The Joe Rogan Experience - October 24, 2011


JRE MMA Show #150 with Daniel Cormier


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In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the host talks about the life and career of former NBA Champion Mike Tyson and how he became one of the greatest athletes of all time. Joe also talks about how he got into jiu-jitsu and what it takes to be a champion in jiu jitsu and how to deal with the pressures of being a professional jiujitsu fighter. Joe also discusses how he went from being a college basketball player to becoming a professional martial arts fighter and how that led him to become the first black man to win a World Series of Fighting title in the history of the sport and how it changed the way we look at martial arts and martial arts as a whole and how we view martial arts in general as a sport and as an art form. Joe and Joe also talk about how they met and fell in love with the late Kobe Bryant and the impact he had on the way he became the greatest athlete the world has ever seen and how they became the best friends they've ever had. Joe and Mike discuss how they got to where they are now and how their friendship is forever changed and how important it is to have a good relationship with each other and respect for one another. Thank you for listening and supporting the show and Joe for being a friend of the show. I hope you enjoy it and tweet me if you like it! with your thoughts on this episode! Timestamps: 1:00 - What's the craziest thing you ve ever seen? 3:30 - Mike Tyson? 4: What do you think of Mike Tyson did? 5: What would you do with his legacy? 6:20 - What is your favorite piece of food? 7:00- What kind of food do you like to eat? 8:40 - What was your favorite meal? 9:30- What s your favorite restaurant? 10:00 - How do you would you eat after watching a movie with someone else? 11:15 - What are you looking for in a movie or TV show? 12:00: What are your favorite movie? 13:00 | What s the crazier than a movie that you re watching right now? 15:30 | Who do you want to see me talk about? 16: How do I feel about the most powerful man in your life? 17:40 | What do I need to be more?

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00:00:12.000 I got a friend named Zach Esposito, and he used to do that.
00:00:16.000 We would get done with practice and every technique had to be perfect.
00:00:21.000 Even getting undressed and then backdressed.
00:00:24.000 This dude would sometimes get undressed three times.
00:00:26.000 What?
00:00:27.000 He would get dressed Maybe he put something on in the wrong order.
00:00:32.000 I don't know what he would do.
00:00:33.000 But then he would take it off.
00:00:33.000 He would do it again.
00:00:34.000 He would take it off.
00:00:34.000 And then if he was drilling, every move.
00:00:37.000 It's like, I don't know what that disease is called.
00:00:40.000 Obsessive-compulsive disorder.
00:00:41.000 That.
00:00:41.000 Right?
00:00:42.000 It was with everything though.
00:00:43.000 And he became a NCAA champion.
00:00:44.000 Doesn't it make sense though, that like those kind of things, if you could channel them into something positive.
00:00:50.000 Like if you're a maniac.
00:00:51.000 Yeah.
00:00:52.000 And you could, like say if you're like a compulsive gambler, you can't stop gambling.
00:00:55.000 You just gotta get out there and play bets.
00:00:57.000 There's guys like that.
00:00:58.000 If they could channel that same energy into something else, like jiu-jitsu.
00:01:03.000 Could you imagine an athlete that's like that?
00:01:07.000 Yeah.
00:01:07.000 Michael Jordan.
00:01:08.000 I'm sure he's like that.
00:01:09.000 For as compulsive of a gambler as he is, that was his approach to basketball.
00:01:13.000 Yes.
00:01:13.000 So nobody could be greater.
00:01:15.000 Yes.
00:01:15.000 Same thing.
00:01:16.000 Same thing.
00:01:16.000 Exact same thing.
00:01:17.000 It's just one of them is dangerous.
00:01:19.000 One of them is dangerous.
00:01:19.000 One of them will fuck up your life and one of them will make you the goat.
00:01:21.000 Will make you the goat, but the other side of it is...
00:01:25.000 It don't turn off.
00:01:26.000 And that's the fucked up part.
00:01:28.000 That's the fucked up part.
00:01:29.000 It doesn't turn off.
00:01:30.000 Having that as a thing and then the competitiveness never turns off.
00:01:35.000 Right.
00:01:35.000 It drives you crazy.
00:01:36.000 Well, that's why Tyson didn't work out for years.
00:01:39.000 Yep.
00:01:39.000 You know, Mike did my podcast twice, and the first time he did it, Mike was, like, heavier.
00:01:44.000 He was smoking weed all the time.
00:01:46.000 Yeah.
00:01:46.000 He was so chill.
00:01:47.000 I was like, wow.
00:01:47.000 It's like...
00:01:48.000 Mike Tyson is like such a sweet guy, and then Mike Tyson signed up for the Roy Jones fight, and the next time he came in, he was 225, forearms were jacked, and he was intense, and I made a decision to make the table wider on my podcast studio, because I was so nervous being that close to him.
00:02:06.000 Really?
00:02:07.000 Yeah.
00:02:07.000 I was like, I gotta have a little, just to separate...
00:02:10.000 Like, from really intense people so I could collect my thoughts.
00:02:12.000 Yeah, he tapped back into that thing, right?
00:02:14.000 He had suppressed it.
00:02:16.000 When you saw him, he was friendly, and he was nice, and he was smoking.
00:02:19.000 Bro, he was still friendly.
00:02:20.000 He was still cool as fuck.
00:02:21.000 But this was the real Mike Tyson.
00:02:23.000 But that was the guy.
00:02:24.000 That's the guy.
00:02:24.000 Because he tapped back into that monster.
00:02:26.000 He found it.
00:02:27.000 Because you know, you gotta have the monster.
00:02:30.000 You have to.
00:02:30.000 In order to be...
00:02:32.000 A world champion in any type of combat sport, you have to have that monster.
00:02:37.000 A legit monster inside of you that doesn't really live in the real world.
00:02:42.000 Because in the real world, he doesn't work.
00:02:44.000 In the real world, if you can't put that monster away at times, You don't work in life.
00:02:50.000 You're in trouble all the time.
00:02:51.000 You're in trouble all the time.
00:02:52.000 Yeah.
00:02:53.000 Yeah.
00:02:53.000 But that same monster, if you can control that motherfucker, then you're Mike Tyson.
00:02:58.000 You're Mike Tyson.
00:02:58.000 But then that's why he would see him skirt the line, right?
00:03:01.000 Yes.
00:03:01.000 When he's talking to the reporter.
00:03:03.000 That is still one of the craziest...
00:03:06.000 Things I've ever witnessed when he was on the stage and The reporter said something and Mike started talking about if we were in jail, I would do this Oh, that's right.
00:03:16.000 Oh my god.
00:03:17.000 I'd fuck you till you love me. 1.00
00:03:18.000 I'd fuck you till you love me. 1.00
00:03:19.000 Joe!
00:03:20.000 I mean, what?!
00:03:23.000 What?
00:03:24.000 Oh my god.
00:03:25.000 But imagine that guy.
00:03:26.000 Yeah.
00:03:27.000 In that state trying to operate in the world with normal people like us.
00:03:31.000 Right.
00:03:32.000 Doesn't work.
00:03:32.000 Doesn't work.
00:03:33.000 He's in jail.
00:03:34.000 Right.
00:03:34.000 Crazy.
00:03:35.000 It's crazy because the thing that made him great could also run away like a wildfire and burn everything around him.
00:03:41.000 And everybody.
00:03:42.000 Yeah.
00:03:42.000 And when you're the man, and he was the man, then...
00:03:47.000 There's no restraints anymore, which is even crazier, because now you crash your Rolls Royce, you just give it to the cops.
00:03:54.000 Remember that?
00:03:54.000 Yeah, no matter what he did.
00:03:55.000 He said, just take my car.
00:03:56.000 I don't even want it.
00:03:56.000 No matter what he did, take the car.
00:03:59.000 I'm fine.
00:03:59.000 They hide everything.
00:04:00.000 You know, honestly, here it is right there.
00:04:03.000 That's it.
00:04:03.000 He was like, I'm like your daddy.
00:04:05.000 Let me hear this, Jamie.
00:04:06.000 Give me some volume.
00:04:07.000 Go from the beginning.
00:04:10.000 He's like breathing heavily.
00:04:11.000 Don't you mind letting straight, Jackie, you punk-ass white boy?
00:04:14.000 Come in and tell me that if I fuck you. 1.00
00:04:17.000 I mean...
00:04:19.000 Jeez.
00:04:47.000 What do you say to someone?
00:04:49.000 Matt, who is that guy?
00:04:50.000 Yeah.
00:04:51.000 Who's that guy?
00:04:52.000 Who's the reporter?
00:04:53.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:04:54.000 But what did that reporter have to say to get that?
00:04:58.000 Well, he said something that you should be in a straitjacket.
00:05:01.000 Wasn't this the one where Mike bit Lennox?
00:05:04.000 He bit Evander.
00:05:05.000 He bit Evander's ear.
00:05:07.000 Didn't somebody get bit?
00:05:08.000 That was when he was about to fight Lennox Lewis, I believe.
00:05:11.000 Wasn't there like a brawl before this?
00:05:13.000 There was a brawl.
00:05:13.000 Did someone get bit or am I imagining that?
00:05:15.000 I don't remember him getting bit.
00:05:17.000 I remember him biting Evander's ear and they got into a bit of a fight.
00:05:22.000 That was crazy.
00:05:23.000 That was crazy.
00:05:24.000 Were you there?
00:05:25.000 No, I watched it on TV. That was crazy.
00:05:28.000 That was crazy.
00:05:28.000 He bit a chunk of his ear off.
00:05:29.000 He couldn't beat him.
00:05:30.000 He couldn't beat him.
00:05:32.000 He was in a situation where he wasn't the man because he was so used to being the biggest, baddest mug in there and in a situation where he wasn't, he goes, I have to go primal.
00:05:45.000 It's all you know.
00:05:47.000 You bite him, motherfucker. 0.75
00:05:49.000 He bit that motherfucker.
00:05:52.000 Evander Holyfield has somehow forgiven him.
00:05:55.000 Evander's amazing.
00:05:56.000 Dude, I love Evander Holyfield.
00:05:57.000 How good was he?
00:05:58.000 He was the best, bro.
00:05:59.000 How good was he?
00:06:00.000 What a warrior.
00:06:02.000 What a warrior.
00:06:03.000 In those Tyson fights?
00:06:05.000 Because he had to endure.
00:06:06.000 Yeah, he did.
00:06:07.000 Tyson put it on him, and he endured.
00:06:10.000 All of them.
00:06:10.000 Remember those Riddick Bowe fights?
00:06:12.000 That's the one.
00:06:13.000 The Riddick Bowe fights.
00:06:14.000 Now we've got to think.
00:06:15.000 The Tyson fights after the Riddick Bowe fights.
00:06:17.000 Yes.
00:06:17.000 Which is even kind of crazier.
00:06:19.000 Riddick Boll was good.
00:06:20.000 Those guys were good.
00:06:21.000 Riddick Boll, Evander Holyfield.
00:06:24.000 He bit his leg.
00:06:26.000 Oh, he did bite his leg.
00:06:26.000 Tyson was forced to pay Lewis around $360,000 for biting his leg.
00:06:31.000 And the bra almost saw the mega fight canceled altogether. 1.00
00:06:34.000 Yeah, he bit his leg.
00:06:35.000 But that's the thing, right?
00:06:36.000 Like, he had to do something.
00:06:39.000 Anytime he was threatened, you know...
00:06:42.000 It's like when you're in the wild, right?
00:06:45.000 I watch a whole bunch of shit.
00:06:46.000 It's called like, one is Nature is Metal.
00:06:48.000 Oh yeah, I love that page.
00:06:50.000 That's a sick page, bro.
00:06:51.000 Nature is Metal.
00:06:52.000 It's the craziest shit.
00:06:54.000 Nature is so metal.
00:06:55.000 It is, dude.
00:06:56.000 Some of the shit you see on that page is nuts.
00:06:58.000 But you'll see a bear.
00:07:00.000 And it'll just walk around and it just fucks everybody up.
00:07:04.000 But then when there's a bear that's as big as it, it starts to question.
00:07:07.000 And it might cower down.
00:07:09.000 But in this situation, Mike Tyson's not going to cower down to Lennox Lewis.
00:07:13.000 So he bites him.
00:07:15.000 Right?
00:07:16.000 He bites him.
00:07:17.000 He probably fell down.
00:07:19.000 I'm going to tell you one thing.
00:07:20.000 And I'll tell you this right now.
00:07:21.000 When I was in that press fight with Jon Jones, I was still undefeated at the time.
00:07:27.000 And we were at the MGM Grand, and he head-butted me, like put his head on me.
00:07:31.000 So I push him.
00:07:33.000 He's an alpha male too, so the fucker attacks me.
00:07:36.000 Right.
00:07:36.000 Right?
00:07:36.000 So we get to fighting.
00:07:41.000 So we get to fighting, right?
00:07:44.000 And we're fighting, and Joe, the security guard from the UFC, falls under me.
00:07:49.000 But now I'm on my back as we go flying off the stage.
00:07:54.000 I will say there was a thought to bite the motherfucker.
00:07:58.000 What am I doing on my back?
00:08:03.000 Right?
00:08:04.000 I'm losing.
00:08:06.000 I'm going to bite the son of a bitch.
00:08:07.000 I ain't got no mouthpiece in my mouth.
00:08:09.000 And if I would have bit him, that would have been like a reaction for a guy that usually will walk around in most places around this world as the alpha.
00:08:19.000 And then when he finds himself on the bottom as the alpha, he's got to find a way to survive.
00:08:23.000 So that's what Mike Tyson would do.
00:08:25.000 He would go as primal as he could think.
00:08:28.000 How do I survive?
00:08:29.000 It was always survival with this guy.
00:08:31.000 Wow.
00:08:32.000 And if I would have bit him, you'd have been like, DC bit him, but it's not the first time we saw somebody bite a motherfucker down there.
00:08:38.000 Because Mike Tyson did it three times.
00:08:41.000 It's like it's so unfamiliar.
00:08:44.000 I told my kids the other day at wrestling practice, Joe, I said...
00:08:48.000 My whole life I feared getting pinned so much that I don't even sleep on my back to this day.
00:08:56.000 Because I don't want those fuckers laying on their back in the restroom. 1.00
00:08:59.000 I said, I fell asleep on my back one day and woke up in a full panic attack.
00:09:03.000 Jones had me on my back, man.
00:09:05.000 That shit's unfamiliar.
00:09:06.000 So if I would have did some crazy shit, that's just what would have happened.
00:09:09.000 That's what would have happened.
00:09:10.000 Because you don't go to your back.
00:09:12.000 Right?
00:09:13.000 That's hilarious that you can't sleep on your back.
00:09:15.000 You can sleep on your back?
00:09:17.000 Nah, I snore too loud when I sleep on my back.
00:09:19.000 I cannot sleep on my back.
00:09:21.000 I really have kind of trained myself to where I'm like...
00:09:25.000 I'm getting pinned.
00:09:26.000 I don't let the kids in my restroom... 0.64
00:09:28.000 That's so wild.
00:09:31.000 I don't let my kids...
00:09:32.000 When I'm talking, and if they lay back...
00:09:36.000 Get off your back.
00:09:37.000 If they're stretching, I'm like, don't stay on your back too long.
00:09:41.000 I try to trick them in their mind that their back is literally the worst place in the world.
00:09:48.000 And that's what my coach did to me.
00:09:50.000 Everything I did, get off your back, get off your back.
00:09:52.000 Then he would lock me on my fucking back.
00:09:54.000 He would get dudes lined up in high school and college and an arm triangle, which is the worst.
00:10:02.000 You can't breathe.
00:10:03.000 It's a headlock in wrestling, right?
00:10:04.000 You obviously don't go chest down, you're trying to pin him.
00:10:06.000 He would put me on my back in those situations with my fresh partners and I would have to get off my back not to get pinned.
00:10:13.000 So I just never got pinned in my whole career.
00:10:16.000 I wrestled from 10 to 30 and I... I might have got pinned like three or four times in all those years because I was just so afraid of going to my...
00:10:26.000 I just never got pinned.
00:10:27.000 Wow.
00:10:28.000 And I'm trying to implement that into my kids.
00:10:30.000 It makes sense.
00:10:31.000 Yeah.
00:10:31.000 It totally makes sense if you make it the utmost priority.
00:10:34.000 Yeah.
00:10:34.000 Because you've talked about this before that you see sometimes when guys get tired, they accept positions too easy.
00:10:40.000 And when they go to the back, they don't immediately scramble.
00:10:43.000 They don't immediately try to get an angle or an underhook or something.
00:10:46.000 You'll see them accept the position.
00:10:47.000 And then it's too late.
00:10:48.000 Yeah, it's too late.
00:10:50.000 When you're fighting or in those situations, you've got to address it now.
00:10:56.000 Or you're done.
00:10:57.000 So when we're doing commentary and we're talking about the fight and somebody gets taken down.
00:11:04.000 And a guy starts to get into the positions where I get quiet because you're better there, and you start walking through the submissions, how it's getting set up, and I'm like, oh, this dude's done.
00:11:14.000 The guy on top is waiting.
00:11:15.000 He's taking too long to address what's happening.
00:11:18.000 And the next thing you go, oh my god, triangle, right?
00:11:21.000 Because it's not just when the legs go up.
00:11:23.000 You're like, this dude's starting to develop.
00:11:24.000 He's starting to set up a triangle.
00:11:26.000 And I'm like, he is, right?
00:11:30.000 He's waiting.
00:11:30.000 You gotta always be in motion.
00:11:32.000 You gotta always be kind of thinking about the next step.
00:11:35.000 Are you screwed?
00:11:36.000 If you start accepting, you're screwed.
00:11:37.000 When you look at the guys that are really good at MMA submissions off their back, like Oliveira.
00:11:42.000 Oliveira's real good.
00:11:44.000 It's so crisp, though.
00:11:45.000 When he gets those moments, those openings, just crisp.
00:11:48.000 Yep.
00:11:49.000 Right away.
00:11:50.000 Yeah.
00:11:50.000 He finds those arm bars and triangles, and he cinches submissions up so quick.
00:11:57.000 Yeah.
00:11:58.000 So quick.
00:11:59.000 One of the quickest guys.
00:12:00.000 Does he have the most submissions in the history of the sport?
00:12:03.000 Yeah, he does.
00:12:03.000 Like 20. They're so quick, man.
00:12:06.000 The technique is so smooth.
00:12:08.000 How do you have 20 submissions?
00:12:09.000 How do you submit 20 of the most dangerous people in the world?
00:12:12.000 Dude's a beast.
00:12:13.000 I remember his first submission win in the UFC with Efrain Escudero.
00:12:17.000 Yeah.
00:12:17.000 Remember he hopped on his back?
00:12:19.000 You know that was here?
00:12:20.000 Was it here?
00:12:20.000 That was actually in Austin, I believe.
00:12:22.000 There was a guy that came into a meeting today and said, my first pro fight was in Texas.
00:12:27.000 He saw, I watched Efrain Escudero fight against Charles Olivares.
00:12:32.000 Excuse me.
00:12:32.000 But he's a beast, man.
00:12:33.000 Like, these dudes are...
00:12:36.000 The fighters today are just crazy.
00:12:38.000 They keep getting better.
00:12:40.000 It's next level every time.
00:12:43.000 Every time.
00:12:43.000 Every time.
00:12:44.000 I bet when you go back, because you do a lot of re-watching fights, when you go back to the days before, whenever I was watching as a fan, thinking...
00:12:55.000 Unbelievable to watch Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz and these guys fight it.
00:12:59.000 The way that they fought today, it's like prehistoric.
00:13:05.000 It's crazy.
00:13:06.000 The skill level.
00:13:08.000 The difference.
00:13:09.000 Oh my goodness.
00:13:10.000 It's like they're faster, they're bigger, they're stronger, they're more advanced, the techniques are better.
00:13:15.000 And it happens in every sport, right?
00:13:17.000 But in MMA now, you're seeing it.
00:13:19.000 Chuck was just like a marauder.
00:13:22.000 He was crazy, wasn't he?
00:13:23.000 He was a marauder.
00:13:24.000 I mean, the thing about Chuck was he had an iron chin.
00:13:27.000 He did.
00:13:28.000 And he was not scared to take shots.
00:13:31.000 He would just wade into the fire.
00:13:32.000 I mean, he was very skillful.
00:13:33.000 He was very skillful.
00:13:34.000 Yes.
00:13:35.000 But he was also willing to put himself in danger.
00:13:37.000 He also knew that if you hit him, he could take it.
00:13:41.000 Yeah.
00:13:41.000 But if he got to you, you were going down.
00:13:43.000 Yeah.
00:13:43.000 He had full confidence in his power.
00:13:45.000 Or it would affect you so much that you would start to kind of turn away and then you're fucked. 0.79
00:13:49.000 Then he would get you.
00:13:51.000 You remember the Babalu fight?
00:13:52.000 Dude, I swear to God, Joe, when I was in Stillwater, Oklahoma, I was on my Olympic run.
00:13:59.000 You guys were doing a few pay-per-views a year.
00:14:02.000 It wasn't every month like we do today.
00:14:04.000 Was it four, five a year?
00:14:06.000 I don't remember how many we did.
00:14:07.000 But it wasn't many.
00:14:08.000 And it became, who's Chuck Liddell beating this time?
00:14:12.000 That really was the pay-per-view.
00:14:14.000 Is he beating Babalu this time?
00:14:16.000 Is he beating Randy this time?
00:14:19.000 Who's he gonna beat this time on the pay-per-view?
00:14:22.000 Because he was massive.
00:14:24.000 He was the biggest star.
00:14:25.000 When he was going through his run as a champion, he was a motherfucker, dude.
00:14:28.000 He was a scary guy.
00:14:29.000 Fucker was in shape, too.
00:14:30.000 Very good shape.
00:14:31.000 Dude, he was in shape.
00:14:32.000 Well, Hackleman.
00:14:33.000 John Hackleman from The Pit?
00:14:34.000 Yeah, he's a psychopath.
00:14:35.000 That guy?
00:14:35.000 He's a psycho.
00:14:36.000 He's a great psycho.
00:14:37.000 I love that dude.
00:14:39.000 But that guy was one of the first guys to implement really unusual training, like wheelbarrows filled with rocks and shit, pushing them uphill.
00:14:47.000 That pit, that training center that he had in San Luis Obispo.
00:14:51.000 It looked like it was outdoor.
00:14:52.000 Yeah, the cage was outdoors.
00:14:54.000 I always looked at it like, are these guys training outside?
00:14:57.000 Hackleman's funny, man.
00:14:58.000 Yeah.
00:14:58.000 He's a fun dude.
00:14:59.000 But he just was the first to realize that like functional training.
00:15:04.000 Yep, functional training.
00:15:05.000 This kind of work, those like really hard physical work along with technique.
00:15:09.000 Yeah.
00:15:11.000 It's interesting when you go back to the pioneers how they all had to figure it out on their own.
00:15:15.000 And that's what it was.
00:15:17.000 Militich figured it out on their own. 0.96
00:15:18.000 The Lion's Den did it their way. 0.66
00:15:20.000 Yep.
00:15:20.000 And Milita's trained like a bunch of champions.
00:15:23.000 Oh, yeah.
00:15:23.000 For a while, they had like the best.
00:15:27.000 Pulver, Robbie was in that gym.
00:15:29.000 Matt Hughes was in that gym.
00:15:31.000 Tim Sylvia was in that gym.
00:15:32.000 They all were in that same gym.
00:15:34.000 Bro, the Tim Sylvia that knocked out Rico Rodriguez was a scary man.
00:15:38.000 A big dude, too.
00:15:38.000 He was jacked back then, too.
00:15:41.000 Remember how jacked he got?
00:15:42.000 Yeah, he was big.
00:15:43.000 This is pre-USADA. Remember those days?
00:15:44.000 Oh, my goodness.
00:15:45.000 Everybody was awesome.
00:15:46.000 And USADA's going again.
00:15:47.000 Yeah.
00:15:47.000 USADA's going again.
00:15:48.000 Yeah, but they're going to have a new...
00:15:49.000 But they're going to have a testing program.
00:15:51.000 Yeah, they're going to have a testing program.
00:15:52.000 It's too big now to go back to those days.
00:15:54.000 Yeah, I don't think they're going to let them use peptides, which I think is a mistake.
00:15:58.000 I always told people, I said, I fought guys on steroids early in my career.
00:16:04.000 You had to.
00:16:05.000 I honestly don't ever recall taking a test when I was in Strikeforce.
00:16:09.000 10, 11, 12...
00:16:12.000 Nope.
00:16:12.000 Drug test?
00:16:13.000 I never took anything, but I never got tested.
00:16:18.000 That's crazy.
00:16:19.000 So I was like, somebody was doing something.
00:16:20.000 Of course.
00:16:21.000 And then they suspend poor Nick Diaz for weed.
00:16:24.000 For like five years.
00:16:25.000 They can't do like a five year suspension for weed.
00:16:27.000 Listen, the best example of all time, clearly, is Aleister when he was fighting Brock.
00:16:32.000 Bro, did you see that dude?
00:16:34.000 What was that?
00:16:35.000 He was a superhero.
00:16:37.000 That was UFC. No, yeah, he fought him before even the Strikeforce.
00:16:41.000 When he was beating them dudes up in Strikeforce.
00:16:43.000 Oh, yeah, when he was beating dudes up in Strikeforce.
00:16:44.000 Oh, when he kicked Brock in the side, though.
00:16:46.000 Bro, he was so terrifying when he saw something.
00:16:50.000 Yeah, he was.
00:16:51.000 When he was, like, full Alistair Ream, 265. I know.
00:16:54.000 It's crazy.
00:16:55.000 He's a vegan now.
00:16:56.000 That's when he's, like, not eating meat anymore.
00:16:58.000 No, no meat.
00:16:59.000 That's impossible.
00:17:00.000 And he weighs, like, 190, it looks like.
00:17:02.000 Yeah, there he is.
00:17:02.000 This is Uber Ream, son.
00:17:04.000 Look at him in the dream.
00:17:06.000 Oh, my God.
00:17:07.000 Uber Ream was a motherfucker. 0.99
00:17:11.000 But it's like, that's...
00:17:13.000 I mean, you need a bunch of things to be Ubering.
00:17:16.000 Obviously, you need talent.
00:17:17.000 He was very talented.
00:17:19.000 He was really good.
00:17:19.000 He was very skillful.
00:17:20.000 Also, just tough as shit and not afraid.
00:17:23.000 I mean, that guy got KO'd a bunch of times and always fought, just always fought like a warrior.
00:17:30.000 He was a scary kickboxer.
00:17:32.000 You know what the problem with that was with Alistair, though?
00:17:35.000 You could see when he stopped.
00:17:38.000 Because he wasn't as sure of himself.
00:17:40.000 He had become so reliant on those abilities that, not even the ability, because he never lost the ability.
00:17:46.000 He had become reliable on the comfort of knowing the stuff that he had done prior would make sure he's not tired, he was more in shape, he had more muscle, and it messed with him towards the end of his career.
00:17:58.000 Of course, it had to.
00:17:59.000 It has to.
00:18:00.000 He had to know what an advantage it was having it.
00:18:02.000 Yeah.
00:18:02.000 Look, if he had come along in an era of no testing, he goes down as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.
00:18:08.000 And he still is.
00:18:09.000 I still think he is.
00:18:10.000 He still is.
00:18:10.000 Yeah, I still think he's one of the best of all time.
00:18:12.000 He's a great fighter, man.
00:18:13.000 Dude, he won everything.
00:18:15.000 Yeah.
00:18:15.000 When you win everywhere.
00:18:17.000 K-1 Grand Prix.
00:18:18.000 Yes.
00:18:19.000 I mean, that is wild.
00:18:20.000 When you win everywhere, you got skill.
00:18:23.000 You won in Elite XC, you won in Strikeforce, you won in the UFC, you won in K-1, you won in Gore.
00:18:28.000 And he hurt Stipe.
00:18:30.000 He had Stipe.
00:18:31.000 He had Stipe for a moment there.
00:18:33.000 He had him bad.
00:18:34.000 He just made a couple of errors.
00:18:37.000 You can't make no mistake against Mielcic. 1.00
00:18:39.000 He's a survivor.
00:18:39.000 He's a survivor.
00:18:40.000 Yeah, he's tough.
00:18:41.000 He's so tough.
00:18:42.000 Yeah, he's very tough.
00:18:43.000 I was very upset when the Joe and Stipe fight got canceled.
00:18:45.000 I was like, no.
00:18:47.000 We were looking forward to it.
00:18:49.000 Have you ever had an injury like that where it's torn off the bone?
00:18:52.000 No.
00:18:52.000 No, it was a very odd injury for me to watch, too, because it didn't seem like it was, like...
00:18:57.000 Like, you know, grappling, wrestling, we get extended a lot, right?
00:19:03.000 Like, so when you're going, and you're doing your jiu-jitsu, and you and I are going, and you take...
00:19:08.000 And you're in half guard, right?
00:19:10.000 Right?
00:19:11.000 Every time I go to get up, I build to my elbow, I get to my underhook, I'll take a single leg.
00:19:17.000 You'll sprawl because you got to take your leg away from me.
00:19:20.000 When I'm up on my elbow and I get to my half guard and I'm on the butt here, I will always go to a single because I'm a wrestler.
00:19:27.000 You will sprawl and then try to go back behind me.
00:19:30.000 My arm gets extended every time.
00:19:33.000 And that's kind of what happened with Jones.
00:19:34.000 It's like he was in an underhook and the guy sprawled a little bit and then his arm came away from his body.
00:19:40.000 And it ripped and it's unfortunate, but...
00:19:42.000 Do you think that...
00:19:44.000 I know John has been doing a lot of heavy lifting to get up to heavy weight.
00:19:50.000 That and the extra weight, right?
00:19:51.000 He's carrying all that extra weight.
00:19:53.000 He's lifting all that weight and it's like you got to develop muscle, but it's got to be usable muscle.
00:19:57.000 You can't just be big.
00:19:59.000 Well, the other thing is if you're not doing anything, like if you're not taking anything, then your recovery from like really heavy power lifts is kind of significant.
00:20:10.000 Didn't he lift like 600 pounds or something?
00:20:12.000 Oh my god, he's strong as fuck.
00:20:13.000 He's strong as fuck.
00:20:15.000 He looks very big now.
00:20:16.000 Like, he looks like a heavyweight.
00:20:18.000 But I just wonder, how much weightlifting do you have to do to maintain that frame?
00:20:22.000 Yeah.
00:20:22.000 Well, he was strong.
00:20:24.000 When we fought, he was strong.
00:20:26.000 Like, he was strong.
00:20:27.000 Leverage.
00:20:28.000 Great with his leverage.
00:20:29.000 Dude, the way he was able to manipulate positions...
00:20:34.000 Because I thought, without a shadow of a doubt, that...
00:20:37.000 I would take him down at will.
00:20:39.000 But it's hard.
00:20:40.000 Even if he get a takedown, it's hard against the best guys.
00:20:44.000 I picked Stipe up.
00:20:45.000 I threw him down.
00:20:46.000 Held him down for the whole first round.
00:20:48.000 And then?
00:20:50.000 He got up because we've got to start again.
00:20:52.000 So now I've got to start that process all over again.
00:20:54.000 And that's why Habib Nurmagomedov was so special.
00:20:57.000 Because it didn't matter how many times he had to restart the process.
00:21:00.000 He went right back to doing that with his opponent, knowing that he was going to throw you to the ground.
00:21:05.000 So when you're fighting guys like Jones, he's so tall, he's so rangy, and he just understood fighting.
00:21:12.000 The guy just understands fighting.
00:21:14.000 And it makes him hard to deal with.
00:21:16.000 And then, Joe...
00:21:19.000 When you get in a clinch with this dude, he's so tall that it's almost like you're holding him up if you're the shorter fighter.
00:21:28.000 He's like draping over the top of you.
00:21:30.000 And that is what fatigues you.
00:21:32.000 Because when I'm clinching, you know, I fought there a ton, like in the clinch, punch, punch, punch.
00:21:37.000 I'm trying to break your posture.
00:21:40.000 He doesn't do that.
00:21:41.000 He pushes you against the octagon and then he leans.
00:21:44.000 So now you're carrying 220 with your weight up against the octagon and then he's changing levels and he's spinning trying to elbow you.
00:21:52.000 The dude just understands fighting and understands how to maneuver his body to fatigue you.
00:21:57.000 It's crazy.
00:21:58.000 He also is the best at managing distance.
00:22:01.000 Oh gosh, it hurts so bad trying to get close to him.
00:22:04.000 I tell you that, hey, dude, it hurts so bad.
00:22:07.000 It hurts so bad.
00:22:08.000 The kicks to the body and the knees, because you know me, me and Kane were forward, forward, forward, head movement, get close, punch, punch, punch, take you down.
00:22:18.000 But with him, he was a southpaw, so his lead leg was right there, so I wanted to grab a single leg.
00:22:23.000 But this dude would be stepping back, kneeing me.
00:22:26.000 Kneeing me.
00:22:27.000 Kneeing me.
00:22:27.000 And then I'll be like, okay, so I need to stop going forward.
00:22:30.000 So now I'm at range, and he blasts body kick.
00:22:33.000 And then body kick.
00:22:34.000 So now you're like, shit, I'm not going to stay on the end of these body kicks because they hurt.
00:22:38.000 So then you get close, and he knees you.
00:22:40.000 So it's like, you're landing, and I'm hitting him.
00:22:44.000 But he's hitting me with things that may not be as big.
00:22:47.000 Like my hand overhand, right, looks big.
00:22:49.000 But that knee just goes, boom, right in the rib every time. 0.99
00:22:52.000 Boom, right in the rib. 1.00
00:22:53.000 And then every now and again, they catch you right in the middle.
00:22:56.000 That shit hurts bad, man.
00:22:58.000 I don't even know how the hell I was going through all that in that octagon.
00:23:01.000 Because now, it hurts.
00:23:04.000 It hurts.
00:23:06.000 Alex Pereira kicked my leg.
00:23:08.000 I was like, this shit hurts.
00:23:10.000 That dude has the weirdest leg kicks.
00:23:13.000 They're so sneaky.
00:23:16.000 He's so clever at it.
00:23:17.000 My cousin had the greatest analogy for Pereira.
00:23:20.000 He goes, he is Thanos.
00:23:24.000 Literally just collecting fucking stones.
00:23:27.000 Infinity stones.
00:23:29.000 He goes, I love Marvel.
00:23:32.000 He goes, it was like when Thanos showed up.
00:23:34.000 And he's just collecting infinity stones.
00:23:37.000 There's a timeline.
00:23:38.000 You know there's a bad guy, a bad guy.
00:23:40.000 And then there's this ultimate bad guy.
00:23:42.000 Who was just in some fucking bar in Brazil.
00:23:45.000 And then Izzy had to open his mouth.
00:23:51.000 Isn't that crazy?
00:23:52.000 If Izzy just shut the fuck up, he would have stayed where he was. 0.99
00:23:56.000 But it's like a delayed reaction on the kick.
00:24:00.000 But if Izzy would have just shut up, this dude would have stayed in Brazil.
00:24:05.000 That dude is so sneaky with that kick.
00:24:08.000 And if you get too close, he's gonna punch you.
00:24:10.000 Yeah.
00:24:10.000 Well, he's so long and he's also so odd in his striking movements.
00:24:16.000 He's like this tall.
00:24:17.000 He's tall.
00:24:17.000 They're very odd.
00:24:18.000 And if you get close, it's the right hand.
00:24:20.000 Even that thing he does when he's walking out and he does this little thing and he throws this combination, it doesn't look fluid.
00:24:27.000 He's like...
00:24:28.000 Boom, boom, boom.
00:24:29.000 But you know, if that dude hits you with that, you're going to sleep.
00:24:32.000 You go to sleep.
00:24:33.000 Everybody goes to sleep.
00:24:34.000 Yuri's in there dancing and shit.
00:24:35.000 Yuri's doing all kind of weird stuff, right?
00:24:38.000 And Alex is like...
00:24:40.000 Just stone-faced.
00:24:41.000 Stone-faced.
00:24:42.000 It's one of the greatest stare-downs ever.
00:24:43.000 I'm going to kill you, is what he's thinking.
00:24:48.000 Dance your weird ass. 1.00
00:24:49.000 I'm going to kill you.
00:24:51.000 Who's the guy that he scissor-kicked? 0.85
00:24:53.000 He scissor-kneed?
00:24:54.000 Mikolaitis? 0.93
00:24:54.000 Oh, my God. 0.93
00:24:55.000 Oh, my goodness.
00:24:57.000 I thought you were lying, bro.
00:25:00.000 I thought you were lying.
00:25:01.000 The whole time, Joe, I'm sitting to your right.
00:25:05.000 I'm like, man, Joe Rogan up in here lying to me.
00:25:07.000 He's telling me this dude.
00:25:08.000 This is good.
00:25:10.000 See, I'm telling you.
00:25:11.000 Because I'll be honest with you.
00:25:12.000 I had watched him a little bit.
00:25:15.000 I hadn't watched all of his kickboxing.
00:25:16.000 I was like, okay, this dude's supposed to be good.
00:25:19.000 Let me watch it a little bit.
00:25:22.000 It's kickboxing.
00:25:24.000 And you come in and you're like, DC, wait until you see this Pereira in real life.
00:25:27.000 And I'm like, okay.
00:25:29.000 He's good, DC. Might be the best kickboxer that we've ever had.
00:25:32.000 Well, Izzy's here.
00:25:33.000 You know, like, Izzy's here.
00:25:35.000 He knocked out Izzy twice, D.C., I'm telling you.
00:25:37.000 Knocked him out once.
00:25:38.000 Or knocked him out once, beat him by decision.
00:25:39.000 And I'm like, yeah, that.
00:25:41.000 And then he does that, and I look over and I go, oh my God, you were telling the truth.
00:25:45.000 Dude, he's something fierce.
00:25:47.000 I mean, this is Sean Strickland.
00:25:49.000 Yeah.
00:25:49.000 Right?
00:25:50.000 Yeah.
00:25:51.000 With a left hook.
00:25:52.000 With a left hook.
00:25:53.000 I mean, the guy who's now the middleweight champion.
00:25:55.000 Champion of the world.
00:25:55.000 Yeah, and he took him out easy.
00:25:57.000 A year.
00:25:58.000 Yeah.
00:25:58.000 He was the champ in a year.
00:26:00.000 Dude, he's got two world titles in 11 fights.
00:26:03.000 In two years.
00:26:04.000 It's insane.
00:26:04.000 He's been in the UFC. Dude, I don't know, Joe, if we had...
00:26:07.000 And he's here in Austin, so I'm going to go hang out with him later.
00:26:10.000 Nice.
00:26:11.000 I'm going to see Pereira.
00:26:12.000 That's awesome.
00:26:13.000 I love that dude.
00:26:13.000 He smiles.
00:26:14.000 Yeah.
00:26:15.000 He actually smiles.
00:26:16.000 Before, he just didn't smile.
00:26:18.000 Now he smiles.
00:26:18.000 I just don't think he wants to smile after fights or before fights.
00:26:22.000 He just wants to fight.
00:26:23.000 He stays cold.
00:26:23.000 He's there for a reason.
00:26:25.000 To just beat somebody's ass.
00:26:26.000 He was so extraordinary in kickboxing.
00:26:29.000 When I watched him in kickboxing, some dudes just have some extra gear, some extra power.
00:26:36.000 It was shocking.
00:26:37.000 He would hit guys, BOOM! And they would just like shift it up and flatline.
00:26:41.000 With 10 ounce gloves.
00:26:42.000 Fuck, man.
00:26:43.000 He's doing it to everybody.
00:26:44.000 Like literally everybody he's connecting on is going night-night.
00:26:47.000 And he does it in two different weight classes simultaneously.
00:26:53.000 I mean, when that guy was going to fight MMA, I'm like, hold on, baby.
00:26:57.000 Because this is going to be some wild shit.
00:26:59.000 This is an extraordinary dude.
00:27:01.000 And he was 3-1 when he made his debut in Madison Square Garden.
00:27:05.000 And you knew that if he was able to win a couple, he would rush them to Izzy.
00:27:09.000 And he got there and he beat him.
00:27:11.000 And I still now...
00:27:15.000 I don't know how Izzy beat that dude, man. 0.99
00:27:17.000 He caught him perfect.
00:27:18.000 He caught him.
00:27:18.000 Perfect.
00:27:19.000 If that fight would have kept going, I don't think Izzy was going to win. 1.00
00:27:21.000 He was hurting Izzy bad.
00:27:23.000 That leg was fucked up already.
00:27:25.000 It was done.
00:27:25.000 Yeah, it's crazy how good he is at that.
00:27:28.000 It takes like two or three.
00:27:29.000 He doesn't move his hips.
00:27:30.000 The way he does it is so beautiful because there's no telegraphing at all.
00:27:35.000 He just move in there and slap.
00:27:36.000 Slap. 0.80
00:27:37.000 And you got one, two in there, three, and you start seeing the welts.
00:27:42.000 Yuri had a big well on his leg.
00:27:44.000 You know what's the worst?
00:27:45.000 It's like, you train a certain way.
00:27:48.000 When I first started fighting, I would train southpaw something because it's your fast hand. 0.61
00:27:55.000 And then Kane kicked me in the face.
00:27:57.000 And I blew my nose out.
00:27:59.000 I said, I'm never fighting southpaw again.
00:28:02.000 Because you don't see stuff as well.
00:28:05.000 It's not natural.
00:28:06.000 So, I always stayed conventional.
00:28:09.000 Most do that.
00:28:11.000 But then, because you don't train in that off stance, you fight Pereira, next thing you know he's got your leg beat up, you're switching to southpaw, which is what Yuri did.
00:28:20.000 Yuri's not a southpaw.
00:28:21.000 Yuri doesn't fight southpaw.
00:28:23.000 Now you're fighting in a fight stance that's unfamiliar against one of the most dangerous men in the world.
00:28:28.000 How are you supposed to fight him?
00:28:29.000 And you have a compromised leg.
00:28:31.000 And you're compromised.
00:28:31.000 So you're not going to be able to move as quickly.
00:28:33.000 Because you're not doing it on your terms.
00:28:35.000 Yeah.
00:28:35.000 You're switching on his terms.
00:28:36.000 Yeah.
00:28:37.000 It's crazy.
00:28:38.000 And, you know, once those calves get chopped a few times, like, only they know how compromised that leg is.
00:28:45.000 It hurts.
00:28:45.000 Izzy's leg, in the first fight, he said was fucked up after the first round.
00:28:49.000 They're always on crutches and in wheelchairs. 0.97
00:28:51.000 When they're done with him, people don't see this, right?
00:28:53.000 When we're leaving the arena, these guys are either getting...
00:28:58.000 Wheeled to the post-fight press conference or will to the ambulance because their legs are so jacked up.
00:29:03.000 Yeah.
00:29:03.000 He tears their legs up.
00:29:05.000 It's bad.
00:29:06.000 Tears their legs up.
00:29:07.000 It's bad.
00:29:07.000 And he's just so efficient with it.
00:29:10.000 It's just what a hard style to emulate as a sparring partner.
00:29:14.000 Yeah.
00:29:15.000 Especially since he really still can't wrestle.
00:29:17.000 Right.
00:29:18.000 Think about all the success he's had and he still can't wrestle.
00:29:20.000 Some of these takedowns he gets taken down with is like...
00:29:23.000 He still hasn't developed to the point that a real good wrestler wouldn't try to take him down over and over again.
00:29:28.000 Right.
00:29:29.000 But you could never get there because he's not shocked.
00:29:31.000 You know what else is shocking?
00:29:34.000 He never seemed drained at 85. How was he making that weight though?
00:29:38.000 How was he making that weight?
00:29:39.000 And now when he's fighting at 205, he's seemingly more durable.
00:29:44.000 He looks the same.
00:29:46.000 Yeah.
00:29:47.000 He does not...
00:29:49.000 20 pounds lighter, he looks the same.
00:29:51.000 He does.
00:29:52.000 He really does look the same.
00:29:53.000 That's how big he was when he was fighting.
00:29:55.000 This guy had to be getting up to 215 whenever he was making 85. I think it was heavier.
00:29:59.000 In one of the fights, they said it was 226, I believe.
00:30:02.000 226 in the octagon at 185. Find out whether it was after the fight or the day of the fight.
00:30:10.000 Yeah, that was like what he was walking around at.
00:30:12.000 That's crazy.
00:30:14.000 That's so big!
00:30:15.000 It's not fair, man!
00:30:16.000 It's so crazy.
00:30:17.000 You know, that power that he has.
00:30:19.000 But I think also, I mean, you'd be the best person to ask about this.
00:30:24.000 When you see guys that cut a lot of weight, it seems like it's harder for them to take shots.
00:30:29.000 Yeah.
00:30:29.000 You know, I told that to Davis and Figueredo today.
00:30:32.000 I said, remember by the end of the Moreno trilogy, our fourth fight?
00:30:36.000 Every time Brandon hit him, it looked like it hurt him.
00:30:39.000 And Davidson was never a guy that had chin problems.
00:30:41.000 But he's going up to 135 now this weekend.
00:30:45.000 Yeah, Rob Font.
00:30:46.000 Yes, against Rob Font.
00:30:47.000 So it's like, is he going to be more durable?
00:30:50.000 Is he going to be better at taking shots now?
00:30:53.000 Right.
00:30:53.000 Because he was, I mean, TJ Dillashaw, when he went to 125, he was a shell of himself.
00:30:58.000 That was a terrifying weight cut, too.
00:31:01.000 God, he looked like dead man walking.
00:31:03.000 Yeah.
00:31:03.000 He looked like someone who was dying.
00:31:05.000 What do you think?
00:31:07.000 As a fighter, I actually liked the afternoon weigh-in better.
00:31:12.000 I liked the afternoon weigh-in opposed to the morning weigh-in.
00:31:16.000 Why is that?
00:31:17.000 More time and sleep.
00:31:19.000 Sleep.
00:31:20.000 The night before you got to sleep.
00:31:22.000 Because if you woke up at 7, 8 over, you had all day Friday to make the weight.
00:31:28.000 On fight day.
00:31:29.000 Yeah, 219 on fight day.
00:31:30.000 Come on, man.
00:31:31.000 It's 25 pounds, bro.
00:31:34.000 That's so big.
00:31:35.000 That's 25 pounds.
00:31:37.000 That's really nuts.
00:31:39.000 But again, that's because they have so much time, though.
00:31:42.000 Because if he weighs in at 11 a.m.
00:31:45.000 on Friday morning, now he's got 24 hours.
00:31:48.000 Now he's in the main event.
00:31:51.000 So this dude is not fighting for probably 35 hours after he steps on the scale.
00:31:58.000 You can gain 25 pounds in 35 hours.
00:32:00.000 I think that's 35 pounds, right?
00:32:02.000 That's 35 pounds?
00:32:04.000 35 pounds.
00:32:05.000 Yeah.
00:32:05.000 That's 35 pounds in a day.
00:32:09.000 Think about that.
00:32:10.000 35 pounds is insane.
00:32:12.000 I can't.
00:32:12.000 Think of 35 steaks.
00:32:13.000 I actually can't.
00:32:14.000 I can't.
00:32:15.000 Just think of 35 steaks stacked up.
00:32:18.000 And then you take that out of your body.
00:32:22.000 Yeah.
00:32:22.000 I mean, it would be up to here.
00:32:24.000 Yeah, 35 steaks.
00:32:26.000 Would be up to there.
00:32:27.000 That's insane.
00:32:28.000 That's 16-ounce steaks.
00:32:29.000 That's insane.
00:32:30.000 That's insane.
00:32:31.000 What do you think...
00:32:33.000 Do you think it's possible to ever come to a point where there's no weight class or there's no weight cutting at all?
00:32:38.000 There's more weight classes, more options, but people fight at their natural weight.
00:32:43.000 You see, one of the problems with that is if there are more belts, then it kind of becomes boxing a little bit.
00:32:52.000 And it could be a little watered down.
00:32:54.000 Because now you've got a champion every 10 pounds.
00:32:57.000 So you don't know if you've got the best guy as the champ.
00:33:00.000 Right now, you're pretty sure that the UFC champion is the best fighter in the world.
00:33:04.000 Anywhere between 135 to 155, 160.
00:33:09.000 You know those guys that weigh that naturally.
00:33:12.000 The guy in the UFC is the best fighter in the world.
00:33:15.000 55?
00:33:16.000 Between 55 and 85, 90, you have the best fighter.
00:33:19.000 And I'm talking lightweights.
00:33:21.000 They cut from 185, 180. To get to 155. To get to 155. So you know you're getting the best fighter of all men around those weights in that weight class.
00:33:34.000 But if you get a 65, 55, 45, 35, 25...
00:33:39.000 I don't know that it works.
00:33:40.000 I really don't know that it works.
00:33:42.000 That's interesting.
00:33:44.000 I could see your point, but there's some people that are definitely tweeners, right?
00:33:49.000 Yes.
00:33:49.000 Aljamain Sterling.
00:33:50.000 Aljamain Sterling.
00:33:50.000 He is one of them.
00:33:51.000 Yeah.
00:33:52.000 But is he, though?
00:33:53.000 Because he was the champion at 35. But killed himself to get there.
00:33:57.000 I know, but he still had endurance.
00:33:59.000 And I always felt like, if you're going to have an example of weight cutting, I always felt like Aljamain had the perfect frame for 35. Yes, he does.
00:34:05.000 Because he's so big and strong, and he manages to get there, and then he puts it right back on.
00:34:10.000 And then when you see him on fight day, you're like, my God.
00:34:13.000 Like, when you see that dude's abs and all that much, he looks like a 160-pound man.
00:34:19.000 You know why?
00:34:20.000 Why?
00:34:21.000 You know why, Joe?
00:34:21.000 You know what they've started to do?
00:34:23.000 I think it's the most dangerous thing in the world.
00:34:25.000 But you know what they've started to do?
00:34:27.000 Aljamain Sterling...
00:34:29.000 I was one of the first to tell me, but he doesn't cut all of his weight.
00:34:34.000 So with us, we would go on Thursday night, if I weighed 216 and I had to be 205 by Friday morning, I would get as low as I possibly could and then try to go to bed.
00:34:46.000 So if I'd get to 207, I would hope that by the morning I'd be 206, I'd only have to lose a pound in the morning.
00:34:53.000 So I'm dehydrated for 12, 13, 14 hours.
00:34:57.000 Those guys today are going to bed At that weight, Joe, 10, 11 over, and waking up at like 4 or 5 in the morning and cutting the weight.
00:35:07.000 Because they said if they cut all that weight, they don't sleep, which I can attest to.
00:35:11.000 It don't matter how much melatonin you take.
00:35:13.000 It doesn't matter what you do.
00:35:14.000 You're going to wake up because you're so hungry.
00:35:16.000 You're so dehydrated.
00:35:17.000 You're not going to get a good night's sleep.
00:35:19.000 They're going to bed heavier, getting up in the morning, sucking all that weight off, and they're dehydrated for only like four hours.
00:35:26.000 I think it's dangerous.
00:35:28.000 Why is it dangerous?
00:35:30.000 Because you have to cut 10 pounds in four hours.
00:35:33.000 If you don't, you're screwed.
00:35:35.000 Oh, you think it's dangerous career-wise?
00:35:37.000 I think it's dangerous because you could not make the weight.
00:35:40.000 Right.
00:35:40.000 Because you're not giving yourself any room for if anything goes sideways.
00:35:44.000 Right.
00:35:45.000 Because the worst possible feeling is when you go through your entire routine and you expect to lose eight, but you might lose six or five and a half.
00:35:54.000 And then you're like...
00:35:56.000 Now I gotta work out.
00:35:57.000 What's the cause of that?
00:35:59.000 What's the variabilities?
00:36:01.000 I don't know.
00:36:01.000 Cold room.
00:36:02.000 Did you ever work with a doctor?
00:36:05.000 No, I just...
00:36:06.000 With weight cutting?
00:36:06.000 So what I would do is, I wrestled, right?
00:36:08.000 My whole life.
00:36:09.000 So what I would do is, I would do these test cuts.
00:36:12.000 Because I was very afraid because at the Olympics, my kidneys shut down.
00:36:16.000 So I didn't get to wrestle my second Olympic Games.
00:36:19.000 So I was scared.
00:36:20.000 So I would, two weeks before the fight, or three weeks before the fight, when I first started to go to 205, I would go on a Saturday and I would just cut some weight.
00:36:28.000 I'd get to 210, 211. I'd lose nine pounds.
00:36:31.000 Okay, I know if I do this for an hour, I'll lose nine pounds.
00:36:35.000 The next weekend, do it again.
00:36:37.000 Lose nine pounds.
00:36:38.000 I know.
00:36:39.000 So then it became a thing where I knew in the right circumstances, with the right temperature in the room, I could lose nine pounds.
00:36:46.000 As long as it wasn't 65 degrees I was fine anything over 70 as most gyms are I was getting nine off so I would I had this routine I would Get up Get my body water loaded.
00:37:02.000 I would go into the sauna with just my stuff.
00:37:05.000 Put all my sweet sweat on.
00:37:08.000 Get sweating after like five minutes.
00:37:10.000 Sweat till 10. Then start putting all my clothes on in the sauna.
00:37:14.000 So I would have my socks, my shoes, my sweats, my t-shirt, my hat, my plastics.
00:37:19.000 I would put them all on in the same way every time.
00:37:22.000 Plastic pants, sweatpants, socks, shoes, long sleeve t-shirt under the plastics because I didn't like it against my body, plastic top, sweat top, hat, gloves, and everything just tucked in.
00:37:36.000 And then I would go right out of there because that would take me like 15 minutes in the sauna.
00:37:39.000 I would walk straight to the treadmill, Joe.
00:37:42.000 Then I'm on the treadmill.
00:37:43.000 I run a mile, but only at five because now my heart rate is, my heart's doing this because it's hot from the sauna.
00:37:50.000 It's like, then I'm trapping all this heat in.
00:37:53.000 I'd run for a mile, 12 minutes.
00:37:55.000 Now I'm at 27 minutes.
00:37:57.000 Then I walk.
00:37:58.000 I walk for 20 minutes on two.
00:38:01.000 If my heart rate slowed, I would put a little bit of an incline.
00:38:04.000 Go to three.
00:38:05.000 Walk for 20 minutes.
00:38:07.000 Now I'm at 47 minutes.
00:38:08.000 I get off of the treadmill, go straight to the ground where they wrap me for 13 minutes.
00:38:13.000 And in those 13 minutes, I'm hurting, Joe.
00:38:15.000 I'm hurting.
00:38:16.000 I'm laying there.
00:38:17.000 I mean, people are like rubbing me.
00:38:19.000 They're like talking to me, trying to comfort me.
00:38:21.000 But every time I took all that shit off, pool of blood.
00:38:25.000 I'm sorry, pool of water.
00:38:27.000 Nine and a half, ten pounds.
00:38:28.000 And I could tell based on my sweats.
00:38:31.000 So I'd wear gray sweats.
00:38:33.000 These gray Oklahoma State sweats.
00:38:35.000 And if it came up to my calf, mid-calf, I knew I got the weight that I wanted.
00:38:40.000 I don't know how.
00:38:41.000 I don't know how that sweat would come up on sweats.
00:38:45.000 But if it came up to my sweats on my leg and then up to my mid forearm on my arms, I knew I'd lose the weight that I needed to lose.
00:38:54.000 Wow.
00:38:55.000 So the whole time I was like, yeah, it just kind of starts right here.
00:38:59.000 And then as you're working, it just keeps creeping up your body.
00:39:01.000 And then once you made it, what was the rehydration process like?
00:39:05.000 Well, the best was before USADA when you could take IV. Right.
00:39:08.000 That was the best.
00:39:09.000 Why was that better?
00:39:11.000 Joe, it beats your stomach.
00:39:13.000 Like, the problem with rehydrating is it would mess with your stomach.
00:39:18.000 Everything you drank would make your stomach hurt.
00:39:22.000 Everything you ate would make your stomach hurt.
00:39:24.000 So...
00:39:25.000 Even if you made weight at four, you're not really eating a good meal till six because you got to get through like the cramps.
00:39:33.000 You got to get through the diarrhea.
00:39:34.000 You got to get through all this stuff that you did.
00:39:37.000 So the IV was the best because while you're doing the IV, it's going directly into the blood.
00:39:42.000 All that fluid is going right.
00:39:44.000 It's passing this.
00:39:46.000 It's just going into your body.
00:39:48.000 So while you're doing that, you start to feel better.
00:39:50.000 And I mean, the IV bag, Joe, it was like a straight line.
00:39:55.000 It wasn't the drip.
00:39:56.000 You know how it looks like it drips?
00:39:57.000 My body would just suck that water out of that bag. 0.99
00:40:02.000 My body was like sucking that water out of that bag.
00:40:04.000 It was a straight line down.
00:40:05.000 How many bags would you take?
00:40:06.000 Two.
00:40:07.000 Wow.
00:40:07.000 16 pounds of IV. Wow.
00:40:10.000 And then they took it away from me.
00:40:11.000 So then we had to start doing it another way.
00:40:12.000 And the reason why is because you could use it to mask performance enhancing drugs?
00:40:16.000 Yes.
00:40:16.000 Is that it?
00:40:17.000 That's what they say.
00:40:18.000 That's what they say.
00:40:19.000 Why don't they allow it from places that have...
00:40:22.000 Maybe there's a way to do a test before you do an IV. Yeah.
00:40:27.000 You know?
00:40:28.000 Because, like, it seems stupid to cut off the IV. To stop the IV. The IV works.
00:40:32.000 Yeah, why don't you...
00:40:33.000 What if they had, like, a thing where you had to say, hey, I'm planning on taking an IV. Will you guys come and test me before I take the IV? Yep, yep.
00:40:42.000 They can do that.
00:40:42.000 That should be easy.
00:40:43.000 That should be easy.
00:40:44.000 And then you could get your IV. Well, they're getting tested anyways.
00:40:47.000 They're getting tested constantly.
00:40:49.000 And this new organization, what is it?
00:40:52.000 Drug Free Sport?
00:40:53.000 Is that what it's called?
00:40:54.000 I don't know.
00:40:54.000 I actually don't even know which one it is.
00:40:56.000 There's a new organization, but Dana White speaks very highly of them.
00:40:59.000 Yeah.
00:41:00.000 I just wish they would allow guys to use things like BPC-157.
00:41:05.000 The peptides.
00:41:06.000 One of my buddies is really big on peptides.
00:41:08.000 He said it's helping him.
00:41:09.000 He said it's helping him a lot.
00:41:10.000 I've never tried them, but...
00:41:11.000 It can help you heal.
00:41:12.000 Guys are constantly injured.
00:41:14.000 They're constantly dealing with pulled this and yanked that.
00:41:16.000 It can help my back.
00:41:18.000 I need something to help my back.
00:41:19.000 My back is just messed up, man.
00:41:21.000 After the surgeries?
00:41:23.000 The life in wrestling.
00:41:24.000 The surgery after the Derrick Lewis fight.
00:41:27.000 You told me, you said, dude, you gotta do this.
00:41:30.000 And I went and got a regular back surgery, and I should have went and did something a little different.
00:41:37.000 Back surgery screws you.
00:41:38.000 You're done if your back goes out.
00:41:40.000 And fighting.
00:41:41.000 It's over.
00:41:42.000 Can't train the same.
00:41:44.000 No, there's been a few guys that have had discs replaced.
00:41:46.000 Yeah, that's what I did.
00:41:47.000 My back was...
00:41:48.000 Did you get it replaced?
00:41:49.000 No, no.
00:41:50.000 With a fake one?
00:41:50.000 Or did it fuse it?
00:41:51.000 Just diffuse it, yeah.
00:41:53.000 My back is just jacked over.
00:41:55.000 Like, it's so bad.
00:41:56.000 Some days I wake up, I'm like, this is crazy.
00:41:58.000 You ever see Diamond Dallas Page?
00:42:01.000 Yeah.
00:42:02.000 You see his yoga program?
00:42:03.000 I heard it's really good.
00:42:04.000 It's really good.
00:42:05.000 You've tried it?
00:42:05.000 I've done a lot of his exercises.
00:42:07.000 And he's developed it specifically for guys that are coming off of pro wrestling and their bodies all beat up.
00:42:15.000 He's taken a lot of these guys and brought them back to health.
00:42:18.000 Jake the Snake Roberts.
00:42:19.000 I saw Jake the Snake Roberts right as he was starting.
00:42:21.000 He looked bad.
00:42:23.000 And now I see him, I'm like, this dude is rejuvenating.
00:42:25.000 He's a new man.
00:42:26.000 Yeah, he's a new man.
00:42:28.000 And when Dallas came up with it, his back was fucked up.
00:42:34.000 His back is pretty bone-on-bone, but because it's so strong and he does so much yoga, He has incredible flexibility.
00:42:42.000 Wow.
00:42:42.000 He can just grab his foot and do a standing split.
00:42:45.000 Really?
00:42:45.000 Yeah, man.
00:42:46.000 He did it in front of us at the gym.
00:42:48.000 Really?
00:42:48.000 He didn't even warm up.
00:42:49.000 Dude's in his 60s.
00:42:50.000 Diamond Dallas Page.
00:42:51.000 Yeah.
00:42:52.000 DDP. I used to like him, too.
00:42:55.000 It was pretty amazing.
00:42:56.000 Yeah.
00:42:56.000 But maybe something like that.
00:42:58.000 Have you ever thought about doing that?
00:42:59.000 I need to do some yoga.
00:43:00.000 There's him right here.
00:43:01.000 Yeah, look at him.
00:43:02.000 That's crazy.
00:43:04.000 Diamond Dallas Page.
00:43:06.000 Yeah.
00:43:06.000 Because of the diamond cutter.
00:43:07.000 Look at that.
00:43:08.000 Dude, that's got to suck, right?
00:43:09.000 Like your whole life just falling on the ground.
00:43:11.000 Oh my God.
00:43:12.000 That's terrible.
00:43:13.000 Just dropping yourself backwards.
00:43:16.000 Constantly.
00:43:16.000 Everybody's doing it.
00:43:17.000 Yeah.
00:43:17.000 Flipping through the air.
00:43:19.000 He teaches classes.
00:43:20.000 Look at this.
00:43:20.000 He's teaching NFL players.
00:43:22.000 NFL players doing DDP yoga.
00:43:24.000 He would have never thought that that would work out like that.
00:43:27.000 No.
00:43:28.000 How could you?
00:43:29.000 How could you ever imagine that?
00:43:30.000 You can't.
00:43:31.000 No.
00:43:32.000 Pure luck.
00:43:33.000 Al Jermaine's story about getting his disc replaced and come back and then defending the title against Piotr Jan is pretty wild.
00:43:39.000 That's pretty wild.
00:43:40.000 That was a bad thing.
00:43:41.000 Anytime you start doing stuff with the neck.
00:43:44.000 Kevin Jackson was an Olympic gold medalist and when his neck went, he couldn't beat the best young guys because It's too damaging, right?
00:43:56.000 You're getting punched and you're getting your head pulled down.
00:43:58.000 Everything you do, you gotta have strength in your neck.
00:44:02.000 He never could do it, but for Aljo to not only come back from the surgery, but beat the guy that was...
00:44:10.000 He was dog-walking Aljo.
00:44:12.000 That first fight, he was kicking his ass.
00:44:15.000 And he came back against that same guy and beat him.
00:44:19.000 And did it in a way that...
00:44:22.000 For as much as people say...
00:44:24.000 Because people just don't like Al Jermaine, right?
00:44:25.000 Because he fell and the way that the fight ended...
00:44:28.000 He won that second fight.
00:44:30.000 He dominated in the second round.
00:44:32.000 And he won three rounds of that fight.
00:44:34.000 It's that simple.
00:44:35.000 But...
00:44:37.000 He's an impressive athlete, but he's not a dude that kind of, he doesn't really get people to really come to support him.
00:44:47.000 It's very weird.
00:44:48.000 It's a hard one.
00:44:49.000 I think it's because of the way he won the title by disqualification.
00:44:52.000 People hate that.
00:44:53.000 They said he fell down.
00:44:54.000 He got fouled.
00:44:56.000 It was a bad one, too.
00:44:57.000 It was a bad one.
00:44:58.000 It was a knee to the face on the ground.
00:45:01.000 It's a foul.
00:45:02.000 It was a foul.
00:45:02.000 Clear foul.
00:45:03.000 But is he supposed to get up?
00:45:05.000 Like, that's the thing, right?
00:45:06.000 It depends if he's concussed.
00:45:08.000 If he's concussed, he shouldn't get up.
00:45:10.000 Anthony Smith.
00:45:11.000 Yeah.
00:45:12.000 Anthony Smith.
00:45:12.000 Yeah, he could have been the champ.
00:45:13.000 Right?
00:45:14.000 Okay, so do you get up or do you kind of go, man, this shit's going sideways right now because he was down four rounds to zero.
00:45:24.000 Anthony Smith was sitting there and I don't know him.
00:45:29.000 I know him, but I don't know what was in his mind.
00:45:31.000 But there had to be a moment in there.
00:45:37.000 Right?
00:45:38.000 Where Anthony went.
00:45:41.000 Diego Sanchez did it.
00:45:42.000 Remember, Diego did it in Phoenix.
00:45:46.000 He was losing to one of the Brazilian guys, and he got fouled.
00:45:50.000 Diego's on the ground like, 29, 28, he's winning.
00:45:56.000 Yep, I'm out.
00:45:57.000 Diego's like, I'm out.
00:45:58.000 Take my dub.
00:45:59.000 I'm good.
00:45:59.000 Anthony Smith, and if he stays down, Right, Joe?
00:46:05.000 He wins the belt.
00:46:06.000 He fights Jones again.
00:46:09.000 Now, he's on the pay-per-view portion of it.
00:46:12.000 Gets paid more money.
00:46:13.000 Even if he loses that belt, he got paid pay-per-view as the champ.
00:46:19.000 Otherwise, you get told you're a beast for standing up.
00:46:22.000 Right?
00:46:23.000 But then you lose.
00:46:24.000 The UFC moved on.
00:46:26.000 Jon Jones just fought somebody else.
00:46:28.000 He could have guaranteed himself another fight.
00:46:31.000 It might seem coward, but what's the right way?
00:46:35.000 What's the right way to do that?
00:46:37.000 Because Al Jermaine did what he did.
00:46:39.000 If Aljo stays, just gets up and continues, he wouldn't have got a rematch.
00:46:44.000 He wouldn't have defended that belt three times.
00:46:46.000 He wouldn't have fought O'Malley as the champ.
00:46:48.000 He wouldn't have fought Cejudo.
00:46:50.000 He wouldn't have fought Peoria and he wouldn't have fought TJ Dillashaw.
00:46:53.000 He would have got none of that if he got up.
00:46:56.000 So while he might have gotten people to dislike him, he still lived as the champion, made a boatload of money, and he will always be remembered now as one of the better Bantamweight champs in the world.
00:47:06.000 And it's hard to compare fouls, right?
00:47:10.000 Because you don't really know how...
00:47:14.000 Only Anthony Smith knows how he felt.
00:47:17.000 And only Al Jermaine knows how he felt.
00:47:21.000 It's hard because every punch or every knee, they don't have the same impact on a person.
00:47:26.000 The one that hit Aljo looked like devastating.
00:47:29.000 And we're in the apex.
00:47:30.000 We're in the apex, too quiet.
00:47:32.000 See if you can find that.
00:47:33.000 We were in the apex, it was real quiet.
00:47:36.000 Yeah, play this.
00:47:40.000 Look at him just pressing on the head here, though.
00:47:44.000 Yeah, that was mean.
00:47:45.000 Bro, that was so bad.
00:47:47.000 That was so bad.
00:47:49.000 That's so bad.
00:47:50.000 And to the temple.
00:47:53.000 Yeah.
00:47:55.000 Oh, my God.
00:47:56.000 That's nasty.
00:47:57.000 Yeah.
00:47:58.000 It's a no-brainer in terms of belief.
00:48:02.000 Al Jermaine's going to be upset, but he's going to get a blackout.
00:48:04.000 Yeah, it's nasty.
00:48:05.000 That's a bad one.
00:48:07.000 It's a bad knee.
00:48:08.000 You can't expect a guy that probably got concussed.
00:48:11.000 Look at Anthony Smith.
00:48:12.000 Let me see Anthony's.
00:48:17.000 That's just a hand, but I mean, you know.
00:48:21.000 Now, today, under the new rules, wouldn't that be up?
00:48:26.000 No, no, no.
00:48:26.000 Any weight-bearing, weight-bearing is down.
00:48:30.000 Weight-bearing is down, but touching is not enough.
00:48:32.000 Touching is not enough.
00:48:33.000 Playing the game is not enough, right?
00:48:34.000 Like down, up, down, up, down, up.
00:48:37.000 But weight-bearing is down.
00:48:39.000 And that was definitely weight-bearing.
00:48:40.000 That's weight-bearing.
00:48:41.000 Yeah.
00:48:42.000 And watch, go back, and I want you to pause.
00:48:45.000 Not yet, not yet.
00:48:46.000 Keep going.
00:48:50.000 When it gets to Anthony's face and...
00:48:52.000 Pause.
00:48:53.000 That's when Anthony was like, you know what, man?
00:48:56.000 If I just sit here and I don't do this no more...
00:49:00.000 There's a possibility for me to get all this money and come back as the champ.
00:49:03.000 And then his pride got in the way.
00:49:07.000 And he got up there and he finished the fight.
00:49:09.000 He was down three rounds to one at that time.
00:49:11.000 And he fought.
00:49:12.000 And I thought it was a mistake because he took a legal lead.
00:49:16.000 But whatever.
00:49:16.000 It is what it is.
00:49:17.000 But I think when you look at these...
00:49:20.000 Jones got deducted a point and still won the fight comfortably.
00:49:24.000 That's how much he was ahead.
00:49:26.000 Yeah.
00:49:28.000 Two points.
00:49:30.000 He got a two-point deduction.
00:49:32.000 Boom.
00:49:34.000 And still won.
00:49:36.000 Yeah.
00:49:37.000 Crazy stuff, man.
00:49:38.000 Yeah, there's certain deductions.
00:49:41.000 Like, who knows what kind of an impact that had?
00:49:45.000 Yeah.
00:49:45.000 Did he have a concussion?
00:49:46.000 Is he too tough for his own good?
00:49:49.000 If you get a concussion from an illegal shot, what are you supposed to do?
00:49:53.000 Because now you're really vulnerable.
00:49:55.000 That's the thing.
00:49:56.000 You can get hit and you can get KO'd easier.
00:49:59.000 What's the right answer?
00:50:00.000 You're already loopy.
00:50:01.000 You know what's crazy?
00:50:02.000 It's like, I say this, but I never was on the receiving end of a bad foul.
00:50:07.000 I probably would have just kept fighting.
00:50:09.000 I mean, Stipe poked me in the third fight, and I just kept fighting, right?
00:50:13.000 It's like...
00:50:14.000 I probably would have kept fighting.
00:50:15.000 I probably would have did the same thing, which is crazy.
00:50:17.000 Because it's what fighters do.
00:50:20.000 It's got to clearly depend on how bad the shot is, though.
00:50:24.000 Because if you get fouled and knocked unconscious, and then you come back...
00:50:28.000 You're just going to get knocked out.
00:50:29.000 If you get knocked out, that's why boxing, right?
00:50:34.000 People always kind of scoff at me when I say, boxing is more dangerous than MMA. Oh, how could you say that when...
00:50:42.000 They're only boxing and they're using their hands and they jump on you and they hit you on the ground when you fall.
00:50:47.000 I said, I will argue with you that that's safer than you knocking me out.
00:50:53.000 Bang! 1.00
00:50:54.000 My body, which has been trained my whole life to get up, gets up, they count to eight or nine, and they say go back and fight more.
00:51:03.000 When I'm still concussed, you have hit me so hard that you have knocked me down to the ground.
00:51:09.000 Right?
00:51:10.000 I get up, and then you continue to punch me in the head until, one, I either fall down again and go to sleep completely, or we get to the end of the round where you come back and you punch me in the head again.
00:51:21.000 In MMA, when you get knocked down or kicked in the head or whatever the case may be, the guy jumps on you, boom, boom, fights over.
00:51:30.000 Fights over.
00:51:32.000 I don't have that recovery time to where I think my brain is okay, I go fight more, and then I get destroyed more.
00:51:40.000 I think boxing is a much more brutal sport, and I love boxing, than mixed martial arts, because of that.
00:51:46.000 Because of that 10 second count to kind of clear the cobwebs, or at least think you're clearing the cobwebs, and then go out there and fight again.
00:51:55.000 Think about it.
00:51:55.000 How fast?
00:51:57.000 In that 10 seconds, in most MMA fights, when someone gets hurt to the point that they fall, that fight's over.
00:52:03.000 Two seconds?
00:52:04.000 Three seconds?
00:52:05.000 The guy jumps on them.
00:52:06.000 If me and Stipe Miocci were fighting, right?
00:52:10.000 I knock him down.
00:52:11.000 And then I hit him with the two follow-up shots to end the fight. 0.98
00:52:14.000 I would like to see how long that sequence took.
00:52:17.000 Because if Stipe Miocic and I were fighting, and I did that to him in boxing, for as bad as he was, he would get up and I would get to hit him again.
00:52:26.000 Just like, my knockdown on Stipe was no worse than when Deontay Wilder dropped Tyson Fury.
00:52:32.000 Tyson Fury looked like a dead man walking, but because he's so tough, he sat himself up, got up and continued to fight.
00:52:39.000 That was one of the craziest recoveries ever.
00:52:42.000 How?
00:52:44.000 12th round, you look like you're out cold, and then he outboxed him for the rest of the round.
00:52:49.000 How?
00:52:49.000 But again, in MMA, fight probably would have been over, and he would have took less damage.
00:52:55.000 Right, but isn't that a better argument for letting him get up?
00:52:59.000 Because Tyson Fury got up and then figured out how to beat Deontay Wilder in the second fight.
00:53:04.000 Yes, but he figured it out and was able to beat him as they went on.
00:53:08.000 But in that fight, on that night, all it would have taken was for Wilder to land one more.
00:53:12.000 But in boxing, again, you get the hole, you get the pull in tight, there's a few seconds.
00:53:15.000 But very rarely do we see it happen like it happened for Tyson Fury.
00:53:20.000 We see it on the other side of the spectrum where they get up and they get flatlined.
00:53:24.000 Yeah, that does happen.
00:53:26.000 Because they're so good.
00:53:28.000 The boxers are so good at finding that shot.
00:53:31.000 MMA guys, we hurt you.
00:53:33.000 We go running.
00:53:34.000 We start throwing wide punches, loopy.
00:53:36.000 Them boxing dudes are like...
00:53:39.000 And they go find your chin and then you're like, just out cold.
00:53:43.000 I'm telling you, man.
00:53:44.000 I'm smart.
00:53:45.000 I'm fucking smart.
00:53:46.000 I'm telling you.
00:53:47.000 I'm telling you.
00:53:47.000 I should be the commission, bro.
00:53:49.000 We haven't talked that much about Francis and Tyson Fury.
00:53:53.000 Yeah.
00:53:53.000 Because how shocking was that?
00:53:55.000 That was crazy, dog.
00:53:56.000 It was the craziest thing.
00:53:58.000 And guess what else?
00:53:59.000 You know why?
00:54:00.000 Wow.
00:54:00.000 Because Deontay Wilder almost killed him.
00:54:02.000 He got up and he took more damage.
00:54:04.000 And his brain might be...
00:54:05.000 Tyson Fury has been hit by some of the most dangerous dudes in the world.
00:54:09.000 Yes.
00:54:10.000 And now you're getting hit by Francis?
00:54:12.000 Who might hit harder than any of them?
00:54:14.000 He might hit harder than all of them.
00:54:16.000 Dude, Francis Ngannou knocked Tyson Fury down.
00:54:19.000 And...
00:54:20.000 He's an amateur, bro.
00:54:22.000 This is his first ever professional fight.
00:54:24.000 That's what's so crazy.
00:54:25.000 You know what was so beautiful about that?
00:54:27.000 He actually countered him perfect.
00:54:29.000 He had his right hand up and he hit him with the little check left hook.
00:54:33.000 It was one of the most, I mean, shocking is an understatement.
00:54:37.000 But Francis, look at that.
00:54:39.000 His technique was beautiful.
00:54:43.000 And that's Francis' off hand.
00:54:45.000 That's not even his right hand.
00:54:48.000 Crazy.
00:54:49.000 What does that say about boxing though, Joe?
00:54:51.000 I mean, at the lineal heavyweight champion of the world and the...
00:54:56.000 The lineal UFC heavyweight champion.
00:54:58.000 Yes.
00:54:59.000 But the lineal heavyweight champion in boxing, in just a boxing match...
00:55:08.000 Francis was able to compete with him as an amateur.
00:55:12.000 Zero and zero.
00:55:12.000 Zero and zero.
00:55:14.000 He's an amateur.
00:55:15.000 What does that say about boxing?
00:55:17.000 I think it says more about Francis.
00:55:19.000 I think Francis is just a special dude.
00:55:21.000 You don't think nobody else could do that?
00:55:23.000 I don't imagine it.
00:55:24.000 No, I don't think so either.
00:55:25.000 I don't imagine it.
00:55:26.000 I think Francis is just a special dude.
00:55:29.000 Well, we did see Conor fight Floyd.
00:55:30.000 That's true.
00:55:31.000 Right?
00:55:32.000 We did see Conor.
00:55:32.000 I mean, could Sean O'Malley fight Devin Haney?
00:55:34.000 Yes.
00:55:35.000 Right?
00:55:35.000 Like he said, he could.
00:55:36.000 It could happen.
00:55:38.000 Something like that can happen.
00:55:40.000 Yeah.
00:55:40.000 100%.
00:55:41.000 But that was surprising.
00:55:42.000 That was surprising.
00:55:42.000 I thought Tyson was going to beat him up a little bit.
00:55:44.000 I really did believe Tyson Fury was going to beat him up.
00:55:47.000 I could see Sean Strickland in a high-level boxing match.
00:55:50.000 Sean Strickland's pretty good.
00:55:51.000 Did you see Sean Strickland with that gun the other day?
00:55:53.000 How crazy is he?
00:55:56.000 We were saying that karma brought that dude to Sean Strickland.
00:56:00.000 Because that dude had apparently beat up a woman and then drove drunk, crashed his car, abandoned his car, and was hiding in Sean Strickland's driveway.
00:56:10.000 Of all the driveways to get stuck in, you end up in Sean Strickland's driveway.
00:56:14.000 And then Sean's like pushing him down.
00:56:16.000 Sean's like...
00:56:17.000 This poor bastard.
00:56:18.000 Look at this guy.
00:56:20.000 And he's texting.
00:56:22.000 Yeah, he's hiding in text.
00:56:23.000 I think he's calling an Uber.
00:56:25.000 Oh my God.
00:56:27.000 Sean walks out there.
00:56:33.000 I wonder what the guy was like...
00:56:35.000 I wonder what he was thinking.
00:56:39.000 Who is this guy with the gun?
00:56:41.000 He shredded the fucking wheel of his car.
00:56:43.000 He was beating up a woman and ended up in Shawn's driveway.
00:56:49.000 That's unfortunate.
00:56:50.000 That is unfortunate.
00:56:51.000 The wrestling dude, remember the wrestling dude that was on crack and tried to break into Anthony Smith's house?
00:56:56.000 Oh yeah.
00:56:57.000 Anthony Smith just beat the shit out of him.
00:57:03.000 So crazy.
00:57:04.000 So crazy.
00:57:06.000 Yeah.
00:57:06.000 It's crazy.
00:57:07.000 Yeah, some people make some unfortunate decisions.
00:57:10.000 They just make mistakes.
00:57:12.000 We were watching a video the other day of a guy trying to break into a gun store.
00:57:17.000 Why would you break into a gun store?
00:57:19.000 That's just idiotic.
00:57:20.000 He's trying to rob a gun store.
00:57:22.000 He's got two pistols.
00:57:23.000 He moves into the gun store like this and they just gun him down.
00:57:26.000 They killed him.
00:57:27.000 Instantly.
00:57:27.000 He's an idiot.
00:57:28.000 Why would you rob a gun store?
00:57:30.000 It's drugs, though.
00:57:31.000 It has to be drugs.
00:57:32.000 You gotta be on some sort of drug or not in your right mind.
00:57:36.000 They wanted more guns and they thought this was the way to get guns.
00:57:39.000 Go rob the gun store.
00:57:40.000 Yeah, that's absurd.
00:57:41.000 I don't think they were thinking well.
00:57:43.000 No, they're not.
00:57:44.000 They're probably on drugs themselves.
00:57:45.000 This is it.
00:57:46.000 Watch this.
00:57:47.000 These guys come in.
00:57:48.000 They hold guns up.
00:57:50.000 That makes no sense.
00:57:51.000 Boom.
00:57:51.000 Oh, he's done.
00:57:52.000 That was Fez! 0.97
00:57:53.000 Yeah.
00:57:54.000 He's done!
00:57:55.000 Oh, look at this dude.
00:57:57.000 Yeah, that dude's trained.
00:57:58.000 That is crazy.
00:57:59.000 That dude's trained.
00:58:00.000 He walked in...
00:58:01.000 Yeah.
00:58:04.000 He walked in with a...
00:58:07.000 Gun to try to rob a gun store.
00:58:10.000 Yeah, this is crazy.
00:58:11.000 So the guys walk in, he hears it, draws, boom.
00:58:17.000 Yeah, the guy behind the counter here, the old man with the gray hair, he immediately reached for his piece.
00:58:27.000 He hit him hard.
00:58:28.000 He hit him right where he hit him.
00:58:29.000 Look at the guy just fall backwards.
00:58:30.000 He didn't shoot him in the leg.
00:58:32.000 He didn't shoot him.
00:58:34.000 Yeah, that's bad, man.
00:58:36.000 Some people out there making some stupid decisions.
00:58:39.000 I mean, why would you do that?
00:58:40.000 Why would you do that?
00:58:42.000 I saw a video today on Twitter, because I was in this fighter meeting, and...
00:58:48.000 I don't know they were just kind of having a conversation like they were done talking about the fight so I kind of got on my phone I start playing on Twitter and I was watching that another website I watch it's called Morbid Knowledge.
00:58:58.000 Oh dude.
00:58:59.000 What is this one?
00:59:00.000 Bro, Morbid Knowledge.
00:59:02.000 It's crazy bro.
00:59:03.000 I'm fucked up Joe like I get bored and it just popped up on my Twitter and there were two airplanes they were these people were like jumping out of the plane the planes crashed You can hear somebody go, oh no!
00:59:16.000 And then they fall off the wing, but they're all wearing parachutes because they were going to go and jump.
00:59:25.000 But I mean, these two planes came together and then hearing a person go, oh no, was crazy.
00:59:31.000 But morbid knowledge is nuts.
00:59:33.000 It's like, it says like...
00:59:35.000 It'll show like an x-ray of a person that might have gotten into a bad accident or something.
00:59:41.000 It showed a picture one time, Joe, of a person whose body, they x-rayed the body when they had been hit by a train.
00:59:48.000 Dude, it was crazy.
00:59:49.000 The rib cage and everything, Joe, it was crazy.
00:59:53.000 I don't know where it popped up on my thing, but once I saw it, I was like, oh man.
00:59:58.000 Dude, they got a guy.
00:59:59.000 They had a guy back in like the 30s.
01:00:02.000 Bro, he was a big cat hunter.
01:00:03.000 That was a bad son of a gun.
01:00:05.000 And he was hunting with those old school guns.
01:00:07.000 You know those old school guns where, dude, this dude, they had like a fucking lion or a cheetah was just killing people in this village in Africa or in England.
01:00:18.000 I mean, it was killing.
01:00:20.000 It was a man-eater. 0.96
01:00:21.000 It's called the man-eater of something.
01:00:23.000 So this guy would hunt.
01:00:24.000 They brought this old dude from Europe down there to track this animal.
01:00:28.000 This dude tracked this animal between three different cities in this area and finally got that son of a gun because he shot it and it was trying to attack him to kill him.
01:00:39.000 He was running out of bullets.
01:00:40.000 It sounded like a movie, but it had his whole story.
01:00:43.000 Morbid knowledge, I'm telling you.
01:00:44.000 Go listen to it.
01:00:45.000 Like, look at it.
01:00:46.000 Some of it's kind of gross.
01:00:47.000 But some of it's pretty intriguing.
01:00:49.000 Isn't that one, what that movie was based on, The Ghost in the Darkness?
01:00:53.000 Oh my god, did you see that?
01:00:54.000 That's a great movie.
01:00:55.000 What a crazy movie.
01:00:56.000 That's a great movie, man.
01:00:57.000 There's nothing scarier than lions hunting people.
01:00:59.000 Oh my god.
01:01:00.000 Just a lion waiting for you.
01:01:02.000 I watch them even if they're a little bit corny because I'm like, oh this is crazy.
01:01:06.000 That's what it was called.
01:01:08.000 That's the exact movie, it's based on it.
01:01:10.000 Val Kilmer and Michael Douglas, right?
01:01:12.000 Yeah, it's based on that guy's story.
01:01:15.000 Yeah, but dude like you watch like these Like there's some of these sites like Like that other one that I said nature's metal.
01:01:23.000 Mm-hmm.
01:01:23.000 It'll show an eagle just floating And it'll just fucking swoop down and grab some shit.
01:01:30.000 And it don't matter what it is.
01:01:32.000 If that eagle decides that it wants to eat that thing, it's gonna take it.
01:01:36.000 Dog, pig, squirrel, and it just rips it apart.
01:01:41.000 Eagles are like so sick in terms of an animal.
01:01:45.000 They fly above you, they decide what they're gonna take, and they just take it.
01:01:49.000 And they pull salmon out of the river.
01:01:51.000 They pull salmon out of the river.
01:01:52.000 How do they see it?
01:01:53.000 They see the reflection.
01:01:55.000 They just dive in there.
01:01:55.000 Catch the little body of the challenge.
01:01:57.000 And they just pull them up.
01:01:58.000 Yeah.
01:01:59.000 And they just rip you apart.
01:02:00.000 It's a weird animal to have as our national animal.
01:02:04.000 Because it's a ruthless raptor.
01:02:06.000 It's a ruthless.
01:02:06.000 It's a killer.
01:02:07.000 It's a killer.
01:02:08.000 But it looks majestic.
01:02:09.000 Oh, it does.
01:02:10.000 Oh, it looks so good.
01:02:11.000 I'm like, dude.
01:02:12.000 But it fucks you up.
01:02:13.000 Have you ever seen harpy eagles?
01:02:15.000 No, what is that?
01:02:16.000 Harpy eagles live in South America and they eat sloths and monkeys.
01:02:21.000 Really?
01:02:22.000 They're fucking giant.
01:02:24.000 They're big?
01:02:24.000 They're huge.
01:02:26.000 See if you can find them.
01:02:28.000 What is it called?
01:02:29.000 I think it's called a harpy eagle.
01:02:30.000 Harpy eagle?
01:02:30.000 Am I saying it wrong?
01:02:32.000 It is, right?
01:02:33.000 It's this giant white-looking eagle that there's all these videos of them swooping down and snatching these sloths.
01:02:39.000 Because these poor sloths, they can't fucking... 1.00
01:02:42.000 Look at this motherfucker. 0.95
01:02:42.000 Oh, look at this thing. 0.95
01:02:44.000 Look at his face.
01:02:44.000 He's got crazy feathers on his head.
01:02:48.000 Look at those talons.
01:02:49.000 Yeah.
01:02:50.000 See if there's any...
01:02:51.000 Yeah, that's what they look like.
01:02:52.000 God, that thing's huge.
01:02:53.000 See if there's any footage of them snatching somebody.
01:02:56.000 That's all this video is.
01:02:57.000 Yeah, oh, there it is.
01:02:58.000 Because that's all they do.
01:02:59.000 Look at the sloth.
01:02:59.000 They swoop in and snatch sloths.
01:03:03.000 Oh my god.
01:03:04.000 What a fucking mismatch.
01:03:07.000 It's called Death From Above.
01:03:10.000 I saw a video on Twitter of an eagle carrying a squirrel and it drops it and it swoops down and catches it.
01:03:17.000 In the air before it fell?
01:03:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:03:19.000 It was sick.
01:03:19.000 I'm trying to find it right now.
01:03:21.000 Dude, I'm telling you.
01:03:22.000 I watch crazy.
01:03:23.000 I watch stuff like that.
01:03:24.000 Because, I mean, you know, when you're just sitting around and...
01:03:27.000 You know, when you finally get a moment, right, and you grab your phone, some weird shit pops up there, and then you're just stuck.
01:03:33.000 Yeah.
01:03:33.000 The next thing you know, you've passed 30 minutes watching just crazy-ass videos.
01:03:36.000 Watching eagle videos.
01:03:37.000 Eagle videos.
01:03:38.000 Lions.
01:03:39.000 Like tigers.
01:03:39.000 Have you ever seen the videos of the eagles taking the sheep and throwing them off the cliffs?
01:03:43.000 No!
01:03:44.000 Yeah.
01:03:44.000 Throw them off the cliff to kill them and then go eat them.
01:03:47.000 Yeah.
01:03:47.000 They take goats.
01:03:48.000 Please show me that.
01:03:49.000 They take goats.
01:03:50.000 They take sheep.
01:03:51.000 They can pick up a goat.
01:03:52.000 Yeah, they just pick you up enough to throw you over the edge.
01:03:54.000 Oh my goodness, please show me that.
01:03:56.000 I want to see that bad.
01:03:58.000 Oh, there they go right there.
01:03:59.000 They do ruthless shit, man.
01:04:02.000 They grab them and throw them off the cliff.
01:04:05.000 I mean, how much thinking does that involve?
01:04:07.000 That's one of the things that I was...
01:04:10.000 about animals, right?
01:04:12.000 They get them, look at this.
01:04:14.000 Oh my gosh.
01:04:15.000 They just drag them down and then just drop them.
01:04:17.000 He's carrying this one.
01:04:19.000 Oh, wow.
01:04:20.000 God, that's so strong.
01:04:22.000 That's insane.
01:04:24.000 That's so strong.
01:04:25.000 That's insane.
01:04:26.000 They're running.
01:04:27.000 These goats are running because they know, like, hey, death is coming from above.
01:04:31.000 He flew with that baby goat.
01:04:34.000 Can you believe that?
01:04:35.000 How heavy is that?
01:04:36.000 That eagle probably only weighs like 10 pounds.
01:04:39.000 No, I know.
01:04:39.000 How much do they weigh?
01:04:41.000 I don't think they weigh much, man.
01:04:43.000 Look at this.
01:04:43.000 Just jacks this goat.
01:04:45.000 Like, come here, bitch. 1.00
01:04:46.000 Look how much bigger the goat is than him.
01:04:48.000 Oh, that goat's done.
01:04:49.000 He's just dragging him down the hill.
01:04:51.000 Wait, look at the other ones trying to help.
01:04:53.000 Yeah, isn't that nuts?
01:04:54.000 Oh, yeah, but...
01:04:55.000 Look at the ride he's on.
01:04:56.000 He won't let go.
01:04:57.000 He's, like, surfing.
01:04:58.000 But even that, right?
01:05:00.000 Like, when I see these animals on the side of the hill, I know you hunt.
01:05:04.000 Oh, he's done.
01:05:05.000 He didn't crash them into the...
01:05:06.000 Also, how's that eagle not fucked up? 0.77
01:05:08.000 The eagle doesn't even have a broken wing.
01:05:11.000 Look, he's still on him.
01:05:13.000 He's like, fuck you, I ain't letting go.
01:05:14.000 Jeez.
01:05:15.000 He's like, I'm gonna get you, bitch. 1.00
01:05:17.000 I mean, this is like the wildest bull riding ever.
01:05:20.000 This is crazy.
01:05:21.000 I mean, but whatever that is under him is going crazy, flipping, turning.
01:05:25.000 Look at that.
01:05:26.000 He's just bouncing off the rocks and he won't let go.
01:05:29.000 I think the goat wins this one.
01:05:31.000 No way.
01:05:32.000 He got away from it.
01:05:33.000 That eagle's jacked.
01:05:34.000 That eagle's dead.
01:05:36.000 That eagle's dead.
01:05:37.000 Is that the end of it?
01:05:38.000 Oh yeah, that eagle's dead.
01:05:39.000 Wow.
01:05:40.000 Yeah, he took on the wrong challenge there.
01:05:41.000 He fucked up.
01:05:42.000 I bet he's done it before though.
01:05:44.000 He's done it before.
01:05:45.000 That's not like the first time he grabbed a goat.
01:05:46.000 You don't make that type of mistake unless you've done it before and it's worked.
01:05:49.000 Yeah, that looked like a lot of broken bones.
01:05:52.000 A lot of broken bones for that eagle.
01:05:57.000 Hell, man.
01:05:58.000 We're so lucky we don't live in that world.
01:05:59.000 In that world.
01:06:01.000 This eagle almost takes a little girl.
01:06:03.000 Oh, I've seen that before.
01:06:04.000 Oh, my goodness, no.
01:06:04.000 Yeah, that's crazy.
01:06:05.000 It tried to take the kid?
01:06:06.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:06:07.000 So what happened?
01:06:08.000 Someone comes to help.
01:06:09.000 I mean, it looks like it was his eagle because he's got the falconers.
01:06:12.000 Yeah, he dressed like that.
01:06:16.000 The eagle tried to take the kid.
01:06:19.000 Oh, my God.
01:06:20.000 Imagine that kid's fucking horror.
01:06:23.000 Where is this, though?
01:06:24.000 Oh, the kid's bleeding.
01:06:27.000 Kyrgyzstan?
01:06:28.000 Oh, Jesus.
01:06:28.000 Oh, yeah, you see?
01:06:29.000 That's the problem.
01:06:32.000 That's the problem.
01:06:33.000 Those tough people over there, man.
01:06:35.000 Yeah, that's some tough people, man.
01:06:36.000 How crazy has it been watching all these dudes from Dagestan just invade MMA and dominate? 0.99
01:06:42.000 I knew it.
01:06:42.000 I knew it.
01:06:43.000 Because in wrestling, they've been around.
01:06:45.000 I was like...
01:06:47.000 When I was about to start fighting and when I started fighting, I said, man, when these Russian dudes from these regions start to come, it's going to be a problem. 1.00
01:06:55.000 Because you know how good they were as wrestlers, right?
01:07:00.000 What's going to happen when these guys come into fighting?
01:07:03.000 And it's the same thing.
01:07:05.000 You know, we were talking in the back about Alexander Karelin.
01:07:08.000 I looked at that picture and I go, hey, that was a bad dude.
01:07:11.000 Just a monster.
01:07:13.000 A monster.
01:07:15.000 And there have been many of them.
01:07:18.000 All these great Russian athletes that are just crazy.
01:07:23.000 There was one guy that beat me in the Olympics in my finals.
01:07:26.000 His name was Hajimurat Gutsalov.
01:07:28.000 We're lucky that son of a bitch didn't fight.
01:07:30.000 Because he would have beat everybody.
01:07:31.000 And John Jones included.
01:07:32.000 Every one of them would have got their ass up by that dude.
01:07:34.000 Really?
01:07:35.000 He was good, bro.
01:07:37.000 He wrestled me.
01:07:39.000 At the Olympic Games, and he beat all of us, though.
01:07:42.000 He beat me.
01:07:43.000 He beat Kel Sanderson.
01:07:44.000 He beat Kyle Snyder.
01:07:46.000 He beat all the best Americans for a long time.
01:07:48.000 He wrestled from my Olympic cycle all the way to Kyle Snyder, who won the 2020 Olympic Games.
01:07:55.000 That guy beat him.
01:07:57.000 This dude was so fast.
01:07:59.000 He was so good.
01:08:00.000 I brought him in to train with me for John Jones.
01:08:04.000 My strength coach told me he would try to break him.
01:08:08.000 He said, I would try to break this guy.
01:08:13.000 He goes, I would give him all of my workouts.
01:08:15.000 He goes, and then I would add, just to try to see how far he would go.
01:08:19.000 He said, no matter what I did, he never stopped, he never got tired, and he goes, he always wanted to do more.
01:08:27.000 He never questioned anything.
01:08:28.000 And that dude, that's why the dude was like a six-time world champion, Olympic champion, everything.
01:08:32.000 He was the best, man.
01:08:33.000 And we're just lucky he didn't fight, because all of us would have no accomplishments.
01:08:37.000 Did you video this dude?
01:08:39.000 His name is Gatsalov.
01:08:40.000 G-A-T-S-A-L-O-V. He was good, man. 0.57
01:08:44.000 He was so fast.
01:08:46.000 He was so strong.
01:08:47.000 His motion, his movement.
01:08:50.000 These dudes were...
01:08:51.000 I knew that if guys like that started fighting, they would be a problem.
01:08:56.000 And that's exactly what they've become.
01:08:58.000 I mean, look at him.
01:09:00.000 This is the guy right here.
01:09:01.000 It's him.
01:09:01.000 We were training.
01:09:02.000 This dude would just hit me with all kinds of stuff.
01:09:04.000 I actually, like...
01:09:06.000 And we're sweating, too.
01:09:10.000 He just never stopped, bro.
01:09:12.000 The guy was just tremendous in everything he did.
01:09:16.000 So I would have to set my mind every day going into the room like I was about to wrestle in the Olympic Games because I knew how hard it would be to try to go with this cat.
01:09:25.000 Then he would be beating on these dudes in MMA. He'd take against the wall like it was impossible to take him down.
01:09:35.000 But look at this though, Joe.
01:09:37.000 Everybody would just watch.
01:09:40.000 Dude taking me down.
01:09:43.000 He got the UFC cameras.
01:09:45.000 I'm like, yo, cut that, cut that, cut that.
01:09:47.000 I'm like, cut it, cut it.
01:09:48.000 This is some wild scrambles.
01:09:49.000 Oh, you got him?
01:09:50.000 I got one, but that was like, that's probably the only one I got for a month.
01:09:56.000 And then at times I thought he might be letting me.
01:09:58.000 I'm like, yo, are you letting me score, man?
01:10:00.000 Because I wrestled you in competitions and I ain't never scored.
01:10:04.000 But I mean, he was just too good, Joe.
01:10:06.000 I mean, he beat me in the Olympics in my finals.
01:10:09.000 He beat...
01:10:10.000 Everybody.
01:10:11.000 Did you ever talk to him about his interest in MMA? I asked him.
01:10:15.000 He was like, I don't really want...
01:10:16.000 I want to wrestle.
01:10:17.000 And now, he's the head of the Russian Wrestling Federation.
01:10:21.000 He's the coach now.
01:10:23.000 So...
01:10:23.000 I said...
01:10:25.000 Dude...
01:10:26.000 Sometimes I'm embarrassed to say some of the shit I do, but...
01:10:30.000 My kids on my wrestling team...
01:10:33.000 This team now has all my youth club kids.
01:10:38.000 They all...
01:10:41.000 Wrestled for me in middle school.
01:10:43.000 When they were 7th and 8th grade, they were doing their homeschool year.
01:10:47.000 So reclassifying is a big thing in sports now.
01:10:50.000 Where if you and I are supposed to graduate in 1998, we will reclassify to graduate in 1999. Bro, I took those kids when they were in 7th and 8th grade, and I sent them to Dagestan for a month.
01:11:03.000 Whoa.
01:11:04.000 They took all of their schoolwork, and they went to Dagestan and Moscow for a month.
01:11:09.000 Wow.
01:11:10.000 Like eight or nine kids with two parents.
01:11:13.000 Wow.
01:11:13.000 I sent them to Russia, bro.
01:11:15.000 That's crazy.
01:11:16.000 The fact that their parents actually listened to me is crazy.
01:11:19.000 Because they're like, yo, you're out of your mind.
01:11:20.000 We're not sending our 13-year-old kids to Russia.
01:11:23.000 They sent them, bro.
01:11:24.000 We put them in some big jackets.
01:11:25.000 And I said, hey, I know if we want to be the best, they got to be by these guys.
01:11:30.000 And so we sent them.
01:11:31.000 And Khabib had them in his gym every day.
01:11:35.000 He bought, and Habib is a great guy, right?
01:11:38.000 He bought hotels for him.
01:11:40.000 He'd feed him.
01:11:41.000 He said, just get him here.
01:11:43.000 And dude, they trained for a month.
01:11:47.000 They told me, they said, coach, we practice with you.
01:11:50.000 He goes in Dagestan, it's training.
01:11:53.000 Because it's in the morning, it's in the midday, and it's in the evening.
01:11:58.000 You're training all day.
01:12:00.000 Long practices.
01:12:01.000 He said that these kids told me, Joe, that they do about 30 minutes of gymnastics before they start practice.
01:12:08.000 Gymnastics.
01:12:10.000 For the flexibility and body discipline and body control and everything.
01:12:15.000 So they're flipping and doing all kinds of stuff before they ever got to wrestling.
01:12:20.000 They're operating at a different level, man.
01:12:22.000 That's why you see Mahachev, like, being who he is.
01:12:25.000 Mahachev is crazy.
01:12:27.000 Bro, the way he adjusted to Volkanovski in the second fight was pretty special.
01:12:33.000 Yeah.
01:12:34.000 Like, the use of that left leg, left leg to the body, and then the high kick.
01:12:39.000 The way he sets that up, man, all the possible endings to that fight that you could have seen.
01:12:45.000 Never thought that.
01:12:46.000 Never thought, like, high kick KO. Crazy.
01:12:49.000 And we thought when we saw Habib, right, that was the complete version of a Russian fighter.
01:12:55.000 They see Islam and he possesses all those same skills with the striking. 0.74
01:12:59.000 With the striking.
01:13:00.000 So what about the next one?
01:13:02.000 What about the next one?
01:13:03.000 Because there's gonna be another one.
01:13:05.000 Yeah.
01:13:05.000 What about the next guy?
01:13:07.000 Right.
01:13:07.000 Right?
01:13:07.000 It's like, they're just getting better and better.
01:13:10.000 Now that they know that these guys from that region are, like, if you're a kid and you're growing up in that region, now you know, oh, I can follow that same path.
01:13:20.000 I can do MMA, right?
01:13:21.000 It doesn't have to just be wrestling or they do sambal.
01:13:26.000 Yeah.
01:13:26.000 Which is...
01:13:28.000 As perfect a base for mixed martial arts as you can find.
01:13:31.000 Yeah.
01:13:31.000 Because they're punching and kicking each other and stuff already and grappling and doing everything.
01:13:35.000 It's a very good base.
01:13:37.000 It's a little weird that they're wearing their jacket.
01:13:39.000 They're wearing the gi top.
01:13:42.000 Shorts.
01:13:42.000 Shorts.
01:13:42.000 And shoes.
01:13:43.000 At least they're...
01:13:44.000 Some of them don't.
01:13:45.000 You and I agree.
01:13:46.000 Wrestling is the foundation.
01:13:48.000 Yes.
01:13:48.000 Because of the training and everything else.
01:13:52.000 But...
01:13:53.000 In terms of what closest with the kind of striking or at least the plane of the striking ensemble, that's as good in terms of preparing you for mixed martial arts.
01:14:04.000 Yes.
01:14:04.000 Yeah.
01:14:05.000 Yeah, definitely.
01:14:05.000 It's awesome.
01:14:06.000 I got that little rant you go on about wrestling.
01:14:09.000 That plays daily in my school.
01:14:10.000 Oh, really?
01:14:11.000 Yeah.
01:14:12.000 They love that.
01:14:13.000 The kids love that.
01:14:13.000 Oh, that's awesome.
01:14:13.000 Because that's the truth.
01:14:14.000 It's the truth.
01:14:15.000 If you want to build a strong foundation, even just as a human being, wrestling is where you figure out how tough you are.
01:14:22.000 How much you can push, how much you can deal with discomfort.
01:14:26.000 No one trains harder than wrestlers.
01:14:28.000 I think everybody should wrestle and I think everybody should have some sort of fight in their life.
01:14:33.000 One.
01:14:34.000 Some sort of fight.
01:14:35.000 It could be in a gym, a sparring match.
01:14:37.000 I'm talking a fight.
01:14:39.000 It could be sparring.
01:14:40.000 I think every human being, if they do themselves justice, has some sort of interaction against another human being where it's a bit of a fight.
01:14:49.000 You have to.
01:14:50.000 I think once you do that, You can do anything.
01:14:53.000 Because then you're not afraid.
01:14:55.000 You cannot be afraid, man.
01:14:57.000 My biggest thing to my kids is you cannot be afraid.
01:15:01.000 Because people smell that shit on you.
01:15:03.000 If you're afraid, people smell that shit on you and they treat you a certain way.
01:15:07.000 You cannot be afraid.
01:15:08.000 I think everybody should have at least one sort of...
01:15:12.000 Whether it's sparring, whether it's an exhibition fight, whether it's a high-intensity jujitsu match, whether it's a high-intensity wrestling match, I think you should have some sort of competition in your life that pits you against another individual.
01:15:27.000 I think we all need it.
01:15:30.000 Imagine if we had that as like mandatory service in the country.
01:15:33.000 Yeah.
01:15:34.000 We'd be stronger as a country.
01:15:36.000 But imagine if like, you know how Xi Jinping is trying to make China more manly?
01:15:41.000 What's he doing?
01:15:42.000 No, I haven't.
01:15:42.000 I don't know.
01:15:42.000 They're trying to promote more manliness in China.
01:15:46.000 If someone tried to do that in America and they said, well, the way we're going to implement this is we're going to have mandatory combat sports participation for all males.
01:15:56.000 At some point in your life.
01:15:57.000 At some point in your life, you'd do that.
01:15:59.000 Could you imagine if they did that?
01:16:01.000 Hey, I'm telling you, we'd be better for it.
01:16:04.000 I think we would.
01:16:05.000 We would be better for it.
01:16:06.000 I think we would.
01:16:08.000 Let's see this.
01:16:09.000 Two years ago, the country censors began to blur earnings and colored hair on male celebrities.
01:16:16.000 Oh, earrings, sorry.
01:16:17.000 Earrings and colored hair on male celebrities appearing on television.
01:16:20.000 Earlier this year, the education ministry announced a plan to cultivate masculinity in schoolboys, including hiring more gym teachers and promoting sports.
01:16:30.000 But it says after America, right?
01:16:32.000 So America must be trying to...
01:16:35.000 It's China's turn to worry about masculinity. 0.99
01:16:37.000 So they're saying that our country is...
01:16:39.000 Click on that.
01:16:40.000 Right?
01:16:40.000 Click on that.
01:16:41.000 What is that saying?
01:16:43.000 It's a strange thing to say.
01:16:45.000 After America, right? 0.65
01:16:47.000 Have you followed the disastrous denouement of America's two-decade occupation in Afghanistan?
01:16:55.000 Is that the word?
01:16:56.000 Did I say that word right?
01:16:57.000 No idea what that is.
01:16:58.000 I don't know what that word is.
01:16:59.000 Have you wondered why the world's only superpower has an affliction for distant wars?
01:17:04.000 What is it that compels it to drag its military halfway across the world?
01:17:09.000 What is the origin of its interventionalist instincts?
01:17:13.000 What is he saying here?
01:17:15.000 I'm reading a lot into this.
01:17:18.000 But it's saying that, it's saying, look, in his scheme of things.
01:17:23.000 Okay, here it is.
01:17:24.000 It's about Roosevelt.
01:17:26.000 In Roosevelt's scheme of things, imperialism was a necessary manly duty that American men needed to take up or risk letting the reins of global power be seized by a more manful race. 0.75
01:17:37.000 Sickly and asthmatic in his childhood, Roosevelt I'd continued to endure attacks on his manliness into his youth as he started out in politics, with newspapers lampooning his high-pitched voice and dandy clothes.
01:17:50.000 Oh yeah, dandy clothes.
01:17:52.000 For the exquisite Mr. Roosevelt, forceful public exhortions to wage foreign wars was an exercise in radical image makeover.
01:18:03.000 Oh, interesting.
01:18:04.000 So they were saying they were picking on his manliness, so he decided to go wage wars.
01:18:09.000 Yes.
01:18:10.000 They bullied him.
01:18:11.000 They bullied him, right?
01:18:13.000 But you know what stops bullying?
01:18:15.000 You know what stops bullying?
01:18:17.000 You knowing how to defend yourself, right?
01:18:20.000 And that's why, I mean, the Chinese, they said they're not showing colored hair or earrings anymore.
01:18:25.000 But if we are all...
01:18:30.000 Forced to wrestle or do jujitsu or do boxing, at least early in our lives, you develop that foundation for strength.
01:18:40.000 You develop that foundation for standing up for yourself.
01:18:44.000 You develop the foundation for not just accepting things that shouldn't happen.
01:18:50.000 It really is.
01:18:51.000 I think everybody should have it, man.
01:18:53.000 I think it's so good for you to have that experience where you stare across from another human being and you know that it will be on you with no weapons to go out and win.
01:19:04.000 Whether it's pinning them, whether it's submitting them, whether in a boxing, it's out pointing them in a boxing fight.
01:19:10.000 I think that we should all have some sort of competition with another human being.
01:19:15.000 I think it was real good for me.
01:19:17.000 I think it's real good for a lot of people.
01:19:19.000 I don't want to say that everybody should do it, but most people should do it.
01:19:22.000 Think about it, Kojo.
01:19:23.000 Where would it hurt?
01:19:24.000 Where would it hurt?
01:19:25.000 Tell me what it would hurt for someone to do a jiu-jitsu match.
01:19:28.000 Or a wrestling match.
01:19:30.000 You could get injured.
01:19:31.000 I'm talking you do it young, though.
01:19:33.000 Yeah.
01:19:34.000 If you wait until you're, like, my age, and then, oh, maybe we get hurt.
01:19:38.000 But young.
01:19:39.000 If you're in elementary school, it's like, okay, for a month you gotta do wrestling.
01:19:43.000 Mm-hmm.
01:19:44.000 I think that was one of the things.
01:19:50.000 In school, most schools don't even have wrestling anymore.
01:19:53.000 Is that true?
01:19:54.000 Yeah, a lot of teams don't have teams.
01:19:58.000 Let's have jujitsu in schools.
01:20:01.000 Let's have these things in schools.
01:20:03.000 I've said this many times.
01:20:04.000 I think that would stop bullying.
01:20:06.000 I think we put these in schools and just give these kids a month.
01:20:09.000 Let me say it wouldn't stop bullying.
01:20:11.000 I think it would significantly reduce episodes of bullying.
01:20:15.000 And I think if we did jujitsu and those sports in school, even for young girls, they're safer.
01:20:21.000 Yes.
01:20:22.000 Right?
01:20:22.000 They understand how to defend themselves.
01:20:25.000 I think it's so important.
01:20:28.000 100%.
01:20:28.000 Yeah.
01:20:29.000 Yes.
01:20:29.000 Everyone should know something about how to defend themselves.
01:20:31.000 Everybody should know something about combat.
01:20:33.000 Because you're not always going to have the ability to get to something to help you.
01:20:37.000 Exactly.
01:20:37.000 You got to be able to do it with your hands and with your feet and everything else.
01:20:40.000 And it's just a better thing to have and not need than to need and not have.
01:20:44.000 Yes.
01:20:45.000 Could you imagine not having...
01:20:49.000 I walk around the world unafraid.
01:20:52.000 How comforting is that?
01:20:53.000 To be able to know that no security, no anything, if push came to shove, you could at least defend yourself enough to be safe and your family.
01:21:03.000 You could take care of them enough to be safe because of the skills that you've attained over the course of your life.
01:21:09.000 That's comforting.
01:21:10.000 Yeah.
01:21:10.000 To be able to walk around the world like that.
01:21:12.000 You watch those Instagram videos, the same ones I watch of dudes who have no idea what the fuck they're doing and they get in these crazy brawls.
01:21:18.000 Dude, it's crazy.
01:21:19.000 They have no skill at all.
01:21:20.000 They hurt themselves.
01:21:21.000 Swinging wild at each other and you're like, my God, if someone knew how to fight, you would be so fucked.
01:21:26.000 Yeah, you're done.
01:21:26.000 And every now and then you find one where someone does know how to fight.
01:21:29.000 And they get hurt back.
01:21:30.000 There was these two dudes tangling outside of a bar on a security camera.
01:21:33.000 And this one dude just got up and kept fucking with this guy.
01:21:35.000 And this guy just starts, dink, dink, dink.
01:21:38.000 He grabs him, uppercuts him, drops him.
01:21:41.000 Yeah, it's over.
01:21:41.000 Yeah, I mean, he beat the fuck out of this dude, and he knew what he was doing.
01:21:45.000 The average guy can't fight.
01:21:48.000 No, the average guy can't fight.
01:21:50.000 They think they can when they're drunk, which is crazy.
01:21:52.000 I saw one dude unleash a head kick on a dude outside of a bar one time.
01:21:56.000 That was bad.
01:21:57.000 Did it land?
01:21:58.000 Landed.
01:21:59.000 Put his ass clean out backwards. 0.99
01:22:01.000 Oh my God.
01:22:01.000 I swear, it was crazy.
01:22:03.000 Was it a good kick?
01:22:03.000 It was a beautiful kick.
01:22:04.000 So he was good?
01:22:05.000 The guy was good.
01:22:06.000 The guy was like, stop, I don't want to fight.
01:22:09.000 It calmed down.
01:22:09.000 It's all good, man.
01:22:10.000 We don't...
01:22:10.000 It's not a problem to do that.
01:22:12.000 He's like, come on, man.
01:22:13.000 Stop, stop.
01:22:14.000 Dude kind of swung at him.
01:22:16.000 Dude takes a step.
01:22:17.000 He kind of goes, bang!
01:22:18.000 Head kick.
01:22:19.000 Dude went forward.
01:22:20.000 I was like, ooh, he went forward.
01:22:22.000 It's over.
01:22:22.000 He's really out.
01:22:23.000 When they go forward, they're really out.
01:22:25.000 So many guys die like that.
01:22:27.000 He went forward.
01:22:28.000 So many guys die.
01:22:30.000 They hurt themselves.
01:22:30.000 They get hurt.
01:22:31.000 Yeah.
01:22:32.000 Banging their head off the concrete.
01:22:33.000 He went forward.
01:22:34.000 Everybody started panicking around him, too.
01:22:35.000 Like, oh, my God.
01:22:37.000 That's why you can't mess with people, man.
01:22:39.000 You should never mess with people.
01:22:40.000 I don't mess with nobody, Joe.
01:22:41.000 No.
01:22:42.000 I literally just walk around trying to live in my own world, man.
01:22:44.000 Yes.
01:22:45.000 I'm happy.
01:22:46.000 I hope you're happy.
01:22:47.000 Like, let's just all just live in this...
01:22:49.000 It's not reality.
01:22:50.000 People tell me it's not reality the world you live in.
01:22:52.000 I'm like, well, it's better than trying to live in a world that's just awful.
01:22:56.000 Yeah.
01:22:56.000 Well, it's...
01:22:58.000 You have some effect on the people around you, for sure.
01:23:02.000 Yeah.
01:23:02.000 And if you live life happy, you have a better effect on the people you run into.
01:23:06.000 But there's a reality that you could always run into the wrong people.
01:23:10.000 Yeah, for sure.
01:23:10.000 That's real.
01:23:11.000 They're just bad people.
01:23:12.000 They got bad people.
01:23:13.000 Like, some people are bad people, man.
01:23:15.000 Yeah, they're bad people.
01:23:15.000 I'm like, God, you're a bad person.
01:23:17.000 And historically, that's always been the case.
01:23:19.000 Yeah.
01:23:20.000 There's always historically been bad people.
01:23:22.000 Just evil mugs, too.
01:23:23.000 Well, people that have been...
01:23:24.000 Mostly, it's people that have been fucked over themselves.
01:23:28.000 Yes.
01:23:28.000 Mostly, it's kids that were raised by horrible people and horrible environments, and they become that.
01:23:33.000 That's most of it.
01:23:34.000 I watched...
01:23:35.000 I don't know how many people come out of the womb bad. 0.97
01:23:37.000 No, no, no, no.
01:23:38.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:23:39.000 You're formed.
01:23:40.000 You're formed.
01:23:42.000 I watched those...
01:23:43.000 I was watching one on 2020 the other day.
01:23:48.000 Dude, I'm old now because I'm like watching 2020 and shit.
01:23:51.000 I used to get so mad at my mom.
01:23:53.000 Is it on TV still?
01:23:55.000 Yeah, dude, it's on TV. They're in season 45. At least.
01:23:59.000 Do you watch TV? Oh, I watch like a little Netflix every now and then.
01:24:03.000 Yeah.
01:24:04.000 Or HBO or something like that.
01:24:04.000 No, I love TV. TV? Like with commercials?
01:24:07.000 I want to watch a commercial.
01:24:12.000 It's so crazy.
01:24:13.000 I'm like a nostalgia guy, bro.
01:24:14.000 Really?
01:24:15.000 You remember there was a time whenever we could not fast forward the commercial?
01:24:17.000 I remember it all.
01:24:18.000 I remember I got a TiVo.
01:24:20.000 Yes.
01:24:20.000 Do you remember TiVo?
01:24:21.000 Yes, I do.
01:24:22.000 And you could pause TV. You could pause TV? I'm like, this is crazy.
01:24:25.000 You could pause your TV. Mind blown.
01:24:28.000 And then they started implementing it into DirecTV.
01:24:30.000 We could just pause the feed.
01:24:31.000 Pause it right now.
01:24:31.000 This is incredible.
01:24:32.000 Go to the kitchen.
01:24:33.000 Pause.
01:24:34.000 Come back.
01:24:34.000 I gotta take a leak.
01:24:35.000 Pause.
01:24:36.000 Like, unreal.
01:24:37.000 Yeah, you don't have to run back in.
01:24:38.000 What happened?
01:24:38.000 I want to watch a commercial.
01:24:40.000 And commercials work on me, too.
01:24:42.000 Seriously, bro.
01:24:43.000 I'm like the guy that buys shit off of commercials.
01:24:47.000 I'm like, yo, I gotta see this because I'm like, oh my god, this is real?
01:24:50.000 But I'm watching 2020 on TV because I want to watch.
01:24:56.000 I fast forward some.
01:24:57.000 But I watch one called The Dating Game Killer, bro.
01:25:02.000 The Dating Game Killer.
01:25:03.000 I heard about this one.
01:25:04.000 Dude was a serial killer back in the 70s.
01:25:07.000 And he was on the dating game.
01:25:08.000 He was on how?
01:25:10.000 That's a bad person knowing he's got that many bodies out there and he's on national television.
01:25:17.000 How many people had he killed before he got on the dating game?
01:25:19.000 Bro, he killed a woman way back.
01:25:21.000 Dude, growing up back, being an adult in the 60s and 70s, Nuts. 1.00
01:25:27.000 There is no internet.
01:25:29.000 There is no cell phones.
01:25:30.000 Women that were out there in the world were at risk for serial killers because you couldn't track them. 0.88
01:25:36.000 This woman and her husband or boyfriend had went up to like Montana.
01:25:40.000 The boyfriend got mad at her, left her.
01:25:43.000 Just left her.
01:25:44.000 This guy picks her up, kills her.
01:25:46.000 They don't find her till like 2000. And she was, when they found her, they found that she was pregnant at the time.
01:25:54.000 He killed her.
01:25:55.000 And then he killed a number of other ones.
01:25:57.000 And then he went on the dating game show.
01:25:59.000 He was a bad guy.
01:26:01.000 And then...
01:26:02.000 See if you can find that video.
01:26:03.000 Bro.
01:26:04.000 The guy on the dating game.
01:26:05.000 The dating game killer is what he was called.
01:26:07.000 I remember he looked real creepy.
01:26:08.000 He looked scary too, didn't he?
01:26:11.000 And then, bro, they caught...
01:26:12.000 Look at him.
01:26:12.000 Look at him.
01:26:13.000 They caught him because he was trying to take a little girl from a school.
01:26:19.000 Hey, Joe, and when they caught that, when they finally got this dude at the end, Joe, they met him in jail because he had been rotten in jail for years.
01:26:28.000 Look at all these women he got. 0.91
01:26:30.000 Look at all these women he got. 0.91
01:26:32.000 He was just a bad guy.
01:26:35.000 Jamie, can you go back to him talking?
01:26:39.000 Can I hear him talking?
01:26:42.000 She picked him, Joe.
01:26:49.000 You're actually a serial killer.
01:26:51.000 I'm called the banana, and I look really good.
01:26:56.000 No one had any idea.
01:26:58.000 Joe.
01:26:59.000 Imagine people were laughing at that back then.
01:27:01.000 Can you believe that?
01:27:01.000 I'm called the banana.
01:27:02.000 I'm called the banana.
01:27:04.000 Like, some of this shit on TV was crazy.
01:27:05.000 I look really good.
01:27:06.000 Amen.
01:27:07.000 Everyone's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
01:27:09.000 He said the banana.
01:27:11.000 That gal was going to get killed by this guy. 1.00
01:27:13.000 Um.
01:27:14.000 But when they set them up on the date, she goes, he's very creepy.
01:27:18.000 I don't like him.
01:27:20.000 They said when they went to see this dude, and he's dying in jail, and they start bringing up these women that they had found, they said it was almost like he was going to a place of euphoria.
01:27:32.000 Because even though he was on his deathbed and he couldn't move, he was thinking back to those times.
01:27:40.000 That's a bad guy.
01:27:41.000 Oh.
01:27:42.000 He's on the thing, literally losing his mind because he's thinking of killing this woman or doing what he was doing to these ladies.
01:27:53.000 It's nuts, bro.
01:27:54.000 That's a bad guy.
01:27:56.000 They let him act as his own attorney in his third trial, and he self-examined himself for four or five hours.
01:28:04.000 Oh my god.
01:28:05.000 Yeah.
01:28:06.000 Dude, 2020. I'm telling you.
01:28:08.000 You're allowed to do that?
01:28:09.000 I mean, this might be one of the last times.
01:28:11.000 I don't know.
01:28:12.000 Are you allowed to do, like, whatever you want?
01:28:15.000 If you're out of your fucking mind?
01:28:17.000 If you're your own attorney and you're out of your mind?
01:28:18.000 What?
01:28:19.000 You're gonna be your own attorney, you dumb fuck?
01:28:21.000 I remember there was a guy that killed a bunch of people on the subway in Long Island, and then he acted as his own attorney, too.
01:28:28.000 They lose every time.
01:28:30.000 And so he was questioning the witnesses.
01:28:31.000 He's like, bitch, you shot me! 1.00
01:28:33.000 The fuck you talking about?
01:28:34.000 You fucking shot me!
01:28:38.000 You're lying!
01:28:39.000 Yeah, the defendant says...
01:28:41.000 Oh my god!
01:28:42.000 What are you saying, the defendant?
01:28:43.000 That's you, bitch! 1.00
01:28:44.000 You fucking shot me.
01:28:45.000 But that's just somebody that's really messed up.
01:28:53.000 Yeah, crazy, crazy people.
01:28:54.000 But they're like formed.
01:28:56.000 They're not born like that.
01:28:57.000 No, I mean...
01:28:59.000 At least I don't think so.
01:29:00.000 Who knows what they're born like?
01:29:01.000 There is problems.
01:29:03.000 People do have mental illness that runs in families.
01:29:05.000 Yeah, they do.
01:29:06.000 That's real, man.
01:29:07.000 They do.
01:29:07.000 I know people that have it.
01:29:08.000 It's weird.
01:29:10.000 It's very weird.
01:29:11.000 It's weird because it's like if you don't have it and then you see other people that do have it, you go, whoa, what is that like?
01:29:17.000 Like, what is schizophrenia like?
01:29:18.000 Yeah.
01:29:19.000 You know, I know people that are...
01:29:21.000 Out there.
01:29:21.000 Really?
01:29:22.000 Out there.
01:29:22.000 I've never met anybody with that.
01:29:24.000 I know people that come back, and they start acting normal again, and they go out there again, and you never know which one you're going to get when you talk to them.
01:29:30.000 That's not good.
01:29:31.000 Yeah, not good.
01:29:32.000 Or manic.
01:29:33.000 When a person's manic, that's when they're really struggling.
01:29:37.000 Yeah, this is the guy.
01:29:38.000 Oh my God, the one thing I noticed was I could hear shots being fired already.
01:29:41.000 Solomon Butler is that man accused of shooting at Clements.
01:29:45.000 Look at his head!
01:29:46.000 Um, I don't think this is the one.
01:29:50.000 Wait, did you see that guy's head?
01:29:51.000 Did that guy get shot in the head?
01:29:52.000 Oh my god, he did.
01:29:56.000 In court, the injury to Butler's head was obvious.
01:30:00.000 Officer Clements...
01:30:01.000 Wow.
01:30:02.000 Wow, I've never seen anything like that.
01:30:04.000 He's missing a chunk of his head.
01:30:06.000 I've never seen anything like that.
01:30:08.000 I've seen a few things like that.
01:30:09.000 Really?
01:30:09.000 Yeah, people survive gunshot wounds and half their head's missing.
01:30:12.000 Half of the head's missing.
01:30:13.000 Yeah, and they can still function somewhat.
01:30:16.000 People can live in a lot of different circumstances where a lot of stuff's missing.
01:30:21.000 It's crazy that they're still alive.
01:30:23.000 That's crazy.
01:30:24.000 That was nuts.
01:30:25.000 His whole inside of his head's like dented in.
01:30:26.000 So where's his brain?
01:30:28.000 That part's probably not there anymore.
01:30:31.000 That part of his brain is gone.
01:30:35.000 So I guess the rest of the brain has to pick up the slack or something.
01:30:39.000 Or part of your body doesn't work well.
01:30:41.000 That's so crazy.
01:30:42.000 That's a freaky looking image there.
01:30:45.000 This was a different one, but it doesn't matter, Jamie.
01:30:48.000 It was a subway killer in Long Island.
01:30:53.000 Serial killer.
01:30:54.000 There's a lot of fucked up dudes out there.
01:30:55.000 Women love serial killer shows. 1.00
01:30:59.000 It's so weird.
01:31:01.000 Can a serial killer exist today?
01:31:04.000 Yes.
01:31:05.000 You think so?
01:31:06.000 Yeah, they exist.
01:31:07.000 There's active serial killers.
01:31:09.000 Yeah.
01:31:09.000 How?
01:31:10.000 With all the stuff, like with the DNA and the videos and the cameras and the phones and the tracking?
01:31:16.000 Well, you have to have people looking for you, first of all, right?
01:31:19.000 So you have to have left some sort of evidence to begin with.
01:31:22.000 Yeah, well, you're right.
01:31:24.000 There was a guy named Henry Lee Lucas, and there's a movie made about him called Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer.
01:31:30.000 I'm going to watch that.
01:31:31.000 And they don't know how much of this guy's story is true, because apparently he took credit for a lot of murders that he couldn't have done.
01:31:38.000 But he definitely killed a lot of people as well.
01:31:41.000 And they would just pick people up randomly.
01:31:44.000 They would drive around the country randomly, find someone and kill them.
01:31:47.000 That's so bad.
01:31:48.000 And if you do that randomly, it's hard to catch people.
01:31:53.000 Yeah.
01:31:53.000 Like if it's your ex-husband and he's been following you and tracking you and you wind up dead, they look to the ex-husband.
01:32:02.000 Yes, for sure.
01:32:03.000 The ex-husband's been stalking her, there's some shit going on, and then you break them down under questioning.
01:32:08.000 But if it's just a random, if someone just pulls up to a bus stop and shoots someone waiting for the bus and then gets back in their car and drives off and no one sees it.
01:32:18.000 Yeah.
01:32:19.000 Most times there is like a...
01:32:23.000 It's weird, right?
01:32:24.000 Somebody, like, is watching.
01:32:26.000 Because there was another guy that I watched.
01:32:30.000 He was robbing a person of a drug deal or something.
01:32:34.000 And the cops were questioning all the people and said, has anybody seen anything unfamiliar?
01:32:42.000 There was a white van parked, and this lady next door was like, uh... 1.00
01:32:46.000 Was it this white van?
01:32:48.000 She just had a picture.
01:32:49.000 And it was what led to the guy getting caught.
01:32:51.000 Wow.
01:32:52.000 Because the lady was, it was two in the morning, and she was randomly like up, which I don't understand why, and she saw a white van parked outside, she took a photo.
01:33:01.000 And she gave him the license plate of the van that the people were using.
01:33:04.000 So it's like, it feels like if you're doing something wrong, for the most part, somebody's gonna witness it.
01:33:11.000 Well, the thing is, yeah, you're very likely to get caught.
01:33:14.000 Yeah.
01:33:15.000 Right?
01:33:15.000 Especially if they go looking for you.
01:33:17.000 But there was this one dude that studied...
01:33:21.000 Did he go to school for criminal...
01:33:26.000 He went to school for something to learn the laws so he could be a better serial killer.
01:33:32.000 What?
01:33:32.000 Yeah, and he stabbed a bunch of people in this house.
01:33:36.000 It was was it like a sorority house or a dorm house?
01:33:40.000 Yeah, yeah, so this guy they think he killed some people in western in the western states, too They think he killed some people in I think it was Washington some people turned out missing that it seems like so this guy is He was pursuing a PhD in Criminology.
01:34:00.000 So he's like studying crime while he's a fucking serial killer.
01:34:07.000 Look at his fucking eyes, man.
01:34:09.000 Look at his eyes.
01:34:10.000 Look at those eyes.
01:34:11.000 Right.
01:34:11.000 Like, look at his eyes.
01:34:13.000 Can you see in a person that, okay, this dude's a little messed up?
01:34:18.000 Can you see that?
01:34:19.000 Because there are people that say they can read people's energy and go, this person's energy is off.
01:34:27.000 Some people have off energy, for sure.
01:34:29.000 You can feel it?
01:34:30.000 Yeah, you can feel it with some people.
01:34:32.000 Do you feel like they're evil, though?
01:34:33.000 Have you ever been around so long and go, this dude's a little evil, man.
01:34:36.000 I don't think of the word evil.
01:34:37.000 I just think screwy.
01:34:39.000 Like, this is something wrong here.
01:34:40.000 This is a facade.
01:34:42.000 There's some wild shit going on behind the surface.
01:34:44.000 Yeah.
01:34:45.000 You know?
01:34:45.000 And you can't really tell from a photo.
01:34:47.000 But the photo does look crazy.
01:34:49.000 That guy, the way he was looking at his attorney.
01:34:51.000 But I bet if you looked in his eyes.
01:34:53.000 Like crazy eyes.
01:34:54.000 Yeah.
01:34:54.000 Crazy eyes.
01:34:55.000 Yeah.
01:34:56.000 You can...
01:34:57.000 I don't know if I could do that.
01:34:59.000 I don't know if I could read a person's energy.
01:35:01.000 Because I'm always trying to take the person for who they present themselves to be.
01:35:06.000 That's probably one of my worst...
01:35:09.000 It's probably like a problem.
01:35:11.000 Well, because you're real friendly.
01:35:12.000 Yeah, I always want to take...
01:35:13.000 You want everybody to be laughing and smiling...
01:35:15.000 I want to take everybody as, what you give me is what I'm going to accept you as until you show me something different.
01:35:21.000 And then it's done.
01:35:24.000 It just, there's every now and then you get around a shyster.
01:35:27.000 Yeah.
01:35:28.000 Every now and then you get around some dude who's scamming people around you.
01:35:31.000 Yeah.
01:35:31.000 And you're like, what is going on with that dude?
01:35:34.000 What's happening here?
01:35:36.000 But right now, here's what I always wonder, right?
01:35:40.000 And I know why when you enjoy going to the UFC, because it's just like people that we've all known forever, right?
01:35:46.000 It's like we're all just calling the fights.
01:35:48.000 Life has to be pretty difficult at times.
01:35:51.000 Because have you made new friends recently?
01:35:56.000 Can you make new friends?
01:35:58.000 Yeah, you can make new friends.
01:35:59.000 But can you actually make new friends and see that these people aren't having ulterior motives?
01:36:05.000 No.
01:36:06.000 There's good people out there.
01:36:07.000 Really?
01:36:07.000 Yeah.
01:36:08.000 And you can still trust them in your position today?
01:36:11.000 You have to have friends, man.
01:36:13.000 But new friends?
01:36:14.000 Yeah.
01:36:15.000 I mean, look.
01:36:16.000 What was the last new friend you think you made?
01:36:17.000 How many years?
01:36:19.000 I've made new friends in Texas.
01:36:21.000 I've been here for three years.
01:36:24.000 When did you start your Spotify thing?
01:36:26.000 Three years ago.
01:36:27.000 And you've made new friends since then?
01:36:29.000 I've made new friends, yeah.
01:36:30.000 Really?
01:36:31.000 Yeah.
01:36:31.000 And they're good people.
01:36:32.000 Nice people.
01:36:33.000 Yeah.
01:36:34.000 Huh.
01:36:37.000 You look like you're worried about me.
01:36:39.000 I'm just saying, I'm just saying, because for me, it's like, I don't know, Joe, I swear, Joe, I don't know if I see people react any weirder than when they're around you.
01:36:48.000 They get all giddy and shit, man.
01:36:50.000 Right?
01:36:57.000 But it's like, it's like hard.
01:36:59.000 It's like hard when you get to a certain level to really make new friends.
01:37:03.000 Because like you said, shysters are everywhere.
01:37:05.000 Things get weird, but there's still good people out there.
01:37:08.000 Yeah.
01:37:09.000 Yeah, there's still people that are just regular people.
01:37:10.000 Generally, the people that I become friends with, they do things that I do as well.
01:37:15.000 Yeah.
01:37:16.000 You know, whether it's archery or whether it's jujitsu or whether it's comedy or people like that.
01:37:21.000 Yeah.
01:37:21.000 But you obviously don't hang around just in like random.
01:37:25.000 You don't hang around in the same places that we did when the UFC first started blowing up.
01:37:29.000 So you're not around the shysters.
01:37:30.000 No, not as much.
01:37:33.000 But there's always some people around, right, that are trying to like do deals and sell crypto.
01:37:39.000 There's always some weirdos.
01:37:41.000 Yeah, I know.
01:37:41.000 It's crazy.
01:37:42.000 It's the craziest thing.
01:37:44.000 Yeah, I was kind of one to that, right?
01:37:46.000 When you come up to the fights and we're all like having a great time and then, you know, we kind of go back on our life and sometimes we text about the fights and it's awesome.
01:37:53.000 Then I'm like, I wonder if Joe like has more friends that aren't guys from back in the day like us, right?
01:37:59.000 Like that no, it's just Joe.
01:38:01.000 Yeah.
01:38:03.000 Well, I certainly have a lot of friends that I'm still friends with from back in the day.
01:38:07.000 Yeah, but it would seem hard.
01:38:10.000 It's weird.
01:38:11.000 But good friends are always good friends.
01:38:13.000 And once you make a good friend, oh, it's so perfect, right?
01:38:16.000 They're just the best.
01:38:17.000 And you gotta be a good friend.
01:38:19.000 That's one thing I'm not the best at.
01:38:20.000 You're not?
01:38:21.000 At times.
01:38:21.000 What are you talking about?
01:38:22.000 Bro, sometimes I'm not a great friend.
01:38:24.000 Why?
01:38:24.000 What did you do wrong?
01:38:25.000 I just kind of be fucking up, man.
01:38:26.000 Like I started...
01:38:28.000 Sometimes I'm not a great friend.
01:38:30.000 It sucks.
01:38:30.000 And sometimes I have to catch myself not being a good friend.
01:38:36.000 I'll do things that I want to do and then a lot of my friends will do things that I want to do.
01:38:43.000 So I have to sometimes consciously make an effort to do things my friends want to do.
01:38:48.000 Because you're not a great friend if you're only doing things that you want to do.
01:38:53.000 So it's like And then I got into this weird phase where I only hung out with people that I knew would only do what I want to do.
01:39:04.000 Then you become a tyrant.
01:39:05.000 The equipment manager at Oklahoma State.
01:39:09.000 Everybody else is hanging out.
01:39:10.000 I'm hanging out with the equipment manager.
01:39:11.000 Because it doesn't matter what I want to do.
01:39:13.000 He's going to agree to it.
01:39:16.000 When I went to Oklahoma State, like when I went to AK, I'm hanging out with these random guys because they're always wanting to do what I wanted to do.
01:39:24.000 But then ultimately, I started hanging out with Kane and all those guys.
01:39:28.000 And obviously, when...
01:39:32.000 Kane got into his situation, right?
01:39:35.000 To be a good friend, I got to go into that jailhouse to sit with him and talk to him and try to support him as best I can.
01:39:43.000 And that's being a good friend.
01:39:46.000 At times, I might not have done that.
01:39:49.000 I wouldn't have done that.
01:39:50.000 I would have...
01:39:52.000 If he called, I would answer.
01:39:54.000 And thought that that was enough.
01:39:56.000 But that's not enough.
01:39:57.000 To be a good friend, you gotta really be a good friend.
01:40:00.000 Because I've got some great friends.
01:40:02.000 And I've got some great friends from childhood.
01:40:05.000 And it's the best, man.
01:40:08.000 When you get good friends, it's the best.
01:40:10.000 Yeah, people that don't have good friends, I feel fucking terrible for them.
01:40:14.000 That sucks.
01:40:15.000 Yeah, it's not good.
01:40:16.000 You gotta be having a good time with everybody.
01:40:18.000 Everybody.
01:40:19.000 Yeah.
01:40:19.000 And most people are pretty cool, man.
01:40:21.000 Like, there's bad people.
01:40:23.000 But I've been lucky.
01:40:24.000 I've been around some pretty cool people in my life.
01:40:26.000 Like, John Ennick's a cool fucking guy.
01:40:28.000 He's a cool fucking guy.
01:40:29.000 Like, John Ennick's a cool guy.
01:40:30.000 He's the best.
01:40:31.000 He's the best, bro.
01:40:32.000 Ever.
01:40:33.000 Ever.
01:40:33.000 He's 100% the GOAT. How does he do a job with us?
01:40:37.000 Like, sometimes we're literally just talking.
01:40:39.000 Yeah.
01:40:40.000 And then John's like, this fight is brought to you by Toyo Tires.
01:40:44.000 And he's like, alright, go ahead, boys.
01:40:45.000 He's gotta do the real work.
01:40:46.000 He's like, go ahead, boys.
01:40:47.000 We go on tangents.
01:40:48.000 Like, tangents!
01:40:49.000 And then John's like, alright, back to you, boys.
01:40:51.000 Yeah, but how fun is it?
01:40:52.000 It's the best, man.
01:40:53.000 I look forward to it so much.
01:40:55.000 We do commentary.
01:40:56.000 Every single show.
01:40:57.000 We're always gonna have fun.
01:40:57.000 Every single show.
01:40:59.000 We have the best vibe.
01:41:00.000 The three of us and then with Megan, too.
01:41:02.000 Yeah, and Megan, too.
01:41:03.000 And then Dean.
01:41:04.000 It's the great vibe.
01:41:06.000 Yeah, it's awesome.
01:41:07.000 It really is.
01:41:07.000 It's awesome, man.
01:41:08.000 Dean's funny, man.
01:41:09.000 Dean is crazy.
01:41:10.000 I don't want to do any of that shit you guys are doing.
01:41:12.000 I just chime in every now and again.
01:41:14.000 That's what I like.
01:41:15.000 He's got an ass got on.
01:41:16.000 Always.
01:41:17.000 He's looking all good.
01:41:18.000 No one dresses better.
01:41:19.000 Then Dean starts disrespecting dude.
01:41:21.000 I'm like, Dean, that's disrespectful, man.
01:41:23.000 Well, the problem is he's holding his hands too low.
01:41:26.000 He don't look like he know what he's doing out there.
01:41:29.000 I'm like, oh my goodness, Dean.
01:41:31.000 But he's giving his honest opinions.
01:41:34.000 He's cornering Sean Brady this weekend.
01:41:36.000 Oh, interesting.
01:41:37.000 Yeah, that's an interesting big get for Sean Brady.
01:41:39.000 Bro, Kelvin Gastelum at 170. I had a conversation with him at the Comedy Store one night.
01:41:43.000 Really?
01:41:44.000 And I said, this was after he knocked out Bisping.
01:41:46.000 Oh, yeah.
01:41:47.000 I said, I go, dude, I go, you're fucking people up at 185. I think you're a world champion at 170. Go back down.
01:41:54.000 If you just had the discipline to just diet correctly.
01:41:58.000 Yep.
01:41:59.000 Because he always carried around all that burning fat.
01:42:00.000 A little extra weight, yep.
01:42:02.000 You could do that at heavyweight.
01:42:04.000 You can't do that at 85. Not at 85, 70. As you get lighter, you've got to be better.
01:42:08.000 Look at him.
01:42:09.000 Look at his size.
01:42:09.000 And now look at Drakus Duplicy.
01:42:11.000 That's huge.
01:42:12.000 He's huge.
01:42:14.000 Him and Sean Strickland is going to be fun.
01:42:15.000 That's going to be fun.
01:42:16.000 That's going to be fun.
01:42:18.000 That's going to be a fun fight.
01:42:20.000 Because Drakus is awful.
01:42:20.000 I didn't think he was good.
01:42:22.000 I was always hard on Drakus.
01:42:24.000 And now I'm looking at him like...
01:42:26.000 Well, he beat Robert Whittaker, who is the man, and he beat him down.
01:42:30.000 He beat Darren Till easy.
01:42:35.000 That dude, he's tough.
01:42:36.000 That's a wild fight.
01:42:36.000 He's big, man.
01:42:38.000 He's huge.
01:42:39.000 He's so big for that weight class.
01:42:40.000 But Sean Strickland impressed me so much in that Adesanya fight.
01:42:45.000 I was like, my God.
01:42:46.000 The best thing for me in that fight was...
01:42:50.000 Talking to Sean before, he had a bit of this uncertainty about himself.
01:42:56.000 Didn't know, right?
01:42:57.000 Because...
01:42:58.000 Izzy is Izzy.
01:43:00.000 He's a global superstar.
01:43:01.000 He took the world by storm and Shawn just not very long ago got knocked out by Pareda.
01:43:07.000 So he had these questions and he doesn't hold back.
01:43:13.000 He's like, I don't know if I'm supposed to be here.
01:43:15.000 They gave me the title fight because nobody else was there to fight.
01:43:18.000 And he was just telling the truth.
01:43:20.000 But the moment he got into that octagon, he beat Izzy, man.
01:43:23.000 Every round.
01:43:24.000 He looked so calm.
01:43:25.000 Every second of the round.
01:43:25.000 He did not look like he was overwhelmed.
01:43:27.000 I said, he looks nervous when he walked into the octagon.
01:43:32.000 A minute in, I go, he's not nervous, fellas.
01:43:34.000 I go, this dude is locked in.
01:43:36.000 And he pitched a shutout.
01:43:38.000 That right hand that he landed was so clean.
01:43:41.000 Izzy never bounced back from it.
01:43:42.000 Never bounced back.
01:43:43.000 But it was not just the right hand.
01:43:44.000 It was all those left hands that came afterwards in the clinch.
01:43:46.000 He just was hitting him.
01:43:47.000 He hit him with a bunch of left hands in the clinch. 0.91
01:43:49.000 He looked good, man.
01:43:50.000 He looked really good.
01:43:51.000 You know, they have this UFC mouthpiece that they were using that registers how many times you get hit.
01:43:56.000 Yeah.
01:43:56.000 He spars the most and gets hit the least.
01:43:59.000 Because he does shoulder.
01:44:01.000 He fights behind his shoulder.
01:44:02.000 He does.
01:44:02.000 That's why.
01:44:03.000 And his distance management is really good.
01:44:06.000 He fights behind his shoulder.
01:44:07.000 He manages distance while he's popping his jab.
01:44:10.000 And he's always pressuring you.
01:44:12.000 He's pressuring you.
01:44:13.000 These guys, he's good, man.
01:44:16.000 He's good.
01:44:17.000 I mean, Drakus is good.
01:44:19.000 God, I cannot wait for Kobe Covington versus Leon Edwards.
01:44:22.000 That one, in two, in next week, in two weeks, that's gonna be good.
01:44:26.000 That's a wild fight.
01:44:27.000 That's a crazy fight.
01:44:28.000 That's a wild fight.
01:44:29.000 Can Kobe still fight this dude?
01:44:30.000 He hasn't fought in almost two years.
01:44:32.000 Well...
01:44:33.000 Leon has looked amazing.
01:44:34.000 Leon has looked amazing.
01:44:36.000 Leon, you know, there was a bump up once he got the champion.
01:44:40.000 There was?
01:44:41.000 There was a bump up.
01:44:41.000 Yeah, he got better.
01:44:42.000 In the second fight, he looked even better.
01:44:44.000 He got better.
01:44:44.000 He looked even better.
01:44:45.000 He wasn't dealing with the altitude.
01:44:47.000 Ooh, that's true too.
01:44:48.000 You remember when we were in Utah?
01:44:49.000 Like, I was tired.
01:44:51.000 That's true.
01:44:52.000 It's like 5,000 feet.
01:44:53.000 Yeah, it sucks.
01:44:54.000 It's like, it sucks.
01:44:55.000 Yeah, that's a good point.
01:44:56.000 But he got better between fight one and fight two.
01:45:00.000 He defended takedowns better.
01:45:01.000 Yeah.
01:45:01.000 He outstruck Kamaru.
01:45:03.000 He just fought better.
01:45:05.000 He got that 30% champion bump.
01:45:07.000 Yeah, dude.
01:45:08.000 When Teddy Atlas said that, I was like, what is Teddy talking about?
01:45:11.000 And then I was like, oh my God, he's actually better.
01:45:14.000 Yo, Teddy Atlas...
01:45:15.000 That fight.
01:45:16.000 It's going to be a great fight.
01:45:17.000 That's a wild fight, man.
01:45:19.000 That's a wild fight.
01:45:20.000 I believe, Joe, for everyone we watch in this beautiful sport that we have the honor of calling, no one, no one has done more with less than Colby Covington.
01:45:35.000 He's not the biggest.
01:45:36.000 He's not the biggest.
01:45:37.000 He's not the fastest.
01:45:38.000 He's not the strongest.
01:45:40.000 But he wins.
01:45:42.000 And with those abilities, right, he has become a two-time NCAA All-American.
01:45:47.000 He has been the UFC interim champion.
01:45:49.000 He's fought for the belt two times.
01:45:51.000 And he's fighting for the belt another time.
01:45:53.000 But nothing about Kobe jumps off the page.
01:45:56.000 He's meat and potatoes.
01:45:57.000 As meat and potatoes as it gets.
01:45:58.000 Volume.
01:45:59.000 Volume and cardio.
01:46:01.000 But that all comes with hard work.
01:46:05.000 He's not gonna out-jump anyone.
01:46:07.000 He's not gonna jump higher than anybody.
01:46:08.000 He's not gonna run faster than anybody.
01:46:10.000 But with his abilities, he has done that.
01:46:15.000 That's crazy.
01:46:17.000 Because we have seen many people like this that don't accomplish what Colby Covington accomplish.
01:46:23.000 I think he's...
01:46:24.000 I think Colby Covington's tremendous, man, but Leon Edwards is a...
01:46:30.000 I mean, dude's won 13 fights in a row, or he's not lost in 13 fights.
01:46:33.000 One of the smoothest strikers ever.
01:46:35.000 Oh, boy.
01:46:36.000 He's so smooth.
01:46:37.000 When you start rocking...
01:46:38.000 You ever watch him hit the pads?
01:46:39.000 Yeah.
01:46:39.000 It's a thing of art.
01:46:40.000 I watched a thing today, and I was showing this to Lappy.
01:46:44.000 I said...
01:46:46.000 I saw these guys sparring in glory.
01:46:48.000 And I said, there's never been a day in my life where I look like this in sparring.
01:46:53.000 The combination was perfect, Joe.
01:46:55.000 He was on boom, boom, boom.
01:46:57.000 Kick.
01:46:57.000 And then another kick.
01:46:58.000 I was like, you just don't look that smooth.
01:47:01.000 But my question is, look at him.
01:47:04.000 Yeah, look at him.
01:47:06.000 We've never had work.
01:47:09.000 Jeez.
01:47:09.000 Come on, man.
01:47:10.000 He looks good, bro.
01:47:13.000 Everything is just so precise, you know?
01:47:16.000 Everything he does.
01:47:17.000 Rocky.
01:47:19.000 Strong and big, Toodle.
01:47:20.000 He's big.
01:47:21.000 That fucking left high kick, bro.
01:47:24.000 Oh my god, that left high kick is hell.
01:47:27.000 I mean, he's really changed his life with that head kick.
01:47:31.000 Yeah, man.
01:47:32.000 And then he said, head kick, bang.
01:47:33.000 Yeah.
01:47:34.000 He's in the octagon with you.
01:47:35.000 That post-fight interview was wild.
01:47:37.000 That was wild.
01:47:38.000 Look at me now!
01:47:39.000 Look at me now!
01:47:40.000 He said I couldn't do it!
01:47:41.000 Look at me now!
01:47:42.000 Play that, Jimmy.
01:47:43.000 Look at me now!
01:47:44.000 There's some of those men that make me tear up.
01:47:46.000 Dude, you've got to your right.
01:47:48.000 I've been putting through where I was drunk.
01:47:48.000 I've been a long, long, four years.
01:47:52.000 They all down to me, so I couldn't do it.
01:47:54.000 The Austin, I couldn't do it.
01:47:56.000 Yeah.
01:47:56.000 Look at me now.
01:47:57.000 Yes.
01:47:58.000 Never know.
01:47:59.000 Half a pound.
01:48:01.000 Headshot.
01:48:01.000 That's sick.
01:48:03.000 That's crazy, bro.
01:48:05.000 Oh my god.
01:48:07.000 That's so crazy.
01:48:09.000 Incredible.
01:48:09.000 It was so intense, bro.
01:48:11.000 That's incredible.
01:48:11.000 I'm tearing up.
01:48:12.000 Some of these ones, it's in those moments, right, where you can't help but feel good for the person.
01:48:17.000 Oh, yeah, man.
01:48:18.000 It was Amanda Nunes, too.
01:48:20.000 One time Amanda won, and... 1.00
01:48:22.000 We were all crying.
01:48:24.000 She had her daughter, and we're all sitting next to the actor not crying.
01:48:27.000 I was like, oh my god.
01:48:28.000 Doug Rose made me cry.
01:48:29.000 Oh, I was like, this is the most beautiful shit I've ever seen.
01:48:32.000 When you get to witness people accomplish great things, It's fucking amazing.
01:48:40.000 It's amazing.
01:48:40.000 Even like, and I'm not talking about just athletically, but just in life.
01:48:45.000 In life.
01:48:46.000 When you see people do great things, you're like, wow, man, I'm happy for this dude.
01:48:49.000 Yeah.
01:48:50.000 I'm genuinely happy for this dude.
01:48:52.000 I remember when you first...
01:48:54.000 Started to move here.
01:48:56.000 I was like, I smiled, right?
01:48:58.000 I was like, this dude worked really hard, and now he's done some amazing shit.
01:49:02.000 Like, good for Joe.
01:49:03.000 It's like, you could feel good for people.
01:49:06.000 Like, when I saw, this was way back in the day, when John Ennick did his first UFC pay-per-view, I knew how he had started from ESPN. This dude was doing overnight highlights, right?
01:49:22.000 And then he did all those fight nights and then he got up to the pay-per-view and it was you guys and I said look at John and I was like happy for him.
01:49:29.000 Yeah, I think that's probably like the biggest Thing is to have an ability to feel good for someone when they accomplish something great because accomplishing great things is not easy.
01:49:40.000 It's very difficult.
01:49:42.000 So to see that and feel that appreciation for that person in their work, it's amazing, man.
01:49:48.000 And we get to do that constantly watching these humans just...
01:49:53.000 Overcome and do things that you know 90% of the world can't do?
01:50:00.000 Yeah.
01:50:01.000 It's nuts.
01:50:01.000 And when you're around things like that a lot, it inspires you.
01:50:05.000 Yes.
01:50:06.000 It inspires you to work harder, push harder.
01:50:09.000 For a championship level MMA fight, is there a more difficult thing to prepare for in all of sports?
01:50:16.000 No, I don't think so.
01:50:17.000 How could there be?
01:50:18.000 I don't think so.
01:50:18.000 Between the wrestling and the kicking and the punching and the jiu-jitsu, what could be more difficult?
01:50:25.000 And you have strength and conditioning sessions.
01:50:27.000 I was doing...
01:50:28.000 When I was fighting at 205, I was doing...
01:50:32.000 One, two, three...
01:50:34.000 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 7, 8, 9. Then I was doing 10, 11, 12, 13, 15 workouts a week to become a UFC champion.
01:50:50.000 I would get up at 7 a.m.
01:50:51.000 I would hit pads on Monday, Wednesday, and Then I would go to sparring, and then I would do bikes at night, cardio.
01:50:58.000 Tuesdays, 11 a.m.
01:51:00.000 pads, 12 o'clock wrestling.
01:51:01.000 Then at night, I would hit pads again and run.
01:51:04.000 I was doing 15 a week.
01:51:05.000 And there were times, Joe, towards the end, because I started old.
01:51:09.000 I was almost 31 when I started fighting.
01:51:12.000 So...
01:51:13.000 There were times when I got to 37, 38, when I was the UFC champion, where I would get so beat up because I wanted to train like I was taught to train my whole life that I would crawl up the stairs.
01:51:28.000 I hear stories of Kamaru Usman walking down the stairs backwards.
01:51:32.000 Yeah, he does that.
01:51:34.000 But he's still fighting.
01:51:35.000 But when those lights go on and he's inside the octagon or it's time to prepare, he gets himself ready.
01:51:41.000 That's what championship mixed martial arts is.
01:51:43.000 Being so beat down, but being able to turn it on enough to work hard as you possibly can and give yourself an opportunity.
01:51:51.000 I would crawl up my stairs.
01:51:53.000 You imagine how good Kamara would be with two good knees? 1.00
01:51:56.000 He has no knees.
01:51:57.000 Yeah, could you imagine that?
01:51:58.000 Could you imagine?
01:51:59.000 He's still one of the greatest welterweights of all time, and he has no knees.
01:52:02.000 No knees.
01:52:03.000 You ever notice the difference between the muscles in his leg and the muscles in his upper body?
01:52:07.000 No.
01:52:07.000 Oh, yeah.
01:52:07.000 He's got tiny legs.
01:52:09.000 Tiny legs.
01:52:09.000 His legs are so skinny.
01:52:10.000 He walks almost like his knees are bent forward when he walks.
01:52:14.000 And I wonder if he developed that to relieve pressure...
01:52:18.000 Probably.
01:52:18.000 Off of his knees.
01:52:19.000 Probably.
01:52:19.000 Yeah, it's crazy.
01:52:20.000 Yeah, he has to walk, he was telling me that he has to walk on the grass when he's next to grass on sidewalk.
01:52:25.000 Yeah.
01:52:25.000 He walks on the grass because it doesn't hurt his knees as much.
01:52:27.000 Can you believe that?
01:52:28.000 But that's not, and that's crazy for Camaro, but most athletes at the top of this sport have those types of stories.
01:52:37.000 Because it just beats you down.
01:52:39.000 Like the sport beats you down.
01:52:40.000 But there's nothing like it.
01:52:42.000 No one's ever come back from a knee replacement.
01:52:45.000 No.
01:52:46.000 No, it's over.
01:52:47.000 If you gotta replace your knee, it's over.
01:52:49.000 You gotta put that stuff off until you're done.
01:52:52.000 If I could do it again...
01:52:54.000 I wouldn't have done the back surgery after the Lewis fight.
01:52:57.000 This thing says he still runs.
01:52:59.000 He still runs on his straight knees.
01:53:01.000 He does run.
01:53:01.000 He does run.
01:53:01.000 Mike is a savage though.
01:53:03.000 That seems so crazy.
01:53:04.000 He spit in Singapore too. 0.98
01:53:06.000 If y'all listening in Singapore, Mike spit.
01:53:08.000 I'm going to tell y'all right now, Mike spit.
01:53:10.000 He spit, bro.
01:53:12.000 He goes, I was running and I spit.
01:53:14.000 I was like, you know you're not supposed to do that here, man.
01:53:16.000 You're not supposed to spit on the ground or spit gum out and stuff.
01:53:19.000 Whoa.
01:53:19.000 They don't like you to do that.
01:53:20.000 You can't eat sunflower seeds.
01:53:22.000 None of that stuff.
01:53:22.000 It's so clean there.
01:53:24.000 Wow.
01:53:24.000 Yeah, they don't like that.
01:53:25.000 So Mike's been on the ground in Singapore.
01:53:27.000 Mike fought like ten fights with one eye.
01:53:29.000 One eye.
01:53:30.000 Ten.
01:53:31.000 Can't see.
01:53:32.000 Ten fights.
01:53:32.000 Won the world title with one eye.
01:53:33.000 Can you believe that?
01:53:35.000 He said, I was an international fighter.
01:53:38.000 Because not many commissions like, you know, that.
01:53:43.000 So he was going all around the world.
01:53:44.000 How about this new dude that just fought in the UFC? Oh my god, did you see that guy?
01:53:48.000 Yeah.
01:53:51.000 He's a savage though.
01:53:52.000 He's fucking good.
01:53:53.000 Are we talking about the Russian dude?
01:53:54.000 Yeah.
01:53:55.000 Oh my god, he's a scary looking dude.
01:53:57.000 Oh yeah, he's terrifying with the one eye.
01:54:00.000 That dude is nasty.
01:54:01.000 Isn't it crazy how good he can fight with one eye?
01:54:04.000 He's got to have two eyes, Joe.
01:54:05.000 He's got one eye.
01:54:06.000 Come on.
01:54:07.000 He's blind.
01:54:08.000 He's blind?
01:54:09.000 That's why he's fighting overseas.
01:54:10.000 He's blind in his right eye.
01:54:12.000 He fought in Abu Dhabi.
01:54:13.000 Yeah, you're right.
01:54:14.000 No commission.
01:54:15.000 He's blind in his right eye.
01:54:16.000 Hey, did you see that doctor in Abu Dhabi just messing up?
01:54:19.000 Yeah, I did.
01:54:20.000 Poor guy, right?
01:54:21.000 Yeah, not good.
01:54:22.000 That was sad, man.
01:54:23.000 I felt bad for him at the end.
01:54:25.000 I was like, oh, I feel bad for him.
01:54:28.000 He's just fucking up.
01:54:29.000 Because they don't know.
01:54:30.000 They don't know.
01:54:30.000 They don't fight.
01:54:31.000 You need a doctor that works fights. 0.99
01:54:33.000 You need to send somebody over there.
01:54:34.000 Because otherwise someone's going to see a cut eyebrow.
01:54:37.000 Just stop it.
01:54:38.000 Meet the controversial UFC prospect who is partially blind in one eye.
01:54:42.000 Yeah.
01:54:42.000 He can see light, I think, in that other eye.
01:54:46.000 They call him Shara Bullet.
01:54:48.000 Yeah.
01:54:49.000 Yeah, there it is.
01:54:50.000 Yeah, he's a...
01:54:52.000 He can fight, Joe.
01:54:53.000 Oh, he's fucking good.
01:54:55.000 He can fight.
01:54:55.000 He's had a ton of surgeries on that eye to try to save it.
01:54:59.000 He's been fighting forever, though.
01:55:00.000 And when you're fighting over there...
01:55:02.000 Pull up his highlights.
01:55:03.000 His fucking striking is so beautiful.
01:55:05.000 M1 Global and all those shows, you're fighting absolute killers.
01:55:09.000 Oh, yeah.
01:55:09.000 So when you get here, you're ready to go.
01:55:12.000 He doesn't have good takedown defense.
01:55:14.000 No.
01:55:14.000 Well, the last guy didn't even try to take him down, which is...
01:55:17.000 Stupid.
01:55:18.000 Because this guy, if you're going to stand and strike with him, you're going to find yourself in trouble at some point.
01:55:23.000 He's dangerous.
01:55:23.000 He's dangerous.
01:55:24.000 And he's so slick.
01:55:25.000 Like those kicks.
01:55:26.000 Oh my god, they're so fast.
01:55:29.000 Here he is.
01:55:30.000 This is him.
01:55:31.000 This is like a highlight of him.
01:55:32.000 Side kick.
01:55:34.000 He hook kicked that dude. 1.00
01:55:36.000 Hook kicked him.
01:55:36.000 Hook kicked KO. And that's him real young.
01:55:41.000 This is back when he had two eyes.
01:55:44.000 So wait, something happened?
01:55:45.000 Yeah, he got his eye poked.
01:55:47.000 Oh, is that what it was?
01:55:48.000 Yeah, he got his eye poked, had a detached retina, had multiple surgeries on it.
01:55:52.000 Jeez.
01:55:53.000 Yeah.
01:55:55.000 He's just so interesting to watch strike.
01:55:57.000 It's such a fucking devastating kick-heavy style.
01:56:01.000 That's that one right there.
01:56:02.000 You start running into those knees.
01:56:04.000 Those suck. 1.00
01:56:05.000 Yeah.
01:56:05.000 Oh my goodness.
01:56:06.000 Look at this.
01:56:07.000 He's super aggressive too.
01:56:09.000 Oh! 0.60
01:56:10.000 Look at that spinning elbow.
01:56:12.000 My goodness.
01:56:12.000 Look at this.
01:56:13.000 He showed him the knee first too.
01:56:15.000 Yep.
01:56:16.000 Showed him the knee.
01:56:17.000 Dude's hands dropped.
01:56:17.000 I mean, set that up perfect.
01:56:19.000 Set that up perfect.
01:56:21.000 Savage.
01:56:21.000 So spent his whole life kickboxing doing everything else and now...
01:56:27.000 That's the thing, man.
01:56:28.000 These guys that come from an elite-level striking background, every fight starts striking.
01:56:33.000 It does.
01:56:34.000 If they can figure out the takedown defense...
01:56:36.000 Like, Mirko Krokop was the first guy to do it.
01:56:38.000 Yeah.
01:56:38.000 He was the first guy.
01:56:39.000 When he was fighting in Pride, he learned takedown defense and then just started fucking everybody up.
01:56:45.000 I used to look at some of those guys, Krokop, Big Nog, Josh Barnett.
01:56:49.000 I'm like, these dudes are heavyweights.
01:56:51.000 So when I went down to 205, I was like...
01:56:54.000 He's never really a heavyweight.
01:56:56.000 Because those dudes are heavyweight.
01:56:57.000 Their legs are like this big.
01:56:59.000 Huge asses. 1.00
01:57:01.000 Big arms.
01:57:02.000 Aspinall.
01:57:03.000 Aspinall's a heavyweight.
01:57:04.000 That's a big dude.
01:57:05.000 That's a big dude, man.
01:57:07.000 Francis.
01:57:07.000 Francis is a heavyweight.
01:57:09.000 Heavyweight.
01:57:10.000 Sergei.
01:57:11.000 Derek.
01:57:11.000 Those guys are actual heavyweights.
01:57:13.000 Yeah.
01:57:14.000 Yeah, if you can make 205, make 205. Go to 205. That's my advice.
01:57:18.000 Jai Ilton.
01:57:18.000 At some point, Jai Ilton's gonna have to face that.
01:57:20.000 Like, I'm not a heavyweight.
01:57:22.000 It'll be the moment somebody can't take him down.
01:57:25.000 He'll be like, eh, he might get through it.
01:57:27.000 But he might have to reconsider because...
01:57:29.000 It's unfortunate because there was so much hype on him before the Lewis fight.
01:57:33.000 He just didn't fight well.
01:57:35.000 Didn't fight well.
01:57:35.000 It was weird because...
01:57:38.000 Almost like he just wanted to get that W. Wanted to get a victory.
01:57:40.000 I like Derrick, and I think Derrick is great for the sport, but if I submitted him, right?
01:57:48.000 It's like, you're a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.
01:57:50.000 You gotta submit him.
01:57:51.000 You gotta find a way to finish that fight.
01:57:54.000 But Derrick's so strong.
01:57:55.000 He was trying to punch Derrick, and Derrick was just holding his hand with his arms.
01:58:00.000 He's got two arms holding his hands, and so the guy's just stuck.
01:58:05.000 Yeah.
01:58:05.000 That's crazy.
01:58:06.000 How strong must you be to reach up and grab a guy by the hands and not let him hit you?
01:58:16.000 Right.
01:58:17.000 We saw that again just recently.
01:58:18.000 Somebody was doing it.
01:58:19.000 It was Pereira.
01:58:20.000 Pereira was grabbing Uri's hands and not letting him hit him.
01:58:24.000 Yeah.
01:58:25.000 How?
01:58:26.000 The strength.
01:58:26.000 How do you grab someone off your back and hold them enough to make sure they don't hit you?
01:58:31.000 I would imagine if you have really long hands.
01:58:34.000 Yeah, like fingers.
01:58:35.000 Like really big hands and long fingers, and Pejera does. 1.00
01:58:38.000 Yeah.
01:58:38.000 When you see him when he's walking with his hands up, they're fucking huge.
01:58:41.000 They're paddles.
01:58:42.000 He was like...
01:58:43.000 Giant hands.
01:58:44.000 He was like holding him and like Yuri's arm is like going sideways and trying to pull it away.
01:58:47.000 Semi Schilt used to do that to dudes. 1.00
01:58:48.000 Really?
01:58:49.000 Yeah, Semi Schilt used to grab ahold of wrists. 1.00
01:58:51.000 He'll grab ahold of your wrists and his hands were so huge.
01:58:54.000 Remember Semi was like seven feet tall.
01:58:55.000 Yeah, he was like seven foot tall.
01:58:56.000 Those super tall guys, I don't think it benefits them.
01:59:00.000 Stefan Struven, those guys were at such a severe disadvantage because they were so tall.
01:59:03.000 Travis Brown, I don't think he'd be 6'7 and fight MMA. Really?
01:59:07.000 I don't think so.
01:59:08.000 I think it's too tall.
01:59:09.000 Too much leg, too much like they can take you down.
01:59:12.000 I don't think it works.
01:59:14.000 I think the perfect heavyweight, the perfect heavyweight, It's about 6'4", 255, 260. That's what I think.
01:59:23.000 For me, I think that's what the perfect heavyweight looks like.
01:59:27.000 I think the perfect heavyweight is Francis.
01:59:29.000 What's Francis?
01:59:30.000 6'4", 6'5", 260?
01:59:35.000 Yeah, perfect heavyweight.
01:59:36.000 Somewhere in that range.
01:59:38.000 6'4", 6'5", 260. Yes, jacked, strong.
01:59:43.000 That's the perfect heavyweight.
01:59:45.000 Are you bummed out that we don't get to see Jon Jones versus Francis?
01:59:49.000 I am bummed out.
01:59:50.000 I'm so sad about it.
01:59:51.000 I do not like that.
01:59:52.000 That's the one that I wish, and I think now Francis is making so much money boxing he'll never come back.
01:59:58.000 Well, the only way to get him to come back...
02:00:00.000 See, the problem is he signed this contract with the PFL. If he didn't sign a contract, well, who knows?
02:00:06.000 Maybe he wouldn't have got the boxing match.
02:00:07.000 Yeah, he wouldn't have got the boxing.
02:00:08.000 So he goes and he gets this boxing match.
02:00:11.000 Now he's a superstar.
02:00:13.000 He drops Tyson Fury.
02:00:14.000 He beats him up in the eighth round.
02:00:15.000 It was wild.
02:00:16.000 It was crazy to watch.
02:00:17.000 Wild to watch.
02:00:18.000 Crazy to watch.
02:00:20.000 I was on the seat of my fucking chair.
02:00:21.000 Hoping he was winning too.
02:00:22.000 I was grabbing cushions.
02:00:24.000 Please win, please win.
02:00:25.000 Grabbing cushions, twisting in the eighth round.
02:00:27.000 Like, Jesus!
02:00:28.000 Oh my God, he's got him!
02:00:29.000 It felt like he had...
02:00:31.000 It was crazy because every time...
02:00:33.000 And I told this to a boxing guy.
02:00:36.000 I went on an interview.
02:00:38.000 And I said...
02:00:39.000 Even though I believe that Tyson is going to win...
02:00:45.000 I'm an MMA guy, and he's one of ours, so let's go!
02:00:49.000 He's going to beat him!
02:00:49.000 I was like, he's going to knock him out!
02:00:51.000 Then, he started winning, and I was like, oh my god, he might actually win.
02:00:54.000 So while I was rooting for Francis, I didn't necessarily know if he really could beat him.
02:01:00.000 But then when it started to become a little bit closer, I was like, oh my god, has Tyson Fury come on this?
02:01:05.000 Yes.
02:01:05.000 On the show?
02:01:06.000 Yes.
02:01:06.000 He's huge, right?
02:01:07.000 He's giant.
02:01:07.000 He's a monster.
02:01:09.000 Yeah.
02:01:09.000 But he didn't look great against Francis.
02:01:13.000 Do you think that he overestimated himself?
02:01:15.000 Absolutely.
02:01:16.000 You think that's what it was?
02:01:17.000 I think he overlooked Francis.
02:01:18.000 Underestimated Francis.
02:01:20.000 He said going into the fight that his diet was like hamburgers and McDonald's.
02:01:25.000 He said that walking into the fight night.
02:01:30.000 And he hit it with an elbow, too.
02:01:31.000 That was a beautiful elbow.
02:01:32.000 Nice elbow.
02:01:33.000 It was a beautiful elbow.
02:01:34.000 You think that was on purpose?
02:01:35.000 No, he couldn't do that.
02:01:36.000 He couldn't do that again.
02:01:37.000 He couldn't do that again.
02:01:39.000 Unless he knows how to throw an elbow, which I bet he does.
02:01:42.000 I would bet you that Tyson Fury...
02:01:44.000 I mean, not perfect like that, Joe.
02:01:46.000 Oh man, it looked like he was throwing an elbow.
02:01:48.000 But Joe, look at how he turns the elbow over.
02:01:50.000 That's good skills.
02:01:52.000 But of course he would learn that.
02:01:53.000 Why wouldn't he learn that?
02:01:54.000 He knows how to box.
02:01:55.000 He's trying to punch him.
02:01:56.000 It looks like he's trying to throw an overhand.
02:02:00.000 Right?
02:02:00.000 And he just misses.
02:02:02.000 Yeah, I guess maybe.
02:02:03.000 It also could be he's throwing an elbow.
02:02:04.000 I mean, it's not like he doesn't know how to throw it.
02:02:07.000 Just because he knows how to box, you don't think someone's showing him how to throw elbows?
02:02:10.000 I don't think he can throw an elbow.
02:02:11.000 Why not?
02:02:12.000 I just don't believe it.
02:02:13.000 I think, like, look...
02:02:14.000 It could be a hidden skill.
02:02:15.000 I mean, let's see this.
02:02:16.000 Bro, this looks like he is even...
02:02:20.000 I mean, he...
02:02:21.000 I feel like his hand's already turned down.
02:02:25.000 His hand's turned down at range.
02:02:27.000 Did this guy just actually throw an elbow?
02:02:29.000 He's throwing an elbow.
02:02:30.000 He just threw an elbow.
02:02:32.000 So when Francis is saying Tyson cheated, Tyson knew what he was doing?
02:02:36.000 Yeah, it looked like an elbow.
02:02:38.000 I mean, it could be an accident.
02:02:41.000 We don't know.
02:02:42.000 It's perfect.
02:02:43.000 But if that was an MMA fight or a Muay Thai fight, I would say that's a beautiful elbow.
02:02:46.000 Chris Weidman and Mark Munoz.
02:02:48.000 Yes.
02:02:48.000 Do you remember that one?
02:02:49.000 Yes.
02:02:49.000 Oh my God.
02:02:50.000 Just like that.
02:02:51.000 Just like that.
02:02:51.000 But more devastated.
02:02:52.000 But Mark was running into it.
02:02:54.000 Yeah.
02:02:54.000 Oh my God.
02:02:54.000 Mark was trying to get close.
02:02:56.000 Yeah.
02:02:57.000 And Weidman just timed the perfect elbow.
02:02:59.000 Oh my God.
02:03:00.000 Look at this.
02:03:02.000 Oh, my goodness.
02:03:03.000 Perfect time.
02:03:04.000 And remember how bad it split him open?
02:03:05.000 Oh, yeah.
02:03:06.000 Dude, Weidman was a motherfucker.
02:03:07.000 He was the best, wasn't he?
02:03:09.000 He was the best.
02:03:11.000 The one kick with Luke Rockhold changed his whole career.
02:03:15.000 Why did he do that?
02:03:16.000 He did that spinning kick.
02:03:17.000 He should have never did that.
02:03:19.000 But how crazy is it?
02:03:19.000 It's one mistake, dude.
02:03:21.000 Sometimes it's one mistake in there.
02:03:22.000 You make one mistake and it costs you.
02:03:25.000 He did that kick.
02:03:26.000 Luke gets on top.
02:03:28.000 And Luke just beat the shit out of him.
02:03:30.000 Beat the shit out of him.
02:03:31.000 He would have never taken him down.
02:03:33.000 He had never taken Chris down.
02:03:35.000 But when he beat him up that bad that way, he goes, I'm going to take this dude down now.
02:03:39.000 So then he went and chased him down.
02:03:42.000 Rockhold's top pressure.
02:03:44.000 He was so good on top, Joe.
02:03:47.000 Oh my goodness, he was so good on top.
02:03:49.000 Yeah, people don't give him his props.
02:03:50.000 He's one of those guys that his personality has turned people off to the point that they don't respect what he did in the octagon.
02:03:58.000 This guy beat...
02:04:00.000 Tim Kennedy in Strikeforce.
02:04:02.000 He beat Jacare Souza.
02:04:03.000 He beat everybody.
02:04:05.000 Then he became the UFC champion.
02:04:06.000 He beat Bisping once.
02:04:08.000 He beat a lot of good guys.
02:04:10.000 Do you remember the reverse triangle against the guy in Atlanta?
02:04:15.000 What was that guy's name in Atlanta?
02:04:17.000 Luke Rocco did a reverse triangle.
02:04:19.000 It was nasty.
02:04:20.000 I can't remember the guy's name.
02:04:23.000 David Branch?
02:04:24.000 Was it David Branch?
02:04:25.000 Yeah.
02:04:26.000 I mean, he was just, look at this.
02:04:28.000 This is against the big burly cat that was in the UFC back in the day.
02:04:32.000 Tim Bosch, I think his name was.
02:04:34.000 That's right.
02:04:35.000 Luke hits him with the Kimura.
02:04:38.000 Then right here, look at this.
02:04:39.000 He hits a reverse triangle on this dude.
02:04:42.000 That's Bosch too.
02:04:44.000 That's how he got him in the deal.
02:04:47.000 Off the reverse triangle.
02:04:48.000 But it was a black guy that he got with the reverse triangle in Atlanta. 0.82
02:04:52.000 David Branch, I believe, who it was.
02:04:54.000 It was sick.
02:04:55.000 David Branch came after him in the beginning of that round.
02:04:58.000 He caught him a couple of times.
02:05:00.000 Came at Luke.
02:05:01.000 Yeah, unloaded.
02:05:03.000 Unloaded.
02:05:04.000 Thought he could punk him.
02:05:05.000 But you know, Luke's biggest issue was when people realized, and it was Bisping, When people realized that if you hit him, you could hurt him, they started throwing caution to the wind.
02:05:17.000 And that's when he started to struggle.
02:05:19.000 Because we used to beat each other up quite a bit in the gym.
02:05:23.000 Like, it was bad.
02:05:24.000 And when people realized that if you could hit him, You might be able to put him out of there.
02:05:29.000 So then he got knocked out by Mike.
02:05:32.000 Then he got knocked out by Romero.
02:05:36.000 Then he got knocked out by Jan Bohovic.
02:05:38.000 And it was like, if you can get your hands on him, you can put him out.
02:05:42.000 Bohovic, too.
02:05:43.000 That's 205. Yeah, he went up.
02:05:45.000 Bohovic's a big dude.
02:05:46.000 He thought he was going to be okay up there, right?
02:05:48.000 And why would you not?
02:05:49.000 Because you had been training with us for so long.
02:05:51.000 Right.
02:05:51.000 Right?
02:05:52.000 And I had become the champ there.
02:05:53.000 Yeah.
02:05:54.000 You know I didn't know Jan Bohovic and I were in the same weight class?
02:05:57.000 I thought he fought at 185, bro.
02:05:59.000 Really?
02:06:00.000 I swear to God.
02:06:00.000 So then I asked him a question.
02:06:01.000 I was like, well, since you went to 205, he was like, DC. I was like, yeah?
02:06:06.000 He was like, I was ranked in the top 15 while you were the champion, idiot.
02:06:10.000 I was like, really?
02:06:11.000 I had no idea.
02:06:13.000 That's crazy.
02:06:13.000 You didn't even know he was in your weight class.
02:06:15.000 Because when you're the best, when you're the champ, you really are looking one to five.
02:06:22.000 I don't think I ever looked past five.
02:06:24.000 Because I figured I was never going to fight any of those guys.
02:06:27.000 Interesting.
02:06:28.000 It was always gonna be either Glover, Jones, and then they said Volcan owes Demir, and I was like...
02:06:34.000 Same paycheck?
02:06:38.000 I was like, yo, same pay?
02:06:39.000 It was like, yeah, yeah.
02:06:39.000 I was like, alright, yeah.
02:06:40.000 Volcan.
02:06:42.000 Funny.
02:06:43.000 Yuri Prohaska, like, up until this Pajeda fight, he was one of the most interesting guys in the light heavyweight division.
02:06:52.000 Because he just does everything so weird.
02:06:54.000 Yeah, he's a very unorthodox guy, but he's also a guy that was groomed outside of the UFC. One night, he beat C.B. Dalloway and King Mo on the same night.
02:07:07.000 Wow.
02:07:08.000 Yeah, he was the man.
02:07:09.000 So he was ready.
02:07:10.000 That's why he had...
02:07:13.000 Won the UFC title in three fights.
02:07:15.000 He only fought Vulcan when he got there, his first fight.
02:07:19.000 Then he beat Dominic Reyes.
02:07:21.000 Then he beat Glover to become the champ.
02:07:23.000 It's nuts.
02:07:24.000 For me, it's crazy also to see at 205 how between 2010 all the way to 20, nobody had the belt but me and Jon Jones.
02:07:34.000 And then the belt just kept getting passed around.
02:07:36.000 I wonder who is going to be the person that brings stability again.
02:07:41.000 Do you think Pareda can be that long-raining champion?
02:07:45.000 I mean, with Jamal Hill and all those guys out there, they're all so good and so close.
02:07:49.000 They're all so good and so close.
02:07:51.000 And I'm curious to see how his grappling progresses.
02:07:55.000 He has got to get better.
02:07:56.000 Yeah, but it can get better, and Glover's a great coach.
02:08:00.000 It's good to be with Glover to pick up the finer points of grappling, especially grappling for MMA. Is it just about him, when he gets taken down, survive?
02:08:08.000 Because that's what he did against Jan, knowing that he doesn't get tired and he can beat you up.
02:08:13.000 He did it against Uri.
02:08:14.000 Uri beat him in the first round.
02:08:16.000 Same thing.
02:08:16.000 But then every round starts on the feet, like you said.
02:08:19.000 And every round, he's going to chop that calf.
02:08:21.000 And he'll beat you up until eventually he gets you.
02:08:23.000 But at what point does a Bo Nickel or somebody get a hold of him?
02:08:26.000 That's a very good point.
02:08:27.000 He can't get away from him.
02:08:29.000 Well, you know, if Bo goes up to 205. He'd have to go up now, but he was at 85 before.
02:08:33.000 I don't think Pehada's going to drop back down again.
02:08:34.000 No, he's not.
02:08:35.000 He said he's not.
02:08:35.000 What is he, 35 now?
02:08:37.000 34, 35?
02:08:38.000 It's so crazy when you see him.
02:08:39.000 You think he's young.
02:08:41.000 He's in his mid-30s.
02:08:42.000 Well, he had a long kickboxing career.
02:08:45.000 He literally was in that bar in Brazil and Izzy had to say something.
02:08:49.000 Did you ever see his fight with Dustin Jacoby?
02:08:51.000 No, no.
02:08:52.000 Dustin Jacoby was a really good kickboxer?
02:08:54.000 Very good kickboxer.
02:08:55.000 Wow.
02:08:56.000 He's a good athlete.
02:08:56.000 He was a quarterback, I think, in football or something.
02:08:59.000 Pejeda shot his lights out with a left hook.
02:09:01.000 Knocked him out?
02:09:02.000 That left hook is nasty. 0.52
02:09:03.000 It's brutal.
02:09:04.000 He's so good.
02:09:05.000 This is like the first time I think I saw Pejeda fight was this fight.
02:09:08.000 See, you can find that.
02:09:10.000 I think this was the first time I saw him fight.
02:09:12.000 He's so good, bro.
02:09:12.000 And I was just like, whoa.
02:09:15.000 Like, that is extraordinary power.
02:09:17.000 And then I'm like, I'm gonna keep my eye on this dude.
02:09:19.000 Yeah.
02:09:20.000 And I watched a few of his fights.
02:09:21.000 The Justin Willis fight was insane.
02:09:23.000 Let's see that.
02:09:27.000 I mean, dude, that's just a different kind of power.
02:09:30.000 That left hook is nasty. 0.52
02:09:32.000 Let me see that again.
02:09:33.000 That is just a different kind of power.
02:09:35.000 He always lifts his knee, too.
02:09:38.000 That's nasty.
02:09:45.000 Who hits harder than that, dude?
02:09:46.000 I don't think anybody does.
02:09:48.000 I don't think anybody does.
02:09:48.000 I really don't think anybody does.
02:09:50.000 Find the Justin Willness fight.
02:09:53.000 Excuse me, Jason.
02:09:54.000 And when these guys are going down, they're like out.
02:09:58.000 Yeah.
02:09:58.000 That's the crazy thing about the way he hits guys.
02:10:00.000 It's different.
02:10:01.000 Yeah.
02:10:02.000 His power is just, it's nuclear.
02:10:05.000 And what about your boy Uri?
02:10:06.000 He was like, yeah, the stoppage was fine.
02:10:08.000 Yeah, he said that, but then afterwards he changed his mind.
02:10:11.000 Yeah.
02:10:12.000 Watch this.
02:10:13.000 Those legs.
02:10:15.000 Nice outside low kick.
02:10:17.000 By the way, Willemus is like a legit world champion.
02:10:19.000 Really?
02:10:20.000 Yeah.
02:10:20.000 Legit world champion.
02:10:22.000 This is a high-level fight.
02:10:24.000 Pereira, he's tall, man.
02:10:26.000 Sweat this.
02:10:27.000 Oh! 0.60
02:10:28.000 Head kick.
02:10:29.000 Oh, my goodness.
02:10:35.000 Now wait for the end.
02:10:36.000 That looked like it hit his hand.
02:10:39.000 Gee, what power that Pereira had.
02:10:42.000 Oh! 0.60
02:10:44.000 That's that same knee from before.
02:10:45.000 See, but there's Joe.
02:10:47.000 Look at this, Joe.
02:10:48.000 Now tell me this guy's not done.
02:10:50.000 To my point about boxing, tell me Willis is not done.
02:10:54.000 And you're counting.
02:10:55.000 Right?
02:10:56.000 He was already counting.
02:10:57.000 If that guy could have got up at 8 or 9, they would have let him go back to fight Pereira.
02:11:03.000 Bro, that knee is fucking brutal.
02:11:05.000 That's the one he got the guy with in the beginning.
02:11:06.000 In the UFC. You know, so when you see a guy like that that's doing that at two different weight classes in kickboxing, you can't wait to see a guy like that fight now in MMA. I want to ask you this.
02:11:18.000 Okay.
02:11:19.000 Alex Volkanovski, right?
02:11:22.000 He spoke about, after the fight with Islam, how he was in his own head when he didn't have anything.
02:11:29.000 Now he's fighting against Ilya Teporia very quickly.
02:11:33.000 I wonder a lot if Alex Volkanovski will have any lingering effects from that knockout because when we see him we're all like raving he's the best.
02:11:42.000 Yeah.
02:11:42.000 Is it just as simple as him just going back down to 45 and he'll be fine again because Taboria is a monster bro.
02:11:48.000 Taboria is a monster and that's a fight you don't want to take if you're compromised.
02:11:52.000 Yeah.
02:11:52.000 And it's also a fight that he could have just waited for.
02:11:55.000 You know, I'm all in favor of making wild fights.
02:11:59.000 And when Dana White was like, it's gonna be Volkanovski vs.
02:12:03.000 Makachev 2!
02:12:04.000 I'm like, oh shit!
02:12:05.000 Take my money! 0.56
02:12:07.000 Yeah, let's go!
02:12:07.000 I'm like, take my money!
02:12:08.000 Let's go!
02:12:09.000 But if I was Alex's friend...
02:12:12.000 And we were talking about this.
02:12:13.000 If you asked me my advice, I'd have to think about it a lot.
02:12:16.000 Yeah.
02:12:17.000 Because I would think, I know you believe you can beat him because you almost beat him in the first fight.
02:12:22.000 However, you had a full camp.
02:12:24.000 Yes.
02:12:25.000 How much better are you with a full camp?
02:12:27.000 You're better.
02:12:27.000 He's way better.
02:12:28.000 Everyone's better.
02:12:29.000 Way better.
02:12:30.000 No one is better with no camp, right?
02:12:33.000 Can we agree?
02:12:33.000 Yes, absolutely.
02:12:34.000 Especially if you're not injured in camp, no one's better with no camp.
02:12:38.000 Yeah, nobody.
02:12:39.000 Doesn't work.
02:12:40.000 So it's dependent upon how hard you were training.
02:12:43.000 How hard were you training before you took this fight on 10 days notice?
02:12:46.000 Were you preparing for potentially fighting two months from now and you already ramped up training and you already have like real good cardio and you're already sparring?
02:12:53.000 Or have you been just kind of fucking off here and there and then you're like, I can fucking do it.
02:12:59.000 Because I can fucking do it is not a good strategy against the best pound for pound fighter in the world.
02:13:05.000 You want to camp.
02:13:07.000 Like a rematch was gonna happen anyway.
02:13:09.000 It had to happen.
02:13:11.000 You don't take that rematch, in my opinion, with ten days notice.
02:13:15.000 That seems insane.
02:13:17.000 And the only reason...
02:13:19.000 You want 10 weeks?
02:13:19.000 You want 10 weeks.
02:13:20.000 But the only reason anyone thought he had an opportunity was because of how great he is.
02:13:25.000 Yes.
02:13:25.000 Right?
02:13:26.000 If he wasn't so great, nobody would have ever thought he had a chance.
02:13:29.000 Right.
02:13:29.000 But because of his greatness, I worry that because of his greatness, we're going to believe that come February or January...
02:13:40.000 He's gonna fight Teporia, and you almost expect the same thing. 0.98
02:13:45.000 But what if it's too soon?
02:13:47.000 And listen, even if he wasn't compromised, even if he didn't fight Islam, Teporia's a nightmare. 1.00
02:13:55.000 Yes, he is.
02:13:56.000 He's a nightmare.
02:13:57.000 Yeah.
02:13:57.000 He's scary.
02:13:58.000 What he did to Josh Emmett, I was like, oh, man.
02:14:01.000 He's nasty.
02:14:02.000 What he did to Bryce Mitchell, like, oh, man.
02:14:04.000 He's so good, and he's so skilled, and he's got great boxing, got great taking on defense.
02:14:09.000 Great everything, everywhere.
02:14:10.000 I got knocked out by Jones in Anaheim, and I got called for a fight in late September.
02:14:17.000 And I said, no.
02:14:19.000 I need time.
02:14:20.000 I need to let my brain heal.
02:14:23.000 He got knocked out in October.
02:14:25.000 He's gonna fight in February.
02:14:26.000 Yeah.
02:14:27.000 It's fast, man.
02:14:28.000 I just...
02:14:30.000 And he got knocked out by a shin.
02:14:31.000 A shin. 0.56
02:14:32.000 A shin with a head.
02:14:33.000 It's a little bit worrisome for me, and I like Volk.
02:14:36.000 He's the man.
02:14:37.000 But then again, Izzy knocked Pejera out cold. 0.99
02:14:41.000 Yep, in November.
02:14:42.000 And then three months later, he's fighting Jan Bojovic.
02:14:46.000 Oh yeah, and fought better.
02:14:48.000 He got knocked out in April, won in July.
02:14:51.000 Out cold.
02:14:52.000 I mean, Volkanovski wasn't out cold.
02:14:55.000 No, he was not out cold.
02:14:56.000 Yeah, this guy was asleep.
02:14:58.000 And Izzy was above him, shooting arrows into his body.
02:15:01.000 Doing some crazy stuff, right?
02:15:02.000 And then three months later, that dude's fighting Jan Bohovic.
02:15:05.000 Ayo, six months later, he's the world champion.
02:15:09.000 Alec Ferreira.
02:15:10.000 I mean, he's had one of the quickest rides, the absolute quickest to two titles.
02:15:14.000 I've never seen anything like that.
02:15:16.000 Nothing's ever been like that.
02:15:17.000 No, never in my life.
02:15:18.000 The thing is, man, if the dude really can just survive under everybody if he gets taken down and then just beats your legs up, it's a real problem.
02:15:27.000 He beats your legs up and then he forces you to make a mistake and he takes advantage every single time.
02:15:33.000 But I think Jamal Hill's a real challenge for him.
02:15:36.000 You think so?
02:15:37.000 The unorthodox?
02:15:38.000 Jamal's a sniper, man.
02:15:40.000 He finds chins. 0.96
02:15:42.000 Jamal said he's not going to take him down.
02:15:44.000 He said he's not taking him down.
02:15:45.000 He's going to knock him out.
02:15:47.000 He said, I'm not taking him down.
02:15:50.000 I'm going to knock him out.
02:15:51.000 He might.
02:15:52.000 I think I would take him down.
02:15:54.000 Well, who knows?
02:15:55.000 I would try to take him down.
02:15:56.000 I would definitely not give him just a stand-up fight.
02:16:01.000 Jamal's got some nasty hands, man.
02:16:03.000 He does.
02:16:03.000 He really does have some nasty hands.
02:16:06.000 He promises to KO Alex Bejeda standing.
02:16:10.000 Yeah.
02:16:10.000 You know, I have never seen him fight anybody of that caliber.
02:16:15.000 Yeah.
02:16:15.000 Yet.
02:16:16.000 But I think he's capable.
02:16:18.000 He's very capable.
02:16:19.000 You know, what he did to Glover was very impressive.
02:16:22.000 Dude, he just beat him up.
02:16:23.000 Just beat him up.
02:16:23.000 He really did just beat him up.
02:16:25.000 I mean, when you think how Uri struggled with Glover, and then Jamal Hill just pieced him up.
02:16:30.000 Jamal just pieced him.
02:16:31.000 He just kept touching him and touching him and touching him.
02:16:33.000 And it was clever.
02:16:34.000 It was smooth.
02:16:34.000 He's so unorthodox.
02:16:36.000 He does these weird movements where he's kind of like back behind his head and chest or behind his feet.
02:16:43.000 He's like...
02:16:44.000 But it works.
02:16:45.000 It works.
02:16:46.000 It works.
02:16:46.000 He's developed a style for him.
02:16:48.000 And he's got power.
02:16:48.000 He's got power.
02:16:49.000 He's got real power.
02:16:49.000 He's so big.
02:16:50.000 That Johnny Walker KO. He's so big for the weight.
02:16:53.000 He's huge.
02:16:54.000 Yeah.
02:16:54.000 I mean, right now he's as big as I've ever seen him.
02:16:56.000 But he's like huge for the weight class.
02:16:59.000 How much more time does he need for his Achilles?
02:17:01.000 It's going to be a little bit.
02:17:02.000 Yeah.
02:17:02.000 He's not Aaron Rodgers.
02:17:04.000 Hey bro, you know what's some of the funniest shit I've ever seen in my life?
02:17:06.000 What?
02:17:08.000 You know what I'm gonna say.
02:17:10.000 When Aaron Rodgers was...
02:17:11.000 Something happened with Aaron Rodgers and he said you told him something?
02:17:14.000 Yeah.
02:17:15.000 That was the craziest shit.
02:17:16.000 I was like, Joe's a doctor.
02:17:17.000 He was telling me all this stuff.
02:17:19.000 He was saying all this stuff and I was like, wow.
02:17:21.000 He did it.
02:17:22.000 But now I'll never question you are Aaron Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers is about to play football 11 weeks after Terry's killings.
02:17:30.000 What is he doing?
02:17:31.000 How?
02:17:33.000 You'd probably have to ask him.
02:17:35.000 You know him?
02:17:36.000 Yep.
02:17:37.000 Tell him!
02:17:38.000 Do you need to tell me what he's doing?
02:17:39.000 I'll tell you later.
02:17:40.000 This dude is somehow playing after 11 weeks?
02:17:43.000 Yeah.
02:17:44.000 That's crazy!
02:17:45.000 Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
02:17:46.000 Joe, when I saw him on the field throwing that football, I could not believe it.
02:17:50.000 He tore his Achilles.
02:17:53.000 Yeah.
02:17:54.000 Seven weeks later, he was on the field throwing passes.
02:17:57.000 He got cleared for football activities this week.
02:18:02.000 How?
02:18:02.000 He's 40. Yeah, there's a lot of modern science going on here.
02:18:08.000 Get out of here, man!
02:18:10.000 This shit is crazy, man.
02:18:12.000 I'm like, when I start feeling bad, I'm not calling nobody but you.
02:18:15.000 I want you to tell me how to feel better.
02:18:17.000 How?
02:18:19.000 How?
02:18:20.000 If I had to guess, like, if I didn't know, I would tell you peptides.
02:18:24.000 If you had to guess.
02:18:26.000 Okay.
02:18:26.000 If I didn't know, I'd tell you peptides.
02:18:28.000 Yes.
02:18:28.000 Because, dude, how?
02:18:30.000 Like, this guy is...
02:18:31.000 That's what I think people should be using for the UFC. This is the argument for peptides, if that's what he's using.
02:18:36.000 I'm not saying he is.
02:18:38.000 But that's the argument, is that they help you heal.
02:18:40.000 And when you're dealing with all these issues, like John Jones.
02:18:43.000 Like, John Jones should be able to get some peptides.
02:18:45.000 If he did peptides, would it help his...
02:18:47.000 Yes, it would help his recovery.
02:18:50.000 Can I see that picture of Aaron Rodgers again?
02:18:51.000 He looked good out there, too.
02:18:53.000 Could you imagine being in the Jets, though?
02:18:54.000 Oh, man.
02:18:55.000 Dude, it was perfect.
02:18:56.000 He runs out.
02:18:57.000 He's carrying this huge American flag.
02:18:59.000 That place was loud.
02:19:00.000 I don't watch the Jets.
02:19:02.000 I don't know if you watch football.
02:19:03.000 I do.
02:19:04.000 Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets was like, the Jets have been terrible for a long time.
02:19:10.000 They have the world.
02:19:12.000 I like they have the world.
02:19:15.000 Everything's going for them.
02:19:17.000 His legs look jacked too.
02:19:19.000 They look jacked.
02:19:20.000 Look at him.
02:19:21.000 He's just like stepping up on his toe and everything.
02:19:23.000 That's crazy.
02:19:25.000 Wild.
02:19:25.000 He runs out with that massive flag.
02:19:27.000 Look at the calves on that motherfucker. 1.00
02:19:29.000 The place is going crazy and then he tears his Achilles.
02:19:33.000 And then they had that young kid as their quarterback.
02:19:35.000 But could you imagine watching this guy work Playing football.
02:19:42.000 I saw a video on that Hard Knocks thing.
02:19:45.000 And they have these circles, Joe.
02:19:47.000 These circles.
02:19:48.000 They're targets.
02:19:49.000 And that thing was 20 yards away.
02:19:52.000 And every time he would throw, he's like, top right.
02:19:56.000 And it would just go inside that little thing every time.
02:19:59.000 Bottom left.
02:20:00.000 Inside.
02:20:00.000 He never missed.
02:20:02.000 He was so accurate.
02:20:03.000 He was so accurate.
02:20:05.000 He was saying, it's like, A in the Rogan.
02:20:08.000 Bam! 0.98
02:20:09.000 Bam! 0.98
02:20:10.000 That American flag at the top.
02:20:11.000 Inside the bucket.
02:20:12.000 He never missed.
02:20:14.000 Wow.
02:20:15.000 That dude's sick, man.
02:20:16.000 Well, you want to imagine the practice involved in getting that good at throwing a football?
02:20:20.000 So accurate.
02:20:21.000 How many hours has that guy put in?
02:20:23.000 And that football's like this big.
02:20:24.000 Yeah.
02:20:24.000 Have you ever grabbed an NFL football?
02:20:25.000 It's huge.
02:20:27.000 I can't even get my hands on it.
02:20:28.000 I've got small hands for a fighter, though, but...
02:20:31.000 It's huge.
02:20:32.000 And then you look at the receivers.
02:20:34.000 I went to a golf course in Florida, and when I walked up, it was Chris Carter from the Vikings.
02:20:41.000 Dude's fingers were all broken and turned sideways because I said, what happened to your hands?
02:20:48.000 He goes, catching footballs.
02:20:49.000 Wow.
02:20:50.000 From all them great quarterbacks.
02:20:52.000 When dudes that play with Brett Favre, their hands are tore up because he's throwing so hard that he's knocking their fingers back and stuff.
02:21:00.000 Wow.
02:21:01.000 Can you believe that?
02:21:02.000 I can.
02:21:03.000 It makes sense.
02:21:05.000 I mean, if you catch one on the tip of your finger when you're trying to grab it, it gets yanked back.
02:21:09.000 And they gotta throw it fast because these DBs are, like, whoever guarding you is so, there's like a short window to get it in there.
02:21:17.000 Dude, it's nuts.
02:21:18.000 Football, that's crazy.
02:21:20.000 How long before you think MMA gets to the point where you see athletes of that caliber consistently entering to MMA? It's going to be a little bit.
02:21:30.000 I think it'll be a little bit.
02:21:31.000 You know why?
02:21:32.000 Because if you have that ability to play football, they go play football because the money's so big.
02:21:37.000 Right.
02:21:37.000 But could you imagine a Fred Warner?
02:21:41.000 He's a linebacker for the 49ers, the best in the game.
02:21:44.000 How about when Herschel Walker started fighting in Strikeforce in his 40s?
02:21:48.000 And still was okay.
02:21:49.000 And fucking people up.
02:21:51.000 I got some crazy shit about Herschel.
02:21:52.000 Tell me.
02:21:53.000 Dude, Herschel ate one time a day.
02:21:56.000 Yeah, I heard that.
02:21:57.000 He would eat soup and bread one time a day.
02:22:00.000 And he stayed at this great hotel called the Fairmont.
02:22:03.000 And I think he was staying there free because Herschel Walker owns this massive chicken company.
02:22:07.000 He provides chicken to McDonald's.
02:22:10.000 Herschel Walker's chicken is like the...
02:22:12.000 I think he provides chicken to McDonald's and all these big companies.
02:22:16.000 And the Fairmont was one of them, so he stayed there.
02:22:17.000 He ate soup once a day.
02:22:19.000 And Herschel Walker, while he was very athletic, Joe, he never picked up his feet.
02:22:24.000 So his feet would kind of like drag on the ground.
02:22:27.000 Fucker would shock the shit out you every time he punched, dog.
02:22:30.000 Herschel was getting static electric in his feet because he never picked them up and the fucker would hit and it would shock you.
02:22:37.000 That's crazy.
02:22:37.000 Constantly.
02:22:38.000 And he would knock people out.
02:22:40.000 And bro, he's like when he...
02:22:42.000 Herschel Walker, I think it's documented that he has...
02:22:48.000 Like we talked about, Mike Tyson.
02:22:49.000 Like that guy that lives in that world and then the guy that we see daily.
02:22:53.000 I think Herschel, it's documented that he has some of these issues.
02:22:57.000 Like a personality?
02:22:58.000 Like a personality.
02:23:00.000 The first time he fought in Strikeforce, we're in the HP at San Jose.
02:23:05.000 And we're getting ready to go out and he starts going crazy.
02:23:11.000 Cursing at himself.
02:23:12.000 I'm going to kick your ass. 0.99
02:23:14.000 But all I've ever heard from her show was like very soft-spoken, you know, talking about religion and everything.
02:23:21.000 He turned into a completely different person.
02:23:24.000 When he walked into that octagon, he went off.
02:23:27.000 Right here.
02:23:28.000 Bro, he was saying some crazy shit to himself.
02:23:31.000 Was this his first fight?
02:23:31.000 First fight.
02:23:32.000 Yeah, bro.
02:23:33.000 I cornered him, Joe.
02:23:35.000 How old was he?
02:23:36.000 44 years old.
02:23:37.000 45 or 46, something like that.
02:23:39.000 But look at his feet.
02:23:40.000 See how his feet never come up?
02:23:42.000 Mm-hmm.
02:23:42.000 It was always static.
02:23:45.000 Look at him.
02:23:46.000 Look at him.
02:23:47.000 That's what I'm talking about.
02:23:50.000 Oh, my God.
02:23:50.000 He just started getting mad.
02:23:51.000 Dude, I'm telling you.
02:23:53.000 He did that in the back before we went out there.
02:23:56.000 Watch out.
02:23:57.000 He just got mad.
02:24:01.000 He got mad, bro.
02:24:03.000 But he tapped into that other person.
02:24:04.000 That's a nice combination, too, to drop him.
02:24:06.000 He tapped into that other person.
02:24:09.000 Who is he fighting here?
02:24:12.000 Yeah, no, Strikeforce was the best at this, bro.
02:24:15.000 Strikeforce would always get you dudes that you knew you'd be okay against.
02:24:19.000 Strikeforce was the best at that.
02:24:21.000 What do you think about this?
02:24:22.000 I would fight dudes and then they would never be a Strikeforce again.
02:24:25.000 Oh, really?
02:24:26.000 In the beginning.
02:24:26.000 There'd be a guy, he'd fight me, I would beat him, and then I'd never see him again.
02:24:31.000 So they just got you good fights?
02:24:33.000 They would get me fights. 0.91
02:24:34.000 Because my first fight was in Strikeforce.
02:24:36.000 So I'd fight like...
02:24:37.000 So if I was a wrestler, it was like another kid who was a wrestler, but he was a high school wrestler.
02:24:42.000 So then, push come to shove, Daniel can out-wrestle this dude.
02:24:46.000 One dude was my training partner.
02:24:48.000 I had a really good sparring session against him.
02:24:52.000 Next week I needed an opponent.
02:24:54.000 That dude was in there.
02:24:55.000 I knocked him out.
02:24:56.000 It was the first time I knocked somebody out!
02:24:58.000 Yeah, well the Strikeforce was really good about that.
02:25:00.000 What do you think about Bellator and the PFL combining?
02:25:04.000 Do you think that's gonna lead to anything?
02:25:07.000 Isn't it interesting that like people don't care that much about shit that's outside the UFC? Isn't it crazy?
02:25:13.000 Because the UFC has developed such a lead on everybody it's nuts.
02:25:17.000 Yeah.
02:25:17.000 It's like it really is like now whereas before when Strikeforce got absorbed You had Ronda and Nick Diaz and Gilbert Melendez and myself and Luke Rockhold and Jacare and Josh Thompson and Alistair Overeem and Josh Burnett and all these guys, right?
02:25:37.000 So it felt like not a competitor, but at least a legit number two where you had championship-level fighters fighting.
02:25:44.000 Bellator has that.
02:25:45.000 But the UFC has now grown to a point where it's like the NFL in fighting.
02:25:53.000 And as there is nothing else in basketball that we compare to the NBA or to the NFL, CFL, XFL, all that, that's how it is with UFC. So it's like no matter what they do, it's never going to feel as important.
02:26:08.000 When in reality, you have some really good fighters.
02:26:10.000 Some really good.
02:26:11.000 Patchy Mix is really good.
02:26:13.000 Johnny Ebelin is really good, but...
02:26:15.000 As long as they're not fighting inside that octagon, it'll be hard for them to feel like it.
02:26:21.000 But I think it's good.
02:26:22.000 I think you're taking the number two and three promotions in the world, combining them.
02:26:26.000 It's just crazy that even in doing that, it still feels like a distant second to the UFC. Yeah, I think it's always going to be that way.
02:26:35.000 As long as the UFC doesn't fall apart, like if Dana leaves.
02:26:38.000 Yeah, Dana can't leave, bro.
02:26:40.000 They could sell it again.
02:26:41.000 They could sell it again, but I mean, why would they?
02:26:43.000 Why would it never ever sell that?
02:26:45.000 They shouldn't.
02:26:46.000 Someone could come along, like the Saudis could come along.
02:26:50.000 What about when the Saudis just bought the PGA Tour?
02:26:53.000 I'm like, how are you going to buy the PGA Tour?
02:26:56.000 You don't think they could do that with the UFC? Yeah, they could buy anything.
02:26:59.000 A lot of money.
02:27:01.000 They just overvalue it.
02:27:02.000 They could, but...
02:27:03.000 They easily could.
02:27:04.000 They could just buy anything.
02:27:06.000 It's going to be interesting to see if someone with this new merger, if they change the name, if they stick with the PFL, what are they going to do?
02:27:15.000 So what I heard is Bellator does pretty good overseas, so they're going to run their events over there.
02:27:21.000 Oh.
02:27:22.000 Right?
02:27:22.000 So it's going to kind of become an international company.
02:27:25.000 Okay.
02:27:25.000 And then...
02:27:26.000 And the PFL is going to be where they...
02:27:28.000 State of PFL. Right?
02:27:30.000 And they'll do like a champion versus champion thing.
02:27:32.000 ESPN just extended their contract with the PFL. But there's no mention of Bellator.
02:27:37.000 Right?
02:27:39.000 You know, I really want to see Johnny Eblen in the UFC. I do.
02:27:43.000 I do.
02:27:44.000 He's good, man.
02:27:44.000 He's very good.
02:27:45.000 He's a very good fighter.
02:27:46.000 Very good.
02:27:47.000 You see that fight with Leon's brother?
02:27:49.000 Yes.
02:27:49.000 But could he fight at 185 in the UFC or does he have to go to 70?
02:27:52.000 He doesn't look that big.
02:27:54.000 We'll find out.
02:27:54.000 I think he would have to probably go to 170, right?
02:27:57.000 Even like the 205-pounder.
02:27:59.000 Nemkov? 0.78
02:28:00.000 Nemkov.
02:28:01.000 He'd have to go to 85. Because he's good, but he's just not that big.
02:28:05.000 What kind of testing are they doing over?
02:28:06.000 Not much, right?
02:28:08.000 That's another reason I'm saying that without saying it.
02:28:11.000 I think those guys would probably have to get a little smaller than...
02:28:15.000 To fight at their right weight classes, but I think it's a big deal.
02:28:19.000 I just think that...
02:28:21.000 I'm just happy if the fighters are getting more money.
02:28:23.000 Yes.
02:28:24.000 I like these million dollar contracts.
02:28:26.000 I think that's great.
02:28:26.000 Guys are making more money today than they've ever made.
02:28:28.000 Olivier Albon-Mercier just got a million dollars.
02:28:30.000 Two! 0.99
02:28:31.000 He won that twice.
02:28:32.000 Yeah, he won that two times in a row.
02:28:34.000 He would have never made that.
02:28:35.000 No.
02:28:36.000 Partly due, because he wouldn't have been able to find that level of success.
02:28:40.000 Right.
02:28:40.000 Right?
02:28:41.000 Those guys are too tough.
02:28:42.000 Even Derrick Brunson.
02:28:43.000 Like, Derrick Brunson had not looked great in his last few UFC appearances.
02:28:48.000 He went to the PFL, looked fantastic.
02:28:50.000 Looked fantastic.
02:28:51.000 And now he's back on the right track, so good for him.
02:28:54.000 I gotta wrap this up, DC. Yeah, that's fine, baby.
02:28:56.000 It was awesome.
02:28:57.000 I got shows tonight.
02:28:57.000 Oh, I'm coming.
02:28:58.000 Yeah, I'm so happy we got to have.
02:29:00.000 Dude, I'm actually coming to the show.
02:29:01.000 I can't wait.
02:29:02.000 I watched you in Chicago once, and I'm coming to watch you again.
02:29:05.000 Let's go.
02:29:05.000 Let's go, Joe.
02:29:06.000 Thanks for having me, brother.
02:29:07.000 All right, bye, everybody.
02:29:08.000 You're the man.