The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #145 with Terence Crawford

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00:00:12.000 Terrence Crawford, what's it like to be the fucking man? 1.00

00:00:14.000 Man, it's great. 0.99

00:00:15.000 I feel like I've always been the man.

00:00:17.000 You have been the man for a long time.

00:00:19.000 But I think two weeks ago everybody realized it.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, everybody give me my recognition now and everybody give me my flowers.

00:00:28.000 So it's a wonderful thing that I had to fight to, you know, get everybody approval. 0.97

00:00:35.000 Well, it's tricky in boxing sometimes because sometimes it's difficult to make those matchups happen in a dream matchup like that between two undefeated world champions and for you to dominate the way you did because a lot of people had that like a pick-em fight like a lot of people didn't know how to call it but You just fucking ran that fight. 0.96

00:00:55.000 You ran that fight. 0.64

00:00:56.000 That was amazing.

00:00:58.000 Yeah, you know, that's a fight that we've been wanting for years.

00:01:01.000 And to finally secure the fight and perform the way that I performed, it was a great moment for me and my career.

00:01:11.000 It was beautiful, man.

00:01:12.000 I mean, just the way you controlled, the way you switched things up, the way you controlled the pace of the fight, the defense, your defense was on point.

00:01:22.000 Those hooks that you were landing in close were magnificent.

00:01:25.000 It was a brilliant fight, man.

00:01:27.000 I mean, I'm sure you appreciate it, I'm sure you watched it a bunch of times, but man, that was like a real, because it was such a mainstream fight, such a huge fight where everybody was paying attention to it and talking about it, even casuals.

00:01:39.000 That they got to see you perform that way and you know now it's like there's no dispute You're the number one pound for pound guy on earth.

00:01:46.000 Yeah That's something that I got a credit to my coaches, you know because we drill everything that you seen Fight night we drilled it time and time again time and time again, so it was it was It came natural and easy for me when the fight came.

00:02:08.000 You know, like I said, only thing they kept saying, how he's going to beat me is because he's bigger and he's stronger.

00:02:17.000 That was it.

00:02:18.000 You looked stronger.

00:02:19.000 Of course.

00:02:20.000 Of course.

00:02:20.000 And I was just like, how do you know he's stronger than me?

00:02:24.000 Right.

00:02:25.000 He might be bigger than me, but big don't mean stronger.

00:02:28.000 But he's just taller than you.

00:02:29.000 You look more muscular than him, too.

00:02:31.000 But it was just...

00:02:33.000 The technique was what really stood out.

00:02:36.000 It's like you just were a master in there.

00:02:38.000 It was a master class.

00:02:39.000 That's something that they wasn't giving me credit for as well.

00:02:42.000 How?

00:02:43.000 That's the thing.

00:02:44.000 It's like, how were they not?

00:02:45.000 You know, I don't know what it is with me.

00:02:50.000 They just always try to diminish my accomplishments and, oh, well, who I was fighting.

00:02:58.000 They say, oh, well, you wasn't fighting nobody.

00:03:00.000 And this guy...

00:03:01.000 Errol Spence is the most fundamentally sound fighter in the game, so that's why everybody was picking him, but I was favorite in Vegas, so Vegas must have had it right.

00:03:16.000 Yeah, well, the wise people picked you as a favorite, you know, just based on your accomplishments.

00:03:22.000 It's not like Errol Spence wasn't a great fighter.

00:03:24.000 He's a great fighter, but It's so interesting when you watch a great fighter against what I believe is an all-time great.

00:03:31.000 There's just levels upon levels upon levels upon levels. 0.99

00:03:36.000 And right now, you're at the top of the fucking mountain. 0.99

00:03:39.000 Yes, yes, yes. 1.00

00:03:41.000 And I'm enjoying it.

00:03:43.000 I'm enjoying it.

00:03:44.000 Beautiful.

00:03:44.000 You deserve it.

00:03:45.000 You deserve it.

00:03:47.000 When you plan for that fight, You knew that you were probably gonna fight him for the last few years.

00:03:53.000 It was something that was on the table.

00:03:55.000 But not really.

00:03:57.000 There was a point in time where I was like, you know, I shifted gears and I shifted my mind off of Errol Spence because I didn't feel like the fight was going to happen.

00:04:10.000 But once I left top rank and we started negotiating, I was like, oh, well, maybe this fight will happen.

00:04:19.000 Then once I fought Abanesian because the conversations and everything that we was talking about to get the fight done, it wasn't lining up to what I wanted. 0.86

00:04:33.000 I decided to take another fight, and then I came back to the table and like, hey, listen, let's get this fight made.

00:04:40.000 And at that point in time, things wasn't going how I would have liked it to go, so I just hit up Spence like, hey, man, listen, man.

00:04:50.000 If me and you're going to fight, me and you're going to get this done because, you know, there's a lot of people that are blocking the fight.

00:04:57.000 How are they blocking?

00:04:58.000 What was the hold up?

00:05:00.000 Business-wise, I just felt like I was worth X amount and they felt like I wasn't.

00:05:06.000 They wanted to do the deal a certain way and I wanted to do the deal the fair way.

00:05:15.000 Errol Spence seen it.

00:05:17.000 He was agreeing with everything that I said.

00:05:20.000 He was like, yeah, we can do this, we can do that.

00:05:22.000 And he probably felt like he gave up too much at the end when it was all said and done.

00:05:29.000 But I felt like everything was fair.

00:05:32.000 Was it in terms of the purse split?

00:05:35.000 Everything.

00:05:36.000 We talked about everything.

00:05:38.000 Yeah.

00:05:39.000 And so, this fight had been discussed for, like, how many years now?

00:05:44.000 Five.

00:05:45.000 Five years.

00:05:45.000 Wow.

00:05:46.000 That's crazy that it takes that long for something like this to happen in boxing.

00:05:50.000 When I came to the welterweight division, I called out all the champions, except Sean Porter.

00:05:58.000 I called out all the champions.

00:05:59.000 I went up to them all, you know, at that time.

00:06:02.000 And I wasn't able to get in the ring with any of them.

00:06:06.000 And at that point in time, they was calling Errol Spence the boogeyman.

00:06:10.000 And my reply was, how is he the boogeyman when I'm chasing him?

00:06:18.000 I just wanted to prove to the world that I was better than what they say I was because given the fact that How great I looked against each opponent.

00:06:31.000 They say, oh, well, he wasn't nothing or he was this, he was that because how talented I am.

00:06:37.000 So they didn't want to give me no credit because I passed all my tests with flying colors.

00:06:44.000 So it was great to get in the ring with Errol Spence Jr. and do the same thing, if not better, than I did for the past opponents that I faced.

00:06:55.000 No, you were on fire.

00:06:57.000 It's sort of the same thing that Roy Jones Jr. faced.

00:07:01.000 Everybody's like, Roy hasn't beaten anybody.

00:07:03.000 Yes, he has.

00:07:04.000 It's just he's so much better than everybody else that he was making everybody else look like they weren't any good.

00:07:10.000 But those were world championship caliber fighters and Roy was just lighting them up.

00:07:15.000 Sometimes when a fighter eclipses everyone else and reaches the pinnacle, That's the criticism they face until there's an undeniable moment.

00:07:24.000 And that was your undeniable moment. 0.99

00:07:26.000 Everybody's gotta shut the fuck up now. 0.99

00:07:29.000 And that's what my feelings was. 0.99

00:07:35.000 A lot of people were like, man, you didn't look too happy.

00:07:38.000 After you won, I didn't see the excitement in you.

00:07:43.000 I was like, man, I was happy.

00:07:45.000 I was happy just I had to prove myself, you know, to the world, how great I knew I was.

00:07:51.000 But at the same time, I was kind of disappointed at the same time that it took this long for me to get my recognition and for me to get a big marquee fight of this status at 35 years old.

00:08:06.000 Yeah.

00:08:07.000 Especially after chasing it for five years.

00:08:09.000 Right.

00:08:10.000 And I was chasing Manny Pacquiao for probably five years, probably before that.

00:08:15.000 Yeah.

00:08:16.000 So it's like, I've been champion for nine years, going on ten years in March.

00:08:22.000 I've been doing this game for a long time.

00:08:28.000 I've been at the top since I beat Gamboa.

00:08:33.000 I've been looking for all the biggest challenges there is.

00:08:38.000 Some of them I was able to capture and some of them went the other way.

00:08:44.000 And I'm just blessed to be able to be the first man to be undisputed in the junior welterweight division.

00:08:50.000 The first man to be undisputed in a welterweight division in the Ford Bell era.

00:08:56.000 The first man to be undisputed in two weight divisions.

00:09:00.000 So it's a blessing.

00:09:03.000 It's a blessing.

00:09:04.000 It's a huge blessing.

00:09:05.000 It's an amazing accomplishment.

00:09:07.000 You looked happy.

00:09:08.000 You were dancing with your mom.

00:09:09.000 You were having a good time.

00:09:10.000 I don't know why people thought you weren't happy.

00:09:11.000 Because, you know, when you go in the back room, everybody want to see the excitement.

00:09:15.000 I was just like, I got that off my back.

00:09:19.000 It was a sign of relief.

00:09:21.000 Was there anything unusual about that fight?

00:09:24.000 Like, is that exactly how you expected the exchanges to go?

00:09:27.000 I'm sure you watched a ton of tape on him, right?

00:09:30.000 Actually, I didn't.

00:09:31.000 Really?

00:09:32.000 I didn't.

00:09:33.000 Because a lot of people always ask me, do I watch a lot of film on my opponents?

00:09:38.000 And I always tell them no, because I have a different style.

00:09:41.000 They're not going to fight me the same style or the same way that they fought their previous opponents.

00:09:47.000 They're just not.

00:09:48.000 You know, so I already knew how he fought.

00:09:52.000 I just watched probably like two fights of his just to get a feel for what he liked to do, what he don't like, the things that, you know, I can capitalize on.

00:10:04.000 And that's it.

00:10:05.000 I don't watch too much film because I'm going to make my adjustments on the fly inside the ring.

00:10:10.000 So yeah, I don't watch too much film.

00:10:13.000 That's interesting.

00:10:14.000 What is the general consensus on that, about watching film?

00:10:18.000 Do most champions watch film?

00:10:19.000 Is it just on an individual basis?

00:10:22.000 Some people like to watch film to where they feel as if they know what their opponent's going to do, when they're going to do it, because they got certain habits to identify when they're going to throw a punch.

00:10:38.000 Or when they're going to back up.

00:10:40.000 Certain things that you see as a top athlete, you start noticing, okay, I noticed that he's doing this when he's doing this.

00:10:49.000 He's doing that when he's doing this.

00:10:51.000 And you pick up on that.

00:10:53.000 And so you put it in your mind, like, okay, we're going to prepare for this.

00:10:58.000 When you do that, we're going to do this.

00:10:59.000 So you try to capitalize on it.

00:11:01.000 But me...

00:11:02.000 I never was that type of person.

00:11:04.000 I let my coaches, they do the studying, and then they come up with a plan, and then they shoot me the plan to win, and we just go from there.

00:11:17.000 When you switch, because you're, in my opinion, the best ever at switching from Orthodox to Southpaw since Marvin Hagler. 0.69

00:11:25.000 You're the best ever.

00:11:28.000 When do you decide?

00:11:30.000 Do you just feel it? 0.97

00:11:32.000 Do you go out there, southpaw sometimes, and say, I'm gonna fucking switch it up? 0.95

00:11:36.000 How do you make those changes? 0.93

00:11:40.000 I think I made the change to fight Southpaw in the back dress room.

00:11:47.000 Really?

00:11:48.000 Yeah, because I was like, man, how should I come out?

00:11:50.000 Because in my mind, I was just so filled with the energy from the weigh-ins, the press conference, the weight, the moment.

00:12:00.000 So I was like, man, I just want to go out there and Everybody was saying I'm too small, so I wanted to prove him wrong.

00:12:07.000 Everybody was saying he was going to walk me down.

00:12:09.000 So I was just like, man, they just don't know.

00:12:12.000 I just had that chip on my shoulder.

00:12:14.000 I just wanted to go head on with the bull and just go fight him.

00:12:19.000 And it was like, just box.

00:12:21.000 I was like, just box.

00:12:22.000 And then I was remembering, I was like...

00:12:25.000 He never fought too many Southpaws before. 0.99

00:12:28.000 And then on one of the occasions, he got hurt real bad by a hook.

00:12:33.000 So I was like, I'm coming out Southpaw and we're going to box.

00:12:36.000 Just to start off.

00:12:38.000 But at the same time, I'm going to get my respect out the gate.

00:12:41.000 I'm not going to be doing all that moving.

00:12:44.000 So the plan was never to move.

00:12:46.000 And everybody, when you interview them, they was like, oh, Terrence got to be...

00:12:53.000 Slippery.

00:12:54.000 He can't stand in front of Spence.

00:12:56.000 He can't do this.

00:12:57.000 He gotta get on his bicycle.

00:12:59.000 I'm like, he ain't no Terminator.

00:13:03.000 I'm going to be right there in front of him like I always do.

00:13:06.000 I'm going to make him miss, I'm going to make him pay, and I'm going to fight my fight.

00:13:10.000 So I feel like that was the key for the victory because he wasn't used to fighting Southpaws. 1.00

00:13:19.000 Do you feel as comfortable orthodox as Southpaw?

00:13:22.000 Do you feel like you're better in one stance or is it just depending upon the opponents?

00:13:27.000 I think it's dependent on the opponent.

00:13:29.000 You know, I feel I'm equally as great in both stands.

00:13:35.000 I'm very powerful in both stands.

00:13:39.000 I hit just as hard with my left, probably even harder with my left than my right.

00:13:45.000 You know, but I think it's the opponent.

00:13:49.000 They were talking about it in the broadcast.

00:13:51.000 They said that when you were a kid, you hurt your hand.

00:13:53.000 And so that's why you started practicing southpaw.

00:13:56.000 Yeah, that's when I started actually practicing it.

00:14:02.000 That was something that when I had the cast on, I was like, man, I love the gym so much.

00:14:09.000 I'm like, man, I'm not leaving the gym.

00:14:11.000 I'm going to practice with this left.

00:14:14.000 And that's when I got the left stronger.

00:14:16.000 Because at first, when I go southpaw, it was only my right, my right, my right.

00:14:23.000 Then when my hand got messed up, I just started working on the left, and it started getting stronger and stronger, and I started getting more accurate, because at first, just throw it just to be throwing it.

00:14:33.000 And then, you know, it just got to a point where they both, my left was actually way stronger than my right when it came back, so I had to get my right back stronger.

00:14:45.000 It's crazy that you have that option, because that's such an amazing advantage.

00:14:49.000 To be able to fight just as comfortably from orthodox or southpaw.

00:14:53.000 Oh yeah, definitely.

00:14:54.000 Definitely.

00:14:55.000 You know, I look at it like you can't go nowhere.

00:14:59.000 Like you're trapped. 0.81

00:15:01.000 You move to your left, I can go southpaw and cut you off. 1.00

00:15:06.000 You move to your right, I can go orthodox and cut you off. 0.94

00:15:09.000 And then it's great that I can pack a punch in both hands as well, because a lot of people, when they switch, they give up something.

00:15:18.000 I think when I switch, I gain something in both stands that I probably don't have in other stands.

00:15:26.000 So it's great for me.

00:15:30.000 Did anybody ever try to discourage you from switching up that much?

00:15:33.000 Of course.

00:15:34.000 Did they?

00:15:34.000 My coach, he used to always, he used to get mad.

00:15:37.000 Like, you need to focus on one stance and doing it right before you start switching.

00:15:44.000 You ain't even got the orthodox stance down, pec, all the way.

00:15:49.000 And then you trying to go south, I'm like, alright, alright.

00:15:52.000 Then I go orthodox and then in the fight, boom.

00:15:55.000 I switch, then I switch back.

00:15:57.000 He's like, stop switching!

00:15:59.000 And then I win a fight like, what?

00:16:01.000 When did he stop telling you to stop switching?

00:16:04.000 When I was winning.

00:16:05.000 He was like, all right, since I can't stop you from switching, we're just going to train that way.

00:16:12.000 So, yeah, if you do four rounds, you're going to do two rounds softball, you're going to do two rounds orthodox.

00:16:19.000 That's just how we started training.

00:16:21.000 Well, it's amazing how it turned out.

00:16:23.000 And for Spence, you know, who always fights Southpaw, like, to see you as a Southpaw, too, like, probably created a little bit of an adjustment for him.

00:16:31.000 Yeah.

00:16:32.000 Yeah, especially given that he wasn't fighting too many Southpaws in his whole career that much. 0.98

00:16:39.000 It seemed like after you dropped him in the second, somewhere in the middle of the third, you started to turn the heat up.

00:16:47.000 Then you started closing the distance and you were smothering him.

00:16:51.000 Somewhere in the third, it seemed like you picked up the intensity.

00:16:54.000 Is that when you felt like you started to get to him?

00:16:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:58.000 I felt like I was in control the whole fight.

00:17:02.000 You know, the first round neither one of us really did anything.

00:17:07.000 We was kind of just feeling each other out.

00:17:09.000 The second round he kind of started picking it up a little bit and I caught him with them two shots.

00:17:16.000 I felt like that's what led me to get more control because I felt as if I I caught him off guard.

00:17:28.000 He wasn't expecting me to punch as hard as I did.

00:17:32.000 So I could see on his face he was kind of like, whoa.

00:17:36.000 You know, and then the rest, you know, I was in control.

00:17:40.000 Yeah, you were in control.

00:17:41.000 It's an amazing performance.

00:17:44.000 But now that you've accomplished this and now that you're the first man ever to be undisputed in two different weight classes, What are the offers now?

00:17:53.000 I hear all this talk about Jermell.

00:17:56.000 I hear this talk about Canelo.

00:17:58.000 Where are they at right now?

00:18:00.000 Well, you know Canelo and Jamel is fighting.

00:18:03.000 I wanted to fight Jamel next since he was the 154 pound undisputed champion.

00:18:13.000 But as you know, they're going to strip him for his belt once the bell rings when he fights Canelo.

00:18:20.000 So your goal was to go up and become undisputed in three different weight classes.

00:18:24.000 There you go.

00:18:24.000 Wow.

00:18:25.000 Something that never been done before.

00:18:29.000 It's greatness.

00:18:31.000 Like I said, this is my era and I'm taking it.

00:18:35.000 Ain't nobody gonna stop me.

00:18:37.000 So now that I didn't shift gears, because I know I wanted to fight Jamel, but if he lose to Canelo, I always said, man, that's a big step.

00:18:51.000 That's a big step, but for a person to go up three weight classes from 147 to 168 in the wind and become undisputed, wow.

00:19:05.000 What can they say?

00:19:06.000 They can't say nothing right now, but what can they say?

00:19:11.000 Then you're in the greatest of all time discussion.

00:19:15.000 I'm already in them discussions.

00:19:17.000 But I'm saying, what would they say, though?

00:19:21.000 Three-time undisputed champion and a smaller fighter that went up three weight divisions to conquer one of the baddest mans besides himself that's been doing it for probably longer than me.

00:19:36.000 So you said 68, but you mean 54, right?

00:19:40.000 No, 68. You want to go up to 68?

00:19:42.000 Yeah.

00:19:43.000 So who would you fight at 68?

00:19:44.000 Canelo?

00:19:45.000 Yeah, if he win.

00:19:46.000 Or Charlo.

00:19:47.000 The winner.

00:19:48.000 Wow.

00:19:49.000 That would be crazy.

00:19:50.000 I want to be three times undisputed.

00:19:53.000 To jump up like that, 21 pounds?

00:19:55.000 Yes.

00:19:56.000 What do you walk around at?

00:19:57.000 I don't know.

00:19:58.000 You don't know?

00:19:59.000 I don't know how to tell anybody.

00:20:01.000 I don't know.

00:20:02.000 I don't know.

00:20:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:20:04.000 But...

00:20:05.000 How much time would you need to prepare for something like that?

00:20:08.000 Would you gain weight?

00:20:09.000 I would definitely have to gain weight.

00:20:12.000 I just believe in my abilities.

00:20:16.000 Canelo's not a big guy.

00:20:18.000 He's 5'8".

00:20:19.000 Fought at 52 when he fought Pacquiao.

00:20:23.000 Or when he fought Floyd, rather.

00:20:24.000 He's big, muscular-wise, but as far as height, nah.

00:20:33.000 So, yeah, that wouldn't be nothing that...

00:20:37.000 You know, we'll have to see.

00:20:38.000 That would be insane.

00:20:39.000 For you to go from 140 all the way up to 168. That'd be dope.

00:20:45.000 Woo! 0.99

00:20:46.000 I think it can happen.

00:20:48.000 I think that's, to be honest, I think that's the biggest fight in boxing.

00:20:52.000 He beat Charlo, Terrence Crawford, Canelo.

00:20:57.000 That's the biggest fight in boxing, hands down.

00:21:00.000 No other fighters could compare to that.

00:21:07.000 No disrespect to Charlo, but he's not a superstar.

00:21:11.000 He's not on Canelo's level.

00:21:14.000 Now, he got a chance.

00:21:16.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:21:17.000 He's going to do well in that fight, and he got the tools to win.

00:21:22.000 It's just about preparation and what type of fight he fight.

00:21:28.000 Now, Canelo and him are fighting at 68, and when are they fighting?

00:21:33.000 Is that September?

00:21:34.000 Yes, September 30th, I think.

00:21:39.000 So, when would you like to get back in?

00:21:43.000 Like, what would be good for you?

00:21:44.000 Like, how much of a turnaround?

00:21:46.000 Well, if they fight in September, it'd probably be next year.

00:21:52.000 But that'd give me time to...

00:21:54.000 Bulk up.

00:21:55.000 Yeah, get my body right.

00:21:56.000 What kind of strength and conditioning routine do you do now?

00:22:01.000 Is it difficult for you to make 47 or is it pretty easy?

00:22:05.000 No, it was a little difficult.

00:22:07.000 It was a little difficult.

00:22:10.000 I had to wear the little plastics and sinus hoops this time.

00:22:15.000 You know, I don't know what it is.

00:22:17.000 I go up and weight and then the weight be going up on me.

00:22:22.000 Your body adapts.

00:22:24.000 Yeah.

00:22:24.000 Likes to eat.

00:22:25.000 Likes to get thick.

00:22:26.000 Right.

00:22:27.000 So it's cool though.

00:22:28.000 It's cool.

00:22:29.000 So when, like, on a normal camp, what does your training routine consist of?

00:22:35.000 Like, do you do running?

00:22:37.000 Do you do strength and conditioning workouts in the gym?

00:22:40.000 Like, what do you do as far as, like, physical preparation?

00:22:42.000 I do it all.

00:22:43.000 I run, I swim, strength and conditioning, plyometrics, all that.

00:22:50.000 You do swimming?

00:22:51.000 Yes.

00:22:52.000 A lot of people are doing swimming now.

00:22:53.000 I've been doing that my whole career.

00:22:55.000 Really?

00:22:56.000 What do you like about swimming?

00:22:57.000 I just think, you know, it helps on your breathing.

00:22:59.000 It helps on your breathing, your endurance.

00:23:02.000 It's better on your joints, you know, because we don't run every day.

00:23:06.000 Right.

00:23:07.000 So, yeah, it helps tremendously.

00:23:11.000 And do you lift weights?

00:23:12.000 Yeah.

00:23:13.000 But not heavy.

00:23:15.000 We lift probably like 20 pounds, like something light.

00:23:19.000 Just a lot of endurance work?

00:23:21.000 Yeah.

00:23:22.000 Little quick twitch muscles.

00:23:24.000 So if you have a fight where you're gonna go up to 168 pounds, how much time do you think you need to get ready physically for that?

00:23:32.000 I'm ready now.

00:23:33.000 You ready now?

00:23:37.000 I'm the type of fighter that I just believe in myself.

00:23:41.000 A lot of people think it's all about weight, but I think it's about the skills.

00:23:48.000 I got the power to make anybody respect me.

00:23:51.000 I don't care what your weight is.

00:23:53.000 If I catch you in the right spot at the right time, you're going to feel it.

00:23:58.000 I just feel like it's called boxing for a reason.

00:24:02.000 I'm going to out-think you.

00:24:03.000 Yeah.

00:24:04.000 Well, you showed that in that fight.

00:24:06.000 I mean, just the defense, everything, man.

00:24:09.000 It was a masterclass.

00:24:10.000 That's what I love about boxing.

00:24:12.000 Like, if I wanted to show someone a boxing match, I would show a fight like that.

00:24:16.000 Like, this is what I love about boxing.

00:24:18.000 Like, this man is right in front of that dude, and he's rolling with every shot, he's picking off every shot the other dude throws at him, and he's countering with, like, split-second timing.

00:24:28.000 Yeah, and that's hard to do.

00:24:30.000 That's hard to do.

00:24:31.000 And you got to be comfortable enough to have confidence that you got to take chances.

00:24:36.000 Yeah.

00:24:36.000 Like when I dropped them with the uppercut and the hook, I got hit.

00:24:44.000 Left hand, right?

00:24:45.000 Yeah.

00:24:45.000 I got hit while I was throwing the uppercut, but I knew that going into it because I baited them in and set a trap.

00:24:52.000 So, in my mind, I'm going to take one to get this off and then come back with something else.

00:25:00.000 And that's how I got the second drop.

00:25:03.000 Yeah, that uppercut was genius.

00:25:05.000 It was just inside, tight, boom!

00:25:08.000 Perfect time.

00:25:09.000 How hard does Spence hit?

00:25:11.000 He didn't hit that hard.

00:25:13.000 But he never caught you that clean.

00:25:14.000 That was probably the best shot he landed.

00:25:16.000 No, he caught me a couple of times, but, you know, I was surprised at how hard he didn't hit.

00:25:23.000 Really?

00:25:24.000 Given that everybody say, oh, he's a big puncher.

00:25:27.000 I think he's just a volume puncher.

00:25:30.000 I think he just wears opponents down.

00:25:32.000 Just wear them down.

00:25:33.000 I don't think, you know, he has a one-punch knockout.

00:25:37.000 He have power, but it's not like, you know, Boom!

00:25:42.000 Sleep.

00:25:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:25:44.000 I think it's like, bam!

00:25:45.000 Oh! 0.60

00:25:46.000 Boom! 0.99

00:25:47.000 And then he just wear you down.

00:25:49.000 Right.

00:25:50.000 Yeah.

00:25:51.000 That is a difference, right?

00:25:53.000 Because if you look at his career, you never seen him knock nobody out with one punch.

00:25:57.000 You never seen him dropping nobody with one punch.

00:26:01.000 You already seen him wearing them down.

00:26:03.000 Wearing them down.

00:26:05.000 That's why he goes so hard to the body, because he want to wear you down.

00:26:09.000 Then once you get tired and once your body starts weakening, everything starts weakening.

00:26:15.000 And those little punches that wasn't hurting start hurting.

00:26:19.000 Well, that was probably your most anticipated fight.

00:26:23.000 But what do you think was like your most difficult fight?

00:26:26.000 I would think Gamboa.

00:26:28.000 Really?

00:26:29.000 I would say Gamboa.

00:26:30.000 Because the experience at the time, you know...

00:26:34.000 You gotta understand, I came from fighting six-round fights, you know, to a ten-round fight on HBO when I got the Bredis Persky fight.

00:26:48.000 So then I fight him, then I fight another guy for an intern, the NABO, and then I fight for a title eliminator in Klimov, and then I fight Ricky Burns.

00:27:01.000 And then I come back and fight Gamboa when I become champion.

00:27:05.000 And Gamboa was labeled the next Floyd Mayweather.

00:27:08.000 He was on the pound for pound list.

00:27:10.000 You know, everybody had Gamboa at a high rating, you know, so he's Olympic gold medal, you know.

00:27:19.000 He had the experience over me, and so I think I learned a lot in that fight, and that's what made it hard because that was something that I never experienced in a fighter before, so it was a great learning experience.

00:27:35.000 That's one of the most interesting things about watching a very talented fighter.

00:27:39.000 Is seeing how they respond to the next level of opposition and the next level of challenges.

00:27:46.000 Like you're saying, going up from 6 rounds to 8 rounds to 10 to 12, and seeing the different caliber of competition.

00:27:54.000 You know, when you look at, like, a boxer's career, It's interesting because when they're kind of at the end of the line in their late 30s, it's the time when they have the most experience.

00:28:08.000 They know the most, but their body doesn't really perform as well anymore.

00:28:13.000 There's this kind of balancing act.

00:28:15.000 And the guy who beat that better than anybody was Bernard Hopkins.

00:28:18.000 Because Bernard was world-class up until he was 50, which is so crazy. 0.96

00:28:25.000 Like, how the fuck did he do that? 0.94

00:28:27.000 I think because his body was more preserved than when he was in jail and he didn't have all the wear and tear on his body. 0.99

00:28:34.000 You know, my guy Steven Nelson, he's another one.

00:28:38.000 He's 35 years old and he's still moving like he's young because he never did no sports.

00:28:45.000 He started boxing at like 18. Oh.

00:28:50.000 No injuries.

00:28:51.000 Yeah.

00:28:52.000 He just had an injury about a few years ago.

00:28:56.000 He tore his Achilles.

00:28:57.000 He was out for two years, but he backed like nothing happened.

00:29:01.000 That's a big one.

00:29:02.000 Yeah.

00:29:02.000 Achilles is a big one.

00:29:03.000 Jamal Hill, the UFC light heavyweight champion, just tore his Achilles.

00:29:07.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:07.000 That's a rough one.

00:29:08.000 Definitely.

00:29:09.000 Jamal tore it playing basketball, which is crazy.

00:29:12.000 He tore his spine moving backwards.

00:29:15.000 Really?

00:29:15.000 Yes, he was just moving backwards.

00:29:17.000 It wasn't nothing crazy.

00:29:19.000 He was just moving backwards and it just popped.

00:29:22.000 He said he thought somebody hit him.

00:29:25.000 He was just like, he looked down.

00:29:27.000 Like, man, he thought it was me at first.

00:29:29.000 I'm way on the back.

00:29:30.000 I'm like, what?

00:29:31.000 He's like, man. 1.00

00:29:33.000 I fucked up. 0.99

00:29:34.000 I'm like, what? 0.99

00:29:36.000 He was like, man, my Achilles.

00:29:37.000 I'm like, how you know?

00:29:38.000 He was like, man, I heard it pop.

00:29:41.000 And so everybody getting around him.

00:29:42.000 I'm like, man, you got to go to the hospital.

00:29:44.000 Let's go.

00:29:45.000 Wow.

00:29:45.000 Two years.

00:29:47.000 Two years out the gym.

00:29:48.000 I mean, out the ring.

00:29:49.000 That's a long one.

00:29:50.000 It's a crazy injury to come back from.

00:29:52.000 Yeah.

00:29:53.000 Because it's such a thick tendon.

00:29:56.000 When it pops, it's just a disaster.

00:29:59.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:59.000 Have you had any significant injuries?

00:30:02.000 No.

00:30:03.000 That's amazing.

00:30:04.000 Yes.

00:30:05.000 So when you say, like, for Bernard, like, he preserved his body, I know you're very disciplined.

00:30:11.000 And I know that, like, do you ever take time, like, after a big fight like that, where you go off the rails and eat pizza every day and go crazy?

00:30:19.000 Or do you stay disciplined?

00:30:20.000 Well, I don't eat beef or pork, but...

00:30:22.000 You don't eat beef or pork?

00:30:23.000 Or pork.

00:30:24.000 Really?

00:30:24.000 Yeah, but my eating habits is not the best.

00:30:30.000 You know, I still drink pop here and there.

00:30:32.000 I still...

00:30:33.000 I didn't lighten up on candy.

00:30:34.000 I used to eat tons of candy, like, every day.

00:30:37.000 Really?

00:30:38.000 I used to eat tons of candy, but...

00:30:41.000 While you were fighting?

00:30:42.000 Yeah, in camp, too.

00:30:45.000 I don't know.

00:30:46.000 It was just something that, listen, I'm going to do this.

00:30:48.000 I'm going to make way.

00:30:49.000 I'm going to get everything done, but I'm going to have my candy.

00:30:54.000 What kind of candy?

00:30:55.000 I just liked the Jolly Ranchers, the chewy ones.

00:31:00.000 Just chewy candy.

00:31:01.000 The Starbursts, the gummies.

00:31:04.000 I used to just always eat those.

00:31:06.000 But when you train it a lot, it's not bad to have a little extra sugar.

00:31:09.000 Yeah.

00:31:10.000 Like Floyd used to drink sodas after he trained.

00:31:13.000 Yeah.

00:31:13.000 And everybody's like, why would he do that?

00:31:15.000 But then I talked to a nutritionist and he's like, it's actually after a very hard workout, like sparring and hitting the bag, it's actually a good way to replenish glucose.

00:31:24.000 Yeah, that's probably why I always was drinking it, you know, and cutting weight.

00:31:30.000 I don't know why, when I'm cutting weight, I be like, alright.

00:31:33.000 Even though pop gonna make me more thirsty, I be like, I need a Sprite.

00:31:40.000 I need a Sprite, a cold Sprite.

00:31:42.000 And they be like, what?

00:31:43.000 I be like, I just need a Sprite.

00:31:45.000 How come you don't eat beef or pork?

00:31:47.000 I don't eat beef.

00:31:49.000 Pork is just, you know, bad for you.

00:31:52.000 It's unhealthy.

00:31:53.000 You know, and I think when beef, I stopped eating beef like probably like seven years ago, probably more than that.

00:32:01.000 Really?

00:32:02.000 Yeah.

00:32:03.000 I had back problems and I was like, man...

00:32:07.000 My back was just hurting so bad and I didn't know what it was.

00:32:10.000 So I went to the hospital.

00:32:12.000 I went to the emergency.

00:32:14.000 And so they did the MRI and CAT scan and stuff like that on my back. 0.94

00:32:19.000 And I had backed up shit all up my back. 0.96

00:32:23.000 What? 1.00

00:32:24.000 Backed up shit. 1.00

00:32:25.000 Really? 1.00

00:32:26.000 That was what was hurting your back?

00:32:28.000 All beef.

00:32:29.000 So since I cut out the beef because they said beef is harder to digest and harder for your body to break down.

00:32:36.000 So I stopped eating beef and I ain't never had none of them issues ever again.

00:32:40.000 That's crazy.

00:32:41.000 I've never heard anything like that.

00:32:43.000 Yeah.

00:32:43.000 So where do you get your protein from?

00:32:46.000 Chicken.

00:32:46.000 Just chicken?

00:32:47.000 Chicken, turkey.

00:32:48.000 Eggs, fish?

00:32:49.000 Fish, all that.

00:32:50.000 So chicken, turkey, fish.

00:32:52.000 Yeah.

00:32:53.000 That's great.

00:32:53.000 I've never heard anybody have a...

00:32:55.000 I eat mostly meat.

00:32:56.000 Yeah.

00:32:57.000 I think that's the most of my diet is meat. 1.00

00:32:59.000 You probably got a lot of shit in you. 1.00

00:33:00.000 Nope. 1.00

00:33:03.000 I bet you you do.

00:33:04.000 I bet you you do.

00:33:08.000 You might not do it.

00:33:10.000 Maybe I should get an MRI. Nah, maybe you should do a colon cleanse or something.

00:33:15.000 Do you do colon cleanse?

00:33:16.000 No.

00:33:16.000 Do one and you're going to be amazed.

00:33:18.000 Really?

00:33:18.000 I swear.

00:33:19.000 I don't know about that.

00:33:20.000 I don't think there's anything wrong.

00:33:23.000 I did one, you know, I was doing one in this camp.

00:33:26.000 Yeah?

00:33:27.000 And it was crazy. 1.00

00:33:28.000 Like, you know, shit that come out of you, you be like, damn, I had that much shit. 1.00

00:33:31.000 So did you do like a colonic? 1.00

00:33:33.000 Nah, I just, you know.

00:33:34.000 The colonic's rough. 1.00

00:33:35.000 They stickin' a hose up your ass. 1.00

00:33:37.000 Yeah, I ain't doin' that. 1.00

00:33:39.000 I ain't doing that.

00:33:40.000 What did you do?

00:33:41.000 What did you take?

00:33:41.000 No, I just, you know, take, you know, just a little colon cleanse, dietary, not like supplements or stuff like that, like just stuff that...

00:33:52.000 It's like fiber. 0.98

00:33:52.000 Yeah, fiber that makes the shit come out. 0.98

00:33:56.000 And it just, whoa! 0.99

00:33:58.000 Yeah, I did that before camp and stuff, and I was like, dang.

00:34:04.000 Yeah.

00:34:05.000 So, do you have someone that prepares your meals?

00:34:09.000 Yes.

00:34:10.000 Yeah?

00:34:11.000 So, you got like a meal prep company?

00:34:13.000 I got a nutritionist, I got a chef, all that.

00:34:16.000 And you're also, I saw, are you a part of that snack thing too?

00:34:21.000 Yeah.

00:34:21.000 Yeah, so what that is, is...

00:34:25.000 Is that the dude from Balco?

00:34:28.000 Yeah.

00:34:28.000 Victor Conte?

00:34:30.000 So Victor Conte, he was on the podcast back in the day.

00:34:32.000 So he's the guy that busted, or he got busted with Barry Bonds, The Clear, where they were giving him that undetectable steroids.

00:34:41.000 And now he's on the other side of it.

00:34:43.000 He's making sure that the whole sport is clean.

00:34:45.000 And nobody knows better than him because he cheated for years.

00:34:48.000 And they hate it.

00:34:49.000 They hate it because you'll see a lot of people like, Oh, man, this dude was a cheater.

00:34:54.000 This dude was this, this dude was that.

00:34:56.000 And then, you know, you can't get none past him. 0.95

00:35:00.000 Well, he was a cheater, but, you know, just because a guy was a cheater.

00:35:04.000 Look, first of all, that's the kind of guy you would want being involved in cheating and catching cheating.

00:35:09.000 But he's trying to clean up the whole sport.

00:35:11.000 It's not like he's like, alright, well, I'm sponsoring you, you representing my brand.

00:35:18.000 He's trying to clean up the whole sport, so he's like, why isn't it more transparency?

00:35:24.000 Where's the transparency?

00:35:27.000 Where's this?

00:35:27.000 Where's that?

00:35:28.000 Why can't the world know what's going on with the test that's going on?

00:35:35.000 The public should know if these fighters is clean or not.

00:35:40.000 Because every month there's fighters coming up positive for steroids or banned substance.

00:35:48.000 Well look at the Anthony Joshua Dillian White fight.

00:35:50.000 It's cancelled two weeks out.

00:35:52.000 Huge heavyweight fight.

00:35:53.000 And Dillian White pops.

00:35:55.000 Yeah.

00:35:55.000 And that's not the first time.

00:35:57.000 No, he's popped before, right?

00:35:58.000 Yeah.

00:35:59.000 So it's sad for Anthony Joshua to, you know, go through those things that I'm training for this fighter and then he popped down, boom, I'm hit with.

00:36:09.000 Right.

00:36:10.000 Got to prepare for somebody else.

00:36:11.000 And them the worst ones when they come, you know, at the last minute and they ready.

00:36:16.000 Right.

00:36:16.000 Because some people just train, just waiting for that call.

00:36:19.000 Right.

00:36:20.000 You know, you never know.

00:36:22.000 Also, him fighting Hellenus after Deontay starched him.

00:36:26.000 That's, like, because everyone's going to prepare, compare you, rather.

00:36:30.000 Because Deontay, Deontay hits so hard, it doesn't even make sense.

00:36:35.000 He hits so, he hits so different than everybody else.

00:36:39.000 Definitely.

00:36:40.000 Definitely.

00:36:40.000 Doesn't make sense, man.

00:36:42.000 The Hellenus fight, he was, like, moving back.

00:36:44.000 And he went like that.

00:36:46.000 And that dude just shut off.

00:36:49.000 He blessed with dynamite in that right hand.

00:36:52.000 Like nobody before.

00:36:54.000 Nobody.

00:36:55.000 Like nobody.

00:36:56.000 In the history of the heavyweight division, we have some giant punchers, Ernie Shavers, George Foreman, Mike Tyson, but I put Deontay at the top of the heap.

00:37:06.000 Right.

00:37:06.000 I don't know.

00:37:08.000 I don't know, man, because those guys, you know what I mean, they was tough as snails back in the days.

00:37:13.000 But I think Deontay Wilder, man, he hit you a couple of times with that right hand.

00:37:18.000 If you ain't Tyson Fury, you're going to sleep.

00:37:21.000 Right.

00:37:21.000 He's the only dude.

00:37:22.000 He's the only dude.

00:37:23.000 The first fight was bananas.

00:37:26.000 When he catches him with that right hand and the left hook as he's going down, then Deontay goes like this.

00:37:31.000 And he thought it was over. 1.00

00:37:33.000 And this motherfucker rises like the Undertaker. 1.00

00:37:36.000 I was like, there is no way. 1.00

00:37:38.000 There's no way.

00:37:39.000 And then he starts outboxing him.

00:37:40.000 Like, how?

00:37:41.000 He beat him last...

00:37:42.000 I mean, I thought he came back and won the rest of the round.

00:37:46.000 I think he did.

00:37:46.000 And then he took that strategy into the second fight.

00:37:50.000 He realized that Deontay does not fight as well when you're going after him.

00:37:54.000 And so then he just dominates the second fight and dominates the third.

00:37:58.000 But in the third, when he got rocked once so hard, you could watch the ripple, the shockwave go down his body, and it was jiggling his fat.

00:38:08.000 Jiggling his back fat from the shot.

00:38:10.000 It was just, boom!

00:38:12.000 I don't think there's another person in the heavyweight division that would have ate that shot like Tyson did.

00:38:16.000 I think I told everybody, both fighters won that fight, the first fight.

00:38:23.000 I said, because...

00:38:26.000 Tyson Fury, I don't know if he made the count, but any other fighter, you get dropped like that, they was going to call it off.

00:38:33.000 Right.

00:38:33.000 Because Duel literally, boom, looked up, and it was just like...

00:38:39.000 Any other fighter, they would have counted out.

00:38:41.000 And I feel like Tyson Fury won on points.

00:38:45.000 Yeah.

00:38:46.000 He was winning the fight.

00:38:48.000 He got up, still winning.

00:38:50.000 Second fight, Tyson Fury, hands down.

00:38:52.000 But the third fight, Deontay Wilder could have made it a better, interesting fight, but he got tired.

00:38:59.000 He was working real well, but he got tired.

00:39:02.000 But, you know, Tyson Fury's smart.

00:39:05.000 He started putting that weight on him, started...

00:39:07.000 Laying on him.

00:39:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:09.000 He's incredible.

00:39:10.000 That's the experience, you know what I mean?

00:39:12.000 He's incredible.

00:39:13.000 And he's such a character, too.

00:39:15.000 Such a fun dude.

00:39:17.000 Yeah, he's funny.

00:39:18.000 He's so funny. 0.98

00:39:19.000 He got so mad at me because I said that Jon Jones would fuck him up. 0.99

00:39:22.000 In the octagon, yeah. 0.99

00:39:24.000 Yeah, I said in a fight.

00:39:26.000 In a fight fight.

00:39:27.000 It's like, no man would beat me.

00:39:29.000 Lock me in a room with any man.

00:39:30.000 I'm coming out alive. 0.96

00:39:32.000 No, John, he's a dangerous dude, man.

00:39:36.000 Y'all better leave him alone. 1.00

00:39:37.000 Leave him alone.

00:39:38.000 Yeah.

00:39:38.000 Well, listen, I believe firmly that if Tyson Fury learned wrestling and learned Muay Thai when he was younger, just like John did, he would be a world champion.

00:39:47.000 Yeah, but he ain't beating John.

00:39:48.000 He's not beating John now.

00:39:49.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:39:51.000 No one's beating John.

00:39:52.000 Even if he was to train when he was little, he's still not beating John John.

00:39:56.000 He'd have to be a great wrestler too.

00:39:58.000 The thing about John is he can do everything.

00:40:01.000 He can do everything.

00:40:02.000 And he has the highest octagon IQ. He's the best at implementing his strategy and utilizing his reach and just figuring out how to get a hold of you.

00:40:14.000 He's the best.

00:40:15.000 He's gonna find a way to win.

00:40:16.000 That's my guy.

00:40:17.000 He's amazing.

00:40:18.000 He's amazing.

00:40:19.000 But, like, when it comes to heavyweight boxers, Tyson Fury is one of my all-time greats.

00:40:24.000 I have two favorite all-time fighters.

00:40:26.000 Mike Tyson in his prime, which was just like a cultural phenomenon.

00:40:31.000 Like, when you would watch Mike Tyson fights back in the day, they were executions.

00:40:35.000 Like, you were just paying, and you were hoping it lasted a little.

00:40:39.000 Because you're paying for the pay-per-view.

00:40:40.000 Like, I hope he doesn't knock this guy out in ten seconds.

00:40:43.000 So you wanted to see something.

00:40:45.000 And it was literally like two rounds, one round.

00:40:48.000 It was amazing.

00:40:49.000 People forget.

00:40:50.000 Like when you see him in his prime, when he was bobbing and weaving.

00:40:53.000 I was talking to the guys last night at the comedy club and I was talking about the Marvis Frazier fight.

00:40:58.000 And that to me is the most terrifying version of Mike Tyson.

00:41:02.000 Because Marvis Frazier really didn't have a chance.

00:41:04.000 His father was propping him up.

00:41:06.000 His father wanted him to fight Tyson because Joe Frazier would have wanted to fight Tyson when he was in his prime.

00:41:11.000 He's like, I'm going to get my son out there and do it.

00:41:13.000 And Tyson just came out, guns blazing.

00:41:16.000 This was Tyson before he won the title.

00:41:19.000 24 wins, zero losses, 22 knockouts, and a heavyweight like nobody had ever seen before.

00:41:25.000 Moved like a lightweight.

00:41:27.000 The way he was bobbing and weaving and coming in close, he was so fast. 0.83

00:41:32.000 But his punches were just ridiculous angles and accuracy. 0.98

00:41:37.000 I fucking love this fight. 0.98

00:41:40.000 Yeah, nobody... 0.98

00:41:42.000 It was like it, especially in the heavyweight division.

00:41:44.000 No, it was a totally different thing.

00:41:46.000 This is it.

00:41:47.000 You see him set up the uppercut, he pawed, pawed, pawed with that jab, and boom!

00:41:52.000 It was incredible.

00:41:54.000 In his prime, I feel like I would have loved to see him against any of the greats, any of the greats.

00:42:01.000 Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, any of the greats.

00:42:04.000 I would have loved to have seen Tyson in his prime against those guys.

00:42:07.000 Yeah, if they could take a punch, then it would be interesting.

00:42:11.000 The punches come so fast.

00:42:12.000 The thing about Tyson, too, is the speed.

00:42:15.000 Yeah, that's what I said.

00:42:16.000 They could take a punch.

00:42:18.000 The speed was insane.

00:42:19.000 Because he get hit.

00:42:20.000 Tyson got hit a lot.

00:42:22.000 It's just that he's willing to take a hit to get his powerful hit off.

00:42:28.000 Well, he also had that neck that started at the top of his ears.

00:42:31.000 His neck started up here, man.

00:42:33.000 Yeah.

00:42:33.000 It was a crazy neck, man.

00:42:35.000 He could take a punch better than anybody. 0.72

00:42:37.000 Better than anybody.

00:42:38.000 So what you think...

00:42:39.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:42:40.000 Okay.

00:42:41.000 So what you think about the business side of MMA and boxing?

00:42:49.000 In what way?

00:42:50.000 In like, you know, the way of the fighters getting, you know, not getting what they deserve.

00:42:57.000 In MMA? And boxing.

00:42:59.000 Well, you know, it's tricky, right?

00:43:01.000 Like this whole thing with you and Spence, like trying to negotiate a proper contract.

00:43:07.000 You know, there's a lot of vultures.

00:43:08.000 There's a lot of weasels. 0.96

00:43:10.000 The one good thing about the UFC is that there's one organization that controls it.

00:43:14.000 The one bad thing about the UFC is that there's one organization that controls it.

00:43:19.000 So you got good and bad.

00:43:20.000 So like, if I was a manager of a fighter I would want fighters like your career where you're tested and you're facing ever-increasing challenges but it's calculated.

00:43:35.000 It's calculated and you get lessons from each fight and then you build up to a point where you're ready to challenge for a title.

00:43:43.000 Like, Jon Jones fought for the title when he was 22. I mean, it was a last-minute fight, Rashad Evans got hurt, and Jon Jones went in to fight Shogun.

00:43:52.000 Jon was just so fucking talented, so above everybody else, that he dominated that fight and walked away the world champion and destroyed Shogun.

00:44:00.000 He opened up the fight with a flying knee. 1.00

00:44:03.000 22 years old, first title fight, opens up with a flying knee. 0.99

00:44:07.000 Who the fuck does that? 0.98

00:44:09.000 Nobody does it. 1.00

00:44:09.000 Everybody would be nervous. 1.00

00:44:11.000 John's just so loose and creative in there.

00:44:17.000 In MMA, a lot of times fighters get fights they're really not ready for.

00:44:21.000 And they have to take the fight.

00:44:22.000 But I'm not talking about that aspect of...

00:44:24.000 I'm talking about the business side of it.

00:44:26.000 Well, the business side, it speaks to that as well.

00:44:29.000 Because for a fighter to get to a point where they're undefeated and they have a big name, then they start getting the big money.

00:44:37.000 And then they're the headline of the card.

00:44:40.000 You know, I think there's a lot of there's a lot of good in that There's a lot of good in preparing a fighter properly like you see a lot of fighters when they fight for a title They might have like 16-1 16-0 like people like undefeated records It's very rare that a UFC fighter gets all the way to a title fight without some losses and I think that also speaks to the style differences, the wrestling, the kickbox, all the different things that you might face inside the octagon and having to prepare for that.

00:45:08.000 That's one thing I like about MMA. You know, those guys, they still, great fighters, they still get praise, you know, even though they probably got five losses.

00:45:21.000 Yes.

00:45:21.000 You know, one loss don't define how great they is, you know.

00:45:27.000 Compared to boxing.

00:45:29.000 Right.

00:45:30.000 You know, look how the media and how people is bashing Errol Spence.

00:45:35.000 Like, he's not great. 0.89

00:45:37.000 Crazy.

00:45:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:45:38.000 Just because he lost to an all-time great fighter and myself.

00:45:42.000 Right.

00:45:44.000 That's all the fighters that I didn't fought.

00:45:47.000 You know, once I fight them and, you know, I dismantle them, they say, oh, well, those guys is weak.

00:45:54.000 Those guys are not great fighters, though.

00:45:55.000 Those guys is tomato cans.

00:45:57.000 They washed up. 0.99

00:45:58.000 They bums. 0.99

00:45:59.000 I'm like, dang, how can you disrespect this man? 0.98

00:46:01.000 And he didn't work his ass off to get to the level that he is to even be able to challenge me.

00:46:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:10.000 Can I just be that good?

00:46:12.000 Why they gotta be bums? 1.00

00:46:13.000 Why they gotta be tomato cans?

00:46:15.000 Isn't that just a lot of noise though? 1.00

00:46:17.000 There's a lot of people that their opinions are stupid. 1.00

00:46:19.000 There's a lot of people that their opinions suck. 1.00

00:46:21.000 But if you watch, if you looked at my whole career, That's what was always said. 0.98

00:46:27.000 Terrence Crawford haven't fought anybody.

00:46:29.000 Terrence Crawford, you know, only fought washed fighters.

00:46:34.000 Terrence Crawford this, Terrence Crawford that.

00:46:37.000 But now, after the spins, that's what I said. 1.00

00:46:39.000 They have to shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:46:40.000 That's what I said. 1.00

00:46:41.000 But don't listen to those people.

00:46:42.000 Like, listen to Andre Ward.

00:46:44.000 No, they motivate me.

00:46:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:46:45.000 Oh, they do.

00:46:46.000 They motivate me.

00:46:47.000 Okay.

00:46:49.000 You're like David Goggins.

00:46:50.000 Yeah, I want to see it.

00:46:52.000 I want to hear.

00:46:53.000 I want to see it because, you know, that lights that fuel.

00:46:57.000 Right.

00:46:58.000 And then I just grit my teeth and be like, urr.

00:47:00.000 Well, one of the most crazy stories about your career is your mom. 0.95

00:47:04.000 It's about how your mom just never gave you any praise.

00:47:07.000 It's like, nope, not good enough.

00:47:09.000 She was tough.

00:47:10.000 She was tough, you know what I mean?

00:47:12.000 I love my mom to death.

00:47:14.000 That's my heart.

00:47:15.000 That's my girl, you know what I mean?

00:47:17.000 But that was just her way of pushing me to be great, you know what I mean?

00:47:21.000 And she just knew that her son was so competitive.

00:47:27.000 She was just like, all right, let me see how competitive you is. 0.82

00:47:31.000 Come here, little kid.

00:47:33.000 She would pay people to try to beat you up. 1.00

00:47:35.000 Yeah.

00:47:36.000 Well, we have gloves.

00:47:37.000 We have gloves, you know, because I come from a—my family was all into boxing.

00:47:43.000 My dad's side of the family, my mom's side of the family, so she was always tough.

00:47:48.000 So she'll get the little kids in the neighborhood, five hours if they can win. 0.99

00:47:52.000 We'll be in the front yard, and, you know, I beat them all up.

00:47:57.000 I beat them all up.

00:47:58.000 I be like, now what?

00:48:00.000 You give me the money.

00:48:01.000 Yeah.

00:48:03.000 It's amazing how it works.

00:48:04.000 I mean, it's not something like I think a psychologist would recommend for raising a child, but sometimes they're wrong, you know?

00:48:11.000 And it depends on the person, whether they can rise to that challenge.

00:48:15.000 And obviously, it made you great.

00:48:17.000 Yeah, I think that's why I said, you know...

00:48:21.000 I love to hear the doubters, the naysayers, because I think it's something in me from my past trauma with my mom, you know, me trying to prove her wrong, you know, me fighting for her, you know, approval.

00:48:38.000 So, you know, it goes back to when I was a kid when, you know, she would say, oh, man, you ain't gonna win it.

00:48:45.000 And I go out there and win.

00:48:47.000 I come back with the belt and she taking pictures with the belt.

00:48:52.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:48:54.000 But then, you know, when it's just me and her, you still ain't shit. 0.99

00:48:59.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:49:02.000 So I laugh and stuff like that.

00:49:04.000 That's amazing.

00:49:06.000 So it was just, you know, my mom knew what she was doing for me at a young age.

00:49:12.000 She was instilling, you know, mentally toughness because, you know, through anything that's going on in my life, I'm always focused.

00:49:21.000 No matter what it is, it can be a loud room full of people.

00:49:27.000 It can be 50 people in a room and I can be fighting the next day.

00:49:30.000 And the average person be like, man, what is you doing, dude?

00:49:33.000 You got a big fight tomorrow.

00:49:36.000 Like, you need to be focusing.

00:49:38.000 You need to be resting.

00:49:40.000 They need to be out the room.

00:49:41.000 You know, I'll be sitting there.

00:49:42.000 I'll be like, I'm good.

00:49:44.000 I'm not doing nothing.

00:49:45.000 They just sitting here talking.

00:49:47.000 What's wrong with that?

00:49:48.000 Because I'm so locked in because once I'm focused on something, that's not going to distract me.

00:49:56.000 And I think that comes from my upbringing as well.

00:50:00.000 Have you ever worked with a sports psychologist or anything?

00:50:03.000 Nah.

00:50:04.000 Nothing.

00:50:05.000 But I used to have to seek counselors and stuff like that when I was little.

00:50:09.000 If you get in trouble.

00:50:11.000 Huh?

00:50:11.000 If you get in trouble.

00:50:12.000 No, I used to get in trouble.

00:50:14.000 I used to have an anger problem.

00:50:16.000 I used to be mad at the world.

00:50:18.000 And I always tell people, I don't know why I was so mad.

00:50:20.000 But then, as I got older, I realized that, you know, my dad was gone.

00:50:26.000 And I wanted my dad to be there.

00:50:28.000 And like, my mom, like, everything, you know, I do wrong, I was getting a whooping for her.

00:50:34.000 So it was like, That's all I know. 0.99

00:50:36.000 You say something I don't like, I'm whooping your ass. 1.00

00:50:39.000 You do something I don't like, I'm whooping your ass. 1.00

00:50:41.000 So it was just like, everything that I was getting at home for getting in trouble, when I go out into the real world, I was, you know, doing the same thing that my mom was doing to me. 0.99

00:50:55.000 When I get in trouble or say something or do something that she don't like, I was getting a whooping for it, you know?

00:51:01.000 You're not listening. 0.62

00:51:02.000 So I'd be like, dude, shut up talking to me. 0.94

00:51:04.000 And you still talking to me, you're not listening. 0.88

00:51:06.000 Now we gotta fight. 1.00

00:51:08.000 I gotta beat your ass because now you're not listening. 1.00

00:51:12.000 Now you're gonna piss me off. 1.00

00:51:14.000 So, you know, I used to get in trouble a lot.

00:51:17.000 I used to get in trouble a lot.

00:51:18.000 Well, it seems like with all great fighters, they've overcome some serious problems when they're young.

00:51:23.000 Yeah.

00:51:24.000 Like every great fighter.

00:51:25.000 It's very rare that you have a great fighter that had this perfect upbringing where nothing ever went wrong, everything was fine, got everything they wanted, anything they needed.

00:51:35.000 It seems like every fighter has to come.

00:51:38.000 They have to overcome people downing them, people dismissing them.

00:51:42.000 They have to overcome that.

00:51:44.000 Oh yeah, definitely.

00:51:45.000 From school to everywhere.

00:51:48.000 A lot of people...

00:51:51.000 I don't think nobody but my family members thought that I was going to turn out to be the guy that I am today.

00:51:57.000 When I see people that knew me when I was little, they just want to cry.

00:52:05.000 But I just can't believe how of a man you grown into.

00:52:09.000 I would have never believed this would be you.

00:52:12.000 Like, you talk so well.

00:52:14.000 You ain't in trouble.

00:52:16.000 You doing things for the community.

00:52:18.000 I'm just in disbelief.

00:52:21.000 Like, I'm just so proud of you.

00:52:22.000 And I just be like, thank you.

00:52:23.000 Because nobody thought that I would turn out to be who I am today.

00:52:29.000 It just goes to show that it don't matter how you start, it always matters how you finish.

00:52:36.000 Well, it's also your composure.

00:52:38.000 You have this ability. 0.99

00:52:40.000 You can talk shit in the middle of a fight to someone who's sitting ringside. 1.00

00:52:44.000 It's kind of amazing. 0.99

00:52:45.000 You're just always composed. 0.99

00:52:48.000 I think it's because you've overcome all that shit. 0.99

00:52:51.000 But because your mind is centered. 0.99

00:52:53.000 Even when we were talking about cars earlier when I was showing you the Barracuda, you're like, I don't drive any of my cars, I drive my truck.

00:52:58.000 You just listen to all these cool cars you have, you just stay low-key.

00:53:02.000 Stay low-key and keep it together.

00:53:04.000 Stay composed.

00:53:05.000 I got to.

00:53:06.000 That's just me.

00:53:08.000 I never want to be nothing other than myself. 0.99

00:53:13.000 I remember my family members, a couple of my friends, they were like, Man, you need to talk more shit. 0.98

00:53:19.000 You need to be like Mayweather. 0.99

00:53:21.000 You need to do this.

00:53:22.000 You need to do that.

00:53:23.000 I'm like, no, I don't.

00:53:24.000 I said, that's him.

00:53:25.000 That's not me.

00:53:26.000 I mean, you see Tank now.

00:53:29.000 You see all these fighters, you know, broner them.

00:53:32.000 You see, that's how you get the money.

00:53:34.000 That's how you get the money.

00:53:35.000 You got to entertain.

00:53:36.000 You got to show the money.

00:53:37.000 You got to do this.

00:53:39.000 I'm going to be myself.

00:53:40.000 And I thrived on that, you know, because when it's all said and done, when all the money gone, when all the fans done chanting your name, Now who you really is.

00:53:54.000 Now you gotta search and find the real you.

00:53:58.000 But if the real you been there all along, you gonna be happy.

00:54:04.000 You ain't gonna have to, you know, go through therapy.

00:54:08.000 You ain't gonna have to be buying friends.

00:54:11.000 You ain't gonna be having to stay in the sport to hear that chant again.

00:54:15.000 So when you walk away from the sport, you gonna walk away from the sport as a man with your head high and you just gonna wave.

00:54:23.000 Yeah, that's beautiful.

00:54:24.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:54:25.000 Well, you have a rock-solid philosophy.

00:54:27.000 I love that.

00:54:29.000 It's one of the things I really admire about Andre Ward.

00:54:32.000 Andre Ward, Olympic gold medalist, two-division world champion, retires undefeated.

00:54:36.000 He's like, I'm gone.

00:54:37.000 That's good.

00:54:38.000 All my faculty is completely intact.

00:54:40.000 And they even offered him a big money fight against Canelo after he beat Kovalev.

00:54:45.000 After he knocked out Kovalev, they offered money to Andre.

00:54:48.000 A lot of money.

00:54:49.000 And he's like, I think I better serve boxing as a commentator.

00:54:52.000 Which is amazing for a guy who's still in his physical prime.

00:54:55.000 I mean, there's video footage of him working out.

00:54:58.000 Still in tip-top condition.

00:55:00.000 Looks fantastic.

00:55:01.000 Yeah, he had a lot of injuries, though.

00:55:03.000 Yeah, the shoulder.

00:55:04.000 And the knee.

00:55:05.000 The knee was big, but the shoulder, I mean, he's a one-armed fighter for most of his career, which is so incredible.

00:55:10.000 He beat everybody with a left hand.

00:55:12.000 Everybody.

00:55:13.000 Went through the whole Super 6 tournament.

00:55:15.000 Great.

00:55:15.000 Beat everybody with a left hand.

00:55:17.000 Great.

00:55:17.000 Yeah.

00:55:18.000 And then finally got it fixed and fucked Kovalev up in the rematch with a right hand. 0.99

00:55:22.000 Right. 0.99

00:55:22.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:55:24.000 I always said I want to retire from boxing.

00:55:27.000 I never wanted boxing to retire me.

00:55:31.000 My goal was always to retire at 33. 33?

00:55:34.000 33. Is it because the fights didn't come?

00:55:37.000 No, I just...

00:55:38.000 The Earl Spence fight?

00:55:38.000 Even before that.

00:55:39.000 But why did you decide to keep going?

00:55:41.000 I just...

00:55:42.000 I don't know.

00:55:44.000 It's just like my body was just like, man, you ain't done.

00:55:47.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:48.000 Even though, you know, I wanted to retire, it was just like, you're not done.

00:55:53.000 Like, you got a lot to prove.

00:55:55.000 You got a lot to accomplish.

00:55:57.000 You still in your prime.

00:55:59.000 So it's like, all right, keep going, because I wanted that mega fight.

00:56:04.000 I wanted that big fight to where it's like...

00:56:09.000 No denying who Terrence Crawford is, you know, or what he stood for or, you know, the family man he was.

00:56:17.000 I wanted the people still to know who Terrence Crawford was.

00:56:21.000 And I felt like there was people that knew who I was and that followed me, but it wasn't solidified worldwide yet.

00:56:34.000 But look, now even that it is, you still want the next challenge.

00:56:38.000 Nah, I really don't have nothing to prove.

00:56:40.000 I can walk away right now.

00:56:41.000 And I contemplated on that.

00:56:43.000 You know, I do that every day.

00:56:46.000 I wake up.

00:56:47.000 Do I still want to box?

00:56:50.000 Do I still want to box?

00:56:51.000 Because I don't need to box because I done great with my money.

00:56:56.000 I invested great with my money.

00:56:58.000 I got a lot of great businesses.

00:57:00.000 I got a lot of great things that I'm doing.

00:57:06.000 So, that generates money, so I don't need boxing.

00:57:11.000 I'm doing this for legacy, you know?

00:57:16.000 So, if it's not, that's why I said, if Charlo move up in weight and they strip him for his belt, there's no need for me and Charlo to fight because he's not undisputed.

00:57:28.000 You yelled at him from the ring.

00:57:29.000 Of course.

00:57:30.000 You're next.

00:57:30.000 Of course.

00:57:31.000 I've been saying that for years.

00:57:34.000 I said, I'm going to whoop Spence, then I'm going to whoop you.

00:57:38.000 And I meant it.

00:57:41.000 But yeah, if he's not undisputed, then that fight don't...

00:57:47.000 I don't know.

00:57:49.000 It's not interesting to me no more because I'm trying to make all-time history.

00:57:54.000 Right.

00:57:55.000 You know, if the Canelo fight come to fruition, then that's a fight that I'll be willing to take just off the wrist.

00:58:07.000 You know, to be one of the all-time greats that...

00:58:14.000 That's a fight.

00:58:15.000 That's the one that gets you going.

00:58:16.000 I can see it in your eyes.

00:58:17.000 Yeah.

00:58:18.000 That's a fight.

00:58:19.000 Because of the challenge.

00:58:20.000 I love the challenges.

00:58:21.000 And I love the people that...

00:58:24.000 I hear them now.

00:58:26.000 You're too little.

00:58:28.000 Canelo's gonna break you.

00:58:30.000 He's gonna stop you.

00:58:31.000 You coming from 147. That weight's too big.

00:58:35.000 This and that.

00:58:35.000 I can hear it now.

00:58:37.000 And that just excites me to go in there and just be like, okay.

00:58:41.000 Let me prove him wrong once again.

00:58:43.000 That fight would be gigantic.

00:58:46.000 If Canelo gets through Jermel and then you guys fight, that fight would be gigantic.

00:58:52.000 And it's crazy because, like, in the past, interviews, I was like, man, Canelo too big, man.

00:58:59.000 It's weight classes for a reason.

00:59:01.000 I was like, nah.

00:59:02.000 But in my mind, in my heart, I don't think nobody too big, you know, especially in a fight.

00:59:08.000 I'm a fighter.

00:59:09.000 But, like, I was thinking, like, man, it could happen.

00:59:14.000 So you start really sitting down like, man, that fight maybe can happen.

00:59:18.000 Okay, so now you start sizing him up.

00:59:22.000 He be like, alright, he 5'8", I'm 5'8".

00:59:25.000 My arm's longer than he is.

00:59:27.000 He bigger than me, but I'm faster.

00:59:31.000 So then you start doing the advantages.

00:59:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:35.000 Like, man, we right there.

00:59:37.000 We right there.

00:59:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:38.000 So I was like, man.

00:59:41.000 And it's not like he didn't go up and wait as well.

00:59:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:44.000 So that's why I was like, man, that's a fight.

00:59:47.000 And it's the same kind of fighter, too, because, like, that's why he went up and fought Bival.

00:59:52.000 That's why he fought Kovalev.

00:59:53.000 He wanted that challenge.

00:59:54.000 For him to go up from junior middleweight all the way up to light heavyweight and win the title.

00:59:59.000 Definitely.

01:00:00.000 But going up and becoming undisputed against Canelo...

01:00:08.000 Come on, man.

01:00:09.000 I'm flying in the sunset, man.

01:00:11.000 Thank you, boxing gods.

01:00:13.000 That would be it?

01:00:13.000 That would be it.

01:00:15.000 That's the only thing to get for me.

01:00:17.000 I didn't accomplish everything there is to accomplish in the sport of boxing.

01:00:26.000 There's really nothing for me to accomplish right now.

01:00:31.000 It's about the money now.

01:00:33.000 It's about the money.

01:00:35.000 I'm not going to sit here and say it's not, but the money and to beat Canelo, if that fight was ever to happen, come on, man.

01:00:45.000 Y'all better leave me alone. 1.00

01:00:49.000 Leave me alone, man.

01:00:51.000 Call me, you know what I mean, TBC, man.

01:00:55.000 Yeah.

01:00:56.000 Yeah, man.

01:00:56.000 That's what I've been thinking about.

01:00:58.000 I don't know why.

01:00:59.000 You know, I was just like, man, the last few days I was like, man, I don't know if it's God talking to me or what, but that's a fight that if he win, if Canelo win, then...

01:01:13.000 Yeah, I'm going to try to pursue that.

01:01:15.000 I love that.

01:01:16.000 I love that mentality.

01:01:18.000 I do.

01:01:19.000 I love it.

01:01:20.000 Because that's where it's at.

01:01:21.000 That's what makes all-time greats.

01:01:23.000 It's like you have to have that mountain to climb.

01:01:26.000 But nobody went up, I don't think nobody went up three-way classes.

01:01:31.000 Well, didn't Roy?

01:01:33.000 Roy started at 160, wanted 168. No, I'm saying, I'm saying, at once.

01:01:38.000 Right.

01:01:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:40.000 From 147 to 168. No.

01:01:44.000 The closest to that is when Canelo went up 68 to 75, starting at 54. No, not starting.

01:01:50.000 I'm saying I started at 135. Right, that's true.

01:01:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:54.000 I'm just saying, like, say if Canelo was the champion at 147 to go up 168. Right, right, right.

01:02:02.000 Right in one jump.

01:02:03.000 Yeah, in one jump.

01:02:04.000 It's a big jump, too.

01:02:07.000 21 pounds.

01:02:08.000 It's a lot of weight.

01:02:09.000 It's a lot of weight.

01:02:10.000 Yeah, that's exciting.

01:02:11.000 I spar big guys, though.

01:02:12.000 Do you?

01:02:12.000 Yeah, I spar big guys.

01:02:15.000 That's why I'm like, I started thinking like, man.

01:02:19.000 I don't know.

01:02:20.000 I probably can be great.

01:02:23.000 I probably can be great, you know what I mean?

01:02:25.000 But, you know, it's different in the fight, but I believe in my skills and my ability, and I believe in my team.

01:02:32.000 I believe we'll come up with something that, you know, would be suitable for me to be successful in that fight.

01:02:40.000 That would probably be the biggest fight in boxing.

01:02:43.000 Definitely.

01:02:44.000 That fight would be gigantic.

01:02:45.000 It would.

01:02:46.000 That would be a big one.

01:02:47.000 I have to go to that one.

01:02:49.000 Definitely.

01:02:49.000 You were supposed to go to this last one.

01:02:51.000 I couldn't.

01:02:51.000 That was at the UFC. I wanted to go.

01:02:53.000 It's crazy how they had it on the same day. 0.98

01:02:55.000 Yeah, it sucked.

01:02:56.000 But it was good because my fight was early than y'all fight was later on that night. 0.74

01:03:02.000 Unfortunately, somebody spoiled it for me.

01:03:04.000 Oh, they did?

01:03:05.000 Yeah, they spoiled it for me.

01:03:07.000 Then I said, all right, let me watch the highlights.

01:03:09.000 I just watched the highlights on my phone. 1.00

01:03:11.000 I was like, oh, shit! 0.99

01:03:13.000 Then I got home and watched the whole fight on the big screen. 0.99

01:03:16.000 That's what's up.

01:03:17.000 I actually got Paramount Plus just for you.

01:03:19.000 Yeah.

01:03:20.000 So I could watch it.

01:03:21.000 You couldn't watch it anywhere else after it was already aired.

01:03:24.000 I appreciate it.

01:03:24.000 It is magnificent, man.

01:03:26.000 I love excellence.

01:03:28.000 I love when someone just rises to the top of A shark-infested pool, because that's what boxing is.

01:03:37.000 When you're at your level, and when you can perform that way against a guy like Errol Spence, against a guy who's an undefeated, elite champion, and for you to perform that way.

01:03:48.000 That's just what, to me, what boxing is all about.

01:03:50.000 When one person shows that there are levels upon levels upon levels upon levels.

01:03:56.000 Yeah.

01:03:57.000 You know, and then it puts you in this category where people go, okay, well, what other champions can move around in weight classes or go up or come down?

01:04:06.000 Like, you know, I know there's been a lot of discussion about different people from different weight classes coming up to you.

01:04:12.000 Is there anything else that's interesting to you other than Canelo or Jamel?

01:04:18.000 Nah.

01:04:19.000 Nothing?

01:04:20.000 Nope.

01:04:23.000 You just need dragons to slay.

01:04:25.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:26.000 At this point in your life, you can't even fight a regular fighter.

01:04:29.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:04:31.000 I get excited.

01:04:32.000 I don't know why.

01:04:33.000 I get excited when I talk about Canelo like I used to get excited about Pacquiao.

01:04:40.000 Really?

01:04:41.000 I used to get so excited.

01:04:43.000 Like, man, I'm going to be able to fight Pacquiao.

01:04:47.000 Is that the one you think got away?

01:04:49.000 No.

01:04:49.000 Yeah, it definitely did.

01:04:51.000 It definitely did.

01:04:52.000 I tried my eyes off.

01:04:54.000 What stopped that fight from happening?

01:04:55.000 They didn't want to fight.

01:04:56.000 It's too dangerous.

01:04:57.000 They didn't want to fight.

01:04:58.000 Freddie Roach said he didn't want to fight.

01:05:03.000 Pacquiao handlers didn't want to fight.

01:05:05.000 I believe Pacquiao, as a fighter, he wanted to fight, but they didn't want to fight for him.

01:05:13.000 It just got away.

01:05:15.000 Looking back at Floyd's career, him coming up in the era that he came up in, he had all them champions that he was able to fight.

01:05:27.000 That's what led him to be so great because he fought the most champions, beat the most champions, got the most money for beating the most champions.

01:05:40.000 So it was just like, man, he had this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy.

01:05:44.000 Back to back, the fight, one after one.

01:05:49.000 When I was coming at the peak of my career, they all retired.

01:05:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:58.000 So it was like, I can't get these guys' name on my resume.

01:06:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:02.000 So it was just like...

01:06:05.000 Now, I'm the old guy in the era that the young guys want to try to get a piece of to build their legacy and put names on their resume.

01:06:21.000 History is going to keep repeating itself.

01:06:25.000 Yeah, there's always going to be a new guy coming up.

01:06:28.000 Right now, you've got Booth Tennis in your weight class.

01:06:32.000 Definitely.

01:06:32.000 What do you think about him?

01:06:34.000 Oh, he's very talented.

01:06:36.000 He's unproven, but he's very talented.

01:06:39.000 The eye test tells it all.

01:06:41.000 He's got the it, but we haven't seen him against any elite fighter.

01:06:48.000 We've never seen him tested.

01:06:51.000 Until then, we're just going to keep saying, boots, boots, boots, until he meet that fighter that's going to test him.

01:06:59.000 Is he the mandatory?

01:07:01.000 Yeah.

01:07:02.000 I probably got like three mandatories.

01:07:05.000 Really?

01:07:05.000 Oh, right.

01:07:06.000 Four weight classes, four belts.

01:07:08.000 Yeah.

01:07:09.000 Is that a fight that you would be interested in?

01:07:11.000 Nah.

01:07:14.000 It just don't make sense right now in my career, like I said.

01:07:18.000 Especially money-wise.

01:07:19.000 Don't nobody really know Boots, but us.

01:07:23.000 I'm looking for bigger and better challenges like Canelo.

01:07:27.000 You're just looking for the big ones.

01:07:29.000 Yeah.

01:07:29.000 The big fish.

01:07:31.000 Fish fry.

01:07:32.000 Definitely.

01:07:33.000 Definitely.

01:07:35.000 Them the guys I'm looking for.

01:07:37.000 Why do you say fish fry?

01:07:40.000 Because he called himself the big fish.

01:07:43.000 You know, Errol said he was the big fish and I said we was going to fry him.

01:07:48.000 We was going to reel him in, we was going to put him on the bank, we was going to gut him, we was going to fillet him, then we was going to fry him.

01:07:57.000 And that's what happened. 0.88

01:07:58.000 Yeah, and you did it.

01:08:00.000 This is a great time for boxing.

01:08:03.000 There's so many stars coming up right now.

01:08:06.000 And everybody fighting each other.

01:08:08.000 Yeah.

01:08:08.000 What did you think of the Lomachenko-Devin Haney fight?

01:08:10.000 That was a great fight.

01:08:12.000 I was actually ringside.

01:08:14.000 You know, Devin showed a lot of heart and grit.

01:08:19.000 Canelo showed a lot of heart and grit.

01:08:21.000 Lomachenko.

01:08:22.000 I mean, yeah.

01:08:23.000 I said Canelo.

01:08:24.000 See, my mind...

01:08:25.000 He's like, you're locked in.

01:08:26.000 Yes.

01:08:27.000 Lomachenko, he showed a lot of heart and grit and, you know, they fought their ass off.

01:08:32.000 You know, they fought their ass off and the better man won that day.

01:08:36.000 Did you think that the decision made sense?

01:08:39.000 Man, listen, I'm not no judge.

01:08:42.000 I always tell people I'm not a judge.

01:08:45.000 I can't tell a person that's been judging probably longer than I've been boxing what he's basing his rounds on or why he give what round to who.

01:09:04.000 We can argue all day, but that ain't going to change the results.

01:09:08.000 Right.

01:09:09.000 So I just don't get into it.

01:09:11.000 I just hope that I'll never be on the end of that stick.

01:09:16.000 Right.

01:09:16.000 Yeah, that's what's unfortunate, is that it was such a great fight, but so many people thought the decision wasn't right, that it sort of diminished the accomplishments of both fighters.

01:09:25.000 Because Devin Haney fought a brilliant fight, and so did Lomachenko.

01:09:28.000 I mean, Lomachenko turned the clock back.

01:09:30.000 He looked incredible.

01:09:31.000 Yeah, both of them put on a show.

01:09:36.000 I was rooting for Devin the whole time.

01:09:39.000 But both of them put a hell of a show on.

01:09:43.000 Gotta tip my hats off to them because they put it all on the line. 0.98

01:09:48.000 Yeah, and you know, that weight class is a fucking stacked weight class too.

01:09:52.000 When Devin Haney beat Kambosis and beat him twice and just the way he did it, like the way he looked. 0.95

01:09:58.000 Oh, I already knew that.

01:10:00.000 You already knew that?

01:10:01.000 Definitely.

01:10:02.000 Not taking nothing away from Kambosis, it's just... 0.98

01:10:05.000 Levels.

01:10:06.000 It's levels.

01:10:07.000 Levels.

01:10:07.000 You know, it's the reason why, you know, people was avoiding Devin and Shakur.

01:10:13.000 Right.

01:10:14.000 Because those two boxing...

01:10:19.000 If you're not on that level mentally, you're not even going to compete with those two dudes.

01:10:29.000 It's such an interesting thing because a lot of people don't know The general public.

01:10:36.000 When someone gets to an elite level, they need some high-profile fight in order for people to realize.

01:10:43.000 Because all the boxing fans realize.

01:10:45.000 Shakur's a great example.

01:10:47.000 He's not really a household name, but he should be.

01:10:50.000 He's an elite fighter. 0.97

01:10:52.000 He's so fucking good. 0.97

01:10:54.000 But he needs a big, high-profile fight, like Gervonta did. 0.98

01:11:00.000 Nobody want to fight him.

01:11:02.000 Nobody want to fight him.

01:11:04.000 And I see why.

01:11:06.000 I get it.

01:11:07.000 But at the same time, they're going to have to see him sooner or later.

01:11:12.000 No matter what, no matter how far they go, they're going to have to see him sooner or later.

01:11:19.000 All these fighters, he's calling out everybody.

01:11:23.000 He's calling out the Pitbull.

01:11:24.000 He's calling out Lomachinko. 1.00

01:11:25.000 He's calling out Devin.

01:11:27.000 He's calling out Tane.

01:11:29.000 He's calling out everybody.

01:11:31.000 He want to fight everybody right now.

01:11:36.000 That's a dangerous man when you know how talented he is.

01:11:39.000 He's motivated.

01:11:40.000 He's focused.

01:11:41.000 He's staying in the gym.

01:11:44.000 He's a gym rat.

01:11:45.000 He loves boxing to the core.

01:11:49.000 Yeah, that's a dangerous man right now because he got something on his mind that he want to accomplish.

01:11:57.000 And he's still very young.

01:11:58.000 Very young and still getting better with every fight.

01:12:01.000 Him versus Tank would be insane.

01:12:04.000 Tank is one of the most interesting fighters to watch.

01:12:07.000 Because he's so different.

01:12:08.000 His style is so different.

01:12:09.000 You know, he's so economical.

01:12:11.000 Like, he puts pressure on guys without throwing too many punches.

01:12:14.000 And then starts to figure holes out.

01:12:17.000 And the way he can explode and move in with one shot.

01:12:21.000 My God.

01:12:23.000 Yeah, he's very explosive.

01:12:25.000 He's very explosive.

01:12:26.000 And, you know, man, he'd be cracking them dudes.

01:12:30.000 God.

01:12:31.000 Cracking people.

01:12:33.000 He be putting him to sleep.

01:12:34.000 Just cracking people.

01:12:36.000 And he has so much confidence in his power.

01:12:39.000 So much confidence in his power. 0.99

01:12:41.000 He doesn't give a fuck if he's giving away a couple rounds. 0.99

01:12:42.000 Yeah, he definitely be giving away rounds. 0.99

01:12:45.000 But, you know, he just, in his mind, he know it's a matter of time before I catch you.

01:12:50.000 And that's the thing with Tank, you know, these fighters.

01:12:54.000 You know, you got to be aware...

01:13:00.000 15 rounds.

01:13:01.000 I know you're going 12, but you got to think you're going three more because, you know, the slightest slip, and we've seen it, you know, time and time again.

01:13:12.000 One slip, one mistake, and it's over.

01:13:16.000 Yeah.

01:13:16.000 You know, so...

01:13:18.000 You know, hats off to Tank.

01:13:21.000 You know, he's a great, talented fighter.

01:13:24.000 But again, he haven't faced the top elite fighters in his division.

01:13:30.000 Right.

01:13:30.000 You know, so we want to see Tank against, you know, somebody his size, you know, at the elite level.

01:13:38.000 Yeah.

01:13:38.000 And I believe he'll do good because, you know, he got the skills, the power.

01:13:43.000 He got that ring IQ to do good.

01:13:45.000 But we haven't seen that yet.

01:13:47.000 Yeah, he's also wild.

01:13:50.000 He's a wild fella, so he's fun to watch. 0.83

01:13:52.000 He's just a crazy dude.

01:13:54.000 Yeah, coming from Baltimore, man, I think that's just his upbringing as well. 0.99

01:13:59.000 Product of his own environment.

01:14:01.000 Yes, yes, for sure.

01:14:03.000 He's just so unique in his approach.

01:14:06.000 He doesn't fight like anybody else.

01:14:09.000 Yeah, it's alright.

01:14:12.000 I just get very frustrated when there's amazing fights that are on the table that don't get made, you know, like Usyk and Tyson Fury.

01:14:20.000 Yeah.

01:14:20.000 I was like, I want to see.

01:14:21.000 I know Usyk is small, right? 0.99

01:14:24.000 I know he's small for the weight class, but goddamn that dude's good. 0.99

01:14:28.000 Goddamn he's good. 0.99

01:14:29.000 And the pace that he fights at for a heavyweight is insane. 0.95

01:14:33.000 Definitely.

01:14:34.000 I think that goes back to, you know, the business.

01:14:36.000 Mm-hmm.

01:14:37.000 You know, um...

01:14:40.000 On the business side, Usyk is a great fighter and has accomplished great things in the sport of boxing.

01:14:49.000 And for him to get disrespected in the negotiations, because I'm pretty sure that's probably what it came down to, is not right.

01:15:01.000 Well, he was willing to accept 70-30, which is crazy, but he's like, I want this fight.

01:15:07.000 This is a big fight.

01:15:07.000 And he must realize also that 30% of a Tyson Fury fight is probably bigger than anything he's ever had before in his life.

01:15:14.000 But I still honestly think, you know, he deserved more than that.

01:15:19.000 I think so too.

01:15:20.000 But I love the fact that he said yes, and then it still didn't happen.

01:15:25.000 Right.

01:15:25.000 So, you know, who was behind the reason why it didn't happen?

01:15:31.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:15:32.000 That's when you start asking those type of questions.

01:15:35.000 Who do you think was behind it?

01:15:37.000 I don't know.

01:15:37.000 I can't say.

01:15:38.000 I wasn't, you know, in the negotiations, but, you know, it should be some type of forum where, you know, these fights should be mandatory to happen so you can clean up the sport of boxing and it can only be one champion in one division.

01:15:55.000 Like the UFC. Right.

01:15:57.000 I think we got too many titles.

01:16:00.000 I think we got too many sanctioned bodies.

01:16:02.000 I think we need to clean up the sport as a whole.

01:16:07.000 I think the fighters need pensions.

01:16:11.000 We need 401Ks. 1.00

01:16:13.000 We need a union. 0.84

01:16:15.000 We need health insurance.

01:16:18.000 I think we need all that.

01:16:19.000 You know, we put our life on the line to go out here and entertain, you know, the people.

01:16:27.000 And once we're done entertaining, we leave home, you know, and we come home not the same fighter that we once was when we left.

01:16:39.000 You know, and it's heartbreaking to see a lot of these old-time fighters You know, that speaking impaired and, you know, can't enjoy the fruit of their labor or just flat out broke. 0.66

01:16:54.000 And they gave their life to the sport and doesn't have anything to show for it.

01:17:00.000 And I think that's wrong.

01:17:02.000 I think, you know, we need to create something to where At least the fighters can you know live comfortable after the sport of boxing given if you know something dramatic was to happen or you know you didn't put in a certain amount of years in a sport that you can pay in on your own to have you a 401k so when you retire you got some type of income coming in because When you're getting that much

01:17:32.000 money so fast and so frequently, you're just spending.

01:17:36.000 You're just spending because in your mind, I'm going to fight again and I'm going to get it again.

01:17:41.000 I'm going to fight again, then I'm going to get it again.

01:17:44.000 But then you start living off of that. 0.92

01:17:46.000 And then once you get to the end, tail end of your career, you're like, damn, I didn't spend it. 0.81

01:17:51.000 Millions and millions, and I got a couple of more fights. 0.81

01:17:54.000 Now you're struggling, you know, because you got to pay taxes.

01:17:58.000 If not, they come to take everything you got.

01:18:00.000 And then, you know, you pay taxes, now you got not even half of that. 0.94

01:18:05.000 And now you're looking like, damn, I got to make this stretch. 0.95

01:18:08.000 And then you ain't got no work ethic skills because you've been boxing your whole life. 0.99

01:18:13.000 You didn't go to college to get no curricular skills in other lanes.

01:18:20.000 So, uh...

01:18:21.000 Yeah, I think we need to create something to clean up the sport of boxing.

01:18:24.000 Do you think it's possible to eliminate the sanctioning bodies?

01:18:28.000 I mean, the only person that can kind of do it is a guy like you.

01:18:31.000 Because, like, if you're a world champion in four different organizations, you're undisputed.

01:18:36.000 There's no one that can say they're the welterweight champion of the world, except for Terrence Crawford. 0.99

01:18:40.000 If you say, All these belts are bullshit. 0.99

01:18:43.000 Like, I'm the fucking champion, whether it's the Ring Magazine belt or whatever you sanction, whatever you sanction. 1.00

01:18:51.000 Do you think it's possible to do something like that? 0.98

01:18:54.000 I think it is.

01:18:55.000 I think anything is possible.

01:18:57.000 You know, I think Floyd, I think Canelo, they showed us time and time again that it's not about the belts.

01:19:06.000 When you get to a certain point in your career, you're bigger than the belts.

01:19:09.000 Right.

01:19:11.000 Coming up, everybody want to be a champion.

01:19:14.000 But once you get your name out there and you become a megastar or a star, the belts don't mean nothing.

01:19:21.000 We paying for the belts.

01:19:22.000 How much do you have to pay?

01:19:23.000 We got to pay like, what, 3%?

01:19:26.000 3%?

01:19:27.000 2%, 3%?

01:19:29.000 That's crazy.

01:19:30.000 Definitely.

01:19:30.000 That's so crazy.

01:19:32.000 It's like, I'm paying you to make me a belt.

01:19:35.000 And do you have to pay 3% to each individual section?

01:19:38.000 Yeah.

01:19:38.000 Wow!

01:19:39.000 Some of them is different.

01:19:40.000 Some of them is 3%, some of them 2%.

01:19:43.000 You know, so it's like, I'm paying for you to come out here and watch me fight to give me a belt that, you know what I mean, I'm already paying for.

01:19:55.000 Come on now.

01:19:56.000 I'm paying you.

01:19:57.000 You're not paying me.

01:19:59.000 I'm paying you.

01:20:00.000 The only one that really matters is the ring belt because it's free.

01:20:05.000 It's free.

01:20:06.000 Why do I gotta pay to be champion?

01:20:08.000 Once you start thinking about that, like, dang.

01:20:11.000 Yeah.

01:20:11.000 I'm paying all this money.

01:20:12.000 And the ring magazine belt is as respected as any of them.

01:20:16.000 Yeah.

01:20:16.000 That's the number one guy in the division.

01:20:18.000 Yeah.

01:20:18.000 That's how it should be.

01:20:19.000 I don't think, you know, a champion should have to pay to be champion.

01:20:24.000 No.

01:20:25.000 Where is all the other money going to?

01:20:27.000 Yeah.

01:20:28.000 You know, especially when you get to these high-priced fights, you know, that 2% and 3% is turning into a lot of money.

01:20:37.000 Yes.

01:20:38.000 So you're like, okay, so what is you doing with the money?

01:20:40.000 Right.

01:20:41.000 What is the money going to?

01:20:42.000 Where's the value?

01:20:43.000 Yeah.

01:20:44.000 Yeah.

01:20:44.000 The value is entirely in you.

01:20:47.000 Definitely.

01:20:47.000 In you and your name.

01:20:49.000 People don't give a fuck about those three letters. 0.99

01:20:51.000 At all. 0.97

01:20:52.000 At all.

01:20:53.000 They just know Terrence Crawford's the best.

01:20:56.000 And who he's fighting, who cares, like whatever it is, that's the big fight. 0.89

01:21:02.000 WBO, WBC, IBF, nobody gives a fuck. 0.95

01:21:05.000 They don't. 0.99

01:21:05.000 Nobody gives a fuck. 0.99

01:21:06.000 They care about who you beat. 0.98

01:21:11.000 Nobody, you know what I mean, care about the belts.

01:21:14.000 You know, yeah, it's cool to say, you know what I mean, He's an undisputed champion of the world, or he's a champion of the world.

01:21:21.000 That's beautiful.

01:21:23.000 That's history.

01:21:25.000 That's legacy.

01:21:26.000 But at the end of the day, it's all about the man's future.

01:21:33.000 That money that we spend on them belts with them sanctioned bodies can go to our kids and our family.

01:21:42.000 It's a lot of money.

01:21:45.000 A lot of leeches. 0.56

01:21:46.000 Yeah.

01:21:48.000 What do you think about what Floyd's doing?

01:21:50.000 What Floyd's doing is kind of crazy.

01:21:52.000 I love it.

01:21:52.000 It's amazing.

01:21:53.000 He's making more money than most boxers just fighting people who have zero chance.

01:21:57.000 I love it.

01:21:58.000 I love it because it's entertainment.

01:22:00.000 Yes.

01:22:03.000 Ali did it. 0.68

01:22:04.000 Tyson did it.

01:22:05.000 Like, why can't Floyd do it?

01:22:06.000 A lot of people...

01:22:07.000 Well, Floyd's doing it better than anybody.

01:22:09.000 Yeah, that's what I was about to say.

01:22:10.000 A lot of people are getting mad because how well he's doing it.

01:22:13.000 Yeah.

01:22:14.000 But if I was in Floyd's position and I got the opportunity to do what Floyd is doing right now, travel the world, sparring, I would do it.

01:22:27.000 We spar for free.

01:22:28.000 Why not spar for some millions of dollars?

01:22:32.000 It's not going on my record.

01:22:33.000 I'm entertaining.

01:22:36.000 I'm getting a workout at the same time.

01:22:40.000 Why not?

01:22:41.000 Right.

01:22:42.000 No, I agree.

01:22:43.000 I think it's amazing.

01:22:44.000 I just love the fact that he's gamed the system.

01:22:46.000 Yeah.

01:22:47.000 You know, because the system is you get to a certain point in time, you're a champion, make as much money as you possibly can, you retire, and then there's no more money.

01:22:55.000 And Floyd's like, let me just box some people that have zero chance.

01:22:59.000 Yeah.

01:22:59.000 And then now with what's going on in Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, you can get paid insane amounts of money.

01:23:07.000 If you're Floyd, people just want to see you perform.

01:23:10.000 Definitely.

01:23:11.000 Not just if you're Floyd.

01:23:13.000 You see Tyson Fury now went over there.

01:23:15.000 Well, he's got a fight in Ghana.

01:23:16.000 Yeah, that's happening in October.

01:23:18.000 That is an interesting thing.

01:23:20.000 That's an interesting thing because you got a guy in Francis Ngannou who was the heavyweight champ, retired from the UFC, left the UFC as the champ, but has zero professional boxing fights.

01:23:32.000 He has no chance.

01:23:34.000 We're not.

01:23:36.000 When I was doing an interview at the UFC gym, they asked me about the fight.

01:23:43.000 I said, you have no chance.

01:23:45.000 Tyson Fury all day.

01:23:46.000 You're talking about one of the best heavyweights.

01:23:49.000 Ever.

01:23:50.000 Ever.

01:23:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:52.000 And you think this guy with no boxing experience is going to come in there and just beat him?

01:23:57.000 He don't hit harder than Deontay Wilder.

01:24:03.000 No, nobody hits harder than Deontay.

01:24:04.000 So what you think this guy going to do with them 10-ounce gloves on?

01:24:08.000 Now with 4 ounces, 6 ounces, what he wear, he probably strong.

01:24:12.000 But add some more ounces on, you know, it's a different game.

01:24:16.000 He's going to get tired.

01:24:18.000 You know, it's going to be a different game.

01:24:21.000 Yeah, he doesn't have the experience.

01:24:23.000 And to go from...

01:24:25.000 Listen, I think that he could have a...

01:24:27.000 He's also 36. Yeah.

01:24:30.000 You know, he could have a career as a heavyweight boxer because he hit so fucking hard.

01:24:35.000 If they built him up and he starts fighting guys and, you know, different styles and gets to the point where he's really got experience a few years down the line, he could fight world-class fighters.

01:24:45.000 I think he could fight good boxers if he learns those lessons.

01:24:49.000 I don't know.

01:24:50.000 But to do it at 36, that's what I'm saying.

01:24:52.000 That's a little up there, you know.

01:24:54.000 That's up there.

01:24:57.000 It's going to take some years to develop him.

01:24:59.000 A long time.

01:25:00.000 To take him through them steps and get tested and, you know, he walking right into the championship with nothing.

01:25:06.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:25:07.000 Yeah.

01:25:08.000 I commend him, though.

01:25:09.000 Oh, well, he wants the bag.

01:25:11.000 He's going to get a big one.

01:25:12.000 I mean, I don't know what he's going to get paid, but it's going to be more money than he's ever made before.

01:25:15.000 Right.

01:25:15.000 I believe him.

01:25:16.000 Yeah.

01:25:17.000 That's why all those MMA guys coming over to boxing, trying to, you know, they see Conor McGregor, they like, oh, made all that money?

01:25:24.000 Yeah.

01:25:25.000 Let me try.

01:25:26.000 Yeah.

01:25:27.000 That was a fascinating fight, Conor versus Floyd.

01:25:30.000 It was fascinating.

01:25:31.000 Because Conor's a talented fighter, but to just jump right in against the best ever.

01:25:38.000 Like, it's just...

01:25:39.000 Hey, he did what he had to do.

01:25:42.000 Yeah.

01:25:43.000 Got that back.

01:25:45.000 That's all it comes down to.

01:25:48.000 You know, solidifying yourself and taking care of your family.

01:25:53.000 Yeah.

01:25:53.000 You know, that's why I say a lot of people, they look at a lot of these boxers that have a loss and then they just think they're not good or, you know, great.

01:26:04.000 Man, them guys train their ass off.

01:26:06.000 You know what these fighters go through in the MMA and boxing?

01:26:12.000 Fighters go through the most to just entertain and put food on the tables for their family and their children, take care of them, and they don't get the recognition or respect that they deserve. 0.99

01:26:24.000 You see all these other sports, they get praise, but boxing and MMA is, man, that shit is hard. 0.98

01:26:34.000 It's like you versus one man brutally trying to kill each other for some money. 0.99

01:26:42.000 For people to be cheering.

01:26:44.000 The fight is the easy part.

01:26:49.000 You don't see the injuries I had to overcome in training camp.

01:26:53.000 You don't see all the mornings I had to get up when I was tired.

01:26:56.000 You don't see all the hard other training that I had to do To get to right now.

01:27:03.000 They see things right now.

01:27:05.000 They don't see the years that I had to do just to get to this point.

01:27:11.000 They don't see all the sacrifices I had to make to get to this point.

01:27:16.000 They just see you right now.

01:27:18.000 They could have been a fan of you from your last fight, but what about You before that last fight.

01:27:25.000 What about you the whole 10 plus years that you've been doing this sport as a professional?

01:27:31.000 What about that?

01:27:32.000 And it's just like, man, I didn't work my ass off to get to this point right now. 1.00

01:27:38.000 And it's like, this shit didn't come easy. 1.00

01:27:41.000 You might think it is because you just now noticing that Me and my career, but this shit was hard. 1.00

01:27:49.000 Like, who thinks getting punched in the face, in the head, that's tough living. 0.99

01:27:56.000 It's tough living.

01:27:58.000 Especially at a championship level.

01:28:00.000 That's tough living.

01:28:00.000 I think most people will...

01:28:02.000 Don't have any comprehension of the amount of sacrifice, the amount of just determination and will and discipline that you have to have.

01:28:12.000 Yeah.

01:28:13.000 It's hard, man.

01:28:15.000 I don't...

01:28:16.000 My kids...

01:28:18.000 No.

01:28:19.000 No football, no boxing.

01:28:21.000 Good for you.

01:28:22.000 They hate it, but when you get to a point where you can make decisions on your own, I'm out of it.

01:28:30.000 But I'd rather you keep wrestling, keep playing basketball.

01:28:34.000 It's college tuition already paid for, so y'all good.

01:28:37.000 You know, think of something else.

01:28:39.000 Go play soccer.

01:28:40.000 Go play tennis or something.

01:28:41.000 Go play baseball.

01:28:43.000 You know...

01:28:45.000 Coming up in the hood, there's three things that the black community raised. 0.74

01:28:54.000 Basketball, football, boxers, wrestlers as well.

01:28:59.000 But you can't make no money in wrestling.

01:29:00.000 That's UFC. But yeah, come on now.

01:29:04.000 There's other sports that you can do.

01:29:08.000 Golf, they make a lot of money.

01:29:10.000 Baseball, they make a lot of money. 0.89

01:29:12.000 Soccer, they make a shit ton of money.

01:29:15.000 So it's like, you know, when they're little, they just be like, I want to make a lot of money.

01:29:19.000 I want to be a basketball player.

01:29:21.000 Well, you're not going to be 6'5".

01:29:24.000 You're going to be 4'11".

01:29:28.000 It's always the real, real short kids that's talking about they want to go to the NBA. And I always get mad when the people say, you can be whatever you want to be.

01:29:40.000 No, you can't.

01:29:41.000 That was a lie.

01:29:42.000 You cannot be whatever you want to be.

01:29:45.000 No matter what you say, how hard you train, genetics is genetics.

01:29:52.000 Football, you might be too small.

01:29:55.000 Basketball, you might be too short.

01:29:56.000 You can't be the president just because you want to be the president.

01:29:59.000 So don't tell this person you can be whatever you want to be.

01:30:02.000 Then you grow up thinking, I want to be the president.

01:30:06.000 Well, you can try.

01:30:07.000 I'm not gonna kill your dreams, but it's gonna be hard for you to be the president.

01:30:12.000 Yeah.

01:30:12.000 Well, at least the president doesn't rely too much on genetics.

01:30:16.000 Yeah.

01:30:16.000 Because we were talking about this last night that there's levels upon levels upon levels And the truly elite have everything.

01:30:27.000 They have talent.

01:30:29.000 They have the mind for it.

01:30:31.000 They have the genetics.

01:30:33.000 And they have the training.

01:30:35.000 And they have the discipline.

01:30:37.000 Because some really talented people don't work as hard.

01:30:40.000 Definitely.

01:30:41.000 We've all encountered it.

01:30:42.000 That's the Buster Douglas story, right?

01:30:44.000 Super talented.

01:30:45.000 Just only really applied himself during the Tyson fight.

01:30:49.000 You know, in camp, and look how he came out.

01:30:52.000 I mean, his mom had died.

01:30:53.000 He was devastated and heartbroken, and he decided he was going to win the fight for his mother. 0.99

01:30:57.000 Trained like a fucking demon, and came out and outboxed Tyson. 0.99

01:31:01.000 Was hitting him with that jab left hook. 1.00

01:31:03.000 Like, what? 1.00

01:31:05.000 Like, who fucking expected that? 0.99

01:31:06.000 He looked so good. 0.99

01:31:07.000 He looked like an all-time great in that fight.

01:31:10.000 Yeah.

01:31:10.000 I remember watching that fight and watching the Tyson-Holyfield fight in my mom's living room on the box TVs with the big backs and stuff.

01:31:25.000 Yeah, man, I used to be like, man, dang, man, it was kind of sad watching Tyson lose his first fight.

01:31:32.000 It was unbelievable.

01:31:34.000 Even though I saw the fight after the result.

01:31:37.000 I didn't see the fight when it happened.

01:31:39.000 I saw it afterwards.

01:31:40.000 I knew what happened and I still couldn't believe it.

01:31:43.000 I'm like, he's going to get up.

01:31:44.000 He's going to get up and he's going to win.

01:31:46.000 He always wins.

01:31:47.000 He's going to win.

01:31:48.000 He couldn't believe it.

01:31:49.000 That's how...

01:31:51.000 Revered Mike Tyson was.

01:31:53.000 Everything was, like, silent.

01:31:55.000 It's crazy.

01:31:56.000 Everybody was just like, what?

01:31:57.000 And then, like, when Roy Jones Jr. got knocked out by Tarver, like, man, people was crying in my house.

01:32:06.000 Well, we was at my coach's house.

01:32:08.000 People was crying.

01:32:10.000 I was like, man, I was, like, heartbroken.

01:32:13.000 Like, you know, like, when you go on a roller coaster, then you go down and your stomach sinks in.

01:32:18.000 Yeah.

01:32:18.000 So I was like, Oh, Roy.

01:32:21.000 I know.

01:32:22.000 Dang, man.

01:32:23.000 Like, I couldn't believe it.

01:32:25.000 I'm like, man, I just knew Roy was going to win.

01:32:27.000 I was like, man, he shouldn't have fought him again.

01:32:31.000 I was like, he should have just took the win and then fight him again.

01:32:36.000 Well, he had gone all the way up to heavyweight and all the way back down to light heavyweight, and I think that weight cut was brutal.

01:32:43.000 But he still won, though.

01:32:45.000 Yeah.

01:32:45.000 He shouldn't have fought him again.

01:32:47.000 Right.

01:32:49.000 I sound like a little kid.

01:32:51.000 I know.

01:32:51.000 Should have fought him again, man.

01:32:53.000 And I'm cool as hell with Tarver, you know what I mean?

01:32:56.000 Both of them.

01:32:57.000 Tarver's a great fighter.

01:32:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:59.000 He shouldn't have fought him again.

01:33:01.000 But when they were reading the instructions to him, and he said, you got any excuses tonight, Roy?

01:33:07.000 I was like, oh my god.

01:33:09.000 That was heavy.

01:33:11.000 Then he went on to knock him out.

01:33:13.000 That was legendary.

01:33:14.000 That was a rough one, but for me, the rougher one was Glenn Johnson.

01:33:17.000 Yeah.

01:33:17.000 When Glenn Johnson knocked him out because he was stiff.

01:33:20.000 And it was right after the Tarver knockout.

01:33:23.000 And he didn't even look like he hit him that hard.

01:33:24.000 I just think, you know, after that, Roy just couldn't take the punches no more.

01:33:28.000 Right.

01:33:29.000 Because it seemed like, you know, his body wasn't reacting the same way to the punches.

01:33:35.000 You know, every time he get hit with a clean shot, it was like rattling on him.

01:33:40.000 Mm-hmm.

01:33:41.000 You know, and I always tell people, it's not the punch.

01:33:45.000 It's your brain.

01:33:48.000 Gotta have that water.

01:33:49.000 A lot of people be dehydrating themselves to the fact where, you know, they losing too much water in their brain and then once they get hit, their brain is knocking against nothing, just your skull.

01:34:05.000 And then that snap, that's what knocks them out.

01:34:10.000 Yeah, you see a lot of that in MMA. Guys cut a tremendous amount of weight in MMA. Man, you know, I got friends that's in the MMA, and I've never seen somebody lose so much weight in one day just to make weight.

01:34:26.000 It's crazy.

01:34:27.000 It's like, man, them dudes losing like 12 pounds.

01:34:29.000 More.

01:34:30.000 I'm like, how y'all losing so much weight in one day? 0.82

01:34:33.000 Like, nah, y'all crazy.

01:34:36.000 Yeah, and they can't even use IVs.

01:34:38.000 Yeah.

01:34:39.000 You guys can use IVs to rehydrate?

01:34:41.000 No, we can't use IVs either.

01:34:42.000 No?

01:34:42.000 When did they change that?

01:34:45.000 I ain't never knew that.

01:34:46.000 They changed anything.

01:34:49.000 I think that was legal, because you didn't know when Floyd fought Pacquiao, that was a thing.

01:34:55.000 That he was using IVs or something like that.

01:34:57.000 But yeah, you can't use that stuff.

01:35:01.000 Yeah, that was the way that fighters always recuperated.

01:35:04.000 They always took IVs.

01:35:05.000 And then USADA came along, and apparently you can use the IV to mask performance-enhancing drugs.

01:35:12.000 That's why they outlawed it. 0.83

01:35:13.000 Yeah.

01:35:14.000 I think that was a thing.

01:35:15.000 I think the weight cutting in MMA, they should ban it.

01:35:19.000 I don't know how they could do it, but...

01:35:22.000 Y'all need more weight classes. 0.99

01:35:23.000 That's the problem.

01:35:24.000 Because when...

01:35:26.000 When you're talking about lightweight, then you're going from, what is it, 155?

01:35:30.000 155 to 170. Yeah, 155 to 170. It's a giant jump.

01:35:34.000 How about 185 to 205?

01:35:36.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:35:37.000 So it's like, man, we got to because we damn sure can't go up there.

01:35:44.000 Yeah.

01:35:45.000 You're one of the only elite boxers that can wrestle.

01:35:49.000 Yeah.

01:35:49.000 Has anybody ever come to you and said, Terrence, what do you think?

01:35:53.000 Dip your toes in the MMA water.

01:35:55.000 I don't get paid enough.

01:35:56.000 But if you did?

01:35:58.000 Nope.

01:35:59.000 Nope?

01:35:59.000 Ain't anybody about to be kicking me.

01:36:03.000 Hey, look, we can wrestle, we can fight, but them kicks...

01:36:07.000 Yeah.

01:36:07.000 No, I don't care with nobody.

01:36:10.000 Man, them kicks is dangerous, bro. 0.89

01:36:12.000 Especially them kicks in the leg.

01:36:14.000 Did you see when Muhammad Ali was doing that exhibition with that kickboxer? 1.00

01:36:19.000 Inoki, yeah.

01:36:21.000 Yeah.

01:36:21.000 Boy, tore him up.

01:36:24.000 Tore Ali up, man. 0.87

01:36:26.000 Yeah, now you respect that sport.

01:36:28.000 I respect it.

01:36:29.000 I respect it.

01:36:32.000 We can fight and wrestle all day.

01:36:34.000 I ain't, them kicks and elbows.

01:36:37.000 Have you ever trained with any of that stuff?

01:36:39.000 Have you ever tried to train Muay Thai?

01:36:41.000 Nah.

01:36:41.000 Nothing?

01:36:42.000 I trained jujitsu a little bit.

01:36:44.000 Oh yeah?

01:36:45.000 Yeah.

01:36:46.000 But them kicks and elbows, nah, they're dangerous.

01:36:51.000 They're dangerous.

01:36:52.000 And they sneaky too, because when you're not used to getting kicked, you know what I mean, you can think somebody's about to punch you and they boom, boom!

01:37:00.000 And you block You don't block kicks like you block punches.

01:37:04.000 Right.

01:37:04.000 So you might be trying to parry something, and there you go.

01:37:07.000 Ali versus Inoki.

01:37:08.000 And Inoki was lying on his back, which is even crazier, and with shoes on.

01:37:13.000 Yeah, tearing Ali legs up, man. 0.50

01:37:16.000 Yeah, just kicking at his legs.

01:37:19.000 The way they fought was so crazy that he just dropped down to his back and was throwing kicks.

01:37:27.000 He had no gloves on, but I don't think he punched him.

01:37:31.000 Look at that, look at that.

01:37:33.000 Look at that.

01:37:35.000 Yeah.

01:37:36.000 Man, you gotta be aware of everything.

01:37:38.000 Very dangerous, too.

01:37:40.000 Very dangerous, because your legs can get torn apart, your knees get ruined.

01:37:45.000 Your toe, kicking somebody, your toe, your fingers.

01:37:49.000 Your foot.

01:37:49.000 And y'all go through a lot.

01:37:51.000 Yeah.

01:37:51.000 Man.

01:37:53.000 Man, y'all go through a lot, them MMA dudes, man.

01:37:57.000 $5,000.

01:37:59.000 Just show up.

01:38:00.000 $5,000 to win.

01:38:02.000 $5,000 for best in your show.

01:38:06.000 Hell no! 0.93

01:38:07.000 Yeah.

01:38:08.000 Well, that's the guys coming out.

01:38:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:38:10.000 I know what I was just saying.

01:38:12.000 That's how it is in UFC, too.

01:38:14.000 Yeah.

01:38:15.000 I don't...

01:38:16.000 They might get a little more money, but they'd be the same thing, like $20 million.

01:38:20.000 I mean, not $20 million, $20,000.

01:38:22.000 $20,000, $20,000, $20,000, $20,000.

01:38:25.000 So they fighting their ass off to get that bonus.

01:38:28.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:38:29.000 Fighting their ass off to get that bonus.

01:38:31.000 I don't like the win bonus.

01:38:33.000 Yeah.

01:38:33.000 I do not like that at all.

01:38:35.000 Why?

01:38:35.000 Because, first of all, there's bad decisions.

01:38:37.000 Yeah.

01:38:37.000 And when you have a bad decision and someone gets caught out...

01:38:40.000 Like, if a guy's making 50 and 50, and then...

01:38:43.000 There's a bad judge call and you lose $50,000 because some people are incompetent at their job.

01:38:49.000 Happens all the time.

01:38:51.000 So why don't they just change it to like boxing, like a flat purse?

01:38:55.000 They should.

01:38:56.000 I don't know.

01:38:57.000 I'm not responsible.

01:38:58.000 It's not my side of the game.

01:39:00.000 I'm just a commentator.

01:39:01.000 Change it to a flat purse.

01:39:03.000 100%.

01:39:04.000 Yeah.

01:39:05.000 Like boxers, man.

01:39:07.000 Win, lose, draw.

01:39:08.000 Yeah.

01:39:09.000 We getting X amount that's on that contract.

01:39:11.000 Yes.

01:39:11.000 And that's it.

01:39:12.000 That's how it should be.

01:39:13.000 Because it's not like anybody doesn't try to win.

01:39:16.000 Yeah.

01:39:16.000 Because they think that they're going to get their money either way.

01:39:20.000 They're going to try to win.

01:39:22.000 Man, them dudes be fighting their ass off, man. 0.90

01:39:24.000 They be busted up. 0.74

01:39:27.000 Eye all the way out here.

01:39:29.000 Teeth in they mouthpiece.

01:39:31.000 I'm like, man, them dudes like, come on.

01:39:34.000 Man, you talking about gladiator, warriors.

01:39:38.000 That's what they is, man.

01:39:40.000 Do you watch a lot of UFC? Yeah.

01:39:44.000 I'll be watching it.

01:39:46.000 Who stands out for you?

01:39:48.000 John Jones.

01:39:49.000 John Bones Jones.

01:39:52.000 That's my guy.

01:39:53.000 I like...

01:39:54.000 Dang, man.

01:39:56.000 It'd be hard to say his name.

01:39:58.000 He just beat the dude that beat him.

01:40:01.000 Israel.

01:40:02.000 Yeah, I like Israel.

01:40:04.000 He's amazing.

01:40:05.000 That dude he beat.

01:40:06.000 That beat him, and he just beat, man.

01:40:08.000 That dude was a big dude, man.

01:40:10.000 He's huge.

01:40:10.000 Yeah.

01:40:11.000 He's big.

01:40:12.000 That guy cuts a lot of weight.

01:40:13.000 Yeah.

01:40:14.000 Because he weighed in at 185 pounds, and then he fought at 225. Yeah.

01:40:19.000 He was 225 when he got into the ring.

01:40:21.000 Yeah.

01:40:22.000 That's crazy.

01:40:23.000 Then my guy that just beat Cejuda.

01:40:27.000 Aljubain.

01:40:28.000 He's fighting this weekend.

01:40:29.000 I was just down there with him when I was training.

01:40:32.000 We was training twice together before that fight and after he was doing physical therapy.

01:40:37.000 We were supposed to be playing basketball.

01:40:40.000 So if you're watching Aljo, you still got to get on that court with the old boy now.

01:40:45.000 Yeah, he's fighting this weekend against Jerome Alley.

01:40:48.000 It's a big fight.

01:40:49.000 Yeah.

01:40:50.000 Yeah.

01:40:51.000 Do you ever go to those live?

01:40:53.000 Yeah, I went to a few of them live.

01:40:54.000 Yeah.

01:40:55.000 I went to a few of them live.

01:40:56.000 I think I went to...

01:40:57.000 The last one I went to was Amanda Nunez.

01:41:03.000 Amanda.

01:41:04.000 She was fighting...

01:41:06.000 Dang, I forgot her name.

01:41:09.000 But two guys from Omaha.

01:41:12.000 Drew Dobert.

01:41:13.000 Okay.

01:41:14.000 And...

01:41:17.000 He fought John Jones, too.

01:41:18.000 He from Omaha.

01:41:20.000 I forgot his name.

01:41:21.000 You put Omaha on the map.

01:41:23.000 Yeah.

01:41:23.000 You really did.

01:41:24.000 People talk about Omaha now a lot.

01:41:26.000 Smith.

01:41:27.000 Anthony Smith.

01:41:28.000 Oh, okay.

01:41:29.000 Yeah, Anthony Smith.

01:41:30.000 Drew Dober and Anthony Smith was fighting on the same car, so I went there to support them.

01:41:36.000 And Amanda.

01:41:37.000 I like Amanda. 0.95

01:41:38.000 Sweet to go.

01:41:39.000 Yeah, she's amazing. 1.00

01:41:40.000 She had to retire because her legs are so damaged from kicking. 1.00

01:41:43.000 She goes too much kicking ass. 1.00

01:41:45.000 Like she got nerve damage on her legs. 1.00

01:41:47.000 See?

01:41:48.000 Yeah.

01:41:48.000 It's never gonna go away.

01:41:50.000 Probably not, yeah.

01:41:52.000 So...

01:41:52.000 I mean, you gotta think, you're getting shins slammed into those nerves over and over again.

01:41:59.000 Slammed into your calves. 0.93

01:42:01.000 You ever been calf kicked? 0.98

01:42:02.000 No, don't kick me.

01:42:05.000 We're not about to do none of that.

01:42:08.000 Don't kick me.

01:42:09.000 Listen, my legs are skinny.

01:42:11.000 We're not about to do it. 0.68

01:42:12.000 Hey, you kick me, jump him.

01:42:16.000 Do you think there's any boxers that would be...

01:42:20.000 I mean, the only person that's elite that ever fought in the MMA realm was James Toney.

01:42:25.000 James Toney got choked out.

01:42:26.000 He don't got no wrestling background.

01:42:28.000 I don't think he even trained for it.

01:42:31.000 I interviewed him before that fight.

01:42:32.000 He was making up kick names.

01:42:35.000 I think he just boxed.

01:42:38.000 He was hoping he'd catch him with a punch.

01:42:40.000 Yeah, nah. 1.00

01:42:43.000 First thing they gonna do is shoot. 0.99

01:42:45.000 First they gonna fake the punch up top, and then they gonna shoot. 0.97

01:42:51.000 If you don't know how to sprawl, it's a wrap.

01:42:54.000 Yeah.

01:42:55.000 It's a wrap.

01:42:56.000 See, wrestling, man, I always say, man, I'm a boxer, but I can wrestle.

01:43:02.000 If a wrestler grabs you, I don't care what you know, I don't care who you is, it's over with if you're not a wrestler.

01:43:10.000 Right.

01:43:11.000 It's over with.

01:43:12.000 Yeah.

01:43:12.000 And nothing you can do.

01:43:14.000 And nine times out of ten, a street fight, you're going to end up on the ground.

01:43:18.000 Mm-hmm.

01:43:19.000 Period.

01:43:20.000 So, if you don't knock him out before he grabs you, or in a mix of him trying to grab you, it's over with.

01:43:27.000 Yeah.

01:43:27.000 So, I hope you're in shape.

01:43:32.000 I will poke them in the eye, bite them, something. 0.99

01:43:35.000 But, you know, wrestlers, they tough. 0.99

01:43:37.000 Yeah.

01:43:38.000 So, you might bite them, they might be like, bite harder.

01:43:41.000 Put you in a chokehold and then it's over with.

01:43:45.000 Wrestling is such a tough sport and there's no accolades.

01:43:49.000 There's no glory.

01:43:50.000 There's no world championship where you're making millions of dollars.

01:43:54.000 It's just all for the glory of winning.

01:43:58.000 That's all there is to it.

01:44:00.000 And those are some of the toughest human beings alive.

01:44:03.000 Elite wrestlers, like I want to talk about hard work.

01:44:09.000 I done been through some of them.

01:44:11.000 Did you wrestle in high school?

01:44:13.000 No, I wrestled in middle school.

01:44:14.000 In middle school?

01:44:15.000 I stopped in middle school.

01:44:16.000 Because your boxing career started taking off?

01:44:18.000 I actually got kicked out of school.

01:44:20.000 Really?

01:44:20.000 Yeah.

01:44:21.000 What happened?

01:44:21.000 I was playing around with the kids, me and my friends.

01:44:25.000 We had the little keys, so we was going through the hallways and we were scratching each other's neck with the keys.

01:44:36.000 Somebody right here in the middle of us, and you don't see me.

01:44:39.000 And I go over here, and I scratch you on the neck with the key, and you just be like, ah!

01:44:43.000 And we just start dying. 0.75

01:44:45.000 That was the thing to do back then.

01:44:50.000 His little soft self went to the nurse, and the nurse asked him what happened.

01:44:56.000 He was just like, oh, me and my friend Terrence was playing around, and he scratched me with a key.

01:45:01.000 So they brought me to the office, and Expelled me because they said I was using a weapon.

01:45:07.000 I got expelled for the half of the whole school year.

01:45:12.000 I had to go to an alternative school.

01:45:17.000 It was crazy.

01:45:18.000 But I was quitting wrestling anyway.

01:45:20.000 Wrestling was tough, man. 1.00

01:45:21.000 Them dudes was kicking my ass. 1.00

01:45:24.000 No. 0.99

01:45:24.000 But I think there's something about your wrestling background that helps you in the clinch. 0.99

01:45:29.000 Definitely.

01:45:30.000 Definitely.

01:45:31.000 I still always mess around wrestling.

01:45:33.000 To this day, you know...

01:45:36.000 Yeah, that wrestling gets you physically strong.

01:45:39.000 It gets you, you know what I mean, your foundation first and foremost.

01:45:44.000 Everything comes from your foundation.

01:45:46.000 So if you got a good base, good foundation, it's going to be hard to move for anybody.

01:45:51.000 You know, that's why, you know, you see those sumo wrestlers, you know, they foundation, they base is just like, hmm.

01:45:59.000 Right.

01:45:59.000 And you can try your hardest to move them and they just sitting there and you're just like...

01:46:04.000 Yeah.

01:46:04.000 Man, how I'm not able to move this dude and I'm pushing him.

01:46:08.000 It's just, they got that base and that foundation.

01:46:11.000 Yeah, there was a discussion, I forget what experts were talking about that, but they were factoring in your wrestling background.

01:46:17.000 And they were saying that there's something about Terrence when he's in the clinch that's different than other people.

01:46:22.000 It's because of your ability to manipulate bodies, where you can move people around.

01:46:26.000 And then, also, what you do, I think, better than anybody ever, You land punches in tight spaces.

01:46:34.000 In tight spaces where you just find the chin.

01:46:39.000 You're so good at those tight hooks. 0.84

01:46:44.000 Practice.

01:46:46.000 Yeah, man.

01:46:47.000 It's just...

01:46:49.000 It's just very impressive to be able to pull that off on a guy like Errol Spence.

01:46:53.000 Yeah, that's something that me and my coaches was working on, shortening up your shots.

01:46:59.000 Because if you're watching a few of my past fights, I kind of open up.

01:47:05.000 I kind of throw my shots too wide, leave myself open.

01:47:10.000 So that was something that we was working on in camp.

01:47:14.000 And I always told the reporters and people that interviewed me, it ain't about Spence.

01:47:20.000 I don't got to change anything up for Spence.

01:47:23.000 I just got to make sure I'm prepared and I'm 110% ready for myself.

01:47:30.000 And all I got to do is be myself and then I believe I'll be anybody.

01:47:35.000 Was there ever a time where you wondered or were you worried that you weren't going to get that big fight?

01:47:40.000 As you're like 35 years old, you become 36, 36, and then you're in a position like Artur Beterbiev, who's 19-0, 19 knockouts, everyone's fucking terrified of the guy, can't get a big fight.

01:47:54.000 Just can't get that big marquee fight.

01:47:57.000 Definitely.

01:47:57.000 I was, like I told you, I was in a process of thinking about retiring, you know, because I was just like, man, I'm not going to get that Spence fight, you know, but it's worth a shot, you know, to go back and try to see if we can land that fight.

01:48:18.000 But I'm not about to get, you know, I'm not about to just take anything just for the fight.

01:48:24.000 Right.

01:48:24.000 You know, a lot of fans and a lot of people in the media, they felt as if I should just take anything, but they're not the one fighting.

01:48:33.000 They're not the one that, you know, been doing this their whole life, so for them to tell me, just take this or just take that, you know, Given if I was to put them in the same predicament that I'm in and all the accolades that I have, would they do the same thing or would they just take whatever somebody's just going to give them?

01:48:58.000 You know, I had to stand for something.

01:49:01.000 To get to a point in my life where, you know, I can get everything that I want.

01:49:07.000 You know, and I feel like me standing my ground and staying firm and true to myself and not switching up and not, you know, overdoing it led me to this moment right here.

01:49:28.000 One of the things that happens with some boxers is they leave a lot in the gym in sparring sessions and that they just spar too hard.

01:49:38.000 They have too many hard sparring sessions.

01:49:40.000 How often do you spar?

01:49:42.000 I spar Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturdays.

01:49:47.000 Some of them be hard.

01:49:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:51.000 That's just how it is.

01:49:52.000 You can't replace, you know, I would say, like, tech sparring and, like, soft sparring from, you know, a comparison to get ready for a fight.

01:50:07.000 Because you fight how you spar.

01:50:10.000 You spar how you fight.

01:50:11.000 And if I'm in there just doing this, huh, huh, huh, huh, catch, catch, huh, huh, then...

01:50:18.000 When the fight comes and everything is full blast, full speed, I'm not going to be able to keep up because I done trained that way.

01:50:25.000 I can hit the bag, I can hit the mitts, all that I want, but nothing's coming back.

01:50:31.000 I'm not feeling that presence of a person pushing me, hitting me, holding me, things like that.

01:50:38.000 So, sparring is very important.

01:50:40.000 I'm not saying that you have to go hard every single time you spar.

01:50:45.000 But there got to be days where, you know, that fighter is trying to put it on you because now you're getting used to that.

01:50:52.000 Now your body is getting in shape to withstand the rounds, the time, the, you know, the grappling, the holding, the hitting, all that.

01:51:06.000 So you need that.

01:51:07.000 How do you judge when you're doing too much hard sparring?

01:51:12.000 Your body will tell you.

01:51:14.000 I'm a firm believer in listening to my body.

01:51:17.000 You know, so I've been doing this a long time.

01:51:19.000 My coaches, they've been doing this just as long or longer or BOMAG longer.

01:51:25.000 Well, we all started, you know, this journey on when I was 2008 when I turned pro.

01:51:34.000 So, they've been around me since I was a kid, so they know when my body is breaking down or when I'm complaining about something, Bo would be like, alright, well, we're going to do this today.

01:51:46.000 We're going to do this today.

01:51:47.000 And I'd be like, man, what?

01:51:49.000 He'd be like, we're going to do this today.

01:51:51.000 I'm like, man, I don't want to do that, man.

01:51:52.000 I want to work.

01:51:53.000 Because as a fighter, I want to work hard every day.

01:51:56.000 But it's up to your coaches to know when to pull back.

01:52:01.000 When to take days off.

01:52:03.000 Oh, no, you ain't working out today.

01:52:04.000 Huh?

01:52:05.000 You ain't working out today.

01:52:07.000 You been working out hard, you know, today off.

01:52:10.000 Or some days we were going in and you'd be like, oh, we're going to do four-round sparring.

01:52:15.000 I'm like, what?

01:52:17.000 Yeah, we're going to do four-round sparring.

01:52:20.000 Alright.

01:52:21.000 Y'all got it.

01:52:22.000 So, things like that.

01:52:24.000 So, it's just a trust and an understanding that your coaches know you as good or better than you know you.

01:52:31.000 Definitely.

01:52:32.000 Definitely.

01:52:33.000 Yeah.

01:52:33.000 You know, so they gonna tell me, you know...

01:52:37.000 Some days they're going to say, man, you ain't got no energy today.

01:52:40.000 Did you eat?

01:52:41.000 Some days I'll be like, no, I didn't eat before I came.

01:52:44.000 Oh, I can tell.

01:52:45.000 You know, or you're moving kind of slow.

01:52:48.000 You alright?

01:52:50.000 You know, so it's very important that you be honest with your coaches as well.

01:52:55.000 Because a lot of people, you know, they tend to keep certain things away from them.

01:53:00.000 And then when things go left, then the coaches is to blame when the coaches wasn't aware of everything that was going on with you.

01:53:10.000 So if you got, you know, injuries or you're not feeling well or, you know, something's not right or something's going on, as a team, you got to let your team know because that's why they there.

01:53:23.000 And that's why they're able to pick up on certain things like, you know, you're overtraining or you're not, you know, getting enough rest.

01:53:32.000 What time are you going to sleep at night?

01:53:33.000 You know, you need to put the phone down at this time and, you know, just all that.

01:53:40.000 Do you monitor your resting heart rate, your heart rate variability?

01:53:44.000 Do you do any of that stuff?

01:53:45.000 Yeah, I do all that, you know, in the mornings.

01:53:48.000 So when I get up in the morning, we put it on my finger, then we monitor that, and then it takes your blood, oxygen, your oxygen level, your heart rate, and all that stuff.

01:54:02.000 And so from there, you can say, okay, I'm a little tired.

01:54:05.000 Or there, I'm a little overworked.

01:54:07.000 It's easier today.

01:54:09.000 Not really.

01:54:10.000 Sometimes I go off of that, but I just go off of how my body feels.

01:54:16.000 I just use that for...

01:54:19.000 Just how much oxygen I'm taking in and the levels that I'm at.

01:54:25.000 So once I start cutting weight, that's what I've been at, this range.

01:54:33.000 Once I start cutting weight, then I can compare the two.

01:54:37.000 And how far out do you start cutting weight?

01:54:40.000 I probably cut weight probably like two weeks, two to three weeks.

01:54:45.000 And so that's just a decrease in calories?

01:54:48.000 Yeah.

01:54:48.000 Is there anything else that goes along with that?

01:54:50.000 Is it an increase in cardio or anything else?

01:54:52.000 No, just everything is the same.

01:54:54.000 It's just, you know, decreasing the amount of food intake.

01:54:57.000 You know, we start cutting the food probably like in portions.

01:55:02.000 Then, you know, we probably change up the times of the workouts.

01:55:09.000 And then when you get down to the day of the weigh-ins, how much weight are you actually cutting?

01:55:15.000 None.

01:55:16.000 None.

01:55:17.000 So when you weigh in, that's natural?

01:55:20.000 Yeah, like, the day of the weigh-ins, I'm not cutting none.

01:55:23.000 That's beautiful.

01:55:24.000 I used to.

01:55:24.000 I used to have to cut, like, five pounds in the morning of the weigh-ins.

01:55:29.000 You know, that shit was tough. 0.99

01:55:30.000 Did you feel that the next day? 1.00

01:55:32.000 Nah, not really.

01:55:34.000 Sometimes, but not really.

01:55:35.000 But it's better to not.

01:55:36.000 Yeah, because I always, I just rest.

01:55:39.000 You know, resting is most important.

01:55:42.000 Like, I just sit in the bed all day.

01:55:43.000 Especially when I was at 135, I didn't do nothing.

01:55:46.000 I was...

01:55:47.000 Cuttin' weight.

01:55:49.000 140. Cuttin' weight.

01:55:51.000 Cuttin' weight. 1.00

01:55:53.000 But yeah, that shit tough. 1.00

01:55:56.000 This last fight with Spence, it was tough. 0.99

01:56:00.000 But I tried to make weight at least the night before so I could sleep in, sleep as long as possible until the weigh-ins and go from there.

01:56:16.000 And what do you do for recovery?

01:56:18.000 Do you have anything specific that you do for recovery?

01:56:21.000 Massages, sauna, anything along those lines?

01:56:23.000 I get massages.

01:56:25.000 I don't use a sauna.

01:56:26.000 No?

01:56:27.000 No, I don't use a sauna.

01:56:29.000 That's pretty much it.

01:56:31.000 Just, you know, Normatec.

01:56:33.000 Oh, those leg things? 0.96

01:56:34.000 Yeah, those are great.

01:56:35.000 Normatec, massage.

01:56:37.000 I hate the cold plunge.

01:56:40.000 I did it for the first time this camp.

01:56:45.000 And man, I tell you, I was freezing. 0.99

01:56:49.000 I always thought my balls was going to be freezing, but my fucking fingers was cold. 0.99

01:56:55.000 My toes wasn't cold. 0.99

01:56:56.000 I was so cold, I couldn't even feel my feet.

01:57:00.000 I was in there like this.

01:57:01.000 I was trying to put my hands under my armpits and I was just shaking like this.

01:57:08.000 I was just like, I'm about to get out.

01:57:10.000 They was motivating me and I was like, man, this is the hardest thing that I ever did because I'm anemic so me and Cole don't You're anemic?

01:57:20.000 Yeah, I gotta take iron pills.

01:57:22.000 Really?

01:57:22.000 Yeah.

01:57:23.000 Interesting.

01:57:24.000 Is that before you stopped Red Beat always?

01:57:27.000 When I was little.

01:57:27.000 Yup.

01:57:27.000 Really?

01:57:28.000 When I was little.

01:57:30.000 Yup.

01:57:30.000 So, I gotta go from the cold, then they put me in the hot, and then it felt like needles was shocking my body, like needles was going through.

01:57:39.000 I'm like, dang!

01:57:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:41.000 I felt good.

01:57:42.000 Then it was like, alright, you gotta go back in the cold plunge for one minute.

01:57:46.000 No, it was two minutes.

01:57:47.000 Two minutes.

01:57:48.000 I was like, what?!

01:57:50.000 Like, come on.

01:57:51.000 So I went up there, and I was like, all right, get out.

01:57:53.000 You done.

01:57:53.000 I said, I don't go back in the hot.

01:57:55.000 They was like, no.

01:57:56.000 I was like, oh, man.

01:57:58.000 But I was cool that I did it, you know, that it was something that, you know, I wouldn't do.

01:58:04.000 And I did it for the first time, and I felt like I accomplished something.

01:58:07.000 How did you feel after you got out?

01:58:09.000 I felt good.

01:58:10.000 Yeah.

01:58:10.000 I felt good.

01:58:11.000 But the crazy part about that is, two days after that, I had got a cold.

01:58:17.000 And I was like, I was messed up.

01:58:19.000 And I was like, man.

01:58:20.000 Was it because of that?

01:58:23.000 But found out that it was the air conditioner in the house.

01:58:28.000 It was blowing right on my face.

01:58:31.000 Oh.

01:58:32.000 On my bed.

01:58:33.000 I sleep with the cover all over my head.

01:58:35.000 I don't know why.

01:58:36.000 Really?

01:58:37.000 Yeah, I've been doing that since I was a little kid.

01:58:40.000 So we looked up and it was showing up.

01:58:44.000 I was just like, man.

01:58:45.000 And it was on like 62. So it was freezing in the house.

01:58:51.000 I was just like, man.

01:58:52.000 I turned off everything in the house.

01:58:54.000 It was all hot.

01:58:55.000 Everybody kept trying to turn the hair back on.

01:58:59.000 Like, man, turn that off.

01:59:01.000 Like, no.

01:59:02.000 And it's 120 in Vegas.

01:59:06.000 I'm like, yeah.

01:59:11.000 It's that.

01:59:11.000 Turn it off.

01:59:14.000 I was like, man, I ain't never experienced that ever in my life.

01:59:18.000 I never got sick during fight week.

01:59:22.000 Really?

01:59:23.000 Ever.

01:59:24.000 How sick did you get?

01:59:25.000 I was sick.

01:59:27.000 For one day, I was, like, down.

01:59:29.000 I was down, but, like, Yeah.

01:59:34.000 How far out from the fight was that?

01:59:35.000 A week. 1.00

01:59:36.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:59:38.000 A week. 1.00

01:59:39.000 So I was down, but I was just like, man, that one day I was hurting.

01:59:44.000 But then, you know, my nutritionist, she gave me some...

01:59:48.000 Vitamin C. My chef gave me a whole bunch of oranges and melons and grapefruit.

01:59:58.000 Big ol' bowl.

02:00:00.000 You ain't eatin' no meat.

02:00:02.000 This is what you eatin' all day.

02:00:04.000 I was like, what?

02:00:06.000 He was like, yeah, trust me.

02:00:09.000 That's all I ate the whole day.

02:00:11.000 And the next day I felt better.

02:00:12.000 I was like, oh, all right, we back to normal.

02:00:16.000 Well, we wasn't all the way back to normal because my coach didn't let me work out.

02:00:20.000 But, yeah, we was good.

02:00:22.000 How many days did you have to take off from that cold?

02:00:25.000 Just one and a half.

02:00:26.000 Oh, not that bad.

02:00:27.000 Yeah.

02:00:28.000 So that one day, I didn't do nothing.

02:00:29.000 Then the next day, I didn't go to the gym.

02:00:34.000 I didn't work out in the gym.

02:00:35.000 And then a day or so later, you're back in.

02:00:38.000 Yeah.

02:00:39.000 Well, that's fortunate.

02:00:41.000 That would have sucked if that happened a couple days out.

02:00:44.000 Yeah.

02:00:45.000 Yeah. 0.92

02:00:46.000 And then fuck up your weight cut, too. 0.96

02:00:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:00:51.000 I would have had to find a way.

02:00:52.000 Isn't it crazy, though, when you think about all the things that have to come together so perfectly?

02:00:57.000 Peeking in your conditioning, peeking in your physical training, your technical training.

02:01:02.000 Everything's got to come together.

02:01:04.000 Everything.

02:01:05.000 But when you've done this for...

02:01:11.000 So long.

02:01:12.000 You know what you got to do to get there.

02:01:18.000 I think I peaked like twice during this camp.

02:01:23.000 I was working so hard.

02:01:24.000 I was just like, man, I wanted this so bad.

02:01:27.000 It was like, all right, we got to pull you back.

02:01:29.000 Mmm.

02:01:30.000 Alright.

02:01:31.000 And when they pull you back, like for how long?

02:01:33.000 Just a couple of days.

02:01:34.000 Pull you back.

02:01:36.000 You know, because you're looking too sharp in the gym.

02:01:40.000 You're way above schedule.

02:01:42.000 So we got to pull you back.

02:01:44.000 Working too hard.

02:01:46.000 Get you some rest.

02:01:47.000 That's such a fascinating aspect of the training.

02:01:50.000 Because it's just so on feel and knowing and just having an understanding of the athlete.

02:01:57.000 Yeah, because you as the fighter, you want to feel good.

02:01:59.000 You want to look sharp.

02:02:01.000 You want to, you know, feel all those things.

02:02:04.000 But your coaches on the outside, they're like, okay.

02:02:09.000 We still got like three, four weeks.

02:02:12.000 And he's looking like this at this point in time when we want him like that at the tail end.

02:02:21.000 So pull him back a little bit.

02:02:24.000 It's such a dance.

02:02:27.000 It's such a perfectly orchestrated dance.

02:02:32.000 Everything has to line up.

02:02:34.000 Have you ever had a fight where you peaked too early?

02:02:36.000 No.

02:02:37.000 Never?

02:02:37.000 Not that I know of.

02:02:41.000 Well, listen, Terrence, what you've done is amazing.

02:02:43.000 As a person who's a boxing fan, it's beautiful to see.

02:02:48.000 I love watching.

02:02:50.000 Like I said, I love excellence.

02:02:51.000 I love when someone is just at the top, the very top of the game, of the sport, of everything.

02:02:58.000 And that's you right now, man.

02:03:00.000 Appreciate it.

02:03:01.000 I hope you enjoy it.

02:03:02.000 Congratulations.

02:03:03.000 It's an honor to talk to you.

02:03:04.000 Thank you.

02:03:05.000 I'm a giant fan, man.

02:03:07.000 Thank you very much.

02:03:08.000 Appreciate it.

02:03:08.000 Thanks for having me.

02:03:09.000 Tell everybody your social media so they can hit you up.

02:03:12.000 You can reach me on Twitter.

02:03:16.000 Well, they call it X now.

02:03:17.000 I don't know what that is.

02:03:19.000 At Terrence Crawford.

02:03:21.000 And then you can reach me on IG at T-Bug Crawford.

02:03:27.000 Or Facebook, Terrence Crawford. 1.00

02:03:30.000 You're the fucking man, bro. 1.00

02:03:32.000 Yes. 1.00

02:03:32.000 Thank you very much. 1.00

02:03:33.000 Appreciate you being here.

02:03:34.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 10, 2011

JRE MMA Show #145 with Terence Crawford

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