The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #141 with Mike Perry

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00:00:13.000 Yes, sir.

00:00:14.000 What's happening?

00:00:14.000 Good to see you, brother.

00:00:15.000 Great to be here.

00:00:16.000 You want some coffee?

00:00:17.000 Drink coffee?

00:00:18.000 Sure, yeah.

00:00:19.000 Sure, I'll take some.

00:00:20.000 All right.

00:00:21.000 Dude, you have had a fascinating renaissance.

00:00:25.000 Cheers, sir.

00:00:25.000 Cheers, brother.

00:00:27.000 Cheers.

00:00:29.000 This bare-knuckle boxing thing has been fascinating to watch, man, because it's like someone designed the perfect sport for you.

00:00:37.000 You know what I mean?

00:00:38.000 Yes, I do.

00:00:40.000 You are particularly well-suited for that, and I find it so fascinating.

00:00:48.000 Because there's a certain, and I really wanted to ask you about this, because there's a certain something that applies to bare-knuckle fighting.

00:00:58.000 It's like there's a pain, and there's a danger, and there's a wildness of it.

00:01:03.000 That even some very great fighters, they're in there and they're like, I don't like this.

00:01:08.000 They're too used to gloves, they're too used to whatever they're used to.

00:01:12.000 They don't want that experience once they find it, once they're in there.

00:01:17.000 But you seem to thrive on it.

00:01:19.000 You know, it's just a real fight to me.

00:01:22.000 Even though...

00:01:23.000 I mean, I still go to the gym and I do MMA with the guys.

00:01:27.000 I love boxing so much, though.

00:01:30.000 It's my forte.

00:01:32.000 It's what I'm good at. 0.86

00:01:34.000 Because I'm cool to take a punch, get hit. 0.52

00:01:37.000 That's fine. 1.00

00:01:38.000 I'll take a hit to land a better one on you. 1.00

00:01:42.000 And in bare knuckle, I mean...

00:01:44.000 There's a lot of opportunity to fight guys who...

00:01:50.000 I mean, I did fight Julian Lane who had experience in it.

00:01:54.000 He had nine fights in it when we fought.

00:01:57.000 And then I fought two guys who hadn't done it yet.

00:02:01.000 So, you know...

00:02:04.000 But it's just, like, let's talk about those two guys.

00:02:07.000 First of all, Michael Venom Page.

00:02:09.000 That guy is super talented.

00:02:11.000 I mean, he's extraordinary.

00:02:12.000 When you watch him fight in MMA, and he's a guy that I kind of predicted one day.

00:02:18.000 I was like, the one skill that you don't see a lot of in MMA is this crazy blitz point fighting style.

00:02:26.000 Because those guys can cover crazy distances.

00:02:29.000 Those really good point fighters.

00:02:31.000 And he was a really good point fighter.

00:02:33.000 And he was the first guy that kind of showed how that style could apply in MMA. He's so elusive and so hard to hit.

00:02:45.000 And, you know, you just put it on him.

00:02:48.000 Well, it was different, you know.

00:02:50.000 It's different.

00:02:51.000 It was boxing.

00:02:52.000 Yeah.

00:02:52.000 I mean, he beat a couple guys boxing.

00:02:54.000 Yeah.

00:02:55.000 But it's, I mean, because he's good MMA. After I beat him, I thought, you know, maybe they'll try to make that fight happen in MMA now.

00:03:04.000 But I do feel like I would overpower him grappling-wise.

00:03:09.000 But his legs are very dangerous.

00:03:11.000 I mean, that last guy he fought, he kicked him in the leg and it was over.

00:03:14.000 Yeah, he's very dangerous. 0.99

00:03:15.000 The knockout of Cyborg was fucking crazy. 0.99

00:03:19.000 Yeah, the poking ball. 0.99

00:03:21.000 Yeah, it was crazy.

00:03:22.000 I mean, he caved his forehead in.

00:03:23.000 With his legs, that's what I'm saying.

00:03:25.000 His legs are dangerous.

00:03:25.000 Incredible.

00:03:26.000 It's interesting to me.

00:03:28.000 I'm hungry for fights. 1.00

00:03:29.000 I want to fight all these motherfuckers. 1.00

00:03:31.000 Well, I think with a guy like that, it's funny. 1.00

00:03:33.000 I was watching Stylebender was on Andrew Schultz's podcast, and they were talking about him boxing some days.

00:03:39.000 Like, boxing is too limited.

00:03:40.000 It's too limited a fight.

00:03:42.000 You think about a guy like him who applies this full, wild range of things, especially with Michael Venom Page, because he's so good at closing distance and kicking you and kneeing you, and the knee, the timing of that knee, I mean, magnificent, right?

00:03:57.000 And when you take all that away and you only have these, it's a big difference.

00:04:02.000 It's a gigantic difference.

00:04:05.000 It's so interesting to me.

00:04:06.000 But I have the same difference, and I like it.

00:04:08.000 I like it.

00:04:09.000 It fits me.

00:04:10.000 I mean, I did boxing.

00:04:13.000 I had one pro boxing match.

00:04:15.000 I'm still 0-1 as a professional boxer.

00:04:17.000 But then I did that triller thing in the triangle, and I fought Michael Seals, who was 27-3, in a mixed boxing match with turtleback MMA gloves.

00:04:31.000 And, you know, I won.

00:04:34.000 I mean, I just put the pressure on him the whole time.

00:04:36.000 What are Turtleback MMA gloves?

00:04:38.000 Turtleback are like the training MMA gloves.

00:04:41.000 Oh, okay.

00:04:41.000 But it was like while Metallica was playing.

00:04:44.000 Oh, yeah, I heard it.

00:04:45.000 Oh, so they're like kind of big MMA gloves.

00:04:48.000 He was 27-3 as a professional boxer.

00:04:51.000 He drops me like once.

00:04:55.000 They counted it once he dropped me.

00:04:58.000 Another time I got hit in the back of the head and the ref saw it and I went down a little bit, but I got right back up.

00:05:04.000 So what is the biggest difference about bare knuckle for you?

00:05:09.000 I've learned though, so like when I fought Julian Lane his little f***ing head hurt my hands because a lot of time with boxing gloves on your hands are like open and you try to close it at the right time but you know it's if you do that bare knuckle Because you know how if you're squeezing your fist, it's a little harder to move.

00:05:31.000 You're kind of tense.

00:05:33.000 But in bare knuckle, you have to learn how to move while you're tense and keep your hands closed.

00:05:38.000 Because with gloves, you can block a shot like this.

00:05:41.000 But in bare knuckle, you got to be closed up.

00:05:46.000 Tight and squeezing your fist so hard so that when you hit them in the head, you don't destroy your hand.

00:05:52.000 Yeah, there's like, there's three levels of vulnerability.

00:05:55.000 And the level number one is like, you would see a lot of the, like the glory guys.

00:05:59.000 They keep their hands in a shell like Alistair Overeem or, you know, like Badr Hari.

00:06:03.000 Those guys would shell up. 0.97

00:06:05.000 They shell up, but they have those big ass gloves. 0.84

00:06:07.000 And you see that when they come to MMA, some of those shots sneak through. 0.86

00:06:11.000 Yes.

00:06:11.000 But then bare knuckle, it's another level of sneaking through.

00:06:17.000 It's really interesting to watch a really good fighter like Luke Rockhold and you.

00:06:23.000 And Luke Rockhold is very skillful.

00:06:26.000 He's a very skillful guy.

00:06:28.000 And when you were putting it on him, I was like, this is a totally different thing.

00:06:32.000 And you are uniquely suited for this totally different thing.

00:06:38.000 Thank you.

00:06:39.000 It's different than regular boxing, man.

00:06:40.000 Remember when Pauly Malignaggi fought Artem Lobov?

00:06:45.000 Well, Pauly, I mean, he's a scrawny dude.

00:06:49.000 Yeah. 0.73

00:06:51.000 And Lobov was just a little dog.

00:06:53.000 He's a dog.

00:06:54.000 Yeah.

00:06:55.000 That dude's an animal.

00:06:55.000 It was a good fight, to be honest.

00:06:57.000 But the jabbing and moving that Pauly did didn't work for him.

00:07:00.000 And Luke, I don't know, you know, that's kind of what we were talking about when you brought up Luke.

00:07:04.000 We were talking about, I was talking about the tight fist and like how bare knuckle is different.

00:07:09.000 And it's like I figured out how to utilize the bare knuckle.

00:07:14.000 I mean, I knocked his teeth out.

00:07:16.000 I hit him by the time I caught him.

00:07:18.000 And then he was like, I'm not trying to get hit like that again.

00:07:21.000 It was a matter of time.

00:07:22.000 The gap was closing.

00:07:23.000 It takes a second.

00:07:25.000 He hit me, too, and I told him.

00:07:27.000 I bet it.

00:07:28.000 I haven't talked to him about it or asked him because I don't... 0.95

00:07:32.000 I mean, you know, he lost or whatever, so I don't talk to losers.

00:07:37.000 But I try to do what winners do, man.

00:07:39.000 I try to think about winners.

00:07:40.000 But when I hit him with that shot and he didn't want to get hit again...

00:07:44.000 He had hit me.

00:07:45.000 I got a little knot on my face right there.

00:07:47.000 But I took it and I bet it hurt him.

00:07:49.000 I bet it hurt his hand. 0.98

00:07:50.000 I told him before the fight, you're gonna punch me in the head. 0.98

00:07:53.000 It's gonna be the hardest thing you ever hit. 1.00

00:07:55.000 And then I'm gonna headbutt you in your hands and I'm gonna punch you in your face. 1.00

00:08:00.000 And you're gonna quit. 1.00

00:08:01.000 And that's what he did.

00:08:04.000 Yeah, it's good stuff, man.

00:08:06.000 It's a different thing, man.

00:08:08.000 It's a different thing.

00:08:09.000 I think I can do it in any gloves, though.

00:08:11.000 Any sport.

00:08:11.000 I could fight in the UFC. I have a mindset, and I fight with these guys.

00:08:15.000 I do MMA. I see your belt on the wall in there when I went and did the cold plunge.

00:08:20.000 It's like a red belt or a black belt with red stripes.

00:08:24.000 That's John Jock's belt.

00:08:25.000 That's not your belt?

00:08:26.000 No, no.

00:08:26.000 It's John Jock Machado when he got his coral belt.

00:08:29.000 He gave some of them out to some of his students.

00:08:32.000 Man, dudes like that, you know.

00:08:34.000 Coral belt stuff.

00:08:35.000 I'm going to chase back my black belt. 1.00

00:08:38.000 I'm a purple belt four stripe for years now.

00:08:41.000 Could have been had my brown belt.

00:08:43.000 I got great jujitsu.

00:08:44.000 I train with some of the best jujitsu practitioners.

00:08:46.000 I just choose to sprawl and brawl. 0.96

00:08:49.000 I like to punch people. 0.92

00:08:50.000 I think it's the best off button. 0.97

00:08:52.000 I enjoy it and it's exciting.

00:08:54.000 And it's the entertainment business, right? 0.94

00:08:56.000 So, you know, I fucking lost my-- - There's something to be said for that, for sure. 0.92

00:09:04.000 I mean, look, people love to watch you fight. 0.96

00:09:06.000 Thank you.

00:09:07.000 I appreciate it.

00:09:08.000 I was always a giant fan.

00:09:09.000 Oh, that's what my point was.

00:09:12.000 Yeah, you had wild fights, man.

00:09:13.000 I would fight anyone, anywhere.

00:09:14.000 I would love to.

00:09:15.000 Please, give me opportunities.

00:09:16.000 I want to show and be... 0.96

00:09:19.000 I want to be a fucking coral belt in my own right, in my own way. 0.99

00:09:22.000 And people know when Mike Perry walks down the street, it's like, that's the baddest motherfucker that ever lived, dude. 0.99

00:09:30.000 Mike Perry, they're going to talk about me just like they did Mike Tyson. 0.98

00:09:34.000 I feel like Mike Tyson.

00:09:36.000 I feel different.

00:09:38.000 I'm better.

00:09:40.000 What changed in you?

00:09:41.000 How did you come into your own?

00:09:44.000 Because you were always a really good fighter, but it seems like over the last few years you're on a completely different level.

00:09:49.000 I have a family.

00:09:50.000 I love them so much.

00:09:53.000 I'm a human. 1.00

00:09:55.000 I fuck up. 1.00

00:09:56.000 I make mistakes and shit, but I don't give up. 1.00

00:10:00.000 I keep going and I push. 1.00

00:10:02.000 I took, you know, David Goggins type shit. 0.99

00:10:05.000 You know, it's like I stopped making fucking excuses and fucking was like, you know, because I'm hurt all the time. 1.00

00:10:13.000 I'm always fucking hurt. 0.99

00:10:14.000 I don't care. 1.00

00:10:15.000 I'm like, all right, fuck it. 1.00

00:10:16.000 I got to wake up every day and feel this shit. 1.00

00:10:19.000 You can't fucking hurt me because I'm in enough pain. 1.00

00:10:24.000 I take anything you got and give it back. 0.99

00:10:28.000 That's fighting.

00:10:29.000 And I do it for...

00:10:32.000 I do it for fighting.

00:10:34.000 I love fighting. 1.00

00:10:37.000 That's my shit. 1.00

00:10:39.000 Even though it hurts, it fucked my face up. 1.00

00:10:41.000 It's a love-hate relationship. 0.97

00:10:44.000 My family can hurt my feelings too.

00:10:47.000 It's all emotional feelings.

00:10:49.000 If you tell yourself, who cares?

00:10:54.000 No one cares about your problems or anything.

00:10:57.000 Just handle your business.

00:11:00.000 When did you get into fighting?

00:11:01.000 When did you get into martial arts?

00:11:04.000 I feel like, to be honest, I feel like it was September 15, 1991, the day I was born.

00:11:11.000 But 11 years old, I was on YouTube doing videos, watching Mike Tyson, Roy Jones Jr., going to school, bringing gloves, or fighting kids on the block, in the grass, you know, with gloves on, busting kids up, older kids, kids my age, it doesn't matter.

00:11:32.000 Um...

00:11:34.000 It's just always been a fun game.

00:11:36.000 I played all sports, basketball, rode my bike 20 miles all over the streets.

00:11:40.000 Times have changed.

00:11:41.000 Kids ain't out there like that no more.

00:11:43.000 I don't know.

00:11:44.000 I'm surprised I didn't get kidnapped.

00:11:45.000 I probably would have stabbed the guy trying to do it, though.

00:11:49.000 How many fights did you get in as a kid? 0.85

00:11:52.000 Oh, man.

00:11:53.000 I remember my dad always saying, I'm 100-0 in these streets.

00:11:58.000 I fought 200 times or something, you know?

00:12:02.000 I'm like, no, you didn't.

00:12:03.000 I do.

00:12:05.000 I fight.

00:12:06.000 Other than the streets, I mean, just my whole life, you know, I spar every week.

00:12:11.000 Sometimes two or three or four times.

00:12:13.000 Sometimes every day.

00:12:14.000 And are you doing MMA sparring because you want to compete in MMA again?

00:12:18.000 Or are you doing it because you love it?

00:12:20.000 I want to fight people and I want to be better than them.

00:12:25.000 In MMA too?

00:12:27.000 Yeah, it's like I've had so much success with this bare-knuckle boxing, it's like, give me a challenge.

00:12:33.000 What do you think about bare-knuckle MMA? Because I know, I believe Jorge Masvidal's organization does that, right?

00:12:41.000 Is that true?

00:12:42.000 Yeah, they do.

00:12:43.000 I think Jorge is a bare-knuckle MMA thing.

00:12:46.000 What do you think about it?

00:12:47.000 Because, like, why do we protect the knuckles of the hands when you don't protect all these other weapons?

00:12:54.000 You don't protect elbows, you don't protect knees or shins, which are harder.

00:12:58.000 It's kind of crazy that the one thing that's padded is the one thing you're kind of padding it because it's vulnerable.

00:13:04.000 Well, you figured out a way to fight really at your best Without that I feel like I don't I don't want to use the glove as an excuse either though Because I feel like in ways you can punch harder with the glove.

00:13:17.000 You can throw a bigger shot with the glove.

00:13:19.000 No, no for sure No, no argument at all.

00:13:21.000 It's definitely protects your hands and it's definitely safer for the fighter But is it is it realistic?

00:13:26.000 Like why is this one thing encased?

00:13:29.000 Why are your hands encased?

00:13:30.000 Because boxing has been around for hundreds of years and that's what we did.

00:13:33.000 I know, because it seems barbaric.

00:13:34.000 It seems barbaric to be able to hit someone with bare knuckle.

00:13:37.000 But that's the real thing.

00:13:40.000 That's real.

00:13:42.000 The knuckle thing is like this agreed upon padding.

00:13:45.000 I mean, I'm looking into the business of bare knuckle.

00:13:50.000 I want to do like a sans chow with a karate combat, five second ground and pound, bare knuckle, allow elbows. 0.98

00:14:01.000 Like, you know, PFL doesn't allow elbows.

00:14:03.000 So that's weird.

00:14:04.000 I want to, you know, why would you make us a sport where you utilize your whole body and And then you're gonna cut off one of the biggest weapons. 0.96

00:14:14.000 I've knocked people out with elbows.

00:14:16.000 Yeah, what do you think of Latwe?

00:14:19.000 They're using headbutts and elbows.

00:14:21.000 Is that a name of a...

00:14:23.000 It's a style of fighting.

00:14:25.000 It's like Muay Thai but with like headbutts.

00:14:29.000 Oh wow, headbutts. 0.91

00:14:30.000 See, I've been told, you know, headbutts are kind of like, um, we don't go that far.

00:14:38.000 Yeah, he's amazing.

00:14:40.000 This cat who's the king of Lethwe is this wild dude.

00:14:44.000 He does headbutts in combinations.

00:14:46.000 Lethwe is the sport? 0.68

00:14:48.000 Yeah.

00:14:48.000 Okay.

00:14:49.000 Yeah.

00:14:49.000 It's basically like a more brutal version of Muay Thai where they allow headbutts.

00:14:55.000 Okay, that's cool.

00:14:56.000 They do it in Myanmar. 0.84

00:14:57.000 And this dude is actually from Canada.

00:14:59.000 I've seen him before. 0.99

00:15:01.000 This guy fucks everybody up. 1.00

00:15:02.000 He headbutts the shit out of people. 1.00

00:15:03.000 He fucks everybody up. 1.00

00:15:05.000 I don't fight him. 1.00

00:15:06.000 He's a killer. 0.99

00:15:07.000 That'd be a wild fight. 1.00

00:15:08.000 That'd be great.

00:15:09.000 Yeah, but this is the thing.

00:15:10.000 It's like, it's all bare knuckle, but headbutts. 1.00

00:15:12.000 You're allowed to do a lot of shit. 0.99

00:15:15.000 It looks like you can't hit the guy when he's down, but you can throw elbows and headbutts in combination, and everything's bare knuckle. 1.00

00:15:26.000 Yeah, you know, like I was saying, I want to challenge because, I mean, the bare knuckle is still challenging, but I made it so easy last time.

00:15:34.000 Luke Rocco didn't have a chance, and it seemed like I could have beaten him in MMA. Do you think that...

00:15:41.000 Do you think there's ever a...

00:15:42.000 I mean, could it ever be possible that even boxing would go to no gloves?

00:15:48.000 Like, if people just decide they'd like Baron No more?

00:15:50.000 No, because there's this...

00:15:52.000 There's this...

00:15:54.000 What do you call it?

00:15:56.000 Deep down into boxing, like, it has its own soul.

00:16:00.000 And that's why it's been around for 200 years or more, and...

00:16:08.000 Speaking of boxing, T-Budd vs.

00:16:11.000 Spence coming up.

00:16:13.000 Amazing.

00:16:14.000 What a fight.

00:16:15.000 I get goosebumps just thinking about that one.

00:16:18.000 Everything about it.

00:16:19.000 Spence is Spence the same since the car accident, even though he's had fights.

00:16:23.000 I've seen him, you know, not paying attention in a fight with Ugas.

00:16:27.000 Ugas was hitting him because he just was like looking around in the ring.

00:16:32.000 And then, and these guys, you know, Teba 39-0?

00:16:36.000 Yeah.

00:16:36.000 That's insane.

00:16:37.000 Insane.

00:16:38.000 So, and he's a dog.

00:16:40.000 He's a dog and he's the best switch hitter since Hagler.

00:16:43.000 They're gonna fight.

00:16:44.000 That dude can fight so well.

00:16:46.000 And they hit so hard with the gloves and their technique is so tight.

00:16:51.000 They can't...

00:16:53.000 They can't take their gloves off.

00:16:55.000 The fight be over.

00:16:56.000 That's the problem.

00:16:57.000 These 12 round fights, these guys go at it for all 12. And, you know.

00:17:03.000 Yeah.

00:17:03.000 It's a different thing.

00:17:05.000 It's just a totally different thing.

00:17:07.000 I guess you gotta want a knockout or a technique.

00:17:11.000 You know, whichever one the fans want the most.

00:17:14.000 If they like bare knuckle, I mean, they do.

00:17:16.000 It's just so different.

00:17:17.000 There's just so much you could never get away with.

00:17:20.000 It's exciting, and it's fast-paced, and everything pushes.

00:17:25.000 We go for it, so people enjoy watching it more than...

00:17:29.000 You know, you're always at the fights live.

00:17:31.000 UFC, the best fights in the world, though.

00:17:33.000 It's got to be amazing.

00:17:34.000 It's amazing.

00:17:34.000 Yeah.

00:17:35.000 You get the feel of everything, the crowd, the moments.

00:17:39.000 I know, it's great.

00:17:40.000 There's nothing like being in the room when it's happening.

00:17:42.000 Shout out Philly Fresh.

00:17:43.000 He fighting Jacksonville UFC event in Jacksonville, Florida on the 24th, so in 10 days.

00:17:50.000 Who is he fighting? 0.99

00:17:52.000 It's a good fucking fight. 0.99

00:17:54.000 Neil Magny. 1.00

00:17:56.000 They're the same, you know?

00:17:58.000 That's a good fight.

00:17:59.000 Just comparison.

00:18:00.000 It's not racist like, you know, all the jokes in the comedy club.

00:18:03.000 They're both long. 0.95

00:18:04.000 Crazy. 0.92

00:18:05.000 Not from you.

00:18:06.000 Some of your other comics.

00:18:07.000 Wasn't me.

00:18:08.000 Hilarious, though.

00:18:09.000 Yeah, funny dudes.

00:18:11.000 They're both, like, Neil Magny has a crazy gas tank.

00:18:15.000 Crazy gas tank.

00:18:16.000 You know?

00:18:18.000 I mean, he's proven, Neil Magny has proven by beating people that you didn't expect him to beat.

00:18:26.000 And he shows up in battles.

00:18:29.000 I mean, obviously I'm rooting for my friend.

00:18:33.000 He's got great jujitsu.

00:18:35.000 Phil's on the rise too, man.

00:18:36.000 And he is on the rise.

00:18:37.000 And his mindset has been this focused mindset for the past couple years.

00:18:41.000 He really, you know, we both kind of made a turn and a change.

00:18:45.000 He's got a couple babies now.

00:18:48.000 You know, we're growing up in this sport. 0.99

00:18:50.000 We've been doing this shit for, honestly, I'm 31. I've been doing this shit for 20 years. 1.00

00:18:56.000 Do you think that bare-knuckle, that there's less of a length of your career if you do bare-knuckle? 0.99

00:19:05.000 Is it more likely that you could get injured, like you could hurt your hands?

00:19:11.000 Or do you think that you could have the same length of career bare-knuckle as you can in regular MMA? I'm gonna keep fucking doing it every day forever until... 0.97

00:19:39.000 You know, God bless my friend Michael Milmerstadt and his family. 0.99

00:19:42.000 He passed away.

00:19:43.000 He's a great man.

00:19:44.000 He's got three boys he left behind.

00:19:46.000 I did a GoFundMe for the family.

00:19:49.000 His wife got that.

00:19:51.000 And, you know, boxing, you know, I did it to him.

00:19:55.000 And you don't know which, because he was so good.

00:19:57.000 He was such a great, he was a black belt in jiu-jitsu.

00:20:00.000 He's an MMA fighter, a cop, a SWAT member.

00:20:03.000 And then...

00:20:05.000 Just working out one day in boxing and his brain was bleeding.

00:20:10.000 Oh man.

00:20:11.000 It's insane.

00:20:12.000 So it's like...

00:20:13.000 It's from a sparring match?

00:20:14.000 You know, I gotta go 100% now.

00:20:17.000 Yeah.

00:20:19.000 Because you never know. 1.00

00:20:21.000 Goddamn. 0.99

00:20:22.000 And I've been in wars, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:20:24.000 I thought after that, but it's like, I can't give up because I have the opportunity to, I'm making money.

00:20:31.000 I'm making money now.

00:20:32.000 It's crazy the money I'm making.

00:20:34.000 So...

00:20:35.000 Look at you.

00:20:36.000 I know, but your money, you don't care about that stuff. 0.98

00:20:41.000 You're like, I mean, this place, this facility, all the stuff you got, all the toys and gadgets, it's crazy.

00:20:48.000 It's not even toys and gadgets, it's samurai armor from...

00:20:52.000 15 million years ago, the first samurai ever, and dinosaur bones.

00:20:59.000 We had a bison skull coming today from John Reeves.

00:21:02.000 Isn't that cool?

00:21:03.000 Mike Tyson's jacket.

00:21:05.000 That's Gordon Ryan's Abu Dhabi belt.

00:21:08.000 Gordon Ryan's a great jiu-jitsu guy, man.

00:21:11.000 He's done well.

00:21:12.000 Yeah.

00:21:13.000 You know, I got to do...

00:21:15.000 I kind of called him out on something.

00:21:18.000 And, you know, he competes against...

00:21:21.000 You know, jiu-jitsu, those guys will compete against anyone.

00:21:24.000 So, it's like...

00:21:25.000 I would probably lose, but we were going to do like a slap jitsu.

00:21:28.000 A slap jitsu?

00:21:30.000 Hell yeah. 1.00

00:21:30.000 Oh shit. 1.00

00:21:31.000 Hell yeah. 1.00

00:21:31.000 Let's do slaps. 1.00

00:21:33.000 That's different.

00:21:34.000 That is different.

00:21:35.000 That adds a whole other element.

00:21:37.000 Yeah, but he'll probably break my foot and I'll have to...

00:21:39.000 Yeah, you don't want to.

00:21:41.000 Can he play with me though?

00:21:43.000 I'm such a grown man.

00:21:45.000 Like, I mean, like...

00:21:47.000 That's such a great way to put it!

00:21:50.000 I'll fight anyone, but it's not a fight.

00:21:53.000 It's the rules.

00:21:54.000 It's how they lay the rules out for you.

00:21:56.000 Bare Knuckle is my rule set for sure. 0.99

00:21:58.000 Here's the thing about slapping. 0.53

00:22:00.000 This is the reality.

00:22:01.000 If you go back and watch Boss Rootin in the Pancrace days, Bas Rutten was the first guy to figure it out.

00:22:07.000 You're calling it a slap, but Bas Rutten is pulling his hands way back, and he's palming you, and he can actually hit you and not even worry about hurting his hands.

00:22:16.000 So he can kind of hit you harder in a lot of ways.

00:22:19.000 Right.

00:22:20.000 No, slaps are... 0.98

00:22:21.000 I mean, you can palm the shit out of a table. 0.98

00:22:21.000 You're not allowed to slap in bare knuckle. 0.98

00:22:23.000 Isn't that fucked up? 1.00

00:22:24.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:22:25.000 I slapped Julian Lane a couple times, and the ref was like... 0.98

00:22:29.000 I'm like, damn, I can't even close my hand. 0.72

00:22:32.000 It's like the fifth round. 1.00

00:22:33.000 I couldn't even close my shit. 1.00

00:22:34.000 I slapped him. 1.00

00:22:35.000 Look at the boss rootin' was fuckin' people. 0.99

00:22:37.000 Yeah, dude. 0.97

00:22:37.000 See how far he's pulling his hand back? 0.97

00:22:41.000 Boss is great. 0.95

00:22:42.000 He was an animal. 0.99

00:22:44.000 But he was figuring out how to really fuck people up with palm strikes. 0.99

00:22:47.000 So it wasn't as simple as slapping is safer or something like that. 0.95

00:22:53.000 I think that was one of the reasons why they...

00:22:55.000 You used to be able to do it in California at one point in time.

00:22:58.000 You were able to do pancreas.

00:22:59.000 So you could slap, but you had to have an open hand.

00:23:02.000 There was a lot of all those weird rules back then.

00:23:05.000 But Boss figured out...

00:23:07.000 So combat jiu-jitsu. 0.93

00:23:09.000 With just slapping, if it's getting to the ground, you could hit somebody pretty fucking hard with the palm of your hand if you're in the top position.

00:23:17.000 But you have to be grappling already. 0.78

00:23:20.000 It's not just slap boxing.

00:23:21.000 Right, you can't just slap from the beginning, which is kind of weird too.

00:23:24.000 It's kind of weird too.

00:23:26.000 Let me.

00:23:27.000 They should let me.

00:23:27.000 Gordon Ryan would let me.

00:23:29.000 I'm going to slap boxes there.

00:23:33.000 Yeah.

00:23:35.000 Try not to let him get a hold of me.

00:23:37.000 Man, I brought you some gifts.

00:23:38.000 Oh, did you?

00:23:39.000 I did.

00:23:40.000 If I could get that out of the way.

00:23:43.000 Nothing special, man.

00:23:44.000 Nothing crazy, because you're Joe Rogan.

00:23:46.000 I don't know.

00:23:46.000 I tried to bring you something, though.

00:23:47.000 Thank you very much.

00:23:48.000 I don't give people gifts.

00:23:50.000 Well, I appreciate it, man.

00:23:52.000 Let's see, man.

00:23:53.000 Let's see here.

00:23:53.000 I'm glad you came in here, because I've really been appreciating your fights.

00:23:57.000 I really have.

00:23:58.000 And especially the bare knuckle ones recently. 0.99

00:24:01.000 I'm like, God damn. 1.00

00:24:02.000 Give them any attention, damn it. 1.00

00:24:06.000 What do you got in there, dude? 0.99

00:24:08.000 Everything.

00:24:09.000 Everything, dude.

00:24:11.000 I got so much stuff in here.

00:24:12.000 So you can just give it to me later if you want.

00:24:18.000 Alright, here we go.

00:24:22.000 Does your contract with Bare Knuckle, do they let you do other kind of fights?

00:24:29.000 Yes, they'll let me box.

00:24:31.000 They let other guys go back to MMA and stuff, so it's like, you know, I'm in the fight business.

00:24:37.000 I'm a hired, you know, assassin, I guess.

00:24:41.000 I'm a hitman.

00:24:43.000 I brought you the shorts that I fought Paul Felder in.

00:24:46.000 Oh, wow.

00:24:46.000 They're a little beat up.

00:24:48.000 Thank you.

00:24:49.000 Thank you very much, man.

00:24:50.000 That's awesome.

00:24:51.000 Of course.

00:24:52.000 They're clean.

00:24:53.000 Thank you very much.

00:24:55.000 I also have a coaster from when I fought Lou Rockhold.

00:25:00.000 Oh, right.

00:25:01.000 It's got all of us on there.

00:25:03.000 These are from Wuhan, China, when COVID happened.

00:25:08.000 I've had these air fresheners for a while, so I got like a couple designs.

00:25:13.000 I got you a few.

00:25:14.000 It's like PMP and my little character.

00:25:20.000 Oh, nice.

00:25:21.000 And so I got those.

00:25:23.000 Oh, you got air fresheners.

00:25:24.000 I love it.

00:25:25.000 Sorry, dude.

00:25:25.000 I'm putting all this stuff on the table.

00:25:27.000 And...

00:25:29.000 I got you.

00:25:30.000 Save the best for last.

00:25:35.000 Birthday cake.

00:25:36.000 Chocolate bar from Colorado.

00:25:39.000 Oh, thank you very much.

00:25:40.000 Yes, sir.

00:25:41.000 Thank you very much, Mike.

00:25:42.000 Oh, my pleasure, man.

00:25:43.000 That's very kind of you.

00:25:45.000 Thank you for having me on the show, bro.

00:25:48.000 My pleasure.

00:25:48.000 I wish you would have told me about your show, but God just works, man, because we just went for a walk.

00:25:54.000 I asked my girl, I said, where do we go in Austin?

00:25:56.000 She knows Texas.

00:25:57.000 I don't.

00:25:58.000 And she's like 6th Street. 0.99

00:26:01.000 So we start fucking walking. 0.99

00:26:03.000 And we're like, oh, it's this comedy store right here, man. 0.99

00:26:07.000 Everybody's in line.

00:26:07.000 What's going on?

00:26:09.000 We get in line.

00:26:09.000 We hear the lady.

00:26:11.000 If you're here for Joe Rogan...

00:26:13.000 You know, this line, 7 o'clock.

00:26:15.000 I'm like, let's go.

00:26:18.000 Let's go.

00:26:18.000 And you guys hooked us up anyways and got us in there.

00:26:21.000 And we were sitting up top, man.

00:26:23.000 It was a great show.

00:26:24.000 You guys are geniuses.

00:26:26.000 The way you talk and weave through a conversation.

00:26:30.000 I don't know where you're going.

00:26:32.000 And then, boom, a punchline hits.

00:26:33.000 It's hilarious.

00:26:34.000 Thanks, man.

00:26:35.000 I'm glad you had a good time.

00:26:36.000 So smart.

00:26:36.000 It's a fun place.

00:26:38.000 I didn't know you were coming to town yesterday.

00:26:40.000 I would have invited you.

00:26:41.000 I wasn't sure if you're coming to town today.

00:26:44.000 Sometimes people come in the day of.

00:26:46.000 I wasn't sure.

00:26:47.000 If you had set it up, my managers do it for me.

00:26:50.000 Thank God for them.

00:26:50.000 Well, I'm glad you came.

00:26:51.000 First round management, Abe.

00:26:53.000 I'm glad you came.

00:26:53.000 Malky.

00:26:54.000 Thank you.

00:26:55.000 That place is wild.

00:26:56.000 That whole street is wild.

00:26:58.000 Sixth Street, it's crazy.

00:27:00.000 On Saturday night, we're looking through the window.

00:27:02.000 It's like a zombie movie.

00:27:03.000 All these people walking down the streets because it's closed off.

00:27:05.000 It's a little bit like L.A. Well, parts of it are.

00:27:08.000 I didn't expect that.

00:27:09.000 There's more tents lately, I've noticed.

00:27:14.000 Like, they clean them up and then they come back again.

00:27:16.000 For a while, they had housed a lot of people.

00:27:19.000 It's not as bad, though.

00:27:21.000 I guess LA has spots that, you know...

00:27:23.000 LA's crazy.

00:27:25.000 LA doesn't make sense.

00:27:26.000 Isn't that wild?

00:27:27.000 And that's the most expensive place to live in the United States, really.

00:27:31.000 I mean, New York and LA. And they can get, you know, them projects get...

00:27:35.000 The thing about cities like that is once they slide, it's real hard to bring them back.

00:27:41.000 Because they're like battleships.

00:27:43.000 You know, when they're moving in a bad direction, when you're getting overrun by homelessness and crime, people just start moving out.

00:27:50.000 And we have this, I think, distorted idea.

00:27:56.000 If something's great, it's going to stay great.

00:27:58.000 If something's a thing that's valuable, it's going to stay valuable.

00:28:00.000 People are going to get to a point where you're living in a place like that where there's tents everywhere. 0.98

00:28:05.000 You go, I've got to get the fuck out of here. 0.98

00:28:07.000 And then everybody gets the fuck out of there, except for the people in the tents. 0.99

00:28:12.000 They're gonna take it over. 0.97

00:28:14.000 I mean, the whole thing is nuts.

00:28:17.000 You're not even allowed to litter.

00:28:19.000 You can't litter, right? 1.00

00:28:21.000 So how can you leave all your shit in a tent on the sidewalk? 1.00

00:28:25.000 What is that? 1.00

00:28:26.000 They have piles of trash. 0.79

00:28:27.000 The whole thing is crazy.

00:28:29.000 You can't just camp places.

00:28:32.000 There's got to be a better solution than just letting people camp places.

00:28:36.000 And I don't know what Austin did for a while, though.

00:28:39.000 They housed people.

00:28:41.000 They put them in hotels or something because they cleaned up a giant part of it.

00:28:47.000 I know there's a bunch of programs to try to teach them trades, and there's these housing options that some of the philanthropists out here have set up, where they're trying to reintroduce some of these people back to the community.

00:29:04.000 It's difficult.

00:29:05.000 But they did something, and then it seems like it's kind of sliding back again.

00:29:10.000 But, you know...

00:29:11.000 It's all over the country now, which you never saw before.

00:29:15.000 When you were a kid, do you remember seeing people just camped out?

00:29:18.000 I lived in Flint, and I don't remember seeing a bunch of homeless people.

00:29:22.000 Flint was supposed to be a rough town in the hood, but I don't know.

00:29:29.000 20 years ago, life was different.

00:29:32.000 Don't they say there's like 100,000 homeless people in LA? Isn't it something crazy like that?

00:29:37.000 That's insane, man.

00:29:38.000 That's crazy.

00:29:39.000 That's scary.

00:29:39.000 That's like the population of Boulder, Colorado.

00:29:43.000 That's scary.

00:29:43.000 Just homeless people.

00:29:44.000 How do people pull up, though, like Cubans pull up to Miami on these boats that they got a piece of wood and they oared 90 miles in this boat with like 17 family members and they pull up on the beach and they go start their life. 0.94

00:30:02.000 Yeah, but you know why?

00:30:03.000 Because they're escaping communism.

00:30:05.000 Right.

00:30:05.000 No, I mean, props!

00:30:07.000 Absolutely!

00:30:08.000 But I'm saying these folks, they're not escaping communism. 1.00

00:30:11.000 Most of them are mentally ill. 0.99

00:30:14.000 When you're getting homeless people, most of those people are mentally ill or severe drug addicts. 0.99

00:30:19.000 Well, because they're on drugs.

00:30:20.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:30:21.000 They're on drugs and they're mentally ill or both or because of. 0.52

00:30:25.000 But that's a lot of it.

00:30:26.000 And so in San Francisco, that's the big criticism.

00:30:29.000 There's a guy named Michael Schellenberger and he wrote a book called San Francisco.

00:30:34.000 Describing like what happens when progressives ruin cities like they're ruining San Francisco And he was saying like this just gets to a point where it's just It's just it's What's going on is too nuts like you're allowing these people to have these open-air drug dens It's a choice though.

00:30:54.000 And you're paying them money to stay there They're paying them money.

00:30:57.000 They're paying them money.

00:30:58.000 They give them money.

00:30:59.000 They interviewed these guys that were like camped out and they're saying one of the good things about being a homeless person in San Francisco is they give you money.

00:31:05.000 They give you like a certain amount of money.

00:31:07.000 Yeah.

00:31:08.000 Give you a certain amount of money every month.

00:31:11.000 And so there's no incentive to ever leave.

00:31:13.000 Bringing it on themselves.

00:31:14.000 But you gotta want more in life. 0.98

00:31:16.000 You gotta see cool shit and be like, I fucking want to put those... 0.97

00:31:19.000 It's hard to be organized. 0.98

00:31:23.000 That's my biggest problem why I'm not so rich, I think. 0.99

00:31:28.000 I gotta organize my shit, man. 0.98

00:31:30.000 I keep a bunch of mementos and... 1.00

00:31:34.000 Start hoarding shit. 0.99

00:31:36.000 I'm like, damn, man, we're moving right now. 1.00

00:31:38.000 I'm trying to buy this house. 0.98

00:31:39.000 I'm supposed to close on a beautiful home, but we need a new appraisal.

00:31:44.000 We got one and they're getting another one.

00:31:46.000 So they pushed the date, but I'm hoping we can get in here because I got the money for it.

00:31:52.000 So let me in.

00:31:55.000 But, you know, I forgot my point again, man.

00:31:58.000 We should...

00:31:59.000 Spark that back up.

00:32:02.000 Maybe I'll remember.

00:32:04.000 Re-fire up the engines.

00:32:07.000 What were you saying?

00:32:09.000 I don't know.

00:32:10.000 I keep looking at that alien spaceship beaming up that person. 1.00

00:32:15.000 What do you think about all that alien shit, Mike Perry? 0.99

00:32:17.000 Oh, it's all popping right now. 1.00

00:32:19.000 Yeah, it is.

00:32:20.000 What are they trying to hide?

00:32:22.000 They're just putting all this information out there.

00:32:24.000 It's fake. 1.00

00:32:25.000 It's bullshit. 0.98

00:32:25.000 Thank you. 0.98

00:32:28.000 What are they trying to hide?

00:32:30.000 Here's the thing.

00:32:31.000 I'm so greedy. 1.00

00:32:32.000 CGI shit, bro. 1.00

00:32:33.000 There's fake shit. 1.00

00:32:34.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:32:35.000 I don't know what's fake and what's not fake.

00:32:37.000 But I do know that it just seems weird that all this is coming at you.

00:32:42.000 Aliens are my cousin though. 1.00

00:32:44.000 I fuck with the aliens. 1.00

00:32:46.000 If they come here, if they want to start some shit, I'll punch one of them in the face. 1.00

00:32:49.000 But they better know how to act and they coming up in my backyard. 1.00

00:32:52.000 The planet is ours, so we gotta have each other's back.

00:32:56.000 If they really here, they ain't here.

00:32:58.000 They could probably destroy us if they could come here.

00:33:02.000 Yeah.

00:33:03.000 Did you see that thing in Vegas?

00:33:06.000 This family said that a UFO landed in their backyard and like an 8 to 10 foot tall alien came out.

00:33:12.000 Have we talked about this yet?

00:33:13.000 No.

00:33:14.000 I mean, not on here.

00:33:16.000 Not on here.

00:33:17.000 Have you seen him, Mike Perry?

00:33:18.000 I don't believe it.

00:33:19.000 Have you seen it? 1.00

00:33:20.000 It seems so dumb. 0.99

00:33:22.000 First of all, why didn't they film it? 1.00

00:33:23.000 They filmed all this other shit. 0.99

00:33:25.000 Why didn't they film that? 1.00

00:33:26.000 They tried.

00:33:26.000 Did they try?

00:33:27.000 I mean, I could play their side of the story.

00:33:29.000 What do you think?

00:33:30.000 I'm just being skeptical.

00:33:31.000 I saw this little Spanish kid was talking about on Instagram.

00:33:34.000 They were making a video.

00:33:37.000 I saw it.

00:33:37.000 We saw it.

00:33:39.000 It's like, y'all look like paid actors.

00:33:44.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:33:46.000 Investigative reporter George Knapp tried to interview them on several occasions.

00:33:50.000 And they made appointments to have him interview them.

00:33:52.000 And when he went there, they wouldn't answer the door.

00:33:56.000 So I don't know.

00:33:58.000 Maybe they're nervous about all the attention.

00:34:01.000 I don't know.

00:34:02.000 I don't know.

00:34:03.000 That seems real.

00:34:04.000 They don't want the attention.

00:34:06.000 They're like, we're not answering the door.

00:34:08.000 That's possible.

00:34:09.000 What normal people don't want the attention?

00:34:11.000 That's true.

00:34:11.000 He said they're like nine feet, ten feet.

00:34:16.000 You got the wrong thing playing.

00:34:18.000 Yeah, I do.

00:34:18.000 Hold on.

00:34:19.000 Hold on.

00:34:19.000 What is...

00:34:20.000 I don't think the podcast is still playing on Spotify or something.

00:34:22.000 Oh.

00:34:23.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, it is.

00:34:25.000 Whoops Sound camera footage I have butterflies, bro Everyone thought of shooting stars and these people say there's aliens in their backyard So when that 9-1-1 call came in less than an hour later police were ready to believe it It was like a big creature a big creature Yeah, like a long time because I'm not gonna BS you guys one of my partners said they saw something fall out of the sky too So that's why I'm kind of curious.

00:34:51.000 Did you see anything land in your backyard?

00:34:53.000 But after a brief investigation of the yard officers closed the case.

00:34:56.000 It's a whole video about nothing really Don't call us all right deal with it yourself I ain't dealing with that According to former intelligence It's funny.

00:35:08.000 If I was an alien, those are exactly the kind of people that I would talk to.

00:35:11.000 Oh, is that the spaceship?

00:35:12.000 Yeah, this is a CGI thing.

00:35:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:15.000 Why do they have CGI? I don't know why they would do that.

00:35:17.000 Why are you telling me what I should see?

00:35:22.000 Yeah, I don't know man.

00:35:23.000 I think for sure it's possible that alien life exists and is visiting.

00:35:27.000 For sure it's possible.

00:35:29.000 But also, it just seems real weird that they're so forthcoming with information and all these whistleblowers and everything.

00:35:37.000 Part of me is going like...

00:35:39.000 Do you think aliens get sex changes? 0.98

00:35:42.000 Yeah, I think they gave up on sex, totally. 0.99

00:35:44.000 They have mental sex, like telekinesis. 0.99

00:35:47.000 If you look at what those grays look like, they have giant heads, they have spindly bodies and no gender. 1.00

00:35:54.000 They're genderless. 0.95

00:35:56.000 They probably don't reproduce with sex anymore. 1.00

00:35:59.000 They probably reproduce through technology. 0.62

00:36:03.000 And they probably all look exactly the same, so they're equal in some weird way.

00:36:08.000 We're living in the matrix.

00:36:10.000 Yeah.

00:36:10.000 So we're asleep right now.

00:36:11.000 If you can imagine being a human being, right?

00:36:14.000 You imagine being a person.

00:36:16.000 You can imagine being another life form that eventually gets to a place and evolves either through technology or what to what those things are.

00:36:25.000 Right.

00:36:26.000 We all adapt in evolution.

00:36:29.000 Yeah.

00:36:29.000 Yeah, right?

00:36:30.000 We're not going to stop wherever we are now.

00:36:32.000 No.

00:36:32.000 We're going to keep going.

00:36:33.000 Yeah, I'm going to grow wings and fly.

00:36:36.000 I don't know.

00:36:37.000 That would be cool.

00:36:39.000 Yeah.

00:36:39.000 Do you think that that, I mean, that's what I've thought many times when I see that classic gray alien with the big head, the big black eyes.

00:36:47.000 I always think maybe that's what we are in the future.

00:36:50.000 Maybe that's us.

00:36:52.000 Maybe that's what we're seeing. 0.99

00:36:54.000 I was just thinking about that metal statue you have out there, the wolf fucking the gorilla. 0.97

00:37:01.000 Oh, you know what that's from? 0.98

00:37:03.000 That was a dream that I had.

00:37:05.000 I had this crazy dream.

00:37:08.000 You had somebody make a dream?

00:37:10.000 That's cool. 1.00

00:37:10.000 I had this crazy dream that this werewolf was fucking a gorilla. 1.00

00:37:15.000 Did you draw a picture? 1.00

00:37:17.000 No. 0.95

00:37:18.000 No, I was just saying, like, I was just having a conversation with a friend and I was saying, like, what the fuck is dreams? 0.99

00:37:24.000 Like, why are dreams so fucked up? 0.97

00:37:26.000 And I had this dream that I was, like, sneaking around, like, trying, like, the outside of the wall, hoping they wouldn't notice me. 0.99

00:37:33.000 Wow, werewolves was fucking a gorilla. 0.99

00:37:35.000 Like, it made no sense. 0.99

00:37:38.000 And so some dude made a sculpture of it and sent it to me.

00:37:41.000 I feel like I don't dream, man.

00:37:44.000 You don't dream at all?

00:37:44.000 I feel like I don't really have any memories of dreams.

00:37:49.000 There it is.

00:37:49.000 That's pretty dope.

00:37:50.000 But I'd be like, living the dream.

00:37:53.000 What a crazy dream.

00:37:55.000 I try to.

00:37:55.000 This is my brain.

00:37:58.000 You smoke a lot of weed though, right?

00:38:00.000 Not as much as I used to.

00:38:03.000 I think that for me, when I stop, whenever I take breaks, my dreams become way more vivid.

00:38:10.000 Right.

00:38:12.000 Sometimes.

00:38:13.000 But then sometimes I'm like, I've been smoking, and then I do have a dream, but I don't remember it.

00:38:21.000 Later, I mean, I've told my girl a couple of times about, oh, I had a dream last night.

00:38:27.000 She always dreams that, you know, being bad or cheating.

00:38:35.000 I'm like, why are you dreaming like that?

00:38:39.000 I'll be here at the house or I go work out in the gym.

00:38:43.000 That's what I do.

00:38:43.000 So, you know.

00:38:47.000 The weirdest things about dreams is that right when you wake up, they're so vivid, but then a few minutes later, you can't remember what the fuck it was. 0.73

00:38:54.000 It was so interesting to you when you wake up. 0.96

00:38:57.000 You're like, wow, that dream was crazy.

00:38:59.000 I feel like dreams piss me off.

00:39:01.000 That's why I choose to deny them sometimes.

00:39:04.000 You choose to deny them?

00:39:05.000 They piss me off because I'm like, I can't do nothing.

00:39:07.000 I can't grab. 0.99

00:39:08.000 I can't punch you in your face. 1.00

00:39:11.000 In a dream. 0.79

00:39:12.000 Yeah, but in real life, I can control everything.

00:39:17.000 I've had one where I can't run away.

00:39:20.000 Like, you can't run.

00:39:21.000 Something's chasing after you and your legs aren't working right.

00:39:25.000 Like in the wall that's sinking, I don't know.

00:39:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:30.000 Damn, I gotta make a statue of one of my dreams. 0.99

00:39:34.000 A statue? 0.99

00:39:36.000 Like that?

00:39:36.000 Like that, yeah.

00:39:37.000 I gotta do that.

00:39:40.000 I wonder how much dreams are of reflection of whatever's in our genetics.

00:39:49.000 If there's genetic memory.

00:39:51.000 I wonder if some dreams are some genetic memory from the past. 0.99

00:39:54.000 We all remember when you were on Fear Factor and made people eat those penises. 0.99

00:40:00.000 We all remember that. 0.99

00:40:02.000 Yeah.

00:40:03.000 That's a memory that is in humankind's genetics.

00:40:10.000 We're living it right now.

00:40:14.000 We're all oppressed.

00:40:16.000 But I'm wondering how much of fears and dreams...

00:40:20.000 I've had a bunch of dreams about being chased by wolves.

00:40:24.000 A bunch.

00:40:26.000 And I've always wondered what that is.

00:40:28.000 I don't run from wolves.

00:40:29.000 You don't run?

00:40:30.000 I feel like I would give them a hug.

00:40:33.000 Come here, baby.

00:40:34.000 Come here, baby. 1.00

00:40:35.000 I'll wrestle that motherfucker to the ground. 1.00

00:40:36.000 I'll grab a fucking wolf and bite that shit. 1.00

00:40:39.000 Be like, boy, I'll run this shit. 1.00

00:40:42.000 Stop. 1.00

00:40:42.000 Wow. 1.00

00:40:44.000 I have a German Shepherd.

00:40:46.000 He's a baby, though.

00:40:47.000 It's a big difference between that and a wolf.

00:40:50.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:40:51.000 Whatever.

00:40:52.000 You talk about a dog killing a bunch of jackals. 0.86

00:40:57.000 I'll get a dog. 0.92

00:40:58.000 I'm human.

00:40:59.000 We on top of the food chain. 1.00

00:41:01.000 Fuck the aliens. 1.00

00:41:02.000 I'm trying to eat some aliens. 1.00

00:41:04.000 I'm trying to eat some aliens. 1.00

00:41:06.000 I want to try that shit. 1.00

00:41:07.000 Is that cannibalism? 1.00

00:41:09.000 No.

00:41:10.000 No, not technically.

00:41:11.000 Eating an alien?

00:41:11.000 I don't think so.

00:41:12.000 Alright.

00:41:13.000 It's probably frowned upon.

00:41:15.000 There was this movie...

00:41:17.000 You think it'd be like Octopus?

00:41:19.000 This movie called Moment of Contact.

00:41:21.000 And there's a UFO crashed in Virginia, Brazil in 1996. And this cop had carried one of the bodies, like the injured alien.

00:41:32.000 And they put it in the back of the car and they drove it to the hospital.

00:41:34.000 And then they took it to another hospital.

00:41:36.000 It's all documented.

00:41:37.000 It's crazy.

00:41:38.000 The cop who was carrying the alien died of a horrific bacterial infection that they couldn't cure him of.

00:41:47.000 Antibiotics didn't worry him.

00:41:48.000 He was a young guy and he was dead within like a couple of weeks. 0.99

00:41:51.000 They don't know what the fuck it was. 0.98

00:41:53.000 Doctors had never seen anything like it. 1.00

00:41:56.000 Doctors are crazy.

00:41:58.000 Imagine if he's telling the truth.

00:41:59.000 Imagine if it really is a little alien spacecraft that crashed and he picked up a body and tried to carry it to the hospital.

00:42:07.000 This being. 1.00

00:42:09.000 Imagine them bringing a fucking alien into a hospital. 1.00

00:42:12.000 Like, hey, look what we got here. 1.00

00:42:14.000 They do.

00:42:15.000 We are aliens.

00:42:16.000 Oh, okay.

00:42:18.000 We are or we ain't.

00:42:19.000 That's what I said.

00:42:20.000 Is it cannibalism if I eat one of them?

00:42:22.000 No?

00:42:22.000 Because they're different species of us, whatever we are.

00:42:26.000 Right.

00:42:27.000 We're just a germ.

00:42:29.000 You remember Powerpuff Girls and they had the germ dudes and then the, I don't know, the green dudes? 0.93

00:42:36.000 No, I don't remember.

00:42:38.000 You were already grown up when I was watching Powerpuff.

00:42:41.000 I'm still kind of young, so I can fight for a little while.

00:42:43.000 Yeah, you're only 31. Yeah, man.

00:42:46.000 But how old were you when you had your first UFC fight?

00:42:51.000 Twenty-four.

00:42:53.000 Twenty-four.

00:42:54.000 And how much formal training?

00:42:56.000 When did you start formally MMA training?

00:42:59.000 Like training MMA in a gym?

00:43:05.000 15 years ago.

00:43:07.000 I did it as a kid.

00:43:09.000 My dad talked about it.

00:43:11.000 He did a couple kickboxing matches.

00:43:16.000 Like one or two.

00:43:18.000 I don't know.

00:43:18.000 But he fought in the streets and stuff, I guess.

00:43:22.000 My dad was a wild dude.

00:43:24.000 He had bags.

00:43:26.000 He was a naval guy.

00:43:28.000 He was a Navy guy.

00:43:32.000 And I would use some of his boxing equipment at a young age.

00:43:36.000 So, you know, I've always been punching.

00:43:40.000 But formal training, I mean, I trained myself for a long time.

00:43:44.000 You too, like I said.

00:43:45.000 Really?

00:43:46.000 But I got with Julian Williams and I met this Central Florida group of mixed martial artists have been around for, you know, it feels like 15 years.

00:43:57.000 I've been knowing them, so...

00:44:00.000 Since I was in my teens.

00:44:03.000 Formal training.

00:44:05.000 And did you go through like an amateur MMA program?

00:44:08.000 Did you have any amateur fights?

00:44:11.000 Yes.

00:44:12.000 I had like 20 amateur fights but I guess it was like a scattered version.

00:44:17.000 There are things that are more organized and put together that I mean like the boxing like the little kids that do boxing all over the country.

00:44:26.000 They're fighting every week.

00:44:27.000 They're You know, they get how many fights before they go pro?

00:44:31.000 100 fights, 200 fights, Lomachenko, 300 fights.

00:44:34.000 Before they go pro, these kids and their parents, I see that now because the boxing gym I work at, technique boxing, you know, I get to be around that type of whatever that is that...

00:44:51.000 That's that deep down, the soul of it.

00:44:54.000 It's about the kids, and they become great boxers over the years of doing it.

00:45:04.000 I've done it too, but we were one of the first...

00:45:09.000 I mean, no, fighting was already around in the 80s.

00:45:13.000 And then there's boxing, obviously.

00:45:15.000 Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali, obviously those were big fights.

00:45:20.000 But, you know, now there's more formal kids and, like, the karate combat dudes, they are...

00:45:31.000 They've been raised well by their parents, you know what I mean?

00:45:34.000 They have manners and they have technique in karate, which is different if you look at all the techniques.

00:45:42.000 Muay Thai is like a dogfight, but there is technique.

00:45:47.000 Boxing has...

00:45:48.000 And when I say technique, it's like positions of your body.

00:45:54.000 That's how you generate force and physically control.

00:46:02.000 Whatever's happening and fighting.

00:46:04.000 I mean, that's what we're talking about is how do you fight?

00:46:08.000 How? 0.99

00:46:10.000 Shit, why? 0.99

00:46:12.000 You know, I wish I could bring something else to the world that means more. 0.99

00:46:19.000 But, you know, the world does piss me off sometimes, so I'm like, yeah, I get to punch somebody for this.

00:46:24.000 But, you know, thank God.

00:46:26.000 But, you know, how can I be an addition to society and make a difference and build something and think about something and be smart? 1.00

00:46:37.000 And fuck, man, being smarter is harder, bro. 0.99

00:46:40.000 It's fucking hard out here. 1.00

00:46:42.000 What about maybe, have you thought about starting a gym? 0.96

00:46:50.000 Yeah, I mean, I want to do a fight thing.

00:46:57.000 A business company.

00:46:59.000 A fight business company?

00:47:01.000 Like a promotion company?

00:47:02.000 Yeah.

00:47:04.000 There's a lot of ways a guy like you who, you know, there's a lot of guys that can relate to people like you.

00:47:11.000 There's a lot of guys that, you know, they want to fight too.

00:47:14.000 There's a lot of angry men.

00:47:16.000 And they want to relate to a guy who's figured out a way to positively channel that.

00:47:21.000 It is really positive, but then it becomes funny.

00:47:24.000 It's like I feel like I understand fighting to the point where it's like I see...

00:47:29.000 I'm having trouble seeing the point of fighting.

00:47:34.000 It seems like a joke.

00:47:36.000 I mean, it's a fun sport, but there comes a time, I think, when it becomes...

00:47:45.000 You know, that's the question.

00:47:46.000 Am I gonna put it ahead of me and make it more important than my own self?

00:47:52.000 I mean, I feel like I'm not getting hurt, to be honest, but I do take some hits in training. 0.99

00:47:57.000 You know, that shit add up. 0.98

00:47:59.000 I've been taking punches for 20 years and it feels like, you know, it doesn't hurt until later. 0.99

00:48:09.000 It hurts later.

00:48:10.000 And then, you know, so...

00:48:14.000 I don't know, man.

00:48:16.000 Have you given thought to doing something else?

00:48:18.000 Have you given thought to, like, what are you going to do when you're done with this?

00:48:21.000 No, I feel like I just go into construction.

00:48:25.000 Just be an old guy. 1.00

00:48:26.000 Start fixing shit, man. 1.00

00:48:28.000 Pick up some tools. 1.00

00:48:30.000 Old school.

00:48:31.000 I gotta get a hot rod again, man. 1.00

00:48:34.000 I've fucked around with a few hot rods. 1.00

00:48:36.000 I'm like, man, I just gotta... 0.99

00:48:38.000 I gotta get another one and make it nice.

00:48:42.000 But I be driving the family around now, so everything's on hold.

00:48:47.000 I really just have faith in God and I try to do what's right and be good as long as I support those around me.

00:48:57.000 The women and children.

00:48:58.000 I'll be good to go.

00:49:01.000 So how did this bare knuckle thing come about?

00:49:05.000 Did you just want to test the waters over there?

00:49:09.000 Was it just a lucrative offer?

00:49:11.000 What made you go over there?

00:49:13.000 Oh yeah, big money.

00:49:15.000 It was big to me.

00:49:17.000 It was definitely big.

00:49:18.000 It was big fights.

00:49:20.000 But there wasn't a ton of people at the arena when I fought MVP, but everybody did see it.

00:49:28.000 Yeah.

00:49:29.000 So, you know, but...

00:49:31.000 Well, I think after this Rockhold fight, it's changed people's appreciation for, first of all, how difficult it is.

00:49:39.000 Like when you see Rockhold's jaw fucked up, with his teeth fucked up, and you see that you've been beating guys like him and Michael Venom Page, and it's like, these are like very high-level guys.

00:49:52.000 And you're doing it in this sport that's like, man, it's a completely different thing, to me at least.

00:50:00.000 The way you're describing it completely makes sense about how you have to be tight all the time, but still move well.

00:50:07.000 Check this out.

00:50:09.000 Michael Venom Page or Misfits Boxing?

00:50:13.000 Yes. 1.00

00:50:15.000 What's his damn name? 0.99

00:50:17.000 That English kid over there that runs Misfits Boxing. 0.99

00:50:21.000 It's like Most Valuable Promotions with Jake Paul.

00:50:24.000 KSI. KSI has Misfits Boxing.

00:50:27.000 That's his.

00:50:28.000 Okay.

00:50:29.000 And we were talking with my people about a possible...

00:50:34.000 A tournament style, one night, three fights, boxing with gloves, or would it be kickboxing with gloves?

00:50:43.000 I don't know what it was, right?

00:50:45.000 But...

00:50:48.000 Me and MVP start on different sides of the bracket.

00:50:52.000 And we fight three three-minute rounds each time.

00:50:56.000 Meaning, so the first two, me and MVP should win the fights.

00:51:00.000 And then we're fighting again in the finals for rounds seven, eight, and nine.

00:51:09.000 We would be fighting each other.

00:51:11.000 So it would be three opponents, three fights in one night.

00:51:14.000 It would pay a bunch of money per fight.

00:51:17.000 Wow.

00:51:18.000 I think that sounded kind of cool.

00:51:20.000 I would definitely give MVP another shot.

00:51:24.000 This is an event they have announced.

00:51:25.000 They have a tag team event going on in a Survivor tag match, too. 0.60

00:51:31.000 I wonder how that works.

00:51:31.000 Tag team?

00:51:32.000 Yeah, like Kimbo Slice Jr. is on here.

00:51:35.000 I've seen Rahman Jr. This is crazy! 0.89

00:51:38.000 I have no idea how it's going based off of that.

00:51:40.000 How are they going to do that?

00:51:42.000 That seems interesting to watch.

00:51:43.000 Tag team?

00:51:44.000 Yeah.

00:51:45.000 Huh.

00:51:46.000 Oh my god.

00:51:48.000 It's going to be wild.

00:51:49.000 Well, it just kind of makes sense, right?

00:51:51.000 People are always trying to push the boundaries.

00:51:54.000 People are always trying to, like, okay, is that hardcore enough?

00:51:57.000 What about if we have a bunch of dudes fighting? 1.00

00:51:59.000 Like, you've seen those Russian videos where they have, like, teams of dudes.

00:52:02.000 Teams of dudes meet on a field and just start beating the fuck out of each other.

00:52:05.000 Oh, yeah, like 200, 600. $200?

00:52:09.000 Let's go! 1.00

00:52:10.000 I want to try that shit though. 1.00

00:52:13.000 Where is that group of fighting people, man? 1.00

00:52:15.000 That's wild.

00:52:16.000 I think it was in Russia.

00:52:18.000 Was that where it was?

00:52:19.000 I think there was Ireland too, man.

00:52:22.000 Gypsies. 0.99

00:52:23.000 Car fights.

00:52:23.000 Fighting in a phone booth.

00:52:25.000 Russians are just different, man. 1.00

00:52:27.000 They're just different. 1.00

00:52:30.000 A well-put-together American is fucking up there, though. 0.99

00:52:35.000 Oh, for sure. 1.00

00:52:36.000 For sure.

00:52:37.000 But we're not having groups of 200 people meet groups of 200 people and just running into each other on a football field and beating the fuck out of each other. 0.70

00:52:46.000 Come on, let's go, America. 1.00

00:52:48.000 Let's do the American team versus that big Russian team, man. 1.00

00:52:52.000 Let's see what happens.

00:52:53.000 200 on 200. Bro, that would be scary.

00:52:56.000 What is this?

00:52:58.000 The team fighting championship.

00:53:00.000 Oh God.

00:53:02.000 Which is sort of what...

00:53:03.000 It's not the giant field one, but this is...

00:53:05.000 So this is Poland versus Sweden.

00:53:08.000 Oh my God, this is insane.

00:53:11.000 Jesus Christ.

00:53:12.000 I went to Russia and they tried to fight me at a press conference.

00:53:19.000 Oh my God.

00:53:21.000 Where did you go to Russia for?

00:53:23.000 My friend was fighting. 1.00

00:53:26.000 Fucker. 1.00

00:53:27.000 He fucking got beat up by this big Russian guy. 1.00

00:53:30.000 He fights giants, man. 1.00

00:53:32.000 He just fought.

00:53:35.000 He just fought...

00:53:36.000 What's that dude's name in the UFC who...

00:53:42.000 Johnny.

00:53:44.000 The 205er.

00:53:46.000 Light heavyweight.

00:53:48.000 Well...

00:53:51.000 Johnny Walker.

00:53:52.000 Johnny Walker.

00:53:52.000 Yeah.

00:53:53.000 And his brother, he has a brother that's 12-0 or 11-0 now because he beat Alex, but he's like 260 pounds, I think.

00:54:02.000 And Alex is like 220, 225. And he fights these heavyweights.

00:54:09.000 He had a good battle with them.

00:54:10.000 He didn't win that one.

00:54:12.000 Johnny Walker is an interesting guy.

00:54:16.000 That dude has crazy power.

00:54:20.000 Look at that.

00:54:21.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:54:23.000 That's him.

00:54:24.000 Good for him, man.

00:54:25.000 He had a good fight, my boy.

00:54:27.000 Very interesting.

00:54:28.000 11-0.

00:54:31.000 Johnny Walker, kid, he generates power from some crazy ways.

00:54:36.000 Like when he's fighting Paul Craig and Paul Craig grabbed ahold of his leg and he's KOing him while he's like hopping around on one leg.

00:54:44.000 Jamal Hill, bro.

00:54:46.000 Yeah.

00:54:47.000 That time that he got hit in the forehead like that.

00:54:51.000 And he put Johnny down.

00:54:53.000 Jamal.

00:54:53.000 Jamal, he was cool, bro.

00:54:55.000 He just, like, fights, man.

00:54:59.000 He just get in there.

00:55:01.000 He's got amazing timing, too.

00:55:04.000 His timing.

00:55:05.000 He's long.

00:55:06.000 He's long.

00:55:07.000 But strong, though.

00:55:08.000 Yeah, long and strong.

00:55:11.000 When he fought Glover, I was like, God, man.

00:55:16.000 Jamal's like...

00:55:18.000 And he's coming into his own, too.

00:55:19.000 There's a thing that happens to a guy when he hits that championship level where they're just coming in their own and they start to really shine.

00:55:26.000 And that's where he's at.

00:55:28.000 That guy's got crazy power.

00:55:30.000 He's a fun dude, too.

00:55:32.000 Boom! 0.99

00:55:33.000 That's wild, man.

00:55:34.000 Sorry, Johnny.

00:55:35.000 It's crazy.

00:55:37.000 Let's go.

00:55:37.000 Jamal, you from Grand Blank?

00:55:39.000 That's where he lives.

00:55:40.000 I was talking to him the other day. 0.99

00:55:42.000 I'm like, shit, I want to train with him. 0.99

00:55:45.000 He's the champ. 0.99

00:55:46.000 Yeah.

00:55:47.000 At 205 outside of, you know, John Jones.

00:55:50.000 Is he undefeated, Jamal Hill?

00:55:52.000 No.

00:55:53.000 Paul Craig tapped him out.

00:55:55.000 Oh, his armbar.

00:55:55.000 Yeah, see Paul Craig, he be having, you know, ups and downs.

00:55:59.000 He can beat anyone with that grappling.

00:56:01.000 That grappling is crazy.

00:56:02.000 His guard is crazy. 0.87

00:56:04.000 His guard's crazy.

00:56:05.000 He just cinches up those triangles on you.

00:56:08.000 You just gotta smash when somebody's grabbing you, you know?

00:56:11.000 Well, that's what Johnny Walker did.

00:56:12.000 They have a good top game.

00:56:13.000 That's what Johnny Walker did.

00:56:14.000 To Paul Craig.

00:56:17.000 He was holding on to that leg trying to get the tank down. 0.99

00:56:19.000 Johnny Walker's just so fucking athletic.

00:56:23.000 And he's an interesting dude, man. 0.90

00:56:28.000 Back it up so you can see how it started.

00:56:31.000 He grabs his leg and he's KOing him while he's holding his leg up in the air.

00:56:38.000 That is nuts.

00:56:40.000 That kind of power is nuts.

00:56:41.000 Oh my gosh.

00:56:43.000 That hurt his head, man.

00:56:44.000 He's a big dude for 205. He's so big.

00:56:49.000 I love the fights, man.

00:56:51.000 Oh, Yoel Romero's fighting Bellator this weekend.

00:56:54.000 I know.

00:56:55.000 Isn't that wild?

00:56:56.000 He looks like he's 30 years old.

00:56:58.000 Oh my gosh.

00:56:59.000 He does.

00:57:00.000 He looks exactly the same.

00:57:02.000 He looks exactly the same.

00:57:04.000 That dude is amazing.

00:57:05.000 He's a good soul, man.

00:57:06.000 He's a great soul.

00:57:07.000 Yoel is very strong.

00:57:09.000 He holds up the community, man.

00:57:12.000 Support him.

00:57:12.000 I had a podcast I did with him and Joey Diaz.

00:57:16.000 And Joey Diaz translated...

00:57:19.000 So Yoel would say some of the stuff in English, but then he would say some of the stuff in Spanish, and Joey Diaz would translate.

00:57:25.000 It was amazing.

00:57:26.000 Yeah, Joey Diaz is cool, man.

00:57:28.000 He's the best. 0.93

00:57:28.000 He's a crazy guy, man. 0.93

00:57:30.000 Good for him. 0.99

00:57:31.000 Yeah, he's the best.

00:57:33.000 Can of corn.

00:57:34.000 Can of corn and I'll be fine.

00:57:36.000 What's that from The Longest Yard, man?

00:57:39.000 He was in there.

00:57:41.000 Joey Diaz.

00:57:42.000 Hilarious.

00:57:43.000 Yeah.

00:57:46.000 He, you know, he came from Cuba as well.

00:57:48.000 And the way they were describing, you know, the system over in Cuba and like Yoel was talking about the wrestling system that he came up through.

00:57:58.000 He goes, it makes you on my chin.

00:58:03.000 That's good, man.

00:58:05.000 A machine.

00:58:06.000 I want to be an actor, bro.

00:58:08.000 Is that what you want to do?

00:58:09.000 Why not?

00:58:09.000 Oh, you can do it.

00:58:10.000 Let me be a bad guy in a movie or something, man.

00:58:12.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:58:13.000 How about you in John Wick 5?

00:58:14.000 Let's go.

00:58:15.000 Let's go.

00:58:16.000 Keanu, bro.

00:58:17.000 Come on, man.

00:58:18.000 You'd be an amazing bad guy assassin with a sharp suit on.

00:58:23.000 Let's go.

00:58:24.000 Come on, Mike Perry.

00:58:25.000 Something nice.

00:58:26.000 That actually would work.

00:58:28.000 Yeah.

00:58:29.000 That actually would work.

00:58:31.000 I could see that.

00:58:32.000 I'm about to go get married in Vegas, man.

00:58:34.000 Alright, man.

00:58:36.000 I'm about to go do it, have a good time with the fam.

00:58:38.000 Nice.

00:58:39.000 Some fun.

00:58:42.000 So, do you have any fights lined up?

00:58:45.000 How does it work after this last...

00:58:49.000 This is the most popular performance in terms of the amount of people that watched the Rockhold fight.

00:58:56.000 Was that the biggest one that they put on?

00:58:59.000 Um, so do they have anything lined up for you?

00:59:03.000 Uh, apparently, you know, there's a couple deals on the table and I really don't know what's, you know, am I supposed to decide what happens?

00:59:14.000 Um, I really, my team is trying to give me the best deal possible.

00:59:19.000 Um, life-changing deal.

00:59:22.000 You know, I had success against Rockhold and it's, it's I've been doing good, and I'm trying to stay on that path.

00:59:32.000 I'll fight anyone.

00:59:34.000 It don't matter.

00:59:35.000 I'll fight.

00:59:37.000 A lot of haters on the internet, man.

00:59:40.000 Come on, UFC. Give me that good deal, man.

00:59:43.000 Give me that good deal.

00:59:44.000 I don't think they...

00:59:46.000 They match a deal like the ones that I'm going to get, though. 0.81

00:59:50.000 I mean, damn, where do I want to be champion? 0.70

00:59:52.000 Where do I get the most views? 0.99

00:59:54.000 That's what I want.

00:59:56.000 I want to fight in front of the biggest crowd I can, and people enjoy it.

01:00:01.000 Enjoy the show, man, because I'm going to go for broke. 1.00

01:00:04.000 Headbutt your shit and fucking... 1.00

01:00:06.000 And it don't matter if it's bare knuckle or if it's with gloves or boxing gloves or boxing ring. 1.00

01:00:11.000 Anthony Pettis just fought...

01:00:13.000 Roy Jones Jr. It was a great fight.

01:00:17.000 You know, I think that's a great fight for me in boxing match.

01:00:22.000 And I love Anthony, and God bless him, and he's a competitor.

01:00:25.000 And, you know, it's...

01:00:29.000 It's just a fun little boxing match.

01:00:31.000 And if we could get paid good for it, I want to do it.

01:00:35.000 Show up and spar.

01:00:36.000 I want to work with pro fighters all over.

01:00:38.000 So I said I wanted to go work with Jamal Hill.

01:00:41.000 What do you think I mean when I say work?

01:00:43.000 We're going to put gloves on and try to swing at each other.

01:00:45.000 So we might as well just fight.

01:00:47.000 I'll fight Jamal Hill.

01:00:48.000 God bless him too. 1.00

01:00:49.000 I mean, he'll probably beat my ass. 1.00

01:00:50.000 He's too big. 1.00

01:00:51.000 He's 205-er.

01:00:52.000 But give me a shot.

01:00:53.000 I'll try it.

01:00:54.000 Let's go.

01:00:55.000 I know you would.

01:00:56.000 I'll try it. 1.00

01:00:56.000 This is a fucking... 1.00

01:00:57.000 Bigger they are, the harder they fall, man. 1.00

01:00:59.000 There's a hilarious video of you with Darren Till.

01:01:02.000 Yeah, that's a good fight.

01:01:03.000 That's a great fight.

01:01:04.000 But when you were saying to him, do you want to spar?

01:01:08.000 And he thought you were saying, do you want to go to the spa?

01:01:12.000 Like, go get a massage.

01:01:13.000 No, I think he knew what I meant.

01:01:15.000 I think that was just his joke. 1.00

01:01:17.000 He's a clever little fucker. 1.00

01:01:22.000 So, you know, but he's... 1.00

01:01:24.000 That's a great fight.

01:01:26.000 Where do we want to do that fight?

01:01:28.000 Who wants to take that fight and get the viewers from it?

01:01:31.000 It's me and Darren Till in any way.

01:01:34.000 Either MMA, because he did MMA. Masvidal clapped his face.

01:01:40.000 And then, you know...

01:01:42.000 Yeah, he's a big guy that was cutting down to 172. I mean...

01:01:49.000 Do you think that when those guys really cut down like that, that it affects your chin? 0.99

01:01:54.000 People want to see me fucking fight in Africa. 0.98

01:01:58.000 Because they say I'm from... 0.99

01:02:00.000 That's what they say all over the internet.

01:02:03.000 That's the joke that goes around.

01:02:05.000 Is it on 4chan? 1.00

01:02:07.000 Fucking... 0.99

01:02:07.000 On 4chan? 0.99

01:02:09.000 4chan.

01:02:10.000 You know what that is?

01:02:11.000 What is that?

01:02:12.000 It's the internet when you just let it go uncensored. 0.97

01:02:16.000 It's a website with crazy people. 0.97

01:02:18.000 Mm-hmm. 0.98

01:02:20.000 Well, no, they...

01:02:22.000 But it just sounds like something they might try to organize.

01:02:25.000 It's because I said it a long time ago.

01:02:27.000 I wonder if the UFC's ever going to have a fight in Africa.

01:02:31.000 That would be wild.

01:02:34.000 Maybe in the same place where Ali fought Foreman.

01:02:41.000 I'm saying PFL has Francis Ngannou now.

01:02:46.000 That's interesting, right?

01:02:48.000 Isn't it something crazy like Francis' opponent has to get paid a million dollars?

01:02:53.000 Did you read that?

01:02:54.000 Let's make sure that that's true.

01:02:55.000 I think I'm repeating that that someone told me.

01:02:59.000 I want to make sure that's true.

01:03:02.000 You know what?

01:03:03.000 It was Stylebender.

01:03:04.000 He was talking to Schultz about it.

01:03:06.000 Yeah.

01:03:11.000 - Yeah.

01:03:11.000 - I'm up two million.

01:03:13.000 The PFL has offered to pay Ngannou's opponent a minimum purse of two million dollars.

01:03:21.000 Ngannou did not want to face an opponent who was not paid what they deserve.

01:03:24.000 Wow.

01:03:25.000 He wants to see fighters be rewarded.

01:03:28.000 He wants the best possible opponent.

01:03:31.000 So listen, man, that spices things up.

01:03:33.000 If you know you're going to get two million bucks to fight him, guys who are on like the end of their contract.

01:03:39.000 And what's good about that, it's just like raises competition for everybody.

01:03:43.000 And I think there's so many fighters now that it's almost like we need more organizations.

01:03:48.000 But I think we definitely need more weight classes.

01:03:51.000 Don't you think?

01:03:54.000 Yeah, just meet up and fight.

01:03:58.000 I weigh 195, 190 right now.

01:04:02.000 I probably lost some weight this morning, but 190. So, you know, I could fight a guy at the bar in the street.

01:04:12.000 200 pounds.

01:04:13.000 Right, but as a sport, do you think, like, as UFC, do you think the UFC should have more weight classes?

01:04:19.000 Boxing does, so why not?

01:04:22.000 I mean, who cares though?

01:04:25.000 To go back to 170, I've been at 75, and then my last fight was at 185. But MMA is different with 185. But in boxing, I was a good size for 185. I'm short, and you can box being short, but when you're up against the kicks, you can't.

01:04:48.000 Be dipping down.

01:04:50.000 I mean, I still do good when I fight kickboxers, but I'd have to pick it back up again.

01:04:55.000 I've had some trouble getting kicked before and things like that.

01:04:58.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:05:00.000 I don't know.

01:05:01.000 I don't think about it.

01:05:03.000 You don't think about it.

01:05:03.000 You just fight, whatever.

01:05:05.000 You don't have a preference.

01:05:08.000 Like, if you had a preference.

01:05:10.000 Would your preference be that the UFC comes to you with a big offer?

01:05:19.000 Would that be your preference?

01:05:20.000 Isn't that the top of the food chain though?

01:05:22.000 The pay-per-view, the crowd, the UFC pay-per-view.

01:05:27.000 I mean, guys went in and out of the UFC since the 1990s when it came out.

01:05:34.000 And getting paid, Rampage, Jackson.

01:05:39.000 Love that guy, man.

01:05:40.000 He's great.

01:05:41.000 The Rampage is awesome.

01:05:42.000 He's got his son.

01:05:43.000 He was talking about Wanderlei's son.

01:05:46.000 He has a son who does fighting, too.

01:05:49.000 Oh, no.

01:05:49.000 So their sons could fight.

01:05:51.000 That could be a good fight.

01:05:53.000 Oh, my God.

01:05:53.000 Wanderlei Rampage again.

01:05:55.000 Wow.

01:05:56.000 That's crazy.

01:05:57.000 Those fights they had in Pride were nuts.

01:06:00.000 That's something I really wish I had seen live.

01:06:03.000 You never saw Pride live, huh?

01:06:05.000 No.

01:06:06.000 I did in Vegas.

01:06:07.000 I saw Pride in Vegas, but it wasn't.

01:06:11.000 Man, you see the now, though.

01:06:13.000 Yeah.

01:06:14.000 Oh, no, no, for sure.

01:06:15.000 Big fights, man.

01:06:19.000 It's great to be a part of that.

01:06:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:21.000 But what is different about Japan...

01:06:24.000 And the Pride era was like, you know, you got like 90,000 people at the Saitama Super Arena.

01:06:31.000 Yeah, or like the Thrilla in Manila, right?

01:06:33.000 They said that was in Africa, right?

01:06:35.000 That was in Africa.

01:06:36.000 And Ali vs. 0.96

01:06:37.000 Foreman.

01:06:37.000 Yeah.

01:06:38.000 Biggest fight ever.

01:06:40.000 But that was when I was a kid.

01:06:41.000 I couldn't have seen that.

01:06:42.000 I could have gone to Japan to watch one of those big, crazy Pride events, and I really feel like I should have.

01:06:48.000 I really feel like I should have watched Fedor fight live when he was in his prime.

01:06:51.000 I should have just flown out to Japan. 1.00

01:06:53.000 Fuck it. 1.00

01:06:54.000 Because that's something that, like, that dude, like, you want to talk about a legend. 1.00

01:06:59.000 Fedor.

01:07:00.000 Like, that dude, I mean, he could do it all.

01:07:03.000 Yeah, I watched his YouTube stuff, too.

01:07:04.000 Miracle Crow Cop. 0.94

01:07:05.000 I watched all that stuff growing up, you know?

01:07:07.000 YouTube.

01:07:08.000 I got to catch everything.

01:07:09.000 I studied that, I guess.

01:07:11.000 Everything.

01:07:11.000 When you were watching on YouTube, did you get together with friends and practice?

01:07:15.000 How did you put it together?

01:07:16.000 Sometimes.

01:07:19.000 Shadowbox.

01:07:20.000 Shadowboxing is huge, man.

01:07:22.000 If you can't punch the air, then you can't punch a person.

01:07:26.000 True.

01:07:27.000 You gotta know how to throw a punch and be prepared to miss, be prepared to land, and make it count.

01:07:36.000 Because that's what a punch is for.

01:07:38.000 It's like, I can take you out quick.

01:07:40.000 I don't...

01:07:41.000 But, you know, I guess that's what the gloves do, right?

01:07:44.000 Yeah.

01:07:45.000 I'm going to go back to that.

01:07:46.000 The boxing gloves give you a longer fight, a harder fight.

01:07:50.000 Yeah.

01:07:52.000 No gloves.

01:07:53.000 It's faster paced.

01:07:53.000 They can't take it.

01:07:55.000 There's also the argument that you take more brain damage with gloves because you get hit more because it's easier to just hit you full blast.

01:08:04.000 Yeah.

01:08:05.000 You can't train bare knuckle though.

01:08:07.000 So how do you train?

01:08:09.000 You just train with regular boxing gloves?

01:08:11.000 Well, sometimes, right?

01:08:12.000 But only like mitts and you can't spar with anyone.

01:08:17.000 No one's trying to go bare knuckle with me and we got to put 16s on and hit that way with headgear.

01:08:24.000 Don't you think in that case like your previous experience in bare knuckle is a giant advantage to anybody that wants to just step in and try it now?

01:08:34.000 But I fought someone with nine fights.

01:08:36.000 Yes.

01:08:37.000 Oh, no doubt.

01:08:37.000 My first time.

01:08:38.000 Right.

01:08:38.000 No doubt.

01:08:39.000 I think it's boxing.

01:08:40.000 I think I know boxing good.

01:08:42.000 And I think I'm a great boxer.

01:08:45.000 I'm 0-1.

01:08:46.000 So I want to get a boxing match that counts onto my record because the Triller one didn't.

01:08:51.000 Right.

01:08:52.000 So, I'm still technically 0-1.

01:08:55.000 I want to get a boxing match.

01:08:57.000 Jake Paul, that would be, you know, he's about to fight Nate Diaz, so that's cool.

01:09:03.000 That's a good fight, man.

01:09:04.000 Good for both of them.

01:09:09.000 I think Nate's going to teach him some lessons.

01:09:11.000 All I was getting at was that you can definitely box, definitely.

01:09:14.000 What I'm saying is that you've done it with bare knuckle more than once.

01:09:20.000 It's too easy, man.

01:09:21.000 Nobody wants to smoke that way.

01:09:23.000 But you're saying you can't spar that way.

01:09:24.000 You can't spar that way, right?

01:09:26.000 So that's a unique experience the first time anybody ever does it.

01:09:29.000 But you've already done it.

01:09:30.000 You've done it multiple times successfully.

01:09:32.000 That's a giant advantage.

01:09:33.000 It's a giant advantage you have right now.

01:09:35.000 It's very interesting.

01:09:37.000 And you're such a dog that you're particularly designed for that kind of fighting.

01:09:42.000 When I was watching that Rockhold fight, I was like, Jesus!

01:09:46.000 I train a lot, man.

01:09:48.000 If you look at pictures of me in that moment when I was fighting, I look like a different person.

01:09:54.000 I've kind of lost it since that fight.

01:09:55.000 I've built that up so much.

01:09:58.000 For the camp, I was a different man.

01:10:01.000 I was chiseled.

01:10:02.000 I was focused.

01:10:03.000 I was straightened out.

01:10:04.000 I let myself go a little bit after the fight.

01:10:07.000 You're supposed to.

01:10:09.000 I think that's how you heal.

01:10:11.000 You just kind of start laying around and...

01:10:14.000 Relax for a little bit.

01:10:16.000 Yeah, just hang out.

01:10:18.000 Did you bulk up for that fight?

01:10:22.000 I tried to eat more.

01:10:24.000 Yeah, I tried to...

01:10:25.000 I eat good anyways. 0.98

01:10:26.000 I love going to restaurants and just getting some nice little wagyu or fucking caviar and all type of that. 0.98

01:10:35.000 Oysters. 1.00

01:10:37.000 Suck them down while I'm hungry. 1.00

01:10:40.000 I like the sound effects. 1.00

01:10:42.000 Yeah.

01:10:43.000 That's hilarious.

01:10:44.000 Thanks.

01:10:45.000 Yeah, man.

01:10:46.000 You're living good.

01:10:46.000 You're supposed to.

01:10:47.000 You're supposed to be living good.

01:10:49.000 Alcohol, I gotta quit, though.

01:10:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:10:52.000 I will again, but, you know, damn. 0.99

01:10:55.000 I'm gonna just sip on it next time. 0.99

01:10:58.000 This morning was rough, boy.

01:11:00.000 I ain't gonna lie.

01:11:01.000 This morning was rough.

01:11:03.000 The ice battle.

01:11:04.000 Like that saved my life.

01:11:06.000 Woke you right up.

01:11:07.000 Yeah.

01:11:08.000 We have a new blue cube ice bath that is like a running river.

01:11:14.000 And you climb inside of it and it's torturous.

01:11:17.000 It's torturous.

01:11:18.000 It's great.

01:11:18.000 I'm thinking about it right now.

01:11:21.000 I got some work I'm getting done on Friday.

01:11:23.000 I'm doing PT a lot now.

01:11:25.000 What's going on with your neck?

01:11:25.000 Yeah, I'm doing PT, man.

01:11:27.000 What's going on with your neck?

01:11:28.000 My shoulder's just tight, I guess.

01:11:31.000 It's like, you know...

01:11:33.000 I go southpaw sometimes to try to make it feel better.

01:11:38.000 It's like I do so much this way that this gets tight.

01:11:42.000 Or I get hit so much maybe on this side, this side gets tight.

01:11:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:48.000 So then it just takes PT and focus on it.

01:11:51.000 You ever had stem cells on it?

01:11:54.000 Aw man, that would be cool.

01:11:56.000 Yeah.

01:11:57.000 That would be cool, man.

01:11:58.000 I think that's your move.

01:12:00.000 And then put a needle... 1.00

01:12:01.000 It feels like, go ahead man, just put a needle in there, motherfucker, and squirt a bunch of that shit in there. 1.00

01:12:07.000 Gordon Ryan had some stem cells injected, I think he was into his shoulder, and it fixed his neck problem. 1.00

01:12:15.000 He had a neck problem for a while, he was saying.

01:12:18.000 Because it goes through your whole body, but they do it on the site of the injury, but it's still, you know, there's a lot of...

01:12:26.000 It helps repair.

01:12:27.000 Yeah, it repairs all over your body. 1.00

01:12:29.000 It's like a sperm goop that fucking lays all over your shit and makes new genetics. 1.00

01:12:36.000 Or a DNA. Maybe. 1.00

01:12:38.000 It like attaches to your DNA. I wouldn't want to grade that in a science class.

01:12:43.000 I don't know if that's exactly how it goes down.

01:12:45.000 It's making babies.

01:12:48.000 Whatever that goop is, it makes some babies. 0.92

01:12:50.000 It's replicating.

01:12:50.000 Yeah.

01:12:51.000 It's replicating.

01:12:52.000 It fixes.

01:12:52.000 Yeah.

01:12:53.000 That was a weird way to put it, but...

01:12:55.000 I know what you're saying, though.

01:12:56.000 Yeah.

01:12:56.000 Yeah, I mean, it's something like that.

01:12:58.000 Whatever the fuck it is. 0.98

01:13:00.000 You can take parts of other people's bodies and inject it into you and it helps things heal. 0.99

01:13:06.000 You just gotta work on everything anyway, so, like...

01:13:10.000 GSP, he's always posting, like, you know, stretches that he's doing or...

01:13:16.000 Yeah.

01:13:16.000 So, I mean, he's doing that for a reason.

01:13:19.000 You got to work an area out.

01:13:20.000 I know that you got to train your...

01:13:22.000 Like, when your neck's hurting, you got to train.

01:13:25.000 Like, do your back pull-ups.

01:13:28.000 That's why I did that motion, because I'm thinking about doing my back muscles.

01:13:32.000 So I got to...

01:13:33.000 Or the pull ends.

01:13:34.000 You know, I got to strengthen the area around.

01:13:37.000 That's old school.

01:13:38.000 That's how we do it.

01:13:39.000 That's how you deal with pain. 1.00

01:13:40.000 You fucking work harder. 0.99

01:13:42.000 And, you know, I guess I've never, I'm talking about, you know, why I haven't done stem cells. 1.00

01:13:50.000 and I don't know.

01:13:52.000 I don't really care. 0.97

01:13:53.000 I'm just gonna fucking deal with it and do it. 0.98

01:13:57.000 Well, I appreciate your toughness. 0.99

01:13:59.000 Sit around like McGregor.

01:14:01.000 But I mean, I think maybe for your overall ability to To be at your best.

01:14:08.000 Yeah.

01:14:08.000 You should probably get it at least looked at.

01:14:10.000 Do everything I can to try, yeah.

01:14:13.000 Yeah.

01:14:15.000 I got the money for it, so.

01:14:17.000 Oh, okay.

01:14:17.000 I do got the money for it.

01:14:19.000 You do?

01:14:19.000 Yeah.

01:14:19.000 Okay.

01:14:19.000 It was like $10,000 for some stem cells.

01:14:22.000 I would like to know.

01:14:23.000 I know that there's a really good place in Tijuana, the Cellular Performance Institute.

01:14:28.000 I know the guys that run that, and a lot of MMA fighters have gone down there.

01:14:33.000 A lot of...

01:14:34.000 Eddie Bravo's gone down there.

01:14:35.000 A lot of guys go down there.

01:14:36.000 I know people went to Colombia to do it, too.

01:14:38.000 Yeah, that's that bio-accelerator.

01:14:40.000 Panama has a great place.

01:14:43.000 It's Dr. Neil Reardon's place.

01:14:45.000 I actually sent my mom down there twice.

01:14:47.000 Oh, really?

01:14:48.000 Your mom got it done?

01:14:49.000 Yeah, she was having knee issues. 1.00

01:14:51.000 Yeah.

01:14:52.000 Yeah, man, it absolutely can help with some, especially, like, soft tissue injuries.

01:15:00.000 It's interesting stuff.

01:15:02.000 It's just, it's new advances like that. 0.99

01:15:05.000 Medicine are fucking wild. 0.96

01:15:07.000 Yeah, I know I gotta do that. 0.99

01:15:08.000 Fixed tissue.

01:15:09.000 It's just, it's always better if you're at your best.

01:15:12.000 Especially when you're thinking about it.

01:15:14.000 But I feel like that's what a camp is.

01:15:17.000 I get these issues.

01:15:19.000 Right.

01:15:20.000 I've had this neck pain seems like my life force.

01:15:25.000 That is driving my life.

01:15:28.000 I feel like I never remember a time when I didn't have a pain in my neck or just a pain just walking around.

01:15:34.000 In your neck always or just anywhere?

01:15:38.000 Anywhere is understandable, but if it's in the same spot...

01:15:40.000 Something's always hurt.

01:15:41.000 Right.

01:15:42.000 Something's always hurt.

01:15:43.000 Of course.

01:15:44.000 My finger.

01:15:45.000 Right.

01:15:45.000 My neck.

01:15:46.000 Yeah.

01:15:47.000 If you're sparring all the time, something's always hurt.

01:15:50.000 But what I'm worried about is that the way you're describing it could be like a chronic injury.

01:15:56.000 That could be limiting your ability.

01:15:58.000 Like Yoel, who we're talking about, Yoel Romero, he has his neck fused.

01:16:03.000 You ever see a video of him? 0.93

01:16:05.000 He had an operation where his disc was so fucked up they'd have fused the discs in his neck. 0.96

01:16:10.000 They'd have fused the spinal columns. 0.99

01:16:12.000 Have you ever seen a video of him running?

01:16:15.000 There's a video of him running and his neck doesn't move because it's like fused.

01:16:20.000 It's crazy.

01:16:21.000 The video says Yoel Romero runs like his neck is fused because it is.

01:16:27.000 That's not what the back is.

01:16:28.000 I don't know if that really looks like it.

01:16:30.000 Oh, he do have a score?

01:16:31.000 What?

01:16:31.000 Yeah, he does.

01:16:32.000 So that's his neck is fused.

01:16:35.000 Dang.

01:16:39.000 I think he said that it was the most frightening time of his life because he was worried that he was going to die.

01:16:44.000 But there's a video of him running.

01:16:45.000 And it's crazy when you watch him run.

01:16:47.000 Because, like, his...

01:16:48.000 All of this doesn't move at all.

01:16:51.000 It's just completely straight.

01:16:53.000 And he just...

01:16:54.000 Look at this.

01:16:55.000 Look at his neck.

01:16:57.000 Isn't that wild?

01:16:59.000 Boog in it. 1.00

01:17:01.000 But, like, his...

01:17:04.000 Athleticism is insane and he's doing all this athleticism with a frozen neck.

01:17:11.000 Imagine having to fight him bare knuckle. 0.81

01:17:15.000 That guy. 1.00

01:17:18.000 What a fucking stud. 1.00

01:17:21.000 He was so good. 1.00

01:17:23.000 And it's amazing that he's so good still at 46 years old.

01:17:27.000 Is that what he is?

01:17:28.000 Yeah, that too.

01:17:28.000 That's amazing.

01:17:29.000 I always think about guys like Dan Henderson.

01:17:32.000 Why?

01:17:33.000 Love Dan Henderson.

01:17:34.000 I love his fighting.

01:17:36.000 Dan Henderson's fighting.

01:17:37.000 That dude, if you ever put your hand on his back, Feels like he's made out of wood.

01:17:43.000 Like, he doesn't feel like a normal person.

01:17:44.000 Like, something's going on.

01:17:46.000 Like, there's a lady who I knew that was his massage therapist. 1.00

01:17:49.000 She's like, it's like the most brutal thing just to get through all that hard tissue. 0.99

01:17:54.000 It's all just like knotted up like fucking wire. 0.99

01:17:58.000 It's my... 1.00

01:17:59.000 It's our evolution as fighters.

01:18:03.000 So, I mean, I don't want it.

01:18:05.000 Like, I stopped. 0.98

01:18:07.000 I don't like getting pedicures with girls and shit because then I'm like, I earn the soles of my feet through fighting. 0.98

01:18:16.000 Whether I wear shoes boxing or I do a barefoot MMA, you know, you earn the soles of your feet. 0.99

01:18:24.000 So it's like, you know, doing certain things.

01:18:27.000 I don't know. 0.98

01:18:29.000 Fucking get a shot of stem cells in my neck right now while we're talking about it. 0.99

01:18:33.000 Yeah, you probably should. 1.00

01:18:34.000 I gotta go to another fucking country. 1.00

01:18:37.000 No, there's some stuff they can do, actually, even in Austin. 1.00

01:18:41.000 Wasted while I was in Austin.

01:18:44.000 I have to look it up in Orlando.

01:18:48.000 You need certain treatments today in America.

01:18:51.000 It's just to really go full, whole hog, you've got to go somewhere else.

01:18:56.000 And like I said, a place down in Tijuana, everybody raves about it.

01:19:01.000 A lot of people I know have been there.

01:19:03.000 That's the Cellular Performance Institute, and then there's BioAccelerator in Columbia.

01:19:09.000 And there's probably other ones too, including Dr. Neil Reardon's in Panama. 0.90

01:19:12.000 But if you want to go there, apparently they can do a lot more wild shit than we can do here. 0.97

01:19:19.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:19:21.000 Yeah, well, places don't be safe.

01:19:26.000 I be staying home with the fam.

01:19:27.000 Yeah.

01:19:28.000 I keep myself out of trouble.

01:19:30.000 I do some push-ups.

01:19:31.000 Yeah.

01:19:32.000 And eat some food.

01:19:34.000 That's why I like to watch cartoons.

01:19:35.000 I hear ya.

01:19:36.000 With the kids.

01:19:38.000 Play games.

01:19:39.000 Call of Duty, man.

01:19:40.000 You know, play that.

01:19:41.000 Yeah.

01:19:42.000 If you ever wanted to go to the one in Tijuana, though, it's like right down from San Diego.

01:19:48.000 You could just drive into it.

01:19:50.000 Yeah.

01:19:51.000 You know?

01:19:53.000 San Diego, California?

01:19:55.000 Yeah.

01:19:55.000 It's on the other side.

01:19:57.000 I know.

01:19:58.000 East Coast, boy.

01:20:00.000 East Coast, boy.

01:20:05.000 So you born and raised in Florida?

01:20:08.000 Where'd you grow up?

01:20:09.000 You said Michigan?

01:20:10.000 You said Flint at one point in time?

01:20:12.000 And then how'd you get to Florida?

01:20:17.000 Mom and dad separated, and I used to go back and forth.

01:20:21.000 There's a particular type of wild dude from Florida.

01:20:24.000 It's so much so that there's like a name, Florida man. 0.99

01:20:27.000 What the fuck is it about Florida? 0.99

01:20:29.000 Tell me as a resident. 0.99

01:20:30.000 I thought that was me.

01:20:32.000 I thought the Florida man is me.

01:20:35.000 Because there's like a whole video and a drawing.

01:20:39.000 It's like 40 minutes.

01:20:40.000 I've...

01:20:41.000 I've been blessed in life where people, you know, find things interesting about me and make some cool videos.

01:20:49.000 And I know you know about that, man. 0.96

01:20:51.000 You're the fucking coolest, bro. 0.96

01:20:53.000 Everybody likes you, so. 0.94

01:20:54.000 Thank you.

01:20:55.000 Yeah, man.

01:20:57.000 But, man.

01:21:00.000 I forgot.

01:21:01.000 What did you ask me? 1.00

01:21:02.000 I forget shit a lot, man. 1.00

01:21:05.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:21:06.000 Do you worry about that? 1.00

01:21:06.000 No. 1.00

01:21:07.000 No? 1.00

01:21:07.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:21:08.000 Just deal with it? 1.00

01:21:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:10.000 Everybody forgets shit, but maybe you don't. 1.00

01:21:13.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:21:15.000 I don't know.

01:21:16.000 You eat the alpha brain sometimes, and it helps with memory.

01:21:21.000 Well, you know, the reason why I found what we even invented, alpha brain, was because I had heard what Bill Romanowski did.

01:21:28.000 You know, the football player?

01:21:30.000 He created this stuff called Neuro One.

01:21:34.000 I was on this radio show in San Francisco back in the day, and one of the co-hosts of the radio show said, hey, I want you to try this stuff.

01:21:42.000 My coach, Bill Romanowski, he was his trainer, and it was his friend or something who was getting him through workouts.

01:21:50.000 He said, I want you to try this.

01:21:51.000 It's a nootropic.

01:21:52.000 And he developed it.

01:21:53.000 To help with the symptoms that he received from all the concussions that he got from playing football.

01:22:00.000 He was having problems with his memory.

01:22:01.000 So he developed this nutrient blend of things that enhance your memory.

01:22:07.000 So that was the first one of those that we ever tried before I did Alpha Brain. 0.99

01:22:11.000 It's great shit. 0.93

01:22:12.000 Yeah, I just took my first one before we did this. 1.00

01:22:15.000 Did you?

01:22:15.000 How's it feel?

01:22:17.000 I'm wondering.

01:22:18.000 I'm trying to think about it.

01:22:19.000 I'm like, is it helping me? 0.98

01:22:20.000 Because I'm forgetting all this shit, but I probably need to keep doing it. 0.98

01:22:24.000 Yeah, it's that laughing gas weed, too. 0.99

01:22:26.000 That stuff is...

01:22:27.000 Yeah, I think that's what it is, to be honest with you. 0.87

01:22:30.000 That's where my memory gets fucked up. 0.97

01:22:31.000 I get high in here and I'm like, what was I fucking talking about, bro? 0.99

01:22:34.000 Exactly. 0.98

01:22:35.000 It's really strong weed. 1.00

01:22:37.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:22:37.000 That's like Joey Diaz weed. 1.00

01:22:39.000 No, I gotta love it.

01:22:40.000 Gotta love some weed.

01:22:41.000 Sometimes you gotta dumb yourself down just so...

01:22:44.000 Exactly.

01:22:45.000 And sometimes you gotta clear yourself up.

01:22:48.000 Right.

01:22:49.000 Yeah.

01:22:50.000 Best of both worlds.

01:22:51.000 Be the line.

01:22:53.000 Just have to have discipline.

01:22:55.000 Enjoy yourself, but have discipline.

01:22:57.000 It's easy to live comfortably.

01:23:02.000 Don't be mad.

01:23:05.000 I didn't have a lot growing up, but the best times were like, Just being on the move.

01:23:12.000 Doing stuff.

01:23:13.000 Hanging out.

01:23:15.000 So...

01:23:15.000 That's life, man.

01:23:17.000 I don't know.

01:23:22.000 Do you have a...

01:23:24.000 Really an idea at any point where you'd like to retire or you'd like to do something else?

01:23:31.000 Or are you just gonna just ride it till the wheels fall off?

01:23:33.000 Yeah.

01:23:34.000 Obviously.

01:23:34.000 I have no choice.

01:23:36.000 I have to, bro.

01:23:37.000 Please.

01:23:39.000 Please.

01:23:41.000 Pay my bills, and I'll fight.

01:23:44.000 Let's go.

01:23:45.000 And pay them good, too.

01:23:46.000 Pay better bills, big bills.

01:23:48.000 I got monthly, yearly expenses, but I'm making good money.

01:23:54.000 It's all right, and it's getting better.

01:23:55.000 So that'll come.

01:23:57.000 I'm down to fight, man.

01:23:58.000 I earned it after all these years of doing it.

01:24:02.000 Well, you definitely earned it, and you definitely earned a large fan base.

01:24:05.000 I mean, that's really what it's all about. 0.99

01:24:07.000 People know when they go to see Mike Perry fight, especially now after these bare-knuckle fights, They know they're gonna see some wild shit. 0.88

01:24:13.000 There's guys in the UFC that have been there much longer than me and don't have more fights than me. 0.89

01:24:21.000 I had 15 fights in 5 years.

01:24:24.000 All UFC fights.

01:24:25.000 Top guy.

01:24:26.000 Top 15 guys.

01:24:28.000 It was like a lesson.

01:24:30.000 It was like learning how to be a martial artist.

01:24:36.000 I've earned the right to compete against other great competitors in history for Spectacles and, you know, competition.

01:24:49.000 Try to beat these guys in rules that are written on paper, whatever the rules say.

01:24:54.000 I don't care whatever it is.

01:24:56.000 Let's fight, man.

01:24:57.000 There's great guys out there, too.

01:24:59.000 It's like the more bodies you get to work with, you pick up off of each one.

01:25:05.000 But it is a long road, and sometimes I'm like, all right.

01:25:11.000 That's where I say fighting is a choice where it's like...

01:25:14.000 Well, I could just beat you. 0.92

01:25:16.000 I'll just finish you right away.

01:25:19.000 And then I don't have to get in this long drag out fight.

01:25:21.000 I just take you out.

01:25:23.000 Quit.

01:25:24.000 And it's over.

01:25:25.000 So I can do that in competition and get paid for it.

01:25:29.000 And the rest of the time, really, I'm just...

01:25:32.000 You just, you know, work out.

01:25:35.000 Enjoy your workout.

01:25:36.000 And then...

01:25:38.000 I only fight for something that makes a difference now.

01:25:42.000 I can either beat you, and it benefits me, or there's no reason to fight.

01:25:50.000 There's no reason to train.

01:25:53.000 I know how to win.

01:25:56.000 It's like I don't need to add to my own attrition.

01:26:00.000 You know, some people like those young boxers who have 200 fights, some of them kids are out there.

01:26:07.000 They're not coming back.

01:26:09.000 Right.

01:26:10.000 You know, so I've always been fortunate to have battles and hard shots are being thrown, but I've been able to keep control of my mind enough, I guess, I need to be smarter, though.

01:26:25.000 I need to read more books, man.

01:26:27.000 I really gotta read...

01:26:28.000 I say read more books like I've ever read a book, like... 1.00

01:26:32.000 Shit. 0.99

01:26:33.000 I read like a Goosebumps book when I was 11 and that was it. 0.99

01:26:38.000 What about books on tape?

01:26:39.000 Have you ever listened to like your books on audio books? 0.99

01:26:43.000 Rich Dad Poor Dad I listened to like just two hours of that shit. 0.97

01:26:46.000 Audio books are a great way to do it because it's passive. 0.99

01:26:49.000 And podcasts, right?

01:26:51.000 Yeah.

01:26:51.000 You listen to people talk more.

01:26:53.000 Yeah, but you know podcasts, a lot of it's just, unless it's, I mean other people's kind of podcasts you can get informative stuff, but on mine a lot of it is just shooting the shit.

01:27:01.000 Whereas like a book on like an audio book you can you can get like almost every book ever Is on an audiobook except some weird excuse or like, you know Obscure ones, but like what percentage of books are available in audio?

01:27:19.000 I would like to know that Kind of most of them definitely got to get on that because like this is cool.

01:27:25.000 This is the Joe Rogan experience and It teaches it's teaching me that like, you know This is probably one of the longest conversations I've had with a human being And, you know, and you get to, and I get to pick your brain and stuff.

01:27:41.000 And, you know, I'm all about learning, man.

01:27:43.000 I guess I'm still so young.

01:27:44.000 I'm trying to figure it out.

01:27:45.000 I was thinking that a conversation is like a map.

01:27:49.000 And if you take the time, you know, the map...

01:27:55.000 That's why it's called spelling.

01:27:57.000 Because it's magic.

01:27:59.000 You draw on this map with your words.

01:28:03.000 The map leads to a path and treasure.

01:28:07.000 There's opportunities in life on your map.

01:28:11.000 Your words are what make things happen. 1.00

01:28:14.000 Business, sit down, shoot the shit. 1.00

01:28:17.000 Genius fucking talking on comedy stage. 1.00

01:28:22.000 Is that really the origin of the word spelling? 0.99

01:28:25.000 That's what Bruce Lee says.

01:28:27.000 I disagree with that, but it's something like that.

01:28:30.000 That's crazy!

01:28:32.000 Bruce Lee says...

01:28:33.000 That's crazy!

01:28:34.000 It's magic.

01:28:36.000 That's why it's called spelling.

01:28:38.000 It's a spell.

01:28:39.000 For real, what is the origin?

01:28:40.000 What does it say the origin of the word is?

01:28:43.000 That sounds insane.

01:28:46.000 Oh my god, imagine if we just figured something out.

01:28:51.000 Bruce Lee said that.

01:28:52.000 Well, so, the mid-15th century, the etymology of the word spell is the action of speaking of and utterance, and then the meaning is putting that into letters.

01:29:05.000 Wow.

01:29:06.000 I mean, back in the mid-15th century, when they're talking about spells, that's So back then, just when they said spelling, so the action of reading letter by letter from the noun spell...

01:29:23.000 But the noun spell, isn't that like, click on that, because would that be like how to spell things out, or was it like a magic spell?

01:29:32.000 Is there a different kind of spell?

01:29:33.000 That's where, I mean, the English word spell has to be developed from wherever it came from, you know, and that's where this is going to go get into.

01:29:43.000 It's a short form way to say he's right, I'm pretty sure.

01:29:47.000 So maybe when they say to cast a spell...

01:29:53.000 I have friends that say exactly what he was saying.

01:29:55.000 Like, be careful what you say out loud because you're casting a spell as soon as you say it.

01:29:59.000 I wonder how much that is real.

01:30:02.000 I feel like I've lost, you know, the path to fights.

01:30:07.000 And the fight is won.

01:30:10.000 It seems like it's won before you ever step foot in the ring.

01:30:13.000 And then, or, you know.

01:30:17.000 It's not going right.

01:30:18.000 Something ain't adding up.

01:30:20.000 I'm messing up somewhere just mentally.

01:30:23.000 And how to beat you in these rule sets.

01:30:29.000 And it comes out in the fight.

01:30:31.000 And I've had tough fights where I lost before the fight even started.

01:30:37.000 I'm like, it just seemed like I was supposed to lose.

01:30:40.000 It just seemed like I was supposed to win.

01:30:42.000 It was too easy when I won.

01:30:45.000 It's like...

01:30:49.000 Someone else is in control a lot of the times.

01:30:53.000 I try to make sure I'm the one in control, and that's how I've been thinking since having success in fights and new sport.

01:31:06.000 But...

01:31:08.000 Ultimately, I just feel like there's another driving force that kind of makes things happen, and I have no control over it, and it's either enjoyable or it's a lesson I have to get through.

01:31:23.000 Hmm.

01:31:25.000 So...

01:31:28.000 So you think that, like, everything that comes up, every hurdle that comes up is a lesson for you?

01:31:34.000 Is that how you approach it?

01:31:35.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:31:36.000 Right?

01:31:37.000 And, you know, I hope that those...

01:31:41.000 I don't need to have training for a lesson where someone attacks us in public.

01:31:47.000 I don't, you know...

01:31:48.000 I don't have any experience in that.

01:31:50.000 I have three bare knuckle boxing fights.

01:31:52.000 I don't have any experience in being attacked on the street and I don't want any.

01:31:57.000 It's a weird thing.

01:31:59.000 People have weird attachments to fate.

01:32:05.000 The idea that you have a fate.

01:32:08.000 But I wonder why people resist that.

01:32:12.000 I wonder why people think that's not real.

01:32:14.000 I wonder why.

01:32:16.000 Because in some ways... 0.98

01:32:19.000 Even if it was real, how the fuck would you know? 0.97

01:32:21.000 How would you know? 0.98

01:32:22.000 You'd have no idea.

01:32:23.000 But in some ways it seems like it behaves like it's real.

01:32:27.000 At least in some way.

01:32:29.000 Like that there is kind of a way that it's all moving together.

01:32:34.000 Do you feel like you've ever died before and then woke up and you were a different person?

01:32:38.000 But you're the same person, but I mean, you've been growing for years.

01:32:42.000 Here's the thing, you never know, because you go to sleep every night.

01:32:46.000 You used to look like a different human when you've been in...

01:32:51.000 You've been so young for so many years.

01:32:54.000 Man.

01:32:55.000 With hair, you look like a different guy.

01:32:58.000 Yeah, I did.

01:32:59.000 I'm 55 years old.

01:33:00.000 When I was a kid, 55, I was like, that's dead people.

01:33:03.000 Those people are dead.

01:33:05.000 55, they're done, man.

01:33:06.000 It's over.

01:33:07.000 And nowadays, 55, it's like you're a kid.

01:33:11.000 You're just reaching the best parts of life.

01:33:14.000 It's retirement stuff or like...

01:33:17.000 I don't know, you've always had success, so...

01:33:19.000 The most important thing is just to be healthy.

01:33:22.000 Right.

01:33:23.000 That's the most important thing.

01:33:24.000 That's where I'm lucky.

01:33:25.000 I get to exercise.

01:33:27.000 Yes.

01:33:28.000 Yes.

01:33:28.000 I get to.

01:33:29.000 Otherwise, if fighting was not my job, I ain't doing shit. 0.97

01:33:34.000 Really? 0.96

01:33:35.000 Don't you think you get the edge?

01:33:36.000 Hell yeah, man.

01:33:37.000 I like laying down and not doing nothing.

01:33:39.000 I'm just like my dad back in the day.

01:33:41.000 I just want to sit on the couch and...

01:33:43.000 Eat some M&Ms or something.

01:33:46.000 I don't know.

01:33:48.000 I need it sometimes, though.

01:33:50.000 My brain needs it.

01:33:51.000 You need something.

01:33:52.000 Well, it seems like you recognize balance, which is why you've kind of relaxed after your last fight, which I think is important.

01:33:59.000 I think you're right about that.

01:34:01.000 It's probably good to let things heal, but I really do hope you get that neck looked at.

01:34:04.000 I'll connect you with Waste to Well before we leave.

01:34:07.000 Thanks.

01:34:08.000 I mean, I get massaged...

01:34:09.000 Oh my gosh, I got one Friday.

01:34:11.000 I had...

01:34:11.000 I was...

01:34:12.000 You know, Connor's always got the cupping.

01:34:14.000 He's always got the cupping marks.

01:34:16.000 And I was supposed to have a cupping appointment the other day, and it's like, she just...

01:34:22.000 Did like four and moved them a couple times and mostly massaged. 1.00

01:34:29.000 I was like, man, I want you to put a fucking cup and suck that shit out. 1.00

01:34:35.000 Yeah, all over. 1.00

01:34:36.000 My arms, my back, chest, neck, balls, everything. 0.60

01:34:42.000 That's what's up. 0.65

01:34:42.000 Yeah. 0.65

01:34:45.000 For real, man.

01:34:46.000 That's real pleasure.

01:34:47.000 I enjoy that. 1.00

01:34:49.000 Go ahead, suck that pain out of my neck, man. 0.99

01:34:51.000 I've only had that done once, the cupping thing. 0.99

01:34:54.000 Maybe twice.

01:34:55.000 Really?

01:34:55.000 Yeah.

01:34:56.000 I thought you dealt with stuff like...

01:34:58.000 No, I do.

01:34:59.000 Get a lot of deep tissue.

01:35:00.000 Into martial arts. 0.99

01:35:01.000 Yeah, but the cupping thing I never really fucked with. 0.97

01:35:04.000 Like two times I think I did it. 0.84

01:35:07.000 But a lot of people swear by it.

01:35:09.000 Do you swear by it?

01:35:11.000 Does it work for you?

01:35:12.000 I've gotten it a few times.

01:35:13.000 Oh, Jesus!

01:35:14.000 Look at that guy's back.

01:35:15.000 That's insane.

01:35:16.000 That's insane.

01:35:18.000 That looks so crazy.

01:35:19.000 It's saying it's a baseball player, Bryce Harper, but it looks like it probably is. 0.99

01:35:23.000 That looks so fucking crazy. 0.99

01:35:26.000 That looks like spores are growing out of his back. 0.98

01:35:31.000 Like they're contained to keep them from exploding and spraying spores into the air if they have a glass seal over them.

01:35:37.000 Acupuncture hurts?

01:35:40.000 I don't like it sometimes.

01:35:43.000 I mean, massages have messed me up too. 0.97

01:35:46.000 You get your thumb in there and then something pops and you're like, oh shit, alright.

01:35:52.000 And acupuncture, at the UFC they used to attach that thing and put the little electric cord on it. 0.97

01:35:58.000 Like a tattoo gun that stabs you.

01:36:01.000 I don't know, it's not going in and out, it's just shocking you. 0.53

01:36:05.000 I don't like that.

01:36:06.000 It hurts later. 0.99

01:36:09.000 The little thin needle don't do much but then later you're like, damn. 0.96

01:36:14.000 Did you get relief with it, though, of whatever the injury was? 0.98

01:36:17.000 No.

01:36:18.000 It didn't help?

01:36:19.000 It did at the moment.

01:36:21.000 It's like you get adrenaline in that area because you're being stabbed and electrocuted in a very small, pinchy way.

01:36:31.000 Yeah, like a cunty way.

01:36:33.000 It's like, ah!

01:36:34.000 And later, it's so sore from getting...

01:36:37.000 You like acupuncture?

01:36:39.000 No.

01:36:39.000 I've only done it a few times.

01:36:42.000 And I don't dislike it.

01:36:46.000 I think it works for some people.

01:36:48.000 At least they say it works for them.

01:36:49.000 Maybe there's a placebo effect.

01:36:51.000 Some people swear by it.

01:36:53.000 They might be right.

01:36:54.000 I didn't have good experience with it.

01:36:56.000 But it might have been...

01:36:57.000 I only did it with one guy.

01:36:59.000 I mean, maybe some people are better at it.

01:37:01.000 But deep tissue massage has always helped.

01:37:03.000 That helps a lot.

01:37:05.000 I could sit there for six hours and let...

01:37:07.000 Yeah, I think that's really important.

01:37:10.000 When you get knotted up, that's why I worry about your neck.

01:37:15.000 There might be something chronic in there.

01:37:16.000 But I feel like it always does this.

01:37:18.000 It comes back and you have to PT it and you work.

01:37:21.000 But the stem cell is definitely a part of that for some people.

01:37:25.000 Do you ever use an iron neck?

01:37:28.000 Like a workout machine?

01:37:29.000 No, it's not like a...

01:37:30.000 it's a halo that you put on your head.

01:37:32.000 You ever heard of it?

01:37:33.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:37:34.000 And it has a bungee...

01:37:36.000 And you, like, turn.

01:37:36.000 Yeah.

01:37:37.000 It really helps rehab next, too.

01:37:38.000 And it's free-floating.

01:37:40.000 Yes.

01:37:40.000 And you control the resistance in how much effort you want to put going side to side.

01:37:45.000 So you're not putting pressure on the discs because you're not bending like this, which some people think could, if you do it wrong, could fuck you up.

01:37:53.000 But this is different because your neck is always straight up and down and you're strengthening all the muscles while working on your range of motion with this halo.

01:38:02.000 I'll get you one.

01:38:02.000 I think we have them here.

01:38:03.000 Don't we have them here?

01:38:04.000 We still have a couple.

01:38:08.000 Yeah, I'll get you one.

01:38:09.000 You'll like it.

01:38:10.000 That'd be cool, man.

01:38:10.000 It's great.

01:38:11.000 And maybe that will help you too.

01:38:12.000 Because I know a lot of people that have had neck problems and they do it slowly and it strengthens the muscles around that area.

01:38:18.000 Maybe because of the resistance, it creates a little bit more range of motion.

01:38:22.000 Yeah, that's why I need something.

01:38:24.000 Do you ever do yoga or anything like that to stretch out?

01:38:28.000 I used to, man.

01:38:29.000 I used to do P90X back in the day.

01:38:32.000 Oh, okay.

01:38:33.000 Back in the day.

01:38:36.000 Yoga is...

01:38:37.000 I don't know, with the boxing, I like to be tight sometimes, right?

01:38:41.000 Like, before a fight, I wouldn't want to be having to get massaged up.

01:38:46.000 You like to be tight.

01:38:47.000 I like to earn that tension in the gym.

01:38:50.000 I work on it, but...

01:38:52.000 I feel like I earned the pain, and then...

01:38:55.000 Interesting.

01:38:56.000 Yeah.

01:38:57.000 And then, I don't know, I just...

01:38:59.000 I've worked through it, though.

01:39:00.000 That's what I'm supposed to do.

01:39:04.000 Yeah, your mentality is very unique.

01:39:07.000 That's interesting.

01:39:08.000 I have no choice, bro.

01:39:10.000 But what if it helped you perform better if you got it massaged out?

01:39:17.000 You could be too loose.

01:39:18.000 If you're too loose, you're not as fast.

01:39:21.000 Really?

01:39:22.000 Yeah.

01:39:23.000 That's what I believe.

01:39:26.000 But there's a lot of very fast, flexible people.

01:39:27.000 I know some boxers, some coaches are like...

01:39:32.000 I don't know.

01:39:33.000 A good boxing coach, before their fighter boxes, they're hitting them on the neck with stuff or little hits. 0.87

01:39:41.000 Some do a rub right before, which is weird to me. 0.97

01:39:46.000 I would honestly be like, don't fucking touch me before we go out there and work.

01:39:51.000 When I have a fight, an event, I have to create this aura, a force field that pushes people. 0.98

01:39:59.000 You know, my way through things.

01:40:03.000 Like, when me and Conor McGregor faced off, he was moving all over the place, and I stood my ground.

01:40:11.000 I stood so still.

01:40:15.000 I stood still, and I couldn't be, you know, wavered or moved.

01:40:22.000 He was moving all over the place.

01:40:25.000 I mean, that says that he was free in that moment to do so, obviously.

01:40:31.000 But it was me respectfully calling him out, which shows the The professional in martial arts that I have been for so many years, how do you call a man out in a sport that, you know, he has a family and, you know, you guys want to hurt each other and they can honor it in a fair way and promote it to be entertaining. 0.99

01:40:55.000 I mean, everything he does, people watch that shit. 0.99

01:40:58.000 So it was great to have him there. 1.00

01:40:59.000 It really boosted the moment for me.

01:41:03.000 Listen, if he decided to do that...

01:41:05.000 If somehow or another they gave him the green light to do that, I can't imagine how that could ever happen.

01:41:11.000 But if it did... 0.98

01:41:14.000 If that happened in a bare knuckle fight, that would be fucking bananas. 0.99

01:41:20.000 That would be bananas. 0.99

01:41:22.000 He's a good kicker too. 0.99

01:41:23.000 He kicked Cowboy Cerrone in the head who fucking yanked my arm. 0.98

01:41:27.000 Yeah, he's a very good kicker. 0.99

01:41:28.000 He's a very good kicker.

01:41:30.000 He could do everything.

01:41:31.000 But, I mean, if somehow or another he agreed to fight bare knuckle, I mean, Jesus Christ, you know how big that would be?

01:41:40.000 My lord, Mike.

01:41:43.000 You versus him.

01:41:45.000 He practices it.

01:41:47.000 Yeah, he beat a guy who got me.

01:41:50.000 It's a great fight, man.

01:41:52.000 That would be wild.

01:41:53.000 It would be cool, man.

01:41:54.000 They say it's the pink panty night now because I released a video on Instagram of me eating my girlfriend's panties.

01:42:02.000 If they did that in Bare Knuckle, it would get a million pay-per-view buys, at least.

01:42:10.000 With Conor?

01:42:11.000 Probably more.

01:42:12.000 Two?

01:42:13.000 Three?

01:42:13.000 Yeah, probably two.

01:42:14.000 No, I don't.

01:42:14.000 I don't have enough fans.

01:42:16.000 I don't know how many he sell.

01:42:18.000 What was he saying to you?

01:42:21.000 Fair play to you, man.

01:42:24.000 Respect you.

01:42:24.000 I love the way he talks.

01:42:25.000 I love the way he talks.

01:42:26.000 I fight you, no problem.

01:42:27.000 I fight you, no problem, eh?

01:42:29.000 That's okay.

01:42:30.000 I just it's just it just happened man before that fight for that camp and Oh, wow.

01:42:42.000 So your friend who died, he died just from a sparring match?

01:42:46.000 Just a sparring incident?

01:42:48.000 Yeah, man.

01:42:53.000 Terrible.

01:42:54.000 And he was...

01:42:55.000 Everyone knew him.

01:42:56.000 He was so tough.

01:42:57.000 Such a tough guy.

01:42:58.000 It's an unpredictable thing.

01:42:59.000 Those kind of injuries are an unpredictable thing.

01:43:02.000 So...

01:43:02.000 You know?

01:43:03.000 Yeah.

01:43:04.000 It's tough, man. 0.97

01:43:05.000 It's fucking even more to fight for, though, man. 0.97

01:43:08.000 That's why... 0.98

01:43:11.000 I used to say it back in the day.

01:43:13.000 It was one of my call outs in the UFC. Who's life you want me to ruin next?

01:43:19.000 Fuck yeah, dude. 1.00

01:43:21.000 Somebody's life got fucked up, man. 1.00

01:43:23.000 It's you or it's me. 1.00

01:43:25.000 Let's go.

01:43:27.000 I'll figure it out.

01:43:28.000 Give me some money.

01:43:29.000 Give me some more.

01:43:29.000 I need cooler things.

01:43:32.000 I flew private. 0.98

01:43:34.000 These Ken Pie Pandas fucking flew me out private and put me up in a car in a nice beach house. 1.00

01:43:43.000 I took the family to vacay. 0.99

01:43:45.000 It was beautiful in Destin, Florida.

01:43:48.000 I'd never been up there in that little panhandle of the peninsula or the Florida, Gulf of Mexico.

01:43:57.000 That's what it is.

01:43:59.000 That water is so sketchy though, man. 0.99

01:44:01.000 I don't fuck with the ocean like that. 0.99

01:44:03.000 It's sketchy. 1.00

01:44:05.000 Did you see that video of that Russian dude getting eaten by a shark? 1.00

01:44:08.000 Fucking... 1.00

01:44:10.000 That's gotta suck, bro. 1.00

01:44:11.000 That's gotta suck. 0.99

01:44:13.000 I kinda... 0.99

01:44:13.000 That's gotta suck. 0.99

01:44:14.000 That's a rough way to go, son. 1.00

01:44:16.000 You can't see that motherfucker, like... 1.00

01:44:18.000 You can't see him, you can't get away. 1.00

01:44:19.000 Gotta get ahold of him.

01:44:21.000 You're in their world, they can move fast. 1.00

01:44:22.000 Yeah, they fucking... 1.00

01:44:23.000 And they got knives in their mouth. 1.00

01:44:26.000 A giant thing.

01:44:27.000 Rob Dyrdek went down there and...

01:44:30.000 Rob Dyrdek did it.

01:44:31.000 Yeah.

01:44:32.000 He went down with the chain mail and let a shark bite him. 1.00

01:44:35.000 Oh, he's so crazy. 1.00

01:44:37.000 That is so crazy. 0.99

01:44:37.000 It's just a bite force. 0.99

01:44:39.000 Bro, just scuba diving.

01:44:41.000 Right. 1.00

01:44:41.000 Just going underwater, breathing in a fucking hole. 1.00

01:44:45.000 It's so hard. 1.00

01:44:46.000 I did it in Hawaii. 0.98

01:44:47.000 I almost fucking passed out. 0.97

01:44:50.000 My friend Duncan was staying at this resort in Maui, and right where he was staying, a lady got snatched offshore. 0.99

01:45:00.000 Snatched?

01:45:01.000 By a shark.

01:45:02.000 Was it a lady or a guy? 0.99

01:45:05.000 It was recently in Maui, like, real close to the beach.

01:45:07.000 But, like, Duncan was there.

01:45:09.000 I think he was there a week later. 1.00

01:45:12.000 Like, fuck that. 1.00

01:45:15.000 There's sharks out there killing people? 1.00

01:45:18.000 And you're just going to go swimming because the water's warm? 1.00

01:45:20.000 Are you out of your fucking mind? 1.00

01:45:22.000 Male swing 60 yards. 1.00

01:45:23.000 No, the water was beautiful and destined.

01:45:26.000 And it's like, I would jump in and then go back to the sand.

01:45:30.000 Oh, the woman was the one where a man was swimming with his wife.

01:45:35.000 Oh, I actually found one.

01:45:36.000 This is actually more recent.

01:45:37.000 This Russian couple doing ice baths in the winter in Russia.

01:45:43.000 And they dug a hole in the ice. 1.00

01:45:46.000 And the wife jumps in the fucking hole. 1.00

01:45:49.000 And the current took her under the fucking ice. 1.00

01:45:51.000 And she died. 1.00

01:45:52.000 She's gone.

01:45:53.000 They lost her.

01:45:54.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

01:45:56.000 It's fucking Russian people. 1.00

01:45:57.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:45:58.000 They didn't know that it was a raging river? 1.00

01:46:00.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:46:01.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:46:02.000 Could you fucking imagine the horror? 0.99

01:46:06.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:46:08.000 Can you imagine cutting a hole in a river and not realizing what you've done when you jump in and you can never swim up river?

01:46:15.000 It's not a video.

01:46:16.000 It's just a picture.

01:46:16.000 No, no.

01:46:16.000 Don't show me.

01:46:17.000 Don't show me.

01:46:18.000 This is so crazy.

01:46:19.000 It happened in front of her family, too.

01:46:20.000 Oh, Jesus Christ, people.

01:46:23.000 It's crazy.

01:46:24.000 It's terrible, man. 1.00

01:46:26.000 But maybe, you know, people live on in life through their experiences and, you know, it's like we're all connected in the fucking stars and shit. 1.00

01:46:42.000 It happened. 0.99

01:46:43.000 For sure.

01:46:44.000 Everything you experience is now a part of human life.

01:46:47.000 She went down instantly?

01:46:48.000 Instant.

01:46:49.000 And then the guy goes in right after, which I don't know how he made it up. 0.99

01:46:51.000 Oh, God damn it. 0.99

01:46:52.000 We all are. 0.99

01:46:53.000 Have you ever been to Japan?

01:46:55.000 Yes.

01:46:55.000 Isn't that cool?

01:46:56.000 Yeah.

01:46:57.000 It was very interesting.

01:46:58.000 I was there very briefly because it was just for a UFC. But it was interesting.

01:47:03.000 It was beautiful.

01:47:04.000 Did you have some Wagyu?

01:47:06.000 No.

01:47:06.000 We had some sushi, though.

01:47:08.000 Mm.

01:47:08.000 Yeah.

01:47:09.000 Mm.

01:47:10.000 Nigiri? 1.00

01:47:12.000 I see you be eating that with a private chef or whatever.

01:47:15.000 Yeah, I like...

01:47:16.000 I'm more into sashimi these days.

01:47:19.000 I'm trying not to eat too much rice.

01:47:21.000 I've been on a carnivore diet.

01:47:24.000 Yeah, I like a little bit of rice sometimes.

01:47:26.000 Me too.

01:47:27.000 I do too.

01:47:27.000 You mostly keto?

01:47:29.000 Yeah, right now.

01:47:30.000 I'm just trying this out.

01:47:31.000 I'm trying this out for a few months, seeing how I like it.

01:47:34.000 So far, I like it.

01:47:35.000 That's good.

01:47:37.000 I cheated a little bit.

01:47:38.000 I had an acai bowl the other day.

01:47:40.000 Oh.

01:47:41.000 That's nice.

01:47:42.000 You gotta get over the hump with it.

01:47:44.000 Nah.

01:47:44.000 Sometimes I just feel like trying to...

01:47:46.000 I don't want to be strict with myself, you know, seven days a week. 0.99

01:47:50.000 One day a week if I feel like eating something stupid. 0.98

01:47:52.000 I want some ice cream. 1.00

01:47:53.000 You see the shit The Rock eats? 1.00

01:47:55.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:47:55.000 He goes ham. 1.00

01:47:56.000 He goes...

01:47:57.000 He's like, cheat meal Sunday.

01:47:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:47:59.000 Fucking... 1.00

01:47:59.000 Peanut butter and pancakes and Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:48:01.000 And a glass of tequila.

01:48:03.000 He goes in, man.

01:48:05.000 Well, if you're going to do it one day a week, that's the way to do it.

01:48:08.000 Obviously, it works.

01:48:10.000 Listen, Mike Perry, I'm honored to be a part of the longest conversation you've ever had with a human.

01:48:15.000 Thanks, dude.

01:48:16.000 I appreciate you.

01:48:18.000 I appreciate your fighting style and your fighting spirit, man.

01:48:21.000 You're a fun dude to watch.

01:48:22.000 I'm a fan.

01:48:23.000 I'm a fan.

01:48:24.000 Thank you, man.

01:48:24.000 I hope I can entertain the world.

01:48:26.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:48:27.000 All right. 1.00

01:48:28.000 Thank you, Mike.

01:48:28.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 25, 2011

JRE MMA Show #141 with Mike Perry

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