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00:01:09.000I'll tell you one thing, and you can tell me if you feel it as a fighter, but there's something about the energy in an arena when you go to a place that really appreciates that you're there.
00:01:25.000They get a little used to the fact that the UFC's there.
00:01:29.000But when you bring it somewhere like Salt Lake City, they get fucking hyped up.
00:01:35.000Those people were there for the first fight of the night the place was packed and there's this wild feeling in the air like everybody's excited.
00:01:42.000Does it, as a fighter, does that affect you?
00:04:18.000They really help guys scientifically cut weight correctly, too, and give them an assessment of whether or not they can do it and be healthy when they're doing it.
00:04:28.000That weight-cutting game is a crazy game, and you got a wild career, man, because you started off at heavyweight, you go down at 205, and now down to 85. Has anybody else done that and been as successful as you?
00:08:18.000And portion sizes, again, for me is important.
00:08:20.000The work output, as long as I'm going to the gym making my appointments that I've made for myself and I'm going to the gym twice a day, I burn it off and I sweat off a lot too, you know?
00:08:30.000So I can, as long as I got at least four weeks, I can make it happen.
00:12:05.000No way no no no no no no no no no no no no no he was in town for the fights just to watch and But you couldn't believe how big he was, and then he would make it down to 170. Wow.
00:12:19.000Even if that was fine, that would explain some of his missed weight cuts, showing up to fight week at 230. Yeah.
00:12:27.000I don't think the UFC now would allow something like that to happen, a fight like that to go on.
00:12:32.000Well, there's so much more, you know, there's some more eyes on the fighters' behavior and what they're allowed to do and not allowed to do.
00:12:40.000Which I think there's a lot of it, like I was having a conversation with Jeff Nowitzki about it, like that they are trying to introduce things like peptides.
00:12:50.000And allow fighters to use things that help them heal from injuries, give them exemptions for things like that, because it's only beneficial to the fighter and their ability to heal from injuries.
00:13:02.000A lot of people, at least anecdotally, there are some studies on BPC-157 I don't know what the full date is, but I know that the doctors that I work with and the people that I know believe in it a lot.
00:13:14.000And it used to be legal for UFC fighters.
00:13:59.000Because I see some guys, they take it so seriously.
00:14:02.000They have stacked up Tupperware containers that they get from a company and it measures out all the carbs and the protein and it writes it down, 50 grams of carbs.
00:14:11.000We got guys like that in the gym too, you know?
00:14:14.000I think that's more of a convenience thing.
00:14:18.000You don't have to stand over the stove for 30 minutes to an hour and a half cooking and preparing food and stuff like that.
00:14:23.000Whenever I think about people that do stuff like this, I think about Fedor.
00:14:55.000And he was talking about how Fedor was his favorite fighter, and he was recalling this moment Where Kevin Randleman suplexed him and threw him on his neck.
00:19:08.000I was just having a conversation with a friend of mine about how people today, everything they do today, they get a chance to see all the people who've done it before, and it helps you get better.
00:19:21.000If you want to watch MMA fights, in 1993, when the UFC 1 was around, you couldn't see anything.
00:22:25.000But anyway, I saw the fight and it didn't really peak my interest at the time, but I was interested in it because I respected the competitive aspect of it.
00:22:35.000I definitely loved martial arts and I was just seeing these people fight and stuff, but I didn't see myself training at the time.
00:22:42.000At that time, again, I was transitioning from college to the army.
00:22:48.000So when I get into the Army, they have a Modern Army combattance program, which is like basic white belt jiu-jitsu, you know, minus a lot of the stuff that we do in actual jiu-jitsu.
00:22:59.000But once I got my first hands-on experience with the martial arts, I was like, ooh, this is something I need to do with my vessel, with my body.
00:23:16.000But all the martial arts stuff, you know, it interests me and stuff.
00:23:20.000On top of that, my daddy, whenever I would go and visit him, he has a gym in his garage, a boxing bag, and me and my brothers would throw the gloves on and play around, not really taking it seriously as a martial artist, you know?
00:23:33.000But once I did it in the army, I knew this is something that I need to do with my vessel, something I have to throw myself, I have to ingrain into myself.
00:23:51.000And then luckily in AIT, we had my AIT phase, which is our training phase for our job in the military.
00:24:00.000My AIT phase, one of my drill sergeants was like a level three combatives, had like a level three proficiency at combatives.
00:24:09.000I think it goes like one to four or five or something like that.
00:24:12.000And there was a battalion combatives tournament.
00:24:17.000That I could participate in, you know what I mean?
00:24:19.000So we were training for like a month, month and a half, maybe two months of training basic white belt jujitsu for the Modern Army Combatives thing.
00:24:34.000I was applying my mental capacities to something that I wanted to apply to, not something that I was ordered to apply to or something I was trained to apply to.
00:27:20.000Teach them MMA. It's not that there's anything wrong with Taekwondo, but if you're going to train someone to fight, why would you remove elbows?
00:27:32.000Some dudes, when you watch like elbow masters, you know, dudes like John Wayne Parr, dudes who know how to slice people up, you know, Sanchai, guys you just know how to step in and smash people with elbows.
00:30:03.000Damn, a lot of great fights in Strikeforce.
00:30:06.000Strikeforce was one of the few organizations where you could absolutely say that it stood neck and neck with some of the best UFC fights at the time.
00:30:16.000Yeah, you know like when Nate Diaz or when Nick Diaz was running shit over there when he had that fight with Cyborg like when Nick Diaz had that That crazy fight with Paul Daly Insane fight with Paul Daly and then with Frank Shamrock and Robbie Lawler Yeah, Robbie Lawler fighting Melvin Manhoff over there.
00:30:38.000See, you could say that when Luke Rockhold was the champ over there and then became the champ in the UFC, you could say that the level of fighter in Strikeforce at the very peak...
00:31:38.000Yeah, it's interesting if you go back and watch the first UFC and if someone did like an analysis, like some egghead did an analysis of like what percentage better are elite athletes today.
00:32:13.000I mean, it's so accelerated right now.
00:32:16.000I mean, nobody's really focusing on it, you know?
00:32:19.000How many of us are focused on combining all this stuff and progressing it to the level?
00:32:27.000And then it's only going to get so far because you can only test it out against the current level of competition out there.
00:32:34.000So there are factors, limiting factors, but if we all focused on a certain thing as opposed to If it was like a collective consciousness focusing on it, like a think tank or some shit like that, I think we could speed it up, you know?
00:33:06.000I would say with people focusing on it, like you got different experts at different fields, testing shit, trials and trial and error and stuff like that, you know, how science works, right?
00:33:18.000You get a bunch of ideas together, you test them out, you see, you document the results.
00:34:19.000And it's like some of the best fighters are not necessarily the most balanced where they're great at everything, but they're so good at one thing that they can impose that, whether it's grappling or whether it's striking.
00:35:10.000He was in front of you, and then he was to the side of you, and then he was kicking you, and then he was shoving you, and then he was fucking dropping punches down on you, and then he had your back.
00:35:36.000And he was another one of those guys that was like early on he was fighting in MMA. He fought Pat Militech.
00:35:43.000In an MMA fight that I watched, one of those weird organizations that was emerging that we forgot the name of, like World Combat something or another, you know?
00:35:53.000But like that relationship between like a great coach and a fighter, like a DJ and a Matt Hume or, you know, a George St. Pierre and Farah Sahabi, like this kind of relationship that happens with certain athletes, that shit is so important.
00:36:11.000I mean, you've got to have a coach that's going to be able to communicate with you, and then you'll be able to communicate back with your coach.
00:36:17.000So you go from Army combatants, and what is the next gym that you join?
00:36:21.000When do you start taking MMA as a path?
00:36:37.000I use my skills that I acquired in the Army to get a job with the FAA, and I get hired on in Alaska.
00:36:43.000So I relocate up there, me and my wife, and so we relocate up there.
00:36:49.000And as soon as I get up there, I mean, there's a lot of time in between my exit from the Army.
00:36:54.000I exited, what, 2008, December, and I'm in Alaska July 2009. So, in between that time, you know, I just, I found it, I had the bug, so I found the judo gym, you know what I mean?
00:37:07.000I'm broke as a joke right now, you know what I mean?
00:37:10.000I'm on unemployment because I just got out of the military, and my wife is pregnant, you know, we're, we found out two days before we had to clear post that we're pregnant, so, uh...
00:37:19.000It was a pretty harrowing time for us, you know what I mean?
00:37:22.000But I still wanted to train, so I found myself a judo gym.
00:37:26.000And I trained judo for about a month and a half, two months, and tried to pick up as much as I could.
00:37:32.000In between that time, I was applying for the job with the FAA. Eventually, going through all that hiring process of interviews and a bunch of other things, we relocate up to Alaska.
00:37:48.000And as soon as we get settled up there, me and my wife and my newly born daughter...
00:37:54.000I'm looking for a gym, you know what I mean?
00:37:55.000And I find Gracie Baja, Alaska that's up there.
00:37:59.000And I get into it, you know, I start doing jiu-jitsu.
00:38:02.000I'm like 300 pounds, you know what I mean?
00:38:51.000I found out they had a MMA promotion in Alaska, the AFC. So I trained for about a year from like the end of 2009, early 2010 to about early spring.
00:39:08.000It was about March 2011. So where were you getting your striking in?
00:39:44.000Eventually I trickled my way into it and got hooked.
00:39:48.000It caused some friction at first, but me and my wife made the adjustments we needed to, which was either be close to work.
00:39:55.000Me personally, I either have to be close to where I work at or close to the gym, because that's where I'll be spending most of my time at.
00:40:02.000How crazy is it when you think of that moment then, when you first started doing this, when you had to convince your wife, and now you're one of the top middleweights on planet Earth?
00:40:20.000And it's hard to think about it as it being crazy because, you know, I'm in the driver's seat, so it just seems like the road that I've been on, you know what I mean?
00:40:55.000Not only just doing martial art and what you see on the outside, learning how to do a move and, you know, be stronger than the next man, but the internal aspects of it is what really drew me to it, of being a martial artist, you know?
00:41:10.000It makes sense when you watch you fight because you're constantly improving.
00:41:14.000You always are on the path, which I think is very admirable and very difficult to maintain for a lot of fighters, to maintain their enthusiasm for the path.
00:41:43.000It's like we knew that you were elite as a middleweight, but you, even through the fights that you've lost, you come back and you're better.
00:41:57.000And, you know, that's interesting because Coach said it in a very interesting way that once you get to that top level, the improvements are incremental at best.
00:42:40.000But with a big fight like that and a big win, is there also like this feeling like almost like you've leveled up, like you've gone through, like you got affirmation.
00:42:50.000You knew it, you thought you were going to beat him.
00:42:52.000Vittori's one of the best in the division for sure.
00:44:23.000So with him being that big, that's not really that big drastic of an increase when you think about The fact that he may not be as dehydrated as he was at middleweight, but I'm sure he's dropping his weight, especially to get back up to 220. I think when you dehydrate yourself, you can really put down some water.
00:44:49.000And I think when you're a real big guy like he is, the benefits of that weight cut are, without a doubt, I was like 215 when I fought Vittori.
00:45:36.000The most dehydrated I am, I cut the night of late that night so I can just try to go to sleep and then wake up and go to the early weigh-ins.
00:47:49.000But that was a really intriguing fight for me.
00:47:53.000Because I know he's elite, and I know you're elite, but, you know, you just beat Sean Strickland, and then you went right into that fight, and I was like, this will show.
00:48:02.000You know, this will show where he's flying colors, man.
00:52:21.000That's the whole reason why I quit my six-figure job and moved to Phoenix, Arizona.
00:52:26.000But yeah, he had a whizzer on my left arm, and I was passing to the right side, so I cleared his leg, and I went to pass his guard, and I was extended with my left arm, because he had the whizzer, and I went to get strong to collect him up into side control, and as soon as I contracted that peg...
00:53:31.000I've been working out with them, working out there.
00:53:34.000As well as working out at the lab, those two combined, you guys see my cardio, those two combined has really propelled my career.
00:53:43.000But I came back after the peck tear to fight Robert Whittaker, and not a minute into the fight, he throws his patented Reaper combo, one-two head kick, and breaks my left ulna.
00:53:58.000I ended up fighting this guy for, what, another two rounds plus four minutes of the first round with a broken owner and I almost got him too.
00:54:44.000I wouldn't say I was surprised as if he doesn't have the capability to do what he did, but it was still surprising to see it happen, right?
00:55:03.000But to be honest, when I look at that fight, when I was looking at that fight in the lead up to it, that fight went exactly how I thought it could have gone.
00:56:17.000Someone broke it down on Instagram, one of those breakdown sites.
00:56:21.000I forget who it was, whether it was Lawrence Kenshin or one of the other ones.
00:56:24.000But they were talking about his use of the right hand, like stopping Whitaker in the right hook, stopping Whitaker as he was coming forward.
00:56:34.000And that Whitaker has this like leap in style and that, you know, they had figured out the distance for that.
00:56:41.000And that's when he started putting it on him.
01:00:59.000So something that I want to learn, something that I want to dissect and analyze and break down and Not only do it with my mind, but do it with my body as well.
01:01:08.000That's something you can't really do a lot, you know what I'm saying?
01:01:11.000Operate a field of thought with your mind and your body.
01:01:17.000Well, it's also very impressive and very inspirational to people that you're doing it at like, I think you're 39 now?
01:01:25.000Yeah, 39. You're getting better at an elite...
01:02:24.000I think one of the best—I mean, especially a guy like you that's maintained your peak athleticism into your late 30s.
01:02:31.000You don't have the wear and tear that someone who started doing it when they were like 13, 14. But, you know, by the time you're 25, 26, you got— Ten plus years of getting kicked and punched and taken down, your knees twisted and your neck cranked.
01:02:45.000Like, everybody gets banged up within ten years.
01:02:48.000I mean, I had a friend who was 22 when he had his first nerve blockage where his fucking arm wasn't working correctly because his nerves were getting pinched in his neck.
01:06:45.000For me, I like to take energies from all places and try to create this, I don't want to say character, but create this avatar.
01:06:54.000And equip this avatar with all these different perks and stuff that I find admirable, that I find moral, and things that's going to make me a bigger, stronger, better, what am I? A human?
01:07:37.000We have the ability as humans, this is what makes us unique from any other species on this planet, that we have the ability to be an animal.
01:07:47.000Or we can be something better than that.
01:07:49.000We have the ability to be a demon or a devil.
01:07:52.000Or we can be a celestial or a god or a goddess, you know what I mean?
01:07:57.000Not that we would physically embody our definitions of these things.
01:08:01.000These are just conceptualizations, but...
01:08:05.000I think for me, that allows me to take the trajectory of my life and point it to where I want.
01:08:11.000I want to ascend, you know what I mean?
01:08:14.000To use the word that has been so conceptualized, to Godhood.
01:08:19.000And I realize that I'm not the Almighty, but I am living an aspect.
01:08:56.000Do things that nobody else does, which is probably one of the reasons why I joined the Army and do martial arts in the first place, because everybody where I'm from, where I grew up, definitely wasn't joining the Army, and nobody was doing martial arts that I knew of.
01:09:09.000So, I guess I was just born a nonconformist, if you will, and I just like taking the route that I find best suits me.
01:09:40.000Sometimes when you hear someone's philosophy, the way they think about things and the way they approach their life, you go, oh, that's admirable.
01:09:47.000And that's what I just felt when you were saying that.
01:09:51.000I like when someone has a very clear, disciplined sort of view of what their life is and what they're trying to accomplish.
01:10:01.000And you have, especially with this mindset that you have about constant growth, about looking at it like that, like you're always on the path.
01:10:08.000And to approach that as a martial artist and then, you know, be a martial artist while you're still an elite fighter in the UFC. You're still a martial artist and I think that's why you're so good.
01:10:21.000I think that's why you keep getting better too.
01:10:27.000And I think that, you know, there was a lot of people that felt like that was kind of lost, along with all the trash-talking part of the sport, the pro-wrestling style sport, which, you know, I think the first person to do it really good was Chael Sonnen.
01:12:32.000And there was a moment where I was going to call my wife and be like, baby, I just want you to know I love you, but something happening may make our future a little rainy in the future.
01:14:56.000It was Jones-Cormier 1. And they first fought in Vegas.
01:15:01.000So I fought Shawn Jordan on that card.
01:15:04.000And those who don't know Shawn Jordan, I was lucky in my heavyweight career in the UFC. I didn't get to fight any of these 6'4", 6'5", giants, behemoths.
01:15:45.000At LSU. And he played for LSU. I think it was a fullback for them when they, when the Tigers won, when they won a championship way back when.
01:15:52.000When you see a dude who's built like the Hulk and he does a backflip, you're like, what the fuck, man?
01:17:41.000So all these big dudes was on this card, and I'm, you know, standing next to him, walking next to him, and I, you know, I went by knockout in the first round, so I'm a big dog too, you know what I mean?
01:17:54.000I started thinking, not that I was afraid of any of these fools, but for the sake of my career, if I wanted to be able to compete and give myself...
01:18:02.000As best a chance as possible to make this career work.
01:18:38.000I always talk about primetime BJ Penn.
01:18:40.000When BJ Penn was at his best, he was training with Marv Marinovich.
01:18:44.000And Marv Marinovich, I don't want to paraphrase, I don't want to fuck this up, but I'm pretty sure their philosophy was it's more important for strength and conditioning for an elite fighter than even fight training.
01:19:27.000Everything was like high intensity Tabatas and all these different endurance work and all these different things they would do for explosivity and strength and conditioning that's just purely for like your ability to just generate fast twitch muscle fibers and throw them into action for fighting.
01:19:44.000And he was a beast during that time man.
01:19:47.000I dare say he was training with one of my training partners, Rob Emerson.
01:20:17.000He said he just wanted to work on efficiency and fight training.
01:20:19.000So he was just constantly training fight specific stuff.
01:20:22.000He didn't do any of the gymnastics stuff either?
01:20:24.000When he got to a certain point in his career, he was incorporating gymnastics at one point in time.
01:20:30.000But I think towards the end, maybe he did a little bit of that still, but I think towards the end when we had this conversation on the podcast, he was saying that he doesn't do any of the shit that he did when he first started out.
01:20:39.000He was doing like box jumps and all this crazy shit and cleans and presses.
01:22:08.000I think that could be attributed to the character of the person doing the work and the coaches and the corner men around you and stuff like that, so...
01:22:17.000I mean, it's also, the gas tank wouldn't do any good if BJ didn't have spectacular technique already.
01:25:22.000That's worse even than the knockout because a lot of the...
01:25:25.000I mean, he was getting clipped but the ropes were loose and he just went right through the ropes.
01:25:29.000It was a shitty job by whoever put together that fucking ring for a...
01:25:33.000A world championship fight with a guy like Bernard Hopkins and to go through the ropes like that, and to not have any protection for the athletes below the ropes, just concrete.
01:31:16.000Yeah, you're really digging in with your feet.
01:31:18.000Now, I've injured my toes naturally from kicks or whatever.
01:31:22.000And I've had to wear wrestling shoes for training.
01:31:25.000Now, one thing wearing wrestling shoes for me has done is helped...
01:31:31.000Sort of increase, make better, enhance my footwork, right?
01:31:39.000It makes me be more cognizant of how I'm placing my feet as opposed to dragging my feet across the mat or the surface of whatever surface I'm moving on.
01:31:48.000Oh, because there's traction in the bottom of it?
01:32:07.000And that's one of the things in an analogy that I use was imagine anybody who's seen the Kung Fu Panda movie or any old Kung Fu movie where they have those training setups where there's a bunch of logs standing on in and they just have like that small two, three inch surface, round surface to stand on, to move around on and do all these Kung round surface to stand on, to move around on and do all these Kung Fu training and Kung Fu Panda is the one that comes to mind big time for me.
01:32:32.000But that would facilitate precise foot placement, precise footwork.
01:32:37.000You have to place your foot in a precise position and of course maneuver your body in accordance.
01:34:24.000Yeah, boxing is one of the sports that I continue to watch after getting into MMA. And a lot of people, for whatever reason, are sort of trying to come up with reasons why Earl Spence didn't perform as well as they thought he was going to.
01:34:39.000But I think you just have to say Terence Crawford is that good.
01:39:36.000This Strickland thing gets worked out because I think that's an interesting fight and I would like to see you fight whoever wins that fight.
01:39:44.000And I think that you're right in line, man.
01:39:47.000It's a it's a real fun time for the division.
01:39:50.000There's so much talent in that division Yeah, with Trekkas Duplicy just beating Robert Whitaker like that and Whitaker was always the guy that was like right below Adesanya and like creeping up on him.
01:39:59.000Yeah, like in the last fight he got closer Like it was a unanimous decision loss, but he had his moments in that fight It was a much much much better performance in his first fight where he got taken out quick Yeah, so you everybody was thinking that that's the guy now you watch Trekkas Duplicy beat him down You're like wow Yeah, it's gonna open some eyes.
01:40:48.000And on top of that, I think having your fighting debut fights is completely different from fighting top five, top ten fighters, you know what I mean?
01:42:32.000And that's one of the reasons why I was like, here, man, let me go down the middleweight, too, because everybody I was fighting was like 6'4", 6'2", 6'3".
01:46:08.000I just hadn't gotten that far in my journey with this cold plunge yet.
01:46:14.000But I definitely love using it, using it prior to this fight, and it helped me out because when I got to the PI and used the plunge there, it was very nice having the hot tub right next to the plunge so I can go out of one and into the other.
01:46:30.000And use that one extreme to the next for some mental training.
01:47:26.000Sometimes what I'll do is I'll do it before the workout and then after the workout I'll do a sauna session and then after the sauna I'll go back in for a few minutes.
01:47:37.000And I use the, because I'm in the cold for so long, for three minutes and I'm freezing when I get out, I do a lot of my working out outside.
01:47:44.000I'll do like body weight stuff, like push-ups and Okay, some plyos.
01:47:48.000Bodyweight squats and stuff like that, pulling the sled.
01:48:26.000Closest experience to that was in the Army, having to wake up and it's cold as shit outside, and you're freezing balls, sitting in formation, and then you start running, like, oh, finally.
01:48:36.000At first, you're a little, you know, creakety-crackly a little bit, and then you loosen up, and you get that runner's high, or some shit like that, or you get a good drift sergeant called Canis to pump you up, motivate you, some shit like that.
01:48:48.000Yeah, I figured all about the cold then.
01:49:32.000I remember when I moved to Alaska the first time, I had to do this learn-to-return training for my job, right?
01:49:37.000Because we would fly out to remote places and work on their traffic control equipment.
01:49:41.000So, just in case some shit happened, it'd be like a reenactment of a Grey, with that movie Grey, with the wolves, and was it Liam Neeson that had to fight off the wolves?
01:53:14.000There was a video recently somebody put me onto of this grizzly bear that tears open this cabin and pulls out like a leg of a moose and is dragging it out, but it went through the wall of this cabin.
01:53:29.000They're so strong, they just tore the wall apart.
01:53:32.000Just tore a hole through the wall, and it smelled the meat through there, and it's like, I gotta get you this fucking wall.
01:53:39.000So the bear was motivated then, to say the least.
01:54:44.000But I started telling the story because we went up to Alaska a couple of weeks ago, but a few days before we went to Alaska, I heard about this black bear pulled this man out of his truck and killed him.
01:57:07.000You know, see he lift his nose and then put his nose down and start coming closer and closer.
01:57:13.000And they noticed these bears hunting them, so they had to abort mission and leave because these bears would break down the door and get whatever they want.
01:57:35.000A friend of mine is a veterinarian, and he was explaining how when they work with little baby polar bears, he goes, they're like the predator right out of the womb.
01:57:42.000They're like the alien, you know, from the womb.
02:00:57.000But I mean, I think it's a thing where people attach themselves, like that they're there to help and save this magnificent creature, which is a magnificent creature.
02:01:10.000And then it gives their life so much more meaning because they're attached to something bigger than them, so important, so huge, because their whole identity is wrapped around protecting these bears.
02:01:23.000But the people that are the wildlife biologists up in Alaska, they know what they're doing.
02:03:31.000It's an amazing episode where he talks about, you know, there's a difference between the Hollywood version and the real version, but it is based on a true story.
02:03:44.000You get worried about bows and arrows flying at you, and you're trying to make your way through the woods, and what the fuck are we doing here?