The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #138 with Cory Sandhagen

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00:00:12.000 Mr. Sam Hagen.

00:00:13.000 How are you?

00:00:14.000 I'm good.

00:00:14.000 How you doing?

00:00:14.000 You're on top of the world right now, dude.

00:00:16.000 I'm a pretty happy guy right now.

00:00:18.000 What a fight that was.

00:00:20.000 What a fight.

00:00:20.000 That was, in my opinion, one of the most technical and one of the finest performances in that division.

00:00:29.000 That 135-pound division to have a guy like you and Marlon go after it like that. 0.98

00:00:34.000 That was a fucking great fight. 0.97

00:00:36.000 Thank you. 0.99

00:00:37.000 Really great fight.

00:00:38.000 You're on top of it right now, man.

00:00:40.000 It's really exciting to watch.

00:00:42.000 Yeah, I'm getting pretty good.

00:00:45.000 Yeah, for real.

00:00:46.000 I've really been...

00:00:49.000 Just plugging up some holes, like figuring some stuff out.

00:00:53.000 I feel like I'm at the part in the martial arts journey where I've gotten really good at being a really good learner.

00:00:59.000 Like I can learn super fast and super efficiently now.

00:01:03.000 And it's like big time paying off.

00:01:06.000 Like not only that, but I also, the space I was in before that Cheeto fight was unlike one that I feel like I've ever been in in my life.

00:01:14.000 How so?

00:01:16.000 You know, have you read a decent amount of sports psych books?

00:01:20.000 Yes.

00:01:20.000 Where they'll sometimes talk about how you're almost having this out-of-body experience where you're almost floating above the court or the field or whatever.

00:01:29.000 It was almost like that, except I wouldn't use the word floating above.

00:01:33.000 But I got to a space in that fight where I felt like all of the thoughts and all of the distracting things that sometimes happen in a fight... 0.95

00:01:45.000 We're completely ignored and this like higher being better version like best no thinker just actor was running the show like it's almost like I was watching the thing happen while I was in the fight and there would be bits of me hopping in and being like hey throw this combination hey take a little bit more of a risk hey do this and then that would get completely just watched and this whoever was fighting that night that didn't even feel like me was the person that was fighting it was fucking cool man wow It was

00:02:15.000 cool, dude.

00:02:16.000 It was like, you know, like a psychedelic experience feeling type of thing.

00:02:23.000 It was cool.

00:02:24.000 What do you attribute that to?

00:02:26.000 How did you get to that mindset?

00:02:27.000 It's a lot of, you know, messing stuff up.

00:02:32.000 Like, I remember the last time I was on was right after I had beaten Frankie.

00:02:39.000 It's just a bunch of different parts of the journey.

00:02:42.000 In that part of the journey, I was really in this space where if I could make myself more war, if I could make myself more angry, if I could make myself be up here, I would have success.

00:02:54.000 That kind of stopped working a little bit after Like around the TJ fight and then kind of during the Yon fight and then definitely I tried to be that guy against Song and it was like too much of a distracting feeling where now my mindset's going into the last fight because it was such like a distracting feeling just feeling like I have to get myself to a point of anger or upness before a fight where It just became distracting,

00:03:24.000 where it was helpful before it became distracting in that song fight.

00:03:27.000 I bailed on that, and I just tried to be as mindful and as present as I possibly could.

00:03:35.000 And I know that those are kind of corny words now, but there is some real substance to them when they're really done well.

00:03:43.000 And I would say maybe about six weeks before the fight, I had this moment where I was sitting on the couch because I put a lot of pressure on myself and I want to be a world champ real bad.

00:03:56.000 Where I was to the point where I wasn't enjoying any part of the camp, any part of the experience of fighting or anything.

00:04:07.000 And I was sitting on the couch and I think I was crying a little bit. 0.97

00:04:12.000 And I was like, I can't fucking do this for the next five years of my life. 0.95

00:04:14.000 I can't do this for the rest of my career. 0.97

00:04:17.000 And I was like, well, what's got to change?

00:04:18.000 And I was like, I've got to take this pressure off of me.

00:04:22.000 And I've got to start enjoying every day a lot more than I am right now.

00:04:26.000 And from that six weeks before the fight, I started doing that.

00:04:31.000 And I really think that that carried into the fight and it made me be...

00:04:35.000 A lot less tense a lot less tight and it made me be able to fight with just like a completely free way of being Wow Is this something that you had previously thought that you could get to that space or wanted to get to that space?

00:04:51.000 Or is this something that you kind of experimented along the way and found this path?

00:04:57.000 I'm a self learner and I think that it I think that there's ways of being in life that you just kind of have to be at certain times.

00:05:06.000 When you're a young kid, you have to be going and hitting it hard.

00:05:10.000 You have to remember all of the hundreds of thousands of people on the other half of the world that are trying to accomplish the same goal as you.

00:05:17.000 And you have to be a little bit, in my opinion, you have to be a little bit on the neurotic side of like, am I doing every single thing correct?

00:05:23.000 Am I putting the right amount of pressure on me?

00:05:28.000 That's totally a part of the journey, but I'm kind of more in the part of the journey where I've matured a lot as a fighter.

00:05:34.000 I've matured a lot as a person.

00:05:35.000 I'm getting married this year.

00:05:37.000 I'm a little bit older.

00:05:38.000 We're looking at kids probably in the next couple years.

00:05:41.000 And so I had to start thinking, what's sustainable?

00:05:44.000 What's a sustainable way to continue doing what I love, but also becoming a more mature adult?

00:05:53.000 And that's just part of the journey that I'm in right now.

00:05:56.000 And I don't think that anything was wrong with the way that I was doing before, but...

00:06:01.000 It just is like a moving target all the time.

00:06:04.000 So it's like you're just finding new ways to approach it and then realizing this way is better than the other way.

00:06:11.000 Even though the other way was effective, this is even more effective.

00:06:14.000 So you're constantly trying to tweak it.

00:06:16.000 Yeah, and I think that everything kind of has its purpose.

00:06:22.000 In those times where I was really embracing this war mentality, this very bloodthirsty, vicious type of fighter that I was trying to be when I would go into the cage, that totally had its place because I had to experience what I thought that had to feel like.

00:06:41.000 In order for me to be the best martial artist that I can because I do feel like I've pointed all of my energy in my life and my mind and my spirit and everything towards the direction of being the best martial artist that I can be.

00:06:52.000 And so going through that had its purpose, man.

00:06:55.000 Like I had to figure out what it was like for me to be...

00:07:00.000 Like a vicious killer, you know, because in society that's like not cool, you know, so like almost like The shadow self or whatever is like the subconscious term for it I had to like experience that I experienced it I figured out that it was no longer serving me.

00:07:17.000 It was being distracting.

00:07:18.000 So what do I need to do now now?

00:07:20.000 It's like, okay You figured that part out.

00:07:23.000 You can be that guy whenever you want to be that guy.

00:07:25.000 But now we're being present.

00:07:26.000 Now we're enjoying it.

00:07:27.000 And you don't really need to be that guy until you walk into the cage.

00:07:30.000 And even when you do walk into the cage, you don't need to be this really dramatic, super-emphasized, vicious guy.

00:07:36.000 Be that guy, but you don't have to overdo it.

00:07:39.000 And when you're learning something, I almost feel like you have to completely overdo it in order to learn where that cutoff is.

00:07:45.000 Even in technique, if you could do an armbar, And win every single time with an armbar.

00:07:52.000 Why would you ever stop doing armbars?

00:07:53.000 Right. 1.00

00:07:54.000 It'd be stupid. 0.96

00:07:55.000 So like you figure out how to like do something, way overdo it, figure out where the cutoff is and be like, okay, I can't do it in like those situations. 0.97

00:08:03.000 You pull back, you figure out what situations you need to do it in, and then you move forward.

00:08:08.000 What was this?

00:08:10.000 What happened?

00:08:11.000 I lost.

00:08:12.000 Can you hear me?

00:08:14.000 My headphones cut out.

00:08:17.000 Hold on.

00:08:18.000 Check, check, check, check, check, check.

00:08:20.000 Something happened over here, Jamie.

00:08:22.000 I don't know what's going on, but I lost the headphones.

00:08:25.000 We'll be right back, folks.

00:08:27.000 Sorry about that.

00:08:28.000 No, that's okay.

00:08:29.000 So where were we at? 0.98

00:08:32.000 So what was it about the other way you were approaching it, where, you know, last time you were here, you had just embraced this idea that you went in there with the intention to fuck people up. 0.82

00:08:43.000 What was distracting about that? 0.97

00:08:45.000 It's like a hot burning flame.

00:08:49.000 I feel like I can only hold on to it for so long.

00:08:53.000 I can't really...

00:08:56.000 It's a lot of energy to be that up.

00:08:59.000 When I would be in the back and warmed up, because you don't know exactly when you're going to walk, so I try to be ready 20 minutes before.

00:09:07.000 I spend 30-40 minutes warming up, trying to be that guy, and then for 20 minutes trying to sustain that guy.

00:09:15.000 That's a long time to be that up.

00:09:18.000 Even in this fight, because there's no preparing for that last hour before you go walk.

00:09:24.000 I don't care what type of guy you are or how zen you can be or how confident you are. 0.99

00:09:30.000 That last hour before a fight, your mind's gonna fuck with you a lot. 0.99

00:09:34.000 And it's gonna go to you thinking that you're the god of the universe to you thinking that you're about to go get slaughtered. 1.00

00:09:42.000 In the back, before, if I started to feel like I was, you know, having those, like, impulsive thoughts of, like, fear or you're about to go get slaughtered, I'd try to just cover that shit up real quick by getting, like, real pissed. 0.96

00:09:56.000 And that's, like, a lot of energy to do. 0.78

00:09:58.000 So before the Cheeto fight, I was super proud of the way that I was able to handle those feelings because those feelings are, like, real as hell when you're in the back.

00:10:06.000 How do you handle them?

00:10:08.000 Well, I just watched them, man.

00:10:10.000 Like, I just realized, like, ah, okay, like, I'm having the sense of fear in me.

00:10:17.000 And I would just kind of sit there and be like, okay, well, I'm not really fighting right now, so just let the fear be there.

00:10:23.000 Right now your job is to get warmed up.

00:10:25.000 And so I just took it, okay, right now I'm getting warmed up.

00:10:28.000 Okay, they said ten more minutes till we walk.

00:10:31.000 Okay, I'm having the sense of fear still.

00:10:33.000 That's okay.

00:10:34.000 I'm still in the back.

00:10:36.000 And then step by step by step.

00:10:38.000 Okay, I'm walking out now.

00:10:40.000 Cool.

00:10:41.000 Okay.

00:10:42.000 Looking across from them.

00:10:43.000 Okay.

00:10:44.000 Touch gloves.

00:10:44.000 Now we're fighting.

00:10:45.000 It's literally... 0.83

00:10:46.000 It sounds super fucking simple, but it's just step by step by step, man.

00:10:49.000 Just like... 0.92

00:10:50.000 Okay, I'm having that sense.

00:10:51.000 I'll just watch that and not really...

00:10:53.000 I mean, you acknowledge it, but you don't...

00:10:55.000 I don't try to cover it up or I don't try to like be someone else.

00:10:58.000 I just kind of watch it as if it was just someone else.

00:11:02.000 It happened into someone else and then just move on.

00:11:05.000 It doesn't sound super simple at all.

00:11:07.000 Not to me at least.

00:11:09.000 I know what you're saying and that feeling has got to be like riding a wild wave.

00:11:14.000 Like you just got to maintain your balance and To watch you go into that fight What was so impressive, besides the fact that you're fighting a world-class guy in Marlon Vera, and you were controlling the action, was the overwhelming, like, the amount of information you were throwing at him.

00:11:35.000 You were constantly changing levels, constantly threatening takedowns, constantly switching stances, and everything was, you know, there's, fighters kind of, sometimes they'll fall into a pattern.

00:11:48.000 And you can kind of predict that pattern.

00:11:50.000 There was no pattern with you.

00:11:51.000 It was all over the place.

00:11:52.000 And it was so overwhelming.

00:11:54.000 When I was watching, I was like, Jesus Christ, like this is so high level.

00:11:58.000 And I don't, I mean, for like a casual I don't know if they're seeing that, but for someone who watches a lot of fights and has been around martial arts, you know, my whole life, when I was watching, I was like, this is about as high level as it gets.

00:12:13.000 Thank you. 0.93

00:12:13.000 Like, you were mixing shit up so well. 0.93

00:12:16.000 Like, the way you were choosing your attacks, whether it was the low kick or whether it was punches and the switch stance to punches, the shot, it was amazing, man. 0.99

00:12:27.000 It was really fucking good. 0.99

00:12:28.000 It was really fun to watch because It wasn't just that you were doing that, but you were doing that for five fucking rounds. 0.99

00:12:36.000 Like, you never varied. 0.98

00:12:38.000 You never slowed down.

00:12:40.000 There was never, like, breathers.

00:12:41.000 It was just a full-on assault of all of his reactions and all of his, you know, ability to read you.

00:12:50.000 It was like, attack, bang, hit there, okay, trying to settle, boom, this coming in, and now there's a shot.

00:12:55.000 It was like, there was no breaks.

00:12:58.000 Yeah, it was pretty awesome, man. 0.97

00:13:00.000 It was pretty fucking wild. 0.95

00:13:01.000 Yeah, it was pretty wild. 0.97

00:13:02.000 I think that that's always going to be one of my stronger points is that I can make decisions a lot faster than other people.

00:13:08.000 I honestly think that that's what makes good people from great people because good people can do, they can make the right decisions and continue to make them, continue to make them, continue to make them.

00:13:20.000 But at some point, the person that's better at doing those things is going to surpass that person eventually.

00:13:26.000 It might not happen early.

00:13:28.000 It could take some time.

00:13:30.000 And against some of the best guys in the world, it's going to take some time.

00:13:32.000 But eventually, your processing speed will outpower theirs.

00:13:37.000 And I think that I do that really, really well.

00:13:40.000 I think that...

00:13:42.000 My training has a lot to do with that too.

00:13:44.000 What is different about your training?

00:13:46.000 So all of the conditioning that I do or almost the conditioning parts that I take really seriously are the sparring days.

00:13:55.000 I used to like hit mitts real hard and I still do like a strength and conditioning workout once a week.

00:14:01.000 That's like you know 30 seconds 30 seconds 30 seconds minute rest you know and stuff like that but There's no getting tired like there is getting tired in sparring.

00:14:11.000 So I'll do...

00:14:12.000 I usually do 10-week camps.

00:14:14.000 The first week I just knock the rust off.

00:14:17.000 And then I do two seven-round weeks.

00:14:21.000 So we spar Tuesday, Fridays.

00:14:24.000 I do seven rounds those days.

00:14:26.000 And then the next two weeks I do eight rounds both of those days.

00:14:30.000 And then I'll do like six and then the rest of them five because I want to get used to five. 0.99

00:14:34.000 But in those seven round weeks and those eight round weeks, those are hard as fuck, man. 0.99

00:14:39.000 Like I get... 0.98

00:14:39.000 Like I try to get so tired where I'm just like I can't... 0.98

00:14:43.000 I don't feel like I can make decisions anymore.

00:14:45.000 And I really think that having the concentration to focus for those 40 minutes makes it way easier for me to focus in the 25 minutes.

00:14:56.000 You know, like...

00:14:59.000 I don't really know if that's science or not, but I definitely think that if I can stay focused for 40 minutes, 25 minutes will feel like nothing.

00:15:07.000 So I really push myself there.

00:15:09.000 And is this a strategy or is this a program that you've just developed over trial and error? 0.99

00:15:15.000 Yeah, I make my own shit up, pretty much. 0.99

00:15:17.000 Really? 0.99

00:15:18.000 Pretty much.

00:15:20.000 So, Christian Allen was my coach.

00:15:21.000 He's like the guy with always the crazy haircut, kind of built like me.

00:15:25.000 Christian Allen has always been my coach.

00:15:29.000 And he's an interesting guy.

00:15:32.000 A lot of his philosophies are really traditional martial arts philosophy.

00:15:37.000 He turned me on to a lot of really...

00:15:42.000 Like people like Bruce Lee, of course, like Krishnamurti, just like free thinkers.

00:15:49.000 So he always instilled in me this and tried to empower this ability inside me to think for myself.

00:15:56.000 Because I think that a lot of people don't really do that in the sport, to be honest with you.

00:16:00.000 I think that a lot of them...

00:16:01.000 Get their hand held by their coaches, which is totally one way to do it.

00:16:05.000 And honestly, a lot of people do need that.

00:16:07.000 But I was never taught to be that way.

00:16:09.000 I was taught to be the quarterback of my own game, not like someone that takes orders.

00:16:15.000 He instilled that in me big time.

00:16:16.000 So I kind of tweak things and handle a lot of the way that I do things in camp by myself.

00:16:23.000 I, of course, have people around me that I know love me a lot and care about me enough to tell me What they think I should do and I have and I will listen to them if I if I think that they're right, but a lot of it is like Me just kind of being like a lone wolf in life and in martial arts a little bit and me just figuring stuff out myself So do you think that's because what obviously nobody knows you better than you and You're absorbing all these techniques from all these different people and all these strategies from these different coaches But ultimately

00:16:54.000 it's up to you to execute with your mind and your body and And so you've just decided the best way to do that is to absorb all this information, but even maybe more important, do it yourself.

00:17:08.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:17:09.000 Yeah, what's the Bruce Lee quote?

00:17:11.000 It's like, uh, accept what's useful, discard what's not useful, and then make it your own, or whatever it is.

00:17:20.000 That's like martial arts, you know?

00:17:21.000 That's what Christian taught me from when I first started when I was 17 years old.

00:17:26.000 And, uh, And I think it's the way to do it, man.

00:17:29.000 I really do.

00:17:31.000 When I think about other sports and how they compare, I don't think...

00:17:37.000 At the very highest level, when I watch interviews of Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan or Tom Brady and all of those guys, those guys are interacting with their coaches much differently than a lot of other players and coaches will interact with each other.

00:17:52.000 Where it's not...

00:17:54.000 The coach isn't telling the player what to do.

00:17:56.000 The coach and the player are interacting, I think, when you get to a certain level.

00:18:01.000 And me and my coaches kind of – sometimes we'll get into it.

00:18:04.000 I'll be like, hey, man, I don't think that that's a reliable way to go about doing things because I think building – I use the word reliable a lot when I'm coaching people because you don't want – You don't want tricks.

00:18:17.000 You know, like, tricks are okay.

00:18:18.000 You want things that are reliable.

00:18:20.000 And so that's, like, what I shoot for when I'm trying to, like, learn techniques and learn different things.

00:18:26.000 It's like, is this reliable or is this kind of, like, a tricky thing that, like, will sometimes work?

00:18:31.000 And I always shoot for reliable.

00:18:33.000 So I'll get into it with my coaches sometimes.

00:18:35.000 Like, hey, Banks, like...

00:18:37.000 I don't know if that's that reliable.

00:18:39.000 Can you give me an example of something that's not that reliable?

00:18:41.000 Sure, sure.

00:18:42.000 Let's say like a low single.

00:18:47.000 I think, honestly, it happens a lot more in striking because I think that because people really don't understand the inner workings of how striking works, people want to use tricks.

00:19:02.000 And tricks will work a lot. 0.99

00:19:04.000 Until you get someone that, like, catches on to your shit. 0.99

00:19:08.000 So, like, I think, like, let's say, just for example, in striking, like, any combination, really. 0.98

00:19:13.000 Like, that's kind of more, it's not a trick, but it's a set thing where things have to go really right in order for it to work 100% of the time.

00:19:27.000 And I don't really think that that's the approach that you should take in striking.

00:19:32.000 I think that the approach to striking should be reliable things.

00:19:35.000 It should address space, it should address position, and it should address angles.

00:19:41.000 And those are the three areas of striking and the inner workings of striking that don't really get talked about because a lot of it is taught in a very tricky way because tricks are very digestible for people.

00:19:56.000 Where the inner workings of things are very conceptual and hard to understand.

00:20:00.000 When you say that most people don't understand striking, what do you mean by that?

00:20:08.000 I think that there's things that are happening in striking matches that are, like I said, not very digestible.

00:20:18.000 So like I said, there's space, there's position, and then there's your advantages.

00:20:22.000 Space is like...

00:20:24.000 And I hear people talk about rhythm all the time.

00:20:27.000 Rhythm is just...

00:20:29.000 Closing space, going away from space.

00:20:31.000 Closing space, going away from space.

00:20:32.000 Space is key, because striking happens with your eyes.

00:20:35.000 Striking is like, we're playing this game like, hey, hit my hand, and I'm moving it around.

00:20:40.000 You know, that's like why switching stances work so well, and we can get into that in a little bit.

00:20:44.000 Space is your reaction time because striking happens with your eyes.

00:20:47.000 Instead of grappling, like if someone's leaning into me, I have like the proprioception to feel they're leaning into me.

00:20:53.000 Let me move like this.

00:20:54.000 It doesn't happen with your eyes.

00:20:56.000 In striking, it happens with your eyes.

00:20:57.000 I see your punches coming.

00:20:59.000 I know to block.

00:21:00.000 So, the more space I have and the better I can maintain and control space or manipulate space by closing it quickly or using it at the same time you close, I close, where I can be twice as fast, the more success I'm going to have.

00:21:20.000 So, for example, like...

00:21:24.000 I just don't think that people are understanding space in a way where it's like it is your like reaction time.

00:21:30.000 So if you get closer to like if you're standing over there and I'm standing here, it's not scary if you throw a punch at me because I have plenty of time to react to that punch.

00:21:39.000 Where if me and you are standing right next to each other, that's like super scary no matter who you are, you know?

00:21:45.000 So space is reaction time, and I really don't think that a lot of people see space like that.

00:21:50.000 They see space like, oh yeah, like you're at the end of my jab, that's when I can hit you.

00:21:54.000 Everything is about like, can I hit you this and that?

00:21:57.000 Where like the defensive piece of striking isn't really harped on as much, because again, it's like not as digestible.

00:22:05.000 And then there's of course like position like my position and then your position my position according to your position so like lefty righty righty lefty lefty lefty lefty righty righty and all of that is important because if you're in a different stance than I am the targets change like what you throw is different than like the attacks that you'll have are very different than the ones that we would have if we're in the same stance if we're in the opposite stance I don't think that people would necessarily pick up on those things, too.

00:22:35.000 I don't think people super understand position as, like, my guard.

00:22:39.000 Like, where am I open if I stand like this?

00:22:41.000 And where am I open if I stand like this?

00:22:45.000 The advantages, like, being a little bit outside your shoulders on each side so that I can take angles a little bit easier if I'm standing over here.

00:22:53.000 I know you're gonna correct yourself here, so I'm gonna step here.

00:22:56.000 You're gonna correct, I'm gonna step here, and then eventually I'll be able to build off of attacks.

00:23:01.000 But that to me is what striking is.

00:23:03.000 Striking is a positional battle and it's a battle for space.

00:23:08.000 And it's not like combinations and it's not set things.

00:23:16.000 Not set things, yeah.

00:23:18.000 Your style is very stance-switch dependent.

00:23:24.000 You do that as good as anybody alive.

00:23:27.000 And it's such a valuable asset.

00:23:31.000 More fighters are embracing that now than ever before.

00:23:36.000 There's something about that, if you're accustomed, like if you're accustomed to standing southpaw, or you're accustomed to standing orthodox, and you're accustomed to facing fighters that are southpaw orthodox, you get used to attacks coming from different places.

00:23:51.000 But when you're doing it, you're mixing shit up so much that you can see this overwhelming thing that's happening to the opponent.

00:24:00.000 You can see, like one of the things Cheeto said, he couldn't get started. 0.97

00:24:05.000 But the reason why he couldn't get started, in my opinion, he's a great fighter, but it was you.

00:24:11.000 It was because you were constantly feeding him with reads and information, and it was never-ending.

00:24:17.000 So there was no break where he gets to find his openings, no break where he gets to initiate.

00:24:22.000 It was just overwhelming.

00:24:24.000 Yeah, super overwhelming.

00:24:26.000 That's what that can do because, like I said, you read it with your eyes.

00:24:29.000 So if I'm switching my stance all the time, the target is changing all the time.

00:24:33.000 If you're in a righty stance and I'm in a righty stance also, the targets are different.

00:24:39.000 Your right kick is going to land on the outside of my leg. 0.98

00:24:42.000 If I switch lefty, it's going to kick to the inside of my leg.

00:24:44.000 I know that you know this, but if I'm constantly switching those targets all the time, it makes for a hell of a It's a hell of a time for you.

00:24:53.000 I started switching really, really early.

00:24:56.000 I used to really like watching Nenito Diner, the boxer.

00:25:00.000 He kind of switches a lot.

00:25:03.000 A lot of his steps are switches.

00:25:04.000 I used to love watching Nenito Diner.

00:25:06.000 I thought he was super creative.

00:25:09.000 Switching stances now at this point, I think, in martial arts is almost like a non-negotiable.

00:25:15.000 You have to be able to do it.

00:25:18.000 But it just changes the target.

00:25:20.000 It changes my weapons so much where if you can't keep up, it's just gonna fry your brain.

00:25:26.000 And I felt that with Cheeto.

00:25:28.000 I felt like any time he started to understand my movements, I would just change.

00:25:36.000 Or I would start level changing.

00:25:38.000 Or I would start doing something different so that he couldn't get an opportunity to be like, that's what I need to do.

00:25:44.000 Because then I would just change it.

00:25:45.000 And then he'd have to figure out something else.

00:25:47.000 One of the things that was fascinating about that fight to me is that it's so obvious that even though you have physical skills and he has physical skills, it was your mind.

00:25:57.000 It was strategy and it was execution.

00:26:00.000 There was a lot going on there that was important to you winning that fight.

00:26:05.000 And it wasn't just your physical ability.

00:26:07.000 It was really like...

00:26:10.000 The best example of what I love about MMA which is that it's a high-level problem-solving and you are creating all these problems and He didn't have answers to some of them and you had answers to his problems and that's a mental game and that that's to me What's so fascinating about fighting,

00:26:29.000 and that people don't understand from the outside that are just casual fans, is like, this is a complex interaction between two people that move very fast, and any error that you make one way or another, running into a right hand, running into a knee, running into this, and you're really good at setting people up for that, like the Frankie fight's a great example of that.

00:26:50.000 That, to me, is what's exciting about MMA. And so when I see a guy like you that I clearly see, like, oh, this motherfucker's on another level. 0.98

00:26:58.000 Like, you hit something. 0.98

00:27:00.000 Like, whatever it is, like, we're talking about this mindset change, or it's just this stacking upon skills and layers and experience till you get to this championship form.

00:27:10.000 There's a really exciting time when a fighter comes into that championship form, and that's what I saw in that fight.

00:27:16.000 I appreciate you saying that.

00:27:17.000 Thank you.

00:27:19.000 Yeah, I don't really know what it is either.

00:27:21.000 I think that I've definitely just matured a lot as a fighter.

00:27:27.000 I think that that's a big piece of it too.

00:27:29.000 I took a lot of pressure off my shoulders.

00:27:31.000 I'm like a phenomenal learner, to be honest.

00:27:34.000 If I do toot my own horn, I think that that's something that I'm really good at.

00:27:37.000 Is that because you're open, because you're obsessed?

00:27:40.000 I'm obsessed.

00:27:41.000 I'm very thoughtful.

00:27:43.000 I don't think I'm a smart guy.

00:27:45.000 I think that I read a lot of books, so I speak kind of okay.

00:27:49.000 But I'm not smart.

00:27:51.000 In first grade, they used to take me to another room to learn how to read.

00:27:55.000 I used to have to ask my mom, like, Why do I read different books than the other kids?

00:28:02.000 So I'm not a smart guy.

00:28:03.000 I never did good in school.

00:28:07.000 But I'm thoughtful.

00:28:09.000 You could use the word obsessed too, but I think I'm incredibly thoughtful about the way that I'm going about doing things.

00:28:16.000 In life, in fighting, I try to be super, super intentional.

00:28:20.000 I make notes.

00:28:21.000 Every Monday and Saturday, I make notes.

00:28:23.000 On Monday, I make notes of the things that I'm working on, like a to-do list, sometimes how I'm doing, all of that stuff.

00:28:30.000 But I'm super organized in the way that I'm trying to learn and the things that I'm trying to progress in, whether they're technical things.

00:28:38.000 Mental things or whatever and then I recap all of those things on Saturday made sure that I did them and then I wrote down I write down what worked what didn't work what I need to continue to drill what what I should pull back on because I don't think it's really worth the time because there are so many techniques and some things just aren't worth the time At at certain points, you know, so I'm super thoughtful.

00:28:59.000 I'm super organized and I think that that's like probably one thing that separates me is because Everyone wants it kind of the same.

00:29:08.000 Everyone's a really good athlete.

00:29:10.000 Everyone works really hard physically.

00:29:12.000 But there's got to be some X factors.

00:29:15.000 It has to be everything if you really want to be a world champ.

00:29:19.000 I say that I want to be.

00:29:21.000 When did you start doing this note-taking thing?

00:29:27.000 Probably seven or eight years ago.

00:29:29.000 Seven or eight years ago is when I started working with my sports psychologist.

00:29:33.000 He kind of turned me on to it.

00:29:35.000 I also used to train a lot with Dwayne too, and Dwayne would always be writing stuff down.

00:29:39.000 Dwayne Ludwig, he's obsessed.

00:29:41.000 Yeah, Dwayne's super obsessed too.

00:29:42.000 That guy's an amazing coach.

00:29:44.000 Yeah.

00:29:44.000 He really is.

00:29:46.000 When you look at his system, when he's got his Bang Muay Thai system, and he brought out his notebook, and he showed me all this, I'm like, Jesus Christ, who the fuck does this?

00:29:54.000 When you look at all of his combinations and what sets what up and the way he has it, I was very impressed with that.

00:30:00.000 That's the thoughtfulness that I'm talking about.

00:30:04.000 That's just a different level of caring and a different way of showing that you care.

00:30:09.000 I do that too.

00:30:11.000 I write down how striking works.

00:30:14.000 I'm hopefully going to be filming some instructionals pretty soon, so I've really been spending hours and hours and hours writing down how I think striking actually works outside of the way that it's being taught now.

00:30:29.000 So when you are in the process of a camp, when you set out a camp and you're doing this 10-week program, do you have everything planned out from the moment the camp starts?

00:30:43.000 More or less.

00:30:44.000 And is it mostly you that's planning everything out?

00:30:46.000 Yes.

00:30:47.000 Really?

00:30:48.000 Yeah.

00:30:49.000 That's like me being the quarterback.

00:30:51.000 I take full responsibility for everything that I do in life.

00:30:55.000 If I'm not getting takedowns, it's not my wrestling coach's fault.

00:31:00.000 It's my own fault because I know I'm being taught correct things.

00:31:04.000 I've surrounded myself with good people that are teaching me the right things, so I don't ever worry about not being taught the right things.

00:31:11.000 If I don't get good at something...

00:31:14.000 I like almost feel pathetic because I'm like, man, this guy's, like with the wrestling, like if Banks has to tell me something week by week by week, I start to feel like pathetic.

00:31:24.000 I'm like, why am I not getting better at this, you know?

00:31:27.000 So I take responsibility for every single thing.

00:31:30.000 That way there's no one for me to blame except for myself if I lose.

00:31:34.000 And that's another thing that I don't know that a lot of people are doing too.

00:31:37.000 That also causes me to get into it with some people sometimes too, which is fine also because they know I love them and I know that they love me.

00:31:46.000 So it's not really a big deal when we do get into it.

00:31:50.000 I write down, yeah, week by week what I'm doing, what my Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday looks like, when I'm doing my visualizations.

00:31:59.000 I incorporate like a decent amount of self-hypnosis type things that I like doing too.

00:32:05.000 I write down when I'm doing that.

00:32:07.000 I write down when I'm flying training partners in, when I'm going out to Virginia to train with Ryan.

00:32:13.000 Yeah, it's pretty much like to the T written out.

00:32:17.000 When you say self-hypnosis, like what are you doing there?

00:32:19.000 They're like, so a lot of them, so this dude Michael Seeley on YouTube does them.

00:32:25.000 They're just like 50 to like an hour and 15 minute.

00:32:31.000 Hypnosis is where they like calm you down for like the first 15-20 minutes They try to get you super present and then I enjoy there's all different kinds of them, but I like and I enjoy doing the ones where They like almost walk you through like finding your spirit animal or like Going on astral travel or something like this.

00:32:50.000 I think that there's a lot of substance to getting to a really calm place and And then letting your imagination kind of like feed you what's kind of going on deeper inside of you.

00:33:04.000 And I do a decent amount of those, which sounds a little bit funky and a little bit weird, but I've had some super intense experiences by just literally laying there, putting my headphones in and listening to this dude talk on YouTube.

00:33:20.000 Well, I'd imagine that's...

00:33:22.000 I feel like when you're at your level, and one of the things that's exciting about what's going on right now in the bantamweight division is that there's so much talent.

00:33:30.000 It might be the most talent stacked division in the UFC. It's hard to say because 55 is great, 45 is great.

00:33:36.000 There's a lot of amazing divisions, but for my money, I think 35 might be the motherfucker because There's just so many guys. 0.82

00:33:45.000 There's Marab, there's Piotr, there's Marlon, there's Yu, there's Aljamain, there's Cejudo's in there now. 0.88

00:33:52.000 And there's all these guys coming up too that are super high level. 0.99

00:33:56.000 Chris Gutierrez, there's some fucking killers. 0.99

00:33:59.000 And everyone recognizes that the level is so high in that division. 1.00

00:34:04.000 And they see a fight like...

00:34:06.000 Your fight with Marlon or Merab's fight with Piotr and it's like Jesus Christ, man.

00:34:12.000 If you want to compete in that division, you got to have everything right.

00:34:17.000 You have to dot your I's and cross your T's. 0.97

00:34:20.000 You got to get that fucking exact amount of rest. 0.98

00:34:23.000 You got to do everything. 0.99

00:34:24.000 Everything.

00:34:25.000 This is just the most insane pressure cooker that I think any division has ever had because I feel like there's like eight world champions competing for the number one spot.

00:34:35.000 Any one of these guys could be a world champion.

00:34:38.000 Any one of these guys.

00:34:39.000 And in another time period would be a world champion.

00:34:43.000 Because of what's happening in MMA right now because the skill sets are so high and the talent level is so high that everyone's recognizing that and you're seeing these fucking insane breakthrough performances like every time from these guys like Marab versus Piotr, like you versus Marlon.

00:34:59.000 These breakthrough performances are just like where everybody else is like god damn gotta go back to work because it's just so pressure intensive. 0.87

00:35:10.000 I know.

00:35:10.000 It's actually really awesome.

00:35:12.000 I reflect on that sometimes where I'm like, damn, man, you're in the hottest division in the biggest organization in the most badass sport right now. 0.98

00:35:22.000 And that's fucking cool, man. 0.98

00:35:26.000 When I reflect on that, it's awesome. 0.97

00:35:28.000 And it also is like, it's literally going to bring out, it has to bring out the best in me for the next rest of my career.

00:35:35.000 Like, it absolutely has to.

00:35:37.000 Like, it's not one of those divisions where it's like, I'm going to beat that guy, I'm going to beat that guy.

00:35:41.000 Like, literally all the way up, like... 1.00

00:35:44.000 Past the outside the top 15, I'm like, man, if you're not on your P's and Q's and you're not working your ass off like you were a 21-year-old kid, you're gonna be fucked. 0.99

00:35:52.000 And so, like, that... 0.99

00:35:54.000 I wouldn't have it any other way, man.

00:35:57.000 Like, that's what's gonna bring out the best in me, and I'm, like, super just grateful that I get to be a part of it while it's actually happening.

00:36:03.000 It kind of, like, feels surreal that...

00:36:04.000 That's the scenario.

00:36:06.000 It's awesome.

00:36:07.000 It's awesome that you're embracing it like that because it's awesome for me as a fan to watch this happen because I think it's very unique.

00:36:13.000 I think it's very special.

00:36:15.000 It's like you remember back in like there's a Showtime documentary on the golden age of like when Hagler was fighting Leonard and And Hearns was fighting Duran, and Duran was fighting Hagler, and these guys, they all fed off of each other.

00:36:29.000 But it was only a few of them. 0.97

00:36:31.000 Like, the UFC right now, it's a goddamn carnival. 1.00

00:36:34.000 I mean, there's a fucking massive crowd of assassins. 1.00

00:36:39.000 That are all competing. 0.99

00:36:40.000 And you'll see these new bantamweights that come into the UFC. And, you know, they might have 16, 17 fights outside the organization.

00:36:47.000 And then you'll see them in their debut.

00:36:49.000 You're like, Jesus Christ, this guy's world-class.

00:36:51.000 World-class already.

00:36:52.000 First fight in the UFC. I mean, that to me is so exciting because this sport...

00:36:58.000 Is the only sport that you could really name that if you go back to 1993 and you look at it from 2023, you're looking at a massive evolution in the game.

00:37:10.000 Massive.

00:37:11.000 Massive.

00:37:11.000 I mean, not even comparable.

00:37:13.000 There's not a single person from 1993 that looks like they're a world champion in 2023. But if you go back to 1993 in boxing, You got a lot of world champions.

00:37:23.000 You got Oscar De La Hoya, Julio Cesar Chavez. 0.98

00:37:25.000 You got fucking assassins who can compete in any division or in any rather era at any time in boxing. 0.99

00:37:31.000 You don't have that in the UFC. You have this It's a complete new kind of thing that's emerging and evolving, and you're seeing these top performers that are just reaching total new heights. 0.99

00:37:45.000 Yeah, it's cool.

00:37:47.000 It's in that period of history where...

00:37:50.000 So I'm sure that all the sports went through this, but...

00:37:54.000 Wrestling is pretty standard.

00:37:57.000 There's certain things that work really, really well.

00:38:00.000 And of course, people go outside the box sometimes.

00:38:02.000 But there's a proven system of what works.

00:38:04.000 Where I feel like in MMA, we're not at that point yet.

00:38:08.000 We're all in this discovery.

00:38:11.000 Who's going to figure out how to make this thing work the best?

00:38:16.000 That's almost what I feel like the race is right now.

00:38:18.000 Where the race is like... 0.89

00:38:21.000 Like I said, man, everyone works hard.

00:38:22.000 Everyone's pretty athletic.

00:38:24.000 Everyone kind of has their little quirks and the ways that they do things or whatever.

00:38:28.000 But who's going to figure out how to be the best system of MMA? Because every other sport, I feel like, has done that.

00:38:36.000 That's why most soccer games look like all the other soccer games.

00:38:39.000 But in fighting, not all the fights look like the same fights.

00:38:43.000 And I think that that's just because...

00:38:46.000 It's in this, like, realm of just full-blown creativity, which is because we're just trying to figure out, like, who's gonna get the best system first, you know?

00:38:58.000 Yeah.

00:38:58.000 It's pretty fun.

00:38:59.000 It really is fun.

00:39:00.000 It's so fun to watch.

00:39:01.000 And I think that's really important, what you just said, is creativity.

00:39:04.000 Because that's a big part of this... 0.87

00:39:09.000 Overwhelming style that you have is that it's creative is that you're you're doing things that are unexpected But standard like you're doing punches kicks takedowns, but unexpected so you're finding a way to deliver these things inside of these spaces and movements and stance switches and It's fucking wild to see man,

00:39:30.000 and it's just it's so exciting to witness this growth of this What I think is the greatest sport that's ever existed and to watch it blossom and bloom and become what it is now.

00:39:42.000 It totally has been like fighting is the best sport in the world man There's nothing in my opinion.

00:39:47.000 There's no other sport.

00:39:48.000 That's more inspiring either like It's one, like, fighting's entertaining as hell.

00:39:53.000 But, like, how inspiring is it when you watch, like, a guy like Volk go fight Islam up a weight class? 0.96

00:39:58.000 You know, like, how inspiring is that?

00:40:00.000 Sometimes I wonder if that's just me, but I don't really think it is, man.

00:40:03.000 I think it inspires the world.

00:40:05.000 That's a Rocky movie.

00:40:06.000 Yeah, seriously, man.

00:40:07.000 Like, uh...

00:40:08.000 Israel taking on Perea this week.

00:40:11.000 How inspiring, man.

00:40:12.000 The guy's lost to him three times.

00:40:14.000 He knows, man.

00:40:16.000 He knows that if he loses again, he's probably not going to fight for a title for a little bit. 0.99

00:40:23.000 That shit's inspiring, dude. 0.99

00:40:25.000 Like, how much higher can the stakes get? 1.00

00:40:27.000 Can't get any higher.

00:40:29.000 Have you been watching his training footage?

00:40:31.000 I've been watching some of the embeddeds.

00:40:33.000 He's got his own channel. 1.00

00:40:35.000 I think it's called Freestyle Bender, and he puts up all these videos of All the shit that they're doing, and this motherfucker is going so hard. 0.99

00:40:44.000 You can see he's just broken at the end of some of these sets and training sessions. 0.99

00:40:49.000 He's going as hard as he possibly can with this mindset that there's a way to conquer this guy.

00:40:54.000 There's a way to beat this guy. 0.95

00:40:57.000 I'm so fucking pumped. 0.97

00:40:58.000 I can't imagine. 0.98

00:40:59.000 It's two fucking days away, man. 0.98

00:41:01.000 I know. 0.99

00:41:01.000 Are you going to call it? 0.99

00:41:02.000 Hell yeah.

00:41:02.000 Oh, you are nice.

00:41:03.000 I can't wait.

00:41:04.000 Lucky.

00:41:04.000 I know.

00:41:05.000 I thought about going, but I'm gone too many weekends.

00:41:08.000 But, man, I can't wait.

00:41:09.000 I can't wait.

00:41:10.000 And Masvidal and Burns.

00:41:11.000 I kind of want to see who wins that fight, too.

00:41:13.000 That's a very interesting fight.

00:41:15.000 It's going to be interesting to see if Masvidal can handle Burns' takedowns and Burns' aggression.

00:41:21.000 It's just, where's Masvidal in his career?

00:41:24.000 You know, I mean, he looked great in fights in the past, but then, you know, you see the fight with Kamaru, he gets KO'd, and then he loses the fight to Colby, he gets overwhelmed.

00:41:34.000 Like, where's he at right now?

00:41:36.000 He's older.

00:41:38.000 Did he say he's 38?

00:41:40.000 37 or 38?

00:41:43.000 You know, at a certain point in time, you can't do it anymore the same way.

00:41:48.000 That's what he was saying too, right?

00:41:49.000 He was saying if he loses, this will probably be his last one.

00:41:52.000 Yeah.

00:41:52.000 Dude, did you used to watch all of those videos of like the street fights before kind of...

00:41:57.000 Dude, that...

00:41:58.000 Yeah.

00:41:58.000 When I was thinking, because I get asked, you know, sometimes like, hey, how'd you get into MMA? I don't ever have like an interesting story, you know?

00:42:04.000 I'm like, well, I used to watch Kimbo knock people's eyeballs out in backyards.

00:42:08.000 Yeah.

00:42:08.000 Remember that video, dude?

00:42:09.000 Holy shit, that was crazy. 0.99

00:42:11.000 Yeah, that was crazy. 1.00

00:42:11.000 They were fighting near a satellite dish. 1.00

00:42:13.000 There's all sorts of stuff in the backyard.

00:42:15.000 They're going to move around things.

00:42:16.000 Seriously.

00:42:17.000 Yeah, I remember there was a stint in my teenage years where I just would watch World Star Hip Hop.

00:42:24.000 Do you ever get on World Star Hip Hop?

00:42:26.000 Oh yeah.

00:42:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:27.000 Where it would just be like fight compilations and I would just watch for like 40 minutes just like people beat the shit out of each other on the streets and I thought it was so awesome.

00:42:36.000 That's like what got me into fighting. 0.64

00:42:38.000 That's crazy. 0.99

00:42:39.000 I was like, oh yeah, I want to fuck some people up like that. 0.99

00:42:41.000 That looks cool. 0.99

00:42:42.000 It's funny that that got you in, but your style is so intelligent.

00:42:46.000 Yeah.

00:42:47.000 It's like your style is like high level chess, but that's just madness.

00:42:52.000 Yeah.

00:42:52.000 Just KOs and...

00:42:54.000 I mean, I think every teenager...

00:42:55.000 I mean, the fantasy, I think, for most dudes that don't fight is they just want to, like, you know, like, be tough.

00:43:01.000 Like, everyone wants to be, like, tough, you know?

00:43:03.000 And fighting's the best way to be tough. 0.99

00:43:06.000 And when I was, like, younger and just watching that, it was like, fuck yeah, I want to be, like, so tough and, like, kill people the way that those people do, you know? 0.99

00:43:15.000 What's fucked that most people don't understand is... 0.99

00:43:19.000 The amount of work that's involved just to get your body physically prepared to be able to fight for 25 minutes is so taxing to the mind. 0.99

00:43:29.000 It's so grueling.

00:43:33.000 Everything gets tested.

00:43:34.000 Your ambitions get tested, your will, your fortitude, your commitment, your distractions, your self-hate and loathing, your self-love, your ego.

00:43:44.000 Everything gets tested.

00:43:46.000 I can't think of another sport where people go in and probably worry or have to be super concerned about how tired they're gonna get.

00:43:54.000 Can you?

00:43:55.000 I think about basketball, football, other sports, there's always substitutes.

00:44:00.000 That's a major demon to conquer on your way up in MMA. How do I not be scared of getting tired as hell?

00:44:07.000 Because it's the most tiring shit in the world, especially when you're coming up and you're nervous in fights and you don't really know what you're doing, your technique isn't as good. 0.99

00:44:15.000 I can't think of another sport where you have to go in and be like, man, if I get tired, I'm going to get my ass kicked. 0.99

00:44:22.000 Like, literally get my ass kicked. 0.99

00:44:24.000 That's like another thing that makes MMA cool. 1.00

00:44:26.000 It is.

00:44:27.000 And that mental battle and wondering whether or not you've done enough in camp.

00:44:31.000 Because there's some guys that are very, very talented, but they're not very disciplined.

00:44:38.000 And those guys, you could always see that moment where the other guy is in shape and they...

00:44:42.000 Start to doubt and start to think about maybe I ate too many donuts, maybe I slept in, missed a few training sessions that I could have gone to, and now I don't have the gas tank and this guy's coming after me.

00:44:53.000 Yeah, that's a horrible spot to be in.

00:44:56.000 It's a horrible spot to be in.

00:44:57.000 There's another thing about MMA is the management of your energy in a fight and these calculated maneuvers of when to burst and when to take your foot off the gas and And when when to know like have an understanding of your body like what it's capable of at any given moment And it's one of the things that drives me nuts about bad refereeing like say if someone Has a big burst for and shoots for a takedown massive struggle gets it to the ground and And

00:45:27.000 then is trying to intelligently move to a place where they could do damage, but the other person is defending well, and then the referee interferes and stands them up. 0.99

00:45:38.000 I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ. 0.98

00:45:40.000 Do you know how hard it is to get someone to the ground? 0.99

00:45:43.000 And if that person is having a hard time on the bottom, they should probably get up, figure out how to get up.

00:45:48.000 But for you to just, the boos of the casuals, and you're like, come on, stand them up, stand them up, and you just interfere in a fight?

00:45:56.000 It drives me nuts. 0.90

00:45:57.000 Nuts! 1.00

00:45:58.000 I don't really think that they fully understand what it's like from a fighter's point of view to be like, finally I got this motherfucker down. 1.00

00:46:06.000 And then to have him stand back up and then you gotta do the shit again? 1.00

00:46:10.000 Yeah, and on top of that, maybe you empty the gas tank a little bit doing that and this guy's fresh and then you get kicked. 1.00

00:46:19.000 You know, and then, oh, fuck, and now your leg's compromised. 0.99

00:46:22.000 Now you're switching stances. 1.00

00:46:23.000 Now you're trying to relax, but now this guy's turning it on.

00:46:25.000 Now you have to eat up the gas that you were trying to conserve, and now you're moving.

00:46:30.000 It's unnatural.

00:46:31.000 It's like there was an unnatural intervention in the exchange, and that was a referee.

00:46:36.000 I know.

00:46:36.000 I always think about how...

00:46:40.000 Because everyone talks about the judging and all that.

00:46:42.000 I always wonder how that could actually be, again, reliably fixed to where it's not...

00:46:48.000 We're not just guessing or we're not...

00:46:51.000 And it seems super hard.

00:46:54.000 I think that the problem isn't with the criteria as much as it is with the actual rules.

00:47:00.000 I almost feel like...

00:47:02.000 Say you work real hard, you get a takedown, and there's three minutes left on the clock, and then there's just so much ambiguity as to how much is enough damage.

00:47:13.000 There's so much ambiguity happening that, unfortunately, because it'll mess up some other things, I almost feel like you have to add in rules.

00:47:21.000 Okay, so I get stood up if I can make it so that this guy can't punch me for 30 seconds or whatever amount of time it is or something.

00:47:29.000 But I almost feel like those types of problems only will get solved by rules.

00:47:34.000 They won't get solved by this like ambiguity where like the ref can kind of make whatever decision and each ref is different and each crowd is different and they're just making a bunch of decisions.

00:47:46.000 I think that someone, not me, should sit down and really think about, you know, making it really clear and really straightforward about, like, the rules so that that kind of stuff doesn't happen anymore.

00:47:57.000 Yeah, I think in that sense that it is too subjective.

00:48:00.000 It's too subjective, and too many referees have different ideas of what's acceptable.

00:48:04.000 And also, you can see referees reacting to the crowd.

00:48:07.000 Yeah.

00:48:07.000 We all see that.

00:48:08.000 I think that's ridiculous. 0.93

00:48:10.000 That should never take place. 0.95

00:48:11.000 Judges, too?

00:48:12.000 Yes, for sure.

00:48:13.000 There's a lot of bad judging.

00:48:15.000 Jesus Christ some of these decisions lately where you know they like who gave Marlin the fight?

00:48:24.000 I don't know.

00:48:25.000 Somebody gave Marlon the fight.

00:48:26.000 Yeah, yeah, I know. 0.99

00:48:27.000 That's fucking insane. 0.97

00:48:28.000 I want you to imagine if there's three people who gave Marlon that fight. 0.99

00:48:31.000 I know. 0.97

00:48:32.000 What if one other dude fucked up that night? 1.00

00:48:34.000 Because that guy obviously fucked up. 1.00

00:48:36.000 But imagine if it was someone else and I went home a loser, like scratching my head. 1.00

00:48:40.000 Insane. 0.97

00:48:41.000 Insane.

00:48:42.000 Yeah, that's pretty scary.

00:48:42.000 One of the best performances of your career in a fight where everybody who watched thought you won.

00:48:46.000 Everybody.

00:48:48.000 The idea of giving that to Marlon, and I'm a Marlon fan.

00:48:51.000 He didn't win that fight.

00:48:52.000 You won that fight.

00:48:53.000 It's clear. 0.99

00:48:53.000 So whoever the fuck that judge is, you're not doing that anymore. 0.99

00:48:57.000 You can ruin careers. 0.99

00:48:58.000 You can take away win bonuses.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, they need a universal commission.

00:49:06.000 I really think that that should...

00:49:08.000 Because I almost wonder why the UFC hasn't done it yet.

00:49:11.000 Because if I was the UFC, it would be in my best interest to make sure that everyone's on the same page so that someone doesn't mess something up.

00:49:21.000 Because that fight very well...

00:49:22.000 If one other person got it wrong, just one other person...

00:49:26.000 I could have lost, and then that would have changed a lot of stuff, man, because it just would have.

00:49:32.000 People care about wins and losses.

00:49:33.000 I almost feel like someone should look into making a universal commission so that the rules are laid out clear.

00:49:43.000 We have...

00:49:44.000 Ten judges that we use at this time, the judges are completely 100% on the same page about what's winning, what's not winning.

00:49:53.000 That way all of the fighters know that because right now it's just commissions from different states just deciding on whatever rules they want to do.

00:50:00.000 And I really think that step one is universal commission.

00:50:04.000 I think there's another step that needs to be taken, and that's an abandonment of the 10-point must system.

00:50:09.000 I think that system is not our system.

00:50:11.000 That system is a system that's applicable to boxing, and it works great with boxing.

00:50:16.000 You're dealing with two weapons.

00:50:18.000 You have just punches.

00:50:20.000 You have a bunch of different ways to apply those punches, but you have a left hand and a right hand.

00:50:23.000 That's it.

00:50:24.000 There's so many more things going on in MMA. It's exponential.

00:50:29.000 There's takedowns.

00:50:32.000 There's submissions.

00:50:34.000 There's ground control.

00:50:35.000 There's being able to dictate the pace.

00:50:38.000 There's so much that happens in MMA that doesn't happen in boxing because of all the different skill sets and the different weapons and how they get applied and what's more valuable than the other thing.

00:50:51.000 I think it should be a very comprehensive system, and I think there should be way more than three judges I think I think there's a real good argument to have like something like ten judges and have because like an Experts I mean guys like yeah, I mean if you can get I don't know Faraz a hobby would do it but like that level of expert You know the guys like safe Saud these fucking world-class coaches and and trainers have guys like that judge fights and You'll get a real

00:51:21.000 solid understanding.

00:51:23.000 And if you have ten of those, 99.9% of the time you're gonna get the right winner.

00:51:28.000 But if you have three, and no disrespect, but some of these people just shouldn't be judging.

00:51:33.000 If someone judged Marlon winning over you, they should not be judging an MMA fight.

00:51:39.000 Because either they're not paying attention, maybe they're on drugs, but they definitely didn't see what I saw, so it doesn't make any sense to me. 0.97

00:51:45.000 Even with the 10-point must system, which is a fucked-up system.

00:51:48.000 But if we had a system that tallied all the different takedown attempts, all of the different strikes, and it was a point system, so instead of 10-9, you're dealing with 162 versus 120. The next round, 195 versus 170. And you look at it in that way.

00:52:10.000 Where you could tally it up at the end and look at it.

00:52:14.000 I also think there's something that Pride had that we really should take into consideration.

00:52:19.000 That you judge the fight as a whole and that the last parts of the fight are probably the most important parts. 0.92

00:52:26.000 Like when you saw Volkanovski on top of Islam at the end of the fight pounded on him, that is fucking gigantic. 1.00

00:52:33.000 That matters. 0.99

00:52:34.000 That matters, because if this is a schoolyard, the schoolyard analogy, the teachers come and break it up and you're on top, you fucking won. 0.98

00:52:40.000 No one's gonna say, Islam won that fight, we got him. 1.00

00:52:43.000 No you didn't. 0.85

00:52:43.000 No, the teachers stopped the fight with Volkanovski on top of you, punched you in the face. 0.85

00:52:49.000 He won that fight.

00:52:50.000 That's a great point.

00:52:51.000 Everybody who saw that at the end was like, Volk got him.

00:52:54.000 Yeah, that's a great point.

00:52:55.000 I even look back to Gaethje and Fazeev's fight.

00:52:57.000 Like, mega close fight.

00:52:59.000 But the judges got it right.

00:53:00.000 But Gaethje, at the end, was definitely going to be the guy that, if that went another 10 minutes, Gaethje was winning that fight.

00:53:06.000 Yes.

00:53:06.000 Yeah.

00:53:07.000 Yes.

00:53:07.000 That's interesting.

00:53:08.000 That's actually...

00:53:09.000 Yeah, that's actually a really good idea, I think.

00:53:11.000 Like, why not make...

00:53:14.000 Takedowns points.

00:53:15.000 Yes.

00:53:15.000 Like how they do in wrestling.

00:53:16.000 Right.

00:53:17.000 And then why not make it almost the same as collegiate wrestling where if you get up, that's a point too.

00:53:22.000 Right.

00:53:22.000 Cap kicks are a point.

00:53:24.000 This is a point.

00:53:24.000 And all of it gets tallied up.

00:53:26.000 And so it's significant.

00:53:28.000 You know, there's that thing significant strikes, which is kind of interesting, but sometimes significant strikes are body punches when you're on the ground, which we both know are not as significant as like a...

00:53:39.000 A front kick to the gut when you're standing up, it's got more power to it.

00:53:43.000 So what is significant strikes?

00:53:44.000 Maybe significant kicks versus significant punches.

00:53:47.000 Maybe some kicks are worth more.

00:53:50.000 Like a head kick is worth more.

00:53:52.000 You know, a calf kick, when you see damage, when you see someone limp, that's worth more.

00:53:56.000 Like how many points is that worth?

00:53:58.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:53:59.000 Yeah, I almost feel like that's...

00:54:01.000 I mean, it's probably the same thought process that Taekwondo went through when they were creating the rules for their sport too, right?

00:54:10.000 I could see how potentially there would be maybe some issues with people just touching.

00:54:16.000 But even then, you can't ever really tell how hard someone's hitting.

00:54:20.000 Ever.

00:54:21.000 Even a guy like Perea.

00:54:23.000 I was watching some of his highlights and stuff earlier this week.

00:54:27.000 The way he punches people, they come from here. 1.00

00:54:31.000 And they don't look like this.

00:54:35.000 But when he hits someone, their head snaps back.

00:54:39.000 Yeah.

00:54:40.000 So you can never really tell, I guess, how hard...

00:54:43.000 Those types of things, you can't...

00:54:46.000 It would be super hard to judge from a subjective point, but I definitely agree with you that there needs to be clear set, like, this is worth more than this.

00:54:56.000 This is worth more than this.

00:54:57.000 If I get a takedown, but I've been beating you up for a minute, and you get a takedown on me, I actually...

00:55:03.000 What's the balance there so that I don't have to fucking guess while I'm in the middle of trying to beat this guy up? 0.65

00:55:10.000 I think a larger number. 0.85

00:55:13.000 I don't think 10-9.

00:55:14.000 I don't think 10-9 makes any sense to me.

00:55:16.000 It's just too much room for interpretation, too much room for subjectivity.

00:55:21.000 I think we should have some really large number It's just such a different sport than boxing.

00:55:29.000 10-9 makes sense in boxing.

00:55:30.000 10-80 got a knockdown.

00:55:31.000 Makes sense.

00:55:32.000 It does not make sense in MMA. You'll see guys get knocked down and win the round.

00:55:39.000 It's like, well, how hurt was he on that knockdown and what should that count for?

00:55:43.000 You know, we don't count knockdowns in the same way that boxing counts knockdowns, where you, like, if you're watching, like, Caleb Plant and Benavidez, if Benavidez knocks Caleb Plant down, you know that's a 10-8 round.

00:55:54.000 Everybody knows.

00:55:56.000 Oh, he's got a 10-8 round, he won that round.

00:55:57.000 That is not the case in MMA where there's a clear-cut thing. 0.63

00:56:02.000 That you could point to and say, you know, there's so many fights that are so goddamn close.

00:56:06.000 Like, Sugar Sean and Piotr Jan. 0.54

00:56:09.000 Perfect example.

00:56:10.000 Like, Jesus Christ, that was a close fight.

00:56:12.000 Yeah.

00:56:12.000 Why?

00:56:12.000 And you gotta, like, really look at it to try to figure out who won.

00:56:16.000 I think they got it right, but when I first saw it, I thought they got it wrong.

00:56:19.000 Because I first saw it, and Piotr was on top at the end of it, I was like, I think he got it.

00:56:23.000 I'm like, oh wow, he won.

00:56:25.000 But I was eating.

00:56:26.000 I was backstage at a green room after a comedy show, hanging out with friends.

00:56:30.000 But watching it alone, I was like, okay, that is a complex fight where it's close, but I think they got it right.

00:56:37.000 I do too.

00:56:38.000 I think there should be a complete overhaul of the scoring system.

00:56:43.000 And I think...

00:56:44.000 They should have some sort of a conference where they get together with experts and world-class referees and judges and trainers and fighters and Everybody has input do it at like that UFC fighter week thing that they do in July and have a fucking conference where they literally sit down and try to Remap the way we score fights because there's no reason to keep scoring them this way No one's holding a gun to our head.

00:57:07.000 No one's making this 10-9 thing.

00:57:10.000 We just adopted it because when we wanted to be sanctioned in the initial part of it, you had to get through the athletic commissions, Nevada State Athletic Commission being the best, and all these other ones, you know, being secondary.

00:57:21.000 But they had a system that was already in place, so we took that system from boxing and we applied it to MMA. I agree with you.

00:57:28.000 Yeah, I mean they gotta do something dude or else it's just it's literally gonna happen like every single month Yeah, and people are gonna be upset about it and it's gonna be a topic of conversation until it gets fixed Yeah, there's just been so many fights recently the Angela Lee Macy Barber fight There's been a bunch of these fights where you just you watch it after you like what? 0.61

00:57:46.000 What the fuck did they watch?

00:57:47.000 I watched that fight in the back a little bit. 0.99

00:57:49.000 Yeah, because that was the same night that I fought Cheeto Yeah, I remember in my head. 0.95

00:57:53.000 I was like, oh well you better fucking win this fight by by a margin I know, right? 0.93

00:57:58.000 That was crazy. 0.99

00:57:59.000 I know.

00:58:00.000 That decision was nuts.

00:58:01.000 I just couldn't understand it. 0.99

00:58:04.000 There's a lot of those lately, and I don't know what the fuck is going on. 0.99

00:58:09.000 I don't know what the fuck is going on either. 1.00

00:58:12.000 I hate to keep bringing this up, but the fucking Cheeto. 1.00

00:58:15.000 Cheeto getting one judge calling that fight over you. 1.00

00:58:18.000 How?

00:58:20.000 How?

00:58:21.000 Yeah.

00:58:22.000 How?

00:58:23.000 I think I might have an idea.

00:58:29.000 So that guy was judging or reffing a fight of my guys maybe four years ago.

00:58:36.000 My guy was in a rear naked choke, but it wasn't sunken in.

00:58:43.000 His angle was right, so it wasn't in.

00:58:45.000 We're yelling at the guy like, Hey, don't stop it.

00:58:48.000 Don't stop it.

00:58:49.000 Don't stop it.

00:58:50.000 The guy stops it.

00:58:52.000 And then, you know, like, I'm like, hey, man, like, you really screwed that one up.

00:58:57.000 And like, maybe I didn't say it that nice.

00:58:59.000 But that same ref was the judge that scored it for Cheeto.

00:59:03.000 Oh, So I don't think he liked me that much, maybe.

00:59:07.000 That's all speculation, of course, but...

00:59:09.000 Well, that makes a lot of sense.

00:59:12.000 Might make some sense.

00:59:13.000 That's the only thing that makes sense.

00:59:14.000 And I don't really mean to throw that guy under the bus, because I actually only really realized this a few days ago when I looked up what the guy looked like. 0.93

00:59:22.000 I was like, oh, that's the guy that I kind of bitched out for fucking up four years ago.

00:59:28.000 And it definitely wasn't the best interaction with that guy. 0.99

00:59:34.000 But I don't want to shit on the guy because the guy's already getting so much heat as it is. 0.97

00:59:38.000 Well, he should get heat for that. 0.98

00:59:40.000 Might have something to do with it.

00:59:41.000 That might have something to do with it.

00:59:42.000 And that's the unfortunate aspect of subjectivity, of people having their own opinions about things and going into a fight, judging a fight in a biased way.

00:59:52.000 Yeah, it's not good.

00:59:53.000 I also think, you know, have you seen Verdict?

00:59:57.000 Verdict MMA? It's an app and people score from home.

01:00:02.000 Oh, I have seen that.

01:00:03.000 I'm not sure how it works, but they seem to get it right most of the time.

01:00:08.000 That would be funny if we just had the fans vote. 0.99

01:00:10.000 It'd be like some gladiator shit. 0.98

01:00:12.000 I'm not saying we should, but that would be kind of funny. 1.00

01:00:14.000 The problem is when Conor fights, the fucking Irish people would hack the servers. 1.00

01:00:18.000 Yeah, totally. 1.00

01:00:18.000 It would just be about whose country has the most population. 1.00

01:00:22.000 Yes, and who's the most popular person.

01:00:24.000 Because if you have casuals that don't really truly understand what's going on, they're judging it.

01:00:29.000 I don't know if that's the best idea.

01:00:31.000 Maybe if you have someone who's verified, like, you know, you got these guys that are either former fighters or like hardcore fans, practitioners, people who really understand martial arts, trainers, and maybe you get verified.

01:00:45.000 Just like you get verified on Twitter for being Corey Sanhagen, maybe you get verified as being a verified judge.

01:00:51.000 And so you can participate.

01:00:53.000 Yeah, some people would love that.

01:00:54.000 It's not a bad idea.

01:00:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:56.000 At least we should have a secondary score that doesn't count.

01:01:01.000 Like we could say, how do the people at home feel?

01:01:04.000 How do the verified, you know, either athletes or trainers or how do these people who we say, this guy understands MMA and he gets to vote and there's like 5,000 of them, what do they think?

01:01:17.000 Yeah.

01:01:18.000 And then you look at like 99% think Corey won.

01:01:21.000 Yeah.

01:01:22.000 I mean, that's statistics, right?

01:01:23.000 Like, the larger population size that you have, the more right you're gonna make it.

01:01:28.000 Right.

01:01:28.000 Which is why you would never do, like, a drug test on three people.

01:01:31.000 You know, they don't do pharmaceutical tests on three people. 0.95

01:01:34.000 So that's why, when you have judges, where there's three people judging a very important fight that easily could be for the number one contender position, how the fuck is that... 0.97

01:01:43.000 How's that okay? 0.98

01:01:44.000 That's not smart. 0.96

01:01:45.000 It's not like judges are so fucking expensive that we can't afford five of them or six of them. 0.98

01:01:50.000 Glory has five. 0.95

01:01:52.000 Do they?

01:01:53.000 Yeah.

01:01:53.000 Is Glory still around?

01:01:54.000 Glory's still around.

01:01:55.000 Oh, nice.

01:01:57.000 They're not around the United States, unfortunately. 0.88

01:01:59.000 When they were doing that fucking big tournament in L.A. and they were on television in the U.S., I really had high hopes. 0.93

01:02:09.000 I did too. 0.90

01:02:10.000 I was really hoping that they would do well because K1 in the 90s and the 2000s was the most fucking awesome thing in the entire world. 0.51

01:02:20.000 The most fucking awesome thing?

01:02:20.000 It was the most awesome thing.

01:02:21.000 I talk to some people now, now that I'm like 30 and a little bit older, some people don't know what it is.

01:02:27.000 And I'm like, look that up on YouTube and watch every single K1 fight ever.

01:02:31.000 It's the most awesome thing in the world.

01:02:34.000 Just show them an Ernesto Hoost highlight reel.

01:02:36.000 Seriously.

01:02:37.000 Andy Sauer.

01:02:38.000 Oh my god.

01:02:39.000 Yeah, dude.

01:02:39.000 Andy Hoog.

01:02:40.000 I mean, there's so many guys. 0.99

01:02:42.000 Fucking Peter Ertz. 0.99

01:02:44.000 Dude. 1.00

01:02:45.000 Jerome LeBanner.

01:02:46.000 I mean, they had some.

01:02:47.000 Remy Bonjowski. 1.00

01:02:48.000 They had some fucking fights, man. 1.00

01:02:50.000 Dude. 1.00

01:02:51.000 You know what fight I was thinking of the other day is Chahid versus Zambidis. 1.00

01:02:56.000 Remember that fight?

01:02:57.000 Oh, yes!

01:02:58.000 Dude, that fight has just like disappeared in history, but that was one of the most awesome epic fights that's ever happened in history. 0.99

01:03:05.000 Zampiedas was a fucking animal. 1.00

01:03:07.000 Yeah, he was awesome. 1.00

01:03:08.000 What a fight.

01:03:08.000 He was awesome.

01:03:09.000 Was he Australian?

01:03:13.000 I think so, right?

01:03:14.000 He was Greek.

01:03:15.000 Was he from Australia?

01:03:16.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:16.000 You might be right.

01:03:17.000 There it is.

01:03:18.000 Dude, this is the most...

01:03:19.000 Oh, man.

01:03:19.000 Yeah, he's Greek.

01:03:20.000 This fight was fucking bananas. 0.99

01:03:23.000 These guys got in each other's face from the moment the fight started... 0.99

01:03:29.000 I mean, they just fucking went to war. 0.98

01:03:32.000 Look at this. 0.99

01:03:32.000 I'm so glad that I got to bring this up for people where they'll like, you know, watch this shit because this is the most awesome fight in the entire world. 0.99

01:03:40.000 The most awesome fight. 0.98

01:03:40.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:03:41.000 If I was running the UFC, and clearly I'm not, but if I was, I would not be interested in slap fighting.

01:03:46.000 I'd be interested in this.

01:03:48.000 Yeah.

01:03:48.000 This is what I would say.

01:03:49.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, totally.

01:03:50.000 If you guys want to do something else that's going to be big, how about have pro kickboxing?

01:03:55.000 Yep.

01:03:55.000 Because everybody loves high-level kickboxing.

01:03:57.000 Do it in the small gloves like one.

01:03:58.000 Right.

01:03:59.000 Or you could do it in these gloves.

01:04:01.000 But yeah, small gloves is fine.

01:04:02.000 These gloves are way better than the Glory ones too.

01:04:05.000 The Glory ones look bulky and they guard the face too much.

01:04:09.000 These look like...

01:04:11.000 So Dwayne, let me put a pair of these on.

01:04:14.000 Are these 10s or 8s?

01:04:15.000 Dude, they might be 8s.

01:04:16.000 But dude, it literally just covers what it needs to cover.

01:04:20.000 They're essentially...

01:04:21.000 They feel like MMA gloves.

01:04:24.000 Except without the fingers.

01:04:25.000 I think 8's the right number.

01:04:26.000 Eight's the right number. 0.91

01:04:27.000 It's so crazy that heavyweights are using fours in MMA, right?

01:04:30.000 But 8 ounces, that seems like the right number, specifically for these guys, but there's a lot of these guys out there in the world, like Cedric Dumbay just got signed for UFC. Oh yeah, I saw that, that's cool.

01:04:41.000 Yeah, they almost had him sign a while back, which is, it sucks, because he lost like two years of his prime, where, you know, for some reason it didn't work out and he didn't get in, but now, finally, that guy is in MMA, and you're gonna get to see just elite, world-class striking.

01:04:58.000 That's awesome. 0.96

01:04:58.000 And fucking conditioning. 0.96

01:05:00.000 That guy came to my gym, he did my podcast, and he came to my gym in LA, and they wanted to use the gym, and so after the podcast session, he did a training session, so I got to watch the whole thing. 0.99

01:05:12.000 They do some wild strength and conditioning shit. 0.93

01:05:15.000 Oh, really? 1.00

01:05:15.000 So much strength and conditioning. 1.00

01:05:17.000 It's all sprints on the treadmill, you know, that self-powering treadmill, and then run back over to the bag, and it's...

01:05:26.000 And it's time!

01:05:27.000 Go! 0.95

01:05:28.000 And he's doing another thing.

01:05:29.000 He's doing plyos, doing all these different things.

01:05:31.000 But that's why that guy's got this insane gas tank.

01:05:34.000 When you watch Cedric Dumbe fight, one of the things he does, he melts people.

01:05:38.000 He's got crazy power, super intelligent, very creative inside there, but also just melts people with that pace.

01:05:46.000 He's been around for a while, too, right?

01:05:47.000 He has.

01:05:48.000 Okay, yeah, because I was going to say, I haven't seen much of his fights recently, but I know that he's been around for a while.

01:05:52.000 He's a comedian.

01:05:53.000 Like a legit comedian?

01:05:54.000 He's a comedian in France.

01:05:56.000 Oh, really?

01:05:57.000 Yeah, he's a funny dude, man.

01:05:58.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:05:59.000 Cedric Dumbe shoots down reports of UFC deal.

01:06:02.000 Oh, no.

01:06:03.000 The rumors of Cedric Dumbe signed to the UFC cropped up after the fighter shared a cryptic post on social media. 0.99

01:06:09.000 Because I know he was about to be signed at one point, so what the fuck?

01:06:13.000 That hasn't happened yet, officially, is all. 0.97

01:06:15.000 Oh, so he got a call from Dana White and he sent a picture of it.

01:06:18.000 Yeah, here's his last tweet about it.

01:06:20.000 He said, I know you want to see me at the UFC. I really want to make you love, but the choice offered me is really not easy.

01:06:27.000 And at 30, it will be the last choice of my life.

01:06:30.000 Look how he spelled choice.

01:06:32.000 It's French.

01:06:33.000 That's French.

01:06:35.000 Is he spelling it in French?

01:06:36.000 That's what it is.

01:06:37.000 Chois. 0.98

01:06:38.000 This is my chois. 1.00

01:06:41.000 Well, fuck man. 0.99

01:06:42.000 I hope they figure that out because when you get guys like Pajeda or get guys like Cedric Dumbe, you get to see elite striking. 0.99

01:06:51.000 Yeah.

01:06:52.000 And it's also you get to see this problem, like with Pajeda, you saw it with the Adesanya fight.

01:06:57.000 Doesn't really know what to do when guys are wrestling him.

01:06:59.000 You know, and that was a big problem when Izzy got his back and he couldn't get out of that.

01:07:03.000 It's like, wow, he was very sluggish on the ground.

01:07:05.000 There's like a marked difference between the fluidity and the efficiency that he has on his feet.

01:07:11.000 And then when Adesanya got him on the ground, you can say like, whoa. 0.95

01:07:14.000 He's gonna have a problem with like the Robert Whittaker's of the world or the Marvin Vittori's, these big fucks that know how to wrestle.

01:07:20.000 Yeah, I think grappling is super interesting or at least from like the way that I've kind of learned things.

01:07:26.000 Uh, and wrestling is because it's so proprioceptive that, like, you literally, I don't feel I can get good at it until you clock all of those hours.

01:07:36.000 Like, that's, like, a really cool thing about, I mean, everything comes more natural to people, of course.

01:07:40.000 Like, striking came really natural to me, but I had, I started everything at the same time, but, uh, jiu-jitsu was so proprioceptive that it, like, it wasn't natural for me.

01:07:49.000 Like, I grew up playing basketball, like, everything is hand-eyed coordination, you know, moving your body.

01:07:54.000 Uh, But wrestling and grappling, it's almost like when you learn a different language and you always have that accent.

01:08:03.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:04.000 Where it's like, oh, that guy didn't grow up doing that.

01:08:08.000 Because I can see by the way that he just does really small, nuancy things.

01:08:12.000 And you can't get rid of it unless you just, like, clock hours and hours and hours of it.

01:08:16.000 I feel like striking's that way too, though, don't you?

01:08:18.000 Yeah, I think for some people, and that's why I said maybe it's because just the way, like, I just naturally picked up striking really easy, too, but...

01:08:24.000 I think for bulky guys, for bulky guys, striking becomes a real problem.

01:08:28.000 Yeah, because moving's a big deal.

01:08:30.000 And it's also, like, guys who are used to grappling, they're used to moving their body in a very specific way, and then all of a sudden they've got a snap, an explosion, like, A different thing.

01:08:39.000 And a lot of them, like the big bulky guys, have a really hard time picking up fluid striking.

01:08:45.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:08:46.000 Definitely.

01:08:46.000 But if you like, you see a guy like Floyd Mayweather or something that started when he was a little kid, my god, it's like a part of his, it's like blinking.

01:08:53.000 It's just like completely natural movement.

01:08:55.000 Yeah.

01:08:56.000 Yeah.

01:08:57.000 I mean, yeah, because when I think about how I've—because I do think I've made some giant leaps in my wrestling game recently, the reason I think it's happened is because Banks and I will just, like, hand fight and pummel for, like— 20-30 minutes straight on a lot of days like Wednesdays and Saturdays.

01:09:16.000 We'll just do that because I really feel like I don't understand things until I can actually just like clock them hours and hours and hours because it can be the difference of oh my shoulders here or my shoulders here.

01:09:28.000 Like on someone's chest that like stops them from running me over.

01:09:32.000 And, like, those things you just don't learn unless you just, like, clock the hours and hours and hours.

01:09:36.000 Another thing that makes, like, MMA just so awesome and fascinating, too, is just there's things that you just can't skit without just clocking hours and hours and hours of it.

01:09:47.000 There's no shortcuts.

01:09:47.000 No, no.

01:09:48.000 Especially at the elite level.

01:09:50.000 It's like, you can't, because everyone's talented.

01:09:53.000 Everyone's motivated.

01:09:54.000 Everyone's driven.

01:09:55.000 Everyone's successful.

01:09:56.000 Everyone has experience.

01:09:57.000 Yeah.

01:09:58.000 It's just, like, what a pressure cooker.

01:10:00.000 Seriously.

01:10:01.000 Woo! 0.99

01:10:01.000 It's good though, man, because like I said, I don't really have any other hobbies. 0.99

01:10:06.000 I don't enjoy doing other things, so I'm super capable of just clocking hours and hours and hours because I don't do other shit in life. 0.94

01:10:13.000 That's good that you don't do other shit because you wouldn't have time for it. 0.97

01:10:16.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:10:19.000 The question with a lot of elite athletes in MMA is how long can you maintain that intensity?

01:10:25.000 Yeah.

01:10:26.000 Because it is a grind.

01:10:28.000 It's a grind, yeah.

01:10:29.000 I'm in a nice place though because after that yawn fight I took a year, got better, was able to rest my nervous system.

01:10:37.000 When you're wanting to fight over and over and over again, I feel like your nervous system never really gets to chill because it's like thinking a couple months ahead.

01:10:46.000 But my nervous system feels good right now.

01:10:48.000 It's excited to think a couple months ahead now.

01:10:50.000 That's great.

01:10:51.000 So the yawn fight you took on short notice, like how much time did you have?

01:10:55.000 Five weeks.

01:10:56.000 So half time of what you prefer.

01:10:59.000 And what did you get out of that fight?

01:11:03.000 I was super happy with the way that I did those five weeks.

01:11:06.000 I was really happy about that.

01:11:09.000 That was the first time that I had actually gotten rocked to the point where my body wasn't listening to me.

01:11:16.000 So that was super interesting.

01:11:19.000 What did you get hit with? 1.00

01:11:21.000 Fucking like a spinning back fist left hook. 0.99

01:11:24.000 It was a pretty badass attack, but it happened in the last minute in the third round. 0.99

01:11:28.000 And I feel like I was fighting fucking awesome.

01:11:31.000 Round one, round two, four minutes into round three, got rocked, stood up, was like, okay, went back to the corner. 0.98

01:11:38.000 I don't really remember what happened in between the corner because I was so like, oh shit, like I just got rocked.

01:11:43.000 And for the first time ever in the fourth round, my legs weren't listening to what my eyes were seeing. 0.96

01:11:53.000 So I felt like I would see punches coming and my body just wouldn't get the fuck out of the way, which was crazy. 0.99

01:12:01.000 So I got my ass whooped in the fourth round. 0.99

01:12:03.000 And then when I went after the fourth, before the fifth, I remember taking this deep breath and being like, oh, okay, now I'm back to being myself. 0.99

01:12:14.000 But then in the fifth, I kind of had to fight a little bit compromised because I was like, well, fuck, if I get hit like that again, that could be lights out, you know?

01:12:23.000 But that actually helped me a lot in the song fight, because in the song fight I got rocked pretty early too. 0.93

01:12:29.000 Just got really excited, wanted to crack him with the right hand when I saw an opening. 0.99

01:12:34.000 And that motherfucker's song is fast, dude. 0.99

01:12:37.000 I had never fought someone that I think was that athletic and that fast in my life. 1.00

01:12:42.000 So I threw a right hand and song like fucking chambered his shoulder and threw like a hard left hook as I was turning back in and it rocked me.

01:12:50.000 And it didn't phase me anymore because I had been through it in the yawn fight. 0.66

01:12:54.000 So even though the yawn fight, I of course was upset because I lost, I took that away from it and I feel like it actually helped me win against song big time because after I got rocked, I was like, eh, I know that I'm okay. 0.99

01:13:07.000 Which is like, when it happens to you the first time, you're like, oh, fuck me. 0.95

01:13:11.000 I'm like, am I going to get knocked out now? 0.99

01:13:13.000 So it helped, but...

01:13:17.000 Yeah, I was like more or less happy with how I did.

01:13:20.000 Just got dropped, was compromised.

01:13:23.000 I'll get at him again, you know?

01:13:25.000 The song fight was amazing because I got to watch that as a spectator at the Apex.

01:13:30.000 Cool. 0.97

01:13:30.000 Which I fucking love. 0.97

01:13:32.000 I love fights at the Apex. 0.98

01:13:33.000 I think it's amazing.

01:13:35.000 I hate them. 0.77

01:13:38.000 I would imagine for an elite fighter when you're fighting a big opponent like Song Yudong it's a very important fight that you would want a giant roaring crowd and you want it to be at the T-Mobile but man as a fan to be able to especially where I get to sit like at the desk so I'm sitting there right there watching the cage and I don't have to work so I'm just listening and watching and fuck man what a great experience it is watching world class fights in that environment We can hear everything because 0.98

01:14:08.000 there was only like 100 people there, like maybe, right?

01:14:13.000 It's like only people that get invited.

01:14:14.000 So you're sitting there and watching world-class fights almost like it's in a gym.

01:14:20.000 Yeah.

01:14:21.000 Song's awesome too, man.

01:14:23.000 Like I really feel like that guy, I mean he lost...

01:14:26.000 To me, but that guy kind of gets slept on a little bit, man.

01:14:30.000 That's what we were talking about earlier.

01:14:31.000 There's so many people in that division.

01:14:33.000 I'm actually really curious to see how him and Ricky Simone, how that fight goes.

01:14:37.000 That's going to be a killer fight.

01:14:38.000 That's a great matchup.

01:14:39.000 Very exciting fight.

01:14:40.000 I'm really excited about Al Jermaine and Henry.

01:14:44.000 Yeah, that's super exciting, too.

01:14:45.000 I know. 0.97

01:14:47.000 At first, just being in the division and just the lens that I have to walk through life, I was like, man, fucking Henry's just coming back. 1.00

01:14:58.000 Motherfucker's getting a title shot. 1.00

01:14:59.000 But then, now I'm kind of like, oh shit, this is going to be a cool fight. 1.00

01:15:04.000 It's going to be exciting. 0.99

01:15:06.000 Yeah. 0.88

01:15:06.000 It sucks in one way because this guy sort of takes your place or takes a place. 0.88

01:15:12.000 Yeah. 0.51

01:15:12.000 But in another way, he brings a lot of eyeballs to the division, and also, he elevates everything. 0.51

01:15:20.000 That's the reality of Henry Cejudo. 0.99

01:15:22.000 That guy is a fucking Wolverine. 1.00

01:15:24.000 I mean, he really is. 0.99

01:15:26.000 He's good, too.

01:15:26.000 He's very good.

01:15:27.000 He's kind of dorky. 0.81

01:15:28.000 And I know that he tries to be dorky. 0.96

01:15:30.000 The cringe stuff?

01:15:31.000 Yeah.

01:15:32.000 But dude, when you watch that guy compete, I remember when I watched him fight Cruz, I always try to get a read on people, what their body language is saying, how their eyes look.

01:15:44.000 I feel like guys that do a lot of shifty-eyed stuff before a fight aren't always the most focused.

01:15:51.000 That might just be something that I think, and there's no science behind that, but...

01:15:54.000 I almost feel like I can, like, tell.

01:15:56.000 But when I watch Cejudo fight, I'm like, oh man, that guy's locked in, man.

01:16:00.000 Like, that guy is locked in.

01:16:01.000 He's a hell of a competitor.

01:16:03.000 Yeah, an elite competitor.

01:16:05.000 Won a gold medal at, like, 18. Yeah, gold medal in the Olympics, two-division world champ in MMA. I mean, he's a fucking monster.

01:16:12.000 And, you know, I think one of his most impressive performances was Marlon Marais. 1.00

01:16:16.000 Because Marlon had him fucked up in that first round. 0.96

01:16:20.000 Marlon is probably one of the most talented guys that just can't be pushed past a certain level. 0.98

01:16:29.000 When he gets pushed to a certain level, the wheels fall off.

01:16:32.000 And it's very interesting.

01:16:33.000 I don't know if it's psychological, I don't know if it's because he cuts so much weight, if it's physical, if he doesn't have a large gas tank.

01:16:39.000 I don't know what it is.

01:16:40.000 But if I watch that first round, I'm like, oh my god, this guy's a world-beater.

01:16:44.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:16:44.000 Like, Jesus Christ, Marlon Marais is fucking Henry Cejudo up. 0.98

01:16:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:16:48.000 And then the second round, Henry made an adjustment and just started putting it on him. 0.99

01:16:52.000 Yeah, he did what he had to do. 1.00

01:16:53.000 He was like, alright, this shit ain't working. 1.00

01:16:55.000 We're going after this guy. 1.00

01:16:56.000 That was cool.

01:16:57.000 Yeah, Henry's a hell of a competitor.

01:16:58.000 You know who else is too, though?

01:17:00.000 Sterling, bro.

01:17:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:01.000 Sterling gets slept on as the champ.

01:17:04.000 And he's a hell of a competitor.

01:17:06.000 Yeah, he's a hell of a competitor.

01:17:07.000 Well, you saw that in the second Piotr Jan fight. 0.98

01:17:09.000 Because I think Piotr Jan felt like, I'm going to fuck this guy up. 0.99

01:17:12.000 He cheated. 0.98

01:17:13.000 He won the first fight by pretending he was hurt, which I don't think he was pretending at all.

01:17:18.000 But meanwhile, the guy gets an artificial disc put in his neck.

01:17:22.000 How do you have neck surgery? 1.00

01:17:23.000 Because his neck was fucked. 1.00

01:17:25.000 So that knee 100% fucked him up. 0.99

01:17:27.000 And then on top of that, he has to get this surgery where they're putting a titanium articulating disc in his neck. 0.54

01:17:33.000 And then he goes and fights again and then dominates.

01:17:37.000 That's a big deal.

01:17:37.000 Big deal.

01:17:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, Aljamain doesn't really...

01:17:41.000 He doesn't seem like a super boastful guy for himself.

01:17:45.000 I always kind of see him when I watch those things that I watch on Aljamain. 0.71

01:17:49.000 He's being silly and calling fights and all of this stuff. 0.57

01:17:53.000 He's not a super boastful guy on his own. 0.85

01:17:55.000 But he could be if he wanted to because he's a very good fighter and...

01:18:01.000 The neck surgery, that's a big deal, man, coming back from something like that.

01:18:05.000 It's a very big deal.

01:18:06.000 It's amazing that we have that kind of technology today, that they can replace discs in someone's neck to the point where they can fight in a world-class, in a world championship title fight.

01:18:16.000 It's pretty crazy.

01:18:18.000 What did you get out of your fight with him?

01:18:21.000 Sterling?

01:18:21.000 Yeah.

01:18:23.000 Not to fight like a pussy. 1.00

01:18:26.000 Don't go in there like a pussy. 1.00

01:18:28.000 No, I just wasn't... 1.00

01:18:30.000 I was kind of...

01:18:32.000 I don't know, man.

01:18:32.000 I just, like...

01:18:34.000 I went into that fight all wrong.

01:18:36.000 Like, I was just, like, way too calm.

01:18:39.000 Way too, like, I got this. 0.64

01:18:41.000 Like, just being a douche. 0.98

01:18:43.000 You know, like a freaking... 0.99

01:18:46.000 If one of my fighters was being like that, I'd be like, hey man, you were kind of a douche. 0.99

01:18:50.000 You thought that you were just going to walk through that guy.

01:18:52.000 You didn't get up at all.

01:18:54.000 And part of it wasn't because I thought that I was so much better than Aljamain.

01:18:58.000 I think part of it was probably just a compensation inside me that was like... 0.95

01:19:03.000 Somehow afraid to lose so I was just trying to be like some type of character or whatever you know but but long story short I wasn't up enough at all and Aljamain was up here and I was like here and here is not where you want to be for a fight so I remember being in that fight and being like, is this fucking guy on my back right now? 0.93

01:19:26.000 I was like, how the hell did he get there? 0.64

01:19:28.000 This isn't how this is supposed to be going. 1.00

01:19:30.000 Just dumb shit like that. 1.00

01:19:32.000 Adolescent competitor type shit. 1.00

01:19:35.000 After that fight, that's when I was like... 0.99

01:19:38.000 I'm getting this shit down now like I'm figuring out how to show up every single night So you think that's a part of the important one of the important things that happens in the process of becoming a great fighter Is that you have to make those mistakes in order to learn and feel the pain of that? 0.69

01:19:53.000 To know that you have to make some adjustments and you have to make some changes I think I think from my personal experience Like I always try to catch mistakes before they actually become like problems, but in my experience in life The things that I've really fixed haven't been until after I've cracked or had something horrible happen. 0.96

01:20:14.000 When that happens in life, I feel like you just take things way, way more serious because it becomes a reality.

01:20:21.000 If you kind of know something's like, that's a problem, but I don't really have to worry about that problem right now because it's not in my face.

01:20:28.000 But you're always kind of like...

01:20:30.000 That might be a problem one day and then it actually becomes a problem. 0.98

01:20:33.000 Then you fix that shit, you know, like actually after that fight I'll spend a like a lot of time just you know in my car whenever just thinking to myself I'd be like is there anything that I'm doing right now that I will hate myself for if I lose this next fight and like what do I need to fix so that that shit doesn't happen, 0.98

01:20:53.000 you know, and I'm like constantly always asking myself those types of questions where I'm just like Look man If like say you lost tomorrow, would you change anything right now? 0.99

01:21:05.000 And like I asked myself that like a lot a lot.

01:21:08.000 Mmm You said something the last time we were on the podcast that I actually put up a clip of the other day because it was it's such a profound thing You said he said I wish I could win every fight and feel like I lost Yeah. 0.93

01:21:26.000 I mean, maybe not, because now that I'm on the winning side of shit, it feels pretty good. 0.64

01:21:35.000 So maybe I don't mean that. 0.96

01:21:38.000 As far, but it is, like, the better way to, like, become great, you know?

01:21:43.000 It's a better way to become great. 0.88

01:21:44.000 Like, even, like, I was wrestling with Banks the other day before we came out here, and I was like, hey, like, I'm fucking this up, this up, this up, this up. 0.87

01:21:51.000 Like, I need to get better at this, this. 0.70

01:21:53.000 Like, these are the next steps, blah, blah, blah, you know?

01:21:55.000 So, I have really embraced that. 1.00

01:21:58.000 I'm glad that I don't actually have to feel like a loser, because that shit really, really sucks. 0.99

01:22:02.000 But, yeah, I, uh... 1.00

01:22:05.000 This shit is a marathon, man. 1.00

01:22:07.000 Like, it's a marathon. 1.00

01:22:08.000 It's an ultra-marathon.

01:22:09.000 It's an ultra-marathon, and it's gonna last for hopefully the next six, seven years of my life, so...

01:22:13.000 How old are you now?

01:22:14.000 30. So 37, you think, is the exit strategy?

01:22:18.000 Yeah, tentatively.

01:22:19.000 That seems like for a natural athlete, that's the tail end of your efficiency, your body's ability to perform at the highest levels.

01:22:27.000 I don't want to have my, like, wife and kids watch me get knocked out a bunch of times.

01:22:31.000 You know, like, I don't want to go out like that, you know?

01:22:34.000 I mentioned Chris Gutierrez, but that last Frankie fight, when Chris knocked out Frankie, I was like, I was very apprehensive about that fight, because I knew that Frankie had had hip replacement surgery, and, you know, I mean, he's been around for so long.

01:22:47.000 I mean, he beat BJ Penn for the title in Abu Dhabi in, like, what was that, 2006 or something?

01:22:55.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 When was that?

01:22:57.000 It was a long time ago.

01:22:58.000 It was when Anderson Silva fought Damian Maia.

01:23:01.000 Dang. 0.93

01:23:02.000 That was a long fucking time ago. 0.98

01:23:04.000 And then, you know, you think about those wars that he had with Grey Maynard and all the fights that Frankie's been in. 0.93

01:23:10.000 And to see his kids in the audience for that fight, I'm like, oh god, they're gonna come see this fight?

01:23:15.000 Dude. 0.92

01:23:15.000 And Goody Ares, he's nasty. 0.92

01:23:17.000 He's so good. 0.73

01:23:18.000 He is really good.

01:23:19.000 Bro, when they took that fight, I was like...

01:23:21.000 Why?

01:23:22.000 Why?

01:23:22.000 Not to be offensive towards anyone, but I was like, Chris is good, man.

01:23:26.000 He's very good.

01:23:26.000 Chris is really good.

01:23:27.000 And he doesn't get the attention he deserves because he's in this fucking insane division. 0.97

01:23:33.000 There's so many guys. 1.00

01:23:35.000 So many fucking guys in this division. 1.00

01:23:38.000 What a wild ass... 1.00

01:23:40.000 135-pound division. 0.99

01:23:42.000 It's crazy.

01:23:42.000 Yeah, it is crazy.

01:23:43.000 It's exciting. 1.00

01:23:44.000 Fuck, it's exciting. 1.00

01:23:45.000 Yeah, it's fucking cool. 1.00

01:23:47.000 And it's so interesting to me that, you know, other than Brandon Moreno and Davidson Figueredo and, you know, there's a few guys at 125 that people care about, that division doesn't get nothing compared to the 135-pound. 0.95

01:24:00.000 135-pound division sells out at T-Bobile Arena. 0.93

01:24:04.000 You know, it's a fucking huge pay-per-view fight. 0.90

01:24:07.000 125, people are like, that's too small. 0.99

01:24:09.000 Yeah.

01:24:09.000 It's weird.

01:24:10.000 Yeah, it is weird.

01:24:11.000 Hmm.

01:24:12.000 Yeah, Moreno's a badass, too.

01:24:14.000 I love Moreno.

01:24:15.000 I love that, too.

01:24:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:16.000 I love that he's into Legos. 1.00

01:24:18.000 I love that shit, dude. 1.00

01:24:20.000 Is he? 1.00

01:24:20.000 Dude, yeah. 1.00

01:24:21.000 And then...

01:24:22.000 Yeah, what was it?

01:24:23.000 Perea was wearing like some Pokemon jean jacket or something.

01:24:26.000 Perea was?

01:24:27.000 Really?

01:24:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:24:28.000 He could wear whatever the fuck he wants. 0.97

01:24:29.000 Yeah, for real, dude. 0.93

01:24:31.000 So I shook that guy's hand.

01:24:32.000 So actually, I have a lot of respect for that, dude.

01:24:34.000 I'll give him like a...

01:24:35.000 So after he had won the belt, the next week his sister was fighting in like the middle of nowhere, Iowa. 1.00

01:24:43.000 And I was there cornering one of my buddies.

01:24:45.000 Or one of my teammates.

01:24:46.000 And he was there helping his sister.

01:24:49.000 And I was like, oh man, that's cool to me.

01:24:52.000 You just won a world title against one of the best champions that the UFC has had in years.

01:24:58.000 And then you're in the middle of nowhere.

01:25:02.000 It was like an hour 30 just to the airport.

01:25:05.000 Yeah, yeah, so but anyways dude, I shook that guy's hand and it was like shaking like one of these things man It was like his hand was like this big huge.

01:25:13.000 Yeah, he's a genetic freak Yeah, there's a lot going on with that guy is incredibly mentally tough.

01:25:19.000 He's he's got Insanity in those the power punches and strikes is You we watch him hit guys and they you can tell like right away. 1.00

01:25:29.000 They're like, oh fuck Like, you could see it. 0.99

01:25:32.000 He puts it on them, and they're like, oh, Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:25:35.000 Like, the danger is so high.

01:25:37.000 He's got that one-punch KO power, one-strike KO power, and he's so intelligent about how to place it on a chin.

01:25:45.000 He really knows how to hit people there. 0.98

01:25:46.000 And then on top of that, he's fucking enormous. 0.99

01:25:49.000 Yeah, he's big. 0.99

01:25:50.000 You can't believe that guy weighs 185 pounds.

01:25:53.000 You know, I walk around, I'm probably like 200 pounds. 0.99

01:25:56.000 How the fuck is that guy 15 pounds lighter than me? 0.99

01:25:58.000 He's so much bigger than me. 1.00

01:26:00.000 He's huge!

01:26:01.000 And then you see him get into the cage, he's like 225 when he fights, when he rehydrates, which is just bananas.

01:26:09.000 Seriously.

01:26:10.000 So, like, I was actually watching Izzy and Perea, the first fight recently, and he has his hands in a spot, too, where he's almost like...

01:26:18.000 Like, hit me.

01:26:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:26:19.000 Like, come on, hit me. 0.99

01:26:20.000 He's almost beating you.

01:26:21.000 Yeah, because he you know like that size of a guy Fighting a guy like Israel that that to me is where I like really understand Why that fight went the way that it went a little bit is because when someone that big Compared to you is standing there kind of like this and just like marching you down with their hands down and It's a little bit intimidating to just be like, well, do I just like nail this guy? 0.99

01:26:43.000 You know, because if he slips and I like don't hit him, he's gonna like chuck and fuck me up.

01:26:49.000 So I think that that's a little bit of like a giant advantage for for that dude. 0.97

01:26:55.000 It's also he's got a very unusual stance.

01:26:57.000 He stands straight up and he keeps his hands like this and he just sort of like straight and then he throws kicks with no telegraph and he doesn't throw in full power but he's got so much power that when he starts throwing those low kicks I watched the first fight a few times now, the first MMA fight, and he fucked Izzy's calf up multiple times in that first round with zero telegraph.

01:27:22.000 So it's not like one of those, like, dig in and turn your body over.

01:27:26.000 It's just...

01:27:27.000 He's just top just throw it and it doesn't come out of anywhere You're not you know, you're not seeing any reads.

01:27:32.000 Yeah Yeah, those are the toughest guys to fight honestly the guys that don't telegraph anything Yeah, you know, you're plenty powerful just having all that adrenaline in you You don't need to be loading up too much that said if you go back and watch the first fight Izzy was winning that fight.

01:27:46.000 Izzy was winning the grappling exchanges, he took him down, controlled him on the ground, and he was doing great in the striking, rocked him in the first round, had him in real trouble.

01:27:55.000 That first round is 30 seconds longer, Izzy retains his title.

01:27:58.000 So it's one of those things that's like, this is not a mismatch, and it's not like, boy, I feel so hard for Izzy.

01:28:07.000 No, it's like, whoa, how is this gonna go down?

01:28:09.000 How is this gonna go down?

01:28:10.000 And when you got a guy with a mind like Izzy's, Where he's so fucking determined and so smart and so laser focused.

01:28:17.000 He thinks he's got the solution. 0.58

01:28:20.000 He thinks he's got it.

01:28:22.000 He's gonna figure it out.

01:28:23.000 And then you've got this other thing where when someone becomes a champion, there's this sort of school of thought that they almost immediately become 10 or 20% better.

01:28:32.000 Yep.

01:28:32.000 I have heard that.

01:28:34.000 I wonder why.

01:28:34.000 I mean, yeah, they were saying that with Leon and Usman.

01:28:37.000 Mm-hmm.

01:28:38.000 Yeah, huh.

01:28:38.000 I wonder why.

01:28:39.000 Well, Leon certainly looked better in the second fight, but I feel like Kamaru looked a little apprehensive.

01:28:47.000 I felt like in that fight, like maybe there was something going on.

01:28:50.000 So Izzy's the favorite.

01:28:53.000 I mean, he was winning most of the fight.

01:28:55.000 Interesting.

01:28:56.000 Yeah, but he lost by TKO. I mean, that's very interesting.

01:29:01.000 Very interesting.

01:29:02.000 Look at the 7-1 versus 23-2 or something.

01:29:05.000 Yeah, crazy with MMA. Yeah, that's true.

01:29:09.000 I mean, it's a very close line that could change easily if more money comes in on Pajero.

01:29:16.000 You know, 135 and 115 is almost like a pick-em fight.

01:29:20.000 You a big bettor?

01:29:21.000 No.

01:29:21.000 No, I don't bet on anything.

01:29:23.000 Now you can't bet when you work for the UFC. Yeah, yeah.

01:29:25.000 But I was never really before.

01:29:27.000 I hate losing money.

01:29:28.000 First time I went to Las Vegas and I like lost 20 bucks in like three minutes. 0.99

01:29:32.000 I was like, fuck this. 0.99

01:29:33.000 This is not for me. 1.00

01:29:34.000 Well, that's good. 0.92

01:29:35.000 It's also something silly. 0.88

01:29:36.000 Like you can't control it.

01:29:38.000 I mean, I guess you can if you're really good at poker or blackjack or something like that.

01:29:41.000 But it's just like, I'm not interested in that.

01:29:44.000 No.

01:29:44.000 Do you play those games?

01:29:45.000 No.

01:29:46.000 No?

01:29:46.000 I don't play any of that stuff.

01:29:47.000 I don't play anything where you don't have to execute.

01:29:49.000 I know, dude.

01:29:50.000 I don't like games where I can't use my body in some way.

01:29:53.000 Yeah.

01:29:54.000 That's why I like pool.

01:29:55.000 Because in pool, it's like strategy, there's all this thinking involved, but you have to make the shot.

01:30:01.000 You have to execute under pressure.

01:30:03.000 That's exciting to me.

01:30:04.000 Like, picking a card?

01:30:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:06.000 Like, anybody can do it.

01:30:07.000 You can be dead and you can play poker.

01:30:08.000 That's true.

01:30:09.000 You can play digital poker, like video poker.

01:30:13.000 Dude, the people that sit at the things and hit the button all day?

01:30:16.000 Oh my god.

01:30:17.000 What are you doing?

01:30:18.000 I know that poker's a very intelligent game, and I respect it and appreciate it, and the guys who win all the time, they're elite thinkers, for sure.

01:30:26.000 I mean, they're obsessed people.

01:30:29.000 I'm too physical.

01:30:30.000 I like things that you do with your body.

01:30:33.000 Yeah, me too.

01:30:33.000 I'm the same.

01:30:34.000 Because it's also mental, because you have to control the body.

01:30:37.000 Controlling the body is one of the most exciting things about competition, is that you know that there's a lot of pressure, but you have to perform while you're under pressure.

01:30:44.000 You ever play spikeball?

01:30:46.000 No.

01:30:46.000 Do you know what it is?

01:30:47.000 No.

01:30:48.000 It's like that little black and gold game.

01:30:51.000 It's like a little net that they put on the ground.

01:30:54.000 It's like a park game.

01:30:55.000 You hit the ball at the net and then it's two versus two.

01:30:58.000 You've never seen that?

01:30:58.000 No.

01:30:59.000 Oh, that's our game, dude.

01:31:00.000 That's going to be my second career.

01:31:02.000 Really?

01:31:02.000 Oh, dude, I love spike ball, bro.

01:31:04.000 We play on the team.

01:31:06.000 We'll get a bunch of the guys on Saturdays in the summertime.

01:31:09.000 It's this game.

01:31:10.000 So it's pretty much like volleyball.

01:31:12.000 It's like two versus two, but it's a 360 degree game.

01:31:18.000 It's like volleyball, but instead of hitting it over the net, you hit it at the net.

01:31:21.000 But dude, it is so...

01:31:23.000 You just dive around, you pass the ball back, you get three hits, you hit the board.

01:31:28.000 Oh, that's wild.

01:31:29.000 Dude, this game is so fun.

01:31:31.000 That does look fun.

01:31:32.000 It's super fun.

01:31:33.000 Yeah, that's going to be my second career.

01:31:35.000 How am I never hearing of this until now?

01:31:38.000 Have you heard of this, Jamie?

01:31:39.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:31:40.000 This is 2016?

01:31:41.000 It's pretty new, though.

01:31:42.000 It's a little new.

01:31:43.000 It's like picking up some steam.

01:31:45.000 Oh, this would be a good game for the beach.

01:31:46.000 Look at this.

01:31:47.000 This is crazy.

01:31:48.000 It's been on ESPN and whatnot.

01:31:50.000 Oh, wow.

01:31:50.000 Dude, it's so fun.

01:31:52.000 That looks fun!

01:31:52.000 It's super fun.

01:31:53.000 That's going to be your next thing?

01:31:54.000 I think so.

01:31:55.000 You've got to preserve your knees if you want to play that.

01:31:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:31:58.000 There's a lot of cutting and jumping and moving around.

01:32:01.000 Yeah, we play.

01:32:05.000 Unfortunately, no one's really good enough to keep up anymore.

01:32:08.000 I know the guys are going to hate that I say that.

01:32:10.000 Really?

01:32:10.000 You're getting really good at it?

01:32:11.000 Yeah, I think I'm going to join a team and shit. 0.99

01:32:14.000 I honestly think I'm going to join a summer league. 1.00

01:32:16.000 Is that your shit? 1.00

01:32:17.000 It is my shit, dude. 1.00

01:32:18.000 Wow. 1.00

01:32:19.000 I love it.

01:32:20.000 Wow.

01:32:20.000 I don't have any other hobbies.

01:32:21.000 I'm thinking about starting fishing just because I like doing shit outside. 0.98

01:32:25.000 You live in Colorado. 0.99

01:32:26.000 A lot of great fishing.

01:32:27.000 Yeah, I just don't know if it's going to be my thing or not.

01:32:30.000 It's fun. 0.99

01:32:30.000 Fucking stand there. 0.99

01:32:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:32:32.000 I don't know if it's my thing.

01:32:33.000 But spike ball is my thing.

01:32:35.000 You should start bow hunting.

01:32:36.000 Really? 1.00

01:32:36.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:32:37.000 I got my old roommates super into bow hunting. 1.00

01:32:39.000 That's... 1.00

01:32:40.000 Dude, I've done a lot of shit. 1.00

01:32:42.000 Bow hunting. 1.00

01:32:43.000 Like bow hunting a screaming elk.

01:32:45.000 That is one of the wildest things.

01:32:47.000 Really?

01:32:47.000 It's so exciting.

01:32:48.000 What do you mean screaming elk?

01:32:49.000 They scream.

01:32:50.000 They...

01:32:51.000 Like when you hit them?

01:32:52.000 No.

01:32:53.000 They're mating, and so they're screaming at each other and fighting. 1.00

01:32:56.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:32:57.000 So you're dealing with these 900-pound animals with giant antlers smashing into each other, and you're creeping up on them. 0.99

01:33:03.000 You're trying to avoid the wind, and it's very physically taxing because you're in the mountains, so you have to get up to the top of the hills where these guys are, and you have to be able to...

01:33:13.000 That's what they sound like.

01:33:17.000 Where do you do that?

01:33:19.000 I do it in all of the western states.

01:33:22.000 Utah is one of my favorite places to go.

01:33:24.000 I love going there.

01:33:26.000 I go to California.

01:33:27.000 I hunt in California and Central California every year.

01:33:30.000 I like to go to Colorado.

01:33:32.000 I'm going to try to get to Arizona either this year or next year.

01:33:37.000 They got elk in Arizona?

01:33:38.000 Oh yeah, huge elk.

01:33:39.000 Where do they live?

01:33:40.000 Well, a lot of them, they have in these Apache reservations down there.

01:33:45.000 Oh, cool.

01:33:45.000 And, you know, you buy a tag from the reservation.

01:33:49.000 And they're fucking enormous. 0.96

01:33:51.000 It's the most exciting thing. 0.99

01:33:53.000 Like, Derek Wolf, who, you know, won the Super Bowl, competed in the NFL, he said, sacking Tom Brady's great, but it's not as fun as elk hunting.

01:34:02.000 Oh, cool.

01:34:02.000 Which is crazy.

01:34:03.000 Like, shooting an elk with your bow, he said, is more exciting than sacking Tom Brady.

01:34:08.000 And then you gotta go, like, find it, right?

01:34:10.000 Well, hopefully you don't have to fight it, no.

01:34:12.000 Generally with a good shot, it's not going very far.

01:34:15.000 It's really just about practice and it's really just about, you know, Bow hunting is one of those things where you look at it, you're like, oh, you just shoot an arrow at the animal.

01:34:25.000 And then once you start doing it, you're like, oh, there's so many layers to this thing.

01:34:29.000 And there's also layers to execution in archery, which requires constant practice.

01:34:35.000 Archery is something that's a completely perishable skill. 0.99

01:34:38.000 If I take, like, a few weeks off of archery, and then I go back, I'm like, oh, fucking... 0.98

01:34:43.000 It all feels weird. 0.94

01:34:45.000 But then if I'm practicing every day, I kind of know where that arrow's going.

01:34:50.000 When I release that arrow, I just watch it.

01:34:52.000 There's something about shooting an 80-yard shot and watching it go right into the center of the target.

01:34:58.000 Dang.

01:34:58.000 It's amazing.

01:34:59.000 Yeah, I don't even know if I could see that far.

01:35:01.000 Nah, you can.

01:35:03.000 80 yards?

01:35:04.000 But doing it on an animal like that, it's next level.

01:35:08.000 I mean, I wouldn't shoot 80 yards, but you shoot long.

01:35:12.000 I mean, I shot 70 yards.

01:35:14.000 I've shot an elk at 70 yards. 0.97

01:35:16.000 But I only did it because I fucking practice every day for hours and hours, and I'm 100% confident in the shot. 1.00

01:35:23.000 But it's a mindfuck. 0.99

01:35:25.000 It's exciting. 0.99

01:35:26.000 It's primal.

01:35:28.000 And the meat is sensational. 0.99

01:35:30.000 And you have fucking a year's worth of meat from one animal. 0.99

01:35:34.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:35:34.000 I'm definitely going to get into that at some point. 0.99

01:35:36.000 That's fine.

01:35:37.000 Maybe just once, though. 0.98

01:35:37.000 I don't want to fucking practice. 0.98

01:35:39.000 You would like archery. 0.99

01:35:40.000 Really?

01:35:40.000 Yeah, man.

01:35:41.000 It's one of those things where...

01:35:44.000 While you're pulling that bow back and centering the bubble and centering your peep sight and putting that dot on the target and you're drawing back, there's nothing else in your mind.

01:35:55.000 Cool.

01:35:55.000 You have no room for anything else.

01:35:57.000 It's all about all the different physical things that have to be in play.

01:36:01.000 Your elbow has to be high.

01:36:03.000 You're pulling with your back muscles.

01:36:05.000 You're relaxing your shoulder.

01:36:07.000 The grip has to be light, but yet you're still stabilizing the bow.

01:36:11.000 So it's this dance of muscle and thought.

01:36:14.000 And then with perfect execution, when you watch that arrow strike the target, it's so satisfying.

01:36:21.000 Dude, wouldn't it be cool to be a Mongolian warrior doing that by horseback?

01:36:25.000 Isn't that how they used to mess up all of the other...

01:36:28.000 Yeah.

01:36:28.000 Because that was their top weapon.

01:36:30.000 They would just send out...

01:36:34.000 They did so many things that were horrific.

01:36:36.000 They were incredible.

01:36:38.000 Dude, old school war was...

01:36:39.000 Old school isn't the right term for it, but like...

01:36:42.000 Yeah, old school war.

01:36:43.000 Old school war was badass.

01:36:44.000 Mongol war.

01:36:45.000 Yeah.

01:36:45.000 If you could watch...

01:36:46.000 I mean, watching the Mongols sack a city and kill a million people and stack their bodies on top of each other... 1.00

01:36:52.000 Did you ever read, there's a great audiobook series.

01:36:57.000 It's really a podcast, but it really is more like an audiobook.

01:37:00.000 Dan Carlin's Hardcore History.

01:37:02.000 Yep, I love his podcast.

01:37:03.000 Did you ever hear Wrath of the Khans?

01:37:05.000 No.

01:37:05.000 It's the best one.

01:37:06.000 Oh, really?

01:37:07.000 It's the best one.

01:37:07.000 I'll listen to it.

01:37:08.000 It's all about Genghis Khan and his family. 0.69

01:37:11.000 Dude, they killed 10% of the population of Earth while he was alive.

01:37:16.000 They killed so many people that they affected the carbon footprint of human beings on Earth.

01:37:21.000 When they do core samples of the Earth, there's like a considerable decrease in the carbon layer on Earth when Genghis Khan was alive because they killed so many people. 0.96

01:37:32.000 Why would he do that?

01:37:33.000 He was a bad man. 1.00

01:37:34.000 What an asshole. 1.00

01:37:36.000 Very bad man. 1.00

01:37:37.000 Very bad man. 1.00

01:37:38.000 And, you know, he fucked so many women and raped so many women that his genes are in a high percentage of the people that still exist there today. 1.00

01:37:47.000 It's something nuts, right? 1.00

01:37:49.000 We've Googled this before.

01:37:51.000 What is the number?

01:37:52.000 It's something crazy.

01:37:53.000 Jamie will find it.

01:37:54.000 But when he was alive, they killed somewhere between 50 and 60 million people.

01:37:59.000 Jeez.

01:38:00.000 Yeah.

01:38:00.000 Like 10% of the world's population.

01:38:02.000 Oh, my God.

01:38:03.000 Yeah.

01:38:04.000 Like one out of ten people on earth was killed by the Mongols. 0.98

01:38:07.000 That's gonna take me a minute to digest.

01:38:09.000 So a 2003 study found evidence that Genghis Khan's DNA is present in about 16 million men alive today.

01:38:16.000 The Mongolian ruler's genetic prowess has stood... 0.91

01:38:19.000 That's a nice way to say he raped a lot of people. 0.97

01:38:21.000 His genetic prowess has stood as an unparalleled accomplishment. 0.91

01:38:25.000 But he isn't the only man whose reproductive activities are still so significant genetic impact centuries later.

01:38:30.000 Yeah.

01:38:30.000 And what's crazy is that that was like one of the superpowers of the world that everyone was terrified of, the Mongol Empire.

01:38:37.000 And now, nothing.

01:38:39.000 Yeah.

01:38:40.000 Like, no one's scared of the Mongols. 0.99

01:38:41.000 Yeah.

01:38:41.000 I mean, obviously they're scared of Mongol fighters and they're tough people, but there's no, like, considerable army.

01:38:46.000 Yeah.

01:38:46.000 Which is really crazy if you think about that.

01:38:48.000 It is. 1.00

01:38:49.000 A thousand years ago, if you went back and talked to them, they're like, we're going to run this shit forever. 1.00

01:38:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:38:53.000 Dude, I used to, back when I was trying to get into Warmind, I would just Google the most badass warriors in time. 1.00

01:39:00.000 And I'm an idiot, so I forget everything after a month of learning something. 0.65

01:39:05.000 But one of the warriors was this Aztec dude. 0.98

01:39:09.000 And he got captured by the other team, whoever it was.

01:39:14.000 They took him, they cut off his hands to try to just make him miserable for his entire life.

01:39:19.000 They sent him back to his camp.

01:39:20.000 This guy like glues on knives onto his hands and then just commits the rest of his life to just like killing all of these people that like did that.

01:39:29.000 And that to me though...

01:39:30.000 Jesus Christ.

01:39:30.000 Yeah, this might be him.

01:39:33.000 Jesus Christ.

01:39:34.000 According to legend, after his right hand was cut off by the Spanish, Galvarino boldly held up his left hand, offering up for his captives to amputate.

01:39:42.000 Oh, after his right hand was cut off.

01:39:44.000 He offered up his left hand to the captives to amputate.

01:39:47.000 He displayed no emotion as it was cut off, and his facial features recorded no pain.

01:39:52.000 The Spaniards ordered him to return to...

01:39:54.000 I can't say that word.

01:39:55.000 How's that?

01:39:56.000 Why can I say that word?

01:39:57.000 Coplican.

01:39:58.000 Coplican.

01:39:59.000 To urge him to surrender.

01:40:01.000 Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that this dude glued on knives on his hands.

01:40:05.000 And because that's the type of dude that I was trying to become sometimes.

01:40:09.000 Where I'm like, yeah, my life is committed to...

01:40:11.000 Look at that.

01:40:13.000 That is wild.

01:40:15.000 Imagine being that guy, though, and just having that amount of hatred inside of you to be like, you know what?

01:40:20.000 We're gluing these on and we're going back.

01:40:23.000 Jesus Christ.

01:40:23.000 Yeah, that'd be crazy.

01:40:25.000 I sometimes think when you grow up in a society like that, and there's not a lot going on, you probably get pretty bored and commit your life to weird stuff like that.

01:40:34.000 Well, I bet he was committed to that the way you're committed to fighting.

01:40:37.000 It's probably the same kind of thing.

01:40:38.000 If you're going to be a warrior, you have to be all in.

01:40:41.000 And you've got to know there's other warriors like you out there, and you've got to be better than them.

01:40:45.000 Or harder than them. 0.99

01:40:46.000 When I had Tyson on, I brought up Genghis Khan, and his fucking eyes lit up. 0.99

01:40:51.000 He knows so much about like Genghis Khan. 0.98

01:40:54.000 First of all, he knew his name was Temujin.

01:40:56.000 His real name was Temujin.

01:40:57.000 That's his born name.

01:40:58.000 And he told the story about his brother, about how his brother was stealing fish from him and his other brother.

01:41:04.000 So he killed his brother and his mother freaked out that he killed his brother. 0.99

01:41:06.000 But he was a fucking killer from the womb, like from the time he was young. 0.99

01:41:12.000 And went on to form this empire that to this day, Is one of the most frightening forces in the history of humanity. 1.00

01:41:21.000 Like what they did.

01:41:23.000 There's this guy who was the Shah of Chorisma had sent an emissary to Jin China to go to see whether or not they should invade or conquer them or what was going on there.

01:41:35.000 And as they were headed to the city, they saw in the distance what they thought was a snow-covered mountain.

01:41:41.000 And as they got closer, they realized that it was a stack of bones.

01:41:46.000 There was a stack of bodies.

01:41:48.000 Everyone in the city had been murdered.

01:41:50.000 They had to abandon the roads along the way because they were so littered with human bodies that were decaying that the roads had become mud.

01:41:57.000 And caked with filth and just human decay.

01:42:01.000 It was like decaying people had destroyed the roads.

01:42:05.000 Dang.

01:42:06.000 There was so much decay that the roads had become mud.

01:42:10.000 Gang, that's a pretty sad time in history to probably be a part of.

01:42:14.000 They would set up outside of cities, of walled cities, and just camp out until people ran out of food.

01:42:20.000 And then when they started killing people, they would put them on a catapult, light them on fire, and launch them onto the thatched roofs to start the buildings on fire.

01:42:29.000 Yeah, we don't have it too bad now, I guess, huh? 0.96

01:42:32.000 We have it pretty fucking easy. 0.76

01:42:33.000 Yeah, we got it pretty good, man. 0.99

01:42:34.000 Pretty fucking good. 0.98

01:42:34.000 Yeah, I think about it. 0.98

01:42:35.000 It's almost too good where I feel like the world's going to end pretty soon.

01:42:38.000 Well, I think you probably are on to something historically because, you know, that's that old thing that people always say.

01:42:45.000 Hard times create hard men.

01:42:47.000 Hard men create easy times.

01:42:49.000 Easy times create soft men.

01:42:51.000 Soft men create hard times.

01:42:53.000 We're at soft men create hard times.

01:42:55.000 Yeah, there's a Dune quote.

01:42:56.000 I just got done reading Dune and it goes something along the lines of like men made machines to try to free themselves when really what happened is the men with machines just decided to enslave a bunch of people where it's kind of like we're almost like making ourselves slaves to these machines.

01:43:13.000 Maybe even worse with AI. Oh yeah, that's pretty scary too.

01:43:17.000 AI is like right about to pop and people are just sitting back going, what's going on?

01:43:22.000 What's happening here?

01:43:23.000 What is that?

01:43:24.000 It's literally like the Enola Gay ready to drop a bomb in Hiroshima. 0.87

01:43:29.000 It's like right there.

01:43:30.000 You think that'll be it?

01:43:31.000 Is AI? I worry.

01:43:33.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:43:34.000 What would be the best?

01:43:35.000 I don't know.

01:43:36.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:43:36.000 Best case scenario?

01:43:37.000 Yeah, best case scenario.

01:43:38.000 Best case scenario is we incorporate it into our own biology.

01:43:40.000 And then we become some sort of new type of being that's like a cyborg.

01:43:45.000 Because if it's not that, then you're going to deal with an artificial intelligent life form.

01:43:49.000 That's so superior to us that it creates far superior versions of itself over and over again.

01:43:55.000 Because if it becomes autonomous and sentient, that means it can make decisions and do something. 1.00

01:43:59.000 It would go, well, my programming is dog shit. 0.96

01:44:01.000 Let me just figure out how to do this better, quantum computing, and do it with better technology and nuclear fusion, and figure out some way to have power that's not destroying the environment, and figure out a way to have something that's completely sustainable, and then go better and better than that. 0.96

01:44:16.000 You know what I hope that they do?

01:44:18.000 I hope that they can clone dinosaurs.

01:44:20.000 They're gonna do that.

01:44:21.000 I hope that the AI thing, I hope that that's what it commits itself to.

01:44:24.000 Well, they're already doing that with woolly mammoths. 0.98

01:44:26.000 They're cloning them?

01:44:26.000 Yes.

01:44:27.000 Cool.

01:44:27.000 There's a project that's going on right now where they're gonna reintroduce mammoths, woolly mammoths, to Siberia.

01:44:35.000 And the idea is that...

01:44:37.000 They're gonna reintroduce them?

01:44:38.000 Yeah.

01:44:39.000 What?

01:44:39.000 Yeah.

01:44:40.000 Why?

01:44:41.000 Why?

01:44:41.000 We'll see if you can find that, Jamie.

01:44:42.000 I gotta take a piss. 0.99

01:44:43.000 We'll come back and we'll talk about that because it's pretty fascinating shit. 1.00

01:44:47.000 Woolly mammoths. 0.99

01:44:47.000 Here we go. 0.99

01:44:48.000 So scientists are reincarnating the woolly mammoth to return in four years.

01:44:52.000 Interesting choice in words already.

01:44:55.000 Reincarnating?

01:44:56.000 What the hell? 0.82

01:44:57.000 That's scary. 0.88

01:44:59.000 That's not really what they're doing though, right?

01:45:01.000 But it's interesting too because 90% of all animals that have ever existed are dead.

01:45:06.000 They're extinct.

01:45:07.000 So it's like, are we gonna just keep doing this?

01:45:09.000 And what kind of consequences is that going to have for the animals that are alive right now?

01:45:14.000 Like, what if they start reintroducing saber-toothed tigers?

01:45:17.000 What if they start reintroducing, you know, all these animals that, at one point in time, dominated the Earth?

01:45:22.000 Dude, I wonder if a Jurassic Park will ever exist. 0.94

01:45:25.000 It fucking totally can exist. 0.98

01:45:26.000 Oh man, I hope it does. 0.99

01:45:27.000 I really hope it does.

01:45:28.000 I'll pay whatever. 1.00

01:45:29.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

01:45:30.000 I'll pay whatever they ask to see a velociraptor. 1.00

01:45:34.000 Oh my god.

01:45:35.000 Any amount of money.

01:45:36.000 We know how that ends.

01:45:36.000 That ends bad.

01:45:38.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:45:39.000 I'm killing all of us. 0.98

01:45:40.000 Yeah, no one stopped to ask, should we do it? 0.99

01:45:42.000 Yeah.

01:45:42.000 That's like one of my favorite lines from the movie.

01:45:44.000 I mean, it adds bad in the movie.

01:45:45.000 It ends bad in the movie. 1.00

01:45:46.000 In real life, you have fucking jets just flying as you nuke these fucks. 1.00

01:45:50.000 That crazy fucking raptor T-Rex. 1.00

01:45:53.000 No one can stop that one. 1.00

01:45:54.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

01:45:55.000 The Indominus Rex.

01:45:57.000 But that's just like the silliness of two, three, four, five. 0.99

01:46:00.000 You know, Jurassic One was the shit. 0.99

01:46:02.000 That was really what it was at. 0.99

01:46:03.000 Like, what did you do?

01:46:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:46:05.000 You know, my favorite fucking part of the movie is Jeff Goldblum when he first sees the Brontosaurus when he's in the Jeep and he just, he gets up and he looks at that and they're like, what the fuck did you do? 1.00

01:46:17.000 You know? 0.99

01:46:18.000 I think that's possible, man.

01:46:20.000 I think they're probably going to do it eventually.

01:46:22.000 They have to, right?

01:46:23.000 It's a matter of time.

01:46:23.000 It's a matter of time before that happens.

01:46:25.000 It's probably a matter of time before we cure cancer and figure out how to live to 500 years.

01:46:30.000 It's a matter of time before anything, unless we blow ourselves up.

01:46:35.000 Unless we blow ourselves up, which is also real possible.

01:46:38.000 Or we get hit with an asteroid, which is also real possible.

01:46:41.000 That's the big one. 0.69

01:46:42.000 That would suck. 0.92

01:46:44.000 That's the big one. 0.86

01:46:44.000 I've been obsessed with that for years. 0.86

01:46:46.000 Really?

01:46:47.000 Yeah, because of my conversations with Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock.

01:46:51.000 And Graham Hancock is the one who did that.

01:46:54.000 There's a recent Netflix special, a series, it's really amazing, called Ancient Catastrophe, right?

01:47:00.000 Did I say it right?

01:47:00.000 Apocalypse.

01:47:01.000 Ancient Apocalypse. 0.89

01:47:02.000 And it's all about what's called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, which is somewhere around 11,800 years ago, the Earth got fucking pelted with asteroids.

01:47:14.000 And there's all this physical evidence in the form of nanodiamonds, these micro diamonds that are created upon impact when these giant rocks slam into the Earth, just the heat and the power and the pressure, and then also iridium.

01:47:29.000 Iridium, which is very common in space, but very rare on Earth.

01:47:33.000 There's a layer of iridium all over the Earth around this time, around 11,800 years ago.

01:47:39.000 And this also coincides with the end of the Ice Age.

01:47:42.000 And Randall Carlson's life's work has been explaining how this has...

01:47:48.000 This impact that happened and they know exactly what it is.

01:47:52.000 It's through a very specific meteor shower that we pass through every June and every November and that you see the meteor showers in the sky and everybody looks at them but passing through that occasionally a big one goes through and those big ones he thinks slammed into the ice that was covering North America because at that point in time during the ice age North America had a sheet of ice covering half of it that was like a mile, two miles high.

01:48:18.000 And all that stuff is what you see when you see the Great Lakes.

01:48:21.000 That's melted ice.

01:48:22.000 And that he thinks that it happened almost instantaneously.

01:48:26.000 And that these things slammed into the ice, they slammed into parts of the world, and that that is the flood story from the Bible.

01:48:34.000 That's the epic of Gilgamesh.

01:48:36.000 That's all these different things.

01:48:38.000 And it also shows why there's all these, like, super sophisticated structures that seem to be thousands of years older than they previously thought they were.

01:48:45.000 So what him and Graham Hancock have come up with, and that's what's in this ancient apocalypse documentary, is that at one point in time there was an incredibly sophisticated society that lived on Earth.

01:48:56.000 And that's the Africans, the Egyptians. 1.00

01:48:59.000 What they had done in, you know, whatever thousands of years it was that they built that stuff, because it's under dispute as to how old it really is.

01:49:06.000 It's at the very earliest, the very least, it's 2500 BC. But they think it's way older than that.

01:49:13.000 And these people had technology that we still don't understand.

01:49:18.000 We don't know what they used.

01:49:19.000 We don't know how they did it.

01:49:20.000 But they moved 2,300,000 stones that were tons, some of them from hundreds of miles.

01:49:28.000 They cut obelisks out of the mountains and moved them 1,000 miles.

01:49:32.000 They have no idea how they did it.

01:49:34.000 They have no idea what they used to cut them.

01:49:36.000 They have no idea what they used to move them.

01:49:38.000 And you're talking about people at that point in time You know, when you're dealing with 5,000, 6,000 years ago, we thought they were like hunter-gatherers.

01:49:46.000 Like, how did they do that?

01:49:47.000 If it's really 10,000 years old, 12,000 years old, 20,000 years old, what kind of sophisticated culture exists that went on a different path than we went on?

01:49:57.000 We went on the path of internal combustion engines and electricity And computers, they might have gone on a similarly advanced or more advanced way, but with a completely different angle.

01:50:10.000 They came at technology from a completely different space.

01:50:14.000 And that's what we see when we see those stone structures.

01:50:17.000 I'm worried that that could happen to us.

01:50:19.000 And I'm worried that if something like that did happen, there would be very little evidence.

01:50:24.000 Of the society that's left you'd have a small group of people that survived and lived in fucking utter barbaric Conditions and I think that's also why people are so fucking savage when you look at human beings like six thousand five thousand years ago What we're probably seeing, according to Graham Hancock and a lot of other people now at this point in time are coming to this conclusion, is a re-emergence of civilization, not the birth of civilization.

01:50:53.000 What we think of as the emergence of civilization, we think of Babylonia and ancient Sumer, and this is the first mathematics, the first written language, the first agriculture, and what they think now is this is just a rebirth of a complicated society, and that for the 6,000 years plus after the impacts, It was probably hell on Earth. 0.99

01:51:14.000 And the people that survived were fucking monsters. 0.99

01:51:18.000 Just monsters. 1.00

01:51:19.000 And that is probably why people were so fucking savage post the construction of this insanely complex civilization in Egypt. 0.98

01:51:29.000 I mean, what they did in Africa to this day is one of the most puzzling things that archaeologists have to ponder. 0.85

01:51:36.000 Like, how?

01:51:38.000 What is this insanely sophisticated society that existed that built these structures and left behind no record of how they did it?

01:51:48.000 All the burning of the Library of Alexandria, all the ancient work that they had, where they had passed down what had happened, all that was gone.

01:51:57.000 When they got attacked and they burnt down the library.

01:52:00.000 I know.

01:52:00.000 I love that.

01:52:02.000 So much of science is so unknown still.

01:52:04.000 Yeah.

01:52:05.000 Isn't that cool, man?

01:52:06.000 That's pretty cool.

01:52:07.000 Sometimes I think that our society gets super caught up on how sophisticated and how smart we all are and this and that.

01:52:14.000 I think it's like a nice reminder sometimes to have other people question things and just come up with different theories and ideas because it reminds everyone that we're not all as smart as we sometimes think.

01:52:28.000 Because I do think that we live in a society where we think that we're so much smarter than the humans that were around 5,000, 6,000 years ago when really it's the same body, same brain. 0.99

01:52:37.000 We just got more shit. 1.00

01:52:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:52:38.000 We probably aren't as smart as the Egyptians. 1.00

01:52:41.000 No.

01:52:42.000 It's really likely that what they had figured out, again, it's probably hard for us to understand what kind of technology they used because it doesn't exist anymore.

01:52:52.000 So someone would have to, like, figure something out that's some groundbreaking breakthrough technology that will people go, oh, that's how they did it, and then we'll know, and then we'll understand.

01:53:03.000 But right now, we're less sophisticated in terms of our ability to move stone and make stone construction than they are.

01:53:09.000 There's no evidence that there was big machines.

01:53:11.000 There's no hieroglyphs that show cranes.

01:53:14.000 So what? 0.99

01:53:14.000 What the fuck did they do? 0.99

01:53:15.000 No one knows. 0.99

01:53:17.000 Oh no, I don't even know how to use a compass.

01:53:20.000 I'd be like one of the first ones dead, dude.

01:53:23.000 A compass is easy.

01:53:24.000 Yeah, just keep it away from magnets.

01:53:26.000 It points towards the north.

01:53:27.000 Yeah, being from Colorado, I'm like, that way's west.

01:53:30.000 So that's nice.

01:53:31.000 But I think that it would be a shame if the world did end and there was people scattering to survive because I'd spend my whole life just learning how to fight and then probably be one of the first ones to die.

01:53:42.000 Because I have no directional, no survival skills at all.

01:53:46.000 You'd learn them.

01:53:46.000 People would learn them.

01:53:48.000 People adapt.

01:53:49.000 They adapt quickly.

01:53:50.000 We'd figure it out.

01:53:51.000 But you look at all these movies of apocalypses, it's all the same story.

01:53:56.000 Everybody reverts to barbarism.

01:53:58.000 It's just horrific conditions and people are terrible.

01:54:01.000 That's The Walking Dead.

01:54:02.000 It's like everything.

01:54:03.000 The Walking Dead is not really about zombies.

01:54:05.000 It's about what happens to people.

01:54:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:07.000 Yeah, shit, that would be sad. 1.00

01:54:09.000 Yeah, we're like building something that allows us to somehow or another change and evolve past our primate, savage ancestry. 1.00

01:54:20.000 But every time that goes away, we revert right back to it.

01:54:24.000 Every time society collapses, power goes out, no more food, you have to survive on your own, we go right back.

01:54:31.000 Yeah, that's a shame.

01:54:32.000 But we kind of know that.

01:54:33.000 That's why those movies are so appealing. 1.00

01:54:35.000 Because we know that if the shit went down, it would be horrible. 0.99

01:54:38.000 And people would do the worst things they possibly could in order to get by. 1.00

01:54:43.000 I wonder if I even would sometimes.

01:54:45.000 I wonder if I'd just be like, you know what?

01:54:46.000 I'm just not going to do that. 0.71

01:54:47.000 I'm just going to go in this corner and die. 1.00

01:54:49.000 Bro, you'd be fucking strapping animal skins on, making armor. 1.00

01:54:53.000 Yeah, you would. 0.99

01:54:54.000 Yeah.

01:54:55.000 You would.

01:54:55.000 You would take the same mentality that you have towards fighting and you would apply that towards war.

01:55:00.000 That's what I think.

01:55:01.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:55:02.000 Yeah.

01:55:03.000 I think it's a proxy for war.

01:55:04.000 I think MMA is a proxy for war. 0.92

01:55:06.000 I think it's like a thing that substitutes war.

01:55:09.000 What is inside of all of us.

01:55:11.000 It's why it's so appealing.

01:55:13.000 Yeah, that's why dudes love it.

01:55:14.000 And it's also why dudes love the fact that you can do that and still be cool to each other afterwards and hug. 0.80

01:55:19.000 Everybody loves a fucking war and then when dudes high-five and hug, it's very emotional. 0.86

01:55:25.000 Yeah, yeah, I agree. 0.99

01:55:26.000 Yeah, MMA is beautiful in so many ways.

01:55:29.000 We're transcending.

01:55:30.000 I mean, and I think that allows it.

01:55:33.000 It's like MMA is a way that humans transcend.

01:55:36.000 And you transcend the barbaric nature that you have and funnel it to something that's absolutely beautiful.

01:55:44.000 MMA is beautiful.

01:55:45.000 It is.

01:55:46.000 There was that famous thing where, who was that actress that said, she was talking about the arts, and she said, and not mix martial art. 0.93

01:55:53.000 Who was that?

01:55:54.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:55:54.000 Who was that?

01:55:55.000 Some older lady. 1.00

01:55:57.000 Meryl Streep.

01:55:57.000 Yeah, who was a great actress, but she doesn't know.

01:56:00.000 It's okay.

01:56:01.000 She's got some silly idea that she thinks acting is the end-all be-all and that's the arts. 1.00

01:56:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:56:07.000 Martial arts is a fucking art. 0.99

01:56:08.000 When I watched your performance against Marlon, that was artistic to me. 0.99

01:56:12.000 Thanks. 0.99

01:56:12.000 I was like, God damn, that's beautiful. 0.99

01:56:14.000 Thank you. 0.99

01:56:15.000 It's beautiful.

01:56:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:17.000 I think everything's an art if you get good enough at it and you love it enough.

01:56:21.000 Actually, you know what?

01:56:23.000 I love all of the arts.

01:56:25.000 I love poetry, music, all of it.

01:56:27.000 Comedy.

01:56:28.000 I think that it's beautiful that you guys sit in a room, think of all kinds of cool shit about life that's funny, write it down, and then go perform it on stage. 0.86

01:56:36.000 That's pretty cool.

01:56:37.000 It's a fun art.

01:56:38.000 It's a fun art.

01:56:39.000 I get jealous of you guys because your guys' job is to sit there, come up with funny stuff that connects with people, and that's what you guys do.

01:56:50.000 And the performing piece, of course, but just the writing out stuff that connects with people, that sounds like a really beautiful...

01:56:57.000 It's like writing music or something.

01:56:59.000 It's a fun gig, and I've been doing it for 30-plus years, and I'm still obsessed with it.

01:57:03.000 What's your favorite part about it?

01:57:05.000 The creation of new stuff, for sure.

01:57:07.000 Yeah, that's my favorite part about fighting, too.

01:57:09.000 Interesting.

01:57:10.000 It's what keeps you interested.

01:57:12.000 Yeah.

01:57:12.000 There's probably parallels in everything.

01:57:14.000 Like when you learn a new skill, when you have a new thing, and then you can execute it, and it becomes a thing.

01:57:19.000 One of the things that I love about comedy, too, is that you have to constantly come up with new stuff. 0.98

01:57:23.000 And the audience, you know, they want to hear some of the old stuff because they love the bits, but they really want to hear that new shit. 0.99

01:57:29.000 Like, hit me with some surprise shit. 0.97

01:57:30.000 What's some new stuff you've been working on? 0.98

01:57:32.000 And that's one of the cool things about this place that I opened, The Mothership, is that it's designed entirely for the creation of comedy.

01:57:40.000 We have two shows in the little room every night and two shows in the big room every night.

01:57:44.000 And comics are hopping back and forth from one show to the other.

01:57:48.000 And we have this thing that my friend Brian Simpson hosts this show called Bottom of the Barrel.

01:57:53.000 And it's a barrel, like a little whiskey barrel.

01:57:56.000 And the audience at the beginning of the show, they get index cards, and they get to write down an idea for a premise.

01:58:02.000 And it's in the barrel.

01:58:03.000 And you reach into the barrel, and you pull out a thing, and it'll say, like, reincarnating the woolly mammoth.

01:58:09.000 And then you go, okay.

01:58:11.000 What do I think about that?

01:58:12.000 I'm going tonight.

01:58:13.000 That's what I'm going to write down then.

01:58:14.000 I don't think that's tonight.

01:58:15.000 That's Tuesday night.

01:58:16.000 I love creative things like that though.

01:58:19.000 Like, Whose Line Is It Anyway?

01:58:21.000 Dude, I used to love Whose Line Is It Anyway.

01:58:23.000 Just improv like that, to me, that's like...

01:58:28.000 Yeah, that's an art separate from its own, like, writing down and doing stand-up.

01:58:33.000 That's like its own little art.

01:58:34.000 Yeah, that's like creativity in the moment.

01:58:37.000 It's like when you're in a fight and you improvise something out of nowhere.

01:58:41.000 Yeah.

01:58:41.000 And it just, it works.

01:58:42.000 You just see an opening, like, I think I can do this.

01:58:45.000 Uh-huh.

01:58:45.000 And you just do it.

01:58:46.000 And it's like, it's not even like, I think I can do it.

01:58:48.000 You just recognize that that thing is there and then do it.

01:58:51.000 Yeah, and then, yeah, like, anything that's so like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom is cool.

01:58:56.000 Freestyle rap is really cool.

01:58:58.000 All of that stuff is super cool. 0.91

01:59:00.000 Yeah, freestyle rap is cool, but I'm a giant fan of, like, 90s hip-hop, because those dudes wrote everything out, and, like, the lyrics were so complex, and they twisted and turned, and, like, I'm a big fan of Gangstar, and, you know, listening to some of their old lyrics, like, god damn, they're so creative.

01:59:19.000 The Wu-Tang Clan was super cool.

01:59:20.000 They were just a bunch of dudes in like probably their basement just like watching kung fu movies and writing raps.

01:59:27.000 How cool is that?

01:59:28.000 The coolest.

01:59:29.000 To this day, they transcend.

01:59:31.000 To this day, Wu-Tang's for the children.

01:59:33.000 Were you a Biggie or Tupac guy?

01:59:36.000 Both.

01:59:37.000 Both but Biggie more.

01:59:39.000 Yeah, me too.

01:59:40.000 I love Tupac.

01:59:41.000 Tupac was amazing. 0.99

01:59:42.000 But I'm a fan of braggadocious shit-talking hip-hop. 0.99

01:59:47.000 And nobody did it better than Biggie. 0.98

01:59:49.000 Do you ever watch like freestyle rap battles on YouTube?

01:59:53.000 Sure.

01:59:54.000 Dude, they go at each other with some of the things that they say.

01:59:57.000 Sometimes they fight.

01:59:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:58.000 Sometimes they fucking hit each other and shit. 1.00

01:59:59.000 I love that kind of shit, too. 1.00

02:00:00.000 I love like watching people be aggressive and confrontational. 1.00

02:00:03.000 I love that shit, bro. 1.00

02:00:04.000 Why do you like that? 1.00

02:00:05.000 Because although you fight very aggressive and confrontational, you're a very calm and relaxed guy.

02:00:11.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:00:12.000 I'm fascinated with people, man.

02:00:15.000 I went to school for psychology.

02:00:17.000 I worked at a residential treatment facility for kids.

02:00:21.000 Everything that I've ever done has involved some type of psychology or whatever. 0.97

02:00:27.000 And it sucks to say, but I love watching shitty dating shows, too, online. 0.76

02:00:32.000 Because, dude, there's so much confrontation that happens. 0.95

02:00:36.000 And I love witnessing people in confrontational scenarios and just seeing what happens to the human person as they're dealing with a ton of stress.

02:00:46.000 I remember in college, bro, I used to love going into test day and just watching everyone freak out. 0.99

02:00:52.000 That was my favorite shit. 0.99

02:00:54.000 I love watching people get nervous. 1.00

02:00:57.000 It is fun.

02:00:58.000 It's fun to watch the nervous system and the mind get overloaded and all the possibilities and the thinking and just the fear and the anxiety.

02:01:05.000 How they just start being weird, dude.

02:01:08.000 I love watching people be weird just because they're nervous.

02:01:11.000 Yeah, it's fun.

02:01:12.000 It is fun.

02:01:14.000 I guess we're also accumulating an information database.

02:01:17.000 We're educating ourselves as to why and how the person...

02:01:22.000 And we apply it to ourselves.

02:01:24.000 What would I do?

02:01:25.000 How would I handle that?

02:01:27.000 I've got to stay cool if that happens to me.

02:01:29.000 Don't do that.

02:01:30.000 Don't panic.

02:01:31.000 Don't get in your feelings.

02:01:32.000 One of the cool things that I learned when I used to work at that residential treatment center was we'd have to...

02:01:41.000 So it was with kids from 5 to about 12 or 13 or whatever.

02:01:45.000 All came from abuse backgrounds.

02:01:47.000 But I would love to just see how you could tell that they were feeling a certain way based off their actions just being differently.

02:01:56.000 I thought that that was really fascinating.

02:01:58.000 It was my first time in life where I was like, oh yeah, I guess when I do pace around a little bit, I guess that's me just acting out some type of nervousness that I have going on inside of me.

02:02:09.000 But I learned a ton from that place, too.

02:02:11.000 That was watching a lot of people be in confrontation all the time.

02:02:14.000 And their kids, too, because kids are just so innocent and pure and don't know how to hide anything.

02:02:19.000 So everything that they're feeling, they just feel.

02:02:22.000 One of my favorite moments about a fight is the stare down at the weigh-ins.

02:02:26.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:27.000 There's something about the stare down at the weigh-ins, you know, where I'm very fortunate that I interview the fighters, right?

02:02:35.000 So I introduce them.

02:02:37.000 And then when Dana brings the two of them together, I get right there.

02:02:41.000 And I look at these guys looking at each other in the eyes. 0.99

02:02:43.000 And some of them are talking shit, but there's this thing going on where they're both very aware of this moment. 0.99

02:02:49.000 And it's like, how are you dealing with it? 0.99

02:02:52.000 And how calm can you stay?

02:02:53.000 And how prepared are you?

02:02:54.000 And how composed are you?

02:02:57.000 And it's a wild moment, man.

02:02:59.000 It is a wild moment.

02:03:01.000 I watch for that when I see my opponents walk out, too.

02:03:04.000 I watch for, like, the same types of things, you know?

02:03:07.000 It's interesting.

02:03:08.000 You have a very specific pacing style that you do when you're getting prepared.

02:03:14.000 Like, when Bruce Buffer is introducing you... 0.99

02:03:17.000 By the way, that motherfucker is the best. 0.99

02:03:19.000 Yeah, Bruce is the best. 1.00

02:03:20.000 He's the best.

02:03:20.000 Dude, I heard him practicing one time.

02:03:22.000 Oh, really?

02:03:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:03:23.000 It was at...

02:03:25.000 I forget which hotel it was at, or maybe it was at that Vegas one, but I hear something in the background, like him making noise, or him practicing saying the people's names, and I was like, damn, this world takes that job serious. 0.61

02:03:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:03:38.000 Well, you have to.

02:03:39.000 Some of those names are brutal.

02:03:40.000 Yeah.

02:03:41.000 Some of the Russian names, Jesus Christ, they're so complex.

02:03:44.000 I just thought it was so cool that he was practicing it.

02:03:47.000 I was like, I love that.

02:03:48.000 Oh, he's very serious about it, and there's no one better, man.

02:03:50.000 When that guy goes, it's time! 1.00

02:03:54.000 I mean, he's fucking close to 70 years old, and this fucking dude's head turns like a grape. 1.00

02:03:59.000 He's screaming, like, one day, we're going to lose him. 1.00

02:04:01.000 And he's going to drop dead, and it would be, like, the most appropriate way for a guy like him to die.

02:04:06.000 A legend to have a heart attack, like, interviewing a world championship fight.

02:04:10.000 You know, I mean...

02:04:11.000 He needs to have an offspring soon.

02:04:14.000 We need a little buffer.

02:04:16.000 It'll be the third buffer?

02:04:17.000 Yeah.

02:04:17.000 The third buffer.

02:04:18.000 Do you know he didn't even know his brother until he was like a grown man?

02:04:21.000 I heard that.

02:04:22.000 Isn't that wild?

02:04:22.000 Yeah, that is crazy.

02:04:23.000 And then the UFC couldn't afford his brother, so they got Bruce. 1.00

02:04:27.000 Because Michael was the fucking man. 0.99

02:04:29.000 Let's get ready to rumble! 1.00

02:04:31.000 Everybody would go crazy.

02:04:33.000 That was the thing.

02:04:34.000 And Bruce, you know, if you go back, he was kind of learning on the job.

02:04:37.000 I mean, he was good at it in the beginning, but he became the Bruce Buffer that we see now.

02:04:42.000 Like, he was not that intense in the early days.

02:04:44.000 He just sort of did it like a regular guy, like a regular announcer. 0.97

02:04:48.000 But then as time went on, he just fucking ramped up the intent. 0.81

02:04:52.000 And he's such a fan. 0.99

02:04:53.000 I mean, that dude fucking loves the fights. 0.96

02:04:55.000 Like, I'll meet him backstage, and he's like, what do you think? 0.98

02:04:59.000 What do you think about this?

02:04:59.000 What do you think about that card?

02:05:00.000 And we'll start going over the cards, like, what do you think about that one?

02:05:02.000 Whoa, this is exciting.

02:05:04.000 This is exciting. 1.00

02:05:05.000 And then you see it in his fucking face when he's out there. 1.00

02:05:07.000 You know, when he's right in front of him? 1.00

02:05:11.000 Sonia! 0.97

02:05:12.000 It's like, woo!

02:05:13.000 I get goosebumps.

02:05:15.000 Seriously. 0.99

02:05:15.000 God damn, I'm sitting in my chair. 0.99

02:05:17.000 I'm like, holy shit. 1.00

02:05:18.000 Woo! 1.00

02:05:19.000 Yeah, you're in for it this weekend.

02:05:21.000 Oh my god, I'm so excited I know that all the things I do man I do a lot of fun things but Doing commentary for the UFC is one of the most fucking exciting things a person could ever do Yeah, it's just you just get it's I feel so honored and so privileged that I get to be a A person who's talking about this while people are experiencing it and then I get to just somehow or another accentuate it or give life to it or give my thoughts to it or just express my excitement and that it's

02:05:51.000 contagious and people feel it and feed off of it.

02:05:55.000 It's insane, too, man.

02:05:57.000 It's insane.

02:05:57.000 I get the chills, man, when I'm there, and then it's the last fight, and everything goes dark, and then just the spotlight, the whole arena's dark, and just the spotlight around the two fighters.

02:06:08.000 What a moment, man.

02:06:09.000 What a moment.

02:06:10.000 It gives me the chills every time.

02:06:11.000 I remember when Sinead O'Connor sang Conor McGregor's walkout song, and the whole place went dark and then green lights for Ireland. 0.97

02:06:22.000 And you're just like, holy shit, and just goosebumps on top of goosebumps. 0.98

02:06:27.000 Is this it? 0.99

02:06:30.000 Look at this, the green lights. 0.97

02:06:34.000 Dude, this was so fucking intense. 0.96

02:06:38.000 Which fight was this? 0.97

02:06:42.000 189. This is Madison Square Garden.

02:06:46.000 Oh, MGM.

02:06:47.000 This is MGM.

02:06:48.000 This is insane.

02:07:06.000 What is this, an Irish song?

02:07:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:07:21.000 What the fuck you do? 1.00

02:07:22.000 Was this the Jose Aldo fight? 1.00

02:07:37.000 Might be.

02:07:38.000 Mendez.

02:07:53.000 Mendez.

02:07:54.000 okay this is when he won the interim title there he is He looks so different at 45. I know, man.

02:08:13.000 - Oh man, he was a skeleton. - Yeah, there was no one like Conor McGregor You talk about a dude who fucking was big for the weight class. 0.98

02:08:26.000 Yeah. 0.81

02:08:26.000 At 145, when he would weigh in, he would look like a dead man. 0.81

02:08:30.000 Because that was the days when you had the real weigh-in.

02:08:32.000 When the guy got on the scale, like, you didn't have a chance to rehydrate.

02:08:36.000 You actually had to make weight in front of the crowd.

02:08:38.000 So you'd see Conor, and he looked like a dead man.

02:08:42.000 He looked like a guy who'd been in a concentration camp.

02:08:44.000 Like he'd been starving himself.

02:08:46.000 And then all of a sudden, the next day...

02:08:48.000 But that was also the days of the IV.

02:08:49.000 You were allowed to rehydrate.

02:08:52.000 It was the official broadcast.

02:08:53.000 They had the two.

02:08:54.000 Same, same, but better camera work.

02:08:58.000 The bravest fell on the requiem bell Rang mournfully and clear For those who died the Eastertide In the springing of the year While the world did gaze with deep amaze

02:09:24.000 At those fearless men but fear You want to talk about a dude who just eats pressure?

02:09:33.000 He was fearless, dude.

02:09:35.000 That's like what separated Conor McGregor.

02:09:37.000 That's why I don't know that there will ever be anyone that's really like him is because that dude was walking the walk and he was fearless, man.

02:09:45.000 Like he was fearless in the fights that he would take.

02:09:47.000 I think when he fought Chad, it was like short notice, right? 0.99

02:09:51.000 It was short notice and he had a fucked up knee. 1.00

02:09:53.000 His knee was really fucked up. 0.99

02:09:54.000 He really couldn't wrestle in that fight. 0.99

02:09:56.000 He couldn't grapple.

02:09:57.000 Even taking a fight against Chad on short notice, man, Chad Mendez was a freak. 1.00

02:10:01.000 He was a fucking tank. 1.00

02:10:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:10:02.000 He was a tank. 1.00

02:10:03.000 Yeah.

02:10:03.000 He's fighting bare knuckle against Eddie Alvarez.

02:10:07.000 I saw that.

02:10:08.000 Wild.

02:10:09.000 That's soon.

02:10:09.000 That's crazy.

02:10:10.000 I think that's next weekend.

02:10:11.000 Is that next weekend or the weekend after that?

02:10:13.000 It's soon.

02:10:14.000 It's this month.

02:10:15.000 Yeah, it's in Colorado.

02:10:16.000 Because Luke Rockhold is fighting Mike Perry.

02:10:18.000 Yep, it's in Colorado.

02:10:18.000 I'm going to go.

02:10:19.000 Woo! 0.99

02:10:20.000 Yeah.

02:10:20.000 What day is that?

02:10:22.000 April 29th.

02:10:23.000 I don't know.

02:10:24.000 What am I doing?

02:10:25.000 What is April 29th?

02:10:26.000 Isn't there something else going on that night?

02:10:28.000 Isn't that also the Toronto card?

02:10:33.000 Is that the Toronto UFC card?

02:10:38.000 No?

02:10:39.000 It's not Toronto, but there is a UFC card that night.

02:10:41.000 It's a fight night.

02:10:42.000 Oh, it's a fight night.

02:10:43.000 Bare knuckle seems a little crazy.

02:10:45.000 I'd do bare knuckle if you could elbow, though. 1.00

02:10:47.000 If you could elbow, I'd do bare knuckle. 1.00

02:10:49.000 I don't want to just punch people and fuck up my hands. 1.00

02:10:53.000 You definitely would fuck up your hands. 1.00

02:10:54.000 If I could elbow people, though, I think I would be able to handle it. 0.99

02:10:58.000 I wonder why they don't allow that.

02:10:59.000 That always confused me, too.

02:11:01.000 Yeah.

02:11:02.000 They might as well.

02:11:03.000 That'd be awesome.

02:11:04.000 Imagine...

02:11:04.000 That'd be a cool sport.

02:11:06.000 Just punches and elbows.

02:11:07.000 Oh, yeah.

02:11:07.000 Punches and elbows, yeah.

02:11:09.000 Well, the really crazy striking sport is Latwe. 1.00

02:11:12.000 Have you ever seen one live?

02:11:13.000 Latwe? 0.78

02:11:13.000 Yeah. 0.78

02:11:14.000 No.

02:11:14.000 I saw one live.

02:11:15.000 They had it in Wyoming.

02:11:16.000 I, like, went up.

02:11:17.000 It was like the...

02:11:18.000 Last one, dudes headbutting each other.

02:11:20.000 Was David LaDuke there?

02:11:21.000 Did he fight there?

02:11:23.000 Is he like a...

02:11:24.000 He's the top guy. 1.00

02:11:25.000 He's a fucking savage. 1.00

02:11:27.000 I want to say it was one of the top guys. 1.00

02:11:29.000 Is he like a bald, white dude?

02:11:30.000 Yeah.

02:11:31.000 I think so.

02:11:31.000 Bald, skinny, white dude?

02:11:32.000 Yep, yep, yep. 1.00

02:11:33.000 That guy's a fucking savage. 1.00

02:11:35.000 Dude, he was in the back warming up, headbutting. 1.00

02:11:36.000 Yeah, he headbutts pads.

02:11:38.000 He incorporates headbutts into his padwork.

02:11:41.000 I mean, I don't see...

02:11:43.000 I mean, why wouldn't you be allowed to headbutt?

02:11:45.000 Why wouldn't you be allowed?

02:11:46.000 I mean, Mark Coleman... 1.00

02:11:47.000 You could do way worse shit. 1.00

02:11:48.000 Mark Coleman, when he was the fucking king, would take guys down, get them in their guard, and headbutt the fuck out of them. 1.00

02:11:54.000 Dude, that was a big part of his strategies, beating the shit out of you when you were on the ground, including headbutts. 0.99

02:11:58.000 Oh my god, that would be awesome. 0.91

02:12:00.000 Yeah.

02:12:01.000 That would be pretty awesome.

02:12:02.000 I think it should be allowed.

02:12:03.000 Why not?

02:12:04.000 I don't understand why it isn't, and I also think that you should be able to knee a downed opponent in the head.

02:12:08.000 I do too.

02:12:09.000 Especially when someone's in a turtle position, like if they shoot for a shot and they sprawl, and you're sitting there, why can't you knee them?

02:12:16.000 Because their knees are on the ground? 0.84

02:12:18.000 Seriously.

02:12:18.000 Makes zero sense.

02:12:19.000 What do you think about soccer kicks?

02:12:21.000 I think soccer kicks should be legal.

02:12:23.000 I do too.

02:12:23.000 You should figure out a way to not get soccer kicked.

02:12:25.000 Yep, I agree.

02:12:26.000 And if the referee thinks that someone is compromised and they're going to get soccer kicked and they want to stop the fight, stop the fight before that happens.

02:12:32.000 But if you see what they're doing in 1FC where they allow those soccer kicks, it's a big factor.

02:12:37.000 And it's a real factor in real fighting.

02:12:39.000 And this is supposed to be the sport of real fighting.

02:12:42.000 I think the only argument against it is the cage.

02:12:44.000 Because the cage prevents a guy from moving, because you're pressed there, and then you get stomped or soccer kicked, and there's really no way to get out of that.

02:12:53.000 I feel like if you wanted to have soccer kicks and stomps, you really should have an open arena, which I've been a supporter of anyway.

02:13:00.000 I think cages get in the way of the view.

02:13:03.000 It's a factor in the fight.

02:13:05.000 It allows guys to get up where they ordinarily wouldn't be able to.

02:13:07.000 There's a lot of things that happen with the octagon.

02:13:10.000 I know the octagon's iconic, and I know people love it, but...

02:13:14.000 It doesn't really help the fight.

02:13:15.000 How big would you make the arena?

02:13:17.000 I'd make it like a basketball court.

02:13:19.000 That would be awesome.

02:13:20.000 If you can fight, if you can have basketball in a basketball court, and these guys are all running around and doing all that, I mean, there's so much room for these guys to run.

02:13:28.000 Why can't you have a place where you have a center, where you're supposed to compete in, and you have a red line that's a considerable size, that if it gets too far over that, you have to come back in.

02:13:38.000 That would be awesome.

02:13:38.000 I think it's better.

02:13:39.000 We should start our own promotion and maybe fucking boxing with elbows in an arena? 0.88

02:13:44.000 Well, if UFC was going to do anything, I would want them to do kickboxing because I think that is the untapped thing. 0.74

02:13:49.000 I know they're all high on this slap boxing thing, the slap fighting thing, and I know that that gets a lot of money and a lot of people love it and watch it on TikTok.

02:13:57.000 That's great.

02:13:58.000 But if you really wanted to have another thing that has the potential to be gigantic, I think it's world championship kickboxing.

02:14:07.000 I agree with you.

02:14:08.000 In one, it's awesome.

02:14:09.000 It's awesome.

02:14:10.000 It's so awesome.

02:14:11.000 It's awesome.

02:14:12.000 There's so many good fights.

02:14:14.000 I love what one's doing.

02:14:15.000 I love that they incorporate grappling matches.

02:14:17.000 They have strict grappling matches.

02:14:19.000 And then they have these MMA fights and they have kickboxing with little gloves. 0.98

02:14:23.000 It's fucking great. 0.95

02:14:24.000 Yeah, kickboxing with little gloves is cool. 0.99

02:14:26.000 It is. 0.98

02:14:27.000 It's fucking great. 0.98

02:14:28.000 And they have Muay Thai and they have kickboxing. 0.99

02:14:31.000 They have different rules for different kinds of competitions they have over there.

02:14:34.000 And it expresses all the different aspects of martial arts.

02:14:37.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:14:38.000 Yeah.

02:14:39.000 Yeah, they should...

02:14:40.000 That would be badass.

02:14:41.000 They should 100% do that.

02:14:43.000 It'd be super cool, too, to just, like, see how people do in an MMA fight and then have the same two fight in just a kickboxing fight.

02:14:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:14:51.000 I think people would love that, dude.

02:14:53.000 I actually think that it's really sad that the sport of kickboxing isn't a lot bigger than what it is right now.

02:14:57.000 I think it's sad because it's such a beautiful art.

02:15:00.000 It's the best.

02:15:01.000 I love it.

02:15:01.000 I love watching it.

02:15:02.000 I mean, look, I'm a fan of all combat sports.

02:15:04.000 I love jiu-jitsu, I love kickboxing, but I think that's the one thing that's untapped because it's one of the most exciting aspects of MMA and it's not an individual sport of note.

02:15:17.000 Dude, imagine getting Sanchai in a UFC fight with just small gloves just kickboxing.

02:15:22.000 What about like that, the way they do the NCAA wrestling club?

02:15:26.000 Yeah, what I don't like is the drop-off.

02:15:28.000 See, the drop-off is dangerous.

02:15:29.000 Yeah, that's dangerous.

02:15:30.000 I watched Ben Askren when he wrestled Jordan Peters, or Jordan Burroughs, rather, and Jordan took him over the top.

02:15:37.000 I'm like, that's not...

02:15:38.000 You can get hurt, man. 0.94

02:15:39.000 Yeah, you'll break your neck. 0.90

02:15:40.000 What's that?

02:15:41.000 Or if they just didn't have it raised.

02:15:42.000 Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

02:15:44.000 Have it on the ground and have a space that's even a little bit larger than that and have a red area on the outside that's probably double the size of that outer black area where you cannot...

02:15:53.000 When you get into that area, there's plenty of room to make your way back in, but the referee makes you get back in and you have to fight in the center.

02:16:00.000 And, you know, have it so that you have to chase a guy down.

02:16:03.000 I mean, you know, and people will boo.

02:16:05.000 But guess what?

02:16:05.000 When you get a takedown in that environment, it's a real takedown.

02:16:09.000 And when you get back up, you're really going to have to get back up.

02:16:11.000 You can't wall walk.

02:16:12.000 You can't make your way up to the side of the cage and press your back up against it and, you know, and stand back up.

02:16:17.000 What do you think about no rounds?

02:16:19.000 I like that.

02:16:20.000 I like that too.

02:16:21.000 I like that a lot.

02:16:22.000 I think it'd be like, you know, maybe like you could still do rounds, but what if we started rounds where the last round ended?

02:16:29.000 That'd be cool, I think.

02:16:31.000 Why not?

02:16:32.000 You know, almost like a halftime, you know, like you still get the same amount of points, but now it's just second half.

02:16:37.000 But like if you end up on bottom at the end of the first round, then you start on bottom in the beginning of the second.

02:16:43.000 That's not a bad idea at all.

02:16:44.000 That'd be cool.

02:16:44.000 That's not a bad idea at all.

02:16:46.000 I mean, I think, you know, Chael Sonnen said it best.

02:16:49.000 He said, no one should be fighting for 25 minutes.

02:16:51.000 It's just so hard.

02:16:53.000 It's so grueling for you that no one can fight full blast.

02:16:57.000 So you have to pace yourself.

02:16:59.000 You have to figure it out.

02:17:00.000 It's just you're asking so much of a body to be able to do that.

02:17:04.000 I can't move after.

02:17:05.000 What's it like?

02:17:06.000 The next day, I literally can't move.

02:17:10.000 Even in the last one where I didn't even take a ton of damage, I'm literally in bed.

02:17:15.000 My entire body is sore.

02:17:17.000 I'm sore in weird places that I had no idea that I had gotten hit.

02:17:20.000 And I literally, when I tried to move, I'll sit there with my ankles up because my ankles always get really swollen because I kick knees all the time.

02:17:27.000 But I'll sit there with my legs up and to move over and roll over or go to the bathroom or whatever is like...

02:17:35.000 For like an entire day and then it's a little better the next day and then kind of gone by the third day but the next day is horrible.

02:17:41.000 Does anything mitigate it?

02:17:42.000 Ice baths or anything?

02:17:44.000 I take ice baths and I do the hot tub like for the like day after the next day after and the next day after just like flush it all out because there's so much swelling that's going on.

02:17:56.000 What's the most significant injury you've ever had?

02:17:59.000 I don't really get super hurt, man.

02:18:01.000 Really?

02:18:02.000 Yeah, I really don't.

02:18:03.000 I tore my pectoral one time.

02:18:07.000 I broke this thumb, but other than that, man, not too many, like, serious things.

02:18:11.000 I was told by a couple people that, or by my PT, that I have, like, some of the thickest cheekbones that he's ever seen.

02:18:18.000 And then the dentist told me that I have some of, like, the thickest enamel or whatever it is around my teeth.

02:18:23.000 So I think I have, like, I know I'm skinny and lanky, but I think I have, like, some pretty hard-ass bones.

02:18:29.000 Like, I really, I don't, like, break stuff.

02:18:32.000 That's very beneficial.

02:18:34.000 Yeah.

02:18:35.000 Yeah.

02:18:35.000 I mean, there's so many fighters that go through their career and they get marred with injuries.

02:18:39.000 And they have injury after injury.

02:18:40.000 And they, either they push through it or they never quite recover.

02:18:44.000 And you see the drop-off in their performance and they're never quite the same.

02:18:47.000 I super take care of myself, though.

02:18:49.000 Like, that's, like, another thing that I think I do really, really well is, like, Step A is get better, but slightly underneath that is don't get hurt.

02:19:01.000 Because if you get hurt, you can't do anything for weeks or months.

02:19:04.000 Yeah, the scariest injury to me in MMA is the shin break.

02:19:10.000 Yeah.

02:19:10.000 That's a wild one, man.

02:19:12.000 We've seen that three or four times now, and every time you see it, the guy's really never the same again.

02:19:16.000 And the Conor one is fascinating to me because I've seen him sparring, and it looks like he's using that left leg and throwing kicks and everything, but how is that going to hold up in an actual fight?

02:19:29.000 Yeah.

02:19:29.000 I hear that they heal pretty decently, but who knows?

02:19:33.000 Well, look at Chris Weidman. 1.00

02:19:34.000 He's still fucked. 1.00

02:19:35.000 It's been two years. 1.00

02:19:36.000 I mean, he had real problems with that.

02:19:38.000 He had to get it reset because the bones weren't healing together properly. 0.99

02:19:43.000 It's a fucking nightmare. 0.99

02:19:45.000 It's a real sport. 1.00

02:19:48.000 That's what I was talking to my buddy the other day. 0.97

02:19:51.000 I go, you know, because a lot of it's about the entertainment piece and talking shit and all of the interviews leading up to it or whatever, which I don't always enjoy the most. 0.79

02:20:02.000 But I was saying, I was like, once we're in the cage, there's no more entertainment show happening. 0.91

02:20:08.000 It's a fight at that point.

02:20:10.000 And it feels like...

02:20:11.000 It's real as hell.

02:20:13.000 It's as real as it gets.

02:20:14.000 I mean, I know that used to be the UFC logo, as real as it gets.

02:20:16.000 Oh, cool.

02:20:17.000 That was the catchphrase, but it is as real as it gets.

02:20:20.000 Yeah.

02:20:21.000 With the given set of rules that, you know, it's the best set of rules that we have for combat sports.

02:20:25.000 I don't think what we were talking about before, the knees on the ground, I think is huge.

02:20:29.000 Because I think you shouldn't just be able to turtle up like that.

02:20:31.000 It doesn't make any sense. 0.78

02:20:32.000 It doesn't make any sense that all you can do is punch them to the body or kick them to the body or, you know, take their back. 1.00

02:20:37.000 You should be able to knee them in the head. 0.99

02:20:38.000 And you saw it in pride when, you know, Mark Coleman did that a bunch of times. 0.98

02:20:42.000 When he got guys down, he just dropped knees on their heads.

02:20:44.000 Yeah.

02:20:44.000 You know, Ben Askren did that and won.

02:20:46.000 When he competed and won, it was a market change because now he's allowed to use not just takedowns, but knee guys in the head when he had them taken down.

02:20:53.000 Brutal.

02:20:54.000 Yeah, it should be allowed.

02:20:55.000 It should be allowed.

02:20:56.000 Figure out how to not have that happen to you.

02:20:58.000 I mean, it's just one more thing to defend against.

02:21:01.000 We're kind of allowing, because of the rule set right now, we're allowing these positions where it's unrealistically safe.

02:21:09.000 You're not really safe there at all.

02:21:11.000 You're in a very vulnerable position.

02:21:12.000 But because of the rule set, you can pull that off.

02:21:15.000 And you can actually use it as a strategy to stay in that position while the guy has to do something different.

02:21:20.000 Yeah.

02:21:21.000 How do you feel about punching in the back of the head?

02:21:23.000 I definitely don't think that that should be allowed.

02:21:25.000 We talked about that recently.

02:21:27.000 Because I think, why not?

02:21:29.000 Because some knockouts are from the back of the head, like head kicks. 0.63

02:21:33.000 Like, say if Wonderboy loves to throw that over the shoulder, like sneaky kind of question mark style kick.

02:21:39.000 When you do that, you're hitting the guy in the back of the head.

02:21:42.000 You know, many times.

02:21:43.000 You know, a lot of the head kicks, it wraps around and you're really shinning the person on the back of the head.

02:21:50.000 Yeah, I guess I would have to know, like, the science of, like, the denseness of the skull behind.

02:21:54.000 What about the temple, though?

02:21:56.000 Yeah, good point. 0.99

02:21:56.000 The temple's, like, the fucking most vulnerable area of your skull. 0.99

02:21:59.000 It's so thin. 1.00

02:22:00.000 Look at us.

02:22:01.000 If you hold a...

02:22:02.000 This is not a real skull, but this area is, like... 0.98

02:22:05.000 It's so fucking vulnerable. 0.99

02:22:07.000 Your temple, like, I would not want to get hit here, man. 0.99

02:22:10.000 This is a... 1.00

02:22:10.000 It's such a bitch-ass part of your head. 1.00

02:22:13.000 Like, it hurts just poking it. 1.00

02:22:14.000 Right?

02:22:15.000 Poke your temple.

02:22:15.000 That hurts.

02:22:16.000 Why do we have those?

02:22:17.000 I don't know. 0.97

02:22:17.000 Why do we have balls? 0.97

02:22:18.000 Why have our balls hanging out, you know? 0.99

02:22:21.000 So much of the design of the human body. 0.99

02:22:23.000 So we can show them off?

02:22:25.000 Maybe, right?

02:22:26.000 I think it's actually a cooling thing. 0.99

02:22:27.000 I think it's supposed to be to keep your balls cooler so that you have more sperm. 1.00

02:22:32.000 Because one of the things that really affects sperm growth and development is heat. 0.99

02:22:37.000 So if you had your balls inside your body all protected and you were hot from running or something like that, you'd probably have bad jizz. 0.99

02:22:44.000 Yeah, you don't want bad jizz. 1.00

02:22:46.000 You don't want bad jizz.

02:22:47.000 You want good jizz. 1.00

02:22:47.000 Yeah, if you want to make babies, you got to have cool balls. 1.00

02:22:51.000 So I guess it's something about the balls being outside the body where it's not as dependent upon the heat of the body. 0.97

02:22:57.000 I don't know.

02:22:58.000 Great job, Evolution.

02:23:00.000 Yeah, a lot of wacky stuff.

02:23:01.000 Why are eyeballs so vulnerable?

02:23:03.000 Oh, that's another thing that's going on this weekend is UFC is debuting a new set of gloves. 0.96

02:23:09.000 I have maintained, and I still do, that Trevor Whitman makes the fucking best MMA gloves that have ever existed. 0.92

02:23:15.000 And I think that everybody should use those gloves. 0.71

02:23:17.000 I put those Onyx gloves on before, they make your hand completely curved, they still allow grappling, but it keeps your hand like this, where you don't have as many eye pokes.

02:23:26.000 Nice.

02:23:27.000 And these new gloves, there's a video of Gilbert Burns explaining it, and Gilbert is showing...

02:23:33.000 Let's see what we got here.

02:23:34.000 Let's put this.

02:23:35.000 Those of them?

02:23:36.000 Yeah.

02:23:37.000 Oh, that's smart.

02:23:48.000 So this is a new one.

02:23:53.000 So hopefully that's going to make a difference.

02:23:55.000 I think that's been a thing that a lot of people have complained about is that the old UFC gloves, they encourage your hands to be in an open position.

02:24:03.000 And when guys are fighting like this... 0.98

02:24:05.000 Like, eye pokes are one of the worst fucking things about the sport. 0.96

02:24:08.000 I scratch my eye almost every fight. 0.99

02:24:10.000 Really?

02:24:11.000 Almost every single fight.

02:24:12.000 I have like a...

02:24:14.000 So I got that PRK surgery.

02:24:16.000 It's like LASIK except they like seal up.

02:24:19.000 I got it like six, seven years ago or whatever.

02:24:21.000 And still if I get hit right in the eye or even like a digit goes in my eye even a little bit, the rest of my night is ruined because I'm like sitting there all night going like this.

02:24:31.000 It happens after almost every single fight.

02:24:33.000 You ever scratched your eye?

02:24:35.000 Yeah.

02:24:35.000 It's the worst pain that I've ever felt in my life.

02:24:38.000 It's horrible.

02:24:39.000 I remember one time I did it, because it used to happen all the time for me.

02:24:42.000 Like, I don't know if I would re-get PRK surgery.

02:24:44.000 It doesn't happen anymore, really only in fights, but one time it happened.

02:24:49.000 And I like remember being on the couch.

02:24:51.000 I had to call my mom to come pick me up to take me to the hospital because I thought it was like really messed up.

02:24:56.000 And the next day my body hurt because I was doing this for hours.

02:25:01.000 For hours I was doing that.

02:25:03.000 It hurt so bad.

02:25:05.000 Jim Miller, apparently, you talk about a durable guy.

02:25:07.000 That's another guy that's never had an injury, a real injury, which is crazy. 0.98

02:25:10.000 All the fucking wars that guy's been in. 0.96

02:25:12.000 But he got poked real bad in his last fight, and he's got some sort of a cataract now. 0.99

02:25:17.000 And he's trying to figure out whether or not he should keep competing or get surgery on the eye.

02:25:23.000 You should wear swim goggles.

02:25:25.000 That'd be crazy.

02:25:26.000 It would be crazy. 0.86

02:25:27.000 That would be ridiculous. 0.97

02:25:28.000 It would be ridiculous. 0.98

02:25:29.000 It would solve the problem.

02:25:30.000 I guess, but is there a way to put swim goggles on where they wouldn't get fogged up and wouldn't get...

02:25:36.000 Dude, that would hurt worse.

02:25:37.000 What about blood?

02:25:38.000 What about, like, if somebody gets a cut on their forehead and they're on top of you, ground up and they're just bleeding all your goggles, and then you get up and you can't see, and you wipe it away, but you're smeared. 0.97

02:25:46.000 Now you're looking at, like, a fucking dirty windshield. 0.79

02:25:49.000 Have you seen that fight where I get armbarred by Yuri? 1.00

02:25:54.000 You gotta see it, man.

02:25:55.000 You haven't seen that fight?

02:25:56.000 I probably have.

02:25:57.000 It was early in my career.

02:25:58.000 It was like my second fight in the UFC or something.

02:26:00.000 It's one of the fights that I feel like I'm kind of known for a little bit.

02:26:04.000 But Yuri gets me in like a really bad arm bar and I'm like triangled.

02:26:07.000 He's straightening out my arm bar.

02:26:09.000 Oh, I remember that.

02:26:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:26:10.000 So this is like early in my career.

02:26:12.000 I even look kind of like a young dude.

02:26:14.000 But, dude, so he starts hitting me or whatever.

02:26:16.000 And blood, pretty soon.

02:26:18.000 Yep, there we go.

02:26:19.000 Yep, he's just hammering my face.

02:26:21.000 But...

02:26:21.000 Dude, so the blood starts going into my eye.

02:26:24.000 So, like, this situation just gets a hundred times worse because now I'm just having, like, this pink fog in my eye.

02:26:30.000 Oh, wow.

02:26:31.000 It was horrible.

02:26:32.000 People forgot about Yuri.

02:26:34.000 Dude, Yuri was a beast.

02:26:36.000 Dude, when I fought him, he had 20 UFC fights.

02:26:38.000 I remember this because you got out of this.

02:26:40.000 And it was wild.

02:26:42.000 Yeah, but all of this blood, I can't see anything because all of the blood is still in my eye.

02:26:46.000 It was crazy. 0.99

02:26:47.000 But when you did get out of it, I remember thinking, oh shit. 0.99

02:26:50.000 I was so mad. 0.99

02:26:52.000 I was so mad. 1.00

02:26:53.000 I was like, I'm going to fucking kill this guy. 0.99

02:26:55.000 The whole time I was like, when I get fucking out of this, it was like a little brother had me in a thing. 1.00

02:27:00.000 And I was like, you motherfucker, when I get out of this, I'm going to beat your ass so bad. 1.00

02:27:04.000 How bad was your arm? 1.00

02:27:06.000 It was pretty hurt.

02:27:07.000 It wasn't like broken or anything but I had bruising from the wrist all the way up so I definitely tore some stuff.

02:27:14.000 Did you have to take much time off after that to heal it up?

02:27:17.000 Like a few weeks.

02:27:17.000 The elbows heal really quick actually.

02:27:19.000 Like I've never hurt my elbow so bad where I've had to take more than like six weeks off.

02:27:23.000 There's some armbar finishes in the UFC where you just go, like Jamal Hill when he fought Paul Craig.

02:27:33.000 Paul Craig dislocated his arm.

02:27:34.000 We were sure it was broken.

02:27:36.000 We were sure he snapped it.

02:27:37.000 I mean, probably some bones tripped off. 1.00

02:27:39.000 Paul Craig has a motherfucker of a guard. 0.99

02:27:42.000 That's the dude with the beard? 1.00

02:27:43.000 Yeah.

02:27:43.000 Yeah, he's good.

02:27:44.000 The bear Jew. 0.99

02:27:45.000 He calls himself the bear Jew, which is one of the greatest nicknames ever. 1.00

02:27:47.000 But that guy's got a fucking... 1.00

02:27:49.000 Fucking wicked guard, man. 1.00

02:27:51.000 His guard is so dangerous. 1.00

02:27:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:27:53.000 You know, he catches people with that fucking guard where you're like, God damn. 1.00

02:27:58.000 It's like a world-class jiu-jitsu guard. 0.99

02:28:00.000 Submission artists are awesome.

02:28:02.000 They're like just as cool as KO artists.

02:28:04.000 Oh, for sure.

02:28:04.000 Yeah.

02:28:04.000 If you get a real elite one that can pull stuff like that off.

02:28:08.000 I mean, look at how many times Charles Oliveira submitted people.

02:28:11.000 It's so intense.

02:28:13.000 That guy gets some juice behind his finishes, too.

02:28:17.000 That guy knows how to make himself powerful.

02:28:19.000 He's a fascinating guy, because you want to talk about a guy who completely transformed.

02:28:24.000 In the early days of his career, he was talented, but when things got hard, he would kind of fold.

02:28:29.000 And something happened, and I think they attribute it to the birth of his daughter. 0.99

02:28:33.000 That he just became far more serious and far more intense and just really believed that he was the fucking man. 0.99

02:28:39.000 And then went on this tear. 1.00

02:28:41.000 Just a fucking tear. 0.99

02:28:43.000 Running through guys. 1.00

02:28:44.000 That happens, man.

02:28:46.000 I really think that a lot of stuff in life is just making the decision to do it.

02:28:52.000 Once you fully commit to the decision to do something, that can change your life, man.

02:28:57.000 And I think that that's what he did.

02:28:59.000 It changed him, too.

02:29:00.000 It changed his perception, the people's perceptions of him, because people had this idea of who he was.

02:29:06.000 And then once he beat, like, Gaethje, and he beat all these other...

02:29:09.000 No one had that perception anymore. 1.00

02:29:10.000 Once he beat Chandler, everybody was like, this guy is a motherfucker. 1.00

02:29:17.000 You watched it all. 1.00

02:29:18.000 It wasn't like he had those fights overseas and other organizations and then he figured it out.

02:29:24.000 No.

02:29:24.000 He did it in the biggest stage of the world and made that transformation.

02:29:28.000 From getting KO'd by Cub Swanson, getting beat up by Paul Felder, and then all of a sudden, this guy fucking hits a switch. 0.99

02:29:36.000 And he's a destroyer. 0.92

02:29:39.000 One of the greatest champions ever.

02:29:40.000 I really think it's like sometimes you just make a decision. 1.00

02:29:43.000 You know, you're like, fuck second place. 1.00

02:29:45.000 From now on, fuck second place. 1.00

02:29:47.000 Do you ever worry that you won't know that you don't have the same commitment that you have now? 1.00

02:29:55.000 Yeah, I do.

02:29:57.000 So I used to train with Andy Sauer a bit in Holland.

02:30:02.000 Like when I was 22, 23, I went out there.

02:30:05.000 And, um, I remember talking to him about that, and he was like, the passion, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not.

02:30:13.000 Like, I sometimes fight for paychecks, you know?

02:30:17.000 And I remember at, like, 22, that was, like, such a thing for me to hear, you know?

02:30:21.000 Because I was like...

02:30:22.000 Andy Sauer was my idol.

02:30:24.000 And I love Andy and I don't mean to tell that in a way where that offends him.

02:30:29.000 It is kind of a reality.

02:30:31.000 He's a great fighter.

02:30:32.000 I remember hearing that and I remember being like, oh, that's a possibility.

02:30:38.000 You just run out of the competitive juice.

02:30:41.000 Yeah, that does scare me.

02:30:42.000 I don't know that I'll do it past that unless I'm making millions and millions of dollars and I'll maybe look past that.

02:30:50.000 Right.

02:30:50.000 If something crazy comes along.

02:30:52.000 Yeah.

02:30:53.000 I worry about that because I see it in certain fighters.

02:30:56.000 I see fighters that are in contention for the title and they just have this certain type of drive and then you see a few losses and then you see them competing and maybe they just don't look as hard.

02:31:07.000 Their body looks different.

02:31:09.000 And then their endurance is not the same, and you realize this guy's kind of phoning it in.

02:31:14.000 And he was a world-class fighter at one point.

02:31:17.000 I know.

02:31:18.000 It's kind of a sad thing to see, too.

02:31:20.000 It is.

02:31:21.000 Yeah, I really hope to never have to be that way, you know?

02:31:24.000 Maybe it'll happen.

02:31:25.000 Maybe it won't.

02:31:26.000 I don't know.

02:31:27.000 It's a sad thing to see champions when their body is not working right anymore, but they think they're going to be able to pull that magic out.

02:31:36.000 I know.

02:31:37.000 And it just doesn't exist anymore.

02:31:38.000 I think it's like, it's probably their loved ones on, it's like on those people to tell them to stop, huh?

02:31:45.000 I mean, because as like a fighter, I don't really know that it would, I don't know if it'd be on me to tell me to stop.

02:31:52.000 You know, like just being the fighter that like, being the person that you got to be to be a fighter, that really shouldn't ever cross your brain.

02:31:58.000 Right.

02:31:59.000 So you probably have to have loved ones around you to be like, hey man, like, we're calling it.

02:32:04.000 I think there's that and then there's also the issue that for many fighters that is their entire identity their entire identity is that they're a fighter and Losing that identity by becoming a former fighter and now being lost in the world and not knowing what direction to take or what to do with yourself It's one of the hardest transitions because fighting is so all-in It's so all-encompassing and so obsessive that once that's gone from from your life Unless you're teaching,

02:32:32.000 unless you're running an academy or running a gym or, you know, working with younger fighters, it's hard to find something that will occupy your thoughts in the way that competing does.

02:32:42.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:32:43.000 I was talking with someone last week, just small talking with him.

02:32:46.000 I was with my fiance.

02:32:47.000 He goes, so what do you guys like do for fun? 0.99

02:32:49.000 And I kind of like look at Erica and I'm like, the fuck do we do for fun, you know? 0.99

02:32:54.000 I don't know. 0.97

02:32:55.000 We don't do anything.

02:32:56.000 We watch trash television and then in the summer I'll play spikeball.

02:33:00.000 That's about it.

02:33:01.000 But the identity thing is always something that I think is really interesting to me.

02:33:07.000 Just the human experience and trying to create this identity or latch on to some type of identity to me is one of the things that humans need to dig really deep to try to overcome.

02:33:21.000 I think that that's a piece of why we're here is to overcome...

02:33:24.000 Just latching on to an identity and rocking with that for your entire life.

02:33:29.000 That's something I feel like I had to do a lot coming up in the sport and just being like, okay, you're not a fighter.

02:33:37.000 You are a fighter, but only sometimes.

02:33:39.000 Really what you are is this other thing, but fighter is just a piece of it.

02:33:44.000 You're a human.

02:33:45.000 You're a human.

02:33:46.000 Yeah, and the fighting thing.

02:33:47.000 The thing about identities is that they can be a trap.

02:33:51.000 Like, you could just, like, lean into that and use that, like, to sort of protect you from just the weirdness of life.

02:33:59.000 Like, just the uncertainty.

02:34:04.000 Just the existence. 1.00

02:34:05.000 So instead, you're like, I'm a bad motherfucker, I'm a this, I'm a that, and you live in that, and then when that gets shattered, You're kind of fucked. 1.00

02:34:13.000 Because if that gets questioned in a fight, if you lose your confidence in that in a fight, and that's the thing that you're banking on, instead of just existing and trying to make adjustments, now you're questioning like, oh my god, do I suck? 1.00

02:34:25.000 Oh my god, what do I do?

02:34:27.000 Who am I? I've been pretending that I'm this thing, and now I'm getting my ass kicked. 1.00

02:34:31.000 How do I recover from this? 0.98

02:34:33.000 Yeah, the pull to organize life in a way is something that we all kind of have to do or deal with or whatever, but it feels better when things are organized and when we have reasons for things.

02:34:47.000 When I actually lost my first fight, that was when I really started getting into Buddhism, was after I lost my first professional fight.

02:34:54.000 Who was that to?

02:34:55.000 It was against Jamal Emmers.

02:34:57.000 It was for LFA or RFA or whatever it was called at the time, but... 0.70

02:35:01.000 I remember being like, oh shit, what am I if I'm not this badass fighter that everyone's telling me if I win I'm going to be in the UFC and I'm going to be champ and blah blah blah. 0.52

02:35:12.000 That shattered my identity, man. 0.98

02:35:14.000 It really fucked me up for like...

02:35:17.000 The rest of that year, six or eight months, I spent a ton of time in the mountains hiking and camping.

02:35:23.000 That's when I started meditating.

02:35:25.000 I started getting into Buddhism because Buddhism is really about letting go of all your attachments.

02:35:30.000 That means letting go of the physical stuff, but also the mental creation of whatever persona you're putting on in your life.

02:35:37.000 The mountains helped me do that.

02:35:38.000 They assisted in all of that.

02:35:41.000 The battle with identity I feel like I have like a pretty close intimate relationship with because it's a son of a bitch to try to let go of all of that stuff but you kind of have to I think at some point in your life if you want to really start being and expressing yourself the way that you want to.

02:35:56.000 Well I think that's what's interesting about this conversation is that you have done so much of this work and you have done so much of this thinking about what that is and how that aids you and how that hurts you and how it gets in the way.

02:36:08.000 Yeah.

02:36:10.000 I think that you just have to do it at some point in your life.

02:36:13.000 That's even, I think, one of the steps.

02:36:15.000 I follow Carl Jung kind of close.

02:36:18.000 He's a little bit too dense for me to fully understand. 0.98

02:36:20.000 But a part of becoming individuated or becoming enlightened or whatever word you want to use for it is letting go all that shit that you learned when you were younger. 0.97

02:36:31.000 Because none of that was really you. 0.98

02:36:33.000 Those were just things that you got indoctrinated into.

02:36:35.000 And like a part of I think the human experience and the human journey needs to be letting go of all of that stuff.

02:36:42.000 And like letting go of all of that stuff really hurts, you know?

02:36:45.000 Yeah.

02:36:46.000 Just letting go of these preconceived notions.

02:36:50.000 But the unease of uncertainty just haunts people.

02:36:55.000 Mm-hmm.

02:36:56.000 And you try to find these ways of being that protect you from that.

02:37:01.000 This personality that you put on that's like an armor that protects you from uncertainty.

02:37:08.000 Yeah.

02:37:08.000 It gives you a community.

02:37:10.000 It gives you other people that you feel like you can walk through this thing with.

02:37:14.000 But at the end of the day, it's kind of like just you.

02:37:18.000 And I think that... 1.00

02:37:20.000 It's only you that can figure out your shit. 1.00

02:37:23.000 It can't be a community of people that you're just going to identify with so that things run a little bit smoother. 1.00

02:37:29.000 I don't really think you'll become a full person.

02:37:31.000 How much do you think it helps your career that you teach?

02:37:36.000 A ton.

02:37:38.000 I've been teaching for a really long time now, though.

02:37:40.000 And I've kind of had to pull back a little bit because I realize how much of a commitment it is to have fighters underneath you.

02:37:49.000 It's not easy trying to make someone good.

02:37:51.000 So I've had to pull back on it a little bit.

02:37:53.000 Honestly, what's helped me a lot recently...

02:37:55.000 Become really good and, like, really a lot deeply understand things is I've been writing out those instructionals.

02:38:03.000 And, like, that's helped me a lot just, like, organize the things that I'm doing.

02:38:08.000 And, like, not, like, rules because rules can always be broken when I think that you're at a certain level.

02:38:13.000 But, like, man, writing shit out, like, how things work really, really has helped me a ton.

02:38:21.000 It's interesting, because in jujitsu, you see that a lot, where people start teaching, and when they start teaching, they get way better. 0.94

02:38:29.000 Yeah, I think, so I have this guy, he's almost like a little brother, or like a kid to me.

02:38:36.000 His name is Elias Rodriguez, but he's like one of my main drilling partners.

02:38:40.000 He's a 21-year-old kid.

02:38:41.000 I care about him deeply, but I'm helping him go through his amateur years right now, and I It's crazy how much me helping him is him helping me because I get to watch...

02:38:53.000 Like I said, I like watching people in stressful situations because I like to see how they act.

02:38:59.000 I help Elias and that has made me better understand things and all of that.

02:39:04.000 But also Elias is helping me a lot by me seeing...

02:39:08.000 One, if the things that I'm teaching him is working in all types of bodies.

02:39:14.000 I feel like if you have a really true and tried system, it's going to work for everyone to an extent.

02:39:20.000 But just watching Elias go through everything is really helping me understand the sport a lot better too.

02:39:27.000 And that's kind of like, because I'm helping him, he's able to do that for me.

02:39:32.000 But yeah, that's been a really, really helpful thing.

02:39:36.000 Like the instruction piece, I feel like I've been doing for so long, so I can like kind of teach some people some stuff fairly well now, but like bringing up a fighter has taught me a lot about being a fighter myself and all of that.

02:39:52.000 So, you have this big win over Marlon.

02:39:55.000 What happens next?

02:39:56.000 How long do you...

02:39:57.000 Does the UFC contact you immediately?

02:39:59.000 Do you start talking to them about what's next?

02:40:02.000 Does it wait on the Henry Cejudo-Algermain fight?

02:40:04.000 I think it kind of does.

02:40:06.000 I think...

02:40:07.000 So...

02:40:08.000 I'm pretty sure O'Malley was promised a title fight after the Cejudo-Sterling.

02:40:13.000 I don't know when that's going to be.

02:40:15.000 I think that ideally the UFC will want to do it pretty soon.

02:40:19.000 Maybe July-August soon.

02:40:21.000 Not give whoever wins that too much of a break.

02:40:26.000 Marab is still there.

02:40:29.000 I would love to fight Murab.

02:40:31.000 I think that that would be like an amazing challenge for me.

02:40:35.000 There's also Umar Nurmagomedov who said that he was going to be fighting against Murab.

02:40:41.000 I don't know how much truth there is to that, but I know that the UFC I think is pretty high on Umar. 1.00

02:40:45.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:40:46.000 He is. 1.00

02:40:47.000 He's very good.

02:40:48.000 So it could be one of those guys, but I would ideally like to fight in July or August.

02:40:53.000 Like I said, I get married September 1st, and Erica would understand if I had to be in camp for the wedding, but that would really break her heart.

02:41:02.000 I don't even care if it's the week before, and I don't even think she cares if it's the week before if I fight.

02:41:09.000 I would really like to fight before September 1st so that Erica doesn't kill me.

02:41:14.000 Well, the July card is going to be wild.

02:41:16.000 That's going to be a good one.

02:41:17.000 And I don't know who's on that yet.

02:41:19.000 I don't know if they have an announcement for that, but they always do a big card.

02:41:24.000 Volkanovski-Yair Rodriguez.

02:41:25.000 Unification bout targeted for July.

02:41:28.000 Oh, that's a good one.

02:41:29.000 That is a great one.

02:41:30.000 That's a good one.

02:41:31.000 Oh my goodness.

02:41:32.000 Yeah, you look great against Emmett. 1.00

02:41:34.000 Fuck yeah, he did. 1.00

02:41:35.000 He did great. 1.00

02:41:36.000 And Volk looked really great against Islam, too. 0.98

02:41:38.000 He really did, yeah. 1.00

02:41:39.000 But Volk at 145, what a fucking juggernaut. 0.99

02:41:42.000 Seriously. 0.99

02:41:43.000 Yeah, I am so impressed with that guy.

02:41:45.000 I was so impressed in that Makachev fight. 0.58

02:41:47.000 I'm like, I can't believe how well he did.

02:41:49.000 I thought he won.

02:41:50.000 I thought he did, too.

02:41:52.000 I thought it was all about the second round.

02:41:53.000 I thought he edged him in the second round.

02:41:54.000 And I thought that the way he performed in the fifth round, I think that should have cemented it.

02:41:59.000 Yeah, I was really impressed because I think that those Russian guys are obviously really good wrestlers, definitely world-class wrestlers, but I think what they were doing before a lot of the other people in the UFC is some people could get people down, but they couldn't really hold them.

02:42:14.000 And those guys know how to hold people down.

02:42:16.000 And I think that that's the most fascinating thing to me about the Russians is that...

02:42:22.000 The wrestling piece, there's a lot of good American wrestlers too, but the Russians really know how to hold people down. 1.00

02:42:27.000 And that was what I think separates them from the normal wrestler-grappler archetype.

02:42:33.000 Dude, the way Volkanovski was getting up against him was fantastic.

02:42:36.000 Incredible.

02:42:37.000 It was amazing.

02:42:38.000 Yeah.

02:42:38.000 Amazing.

02:42:39.000 Especially being down a weight class, usually.

02:42:41.000 I was kind of surprised he didn't have a rematch.

02:42:43.000 I mean, I know he wanted to defend his title, and Yair Rodriguez, obviously, he won the interim title, so he should get the next shot, but...

02:42:50.000 It was such a big fight and such an insane fight.

02:42:53.000 I would kind of like to see that again.

02:42:54.000 Oh, definitely.

02:42:55.000 Yeah.

02:42:56.000 Yeah, it makes sense. 1.00

02:42:57.000 Well, Corey, you're a bad motherfucker. 0.98

02:42:58.000 I appreciate you very much, and I really love your mindset and the way you approach things, and it's really fun to watch you just keep getting better and make your way to the top. 0.99

02:43:09.000 Hell yeah.

02:43:09.000 Thanks, Joe.

02:43:10.000 Thanks for having me on, man.

02:43:11.000 I appreciate you, brother.

02:43:11.000 I appreciate you.

02:43:11.000 Tell everybody your Instagram and all that stuff so they can find you.

02:43:16.000 CoreySanHaganMMA on Instagram.

02:43:17.000 I don't use Twitter ever, so yep, just Instagram.

02:43:20.000 All right.

02:43:20.000 Thank you.

02:43:21.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 11, 2011

JRE MMA Show #138 with Cory Sandhagen

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