The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #140 with Gillian Robertson

00:00:00.000 How long do you have to stop smoking weed before you'll test positive?

00:00:17.000 Usually about five days.

00:00:19.000 Five days before a fight?

00:00:20.000 If you're smoking straight flour.

00:00:22.000 But if you're smoking like oil, dabs, anything like that, then you need a little bit more time.

00:00:28.000 You got down to a science?

00:00:30.000 I figured it out when I tested positive one fight because I was smoking oil and I stopped five days out.

00:00:38.000 Oh, smoking oil.

00:00:40.000 Those wacky kids and their dabs in oil. 0.98

00:00:43.000 You guys go too far.

00:00:45.000 You guys go too far.

00:00:46.000 There's way too many ways now, I feel like.

00:00:50.000 You go to dark places.

00:00:51.000 You do dabs, you go to dark places.

00:00:53.000 Yeah, especially with dabs, and that's the next level extreme.

00:00:57.000 Yeah, I'm not interested in that.

00:00:58.000 You just get too far gone.

00:01:00.000 You don't even know how to move your hands right.

00:01:03.000 There's this stuff that...

00:01:04.000 I'm a medical patient in Florida, and there's stuff you can get from the dispensary.

00:01:09.000 It's like little nose drops. 1.00

00:01:11.000 And that shit makes you... 1.00

00:01:13.000 Literally, I feel like I can't form sentences. 1.00

00:01:17.000 Is this a spray?

00:01:18.000 Yeah, it's just like a nasal spray.

00:01:20.000 There's so many wacky people in Austin spraying ketamine up their nose.

00:01:24.000 It is a real issue.

00:01:26.000 We had a girl go into a K-hole at our comedy club the other night. 1.00

00:01:30.000 Yeah, and her boyfriend's like, she just did a lot of ketamine. 0.99

00:01:33.000 And they're like, Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

00:01:34.000 Do that at home, you nuts. 1.00

00:01:37.000 They're doing ketamine and going to see comedy. 0.94

00:01:40.000 From the moment I got here, it's been offered to me frequently.

00:01:42.000 What is going on?

00:01:43.000 How's ketamine? 1.00

00:01:45.000 Ketamine's a fucking tranquilizer, right? 0.99

00:01:47.000 It's a powerful psychedelic, too, right? 0.99

00:01:50.000 It's also available in clinics for people who do PTSD work and stuff.

00:01:53.000 I feel like there's a lot of people that are doing it like every day though.

00:01:57.000 Have you done it?

00:01:58.000 No, no.

00:01:58.000 I've never messed with anything like that.

00:01:59.000 I took a little of Duncan's.

00:02:01.000 Duncan had one.

00:02:02.000 I think he made it in his bathtub.

00:02:03.000 What did it feel like?

00:02:04.000 Do you remember?

00:02:05.000 Weird.

00:02:05.000 But it was very little.

00:02:07.000 He goes, just take one pump.

00:02:08.000 So I took like one pump.

00:02:10.000 And I was like, this is odd.

00:02:11.000 But I know the source and I know where he's getting it.

00:02:14.000 And it's all medical grade and legit.

00:02:16.000 But it's like, what is that?

00:02:19.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:02:20.000 I like a lot of natural things better.

00:02:24.000 THC nasal mist.

00:02:26.000 Well, yeah, I guess marijuana is the ultimate natural thing.

00:02:31.000 I was just saying that I hurt my back a little bit to tweak the muscle, and it was locked up, and I put on this CBD MD Recover Cream.

00:02:39.000 I mean, that stuff is insanely good.

00:02:43.000 It's incredible how much better I felt.

00:02:45.000 No, that's crazy.

00:02:45.000 It's amazing that CBD has that kind of power.

00:02:48.000 Yeah, I've never used a topical cream like that, but I've used pills and things like that with CBD, and I feel like it definitely does make a difference.

00:02:56.000 I don't know, there's a huge difference.

00:02:58.000 Huge difference.

00:02:59.000 My friend Dave Foley had real bad arthritis in his hands.

00:03:03.000 And he started taking CBD and all of a sudden his hands started working fine.

00:03:06.000 Like, it just took a while.

00:03:09.000 Your body is filled with inflammation.

00:03:12.000 And CBD is just an awesome way to get rid of inflammation.

00:03:15.000 Especially as a fighter.

00:03:17.000 Oh yeah.

00:03:17.000 It's like everything's inflamed constantly.

00:03:19.000 Who needs CBD more than fighters, right?

00:03:22.000 And who needs marijuana more than fighters? 0.99

00:03:24.000 Just to fucking chill. 1.00

00:03:26.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:03:27.000 Like the stress that you go through on a regular basis is so bonkers. 1.00

00:03:32.000 If you really think about it, you're around all these other human beings that are going about their day, driving their cars, going to work.

00:03:38.000 You're preparing to throw bones at girls.

00:03:42.000 You're preparing to strangle people. 0.98

00:03:44.000 You put people to sleep for a living.

00:03:47.000 That is a wild thing to do, sister.

00:03:50.000 It's like pre-fight when I'm sitting there and I'm feeling all my nerves. 0.98

00:03:53.000 My boyfriend, he's told me, he's like, you need to be thankful for this because he's like, most people don't get to experience shit like this in their life. 0.79

00:03:59.000 Most people don't get to experience these kinds of feelings, like these extreme feelings because they just have their regular jobs. 0.90

00:04:05.000 It's like what I'm doing is something crazy.

00:04:08.000 It's so crazy.

00:04:09.000 It's so crazy.

00:04:10.000 And when you do it in a place like when you...

00:04:12.000 Was it in London with Molly McCann?

00:04:15.000 Was that London?

00:04:15.000 It was actually Liverpool.

00:04:17.000 Liverpool.

00:04:17.000 Yeah.

00:04:18.000 That was crazy.

00:04:20.000 That was crazy. 1.00

00:04:22.000 When you got her back and put her to sleep, I was like, oh shit. 1.00

00:04:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:04:26.000 It was my first fight out of the Tough House.

00:04:31.000 My UFC debut was technically against Emily Whitmire, but we were still in the Tough House.

00:04:36.000 We didn't have our actual fight kits, things like that.

00:04:41.000 So Molly McCann, I feel like, was really the first fight where I was like, this is a real UFC fight for me.

00:04:47.000 And my flight was delayed.

00:04:50.000 She missed weight.

00:04:51.000 I feel like everything went wrong that week.

00:04:53.000 I got booed walking out.

00:04:56.000 I don't know.

00:04:57.000 Just to get that success after that, I feel like was such a great thing for me.

00:05:01.000 How did they treat you when you got out?

00:05:03.000 After I got out, honestly, everybody was great.

00:05:06.000 Even Molly invited me to her after party.

00:05:09.000 My brother flew out there, so I ended up going out with him.

00:05:11.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:05:12.000 And we were just walking around Liverpool and everybody coming up to me trying to get pictures.

00:05:18.000 Liverpool fans were 100% supportive.

00:05:20.000 It was great.

00:05:21.000 That's cool.

00:05:22.000 Of course they're going to boo you.

00:05:23.000 Yeah.

00:05:24.000 She's a girl.

00:05:24.000 Oh yeah, 100%.

00:05:25.000 I expected every minute of it.

00:05:27.000 Plus, what a personality she has. 0.99

00:05:30.000 She's awesome. 0.83

00:05:31.000 I absolutely love her.

00:05:32.000 Probably, out of all the girls I fought in the UFC, Molly's definitely probably the top. 0.98

00:05:37.000 She's a character. 0.96

00:05:39.000 Her and Patty together are fucking amazing. 0.99

00:05:41.000 It's hilarious. 0.99

00:05:42.000 This should be a reality show.

00:05:43.000 She's absolutely like genuine sweetheart of a person and like you said, absolute character as well.

00:05:49.000 And she can fight.

00:05:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:05:50.000 She can fight her ass off. 0.99

00:05:51.000 Her stand-up is nasty. 0.99

00:05:53.000 She's so tough.

00:05:54.000 She's so tough.

00:05:56.000 All girls, I feel like from that area, they got that extra toughness to them and she definitely is superior in that.

00:06:03.000 Yeah, for her it just feels like grappling came like a little later for her and that can be a problem with someone of your caliber.

00:06:11.000 You know, the thing about, like, grappling is, God, it takes so long to catch up, and while you're catching up, that person's still getting better.

00:06:19.000 If they're training every day, and it's like when someone is at a super high grappling level, and if you're just getting into grappling now, like, you're just surviving.

00:06:31.000 And it's a long time until you're doing anything other than surviving.

00:06:35.000 Unless you're some athletic freak.

00:06:37.000 Unless you're some just unbelievable specimen of a human that just learns quicker than everybody else.

00:06:42.000 Most of the time it's like really hard to catch up when you're a pure striker.

00:06:45.000 There's just so much to learn in Jiu Jitsu.

00:06:48.000 I got my black belt, I think, two or three years ago now, and I feel like I still don't know anything.

00:06:54.000 I feel like there's so much to learn, so many different styles, different things.

00:06:59.000 Even leg locks, I don't know deep into that game.

00:07:03.000 I know good defensively, but offensively, I feel like that's a completely different world.

00:07:08.000 The leg lock game is crazy, because that just took over.

00:07:13.000 It was so amazing to watch something that you used to get booed for.

00:07:17.000 Like, if they went to tournaments, especially in Brazil, people would boo you.

00:07:20.000 They did not like when you were doing stuff like that.

00:07:22.000 I guess because it really messes people up in training.

00:07:25.000 Like, they had to know it was really effective.

00:07:27.000 But too many people had to ruin knees.

00:07:30.000 And they just decided, like, hey, this is a bad idea.

00:07:32.000 And it might be a bad idea in the gi.

00:07:36.000 In the gi, it's like, whoa, man, you can't get out of that very well.

00:07:40.000 At least in no gi, there's a little bit more maneuverability. 0.99

00:07:44.000 When someone's grabbing your legs and they've got your pants and they're holding on to the cuff in here, it's like, ooh, that's tight for a leg lock.

00:07:51.000 That's scary.

00:07:52.000 I'm almost more nervous competing no gi now than versus fighting MMA. Really?

00:07:58.000 No, gay girls are so well-versed in leg locks and that shit's dangerous. 1.00

00:08:03.000 It's like that can put me out for six months a year plus where it's like the worst thing I've ever had happen in a fight is I got 11 stitches in my nose. 0.99

00:08:11.000 It's like besides that and even that I grappled a month later.

00:08:15.000 Who was that woman, that heavily tattooed woman? 1.00

00:08:19.000 You got her back too.

00:08:21.000 She had a crazy nickname like the Demon Slayer. 0.99

00:08:27.000 Oh, Maria Agpova.

00:08:29.000 Yes.

00:08:30.000 He has a wild nickname, right?

00:08:31.000 Yeah, it's something like that.

00:08:33.000 Yeah.

00:08:35.000 When you were fighting her, she hit you with a bunch of really hard elbows while you were trying to take her down. 1.00

00:08:43.000 That was just a maze that you just stuck with the path.

00:08:47.000 You just kept...

00:08:48.000 You're like, uh-uh, I got you.

00:08:50.000 I got you.

00:08:51.000 I got...

00:08:52.000 Uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, you're not getting away with this.

00:08:54.000 I'm going to hang on to you and I'm going to drag you to the ground and I'm going to get you. 0.99

00:08:57.000 And when you finally did it, I was like, damn, that was systematic. 0.99

00:09:00.000 But you endured some hard shots. 0.98

00:09:05.000 Honestly, I don't know.

00:09:06.000 I didn't really have much damage off of those shots.

00:09:10.000 I didn't really feel a lot of those.

00:09:13.000 The only reason that I even thought about them is because the ref was like, you need to do something, I'm going to stop this. 0.90

00:09:18.000 And I was like, oh shit, I've got to change something up. 0.92

00:09:22.000 But I was initially going for a knee bar when she was just hitting me with elbows. 1.00

00:09:27.000 And then I gave up on that because of the ref.

00:09:32.000 Isn't it interesting how subjective refereeing can be?

00:09:35.000 And that there's some referees that are really good at letting people just fight out of stuff.

00:09:40.000 And then there's some referees that like just getting hit even with a few hammer fists that aren't going to stop you if you don't defend them.

00:09:47.000 Some refs will just stop it right there. 1.00

00:09:49.000 It's completely subjective.

00:09:51.000 Like for that ref to tell you that like you can't endure these shots, you don't have the time.

00:09:57.000 Like actually they're not that hard.

00:09:59.000 It sounds bad, but it doesn't really hurt.

00:10:01.000 I'm okay.

00:10:02.000 But you can't say that in the middle of a fight.

00:10:04.000 So there's this weird communication issue.

00:10:08.000 He sees you getting hit, but I saw you getting hit by those shots.

00:10:11.000 I was like, Jesus Christ, can you see if you can find that?

00:10:14.000 See if you can find that.

00:10:15.000 Because in that exchange, when you're trying to take her down, I'm like, Jesus.

00:10:18.000 Those are some hard elbows.

00:10:20.000 Travis Brown was the master of that.

00:10:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:10:24.000 I feel like no one had more power than him when he was delivering those elbows.

00:10:27.000 And I think he kind of invented it.

00:10:29.000 Or at least he popularized it.

00:10:31.000 We call it the Travis Brown.

00:10:32.000 Because he would drive down those elbows when you were trying to take him down.

00:10:36.000 That was a horrible place to be.

00:10:37.000 I don't think I've seen people drop like I have with Travis Brown.

00:10:41.000 Well, he obviously drilled it.

00:10:43.000 It wasn't an improvised thing.

00:10:45.000 At least I don't think it was.

00:10:46.000 It just seemed so well-timed.

00:10:48.000 And the force that he could generate because he's so big and long.

00:10:52.000 When you're a long person, like a John Jones type person, the amount of extra force that you have and all that length and torque...

00:11:02.000 Yeah, so somewhere in the clinch, we're going to get a view of your whole fight here. 0.67

00:11:09.000 What is it like watching yourself fight?

00:11:11.000 Is it weird?

00:11:13.000 I guess I don't know.

00:11:16.000 I do it a lot.

00:11:17.000 I use myself as motivation of how I should perform.

00:11:21.000 A lot of times I watch my past wins just to really, I guess, relive that kind of feeling.

00:11:28.000 So then it gives you something to chase the next fight.

00:11:31.000 Oh, that's brilliant.

00:11:34.000 That's a great way to do it, especially since you've got these well-documented, awesome videos from the UFC of your wins.

00:11:44.000 It's one of the coolest things ever to be a fan right now.

00:11:47.000 You can just watch fights at any time you want.

00:11:49.000 Any time.

00:11:50.000 Any time.

00:11:51.000 Instantly.

00:11:52.000 You're watching fights.

00:11:52.000 I'm a huge fan of the sport just in general.

00:11:55.000 So just being able to do that, like look up any type of, any fight, anything you want.

00:11:59.000 I'm like, it's crazy.

00:12:00.000 I love it.

00:12:01.000 It's like the best time ever for high-level kickboxing.

00:12:04.000 It's the best time for amateur wrestling.

00:12:06.000 It's the best time for submission grappling.

00:12:08.000 There's never been more people that have been more interested in submission grappling now.

00:12:12.000 I think we got past the elbows here.

00:12:14.000 This is where the chokes happen. 1.00

00:12:16.000 First round?

00:12:17.000 Yeah, first round.

00:12:19.000 Oh, is that round two?

00:12:21.000 We can still watch that though.

00:12:23.000 I still want to watch that choke. 1.00

00:12:27.000 Yeah, so is right here he's telling you you have to do something?

00:12:30.000 No, I had her butt on the floor by this point because I actually knew she had an injured knee going into this fight. 1.00

00:12:38.000 Oh, how'd you know that?

00:12:40.000 She talked about it in interviews and I actually knew a couple people she trained with who told me. 0.98

00:12:46.000 Oh, a bunch of rats. 0.99

00:12:47.000 Dirty rats. 0.98

00:12:49.000 Dirty rats. 0.99

00:12:50.000 Do you feel bad taking that information? 0.99

00:12:53.000 And it is what it is.

00:12:55.000 I definitely utilized it.

00:12:57.000 Yeah, you have to.

00:12:58.000 You'd be crazy not to.

00:13:00.000 I probably wouldn't have committed to the knee bar so hard if I didn't know that knee injury was there.

00:13:07.000 So it's like...

00:13:09.000 I started going for the knee bar and she just kept on hitting me with elbows. 1.00

00:13:13.000 And then once we were on the floor, I think he thought I was injured because I was committing to the knee bars.

00:13:19.000 I was trying to put hips down. 1.00

00:13:21.000 So that's when he told me I needed to move.

00:13:24.000 It just started going in slow motion.

00:13:26.000 Why is it going in slow motion?

00:13:28.000 I don't know what's happening.

00:13:28.000 Is someone breaking down some specific...

00:13:31.000 No, it's on ESPN's website.

00:13:33.000 It's just freaking out.

00:13:35.000 The Russians don't like Americans winning. 0.96

00:13:39.000 They don't like it.

00:13:41.000 Okay.

00:13:46.000 Okay.

00:13:47.000 So at one point you were getting drilled with elbows.

00:13:51.000 I don't know if we're gonna find it watching the whole fight.

00:13:53.000 But it was just an awesome performance overall.

00:13:56.000 That and the Molly McCann one.

00:13:59.000 You've had a bunch of them.

00:14:00.000 I think I was equally impressed with the Rose Namajunas grappling match.

00:14:04.000 That was That was so slick.

00:14:08.000 Like the way you took her back and the controlling the position, like you never lost an inch.

00:14:14.000 Like you just kept progressing until you got the choke.

00:14:17.000 It was awesome.

00:14:18.000 I feel like my choking game is definitely different than anybody else's.

00:14:24.000 It's a feel that I've been working on for years, and I feel like I still haven't even perfected it.

00:14:29.000 But I feel like I'm getting closer and closer to making it perfect.

00:14:33.000 And I think the Rose grappling match was probably one of the opportunities where I feel like I really got it just that little bit more close to perfect.

00:14:44.000 I wasn't even on her throat at first.

00:14:47.000 She had her chin tucked, and my hand was in poor position.

00:14:51.000 I feel like I was just able to walk it closer and closer until I was able to make that hole tighter, and she had to give up her throat at that point. 0.94

00:14:58.000 Well, what I was super impressed with was your use of the shoulder.

00:15:03.000 How you're using your right arm to control the shoulder, because you don't quite have it, but you've got a nice grip on the cup of the shoulder, and you're using that leverage, like that improvised. 0.95

00:15:11.000 Then when you switch to the gable grip, I was like, oh shit. 0.90

00:15:14.000 The gable grip was it. 0.97

00:15:16.000 But when you were using her shoulder, I was like, that's brilliant.

00:15:20.000 Dean always tells me, he's like, if her chin's tucked, you should be able to break it, you know?

00:15:25.000 It's like the goal is to break the jaw.

00:15:26.000 So just creating that pressure with just closing the circle, you know?

00:15:32.000 Trying to make that circle smaller.

00:15:33.000 So I'm just inching my hand deeper, my head deeper until I can really just make it so it's too small.

00:15:40.000 I'd love what you said that you have like a feel for it because I think people would think of it like oh It's just like you know, you know the movement you do it right, but it's just like everything else.

00:15:50.000 It's like playing guitar It's like any other thing that you learn how to do that's difficult There's like levels and levels and levels and levels and levels and when you watch like really high level black belts going at it going back and forth and trying to keep up with each other it's like You're watching the craziest kind of game ever. 1.00

00:16:13.000 I've taught my choke to multiple people and I feel like people just don't get it still because it's something I've worked on for years.

00:16:21.000 So what's specific about your choke?

00:16:23.000 It's just the way that I have my pressure.

00:16:26.000 I feel like I can generally finish it with one hand.

00:16:29.000 I never really look for the hook.

00:16:31.000 I'm usually just searching for it opportunistically, so I get it whenever it's almost too late to defend it.

00:16:38.000 Even just the pressure of my choke, though.

00:16:41.000 I think it's something that anybody could learn, but it's just a lot of patience because it's something that's so basic and so simple.

00:16:48.000 But like I said, I've drilled it a thousand times and I don't think I have it right yet.

00:16:52.000 So I think it's just you really have to put the time and effort into one specific motion, which a lot of people don't have time for.

00:17:00.000 So you just over and over again drilled it, or you just over and over again used it in training?

00:17:06.000 What sparked this strangulation reign that you've been on?

00:17:11.000 How did that start?

00:17:13.000 It's definitely both.

00:17:14.000 I feel like a lot of my technique comes from Dean Thomas.

00:17:18.000 Dean's the man.

00:17:18.000 Yeah, he's the engineer behind a lot of whatever I do.

00:17:23.000 And he kind of devised this way of going for the neck and just off balancing opponents attacking the throat and we've been drilling it for years and years and years and even like I feel like the way he's described it to me hasn't really clicked until like recently where we've been drilling it for years and now it's like all right I kind of get this.

00:17:44.000 Yeah, the way you do it, it's so brilliantly the way it progresses.

00:17:52.000 What's beautiful to watch, especially the rose match in particular, is the squeeze that you put, the progression of it, is what you want to see.

00:18:01.000 At a really high level, that's what you want to see.

00:18:03.000 And when someone executes and executes it on someone who is champion of the UFC, it's really incredible.

00:18:09.000 I mean, that was an amazing showcase for you.

00:18:12.000 Into MMA, it just plays in perfectly.

00:18:15.000 My last fight with Piero Rodriguez, I was in mount throwing elbows the whole time, and every time she tried to turn her back a little bit, her coaches were like, no, no, don't give your back!

00:18:25.000 So they're just making her lay on the ground and take elbows to the face instead of giving up her back. 0.97

00:18:30.000 So I'm like, it's the worst of two worlds there.

00:18:34.000 You get your choice.

00:18:37.000 Is the rest of your game as strong as your choke game?

00:18:42.000 I think so.

00:18:42.000 I think my top pressure in jujitsu is definitely something that a lot of girls especially have.

00:18:47.000 Even a lot of guys, I feel like I get a lot of compliments.

00:18:51.000 I feel like in the jujitsu world, it's the only place where you can tell a girl she's heavy and it's a compliment, you know?

00:18:57.000 Right.

00:18:57.000 You've got heavy hips.

00:18:58.000 What?

00:18:59.000 Yeah.

00:18:59.000 Everybody tells me that I'm really heavy and I feel like it's that kind of top pressure which is going to be dominant in an MMA game.

00:19:08.000 Yeah, it absolutely can be.

00:19:10.000 I mean, you look at the guys from Dagestan, the Khabib disciples, Islam Akachev, Khabib, those guys, they just crush you. 1.00

00:19:18.000 They get on top of you and crush you.

00:19:19.000 When you see where really good, high-level submission artists get smushed by guys like Khabib, you're like, wow!

00:19:31.000 It's like there's layers and layers to everything.

00:19:34.000 And we didn't know the layer of like controlling the legs with the legs until Khabib came along and did it.

00:19:39.000 And when he would do it so thoroughly, he'd be like, Jesus Christ, he does this to everybody.

00:19:43.000 Like he didn't even have a bad moment, you know, until like there was like I get the Gleason Tebow fight was a pretty close fight, I believe.

00:19:51.000 And then one round with Connor.

00:19:54.000 But even that round was like a round he took off.

00:19:58.000 It's like that guy.

00:19:59.000 But the squeeze that guy had, it's like everybody that trains him says, you don't understand.

00:20:05.000 It's like he weighs 400 pounds.

00:20:07.000 It doesn't even make any sense.

00:20:09.000 Yeah, that top control is just completely different.

00:20:11.000 And it's like, I always say, I'm like, people hit a lot less, like, they don't hit as hard when they're on their back.

00:20:16.000 Right, of course.

00:20:17.000 So I'd rather have somebody on their back than standing face to face with me, you know?

00:20:21.000 And you're draining them.

00:20:22.000 Exactly.

00:20:23.000 It's exhausting.

00:20:24.000 That person carrying your weight, it's exhausting.

00:20:26.000 You're always moving to try to defend.

00:20:29.000 It's very difficult to get out of.

00:20:32.000 And especially with someone, if it's a superior grappler in the scramble, she's going to take your back. 1.00

00:20:37.000 Exactly.

00:20:38.000 Always looking for the submissions, the strikes.

00:20:40.000 If I'm on bottom, it's the strike, sweep, submit, or stand up.

00:20:44.000 We're just working for the finish constantly.

00:20:47.000 Well, that's what I love about your style, and I think that's what makes it so fan-friendly, too.

00:20:52.000 It's so exciting.

00:20:53.000 And I love the technique.

00:20:56.000 The technique is so sharp.

00:20:57.000 But you were saying something that I wanted to ask you to elaborate on.

00:21:00.000 You said you don't even go for the hooks.

00:21:02.000 You're so concerned with the choke that you'll take the choke, even if you have no hooks, and then get the hooks later.

00:21:09.000 The hooks aren't even, like, that's, like, last priority, or I don't need them even.

00:21:13.000 I don't think I had any hooks when I choked Rose.

00:21:16.000 But I just, I have such a unique grip with how I, with my head and hand position on my choke.

00:21:24.000 So it's just, it doesn't really matter.

00:21:26.000 That's where my control point is.

00:21:27.000 It's not on the lower half of the body.

00:21:29.000 It's on the choke.

00:21:30.000 And usually when I have the choke before I get the hooks in, it's like people aren't ready to defend it.

00:21:36.000 Usually you put the hooks in and people are already here.

00:21:38.000 And now you have to hand fight and you're there for who knows how long.

00:21:42.000 Right.

00:21:42.000 Where if I get my choke first, then it's like if I need the hooks for control, I can get them in.

00:21:47.000 But you're already choking, so you're worried about that.

00:21:50.000 So, is this Dean's coaching?

00:21:53.000 Did he coach you to do it this way?

00:21:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:55.000 He definitely came up with a whole game plan of that, where it's just going for the choke, just opportunistically.

00:22:02.000 Wow.

00:22:03.000 Just because you're so good at it.

00:22:05.000 I feel like, literally, I've worked with Dean since day one, so I think he kind of also just molded this game plan for me.

00:22:15.000 That's awesome.

00:22:16.000 He's the second best dressed guy in MMA. It's like neck and neck with him and Bruce Buffer.

00:22:21.000 But I think you've got to give the nod to Buffer.

00:22:23.000 Yeah, I think you have to give it to Buffer.

00:22:25.000 He has such crazy suits. 1.00

00:22:26.000 He has suits with pictures of Elvis inside of him and shit. 1.00

00:22:29.000 He's like, every suit is weirder. 1.00

00:22:31.000 They're crazy.

00:22:32.000 They're so beautiful, too.

00:22:33.000 They're all perfectly tailored.

00:22:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:35.000 He must have 100,000 of them.

00:22:37.000 I mean, how many fucking suits does that guy have? 0.99

00:22:38.000 He changes multiple times now, too. 1.00

00:22:41.000 Oh, he's a maniac. 0.94

00:22:42.000 Main card suit. 0.99

00:22:43.000 Yeah.

00:22:44.000 Bro, his tailor must be ballin'. 1.00

00:22:45.000 Because it's all custom-made shit. 1.00

00:22:48.000 Look at this one. 1.00

00:22:48.000 It's beautiful. 1.00

00:22:50.000 Oh, that's Miami?

00:22:52.000 What's in there?

00:22:52.000 It's him.

00:22:53.000 What's all the thing?

00:22:54.000 It's him in Vegas.

00:22:55.000 Oh, it's all him.

00:22:58.000 He uses the lining of his own jacket.

00:23:01.000 It's a comic book or something.

00:23:03.000 How dope is it, though, when that guy yells your name?

00:23:06.000 I know.

00:23:07.000 Literally last fight I had to think to myself, I'm like, alright, that's Bruce Buffer, just focus on the fight.

00:23:12.000 Just think about Pierre right now.

00:23:14.000 Is it weird?

00:23:15.000 It's definitely weird.

00:23:17.000 I don't know.

00:23:17.000 Everything is weird about this for me.

00:23:19.000 It's just like, I'm just like, I guess a socially awkward kind of, don't really put myself out there.

00:23:26.000 Well, I do with fighting, but it's like I've never really put myself out there in life.

00:23:30.000 So it's like to be in these kind of positions, it's just, it's all a lot for me.

00:23:35.000 Wow.

00:23:36.000 Well, it's amazing that the way you handle fighting...

00:23:38.000 You could handle this the same way you handle fighting.

00:23:41.000 You just get comfortable with it.

00:23:42.000 I think that...

00:23:44.000 I don't know.

00:23:44.000 For me, social situations are a lot harder than, like, fighting situations.

00:23:48.000 Wow!

00:23:48.000 That's crazy.

00:23:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:50.000 Has it always been like that?

00:23:51.000 A hundred percent.

00:23:52.000 Since you were a child?

00:23:53.000 Yeah.

00:23:54.000 I feel like I've always been, like, the socially awkward kid in the back of the class, like the nerds.

00:23:59.000 Well, I still am, like, at the gym.

00:24:02.000 But, um...

00:24:03.000 I volunteered with animals my whole life.

00:24:05.000 I volunteered at like the Humane Society, a horse rescue, wildlife rehab, but just like animals were my thing.

00:24:16.000 And then it was just kind of left field.

00:24:18.000 I started kickboxing when I was 16. Just for fun?

00:24:22.000 Yeah, I really don't know where it came, like, what the idea was.

00:24:26.000 Where'd you start?

00:24:27.000 What gym?

00:24:27.000 At Dean's Gym.

00:24:28.000 Oh, okay.

00:24:29.000 Wow, you got lucky.

00:24:30.000 So, exactly.

00:24:32.000 One of Dean's pro fighters worked for my dad.

00:24:35.000 So, I wanted to start kickboxing, and then my dad found out that this guy was a pro fighter for Dean.

00:24:40.000 So, he ended up finding his gym, and that was the first gym I started at.

00:24:44.000 Wow.

00:24:45.000 Wow, what a great place to start.

00:24:47.000 And so then you start kickboxing, and how long before you decide, well, what about this MMA stuff?

00:24:54.000 How long was that?

00:24:56.000 I think it was probably like four or five months before I started taking the MMA class there, but I wasn't like thinking about fighting.

00:25:02.000 It was just, there was a kid who was on the wrestling team at my high school who started training at Dean's Gym, and he was like, oh, why don't you take the MMA class?

00:25:10.000 And I thought, okay, I'll have a partner.

00:25:12.000 Why don't I try it?

00:25:13.000 And I just kept on doing it.

00:25:15.000 I was training like every day for like three hours a night, you know?

00:25:20.000 And they're like, all right, well, why don't we just get you a fight at this point?

00:25:25.000 Wow.

00:25:26.000 What was it about fighting and martial arts that you became so obsessed with?

00:25:34.000 I don't know what it was at first, because I didn't start Jiu Jitsu, especially in the Gi, until like a year after I started training.

00:25:41.000 But when I started Gi Jiu Jitsu, I fell in love with that 100%, where it's just the technique of it and the little tiny details of Jiu Jitsu that matter so much.

00:25:52.000 Like if you put your thumb on this side of the hand or on this side of the hand, it makes a huge difference.

00:25:57.000 It's like the little tiny techniques that can make the difference where now a 115-pound girl at the time could do whatever she wanted to a 200-pound guy.

00:26:07.000 You know, I was manhandling these guys around the room.

00:26:09.000 And I'm like, just because of these techniques that I learned.

00:26:12.000 And I thought that was awesome.

00:26:14.000 Yeah, that is an amazing thing.

00:26:16.000 Jiu-Jitsu is the one martial art that delivers as promised, where the smaller trained person can defeat the larger untrained person.

00:26:25.000 Whereas a lot of other martial arts, I mean, you have a better chance, but when they're really big... 0.99

00:26:32.000 You know, and some guy's swinging, if he knows how to punch a little bit and you get clubbed with one of those giant hams, you get fucked up. 0.99

00:26:39.000 But if you get into a struggle, like some sort of a scramble, and you knock into some chairs and all of a sudden you get a hold of this person, now he's fucked. 0.99

00:26:48.000 That's what's crazy. 0.95

00:26:49.000 It's like that a small person can physically control and submit a much stronger person regularly.

00:26:58.000 It happens all the time.

00:26:59.000 It happens with black belts.

00:27:01.000 Even in striking, it's like a person cannot know anything, but if they're big enough, they throw their hand the right way, they can knock you out.

00:27:08.000 Yeah.

00:27:08.000 If you get hit with Francis Ngannou's pinky, you're in trouble.

00:27:12.000 Exactly.

00:27:13.000 There's certain people that are so powerful.

00:27:15.000 The idea that you're going to stand and trade with them is crazy. 0.96

00:27:17.000 They're going to hit you once and you're dead.

00:27:21.000 It just doesn't work that well.

00:27:23.000 Jiu-jitsu is just there's not the variant of space.

00:27:27.000 So there's not that element of guessing where it's like I can control and I can feel what you're going to do by touching you.

00:27:34.000 It's like it makes it a lot easier.

00:27:35.000 You're not guessing with that space of striking.

00:27:37.000 You're also not guessing the variables like how fast is this person?

00:27:42.000 How fast am I accustomed to people punching me?

00:27:44.000 Is this person much faster?

00:27:46.000 Do I have to anticipate that? 0.99

00:27:48.000 Because if you ever see, like, street fight videos, the most horrific ones are some poor asshole who wants to start a fight with someone who's a trained fighter, and the trained fighter fucks them up. 0.98

00:27:59.000 But you could see, like, they have no idea how fast things can happen. 0.98

00:28:04.000 Like, I'm sure you've seen the Joe Schilling one. 0.98

00:28:07.000 The Joe Shilling one's ridiculous! 0.99

00:28:09.000 But there's no way that guy could have known that that could happen that quickly. 0.96

00:28:13.000 There's no way.

00:28:14.000 And people don't expect, like, for someone like me, a lot of times I get, oh, I would never guess that you're a fighter.

00:28:21.000 For someone like Joe Shilling, it's still even like, oh yeah, you wouldn't, like, just see him.

00:28:24.000 Looks like an ex-murderer.

00:28:26.000 You just see him walking around.

00:28:27.000 Like, most people, you don't expect that they're...

00:28:30.000 Joe Shilling, you don't expect it? 1.00

00:28:31.000 He looks like a psycho to me. 0.99

00:28:33.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:28:33.000 But say, like, Ryan Hall. 0.99

00:28:35.000 Ridenhall is a great example.

00:28:37.000 You don't expect him to be a fighter, but it's like you never know what somebody's capable of when it comes to sports like this.

00:28:42.000 Oh, for sure with jiu-jitsu, Mikey Musumechi.

00:28:44.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:28:45.000 That's the best example.

00:28:46.000 Mikey is a stone-cold killer, and he looks like a guy who comes over to fix your computer. 0.94

00:28:54.000 He looks like the friendliest super nerd. 0.99

00:28:57.000 Oh, this video's horrible.

00:28:59.000 This is a street fight in a parking garage.

00:29:01.000 Have you seen this?

00:29:02.000 No. 0.99

00:29:03.000 These guys start fucking with this dude in a parking garage. 0.98

00:29:05.000 The guy's trying to get away. 0.99

00:29:06.000 No, he fucked the other guy up before this. 0.97

00:29:08.000 This is the shorter version. 0.97

00:29:09.000 Okay, this is the shorter version.

00:29:11.000 So this guy, he's like, come on, you want some?

00:29:14.000 And he moves forward.

00:29:15.000 This guy's leg kicks him. 0.64

00:29:17.000 And then this is where it gets ugly. 0.99

00:29:21.000 Punches him. 0.83

00:29:22.000 Bam! 0.98

00:29:23.000 So Yeah, you don't want that like what like it's it's It's awesome to see that stuff works, right, for people.

00:29:37.000 Like, hey, this is real.

00:29:38.000 Someone tries to attack you, you have an upper hand.

00:29:41.000 But also, like, what are you doing? 1.00

00:29:43.000 These fucking people. 0.99

00:29:45.000 I've never been in a street fight in my life. 1.00

00:29:48.000 Good for you.

00:29:48.000 I don't intend to ever.

00:29:50.000 I don't get it.

00:29:52.000 I don't see a use for fighting outside the cage for me.

00:29:57.000 There's a lot of people with anger management issues.

00:30:00.000 And then there's criminals too.

00:30:02.000 You know, bad folks.

00:30:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:04.000 Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff in the world.

00:30:06.000 But just for me, I think it's fascinating that you are more afraid of social interaction than you're afraid of cage fighting.

00:30:16.000 That might be one of the greatest lines that anyone has ever said.

00:30:20.000 I think that's going to get you a lot of fans.

00:30:23.000 For real.

00:30:23.000 For me, it's just like literally I never really did any kind of interviews or media or anything like that until I got in the tough house.

00:30:32.000 So that's going from absolutely zero to 100%.

00:30:36.000 What was that like?

00:30:38.000 You were like 22 at the time?

00:30:40.000 Yeah, I was 22 and I was having interviews every day, cameras on you 24-7.

00:30:45.000 Literally after every single interview I had to go and change my shirt because I'd be dripping sweat like I just got out the sauna.

00:30:51.000 Whoa.

00:30:51.000 Just so nervous after every single interview.

00:30:55.000 Do you think they brought you into the house knowing that you were nervous too?

00:30:59.000 Like that you're a little socially awkward in that regard and like that maybe that would make good television?

00:31:04.000 I guess I never thought of it in that way.

00:31:07.000 Obviously they brought you in because you're skillful, but they also cast that show as a reality show.

00:31:13.000 It's a very cleverly done show.

00:31:16.000 It's smart, the way they do it. 0.97

00:31:18.000 Even with what they're doing now with Conor McGregor and Michael Chandler, it's great, but perfect shit-talking when Conor tells them, you'll do as you're told. 0.97

00:31:30.000 It's amazing. 0.94

00:31:31.000 Kale, I hope that fight takes place.

00:31:33.000 But it's such a show, right?

00:31:35.000 So it's not just an athletic competition.

00:31:37.000 It's also they want to make sure the people are fun.

00:31:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:40.000 Our season seemed pretty, like, tame, though, I feel like, in general.

00:31:44.000 We had a lot of...

00:31:45.000 There was me and Montana De La Rosa were the two, like, younger girls.

00:31:49.000 And then everybody else, I feel like, was, like, older and more mature.

00:31:52.000 Like, around, like, at least, like, 30s.

00:31:54.000 And, like, they were, like...

00:31:56.000 I don't know.

00:31:57.000 Nobody was trying to start drama.

00:31:58.000 Nobody was trying to get in each other's faces or we didn't have any altercations.

00:32:02.000 It was a pretty chill season.

00:32:04.000 That's great.

00:32:05.000 So no one ever encourages any bickering or anything like that? 1.00

00:32:09.000 They don't ever tell you, hey, you know, this bitch has been saying some shit. 1.00

00:32:13.000 Does anybody ever do that? 0.99

00:32:14.000 No, nobody ever really does anything like that, but it's just like the boredom gets to you, if anything else.

00:32:19.000 It's like, I feel like...

00:32:21.000 No phones, right?

00:32:22.000 No phones, no TV, no music, no books, no nothing.

00:32:26.000 No books?

00:32:27.000 Nothing at all.

00:32:28.000 Oh my god.

00:32:29.000 Nothing?

00:32:30.000 So it's like...

00:32:31.000 Can you have a notebook?

00:32:32.000 You're allowed to get a notebook and then they gave us, we asked for coloring books and they gave us sketch pads.

00:32:40.000 Oh my god, I think I would go nuts.

00:32:41.000 That sounds like one of those anti-tech retreats, you know?

00:32:46.000 Exactly.

00:32:46.000 Where they try to weed people off their tech addictions.

00:32:50.000 I was just talking to one of the boys who's actually on the Conor McGregor season over the weekend, and he said the exact same thing as me.

00:32:57.000 He was like, it was the best and worst experience of my life.

00:33:01.000 Because it's like, when you're in the gym, there's so many highs, it's so great.

00:33:04.000 But then when you go back to the house, you're just sitting there for hours, and you're bored, and it sucks.

00:33:10.000 What do you guys do to kill time?

00:33:12.000 Can you play games?

00:33:13.000 They used to have pool, right?

00:33:15.000 Yeah, I think they had a pool table and a chess table and then they have the list where you can order anything.

00:33:20.000 Oh, so you could order like Monopoly? 0.94

00:33:22.000 Yeah, so we would order a bunch of bullshit just to try and entertain ourselves. 0.99

00:33:26.000 God. 0.98

00:33:27.000 Did you have good conversations?

00:33:31.000 Or was it weird because you're all competitors?

00:33:33.000 It's weird.

00:33:34.000 Well, not because we're competitors, because I'm weird.

00:33:41.000 That's awesome.

00:33:42.000 I felt like, especially back then, I wasn't able to just, I don't know, acclimate to that.

00:33:49.000 Going into a house with 16 different girls that I don't really know.

00:33:52.000 Right.

00:33:53.000 Yeah, a completely alien experience.

00:33:57.000 And you're feeling a little bit awkward, and you're also 22. And then also, bam!

00:34:02.000 Now you're on TV. And it's my first time, like, really, like, leaving home, I would say, you know, for a long period of time.

00:34:08.000 So it was definitely a big experience, like, a lot to dig on.

00:34:12.000 How long ago was that now?

00:34:14.000 Six years?

00:34:15.000 Six years.

00:34:16.000 So would you say that now you're entering into your fighting prime?

00:34:21.000 Do you think that's happening right now?

00:34:23.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:23.000 I think this is, like, just the beginning of my prime.

00:34:25.000 I'm just getting into where I've really found the right combination for everything, and I feel like I'm just getting better every fight.

00:34:32.000 Are you ranked right now?

00:34:34.000 Where are you at?

00:34:35.000 My next fight is against the number 15 girl, Tabitha Rickey. 1.00

00:34:40.000 Interesting.

00:34:41.000 She's tough.

00:34:43.000 That'll be fun.

00:34:43.000 That'll be a good one.

00:34:44.000 Yeah, it's coming up quick, June 24th.

00:34:46.000 Oh, wow.

00:34:47.000 That is quick.

00:34:48.000 What is your ideal camp size in terms of weeks?

00:34:53.000 I would say probably about six to eight weeks.

00:34:56.000 I like just to get focused on that opponent, really start breaking down their style and game planning for them specifically.

00:35:03.000 But it's like with the UFC, you never know what you're getting.

00:35:07.000 Right, like how often do they call you last minute?

00:35:10.000 I've gotten a handful of last minute ones and then I feel like it's almost just as bad getting like the ones 16 weeks out and things like that because you're just sitting there waiting for so long.

00:35:21.000 Or you run the risk of overtraining.

00:35:24.000 Have you ever done that?

00:35:25.000 When it peaked too early in a camp?

00:35:28.000 I feel like I train year-round no matter what.

00:35:30.000 So it's like it's never really like we're...

00:35:32.000 We push it the last couple weeks, but that's about it.

00:35:35.000 So you're just always training so hard that you can essentially take...

00:35:39.000 Well, that's great if you want to take a short-notice fight.

00:35:40.000 Yeah.

00:35:41.000 Because you're always prepared.

00:35:42.000 I train probably about four or five hours in the morning and about an hour at night, even if I'm off camp.

00:35:47.000 Like in camp, out of camp, it doesn't matter.

00:35:49.000 Wow.

00:35:49.000 On the same schedule.

00:35:51.000 Just obsession.

00:35:52.000 Yeah, I got nothing better to do.

00:35:57.000 But I mean, what an amazing way to get better.

00:35:59.000 You know, I mean, when you think about grappling and think about Gordon Ryan, no one doubts that he's the best no-geek grappler ever, right? 1.00

00:36:08.000 But no one also doubts that he works 365 days a year.

00:36:12.000 Like, that's an insane work schedule.

00:36:15.000 And these are insane results.

00:36:17.000 And you're essentially doing that in MMA. That's what I think you see with, like, a lot of black belts or, like, people who are at a high level is they stop drilling.

00:36:26.000 They stop doing the stuff that, like, Gordon Ryan still drills every day, and that's why he's so good at what he does.

00:36:31.000 And it's like, people at a high level in MMA, they're just doing what the black belts do and sitting on the side until it's time to roll, you know? 1.00

00:36:38.000 And it's like, you gotta be drilling every day.

00:36:40.000 You gotta be putting in the hours, like...

00:36:43.000 My coaches are there with me every hour of the day if I wanted for them to be, you know?

00:36:48.000 They're willing to put in the work.

00:36:50.000 And like I said, as fighters, we got nothing better to do.

00:36:53.000 This is what we do.

00:36:54.000 Like, you got to treat it as like you're going to school a doctorate, you know?

00:36:59.000 Well, I think that approach, your approach is perfect.

00:37:02.000 That's the right way to do it.

00:37:03.000 I really do.

00:37:04.000 But everybody's different.

00:37:06.000 People have different ways of fighting, different ways of approaching fighting.

00:37:10.000 Some are much more chaotic than you and your style.

00:37:14.000 But I think that's the best way to look at it.

00:37:19.000 And I think too often...

00:37:22.000 People love to roll because rolling is so fun.

00:37:25.000 It's so fun that you just don't even want to do all that other stuff. 0.98

00:37:28.000 Let me get warmed up a little bit and let's fucking go. 0.97

00:37:31.000 Let's go. 0.99

00:37:32.000 You just want to go because it's so exciting.

00:37:34.000 It's the most fun thing.

00:37:35.000 And it's exercise.

00:37:37.000 So it's like engaging intellectually.

00:37:39.000 It's physically.

00:37:40.000 It's emotionally engaging. 1.00

00:37:41.000 It's like sometimes you're like, fuck! 1.00

00:37:42.000 Like you're going to tap and you don't. 1.00

00:37:45.000 And there's a lot going on.

00:37:46.000 There's battles going on.

00:37:48.000 And it's a great workout.

00:37:50.000 And if you can do it, and if you can do it on a regular basis, it could change your life.

00:37:57.000 It could change your life.

00:37:58.000 And it's available to everybody. 0.80

00:37:59.000 Like this idea that it's all brutes.

00:38:01.000 When you go to 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, you see these dudes look like skateboarders and surfers and they'll strangle you.

00:38:07.000 It's weird.

00:38:08.000 It's like, they're super nerd assassins.

00:38:11.000 There's a ton of them, and you're one of them on the female side. 1.00

00:38:15.000 Yeah, I feel like that's, I don't know, for me, it's like I said, I've never been someone athletic.

00:38:20.000 I volunteered with animals growing up, you know?

00:38:22.000 I was always the quiet kid in the back of the class, and it's like, just, I don't know, with jiu-jitsu, it's being able to be that, like, I don't know, be that voice in a way, you know?

00:38:33.000 Being that way to express myself, and it's, I feel like, It was just completely not who I was when I was little.

00:38:43.000 It's a complete left field.

00:38:45.000 But it's you.

00:38:46.000 You're just growing.

00:38:47.000 This is the new you.

00:38:50.000 Right?

00:38:50.000 I mean, it is you.

00:38:52.000 If you continue and you become champion, you're going to have to do a lot of this shit. 1.00

00:38:57.000 Oh yeah? 1.00

00:38:58.000 You're going to have to do a lot of this shit. 0.99

00:39:02.000 I mean, how many fights do you think you are away from a title shot? 0.99

00:39:06.000 It's a stacked division.

00:39:08.000 I don't think I'm too far away from it currently.

00:39:10.000 I think that after this fight, I would like...

00:39:15.000 I'm not looking past Tabitha at all, but I'm also looking at the trajectory of where I'm going.

00:39:23.000 Obviously, Mackenzie Dern just put on a great performance a couple weeks ago. 1.00

00:39:27.000 She has the second most submissions in women's history, and I have the first.

00:39:33.000 I think...

00:39:34.000 I would like to, you know, just solidify that.

00:39:37.000 Everybody calls her the submission queen, even though I'm like, I have more than her.

00:39:41.000 Well, she's pretty awesome, but you are too.

00:39:44.000 That would be a crazy fight.

00:39:45.000 And I think then after that fight, I wouldn't be too far away from the title fight.

00:39:50.000 I was very impressed with her against Angela Hill.

00:39:53.000 Angela Hill is so tough.

00:39:56.000 She was taking so many shots.

00:39:58.000 Like, oh my god.

00:40:00.000 And she would not give up that armbar.

00:40:03.000 Like, so many times, Mackenzie came so close to getting that armbar, and Angela was just not giving up. 0.67

00:40:09.000 I think that's the best Mackenzie we've seen so far.

00:40:12.000 Ever.

00:40:13.000 It was incredible.

00:40:16.000 Incredible performance.

00:40:17.000 And super aggressive, too.

00:40:19.000 Exactly.

00:40:20.000 That's what I feel like was so beneficial for her.

00:40:22.000 She doesn't have to worry about getting taken down, typically.

00:40:25.000 So she can be a little bit reckless and come in with those strikes, and that's exactly what she needed to do with Angela Hill, and she was able to do it. 0.60

00:40:32.000 And she's dangerous on her feet now, too.

00:40:34.000 It used to be just the ground.

00:40:36.000 But now she's winging bombs. 1.00

00:40:38.000 She hit Angela with a knee. 1.00

00:40:40.000 You know, she's very dangerous. 0.67

00:40:41.000 He says she doesn't have to be scared, you know, so she can throw, overcommit to any strike, throw with all her power.

00:40:48.000 And it doesn't matter because it's like, put me on my back.

00:40:50.000 Like, thank you.

00:40:51.000 Like, come into my guard. 0.99

00:40:52.000 Yeah, there's guards, you know, and then some, I mean, her guard is fucking nasty. 1.00

00:40:57.000 Her guard is so high level. 0.98

00:40:59.000 Everything she does is so high level.

00:41:00.000 It's like, when you can watch jiu-jitsu like that in MMA, like a real world champion, when it goes to the ground, like, her, like, moving from position to position to position to finally securing it, it's like, woof!

00:41:12.000 It's so quick.

00:41:13.000 She's so good.

00:41:14.000 So good and so technical.

00:41:15.000 You know her dad's a legend. 0.97

00:41:17.000 It's just like that kind of like high-level jiu-jitsu and MMA some of my favorite shit to watch.

00:41:23.000 You know there's there's certain people that just have either one or two elite high-level moves that they could pull off and when they do it you just like you're doing this to the best of the best in the world and I feel like with Jiu Jitsu, it's just like, I don't know, just moving with people so much.

00:41:44.000 I feel like it's so impressive to watch how people can just float on top of people.

00:41:47.000 It's like knowing when to control and when to release, almost, you know?

00:41:52.000 When you really need it.

00:41:54.000 Some people are specialists at control, but for someone like me, I feel like I'm better at flowing, you know?

00:41:59.000 And letting people make their own mistakes and fall into things, whereas someone like Khabib is that pressure kind of fighter.

00:42:05.000 Right.

00:42:06.000 You're better at finding the openings as you threaten them in different areas and just move into position and hold it.

00:42:13.000 Not necessarily me threatening them, but them falling into their own mistake.

00:42:18.000 I feel like I'm just sitting there doing damage until I see the opening, until I see my opportunity, until I see that one mistake that you made and I capitalize on it.

00:42:30.000 And is this how you've always done it, or is this something you're doing now better than you've ever done before?

00:42:36.000 This is something I'm definitely doing now better than I've ever done before.

00:42:40.000 Was this the same approach that you had in the beginning of your career when you first started?

00:42:43.000 I don't think as much, just because now I feel like I went from a jujitsu girl who did MMA to an MMA fighter more.

00:42:51.000 Whereas now, a lot of my early submissions were arm bars off my back.

00:42:57.000 Where I was just comfortable playing guard.

00:42:59.000 I didn't care because I was good at jujitsu.

00:43:02.000 Whereas now I'm always looking to do damage wherever I'm at.

00:43:07.000 Typically, I like to sit on top and do heavy ground and pound and heavy top pressure until they're like, alright, we need to get this girl off me. 1.00

00:43:15.000 I need to stand up.

00:43:16.000 And then that's when I capitalize.

00:43:19.000 Typically, a lot of times off the stand-up is where I find my choke.

00:43:22.000 Or if they're just staying on their back is where my arm bar opens up.

00:43:25.000 Or like head and arms, other opportunities where I just don't like to give up that top position.

00:43:31.000 Yeah, top position is so important.

00:43:33.000 If you can control the top, it's just much easier for you than it is for the other pro.

00:43:38.000 And it's also kind of humiliating.

00:43:40.000 Someone's on top of you in front of all these people punching you in the face.

00:43:43.000 It's also just a lot to carry on top of you.

00:43:45.000 It makes you gas, makes it heavy.

00:43:47.000 I feel like nobody understands the cardio that it takes to get up and get down and get up and get down in MMA versus if you're just doing jujitsu or you're just doing kickboxing rounds.

00:43:58.000 Once you mix it all together, it changes the pace.

00:44:03.000 Clearly, yeah.

00:44:04.000 I remember one of the most brilliant things that when George St. Pierre fought BJ Penn, he wanted to grapple with him immediately.

00:44:11.000 He wanted to really get a hold of him right away to wear his arms out.

00:44:14.000 He goes, I wanted his arms to be filled with blood.

00:44:17.000 So, like, it changes.

00:44:19.000 It changes your ability to throw punches.

00:44:20.000 Changes your ability to get snap-off, to explode.

00:44:23.000 You're kind of gassed out because you've been pummeling and trying to avoid being taken to the ground.

00:44:28.000 People don't know when they see your fights, these exchanges against the cage.

00:44:34.000 Those are some of the most grueling moments in all of MMA. Just the battle to see who wins this thing.

00:44:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:44.000 Especially against the cage.

00:44:45.000 Honestly, a lot of those battles, I'm just like, if we can find an opportunity to break off, I'm willing to.

00:44:51.000 Because it's like, if I didn't get the takedown initially, then I'm just going to be grueling.

00:44:56.000 Like you said, it's going to be hard work to get them down.

00:44:59.000 Where it's like, let's break off reset and find the opportunity, find the right timing for the takedown instead of sitting here and just grinding it out and just tiring both of us out.

00:45:10.000 It's such an interesting time for MMA because you're seeing people like yourself that are young and grew up with it and got to watch it on television.

00:45:23.000 What was the first MMA fight that you ever saw?

00:45:26.000 I think the first one that I ever watched was Jon Jones and I think it was Rashad Evans.

00:45:32.000 So you were watching at a very high level as opposed to a lot of the people that like even Jon Jones, the stuff he got to see was stuff from 10 years before that.

00:45:44.000 And like the kids of today, kids like yourself, like you, the people growing up now, you guys have the most amazing library of champions to study in all the different forms of martial arts. 0.90

00:45:58.000 And to see people like yourself that are putting it together so obsessively and to watch it succeed over and over again inside the octagon, it's fucking cool. 0.88

00:46:08.000 I love it.

00:46:09.000 It's such an exciting time.

00:46:11.000 I feel like it's the beginning of MMA as a sport where it's like for so long it's been jujitsu guys who do a little bit of striking or like wrestlers or strikers but now it's like it's people putting it together and making styles and systems based upon these things where it's like I feel like,

00:46:31.000 honestly, Dean, obviously I work with him, but he's one of the best in trying to innovate, and that's why I appreciate his mind so much of just trying to make it MMA as a sport whenever he's on the techniques that he has me drilling, where I feel like it's like Donaher innovated the no-gi game with leg locks.

00:46:51.000 It's like we need to change this from being kickboxing, jiu-jitsu, and wrestling to being mixed martial arts.

00:46:57.000 Dean always has awesome input whenever we're doing the shows and that they cut to him.

00:47:01.000 He'll always point out something that I probably missed.

00:47:03.000 And when you're watching these high-level people that are coming up right now, there is still the room for the specialist.

00:47:11.000 There's still the room for the Anderson Silva-style striking.

00:47:15.000 The problem with all fights is they all start standing up.

00:47:19.000 And if you are standing up with a guy like Alex Pajeda, you're in a world of danger.

00:47:25.000 This is a terrifying world.

00:47:27.000 Like, so there are still those specialists that are so goddamn dangerous at this one aspect of the game that they can get through.

00:47:33.000 And the problem with, like, I always wonder, will there be, like, because Israel is a striking specialist too.

00:47:42.000 But will there be an MMA fighter that is complete everywhere to the point where they can stand with a world champion kickboxer?

00:47:52.000 Is that a real thing?

00:47:54.000 Or is that only a few freaks?

00:47:57.000 It seems like in order to be a world champion kickboxer, you have to really dedicate yourself only to striking.

00:48:02.000 The timing that's involved, the distance, you're not thinking about takedowns, you're not thinking about anything else.

00:48:07.000 For you to be a world champion MMA fighter, you have to be well versed in so many different things.

00:48:13.000 Do you really have the time to dedicate to get to the kickboxing level that this guy is?

00:48:17.000 And every fight starts kickboxing.

00:48:20.000 Every fight starts way apart from each other.

00:48:23.000 And when you got a guy like Pajeda moving towards you with that crazy style, you're like, oh, Jesus Christ! 0.99

00:48:29.000 Or Adesanya standing in front of you, moving, and you're like, this motherfucker has to be three moves ahead. 1.00

00:48:35.000 We haven't even started exchanging yet. 0.98

00:48:38.000 Yeah, I guess you gotta hope to get those guys in their back quick.

00:48:41.000 I know!

00:48:42.000 That's what I'm saying!

00:48:43.000 But it's interesting to watch the evolution of Robert Whittaker.

00:48:46.000 You know, because Robert Whittaker, he evolved so much more from the first fight to the second fight.

00:48:51.000 He got so much better.

00:48:53.000 Yeah, no, I don't know.

00:48:55.000 It's definitely, when you have a good striker, it's hard to, obviously, like we discussed earlier with the space, you know, you can never guess what's going to happen.

00:49:03.000 But it's just like, I feel like if you are a good grappler or a good wrestler and you are able to get it to the MAC, you can be that much more effective than having a good striker in front of you.

00:49:13.000 Yes.

00:49:13.000 Well, you certainly can.

00:49:14.000 The difference is you can control what's happening.

00:49:18.000 If you can get someone and you get on top of them, right?

00:49:20.000 What I always wonder is, like, I wonder if there are the people like Pajeda or of that ilk, Cedric Dumbay, who I think is now going to fight for PFL. Have you ever seen that guy fight?

00:49:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:33.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:49:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:35.000 He's a glory world champion kickboxer, and he's a bad man.

00:49:40.000 And he has a crazy work ethic too.

00:49:44.000 He used my gym when he was in town, and he has a coach.

00:49:48.000 And they do these strength and conditioning routines.

00:49:50.000 Excuse me.

00:49:54.000 They do these strength and conditioning routines where...

00:49:57.000 It's like one round of sprinting on one of those self-propelled treadmills, and then one round of going hard on the bag, and then one round of plyos, and they're just rotating back and forth between all these different exercises.

00:50:12.000 His cardio is off the charts.

00:50:14.000 And he's like, that's it.

00:50:16.000 That's the game plan.

00:50:18.000 The game plan is you put heat on them with technique and athleticism and strategy.

00:50:23.000 When you put heat on them, they can't keep up.

00:50:25.000 They're not going to work that hard.

00:50:27.000 If you get to that level of fitness, Like, you can have this extra thing that other people just don't have.

00:50:34.000 And Cedric Dumbe has that extra thing.

00:50:36.000 But can he wrestle?

00:50:38.000 Like, is he going to be able to stuff takedowns?

00:50:40.000 How are these guys going to deal with getting him to the ground?

00:50:43.000 Because as you're moving in on him, you can get any second you get knocked unconscious.

00:50:47.000 It can come out of nowhere, and he might just take a wild shot at you because he doesn't want to get taken down.

00:50:52.000 Maybe he says, let's see, let me just throw a head kick.

00:50:56.000 I like watching that, too.

00:50:59.000 I love watching someone like yourself.

00:51:01.000 I love watching these MMA fighters of today.

00:51:04.000 They're these full, complete artists.

00:51:07.000 Get some of his highlights.

00:51:09.000 Not the training highlights, but I know he's been doing a lot of MMA training.

00:51:12.000 But go to his kickboxing highlights.

00:51:14.000 His kickboxing highlights are preposterous.

00:51:17.000 He's a bad man.

00:51:20.000 And he's got some vicious knockouts. 0.94

00:51:22.000 And he's just clever in there.

00:51:25.000 He's just clever.

00:51:26.000 I love the- and he's fighting that guy's Nikki Holtzkin, who's a beast. 0.98

00:51:30.000 I mean, Doombay is- and constant pressure.

00:51:34.000 Like, you don't get breaks with him.

00:51:36.000 If you get a break, it's because he wants you to have a break.

00:51:39.000 I mean, he just swarms on dudes.

00:51:41.000 I just feel like if you look at that pressure in MMA, it's like it would be impossible to maintain with the variable of takedowns.

00:51:49.000 Look at that.

00:51:49.000 It would be impossible.

00:51:51.000 You're true.

00:51:52.000 It's absolutely.

00:51:53.000 Watch this when he misses.

00:51:55.000 Look at this.

00:51:59.000 Just chilling.

00:51:59.000 He's actually a comedian.

00:52:01.000 Oh, wow.

00:52:01.000 He's a comedian in France.

00:52:03.000 Oh, wow.

00:52:04.000 It's crazy.

00:52:06.000 He's one of the best kickboxers alive.

00:52:09.000 Multi-talented.

00:52:10.000 Very multi-talented.

00:52:11.000 Super funny guy too.

00:52:13.000 And he, you know, if he can figure out the grappling, my question is always like, is it better to be well-rounded or is it better to be a specialist?

00:52:22.000 I used to think it'd be better to be a specialist wrestler.

00:52:24.000 I felt like, and I still think that to a certain extent, that at least the base beginning of amateur wrestling Those guys seem to be the toughest.

00:52:32.000 They seem to be, they have the most mental fortitude.

00:52:35.000 The grind of becoming a successful wrestler is unlike any other athletic pursuit that I ever, I only wrestled in high school for one year is one of the hardest things in my life. 0.98

00:52:43.000 It's fucking hard! 0.77

00:52:45.000 But these guys are, it's particularly good at the most important thing. 0.98

00:52:50.000 Getting the fight to the ground and getting on top of people, right?

00:52:53.000 That's the number one thing.

00:52:54.000 Those guys are the best at it.

00:52:55.000 So I felt like that's like the cornerstone.

00:52:58.000 But every fight does start standing up.

00:53:01.000 And so then you get a guy like Mirko Krokop, who figures out how stuffed takedowns, and now you're dealing with one of the most elite kickboxers alive.

00:53:08.000 And it's horrifying, right?

00:53:10.000 So I always wonder, like, what is the best approach?

00:53:14.000 Do you think it's to be a fully-rounded mixed martial artist putting all your time in all these different things?

00:53:20.000 Or do you think maybe there's some room for the idea of, like, the world champion specialist?

00:53:27.000 I think it's best to focus on everything.

00:53:30.000 Try to make yourself a mixed martial artist.

00:53:31.000 I think if you are a specialist to begin with, say like someone like him who's a world champion kickboxer, you probably shouldn't be investing all your time into jiu-jitsu at that point.

00:53:44.000 You should probably...

00:53:45.000 Stay the specialist.

00:53:46.000 Go to MMA and learn how to defend takedowns.

00:53:50.000 You shouldn't be learning how to finish arm bars necessarily.

00:53:54.000 Putting a gi on day one.

00:53:56.000 You don't need to learn that at this point.

00:53:58.000 You should focus on what you're good at.

00:54:00.000 But if you are day one, I think you should focus on everything and putting everything all together.

00:54:05.000 Because it's like...

00:54:06.000 I can have someone who is a better wrestler than me, but I can guarantee you they won't want to stay in my guard, you know?

00:54:12.000 For me especially, I think the two most important are striking and jujitsu because they are the finishing elements.

00:54:20.000 So it's like those are the ways I can take people out of the fight, where it's like wrestling, I can control a little bit more, but I don't have any finishing options.

00:54:28.000 Well, that's a brilliant way of looking at it.

00:54:30.000 I think you're right.

00:54:31.000 I think if you're starting from the beginning, I think learning everything would be very advantageous.

00:54:35.000 Because you wouldn't want to think you're safer than you are.

00:54:40.000 And then someone takes you down at will and you're like, oh, Jesus.

00:54:42.000 You're like, if you just learned martial arts, like striking martial arts, and you don't know.

00:54:46.000 Maybe I should learn jujitsu.

00:54:47.000 Maybe I need to learn a little bit of this stuff.

00:54:48.000 That's probably not the moment to learn.

00:54:49.000 No.

00:54:50.000 But I do think there's some room for people that...

00:54:53.000 At least if you come, maybe it's like if you get to a certain age, maybe at a certain age you must go all in on all MMA. But if you could be a specialist early in your life, like if you're a specialist in striking, I think, maybe early in your life, you would have a, like if you look at all the best kickboxers and even all the best boxers for the most part, A lot of them start when they're very young.

00:55:16.000 It seems to be like striking for some reason.

00:55:19.000 I think there's freaks.

00:55:20.000 There's people that just learn it.

00:55:22.000 And even when they're in their 30s, they can learn it and they get really good at it.

00:55:25.000 But for a lot of people, there's something about the timing of striking that if you don't pick it up when you're really young, you don't really achieve this sort of...

00:55:33.000 There's like a plateau for a lot of folks.

00:55:35.000 Have you ever noticed that?

00:55:37.000 For me, striking has never been my forte.

00:55:41.000 I started striking before I started jiu-jitsu.

00:55:44.000 Jiu-jitsu just clicked for me.

00:55:46.000 Striking, I feel like, it just takes that little bit more athleticism, I guess, where it's like, I'm not the most athletic fighter, so I feel like I can't really use my mind to just make quicker decisions in striking as much as I can in jiu-jitsu where it's easier to do.

00:56:03.000 Well, that's a brilliant way to do it.

00:56:05.000 I think, you know, especially for your mind and your approach, striking is just a means to an end, right?

00:56:14.000 You're just trying to strangle people.

00:56:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:56:17.000 And I'm not going to say I'm never going to have a knockout because obviously I want – that's the goal is to be able to develop power.

00:56:23.000 But it's just – It's so much easier for a heavyweight to just throw his fist and knock somebody out.

00:56:28.000 Where someone, a girl, any of the 25 or 15 or just the smaller girls, it's really hard to develop that kind of power unless you're born with it.

00:56:38.000 Well, that's why Valentina is so scary. 1.00

00:56:41.000 Valentina Shevchenko, when she landed that head kick on Jessica I, I was like...

00:56:48.000 That was nasty.

00:56:50.000 Oh yeah, nasty knockouts like that with girls, I feel like it's just, they're not common. 1.00

00:56:53.000 So when you see them, it's like, you gotta have respect for that girl. 1.00

00:56:56.000 Yeah, well Valentina, that fucking left high kick, holy shit. 1.00

00:57:01.000 And she set it up to the body before that. 1.00

00:57:03.000 She's so good, and she's always light on her toes.

00:57:07.000 Her style is so interesting.

00:57:11.000 She lost the title now, obviously, and I would love to see the rematch because the fight was awesome.

00:57:18.000 But if you look at the best moments in her career, she's always moving, always on her toes.

00:57:26.000 Perfect technique with striking.

00:57:28.000 She's rarely out of position.

00:57:30.000 I feel like that's one of the things I've always admired about her.

00:57:33.000 It's hard to do what Alexa did, is to be able to get her out of position and be able to capitalize on it. 0.97

00:57:39.000 Get her to mentally not be there for a split second and be able to see that opportunity. 0.99

00:57:44.000 Isn't it crazy that she did it off a spinning back kick? 1.00

00:57:48.000 I feel like Valentina was just kind of like, this chick won't go away. 0.96

00:57:52.000 I thought this was going to be easier.

00:57:54.000 And she started making, like, not the smartest decisions.

00:57:57.000 You really think that's what happened?

00:57:58.000 You don't think maybe it was just fatigue?

00:58:00.000 I think a little bit of that, but a little bit of frustration maybe, too.

00:58:03.000 Just, like, Valentina was winning the fight and had a lot of good opportunities, but Alexa, like, Alexa was the only one walking in there knowing that she was going to win that fight no matter what that night. 0.98

00:58:14.000 Well, is that real?

00:58:17.000 Can you know that you're going to win no matter what?

00:58:19.000 You could have that attitude.

00:58:21.000 You could say afterwards, I knew I was going to win no matter what.

00:58:25.000 That's two world titles that were essentially lost to a spinning back kick miss.

00:58:31.000 You ever see Chris Weidman?

00:58:34.000 When Chris Weidman fought Luke Rockhold, he was winning the fight.

00:58:40.000 It was like a really good fight.

00:58:41.000 And then he throws a spinning back kick. 0.96

00:58:43.000 And he misses and Luke Rockhold takes him to the ground and beats the fuck out of him. 0.93

00:58:47.000 And it was a horrible beating. 0.59

00:58:49.000 It was a really dominant performance by Rockhold.

00:58:52.000 It was hard to watch.

00:58:54.000 And he lost the title.

00:58:57.000 And then you look at Valentina, same thing.

00:59:00.000 Spinning back kick, misses.

00:59:02.000 Alexa Grosso gets her, gets her back, chokes her. 1.00

00:59:04.000 Crazy.

00:59:06.000 It's like two world titles on a spinning back kick, miss.

00:59:09.000 I feel like it was just like, I don't know, it wasn't a smart thing.

00:59:12.000 It was just like a lapse of thought for her for that second where she was just like, alright, I'm gonna throw this and Alexa just capitalized.

00:59:20.000 She saw the opportunity and took it.

00:59:21.000 Well, if she landed it, then it would have been something different.

00:59:24.000 She has a nasty spinning back kick. 1.00

00:59:26.000 She really does.

00:59:28.000 So this is Weidman and they were in the middle of this fight.

00:59:31.000 Weidman was moving forward on Rockhold. 1.00

00:59:36.000 Weidman was the fucking man. 1.00

00:59:37.000 This was a tough fight. 1.00

00:59:39.000 Very tough fight.

00:59:40.000 But Weidman's putting all this pressure on him, kicks him to the body.

00:59:43.000 Looks like he's putting it to him. 0.89

00:59:45.000 Head kick.

00:59:48.000 So right there, right there.

00:59:51.000 It's like he's beating him up, like he's big brothering him, right?

00:59:53.000 And he throws a lazy wheel kick.

00:59:57.000 And he gets taken down. 1.00

00:59:59.000 And now Luke Rockhold's a motherfucker on the ground. 1.00

01:00:03.000 And that boy's big. 1.00

01:00:05.000 Luke Rockhold's big.

01:00:06.000 You know, he made 185 for about 15 seconds.

01:00:09.000 Yeah.

01:00:10.000 He's well into the 200s, I'm sure, when he's fighting.

01:00:13.000 He's a big fellow. 0.99

01:00:14.000 Big, long, strong as shit with crazy top pressure. 0.99

01:00:18.000 And so here you go. 0.99

01:00:19.000 Weidman's exhausted now and I can't believe he's in this position.

01:00:22.000 It's a terrible position to be in.

01:00:24.000 Rockhold's training with DC. He's training with Khabib. 0.97

01:00:27.000 He's training with all those people down there.

01:00:29.000 All those animals in AKA. Cain Velasquez.

01:00:32.000 It's just a savage soup down there.

01:00:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:00:35.000 And so, Luke Rockhold, people forget, you know, people see some of his losses and see him in the later stages of his career. 0.99

01:00:42.000 When Luke Rockhold was a champ, and this right here that he won the title, this motherfucker had staph. 0.97

01:00:47.000 He came into this fight on antibiotics. 0.98

01:00:50.000 He's just gotten over staph.

01:00:51.000 You know how hard it is to get over it. 0.99

01:00:53.000 Antibiotics fuck you up. 0.98

01:00:55.000 And to be winning this fight in this way, Is in fucking credible and all off of Weidman missing one shot really look at me He's just beating the shit out of him It's hard to watch man because Weidman is like really kind of helpless at this point And he's so battered from these elbows and it's like and he's too tough He's so tough the guy will never quit and so this is this is one where I'm like maybe this could have been stopped earlier You could stop this at any second right here. 0.99

01:01:24.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.90

01:01:24.000 Like, don't you think? 0.90

01:01:25.000 It keeps going too.

01:01:26.000 Bro, this is crazy.

01:01:27.000 This is crazy.

01:01:28.000 That might have been the round.

01:01:31.000 Unbelievable punishment dished out.

01:01:33.000 I think it was the round even.

01:01:35.000 I think they keep going.

01:01:36.000 What?

01:01:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:38.000 Oh my gosh.

01:01:38.000 What?

01:01:41.000 It went on after that.

01:01:42.000 That's right.

01:01:43.000 That's right.

01:01:44.000 And it gets...

01:01:44.000 Oh my god.

01:01:45.000 It happens again though.

01:01:46.000 It happens again.

01:01:47.000 That's right.

01:01:49.000 Oh.

01:01:51.000 How tough is Chris Weidman? 1.00

01:01:54.000 That motherfucker is so tough. 0.99

01:01:57.000 But sometimes careers can change off of one missed technique, which is one of the wildest things about MMA. Careers can change. 0.99

01:02:05.000 Anything can happen at any moment.

01:02:09.000 You can go in and you can be a better striker than the person.

01:02:12.000 You can just get caught.

01:02:13.000 It can be their night.

01:02:14.000 They can show up better.

01:02:16.000 There's a lot of my fights where I feel like I am the better fighter, but they showed up that night.

01:02:24.000 It's always a learning process though, right?

01:02:26.000 Like every experience that you have, you're putting into your mental database of how to deal with different conditions, how to deal with different thoughts that come in your head.

01:02:34.000 Oh yeah, I feel like it's a huge learning process.

01:02:37.000 And for me, I think, like, I didn't really get a lot of regional experience, you know?

01:02:41.000 I was three and two when I came into the tough house.

01:02:44.000 Wow.

01:02:45.000 So I'm going on, my next fight will be my 15th UFC fight.

01:02:49.000 To go 3-2, Tough House, and then Liverpool.

01:02:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:56.000 That's so crazy!

01:02:58.000 Oh my god, what a wild ride.

01:03:00.000 Yeah, so a lot of my learning experience was in the UFC. In the UFC in front of the whole world.

01:03:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:03:06.000 Chris Weidman, when he knocked out Anderson Silva, that was another one of those.

01:03:11.000 How did that happen?

01:03:12.000 What is going on moments?

01:03:14.000 We're like, everybody thought that Anderson Silva was untouchable at that point.

01:03:17.000 That was that moment where, you know, you realize, like, this sport is nuts.

01:03:22.000 Even the people that you think are the greatest of all time, they can get cracked and knocked unconscious.

01:03:26.000 Like, Leon Edwards, when he knocked out Kamaru Usman in the last round, like, what?

01:03:32.000 What?

01:03:33.000 Kamaru?

01:03:33.000 When he lands that head kick and you see Kamaru, who's like one of the most durable guys that's ever lived.

01:03:38.000 He gets cracked.

01:03:39.000 He gets back up.

01:03:39.000 He seems fine always in every fight.

01:03:41.000 And this one, he gets put out.

01:03:43.000 It almost seemed surreal.

01:03:45.000 Like when Tyson got knocked out by Buster Douglas.

01:03:47.000 Like what?

01:03:48.000 Like what is happening?

01:03:49.000 It's crazy.

01:03:50.000 It's like, like you say, you can be the better fighter.

01:03:51.000 You could win that fight nine out of ten times.

01:03:54.000 And then just that one time is that night.

01:03:57.000 That's what happens.

01:03:58.000 Especially at a high level, right?

01:03:59.000 Especially at a high level.

01:04:00.000 It's like, you can't make any kind of mistake.

01:04:03.000 It's like on a regional level, say you make a little mistake, but they're not going to capitalize on it because they're just, they're not smart enough, maybe, you know?

01:04:10.000 It's like, a lot of, or like, whatever it is, but then once you get up to a high level, it's like, these people are good.

01:04:17.000 If you make that one little mistake, then you're getting knocked out.

01:04:20.000 You're getting subbed.

01:04:20.000 You don't have those kind of opportunities.

01:04:22.000 So it's definitely a learning experience there.

01:04:26.000 There's also the difference between people that are fighting that train and people that train like you train.

01:04:32.000 There's a big difference.

01:04:33.000 The fact that you do it constantly and consistently is just such an advantage, I believe.

01:04:38.000 Because, you know, I mean, I know it just from training in Jiu Jitsu.

01:04:42.000 Even when I was training like four days a week, like really regularly, I would be in with those guys that are training five, six, seven days a week and they would be getting better than me.

01:04:53.000 And I knew it.

01:04:54.000 You could tell.

01:04:55.000 It's in your head.

01:04:56.000 Like, okay, do you want to go psycho and be here seven days a week?

01:04:58.000 Or do you want to try to live a life?

01:04:59.000 Like, how are you going to balance this?

01:05:01.000 They're going to get better than you.

01:05:02.000 It's impossible to stop.

01:05:03.000 It's just a thing that people do.

01:05:05.000 If you can dedicate enough time and focus to something over long periods of time, if you really stay true to it, You get better and better and better.

01:05:12.000 And when I see someone like yourself that does that and goes from the tough house and goes to that fight in Liverpool, to me that's like one of the great American success stories. 0.98

01:05:23.000 That was fucking... 0.96

01:05:25.000 I mean it's really amazing. 0.99

01:05:27.000 It's an amazing thing to be this person who's a socially awkward kid and then all of a sudden you strangle some girl in her hometown in front of the whole world in this crazy arena.

01:05:38.000 Like that's wild.

01:05:39.000 Oh no, it's 100%.

01:05:41.000 Everything is surreal about it to me. 1.00

01:05:43.000 For me, I'm just a kid who loves this shit. 0.99

01:05:47.000 I love this sport and that's about it. 0.99

01:05:48.000 I love showing up every day.

01:05:50.000 I love going to the gym every day.

01:05:51.000 Even on my bad days, it's better than going to any other job.

01:05:55.000 I love training more than anything else.

01:05:58.000 I can always remember, I've worked at vet's offices, I worked at Chili's right before I got into the Tough House, and I'm like, my worst days at the gym are better than any day I had to go to one of those jobs.

01:06:11.000 Of course.

01:06:12.000 I remember getting off of a shift at Chili's, getting off of a shift at the vet's office, working like 10 hours a day, and just going straight to the gym, and there's nothing better than the feeling of the mats underneath your feet.

01:06:24.000 Wow.

01:06:25.000 That's just what I love more than anything.

01:06:27.000 You can't beat that kind of dedication.

01:06:29.000 That dedication trumps everything.

01:06:31.000 Because even if you're really, really disciplined, you're enthusiastic too.

01:06:37.000 Discipline will get you through a five-mile run, but you're not going to learn as much.

01:06:43.000 Just with discipline.

01:06:45.000 Enthusiasm and discipline is really the right combination.

01:06:48.000 You can't just be disciplined and just kind of trudge through it because the person that's more interested in it, that's more passionate about it, that's more excited about it, that person's more jazzed up, they're going to learn it quicker.

01:06:57.000 And they're going to put it on you quicker.

01:06:59.000 It's the ultimate testing ground for ideas and focus.

01:07:03.000 It really is.

01:07:04.000 I don't get people who don't train out of camp.

01:07:07.000 They're like, oh yeah, I took like a month off or something.

01:07:09.000 Like, what did you do?

01:07:12.000 Do you do anything other than train?

01:07:14.000 What is fun time?

01:07:17.000 Nothing really.

01:07:18.000 No hobbies?

01:07:18.000 You don't play golf?

01:07:20.000 I live in Miami, so I'll go out paddle boarding sometimes, things like that.

01:07:28.000 But that's really it.

01:07:29.000 Training is so much of my life, and I feel like a lot of the times I'm not training, I just don't want to do anything because I'm tired.

01:07:37.000 I'm exhausted from training.

01:07:39.000 Yeah, I think Masayama said that about his karate students.

01:07:42.000 I think they were talking about why they don't...

01:07:45.000 I think it's Masayama.

01:07:47.000 It's not that they're more noble, they're tired from training.

01:07:52.000 Something like that. 0.77

01:07:53.000 I'm pretty sure I fucked that up. 1.00

01:07:55.000 But yeah, if you're training all the time, that's why street fights seem so stupid. 0.99

01:08:00.000 You know, like, oh my god, that's like more training. 0.96

01:08:03.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:05.000 More training with danger and weapons.

01:08:07.000 No, I'm like, I don't get how people are so confident to get in street fights.

01:08:11.000 Crazy, right?

01:08:12.000 Like you said, without weapons.

01:08:14.000 That's a crazy thing to me.

01:08:16.000 You don't know when somebody has a weapon.

01:08:17.000 People shoot people.

01:08:19.000 Just be nice.

01:08:20.000 Let's not fight.

01:08:21.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:08:23.000 There's so many fucking loons out there, though. 0.99

01:08:26.000 Have you ever had a girl come to the gym specifically to try to train with you? 0.98

01:08:32.000 To come train with me, yeah, definitely.

01:08:34.000 I train at a smaller gym, The Goat Shed in Miami.

01:08:37.000 That is a wild place that you train at.

01:08:40.000 Yeah, it is.

01:08:40.000 I love that you train there.

01:08:42.000 Those fellows are wild.

01:08:44.000 Yeah, my coach, awesome, he has like a controlled chaos going on in there.

01:08:49.000 But they're getting good.

01:08:51.000 Everybody's getting good.

01:08:52.000 Like I said, we're there at 8 a.m., 10 a.m., 11 a.m., then I'm doing cardio after.

01:08:57.000 Everybody's there, focused, working. 0.85

01:09:00.000 I feel like people see all the crazy shit online and don't think we're actually training, we're actually working. 0.92

01:09:06.000 But it's like there's so much technical ability that's behind all the chaos that you guys see. 0.98

01:09:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:12.000 No, for sure.

01:09:13.000 You could see that on Instagram.

01:09:15.000 But to the casual observer, I see what you're saying.

01:09:18.000 But the infectious energy in that gem is so apparent that it comes out through Instagram.

01:09:23.000 Like, that's how you know it's a legit gem.

01:09:24.000 It's a little wild.

01:09:26.000 Bass Rutten seminar.

01:09:28.000 Bass Rutten! 0.78

01:09:30.000 Bassito! 0.93

01:09:30.000 He was just here. 0.93

01:09:31.000 Yeah, he was there. 1.00

01:09:32.000 He's the fucking man. 1.00

01:09:33.000 Last week, I want to say, we had a seminar. 1.00

01:09:36.000 He's the fucking man. 1.00

01:09:37.000 I love that dude. 1.00

01:09:41.000 Okay.

01:09:42.000 Some girl had her legs open. 1.00

01:09:43.000 I don't know what that was all about.

01:09:45.000 Don't look at that one, Jamie. 0.70

01:09:48.000 Yeah, Miami's a wild-ass place.

01:09:50.000 It's actually not a bad post.

01:09:51.000 It's not?

01:09:51.000 It's clever.

01:09:52.000 It's clever?

01:09:53.000 Oh, you click it and it's something else?

01:09:55.000 Oh, she's selling sunglasses? 0.96

01:09:57.000 Oh, glasses.

01:10:01.000 That's a genius.

01:10:03.000 You gotta entice them, you know? 0.93

01:10:04.000 Yeah, there's a lot of dirty people out there. 1.00

01:10:05.000 Get the clickbait.

01:10:09.000 What do you think about fighters starring OnlyFans?

01:10:11.000 Is that nuts?

01:10:12.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:10:14.000 It's not my thing, definitely.

01:10:16.000 Obviously, I have friends who do it, things like that, but it's just, I don't know.

01:10:21.000 I feel like you've got to decide what you want.

01:10:24.000 I feel like it's hard to be committed to fighting when you're into doing it. 0.99

01:10:28.000 If you're taking pictures and looking cute and doing things like that, that takes time where it's like, I don't have time for that shit. 0.93

01:10:34.000 It's not just that, but then that probably makes you as much money as fighting. 0.97

01:10:39.000 Yeah, that's also a thing about it, too.

01:10:42.000 Or more money.

01:10:43.000 There's a lot of girls making more money than money. 1.00

01:10:44.000 I'm sure they are.

01:10:46.000 I'm not knocking it.

01:10:47.000 If I was a girl, I'd be in my underwear, for sure.

01:10:50.000 I'd be like, come see this.

01:10:52.000 Give me money.

01:10:55.000 Especially if I was young.

01:10:56.000 If you're a young girl, I mean, I'm not encouraging anyone to start an OnlyFans, but I am saying, like, what is worse?

01:11:05.000 What is worse? 1.00

01:11:05.000 Someone looking at your butt or, you know, you having to work some stupid job for four months? 1.00

01:11:11.000 I can't remember who it was, but there's a girl, she had an OnlyFans, and she was a fighter, and she tweeted one. 0.99

01:11:17.000 She's like, you guys can pay me to use my body to fight people, but you don't want me to pay me to use my body on OnlyFans.

01:11:25.000 You guys are just fine.

01:11:26.000 Like someone was telling her not to do it?

01:11:27.000 Yeah.

01:11:28.000 I don't believe in that.

01:11:29.000 I don't think you should be able to tell anybody what to do with their personal life.

01:11:32.000 Especially social media personal life.

01:11:35.000 Do whatever you want to do. 0.99

01:11:37.000 You want to show everybody your butt? 1.00

01:11:38.000 Go ahead. 1.00

01:11:39.000 You know, I mean, the thing is, then your butt's on the internet for the rest of your life. 0.97

01:11:43.000 And that's okay, too.

01:11:45.000 I think probably there's going to be no privacy in about a decade or so.

01:11:49.000 I don't think any...

01:11:50.000 I think we're going to be like...

01:11:51.000 Remember back in the day when you had privacy?

01:11:54.000 I think people are going to know every thought that everybody has.

01:11:57.000 There's nothing hiding.

01:11:58.000 You're not going to be able to hide taxes.

01:12:00.000 You're not going to be...

01:12:00.000 I think the way our lives are getting more and more interconnected with technology, we're going to come to a point in time Where I don't think there's going to be anything to hide that anybody has.

01:12:12.000 And that's going to be a weird time to be alive.

01:12:14.000 I swear I think about things and my iPhone tells me.

01:12:17.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

01:12:18.000 It's like, oh, why don't you order this?

01:12:21.000 I'm like, how did you even?

01:12:22.000 I swear I didn't say it out loud.

01:12:23.000 I just thought of it and it comes up there.

01:12:26.000 I was Googling something and then the thing that I Googled started showing up in my Instagram feed.

01:12:34.000 Very specific.

01:12:35.000 It's a very specific thing.

01:12:37.000 I'll tell you what it is.

01:12:38.000 It's a 1968 Bullitt Mustang.

01:12:42.000 Tell me how specific that is. 0.98

01:12:44.000 That's really fucking specific. 0.94

01:12:46.000 That never showed up in my Instagram feed before. 0.98

01:12:48.000 But I was Googling the scene from the movie Bullitt.

01:12:51.000 You ever heard of the movie?

01:12:52.000 Yeah.

01:12:53.000 It's a Steve McQueen movie.

01:12:54.000 It's filmed in San Francisco.

01:12:55.000 It's the greatest car chase scene ever.

01:12:58.000 And Steve McQueen has this 1968 Highland green Mustang.

01:13:04.000 And they're going through this.

01:13:06.000 See if you can find it. 0.99

01:13:06.000 It's fucking wild. 0.99

01:13:08.000 It's a wild scene. 0.99

01:13:09.000 And this is 1968. Cars drove like shit. 1.00

01:13:12.000 So I Google this, I watch this chase scene, and I'm looking at like builds that people have made where they've made replicas of that car, including this company called Revology that makes this sick Mustang. 1.00

01:13:25.000 And they make like a new 1968 Mustang.

01:13:29.000 Instead of it being a 1968 Mustang, it's like a 2023 1968 Mustang, but with modern technology in it.

01:13:35.000 So this is Steve McQueen and this dude getting this wild chase scene in San Francisco.

01:13:41.000 And it goes on for a while. 0.98

01:13:42.000 This is when movies didn't have music playing when shit was happening. 0.99

01:13:47.000 Look at this. 0.98

01:13:48.000 It's just the sounds of the car, Steve McQueen's face. 0.73

01:13:54.000 And now they'd be fucking this up with... 0.99

01:13:56.000 But back then they knew how to make a fucking movie! 0.99

01:14:00.000 But look at that car. 1.00

01:14:01.000 Look at that car.

01:14:01.000 That's a 1968 Mustang.

01:14:03.000 That's a 68 Charger. 0.99

01:14:06.000 So anyway, this starts showing up in my fucking Instagram feed. 0.98

01:14:10.000 Now, that's really specific. 0.99

01:14:13.000 How dope is that car?

01:14:14.000 That's a dope car. 1.00

01:14:15.000 That's a fucking dope car. 1.00

01:14:18.000 The scene's incredible. 1.00

01:14:19.000 It goes on forever.

01:14:21.000 Do you think they cleared traffic for this?

01:14:23.000 For sure.

01:14:24.000 They just clipped that car.

01:14:25.000 You saw that?

01:14:25.000 I know, but my point was there's a movie I've seen recently, same time period.

01:14:30.000 I think it's a Jack Nicholson chase scene, if this makes sense, in maybe New York or Chicago.

01:14:35.000 I read they didn't clear traffic.

01:14:36.000 They just filmed it.

01:14:38.000 I don't think it's as dangerous as this one, probably, but they just filmed it.

01:14:42.000 For something like this, this is high speeds.

01:14:44.000 You can't have people walk in their baby stroller across the street when Steve McQueen kills them.

01:14:51.000 No, that's not going to work!

01:14:54.000 That car is 100% a part of the movie.

01:14:56.000 So is that car.

01:14:58.000 Watch how this car reacts.

01:14:59.000 These are all stuntmen.

01:15:00.000 These are all stuntmen.

01:15:02.000 100%.

01:15:03.000 I would assume it would be now.

01:15:04.000 You see how slow that Volkswagen's going?

01:15:06.000 That dude would not be going that slow.

01:15:09.000 Look at this.

01:15:09.000 Hubcap lost.

01:15:10.000 Look at this shit. 1.00

01:15:11.000 This is a wild fucking movie, son. 1.00

01:15:13.000 This goes on forever. 1.00

01:15:14.000 This is what they used to do in movies.

01:15:16.000 If you watch a lot of Steve McQueen's movies, Le Mans, same thing.

01:15:21.000 The whole beginning of the movie, no one even talks forever.

01:15:24.000 I'm really good at falling asleep during movies. 0.99

01:15:28.000 You don't give a fuck about anything but training. 0.98

01:15:30.000 I love it. 0.99

01:15:31.000 I love it.

01:15:32.000 I'm like, anytime I lay down for too long, it's like it's a risk.

01:15:34.000 Right, you just pass out.

01:15:35.000 Yeah, yeah, I can't.

01:15:37.000 Movies, I don't know, it has to be like, I don't know, kids movies I usually want.

01:15:42.000 You like kids movies?

01:15:42.000 I'm like, I'll do good with like animation things.

01:15:44.000 Frozen?

01:15:44.000 Like Frozen?

01:15:45.000 Yeah, I'd be cool with watching that.

01:15:47.000 I could probably stay up for that, but like any real movies, I just don't have the, I don't know, I don't have the attention span.

01:15:52.000 Well, it's also like the drama that people go through in some real movies.

01:15:55.000 Think about the actual real drama you go through for your profession.

01:15:59.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:16:00.000 Their things are so mundane, you know?

01:16:03.000 Yeah, I feel like I like to try to get away from that.

01:16:08.000 I don't know.

01:16:08.000 I am a huge fight fan too, so I spend a lot of time watching fights.

01:16:11.000 Do you?

01:16:12.000 Yeah, every weekend.

01:16:13.000 Last weekend I was like, what do I do?

01:16:15.000 There's no fights on.

01:16:16.000 I just feel lost if I don't have a weekend of fights.

01:16:19.000 Do you watch only MMA or do you watch other sports?

01:16:23.000 Do you watch Muay Thai or anything else?

01:16:25.000 More MMA than anything else.

01:16:26.000 I don't know.

01:16:27.000 Even jiu-jitsu, I feel like I've never really gotten deep into watching.

01:16:31.000 Really?

01:16:31.000 Interesting.

01:16:31.000 It's more just MMA specifically.

01:16:34.000 But I think MMA as a sport is completely different than, say, no-gi jiu-jitsu versus gi jiu-jitsu versus kickboxing versus wrestling.

01:16:45.000 I feel like people look at MMA jiu-jitsu versus no-gi jiu-jitsu.

01:16:50.000 They're like, oh, it's the same when it's completely two different worlds.

01:16:53.000 Well, as soon as striking is involved and also the gloves prevent a lot of stuff.

01:16:57.000 It's very interesting, the difference.

01:17:00.000 I've obviously never fought MMA, but I've grappled with MMA gloves on, just trying to get chokes when someone's not punching you.

01:17:09.000 You can't get things under chins.

01:17:11.000 It's so much harder.

01:17:12.000 Well, it's just how you have to work for things, too. 0.91

01:17:14.000 I think when I go into jujitsu competitions, I get stuck in a girl's clothes guard, and I'm like, how the fuck do I open a clothes guard? 1.00

01:17:21.000 Like, oh, I punch you in the face. 0.99

01:17:22.000 That's how I open your clothes guard. 0.99

01:17:26.000 I can't do that right now. 0.99

01:17:28.000 So it's like I haven't drilled that shit in years where it's like these girls are doing that every single day. 1.00

01:17:34.000 Yeah, the strategy of punching in the face can't be ignored. 0.99

01:17:39.000 That's a good way to get out of someone's close guard.

01:17:43.000 A lot less effort.

01:17:45.000 Exactly.

01:17:46.000 It opens up so many opportunities, even submissions.

01:17:49.000 I feel like for the Rose grappling match, it was short notice for both of us.

01:17:54.000 I think the whole card was put together on 11 days total.

01:17:57.000 Oh, wow.

01:17:58.000 So I just had like a short camp, but me just doing straight jujitsu for that short camp, I was like, it's so much harder to get submissions when you can't punch them in the face.

01:18:06.000 When you can't just like get them to like try to push you off or create the space when you can't do the damage.

01:18:12.000 That's a really good argument for learning it the way you're learning it then from the beginning.

01:18:16.000 Because that's a really good argument for learning MMA jujitsu.

01:18:20.000 It's a completely different sport.

01:18:22.000 I think, like, I don't know.

01:18:23.000 I think Nogi and MMA Jiu-Jitsu, they're just, like, getting farther and farther away from each other as the years go.

01:18:29.000 I think that Nogi is taking its own path, and MMA is a completely different world, where it's like, even my choking style, I feel like, doesn't translate as well to Nogi as it works for MMA. Hmm.

01:18:42.000 That's interesting.

01:18:44.000 But it's...

01:18:48.000 It's like the the level that exists now both in in jiu-jitsu and in MMA is so different than at any other time I'm looking at these guys that are just now entering into the UFC and they look they look like world champions like they move like world champions It's so it's such an interesting thing to see and for you to be a part of it and To love it so much.

01:19:11.000 It's got to be one of the wildest experiences a person could go through and Oh, it's crazy.

01:19:16.000 At my gym right now, we have a kid who just started training with us.

01:19:19.000 He's 11 and 1 and 20 years old.

01:19:21.000 And I'm like, where did you get the time to get those fights?

01:19:25.000 That's amazing.

01:19:26.000 My niece, she's 3 and just started training jiu-jitsu.

01:19:29.000 I'm like, I can only imagine people starting MMA at this age now where it's like you've never really seen that before.

01:19:35.000 And if you keep going at the pace you're going, I think you could hit really crazy levels.

01:19:42.000 I really believe that.

01:19:44.000 I really believe that you're one of the most exceptional contenders that are coming up right now.

01:19:50.000 It's really exciting to see.

01:19:51.000 I think I built a really good foundation over the last couple years.

01:19:56.000 Like I said, I learned a lot.

01:19:57.000 I got into the UFC extremely young, so I feel like it was a lot of stepping stones.

01:20:02.000 But now I am in the prime of my life, and I have the right combination with Goat Shed and Dean Thomas, and I feel like I'm just in a good spot mentally and physically, and I feel like I'm ready for these opportunities that are coming my way.

01:20:15.000 That sounds like you prepared that one.

01:20:17.000 Did you prepare that one?

01:20:18.000 No, I didn't.

01:20:18.000 Not at all?

01:20:19.000 No, not at all.

01:20:19.000 That's awesome.

01:20:20.000 That was perfect.

01:20:22.000 Print.

01:20:22.000 Cut.

01:20:23.000 Make it real. 1.00

01:20:24.000 Put that shit on Instagram. 1.00

01:20:26.000 Yeah, that's awesome. 1.00

01:20:27.000 I'm excited.

01:20:27.000 I'm excited for you.

01:20:28.000 When you're watching some of these upcoming cards, what fights are interesting to you that are coming up right now?

01:20:35.000 The upcoming cards?

01:20:36.000 Oh, on the Amanda Nunes card, the Benil Dariush and Charles Oliveira.

01:20:41.000 That fight.

01:20:42.000 I'm like, I've been waiting for that forever.

01:20:44.000 It got canceled.

01:20:45.000 Now are you scheduled?

01:20:46.000 That's a good one.

01:20:47.000 I'm like, that is gonna be a matchup. 0.93

01:20:49.000 Benil Dariush's fight with Jakar Close was one of the craziest fucking fights I've ever seen in my life. 0.97

01:20:55.000 It was so nuts. 0.98

01:20:56.000 It was so back and forth.

01:20:58.000 Benil was almost out.

01:21:00.000 Like, we thought he was hurt bad.

01:21:01.000 And he finds a way to win.

01:21:02.000 And his grappling is nasty.

01:21:04.000 He's got one of those types of grappling styles that's just ideal for MMA. He's really blended it in such a perfect way.

01:21:10.000 It's going to be interesting to see because Oliveira is very, very good off his back.

01:21:14.000 And it's like, Darush technically doesn't need to take this fight.

01:21:17.000 He could probably get a title opportunity, I'm assuming, for this.

01:21:21.000 I feel like he takes opportunity.

01:21:23.000 He's just a gangster.

01:21:25.000 He's down to take it. 0.99

01:21:26.000 He is just a gangster.

01:21:29.000 You know who I was thinking about earlier I forgot to mention? 0.99

01:21:32.000 Nasty off their back, Paul Craig.

01:21:34.000 Yeah, he's something different. 0.99

01:21:36.000 Something different.

01:21:37.000 That dude's triangle is elite. 1.00

01:21:39.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:21:41.000 Him and Jamal Hill. 0.99

01:21:42.000 I'll never forget that his arm just like flopping around there.

01:21:46.000 There's nothing worse than that.

01:21:47.000 It was horrible.

01:21:48.000 Luckily, Jamal's arm was fine.

01:21:50.000 Believe it or not, it was just dislocated.

01:21:52.000 I thought it was broken.

01:21:53.000 It looks so terrible.

01:21:55.000 I've seen a gang of arms get broken in my day.

01:21:57.000 And that one was one of the most awkward ones.

01:22:00.000 Misha, when Rhonda broke Misha's arm.

01:22:02.000 Oh yeah, that was a good one too.

01:22:06.000 It's so funny because in a fight, I don't have a problem doing things like that.

01:22:10.000 But then watching it, I'm like, oh, that's gross.

01:22:13.000 I think the scariest ones for me are the leg breaks.

01:22:16.000 When Anderson broke his leg against Weidman.

01:22:18.000 When Weidman broke his leg against Uriah Hall.

01:22:21.000 Those are the scariest ones.

01:22:23.000 Those freak me out.

01:22:24.000 For Weidman to be a part of both of those. 0.97

01:22:26.000 Crazy!

01:22:27.000 What are the odds?

01:22:28.000 That's absolutely insane.

01:22:29.000 There was one that happened a few years back.

01:22:33.000 Corey Hill.

01:22:34.000 Rest in peace.

01:22:36.000 And then there was Anderson.

01:22:38.000 And then after Anderson, who else?

01:22:42.000 Chris Weidman.

01:22:44.000 Connor.

01:22:45.000 No one else?

01:22:46.000 Is that it?

01:22:48.000 I think that's it.

01:22:49.000 That's it.

01:22:49.000 And one of the worst ones is Tyrone Spong.

01:22:51.000 You ever seen that one? 0.97

01:22:52.000 Oh my gosh, that was disgusting.

01:22:55.000 That's a hard one.

01:22:56.000 It's something different in kickboxing, too.

01:22:59.000 I feel like the kicks are just thrown with more intention.

01:23:02.000 Oh my god.

01:23:02.000 The way he stepped back on that is just something.

01:23:05.000 Ugh.

01:23:05.000 And that was essentially the end of his kickboxing career.

01:23:07.000 I mean, he's boxing now.

01:23:09.000 That's a dangerous man.

01:23:10.000 Oh yeah.

01:23:11.000 He's a dangerous dude.

01:23:12.000 He's a big dude.

01:23:13.000 Yeah, that one fight where he got dropped early in the round and the dude's swarming on him and he measures him, measures him, measures him, BLEAM! Woof!

01:23:22.000 See if you can find that.

01:23:24.000 Tyrone Spong, crazy first round knockout, because it's nuts.

01:23:28.000 This dude comes after him, big tall dude, hits him with a big shot and drops him.

01:23:32.000 And then the way he responds and the way he cracked that dude, just how staying calm under fire, looking for a shot, extending his left hand, then drops a right on him.

01:23:42.000 Just like a sniper.

01:23:44.000 Some people, it's like, I don't know.

01:23:45.000 Here it is.

01:23:47.000 Just the way some people's minds...

01:23:48.000 Michael Dute.

01:23:49.000 Yeah, some people's minds are just... 1.00

01:23:50.000 I feel like they can just see shit. 1.00

01:23:53.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:23:54.000 They see something different.

01:23:55.000 Look at that.

01:23:55.000 Boom.

01:23:55.000 Perfect one-two.

01:23:57.000 Drops him.

01:23:57.000 I mean, on the chin.

01:23:59.000 Perfect one-two.

01:24:01.000 He gets up.

01:24:03.000 Okay.

01:24:03.000 Stays calm.

01:24:04.000 This dude's just swinging now.

01:24:06.000 Now he's just wild and reckless.

01:24:08.000 Measures!

01:24:08.000 Bam!

01:24:09.000 Woo! 0.99

01:24:11.000 And that's the fight. 1.00

01:24:12.000 This dude gets up and is like, what the fuck... 1.00

01:24:17.000 Fuck this. 1.00

01:24:20.000 And it took him a second. 1.00

01:24:21.000 He's like, I'm not good.

01:24:24.000 It's crazy the way people's bodies react to being knocked out sometimes.

01:24:29.000 I think it was Edson and...

01:24:32.000 Shane Burgos.

01:24:32.000 Yeah, Shane Burgos.

01:24:33.000 It took him like five seconds before he really felt it.

01:24:36.000 Yeah, that was one of the weirdest ones I've ever seen ever.

01:24:39.000 Just something happened and he's backing up and as he's backing up he's losing consciousness.

01:24:44.000 It was like he was good and then it just he wasn't good anymore.

01:24:50.000 Shane Burgos is such a tough man. 0.60

01:24:53.000 Oh yeah, he's a dog. 0.88

01:24:54.000 Oh he's a dog.

01:24:55.000 He's a dog.

01:24:56.000 Always.

01:24:56.000 So here he gets cracked with a good shot here.

01:24:58.000 Then he gets cracked with another good shot here. 0.78

01:25:01.000 Edson with those horrific leg kicks.

01:25:06.000 I don't know where the...

01:25:08.000 Is it coming up soon?

01:25:11.000 Oh, they put the whole fight in there?

01:25:16.000 So obviously Edson is catching him with a lot of stuff.

01:25:19.000 And as tough as Shane is, he's probably been hurt on multiple occasions in these exchanges.

01:25:25.000 Right there.

01:25:25.000 That's it.

01:25:26.000 So it was a 1-2.

01:25:27.000 It was a 1-2 right there.

01:25:30.000 Right there.

01:25:31.000 1-2.

01:25:32.000 Boom, boom.

01:25:32.000 And then it just...

01:25:34.000 The lights go out.

01:25:38.000 Crazy.

01:25:39.000 I've never seen something like that.

01:25:40.000 That was weird.

01:25:41.000 Yeah.

01:25:42.000 But it was a hard punch and multiple punches before that.

01:25:47.000 Edson Barbosa is a guy who doesn't get enough credit.

01:25:49.000 That guy has the fastest switch kick I've ever seen in my life.

01:25:52.000 His switch kick is bananas.

01:25:54.000 His last knee against Billy Quarantino and then his knee against Benil Darouche. 0.99

01:25:59.000 Both of them were fucking vicious. 0.99

01:26:02.000 Insane. 1.00

01:26:03.000 Yeah.

01:26:03.000 I wonder how much of a struggle it is for him to get to 45. Wow.

01:26:06.000 I was on the last card with him and it looked like it was a struggle.

01:26:10.000 He was so shredded.

01:26:12.000 We were sitting there an hour before weigh-ins and everybody was just sitting in their chairs and he was laying on the floor in the back.

01:26:18.000 Just looked like he was struggling.

01:26:20.000 But the next day he went out there and performed 100% apparently.

01:26:24.000 He got that knockout, got that fight of the night bonus.

01:26:27.000 I'm like, I don't know how people do that.

01:26:30.000 I don't know how they do it either.

01:26:31.000 I don't get how you can make such a huge cut and just feel good on fight night.

01:26:35.000 Crazy.

01:26:36.000 It's crazy because it's the amount of damage that does to your body.

01:26:41.000 It's not zero.

01:26:43.000 So, like, how much damage are you doing 24 hours before a cage fight just for that advantage?

01:26:48.000 And it's like, how much of a size advantage is it?

01:26:52.000 Maybe 5-10 pounds?

01:26:54.000 It's like, how much of an advantage does that give someone if they are technically better than you?

01:26:58.000 I think there is advantages.

01:27:01.000 There has to be.

01:27:02.000 Otherwise people wouldn't keep doing it.

01:27:04.000 I think that it's also, you also feel like if you get someone who does a lot of it and then they get a hold of you, you're like, oh my god, I'm too small for this weight class.

01:27:12.000 You know, if you're one of those guys, like Frankie Edgar is an animal.

01:27:15.000 Frankie Edgar weighed 155 and won the 155 pound world title.

01:27:20.000 And he beat BJ Penn to do it.

01:27:22.000 Frankie Edgar was beating everybody and they were way bigger than him.

01:27:25.000 He just did it with skill and heart.

01:27:27.000 And also, he was so durable because he didn't cut weight.

01:27:30.000 It's one of the things, like, some of these guys that cut a lot of weight, there seems to be...

01:27:35.000 It seems like the guys who cut the most weight have harder times after a while taking shots.

01:27:42.000 It seems to have an effect.

01:27:44.000 It's hard to tell whether it's just the overall cumulative effect of their career or if it's the weight cut.

01:27:49.000 But there was a lot of...

01:27:51.000 Questions about Pajeda.

01:27:52.000 A lot of people brought that up.

01:27:53.000 Like whether or not the weight cut makes him more susceptible to getting knocked out.

01:27:58.000 But it's not zero, right?

01:27:59.000 It's not a zero effect.

01:28:00.000 It has an effect.

01:28:01.000 But it's also to be this bigger person and to be able to, especially in the early part of the fight, you can get a hold of someone.

01:28:13.000 Oh my god.

01:28:14.000 That's crazy.

01:28:16.000 That's crazy.

01:28:18.000 That's 25 pounds.

01:28:21.000 That's crazy.

01:28:23.000 That's so much weight.

01:28:24.000 Think about 25 pounds of water on this table.

01:28:28.000 Exactly.

01:28:29.000 He removed that from his body and then put it back in.

01:28:32.000 What?

01:28:33.000 Without an IV. No, it's absolutely insane to see.

01:28:37.000 And after that, being able to perform.

01:28:39.000 I think that's the thing, is that so many guys are doing it.

01:28:42.000 When you see a guy who's as big as Edson at 145, or as big as Billy, I don't know what Billy cuts.

01:28:48.000 But there's some guys in some weight classes that are just like, how is Marvin Vittori 185 pounds?

01:28:54.000 That guy's giant.

01:28:55.000 He's huge.

01:28:56.000 But he gets down to 185. All my fights besides my last one have been at 125 in the UFC and then my last one was at 115. So just the difference between the 25ers and the 15ers is extremely different.

01:29:10.000 I feel like that girl we watched earlier, Maria Agpova, She, I remember I trained with her at ATT and she would come into camp around like 150, 155 and cut down to 125. Where I was coming into camp at 130 and cutting down to 125. So, yeah, it's just, I don't know.

01:29:31.000 I don't know how the girls do it, but I'm like, there's a huge difference between like the 15ers and the 25ers, just size-wise. 0.98

01:29:37.000 Nobody does it crazier than Patty. 1.00

01:29:41.000 Paddy's out of his fucking mind, because he does it in front of everybody. 1.00

01:29:43.000 I feel like he tries to, though. 1.00

01:29:45.000 Oh, he does try to.

01:29:46.000 I think it's part of his persona now, but it's also fun.

01:29:49.000 The dude gets fat in front of the world and then gets shredded again.

01:29:52.000 He disappears and then gets shredded again. 0.72

01:29:54.000 And then he gets fat again.

01:29:56.000 Yeah, even that I don't get.

01:29:57.000 I'm like, by the amount I train, I don't get...

01:30:00.000 Look at the difference between the lower left hand corner and the upper middle. 1.00

01:30:06.000 When he's down to fight, he's a fucking character. 0.99

01:30:10.000 That kid's a star. 0.99

01:30:11.000 You know, if he gets matched correctly, and that's the thing, like if it was any other sport, you'd get matched.

01:30:18.000 If it was boxing, you'd have a manager.

01:30:20.000 That manager would go, okay, Patty, you got a lot of fans, but we got to set you up with the right opponents.

01:30:25.000 We got to make sure that we test you in all these areas and build up all the holes in your game.

01:30:30.000 And, you know, like boxers like to get to the title undefeated.

01:30:34.000 They like to get to that title fight. 0.99

01:30:35.000 16-0, the challenger.

01:30:37.000 That's what everybody loves in boxing.

01:30:38.000 I feel like it's getting more and more like that in MMA too.

01:30:42.000 I have more respect for fighters who is like, you can see that they've taken tough matchups versus the fighters who is like, they fought nobody but they have an undefeated record.

01:30:52.000 What do you think about a fighter that gets an opportunity to take a fight they know they probably shouldn't take?

01:30:57.000 And they take it early in their career against someone who's far more experienced and it can be very dangerous.

01:31:03.000 But sometimes an opportunity presents itself and they say, hey, do you want to fight in the UFC? We've got to fight against this guy.

01:31:09.000 You know, top whatever contender.

01:31:11.000 And people have done that before.

01:31:12.000 First fight in the UFC, you're fighting a contender.

01:31:15.000 Which is really wild.

01:31:16.000 But it happens.

01:31:17.000 All the time.

01:31:18.000 I've never taken opportunities that big, like fighting contenders in the UFC, but I feel like it is important to take every opportunity that comes your way, because it's more eyes on you.

01:31:28.000 You have an opportunity to show what your abilities are too, even if you are the B side of the matchup necessarily.

01:31:34.000 But every opportunity I've taken, win or loss, I feel like it's helped lead me to the point that I'm at today, and it's also built the foundation that you need losses, you need to learn, and you need that to fall back on.

01:31:49.000 Even if you know you're seriously overmatched, take it anyway?

01:31:55.000 I don't know.

01:31:57.000 For me, it's like I've never said no to a fight.

01:32:00.000 I think that's a tough situation.

01:32:02.000 I've definitely went into fights where I know I was seriously undermatched.

01:32:07.000 When I fought on the Tough House, like I said, I was 3-2, I was 22 years old, and I fought Barb Honchak, who was 10-2, the Invicta champ.

01:32:15.000 She was pinned to win it. 1.00

01:32:17.000 And that was my first fight in the house.

01:32:19.000 And I ended up losing second round TKO. But I had my moments in the fight.

01:32:24.000 I almost finished an arm bar at one point.

01:32:26.000 And I still had that opportunity, obviously got my face in front of Dana to be on the tough house.

01:32:33.000 It was still an opportunity that opened doors for me in the long run.

01:32:39.000 You also escaped that straight arm lock.

01:32:42.000 When she had your arm extended and you got out, I was super impressed that you got out of that.

01:32:47.000 I was like, Jesus Christ.

01:32:48.000 I hated the angle.

01:32:49.000 When I was looking, I was like, Jesus!

01:32:51.000 There was a moment where she was yanking on it.

01:32:54.000 I was like, yikes.

01:32:55.000 Literally, I thought during that moment, because everybody knew me as the jujitsu girl in the house.

01:33:00.000 So I'm like, oh, I cannot let her sub me. 1.00

01:33:03.000 I'm not going to let her get this shit. 0.99

01:33:06.000 How close was it? 1.00

01:33:08.000 It was definitely hurting, but I feel like that little bit of frustration gave me that little bit of push, that little drive.

01:33:16.000 That's funny.

01:33:17.000 Well, you got out of it.

01:33:19.000 But that was a very tough matchup for you, yeah.

01:33:22.000 That's the thing about the progression of MMA. You get these tough matchups.

01:33:29.000 You learn.

01:33:29.000 And it's fascinating for me as someone who gets to see fights over and over again, see fighters progress through their career.

01:33:36.000 You get to see these people that have put these things together.

01:33:38.000 And you see the learning growth and the curve.

01:33:41.000 And you see where they're at now.

01:33:44.000 It's like ever since I was, even in my amateur fights I had a lot of tough girls, but like all my pro fights, I've had one, no, two fights where the girls haven't made it to the UFC at this point.

01:33:55.000 So it's like I fought all UFC level competition.

01:33:58.000 My last amateur fight was actually against Cheyenne Blissmas on Rise of Warrior, my little hometown show.

01:34:05.000 So it's like another UFC girl fighting when I was an amateur.

01:34:08.000 So it's like I've always had the highest level of competition.

01:34:12.000 That's very fortunate.

01:34:13.000 But also, Miami's a hot spot for MMA, right?

01:34:16.000 Florida in general, I feel like, is a hot spot.

01:34:18.000 It's just, I don't get how people train in the cold, so I get why.

01:34:24.000 The only thing you have to worry about is hurricanes.

01:34:26.000 Exactly.

01:34:27.000 And alligators.

01:34:28.000 They're not that bad, though.

01:34:29.000 They're everywhere.

01:34:29.000 They're everywhere, but they leave you alone.

01:34:31.000 Yeah, until they don't.

01:34:33.000 Until they don't.

01:34:34.000 You can't just be comfortable having monsters walking around your yard.

01:34:36.000 That's crazy.

01:34:37.000 I remember when I went to the tough house, it's like that's the first time I was really, I don't know, around a lot of girls from, they were all around the world.

01:34:44.000 And they were asking me about alligators.

01:34:46.000 They're like, what do you do about them?

01:34:48.000 I'm like, what do you mean, what do we do about them?

01:34:50.000 They're just there.

01:34:51.000 We just kind of ignore them.

01:34:53.000 I feel like everybody expects them to be chasing after you or something like that.

01:34:57.000 They have this weird stigma around them.

01:34:59.000 Well, every now and again, they do get someone.

01:35:03.000 Every now and again.

01:35:05.000 You're so comfortable with living around monsters that every now and again eat a people.

01:35:13.000 We have gators, sharks, snakes. 0.98

01:35:16.000 Everything's trying to kill you in Florida.

01:35:17.000 But if you don't go in the water, you don't have to worry about the sharks.

01:35:20.000 Well, the snakes.

01:35:21.000 They had a real problem in the Everglades.

01:35:24.000 That's nuts.

01:35:25.000 Yeah, in the Everglades, there's like 14-foot pythons. 0.99

01:35:29.000 They're fucking huge! 0.99

01:35:30.000 They just find them. 1.00

01:35:32.000 They don't even have to look that hard.

01:35:33.000 There's one.

01:35:34.000 I saw a video of one eating an alligator.

01:35:37.000 I'm like, that's crazy.

01:35:38.000 Yeah, we played it a bunch of times.

01:35:40.000 There's a bunch of dead ones they found with alligators poking out of the side of their body.

01:35:44.000 Yeah, they've run out of things to eat.

01:35:46.000 It's just insane though, like to be able to swallow literally bigger than you.

01:35:50.000 Yeah, literally bigger than you.

01:35:52.000 Well, they've eaten everything.

01:35:53.000 There is an estimation that 99% of all the deers, rabbits, raccoon, everything in the Everglades is gone.

01:36:01.000 Oh, wow.

01:36:02.000 99%.

01:36:02.000 Yeah, all from the snakes.

01:36:04.000 Oh, that's crazy.

01:36:05.000 There's like nothing left.

01:36:06.000 It's just monster soup.

01:36:07.000 It's just monsters?

01:36:09.000 It's just snakes and alligators. 0.61

01:36:11.000 That's all that's left. 1.00

01:36:13.000 And some poor fuck. 1.00

01:36:15.000 Imagine if you're some dipshit who doesn't know what you're doing. 1.00

01:36:17.000 You want to go hiking in there. 1.00

01:36:18.000 There's a half a million pythons.

01:36:22.000 A half a million.

01:36:24.000 Oh, wow.

01:36:24.000 In Florida.

01:36:25.000 I'm like, you're opening my eyes to this.

01:36:27.000 Yeah.

01:36:27.000 There's a half a million pythons estimated in Florida.

01:36:30.000 I've always seen things on the news and stuff about that.

01:36:33.000 Obviously, you see the Florida man things, like catches a python.

01:36:36.000 I'm like, I didn't know there was that many, though.

01:36:38.000 I think you guys are way too comfortable.

01:36:42.000 You're way too comfortable.

01:36:44.000 I don't think you realize what's right.

01:36:46.000 There's a wooded area that you go into, it's filled with monsters.

01:36:51.000 And those monsters have eaten every mammal.

01:36:55.000 With me, I think crocodiles and alligators are so cool.

01:36:58.000 They've eaten every animal and they've been around for thousands of years.

01:37:02.000 Millions.

01:37:02.000 Millions of years, yeah.

01:37:04.000 They survive everything and can kill anything. 1.00

01:37:08.000 They're cool as fuck. 1.00

01:37:09.000 They are cool. 0.97

01:37:10.000 I'm glad they're around.

01:37:11.000 Alligators and crocodiles are really cool to me.

01:37:13.000 I'm really fascinated by them.

01:37:14.000 Crocodiles are very different though.

01:37:16.000 Crocodiles are like a wolf, whereas alligators are more like a dog.

01:37:20.000 In Florida, though, like, the crocodiles aren't as aggressive, usually.

01:37:24.000 Well, are they as big?

01:37:25.000 We don't have a lot of crocodiles.

01:37:27.000 Oh, what is this?

01:37:27.000 Is this a crocodile with a person inside of it?

01:37:29.000 A snake.

01:37:30.000 A python with a five-foot alligator inside its stomach.

01:37:33.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:37:35.000 Eat it whole.

01:37:36.000 Whoa.

01:37:37.000 Oh, my God.

01:37:39.000 Look at that.

01:37:40.000 That's insane. 1.00

01:37:43.000 That is fucking insane. 0.99

01:37:47.000 It's an 18-foot, maybe 20-foot python. 1.00

01:37:50.000 20-foot python with a giant-ass alligator inside of it.

01:37:54.000 And where was this?

01:37:55.000 Where'd they find this one?

01:37:57.000 Oh, Florida.

01:37:58.000 This was in Florida?

01:37:59.000 That's where I ever go to National Park.

01:38:01.000 Wait a minute.

01:38:01.000 I thought the biggest python they ever found in Florida was like, I thought it was less than 20 feet.

01:38:07.000 Well, this is 18. This is roughly 18. Oh, okay.

01:38:10.000 A 5-foot alligator inside of it.

01:38:12.000 You know what I'm saying that is?

01:38:13.000 So it literally is monster soup.

01:38:16.000 It's monster soup.

01:38:17.000 There's nothing left.

01:38:17.000 There's no raccoons.

01:38:18.000 They're all fucked. 1.00

01:38:19.000 Imagine being a raccoon trying to get laid. 1.00

01:38:21.000 You're out there.

01:38:22.000 Anybody?

01:38:23.000 There's no one there.

01:38:24.000 No one lives there anymore.

01:38:25.000 There's no deer.

01:38:26.000 Good luck finding a deer.

01:38:27.000 They all got jacked by monsters.

01:38:30.000 It's all the monsters and all the people, too.

01:38:32.000 There's too many buildings now, I feel like.

01:38:35.000 Miami.

01:38:35.000 I feel like there's no...

01:38:36.000 I don't know.

01:38:36.000 There's no wildlife.

01:38:37.000 Maybe you should encourage people to go hiking.

01:38:40.000 In Miami?

01:38:40.000 You should go to the Everglades.

01:38:41.000 Go to the Everglades.

01:38:42.000 Go for a hike.

01:38:44.000 Solve both the problems.

01:38:46.000 That would be a real reality show.

01:38:48.000 Here's a real reality show. 0.93

01:38:50.000 Take some clout-seeking dipshit and let them camp out for the longest in the Everglades. 0.92

01:38:57.000 Don't do this. 0.99

01:38:59.000 Someone's going to take this idea and someone's going to die.

01:39:02.000 You've got to put the disclaimer on it.

01:39:05.000 One of my favorite stories about Florida was this guy was involved in a car chase with the cops, and he parks on a bridge, jumps out of the car, lands on a gator, and gets killed in front of the cops.

01:39:18.000 That's one of those ones where I'm like, can we get that fact checked?

01:39:21.000 How does that happen? 1.00

01:39:22.000 Just an asshole and karma come get you. 1.00

01:39:26.000 Karma came and got him. 1.00

01:39:28.000 Land on an alligator.

01:39:29.000 It's like a movie.

01:39:31.000 Sometimes scenes happen in real life that seem like a movie.

01:39:35.000 Florida man runs for police directly into an alligator's mouth.

01:39:39.000 When Brian Zuniga fled a traffic stop in Tampa yesterday, he had the right idea.

01:39:49.000 Sprint away from the cops, jump a fence, hide behind a water treatment plant.

01:39:53.000 But Zuniga wasn't counting on a justice-loving reptile.

01:39:57.000 He's back in custody this morning with nasty scars on his face.

01:40:00.000 Oh, this is a different one.

01:40:02.000 Yeah, this is a different one.

01:40:03.000 This is another one. 1.00

01:40:05.000 Many of these dipshits have fucking landed on alligators. 1.00

01:40:09.000 Yeah, one guy died. 1.00

01:40:11.000 This dude jumped off a bridge, though.

01:40:13.000 Got his arm bitten off.

01:40:14.000 Yeah, that's Gator Man. 0.83

01:40:15.000 That guy wandered around for, like, days with one arm.

01:40:19.000 He's like, man, I didn't know what it was.

01:40:22.000 Oh, this one just happened recently. 0.96

01:40:25.000 It's a wild ass place. 0.77

01:40:26.000 Who would have thought that Florida would be like the battleground for freedom in America? 0.85

01:40:31.000 Like, who would have ever thought that Florida would be the place where all the people are like, we need freedom!

01:40:36.000 Florida was the spot.

01:40:38.000 Yeah, no, especially I feel like during COVID and stuff like that, it's like, I think that's what's drawn all the people to us.

01:40:44.000 It was like since COVID, everybody, like you said, like with the freedom and everybody's just kind of rushed their way there.

01:40:52.000 It's so funny that he got so much, DeSantis got so much criticism from that.

01:40:56.000 But at the end of the day, he was right.

01:40:58.000 And no one wants to admit it.

01:40:59.000 He said, protect your elderly, treat your elderly, everybody else, you should be able to go back to life. 0.99

01:41:05.000 And he was right.

01:41:06.000 And everybody was like, you're killing everyone!

01:41:08.000 He was right.

01:41:09.000 Yeah, I think we never really, like, gyms might have shut down for like a week, but we were still open, you know?

01:41:15.000 Thank God.

01:41:16.000 Like, there is nothing that really, like, shut down for a long time in Florida.

01:41:20.000 Jiu-jitsu gyms in L.A. got hit hard.

01:41:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:23.000 They got hit hard.

01:41:23.000 I heard a lot about New York, how terrible it was.

01:41:25.000 Horrible.

01:41:26.000 Yeah.

01:41:26.000 Well, the Donaher desk squad, they all went to Puerto Rico so they could train.

01:41:29.000 Mm-hmm.

01:41:29.000 Imagine that?

01:41:31.000 Literally going to an island in the middle of the fucking ocean so you could train. 1.00

01:41:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:35.000 That's so crazy. 1.00

01:41:38.000 I worked with Dean a lot during that time, so it's like we would constantly just wherever we can find mad space.

01:41:44.000 We don't even need mad.

01:41:45.000 Dean would drill on carpet with me if we got it.

01:41:48.000 So wherever it was, we made it work and we made it happen during that time.

01:41:52.000 But there was a lot of opportunities and there wasn't a lot of places closing either.

01:41:56.000 Well, the places in LA, they, you know, people had to meet privately in different spots.

01:42:02.000 They had to try to keep their game going and then, you know, just hope someone wasn't sick.

01:42:06.000 And everybody had so much anxiety. 0.79

01:42:08.000 But I didn't hear of anybody really getting fucked up by it in the jiu-jitsu community.

01:42:12.000 No, and then it's like I fought in Abu Dhabi during that time, so it's like flying over there. 0.84

01:42:17.000 It's like you have to COVID test, I think, 10 times before you touch the island.

01:42:22.000 It's just crazy all the things that we had to go through during that time period.

01:42:26.000 It feels like it was a different world then.

01:42:28.000 I know.

01:42:29.000 And it's amazing that the UFC pulled it off.

01:42:31.000 It was brilliant.

01:42:33.000 Everybody was telling them, what are you doing?

01:42:35.000 You're going to have fights on during a pandemic. 0.97

01:42:37.000 You're going to kill people.

01:42:38.000 You're risking people's lives. 0.96

01:42:39.000 And they're like, look, we're going to do it with no crowd.

01:42:41.000 We're going to test everybody.

01:42:42.000 Not good enough.

01:42:43.000 People still didn't want it.

01:42:45.000 Stay home as if somehow or another a respiratory virus is going to, like, dissipate because everybody stayed home.

01:42:51.000 Like, stop.

01:42:52.000 You're talking nonsense.

01:42:54.000 It doesn't work that way.

01:42:55.000 So they did it, and it all took off.

01:42:58.000 And then NBA started doing it with no audience.

01:43:01.000 And then they started creeping audiences back in and like the Apex Center.

01:43:04.000 And I remember the first time we did it in an audience, again, it was, I think it was Jacksonville.

01:43:10.000 It was crazy because like Florida was one of the only places where you could do it.

01:43:14.000 And it was a full packed arena.

01:43:16.000 And I was like, this is the super spreader event of all time.

01:43:21.000 This is the middle of everything.

01:43:23.000 And everything was fine.

01:43:24.000 Yeah, I feel like the audiences have come back stronger since COVID too.

01:43:30.000 It used to be like first couple fights, there'd be nobody in the audience during the prelims.

01:43:34.000 And now it's like the first two fights, there's already fans there.

01:43:37.000 Everybody's just like ready to get in their seats.

01:43:39.000 I love that when I get there and we're there for like 4 p.m.

01:43:43.000 fights and it's already packed.

01:43:45.000 That's exciting.

01:43:46.000 But I get it.

01:43:47.000 Six hours is a lot of fights.

01:43:49.000 Oh yeah.

01:43:50.000 It's definitely a lot of fights, but as the fighter, it's nice to have that crowd there.

01:43:56.000 It's nice to have that energy there.

01:43:58.000 I like probably one of my me being Canadian fighting in Edmonton was probably like my one of my most memorable fights just because of that the energy in the crowd just because of how many people were screaming and it's like I'm not walking out in Liverpool and getting booed you know right did that feel like it had added pressure on you It didn't add pressure.

01:44:18.000 I love it more than anything else.

01:44:20.000 The fights at the Apex almost don't have the same feel to me.

01:44:25.000 They don't have the same vibe around them.

01:44:27.000 Even the winds, it's just like you're celebrating by yourself.

01:44:31.000 To have the crowd there and just that energy in the room, it just makes everything different when you're walking in the cage.

01:44:37.000 I totally get it, but as a fan, watching the Apex is really special.

01:44:41.000 There's something about being able to watch fights with no crowd, and the fights are being broadcast on television.

01:44:46.000 I was thinking at every one of them, like, wow, I'm so lucky that I can be here and do this.

01:44:53.000 Because just to be in this moment, there's only 100 people here.

01:44:57.000 This is in the middle of these crazy, weird times, but I'm getting to experience Tony Ferguson versus Justin Gaethje, this wild, crazy fight with no audience. 0.98

01:45:06.000 And it was a fucking war, a crazy fight with no audience. 0.98

01:45:10.000 It's so weird. 1.00

01:45:11.000 It feels like it's almost like too chill of a scenario when you're in there.

01:45:14.000 It's like, okay, I'm in a fist fight, but it's just like, because it's so quiet.

01:45:19.000 It's just so relaxed.

01:45:20.000 It's weird.

01:45:22.000 It's very different to experience as a fan.

01:45:24.000 I couldn't imagine the difference in when you do something and there's no cheering.

01:45:30.000 Maybe you hear your coaches and that's it.

01:45:31.000 But you also can hear specific instruction very clearly.

01:45:35.000 And you can hear her coaches very specifically then, too.

01:45:39.000 So that definitely plays into it. 0.99

01:45:41.000 Or just watching as a fan, you can hear the shit talk between the fighters on the mics. 0.98

01:45:48.000 It just definitely adds a different aspect. 0.92

01:45:50.000 Well, that's why Mark Henry's got such a fascinating way of doing it, where he comes up with nicknames for every move, and they're different for every camp.

01:46:00.000 Yeah.

01:46:00.000 Which is crazy.

01:46:01.000 Yeah.

01:46:02.000 I feel like trying to remember that would be hard.

01:46:05.000 Rashad said he was blown away.

01:46:06.000 He's like, this guy writes out all these different names.

01:46:10.000 Like, this would be the name of your friend.

01:46:12.000 This would be the name of your daughter.

01:46:13.000 This is the street you grew up on.

01:46:15.000 Like, what?

01:46:15.000 Yeah.

01:46:15.000 Yeah, I'm not remembering all that.

01:46:18.000 With Dean, I feel like he relies on my decision-making ability a lot.

01:46:24.000 And he relies on the fact that we're prepared, that we spend 10 weeks, 12 weeks, whatever, preparing for this moment.

01:46:30.000 So it's like, I should be ready for every opportunity or every obstacle she throws at me.

01:46:35.000 So you will hear him in the corner, but not often.

01:46:39.000 I feel like he only talks when he feels necessary, so he trusts me to make my own decisions the majority of the fight.

01:46:46.000 That's awesome.

01:46:47.000 I feel like also that's what's helped me build great decision-making, and I feel like at a championship level, decision-making is what makes one of the biggest differences.

01:46:56.000 That's a very good point.

01:46:57.000 That's interesting.

01:46:59.000 That's the thing about it, like, for the overall health of the pupil.

01:47:03.000 Yeah, because as you're going through the challenges, they're going to get more difficult, and you're going to have to kind of sort it out on your own, and then whatever mistakes are made, you correct in the gym.

01:47:11.000 For me, at the end of the day, I'm walking in the cage by myself.

01:47:14.000 I need to be ready for that moment.

01:47:16.000 I need to be ready to answer everything.

01:47:19.000 I think it was my second or third UFC fight.

01:47:21.000 I had just one girl in my corner and she was an amateur fighter. 1.00

01:47:26.000 I just needed someone to warm me up.

01:47:28.000 We have those 12 weeks of preparation and I'm ready no matter what walking in there.

01:47:32.000 So it doesn't really matter who's in the corner.

01:47:35.000 What does a camp look like for you?

01:47:37.000 Is it laid out in advance?

01:47:39.000 Do you have strength and conditioning sessions that you do separate to your MMA training?

01:47:44.000 I actually don't do strength and conditioning at all.

01:47:46.000 You just do MMA training?

01:47:47.000 Yeah, I just do MMA. Is that unusual?

01:47:49.000 I think it is.

01:47:50.000 I think a lot of people think I'm weird because I don't do it.

01:47:53.000 I think that it's more beneficial.

01:47:55.000 Like you only have so many hours in the day and there's so many sports.

01:47:59.000 There's jujitsu, wrestling, striking.

01:48:01.000 It's like there's so much to learn.

01:48:03.000 So it's like I can only invest so much time into each of them.

01:48:07.000 So I... I choose to invest my time into technical abilities.

01:48:11.000 And for my cardio more, I get it in rounds.

01:48:15.000 So it's like I do jujitsu rounds or MMA rounds.

01:48:19.000 I do MMA rounds three times a week.

01:48:21.000 So it's like I'm constantly getting that cardio work, getting that push.

01:48:26.000 I feel like there's nothing that can really match that MMA pace, that MMA cardio.

01:48:31.000 So it's like you can do striking for six months then come to jujitsu and have shitty jujitsu cardio.

01:48:37.000 So it's like I think you have to be doing MMA to get MMA cardio.

01:48:41.000 I don't think running or anything like that necessarily supplements it.

01:48:44.000 Do you guys do things like switch out opponents and live drills and things like that to like ramp up your heart rate and simulate moments inside fights?

01:48:55.000 Things like that.

01:48:57.000 It depends on who my opponent is in the cage.

01:49:00.000 If I'm going with the boys or with the girls, if I'm going with the boys, they can push the pace for me no matter what.

01:49:06.000 They're stronger, faster, typically.

01:49:10.000 We have a good group of 125-pound boys who can really push the pace for me technically.

01:49:15.000 And then with the girls, we usually set goals for me.

01:49:18.000 So it would be like, just try to score as many submissions as you can this round.

01:49:21.000 Or we're trying to score five takedowns a round.

01:49:24.000 So just make sure you push the pace to make sure that...

01:49:27.000 I want to be ready to shoot ten takedowns a round every fight that I go into.

01:49:31.000 Just so I'm confident in that.

01:49:33.000 And it's not like a necessity of me, like, I need to get it to the ground this time.

01:49:39.000 I can shoot ten more times.

01:49:40.000 We'll just come up with strikes. 0.94

01:49:41.000 We'll figure out when the opportunity is right.

01:49:45.000 I like that strategy because you're essentially doing strength and conditioning through skill drills.

01:49:50.000 Exactly.

01:49:50.000 All my strength and conditioning is just getting rounds in, doing sparring.

01:49:55.000 Well, I mean, there's nothing that makes you stronger than wrestling, right?

01:49:59.000 And if you're doing that kind of thing, like trying to get as many takedowns as possible, I mean, that is a form of strength and conditioning for sure.

01:50:06.000 Absolutely.

01:50:07.000 It's a different type of...

01:50:09.000 We usually, once a week, we'll do big gloves, so boxing gloves and takedowns, and we just do king of the hill.

01:50:17.000 And there's two 10-minute rounds, and those two 10-minute rounds will kill you every time just trying to take someone down.

01:50:24.000 Because we have big gloves on, we're hitting hard and then getting takedowns.

01:50:27.000 And it's like, those rounds, I don't feel like there's anything that pushes my cardio like that.

01:50:31.000 That's interesting.

01:50:32.000 How much harder is it to take someone down with big gloves?

01:50:35.000 It definitely adds a different element, you know?

01:50:38.000 Especially, like I said, these rounds, we specifically, like, know we're going for the takedown.

01:50:42.000 So it's hard, hard rounds.

01:50:45.000 Yeah.

01:50:46.000 Like, when you're talking big, are you talking like 16, 18?

01:50:49.000 How big are the gloves?

01:50:50.000 Yeah, like 14, 16. Okay.

01:50:52.000 Just boxing gloves, yeah.

01:50:53.000 Versus using, like, MMA sparring gloves, like six ounce.

01:50:57.000 What are your thoughts on hard sparring versus technical sparring?

01:51:02.000 I think you need a little bit of both.

01:51:04.000 I think you definitely need to learn how to bring that dog out in the fight when you need to.

01:51:08.000 So you need those hard sparring rounds.

01:51:10.000 You need those rounds to make you confident in walking forward and confident in pushing the pace.

01:51:16.000 But it's also technical sparring rounds is...

01:51:20.000 You need a hundred times more of those.

01:51:22.000 You can do as many of those as you want because you're not taking the damage.

01:51:25.000 But that's what's going to build your reaction time, what's going to make you think more.

01:51:30.000 A lot of times if you get too much hard sparring, then you get a little bit like punch shy.

01:51:35.000 You're not going to build the right reactions.

01:51:37.000 So if you get more technical sparring, you're building more right reactions and you're building just, I don't know, I feel like you need both.

01:51:46.000 I think you're probably right.

01:51:47.000 And I think most people would probably agree with you.

01:51:50.000 But for longevity, the one concern is like how much hard sparring you do in training and how much that takes out of your longevity, how much that takes out of your overall career.

01:52:02.000 Like Max Holloway is not sparring at all anymore, which I found really fascinating.

01:52:07.000 His reasoning is you take unnecessary damage in sparring and I know how to fight and I'll just do drills and work on my conditioning and do it through drills and he's been very successful doing it.

01:52:18.000 Someone like him it might be a little bit of a different circumstance where he just has that dog in him you know you don't need any he doesn't need the hard sparring to bring that out of him at all or to like make him feel comfortable there like that's just Max has that in him.

01:52:32.000 He's also had so many high level fights that like the Timing.

01:52:37.000 It's all in his head.

01:52:38.000 He understands what happens.

01:52:39.000 He's been there with Volkanovski over and over again.

01:52:42.000 He's been in there with Conor McGregor in the early days. 1.00

01:52:46.000 He's a fucking animal. 1.00

01:52:48.000 Max Holloway's an animal. 1.00

01:52:50.000 He's really good.

01:52:51.000 Max is, yeah, I feel like he's like the people's champ.

01:52:54.000 He's such a good guy, too.

01:52:56.000 He's like the nicest guy ever. 0.96

01:52:57.000 He's so friendly and fun, but man, when he turns it on inside the cage, holy shit, he's got extra gears. 0.98

01:53:05.000 That guy's got extra gears. 0.94

01:53:08.000 He's another one that's a fantastic example of dedication and hard work and the results.

01:53:13.000 Because, like, and he'll tell you, he's like, I'm not the most athletic guy.

01:53:16.000 There's nothing.

01:53:17.000 It's just he worked harder than everybody.

01:53:20.000 He's more intense than everybody. 0.88

01:53:21.000 And then when you saw him in his prime, man, he was a monster.

01:53:26.000 He just would put it on people and put a pace on people they just couldn't keep up with.

01:53:30.000 I feel like that's so much about what it is.

01:53:32.000 It's just showing up.

01:53:33.000 It's just being there, willing to do the work, willing to be coachable.

01:53:38.000 You have to show up.

01:53:41.000 I feel like so many people fall in love with the stardom and the starlight of the sport, and they don't realize that it's the showing up every day and grinding and getting the work in that's really going to produce results.

01:53:54.000 Yeah, it's a long process.

01:53:56.000 It's a long, long, long process.

01:53:58.000 But it's got to be exciting to be in the spot of the process that you're at, knowing how you were in the beginning when you just started taking kickboxing classes to look at you now.

01:54:07.000 I feel like it's been a short process in the grand scheme of things.

01:54:11.000 It's been 12 years since I started training and six years of that has been in the UFC. Which is really fun.

01:54:17.000 Yeah.

01:54:18.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:54:19.000 That's crazy.

01:54:20.000 Yeah.

01:54:22.000 I feel like it's just gone by so fast, really.

01:54:26.000 It's crazy to work with people and work with people who it's their first day and you're trying to teach them, like, all right, move your hip over here.

01:54:35.000 And they can't...

01:54:36.000 Figure it out.

01:54:37.000 Yeah, they just can't comprehend it.

01:54:38.000 And you're like, was I ever like that?

01:54:41.000 Do you remember what you were like when you first started?

01:54:43.000 Did it come to you easily?

01:54:44.000 Did you...

01:54:45.000 It definitely came to me more easily.

01:54:46.000 I don't remember like me ever being like, I don't know.

01:54:50.000 Super, super awkward.

01:54:51.000 Yeah, super terrible.

01:54:52.000 But I know I was, I know it definitely came easy and I was good at jujitsu from the time that I started.

01:54:58.000 Did you do any sports before that?

01:54:59.000 I did nothing.

01:55:01.000 Nothing.

01:55:01.000 I did gymnastics when I was probably like five or six for a year.

01:55:06.000 And my parents put me in soccer multiple times because they played soccer.

01:55:10.000 My brother played soccer.

01:55:11.000 My dad coached soccer.

01:55:12.000 So it was like they tried a couple of times and I quit a couple of times.

01:55:16.000 And then it was just they were like, you need to get some type of hobby, some type of activity.

01:55:22.000 And that's when I started volunteering with animals.

01:55:24.000 Oh.

01:55:25.000 Did they...

01:55:26.000 Was it totally out of left field when you became a fighter for them?

01:55:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:55:29.000 Completely out of left field.

01:55:30.000 Like, what the hell, girl?

01:55:32.000 Everybody expected me to be a vet. 0.74

01:55:34.000 Like, that was just, like, the trajectory I was on.

01:55:37.000 And I don't...

01:55:38.000 Like, literally my parents growing up would tell me that, like, if somebody's, like, trying to start problems with you, just walk away.

01:55:44.000 You know?

01:55:45.000 Like, don't start any, like, fights or anything like that.

01:55:48.000 They're...

01:55:48.000 They are complete pacifists on that side.

01:55:52.000 And I couldn't tell you the difference between the WWE and the UFC when I started.

01:55:57.000 Really?

01:55:57.000 I had no idea what Brazilian Jiu Jitsu was.

01:56:00.000 Nothing.

01:56:00.000 I had no idea.

01:56:02.000 So it was just, I really don't know where I got the thought where I wanted to do it.

01:56:08.000 Was there a lot of high level people that were around you at the time?

01:56:11.000 Because you walked into Dean's gym.

01:56:14.000 Yeah, well, I guess before that, to walk into there, I don't really know what was my motive.

01:56:21.000 But in the gym, he had a couple of, I guess, pro guys who were doing all right.

01:56:27.000 Nobody too high level, but it was just...

01:56:29.000 I don't know.

01:56:30.000 I fell in love with just the environment of it all.

01:56:32.000 I just loved the grind of it all.

01:56:36.000 I just remember when I was in the cardio kickboxing class with a bunch of soccer moms, pretty much, and after the first day, I didn't expect it to be that much of a workout.

01:56:46.000 For some reason.

01:56:47.000 So I was like, beat right in the face.

01:56:50.000 And one of the moms, she was like, just make sure you keep coming back.

01:56:53.000 And like, I just remember, like, always thinking about that, because I don't know if like, I probably would have kept coming back.

01:56:59.000 But it definitely was like, I didn't want to on the first day. 0.99

01:57:02.000 I was like, this shit's hard. 0.98

01:57:04.000 Do you think that lady saying that to you made you come back? 1.00

01:57:07.000 I think it might have influenced something because I was like...

01:57:10.000 Wow!

01:57:11.000 I was like, all right, now I have to.

01:57:13.000 She's expecting me to be there, you know?

01:57:15.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:57:17.000 How just one weird moment, one weird interaction where someone could say something to you to change the course of your whole life.

01:57:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:23.000 I feel like it's so weird that it's something that I walked into Dean's gym.

01:57:27.000 Yeah.

01:57:28.000 What are the odds?

01:57:29.000 The chances that that happened is he's still my coach 12 years later.

01:57:32.000 That's just...

01:57:34.000 I feel like you can't walk into a better spot, really.

01:57:37.000 You can't.

01:57:37.000 You just got lucky.

01:57:38.000 I mean, but is that what it is?

01:57:40.000 Or is it destiny?

01:57:41.000 I mean, it's a great story.

01:57:42.000 If I wanted to tell a story about an MMA fighter who did nothing until she was 16 and takes cardio kickboxing, and then some little old lady says, you keep coming back! 0.99

01:57:52.000 And she's like, ah! 0.99

01:57:54.000 Okay, I said hi to the old lady. 1.00

01:57:56.000 Now I gotta keep coming back.

01:57:57.000 She's gonna be mad at me.

01:57:59.000 I feel like everything, I don't know, everything in my career kind of did just like line up like that.

01:58:03.000 It was like whenever Ronda got into the UFC, I was just getting into my amateur career.

01:58:08.000 And then whenever I stopped being able to make 115, they opened up the 125 pound division.

01:58:13.000 And it was like...

01:58:15.000 So you had to have at least three fights and a winning record to get into the Tough House.

01:58:22.000 And I was two and two.

01:58:24.000 And I was searching for a fight, searching for a fight, couldn't find anything.

01:58:27.000 Then the week before the Tough House tryouts, I got a fight.

01:58:30.000 And I fought the Saturday before, then tried out for the Tough House the next weekend.

01:58:34.000 Wow.

01:58:35.000 So I feel like everything's just kind of lined up perfectly.

01:58:38.000 Just, I don't know.

01:58:40.000 Do you ever wonder whether or not there's a divine plan?

01:58:44.000 I definitely think that I was made for this.

01:58:46.000 Like, I feel like I was made for this spot, made for this sport, and I feel like there is a reason that everything lined up.

01:58:52.000 What do you think that reason is?

01:58:54.000 I don't know yet, I guess.

01:58:56.000 I definitely...

01:58:58.000 I don't know.

01:59:01.000 I think I'm capable of something that a lot of people aren't capable of, and how I can, I guess, show this sport, how I can translate this sport.

01:59:14.000 You're definitely a unique person and a very thoughtful person and a person that if someone talked to you and they did not know that you are a professional cage fighter of the highest level, they would never imagine it!

01:59:28.000 You seem so, like, friendly and normal.

01:59:31.000 And then if I show, like, there should be a show where people get to meet you and then guess what you do?

01:59:37.000 They don't guess what you do.

01:59:39.000 They just talk to you.

01:59:39.000 They can't ask you what you do.

01:59:41.000 They just talk to you about life.

01:59:42.000 They can't ask you questions about martial arts.

01:59:45.000 They can't ask you questions about anything for an occupation.

01:59:48.000 Just, oh, how do you feel about climate change?

01:59:52.000 Whatever. 1.00

01:59:52.000 Just talk to you about shit and go, what do you think she does? 1.00

01:59:55.000 Zero people would say cage fighter. 1.00

01:59:57.000 Zero.

01:59:58.000 I feel like it's almost like two completely different people, like Jillian and the Savage.

02:00:03.000 I'm like, when I'm in the cage, I'm like, it's a completely, like, after, it's actually the Maria Agpova fight, I sit down on the floor and I throw up two middle fingers.

02:00:13.000 And post-fight, one of the UFC guys, he was like, so you throw up the two middle fingers, like, what was all that about?

02:00:20.000 I was like, I did that?

02:00:21.000 Like, I completely, like, blacked out, didn't remember I did that at all.

02:00:25.000 Wow.

02:00:26.000 I'm like, it's a completely different person there.

02:00:28.000 I don't take any accountability for that.

02:00:32.000 Do you have, like, a switch where that person comes in, or is it only when the fight starts?

02:00:39.000 I want to say it's whenever my walkout song starts.

02:00:42.000 Because there's definitely the pre-fight nerves.

02:00:44.000 I feel like everybody has them.

02:00:46.000 And I go through them all day in the locker room.

02:00:49.000 And then as soon as I'm making the walk, I don't have nerves anymore.

02:00:52.000 I'm just ready to go, ready to walk out there.

02:00:54.000 And it's like...

02:00:56.000 I don't know, like even in that fight, I was sitting there and I'm choking that girl and I'm just looking at the ref like, oh, she's out trying to tell him calmly.

02:01:03.000 I'm like, it's just something, I don't know, something weird, something different that happens whenever I'm in the cage.

02:01:09.000 Do you feel like you get like a tunnel vision?

02:01:12.000 Do you feel like, or do you feel like legitimately like you're a different person?

02:01:18.000 It's probably more of just like a tunnel vision.

02:01:20.000 After the fight, I think I'm a different person. 0.99

02:01:23.000 Sometimes I'm like, I'm sitting there screaming and shit. 1.00

02:01:25.000 I'm like, who the fuck is that? 1.00

02:01:28.000 But, yeah, it's really just a tunnel vision. 0.99

02:01:31.000 I remember my last fight just looking around the arena and seeing just like a full arena of so many people.

02:01:38.000 And then as soon as he's like, fight, are you ready?

02:01:41.000 All the lights turn off in the arena.

02:01:42.000 And it's like, it's just you and her then.

02:01:44.000 And it's like...

02:01:46.000 I don't know.

02:01:46.000 It's just such a focused moment.

02:01:48.000 It's such a surreal moment in there.

02:01:50.000 What is it like hearing the cheers?

02:01:53.000 I feel like you've got to kind of block them out until after the fight.

02:01:56.000 Because even during the fight, if somebody's cheering you on, it's like, all right, now I feel like I've got to do something.

02:02:02.000 Or you feel like they're cheering the other person on you.

02:02:05.000 Do you guys hear boos, like if it's in a clinch and someone boos?

02:02:09.000 Oh yeah, everybody's screaming the Ric Flair woo the whole time.

02:02:13.000 Like the second you get a takedown.

02:02:16.000 I'm like, I'm sitting on top of this girl for four seconds and you guys are already screaming.

02:02:21.000 Come on.

02:02:21.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

02:02:23.000 But that's the problem with casuals.

02:02:25.000 They don't understand how hard it is to get there, what the consequences are.

02:02:28.000 Maybe they don't even know you.

02:02:30.000 They don't get the consequences.

02:02:32.000 I feel like grappling also isn't like a casual favorite sport.

02:02:37.000 They want to see you stand and bang.

02:02:39.000 So it's like me being a submission artist, I feel like I haven't really gotten a lot of that attention, I guess.

02:02:46.000 I don't have a lot of fans in that department.

02:02:50.000 Yeah, but if they watch that Meatball Molly finish, Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:02:53.000 I mean, that is dramatic.

02:02:55.000 When she comes to and she's kicking.

02:02:58.000 You've seen it, obviously.

02:03:00.000 When she wakes back up.

02:03:01.000 That is always weird to me.

02:03:03.000 When someone comes back.

02:03:05.000 It's like, where were you?

02:03:07.000 Where'd you go?

02:03:07.000 Where'd your brain go?

02:03:08.000 I've had it once in a grappling competition where I didn't go completely out.

02:03:13.000 But I tapped and the ref called it a couple seconds later. 0.93

02:03:17.000 And I couldn't sit up all the way.

02:03:19.000 And I just kind of fell back.

02:03:20.000 But I was still there.

02:03:21.000 But I just remember...

02:03:23.000 I instantly felt like, well, I was scared I peed myself at first.

02:03:28.000 I was like, I felt like I was sitting in like a cold puddle.

02:03:31.000 And I woke up and I was like, no, I'm good.

02:03:33.000 I'm like, I just went out a little bit, but I'm good.

02:03:37.000 But I don't know, it's such a weird scenario.

02:03:40.000 I don't know, a weird feeling.

02:03:43.000 I went out on a fighter jet once.

02:03:46.000 I blacked out.

02:03:48.000 We went seven and a half Gs on this one thing.

02:03:52.000 And it was with the Blue Angels.

02:03:54.000 And you have to hold on to this.

02:03:56.000 You're holding on to the whatever it is.

02:03:59.000 The yoke?

02:03:59.000 Is that what it is?

02:04:00.000 What do they call those things?

02:04:02.000 The fighter pilot will hold on to this thing.

02:04:04.000 And they have to do this thing called hooking.

02:04:06.000 Where they go like this.

02:04:07.000 Hoot! 1.00

02:04:08.000 Hoot! 1.00

02:04:09.000 Well, you're literally pumping blood into your brain to try to stay consciousness because the pressure of the G-force, you see black on both sides like an elevator door.

02:04:17.000 Like, it's closing your consciousness.

02:04:19.000 It's literally like a visual thing.

02:04:20.000 Oh yeah, as Tito Ortiz went out.

02:04:22.000 Oh my god!

02:04:23.000 How many G's did they hit him with?

02:04:25.000 I'm not 100% sure.

02:04:27.000 I just saw this going around and it looked nuts.

02:04:29.000 Yeah, they hit you with crazy G's and then you black out.

02:04:32.000 And that's not good.

02:04:33.000 That's not good.

02:04:34.000 That's not good.

02:04:34.000 Also, what does that do to your neck?

02:04:36.000 When you go on all those G's and your fucking neck is flopping around. 0.99

02:04:40.000 But I did it at one, but then the second we did another thing and I didn't hook quick enough. 0.99

02:04:47.000 Or I didn't realize it was as many G's as it was.

02:04:50.000 It was actually less G's than we had already done, and I blacked out.

02:04:54.000 And then I woke up and I threw up.

02:04:59.000 He was at nine G's.

02:05:00.000 Yeah, that's a lot.

02:05:00.000 I did seven and a half.

02:05:02.000 I got to seven and a half G's.

02:05:03.000 It's a crazy feeling.

02:05:04.000 It's real weird.

02:05:05.000 But you have to...

02:05:07.000 I mean, you can only stay...

02:05:08.000 I don't know how long you stay conscious for.

02:05:10.000 But those guys, they don't fly with suits.

02:05:13.000 They don't have like a G suit.

02:05:16.000 There's a certain G suit that helps you absorb.

02:05:19.000 But either way, that's the only way I've been out.

02:05:22.000 I got choked out by a plane.

02:05:25.000 I'm like, I've put more people out than I've been put out, so I'm like, that's a good thing.

02:05:30.000 That's the perfect ratio.

02:05:32.000 Exactly.

02:05:33.000 Yeah, that's exactly what you want.

02:05:34.000 I don't think it's that bad for you, but I don't think it's good for you either.

02:05:37.000 Like, whenever I see radio DJs that want to get strangled, I'm like, I don't know if that's innocuous.

02:05:43.000 I don't know the drive behind that, like why you would want that.

02:05:49.000 Steve-O did it on one of his specials.

02:05:51.000 He had Tim Kennedy choke him out.

02:05:53.000 I watched it recently.

02:05:54.000 I think Mike Bisping did it too with Steve-O. Oh god, everybody's choking Steve-O. Yeah, it was just last week.

02:06:00.000 Why?

02:06:00.000 Did they both drop him?

02:06:01.000 Because Tim Kennedy dropped him.

02:06:03.000 He laid him down quite gently. 0.93

02:06:04.000 Well, Tim Kennedy's a savage. 0.87

02:06:06.000 He just let him drop. 0.90

02:06:07.000 I think he asked to let him drop.

02:06:10.000 I think we had this conversation.

02:06:11.000 Didn't we, Steve-O? These guys.

02:06:15.000 So silly. 1.00

02:06:17.000 You know? 1.00

02:06:18.000 Letting people choke you to sleep and then dropping you on your head. 0.96

02:06:21.000 Okay. 1.00

02:06:24.000 Steve-O's so nuts. 0.99

02:06:25.000 He's so reckless. 0.72

02:06:26.000 That was my thought whenever there was the Nate Diaz altercation a couple months ago with the choke.

02:06:32.000 I was like, it's not about the choke.

02:06:34.000 It's about him dropping them.

02:06:35.000 I'm like, him hitting his head on the concrete.

02:06:37.000 That's what worries me.

02:06:38.000 Yeah, he did hit his head.

02:06:40.000 He didn't hit his head bad, though.

02:06:42.000 It wasn't like from a full knockout.

02:06:43.000 Full knockouts are scary on concrete.

02:06:45.000 Oh, my God.

02:06:46.000 They're so scary.

02:06:47.000 Because when people's heads bounce off the curb, people die like that all the time.

02:06:51.000 It's like getting hit in the head by the world.

02:06:54.000 That's what it's like.

02:06:55.000 Your head cracks. 1.00

02:06:56.000 It's fucking terrible. 1.00

02:06:57.000 Don't fight, kids. 1.00

02:06:58.000 Stay home.

02:06:59.000 Go to the gym.

02:07:00.000 Go to the gym and fight like a woman. 1.00

02:07:02.000 Right?

02:07:03.000 Do you say that?

02:07:04.000 Fight Like a Woman? 0.99

02:07:05.000 Isn't that like a t-shirt line?

02:07:06.000 Probably.

02:07:07.000 I'm not sure.

02:07:07.000 Probably.

02:07:08.000 It should be maybe.

02:07:10.000 Do you have any aspirations outside of MMA? At one point in time, do you think you'd like to do something else?

02:07:19.000 I would like to try to maybe branch into commentary or something like that.

02:07:24.000 I really do.

02:07:25.000 I just want to be in the fight game.

02:07:27.000 I love fights.

02:07:28.000 I love analyzing fights, so I would like to hopefully get better at that one day.

02:07:33.000 Well, the UFC always uses fighters, which is great.

02:07:36.000 I mean, it's the most insightful commentation you're ever going to get.

02:07:40.000 That's not a word, right?

02:07:41.000 Commentation?

02:07:42.000 Commentary.

02:07:42.000 You're never going to get.

02:07:43.000 It's from fighters.

02:07:44.000 Yeah, and Laura Sanko's killing it for the girls too. 1.00

02:07:47.000 She's killing it. 1.00

02:07:47.000 Yeah, she's doing great. 1.00

02:07:49.000 It's, I mean, obviously Invicta, you know, there's a lot of chicks that are doing commentary. 1.00

02:07:54.000 And it's a great thing for the sport to have fighters like yourself that can, you can have an insight into, especially if like there's like a big fight in your weight class.

02:08:04.000 You know, like maybe someone who you could eventually face and you've been looking at tape on them and, you know, you could maybe exploit some things and talk about it.

02:08:13.000 Yeah, I love it like when Felder does it or DC does it.

02:08:17.000 I used to love Kenny Florian.

02:08:19.000 It's Michael Bisping.

02:08:20.000 It's awesome.

02:08:21.000 Dominic Cruz.

02:08:22.000 It's the best gig for those guys, too, because you're still in it.

02:08:27.000 You're still going to all the fights.

02:08:29.000 You're analyzing stuff.

02:08:31.000 You're still a part of the excitement of it all, which is truly the most exciting thing.

02:08:36.000 I've been to a lot of stuff.

02:08:38.000 Been to a lot of sports.

02:08:39.000 Been to a lot of music shows.

02:08:41.000 Been to a lot of things.

02:08:43.000 There's not much out there that's as exciting as a world title UFC fight.

02:08:47.000 Not much.

02:08:48.000 Not much.

02:08:50.000 Yeah, I just love to, like, I'm not sure if coaching is necessarily the right step for me, and I would want to do something where I'm staying with a sport.

02:08:57.000 I'm staying around it.

02:08:58.000 Yeah, commentary, some type of thing where it's just, I need to be around this kind of energy.

02:09:04.000 Like you said, there's nothing that can compare to a world title fight.

02:09:07.000 I think with someone as dedicated as yourself, too, you'd be very frustrated if you had students that weren't as dedicated.

02:09:13.000 Am I right?

02:09:13.000 I feel like that's a common thing.

02:09:15.000 Yeah.

02:09:16.000 I think that it's hard to find somebody who is as dedicated as me a lot of times.

02:09:20.000 Or people who, I don't know, I don't want to say wanted is bad, but it's like a lot of people.

02:09:25.000 That is what it is.

02:09:26.000 Yeah, people don't want to put in the time or the effort.

02:09:28.000 And I'm like, this is literally your job or your dream.

02:09:31.000 Why aren't you just trying everything you can to make it happen?

02:09:34.000 Yeah.

02:09:35.000 It's funny.

02:09:36.000 But it's a discipline issue and it's a focus issue.

02:09:40.000 And some people, they don't trust in the process either.

02:09:44.000 They feel like they got better for a little while, and then they hit a sort of a lull, and they lose faith.

02:09:51.000 It happens all the time.

02:09:52.000 You'll see guys going through bad stretches at the gym, and then you'll see them for a while.

02:09:55.000 It's like, what happened?

02:09:57.000 I don't know, I got tired of jiu-jitsu.

02:09:59.000 But you were on a good path.

02:10:02.000 You just got to be able to push through.

02:10:03.000 You got to be able to get through bad spots.

02:10:06.000 That's why I keep showing up is the biggest thing that I feel like.

02:10:09.000 Keep showing up.

02:10:10.000 You just got to keep on showing up.

02:10:12.000 Keep on being there, even on the day, especially on the days when you don't want to be there.

02:10:16.000 You got to be there.

02:10:17.000 And I don't know.

02:10:19.000 There's nowhere else I would rather be.

02:10:21.000 And I've been just showing up for 12 years.

02:10:24.000 And I feel like it's worked out pretty well.

02:10:26.000 It's worked out awesome.

02:10:27.000 It's worked out awesome.

02:10:28.000 And it's great advice.

02:10:30.000 It really is.

02:10:31.000 Because as long as you stay focused and try to be positive and try to be happy, there's a process going on with anything you're trying to get good at.

02:10:39.000 And if you're really involved in something and you're really interested in it and you really focus on it, you're going to get better.

02:10:45.000 And then you're going to look back and go, wow, I'm glad I kept doing that thing.

02:10:49.000 Imagine if I just quit.

02:10:51.000 I've always said, if I work hard, doors keep on opening.

02:10:55.000 It's always how it's worked.

02:10:57.000 Me putting in the hours, me putting in the time, and doors have just naturally opened.

02:11:01.000 So I feel like that's just the key to it all.

02:11:04.000 I think you're right.

02:11:05.000 And I'm glad this door opened, and I'm glad we got a chance to do this.

02:11:07.000 It's a lot of fun.

02:11:08.000 Oh yeah, no, it was a pleasure.

02:11:10.000 My pleasure.

02:11:11.000 And what are you slated for next?

02:11:13.000 Do you have a fight planned?

02:11:15.000 June 24th against Tabitha Ritchie. 1.00

02:11:17.000 That's right.

02:11:18.000 We just talked about that earlier.

02:11:19.000 So yeah, three and a half weeks out now.

02:11:21.000 Three and a half weeks out.

02:11:22.000 Wow.

02:11:24.000 That's a very exciting, very exciting fight.

02:11:27.000 June 24th.

02:11:28.000 And that's the apex?

02:11:29.000 No, it'll be in Jacksonville.

02:11:31.000 Oh, that's the Florida card.

02:11:32.000 That's the Emmett Torporio card.

02:11:33.000 That's right.

02:11:34.000 Let me see that whole card.

02:11:36.000 It's going to be my first fight.

02:11:38.000 First pro fight and first fight with the UFC in Florida.

02:11:42.000 Oh, wow.

02:11:43.000 So that being my home state, pretty much, it's going to be awesome for me.

02:11:47.000 I'm so excited. 0.99

02:11:48.000 This is a fucking great guard. 0.99

02:11:51.000 This is Gregory Rodriguez, Dennis Tululin, Brendan Allen, Bruno Silva, Neil Magny, Phil Rowe. 0.99

02:11:58.000 That's a great fight.

02:11:59.000 Ooh.

02:12:02.000 And is this...

02:12:03.000 Go all the way up to the top.

02:12:05.000 Is this...

02:12:06.000 This is ESPN. Is it ESPN Plus or just ESPN? Because they've been doing them on ABC, too.

02:12:16.000 Yeah.

02:12:17.000 Unless it's starting at 2 p.m.

02:12:18.000 in the afternoon.

02:12:18.000 It's a little earlier, so it's probably...

02:12:20.000 Interesting.

02:12:20.000 I bet it's on normal.

02:12:22.000 Well, we just did the ABC one.

02:12:24.000 I wonder if they're going to do more ABC ones.

02:12:27.000 Very interesting.

02:12:31.000 Anyway.

02:12:34.000 Okay, there it is.

02:12:35.000 It's on ABC. Oh, it is on ABC. Main card is ABC. Main card is ABC. Yeah, see, there it is.

02:12:40.000 That's an interesting deal.

02:12:41.000 Well, if I was a network, I'd want to get in on some of this action, you know?

02:12:45.000 Like, they used to be so scared of MMA, but now MMA has really been normalized.

02:12:50.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

02:12:51.000 A lot of, I feel like, I don't know, now it's like, you see things like bare knuckle MMA getting normalized more.

02:12:57.000 That's kind of crazy, right?

02:12:58.000 Yeah, I'm like, that's just crazy.

02:13:00.000 I don't know, I've been to a couple, I went to a bare knuckle MMA and just a regular bare knuckle fight and both of them, I'm like, I'm sitting there cringing the whole time.

02:13:10.000 I'm like, I don't get that stuff.

02:13:12.000 It's a different level.

02:13:13.000 Oh, it's 100%.

02:13:14.000 Just hearing a bare fist hit somebody's face is a different sound.

02:13:19.000 It's something scary.

02:13:21.000 Well, the cuts, too.

02:13:24.000 The cuts are crazy.

02:13:26.000 Your poor hands, too.

02:13:27.000 I'm like, everybody's hands after every single fight, broken knuckles, huge fists swollen.

02:13:34.000 I'm like, you can't not break your hand on somebody's head.

02:13:38.000 Have you ever tried makiwara training?

02:13:41.000 You ever tried that?

02:13:42.000 No.

02:13:43.000 The karate guys used to do.

02:13:45.000 You know what a makiwara is? 0.94

02:13:46.000 No.

02:13:47.000 It's like a plank that has hard rope wrapped around it.

02:13:51.000 And it's like bolted into the ground.

02:13:53.000 And they would just practice reverse punches into this thing.

02:13:57.000 It was this hard thing that had like a little bit of give to it until they developed these massive calluses all over their hands.

02:14:04.000 So that's like more of a mechanical macawarra.

02:14:06.000 That one looks like it has, like it gives, yeah, so that's what a traditional one looks like. 0.88

02:14:10.000 And these guys would punch them.

02:14:12.000 Google like karate makiwara knuckles. 0.97

02:14:16.000 See that?

02:14:17.000 And they would just practice hitting their knuckles over and over again until they get preposterous looking. 0.95

02:14:22.000 Just Google like for images because some dudes have like fucking insane knuckles from hitting those things. 0.91

02:14:30.000 That guy on the far left. 0.78

02:14:32.000 That guy on the far left.

02:14:34.000 Yeah, that one.

02:14:36.000 That's what I'm talking about. 1.00

02:14:37.000 Look at the size of his fucking knuckles. 0.99

02:14:39.000 Do you think that actually helps? 1.00

02:14:41.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:14:42.000 It builds up calluses.

02:14:44.000 For sure.

02:14:45.000 Definitely.

02:14:46.000 My friend John used to do it.

02:14:47.000 I've seen it.

02:14:48.000 He used to practice with bricks.

02:14:49.000 He was a Taekwondo champion.

02:14:51.000 And he would practice with his knuckles with bricks.

02:14:53.000 And he had one knuckle that was, it was essentially like, Fused from calluses.

02:14:58.000 It was this massive thing.

02:14:59.000 The first two knuckles, like the index finger and the ring finger, were all just a calloused mass that he could smash people with.

02:15:08.000 I know you see Muay Thai fighters do that a lot with their shins, like conditioning, but I've never seen that with their knuckles.

02:15:14.000 Yeah, that was what they used to do in karate.

02:15:16.000 I think people still do it, too. 0.97

02:15:18.000 Although, it's probably terrible for your arthritis and shit as you get older, but you've got to sacrifice. 0.93

02:15:24.000 Listen, thank you very much for coming here. 0.95

02:15:26.000 I really appreciate it.

02:15:27.000 Give everybody out your social media so they can follow you.

02:15:30.000 My social media on Instagram and Twitter is savage underscore UFC. Okay, well thank you.

02:15:36.000 I really appreciate you being here and good luck to you.

02:15:37.000 Thank you so much.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 22, 2011

JRE MMA Show #140 with Gillian Robertson

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