Joe Rogan and Dana White sit down to discuss UFC 246, UFC 246 and UFC 246. They discuss the UFC's return to the octagon, Cheeto vs Khabib and the future of the UFC Lightweight division. They also discuss the upcoming UFC 246 fight between Jon Bones and Cowboy Cerrone and how it feels to be the current UFC Light Heavyweight Champion. Joe and Dana also talk about the recent UFC 246 loss to Cheeto and how they feel about it. They give their predictions for the next fight between Cowboy and Jon "The Notorious" Cowboy and what they expect to happen in the fight. They finish off the episode by talking about their favorite UFC fighters and who they are looking forward to fighting next. Joe Rogan Experience is a production of Native Creative Podcasts. Native Creative is a multi-platform media production company based in Los Angeles, California. They produce content for Native Creative, Native Social Media, Native Podcasts, Native English, Native American, and Native American Podcasts as well as original music and original original music. The Joe Rogans Experience is produced by Native Creative and Native Creative Productions. We are proud to present Native Creative Commons: Native Creative on a Plant-Based Podcast. Native Creative's Creative Commons and Native Arts. Co-Produced By Native Creative - Native Creative & Native Word Artwork - Creative Commons and Native Word - Native Word Music - Native word Artwork by Native Word, Native Word and Native Spirit - Native Spirit, Inc., Native Word & Native Spirit by Native Spirit Native Word Productions, Inc. Copyright 2019 Copyright 2019 by Native Creativity, LLC. All Rights Reserved. This Podcast is Copyright & Used Permission granted to Native Wordsworth, LLC , Native Word Works, LLC., Native Creative Works, Native Creative Rights, Native Image, Native Species, Native Breeders, LLC, Native Plant Life, Native Animal Rights, LLC and Native Plant Farm, LLC , Native Plant, LLC & Native Plantation, LLC by Native Plant Plantation Plantation Farms, LLC . by Native Breed, Incorporated, LLC (Native Plantation Farm, California, LLC etc., Inc., etc., etc. , Inc., LLC, etc., LLC., Native Plantations, Inc.. - Native Plant and Inc., Copyright & Breeders Inc., Inc. , etc., Native Plant Rights, etc. etc., , etc. , & Native Species Rights,
00:00:39.000It's crazy because that whole fight week, I always take a lot of naps fight week, especially because it was on the East Coast and we were trying to stay up late.
00:01:13.000Well, it makes you wonder what dreams really are.
00:01:17.000It's so weird that we just accept that we close our eyes every night and scenarios take place that don't really take place and they seem super vivid and then weird things happen in them and then you wake up and you're like, oh, that wasn't real.
00:01:32.000But we just accept that there's many times where I've been in a lucid dream.
00:01:37.000Or many times I've been in a dream that felt so real.
00:01:44.000Probably a lot during Sober October for you too, because I noticed when I quit smoking weed in camp, like when I get close to the fight, my dreams are so fucking vivid.
00:01:54.000It's like a snapshot of another dimension.
00:01:55.000I'm like, could that possibly be us in another dimension witnessing our life play out some other way?
00:02:02.000It could be that what you're doing is like peeking.
00:02:05.000You're like, every night you like peek into another dimension and pop back up in the morning when you wake up.
00:02:11.000That's one of the theories about DMT. It's some sort of a chemical gateway to the next dimension or the next realm of existence and that when the lights go out and then your brain floods with that stuff, your consciousness uses that chemical as a gateway.
00:02:29.000We've never done DMT. I've told myself I want to do DMT, ayahuasca, that stuff after fighting.
00:02:36.000Because right now I have a mindset to I want to be world champ, I want to be the greatest, I want to kill in the cage.
00:02:41.000But I feel like if I do something like that, maybe I switch that around.
00:03:37.000You think he's going to engage and he doesn't.
00:03:39.000Yeah, his last three fights, too, he's been really wrestling a lot.
00:03:43.000So you gotta think, like, because I don't know, I could fight, I mean, there's a couple different people I could fight next, but, like, thinking about fighting Corey, it's like, okay, is he gonna be turned into that wrestler, or is he gonna wanna strike, or is he gonna mix it up?
00:03:54.000I'm assuming, you know, going into a fight with Corey, he's gonna wanna mix it up a bit, but, yeah, it's interesting.
00:05:45.000But, I mean, hey, dude, I feel like I'm fragile sometimes too.
00:05:48.000If I didn't start working with Brandon Harris, like my strength and conditioning coach, and Dan Garner for nutrition, like, I feel like I was getting injured all the fucking time.
00:06:47.000Well, they gave him this thing, and they found out that he spars more than all the other fighters they tested, and he gets hit less than all the other fighters they tested.
00:06:56.000He gets hit less than anybody, which is amazing.
00:07:02.000He's, like, so tuned in to the idea of hitting a person.
00:07:07.000Not just hitting a bag, not just doing drills, but all of his moves, all of his movements when he's training are hitting people.
00:07:14.000I wonder how many of his sparring partners are like, I don't even want to fucking hit him because he's just going to turn it up and it's going to be a full fight.
00:07:20.000Because there's guys you spar with and it's like, okay, if I hit this dude, we're going to fight.
00:07:25.000So I wonder how many of those guys know going into sparring, like, okay, if I even hit him, it's going to turn into something.
00:07:30.000I might as well just kind of play around for five minutes, get to the next guy.
00:08:39.000That's crazy they just added that to the co-main event for Jon Jones and Stipe.
00:08:42.000Because neither of them are champions, so they're going to stack that fucking card and only have to pay out Jon Jones because he's the champion for pay-per-view.
00:10:30.000Even if he wasn't training crazy, but his body was able to kind of recover, I feel like there's so much into that than just being training, training, training, training, and fucking busting yourself down.
00:10:40.000I mean, it was just never taking anything away from DC, but I've often wondered if that KO, if some of that KO was him coming off of that fight with Francis.
00:10:49.000Because if you go watch that first round, Of that fight with Francis?
00:12:28.000If you could find the ones, that's him throwing kicks, but eh.
00:12:32.000He just does this weird thing where he stands sideways, and instead of the front kick going like this, like straight out, the front kick goes like this.
00:14:22.000He's kind of out of place, you would think, to kick you in the face.
00:14:25.000Well, even to do the right defense, if he's throwing a right tee, if you're going to use your right hand, so you're going to leave that exposed.
00:16:19.000I remember when Corey fought Aljo in the small cage.
00:16:24.000And then I said something about not wanting to fight in a small cage, and I don't think Corey should either because of the style, and then Corey's like, oh, that's just your insecurity.
00:16:31.000I'm like, dude, you got fucking choked out in 14 seconds against Aljo.
00:19:20.000It would be a huge factor because how many clinches take place in that weird danger zone when you're right up against the cage like just grab this motherfucker.
00:19:27.000It's just there's so many moments where guys are like what you know and they're trying to reset and they go in for the clinch.
00:19:33.000That shit would not be available if there's no cage.
00:19:36.000If you have this big-ass basketball-sized circle in the middle of an arena and that's where the guys are fighting, it would be incredible.
00:21:27.000Yeah, I like watching fights with, like Eddie Bravo taught me how to do this, because Eddie Bravo at one point in time was doing the Max Kellerman, not Max Kellerman, who's that dude, Letterman, that does it on Harold Letterman, he used to do it on HBO fights, where in between rounds, I gave that round to Davis.
00:24:15.000It's so crazy, though, if you're a judge and you never felt a checked kick, because when I fought Pedro, I swear, I felt his foot land on my shin, and I felt like I was fucking him up when he was kicking me, and then the judges obviously gave him the first round.
00:24:32.000He didn't punch me in the face once, I had more significant strikes, but he was landing leg kicks, but I was checking them.
00:24:38.000I feel like I fucked his feet up from checking kicks.
00:24:41.000And they gave him the round, but it's just like they've probably never checked a kick or threw a kick in their life.
00:24:48.000But these guys are making such an important decision.
00:24:51.000Yeah, Chris Lieben, he's making his Nevada judging debut.
00:31:31.000And so if you've got that shit on your ankles, for sure that's gonna aid a guy grabbing your ankle, even if it's just for that minor adjustment.
00:32:25.000I mean, obviously, we all know how good Corey is, and that probably wouldn't happen again, but it doesn't matter if it would or wouldn't happen again.
00:32:32.000I think sometimes when things like that happen, it just changes your approach to fighting and steals your mind, and I think that's what it did with him, and he just became way better.
00:32:41.000Corey Sanhagen that we think of now, like the guy wheel-kicked Marlon Marais, that's a different Corey.
00:36:19.000I feel like Henry's obviously good as fuck, but I feel like he thinks he's a little bit better than he is when he was trying to teach Habib how to fucking throw kicks and Habib, remember that video?
00:36:30.000He was trying to teach Habib something and he was like landing a kick with his foot on Habib's knee and Habib's like, what are you doing here?
00:37:40.000And especially as you get older, I think it's even more punishing and more difficult to come back 24 hours after such a brutal weight cut and fight.
00:37:48.000Those weight cuts are not fucking good for you.
00:37:50.000Not long ago, remember the commissions would start at 24 hours before the event would start?
00:37:56.000That was right before I got in the UFC. I'm so fucking glad they changed that and we could weigh in at 9am.
00:41:28.000Because I was looking to step up and it's like if you have diarrhea for like more than two, three days or whatever, it's like you probably got a parasite or some shit.
00:41:34.000For 10 days, every single night I would wake up two to three times.
00:41:38.000Right when I woke up in the morning, I had to fucking shit my brains out.
00:41:55.000It's crazy for that camp, too, because usually we'd be working a lot on the wall, a lot of different stand-ups, a lot on our guard, developing the guard, no omopladas and stuff, instead of giving up your back, but we literally didn't get to grapple zero.
00:43:08.000Mmm, the ones in between the rib are so hard.
00:43:10.000And sometimes people tear the cartilage as well.
00:43:12.000Did you get an MRI? I did get an MRI. I didn't tear anything that I remember.
00:43:16.000I think it was just a muscle strain, but like we gave it a couple weeks to say, all right, let's just see if it'll heal in a couple weeks and then try to grapple again.
00:43:23.000Tried to grapple in just the littlest kind of together movement.
00:43:56.000I'd take a Michael Jordan type athlete though, just to have that kind of pressure going against this guy who's the best on the fucking planet and just being in the moment and not worrying about that.
00:45:17.000So he's got an artificial disc in his neck because Of an injury that he had, and then Piotr Jan hits him with that fucking knee to the head on the ground.
00:45:24.000It's crazy how that knee changed so many people.
00:45:26.000Like, my career, I ended up fighting Peter instead of Peter being champ, and just, like, it's crazy how that one mistake Peter made, and now he's on a fucking three-fight losing streak.
00:47:59.000I didn't really know much about Deion Sanders prime time, but that dude fucking played in the MLB and NFL at the same time in the same seasons.
00:48:06.000He was signing, like, one-off contracts to go play with the fucking team.
00:48:10.000Then he'd fly in a helicopter to the football game.
00:48:14.000I didn't realize how good of an athlete he was.
00:48:17.000Imagine a guy like that taking up MMA. Oh, yeah.
00:48:20.000You know, because there's like calibers of athletes that I think just automatically go into the NFL or the NBA or the, you know, they go where the real money is.
00:48:51.000There's something just different than competing in NFL. I mean, I don't know, there's some crazy motherfuckers that compete in the NFL. Like, Ray Lewis, those guys who want to fucking take your head off.
00:49:38.000Just kind of stay there, but I mean, yeah, no, it is hard because those highs all fight week, everyone wants to fucking talk to you, you're the fucking man, then you win, and then it's like the next week, you're just kind of at home, just like sitting around, it's like, whoa.
00:49:56.000It's crazy because I haven't worked out really much since the last fight, just trying to heal everything up, prepare for, you know, kill next year.
00:50:26.000I mean, the happiness you get from training fucking hard and then doing the plunge, knowing it's good for you and how good it makes you feel, it's like, there's just something about it, dude.
00:50:41.000Just all the dumb shit that's in there that, like, you would just let bounce around if you didn't work out or if you didn't cold plunge or something like that.
00:50:49.000I feel like the morning routines, too.
00:50:51.000I notice, because right after the fights, I'm just all out, 100% disciplined.
00:50:56.000I'm going to do what I need to do to perform that night.
00:50:59.000But right after the fight, the next week or two, I'm like, I'm going to just lay in bed a little bit longer.
00:51:04.000But once you get back to my morning routine, where I got my red light, my PEMF machine, my cold plunge, all that stuff, and I just do that.
00:51:12.000I go in there for like 30 minutes in the morning, just fucking prepare for the day.
00:51:44.000It does feel kind of cool, but I feel like there's benefits.
00:51:49.000I feel like the sales, especially if you read the benefits, and then you really kind of just tell yourself, like, okay, this is what's happening.
00:51:56.000Scotty from Mexico told us about it and told us how good it was.
00:52:03.000We got some pretty high-powered machines, but we were hanging out with Dana a couple weeks ago and just both you guys just have such like this good high energy.
00:52:14.000Especially seeing you kill on stage and then even before like having that good energy and you already did a show then you're in the green room fucking just feel like it's you don't see many guys even Younger than you are our age that have that energy.
00:52:27.000It's fucking yeah It's powerful to be around like being on Dana to just fucking he's hell fires you up Yeah, one of the things I always tell comics is because a lot of comics did to eat poorly they don't exercise they're lazy I was telling like You have more energy.
00:52:43.000Like, your body is your vehicle for carrying you through life.
00:54:02.000I mean, obviously it doesn't, because when you look back at those memories and who you used to be, it's interesting to compare yourself, but at the end of the day, it doesn't stop.
00:54:11.000Every day comes whether you wanted to or not.
00:54:16.000So it just goes and goes and goes and if you fucking slip and if you let it go, if you don't do what you should do, you'll have a life of regret.
00:54:25.000That's what I'm trying to remind myself too.
00:54:38.000And I need to make sure too right now especially because you get so many opportunities to go do things like to just keep reminding myself what's the goal what's the goal what's the goal just to fucking keep training and for the next six seven years just be as fucking good as I can be because I'm gonna be fucking 40 and going god Do you think you'll know when to stop?
00:55:44.000So I see them and I have like a mold that I can put them in.
00:55:49.000So like when I see guys moving different and I see guys slowing down and I see guys throwing one, two and then not reacting on the counter shot and not throwing the counter kicks.
00:56:36.000It would suck a fat dick if that happened on a world title fight against a guy who's been talking mad shit about you, calling you a slut for China.
00:56:53.000Sean Strickland looks so fucking good.
00:56:55.000I don't know if that was Izzy being flat.
00:56:58.000It might be that he underestimated him.
00:57:01.000Chris Curtis says, like, all the time people come in, good-ass kickboxers come in, and Sean Strickland just frustrates them, pressures them so much, doesn't let off the gas pedal, defends all their hard shots and keeps pressuring them.
00:57:12.000He says he makes a lot of guys look bad like that.
00:57:21.000It was so important because he's standing like this straight up and you don't know when it's coming and every now and then he's stabbing you in the gut.
00:57:29.000And he doesn't throw a lot of kicks, but he throws a very effective left front kick and his fucking checks are on the money.
00:57:35.000Yeah, you could tell Izzy like you could almost hear it even on the TV like you'd land those stabbing kicks.
00:57:41.000And that motherfucker spars like that so often that he's completely It's just another day.
00:58:43.000Well, I was talking to UFC recently, and we just bullshit, and they're like, Izzy's constantly, same with Volkanovski, asking, let me fight, let me fight, let me fight, let me fight.
00:58:53.000I asked him, I said, do you think he's going to want to chill for a little bit?
00:59:28.000There's a cool video when I fought Peter from the first round going into the second round for Tim saying, hey, when you're southpaw, feint low, throw that left hand over the top.
00:59:37.000And the first minute into that, you literally see it play-by-play of what I did.
01:00:53.000When I see other coaches out there and fighters, I just feel like, even if they've got a good relationship, it's like, we hang out every single fucking day.
01:00:59.000We podcast together, we do everything together.
01:01:01.000We'll go grab lunch, hang out with our girls together, travel.
01:01:04.000I do everything together, train together, and it's just, I feel like there's like a chemistry there that a lot of fighter coaches don't have.
01:01:14.000But yeah, in the training room when we're hitting mitts, sparring days, it's like, you know, we turn that on and it's good.
01:01:19.000It must be awesome for you, Tim, because you took a giant risk in your life doing this, dedicating yourself to one athlete, you know, and other athletes, too.
01:01:27.000But I mean, it's like a big thing, man, you did.
01:01:30.000Yeah, I think I've just loved the sport and loved martial arts and all the different arts so much.
01:01:36.000And then getting to live with Robert Follis and seeing another guy who's so passionate about it.
01:02:10.000It just literally fucking happened, and he'd hold mitts for me, and it's fucking wild.
01:02:16.000Yeah, again, though, it's like, it doesn't matter how good of a coach you got.
01:02:20.000Like, the athletes that can go in there, be in the moment, be calm, and make it happen, it's like, that is so fucking rare, and I don't know where that I don't know where I came from with you, but I remember seeing you when you were 17 years old, kickboxing in the cage, and you looked comfortable in there, like you were just having fun.
01:02:35.000And then I saw him when I was 18, I saw him fight this wrestler, still just having fun in there, and that's when I invited him down.
01:02:41.000Every single fight, like, even you said against Aljo, like, how were your nerves?
01:02:46.000Or Peter Yan in Abu Dhabi, who butchers people.
01:02:49.000He doesn't just beat people, he fucking cuts them and beats the fuck out of them, and you were just stone cold in the locker room.
01:03:54.000I mean, I might have been too delusional, but I also got very humbled a lot, too.
01:03:58.000Like, I would get humbled, and I would be like, God, this is not what I... But then, for whatever reason, I'd come back to me and be like, no, I'm gonna be fucking world champ.
01:04:06.000I'm gonna be one of the biggest stars in the UFC. But I remember, yeah, telling him that, even, like, when I first moved down.
01:04:14.000Well, I remember when I first met you, when we first started talking, I couldn't believe you didn't have a background in traditional martial arts.
01:04:23.000That was assuming you had a, like you, maybe when you were a kid, you did karate or taekwondo.
01:04:28.000Basketball, football, baseball, soccer, all, every, different sport all year round for, since I was probably five, six years old, just constantly being an athlete, doing athletic stuff, I feel like helped develop my, I do think too, some people just have this This ability to fight.
01:06:51.000Until you said that, I never considered it.
01:06:53.000Oh yeah, that other fight, neither one of those guys is a current world champion.
01:06:57.000Even though it's for the title, they don't get a piece of the pay-per-view.
01:07:00.000I've been having a business kind of mindset, getting into fighting early, early on.
01:07:06.000Thinking about numbers and brand deals and when I get to this position, what I'm going to ask for at the UFC. I go and sit down with Hunter and do our own negotiations and stuff and It's fun.
01:09:44.000You know, Jake Paul offers you more money probably than he made his entire UFC career for a boxing match after you've had a hip replacement.
01:11:07.000Brilliant lady and boy does she have some like cautionary tales of what happens when you give the government control because the way their country worked is they said we're gonna take the land away from the farmers so that everyone will have food we'll just grow the food for everyone and then they're like no we're not.
01:11:22.000Once they took the land away like no you gotta eat what we tell you to, you gotta do what we tell you to, wear what we tell you to.
01:12:59.000God, how much is like social media these days affecting like marriage?
01:13:03.000I wonder what the percentage of like success rate in marriage is gonna be in about five years.
01:13:08.000That's a really good question because I was watching YouTube the other day and a clip popped up that I didn't watch, but it was Lex Friedman had some guy on and the guy was explaining how Instagram is essentially an infidelity accelerating machine.
01:13:24.000Because if you think of, like, how many...
01:13:27.000I mean, I know guys who are married, and their wife's page is all their wife sticking their titties out and sticking their butt out.
01:13:36.000I mean, it's literally the whole page.
01:13:40.000And I'm not talking about girls who are, like, professional fitness influencers that are just showing how good their body is.
01:13:47.000I'm just talking about just regular gals.
01:13:50.000Like, if you're a professional fitness person and, you know, maybe you train people or something like that, yeah, of course you should show your body.
01:14:26.000How easily those relationships are just available.
01:14:29.000When I was talking about that last night with the dating apps, like when someone in one of those bottom-of-the-barrel shows, one of the questions was Hinge, which was a dating app.
01:14:39.000And I was like, how much are you going to be invested in trying to figure somebody out if you've got like a hundred people that you swiped on that are also ready to go?
01:14:49.000And then you could just like leave this date sucks.
01:14:52.000Like, text this person like, hey, something just came up.
01:15:42.000Especially when they have kids and they're just staying together being miserable with kids and they don't even know those kids are sitting there looking at how they interact with each other.
01:15:51.000They just feel the interactions if it's not genuine.
01:15:54.000It's just there for the kids like fuck.
01:15:57.000Yeah, if they feel like a bitterness between them.
01:15:59.000And then also they'll identify future relationships like that too.
01:16:03.000You know, that's like a scary thing about people who grow up in like abusive households.
01:16:07.000Like if the mother and father are abusive to each other, verbally abusive to each other, then they'll probably pattern that as they get older.
01:16:15.000And they just think you're supposed to like fight and then make up.
01:18:56.000Is there a lot of lazy comedians that are kind of naturally funny that could be way better that just kind of just get by with the little funniness?
01:20:14.000As long as I get my work done, what I need to get done, like exercise and writing and all that stuff, I'll allow it sometimes to happen at different times.
01:20:22.000So sometimes I wake up in the morning and I just wake up and I'm like, I gotta write right now.
01:20:28.000And then I'll get high and sit in front of the computer for a couple hours.
01:20:32.000And sometimes it's coming after the club.
01:20:35.000Like some of the best shit I've ever written is like I went off stage, I got home, and I just sat down and started going over ideas and then come up with things.
01:20:43.000God, that's so sweet that that's your club.
01:20:44.000When we were watching last night on the balcony looking down at you performing in your club, that's fucking so sweet.
01:24:03.000It was so fun hanging up there like David Lucas, William, Hans, Tony, just like feeling like a part of the group for a little bit was fucking really fun.
01:24:12.000It's a real fun, it's like we, it's like if you could hang with your boys and have like the best night of your life at a point where like you're thinking about it months later.
01:24:25.000We're all constantly talking shit and laughing and But it's almost like podcasts, too, because the conversations will segue and interesting things, and someone will bring something up, and they'll be always talking about it, and we're playing music.
01:24:37.000Heading down to Mitzi's after it was fun, the bar.
01:25:09.000We were up in the balcony and I went to just grab mine and I was like, oh shit, I think it's locked in that motherfucker, which is cool though.
01:25:34.000I think if you're smart and you can figure it out I think people can figure things out It's like I think there's a certain mindset that you would have to acquire and I think some people they're very different It's very difficult for them to change the way they look at things and change the way They think other people see them because people have a delusional idea of how other people see you and And I think in comedy sometimes you have to approach, you have to think of it in a different way.
01:26:00.000You have to think of it as an audience as much as you have to think of it as yourself.
01:26:49.000How many times do you do something in the barrel room, or when you're doing the barrel show, that's fucking good, but you can't write it down?
01:30:56.000And one got in her beak and she's running around the chicken coop and all of them are chasing after her and biting at her face and trying to steal the mouse from her.
01:31:07.000Because every other time they eat, like if we serve them, you know, chicken feed and we serve them like dried worms and all these different things.
01:31:14.000They peck at it, but they don't steal from each other.
01:31:34.000It's like a perfect fucking animal God put down there for us.
01:31:38.000Yeah, and if you're a person that has a good relationship with that chicken, like all these people that are vegan, that's like, I would never eat eggs.
01:31:45.000Like, listen, it's not going to be a chicken.
01:32:54.000When I used to try to lose weight when I was competing, I was trying to make 140 pounds, and I only made it one year my senior year in high school, and I couldn't do it again.
01:33:41.000When I went on a full carnivore diet like a few years ago for a month, where I ate nothing but meat for a month, I was like, God, this is like the best I've ever felt.
01:33:50.000So now I've been doing that for three solid months.
01:36:25.000Yeah, when I cut elk steaks and I vacuum seal them, so what I do is I'll get the back straps and I'll set up a cutting board and I slice them.
01:36:33.000When I'm slicing into it, man, it's like red gold.
01:37:48.000Smash heads with these giant, like, war antlers, and they stab each other.
01:37:55.000Like, I've seen elk that have stab holes in their body.
01:37:57.000Cam Haynes snuck up on a bedded elk once.
01:38:01.000He saw this bedded elk, and he got within, like, 40 yards, this bedded elk, drew back, placed a perfect arrow through its vitals, and it didn't budge.
01:39:56.000It sucks a fat one, but it is the shit when it comes to cardio.
01:40:00.000Our sprints we were doing because we couldn't MMA spar, we were doing fucking sprints on the aerodyne, hitting mitts, speed ladders, aerodyne.
01:40:36.000I think it's like super beefy and sturdy.
01:40:38.000And it also, one of the things I like is it has like, you can get a plastic lid that covers the fan in front of you so that it doesn't blow air at you.
01:41:34.000There's interval sprints like Tabatas, but just steady state cardio where you're constantly at around 130, 135, which is a lot of rolling, especially if you're technical rolling.
01:42:21.000What's so much more fun about it than tennis?
01:42:23.000Well, tennis is harder to like fucking actually hit it over.
01:42:26.000It was like it was like a big game of ping-pong and you played two-on-two duos and it was like I don't know it was just so much fun but an hour and a half goes by like that and good workout your sweat and your heart rates up a bit.
01:44:38.000You ever take macular support vitamins?
01:44:41.000Pure Encapsulations has a macular support formula that I was like, you know, as you get older, one of the things that absolutely happens for most people, except fucking Cam Haynes.
01:47:57.000The dark humor shit is just so much fun to where you just can't quite say shit online or in public or on podcasts, but you can say shit in the green room or at the house.
01:49:33.000That show has launched so many careers.
01:49:35.000And it's a great bedrock for the comedy scene here in Austin because it teaches you to just be funny.
01:49:43.000It's not about whatever woke cultural trends and espousing all the right virtues on stage, which you do fucking see at some of these places.
01:49:52.000Yeah, because they're young kids, and they think they have to be woke, and they see certain people on Netflix, and they see them getting critical reviews, so they try to ape that, they try to kind of mimic that, pretend they're that, and they just get caught in this world Of virtue signaling instead of the world of just trying to be funny.
01:50:12.000And on Kill Tony, you're just trying to be funny.
01:51:33.000For, like, your big, like, crazy podcast, like, I mean, like, Elon and all those things, do you do, like, anything special in the morning or just a normal morning?
01:51:46.000Especially, like, an Elon one or a scientist one.
01:51:49.000I'll do – depending upon the subject, if it's a scientist, oftentimes I'll read their book or I'll listen to it or I'll watch lectures that they've given or TED Talks.
01:52:00.000I just try to get a sense of like what I'm curious about.
01:52:24.000So when I'm talking to a guy like Brian Keating or something, you know, astrophysicist guys, these guys are so goddamn smart that really...
01:52:34.000All I'm trying to do is, like, just get a grasp of how this is understood.
01:52:39.000What are they doing to figure this out?
01:52:42.000Is it possible that they're going to know in the future that this data is incorrect?
01:56:13.000And I remember one time lying in my bed.
01:56:17.000broke 20 years old no money no future and you know i had been offered a pro fight for like 400 or 500 or something like that mma no kickboxing there was no mma at the time this is 1988 and i'm thinking what am i doing like what am i doing with my life you know 500 bucks and there was just no future in it there's just nowhere to go like so you're getting good at this thing that there's nothing there There's nowhere to go with it.
01:56:42.000Like, you could become a boxer, but you're not good at boxing.
01:57:03.000I wore mine for about a year and a half.
01:57:05.000I cannot believe what, because I didn't realize how fucked up my teeth were, and then someone pointed it out, and I was like, damn, they're fucked up.
01:57:14.000Then I got Invisalign after you did, and I'll be smiling all day now.
01:57:22.000I kind of crave them being in sometimes.
01:57:23.000It's a better mouthpiece for jiu-jitsu.
01:57:26.000It's probably not good enough for striking, but for jiu-jitsu, it's a better mouthpiece.
01:57:30.000I remember it was a pain in the ass, though, some nights you're just like, I don't want to wear these, or you change your trays, and it's like, fuck!
01:58:16.000A lot of people just don't make the decisions and don't do what you need to do.
01:58:21.000A lot of that isn't hard stuff, but it's like, I'm going to go home, I'm going to ice bath, I'm going to sauna, I'm going to stretch, and I'm going to go to bed instead of going out with the boys.
01:58:31.000I'm going to do that for fucking nine years until I'm world champ.
01:58:45.000Right now, obviously, coming off the fight, I've been traveling a lot over the weekends, but for the most part, even still, once we get back to routine, it's like just doing those little things, stretching, taking care of your body, eating clean, and just fucking preparing for the next day, preparing for the next training sessions for years of consistency.
01:59:20.000Like, who see what you've done, and they can see that there's, like, a path.
01:59:24.000And that, like, I'm gonna emulate this guy's focus, this guy's discipline, this guy's belief in himself.
01:59:30.000And, you know, that is what inspires so many other people to do it.
01:59:34.000I remember, you know, being a kid, watching the training sessions of Mike Tyson with Custom Auto.
01:59:39.000And just thinking, like, wow, what an amazing convergence of these two human beings.
01:59:46.000About it comes together, this guy's fully disciplined, fully focused, and then when he wins the world title at 20 years old, you see him standing there inside the ring after he knocked out Trevor Burbick, and you're like, holy shit, he did it.
02:01:36.000I reach out to this guy yesterday who wrote this book on the American West and I reached out to him because I'd heard him on another podcast and I got his book.
02:01:44.000And sometimes it's just they'll send the email in and it goes through my guy and it gets filtered back to me.
02:01:49.000And he sends the ones that are relevant and I look at those and I'm like, hmm.
02:03:02.000I've had that book for like four years and I still religiously, especially in camp for like 12 weeks out, read every morning and just like, it's fucking good.
02:03:14.000It's so cool when there's people that highlight stuff like that and really put it out there and just get so many people interested in those ideas.
02:03:22.000But Marcus Aurelius is like listening to his stuff.
02:03:25.000I was always like, oh, this guy is so interesting.
02:03:28.000Like, God, imagine being like this conqueror, this guy who's like running Rome and running Greece, and you think like this.
02:03:58.000Teaching you how to manage your mind is how many times can someone say one thing to you and that thing kind of resets the way you look at stuff.
02:04:11.000You could try to twist something with your fingers, but if you have a wrench, you're like, Oh, yeah, this is way better.
02:04:17.000And sometimes ideas are like a tool, and you can just apply them at various times in your life.
02:04:23.000And if you can hear about them from someone who's already figured that out, that's a giant step in the learning curve that you get to jump.
02:04:31.000Yeah, I mean, like, even if it was Naval, some of his stuff is so fucking good.
02:04:35.000That Naval's fucking fun to listen to.
02:04:48.000California is much more problematic right now for schools.
02:04:53.000Because one of the things that was happening to me in my school where my kids used to go is they hired some person to teach them that they have to be anti-racists.
02:05:05.000It's not good enough to not be racist.
02:05:30.000Like, you're pumping in, you're indoctrinating them into this woke, guilt-free, or guilt-ridden ideology that you're carrying around with you, and you feel like you have an obligation to impose this on children.
02:05:43.000You know, our goals should have always been what the goals were that the liberals had in, like, the 60s and the 70s, which is a colorblind society.
02:05:51.000The Martin Luther King notion that we should treat people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin.
02:07:19.000It's very rare that when people are like...
02:07:23.000They're proselytizing and out there trying to indoctrinate people into certain ideas.
02:07:27.000It's very rare they're doing it just for true altruism, like they think that those ideas are just immensely beneficial.
02:07:34.000They're also doing it to boost themselves up, and it becomes an economy, an economy of people that boost themselves up by highlighting valid issues in the world, but doing so in a way where they become the moral compass and the person who gets to dictate how people behave and think and talk.
02:07:54.000People love to fucking control people.
02:07:57.000And if they can control people because there's some guilt thing and a horrible social issue like the George Floyd thing where everybody's kind of on board like, oh my god, they killed that guy.
02:08:35.000I don't like you, so I don't want you putting your shitty philosophy, your shitty judgmental philosophy, and indoctrinating children with it.
02:09:47.000I think if you deny kids social media, one of the things you're going to do is you're going to kind of socially alienate them because all their friends are on social media.
02:09:54.000But then there's also this thing where kids are living in a new world.
02:10:00.000And even though you didn't grow up in that world, if you say, oh, this social media, I think they're getting an adversity that you're not going to get.
02:10:08.000And they're going to get some resilience from that adversity.
02:10:11.000But there's going to be mental health consequences, especially for people who didn't grow up in it.
02:10:15.000And that's one of the things that they experience.
02:10:17.000Jonathan Haidt's book, The Coddling of the American Mind, is about that.
02:10:22.000And one of the things it highlights is self-harm amongst girls ramps up considerably somewhere around 2008, 2009. And it's right when Twitter and social media and Facebook and all that stuff comes out.
02:10:34.000And now they're comparing themselves to other people, and comparing lives, and people are using filters, and they're distorting reality, and there's more instances of suicide and self-harm, and then there's bullying.
02:10:48.000Well, even just being on my phone, like I don't feel like I'm comparing myself, but just picking up my phone and being on it and surfing, and then putting it down, then picking it up, surfing.
02:10:56.000It just gives you this little level of anxiety.
02:11:01.000Some of the four and five-year-olds, you can tell the ones that, like, in jiu-jitsu, the ones that their parents really monitor it compared to the ones that always just put it in front of them.
02:11:10.000And a lot of those kids that always get it, they always quit jiu-jitsu because it's too hard or they don't want to do the warm-ups and stuff.
02:11:15.000And they sit on the side now and just go...
02:11:52.000It's crazy because you're just like, either these guys are such good actors or they're a little bit crazy or they're fucking just telling the truth.
02:11:59.000It's so hard to know, but that one cop, when they bring that one cop to the site where the crash was and he starts crying.
02:14:34.000I feel like there's such an important connection, those nine months, ten months of that baby being in there and just you holding your belly and you feeling it kick.
02:15:47.000It was a theory that people were running with and a lot of people were talking about and then someone reexamined it and said, I don't think this is real.
02:15:56.000Like, I don't think sperm has any ability to kill other sperm.
02:16:00.000But the idea was that, like, some of your loads were, like, warriors.
02:16:03.000And they would go out there and try to find the other loads in there.
02:18:25.000So he started it, and all these years later, it's like, but one of the weird things about Mormonism is like, they, if it is a cult, I guess it is, they are the nicest fucking cult members ever.
02:18:43.000I go to Utah a lot, and I know a lot of them from there, and I had some neighbors that we're friends with back in LA that were They were Mormons.
02:18:59.000We have this one family, and they left the country for like a year for their kids, for their education, and took them to Europe.
02:19:08.000And then when they came back, they left the church.
02:19:11.000Not being there for a year, they came back like, this is kind of ridiculous.
02:19:14.000But she was talking about it and she said one of the things that she recognized is that it makes her very vulnerable to charlatans and gurus and stuff like that because she was kind of programmed to always believe the preacher and programmed to always believe the church.
02:19:30.000But she was kind of recognizing it in herself that she has this flaw in the way she views the world.
02:23:08.000Yeah, because you could just lie about stuff.
02:23:10.000Did you ever see the guy from Australia that said he was Jesus?
02:23:14.000He's like, he literally says he's the reincarnation of Jesus and there's this woman that's with him and he says that she's Mary and she really believed that she was Mary and then she found out that there was another Mary in the past.
02:23:24.000But he had said this other girl was Mary, and then they're like, hey, what about this other girl?
02:23:44.000It's weird, a lot of religious people, they'll just look at the beliefs, they won't look at who formed those beliefs, and when did they form those beliefs, and who was it?
02:23:52.000Even Jehovah's Witnesses, like this Charles Taze Russell, didn't even know Greek, and he wrote this whole new translation of the Bible, and everyone got on board.
02:24:03.000Yeah, there's always people like that.
02:24:05.000But I mean, the original Bible itself, like one of the weird things is the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is the oldest versions of some of the stories in the Bible, and they're different.
02:24:14.000They're in Aramaic, and it's like, well, should we all just read that now?
02:24:19.000You know, and why are we going on the New Testament instead of the Old Testament?
02:24:39.000People are fucking tripping and seeing these stories and writing them down.
02:24:44.000Well, that's Marcus Aurelius, too, you know?
02:24:46.000I mean, that was one of the more interesting things about diving deep into ancient Greek culture.
02:24:51.000Is that you find, like, this book, The Immortality Key, from this guy Brian Mororescu, who found that the Eleusinian mysteries, when all these people were coming to Eleusis from all over the world and taking part in these mystery ceremonies, they never know what they were doing until recently.
02:25:07.000And recently they started doing these tests on some of the vessels that they found, the wine vessels, and they were laced with psychedelics.
02:25:14.000So now they know for sure, and they've opened up a field of study at Harvard, and they're exploring this, and they're doing more testing and more studying.
02:25:22.000They know that the people that founded democracy were tripping balls.
02:25:48.000I went to Catholic school when I was first grade, but the nun that taught Catholic school was such a cunt that it was easy to realize that it wasn't real.
02:25:57.000I'd lost all of my faith in organized religion when I was seven years old.
02:26:01.000And your parents weren't putting on you?
02:26:04.000Well, my parents split up when I was young.
02:26:07.000When my mom married my stepdad, my stepdad was a hippie.
02:26:11.000And then we lived in San Francisco from the time I was seven years old.
02:26:15.000So it was like the height of the Vietnam War.
02:26:22.000We lived around all these counterculture people.
02:26:25.000And that was a big part of my upbringing from 7 to 11. So there was no religion back then.
02:26:33.000But I think religions are a good scaffolding for people.
02:26:36.000And I think there's something absolutely beautiful about a lot of the ideas of a lot of organized religions that really, really benefit people.
02:26:43.000But I also think it could be used as a tool to control people.
02:26:48.000My mom, I feel like it's good for her, just the community sense.
02:26:51.000Because she doesn't have, like, we go to the gym, you go to the green room, you go to the comedy store, we have a community to where she just believes in her religion so much because she gets this joy from going to church because she's around this community.
02:29:04.000There's not another thing on earth like that other than actual child molesters where you automatically have at least some connection in your mind.
02:29:14.000Like if a Catholic priest says, hey, I want your son to come over my house for a sleeping thing.
02:29:22.000But if like a boxing coach is like, hey, we're gonna take some kids over the house for a sleepover, we're gonna take 'em on an early morning run, you know, and then we're gonna do this and we'll have 'em back to you by Saturday, And the kids come back all laughing.
02:29:32.000You know, like, this guy's been doing this.
02:29:45.000Some religions too, like if a kid says, hey, this guy, this elder or whatever molested me, they have it in their rules or whatever that there needs to be two witnesses.
02:29:56.000There needs to be two witnesses or we're not taking precautions.
02:33:49.000He had a very interesting outlook on drugs.
02:33:51.000Well, you know, he was a straight-laced guy who didn't do any drugs at all until he became a researcher.
02:33:55.000And then when he was a clinical researcher, I mean, he's a professor at Columbia.
02:33:58.000And he realized when he was doing research, like, oh, our perceptions of the effects of drugs are all just a lot of propaganda and bullshit.
02:34:05.000And a lot of the problem is, like, impure drugs, abuse of these drugs.
02:34:16.000Yeah, candy's the worst drug at all for little kids.
02:34:19.000Just kids for, like, giving them fucking Sour Patch Kids and Skittles and they're just fucking geeked out on sugar for a little bit.
02:34:24.000Or it's okay for, like, a 350-pound person who's clearly gonna die from a heart attack to go into a gas station, load up on the ice cream, load up on the candy, and head out.
02:36:51.000He had me up against the fence exactly where he wanted me, and he couldn't take me down.
02:36:55.000That's where I got my most confidence from, for sure.
02:36:57.000Knocking him out, I felt like I knew I could do that.
02:37:01.000It's such a big advantage to being a really good striker.
02:37:05.000Because if your whole thing is you have to close the distance and clinch with someone and you're a good striker, but you don't, it's not your thing.
02:37:13.000Like you're not just looking to put it on somebody.
02:37:15.000It's like you're using as a tool to enact your skill set.
02:38:33.000We were talking about this last night as well, that the UFC is trying to allow people to take peptides again, specifically BBC 157, which just helps you heal.
02:38:42.000I mean, that's really what it's about.
02:38:44.000It just helps soft tissue damage repair quicker.
02:39:41.000If you take cordyceps mushrooms, cordyceps mushrooms like Onnit, Shroomtech, 100% Helps you hit an extra gear when you're training.
02:39:48.000You know, there's a lot of pre-workouts that are legal.
02:39:51.000There's a lot of stuff that's legal that is 100% performance enhancing.
02:39:54.000I think what we have to keep people doing is doing supernatural levels of testosterone and growth hormone and things that allow, like, Vitor Belfort to become TRT. Alistair.
02:40:06.000But even that, it's like, listen, if anybody should be able to fucking do that, it's guys who fight in a cage for a living.
02:40:12.000If anybody should be able to do that, to be at their prime, as long as they weigh 135 pounds when they fucking step on that scale, I think we're wrapped around this idea of cheating.
02:40:22.000I think we should be wrapped around this idea of optimizing.
02:40:25.000And I think optimization should be the most important thing.
02:40:28.000Yeah, I mean, if you're 35, 36, 37 in the UFC, you've been competing in the UFC for 10 years, and you're not allowed to just do any of these peptides.
02:41:37.000And if you do, you become, I mean, if you also are super intelligent, super dedicated, and you have John Donaher in your corner, you become Gordon Ryan.
02:42:13.000Like, don't ruin your fucking endocrine system.
02:42:15.000They're competing at such a high level without it.
02:42:17.000But as time goes on, you know, like, even guys that are 19, 20, when you hit 23, 24, my fucking shoulder, My back, my ribs, like how many jujitsu guys do you know that have fucked up backs?
02:42:38.000I mean, God, my neck, I feel like my posture is like a little fucked up, so I've always had like really good guillotine defense and shit, but I don't know, my neck took a beating, but it feels pretty strong and not too bad, but my back fucking gets fucked up from wrestling a lot.
02:42:53.000Do you ever do things specifically to strengthen your neck?
02:44:00.000But people hanging on your neck, especially when you're going with college wrestlers like Bryce Meredith, when he fucking snaps your head down and you're fucking trying to keep your posture up, Yeah, three-time D1 All-American, like, two-time NCAA finalist.
02:44:14.000Like, they're different level wrestlers.
02:44:16.000Yeah, and it's fun going with those high-ass level wrestlers.
02:44:58.000The trickiest shit with that, what I've learned from my experiences, like, this one doesn't say it, but if it said dietary supplement on the back, or on the bottom, and if it says supplemental facts instead of nutrition facts, that's when you can't take it unless it's third-party tested.
02:45:14.000So, like, a Celsius says dietary supplement on the bottom, and it doesn't say it's not third-party tested.
02:45:19.000So that, you could test positive for that.
02:45:22.000Well, I guarantee you, if you drink Hillcliffs.
02:45:41.000If you're in the USADA pool, you cannot have anything that says dietary supplement that is not third-party tested because you could fucking test for something.
02:49:17.000I mean, I remember being just moving to L.A. And I was with this girl that I dated, and we went to see, at the Man's Chinese Theater, we went to see Pulp Fiction.
02:49:25.000And I remember sitting in that movie theater and going, what kind of fucking movie is this?
02:55:52.000Well, I can see if you had a hurt neck.
02:55:54.000But if you did have a hurt neck, like if you got KO'd in football, you had clashed, and your head's fucked up, and they give you a smell, you saw your...
02:56:40.000Like, how many times has a fighter been cracked early in a fight, and then you see they're still dealing with that later in the fight, and then afterwards they don't even remember the fight?
03:00:52.000I'm gonna keep this phone and just have apps on that phone and just every now and then when I have to post or something like that, I'll post.
03:03:20.000No, I feel like if I am, I'll just fucking sell all my cars, get a Sprinter van, and hire my dad to drive me around full-time, so I'm not too worried about it.
03:08:04.000You know, letting it slow itself down.
03:08:05.000Or if you're on cruise control in a different car and you forget that it doesn't slow down when you get behind someone, you fucking always hit them.
03:09:10.000Yeah, you just plug it in at your house.
03:09:12.000You never have to go to a gas station.
03:09:14.000You know those sketchy moments where you're coming home and it's 1 o'clock in the morning and you're on E I want to get gas, but I don't want to fucking pull into some weird station and get carjacked.
03:11:34.000That's how I feel like it is out kind of in Arizona where we're at, out there.
03:11:37.000But one thing does happen to people, and it's going to happen to you, too, is as you get more and more famous, sometimes people get anxiety about social circumstances just because you don't want to get bothered.
03:14:53.000I have a conversation with myself to where I... Kind of, with my breath, I'm going to say, Alright, I'm just going to let my higher self take over.
03:15:49.000The guy fought 10 fights, including winning the world title with one eye.
03:15:53.000That was one of my favorite moments in the UFC. I didn't watch the UFC very too far back, but one of the coolest moments was when Bisping knocked out Rockhold.
03:18:03.000And if this happens, like, I fucked my wrist up once when I was young when I didn't tape it right, and I hit someone with a body shot, and I caught their elbow and twisted my wrist back.
03:18:12.000My wrist was fucked up for, like, a year after that.
03:18:15.000You blew your bicep out throwing a body shot like that.
03:22:07.000You have to say, they have him not listed as pound for pound because he lost that fight.
03:22:11.000I think you make a real argument that he won that fight.
03:22:13.000On top and the end of the fifth pounding on him.
03:22:16.000It's hard not I mean, I think he won the fight in my mind He won the fighting he did more damage.
03:22:21.000I think they'll pose the skill set It's also insanely impressive that he goes up from 45 to fight a massive 55 the guys as big at 55 as anybody is and You know at the end of the fight.
03:22:32.000He drops him gets on top of him I mean and had massive moments throughout the fight and But it sort of at least gives an air of vulnerability to Islam, where before that, most people were like, this guy's unstoppable.
03:23:10.000And he's such an interesting case, right?
03:23:12.000Because at one point in time, like the Cub Swanson fight, a couple of his other fights, people are like, well, Charles just doesn't have it.
03:23:18.000Like, whatever it is, he just falls apart.
03:23:35.000I think he did 55 in the initial fights in the UFC. But against Efrain Escudero, I think that was 55. But he was just too dehydrated and fucked up to fight at 45. And for whatever reason, just didn't have it together mentally.
03:23:51.000And then, boom, all of a sudden, he's the fucking man.
03:23:55.000Yeah, it's almost just so cool seeing those guys with a lot of losses become the fucking man.
03:25:50.000And after he beat Usman in the second fight, you realize his takedown defense is more impressive, and his striking is as good as anybody in the sport.
03:26:57.000One thing I think Kamaru fucked up was talking about how bad his knees are.
03:27:01.000I remember he said that on the pod, because I never knew, but then he brought it up when he was doing the pod with you, saying he has to walk backwards downstairs, he has to walk in the grass sometimes, just talking about...
03:27:10.000I think if you're a fighter and you got some real injuries, keep that shit under wrap, because if you're fighting someone and I know they're fucked up somewhere or something, it gives you a little edge, maybe.
03:27:21.000Maybe not, but I feel like he fucked up.
03:28:00.000And then, yeah, maybe they weren't allowed some extra TRT, some sauce, and then they get on it, and then they're like, I'm fucking back, baby.