can do it all.

01:28:05.000 Such a good grappler and elite striker.

01:28:08.000 Throws a lot of spinning kicks.

01:28:09.000 I called a couple of his early fights, and even then, it was like, this guy's going to be contending for the belt.

01:28:16.000 The thing about Shavka is he's not getting the shine that he deserves.

01:28:19.000 I don't think people understand how good he is right now in terms of his overall popularity.

01:28:25.000 That's the problem with a lot of these guys.

01:28:27.000 That's why they get slow played the way they do.

01:28:29.000 It's not talent.

01:28:30.000 These guys are the future of the UFC, no doubt about it.

01:28:34.000 But...

01:28:35.000 You've got to realize that the UFC's, I mean, they're trying to promote things, right?

01:28:38.000 It's hard to promote when a guy's just stoic like that.

01:28:41.000 And it's like, listen, I'm not telling you to change anything, but you can see why.

01:28:45.000 You can see both sides.

01:28:46.000 I'm like, okay.

01:28:47.000 Once they get to be a champion, though, then it's okay.

01:28:49.000 Yeah, because it's just like, good luck.

01:28:51.000 Khabib.

01:28:51.000 Yeah.

01:28:52.000 Good luck trying to beat this guy.

01:28:53.000 Now the story is, who the hell is going to beat this guy?

01:28:56.000 To this day, one of my favorite moments at a weigh-in is Khabib before the Conor fight, where he says to the audience, I'm gonna smash your boy!

01:29:07.000 And he did.

01:29:08.000 And he did. 0.95

01:29:09.000 But it was just, that was like Khabib trash talking, which you never heard. 1.00

01:29:13.000 You never heard. 0.91

01:29:15.000 But Conor brought it out of him.

01:29:16.000 And that's all he needed.

01:29:17.000 A little bit. 0.99

01:29:19.000 Alhamdulillah, I'm gonna smash your boy. 1.00

01:29:22.000 And all the Irish people were like, no! 1.00

01:29:24.000 No!

01:29:25.000 No!

01:29:27.000 Yeah, there's not enough proper 12 in the world to stop that dude from smashing you.

01:29:33.000 Yeah.

01:29:34.000 It's such an exciting time in terms of the possibilities and the matchups.

01:29:39.000 I was very surprised that they decided to do Islam Makachev versus Volkanovski.

01:29:44.000 Right away, too.

01:29:45.000 Right away.

01:29:46.000 Yeah.

01:29:46.000 Very surprised.

01:29:47.000 To the point where Volk is...

01:29:50.000 Facing off with him that night.

01:29:52.000 Yeah.

01:29:52.000 I mean...

01:29:53.000 Yeah, that's a big fight, though.

01:29:54.000 We're going to do a fight companion for that.

01:29:56.000 So that's on the 11th.

01:29:58.000 What else is on the card?

01:29:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:01.000 Josh Emmett.

01:30:01.000 Woo!

01:30:02.000 Jack Della Maddalena, that kid... 1.00

01:30:05.000 That kid can fucking crack. 1.00

01:30:06.000 ...is unbelievable, bro. 1.00

01:30:07.000 He's good.

01:30:08.000 And by the way, rude boy Randy Brown is a test, too.

01:30:10.000 That's great.

01:30:11.000 That's a great fight.

01:30:11.000 Yeah.

01:30:12.000 That's a great fight.

01:30:12.000 Randy Brown is long and tall and very, very talented.

01:30:16.000 That's a true...

01:30:18.000 He's got a true test on his hands now.

01:30:20.000 I like that fight a lot.

01:30:22.000 And that's good for Randy, too, because especially going down there. 0.99

01:30:25.000 If he goes down there and he beats Jack, shit, man. 0.99

01:30:29.000 Then he can be like, alright, next fight I want something. 1.00

01:30:31.000 I want something big at home.

01:30:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:34.000 Yeah.

01:30:34.000 But you almost have to do that in UFC. These young guys gotta realize that sometimes.

01:30:38.000 Like...

01:30:39.000 You want X, Y, and Z. You want the big fights.

01:30:42.000 You want these matchups.

01:30:43.000 Sometimes you gotta suck it up and say, alright, who do you gotta give me?

01:30:46.000 Where do I gotta go?

01:30:47.000 Because...

01:30:49.000 It's not always gonna be sunshine and rainbows.

01:30:51.000 Sometimes you gotta go fight in Brazil against the Brazilians. 0.96

01:30:53.000 Sometimes you'll have to go down to New Zealand or go over...

01:30:56.000 I remember fighting all over the place. 0.89

01:30:58.000 I didn't give a shit as long as it was gonna put me in a position to move up the rankings and get more money as well.

01:31:06.000 If you went to fight in Brazil, how much time would you give yourself to adapt? 0.96

01:31:10.000 Well, I would do it all different than what I did when I did do it.

01:31:15.000 Because I only went...

01:31:16.000 I think I went down like it left on like a Tuesday to fight on a Saturday.

01:31:21.000 Oh no.

01:31:22.000 And it was not good.

01:31:25.000 It's so hard just to adapt to the jet lag.

01:31:28.000 Yeah, I was a mess for that one.

01:31:30.000 I was a mess for...

01:31:31.000 When I fought Edson the second time in Abu Dhabi, I left on Monday.

01:31:39.000 To go fight on Saturday night, and I don't think I slept more than three hours every night, and I had the worst weight cut of my life because of it.

01:31:46.000 I remember calling my mom after I had made weight, and I don't remember much of that conversation with my mom.

01:31:54.000 That's when she was like, I want you to seriously consider not doing this anymore.

01:31:59.000 Oh my god.

01:32:00.000 Imagine that's your boy.

01:32:01.000 You're talking to your son.

01:32:02.000 Your son's about to fight in a cage fight and he can barely talk.

01:32:05.000 Yeah.

01:32:05.000 Because he's cutting weight.

01:32:07.000 There's a couple of those situations with the weight cuts, man.

01:32:09.000 The five-day notice fight with RDA was...

01:32:15.000 I remember calling Christine, who's, you know, we're married now, but at the time we were, I don't even think we were engaged.

01:32:21.000 And I remember making her, can you go in the fridge and get a can of Coke and pour it over ice for me?

01:32:29.000 Just to watch it.

01:32:31.000 That's how thirsty I was.

01:32:33.000 I wanted to watch her.

01:32:35.000 Pour a can of coke.

01:32:36.000 Now granted, this is like 12.30 in Vegas.

01:32:40.000 So it's like 3 in the morning back home.

01:32:42.000 I wake her up to pour soda over ice for me. 1.00

01:32:46.000 What kind of fucking maniac am I getting involved with? 0.99

01:32:50.000 I found ASMR videos of people drinking sodas. 1.00

01:32:54.000 You could probably pull that up.

01:32:56.000 Chugging ice-cold sodas.

01:32:57.000 So they have the microphone right on their throat.

01:33:00.000 So you can hear them gulping these ice-cold sodas.

01:33:04.000 Now you gotta realize, I cut like 18 pounds or something crazy, and I'm dry heaving in the bathtub and just watching all night.

01:33:11.000 Because Butler, my manager, for a while, they're making sure I was like, is this...

01:33:16.000 Yep.

01:33:17.000 This video has 10 million views.

01:33:19.000 It's 10 million views.

01:33:20.000 Oh, dude, so you can imagine.

01:33:22.000 You're thirsty.

01:33:23.000 You're so thirsty.

01:33:25.000 I just want to be this guy.

01:33:27.000 Oh, he's going to drink it out of the bowl.

01:33:30.000 He's pouring Fanta into a bowl filled with ice.

01:33:36.000 It just sounds...

01:33:37.000 He's gonna chug it.

01:33:39.000 He's gonna slurp it all down.

01:33:40.000 Is that blueberry Fanta?

01:33:41.000 I don't know, but I'm...

01:33:42.000 I didn't even know there was a blueberry Fanta.

01:33:44.000 Blue raspberry?

01:33:45.000 Oh, wow.

01:33:47.000 He's gonna slurp it?

01:33:49.000 How weird is that, that that's a thing?

01:33:51.000 That people love ASMR? I didn't know, and I still don't watch any ASMR, but at the time, I couldn't stop watching it.

01:34:03.000 I didn't sleep one hour the night that I... So Friday, or no, Thursday into Friday...

01:34:12.000 We did the whole weight cut.

01:34:13.000 I still had like a pound that I was hoping to float, which I did end up doing.

01:34:17.000 But the whole night, I was 156 and a half or whatever I was, and the whole entire night, I had a severe headache.

01:34:25.000 I was dry heaving and watching.

01:34:27.000 Stuff like that.

01:34:28.000 Isn't it so insane that fighters will literally get to death's door 24 hours.

01:34:35.000 The day before you fight.

01:34:36.000 Crazy.

01:34:37.000 25 minutes!

01:34:38.000 If there's a thing that I could take away from fighting to eliminate, that would be the thing.

01:34:43.000 Because I feel like it's sanctioned cheating.

01:34:45.000 I feel like that's what it is.

01:34:47.000 It's 100%.

01:34:47.000 I mean, it's what you're doing.

01:34:50.000 It's 100%.

01:34:51.000 You know that you have to weigh 155. I mean, I would walk into the cage 182 pounds.

01:34:57.000 That's so nuts.

01:34:58.000 So nuts.

01:35:00.000 But you pay a price for that.

01:35:02.000 Yeah, and if out of all the things that you've done, that's the one thing that you think you would do differently?

01:35:07.000 Oh man, and the reason that I keep talking, you know, I've thought about a comeback and we've kind of teased it and everybody, even the coaches around me, the reason they'd be interested is because we want to see what I'd be capable of being a healthy fit.

01:35:23.000 If I could mix now how I've learned to train my system with The triathlon training and having my triathlon coach, this guy David Tilbury Davis, who I work with, he's...

01:35:36.000 Super science on everything right breaking things down the mitochondria and how you got to do zone one work versus this if I could mix that in with my MMA training and start applying that to grappling and Sparring days because you start thinking about athletes the best athletes in the world and how they prepare And then how they go and fight we're so ass backwards and fighting it makes no fucking sense We're just beating the shit out of each other and then showing up and hoping for the best on fight

01:36:06.000 day.

01:36:08.000 You're seeing more of it now where people are being a little more scientific with their approach.

01:36:13.000 For me, I would go hard all the time.

01:36:17.000 Five five-minute rounds, then five five-minute rounds in the bag, then five five-minute rounds of jumping rope, go to bed, eat 200 calories, wake up, do it all over again.

01:36:27.000 And it's like, oh, no wonder by four weeks into training camp, I wanted to, you know, I didn't want to fight anymore.

01:36:34.000 Yeah.

01:36:35.000 It's like, well, now, you know.

01:36:36.000 What do you think you would try to weigh now to get down to 55?

01:36:41.000 Like right around where I'm at now, like 170-something.

01:36:44.000 I mean, I think I could easily be walking around, as I am now, all the time, well below 180 pounds.

01:36:51.000 Well, look at Frankie. 1.00

01:36:52.000 Frankie won the title.

01:36:54.000 Frankie was basically cutting no weight when he beat BJ Penn.

01:36:57.000 He was probably eating to even weigh 155 pounds back then.

01:37:00.000 I mean, look, he ends his career at 35, which is pretty wild.

01:37:04.000 You'd think that he was the champion at 55. And fighting guys like Ben Henderson, who was...

01:37:08.000 Gray Maynard.

01:37:09.000 Yeah, he was just solid, man.

01:37:12.000 Gray Maynard was a big fella.

01:37:13.000 He was big back then.

01:37:14.000 He was a big fella.

01:37:15.000 I mean, now, but even think now, like, compared to the lightweights now, he's not even that big.

01:37:20.000 No.

01:37:20.000 No, some of the light...

01:37:21.000 Imagine Makashat.

01:37:22.000 I mean...

01:37:24.000 Makachev is so big.

01:37:25.000 Who else is a massive lightweight? 1.00

01:37:26.000 And his fucking squeeze. 0.99

01:37:28.000 I mean, what is his squeeze like? 0.99

01:37:30.000 You see his back when he got that arm triangle on Charles.

01:37:35.000 Just the traps and all that.

01:37:37.000 When a guy like Charles...

01:37:40.000 Taps as fast as he did to that.

01:37:42.000 You know that guy's got just a gorilla grip. 0.57

01:37:44.000 Like, crazy.

01:37:45.000 His squeeze was evident in the Drew Dober fight, too. 0.68

01:37:48.000 Because Drew Dober, he's a gorilla, too.

01:37:50.000 And he's as tough as they come.

01:37:51.000 Look at some of these comeback fights that he's had recently.

01:37:54.000 That last fight.

01:37:55.000 Bobby Green. 0.99

01:37:55.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:37:57.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:37:58.000 He was styling on him. 0.99

01:38:01.000 You can't sleep on Drew for a second.

01:38:04.000 Nope.

01:38:05.000 Drew caught him.

01:38:06.000 That was one of the fights I always thought I was going to have.

01:38:08.000 And it never turned out. 1.00

01:38:09.000 His chin is like a fucking fire hydrant. 1.00

01:38:11.000 He's such a giga-chad. 1.00

01:38:13.000 The way he's built. 1.00

01:38:14.000 His fucking giant head. 1.00

01:38:16.000 He's the guy in college. 1.00

01:38:17.000 If we were in college together, I would have hated that dude.

01:38:19.000 I'm like, look at this pretty boy.

01:38:21.000 He's so handsome.

01:38:22.000 I hate him.

01:38:22.000 Got abs, strong, great hair.

01:38:25.000 Seems like a nice guy. 1.00

01:38:26.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:38:26.000 Yeah, right? 1.00

01:38:27.000 Got everything going for him. 1.00

01:38:28.000 He must be a piece of shit. 1.00

01:38:30.000 Well, I think he's, you know, I think that Makachev fight ignited something in him as well. 1.00

01:38:35.000 Yeah.

01:38:35.000 I think when you get the rub, when you fight someone who's that good and you realize, okay, everything I'm doing, I gotta ramp it up.

01:38:43.000 Sometimes people don't realize what those levels are, which is why being around elite fighters is so critical for a fighter's early day.

01:38:51.000 Because you mirror the people that you're training with.

01:38:54.000 If you were in a gym filled with elite assassins, you are forced to be at that level.

01:39:00.000 Or you go home and you don't come back.

01:39:02.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:03.000 You just stop.

01:39:03.000 But if you keep showing up...

01:39:05.000 Balal's depiction of what it was like to train with Khabib and be in that camp with them and what those guys do. 0.89

01:39:12.000 They're crazy.

01:39:14.000 But that's why they're so good.

01:39:15.000 He'd be like, we'd get done these, you know, he told you, these epic sessions and then Khabib would be like, all right.

01:39:19.000 And then he takes him for another like 25 minutes just grinding on him after the fact.

01:39:24.000 He was like the warm-up sometimes.

01:39:27.000 He's like, we got to work out.

01:39:29.000 That's not the workout?

01:39:31.000 Yeah.

01:39:31.000 They're doing burnout push-ups and stuff at the end, too, squats and planks.

01:39:36.000 Yeah.

01:39:37.000 But that's what it takes.

01:39:38.000 It was interesting talking to...

01:39:40.000 We talked to Dan Ige...

01:39:41.000 Before his last fight.

01:39:44.000 And he...

01:39:45.000 He loves strength and conditioning, right?

01:39:49.000 And I did too when I was a fighter.

01:39:51.000 And he felt very conflicted.

01:39:52.000 Because you've got a guy like Habib who's telling him...

01:39:54.000 You don't need that stuff.

01:39:57.000 You need to just do what he's doing.

01:39:59.000 But what Dan realized...

01:40:00.000 And I think if you saw his last fight...

01:40:01.000 Something clicked in him.

01:40:02.000 I think he's starting to trust himself...

01:40:05.000 You can't always just emulate just because somebody's the greatest ever.

01:40:09.000 What works for Habib is not necessarily going to always work for you.

01:40:14.000 And he was like, I needed to do strength and conditioning.

01:40:16.000 I needed to do this stuff.

01:40:17.000 Because he was trying to just do what other people were telling him to do for the longest time.

01:40:21.000 And he was kind of falling short.

01:40:23.000 Well, George came to that conclusion, too.

01:40:25.000 George St. Pierre came to that conclusion.

01:40:26.000 He decided at some point in time that strength and conditioning wasn't important.

01:40:29.000 And what was really important was efficiency.

01:40:33.000 And just technical proficiency, strategy, and efficiency in movements.

01:40:39.000 And his martial arts movements.

01:40:40.000 But obviously, you're talking about a guy like George, who's already an Adonis.

01:40:45.000 He's already very strong.

01:40:46.000 So he had this physical strength already.

01:40:50.000 And to enhance that and make himself even stronger is not really going to improve his fighting.

01:40:56.000 What really was improving his fighting was just technique and efficiency.

01:41:00.000 Yeah, and getting better at fighting stuff.

01:41:03.000 And you're going to gain strength specific for fighting by grappling.

01:41:09.000 You can't get...

01:41:10.000 Some of those muscle groups...

01:41:13.000 The way that you need to get them to fire, the only way to do that is to just freaking get that squeeze.

01:41:17.000 And you can do that all day.

01:41:19.000 You can pull on the bands and you can simulate a lot of that stuff.

01:41:23.000 But there's nothing that's ever going to replace trying to control somebody with your legs and their upper body and at the same time control your breathing and heart rate and try to then squeeze.

01:41:34.000 It's unlike...

01:41:36.000 It's unlike anything else.

01:41:37.000 Eddie Bravo used to always explain it like tying your shoes.

01:41:41.000 He's like, you got to get a technique down to the point where you do it automatically.

01:41:45.000 You don't even think about it.

01:41:46.000 When you tie your shoes, you don't think about tying your shoes.

01:41:48.000 Nope.

01:41:48.000 You just go, and you tie your shoes.

01:41:50.000 He's like, that has to be how your technique comes out.

01:41:53.000 You can't be consciously thinking about it while you're applying it.

01:41:56.000 You can get it to that point, and then it's obviously when you're drilling it and executing constantly over and over again.

01:42:03.000 You know how some guys just have a tech...

01:42:05.000 You remember Paul Sass?

01:42:07.000 Yeah.

01:42:07.000 He had a triangle from hell.

01:42:10.000 That motherfucker triangled everybody, and everybody knew, stay out of his triangle. 1.00

01:42:13.000 Didn't matter. 1.00

01:42:14.000 Doesn't matter.

01:42:15.000 Yeah.

01:42:15.000 He just had this...

01:42:16.000 In that movement, he had that movement down so tight and so fluid.

01:42:22.000 No matter what. 1.00

01:42:22.000 That if you were in his guard, he would just slap that motherfucker on you. 1.00

01:42:27.000 I mean, look at Habib and Islam, and you know they're going to try to take you down. 1.00

01:42:32.000 Right.

01:42:33.000 Good luck.

01:42:34.000 Yeah.

01:42:35.000 Can't stop it.

01:42:36.000 And they don't hide it. 1.00

01:42:37.000 I'm going to take you down and I'm going to smash you and I'm going to choke you out. 1.00

01:42:40.000 Smash. 1.00

01:42:41.000 Yeah.

01:42:41.000 And he did it over and over and over again.

01:42:43.000 He's just going to do it.

01:42:44.000 Yeah.

01:42:45.000 I mean, who's been more dominant in their career?

01:42:47.000 Because he arguably lost a round versus Conor.

01:42:51.000 And he had that difficult fight with Glace and Tebow early in his career.

01:42:57.000 That was a close fight.

01:42:58.000 Other than that, just a smash fest.

01:43:02.000 Smash fest.

01:43:04.000 And you know a guy's dominant when you talk about, wow, so-and-so lasted five rounds with him.

01:43:11.000 Yeah, he got crushed!

01:43:12.000 Yeah.

01:43:13.000 But he lasted.

01:43:14.000 Al Iaquinta. 1.00

01:43:15.000 Tough as shit. 1.00

01:43:16.000 Talked about that. 1.00

01:43:17.000 Al Iaquinta gave a great account of himself.

01:43:19.000 Got that fight over me.

01:43:21.000 Oh, that's right.

01:43:22.000 I remember that.

01:43:23.000 That was one of those weird ones where they told Max Holloway to stop cutting weight.

01:43:27.000 Yeah.

01:43:28.000 That was New York.

01:43:29.000 Yeah, dude, they had all kinds of stuff going on to make him make weight.

01:43:34.000 They had that room turned into like a furnace. 0.85

01:43:37.000 I swear to God, they were bringing up like butane heaters and shit into the room. 0.92

01:43:42.000 The hotel, they're just trying to hide it all from the hotel lobby in New York, but they're bringing up all this stuff, all these heated blankets, all this stuff. 0.93

01:43:49.000 And I remember talking to those guys back then.

01:43:53.000 I think he was gonna make weight, but the doctor, once he saw all that, he's like, I can't...

01:43:58.000 I can't allow this anymore.

01:44:00.000 The doctors, if that doctor saw everyone make weight, they'd stop it.

01:44:04.000 This is what Hamzat said.

01:44:06.000 Hamzat said he would have made weight.

01:44:07.000 And by the way, that was in New York as well, right?

01:44:09.000 Yeah.

01:44:10.000 Just once they see it, they're going to...

01:44:13.000 Get them out of there! 0.73

01:44:14.000 Of course it's...

01:44:15.000 Bad for our health.

01:44:16.000 Of course. 1.00

01:44:17.000 It's fucking horrible. 1.00

01:44:18.000 Go cut four pounds that's bad for your health. 0.99

01:44:21.000 Imagine what these guys are doing, especially Max in that particular situation.

01:44:26.000 I remember thinking it was a joke.

01:44:28.000 Do you remember?

01:44:28.000 It was like April 1st when the news came out.

01:44:32.000 That Max was stepping in.

01:44:34.000 Who was originally?

01:44:34.000 Tony Ferguson.

01:44:35.000 He tore his fucking knee because he was wearing sunglasses. 1.00

01:44:38.000 He wasn't. 0.99

01:44:39.000 I said that and I apologize to Tony because everybody thought that because Tony wore sunglasses a lot. 0.99

01:44:45.000 But no, he just tripped over some fucking loose wires. 1.00

01:44:49.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:44:50.000 That's so crazy. 1.00

01:44:50.000 He was probably wearing sunglasses. 1.00

01:44:52.000 I don't think he was.

01:44:53.000 I don't think he was.

01:44:54.000 They said he wasn't. 1.00

01:44:54.000 He tripped over some fucking wires. 1.00

01:44:57.000 He was probably kicking a pole right before that. 1.00

01:44:59.000 But how crazy is that? 1.00

01:45:00.000 He tore his fucking knee tripping over some wires. 0.99

01:45:02.000 And it was April 1st when the news came out about that. 0.99

01:45:05.000 And everybody's like, no, I swear to God, it's not an April Fool's joke.

01:45:09.000 I remember sitting in the basement at Duke's.

01:45:12.000 Thinking it was an April Fool's show.

01:45:13.000 To this day, I wish Tony fought Khabib when Tony was in his prime. 1.00

01:45:17.000 Because Tony in his prime, you know, people see him get knocked out by Michael Chandler, and they see him lose to Nate.

01:45:22.000 They see these fights. 0.98

01:45:23.000 It's a damn shame, man. 0.99

01:45:24.000 That's a long road of a battered body from war. 0.99

01:45:29.000 100%. 1.00

01:45:29.000 And if Tony Ferguson, when he was at the top of the heap, was a fucking boogeyman. 1.00

01:45:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:34.000 He was the boogeyman, man. 1.00

01:45:35.000 He really was.

01:45:36.000 He wasn't wearing my...

01:45:38.000 I wasn't wearing my shades.

01:45:39.000 I actually had my prescription sunglasses on.

01:45:41.000 Oh.

01:45:42.000 Well, that's still sunglasses.

01:45:45.000 That's still sunglasses, Tony.

01:45:47.000 Tony Ferguson's the type of guy to not be wearing sunglasses while wearing sunglasses.

01:45:53.000 Those Tony Ferguson is the type of guy memes are amazing.

01:45:57.000 I hope he takes that and enjoys it and isn't mad about it, but I feel like Tony Ferguson's the type of guy to get mad about it.

01:46:03.000 He got mad because I called him a brilliant weirdo. 0.50

01:46:06.000 You are, bro.

01:46:08.000 It's so unusual.

01:46:09.000 I mean, just his style of moving, and he would catch you with these weird punches, and he would train on a Wing Chun dummy.

01:46:17.000 Eddie Bravo was working with him, and they were in Big Bear, and he said, Tony was in such fucking insane shape that everybody else in camp would be running sprints.

01:46:28.000 Tony would lap them.

01:46:30.000 He would run these hills, run back down while these guys were still running, and lap them going up the hills.

01:46:35.000 I forget who it was.

01:46:38.000 Maybe Jeremy Stevens went and trained with him for a little bit and hung out with him.

01:46:42.000 And he would say that Tony would wake...

01:46:43.000 I think it was Jeremy Stevens who said it.

01:46:45.000 But he would be like, man, he'd just wake you up at 2 in the morning and be like, we're running.

01:46:49.000 And he would just go and do these...

01:46:51.000 That's Floyd Mayweather.

01:46:51.000 Yeah.

01:46:52.000 Floyd Mayweather would do that too.

01:46:53.000 He would go to a club, drink water, hang out with everybody, and then run 10 miles home.

01:46:58.000 Yeah.

01:46:59.000 But that's what it takes to be elite.

01:47:00.000 I just don't think Tony got his chance.

01:47:02.000 I mean, Tony beat Kevin Lee, and he beat some really good guys, and he won the interim title.

01:47:09.000 That's definitely the fight that got away.

01:47:11.000 Yes, it got away.

01:47:13.000 It got away.

01:47:13.000 That would have been a really amazing fight.

01:47:16.000 Jon Jones and Gano is another one now where we're all like...

01:47:18.000 That might still happen.

01:47:19.000 Could happen.

01:47:19.000 That could still happen.

01:47:20.000 But will it happen when we all want it to happen?

01:47:25.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:25.000 If it happens in four years from now...

01:47:27.000 But it doesn't have to happen in four years.

01:47:28.000 Here's my thing.

01:47:29.000 Again, Mr. Angano, please hear me out.

01:47:32.000 This is, I mean, just for legacy and just for also money.

01:47:37.000 I think the big money is if he has an account, what if he knocks out Dillian White?

01:47:44.000 What if they set him up with some boxer who's an elite boxer, not Tyson Fury.

01:47:49.000 And he goes and wins a big fight.

01:47:51.000 You've got to remember, Ngannou is 265 ripped natural.

01:47:57.000 Cutting weight to probably be at 265. Canned hams for fists.

01:48:03.000 He's a fucking specimen and the power is extraordinary. 0.99

01:48:08.000 And if he's just punching and not worrying about takedowns, if one of those... 0.99

01:48:12.000 Look at Wilder.

01:48:14.000 Wilder, who's the greatest knockout artist ever.

01:48:17.000 Crazy.

01:48:17.000 Greatest.

01:48:18.000 He's a one-punch knockout artist.

01:48:21.000 I would say, I mean, you have your George Foreman's and Mike Tyson are the most beautiful combinations we've ever seen in the heavyweight division, but Wilder just...

01:48:30.000 Pure power.

01:48:31.000 Blap! 0.71

01:48:31.000 Did you see his last fight? 0.71

01:48:32.000 It wasn't even...

01:48:33.000 Moving away!

01:48:34.000 Moving away!

01:48:35.000 He hits this guy and the guy's stiff.

01:48:37.000 He has...

01:48:39.000 Ortiz, when he hit Ortiz in the forehead, pull that up. 0.85

01:48:43.000 Pull up Wilder knocks out Ortiz.

01:48:45.000 Because he hit him, and Ortiz is a durable guy.

01:48:49.000 A tough guy.

01:48:50.000 And he had Wilder in some trouble in that fight.

01:48:52.000 And Wilder just...

01:48:54.000 Hit him.

01:48:55.000 Blah! 0.99

01:48:55.000 Right in the forehead. 0.99

01:48:56.000 Yeah, you can tell, man.

01:48:57.000 Head snaps back and Ortiz's eyes are all back. 0.99

01:48:59.000 He's like, what the fuck just hit me? 0.98

01:49:01.000 Those are the things you can't train. 1.00

01:49:03.000 That is God's gift to you.

01:49:04.000 And again, it's that long frame like you were talking about.

01:49:06.000 Yeah, look at another lean.

01:49:07.000 Look at that.

01:49:07.000 Oh my goodness.

01:49:08.000 Look at this.

01:49:09.000 Watch this.

01:49:10.000 Here it goes again.

01:49:12.000 Bam! 0.98

01:49:13.000 I mean, look at Ortiz. 1.00

01:49:15.000 Ortiz is like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:49:18.000 He's just trying to put his mouthpiece back in. 1.00

01:49:20.000 His mouthpiece is in.

01:49:21.000 He's still trying to find it.

01:49:22.000 His legs aren't moving. 1.00

01:49:25.000 He's like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:49:26.000 Look at his face. 1.00

01:49:27.000 He's upset about it.

01:49:29.000 He's confused.

01:49:30.000 Wilder, preposterous power.

01:49:32.000 But it just goes to show you there's levels.

01:49:35.000 Look at the chin of Tyson Fury.

01:49:36.000 Tyson Fury, the 12th round in that first fight, drops him.

01:49:40.000 Right hand, left hook, and even does this.

01:49:42.000 Like, it's over.

01:49:43.000 Like, I got him.

01:49:44.000 I got him.

01:49:44.000 Nope.

01:49:45.000 He rises from the dead.

01:49:46.000 Rises.

01:49:47.000 I remember watching that one live and I couldn't believe it.

01:49:51.000 I was like, oh, that's it.

01:49:52.000 He's done.

01:49:53.000 Alone in my bedroom screaming.

01:49:55.000 Alone in my bedroom screaming, oh my god, he's winning the 12th round! 1.00

01:49:59.000 My wife was in the other room like, what the fuck are you yelling at? 1.00

01:50:02.000 I'm like, he's winning the fucking 12th round! 1.00

01:50:04.000 This is insane! 1.00

01:50:05.000 He almost gets killed!

01:50:06.000 He gets back up and he wins!

01:50:09.000 Plan B option if Usyk fight fails to happen is Ngannou.

01:50:12.000 Oh, wow.

01:50:13.000 Wow.

01:50:14.000 Well, the Usyk fight's gonna happen.

01:50:16.000 It's the most important fight in boxing.

01:50:18.000 I think that fight is gigantic because you got Usyk who's, you know, beats Joshua twice and the best movement in boxing and skillful.

01:50:29.000 He's a heavyweight Lomachenko.

01:50:31.000 Yeah.

01:50:31.000 And was the cruiserweight champion.

01:50:32.000 He's an undersized heavyweight.

01:50:34.000 And you got Tyson who's as big a heavyweight as you're ever gonna see.

01:50:37.000 Massive. 0.99

01:50:37.000 6'9", long as fuck, agile with back fat. 0.99

01:50:43.000 That picture right there, I couldn't tell if his pants were falling down. 0.99

01:50:47.000 Go back to that picture, Jamie.

01:50:49.000 The picture you just showed, the Usyk, the backup fight, that he's a backup fighter.

01:50:53.000 The one that you just had up.

01:50:54.000 If you look, the rolls of fat off his back.

01:50:57.000 Yeah, look at that there. 0.95

01:50:58.000 That back fat is insane.

01:51:00.000 Peak male performance right there.

01:51:02.000 The bodybuilder.

01:51:03.000 So you beat the bodybuilder.

01:51:05.000 You haven't fought the Gypsy King! 1.00

01:51:07.000 You're crazy, dude. 1.00

01:51:07.000 He's the fucking best. 1.00

01:51:09.000 His dad's out of his mind, too. 0.99

01:51:09.000 I love him. 0.99

01:51:10.000 I love that guy.

01:51:12.000 Tyson Fury vs.

01:51:13.000 Alexander Usyk headed to Wembley in April.

01:51:16.000 Huge boost to British boxing fans. 0.99

01:51:18.000 What a fucking fight that's gonna be. 0.98

01:51:20.000 My God, that's gonna be amazing. 0.99

01:51:21.000 I just don't know if Usyk has the size to deal with that guy.

01:51:25.000 It's going to be interesting to see what strategy he employs, whether or not he can avoid the big bombs and the reach and the length.

01:51:33.000 So long.

01:51:34.000 But...

01:51:35.000 Not the long lean type that we're talking about.

01:51:37.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:51:39.000 A little different.

01:51:40.000 A little different. 0.99

01:51:41.000 I mean, he doesn't give a fuck what his body looks like. 0.99

01:51:44.000 He's just a fighter. 0.99

01:51:45.000 Is he still...

01:51:47.000 Is he sober?

01:51:48.000 No!

01:51:48.000 Is he not sober?

01:51:49.000 He's back on the sauce now?

01:51:51.000 He just doesn't drink in camp.

01:51:53.000 Yeah, okay.

01:51:53.000 I mean, I don't know if he's sober.

01:51:55.000 I don't think he's sober.

01:51:56.000 He's always, well, he's, that's what I mean.

01:51:58.000 That's why I'm asking.

01:51:58.000 I know he goes back and forth on, you know, he's right in the head and then he's not.

01:52:03.000 And then you'll see him in a clip and he's had, you know, 14 pints.

01:52:07.000 Well, you know, he's an inspirational story.

01:52:10.000 I mean, he really is. 1.00

01:52:11.000 I mean, the guy was like, he beats Vladimir Klitschko, he becomes a heavyweight champion, then loses his fucking mind. 0.99

01:52:19.000 He's drinking constantly, almost committed suicide, was driving his Ferrari, thinking about just fucking driving off a cliff. 0.98

01:52:26.000 And then gets it together and becomes a heavyweight champion again. 0.87

01:52:30.000 And then wasn't fully all the way back when he fought Wilder.

01:52:33.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:52:34.000 And then fights Wilder in the rematch and then now he's fucking tuned up and ready. 0.95

01:52:38.000 Beats the brakes off of Wilder. 0.97

01:52:40.000 And then the third fight, Wilder catches him with a bomb!

01:52:43.000 Yeah.

01:52:44.000 That bomb that he caught him where you see the fat ripple all the way down to his body.

01:52:48.000 Any other human.

01:52:50.000 Any other human.

01:52:51.000 He's not getting back up.

01:52:52.000 Any other human.

01:52:53.000 Nobody punches like Wilder.

01:52:55.000 Nobody.

01:52:56.000 Because like we talked about, it's in him.

01:53:00.000 He's not doing something in the gym with a trainer to get that kind of power.

01:53:04.000 You were born with that gift. 0.99

01:53:06.000 It's also being a gypsy and being around that fucking rough tumble brawling world his whole life. 1.00

01:53:13.000 His dad's a fighter. 0.99

01:53:14.000 His brother's a fighter.

01:53:15.000 Everyone's a fighter around him. 1.00

01:53:17.000 Just fucking savages. 1.00

01:53:20.000 Just in the bones. 1.00

01:53:22.000 In the bones.

01:53:23.000 Gypsy people, man. 1.00

01:53:24.000 Whenever he talks about retiring, I'm like, not yet.

01:53:27.000 Don't do it.

01:53:29.000 I think that if he does beat Usyk, it's still possible, because they're going to fight in April, right?

01:53:35.000 Unless Ngannou decides to take a big money boxing fight before that, which I don't blame him for doing.

01:53:41.000 But goddammit, if he beats Usyk, that's really the only compelling, interesting thing for him in that division.

01:53:48.000 I mean, what else would be compelling?

01:53:51.000 The Joshua fight?

01:53:52.000 Not really.

01:53:52.000 Not after the Usyk fights.

01:53:54.000 I mean, unless Joshua comes back, because they're talking about Joshua fighting Wilder, right?

01:53:59.000 Isn't that the talk?

01:54:00.000 No.

01:54:01.000 They're talking about Ortiz fighting Wilder, right?

01:54:03.000 No.

01:54:04.000 Ruiz.

01:54:05.000 Andy Ruiz.

01:54:06.000 Right?

01:54:06.000 That's what they're talking about.

01:54:07.000 So Andy Ruiz, they're talking about him fighting Wilder.

01:54:12.000 Look, Wilder versus Ngannou would be crazy.

01:54:15.000 That would be crazy.

01:54:17.000 How about that fight?

01:54:18.000 I just think as long as he gets...

01:54:21.000 Something.

01:54:21.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:22.000 If you're going to leave that contract on the table, I hope you get some big fights, man.

01:54:27.000 Because that was a big payday to leave behind.

01:54:29.000 They offered him more money than any heavyweight.

01:54:32.000 But I think the sticking point, I'm talking out of school here because I don't know just what I've read.

01:54:37.000 The sticking point, I think, was that he wanted to be able to go off and do boxing.

01:54:41.000 To his credit, he's like, hey, Conor McGregor did it.

01:54:45.000 Why can't I do it?

01:54:46.000 And I get it.

01:54:48.000 Yeah.

01:54:49.000 I get it.

01:54:51.000 I get it.

01:54:51.000 But if I'm getting hundreds of million dollars a fight on the table, it's hard to...

01:54:57.000 Conor made a hundred million dollars in the Floyd Mayweather fight.

01:55:00.000 Yeah.

01:55:00.000 And that's generational wealth.

01:55:02.000 Yeah.

01:55:03.000 But he lucked out where the UFC wanted to partner with that and make that happen, right?

01:55:08.000 That's where that whole situation...

01:55:10.000 And that's what Ngannou, I guess, wanted too.

01:55:12.000 And it's just like, man, they probably did that one time and we're like, all right, you know what?

01:55:16.000 Yeah.

01:55:16.000 That was a whole lot.

01:55:17.000 What's also, if the boxer beats up the UFC fighter.

01:55:22.000 Yeah, how many times do you want to sign up for that?

01:55:24.000 You can't get the boxer to fight UFC. Yeah, no.

01:55:26.000 The thing is, no one wants to do that.

01:55:28.000 No one wants to do that. 0.96

01:55:30.000 You know what drives me nuts, though, is they still will go and talk all this trash, a lot of these boxers. 0.81

01:55:35.000 It's like, you guys know. 1.00

01:55:38.000 Given a street fight rules, you're getting your ass kicked. 1.00

01:55:42.000 I don't care who you are. 1.00

01:55:43.000 An amateur fighter will kill you. 1.00

01:55:44.000 Yeah, they're just going to take you down. 0.99

01:55:45.000 You're getting choked out. 0.99

01:55:47.000 Yeah, you'll get leg kicked. 0.61

01:55:48.000 You won't be able to stop a takedown.

01:55:50.000 They can sit there and just do this to you for 25 minutes if they want.

01:55:54.000 Imagine any elite wrestler.

01:55:58.000 That gets in there with a boxer. 1.00

01:55:59.000 The boxer has zero chance of not being taken down.

01:56:02.000 Literally zero.

01:56:03.000 Unless that boxer's like Crawford.

01:56:06.000 Terrence Crawford has a background in wrestling. 0.99

01:56:09.000 That's fucking interesting. 0.98

01:56:10.000 And if you don't know that, and you're like, I'm just going to take this guy down. 0.99

01:56:13.000 He sprawls on you that one time.

01:56:14.000 Oh, no.

01:56:16.000 Can you imagine the panic that would set him?

01:56:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:56:19.000 I can't take him down. 1.00

01:56:20.000 I'm fucked. 1.00

01:56:21.000 Now I got to box this guy? 1.00

01:56:23.000 That's a fight that we're missing out too.

01:56:25.000 Him and Earl Spence.

01:56:26.000 That's a fight we're missing out on.

01:56:28.000 That bums me out.

01:56:29.000 I hope they can still do that.

01:56:31.000 We have so many fights now with the UFC that it's even hard for me to keep track of all the boxing stuff that's going on.

01:56:41.000 We have fights every weekend.

01:56:43.000 I keep track of that.

01:56:44.000 I keep track of jiu-jitsu.

01:56:46.000 I keep track of all the elite kickboxers.

01:56:48.000 That's why I was so excited when Pajera fought in the UFC. Because you've been following him for a while.

01:56:52.000 Well, I was telling Dana a while ago.

01:56:54.000 I was like, this guy just fought MMA. I remember watching Izzy back when he was still kickboxing.

01:57:00.000 So when that debut came up, I was excited about that.

01:57:03.000 A friend of mine had been telling me about him for a while.

01:57:05.000 He said, you've got to watch this guy style better.

01:57:07.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:07.000 You know, I contacted Izzy way before he fought in the UFC, and I asked him about it, and Izzy played it real smart.

01:57:12.000 He was like, they give me a lot of money to fight in China, he's getting a lot of money, and he's like, I want to do this the right way, and get really prepared.

01:57:18.000 And to his credit, he did it perfectly.

01:57:21.000 Then what's the point?

01:57:22.000 Congratulations, you got offered a UFC contract, and you just got wrestled to death.

01:57:26.000 Exactly.

01:57:27.000 There's no point, because he turned it down a few times, I think.

01:57:30.000 Yes.

01:57:30.000 They were trying to get him even earlier, but it's...

01:57:33.000 He did it the right way.

01:57:34.000 He did it the right way.

01:57:34.000 You know what these guys are going to try to do.

01:57:36.000 If you come in with that kind of kickboxing pedigree, they're going to take you down.

01:57:39.000 What do you think he does in the rematch?

01:57:41.000 What do you think he does differently?

01:57:43.000 Obviously, it was that calf kick. 0.88

01:57:44.000 Yeah, he was doing really well, and he had hurt him really bad.

01:57:49.000 Almost had him stopped in the first round.

01:57:50.000 Right away, I couldn't believe it.

01:57:51.000 I was like, oh my god.

01:57:52.000 Right hand, left hook at the bell.

01:57:54.000 Yeah.

01:57:55.000 I don't know.

01:57:56.000 But hey, I came back in that second round like it never happened.

01:57:59.000 Yeah.

01:57:59.000 He's so big, dude.

01:58:01.000 Do you see when you stand next to Jamal Hill?

01:58:03.000 Yeah.

01:58:03.000 When he's like staring down Jamal Hill.

01:58:05.000 Melting his face.

01:58:07.000 As soon as I saw that, and as I was there, I didn't know what, it hadn't been translated yet, I didn't know what Glover was saying. 0.98

01:58:14.000 And he kept pointing back at Alex, and I'm like, oh shit, he's setting up this fight now. 0.92

01:58:18.000 He's going to retire, and he's setting up this fight. 0.98

01:58:20.000 And it wasn't what he was saying.

01:58:22.000 He was saying he was going to focus on Oh, training him.

01:58:25.000 At first, I thought...

01:58:27.000 Jamal's open to it.

01:58:29.000 Oh, man.

01:58:30.000 I love that fight.

01:58:30.000 I love Jamal, man.

01:58:32.000 Dude, that guy...

01:58:33.000 So good.

01:58:34.000 Has a lot of potential.

01:58:36.000 And getting better all the time.

01:58:38.000 And he took that fight.

01:58:39.000 I mean, he didn't have a full training camp.

01:58:41.000 Right.

01:58:41.000 And still fought five hard, long rounds of extreme pace.

01:58:45.000 Against one of the most durable sons of bitches that the UFC has ever seen. 1.00

01:58:48.000 And showed grappling talent. 0.98

01:58:50.000 Jamal showed grappling.

01:58:50.000 And he's been saying that since the beginning.

01:58:53.000 Even when he was on Contender Series and we were talking to him, he's like, I know I'm known for these knockouts, but he was telling everybody, listen, I got really good jiu-jitsu.

01:59:01.000 Finally got to show it.

01:59:02.000 I mean, if you can escape those positions in a title fight against somebody like Glover Teixeira in Brazil and get out and do what you did, man.

01:59:11.000 And did you see the Yuri Prohaska thing?

01:59:13.000 Oh my god.

01:59:14.000 So find the Yuri Prohaska reaction and Jamal's reaction to Yuri.

01:59:20.000 Where you at though?

01:59:21.000 Jamal's so funny.

01:59:23.000 Jamal, I don't want to say it because you need to see it.

01:59:26.000 Jamal's so funny.

01:59:26.000 He's funny on Instagram too.

01:59:28.000 He's low-key funny too.

01:59:29.000 It's just that subtle funny.

01:59:32.000 Because I saw him, we were upstairs at the hotel because all our flights were leaving like crazy late from Brazil.

01:59:38.000 And he had seen that video.

01:59:39.000 And he's like, where is he getting the internet out there?

01:59:43.000 He's like, is he watching the fight out in the woods?

01:59:45.000 Was he watching it?

01:59:46.000 Or did he watch it and then go out into the woods?

01:59:49.000 I'm like, yeah, I'm not sure.

01:59:50.000 Yeah, see, fine.

01:59:52.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:59:52.000 Play this live so we can hear it.

01:59:56.000 Play it.

01:59:57.000 No, redo it so we can hear the whole thing.

02:00:00.000 I'm coming.

02:00:01.000 Okay.

02:00:06.000 Congratulations.

02:00:08.000 He's out in the snow.

02:00:10.000 I'm coming.

02:00:14.000 I'm coming!

02:00:16.000 No, but then Jamal's response to that, they have it back to back.

02:00:21.000 Here it goes.

02:00:23.000 But where you at, though?

02:00:26.000 Where you at, though?

02:00:28.000 By the way, that's what she said.

02:00:32.000 That's what she said!

02:00:37.000 But where you at, though?

02:00:38.000 He's the man.

02:00:39.000 He's the man.

02:00:40.000 And, you know, you talk about a guy who's got crazy power, too. 0.99

02:00:43.000 And just intelligence of how to get that fucking power to your chin. 0.99

02:00:48.000 I think that's what was underrated. 0.98

02:00:51.000 And now I think after this last fight, people are a little more aware of that.

02:00:54.000 But he's very calculated.

02:00:56.000 Very, very.

02:00:56.000 He's calculated strikes.

02:00:57.000 Even though it looks like it's coming from unorthodox angles, when I talked to him afterwards, the head kick was planned.

02:01:03.000 They knew in order to switch Southpaw seamlessly without giving everything away, that was their plan.

02:01:09.000 When we switch, Glover's going to see we're switching.

02:01:12.000 So what are we going to do to stifle him for a second so that we can transition into that Southpaw?

02:01:17.000 Left high kick. 0.98

02:01:18.000 Best thing you can do, man, is just throw a bomb. 0.98

02:01:20.000 Because you have to address the head kick. 0.56

02:01:23.000 You throw a body kick, a guy like Glover, what's he going to do?

02:01:25.000 Catch it.

02:01:26.000 Catch it, he's going to take down.

02:01:27.000 Even if you hurt him, he's going to drive through and potentially get a takedown.

02:01:31.000 You throw it to the head, you're not catching head kicks.

02:01:34.000 Unless you get lucky, it bounces off and they tree top you, but chances are they're going to go like this.

02:01:41.000 Yeah, it was interesting because he caught him a couple of times that head kick and wobbled Glover.

02:01:46.000 He's got like a size 16 foot.

02:01:48.000 So think about it.

02:01:49.000 Glover's blocking it.

02:01:50.000 The big old foot is just wrapping around the side of his head.

02:01:54.000 You know better than anybody.

02:01:55.000 Even if you block it, just the impact.

02:01:56.000 It rattles you.

02:01:57.000 It rattles everything.

02:01:58.000 And I was even saying on the broadcast that it's a good idea, even if it doesn't hit his head.

02:02:03.000 For people at home, we were talking about the leg kicks.

02:02:05.000 Go ahead like this and let me take a baseball bat.

02:02:09.000 Block this baseball bat. 0.99

02:02:11.000 It's gonna hurt even on your forearms.

02:02:14.000 By the way, he kicks harder than you can swing a baseball bat too.

02:02:17.000 People need to know that too.

02:02:19.000 Because it's coming from down here and your leg is bigger than a baseball bat.

02:02:23.000 And especially if someone has real power in their hips and knows how to really swing it.

02:02:27.000 I think he needs to keep developing that.

02:02:29.000 Oh my God, yeah.

02:02:30.000 If he can keep developing that left kick and get a little more flexible, because you can tell he's just hammering it up there.

02:02:35.000 Yeah.

02:02:35.000 It's like if he starts working that and gets sneaky behind, maybe setting it up with, kind of like Leon did against Kamara, where you set it up with that...

02:02:44.000 That cross.

02:02:45.000 So many good fights in that weight class.

02:02:49.000 You have Yuri who's coming back, gets the shoulder surgery.

02:02:52.000 Hopefully not too soon though, man.

02:02:54.000 Right.

02:02:55.000 Because apparently that was a pretty devastating injury that he had.

02:02:58.000 I don't know what he all tore in there.

02:03:00.000 Tell the story of what happened because it's kind of crazy.

02:03:03.000 Do you know the story with Yuri?

02:03:05.000 No.

02:03:06.000 His shoulder gets out of socket.

02:03:07.000 In training camp, which is dangerous enough, right?

02:03:10.000 Yeah.

02:03:11.000 So his camp, they try to put the shoulder back in.

02:03:13.000 Oh, I heard.

02:03:14.000 They're yanking on it, and they tear it to shreds.

02:03:17.000 So the UFC doctor said it was the worst shoulder injury he'd ever seen.

02:03:22.000 That's what I heard.

02:03:23.000 That's not good.

02:03:23.000 I forgot that they said that, yeah, people trying to put it back in place, everybody just sees a video of a doctor doing that, and it's like...

02:03:30.000 Well, you have to also recognize, too, and I hope Yuri knows this, and if he doesn't, maybe he's listening.

02:03:36.000 Your muscle tissue will heal faster than your connective tissue, your tendons and your ligaments.

02:03:41.000 You feel good, but it's not ready.

02:03:44.000 That's why guys blow out their ACL again after doing it.

02:03:48.000 Like, they get their surgery.

02:03:49.000 I'm good to go.

02:03:50.000 It's like, no, man.

02:03:52.000 Not good to go.

02:03:53.000 Ed Herman did that, right?

02:03:54.000 He gets the ACL surgery, recovering from ACL surgery, feeling pretty good, blows it out again.

02:03:59.000 That's really common.

02:04:01.000 Because the ligaments, even though they feel ready, the tissue around them is strong, the actual ligaments themselves are not...

02:04:08.000 They take a long time.

02:04:09.000 The blood supply is very weak.

02:04:11.000 That's one of those injuries that...

02:04:14.000 Shoulders or rough?

02:04:16.000 Shoulders and ACLs.

02:04:17.000 I mean, I had minor injuries throughout fighting to my knee, thank God, like meniscus stuff, that they go in and cut that out.

02:04:25.000 Yeah, but even that, your knee's kind of compromised after that.

02:04:28.000 To this day, because I'm missing the whole inside part of it, basically.

02:04:33.000 If I'm just standing around, I can kind of like shake it.

02:04:36.000 I can feel that it's...

02:04:38.000 Yeah, it wobbles.

02:04:38.000 I'm missing that on my inside of my left leg too.

02:04:41.000 Yeah, it wobbles.

02:04:42.000 There's no cushion there.

02:04:43.000 I got an insufficiency fracture from skiing because I fell and my knees clashed into each other because there's no ligament.

02:04:52.000 There's no meniscus on that side.

02:04:54.000 There was a crack.

02:04:55.000 I was like, something's wrong.

02:04:56.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

02:04:58.000 Even if you run too much with no meniscus, which is probably what I'm doing to myself at the moment.

02:05:03.000 Oh, I'm sure you do.

02:05:04.000 And my hip...

02:05:06.000 You know, like your hip bone?

02:05:08.000 What runs across that?

02:05:10.000 Is that part of your IT, man?

02:05:11.000 That runs literally across your...

02:05:13.000 I don't know.

02:05:14.000 Do you get it worked on?

02:05:16.000 Do you get it looked at?

02:05:16.000 Oh, I'm so bad at all that stuff, man.

02:05:18.000 Are you?

02:05:18.000 You just try to ignore it?

02:05:20.000 I'm just going to...

02:05:21.000 I'm good to go.

02:05:22.000 You're saying that about blood work.

02:05:24.000 If I don't want to look at it...

02:05:25.000 Oh, man.

02:05:27.000 Like Christine is, she's like, you need to go get your kidneys looked at. 0.98

02:05:30.000 And I'm like, I don't want to know.

02:05:31.000 Does it bother you?

02:05:32.000 Do they bother you?

02:05:34.000 Sometimes I get a little twinge back on the right side here.

02:05:37.000 And I think it's...

02:05:39.000 Did you ever get kidney stones?

02:05:41.000 Never had kidney stones, but I did have, like I had the rhabdo after the hooker fight. 1.00

02:05:47.000 That's scary shit. 1.00

02:05:49.000 And I was peeing Coca-Cola. 1.00

02:05:51.000 And that's how I knew and I mean several times I pee blood.

02:05:54.000 What did they do to fix the rhabdo? 0.96

02:05:56.000 Flushed the shit out of me with IVs basically and made me wait in the hospital until my levels in the blood, they kept just taking little samples of blood.

02:06:05.000 Rhabdo is something that a lot of CrossFit people get.

02:06:08.000 Yeah, you just work your muscles so bad they start to break apart and like, I forget what starts to go, it poisons your blood basically.

02:06:18.000 Yeah, basically.

02:06:20.000 Rhabdomyelosis, right?

02:06:21.000 Myalysis, right?

02:06:22.000 Rhabdomyelosis?

02:06:23.000 Something like that.

02:06:24.000 But it's very sketchy stuff.

02:06:26.000 Yeah, it looks like you're peeing straight cola.

02:06:28.000 Well, that's when people say, oh, there's no such thing as overtraining. 0.98

02:06:32.000 No, there fucking most certainly is. 0.99

02:06:34.000 You can literally destroy your kidneys from doing it. 1.00

02:06:37.000 Yeah, you could die.

02:06:37.000 And you could die.

02:06:38.000 And I think a lot of it for me was because of the damage to my actual muscles, which was causing it.

02:06:46.000 Because it wasn't the weight cut for that one.

02:06:47.000 That one...

02:06:48.000 I was dialed in for that one.

02:06:50.000 So I know it wasn't putting too much strain in that, but 25 minutes of a dude hammering your calf.

02:06:56.000 Calf starts to break.

02:06:57.000 It was probably starting to break apart.

02:06:59.000 It almost had compartments in it.

02:07:00.000 This is the hooker fight? 1.00

02:07:01.000 This is the hooker fight, yeah. 1.00

02:07:02.000 And I broke my orbital.

02:07:03.000 Jesus.

02:07:04.000 That's a lot of stuff going on.

02:07:06.000 Oh, dude.

02:07:06.000 For the longest time, I was seeing like...

02:07:08.000 I was getting...

02:07:10.000 Double vision.

02:07:11.000 Since retiring, it's finally going away.

02:07:14.000 But if I look to my right, even now, like if I was looking at you, this eye would start to kind of do its own thing a little bit.

02:07:22.000 Not anymore, though.

02:07:23.000 It's been good.

02:07:24.000 When Bilal was telling me about getting his surgery.

02:07:26.000 When he got poked? 0.97

02:07:27.000 Yeah, and then he fucked up the other eye as well. 0.94

02:07:30.000 It's like you realize these guys. 0.98

02:07:32.000 You know about that guy, that Russian cat that's fighting?

02:07:35.000 The UFC just signed him.

02:07:36.000 He has one eye.

02:07:37.000 Oh, I saw that, yeah.

02:07:39.000 I didn't know he had one eye, though.

02:07:40.000 I thought it was just discolored.

02:07:42.000 No, no, no. 0.75

02:07:42.000 It's useless. 0.75

02:07:43.000 It's gone.

02:07:44.000 Yeah, his right eye.

02:07:45.000 And I guess they're going to let him fight.

02:07:47.000 Which I always thought that Bisping gamed the system, which I think he did.

02:07:51.000 Yeah, he kind of like, you know.

02:07:53.000 Well, Bisping would pretend that he could see out of it, so he would memorize the eye chart.

02:07:59.000 How tough is that guy?

02:08:01.000 He's a G, bro. 0.87

02:08:02.000 How tough is that guy?

02:08:02.000 Guy fought 11 fights in the UFC, including winning the world title and defending the world title with one eye.

02:08:08.000 With one eye. 1.00

02:08:09.000 Fucking animal. 1.00

02:08:10.000 Fucking animal. 1.00

02:08:11.000 It's so crazy. 1.00

02:08:12.000 You'll be sitting on...

02:08:13.000 Which side is it?

02:08:14.000 Which side is it?

02:08:15.000 It's his right eye.

02:08:16.000 It's his right eye.

02:08:17.000 And man, he'll bump in.

02:08:19.000 I mean, it's legit.

02:08:20.000 For anybody that's doubting Michael...

02:08:22.000 No, he literally can't see out of the eye.

02:08:24.000 And I remember when it went bad, the Vitor fight.

02:08:28.000 Vitor head kicked him.

02:08:29.000 And worse for wear is that was super soft stuff, Vitor, right?

02:08:34.000 Saucy Vitor.

02:08:36.000 Saucy Vitor.

02:08:37.000 That was back in the days where they allowed them to do testosterone replacement therapy, which is so crazy.

02:08:42.000 It's like, oh, I need some testosterone.

02:08:44.000 It's like, you don't need that much.

02:08:46.000 Well, that was what was crazy about MMA, is that, you know, it's such a new sport, is that there was so much shenanigans that was allowed.

02:08:55.000 Like, look, if they started the UFC today, if the sport started from scratch, do you think they'd allow extreme weight cutting?

02:09:01.000 No, they would...

02:09:02.000 If you were going to start it from the beginning...

02:09:04.000 There'd be hydration testing.

02:09:05.000 Yes!

02:09:05.000 They would do...

02:09:06.000 I don't know how 1FC is doing it because apparently on one of the most recent 1FC cards, nine people failed their weight cut.

02:09:13.000 Because they're trying to...

02:09:14.000 Yeah.

02:09:15.000 They didn't make weight.

02:09:16.000 So, like, I don't know. 0.98

02:09:18.000 What the fuck do you do with that? 0.98

02:09:20.000 And when I'm looking at those guys in 1FC, I'm like, I don't go to your drug tests because they don't work very good. 0.99

02:09:25.000 Well, that's where it's like...

02:09:26.000 Wait a minute.

02:09:27.000 Right.

02:09:27.000 We're worried about them cutting weight.

02:09:29.000 Meanwhile, these guys are taking...

02:09:31.000 Yeah.

02:09:31.000 Every supplement known to mankind.

02:09:34.000 It's like, I don't know if we should be worried about the weight cutting.

02:09:36.000 Including probably diuretics.

02:09:38.000 Yeah.

02:09:39.000 Well, maybe not if they're doing a hydration test.

02:09:42.000 Well, yeah.

02:09:44.000 I don't know.

02:09:45.000 I was talking to Eddie a while ago about it when he was fighting for 1FC and he was kind of talking about...

02:09:50.000 How he had to do the weight cut thing and how much you had to weigh, but I don't remember all the specifics, but I know it's...

02:09:57.000 You have to have a certain level in your urine or something like that so that they know, but... 0.98

02:10:03.000 How about that fucking cat that he fought in his first one fight? 0.99

02:10:08.000 What's his name? 1.00

02:10:10.000 Nastyukin? 0.91

02:10:10.000 Is that his name? 0.91

02:10:11.000 Oh, I don't even remember.

02:10:12.000 I think it's Timothy...

02:10:13.000 I think it's literally the first letters of his name are nasty.

02:10:19.000 Eddie Alvarez. 1.00

02:10:20.000 He fought this fucking animal. 1.00

02:10:22.000 It's like, you need to know. 1.00

02:10:24.000 Yeah, look at it.

02:10:25.000 Nastyuken. 1.00

02:10:26.000 Where's he from?

02:10:28.000 Oh, Russia? 0.78

02:10:29.000 Yep.

02:10:30.000 Russia.

02:10:30.000 Of course.

02:10:31.000 Fucking tank. 1.00

02:10:33.000 So big. 1.00

02:10:33.000 He was so big. 1.00

02:10:35.000 Look at the size of that motherfucker. 1.00

02:10:38.000 That's natural. 1.00

02:10:39.000 Ruthless striker. 1.00

02:10:40.000 Ruthless fucking striker. 1.00

02:10:43.000 Was he the one that was crushing Eddie's legs, too? 1.00

02:10:46.000 Yeah, he stopped Eddie.

02:10:47.000 He stopped Eddie in Eddie's first fight back.

02:10:50.000 The first fight there.

02:10:51.000 Eddie's tough, dude.

02:10:52.000 I've trained with him. 1.00

02:10:53.000 Tough as shit. 1.00

02:10:55.000 Fucking animal. 1.00

02:10:56.000 But, you know, I mean, look how big Nastyaukin is. 1.00

02:10:58.000 Look, he's taller than him, thicker than him. 1.00

02:11:00.000 He's a big motherfucker. 0.99

02:11:02.000 I mean, look, Eddie, you know, fought 55 in the UFC. That guy looks like a big 170. Yeah. 1.00

02:11:07.000 I mean, he's a big fucking fella. 0.97

02:11:09.000 But that's my point, is that there's talent all over the world now. 0.97

02:11:14.000 Yeah.

02:11:14.000 There's not, like, the world-class talent is not limited to the UFC. We're getting these guys that enter into the UFC, and they're elite already.

02:11:21.000 They already have the 20-0, some of these guys.

02:11:24.000 Or 19-2, some crazy records like that.

02:11:27.000 Yes.

02:11:29.000 That fucking cat that just fought, that just knocked out Terrence McKinney in Brazil. 1.00

02:11:36.000 Bonfim brothers. 1.00

02:11:37.000 Bonfim. 1.00

02:11:38.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:11:38.000 What the shit is he good? 1.00

02:11:39.000 You want to talk about a guy that showed up and just had done his homework for that fight, bro? 1.00

02:11:46.000 And McKinney's a bad motherfucker, dude. 0.98

02:11:49.000 McKinney, when he put it on Drew Dober and almost had Drew Dober out in that fight and showed how durable Drew Dober is, and Drew Dober recovered and survived and wound up winning the fight, I was like, damn, McKinney's a future champion. 1.00

02:12:00.000 But this fucking guy, this guy, Bonfim is a monster. 0.99

02:12:05.000 And his brother, Savage as well. 1.00

02:12:07.000 You see his brother was watching back there.

02:12:08.000 Look at that flying knee. 1.00

02:12:09.000 Right on the neck.

02:12:10.000 I talked to Terrence after that, and I was like, he's like, bro, thank God that hit me here.

02:12:15.000 He's like, my teeth would have been gone.

02:12:17.000 Yeah, because he didn't have his mouthpiece in at that time.

02:12:18.000 Which I was wondering why the referee didn't put the mouthpiece back in, because there was a lot of time there between the mouthpiece falling out.

02:12:25.000 Yeah, I think we said it.

02:12:27.000 We were like, why wouldn't you put this in here, but...

02:12:29.000 What a brilliant flying knee though. 0.85

02:12:31.000 I mean the way he set it up shows him the right switch knee and you know that was what Farah Sahabi was talking about when he justified the stoppage with Israel versus Pejera.

02:12:41.000 He was like, nobody has a better switch knee than Pejera.

02:12:46.000 If you're lingering in your head in front of that dude, stop the fight now.

02:12:50.000 Please.

02:12:51.000 You're not going to come back the same person after a knockout like that because you're already messed up.

02:12:56.000 Yes. 0.95

02:12:56.000 And then you let Peeta smash you in the face with a flying knee. 0.95

02:12:59.000 One of the most powerful moves in all of MMA. Yeah, no.

02:13:02.000 If you watch his fight with Jason Willness in Glory, where he stops Willness with that flying knee... 0.99

02:13:07.000 His fucking, and the first fight he had in the UFC where he knocked that cat out with flying knee. 0.98

02:13:11.000 And that guy taking him down a bunch and then it just all takes one of those and it's a game changer. 0.99

02:13:17.000 Yeah, but these guys like Bonfim and his brother, his brother, the other Bonfim, it's Israel and Ishmael and Gabriel.

02:13:26.000 And Gabriel won by guillotine. 0.99

02:13:28.000 Both those guys fucking talented. 0.99

02:13:30.000 And both against legit dudes. 0.99

02:13:32.000 Yes.

02:13:35.000 Gabriel fought Mounir Lezez.

02:13:37.000 Yes.

02:13:38.000 He's a good fighter.

02:13:39.000 Very good fighter.

02:13:40.000 He made him panic shoot. 0.98

02:13:43.000 He pressured the shit out of him, and he made him, and that's his thing. 0.99

02:13:48.000 He's like, God. 0.95

02:13:49.000 And it's funny, they're both so well-rounded, but you can tell...

02:13:53.000 Gabriel forces guys into these grappling exchanges, whereas Ishmael, you can tell that dude just wants to take your head off.

02:13:59.000 But they can both do either one.

02:14:02.000 Both either one. 0.96

02:14:03.000 And also, like, the movement and management of distance is fucking phenomenal. 0.97

02:14:08.000 Like, elite world class. 0.97

02:14:09.000 I mean, that's what I said when you watch that fight.

02:14:11.000 I'm like, you're watching these guys in their debut fight in the UFC. Because they've been tested against legit talent.

02:14:16.000 If you look at the records of the guys they fought, they fought some legit dudes.

02:14:20.000 Whereas back in the day...

02:14:22.000 You know, you could be 10-0 getting to the UFC, and you might have fought one or two guys at the end there to get Joe Silva's attention back in the day.

02:14:30.000 Because I remember when you were trying to get in, he'd be like, you've got to go beat somebody for me to sign you.

02:14:35.000 You could be 15-0, but if you've beaten a bunch of guys that are all 0-10, you're going to get here with a great record and then get murdered.

02:14:44.000 Joe Silva was so brutal. 0.75

02:14:45.000 He was so brutal. 1.00

02:14:46.000 He sent my ass to Brazil. 1.00

02:14:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:14:48.000 Because we begged for a guy that was in the top 15. He's like, sure, here you go.

02:14:52.000 Gotta go fight Masa Nduba down in...

02:14:54.000 Anybody else?

02:14:56.000 He's like, that fight or no fight?

02:14:57.000 Yeah.

02:14:59.000 But I guess you kind of have to be like that.

02:15:01.000 But then if you got hurt, though, and I had a good relationship with Joe, but one time when I hurt my knee, I had to pull out.

02:15:08.000 He's like, unbelievable.

02:15:10.000 You're hurt?

02:15:11.000 You gotta pull out?

02:15:11.000 Great.

02:15:13.000 It's like, bro, I tore my meniscus.

02:15:15.000 What do you want me to do?

02:15:16.000 I had a bucket handle tear.

02:15:18.000 That's the worst.

02:15:19.000 I was at Cowboys Ranch doing this.

02:15:20.000 I was wheeling around in a chair because I couldn't stand up.

02:15:24.000 Yeah, the bucket handle tear is what I had.

02:15:26.000 It locked up.

02:15:27.000 It locks up.

02:15:27.000 That's horrible.

02:15:29.000 Terrible feeling.

02:15:30.000 I tried to rehabilitate mine.

02:15:32.000 I actually got it stitched up because it was the same knee that I tore my ACL and I got it stitched up.

02:15:36.000 But you just can't.

02:15:38.000 The meniscus just goes, man.

02:15:39.000 Yeah, it's just...

02:15:41.000 Wear and tear, man.

02:15:42.000 Do you know they're doing meniscus replacements now? 0.99

02:15:45.000 Yeah, back when I had it done, they're just cutting that shit out. 0.99

02:15:47.000 They're using cadaver meniscus now. 0.99

02:15:48.000 They're taking...

02:15:49.000 But apparently, as you get older, it's less and less effective.

02:15:53.000 Yeah, because it probably won't take...

02:15:54.000 Yeah, with blood flow.

02:15:56.000 It's just a blood flow thing.

02:15:57.000 But I always wonder, like, when they say blood flow, are they talking about that for elite athletes?

02:16:02.000 Like, how much blood flow are we talking about?

02:16:04.000 If you're talking about for a regular person...

02:16:06.000 Maybe because they're not training and they're not going to rehabilitate it to the extent that a guy like you would do.

02:16:11.000 Yeah, like my mom getting a meniscus versus us getting one who are going to go and work out every day.

02:16:16.000 It's going to be a different situation.

02:16:18.000 Yeah.

02:16:19.000 I don't know.

02:16:20.000 I always just thank God for medical science because just think about it.

02:16:24.000 I have both my ACLs reconstructed.

02:16:26.000 I would be a hobbling mess of a man if I lived at any other time.

02:16:30.000 Yeah.

02:16:31.000 My friend Steve.

02:16:32.000 You'd be broken.

02:16:33.000 I'd be broken.

02:16:33.000 I wouldn't be able to do it, and I could do everything.

02:16:35.000 It's crazy.

02:16:36.000 I mean, I'm 55, and my body works as good as it worked when I was 30, which is nuts. 0.89

02:16:41.000 With hormone replacement and stem cells and peptides and all this shit, it's amazing what you can do now. 0.88

02:16:47.000 When I was a kid, I thought of a 55-year-old man. 0.98

02:16:49.000 Like, that's a dead man.

02:16:51.000 Oh, yeah.

02:16:51.000 That's not a guy with a six-pack who's throwing kettlebells around.

02:16:55.000 It's a totally different world.

02:16:56.000 It is.

02:16:57.000 It is different.

02:16:57.000 I mean, I thought the same thing.

02:16:59.000 If you thought of...

02:17:01.000 Somebody that was even over 45, I'd be like, oh man, time to settle in and get old.

02:17:07.000 When I was a kid, when I was 19 years old, I used to work at an athletic club.

02:17:10.000 I worked at the Boston Athletic Club, and Bobby Orr used to come in and work out.

02:17:14.000 And Bobby Orr, who's one of the greatest hockey players that's ever lived, Bobby Orr can barely walk. 0.99

02:17:19.000 This poor guy, because he's had those old school surgeries where they would cut your leg open like a Yeah, you're screwed.

02:17:25.000 And just bolt things down and staple it together.

02:17:27.000 Well, Bobby would get on the VersaClimber machine, and we would have to help him get on this machine, because his legs would go, this is the range of motion, it goes from this to this.

02:17:38.000 Yeah.

02:17:38.000 I mean, never fully extended, that's his knee.

02:17:42.000 Bro, when you see it in real life, it's- Like a brain. 0.56

02:17:45.000 Yeah, it's horrible.

02:17:47.000 And again, I'm sure he probably has knee replacements now, but when they worked on his knee back then, look, it's black and white photos.

02:17:55.000 Look at his knees there, that photo there with the two of them, see the big scar, the color one down there? 0.99

02:18:00.000 Don't make me bust out the fucking thing. 0.99

02:18:02.000 I don't think that's him. 1.00

02:18:03.000 That's not him?

02:18:03.000 No, it just says old guy hockey.

02:18:05.000 Old guy hockey, knee replacement.

02:18:09.000 But those big slices like that.

02:18:11.000 Well, they do knee replacements now.

02:18:14.000 You know, Kelly Starr, who's a very famous strength and conditioning coach, he blew his knee out and eventually got a knee replacement.

02:18:22.000 And he says it's amazing.

02:18:23.000 He said he could do everything with it.

02:18:24.000 And Michael Bisping, both of his knees.

02:18:26.000 Yeah, he's got two of them.

02:18:27.000 Yeah.

02:18:28.000 Old guy hockey.

02:18:29.000 I think for me, it's just going to be my hip someday.

02:18:32.000 It's going to go.

02:18:33.000 No doubt.

02:18:34.000 Well, have you got any stem cells in there?

02:18:36.000 No.

02:18:36.000 Oh, you should.

02:18:37.000 You'd be amazed.

02:18:39.000 You'd be amazed at what they can do.

02:18:41.000 Take a trip down to Colombia, my friend.

02:18:43.000 I see everybody doing these things now, yeah.

02:18:46.000 Well, you know, Aljamain's doing that right now.

02:18:48.000 Aljamain, there was an article I read this morning, Aljamain is trying to avoid bicep surgery.

02:18:52.000 He has a torn biceps, and he's going down to Colombia right now to get it shot up.

02:18:58.000 Because they're trying to get him to fight, they're trying to get him to fight Henry Cejudo in April.

02:19:06.000 Sooner than he wants, yeah.

02:19:07.000 Right, so here we are right now, and we're in February.

02:19:11.000 That's really soon.

02:19:12.000 So you got March, April.

02:19:12.000 Yeah, I don't like it.

02:19:14.000 What does it say?

02:19:15.000 Next week, I'm off to Medellin, Colombia for bioaccelerator stem cell treatment program.

02:19:19.000 Very optimistic.

02:19:20.000 This will get me back and ready to compete sooner than later.

02:19:23.000 Well, this is where I'm a big fan of the Conor McGregor approach to avoiding the USADA testing pool.

02:19:30.000 Yeah.

02:19:30.000 You know?

02:19:31.000 I mean...

02:19:31.000 Just to heal up.

02:19:32.000 I don't know what Conor did.

02:19:33.000 I don't know what's happening when he's outside of that pool, but I've never seen a guy get that big before.

02:19:38.000 That big and...

02:19:41.000 He looks amazing.

02:19:42.000 Just recover from a broken shin like it was no big deal.

02:19:46.000 I mean, look at Chris Weidman.

02:19:47.000 He was having all kinds of complications with that thing.

02:19:49.000 It's not an easy surgery to come back from and infections and stuff like that can start to happen.

02:19:54.000 Look at Luke Rockhold who couldn't even get over a staph infection.

02:19:57.000 He still puts on sleeves on that shin.

02:20:00.000 Mm-hmm.

02:20:01.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

02:20:03.000 But that is better than the break.

02:20:05.000 The break is very rare that someone comes...

02:20:09.000 I mean, Anderson is the only guy that's really come back.

02:20:11.000 Wieden still hasn't come back.

02:20:13.000 No.

02:20:13.000 He hasn't had a fight since that fight with Uriah.

02:20:16.000 I mean, it's a devastating move.

02:20:19.000 And also, Tyrone Spong, when he fought Gokhan Saki, same thing.

02:20:23.000 It's horrifying.

02:20:24.000 It's like nightmare fuel, breaking your shin like that.

02:20:27.000 And as a fighter, you have...

02:20:30.000 Nightmares about that.

02:20:31.000 The first time that happened in the UFC was Corey Hill.

02:20:34.000 And I remember screaming at the referee, stop the fight.

02:20:38.000 Because the referee, I don't think he recognized it yet.

02:20:41.000 He recognized it eventually.

02:20:43.000 Didn't he step back on it too?

02:20:45.000 That's the worst they always do.

02:20:47.000 It's your instinct.

02:20:48.000 You don't even know.

02:20:49.000 Well, you don't know it's broken yet.

02:20:50.000 You just know it hurts.

02:20:51.000 I mean, how many times does it hurt and not break?

02:20:53.000 You know, that's the thing about shins. 1.00

02:20:56.000 It's like, when that thing snaps...

02:20:57.000 I'm surprised it hasn't popped...

02:20:58.000 They haven't had any crazy...

02:21:00.000 What is it called when it pops through the skin?

02:21:03.000 Compound fractures.

02:21:03.000 I'm surprised we haven't seen that.

02:21:05.000 Weidman did.

02:21:05.000 Weidman did, yeah.

02:21:06.000 Weidman's popped out the back of his leg.

02:21:08.000 Yeah.

02:21:09.000 Popped out the back of his calf.

02:21:11.000 I mean, Chris has been...

02:21:12.000 How many years out now?

02:21:13.000 Is it two?

02:21:15.000 That's been a while, man.

02:21:16.000 When was the Uriah Hall fight?

02:21:18.000 I want to say it was 20. I want to say it was 2020. It might be more than two years.

02:21:25.000 2020 or 2021?

02:21:26.000 I mean first kick he throws.

02:21:29.000 Full blast.

02:21:30.000 Just snap.

02:21:31.000 Oh god.

02:21:33.000 April of 2021. So yeah, we're closing it on two years now.

02:21:37.000 And still hasn't been able to come back. 1.00

02:21:40.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

02:21:42.000 Chris Weidman, that's another guy, man. 1.00

02:21:43.000 When he was in his prime, he was such a motherfucker, dude. 1.00

02:21:47.000 I mean, to take out... 1.00

02:21:49.000 Everybody.

02:21:49.000 When he beat Silva, though...

02:21:52.000 That was when we were all like, man, nobody's gonna beat this guy.

02:21:56.000 Can't beat this guy.

02:21:58.000 And he was beating Luke Rockhold, and he throws a wheel kick.

02:22:02.000 Isn't that wild?

02:22:03.000 That one kick, which, by the way, not a good kick either.

02:22:06.000 He's not good at it.

02:22:07.000 It's not his thing.

02:22:08.000 You're a wrestler, Chris.

02:22:09.000 Yeah.

02:22:09.000 I mean, why did he decide to do that?

02:22:11.000 And then he gets taken down and smacked.

02:22:13.000 And Luke Rockhold's top game...

02:22:16.000 Crushed him. 1.00

02:22:16.000 Oh, his top game is fucking nasty. 1.00

02:22:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:22:20.000 What he did to Lyoto Machida...

02:22:21.000 Yeah, I was in the stands for that one.

02:22:23.000 I was watching that one. 1.00

02:22:25.000 Look, Chris Weinman was a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:22:28.000 Here it is. 1.00

02:22:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:22:30.000 Chris Weidman was such a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:22:32.000 Look, he throws that. 1.00

02:22:33.000 That was so bad.

02:22:33.000 So bad.

02:22:34.000 And then he gets wrestled down.

02:22:36.000 He gets taken down and just destroyed.

02:22:38.000 I mean, it's such a bad kick.

02:22:41.000 And Luke Rockhold, when he gets on top of you, he's one of the worst guys to ever have on top of you.

02:22:46.000 The David Branch fight when he got on top of him and smashed him. 0.92

02:22:49.000 I mean, Luke was so fucking good at top game. 0.99

02:22:53.000 His fucking jujitsu is so underrated. 0.99

02:22:57.000 I mean, I don't even say it's underrated. 0.99

02:22:59.000 Yeah, he's good.

02:23:00.000 If he had just completely concentrated only on jujitsu, I think Luke could have been a world-class jujitsu competitor.

02:23:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:23:07.000 He's so fucking strong. 0.98

02:23:08.000 And he came up with that camp with DC and Cain Velasquez. 0.98

02:23:11.000 So he's like in there with these elite heavyweight wrestlers all the time.

02:23:16.000 He just loves that left kick as well.

02:23:18.000 Isn't it crazy, though, that one fight like that with Weidman just changes the trajectory of his career?

02:23:23.000 Before that, he's this destroyer.

02:23:25.000 The Lyoto Machida fight, I said.

02:23:27.000 Remember that fight?

02:23:28.000 He gets Lyoto down and just smashes him.

02:23:31.000 Yeah.

02:23:32.000 Bad.

02:23:33.000 And you're like, Jesus Christ.

02:23:34.000 Chris was so mentally tough. 1.00

02:23:37.000 So fucking good at everything great striker great wrestling tough as fucking nails. 0.98

02:23:43.000 It's almost like you get these one Moment where things don't go right and then you can't I don't know if it's the competition around you sees a weakness in you and then they aren't as Intimidated by you and then starts to but I think it also is just this game is So young, and people are getting so good so fast, man. 0.98

02:24:11.000 Nowadays, these kids, it's unbelievable how good they are.

02:24:16.000 19 years old?

02:24:17.000 He's not even.

02:24:18.000 18, right?

02:24:18.000 18 years old.

02:24:20.000 Fighting in the UFC. He's got a good fight, too.

02:24:23.000 He's fighting Christian Rodriguez, who I trained with at Rufus Sport for years.

02:24:27.000 Very good fight.

02:24:28.000 That's going to be a good fight.

02:24:29.000 Very good fight.

02:24:30.000 That kid is...

02:24:31.000 He had a little stumble on the Contender Series where he didn't make weight, didn't get signed on that, and then he lost his debut up at 45 to Jonathan Pierce.

02:24:40.000 Right?

02:24:41.000 Jonathan JSP? Mm-hmm.

02:24:44.000 But his last fight, he looked unbelievable.

02:24:46.000 The kid can grapple.

02:24:47.000 The kid's got unbelievable kickboxing.

02:24:50.000 I think he's training with Henry Cejudo and those guys now out in Arizona.

02:24:53.000 When you're that good at 18 and they're throwing you right to the wolves, it's just like, the sky's the limit for these guys.

02:24:59.000 And then, you know, there's a bunch of guys like that out there that are fighting in LFA, that are fighting in this organization.

02:25:05.000 Just going to these gyms, going to these mega gyms, and just, if you watch a practice, the mats are filled with these kids.

02:25:12.000 You're like, what the...

02:25:13.000 Beating up some UFC pros and something nobody knows who they are yet because they've grown up.

02:25:19.000 That's all they know.

02:25:20.000 They don't know, oh yeah, I did Taekwondo as a kid, and then I did some boxing, and then I did X, Y, and Z. It's like, no, I do MMA. And they get to watch all the best fighters ever.

02:25:30.000 If you go back to the early days of the UFC, what are they basing their style on?

02:25:36.000 Figuring it out.

02:25:36.000 Yeah, they were figuring it out as they went along.

02:25:39.000 And there's also a thing with fighters where when you're operating at like fucking redlining at this, you only have a certain amount of years.

02:25:47.000 Like I think there's like a principle that a lot of people try to apply.

02:25:50.000 I don't think it's universal, but it's a nine-year thing that as an elite...

02:25:55.000 MMA fighter, you really only have like nine years.

02:25:58.000 Yeah.

02:25:59.000 Nine years where you're just at the top and then eventually, like Tony Ferguson, we were talking about, or Fedor.

02:26:05.000 Fedor's another great example of that.

02:26:07.000 Yeah, where you're the GOAT. You're one of the greatest heavyweights, and then it's just like you're getting beat up.

02:26:12.000 The wheels fall off.

02:26:13.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:26:13.000 I feel like if you go back to those days, the early days of Pride, the Fedor that was dominating people in Pride was one of the most impressive fighters that has ever fucking lived. 0.96

02:26:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:26:25.000 God damn, he could do it all. 1.00

02:26:27.000 He could catch you with arm bars off of his back. 1.00

02:26:29.000 He would recover from being taken down and immediately roll into Kimura like the Randleman fight. 0.98

02:26:34.000 Yeah, get smashed on his neck. 0.81

02:26:36.000 Yes. 1.00

02:26:37.000 Looked like the person should be dead.

02:26:41.000 She'd be looking at a dead body and then... 1.00

02:26:42.000 Arm bar.

02:26:43.000 And, you know, again, it's like you only have so many years that you can operate at that level.

02:26:48.000 How many training camps can you get through?

02:26:50.000 How many times can your body take that kind of punishment?

02:26:53.000 That's where you gotta get out.

02:26:54.000 You gotta get out.

02:26:55.000 Even when maybe you think, oh, I got a few more fights.

02:26:59.000 Like, there's no doubt in my mind.

02:27:01.000 I have...

02:27:02.000 Five more fights that I could have done.

02:27:04.000 How old are you now?

02:27:06.000 38. 38. So you still...

02:27:08.000 It seems like the back of your fucking head. 1.00

02:27:11.000 Ow! 1.00

02:27:11.000 A little bit of an ember back there. 1.00

02:27:14.000 No, it's...

02:27:15.000 I mean, it's always...

02:27:16.000 But it's always going to be...

02:27:17.000 Listen, I'm trying to start an acting career.

02:27:20.000 I'm trying to do a triathlon career.

02:27:22.000 I'm trying to be a commentator.

02:27:26.000 You know what?

02:27:27.000 I'm lucky though, man, because you can see why guys overstay their welcome.

02:27:33.000 You gotta make money.

02:27:35.000 It's your job.

02:27:36.000 You didn't know anything else anymore.

02:27:38.000 And then suddenly everybody's like, retire!

02:27:41.000 And it's like... 0.99

02:27:42.000 Screw you. 1.00

02:27:43.000 What do you mean? 0.99

02:27:44.000 I'm 38. I'm 37 or 40. It's like, what do you mean retire?

02:27:49.000 What am I going to do now?

02:27:50.000 So you see why guys have to fight past that.

02:27:53.000 I was super, super lucky and blessed to get the commentary job where I can think, okay...

02:28:00.000 Do I want to keep fighting?

02:28:02.000 Why am I still fighting?

02:28:04.000 And I just didn't see a picture for the belt anymore.

02:28:06.000 And if I don't see a picture for the belt, I always told everyone around me, my mom, my loved ones, I said, if I don't think that I can fight and win the championship, I'll retire.

02:28:16.000 And that day came.

02:28:17.000 There's fights where guys take that one too many fights and it's just like you see it coming.

02:28:22.000 With Frankie, it was Chris Gutierrez.

02:28:24.000 I was like, Chris Gutierrez is so slick.

02:28:27.000 He's so good.

02:28:28.000 I didn't like that fight when I first heard it.

02:28:30.000 I did not like that fight.

02:28:30.000 I love watching Chris fight.

02:28:32.000 Chris is so fucking smooth and technical. 0.92

02:28:35.000 I just love his style, man. 0.96

02:28:38.000 He's good, man.

02:28:38.000 His movement and style and all the jukes and fakes.

02:28:42.000 And you're talking about a guy...

02:28:46.000 Who has unbelievable knees.

02:28:47.000 And that's been in his career.

02:28:49.000 Yes.

02:28:50.000 And you match him up with Frankie.

02:28:51.000 Yeah, and he catches him with the perfect knee and flatlines him with his kids in the audience.

02:28:57.000 And that's the other thing.

02:28:58.000 A lot of people are like, why don't you come back and do a retirement fight?

02:29:02.000 I'm like, why?

02:29:02.000 So I can get knocked out in front of everybody?

02:29:04.000 No, I like what you're doing.

02:29:06.000 I like that you found a new thing to do.

02:29:08.000 Never been knocked out.

02:29:09.000 That's amazing.

02:29:10.000 Never been knocked out. 0.99

02:29:11.000 You got a fucking amazing chin. 1.00

02:29:12.000 The only stoppage was due to the cut. 0.99

02:29:15.000 It's the only time I've been- What fight was that?

02:29:18.000 Trinaldo.

02:29:18.000 Oh.

02:29:19.000 Peeled my whole face off it.

02:29:22.000 Dude, you could see the whole eyebrow.

02:29:23.000 Yeah, the skull.

02:29:25.000 Yeah, well, that's an amazing accomplishment to fight the guys that you fought.

02:29:30.000 I got to fight Edson Barboza twice.

02:29:33.000 Barboza's switch kick to this day, when he was in his prime, Barboza had the craziest switch kick I think I've ever seen in my life.

02:29:39.000 It would be like you were watching a video and frames were removed or something.

02:29:43.000 Yeah, like how is he that fast?

02:29:45.000 And that's exactly how it feels when you're fighting him.

02:29:47.000 He would just move along and...

02:29:49.000 But it was interesting that, like, his hands never really matched the level of his kicks.

02:29:55.000 No.

02:29:56.000 Really wild, right?

02:29:57.000 Yeah.

02:29:57.000 I mean, he punched me a couple times.

02:30:01.000 I mean, as square on the jaw as you can hit somebody.

02:30:05.000 It's like...

02:30:06.000 I was never worried about his punches.

02:30:08.000 It was just his kicks. 0.76

02:30:09.000 Those kicks were preposterous. 0.95

02:30:09.000 And his knees. 0.95

02:30:10.000 Yeah.

02:30:11.000 Everything.

02:30:11.000 Like, even against the fence, if you're grappling for position and you just kind of dig a few in, you're like...

02:30:17.000 Yeah.

02:30:18.000 Well, that was one of the times that I knew how special Khabib truly was, was when Khabib got a hold of him and you saw this look on Edson's face, like this thousand-yard stare. 0.99

02:30:28.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:30:30.000 I thought the same thing. 0.99

02:30:31.000 That's when I was like, okay, I tried to do that, and that ain't easy to do to that guy.

02:30:38.000 And I've trained with Edson after the fact that I fought him the first time, and he's not an easy guy to hold down. 0.99

02:30:44.000 I mean, he's strong as shit. 0.99

02:30:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:30:47.000 And then you see Khabib's just like...

02:30:49.000 Boom! 0.99

02:30:51.000 Just sitting there smashing him.

02:30:53.000 Just had so much control and power.

02:30:55.000 What do you think happens to Jon Jones?

02:30:57.000 When Jon Jones gets up to heavyweight, we've never seen him fight...

02:31:00.000 I've heard all the training room stories about him ragdolling heavyweights. 1.00

02:31:05.000 Jon at heavyweight's going to be even better because he's not diminished by making that cut to 205. And Jon's always...

02:31:11.000 I mean, he definitely has a frame for a heavyweight.

02:31:13.000 And he looks good now.

02:31:14.000 He's 254, 253... 0.99

02:31:16.000 Big as fuck. 0.98

02:31:18.000 I'm excited about it because towards the end of his light heavyweight reign, he's kind of playing with his food a little bit out there, right? 0.99

02:31:27.000 And had that fight where a lot of people think he lost.

02:31:31.000 But really, I think a lot of it was just him being lazy, to be honest with you.

02:31:35.000 Now at heavyweight, I think we're going to see him come out and try to...

02:31:40.000 Well, hopefully. 0.82

02:31:41.000 Make some freaking statements. 0.84

02:31:42.000 Well, it's also, he has been out for all these years. 0.81

02:31:45.000 You know, he's been how many years now?

02:31:46.000 It's been two plus years since he's fought.

02:31:49.000 And, you know, you wonder, does he have ring rust?

02:31:54.000 Does he come back hungrier?

02:31:56.000 I definitely don't think he has ring rust.

02:31:58.000 But he's dealing with the most mobile and agile heavyweight in the business.

02:32:03.000 Three.

02:32:04.000 Three years.

02:32:05.000 Wow.

02:32:06.000 February 2020. Wow.

02:32:08.000 And the Dominic Reyes fight, the last fight that he had, arguably lost that decision.

02:32:12.000 I mean, many people.

02:32:14.000 In the moment, I thought he lost it.

02:32:17.000 You know, John is famous for doing just enough in training with some of those guys.

02:32:22.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:32:23.000 I think at heavyweight, hopefully...

02:32:25.000 Well, he's training with Cejudo, which I really like.

02:32:28.000 Yeah.

02:32:28.000 At least he's doing some of his camp with Cejudo, which I really...

02:32:30.000 Henry Cejudo is a goddamn genius. 0.98

02:32:32.000 He is a fight genius. 0.99

02:32:34.000 Well, I mean, you got a guy who...

02:32:37.000 Olympic champion, then double champion.

02:32:40.000 Clearly the man understands combat sports on another level.

02:32:44.000 He knows how to win.

02:32:44.000 And he knows how to win.

02:32:45.000 And Mighty Mouse told me when he went to train with him, he said he was so impressed by how systematic he was, and the game plan, his strategy, and how he puts everything together.

02:32:54.000 He said, I've never seen anybody that's so meticulous in their preparation.

02:32:58.000 Yeah, and you see that even in the fighters that he's training now on.

02:33:01.000 That's why I'm excited to see him come back.

02:33:03.000 I mean, put all the cringe stuff and all that, whatever.

02:33:05.000 That's kind of funny.

02:33:06.000 Right?

02:33:07.000 Yeah, that's his whole thing.

02:33:08.000 But his skills?

02:33:11.000 Oh, undeniable.

02:33:13.000 Undeniable.

02:33:13.000 I mean, the way he chopped down Dominic Cruz, I was like, oh my god.

02:33:16.000 Oh my god. 0.99

02:33:17.000 The way he beat the fucking brakes off of TJ Dillashaw. 0.99

02:33:20.000 Oh my god. 1.00

02:33:21.000 Oh my god. 0.99

02:33:22.000 I mean, he's a monster.

02:33:23.000 And the fact that he comes back from Mighty Mouse beating him in the first fight, quick. 0.67

02:33:27.000 Stopping him early with knees to the body.

02:33:29.000 And then comes back and beats him in the second fight after getting his calf kicked out from under. 0.97

02:33:34.000 Remember?

02:33:35.000 He got that drop foot.

02:33:36.000 That was one of the first times where we saw that.

02:33:38.000 What the hell is that?

02:33:39.000 Looks like his ankle's broken.

02:33:42.000 Came back and won the decision.

02:33:44.000 He knows how to win.

02:33:46.000 I love him and Aljamain.

02:33:47.000 That is a very fascinating fight because Aljamain's strength is his grappling. 0.97

02:33:51.000 You know, Aljamain, when he gets your back, dude, there's not a better fucking person in any division. 0.96

02:33:56.000 Aljamain, that backpack, woo! 0.99

02:33:58.000 Yeah, it's unbelievable how he does that, man. 0.88

02:33:59.000 And the way he looked against TJ, he looked against TJ like, obviously TJ had a fucked up shoulder in that fight, but Aljamain looked like a dominant champion. 0.54

02:34:07.000 Yeah.

02:34:07.000 He looked like he's coming into his own.

02:34:09.000 I mean, he's the perfect bill for 35. Fucking shredded. 0.99

02:34:12.000 Big boy. 1.00

02:34:13.000 Shredded at 35. Yeah, so muscular and strong and so fucking so talented and all just confident everything's together Yeah, and he's from the distance which is he's so good with his kicks right and that's something he works on constantly because When you think about it if you're a really strong grappler and you're a guy who you wanted to get to the ground You've got a great wrestling base Why wouldn't you work on?

02:34:37.000 Having those kind of weapons those long-range weapons like come on you try you try to close the distance on me Because if you don't I'm just gonna sit out here And I'm gonna kick the shit out of you literally with my kicks front kick the fuck out of your body I'm gonna front kick you. 0.99

02:34:49.000 I'm gonna roundhouse kick you. 1.00

02:34:50.000 I'm gonna learn some spinning kicks He was working I saw him doing a little bit of like traditional martial arts at the apex, but that's genius. 0.99

02:34:57.000 Yeah, because you're forcing Your opponents to have to close the distance and you're a freaking wrestler. 0.54

02:35:03.000 Well, Cowboy was always so good at that. 0.82

02:35:05.000 Cowboy would throw high kicks because his guard was so good.

02:35:07.000 People forget in the early days of Cowboy's career...

02:35:09.000 Oh, he wanted you to... 0.94

02:35:10.000 He was triangling the fuck out of people. 0.95

02:35:13.000 Cowboy's grappling is so underappreciated. 0.86

02:35:16.000 Oh, bro.

02:35:16.000 The amount of times that I have been choked by Donald Cerrone.

02:35:21.000 Those legs. 0.99

02:35:23.000 I hate it. 0.97

02:35:24.000 And you go at his ranch and he's up at freaking elevation in Edgewood, New Mexico. 0.53

02:35:28.000 So you're training at like 7,500 feet above sea level coming from Philly. 0.99

02:35:32.000 And then this dude's wrapping triangles and body triangles around you and just talking shit to you the whole time. 0.99

02:35:38.000 You're like, God. 1.00

02:35:39.000 Damn, I hate him. 0.99

02:35:40.000 Is it the size of him now? 1.00

02:35:42.000 He's yoked up right now.

02:35:44.000 I commented on his thing.

02:35:46.000 I was like, do you even lift, dude?

02:35:47.000 Like, what are you doing? 1.00

02:35:48.000 He comments on all my shit. 0.99

02:35:50.000 He's like, nope, that's where we're different. 1.00

02:35:53.000 I ain't doing any of that shit. 0.99

02:35:54.000 He's not lifting? 0.99

02:35:55.000 No, of course.

02:35:56.000 Yeah, he's definitely lifting.

02:35:57.000 That's why I made a joke.

02:35:58.000 He's gigantic now.

02:36:00.000 He's got to be 200 pounds now. 0.99

02:36:02.000 He's fucking gigantic. 0.99

02:36:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:36:03.000 That photo of him was wearing a tank top and you look at his arms. 0.99

02:36:07.000 He's massive.

02:36:08.000 And he was never like that.

02:36:09.000 He couldn't gain weight to save his life.

02:36:12.000 Yeah.

02:36:13.000 Back in the day.

02:36:14.000 No, you get older, man.

02:36:15.000 Mexican supplements, bro.

02:36:16.000 And some, you know, proper beef. 1.00

02:36:18.000 Look at the fucking neck on him! 1.00

02:36:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:36:20.000 Look at his neck!

02:36:21.000 That's preposterous.

02:36:22.000 Coach Ray.

02:36:24.000 Look at that.

02:36:25.000 Yeah.

02:36:26.000 It's an interesting time, man.

02:36:28.000 It's an interesting time to be a commentator.

02:36:30.000 It's an interesting time to be a fan.

02:36:31.000 There's just so much talent and so much going on.

02:36:34.000 And this is the only sport really in our lifetime where you can go back 20 years and it's almost unrecognizable.

02:36:41.000 The difference in the talent level between 2000 and 2023 is so extreme.

02:36:48.000 It's so different to watch.

02:36:50.000 How good guys have gotten.

02:36:52.000 They're everywhere.

02:36:53.000 Yeah.

02:36:54.000 They're good everywhere.

02:36:55.000 Everywhere.

02:36:55.000 From the jump.

02:36:56.000 These kids can do a flying knee, flying triangle, and then hit you with just a beautiful double leg and transition seamlessly in their wrestling. 1.00

02:37:05.000 And they know how to do it on the fence.

02:37:07.000 They know how to...

02:37:09.000 I hate it.

02:37:10.000 It's amazing.

02:37:13.000 And you've got to wonder, what are we looking at 10 years from now?

02:37:17.000 When you've got these Bonfim dudes coming in that are one fight in the UFC and he looks like a world champion.

02:37:25.000 You're going to see some crazy good fights and some crazy finishes, man.

02:37:31.000 Because as long as the competition keeps getting up like that, sometimes you're going to catch...

02:37:38.000 But, like, McKinney, to do that to...

02:37:40.000 Yes.

02:37:41.000 I know, do that to McKinney.

02:37:42.000 And to catch him like that.

02:37:44.000 And, you know, McKinney, to his credit, like, what a class act he is.

02:37:48.000 Like, after the fight, did shots with him and then posts it, you know, and posts a photo of the two of them together.

02:37:54.000 Good for him.

02:37:55.000 He's such a great character.

02:37:56.000 He's a good kid.

02:37:57.000 He's just, he's so young.

02:37:58.000 I mean, these guys, they take losses now.

02:38:01.000 It's like, dude, you just don't want to see too many of those kind of knockouts early in a kid's career, too.

02:38:05.000 It's like, God. 0.99

02:38:07.000 Pull up that card, that March card please, the one in Vegas, because that whole fucking card is crazy stacked. 0.98

02:38:14.000 Is this March 4th? 0.98

02:38:16.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:38:16.000 The whole card is so fucking stacked. 0.98

02:38:19.000 I'll be in Vegas for that one. 0.98

02:38:21.000 Not working, but I'll be doing a triathlon camp out there.

02:38:25.000 Valentina Shevchenko versus Alexa Grosso.

02:38:28.000 That's a great fight.

02:38:29.000 Jalen Turner.

02:38:31.000 Yeah, taking on Dan Hooker, dude. 1.00

02:38:32.000 Jalen Turner is a motherfucker, dude. 1.00

02:38:35.000 You talk about a guy coming into his own. 0.99

02:38:37.000 Jalen Turner, and he is as big as you can get at 155. Yeah, he's like 6'4", I think.

02:38:43.000 Bo Nickel and Jamie Pickett.

02:38:45.000 Oh, I love that.

02:38:47.000 I love that.

02:38:48.000 There you go.

02:38:48.000 Derrick Brunson versus Dracus Duplessis.

02:38:52.000 Yes.

02:38:53.000 Ian Gary. 1.00

02:38:54.000 He's a bad motherfucker too. 1.00

02:38:55.000 I'm not a... 1.00

02:38:56.000 Son Keenan.

02:38:57.000 Is that a debut?

02:39:00.000 No.

02:39:01.000 No.

02:39:01.000 He's had a few fights.

02:39:03.000 He...

02:39:03.000 I haven't seen...

02:39:04.000 I don't think I've commented on his fights.

02:39:05.000 I've seen him.

02:39:06.000 I think I called one of his fights. 1.00

02:39:09.000 Ian Gary's a bad motherfucker, too. 0.99

02:39:11.000 And you know what? 1.00

02:39:11.000 Ian had that one stand-up knockout, but I feel like his ceiling still hasn't been reached. 1.00

02:39:17.000 He hasn't really shown what he's going to do in the UFC yet.

02:39:22.000 No, I think so, either.

02:39:22.000 I still think he's got a lot to show, in a good way.

02:39:25.000 Oh, yeah.

02:39:25.000 Well, he's so young.

02:39:26.000 How old's Ian Gary?

02:39:27.000 He's got to be in his mid-20s. 1.00

02:39:29.000 He's young as fuck, man. 0.99

02:39:31.000 He's got massive, massive potential. 1.00

02:39:33.000 25 years old.

02:39:34.000 25. Woo! 0.84

02:39:35.000 Yeah, and tall, too, for the weight class.

02:39:38.000 Tall and slick.

02:39:40.000 Cody Garbrandt versus Julio Arce.

02:39:43.000 I think that might have changed.

02:39:45.000 I think Julio is out.

02:39:46.000 Oh, really?

02:39:47.000 I mean, it's not changed on there yet, but I think I just saw a post saying that he was out of that fight.

02:39:51.000 I don't know who Cody's going to fight, but...

02:39:54.000 Tough road for Cody.

02:39:55.000 There's another one, man.

02:39:56.000 Yeah, another guy.

02:39:57.000 The lead of the elite at one point in time, you know?

02:40:00.000 And then just...

02:40:01.000 Yeah.

02:40:01.000 And I know Cody's had trouble with...

02:40:04.000 I think he was knocked out really bad when he was young and up-and-coming, too.

02:40:10.000 Someone KO'd him very early on in his career, real bad.

02:40:13.000 Yeah.

02:40:15.000 And so, RSA injured, bounced from Cody Garvey in a fight.

02:40:18.000 Well, still enough time towards the ACL. Oh, yeah, there's tons of...

02:40:22.000 Oh, that's a sad...

02:40:23.000 Yeah, that's a bummer.

02:40:24.000 That's a bad one.

02:40:25.000 So, who do they get?

02:40:26.000 Yeah.

02:40:27.000 Not, no word.

02:40:28.000 No word were the promotion plans to keep Garbrandt on the fight card.

02:40:32.000 You know, with Cody Garbrandt, after all those KOs, you gotta wonder, like, how many more does he have left?

02:40:37.000 You know, when a guy gets KO'd a gang of times, like, there's a lot of people that it gets to a certain point in time, you're like, someone needs to step in and stop this from happening.

02:40:48.000 Yeah.

02:40:49.000 It was like four in a row or something for him.

02:40:51.000 Yeah.

02:40:51.000 You just, you're a young guy.

02:40:53.000 I, I, This sport's rough on our heads to begin with.

02:41:01.000 But when you've been put out, that's when you really got to think, hey, maybe it's time.

02:41:07.000 I mean, if he goes and gets on another win streak, but...

02:41:10.000 Well, Sugar Sean O'Malley was talking about this...

02:41:13.000 What's that gentleman he works with, Dan Gardner?

02:41:16.000 They're working on a concussion protocol to rehabilitate people from concussions and that there's things you can do to help yourself recover and heal.

02:41:27.000 Yeah, I mean, you think there's got to be, right?

02:41:29.000 Because...

02:41:33.000 It's got to be something with the fluids and what causes some people to have brain damage and other people don't.

02:41:40.000 The real issue too is I've talked to the doctors at the Cleveland Clinic.

02:41:46.000 I've been part of a study that they offer everybody in the UFC and a lot of NFL guys and all that.

02:41:52.000 Every year you go back and you do the same series of tests and they run the same exact scans.

02:41:57.000 And I went because I was having some headaches.

02:42:00.000 When I fought twice in a row I fought Ross Right after I fought Edson the first time and I for like a month I had a headache and I was like this is not normal And it turns out I just had a really bad concussion that I wasn't knocked out But it doesn't mean you don't have a concussion and I was having all these symptoms so I went and had all that testing done and I just recently last year I went back and it's amazing I mean I Aced everything that I failed the first time I had went.

02:42:30.000 My scans all came back clear and I was talking to the doctor.

02:42:33.000 And I was like, some of these guys will fight only a few times and have severe brain damage and all this kind of stuff.

02:42:38.000 Why am I showing no signs of any of that?

02:42:41.000 He's like, a lot of it's genetic.

02:42:43.000 William Mark Hunt.

02:42:44.000 Yeah.

02:42:46.000 Mark Hunt, like, you know, he jokes around about it.

02:42:48.000 He's like, mate, I'm Polynesian.

02:42:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:42:50.000 I can fucking take it. 0.99

02:42:51.000 It's true, man. 0.99

02:42:53.000 It's true. 0.99

02:42:53.000 Did you see Mark Hunt knock that fucking undefeated boxer out? 0.99

02:42:56.000 Did you see that? 1.00

02:42:57.000 No.

02:42:58.000 Bro.

02:42:59.000 Pull that up.

02:43:00.000 Mark Hunt, they bring him in.

02:43:02.000 He fights his cat in Australia.

02:43:04.000 This guy is this undefeated, up-and-coming, heavyweight boxer.

02:43:07.000 Young, good-looking guy.

02:43:09.000 And Mark Hunt puts it on him and flatlines him in front of everybody. 0.84

02:43:13.000 Crazy.

02:43:14.000 Huge, huge underdog, 40-plus years old, been through wars, former K-1 Grand Prix champion. 0.95

02:43:21.000 Don't let him touch your chin.

02:43:22.000 Oh, my God.

02:43:23.000 Mark Hunt, the king of the walkaway KO. So he's fighting this guy, Sonny Bill Williams.

02:43:29.000 Jacked out of his mind.

02:43:30.000 Jack, big, tall.

02:43:31.000 Look at him.

02:43:33.000 Mark looking like he's suffering through it.

02:43:35.000 And it's a boxing match, too, by the way. 1.00

02:43:37.000 He doesn't even get to kick you with those fucking tree trunks. 0.99

02:43:41.000 And Mark Hunt stopped him. 1.00

02:43:44.000 Mark Hunt was brought in.

02:43:46.000 He caught him with that right hand.

02:43:47.000 Mark Hunt was brought in to be the big name.

02:43:50.000 Look at that.

02:43:51.000 Left hook. 0.75

02:43:51.000 Boom. 0.75

02:43:51.000 Right hand. 0.75

02:43:52.000 Drops him.

02:43:53.000 Dude.

02:43:54.000 That's a huge win.

02:43:56.000 A huge win.

02:43:56.000 And I don't know if Mark Hunt's going to fight again.

02:43:59.000 That might be the end of it.

02:44:01.000 But this dude gets back up and Mark Hunt puts it on him.

02:44:04.000 Mark Hunt, one of the last guys.

02:44:05.000 Oh, look at that right hand.

02:44:06.000 Oh my goodness.

02:44:08.000 Oh my goodness.

02:44:08.000 Look at that left hook.

02:44:09.000 Oh! 0.60

02:44:10.000 Oh! 0.60

02:44:11.000 That's it!

02:44:13.000 He can't even on you. 0.99

02:44:15.000 Mark motherfucking Hunt. 1.00

02:44:17.000 What a savage. 1.00

02:44:19.000 What a savage he is. 1.00

02:44:20.000 What a fucking savage. 1.00

02:44:22.000 Yeah, that dude is... 1.00

02:44:24.000 You know, and he had that crazy lawsuit.

02:44:25.000 I don't know what happened with that.

02:44:26.000 I know.

02:44:27.000 Yeah.

02:44:28.000 I don't know what happened with it either.

02:44:30.000 But these legends, man.

02:44:32.000 You know, it's such an honor to be around these guys and just to get to see.

02:44:36.000 Oh, dude, I've gotten to call a couple of his fights.

02:44:39.000 And every time I interviewed him, I'm just like, bro.

02:44:43.000 I'm happy to just be calling your fight, dude.

02:44:46.000 Yeah, man.

02:44:48.000 I've been watching him. 0.97

02:44:50.000 Do pride fights, kickboxing fights, just, you know, doing shit like that for the longest time. 0.99

02:44:57.000 Bro, you took a Crow Cop high kick. 1.00

02:44:59.000 You took a Crow Cop high kick right on the fucking dome and just got up. 1.00

02:45:04.000 I mean, who does that? 1.00

02:45:05.000 No one else.

02:45:07.000 No.

02:45:07.000 Crow Cop cracks you.

02:45:09.000 I mean...

02:45:09.000 That was another one, man, that I loved him back in the day.

02:45:14.000 And then he comes over to the UFC and it just doesn't...

02:45:17.000 It didn't pan out.

02:45:19.000 I was so excited when he was coming over.

02:45:21.000 Coming from a striking background, that left kick, I'm like, hell yeah!

02:45:27.000 Remember when he fought Heath Herring?

02:45:30.000 His shin disappeared in Herring's body.

02:45:35.000 His left shin just went so deep in his body.

02:45:38.000 There's a photo of Cro Cop landing that left body kick.

02:45:42.000 It's just like folded over it.

02:45:44.000 It's literally like inside his ribcage.

02:45:47.000 It's so deep into his body cavity.

02:45:49.000 And that's the left kick, man.

02:45:50.000 Oh my god.

02:45:51.000 Look at this photo.

02:45:52.000 Look at that.

02:45:53.000 Oh yeah.

02:45:53.000 Dude!

02:45:54.000 Are you fucking kidding me? 0.99

02:45:55.000 You're peeing a lot of blood after that one. 0.99

02:45:58.000 Dude, Crow Cop's power kick, that left kick. 1.00

02:46:00.000 You know he would say, right kick, hospital, left kick, cemetery.

02:46:03.000 Yep.

02:46:06.000 My God.

02:46:07.000 That kick was so insane.

02:46:09.000 When you see that image of that thing, remember when he knocked out Vanderlei?

02:46:13.000 He lands that high kick on Vanderlei and flatlines him?

02:46:16.000 He split him open too, didn't he?

02:46:17.000 Oh my God.

02:46:18.000 Yeah, giant.

02:46:20.000 I mean, you know, what are you doing?

02:46:23.000 The dude with the mask on? 1.00

02:46:24.000 With the fucking mask on. 1.00

02:46:26.000 Yeah, that was very unnecessary. 1.00

02:46:29.000 But that's also pride. 1.00

02:46:30.000 Look at that fucking ball. 1.00

02:46:32.000 He would skip it right off the top of your head. 1.00

02:46:35.000 Get it over your gloves, man.

02:46:37.000 I mean, Mirko Krokop.

02:46:39.000 I mean, he had such a perfect style to transition from kickboxing to MMA because he was so explosive.

02:46:46.000 Whereas like some guys they were more technical and they would set things up more like I don't know if a guy like Ernesto Hoost would have been the best guy or a guy like Peter Hertz would have been the best guy to come over to MMA but he was the best guy to show what an elite level top of the food chain kickboxer would look like fighting in MMA. There it is.

02:47:05.000 Boom! 0.99

02:47:06.000 That's a bad one.

02:47:06.000 I remember that one.

02:47:07.000 That's Emelianenko.

02:47:08.000 Fedor's brother.

02:47:09.000 Fedor's brother.

02:47:10.000 Alexander.

02:47:11.000 But the Vandele Silva one was my favorite.

02:47:15.000 Dude, he was so good.

02:47:16.000 There it is.

02:47:17.000 Boom! 0.99

02:47:17.000 Yeah, man, it's another one that skips off. 0.99

02:47:19.000 It skips off the top of your freaking head. 0.98

02:47:22.000 He was so clever in how he set it up. 0.99

02:47:24.000 Boom! 0.99

02:47:24.000 See ya. 0.99

02:47:26.000 Oh my god.

02:47:27.000 Good night.

02:47:28.000 And that was the Pride days. 0.98

02:47:29.000 The Pride days were fucking amazing. 0.95

02:47:32.000 Dude, it was just like just calling Shogun's retirement fight. 0.95

02:47:35.000 Speaking of another case where...

02:47:37.000 Yeah, too many.

02:47:39.000 Calling your last fight, saying I'm gonna...

02:47:40.000 It's just never, never gonna work out.

02:47:43.000 Well, Shogun, like, you could see, like, all the wars are...

02:47:46.000 Like, you could see it on him.

02:47:48.000 His body didn't look right.

02:47:49.000 I think he's...

02:47:50.000 41 now or something like that?

02:47:52.000 But he's 41 in, you know, Vali Tudo years.

02:47:56.000 That's what I'm...

02:47:57.000 Dude, just think about the fights in the gym.

02:48:01.000 Oh, my God.

02:48:02.000 That that guy went through.

02:48:02.000 Oh, my God.

02:48:03.000 Yeah.

02:48:04.000 I mean, those old days with the Shoot the Box Academy, they would go to war. 0.91

02:48:09.000 They were trying to knock each other out?

02:48:10.000 Every day.

02:48:11.000 Every day.

02:48:12.000 Yeah.

02:48:13.000 And that's not good for longevity of the career.

02:48:15.000 No.

02:48:16.000 No.

02:48:16.000 But, I mean, that's...

02:48:18.000 Even when I was coming up, there was still a lot of that going on, man.

02:48:23.000 Oh, yeah.

02:48:23.000 You know, guys just...

02:48:24.000 I would get into fistfights, and we were just trying to knock each other out, and I'd look back, I'm like, that's so stupid. 1.00

02:48:30.000 So stupid. 1.00

02:48:31.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

02:48:32.000 But, I mean, what do you think is the balance, though? 1.00

02:48:35.000 Because I think there has to be some hard sparring just to prepare you.

02:48:38.000 100%.

02:48:39.000 So, I think you have to pick moments to do it, and I think you have to kind of really...

02:48:47.000 Have that be the day that you're doing those rounds, right?

02:48:50.000 And also have people that you're sparring with that are kind of trying to simulate the fight.

02:48:56.000 Whereas if you're just going around the room and sparring everybody in the room that day, like most gyms do now, where it's like you just, oh, let me grab this partner, let me grab that partner.

02:49:05.000 You're not getting to look for your fight.

02:49:07.000 You're getting pissed off.

02:49:08.000 Somebody hits you with something, you end up going to battle with them.

02:49:10.000 Whereas if it's more secured, kind of like how pro boxers do everything where...

02:49:15.000 You have your sparring partners.

02:49:16.000 That day is set up.

02:49:17.000 You're greased up.

02:49:18.000 You have somebody in the ring. 0.50

02:49:19.000 I think it needs to be very formalized like that when you're going to have your hard days so that you're not just off in the corner getting into a slugfest with some dude that's having a dick measuring contest with you, basically.

02:49:31.000 Isn't that- that's the hard conversation too about what kind of camp do you go to? 0.97

02:49:36.000 If you're an up-and-coming fighter, do you go to ATT where you got like 15 dudes who just flew in from Russia and they're staying in the dorms and they're fucking assassins? 0.98

02:49:44.000 You get spinning back-fisted to death? 0.78

02:49:47.000 Or do you start out a small gym?

02:49:49.000 I had this conversation with Joaquin Buckley where he was talking about he likes smaller gyms.

02:49:53.000 Because he gets individualized training and he gets a coach who's really looking at his development.

02:49:57.000 Yeah.

02:49:58.000 And setting up his camp.

02:49:59.000 Like, you're going to spar with this guy because this guy's going to emulate this for you.

02:50:03.000 Yeah, or we're even going to bring in guys because there's not enough guys here and you're probably the best guy in the room.

02:50:09.000 Right.

02:50:09.000 You need to...

02:50:10.000 I think that is the way to go.

02:50:13.000 And I think being able to bring people in to work with you as well and keep a good relationship with other fighters and other camps to kind of share sparring partners and bringing people in so that you...

02:50:24.000 You need to get the look that you want for that fight.

02:50:27.000 In hindsight, that's so overlooked, I think.

02:50:31.000 You just fight anybody.

02:50:33.000 It's like, well...

02:50:34.000 You know, on the day, somebody can get hurt, you might be stepping in.

02:50:37.000 It's like, yeah, but...

02:50:38.000 Is that optimal, though?

02:50:39.000 I mean, sometimes it is, because sometimes that makes your career.

02:50:42.000 Sometimes you get that last-minute fight, you step up, you win the fight, and then it rockets your career forward.

02:50:49.000 Yeah.

02:50:50.000 You take that chance.

02:50:51.000 You have that...

02:50:52.000 I mean, Jamal Hill, right?

02:50:54.000 I mean, that five-round fight.

02:50:55.000 Oh, yeah.

02:50:56.000 Fighting for the title.

02:50:57.000 You definitely have to be ready...

02:50:59.000 What a crazy move the UFC does, right?

02:51:01.000 Ankaliev and Bohovic have this fight, goes to a draw, which is just unheard of, right?

02:51:06.000 Everyone's like, what?

02:51:07.000 And then Danny gets pissed. 1.00

02:51:09.000 Fuck it. 1.00

02:51:10.000 You guys are gonna fight for the title now. 1.00

02:51:11.000 You're both out.

02:51:12.000 And like, what?

02:51:13.000 Now Glover and him are fighting in Brazil for the title.

02:51:16.000 But what a great fight, man.

02:51:17.000 What an amazing fight.

02:51:18.000 And for Jamal, that's the perfect opportunity.

02:51:21.000 Like, what an opportunity.

02:51:23.000 He goes in there and fights in Glover's hometown and wins the title.

02:51:28.000 Yeah, and...

02:51:30.000 Anthony Smith gets kind of cast to the side.

02:51:34.000 Well, Anthony didn't make weight either, which is worse, because Anthony was the substitute.

02:51:39.000 Yeah, he was talking to me too, and he really felt like it was going to plan, but there's no motivation, man.

02:51:47.000 That's where those things are tricky too, right?

02:51:49.000 It's like, what are you pushing yourself in that sauna for?

02:51:53.000 It's like, you know you're not fighting.

02:51:54.000 Glover's never gonna fall out of a fight.

02:51:57.000 No, and Jamal's not exactly a...

02:51:59.000 Jamal's not gonna fall out of a fight either.

02:52:00.000 Yes, his opportunity right now.

02:52:02.000 And he was dialed in the whole week, and Anthony knows that.

02:52:05.000 Right.

02:52:05.000 So I feel like there was just a little bit of lack of motivation, unfortunately.

02:52:09.000 Although...

02:52:09.000 Perhaps.

02:52:10.000 It's free money. 0.99

02:52:11.000 It's free money, but it's also like, God damn, man. 0.99

02:52:14.000 What a brutal thing to do to your body for no reason. 0.99

02:52:16.000 And I don't...

02:52:19.000 I don't know.

02:52:19.000 Does he get anything?

02:52:21.000 But the day of the fight, the day of the weigh-ins, rather, they should know.

02:52:26.000 Like, Jamal, he should know.

02:52:28.000 Like, I don't have to make the weight.

02:52:29.000 Don't make the weight.

02:52:30.000 Yeah.

02:52:30.000 Like, if you're going to be the...

02:52:31.000 I mean, what's going to happen?

02:52:33.000 What could happen between the weigh-in and the fight?

02:52:36.000 It's so rare.

02:52:37.000 It would have to be a stomach issue.

02:52:38.000 Yeah.

02:52:39.000 Pretty much. 0.99

02:52:39.000 Or someone is so fucked up from the weight cut. 0.99

02:52:42.000 That they just don't come back from it. 0.99

02:52:44.000 And Glover at this point in his career is not that guy.

02:52:48.000 He's dialed in.

02:52:49.000 Jamal was dialed in.

02:52:51.000 Jamal doesn't lose a lot of weight either.

02:52:52.000 No.

02:52:53.000 Jamal's pretty light.

02:52:54.000 And he brought in Ian and he had him cooking for him the whole day.

02:52:59.000 He was not going to miss weight.

02:53:00.000 He was not going to miss weight for that opportunity.

02:53:03.000 Yeah, it's hard.

02:53:04.000 I've never been the backup for anything like that.

02:53:06.000 I've never had to go through that.

02:53:07.000 When did they start doing that?

02:53:10.000 I'm trying to think.

02:53:11.000 Fairly recently, right?

02:53:13.000 Within the last five or six years?

02:53:14.000 I know when Habib and Tony, when that kept falling out, I think that's when they were like, you know what?

02:53:20.000 We should probably start having some backups for these types of situations.

02:53:25.000 And there's been another time where somebody missed really bad.

02:53:28.000 We were talking about how...

02:53:29.000 Oh my God, I'm going to blank on his name.

02:53:35.000 What weight class?

02:53:36.000 Welterweight.

02:53:38.000 Vicente Luque took a backup spot on like super short notice.

02:53:43.000 I think he missed by like 12 pounds.

02:53:44.000 Oh god.

02:53:45.000 Oh no. 0.99

02:53:47.000 Well some of those guys are so fucking big. 0.98

02:53:49.000 They're so big and they're like, it's a hard opportunity to turn down, right? 0.97

02:53:52.000 It's like, hey listen, you might fight, but chances are you're not, but we're gonna pay you to fight.

02:53:56.000 Well, I mean, there's guys like Pajeda that can't make weight unless you give him three months.

02:54:03.000 Yeah.

02:54:03.000 Which is so bonkers.

02:54:04.000 And I think Vicente probably was in that department where it was like, I'm not going to make this on...

02:54:09.000 I think it was super short notice that he took it. 0.99

02:54:11.000 I could be also talking out of my ass right now. 0.98

02:54:13.000 Hamzat was talking about he wants to fight Pajeda, and Pajeda's like, good, let's fight a light heavyweight in Brazil. 0.99

02:54:18.000 72 hours?

02:54:19.000 Oh.

02:54:20.000 72 hours ago that it was in that position.

02:54:23.000 Didn't feel that.

02:54:24.000 Hmm.

02:54:25.000 Interesting.

02:54:27.000 Just explaining, the backup fighter, I was trying to find the history of it, and as you were talking about it, they were talking about it.

02:54:33.000 Interesting.

02:54:35.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

02:54:36.000 Vicente Lucia back up for coming in at 100. No, not that bad.

02:54:41.000 He only came in at 172. Who told me 12 pounds?

02:54:44.000 Maybe he had to lose 12 pounds in a day or something like that.

02:54:46.000 I'm going to have to find that source and get mad at him now.

02:54:50.000 What do you think of Kamaru Usman rematching Leon Edwards in London?

02:54:54.000 I love that it's in London for Leon, but I just, based on how that fight was going the first time, I think Kamaru's going to go in there and be much more dialed in and not allow a moment like that to happen again.

02:55:12.000 I think he's going to be able to pull it off and win.

02:55:15.000 Well, it's hard to say, man, because when you watch a guy like Leon Edwards realize that he could KO Kamara with one shot, and then he pulls it off and did it, and also took him down in the first round, now he's the champion.

02:55:30.000 He's got that championship confidence, that championship rub.

02:55:33.000 Yeah.

02:55:34.000 Who knows?

02:55:35.000 And he's in London.

02:55:35.000 I agree.

02:55:36.000 I think he's going to have a lot more confidence coming into this one, and the London crowd is...

02:55:42.000 A real thing.

02:55:43.000 I mean, the last few that I've worked there, man, they make Brazil seem quiet anymore.

02:55:49.000 I mean, that crowd there is just crazy.

02:55:52.000 And then you also have to realize that one of the beautiful things that Leon's done is he did it all from home.

02:55:58.000 Like, he really didn't join American Top Team or TriStar.

02:56:02.000 He didn't join a big camp.

02:56:03.000 No, he tried, and he hated it.

02:56:05.000 He didn't want to be away from home, and he just...

02:56:08.000 And we've talked to him a lot about this and he realized that he can be at home working with good wrestlers and doing all that kind of stuff and focused on himself and not going away to America just to work his wrestling.

02:56:22.000 He's like, how about you develop everything else and become a better fighter for the style that you're going to bring to the table as opposed to trying to put yourself into this American style wrestling camp and just not working on yourself.

02:56:37.000 And you go to these big gyms, especially early on in his career, and you're just getting, okay, yeah, go over here and work with so-and-so.

02:56:45.000 You're not getting that attention.

02:56:46.000 You stay back home in England, and you're the star pupil.

02:56:49.000 You've got everybody working around you.

02:56:51.000 Yeah, the amount of hype that's going to be on that.

02:56:52.000 And then there's the other thing with Camaro.

02:56:54.000 Camaro is famous for having knee problems.

02:56:57.000 He has horrendous knees.

02:56:59.000 Yeah, he can't even walk down steps, right?

02:57:01.000 Yeah, he walks down steps backwards, yeah.

02:57:03.000 Which is crazy that when he fights, he puts that all out the window.

02:57:06.000 But when Leon took him down, he tripped him on his bad knee.

02:57:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:57:11.000 I mean, both his knees are fucked, but one of his knees is worse. 0.99

02:57:14.000 And he trips him on his bad knee, and his knee folds over, and he goes back down. 0.99

02:57:18.000 And, you know, Kamara's been pretty open about it, saying, I don't know how much longer my body's going to hold up.

02:57:23.000 Yeah.

02:57:23.000 He's also been pretty open about the fact that when his career's done, he's probably going to get his knees replaced.

02:57:27.000 He's probably going to have to.

02:57:29.000 I mean, his knees are chewed up, man.

02:57:31.000 Yeah.

02:57:31.000 Real bad.

02:57:32.000 Yeah, I remember being at...

02:57:34.000 We did a thing, the UFC, when they were getting ready to start the PI at Exos, I think, out in Arizona, which is kind of like the Performance Institute for...

02:57:45.000 NFL players trying to get back into the big league.

02:57:48.000 Players in their offseason are rehabbing.

02:57:51.000 It was me, him and Max Holloway and Kelvin Gastelum actually that were all part of the group and they used to send a bunch of us to kind of test it out and give feedback on all that.

02:58:01.000 It's amazing that he's Dominate it the way he has with those knees.

02:58:07.000 Oh my god, it's just mental strength.

02:58:09.000 It's his mind.

02:58:10.000 He just pushes through.

02:58:13.000 Will Harris, who has done an amazing job of documenting the Dagestan Chronicles, and Will's the best.

02:58:20.000 He's the best.

02:58:21.000 When it comes to MMA, like, documentaries and covering these guys, like, he's such a good guy that everybody, like, lets him in.

02:58:31.000 They trust him.

02:58:32.000 And then, you know, he gets all this behind-the-scenes footage.

02:58:35.000 Oh, yeah.

02:58:36.000 You know, he's got footage of Kamara where Kamara was, like, openly talking about it.

02:58:40.000 Like, I don't know how much longer my body's going to hold up.

02:58:42.000 Yeah.

02:58:44.000 It's all the wrestling for years and years and years.

02:58:46.000 And just genetics, right?

02:58:48.000 Might just...

02:58:49.000 Yeah.

02:58:49.000 Once those knees go early and you just pound on them.

02:58:54.000 And just wrestling in general, man.

02:58:55.000 Especially freestyle like that.

02:58:57.000 Brutal.

02:58:59.000 So many guys have blown out knees by the time their career is over.

02:59:01.000 Yeah, that necks.

02:59:03.000 They're just necks.

02:59:05.000 Oh, yeah.

02:59:05.000 Even just anybody that's ever done any kind of grappling, you know how it is.

02:59:09.000 How about Aljamain?

02:59:10.000 Aljamain has a fake disc in his neck.

02:59:12.000 Yeah.

02:59:12.000 And you see a lot of guys have that kind of injury.

02:59:15.000 Weidman has that.

02:59:15.000 Yeah, man.

02:59:16.000 Even an old coach of mine, I remember him having his neck fused together back in the year.

02:59:22.000 That's scary, man.

02:59:24.000 Boss Rootin, that's the beginning of his problems.

02:59:26.000 He got his neck fused and now his arm.

02:59:28.000 And then you have like no range.

02:59:29.000 We start losing.

02:59:30.000 Yeah, you start losing feeling in your arms. 1.00

02:59:33.000 Scary shit. 1.00

02:59:33.000 No thanks. 1.00

02:59:35.000 It's a wild way to live your life.

02:59:38.000 To decide that for the glory and the challenge and just the This overwhelming difficulty of becoming a world-class fighter or a world champion fighter that you put yourself through so much.

02:59:54.000 It's funny that you bring that kind of up because it's hard to talk to people about why you do it if you don't understand it, right?

03:00:04.000 Like, if you've never done combat sports or ever have that desire to fight and just be one of the best...

03:00:11.000 It looks crazy to anybody on the outside.

03:00:14.000 We look like we're absolutely lunatics, but it's competition to us. 0.99

03:00:18.000 I don't look at a fight and think, I'm going to fucking kill that person because I just want to be violent. 0.99

03:00:23.000 It's like, I want to be better than that person. 0.98

03:00:26.000 You want to achieve something that's...

03:00:30.000 Seems crazy to other people and I think that's what obsesses a lot of us about it is that you want to do something that 99% of the people in this world are terrified of doing and Walking to that cage is definitely one of the scary things aside from like anybody of active military and does all that kind of stuff That's another level.

03:00:49.000 That's what I can't imagine.

03:00:51.000 Yeah, that's another level.

03:00:52.000 And any of my friends that have served and done that, I'm like, they're like, man, I don't know how you fight and do this.

03:00:56.000 I'm like, whoa. 0.88

03:00:57.000 Crazy. 0.56

03:00:58.000 You fought in wars.

03:00:59.000 Right.

03:00:59.000 What are you talking about?

03:01:01.000 That's the highest level.

03:01:02.000 That's the highest level.

03:01:03.000 And those guys, it's the same sort of situation.

03:01:04.000 They oftentimes want to go back.

03:01:06.000 Yeah.

03:01:07.000 It's like the thrill of that.

03:01:09.000 Yep.

03:01:09.000 I can't imagine.

03:01:10.000 Because I know what it's like to want that fight feeling, to want that...

03:01:16.000 Desire to get your hand raised whether good bad or ugly and You have like a depression when it's done man And I'm sure you've heard other fighters talk about this whether you win or lose You build up to this moment this fight camp.

03:01:28.000 I'm fighting this guy.

03:01:30.000 I'm gonna get to the octagon and then it's done You're like ah Well, that, I mean, times 10 with most people at the end of their career.

03:01:38.000 Yeah.

03:01:39.000 Because now what?

03:01:40.000 Yeah, now, the big now what.

03:01:42.000 Yeah, what do you do?

03:01:43.000 And that's one of the things that I think is beautiful about what you've done.

03:01:46.000 You've found something that's a challenge that can occupy your mind and your will and learn things along the way.

03:01:54.000 And it's the same feeling, though.

03:01:55.000 When that race is done and I cross that finish line, as soon as it's done, you're like, oh... 0.99

03:02:01.000 And everybody around is like, you fucking got your PR. That's great. 0.99

03:02:05.000 You had your best run.

03:02:06.000 You did this.

03:02:06.000 Or your swim was really good.

03:02:07.000 And it's like, now what?

03:02:09.000 I want to go faster.

03:02:11.000 It's not fast enough.

03:02:12.000 Well, the guys are the real wild ones.

03:02:15.000 Like, I've always wondered, like, how does Jon Jones deal with retirement?

03:02:19.000 Like, is Jon so wild?

03:02:21.000 Like, what is Jon going to do when it's all done?

03:02:23.000 I mean, for the last three years, Jon has been thinking, okay, I'm going to build up to become a heavyweight.

03:02:28.000 Yeah, he still had a goal.

03:02:30.000 Extensive weightlifting program, obviously put in all this work to get so big and really built himself up to be a legitimate heavyweight.

03:02:40.000 And now, I mean, and also John is what, 36 now?

03:02:44.000 How is John now?

03:02:45.000 I don't know.

03:02:46.000 How was Jon Jones?

03:02:47.000 When you go back to Jon Jones' first fight with Shogun, fighting for the world title, I always tell you this, one of the wildest things I've ever seen, the guy's fighting for the world title, 35, youngest guy ever to win the title, he opens up against a legend with a flying knee.

03:03:03.000 I mean, it's just wild!

03:03:06.000 Jon was just wild.

03:03:07.000 And doing that on, like, an hour of sleep.

03:03:12.000 You know what I mean?

03:03:13.000 Dude, I can remember even back at Jackson's when we'd be there, he'd come rolling in and you could, you know, I didn't know him personally then, so I don't know what he was doing, but you could tell.

03:03:23.000 Partying.

03:03:23.000 He was probably partying and he'd come in and just...

03:03:26.000 Beat everybody's ass. 1.00

03:03:27.000 Clean the room, man. 1.00

03:03:29.000 Talent.

03:03:30.000 Just no issue.

03:03:32.000 Talent is not fair in its distribution.

03:03:35.000 It is not.

03:03:36.000 No.

03:03:36.000 Not at all.

03:03:38.000 And that's why so many people get so pissed.

03:03:41.000 It's like, I did everything right. 1.00

03:03:44.000 And this guy rolls in and kicks your ass. 1.00

03:03:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:03:48.000 I'm very curious to see how he handles Cyril Ghosn. 1.00

03:03:51.000 Because Cyril Ghosn is so fucking smooth and fast on the feet. 0.96

03:03:56.000 The KO of Tai Tuivasa. 0.97

03:03:59.000 All the kicks that he was showing in that one.

03:04:01.000 My God.

03:04:02.000 The body work.

03:04:03.000 My God.

03:04:04.000 But then you have to think, Francis out-wrestled him.

03:04:09.000 And took him down.

03:04:10.000 That's the big...

03:04:11.000 Yeah.

03:04:12.000 And if Francis can take him down and out-wrestle him...

03:04:14.000 What the hell is Jon Jones going to do with him?

03:04:16.000 What is Jon Jones going to do with him?

03:04:17.000 Or is Jon Jones as effective as a heavyweight?

03:04:21.000 Because of the size.

03:04:22.000 That's the thing.

03:04:22.000 It's like, well, Francis might not be the strongest wrestler, but he's...

03:04:26.000 Humangous.

03:04:27.000 Right.

03:04:27.000 So, even though he might not have the technical skills that John does, just...

03:04:31.000 Physical strength and...

03:04:33.000 That's what I keep saying to everybody that asks me any questions about that one.

03:04:36.000 I'm like, we're gonna...

03:04:36.000 We're gonna find out.

03:04:37.000 I don't know.

03:04:37.000 This is truly one.

03:04:38.000 We don't know.

03:04:39.000 We have nothing to base it on because we can hear Jim's stories about how he handled heavyweights, but...

03:04:46.000 What's that like in the octagon on fight night?

03:04:48.000 Also, Cyril Gantz had ample opportunity to prepare for that kind of wrestling strategy.

03:04:54.000 Whereas, I bet with Francis Ngannou, he didn't think Francis was going to try to take it down.

03:04:58.000 No, not like that.

03:04:59.000 He probably didn't prepare for a grappling match at all.

03:05:01.000 Probably prepared for movement and try to outpoint him.

03:05:03.000 And then suddenly you find yourself getting put on your back.

03:05:07.000 And then you gotta think, like, athleticism, Cyril Ghosn is so athletic and he's such a good striker.

03:05:12.000 When was the last time John fought a guy who was that athletic and a good striker?

03:05:15.000 Well, that's Dominic Reyes.

03:05:17.000 Yeah, and it gave him a lot of trouble.

03:05:18.000 Gave him a lot of trouble.

03:05:19.000 And Dominic Reyes is another one, right?

03:05:21.000 Like, at the top of the heap, and then all of a sudden, boom, he just keeps getting flatlined.

03:05:26.000 And he's still talking about, you know, his next fight and coming back, I'll be back. 1.00

03:05:30.000 I'm like, Bro, Ryan Spann is a motherfucker, dude. 0.99

03:05:34.000 There's a guy that's super talented, and when he's training and in shape... 0.99

03:05:38.000 Yeah, well, he said he's not even been...

03:05:40.000 Yeah, so he wasn't even training.

03:05:42.000 Bro, he knocked him out with kind of a jab hook, but it's just the speed and precision and...

03:05:49.000 Yeah, he's a freak. 0.97

03:05:50.000 He's a freak. 0.99

03:05:51.000 You get these guys that are just super fucking talented that just find their place. 0.98

03:05:56.000 It's funny to see when they realize, oh, I can be a lot better if I train. 0.99

03:05:59.000 It's like, yeah, no shit, dude. 0.99

03:06:01.000 I can't believe it took you this long. 0.99

03:06:04.000 Oh, I never even trained.

03:06:05.000 I'm like...

03:06:06.000 Yeah, and you know, you talk to Safe Sayoud, and he'll tell you, like, you ain't even seen the best of this guy yet.

03:06:10.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:06:11.000 Like, he's fucking good. 0.98

03:06:13.000 It's just like, what a wild time. 0.99

03:06:16.000 It's a wild time for this sport.

03:06:17.000 Yeah, it's good.

03:06:18.000 So exciting.

03:06:19.000 It's very exciting.

03:06:21.000 All right, Paul Felder.

03:06:22.000 I'm glad we did this, man.

03:06:23.000 We've been talking about doing this for a while.

03:06:24.000 It was a lot of fun.

03:06:25.000 I know, man.

03:06:25.000 And, you know, it was the thing.

03:06:26.000 I never wanted to be that guy that was going to bug you about it.

03:06:29.000 I'm like, I get to see Joe.

03:06:30.000 I talk to Joe.

03:06:31.000 I work with him.

03:06:32.000 When the time is right, he'll eventually ask me to do this thing.

03:06:36.000 And here we are, and we did it.

03:06:37.000 We did it.

03:06:37.000 Thank you very much for being on, man.

03:06:40.000 So, when are we working together again?

03:06:41.000 Do you know?

03:06:42.000 I don't know.

03:06:43.000 Do you know the next one you're calling?

03:06:45.000 Well, I mean, I know I'm doing the 18th.

03:06:47.000 I'm doing Sanhagen and Vera is the next one I'm working.

03:06:51.000 I was actually thinking of flying in for that.

03:06:52.000 Oh, if you're going to...

03:06:53.000 Not even...

03:06:55.000 I want to go to watch.

03:06:56.000 Just go watch, yeah.

03:06:57.000 Yeah, that's on February 18th.

03:06:58.000 Yeah, it's at the Apex.

03:06:59.000 Yes, that... 0.96

03:07:01.000 I fucking love that fight. 0.99

03:07:03.000 I fucking love... 0.99

03:07:04.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

03:07:05.000 Krylov and Spann, February 25th.

03:07:08.000 Woo! 0.99

03:07:09.000 That's also at the apex.

03:07:10.000 Yeah.

03:07:11.000 Woo! 0.99

03:07:11.000 I like that fight. 0.99

03:07:12.000 And Krylov is...

03:07:13.000 Krylov is a bad man.

03:07:15.000 I like that dude, man.

03:07:15.000 I was so surprised he stopped Gustafson like that.

03:07:18.000 Just stormed the gates and just came out guns blazing and put Gustafson in one.

03:07:22.000 He's powerful, man.

03:07:23.000 Sanhagen and Vera is a fight. 0.99

03:07:26.000 That is a fucking intriguing contest. 0.99

03:07:29.000 That's gonna be bloody. 0.99

03:07:30.000 That was the one where I was like, man, I might fly in for that one.

03:07:34.000 And Talia Santos versus Aaron Blanchfield.

03:07:37.000 Blanchfield, man.

03:07:39.000 She's tough. 0.99

03:07:40.000 She's fucking good, dude. 0.98

03:07:41.000 Very exciting. 0.99

03:07:42.000 Ah, and Benoit Saint-Denis.

03:07:45.000 That kid's good, too, man.

03:07:46.000 This French, like, Special Forces guy.

03:07:48.000 He's talented.

03:07:50.000 Yes, he is.

03:07:51.000 It's a great time to be a fan, my brother.

03:07:53.000 Yes, sir.

03:07:53.000 Thank you very much for being here.

03:07:55.000 Appreciate you.

03:07:56.000 Great working with you, always.

03:07:57.000 Thank you, sir.

03:07:57.000 Fun hanging out.

03:07:58.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 06, 2011

JRE MMA Show #135 with Paul Felder

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