JRE MMA Show #142 with Matt Serra, Din Thomas & John Rallo
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3 hours and 15 minutes
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201.73778
Summary
On this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, I sit down with my good friend John Rocha. We talk about growing up together in the early days of jiu-jitsu, growing up in the streets of Long Island, and growing up on the road in the late 80's and early 90's. We also talk about his early days as a jiu jitsu coach and how he went on to become one of the most successful martial artists of all time. I hope you enjoy this episode, it was a blast and I can't wait for you to listen to it again! -Joe Rogan Subscribe, Like, and Share to stay up to date with what's going on in the world of MMA and all things going on around it. -Jon Sorrentino UFC Fighter of the Decade: UFC 246 - UFC Fight Night: The Rise of BJ Penn - UFC 241 - UFC 246: Pride vs. The Ultimate Fighting Championship - UFC 244: The Ultimate Fighter: The Last Chance to Win $100,000,000 - UFC 238: UFC 241: The Fight of the Century - UFC 243: The Return of the Night, UFC 246, UFC 241, UFC 244, UFC 257, UFC 255, UFC Fight Day 2, UFC 260, UFC 265, UFC 281, UFC 313, UFC 365, UFC 314, UFC 311, UFC 315, UFC 337, UFC 333, UFC 330, UFC 358, UFC 4, UFC 39, UFC 405, UFC 356, UFC Card, UFC 413, UFC 401, UFC 490, UFC 450, UFC 45, UFC 5, UFC 48, UFC 6, UFC 47, UFC 49, UFC 50, UFC 7, UFC 57, UFC 56, UFC 8, UFC 58, UFC Championship Night, and UFC Championship Day, UFC 1, UFC 9, UFC 68, UFC Stadium, UFC City Hall, UFC 162, UFC Hall of Fame, UFC Night of Honor, and more! -Jon Rogan and Jon Rogan sit down and talk about the life of a young man who has been through it all! - Jon talks about what it's like to grow up in Queens, Queens, New York, NY, and what it s like to be a black belt in jiu Jitsu, UFC, and all the rest of his life in the process of becoming a professional jiujitsu and what he s been up to in the business. Joe talks about how he s doing it all.
Transcript
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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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What a beautiful moment to get you guys together in a room.
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2001. I remember you were sleeping in your dojo.
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He had a bucket, like a thing you were pissing.
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Because he drank so much water, so he had his jug next to his bed.
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I lived in my first storefront academy in East Meadow, my hometown, and Joe and Eddie Bravo were in town for some reason.
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Yeah, I was doing a gig, and you came and picked us up.
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Yeah, we took the train, and he picked us up at the train station, took us to his academy.
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Yeah, the Hicksville train station, and it was literally, not to make everybody feel old, It was 21 years ago.
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Because I was gonna fight BJ Penn at Mohegan Sun.
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And you came, you trained at my place, and I showed you the basement.
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I'll never forget what you said to me down there.
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And I think I said it the last time I was here.
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And you looked at it, you go, dude, you live like a fucking Spartan.
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I mean, and I think that's what you have to do to be elite at MMA when you're starting out, especially back then.
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Yeah, but I mean, I've also lived that life, too.
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Back in 2001, I mean, I fought BJ in 2001. So, I mean, I know what it's like to live in the car.
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I'll be on the road so much, man, that sometimes I don't even know where I'm going.
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I'll be on the road so much, I'm like, God damn.
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I remember talking to you and you said, man, I work a lot because I know what it's like to be poor.
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I don't think about money, but the way to not think about money is to make enough so you don't have to think about it.
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And I met you around the same time because I met you and Eddie as well through jujitsu.
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You guys were on the underground back in the day.
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And we were trying to find a place to watch the fights.
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Was it Pride or was it the UFC? It was UFC. He actually fought...
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Because I remember you saying, because we both thought he beat BJ, even though you didn't get the decision.
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You were at the Improv, I believe, in Baltimore at the time.
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And then we hit ESPN Zone for dinner, and I was friends with you guys ever since.
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Yeah, Raul and I have had some fun on the road, man.
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It's just like those friendships that you make in the early days, they're kind of special.
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Because we were there when the UFC in 2001 was a different thing, man.
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Personally, I always felt like it was going to be over any second.
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I'll take this next fight at this price because this is going to be fucking down.
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And I'll tell my kids that one time I fought in a cage.
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It's going to be this sport where we fought in a cage.
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It looked like the end was coming at any moment.
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Before that, the fight with Forrest Griffin and Stefan Bonner.
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Eddie Bravo and I used to have this conversation.
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We would be like, because I met Eddie in like 1998. I met him at...
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I think I either met him at John Jocks, but I saw him at John Jocks.
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Ricky Rocket from Poison is a legit black belt under John Jock Machado.
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So anyway, Eddie was there with him as a spectator.
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1998. And we would say, you know what this sport needs?
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Some crazy billionaires to just invest all this money in it.
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Because we know how exciting it is, but the world didn't know.
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This is, you know, this is 98. This is like Dan Henderson's first fight.
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A lot of people forgot how good that fucking dude was.
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He's on the commission, the committee that the ABC commission has for fighters.
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When we're on the road with Dana doing the show, I go, I've got survivor's guilt.
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There's a lot of guys now that the sport's like 30 years old.
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There's casualties in the game now, whether it's their health, whether they get done with the sport.
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I mean, Phil Barone's in a Mexican prison right now.
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There's some people making very bad choices, but I don't know, man.
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It's upsetting to me when I see people all fucked up and we're sitting there hanging out having a good time.
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It's hard when people forget, too, about the early days were not that popular, so they forget about some spectacular performances.
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When Carlos Newton tapped out Pat Miletic with the Bulldog show, remember that was the first time?
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See, if you can find the photo of Carlos Newton...
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There's like another one, two of it, like more from the back.
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He was one of the very best grapplers in the early days of the UFC. He pulled off some wild shit.
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It's funny looking at all these pitches and everything, you know, pre-USADA. Oh, yeah.
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Listen, and by the way, this is me at 49 on TRT, okay?
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So I remember, like, I liked some guys back then, but fuck, man, like Randy Cattrall, the natural.
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It's different when you look at the Pride guys, because they were almost encouraging that shit.
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One of Andy's guys went over there, they literally told him to gain weight.
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They wanted that whole freak show and watching the biggest guys kill each other.
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I know I fought BJ. I believe him when he says he was natural.
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But I wonder how many dudes I fought that were actually on something.
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And also there's no change in his physique ever.
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BJ was all about whether or not BJ was fully dedicated.
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To me, I still believe he's the greatest lightweight of all time.
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I think you can make a real good argument that the prime BJ, when he beat Diego Sanchez, I would put that up against anybody ever.
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I mean, I don't think we really can appreciate how much of a motherfucker he is until after he's long gone, you go by him.
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He put that thousand-yard stare in Edson Barboza early in that fight.
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It seemed that way, but B.J. was on a different level.
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I heard he could put his legs behind his head without using his hands.
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He was telling me all these crazy things he does with bands.
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Isn't it wild that even the most flexible motherfuckers, if you get them in the crucifix, it doesn't matter if they can suck their own dick, they're still getting fucked up.
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Like, when you get a guy, when you get a guy, DJ Penn, when you ever see DJ Penn We're jumping out of pools and shit.
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He should have used his legs to fucking block the fucking...
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I get gi or no gi, I go for that all the time training.
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I know I can't hit them, but there's a lot of ways you could transition into Komoris, arm locks, different things.
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But it's such a good thing to get used to, because they can't do dick.
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I don't know how great his jiu-jitsu is, but I mean, look, he gets guys in the crucifix.
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There was one guy at John Jocks who specialized in the crucifix, and I was always terrified of this dude, because it's such a terrible place to be.
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And you get punched in the face and you're like trying to block with that one little hand.
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When I was getting ready to fight Matt Hughes, I was having people start me from there...
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And that's why the only fight I ever in my career I had to pull out of was our first time I was supposed to meet Matt Hughes.
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And that literally broke my heart because I was talking such shit.
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I only talk shit knowing that I'm going to meet this guy in a cage.
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So Ivy's calling the guy, you know, every other day I'm calling the guy a dick.
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And part of the reason why I had to pull out of the fight is because I was getting older at the time, and I was still training like a younger guy.
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So I was starting in the crucifix with my buddy Craig, who was like a fucking big, strong motherfucker.
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After five minutes, I would do duck under, suplex, duck under.
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And dude, I fucking blew my back out just showing something.
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Yeah, because I was training so physical and not as smart.
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I will never go to a motherfucking chiropractor again.
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He took out this Tonka toy thing, and he goes, you see, your spine is, you gotta, and I go, dude, I don't know what you're doing.
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He goes, everybody thinks they have a herniated disc, because meanwhile, I'm sitting, I'm thinking about it, I'm sitting the way I was sitting.
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He goes, everybody thinks it's a herniation, but a lot of times it's yada yada.
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He put me on a thing, he put me upside down on one of those, what do you call it?
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And then he was with someone else, and then I'm with my wife, and then he goes, okay, almost like I'm a fucking turkey.
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I guess everything was coming back down on my stuff when he turned me back over.
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I was fucking screaming like something was sticking in me.
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Do you know how much time they spend in medical school?
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Pull up the article, chiropractors are bullshit.
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Joe, I have chiropractors at home that know I know you, and they're like, Hey man, why is he beating up on a chiropractor?
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I'm not disputing that people get relief from being manipulated.
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Because I think there's something to the deep tissue aspect of it.
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There's probably something even to being out of alignment in certain conditions.
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You know, and a lot of that could be because of little injuries, and things are tight, and that's why deep tissue massage and rolfing is very effective.
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But the origins of the medical art, it came from a guy who was a magnetic healer, who came up with this idea he's gonna cure all illnesses by manipulating your spine.
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And the speculation is he was murdered by his son, who was a con man, and his son then fucking takes it everywhere.
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Because it's like, when you read it, you're like, what?
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So, you know, I always thought it was a doctor.
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It's this thing that, like, you may find relief from.
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And I think there's guys out there that are really good at, like, they use other stuff with different techniques with it.
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Palmer held seances to contact a dead physician named Jen Atkinson.
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He said that those seances helped him develop chiropractic, as he wrote in his 1914 book, The Chiropractor, the knowledge and philosophy given me by Dr. Jim Atkinson, an intelligent spiritual being, together with explanations of pneumonia, phenomena, principles resolved from causes, effects, powers, laws, and utility appealed to my reason.
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The method by which I obtained an explanation of certain physical phenomena From an intelligence in the spiritual world is known in biblical language as inspiration.
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In a great measure, the chiropractor's adjuster was written under such spiritual promptings.
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And then the idea behind it, though, is that you could fix all these different problems that people have by adjusting them.
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They thought they could see what it said that they thought they could do with it because it's kind of nutty when you read like the stuff that he was saying he could fix Man, I just think it feels good.
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Like when you crack your knuckles, it feels good.
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I think also getting pushed on and rubbed and adjusted, it's good for you.
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It's like when I get deep tissue massages, these motherfuckers, they dig in there with their elbows and they're kind of cracking shit and moving.
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There's a lot of tension and you can alleviate that.
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I'm not saying that being adjusted or any of these things these people do doesn't offer people help.
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But at the end of the day, where did that come from?
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If you want to call it physical maintenance, you're literally attaching something that actually works to something that's really crazy.
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It's a similar thing if you have a really good deep tissue massager because it's like a disrespectful thing to a medical professional.
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Right, and it makes you question the credibility of everything that they're doing.
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It's like, but you gotta admit what it actually is, and maybe you should probably take a look at the origins of it.
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They didn't do dick for me, but I went to, uh...
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Yeah, man, I had a bulging disc in my fucking neck and I went to a guy for a year who was like telling me, no, it's just, you know, this is a muscle injury and he's like, he pushed down on my head and he was saying, does it hurt when I do that?
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And he gave me an MRI, and it's like, yeah, you've got a bulging disc.
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That's that shit that Dana went to Germany to go get her.
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Peyton Manning went, Kobe Bryant went over there.
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It's like a PRP thing, but they add a bunch of stuff to it, and that fixed it in two weeks.
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Yo, what about that fucking Final Destination Dana?
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What the fuck did he do when he got that fucking test when he's like, oh, I'm gonna die!
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What test was that that he took when he goes, oh, yeah, he told me about this guy.
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Somebody said that he's gonna fucking, oh, yeah, he...
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He said if he kept going the way he was going, he could probably die in 10 years.
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But I believe that because Dana was just like, he doesn't sleep.
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I could call Dana and have a two-hour conversation with him at two in the morning.
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It's in my contract that if he leaves, I leave.
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I'm like, I don't want to do this for anybody else.
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He obviously loves it because he does not have to do it.
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You call him at any given time and say, Jan Bojovic, Alex Pajada, holy shit.
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And we're going, oh my God, what the fuck is that going to be like?
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If it's on the feet, I still think, you know, Haydo gets him, but on the ground, I don't see how he can get up.
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Like, he's the only guy that I ever see that consistently does that.
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We saw how bad Alex looked on the ground against Izzy who looked almost as bad.
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But you could say that he never anticipated that from Izzy and he anticipated a straight up kickboxing match because that's most of Izzy's fights.
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He could have said he made a mistake in that regard.
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I mean, but there's just certain natural movements that you do if you are competent on the ground, like your legs are, you know, your body's round and you're using your legs.
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I mean, he was pretty, like, he was like a board.
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But, you know what, if a guy can get that good at stand-up, he's so fucking good.
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He's the sneakiest calf kicker in the history of calf kicks.
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His shit is so high level and you don't realize it.
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He's got this way of lifting that front leg and then no hip switch at all.
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Can I just say I'm glad I'm out of the game before they fucking put in these damn calf kicks?
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I'll tell you what, my last fight in the UFC, I fought Josh Near.
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I thought, you know, he was just trying to kick my leg.
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Josh Nier is another bad motherfucker that people forgot.
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Man, there's a lot of guys that people gotta throw their name in the old UFC Fight Pass because like guys like Chris Lytle, they should get home.
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When he knocked out Josh Thompson, I was saying that Eve Edwards is the best 155-pounder alive, but there wasn't a UFC Championship back then.
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I was there when he knocked out Masvidal, too, because I had a guy on that.
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September 28th, UFC 33. That's when me and you...
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He was just grabbing guy's arms and just throwing his legs around.
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I remember he had those corn rolls at the time.
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We both had our initial fights in the UFC. We both had hype and we both fucked that up.
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I was just having a conversation with the people about the Gracie documentary and we were talking about right after September 11th when Tito fought Matt Yushchenko.
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Yeah, that was before I worked for the UFC again.
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This was when they had their first big event in the UFC in Vegas.
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I became friends with Dana through that, and that's how I started doing commentary.
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Because I thought I was the first fighter of the night that night.
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I don't know if you're gonna remember this, but it's fitting since I gave you a new t-shirt.
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How we first started getting the talk It was after I beat Kelly Delonte, it was on a prelim, right?
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And it was on a prelim, but they showed it right before the main event, so it got a lot of views.
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And then they interviewed you, and you weren't doing the commentary yet, but you did say, you know, it was something along the lines of, you know, people think the ground is boring, you need more stuff like, you know, he gave me a nice shout-out, that jungle jiu-jitsu that Matt Serra did.
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And I was like, oh man, this is fucking fantastic.
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So there's a girl, this girl, Paula, that I was friends with, she's like, yo, you should send them a shirt for that or something.
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So Paula, thank you Paula, she sent the t-shirt to Joe and you ended up calling the Academy.
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I swear, you called the Academy to thank me or some shit.
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And I got on the phone with you and I was all excited.
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What's bad now is like, I never checked my email, and now I never checked my voice messages at all.
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I was telling you, I didn't think he was going to come out here because no one interrupts Matt's piece.
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And now, since the pandemic had some blessings, because I used to have to go to the city to hang out, and I do UFC Unfiltered with Jimmy.
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I've been doing that show for a while with him.
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Because you don't go to New York for it anymore.
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So I used to have to go to this city because I do UFC unfiltered with Jimmy.
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And I always felt like I was winning because it's a decent paying gig.
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But then, since the pandemic, man, now I just get a green screen in my fucking room.
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So now I can be at my school, I do the 7am, come home, take a little nap, hang out with Jimmy and fucking on Zoom, do the podcast, go back, watch my kids strangle people.
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So I'm at the school twice as much, and I do my podcast still.
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The only time I really leave the house otherwise is the fights, cornering people.
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And hanging out with Dean Thomas, looking for a fight.
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Don't you think there's something missing when you're doing a podcast with someone and they're not in the room with you?
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Because sometimes when I go to the city, and by the time I get back...
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It's like, oh, do I feel like heading into the academy now?
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And that was so much better than my- But wait a minute, wait a minute.
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Set up a fucking- Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
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Get on a fucking Uber and get out to Long Island.
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He's jacking off and fucking watching TV. He does his Sirius XM shit.
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It's like Opie and Anthony, but it's Jim and Sam.
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So, you know, I didn't mind taking the hit going to the city, but now I do since it's a fucking shithole in there now.
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I haven't been in there since that much, but I know it's shitty from my friends that live there and from what I've seen.
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I used to be able to go on with old school headphones kind of like this.
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I used to get my head straight and I'd go there and just whistle.
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Now I'm going to be there like fucking Kurt Russell and that motherfucker.
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I'm not going to be in there like chilling, walking the fucking...
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It is what it is, but I think you get a sense of what it's like there now.
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And I never lowered my sword, but I didn't have to feel like I was so on edge.
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You see shit all the time on the fucking subway, on this and that.
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I'm hearing all these different stories and that.
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The people at home, when they put a choke hold on, when you're doing it correctly, it stops the carotid arteries.
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But if you stop the blood flow for 15 minutes, the motherfucker's not coming back.
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So I don't know what happened, how long we kept it on and whatnot.
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But the guy who did have the chokehold on him had a fucking arrest warrant out for punching a fucking 60-something-year-old lady in the face.
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No, this wasn't your, you know, upstanding citizen.
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Look, there were three other people involved that were holding him, you know, when this guy tried to restrain him, too.
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The problem was to do that they had to omit the fact that the other guy helping him was black.
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So there's a black guy that's helping him hold him down and the guy's got his arm around this dude.
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And most of the people on the subway came out in defense of this guy, said, you know, thank you for helping to protect them.
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You always got to make a narrative of you don't know what's the truth, unless you were there.
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There's also a problem with people that are that fucked up.
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Like, that guy might have been high as shit on fentanyl.
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You know, and if you get in a scramble with that dude, and then all of a sudden you got him in a headlock, you might have a fucking heart attack and die.
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And I kind of feel bad for the dude because I know if it was me, I'm choking a motherfucker out.
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The fact that that guy might go to jail for that...
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Because I'm choking a motherfucker out because I'm trained to do that.
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If I seen a video of him putting to sleep and the guy just didn't wake up, it's like, alright, well, maybe the guy shouldn't be fucking attacking people, punching 60-something-year-old women in the face and whatever.
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So there's a case for that, but again, I can't go to bat if I don't know how long he held that on for.
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Yeah, remember when that guy got a choke to death for selling loose cigarettes I forgot it was a terrible story.
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But there was all these people that were saying, that's not a chokehold.
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And I was like, fuck you, that's not a chokehold.
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That cop had that dude's head and he had that shit cinched down.
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Like stopping someone who's been assaulting people.
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If there's a video out there, and not that you want to see the guy die, but it's crucial to know whether he's guilty or not.
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Because if he did hold on to the choke for a couple of minutes, yeah, you don't do that.
00:34:16.000
Just because he's a Marine, he knows how to do that.
00:34:22.000
Yeah, there's the photo, but now it's kind of shitty technique.
00:34:38.000
He said he used it more to restrain him, but I guess that's what you're saying.
00:34:45.000
It does work, but that's not like what a black belt does.
00:34:49.000
You know what kind of scared me recently, not to be a dick?
00:34:51.000
And I love Michael Bisping, and who else did it?
00:35:16.000
Oh, wait, am I? No, no, no, I'm actually saying exactly where you are.
00:35:20.000
But just when you're doing the proper rear naked, I want the elbow underneath the point of the chin.
00:35:31.000
But now, if I just slightly go to compress, what the fuck, man?
00:35:36.000
Like, I feel like if it's on the windpipe at all.
00:35:45.000
Look at the amount of pressure he's putting all of his weight behind him.
00:36:10.000
That's not a V. That's a fucking L. He's doing a number four on his neck.
00:36:20.000
And you'll be sleeping in under ten fucking eight seconds.
00:36:24.000
So if you're going to choke out radio DJs, do it properly.
00:36:32.000
I was looking at it like, dude, I'm a jiu-jitsu guy.
00:36:41.000
You're going to hurt him before you put him out.
00:36:43.000
He's not going to be eating soup for a fucking week, that guy.
00:36:50.000
Why do people want to get choked out like that, too?
00:36:57.000
Maybe we're fighters and just like, I want to see what it feels like.
00:37:02.000
Tim Kennedy choked him to sleep and then dropped him.
00:37:05.000
And he bounced off his fucking head on the theater floor.
00:37:08.000
But why would Tim Kennedy know better than that?
00:37:32.000
I think the elbow placement was better when I saw it the second time.
00:37:35.000
Yeah, I think he did tell him to drop him, and Tim's like, okay, I'll drop you.
00:37:41.000
Yeah, that's very, very, very, very bad for your brain.
00:37:52.000
I know, but why would Tim Kennedy put himself in that position?
00:38:07.000
I mean, you could end a situation just as easy.
00:38:14.000
I was looking at him like the Robocop where I saw the chin right there.
00:38:26.000
I hit him, his head hits the floor, I'm fucked.
00:38:28.000
Yeah, but also the way you did it was kind of beautiful.
00:38:46.000
With the guys I fought, I fought some killers and stuff.
00:38:50.000
I tell people to look up that, and it's not for bragging rights.
00:38:57.000
Look at you laughing when you go through this guy mountain.
00:39:07.000
You know what I really like, though, about Brazilian jiu-jitsu is, well, this is how it started, though, because they came in like weekend at Bernie's.
00:39:33.000
And this is the weekend that you got inducted to the Hall of Fame, right?
00:39:45.000
Because the next day I was going into the Hall of Fame.
00:39:57.000
I was waiting for this guy to grab my balls or something.
00:40:00.000
Because there's going to be a lapse between me not controlling him and him not getting involved.
00:40:18.000
He's going to charge you with embarrassing him.
00:40:21.000
It was the day before I was going to go into the Hall of Fame, and my wife's like, oh, we had family there in Vegas for me getting inducted in.
00:40:29.000
So she goes, oh, you want to go down to the Strip to see the fireworks?
00:40:35.000
And I'm like, listen, man, there's a lot of drunks.
00:40:37.000
Let's just keep it low-key, and then we'll celebrate tomorrow.
00:40:41.000
So sure enough, we're at the Red Rock Casino, which is so cool.
00:40:49.000
And so me and my wife, my kids, and my sister and her kid were there.
00:40:54.000
So we're at the cafe, and then you see them two walk in, the guy and his girlfriend.
00:41:05.000
Then he came back, and he came back really hostile.
00:41:08.000
And he was like throwing shit at the fucking waiters.
00:41:16.000
I go, because I just know if something goes near me, gets thrown in all directions, I just know I got to get out of here because it's not good.
00:41:25.000
Sure enough, my waiter was bringing me my check.
00:41:55.000
So then he fucking takes that fucking shirt off and nothing's going to get better after that.
00:42:00.000
So I stepped in around the waist, put him down.
00:42:11.000
I know he's going to say I'm a UFC guy beating him up.
00:42:22.000
So then, you know, I gave him a little lesson and then security ended up coming.
00:42:27.000
And at one point, you know, I'm telling him to calm down, and I look up and I see my nine, my Maria, my middle child.
00:42:35.000
And so she's looking up, like, you know, like a little, like, you know, terrified, kind of, you know?
00:42:41.000
So at one point, I look up her with the same tone.
00:42:46.000
So it sounds like I'm talking to him, but I was talking to my kid.
00:42:49.000
But, you know, afterwards with that, I sent the video to Dana, and I go, hey, tell Lorenzo to get better security in this motherfucker.
00:42:58.000
He put it out there and he went to TMZ. But I tell the students to look at that, the guys that are coming in, if they're unsure of Jiu Jitsu for them, I go, look.
00:43:10.000
It's not like I'm fucking, hey, look what I did, everybody.
00:43:21.000
That is such a much better result than the Joe Schilling one.
00:43:32.000
This is one of the beautiful things about jujitsu.
00:43:45.000
We're talking from a perspective of a jujitsu champion, UFC champion, and a Muay Thai champion.
00:43:51.000
Watch how Joe Schilling handles this dude because this is one of the most horrific videos that any drunk douchebag should ever see.
00:43:57.000
They should show you in drunk douchebag school.
00:44:03.000
So he bumps into him and then the guy says, hey.
00:44:06.000
And Joe Schilling turns around and the guy fucking...
00:44:09.000
All that dude had to do was flinch at him and Joe hit the switch.
00:44:32.000
Stand your ground law because it happened in Florida.
00:44:41.000
If I move to Florida, the fucking empire is on the way out.
00:44:50.000
He's so quiet, but man, that guy was a switcher turn in a minute.
00:44:56.000
If you're nice to him, he's the best guy you could ever be friends with.
00:45:19.000
And those are videos for everybody to see, too.
00:45:26.000
Like, when you an asshole like that, you dumb, you get knocked out.
00:45:46.000
I do the Instagram because I like to spread positivity and I like to do stuff like that with my schools and stuff.
00:45:55.000
I get it if there's some important message that you want out there for people that can't get it out there.
00:46:08.000
I want to be like Jay and Silent Bob and start going, all right, you cocksuckers.
00:46:14.000
I did not like how easy it is for people just to talk shit without any kind of repercussions.
00:46:20.000
It's also, you're just dealing with too much negativity.
00:46:27.000
Negativity should be treated like a fucking cancer, and I do that at my school, and you get it out.
00:46:34.000
If you just one fucking shitty guy with a shitty attitude could affect fucking how many more?
00:46:46.000
And it's a lot easier now, too, when we were talking about the pandemic, how I said I don't have to go to the city anymore.
00:47:00.000
We talked about this earlier, because you got your fifth school now.
00:47:06.000
Some people like to expand, and it works for them.
00:47:09.000
I find, and as I get older, downgrading's the way to fucking go.
00:47:23.000
Doing the Dana White looking for a fight with Dean.
00:47:39.000
I heard on here one time, I like that Jordan Peterson.
00:47:44.000
When you say when you talk to smart people, it's like talking to an ape.
00:47:50.000
So if you're talking to him, you feel you're an ape.
00:47:57.000
I remember he was on here once talking about how And I'm gonna paraphrase for sure, but retirement is like a, there's like really, not that there's no such thing, but what is your idea of retirement?
00:48:06.000
And he said like the thing with drinking a margarita, that's a postcard, a postcard that's not a retirement, it's not a real thing.
00:48:15.000
I've heard people that are like, I just can't wait to retire, I can't wait to retire.
00:48:18.000
Then they retire, like I don't know what the fuck to do with myself.
00:48:23.000
So I think quality of life, and I think I learned a lot of this from Ray Longo, who's 65 and still fucking going.
00:48:29.000
The quality of life is, to me, the most important thing.
00:48:35.000
We've experienced enough douchebags in our life.
00:48:40.000
Yeah, now you just want to hang around good people and just chill out.
00:48:44.000
I was telling Matt earlier that the Republican Party in Maryland actually asked me if I would run for the U.S. Senate seat.
00:48:57.000
The most jacked president in the history of the universe.
00:49:02.000
That's what I want the rest of the world to see when they think about an American president.
00:49:15.000
They're going to be up your ass with a microscope.
00:49:17.000
They're going to torture your family and the media.
00:49:20.000
And I said to Matt, I go, I enjoy my life the way it is right now.
00:49:29.000
Giving us all a nice career through the education we got with him.
00:49:42.000
In that Gracie documentary that I was just doing, I was like, there's a few black belts where someone says, I got a black belt under Hickson, right?
00:50:09.000
You've been Ameda since you're three years old.
00:50:18.000
But Henzo, when he came over, he was just so giving, man.
00:50:22.000
I was cornering him in the rings tournament and pride and these things.
00:50:35.000
The thing about Henzo is he's so different from the traditional Brazilian black belt.
00:50:42.000
Because he's so, like you said, he's so giving and he's so, it's like tradition don't matter to him.
00:50:47.000
When he said, when they were talking about, oh, you got to have your belt tied this way.
00:50:51.000
And he said, the belt is, whatever the way it ends up, that's the way I tie it.
00:50:56.000
Whatever it ends up, that's how it's supposed to be tied.
00:51:05.000
Now, I remember there was a modern jiu-jitsu student who was in the blue basement, and Henzo was teaching there, and he goes, Henzo, when he was naming all the...
00:51:14.000
When you go from the coyote guard to the K guard, and Henzo goes, my friend, don't make jiu-jitsu only for the intellectuals.
00:51:22.000
I Listen to some of the commentary and I'm not exactly sure what they're saying.
00:51:36.000
I can't even It makes it weird when they start going, oh, you don't know the coyote guard?
00:51:42.000
Oh, you mean the underhook when you're getting out?
00:51:44.000
I've been doing that since the last millennium, cocksucker.
00:51:46.000
They feel like they're teaching you because they know the words.
00:52:10.000
Yeah, when I was training, there was no leg locks.
00:52:15.000
It was every now and then some dude learned some shit from Dean Lister.
00:52:26.000
Occasionally a knee bar, but heel hooks were dangerous.
00:52:33.000
Danaher, John Danaher, my good buddy, did that conversation he had with Dean Lister.
00:52:38.000
Dean Lister was sleeping on my futon when he had that fucking...
00:52:42.000
Dean Lister was visiting, staying at my place, training with me.
00:52:45.000
I was living with Rodrigo Gracie at the time in Woodmere, Long Island.
00:52:53.000
And Dean Lister was visiting, and that's when I would take him in, and he was taking out most of the academy with the leg locks back then.
00:53:02.000
And that's when he had that conversation with John about why ignore 50% of the body.
00:53:15.000
That guy is someone right out of a fucking movie.
00:53:18.000
Donaher, like, that would not be a real person in any other time in history that you get a guy who's a professor of philosophy at Columbia who becomes addicted to jiu-jitsu and sleeps on the mats and just teaches people, and he's like a legit genius, wears rash guards everywhere, doesn't give a fuck about anything but jiu-jitsu.
00:53:43.000
He's an animal, and he's so fucking smart, man.
00:53:50.000
We were out to eat yesterday, and I'm like, Johnny, give me a day in the life that he's telling me about all the teaching.
00:53:56.000
Because I thought maybe he lightened up his load, because back in the day, In Henzo's, he would teach, teach, teach, and you'd see him on a pillow over to the side on a pillow, and then he'd get back up, do some more privates.
00:54:08.000
I know from being a teacher, you could get fucking burnt the fuck out.
00:54:19.000
His first television that he had, my buddy Chad LeBron, you might joke, Chad.
00:54:27.000
He came down to stay for a little bit in New York to train with us.
00:54:37.000
Anyway, he just didn't like the whole New York attitude.
00:54:39.000
So he goes, I gave John my TV because the only reason he took it is because he could play the...
00:54:47.000
It had a VHS and a DVD thing or whatever that he could watch wrestling videos on and shit like that.
00:54:56.000
He doesn't believe in any kind of marriage or love.
00:55:14.000
This guy just got his driver's license He's 55 In Austin And Austin requires me to drive And he will end up back in New York No, no, we got him.
00:55:32.000
It's weird seeing him anywhere other than New York.
00:55:37.000
Do you know he's Gary Tonin's striking coach, too?
00:55:45.000
If you study the game, I mean, it just comes down to information and knowledge.
00:55:48.000
Yeah, but I would very rarely say that I would trust someone who's never been a striker to be a striking coach except for him.
00:56:04.000
I wish Gary was in the UFC so more people could see him in.
00:56:33.000
He looked depressed going in and throughout the fight.
00:56:54.000
When I have to go, I have to go, and then you don't know when it stops.
00:57:14.000
I asked the UFC to find me a stall a little bit private because I got stomach issues.
00:57:19.000
So they brought me next to another one that wasn't so open and it was through the showers and stuff.
00:57:27.000
And all of a sudden I hear some people by the fucking showers.
00:58:15.000
Did you ever think about saying, hey guys, it's Matt Serra.
00:58:45.000
To be honest, you're going to feel like this until you kick someone else's ass.
00:58:56.000
Dude, I just wanted to fucking put a lampshade in there.
00:59:11.000
Matt, the colitis thing, what do you do for that?
00:59:22.000
They don't even tell me to stay away from a food.
00:59:27.000
I'm even asking my wife because I'm a little draggy after being fucking put out and them exploring my ass.
00:59:34.000
So I'm like, do I have to stay away from anything?
00:59:47.000
You know, what I did for a while, and I believe it helped me initially with my weight, because like I said, I used to be a fatty.
01:00:01.000
I ended up having to get hospitalized with my stomach, because I was having extreme flare-ups at one point, and I didn't know what was going on.
01:00:08.000
So I went in there, and they put me in an IV, and I was just on liquids until it calmed down, and then...
01:00:17.000
So then after that I started doing gluten-free because I didn't want to eat anything that I remembered that was flaring it up.
01:00:24.000
But I was eating still Italian food but the gluten-free one.
01:00:33.000
I feel the gluten-free helped me out a lot because I wasn't getting bloated anymore.
01:00:43.000
Now I don't think I'm getting bloated because I don't think I'm holding shit in.
01:00:51.000
And then the last time I went, which was literally a couple weeks ago, they gave me something which I didn't do last time like a bad boy.
01:01:15.000
I don't want to do it and then not get it there in time.
01:01:26.000
My wife the other day, she woke me up from a nap or whatever.
01:01:40.000
Dude, my ADD... Well, I smoke a lot of reefer, too.
01:01:46.000
I'll be teaching a move, not to get you guys worried, because I'm usually in that state anyway.
01:01:52.000
I'll teach a move, and I'll go into something, and then I'll go back to the show, and I'll be like, I hope this guy puts me back where I was.
01:02:04.000
Matt, have you ever gone and got blood work done and got everything checked out at a reputable place that looks at all your levels and finds out what's going on?
01:02:13.000
I mean, I got my TRT doc that I go every six weeks.
01:02:16.000
I get everything checked for me, all my levels.
01:02:21.000
The way you're talking about the gluten and the pasta, there's a lot of people that react like that.
01:02:31.000
I was just in Manchester, England with George St. Pierre.
01:02:56.000
And he said that what he does is the intimate fasting.
01:03:00.000
So now he eats only between 1 and 9. He only eats between 1 p.m.
01:03:16.000
He's done, like, multiple, like, I think, like, 72 hours fasts.
01:03:27.000
A lot of people swear by that every now and again.
01:03:33.000
Like, I'll have two slices and a hero instead of, like, a pie.
01:03:43.000
I think you know how you can overtrain your body?
01:03:50.000
You know, if you're a guy like me, I have a real problem.
01:03:54.000
If I come home and I'm tired, I just fucking eat.
01:04:02.000
You want to be away from all the good Italian food?
01:04:04.000
If I was in Austin, too, I wouldn't be dialing fucking pizza every day.
01:04:08.000
Dude, the two brothers and the stuff near me, the Umberdos, they can't make a bad slice.
01:04:15.000
I'm not eating pizza, so I don't know, but there's great food out here.
01:04:18.000
Everywhere you go, there's like these different restaurants and food trucks and everything.
01:04:25.000
You know what it is also, I think why I'm staying in better shape is I used to always blow up, as you know, because I knew I'd be getting it off because I had a fight coming up.
01:04:35.000
So it's like, if I'm fighting twice a year, half the year I'm training.
01:04:43.000
Dana used to always say the same joke and he always has all his like, you know when the evil villain says something and all the other guys, the henchmen are like, ha ha!
01:04:49.000
So he used to always see me, he used to always see me and he goes, oh, it looks like you ate Matt Serra!
01:05:06.000
So now I knew because I don't have anything coming up.
01:05:15.000
Even when I'm not rolling, I'm fucking drop cyanogging, doing some arm locks.
01:05:28.000
When I first met his father, I thought it was his brother.
01:05:30.000
We were at Henzo's WrestleOffs for Abu Dhabi stuff, and I said to Matt, I go, is that another brother?
01:05:52.000
But yeah, my father was a black belt under Henzo also.
01:06:04.000
We used to call the north-south choke the papa choke.
01:06:07.000
Because Henzo, you know, used to call him papa.
01:06:10.000
And he used to get north-south, and he had no fucking...
01:06:17.000
Because we used to think that was like a good move.
01:06:24.000
When I was a blue belt, after Frank beat Tito, I went to train with him.
01:06:33.000
Because I wanted to learn what he was doing for cardio.
01:06:41.000
And when I showed Henzo the move, like, you know, Henzo was, like, intrigued with it.
01:06:48.000
He's got a whole chain of things off of if the guy turns this way, lock him up.
01:06:53.000
If he turns the other way, he's punch choking him.
01:06:57.000
But, I mean, that was the first time I had seen it.
01:06:59.000
But so it used to, at one point in time, I remember Monson got some of it.
01:07:05.000
I think he put Brandon Lee Hinkle out with it, if I'm not.
01:07:14.000
I mean, in the best possible term, he's a gorilla.
01:07:21.000
I remember he fought someone in Abu Dhabi and he got a bad decision, so he took all his clothes off.
01:07:32.000
Pedepano tapped because he figured he's getting disqualified.
01:07:35.000
They told Munson he won and then cranked his neck.
01:07:44.000
He said his shorts that he took off like they had one of them side Like open bars and shorts.
01:08:00.000
He inspired me when I had to fight for the title.
01:08:04.000
He inspired me to go for broke because his fight with Tim Silver is the worst piece of shit I ever seen in my life.
01:08:09.000
I saw that fight and it was a short ball guy shooting from across the cage on that big dork Tim Silver and fucking...
01:08:22.000
I go, look, I will rather get knocked the fuck out than have that as my one title shot.
01:08:29.000
It might have resembled that if I just tried to get George down.
01:08:35.000
While it was happening, I could not fucking believe my eyes when you knocked out GSP. I remember that too.
01:08:55.000
My philosophy was I was like a street fighting kid.
01:08:58.000
I did a tough man contest at 18. Mr. T was the referee.
01:09:06.000
I broke this up the last time I was actually here.
01:09:09.000
And I knocked two guys out and the third guy I lost.
01:09:13.000
I fought three times in an hour at the Palladium in Manhattan.
01:09:24.000
I went to go eat pizza afterwards and my shit was out of whack, so I figured it was a broken jaw.
01:09:30.000
And I went there and they said it wasn't broken, but to that day.
01:09:42.000
So then when the Gracies came along, that's when I was 18. So then when the Gracies came along, they go, no, no, you could never exchange.
01:10:08.000
Living it and then ignoring the striking because everybody was at that point because it was like when the UFC came on the scene, it's like look at jujitsu!
01:10:18.000
So then all of a sudden everything started coming back around.
01:10:22.000
So that's when Longo's like, told you cocksucker!
01:10:43.000
I'm sure you still do, but you really did then.
01:10:49.000
It was one of those things where, like, watching George tap to strikes.
01:10:53.000
In this situation, I mean, this was a wild, wild upset.
01:10:59.000
The crazy thing was, you know, again, you were known as the jiu-jitsu champion.
01:11:04.000
You were known as one of the best jiu-jitsu guys ever to come out of America.
01:11:09.000
So to see you knocking guys out like that was wild.
01:11:13.000
When I had to fight, thank you, first of all, thanks.
01:11:15.000
When I had to fight Caro Parisian, I took the fight.
01:11:21.000
But when I first got the call, a few weeks before that, a couple weeks before that, I had a torn meniscus.
01:11:33.000
So I felt like it's going to tear off if I did that.
01:11:46.000
Because, it's weird, because I got tired in that fight, and I very rarely get tired, and I truly believe it's because I did not mimic the fight with the feet-to-floor sparring.
01:11:54.000
So you know that's a different kind of win that you need to do it.
01:12:04.000
One of my few times in my career, I got winded, and it was Karo.
01:12:08.000
He's probably one of the worst guys to get winded with, because that motherfucker had a good gas tank.
01:12:12.000
So I almost knocked him out in the beginning, because all that boxing play, I just did nothing but hands for that fucking thing.
01:12:16.000
And I was really getting used to rolling and coming back and landing, and Longo was happy with it.
01:12:21.000
He was taking me to Brooklyn to work at Lou Negley's school, too, in Brooklyn.
01:12:25.000
And I was really starting to feel good and get the timing that I never had with the stand-up.
01:12:35.000
He got a fucking judo grip inside my fucking pants.
01:12:46.000
That got me into the tough house, which led to good things.
01:12:50.000
The one, when I got him hurt, I didn't line that shit up.
01:12:58.000
He goes, when you hurt him, Manage your distance.
01:13:05.000
And a couple of things Longo had me doing, he had me having a fucking ball, like a medicine ball, kind of.
01:13:13.000
And he would have me just throw it during the circuit training, even after sparring.
01:13:27.000
Rondo really made me believe that I could fucking stand with this guy.
01:13:30.000
He goes, they think you're gonna try to get him down.
01:13:34.000
And I remember looking at that Jeff Munson fight and that cemented it.
01:13:42.000
So I didn't know I was gonna knock him out, but I knew that I had a very good chance of doing it because I was hurting guys with the 60 ounce gloves and Longo's like, look, he's fucking headin'.
01:13:53.000
He goes, he's standing up, he's doing some karate shit.
01:13:59.000
The stuff he was doing standing at the time, Longo had guys feeding me the exact shit.
01:14:05.000
Because then in the fight, I remember at one point he did a high kick, a low kick, a high kick.
01:14:17.000
And by the way, everybody out there, don't watch the rematch.
01:14:22.000
When you went into the rematch, were you injured?
01:14:32.000
The word was, before the rematch, Matt had hurt his back.
01:14:56.000
So this was New Year's Eve when I was out with my back.
01:15:01.000
I know because we did a watch party at MSG. And they fought.
01:15:05.000
So I didn't know who I was fighting at that point.
01:15:08.000
So then, my back was out, so then George beat Matt, so now I was fighting George.
01:15:13.000
I was going to fight Matt, that was my first title defense.
01:15:16.000
So now, I was going to fight George, and then I fought George, so my back was out on, what is that, the 31st of December?
01:15:25.000
So this is the very injury you were talking about earlier?
01:15:27.000
Yes, the very same injury I talked about earlier, because I was supposed to fight, no!
01:15:49.000
So there's months there for me, but I had to go through a camp.
01:15:52.000
Yeah, but if you have herniated discs and you go to a chiropractor, he's doing voodoo on you.
01:15:57.000
I wasn't walking then, but I ended up getting the weight off and being able to fight.
01:16:09.000
When you bend over to brush your teeth, I wasn't able to do this.
01:16:20.000
I'm giving him a shout out because he gave me an epidural in the city.
01:16:25.000
I know you had two epidurals before that fight.
01:16:34.000
I don't know what it did exactly, but it got me back.
01:16:50.000
But that's what they do with women when they have babies.
01:16:57.000
Provides anesthesia that creates a band of numbness from your belly button to your upper legs.
01:17:01.000
It allows you to be awake and alert through labor.
01:17:24.000
Inject an anesthetic into the epidural spine, around your spine, so it can stop pain signals.
01:17:41.000
I don't want you to say this because you're making an excuse.
01:17:43.000
I'm just asking you as a human being, what was it like?
01:17:49.000
The epidural, it took me a little bit to get back into being able to train properly, but you've got to think I got to that fight.
01:18:00.000
It wasn't my fucking best camp, but I got there, and I showed up, and I took my shot, and I signed the dotted line.
01:18:31.000
So I did a thing where I go, he should just drink his red wine and shut the fuck up.
01:18:35.000
I was calling him Frenchy, but it was all from the movie.
01:18:45.000
I feel George was so on point that night that if I had my, even if I was in fucking tip-top, I think I probably would have resembled him and Nick Diaz with me.
01:19:03.000
Matter of fact, when I was going to fight Frank Trigg, there was pictures of Frank Trigg's face photoshopped on George saying, I remember reading a thing, who else thinks that Frank Trigg's going to wrestle fuck Sarah?
01:19:16.000
Anyway, so just like I told Krohn, I had to kick somebody else's ass because I didn't like the way that second fight went.
01:19:33.000
There's times where just like a couple weeks ago, I felt a little something.
01:19:37.000
It makes me nervous where I'm like, I feel if I do this.
01:19:47.000
Because I have the new knee put in and this and that.
01:19:50.000
The back is worse because you can't do anything.
01:19:53.000
That's why Aljamain getting his disc replaced in his neck.
01:19:59.000
That he goes on to do that and then dominates Piotr in the rematch.
01:20:16.000
I think the tide's turned, especially after the Cejudo fight.
01:20:22.000
You know, I was in the corner that night, and I was shocked that it was...
01:20:31.000
Like, I remember just thinking, like, maybe one round he lost.
01:20:42.000
Sometimes they just get it all fucked up, and it's so dangerous.
01:20:46.000
It's like it can change your career one way or the other.
01:21:03.000
When you look at the record books, they remember who won.
01:21:10.000
Devin Haney is going to go down forever as being the guy who won, whereas a lot of people saw that.
01:21:21.000
I remember a fight when they raised this dude's hand and then backstage they changed it.
01:21:36.000
Nothing made me more happy when he beat GSP because by MMA math, I was the world champ.
01:21:48.000
Basically, one of the judges wrote his score where my name was, and he had it upside down.
01:21:59.000
All I know is I'm backstage going, oh man, that was a close one, right?
01:22:05.000
All I know is I'm chasing him around, getting jabbed in the fucking face.
01:22:11.000
It was one of those things where You know, I didn't feel like I lost, but listen, he won the fight.
01:22:19.000
I always had that attitude where I was going forward, so I felt like I won.
01:22:34.000
It took a backstage and all sudden he's in the locker room next to me and So, all of a sudden, I hear them.
01:23:00.000
He's like, I hate to tell you, but they got it wrong.
01:23:17.000
They were talking about trying to get that redone and have Buffer announce me as the winner eventually.
01:23:47.000
There's not one fight that keeps me up at night.
01:23:52.000
When you're going through it, and when you lose, especially when it's fresh, I think you think you're going to feel that forever, that pain.
01:24:02.000
I mean, maybe it was because I had to see that Shawnee backfist a million times when they use that in every fucking promo.
01:24:07.000
I guess that maybe started me off being humble because it was the first backfist ever.
01:24:19.000
And that's what I try to tell fighters as a coach now.
01:24:22.000
I say, listen, you got to fight your best fight because if you lose, it's going to suck, but you're not going to care in the future.
01:24:40.000
I don't think the judging can be counted on as being 100% accurate.
01:24:53.000
It's the UFC. It's the highest level of the sport.
01:24:56.000
These guys are not going to fight harder to win.
01:25:01.000
Yeah, they're not going to try to do something extra to get a win bonus.
01:25:10.000
In the case of bad judging, it just penalizes the fighter who did nothing wrong, and they can maybe rectify it backstage with bonuses if they choose to do that, but I don't know how often they do.
01:25:21.000
But I think it should be a part of what you fight for.
01:25:29.000
You fight for X amount of money and that's what you fight for.
01:25:33.000
Not whether or not the judges get it right, not whether or not some freak thing happens and you get injured.
01:25:41.000
Yeah, I don't understand why they still have win bonuses because the win bonus and the commission is separate.
01:25:46.000
So, like, the fact that if the judges get it wrong, it affects your money.
01:25:54.000
So the UFC should just be like, you know what, we're going to just make it right for the fighters and just say, listen, this is what you get paid, so it doesn't matter if they get it wrong.
01:26:02.000
I would feel better about that just period anyway.
01:26:11.000
I mean sometimes guys lose and they're fighting their fucking ass off.
01:26:18.000
Some of just crazy fucking wars where you're like, Jesus Christ.
01:26:25.000
Did you ever see the fight with Demir Izmagalov and Kudiladze?
01:26:34.000
I'm like, one guy won the first round, the other guy won the second round, and then at the end, they were just going tooth and nail, and they were just fighting their heart out.
01:26:41.000
And then they ended up giving it to Izmagalov, and I was like, man, that sucks for Kudaladze.
01:26:56.000
It doesn't incentivize anybody to fight harder.
01:27:10.000
You know, I was having a conversation with Josh Barnett about this.
01:27:15.000
And the dangers of dehydration and massive weight cuts in the age of no IVs.
01:27:21.000
Because if you saw it, you can't use an IV. How much of an impact is that?
01:27:33.000
When these guys cut too much weight, I always think they feel like it's going to give them an advantage, but the fact that you are dehydrating yourself so much, it's actually a disadvantage.
01:27:42.000
And it dehydrates, it's hard to rehydrate the brain, is that true?
01:27:58.000
How long does it take to rehydrate the brain after severe hydration?
01:28:06.000
But these guys, you see some of them on Death's Door.
01:28:09.000
If somebody looked like that normally, and you're like, alright dude, you're fighting tomorrow for your life.
01:28:26.000
And he wasn't walking to the scale, he was shuffling to the scale.
01:28:33.000
And he got that opportunity from being on the show with us.
01:28:39.000
Imagine if that guy goes in there healthy and finishes him.
01:28:47.000
Travis Lute has got really, really good jiu-jitsu.
01:28:57.000
And I remember, listen, man, you know I like to eat.
01:29:06.000
And he's going, I go, dude, how are you doing that?
01:29:14.000
I ain't no fucking brain surgeon here, but I don't think sugar is sugar, bro.
01:29:28.000
Do you know who he says is the most talented guy he's ever worked with?
01:29:39.000
When he puts it together, he's got crazy power.
01:29:44.000
When he knocked out Buckley, that straight right.
01:29:52.000
He just doesn't seem like he takes his career seriously.
01:29:55.000
I think he struggles with real strong wrestlers.
01:30:00.000
But then they made that crazy agreement to just have a kickboxing fight with Wonderboy.
01:30:08.000
I know you see him in MMA when dudes are trying to take him down, but if you don't give any threat to Wonderboy that you're going to get taken down and Wonderboy gets to do that karate shit on you, that's a fucking nightmare.
01:30:19.000
Even at 40 years old or however old he is now, Wonderboy's fucking terrified.
01:30:27.000
They're starting to get him down now, but how awesome is Wonderboy and how awesome is his sidekick?
01:30:39.000
I mean, he has the best sidekick I've ever seen in MMA. Yeah, no doubt.
01:30:44.000
He lifts that leg up and slides in off the back foot.
01:30:51.000
But it's amazing that no one else uses it like that.
01:30:56.000
It's also you have to be taught to do it correctly.
01:30:58.000
Because a lot of guys do it incorrectly and it just doesn't have any pop to it.
01:31:07.000
Remember he dropped Vitor to the body with a front leg side kick.
01:31:13.000
That was after Vitor almost broke his arm in half.
01:31:16.000
Vitor got so close to tapping John Jones, any other human being other than John probably would have fucking tapped.
01:31:22.000
John's brother, one of his brothers, played for the Ravens at that time, and he was at the game the next day, and he was slinged up.
01:31:31.000
Remember when he was supposed to fight Chael Sonnen?
01:31:33.000
He agreed to do the ultimate fighter because he really couldn't train.
01:31:36.000
So he did that whole thing with Chael Sonnen, let it heal, and then beat the fuck out of Chael.
01:31:45.000
And he didn't realize it until I was interviewing him.
01:31:50.000
He sits down, and he was kind of going into shock, and he sat down.
01:32:03.000
So to this day, you know, he has to tape his toes up on that foot.
01:32:10.000
So he tapes those toes up like that, and they told him to take the stuff off below the toes.
01:32:21.000
Which is wild to think that literally the goat has a problem with one of his feet.
01:32:35.000
Yeah, the armbar and then he finished with an Americana.
01:32:39.000
I remember one of the kids at the school was like, oh, he's just a black belt.
01:32:47.000
Because you haven't got caught in Americana in class lately?
01:32:56.000
And people wish to sleep on feet towards Jiu-Jitsu, bro.
01:33:17.000
Is there any way we can see the Americana to it?
01:33:20.000
So do it before that, because when he was on the ground initially was when it was the deepest.
01:33:35.000
I wonder if he would have kept his heels in hindsight.
01:33:44.000
And then, you know, John starts fucking him up.
01:33:47.000
And there's a sidekick to the body, so he hits him with that...
01:34:08.000
Vitor really is, you know, much better suited frame-wise, the 185-pound division.
01:34:14.000
It's funny, that whole TRT... He took that fight on short notice, too, right?
01:34:18.000
That was a fight where he was fighting at 85. Speaking of TRT, I have a question.
01:34:23.000
I don't know if any of you know the answer, too.
01:34:25.000
Conor's supposed to be coming back to fight Chandler.
01:34:29.000
Why, if a fighter is out of the testing pool, does he have to wait six months?
01:34:34.000
Because they have to make sure that you're not...
01:34:38.000
I mean, if he was clean for a month or two months, that's not enough?
01:34:47.000
And we're letting it slide because he's got an injury that he has to recover from.
01:34:53.000
There's no other reason why you wouldn't be, unless it's cocaine.
01:34:57.000
Unless there's something else you're worried about getting tested positive for, which they do test, which is kind of wild.
01:35:23.000
Was this before or after the Louis Resto fight?
01:35:29.000
Yeah, he was coaching Louis Resto and he took all the padding out of the gloves.
01:35:39.000
He wrecked his fate, and then the kid wound up committing suicide.
01:35:44.000
Is that the guy with the plaster and the thing, or is that something different?
01:35:53.000
Yeah, so it's Billy Collins versus Louis Resto.
01:35:56.000
Billy Collins was this up-and-coming real promising young kid and Louie Resto was not like a big puncher.
01:36:02.000
That's why it was so crazy that he was busting him up.
01:36:08.000
So every time he's hitting him, he's just hitting him with bare knuckle.
01:36:26.000
His vision was fucked up and he wound up becoming an alcoholic and I think he died by suicide in a car accident.
01:36:36.000
I mean, his face is, like, unbelievably swollen.
01:36:39.000
And everyone was really confused because Louis Resto was not that big of a puncher.
01:36:42.000
And then his dad went over after the fight and grabbed Louis' gloves, and he felt the gloves, and he felt the knuckle straight through the glove, and he knew there was no padding in there.
01:37:05.000
Oh, you should see that guy's face a couple days later.
01:37:14.000
Panama Lewis wound up getting kicked out, but he did work with Tyson as a sort of non-corner-man role back in the day.
01:37:25.000
Before he passed away, he just hung out in the gyms.
01:37:34.000
Tougher sport for you then as far as your health than MMA. I do a hundred percent.
01:37:39.000
Yeah, it's hard when it's the head trauma Yeah, it's you know, I mean these guys they spar hard too.
01:37:47.000
I know you watch some of the Javonte Davis sparring sessions.
01:37:55.000
Or like at Mayweather's, I heard they would just do these spar sessions where they don't put time on.
01:38:17.000
Like that guy throws so few punches and everyone he hits you with is so dangerous.
01:38:22.000
But it's so interesting to watch him in the beginning of fights where guys like try to get a lead on him.
01:38:27.000
And he's just kind of measuring you up, measuring you up, and you're trying real hard to beat him.
01:38:32.000
And he's just kind of measuring you up, measuring you up.
01:38:37.000
God damn, he closes that distance so fast and throws that left uppercut.
01:38:45.000
His straight left, the one that he knocked down Davis with the first one.
01:38:54.000
Or Ryan Garcia, the one he knocked down Ryan Garcia with.
01:39:08.000
Every time we think boxing's on his last leg, man, they put together a big fight to keep it alive.
01:39:14.000
I mean, I do believe him and Garcia being, like, finally two guys in their prime out of having a big fight.
01:39:20.000
Now you're seeing Crawford and Spence are going at it.
01:39:24.000
I thought they'd fight like Pacquiao and Mayweather.
01:39:30.000
Now they're like, hey, let's start fighting each other.
01:39:53.000
I do seminars at his place, and the next day's the Super Bowl.
01:40:47.000
Now it's free, so you got a bunch of new kids in there.
01:41:01.000
I haven't played with him in a little bit, but I play with him on that.
01:41:06.000
I was in here the other day, I saw Fowler BJJ. And they go, hey.
01:41:26.000
Every time I'm playing, she'll fucking, I'll be in there.
01:41:30.000
And my wife comes and she hits my fucking balls.
01:41:45.000
We were talking about it earlier with him in the video games.
01:42:12.000
But it's, listen, I know it looks really special.
01:42:26.000
One of my favorite movies is Ready Player One, and I listened to an audiobook a little, too.
01:42:35.000
Oh, Jamie, before I forget, they got a Taekwondo version of this now.
01:42:47.000
So they put these leg things on people, and a guy and a girl were having a sparring match virtually.
01:42:52.000
So they bowed each other, shook hands, and they went to the opposite side of the room, and they put their headgear on.
01:43:01.000
I'm thinking, as this gets more sophisticated, they could do a Muay Thai version.
01:43:06.000
I mean, you really couldn't do a Jiu-Jitsu version, obviously, but I think you could do a Muay Thai version.
01:43:16.000
Even though I got a new battery pack, I can go longer.
01:43:28.000
But see if you can find a video of it, because the video I just saw yesterday for the first time.
01:43:43.000
So see they got sensors on their legs and their shins and stuff like that?
01:43:48.000
I used to be a regular, because you know the Call of Duty and the Halo, I used to play that kind of stuff.
01:43:54.000
But this would really be good training practice, better than shadowboxing for sure.
01:44:01.000
Because you could do the same kind of stuff that you could do with shadowboxing, but you could do it against an opponent with no consequences.
01:44:09.000
It's not good to develop defense, but in terms of developing technique, it sounds like a really fucking good idea.
01:44:19.000
She used to do the boxing one with the workout where you're punching the...
01:44:22.000
You're punching the glowing balls type of shit.
01:44:24.000
And she went through two fucking headsets and got drenched.
01:44:27.000
It seems like you could take some things, if you want to do Muay Thai, where you put on some things that just go down the side of your leg.
01:44:34.000
And it attaches to your ankle and attaches to where your knee is.
01:44:37.000
So it knows where your knees are going and it knows where your ankles are going and it knows where you're getting hit.
01:44:41.000
But then you'd have to do it, too, for your elbows, too, if you were stoned elbows.
01:44:44.000
Yeah, you'd have to do it on your elbows, and, you know, maybe you could even go on your...
01:44:57.000
But it's also, it's like, you need at least a dummy down there.
01:45:14.000
I think you really could learn some shit from that.
01:45:26.000
Don't try to put me in a locker, you cocksucker!
01:45:29.000
Dude, I used to have a real addiction to Quake.
01:45:36.000
You're running around shooting rockets at people.
01:45:44.000
But once I did this one time, I started with the Vive, and then now the...
01:46:03.000
I can't go back to regular video games after doing the Oculus Quest.
01:46:10.000
Well, that's why I don't do it, because I have one too, and I used to play the little zombie game.
01:46:22.000
The worst was during the, like fucking, my kids were doing the Zoom, right?
01:46:31.000
They were on there, and I'm like, I don't fucking see him!
01:47:02.000
Back in the day, people would probably get the same kind of thrill doing, I mean, listen, I'm not shitting on paintball and shit like that, but, dude, I get my adrenaline up with this shit.
01:47:13.000
Everybody's just fucking saying, wow, he had us.
01:47:16.000
Hey, let me ask you guys, what do you think about this upcoming Yair Rodriguez-Volkanovsky fight?
01:47:22.000
Listen, Yair, obviously Volkanovski's going to be the big favorite.
01:47:35.000
It's hard to go against Volkanovski just because of what this guy...
01:47:40.000
And Max, I thought, would retire at that weight class.
01:47:43.000
And he beat him three times, not once, not twice.
01:47:47.000
That's what made me a true believer, the third one.
01:47:50.000
The last one, I mean, he just keeps getting better.
01:47:53.000
I mean, that's what you saw in the Islam fight, too.
01:47:57.000
I mean, he's in his prime, but I don't think he's at his full potential yet.
01:48:22.000
It's just so hard to deal with those kicks, and he keeps getting better.
01:48:25.000
When he submitted Josh in that last fight, I was like, wow.
01:48:30.000
He looked so good on the feet, too, even before that.
01:48:33.000
But ultimately, I think that Volkanovski, I think his ground and pound is underrated.
01:48:43.000
I mean, I think he still should be the pound for pound best.
01:48:47.000
Because if you look at it, I mean, he did go up a weight class and arguably, in many people's eyes, should have got the nod.
01:48:53.000
But at the very least, it was as close to a draw as you're going to get in like a world championship fight.
01:49:06.000
You know, I mean, it was an amazing fight all around, but I feel like that's the pound for pound.
01:49:11.000
I'm wondering if his performance against Islam will make other fighters now, he's not so invincible anymore.
01:49:19.000
So maybe you don't go in with that mystique and maybe somebody else goes in there and shows that he's human.
01:49:27.000
Sometimes those smaller guys are harder to finish than even bigger guys.
01:49:40.000
I remember the first time you walked into the academy like the fucking creature from the deep.
01:49:48.000
Dude, my first day, he pulled you off teaching so you could help me with my private.
01:50:11.000
I thought they were going to go straight Duplessis to Izzy.
01:50:14.000
Considering that Izzy's beat Robert Whitaker twice.
01:50:18.000
And then, you know, Duplassie and him have a problem with each other.
01:50:36.000
I think he's something like 12-0 as a middleweight against anybody not named Addison.
01:50:50.000
Bo Nickel, always love to see the wrestlers out there.
01:50:55.000
Yeah, Bo Nickel fighting another black guy who can't wrestle.
01:51:05.000
First of all, Is this his first time in the UFC? No, he was on a contender series.
01:51:12.000
I mean, in defense of Bo, he's new, you know what I mean?
01:51:15.000
You can't just throw him to the dogs right away.
01:51:17.000
And you'll see, I think, another kid out of Penn State, Roman Bravo Young, he'll wind up checking in the MMA. I think Treshawn Gore was on the Ultimate Fighter, I think.
01:51:27.000
Go back to that, I'm sorry, the rest of the card again?
01:51:43.000
That Della Madalena guy is a motherfucker, dude.
01:51:50.000
His shots, the body and the head, he's so good at digging under and creating opportunities.
01:52:00.000
I've been going out to Philly working with Sean.
01:52:20.000
I ran him on the podcast and says, what the fudge?
01:52:26.000
You guys are going to owe Dan Hooker an apology if he wins.
01:52:33.000
You're going to owe Dan Hooker an apology if he wins.
01:52:41.000
Dan Hooker is one of those guys that was so close, right?
01:52:45.000
Think about when he had that fight with Dustin Poirier.
01:52:54.000
I don't want to take anything away from him, but I think Jalen Turner, especially after losing his last fight, I think that taught him a lot.
01:53:13.000
You know, as a win over Jalen is Matt's theme role of Avolo.
01:53:18.000
I'm just giving him a shout out because he's our guy.
01:53:25.000
And he's one of those guys that, I mean, every one of his fights is fucking amazing.
01:53:32.000
Yeah, I mean, I probably should give him an apology for him knocking out Dober because I didn't think that was going to happen.
01:53:39.000
Listen, he's got the balls to pull the trigger.
01:53:52.000
We had a mutual friend who was like the funniest guy I ever met in my life.
01:53:57.000
I was a private investigator's assistant when I was 21. And really it was my friend Dave lost his driver's license drinking and driving and he needed someone to drive him.
01:54:06.000
So I drove with him until he got his driver's license back.
01:54:10.000
So I'd have to pick him up and take him to like people's houses when they were doing insurance fraud and shit.
01:54:14.000
It was mostly like he was a private investigator investigating like You know, mostly fraud.
01:54:20.000
But occasionally there was some chick who was cheating on the guy and that kind of stuff.
01:54:25.000
So I met this guy, Dave Dolan, who's like the fucking funniest guy I've ever met in my life, who never wanted to do stand-up comedy.
01:54:36.000
He goes, you gotta look out for my boy, Matt Frivola.
01:54:41.000
I remember the first time I met Frivolo, we talked about this guy that he wound up dying.
01:54:52.000
Just like, there's some dudes, you know how there's some dudes in the early days of, you know, training, where like, they're so talented.
01:55:07.000
And his cousin owned the Comedy Connection in Boston.
01:55:30.000
Guys might have the skills, but they don't got the fucking dedication or else, you know, it doesn't happen overnight either.
01:55:37.000
And we were talking about that last night, how you have so many of these guys in the gym that are straight-up killers, like beating guys you see on TV, but when you put the lights on, it's tough.
01:55:53.000
One thing goes wrong, and they just never snap back.
01:55:57.000
You know, there's like certain things that just compromise your movement, like a neck thing or a back thing.
01:56:01.000
They get it operated on, they're never the same.
01:56:07.000
Like, Kane Velasquez, his body just started failing on him.
01:56:10.000
His shoulders started going, knees started going.
01:56:17.000
As soon as he started getting injured, like his knees went.
01:56:26.000
Is Kane going to be, is he out of trouble with all that stuff?
01:56:33.000
The whole thing is so evil that the guy who did that was out on the street.
01:56:38.000
Sometimes the world just seems backwards lately with a lot of things, you know?
01:56:47.000
I mean, I don't know what the legal status is, but it's a horrible, horrible, horrible fucking story.
01:56:59.000
He just went out and actually fucking did it, and he lost his mind.
01:57:06.000
Yeah, he's the nicest fucking guy, other than that.
01:57:11.000
When he was in his prime, dude, before he was injured, Goddamn, he was a force of nature.
01:57:15.000
Man, the beatdown he put on JDS. The cardio he had for a heavy man.
01:57:22.000
And for a guy with a wrestler base, his stand-up was legit.
01:57:31.000
Everything was clean and crisp and coming in combinations.
01:57:33.000
When he knocked out Minotauro, it was just bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
01:57:36.000
It was like, woof, Cain Velasquez in his prime was a motherfucker.
01:57:40.000
That's like one of the great missed opportunities.
01:58:18.000
I think some guys have trouble transitioning to the other part of their life.
01:58:25.000
You just don't, you know, thank God I left the sport in my chin.
01:58:28.000
Some guys, they leave that sport, they leave the chin in there with them, you know what I mean?
01:58:31.000
You can only get, I mean, look at what happened to your jaw, that one tough man fight.
01:58:39.000
Imagine Krokop Danging you in the chin over and over again.
01:58:47.000
But I tell you what though, when Fedor was in his prime, I was with Jeff Munson in Russia when Fedor fought him.
01:58:52.000
And I remember Jeff Munson walking out that tunnel and it looked like a man was walking to his execution.
01:59:04.000
Yeah, it was the worst beating I've ever seen a human being take.
01:59:31.000
So this was right around the time where they were negotiating with Fedor to come to the UFC. Because Fedor and his representatives met with the UFC at one point in time, and like many points in time, and there was like some real, you know, heated discussions, and it became a bit of an issue.
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I mean, look, he's built like a tank, but the fucking shots he's eaten from arguably the heavyweight goat.
02:00:17.000
I mean, other than Jon Jones, I would have loved to see Fedor versus Jon Jones.
02:00:29.000
I don't think he believes in cutting too much weight.
02:00:32.000
Well, I think that probably also led to his durability.
02:00:41.000
I mean, when he walked down Krokop in that fight, I was like, this is crazy.
02:00:46.000
Like, this guy is, you know, you've known him as a Sambo guy.
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And here he is, he's walking down one of the greatest kickboxers that's ever competed in MMA. That's how talented that guy was.
02:01:07.000
Didn't matter a little bit either what he looked like.
02:01:12.000
Those Minotauro fights, when he stopped Minotauro, those were horrific.
02:01:16.000
That's when Minotauro was really, you know, crushing.
02:01:23.000
Dude, what about he hit Orlovsky out of the air?
02:01:34.000
Everybody forgets how good Orlovsky was in his prime.
02:01:36.000
Dude, Freddie Roach said he could have been a very good professional boxer if he had a chin.
02:01:42.000
Well, remember when Fedor knocked out Tim Sylvia, too?
02:02:12.000
Because he was winning that fight up into that moment.
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I mean, who knows what could have happened if he had kept that going.
02:02:24.000
He fought back in the day when I was fighting, and Orlowski had a fucking straight sweater.
02:02:29.000
And now I look at him now, I'm like, where's the werewolf?
02:02:35.000
There was one other dude who fought in the UFC that one time, he had all the hair.
02:02:50.000
Yeah, that's one dude, but that's not the dude.
02:03:08.000
Dude, I ripped that shit off and blow it in his face.
02:03:14.000
Go to Stefan Struve's Wikipedia and find out who it is.
02:03:29.000
You're looking at a dude who looks like he's...
02:03:36.000
Sean Alvarez, he looked like he was wearing a sweater.
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I mean, he kept it shaved, but if he let that shit go, it was going to be a werewolf in the house.
02:04:11.000
It's right where he started UFC. Chase, I don't know.
02:04:32.000
Like that dude, when he shaved it all, he looked fantastic, like a male model.
02:04:35.000
But when he let it all grow out, only one time I think he did it.
02:05:09.000
But that one is a mind game for a guy like you.
02:05:26.000
Ask 1FC when all the world's Sambo champs are coming and fighting the jiu-jitsu champs and it's not going the Sambo champs way at all.
02:05:38.000
You know, but like for MMA though, a lot of people make the argument that combat Sambo style is probably even better with striking.
02:05:48.000
Is that jiu-jitsu is like now what Taekwondo was back in the day.
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So now it kind of went away from where we are in MMA. A competition direction.
02:06:02.000
Even someone who just does a competition jiu-jitsu, they never did any kind of distance management and stuff like that, they'll still strangle the fuck out of it.
02:06:11.000
Average people like they'll still be able to defend themselves.
02:06:13.000
It's still better than the majority of fucking other arts out there.
02:06:17.000
And it really depends on which kind of competitors you're talking about.
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Because if you're talking about like Mikey Musumechi, like that little motherfucker is an assassin.
02:06:44.000
They see that thing with the Sambo and them saying that it's better for combat sports, mixed martial arts and stuff.
02:06:53.000
When you look at the arts as a whole, you know, the wrestling, they can say the same thing for wrestling.
02:07:02.000
Like, in other words, the thing about jiu-jitsu is the self-defense aspect of it, where what about the defense?
02:07:19.000
I don't know if they have similar defenses and escapes.
02:07:22.000
When I had zero in the tank, I made it to the...
02:07:28.000
So, jiu-jitsu served me not only as the hammer, but when I was being the fucking nail.
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And it stopped me from ever having to say uncle in there.
02:07:39.000
The defensive part of jiu-jitsu, the technique, not just the offensive part, you know, I would've been fucked.
02:07:59.000
I saw that shit this morning and I was going to go look for a nail clipper.
02:08:09.000
I was with Bruce Buffer in Hawaii, and I was asking, was he a little bit older, Bruce Buffer?
02:08:22.000
I'm always fucking trimming the nose hair and the fucking ear hair.
02:09:04.000
That was another crazy thing about the Henzo gym was all the fucking staff.
02:09:20.000
Whenever shit's going down like that, because I wash my mats after every session, when there's stuff going on, I go, hey, man, you guys, I see people leaving this place without showering.
02:09:28.000
Now, I'm not following you home, but you better fucking shower when you get home.
02:09:34.000
We try to talk them into like, look, try to shower here.
02:09:41.000
I haven't had a skin thing for a while, knock on wood.
02:09:44.000
Do you take acidophilus or any probiotics or something like that?
02:09:50.000
Acidophilus, probiotics, any kind of probiotics.
02:09:58.000
Mozzarella, kimchi, fermented things, like fermented sauerkraut, kimchi.
02:10:04.000
Yeah, I mean, the only thing I have is I drink the kombucha.
02:10:12.000
I thought that would cure any of my stomach trouble, but no.
02:10:15.000
I have a feeling if you tried carnivore diet, it'd probably help you a lot.
02:10:18.000
I know it'd be hard for you with that obsession with Italian food, but if you tried it.
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Literally right next door to the hotel so you couldn't go wrong.
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Before she even finished her sentence, we turned that shit over to Green.
02:11:01.000
I wonder if the Brazilian Steakhouses took a hit after the movie Bridesmaids.
02:11:09.000
There was a part when, for the shower, the girl's shower or something?
02:11:18.000
She goes, oh, let's go to this Brazilian place.
02:11:42.000
But ever since then, man, I wonder if they took a hit with that.
02:11:53.000
I hadn't been there in a minute, so it was good to go in and smash it.
02:11:54.000
You know where most people get food poisoning from?
02:12:06.000
Because someone told me it's like people that don't wash their hands when they're handling salad.
02:12:22.000
I used to eat broccoli when I was getting the 155. Fresh salads are another top source of food poisoning, but pinpointing the cause can be tricky.
02:12:32.000
Some outbreaks are tied to a specific kind of greens, often romaine, lettuce, and spinach, or to certain growers or packers.
02:12:38.000
Salmonella or other bacteria can be traced to dirty irrigation water, soil, or human hands.
02:12:46.000
But I think they get it from a lot of other things, too.
02:12:49.000
But then again, you know how many people get salmonella from eggs?
02:12:53.000
It was Moby was talking about it, because, you know, Moby's a crazy vegan.
02:12:56.000
And he was, you know, talking about how you shouldn't eat eggs.
02:13:01.000
If you get pasture-raised eggs, those chickens are just eating bugs and grass, and then they lay their eggs, and as long as there's no rooster, that's never going to be a chick.
02:13:11.000
I didn't know that they just laid eggs for time.
02:13:22.000
In my mind, an egg leads to, they laid an egg, it must be, there's a chicken there.
02:13:30.000
Yeah, when you have healthy chickens, especially when they're young, they lay eggs almost every day.
02:13:45.000
And they just, you know, you give them chicken feed, but they also, they eat worms, and they eat the fucking shit out of mice.
02:13:52.000
If they catch a mouse, they will fuck that mouse up.
02:13:57.000
We showed many people, unfortunately, if you're watching this at home, you're going to have to watch it again.
02:14:01.000
Watch a cat is playing with this mouse and the cat is just letting them out and the chicken runs over.
02:14:09.000
And steals the fucking mouse from the cat and the chicken fucks that mouse up.
02:14:14.000
So the cat's playing with it and the chicken's observing.
02:14:17.000
It's like, bitch, you ain't even doing nothing.
02:14:28.000
We had a mouse in our chicken coop and one chicken ran off with it and the other ones are chasing her and trying to steal it from her mouth.
02:14:56.000
They'll find birds that can't move good and they'll eat them.
02:15:03.000
But there was this bird net that they used to trap birds, like a specific kind of birds.
02:15:12.000
The fucking deer's just straight up eating a bird.
02:15:20.000
But if they have an opportunity to eat a little birdie, they'll chew that fucker down.
02:15:42.000
I heard people say that it's like gamey or something.
02:15:48.000
It's also how you butcher the animal in the field.
02:15:52.000
Like, a lot of times people don't know what they're doing.
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Like, there's tarsal glands that are on these deer, especially when they're rutting, which is when you're hunting them.
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And if you get that scent on the meat, it'll fuck the meat up.
02:16:16.000
They're trying to fuck and they're trying to fight.
02:16:18.000
So they're putting out this, and their glands, a lot of times people accidentally cut their glands when they're butchering the animal, and that shit will get on the meat.
02:16:25.000
And also, if you don't immediately cool the meat down, that's very important, like right after you kill the animal, you have to butcher it and cool that meat down.
02:16:34.000
You don't want it outside being exposed to the heat.
02:16:39.000
You want to get it on ice as quickly as possible.
02:17:06.000
But the problem with food is the shit that's the most delicious sometimes is not fucking good for you.
02:17:17.000
Ravioli, gnocchi, tortellini, stuffed shells, send it my way.
02:17:27.000
The thing is, what I notice about the carnivore diet is, when I'm done, I'm done.
02:17:30.000
Like, if I'm only eating steak, I can only eat so much, then I'm done.
02:17:33.000
But if there was, like, mashed potatoes there, or spaghetti...
02:17:37.000
You don't eat, like, mashed potatoes with your steak?
02:17:44.000
Since I got a bad stomach, it don't bother me so much.
02:17:47.000
I think my ulcerative colitis helps keep my weight down.
02:17:50.000
I don't think it's a good thing, but it is what it is.
02:17:54.000
Yeah, because otherwise I'll just eat too much.
02:18:06.000
Everybody's shooting up with this fucking diabetes drug to try to get skinny.
02:18:12.000
It kills your appetite and people drop weight without changing anything else.
02:18:19.000
I believe you've got to lose muscle tissue, everything with it.
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Because you're just not taking in nutrition, so the body's going to waste.
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Yeah, Peter Atiyah, who's a friend of mine who's a doctor, he said he won't prescribe it to anybody unless they're weight training.
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You have to be weight training while you're doing it.
02:18:33.000
Because when you're doing it, they showed that people are losing weight but gaining fat.
02:18:39.000
So they're at a higher percentage of body fat even though their body was losing weight.
02:18:50.000
When you're starving to death, when you're not eating enough, what happens?
02:18:53.000
Your body starts to eat itself and you get smaller.
02:19:21.000
I didn't know what the fuck I was doing my first time.
02:19:24.000
I was getting dehydrated and I... I was sparring and I hit the guy wide and it went right up.
02:19:31.000
I was like, what was it, the Lanny fight, I think?
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But I remember being there and just not eating and people not looking at me good.
02:19:52.000
Remember he had that wrestling match, a jiu-jitsu match with a giant football player?
02:20:03.000
That might have been exactly this time, as a matter of fact.
02:20:10.000
He's funny, man, because he was there for a couple of my fights.
02:20:12.000
He was in my corner for that Delonte fight, but he goes, dude, what are you doing?
02:20:15.000
And I told my guy, I got to make 155 and I'm 160. He goes, dude, you're there.
02:20:24.000
So he actually, I didn't know what the fuck to do.
02:20:26.000
I wrestled like a season, and then I didn't get along with the coaches.
02:20:42.000
And then thank goodness for him because I don't know what would happen.
02:20:46.000
And then I fucked myself up because after that fight on the plane home, I don't know if I did something wrong with the thing.
02:20:56.000
I don't know if it had anything to do with the way I cut the weight.
02:20:59.000
But I remember I got like a, I caught something from that.
02:21:05.000
Like there's a lot of guys who cut weight and get sick.
02:21:12.000
Like a lot of times at UFC, guys are throwing up like in the theater.
02:21:22.000
Yeah, that's so scary that they get on death's door.
02:21:33.000
I think you should just fight at higher weights.
02:21:36.000
If you're struggling to make a weight, you need to go up.
02:21:39.000
Don't you think they should have more weight classes?
02:21:50.000
Especially now when you see guys like Hamzat that make 170. Like, how the fuck?
02:21:54.000
I just had Mike Milan on my show the other day.
02:22:01.000
Yeah, these guys at that weight class, at 170, these are 200-pound guys.
02:22:07.000
I mean, you can't be small for that weight class with a guy like Kamaru.
02:22:11.000
But if we had every 10 pounds, I think it evens it out better.
02:22:15.000
I think 55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 205, maybe 225, and then heavyweight.
02:22:22.000
And I don't think heavyweight should be 265. I think that's ridiculous.
02:22:26.000
I think heavyweight should be, what the fuck do you weigh?
02:23:23.000
He weighed 310 pounds in value of one, a widely disputed majority decision.
02:23:29.000
Most people thought that Evander should have won that fight.
02:23:31.000
Evander was 46. Oh, the WBA had to investigate the decision.
02:23:50.000
And afterwards, he's acting like he beat Holyfield in his...
02:23:57.000
But also, Holyfield, if he knocked him out, he'd be celebrating.
02:24:02.000
If Holyfield knocked out Vitor, he'd be celebrating.
02:24:04.000
Yeah, because he's fighting a youngster, and he's fucking 60. I'd be fucking doing call wheels.
02:24:08.000
You're right, but also, you know, it is a fight.
02:24:12.000
It is a fight, but he's fighting a 60-year-old.
02:24:15.000
Right, but if Holyfield could have caught him and knocked him out, he would have knocked Vitor out, and he would have celebrated.
02:24:28.000
And, you know, Vitor's in his 40s and all the Mexican supplements.
02:24:33.000
But that's when I knew we were living in a parallel universe, is when Donald Trump was like the commentator for that.
02:24:41.000
I don't know if it was commentary, but it was somewhere on a broadcasting of Vitor Belfort, Evander Holyfield boxing match.
02:25:16.000
Luke Rockhold said when he saw him when they were at the Wayne, he was like, what the fuck is this guy on?
02:25:25.000
Because he had all the age and wisdom and experience, but then he had a body that moved like a super athlete.
02:25:33.000
Remember with Rockhold, he's throwing wheel kicks and shit?
02:25:36.000
Yeah, the difference between USADA and no USADA. That is a crazy difference.
02:25:43.000
Well, the worst was when he fought Weidman, because when he fought Weidman, he was right off of it.
02:26:32.000
Go cold turkey off TRT. Your body's been living off of it for years.
02:26:37.000
And now your body's not producing testosterone correctly anymore.
02:26:40.000
And then fight the world champion Chris Weidman, who's natural and a fucking monster.
02:26:56.000
I mean, I know he probably took it because he wanted to fight for the title, but there's no way your body is working at an optimum state after all those years of being on that.
02:27:06.000
He's not making any friends with that haircut either.
02:27:14.000
I mean, didn't he have that haircut when you fought Bisping?
02:27:29.000
It still was a good fight until Wyman got him down.
02:27:35.000
I mean, he's going for broke against Weidman, which is very dangerous.
02:27:39.000
Because if you gas out, this motherfucker never does.
02:27:55.000
If your body's not making testosterone, there's no way you can sustain the way he did at his prime.
02:28:02.000
But that's the way you take that fight anyway, really.
02:28:03.000
If you know you're taking on short notice, you just go for broke, and then when you gas out, you just quit.
02:28:10.000
He didn't just gas out, he got the fuck beat out.
02:28:15.000
When you had TRT, Vitor, then what do we call Vitor when he came on the scene and he was like 225 jacked?
02:28:22.000
Well, the first fight he was like 200. Like when he fought a tank.
02:28:28.000
What was crazy was when he got up to fight Randy Couture.
02:28:32.000
So the Randy Couture fight was like 240. He was giant.
02:28:51.000
I think they're making another Expendables movie.
02:28:58.000
I think 50 Cent's going to be in it too, I think.
02:29:34.000
That's it, up in the upper right-hand corner of the small photos.
02:29:38.000
So that's V2. That's the first time they fought because Randy was wearing shoes.
02:29:56.000
He was hanging out with this dude that was like his weightlifting coach.
02:30:07.000
And the guy he was hanging with, I don't know if he was, I don't think he was a Brazilian guy.
02:30:25.000
And you're like, that's Vitor's weightlifting coach?
02:30:30.000
When he beat Vanderlei Silva, No, no, that's Anderson's guy.
02:30:41.000
And I think Homeboy was like 60 in this picture.
02:30:53.000
Vitor's guy, I don't think there's photos of him because we're talking about like the 90s.
02:31:16.000
It's a crazy thing when you think about the early days of the UFC because what you were talking about pre-USADA and post-USADA, you know, you guys fought clean, but what percentage didn't?
02:31:27.000
I wonder how many guys I fought that were fucking pissing dirty.
02:31:55.000
Yeah, so that was a dude who was training Vitor.
02:32:01.000
But, you know, they had like a different idea of like strength training back then.
02:32:15.000
I never even did heavy weights at all when I was fighting.
02:32:19.000
Longo would just put me through the calisthenics and plyometrics and all that kind of stuff.
02:32:26.000
Did you do kettlebells or anything with weights?
02:32:29.000
Towards the end, we started messing with some kettlebell stuff, but not too much.
02:32:40.000
There's times where, like a workout now, something to keep me in shape.
02:32:51.000
I'll do 20 pushups, and I put my fist under him.
02:32:55.000
He has to touch the fist, so that way you're not cheating.
02:32:58.000
He does 20, 15, 15, 10, 10, 5, 5, and then back up.
02:33:05.000
So instead of doing 100 pushups straight, It's not, that can be annoying and fucking whatever.
02:33:10.000
This way, but when you're coming back up to the last 20, it's annoying.
02:33:16.000
And then if I'm doing it by myself, I'll do 20, turnover, 20 squat, 20 sit-ups, 50, I do it that way.
02:33:24.000
And again, this is not the whole workout, but this is what I do after my jiu-jitsu training, so it's how many push-ups I get a week in.
02:33:41.000
Because there was some study done, I think it was a Japanese study, about elevating your testosterone and also increasing your ability to do work.
02:33:48.000
Because your body's like, you kill all the inflammation very quickly in the beginning, and then you warm your body up.
02:33:54.000
So some guys like to do it on they like to get on the echo bike, but I find like bodyweight squats and push-ups It's like I have to do them anyway.
02:34:01.000
I do a hundred every day anyway So that's a good way to warm up.
02:34:04.000
So by the time I do five sets of 20 Everything's warmed up and then I could do other shit See, the cold plunge, my ears suck, man.
02:34:18.000
Now, how long did it take you before you were able to do that?
02:34:28.000
It was so cold, but then I realized I'm just freaking out and just relax and do breathing exercise.
02:34:34.000
So the next time I did it, I did like four and a half, and then I wanted to see how long I could do it.
02:34:53.000
With the windows rolled up, no AC on, and I was freezing.
02:35:03.000
And it was 90 degrees outside, and the windows were rolled up, and I had no AC on.
02:35:11.000
I just went to five minutes, and I said, let's see if I can go to 10. Then I went to 10 minutes, and I said, I think I can make 15. Then I got to 15, and I'm like, 20 is only five minutes away.
02:35:21.000
Next thing I know, I got to 20. And when I got out, and I did the whole thing on Instagram, so I could...
02:35:25.000
So I wanted to make sure that I was really doing it.
02:35:27.000
But when I got out, I was like, that was not a good idea.
02:35:35.000
But I'm doing these breathing exercises while I'm doing it.
02:35:38.000
And that keeps your core heated up at least a little bit.
02:35:42.000
You know how they always say that, they always contradict themselves.
02:35:45.000
One second this thing's good for you, the next second it's bad for you.
02:35:48.000
What if you're really killing yourself right now?
02:35:49.000
What if they find out that this ice thing killed off the fucking caveman?
02:35:57.000
20 minutes is definitely not good for you, and it probably harms you.
02:36:00.000
But doing it three minutes at a time, it ramps up your dopamine by 200%, it lasts for hours.
02:36:19.000
Then I'll do all my warm-up shit out in the sun.
02:36:21.000
I'll do my push-ups and my bodyweight squats out in the sun.
02:36:25.000
Get the sunlight, feel good, get a little bit of a sweat going by the end of 100, and then I start working out.
02:36:33.000
You fucking jump out, it's a little fucking cold.
02:36:39.000
But it's not for everybody, but for me, it feels good.
02:36:53.000
So I'll hop in that motherfucker after my workouts.
02:36:56.000
Let me ask you, man, because I love, I start my day with a nice steam.
02:37:05.000
So the thing is, it's all about heat shock proteins.
02:37:08.000
It's all about your body responding to the fact that it's dying.
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You're in an extreme situation where your body's like, holy fuck.
02:37:14.000
So your body starts producing all these cytokines, all these anti-inflammatory heat shock proteins.
02:37:20.000
And the study they did out of Finland, they did a study where they studied people over 20 years.
02:37:26.000
Find out how many people in that Finland study.
02:37:27.000
So after 20 years, they found out the people that did it four times per week, they had a 40% decrease of all-cause mortality.
02:37:37.000
40% decrease in heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything.
02:37:41.000
And this was, they think, directly connected to these heat shock proteins and the use of the sauna on a regular basis, four times a week, 20 minutes at a time.
02:37:50.000
So, 2,300 middle-aged men for an average of 20 years.
02:37:54.000
They categorized them into the three groups according to how often they used the sauna each week.
02:37:57.000
The men spent an average of 14 minutes per visit baking at 175 degrees Fahrenheit.
02:38:03.000
Over the course of the study, 49% of the men who went to the sauna once a week died, compared to 38% of one The ones who went two to three times a week and just 31% of those who went four to seven times a week.
02:38:16.000
Frequent visits to a sauna were associated with lower death rates from cardiovascular disease and stroke.
02:38:22.000
And the results don't surprise Dr. Thomas H. Lee, cardiologist at Harvard-affiliated Brigham and Women's Hospital and founding editor of the Harvard Heart Letter.
02:38:30.000
The cardiovascular effects of sauna have been well documented in the past.
02:38:33.000
It lowers blood pressure and there is every reason to believe that its effects are good for blood vessels.
02:38:51.000
He said, the results aren't applicable to steam baths in hot tubs.
02:38:55.000
Finished saunas are wood-lined room and specifically heated to a stove topped with stones.
02:39:01.000
All the sauna bathers periodically add water to the stones to produce a vapor known as loyly?
02:39:15.000
But they throw, like, eucalyptus oil in there and shit and throw it on the rocks.
02:39:20.000
But the key is, like, you do it, it increases your cardio.
02:39:23.000
Like, Dan Gable talked about how he figured it out from wrestlers.
02:39:28.000
And they realized it was an integral part of their training to do sauna afterwards.
02:39:35.000
So if I do a hard workout like say if I do like rounds in the back I'll go straight into the sauna and my heart is already you know 120 something beats per second after I get the gloves off and I sit in there and it just is 185 degrees and your heart rate gets back to 147 and just stays there when you're sitting there you're sitting there suffering so you do that for 20 minutes it's like 20 minutes of cardio but also all the heat shock benefits and when you come out of that you feel fucking great So wait a minute.
02:40:05.000
So in the morning you should do the cold stuff and then like in the afternoon do the sauna.
02:40:09.000
The way I do it, it depends on how much time I have.
02:40:13.000
That's my favorite way because it makes me sleep good.
02:40:15.000
But I also like to do it at the end of a hard workout.
02:40:21.000
And then I have to heat my body back up until I can really work out.
02:40:25.000
Then I work out and then when I'm done working out, then when I'm all sweaty, then I hop in the sauna.
02:40:30.000
I mean, it makes sense, because if you do the cold after, it kind of defeats the purpose of the workout.
02:40:36.000
But for people who do cardio, especially if you're doing hard jiu-jitsu, it may be a good move to do it afterwards.
02:40:49.000
Like Eddie Bravo said, when he had that rematch with Hoyler Gracie, he said, there's no way I would have been able to train like that without cryo.
02:40:55.000
He goes, he was just doing cryo sessions after every workout.
02:41:00.000
Yeah, you freeze your dick off like 250 degrees below zero for three minutes.
02:41:23.000
When you guys are here, I've got to get you to ways to well.
02:41:25.000
Get you into ways to well to do an extensive blood panel on you and find out what your nutrient levels are.
02:41:33.000
That's why I wanted to know if you've got real good blood work done.
02:41:38.000
They'll do an analysis of your blood work and all the different things they test for.
02:42:01.000
I was low in DHEA. I didn't realize how dehydrated I got from the sauna.
02:42:08.000
Because one time I went straight there to get my blood drawn after the sauna.
02:42:11.000
And they're like, bro, you're fucking dehydrated.
02:42:18.000
But after that, I doubled and tripled up to the point where it was a problem during podcasts.
02:42:39.000
I had a habit of doing that forever, so I kept doing it when I was married.
02:42:50.000
My wife, after a little bit, she goes, look, this is not happening.
02:42:56.000
My mother-in-law was over cleaning, but my wife, And she's like, I gotta...
02:43:05.000
My mom-in-law had my Snapple bottle full of piss.
02:43:31.000
And I guess women will say that about men, too.
02:44:04.000
You think about some paths you could have went down.
02:44:14.000
Just think about street fights you got in when you were a kid.
02:44:17.000
How many people do you know that got in street fights where somebody could have died?
02:44:23.000
Kevin James worked as a bouncer with this guy in Long Island.
02:44:28.000
The guy fell just like fucking Steve-O. Hit his head.
02:44:38.000
See, Matt, that's why I'll be keeping you out of trouble.
02:44:40.000
Every time we go up, Matt, I almost get in trouble.
02:44:45.000
Well, if they see your nails and they're like, there's nails.
02:44:51.000
This is what everybody's gonna take out of this.
02:44:54.000
They're like, hey, fuckface, look at your nails.
02:45:00.000
I love that you're still rolling though, even with your knee replacement.
02:45:07.000
Because when you hear about people getting knee replacements, I don't really hear too much about jujitsu guys doing that.
02:45:15.000
When me and you did the episode when you had to catch the ball and I was sitting out...
02:45:26.000
The reason why I put off the knee so long, I had my knee surgery.
02:45:31.000
Is this the same knee that you had injured when you said you tore your meniscus before the caro fight?
02:45:40.000
I was supposed to get both my knees done, but I'm not getting the other one done right away because, you know, I have fucking...
02:45:49.000
It passed the test of, for years, when I'd go to the Disney and Universal, I'd have to get a motorized cart, you know?
02:45:56.000
I took some edibles, and wee, I'm mipping around.
02:46:07.000
So the last time we went with my family, I'm like, yo, this is...
02:46:11.000
I know it sounds simple, but I'm like, yo, this is fucking great.
02:46:15.000
Now I don't feel like a fatty with a big drumstick.
02:46:24.000
Does it feel like you, or does it feel like something moving with you?
02:46:32.000
I feel, because it's titanium, if someone went to kick me, I could use that to fucking block it.
02:46:51.000
And they told you no restrictions on any movements or anything?
02:46:54.000
Well, before I went in, he said that it's like an 80% chance that you'll be able to do everything you want to do.
02:47:01.000
I guess they don't want to maybe get your hopes up too high.
02:47:03.000
And you're different than most people, too, though.
02:47:05.000
And most people that get knee replacements are not elite athletes.
02:47:09.000
I think they told me that most people, when they go into...
02:47:16.000
I'd like to give him a shout out because he got me back.
02:47:18.000
And I felt good comfortable with him because he was reassuring me.
02:47:22.000
Being a purple belt in jiu-jitsu, he knew what I had to do.
02:47:29.000
He goes, Matt, the problem is when they do these, like, whatever, that you ask people about, are they able to move their knee the way they were before?
02:47:36.000
A lot of times when they go into the surgery, they can't bend that shit.
02:47:44.000
Like, I could touch my knee, my foot close to my butt.
02:47:50.000
They told you, like, essentially it's permanent?
02:47:57.000
Uh, I think the thing was the shelf life was, what, about the 30 years?
02:48:09.000
But, uh, what happened was, like, my other, like, you could see behind this, I was getting baked.
02:48:22.000
But what I was getting was, that's called a baker's cyst.
02:48:29.000
So what happened is, when you have bone-on-bone, it gets inflammation and fluid, and it ends up going to the back of the knee.
02:48:45.000
They don't want you to do it too often because they put in a...
02:48:51.000
And they say that'll fuck up the knee, but I have to get a new knee anyway, so I don't give a fuck.
02:48:58.000
You know, but what happens is it blows back up soon.
02:49:03.000
I would try to keep a tight sleeve on it, but it would just fill back up.
02:49:06.000
They try to shoot it with the cortisone so it doesn't come back, but it comes back.
02:49:12.000
So eventually you're going to have to get that one done.
02:49:30.000
But he's still, like, he's training and all that stuff.
02:49:36.000
The only thing I fucked up with, and I told you that earlier off-air, is that I tore my quad, and that's a little annoying.
02:49:49.000
Like, 20% of it, like, in the front of it, so, like, if I bend my knee, sometimes it'll...
02:49:59.000
You're supposed to step down with your bad leg off regular steps.
02:50:02.000
I did it from too high off a couch because I went to do those short jokes you cocksucker.
02:50:16.000
So, when I went to step down, I did it with my bad leg, and it fucking ripped.
02:50:26.000
Was there an option to get it surgically reattached?
02:50:28.000
Well, I went to my PT guy, and he goes, Oh, you tore that thing.
02:50:39.000
So maybe it helped with the pain, but it was fucking painful.
02:50:43.000
And then I noticed, I didn't know it was deformed.
02:50:46.000
And then he looked, he goes, look, man, if there's like 100 fibers in your leg, you tore like 20% of them or something.
02:51:04.000
I mean, I had a buddy that had his quad detached and they reattached it and everything.
02:51:09.000
I heard of a dude who got his quad detached from a leg kick.
02:51:13.000
The leg kick was so severe that it sliced the quad.
02:51:28.000
How many of those videos do you see where guys' legs explode while they're doing deep squats?
02:51:37.000
The weight training, I got too much ADD for that.
02:51:49.000
But I could fucking start daydreaming and I'm gonna fucking break a leg or something.
02:52:01.000
I said he does more plyometric, gymnastic, type stuff.
02:52:04.000
But think about those guys that, first of all, look at the guys who do the rings in the Olympics.
02:52:14.000
But super jacked arms, man, when they do that shit.
02:52:29.000
Look at the fucking build on these motherfuckers.
02:52:35.000
I said, if he's gymnast, learn jiu-jitsu, it's gonna be bad.
02:52:45.000
Any sport you do with your socks only on, it's kind of ridiculous.
02:52:57.000
That's a ridiculous kind of power to do that cross.
02:53:02.000
Yeah, so think about like those, go to those Bar Stars guys, because there's these dudes who do, and you know, there's guys, some of these guys are like in their 60s that are doing these workouts.
02:53:11.000
There's this one Russian cat who does these on Instagram, and he's like 58 years old, and he does all these wild playground workouts.
02:53:21.000
He must have been like, at one point in time, he must have been some, you know, Russian Olympic rings guy or something like that, or some, look at these fucking guys.
02:53:38.000
You just gotta be willing to do some evil shit to yourself.
02:53:48.000
But it's an interesting sort of, like, test case on strength and conditioning programs.
02:53:55.000
I mean, if you can do that, like, what are you in the gym for?
02:53:59.000
But the thing is, it's like, how much would that help your jiu-jitsu?
02:54:03.000
Oh, I think that's probably even more, because it's like so many different movements all at once.
02:54:23.000
Oh, that's us, talking about how awesome they are.
02:54:28.000
I'm so impressed with people that could do that.
02:54:56.000
He's talking to me about the cartoons and everything.
02:55:07.000
So what about that UFO or the little alien that was in Vegas?
02:55:13.000
He said it was like eight foot tall, nine foot tall.
02:55:21.000
If an alien spacecraft did land in your backyard and a 10-foot dude got out and you see him and you don't get your phone up in time because you're mesmerized and it just takes off, like, what happened?
02:55:33.000
Okay, even if it is real, are you going to tell people?
02:55:36.000
Even if you tell people, no one's going to believe you, so you're stuck in this spot.
02:55:44.000
But I do know that George Knapp, who's like the most prominent investigative reporter in Las Vegas for UFOs, he's the guy that broke the Bob Lazar case back in the late 1980s.
02:55:56.000
That was the guy who claimed to have back-engineered UFOs, and it's a very interesting story.
02:56:03.000
They made an appointment on, I think it was two different occasions.
02:56:05.000
When he went to their house, they didn't answer the door.
02:56:08.000
Yeah, but it also could be they don't want the smoke.
02:56:15.000
All of a sudden, everyone's calling you a liar, and then everyone knows where your house is, and then people come by, show me the backyard!
02:56:22.000
I mean, it probably would have freaked them out.
02:56:26.000
On the subject, behind you, because I can't unlook at it, who is this individual getting summoned up there?
02:56:33.000
I think it's supposed to be me getting sucked up into a spaceship.
02:56:41.000
I thought it was like a Mongolian dude or something.
02:56:50.000
I think that's supposed to be me getting sucked up into the spaceship.
02:56:54.000
Yeah, this was a gift by Brigham, my friend Brigham.
02:56:58.000
And so it was so cool, we decided, there it is, you can see it on that image.
02:57:02.000
But then we decided it was so cool, it would be cool behind me.
02:57:17.000
I just know this because I was a huge fan of the Norm MacDonald podcast with Adam Egott.
02:57:31.000
Yeah, and the only reason I know that name is because they had such...
02:57:34.000
Did you guys ever see the old Norm Macdonald podcast?
02:57:41.000
The Netflix one's alright, but this was so funny.
02:57:50.000
He could be a comic if he wanted to be a comic, but he's a great talent coordinator.
02:58:03.000
He was the one guy that I continually just watch and not feel...
02:58:07.000
Sometimes when I watch stand-up comedy, I get nervous for the stand-up TV. Like, I don't know.
02:58:15.000
Yeah, I don't know what it is, but I never got nervous with that guy.
02:58:26.000
No, I think you're thinking if Eve Edwards did it.
02:58:36.000
Where Nick the Tooth fucking walked off the show and we needed somebody.
02:58:45.000
Nick the Tooth thought that everybody else wasn't really getting tased or something.
02:58:50.000
Now, Nick the Tooth, when we were doing the show...
02:58:56.000
He was kind of goofy, but he was funny, you know?
02:58:59.000
But then you'd go back and you'd watch the episode and see him talking to the camera, saying all sorts of shit.
02:59:06.000
One, somebody told him, we all got locked hands together in one of the episodes, me, Dana, and Nick, and they had us, they tased us.
02:59:24.000
And somebody told him that, oh, the way they did it, they really fucked you, man.
02:59:29.000
You got more of the voltage than some bullshit.
02:59:37.000
And then another thing was him saying that we set him up with me and him doing a grappling match, which was fucking the furthest thing from the truth.
02:59:46.000
I remember when I first started shooting the show, I was a little chubbier, so I think he thought I was on the couch.
02:59:53.000
He won some, like, the old man worlds and whatever it was.
03:00:04.000
So I was watching after the first episode, you know, I was watching the thing, and all of a sudden I see him going, oh, Matt makes me look good.
03:00:21.000
I didn't know what the hell he was thinking of.
03:00:23.000
So when I see him the next time, we're on Danish Jet.
03:00:35.000
Because I'm like, dude, I went with the best in the world.
03:00:43.000
Doing the show, and then we were in a jiu-jitsu gym in Alaska.
03:00:47.000
So I go, hey man, fucking, now listen, if anybody had anything to lose, imagine I slip and the motherfucker gets a barambolo on me, and I would have something to lose, losing to this knucklehead.
03:00:57.000
But no, of course, you know, I had my way with him.
03:01:00.000
So, you know, afterwards, Dana goofed on him a bunch, you know.
03:01:09.000
And this is the first time I knew there was some kind of problem.
03:01:11.000
Hey, Matt, you know, it was an honor, this and that.
03:01:14.000
I just have to let you know that I can't let that footage be shown.
03:01:18.000
You know, it looked bad for my instructors and this and that.
03:01:25.000
I go today and I go, hey, man, I know you're friends with him.
03:01:28.000
What kind of power does this guy have to say that this shit's not going to be on the fucking air?
03:01:32.000
He goes, not only is that going to be fucking shown, wait till you listen to my fucking commentary.
03:01:37.000
Dana goes, not only is that going to be shown, I think he thought he was being set up, but it was nothing like that at all.
03:01:45.000
So he was a little bit of a weird dude with that.
03:01:51.000
Some guys, I think, on the camera, I think they're a little insecure with how they are portrayed.
03:01:56.000
But it was a weird thing because he was acting wacky, but then he's getting upset that he's being portrayed wacky.
03:02:01.000
So it's like, dude, what the fuck are you talking about?
03:02:03.000
So then he ended up getting to a fucking pushing match with Dana or something at a concert.
03:02:15.000
Went up to him and asked him, like, what was it like to roll with Matt?
03:02:30.000
We were celebrating our anniversary in Vegas, and we were going to go from there to L.A. to shoot this episode.
03:02:35.000
And then fucking Dana called me to the office, and we were like, yo, we're...
03:02:43.000
We were booked at that, where did we do the Laugh Factory?
03:02:47.000
So, I'm not saying, I'm not saying you owe it all to me.
03:02:53.000
But there was one name that popped into my name.
03:02:56.000
The first name, I go to Dean, I go to fucking, I go, what about Dean Thomas?
03:03:11.000
And then I have a whole other with Adam Hunter a few times.
03:03:15.000
I ain't gonna lie, he used the N-wear as a crutch a little bit.
03:03:28.000
Look at Matt up there, Brian Callens in the audience.
03:03:36.000
I told the people in the rafters, too, I'll climb up there, bite your fucking neck!
03:04:04.000
They're doing everything you're not supposed to do.
03:04:11.000
Yeah, wounded seals to draw the sharks out while we were in the water.
03:04:17.000
The best is the cameraman on the other boat, right?
03:04:22.000
He goes, they said, some of the guys in the boat with him, they go, sooner or later, something's gonna go wrong.
03:04:28.000
These are producers coming up with these ideas, right?
03:04:40.000
When I looked underneath, how many people could say, there was a cage?
03:04:56.000
Yeah, they were just fucking with us to get us to do it.
03:04:59.000
Just because you can do something doesn't mean...
03:05:02.000
Just because you could pay for an experience doesn't mean you're not going to die.
03:05:12.000
The inventor of the fucking submarine was on it when it imploded.
03:05:16.000
The crazy thing is that they knew it happened and held it back for five days.
03:05:23.000
Personally, I mean, I'm a good conspiracy theory guy.
03:05:27.000
I think there's so much drama going on with the president and his son, this was something to keep the headlines for a few days, because that's right when he got indicted.
03:05:41.000
That was a good one, though, too, for like four days.
03:05:49.000
They said they heard it, because the government apparently...
03:05:54.000
They had to sort of admit that they have a top-secret acoustic surveillance system.
03:06:01.000
Are you just admitting it just because you know that there was an implosion?
03:06:06.000
Like, why would you admit that you have a top-secret system?
03:06:13.000
I mean, he was the one that said, I knew the Navy heard it, you know, they lost comms at the same time they heard the audible bang.
03:06:20.000
I'll tell you right now, I wouldn't have done it.
03:06:22.000
Look at that, a top-secret military acoustic detection system.
03:06:34.000
He went, what, three times as deep as they did?
03:06:44.000
Yeah, and they were controlling it with a Logitech remote controller.
03:06:50.000
Like, there's a lot of whistleblowers that were saying that that hull is not withstood, it can't withstand that kind of depth.
03:07:00.000
The guy said at least if it was woven, it might have worked.
03:07:10.000
Back to the shark thing, did you see out of Egypt that guy get beaten by the shark?
03:07:23.000
In the background they're playing Stand By Me or some shit.
03:07:29.000
If I seen that before, I wouldn't have done the episode.
03:07:33.000
Dude, I looked down when we were in that water, and I saw a fucking shark looking up at me.
03:07:39.000
I got the fuck out of there, because I don't swim.
03:07:51.000
There were some people recently in Hawaii where the husband and the wife were snorkeling, and the husband gets his head out of the water, and they're screaming, get out of the water, get out of the water.
03:08:03.000
A shark that was eating his wife while they're screaming at him to get out of the water.
03:08:09.000
Tiger shark, yeah, but they never found the wife.
03:08:14.000
My friend Duncan was in Hawaii and it happened like the week before he was there.
03:08:20.000
The week before or the week after, I forget which, but like real close, where he was like, I was in that fucking water.
03:08:28.000
You can't swim, and you jumped off a fucking cliff into water.
03:08:40.000
Because the impact, like if you hit the water without that, it'll crush your chest.
03:08:55.000
I know a guy who fucked his back up for life doing that.
03:08:59.000
He landed bad, blew one of his discs completely apart.
03:09:11.000
I don't know, but I'm in better shape now than my shirt off.
03:09:14.000
If you want to see me take my shirt off now, I'll show you.
03:09:37.000
All these other people did it and he didn't do it.
03:09:51.000
Now, first of all, he was breaking your balls before that.
03:09:59.000
And Dean's starting to be like, well, he took balls just to get up there.
03:10:30.000
But, hey, but, just to give him a compliment so I don't get fired.
03:10:49.000
Much better to jump off that cliff than to get on the back of a bull.
03:11:27.000
That could have crushed his hips, ruined his organs.
03:11:34.000
The fucking helmet couldn't fit me, so I was chubby.
03:11:41.000
It wasn't a bull riding episode, but his shoulder, he said, he had eight operations.
03:11:47.000
He's like, I can't hold on to anything with this.
03:12:40.000
And again, you're hanging out with your buddies.
03:12:41.000
The worst was Matt didn't even realize that we did it here in Austin a couple years ago.
03:12:51.000
Listen, I'm so happy you came out because Dean didn't think you'd come out.
03:13:13.000
People are making a lot of money on Twitch, and I just do it for free.
03:13:16.000
I'm like, you could be making money with my VR. Eventually.
03:13:29.000
The secret to our success, I think, in everything we do, Dean Thomas, even when you do the show with me, I think if we're having fun, everybody's having fun.
03:13:40.000
If you're enjoying it, other people are enjoying it.
03:13:51.000
It's called Ground Control, and it's groundcontrolbaltimar.com.
03:14:01.000
Dean Thomas, when are you going to be doing commentary next to us?
03:14:10.000
I like sitting behind you guys and just chiming in every so often.
03:14:16.000
I just like sitting in and chiming in every so often.
03:14:24.000
Tell the people, watch After Tough Tomorrow Night after Tough 31. You got so many jobs.
03:14:31.000
I do the post show for the Ultimate Fighter show.
03:14:41.000
Sometimes I have to do some shit with my family.
03:14:44.000
Yeah, I love it that it just streams around your phone.
03:14:57.000
Especially going back to the John Rollo days when I first met you.
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When he beat George for the title, we had a house full of people.
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And when he dropped him, I was like this close to the TV. I'm yelling at it.
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I felt like I wanted to fight when that happened.
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And Rallo, you know, is a last-minute addition.
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And, you know, I'm just happy for all your success.