The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #136 with Jamahal Hill

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00:00:13.000 What's up, champ?

00:00:15.000 Pleasure to do this.

00:00:16.000 Pleasure to have you in here, man.

00:00:17.000 Yeah, thank you for having me, man.

00:00:18.000 I appreciate it.

00:00:19.000 That was a phenomenal performance in Brazil against Glover Teixeira in his hometown.

00:00:26.000 Last minute, like, I mean, how much time did you have to prep for that?

00:00:29.000 I had about six weeks.

00:00:31.000 Oh, you did have six weeks.

00:00:32.000 Yeah, six weeks.

00:00:33.000 But you knew that it was supposed to be three rounds, and then they changed it to the title for five rounds, right?

00:00:41.000 No, it was a title right there.

00:00:43.000 Oh, that was right after Ankulaev and Jan Bohovic, so right from there.

00:00:46.000 They legitimately called me while they were still in the gauge.

00:00:52.000 Wow.

00:00:52.000 If you wanted a full camp for a five-round fight, though, what would you prefer?

00:00:57.000 Like, how much time do you really need?

00:00:58.000 I prefer about eight weeks.

00:01:00.000 Eight to ten weeks.

00:01:02.000 So slightly abbreviated, but your performance was phenomenal, man.

00:01:07.000 I mean, it was amazing.

00:01:09.000 To see you pick apart Glover like that and to do so well on the ground, too.

00:01:14.000 I mean, that was a big victory.

00:01:17.000 Yeah, I mean, a lot of people thought that I couldn't do it.

00:01:20.000 That was just the general assumption was that I couldn't grapple on the ground and things like that.

00:01:27.000 That's definitely...

00:01:28.000 But you're getting that general assumption from who though?

00:01:30.000 People online?

00:01:32.000 Just pics.

00:01:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:34.000 Just people like an analyst.

00:01:36.000 Then the fighters or whatever that I talk to, they be like...

00:01:40.000 They always say, it's always something that they say.

00:01:43.000 Even guys in the division, you know, they were like, oh, he's just a boxer.

00:01:47.000 You know, I don't know if he can really wrestle or if he can really ask, like, kicks or anything like that.

00:01:51.000 They're questioning the kicks, too.

00:01:53.000 That's some of the biggest moments in the fight, that left high kick of yours.

00:01:57.000 Yeah.

00:01:58.000 Well, people are going to question you until they can't anymore.

00:02:01.000 That's how it goes.

00:02:02.000 You know, there's always, ah, I don't know about this guy, and then all of a sudden he's the best ever.

00:02:06.000 You never know.

00:02:07.000 Right, and that's why I'm just hungry for, you know what I mean, for names, man.

00:02:10.000 I'm hungry for the next challenge.

00:02:12.000 What did it feel like when they strapped that thing around your waist?

00:02:16.000 Man, it's a hard thing to describe.

00:02:20.000 It was just like, almost like unreal, almost like living in a dream, one of the dreams that I've had.

00:02:29.000 It was just like, I don't know, it was just crazy.

00:02:32.000 Just the weight of everything that I did and been through and everything was just, it was a lot.

00:02:37.000 Yeah, it's a lot for everybody.

00:02:39.000 I mean, that's a moment that very few human beings will ever achieve.

00:02:43.000 There's it right now.

00:02:45.000 Yeah, that's when he told me he was about to retire.

00:02:50.000 I mean, it's amazing how long that dude has hung in there.

00:02:53.000 He was the boogeyman for six years.

00:02:56.000 You know, for six years Glover lived in Brazil and he couldn't get a visa.

00:02:59.000 And this was like in the early days, like when Chuck Liddell was the UFC light heavyweight champion.

00:03:05.000 That's how far back Glover goes.

00:03:07.000 Right.

00:03:07.000 I heard something about like he went pro in 2001. Yeah.

00:03:12.000 Crazy.

00:03:13.000 Right?

00:03:15.000 Crazy.

00:03:15.000 Yeah, that's wild.

00:03:16.000 22 years later.

00:03:19.000 Still fighting for a world champion.

00:03:21.000 That fight with Yuri Prohosko where he lost the title, that was a crazy close fight.

00:03:26.000 Until he got caught in that choke.

00:03:28.000 He was ahead.

00:03:29.000 I think he was.

00:03:30.000 Yeah, he was ahead in that fight.

00:03:31.000 I believe he was.

00:03:33.000 That video that you made to Yuri was hilarious.

00:03:36.000 We played it on the podcast.

00:03:38.000 Yeah, man.

00:03:39.000 K let it slide, man.

00:03:40.000 That's what she said!

00:03:41.000 That's what she said.

00:03:42.000 That was the first thing that came in my head whenever he said it.

00:03:45.000 I'm coming.

00:03:46.000 I'm coming.

00:03:48.000 Now, I can't...

00:03:49.000 He's ruined the phrase for me now.

00:03:53.000 Now I can't say it at all, no matter what.

00:03:55.000 Somebody call me and be like, oh, I'm coming.

00:04:01.000 He's an odd duck. 0.95

00:04:03.000 That dude's an odd duck. 0.78

00:04:05.000 He's strange.

00:04:06.000 He's very, very different.

00:04:07.000 Do you see when he was fighting Glover and Glover was beating him up?

00:04:10.000 He was like, good job, good job.

00:04:11.000 I thought it was like, well, you can't do that, man.

00:04:14.000 It looks like you're tapping.

00:04:16.000 What are you doing?

00:04:17.000 He's like, good job, good job.

00:04:18.000 But he's saying good job.

00:04:21.000 Was it Mark Goddard who was the referee?

00:04:23.000 I think it was Mark Goddard.

00:04:25.000 Whoever it was was warning them. 0.99

00:04:26.000 It's like, hey, don't fucking slap them and say, good job. 0.99

00:04:29.000 You can't do that. 0.98

00:04:31.000 Just what a weird thing to do.

00:04:33.000 Guys on top of you, raining blows down.

00:04:35.000 You're like, good job.

00:04:36.000 Good job.

00:04:38.000 Yeah, bro.

00:04:39.000 I don't know.

00:04:40.000 The only thing I can think would be possibly it could be just like a tactic to try to make it seem like, oh, no matter what, you're wasting your time.

00:04:47.000 Right.

00:04:48.000 Type thing.

00:04:49.000 Yeah.

00:04:49.000 Try to get in their head.

00:04:50.000 Because I think even with the whole samurai thing, he obviously wants this image to be believed of and things like that.

00:05:00.000 But I just seen him when I was at the PI a couple of days ago.

00:05:03.000 And he's a nice dude.

00:05:06.000 He walked up.

00:05:06.000 He's like, "Nice to meet you," things like that.

00:05:09.000 And then I came back the next day.

00:05:10.000 I was going into PT, and he was working.

00:05:12.000 He was like, "I'm working on it." You know what I mean?

00:05:15.000 I'm working.

00:05:15.000 I'm like, "Take your time.

00:05:16.000 Do your thing." He's already had the shoulder surgery, right?

00:05:19.000 I don't know.

00:05:20.000 I would assume if he's already trying to run.

00:05:22.000 Yeah, I'm sure he has, because apparently his shoulder was the worst shoulder they had ever seen. 0.98

00:05:27.000 The UFC doctors had never seen a shoulder that fucked up before.

00:05:29.000 Do you know what happened to him? 0.78

00:05:30.000 No.

00:05:31.000 His shoulder went out of socket in training camp, and they tried to put it back in. 0.98

00:05:35.000 And these dudes are yanking on it, these just gym dudes, yanking on it, and they fucked it up way worse. 0.52

00:05:41.000 Yeah, that's never a good idea. 1.00

00:05:43.000 Go to a fucking doctor, man. 1.00

00:05:45.000 You're a world champion. 1.00

00:05:47.000 World champion.

00:05:48.000 And he had to give up his title like that.

00:05:50.000 Well, it's interesting that he did decide to give up his title.

00:05:52.000 He could have held onto it, and they could have had an interim title, and you could be fighting him for the undisputed title, but instead he's like, nope, I'm going to give up my title.

00:06:00.000 That's why I thought he's an odd dude.

00:06:02.000 Yeah, that's strange.

00:06:03.000 Because that's not only like a...

00:06:07.000 That's not only a bad move legacy-wise, that's a bad business move.

00:06:12.000 Because now your next fight, you fight as a challenger.

00:06:15.000 You don't get the same pay-per-view buys.

00:06:19.000 You don't get the same amount of money or none of that.

00:06:23.000 Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

00:06:24.000 I could imagine the thought process behind it.

00:06:27.000 You want to be noble, but you got to take care of your money, bro.

00:06:31.000 You got to take care of your money.

00:06:32.000 I mean, how many world title fights do you get?

00:06:35.000 If you're lucky, if everything goes perfect, and he should know now, especially being injured, like, hey, this could happen, and you could get a catastrophic injury, and you could be out for a year or so.

00:06:45.000 You never know.

00:06:46.000 I think it was a play of him trying to be noble.

00:06:50.000 Just trying to be noble, trying to, like, you know, he does the right thing, where he respects the warrior.

00:06:54.000 I like how you're thinking about it, like 3D chess. 0.99

00:06:57.000 Like, what is this motherfucker doing for real? 0.99

00:06:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:06:59.000 I'm trying to tell you, man. 1.00

00:07:01.000 I think a lot of what he does is meant to put a certain image in your head.

00:07:04.000 You know, so.

00:07:06.000 I'm sure.

00:07:07.000 I mean, it makes sense.

00:07:08.000 It would be smart to do it.

00:07:09.000 I mean, he's got a weird image.

00:07:10.000 He's out there throwing kicks at trees.

00:07:12.000 Right.

00:07:13.000 You know, he's like, wraps a tree up in a foam pad and starts punching it and kicking it.

00:07:17.000 Yelling in the woods.

00:07:18.000 Yeah, like, okay, man.

00:07:19.000 You know, gyms are better.

00:07:21.000 Gyms are definitely better than a tree. 1.00

00:07:22.000 I want to know what it is about being in the woods that just makes them want to yell.

00:07:28.000 What is it?

00:07:30.000 Are you upset with the trees?

00:07:32.000 Do you just feel alone?

00:07:36.000 Do you want to be heard?

00:07:38.000 I mean, these are all questions.

00:07:39.000 Do you want to be heard?

00:07:40.000 Right, right.

00:07:42.000 Does it make you more noble or sophisticated to be in the woods?

00:07:49.000 I don't know.

00:07:50.000 What is it?

00:07:50.000 Remember when Rocky was training for Drago and Rocky IV? Went to the woods, running in the snow, carrying logs and shit.

00:07:59.000 I think, matter of fact, in the... 0.96

00:08:02.000 It makes me feel weird just even saying it in the I'm Coming video. 0.99

00:08:09.000 Damn it. 1.00

00:08:10.000 Damn it. 1.00

00:08:11.000 I don't know another way to say it. 1.00

00:08:12.000 That's what you said!

00:08:14.000 This is crazy.

00:08:16.000 Where you at, though?

00:08:18.000 This is the video.

00:08:19.000 By the way, that's what she said.

00:08:22.000 That's what she said!

00:08:26.000 And the one that he did, though, it's like an axe in a tree stump in the background.

00:08:32.000 Yeah?

00:08:33.000 Did you notice that?

00:08:33.000 No, I didn't notice that.

00:08:34.000 Yeah, bro.

00:08:36.000 He's probably out there chopping wood.

00:08:37.000 Chopping wood.

00:08:38.000 Yeah.

00:08:39.000 I don't know.

00:08:40.000 Oh, look at him.

00:08:41.000 I'm coming.

00:08:46.000 I'm coming! 0.98

00:08:49.000 It is fucking weird, man. 0.98

00:08:52.000 It's like, I guess I wear an axe. 0.99

00:08:55.000 I might have been high when I seen it.

00:08:57.000 It could have just been that post right there.

00:08:58.000 Yeah, I don't see an axe.

00:08:59.000 He's a strange cat, man.

00:09:02.000 That's a strange cat.

00:09:04.000 That was just like...

00:09:07.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.

00:09:11.000 I'm coming.

00:09:12.000 Did you think he's next? 0.98

00:09:13.000 Have they had any conversations with you about who's going to be your first title defense as the champion of the fucking world? 0.99

00:09:19.000 Woo! 0.99

00:09:20.000 Sounds good, Joe.

00:09:21.000 Sounds good, right? 0.98

00:09:22.000 Sounds real fucking good. 0.98

00:09:23.000 And you earned the fuck out of that, too. 0.98

00:09:24.000 Yeah, man. 0.96

00:09:25.000 It was...

00:09:26.000 Yeah, bro.

00:09:27.000 Glover was tough, man.

00:09:30.000 Oh, he's so tough.

00:09:31.000 Like...

00:09:32.000 Like, y'all said that, right?

00:09:35.000 I think we need to put a little bit more emphasis on it.

00:09:38.000 Because, like...

00:09:41.000 It's not just that he's tough.

00:09:43.000 He's tough.

00:09:44.000 He's tough.

00:09:44.000 And while he's being tough, he's still fighting intelligently.

00:09:48.000 You get what I'm saying?

00:09:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:09:50.000 So, like, for not one second, then I hit him with something, and it was like, oh, shit. 0.97

00:09:56.000 I was like, oh, I don't want to get hit with whatever's next. 0.99

00:09:58.000 Right.

00:09:58.000 Cover up.

00:09:59.000 Like, you know what I mean?

00:09:59.000 Like, that one, like, oh, I need to find, like, protection type.

00:10:03.000 Right.

00:10:03.000 He never did that.

00:10:05.000 You know?

00:10:05.000 And that was just, like, crazy.

00:10:07.000 Because it was one sequence, like, I think it was, like, in the third where I hit him with right hand, right hand, elbow, left hand. 0.97

00:10:16.000 It's like, at no point was he like, oh, shit, I need to cover up or anything. 0.92

00:10:20.000 Because, like, I mean, I finished you at that point. 0.73

00:10:22.000 But it's like...

00:10:24.000 That was in the ground and pound sequence.

00:10:26.000 Yeah, when you're on top of him.

00:10:27.000 That was so close.

00:10:28.000 A lot of referees would have stopped it. 1.00

00:10:30.000 A lot of referees would have stopped it there. 1.00

00:10:32.000 I mean, you were dropping bombs on him, but yeah, he kept moving.

00:10:35.000 Kept moving.

00:10:36.000 He kept trying to...

00:10:36.000 He kicked me in the face.

00:10:39.000 From the bottom?

00:10:40.000 Yeah, he grabbed my arm and pulled me like he was going to try to pull me into his guard.

00:10:44.000 And then when I went in, as soon as I was like, so obviously to not go in, you got to sit up.

00:10:48.000 I sat up.

00:10:49.000 He kicked me in the face.

00:10:50.000 Yeah.

00:10:51.000 He's a crafty fella.

00:10:52.000 Yeah, man.

00:10:53.000 I think his time with Alex Pajeda really improved him too towards the very end of his career when he started training with Alex.

00:11:02.000 Because there's something about having that dude in camp with him and he's on the run for the middleweight title that it all came together.

00:11:10.000 Some of his last fights were some of his best.

00:11:12.000 The Jan Bohovic fight, the Yuri Prochaska fight. 0.98

00:11:17.000 Those are fucking great fights, man. 0.99

00:11:20.000 Yeah, he's harder to hit clean than I thought. 0.99

00:11:25.000 Because he turns his face a little, rolls with stuff?

00:11:27.000 Yeah, a little bit of that, but it's like, it's his hands, right?

00:11:31.000 So, he definitely learns from the people that he fights, because he was definitely doing a little John Jones to me.

00:11:37.000 You know, the little, like, gonna kind of poke his hands out.

00:11:41.000 And he watched it a couple times, like, I wanted to follow up with some shots with some combos, but the way he was, like, blocking, he's, like, going...

00:11:47.000 Like this or like putting his elbow up like this.

00:11:50.000 Kind of like poking his fingers, like jibbing his fingers towards my face.

00:11:56.000 Yeah, that's a weird gray area, right?

00:11:59.000 Yeah.

00:12:00.000 You know, because John poked a lot of people in the eyes.

00:12:03.000 Yeah.

00:12:03.000 You know, I'm sure he didn't mean to do it, but that style of doing it like that, of having the hands out, especially when you're as long as John, It's a, you know, it's a very, it's a very gray area.

00:12:15.000 You're not supposed to do that.

00:12:17.000 Yeah, no, you're not supposed to do it, but it's done.

00:12:20.000 It's done.

00:12:21.000 It's done.

00:12:21.000 It's done quite a bit.

00:12:22.000 Yeah.

00:12:23.000 Especially like whenever you see somebody get hit with something like solid and they start to like kind of get crowded and they want to get some space or they want to try to really keep you from coming forward.

00:12:33.000 That's the first thing that it does.

00:12:34.000 Yeah.

00:12:35.000 What could be done about that, though, the eye pokes?

00:12:38.000 The only thing that I think is a change of the gloves.

00:12:40.000 They have to figure out something to make a better glove that doesn't encourage your hands to be open.

00:12:44.000 You know, I mean, we talked about this before, but Trevor Whitman, you know, Gaethje's trainer, he's got a way better glove.

00:12:51.000 He makes his own material, Onyx. 0.94

00:12:54.000 He makes his own gloves and shin pads, and they're fucking top-notch.

00:12:58.000 But he made a better glove, and I don't know why the UFC is not using it. 0.70

00:13:01.000 I don't know what's going on.

00:13:02.000 I don't know if they have to get it approved by the commissions.

00:13:04.000 I don't know what the deal is, but it's a far superior glove.

00:13:07.000 Does it affect the grappling?

00:13:09.000 Yeah, no, no, it doesn't.

00:13:10.000 But it keeps your hand curved.

00:13:12.000 Like, the natural state of it is to have your hand in a curved position versus open.

00:13:16.000 With the UFC gloves, you put those on, your hand wants to be open, and you have to kind of close it.

00:13:21.000 And tighten it down.

00:13:23.000 With his gloves, it starts out in a folded position.

00:13:26.000 Like, it's much easier.

00:13:27.000 So even if you were, like, extending your hand, you would extend it like you would if you had a tie glove, a boxing glove on.

00:13:33.000 Right.

00:13:33.000 You know?

00:13:34.000 I just think there's got to be something. 0.99

00:13:36.000 There's so many fucking eye pokes. 0.98

00:13:37.000 You guys both poked each other in that fight accidentally. 0.99

00:13:40.000 The only difference is when I poked him in the eye, it helped him.

00:13:45.000 All right?

00:13:45.000 Because that knee, that knee I caught him with right in the sternum right before that.

00:13:50.000 If I actually am able to put the frame on him like I want to, he's eating a head kick.

00:13:55.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:13:58.000 Me, whenever he poked me in the eye though, I was on his ass. 1.00

00:14:03.000 I was on his ass. 1.00

00:14:04.000 I think I just landed like an uppercut. 0.99

00:14:07.000 Yeah, I just landed like an uppercut.

00:14:09.000 I was right after Lil Weave, the Lil Weave sequence.

00:14:13.000 Smooth.

00:14:14.000 How many times have you watched it?

00:14:15.000 How many times have you watched it?

00:14:17.000 I watched it a few times.

00:14:18.000 I watched it a few times.

00:14:19.000 It was just one little sequence in the beginning.

00:14:24.000 Towards the end of the first round, I remember it happening in the fight, but I wanted to see how it looked on camera.

00:14:32.000 It was alright.

00:14:34.000 Pretty smooth.

00:14:35.000 Oh listen, it was a very good performance.

00:14:37.000 It was very...

00:14:38.000 you were very crafty.

00:14:41.000 That was the the thing about the fight that I really enjoyed is like watching your setups and all your feints and luring them in and the way you're moving in and out like it was very...

00:14:51.000 because I had seen all that in other fights but with all the stakes on the line in Brazil fighting for the title and I think you were at your best.

00:15:01.000 I really do.

00:15:02.000 I rise to the occasion.

00:15:03.000 I really lock in.

00:15:05.000 I understand the situation.

00:15:07.000 I understand the moment.

00:15:08.000 So that's why I work so hard to get to it.

00:15:10.000 And then I trust the work that I put in.

00:15:13.000 So at that point, it's just I do what you do every day.

00:15:16.000 Everything.

00:15:17.000 Your pacing.

00:15:17.000 You just were so smart about when to hit the gas.

00:15:21.000 When to just give them looks and catch your breath.

00:15:25.000 It was just phenomenal, man.

00:15:27.000 Nothing surprised me.

00:15:29.000 Nothing surprised me in that fight.

00:15:32.000 That's the thing about being around for a long time.

00:15:35.000 There's so much film on you.

00:15:37.000 People watch your habits.

00:15:39.000 After you've been fighting for so long, people can see when you stop evolving.

00:15:44.000 They can see, alright, this is what he does.

00:15:46.000 You know, and then that's where it comes in.

00:15:49.000 Like, alright, this is what we know he's going to do.

00:15:51.000 This is what we're going to do in place of this.

00:15:53.000 You know, then we get Anthony Smith in, and he's like, yo, there's some things that he does that surprise me in our fight.

00:16:00.000 I realize he did this, and these are some things I would have done differently.

00:16:03.000 Like, what kind of things did he do that surprised Anthony?

00:16:07.000 His grip, I think he said his grip, how strong he was, how hard it was to break his grip.

00:16:14.000 Wrist control?

00:16:15.000 Yeah, so instead of trying to fight his grip, fight like the underhooks and fight like the positioning. 0.97

00:16:23.000 So a couple times he got his hands clashed, Behind my up, under my butt.

00:16:28.000 If you notice, I didn't fight his grip. 0.95

00:16:30.000 I wasn't fighting his grip.

00:16:31.000 I started fighting at his elbows.

00:16:32.000 I started fighting at his shoulders.

00:16:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:35.000 Just other things away from where his strengths were.

00:16:39.000 And then that trip, that trip that he got me down with in the fifth.

00:16:46.000 Smith had told me about that.

00:16:47.000 So whenever he did it, so whenever he actually did it, he showed me about it.

00:16:50.000 I was like, oh, it was slick.

00:16:52.000 So when I was actually feeling it, it was like, oh, yeah, it was slick.

00:16:54.000 But it was like, all right.

00:16:55.000 I know what to do.

00:16:56.000 Bang, I lay in here.

00:16:58.000 That's why I don't panic.

00:17:00.000 None of that.

00:17:00.000 Just chill and go through what I've been doing.

00:17:04.000 Everything we worked on was that.

00:17:07.000 Now, your takedown defense was amazing, too.

00:17:10.000 Because there was some times, especially in the first round, he got in pretty deep on you.

00:17:13.000 You just shucked it all off.

00:17:15.000 Yeah, I think that's why you're kind of...

00:17:20.000 He wasn't able to really fight and try to turn it into a scramble because I wasn't going to allow him.

00:17:24.000 I wasn't going to allow him to turn it into a scramble for a takedown.

00:17:26.000 So whenever he did shoot in, I just met him with hard frames.

00:17:30.000 Whenever I was hitting, those hip pumps were hard.

00:17:34.000 So immediately hip bump, put a frame for him to fight through. 0.57

00:17:38.000 If you're going to get this takedown, it's going to cost you a lot to get it.

00:17:43.000 So that was pretty much the game plan.

00:17:46.000 Make him do that and make him work.

00:17:50.000 Well, while we're at range, touch him up.

00:17:52.000 Then you did that. 0.99

00:17:55.000 When you woke up in the morning the next day, was it like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:17:59.000 Did that really happen? 0.99

00:18:00.000 You think I went to sleep, Joe?

00:18:03.000 You think I went to sleep, Joe?

00:18:07.000 No time for sleep.

00:18:10.000 I dozed off for maybe like, we were up until maybe like 11, 11.30.

00:18:18.000 I was like, we should probably take a nap or something, get some sleep.

00:18:23.000 I think like, I went into my room, I laid down, I just like kind of laid there.

00:18:29.000 You know, I didn't really sleep.

00:18:30.000 Did you lay there next to the belt?

00:18:33.000 That's how they got that picture, that picture of me laying with a belt.

00:18:37.000 Eventually, I dozed off for maybe like an hour, hour and a half.

00:18:41.000 It was like a couple hours after everybody went to go lay down and everything.

00:18:46.000 I dozed off for maybe like an hour, hour and a half after sitting up for a while.

00:18:50.000 And I woke up, and they were all up on the roof, so we just kind of went up on the roof.

00:18:55.000 Little bar up there and stuff.

00:18:57.000 Just hung out.

00:18:58.000 Yeah.

00:18:58.000 New world.

00:19:00.000 Yeah.

00:19:01.000 You're in a new world.

00:19:02.000 Yeah, bro.

00:19:03.000 It's crazy, you know, but it's...

00:19:05.000 I don't know.

00:19:07.000 There it is.

00:19:08.000 Yeah.

00:19:09.000 Yeah, I was asleep.

00:19:11.000 I eventually passed out and then...

00:19:15.000 What was your experience like in Brazil?

00:19:17.000 Did you like it there?

00:19:18.000 Yeah.

00:19:18.000 Yeah, actually.

00:19:19.000 Beautiful, right?

00:19:21.000 Yeah, it was beautiful. 1.00

00:19:21.000 Nice fucking people. 1.00

00:19:22.000 Nice people. 1.00

00:19:24.000 Great weather.

00:19:25.000 Beautiful sights.

00:19:26.000 Great food.

00:19:28.000 Beautiful sights.

00:19:29.000 Yeah.

00:19:30.000 All kinds of sights, right?

00:19:31.000 Yeah.

00:19:36.000 Makes you look at sites a little different.

00:19:38.000 Yeah, like, wow, there's some genetics down here.

00:19:40.000 No!

00:19:41.000 What?

00:19:42.000 Crazy.

00:19:44.000 You know?

00:19:45.000 Beautiful.

00:19:46.000 Yeah, beautiful.

00:19:47.000 Beautiful.

00:19:47.000 Great people, man.

00:19:48.000 It's a wild place to be, too, because when you think about Brazil and the UFC and jiu-jitsu, it's all from there.

00:19:56.000 I mean, without Brazil, the UFC would not be what it is. 0.72

00:19:59.000 I mean, who knows if it would have ever even happened or if it happened way, way later.

00:20:03.000 And if it wasn't for Horry and Gracie, it wasn't for the Gracie family, it wasn't for Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, we wouldn't be here.

00:20:09.000 Yeah, no man.

00:20:11.000 Crazy.

00:20:11.000 Crazy that one family can have such an impact on the martial arts world.

00:20:16.000 Hey, it had an impact on me.

00:20:19.000 Coiler Gracie, the guy in my corner, that's Hoyce Gracie's nephew.

00:20:23.000 Oh, wow.

00:20:24.000 So, you know, that's who our head instructor under our jiu-jitsu program, that's who we've been training under for, I think we joined under him maybe like about 10 years ago.

00:20:41.000 When did you, what was the first UFC that you saw?

00:20:44.000 How old were you?

00:20:46.000 The first UFC I saw was the Anderson Silva vs.

00:20:49.000 Forrest Griffin.

00:20:50.000 I think I was like 19. Oh, wow.

00:20:51.000 That was 18. That was a good one to see because Anderson was a wizard back then.

00:20:57.000 He was a wizard.

00:20:58.000 That's what got me hooked.

00:21:00.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:02.000 That's really what started the path towards all of this.

00:21:06.000 Because like...

00:21:09.000 So, I've been in a lot of fights growing up, right?

00:21:12.000 So, like, I'm like, growing up, I've been in different, I fought big, small, short, fast, like, all these dudes, right?

00:21:21.000 And sitting there, watching that, and seeing what he did to him, it was like, okay.

00:21:33.000 Can I do that?

00:21:35.000 Yeah.

00:21:37.000 And right now, while I can't do that, I definitely don't want to run into somebody that can do that.

00:21:43.000 I think I should probably become one of those guys that can do that.

00:21:49.000 You know, when people talk about goats, and I do think Jon Jones is a great argument for the greatest of all time, just based on his record.

00:21:57.000 But I feel like there's moments in guys' careers, and those moments kind of get diluted when you see later performances that aren't as good, maybe when they're older.

00:22:06.000 But when Anderson was in his prime, He was a magician.

00:22:11.000 There was something about him, man.

00:22:13.000 He had this unstoppable aura. 0.99

00:22:17.000 He was so at peace and so calm, and he would smile at guys, and you knew he was fucking them up. 0.98

00:22:22.000 He was fucking everybody up, and it was the way he was doing it. 0.99

00:22:25.000 He was doing it like it was magic. 0.97

00:22:28.000 When he knocked out Forrest, it was like Forrest didn't have a chance in the world of hitting him.

00:22:32.000 He was just waiting for the spot, moving backwards.

00:22:36.000 Yeah.

00:22:36.000 Man, that was, it was, I never seen anything like it, just a whoop whoop.

00:22:41.000 Yeah.

00:22:43.000 Bang! 1.00

00:22:43.000 Yeah, when he was on, when he was at his best, like the Vitor Belfort fight, during those times in his prime, man, he, like, when he first got into the UFC, when he lit up Chris Lieben, I was like, oh boy, everybody's fucked. 1.00

00:22:57.000 Everybody in this division's fucked. 0.91

00:22:59.000 And it was just one of those times where you saw a guy who was total next level who had just entered into the sport. 0.99

00:23:05.000 And it changed everybody's idea of what was possible with striking.

00:23:09.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:23:10.000 He definitely did that for me.

00:23:13.000 I used to have this, whenever I first started, my amateur, early on amateur, my first fights, I think I made my amateur debut back, I think it was March 6, 2010 or something like that.

00:23:27.000 So, like, I used to watch.

00:23:30.000 I used to have a highlight video and just roll through, like, of all these fights and things.

00:23:35.000 And I don't know, something about just watching that video made me feel like, all right, like, just watching greatness made me believe that I could be great.

00:23:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:43.000 I used to watch it before every fight, and I was just going in and annihilating people.

00:23:50.000 Actually, my second amateur fight was against my godbrother, right?

00:23:56.000 Really?

00:23:57.000 Yeah.

00:23:57.000 So he actually had brought, after I watched the Anderson Silva fight, he had a fight.

00:24:06.000 He did like an MMA fight.

00:24:07.000 He came back, he had the videos, you know, I seen him, like, you know, it was like, Alright, it can actually be done.

00:24:15.000 It's actually possible.

00:24:16.000 It's actually a scene for it around here.

00:24:18.000 Then that's when I found my own gym.

00:24:20.000 That's when I found my coaches.

00:24:21.000 My coaches that are here with me.

00:24:25.000 And I started training with them.

00:24:28.000 And I'd say maybe like four months later, four and a half months later.

00:24:34.000 About four months later, I ended up fighting him on like a week notice.

00:24:40.000 Did you guys have a conversation?

00:24:41.000 Yeah.

00:24:42.000 Whenever they hit me up and asked me about it, I was like, alright, let me hit him up and I'm going to talk to him about it.

00:24:46.000 And he was like, yeah, you know, he was like, it's just a sport.

00:24:50.000 It's what we got into, you know, it's part of the game, you know.

00:24:55.000 Of course, now I feel differently about it just for the simple fact of, like, We wasn't making no money.

00:25:02.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:03.000 So it was like...

00:25:05.000 Now it would have been a no.

00:25:07.000 But I'm just not getting into it.

00:25:09.000 I'm trying to get the experience I can.

00:25:10.000 I'm trying to...

00:25:11.000 Whatever.

00:25:12.000 So we did.

00:25:13.000 And I ended up winning in like...

00:25:15.000 I think it was like 40-something seconds.

00:25:18.000 And then I... Ended choking this guy out after that in like 30 seconds.

00:25:25.000 So when I came out, I was just whooping people.

00:25:30.000 Then my fourth amateur fight was a title fight.

00:25:36.000 And it was a lot like the Glover Teixeira fight. 0.99

00:25:39.000 Bro, I whooped this dude's ass, bro. 0.99

00:25:45.000 Fur rounds. 1.00

00:25:46.000 His lip was almost inside out.

00:25:50.000 His eye was gashed above.

00:25:54.000 His eye was completely closed.

00:25:56.000 But he would not stop coming after me, bro.

00:25:59.000 He would not stop coming at me just trying to hit me.

00:26:04.000 And then I think I got tired.

00:26:08.000 But they, but like, I think like the first round, the first round, I had him down, pinned in a full mound, pounding him, like pounding him out.

00:26:16.000 And they stopped around like a minute early.

00:26:19.000 Whoa.

00:26:20.000 Yeah.

00:26:20.000 Was he a hometown guy?

00:26:22.000 Yeah.

00:26:23.000 Oh, man.

00:26:23.000 Yeah, so he was like, like.

00:26:26.000 Yeah, trying to save him.

00:26:27.000 And there was no commission.

00:26:29.000 You gotta think, there was no commission back in Michigan back in the day.

00:26:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:33.000 So it was just like, basically like guys just renting out venues, renting out a cage, and just putting on fights.

00:26:39.000 And so like, yeah, bro.

00:26:43.000 Then the next round, I think I caught him with a head kick, and he stopped it a minute early again.

00:26:48.000 Then I ended up eventually getting tired.

00:26:50.000 That's why amateur-wise, eventually it was just like, it's a no contest.

00:26:55.000 But I actually got caught in a guillotine.

00:26:57.000 At the end of that, like, after I got tired, like, I think it was, like, maybe, like, the fourth, fifth round or something like that, I got caught in a guillotine.

00:27:05.000 Because I just tried to shoot on him. 0.83

00:27:06.000 I just tried to shoot. 0.97

00:27:08.000 Like, I'm tired.

00:27:09.000 I'm gonna hold him down, catch my breath, and then, you know.

00:27:12.000 But I didn't finish the takedown.

00:27:13.000 It was not my best work, Joe.

00:27:17.000 Not my best work.

00:27:18.000 And I got caught in a good team.

00:27:20.000 You started your training with just MMA. Is that the first training you'd ever done?

00:27:26.000 Have you done any karate or anything when you were younger?

00:27:29.000 When I was a kid, I did taekwondo.

00:27:31.000 I did a little taekwondo whenever I was a kid.

00:27:33.000 But most of it was just like...

00:27:36.000 Stuff my dad showed me, you know what I mean?

00:27:38.000 Just about how to hold tight, how to roll with punches and things like that.

00:27:43.000 And then my uncles showed me things.

00:27:46.000 I was always into martial arts.

00:27:49.000 My brother that passed away before I went pro He was into martial arts like I was.

00:28:01.000 So he would hear some things, and he was really smart.

00:28:06.000 So he'd hear some things, he'd see some techniques he'd show with me, and we'd just kind of dialogue about things.

00:28:11.000 Then you had movies like The Matrix and stuff like that.

00:28:15.000 Obviously the stuff wasn't real, right?

00:28:19.000 But even in some of that...

00:28:23.000 They mimic certain real martial arts.

00:28:25.000 Wing Chun is a real thing.

00:28:27.000 Maybe not the most effective thing, but parts of it are effective.

00:28:31.000 And that's kind of our thing.

00:28:33.000 Parts of what martial arts are effective.

00:28:35.000 So he was already essentially playing with martial arts without even really knowing.

00:28:44.000 It was just an interest, though.

00:28:47.000 Tony Ferguson uses Wing Chun.

00:28:50.000 You see, he does a lot of Wing Chun dummies.

00:28:52.000 He practices with the dummy, but you see it in fights sometimes.

00:28:56.000 Like, he'll catch a wrist and use an elbow, or he'll catch a wrist and come with a punch.

00:29:01.000 Yeah.

00:29:02.000 There's something to it.

00:29:03.000 There's certain parts of every martial art that can be effective.

00:29:06.000 Yeah.

00:29:06.000 As long as you combine them with the stuff that we know is effective.

00:29:09.000 Right.

00:29:09.000 Yeah.

00:29:09.000 Right.

00:29:10.000 There's just some that are more effective, like boxing, wrestling, kickboxing.

00:29:13.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:14.000 You know?

00:29:15.000 But if you can have strong fundamentals in those and then be able to sprinkle in some of the things, like some people do, that's why you get the crazy spinning attacks from some dudes.

00:29:24.000 Like Yair Rodriguez is fighting this weekend.

00:29:27.000 Right.

00:29:27.000 Those are just different techniques.

00:29:29.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:29.000 You know, those are just different, different arts.

00:29:33.000 And then he's just picking which one out of which bag that he wants to go.

00:29:38.000 Like spinning kicks and like tee kicks, those are more like karate.

00:29:42.000 You know, but they're more generalized now in MMA. Leg kicks, that's a Muay Thai thing. 0.95

00:29:51.000 You know, calf kicks, yeah, Muay Thai, jab, a jab is really more boxing-based, you know, but it's effective in more forms of fighting, so it's just like that.

00:30:05.000 Did you, so you started like hardcore training, you were 18 around there?

00:30:11.000 So that was like when you really just started learning everything.

00:30:14.000 Right.

00:30:15.000 Learning everything together.

00:30:16.000 Wrestling, jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, all of it together.

00:30:19.000 Right.

00:30:20.000 I started out with jiu-jitsu and Muay Thai basically.

00:30:24.000 And then how long into it were you like, I think I'm going to be a world champion?

00:30:31.000 See, that's the thing about me being arrogant.

00:30:33.000 When I got into it originally, I thought I could be a world champion.

00:30:36.000 But it's just like, you never really know.

00:30:39.000 Think about when you were a kid and you could believe you could do anything.

00:30:43.000 That's the type of belief that I have.

00:30:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:46.000 It's just never changed.

00:30:48.000 I'm realistic about things like, alright, if I can't, or how much I want something and things like that.

00:30:55.000 But as far as believing what I can do, I bet I can do anything.

00:31:00.000 You know, so it's like whenever I stepped in, it was like, yeah, world champion. 0.99

00:31:05.000 Because whenever I came in, although I watched Anderson Silva and I was in awe of him, I wanted to know, can I whoop his ass? 0.98

00:31:13.000 So that's when my MMA journey started. 0.98

00:31:15.000 That's what that was.

00:31:16.000 That was me chasing Anderson Silva to see if I can.

00:31:18.000 I started fighting at 185. When I was 18, I was fighting 185. Because you're not real heavy for 205. What do you walk around at when you're training?

00:31:30.000 When I walk around training, maybe like between 230 and 230. Some of those guys get big.

00:31:37.000 I mean, I can't get up to around like 240, 245. That's around what I was whenever they called me for the Glover fight.

00:31:44.000 You don't think you could make 185 again?

00:31:46.000 I probably could.

00:31:49.000 For the right fight.

00:31:51.000 That would be a good fight.

00:31:52.000 Or champ, champ, champ.

00:31:55.000 Oh, heavyweight too.

00:31:56.000 Why not?

00:31:57.000 Why not?

00:31:58.000 You can't make welterweight.

00:31:59.000 No, no. 0.99

00:32:01.000 Hamza, I don't know how the fuck he makes it. 0.99

00:32:03.000 No. 0.99

00:32:04.000 When you're around that dude in between fights, you're like, what the fuck is going on? 0.98

00:32:08.000 There's not a world where you weigh 170 pounds. 0.94

00:32:11.000 I don't think I've ever seen him in person.

00:32:12.000 He's a big fella.

00:32:14.000 He's big.

00:32:15.000 He's like Johnny Walker, though.

00:32:16.000 I don't know how Johnny Walker makes 205. He's huge.

00:32:19.000 He's huge.

00:32:20.000 Most dudes that are big, tall like that, they'd be like, where's he skinny at?

00:32:25.000 Right, he's big.

00:32:26.000 He's just a big dude.

00:32:27.000 Yeah, he looks like a heavyweight.

00:32:28.000 When you dropped him, dude, that was one of the craziest knockouts.

00:32:31.000 It was like, Timber!

00:32:34.000 At first, I wasn't like, I don't know, man.

00:32:37.000 It was just like, from my point of view, I slipped, I slipped, bang.

00:32:42.000 I felt the clean connection.

00:32:46.000 But he had swung, too, so I kind of dipped.

00:32:50.000 I kind of dip back and then when I look, all I see is his hands back.

00:32:53.000 Now to me, I know that's like a...

00:32:55.000 Boom! 0.99

00:32:56.000 When his hands go up, I'm like, okay, that's like a he's hurt type thing.

00:33:00.000 That's why I just load it up to just follow up.

00:33:02.000 I'm not thinking like, oh, he's out right then and there.

00:33:04.000 It's funny because I've heard people not believe in your power.

00:33:09.000 And I don't understand it.

00:33:10.000 I've had conversations with people that are like, oh, he doesn't hit that hard. 0.99

00:33:13.000 I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

00:33:15.000 The fuck are you talking about? 1.00

00:33:17.000 You're watching people fly across the ring and go unconscious. 1.00

00:33:19.000 How do you think he's not hitting hard?

00:33:23.000 It's weird when some people just decide that someone is not as good.

00:33:28.000 And like, I'm seeing something.

00:33:30.000 I'm watching you fight.

00:33:31.000 And I'm like, this dude's clever.

00:33:33.000 This dude's dangerous.

00:33:35.000 He catches chins. 1.00

00:33:36.000 You know how to catch chins.

00:33:37.000 You have a sense of where they're at, where they're gonna go, and then you find them.

00:33:42.000 I'm like, that's an unusual talent.

00:33:45.000 And some people are like, oh, he doesn't hit that hard.

00:33:48.000 He didn't hit Johnny that hard. 1.00

00:33:49.000 I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:33:51.000 Watch that. 0.99

00:33:51.000 What happened there? 0.99

00:33:52.000 That's about as clean as you can land a shot, especially to the tempo.

00:33:58.000 I understand.

00:33:59.000 I understand fighting.

00:34:01.000 Whenever I was sitting...

00:34:03.000 Learning and being taught things, I not only wanted to know how to do it, I wanted to know the physics behind it.

00:34:12.000 And in doing that, I understand the fighting and angles and things like that on a different level.

00:34:20.000 It's like...

00:34:22.000 How can I explain this?

00:34:27.000 The three things that I know That I know that I can do, that I see constantly in fights that most people don't do.

00:34:36.000 I understand where I am in a fight, as far as positional-wise, what's happening in the fight, what my options are, and what they're trying to do.

00:34:49.000 It's just almost embedded into my senses, to where my body reacts and it does the things naturally.

00:34:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:35:00.000 That's why I like that part in the fight where I just float and just move.

00:35:05.000 Did I see what he was throwing, honestly?

00:35:10.000 No.

00:35:10.000 But you kind of knew where it was going.

00:35:12.000 But I understood, based off of where it was going, what's next?

00:35:16.000 It's crazy, especially when I'm locked in.

00:35:18.000 It's one of the dopest feelings in the world that I wish I could plug a wire from myself into others so they could just...

00:35:27.000 Just see it maybe from my eyes or just how I'm feeling it or whatever.

00:35:31.000 But it's just like...

00:35:32.000 That's how I knew I was really good.

00:35:35.000 You know?

00:35:36.000 I think it was before the Santos fight.

00:35:39.000 We were in the back or we were doing pad work and I was just flowing.

00:35:42.000 You know?

00:35:42.000 And I was feeling good and I'm hitting the pads.

00:35:44.000 I'm like, alright.

00:35:45.000 And I'm now...

00:35:46.000 Sometimes whenever I hit pads, I'll kind of put myself out of weird angle just to try different things.

00:35:51.000 You know?

00:35:51.000 Just to land here, to get here, to get to where I want to get here.

00:35:54.000 And like, it just hit me like...

00:35:56.000 There's nothing in a fight that I can't do.

00:36:00.000 And there's nothing that I can't do in a fight at the highest level.

00:36:03.000 And it was like, I've been working head down, working so long, just adding to my bag, adding to my bag.

00:36:09.000 And I never really actually looked up and looked at what I had.

00:36:12.000 And in that moment, that was one of the times that I actually did.

00:36:16.000 And I realized, like, I'm ready to be the best in the world.

00:36:20.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:36:21.000 For real.

00:36:21.000 That's awesome.

00:36:23.000 I felt that.

00:36:24.000 You know what's inspiring about that? 0.94

00:36:26.000 There's some young kid that was just like you that's probably watching that fight and watching what you did and like practicing it and fucking around in his living room and fucking around with his friends and is like, I think I can do this too. 0.94

00:36:38.000 You know? 0.89

00:36:39.000 Like your success will inspire someone the same way Anderson Silva inspired you.

00:36:43.000 Yeah, man.

00:36:44.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:36:45.000 Yeah, it is.

00:36:46.000 That's amazing.

00:36:47.000 And having that ability to see those great fighters, too, is so huge for young, up-and-coming guys.

00:36:54.000 Because having someone who's just coming up who can see you, or having those tapes, you could watch Fedor and watch Anderson and watch all the fighters that were in their primes.

00:37:06.000 You get this sense of what's possible.

00:37:09.000 And then you go and try to incorporate that into your own game, and it just makes everybody better.

00:37:14.000 Yeah, man.

00:37:15.000 I was hungry for evolution.

00:37:17.000 So, like, I had a period where, like, I just wanted to learn and just be able to do, like, just flow through flow.

00:37:26.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:27.000 Like, I don't know if you've ever been in a fight or been, like, in training and you're just flowing.

00:37:31.000 Like, you're sparring.

00:37:32.000 You're just flowing.

00:37:33.000 You're just, like, feeling good.

00:37:34.000 You're not even thinking.

00:37:36.000 Exactly.

00:37:37.000 You know, I just wanted to add to that.

00:37:39.000 Like, being able to do it in more positions and more steps, more angles.

00:37:43.000 You know, I just wanted to do it.

00:37:45.000 So, I was legitimately renting the fights.

00:37:49.000 I've rented a lot of fights from, like, I think it was Family Video.

00:37:53.000 They had a bunch of UFC fights.

00:37:55.000 So, like, I'm renting those.

00:37:57.000 I'm pulling up YouTube, YouTube boxing videos, you know, some kickboxing, some wrestling.

00:38:03.000 So, like, any little things that I can try to learn that I can see, like, all right, that was nice, that was effective.

00:38:08.000 And then I can start to do it and then try to turn it, flip it into my own.

00:38:12.000 You know, and, bro, like...

00:38:15.000 That was one of the things that was hard coming up.

00:38:17.000 Like, whenever people are like, oh, you can't do this, you can't do this.

00:38:19.000 Like, bro, my bag is deep.

00:38:21.000 Like, my bag is deep.

00:38:23.000 And it's just, now it's, I just get to show it now.

00:38:28.000 Yeah.

00:38:28.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:29.000 Now it's just about winning.

00:38:32.000 And still, the thing is about you, like, how old do you now?

00:38:36.000 31. 31. Start training at 18. Like, you're still getting better.

00:38:42.000 Like, this is not like you just honing your skills and keeping them tight.

00:38:46.000 Like, no, you're constantly improving.

00:38:48.000 And that's not a lot of time at training.

00:38:52.000 You know, you really become, like, elite at what you're doing, you know, with whatever the 10,000-hour rule is.

00:38:59.000 You apply that.

00:38:59.000 Like, you're, like, still getting better.

00:39:02.000 Yeah, and I still had years where I had to take off, you know what I mean, where I had to do other things and stuff like that.

00:39:10.000 I'll be wrong, I always had periods, and there's still no time a little bit where I did make it to the gym a few times, but it hasn't been a whole solid 13 years.

00:39:24.000 And now that you're the champ, more resources are available to you, more time, and then also there's the confidence that comes from being a champ.

00:39:33.000 Most guys, when they become champ, then they hit another level.

00:39:36.000 They hit another level once they're champ.

00:39:40.000 Yeah, I did feel that a little something different, just in how the way it happened.

00:39:48.000 Everything went how we thought it was going to go.

00:39:52.000 I did think I was going to have to deal with some adversity, so he landed some shots.

00:39:56.000 You know, but I'm good at rolling shots.

00:39:59.000 I'm good at rolling off with shots.

00:40:00.000 You know, that's why sometimes you say I get hit and I don't give any space.

00:40:03.000 That's because you may have touched me, but you didn't hit me.

00:40:06.000 Right.

00:40:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:40:08.000 So it's like not a lot of guys that have the skill and the understanding that I have are actually willing to just get in and fight, too.

00:40:19.000 You know, because...

00:40:21.000 At the end of the day, you push that envelope enough to where it's like, alright, the thing is now you have to fight this.

00:40:28.000 I'm good with that.

00:40:30.000 And I have fun with that too.

00:40:33.000 I don't know, man.

00:40:34.000 I'm just built for this.

00:40:35.000 Well, that's what it takes.

00:40:37.000 If you want to be a world champion, you have to have that crazy belief in yourself like you had in the very beginning.

00:40:42.000 You've got to put in that time and you've got to have that hunger and desire.

00:40:45.000 You've got it all.

00:40:47.000 That's a beautiful thing, man.

00:40:49.000 Top of the world, Jamal Hill.

00:40:51.000 Man, it's just fun being in there, man.

00:40:55.000 I just have fun out being in there.

00:40:58.000 I feel like I'm just locked into something different.

00:41:02.000 I don't know.

00:41:02.000 Whenever, for anybody listening or whatever, for me, it's like whenever you're doing something you're really good at, maybe you ever seen like back in...

00:41:15.000 I was about to say back in high school, but we might have had different experiences in high school.

00:41:24.000 Like typing.

00:41:25.000 Have you ever seen somebody that can type straight up like this?

00:41:29.000 I can't type like that.

00:41:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:41:33.000 But there was a time where I did take typing class where I did kind of get it so like I can understand like It's like when you're really good at something.

00:41:44.000 When you're really good at something and you're just doing it and it just comes natural to you, maybe not a lot of other people can do it.

00:41:50.000 That's how I feel whenever I'm fighting.

00:41:52.000 I don't feel like anybody else can really do what I do.

00:41:55.000 Well, that's a big part of being a great champion.

00:41:58.000 You have to have that belief that you are the one.

00:42:01.000 You know, and it's not an easy road.

00:42:05.000 It's the craziest lifestyle choice, like, as a professional person, like, decide I'm going to be a professional fighter.

00:42:13.000 And a professional fighter in mixed martial arts?

00:42:16.000 It's one of the craziest choices you can make in life, but if you can pull it off, and if you can get to that world championship level, and they strap that, how much does that thing weigh?

00:42:25.000 It's got some weight.

00:42:25.000 It's got some weight to it.

00:42:26.000 They put that thing around your shoulders.

00:42:30.000 When you look back at fights that you had in the Octagon and you learned from, does any fight where you made a big leap, does any fight stand out for you?

00:42:45.000 What about the Paul Craig fight?

00:42:48.000 The Paul Craig fight, honestly, the thing that came from that is the realization that you're not better than the game.

00:42:55.000 You're not invincible.

00:42:57.000 Respect the craft and respect what you're doing.

00:42:59.000 That's what that was in that fight.

00:43:01.000 It was basically, I don't care what you do.

00:43:04.000 Regardless, I'm not worried about nothing.

00:43:06.000 All I gotta do is show up and I win.

00:43:08.000 That's really how I felt.

00:43:09.000 I felt like all I had to do was show up and I was going to win.

00:43:12.000 And I paid for that.

00:43:15.000 He didn't pull me down.

00:43:18.000 I went down with him willingly.

00:43:20.000 With him already having my arm locked and everything like that.

00:43:23.000 And then I'm like, alright, watch this.

00:43:24.000 Start working the legs.

00:43:25.000 But that was the one way he had to win.

00:43:29.000 And I gave it to him.

00:43:32.000 He's so dangerous off his back, too.

00:43:34.000 It's such a different level off his back.

00:43:36.000 I understand that, but that's the thing, though.

00:43:38.000 I didn't care.

00:43:39.000 I didn't respect that at all.

00:43:42.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:43:43.000 And that was what the lesson was for me to learn there.

00:43:46.000 Take from that respect the game.

00:43:47.000 Treat everybody like they're the absolute best in the world at what they do at everything.

00:43:54.000 He's a good guy to learn from, too, because his level on the ground is above and beyond most people's.

00:44:01.000 Above and beyond.

00:44:02.000 His level off his back, I mean, he tapped down Goliath with like one second to go.

00:44:06.000 I mean, he's something special off his back.

00:44:09.000 That guy is one of the best grapplers at 205 in the world. 0.97

00:44:13.000 He's so fucking good.

00:44:15.000 Like, I think Paul Craig could, I think if he dedicated himself, he could be a world champion at legit, like, straight grappling. 0.98

00:44:22.000 Oh yeah, a thousand percent.

00:44:24.000 He's that good.

00:44:25.000 When he locks triangles on people, you're like, oh shit! 1.00

00:44:28.000 It's a triangle. 1.00

00:44:30.000 When he locked onto my arm, he was strong as shit. 0.99

00:44:34.000 He grabs just like desperately. 0.99

00:44:36.000 It's almost like complete desperate.

00:44:38.000 Like you're about to grab like how you would grab a rope. 0.98

00:44:40.000 When you about to fall off a cliff or some shit, that's how you grab my arm. 0.98

00:44:46.000 Like you don't want to die, that's how you grab my arm. 0.98

00:44:49.000 And then whenever I, like literally, whenever I bass and I try to pull my arm, my arm didn't move at all.

00:44:55.000 Like there was no wiggle.

00:44:57.000 You know how you do it. 1.00

00:44:58.000 Shit, none of that. 1.00

00:45:00.000 There was no movement whatsoever. 0.99

00:45:03.000 Some guys, when they get to the ground, they don't want to go 100% because they don't want to burn themselves out.

00:45:09.000 But Paul Craig, he could close it off.

00:45:11.000 He's so confident in his ability to close it off.

00:45:13.000 He just cinches everything down.

00:45:15.000 Right away.

00:45:16.000 Yeah.

00:45:18.000 That kind of took me by surprise.

00:45:20.000 I thought he was going to be more of a technical, like, oh, this is the next step, this step, this step, this and that, try to set up.

00:45:25.000 He was strong, and then he was still doing those things.

00:45:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:45:30.000 Did you leave that fight thinking, fuck, I gotta learn how to do that off my back? 1.00

00:45:34.000 No. 1.00

00:45:35.000 Not at all?

00:45:35.000 No.

00:45:36.000 Because I didn't feel like, oh, my ground game was shit or anything like that. 0.98

00:45:42.000 I just felt like I fucked up by going and doing things on his terms. 0.98

00:45:46.000 I let him dictate the fight. 0.94

00:45:48.000 Could I have beat Paul Craig on the ground even then?

00:45:52.000 Yes, I could have.

00:45:53.000 If we had done things, fought the fight on my terms.

00:45:57.000 I'm fighting him.

00:45:58.000 I make him sprawl desperately.

00:46:00.000 Now, bang, I make it hard on him. 0.99

00:46:01.000 Bang, land some shots on him. 1.00

00:46:04.000 And control from there. 0.91

00:46:06.000 Not letting him lock onto my arm and then go down to the ground with him.

00:46:10.000 Because when we hit the ground, it didn't...

00:46:14.000 For him to pull me to the ground, for you to pull somebody to the ground, you don't know how this person is going to land, right?

00:46:18.000 He doesn't know how he's going to land.

00:46:20.000 And there's a certain space that's created with that.

00:46:23.000 Because I willingly went down with him, that was not the case.

00:46:27.000 I fell down into position just like he did, and he was able to lock even tighter on my arm.

00:46:32.000 You know, just like little things like that, like little small things that I don't think anybody else really thinks about, you know, that are huge.

00:46:40.000 And I notice them, and I adjust them.

00:46:43.000 That's why it seems like it's like leaps and bounds, but really it's just a small adjustment.

00:46:47.000 Small realization, small adjustment.

00:46:49.000 Don't do this.

00:46:50.000 Bang.

00:46:51.000 Yeah.

00:46:52.000 When that happened in that fight, like, we were worried about your arm. 0.99

00:46:57.000 Like, your arm got fucked up. 0.98

00:46:59.000 How bad was it? 0.99

00:47:00.000 It was dislocated.

00:47:02.000 It was a clean dislocation, no torn tendons, no broken bone, nothing.

00:47:05.000 Oh, that's great.

00:47:06.000 Yeah, it was basically best case scenario.

00:47:08.000 Best case scenario, for sure.

00:47:10.000 Best case scenario.

00:47:11.000 Did you ever watch when Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvia's arm?

00:47:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:20.000 Snapped it at the forearm, like, oh, shit. 0.99

00:47:23.000 Like, that's worst case scenario. 0.99

00:47:26.000 I thought it was broken.

00:47:27.000 Whenever I was in the case, so that's why I'm not like everybody in the world.

00:47:30.000 I thought it was broken.

00:47:31.000 Whenever I sat back, it was almost like a line you could see.

00:47:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:36.000 Where it looked just like a break across.

00:47:41.000 But I guess not.

00:47:42.000 That was just the arm.

00:47:43.000 That was my elbow and the bone just hanging out on the other side.

00:47:47.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:47:48.000 Yeah.

00:47:49.000 So it was...

00:47:50.000 And then I was good.

00:47:52.000 I went and stood up and everything.

00:47:53.000 And I heard you got on my coach saying that y'all needed to get me up out of here.

00:47:59.000 What did I say?

00:48:00.000 My coach, he's like, y'all need to get him to F out.

00:48:03.000 Well, I thought it was broken.

00:48:04.000 You gotta get him to hospital.

00:48:05.000 I had to pay his respects for everything.

00:48:09.000 Now, me going and standing up for the decision, that was me paying my respect back to the game.

00:48:15.000 And then for, you know, just, I had to do it.

00:48:18.000 It was just something that I owe to the game to do.

00:48:22.000 And they did want to immediately, but nah, I'm like, nah, I'm going to go ahead.

00:48:27.000 I'm going to stand there.

00:48:27.000 You know, something I had to do.

00:48:29.000 I had to feel that.

00:48:30.000 I had to go through that.

00:48:31.000 You know, and that's kind of like what that was.

00:48:34.000 Even me sitting on the ground like, alright.

00:48:37.000 That was me realizing, me accepting and accountability.

00:48:39.000 That was me taking accountability.

00:48:40.000 There it is right there.

00:48:41.000 Yeah, it does.

00:48:43.000 That's a strong perspective that you have that you just accepted.

00:48:46.000 You took that loss like a champion.

00:48:48.000 You know, that's one of the hardest things to do, is to take a loss with grace.

00:48:52.000 Take a loss with dignity.

00:48:53.000 You know, and know that this is part of the learning process.

00:48:57.000 You win or you learn.

00:48:58.000 And sometimes you learn when you win, and sometimes you lose, and it's a big lesson.

00:49:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:04.000 And that's exactly how I approach it.

00:49:06.000 I agree a thousand percent.

00:49:07.000 And from that, I just took that and just learned from it.

00:49:11.000 It's funny how you see MMA math just doesn't work.

00:49:14.000 It just doesn't work.

00:49:16.000 Because you see Johnny Walker fights Paul Craig and takes him out early.

00:49:21.000 Jimmy Crute beat Paul Craig and then we went and had our fight.

00:49:27.000 That was the main thing.

00:49:28.000 I was happy about getting in the crew fight because he had beat Paul Craig.

00:49:35.000 So it was like getting into the ground and things like that.

00:49:39.000 I really wanted to go in and dominate in that fight, but I wanted to do it under my terms.

00:49:44.000 I wasn't just going to go in and let him just grapple me.

00:49:47.000 We were going to hit the ground.

00:49:48.000 We were going to hit the ground under my terms.

00:49:52.000 What happened happened.

00:49:54.000 The Johnny Walker thing.

00:49:56.000 But the thing was, And, you know, Paul's solid, bro.

00:50:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:50:02.000 Anytime me and Paul in the same place, he got drinking a dinner on me.

00:50:06.000 I always, you know?

00:50:08.000 But the Vulcan fighting, Vulcan losing their fight exposed a lot.

00:50:14.000 You know, it exposed a lot.

00:50:16.000 And it exposed that my man's gotta, he gotta learn how to, his wrestling, getting you to the ground, and then trusting his stand-up.

00:50:28.000 Honestly, I think Paul Craig has pretty good stand-up.

00:50:32.000 If he's confident and he actually trusts, it's just something whenever he gets in there, he just don't trust or believe in it.

00:50:38.000 You're going to take some hits.

00:50:39.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:50:40.000 But he's got to trust in the technique while still understanding that.

00:50:47.000 I think he comes from being a specialist, too, sometimes, because he's a specialist on the ground.

00:50:51.000 And so stand-up just doesn't really feel like his thing, whereas you, you're an overall guy.

00:50:57.000 You're striking as your strong suit, but you do everything.

00:51:01.000 I mean, your stand-up, also, every fight starts standing up, which is just a big advantage for the striker.

00:51:08.000 Especially if you've got good takedown defense.

00:51:11.000 You know, like for a grappler, there's this thing where you've got to get this fight to the ground.

00:51:15.000 And you're standing with the guy and he just keeps chopping away at your legs and hitting you and chopping away and your power bar keeps going down.

00:51:21.000 You're like, ugh.

00:51:22.000 Yeah.

00:51:23.000 But that's the thing.

00:51:25.000 Just because of the sheer size of Johnny Walker, I figured that would be a hard matchup for Paul because I know Paul wants to get it to the ground.

00:51:36.000 Right.

00:51:36.000 I know Johnny has explosive, nasty power.

00:51:39.000 I mean, look what he did to my arm just from me catching a kick.

00:51:42.000 He did that.

00:51:43.000 That wasn't him throwing a kick and me blocking it.

00:51:45.000 That wasn't him throwing a kick and I just caught it.

00:51:49.000 Just barely tapped it.

00:51:52.000 My arms swell up.

00:51:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:54.000 Dude's got some power.

00:51:55.000 He's got crazy power.

00:51:56.000 Dude's got some crazy power.

00:51:58.000 When he knocked out Khalil Roundtree, I was like, Jesus.

00:52:01.000 Yeah, the short elbow.

00:52:03.000 That was the one fight that I was worried about.

00:52:07.000 If you actually look, whenever I first hit him and I hit him with those shots and he tried to push me against the cage all the way across, you see immediately where my hands went.

00:52:18.000 Yeah.

00:52:19.000 Right to the bicep.

00:52:20.000 My hands went immediately to the bicep.

00:52:22.000 No, we're not doing this.

00:52:25.000 No, it's dangerous.

00:52:26.000 He's knocked a few people out with that, I believe.

00:52:30.000 That's one of the things he's nice with.

00:52:33.000 He's so dangerous.

00:52:34.000 That was crazy, too.

00:52:37.000 Look how he does it so tight.

00:52:39.000 Boom.

00:52:40.000 I mean, amazing.

00:52:42.000 He's using leverage.

00:52:43.000 He's using the leverage of his height.

00:52:44.000 So he's coming down and he's just heavier and he's taller.

00:52:47.000 He just drops his weight.

00:52:48.000 When he did that celebration, though, and dropped down and did the worm, blew his shoulder out, I was like, what happened?

00:52:55.000 I remember I was interviewing him.

00:52:56.000 I'm like, is your shoulder okay?

00:52:58.000 He's like, no.

00:52:59.000 No, it's not.

00:53:01.000 Adrenaline was still pumping through him, so he didn't know how bad it was.

00:53:03.000 Crazy that he did that on a celebration.

00:53:07.000 Destroyed his shoulder. 0.99

00:53:08.000 Giant-ass scar on his shoulder now.

00:53:10.000 I mean, I don't know how much that affects him still, whether or not he's okay.

00:53:15.000 You know, because fighters, they'll have, like, a thing where there's forever that arm's compromised, and they're still fighting, and they're still winning, but they don't have full power in that arm anymore.

00:53:25.000 Yeah, it took a while for my arm to be all right.

00:53:30.000 Like fully, fully all right.

00:53:32.000 Crazy how that did it.

00:53:34.000 That falling down and doing the worm did it.

00:53:38.000 Like right there.

00:53:39.000 Oh, because I slapped.

00:53:40.000 Right there he slapped. 1.00

00:53:42.000 He blew his fucking left shoulder out. 1.00

00:53:44.000 And now he's got it. 1.00

00:53:46.000 Yeah, right there.

00:53:47.000 Pop. 0.99

00:53:47.000 And now he's got a giant fucking scar on his left shoulder. 0.99

00:53:51.000 Just being goofy. 1.00

00:53:52.000 Yeah, people have hurt themselves doing some stupid shit. 1.00

00:53:56.000 Didn't Terrence... 1.00

00:53:57.000 Terrence heard himself celebrating his debut when he knocked out Favola.

00:54:07.000 Did he hurt himself?

00:54:08.000 Bro, he jumped on the cage and hurt his knee.

00:54:10.000 Oh, that's right.

00:54:12.000 That's right.

00:54:13.000 That's right.

00:54:13.000 He blew his knee out.

00:54:14.000 We might have to do a list of...

00:54:21.000 You might as well do a list of that.

00:54:24.000 Injuries during celebrations.

00:54:26.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:54:26.000 He's like, ah, I hurt my knee.

00:54:28.000 That is so crazy that he did that.

00:54:29.000 That's right.

00:54:30.000 I forgot about that.

00:54:32.000 Yeah.

00:54:33.000 Terrence McKinney's a dangerous dude too.

00:54:35.000 That's a guy who goes all out quick.

00:54:37.000 He comes at you.

00:54:38.000 That guy comes at you.

00:54:40.000 He's got to work a little more finesse because that flying knee that he gets caught with, it's just like a product of his instinct being just to wrestle.

00:54:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:54.000 So whenever they charge, they make a fast one and they charge towards him and it kind of gets his head away or he doesn't see.

00:55:00.000 First thing he thinks is like, are you He feels the momentum coming in.

00:55:03.000 Like Ben Askren and Masvidal.

00:55:05.000 Yeah, like that.

00:55:06.000 That instinct's hard to shake.

00:55:08.000 It is.

00:55:09.000 Yeah.

00:55:09.000 It is.

00:55:11.000 The instinct of a specialist.

00:55:12.000 Footwork.

00:55:13.000 Yeah.

00:55:13.000 Footwork.

00:55:14.000 When you look at, like, the landscape and the light heavyweight division, like, what fights are intriguing for you right now?

00:55:22.000 Like...

00:55:25.000 Intriguing in what way?

00:55:27.000 Intriguing like, this is the guy I want to get in there with.

00:55:31.000 In that way, pretty much everybody at the top present different challenges.

00:55:36.000 Everybody's their own different challenge.

00:55:37.000 I think Blahovic would be a good striking and mix-up challenge. 1.00

00:55:42.000 Maka man's a good It's a good he's a good mix of times, but I think he's gonna come more of a heavier wrestling type Type thing years of striking challenge, so I be talking of a flowing striking challenge in fact cuz he just flows Yeah, I'm good.

00:55:57.000 I'm good with flowing.

00:55:58.000 I like to be creative and do things and flow.

00:56:00.000 He's so herky-jerky It's a very unusual way he moves.

00:56:05.000 Everything's like his hands are down.

00:56:06.000 He's switching stances.

00:56:08.000 I understand that though.

00:56:10.000 I understand that movement.

00:56:11.000 I understand that type of fighting.

00:56:14.000 Just trying to be loose to be fast.

00:56:16.000 Be fast.

00:56:17.000 It's like water.

00:56:18.000 Be water.

00:56:19.000 The whole thing like be water is just trying to flow and crash.

00:56:22.000 Just be loose, loose, loose, and then bang, crash and hit.

00:56:25.000 That's essentially the same thing that I'm doing.

00:56:29.000 I'm a little more technical.

00:56:31.000 I try to stay a little more tight and I try to keep more options open for myself.

00:56:37.000 I mean, if that makes sense.

00:56:39.000 So has the UFC given you some sort of a timeline on when your first defense would be?

00:56:45.000 No, I think it's kind of hard for them to do that at the time, right?

00:56:48.000 Right.

00:56:49.000 It's because Yuri's hurt.

00:56:51.000 Magomed and Jan fought to a draw, so I don't really see them giving the title shot to one over the other.

00:57:00.000 Rackage is still hurt, I believe.

00:57:02.000 You got Smith, who hurt his leg and technically lost.

00:57:08.000 But he was supposed to be a backup, though, with you and Glover, right?

00:57:11.000 Yeah.

00:57:12.000 But then he missed weight.

00:57:14.000 Yeah.

00:57:15.000 As a backup, man, I don't want to make weight.

00:57:19.000 Making weight for me, he's a big fella.

00:57:21.000 He's a big dude.

00:57:23.000 Yeah, he's a big boy.

00:57:23.000 For him to make 205 is probably quite a struggle.

00:57:26.000 He probably should have gave him more time, too.

00:57:28.000 As soon as you're like, this is the fight, and then you got him, you should back up fighter then.

00:57:35.000 I don't think he knew until a couple weeks later.

00:57:38.000 So he didn't have as much time.

00:57:41.000 Yeah.

00:57:41.000 That's not good.

00:57:42.000 Yeah.

00:57:43.000 So, do you think it'll probably be Yuri if Yuri recovers in time?

00:57:49.000 Yeah, if Yuri recovers in time.

00:57:50.000 Maybe July?

00:57:51.000 Yeah.

00:57:51.000 I want International Fight Week.

00:57:53.000 Yeah, that's the big one.

00:57:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:55.000 You mean Yuri?

00:57:57.000 Conor and Chandler.

00:57:58.000 Yeah.

00:57:59.000 I think Conor and Chandler has to happen later than that, though.

00:58:02.000 Really?

00:58:03.000 Yeah, because...

00:58:06.000 Connor has to enter the USADA training, the testing pool.

00:58:11.000 So I think that's six months.

00:58:13.000 I think you have to be in that testing pool for six months before you can fight.

00:58:17.000 So we're in February, so I don't think July would work.

00:58:21.000 You know, I think it's going to take a little bit more time than that, if I'm guessing.

00:58:25.000 I think they have to fight in like September or something.

00:58:28.000 So here we are in February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September.

00:58:33.000 September is seven months.

00:58:35.000 I think he has to be in the testing pool for six months.

00:58:43.000 If it's six or more.

00:58:46.000 If it's more than six, that's crazy because they're hosting the Ultimate Fighter together.

00:58:50.000 It makes sense that they would try to set something up, a big fight for September or October or maybe even November.

00:58:56.000 Madison Square Garden.

00:58:58.000 Yeah, that's a big one.

00:58:59.000 It might be that one, which makes sense.

00:59:02.000 Well, that's why it makes sense to get Sweet Dreams in there for International Fight Week so I can be ready for Madison Square Garden. 0.99

00:59:08.000 The question is whether or not Yuri can recover from catastrophic shoulder injuries.

00:59:12.000 That's a catastrophic injury.

00:59:14.000 He had major shoulder surgery.

00:59:17.000 I don't know exactly the extent of the injury, but I know the UFC doctor said it was the worst shoulder injury he had ever seen.

00:59:23.000 Which is a lot. 0.99

00:59:24.000 I mean, that dude's seen a lot of shit. 1.00

00:59:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:26.000 So if he says that, that's a big fucking deal. 1.00

00:59:29.000 So, you know, shoulders are very tricky. 0.99

00:59:32.000 It's such a weird joint.

00:59:34.000 It moves in so many different ways that an injury can, you know, you got to really rehabilitate that correctly and it takes a long time.

00:59:41.000 Yeah, I was coming off a partial tear in my labrum after the Santos fight.

00:59:48.000 The second round, he actually dumped me.

00:59:51.000 When he got that takedown, he kicked me on the body, he got that takedown, he actually dumped me on my shoulder.

00:59:56.000 So he actually did a little bit of damage.

00:59:59.000 So I got to understand how much it actually takes for a shoulder to fully heal.

01:00:04.000 Did you have to get shoulder surgery?

01:00:07.000 I didn't have to get surgery or anything done on it, but it took a while for it to heal.

01:00:13.000 Just rehabilitation?

01:00:14.000 Right.

01:00:14.000 Did you do stem cells?

01:00:15.000 No, I just did physical therapy.

01:00:17.000 If you ever get in that situation again, get a hold of me.

01:00:20.000 All right.

01:00:21.000 We'll connect you to some stem cell places.

01:00:23.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:00:24.000 A lot of guys are going.

01:00:25.000 Camaro just went down to Columbia.

01:00:27.000 A lot of guys are going to do that bioaccelerator place down in Columbia and getting stem cells.

01:00:33.000 It'll really help your recovery, especially for injuries.

01:00:36.000 It cuts the time down drastically.

01:00:39.000 I think somebody just came up to me and asked me and said they got a place somewhere down south.

01:00:45.000 We have a place we work with in Austin.

01:00:47.000 We have a place we work with in Austin that helps a lot of guys come into Austin and get stem cells here.

01:00:54.000 And that's a great option, too, if you want to stay in the States, too.

01:00:58.000 But they can do stuff in other countries that they can't do in the United States.

01:01:01.000 In Colombia, there's a great place, the CPI in Tijuana.

01:01:05.000 It's a great place in Panama that Dr. Neil Reardon runs, and the laws there are different.

01:01:11.000 The laws of the United States, for whatever reason, you can make all sorts of reasons for why they can't do it.

01:01:17.000 None of them are good, but they have a lockdown on what you're allowed to do here in the United States, even though it's highly effective, and even though you're dealing with injured people that really should have every option available to them, especially when some of these options have proven to be effective.

01:01:33.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:01:34.000 I'm just now learning, like, all the things that are proper things and things like that to take care of my body.

01:01:40.000 That's another one of the unfortunate things about coming in late and learning things late.

01:01:45.000 Yeah.

01:01:46.000 So, yeah, that's definitely one of the things I'm probably going to end up with.

01:01:51.000 It's just part of the job.

01:01:52.000 You're gonna get banged up.

01:01:54.000 You're gonna have things happen to you.

01:01:57.000 Yeah, you're in the destroying bodies business.

01:01:59.000 Right, right, right.

01:02:02.000 On the main thing though, Yuri ideally would be the fight that I would want.

01:02:08.000 Just because I think that's the better sell and that's the fight that I think a lot more people want to see.

01:02:15.000 I don't think people are really big on watching Modern Man fight right now.

01:02:19.000 He's good.

01:02:20.000 He's a good fighter.

01:02:21.000 He's a great fighter.

01:02:22.000 The problem with a fight like that, a fight like that puts a bad taste in people's mouth and it's not his fault.

01:02:28.000 It's just the way they match up and then the decision, the fact that it was a draw.

01:02:35.000 Which I watched it again.

01:02:36.000 I still don't think it was a draw.

01:02:38.000 You know, it was very close.

01:02:40.000 Did you have one here?

01:02:41.000 I had Anka Laev winning because I thought Anka Laev won the first round, although it's very close.

01:02:46.000 I thought he did too. 0.93

01:02:48.000 Yeah, but then you got to give credit to Bohovic for those kicks because he had fucked that leg up. 0.97

01:02:54.000 Bad. 0.98

01:02:54.000 Both of them. 0.98

01:02:55.000 And he just goes shin to shin with dudes.

01:02:57.000 Yeah.

01:02:57.000 He just goes, boom, let's try it out.

01:02:59.000 Let's go shin to shin.

01:02:59.000 Let's see how you feel.

01:03:01.000 And next thing you know, your legs don't work like they used to before.

01:03:04.000 That dude's dense.

01:03:05.000 I mean, you see the power that guy carries? 1.00

01:03:07.000 He must be dense as fuck. 1.00

01:03:08.000 I bet his bones are just like fucking wood. 1.00

01:03:11.000 You know, he's just dense. 0.99

01:03:12.000 And when he goes crack shin to shin with guys, like, that's crazy confidence.

01:03:16.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:03:17.000 Just kicking another dude in the shins. 0.97

01:03:20.000 You know, there's a dude named Malapet. 0.97

01:03:22.000 I think it's a technique to how he does it.

01:03:24.000 Oh, for sure.

01:03:24.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:03:25.000 He knows the spot on his shin.

01:03:27.000 Yeah.

01:03:28.000 Yeah.

01:03:28.000 But it's just very impressive that he does that.

01:03:31.000 And, you know, he's just so good at Muay Thai and so good in that fight at doing that.

01:03:37.000 But then the wrestling.

01:03:38.000 He got taken down by the wrestling.

01:03:41.000 Yeah.

01:03:41.000 But that's a great adjustment by Magomed.

01:03:44.000 I mean, he's a real world-class fighter.

01:03:46.000 Yeah, he is.

01:03:47.000 I think he's legit.

01:03:49.000 Oh, those guys from Dagestan.

01:03:50.000 That is a hard spot in the world, man. 1.00

01:03:53.000 There's some fucking killers coming out of that spot. 1.00

01:03:56.000 I mean, they hungry. 1.00

01:03:58.000 They got a lot to fight for.

01:04:00.000 They got a lot to fight for, and a lot of those guys, I think they have this advantage in that they're very religious.

01:04:05.000 So with their Islamic religion, they don't drink, they don't party, no girls, no nothing, just food and training and fights. 1.00

01:04:13.000 And that focus, I know, Jamal's like, what?

01:04:18.000 Where would I be?

01:04:21.000 Where would I be?

01:04:23.000 Yeah.

01:04:24.000 If only, if only.

01:04:25.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.

01:04:27.000 I think you gotta enjoy yourself a little bit.

01:04:29.000 I think so, too.

01:04:31.000 Yeah.

01:04:31.000 I mean, a lot of the greats enjoyed themselves.

01:04:33.000 I mean, hey, I did all that shit. 0.99

01:04:37.000 Look at me now. 1.00

01:04:39.000 Look at me now.

01:04:42.000 Bang! 1.00

01:04:43.000 Headshot!

01:04:44.000 Yeah.

01:04:45.000 Look at me now.

01:04:46.000 Shout out to Leon.

01:04:47.000 Yeah, shout out to Leon.

01:04:48.000 That's a great fight, huh?

01:04:49.000 The rematch?

01:04:50.000 Yeah.

01:04:50.000 Ooh, that's intriguing.

01:04:51.000 Let's see.

01:04:52.000 Leon, bro.

01:04:53.000 Leon is dangerous for the same reason.

01:04:55.000 I feel like that make me great.

01:04:59.000 He knows what to do and when to do it.

01:05:02.000 Mm-hmm.

01:05:03.000 Now, Yeah.

01:05:06.000 He's like...

01:05:07.000 Some of the things he does, the way he times it, and it's like on point, it's like an instinct.

01:05:13.000 He's good, bro.

01:05:14.000 Oh, he's good.

01:05:15.000 He's really good, bro.

01:05:16.000 He's so good.

01:05:17.000 He's one of the most impressive guys I've ever seen hitting pads.

01:05:20.000 You see Leon hit pads?

01:05:22.000 Yeah.

01:05:23.000 Pull up a video of Leon working the pads.

01:05:25.000 His technique is so sharp.

01:05:28.000 So sharp and the fluidity of his combinations, you're like, that's a world-class striker.

01:05:36.000 And that setup that he did with Kamaru, he shows him the hand and then lands that left high kick.

01:05:41.000 The kick was textbook, bro.

01:05:43.000 Textbook.

01:05:45.000 Textbook, perfect.

01:05:46.000 I mean, you watch him with his movement and his pad work.

01:05:50.000 Let's just understand where to be.

01:05:52.000 That little palm right there, let's just understand, check and understand where to be.

01:05:58.000 He's one of the most smooth guys that's ever fought in the UFC in terms of like combinations and striking and just everything he does is perfect.

01:06:08.000 His technique in his stand-up is just perfect.

01:06:11.000 And then the fact that he took Kamaru down, took him down the first round, got a full mount.

01:06:17.000 Crazy.

01:06:18.000 He was on his back for what? 0.69

01:06:20.000 Like about two minutes?

01:06:21.000 Yeah, dominated that round on the ground. 0.99

01:06:23.000 Like who the fuck saw that coming? 1.00

01:06:25.000 That was nuts. 1.00

01:06:26.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

01:06:27.000 And, you know, it's going to be interesting to see.

01:06:29.000 And now also he's felt Camaro, he's felt that wrestling, felt that power, and, you know, had a situation where he was down in that fight and realized that he had won the first round, so his adjustments would have to be made.

01:06:41.000 And then Camaro knowing that he had the fight won if he just avoided that kick.

01:06:46.000 He had the fight won.

01:06:47.000 He was ahead on the cards.

01:06:47.000 And that's the thing though, right?

01:06:48.000 That's going to give Leon a weapon to actually have to threaten.

01:06:51.000 Because he's going to have to respect that kick.

01:06:53.000 Yeah.

01:06:54.000 So that's already a change in the fight.

01:06:56.000 Yep.

01:06:57.000 And he's going to have to respect everything else too.

01:06:59.000 Because Leon, it's not just a kick.

01:07:00.000 He's got hands.

01:07:01.000 He's got knees.

01:07:02.000 He's got elbows.

01:07:03.000 He's got everything.

01:07:04.000 And he's got the fluidity of his combinations.

01:07:07.000 It's just the best in the division.

01:07:11.000 Yeah, he's sharp, man. 0.99

01:07:12.000 Very, and then, but you got Kamaru, who's a fucking nightmare, man. 0.94

01:07:16.000 Kamaru, especially coming up, that's one of the things that I remember, and I talked about it frequently, I was like, no one is calling that guy's name. 0.97

01:07:24.000 No one.

01:07:25.000 Everybody's talking about, I want to fight this guy, I want to fight, no one said, and then Kamaru Usman, if you're looking for a fight, no, no, no, no, no.

01:07:32.000 There was none of that.

01:07:33.000 There was none of that.

01:07:34.000 He knew, so, this is how, like, you gotta understand this about Kamaru, this is, this is, This is a testament to how good he is, right?

01:07:44.000 Leon won the first round, and for the next better of three rounds, you knew exactly what he was about to do to you, and you couldn't stop it.

01:07:55.000 Couldn't stop it.

01:07:56.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:07:58.000 It took a perfect setup at the end to bring it home because we all knew he was just going to push him up into the cage and just punch on him.

01:08:07.000 And the crazy thing about Kamaru has destroyed knees. 0.99

01:08:12.000 His knees are fucked up, man. 0.99

01:08:14.000 Yeah, I see him. 1.00

01:08:15.000 I see how he moves a little bit.

01:08:16.000 It's kind of like his angles aren't really sharp on the turn.

01:08:20.000 Well, he can't move good.

01:08:22.000 He's in constant pain.

01:08:23.000 He fights in pain. 0.99

01:08:24.000 Like, his knees are so fucked up that he walks downstairs backwards. 1.00

01:08:29.000 Damn. 1.00

01:08:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:08:30.000 That fucked up, and a world champion. 1.00

01:08:32.000 He was so fucked up that he told me that he had to walk on the grass, like he was next to the sidewalk. 1.00

01:08:38.000 The sidewalk hurt too much, so he'd walk on the grass. 1.00

01:08:42.000 That's crazy.

01:08:43.000 Crazy.

01:08:43.000 Yeah.

01:08:45.000 And then still go in and compete at that level, train how you train.

01:08:48.000 If you look at the difference between the musculature in his legs and the musculature in his upper body, it's a drastic difference.

01:08:54.000 Yeah.

01:08:54.000 And I think a lot of that is because of the destroyed knees.

01:08:57.000 Well, if you look at the way he grapples a lot of his wrestling, his wrestling is done with upper body.

01:09:01.000 He doesn't wrestle with it.

01:09:02.000 He doesn't grapple with his legs.

01:09:03.000 Yeah.

01:09:04.000 It's amazing that some, and he throws a lot of kicks.

01:09:07.000 It's amazing that a guy who's hurt like that can compete.

01:09:10.000 Those low kicks.

01:09:12.000 Low kicks, yeah.

01:09:13.000 He'll throw a high kick occasionally, you know?

01:09:16.000 Like, I think he threw some high kicks in the Colby Covington fight. 0.99

01:09:19.000 I mean, he's just, he's fucking dangerous. 0.98

01:09:21.000 Dangerous. 1.00

01:09:22.000 His mind is the thing that is most dangerous about him. 1.00

01:09:25.000 Because to have the ability to overcome that kind of pain, like he's in, his cartilage is fucked. 0.99

01:09:31.000 So he's like everywhere he walks, every step, constant pain. 0.98

01:09:35.000 Everything constant pain.

01:09:36.000 He just believes he's the guy.

01:09:37.000 He just believes he's the guy.

01:09:39.000 He believes he's just better.

01:09:41.000 And he just, I believe he marches forward with that belief.

01:09:43.000 And that's how he, um...

01:09:46.000 That's how he's been getting through that and everything.

01:09:48.000 Plus, adrenaline is...

01:09:50.000 You done an MMA fight before?

01:09:53.000 No, kickboxing.

01:09:54.000 So you know the adrenaline, especially in an MMA fight, dog, that adrenaline is nuts.

01:10:02.000 Even the Paul Craig, I didn't feel it like that, but the minute you get back there to the back and that adrenaline's gone...

01:10:14.000 Yeah, you see guys walking out of there.

01:10:17.000 They're walking out of the locker room.

01:10:18.000 They're like, oh, oh, oh.

01:10:21.000 Limping all of a sudden.

01:10:22.000 He's walking, he's walking, he's walking fine.

01:10:24.000 He's all hyping and everything like that.

01:10:26.000 The crazy thing is the Cavs.

01:10:29.000 The calf kick has changed everything.

01:10:31.000 It's so wild that this one kick that was always available.

01:10:35.000 Always.

01:10:36.000 All of a sudden, over the last few years, has become like a primary weapon. 0.93

01:10:40.000 Nasty.

01:10:41.000 Like Adesanya in Pajera. 1.00

01:10:42.000 He said that he fucked up his leg in that first round. 0.99

01:10:45.000 Like Israel said, part of the problem was I couldn't move. 1.00

01:10:47.000 He got my leg.

01:10:49.000 Even though Israel looked like he was fine, it's just because he's a champion.

01:10:52.000 Because he knows how to hide it.

01:10:54.000 And he knows how to keep moving, buddy.

01:10:56.000 It's like that leg was just compromised from too many of those chopping low kicks.

01:11:00.000 He just chop, chop, chop.

01:11:02.000 OSP got me with the leg with them whenever we fought.

01:11:06.000 And then the fight, they didn't feel like, you know what I mean?

01:11:09.000 They didn't really feel like anything.

01:11:11.000 After the fight, oh my god.

01:11:13.000 You know, maybe like the last one, maybe one of the last ones, it was like a stinging, like more like a little stinging feeling.

01:11:18.000 But, yeah, but that's the thing.

01:11:21.000 Once you see something's working, people are going to start taking it.

01:11:25.000 That's what made me realize, like, There are other people that study the fights and study things like I do because people will start to implement those things.

01:11:34.000 They'll start to implement it more and more and more and more.

01:11:38.000 Eventually, people are going to start implementing the jab more and more and more.

01:11:43.000 I'm wondering how many people...

01:11:45.000 You saw the Khalil Roundtree fight where he sidekicked that dude and made him lose his knee up.

01:11:49.000 Yeah, I'm not a fan.

01:11:50.000 That one scares me.

01:11:51.000 I'm not a fan of that one.

01:11:52.000 I'm not a fan of that one either.

01:11:54.000 It's like, I get it.

01:11:56.000 It's there.

01:11:57.000 It should be used because it is a real technique. 0.95

01:12:00.000 Well, if that's the case, then why can't we just punch in the back of the head then?

01:12:02.000 I think you should be able to. 0.99

01:12:04.000 I really do.

01:12:05.000 It doesn't make any sense to me that you can't hit in the back of the head.

01:12:08.000 Well, they treat that because it's a weak spot, right?

01:12:11.000 Yeah.

01:12:11.000 It's almost like me hitting the nut, you know?

01:12:13.000 Yeah, but I mean, isn't your whole fucking head a vulnerable spot? 0.99

01:12:20.000 I guess there's maybe a vulnerable spot that's more vulnerable in the back of your head, but shouldn't that be protected? 0.99

01:12:25.000 You don't really have a way to defend the back of your head, though. 0.99

01:12:28.000 Yeah, but then if someone gets to that spot, you're fucked. 0.99

01:12:32.000 I mean, that should be what it is, because that's reality. 0.97

01:12:35.000 Do you remember the early days?

01:12:36.000 I don't know if you ever saw this, but Henzo Gracie had a fight early on in one of those organizations that didn't go anywhere, like World Combat something or another.

01:12:47.000 And he took this guy down who was a judo guy.

01:12:51.000 He took him down, got his back.

01:12:53.000 And in those days, you could elbow the back of the head.

01:12:56.000 And Henzo just got his back.

01:12:59.000 Boom! 0.99

01:13:01.000 And then put him out. 0.52

01:13:03.000 And then I think he strangled him after he elbowed him in the back of the head.

01:13:06.000 But it's like having that ability to hit that spot, that's real.

01:13:11.000 It's also, this is the sport of fighting. 0.98

01:13:15.000 That's a fucking real vulnerability. 0.99

01:13:17.000 The back of the head's a real... 0.99

01:13:19.000 The idea that a guy can cover up like this and you have to go around that in this one glaring spot in the back of the head exists.

01:13:26.000 And doctors will tell you, oh, you can't get hit there.

01:13:28.000 But there's a lot of times where it's okay to get hit there.

01:13:31.000 Like, here's one. 0.70

01:13:32.000 Head kicks.

01:13:33.000 A lot of head kicks.

01:13:34.000 They wrap around.

01:13:35.000 They catch you right at the back of the head.

01:13:37.000 We know this.

01:13:38.000 We know this with wheel kicks.

01:13:39.000 We know this with roundhouse kicks.

01:13:41.000 Hooks.

01:13:42.000 Happens all the time.

01:13:43.000 And it's okay.

01:13:45.000 But some people, like, I don't know.

01:13:48.000 I think it's more so frowned upon on the ground.

01:13:50.000 I don't know why.

01:13:52.000 I mean, I guess that it's more dangerous.

01:13:55.000 But then that's also a good spot to hit then.

01:14:00.000 When Jon Jones finished Alexander Gustin in the second fight, the way of those shots to the back of the head Let's look at it.

01:14:07.000 Let's look at it.

01:14:09.000 There's a lot of times where guys are in the middle of the heat of battle.

01:14:11.000 They let that aside.

01:14:14.000 Some of them definitely, when someone's raining down blows and a guy's covering up and turning, some of them are going back there.

01:14:22.000 I just don't...

01:14:24.000 I get...

01:14:24.000 A doctor, I understand.

01:14:26.000 If they would come to me and say, no, this is a particularly vulnerable area, okay, well then stop fighting.

01:14:30.000 You shouldn't be fighting.

01:14:31.000 No one should fight then.

01:14:32.000 Because your whole head's a vulnerable area. 1.00

01:14:34.000 If you get wheel kicked in the temple, that's a vulnerable fucking area. 0.99

01:14:38.000 This little skinny-ass piece of bone that protects the side of your head and someone swings a giant heel and it comes slamming right into there. 0.99

01:14:44.000 I remember Jorge Surratt.

01:14:46.000 He did that to, I think it was Ben Lagley.

01:14:48.000 He fought him back in the days.

01:14:50.000 One of my spinal partners was like...

01:14:52.000 My first sparring partner, when I first came in, he did a wheel kick.

01:14:57.000 His leg like wrapped around and, bow, clacked him in the back of the head.

01:15:01.000 Yeah.

01:15:01.000 And he kind of fell off.

01:15:02.000 That's a bad one.

01:15:03.000 That happens all the time.

01:15:05.000 I remember when Edson Barboza wheel kicked Terry Edom in the head.

01:15:09.000 Oh, man.

01:15:11.000 Yeah.

01:15:12.000 Stiff.

01:15:12.000 And we were talking in the commentary saying that Terry's got to do something to take more chances, but he could risk getting knocked out.

01:15:19.000 Yeah, risk getting knocked out!

01:15:21.000 Yeah, right when it happened.

01:15:23.000 It was crazy.

01:15:24.000 I think that might have been the original.

01:15:26.000 And he's coming!

01:15:29.000 The stiff.

01:15:31.000 When guys go stiff like that, that's a hard way to come back from.

01:15:35.000 Those are rough knockouts.

01:15:37.000 Terry Adam never really came back from that fight.

01:15:39.000 Never was world class again after that fight.

01:15:43.000 I think it's like a fear.

01:15:44.000 It's got to be some type of fear.

01:15:45.000 And this is what Kamaru's going to have to deal with whenever he fights Leon.

01:15:48.000 Yes.

01:15:49.000 I think he lost one fight, right?

01:15:52.000 Yep.

01:15:53.000 One fight early in his career.

01:15:54.000 Early in his career.

01:15:55.000 He got choked.

01:15:56.000 It's cool.

01:15:57.000 In jiu-jitsu, you make mistakes.

01:15:59.000 You know you can get choked.

01:16:01.000 Getting knocked out, bro.

01:16:05.000 It's got to be different.

01:16:06.000 Yeah, it's very different.

01:16:08.000 It's very different.

01:16:09.000 I believe it is too, so.

01:16:10.000 There's a moment in Kamaru's fight in his career where Damian Maia got his back.

01:16:15.000 And it was standing.

01:16:17.000 Damian Maia had him clinched up against the cage and he was getting his back and the referee separated him. 0.99

01:16:22.000 And I was like, what the fuck did you just do? 0.99

01:16:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:16:26.000 It changed the course of the fight.

01:16:27.000 To this day, I'm fast.

01:16:29.000 Because this was Damian Maia basically in his prime as a welterweight.

01:16:34.000 Kamaru coming up.

01:16:35.000 And there was this moment.

01:16:36.000 Where Damien has Kamaru's back.

01:16:39.000 He's like hanging on him.

01:16:41.000 He's clinched up against me.

01:16:42.000 He's in a very good position.

01:16:43.000 And the referee separates him.

01:16:45.000 And I remember at home going, No! 1.00

01:16:48.000 What the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:16:50.000 How are you separating this? 0.99

01:16:53.000 Man, that's always a weird thing when they choose to separate someone or separate, stand up.

01:17:00.000 Because he was telling me that I needed to work when I was on top of Glover and I'm hitting him with elbows.

01:17:06.000 He was like, you gotta work, Jamal.

01:17:10.000 Which is crazy.

01:17:11.000 Why do they say that?

01:17:12.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.

01:17:14.000 I don't know.

01:17:14.000 You work when you need to work.

01:17:16.000 If you're on top and you're maintaining on top.

01:17:18.000 Well, I was being heavy.

01:17:19.000 Yes.

01:17:19.000 I was being heavy.

01:17:19.000 I'm just zapping.

01:17:21.000 I'm just zapping.

01:17:22.000 I'm basically kind of crushing this diaphragm at this point.

01:17:25.000 Yeah.

01:17:25.000 It's like, oh, you got to work.

01:17:27.000 You got to work.

01:17:27.000 I'm like, I don't know.

01:17:28.000 Why?

01:17:29.000 I am.

01:17:29.000 You are working.

01:17:30.000 I'm not allowed to cook the stew.

01:17:32.000 Yes.

01:17:32.000 Cook the stew.

01:17:33.000 I'm not allowed to turn the pressure cooker off.

01:17:35.000 Go make the rice.

01:17:37.000 Right.

01:17:38.000 Right.

01:17:38.000 You should be able to pick when you go, when you're in a dominant position, when you're controlling a guy.

01:17:44.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:17:45.000 I hate stand-ups.

01:17:46.000 I feel like if someone could take you down and hold you down, that is on you to get up.

01:17:51.000 Like, having a stand-up just because the crowd's bored, tell them to go watch baseball. 0.99

01:17:55.000 That's boring as fuck, and people watch it every week. 0.98

01:17:57.000 You just gotta protect the product, Joe. 0.99

01:17:59.000 You gotta protect the product.

01:18:00.000 I don't believe that.

01:18:01.000 I believe the guys like you will always rise to the top.

01:18:04.000 I'm going to get up.

01:18:05.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:18:06.000 I'm going to get up.

01:18:07.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:18:08.000 I feel like if you didn't have that option available, guys would be very focused on getting up.

01:18:13.000 Instead of thinking that they could just wrap their guard around you and wrap your head around you and just hope for a stand-up.

01:18:18.000 Because sometimes referees will do that.

01:18:20.000 They get a guy in a guard position and no one's doing anything.

01:18:23.000 The guy can't do anything.

01:18:24.000 They'll stand him up.

01:18:25.000 They'll stand him up.

01:18:26.000 Stand him up.

01:18:26.000 And the crowd cheers, and everybody thinks, that's a good job.

01:18:29.000 I go, no!

01:18:29.000 You've ruined the flow of the fight.

01:18:32.000 You can go at your pace.

01:18:33.000 Yeah, and if you're on top, and if guy's got you in his guard, and he's squeezing and holding onto you, how long can you do that?

01:18:39.000 Can you do that for the full five minutes?

01:18:40.000 You might not be able to.

01:18:42.000 You might relax a little, and then that person's gonna get out.

01:18:44.000 And that's what the sport's all about.

01:18:46.000 The sport's all about You being able to figure out how to get out of a bad position and get to a better position, and someone being able to control you and minimize the damage that they take and maximize the amount of damage they could put on you.

01:19:00.000 That's what it's all about.

01:19:01.000 So if you have a stand-up, then you have a subjective person.

01:19:05.000 Like, it's up to them to decide.

01:19:08.000 Stand them up.

01:19:08.000 I've seen people get stand-up and side control, which is crazy.

01:19:11.000 Yeah, I've seen that too.

01:19:12.000 Crazy.

01:19:13.000 Like, it takes too long to get to that spot, and you only have five minutes to working around.

01:19:19.000 I don't like stand-ups at all.

01:19:21.000 I don't think that they should...

01:19:22.000 I think that's one of the things we should get rid of.

01:19:25.000 And people are like, oh, it's gonna make it boring.

01:19:27.000 Wrestlers are just gonna take people down. 1.00

01:19:29.000 Figure out how to not get wrestled.

01:19:31.000 Figure out how to get up.

01:19:32.000 There's ways to get up.

01:19:33.000 It's not like once a guy gets you mount, no one in the world can get up. 0.99

01:19:37.000 That's bullshit. 0.99

01:19:38.000 Everybody can get up. 1.00

01:19:39.000 It just scrambles.

01:19:40.000 Things have to happen.

01:19:41.000 That's part of the puzzle that Mixed Martial Arts presents.

01:19:44.000 Yeah, I think that I was only on the ground on top of Glover for, what, maybe like a minute and a half?

01:19:50.000 In a minute and a half, how many elbows did I hit him with?

01:19:53.000 For me to actually get a warning to be stood up was crazy.

01:19:56.000 It's crazy.

01:19:57.000 That was just wild to me.

01:19:58.000 And then, like, the whole...

01:20:02.000 He, I think it was the fourth round, the fourth round when I was standing up and I was actually starting to lay it on him a little bit.

01:20:10.000 He told him, I think he told him maybe three or four times, like, you gotta show me something, Glover.

01:20:15.000 You gotta show me, at what point are you gonna stop it, bro?

01:20:17.000 Right.

01:20:17.000 It was close.

01:20:18.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:20:19.000 Because, like, the Izzy fight.

01:20:22.000 Do you think the Izzy fight should have been stopped?

01:20:24.000 When he had him on the ground?

01:20:25.000 When he had him, no, whenever he was.

01:20:27.000 Oh, when Izzy at the end.

01:20:28.000 Yeah.

01:20:29.000 Yeah.

01:20:30.000 I think that one's a good stoppage because that scissor knee was coming. 1.00

01:20:35.000 You know, like, he was hurt.

01:20:37.000 I mean, Izzy got caught clean.

01:20:39.000 I think he got caught clean, but I think also his leg was compromised because he actually got his leg to check.

01:20:45.000 He got his leg, he got a kick check right before that, which was, so he's already stumbling.

01:20:50.000 It's that same left leg that got chopped up in the first round.

01:20:52.000 Yeah, but his leg, but he was moving, like, he was weaving.

01:20:56.000 Now, I'm not going to say it was a bad stoppage or whatever like that, but, like, if You believe that should have been stopped.

01:21:02.000 Right, the global fight should have been stopped.

01:21:04.000 That's the thing about being subjective, about a referee being able to decide.

01:21:09.000 And some of them are great.

01:21:11.000 Like Herb Dean very rarely makes a bad call.

01:21:13.000 He's the best.

01:21:14.000 He's very good at it.

01:21:15.000 And some guys are just real quick with the trigger.

01:21:18.000 They'll stop a fight when the guy's just kind of a little rocked, you know?

01:21:22.000 Herb, we work for that stoppage on Santos.

01:21:24.000 Yeah.

01:21:25.000 Yeah, I had to work for that one.

01:21:27.000 I was tired.

01:21:28.000 Yeah, I was tired.

01:21:30.000 I think I hit on about 50-something punches before we got in there, before we got the old wave off. 0.97

01:21:38.000 But after that fourth round, though, like...

01:21:43.000 You seen when they poured the water?

01:21:45.000 When they poured the water on my head?

01:21:47.000 Bro, that was all his blood.

01:21:49.000 I wasn't bleeding from my head at all.

01:21:52.000 Wow.

01:21:54.000 My coach was saying he had chunks of his flesh and stuff in my hair and things like that.

01:22:01.000 It was like, bro, what do you got to do then?

01:22:04.000 There it is.

01:22:05.000 Oh, that's his blood.

01:22:06.000 That's crazy.

01:22:07.000 You see the little white chunks and stuff in my hair?

01:22:11.000 Yeah, bro.

01:22:13.000 That's so crazy.

01:22:15.000 If you actually look at my mouth, I was like, where's that coming from?

01:22:19.000 Where's that coming from?

01:22:22.000 Am I bleeding?

01:22:22.000 All of his blood in your hair.

01:22:25.000 Yeah.

01:22:26.000 Wow.

01:22:27.000 Wow.

01:22:29.000 Yeah.

01:22:30.000 That is interesting.

01:22:31.000 But that's why the importance of good referees is so significant.

01:22:35.000 Because if you get a bad referee, some guys, they'll have a personal beef with a certain referee.

01:22:42.000 A referee can stop the fight too early, and they're like, I don't want him calling my fights.

01:22:45.000 Yeah, I don't get that person.

01:22:47.000 I just say how I feel about the situation and I move on from it, you know?

01:22:52.000 Like, Mark did what he did.

01:22:55.000 Like, Herb, they do what they do, you know what I mean?

01:22:57.000 I'll say how I feel about this situation or whatever and then from there, all right, we on to the next.

01:23:03.000 It is weird though that that's a factor in world championship fights, the subjective factor of when to stop a fight.

01:23:10.000 When to stop a fight, when to tell a guy to work, when to stand a person up.

01:23:14.000 Bro, that cut was nasty, dude.

01:23:17.000 If you were going to stop it for any cut, I thought it was going to be that one.

01:23:21.000 His eye was completely torn apart.

01:23:27.000 Well, I believe that in a lot of other places they would have stopped that fight.

01:23:31.000 Like if you had in a smaller commission, like maybe Arizona or something like that.

01:23:34.000 Yeah, someone that was in Brazil.

01:23:35.000 Right, right, right.

01:23:37.000 And also maybe something like New York.

01:23:40.000 They're, you know, New York does not have, I mean, New York has a nice history now with the UFC, but when we first went there, there was not a real history of MMA in professional New York because it was corrupt.

01:23:51.000 They kept MMA out of New York forever.

01:23:54.000 It was, look at that cut.

01:23:56.000 Dude, that's a nasty cut. 0.98

01:23:58.000 That's a nasty-ass cut. 0.92

01:24:02.000 But he could still see out of that eye, as opposed to... 0.95

01:24:05.000 At one point, he was wiping blood out of his eyes.

01:24:10.000 Right, but it wasn't closed off, you know what I'm saying?

01:24:12.000 Like the Davidson-Figueredo fight, when Brandon Moreno caught him with that left hook and the eye just swole up and closed.

01:24:18.000 Even in Brazil, they're like, we gotta stop this fight.

01:24:20.000 I think that's part of the reason, another part of the reason why they didn't want to stop the fight also.

01:24:25.000 Was because right before that, they just stopped the Davidson-Figueredo fight for an injury.

01:24:31.000 Right.

01:24:32.000 You know, so you stop another title fight, take another title from a Brazilian off an injury. 0.97

01:24:37.000 Yeah.

01:24:39.000 That's an interesting thing.

01:24:40.000 I wonder if that factors in like if one referee makes a quick call in an early stoppage and then the next fight the referee thinks about that and goes, you know what?

01:24:49.000 I'm not going to let this one go a little longer.

01:24:51.000 I'm not going to hear those boos.

01:24:53.000 Because those boos are real.

01:24:54.000 When the crowd boos and you're in there by yourself with your sneakers on going, ooh, everybody's mad at me.

01:24:59.000 But to Clover's credit though, I had to technically pour it on him.

01:25:04.000 I had to pour it on him for range setups and things like that.

01:25:06.000 I was never able to just sit and just power shot.

01:25:09.000 And just start cleaning his clock.

01:25:12.000 Because I tried. 0.99

01:25:13.000 God damn it, I tried. 0.99

01:25:15.000 But he just... 0.99

01:25:16.000 So experienced.

01:25:18.000 So experienced and so resilient.

01:25:21.000 But that, again, that's about as close to a stoppage as you're ever going to get without it being stopped.

01:25:26.000 When you were on top of him and blasting him, I thought it was over.

01:25:29.000 That's what I thought.

01:25:30.000 I thought this was over.

01:25:31.000 I thought whenever he kept in the fourth, whenever I was landing on him, and then especially after he threw it, I slipped counter with the knee, started hitting him, landing a couple more uppercuts.

01:25:43.000 I was expecting him to jump in between us and wave it off.

01:25:47.000 You know, but then, like, whenever I seen he didn't, then it's like, alright, now he's fighting for under because he's trying to clench up with me and things like that.

01:25:54.000 It's like, alright, I'm not gonna burn my load.

01:25:58.000 Now just start just picking shots, start hitting him with clean shots again. 0.79

01:26:02.000 Well, Glover never loses his composure to win.

01:26:07.000 Never loses it.

01:26:08.000 Even after you head kicked him, when you had him stumbling and rocking, he's still right here, focused. 0.99

01:26:15.000 You never see like, oh shit, in his eyes. 0.99

01:26:18.000 Even when Gustafson took him out, he was still in there trying, but Gustafson just paced him up. 0.99

01:26:26.000 That was Gustafson, I think, finest performance when he stopped Glover.

01:26:29.000 I mean, he just, what a video game combination he hit him with.

01:26:33.000 That was like you're playing the Ultimate Fighter video game.

01:26:36.000 Yeah, whoop, bam! 0.97

01:26:37.000 Perfect, three perfect uppercuts.

01:26:40.000 It was amazing.

01:26:41.000 That was an amazing performance.

01:26:42.000 Then he slipped.

01:26:43.000 He got hit with those three uppercuts and still threw a counter left hook.

01:26:47.000 Still threw a counter left hook. 1.00

01:26:48.000 He had to slip and then, bang, counter him again.

01:26:51.000 Yeah.

01:26:52.000 Like, that's crazy.

01:26:54.000 Yeah.

01:26:54.000 That's crazy.

01:26:55.000 Uppercuts aren't meant for people to be taking, bro.

01:26:58.000 Right.

01:26:58.000 They're not.

01:26:59.000 That's a nasty punch.

01:27:00.000 Remember when Rumble caught Glover with that uppercut?

01:27:02.000 Yeah.

01:27:03.000 Sent his tooth flying.

01:27:04.000 Rumble, rest in peace.

01:27:05.000 Yeah, man.

01:27:06.000 Rest in peace, Rumble.

01:27:07.000 What a great guy.

01:27:07.000 Put him down on one punch.

01:27:08.000 Oh, what the power that Rumble had was crazy.

01:27:12.000 And the fact that that guy carried that power all the way up in the heavyweight when he was a welterweight.

01:27:16.000 170. He was never 170. He was 170 for three minutes.

01:27:20.000 All right.

01:27:21.000 He made the weight, Joe.

01:27:23.000 Yeah, he made the weight.

01:27:24.000 He made the weight, Joe.

01:27:25.000 All right.

01:27:26.000 He did.

01:27:26.000 He looked like a skeleton.

01:27:28.000 He really did.

01:27:29.000 He looked like one of the people from Coco.

01:27:31.000 Yeah.

01:27:32.000 Whenever he did it.

01:27:34.000 But he made it.

01:27:35.000 One of these, man.

01:27:36.000 For real.

01:27:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:27:38.000 One of these sugar skulls. 0.99

01:27:39.000 Yeah, man, when I saw him in between fights once, he was so big.

01:27:45.000 I said, Anthony, how big are you?

01:27:46.000 And he goes, I'm about 230. I go, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

01:27:50.000 How are you going to lose 60 pounds? 0.99

01:27:53.000 And that was the real struggle when he decided to go up to middleweight.

01:27:57.000 And he missed middleweight. 0.89

01:27:58.000 Remember, he fought Vitor, missed middleweight, and then came back as a light heavyweight contender and one of the fucking scariest guys in the division. 0.95

01:28:06.000 It's wild. 1.00

01:28:07.000 A lot of people are silly. 0.99

01:28:08.000 Wild! 0.99

01:28:09.000 Just realized he can't do that to his body anymore and he course corrected.

01:28:13.000 But I wonder about those guys.

01:28:16.000 He developed an illness.

01:28:18.000 I don't know if it was related and unfortunately died.

01:28:21.000 But those guys that cut that much weight, how much of a toll is that taking on their body?

01:28:26.000 It's got to be taking a heavy, heavy toll.

01:28:28.000 Johnny Walker?

01:28:30.000 Johnny Walker's got to be 240 pounds before he starts that guy.

01:28:33.000 He's got to be.

01:28:34.000 He's so big.

01:28:35.000 Yeah.

01:28:36.000 Yeah, man.

01:28:40.000 I don't know, bro.

01:28:41.000 It's a heavy toll.

01:28:42.000 I think somebody said something like he rehydrated back up to like 237 or something like that.

01:28:48.000 I believe it.

01:28:48.000 It looks like it.

01:28:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:28:50.000 When you're standing next to him, like, how the fuck are you 205 pounds? 0.99

01:28:52.000 He's huge, dude. 0.99

01:28:53.000 I'm just looking like, all right, where's the skinny part?

01:28:55.000 Not the skinny.

01:28:57.000 So what does it say?

01:28:58.000 248 pounds one week after his fight.

01:29:02.000 Jesus Christ.

01:29:04.000 But look at him at even 248. He's not fat at 248. He's a big dude, man.

01:29:11.000 Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because he's actually been saying he's going to go up to heavyweight.

01:29:16.000 And he's talking about fighting.

01:29:17.000 He's got the right body type, bro.

01:29:18.000 Yeah.

01:29:19.000 He's got the right body type to bounce between the two.

01:29:21.000 You know who else is a big dude?

01:29:23.000 That Joltan Almeida dude.

01:29:25.000 Oh, he's big.

01:29:26.000 He's a big boy.

01:29:27.000 He's big.

01:29:28.000 He's a big boy.

01:29:29.000 He's heavyweight.

01:29:31.000 He'd be like another.

01:29:32.000 He'd be like another.

01:29:34.000 They actually offered me to fight him.

01:29:37.000 A 205?

01:29:38.000 Yeah, on the 21st of January.

01:29:41.000 Yeah, he weighs like what?

01:29:43.000 Like 220-ish as he fights as a heavyweight?

01:29:46.000 He's on the lighter side of heavyweight.

01:29:48.000 I don't know, dude.

01:29:49.000 I know if he makes it to 205, that's about the same size as Johnny Walker.

01:29:54.000 It's like the same body build and things like that.

01:29:57.000 So I think that actually would be exciting.

01:30:00.000 Yeah.

01:30:01.000 Would be a good one.

01:30:01.000 Is there any fighters from the past?

01:30:03.000 You look at it and go, man, I wish I was in his time.

01:30:08.000 I wish I could fight him.

01:30:12.000 There's a lot of the greats I would have liked to test myself against.

01:30:15.000 For me, it just looks like it's just a test.

01:30:20.000 I would have liked to fight Anderson Silva at his prime, at his peak.

01:30:23.000 I would have liked to fight Jon Jones at his peak.

01:30:27.000 I would have liked to fight Chuck Liddell, Lyoto Machida, Brock Lesnar.

01:30:38.000 Really?

01:30:39.000 I would have fought Brock.

01:30:41.000 Really?

01:30:41.000 Bro, I don't, bro.

01:30:43.000 Like, go wrong, bro.

01:30:45.000 Brock is a big name.

01:30:47.000 He's done a lot and things like that.

01:30:48.000 But I just don't think Brock was that good.

01:30:53.000 I just think he was big.

01:30:55.000 He was definitely big.

01:30:56.000 I don't think he was skilled.

01:30:58.000 I think he was just big.

01:30:59.000 Well, you know, an example of that is when Brock fought Alistair.

01:31:04.000 Before USADA came around, when Alistair was on all the Mexicans. 0.74

01:31:12.000 On the good stuff.

01:31:13.000 He was on the good stuff.

01:31:14.000 Yeah.

01:31:14.000 See, find that fight.

01:31:16.000 Brock Lesnar versus Alistair Overeem.

01:31:18.000 Look at the size of the ream.

01:31:21.000 That was a fully juiced ream.

01:31:24.000 The fully juiced ream was the scariest heavyweight that ever existed. 1.00

01:31:27.000 Look at that motherfucker. 1.00

01:31:29.000 His eyebrows got muscles. 1.00

01:31:31.000 If it was any man that got fucked by USADA, it's Alistair Overeem. 0.99

01:31:36.000 I think Alistair Overeem, when he was like allowed to supplement with whatever the fuck you could do, he was so... 0.99

01:31:43.000 Because he was a world-class kickboxer, K-1 Grand Prix champion. 0.93

01:31:47.000 The type of stand-up skills that he had, man. 0.98

01:31:51.000 Brock nervous as shit right here. 0.98

01:31:52.000 Of course he's nervous. 0.99

01:31:53.000 Because he's got to try to take this dude down, and the dude's as big as him.

01:31:57.000 And Alistair was also a European champion in Abu Dhabi.

01:32:01.000 He won the European trials. 0.98

01:32:03.000 You know, Alistair Overeem, he fucking guillotined Vitor Belfort. 0.93

01:32:06.000 Alistair Overeem can submit people, too. 0.98

01:32:09.000 Very good ground game.

01:32:10.000 You gotta be able to go from a no-win to be a boxer and no-win to be a wrestler.

01:32:15.000 He don't know that.

01:32:16.000 Yeah, this was such a good fight, too.

01:32:18.000 It was such a good fight because Alistair, at this time, was in his prime, entered into the UFC, and had great takedown defense.

01:32:26.000 Look, stops that single.

01:32:28.000 And his stand-up was unparalleled.

01:32:30.000 I mean, by the time he fought Francis, he was already battle-worn and off the sauce and fighting natural.

01:32:38.000 It's just not the same guy.

01:32:39.000 I would have loved to have seen Francis in his prime versus this ouster.

01:32:44.000 Because they're literally the same size.

01:32:46.000 Francis is just a natural freak.

01:32:48.000 Francis is like some of the best genetics I've ever seen in the heavyweight division.

01:32:53.000 He's the perfect heavyweight.

01:32:55.000 Especially since there's a weight class.

01:32:56.000 Look how he's putting it on, man.

01:32:58.000 I mean, it's so skillful.

01:32:59.000 The way he frames off there.

01:33:00.000 He sets up that left kick to the body.

01:33:02.000 Oh, that liver kick. 0.92

01:33:03.000 Come on, man.

01:33:05.000 And Alistair's liver kick, that's a totally different level.

01:33:08.000 If you've never been hit by a world-class kickboxer like that, oof.

01:33:12.000 Yeah.

01:33:13.000 He's one of my absolute favorite fighters to watch in his prime. 1.00

01:33:16.000 Alistair in his prime was the fucking man. 0.99

01:33:19.000 He really was. 1.00

01:33:21.000 And people forgot, man.

01:33:23.000 The ones that shake your organs.

01:33:24.000 And you take a couple steps and all of a sudden you just...

01:33:27.000 Yeah.

01:33:28.000 I remember when he fought Brett Rogers in Strikeforce, and the moment he hit him with a leg kick, you see Brett Rogers' eyes like, oh boy, this is a different thing.

01:33:39.000 This is a totally different thing.

01:33:41.000 Like, you're in there with an elite, world-class kickboxer.

01:33:45.000 So you would have fought him at heavyweight.

01:33:49.000 Brock Lesnar. 1.00

01:33:50.000 Yeah, I don't fuck him anyway. 1.00

01:33:51.000 Yeah, you like that fight. 1.00

01:33:54.000 265, something like that.

01:33:55.000 He ain't gonna do nothing.

01:33:56.000 He'll just try to dry hump me. 0.74

01:34:02.000 That's all he's gonna do.

01:34:03.000 Just try to get a little frisky on me. 1.00

01:34:05.000 When you think about your career, do you have a timeline when you want to get out of the game?

01:34:13.000 I juggle with it right now.

01:34:15.000 I'm just having fun with it.

01:34:17.000 Whenever I feel like people still want to see me and I still have things that I want to do and accomplish, I'm going to keep doing it.

01:34:27.000 Whenever I feel like I can't be at that level that I'm accustomed to being at, I'll find something else for me to do.

01:34:37.000 So right now you're just concentrating on excellence, just being the best you can be.

01:34:41.000 Do you have a thing that you want to do when you're done fighting?

01:34:44.000 Yeah.

01:34:44.000 What do you want to do?

01:34:45.000 I want to get into...

01:34:48.000 In the entertainment.

01:34:49.000 I like to entertain.

01:34:51.000 I like to make people laugh.

01:34:52.000 You're a funny dude, man.

01:34:53.000 You're very funny.

01:34:54.000 Your social media is excellent.

01:34:56.000 Sweet Dreams Hill.

01:34:57.000 Is Sweet Dreams Hill MMA? Sweet underscore dreams underscore J Hill.

01:35:02.000 Okay.

01:35:03.000 That's your Instagram.

01:35:05.000 You're funny, man. 1.00

01:35:06.000 You got a good following on Instagram and you fuck around a lot. 0.99

01:35:10.000 It's like, that's a factor. 0.98

01:35:13.000 Like, being likable, being someone that is entertaining, that people enjoy, and that they can root for.

01:35:20.000 Like, people watch, like, where you at, doe?

01:35:23.000 Where you at, doe?

01:35:25.000 Yeah, that.

01:35:26.000 That's what she said! 1.00

01:35:29.000 That kind of shit is valuable. 1.00

01:35:33.000 If you looked at an overall fighter's marketability, there's your ability inside the cage that's already there, but then there's the personality. 0.99

01:35:42.000 And that's the intangible.

01:35:44.000 That's what makes people really want to see you.

01:35:46.000 And you got that.

01:35:47.000 I just like entertaining.

01:35:51.000 I like entertaining.

01:35:52.000 I like making people happy.

01:35:55.000 I like making people laugh.

01:35:57.000 Also, another thing I want to do whenever I get down is movies.

01:36:00.000 I want to get into movies.

01:36:01.000 I like writing movies.

01:36:02.000 I like writing my own stories.

01:36:03.000 I like being creative and things like that. 0.99

01:36:06.000 No shit. 0.99

01:36:06.000 You write movies? 0.99

01:36:07.000 I've written some movies and some TV series ideas. 0.99

01:36:10.000 No shit. 0.95

01:36:12.000 Interesting. 0.99

01:36:12.000 When did you start doing that? 0.99

01:36:16.000 Honestly, it kind of started when I was a little kid.

01:36:19.000 I don't know if anybody else ever played with their toys, but what I would do with my toys, like my action figures, it'd be like a whole situation, right?

01:36:26.000 Like, alright, this is the boss level on this floor right here.

01:36:29.000 They on this floor doing this.

01:36:31.000 He got you, girl. 0.99

01:36:32.000 Then we'd do fight scenes, but the fight scenes always had to lead up to something.

01:36:35.000 So I was kind of like making stories and making things up in my head.

01:36:39.000 Already, like, we're just doing it with toys.

01:36:41.000 Like, dang.

01:36:42.000 I wonder if I could ever create these into, like, movies.

01:36:45.000 Like, I thought of this as a little kid, so, like, that's just something I've always wanted to do.

01:36:49.000 What movies are you into? 0.99

01:36:50.000 Like, what's the kind of shit that you really like? 0.99

01:36:52.000 A bunch of different things, like action, you know, drama, thrill, you know, scary movies. 0.99

01:36:59.000 I kind of watch it all.

01:37:00.000 I dabble in it all.

01:37:02.000 So that's the thought of concentrating on, like, later in your career?

01:37:06.000 Yeah.

01:37:07.000 Yeah.

01:37:08.000 Yeah, you could do that.

01:37:10.000 100%.

01:37:10.000 You know what else you could do?

01:37:11.000 You could do a podcast.

01:37:13.000 And you could do that now.

01:37:14.000 Yeah, I'm going to get that going.

01:37:16.000 You could totally do that now.

01:37:17.000 And it's a great marketing tool because you could talk about fights after the fights happen.

01:37:23.000 You could make a breakdown of what you think could happen. 1.00

01:37:27.000 And just talk shit. 1.00

01:37:28.000 Just get together with your friends and fuck around. 1.00

01:37:31.000 It's so easy to do. 1.00

01:37:32.000 And you got a perfect personality for it.

01:37:35.000 And it's a great marketing tool, too.

01:37:37.000 Like, all that stuff is great for your overall profile, you know?

01:37:41.000 Yeah, I've been meaning to do it and buckle down.

01:37:44.000 But then I come in and I see studios, like, yo, set up.

01:37:47.000 And I'll be like, I don't have it set up.

01:37:49.000 Maybe I should get it first.

01:37:51.000 Well, I started out in my living room on a laptop.

01:37:54.000 I mean, it was just me and my friends.

01:37:56.000 It was the most low-tech setup ever. 0.98

01:37:59.000 Web camera, you know, like, fucking Ethernet cable into the laptop. 0.98

01:38:04.000 It was so low-tech. 0.99

01:38:06.000 Like, you just need to start.

01:38:07.000 And then eventually, you're like, you know what?

01:38:09.000 We need better chairs.

01:38:10.000 Eventually, you'd be like, you know what?

01:38:11.000 We need, like, a real table that has, like, microphones that come out of the table.

01:38:15.000 Yeah.

01:38:15.000 You know, we need some lighting in this room.

01:38:17.000 This room's got bullshit lighting. 0.99

01:38:18.000 You know what? 1.00

01:38:19.000 We need better cameras. 0.94

01:38:20.000 You know, we need that and then it'll all Yeah, but the most important thing is just to start doing it like everybody thinks that they look at all these Podcasts that are like real successful and they go oh I have to have a setup like that like no No, just gotta just you set a fucking iPhone up in front of you on a table And just talk to it. 0.73

01:38:40.000 Just talk into it.

01:38:41.000 You could just do it on Instagram.

01:38:43.000 It's not hard to do.

01:38:44.000 You could just start.

01:38:45.000 And then once you get started, people go, hey, when are you doing those again?

01:38:48.000 And people get excited about it and they want to see it.

01:38:50.000 And then you just build.

01:38:52.000 Just build.

01:38:52.000 Just keep doing it.

01:38:54.000 Yeah.

01:38:55.000 Yeah, I'm going to get those started.

01:38:56.000 That's one of the plans whenever I got back home after I got done.

01:39:00.000 Let me know.

01:39:01.000 Let me know.

01:39:01.000 And I'll put it up on Instagram.

01:39:02.000 But you definitely could do that.

01:39:04.000 You definitely could do that.

01:39:05.000 And that's also another good source of revenue.

01:39:08.000 You could get more money coming in that way.

01:39:11.000 And, you know, if a fighter—like, look at Chael Sonnen.

01:39:14.000 Chael Sonnen has done a fantastic job of doing that.

01:39:17.000 He breaks down fights, has his videos, they're all super popular, and, you know, makes that transition into commentary as well.

01:39:25.000 It's a smart thing to do for a fighter, it really is.

01:39:28.000 Because everybody wants to hear perspective on this sport, because it's such, you know, you got the people that train, And the people that fight, and then you got other people that just like watching. 0.98

01:39:38.000 And the other people that just like watching, they kind of don't know a lot of the shit that's going on.

01:39:43.000 And if they get an insight from a world champion like yourself who explains what this is like and explains what's wrong with this, explains why this should have been different, explains what he could have done, that's so valuable to people. 0.59

01:39:57.000 And so to get someone who's doing it, like, really no one right now in the championship level is doing a podcast.

01:40:05.000 Yeah.

01:40:06.000 Are there?

01:40:07.000 No, Aljo's doing it.

01:40:09.000 Aljo's doing it.

01:40:10.000 He does it.

01:40:11.000 He's the only one.

01:40:12.000 Izzy's doing it.

01:40:14.000 Izzy's doing his own podcast?

01:40:15.000 Yeah.

01:40:16.000 He does breakdowns.

01:40:17.000 He does reaction videos.

01:40:19.000 He just did it from my last fight.

01:40:23.000 Volk does.

01:40:24.000 Volk's been doing breakdowns.

01:40:26.000 He does a cooking show.

01:40:28.000 Volkanovski? 1.00

01:40:28.000 Yes, he makes some good shit. 1.00

01:40:29.000 He makes some good shit. 1.00

01:40:30.000 He makes some good shit, yeah. 1.00

01:40:31.000 What do you think about that fight with him and Makhachev? 1.00

01:40:34.000 I think that's a good fight.

01:40:35.000 I think it's a good fight.

01:40:36.000 It's a crazy fight, right?

01:40:38.000 It's a crazy fight, yeah.

01:40:38.000 To go right from, like, 145-pound champion to the first title defense at 155 for Makhachev.

01:40:46.000 That's a crazy fight, man.

01:40:48.000 Yeah.

01:40:48.000 That's this weekend.

01:40:50.000 Bro, it's crazy.

01:40:52.000 Honestly, just mainly I think a lot of it is because of how Islam beat Charles. 1.00

01:40:58.000 Like, nobody saw that coming.

01:41:00.000 I thought it was going to be a tough fight.

01:41:01.000 I thought it was going to be a tough fight, too.

01:41:03.000 He hurt him on the feet.

01:41:04.000 On the feet.

01:41:05.000 On the feet.

01:41:05.000 Beat him with it.

01:41:06.000 Beat him standing and then followed him to where everybody thought he would be safe at.

01:41:11.000 I've seen a clip of that choke that he did.

01:41:13.000 I know how that choke was so tight now.

01:41:16.000 Because most people finish a head and arm triangle, they go into the elbow.

01:41:22.000 The bicep, yeah.

01:41:22.000 He went up higher.

01:41:25.000 He went up higher.

01:41:26.000 And then...

01:41:28.000 Tighter squeeze into it.

01:41:30.000 Well, I think his squeeze is just phenomenal.

01:41:32.000 Because if you see the way he tapped Drew Dober too, the same sort of situation.

01:41:36.000 He gets guys on the ground and I think it's just a next level power and squeeze.

01:41:43.000 Some dudes just have next level squeeze. 1.00

01:41:46.000 And next level grappling power.

01:41:49.000 And he's developed that his whole life.

01:41:51.000 He's also enormous for 155. He's about as big as you can get and safely make 155 pounds.

01:41:58.000 I've never seen him in person.

01:41:59.000 He's big.

01:42:00.000 He's about 190. He looks to me like a welterweight.

01:42:05.000 Where does Volk walk around at?

01:42:07.000 Can't be nearly that high.

01:42:09.000 Volk is 5'6".

01:42:10.000 170?

01:42:11.000 I think he was a big dude before.

01:42:13.000 He was.

01:42:13.000 He was a big rugby player.

01:42:15.000 He got big fucking legs. 1.00

01:42:16.000 He's tough as shit, man. 1.00

01:42:17.000 He's fast as fuck. 1.00

01:42:18.000 Fast as fuck. 1.00

01:42:19.000 He's fast as fuck. 1.00

01:42:20.000 And I realized that in the Holloway fight. 0.99

01:42:22.000 The last one.

01:42:23.000 Yeah.

01:42:24.000 Because I was there, and I was actually watching it live.

01:42:27.000 And, you know, Max is fast in his own right.

01:42:29.000 It's just like, bro, every time Max twitched, like, smallest of twitch, smallest of twitch, bang, he exploded.

01:42:38.000 And he beat him to the punch every time.

01:42:40.000 Every time.

01:42:41.000 Every time.

01:42:42.000 It was crazy, dude.

01:42:44.000 He's good.

01:42:45.000 It was a big leap up.

01:42:46.000 Like, when you go to their first fight and then you go to their last fight, you see a different Volkanovski.

01:42:52.000 Completely different fighter.

01:42:53.000 He's on a whole nother level now. 0.99

01:42:55.000 That guy's drive, his fucking drive is top of the food chain. 0.99

01:43:00.000 That's why I think he wins. 1.00

01:43:02.000 Really?

01:43:02.000 I think he wins.

01:43:03.000 You think he wins over Makachev? 0.93

01:43:04.000 I think he wins.

01:43:06.000 Wow, that's interesting that you say that.

01:43:08.000 Because he's probably a heavy betting underdog, if I had to guess.

01:43:13.000 If I had to guess, he's at least a two to one underdog.

01:43:16.000 What's the betting odds for this weekend?

01:43:19.000 I think if he comes out loose, creative, standing out to start, I think he catches him with something big.

01:43:26.000 Interesting.

01:43:27.000 He can either cut him open or he can put some damage on him early.

01:43:30.000 That changes the fight.

01:43:32.000 I think that's the main thing he's got to do is put some type of damage on him.

01:43:35.000 Get that respect out the gate.

01:43:37.000 I think he can do it.

01:43:38.000 What do we got for the odds?

01:43:40.000 They don't have it listed on the UFC set.

01:43:41.000 I'm going to have to check a betting site.

01:43:42.000 Okay.

01:43:43.000 The thing about...

01:43:46.000 Makachev, he might be looking at him like it's an easy win.

01:43:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:43:51.000 Because he's been saying a lot of shit. 1.00

01:43:53.000 It might just be talk. 1.00

01:43:54.000 Hey, short man, what is short man going to do to me? 0.98

01:43:57.000 You know, like he's been talking shit about him, about how he's little, and the 145-pounders are a big difference between that and 155, which is true. 0.95

01:44:06.000 But the other thing that's true is a lot of times when guys are cutting weight to get to 145 pounds, they're diminishing their abilities. 0.95

01:44:12.000 You might see a better Volkanovski at 155. Even though he's the best of the best at 145, he might be doing that.

01:44:20.000 Big favorite.

01:44:21.000 Are you joking, bro?

01:44:23.000 What?

01:44:23.000 That's a big favorite.

01:44:24.000 Damn, we're not allowed to bet on fights. 0.97

01:44:26.000 So he's plus... 1.00

01:44:27.000 I know, that sucks. 0.54

01:44:28.000 That's plus 290 for Makachev, and Volkanovski is 375. Minus 375. What is Volkanovski for the finish? 0.90

01:44:39.000 Oh, that's got to be like a fucking, that's got to be crazy odds. 0.95

01:44:42.000 Last year I could find that somewhere too. 0.99

01:44:43.000 That's got to be crazy odds.

01:44:45.000 What is going on in the Yair Rodriguez?

01:44:47.000 Let me see what the odds are on that.

01:44:48.000 I think if he hits him, I think he catches him, especially like that right hand is fast and sharp.

01:44:53.000 Fast.

01:44:54.000 I think that left hook is sharp and nasty too. 0.96

01:44:57.000 So I think if he hits him with one of those and then he starts working the legs, that's a long night for Islam. 1.00

01:45:03.000 It is.

01:45:04.000 However, I know MMA and math doesn't really work, but if you look at Brian Ortega's fight with Volkanovski, Brian Ortega almost finished him twice.

01:45:14.000 He got so close to that mounted guillotine.

01:45:17.000 That's a jiu-jitsu based guy.

01:45:19.000 Yes, but same techniques.

01:45:21.000 I think it's a little different.

01:45:22.000 But top game pressure and crushing with that guillotine is what Ortega almost got him with.

01:45:29.000 I don't know if Volkanovski survives if Makachev gets him in that same exact spot.

01:45:34.000 What?

01:45:35.000 What's going on?

01:45:36.000 The website, a different website.

01:45:38.000 I would not name it.

01:45:39.000 It's fine.

01:45:41.000 It has the odds way different.

01:45:44.000 Hmm.

01:45:45.000 Opposite, almost.

01:45:47.000 Bet on both.

01:45:49.000 How is that?

01:45:50.000 Go bet on both.

01:45:51.000 The one I checked before would have been printed maybe a couple days ago, and this is updated live.

01:45:56.000 So maybe the betting got so far the other way that they've switched it.

01:45:59.000 I don't know.

01:46:00.000 I might have to check a third site now to see what this is.

01:46:03.000 Because this has Makachev's favorite to win inside the distance.

01:46:07.000 Right.

01:46:07.000 This is also favorite to win inside five rounds.

01:46:11.000 Interesting.

01:46:12.000 Wins by submission would be the highest bet here.

01:46:15.000 Interesting.

01:46:16.000 Yeah, so I'll check something else.

01:46:17.000 Look at the draw.

01:46:19.000 Plus 6,600.

01:46:20.000 It's almost always worth throwing money on the draw in case it happens.

01:46:23.000 Yeah.

01:46:24.000 Interesting.

01:46:26.000 Yeah, weird. 1.00

01:46:26.000 Damn. 1.00

01:46:27.000 If only, if only. 0.99

01:46:29.000 282. It's more valuable than we all knew.

01:46:31.000 I fucking hate that they took away gambling. 0.98

01:46:33.000 I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself. 0.99

01:46:35.000 I would love it if, like, you're fighting someone and we said Jamal Hill just bet a million dollars on himself.

01:46:41.000 Like, oh!

01:46:42.000 That adds to the fight.

01:46:43.000 It makes it more exciting.

01:46:45.000 Justin James.

01:46:46.000 Yeah, you should be able to bet on yourself.

01:46:50.000 But the thing that fucked everybody up was this whole thing with that one fighter that looks like he took a dive.

01:46:55.000 Krause.

01:46:55.000 Yeah.

01:46:56.000 Well, Krause is cornering this guy.

01:46:58.000 Now no one from Krause's team can even compete in the UFC. You have to leave his camp if you want to fight in the UFC, which is crazy.

01:47:07.000 It's crazy.

01:47:07.000 It's crazy because if you can't gamble, what difference does it make where you're training?

01:47:11.000 If you can't gamble, you just made a rule that said they can't gamble.

01:47:15.000 Okay.

01:47:16.000 So why are you telling them they can't train with this camp anymore?

01:47:19.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:47:21.000 And they're saying he's suspended as a corner.

01:47:24.000 Okay, but what about training from that gym?

01:47:26.000 You can't train from that gym?

01:47:28.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:47:30.000 You can't train a guy in a way that it's an unfair advantage.

01:47:35.000 So what's the point?

01:47:36.000 Why can't these guys from that gym?

01:47:39.000 If you're going to say Krause can't corner him, fine.

01:47:41.000 Just influence, I guess.

01:47:43.000 What kind of influence if there's no gambling?

01:47:45.000 If the gambling's not legal anymore?

01:47:47.000 You made gambling illegal.

01:47:48.000 So why are you penalizing these young fighters?

01:47:51.000 They don't have anything to do with that.

01:47:52.000 And they're coming out of this camp.

01:47:54.000 And you're also, what if the guy's innocent?

01:47:56.000 Okay, what if it turns out, because there's an investigation, what if it turns out he's innocent?

01:48:00.000 You've destroyed his livelihood.

01:48:02.000 You've destroyed his gym.

01:48:03.000 You've destroyed his reputation.

01:48:05.000 And we don't even know what the reality of the situation is.

01:48:08.000 The allegations are not good.

01:48:10.000 The allegations appears like they knew a guy was injured.

01:48:13.000 They told people who was injured he was going to lose the fight.

01:48:15.000 And everybody bet on the opponent. 1.00

01:48:17.000 If that's the case, that's some dirty shit. 1.00

01:48:20.000 That's some dirty shit. 1.00

01:48:21.000 But... 1.00

01:48:22.000 You know, if you want to bet on yourself or bet on your fighter, I feel like that should be good.

01:48:28.000 That's exciting.

01:48:28.000 That makes it fun.

01:48:29.000 You find out his brother bet $50,000 on him. 1.00

01:48:32.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:48:33.000 It's fun. 1.00

01:48:34.000 Makes it fun.

01:48:35.000 I like that.

01:48:36.000 I like fun.

01:48:37.000 Gambling's fun.

01:48:38.000 If they've outlawed all gambling on the UFC, I would be so upset.

01:48:42.000 You're just gonna make bookmakers happy.

01:48:45.000 They're just gonna do it illegally. 0.96

01:48:46.000 And that makes people, and not only that, bro, gambling brings people in.

01:48:50.000 The first thing I pulled up must have been an error, because everything else has the opposite.

01:48:54.000 It has a Makachev as a heavy favorite. 1.00

01:48:56.000 Yeah, well, what did the other one say?

01:48:58.000 Was Volkanovski not a heavy favorite?

01:49:00.000 Yeah, this is the first thing I pulled up, is this.

01:49:02.000 And this must be an error.

01:49:04.000 They must have just switched that on an accident.

01:49:07.000 Oh, okay.

01:49:07.000 So it's Volkanovski is the favorite.

01:49:10.000 Yeah.

01:49:11.000 But the regular one that you just pulled up, the other site...

01:49:15.000 This has the site.

01:49:15.000 This has betting across all websites.

01:49:17.000 That's Makachev is a four-to-one favorite.

01:49:19.000 Correct.

01:49:19.000 Which makes more sense.

01:49:22.000 And you got Yair Rodriguez.

01:49:23.000 He's a favorite over Josh Emmett.

01:49:26.000 Five to one here.

01:49:27.000 Five to one.

01:49:27.000 Wow.

01:49:29.000 Interesting.

01:49:30.000 You know, another fucking great fight on that card is Jack Della Maddalena and Randy Brown. 0.97

01:49:35.000 That's a great fight. 0.98

01:49:36.000 That's a great fight. 1.00

01:49:38.000 That Della Maddalena's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:49:41.000 And Randy Brown is long and talented. 0.99

01:49:44.000 I really like that fight.

01:49:46.000 His nose gets me every time. 1.00

01:49:47.000 Oh, it's fucked? 1.00

01:49:48.000 You don't want that nose? 1.00

01:49:49.000 No, I don't.

01:49:52.000 Yeah.

01:49:52.000 That nose is smashed and never fixed.

01:49:55.000 Yeah.

01:49:56.000 But that's a hard-nosed dude, man.

01:49:58.000 And he's going to be fighting in Australia.

01:50:01.000 Which, for a guy who lives there, man, that's such an advantage of not having to get on that 16-hour flight.

01:50:07.000 Oh.

01:50:08.000 Yeah.

01:50:08.000 That 16-hour flight will fuck up multiple days.

01:50:11.000 Because even though you're training, you're trying to get...

01:50:14.000 You're still...

01:50:15.000 How hard was the flight to Brazil?

01:50:17.000 It wasn't hard at all.

01:50:18.000 No?

01:50:18.000 Going down there, we actually flew out at night, so...

01:50:23.000 I fell asleep before the plane even left the ground.

01:50:28.000 And by the time I had woken up, we had already been up in the air for like five hours.

01:50:31.000 Oh, nice.

01:50:32.000 So it was just like, wake up, we got about four and a half hours.

01:50:35.000 I watched like two movies and we were there.

01:50:37.000 And so then once you got in, do you train immediately to acclimate your body?

01:50:42.000 What do you do?

01:50:43.000 I just chill.

01:50:44.000 How many days in advance of the fight did you get there?

01:50:47.000 I got there Monday.

01:50:48.000 We left Sunday and we arrived Monday morning.

01:50:51.000 Wow, that's not much time at all.

01:50:53.000 Have you ever had a fight at a heavy altitude?

01:50:57.000 Not heavy, but higher.

01:50:59.000 I know Vegas is higher altitude than Michigan is.

01:51:02.000 Oh, is it though?

01:51:03.000 It's like 1500. Yeah, but that doesn't really factor in.

01:51:06.000 It would really factor, does it?

01:51:08.000 It might.

01:51:08.000 Did you notice it at all?

01:51:10.000 I felt a little different.

01:51:14.000 The thing I'm thinking about is when Cain Velasquez...

01:51:18.000 The Mexico City one is a rough one, because Fabricio Verdum, he got there real early, like months early, and he trained in the mountains above Mexico City.

01:51:31.000 Fabricio did it the right way.

01:51:33.000 He spent a lot of time.

01:51:35.000 That's a guy that doesn't get the credit that he deserves.

01:51:37.000 I believe Fabricio Verdum should go down as one of the all-time great MMA fighters.

01:51:42.000 One of all-time great heavyweight champions.

01:51:44.000 If you look at all the heavyweight champions and what they accomplished, Fabricio Verdum tapped out all the legends.

01:51:50.000 All the legends.

01:51:52.000 Tapped out Cain Velasquez.

01:51:54.000 Tapped out Fedor.

01:51:55.000 Tapped out Minotauro.

01:51:57.000 I mean, dude. 1.00

01:51:59.000 Fabricio Verdum in his prime was a motherfucker. 0.99

01:52:04.000 And again, that top-level jiu-jitsu. 0.99

01:52:06.000 World championship caliber jiu-jitsu.

01:52:08.000 I don't think his prime lasted long enough.

01:52:09.000 Didn't last long enough.

01:52:11.000 But if you just look at his accomplishments, just by virtue of accomplishments, you have to put him in there as some of the all-time greats.

01:52:16.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:52:17.000 And when he tapped Fedor, when he caught Fedor in that triangle, it was like, oh, oh, oh, oh!

01:52:24.000 Honestly, now that I think about it, whose prime in heavyweight actually did last that long?

01:52:30.000 Stipe.

01:52:32.000 Stipe's probably, if you look at the all-time heavyweight greats, outside of the UFC. Outside of the UFC. Outside of the UFC, you have to say Fedor.

01:52:43.000 You have to say Fedor.

01:52:44.000 He's the greatest.

01:52:45.000 He's the greatest.

01:52:46.000 Fedor might be the greatest heavyweight of all time.

01:52:48.000 There's always going to be that thing because he didn't fight in the UFC. And then there's Cain Velasquez in his prime, who was the motherfucker back. 0.98

01:52:57.000 He was the motherfucker. 0.99

01:52:58.000 But I always wonder, Like, Cain Velasquez, in his prime, Junior Dos Santos, still caught him with one punch and knocked him out. 1.00

01:53:04.000 What would Francis have done to him?

01:53:06.000 Would he have done to him the same thing he did when they fought later?

01:53:08.000 Yeah.

01:53:08.000 Because when they fought later, Francis clipped him once and put him out in the first round.

01:53:12.000 Maybe Francis would have done that his entire career.

01:53:15.000 Like, maybe. 0.99

01:53:16.000 I remember that damn fight. 1.00

01:53:17.000 That was on Fox. 1.00

01:53:19.000 They put one fucking fight on that entire card, and he came out and got clipped in like a minute and a half. 0.98

01:53:25.000 And it was like, alright, see, goodnight, folks. 0.99

01:53:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:29.000 It was like, damn. 1.00

01:53:30.000 He caught one big punch, and apparently Kane had a really fucked up knee. 1.00

01:53:35.000 Going into that fight. 0.97

01:53:36.000 He couldn't train right and they made him fight.

01:53:39.000 He had a fight.

01:53:40.000 It's like, hey, this is a big deal.

01:53:42.000 It's on Fox.

01:53:43.000 Gotta defend your title.

01:53:44.000 And then he goes out there with a blown out knee.

01:53:46.000 But then dominated him in a rematch. 1.00

01:53:48.000 The two rematches.

01:53:50.000 Both of them.

01:53:51.000 They were hard to watch.

01:53:51.000 They weren't even close.

01:53:52.000 They were hard to watch.

01:53:53.000 They weren't even close. 0.98

01:53:54.000 Kane had cardio like you couldn't fucking believe. 0.97

01:53:58.000 That was the scary thing about Kane. 0.98

01:53:59.000 He never stopped coming at you.

01:54:01.000 It was like a Julio Cesar Chavez approach.

01:54:05.000 Whereas Julio Cesar Chavez, he was one of the greatest boxers of all time, but he wasn't really a one-punch guy.

01:54:11.000 He would beat the fuck out of you, just keep coming, never tired, combinations, always moving, always moving.

01:54:18.000 I mean, I loved watching Julio Cesar Chavez in his prime.

01:54:22.000 But that's what Kane was like as a heavyweight.

01:54:24.000 No, just never tired.

01:54:28.000 Just constant volume.

01:54:30.000 Like volume you never see in the heavyweight division.

01:54:33.000 But still, what would Francis have done to that?

01:54:37.000 Like Francis has that nuclear option.

01:54:39.000 Which Francis?

01:54:40.000 It depends on Francis at what level.

01:54:42.000 Stipe 2. That Francis.

01:54:44.000 Francis when he knocks out Stipe.

01:54:46.000 That Francis might be the greatest heavyweight of all time.

01:54:49.000 Yeah, that's kind of...

01:54:51.000 Even against Cyril Ghan, right?

01:54:53.000 He turned into, like, he adjusted, and we're like, all right, you know, I'm about to just keep in here and chop my legs and took him down. 0.99

01:54:59.000 And this is Francis with a really fucked up leg. 0.95

01:55:01.000 He had a torn ACL and a torn MCL going into that fight. 1.00

01:55:05.000 His leg was fucked up, and he won with that fucked up leg. 0.99

01:55:09.000 Just grappling. 1.00

01:55:10.000 Without being able to do what he does best, which is strike.

01:55:14.000 Kind of crazy.

01:55:15.000 Couldn't move well on that one leg.

01:55:17.000 Yeah.

01:55:17.000 Without the credentials, honestly, probably without...

01:55:22.000 How do you say this?

01:55:24.000 Without the credentials, obviously somebody's more decorated and things like that, but if we're talking like just pure gifts, you probably have to go with Francis.

01:55:35.000 I can't think of a heavyweight champion across history that he couldn't beat.

01:55:42.000 I think the Francis that fought Stipe the second time, DC said it best.

01:55:48.000 DC's like, patient Francis is a scary Francis.

01:55:51.000 Because he was patient in that fight.

01:55:53.000 Calculated.

01:55:54.000 He started, the beginning of the end was a jab.

01:55:58.000 In his hands, man.

01:55:59.000 You get clipped with one of those bombs.

01:56:02.000 That Alistair Overeem knockout to this day was one of the scariest knockouts I've ever saw.

01:56:06.000 That shovel hook, you hit him with that left hook. 1.00

01:56:09.000 Yeah, bro.

01:56:10.000 That was Alistair's fault, though, because, like, bro, you felt the first one that he missed you with, and you still stood in there trying to swing with him.

01:56:16.000 Get out.

01:56:18.000 Get out.

01:56:19.000 He should have read just like the dude from Get Out.

01:56:22.000 Get him out of there.

01:56:23.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:56:25.000 I mean, bro, he's looking at the seats behind him.

01:56:28.000 Yeah, we call that getting your Koofy knocked off. 1.00

01:56:32.000 Koofy Jones, Koofy Juice. 0.79

01:56:35.000 You see that?

01:56:36.000 You see that?

01:56:36.000 You see that sweat hanging flying?

01:56:37.000 You see the beads of sweat flying off his chin?

01:56:40.000 Oh, my God.

01:56:40.000 That's Koofy Juice right there.

01:56:42.000 That was a crazy, crazy knockout. 0.99

01:56:45.000 But again, that's the thing about Francis.

01:56:48.000 To have that kind of power, it's such a game changer.

01:56:53.000 It's like what Teddy Atlas says about Deontay Wilder, that he said he's got that eraser.

01:56:59.000 His head and his neck were asleep, but the rest of his body was still awake.

01:57:03.000 Yeah.

01:57:04.000 When it first connects, you could see where his head go to sleep.

01:57:07.000 Look at the difference in Alistair's body between Alistair and when he fought Brock Lesnar.

01:57:11.000 It's a different human being.

01:57:13.000 That's natural Alistair.

01:57:15.000 And natural Alistair, oh my goodness.

01:57:17.000 No.

01:57:17.000 Oh my goodness.

01:57:19.000 Oh my goodness.

01:57:20.000 Boom! 0.99

01:57:21.000 That left hook.

01:57:22.000 Bam! 0.98

01:57:23.000 And then that hammer.

01:57:23.000 Put his head down trying to blindly swing.

01:57:24.000 You gotta see where you're punching.

01:57:26.000 Hoo-wee! 1.00

01:57:28.000 He just stepped inside of it, too.

01:57:30.000 That's all.

01:57:31.000 Alistair threw it.

01:57:32.000 He just kind of stepped inside of it.

01:57:34.000 Bang! 1.00

01:57:36.000 Yeah.

01:57:38.000 Yeah, Alistair was just, I mean, he was wide open in that.

01:57:42.000 It's just not the same guy.

01:57:44.000 Not the same guy when, you know, he's not supplementing.

01:57:48.000 First left miss, bro, you gotta get out.

01:57:51.000 Get out.

01:57:52.000 Get out.

01:57:52.000 Spin, move.

01:57:54.000 He changed his style.

01:57:55.000 Remember he changed his style?

01:57:56.000 Like when he did go natural, he changed his style and started moving a lot more.

01:58:00.000 And he was training with Jackson Winklejohn, right?

01:58:03.000 Wasn't he?

01:58:04.000 Cool.

01:58:04.000 Alistair?

01:58:05.000 Alistair.

01:58:05.000 I think he was.

01:58:06.000 Pretty sure he was.

01:58:07.000 He was moving a lot more.

01:58:09.000 He was trying to outpoint guys.

01:58:13.000 Yeah, like when he fought Junior Dos Santos.

01:58:15.000 That was a good fight.

01:58:17.000 He just used a lot more movement.

01:58:19.000 He was just more cautious.

01:58:21.000 Different fighter.

01:58:22.000 Styles made fights, right?

01:58:23.000 So that might work against one fighter, but not against the other.

01:58:26.000 Honestly, that should have been the approach that he took.

01:58:28.000 In and out, moving like that.

01:58:30.000 That's the approach he should have took to Francis. 0.77

01:58:32.000 Chop his legs. 0.97

01:58:33.000 Chop at his legs first. 0.96

01:58:35.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:58:36.000 Try to reach you.

01:58:37.000 Try to make him reach you.

01:58:38.000 Don't let him catch you coming.

01:58:40.000 Because there, you got caught coming to him.

01:58:42.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:58:43.000 Nah, bro.

01:58:44.000 And then, I've never been a fan of him.

01:58:48.000 Mm-hmm.

01:58:49.000 Yeah, it's weird.

01:58:50.000 It seemed like he was just like a little tentative in that fight, like just feared of that power, just aware, hyper aware of that power.

01:58:58.000 But in being scared of it, he put himself right in the line to get hit with it bad, like clipped bad.

01:59:06.000 That Francis, like the Francis that beat Stipe in the second fight, I would have loved to have seen him against anybody that ever lived.

01:59:13.000 Including Fedor in his prime.

01:59:15.000 All those guys in their prime.

01:59:16.000 Francis was just so ferocious.

01:59:18.000 And anytime he touched you, you were doomed.

01:59:21.000 He would have blocked.

01:59:23.000 You put him in the early days and he blocks a lot.

01:59:28.000 A lot of dudes don't win a title.

01:59:29.000 Yeah.

01:59:30.000 A lot of dudes don't want a title.

01:59:32.000 They don't even get close.

01:59:33.000 Yeah.

01:59:34.000 No, he's next level.

01:59:35.000 That's why I was very upset when he didn't re-sign with the UFC. I'm very happy for him if he gets that giant payday.

01:59:43.000 They're talking about him and Deontay Wilder now.

01:59:45.000 I read that today.

01:59:48.000 Talk about him and Deontay Wilder in a boxing match.

01:59:51.000 That would be violent. 0.80

01:59:53.000 It would be violent.

01:59:54.000 Yeah.

01:59:54.000 And, you know, Deontay can be hit.

01:59:56.000 But Deontay hits people.

01:59:58.000 Deontay hits hard, bro.

02:00:00.000 When you talk about trying to find your equal, you found him.

02:00:04.000 That last knockout he had looked like a jab.

02:00:07.000 Moving away.

02:00:10.000 Bink! 0.99

02:00:11.000 And the dude's stiff.

02:00:12.000 Stiff as a bore.

02:00:13.000 Yeah.

02:00:14.000 He's got that gift of God.

02:00:15.000 It's like when he knocked out Luis Ortiz, like whoo.

02:00:19.000 Stiff touch.

02:00:20.000 Just right to the forehead.

02:00:21.000 Blop! 1.00

02:00:22.000 Blop! 1.00

02:00:22.000 And you see Ortiz on the ground going, what the fuck? 1.00

02:00:26.000 He hits guys and it's like they've never been hit like that before. 1.00

02:00:29.000 You can see the look in their eyes.

02:00:31.000 Only Tyson Fury rises from the dead.

02:00:35.000 Like the Undertaker.

02:00:36.000 Just sits up.

02:00:39.000 And then won the rest of the round.

02:00:40.000 Won the rest of the fight.

02:00:41.000 Yeah, crazy. 0.92

02:00:43.000 Crazy.

02:00:43.000 And then, you know, the rematch and then the third fight, the third fight, he got hurt real bad, you know, and Deontay clipped him perfect with the right hand.

02:00:52.000 You see the fat ripple through his whole body when he got hit, it's like boom!

02:00:57.000 In slow-mo, you see it ripple all the way down to his love handles from the impact.

02:01:01.000 That's the kind of power Deontay has. 0.78

02:01:03.000 Yeah, Deontay is nasty, bro.

02:01:06.000 Greatest one-punch knockout artist in the history of the heavyweight division, I think.

02:01:10.000 I don't think there's anybody that has greater one-punch knockout power because you're talking about a guy whose entire career was knockout wins.

02:01:16.000 Knockouts. 0.73

02:01:17.000 Only Stiverne made it to the decision and then he fucked him up in the rematch. 0.99

02:01:21.000 Rematch, bro, yeah. 0.99

02:01:23.000 Bad.

02:01:24.000 The way he blocked like this was just not what I would recommend for somebody punching like Deontay.

02:01:34.000 You're just holding still and lining up a frame for him to just bop.

02:01:38.000 Yeah, you're still getting jostled by those shots.

02:01:41.000 Even if your hands are up like this, if he's hitting full blast on that hand, it's still rattling your skull.

02:01:46.000 That was one of the things that you did with Glover.

02:01:49.000 When Glover blocked that head kick, it didn't matter.

02:01:51.000 It didn't matter because it's still blasting through.

02:01:54.000 But that was the setup.

02:01:55.000 That was how I wanted it.

02:01:56.000 That's why I moved the way that I did.

02:01:59.000 You know, as I was moving him, moving, moving him, and then...

02:02:03.000 I'd pop a jab or I'd just look low.

02:02:07.000 I was getting that little look low and bang, just put the leg up, you know, look low.

02:02:13.000 Is that something you've been incorporating more into your game, the head kicks?

02:02:17.000 The head kick, the leg, the left leg kick, head kick, body kick was the first weapon I had walking in.

02:02:26.000 That was the one thing I knew I could beat them.

02:02:28.000 If you go back and you watch my...

02:02:30.000 My first amateur fight is on YouTube.

02:02:33.000 I knocked him out with a head kick.

02:02:34.000 Really?

02:02:35.000 Yeah, knocked him out with a head kick.

02:02:36.000 Four months into training?

02:02:37.000 That was six weeks.

02:02:40.000 Six weeks into training?

02:02:42.000 Yeah, about six to eight weeks.

02:02:44.000 Wow.

02:02:45.000 Yeah, I knocked him out, bro. 0.55

02:02:46.000 I hit him.

02:02:48.000 He kind of stumbled.

02:02:50.000 I hit him again, and then, bang, right off of that, boop, left. 1.00

02:02:54.000 That kick came up.

02:02:55.000 So that's always been one of your big weapons.

02:02:57.000 That's always been one of my, yeah.

02:02:59.000 Yeah.

02:03:00.000 It's a giant weapon to have.

02:03:02.000 Guys who don't throw head kicks, it's like, man, you're missing out on just an enormous part of the game.

02:03:07.000 Most of the dudes who don't throw up, they can't quite get their leg up there.

02:03:11.000 Which is crazy.

02:03:12.000 Like, hey, man, maybe you should work on that.

02:03:14.000 Yeah.

02:03:15.000 I mean, if you're in a business where people are kicking you in the head and you can't kick them in the head, that seems kind of crazy.

02:03:21.000 I mean, when a world championship fight is won that way, like Leon Edwards and Kamaru Usman, or like Jon Jones versus DC... There's something about a head kick, man.

02:03:30.000 I mean, that is the great equalizer.

02:03:33.000 Yeah.

02:03:33.000 Because you got to deal with it the right way.

02:03:35.000 You can't just put it like that way.

02:03:37.000 Now, as far as timing, yeah, he got his arm with it, but there was no way for you to block a flush, clean head kick with one arm.

02:03:44.000 No.

02:03:45.000 No.

02:03:45.000 Even two arms are still getting rattled.

02:03:47.000 Yeah.

02:03:48.000 Yeah.

02:03:48.000 Especially your kick.

02:03:49.000 That was like, you were setting it up beautiful.

02:03:53.000 It's a technique.

02:03:54.000 Turn it over right when it needs to be turned.

02:03:56.000 And you landed it multiple times, too.

02:03:58.000 It's like he didn't make an adjustment.

02:03:59.000 You kept landing that shot.

02:04:00.000 He made an adjustment.

02:04:02.000 He did.

02:04:02.000 He made an adjustment.

02:04:04.000 The thing was, he adjusts, I adjust it.

02:04:08.000 And then I eventually worked my way back to it.

02:04:11.000 And he wasn't ready for it.

02:04:13.000 You know, you can be like, alright, yeah, he caught me with a head kick, I'm not gonna let him hit me with a head kick. 0.82

02:04:17.000 Alright, now he's punching you. 0.93

02:04:18.000 Now he's throwing straights down the middle and he's hitting you in the face. 0.69

02:04:21.000 Now he's throwing straights and he's hitting you to the body. 0.95

02:04:24.000 Now he's chopping your legs. 0.98

02:04:25.000 Now he's kicking you in the body. 0.99

02:04:27.000 Now he's fainting.

02:04:28.000 You know what I mean?

02:04:29.000 He's fainting and he's catching you with combinations.

02:04:32.000 Now all of a sudden, now you land a shot.

02:04:35.000 Alright, now I gotta try to press forward.

02:04:37.000 Alright, step, step, side, head kick. 0.97

02:04:40.000 Bang! 1.00

02:04:41.000 Now you get hit with the same head kick again. 1.00

02:04:43.000 It's like, damn! 0.99

02:04:44.000 I thought I had adjusted. 0.99

02:04:46.000 Am I gonna be able to...

02:04:47.000 The doubt starts to seep in.

02:04:49.000 Yeah.

02:04:50.000 And I understand that.

02:04:52.000 I understand.

02:04:53.000 I've gone through a lot of things in training, a lot of things over.

02:04:56.000 I've had total amateur, I think, I had like 13 fights.

02:05:00.000 So I have dealt with a lot of different things.

02:05:03.000 So I got the idea of how to process things and how people think whenever they go through it.

02:05:10.000 Like getting hit hard.

02:05:11.000 Which is still why I don't understand how Glober didn't pause at all.

02:05:15.000 Because I've been hit hard.

02:05:17.000 I've been hit hard.

02:05:19.000 It's like...

02:05:20.000 Who hit you the hardest in the UFC? The UFC? Darko Stosig.

02:05:28.000 Yeah?

02:05:29.000 Probably.

02:05:30.000 Yeah.

02:05:32.000 Yeah.

02:05:33.000 What hit you with?

02:05:34.000 His fist.

02:05:39.000 No, he hit me with a... 0.86

02:05:40.000 Hit me with like an overhand.

02:05:43.000 Like an overhand, like...

02:05:44.000 Like a looping hook.

02:05:47.000 Like a bow.

02:05:48.000 Like one of those.

02:05:50.000 Yeah.

02:05:51.000 Probably.

02:05:52.000 Yeah.

02:05:56.000 He hit me the most, probably.

02:06:00.000 Santos?

02:06:01.000 Santos hits hard.

02:06:03.000 He hits hard, but the only punch that really, like, it didn't hurt, but it did damage.

02:06:10.000 Like, the one that swole my eye out.

02:06:12.000 You know, but...

02:06:16.000 He hits hard.

02:06:17.000 I'm pretty sure he hits hard if he lands flush on you.

02:06:19.000 The only thing is he don't put himself in position to stick you.

02:06:23.000 So whenever he's hitting, if you notice, like whenever I was going through him, he was landing those, you can roll them all.

02:06:29.000 You can roll his shots off. 0.97

02:06:32.000 And I think that's why Glover survived against him, because he was fucking Glover up. 0.98

02:06:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:06:37.000 No, he was a dangerous dude. 0.99

02:06:38.000 To this day, he gave Jon Jones some serious fucking trouble. 0.99

02:06:42.000 And Jon destroyed his legs. 0.99

02:06:45.000 He needed double knee surgery after the fight.

02:06:48.000 Both of his knees were destroyed.

02:06:49.000 I seen him in a wheelchair.

02:06:51.000 Yeah, crazy.

02:06:52.000 John just destroyed his knees.

02:06:54.000 A sidekick to the knees.

02:06:55.000 You know what I mean?

02:06:56.000 John is so good at that.

02:06:57.000 One of his knees, they messed up.

02:07:00.000 He tried to kick John and John slid back and made a miss and he hyperextended his leg.

02:07:06.000 Yeah.

02:07:07.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:07:07.000 Yeah, he fucked up both knees in one fight and really was never the same again. 0.97

02:07:12.000 I think he wins. 0.99

02:07:13.000 I think he wins in PFL. You think so?

02:07:15.000 I think he wins.

02:07:16.000 Is that where he's going now?

02:07:17.000 That's where he went.

02:07:18.000 He did go there.

02:07:19.000 He went to the PFL. PFL's interesting.

02:07:21.000 It's interesting to have more options.

02:07:23.000 I wonder how much longer they can keep putting out that cash.

02:07:27.000 I don't know how much money they're making.

02:07:29.000 I haven't seen them in a packed arena.

02:07:31.000 I don't think they have a Pactarina.

02:07:33.000 I don't think they can sell a Pactarina.

02:07:35.000 Maybe they can sell if they get some bigger name fighters.

02:07:38.000 But, you know, Bellator pulls off big places now and they get big numbers on television.

02:07:43.000 They got a million for Fedor, Ryan Bader too.

02:07:45.000 That's a lot.

02:07:46.000 You know, a million people watching you.

02:07:48.000 That's a lot.

02:07:49.000 And so it's good.

02:07:50.000 It's good for everybody.

02:07:51.000 The more there's real competition...

02:07:53.000 How do you watch Bellator fights?

02:07:56.000 You can watch it on CBS. You can watch it on Showtime.

02:07:59.000 Really?

02:08:00.000 Yeah, I have it on my DirecTV.

02:08:02.000 DirecTV looks for it whenever it comes up and it records it for me.

02:08:05.000 But yeah, I'm not as big a Bellator fan as maybe I should be, but I'm aware of...

02:08:11.000 There's guys over there that are real talented.

02:08:13.000 Yeah.

02:08:13.000 Like Johnny Elbin, that middleweight dude.

02:08:15.000 Yeah, that's my...

02:08:15.000 Come on, dog.

02:08:16.000 Shout out Johnny.

02:08:17.000 He's legit. 0.99

02:08:18.000 He's fucking legit. 0.98

02:08:19.000 I met Johnny. 0.99

02:08:20.000 We went down to Florida for my boy Sabah's birthday.

02:08:25.000 I met Johnny down there.

02:08:27.000 He's a cool dude.

02:08:28.000 Yeah, he's a cool dude and he's focused.

02:08:30.000 He's focused and driven.

02:08:32.000 He's one of those guys that I got my eye on.

02:08:34.000 I'm like, that guy, he could be a champion in any organization.

02:08:38.000 He's got that kind of quality to him.

02:08:40.000 And a real good wrestler.

02:08:42.000 Yeah.

02:08:43.000 Real good wrestler. 0.99

02:08:44.000 And fucking striking is nasty too, man. 1.00

02:08:46.000 When he beat Gegard Mousasi, I think that opened up a lot of people's eyes because Gegard is a fucking assassin. 1.00

02:08:52.000 Gegard is a smooth criminal. 0.99

02:08:55.000 That dude is good.

02:08:56.000 And when he beat Gegard, I was like, wow.

02:08:58.000 And he beat Gegard on the feet, too.

02:09:01.000 That was a big fight for Johnny.

02:09:03.000 And I look at him like that, because Gegard, after Gegard had beat Chris Weidman and Gegard left and went over to Bellator, I was like, wow, I guess we're not going to see him in the UFC anymore.

02:09:16.000 That sucks, because I think Gegard...

02:09:18.000 I would have loved to see Gegard versus Anderson, or rather, Gegard versus Israel. 0.94

02:09:23.000 I would have loved to see him versus Robert Whittaker.

02:09:26.000 I would have loved to see him.

02:09:27.000 You know, he's...

02:09:27.000 It's a lot of fun matchups.

02:09:29.000 Yeah.

02:09:30.000 And he was right at that level where I'm thinking he might be the best in the world.

02:09:35.000 He was, like, right there.

02:09:36.000 And then he went over and won the Bellator title and eventually lost to Elbin.

02:09:41.000 You know, there's it's good to have these other organizations though.

02:09:45.000 I really do I think that's it's great for the fighters.

02:09:48.000 It's great for the fighters to have Financial options.

02:09:52.000 Yeah, I mean I don't like I said, I don't know where Francis is going what I'm genuinely hopeful I really hope Francis goes get some big money boxing match get successful then we figure out who wins versus John Jones and Cyril gone and then they offer him what he's worth and And then have him come back.

02:10:10.000 And maybe they do another world title fight with Francis coming back.

02:10:17.000 I think the market and the landscape can change a little bit with Jake Paul signing with the PFL. Very interesting.

02:10:26.000 Because it brings eyes, it brings attention, which brings money.

02:10:29.000 Yeah.

02:10:29.000 He might be the only guy that can really waken up people to the PFL. Because he's so popular in mainstream.

02:10:38.000 What if Francis comes, too?

02:10:39.000 Oh, yeah.

02:10:42.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:10:43.000 But who's he going to fight?

02:10:45.000 Who do they have over there to fight?

02:10:46.000 I'm like, Francis versus Jon Jones is the biggest fight you can make.

02:10:51.000 Especially if Jon Jones can beat Cyril Gaon.

02:10:55.000 If Jon Jones beats Cirogon, that is the biggest heavyweight fight that's ever existed.

02:10:59.000 Who's on the way out the door in the UFC? Yeah, that's the thing.

02:11:03.000 Who is on the way out the door?

02:11:04.000 Who's on their way out?

02:11:05.000 This guy's on the way up, like Sergei Pavlovich. 1.00

02:11:08.000 That dude's a bad motherfucker. 0.99

02:11:10.000 I was shocked by what he did to Ty. 1.00

02:11:12.000 Woo! 0.99

02:11:13.000 I was shocked, bro.

02:11:14.000 Crazy, right?

02:11:15.000 I was like, man, what?

02:11:17.000 I know.

02:11:18.000 Patient.

02:11:19.000 Calculating.

02:11:19.000 And so accurate.

02:11:20.000 Accurate.

02:11:20.000 So good.

02:11:21.000 Yeah, bro. 1.00

02:11:22.000 Yeah, he's legit as fuck. 1.00

02:11:24.000 He's good. 1.00

02:11:24.000 And kind of flying under the radar with mainstream people. 1.00

02:11:27.000 I can't bet against him anymore because I bet against him the last couple fights.

02:11:30.000 Not bet.

02:11:32.000 He's not betting.

02:11:33.000 Gambling's illegal for fights.

02:11:34.000 It's illegal.

02:11:35.000 Yes.

02:11:36.000 We believe in following rules here.

02:11:39.000 We follow all the rules.

02:11:40.000 Well, you could bet back then.

02:11:42.000 Right?

02:11:43.000 The gambling thing is a recently illegal thing. 1.00

02:11:46.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:11:48.000 Anytime I done picked against him, I was wrong. 1.00

02:11:52.000 I was wrong.

02:11:54.000 It's hard to tell until he starts beating really good people.

02:11:58.000 He doesn't look like he moves.

02:12:00.000 He's actually pretty quick.

02:12:01.000 Yeah.

02:12:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:03.000 For heavyweight.

02:12:06.000 Yeah, I think this is a fight.

02:12:07.000 I think I had Alistair in this fight.

02:12:09.000 Oh yeah, this is the Alistair fight.

02:12:10.000 Ends up piecing him up.

02:12:12.000 It was a good fight.

02:12:13.000 And this was a fight where no one knew who Pavlovich was.

02:12:17.000 And Alistair took him down.

02:12:19.000 Wrestling Alistair.

02:12:20.000 Alistair hammer-fisted him.

02:12:22.000 Look at this. 0.99

02:12:23.000 Alistair had him in fucking serious trouble here. 0.98

02:12:25.000 Look at this. 0.99

02:12:26.000 That's it.

02:12:27.000 So Alistair stopped him.

02:12:29.000 And then that was a lot of people's understanding of who he is. 0.99

02:12:33.000 And then he goes from that and then starts going on a fucking tear. 0.99

02:12:38.000 Wrestling Alistair. 1.00

02:12:39.000 When Alistair started wrestling people, that was a bad Well, Alistair was a dangerous motherfucker, man. 0.99

02:12:45.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97

02:12:46.000 But whenever he started wrestling, though, like, grappling, like, actually taking dudes down, putting them on their backs, and laying off that, that was...

02:12:54.000 Look, the guy has one of the most incredible careers in combat sports.

02:12:58.000 He fought in pride.

02:13:00.000 He fought in dream.

02:13:01.000 He was the dream heavyweight champion.

02:13:02.000 He won the K-1 Grand Prix.

02:13:04.000 He won the Strikeforce title.

02:13:06.000 Comes over to the UFC and, you know, becomes one of the best heavyweights in the world in the UFC, too.

02:13:12.000 And now he's back at glory kickboxing.

02:13:14.000 He just beat Badr Hari in a kickboxing fight.

02:13:16.000 It's like... 0.97

02:13:17.000 I mean, Alistair's been doing the damn thing for 20-plus years at a world-class level. 0.99

02:13:23.000 It's pretty impressive. 0.98

02:13:25.000 Yeah.

02:13:26.000 It's like heavyweight Glover.

02:13:27.000 Yeah.

02:13:28.000 In a lot of ways, yeah.

02:13:30.000 But he's just not as old.

02:13:32.000 He just got his start very young.

02:13:34.000 Remember when Alistair would first start fighting?

02:13:36.000 He was so skinny.

02:13:37.000 Yeah.

02:13:38.000 It was so skinny.

02:13:39.000 This is Twig.

02:13:40.000 But he was ripped, though. 1.00

02:13:42.000 He's always been ripped as shit, though. 1.00

02:13:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:13:45.000 But he was fighting at 205. Chuck Liddell knocked him out at 205. And he was beating Chuck up.

02:13:51.000 And Chuck caught him against the ropes.

02:13:54.000 But again, at heavyweight, for me, Ngannou versus the winner of Jones and Cyril Gann.

02:13:59.000 That's the biggest fight you can make.

02:14:00.000 And that's what I really hope.

02:14:02.000 I hope Francis goes and gets some big money boxing match.

02:14:06.000 And God forbid, if he wins, we'll probably never see him again.

02:14:08.000 Nah, probably not.

02:14:09.000 If he wins, he'd just probably be raking in the cash.

02:14:12.000 Next thing you see, Francis is covered in diamonds and jewelry.

02:14:16.000 Halfway naked on the back of Sports Illustrated.

02:14:20.000 Yeah.

02:14:21.000 Look, he could do it.

02:14:23.000 The guy's main skill is his striking.

02:14:26.000 So if he wants to box, I mean, you're dealing with a guy who's 265 pounds natural.

02:14:32.000 Oh.

02:14:32.000 And he has to cut a little bit of weight to make the 265 pound weight limit in the UFC. There's no weight limit in boxing, so he doesn't have to cut anything.

02:14:40.000 Francis had to cut to make weight?

02:14:42.000 Sometimes Francis was over 265. I wouldn't say cut.

02:14:48.000 I would say watch his food.

02:14:50.000 But I talked to Eric Nixick at one point in time.

02:14:53.000 He was over 290. Damn. 0.99

02:14:57.000 That's a big fella. 1.00

02:14:59.000 That's a lot of horsepower behind those punches. 0.96

02:15:01.000 Woo! 0.99

02:15:02.000 Boom, boom! 0.98

02:15:03.000 Bang! 1.00

02:15:03.000 Man, bro. 1.00

02:15:05.000 Him back some Tyson Fury, bro, is a bad idea.

02:15:09.000 I think personally it's a bad idea.

02:15:11.000 It's a good idea if you want a lot of zeros in your bank account.

02:15:14.000 Right, right, right.

02:15:15.000 But like...

02:15:16.000 But to be humiliated.

02:15:18.000 Yes.

02:15:19.000 Yeah.

02:15:19.000 The Hunter Brand.

02:15:20.000 Yeah.

02:15:21.000 Because...

02:15:21.000 He said he could have weighed 307 here.

02:15:24.000 Oh, my God.

02:15:26.000 Was that after his knee surgery?

02:15:28.000 August.

02:15:28.000 It might have been after his knee surgery, yeah.

02:15:30.000 So it's probably, you know...

02:15:32.000 I mean, I'd rather fight that, for instance, than in shape, ready, and no point, for instance.

02:15:36.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:15:38.000 But no, Tyson's a big dude.

02:15:40.000 He's big.

02:15:41.000 He's giving up the size.

02:15:43.000 6'9".

02:15:44.000 And not only that, he knows how to box.

02:15:46.000 He knows the science behind the punks.

02:15:48.000 He knows the science behind the counters.

02:15:50.000 He knows the science behind the setups.

02:15:52.000 That's...

02:15:53.000 That's not something you're coming into his world.

02:15:56.000 That's not something to play with, bro.

02:15:58.000 And he's going to keep you on the end of that stick for as long as he can, and he's going to box you up, and he's going to clinch you whenever he can.

02:16:04.000 As I was about to say, as soon as you try to wind up big or you try to land big, he's just going to tie you up.

02:16:09.000 Yeah.

02:16:10.000 And there is no, oh, we'll fight to get Luton.

02:16:13.000 There is none of that.

02:16:13.000 It's just a restart.

02:16:15.000 And then with Francis, the other thing is, like, if he fights someone who's a lesser-named opponent and loses that fight, that's terrible.

02:16:24.000 So it's almost like he's got to jump right into the deep end of the pool.

02:16:28.000 But I think right now Tyson Fury is concentrating on the Usyk fight.

02:16:33.000 And that seems like it's going to happen.

02:16:35.000 So if Tyson Fury fights Usyk, you know, that kind of like leaves Francis in limbo.

02:16:40.000 And that's why I think they're talking about Deontay Wilder.

02:16:44.000 See if that is real.

02:16:46.000 Wilder said it in an interview.

02:16:48.000 He said he wants to do a one-on-one.

02:16:51.000 And I don't think Ngan has responded to that yet.

02:16:53.000 Okay.

02:16:54.000 So he's just putting it out there.

02:16:56.000 I know there was some talk.

02:16:57.000 I think there was some talk of Dillian White too.

02:17:01.000 There's some talk of some other top flight heavyweights.

02:17:03.000 But that's the problem. 0.99

02:17:04.000 Those guys are fucking good, man. 0.98

02:17:07.000 If Francis get exposed in one of those fights and can't box with those guys, then all that big money goes away. 0.99

02:17:14.000 Because the big money is Francis is the destroyer.

02:17:17.000 He shows his highlight reel, the Alistair knockout.

02:17:19.000 He didn't want to do the boxing thing.

02:17:23.000 Look, I get it from their perspective.

02:17:26.000 I don't know if that was the major sticking point.

02:17:28.000 I'm not privy to the negotiations, but in my mind, that's the best heavyweight in the world.

02:17:34.000 When the guy beats Cyril Ghosn handily with one knee, and then you see Cyril Ghosn fighting in his next fight for the title, I want to see the Cyril Ghosn fight.

02:17:42.000 Look, Cyril Ghosn versus Tai Duyvasa was amazing.

02:17:45.000 Cyril Ghosn is a heavyweight.

02:17:46.000 He moves different than any other heavyweight.

02:17:48.000 Anybody.

02:17:49.000 Light on his feet.

02:17:50.000 He throws that weird front kick off that front leg.

02:17:53.000 It's like a stepping...

02:17:54.000 Man, yeah.

02:17:55.000 It's nasty, too.

02:17:57.000 That's from his lead leg.

02:17:58.000 Yep.

02:17:59.000 So it's like...

02:17:59.000 He's standing sideways.

02:18:01.000 He's stabbing you with it, too.

02:18:02.000 And he twists with it when he throws it.

02:18:04.000 Like, he's standing totally sideways.

02:18:06.000 He's standing this way, and he's bouncing around, and he, like, twists and stabs you with that front leg.

02:18:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:18:13.000 You and your kidney! 0.55

02:18:16.000 Yeah, he stabs dudes and his movement and his agility at heavyweight is different than everybody else's.

02:18:23.000 He moves like a middleweight or a lightweight, I mean, like a light heavyweight.

02:18:28.000 He's much lighter on his feet than someone who's, you know, in the heavyweight division, mostly.

02:18:34.000 It's different.

02:18:35.000 He's a problem.

02:18:36.000 He's a problem. 0.91

02:18:36.000 He's a big dude. 0.91

02:18:38.000 Yeah.

02:18:38.000 He's a big dude.

02:18:39.000 So the fact that John won't be able to just bully him.

02:18:45.000 He won't be able to big boy him.

02:18:46.000 Yeah.

02:18:47.000 And I'm interested to see that.

02:18:49.000 And John has no problem chopping at John's legs.

02:18:53.000 Yeah.

02:18:53.000 I think for a good portion, maybe even in the early part, we might see a leg kicking match.

02:19:00.000 Could be.

02:19:01.000 I don't know if Jon wants a kick to kick with that guy, though.

02:19:03.000 Nah, but that might be all he can get to for, you know what I mean?

02:19:06.000 Well, Francis took him down repeatedly.

02:19:10.000 That's where I go, hmm.

02:19:12.000 Because if Jon Jones can wrestle you, like, Jon wrestles on another level.

02:19:16.000 See, and there's a difference, and this is the difference where people made between Santos and the Glover with me, right?

02:19:23.000 Is Jon Jones as strong as Francis Ngannou?

02:19:27.000 No.

02:19:28.000 You gotta factor that in, bro.

02:19:30.000 You gotta factor that in, because Glover wasn't as strong as Thiago Santos.

02:19:35.000 Now, technically, skill for skill, I'd give the grappling to Glover, right? 0.97

02:19:41.000 But Santos was strong as shit, so it took a different type of resistance and defense. 0.96

02:19:51.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:19:52.000 To fight him off from his takedowns.

02:19:55.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:19:55.000 I had to actually strain and be strong with him.

02:19:59.000 Which took some energy.

02:20:02.000 Took some things out of me that I wasn't expecting.

02:20:04.000 Because I was expecting us to come out and bang.

02:20:10.000 Glover was making technical moves, so it's all right, this step to the next step to the next step type deal.

02:20:16.000 That's not going to strain you two too much.

02:20:19.000 It can, especially if you get behind.

02:20:23.000 But that's different, though.

02:20:26.000 Those are two different styles of grappling.

02:20:28.000 So that really don't work.

02:20:30.000 Like, oh, he was able to do this, so he's going to be able to...

02:20:34.000 I don't...

02:20:35.000 Jones isn't as strong as Francis.

02:20:38.000 No.

02:20:38.000 So a lot of those positions that he was getting, where he was getting Cyril gone down, he was just...

02:20:42.000 He just bullied him.

02:20:43.000 Just tossed him. 0.97

02:20:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:20:45.000 I don't think John Jones can do that.

02:20:47.000 Also, you gotta think that Cyril gone going into that fight with Francis probably didn't expect grappling.

02:20:53.000 Cyril Ghan probably thought this was going to be a stand-up fight.

02:20:56.000 I believe it.

02:20:56.000 I did.

02:20:57.000 I expected Francis to grapple a little more.

02:20:59.000 Did you?

02:20:59.000 I did.

02:21:00.000 Just because Cyril Ghan moves too much.

02:21:03.000 He moves too much.

02:21:04.000 How is she going to get a hold of him and try to slow the fight down to your pace? 1.00

02:21:07.000 You got to grab him.

02:21:09.000 Yeah.

02:21:11.000 That's true.

02:21:12.000 That's one way of looking at it.

02:21:13.000 But Francis said that during the sparring exchanges that they had when they were training together in the gym, he hurt Cyril. 0.92

02:21:21.000 Training isn't the same thing because, you know, you're not trying to be a dick to your partner.

02:21:24.000 You're not trying to hurt your partner.

02:21:25.000 You're just trying to get looks and things like that.

02:21:28.000 So, like, training is not the same thing.

02:21:30.000 Well, luckily now, you know, it's interesting where we're at now because fighters are so much more scientific in the way they train.

02:21:37.000 But if you go back to the early days of MMA... Ah, yeah, that's how they did it.

02:21:40.000 Dudes just fought.

02:21:41.000 They just fought in the gym.

02:21:42.000 They knocked each other out all the time.

02:21:44.000 That's why Sean Strickland... 0.99

02:21:45.000 Yeah, well, Sean Strickland, that guy fucking spars hard. 0.99

02:21:48.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:21:49.000 He keeps asking me if I want to get some work in.

02:21:54.000 I think we wanted to get some in.

02:21:56.000 Yeah.

02:21:57.000 He's an interesting cat.

02:21:59.000 He's peculiar.

02:22:00.000 Yeah, he's definitely peculiar.

02:22:02.000 His style's so different, too.

02:22:04.000 I like the way he fights.

02:22:06.000 I like watching fights.

02:22:06.000 He's funny as hell.

02:22:07.000 Yeah, he's funny.

02:22:08.000 I hate his boots.

02:22:09.000 His boots? 1.00

02:22:10.000 His fucking boots are terrible. 1.00

02:22:11.000 What kind of boots is he wearing? 1.00

02:22:12.000 I don't know.

02:22:12.000 They look terrible.

02:22:16.000 I've never seen his boots.

02:22:17.000 Throw your boots away, Sean.

02:22:19.000 What's wrong with his boots?

02:22:20.000 What are they like?

02:22:21.000 Oh, bro, they just look like...

02:22:23.000 Those things?

02:22:24.000 Yeah, bro.

02:22:25.000 They gotta go, bro.

02:22:27.000 Why is he wearing those boots in his fighter picture?

02:22:29.000 That's so weird.

02:22:30.000 And it's Vegas, bro.

02:22:31.000 It's Vegas, bro. 1.00

02:22:32.000 It's hot as shit. 0.99

02:22:33.000 Why do you have boots? 0.99

02:22:35.000 Yeah.

02:22:36.000 For no reason should you live in Vegas and own a pair of boots.

02:22:39.000 Yeah, are you working on a construction site?

02:22:42.000 Why you have boots on like that?

02:22:44.000 Are you hiking?

02:22:46.000 He's misappropriating construction workers.

02:22:52.000 Yeah, his big victory over Imamov.

02:22:55.000 That was a big fight.

02:22:56.000 Big fight.

02:22:57.000 And gutted it out.

02:22:59.000 Short term, didn't have a lot of time to prepare for that fight.

02:23:03.000 That was the one after New Year's, right?

02:23:05.000 Was that before?

02:23:06.000 It was before.

02:23:07.000 It was the last fight of the year, yeah.

02:23:09.000 I mean, no.

02:23:10.000 He even headlined the last one of last year and the first one of this year.

02:23:15.000 Yeah.

02:23:16.000 So that was the beginning.

02:23:17.000 That was January.

02:23:18.000 That's right.

02:23:19.000 You're right.

02:23:19.000 That was the beginning.

02:23:21.000 But he had just fought like two weeks before that.

02:23:24.000 And you let me fight a little heavier.

02:23:27.000 I would agree most people could probably do that.

02:23:29.000 That's true too, right?

02:23:30.000 Most professional fighters, most top level fighters, two weeks after you fought, you're not that bad off of shape. 0.98

02:23:38.000 Even if you've been eating like shit, you're still sitting pretty good. 0.84

02:23:41.000 Who was even involved supposed to fight? 0.99

02:23:43.000 Kelvin Gaslam?

02:23:45.000 Yes.

02:23:46.000 And that's a way different fight, too, right?

02:23:48.000 Yes.

02:23:48.000 Because Calvin's shorter.

02:23:49.000 Yes.

02:23:49.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:50.000 He leans a little forward.

02:23:51.000 He's a little bit more boxy.

02:23:52.000 He comes to you.

02:23:52.000 He comes to you a little more, whereas Sean fights really long and, like, kind of awkward and gives you different, like, angles.

02:23:59.000 Calvin's one of those dudes.

02:24:00.000 I had a conversation with Calvin once.

02:24:02.000 I was like, Calvin, you could be a world champion at 170. You just got to get your shit together. 0.99

02:24:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:24:07.000 You just got to lose that weight because, like, he's such a tank.

02:24:10.000 Yeah.

02:24:10.000 And at 170, he would be lean and ripped and has all these advantages.

02:24:16.000 Same size.

02:24:18.000 That's the only thing about 185. Those dudes are too tall.

02:24:21.000 They're just too big.

02:24:22.000 They're too big for him to...

02:24:24.000 When you see Pajera, he's so big.

02:24:28.000 And Kelvin's my size.

02:24:30.000 It doesn't make sense that he's fighting at 185 pounds.

02:24:33.000 When you see who, I don't see nobody, Joe.

02:24:35.000 Oh, you don't see him?

02:24:36.000 I don't see him, Joe.

02:24:37.000 When you guys are staring at each other after the fight, that was a weird moment, right?

02:24:40.000 We weren't even staring at each other, literally.

02:24:42.000 I walked up.

02:24:43.000 Govan went over to shake my team's hand.

02:24:45.000 I walked up to shake his hand.

02:24:47.000 The whole thing of him getting mad about, the whole, what are you going to say about knocking?

02:24:53.000 What about knocking me out? 1.00

02:24:54.000 Dude, I said that shit months ago. 1.00

02:24:56.000 And yeah, I said it. 1.00

02:24:57.000 I said this shit. 1.00

02:24:58.000 I believe this shit. 1.00

02:24:59.000 You come up to 205. You sign a contract to fight me. 1.00

02:25:03.000 I plan on knocking you the fuck out. 1.00

02:25:06.000 Period. 1.00

02:25:07.000 You know?

02:25:09.000 He's like, well, maybe Hill should be the backup for me and me and Izzy fighting and all that.

02:25:13.000 Like, bro, if you want to fight me, like, for real, for real, Come up.

02:25:18.000 Go ahead.

02:25:19.000 Go ahead.

02:25:19.000 Vacate your belt.

02:25:20.000 Do whatever you want to do.

02:25:22.000 And make it happen, bro.

02:25:24.000 Make it happen.

02:25:26.000 I'm not ducking nobody, bro.

02:25:28.000 I'm here for all the smoke. 0.96

02:25:30.000 I want to fight everybody. 0.83

02:25:31.000 I want those fights.

02:25:32.000 You know, I don't think he gets past Izzy this time.

02:25:35.000 You know what I mean?

02:25:36.000 I think Izzy wins this one. 0.96

02:25:37.000 Really?

02:25:38.000 Bro, he was winning.

02:25:39.000 He was winning in pretty good fashion.

02:25:42.000 He was winning, and he had him hurt real bad at the end of that first round.

02:25:46.000 Real bad.

02:25:47.000 If that fight, if you got 30 seconds more in that fight, he might not make it out of that first round.

02:25:52.000 Ten.

02:25:52.000 If he throws that hook that he was going to throw, and that land, the fight's over.

02:25:58.000 Yeah.

02:26:00.000 Interesting rematch.

02:26:01.000 Interesting.

02:26:01.000 That's April, right?

02:26:02.000 That's Miami.

02:26:04.000 That's gonna be wild.

02:26:06.000 If I got any, like, my only thing I would do differently, then I'm definitely 100% not telling them how to fight or anything like that.

02:26:14.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:26:17.000 Don't focus so much on the kicks. 1.00

02:26:18.000 Just box his ass. 1.00

02:26:20.000 Alex can't box. 1.00

02:26:22.000 He can't box. 1.00

02:26:24.000 Box his ass. 1.00

02:26:26.000 And you knock him out easy. 1.00

02:26:27.000 You think so?

02:26:28.000 Yeah.

02:26:29.000 Really?

02:26:30.000 Interesting.

02:26:32.000 The problem is Alex is kicking. 1.00

02:26:34.000 He's always jumping with those fucking legs. 1.00

02:26:36.000 People thought I could only box for all this time. 1.00

02:26:40.000 So I'm going to be honest.

02:26:42.000 If you stay on the right angle and you press that boxing range enough, kicking don't help you.

02:26:48.000 That's going on one leg.

02:26:49.000 If I'm in range to put these hands on you and you go up on one leg, you just did me a favor.

02:26:55.000 Yeah.

02:26:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:26:57.000 I'm saying a little too much, but I can say this, and I'm still going to whoop his ass if it ever happens. 1.00

02:27:03.000 So, if they fight again, and Alex—even if Alex loses, if he loses, maybe that's a good reason for him to go up to light heavyweight. 0.96

02:27:11.000 But also, if it's a close fight, he's going to want a rubber match.

02:27:16.000 He's going to want a rubber match.

02:27:18.000 I mean, he beat Izzy for the title in the fifth round, stopped him in the fifth round.

02:27:22.000 But do you do that, though, if he didn't defend the belt?

02:27:24.000 Like, what's up with all this, like— That'd be like if I fought my next fight and then it was a close fight and I lost, do I get a rematch?

02:27:33.000 Just because the fight was close?

02:27:36.000 Whatever happened to earning the rematch, establishing the reign, I think most champs that get instant rematches was because it's like, alright, this dude's the best in the world, maybe he just had an off night.

02:27:50.000 Well, I think it's because we want to see it again.

02:27:53.000 Because it was so close, we want to see, like, me as a person who loves watching, like, really skillful guys go at it, I want to see who makes the adjustments and who doesn't.

02:28:02.000 Like Max Holloway and Volkanovski, it's a perfect example.

02:28:05.000 The first fight were real close, Volkanovski comes on and wins the second fight, also pretty close.

02:28:09.000 The third fight, no.

02:28:11.000 But he fought Zombie in between them.

02:28:14.000 Yes, true, true.

02:28:15.000 Good point.

02:28:15.000 You know, so it's like, so somebody else got, they got a shot.

02:28:18.000 Yeah.

02:28:19.000 You know, you got a little taste of a different flavor, if you will.

02:28:26.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:28:27.000 Well, shit. 0.99

02:28:28.000 Well, the fact that Izzy has completely wiped out the entire weight class might... 1.00

02:28:34.000 Oh, man. 1.00

02:28:35.000 Shit. 1.00

02:28:35.000 It might happen. 1.00

02:28:36.000 It might happen.

02:28:37.000 Think of it like that.

02:28:38.000 It does make sense.

02:28:39.000 It makes sense.

02:28:39.000 Well, Robert Whitaker...

02:28:41.000 Robert Whitaker in that last fight with Izzy, that was very close.

02:28:44.000 Very close.

02:28:45.000 And that's a great example of a guy who got destroyed in the first fight and made all the adjustments.

02:28:49.000 Made great adjustments. 1.00

02:28:51.000 Beat Cannoneer, who's fucking dangerous as shit. 1.00

02:28:53.000 Dangerous as shit. 1.00

02:28:54.000 And then went on and gave Izzy a really fucking tough fight. 1.00

02:28:58.000 That was a really tough fight. 0.98

02:28:59.000 I liked that fight a lot.

02:29:00.000 I think Whitaker is a dangerous fight for Pajeda, too.

02:29:04.000 I think he is, too.

02:29:05.000 I think Whitaker is actually a more dangerous fight.

02:29:10.000 One, because Rob actually does box a little more.

02:29:14.000 And two, the angles.

02:29:15.000 The angles of the movement and the mixing, the way he mixes in the grab.

02:29:20.000 He almost fights like a karate style.

02:29:21.000 Light on his feet.

02:29:22.000 Yeah, it's almost like a bobbing in and out.

02:29:26.000 The minute it faints and the minute you buy something, he sell you.

02:29:30.000 He sell you.

02:29:30.000 He get you what you pay for.

02:29:32.000 He get you what you pay for.

02:29:33.000 And he blitzes you.

02:29:34.000 And I think he's in a different level now.

02:29:36.000 But he blitzes you at an angle.

02:29:37.000 He blitzes you off at an angle, so it's pretty...

02:29:39.000 This is not taking anything away from Izzy, but I feel like Robert was in a funk then.

02:29:43.000 I feel like he wasn't fighting to the best of his abilities, and he just fought right into Izzy's hands in that fight.

02:29:49.000 And also, that's Izzy putting it on. 0.99

02:29:50.000 I think Izzy's presence kind of stunts and shocks people.

02:29:57.000 Izzy may look on TV, he may look skinny, but in person, Izzy's a pretty big dude. 0.99

02:30:02.000 He's tall, and he hits hard, and he's accurate as fuck. 0.98

02:30:06.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

02:30:07.000 He's solid.

02:30:07.000 People like skinny.

02:30:09.000 Skinny don't mean shit if it's just straight, dense muscle. 0.99

02:30:11.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

02:30:14.000 He's got some size to him.

02:30:16.000 So he does have some, like, oh, okay.

02:30:19.000 Because Rob is like, what, 6'1"?

02:30:22.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:24.000 It's just my size.

02:30:25.000 Yeah.

02:30:26.000 He's a big, tall dude.

02:30:28.000 You know, I thought it was interesting when he fought Jan Bohovic, he decided to not even gain any weight.

02:30:33.000 Just decided to fight.

02:30:34.000 He weighed like one night before.

02:30:35.000 I think that was a mistake.

02:30:37.000 I think that was a big, that was a mistake.

02:30:39.000 But honestly, Jan started catching his timing with some of the stand-up, too.

02:30:45.000 I think it was like a jab, a quick little pop-in jab.

02:30:50.000 He started laying in that to disrupt his timing and disrupt whenever Izzy was coming forward.

02:30:55.000 So he had some success with that.

02:31:00.000 Yeah, man.

02:31:03.000 Izzy...

02:31:05.000 Definitely should have gained some weight for that fight, because then at the end, whenever you started to get tired, and now the main thing that you had was speed, because I believe Izzy was landing the hook. 1.00

02:31:16.000 Lead, hook, lead, lead, left hook. 0.53

02:31:17.000 Was it lead, left hook, or switch, right hook?

02:31:19.000 One of those sides, he was landing that on Blachowicz, and he was landing it pretty solid.

02:31:25.000 Then, I just went to the rest one.

02:31:27.000 And when Brohovich took him down, you see the size.

02:31:29.000 Yeah.

02:31:30.000 He was so much bigger.

02:31:31.000 Yeah.

02:31:31.000 But you see the size difference with Pajera, too.

02:31:34.000 Pajera's way bigger.

02:31:36.000 He's skinny, though.

02:31:37.000 He's thinner.

02:31:38.000 He's pretty muscular.

02:31:40.000 He's muscular, but he's taller, but he's like...

02:31:43.000 He's thinner.

02:31:44.000 For 185, yeah, he's like that.

02:31:47.000 But you put him at 205, he's not like that.

02:31:51.000 I think he's damn near the same height as Johnny Walker.

02:31:53.000 Is he built like Johnny Walker?

02:31:54.000 No.

02:31:56.000 Even when he's out of camp and he's like, oh, he walks around 220, he still looks relatively thin.

02:32:02.000 In comparison to Johnny Walker.

02:32:04.000 Johnny Walker's a real outlier in that light heavyweight division. 0.95

02:32:07.000 Shit, he's still thin as opposed to anybody else in the 205 division. 0.97

02:32:13.000 Pejeres. 0.99

02:32:14.000 Yeah.

02:32:15.000 Interesting if he does that, if he gains more weight.

02:32:18.000 What does he decide to do?

02:32:20.000 I mean, I don't know.

02:32:21.000 He was talking about fighting Hamzat. 0.57

02:32:24.000 Remember he said, I'll fight you at light heavyweight.

02:32:26.000 Because Hamzat was like, let's fight in Brazil. 1.00

02:32:29.000 But he's like, I can't make the weight on short notice like that.

02:32:31.000 Which is interesting.

02:32:32.000 How much time does he need to make that weight?

02:32:35.000 He's cutting a lot of weight.

02:32:37.000 How much time has it been on average in between his fights?

02:32:40.000 He's had some time.

02:32:42.000 But, I mean, you know, I don't know, like, how big he got after the Izzy fight.

02:32:47.000 He might have just, like, ate like a pig and just realized, like, hey, it's going to take me a few weeks just to get this weight off.

02:32:53.000 I'm not sure, you know?

02:32:55.000 But it's a fascinating rematch.

02:32:58.000 And, you know, Izzy's just so intelligent and he's so clever.

02:33:02.000 And that he doesn't, I mean, he's not taking this fight unless he thinks he can beat him again.

02:33:07.000 And he's going to try to figure out some way.

02:33:10.000 I think he does.

02:33:11.000 Um...

02:33:13.000 Honestly, I think Izzy kind of like a little bit more of a Vulk approach.

02:33:20.000 Just, alright, I'm going to be faster.

02:33:22.000 Let you open up first and then make you pay for whatever you do.

02:33:25.000 And then just kind of shut down anything that he wants to do.

02:33:28.000 Like from the beginning and play it from that type of way.

02:33:31.000 Wow, mix it in.

02:33:32.000 Maybe like the threat of a takedown.

02:33:34.000 The threat of a tie-up and things like that.

02:33:37.000 That's different.

02:33:38.000 Yeah.

02:33:39.000 Well, he definitely won the grappling exchanges.

02:33:42.000 Yeah.

02:33:42.000 And he had him in bad trouble when he had his back and he was beating him up.

02:33:45.000 And, you know, that was unexpected.

02:33:47.000 Interesting to see Izzy become a grappler, too. 1.00

02:33:51.000 You know?

02:33:52.000 That's another thing.

02:33:53.000 Like, everybody thinks, like, oh, Pieta is, uh, Pieta will be, like, bro, he can't grapple with me.

02:34:01.000 He can't.

02:34:04.000 Anybody thinks that I can't wrestle...

02:34:07.000 Remember when y'all thought I couldn't grapple or couldn't get up from bottom?

02:34:10.000 Like, it's like, bro.

02:34:13.000 I'm excited, bro.

02:34:15.000 I'm really excited.

02:34:15.000 There's so many good fights for you, man.

02:34:17.000 Yeah, I'm excited.

02:34:19.000 Was this camp preparing for the title?

02:34:21.000 I know that you had brought in a nutritionist to work with you.

02:34:25.000 Is that the first time you had done that?

02:34:26.000 Yeah.

02:34:27.000 Yeah?

02:34:27.000 What was that like?

02:34:28.000 It was great, bro.

02:34:29.000 It was a game changer.

02:34:31.000 Yeah?

02:34:33.000 He's a nutritionist and a personal chef.

02:34:35.000 What's his name?

02:34:36.000 Ian Larios.

02:34:40.000 I'll be forgetting how to pronounce his last name.

02:34:42.000 Jamie will find it.

02:34:44.000 Larios.

02:34:45.000 I think it's Larios.

02:34:46.000 Ian Larios.

02:34:50.000 He comes in.

02:34:51.000 He stayed at my house.

02:34:53.000 He cooks all my food.

02:34:55.000 He makes everything for me.

02:34:56.000 I don't have to.

02:34:57.000 All I got to do is just eat what he tells me.

02:35:00.000 He puts it in front of me.

02:35:01.000 Like, yo, eat this.

02:35:02.000 And it's good food.

02:35:03.000 It's legitimate.

02:35:04.000 I got pictures and stuff of it.

02:35:07.000 Larios.

02:35:08.000 Ian Larios.

02:35:09.000 Chef to the world's top fighters.

02:35:11.000 And so, like, what was different in the way he was having you eat versus the way you were eating previously?

02:35:20.000 I wasn't eating enough, you know?

02:35:23.000 In order to eat at a calorie deficit for me, to me, you just ate less.

02:35:28.000 You ate the right things, and then I just ate.

02:35:30.000 I knew how to portion my things, you know?

02:35:32.000 So, like, certain things that I ate, I knew what to eat, and I knew how to get my weight to where I wanted to.

02:35:37.000 And that's what I was doing. 0.93

02:35:38.000 And granted, throughout the camp, I felt weak as shit, you know, just because I wasn't giving myself enough carbs, enough energy. 0.91

02:35:44.000 Sometimes for certain weeks, I'd just do a keto diet and I wouldn't even eat carbs. 0.98

02:35:48.000 You know, he came in and was like, no, you need carbs.

02:35:52.000 This is what you're going to do.

02:35:53.000 And I never felt weak once during the camp.

02:35:56.000 I felt tired.

02:35:58.000 I felt beat up a little bit, you know, a little wear and tear from doing two-a-days for a whole week.

02:36:04.000 But I never felt drained.

02:36:06.000 I never felt weak.

02:36:08.000 And that was a game changer.

02:36:11.000 And what was the difference in terms of the types of foods that he was having you eat?

02:36:15.000 You said he added carbs, but what were you eating?

02:36:18.000 I was eating everything.

02:36:20.000 I was eating steak.

02:36:21.000 I think he made chicken wings once.

02:36:24.000 He made like some...

02:36:25.000 He just made like...

02:36:28.000 He made a bunch of different things.

02:36:32.000 He made a Peruvian dish, homemade tater tots, just different things.

02:36:37.000 But the way he makes them and the sauces he puts on them, it's almost like you're eating at a restaurant.

02:36:42.000 It's almost like you're eating at a five-star restaurant every meal.

02:36:45.000 There it is.

02:36:46.000 Look at that.

02:36:46.000 Yeah.

02:36:47.000 He puts a little drizzle on the plate and everything.

02:36:49.000 Oh yeah, bro.

02:36:50.000 And that's how he played it.

02:36:51.000 That's how he was plating it to me like every time.

02:36:54.000 So it's exciting.

02:36:55.000 So you're looking forward to it?

02:36:57.000 Oh yeah.

02:36:58.000 Oh yeah.

02:36:58.000 If I could've got him to come and stay with me now, he'd still be with me.

02:37:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:37:02.000 Like, I'd rather eat the food.

02:37:05.000 Like, it's like that.

02:37:06.000 It's just like, but it's all good.

02:37:09.000 It's like some of the best food I've ever eaten.

02:37:12.000 You know, and I was full.

02:37:14.000 You know, I ate chicken. 0.99

02:37:16.000 I ate, it was just dick. 0.95

02:37:18.000 So he's taking into consideration the amount of calories that you're burning, the amount of calories you're going to get from each individual meal. 0.96

02:37:26.000 Sodium.

02:37:27.000 Yeah.

02:37:28.000 Everything.

02:37:29.000 And he makes everything from scratch.

02:37:31.000 So he gets everything fresh.

02:37:33.000 Everything is organic.

02:37:34.000 He makes all the sauces himself.

02:37:36.000 He makes all the...

02:37:38.000 Everything.

02:37:39.000 So you think you'll be using him for future camps too?

02:37:41.000 I'll never do a camp without him.

02:37:43.000 Wow.

02:37:43.000 I'll never do another camp without him.

02:37:45.000 That's interesting.

02:37:46.000 Yeah.

02:37:46.000 What a big change.

02:37:47.000 Yeah, and I'm going to bring him out even earlier in the next camp.

02:37:50.000 Wow.

02:37:50.000 How many weeks was he with you for this one?

02:37:52.000 He was with me just under four weeks.

02:37:54.000 So, when you think about different things that you have added over the years, what about strength and conditioning?

02:38:03.000 Like, how much do you do that, and how much of it, like, fight-specific training?

02:38:08.000 Honestly, this last camp, I didn't do any strength and conditioning, really.

02:38:12.000 Really?

02:38:13.000 Outside of maybe doing the skier and then doing the bike just to warm up for my first few rounds and get a sweat going.

02:38:22.000 I do a lot of fight-specific things.

02:38:24.000 I do a lot of rolling, a lot of drilling, a lot of sparring.

02:38:29.000 Really?

02:38:29.000 Yeah.

02:38:30.000 No strength and conditioning?

02:38:31.000 I didn't know any strength and conditioning. 0.99

02:38:33.000 You had great fucking cardio. 0.99

02:38:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:38:35.000 Crazy.

02:38:36.000 Well, I still work.

02:38:37.000 I mean, my strength and conditioning was me going hard rounds, fresh body.

02:38:42.000 So, like, one of the things we'll do is this, right?

02:38:45.000 So, my job was to defend takedowns and be able to defend a relentless takedown attack.

02:38:51.000 So, what we'll do, we'll do minute round, minute intervals.

02:38:56.000 So, my, uh...

02:38:59.000 My grappling coach and training partner, Justin Andrews, he'll come in.

02:39:06.000 He'll start in.

02:39:07.000 We'll start in on a single leg.

02:39:10.000 I have to defend a single leg.

02:39:11.000 Defend the takedown.

02:39:12.000 Defend the takedown.

02:39:13.000 He's going to go as hard as he can for a minute.

02:39:15.000 Once that minute is up, we've got a fresh body coming in. 0.80

02:39:17.000 Once that man's up, fresh body coming in.

02:39:19.000 Fresh body.

02:39:19.000 So I'll have about five or six dudes lined up, and we just fresh body every minute.

02:39:25.000 You know?

02:39:26.000 So that's how we do it.

02:39:27.000 We go like that, and we'll do that for maybe like an hour.

02:39:31.000 And then I go over to striking, and I go and I'll strike for like an hour.

02:39:37.000 In the same session?

02:39:38.000 Mm-hmm.

02:39:39.000 Really?

02:39:39.000 Yeah, then I'll leave, go home, recover, or go to PT or whatever, get my recovery in, eat, probably catch a nap for a second, I go back and I do it again.

02:39:50.000 Same thing?

02:39:51.000 Same thing.

02:39:53.000 Work my grappling, not the exact same thing, but working grappling, working different parts of grappling, drilling, things like that, fresh body, And then rolling, sparring, fresh body, even sparring.

02:40:05.000 So even when I'm sparring, well, we'll go.

02:40:07.000 We'll go.

02:40:09.000 Depending on how many guys I got, you know, you go a minute, you go like a minute and a half, then fresh body.

02:40:14.000 Minute, minute and a half, fresh body.

02:40:16.000 Minute, minute and a half, fresh body.

02:40:17.000 So it's always somebody else fresh, so they can always be on point.

02:40:20.000 Then I just, you know.

02:40:24.000 I gotta adjust.

02:40:26.000 It's interesting the different approaches when it comes to like how much time should you be spending on doing strength and conditioning work versus fight specific work and some people like yourself that just get all their conditioning done through fight specific work because that's what George St. Pierre turned to later in his career.

02:40:43.000 Like George, early on in his career, he was doing a lot of strength and conditioning training, and then somewhere along the line he realized that efficiency was most important, and that you get that from training.

02:40:53.000 And you get that fight-specific cardio from doing the grappling rounds, doing the sparring rounds, doing the rounds in the bag.

02:41:01.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:41:03.000 Yeah, it's like, even like, and then everything, like, I always put myself at a disadvantage.

02:41:09.000 So, like, we'll get through that.

02:41:11.000 We'll get through that session.

02:41:12.000 Now the next session is, I gotta start from the bottom.

02:41:15.000 And sometimes it'll be sitting back up against the wall.

02:41:19.000 And they got your legs. 0.92

02:41:21.000 You gotta go from there.

02:41:23.000 I already got your legs completely pinned, so now I have to get up from there.

02:41:26.000 And then the next minute, another fresh guy is coming to get on my legs to restart me in the same way.

02:41:33.000 That's how we do it.

02:41:34.000 We work all positions, work all facets of where we want to be proficient at.

02:41:41.000 Do it to you.

02:41:42.000 So you gotta be able to do it when y'all both full strength, the full guy come in.

02:41:46.000 And when you get tired and he's still got more and more in you, he's fresh, you know, you still gotta be able to do it.

02:41:53.000 Now what about in between camps?

02:41:55.000 Do you do any, like, weightlifting, kettlebells, any yoga, anything in between camps to just, like, sort of strengthen areas and, you know, prevent injuries or anything along those lines?

02:42:07.000 I haven't been.

02:42:08.000 That's something that we are going to I had a strength and conditioning coach actually for the Jimmy Crew and the Johnny Walker fight.

02:42:16.000 It just kind of got away from me because the last year I've really been dealing with a lot of injuries.

02:42:22.000 My body's been beat up more the last year than it's ever been.

02:42:25.000 What kind of injuries? 1.00

02:42:26.000 Man, shit. 1.00

02:42:28.000 All type of things, bro. 1.00

02:42:30.000 Elbows, shoulders, knees, ankles.

02:42:35.000 I really like this.

02:42:37.000 Tiago Santos' fight, too.

02:42:38.000 I didn't really do any strength and condition.

02:42:40.000 I did pretty much no strength and condition.

02:42:43.000 And then minimal, even really hard smart.

02:42:48.000 Hard anything for the Santos fight just because I was so beat up.

02:42:53.000 My body was so beat up that I just had to make sure I could get to the fight and feel good and just feel healthy in the fight.

02:43:00.000 So that was the main focus for that one.

02:43:04.000 And it showed a little bit.

02:43:05.000 You know, I did get it.

02:43:06.000 I got a little tired in the fight, you know, and things like that.

02:43:09.000 But, you know, I still had enough, had what I needed to finish the fight late in the fourth round.

02:43:13.000 So that just let me...

02:43:16.000 That was also a thing that just let me know, like, all right, bro, you got it.

02:43:19.000 So just make sure you put in the work, put in, and then you really got it.

02:43:23.000 Yeah, even under less than ideal circumstances.

02:43:26.000 You know, with injuries and dealing with stuff, you could still win against a top guy.

02:43:29.000 Yeah.

02:43:30.000 Yeah.

02:43:31.000 That was the whole laying back, I belong...

02:43:35.000 So that was a big moment for you?

02:43:37.000 Yeah.

02:43:40.000 I don't complain and I don't make excuses or nothing like that.

02:43:44.000 Most of the stuff I deal with, I just don't say anything.

02:43:48.000 I just deal with it because I really, truly got the mentality of feeling, who cares?

02:43:53.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:43:54.000 You need that.

02:43:55.000 Yeah.

02:43:56.000 That's a giant advantage.

02:43:57.000 Because guys who fret over every little thing that's going wrong and it starts spiraling, they go in a downward spiral in their head, like, oh, I'm injured.

02:44:05.000 I wish I was not injured.

02:44:07.000 If you can just deal and just get to the fight, that's a giant advantage.

02:44:12.000 Yeah, man.

02:44:13.000 That was the main thing I do.

02:44:18.000 It's just...

02:44:21.000 What are you doing for recovery?

02:44:23.000 Do you get massages?

02:44:24.000 Do you do cold plunge?

02:44:25.000 Do you do saunas?

02:44:26.000 Yeah, I get massages.

02:44:29.000 This last time with Glover, I felt good.

02:44:32.000 Everything went good.

02:44:33.000 I have a teammate.

02:44:35.000 She's gone to school.

02:44:37.000 She's a licensed massage therapist. 1.00

02:44:42.000 Health massage, sports massage and things like that.

02:44:44.000 So she came in in the mornings and she was massaging me before her training. 1.00

02:44:50.000 And then after that I'd leave her and I'd go to physical therapy.

02:44:53.000 I'd be there for a few hours and then ice baths.

02:44:58.000 What do you go to physical therapy for?

02:45:00.000 What do you go to physical therapy for?

02:45:03.000 Injuries.

02:45:03.000 Just a little weird stuff.

02:45:05.000 All the shit you're dealing with. 0.99

02:45:07.000 So you're just dealing with it while you're in the middle of camp. 1.00

02:45:09.000 Which is less than ideal.

02:45:11.000 Yeah.

02:45:13.000 Yeah.

02:45:14.000 And you're doing cold plunges and saunas?

02:45:16.000 I do the cold plunge whenever I go out to Vegas.

02:45:19.000 That's it?

02:45:22.000 We have a, what is it, the cryo?

02:45:25.000 Yeah, cryotherapy.

02:45:26.000 Those are great.

02:45:27.000 I go to the cryo there.

02:45:29.000 I do ice bath here and there. 0.99

02:45:31.000 Like, honestly, for the most part, bro, it's a fucking winter in Michigan. 0.99

02:45:34.000 All you got to do is just go outside, man. 0.99

02:45:35.000 That's true.

02:45:37.000 Get in your pool.

02:45:37.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:45:39.000 Put a bucket of water outside and just go sit in that.

02:45:41.000 You ain't got to put a bucket of water out there.

02:45:42.000 Just go step out there.

02:45:44.000 Yeah.

02:45:44.000 Just go step out there.

02:45:45.000 Right, in your underwear.

02:45:46.000 Man, you could be fully dressed.

02:45:49.000 Go ahead, just step out there.

02:45:51.000 You're going to knock some inflammation out.

02:45:52.000 That's true, right?

02:45:53.000 For real.

02:45:55.000 That's true.

02:45:56.000 You could stand still in 30 minutes outside with 30 degrees out in your underwear.

02:46:02.000 Just stand still.

02:46:03.000 You'd knock it all out.

02:46:05.000 Man, listen.

02:46:06.000 This dude's in Michigan.

02:46:07.000 I mean, I live in Grand Rapids, bro.

02:46:09.000 So you could be literally a blizzard.

02:46:11.000 You walk and just see a dude walking out in a t-shirt and some shorts.

02:46:14.000 They're so used to it.

02:46:16.000 Yeah, over here.

02:46:17.000 That's too used to it, fam.

02:46:19.000 That's too used.

02:46:20.000 Over here, dude, they had a rain. 0.99

02:46:22.000 It was like 33 degrees and it shut the whole fucking city down. 0.98

02:46:26.000 It was like, what do we do? 0.99

02:46:28.000 It's 33 degrees freezing rain!

02:46:32.000 Freezing rain is very, very dangerous out.

02:46:34.000 It's hilarious.

02:46:35.000 I was like, dude, I grew up in Boston. 0.99

02:46:38.000 This ain't shit. 0.99

02:46:40.000 This is normal. 0.99

02:46:41.000 You go to work.

02:46:42.000 You ever came outside and not be able to find your car?

02:46:44.000 It's covered in snow.

02:46:46.000 You don't know which one's your car.

02:46:47.000 You have to go to the side panel.

02:46:50.000 Nope, this one's blue.

02:46:51.000 This one's white.

02:46:52.000 Nope, where's my red car?

02:46:55.000 Alright, this one's red.

02:46:56.000 You gotta go to the back.

02:46:58.000 A Toyota!

02:47:00.000 A Toyota!

02:47:02.000 And then you gotta scrape the windshield.

02:47:04.000 There's a lot.

02:47:05.000 It's terrible, man.

02:47:07.000 Shoveling yourself.

02:47:08.000 But it makes resilient people.

02:47:09.000 People that grow up in cold climates, they are much more resilient people. 0.98

02:47:14.000 People that live in California, they don't know shit about weather. 0.90

02:47:16.000 You gotta endure, man. 0.99

02:47:18.000 It's about endurance, man.

02:47:19.000 You gotta be able to endure.

02:47:21.000 Then we moved close enough to the school to wear it.

02:47:24.000 It was a walk, but wasn't no bus coming to get you.

02:47:28.000 Oh.

02:47:30.000 How many blocks?

02:47:31.000 You ever woke up late?

02:47:32.000 You ever woke up late for school and it's snowing outside?

02:47:36.000 Bro.

02:47:38.000 Yeah, you gotta hurry up, rush, and before you even get out, you walk outside.

02:47:43.000 They gotta try to turn against the wind.

02:47:46.000 Trying to turn, trying to hide from the wind.

02:47:48.000 People in warm weather, they don't know about that wind.

02:47:51.000 Those Hawaii people, they have no idea about that wind. 0.87

02:47:53.000 They don't?

02:47:54.000 Rain.

02:47:56.000 Rain. 1.00

02:47:57.000 Yes, rain, motherfucker. 1.00

02:47:58.000 You can just walk your ass out and get wet a little bit. 1.00

02:48:01.000 Fuck, Ray, what about three feet of snow in front of your door where you can't open your door to get outside? 1.00

02:48:06.000 I had to, um... 1.00

02:48:10.000 I think I posted it on my TikTok video.

02:48:13.000 It snowed.

02:48:14.000 It snowed, bro.

02:48:16.000 I opened my garage.

02:48:17.000 Dude, it's like three feet of snow there.

02:48:19.000 So now I just got to get out there.

02:48:21.000 It's like, hell no.

02:48:23.000 Hell no.

02:48:25.000 It's a serious workout snow shovel.

02:48:27.000 It was.

02:48:28.000 It was. 1.00

02:48:28.000 Shit was heavy. 1.00

02:48:29.000 Especially when it gets wet. 1.00

02:48:31.000 That wet snow.

02:48:32.000 Ugh.

02:48:33.000 It gets sticky.

02:48:34.000 That's why you got to get out and get it while it's coming down.

02:48:36.000 So it don't stick.

02:48:38.000 Yeah.

02:48:38.000 Because once it sticks...

02:48:41.000 Now you out there for your cold plunge. 1.00

02:48:44.000 Just fucking lay down that snow. 0.99

02:48:46.000 That'll reduce the shit out of some inflammation. 0.99

02:48:48.000 That'll reduce the shit out of some inflammation. 0.82

02:48:49.000 The only thing is, though, even when you go inside, it still don't stop.

02:48:52.000 And it hurts a little bit.

02:48:54.000 Yeah, it does.

02:48:56.000 Do you take supplements?

02:48:58.000 Are you taking vitamins and minerals?

02:49:00.000 Here's you.

02:49:02.000 That's mysterious.

02:49:03.000 That's work, too, though.

02:49:04.000 That's a good workout.

02:49:05.000 I was on my way to training.

02:49:07.000 I was on my way to the gym to go do a two-hour grappling and striking workout.

02:49:15.000 Hard work.

02:49:17.000 I really firmly believe it makes better people. 1.00

02:49:20.000 I think people that grow up in cold climates, they just can deal with more shit. 0.99

02:49:24.000 They're just used to it. 1.00

02:49:26.000 Yeah, man.

02:49:30.000 I ain't gonna say that.

02:49:31.000 What are you gonna say?

02:49:32.000 One day you're gonna get out of there? 1.00

02:49:34.000 When you got a lot of money, man, when you start stacking up some big victories and you go, why the fuck am I freezing my dick off? 0.99

02:49:39.000 Why am I cold? 0.99

02:49:41.000 Why am I cold?

02:49:42.000 Like, I've been gone.

02:49:44.000 I think I left.

02:49:45.000 I've been gone for like I've been home for like a week now.

02:49:49.000 I've been home for like a week.

02:49:51.000 It's too cold, bro.

02:49:52.000 It's too cold.

02:49:53.000 I've been in Vegas.

02:49:54.000 I've been in AZ. I'm here.

02:49:56.000 So nice.

02:49:57.000 Hanging around a little bit here for a little while longer.

02:49:59.000 Birds are chirping.

02:50:00.000 Sunny weather.

02:50:02.000 I heard a bird.

02:50:04.000 I heard a bird.

02:50:05.000 It was outside my home.

02:50:06.000 It was like, beep, beep.

02:50:07.000 I was like, what is that?

02:50:08.000 I was like, is that an alarm clock?

02:50:10.000 I got to check in my phone.

02:50:12.000 I was like, oh, oh, it's a bird.

02:50:15.000 Real bird.

02:50:16.000 That's nice.

02:50:17.000 Yeah.

02:50:18.000 Go outside.

02:50:19.000 Go outside already for the...

02:50:21.000 And it's warm.

02:50:22.000 I wore a t-shirt when I got here, Joe.

02:50:25.000 Yeah.

02:50:26.000 I wore a t-shirt out the airport when I got here.

02:50:28.000 Yeah, it was like 70 degrees out.

02:50:30.000 It's beautiful.

02:50:31.000 Do you think that you have an advantage, though, in suffering and being in cold weather like that?

02:50:39.000 I think it makes me a little...

02:50:40.000 I'm more used to dealing with adversity, yeah.

02:50:43.000 Yeah.

02:50:43.000 100%.

02:50:44.000 Especially in a physical context, because, you know, you got to think.

02:50:47.000 I played football, so, you know, you play football a lot in that.

02:50:51.000 Mm-hmm.

02:50:51.000 In the cold.

02:50:52.000 Yeah.

02:50:53.000 Yeah.

02:50:53.000 You know, that's different.

02:50:55.000 Yeah, when you watch a football game, it's just like a blizzard out.

02:50:58.000 Like, well, that is a wild sport.

02:51:00.000 It makes me mad now, though.

02:51:02.000 Like, you just can't...

02:51:03.000 I wouldn't.

02:51:05.000 I just...

02:51:06.000 I get really judgmental, Joe.

02:51:08.000 I get real judged.

02:51:10.000 Then when they don't have any sleeves on, you think you're better than the rest of us?

02:51:14.000 You think you're better?

02:51:15.000 Oh, you got thicker skin.

02:51:17.000 Okay.

02:51:18.000 Okay.

02:51:18.000 I wonder how they do that.

02:51:20.000 Like, dude, it's like literally coming out blizzard.

02:51:22.000 They stand out there...

02:51:24.000 Looked like they smoked 12 packs of cigarettes.

02:51:26.000 No sleeves.

02:51:27.000 No sleeves.

02:51:28.000 Yeah.

02:51:29.000 No sleeves.

02:51:30.000 Yeah.

02:51:31.000 Like, come on, bro.

02:51:32.000 This is Wisconsin people.

02:51:33.000 What do you have to prove?

02:51:34.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:51:35.000 What do you have to prove?

02:51:36.000 No shirts.

02:51:38.000 Hand warmers.

02:51:39.000 Hand warmers.

02:51:41.000 Gloves.

02:51:41.000 Why don't they have shirts on?

02:51:43.000 Like, what is the purpose of that? 0.97

02:51:44.000 I don't know how fucking badass they are. 0.98

02:51:45.000 Just to let everybody know how jacked they are? 0.99

02:51:47.000 They're ready to go.

02:51:48.000 Ready to go.

02:51:49.000 I'm not going to lie, your muscles do look worse.

02:51:51.000 You ever notice that whenever you get out of a cryo chamber?

02:51:53.000 They're jacked.

02:51:54.000 Yeah, bro.

02:51:55.000 If you actually feel, your muscles feel harder.

02:51:57.000 Yeah, but your whole body's like... 0.98

02:52:01.000 You look like Killmonger and shit with all the bumps on your body. 0.99

02:52:05.000 Are you taking... 1.00

02:52:07.000 Do you take supplements?

02:52:07.000 Do you take vitamins on top of all that?

02:52:09.000 Yeah, I take some vitamins.

02:52:10.000 Do you have someone who monitors that for you and sets your schedule and what to take and when to take it?

02:52:17.000 I kind of do it myself, but while Ian was there, he kind of stays on that.

02:52:21.000 What kind of stuff are you taking?

02:52:23.000 Like multivitamins?

02:52:24.000 Multivitamins, fish oil, krill oil, turmeric.

02:52:29.000 got some aminos yeah pretty much have you ever thought about doing a camp at the performance Institute I have. 1.00

02:52:45.000 I have.

02:52:46.000 Because they have so many resources that are available.

02:52:48.000 It's a beautiful thing to have that thing for the UFC where the UFC PI has this amazing setup with all these experts and great nutrition and all these equipment and great great facilities to train at.

02:53:01.000 I went in and got the test, where they test out your body, how far your neck turns, how far you can bend this way, can you touch your toes, can your toes touch you, just all those things.

02:53:14.000 So I've gotten those, and then at the end of that, they give you an assessment like, hey, your body has this here, you can lift here, do this exercise.

02:53:24.000 I know how helpful and how deep they get down into everything.

02:53:28.000 Yeah, it's about as scientific as you can get.

02:53:30.000 The fact that it's available to all fighters, that they can just train there anytime they want, that's giant.

02:53:35.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:53:36.000 I think that's huge.

02:53:37.000 So you've thought about it?

02:53:38.000 I've thought about it.

02:53:39.000 It's just being out there.

02:53:41.000 I got six kids, but it's like being all the way out there.

02:53:44.000 No, you can't do that.

02:53:46.000 Yeah, that's a bummer, man.

02:53:48.000 I know some guys, they go away and they do these mountain camps.

02:53:52.000 They go to Big Bear or something like that, and they train for months away from their family.

02:53:56.000 I'm like, I know that you don't want a distraction, but how much does that take away from you as a person?

02:54:01.000 Like, how do you feel when you're up there?

02:54:03.000 Like, how much do you miss your family?

02:54:05.000 Yeah, I mean, I think while you're busy, like, you're not really distracted, all right? 0.99

02:54:09.000 But then whenever you stop doing stuff, and then, like, hey, it'll be something small, like somebody else sees their kid, or you see a kid, or you see something like, oh, my kid might like that, or something like that, and he's like, damn. 0.99

02:54:19.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:54:20.000 And you just start missing him.

02:54:22.000 Yeah.

02:54:23.000 Yeah.

02:54:23.000 The life of a fighter.

02:54:25.000 It's not an easy road, my friend, but you're on one of the best paths that you can get. 0.98

02:54:31.000 World motherfucking champion. 0.98

02:54:33.000 Small Hill. 1.00

02:54:34.000 No matter what happens, they can't take that from you.

02:54:36.000 Man, not the town.

02:54:40.000 Not the city.

02:54:42.000 Not the county.

02:54:43.000 Not the state.

02:54:45.000 Not the country.

02:54:46.000 Not the continent.

02:54:49.000 But the world.

02:54:50.000 The whole planet.

02:54:53.000 And if you're the UFC champion, you're the real champion.

02:54:56.000 There's a lot of champions out there.

02:54:57.000 Best in the world.

02:54:58.000 That's the best in the world. 1.00

02:54:59.000 Jamal Hill, you fucking man. 1.00

02:55:01.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:55:02.000 Well, listen, man.

02:55:03.000 Thank you very much for being here.

02:55:04.000 I'm a fan, and I'm really looking forward to seeing your title defenses and seeing you continue to chase excellence.

02:55:11.000 It's beautiful.

02:55:11.000 Thank you.

02:55:11.000 I appreciate you having me, man.

02:55:13.000 My pleasure.

02:55:14.000 Been trying to get in here with you for a minute, Joe.

02:55:17.000 We're here.

02:55:17.000 I thought the first time we was going to be in the same room, I thought it would have been on Fear Factor.

02:55:24.000 Because back when you were a kid, you broke in the hood, you watching Fear Factor, you like...

02:55:31.000 That bug really ain't that bad.

02:55:33.000 I can use $50,000.

02:55:35.000 I can use $50,000.

02:55:37.000 Well, this is even sweeter to do it this way.

02:55:39.000 Oh yeah, definitely.

02:55:40.000 Thank you, sir.

02:55:41.000 Appreciate you, brother.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 08, 2011

JRE MMA Show #136 with Jamahal Hill

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