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00:00:17.000I love what you've done because I think every professional athlete, every fighter, when you're done competition, you need something to drive you.
00:00:27.000And you decided to go into triathlons, which I think is fucking awesome.
00:01:04.000He's just running to run all the time and there's no there's no structure or anything and I found one of his workouts in Arizona where he was running it was like 107 degrees and he's doing like crazy tempo workouts and I was like, oh my god.
00:01:20.000So, like, all your runs kind of break down into, you know, you have your easy miles, aerobic, right?
00:01:26.000And then you have where you kind of go a little bit, you're not quite going as hard as you're going to go for a race, and that's like tempo.
00:01:32.000So you're upping your heart rate into that kind of zone three area where you're keeping it right there.
00:01:37.000You're not going threshold, which, you know, kind of just below all out.
00:01:42.000And he was doing that, and it was like a hundred and something degrees.
00:01:44.000And I was like, this dude's out of his fucking mind.
00:01:47.000And I started following all his stuff, and then I started realizing how crazy this sport is.
00:01:51.000If you really watch these guys, I mean, they're freak athletes, these guys.
00:01:56.000Wrestling, jujitsu, kickboxing, boxing, traditional martial arts.
00:02:00.000Well now, I found this other sport that's totally new to me, that I know nothing about, that I can dive into, and it's all these different disciplines.
00:02:08.000So I can be an idiot all over again, and not just pick one sport, I can do all three of these things.
00:03:15.000Unless you're doing like Super League stuff, which is this other organization that's now kind of mixing up the order of which they'll do things.
00:03:22.000A lot of these races, they'll do swim, bike, run, swim, bike, run, swim, bike, run.
00:03:28.000So these dudes are literally, and women, are tucking their caps and their goggles and stuff while they're riding on the bike and stuff like that.
00:03:35.000And then they pull it back out as they're sprinting to the water, putting their cap back on their goggles and diving in after having just run, you know, probably like sub five minute miles, diving back into the water to not be able to breathe correctly.
00:03:49.000It's just the scariest thing of it all.
00:04:15.000I remember the first time I saw you when we were getting ready for a show, we were in the green room, getting changed, and I was like, what are you doing?
00:05:42.000Of an endurance sport, whereas MMA is not, as much as we want to say you have to have great endurance, and you do, which most guys still seem to don't understand that, but it's not the same.
00:05:53.000Like 25 minutes is the longest fight that we could possibly have.
00:07:12.000Like, you're in a cage fight with all these people watching, and you got this crazy son of a bitch going, come on, man, that's all you got?
00:09:54.000And some lady was snorkeling with her husband, and the guy pops his head up, and they're screaming at him from the shore, get back in shore, and he looks over, and there's all this blood in the water and thrashing.
00:10:04.000He gets to the shore, and he realizes it's his wife.
00:11:42.000It could be like in a development and there's like a little pond and they might just be like, oh, I'm just going to go take a splash in here.
00:15:21.000Like, I remember one time my mom ended up getting into this huge argument with this guy because I was hitting her son too hard in a martial arts competition.
00:15:54.000And I kind of stopped training hardcore but still taught karate at the school that I got my black belt at when I was a kid while going to school in Philly for acting.
00:16:07.000And then I was working professionally in like the Philadelphia theater scene, which isn't anything major, but there's some good professional theater companies there.
00:20:41.000You know, years, dude, think about, like, you know how it is.
00:20:44.000The years and years of you doing strength and conditioning and you building up those muscles and your bones get denser and stuff like that.
00:20:50.000So, I mean, by the time I got to the UFC plus, The lightweights were so big, I remember thinking, like, I have to be bigger than these guys.
00:20:59.000And I had this complex that I had to weigh so much so I'd go and get so fat in between fights.
00:22:25.000Since it collapsed, that part of my lung was then damaged.
00:22:29.000Normally, if you fall really hard doing snowboarding or something like that, or if you're rock climbing, you fall and you land on your ribs, you can puncture them by breaking your ribs, or the impact can almost blow it out.
00:22:44.000A lot of times, they'll go back on their own.
00:23:13.000And then finally the surgeons came in.
00:23:15.000They're like, we're going to have to go in, find where the bleb was, cut it out, staple your lungs shut, and then adhere your lung to your chest wall.
00:23:25.000So my left lung is attached to the inside of my chest wall.
00:30:04.000And the high-level kickboxing experience that he has, like coming over from glory, I'm very interested to see what Israel does different in the second fight, but I'm really interested in seeing him against someone who can wrestle.
00:30:50.000Because Izzy already had their number, and he's been there.
00:30:53.000But as long as Pereira's in there, another kickboxer, but with a different style, maybe not as much experience in the grappling department, they're chomping at the bit to get in there.
00:31:42.000I remember even saying to the people when we were watching it up in the ESPN desk, we're like, man, could you imagine if he pulls it off here in the end?
00:32:54.000If he can avoid getting that leg compromised like he did in the first round of that fight, and so he's got his movement, And he also had some great moments grappling, which surprised a lot of people.
00:33:57.000I mean, I think Pejeta, when he actually weighed into the fight, was above 220. When he was inside the octagon for the fight, it was above 220. Whereas, you've got to remember, when Izzy fought Jan Bojovic for the light heavyweight title, he was only 194. Yeah.
00:34:23.000Especially if you're not planning on making that transition permanently, you don't want to go and add on all that size.
00:34:28.000And the other thing that drives me nuts about when I hear these fighters, and I think it's really the strength and conditioning coaches feeding bullshit more than it is the fighters.
00:34:37.000They're just listening to what they're being told, but...
00:34:40.000You don't put on 20 pounds of muscle in a month.
00:34:43.000You ever hear these guys in fighter meetings, we'll be talking to them and be like, well, you know, I put on about 10 pounds of lean muscle mass for this camp.
00:34:49.000Like this particular camp, you've put on 10 pounds of muscle mass.
00:34:54.000How are you going to pass your piss test?
00:34:57.000What supplements are you taking for that?
00:40:31.000Even back in the day when he was still Mr. Skinny Charles Oliveira and he kicked me a few times, I remember being like, God damn!
00:40:39.000I thought I was going to buzzsaw through this guy on the feet and he lands a few shots and you could see where that strength was there.
00:40:46.000That, again, another one of those just wiry guys where you kind of underestimate their power and then they hit you and you're like, Jesus Christ.
00:41:04.000The reach, jujitsu, you can wrap everybody up, you can sneak your arms in through.
00:41:09.000You're not as bulky, which maybe you don't have as much of that brunt kind of power that some of the guys that are shorter and stockier would have in the division, but...
00:41:19.000I think that long, lean muscle for MMA is the way to be.
00:43:14.000That's just getting a bunch of people to buy it.
00:43:17.000Make as much money as they humanly can.
00:43:20.000I mean, people need to understand the levels of boxing, though.
00:43:27.000Listen, Francis Ngannou could knock out any human being on Earth if he can hit them clean on the chin, but good luck hitting Tyson Fury clean on the chin.
00:43:37.000Did you see Floyd Mayweather sparring yesterday?
00:43:40.000He made that kid, I don't know who that kid is.
00:43:45.000Yeah, and that just shows you right there.
00:43:47.000I mean, he was, I just saw it yesterday, I was watching, and he was just, and he was talking, bang, bang, bang, playing with him, and moving away from him, and, you know, and the kid, whoever this guy is, I guess he's a YouTuber?
00:47:35.000And you are absolutely a legitimate, like, top-flight professional fighter.
00:47:39.000It's just that sport is always going to have sensitive people when, you know, you dedicate your entire life to this one moment and then someone's criticizing it and saying, oh, he could have done this and he could have done that.
00:47:51.000And they're like, fuck you, Paul Felder!
00:47:54.000I've had to take some Joe Rogan lessons on not reading the comments and not doing all that stuff.
00:48:00.000Everyone should listen to me about that.
00:48:02.000For the longest time, I'd get into these arguments and you can't win because you've already lost.
00:48:09.000The second you type it in and send it, they just won.
00:49:16.000Yeah, it's an interesting thing, that social media...
00:49:20.000Because I've seen it ruin people's lives.
00:49:23.000I've seen some fighters, they get into it with people on social media and they're going back and forth all the time and I know that's fucking with their head.
00:49:30.000I know they're probably thinking about that when they're hitting pads or thinking about some mean thing that someone said to them.
00:51:46.000And all of our ideas about what's bad and what's good, we've been hoodwinked.
00:51:50.000We've been hoodwinked by a bunch of fucked up studies that were conducted by the sugar companies because they paid scientists off to lie about the dangers of saturated fat, and that is just in everyone's consciousness.
00:52:03.000And then, you know, there's all these people, what about your cholesterol?
00:53:20.000And we would just sit there, grab the gravy, and pour it all over bread.
00:53:26.000Well, you know, I'm Italian, and my grandparents used to live in this very Italian neighborhood in New Jersey that eventually wasn't Italian, but they had these Italian bakeries, and I'd go walk with my grandfather to this bakery.
00:53:41.000He'd go to the bakery every couple of days and buy a couple of loaves of bread, and it was the freshest bread, and you'd carve into it, and my grandmother would make homemade- Jersey, Philly, New York.
00:54:21.000Fucking hot, and you rip it apart at the middle and take a bite into it, and it's the crunch of the bread on the outside and the juiciness.
00:57:24.000The thing I like about Jim's, too, on South Street is you can get beers and stuff there.
00:57:28.000A lot of them, they don't want you to get beer because it's three in the morning and you're already trying to fight somebody outside of that place.
00:57:45.000I remember I'd heard how they even got started.
00:57:48.000I think a guy had some leftover steak and it was like early in the morning or something and he threw a sandwich together and I think that's how they got started making them like that, but...
00:57:59.000I don't know how that became so damn famous with our city that we're known for cheese whiz and chopped steak.
00:58:06.000Yeah, we think about all the different food, all the different stuff that people could eat, that one sandwich becomes famous for the city.
00:58:10.000We were like one of the founding, the original capital of this nation.
00:59:48.000So when you were doing that, did you have an MMA gym or were you cross-training on your own?
00:59:55.000Like going to a boxing gym, a Muay Thai gym, a Jiu-Jitsu gym?
00:59:58.000So back then, at Daniel Gracie's gym in North Philly, we had...
01:00:06.000If you went into our basement gym, there was a sliding old school door that went into another basement and it was just like all old warehouses that were turned into studios like this or a boxing gym.
01:01:30.000Yeah, it's hard for a guy who's that much better than everybody else to get real good solid work in.
01:01:36.000Yeah, just don't put nobody on that level.
01:01:39.000So what was the first, was Dukes the first actual MMA gym?
01:01:44.000I know you did some training with Cowboy too, right?
01:01:46.000Yeah, so way back when I was still an amateur.
01:01:52.000He had like the tap-out house back then where he had bunk beds in his own house and he would rent it out and you could just come and experience training with Donald and Leonard Garcia at the time.
01:02:04.000So I flew out after sparring with him at a seminar and he's like, you know what?
01:05:27.000You gotta think of him and his brother.
01:05:29.000I mean, they were at the forefront of kickboxing.
01:05:32.000You know, when his brother, I forget who that Thai guy whose brother fought, but when his brother was the king of kings in kickboxing, and he fought that Thai guy, and that Thai guy chopped his legs apart, and then Duke, who was 19 at the time, was like, well, I don't think there's any talent in kicking legs.
01:05:47.000And then he's like, I'm never gonna let that happen.
01:05:50.000That was the moment when he was like, oh.
01:08:17.000Jump-spinning back kick to the head at the end of the first round.
01:08:21.000So, this dude is getting his ass handed to him in the first round, and then comes back in the second, and just starts fucking marching him down and chopping those legs.
01:09:04.000So no one even fucking understood Muay Thai outside of Thailand back then.
01:09:08.000I mean, there was a few guys, but most people did not know what Muay Thai was about.
01:09:14.000So this is when I first found out about Muay Thai.
01:09:18.000And I had heard about this fight, because I was a giant fan of Rick Rufus, and this was on PKA Karate, it was on ESPN. And I started training, and I started training with guys who were going over to Thailand and fighting.
01:09:32.000There was this one dude that I knew who went over there for months and months at a time.
01:09:42.00088 or 89, this guy was going over to Thailand and training and coming back with all these stories and fucking cuts all over his forehead from the elbows.
01:10:18.000And I remember being a little kid, and I obviously grew up doing martial arts, and I remember a couple people, even when I was just starting doing taekwondo and karate, people being like, you should do Muay Thai.
01:10:28.000But even then, I remember, you know, as a kid, I was born in 84, so I was four when Rick was getting his ass handed, leg kicks like that.
01:10:48.000It's wild thinking back to those days because I was at a time where martial arts had started to kind of...
01:10:57.000That was the first time striking styles merged, where you saw the above-the-waist kickboxing, which is what most of the people did in America, and then Muay Thai.
01:14:32.000I was like, holy shit, Chuck Norris gave me a hug.
01:14:35.000But this is Wonderboy when he was in his fucking prime, man.
01:14:38.000And so there was, what we're looking at is, for people that are just listening, there's a round platform and it bevels up on the sides slightly.
01:14:48.000So instead of having a barrier, there's like an area, the red area, like a yellow area, the danger track, and then the red where it goes, it slants up.
01:14:59.000And so you know to move around it, which I think was a brilliant idea.
01:15:04.000And I want to say that I want to say Frank Shamrock was like one of the first guys to use something similar to that in MMA. He had an organization that he was doing for a while.
01:22:56.000There's some tough-ass fucking people if you think right now about the amount of top-flight talent that comes from Eastern Europe and Russia and Dagestan Chechnya, you know, I mean fucking a man They're they're all just waiting to take all the titles at this point too.
01:23:15.000I mean even in boxing Did you see the better beef fight?
01:23:46.000And he's 38 years old so it's like he's got to get like the big fight.
01:23:51.000He was one of the guys that they were talking about Canelo fighting at light heavyweight and I would have loved to see that because I think his mauling style because he just fucking comes forward and he forces firefights.
01:24:07.000It's very different than most world champions in that like he gets in slugfest and he gets hit and But he's super skillful.
01:28:53.000Now the story is, who the hell is going to beat this guy?
01:28:56.000To this day, one of my favorite moments at a weigh-in is Khabib before the Conor fight, where he says to the audience, I'm gonna smash your boy!
01:31:31.000When I fought Edson the second time in Abu Dhabi, I left on Monday.
01:31:39.000To go fight on Saturday night, and I don't think I slept more than three hours every night, and I had the worst weight cut of my life because of it.
01:31:46.000I remember calling my mom after I had made weight, and I don't remember much of that conversation with my mom.
01:31:54.000That's when she was like, I want you to seriously consider not doing this anymore.
01:35:02.000Yeah, and if out of all the things that you've done, that's the one thing that you think you would do differently?
01:35:07.000Oh man, and the reason that I keep talking, you know, I've thought about a comeback and we've kind of teased it and everybody, even the coaches around me, the reason they'd be interested is because we want to see what I'd be capable of being a healthy fit.
01:35:23.000If I could mix now how I've learned to train my system with The triathlon training and having my triathlon coach, this guy David Tilbury Davis, who I work with, he's...
01:35:36.000Super science on everything right breaking things down the mitochondria and how you got to do zone one work versus this if I could mix that in with my MMA training and start applying that to grappling and Sparring days because you start thinking about athletes the best athletes in the world and how they prepare And then how they go and fight we're so ass backwards and fighting it makes no fucking sense We're just beating the shit out of each other and then showing up and hoping for the best on fight
01:36:17.000Five five-minute rounds, then five five-minute rounds in the bag, then five five-minute rounds of jumping rope, go to bed, eat 200 calories, wake up, do it all over again.
01:36:27.000And it's like, oh, no wonder by four weeks into training camp, I wanted to, you know, I didn't want to fight anymore.
01:41:19.000You can pull on the bands and you can simulate a lot of that stuff.
01:41:23.000But there's nothing that's ever going to replace trying to control somebody with your legs and their upper body and at the same time control your breathing and heart rate and try to then squeeze.
01:43:29.000Yeah, dude, they had all kinds of stuff going on to make him make weight.
01:43:34.000They had that room turned into like a furnace.
01:43:37.000I swear to God, they were bringing up like butane heaters and shit into the room.
01:43:42.000The hotel, they're just trying to hide it all from the hotel lobby in New York, but they're bringing up all this stuff, all these heated blankets, all this stuff.
01:43:49.000And I remember talking to those guys back then.
01:43:53.000I think he was gonna make weight, but the doctor, once he saw all that, he's like, I can't...
01:46:09.000I mean, just his style of moving, and he would catch you with these weird punches, and he would train on a Wing Chun dummy.
01:46:17.000Eddie Bravo was working with him, and they were in Big Bear, and he said, Tony was in such fucking insane shape that everybody else in camp would be running sprints.
01:48:21.000I would say, I mean, you have your George Foreman's and Mike Tyson are the most beautiful combinations we've ever seen in the heavyweight division, but Wilder just...
01:57:07.000You know, I contacted Izzy way before he fought in the UFC, and I asked him about it, and Izzy played it real smart.
01:57:12.000He was like, they give me a lot of money to fight in China, he's getting a lot of money, and he's like, I want to do this the right way, and get really prepared.
01:57:18.000And to his credit, he did it perfectly.
01:58:50.000And he's been saying that since the beginning.
01:58:53.000Even when he was on Contender Series and we were talking to him, he's like, I know I'm known for these knockouts, but he was telling everybody, listen, I got really good jiu-jitsu.
01:59:02.000I mean, if you can escape those positions in a title fight against somebody like Glover Teixeira in Brazil and get out and do what you did, man.
01:59:11.000And did you see the Yuri Prohaska thing?
02:02:35.000It's like if he starts working that and gets sneaky behind, maybe setting it up with, kind of like Leon did against Kamara, where you set it up with that...
02:03:23.000I forgot that they said that, yeah, people trying to put it back in place, everybody just sees a video of a doctor doing that, and it's like...
02:03:30.000Well, you have to also recognize, too, and I hope Yuri knows this, and if he doesn't, maybe he's listening.
02:03:36.000Your muscle tissue will heal faster than your connective tissue, your tendons and your ligaments.
02:05:56.000Flushed the shit out of me with IVs basically and made me wait in the hospital until my levels in the blood, they kept just taking little samples of blood.
02:06:05.000Rhabdo is something that a lot of CrossFit people get.
02:06:08.000Yeah, you just work your muscles so bad they start to break apart and like, I forget what starts to go, it poisons your blood basically.
02:11:14.000There's not, like, the world-class talent is not limited to the UFC. We're getting these guys that enter into the UFC, and they're elite already.
02:11:21.000They already have the 20-0, some of these guys.
02:11:24.000Or 19-2, some crazy records like that.
02:11:39.000You want to talk about a guy that showed up and just had done his homework for that fight, bro?
02:11:46.000And McKinney's a bad motherfucker, dude.
02:11:49.000McKinney, when he put it on Drew Dober and almost had Drew Dober out in that fight and showed how durable Drew Dober is, and Drew Dober recovered and survived and wound up winning the fight, I was like, damn, McKinney's a future champion.
02:12:00.000But this fucking guy, this guy, Bonfim is a monster.
02:12:10.000I talked to Terrence after that, and I was like, he's like, bro, thank God that hit me here.
02:12:15.000He's like, my teeth would have been gone.
02:12:17.000Yeah, because he didn't have his mouthpiece in at that time.
02:12:18.000Which I was wondering why the referee didn't put the mouthpiece back in, because there was a lot of time there between the mouthpiece falling out.
02:12:31.000I mean the way he set it up shows him the right switch knee and you know that was what Farah Sahabi was talking about when he justified the stoppage with Israel versus Pejera.
02:12:41.000He was like, nobody has a better switch knee than Pejera.
02:12:46.000If you're lingering in your head in front of that dude, stop the fight now.
02:14:22.000You know, you could be 10-0 getting to the UFC, and you might have fought one or two guys at the end there to get Joe Silva's attention back in the day.
02:14:30.000Because I remember when you were trying to get in, he'd be like, you've got to go beat somebody for me to sign you.
02:14:35.000You could be 15-0, but if you've beaten a bunch of guys that are all 0-10, you're going to get here with a great record and then get murdered.
02:17:01.000Somebody that was even over 45, I'd be like, oh man, time to settle in and get old.
02:17:07.000When I was a kid, when I was 19 years old, I used to work at an athletic club.
02:17:10.000I worked at the Boston Athletic Club, and Bobby Orr used to come in and work out.
02:17:14.000And Bobby Orr, who's one of the greatest hockey players that's ever lived, Bobby Orr can barely walk.
02:17:19.000This poor guy, because he's had those old school surgeries where they would cut your leg open like a Yeah, you're screwed.
02:17:25.000And just bolt things down and staple it together.
02:17:27.000Well, Bobby would get on the VersaClimber machine, and we would have to help him get on this machine, because his legs would go, this is the range of motion, it goes from this to this.
02:23:37.000So fucking good at everything great striker great wrestling tough as fucking nails.
02:23:43.000It's almost like you get these one Moment where things don't go right and then you can't I don't know if it's the competition around you sees a weakness in you and then they aren't as Intimidated by you and then starts to but I think it also is just this game is So young, and people are getting so good so fast, man.
02:24:11.000Nowadays, these kids, it's unbelievable how good they are.
02:24:31.000He had a little stumble on the Contender Series where he didn't make weight, didn't get signed on that, and then he lost his debut up at 45 to Jonathan Pierce.
02:25:20.000They don't know, oh yeah, I did Taekwondo as a kid, and then I did some boxing, and then I did X, Y, and Z. It's like, no, I do MMA. And they get to watch all the best fighters ever.
02:25:30.000If you go back to the early days of the UFC, what are they basing their style on?
02:25:36.000Yeah, they were figuring it out as they went along.
02:25:39.000And there's also a thing with fighters where when you're operating at like fucking redlining at this, you only have a certain amount of years.
02:25:47.000Like I think there's like a principle that a lot of people try to apply.
02:25:50.000I don't think it's universal, but it's a nine-year thing that as an elite...
02:25:55.000MMA fighter, you really only have like nine years.
02:26:13.000I feel like if you go back to those days, the early days of Pride, the Fedor that was dominating people in Pride was one of the most impressive fighters that has ever fucking lived.
02:28:04.000And I just didn't see a picture for the belt anymore.
02:28:06.000And if I don't see a picture for the belt, I always told everyone around me, my mom, my loved ones, I said, if I don't think that I can fight and win the championship, I'll retire.
02:30:18.000Well, that was one of the times that I knew how special Khabib truly was, was when Khabib got a hold of him and you saw this look on Edson's face, like this thousand-yard stare.
02:31:18.000I'm excited about it because towards the end of his light heavyweight reign, he's kind of playing with his food a little bit out there, right?
02:31:27.000And had that fight where a lot of people think he lost.
02:31:31.000But really, I think a lot of it was just him being lazy, to be honest with you.
02:31:35.000Now at heavyweight, I think we're going to see him come out and try to...
02:32:45.000And Mighty Mouse told me when he went to train with him, he said he was so impressed by how systematic he was, and the game plan, his strategy, and how he puts everything together.
02:32:54.000He said, I've never seen anybody that's so meticulous in their preparation.
02:32:58.000Yeah, and you see that even in the fighters that he's training now on.
02:33:01.000That's why I'm excited to see him come back.
02:33:03.000I mean, put all the cringe stuff and all that, whatever.
02:33:58.000Yeah, it's unbelievable how he does that, man.
02:33:59.000And the way he looked against TJ, he looked against TJ like, obviously TJ had a fucked up shoulder in that fight, but Aljamain looked like a dominant champion.
02:34:13.000Shredded at 35. Yeah, so muscular and strong and so fucking so talented and all just confident everything's together Yeah, and he's from the distance which is he's so good with his kicks right and that's something he works on constantly because When you think about it if you're a really strong grappler and you're a guy who you wanted to get to the ground You've got a great wrestling base Why wouldn't you work on?
02:34:37.000Having those kind of weapons those long-range weapons like come on you try you try to close the distance on me Because if you don't I'm just gonna sit out here And I'm gonna kick the shit out of you literally with my kicks front kick the fuck out of your body I'm gonna front kick you.
02:34:50.000I'm gonna learn some spinning kicks He was working I saw him doing a little bit of like traditional martial arts at the apex, but that's genius.
02:34:57.000Yeah, because you're forcing Your opponents to have to close the distance and you're a freaking wrestler.
02:35:03.000Well, Cowboy was always so good at that.
02:35:05.000Cowboy would throw high kicks because his guard was so good.
02:35:07.000People forget in the early days of Cowboy's career...
02:36:56.000These kids can do a flying knee, flying triangle, and then hit you with just a beautiful double leg and transition seamlessly in their wrestling.
02:37:05.000And they know how to do it on the fence.
02:40:28.000No word were the promotion plans to keep Garbrandt on the fight card.
02:40:32.000You know, with Cody Garbrandt, after all those KOs, you gotta wonder, like, how many more does he have left?
02:40:37.000You know, when a guy gets KO'd a gang of times, like, there's a lot of people that it gets to a certain point in time, you're like, someone needs to step in and stop this from happening.
02:40:53.000I, I, This sport's rough on our heads to begin with.
02:41:01.000But when you've been put out, that's when you really got to think, hey, maybe it's time.
02:41:07.000I mean, if he goes and gets on another win streak, but...
02:41:10.000Well, Sugar Sean O'Malley was talking about this...
02:41:13.000What's that gentleman he works with, Dan Gardner?
02:41:16.000They're working on a concussion protocol to rehabilitate people from concussions and that there's things you can do to help yourself recover and heal.
02:41:27.000Yeah, I mean, you think there's got to be, right?
02:41:33.000It's got to be something with the fluids and what causes some people to have brain damage and other people don't.
02:41:40.000The real issue too is I've talked to the doctors at the Cleveland Clinic.
02:41:46.000I've been part of a study that they offer everybody in the UFC and a lot of NFL guys and all that.
02:41:52.000Every year you go back and you do the same series of tests and they run the same exact scans.
02:41:57.000And I went because I was having some headaches.
02:42:00.000When I fought twice in a row I fought Ross Right after I fought Edson the first time and I for like a month I had a headache and I was like this is not normal And it turns out I just had a really bad concussion that I wasn't knocked out But it doesn't mean you don't have a concussion and I was having all these symptoms so I went and had all that testing done and I just recently last year I went back and it's amazing I mean I Aced everything that I failed the first time I had went.
02:42:30.000My scans all came back clear and I was talking to the doctor.
02:42:33.000And I was like, some of these guys will fight only a few times and have severe brain damage and all this kind of stuff.
02:42:38.000Why am I showing no signs of any of that?
02:46:39.000I mean, he had such a perfect style to transition from kickboxing to MMA because he was so explosive.
02:46:46.000Whereas like some guys they were more technical and they would set things up more like I don't know if a guy like Ernesto Hoost would have been the best guy or a guy like Peter Hertz would have been the best guy to come over to MMA but he was the best guy to show what an elite level top of the food chain kickboxer would look like fighting in MMA. There it is.
02:48:39.000So, I think you have to pick moments to do it, and I think you have to kind of really...
02:48:47.000Have that be the day that you're doing those rounds, right?
02:48:50.000And also have people that you're sparring with that are kind of trying to simulate the fight.
02:48:56.000Whereas if you're just going around the room and sparring everybody in the room that day, like most gyms do now, where it's like you just, oh, let me grab this partner, let me grab that partner.
02:49:05.000You're not getting to look for your fight.
02:49:19.000I think it needs to be very formalized like that when you're going to have your hard days so that you're not just off in the corner getting into a slugfest with some dude that's having a dick measuring contest with you, basically.
02:49:31.000Isn't that- that's the hard conversation too about what kind of camp do you go to?
02:49:36.000If you're an up-and-coming fighter, do you go to ATT where you got like 15 dudes who just flew in from Russia and they're staying in the dorms and they're fucking assassins?
02:49:44.000You get spinning back-fisted to death?
02:50:13.000And I think being able to bring people in to work with you as well and keep a good relationship with other fighters and other camps to kind of share sparring partners and bringing people in so that you...
02:50:24.000You need to get the look that you want for that fight.
02:50:27.000In hindsight, that's so overlooked, I think.
02:54:36.000Vicente Lucia back up for coming in at 100. No, not that bad.
02:54:41.000He only came in at 172. Who told me 12 pounds?
02:54:44.000Maybe he had to lose 12 pounds in a day or something like that.
02:54:46.000I'm going to have to find that source and get mad at him now.
02:54:50.000What do you think of Kamaru Usman rematching Leon Edwards in London?
02:54:54.000I love that it's in London for Leon, but I just, based on how that fight was going the first time, I think Kamaru's going to go in there and be much more dialed in and not allow a moment like that to happen again.
02:55:12.000I think he's going to be able to pull it off and win.
02:55:15.000Well, it's hard to say, man, because when you watch a guy like Leon Edwards realize that he could KO Kamara with one shot, and then he pulls it off and did it, and also took him down in the first round, now he's the champion.
02:55:30.000He's got that championship confidence, that championship rub.
02:56:05.000He didn't want to be away from home, and he just...
02:56:08.000And we've talked to him a lot about this and he realized that he can be at home working with good wrestlers and doing all that kind of stuff and focused on himself and not going away to America just to work his wrestling.
02:56:22.000He's like, how about you develop everything else and become a better fighter for the style that you're going to bring to the table as opposed to trying to put yourself into this American style wrestling camp and just not working on yourself.
02:56:37.000And you go to these big gyms, especially early on in his career, and you're just getting, okay, yeah, go over here and work with so-and-so.
02:57:34.000We did a thing, the UFC, when they were getting ready to start the PI at Exos, I think, out in Arizona, which is kind of like the Performance Institute for...
02:57:45.000NFL players trying to get back into the big league.
02:57:48.000Players in their offseason are rehabbing.
02:57:51.000It was me, him and Max Holloway and Kelvin Gastelum actually that were all part of the group and they used to send a bunch of us to kind of test it out and give feedback on all that.
02:58:01.000It's amazing that he's Dominate it the way he has with those knees.
02:59:38.000To decide that for the glory and the challenge and just the This overwhelming difficulty of becoming a world-class fighter or a world champion fighter that you put yourself through so much.
02:59:54.000It's funny that you bring that kind of up because it's hard to talk to people about why you do it if you don't understand it, right?
03:00:04.000Like, if you've never done combat sports or ever have that desire to fight and just be one of the best...
03:00:11.000It looks crazy to anybody on the outside.
03:00:14.000We look like we're absolutely lunatics, but it's competition to us.
03:00:18.000I don't look at a fight and think, I'm going to fucking kill that person because I just want to be violent.
03:00:23.000It's like, I want to be better than that person.
03:00:26.000You want to achieve something that's...
03:00:30.000Seems crazy to other people and I think that's what obsesses a lot of us about it is that you want to do something that 99% of the people in this world are terrified of doing and Walking to that cage is definitely one of the scary things aside from like anybody of active military and does all that kind of stuff That's another level.
03:01:10.000Because I know what it's like to want that fight feeling, to want that...
03:01:16.000Desire to get your hand raised whether good bad or ugly and You have like a depression when it's done man And I'm sure you've heard other fighters talk about this whether you win or lose You build up to this moment this fight camp.
03:02:47.000When you go back to Jon Jones' first fight with Shogun, fighting for the world title, I always tell you this, one of the wildest things I've ever seen, the guy's fighting for the world title, 35, youngest guy ever to win the title, he opens up against a legend with a flying knee.
03:03:13.000Dude, I can remember even back at Jackson's when we'd be there, he'd come rolling in and you could, you know, I didn't know him personally then, so I don't know what he was doing, but you could tell.