The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #14 with Matt Brown

00:00:01.000 Four, three, two, one.

00:00:04.000 Boom! 0.99

00:00:04.000 And we're live. 0.99

00:00:05.000 What's up, brother?

00:00:06.000 How are you?

00:00:06.000 Very, very good.

00:00:07.000 Thanks for doing this, man.

00:00:08.000 I'm very excited to have you in here.

00:00:09.000 I'm honored to be here, man.

00:00:11.000 I was just thinking about this the other day, actually. 0.99

00:00:12.000 I was like, the fucking people that have been on this show, man. 0.99

00:00:18.000 Yeah, I think about it sometimes, too. 0.99

00:00:19.000 Freaks me out.

00:00:21.000 Sam Harris, James Hetfield.

00:00:25.000 Uh, man.

00:00:26.000 Yeah, I was thinking about all the people, man.

00:00:28.000 I was like, how do I compete with these guys?

00:00:30.000 Just be Matt Brown.

00:00:31.000 I know.

00:00:31.000 What are you talking about, man?

00:00:32.000 I know. 1.00

00:00:32.000 I mean, I could beat all their asses, but... 1.00

00:00:34.000 Well, in certain situations, that's all that counts. 0.99

00:00:38.000 The situations that I thrive in.

00:00:40.000 Exactly.

00:00:41.000 So, you were retired, and now you're not.

00:00:44.000 Now you just signed to fight Carlos Condit?

00:00:46.000 You got it. 0.99

00:00:47.000 Damn, that's a good fight. 1.00

00:00:49.000 I like that. 0.98

00:00:50.000 I think Carlos needed to fight back too, that fight with Neil Magny.

00:00:54.000 He looked like he was suffering through some ring rust.

00:00:58.000 I've talked to a lot of people about that because that's the first thing that always comes up is how he came back and looked in that fight.

00:01:05.000 I've trained with Neil a lot, man. 0.99

00:01:06.000 I'll tell you, Neil can shut a fucking game down right away. 0.99

00:01:09.000 Yeah, he's very good. 0.99

00:01:11.000 Yeah, we can't take away from Neil, man.

00:01:14.000 Carlos didn't seem to show any sense of urgency either, though.

00:01:17.000 So, you know, I think it's both sides, but I think he's also going to be looking for redemption with me.

00:01:25.000 Yeah, I think so, too.

00:01:26.000 Yeah, he wanted to come back right away, actually.

00:01:28.000 They actually asked me to fight.

00:01:30.000 It would have been like six weeks' notice.

00:01:32.000 What's the longest you've ever taken off?

00:01:36.000 After I fought Cowboy, I got knocked the fuck out and took a year off and fought Diego.

00:01:41.000 So what is it like coming back after a year?

00:01:45.000 It felt natural to me personally.

00:01:48.000 To you?

00:01:48.000 Yeah.

00:01:49.000 It's different for different people, right?

00:01:51.000 Yeah, someone was talking to me about this the other day, ring rust, and I was like, you know, everybody's different, man.

00:01:57.000 Every single person is going to react a little differently, and I think also when you have someone, you know, John Danner was talking about the different types of fighters, right?

00:02:05.000 I think he just grouped three different types of fighters, like a violence guy, a tactical guy, and something else.

00:02:12.000 Well, I think there's more types of fighters than what he went through, but I think it's going to affect every single type of person differently.

00:02:22.000 For instance, I fought a much more tactical fight against Diego It wasn't... 0.51

00:02:27.000 I mean, you could easily go in with Diego and just go to fucking war with him, right? 0.97

00:02:31.000 Gilbert Melendez style. 0.99

00:02:32.000 Exactly.

00:02:33.000 He's totally down for that.

00:02:34.000 That's what Diego is...

00:02:35.000 He will wake right up and go for that, right?

00:02:38.000 I was like, man, I'm better than him.

00:02:39.000 Let's just be tactical.

00:02:40.000 And I think that was part of why it helped.

00:02:43.000 Now, I think someone that goes in with a more violent style, which I've done many times in my life, I think that's a bit more complicated because...

00:02:54.000 There's a lot more timing and reaction in that, whereas the strategy, you have a very clear path to victory.

00:03:00.000 You know exactly what you got to do.

00:03:02.000 You're just going in there and just connecting the dots when you get in there.

00:03:06.000 And staying on the plan.

00:03:08.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:03:09.000 Now, when you get a guy like Diego, though, that temptation has got to be always there, right?

00:03:13.000 Because he's so willing.

00:03:15.000 Well, if it's necessary.

00:03:17.000 Because you love that kind of fighting.

00:03:19.000 That's one of the reasons why you're so loved.

00:03:21.000 There's never been a Matt Brown fight ever that's boring.

00:03:26.000 There's a lot of guys that have, because of styles, because of whatever, they've had fights that weren't very crowd-pleasing.

00:03:33.000 But your style has always been do or die, seek and destroy.

00:03:38.000 That's one of the reasons why people love you.

00:03:40.000 Yeah, that just goes back to my mentality of why I'm fighting to start with.

00:03:45.000 It's not really about...

00:03:47.000 Just winning.

00:03:48.000 I think that's sort of a Western culture thing, sort of an American thing.

00:03:52.000 Like, I kind of go back to the original Pride, and it's like, look, just fight, man.

00:03:58.000 You know, this is a fun thing.

00:04:00.000 This is a badass thing we're doing.

00:04:02.000 This is an amazing thing.

00:04:03.000 Go in there and fight.

00:04:04.000 Test yourself.

00:04:05.000 The Bushido spirit.

00:04:06.000 Things like that.

00:04:08.000 And it doesn't have to be just win at all costs.

00:04:12.000 You know, this is, you know, To me, it waters down the sport.

00:04:17.000 I mean, that's not what combat is about.

00:04:21.000 So, you know, it's not me.

00:04:23.000 Well, I mean, that's what makes it interesting, is that there are different styles.

00:04:26.000 There's people that have safety-first styles, where they're just fighting to win, and then there's other people like yourself that just, whatever's inside you that comes out.

00:04:35.000 You know, I always said this, like, there's certain dudes, like, because of your history, because of, I mean, you had an overdose where you literally died.

00:04:45.000 And the same with Court McGee.

00:04:47.000 He had the same situation happen to him. 0.98

00:04:49.000 I always said that dudes that have gone to the other side are fucking terrifying inside the cage. 0.96

00:04:55.000 There's a certain thing. 0.97

00:04:58.000 I don't know if it's just coincidentally that both of you guys have that mindset.

00:05:02.000 Or let's forget about even Court, but you have this mindset.

00:05:05.000 And I've always said, I wonder if there's a correlation.

00:05:09.000 Between such extreme lows in your life where you bottomed out so hard, literally your body had shut down and you were ready to pass on.

00:05:19.000 The doctor saved you and you've got a mindset going into that cage that's just another notch more intense than most people.

00:05:29.000 Certainly.

00:05:31.000 To be honest, that's something I've sort of struggled with a lot too because it wasn't actually that specific moment The overdose that kind of affected me the way it did.

00:05:41.000 It was more a long-term life of Well, I would say I've just been an angry person, honestly, like just since I grew up.

00:05:51.000 So it was all about channeling that anger.

00:05:54.000 A lot of fighters like that, right?

00:05:56.000 I think so.

00:05:57.000 I think it's one of the beauties of martial arts.

00:05:59.000 That helps you channel that?

00:06:01.000 Yeah.

00:06:01.000 I mean, we all have to find an outlet.

00:06:04.000 I didn't discover martial arts until, what, 22, 23, 21, 22, something like that. 0.99

00:06:14.000 And, you know, so before my outlet was drugs and alcohol, you know, that was my way to say fuck everybody, right? 0.97

00:06:22.000 And, you know, it just went too far. 0.98

00:06:26.000 But, like I said, when it is expressed in the cage, that's more of a long-term thing.

00:06:34.000 Growing up, an angry person.

00:06:37.000 I always give a lot of credit to Jamie Joss, the hate breed.

00:06:41.000 That's who I walk out to nowadays.

00:06:43.000 It's a dream come true to have a walkout song by them.

00:06:50.000 That was the first time that I was able to find a positive outlet for that energy.

00:06:55.000 I didn't know what heavy metal was growing up.

00:06:59.000 I grew up in a small farm town.

00:07:02.000 I didn't know what that was, but Heavy Metal gave me an outlet.

00:07:06.000 And Hatebreed was the first one that gave me a positive outlet.

00:07:09.000 Before, it was negative.

00:07:12.000 Pantera, Slayer, stuff like this.

00:07:15.000 It's all negativity.

00:07:17.000 So this rage is coming out in a negative sense and gets expressed through drugs, alcohol, hanging with the wrong people, things like that.

00:07:25.000 And then there's a turning point where I'm like, man, this can be a positive thing and I can use this energy directed towards something positive.

00:07:34.000 What were you angry about growing up?

00:07:37.000 Ah, good question.

00:07:40.000 Man, that goes deep, man, because, you know, I grew up in a very, very, very small town, 200 people population.

00:07:49.000 I didn't see a skyscraper until I was up in person.

00:07:54.000 We drove by it in Dayton, Ohio, which is a big town in itself.

00:07:59.000 Until I was like over 18 years old, you know, so I was I always felt like there was so much more out there for me And I was kind of expand grew up in a machine shop.

00:08:08.000 My dad was a machinist So I was doing that from like five years old. 0.93

00:08:12.000 I was sweeping the fucking floor And I was like, man, this is not what I'm meant to be. 0.97

00:08:19.000 I'm supposed to be something great, but everybody around me is like, no, this is what you do. 0.99

00:08:24.000 You live in this little town and you follow the rules.

00:08:27.000 You're going to be a machinist or a farmer or whatever. 0.99

00:08:33.000 You know that shit pissed me off you know and I never really found my niche and so I was homeschooled actually for I think two years in junior high so I think that was sort of actually the start because I went back to school and when I went back to school I was now the outsider I didn't have any friends and then going up all of a sudden I'm in high school and I have no friends I have no I can't get laid for shit I think that's what causes anger and a 0.99

00:09:03.000 lot of people in the world, right? 0.99

00:09:05.000 Oh, yeah, and depression.

00:09:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah factor.

00:09:08.000 Yeah, and at the exact same time I'm starting to experiment with drugs and alcohol So you put the two together, you know, I was supposed to be The prodigal son, you know, I mean like I was very intelligent.

00:09:22.000 I was You know, I like I was doing things by time I was 15 years old in the machine shop that that guys You know, they've been working for my father for 10-15 years, couldn't do.

00:09:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:35.000 So I was sort of this prodigal son.

00:09:37.000 I was good at athletics and everything.

00:09:39.000 Had no problem with all that stuff.

00:09:41.000 So I think it was just sort of a backlash, you know, and then I let that anger get the best of me.

00:09:48.000 So now, when you were doing drugs and alcohol, what were the drugs?

00:09:53.000 Like, what was the drug that caused you to overdose?

00:09:55.000 Heroin.

00:09:56.000 An injection, yeah. 1.00

00:09:58.000 Damn, that's deep. 1.00

00:09:59.000 When you're injecting it, that's when you're all in, baby. 0.99

00:10:03.000 Yeah, and you know, I didn't actually do it a whole lot, is kind of the funny thing.

00:10:06.000 A lot of people thought that I was addicted to heroin, and I wasn't.

00:10:10.000 I think that was probably the fifth time that I did it.

00:10:12.000 Maybe six, something like that.

00:10:13.000 I didn't count, but...

00:10:16.000 That was my step into the dark side.

00:10:21.000 A blessing and a curse, man.

00:10:25.000 It immediately was like, oh, okay, that's what can happen.

00:10:29.000 It's the step back.

00:10:31.000 And, you know, I was very naive, very... 0.99

00:10:34.000 Man, I was a fool, really. 0.97

00:10:36.000 Like, because what I did, I remember leaving the hospital. 0.98

00:10:43.000 I was like, okay, well, I'm never doing heroin again, but let's go do some coke.

00:10:49.000 Right? 0.97

00:10:50.000 So I was just a dummy, man.

00:10:52.000 How old were you?

00:10:53.000 I think I was 21, 22. One of those.

00:10:57.000 I mean, it was like 15 years ago.

00:10:59.000 There's a lot of stuff I... I was actually kind of thinking about, like, so again, you know, on this podcast, I was like, you know, it's probably going to come up on it.

00:11:08.000 It's a pretty intense story. 0.99

00:11:11.000 I was like, damn, I can't remember all the details of that shit. 0.99

00:11:14.000 It was like a long time ago, but... 0.99

00:11:16.000 Anyway, yeah, so I was like 21, 22, and...

00:11:20.000 It wasn't too much long later.

00:11:23.000 I lived with this girl, and she was a drug addict too, and she had a couple kids. 0.96

00:11:29.000 It was like, alright, well, now I got a place to live. 0.99

00:11:34.000 Let's get fucked up. 0.99

00:11:37.000 I never did... 0.99

00:11:40.000 Heroin again after that, obviously.

00:11:43.000 I think I did Oxy's though.

00:11:45.000 Percocet, stuff like that.

00:11:47.000 Oxy's is basically the same thing, right?

00:11:48.000 Yeah, which I mean I didn't realize it at the time.

00:11:52.000 But really my drug of choice was meth back in that day.

00:11:56.000 That was what I really liked.

00:11:58.000 That was actually what I was addicted to at one point.

00:12:01.000 And I ended up going to jail and that was what got me out of addiction.

00:12:07.000 I didn't realize I was addicted until I was in jail.

00:12:11.000 What made you realize it when you were in jail?

00:12:14.000 I just couldn't stop thinking about it and just wanting it.

00:12:18.000 I didn't have cold sweats or anything.

00:12:23.000 I don't think that happens with uppers.

00:12:26.000 I couldn't stop thinking about it, man.

00:12:30.000 I was like, dude, just...

00:12:32.000 A lot of that anger was coming out. 1.00

00:12:34.000 I was just like, God, like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:12:35.000 Like, I wanted to fight everybody. 0.99

00:12:36.000 I was like, somebody give me something, you know?

00:12:39.000 Wow.

00:12:39.000 Yeah, it was just a really terrible experience, but probably only lasted three, four days.

00:12:45.000 Not even, maybe not even that.

00:12:47.000 And then you came out of it.

00:12:48.000 Yeah, I mean, I was just, like, able to accept my fate and deal with it.

00:12:53.000 What does it feel like to be on meth?

00:12:55.000 Uh, you ever take Adderall?

00:12:57.000 No.

00:12:58.000 I've never taken an Adderall?

00:12:58.000 No.

00:12:59.000 Um...

00:13:02.000 Pretty similar to Adderall, right?

00:13:03.000 Yeah, it's like Adderall.

00:13:04.000 I mean, that's the closest I would say.

00:13:09.000 I mean, you're high, but you don't have...

00:13:12.000 I mean, a sense of euphoria, more than anything.

00:13:15.000 Excuse me?

00:13:16.000 Just an extreme sense of euphoria.

00:13:19.000 Just everything's beautiful, but then, man, as soon as you start to lose that a little bit...

00:13:26.000 You just itch for it so bad, man.

00:13:29.000 So bad.

00:13:30.000 Like, you just want it again.

00:13:32.000 You don't want to sleep.

00:13:34.000 Like, your teeth will be grinding.

00:13:36.000 You're just like, ugh.

00:13:38.000 You're just tensing up all your muscles.

00:13:40.000 Like, God, well, I got to get more of that, you know?

00:13:43.000 Now, were you working out at all back then?

00:13:45.000 No.

00:13:45.000 Nothing?

00:13:48.000 Well, not working out like I should be.

00:13:50.000 So, again, I was angry.

00:13:52.000 A lot of times, like, I'd be at a party.

00:13:53.000 This was a common thing.

00:13:54.000 I'd be at, like, a party or just doing drugs, whatever. 0.98

00:13:57.000 And I just started getting, look at everybody, like, I fucking don't like none of you. 0.97

00:14:01.000 And I would just walk outside and I would go for a run. 0.98

00:14:04.000 I'd run five, six miles, come back, and be like, all right, give me another line or whatever.

00:14:09.000 Wow.

00:14:09.000 Yeah.

00:14:10.000 You would run and then come back to the party?

00:14:12.000 Yeah.

00:14:13.000 And then sometimes I would fight people.

00:14:15.000 That was common.

00:14:16.000 Very, very common.

00:14:17.000 If you call that working out.

00:14:23.000 This particular time in my life, I was living in a little town called Jamestown, Ohio.

00:14:28.000 And I had this buddy.

00:14:31.000 He was a friend.

00:14:32.000 His cousin was a fighter.

00:14:34.000 And this was kind of my first...

00:14:38.000 A foray into mixed martial arts.

00:14:40.000 Our first experience watching it and everything.

00:14:44.000 And they would train in the grass in the backyard.

00:14:47.000 I remember watching Ken Shamrock DVDs or VHSs back then.

00:14:55.000 Leg locks. 0.99

00:14:55.000 We'd go on the living room floor, like just be shit-faced drunk. 0.99

00:14:58.000 I'm lucky I didn't tear my ACL or anything. 0.99

00:15:00.000 We're like, oh, this is what he's doing.

00:15:02.000 This is how you do it.

00:15:03.000 Heel hooks. 1.00

00:15:03.000 Yeah, heel hooks. 1.00

00:15:04.000 I mean, I don't remember all the techniques, but I remember it was like, you know, pancreation stuff, right?

00:15:09.000 And we'd just be laying there, and it was always a thought of like, dude, this is fucking awesome, man.

00:15:14.000 Like, I could beat Tank Abbott. 0.88

00:15:19.000 You know, and we would joke about it, man.

00:15:20.000 We would say, I remember specifically sitting there, like, dude, like, you know, we're going to get you a fight in, you know, the local Joe Schmo show, and then, you know, we're going to get you up, and you're going to go to Pride, and then you're going to go to the UFC. And I was like, oh, cool, hell yeah, let's do it.

00:15:37.000 And...

00:15:38.000 That was, you know, it was like a joke, kind of, but that was what was in my head.

00:15:43.000 That's what we were going to do.

00:15:44.000 So that was your first introduction to martial arts.

00:15:46.000 Yeah.

00:15:47.000 So what was your first real formal training?

00:15:49.000 Like, what gym did you first...

00:15:50.000 So I fought before I trained. 1.00

00:15:52.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.97

00:15:56.000 Yeah, so... 0.95

00:15:59.000 So actually, this guy, he was supposed to go fight Wes Sims.

00:16:05.000 And his name was Fat Joe, is what we called him.

00:16:08.000 He was supposed to go fight Wes Sims that day.

00:16:13.000 And I said, yeah, let's go, man.

00:16:15.000 I want to go with you. 1.00

00:16:16.000 I want to see this shit up close, right? 0.99

00:16:17.000 So we go there, and I'm doing a bunch of coke on the way. 0.99

00:16:21.000 To me, it's just going to be a party.

00:16:23.000 I'm just going to watch my dude fight.

00:16:24.000 I get there, and...

00:16:27.000 You know, he signs up on the table, and I was like, dude, is that how, you know, that's all you got to do?

00:16:33.000 He's like, yeah, he's like, you just paid 30 bucks and you come fight.

00:16:36.000 I said, man, maybe I should do that.

00:16:38.000 And then the guy, and I'm looking inside, and I see the, you know, people sitting around smoking cigars, like you see on a movie.

00:16:44.000 People smoking cigars, you see bets being made and stuff, and the guy goes, man, you want to fight the champion?

00:16:50.000 Like, nobody wants to fight him. 0.99

00:16:52.000 I was like, fuck yeah, man. 1.00

00:16:54.000 I'll fight him. 1.00

00:16:55.000 Are you kidding me?

00:16:56.000 So I literally went across the street.

00:16:57.000 There's a sporting goods store across the street or down the street or something.

00:17:01.000 Went and bought a mouthpiece.

00:17:02.000 Come back.

00:17:03.000 There's a restaurant across the street.

00:17:05.000 Boiled the mouthpiece at the restaurant.

00:17:06.000 Used that microwave.

00:17:07.000 Come back.

00:17:08.000 And then we're at the fighters' meeting.

00:17:10.000 So the fighters' meeting back then was a lot different.

00:17:12.000 So there wasn't weigh-in.

00:17:14.000 It was like, you and you, you guys look about the same size.

00:17:17.000 You guys doing kickboxing?

00:17:18.000 Okay, you guys fight.

00:17:20.000 So that's the way it worked out.

00:17:21.000 And I'm sitting there and they're like, okay, you're the champion, you're fighting him. 1.00

00:17:25.000 And I was like, oh shit, alright, fuck this motherfucker, right? 1.00

00:17:30.000 So I'm sitting backstage and this guy, he taught me how to do a jab. 1.00

00:17:33.000 He's like, man, all you gotta do to beat this guy, just jab him.

00:17:36.000 He's like, you see this?

00:17:37.000 Just throw this jab. 1.00

00:17:38.000 I was like, oh, okay, I'm gonna do that.

00:17:41.000 And I went out there and I beat the guy.

00:17:43.000 So he actually quit.

00:17:44.000 Yeah, he actually quit, you know, so he was a tough man champion is what he was.

00:17:48.000 And I actually threw a jab, punched him in the face, and he went to shoot on me.

00:17:53.000 I did, you know, a playground guillotine choke, and he just quit.

00:17:57.000 I don't think I actually had the choke in.

00:17:58.000 I don't, I highly doubt.

00:18:00.000 Did he tap?

00:18:01.000 He tapped out saying that his calf cramped up.

00:18:07.000 I have no idea, you know, like, what really happened.

00:18:10.000 I mean, I certainly didn't know a guillotine choke.

00:18:12.000 I didn't even know the name of it.

00:18:14.000 So, anyway, later that night, I was like, dude, like, your fight didn't go very long.

00:18:18.000 You want to fight again?

00:18:20.000 Yeah, whatever, man.

00:18:21.000 And I said, well, this guy, you know, he's going pro in his next boxing match.

00:18:25.000 You're a kickboxer.

00:18:27.000 Let's fight him. 1.00

00:18:28.000 I said, all right, I'll fuck him up, right? 1.00

00:18:31.000 This dude beat the shit out of me. 1.00

00:18:33.000 So that was actually the first. 0.94

00:18:34.000 The nice thing about that was it actually made me realize how tough I am.

00:18:37.000 That was the saving grace.

00:18:39.000 I mean, he just, you know, just pieced me up.

00:18:41.000 Just one punch after another.

00:18:43.000 You know, I'm just eating punch after punch.

00:18:45.000 And then, yeah, that was it. 1.00

00:18:47.000 I said, man, I gotta do this shit. 0.99

00:18:49.000 And then, so my second fight, you know, I didn't think I still yet needed to train. 0.99

00:18:55.000 My second fight, I met a guy at a gym.

00:18:59.000 So, you know, I did go to this gym.

00:19:00.000 It was a Japanese jiu-jitsu gym.

00:19:02.000 And he goes, hey man, you want to fight in like two weeks in Muay Thai?

00:19:06.000 Hell yeah, right?

00:19:09.000 So, for two weeks, you know, I hit the bag probably for five minutes at a time, whatever, or something.

00:19:15.000 I go to the fight and, man, this is the worst part.

00:19:20.000 So, I get in there, the first thing a guy does, comes in, shoots on me, takes me down.

00:19:25.000 We're in big gloves, shin pads and all this, takes me down. 0.99

00:19:29.000 I get up, look at the wrestler, what the fuck? 0.99

00:19:31.000 He's taking me down. 0.99

00:19:32.000 We can't do this, Muay Thai.

00:19:34.000 He's like, fight!

00:19:36.000 Comes in, takes me down again. 1.00

00:19:37.000 I was like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

00:19:39.000 So I was like, okay, so we're fucking wrestling, right? 1.00

00:19:42.000 So I come out and get in sort of a wrestling stance, drop my hands, fucking kicks me in my head. 0.99

00:19:47.000 So, uh, we'll come find out later at San Shao. 0.98

00:19:50.000 Not Muay Thai.

00:19:51.000 Scott Sheely's show.

00:19:52.000 I used to work with him a lot.

00:19:54.000 San Shao, for people who don't know, was, uh, kickboxing with takedowns.

00:19:58.000 Yep.

00:19:59.000 I cornered Maurice Smith back in the day when Maurice was doing that once.

00:20:03.000 Ah, okay.

00:20:04.000 Yeah, in Burbank, I think it was.

00:20:06.000 It was weird.

00:20:07.000 It was confusing.

00:20:09.000 It's like, okay.

00:20:09.000 I mean, it's interesting, I guess.

00:20:12.000 I mean, it's probably a good skill set to learn.

00:20:14.000 Learn how to do takedowns and throws with kickboxing.

00:20:18.000 But then you just let the guy up, which is just weird.

00:20:21.000 You didn't get it, huh?

00:20:22.000 It was weird.

00:20:23.000 Yeah.

00:20:23.000 I mean, it still goes on.

00:20:24.000 I think it's an amazing sport.

00:20:27.000 I love it.

00:20:27.000 It's amazing.

00:20:29.000 A lot of times it's a lot like throws in Muay Thai.

00:20:32.000 Because, you know, there's a lot of trips and throws in Muay Thai.

00:20:35.000 Except you get points for the throws.

00:20:38.000 Yeah, up to five.

00:20:40.000 Another variation.

00:20:42.000 I think if their feet go above their head, it's five points.

00:20:45.000 So when did you get serious?

00:20:47.000 So you did this, you did two of this. 0.98

00:20:47.000 It was right after that, because he beat the shit out of me. 0.98

00:20:52.000 Like I remember walking out of there and people were looking at me like damn How'd you survive that bro? 0.99

00:20:57.000 I mean and like people were actually asking me how like dude, how did you survive that shit? 0.99

00:21:02.000 I don't know I Had to go to work that night. 0.99

00:21:06.000 I was like working third shift Everybody was looking at me at work.

00:21:11.000 I did you got like two black eyes if anyway That was when I said to myself, you know, I want to try this.

00:21:19.000 And, you know, I think, you know, this is something I really enjoy and I want to go for it.

00:21:24.000 So I met this guy.

00:21:26.000 His name was Eli Ayers, and he was fighting in King of the Cage, one of the toughest guys I've ever met, and a guy, Braden Workman.

00:21:32.000 And they were training for, it was a big show there in Columbus.

00:21:37.000 I can't remember the name of the show, but I think, like, Lawler fought on it.

00:21:40.000 Like, a bunch of Miletic guys, Tim Sylvia. 1.00

00:21:43.000 You know the name if I say it.

00:21:45.000 I can't remember. 0.98

00:21:45.000 But anyway, yeah, and then, you know, then I really got this shit kicked out of me when I got in the gym. 0.98

00:21:52.000 You know, then I realized, like, you know, what a real beating was. 0.97

00:21:56.000 And, yeah, it just went from there, man, because I just said I never looked back, and I thought, man, you know, I want to change my life.

00:22:03.000 You know, I wasn't never actually a...

00:22:09.000 The type of person that fit in with the drug user scene, right?

00:22:14.000 Like, that wasn't me.

00:22:15.000 It was just, again, an expression of anger and these things that, you know, in my childhood just kind of came out the wrong way, right?

00:22:25.000 So it wasn't really like I fit in there.

00:22:29.000 So at this point, I'm really not fitting in anywhere.

00:22:32.000 And this was a quote that I remember where I said, stop trying to find yourself and start to define yourself.

00:22:38.000 And I felt like the whole time I was trying to find myself. 0.99

00:22:41.000 And I said, you know, I'm going to define who the fuck I am. 0.98

00:22:44.000 I'm going to say this is what I am and this is what I do. 0.99

00:22:46.000 I'm a fighter. 1.00

00:22:47.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:22:48.000 Let's go. 1.00

00:22:48.000 It's do or die. 1.00

00:22:51.000 I've been in jail. 0.58

00:22:52.000 I've been dead. 1.00

00:22:54.000 I've slept in the fucking snow. 1.00

00:22:57.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:22:57.000 I've been homeless. 1.00

00:22:59.000 I've done every low thing you can do.

00:23:01.000 What's the worst that could happen?

00:23:02.000 I get knocked out.

00:23:03.000 There's nothing.

00:23:05.000 I decided this is my path.

00:23:08.000 I'm going to carve the path.

00:23:09.000 I'm not going to search for a path.

00:23:11.000 I'm going to make the path.

00:23:12.000 I'm not going to look back.

00:23:14.000 I'm going to the top of that mountain.

00:23:17.000 And that's something I still talk about today when I talk to people.

00:23:21.000 I didn't have any idea how I was going to do it, but I knew why I was going to do it, and I knew that I was going to do it.

00:23:26.000 And I think in my own personal struggles, and I think in a lot of people's struggles, they kind of get caught up in the how.

00:23:32.000 You know, how am I going to do this?

00:23:33.000 How am I going to win this fight?

00:23:34.000 Whatever.

00:23:35.000 I think when you understand your why, I think the how becomes a lot more Clear?

00:23:41.000 Clear, yeah.

00:23:42.000 More clear and easier.

00:23:43.000 I mean, it doesn't matter anymore.

00:23:45.000 It's better to do it 100% wrong than 50% right.

00:23:48.000 I think there's a balance to doing things, and it's highlighted by what you just said.

00:23:53.000 There's a balance, and it's a lot of what we were talking about earlier, about Joel Jameson versus Louie Simmons.

00:24:00.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:24:00.000 Versus like someone who's like super technical versus someone who's just a fucking mad dog and just wants you to just go out and do it and don't be a pussy. 1.00

00:24:08.000 Your mindset that allowed you to take that fight with no training and then take another fight after that with no training and then take another fight after that with no training. 1.00

00:24:17.000 Just this mindset of fuck it, let's just do this. 0.97

00:24:22.000 There's a balance between that and then you realizing, okay, I got to really learn how to do this. 1.00

00:24:30.000 If I'm going to really be a fighter, I'm going to really define myself, I'm going to really go out and make a mark, I got to learn what the fuck I'm doing. 0.96

00:24:38.000 Exactly.

00:24:39.000 There's both things there.

00:24:40.000 That's that balance.

00:24:41.000 You need both things. 1.00

00:24:43.000 I mean, you have to have a certain amount of fuck it in you. 1.00

00:24:47.000 You have to have a certain amount. 1.00

00:24:50.000 For a sport, I mean, is he calling MMA a sport?

00:24:53.000 It always seemed to me to be...

00:24:55.000 It's too...

00:24:59.000 It's too defining.

00:25:01.000 It's too limited.

00:25:05.000 Fighting is more than a sport.

00:25:07.000 It's an expression of what you're capable of.

00:25:10.000 Absolutely.

00:25:11.000 It's who you are as a human.

00:25:14.000 And that's where one distinction I've made over the years is the difference between martial skills and martial arts.

00:25:20.000 Everybody always calls everything and encompasses it into a martial art.

00:25:24.000 And when we go to the gym and we're training arm bars, do 100 arm bars, that's not an art.

00:25:29.000 That's not your expression of your body in a combat scenario.

00:25:34.000 That's a martial skill.

00:25:36.000 Now, when we go in competition, now we're expressing our art.

00:25:39.000 And I think this is an important distinction to be made.

00:25:41.000 I think it's something that I get so tired of hearing, you know, I train martial arts and, you know, I train martial skills and then I express my art.

00:25:50.000 That's a very interesting way of putting it.

00:25:52.000 How many years after you initially started seriously training were you on the Ultimate Fighter?

00:25:59.000 Four or five.

00:26:01.000 I remember when you were on the Ultimate Fighter and they stole your chew. 0.98

00:26:04.000 Somebody fucked with your chew. 0.98

00:26:05.000 That's what everybody remembers, yeah. 1.00

00:26:06.000 Well, I remember that because I remember, like, there's some dudes that, there's some guys that play tough guy, there's some guys that put on a show and puff up their chest and say some shit that they might not necessarily mean, and then there's some guys that say some shit and you go, uh-oh, this dude's fucking serious. 0.99

00:26:26.000 I remember when they fucked with your Chew. 1.00

00:26:27.000 I remember watching that and I'd go, this motherfucker's serious. 1.00

00:26:31.000 I'm like, Matt Brown's not a joker. 0.99

00:26:33.000 And then when you fought Matt Arroyo, that was another example of it.

00:26:38.000 I'm like, skill-wise, Matt Arroyo's a very talented guy and still is.

00:26:42.000 Good jiu-jitsu guy, good fighter.

00:26:45.000 But there was something, that was a battle of minds.

00:26:48.000 I agree.

00:26:50.000 And I don't know if you knew that I fought him before that, too.

00:26:52.000 Yeah, I did.

00:26:53.000 But the first time I fought, and this is why it was such a no-brainer to say to fight, I fought him the first time on 24 hours notice.

00:27:00.000 So I wasn't training her.

00:27:02.000 I was training a girl, and she was going to Florida to fight.

00:27:07.000 And when I got there, we're driving to the weigh-ins, and the promoter, I heard him talking on the phone, and I heard him say, you know, oh, we don't have an opponent for him.

00:27:17.000 So I said, hey, you know, what do you need an opponent for?

00:27:20.000 And he's like, well, this guy, Matt Arroyo, you know, 170. And I said, dude, I'll fight.

00:27:26.000 Like, how much will you pay me?

00:27:27.000 And they're like, yeah, 400, 500 bucks.

00:27:29.000 I was like, dude, that'll pay my rent. 0.99

00:27:31.000 Fuck yeah, I'll do it. 1.00

00:27:33.000 And... 1.00

00:27:34.000 Yeah, and I said, you know, I can't make weight because I got like one hour.

00:27:38.000 And, you know, he said, it's cool.

00:27:40.000 And fought him on 24 hours notice and beat him.

00:27:42.000 So he wanted redemption for that.

00:27:45.000 Yeah.

00:27:47.000 That fight was in it.

00:27:48.000 One of the things about, like, watching you fight is someone who's seen a lot of people fight.

00:27:53.000 There's moments in exchanges where after the exchange, a guy will try to take a break.

00:27:58.000 Or a guy will try to catch his breath or move a pace.

00:28:02.000 The obligatory.

00:28:02.000 Yeah, there's little breaks, and then there's guys who recognize those breaks and push in.

00:28:08.000 And you're a guy who pushes in.

00:28:10.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:28:10.000 When there's a break, you're like, oh, no, motherfucker, there's no breaks here. 1.00

00:28:13.000 There's no breaks here. 0.99

00:28:14.000 And you just get on, dudes.

00:28:16.000 And it makes things very intense.

00:28:18.000 That's the thing about all your fights.

00:28:20.000 They're very intense.

00:28:22.000 There's a certain level of violence that you bring into the octagon that someone has to be prepared for.

00:28:28.000 You know, and there's some guys that are prepared for it and makes for amazing fights, like your fight with Robbie Lawler. 0.97

00:28:34.000 Holy shit, was that a crazy fight. 0.97

00:28:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:28:36.000 You know, and then there's guys who just, they just can't keep the pace. 0.99

00:28:39.000 They just can't keep that, that keeping you off of them.

00:28:42.000 Yeah, and I think my goal as a martial artist, as a fighter, martial, you know, whatever you call it, combat guy, you know, I gotta get my skills up to the point where...

00:28:56.000 It matches your mind.

00:28:56.000 Where it matches the mind, yeah.

00:28:58.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:28:59.000 Yeah.

00:29:00.000 I mean, a lot of guys struggle the other way.

00:29:02.000 Yeah.

00:29:02.000 And I think one of the things that I talk about a lot that...

00:29:08.000 You see, I don't think that I was necessarily born this way.

00:29:11.000 This is where I think a lot of people get confused.

00:29:16.000 I mean, I was certainly born with an inclination towards fighting.

00:29:20.000 I wouldn't be where I'm at without that.

00:29:22.000 But, you know, I work a lot on my mind.

00:29:28.000 I do a lot of stuff I've always been obsessed with martial arts and combat as a whole.

00:29:37.000 I hear other people say they're obsessed.

00:29:39.000 Connor made it really famous when he started saying it.

00:29:41.000 I think my obsession goes far, far beyond what anybody's even close to.

00:29:46.000 I don't think their definition of obsession even...

00:29:52.000 It's comparable to mine at all.

00:29:53.000 I mean, I'm far more obsessed.

00:29:55.000 I've read probably, I got a library of sports psychology books, of strength and conditioning books, of martial arts books, all that stuff.

00:30:04.000 I mean, it's literally on my mind 24 hours a day.

00:30:06.000 But one of the things I really focus on is the sports psychology part.

00:30:11.000 I think that is why it's expressed that way in the fight.

00:30:16.000 And you hear a lot of people, they'll say...

00:30:18.000 How have you heard, like, man, you know, my mind's already strong. 1.00

00:30:21.000 Like, I ain't scared when I walk in there or stupid shit like that. 0.99

00:30:24.000 And I always say, you know, do you think Michael Jordan stopped practicing layups? 0.99

00:30:29.000 Do you think Jordan Burroughs stopped practicing double legs?

00:30:32.000 Do you think that Arnold Schwarzenegger stopped doing bicep curls?

00:30:36.000 Because it's good doesn't mean that you stopped.

00:30:39.000 Can't be improved upon.

00:30:39.000 Yeah, it can be improved upon and you don't stop.

00:30:42.000 And I think the mind is one of those things that can always be better.

00:30:47.000 Like we're not tapping into...

00:30:49.000 I mean, what are we tapping?

00:30:50.000 Like 10% of our brains? 1.00

00:30:51.000 That's all bullshit. 1.00

00:30:52.000 Yeah, that's bullshit. 1.00

00:30:53.000 They used to think that. 1.00

00:30:54.000 They used to think that.

00:30:57.000 That's something they say, but the reality is your brain has a bunch of different quadrants for all sorts of different functions.

00:31:04.000 Okay.

00:31:05.000 So when, you know, you're utilizing a certain portion of your brain, that's the portion of your brain that's responsible for those actions.

00:31:11.000 Okay.

00:31:12.000 Either way, our minds are certainly far more unlimited and far more potential than we're tapping into, right?

00:31:18.000 Well, I think your mind is a lot like your body.

00:31:20.000 And it performs and it does what you ask of it. 1.00

00:31:24.000 And if you just are a lazy bitch who doesn't do anything but sit around and watch TV and you don't ever challenge your mind, I think your mind is weak and it atrophies. 1.00

00:31:33.000 Absolutely, yeah. 1.00

00:31:34.000 When you say that you have all these books and you say that you work on your mind, do you have a daily practice that you do?

00:31:40.000 Do you meditate?

00:31:41.000 I meditate.

00:31:44.000 Daily is sort of a...

00:31:46.000 I hate saying I do it daily because I skip days.

00:31:51.000 I have three kids, which you know how that goes.

00:31:57.000 At the same time, I try to use everything as an opportunity to practice on my mind, too.

00:32:04.000 How you do anything is how you do everything, right?

00:32:08.000 So I think we can use opportunities all the time.

00:32:13.000 But yes, I do meditate.

00:32:15.000 I do tons of visualization.

00:32:17.000 I have my strength and conditioning coach I work with now.

00:32:21.000 He's also got a degree in sports psychology.

00:32:23.000 So we integrate a lot of that in the training itself.

00:32:27.000 For instance, we do these 200-yard sprints on the forced treadmill that are just miserable.

00:32:33.000 By the time you're done, you just don't have anything left.

00:32:35.000 It's a complete drain.

00:32:37.000 And then as soon as you're done, you have to stand at attention.

00:32:39.000 I have to stand military attention, straight up and down.

00:32:44.000 And not let the concept of your body shutting down affect your ability to maintain a posture, right?

00:32:52.000 And that's just a mental thing, 100%, right?

00:32:55.000 It's solely mental.

00:32:56.000 That's just one example.

00:32:58.000 We do a million things like that.

00:32:59.000 But yeah, I do tons and tons of visualization, which is a consistent Marker of high performers, a consistent thing that high performers do.

00:33:10.000 I think this is well known.

00:33:13.000 I have a mental coach specifically that kind of holds me accountable for a lot of the things.

00:33:19.000 Me and him, we talk a lot back and forth about the different...

00:33:24.000 The different ways to create habits.

00:33:28.000 I think that's probably the number one thing, is creating habits, right?

00:33:32.000 But it holds me accountable for everything, and I think that's probably the biggest key, is just being held accountable for every action that you do.

00:33:40.000 Have you ever used a sensory deprivation tank?

00:33:42.000 Absolutely.

00:33:42.000 My strength coach has one.

00:33:44.000 Beautiful.

00:33:45.000 Yeah, I love it.

00:33:46.000 And I go in about 45 to an hour. 0.99

00:33:49.000 Do you work on shit in there? 0.99

00:33:50.000 Do you think about techniques? 1.00

00:33:53.000 You know, I don't really.

00:33:54.000 I use that as a time.

00:33:56.000 So I try to practice this form of meditation that I, you know, I can't remember the name of it.

00:34:02.000 This dude, Kishnamaru.

00:34:04.000 You ever heard of him?

00:34:05.000 Kishnamaru?

00:34:06.000 I don't know why it's not coming to my head right now, but he was one of Bruce Lee's guys.

00:34:10.000 He's an Indian meditation guy and everything.

00:34:13.000 And his form of meditation was to completely clear your mind, which is...

00:34:19.000 I guess like it is actually impossible right like there's no way to just have no thought at all But that's sort of what I try to strive for is go Literally no mind at all.

00:34:29.000 What I do is think about only my breath That's it.

00:34:32.000 I concentrate on my breathing in and breathing out. 0.89

00:34:35.000 And there's a bunch of other shit that gets in there, but eventually I can kind of overpower it and just think only about breathing in and only about breathing out. 0.81

00:34:43.000 So that's what I do to get to that state, right? 0.97

00:34:46.000 To get to a state where I can release everything.

00:34:49.000 But at that point, once I'm relaxed, then I go for the no mind.

00:34:54.000 Which again, it's impossible, but my personal...

00:34:59.000 System of visualization or relaxation is I see the thoughts as clouds and my mind is a sky or space.

00:35:07.000 So, you know, my mind becomes this gigantic entity and the thoughts are just clouds that pass by.

00:35:15.000 But again, when I start thinking about things like that, now you're not in the no mind.

00:35:18.000 If you start thinking about your breath, you're not in the no mind.

00:35:20.000 And I want to get as close to that as possible because in a fight, In a combat situation, I want no mind.

00:35:27.000 Right.

00:35:27.000 That's the way that Musashi talks about.

00:35:30.000 Right.

00:35:31.000 Yeah.

00:35:32.000 That's Musashi right there. 1.00

00:35:34.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 1.00

00:35:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:35:35.000 Book of Five Rings, man. 1.00

00:35:37.000 This was a play on Musashi.

00:35:37.000 Beautiful.

00:35:39.000 Yeah.

00:35:39.000 Have you read the book, Musashi?

00:35:41.000 Yeah.

00:35:42.000 Yeah, I read that.

00:35:43.000 You put it on your Instagram the other day.

00:35:44.000 I just put it up the other day, yeah.

00:35:44.000 I read that, and I read the Book of Five Rings when I was 16. Changed my life.

00:35:48.000 Nice, nice.

00:35:49.000 That's the one that Louie will, if you work for Louie, all of his staff, you're forced to read it.

00:35:54.000 Yeah, Louie Simmons.

00:35:55.000 You have to read it.

00:35:56.000 Dude, once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things.

00:35:59.000 I remember reading that when I was 16 and I was like, ah, I get it.

00:36:03.000 I was like, when you can get great at something, you can get great at anything.

00:36:08.000 It's the same thing.

00:36:09.000 Whether it's playing the piano or writing books or fighting or anything.

00:36:13.000 It's the same thing.

00:36:14.000 It's all about figuring it out.

00:36:17.000 Understanding the way.

00:36:18.000 And that's...

00:36:20.000 The book, The Art of Learning.

00:36:22.000 Have you read this one?

00:36:22.000 No.

00:36:23.000 Josh Waitzkin, you know his?

00:36:24.000 Oh yeah, The Chess Prodigy.

00:36:25.000 He's a black belt under Marcelo Garcia.

00:36:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:29.000 A beautiful, amazing book that's sort of a similar type thing. 1.00

00:36:32.000 He's a fucking wizard, man. 0.99

00:36:33.000 I've heard him on Tim Ferriss' podcast. 1.00

00:36:36.000 Super smart guy.

00:36:37.000 That's where I heard of him from.

00:36:38.000 Yeah, genius.

00:36:39.000 And just so good at understanding how to learn things and teach things.

00:36:43.000 I think that mentality, that chess player mentality, because chess is such a complex, cognitive, Demanding game.

00:36:52.000 You know, there's so much thinking and planning and so many steps ahead that you have to be and so many moves you have to have cataloged in your head.

00:37:00.000 And he goes into beyond just the technical part too when he talks about how he kind of lost his Love for it.

00:37:07.000 It was a great book, man.

00:37:10.000 He's a really fascinating character.

00:37:12.000 I love when a guy like that gets obsessed with martial arts because it changes the way people look at something like jiu-jitsu. 0.96

00:37:20.000 People on the outside in particular, they look at jiu-jitsu like, oh, it's just a bunch of fucking meatheads choking each other. 0.96

00:37:25.000 And then they see a guy like that and they go, oh, wait a minute. 0.98

00:37:28.000 Josh Waitzkin is in jiu-jitsu?

00:37:30.000 He's a black belt? 0.57

00:37:31.000 Huh.

00:37:32.000 That's got to be one of the great things about jiu-jitsu.

00:37:36.000 The amazing people that do it.

00:37:37.000 I mean, you come out here to LA. I mean, I see these people doing jujitsu.

00:37:43.000 I talk to them, like, hey, what do you do?

00:37:45.000 You know, I'm a movie top guy or whatever.

00:37:48.000 I'm executive.

00:37:50.000 I'm a CEO. I'm like, wait, what?

00:37:53.000 What are you doing in here?

00:37:55.000 Guy Ritchie. 1.00

00:37:56.000 Guy Ritchie's a fucking black belt. 0.99

00:37:57.000 He was on the podcast and I was like, what? 1.00

00:37:59.000 You're a black belt under Henzo? 1.00

00:38:01.000 I was like, holy shit. 1.00

00:38:03.000 Nice. 0.99

00:38:04.000 Yeah, that's legit, man.

00:38:05.000 That's badass, man. 0.99

00:38:06.000 Goddamn black belt under Henzo Gracie. 0.99

00:38:07.000 They don't give those away. 0.99

00:38:09.000 Maynard James Keenan.

00:38:09.000 Yep, yep.

00:38:10.000 Oh, he's a buddy of mine.

00:38:11.000 Yeah.

00:38:12.000 I mean, I know him a little bit. 1.00

00:38:13.000 He's legit as fuck. 0.99

00:38:15.000 That dude does jujitsu and he's got a fake hip. 1.00

00:38:18.000 I didn't know that.

00:38:18.000 He's got a hip replacement from stomping on stage.

00:38:20.000 You know how he's always stomping on stage?

00:38:22.000 Didn't he choke someone out on stage?

00:38:24.000 Yeah, he hip-tossed some dude, took his back, and got him in a rear naked choke on stage and kept singing.

00:38:30.000 And the dude was going like...

00:38:31.000 Nice.

00:38:32.000 He wasn't hurting the guy.

00:38:33.000 You know, the guy was a fan.

00:38:35.000 The whole thing was kind of crazy.

00:38:37.000 Is it on YouTube or anything?

00:38:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:39.000 Jamie can find it.

00:38:40.000 The guy runs up to him on stage. 1.00

00:38:42.000 Maynard has the fucking microphone in his hands. 0.99

00:38:45.000 Maynard's another dude. 1.00

00:38:46.000 He's one of the smartest dudes I know.

00:38:48.000 So smart. 1.00

00:38:48.000 Stupid smart. 1.00

00:38:49.000 To the point where he gets weird around people. 1.00

00:38:53.000 Because he's so goddamn smart. 0.99

00:38:55.000 Everybody else is like a baby. 0.99

00:38:56.000 So here he's on stage.

00:38:58.000 You got a big screen.

00:38:59.000 And some dude jumps onto the stage and rushes him.

00:39:04.000 Where's it at, Jamie?

00:39:05.000 How long is this video?

00:39:09.000 Gotta get to when the dude runs on stage.

00:39:11.000 There he is.

00:39:12.000 Okay, go before that because he hip tosses him first. 1.00

00:39:14.000 And he's like singing this whole time.

00:39:15.000 Look, the guy runs up to him.

00:39:17.000 He's like, yeah!

00:39:17.000 Maynard hugs him.

00:39:18.000 Boom! 0.99

00:39:19.000 Takes his back.

00:39:22.000 Sakes a joke in.

00:39:23.000 And he keeps singing.

00:39:25.000 And then he goes over onto his back and pulls the guy backwards and then keeps singing while he's in full back mount with the hook.

00:39:32.000 And the dude's got his arms.

00:39:33.000 I'm like, yes!

00:39:34.000 Ha ha ha ha ha!

00:39:37.000 Dude, that is beautiful.

00:39:38.000 Yeah, and he kept singing the song. 0.98

00:39:40.000 I mean, it's fucking hilarious. 0.98

00:39:42.000 Man, he's a god, man. 1.00

00:39:44.000 Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:39:45.000 And he's always training. 1.00

00:39:46.000 He comes out here, he goes down to Henry Aiken's place, and he trains with Dave Camarillo, Ralph Gracie.

00:39:53.000 He goes everywhere.

00:39:54.000 Yeah, I'm training with him a little bit out there.

00:39:55.000 We were drilling a couple weeks ago over at Henry's, and then I brought him in Muscle Farm.

00:39:59.000 We did some training there. 0.99

00:40:01.000 Most people, they get their fucking hip replaced. 0.99

00:40:03.000 They're like, that's a wrap. 1.00

00:40:04.000 Right?

00:40:04.000 Yeah, and he's like, I gotta get my black belt.

00:40:06.000 Wow.

00:40:07.000 Mark Coleman had his hip replaced, and he ain't even training.

00:40:11.000 Yeah.

00:40:11.000 Didn't he have both of them, right?

00:40:13.000 I think he may have had both of them.

00:40:14.000 The one, what do they call it, had a problem.

00:40:17.000 Yeah, it got infected.

00:40:19.000 Yeah, it got infected, had to get redone.

00:40:20.000 Redone, man. 1.00

00:40:21.000 Imagine that shit. 1.00

00:40:22.000 They cut off the top of your leg. 1.00

00:40:23.000 They put a fake hip in there. 1.00

00:40:25.000 They put a bolt that goes through the center of the bone, all the way down through the bone.

00:40:30.000 Imagine how they redo that.

00:40:31.000 They got to pull it out, put a new one in there. 1.00

00:40:34.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:40:35.000 Imagine just doing it once. 1.00

00:40:36.000 I've only had one surgery in my life.

00:40:38.000 I've only went under twice now.

00:40:40.000 What did you have done?

00:40:42.000 Actually, so twice.

00:40:43.000 The first one, I had tore the ligament right here.

00:40:46.000 I remember that.

00:40:47.000 You were talking about that. 0.99

00:40:49.000 That was fucking with you for a long time, right? 0.97

00:40:51.000 Yeah, probably about a year I fought like that. 0.99

00:40:54.000 But you couldn't totally make a fist, right?

00:40:56.000 Yeah, it was like this, kind of.

00:40:57.000 So I was like frogging people.

00:40:59.000 Ian McCall's still like that.

00:41:01.000 Ian McCall's broke his hand so much that his right hand, one of his knuckles, like his pinky, or his pointer finger, it never curls past that.

00:41:09.000 Yeah, well this wasn't broken.

00:41:11.000 The bones were all intact.

00:41:12.000 But the ligament there was completely torn.

00:41:15.000 So what'd they have to do?

00:41:17.000 They just went in.

00:41:18.000 There's an incision there and just reattached the ligament.

00:41:22.000 And I came back probably four months later, five months later maybe.

00:41:27.000 That's when they were telling me, you'll be fine and everything.

00:41:30.000 And, you know, it took probably a year before it was actually okay.

00:41:34.000 Wow.

00:41:34.000 It's just...

00:41:35.000 Chris Weidman's going through some shit like that right now. 0.98

00:41:38.000 He fucked his thumb up in the Kelvin Gastelum fight and then had to get a ligament from his wrist taken out and attached to his thumb because his thumb's ligament was torn and he still can't fully train, still can't grip or fully punch. 0.99

00:41:53.000 Yeah, he's waiting. 0.95

00:41:54.000 Yeah, mine they didn't have to do none of that, but they said once they opened it up there was a lot more Stuff in there they had to take out and a lot more that was ripped that they didn't even realize was there.

00:42:04.000 You know how it is with the MRIs. 0.99

00:42:06.000 Well, with fighters, so many guys have shit wrong. 0.99

00:42:10.000 They don't even know. 0.99

00:42:11.000 Did you ever see Jacare's when they had his elbows cleaned out?

00:42:15.000 He had elbow surgery and they found chunks of bone and cartilage in his elbow. 0.98

00:42:22.000 Like a shot glass filled with like shit that was floating around inside of his elbow just from hitting people with elbows and getting armbarred and not tapping and shit popping and snapping and tearing loose and all of it is just fucking mangled. 0.97

00:42:37.000 Yeah, because he broke his arm when he's Hodger. 0.99

00:42:41.000 Hodger broke his arm and he tucked it into his belt and kept going.

00:42:44.000 That's badass.

00:42:46.000 I mean, that was a horrible arm break, too.

00:42:48.000 To me, wrestling is the hardest sport in the world.

00:42:51.000 I love wrestling.

00:42:52.000 I love watching it.

00:42:53.000 I love being a part of it.

00:42:55.000 But that doesn't happen in wrestling.

00:42:57.000 Very often.

00:42:58.000 I mean, I guess there's probably some.

00:43:00.000 I know Mike Priscilla went to the finals with a torn pec. 1.00

00:43:07.000 Wow.

00:43:08.000 Yeah.

00:43:09.000 So one arm.

00:43:09.000 Takes a lot.

00:43:10.000 Takes a lot to do that.

00:43:11.000 I guess it does happen in wrestling.

00:43:12.000 I shouldn't say that.

00:43:13.000 That's a difference.

00:43:14.000 That situation was just, he was up on points and he just needed to survive for a couple minutes.

00:43:18.000 He won the match, right?

00:43:19.000 Yep.

00:43:20.000 Won the match.

00:43:21.000 Well, you remember when Jon Jones fought Vitor?

00:43:24.000 Vitor completely hyperextended his arm.

00:43:26.000 Did it break? 0.99

00:43:27.000 I don't know if it broke, but it was fucked up for a long time. 0.95

00:43:30.000 I mean, it was bent like this the other way. 0.97

00:43:33.000 Just completely bent backwards.

00:43:35.000 I was convinced he was going to tap.

00:43:36.000 I was like, he's got to tap.

00:43:37.000 I thought he was too.

00:43:38.000 And Vitor let it go a little.

00:43:40.000 It looked like he let it go.

00:43:42.000 It was weird.

00:43:43.000 Yeah, I remember that.

00:43:45.000 Think if he finishes that.

00:43:50.000 Crazy.

00:43:51.000 The world changes.

00:43:52.000 Yeah, the whole world of light heavyweight changes.

00:43:54.000 Vitor's life changes.

00:43:56.000 Yeah, everything changes.

00:43:57.000 Vitor becomes a champ.

00:43:59.000 Yeah.

00:43:59.000 The whole thing changes.

00:44:01.000 Jon Jones, not the greatest ever.

00:44:03.000 Yeah.

00:44:04.000 Which, you know, is up in the air or whatever.

00:44:05.000 I think he's the greatest ever performance-wise.

00:44:08.000 We were talking about performance-wise earlier before the podcast started versus, like, we were talking about Cain Velasquez.

00:44:13.000 Performance-wise, like, the actual...

00:44:16.000 Results versus what you think about their ability.

00:44:20.000 I think Kane, when he was at the time, I never saw anybody like Kane when he was in his prime. 0.90

00:44:25.000 240 pounds, un-fucking-godly cardio. 0.89

00:44:28.000 We just never stop coming at you. 0.95

00:44:30.000 Excellent striking technique.

00:44:32.000 Take a tremendous shot.

00:44:33.000 My whole thing with it, though, is as soon as you test positive once, I take you out of the greatest period.

00:44:40.000 It's just against the rules.

00:44:41.000 I'm not even against steroids.

00:44:43.000 Take steroids. 1.00

00:44:44.000 If your endocrinologist tells you to take steroids, go fucking do it. 1.00

00:44:48.000 Good. 1.00

00:44:48.000 Good for you. 1.00

00:44:49.000 But in our sport, unfortunately, it's against the rules, so there's only a certain amount of people doing it.

00:44:55.000 If you're doing it, you're cheating.

00:44:57.000 Right.

00:44:57.000 But do you think John was taking steroids?

00:44:59.000 I don't know.

00:45:00.000 I don't think he was.

00:45:01.000 But to be honest, it doesn't matter to me.

00:45:05.000 I mean, you know, I've said this for a long time.

00:45:07.000 I think it should be a lifetime ban.

00:45:08.000 First offense.

00:45:09.000 Period.

00:45:10.000 Yeah.

00:45:10.000 And there's going to be martyrs.

00:45:12.000 There would be guys like, I don't think Tim Means was taking steroids.

00:45:14.000 He wasn't.

00:45:15.000 He certainly did not look like it.

00:45:17.000 Well, they proved it.

00:45:17.000 They proved that he wasn't.

00:45:18.000 Oh, really?

00:45:18.000 I didn't know it went that far.

00:45:20.000 They found the supplement that he was taking that was a totally legal supplement.

00:45:23.000 Okay. 0.94

00:45:24.000 You get a bunch of shit from these small companies, or these companies rather, they get it from China, and they have these bins, and like we had a problem with that with the alpha brain when we first had, not steroids, but vitamins that were in alpha brain that weren't supposed to be in there. 0.99

00:45:38.000 That weren't supposed to be there? 0.98

00:45:39.000 We have all our stuff independently tested, and when we had it independently tested, it turned out that the mixers, when they were putting all the different ingredients in, they would be putting in these vats, and they had used these vats for other shit and hadn't completely cleaned it out.

00:45:52.000 This is a problem with companies that sell steroids and also sell things like creatine.

00:45:58.000 This is the big story about Jon Jones.

00:46:01.000 This is the big rumor.

00:46:03.000 This is what they think, is that he was doing coke that had creatine in it.

00:46:07.000 It was cut with creatine, and that creatine probably had trace elements of steroids.

00:46:11.000 The reason why that makes sense is because he tested negative right before that test, and then tested positive, and then tested negative again a short time after that.

00:46:21.000 This is a steroid that takes several months to get out of your system, but it got out of his system very quickly, which would indicate it was a very, very small trace amount.

00:46:30.000 Not an amount that you would take if you were actually using it to try to get a performance-enhancing benefit.

00:46:38.000 I believe it.

00:46:39.000 It makes sense to me.

00:46:39.000 It makes sense to Nowitzki, too.

00:46:42.000 Fair enough.

00:46:43.000 Certainly, there's cases in my world where, okay, first offense, lifetime ban, I think a lot of guys would be a lot more careful with things like that, for one.

00:46:55.000 And I think there would be a due process.

00:46:58.000 So, say he proved that, or like Tim Means, he comes right back, right?

00:47:04.000 I also think, unfortunately, there would be people that would probably have no bad intention and would end up testing positive and having a lifetime ban.

00:47:17.000 And there would be martyrs, basically.

00:47:19.000 I can't sign off on martyrs, man.

00:47:22.000 Too many dudes have dreams.

00:47:23.000 For sure.

00:47:24.000 What about you? 1.00

00:47:25.000 What if you accidentally took some creatine and had some bullshit in it? 0.99

00:47:28.000 Personally, I'm extremely diligent. 0.99

00:47:31.000 I do my...

00:47:33.000 I do my due diligence, man.

00:47:35.000 I work with MusclePharm for years now.

00:47:37.000 And they have great stuff.

00:47:39.000 Yeah, they have great stuff.

00:47:40.000 I know that it's good stuff.

00:47:41.000 That's my primary supplement source.

00:47:45.000 I mean, I don't do coke.

00:47:48.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:49.000 If you do those things and something bad happens to you, that's your fault.

00:47:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:54.000 If, for instance, he was doing coke and, you know, not a knock on Jon Jones either.

00:47:59.000 I mean, I'm not living his life.

00:48:02.000 I mean, he's in a difficult situation as a young kid.

00:48:08.000 I can only imagine the amount of people approaching him for crazy things and trying to talk him into all these things.

00:48:14.000 So I have some sympathy for his situation, but you make the choice, you have to pay the consequences for the choice.

00:48:21.000 I agree that you should pay the consequences for the choice, I just don't agree that the price should be so high.

00:48:28.000 When you think about a guy like Anderson Silva, like Anderson Silva just tested positive again.

00:48:33.000 Do you think that that takes him out of the consideration for the greatest of all time?

00:48:36.000 In my mind, 100%.

00:48:38.000 See, I feel like he's doing it because he's old.

00:48:40.000 I feel like he's doing it because he's 40. So again, we can feel whatever we want to feel, right?

00:48:45.000 I feel like he probably wasn't doing it the whole time.

00:48:49.000 But he might have been.

00:48:50.000 Yeah, but do I know?

00:48:52.000 Hell no, I don't know.

00:48:52.000 Did you ever see his trainer?

00:48:54.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:48:55.000 He trained Eric Silva when I fought him. 0.99

00:48:58.000 His trainer looks ridiculous. 0.97

00:49:00.000 He's like 70 years old. 1.00

00:49:01.000 He's just fucking jacked. 1.00

00:49:03.000 He just looks like the Hulk. 1.00

00:49:05.000 He's got like 5% body fat at 60 years old.

00:49:07.000 He's so big.

00:49:08.000 I sent a picture of the guy to Dana, and I go, this is Anderson's trainer, LOL. And Dana sends me back, holy shit, are you serious? 0.99

00:49:18.000 I go, yeah, that's his trainer. 1.00

00:49:20.000 The fucking guy is so jacked. 1.00

00:49:22.000 Dana's certainly seen him around the UFC. He's training lots of guys. 1.00

00:49:25.000 That's not him.

00:49:26.000 That's a different guy, man.

00:49:27.000 Unless he's younger.

00:49:29.000 No, no.

00:49:30.000 The guy above it with the white shirt.

00:49:32.000 That guy.

00:49:32.000 No, no, no.

00:49:33.000 That guy right there.

00:49:33.000 Yeah, that's him.

00:49:34.000 Look at the picture to the left.

00:49:36.000 Yeah, to the left is the one.

00:49:37.000 Yeah, that's the picture I sent Dana.

00:49:41.000 He's so jacked! 1.00

00:49:42.000 I mean, his fucking abs stick out like biceps. 1.00

00:49:46.000 Each one of his abs looks like a bodybuilder's bicep just glued to his stomach. 1.00

00:49:53.000 That guy's so jacked!

00:49:54.000 That's great.

00:49:55.000 Listen, folks, you can get big at 60. You can be pretty built at 60. You can't be that built.

00:50:01.000 It's not possible.

00:50:02.000 There's like.01% of the population that can do that, maybe.

00:50:05.000 Yeah, and they all live in Africa. 1.00

00:50:07.000 They all have like super genes.

00:50:09.000 They're all like Francis Ngannou's relatives.

00:50:13.000 There's so few people that are built like that naturally.

00:50:16.000 That's good, man.

00:50:17.000 Not at that age.

00:50:19.000 At that age, your body starts to diminish.

00:50:22.000 There's just no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

00:50:24.000 Do you know that he's that old for sure?

00:50:25.000 Yeah, that guy's old.

00:50:26.000 Yeah, he's in his 60s.

00:50:28.000 That's funny.

00:50:29.000 I think he's at X-Gym, right?

00:50:32.000 I don't know.

00:50:33.000 I know he trained Eric Silva, who was at X-Gym.

00:50:35.000 He was in his corner.

00:50:36.000 I was like, I'm glad I'm fighting a little guy, not him. 0.98

00:50:38.000 Yeah, Eric Silva changed.

00:50:40.000 Boy, you want to talk about a post-USADA guy.

00:50:42.000 Him and Vitor, but Vitor obviously was a testosterone replacement therapy.

00:50:47.000 I think Johnny Hendricks was probably the most obvious, right?

00:50:52.000 Performance-wise, for sure.

00:50:53.000 You've got to wonder about Hendricks, like how much of it was burnout, how much of it was possibly he was taking something.

00:51:00.000 You've got to say it possibly because he never tested positive for anything.

00:51:04.000 But dude, he was launching people across the octagon.

00:51:07.000 I was the last fight before USADA when I fought him.

00:51:11.000 I felt his strength.

00:51:12.000 I've seen his body.

00:51:14.000 I felt it firsthand.

00:51:16.000 This is a completely different world.

00:51:18.000 Yeah.

00:51:18.000 Well, it's actually completely different compared to now.

00:51:21.000 He doesn't look the same.

00:51:23.000 He doesn't fight the same.

00:51:24.000 It's certainly part of that has to be motivation, too.

00:51:27.000 There's no way he's under the same mental aspiration that he had before.

00:51:33.000 He just looks at it differently. 0.99

00:51:35.000 It could be also because his hormones are all fucked up. 0.99

00:51:38.000 This is a big speculation. 0.99

00:51:40.000 If he was on something and then he's off, his hormones crash.

00:51:44.000 There's no way they can't.

00:51:45.000 That's just how it works.

00:51:46.000 And that affects your mind, right?

00:51:48.000 100%.

00:51:48.000 I never take it, but I see people that go on and off of it and they're depressed.

00:51:54.000 Yeah, look at Vitor.

00:51:56.000 Remember when Vitor came back?

00:51:57.000 I mean there's so many pictures of Vitor when he fought like Michael Bisping and then you see Vitor after USADA and just he's got that old man bod and he goes in there and his body's kind of like loose and it just your body's not producing hormones anymore. 0.99

00:52:12.000 Vitor was on that shit when he was 19, man. 0.98

00:52:15.000 Oh, was he? 1.00

00:52:15.000 Well, yeah, I guess, yeah. 1.00

00:52:17.000 Yeah.

00:52:17.000 When he fought Randy and he was 240 pounds and his neck started up here.

00:52:21.000 His neck started about two inches above his ears and just went down straight to his shoulders. 0.99

00:52:27.000 Fucking hell. 0.99

00:52:28.000 He's so fast. 1.00

00:52:30.000 Ridiculously fast.

00:52:31.000 Yeah, especially when he fought Tank.

00:52:33.000 When he was about 205, he was ridiculously fast.

00:52:37.000 Yeah, because I wonder if there's any, I was going to say, like, if you slow down when you stop taking that stuff, like if your muscles actually, you know, Your fast twitch muscles go away or something like that.

00:52:48.000 Your whole body crashes.

00:52:50.000 When you're that jacked up on steroids, your whole body... 1.00

00:52:54.000 First of all, your balls are just on vacation. 0.92

00:52:57.000 I know you get stronger, but what about speed, though? 0.99

00:53:00.000 That's a different thing.

00:53:01.000 A lot of speed is from neurological.

00:53:04.000 It's a lot of the nervous system.

00:53:06.000 I wonder...

00:53:08.000 You know, about the effects.

00:53:09.000 Did you see the study Andy Galpin just came out with?

00:53:12.000 Which one?

00:53:13.000 He just posted it the other day about epigenetic memory of muscles.

00:53:16.000 Yes.

00:53:17.000 So this is, I think, a big problem with the steroids because I say I do steroids when I'm 19. Now my muscles get jacked, and now my muscles remember how to get that jacked again, even though I'm off steroids for 10 years, and then I come back at 30 and redo it.

00:53:33.000 That's a very good point.

00:53:34.000 That's a very good point.

00:53:35.000 And a very real point.

00:53:36.000 Yeah, your body has muscle memory.

00:53:39.000 And especially if you do it when you're young and then your body has an adequate amount of time to rebuild and you start developing a natural hormone level.

00:53:45.000 It also increases your tendon strength.

00:53:48.000 It increases ligament strength.

00:53:50.000 I mean, your body changes.

00:53:51.000 It changes the density of your muscles.

00:53:54.000 Of your bones?

00:53:55.000 It just doesn't...

00:53:56.000 There's a lot of...

00:53:57.000 And then there's another argument for women. 1.00

00:54:00.000 Women that have taken steroids, it's an even more intense argument because you're putting supernatural levels of testosterone in a woman's body. 1.00

00:54:06.000 They develop all this new muscle tissue that never would have been there without it, and a certain amount of that sticks around.

00:54:13.000 And, you know, you might not have ever been able to develop that kind of strength without it.

00:54:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:19.000 Yeah, that was the first thing I thought of when I seen that study.

00:54:21.000 Yeah.

00:54:22.000 And that was where I was like...

00:54:25.000 There's always a lot more to it than meets the eye.

00:54:29.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:54:30.000 And with the kind of cheating that they've been doing in Russia, did you see that movie Icarus?

00:54:39.000 No, it's on Netflix, right?

00:54:40.000 I know what you're talking about.

00:54:41.000 I want to see it. 0.98

00:54:42.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.98

00:54:42.000 I just watch so little TV. I just miss everything. 0.98

00:54:45.000 Yeah.

00:54:46.000 Every day someone, did you see this on Netflix?

00:54:48.000 Nah, I planned on it.

00:54:49.000 It's on my queue.

00:54:50.000 It's on my list.

00:54:52.000 It'll make you curious and mad at the same time.

00:54:55.000 Really?

00:54:55.000 Because they had a state-sponsored doping program.

00:54:58.000 Russia had all their athletes cheating.

00:55:01.000 Yeah, but this was proven.

00:55:03.000 The guy who was doing it was in this documentary, and he was helping this guy Brian Fogel do a bike race.

00:55:11.000 What Brian Fogel did was he did a bike race with nothing, and then he wanted to get juiced up and see what the difference is with the next year, do the same race, but do it on everything.

00:55:21.000 And so he contacted this Russian guy who is the head of anti-doping in Russia.

00:55:26.000 Well, this guy along the way from doping up Brian Fogle, they all got busted.

00:55:31.000 And when they got busted, not Brian Fogle, the Olympics in Russia, the Sochi Olympics, They found out that people had tampered with samples and a bunch of shit started coming out about it and then it became this gigantic scandal.

00:55:46.000 He fled Russia, came to the United States and testified and told everything that he did. 0.76

00:55:51.000 They opened up these supposedly unopenable sample jars and replaced the bad urine with clean urine.

00:55:58.000 They had frozen urine and then they had a hole in the wall where they were passing urine back and forth.

00:56:03.000 And replacing the old stuff with clean stuff.

00:56:05.000 Was it specific to a specific sport?

00:56:07.000 No!

00:56:07.000 Not all sports.

00:56:08.000 Every sport across the board.

00:56:09.000 And they had a record number of gold medals that year. 0.97

00:56:13.000 Everybody's juiced to the tits. 0.88

00:56:15.000 And everybody's pissing clean. 0.99

00:56:17.000 That's the tough thing about everybody goes into the Russian training methods and how they're superior and everything.

00:56:22.000 A little bit of that, a little bit of this.

00:56:24.000 I mean, there's some great Russian training methods, for sure.

00:56:27.000 I mean, the Russians invented the kettlebells.

00:56:29.000 Russians have super-technical wrestling instruction.

00:56:33.000 There's, without a doubt, some great Russian training methods.

00:56:37.000 But it's also because sports mean so much to them on a national level.

00:56:41.000 They're also state-sponsored scientists rather than, you know, in America where it's, you know, if you're a professor or something, you just do what you want to do for your athletes or whatever.

00:56:51.000 Well, we have to realize that their best athletes are all amateurs.

00:56:54.000 Yeah.

00:56:55.000 They don't have professional sports.

00:56:57.000 Yeah, boxing.

00:56:58.000 Yeah, but that's it.

00:56:59.000 I mean, and they don't have, well, they have MMA too, Fedor, obviously, right?

00:57:03.000 But they don't have like NFL, NBA, Major League Baseball, hockey.

00:57:09.000 Right, right, right.

00:57:10.000 They don't have like this professional venue like we do over here.

00:57:14.000 So a lot of their greatest athletes go into amateur Olympics.

00:57:18.000 Hmm. 0.99

00:57:18.000 And so they're juicing these fucking people up for Soviet glory. 0.99

00:57:21.000 They're doing it for the glory of the country. 1.00

00:57:23.000 Right.

00:57:24.000 And it's sponsored by the state.

00:57:25.000 And they outline in this documentary from Putin all the way down.

00:57:29.000 People working for Putin.

00:57:30.000 Who this guy, this Gregory guy, who was the guy who was in charge of all the state-sponsored doping. 1.00

00:57:35.000 It's fucking madness. 0.99

00:57:37.000 And it makes you wonder. 1.00

00:57:38.000 You know, I mean... 0.99

00:57:40.000 Nobody wants to say, like, Fedor in Pride was the motherfucker, right? 1.00

00:57:45.000 I mean, he was the motherfucker. 1.00

00:57:46.000 Loved it. 1.00

00:57:47.000 An animal.

00:57:48.000 And it makes you wonder.

00:57:49.000 Makes you wonder, like, what was going on over there?

00:57:52.000 Loved it, man.

00:57:53.000 Yeah.

00:57:54.000 That was one of the best.

00:57:55.000 I think Crow Cop Fedor. 1.00

00:57:57.000 Woo! 0.99

00:57:57.000 Man, that was, like, for me, was probably, like, the most intense. 0.99

00:58:03.000 I had to stay up for it.

00:58:05.000 Yeah. 0.91

00:58:05.000 And I just remember waiting, watching him walk out, just eyes fucking bulging out. 0.91

00:58:09.000 Those are, like, at 3 o'clock in the morning, right? 0.90

00:58:10.000 Yeah, I remember it was really late at night. 0.98

00:58:13.000 I remember it was snowing and shit. 1.00

00:58:15.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:58:15.000 I don't know why I remember that, but I'm not fucking going anywhere, man. 1.00

00:58:21.000 I'm sitting here watching this, eyes bulging out. 0.96

00:58:24.000 I didn't care, man.

00:58:26.000 Yeah, Fedor versus Noguera.

00:58:28.000 It's so rare that fights are like that anymore.

00:58:30.000 I mean, there's certainly some that come up here and there, but man, those, to me, were the glory days, man.

00:58:37.000 Yeah.

00:58:38.000 Well, we waited how long to see the fight.

00:58:42.000 Yeah.

00:58:43.000 You know, it's like three, four months.

00:58:44.000 There's no fights in between.

00:58:45.000 Right.

00:58:46.000 You know, there's like one UFC fight or something, and we're just like, dude, this is the fight.

00:58:50.000 This is the Super Bowl that everybody's been waiting the whole season for.

00:58:52.000 Do you think there's too many fights now?

00:58:54.000 I don't know.

00:58:54.000 I like it.

00:58:55.000 I like that there's a lot of fights, but I also think that some of them get overlooked.

00:59:00.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

00:59:02.000 There's a side of me that wishes it was the way it was back in the day, and there's a side of me that's like, dude, this is what we all wanted from the beginning.

00:59:10.000 We wanted fights every weekend, but again, unfortunately, it does take away from that gigantic fight.

00:59:18.000 Yeah.

00:59:18.000 You know, those are harder to make these days, I think.

00:59:20.000 And I think that's why they're doing the champ versus champ thing.

00:59:23.000 They're trying to make those big fights again. 0.98

00:59:25.000 Yeah, I think so, too.

00:59:25.000 But if you only have those fights every three or four months, there's no way you're going to have enough fights for all the athletes in the UFC. Absolutely, yeah.

00:59:31.000 That's a big part of the issue.

00:59:33.000 There's 500 fighters on roster.

00:59:35.000 Plus, I think there's more now, actually.

00:59:36.000 The only thing I... I'm no one to say how to do it, but I kind of wish there was the UFC fight night and then the pay-per-view.

00:59:46.000 They have all these different things, but they don't seem to...

00:59:49.000 I think they may be moving towards it where the smaller fights work up.

00:59:54.000 You do a UFC fight night three or four times, build an audience.

00:59:58.000 Now we put you on pay-per-view for the big fight. 0.86

01:00:01.000 You get what I'm saying?

01:00:02.000 Something like this.

01:00:04.000 Not necessarily like a feeder, but within the organization, a feeder.

01:00:08.000 Yeah, I know what you mean.

01:00:10.000 More structured.

01:00:11.000 I love the big events that they have every year, like the 4th of July event, the New Year's event, the Madison Square Garden event, where they just stack it and just have a ton of big-time fights.

01:00:24.000 I liked Eric Anders' Leota Machida last week too, you know?

01:00:28.000 I mean, I like that too, where it's maybe a fight that not a lot of people are watching, maybe less people are watching, but it's an interesting fight still.

01:00:35.000 Yeah, I didn't get to watch it.

01:00:37.000 I don't have cable anymore, so...

01:00:39.000 You don't?

01:00:39.000 Yeah, don't even have cable.

01:00:41.000 We use Netflix, my wife does.

01:00:43.000 But do you have the UFC app?

01:00:46.000 I do have the UFC app.

01:00:47.000 Was it on there?

01:00:48.000 Yeah.

01:00:48.000 Well, it wasn't, but it probably will be.

01:00:51.000 How long after?

01:00:51.000 Yeah, it will be.

01:00:52.000 How long do they wait from Fox Sports 1 until it's on the UFC app?

01:00:56.000 Yeah, I don't even know.

01:00:57.000 I mean, that's the thing, though.

01:00:59.000 I sit there and watch that.

01:01:00.000 If I'm watching anything, it's always fights on there or YouTube.

01:01:03.000 I just watch Muay Thai fights all day.

01:01:05.000 That's, like, my favorite thing to do.

01:01:06.000 Oh, do you?

01:01:07.000 Yeah.

01:01:07.000 Did you see Sanchai's latest?

01:01:09.000 The question mark kick?

01:01:10.000 Yeah.

01:01:11.000 Woo, dude.

01:01:12.000 Where he got pulled up his shorts right after he did it, too.

01:01:14.000 Yeah.

01:01:15.000 This guy, man.

01:01:16.000 I love him.

01:01:17.000 He's wild, man.

01:01:18.000 I love him.

01:01:18.000 Sanchai is so interesting to me because he's different than any other Thai fighter in his movements.

01:01:23.000 Absolutely.

01:01:23.000 He's so light on his feet, constantly switching stances, and he's just...

01:01:28.000 He's a Floyd Mayweather of Muay Thai.

01:01:29.000 Yeah, man.

01:01:30.000 Yeah, that's a guy I'm going to try to get out here for, you know, like what I'm doing with MusclePharm is some things I could try to help them build a team and everything, and he's one of the guys I want to get out for our seminar and kind of be affiliated with him.

01:01:41.000 Please let me know.

01:01:42.000 I want to meet that guy.

01:01:44.000 Yeah, I really want to get him, because it's not just the way that he fights in the ring, but the way that he trains, man.

01:01:55.000 I mean, he trains hard.

01:01:56.000 Hard.

01:01:57.000 You know, you watch these videos of him, and you're like, dude, and it's so easy for him.

01:02:01.000 That's the weird part, right?

01:02:02.000 I mean, he'll do like 30 kicks in a row.

01:02:04.000 Like, dude, how did you just do that?

01:02:06.000 And you're like, smiling.

01:02:07.000 Yeah.

01:02:08.000 Well, he doesn't kick like...

01:02:10.000 He's loose, man.

01:02:12.000 He's not like a Liam Harrison guy. 0.99

01:02:15.000 Every kick is fucking 150%. 0.98

01:02:18.000 He's like, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. 0.99

01:02:21.000 And he just keeps going.

01:02:22.000 Just keeps going.

01:02:23.000 His eyes.

01:02:23.000 His eyes, man.

01:02:24.000 I don't know if it's something you can even train.

01:02:26.000 I mean, he's like the...

01:02:27.000 I'd say more like the Lomachenko of Muay Thai, right? 0.95

01:02:30.000 Where his eyes, man, he just sees.

01:02:33.000 Like that question mark kick.

01:02:34.000 I mean, he just knows.

01:02:35.000 There he is.

01:02:36.000 Yeah.

01:02:36.000 And you look at his body, man, and he ain't a scary, impressive guy.

01:02:40.000 Like, you look at Bukau.

01:02:42.000 Bukau's jacked. 1.00

01:02:43.000 You know, giant fucking ab muscles. 1.00

01:02:45.000 Just ripped. 1.00

01:02:46.000 Sanchai just looks like a guy who works out a little bit.

01:02:49.000 That's so true. 0.99

01:02:50.000 Meanwhile, he just fucked people up, man. 0.99

01:02:53.000 And he's so slick with his movement. 0.99

01:02:55.000 Even when he's hitting the pads.

01:02:57.000 Who hits pads like this where he never stops moving his feet?

01:03:01.000 So relaxed.

01:03:02.000 So relaxed and so fluid.

01:03:04.000 What's interesting to me is the feet.

01:03:06.000 Just never stops moving his feet, and that's just...

01:03:09.000 I don't understand why more people don't emulate his style.

01:03:12.000 Because he's obviously a traditionally trained Thai fighter, but has adapted everything to a much more dynamic and fluid method.

01:03:21.000 Man, it's like... 0.96

01:03:23.000 You know, when I watch Sanchai and Loma Chica, I watch the shit out of these guys, right? 1.00

01:03:28.000 So I watch Liam Harrison, right? 0.93

01:03:30.000 Or John Wayne Parr, Raymond Deckers, you know, these great Muay Thai guys, right?

01:03:36.000 And they inspire me. 0.94

01:03:37.000 I'm like, dude, I want to fucking go to it. 0.97

01:03:38.000 And then I watch Sanchai, I watch Loma Chica. 0.96

01:03:41.000 I'm like, why do I do this?

01:03:43.000 It's the next level.

01:03:46.000 Why am I even going to the gym?

01:03:47.000 I can't do this.

01:03:50.000 That's what I'm talking about right there.

01:03:51.000 And so fluid.

01:03:53.000 Just relax.

01:03:54.000 Look at him.

01:03:55.000 He's not even getting tired.

01:03:56.000 I mean, look at his face.

01:03:57.000 He doesn't even...

01:03:57.000 I mean, he could do this...

01:04:01.000 All day.

01:04:02.000 All day.

01:04:03.000 I mean, he could do it in his kitchen while he's cooking, you know?

01:04:06.000 And he's 36. Yeah.

01:04:08.000 I mean, it's really incredible.

01:04:10.000 He's something special.

01:04:11.000 That's the most facial expression I've ever seen on him right there.

01:04:15.000 Yeah, it's probably the end of 150 rounds at the end of the day.

01:04:19.000 I mean, guys, constantly training, constantly in the gym, and one of the things that I like about the way the ties spar, too, is that they play.

01:04:27.000 Like, they're tapping each other.

01:04:29.000 They're just working on their timing and their movement, and they're not hurting each other.

01:04:33.000 They're saving it for fights.

01:04:35.000 We fight every week.

01:04:36.000 My coach, Dorian Price, he's over there right now.

01:04:40.000 They fight every week.

01:04:43.000 I follow him on Instagram. 1.00

01:04:45.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:04:47.000 Amazing person, man. 1.00

01:04:49.000 One of the best guys you'll ever meet in your life.

01:04:51.000 I like one of the things he said recently.

01:04:53.000 He's like, yeah, I'm wearing the same gray t-shirt and the same shorts. 0.99

01:04:57.000 He goes, I'm not here for a fucking fashion show. 0.99

01:04:59.000 I'm here to train. 0.99

01:05:00.000 I'm in Thailand.

01:05:01.000 Yeah, it's hot as hell.

01:05:02.000 I'm here to get my work in.

01:05:03.000 Yeah, and he goes over to Holland with Ray and Simpson and another guy I hope to get over here, too.

01:05:10.000 He was showing on one of his Instagram posts.

01:05:12.000 He was like, these are my five-star accommodations.

01:05:14.000 He has a white plastic bucket.

01:05:16.000 This is how I shower.

01:05:18.000 He's over there doing the real deal, like a real TIE fighter.

01:05:21.000 Yep, yep.

01:05:22.000 So that's where he actually goes up to...

01:05:25.000 I don't think he still goes up there, but he used to go up to Asan, which is the northern part of Thailand.

01:05:31.000 Originally, they didn't let foreigners up there.

01:05:33.000 He would go to Sitman Chai. 0.53

01:05:33.000 He was the first foreigner that they let in that camp. 0.53

01:05:36.000 That was his dream.

01:05:37.000 He wanted to live like a Thai fighter, like a savage. 1.00

01:05:41.000 That's awesome.

01:05:42.000 That's where I'm lucky to have a friend like him because he brings the Thai style back to me.

01:05:47.000 And that's why I've never had to go to Thailand.

01:05:49.000 He goes over, he'll only come back from my camps.

01:05:52.000 He's had tons of people offer, and he won't come back for no one else.

01:05:55.000 That's awesome.

01:05:57.000 So when I was telling you a story about going, started this Japanese Jiu Jitsu place, the first gym I went into, he was there.

01:06:02.000 Wow.

01:06:04.000 Started together and he won it.

01:06:06.000 Well, he already started actually.

01:06:08.000 He was out in Virginia and then just moved to Columbus.

01:06:11.000 But we both wanted to do Muay Thai.

01:06:14.000 And I was like, dude, there's no money in Muay Thai. 1.00

01:06:17.000 You do that shit. 1.00

01:06:18.000 So he went to Muay Thai and I went with MMA. Of course, he went with MMA for a little while. 1.00

01:06:23.000 Dude, I wish there was money in Muay Thai.

01:06:25.000 I love watching Lion Fight.

01:06:26.000 I love watching it.

01:06:28.000 And I preferred that even over regular kickboxing.

01:06:30.000 I like the elbows.

01:06:31.000 Oh, totally, yeah.

01:06:32.000 Yeah, why they limit it?

01:06:33.000 Yeah, why limit it?

01:06:34.000 I mean, I think they limited it for K1 because they thought it would create more action with less clinching. 0.99

01:06:39.000 Yeah, it's garbage. 0.98

01:06:40.000 It is, right? 0.99

01:06:41.000 It's part of the art.

01:06:42.000 I mean, not garbage.

01:06:42.000 I shouldn't say that.

01:06:43.000 I still enjoy watching Bellator kickboxing.

01:06:45.000 I love Glory because they just have some wild-ass fights. 1.00

01:06:48.000 But a lot of those guys that are the top of the food chain guys are Muay Thai guys.

01:06:52.000 Yeah, I mean, Kevin Ross is in Bellator now. 0.96

01:06:53.000 I mean, this guy elbowed the shit out of everybody. 0.96

01:06:56.000 John Wayne. 0.98

01:06:57.000 Joe Schilling.

01:06:58.000 Yeah, I mean, these are elbow guys.

01:06:59.000 Yeah, elbow guys.

01:07:00.000 Yeah, and man, I've always thought that if they marketed Muay Thai like they do the kickboxing, I think it would blow up a lot better. 0.87

01:07:09.000 But when you take Muay Thai, like Lion Fights, and they're playing the Snake Charmer music, and they got the Mong Kongs, and they're dancing around Y Cruin and shit, and everybody's like, dude, I don't want to see this garbage. 1.00

01:07:20.000 I want to see some fucking blood. 0.94

01:07:21.000 Yeah, it's hard for people to appreciate the tradition, but I don't, you know, I respect their tradition. 0.99

01:07:27.000 You know what someone explained to me?

01:07:28.000 They said that what's beautiful about the Mong Kong and the Y crew is that you get relaxed.

01:07:33.000 It's like you're out there dancing and then you can put on your best performance because you're already in front of all those people and you kind of loosen up.

01:07:40.000 And then doing that, that's one of the benefits of that.

01:07:42.000 I love it.

01:07:43.000 I think it's awesome, and I'll watch it all day long.

01:07:46.000 But I don't think the casual American fan is ever going to be attracted to that.

01:07:50.000 I wonder.

01:07:51.000 You know, I wonder if they could be talked into it.

01:07:53.000 It just seems like what happened with MMA was like lightning in a bottle. 0.96

01:07:56.000 That Forrest Griffin-Stefan Bonner fight on TV, on Spike TV, nobody knew what the fuck it was at the time. 1.00

01:08:02.000 You're watching MMA for the first time, you see that crazy shit. 0.99

01:08:05.000 These guys are just throwing down wild haymakers and head kicks and takedowns and... 0.99

01:08:11.000 And then exhausted.

01:08:12.000 I mean, these guys just drain themselves out.

01:08:14.000 I think those guys made the UFC. I think in that one fight, it's one of those weird moments, lightning in a bottle.

01:08:20.000 You know, at one point in time, they estimate there was as many as 10 million people watching that fight.

01:08:26.000 And it started with just a couple of million.

01:08:29.000 Like, the event started with just a couple of million people. 1.00

01:08:32.000 Dude, these guys are fucking going crazy! 0.96

01:08:35.000 And that one fight being so good, I think, made MMA. I think it just was the launching point. 0.99

01:08:41.000 And then after that, people got into it, and then they started saying, holy shit, this is awesome! 0.70

01:08:46.000 And then all the other fights, and then it became the thing that it is today. 0.79

01:08:50.000 But I think that lightning in a bottle moment, it's hard to recreate.

01:08:54.000 And with Muay Thai, it just never happened.

01:08:56.000 There's no lightning in a bottle moment.

01:08:58.000 And I don't know how you would recreate that today.

01:09:01.000 It seems like all the stars were aligned, right?

01:09:03.000 Because now today...

01:09:05.000 Reality TV shows are kind of, they're so saturated.

01:09:09.000 There's so many of them.

01:09:10.000 Back then, there wasn't as many.

01:09:12.000 So to have the ultimate fighter, we got these guys in a house, and they're all competing, and they're going to fight for this six-figure contract on television.

01:09:20.000 It was a big deal.

01:09:21.000 It was a big show to watch.

01:09:23.000 But now, there's like, everybody's watching... 0.99

01:09:25.000 People fucking selling cars and pawn shops and they're living in the woods and people making moonshine. 1.00

01:09:32.000 It's like, fuck, man. 1.00

01:09:33.000 There's so many reality shows, it's almost oversaturated to the point where if you had a Muay Thai show, it's like, okay, here's another crazy thing people are doing. 1.00

01:09:42.000 Oh, this guy's living with bears.

01:09:44.000 Well, they did, that Muay Thai contender.

01:09:45.000 That's right, they did, right.

01:09:46.000 Did that even air here?

01:09:48.000 I watched it.

01:09:49.000 Did it air in America?

01:09:50.000 Yeah, I don't know how I watched it, maybe on YouTube or something, but...

01:09:53.000 Because the Contender here was a boxing show, right?

01:09:55.000 Yeah, but they had the Contender Muay Thai also.

01:09:57.000 Was it called the Contender Asia?

01:09:59.000 Is that what it was called?

01:09:59.000 Yeah, I don't remember.

01:10:00.000 I remember John Wayne Parr was on it, Yotsin Klai. 0.97

01:10:03.000 Right, right, right.

01:10:05.000 I don't remember it that well. 1.00

01:10:07.000 There was another bad motherfucker, Yotsin Klai. 1.00

01:10:08.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:10:10.000 He just came back. 1.00

01:10:11.000 Did he?

01:10:11.000 Oh, he retired for a little bit, right?

01:10:13.000 Yeah, he just fired, I think, last weekend maybe.

01:10:15.000 Oh, man.

01:10:17.000 Yeah.

01:10:17.000 Yeah, it's just, to me, it's one of the great unsung combat sports.

01:10:23.000 You know, all these people that are watching boxing, and I love boxing, but, you know, if HBO just really wanted to get down and dirty, come on, HBO, show me some Muay Thai.

01:10:34.000 Just push it! 1.00

01:10:36.000 That would be so amazing.

01:10:37.000 Have Sanchai on.

01:10:38.000 Can you imagine?

01:10:39.000 Or maybe ESPN, you know, instead of having these... 1.00

01:10:45.000 Commentators, these narrators are just dipshits. 0.99

01:10:49.000 Every time they talk about MMA, I almost vomit. 1.00

01:10:52.000 It's just ridiculous. 0.99

01:10:54.000 Instead of these garbage shows they have, they have golf. 0.99

01:10:59.000 They have darts. 1.00

01:11:02.000 I've seen fucking darts on ESPN. But you can't show a kickboxing match. 0.99

01:11:06.000 Come on.

01:11:07.000 Well, you know what, man?

01:11:08.000 I think there's a problem with commentary with sports that leaks into MMA, and I don't think it belongs there.

01:11:14.000 And I've fought against it from the beginning, and that's the insult commentary.

01:11:18.000 There's a kind of like calling people bums and calling people losers and, you know, get out of the game! 1.00

01:11:26.000 Snoop Dogg, that piece of shit. 1.00

01:11:28.000 I'll call him out. 1.00

01:11:29.000 What don't you like about Snoop Dogg?

01:11:31.000 He called Connor.

01:11:32.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:11:33.000 Mary called him a bitch. 1.00

01:11:34.000 That was a mess. 1.00

01:11:35.000 That was a mess.

01:11:36.000 That's not cool, man.

01:11:36.000 That was a mess.

01:11:38.000 I think he was fucked up. 1.00

01:11:39.000 I don't care. 1.00

01:11:40.000 Yeah.

01:11:41.000 You know?

01:11:42.000 He put it on public.

01:11:43.000 He could have apologized, deleted, whatever.

01:11:46.000 Yeah. 0.74

01:11:47.000 If I go to the UFC PI, I might just punch him if I see him there. 0.65

01:11:50.000 I'm cool with that. 0.69

01:11:51.000 Look out, Snoop.

01:11:53.000 You don't want none of that, Snoop.

01:11:56.000 I'm just saying, that really offends me, man, because you know what, man?

01:12:00.000 Conor, people all have their opinions about him. 0.94

01:12:02.000 I respect the shit out of that guy. 0.97

01:12:04.000 I love what he's done. 0.85

01:12:05.000 I love...

01:12:06.000 I do too.

01:12:06.000 I love his shtick.

01:12:08.000 I think he's a true sportsman.

01:12:12.000 I mean, I like it.

01:12:13.000 He comes into the limelight for a little while, and then he goes back, and I think he goes back and he works his ass off.

01:12:18.000 Yeah.

01:12:18.000 I really think he does.

01:12:20.000 But he definitely does.

01:12:21.000 Yeah, I mean, he wouldn't be where he's at if he didn't, right?

01:12:23.000 Yeah.

01:12:24.000 But everybody judges him by what he does out here.

01:12:27.000 Well, listen, what he did was make $100 million fighting against the greatest boxer of all time for his first professional boxing match.

01:12:34.000 And did well.

01:12:35.000 And won a couple of rounds. 0.99

01:12:36.000 Which is fucking crazy. 1.00

01:12:38.000 That's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:12:40.000 I think Floyd... 1.00

01:12:41.000 Took off.

01:12:41.000 I think the vast majority of people of good fighters could win a round against Floyd.

01:12:47.000 Just because Floyd...

01:12:48.000 I don't know if I say gives him away, but...

01:12:52.000 He's going to feel you.

01:12:54.000 That's the way he fights.

01:12:56.000 He fights everybody like that.

01:12:57.000 He rarely wins the first few rounds.

01:13:01.000 Agreed.

01:13:02.000 But that's not taking away nothing from Conor.

01:13:04.000 He didn't want to get clipped by that left uppercut.

01:13:06.000 That wasn't on his plans.

01:13:09.000 I just think what I'm talking about is the commentators and a lot of the journalists.

01:13:15.000 And you see less of it today because I think...

01:13:16.000 Steven Ace, man.

01:13:17.000 Yeah, that kind of style.

01:13:19.000 There's a style and this is their shtick.

01:13:21.000 Their shtick is mocking people and creating controversy.

01:13:26.000 That's why I say I don't think MMA is a sport.

01:13:29.000 I think it's more intense.

01:13:31.000 You're emptying out out there.

01:13:33.000 When you see a fight and it's a crazy-ass war like Robbie Lawler, Rafael dos Anjos, where it's just five rounds of chaos.

01:13:44.000 To to diminish either one of these guys as a man as a human being based on their performance to mock them or belittle them I just don't think it has any place in that I think it's it's a way more intense and way more personal experience For those guys.

01:14:02.000 It's not playing baseball. 0.96

01:14:05.000 It's not fucking Bill Buckner dropping a ball. 0.98

01:14:08.000 That's not what it is, man. 0.99

01:14:09.000 It's way more intense.

01:14:11.000 If you've got a guy who's a lazy football player who doesn't run fast enough, you want to mock him, that's whatever.

01:14:16.000 You go ahead and do that.

01:14:17.000 I don't care.

01:14:18.000 It doesn't bother me. 1.00

01:14:19.000 But you want to make fun of a guy who's literally putting his health on the line in an occupation where you're competing against a motherfucking trained killer. 0.99

01:14:28.000 And you guys are going to throw bones at each other for five minute rounds. 0.99

01:14:31.000 You gotta have some respect.

01:14:33.000 You have to have respect, or you shouldn't be talking about it.

01:14:35.000 You should have some understanding of it. 0.99

01:14:37.000 You should know what the fuck you're watching, and you should have some respect. 0.85

01:14:41.000 And if you want to say that a guy should retire, if you want to say that a guy has probably seen his better days, that's fine. 0.99

01:14:47.000 But have some respect.

01:14:48.000 This is a different thing, man.

01:14:49.000 It is not a regular sport.

01:14:51.000 I agree.

01:14:52.000 And I would say also that...

01:14:57.000 They have no right to be saying things that they've never done, right?

01:15:00.000 Yeah.

01:15:00.000 I mean, you just can't...

01:15:03.000 You don't have to compete, right? 0.89

01:15:05.000 Like, you do jujitsu and Muay Thai and shit, and you get such a... 0.64

01:15:10.000 More in-depth knowledge about what they're truly going through, right? 0.89

01:15:14.000 And what's happening by just experiencing it a little bit, right?

01:15:18.000 There's that, and there's also, I think, if you've never really been punched in the face, and you're talking about guys getting punched in the face, like, you really don't even understand the experience.

01:15:31.000 Even worse, you've never been punched in the face and there's nothing you can do about it.

01:15:38.000 The worst I ever had, I went down to Cuba for a little while and trained with the Olympic boxing team down there.

01:15:44.000 When did you do this?

01:15:47.000 2012, I think.

01:15:49.000 How did this come about?

01:15:51.000 Was it even legal to go down there back then?

01:15:53.000 Did you go on a raft?

01:15:54.000 How did you get down there?

01:15:57.000 I think I'm past the, what were they called it?

01:16:00.000 Statue of Limitations.

01:16:01.000 It's actually illegal to spend money there.

01:16:03.000 So I didn't spend any money there.

01:16:05.000 But I went there, and I guess it's not illegal to actually go there.

01:16:08.000 So we went through Mexico City.

01:16:10.000 You go to Mexico City, then you buy a flight in Mexico City and go over there.

01:16:14.000 One of my coaches I worked with for a long time on and off is a Cuban.

01:16:18.000 And he grew up there.

01:16:19.000 And we went there together.

01:16:21.000 He's a part of the, he used to coach the wrestling team.

01:16:25.000 So I went there and trained with the wrestlers.

01:16:28.000 For six, eight weeks.

01:16:30.000 And we'd go over to the boxing team every now and then.

01:16:33.000 Well, I went with one guy.

01:16:34.000 He was a two-time gold medalist, I think.

01:16:37.000 And I've never seen boxing like I had in my life.

01:16:39.000 I mean, I've never felt anything.

01:16:40.000 And there's nothing I could do.

01:16:42.000 Nothing. 0.99

01:16:42.000 I mean, I tried every fucking trick in the book. 0.99

01:16:45.000 I tried every athletic move. 0.99

01:16:47.000 Hands up, hands down, hands aside.

01:16:49.000 Whatever.

01:16:50.000 Nothing.

01:16:51.000 I mean, I've never seen boxing.

01:16:52.000 And, I mean, two-time Gold Meadows.

01:16:55.000 I mean, he was an amazing, amazing boxer.

01:16:57.000 I can't remember his name or anything.

01:16:58.000 But, you know, just never experienced anything like it.

01:17:01.000 And it was the same with the wrestlers.

01:17:02.000 I mean, I went with some guys that...

01:17:06.000 I got to go with Mijan Lopez.

01:17:08.000 He's a heavyweight, of course.

01:17:09.000 Greco, I don't know if you know, he is the greatest Greco next to Carolyn.

01:17:15.000 Rivaling Carolyn in the greatest ever.

01:17:18.000 You know, I went with this guy, Ivan Fundora, who you had been asking last week.

01:17:22.000 He was a guy who, I think he was the guy that Askren couldn't get past for the Olympics.

01:17:26.000 I know that Fundora beat him, but He teched him.

01:17:32.000 As amazing as he is, that's how much better Fundora is.

01:17:36.000 Explain teched him for people.

01:17:38.000 Was it 15 points?

01:17:40.000 I don't know what it is in international, actually.

01:17:42.000 I thought it was 9 or 10. Whatever.

01:17:46.000 You've got to get way ahead of someone.

01:17:48.000 He worked him over.

01:17:52.000 You know, so I got to work with these just amazing guys.

01:17:55.000 But the boxing, you know, that's what we were talking about.

01:17:58.000 I mean, I've literally...

01:18:01.000 To experience that this guy is punching you and there's nothing you can do.

01:18:05.000 Nothing.

01:18:06.000 We're in a little ring and you don't have a choice.

01:18:08.000 You can get out of the ring or you can get punched.

01:18:12.000 That's your only choice.

01:18:13.000 Just getting boxed up.

01:18:14.000 Boxed up.

01:18:15.000 And he's moving like Sanchai, relaxed and chilled.

01:18:19.000 He's like, what do you want? 0.98

01:18:21.000 Are you going to fucking do something or what? 0.99

01:18:23.000 I'm not talking to him like that. 0.99

01:18:25.000 But doing it with his motions.

01:18:27.000 Yeah.

01:18:29.000 Terrible.

01:18:29.000 What an amazing place though, man.

01:18:31.000 I feel really bad for those people.

01:18:34.000 What an experience, man.

01:18:36.000 Just a different world.

01:18:37.000 You feel like you're going back in the 50s.

01:18:39.000 Where'd you eat over there?

01:18:40.000 How do you eat?

01:18:41.000 So we stayed with Ivan Fundora and his wife who actually cooked for us every day.

01:18:46.000 But there's restaurants and stuff, too.

01:18:48.000 I mean, it's like a dollar or two.

01:18:49.000 We went to this one place just about every day.

01:18:52.000 They'd serve a big bowl of spaghetti, like this big around, just a gigantic bowl for like a dollar.

01:18:58.000 Wow.

01:18:58.000 They had chicken on top.

01:18:59.000 They don't really have red meat.

01:19:02.000 I guess it's only for the wealthy or for the top people.

01:19:05.000 I don't know if it's illegal or something, but to witness the...

01:19:10.000 LeVon Lopez is who we stayed with originally, so...

01:19:13.000 To witness the way they live was really fascinating.

01:19:16.000 In their wrestling dorms, it's like six stories high.

01:19:20.000 We had to walk to the bottom to get a five-gallon bucket of water to take a bath.

01:19:24.000 They had no running water upstairs.

01:19:25.000 Take a bath.

01:19:26.000 That's how you brush your teeth.

01:19:27.000 That's how you do everything.

01:19:29.000 The guys on the top floor are the first team.

01:19:32.000 The varsity team, so to speak.

01:19:34.000 The first level guys.

01:19:36.000 They get four meals a day and they get air conditioning in the room.

01:19:41.000 The guys right below them, the second team, they got three meals a day and no air conditioning.

01:19:46.000 So these guys are literally fighting for their food and for the next level.

01:19:52.000 I've seen fights break out.

01:19:54.000 I've seen guys trying to hurt each other in the wrestling room. 0.99

01:19:58.000 It's fucking intense day in, day out, man. 0.98

01:20:01.000 They have some incredible genetics over there, too. 0.99

01:20:03.000 Incredible.

01:20:04.000 You look at a guy like Yoel Romero. 1.00

01:20:06.000 That motherfucker looks like he was made in a lab somewhere. 1.00

01:20:09.000 Like some scientist just spliced together all the perfect attributes. 1.00

01:20:13.000 And just to be clear, don't quote me on that.

01:20:15.000 That's kind of how I heard through translation.

01:20:18.000 Maybe if I got something wrong, I don't want a bunch of Cubans trying to beat me up for quoting it wrong or anything. 1.00

01:20:26.000 Like I said, it's an amazing place, man.

01:20:27.000 Those guys, they're fighting for their food, man.

01:20:30.000 I've seen one kid, he was the cousin of LeVon Lopez.

01:20:33.000 LeVon's a bronze medalist and probably should have been gold medalist.

01:20:39.000 The Olympics have a lot of...

01:20:42.000 Kind of behind the scenes stuff that people don't know about.

01:20:45.000 I'm not sure if I'm really at liberty to speak about in public.

01:20:49.000 Because it's rumors, right?

01:20:50.000 No, there's facts.

01:20:51.000 Like what?

01:20:52.000 There's certainly facts.

01:20:53.000 I'm not sure that I can really talk about it in public.

01:20:55.000 I wouldn't want to hurt any of those guys.

01:20:59.000 His cousin came from Piñar del Rio, which we went out there one day, and that was a good story. 0.98

01:21:05.000 So we got to Piñar del Rio, it's like two hours from Havana, and we took a donkey cart to a fucking farm in the middle of nowhere.

01:21:13.000 We go back, probably five, six acre farm, we walk back through this horse field, walking over shit and everything, and in there's a, I'll show you all these pictures of this too, it's fascinating, and there's a forest, and as soon as you walk through the forest, Now it's a casino in the middle of a forest. 0.99

01:21:29.000 So I guess all this shit's illegal. 0.99

01:21:30.000 There's cock fights, chicken fights in the fucking middle of the woods. 1.00

01:21:34.000 Wow. 0.99

01:21:34.000 Which is illegal in Cuba. 0.99

01:21:35.000 So I got to do...

01:21:36.000 Cock fights are illegal? 0.99

01:21:37.000 Yeah.

01:21:38.000 So I got to experience illegal chicken fights in an illegal country.

01:21:45.000 But yeah, we took the donkey cart out there and we got stopped by the cops actually.

01:21:49.000 So I'm sitting there like, this is about to be really bad.

01:21:53.000 So I never even told my wife that.

01:21:55.000 But...

01:21:57.000 So anyway, we're at Pinheiro Del Rio.

01:21:59.000 That's where LeVon's cousin lived.

01:22:00.000 He actually saved his money, which I think everybody gets the same amount, like the doctor and the chef, or the waiter.

01:22:10.000 They all get the same money, right?

01:22:13.000 This thing is $30 a month.

01:22:14.000 So he saved all this money.

01:22:16.000 Their entire home is smaller than this room right here.

01:22:19.000 Four people living in there.

01:22:22.000 Probably, I would say, about the size of these tables combined.

01:22:25.000 Wow.

01:22:26.000 Anyway, so while I was trying to get it, his cousin saved his money for like a whole year just so he could come train with the national team.

01:22:33.000 He came out there, only had money to get there, so LeVon was sharing his meals with him.

01:22:40.000 So now he's only eating two meals a day instead of the three or four, maybe three meals instead of the four, something like that.

01:22:47.000 But yeah, very, very fascinating.

01:22:49.000 Just watching that, you know, we just forget what we have and how blessed our lives are.

01:22:53.000 Humbling.

01:22:54.000 Humbling, man. 0.99

01:22:55.000 And these guys are just savages, man.

01:22:58.000 Just hard, hard workers and getting the job done, just getting nothing for it.

01:23:04.000 You know, some of the guys at the top, like Mijan Lopez, he gets some things.

01:23:09.000 Like Fundora, for instance, he got internet access.

01:23:13.000 That was like a blessing for him to have internet access because He had done so much for the country in the Olympics.

01:23:21.000 That's crazy.

01:23:21.000 I think he was a bronze medalist, I think.

01:23:23.000 They hooked him up with the internet.

01:23:24.000 Yeah, hooked up with the internet.

01:23:25.000 And I still email him every now and then.

01:23:27.000 He'll send me pictures of his family and stuff.

01:23:29.000 Wow.

01:23:30.000 And it's something like fundora at cubagovernment.net or something like that.

01:23:36.000 So he goes through the government.

01:23:37.000 So the government tracks every email coming in and out.

01:23:40.000 So he would even tell me before I left, don't email me this or this, don't talk about this.

01:23:48.000 I think it's maybe laxed up a little bit, but I'm not sure.

01:23:52.000 I can tell you a lot of stories about it.

01:23:55.000 It was really a very eye-opening experience.

01:23:59.000 I want to take my kids there sometime, just to see. 1.00

01:24:03.000 What if you grew up here, motherfucker? 1.00

01:24:05.000 Yeah, no shit, right? 1.00

01:24:06.000 Be happy. 0.99

01:24:07.000 You got what you got.

01:24:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:11.000 One of the pictures I could show you would be the wrestling room in Peñar Del Rio.

01:24:16.000 I think Eo Romero came from there, actually.

01:24:19.000 Mahan came from there.

01:24:20.000 LeVon came from there.

01:24:21.000 And their wrestling room is actually probably about as big as this room.

01:24:25.000 It's a dirt floor with the mats are, you know, so if you imagine a mat getting dissolved in water and all the little pieces just spread out, so they sweep up all those pieces, put them in a, it's about as big as this table here, they sweep it all together and stack it up and that's their mat.

01:24:43.000 So they just practice, you know, basically take down stuff.

01:24:46.000 And that's why they're so hard to take down.

01:24:49.000 They learn from a young age. 1.00

01:24:50.000 You get taken down, it fucking sucks. 1.00

01:24:52.000 Wow. 1.00

01:24:53.000 I'll show you a picture of it.

01:24:54.000 I mean, it's really fascinating.

01:24:56.000 Wow.

01:24:57.000 How long were you over there for?

01:24:59.000 Six to eight weeks.

01:25:00.000 I can't remember.

01:25:01.000 Whoa, that's a long time.

01:25:02.000 Yeah, we stayed for a long time.

01:25:04.000 And we did basically the whole training camp over there.

01:25:06.000 For which fight?

01:25:07.000 Jordan Mean.

01:25:08.000 Wow.

01:25:09.000 And that was when I first started working with that guy.

01:25:12.000 And the first thing he said was, you need better wrestling.

01:25:15.000 Let's go to Cuba. 1.00

01:25:16.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:25:17.000 I said, all right, let's go. 1.00

01:25:18.000 Wow.

01:25:19.000 And so I wrestled with those guys every day.

01:25:22.000 My wrestling came up tremendously.

01:25:24.000 Oh, I would imagine.

01:25:25.000 Yeah, I mean, there's no way, sink or swim.

01:25:27.000 And then I said I got to work with the boxing team.

01:25:30.000 The boxing team, I mean, the wrestling is one thing, but I've seen a lot of the junior boxing team guys.

01:25:35.000 I've seen one kid get kicked off the boxing team.

01:25:37.000 They take their boxing very, very serious over there.

01:25:41.000 That's their national sport.

01:25:43.000 One kid got kicked off the team because he wasn't keeping up, and they were doing...

01:25:47.000 They had to get up at like 5 a.m., do like an 8-mile run or something, and they put, you know, water bottles like this, and they fill it up with sand, and that's their dumbbells, and the kid didn't have any shoes, but he couldn't keep up, and they were doing hill sprints, and he kept falling behind.

01:26:00.000 They're like, you're off the team.

01:26:01.000 Whoa.

01:26:01.000 So they would do like a 5 a.m., and then they go to school, and then they do an afternoon workout, and then they go back to school, and then they do an evening workout, and they live in these dorms, and that's literally all they do.

01:26:12.000 That's their entire life.

01:26:14.000 Wow. 0.58

01:26:15.000 They want to get out there, you know, or live a better life, you know, be a champion or die. 1.00

01:26:20.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:26:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:26:22.000 And again, you know, I was looking at all this or learning all this through translation.

01:26:27.000 So, you know, I could have some things not exactly right.

01:26:32.000 But, you know, I was living there with them for a little while.

01:26:35.000 Have you wanted to go to Thailand?

01:26:37.000 Absolutely, yeah.

01:26:37.000 I do too.

01:26:39.000 My thing is, when I did that, my kids were very young, and it wasn't so bad to leave them with their mom for a little while.

01:26:45.000 Now I have three kids.

01:26:48.000 Specifically my daughter, it's just hard to leave.

01:26:50.000 To fly to Thailand.

01:26:52.000 Have you never been there?

01:26:53.000 No.

01:26:54.000 To fly there is expensive.

01:26:57.000 I just can't leave my family anymore.

01:27:00.000 But there's places you can go and bring them.

01:27:02.000 Phuket's supposed to be nice, right?

01:27:05.000 Yeah, and again, the flights, you know, is what's expensive.

01:27:08.000 Once you get there, it's cheap, right?

01:27:09.000 But the flight, I mean, $1,000 per person, you know, I'm looking at $5,000 just to fly there.

01:27:15.000 So, yeah, I want to, but that's the nice thing about having Doran.

01:27:19.000 Yeah, right, right, right.

01:27:21.000 Now, are you living in Colorado still, or are you here?

01:27:24.000 Yeah, so I live in Colorado right now, and then I'm coming back and forth a lot, coming to LA. Yeah, doing a lot of work with the Muscle Farm.

01:27:30.000 Because Muscle Farm's opening up their main headquarters now in Burbank, is that what it's going to be?

01:27:34.000 Yep, so they moved here.

01:27:35.000 Why did they decide to move here?

01:27:37.000 Well, the CEO lives here, for one thing, and I think they're going to attract a lot more athletes here, and I think that they're going to be able to do a much bigger thing, and really what they're doing is they're restructuring the entire business.

01:27:48.000 They're kind of moving away from just simply being, you know, well, they're changing from MusclePharm to MP, for instance, so it's not just for the bodybuilder-type crowd and the, excuse me,

01:28:04.000 for the meatheads and the, you know, and I mean, they'll certainly still be catering to that crowd, but now they want to open it up more as a lifestyle brand, expand it, and they'll be doing a lot more stuff with a lot more athletes, which I think they'll be able to do out here better than in Denver.

01:28:21.000 Now, as a guy who's trained at sea level and you lived in Denver, how much of a benefit is it to be at that 5,500 feet altitude?

01:28:30.000 Pros and cons.

01:28:31.000 What's the con?

01:28:32.000 Well, the number one con is that your max capacity is lower.

01:28:38.000 So you can't work as hard?

01:28:40.000 You can't work as hard.

01:28:41.000 Right.

01:28:41.000 But once you get adapted, though?

01:28:43.000 You know, I've been a little torn with that because I tell you, when I do my max capacity training, I don't think I've been able to reach the same levels that I was at C-level.

01:28:53.000 Okay.

01:28:53.000 I've heard other people say that they are able to.

01:28:56.000 My PRs, in terms of lifts, have been comparable.

01:29:01.000 But of course, I was at Westside before, so it's not...

01:29:03.000 I mean, you just not...

01:29:05.000 I tell you what, you walk into Westside, you hit a PR. Period.

01:29:10.000 It doesn't matter.

01:29:12.000 There's an energy in the air.

01:29:13.000 There's an aura.

01:29:14.000 It's an intense place.

01:29:15.000 Yeah, you've been there.

01:29:16.000 I mean, you probably hit a PR, I bet.

01:29:18.000 If you worked out...

01:29:22.000 Again, there's pros and cons.

01:29:23.000 I mean, the obvious pro is the red blood cell count, and I think your lung capacity goes up.

01:29:27.000 Yeah.

01:29:28.000 The idea, they say, is to sleep at altitude, but to train at sea level.

01:29:34.000 Exactly.

01:29:34.000 And it's so that you can push your max capacity at sea level and then recover.

01:29:39.000 Yeah, so if you're in California, you would live in Big Bear, but then you would train down in San Bernardino or something like that.

01:29:46.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:29:47.000 And I don't even know California well enough to know how that works.

01:29:51.000 Well, Big Bear's pretty close.

01:29:52.000 You can get to Big Bear in two hours.

01:29:53.000 Yeah, you could drive there right now.

01:29:54.000 It's funny how people out here say that's close. 0.78

01:29:58.000 Like, to me, two hours is a long ass way. 0.99

01:30:00.000 Well, yeah, no, it's close as fuck here. 0.99

01:30:02.000 Two hours would take you that long to get to Irvine in traffic. 0.98

01:30:05.000 That's what everybody says.

01:30:06.000 If I got to work in Irvine, like if I'm doing the improv and it's an 8 o'clock show, I leave here at 4. I'm not bullshitting.

01:30:13.000 I leave here at 4 p.m. 0.99

01:30:14.000 and I'm stuck in traffic for two and a half fucking hours. 1.00

01:30:17.000 No bullshit. 1.00

01:30:17.000 I give myself a buffer. 1.00

01:30:18.000 Everybody listens to podcasts, huh?

01:30:20.000 Yeah.

01:30:21.000 Podcasts, audio books, you know, anything.

01:30:24.000 Anything. 0.99

01:30:24.000 Just keep your mind off that fucking, those red lights in front of you. 0.99

01:30:28.000 Right. 1.00

01:30:29.000 So I'm from Columbus, Ohio.

01:30:29.000 Like, you go around the outer belt in like an hour.

01:30:33.000 Yeah.

01:30:34.000 Yeah, you guys have terrible traffic.

01:30:36.000 It's like, oh, stuck in traffic for 10 minutes.

01:30:38.000 Yeah, that's exactly it.

01:30:40.000 I mean, Denver's pretty bad now, actually.

01:30:42.000 All that weed.

01:30:43.000 Yeah, all the weed, man.

01:30:44.000 People just went there. 0.98

01:30:47.000 Last time I was there, I was like, what the fuck is going on here with all this traffic? 0.99

01:30:50.000 It's just weed. 0.99

01:30:52.000 Apparently, I guess it's actually been growing for years like that anyway, but man, when you go skiing, that's the worst, man.

01:30:58.000 You come back from a ski resort, Sunday, 4 or 5 o'clock, dude, it's like...

01:31:03.000 I just did it the other week, and it took me three and a half hours for a one and a half hour drive.

01:31:07.000 That's crazy, yeah. 0.94

01:31:09.000 Well, Denver's just, it's an amazing city because you're in this cool city that's a real city, a legit city, and then right outside is the fucking Rocky Mountains. 0.96

01:31:19.000 It's right there. 0.88

01:31:20.000 You drive an hour, and you're in the Rocky Mountains. 1.00

01:31:23.000 I mean, fucking wilderness, Jack. 1.00

01:31:26.000 Elk screaming and bears running around. 1.00

01:31:29.000 Wow!

01:31:29.000 What other city has that?

01:31:31.000 An hour outside the city, you're in the fucking mountains. 0.99

01:31:34.000 And it's sunny too. 0.99

01:31:35.000 Yeah.

01:31:35.000 You get all four seasons, which I like.

01:31:37.000 And the people are cool as fuck. 0.86

01:31:38.000 Yeah, people are cool, yeah. 0.97

01:31:39.000 This is one of the few places I would live outside of California.

01:31:42.000 Well, you used to live there, right?

01:31:43.000 Yeah, I lived in Boulder.

01:31:44.000 Yeah.

01:31:45.000 I'm not sure I would go Boulder.

01:31:46.000 Well, I was in the mountains above Boulder.

01:31:48.000 I was like 3,000 feet above Boulder.

01:31:50.000 I was 8,500 feet.

01:31:52.000 It was pretty interesting.

01:31:53.000 Nice.

01:31:53.000 Did you feel the difference?

01:31:54.000 Yeah, man.

01:31:55.000 Going up the stairs, you get tired.

01:31:57.000 It's crazy.

01:31:57.000 It's so thin.

01:31:58.000 But did you adapt to it and feel the difference from that?

01:31:59.000 No, I was only there for three months.

01:32:01.000 My wife got pregnant.

01:32:01.000 Oh, really?

01:32:02.000 Yeah.

01:32:02.000 My wife got pregnant, and it's rough up there for women if they haven't adapted.

01:32:07.000 It's rough in Denver, but then you go 3,000 feet above Denver, it's real rough.

01:32:12.000 Yeah, I go up there all the time, yeah.

01:32:13.000 Yeah.

01:32:13.000 If you're a woman and you get pregnant up there, it's like having the flu.

01:32:17.000 It's real bad.

01:32:17.000 And they have a really high instance of low birth weight and premature birth.

01:32:22.000 I did not know that.

01:32:23.000 Yeah.

01:32:23.000 Denver does as well.

01:32:25.000 Denver has one of the highest rates in the country of premature births.

01:32:28.000 I did not know that.

01:32:29.000 That's fascinating.

01:32:30.000 Yeah.

01:32:31.000 I was up at my friend's house out by Edwards, a little bit past Vail the other day.

01:32:35.000 Like you were talking about the elk and the bears and stuff.

01:32:38.000 I mean, at nighttime, he said, usually you shine a flashlight out and you see the eyes of the mountain lions.

01:32:44.000 He's got dogs and stuff and they're just sitting there waiting.

01:32:47.000 He's got a fence now, but he's like, you just see their eyes. 0.97

01:32:52.000 There was one, a story that I tweeted out today in California where some fucking mountain lion was banging on this green door or this glass door trying to get at this dog in California. 0.97

01:33:03.000 Yeah, they got pictures of this cat. 0.98

01:33:04.000 I said, you don't want to mess with those guys. 1.00

01:33:06.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:33:07.000 Yeah, one of them ate my dog. 1.00

01:33:09.000 A bear is one thing.

01:33:10.000 Oh, really?

01:33:10.000 Yeah, one of them ate my dog in Gold Hill.

01:33:14.000 This fucking mountain lion, man. 1.00

01:33:16.000 Right outside these people's house trying to get at their little dog. 1.00

01:33:20.000 Yeah, they took pictures of it.

01:33:23.000 And it's killed a bunch of pets in the neighborhood, apparently.

01:33:25.000 They have a real problem with them in California because they don't hunt them, so they're not scared of people at all.

01:33:31.000 That's the problem with California, right?

01:33:33.000 They're against everything that I'm for.

01:33:37.000 Except for legalizing weed.

01:33:40.000 It's ignorance-based.

01:33:41.000 They have an idea of what a mountain lion is and that these are these majestic creatures and they shouldn't be hunted.

01:33:48.000 And what they would like to do is eliminate all hunting and let nature sort it out on their own.

01:33:51.000 But yet they have grocery stores everywhere where they have food that's murdered animals that are factory farmed. 1.00

01:33:56.000 It's the stupidest fucking shit ever. 1.00

01:33:58.000 You're not going to turn the whole state into vegetarians. 1.00

01:34:00.000 So this idea that you're going to eliminate hunting is so fucking stupid. 1.00

01:34:04.000 It's like you would rather people... 1.00

01:34:05.000 Are they trying to do that?

01:34:06.000 Are they trying to eliminate hunting or...

01:34:07.000 The people that are the most radical wildlife activists would like to eventually eliminate hunting and have all these animals sorted out with themselves in a natural way.

01:34:18.000 But they're never going to eliminate people eating meat.

01:34:20.000 97% of the people in this country eat meat.

01:34:23.000 That's a real number.

01:34:24.000 So this idea that you're going to somehow or another change those 97% based on the desires of the 3%, which fluctuate back and forth, by the way. 0.67

01:34:32.000 The 3%, there's a lot of those 3% that fall off, and they eventually, for health reasons, go back to eating meat again, or eating some animal products.

01:34:39.000 At least fish. 0.97

01:34:40.000 Animals are fucking awesome. 0.96

01:34:42.000 I love the fact they're real. 0.97

01:34:44.000 I love that they're out there.

01:34:45.000 But if you think that it's okay to have tons of mountain lions, I have a buddy who works at Tejon Ranch.

01:34:50.000 They got a trail camera over there over a pond.

01:34:53.000 They got photos of 16 different mountain lions visiting this pond.

01:34:57.000 Yeah.

01:34:58.000 What? 1.00

01:34:59.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:35:00.000 That's intense, yeah. 1.00

01:35:01.000 And this is all because in the 1990s, they outlawed hunting of them.

01:35:05.000 They didn't do it for any rational reason.

01:35:08.000 I mean, mountain lion is an apex predator, right?

01:35:10.000 It's an apex predator, and you can eat them, and they're delicious.

01:35:12.000 They taste like pork.

01:35:13.000 Yeah.

01:35:14.000 Yeah, my friend Steve shot one recently.

01:35:16.000 He said it was one of the most delicious meals he's ever had in his life.

01:35:19.000 I'll have to try it.

01:35:19.000 Yeah, they have delicious fat that you cook them and you cook it just like pork.

01:35:24.000 I never would have thought that.

01:35:25.000 I never would have thought either.

01:35:26.000 Because they're in the cat family, right?

01:35:27.000 Yeah, it's weird eating a cat.

01:35:29.000 But apparently they're delicious.

01:35:30.000 Probably have before.

01:35:31.000 Yeah, well...

01:35:32.000 Unknowingly.

01:35:33.000 But it's just to control the population to keep them from...

01:35:36.000 Yeah.

01:35:36.000 It's good luck finding a deer in California.

01:35:39.000 There's so few deer out there.

01:35:39.000 You ever feel like when you walk into the grocery store and you see the meat aisle, like you just see animals sitting there?

01:35:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:35:45.000 Because you see...

01:35:46.000 I mean, the meat aisle is gigantic, as big as this wall.

01:35:49.000 Yeah.

01:35:49.000 And like, when I see it, I just see a bunch of animals.

01:35:52.000 I'm like, man, like none of these were...

01:35:55.000 Treated right, raised right, killed right, and now they're packaged like there's some glorious, amazing food.

01:36:01.000 Well, it's just soup.

01:36:02.000 It's too sanitized and sterilized.

01:36:04.000 It's weird.

01:36:05.000 And especially as someone who's killed animals and quartered them up in the field and carried them away and cut them up and wrapped them and vacuum sealed them and put them in my freezer and then thawed them out and ate them.

01:36:16.000 I've been there through the whole process, so I look at the whole thing totally different now.

01:36:20.000 When I go to the butcher section...

01:36:21.000 I did that when I was like 10 years old.

01:36:24.000 You've been doing it forever.

01:36:25.000 I haven't hunted since I was a teenager.

01:36:28.000 But you have and you know it.

01:36:30.000 We used to raise chickens.

01:36:33.000 My dad would be like, go kill a chicken for dinner.

01:36:36.000 That was my job sometimes.

01:36:39.000 So, yeah, same thing.

01:36:41.000 Especially when you raise the animal, too.

01:36:43.000 Right.

01:36:44.000 You become kind of, you know, have some compassion for it.

01:36:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:47.000 You realize that chickens, in particular, I mean, way more so with cattle and pigs.

01:36:53.000 Like, you realize pigs are very smart.

01:36:55.000 You know, they're intelligent and... 0.94

01:36:57.000 Like a dog.

01:36:58.000 Yeah.

01:36:59.000 Yeah, I mean, I feel like...

01:37:01.000 I know that technically they're that smart, right?

01:37:03.000 But there's something different about dogs, right?

01:37:05.000 Yeah.

01:37:06.000 For whatever reason.

01:37:07.000 Yeah, there's something different about it.

01:37:09.000 For us.

01:37:09.000 Maybe just my bias from what I've been taught from society or whatever.

01:37:14.000 Yeah, culturally, right?

01:37:15.000 Yeah.

01:37:16.000 Yeah, we have animals that we like better.

01:37:18.000 Yeah.

01:37:18.000 Yeah, certainly, yeah.

01:37:19.000 I mean, I felt terrible, like, killing some of the pigs. 0.96

01:37:22.000 Yeah, I'd imagine. 0.87

01:37:24.000 Yeah.

01:37:24.000 And then you eat them.

01:37:25.000 And, you know, personally, I mean, I always thought the grocery store sausage and bacon tasted way better.

01:37:30.000 But I was like, man, that was sort of my excuse.

01:37:35.000 I was like, man, it doesn't taste good.

01:37:36.000 I'm not sure if I want to eat it.

01:37:37.000 But in my head, I'm thinking, man, I really feel bad for this guy.

01:37:40.000 I don't want to eat him.

01:37:41.000 Yeah.

01:37:42.000 No, I know what you mean, man.

01:37:43.000 We have a weird disconnect with food in this country in particular, and especially in this day and age.

01:37:49.000 When you have a majority of the people eating meat, and the majority of people have never seen the animal die, and then get chopped up and turned into meat, and then eat it, there's always going to be this weird disconnect.

01:38:00.000 How do you change that, though?

01:38:02.000 Boy, I don't know.

01:38:03.000 I don't know if you can.

01:38:04.000 I just think it's one of the weird...

01:38:05.000 I think this society is an amazing thing, what we've accomplished, where you don't have to ever worry about food.

01:38:15.000 You can just go down the store, right down the street here, and get a steak, and cook it, and...

01:38:20.000 Instantaneously.

01:38:21.000 You don't have to kill it. 0.97

01:38:22.000 You don't have to dress it.

01:38:24.000 All these steps have been avoided.

01:38:26.000 You just give them a piece of paper.

01:38:27.000 That piece of paper gets you a steak.

01:38:30.000 It's amazing.

01:38:32.000 You could go to a store down the corner over here and you can get gasoline. 0.98

01:38:37.000 Some motherfucker had to go to the Middle East, pull oil out of the ground, refine it, put it in tanker trucks, drive it across the country, pump it into a hole in the ground. 0.99

01:38:46.000 You swipe a piece of plastic through this reader You punch in your area code or your zip code, whatever the fuck it is. 1.00

01:38:55.000 You put the nozzle in your tank, you fill your tank up with gas, this fucking car that's designed by engineers in a way you would never be able to figure out on your own. 0.98

01:39:06.000 And you get to turn the key and drive this thing around. 0.98

01:39:09.000 There's so many steps that have been taken to make our lives way more convenient.

01:39:14.000 You don't even have to do all that anymore.

01:39:15.000 You have this thing in your hand. 0.99

01:39:17.000 You just push a button and some dude's gonna show up at your fucking door with food. 1.00

01:39:21.000 Or some dude with a car and drives you anywhere you want to go. 0.99

01:39:24.000 Yeah, drive you anywhere you go.

01:39:26.000 He shows up with the animal that's been...

01:39:29.000 You know, slaughtered and cooked and sterilized and you ain't got to worry about if it's healthy or not.

01:39:35.000 Like when I was in Cuba, they had, like I said, the red meat is, you know, I don't know if it's illegal or just very hard to come by or whatever, but so we went to this sort of black market stand and Man, I got a picture of it.

01:39:48.000 I mean, it's a table bigger than this table of just red meat sitting out. 1.00

01:39:52.000 There's flies on it, but people are just like, Dad, yes, I want some.

01:39:58.000 You know, it's all the different cuts and everything.

01:40:00.000 It cut up just terribly.

01:40:02.000 Right, right.

01:40:03.000 Wow. 0.99

01:40:04.000 Yeah, we're lucky as shit, man. 0.99

01:40:06.000 This is the easiest time ever to be alive. 0.99

01:40:08.000 It really is.

01:40:10.000 Yeah, at least in America.

01:40:11.000 Yeah, at least in America.

01:40:12.000 Maybe not in some places.

01:40:13.000 No, I think that's why it's good to visit other places, man.

01:40:16.000 Just to get a look around and see what it's like.

01:40:19.000 That's one of my three reasons I want to go to Thailand.

01:40:21.000 I want to go there and train, but...

01:40:23.000 Only so much.

01:40:25.000 I think that so much of the Thai skill training is already in America.

01:40:31.000 You might get some details or whatever over there, but they're also so traditional and so far behind us in terms of, at least in strength and conditioning and proper ways of training and things like that.

01:40:42.000 I don't know how beneficial that is, but I want to go over there and see how they live.

01:40:45.000 I mean, they eat spiders and You know, these insects and most people are ultra poor over there and You know, but you know, they're all they're really Buddhist right and then I guess they kind of You know, they drop their kids off at the freaking Thai camp and just leave like yeah, you know, it's very strange to us Yeah, I find it fascinating Yeah, I do too. 0.99

01:41:09.000 I find it incredibly fascinating.

01:41:11.000 You know, I talked to John Wayne Park quite a bit about his experiences over there.

01:41:14.000 He went over there when he was real young and lived over there and lived in Thai camps, lived like a Thai. 0.99

01:41:19.000 Incredible stories, you know?

01:41:20.000 So it's just a very unique culture.

01:41:23.000 It helps you appreciate where you live and puts things into perspective.

01:41:28.000 Yeah.

01:41:29.000 And there in Japan, you've been there, I'm sure.

01:41:34.000 Yeah, I've been to Japan.

01:41:35.000 Fascinating.

01:41:36.000 Fascinating the shit out of me, too.

01:41:37.000 It's like being in a foreign land that's also on another planet. 0.97

01:41:41.000 People standing in line at the subway to get on the subway train.

01:41:45.000 Yeah.

01:41:47.000 I was there for, we did like a military tour, and I think Todd Duffy was there, and was it CB Dalloway maybe?

01:41:55.000 But yeah, you could see Todd from over top of the crowd from like a mile away.

01:42:01.000 Right, yeah.

01:42:02.000 It's hilarious.

01:42:03.000 Yeah, it's interesting how polite they are over there.

01:42:07.000 So polite, yeah.

01:42:07.000 Yeah, there's so much order and discipline.

01:42:10.000 It's just completely fascinating.

01:42:11.000 Yeah, I remember them on the subway train, they're standing in line.

01:42:14.000 Yeah.

01:42:15.000 I just wanted to walk to the front of the line. 1.00

01:42:18.000 Fuck you guys. 1.00

01:42:19.000 You probably could have done it. 1.00

01:42:20.000 They probably wouldn't have even said anything.

01:42:21.000 Well, then we did another one in Iraq, or Middle East.

01:42:25.000 Iraq was one of the places, or did we?

01:42:27.000 I can't remember, but the Middle East.

01:42:29.000 And man, those people will shove you right out of the way.

01:42:33.000 You're funneling in through the airport or something.

01:42:36.000 They're the rudest people ever when it comes to standing in line.

01:42:40.000 You know what I'm talking about, right? 1.00

01:42:42.000 It's ridiculous. 0.96

01:42:43.000 You say something to them, I don't speak English or whatever. 1.00

01:42:47.000 I don't speak your language either, so I guess we're fucked. 0.98

01:42:51.000 How many different countries have you fought in? 0.99

01:42:54.000 Only two.

01:42:57.000 I fought in the UK. Is it a big transition going over there?

01:43:01.000 The weight cuts got to be harder and finding the right food?

01:43:05.000 When I fought over there, the weight cut wasn't that bad.

01:43:14.000 Finding the right food was terrible.

01:43:16.000 You said you've been on a ketogenic diet.

01:43:17.000 We were talking before the podcast for the last, what, three years?

01:43:20.000 About three years, yeah.

01:43:21.000 It was after I fought Johnny Hendricks, actually.

01:43:23.000 And I suffered a concussion, and that was what originally got me on to the idea of doing a ketogenic diet.

01:43:30.000 And then I fought Robbie Lawler next.

01:43:34.000 Why did the concussion get you on the idea of having a ketogenic diet?

01:43:37.000 Well, it's good for TBI and concussion.

01:43:39.000 I mean, that's the theory, at least.

01:43:42.000 I don't think they have a lot of proof.

01:43:43.000 I know they've done some research on mice, but not necessarily on humans.

01:43:47.000 And how did you feel when you changed your diet?

01:43:51.000 In what sense?

01:43:52.000 Like initially, was there a struggle?

01:43:54.000 Oh yeah, the first couple weeks is terrible.

01:43:56.000 That keto flu thing?

01:43:57.000 Yeah, I had it really bad.

01:43:59.000 But I didn't do it after the Hendrix fight, but I started reading about it then.

01:44:02.000 And then when I fought Lawler, I missed weight.

01:44:04.000 I think I was like half a pound or something.

01:44:05.000 That was the only time I've ever missed weight in my life.

01:44:07.000 I did everything exactly like I had done a hundred times before.

01:44:10.000 Me and my coach Tom Berry at Westside Barbell, we had everything planned out.

01:44:15.000 We had a notebook of, you know, this is what we eat this day, this day, this day, and this day, and this moment.

01:44:20.000 Everything's playing out.

01:44:20.000 We did everything exactly the same.

01:44:23.000 Ended up, you know, still missing weight.

01:44:25.000 And that was when I realized my metabolism had changed.

01:44:30.000 So I started looking more and more into different types of diets.

01:44:34.000 So I've always been my own guinea pig.

01:44:36.000 That's sort of a blessing and a curse for my...

01:44:39.000 That's why, you know, I want to be a coach because I've...

01:44:43.000 I think I'll make a 10 times better coach than I was a fighter because I've experimented on myself.

01:44:48.000 That's why I have all these books and everything.

01:44:50.000 And the problem with that, right, is that you get a bad info too or you misinterpret it, misunderstand it, and maybe it's for regular people and I'm a high-level athlete, etc., etc.

01:45:00.000 So anyway...

01:45:01.000 I used it, for one, for the concussion, and two, for sort of a metabolic shift into more fats.

01:45:08.000 And I haven't missed weight since.

01:45:10.000 Did you feel any benefit of switching to a ketogenic diet in terms of performance?

01:45:15.000 Um...

01:45:16.000 I actually felt a lack of benefit, actually.

01:45:19.000 Some of the max capacity lowered immediately.

01:45:21.000 Some of my PRs went down over time.

01:45:24.000 Did they come back up?

01:45:24.000 Yeah, they came back up.

01:45:25.000 When did it go down?

01:45:27.000 Right away.

01:45:28.000 Within the first week or two.

01:45:31.000 It takes a few months to really truly adapt.

01:45:33.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:45:35.000 What I've done now over time is I've adapted the diet to...

01:45:41.000 I do a lot of different things now, so I'm not as ketogenic as I once was where it was all keto, keto, keto.

01:45:48.000 Now I don't even pay attention to my ketones.

01:45:49.000 Well, I take that ketone ester like we took earlier. 0.97

01:45:51.000 I take that a lot, which I fucking love. 0.97

01:45:53.000 You probably feel it right now. 1.00

01:45:55.000 Shit's amazing. 1.00

01:45:56.000 It tastes like sucking on Godzilla's dick. 1.00

01:45:59.000 It does. 1.00

01:46:00.000 Worse.

01:46:00.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:46:01.000 It's like, whoa!

01:46:03.000 Yeah, it's terrible.

01:46:05.000 Terrible.

01:46:05.000 But I use that, and then I use regular keto salt supplements.

01:46:10.000 But that one, for performance, actually brings my performance up higher than I would usually go.

01:46:16.000 Do you take that ketone ester before you train?

01:46:18.000 Yeah.

01:46:18.000 How long before you train?

01:46:20.000 So I take it with some glucose, usually about 20 minutes before a train.

01:46:24.000 And you use those glucose packets?

01:46:25.000 Yeah.

01:46:26.000 Who makes those packets?

01:46:27.000 Just whatever, at the grocery store, Power Bar, or whatever.

01:46:30.000 You know, it doesn't matter.

01:46:32.000 It's just a matter of...

01:46:33.000 It's just a matter of...

01:46:33.000 Yeah, you just have to make sure you have some sugar because of the hypoglucemic effects.

01:46:37.000 It'll drop your blood sugar really bad.

01:46:38.000 Because it's so potent.

01:46:39.000 It's very, very potent.

01:46:40.000 Like, our ketones are probably in the three...

01:46:43.000 Like, I actually have my blood meter, maybe we'll check, but I'm probably in the three to five millimole range right now.

01:46:51.000 I do that, but now I've adjusted it where I'm not as concerned with staying in ketosis because the main concern with that is I want to get the benefits for the brain and the TBI and things like that.

01:47:03.000 Now, when I get closer to a fight, it's more about performance.

01:47:07.000 I use a UCAN starch.

01:47:10.000 I use sweet potatoes.

01:47:13.000 Certain starches that don't really affect your ketone levels quite as much.

01:47:19.000 So that can bring my performance up a lot better.

01:47:23.000 Well, I think there's a real issue with high-level athletes with the amount of work output that you put in that you probably need more carbohydrates than the regular person that's on a ketogenic diet.

01:47:31.000 I've been, again, I'm my own guinea pig, right?

01:47:36.000 And I experiment with that.

01:47:38.000 And I've been kind of torn with that, right?

01:47:41.000 So one of the things that a lot of people kind of promulgate is that our sport is very anaerobic, and it's really not.

01:47:49.000 It's a lot more aerobic, and your aerobic capacity will go up on keto.

01:47:54.000 My ability to recover, specifically, even with no carbs, my blood glucose could be in the 70s and 80s.

01:48:01.000 Not have carbs for weeks at a time and my ability to recover goes up tremendously like we're talking about tendonitis my tendonitis goes away my injuries my joints just feel better I feel better all the way around my brain feels better and a lot of things like that but the But when you do need to kick in that mass capacity, anaerobic part of things, that's where things suffer.

01:48:27.000 And that's where you have to add in the carbs. 1.00

01:48:30.000 But again, the amount of training that I do, I can add in a lot of carbs and I can still get away with it.

01:48:36.000 And I can even stay in ketosis if I want to.

01:48:39.000 But I think a lot of people make the mistake that I made originally, again, as my own guinea pig, and I really focused on the blood ketone levels.

01:48:48.000 Rather than the performance.

01:48:50.000 And I wanted to be able to perform with high ketogenic levels, high ketone levels in my blood.

01:48:58.000 And it's not really necessary, right?

01:49:00.000 It should be solely performance-based.

01:49:02.000 But it did help me cut weight, though.

01:49:04.000 I thought it was fascinating what Ben Greenfield was saying, we were talking about it before the podcast, about how he would carb up and then take ketone supplements.

01:49:11.000 So he had the benefit of having a lot of carbohydrates in his system, but also having a lot of ketones in his system. 0.99

01:49:17.000 And he said he felt like a fucking animal. 0.98

01:49:19.000 Yeah, and that's pretty similar to probably how we feel right now. 0.99

01:49:23.000 And that's totally legal.

01:49:24.000 Totally, yeah.

01:49:25.000 Yeah, I mean, that's not...

01:49:26.000 And I'll tell you, when I take it, it does amazing things for me.

01:49:32.000 Man, I've...

01:49:33.000 So I've heard stories of people when they take this Esther that they'll pull out moves like they haven't done in 10 years.

01:49:38.000 Like they recall these moves.

01:49:41.000 I've done things where when I do it, I feel like I'm 5, 6 years younger.

01:49:46.000 I mean, it's done some fascinating things for me.

01:49:48.000 Just taking that drink that we drank.

01:49:49.000 Just taking the Esther with some... 0.77

01:49:55.000 Getting out of the trash.

01:49:56.000 Pulling it out here.

01:49:57.000 Yeah, ketone aid.

01:49:58.000 Yeah, ketone aid, ketone aster.

01:50:00.000 Yeah, and...

01:50:01.000 Looks like you're a scientist like this. 1.00

01:50:03.000 Breaking bad type shit. 1.00

01:50:05.000 KE4. The thing with it is it's extremely expensive and they're working on getting the... 0.97

01:50:10.000 It's like burnt rubber.

01:50:12.000 They're working on getting the cost down, I think.

01:50:15.000 How much are these things?

01:50:17.000 I'm not sure, but I think it's like $30 a gram, and that's like 40 grams, I think.

01:50:22.000 That's incredible.

01:50:23.000 I could be off on that.

01:50:24.000 I'm not sure.

01:50:25.000 That's quite pricey.

01:50:26.000 I heard that the UK cycling team used it.

01:50:31.000 They paid like $6,000 for however much, just a small amount, and they used it when they won the Tour de France, actually.

01:50:40.000 Wow.

01:50:40.000 That's what I heard.

01:50:41.000 I don't know how true it is, but I believe it. 1.00

01:50:44.000 I mean, this shit does amazing things for you, but... 0.99

01:50:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:50:48.000 So the keto, I mean, again, it can be used, if used properly, I think it can do a lot of benefits.

01:50:53.000 I would recommend to all combat athletes, NFL players over, you know, that have taken concussions, taken hits to the brain, or that are over a certain age where your metabolism changes.

01:51:07.000 I mean, that's where my biggest benefit was.

01:51:09.000 And even TJ was talking about it.

01:51:11.000 TJ Dillashaw was talking with him about it.

01:51:12.000 His coach had him switch over because he was burning primarily carbohydrates.

01:51:16.000 Especially now, TJ's going to try to make 125. Yeah.

01:51:20.000 And I don't know if...

01:51:21.000 He was talking to me about long before that was ever talked about.

01:51:26.000 But he did some tests on him and found that he's burning all carbohydrate all the time, which can be an issue in long training sessions specifically.

01:51:34.000 So he switched it up a bit.

01:51:36.000 Yeah, and I don't think he's going full keto, but I think he's doing something similar to what I'm doing where he's doing keto with some carbohydrates still.

01:51:45.000 So basically, the only carbohydrates that we need as an athlete is for the workout, right?

01:51:49.000 We don't need them after that.

01:51:51.000 Maybe for recovery, which is, again, I think it's debatable, but carbohydrate is not a necessary substance to even live.

01:52:00.000 You could live your entire life without eating a carbohydrate and Yeah, there's a lot of guys that are doing this carnivore diet now.

01:52:08.000 I've heard of this.

01:52:08.000 Yeah, Mark Bell told me he's never felt better.

01:52:11.000 He's doing that shit now. 1.00

01:52:13.000 He's eating nothing but steak. 1.00

01:52:16.000 He eats steak all day.

01:52:18.000 No sausage or bacon?

01:52:19.000 Well, he eats bacon too, but it's mostly meat.

01:52:21.000 He's eating mostly meat.

01:52:23.000 Mostly meat?

01:52:24.000 So no vegetables?

01:52:25.000 A little bit every now and then, but most of what he's eating is just meat.

01:52:27.000 See, I feel completely different when I load up my vegetables.

01:52:32.000 Even a day or two.

01:52:34.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:52:34.000 Do you feel this?

01:52:35.000 I feel better.

01:52:36.000 Yeah.

01:52:37.000 I'm a big fan of everything.

01:52:38.000 I just love drinking it, too.

01:52:40.000 You know, I love getting, like, real rich, green, leafy vegetable juice. 0.97

01:52:45.000 And I drink a lot of kale shakes, where I'll take a goddamn bushel of kale that you're never going to sit down and eat. 0.98

01:52:51.000 You're never going to eat that much kale. 0.99

01:52:53.000 I'll blend that motherfucker up with a giant chunk of ginger and garlic. 1.00

01:52:57.000 I'll throw an apple in there and a bunch of coconut oil. 1.00

01:53:00.000 And I'll fucking... 0.98

01:53:04.000 Throw some celery in there and I'll drink it and it's... 0.99

01:53:06.000 I think I've seen that on YouTube.

01:53:08.000 You put like a pear in there too, right?

01:53:09.000 Yeah, maybe a pear, maybe an apple.

01:53:11.000 I'll mix it up.

01:53:12.000 Sometimes I put peaches or pineapple in there too.

01:53:14.000 You put the whole thing in with the seeds and everything? 1.00

01:53:16.000 Yeah, let's fucking throw that bitch in there and grind it up. 1.00

01:53:19.000 It's all performance. 1.00

01:53:21.000 It doesn't taste good. 1.00

01:53:22.000 It tastes like shit. 1.00

01:53:25.000 I've had people try to drink it, and they're like, oh, I can't! 1.00

01:53:29.000 Dude, I gotta try this. 1.00

01:53:30.000 But, dude, I drink it, and I feel like a fucking gorilla. 0.99

01:53:32.000 How much garlic you put in it? 0.99

01:53:33.000 A lot.

01:53:34.000 Like four or five cloves.

01:53:35.000 That's...

01:53:36.000 It's rough.

01:53:37.000 I just eat cloves now.

01:53:38.000 Yeah, I do that, too.

01:53:39.000 I eat a lot of cloves.

01:53:40.000 Yeah, where it burns when it's going down.

01:53:42.000 Like, yikes!

01:53:42.000 But you can feel it, right?

01:53:44.000 Within, like, an hour or two. 0.98

01:53:45.000 You're like, damn, there's something in there, man. 0.95

01:53:46.000 Especially if I'm feeling anything... 0.98

01:53:48.000 Like, I'm feeling a little sick.

01:53:50.000 I'm feeling a little funky.

01:53:51.000 Like I'm kind of feeling a little worn down.

01:53:53.000 Maybe it's going around.

01:53:53.000 I'll just chomp on some garlic.

01:53:55.000 You ever try chaga root?

01:53:56.000 No.

01:53:57.000 I do this.

01:53:58.000 I did it.

01:53:58.000 Well, I've only actually done it one time when I was sick.

01:54:01.000 My whole family got sick.

01:54:02.000 Kids.

01:54:02.000 You've been there, right?

01:54:03.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:54:04.000 Kids are miserable.

01:54:06.000 All of us are laying down like we're laying around like we're in the hospital.

01:54:09.000 You know, every couple seconds you hear a cough and we're just laying there miserable.

01:54:13.000 And I was the only one that did the chaga root.

01:54:16.000 I put it in a crock pot, put, you know, 10 little chunks in there and I was the only one that didn't get sick, or didn't stay sick very long.

01:54:23.000 I stayed sick for like a day or two.

01:54:26.000 Chagaroo! 0.92

01:54:26.000 And what's supposed to be the benefit of this stuff? 0.92

01:54:28.000 Man, I don't want to butcher this.

01:54:31.000 Google it.

01:54:33.000 I mean, it's an immune system enhancer.

01:54:37.000 I heard it from my friend who's a survivalist specialist expert, and he teaches these classes where you go out and live off the land and things like that, right?

01:54:48.000 You know, he gets it from, like, Maine or Canada, and it's like his fungus that grows on trees, and it's really, really hard, and they chop it off, and then you grind it up, put it in a tea or something, and supposedly, you know, it's really good for your immune system.

01:55:02.000 How does it make you feel?

01:55:03.000 I don't feel anything.

01:55:04.000 I didn't feel any difference at all. 0.96

01:55:05.000 I mean, I'm sitting there drinking it like this is some bullshit, but I'm drinking it anyway. 0.96

01:55:08.000 You know, I'll try it, you know. 0.99

01:55:10.000 My guy told me, so...

01:55:14.000 Obviously that's very anecdotal and it was like one instance and I just got sick a couple weeks ago and I completely forgot about it and I was sick for like two weeks.

01:55:24.000 You had a pretty significant back injury at one point, right?

01:55:27.000 A herniated disc, yeah.

01:55:28.000 Yeah.

01:55:28.000 How did you fix that?

01:55:31.000 I guess it's never really fixed, fixed, right?

01:55:34.000 I got an epidural steroid injection first because I wanted to make the fight.

01:55:38.000 It's when I was supposed to fight Conor the first time.

01:55:40.000 It was like two weeks out of the fight.

01:55:41.000 And does it, what is the epidural steroid?

01:55:44.000 Does it relax the area and loosen the inflammation?

01:55:47.000 It's a corticosteroid.

01:55:48.000 Right.

01:55:49.000 Yeah, so it gets rid of the inflammation.

01:55:51.000 It took mine, we did it on a Friday.

01:55:54.000 This was like two weeks out of the fight.

01:55:57.000 So what had happened is about four weeks out of the fight is when I originally heard it. 0.98

01:56:02.000 And I'm like, I'm going to fucking suck it up and do it. 0.90

01:56:04.000 I think you said you heard any of this, so you know what it feels like, right? 1.00

01:56:07.000 I'm going to suck this shit up and I'm going to get through it. 0.99

01:56:10.000 You know, I couldn't do anything. 1.00

01:56:11.000 I could barely even hit pads, right?

01:56:14.000 Well, I eventually ended up, you know, going to a...

01:56:17.000 Well, actually, so this is part of my problem with chiropractors, right? 0.74

01:56:20.000 So I went to a chiropractor first, and he's like, oh, yeah, you know, crack it, and it's all good, you know, and all this kind of garbage.

01:56:28.000 Anyway, I ended up seeing a pain specialist, and he knew what it was within 30 seconds.

01:56:33.000 Yeah.

01:56:34.000 Anyway, so I got the epidural steroid, and it didn't work right away, so I had to get a second one later.

01:56:42.000 That kind of just masks the issue, right?

01:56:44.000 Does it mask the issue?

01:56:46.000 Yeah, I think it's...

01:56:47.000 Reduces some of the inflammation, so some of the problems of it.

01:56:49.000 Yeah, so that's...

01:56:50.000 I mean, he told me that.

01:56:52.000 He said, you know, look, we're going to get you to the fight.

01:56:54.000 This is the best way to get you to the fight.

01:56:57.000 But it didn't work well enough the first time, so I ended up getting a second one, and it worked very well the second time.

01:57:02.000 But then, of course, as you know, having a hernia disc, it just took years to correct it.

01:57:10.000 I mean, I work on it all the time now.

01:57:12.000 If I don't keep on it, then I will feel the issues.

01:57:20.000 Right.

01:57:20.000 Yeah, especially in jiu-jitsu.

01:57:22.000 Right.

01:57:23.000 That's the worst.

01:57:23.000 Is it your lower back?

01:57:24.000 Yeah.

01:57:25.000 Yeah, it's L5, I think.

01:57:27.000 Did you use Louie Simmons' reverse hyper?

01:57:29.000 Did you use that machine?

01:57:30.000 Did that help?

01:57:31.000 Of course, yeah.

01:57:31.000 Yeah, of course.

01:57:31.000 I do tons of the reverse hyper all the time.

01:57:35.000 I mean, I have a whole routine that I do pretty much after pretty much every workout.

01:57:40.000 Just to strengthen your back?

01:57:41.000 Yep.

01:57:41.000 For back and hips, a lot of my personal problem was my hip mobility.

01:57:48.000 Mm-hmm.

01:57:49.000 So I do the hips, abs, obliques. 0.98

01:57:54.000 My psoas gets real tight, so I have to lay on a fucking kettlebell and do that thing. 0.95

01:58:00.000 My hip flexors. 0.95

01:58:05.000 I started working with a strength and conditioning coach now.

01:58:09.000 He works wonders for me. 0.99

01:58:12.000 Now, you have your own line of shit, and you sent us a bunch of stuff. 0.99

01:58:15.000 You sent us some fucking cool hammers, and you got wheelbarrows and a bunch of different things. 0.99

01:58:20.000 What was your thought process behind... 0.95

01:58:22.000 What's the name of the company?

01:58:24.000 Immortal Combat Equipment Ice.

01:58:26.000 And is it online?

01:58:28.000 ImmortalCombatEquipment.com?

01:58:28.000 Yeah, so I have my website, ImmortalCombatEquipment.co, and then it's on Westside Barbell.

01:58:34.000 We sell on there, distribute through them, and EliteFTS.com.

01:58:38.000 And basically, the way that whole started was...

01:58:40.000 There we go.

01:58:41.000 Oh, there we go.

01:58:41.000 Nice.

01:58:42.000 Yeah, the way that whole thing started was with the wheelbarrows.

01:58:47.000 Louie had a wheelbarrow that we was using all the time.

01:58:50.000 He's used for probably 20 years.

01:58:52.000 And I was like, man...

01:58:57.000 You know, I could build. 0.99

01:58:58.000 That thing's a piece of junk. 0.96

01:58:59.000 It's been around here like 20 years. 0.99

01:59:00.000 It's falling apart.

01:59:01.000 And I said, you know, let me build one.

01:59:03.000 And we built one.

01:59:05.000 One person asked me to build one for him.

01:59:07.000 I said, okay, cool.

01:59:07.000 And then another person asked me to build one for him.

01:59:09.000 And then I said, man, I should just start making these.

01:59:12.000 And I'd had the ideas for the...

01:59:14.000 So I talked to an engineer, and we just started manufacturing them.

01:59:19.000 It's sort of like a side project thing for me, something I want to get into post-fight career.

01:59:26.000 There's a few things I want to do.

01:59:27.000 For one, strength conditioning coaching, martial arts coaching, do some stuff with Muscle Farm, and I want to be able to sell my equipment.

01:59:37.000 The hammers, I thought of for a long time.

01:59:39.000 I know you guys do the mesas.

01:59:40.000 These are different.

01:59:41.000 They're different than the Mesa's.

01:59:42.000 They're actually a sledgehammer. 0.98

01:59:44.000 I'm sure if you swing a sledgehammer, it just doesn't make sense that you go to Home Depot and you buy a shit-ass 16-pound, 20-pound sledgehammer. 0.98

01:59:52.000 Our start at 15 pounds. 0.98

01:59:53.000 I'll probably make a 10-pound at some point, maybe an 8 or a 7 or something.

01:59:58.000 Usually they're square.

02:00:01.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:00:02.000 So we just made it specifically for swinging.

02:00:05.000 For training.

02:00:06.000 For training.

02:00:07.000 Yeah, good fat handle. 0.87

02:00:08.000 And you see also, it has a ball in the end in case it slips out, so it keeps it in your hand.

02:00:13.000 And it never made sense to me that I would see a 200-pound man and a 125-pound woman both swinging the same sledgehammer.

02:00:19.000 Especially these 200-pound men, like me.

02:00:22.000 I swing the 30, 35-pound sledgehammer, which you've got to try.

02:00:25.000 It's just insanely hard, but you have to have the right technique and everything.

02:00:30.000 But, you know, I swing that for my workout.

02:00:33.000 And for different, I mean, it's different things depending on...

02:00:37.000 Are you going to expand your line?

02:00:38.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:00:39.000 Because you've got just the, right now, you've got the sledgehammers and the wheelbarrow.

02:00:43.000 Sledgehammers and the grip balls.

02:00:44.000 Now, the grip balls, do they, what do you put them on, like a carabiner or something like that?

02:00:48.000 And do chin-ups with it?

02:00:49.000 Yeah, connect it to anything.

02:00:50.000 Actually, if you see on that video, we connect it to the wheelbarrow and carry the wheelbarrow with them.

02:00:55.000 I love doing that.

02:00:56.000 Tons of things.

02:00:57.000 I mean, there's just tons of options.

02:00:59.000 That one, My kids thought they were little baby kettlebells. 0.99

02:01:03.000 They were doing kettlebell swings and shit. 0.99

02:01:04.000 It was pretty fun. 0.99

02:01:05.000 Nice, nice, nice.

02:01:06.000 I have some badass ideas, man.

02:01:08.000 We're gonna build some really, really cool stuff.

02:01:13.000 I guess I could just say I don't really care.

02:01:16.000 You used a belt squat before, right?

02:01:19.000 I'm working on prototyping one right now.

02:01:20.000 I have actually about 10 prototypes.

02:01:22.000 I just haven't had the time and energy to focus.

02:01:24.000 I kind of almost don't want it to grow too fast because I'm still fighting.

02:01:29.000 It's something I want to work on after fighting.

02:01:32.000 Basically, we do a belt squat that you can walk with.

02:01:34.000 It's just going to have wheels and you just walk around anywhere with it.

02:01:38.000 You could sort of...

02:01:40.000 You know, even like, you know, clinch with someone or whatever.

02:01:42.000 Which, I mean, you can do tons of things like that with the Westside belt squat they already have, and there is other belt squats that can do similar things, but...

02:01:49.000 Yeah, the Westside one, they were telling me you could hit pads with it.

02:01:51.000 For sure.

02:01:52.000 You could have somebody on the platform.

02:01:53.000 Which I do.

02:01:53.000 You do that?

02:01:54.000 Yeah.

02:01:54.000 Yep, which I do.

02:01:55.000 I love that thing.

02:01:56.000 Just the way it loads up your hips like that, and it seems...

02:01:58.000 And one of the things that I think you'd probably really like, we're going to build...

02:02:04.000 And they have one at Westside.

02:02:05.000 You may have seen it when you went there, the forced treadmill.

02:02:07.000 Yes.

02:02:08.000 The one at Westside, I mean, it's just a basic treadmill.

02:02:11.000 If you buy one off like Woodway or whatever, they're like $3,000, $4,000, I think even like $5,000 or $6,000.

02:02:17.000 I'm going to build one you can sell for like $500, $600.

02:02:21.000 You just put it in your garage, whatever.

02:02:23.000 You don't need to buy a $5,000 woodweight treadmill.

02:02:27.000 Right.

02:02:27.000 Why did you decide to start out with hammers and wheelbarrows?

02:02:30.000 Well, the hammers I wanted for myself.

02:02:33.000 Is that something you use all the time?

02:02:34.000 Absolutely.

02:02:35.000 It's probably my favorite exercise.

02:02:38.000 Every exercise is a tool, right?

02:02:40.000 You don't use a socket wrench on a screw.

02:02:44.000 There's a million different exercises that we do for MMA. Everybody asks me, what do you do?

02:02:49.000 You name it, I'll probably do it.

02:02:52.000 Hammers are probably my favorite thing, though.

02:02:55.000 If I just had to pick one thing and say, this is what you need to do.

02:03:00.000 I mean, the dynamic strength it builds is insane.

02:03:02.000 The explosiveness, the core strength, the shoulder strength, the grip strength.

02:03:06.000 When did you start doing this?

02:03:07.000 Four or five years ago.

02:03:09.000 Because I remember, you know, back in the day, George Foreman used to chop wood.

02:03:12.000 I remember thinking, like, why are they chopping?

02:03:14.000 Marciano?

02:03:14.000 Yeah, I was like, why are they chopping wood?

02:03:16.000 Marciano was legendary for doing it.

02:03:18.000 Yeah.

02:03:18.000 Or not legendary.

02:03:19.000 He was legendary for other things.

02:03:20.000 Right.

02:03:20.000 He did a lot.

02:03:21.000 Yeah.

02:03:22.000 Yeah, so we actually built a 45 and a 50-pound hammer too, which became a really good door stopper.

02:03:30.000 Too heavy?

02:03:31.000 Yeah, so we maxed out, we stopped at 35, but if anybody ever would want one, we can still build it.

02:03:35.000 Get one of those with Francis.

02:03:37.000 I know, right?

02:03:39.000 That's a great idea.

02:03:40.000 I'd like to see him do it, yeah.

02:03:42.000 I mean, if you just think about the way the hammer swings and everything, I mean, There's a lot of different ways you can do it.

02:03:50.000 There's a lot of different exercises you can do with them.

02:03:53.000 I think the most amazing tool there is for MMA athletes.

02:03:56.000 I've never used one.

02:03:57.000 Really?

02:03:58.000 Like a Home Depot sledgehammer?

02:04:00.000 Nope.

02:04:01.000 Never swung them.

02:04:02.000 It'll build your endurance up right away.

02:04:05.000 One thing that I love about the endurance part of it is you'll sit there and swing it.

02:04:11.000 And, like, your body's gonna...

02:04:13.000 Like, when your body gets so tired, as long as you have decent techniques, your body will get so tired, you can still keep going, though.

02:04:19.000 Like, because it's a lot of momentum, you know what I mean?

02:04:21.000 But you can keep going with the momentum.

02:04:23.000 Right.

02:04:24.000 Yeah.

02:04:24.000 No matter how tired you are.

02:04:26.000 Now, you sent me some, so I'll start doing it here.

02:04:28.000 What size tire should I get?

02:04:31.000 A tractor tire?

02:04:32.000 Yeah.

02:04:32.000 What do you get?

02:04:33.000 Yeah, just a tractor tire.

02:04:34.000 Where do you get one of those?

02:04:35.000 Um, I know I just go to the, uh, you could use a regular tire, whatever.

02:04:39.000 Like I go to like the, uh, you can get it for free.

02:04:42.000 Usually they'll give them to you cause they just burn them. 0.96

02:04:44.000 Oh, okay.

02:04:45.000 You know, so they have to like dispose of like a tire shop, tire shop.

02:04:48.000 Yeah.

02:04:48.000 Junk tire shop.

02:04:49.000 Yeah.

02:04:49.000 I'll go to a tire shop.

02:04:51.000 Give me a big ass tire, bitch. 1.00

02:04:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:04:52.000 That's what I do. 1.00

02:04:53.000 I mean, sometimes like they, they might give you like a regular, um, uh, tire also, you know, and you just like bolt it together, you know, drill a hole and bolt two of them together and you got it.

02:05:03.000 Right.

02:05:04.000 You can do that way too, but the, Is that what you do?

02:05:05.000 You stack them?

02:05:08.000 I've had to do that before where the tire shop didn't have a big tractor tire and I just get sick of looking for one.

02:05:14.000 Sometimes they're hard to find.

02:05:15.000 Farmers will have them.

02:05:16.000 I don't know about California.

02:05:17.000 They could be completely different out here.

02:05:20.000 You can buy off Rogue or whatever.

02:05:22.000 They have things that you hit with the hammers.

02:05:24.000 Oh, really?

02:05:25.000 Rogue has things other than a tire?

02:05:27.000 Yeah, they have an actual...

02:05:28.000 So if you've ever seen the CrossFit games, they do the game, I don't know, game, whatever it is, CrossFit competition thing.

02:05:37.000 It's like a big piece of rubber, and they have to move it from one side to the other, like 10 yards or something.

02:05:42.000 They have to hit it with a hammer.

02:05:44.000 Oh, okay.

02:05:44.000 Yeah, but they're hammers, so Rogue makes a hammer.

02:05:47.000 Oh, there it is.

02:05:48.000 So it's like a big hunk of rubber.

02:05:49.000 Yeah, yeah, those are great.

02:05:51.000 Oh, okay.

02:05:51.000 So Rogue makes a hammer, right, that's adjustable weight, too.

02:05:55.000 But there's, you unbolt it and pour BBs into it.

02:05:58.000 Oh. 0.88

02:05:58.000 That's ridiculous, right? 0.88

02:06:01.000 Like, who's actually going to do that? 1.00

02:06:02.000 And they have fucking BBs everywhere, all this kind of shit. 0.99

02:06:05.000 So that's why, you know, I was like... 1.00

02:06:07.000 You know, I go to Westside. 0.98

02:06:08.000 I have a fucking Dave Hoff is there. 0.99

02:06:11.000 300, you know, the strongest man in history. 0.99

02:06:13.000 I'm like, if he's going to swing a hammer, it's not going to be a fucking 16-pound hammer. 0.97

02:06:17.000 He'll do that with his, you know, one-handed. 0.98

02:06:19.000 Right.

02:06:20.000 So, you know, so I wanted to build something anybody could use.

02:06:22.000 And then the wheelbarrow, you know, we had to put where it can hold...

02:06:27.000 I've had over a thousand pounds on it at Westside.

02:06:29.000 Jesus!

02:06:30.000 You know, I can't lift a thousand pounds on it, but we put over a thousand pounds on it.

02:06:34.000 We have different handles, so that's what I changed.

02:06:35.000 So, Louie's was just one handle, right?

02:06:38.000 So, we have D handles, right?

02:06:39.000 So, you can grip it like this, do like a clean press, things like that.

02:06:42.000 We have like a turn, it's like a prowler, you know, so it's got handles coming up, things like that.

02:06:47.000 And you just do laps with it?

02:06:49.000 You do laps.

02:06:50.000 I mean, like I say, you can use a prowler.

02:06:52.000 You can do cleans, overhead presses.

02:06:54.000 I mean, there's a million different things you can do with it.

02:06:56.000 So when you're slamming, when you're doing a hammer workout and you're slamming a tire, where are you feeling it most?

02:07:02.000 Your back?

02:07:02.000 Your legs?

02:07:04.000 Everywhere?

02:07:05.000 Yeah, usually not the legs so much.

02:07:09.000 That's more, you just kind of stabilize them with your legs.

02:07:12.000 But a lot of times, it depends on your weakness too, right?

02:07:14.000 Some people feel it more in their shoulders.

02:07:16.000 I usually feel it more in my grip.

02:07:19.000 But there's a few different ways you can do it too.

02:07:21.000 So if I want to feel it more in my grip, I'll do a slam where I try to stop it.

02:07:26.000 Oh, okay.

02:07:27.000 At the very end?

02:07:28.000 At the very end, as soon as it hits, because the tire's going to bounce it back, and I'll try to stop it.

02:07:33.000 But a lot of times I feel it more in the core, right?

02:07:35.000 And sometimes I do, like, you know, over the head, like this, boom, you know, and bring it down that way, and feel it way more in the core.

02:07:41.000 Do you ever try to swing it sideways?

02:07:42.000 Yeah, I'm not quite as fond on that.

02:07:45.000 I just, it gets a little dangerous, and I think you kind of, which I personally, I would do it, like, I wouldn't recommend other people do it unless they've been swinging hammers for a while. 0.86

02:07:54.000 I remember, I've just seen people do stupid things. 0.99

02:07:59.000 Now what other kind of shit do you do for strength and conditioning? 1.00

02:08:02.000 You name it. 0.99

02:08:03.000 That's what I was gonna say, you know.

02:08:04.000 I mean we follow the West Side conjugate system, so it's really, you know, things change all the time.

02:08:10.000 I mean, you know, it depends on if it's general, specific.

02:08:13.000 So I always add in a third one.

02:08:16.000 There's, you know, there's GPP, general physical preparation.

02:08:18.000 There's SPP, which is specific physical preparation.

02:08:21.000 And then I add in personally my own, which is RSPP, which is what I call like the hammers.

02:08:26.000 Like the wheelbarrow would be more, I call it the war wagon, is more general, right?

02:08:32.000 So it's just going to build general strength.

02:08:33.000 It's going to bring your endurance up, your max capacity up, things like that.

02:08:38.000 Getting on the mats and doing 20 double legs, that's SPP, very specific, right?

02:08:44.000 Something like a hammer or maybe a lot of band-type stuff, like maybe shooting double legs with a band on it or something, I call that RSPP, which is replicated specific physical preparation.

02:08:57.000 I could break down all three of these and just go on forever.

02:09:01.000 When you're in the GPP, you're going to build up your max capacity.

02:09:05.000 You're going to build up your strength.

02:09:06.000 You want to build up your bone density, your ligament strength, your tendon strength.

02:09:10.000 Of course, like any weaknesses, I'm big on the neck, back, and posterior chain.

02:09:15.000 They say the front's for show, the back's for go.

02:09:18.000 Have you ever used an iron neck?

02:09:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:09:21.000 Yep.

02:09:21.000 We use it all the time.

02:09:22.000 I love that.

02:09:22.000 Yeah, I love that thing.

02:09:23.000 Isn't that thing amazing?

02:09:24.000 What a genius invention.

02:09:26.000 I know, right?

02:09:26.000 I think it's really uncomfortable, but...

02:09:28.000 Yeah, I got one of those out here.

02:09:29.000 Yeah, I love it.

02:09:30.000 I like it.

02:09:31.000 I got one at home, too.

02:09:33.000 To be honest, I think clinching does more than anything else, man, for neck strength.

02:09:38.000 Like, my neck just gets more sore doing that than anything else.

02:09:41.000 Oh, sure.

02:09:42.000 Yeah.

02:09:42.000 Yeah, so that's...

02:09:43.000 Using...

02:09:46.000 My friends at Westside, they do a lot where they'll put a band on the war wagon and then carry it at the same time.

02:09:53.000 Oh, wow.

02:09:53.000 So it's pulling the neck while you're...

02:09:55.000 Oh, like that.

02:09:55.000 And you have to walk, so it's like a very dynamic workout at the same time.

02:09:59.000 So your grip's giving out, your traps start giving out.

02:10:02.000 What kind of harness are they putting on their head?

02:10:03.000 Just like the leather boxer type thing.

02:10:07.000 Right, right.

02:10:08.000 Just with a chain and a band.

02:10:11.000 So you're having to hold this while you're walking.

02:10:13.000 It makes it much more dynamic.

02:10:15.000 Ooh, I like that. 0.99

02:10:16.000 They come up with some crazy shit there. 1.00

02:10:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:10:18.000 If you go to the Iron Neck Instagram page, they do a lot of crazy shit with the Iron Neck on. 0.99

02:10:23.000 Like a lot of medicine ball shit, a lot of slams while you're pulled back, so you're on full... 0.99

02:10:29.000 Full resistance with the band. 0.99

02:10:31.000 You're moving your head, you're rotating, slamming the ball, the right and the left.

02:10:35.000 I'll have to check that out.

02:10:36.000 I've never checked out their Instagram.

02:10:38.000 But I try to stay off Instagram, personally.

02:10:40.000 Why do you do that?

02:10:42.000 Man, for one, Instagram, to me, is the most mindless thing in the world.

02:10:45.000 Just looking at pictures.

02:10:47.000 It's just pictures, man.

02:10:49.000 And half the time, you don't even read the...

02:10:55.000 The captions, yeah. 0.83

02:10:56.000 So to me, it's really, social media is, first off, is pretty dumbed down. 0.99

02:11:02.000 Like, read a fucking book, right? 0.99

02:11:03.000 And then now you have something that's not even, you know, not even writing. 0.99

02:11:07.000 Like, it's just pictures.

02:11:08.000 Like, you know, like the people that are like, oh, does the book have any pictures?

02:11:12.000 Well, I'm not going to read it or something, you know?

02:11:14.000 So to me, and I also, I'm a big believer that what goes in your brain, in your mind, what you let in needs to be very controlled.

02:11:25.000 You need to be very specific and careful about what you let in.

02:11:29.000 And you never know what you're going to come across on there.

02:11:32.000 So it could be something toxic that could be bad.

02:11:35.000 Right, especially if you're reading comments, right?

02:11:38.000 Absolutely.

02:11:38.000 Yeah, it gets way worse.

02:11:41.000 I'm on there a lot, but I like to...

02:11:45.000 I remember back in the day when I was coming up and...

02:11:49.000 You know, I would dream of talking to a UFC fighter, right?

02:11:54.000 So I use it to interact with my fans, right?

02:11:56.000 Because I want to give some kids that experience.

02:11:59.000 I think it's a very powerful tool for that.

02:12:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:12:03.000 That's a powerful thing for a young guy coming up, you know, to be able to talk to Matt Brown.

02:12:08.000 And you actually respond to him and say, good luck. 1.00

02:12:10.000 You're like, holy shit. 1.00

02:12:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:12:11.000 I mean, I probably do it maybe even more than I should. 1.00

02:12:15.000 Like, I mean, I... I answer complete questions sometimes.

02:12:18.000 People ask me the wildest questions, and I'll give them complete responses.

02:12:24.000 And I find that 90% of the time, they're like, oh, cool, man, glad you responded.

02:12:28.000 And then they forget about it, most likely, right?

02:12:31.000 But if I can touch just a few people, man, that's really what the whole thing's about.

02:12:37.000 Do you have a YouTube channel?

02:12:38.000 No, but I probably will.

02:12:39.000 That's maybe a good move for you because you've got so much information in your head.

02:12:43.000 Like, just talking to you before the podcast, you're rattling off these different training modalities and different recovery methods and techniques and shit like that.

02:12:50.000 I was like, Matt Brown's got a lot of information in his head. 0.63

02:12:53.000 Yeah, I'm not dumb. 0.64

02:12:54.000 I might be a savage, but I mean...

02:12:56.000 It's funny how people think those things are mutually exclusive.

02:13:00.000 Absolutely, yeah. 1.00

02:13:01.000 You know, like, if you're a savage, you gotta be stupid. 1.00

02:13:03.000 Absolutely. 1.00

02:13:04.000 And my thing is...

02:13:07.000 My savageness, I approach all things with that savage intent, right?

02:13:11.000 So when I... Like, if I'm into a book, like I'm reading a badass book right now, and...

02:13:18.000 What is it?

02:13:19.000 Anti-fragile.

02:13:20.000 What is that?

02:13:22.000 I'm trying to remember the name of the author, but it's on my Kindle, and...

02:13:26.000 So...

02:13:27.000 If you think of the...

02:13:29.000 There's no term, there's no definition of fragility, or anti-fragile.

02:13:34.000 Right.

02:13:34.000 So...

02:13:35.000 He came up with this term.

02:13:37.000 He wrote the book The Black Swan also.

02:13:40.000 Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

02:13:42.000 Oh, I've heard of that guy.

02:13:43.000 He has a very interesting way of writing.

02:13:47.000 He really digs deep into this concept of anti-fragility where it's not necessarily robustness or things like this. 0.99

02:13:59.000 God, I hate trying to re-explain because I butcher shit. 0.97

02:14:02.000 I feel like I don't give it justice. 0.98

02:14:05.000 I'm only halfway through the book, but like I said, I've really attacked it with that savage sort of mindset.

02:14:12.000 It's a very, very long book.

02:14:17.000 He makes the case that fragility is good, and it creates anti-fragility.

02:14:24.000 He makes the case that Anti-fragility is good, right?

02:14:30.000 And not necessarily...

02:14:31.000 Like I said, I feel like I'm just butchering it, man.

02:14:33.000 Just read the book. 0.99

02:14:35.000 It's a fucking good book. 0.99

02:14:36.000 But when he says about when you're saying fragility, do you mean fragility in terms of your mindset? 0.98

02:14:40.000 In terms of just...

02:14:42.000 In terms of...

02:14:42.000 So he's an economic guy.

02:14:44.000 Uh-huh.

02:14:44.000 So he's really...

02:14:45.000 I think what he's getting at...

02:14:47.000 Again, I'm only halfway through the book.

02:14:49.000 But I think really what he's getting at is more economic and political.

02:14:52.000 It's kind of his long-term thing, but he uses a lot of examples.

02:14:56.000 And basically, from what I've gathered so far, it's basically like how stress induces a stress response, which induces strength, which is the closest thing I would say to anti-fragility is strength, right?

02:15:12.000 Anti-fragility would make the world a better place, more or less.

02:15:16.000 So as a response to stress, like training, basically.

02:15:20.000 Exactly, yeah.

02:15:21.000 And I mean, he even uses that example, you know, how we tear our muscles down to build them up.

02:15:25.000 That's the entire purpose, yeah.

02:15:27.000 So that's...

02:15:29.000 Again, I'm only halfway through, man.

02:15:30.000 I don't want to butcher it. 0.99

02:15:32.000 It's a fucking great book. 0.99

02:15:33.000 But like I said, it's a long, long, very long book. 0.99

02:15:39.000 He kind of digs into all these different subjects on it, even though he could probably sum it up in about a quarter of the book.

02:15:47.000 I just attack it like that, man.

02:15:49.000 I just...

02:15:54.000 I've heard of it.

02:15:55.000 I haven't read it though.

02:15:56.000 It's probably the most difficult to read book I've ever read.

02:16:02.000 I've read it probably four or five times now.

02:16:04.000 What's so difficult about it?

02:16:06.000 It's just ultra, ultra scientific.

02:16:09.000 It's written by Melsif and Verkashansky, who's the inventor of plyometrics, or the founder of plyometrics in the Russians.

02:16:18.000 Melsif is a biomechanical engineer, and the two of them came together.

02:16:23.000 This super training is basically like the Bible of Of strength and conditioning books all together.

02:16:29.000 It's the original strength and conditioning book.

02:16:32.000 I mean, there's also like science and practice of strength training.

02:16:35.000 There's a science of sports training.

02:16:36.000 There's a lot of really good books, but super training is like just the pioneer, the premier book, right?

02:16:43.000 And it's all very, very scientific.

02:16:46.000 And a lot of the times, man, I'll have to read the same paragraph like four times, you know?

02:16:51.000 And I've read the book like four times. 0.99

02:16:53.000 And still, I'm going through the paragraph like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

02:16:56.000 What is he talking about? 1.00

02:16:57.000 This son of a bitch. 1.00

02:17:00.000 So anyway, the point is, I just attack it like that, man. 1.00

02:17:03.000 Right.

02:17:05.000 I think there's other things.

02:17:07.000 I think a lot of people, again, it's all about inspiring others, right?

02:17:11.000 And I think a lot of people could learn a lot from that.

02:17:13.000 And that's what I try to do in my fights.

02:17:15.000 I try to inspire people.

02:17:16.000 I want my kids to be that way.

02:17:19.000 I think it could bring the world up that way, man. 0.99

02:17:21.000 People find something they want and it's acting like a goddamn savage. 0.96

02:17:25.000 Well, when people see someone that does really go for it, it does inspire them to go for it, too. 0.99

02:17:30.000 They see the excitement in it, they see the response that other people have to that excitement, and it just makes them want to up their own life performance in a lot of various ways, you know, not just in fighting, but they might want to up their performance from watching you fight in whatever the fuck they're doing in life.

02:17:46.000 And that's, to me, that means more than anything else.

02:17:49.000 That's what a lot of people talk about the meaning of life.

02:17:52.000 I think I got it figured out.

02:17:54.000 I mean, I think the meaning of life is to give.

02:17:56.000 I think that's, if you look in nature, I know you're a big nature buff.

02:17:59.000 I mean, that's what everything exists in nature to do.

02:18:02.000 That's what a tree grows fruit to give more fruit, right?

02:18:06.000 This is the natural process of the world.

02:18:10.000 And humans, a human animal has become too analytical to figure that out, right?

02:18:17.000 We think the meaning of life is all these other things because we think about other things, but really our entire purpose is to give.

02:18:26.000 Hmm.

02:18:28.000 I think there's a lot of purposes in life, but I think that is one of them for sure.

02:18:32.000 I think giving is definitely...

02:18:33.000 It gives you a sense of meaning.

02:18:36.000 And when you help other people, you feel better.

02:18:39.000 You know, that's one thing that I think people are missing out on.

02:18:42.000 They think that it should be all about themselves.

02:18:43.000 And I'm just about succeeding and getting by on my own.

02:18:46.000 Well, even what you just said, you know, gives you a sense of meaning.

02:18:50.000 Yeah.

02:18:50.000 Or makes you feel better.

02:18:52.000 Yeah.

02:18:52.000 So you brought it back to yourself, right?

02:18:54.000 Right.

02:18:54.000 And that's what...

02:18:56.000 I think it's human nature and that's easy, but I try to get past that where it's not about me.

02:19:02.000 It's not about how I feel about it.

02:19:04.000 It's about just giving completely selfless.

02:19:10.000 That's a great way to look at it.

02:19:11.000 The way I describe it that way, though, is to enlighten people to this idea that I think people, not enlighten people, but just express my own perspective that I think people spend too much time thinking about what benefits them and that they don't recognize that the more you benefit other people, that is really what benefits not just those other people, but you as well.

02:19:38.000 And that they think of like helping people, like yeah, it'd be good to help people, but that's gonna fuck me up because then I'm gonna spend less time on my own self.

02:19:46.000 But it's not really the case.

02:19:48.000 You actually enhance your own experience in life by helping other people.

02:19:52.000 As we were talking about before the podcast, right?

02:19:54.000 The abundance mentality.

02:19:55.000 Yes.

02:19:56.000 And that is specifically the abundance mentality.

02:19:59.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:19:59.000 No, I'm a gigantic believer in generosity, in abundance mentality, and I'm a Fucking ferocious opponent of famine thinking. 0.95

02:20:11.000 I think that famine mentality, it fucks people up so hard. 0.93

02:20:15.000 You get closed up, you get, you know, ultra protective, you get ultra...

02:20:20.000 I just think that's a terrible way to live your life, and you're living your life with fear.

02:20:24.000 And the hard part is implementing it, right?

02:20:26.000 Mm-hmm.

02:20:27.000 Like, I can see you talk about it all day, like, I don't give enough to...

02:20:30.000 Yeah.

02:20:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:20:31.000 I don't give enough away, that's for sure. 0.92

02:20:33.000 I've thought about sometimes like I think about the crazy shit sometimes and I was like Like I think the ultimate like coolest thing in life So I have to have money like for my kids unfortunately, right? 0.76

02:20:44.000 Not unfortunate, but right necessity. 0.90

02:20:47.000 Yeah necessity like that's what the money is about I feel like if I didn't have kids I would just give literally every dime away start from bottom and see how many times because you know, so there's like certain Qualities and people that they're going to succeed no matter what, right?

02:21:03.000 And I want to see if I have those qualities, right?

02:21:05.000 So I want to give everything away.

02:21:07.000 Well, I'll fix that right now.

02:21:08.000 You definitely do. 0.85

02:21:10.000 Listen, man, you can do whatever the fuck you want in this life, but I feel like a guy like you in particular, especially right now when you're on this fighting journey and you're still on it, I think what you give the most is through the best possible performance that you give. 0.99

02:21:27.000 And when you have these wild, crazy performances like the Diego Sanchez fight, that shit inspires the fuck out of people. 0.99

02:21:34.000 I mean, how many people watched that fight and just wanted to go run mountains and just get crazy? 0.99

02:21:39.000 Man, that's cool you bring that up because I never even thought of it that way.

02:21:43.000 Again, I always bring it back to myself and I see it as an expression of my own art of myself.

02:21:48.000 You're a public performer.

02:21:50.000 You're not just an athlete, you're not just a fighter, but you're also a public performer and an inspirational figure.

02:21:56.000 And when you are doing your best, that gives a lot to people.

02:22:01.000 How many people have watched great athletic performances and it's given them the fuel and the inspiration to do great things in their own life?

02:22:09.000 Man, that's cool you say that, yeah, because, man, that might inspire me to fight a little longer, you know?

02:22:15.000 You were ready to retire after the Diego fight.

02:22:19.000 That was supposed to be your swan song.

02:22:20.000 Was it just too sweet?

02:22:22.000 No, no, no.

02:22:24.000 It had nothing to do with the performance, actually.

02:22:27.000 So I think when we started the podcast, I was kind of talking about the why and the how a little bit, right?

02:22:31.000 And this is where I think I got a little confused, was I think...

02:22:37.000 I mean, for one, I was questioning a lot of things.

02:22:39.000 I got knocked out by Cowboy viciously.

02:22:43.000 I've never been knocked out of my life.

02:22:45.000 And it wasn't too long after I just got dropped hard by Ellenberger, which was the first time my life had ever been dropped in sparring or anything.

02:22:52.000 I'd never been dropped.

02:22:55.000 So I started just kind of questioning, you know, what am I doing?

02:22:59.000 Okay, well, how?

02:22:59.000 And the first thing I went to was how do I not make that happen again?

02:23:05.000 So that gets very exhausting when you just like, how, how, how, right?

02:23:10.000 And I think through the Diego camp, because again, I announced retirement long, you know, very early in the camp, like 12 weeks out or something like that.

02:23:19.000 Through the camp, man, everything went so well.

02:23:22.000 I focused more on my own mind, and a lot of these things we're talking about, and I started getting back into the why.

02:23:29.000 And I started bringing a lot more clarity to that side of things.

02:23:33.000 Now I know why I'm doing what I'm doing.

02:23:35.000 I feel much more comfortable.

02:23:36.000 And now it doesn't matter on the performance anymore.

02:23:39.000 Now it's about truly going out there and performing the best that I can.

02:23:43.000 And then the second part of the whole thing is that...

02:23:47.000 I was very scared of retirement.

02:23:49.000 I was very nervous to be thinking, what am I going to do?

02:23:53.000 How am I going to feed my kids?

02:23:56.000 Fortunately, I realized once I announced it and then after the fight, just a plethora of opportunities.

02:24:07.000 Muscle Farm has probably been my best opportunity and that's why I bring them up a lot because they've helped me so much and I think we're going to do amazing things there whether I retire or not.

02:24:19.000 I think it's going to be a big beautiful thing.

02:24:22.000 What do you do for them specifically?

02:24:24.000 I'm kind of tasked with building the fight team and bringing the athletes and communicating with athletes and You know, just making it a solid program there.

02:24:41.000 Whether I'm the coach or not, it doesn't even matter.

02:24:43.000 But, you know, I want to make it a great program and make sure that, you know, the facility is being used properly and bringing in different athletes.

02:24:50.000 And that would be kind of the first step.

02:24:53.000 And then beyond that, I mean, the opportunities are endless.

02:24:55.000 I can do a lot of different things with it.

02:24:57.000 So what was the thought process?

02:24:59.000 Was it immediately after the Diego Sanchez fight?

02:25:02.000 Because I talked to you in Denver.

02:25:04.000 When you came to my show at the Belco, I called you up.

02:25:07.000 We were talking, and you said, I'm not really sure I'm done.

02:25:09.000 And I was like, what's going on, man?

02:25:11.000 So I don't remember the exact date of that, but that was probably...

02:25:15.000 I said the retirement, and then again, the camp just started...

02:25:19.000 Going amazing.

02:25:20.000 And again, the why came back, man.

02:25:22.000 I knew why I was doing what I was doing.

02:25:24.000 I was enjoying my time at the gym again.

02:25:26.000 When weren't you enjoying it?

02:25:30.000 There's been a lot of times.

02:25:32.000 I've been around and I've had a lot of different coaches.

02:25:39.000 If I had a regret in my career, it's that I wasn't as loyal to one sort of system.

02:25:46.000 As I should have been.

02:25:47.000 And I have a term for it now called the unicorn fallacy, where you're constantly chasing the unicorn that doesn't exist, right?

02:25:53.000 Or some people, I've heard other people call it like the greener grass syndrome.

02:25:57.000 You know, the grass isn't always greener on their side, right?

02:26:00.000 And if I had a complaint about myself or if you want to call it a regret, like that's my problem.

02:26:05.000 I'm always like, dude, I just need to go over here and I'll get better because I'm always searching that how, right?

02:26:09.000 I forgot the why so You know so again, you know, this is I think a lot of fighters probably also go through this where where It's hard what we do.

02:26:22.000 There's a lot of pressure on our shoulders.

02:26:26.000 Especially with a family.

02:26:27.000 I got three kids.

02:26:29.000 I got knocked out in front of my three kids.

02:26:32.000 They were at the fight.

02:26:34.000 I think they were. 0.99

02:26:36.000 I don't even remember because I was fucking knocked out.

02:26:40.000 I don't remember anything until I was waking up at the hospital and Dwayne was sitting there. 0.95

02:26:45.000 Looking back, I don't even remember all this stuff.

02:26:50.000 It's funny because I've seen videos raising Cowboy's hand and I don't even remember seeing that.

02:26:55.000 Somebody told me that we were talking backstage.

02:26:57.000 I've seen a video, I should say, of us talking backstage.

02:27:00.000 I don't remember none of that. 0.99

02:27:01.000 So things like that make you start questioning, like, dude, is this shit worth it? 0.97

02:27:06.000 I mean, just a lot of internal struggles, right? 0.99

02:27:12.000 Again, the camp I had with Diego, man, all the pieces fell into place.

02:27:18.000 I was like, dude, if I could do this every time, I could do this for a long time, and I could smash a lot of people.

02:27:23.000 So that's where you're at right now.

02:27:24.000 Yeah.

02:27:25.000 So you were reinvigorated.

02:27:26.000 Reinvigorated.

02:27:27.000 That's interesting.

02:27:28.000 So this long career, so many great fights, and you're still finding your place. 0.79

02:27:34.000 To be honest, I think I'm fucking hungrier than I ever was. 0.81

02:27:36.000 Wow. 0.93

02:27:36.000 Man, I was like... 0.93

02:27:39.000 Because of a lot of stuff we're talking about today, it just wasn't clear.

02:27:43.000 You know what I mean?

02:27:43.000 It was just a scatterbrained...

02:27:46.000 Again, it was all about the how.

02:27:48.000 I think I was kind of hyper-focused on that.

02:27:51.000 Like, how do I get stronger?

02:27:52.000 How do I get faster?

02:27:53.000 How do I throw a better punch?

02:27:55.000 How do I analyze this guy?

02:27:58.000 And how do I beat him?

02:27:59.000 It was just constant how, and then you forget, like, why are you doing this anyway?

02:28:03.000 Right.

02:28:06.000 Like I said, it's not an easy sport anyway.

02:28:09.000 It's probably the hardest sport that's ever existed.

02:28:12.000 I don't think there's anything harder.

02:28:14.000 I can't imagine what's harder other than actual war.

02:28:18.000 Yeah, right? 0.99

02:28:19.000 I mean, maybe police officer, fireman, actual war, fucking trauma surgeon. 0.98

02:28:25.000 Even them, I mean, it's harder in different ways. 0.98

02:28:28.000 Yeah, harder in different ways.

02:28:29.000 Yeah, it's...

02:28:30.000 One of the most pressure-filled athletic opportunities that a person can ever be involved in.

02:28:36.000 Yeah.

02:28:38.000 Sorry, go ahead.

02:28:38.000 I was going to say, you know, the hard thing is this is all I've done.

02:28:43.000 I'm all in, you know, from the beginning.

02:28:45.000 Like, I never gave myself an out.

02:28:46.000 And I think that's important to do also.

02:28:49.000 A lot of the guys that have outs, I mean, I watch Shark Tank all the time. 1.00

02:28:52.000 And you see, you know, these guys, if they have an out, then, you know, Kevin O'Leary or whatever is like, you know, fuck you. 1.00

02:28:57.000 I'm not going to invest in you yet. 1.00

02:28:58.000 Rich kids don't grow up to be world championship fighters.

02:29:01.000 Except for BJ Penn.

02:29:03.000 Yeah, right? 1.00

02:29:04.000 He's just a fucking animal. 1.00

02:29:06.000 But he grew up in Hawaii. 1.00

02:29:08.000 Hawaii's a different place. 1.00

02:29:09.000 You're stuck on an island with a bunch of motherfuckers who want to kick your ass. 1.00

02:29:13.000 It's do or die in Hawaii. 1.00

02:29:15.000 Hawaii is an underappreciated place for tough motherfuckers. 1.00

02:29:19.000 I'll have to go there. 1.00

02:29:21.000 My wife wants to go there. 1.00

02:29:21.000 Never been? 1.00

02:29:22.000 I love it.

02:29:23.000 I went there once.

02:29:23.000 I lived there.

02:29:24.000 I was in Waikiki the whole time.

02:29:26.000 I'd live on the big island. 1.00

02:29:27.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:29:28.000 I could live there. 1.00

02:29:29.000 You wouldn't get an island, what do you call it?

02:29:32.000 Island sick?

02:29:32.000 Nope.

02:29:33.000 If I did, I'd get on a plane.

02:29:35.000 People are awesome there, man.

02:29:36.000 It's just a different, more relaxed, more, I don't know, just more chill.

02:29:41.000 They say Costa Rica's the place to go.

02:29:42.000 Costa Rica's pretty badass.

02:29:44.000 They say it's the best place to retire.

02:29:46.000 Yeah?

02:29:47.000 That's what I've heard because it's like $1,000 a month you can live well or something.

02:29:51.000 Yeah, Mel Gibson's got a fat spread there. 0.93

02:29:53.000 He's telling me he's got like 500 acres down there.

02:29:55.000 Nice.

02:29:55.000 That was a cool podcast with Mel Gibson.

02:29:57.000 He's an interesting cat, huh?

02:29:58.000 Here's my impression of Mel Gibson. 1.00

02:30:02.000 He just kept clicking the fucking pen. 0.99

02:30:04.000 He just kept clicking the pen and I didn't want to say anything. 1.00

02:30:08.000 I was like, what do I say?

02:30:09.000 Stop clicking the pen, Mel.

02:30:11.000 I kind of wanted to hear you interview him a little bit.

02:30:14.000 It was like all the stem cell guy, huh?

02:30:16.000 Well, he wanted to come on and talk about stem cells.

02:30:19.000 That's really what he wanted to talk about.

02:30:21.000 And so I honored that.

02:30:22.000 I said, alright, man.

02:30:23.000 That's what you want to talk about.

02:30:25.000 You think he's your biggest guest you've ever had? 0.98

02:30:29.000 He's pretty fucking famous. 0.96

02:30:30.000 James Hetfield. 0.99

02:30:31.000 He's pretty fucking famous, too. 0.94

02:30:33.000 I mean, I don't know. 0.97

02:30:34.000 They're up there.

02:30:35.000 Who else?

02:30:36.000 Alex Jones?

02:30:38.000 I love Alex Jones.

02:30:39.000 He's the biggest, the most downloads.

02:30:41.000 Alex beat everybody by a fuckload. 0.94

02:30:44.000 Yeah, man. 0.98

02:30:45.000 It was interesting.

02:30:46.000 So, here's my theory on Alex Jones.

02:30:49.000 Just if you want to go there.

02:30:50.000 I love going there.

02:30:52.000 So, I think he's a government plot.

02:30:55.000 He's not.

02:30:57.000 I'll tell you that for sure.

02:30:58.000 I've known him forever.

02:30:59.000 I've known Alex since 1998. He's not a government plot.

02:31:03.000 He couldn't tell you because you would tell everybody.

02:31:05.000 He's not.

02:31:06.000 I've hung out with that guy.

02:31:07.000 I get high with him.

02:31:08.000 I'm drunk with him.

02:31:09.000 He's a fun dude.

02:31:10.000 He is a guy who started out as a guy who was against the president.

02:31:15.000 He was against George W. Bush.

02:31:18.000 I don't even think he was running for president at the time, right?

02:31:22.000 Or was he?

02:31:23.000 When did Bush become...

02:31:25.000 No, Clinton was president.

02:31:27.000 Yeah, Clinton was president, and George W. was the governor of Texas.

02:31:30.000 And he was getting arrested for protesting against them, protesting against the global elitists and all these different things.

02:31:37.000 He didn't really become a supporter of any form of government until Trump.

02:31:43.000 I mean, Trump is like the first guy, and he may or may not be getting played by Trump, where, you know, Trump's his buddy.

02:31:49.000 I mean, Trump is a...

02:31:51.000 He's a slick guy in terms of how he cultivates influence.

02:31:56.000 He's an anomaly, for sure.

02:31:58.000 He's an interesting character in a lot of ways.

02:32:00.000 I mean, if it wasn't...

02:32:02.000 Okay, so shoot down my theory completely.

02:32:04.000 It's just a theory.

02:32:05.000 I don't promulgate this fact, but I've always thought that Alex Jones was...

02:32:11.000 Was built by the government to make conspiracy theorists look like loons.

02:32:16.000 He didn't used to make them look like loons.

02:32:18.000 Really?

02:32:19.000 No, no.

02:32:20.000 He was much more...

02:32:22.000 It started with 9-11 though, right?

02:32:25.000 No.

02:32:26.000 Alex was around way before 9-11.

02:32:27.000 He started with Waco.

02:32:29.000 But that's when he came to prominence, right?

02:32:31.000 Because he was the first to kind of...

02:32:33.000 No, even before then, man.

02:32:36.000 But nobody cared about him before then.

02:32:37.000 He was on AM radio before then.

02:32:39.000 Right.

02:32:40.000 But he's been around forever.

02:32:41.000 I mean, like I said, I met him in 98. Well, I'm glad I'm wrong, man.

02:32:44.000 I met him in 98, so it was several years before 2001. And he was doing the same shit back then. 0.99

02:32:51.000 Nice. 0.99

02:32:51.000 I mean, he's always been around doing that. 0.99

02:32:54.000 He's right about a lot of shit, and that's what's so confusing. 0.98

02:32:57.000 He is absolutely right about what they call agent provocateurs, where the government will send in people, if they have a peaceful protest that's very inconvenient for them, like the WTO. He did this whole video about how the WTO, was that in Vancouver or Seattle? 0.99

02:33:12.000 Where was the WTO? I forget where it was.

02:33:15.000 It was somewhere in the Pacific Northwest.

02:33:17.000 I'm confused.

02:33:18.000 But I'm not confused about the story.

02:33:20.000 So what happened was they had these peaceful protests against the World Trade Organization.

02:33:25.000 And it was very inconvenient because all these world leaders were coming to this area for this meeting.

02:33:32.000 agents that were dressed with blast black ski masks and a government issue boots and these people started smashing windows and lighting things on fire they turned into a violent protest which enabled the police to close in and shut down the protests you WTO protest where did say Alex Jones, police state to the takeover.

02:33:52.000 Seattle?

02:33:53.000 Yeah, it was Seattle.

02:33:54.000 Okay.

02:33:55.000 But this is a real tactic that governments and intelligence agencies use.

02:34:01.000 They have a peaceful protest, and then they have these people, like these guys, dressed in black ski masks.

02:34:08.000 They start tipping over newspapers.

02:34:10.000 Look, it doesn't even make any sense.

02:34:11.000 Like, why are they doing this?

02:34:12.000 So this is confirmed that they're government agents.

02:34:14.000 Meanwhile, these guys have government-issued boots.

02:34:16.000 No, it goes further.

02:34:17.000 So these guys all got together at the end, and they were cordoned off into a building, and then they were ultimately released.

02:34:26.000 They were never charged.

02:34:27.000 They were never arrested.

02:34:29.000 I mean, the whole thing is incredibly fascinating.

02:34:33.000 And some of them have been identified as government agents, and Alex can get way more into detail about it.

02:34:39.000 That's why I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so to speak.

02:34:45.000 But the one thing I always say is, I don't put anything past our government.

02:34:49.000 There's absolutely been conspiracies that are real.

02:34:52.000 For sure, for sure.

02:34:52.000 Whether it's the Gulf of Tonkin incident, whether it's Operation Northwoods, there's been, and I'm sure there's been a bunch that we don't know about.

02:35:00.000 I believe that the government assassinated, or somebody assassinated JFK. I don't think it was Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone.

02:35:06.000 I think it's very possible Lee Harvey Oswald was a part of it, but... 0.98

02:35:10.000 I know too much about bullets to think that that fucking bullet went through two people and wound up on Connelly's gurney in the hospital looking pristine. 1.00

02:35:19.000 Cut the shit. 1.00

02:35:19.000 I don't think that's real at all. 1.00

02:35:22.000 Nice, nice.

02:35:23.000 I've seen this as a Pruder film.

02:35:25.000 I've read several books on the story.

02:35:28.000 I think it's very convenient to lump all that into one guy with one bullet. 0.99

02:35:33.000 I think it's horseshit. 1.00

02:35:35.000 I think they probably killed him. 1.00

02:35:36.000 All right.

02:35:38.000 See, I always look into it a little bit, you know, and then I'm like, you know what? 1.00

02:35:44.000 The government probably did this shit, whatever. 1.00

02:35:46.000 They probably did a lot of shit. 1.00

02:35:47.000 They probably did a lot of shit that we don't know about, that we're not aware of. 1.00

02:35:50.000 But this is how governments work. 1.00

02:35:52.000 They've always worked like that.

02:35:53.000 This is how intelligence agencies work. 1.00

02:35:56.000 Smart criminals go to politics, the dumb criminals go to jail. 1.00

02:35:59.000 Yeah, right. 1.00

02:36:00.000 There's a lot of that.

02:36:02.000 Definitely a lot of that.

02:36:03.000 I mean, or, you know, the most criminally insane people in this world are attracted to politics.

02:36:10.000 I think what's gonna fix human beings, and this is a radical idea, but I really think the same thing that's gonna fix human beings is what is, in a lot of ways, Disrupting the standards of our culture right now with the internet.

02:36:25.000 I think technology is going to fix human beings because I think what technology is going to do is eventually there's going to be a way to absolutely detect whether or not someone's telling the truth.

02:36:36.000 I think it's inevitable.

02:36:38.000 I think as we find out...

02:36:40.000 It's gonna fuck up a lot of people's lives.

02:36:41.000 It's gonna fuck up a lot of people's lives and it's gonna enhance most of our lives.

02:36:44.000 And I think people like you and people like me who tell the truth, it's gonna be very good for you.

02:36:50.000 Because I think...

02:36:53.000 I think when you lie, it doesn't just fuck up the person that you're lying to. 0.99

02:36:57.000 I think it fucks you up. 0.98

02:36:58.000 I think it fucks up discourse. 0.97

02:37:00.000 It fucks up culture. 0.95

02:37:01.000 I think it fucks up human beings. 0.97

02:37:02.000 It fucks up our communities.

02:37:05.000 It's an anomaly.

02:37:07.000 It's a thing that people have been able to figure out how to do, where you've been able to say things that aren't accurate to convince someone of a reality that doesn't exist.

02:37:15.000 I guess where I think it gets hard, though, is the politicians specifically are so good at not really lying, but they're right on that gray area.

02:37:26.000 They're not really lying to you, but they're not...

02:37:28.000 That's also because you can lie.

02:37:31.000 Like a guy like Trump, who's been busted lying a million times and still is in office.

02:37:35.000 Which probably every president...

02:37:36.000 Yes, for sure.

02:37:38.000 For sure, Obama's been busted lying too.

02:37:40.000 I don't think he's unique in that.

02:37:42.000 Well, he's unique in his propensity for it.

02:37:45.000 I mean, he loves it.

02:37:46.000 I mean, he's been lying forever.

02:37:49.000 But I think that, without a doubt, there's going to be a time in the future, whether it's in our lifetimes or after, where they develop technology that's going to absolutely allow you to detect whether or not someone's telling the truth.

02:38:02.000 That's intense.

02:38:03.000 Yeah, I think it's going to be the future. 0.99

02:38:05.000 And I think when that happens, people are just not going to accept all the shit that we've accepted for so many years. 0.98

02:38:12.000 It could be an app on the phone. 0.99

02:38:15.000 I think it's probably going to be something that you wear in your body.

02:38:17.000 I think we're real close to that.

02:38:19.000 I think we're real close to embedded chips that you wear in your body.

02:38:22.000 And I think those chips are probably going to interface wirelessly, and you're just going to be able to read thoughts and ideas that come from people that are going to come in probably a new language.

02:38:31.000 I think we're going to be able to develop a universal language.

02:38:35.000 Don't a lot of religious people say that's the mark of the beast, right? 0.99

02:38:41.000 Isn't that like a birthmark or some shit? 0.99

02:38:43.000 What do the religious people think? 1.00

02:38:45.000 Like a chip?

02:38:46.000 I was raised in an ultra-religious environment.

02:38:50.000 My mom was extremely religious.

02:38:52.000 Did they talk in tongues?

02:38:54.000 They probably thought they did.

02:38:56.000 No, they're very fundamental.

02:39:01.000 My brother could go way deeper into what they were about.

02:39:06.000 I never even paid attention.

02:39:07.000 But I remember them talking about the mark of the beast.

02:39:11.000 And they were like, it's going to be something implanted in you.

02:39:13.000 And if you take it, then you're going to hell.

02:39:17.000 And if you don't take it...

02:39:18.000 Or something like that.

02:39:20.000 Maybe they're just planning ahead.

02:39:21.000 They want to keep lying.

02:39:22.000 We've got to plan ahead.

02:39:24.000 These chips are coming.

02:39:25.000 They were certainly lying to me.

02:39:26.000 I think there's going to be a language, a universal language, they figure out how to teach to children.

02:39:31.000 I'd be fascinated.

02:39:32.000 Starting with children, because children learn languages very easily.

02:39:36.000 And if they develop a universal language that is somehow or another either translated through computers...

02:39:42.000 Because, you know, they have...

02:39:43.000 Thing now these Google earbuds that you use with a pixel to phone So if you were talking to me in Spanish, I would hear the translation what you said in English in my ears That's fucking amazing when I saw that I was like, how is nobody noticing that this is step one?

02:39:57.000 This is step one of a universal language.

02:39:59.000 Yeah The translation, like, to English is fascinating, but I think ultimately we're going to be able to figure out how to communicate with everybody with a new language.

02:40:11.000 And this is not hard to, I mean, it's obviously not easy, but it's not impossible to develop a new language, like a universal language that's accepted by everybody.

02:40:20.000 Yeah.

02:40:22.000 I have a Brazilian friend that comes up to my house sometimes and we put the Google Translate thing just right in between us.

02:40:30.000 And you can talk and it detects which language.

02:40:33.000 Wow!

02:40:34.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:40:35.000 Yeah.

02:40:36.000 That's crazy, man.

02:40:37.000 So it knows which language.

02:40:38.000 It'll know who's talking without even...

02:40:40.000 You don't have earphones or nothing.

02:40:42.000 It'll just say it out loud.

02:40:44.000 That's amazing.

02:40:45.000 I mean, it's not 100% accurate.

02:40:46.000 Sometimes you have to play around.

02:40:47.000 So I think this is one step.

02:40:49.000 And then I think the next step is going to be some sort of a way to detect whether or not people are lying.

02:40:55.000 And then another step is going to be more enhanced communication.

02:40:57.000 And then another step after that is going to be some sort of...

02:41:02.000 Telekinetic or some sort of communication without verbalizing, without words. 1.00

02:41:07.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:41:08.000 I think all that's coming. 1.00

02:41:09.000 I'll just be out in the woods.

02:41:11.000 Yeah, y'all do.

02:41:13.000 I'm going to hang out out here.

02:41:14.000 It might be the best way to live.

02:41:16.000 That's how I want to live.

02:41:17.000 My wife is more of a... 1.00

02:41:19.000 City person?

02:41:21.000 Sort of.

02:41:21.000 I mean...

02:41:22.000 Gotta get a weekend spot in Evergreen or something.

02:41:24.000 Dude, I want to.

02:41:25.000 Yeah.

02:41:26.000 I was supposed to do a thing with...

02:41:27.000 What's his name?

02:41:29.000 Denver Rourke.

02:41:30.000 Oh, yeah.

02:41:31.000 The Navy SEAL. He's doing a campfire thing up there.

02:41:33.000 I was just chatting with him yesterday.

02:41:35.000 We were texting each other.

02:41:36.000 About the campfire thing?

02:41:37.000 No, he's going to come on and do the podcast whenever he's in town.

02:41:40.000 Oh, cool.

02:41:41.000 We're out of time.

02:41:41.000 Yeah, I was texting with him on Twitter.

02:41:44.000 He's doing, I guess it's called like a campfire session.

02:41:46.000 So you go out there and hang out at this campfire and he just tells stories.

02:41:50.000 Yeah.

02:41:51.000 He's a fascinating guy.

02:41:52.000 He's been on my friend Steve's television show, Meat Eater.

02:41:55.000 Okay.

02:41:56.000 He's been on that.

02:41:56.000 I've seen that.

02:41:57.000 Yeah.

02:41:57.000 He's a fascinating, intense guy.

02:41:59.000 Nice.

02:42:00.000 Yeah.

02:42:01.000 I wanted to bring my kids, but he's eating.

02:42:04.000 He's a great guy.

02:42:05.000 I mean, I'm sure you could bring your kids, but I think anytime you could get a place where you get away, where you can get to nature to see the real stars at night and have a campfire, it's just reinvigorating.

02:42:17.000 It's just great for you.

02:42:18.000 Man, did you see the eclipse?

02:42:21.000 No.

02:42:21.000 You didn't do that thing?

02:42:22.000 I looked a little bit in my backyard, but I almost burned my eyes.

02:42:24.000 I don't have the right goggles.

02:42:25.000 I try to put two sunglasses on.

02:42:27.000 I was like, that don't work.

02:42:28.000 That was probably the deepest nature.

02:42:30.000 Well, my wife, her family is up in Vermont, so we get some pretty deep nature up there.

02:42:34.000 That's great.

02:42:34.000 But we were up in this place in Wyoming where, I mean, there was a million people there that weekend, but I don't think there's probably not 100 people within 100 miles.

02:42:46.000 Right, right, right.

02:42:46.000 And, man, that was the first time I ever looked up in the sky and could see the Milky Way, though.

02:42:51.000 Oh, you know what you got to do?

02:42:53.000 If you go to Hawaii, you got to plan it for when there's no moon and go to the Keck Observatory.

02:42:59.000 There's a Keck Observatory on the Big Island. 1.00

02:43:01.000 Fuck, man, because the Big Island is designed... 1.00

02:43:06.000 Yeah, it's darker, but they have the lighting system designed in the Big Island to have diffused lighting on the street lamps. 1.00

02:43:12.000 What that means is that the light doesn't disperse into the sky.

02:43:15.000 And so when you go up to the Keck Observatory, man, you see everything.

02:43:19.000 It blew me away.

02:43:20.000 I saw it.

02:43:23.000 Yeah, that's what it looks like.

02:43:24.000 Like, legitimately what it looks like. 0.98

02:43:26.000 Like, you go up there and you look up and you're like, holy shit. 0.98

02:43:30.000 Because it's so high. 0.97

02:43:31.000 I think it's 13,000 feet above sea level.

02:43:34.000 Oh, wow.

02:43:35.000 You go up there and...

02:43:37.000 I didn't know they had mountains that big up there.

02:43:38.000 Oh, yeah, they do.

02:43:39.000 On the Big Island.

02:43:40.000 The Big Island has...

02:43:41.000 It's like a different world.

02:43:42.000 They have a bunch of different ecosystems up there.

02:43:44.000 They have a rainforest, they have a desert, they have mountain ranges, they have lava.

02:43:49.000 But it changed my life, and I'm not bullshitting.

02:43:51.000 It's like a psychedelic experience.

02:43:53.000 When I went up there and saw the stars like that, I was like, oh, I don't even... 0.97

02:43:57.000 I mean, if there's something to make you feel like a tiny fucking speck... 0.74

02:44:01.000 You feel like you're on a spaceship. 0.98

02:44:04.000 You feel like you're on a spaceship flying through the universe.

02:44:06.000 That's how I felt when I was in Wyoming, yeah.

02:44:09.000 I mean, that eclipse obviously blew me away too.

02:44:12.000 You don't realize how many stars are up there and how much our streetlights are fucking us over.

02:44:17.000 Because it's changing the way you view the cosmos itself.

02:44:20.000 It's changing your relationship that you have with infinity.

02:44:24.000 With the universe.

02:44:25.000 I mean, it's changing it because it's dulling our perceptions by limiting all of this spectacular light and these stars, the Milky Way.

02:44:35.000 Like, this whole thing, there's a reason why it gives you this sense of awe.

02:44:39.000 Like, it's a perspective enhancer.

02:44:41.000 It gives you this view of something that's impossibly beautiful and also impossibly huge.

02:44:47.000 And it just puts it all in perspective.

02:44:49.000 I think it's one of the reasons why people are so cocky in cities.

02:44:53.000 They're missing that.

02:44:54.000 They're missing this reality check.

02:44:56.000 And the weird part is like, that's small. 0.99

02:44:59.000 Yeah, that ain't shit. 0.98

02:45:00.000 The Milky Way is like a small galaxy, right? 0.94

02:45:03.000 Yeah, it's nothing.

02:45:04.000 It's one of hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe.

02:45:09.000 Yeah, and there's not aliens, eh?

02:45:10.000 Well, I did Neil deGrasse Tyson's TV show a couple of days ago, and he was telling me that the most likely scenario is that we live in multiverses, and that our universe, which is impossibly large, is one of an infinite number of universes.

02:45:25.000 They're all in these, like, bubbles.

02:45:27.000 Can you explain that?

02:45:30.000 Nope.

02:45:32.000 He said it to me, and I was like, wait, what?

02:45:35.000 I mean, you kind of got to just take his word, right?

02:45:37.000 Googled it, and this is images that pop up.

02:45:39.000 You kind of got to just trust him on that one, right?

02:45:41.000 Well, whenever he says something, I kind of got to just trust him.

02:45:44.000 Like, you're the expert, bro.

02:45:46.000 Anytime I talk to astrophysicists, I just...

02:45:48.000 Try to probe as much as possible and just trust them.

02:45:51.000 Yeah, you can't argue with them about it, right?

02:45:53.000 But the idea is that, like how we have a planet, and the planet's part of a solar system, and the solar system is a part of a galaxy, and the galaxy's a part of the universe, the universe is a part of a multiverse.

02:46:04.000 And then there's a fractal nature to it all, and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger, and the idea that it's multiverse is that there's infinite number of different universes.

02:46:15.000 Now, did he say that's, you know, Theoretically, the most likely, or there's some sort of evidence or there's some reason to believe it outside. 0.97

02:46:24.000 Because my biggest thing is we have all these theories for all this shit. 0.97

02:46:28.000 Big Bang, God, whatever, however far the universe is. 0.97

02:46:33.000 But can our minds really even wrap around what the reality probably actually is?

02:46:38.000 Our minds may not even be able to conceive the reality of this.

02:46:43.000 It may be beyond our imagination.

02:46:46.000 Right.

02:46:47.000 Our imagination is kind of limited to the things we're supposed to be experiencing, what we hear.

02:46:51.000 You know, we could abstractly think about things outside of that, but even when someone says to you like a hundred billion stars, you're like, wow, it's a lot.

02:47:00.000 But that number's not even getting in my head, even after I've said it.

02:47:04.000 Like, I don't know what that means.

02:47:05.000 What does that even mean?

02:47:06.000 They say there's more stars than grains of sand on the earth.

02:47:10.000 I mean, that's what blows me away.

02:47:12.000 I mean, you just look at a jar of sand.

02:47:15.000 Yeah, those are giant balls of fire, maybe more than a million times bigger than Earth, just floating in the sky.

02:47:22.000 So we could see at the eclipse, they had a little observatory, like all the colleges and stuff were there where we were at, and you could see, you'd come back in like 10 minutes, and every 10 minutes, come back and look through this one telescope, and you could see a star going around a star.

02:47:36.000 Wow. 0.96

02:47:37.000 That was fucking cool. 0.97

02:47:38.000 Yeah, I read something yesterday that Pluto is so far away that when the time they discovered it in 1930, it still hasn't made a complete orbit around the Sun. 1.00

02:47:48.000 Oh shit. 0.78

02:47:51.000 How long does it take to orbit? 0.99

02:47:53.000 I don't know.

02:47:54.000 Probably a long time. 0.99

02:47:55.000 Long fucking time. 0.98

02:47:56.000 The funniest part is the kids are sitting there and they're like, oh yeah, that's cool. 0.99

02:48:00.000 Can we get some fucking marshmallows or what? 0.98

02:48:02.000 I need to play video games. 0.99

02:48:04.000 Pluto's unusual orbit takes 248 Earth years for Pluto to complete one orbit around the sun.

02:48:09.000 Its orbital path doesn't lie in the same plane as the eight planets, but is inclined at an angle of 17 degrees.

02:48:16.000 And it's not even a planet anymore.

02:48:18.000 Woo! 1.00

02:48:20.000 Yeah, mindfucker. 1.00

02:48:21.000 There it goes. 1.00

02:48:22.000 How about Elon Musk? 1.00

02:48:23.000 That crazy asshole shot a fucking Tesla up into space yesterday with a mannequin on board singing a David Bowie song. 1.00

02:48:29.000 Oh, there were other people on board? 1.00

02:48:30.000 No, a mannequin.

02:48:30.000 Oh, I thought there was real people.

02:48:31.000 No, it was a dude sitting in a Tesla roadster that's like a mannequin, like it looks like a dude, and he's there.

02:48:39.000 That's what it looks like.

02:48:40.000 Yeah.

02:48:41.000 Is this live right now?

02:48:42.000 You can see it?

02:48:43.000 Yeah, that song's on a billion time loop.

02:48:44.000 It's going to play for a billion years.

02:48:46.000 How is it possible?

02:48:47.000 How does he have the battery for the song to keep playing?

02:48:49.000 He's got some sun energy.

02:48:50.000 He's lying.

02:48:51.000 He's lying.

02:48:52.000 The guy's lying.

02:48:53.000 These batteries run out of...

02:48:54.000 You go 248 miles, that car runs out of gas.

02:48:57.000 I'm sure he explained it somewhere.

02:48:58.000 Wait, I thought... 0.99

02:49:01.000 Dude, I thought he sent actual fucking rockets. 0.97

02:49:05.000 Yeah, there was an actual rocket, and a Tesla Roadster with a mannequin in it was attached to the rocket, so at the very apex of this rocket, as you know, these multi-stage rockets, they pop this bitch out, and it goes flying through space. 0.99

02:49:17.000 He shot a fucking car into space. 0.91

02:49:20.000 Like, imagine aliens coming to Earth, and this is like the first thing they found. 1.00

02:49:24.000 They go, what the fuck is this? 0.99

02:49:25.000 Is that a person? 1.00

02:49:27.000 No. 0.84

02:49:27.000 The richest, craziest guy, one of the richest, craziest guys on earth, one of the smartest guys, he just launches cars into space for a goof. 0.84

02:49:36.000 They're like, these people are assholes. 1.00

02:49:38.000 You see a lot of rich people that maybe, they just want to get richer. 1.00

02:49:43.000 They just want to get richer or something, right? 1.00

02:49:44.000 This dude's, how much money is he blowing on this shit? 1.00

02:49:49.000 It says made on earth by humans. 1.00

02:49:50.000 I think he blew a hundred million dollars to do this.

02:49:52.000 Click on that link of the image of the Tesla with the earth behind it.

02:49:57.000 It's CGI, bro!

02:49:59.000 The earth is flat, man!

02:50:01.000 I mean, that is just...

02:50:03.000 what a crazy image.

02:50:04.000 Dude, I want to hear...

02:50:06.000 I never talked to Eddie about that.

02:50:07.000 I want to hear his real theory on that.

02:50:09.000 Eddie Bravo?

02:50:09.000 Don't talk to him about it.

02:50:11.000 Dude, I want to hear it.

02:50:11.000 It'll change the way you think.

02:50:13.000 It's gotta change now.

02:50:14.000 There's a whole video of this going from the bottom to the top.

02:50:17.000 It's not based in reality, man.

02:50:19.000 It's not based in logic or reason.

02:50:21.000 He has no logic behind it?

02:50:23.000 He wants to think the Earth's flat.

02:50:25.000 He's like, you don't know.

02:50:26.000 He doesn't trust science.

02:50:27.000 Doesn't trust scientists.

02:50:28.000 Doesn't trust anybody.

02:50:29.000 I mean, I get that, but you gotta have some logic still to back it up, right?

02:50:33.000 You know what?

02:50:34.000 One of the things that makes Eddie so good at jujitsu is he has an idea to get a move on you and he's fucking completely locked on that idea and everything that's trying to shut that down is just like he needs to come up with a defense for that.

02:50:46.000 He's gonna find a way.

02:50:47.000 That's how he looks at ideas as well.

02:50:50.000 So if he has an idea that the earth is flat or that there's lizard people that live under the ground I'll see you on that too.

02:50:57.000 I don't know.

02:50:57.000 You've got to prove that that's not real to him.

02:51:00.000 And if you can't prove that that's not real, and you say, well, look at these pictures. 0.99

02:51:03.000 Oh, that's bullshit. 0.99

02:51:04.000 They fake it. 1.00

02:51:05.000 They fake the moon landing six times.

02:51:07.000 Yeah, you've got to give me more than that.

02:51:08.000 I wanted to hear his actual argument.

02:51:10.000 Sit down with him.

02:51:11.000 Sit down with him.

02:51:12.000 I'll film it.

02:51:12.000 I want to.

02:51:13.000 I'll turn the camera on and I'll leave the room.

02:51:15.000 I went to his gym a couple weeks ago and I'd always heard that he talks a lot at his gym or kind of goes on about different things like that.

02:51:24.000 And I was totally prepared. 0.96

02:51:26.000 I was like, fuck yeah, let's go hear it. 0.99

02:51:28.000 He didn't do anything. 0.99

02:51:29.000 He didn't barely even talk.

02:51:30.000 We just rolled the whole time.

02:51:31.000 He's probably happy you were there.

02:51:32.000 He wanted to show you some jiu-jitsu.

02:51:34.000 He's a jiu-jitsu wizard.

02:51:35.000 He did.

02:51:35.000 He showed me some good jiu-jitsu.

02:51:37.000 I like his system.

02:51:39.000 It's an intense system.

02:51:41.000 The moves I only know so much, but the concept of what do we do at 99% of jiu-jitsu classes?

02:51:48.000 You go practice some new technique you probably never did before.

02:51:52.000 And then you start rolling.

02:51:53.000 And then you roll.

02:51:54.000 Yeah.

02:51:54.000 And his, when we went there, we drilled, drilled, drilled.

02:51:59.000 And this reminded me much more of like a wrestling style practice.

02:52:02.000 And I liked it a lot in that terms.

02:52:04.000 Well, that's why he designed it that way.

02:52:08.000 He's a real jujitsu genius.

02:52:09.000 He really is.

02:52:10.000 Yeah.

02:52:11.000 You know, I mean, the conspiracy thing, I think he just enjoys it.

02:52:15.000 He loves them.

02:52:16.000 He loves it.

02:52:17.000 He loves it. 1.00

02:52:17.000 He's always sending me crazy shit. 1.00

02:52:18.000 I'm afraid I'll love it too much once I actually have the time. 0.99

02:52:22.000 It's a giant distraction.

02:52:23.000 If you think Instagram is a distraction, go try to...

02:52:26.000 Well, that's the problem.

02:52:29.000 There's no website, maybe there should be, where you can just go on and say, okay, this is what this side believes about it, this is what this side believes about it, and you make up your own mind.

02:52:37.000 You've got to dig through... 0.99

02:52:40.000 Fucking Infowars every time. 0.99

02:52:43.000 And of course, if you try to tell someone, I'm like, dude, it's true. 0.99

02:52:47.000 It said it on Infowars.

02:52:48.000 They're like, okay.

02:52:49.000 Right. 1.00

02:52:49.000 You're full of shit now. 1.00

02:52:50.000 There's a few websites like that, right? 1.00

02:52:51.000 Like the Daily Mail. 0.99

02:52:52.000 You read it on the Daily Mail and you're like, get the fuck out. 0.98

02:52:54.000 Like the Radar or something like that. 0.95

02:52:56.000 There's a bunch of them.

02:52:57.000 There's a bunch of weird ones.

02:52:58.000 Matt Brown, I gotta wrap this up. 0.97

02:52:59.000 I gotta get the fuck out of here.

02:53:00.000 But listen, man, I appreciate your time.

02:53:02.000 I appreciate you being here.

02:53:02.000 It was a pleasure.

02:53:03.000 It's an honor.

02:53:04.000 When are you fighting Carlos Condit?

02:53:06.000 April 14th. 1.00

02:53:07.000 April 14th, motherfuckers. 1.00

02:53:09.000 Tune in. 1.00

02:53:10.000 And it's IamTheImmortal on Instagram, right?

02:53:13.000 Yeah.

02:53:14.000 And what's your Twitter?

02:53:16.000 Same.

02:53:17.000 All right.

02:53:17.000 Same.

02:53:18.000 IamTheImmortal and then ImmortalCombatEquipment.co.

02:53:20.000 Thanks, brother.

02:53:21.000 It's a pleasure.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 03, 2010

JRE MMA Show #14 with Matt Brown

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