In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Conor Gracie joins the show to discuss his recent victory over Glover "The Dragon" Teixeira at UFC 194 in his hometown of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. We talk about his training and preparation leading up to the fight, what it was like to fight in front of his hometown, and what it's like to be the first black man to win a UFC title in the UFC. We also talk about what it means to be a true champion, and how he feels about the state of the division and the current state of UFC. We wrap up the episode with a quick Q&A from the fans and a look ahead to UFC Fight Night: Cowboy Cerrone vs. Jon Bones Silva at UFC 246 on Nov. 30 in Las Vegas, which was the biggest card of his career to date. Check it out! -Jon Bones Bones -Jorge Masvidal vs. Donald "The Notorious" Cheick Muay Thai -Canelo Alvarez vs. Khabib Nurcayde Jr. -Grigori Gustav Hagibay -Dillian Whyte vs. Jimmie Andrade Jr. -J.J. Nonorf vs. Glover Teixez vs. Antonio Carlos Vaeldon Gracie , Conor and Rory Mcgregor vs. Artem Chisora vs. Satoshi Moraes vs. John Kotschuck vs. Derek Brunell, and much more, Conor Rogan sits down with UFC Champion Conor McGregor to talk about UFC 194, UFC 246, and more. , and much much more! - Conor and Dana Rogan sit down with Conor's incredible performance in Brazil, and talks about his future in the future of the UFC, and why he's an "Odd Duck" - and how much he's better than the rest of us can be a better than we thought he's going to be? -and why he should be an odd duck? - and more! - and much, much more. -and much more... - we hope you enjoy this one! . Thank you for listening to Conor's Podcast, and Good Luck, Conor, and God Bless You, Chelle, Cheers, Cheilah, and Much Blessings, and Cheilie, - and Much Love, & Much More! -JORDY, etc.,
00:04:40.000The only thing I can think would be possibly it could be just like a tactic to try to make it seem like, oh, no matter what, you're wasting your time.
00:05:48.000And he had to give up his title like that.
00:05:50.000Well, it's interesting that he did decide to give up his title.
00:05:52.000He could have held onto it, and they could have had an interim title, and you could be fighting him for the undisputed title, but instead he's like, nope, I'm going to give up my title.
00:06:00.000That's why I thought he's an odd dude.
00:06:32.000I mean, how many world title fights do you get?
00:06:35.000If you're lucky, if everything goes perfect, and he should know now, especially being injured, like, hey, this could happen, and you could get a catastrophic injury, and you could be out for a year or so.
00:10:53.000I think his time with Alex Pajeda really improved him too towards the very end of his career when he started training with Alex.
00:11:02.000Because there's something about having that dude in camp with him and he's on the run for the middleweight title that it all came together.
00:11:10.000Some of his last fights were some of his best.
00:11:12.000The Jan Bohovic fight, the Yuri Prochaska fight.
00:11:20.000Yeah, he's harder to hit clean than I thought.
00:11:25.000Because he turns his face a little, rolls with stuff?
00:11:27.000Yeah, a little bit of that, but it's like, it's his hands, right?
00:11:31.000So, he definitely learns from the people that he fights, because he was definitely doing a little John Jones to me.
00:11:37.000You know, the little, like, gonna kind of poke his hands out.
00:11:41.000And he watched it a couple times, like, I wanted to follow up with some shots with some combos, but the way he was, like, blocking, he's, like, going...
00:11:47.000Like this or like putting his elbow up like this.
00:11:50.000Kind of like poking his fingers, like jibbing his fingers towards my face.
00:11:56.000Yeah, that's a weird gray area, right?
00:12:03.000You know, I'm sure he didn't mean to do it, but that style of doing it like that, of having the hands out, especially when you're as long as John, It's a, you know, it's a very, it's a very gray area.
00:12:23.000Especially like whenever you see somebody get hit with something like solid and they start to like kind of get crowded and they want to get some space or they want to try to really keep you from coming forward.
00:14:41.000That was the the thing about the fight that I really enjoyed is like watching your setups and all your feints and luring them in and the way you're moving in and out like it was very...
00:14:51.000because I had seen all that in other fights but with all the stakes on the line in Brazil fighting for the title and I think you were at your best.
00:20:24.000So, you know, that's who our head instructor under our jiu-jitsu program, that's who we've been training under for, I think we joined under him maybe like about 10 years ago.
00:20:41.000When did you, what was the first UFC that you saw?
00:21:37.000And right now, while I can't do that, I definitely don't want to run into somebody that can do that.
00:21:43.000I think I should probably become one of those guys that can do that.
00:21:49.000You know, when people talk about goats, and I do think Jon Jones is a great argument for the greatest of all time, just based on his record.
00:21:57.000But I feel like there's moments in guys' careers, and those moments kind of get diluted when you see later performances that aren't as good, maybe when they're older.
00:22:06.000But when Anderson was in his prime, He was a magician.
00:22:43.000Yeah, when he was on, when he was at his best, like the Vitor Belfort fight, during those times in his prime, man, he, like, when he first got into the UFC, when he lit up Chris Lieben, I was like, oh boy, everybody's fucked.
00:23:13.000I used to have this, whenever I first started, my amateur, early on amateur, my first fights, I think I made my amateur debut back, I think it was March 6, 2010 or something like that.
00:23:30.000I used to have a highlight video and just roll through, like, of all these fights and things.
00:23:35.000And I don't know, something about just watching that video made me feel like, all right, like, just watching greatness made me believe that I could be great.
00:26:08.000But they, but like, I think like the first round, the first round, I had him down, pinned in a full mound, pounding him, like pounding him out.
00:26:16.000And they stopped around like a minute early.
00:26:43.000Then the next round, I think I caught him with a head kick, and he stopped it a minute early again.
00:26:48.000Then I ended up eventually getting tired.
00:26:50.000That's why amateur-wise, eventually it was just like, it's a no contest.
00:26:55.000But I actually got caught in a guillotine.
00:26:57.000At the end of that, like, after I got tired, like, I think it was, like, maybe, like, the fourth, fifth round or something like that, I got caught in a guillotine.
00:29:15.000But if you can have strong fundamentals in those and then be able to sprinkle in some of the things, like some people do, that's why you get the crazy spinning attacks from some dudes.
00:29:24.000Like Yair Rodriguez is fighting this weekend.
00:29:29.000You know, those are just different, different arts.
00:29:33.000And then he's just picking which one out of which bag that he wants to go.
00:29:38.000Like spinning kicks and like tee kicks, those are more like karate.
00:29:42.000You know, but they're more generalized now in MMA. Leg kicks, that's a Muay Thai thing.
00:29:51.000You know, calf kicks, yeah, Muay Thai, jab, a jab is really more boxing-based, you know, but it's effective in more forms of fighting, so it's just like that.
00:30:05.000Did you, so you started like hardcore training, you were 18 around there?
00:30:11.000So that was like when you really just started learning everything.
00:31:16.000That was me chasing Anderson Silva to see if I can.
00:31:18.000I started fighting at 185. When I was 18, I was fighting 185. Because you're not real heavy for 205. What do you walk around at when you're training?
00:31:30.000When I walk around training, maybe like between 230 and 230. Some of those guys get big.
00:31:37.000I mean, I can't get up to around like 240, 245. That's around what I was whenever they called me for the Glover fight.
00:31:44.000You don't think you could make 185 again?
00:34:27.000The three things that I know That I know that I can do, that I see constantly in fights that most people don't do.
00:34:36.000I understand where I am in a fight, as far as positional-wise, what's happening in the fight, what my options are, and what they're trying to do.
00:34:49.000It's just almost embedded into my senses, to where my body reacts and it does the things naturally.
00:36:26.000There's some young kid that was just like you that's probably watching that fight and watching what you did and like practicing it and fucking around in his living room and fucking around with his friends and is like, I think I can do this too.
00:36:47.000And having that ability to see those great fighters, too, is so huge for young, up-and-coming guys.
00:36:54.000Because having someone who's just coming up who can see you, or having those tapes, you could watch Fedor and watch Anderson and watch all the fighters that were in their primes.
00:37:06.000You get this sense of what's possible.
00:37:09.000And then you go and try to incorporate that into your own game, and it just makes everybody better.
00:38:59.000Like, you're, like, still getting better.
00:39:02.000Yeah, and I still had years where I had to take off, you know what I mean, where I had to do other things and stuff like that.
00:39:10.000I'll be wrong, I always had periods, and there's still no time a little bit where I did make it to the gym a few times, but it hasn't been a whole solid 13 years.
00:39:24.000And now that you're the champ, more resources are available to you, more time, and then also there's the confidence that comes from being a champ.
00:39:33.000Most guys, when they become champ, then they hit another level.
00:39:36.000They hit another level once they're champ.
00:39:40.000Yeah, I did feel that a little something different, just in how the way it happened.
00:39:48.000Everything went how we thought it was going to go.
00:39:52.000I did think I was going to have to deal with some adversity, so he landed some shots.
00:39:56.000You know, but I'm good at rolling shots.
00:41:02.000Whenever, for anybody listening or whatever, for me, it's like whenever you're doing something you're really good at, maybe you ever seen like back in...
00:41:15.000I was about to say back in high school, but we might have had different experiences in high school.
00:41:33.000But there was a time where I did take typing class where I did kind of get it so like I can understand like It's like when you're really good at something.
00:41:44.000When you're really good at something and you're just doing it and it just comes natural to you, maybe not a lot of other people can do it.
00:41:50.000That's how I feel whenever I'm fighting.
00:41:52.000I don't feel like anybody else can really do what I do.
00:41:55.000Well, that's a big part of being a great champion.
00:41:58.000You have to have that belief that you are the one.
00:42:05.000It's the craziest lifestyle choice, like, as a professional person, like, decide I'm going to be a professional fighter.
00:42:13.000And a professional fighter in mixed martial arts?
00:42:16.000It's one of the craziest choices you can make in life, but if you can pull it off, and if you can get to that world championship level, and they strap that, how much does that thing weigh?
00:42:26.000They put that thing around your shoulders.
00:42:30.000When you look back at fights that you had in the Octagon and you learned from, does any fight where you made a big leap, does any fight stand out for you?
00:46:06.000Not letting him lock onto my arm and then go down to the ground with him.
00:46:10.000Because when we hit the ground, it didn't...
00:46:14.000For him to pull me to the ground, for you to pull somebody to the ground, you don't know how this person is going to land, right?
00:46:18.000He doesn't know how he's going to land.
00:46:20.000And there's a certain space that's created with that.
00:46:23.000Because I willingly went down with him, that was not the case.
00:46:27.000I fell down into position just like he did, and he was able to lock even tighter on my arm.
00:46:32.000You know, just like little things like that, like little small things that I don't think anybody else really thinks about, you know, that are huge.
00:50:40.000But he's got to trust in the technique while still understanding that.
00:50:47.000I think he comes from being a specialist, too, sometimes, because he's a specialist on the ground.
00:50:51.000And so stand-up just doesn't really feel like his thing, whereas you, you're an overall guy.
00:50:57.000You're striking as your strong suit, but you do everything.
00:51:01.000I mean, your stand-up, also, every fight starts standing up, which is just a big advantage for the striker.
00:51:08.000Especially if you've got good takedown defense.
00:51:11.000You know, like for a grappler, there's this thing where you've got to get this fight to the ground.
00:51:15.000And you're standing with the guy and he just keeps chopping away at your legs and hitting you and chopping away and your power bar keeps going down.
00:51:25.000Just because of the sheer size of Johnny Walker, I figured that would be a hard matchup for Paul because I know Paul wants to get it to the ground.
00:52:03.000That was the one fight that I was worried about.
00:52:07.000If you actually look, whenever I first hit him and I hit him with those shots and he tried to push me against the cage all the way across, you see immediately where my hands went.
00:53:10.000I mean, I don't know how much that affects him still, whether or not he's okay.
00:53:15.000You know, because fighters, they'll have, like, a thing where there's forever that arm's compromised, and they're still fighting, and they're still winning, but they don't have full power in that arm anymore.
00:53:25.000Yeah, it took a while for my arm to be all right.
00:54:40.000He's got to work a little more finesse because that flying knee that he gets caught with, it's just like a product of his instinct being just to wrestle.
00:55:27.000Intriguing like, this is the guy I want to get in there with.
00:55:31.000In that way, pretty much everybody at the top present different challenges.
00:55:36.000Everybody's their own different challenge.
00:55:37.000I think Blahovic would be a good striking and mix-up challenge.
00:55:42.000Maka man's a good It's a good he's a good mix of times, but I think he's gonna come more of a heavier wrestling type Type thing years of striking challenge, so I be talking of a flowing striking challenge in fact cuz he just flows Yeah, I'm good.
01:00:39.000I think somebody just came up to me and asked me and said they got a place somewhere down south.
01:00:45.000We have a place we work with in Austin.
01:00:47.000We have a place we work with in Austin that helps a lot of guys come into Austin and get stem cells here.
01:00:54.000And that's a great option, too, if you want to stay in the States, too.
01:00:58.000But they can do stuff in other countries that they can't do in the United States.
01:01:01.000In Colombia, there's a great place, the CPI in Tijuana.
01:01:05.000It's a great place in Panama that Dr. Neil Reardon runs, and the laws there are different.
01:01:11.000The laws of the United States, for whatever reason, you can make all sorts of reasons for why they can't do it.
01:01:17.000None of them are good, but they have a lockdown on what you're allowed to do here in the United States, even though it's highly effective, and even though you're dealing with injured people that really should have every option available to them, especially when some of these options have proven to be effective.
01:05:52.000That little palm right there, let's just understand, check and understand where to be.
01:05:58.000He's one of the most smooth guys that's ever fought in the UFC in terms of like combinations and striking and just everything he does is perfect.
01:06:08.000His technique in his stand-up is just perfect.
01:06:11.000And then the fact that he took Kamaru down, took him down the first round, got a full mount.
01:06:27.000And, you know, it's going to be interesting to see.
01:06:29.000And now also he's felt Camaro, he's felt that wrestling, felt that power, and, you know, had a situation where he was down in that fight and realized that he had won the first round, so his adjustments would have to be made.
01:06:41.000And then Camaro knowing that he had the fight won if he just avoided that kick.
01:07:12.000Very, and then, but you got Kamaru, who's a fucking nightmare, man.
01:07:16.000Kamaru, especially coming up, that's one of the things that I remember, and I talked about it frequently, I was like, no one is calling that guy's name.
01:07:25.000Everybody's talking about, I want to fight this guy, I want to fight, no one said, and then Kamaru Usman, if you're looking for a fight, no, no, no, no, no.
01:07:34.000He knew, so, this is how, like, you gotta understand this about Kamaru, this is, this is, This is a testament to how good he is, right?
01:07:44.000Leon won the first round, and for the next better of three rounds, you knew exactly what he was about to do to you, and you couldn't stop it.
01:07:58.000It took a perfect setup at the end to bring it home because we all knew he was just going to push him up into the cage and just punch on him.
01:08:07.000And the crazy thing about Kamaru has destroyed knees.
01:11:21.000Once you see something's working, people are going to start taking it.
01:11:25.000That's what made me realize, like, There are other people that study the fights and study things like I do because people will start to implement those things.
01:11:34.000They'll start to implement it more and more and more and more.
01:11:38.000Eventually, people are going to start implementing the jab more and more and more.
01:12:36.000I don't know if you ever saw this, but Henzo Gracie had a fight early on in one of those organizations that didn't go anywhere, like World Combat something or another.
01:12:47.000And he took this guy down who was a judo guy.
01:14:32.000Because your whole head's a vulnerable area.
01:14:34.000If you get wheel kicked in the temple, that's a vulnerable fucking area.
01:14:38.000This little skinny-ass piece of bone that protects the side of your head and someone swings a giant heel and it comes slamming right into there.
01:18:42.000You might relax a little, and then that person's gonna get out.
01:18:44.000And that's what the sport's all about.
01:18:46.000The sport's all about You being able to figure out how to get out of a bad position and get to a better position, and someone being able to control you and minimize the damage that they take and maximize the amount of damage they could put on you.
01:23:37.000And also maybe something like New York.
01:23:40.000They're, you know, New York does not have, I mean, New York has a nice history now with the UFC, but when we first went there, there was not a real history of MMA in professional New York because it was corrupt.
01:23:51.000They kept MMA out of New York forever.
01:24:40.000I wonder if that factors in like if one referee makes a quick call in an early stoppage and then the next fight the referee thinks about that and goes, you know what?
01:24:49.000I'm not going to let this one go a little longer.
01:25:31.000I thought whenever he kept in the fourth, whenever I was landing on him, and then especially after he threw it, I slipped counter with the knee, started hitting him, landing a couple more uppercuts.
01:25:43.000I was expecting him to jump in between us and wave it off.
01:25:47.000You know, but then, like, whenever I seen he didn't, then it's like, alright, now he's fighting for under because he's trying to clench up with me and things like that.
01:25:54.000It's like, alright, I'm not gonna burn my load.
01:25:58.000Now just start just picking shots, start hitting him with clean shots again.
01:26:02.000Well, Glover never loses his composure to win.
01:27:58.000Remember, he fought Vitor, missed middleweight, and then came back as a light heavyweight contender and one of the fucking scariest guys in the division.
01:33:28.000I remember when he fought Brett Rogers in Strikeforce, and the moment he hit him with a leg kick, you see Brett Rogers' eyes like, oh boy, this is a different thing.
01:35:33.000If you looked at an overall fighter's marketability, there's your ability inside the cage that's already there, but then there's the personality.
01:36:16.000Honestly, it kind of started when I was a little kid.
01:36:19.000I don't know if anybody else ever played with their toys, but what I would do with my toys, like my action figures, it'd be like a whole situation, right?
01:36:26.000Like, alright, this is the boss level on this floor right here.
01:38:20.000You know, we need that and then it'll all Yeah, but the most important thing is just to start doing it like everybody thinks that they look at all these Podcasts that are like real successful and they go oh I have to have a setup like that like no No, just gotta just you set a fucking iPhone up in front of you on a table And just talk to it.
01:39:05.000And that's also another good source of revenue.
01:39:08.000You could get more money coming in that way.
01:39:11.000And, you know, if a fighter—like, look at Chael Sonnen.
01:39:14.000Chael Sonnen has done a fantastic job of doing that.
01:39:17.000He breaks down fights, has his videos, they're all super popular, and, you know, makes that transition into commentary as well.
01:39:25.000It's a smart thing to do for a fighter, it really is.
01:39:28.000Because everybody wants to hear perspective on this sport, because it's such, you know, you got the people that train, And the people that fight, and then you got other people that just like watching.
01:39:38.000And the other people that just like watching, they kind of don't know a lot of the shit that's going on.
01:39:43.000And if they get an insight from a world champion like yourself who explains what this is like and explains what's wrong with this, explains why this should have been different, explains what he could have done, that's so valuable to people.
01:39:57.000And so to get someone who's doing it, like, really no one right now in the championship level is doing a podcast.
01:43:54.000Hey, short man, what is short man going to do to me?
01:43:57.000You know, like he's been talking shit about him, about how he's little, and the 145-pounders are a big difference between that and 155, which is true.
01:44:06.000But the other thing that's true is a lot of times when guys are cutting weight to get to 145 pounds, they're diminishing their abilities.
01:44:12.000You might see a better Volkanovski at 155. Even though he's the best of the best at 145, he might be doing that.
01:45:04.000However, I know MMA and math doesn't really work, but if you look at Brian Ortega's fight with Volkanovski, Brian Ortega almost finished him twice.
01:45:14.000He got so close to that mounted guillotine.
01:51:14.000The thing I'm thinking about is when Cain Velasquez...
01:51:18.000The Mexico City one is a rough one, because Fabricio Verdum, he got there real early, like months early, and he trained in the mountains above Mexico City.
01:52:11.000But if you just look at his accomplishments, just by virtue of accomplishments, you have to put him in there as some of the all-time greats.
01:52:32.000Stipe's probably, if you look at the all-time heavyweight greats, outside of the UFC. Outside of the UFC. Outside of the UFC, you have to say Fedor.
01:52:46.000Fedor might be the greatest heavyweight of all time.
01:52:48.000There's always going to be that thing because he didn't fight in the UFC. And then there's Cain Velasquez in his prime, who was the motherfucker back.
01:55:24.000Without the credentials, obviously somebody's more decorated and things like that, but if we're talking like just pure gifts, you probably have to go with Francis.
01:55:35.000I can't think of a heavyweight champion across history that he couldn't beat.
01:55:42.000I think the Francis that fought Stipe the second time, DC said it best.
01:55:48.000DC's like, patient Francis is a scary Francis.
01:56:10.000That was Alistair's fault, though, because, like, bro, you felt the first one that he missed you with, and you still stood in there trying to swing with him.
02:00:43.000And then, you know, the rematch and then the third fight, the third fight, he got hurt real bad, you know, and Deontay clipped him perfect with the right hand.
02:00:52.000You see the fat ripple through his whole body when he got hit, it's like boom!
02:00:57.000In slow-mo, you see it ripple all the way down to his love handles from the impact.
02:01:06.000Greatest one-punch knockout artist in the history of the heavyweight division, I think.
02:01:10.000I don't think there's anybody that has greater one-punch knockout power because you're talking about a guy whose entire career was knockout wins.
02:03:15.000I mean, if you're in a business where people are kicking you in the head and you can't kick them in the head, that seems kind of crazy.
02:03:21.000I mean, when a world championship fight is won that way, like Leon Edwards and Kamaru Usman, or like Jon Jones versus DC... There's something about a head kick, man.
02:09:03.000And I look at him like that, because Gegard, after Gegard had beat Chris Weidman and Gegard left and went over to Bellator, I was like, wow, I guess we're not going to see him in the UFC anymore.
02:09:36.000And then he went over and won the Bellator title and eventually lost to Elbin.
02:09:41.000You know, there's it's good to have these other organizations though.
02:09:45.000I really do I think that's it's great for the fighters.
02:09:48.000It's great for the fighters to have Financial options.
02:09:52.000Yeah, I mean I don't like I said, I don't know where Francis is going what I'm genuinely hopeful I really hope Francis goes get some big money boxing match get successful then we figure out who wins versus John Jones and Cyril gone and then they offer him what he's worth and And then have him come back.
02:10:10.000And maybe they do another world title fight with Francis coming back.
02:10:17.000I think the market and the landscape can change a little bit with Jake Paul signing with the PFL. Very interesting.
02:10:26.000Because it brings eyes, it brings attention, which brings money.
02:12:46.000But whenever he started wrestling, though, like, grappling, like, actually taking dudes down, putting them on their backs, and laying off that, that was...
02:12:54.000Look, the guy has one of the most incredible careers in combat sports.
02:14:32.000And he has to cut a little bit of weight to make the 265 pound weight limit in the UFC. There's no weight limit in boxing, so he doesn't have to cut anything.
02:15:53.000That's not something you're coming into his world.
02:15:56.000That's not something to play with, bro.
02:15:58.000And he's going to keep you on the end of that stick for as long as he can, and he's going to box you up, and he's going to clinch you whenever he can.
02:16:04.000As I was about to say, as soon as you try to wind up big or you try to land big, he's just going to tie you up.
02:17:07.000If Francis get exposed in one of those fights and can't box with those guys, then all that big money goes away.
02:17:14.000Because the big money is Francis is the destroyer.
02:17:17.000He shows his highlight reel, the Alistair knockout.
02:17:19.000He didn't want to do the boxing thing.
02:17:23.000Look, I get it from their perspective.
02:17:26.000I don't know if that was the major sticking point.
02:17:28.000I'm not privy to the negotiations, but in my mind, that's the best heavyweight in the world.
02:17:34.000When the guy beats Cyril Ghosn handily with one knee, and then you see Cyril Ghosn fighting in his next fight for the title, I want to see the Cyril Ghosn fight.
02:17:42.000Look, Cyril Ghosn versus Tai Duyvasa was amazing.
02:27:18.000I mean, he beat Izzy for the title in the fifth round, stopped him in the fifth round.
02:27:22.000But do you do that, though, if he didn't defend the belt?
02:27:24.000Like, what's up with all this, like— That'd be like if I fought my next fight and then it was a close fight and I lost, do I get a rematch?
02:27:36.000Whatever happened to earning the rematch, establishing the reign, I think most champs that get instant rematches was because it's like, alright, this dude's the best in the world, maybe he just had an off night.
02:27:50.000Well, I think it's because we want to see it again.
02:27:53.000Because it was so close, we want to see, like, me as a person who loves watching, like, really skillful guys go at it, I want to see who makes the adjustments and who doesn't.
02:28:02.000Like Max Holloway and Volkanovski, it's a perfect example.
02:28:05.000The first fight were real close, Volkanovski comes on and wins the second fight, also pretty close.
02:31:05.000Definitely should have gained some weight for that fight, because then at the end, whenever you started to get tired, and now the main thing that you had was speed, because I believe Izzy was landing the hook.
02:37:18.000So he's taking into consideration the amount of calories that you're burning, the amount of calories you're going to get from each individual meal.
02:39:39.000Yeah, then I'll leave, go home, recover, or go to PT or whatever, get my recovery in, eat, probably catch a nap for a second, I go back and I do it again.
02:39:53.000Work my grappling, not the exact same thing, but working grappling, working different parts of grappling, drilling, things like that, fresh body, And then rolling, sparring, fresh body, even sparring.
02:40:05.000So even when I'm sparring, well, we'll go.
02:40:26.000It's interesting the different approaches when it comes to like how much time should you be spending on doing strength and conditioning work versus fight specific work and some people like yourself that just get all their conditioning done through fight specific work because that's what George St. Pierre turned to later in his career.
02:40:43.000Like George, early on in his career, he was doing a lot of strength and conditioning training, and then somewhere along the line he realized that efficiency was most important, and that you get that from training.
02:40:53.000And you get that fight-specific cardio from doing the grappling rounds, doing the sparring rounds, doing the rounds in the bag.
02:41:55.000Do you do any, like, weightlifting, kettlebells, any yoga, anything in between camps to just, like, sort of strengthen areas and, you know, prevent injuries or anything along those lines?
02:43:57.000Because guys who fret over every little thing that's going wrong and it starts spiraling, they go in a downward spiral in their head, like, oh, I'm injured.
02:52:46.000Because they have so many resources that are available.
02:52:48.000It's a beautiful thing to have that thing for the UFC where the UFC PI has this amazing setup with all these experts and great nutrition and all these equipment and great great facilities to train at.
02:53:01.000I went in and got the test, where they test out your body, how far your neck turns, how far you can bend this way, can you touch your toes, can your toes touch you, just all those things.
02:53:14.000So I've gotten those, and then at the end of that, they give you an assessment like, hey, your body has this here, you can lift here, do this exercise.
02:53:24.000I know how helpful and how deep they get down into everything.
02:53:28.000Yeah, it's about as scientific as you can get.
02:53:30.000The fact that it's available to all fighters, that they can just train there anytime they want, that's giant.
02:53:48.000I know some guys, they go away and they do these mountain camps.
02:53:52.000They go to Big Bear or something like that, and they train for months away from their family.
02:53:56.000I'm like, I know that you don't want a distraction, but how much does that take away from you as a person?
02:54:01.000Like, how do you feel when you're up there?
02:54:03.000Like, how much do you miss your family?
02:54:05.000Yeah, I mean, I think while you're busy, like, you're not really distracted, all right?
02:54:09.000But then whenever you stop doing stuff, and then, like, hey, it'll be something small, like somebody else sees their kid, or you see a kid, or you see something like, oh, my kid might like that, or something like that, and he's like, damn.