The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #153 with Joe Pyfer

00:00:00.000 Joe Rogan podcast check it out the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day what's up Joe What's up, Joe?

00:00:15.000 So we should say right away, off the bat, because people don't know, you really did break Francis Ngannou's punch record.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, so I don't know what the confusion is, you know, I didn't want to...

00:00:27.000 A lot of people, they doubt it just because he's so big.

00:00:30.000 So I'm going to post it.

00:00:32.000 Well, we just sent it to Jamie.

00:00:34.000 You sent one where you went to 170. Yeah, 170. So you got Eddie Hall.

00:00:45.000 He got 113. And Francis had gotten 129. We're trying to break Ngannou's record right now.

00:00:52.000 I had already hit four times.

00:00:57.000 Woo! 0.99

00:00:59.000 Smashed it.

00:01:01.000 Now, the only thing that...

00:01:02.000 So, this is the thing that people don't understand, though, is...

00:01:05.000 It's the same machine.

00:01:07.000 I think everybody thought it was like one of those punching bags that are down at the boardwalk.

00:01:11.000 And, you know, it's aggravating because I pride myself in my power. 0.91

00:01:16.000 I want to hurt you.

00:01:18.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

00:01:18.000 Like, that's my intention. 0.98

00:01:20.000 I mean, we all throw at power, right?

00:01:22.000 But I feel like I have a little different intention sometimes.

00:01:25.000 So, you know, I've always prided myself in hitting hard.

00:01:27.000 I've always felt like I hit harder than everybody.

00:01:30.000 Now sure, I'm sure Francis' punch feels different than mine, but I got speed, I got power, and I walk at like 220 when I'm out of camp.

00:01:38.000 So I'm not a small guy, you know what I mean?

00:01:41.000 I'm 6'2", 220 when I'm hitting that.

00:01:44.000 And even then, probably there, I was probably light because I was injured.

00:01:47.000 So I was probably about 212, 214 when I hit that.

00:01:50.000 And just to put it up, I'm going to post it whenever I get back home.

00:01:56.000 And I'm going to post a video and I'm going to post a picture also of me hitting higher than that at 181. I only have the picture, but Tuco, who's Brendan Allen's coach, was there.

00:02:05.000 I think someone has kicked it up to like 187. I think that's the newest high kick, which is crazy.

00:02:13.000 Kick?

00:02:13.000 Yeah.

00:02:13.000 Your punch is that close to a kick.

00:02:16.000 Yeah. 0.72

00:02:17.000 That's pretty nuts.

00:02:18.000 Now, get it.

00:02:19.000 It's a standstill object, right?

00:02:21.000 Yeah. 0.80

00:02:21.000 I can smash that thing. 0.80

00:02:22.000 Right. 0.66

00:02:24.000 But I've been...

00:02:25.000 I was trying to see who did it.

00:02:27.000 Here's Alja and Wonderboy kicking it.

00:02:30.000 There's someone who just did 189. I don't know who that is.

00:02:33.000 Lorenz Larkin.

00:02:34.000 That's Lorenz Larkin.

00:02:35.000 Yeah, I think he's got the record now.

00:02:37.000 Lorenz, who used to fight in the UFC now, I guess he's with the PFL now, right?

00:02:41.000 I thought he was Bellator.

00:02:43.000 Well, Bellator is the PFL now.

00:02:45.000 Yeah, but Lorenz got 189. Oh, Jesus!

00:02:49.000 He got 235? 1.00

00:02:50.000 Lorenz can fucking kick hard. 0.99

00:02:52.000 That's a super underrated dude. 0.98

00:02:54.000 I always go to his fight with Neil Magny.

00:02:58.000 Go watch that fight. 0.90

00:02:59.000 Jesus.

00:03:00.000 I would love to see Diego Lima.

00:03:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:02.000 He's another one.

00:03:03.000 Yeah.

00:03:04.000 Jose.

00:03:04.000 There's probably quite a few guys that can kick like that, but Lorenz, like, if you watch him, that technique is just perfect.

00:03:12.000 He's perfect.

00:03:13.000 The way he switches his hips, the way he turns his body into it, it's just maximizing it.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, I mean, it's really, I mean, some people, it's weird, you know, for me because a lot of people think I have natural power.

00:03:26.000 And I get annoyed with it because I've never had anything natural in my life.

00:03:30.000 Everything was difficult.

00:03:31.000 Learning it, learning jujitsu, learning how to box.

00:03:34.000 Everything was hard for me to learn.

00:03:36.000 So I have a bitter chip on my shoulder when people are trying to discredit it with natural power.

00:03:40.000 I don't know.

00:03:41.000 There is a thing, though, where you could unlock horsepower in a human being, but you only have so much when it comes to power.

00:03:51.000 There are certain people, and I think we've all seen them, they just don't hit hard.

00:03:56.000 Whatever reason and they look big they can look strong and then there's certain guys that for whatever reason they fucking hit crazy hard and they're not that big and a lot of it is Efficiency and fluidity and the technique and the leverage and that's all learned right, but there's like a certain thing to like Bone structure and just natural power. 0.97

00:04:20.000 My bones got to be trashed, Joe, because I'm fucking having two surgeries and being beat up. 0.80

00:04:25.000 I just think it's the amount of power that you generate. 0.99

00:04:27.000 I mean, that's probably a lot of it, too.

00:04:29.000 It's probably a corny thing to say, but I was told that I almost generate too much force for my bone density to handle.

00:04:36.000 I don't know how true that is.

00:04:37.000 I don't know if they were just kind of stroking my ego.

00:04:40.000 Well, it makes sense.

00:04:40.000 That's why your hands break.

00:04:42.000 When people's hands break, that's why they break, because you're literally generating Too much force for your bone structure.

00:04:47.000 Yeah.

00:04:48.000 Dude, when you fought Razak Al Hasan, you are on...

00:04:53.000 There's a thing that happens with fighters where you see them, you see anxiety, you see first fight, you see nerves, you see jitters, you see skills, but it's hard to see the full range of them.

00:05:07.000 And then they start getting comfortable.

00:05:09.000 And when they start getting comfortable, like the Mirshard fight, you just stomped him.

00:05:14.000 But the Razak Alhassan fight, like, dude, you were on another level. 0.99

00:05:19.000 That's like, when people talk about a guy in the gym, like, dude, you gotta see this motherfucker in the gym. 0.96

00:05:25.000 And then, seeing that manifest itself inside the octagon, to me, that's one of my favorite things to see. 0.97

00:05:33.000 I love watching guys show their potential.

00:05:36.000 You know, and in that fight, Razak al-Hasan is a beast. 0.97

00:05:39.000 Yeah, he's a dog. 0.97

00:05:40.000 He's a dangerous dude. 1.00

00:05:42.000 And you just put on a fucking show in that fight. 1.00

00:05:44.000 You looked like you were on a completely different level. 0.99

00:05:47.000 Like you had gone up several rungs from where you were before.

00:05:51.000 You know what's crazy about it though?

00:05:52.000 The whole process of what's gotten me to that point has been nothing shy of just...

00:05:59.000 Man, if I'm mentally happy, I'm gonna destroy everybody.

00:06:04.000 But I often struggle mentally.

00:06:06.000 Bro, I didn't turn it on.

00:06:08.000 My coaches were all scared in the back just because they know me so well.

00:06:12.000 I'm an emotional dude.

00:06:13.000 I wear my heart on my sleeve.

00:06:14.000 I say how I feel.

00:06:16.000 You don't really have to read the room.

00:06:18.000 You can read my face.

00:06:19.000 You understand where I'm at.

00:06:20.000 And I'm not shy to say where I'm at.

00:06:22.000 So that whole week was off.

00:06:25.000 Sean wasn't in the corner.

00:06:26.000 He got sick.

00:06:26.000 I had some issues with a best friend.

00:06:28.000 And I've known for 12, 13 years he didn't get to come out.

00:06:32.000 And just everything was, like, off.

00:06:34.000 I had MRSA on my bicep, on my forearm two weeks before. 0.99

00:06:39.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:06:39.000 I was on antibiotics. 0.99

00:06:41.000 Before that, I split my toes open where they separated, so the bones.

00:06:45.000 So I could barely, like, I got all swollen.

00:06:48.000 Bro, I've never had an easy camp. 0.63

00:06:51.000 I was having nightmares for the first time of getting knocked the fuck out all week during my weight cut, during training.

00:06:57.000 I had these crazy nerves. 0.51

00:06:59.000 I would get cold sweats.

00:07:00.000 I thought something was wrong.

00:07:02.000 I never had that before.

00:07:05.000 I was contemplating like, man, I'm not going to rush my career.

00:07:08.000 Maybe this isn't the right move.

00:07:11.000 Was it the step up in competition?

00:07:13.000 No, no.

00:07:14.000 So this is crazy. 0.60

00:07:16.000 It's not crazy, but it comes off as really arrogant.

00:07:19.000 Abdul was not a step up in competition for me.

00:07:21.000 He was a step up as far as power and people that I fought, as far as people that have the ability to knock you out.

00:07:29.000 Consequences.

00:07:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:30.000 There's consequences for small error.

00:07:33.000 But I knew skill for skill.

00:07:35.000 Dude's not on my level.

00:07:36.000 I knew Gerald Mearshart, however you say it.

00:07:40.000 Bro, I mean, that dude, to me, without being disrespectful, I don't know how he's been in the UFC. The guy I first fought, you know, he's not in the UFC anymore, but he had eight knockouts.

00:07:51.000 I've been doing this for 23 years.

00:07:53.000 I started at four and a half years old.

00:07:54.000 I don't want people to think that I'm cocky or arrogant, but I am.

00:07:58.000 I am cocky.

00:07:58.000 I'm confident, you know?

00:07:59.000 Don't you think you kind of have to be?

00:08:01.000 Yeah, you do have to be. 1.00

00:08:02.000 You're a fucking cage fighter. 0.99

00:08:03.000 It's your protection barrier, too, from people to just openly try to cut you down. 1.00

00:08:08.000 Because everybody, like hitting that punching machine, everybody immediately discredits.

00:08:12.000 It says that Dana White just wants to get after Francis Ngannou. 0.96

00:08:16.000 That's why they didn't release the video.

00:08:17.000 I told you about the Austin fight.

00:08:19.000 I was pissed off it didn't get posted.

00:08:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:22.000 Well, it's posted now.

00:08:23.000 Yeah, so it's posted now.

00:08:24.000 It's on a big platform, but yeah, man.

00:08:27.000 Abdul was just somebody you had to be careful with, but... 1.00

00:08:30.000 I didn't think he boxed better than me, and I think DC even says that as I'm walking into the cage, and his best shot was to knock me out, and if he couldn't knock me out, he wasn't winning that fight.

00:08:39.000 Well, it's also very evident.

00:08:41.000 You're one of those guys that's at the top of the 185-pound division in terms of physical stature.

00:08:48.000 You don't get much bigger at 185. It's like you and guys like Pajeda, which Pajeda doesn't even make sense.

00:08:54.000 I was always like, how? 0.99

00:08:56.000 How the fuck are you 185? 0.99

00:08:58.000 Man, even when I look at him, it's so weird. 0.99

00:09:01.000 We've seen each other so many times. 0.99

00:09:02.000 There's no head nod, there's no respect, there's no, like, even him, like, man, I think a lot of guys are overrated in this fucking sport. 0.99

00:09:10.000 You think that guy's overrated? 0.98

00:09:11.000 I mean, look, I think getting hit by him isn't overrated, right?

00:09:16.000 He's very stiff, and he's got that off switch.

00:09:19.000 He's got that off switch.

00:09:20.000 Well, he definitely does at 85. Yeah, at 85. I don't know about 205. I think that is a big part of the weight cut.

00:09:28.000 I think his weight cut is...

00:09:32.000 Borderline dangerous.

00:09:33.000 Like, I think that a weight cut to 85 could kill you.

00:09:36.000 Yeah, I think he's just so tough that he doesn't.

00:09:39.000 But I think there's a point of diminishing returns, and certainly with your chin.

00:09:44.000 And when Izzy cracked him, obviously Izzy hit him perfect.

00:09:47.000 It was pinpoint.

00:09:49.000 And then rocked him with the second shot.

00:09:50.000 But the way he went out, I was like...

00:09:52.000 It's gone.

00:09:53.000 It's almost like, you know, I'm not going to say any names, but, you know, they're...

00:09:58.000 There's a guy that just recently lost who I like, and it's like, man, when you've had that off button shut off to the point where you're frozen, it's not like you got TKO'd.

00:10:05.000 It's off.

00:10:06.000 Yes.

00:10:07.000 There's a thing that happens to guys when they've taken too many shots.

00:10:10.000 Yeah.

00:10:10.000 You can see it.

00:10:11.000 Yeah.

00:10:12.000 I've never been laid out.

00:10:14.000 Last time I was ever dropped, I was 18 years old.

00:10:16.000 I got dropped by a guy that used to be in the UFC for a brief moment.

00:10:19.000 It was Tim Williams.

00:10:20.000 He fought your boy Eric Anders, who I like.

00:10:24.000 He's cool.

00:10:24.000 But...

00:10:25.000 But yeah, no, I've never been, I've never had the lights, like, shut off or anything, so thankful for that, but I pride myself on my defense, too, you know what I mean?

00:10:32.000 It's critical.

00:10:33.000 I mean, a strong defensive base is so important when you know how to move well.

00:10:38.000 I was just watching this documentary that the UFC put on about Anderson Silva, and it's not that I forgot how good Anderson Silva was.

00:10:47.000 Smooth.

00:10:49.000 Super smooth.

00:10:50.000 Super fluent.

00:10:50.000 Everything, man.

00:10:51.000 When he was in his prime, his fucking defense, too, was so perfect. 0.99

00:10:56.000 He was so hard to hit clean. 1.00

00:10:58.000 His range, man.

00:10:59.000 You know, when you're taller, these guys underestimate range.

00:11:01.000 And, you know, everybody wants to brawl, but people don't understand range.

00:11:04.000 You know, you should be able to slide back and it just grazes your beard, you know?

00:11:07.000 Mm-hmm.

00:11:09.000 Range is everything.

00:11:10.000 And also, the mechanical advantage of that long frame...

00:11:14.000 When Anderson would throw that torque on guys.

00:11:17.000 When he was in his prime, you watched the Rich Franklin fights and the Chris Lieben fight. 0.99

00:11:22.000 That fucking dude was special, man. 0.98

00:11:25.000 Defense was a big part of it. 0.99

00:11:26.000 Let me ask you, because I'm a huge fan of the old school days, more so than the new school.

00:11:32.000 I just think it was more raw.

00:11:35.000 I liked when everybody was on roids.

00:11:37.000 You know everybody was on roids.

00:11:40.000 But, that's exactly the stipulation, right?

00:11:42.000 You know, we're so hard on the athletes of today, they pop for something that's not even a performance enhancing level.

00:11:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:49.000 But these guys had their reign and were never discredited, but we know they were all on shit. 1.00

00:11:54.000 Right. 0.99

00:11:54.000 Well, I always talk about TRT Vitor. 0.99

00:11:56.000 You know, I think TRT Vitor, the Vitor that fucked up Luke Rockhold and Michael Bisping.

00:12:01.000 That dude, I put him up against anybody ever. 0.99

00:12:03.000 He was fucking terrifying. 0.97

00:12:05.000 But he was also like... 1.00

00:12:08.000 Silverback gorilla levels of testosterone.

00:12:10.000 He was like off the charts.

00:12:12.000 When they tested him, one of the reasons why they stopped TRT is because they tested Vitor one time.

00:12:17.000 And he was so far off the charts. 0.99

00:12:20.000 They were like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

00:12:23.000 And he had said that he was going to be in America for like a week. 1.00

00:12:26.000 And so the doctor just gave him a big dose to last for the week.

00:12:30.000 I just think...

00:12:33.000 Oh, man.

00:12:35.000 I'm a huge fan of Yoel Romero, by the way.

00:12:37.000 Yoel Romero is the freak of all freaks.

00:12:40.000 I've said this many times before on this podcast, but he is the single most impressive athlete I've ever seen in all my years of watching fights.

00:12:48.000 How old is he, 44 now?

00:12:49.000 He's at least 44. He might be 45, 46. Oh, man.

00:12:53.000 Yeah, Juice Vitor was the bomb.

00:12:55.000 Yoel didn't even need Juice, man.

00:12:57.000 He was a part of the Cuban athletic program.

00:13:00.000 And there's something about that dude, whether it's genetics or who knows what it is, but I've told this before, so I apologize if anybody's heard this.

00:13:07.000 The UFC had brought him to a doctor after one of his fights.

00:13:10.000 I think it was one of his fights in Australia.

00:13:13.000 And the doctor said to the UFC, where did you get this guy?

00:13:18.000 And they were like, he's one of our fighters.

00:13:21.000 He said, I've never seen anything like him.

00:13:22.000 He goes, yeah, he's pretty amazing, right?

00:13:24.000 He goes, no, you don't understand.

00:13:25.000 I've never seen a human being like him.

00:13:28.000 The tendons in his eyes are three times larger than normal.

00:13:32.000 They said that his orbital bone, when it fractured, by the time they got him to the doctor, a couple days later, it already started healing. 0.99

00:13:40.000 Like, this guy's a fucking Wolverine. 0.99

00:13:41.000 That dude was eating fucking bark or something from growing up. 1.00

00:13:45.000 I mean, he was something super special. 0.99

00:13:48.000 I have to say, he was someone that I loved watching.

00:13:53.000 I loved that Paulo Costa and Joel Romero fight and whatnot.

00:13:56.000 I was always sad that I never got to see him win a belt before he left.

00:14:00.000 Well, he was in the UFC. He started in the UFC, I believe, in his very late 30s.

00:14:05.000 Yeah, like 37. Yeah, something crazy like that.

00:14:08.000 Like when he knocked out Lyoto Machida, I think he'd be like 38, 39. He was already at the range where most guys are looking to hang it up.

00:14:15.000 But look at a guy like that, right?

00:14:17.000 I mean, I don't think he's that technical.

00:14:19.000 I don't think he's very technically wrestling 100%, but he never used it.

00:14:26.000 As like a complete mixed martial artist, he always seemed to kind of just be like the kickboxing guy, wanted to keep it on feet.

00:14:33.000 Which is crazy when you think about his wrestling background, but that's just an energy thing.

00:14:37.000 The amount of energy that it takes to wrestle.

00:14:40.000 It takes guys down a lot, especially when they're slippery, especially when he's not a submission guy.

00:14:45.000 I don't know if he has any submissions in his record.

00:14:49.000 He just smashes guys when he gets them on the ground.

00:14:51.000 But his wrestling was so elite, but yet you rarely saw it. 0.99

00:14:55.000 But when he knocked out Chris Weidman with that flying knee, that fucking dude could explode on you like no other. 0.98

00:15:03.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a guy that's natural, though. 0.99

00:15:07.000 You want to say as a natural athlete, that's how he was born into it.

00:15:10.000 I think maybe there was something going on in Cuba.

00:15:13.000 That has to be.

00:15:14.000 Look at Karelin.

00:15:16.000 We always talk about Karelin, but Karelin for the Soviet Union, they called him the experiment.

00:15:21.000 That's literally what they called him.

00:15:22.000 He was so freakish, and his parents were like normal size.

00:15:26.000 They were small folks.

00:15:28.000 And he would be walking with his parents with his hands on their shoulders.

00:15:31.000 He was a giant.

00:15:32.000 Just an immense human being. 1.00

00:15:35.000 Here's a bowl of cereal and here's some fucking testosterone. 1.00

00:15:38.000 There was no bowl of cereal. 1.00

00:15:39.000 They gave him a fucking caribou liver for breakfast. 1.00

00:15:41.000 That guy was a freak of all freaks. 1.00

00:15:43.000 But I think there's something to that Soviet training program.

00:15:47.000 And when you look at other communist countries, particularly Cuba, there's no doubt about it.

00:15:52.000 They did whatever they could to make their athletes the best they could.

00:15:55.000 And it just stands to realize...

00:15:57.000 To a certain extent.

00:15:58.000 I mean, I think if you want to have that peak performance, you want to have that peak human being for whatever you're trying to, you know, put them in.

00:16:04.000 I mean, you can't...

00:16:06.000 Naturally, it's hard.

00:16:07.000 Like, it's very hard.

00:16:08.000 It's the hardest road.

00:16:09.000 Well, you can get lucky.

00:16:10.000 You can get lucky and get a Francis Ngannou with, like, the best genetics ever.

00:16:13.000 Or you can just start manipulating someone when they're very young.

00:16:17.000 If you get a young kid and you start giving them growth hormone and IGF-1 and all peptides and stuff when they're really little...

00:16:25.000 It depends on their diet, right?

00:16:26.000 I mean like most of everything we eat is processed and trashed.

00:16:31.000 That too.

00:16:31.000 I'm sure they give them optimal nutrition.

00:16:35.000 I'm sure with that kind of a program, like a communist program, where everything...

00:16:42.000 is on the line.

00:16:43.000 Like, if you are a athlete for a totalitarian dictatorship, like whether it's Cuba or Russia or China, whatever it is, they will do whatever they can to make their athletes the best.

00:16:57.000 Like, the idea of cheating...

00:16:58.000 We saw it in the Sochi Olympics with that documentary, Icarus.

00:17:01.000 Have you seen that documentary?

00:17:02.000 It's a great documentary by Brian Fogle about...

00:17:06.000 I've talked about this recently.

00:17:08.000 I apologize to people who listen, but...

00:17:11.000 Brian Fogel, what he was going to do is he did a bike race, and he did a bike race natural, and he's a very good athlete, endurance athlete.

00:17:20.000 So he did this bike race natural, and then he went to this guy who's the head of the Soviet anti-doping program, and he said, this is what I want to do.

00:17:28.000 I want to do it natural one year, and then the next year I want you to just juice me up to the tits, and we're going to do a documentary and see how I do juiced versus natural.

00:17:38.000 In the process of filming all this, it got released that the Sochi Olympics were rigged. 0.73

00:17:46.000 And so what Russia was doing was they put a hole in the wall where the urine samples were, and they were swapping urine samples.

00:17:54.000 So they're taking the dirty urine samples from their, because it was in Russia. 0.84

00:17:57.000 So they're taking the dirty urine samples from their athletes and swapping it out for clean urine samples.

00:18:02.000 But they got caught because they found these micro scratches on these jars that were supposedly impossible to open.

00:18:10.000 And that these impenetrable jars, they store the urine in to make it secure. 0.88

00:18:14.000 But then they did an analysis in the jar, and they said, like, somebody's been fucking with these jars.

00:18:18.000 And so then they analyzed the urine, and then the whole house of cards came tumbling down while this guy was doing this documentary.

00:18:24.000 And this guy, what was his name?

00:18:26.000 Gregory Rychenko?

00:18:28.000 Is that his name?

00:18:29.000 I think Rychenkov.

00:18:30.000 Rychenkov?

00:18:31.000 That gentleman, who was the head of the Soviet doping program, got in the witness protection program and then spilled the beans on the Soviet Union.

00:18:38.000 He's hiding in America now.

00:18:40.000 I mean, they arrested his family.

00:18:41.000 They took away his family's money. 0.99

00:18:43.000 They fucked his whole family up. 0.99

00:18:46.000 The story is crazy. 0.99

00:18:48.000 But he detailed everything that they do as far as their doping program.

00:18:52.000 And they doped everybody.

00:18:54.000 They doped everybody except figure skaters. 1.00

00:18:56.000 Damn. 1.00

00:18:57.000 That's the dude. 1.00

00:18:58.000 Gregory Rechenkoff.

00:18:59.000 Definitely not what I was imaging or picturing in my head.

00:19:02.000 He's hilarious.

00:19:03.000 He's actually funny, but it's an amazing documentary.

00:19:07.000 I can't recommend Icarus enough, but it just shows how far these countries are willing to go in order to gain national superiority by having their athletes gold medal more than anybody.

00:19:19.000 Power, it's the most addicting thing, right?

00:19:21.000 Yeah, and it's also, you know, it's national pride.

00:19:25.000 There's a lot involved.

00:19:26.000 And they're all assuming that everybody else is doing this, too. 1.00

00:19:29.000 Everybody on some shit. 1.00

00:19:32.000 Everybody's on some shit. 1.00

00:19:33.000 For sure, if they can get away with it, they cheat. 1.00

00:19:35.000 There's so much, especially when it comes to things like the Olympics.

00:19:38.000 Because they'll never stop exploring trying to find the easier route, you know?

00:19:41.000 Exactly. 0.98

00:19:42.000 It's funny because a lot of people have said shit to me, and I'm like, listen, when I came back after I broke my arm, I was big before I broke my arm, but I was big in the wrong way. 0.98

00:19:54.000 I was big in a weightlifting way. 0.98

00:19:56.000 When did you break your arm?

00:20:00.000 2020, maybe?

00:20:02.000 And how did you do it?

00:20:03.000 Dustin Stoltzfus. 0.98

00:20:04.000 I got Matt returned in a fucking contender series fight. 0.99

00:20:07.000 Dislocated and broke backwards. 0.99

00:20:09.000 And that's your right arm?

00:20:09.000 That's my right arm.

00:20:10.000 So I had one surgery.

00:20:11.000 That's this scar.

00:20:13.000 Six months later, I joined my team, Marquez, where Sean's at, and all the Philly guys.

00:20:18.000 And then I had to, six months again, had to get another surgery, another major surgery.

00:20:22.000 Same injury?

00:20:23.000 Just reinjured it?

00:20:24.000 No, so I still had a torn forearm, and I had a whole bunch of bone growths behind me.

00:20:29.000 So I broke the radial head in half, which is what you rotate.

00:20:32.000 So I can rotate my hand right like this on my good arm, but I can't go any further than this because it's pinned.

00:20:37.000 To this day?

00:20:38.000 To this day, yeah.

00:20:39.000 Oh, wow.

00:20:39.000 And that's as straight as my arm goes.

00:20:41.000 Oh, wow. 1.00

00:20:42.000 Yeah, so motherfuckers don't understand that this was... 0.99

00:20:45.000 I was given a 30% chance of being able to fight if I got the second surgery. 0.99

00:20:50.000 30%?

00:20:51.000 30% because of the nerve damage and not having full functionality because there's a lot of nerves in there.

00:20:57.000 Especially where I got surgery and how much damage and inflammation and whatnot was in there.

00:21:02.000 So they had to cut the capsule and whatnot.

00:21:04.000 So, man, when I tell you like I'm gonna be hurting when I'm older, I'm gonna be hurting.

00:21:08.000 I have pain every day and whatnot. 0.95

00:21:10.000 But yeah, I mean, I broke my arm in some bullshit fluke accident. 0.91

00:21:15.000 You know, I did get Matt returned. 0.98

00:21:17.000 I should have let go of the head.

00:21:18.000 I was gonna go for a guillotine and then he lifted me.

00:21:20.000 I didn't expect it, right?

00:21:21.000 Posted out, boom.

00:21:23.000 Been that way a thousand times in practice.

00:21:25.000 Never been hurt.

00:21:27.000 Yeah, it ate me up, man.

00:21:29.000 It ate me up. 1.00

00:21:29.000 You know, they close the ambulance doors and you don't get to say shit to Dana White. 1.00

00:21:33.000 And all you get is a bunch of nerds that text you and say, hey man, at least you got a couple million views. 0.98

00:21:38.000 You're famous. 0.92

00:21:40.000 And, you know, I lost sponsorships, I was depressed, suicidal, all that shit, and 20 years of my life, I think, at that point. 0.93

00:21:46.000 So you were really concerned that that was the end? 0.92

00:21:49.000 Yeah, I mean, look, Joe, I started this at four and a half years old, you know, I don't know how much you know, but, you know, I started this at four and a half years old, and I haven't seen another path, and this was my A, and there was no B. So if A didn't work, that was it.

00:22:01.000 So at four and a half, you knew you wanted to fight?

00:22:04.000 Eight years old, I knew I wanted to fight.

00:22:06.000 Four and a half, I started Jiu-Jitsu.

00:22:07.000 Five years old, I did my first competition in Naga.

00:22:11.000 And yeah, I mean, eight years old, I started developing like a little bit of a confidence.

00:22:16.000 I was so run down and abused that that was where my confidence started coming from.

00:22:22.000 I never had a dream of the belt, and I can say all these years, I've never had a dream of holding a belt, but I always had a dream of people chanting my name when I was walking out to a sold-out crowd.

00:22:30.000 So that was always my dream, and I've always wanted that.

00:22:34.000 And, yeah, I mean, I wasn't a kid that hung out with kids.

00:22:38.000 You know, I was homeschooled, and, yeah, there's a lot of detail to uncover in there.

00:22:43.000 But, yeah, I mean, I've known I wanted to do this all my life.

00:22:47.000 And when I tell you there was no plan B, bro, there was no plan B. When did you have your first MMA fight?

00:22:52.000 How old were you?

00:22:53.000 I was, I think, 20 years old.

00:22:56.000 Yeah, 20 years old.

00:22:58.000 Actually, no, that's not true.

00:22:59.000 Yeah, it is true.

00:23:00.000 20 years old.

00:23:01.000 I think it was 2017 was my first fight.

00:23:05.000 Or 2016, one of those years.

00:23:09.000 Amateur?

00:23:09.000 Amateur.

00:23:09.000 So PA. I'm a PA boy at the time.

00:23:12.000 You have to have five amateurs before you can go pro.

00:23:14.000 Oh, really?

00:23:15.000 That's the rule.

00:23:15.000 Interesting.

00:23:16.000 That was the rule when I was fighting.

00:23:17.000 So you had to have five.

00:23:18.000 Is that still the rule?

00:23:19.000 I'm not sure.

00:23:20.000 I think it is.

00:23:21.000 You definitely have to have amateur experience to be considered to get your pro license.

00:23:24.000 What if you're like an amateur wrestler or something like that?

00:23:27.000 Does that translate into it?

00:23:28.000 I don't think so.

00:23:29.000 I think it's just the way that the PA commission was with Greg Serb back then.

00:23:33.000 It's not a bad idea.

00:23:35.000 So I went 4-1 as an amateur. 0.99

00:23:37.000 And I felt so held back with the bullshit shin guards, not being able to punch somebody in the face. 0.99

00:23:42.000 Oh, that's how it is with amateurs? 0.99

00:23:43.000 Yeah, you can't punch in the face.

00:23:45.000 No elbowing on the ground?

00:23:46.000 Nope.

00:23:47.000 So I couldn't wait to turn pro, man.

00:23:49.000 I felt so held back.

00:23:51.000 And my kind of training, like I trained at Fight Factory, which was a gym that had Eddie Alvarez when he was 19 years old.

00:23:56.000 I met Eddie before he even had his first fight.

00:23:58.000 Oh, wow.

00:23:59.000 You know, so when I say I know, a lot of these guys will say, oh, I know these people.

00:24:02.000 I'm the OG in the gym as the young guy because I've been around for so long. 0.89

00:24:09.000 So that's why when these fucking clickbait turds come out and they say, oh, you know, he's fighting a guy with a lot of experience and Gerald Mearshaw, he's got the most submission. 0.99

00:24:17.000 I'm like, motherfucker, you're not doing anything that I have never seen. 0.99

00:24:22.000 Now, there's a difference between watching on the TV and saying, ah, he doesn't do anything special. 0.99

00:24:26.000 And you get in there and you feel somebody's presence.

00:24:28.000 You feel that energy.

00:24:29.000 You feel their intention, you know? 0.99

00:24:31.000 So, I knew that motherfucker wasn't going to bang with me. 0.99

00:24:34.000 I knew Abdul wasn't going to bang with me. 1.00

00:24:36.000 That's why as soon as I cracked him, as soon as I let him feel me, like, yeah, motherfucker, like, go ahead. 0.99

00:24:40.000 And, you know, he didn't get that. 0.99

00:24:43.000 He didn't get to get going.

00:24:44.000 You know, I checked him immediately.

00:24:46.000 Like, you're a powerhouse, you're an alpha?

00:24:48.000 Well, so am I. Come take it.

00:24:49.000 You know, so I fight with a heavy heart in there.

00:24:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:53.000 You're trying to take my living from me.

00:24:54.000 I'm still a poor kid.

00:24:55.000 That's my mentality.

00:24:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:57.000 I'm nothing.

00:24:57.000 And I'm trying to be something.

00:24:59.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:24:59.000 So, you better be ready to kill me, motherfuckers. 1.00

00:25:02.000 Like, that's how, same thing with this guy Jack, man. 1.00

00:25:04.000 Like, nice guy. 1.00

00:25:05.000 You better be ready to die in there or I'm coming for you. 0.98

00:25:08.000 Like, I don't want no decisions. 1.00

00:25:10.000 You talk about your abuse.

00:25:12.000 Like, what exactly was the abuse?

00:25:14.000 I don't want to give the short version, right?

00:25:16.000 This is a moment right now that I get to recognize that I'm in front of somebody who has, you've heard so many stories, so many crazy things, and you know, my story is definitely not up there with the crazy things, right?

00:25:26.000 But my story, I'm unique, I'm one of one.

00:25:29.000 So my story is, you know, I started out, the abuse started when I was a year old.

00:25:36.000 My parents both blame each other, you know, child services in and out of our lives.

00:25:40.000 I'm one of five kids.

00:25:41.000 I got four sisters, two older, two younger. 0.99

00:25:43.000 And yeah, I started getting beat as a one-year-old from what I was told because I'd shit myself, right? 0.98

00:25:49.000 It's what kids, infants do. 0.99

00:25:51.000 And so that's when it started.

00:25:54.000 Wow, you got beat for going to the bathroom? 1.00

00:25:57.000 Shit, my diaper, yeah. 1.00

00:25:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:25:59.000 The story is I shit my diaper reached in my diaper wiped on the walls and then I got beat for it Neither parent owns up to it, but both parents have blamed each other Just because of the physical physical abuse on my father's side hundred percent has to be him My mom was not Physically aggressive by nature, 0.96

00:26:18.000 you know, I mean she she definitely what my ass, you know A good amount, but it was never with the mean intentions You know comparable to my father It was more verbal on her end, but uh, but yeah, so it started then and bro since the time I've had memory I remember getting my head stomped getting beat getting screamed at slap Humiliated just run down told you're never gonna be anything and you know, 0.98

00:26:42.000 my sisters received unfortunately received the the same treatment and Yeah, so I mean abuse has been something and toxic and I mean toxic like when I want to say like Breaking somebody down. 0.96

00:26:54.000 I didn't have an ounce of self-esteem.

00:26:56.000 I was my dad's puppet.

00:26:57.000 I didn't know no life being homeschooled You do school right that is he still around?

00:27:03.000 Still living yeah still living I'm not sure where I've parted ways with him and I don't want to talk to him next time I see him is probably you know yeah when it's done and I don't hate him.

00:27:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:18.000 I don't hate him, but I despise him as a human being as far as, you know, what he's given back to the world and the kind of person that he's accepted to be.

00:27:26.000 But yeah, I mean, yeah, he's still around.

00:27:28.000 I just don't know where and I don't really care where.

00:27:30.000 So I know my mom still lives at the house that I grew up in.

00:27:34.000 It's so hard to believe that some people are capable of becoming what they become, you know, and to do that to their child.

00:27:43.000 You know what's fucked up about it the most is that It was almost better for me to have never known him than to know him and see how it went and lose him.

00:27:53.000 You know what I mean? 0.74

00:27:54.000 Because I loved that man as a child.

00:27:56.000 That was my idol.

00:27:57.000 Nobody could beat him in the gym.

00:27:58.000 That's what I thought.

00:28:00.000 And I never thought he was a liar, you know, and then right around 15 years old, and I definitely think I was behind, you know what I mean, socially, just because of being homeschooled. 0.93

00:28:10.000 So my dad wound up getting a social security disability, and he was a stay-at-home dad, you know what I mean, collecting SSD and fucking doing nothing, but beating his kids and screaming and sitting, basically just being, you know, a child abuser to all of us, you know, and...

00:28:28.000 Never once has he ever taken accountability for the wrongs that he's done. 0.97

00:28:31.000 And if he's tried to finagle it, it's been to be like, hey, you were a bad kid.

00:28:38.000 It's like, yo, I want to know how I was a bad kid.

00:28:41.000 I didn't steal.

00:28:42.000 Sure, I lied as a kid out of fear because I was afraid to get my head stomped or get beat like a man. 0.98

00:28:47.000 You know, I didn't get a traditional ass whooping job. 0.99

00:28:50.000 Like, neither of my sisters either. 0.99

00:28:51.000 They got picked up by their necks, picked up by their hair, strangled, you know, and...

00:28:58.000 There's many stories, you know, and as you know, we have a documentary, right?

00:29:03.000 And I refrain from putting the details of specific stories because the documentary is not about, woe is me, poor me.

00:29:13.000 It's about, A, I never, through all of this, gave up on the dream to get to the UFC. Even when I broke my arm and I thought I was doing...

00:29:21.000 I did everything right.

00:29:23.000 I didn't go out and party.

00:29:24.000 I didn't go out and do drugs.

00:29:26.000 I've never smoked weed.

00:29:27.000 I've never done...

00:29:28.000 And I'm not saying weed's a drug, but I've never smoked weed.

00:29:30.000 I've never smoked a cigarette.

00:29:31.000 I've never popped a pill.

00:29:33.000 I've never done anything.

00:29:35.000 I didn't go out to strip clubs.

00:29:37.000 I didn't go out and bring girls home from the bar.

00:29:40.000 It's never been me.

00:29:41.000 So...

00:29:43.000 You were just always focused.

00:29:44.000 I was obsessed with this.

00:29:46.000 I was obsessed with this.

00:29:47.000 And I was obsessed with this because I knew if I couldn't do this, I would have checked out. 0.99

00:29:51.000 And that's what made me, you know, that's what made me, like, keep going, motherfucker, keep going, keep going, keep going. 0.98

00:29:57.000 And I just kept beating down the door of people like my coach that, you know, has come with me. 0.98

00:30:02.000 I've known that man since I was 10 years old, you know, and he's seen me where?

00:30:06.000 In the gym.

00:30:07.000 And nothing's changed.

00:30:08.000 He can tell you that from, you know, the only thing that's changed is my maturity, the way I look at life, perspective.

00:30:14.000 But, yeah, man, I mean, it was a rough background.

00:30:17.000 It only got worse as I got older.

00:30:19.000 It's a horrible thing to hear You know as parents it's terrifying to think that a parent another parent could do that to their child But we all know it's true and we all know that it can do one of two things to someone It could just ruin your life or it can give you this unstoppable fuel and that's what it seems to have done with you I would never wish that on anybody but I often see people like you that are so fucking driven and so angry in there and And so effective because of that,

00:30:48.000 so dangerous because of that, I often wonder, is it even possible to make a guy like you without that?

00:30:56.000 I don't think so.

00:30:57.000 I look at Mike Tyson, same thing.

00:30:59.000 I don't think so, but I think that's where I have my appreciation for him.

00:31:05.000 I'll never discredit him.

00:31:06.000 I would not be in the sport if it wasn't for him.

00:31:08.000 He was the one that went to the gym.

00:31:09.000 He's the one that introduced me and I will give respect where it's due.

00:31:12.000 Was he a fighter?

00:31:14.000 He grew up in Kensington, Philadelphia.

00:31:17.000 I don't know how well you know Philadelphia. 0.99

00:31:18.000 Shithole. 1.00

00:31:19.000 Bad parents. 1.00

00:31:20.000 Mom apparently was borderline. 1.00

00:31:23.000 I don't know if she was a prostitute or whatever, but he was passed home to home. 0.72

00:31:28.000 He was always passed back and forth to his parents.

00:31:30.000 He lived a much rougher life than me.

00:31:33.000 And, you know, he got jumped all the time.

00:31:36.000 Back then, it was, you know, a very segregated type, you know, you don't come into this part of Philly and you don't cross this part of Philly.

00:31:43.000 And so he would get jumped all the time.

00:31:44.000 I think he was like a timid, like skinny, nerdy, malnutritioned child growing up.

00:31:50.000 So I know his dad, my grandpa, who I've met a handful of times, was in the Vietnam War.

00:31:57.000 But then when he came back, apparently my dad's story is that he used to sell drugs all the time and It was always high.

00:32:03.000 That's the story he painted to us.

00:32:05.000 In my eyes, we never knew him, really, other than a handful of times we met him because they were bad people and he despised them.

00:32:13.000 He always held the craziest anger towards his family.

00:32:16.000 They all blackballed him. 0.98

00:32:17.000 He was the black sheep. 0.92

00:32:19.000 He grew up rough, too.

00:32:21.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:32:25.000 He boxed, apparently, for a long time.

00:32:27.000 He used to tell everybody he was 115-4. 0.98

00:32:30.000 He can't fucking find the guy's records anywhere. 1.00

00:32:32.000 100% bullshit. 1.00

00:32:33.000 Dude's a fucking storyteller. 1.00

00:32:34.000 But he could box, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:32:36.000 Even if he didn't fight, he could box.

00:32:38.000 He would do well against guys that were pro boxers or guys that were in the gym.

00:32:42.000 My dad was a tough dude.

00:32:43.000 He was good.

00:32:45.000 But, you know, definitely always lied for his convenience, for his story.

00:32:50.000 And, yeah, as he was learning jiu-jitsu...

00:32:53.000 With a guy named Steve Hegg who wound up owning Fight Factory who taught me jiu-jitsu alongside with my dad.

00:32:59.000 That's how I got into it.

00:33:01.000 I owe him a thanks for the tools that he gave me for the house I have gone to build.

00:33:06.000 That's how I see it. 0.96

00:33:08.000 I don't think he ever intended to give me these tools and me go and fucking build a house with it. 0.97

00:33:12.000 And I think he despises me for it. 0.98

00:33:14.000 I mean, he's one of the guys, when I broke my arm, sends a message, face down, ass up, just how you like it. 0.91

00:33:19.000 You'll never, I told you. 1.00

00:33:21.000 Bro, he said a lot of shit, man. 1.00

00:33:23.000 He has said a lot of shit. 1.00

00:33:24.000 And don't get me wrong, I've said a lot of shit back. 1.00

00:33:26.000 Like, we've argued, you know what I mean? 0.98

00:33:27.000 He brings that special rage where I would, like, lose my life or his life over it, you know what I mean?

00:33:32.000 Like, I have to separate myself from him.

00:33:36.000 Jesus Christ.

00:33:37.000 So, yeah, I mean, but yeah, there's no holds barred when it comes to that guy.

00:33:41.000 The way he manipulates, the way he lies, the way he has basically hurt every single person.

00:33:46.000 He has no long-lasting friendships in his life.

00:33:50.000 There's a reason for that, you know?

00:33:52.000 Yeah, that's horrible.

00:33:53.000 Yeah, so, not a good human being.

00:33:55.000 It's not good, but again, I mean, I hate to say it, but in your line of work, it's like a superpower.

00:34:01.000 It is a superpower, you know what I mean?

00:34:03.000 I got that dark devil with me when I need him.

00:34:05.000 And I don't mind it, you know what I mean?

00:34:07.000 I can be a sweetheart.

00:34:08.000 I can be a good person.

00:34:09.000 I'm a giving person.

00:34:10.000 I give a lot back in the dark to my teammates, you know?

00:34:13.000 One of the kids is Jose Soto, who just, by the way, got surgery today.

00:34:17.000 Hope you're doing well.

00:34:19.000 I think he's got one eye, like visibility, and he's one of the toughest guys I've ever sparred, and he's an amateur.

00:34:29.000 How is it that I wanted to ask you about this?

00:34:32.000 Like, you know, Shara Bullitt has one eye. 0.79

00:34:34.000 That's why I'm saying it because I'm telling you right now this kid will whoop that dude.

00:34:37.000 How is Shara Bullitt able to fight? 1.00

00:34:40.000 I mean, how do you pass athletic commission standards?

00:34:42.000 So I don't know.

00:34:44.000 So I think that from what I've heard, I think it depends on the commission and where you're fighting.

00:34:50.000 In PA, I know he has to have, I think, and I may be wrong, so somebody don't roast me for it, but I think you have to have, I think it's called a 2200. It has to be some type of visibility.

00:35:01.000 So you have to be able to see objects?

00:35:03.000 Yeah, objects, shapes, something.

00:35:05.000 You have to be able to at least identify something out of that eye.

00:35:10.000 That is the craziest way to fight.

00:35:13.000 When you already have lost one eye.

00:35:15.000 Bro, he's bigger than me.

00:35:17.000 The kid I'm talking about is bigger than me.

00:35:19.000 He's like 225 right now.

00:35:20.000 And he's in shape.

00:35:21.000 Abs cut.

00:35:22.000 I'm telling you.

00:35:23.000 I can't wait for this kid's future. 0.99

00:35:27.000 But my point is I try to give back to a lot of my teammates because I didn't let the things that hardened me and made me upset become a piece of shit. 0.99

00:35:39.000 I don't think I'm a piece of shit. 0.99

00:35:40.000 I think I'm a good person. 0.98

00:35:42.000 I don't think I'm the best person.

00:35:43.000 I'm not the nicest guy by a long shot, right?

00:35:46.000 But I think this world is about...

00:35:49.000 What you get, you give back, you know, how you can. 1.00

00:35:52.000 If you're not giving back in some way with success that you have, then I think you're a piece of shit. 1.00

00:35:56.000 I don't care if you're a billionaire. 1.00

00:35:58.000 You know, if you're not giving back and you're not trying to help the younger generation, that's already so fucked up. 0.99

00:36:03.000 Especially the people around you. 1.00

00:36:04.000 Especially your tribe.

00:36:05.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:36:06.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:36:08.000 The one-eyed thing, man, it just still really freaks me out.

00:36:11.000 Like, shout out to Michael Bisping. 0.98

00:36:13.000 One of the fucking toughest dudes to ever do it. 0.99

00:36:17.000 He did it in the dark. 0.99

00:36:18.000 He scammed systems.

00:36:20.000 He scammed the athletic commissions for 10 fights.

00:36:23.000 For 10 fights, that dude fought with one eye.

00:36:25.000 But then look at the other part of it, right?

00:36:27.000 Like, if he goes out there and he's getting smoked and he's not competitive, like, sure, pull his card and say, hey, you can't do this.

00:36:34.000 But then you're going to tell somebody they can't do what they've trained their whole life for because of something like that.

00:36:38.000 That's not fair, too.

00:36:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:40.000 Like, Right.

00:36:41.000 When you look at Shara Bullitt, I mean, obviously, I mean, depth perception is the first thing that goes when you lose one eye.

00:36:46.000 Yeah.

00:36:46.000 It helps, but Shara Bullitt is, like, one of the most accurate and precision strikers.

00:36:51.000 I mean, he's got some flaws in his game.

00:36:53.000 His takedown defense is terrible.

00:36:55.000 Yeah.

00:36:55.000 He's got to, like, learn how to wrestle.

00:36:57.000 That man did not know how to get off his back.

00:36:59.000 Which is crazy.

00:37:00.000 He's from Dagestan.

00:37:01.000 From a guy that's not a wrestler.

00:37:02.000 Right.

00:37:03.000 Yeah, it's a problem.

00:37:04.000 It's a problem. 0.99

00:37:05.000 But also, him on the feet's a fucking problem. 0.99

00:37:07.000 Oh, man. 1.00

00:37:08.000 Guy that kicks that much?

00:37:09.000 I don't want to fight that guy. 0.88

00:37:10.000 That dude's annoying.

00:37:11.000 It's not even...

00:37:12.000 It's like, I hate that kind of style. 1.00

00:37:15.000 That shit that you're... 1.00

00:37:16.000 Like, Jack's style irritates the fuck out of me. 1.00

00:37:18.000 Jack Della Mandelina? 0.64

00:37:19.000 No.

00:37:20.000 Jack Hermanson.

00:37:21.000 Hermanson. 1.00

00:37:21.000 Dude's annoying as shit. 1.00

00:37:22.000 I hate his style. 1.00

00:37:23.000 Fucking bounces around and, like... 1.00

00:37:25.000 He's just an awkward, weird, like, weird shit. 1.00

00:37:29.000 Shower Bullet's not weird, but, you know, he's so fast and kicks, and, man, I want to bang, not kick. 0.99

00:37:35.000 Hermanson in you is when?

00:37:36.000 When is that?

00:37:37.000 February 10th.

00:37:38.000 Nice.

00:37:38.000 Yeah, so, like, 25 days or some shit like that, but not too far out.

00:37:42.000 I'm counting.

00:37:43.000 That's a very good fight for you.

00:37:44.000 It's a very good fight for me.

00:37:45.000 I think... 0.98

00:37:46.000 I think a lot of people will try to pull this experience bullshit again.

00:37:51.000 He's definitely my toughest fight on paper, and I think he will be my toughest test. 0.80

00:37:55.000 But one thing's for sure, he better not let me get that one, because I got that one.

00:38:00.000 He's a dog.

00:38:01.000 He's tough.

00:38:02.000 But I think we know what his style is.

00:38:04.000 If you look at Jack, it's like, you've got to get the takedown, brother.

00:38:07.000 Because if you stand and bang with me, I'm going to put you down.

00:38:09.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:10.000 I'm not playing for decisions.

00:38:13.000 And... 1.00

00:38:15.000 Shit, it might come back to bite me, right? 1.00

00:38:16.000 It might say it all confident. 1.00

00:38:17.000 I might lose.

00:38:18.000 It might happen.

00:38:19.000 But I just don't think that that's the next chapter for me.

00:38:24.000 There it is.

00:38:25.000 So it's the fight night at the Apex? 1.00

00:38:27.000 I'm an ugly motherfucker on TV, man. 1.00

00:38:29.000 Nah, you look great. 1.00

00:38:29.000 That's nonsense. 1.00

00:38:30.000 The fucking Apex is the greatest place ever to see fights. 0.99

00:38:33.000 I like it. 0.99

00:38:33.000 Everybody's complaining that I keep fighting there, but I like it, man. 0.99

00:38:36.000 I like hearing my shots.

00:38:38.000 I like hearing that.

00:38:39.000 I want to hear it. 0.94

00:38:40.000 I want to hear him grunt when I hit him. 0.60

00:38:43.000 I want to hear him wince. 0.87

00:38:44.000 I want to see it.

00:38:45.000 I don't have any outside noise blocking that.

00:38:47.000 You can hear your coach.

00:38:49.000 You can hear your corner.

00:38:49.000 You can hear everything.

00:38:50.000 To me, when we were doing the COVID fights, when we were doing a lot of the fights from the Apex, including world title fights.

00:39:00.000 Francis Ngannou, when he beat Stipe, there was no crowd, which was so crazy.

00:39:04.000 But for me, as a commentator and as an audience member, I was like, God, how lucky am I? That I'm here for this.

00:39:12.000 That this is like, you know, the whole world's fucking shut down. 0.89

00:39:15.000 And I get to be cage-side for this with nobody else here. 0.94

00:39:19.000 It was a fortunate time, man.

00:39:20.000 It was a fortunate time to, I think, like, be in your position, like you're saying, right?

00:39:24.000 You know, be able to be there.

00:39:25.000 You've been around for so long, though, man.

00:39:27.000 Like, you earned that, right?

00:39:29.000 I mean, and you're a part of the UFC in a big, big way.

00:39:33.000 You're not just a commentator, you know what I mean?

00:39:34.000 So you being a part of that is also historic, too, you know?

00:39:37.000 But being able to see it.

00:39:38.000 With a guy like that in person, that's why I was upset with Jon Jones, man.

00:39:42.000 I was going to go to that fight.

00:39:43.000 Yeah.

00:39:44.000 Oh, man, because he's on his way out.

00:39:46.000 I love Jon Jones.

00:39:47.000 I love Jon Jones, too.

00:39:48.000 That dude is...

00:39:49.000 I hate when everybody so much sidesteps him.

00:39:52.000 I know.

00:39:53.000 When he tore that pec muscle, I was so bummed out. 0.98

00:39:57.000 God damn, I wanted to see him versus Stipe. 0.98

00:40:00.000 Still hope, maybe. 0.99

00:40:01.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:40:02.000 Maybe late summer?

00:40:03.000 It seems like that's what they want to do.

00:40:06.000 It seems like that's the fight that they want to do.

00:40:08.000 But he keeps vocalizing to Tom Aspinall, you know what I mean?

00:40:11.000 And I feel like he already wrote, which we all kind of assumed, but I think he'll have that fight with Stipe if Stipe's still hanging around.

00:40:19.000 And then, you know, kind of run off into...

00:40:22.000 Maybe, or maybe he'll do Aspinol, depending upon...

00:40:25.000 I don't think he has any interest, to be honest.

00:40:27.000 You don't think so?

00:40:27.000 No.

00:40:28.000 Why not, man?

00:40:29.000 What?

00:40:30.000 Elbow surgery also?

00:40:32.000 When did he have this?

00:40:33.000 He said while he was having pec surgery, because he had to recover for so long, he went ahead and got his elbow done, too.

00:40:38.000 Was this recently?

00:40:39.000 Yeah, I thought this was the video, but this was like 11 weeks ago.

00:40:42.000 Wasn't this the day out right after, or a couple days out after it happened, I think, that video.

00:40:48.000 Oh, okay.

00:40:49.000 I'll find it.

00:40:50.000 This is not recent, though.

00:40:51.000 That punching thing is not recent.

00:40:53.000 This was like two weeks ago, a week ago.

00:40:54.000 I thought it was on his Instagram account, but I'll look it up real quick.

00:40:59.000 The thing is, like, John is, what, 36 now?

00:41:02.000 Is that how old he is?

00:41:03.000 Nah, I think he's...

00:41:03.000 I thought he was 38. I don't know.

00:41:07.000 I wonder...

00:41:08.000 I wonder...

00:41:09.000 How old is John?

00:41:11.000 30...

00:41:12.000 Oh, I just had it right here.

00:41:12.000 But yeah, a week ago he had elbow surgery to shave off bones.

00:41:15.000 36. Yeah, 36. I thought he was a little bit older than that.

00:41:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:19.000 When you start getting surgeries, when shit starts falling off... 0.99

00:41:22.000 Bro, that's me now. 0.99

00:41:23.000 Yeah.

00:41:24.000 Well, that one injury for sure...

00:41:26.000 John Jones said he has surgery to shave bone spurs in his left elbow.

00:41:30.000 So exactly that, right?

00:41:32.000 So what I just told you about my pain in my elbow, I have like six or seven of those in my elbow right now.

00:41:39.000 So imagine, and that's where all the nerves are.

00:41:41.000 Yeah.

00:41:42.000 So man, some days I gotta, I'm in pain.

00:41:45.000 And they can't go in there and scoop those out?

00:41:47.000 Not before this fight.

00:41:49.000 After the fight, you think?

00:41:50.000 I'm definitely going to mention it.

00:41:52.000 I'm definitely going to mention it.

00:41:54.000 Have you done any stem cells or anything for that?

00:41:56.000 So I had a torn labrum and I got some stem cells to try and fix that.

00:42:01.000 And then, honestly, it really agitated it where...

00:42:04.000 And then the fight got announced and everything.

00:42:06.000 So this fight is sooner than I wanted it to be, in a way.

00:42:10.000 But you don't say no to something like this.

00:42:12.000 This is a good fight for me.

00:42:15.000 When I say good fight, I think that this is... 0.92

00:42:20.000 A fight that I'm very capable of winning at this point in time with the trajectory I'm on, with all the, you know, people call it hype, but I fucking earned it. 0.63

00:42:30.000 This isn't hype. 0.96

00:42:31.000 This is called I Paid My Dues and I was out for a year and eight fucking months and made a comeback. 0.96

00:42:35.000 Made my comeback fight with a broken left hand. 0.89

00:42:37.000 Still knocked that dude out, which was Derrick Brunson's wrestling coach.

00:42:41.000 Came back, knocked out another guy.

00:42:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:44.000 You had a broken left hand going into that fight?

00:42:46.000 I broke my left thumb in half, like right where the joint is.

00:42:51.000 And I still went in there.

00:42:53.000 And I remember my coach was like...

00:42:55.000 Yo, we got to bite down. 0.99

00:42:56.000 We just got to do this man like you do this you're going back to the UFC and it was the first time I ever worked with my my head coach John Marquez and How far out did you break your thumb?

00:43:07.000 I think it was nine days.

00:43:09.000 Oh God.

00:43:10.000 Yeah, so bro when they grabbed my hand like the commission grant like the medical tent and they grabbed my hand I was like But I wound up getting it.

00:43:19.000 I took an XL glove or double XL glove because, you know, my hands aren't that big, but I, bro, it was terrible.

00:43:27.000 It was terrible.

00:43:28.000 Did you find a way to tape it in some way?

00:43:30.000 Yeah, I mean, we still taped it up like it was a fight, right?

00:43:32.000 So I still had tons of pain, but the pressure stopped me from feeling like it was, like, floating around.

00:43:38.000 And I actually threw it, like, maybe three, four times in that fight.

00:43:41.000 Phew! 1.00

00:43:42.000 Just out of, like, habit.

00:43:43.000 But yeah, I mean, first fight back, year and eight months, break your left hand.

00:43:48.000 I have the x-ray for it.

00:43:50.000 And then, you know, let alone the nerves, I had to come back.

00:43:55.000 I'd never thrown my right hand in a real fight.

00:43:58.000 And man, it was awful.

00:44:01.000 And then three weeks later, I was playing basketball.

00:44:03.000 I loved playing basketball. 0.96

00:44:04.000 And fucking broke my ankle, and the UFC calls and says, hey, you want to fight on the Contender Series? 0.98

00:44:08.000 So when I say I've had injury after injury, and it keeps going. 0.99

00:44:12.000 Do you think, like, maybe I shouldn't play basketball?

00:44:15.000 Maybe I shouldn't do stuff outside?

00:44:17.000 Yeah, but here's the thing.

00:44:21.000 My theory on life, it could be wrong, I don't want to...

00:44:26.000 I don't want to cheat myself along the way to do the things that I still love, you know? 0.98

00:44:30.000 And if I have to stop, if I have to live so fucking careful, I'm gonna develop that habit to live like a fucking hermit crab. 0.99

00:44:37.000 Right. 0.99

00:44:38.000 And that's not me, man. 0.98

00:44:39.000 I get on a motorcycle, I'm going 205 fucking miles an hour. 0.99

00:44:41.000 Oh, Joe, don't do that. 0.99

00:44:43.000 But that's me, bro.

00:44:45.000 I'm a thrill seeker.

00:44:47.000 Do you remember Diego Corrales?

00:44:49.000 No, I don't know.

00:44:50.000 Followed boxing?

00:44:52.000 Diego Corrales was like...

00:44:54.000 He was involved in...

00:44:55.000 Is he the guy that's a paraplegic?

00:44:56.000 No, he's dead now.

00:44:56.000 He died in a motorcycle accident.

00:44:58.000 Good job, Joe.

00:44:59.000 He was a big boxer.

00:45:03.000 He's famous for the one fight.

00:45:05.000 Was it Jose Luis Castillo?

00:45:06.000 Is that what it was?

00:45:08.000 He had this fight with Jose Luis Castillo.

00:45:10.000 It was like one of the greatest displays of guts because he was out, man.

00:45:14.000 I mean, he was out.

00:45:15.000 He was battered.

00:45:16.000 His eyes were swollen.

00:45:17.000 Watch this fight.

00:45:18.000 Diego Corrales is in the white with the red stripes.

00:45:21.000 And Jose Luis Castillo, who's also a very tough guy, is the guy in the red.

00:45:27.000 And he rocks him and he hurts him.

00:45:31.000 I mean, Carouse looks like he's done.

00:45:33.000 I mean, he looks like he's done.

00:45:35.000 He gets hit with a perfect left hook.

00:45:36.000 He gets dropped.

00:45:39.000 And he gets up.

00:45:40.000 I mean, this is like an Arturo Gatti type performance.

00:45:48.000 I mean, it was one of those fights where you're just like, my God.

00:45:51.000 He gets up. 1.00

00:45:53.000 I mean, he is fucked. 1.00

00:45:54.000 He's fucked. 1.00

00:45:55.000 And Castillo catches him again. 1.00

00:45:56.000 I mean, it looks like the fight's over.

00:45:58.000 Some referees maybe even stop it right there. 1.00

00:46:02.000 You know?

00:46:02.000 I mean, some referees, you see you go down again like that, they're waving that off, right?

00:46:06.000 A lot of referees.

00:46:08.000 And then, I would say, good call.

00:46:10.000 Good stoppage.

00:46:11.000 The guy's done, right?

00:46:12.000 Watch this.

00:46:13.000 I mean, Corrales' left eye is completely swollen shut. 0.99

00:46:16.000 Can't see shit. 0.99

00:46:18.000 Gets dropped twice. 1.00

00:46:19.000 Looks like he can barely stand.

00:46:21.000 He's talking to the referee.

00:46:23.000 He's like, don't stop this.

00:46:24.000 Don't stop this.

00:46:25.000 I'm good.

00:46:30.000 So he puts his mouthpiece back in.

00:46:33.000 They're giving him some time here, which is nice.

00:46:36.000 Gets back out in there. 0.99

00:46:39.000 I mean, he's still fucked, right? 1.00

00:46:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:42.000 Yeah, you're not recovered. 1.00

00:46:43.000 He looks bad.

00:46:44.000 His legs don't look...

00:46:46.000 And Castillo's a very big puncher.

00:46:51.000 Yeah, he looks like he's with it.

00:46:53.000 And he gets clipped again.

00:46:57.000 I mean, this is like an all-time classic performance.

00:47:03.000 Oh, he's got him.

00:47:04.000 I mean, this is really like Mickey Ward and Arturo Gatti.

00:47:09.000 Castillo punched himself out.

00:47:10.000 And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden he comes back.

00:47:18.000 I mean, this is like from the verge of defeat.

00:47:23.000 He catches him with the left hook.

00:47:26.000 Yeah, I mean, Castillo's done.

00:47:29.000 See that look at his face.

00:47:30.000 But it's crazy if you think about how done Corrales was.

00:47:33.000 Then the referee stops it right there.

00:47:35.000 Yeah, he stops.

00:47:36.000 I mean, crazy, crazy, crazy comeback.

00:47:38.000 Well, Diego was a wild fella.

00:47:41.000 Yeah, it's crazy hard.

00:47:42.000 He died on a motorcycle.

00:47:44.000 Yeah, so I've heard so many bad stories, but you don't get into a car.

00:47:52.000 I'm going to give you my thought, right?

00:47:56.000 You won't get into your car, the car we talked about, the Camaro.

00:48:00.000 You won't get in that and be like, man, I could die driving this.

00:48:03.000 Now, you know the dangers of it.

00:48:05.000 Yeah.

00:48:05.000 You know how fast it is and whatnot, but you'll never, you'll never, like, I won't, I could die going in this cage.

00:48:10.000 Right.

00:48:11.000 I could get kicked, I could have one eye, I could be paraplegic, I could have my face broken, you know, and... 0.98

00:48:17.000 I get it. 0.97

00:48:17.000 You know what I mean? 0.97

00:48:18.000 So I just, I don't do things thinking that I'm gonna fail.

00:48:21.000 It's just, it's not in my brain.

00:48:23.000 Like, I won't, I don't know, I just won't do that.

00:48:26.000 I'm not worried about you.

00:48:27.000 I'll get scared.

00:48:27.000 I'm worried about the variabilities of the other people on the road.

00:48:29.000 The people I can't control.

00:48:30.000 You're driving, you're drunk, and all that nonsense.

00:48:34.000 Well, it makes you feel better.

00:48:35.000 I don't have one right now.

00:48:36.000 Good.

00:48:36.000 Nice.

00:48:36.000 And I got rid of it, so...

00:48:38.000 I live in a condo, so I got rid of it because I was going to put it in the house, and I was like, oh, my landlord wouldn't like that, so I was like...

00:48:44.000 You're going to ride the bike right into the house?

00:48:46.000 I was going to sit it in the living room.

00:48:49.000 But I didn't do it, so I got rid of it.

00:48:52.000 Yeah, I'm a thrill seeker, man.

00:48:54.000 I love cars.

00:48:55.000 Well, you tell me about your Evo.

00:48:56.000 Yeah, I got that Evo 8, baby.

00:48:58.000 Wide body.

00:48:59.000 Yeah?

00:49:00.000 Yeah, big turbo.

00:49:01.000 You got a picture of it?

00:49:02.000 Yeah, I do.

00:49:02.000 Dude, it's nice.

00:49:03.000 Send it to Jamie.

00:49:04.000 You get an airdropper to him. 1.00

00:49:06.000 That's a fucking great car. 0.99

00:49:07.000 All right, cool, because I got my tag on the back. 0.99

00:49:09.000 Those are great cars.

00:49:10.000 So you built that, right?

00:49:11.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:12.000 So it had a 4G64, and now I'm going 4G63. So I'll send you two pictures so that you can see the front and the back.

00:49:22.000 For people who don't know, explain what that car is.

00:49:24.000 So that car is an all-wheel drive 2006 Mitsubishi Evo.

00:49:30.000 It's a wild little car, man.

00:49:31.000 Super light, crazy handling.

00:49:35.000 Did I not save your number, Jamie?

00:49:37.000 I'm going to send it to you, Joe.

00:49:38.000 You can airdrop it.

00:49:38.000 Okay, send it to me.

00:49:40.000 Does the airdrop work?

00:49:41.000 Can you see Jamie on the airdrop?

00:49:42.000 All right, let me see.

00:49:43.000 Yeah, one second.

00:49:44.000 I'm looking through your Instagram, too.

00:49:46.000 You had other awesome cars on there, but not the Evo.

00:49:49.000 Jamie, there he is.

00:49:50.000 MacBook Pro?

00:49:51.000 Yep.

00:49:51.000 Cool.

00:49:54.000 Got it.

00:49:56.000 Got it?

00:49:58.000 Yeah, so that's been my therapy, right?

00:50:01.000 So I've always wanted to be in the car as my neighbor when I was young.

00:50:06.000 His name was Henry Papiano.

00:50:08.000 Good dude.

00:50:09.000 Honestly, I love him because we don't talk all the time and I haven't talked to him in years.

00:50:15.000 Yeah, that's my baby.

00:50:16.000 That's a wild little car, dude.

00:50:18.000 It was built, the body and the paint, that's an actual P1 McLaren paint job.

00:50:22.000 It's the real actual paint of it.

00:50:24.000 And obviously it's got the Voltex on there, the wheels.

00:50:27.000 So I bought the car built as is with a 4G64 in it, but now it has a 4G63. How many horsepower does that thing have?

00:50:34.000 That setup was the 4G64 block, so that made estimated, from what I was told from who I bought it from, that it made 808. Yeah.

00:50:43.000 It's got a full roll cage.

00:50:44.000 It's so crazy.

00:50:45.000 Yeah.

00:50:46.000 That car's gotta weigh 2,000 pounds.

00:50:47.000 Now, man, let me tell you.

00:50:48.000 What does it weigh?

00:50:49.000 It's like almost 4,000 pounds.

00:50:52.000 Really?

00:50:52.000 Is that heavy?

00:50:53.000 Yeah, I think it's 38 to 4,100 pounds, something like that.

00:50:57.000 Dude, that is...

00:50:58.000 You like my tag?

00:51:00.000 For body bags.

00:51:02.000 We got JP bags, baby.

00:51:05.000 So cars, man, I'll smile all day.

00:51:07.000 I could be around cars all day.

00:51:09.000 It's definitely something that's like a therapy for me.

00:51:10.000 It's how I found, like, I don't know, man.

00:51:12.000 I love it.

00:51:13.000 I love it.

00:51:14.000 808 horsepower is nuts.

00:51:15.000 It's the most agile car.

00:51:16.000 So I've driven the Lamborghini Aventador, which was the dream car of mine.

00:51:20.000 In fact, Royalty Exotics in Vegas, they always hook me up every fight.

00:51:25.000 Yeah, man, they're going down memory lane.

00:51:27.000 I was trying to find your car.

00:51:29.000 That's a wild car, man.

00:51:31.000 Yeah, that was the first Corvette I ever bought.

00:51:34.000 It was a C5-Z06. Stock as hell. 1.00

00:51:37.000 Oh, those are fun cars, though.

00:51:38.000 It was a turd.

00:51:39.000 They're fun, though.

00:51:40.000 They're kind of plasticky.

00:51:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:43.000 But you know what?

00:51:43.000 I have to say, my dream car was a C6-Z06. I wound up getting one.

00:51:48.000 And then I didn't like the interior compared to that one.

00:51:51.000 Right.

00:51:52.000 Because I like the leather.

00:51:53.000 I like the old look.

00:51:53.000 I don't like the plastic look of a lot of modern cars.

00:51:56.000 Well, Corvette nailed it with the new interior. 0.94

00:51:59.000 The new interior is perfect.

00:52:00.000 Yeah.

00:52:00.000 So the new interior is cool, but I hate the C8 look because they took away from the traditional long snout, you know, rear wheel drive.

00:52:08.000 Now it's a mid-engine, short snout.

00:52:11.000 I'm not a fan of it, and I can't fit in it very well.

00:52:14.000 Right.

00:52:14.000 So I don't like it.

00:52:15.000 That's why I will never buy a Lamborghini.

00:52:17.000 I'll never buy a Ferrari.

00:52:18.000 I won't buy a Porsche.

00:52:19.000 I don't fit in it.

00:52:20.000 And I think Porsche's ugly. 1.00

00:52:22.000 Really?

00:52:22.000 How dare you?

00:52:23.000 I know.

00:52:24.000 Yo, I will say, driving a GT3 is amazing, though.

00:52:27.000 But the Evo?

00:52:28.000 Man, I've never driven a car that fun in my life.

00:52:31.000 It's wild what you can do with some of those Japanese cars.

00:52:33.000 Like with some of the things that people do to GTRs.

00:52:35.000 Yeah.

00:52:36.000 They have GTRs that are like 2,000 horsepower.

00:52:38.000 Yeah, it's insane.

00:52:39.000 Call them Godzillas. 1.00

00:52:40.000 Fucking insane! 1.00

00:52:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:42.000 Have you ever been to a drag strip? 1.00

00:52:44.000 Yes.

00:52:44.000 Yeah?

00:52:45.000 You've raced?

00:52:45.000 No, I've never driven a car on a drag strip.

00:52:48.000 Now, would you?

00:52:48.000 No.

00:52:49.000 I'm not interested in doing that.

00:52:50.000 No?

00:52:50.000 I've seen too many of them go like this.

00:52:52.000 Whee! 1.00

00:52:53.000 Bang! 1.00

00:52:53.000 Oh, like float up in the air? 1.00

00:52:54.000 Oh, man.

00:52:55.000 Yeah, that's scary.

00:52:56.000 I think you're making a little bit more than 1,000 horsepower, though, doing that.

00:53:01.000 Oh, to go up in the air like that?

00:53:02.000 Yeah.

00:53:02.000 I mean, they probably got no weight in that thing.

00:53:05.000 Like, you know what I mean?

00:53:05.000 I'm not gutting a car.

00:53:07.000 I don't want it.

00:53:08.000 I saw a 67 Corvette recently do that.

00:53:11.000 On YouTube or Instagram or something like that just took to the air.

00:53:15.000 Just the guy was just and then up in the air.

00:53:19.000 See I'll get out of there.

00:53:20.000 I'm not that ballsy.

00:53:21.000 Like if I start feeling like I'm lifting I'm out.

00:53:24.000 You saw it?

00:53:26.000 Yeah, that's a scary proposition when you're going that fast in a straight line your car just catches air.

00:53:33.000 What's the fastest you've been in a car?

00:53:35.000 On a racetrack?

00:53:36.000 Yeah.

00:53:36.000 I think I was 178, 179. Pump those numbers up, baby.

00:53:42.000 Yeah, no, I'm good.

00:53:43.000 Look at that thing catching air.

00:53:45.000 Yeah, there it goes.

00:53:45.000 Look at that guy.

00:53:46.000 That guy's launching through the fucking air, son. 1.00

00:53:48.000 That guy said, fuck it, full send. 1.00

00:53:50.000 Hey, what a great... 1.00

00:53:51.000 Wow, look at that.

00:53:53.000 That is nuts, though.

00:53:55.000 That's crazy, but yeah, he was fully in the air. 0.98

00:53:56.000 That dude did some good shit in his life to not die there. 0.99

00:53:59.000 Yeah, right? 0.99

00:54:00.000 It was fully in the air.

00:54:02.000 Bro, I'd be so mad.

00:54:03.000 I'd be so upset.

00:54:04.000 My car is messed up now.

00:54:06.000 Such a beautiful car.

00:54:07.000 I've been watching Car Masters on Netflix.

00:54:09.000 Oh, okay.

00:54:10.000 Yeah, I don't know if you've ever watched it.

00:54:11.000 No, I haven't watched it. 0.99

00:54:12.000 Bro, it's like they take like rust buckets, pieces of shit, like everybody would write off. 1.00

00:54:16.000 You know, they do shit like Zephyrs. 1.00

00:54:18.000 They put a 383 stroker motor in a Tesla. 1.00

00:54:22.000 Oh, wow.

00:54:22.000 So it's pretty cool.

00:54:23.000 Yeah, I love watching that stuff.

00:54:25.000 That's like what I watch before I go to bed.

00:54:26.000 Yeah, I love cars.

00:54:29.000 Yeah.

00:54:29.000 I mean, it's going to be a sad day when there's no cars.

00:54:32.000 Because I feel like that's coming. 0.94

00:54:34.000 I feel like they're trying the World Economic Forum and all these fucking psychos are trying to make it so that no one owns a car. 0.98

00:54:40.000 And Teslas are great, man. 0.98

00:54:41.000 No, I mean, like, I hate them as far...

00:54:43.000 Yeah, like, I've driven them.

00:54:44.000 Don't like it.

00:54:44.000 I don't like the automatic braking.

00:54:46.000 I don't like all the, like, gadgets.

00:54:47.000 Like, the...

00:54:48.000 It's like a big-ass iPad.

00:54:50.000 It is.

00:54:50.000 I want, like, a knob to turn.

00:54:52.000 Yeah.

00:54:53.000 But I'm also American Muscle, like, old school.

00:54:54.000 I'm also import, too, but...

00:54:56.000 No, obviously with the Evo.

00:54:57.000 But I do love muscle cars.

00:54:59.000 If I had to choose like one car that gives me the most joy, it's old muscle cars.

00:55:03.000 Do you have a particular car?

00:55:04.000 Not really.

00:55:05.000 I like them all.

00:55:06.000 You don't have a favorite and of everything you've got you don't have a specific? 0.96

00:55:08.000 No, I have a 70 Chevelle that I fucking love. 0.97

00:55:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:55:11.000 It's so raw. 0.99

00:55:12.000 It's a 454 and it's pumped up.

00:55:15.000 It's got like 650 horsepower.

00:55:17.000 It's a perfect balance, big ass fat tires.

00:55:20.000 It's a roadster shop car too, so it handles and brakes real well.

00:55:24.000 There's something about those cars.

00:55:26.000 That's exactly what my neighbor had.

00:55:28.000 He had a Chevelle, and that's what started it for me.

00:55:30.000 I remember being maybe six, seven years old.

00:55:34.000 And we were poor, man.

00:55:35.000 My parents combined never made more than $30,000 in a household of seven combined.

00:55:40.000 But, yeah, I mean, I remember him ripping down.

00:55:43.000 He had an orange one.

00:55:44.000 He did the motor himself, and he would rip down.

00:55:46.000 As soon as he put me, you know what? 0.99

00:55:48.000 I think that's what got me hooked on this adrenaline shit. 0.99

00:55:50.000 He took me for a ride one time. 0.99

00:55:52.000 I'm like, my dad's a deadbeat, bro.

00:55:53.000 I'll never get to do this.

00:55:55.000 So I was like, I want the neighbor to be my dad.

00:55:57.000 But he took me for a ride the first time I went over $100,000.

00:55:59.000 And I was like...

00:56:01.000 I just remember being like, oh my god, dude, so cool.

00:56:05.000 And it's the sound, the feel of those things, too.

00:56:09.000 When I was, I think I was like 16, a buddy of mine picked me up in his friend's car.

00:56:14.000 And his friend, they were, you know, just pick me up, we're gonna go somewhere.

00:56:17.000 And his friend had a 70 Chevelle.

00:56:20.000 And it was perfect.

00:56:21.000 It was just cherry.

00:56:23.000 It was a black with white stripes, the tuxedo one, which is what I have.

00:56:27.000 And I remember thinking, at 16 years, how can this guy own this?

00:56:31.000 How is it possible that a person could own this perfect car?

00:56:36.000 I couldn't imagine it.

00:56:37.000 I couldn't imagine it.

00:56:39.000 Do you remember how old you were?

00:56:40.000 I think I was 16. I was in high school, for sure.

00:56:42.000 And I remember he ran out of gas and coasted.

00:56:46.000 He ran out of gas at the perfect time and coasted right into the gas station.

00:56:51.000 I mean, it was like, This guy's the coolest guy that's ever lived.

00:56:54.000 He ran out of gas.

00:56:55.000 He's got the perfect car.

00:56:56.000 He coasted into this gas station.

00:56:59.000 Here's what I like about the car people, the car world.

00:57:03.000 Because if you're a car guy, somewhere along the line, I mean, especially if you're building your own cars, your blue collar, right? 0.99

00:57:09.000 Like, they could teach you shit. 0.99

00:57:11.000 You know, I have these nerds today. 1.00

00:57:13.000 They're calling AAA or, I don't know, fucking AA. I don't know what it is. 0.98

00:57:17.000 But...

00:57:17.000 They can't even change a tire.

00:57:20.000 Where's the oil go?

00:57:22.000 It's like, bro, you call yourself a man, but you can't change a tire.

00:57:25.000 You can't change oil.

00:57:26.000 You don't know what to do if the car starts.

00:57:27.000 You don't know anything. 1.00

00:57:29.000 You're useless. 1.00

00:57:29.000 That is the thing with modern cars. 1.00

00:57:31.000 You open them up and it's a computer.

00:57:32.000 There's just so much going on in there.

00:57:35.000 There's an ECU that's powering everything.

00:57:38.000 Not unless you've got a standalone.

00:57:40.000 That's true.

00:57:42.000 No, but that's actually the issue I think I'm going to run into with this new build on the Evo.

00:57:46.000 I think I'm going to have to get a standalone and get it tuned there, get a MoTeC or something like that.

00:57:52.000 Because there's only so much you can do with a stock ECU, you know what I mean? 0.86

00:57:55.000 Like safety fails and shit like that.

00:57:57.000 I'm sure you probably have it on some of your cars, but you've got to have your safety fails so you don't blow it up again. 0.55

00:58:01.000 Yeah.

00:58:02.000 You know Gordon Ryan?

00:58:03.000 Yes.

00:58:03.000 Gordon Ryan is now obsessed with Vipers.

00:58:06.000 He's trying to get me to buy one of these Calvo Vipers.

00:58:08.000 That's my dream car.

00:58:10.000 2017 Dodge Viper ACR. You seen the fucking Pennzoil commercial? 0.99

00:58:14.000 Yes. 1.00

00:58:15.000 Bro, I like borderline cry watching that.

00:58:17.000 I'm like...

00:58:17.000 Find that commercial.

00:58:19.000 Man.

00:58:19.000 That car is a monster.

00:58:21.000 But there's a company...

00:58:22.000 It's Calvo, right?

00:58:23.000 It's the best looking...

00:58:24.000 Yeah, it's gotta be.

00:58:26.000 Yeah.

00:58:27.000 There's one of the...

00:58:28.000 They're around the country.

00:58:30.000 Well, there's one company that's in town that jacks them up to like 2,000 horsepower.

00:58:37.000 Oh, man. 1.00

00:58:38.000 Dude, this shit makes me want to cry. 1.00

00:58:40.000 I can't wait one day. 1.00

00:58:41.000 Mark my words.

00:58:42.000 The Last Viper.

00:58:45.000 It's absolutely an amazing car.

00:58:47.000 It's just the sound.

00:58:49.000 Look at the way that thing looks.

00:58:51.000 God.

00:58:51.000 And that hood.

00:58:52.000 The hood with the vents in it.

00:58:54.000 It's that wing, too, though.

00:58:55.000 Everything.

00:58:56.000 Everything.

00:58:56.000 Remember the TV show where the Viper changed?

00:58:59.000 No.

00:59:00.000 It was like 1995. I thought it was real.

00:59:03.000 It changed from the red convertible to the yellow hardtop.

00:59:06.000 No.

00:59:07.000 You thought it was real?

00:59:08.000 How old were you? 0.99

00:59:09.000 Damn, I don't like it. 1.00

00:59:11.000 Look at that fucking thing. 1.00

00:59:15.000 That's how I drive, too. 1.00

00:59:17.000 I bet. 1.00

00:59:19.000 Look at that fucking thing. 1.00

00:59:19.000 I'm just not as good as that guy. 1.00

00:59:21.000 And you can't get that bitch in an automatic. 1.00

00:59:23.000 It doesn't exist. 1.00

00:59:24.000 That fucking automatic. 1.00

00:59:25.000 You don't get a fast car in an automatic, man. 1.00

00:59:27.000 Not that one.

00:59:28.000 Not that one. 1.00

00:59:29.000 Look at that motherfucker. 1.00

00:59:30.000 That is a goddamn monster. 1.00

00:59:32.000 That is an American monster right there. 1.00

00:59:36.000 It's got that supercar sound.

00:59:38.000 That V12. Good lord. 0.61

00:59:40.000 Is it a V10? I think it's a V10. V10. Yeah.

00:59:44.000 Look at that fucking... 1.00

00:59:45.000 Look at the fire coming out of the sides! 1.00

00:59:48.000 That's beautiful, man. 1.00

00:59:53.000 Whoever drove that knows how to fucking drive. 0.99

00:59:58.000 What a car. 1.00

01:00:01.000 If you don't get excited by this, move somewhere else.

01:00:04.000 Bro, my heart starts racing watching it. 1.00

01:00:06.000 Yeah, you need to go to another country, motherfucker. 1.00

01:00:08.000 Bro, I get more adrenaline from driving like that than fighting. 1.00

01:00:12.000 Look at that fucking thing. 1.00

01:00:14.000 Good lord. 1.00

01:00:16.000 Good lord.

01:00:20.000 That thing is amazing.

01:00:22.000 Dodge, let's hook it up, dude. 1.00

01:00:23.000 You need to have me on your team.

01:00:26.000 I love Dodge.

01:00:27.000 I have a Ram.

01:00:28.000 I have a TRX that I got from John Hennessey.

01:00:31.000 Do you like that?

01:00:32.000 It's got a thousand horsepower.

01:00:33.000 Do you like a truck that fast? 1.00

01:00:34.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:00:35.000 I love that one. 1.00

01:00:37.000 Yeah.

01:00:38.000 I love that one.

01:00:39.000 Don't say that out loud.

01:00:40.000 Sean Brady would be upset with a small-ass Ford Raptor.

01:00:43.000 Oh, those are great, too.

01:00:44.000 No, they're good.

01:00:45.000 He's got a nice one.

01:00:45.000 Raptors are great.

01:00:46.000 The new one, the Raptor R, the V8 one is insane, and Hennessey's doing that, too.

01:00:50.000 He's taking that up to 1,000 horsepower.

01:00:51.000 Is the Raptor R a twin-turbo?

01:00:52.000 No, it must be.

01:00:54.000 It's either supercharged or twin-turbo.

01:00:57.000 I don't know.

01:00:57.000 Well, I mean, regular Raptors are usually turboed.

01:01:00.000 The regular Raptors are turbo six, and this is, I think it has the same engine as the GT500. I think that's the idea behind it, because it's 700 stock from the factory.

01:01:12.000 And then Hennessy takes it and he jacks it up.

01:01:14.000 So I'm 99% sure it's supercharged.

01:01:17.000 You don't remember this TV show?

01:01:18.000 No.

01:01:19.000 No, I never saw this.

01:01:20.000 You thought this was real, Jamie?

01:01:21.000 I was 10. I've never heard of a Viper in my life.

01:01:24.000 It just changes the color.

01:01:26.000 Did you believe in Santa as a kid?

01:01:27.000 He did, until he was 12. Damn! 1.00

01:01:31.000 Viper. 1.00

01:01:31.000 That was a TV show? 1.00

01:01:32.000 Growing up, we didn't get the joy. 0.99

01:01:36.000 There was no fucking Santa. 1.00

01:01:37.000 There was no, like, hey, motherfucker, we ain't got money, you're not getting no gifts. 1.00

01:01:41.000 We used to have the church donate us gifts and whatnot, because I grew up Christian and whatnot. 0.99

01:01:48.000 There was no Santa.

01:01:49.000 It's horrible for you as a child, but I firmly believe that being poor as a kid is also a supercharger.

01:01:55.000 It's like a superpower.

01:01:57.000 There's something about it.

01:01:58.000 You're grateful.

01:01:59.000 You're grateful, and you can't replace that.

01:02:02.000 If you have someone that grows up wealthy, and then they become successful in life, they're never going to have that same gear.

01:02:11.000 As a person who grows up poor.

01:02:12.000 There's something about growing up poor. 1.00

01:02:14.000 It sucks. 0.99

01:02:15.000 It gives you a burning desire for the things that you want. 1.00

01:02:18.000 Yeah.

01:02:18.000 And you want to figure it out.

01:02:20.000 I mean, these kids that are born into money, it's actually someone we both know where it's like sometimes...

01:02:27.000 And even people back home, it's like I know people that have kids where it's like they don't know how to fit in because status and money and shit like that.

01:02:38.000 So that could be damaging for a kid, you know?

01:02:40.000 Yeah.

01:02:41.000 It's good to have him in sports.

01:02:43.000 It's good to have him in school, you know, curriculums, like after school activities.

01:02:47.000 And I always tell everybody that's like, got a boy if he's got an attitude problem. 1.00

01:02:50.000 Like, put that motherfucker in wrestling, man. 1.00

01:02:52.000 100%. 1.00

01:02:52.000 Wrestling is the best thing for a troubled kid. 1.00

01:02:54.000 100%.

01:02:56.000 Because there's no easy wrestling.

01:02:59.000 No, man.

01:02:59.000 But you have to show respect to your coaches.

01:03:02.000 You have to show up on time.

01:03:03.000 You pay if you're late.

01:03:05.000 You get broken down, too.

01:03:06.000 You get broken down.

01:03:06.000 It's good.

01:03:07.000 That's the thing.

01:03:08.000 They're getting broken down.

01:03:09.000 And then the kind of status you get from that, you really feel that.

01:03:13.000 That's earned status.

01:03:14.000 It's a different status.

01:03:15.000 It's a team score, individual grading.

01:03:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:19.000 It's cool, man.

01:03:20.000 Wrestling, my life got real tough once I got to...

01:03:24.000 Once I left home.

01:03:26.000 My parents divorced at 15. I testified I never wanted to see my mom again.

01:03:30.000 Then I left with my dad.

01:03:33.000 The other branch of that story is you got the abuse from at least my earliest memory of four and a half, five years old until 15 years old.

01:03:42.000 Then we leave.

01:03:43.000 I go to PA with my dad because My mom basically hated my guts.

01:03:47.000 It was such a divided family.

01:03:50.000 It was the girls and my mom.

01:03:52.000 We lived the farm life.

01:03:54.000 I grew up a farm boy against my dad and the fighter.

01:03:58.000 I was a puppet.

01:04:01.000 I just mimicked everything that he said.

01:04:04.000 I chose my dad because I didn't want to lose wrestling or jiu-jitsu or boxing and everything.

01:04:09.000 But then when I got up to PA, he had already had a girl he was laid up in that it was like That's all that mattered to him.

01:04:16.000 And then she worked. 0.99

01:04:17.000 He doesn't work.

01:04:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:19.000 So he found somebody to prey on, to manipulate, to do his thing.

01:04:22.000 And then it was like, I don't need my kid no more after I went to court.

01:04:25.000 I didn't understand the consequences of testifying in court against your mom and being dragged to court out of school and that humiliation.

01:04:34.000 And...

01:04:36.000 You know, I didn't talk to my mom and my sisters for years.

01:04:39.000 And we don't talk currently.

01:04:40.000 We haven't talked since before I got into UFC. And we haven't talked since before I broke my arm.

01:04:45.000 Wow.

01:04:46.000 Because I knocked my sister's boyfriend out for being a meth head.

01:04:49.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:04:50.000 Yeah.

01:04:51.000 So, yeah, it is what it is.

01:04:54.000 But yeah, man, I mean, once I moved up to PA, that was the worst.

01:04:59.000 Like, that short span from 15 to, like, 18 was like, man, like, I was ready to, I was out.

01:05:07.000 So where were you staying during that time?

01:05:09.000 So I stayed in Media PA. I lived in, I lived in, it's Pennsylvania, but it's like 25 minutes outside of Philadelphia.

01:05:17.000 So it's like the suburb city.

01:05:20.000 Honestly, it's like a bougie...

01:05:22.000 It's not bougie, but it's like a townie, nice town.

01:05:26.000 And, you know, everything was new to me.

01:05:28.000 I came from a school of 330 kids.

01:05:30.000 I got into high school.

01:05:31.000 I was in a school of like 1,600 kids.

01:05:33.000 It cost four grades. 1.00

01:05:34.000 But they were all like preppy fuckers. 1.00

01:05:36.000 Like... 1.00

01:05:37.000 Kids down in South Jersey where I grew up, they were all fighting each other, beating each other up, jumping each other after school. 0.99

01:05:43.000 Up here, everybody would talk shit and nobody would fight. 0.95

01:05:45.000 So it was like a weird thing for me to adjust. 0.98

01:05:47.000 I didn't have friends, I didn't have a phone until I started getting a job.

01:05:52.000 Yeah, man, it was weird.

01:05:54.000 It was really weird.

01:05:54.000 I lived in a two-bedroom apartment, and my dad, his girl at the time, which he's married to now, and her two daughters, we all lived in a two-bedroom apartment.

01:06:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:10.000 So it was a terrible living situation.

01:06:15.000 And then the beatings, man, I swear to God, he used to beat me up just to prove that he could... 0.91

01:06:20.000 Beat me, you know, and show his girl that he was tough, and he, you know, like, nobody could fuck with him type of deal, and it was just like, man, so it got real dark, man, and started, like, stomping me, breaking my, like, broke my teeth. 0.95

01:06:33.000 I had two crowns, you know, because of him, because of breaking my teeth, and I would curl up. 0.96

01:06:37.000 Like, he would punch me like a grown man, but I would curl up, but he would throw uppercuts.

01:06:40.000 Like, that's how intent this guy was on getting me.

01:06:42.000 And, um... 0.99

01:06:45.000 The last fight we had, it was over a fucking game called Uncharted 3. We were playing co-op, but because I would get more kills than him, this is the kind of shit he would rage at. 0.99

01:06:55.000 Mind you, throughout all these years, he's on SSD. The reason being, he had a car accident. 0.99

01:07:00.000 He was an oil truck driver.

01:07:02.000 I forget the story of who blew the light, but when he was going through the light, he got t-boned, or he t-boned somebody, blew out his back, had to get surgery.

01:07:10.000 Apparently it failed. 0.98

01:07:12.000 Whenever he wanted to jump up and whoop your ass, though, dude wasn't crippled no more. 0.98

01:07:16.000 So it's crazy, you know, and he would go box 15 rounds, but throughout 2004, all the way until I was 15 years old, and then some, this man was on narcotics all the time. 0.98

01:07:28.000 He was on Vicodin, Percocet, Oxy.

01:07:30.000 And he definitely was addicted.

01:07:33.000 There was never a time that I didn't see it. 0.99

01:07:35.000 The dude used to have like 60 fucking bottles of it. 0.99

01:07:37.000 And he would take medicine and then he would drink two yinglings. 1.00

01:07:42.000 And I think when I look back, I'm like, man, that shit will make a motherfucker angry. 1.00

01:07:47.000 And... 1.00

01:07:49.000 Yeah, I mean, it just got worse as I got older, but I remember the last fight that we had, it was, you know, I used to, I remember I used to look at him and be crying and say, you know, like, how come you don't love me?

01:07:59.000 Like, I got this empty hole in my chest, because I didn't understand emotion, so I'd, like, try to plead with him, like, yo, like, something's wrong with me, I got something, I got a hole, I got...

01:08:07.000 I got a hole in my heart or my chest.

01:08:09.000 I don't know how to explain it. 1.00

01:08:13.000 The things he would say in rebuttal would be like, fucking kill yourself. 1.00

01:08:16.000 Your feelings don't matter. 1.00

01:08:17.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:08:18.000 When I say jump, you say how high. 1.00

01:08:20.000 There was no remorse for anything he did, and I think that's why I despise him.

01:08:25.000 The dude hurt me.

01:08:28.000 He hurt me for a lot of years that I had to repair.

01:08:32.000 And even then, I still carry over some bad Bad attitude problems. 0.99

01:08:37.000 And, you know, the dude fucking... 1.00

01:08:40.000 It got to the point where it was like, either I'm going to kill myself or I'm going to kill him. 1.00

01:08:44.000 And finally he beat me half to death the one day. 0.98

01:08:47.000 I mean, beat me half to death.

01:08:49.000 And I packed a bag of clothes and he came out. 1.00

01:08:52.000 He pulled a fucking knife on me, said he was going to kill me with it. 1.00

01:08:54.000 I shoved him, ran out the fucking door, never went back. 1.00

01:08:57.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:08:58.000 Never went back.

01:08:59.000 How old were you then?

01:09:00.000 16. I was either 16 and the week after 17. I don't remember.

01:09:07.000 But I was within two weeks of turning 17 when I left.

01:09:11.000 Or I just turned 17 and then left.

01:09:14.000 So it was in the month of September. 0.99

01:09:16.000 Goddamn. 0.98

01:09:17.000 And yeah, so I left, slept in the park for a couple nights, and then I wound up standing up for a kid, a black kid that was getting called Rachel Slurs, and that was my first friend I had made, and yeah, I mean, he wound up having... 0.99

01:09:34.000 He definitely was on the spectrum.

01:09:35.000 He wasn't the smartest kid.

01:09:38.000 Unfortunately, he had some things that people would pick on him for, like being overweight, and he would say some weird stuff and whatnot, but yeah, he was the first friend that I developed, and his brother was in Juvie for arson, trying to light somebody's house on fire, and he was adopted by a white man. 0.98

01:09:58.000 But the house that they lived in, bro, it was the most disgusting living environment you could fucking think of. 0.96

01:10:06.000 Cat piss infested, hoarder of comics that were all destroyed from cat piss. 0.99

01:10:12.000 Like every part of the house would have been sticky like your shoes would stick to the fucking floor and there were shit everywhere the smell was like a pneumonia Maggots in the sink because he refused for about four years to fix the garbage disposal That's how long I sat there broken live wire on the overhead of the oven so I lived in there and I wind up with I used to run papers to the courthouse and make like 75 bucks a week and So every time I would make a little bit of money, 0.97

01:10:38.000 and his dad would give me some money sometimes to try and help straighten up the house. 0.99

01:10:42.000 And I would buy bleach and fucking bleach shit and try to clean. 1.00

01:10:46.000 Bro, it was disgusting. 1.00

01:10:47.000 You could wash your clothes six fucking times and it would still smell like cat piss and pneumonia. 1.00

01:10:53.000 And it was very embarrassing, very humbling. 1.00

01:10:56.000 Way to live.

01:10:57.000 And I lived off instant food, like microwave food, for the next two years.

01:11:03.000 All my wrestling high school years. 0.98

01:11:06.000 The next two years that I was there, everything was either donated food from my wrestling coach, Will Harmon, who fucking... 0.97

01:11:15.000 Man, that was my saving grace when I went to that school. 0.89

01:11:19.000 I don't want to miss that part.

01:11:20.000 That's important to me.

01:11:22.000 That man is the whole reason I'm in the UFC now.

01:11:25.000 Wow. 0.99

01:11:27.000 Goddamn, dude. 0.99

01:11:28.000 Those were the living conditions, man. 1.00

01:11:29.000 I mean, fucking... 0.99

01:11:31.000 And my wrestling coach would come to the house. 1.00

01:11:33.000 Then I had truancy officers coming after me because I missed so much school.

01:11:38.000 It was either Dyfus or some child services at a certain point that was like, who's taking care of you?

01:11:43.000 Who's your caregiver?

01:11:44.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:11:45.000 You know, I had a nasty response for them and nothing kind of came of it, but it was like, do I look like I'm fucking unhealthy?

01:11:51.000 I remember slamming the door in the woman's face because I thought they were going to try and take me from the house. 0.97

01:11:56.000 But yeah, man, it was shitty times and, you know, life beats you up in ways that you're not prepared for and doesn't change.

01:12:05.000 No matter how much money you make, no matter...

01:12:08.000 You're here.

01:12:09.000 You're here.

01:12:10.000 There's always going to be a problem.

01:12:11.000 It's just how you roll with it.

01:12:12.000 Well, for sure.

01:12:13.000 But having been through the problems that you've been through, I guarantee you know how to navigate problems better than most people.

01:12:20.000 I voice it a lot, you know?

01:12:22.000 People always think I'm bitching. 1.00

01:12:24.000 But I just, I'm a bro, and I am. 0.94

01:12:26.000 Sometimes I bitch, you know, because that's my way of coping. 0.70

01:12:29.000 I'll put it out there so it's not stuck inside. 0.76

01:12:31.000 And that's something that's worked for me.

01:12:32.000 You know, I say a lot of things that I feel.

01:12:35.000 And as long as I get it out, I'm happy, you know what I mean?

01:12:38.000 Or at least I'm settled.

01:12:40.000 I don't have that, like, anger, like, waiting to explode, you know?

01:12:43.000 That's the worst.

01:12:44.000 Did you ever think of where you would be if it wasn't for martial arts in that same situation? 0.86

01:12:48.000 Well, I'd kill myself. 1.00

01:12:50.000 I would kill myself, 100%. 0.99

01:12:51.000 I struggled even when I had it, you know, and that's the... 0.70

01:12:56.000 It's one of the only things that gets people out.

01:13:00.000 Yeah, I just didn't see a life for me, man. 1.00

01:13:02.000 I was so stupid. 1.00

01:13:04.000 And when I say stupid, like, the whole time that my dad's a stay-at-home dad, and I want to give credit to my mother, too. 1.00

01:13:10.000 You know, my mother, I never really felt like, loved me that much. 0.99

01:13:14.000 And, you know, it is what it is, but...

01:13:17.000 My mom worked her ass off, and that's why I get my work ethic. 0.99

01:13:20.000 That woman held two jobs. 1.00

01:13:22.000 She did what she could to provide.

01:13:23.000 She wasn't, you know, she wasn't a bum. 1.00

01:13:27.000 She tried.

01:13:28.000 And she did the best she could with a dude like that.

01:13:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:33.000 She never had another man, still hasn't had another man to this day.

01:13:36.000 She was married to him for 20 years.

01:13:38.000 They had five blood kids.

01:13:40.000 And, uh...

01:13:42.000 Yeah, I mean, I owe my mom respect for that because she's a hard-working woman. 0.99

01:13:48.000 And it didn't matter if she used to work at ShopRite, Home Depot, those were her two jobs, and then CNA, and, you know, she did what she could, you know?

01:13:55.000 So I respect her for that. 1.00

01:13:57.000 And, yeah, I mean, fuck, man. 0.99

01:14:01.000 That dude was not teaching us homeschool is my point for years. 1.00

01:14:04.000 You were afraid to ask him to fucking give you a spelling bee. 1.00

01:14:08.000 Because he was sitting at the fucking computer playing games. 1.00

01:14:11.000 So if you did it, what the fuck do you want? 1.00

01:14:12.000 What the fuck are you bothering me? 1.00

01:14:14.000 It was always a huge explosion. 1.00

01:14:16.000 So you're a kid, and you know from getting beat by this person, it's like, I don't want to make him mad. 0.99

01:14:21.000 He might fucking slap me. 0.99

01:14:22.000 He might hit me. 1.00

01:14:23.000 He might do something.

01:14:24.000 So all of us were scared. 0.98

01:14:25.000 We didn't fucking learn anything. 0.99

01:14:27.000 I tested again in public school. 1.00

01:14:29.000 Motherfucker, they held me back. 1.00

01:14:30.000 I was dumb as shit. 1.00

01:14:33.000 Like, it is what it is. 0.99

01:14:35.000 So, yeah, I mean, so my point is making light of something, you know, dark, you know, but then coming back to the dark side, man, if I didn't have MMA, I don't think I would be successful.

01:14:48.000 I don't think I would have been strong enough.

01:14:50.000 I don't think I would have had confidence, and I think life would have broke me, man.

01:14:54.000 I think I would have taken, you know, the easy way out.

01:14:58.000 You're in a great position now, though, man.

01:15:00.000 You know, I know you've gone through hell, but I really do think that it's prepared you in a way that nothing else does.

01:15:09.000 You know, just for the ability to overcome adversity, the ability to deal with things, and again, the superpower of that horrible childhood.

01:15:16.000 It sounds like a terrible thing, I would never wish it on anyone, but when I know that someone has been through that, and then you see them succeeding, that's a special kind of person.

01:15:25.000 That's a person that's got some extra gears.

01:15:28.000 Yeah.

01:15:29.000 But you know who taught me that?

01:15:31.000 The people I reached out to.

01:15:33.000 I was so broken, but I never stopped asking questions.

01:15:37.000 Sammy Orpiza.

01:15:39.000 He was someone I always looked up to.

01:15:41.000 He was 13-3.

01:15:42.000 He fought in Bellator.

01:15:43.000 He wound up retiring because he had kids, and he was working two jobs.

01:15:47.000 It wasn't something he wanted anymore, but he was someone I always idolized.

01:15:52.000 Eddie Alvarez was someone I always idolized.

01:15:54.000 I still talk to him today.

01:15:56.000 He's awesome.

01:15:57.000 But I would always see him go to the gym, go home. 0.59

01:16:00.000 He didn't bullshit. 0.97

01:16:01.000 He didn't go out clubbing. 1.00

01:16:02.000 He didn't do all the party shit. 0.99

01:16:05.000 I'm sure he did at a time, right? 0.99

01:16:07.000 But when he was with Jamie, he started having kids.

01:16:10.000 I didn't see him, and I didn't know him terribly well.

01:16:13.000 I knew him in the gym really well.

01:16:16.000 I didn't know him personally outside of the gym.

01:16:18.000 You know, that's where I always saw him.

01:16:19.000 But, yeah, I had a lot of good examples, right?

01:16:23.000 And then, man, as soon as I went to high school, I met Will Harmon, who that guy housed me for four years.

01:16:28.000 Because after I left that place, I had, bro...

01:16:32.000 I don't care if this is ratchet, right? 0.98

01:16:34.000 You want to talk about trash. 0.95

01:16:36.000 I had a friend, and I had a girlfriend, right? 0.99

01:16:39.000 Worst girl I ever met in my life. 0.53

01:16:42.000 Leave it at that. 0.98

01:16:43.000 Okay.

01:16:44.000 I've never known somebody... 0.96

01:16:45.000 So I moved out of this place that was basically a shithole. 0.88

01:16:50.000 I started working at Verizon. 0.54

01:16:51.000 It was my first job. 0.97

01:16:52.000 And I said, hey, either I'm going in the military because I don't know what the fuck I'm going to be with my life, or I'm going to fight. 0.93

01:16:58.000 If I get this job, I'm going to fight. 0.96

01:17:00.000 I interviewed somehow.

01:17:01.000 I must have been a good talker. 0.99

01:17:03.000 Fucking got an interview job. 0.99

01:17:04.000 No job experience. 1.00

01:17:05.000 Fucking idiot. 1.00

01:17:06.000 Somehow I landed it. 1.00

01:17:07.000 Got a job.

01:17:08.000 Started working.

01:17:09.000 Why not moving out?

01:17:09.000 Moved into a condo across the street from my high school wrestling coach.

01:17:12.000 Who, if you've seen the documentary...

01:17:16.000 Is super impactful on my life.

01:17:17.000 So I move across.

01:17:19.000 Then I move from there after a year.

01:17:20.000 I move to another place.

01:17:21.000 Was only there for a short period of time.

01:17:24.000 The whole relationships wind up falling apart. 0.98

01:17:26.000 I was trying to fight while knowing somebody that I thought was a best friend had fucked around with my girl while he was engaged to his girl. 0.99

01:17:32.000 And that was my fucking living situation. 1.00

01:17:35.000 And I was so, you know, eager to have a best friend that the motherfucker was never a best friend, right? 0.99

01:17:42.000 And it was like... 0.99

01:17:45.000 Man, the heartbreak that I got every fucking turn, and this was two weeks before I had one of the biggest fights that really put me on a trajectory like, man, I'm gonna kill everybody I'm fighting. 0.98

01:18:00.000 So that happened two weeks before. 0.99

01:18:02.000 Then that was when I broke it off with my dad.

01:18:04.000 He came over and he got in my face one time.

01:18:06.000 And it was the only time I ever...

01:18:08.000 I never put my hands on him.

01:18:09.000 I never fought back.

01:18:10.000 I never even put my hands on him to this day.

01:18:13.000 But it was one of those times where you know how when you... 0.50

01:18:16.000 I don't know if you've ever had this moment where somebody gets in your face and you're a kid and you have the chain quiver and you're like fucking nervous and it's like...

01:18:21.000 It's almost like you're trapped in fear. 0.99

01:18:24.000 Man, he said some shit about putting a bullet in my head. 1.00

01:18:28.000 He said he was gonna come back and put a bullet in my head. 1.00

01:18:30.000 I was like, yo, motherfucker, before you get to that car, I was like, I'm gonna bury you. 1.00

01:18:34.000 Like, that's it. 1.00

01:18:35.000 Like, I'll take out every fucking part of my angry being to destroy you. 1.00

01:18:40.000 You will not make it to your car. 1.00

01:18:42.000 Like, that's it.

01:18:42.000 You're done.

01:18:43.000 Like, you die. 1.00

01:18:44.000 And I think it was the first time that motherfucker knew. 1.00

01:18:48.000 He always knew I was better. 0.99

01:18:49.000 At 16 years old, I could submit him.

01:18:51.000 He was a brown belt in jiu-jitsu, but I could beat him.

01:18:53.000 And I think that started to intimidate him.

01:18:55.000 And I think that's why the beatings got worse and worse and worse.

01:18:59.000 I think he was scared that I was going to rise up against him. 0.78

01:19:05.000 But yeah I mean that was the last time and yeah I mean shit man so I've just had like betrayal, betrayal, betrayal, betrayal but I haven't lost faith in people you know I met a couple really good ones that changed my life and you never let them go. 0.95

01:19:18.000 The horrible thing about having horrible people in your life is it can ruin your faith in people but the one thing that it does do it makes you really appreciate good people. 0.69

01:19:29.000 Yeah.

01:19:29.000 If you can get past it, you don't appreciate sunshine unless you experience a lot of rain.

01:19:37.000 You have to feel cold to appreciate the warmth.

01:19:41.000 You get spoiled otherwise.

01:19:42.000 So that's exactly what I had to explain to somebody.

01:19:45.000 The other day, they're like, why do you live where you live?

01:19:47.000 Why do you train where you train?

01:19:49.000 I'm like, man, you know what it's like to go to the hood where our gym is?

01:19:51.000 Our gym's in the hood.

01:19:52.000 It's on a fourth floor building. 0.99

01:19:54.000 It's like a warehouse type shit. 0.97

01:19:55.000 It's actually a pretty cool building. 0.99

01:19:57.000 Yeah, Sean was explaining it to me.

01:19:58.000 Yeah, and we're nothing fancy, man.

01:20:01.000 John Marquez is my head boxing coach.

01:20:07.000 And then Jonathan Webb is my jiu-jitsu coach.

01:20:12.000 Jonathan Webbs is in Jersey, and John Marquez is in Philadelphia in the hood.

01:20:17.000 Man, we're not a fancy facility. 0.99

01:20:20.000 We have a fucking square cage. 0.99

01:20:22.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:20:23.000 We don't have tons of money, and we're in a shitty area, but John does it to help.

01:20:31.000 He does it to promote. 0.98

01:20:32.000 All these other gyms, all these other puppy mill fucking gyms that want to brag about this and that, and they got nice state-of-the-art shit. 0.99

01:20:37.000 We got some hand-me-down fucking weights, and we're a grind, man, but we work fucking hard. 0.99

01:20:44.000 And I like that. 0.99

01:20:45.000 I like being in the trenches so that when I come out, I appreciate it.

01:20:49.000 When I go home, I appreciate where I live.

01:20:51.000 You know, I don't live in the best place, but it's like, I live in a place that I feel safe in.

01:20:56.000 And for many a years, until my wrestling coach took me in for four years, I was not safe. 0.94

01:21:01.000 I wasn't, bro, I hadn't like fucking pissed myself until I was like 12 fucking years old. 0.97

01:21:06.000 Thinking there was something wrong with me. 0.98

01:21:07.000 I grew up thinking that I had a mental health issue. 1.00

01:21:09.000 I thought I was stupid. 0.99

01:21:12.000 I don't want to say a certain word, but I thought there was something wrong with me. 1.00

01:21:15.000 You were tortured mentally.

01:21:17.000 My dad convinced me that there was something mentally wrong with me.

01:21:20.000 Well, it was him.

01:21:21.000 It was your environment.

01:21:22.000 But how do you know any better?

01:21:24.000 Imagine thinking that for so many years. 0.99

01:21:26.000 And then when you're homeschooled, bro, I didn't have fucking friends. 0.99

01:21:30.000 I didn't know. 0.99

01:21:31.000 So we were all the weird kids. 0.99

01:21:33.000 And then when your response, when you try to express emotion, one of the things, because this shit haunts me to this day, because I wish I could have heard him. 0.99

01:21:43.000 My sister said she wanted to kill herself because she felt like her dad didn't love her. 0.99

01:21:46.000 And we go and we pick her up, right?

01:21:48.000 This is the kind of guy he is.

01:21:50.000 We go to pick her up.

01:21:51.000 The whole family goes to pick her up.

01:21:53.000 My mom, my four sisters, me.

01:21:55.000 We go pick her up, pick her up from school.

01:21:57.000 My dad seems really concerned.

01:21:59.000 Like, yeah, yeah.

01:22:00.000 I don't know why she would say that, you know.

01:22:02.000 But you could tell.

01:22:03.000 It's like, you could tell he was burning inside.

01:22:06.000 So we lived like 10 minutes from school.

01:22:07.000 We get home.

01:22:09.000 We all get out of the car.

01:22:10.000 And we're all, like, quiet.

01:22:13.000 We're all quiet.

01:22:14.000 We're like, man, something's about to go down. 0.99

01:22:15.000 Like, as soon as she opens the door, like, grabs her by her hair, grabs her by her pants, fucking throws her, chucks her in the fucking room, starts strangling her in, like, threw her on the fucking couch, and then starts strangling her in between the cushions. 0.99

01:22:29.000 And then we all have to fight them to get them off. 1.00

01:22:32.000 That's your response to your daughter who's suicidal.

01:22:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:22:37.000 So when I say, and we were all mean to each other, that made it even worse.

01:22:40.000 We were all mean.

01:22:41.000 We were all caring in that moment because we knew, like, this isn't right. 0.98

01:22:44.000 Seeing him hit my mom, cops being in our house 12 times a year and shit like that. 0.95

01:22:48.000 Like, I grew up dysfunctional. 1.00

01:22:51.000 This shit fucked me up. 1.00

01:22:52.000 And it fucked me up when I was toxic. 1.00

01:22:54.000 I was, you know, negative. 0.98

01:22:56.000 And I'm still, like, toxic and negative, right?

01:22:57.000 But, like...

01:22:59.000 You learn who people are. 1.00

01:23:00.000 When you see that kind of shit, I can have conversations. 1.00

01:23:03.000 Like, a conversation I want to have. 1.00

01:23:04.000 Like, you can talk about anything.

01:23:05.000 You're open-minded.

01:23:07.000 But you're also, you got your beliefs, right?

01:23:09.000 Like, you're a real person.

01:23:10.000 I don't like everybody because you know when somebody's got this fake face.

01:23:16.000 And my dad was one of those people. 1.00

01:23:17.000 He had that fucking fake face, man. 1.00

01:23:19.000 But the second he could get you in that door to hurt you, he would take it. 1.00

01:23:23.000 And it's like...

01:23:25.000 When you grow up with that, it just makes you angry.

01:23:28.000 And that's why it's like, you're going to take half my purse? 1.00

01:23:31.000 This motherfucker's my toughest test? 0.99

01:23:33.000 You're going to take it from me? 1.00

01:23:34.000 Come on.

01:23:34.000 Try it.

01:23:35.000 And if you beat me, you're one of the best in the world, in my mind.

01:23:38.000 And I've never...

01:23:39.000 I can honestly say this. 0.98

01:23:41.000 Through all that shit, I have such a strong confidence in myself where it's like, man, ain't no man beating me until it's been done. 0.99

01:23:48.000 It's not happening. 0.99

01:23:49.000 I have a loss on my career as an amateur because I was 174 pounds fighting at 185, training twice a week with a full-time job with that girl that just fucked me up. 1.00

01:24:01.000 My first pro loss, struggling with suicide, depression, things like that.

01:24:06.000 Still hadn't settled that beef with myself.

01:24:09.000 First time I ever went in a fight was absolutely dominating the fight.

01:24:13.000 This guy's name is Jonathan Potty.

01:24:15.000 Love the guy.

01:24:15.000 Super nice guy.

01:24:16.000 I still talk to him.

01:24:17.000 Would never want to fight him again.

01:24:19.000 But it was a good loss for me.

01:24:21.000 And then you got my arm break.

01:24:24.000 I got one real loss, man.

01:24:25.000 I lost to myself. 1.00

01:24:27.000 I lost to my fucking mental health. 1.00

01:24:30.000 I lost before I got in. 1.00

01:24:33.000 You're in a very good spot now, though.

01:24:37.000 And I want to talk to you about where you fit in in the UFC's middleweight division because you're what I would call on the cusp.

01:24:43.000 Like, you're a guy, the Jack or Manson fight is gonna put you into a great place if you win that, but you're in that conversation...

01:24:50.000 If I win that, two more fights and a title.

01:24:52.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:24:53.000 Like, within the next year or two, you could be fighting for a title.

01:24:56.000 Yeah.

01:24:56.000 But I'm gonna be smart, man.

01:24:58.000 You know, uh...

01:24:59.000 Mental health is something I fight every day, and the reason I keep bringing it up is because I'm going to fight, and I'm going to win, and then I'm going to take some time.

01:25:07.000 And then I'm going to go on vacation, and I'm going to settle some things I got within myself.

01:25:13.000 You feel like that's something that you have to do, like something you're putting off?

01:25:17.000 Yeah.

01:25:18.000 Now when you say, do you work with anybody?

01:25:20.000 Do you have a therapist?

01:25:22.000 So I just have a lot of people that I talk to close.

01:25:24.000 I've tried therapy like three, four times, and I've never really gotten a benefit from it.

01:25:30.000 I don't know if it's just because I haven't met the right one.

01:25:33.000 Or they haven't been able to get through to me.

01:25:35.000 Like, I'm not an open person where I... Like, I'm an open person.

01:25:38.000 Like, I can talk about these things, right?

01:25:39.000 And I may get upset about some of them and I still evoke strong emotion from it.

01:25:44.000 But...

01:25:44.000 Just because you're listening doesn't mean that I trust you with what I'm telling you.

01:25:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:51.000 For you to give feedback and then me to receive it in a way where I think, okay, let me apply this.

01:25:55.000 So I just... 0.98

01:25:56.000 Sometimes I feel like therapy is just another fucked up human being telling another person, hey, you shouldn't feel like this. 0.99

01:26:01.000 But... 0.99

01:26:02.000 Or you should try this and try that.

01:26:04.000 But that's why I love cars so much.

01:26:06.000 That's why I love cars.

01:26:07.000 I love nature.

01:26:07.000 And I also want to take time because I haven't taken a vacation since I've been in UFC a couple years before that.

01:26:13.000 I haven't taken a vacation since before I broke my arm.

01:26:18.000 I think part of, you know, one of my biggest things isn't holding the UFC title, but one of my biggest things is buying a beach house and that supercar I've always wanted, that Dodge Viper, and, you know, having a loved one and going and traveling the world before I'm dead.

01:26:32.000 I think that's what my idea of peace and happiness is, and I'm desperately searching for it.

01:26:39.000 Like I said, you get a lot of power off the horrible experiences of your childhood, but the key is to not be trapped by it forever.

01:26:46.000 And that's where some people have to figure out a way to come Come to grips with your life and just accept it and to move forward in a positive way.

01:27:00.000 You're obviously a very good guy.

01:27:02.000 You're obviously an incredibly hard worker, and you're obviously very successful, and you're obviously haunted by your childhood.

01:27:07.000 But someone could probably help you develop the tools to put that aside.

01:27:15.000 It's never going to go away. 0.73

01:27:16.000 It's always going to be inside of you, that monster.

01:27:19.000 He's always going to be in a cage.

01:27:21.000 But I'm okay with that.

01:27:22.000 I don't want to forget it.

01:27:23.000 You're not going to forget it, Joe.

01:27:24.000 You're never going to forget it, Joe.

01:27:26.000 Joe, you're never going to forget it.

01:27:27.000 But the key is to not let it consume you all the time.

01:27:30.000 And that is where someone can probably help you.

01:27:32.000 You're never going to forget it.

01:27:34.000 There's a monster that's going to be inside of you whenever you need him.

01:27:37.000 That's not going to go away.

01:27:39.000 It's just not going to go away.

01:27:41.000 To not live with it all the time would be very beneficial for you.

01:27:46.000 Because then you would get all of the positive attributes that come from having a horrible childhood, which is this unstoppable drive, this fury that you can unleash inside the octagon that's very different than other people's.

01:27:58.000 But you can get to the point where it doesn't consume your everyday life.

01:28:04.000 And it's not something you have to think about all the time.

01:28:06.000 And you can think about positive things.

01:28:08.000 You can think about growth and expansion and progress.

01:28:11.000 And I think you're very capable of doing that.

01:28:14.000 It's just so many people, they rightly so, dwell on the horrible experiences of their childhood forever.

01:28:23.000 And there comes a time where that doesn't serve you anymore, and it rots at you.

01:28:30.000 Where even with success, you're still angry.

01:28:32.000 Even with success, you're still bitter.

01:28:33.000 Even with success, you still want to talk about it, you want to live it again, and you want to go over it in your head.

01:28:39.000 And that can rot you out from the inside.

01:28:42.000 Because at a certain point in time, your mind can't handle it anymore.

01:28:47.000 Yeah, I would say I grew emotionally thin when I lost my first pro fight.

01:28:52.000 That's where I was.

01:28:53.000 Right.

01:28:53.000 I can talk about it now and I can evoke the strong emotions, what I remember with it, but I forgive them.

01:29:00.000 I view my dad now as somebody, like I said, I don't respect as a man because I don't think he's the definition of what a man's supposed to be for someone that teaches their kids useful tools and whatnot, but I... I've forgiven him because I think it's beyond his help because he never got help.

01:29:18.000 Because he never settled with his.

01:29:20.000 Now that is a man that has aged terribly because of his past and his demons that he's never let go.

01:29:26.000 And I don't want to be like that.

01:29:27.000 Well, you're not going to be like that.

01:29:28.000 I'm already not like that.

01:29:30.000 I'm Joseph Oliver Pifer V. And I'm going to be the last because I think I need to make a lasting impression for my name.

01:29:39.000 And I'm the first person that's ever, you know, like none of them have been college educated, including me.

01:29:44.000 At a certain point, you know, I've become successful enough.

01:29:47.000 I want to go to college and get some type of degree.

01:29:51.000 Do you read?

01:29:53.000 I'm not a big reader, but I watch...

01:29:55.000 Do you watch documentaries?

01:29:55.000 I watch podcasts, the Joe Rogan podcast.

01:30:00.000 Don't rely on this for education.

01:30:01.000 Yeah, no.

01:30:02.000 No, no, no, right?

01:30:03.000 But it brings a lot of...

01:30:05.000 Your podcast brings a lot of diversity, a lot of...

01:30:09.000 You have to be open-minded to listen to every episode, right?

01:30:11.000 There's a lot of different perspectives from a lot of different successful people, right?

01:30:17.000 But no, I'm really big on listening to people that have been through traumatic things.

01:30:21.000 I like listening to a lot of army vets that have spoken.

01:30:25.000 Nicholas Irving, the first black American sniper who had 33 confirmed kills or something like that.

01:30:31.000 I watched his documentary and to hear the trauma that he's gone through and the things that he's done and how he...

01:30:37.000 It's still making a good impact for other people.

01:30:40.000 That's a powerful dude.

01:30:44.000 My life is very common across the world.

01:30:49.000 Unfortunately.

01:30:50.000 Unfortunately.

01:30:52.000 It's very common, so I think I find light, and you always hear me say, I don't know if you've recognized, but after every fight, I don't want to be a role model, but I want to be an inspiration for the kids that it's like, hey, stay in a sport.

01:31:03.000 Don't let that sport go.

01:31:05.000 And whatever that unspoken is that...

01:31:07.000 If it stops you from quitting, follow it.

01:31:10.000 And if it's in wrestling or if it's in soccer or if it's in basketball, keep doing it.

01:31:15.000 I used to get laughed at my whole life.

01:31:17.000 I would sit at the cafeteria.

01:31:18.000 I stopped sitting with kids.

01:31:19.000 I would play chess every day with my wrestling coach during lunch because kids would laugh at me every time I said, I'm going to be in the UFC. Everybody would snuff, you know, like giggle at it.

01:31:30.000 So I just removed myself, put myself in a better situation.

01:31:34.000 I didn't like this friendship.

01:31:36.000 I got out of it.

01:31:37.000 I moved to a place where I could pursue fighting.

01:31:39.000 I found people that...

01:31:41.000 We're chasing things themselves, right?

01:31:43.000 So I think it's just about putting yourself around the right people and constantly wanting to evolve.

01:31:50.000 If you stop evolving, you pass away.

01:31:52.000 That's a giant part of it, putting yourself around the right people.

01:31:55.000 Either it's through watching documentaries about the right people, if you don't have access to the right people, or if you're very fortunate, like yourself, to get to a gym with these great people and to live like...

01:32:06.000 My gym is my family.

01:32:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:08.000 My gym is my family. 0.98

01:32:10.000 I know I know Sean and shit, and I always talk about him. 0.98

01:32:13.000 I always talk about him. 0.97

01:32:13.000 Because when I joined that team, man, I was not in UFC. I don't think a lot of people had a lot of faith in me, but Coach John took me in and never charged me a penny. 0.97

01:32:24.000 And I couldn't have afforded it if he did.

01:32:28.000 I made the switch before I even got the second surgery.

01:32:31.000 He cornered me and I feel it.

01:32:34.000 I can look at them and know that they get emotional too.

01:32:38.000 We're fighting for something big here.

01:32:41.000 Fighting to change my life still.

01:32:43.000 So there's a big fight coming up this weekend, obviously.

01:32:46.000 Sean Strickland and Drekus Duplicy.

01:32:48.000 What do you think about that?

01:32:51.000 That's your division.

01:32:52.000 Yeah.

01:32:53.000 Both very beatable.

01:32:55.000 That's what I think.

01:32:56.000 I like Sean Strickland.

01:32:58.000 I like Sean Strickland.

01:32:59.000 I like DDP too.

01:33:02.000 I'm going to go the American way. 0.99

01:33:04.000 I want to vote.

01:33:05.000 I hope the American boy keeps it here in America. 1.00

01:33:10.000 Drakus is a very unusual guy.

01:33:12.000 He's a very unorthodox power puncher like Ford, but there's a lot of openings to clip him, and he doesn't have a granite chin in my opinion.

01:33:19.000 He could take a shot, but I don't think he's fought anybody that could test his chin yet.

01:33:26.000 Besides, that's not true. 0.94

01:33:28.000 Let me shut up before I get hated on, right? 0.97

01:33:30.000 Robert Whitaker was a dog, but... 0.96

01:33:32.000 He had Robert's number, man.

01:33:34.000 He had a good plan.

01:33:35.000 He's deceptively technical.

01:33:37.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:33:38.000 So he knows where...

01:33:40.000 I think he's a guy...

01:33:41.000 Let's put it this way.

01:33:41.000 I think he's a guy that knows what he's good at and knows how to get there quick.

01:33:45.000 And that's why he comes out hot, because he knows how he's going to wear on you.

01:33:48.000 Also, like yourself, he's very big for the weight class.

01:33:50.000 I haven't seen him in person.

01:33:51.000 He's a big boy.

01:33:52.000 Yeah, I haven't seen him in person. 1.00

01:33:53.000 He looks like a fucking heavyweight. 0.99

01:33:54.000 But you know what? 0.99

01:33:55.000 I watched this interview on the way here, on the flight, and... 0.94

01:33:59.000 He's not stupid.

01:34:00.000 He's a smart guy.

01:34:01.000 And I have respect for all of you. 1.00

01:34:04.000 I don't think you get that far if you're stupid. 1.00

01:34:06.000 Yeah, no. 1.00

01:34:07.000 You'd be surprised, man. 1.00

01:34:08.000 I mean, you know there's some dumbass people in this sport. 0.99

01:34:11.000 Not at the top. 0.99

01:34:12.000 Yeah, not at the top.

01:34:13.000 Not at the cream of the crop.

01:34:14.000 You don't get to that level.

01:34:15.000 You have to have some innate form of intelligence.

01:34:19.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:34:19.000 Because you also have to be coachable.

01:34:21.000 Yes.

01:34:22.000 I have a lot of respect for Sean because Sean when I fought Gerald was in the back and even before I was in the UFC he said hey you want to come train?

01:34:29.000 I said no because I knew it was like man like I don't like training with people that I'm gonna have to fight.

01:34:34.000 Right.

01:34:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:34:35.000 But I got respect for him.

01:34:36.000 I like his story.

01:34:37.000 He's got a crazy style.

01:34:39.000 I don't like listening to him talk He sounds like a drunk person to me, so I'm not like a...

01:34:44.000 Well, he also, like you, came from a very abusive childhood.

01:34:48.000 Yeah.

01:34:48.000 No, no, no.

01:34:49.000 Man, look at what he's done.

01:34:51.000 That's amazing.

01:34:51.000 Look at what he's done.

01:34:52.000 And he's not a style that you're like, oh my god.

01:34:56.000 But you're a style like, man, this is unorthodox and it works for him.

01:34:58.000 He knows what he's good at.

01:35:00.000 He's confident in what he's good at.

01:35:01.000 And he's put himself in the fire against some of the best to figure out that it works.

01:35:06.000 So...

01:35:08.000 Yeah, I mean, I do think that DDP has the bigger advantage in this fight.

01:35:12.000 In what way?

01:35:14.000 In the way that Sean has been chin-checked a few times.

01:35:18.000 And I think, competitively, I think that Sean is the easier guy to beat.

01:35:25.000 He's a hard guy to hit.

01:35:26.000 He's a hard guy to hit, but when you hit him, he reacts big, I think.

01:35:30.000 And I think a style like DDP is perfect for it.

01:35:33.000 I think he's going to make him...

01:35:34.000 Like, it's unorthodox, like Sean.

01:35:37.000 You know, he could be standing right there, but he's really good at his range.

01:35:40.000 He knows how to...

01:35:40.000 You'll just miss.

01:35:41.000 You hit his hands.

01:35:42.000 You hit his forearms.

01:35:44.000 He lifts his leg.

01:35:45.000 He keeps you, like, standing straight up.

01:35:47.000 It's really strange.

01:35:48.000 And he's actually a hard guy to keep down.

01:35:50.000 I think people underestimate Sean Strickland's jiu-jitsu abilities, right?

01:35:53.000 No, jiu-jitsu's very high level.

01:35:55.000 But, yeah.

01:35:55.000 I mean, they're both good, man.

01:35:56.000 That's what I think.

01:35:56.000 I think they're both good, but...

01:35:59.000 I mean, I hope the belt stays here in America. 1.00

01:36:03.000 Were you shocked when DDP beat down Robert Whittaker like that?

01:36:06.000 I was surprised that he did it the way he did it.

01:36:10.000 I didn't count him out, but I didn't have him winning.

01:36:15.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:16.000 I definitely thought that it was going to be close.

01:36:18.000 It was going to be tough.

01:36:19.000 I really did.

01:36:20.000 A lot of people counted him out.

01:36:21.000 I was like, that's crazy, bro.

01:36:22.000 This guy's not...

01:36:23.000 I think he was 20-2 or something like that.

01:36:25.000 I was like, man, this dude can bring it.

01:36:27.000 He's going to make it a dogfight.

01:36:29.000 I don't care how technical you are.

01:36:31.000 When somebody makes it ugly, your energy level's down and you're not that technical anymore.

01:36:37.000 I thought it was pretty impressive.

01:36:39.000 I was very impressed.

01:36:40.000 I was surprised that you could take him down.

01:36:42.000 Yeah.

01:36:42.000 He's a big guy, man.

01:36:44.000 I gotta see him, man.

01:36:45.000 I keep hearing that.

01:36:46.000 I want to see him.

01:36:47.000 He's big.

01:36:47.000 I mean, I don't know what he wants.

01:36:48.000 You said that when you start your cut, what do you walk around at?

01:36:52.000 218. 218?

01:36:53.000 Yeah.

01:36:54.000 Oh, wait.

01:36:54.000 Start my cut fight week?

01:36:55.000 Yeah.

01:36:55.000 I'll be like 208. Okay.

01:36:57.000 But when you're in training, before you start any cut, you're about 218?

01:37:01.000 Yeah, 218, 220. And the heaviest you get is?

01:37:03.000 Fat.

01:37:04.000 That's it?

01:37:04.000 Yeah.

01:37:05.000 It's like my cap.

01:37:06.000 I won't go any bigger.

01:37:07.000 I'll have to go off a weight class. 0.98

01:37:09.000 And I might in a couple years, you know, but I think I would take the proper time to not be disrespectful and fight a fucking guy as big as Johnny Walker or somebody like that. 0.98

01:37:17.000 Right. 0.97

01:37:18.000 You know, or Anka Live.

01:37:19.000 They're thick bone, thick guys.

01:37:21.000 I think a lot of people underestimate, like, there's bone density that comes with a certain size, too.

01:37:26.000 Yes.

01:37:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:37:27.000 I would have to build myself a little more muscular than these guys.

01:37:31.000 I have the frame to do it.

01:37:34.000 And take like a good six months to a year to build myself to then make that move up.

01:37:38.000 Do you find it increasingly difficult to get to 185?

01:37:42.000 I do.

01:37:43.000 I do. 1.00

01:37:43.000 Yeah, it sucks. 1.00

01:37:45.000 It's rough. 0.99

01:37:46.000 It's definitely not easy.

01:37:47.000 So you're 208 the week of the cut?

01:37:49.000 208. But I'm already like...

01:37:52.000 Shredded. 0.96

01:37:52.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:37:53.000 I'll show you what I look like.

01:37:55.000 And are you using, who are you using to do this?

01:37:59.000 Are you using a nutritionist and a weight cutting expert?

01:38:02.000 No.

01:38:02.000 No?

01:38:03.000 You're not?

01:38:03.000 Yeah, I use the guy Castro with UFCPI who's been great, and Charles a little bit.

01:38:08.000 Okay, but UFCPI, those guys are experts. 0.87

01:38:11.000 But I don't like, like I keep them updated with my weight cut as I'm coming down, but I don't do like, I don't know how people fucking water load, man. 0.88

01:38:18.000 I don't like it. 0.85

01:38:19.000 I don't like the water loads.

01:38:21.000 I do my cut, like I know my body pretty well, and I get down, but it's just, I don't know.

01:38:27.000 Is your cut primarily sauna, or do you bike ride with a wetsuit on?

01:38:31.000 I train twice a day still.

01:38:33.000 Yeah, I sweet sweat, do a couple rounds, pad work, get the sweat flowing, do it a couple ground and pound, you know, wrestling drills, and then do a couple ground and pound rounds, and then I'll hop in the sauna.

01:38:45.000 Just take in very little water.

01:38:46.000 Take in very little water. 0.99

01:38:48.000 You know, the proper nutrition to kill the sugar cravings and the hunger and shit like that. 0.97

01:38:53.000 But yeah, I've been getting better and better and better and better at it.

01:38:57.000 But it's still hard.

01:38:58.000 It's still very hard.

01:38:59.000 And do you have a protocol as far as rehydration?

01:39:02.000 Yeah, so I've been drinking whatever the UFC gives me.

01:39:05.000 Like, their rehydration.

01:39:07.000 And then I'm really big on, like, sodium and potassium intakes and whatnot, obviously.

01:39:12.000 But...

01:39:13.000 Yeah, I mean, I have a couple drinks that I drink, but it's just like a BPN electrolyte.

01:39:18.000 Try to get that back in there.

01:39:19.000 Try to get as much salt as possible so I can hold what I'm putting in my body.

01:39:23.000 And what do you try to weigh day of the fight?

01:39:25.000 Whatever my body's happy at.

01:39:27.000 I don't want to overeat, and I don't want to overdrink where I feel so bloated or I feel so heavy, but I probably walk in around 210, 208. So I blow up.

01:39:37.000 Yeah, that's a lot.

01:39:38.000 So when I fought Gerald, I... When I fought Gerald, I was heavy.

01:39:46.000 I think I was like 209 when I walked into the cage.

01:39:50.000 But by the time I faced off with him by 4 p.m., I was like 203, 204. So I was like, I put it on quick.

01:39:57.000 And I don't lose it.

01:39:58.000 Like, I'll wake up the next morning and it goes right back to where it needs to.

01:40:01.000 So I have a good system.

01:40:03.000 And I think it's only going to get better.

01:40:06.000 But, man, you know, I'm not going to put it out there, but I have never had a smooth camp.

01:40:11.000 I've never had a smooth camp, and this is going to be no different, but this is where I've been built.

01:40:15.000 I've been built in the fire, and, you know, Jack's a good dude.

01:40:19.000 It's going to be a tough fight.

01:40:20.000 I don't know of anybody who has a good camp.

01:40:22.000 They say they have good camps, but you talk to them, there's like a rib and a neck and a knee and an ankle. 0.99

01:40:27.000 Everybody across the states lately, though, has been sick as fuck. 0.99

01:40:33.000 Yeah, it's a lot of colds going on. 0.99

01:40:35.000 I've been going as far as to say, somebody's fucking poisoning us, because there's no way that everybody I fucking know got sick at the same time, and everybody's sick for two, three weeks with it. 0.88

01:40:45.000 Well, there's a COVID strain that's going around right now, and then there's the flu. 0.98

01:40:49.000 I mean, it's the winter.

01:40:50.000 And you know what a lot of that is, is vitamin D deficiency, especially when you're dealing with cold climates.

01:40:55.000 I take vitamin D. Vitamin D and vitamin K as well. 0.97

01:40:59.000 I take vitamin K, vitamin D, and I take it with magnesium because what I was told is if you don't take magnesium, it doesn't mean shit. 0.95

01:41:05.000 It doesn't mean as much. 0.91

01:41:08.000 Magnesium is important.

01:41:09.000 Do you take a suite of nutrients?

01:41:13.000 Do you know what to do as far as how much to take of this and that?

01:41:16.000 I just have my morning routine of everything I've taken and I got it from the UFC PI. They gave me a sheet and then I've been doing it for Long enough now that I know what I need.

01:41:27.000 EOCPI is such a great resource.

01:41:29.000 It's a great resource.

01:41:30.000 When they first built that, I was like, what are they doing? 0.92

01:41:32.000 Bro, I was fucking blown away. 0.91

01:41:33.000 When I was out there for Brendan Allen, cornering him, I'd never been in a cafeteria. 0.97

01:41:37.000 I always heard people talk about it. 0.98

01:41:38.000 I'm like, where the fuck is it? 0.98

01:41:39.000 I never knew how to get to it. 0.99

01:41:41.000 Oh, that's funny.

01:41:42.000 Oh, man, I was so upset.

01:41:43.000 I was so mad at myself. 0.99

01:41:44.000 I've been in this shit for a year and a half now, a year, and I didn't know there was a fucking cafeteria everybody was going to but me. 0.99

01:41:49.000 Super healthy food, amazing state-of-the-art facility, the best stuff for recovery, the best stuff for training, amazing coaches. 0.99

01:41:57.000 You know what I will say though?

01:41:58.000 So I think it's a great place.

01:41:59.000 I'm not comfortable training in a place like that.

01:42:02.000 Really?

01:42:02.000 You like it dirty?

01:42:03.000 Bro, I'm a ratchet motherfucker. 1.00

01:42:07.000 Bro, I'm wearing fucking sweatpants under this. 1.00

01:42:09.000 Rocky when he fought Drago. 1.00

01:42:11.000 Fucking Siberia, running with the log on his back. 0.99

01:42:13.000 It's not me, Joe. 1.00

01:42:14.000 I got an aura ring to track my sleep, right? 0.99

01:42:16.000 And someone that made that important to me was Sean, because my fucking sleep sucked. 0.99

01:42:20.000 But now I'm so conscious about it. 0.98

01:42:23.000 Sean's taught me so much, man.

01:42:25.000 Sean has taught me so much.

01:42:26.000 That's a guy that needs to slow down, in my opinion.

01:42:28.000 I've never seen somebody train that much. 1.00

01:42:31.000 I picture him as a fucking disgruntled, old, mean motherfucker, just like... 1.00

01:42:36.000 I didn't fucking have it. 1.00

01:42:37.000 He just didn't do anything fun. 0.98

01:42:39.000 But that's not true. 0.99

01:42:41.000 He does fun shit, but he loves working out. 0.97

01:42:43.000 Me, it's my job, and I love working out, but that's not all I want to do. 0.99

01:42:48.000 I want to go fuck off sometimes, race, and ride bikes, and take a vacation. 0.97

01:42:52.000 He wants to do jiu-jitsu competitions when it's all done. 1.00

01:42:55.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:42:55.000 He needs to get on the sauce when he's done and get fucked. 1.00

01:42:58.000 Go fuck people up, man. 1.00

01:43:00.000 Well, I mean, you think about him beating Craig Jones in a grappling match. 0.99

01:43:03.000 And again, they didn't have heel hooks, but that's just because the UFC won't allow that. 1.00

01:43:07.000 But beating Craig Jones is a gigantic accomplishment.

01:43:12.000 Yeah.

01:43:12.000 I mean, that guy is elite in terms of people who just trained grappling.

01:43:17.000 And for him, a guy who was training MMA, fighting in the top echelon of the UFC, fighting against some of the best of the best, for him to go and beat Craig Jones in a straight-up grappling match, that's incredible.

01:43:31.000 And look, right?

01:43:32.000 Exactly, it is incredible.

01:43:34.000 And that's the Phil Rowe, you owe me money.

01:43:36.000 He bailed out of a bet he was supposed to, you know, and this was years, whatever, before I was in the UFC. You know, I met Phil Rowe playing with Randy Brown on Call of Duty.

01:43:45.000 Oh, really?

01:43:46.000 Yeah, playing Call of Duty.

01:43:47.000 That's crazy.

01:43:47.000 Randy Brown's how I met him.

01:43:48.000 I trained with Randy Brown, too.

01:43:50.000 But yeah, no, I was so confident in Sean being in that match because, like I said, I've gone with Corey Anderson.

01:43:57.000 I've gone with some heavy, big dudes, and I do well.

01:43:59.000 I hold my own, and I do more than that.

01:44:03.000 Man, I've never hit... 1.00

01:44:06.000 Bro, I'm lucky if I take this motherfucker down once a month. 1.00

01:44:09.000 I can't do it. 0.99

01:44:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:12.000 I'm a heavy dude.

01:44:13.000 He's an elite grappler.

01:44:14.000 And you really saw that in the Kelvin Gastelum fight.

01:44:16.000 Kelvin can wrestle, man.

01:44:18.000 And he was just all over Kelvin.

01:44:20.000 I mean, like, Kelvin's like a hit or miss, man.

01:44:23.000 It's so weird.

01:44:24.000 It's unfortunate.

01:44:25.000 I think Sean...

01:44:26.000 It's just...

01:44:26.000 Kelvin should have been a welterweight from the jump.

01:44:29.000 He should have been, but did you see the way he was falling?

01:44:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:44:32.000 It looked like he just couldn't, like...

01:44:34.000 It looked like the second Sean, like, picked him up or, like, threw something, he was always so off balance.

01:44:40.000 Well, he might be dealing with injuries. 0.98

01:44:41.000 He's also had a very long career in some fucking crazy wars. 0.96

01:44:44.000 He just had that war with Chris Curtis. 0.97

01:44:46.000 He's had wars with Adesanya.

01:44:48.000 He looked good at Chris Curtis.

01:44:49.000 I guess Chris Curtis, he looked great.

01:44:50.000 Yeah, and Chris Curtis is a beast.

01:44:52.000 Yeah, it was a good fight.

01:44:54.000 And it's just, you know, Calvin, I told Calvin a long time ago, dude, I go, if you're 170, I think you're a potential world champion.

01:45:03.000 But at 85, the difference between a guy like you and a guy like him, just the physical frame difference, like Adesanya or Pajeda or any of these really big 85ers, they're just so much bigger.

01:45:14.000 Drekus, the difference, like, Kelvin's my size.

01:45:18.000 You're not just fighting talent, you know, let's say the skill is matched, now you're fighting size.

01:45:23.000 He's good in everything. 0.99

01:45:24.000 Calvin is fast as fuck with his hands. 0.99

01:45:27.000 He's got beautiful fluid combinations with his fists like that one-two that he knocked Bisping out with. 1.00

01:45:32.000 The motherfucker is amazing. 0.99

01:45:34.000 And the fight with Adesanya was a war. 1.00

01:45:36.000 People forget he had Adesanya in all kinds of trouble. 0.75

01:45:39.000 Calvin's a beast.

01:45:41.000 His bodybuilder has always been so weird to me.

01:45:45.000 I mean, he's missed weight so many times and he's I don't know.

01:45:50.000 He just never looks like he fully committed.

01:45:52.000 I don't know if that's just his genetics, the way he's built, but it doesn't look like he's terribly sucked out at 70. No, it doesn't.

01:45:58.000 He looks like he went through a cut, but like...

01:46:02.000 It didn't look like he lost body fat is what you're saying.

01:46:04.000 Yeah.

01:46:05.000 The difference between him at 85 and him at 70 was a start.

01:46:07.000 I feel like he really fucks off maybe in his diet.

01:46:09.000 I don't know. 0.96

01:46:10.000 There has to be something going on there.

01:46:12.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:46:13.000 Yeah.

01:46:13.000 I mean, I don't think he's working with a strict nutritionist that's really got it all dialed in.

01:46:17.000 Hey, listen, like, I told people, too, in my post-fight, too, like, that was Sean's first time being overseas and whatnot, and look, he knows where he's best, right?

01:46:27.000 I'm not saying he's...

01:46:28.000 I don't think he's, like, the best striker in the world by any means, but I think he's the best grappler for MMA by a long shot.

01:46:36.000 It's not just me, bro. 0.99

01:46:38.000 This motherfucker can put any of us on our back and you're not getting up. 0.99

01:46:41.000 You can see when he's grappling. 1.00

01:46:43.000 It's very high level.

01:46:44.000 He knows what you're doing.

01:46:46.000 He knows where he wants you to go.

01:46:47.000 And you think, oh, I might get up, and then you're stuck.

01:46:50.000 And it's very frustrating.

01:46:52.000 I hate going with him.

01:46:53.000 Well, you can see it in the fights, man.

01:46:55.000 Someone who really appreciates grappling, I really love watching that guy fight.

01:46:59.000 Because it's very high level.

01:47:00.000 And his striking is very good, too.

01:47:02.000 You know, the Bilal fight... 0.64

01:47:04.000 Suck for him, but will ultimately be good for him in the long run, because it's just a painful, horrible lesson. 0.97

01:47:12.000 Man, I don't care if he gets mad. 0.99

01:47:15.000 This is what I'll say. 0.99

01:47:17.000 I think there was a certain coach that's no longer on our team that I never fucked with, that shouldn't have been in his corner, and doesn't know how to fucking... 0.98

01:47:24.000 Bro, the head coach, the guy that was supposed to... 0.98

01:47:31.000 I'm not going to say his name.

01:47:32.000 He was supposed to run, give him a structure, tell him what to do.

01:47:38.000 He just kind of didn't train him and didn't develop a game plan with him.

01:47:42.000 Coach John did everything.

01:47:44.000 Coach John's just the striking end of it.

01:47:46.000 Obviously, that's where he lost the fight, but the dude shot one time.

01:47:50.000 He shot one time and that was it.

01:47:51.000 I think Sean just... 0.99

01:47:53.000 He had a mental bug and I think Sean's more of like an introvert where he keeps things to himself and he's very like his private life is his private life and you know and I can respect that versus me I'm outspoken and I'll say what I'm feeling and I said it the week at bro I was fucking sad as shit when I fought Abdul. 0.98

01:48:07.000 I didn't turn it on until I started walking. 0.97

01:48:10.000 Actually, that's not true. 1.00

01:48:11.000 I didn't turn it on until I saw him fucking, like, doing all this, like, dancing shit. 0.99

01:48:15.000 Like, I was like, you think so, huh? 1.00

01:48:17.000 And then that's when it turned on, right?

01:48:18.000 But some people just can't turn it on, man.

01:48:21.000 And I think that was one of those times where he just wasn't, like, he was doing good.

01:48:25.000 Like, it was a back and forth in the first round, and then it just got off.

01:48:28.000 You also have to give credit to Bilal. 0.96

01:48:29.000 Bilal's a big, fucking tough dude, you know? 0.99

01:48:33.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:48:34.000 I'm not a Bilal fan.

01:48:35.000 I don't have to give him credit.

01:48:36.000 He's a tough guy, man.

01:48:38.000 He's a tough guy.

01:48:38.000 He beat my teammate.

01:48:39.000 I don't fuck with him. 1.00

01:48:40.000 Well, I get it. 1.00

01:48:41.000 I understand that.

01:48:42.000 No, but he is tough.

01:48:43.000 I hope he gets my feelings for him aside.

01:48:47.000 How could he not?

01:48:49.000 I don't understand.

01:48:49.000 How is it even a discussion that he doesn't get the Leon Edwards fight?

01:48:52.000 I mean, listen, if I was Bilal, I'd be upset, right? 0.99

01:48:54.000 Like, I got poked in the fucking eye. 0.99

01:48:55.000 I lost the fight. 1.00

01:48:57.000 Yeah.

01:48:57.000 Like, let's run it back.

01:48:59.000 Yeah.

01:48:59.000 I don't know.

01:49:02.000 Leon's saying he's not going to get it and shit like that. 0.71

01:49:05.000 It's just weird. 0.94

01:49:06.000 What is Leon saying?

01:49:07.000 About him not getting it. 0.97

01:49:08.000 He doesn't think he deserves it or some shit like that. 0.97

01:49:11.000 Really? 0.98

01:49:11.000 I think that was when he was about to fight Colby. 0.98

01:49:13.000 They were saying, oh, Bilal's going to be next, and he was saying he doesn't deserve it.

01:49:17.000 The only way I could see him saying that is if he thinks of pay-per-view points and that Bilal's not a big sale.

01:49:24.000 That he's not gonna sell a lot of tickets.

01:49:27.000 But who else?

01:49:28.000 Who else is next now?

01:49:28.000 There's no one else there.

01:49:29.000 Shavkot? 0.91

01:49:30.000 Well, Shavkot, but Shavkot needs surgery. 0.99

01:49:33.000 He went into that fight with Wonderboy, fucked up, and that's why he didn't throw any kicks. 0.99

01:49:37.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:49:37.000 And then you have, who else? 0.98

01:49:39.000 I think, look, everybody's angling to try to get Conor, right?

01:49:44.000 For welterweight?

01:49:45.000 Yeah.

01:49:45.000 Ugh.

01:49:46.000 Listen.

01:49:47.000 Bro, he's small.

01:49:48.000 I understand.

01:49:48.000 But wouldn't you take it just for the money?

01:49:51.000 I mean, that's what Leon would feel like.

01:49:52.000 If I was Leon, yeah.

01:49:53.000 Sure.

01:49:53.000 Leon would feel like he has a big advantage.

01:49:55.000 You know, he's a legitimate welterweight.

01:49:57.000 Bro, he would dust Connor.

01:49:58.000 And then he'd make a lot of money.

01:50:00.000 He would dust Connor.

01:50:00.000 If he could talk Connor into that.

01:50:02.000 But Connor and Chandler is interesting, too.

01:50:05.000 You know, I guess it's actually going to happen.

01:50:07.000 That's so cringy now, though.

01:50:08.000 And it's going to happen at your weight.

01:50:09.000 Bro.

01:50:10.000 Which is bananas?

01:50:11.000 Listen.

01:50:11.000 That's bananas.

01:50:12.000 Somebody said something to him about, hey, like, we got a no-name in me.

01:50:16.000 I would fight Connor.

01:50:17.000 You want to fight 85? 1.00

01:50:18.000 Shit, man. 1.00

01:50:19.000 Change my life. 1.00

01:50:20.000 I'm going to fuck you up. 1.00

01:50:23.000 I will fuck that dude up. 1.00

01:50:24.000 But he's fighting Chandler at 85, who's not an 85. You know what I'm not used to yet, Joe? 0.99

01:50:29.000 The casuals.

01:50:29.000 They go, are you in Connors' weight class?

01:50:33.000 Fucking, like, what? 1.00

01:50:34.000 You gotta tune out the casuals. 1.00

01:50:35.000 You have enough conflict in your past, in your mind.

01:50:38.000 So that's what I struggle with.

01:50:39.000 My past, I'm cool with.

01:50:41.000 I don't think about it every day.

01:50:43.000 Do you read comments?

01:50:45.000 Sometimes.

01:50:45.000 Because, so, I'm like, sometimes.

01:50:48.000 Don't do it, Joe.

01:50:49.000 Bro, it motivates me sometimes.

01:50:51.000 Does it really?

01:50:51.000 It does.

01:50:52.000 It does.

01:50:52.000 You really need motivation?

01:50:54.000 I always, I think, I, so, yeah, I do.

01:50:58.000 Because I don't always want to fight at it.

01:51:00.000 I'm not always, I'm not fighting out of anger in my past.

01:51:02.000 I have that anger because it's just, bro, it's, it's, I'm bred like that.

01:51:07.000 You're also fighting out of ambition.

01:51:09.000 I'm fighting out of ambition.

01:51:11.000 You know what my biggest drive is?

01:51:12.000 Like I said, that dream car, that dream house, that loved one, that travel life.

01:51:16.000 Bro, I want to live life.

01:51:18.000 I want to see the world.

01:51:19.000 A life that you didn't have when you were young.

01:51:20.000 I'm scared, bro.

01:51:22.000 I totally get it.

01:51:23.000 I'm scared to grow old and never see what this world has.

01:51:26.000 And I mean, like, sights-wise.

01:51:28.000 Like, I want to go to Ireland.

01:51:29.000 I want to go to Switzerland.

01:51:30.000 I want to go see places.

01:51:31.000 I hear you.

01:51:32.000 You'll see those things.

01:51:34.000 Yeah, man.

01:51:35.000 I really believe it.

01:51:35.000 But don't read the comments.

01:51:38.000 I did almost fight one of the fans.

01:51:40.000 I tried to get him to come to the gym. 0.98

01:51:44.000 I was like, man, this would be great fucking content, right? 0.97

01:51:46.000 But then I was like, man, that's corny. 0.98

01:51:48.000 And I actually think the guy would have followed through. 1.00

01:51:50.000 He was that fucking stupid. 1.00

01:51:52.000 There's a lot of dummies. 1.00

01:51:53.000 There's so many videos of guys showing up at gyms and online internet trolls getting head kicked. 0.98

01:51:59.000 There's so many of them. 0.99

01:52:00.000 I just watched some recent one where some guy went into a Muay Thai gym and the dude hit him with a leg kick and then fucking shinned him in the head. 0.98

01:52:08.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

01:52:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:52:10.000 I mean, he brutalized him with a lead kick and then the guy didn't move right and then stepped back, boom, a head kick and flatlined him. 1.00

01:52:17.000 Just some dumbass internet troll. 1.00

01:52:19.000 That's hard, right? 1.00

01:52:20.000 Like, on that subject, that's hard, right?

01:52:22.000 Like, I'll read the comments sometimes because I'm petty. 0.99

01:52:25.000 I went back after I beat Abdul, and I was like, yeah, talk that shit now. 1.00

01:52:29.000 Say something. 0.99

01:52:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:31.000 Just to those few.

01:52:31.000 I saved three particular comments.

01:52:33.000 You haven't saved.

01:52:34.000 I did.

01:52:36.000 And I went back.

01:52:37.000 I went back.

01:52:38.000 Joe, that's so crazy.

01:52:40.000 Yeah.

01:52:40.000 Well, I'm an elephant, bro.

01:52:42.000 I get it.

01:52:43.000 You don't forget.

01:52:45.000 But nothing you get taught to deal with, right, is...

01:52:49.000 What to say, what not to say.

01:52:50.000 People always give their opinion.

01:52:52.000 Like, even before coming on here, don't talk about a certain thing.

01:52:54.000 Because I have my beliefs, right?

01:52:55.000 So we stay in a safe space.

01:52:57.000 We can talk about it.

01:52:57.000 There's plenty of things for us.

01:52:58.000 What are people telling you not to talk about? 0.96

01:53:00.000 Ah, well, you don't talk about politics, you don't talk about people's parents, you don't talk about religion, shit like that, you know what I mean? 0.98

01:53:05.000 I would say don't talk about other people's parents. 0.98

01:53:07.000 That's a good one.

01:53:08.000 But politics and religion, that's just a part of my life.

01:53:11.000 Anybody says you shouldn't talk about politics and religion.

01:53:13.000 Well, that's the thing, though.

01:53:14.000 If I give my political view on this, it's like it opens up a door.

01:53:19.000 You'll get a lot of new people, but it opens up the door for all these other...

01:53:23.000 It's such a diverse, such a controversial argument.

01:53:26.000 It's like, I'll have this conversation with you off camera all day long.

01:53:29.000 I got my beliefs.

01:53:31.000 I think you know where I'm at.

01:53:32.000 But it's like...

01:53:33.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just certain things you don't...

01:53:35.000 Well, this is a very divided country, more so than...

01:53:38.000 I'm 56. Never in my life have I seen this country more divided.

01:53:42.000 That's crazy.

01:53:43.000 That's crazy.

01:53:43.000 Never.

01:53:44.000 You look like you fucking figured out how to reverse time, man. 0.99

01:53:47.000 You're talking about me being big. 1.00

01:53:48.000 You're fucking wider than me. 0.99

01:53:50.000 I stay healthy. 0.99

01:53:51.000 TRT and a lot of vitamins, and I'm always doing something.

01:53:55.000 I'm very active in taking care of my body.

01:53:58.000 You wish you fought?

01:53:59.000 No.

01:54:00.000 No.

01:54:01.000 You wish you had a fight?

01:54:02.000 I had kickboxing fights.

01:54:04.000 I had three kickboxing fights, and I had about a hundred Taekwondo fights. 0.99

01:54:08.000 And I- I've seen your fucking spinning back kick, bro. 0.98

01:54:11.000 I'm not fucking- Must stay out of range on that. 0.99

01:54:14.000 I unfortunately also came up in a gym that didn't spar smart. 0.98

01:54:20.000 We sparred hard.

01:54:21.000 We fought.

01:54:22.000 It was like a lot of knockouts. 0.56

01:54:23.000 When did you start?

01:54:25.000 I started martial arts when I was 15. That's when I started seriously.

01:54:28.000 I took a little bit of it before.

01:54:30.000 I took karate when I was 14. I fucked around a little bit before that. 0.99

01:54:34.000 But when I was 15, I became obsessed. 0.89

01:54:36.000 And, you know, just wasn't really good at anything other than art.

01:54:40.000 I was a good artist.

01:54:42.000 But it was nothing that really made me feel like I was a special person until I started doing martial arts.

01:54:47.000 Then when I started winning, and I became obsessed, I was training every day, and I started getting really good, winning tournaments, and then I realized, oh, I'm not a loser.

01:54:58.000 I just never figured out what to do.

01:55:01.000 And now I've found a thing to do, and I know that if I just work hard, I can be exceptional, and I can get better at it.

01:55:08.000 But I was also When I was making the transition into kickboxing, first of all, there was no money.

01:55:14.000 We're talking 1988. There's no money in it.

01:55:16.000 And there's no money in kickboxing.

01:55:18.000 I wasn't a good boxer.

01:55:19.000 I didn't have a lot of boxing experience.

01:55:21.000 And some of the guys that I was training with were going into boxing, particularly this one kid, Dana Rosenblatt, who went on to be the New England middleweight champion.

01:55:29.000 He beat Vinnie Pacienza, he beat Howard Davis Jr. Vinnie Pacienza fought Roy Jones.

01:55:35.000 Yes.

01:55:35.000 He was the only guy.

01:55:36.000 A broken neck.

01:55:37.000 Yeah, well he did.

01:55:38.000 He broke his neck in a car accident.

01:55:39.000 But when I was watching those guys, one of the things that I was seeing was brain damage.

01:55:45.000 I was seeing guys where I knew them from five years ago and then I know them now and I was noticing slurring, a slowness to the way they were thinking.

01:55:55.000 You know I was just seeing the people didn't just spar they fought in the gym and You know there's a lot of that from the early days of MMA as well You know particularly shoot the box those guys just beat the fuck out of each other like the old Miletic fighters those guys beat the fuck out of each other there was a lot of camps where The amount of damage, 0.99

01:56:17.000 like I've talked to Shaub about this too, about him training with Shane Carwin and those guys back in the day in Denver, they beat the fuck out of each other. 0.98

01:56:26.000 And the damage that you take in the gym, that shit counts. 0.99

01:56:30.000 It's real. 0.99

01:56:31.000 And in that way, I'm glad I didn't, because I started seeing... 0.98

01:56:36.000 I had a lot of headaches and that kind of shit early on. 0.98

01:56:41.000 And there was no future. 0.98

01:56:43.000 I didn't have a future in fighting.

01:56:45.000 It didn't exist.

01:56:46.000 So when the UFC came along...

01:56:49.000 Which was 1993. I'd already stopped fighting.

01:56:52.000 I was already doing stand-up comedy.

01:56:54.000 But I was like, oh, they figured it out.

01:56:56.000 This is it.

01:56:57.000 Somebody figured it out.

01:56:58.000 Because back then it was always like, how do you make a living as a martial artist if you want to compete?

01:57:04.000 There's no money.

01:57:05.000 You have to open up a school.

01:57:06.000 The only thing you could do is teach at a school and then compete in tournaments and there's no money in the tournaments.

01:57:11.000 But then when the UFC came along, also, we realized how much of what people were doing was nonsense.

01:57:17.000 How much of what people were doing was wasted time.

01:57:20.000 So that's how it was when Eddie was coming up.

01:57:22.000 It was like... 1.00

01:57:23.000 Barroom brawl type fucking training. 1.00

01:57:25.000 That's how I grew up when I seen it. 1.00

01:57:28.000 Bro, my dad used to be pitting me at 12 years old against 16 year olds. 0.96

01:57:31.000 And I remember I fucking thought my head was bleeding. 0.97

01:57:34.000 I'm sure. 0.98

01:57:34.000 And probably was. 0.98

01:57:36.000 You know, that kind of training, it teaches you how to be tough and how to deal with like a real fight.

01:57:43.000 And you definitely get more comfortable with really throwing.

01:57:46.000 But the consequences of those shots that you receive in training are legitimate.

01:57:51.000 You know Jerry Quarry?

01:57:52.000 You know who he is?

01:57:53.000 Famous boxer who fought Muhammad Ali back in the day.

01:57:56.000 Just a crazy tough dude who just walked forward and just ate punches and took a beating.

01:58:02.000 Just a tough tough dude. 0.90

01:58:03.000 Well he had a bunch of fights and at the end of his life he was a vegetable.

01:58:07.000 He was just gone.

01:58:09.000 Well, his brother only had like one pro fight, I think.

01:58:14.000 And his brother never had a pro career. 0.99

01:58:16.000 His brother was just as fucked up as he was at the end of his life. 1.00

01:58:19.000 And it was all from the gym. 1.00

01:58:20.000 All from just gym wars.

01:58:22.000 You know, I was watching this video last night on Wilfred Benitez.

01:58:27.000 And they were talking about Wilfredo Benitez, during his day, was just an insanely slick boxer.

01:58:35.000 You know, turned pro when he was 17, was a world champion shortly after that, was an incredible defensive boxer out of Puerto Rico.

01:58:44.000 And at the end of his life, man, where he is now, like, he's bedridden, he's a vegetable, basically.

01:58:50.000 That's him now.

01:58:51.000 I mean, it's so hard to see, man.

01:58:54.000 That's a shame.

01:58:55.000 Yeah, I heard- Last Friday, Wilfred Benitez.

01:58:57.000 The pride of Puerto Rico, the ailing boxing greys now fully depend on his sister who watches over him in their Humboldt apartment. 1.00

01:59:04.000 So that's exactly another reason, right?

01:59:06.000 Like, when you want to talk about what we were talking about, meaning going 200 mile an hour.

01:59:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:10.000 I could go into like that shit. 0.99

01:59:12.000 I don't like reading that stuff because that sits in the back of my mind, too. 1.00

01:59:16.000 I don't want to be a fucking vegetable, right? 0.94

01:59:18.000 But I'm not and I'm not knocking our pay, but we don't make what any other professional athlete makes Well, you do at the high end at the high end, right? 0.98

01:59:29.000 Yeah, you know, I'm three fights in I'm fortunate to be getting the main event and I I don't know, but I was told that there's only one other person that's done that in my division.

01:59:41.000 And I don't know who it is.

01:59:43.000 And I want to know who it is.

01:59:44.000 I don't know, but obviously there's a shit ton of hype on you.

01:59:48.000 You've got a lot of great hype on you.

01:59:50.000 Which, you know what's crazy?

01:59:52.000 It doesn't do anything to me.

01:59:54.000 I think DC didn't believe me at first when I made my debut.

01:59:59.000 When I got in the UFC, the weight on my shoulders dropped.

02:00:02.000 Now, there's another weight that comes on, right?

02:00:04.000 The expectation and things like that that I hold myself to.

02:00:07.000 But I'm like, man... 0.98

02:00:08.000 I don't give a fuck if there's a thousand people, if there's zero people, if there's 50,000 people. 0.98

02:00:14.000 It doesn't faze me. 0.99

02:00:15.000 I don't care about that.

02:00:16.000 I'm so locked in on your face.

02:00:18.000 That's what I want. 1.00

02:00:20.000 You, motherfucker. 1.00

02:00:22.000 You are the second half of my paycheck. 1.00

02:00:24.000 I'm coming for you.

02:00:26.000 I think sometimes that's where you have really talented guys that don't know how to get past the lights, the cameras.

02:00:34.000 It's a big moment.

02:00:35.000 You see it all the time when they make that UFC debut.

02:00:40.000 Some guys just rise to the occasion and you see them better than they've ever been before in the UFC debut.

02:00:44.000 Because they belong there.

02:00:45.000 They're champions.

02:00:46.000 They just have to...

02:00:47.000 And then there's other guys that get dwarfed by the moment.

02:00:49.000 The moment hits them and they're just, oof.

02:00:51.000 You know what's crazy?

02:00:52.000 The moment hits you, it's a weird feeling.

02:00:57.000 It's so different even for me sitting as a fan watching. 0.98

02:01:02.000 Like you don't realize what that person's going through when you walk out and it's like a cold sweat because it's a fucking big-ass building like AC. It's like that cold sweat, but you're kind of hot and then you fucking realize when you're in there, it's like everything's like so amplified and you're like fuck man like I'm about to get into a fist fight. 0.99

02:01:19.000 But then, that's where you make that decision. 0.97

02:01:21.000 Once that finally hits your brain, which we all have it, you either can hone in on what you're about to do, or you can hone in on the fact that you don't feel like being there.

02:01:30.000 And one of the things that I've come to terms with is, I think that changed my trajectory of my career and the way I fought.

02:01:36.000 Because if you watch my early fights, I would just go out there and try to blitz and get out of there. 0.98

02:01:41.000 And just fuck you up and knock you out and get out. 0.99

02:01:43.000 That's what I wanted to do. 1.00

02:01:45.000 I don't force trying to knock people out.

02:01:47.000 I don't force the finish.

02:01:48.000 I don't.

02:01:49.000 I just try to wear and then catch you.

02:01:51.000 I know I need one.

02:01:52.000 In my head, I'm convinced.

02:01:54.000 You could be Francis Ngannou.

02:01:56.000 I think I need one.

02:01:58.000 I wholeheartedly believe that.

02:02:01.000 And then you've got the other aspect of fighters that convince themselves, oh, I can knock somebody out.

02:02:06.000 But they don't truly believe it.

02:02:08.000 It's different. 0.98

02:02:08.000 Yeah, there's a difference between coaching yourself to believe it and actually fucking believing it. 0.98

02:02:12.000 Well, you have extraordinary power. 0.93

02:02:14.000 And what I was saying about the Razak Al-Hassan fight is that you showed another level of poise in that fight.

02:02:22.000 It was another level of technique.

02:02:24.000 It was another level of like...

02:02:26.000 Again, it's very difficult for a fighter to express themselves... 0.99

02:02:30.000 You know when a guy's on in the gym and you just go, motherfucker, look at that dude. 0.99

02:02:35.000 Sometimes guys just look like they're on fire. 0.99

02:02:38.000 They're timing, they're everything.

02:02:39.000 Look at a world-beater.

02:02:40.000 You're like, who could beat that dude?

02:02:41.000 Right, who could beat that dude?

02:02:42.000 And then it's very difficult to express that inside the octagon.

02:02:46.000 So when you hear a lot of great things about fighters and then you see a performance, You got to go, okay, they got to get over the anxiety, they got to get over the pressure, they got to get over the experience boundary, because you do need experience in front of different styles, no matter what.

02:03:01.000 No matter how well you train and how good your training partners are, you need live experience against really talented fighters to really develop to your full potential.

02:03:10.000 And in the Razak fight, I saw it with you.

02:03:13.000 I was like, okay, he hit another level.

02:03:16.000 Yeah, I wish...

02:03:20.000 That was a tough fight.

02:03:21.000 It was.

02:03:22.000 It was a scary fight to take because he was tactically behind me and he had all knockouts. 0.99

02:03:28.000 In the back of your head, there's that fear like, ah, shit. 0.99

02:03:32.000 He can clip anybody. 1.00

02:03:33.000 He can clip anybody, right?

02:03:34.000 In the same token, I just kept it very small.

02:03:38.000 I didn't buy into that.

02:03:39.000 It was like, bro, you're a middleweight short guy that is coming up to a weight you don't belong.

02:03:43.000 That's my opinion.

02:03:44.000 Do you think that he should be 170?

02:03:46.000 100%.

02:03:46.000 He does not belong at 185. He's not the leanest guy at 185. He's a thick, spark plug-built type style.

02:03:54.000 He's a fire hydrant, right?

02:03:55.000 He is a big man at 170. I just think he's lazy. 0.63

02:04:03.000 I think he's lazy.

02:04:04.000 That's my opinion because the fact that I took you down that easy, the fact that I kept you down that easy.

02:04:09.000 Bro, I put that choke in pretty basic.

02:04:11.000 And I felt him will. 1.00

02:04:12.000 I think the slam really was like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:04:15.000 And then he got slammed again. 0.99

02:04:17.000 There's such a difference in size.

02:04:19.000 There's such a difference in size.

02:04:20.000 And I've advocated many times for multiple weight classes.

02:04:24.000 I think the jump between 70 and 85 is too high, and I think the jump between 85 and 205 is way too high.

02:04:30.000 20 pounds is so big.

02:04:32.000 It is, it is.

02:04:34.000 Obviously, Pejeda pulls it off, but he's a freak of freak. 0.94

02:04:38.000 195 would be a sweet ass class, man.

02:04:39.000 I think you get the perfect, you get the height.

02:04:44.000 It's funny, every fighter will contest to say that their division is the best, but I think the perfect athlete is my size.

02:04:51.000 The height.

02:04:52.000 The power.

02:04:53.000 The power.

02:04:54.000 Right.

02:04:54.000 The explosiveness.

02:04:56.000 Everything.

02:04:56.000 If you can...

02:04:57.000 I do.

02:04:58.000 Like a Yoel Romero.

02:05:00.000 You get a taller guy.

02:05:02.000 I mean, he's not the tallest, right?

02:05:03.000 Or even a Paul Acosta.

02:05:05.000 Right.

02:05:05.000 You look at their build.

02:05:06.000 I think that's the perfect mix between a not-too-tall, just-the-right-height, big, explosive, high-volume.

02:05:13.000 High-volume.

02:05:13.000 I like heavyweights.

02:05:14.000 Yeah.

02:05:14.000 But still crazy knockout power.

02:05:16.000 Yeah.

02:05:17.000 But that's just me.

02:05:18.000 Yeah.

02:05:19.000 No, I see that argument.

02:05:20.000 85 is obviously a very deep division, too.

02:05:23.000 Because there's a big size difference between 70 and 85. It's a big difference, which is the Calvin argument.

02:05:30.000 But then when Calvin went down to 170, but Sean's a big one, fucking 72. His back looks like it's two people's backs. 0.96

02:05:37.000 Is that going?

02:05:37.000 No.

02:05:38.000 Sean Brady.

02:05:39.000 Oh, Brady? 1.00

02:05:39.000 Bro, he's just chest, dick, and legs. 1.00

02:05:42.000 It's insane. 1.00

02:05:43.000 His back is like layers of bricks. 0.99

02:05:45.000 He's an ape. 0.98

02:05:46.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:05:46.000 Literally, his lats sit. 0.95

02:05:48.000 He's got so much what you would call squeeze power.

02:05:52.000 Yeah.

02:05:52.000 You can see all that squeeze power on him.

02:05:54.000 That's exactly it. 1.00

02:05:55.000 This fucker, when he gets you in something, you think, man, he's squeezing with everything he's got. 1.00

02:06:00.000 And then it just keeps going. 1.00

02:06:02.000 And it keeps going.

02:06:02.000 It keeps going.

02:06:03.000 It's like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:06:04.000 But his back, it's like these layers of muscle. 1.00

02:06:08.000 I hate him. 0.99

02:06:09.000 When he's walking, it's ridiculous. 0.99

02:06:11.000 He's got an extra back on top of his back. 1.00

02:06:14.000 I don't know what the fuck. 0.99

02:06:15.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:06:16.000 He deadlifts more than me.

02:06:17.000 He squats more than me. 1.00

02:06:17.000 Fuck him. 1.00

02:06:18.000 I don't like him. 1.00

02:06:18.000 That's a big fucker dude. 1.00

02:06:19.000 But when you look at a guy like that, that's a legit 170. That guy at 170 is a fucking terrifying force. 1.00

02:06:26.000 Like a Kamaru Usman at 170. That's a terrifying force. 1.00

02:06:30.000 20 pounds heavier than that?

02:06:32.000 You know who's a freak at 70, though?

02:06:34.000 Randy Brown.

02:06:36.000 Oh, yeah.

02:06:37.000 That's a tall boy.

02:06:38.000 He can box, man.

02:06:40.000 He can box.

02:06:40.000 I was so mad at the way that we literally said, like, yo, don't exit.

02:06:44.000 Don't exit.

02:06:45.000 You can't exit with your hands down, bro.

02:06:47.000 He's going to swing bombs over hands because he's got to reach you.

02:06:49.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

02:06:50.000 I fucking did it, man. 1.00

02:06:51.000 It happens. 1.00

02:06:54.000 You know, Jalen Turner is another one. 0.99

02:06:56.000 That dude at 155, that is crazy.

02:06:59.000 I love Bobby Green.

02:07:02.000 I watched him for years.

02:07:03.000 I was so mad at that.

02:07:04.000 That was horrible.

02:07:05.000 He did his job.

02:07:06.000 That referee should have stopped that fight 10-15 punches earlier.

02:07:10.000 Yeah, the referees.

02:07:11.000 I don't know who it was.

02:07:12.000 I don't know what happened.

02:07:13.000 They're good.

02:07:14.000 I don't want to say his name, but ordinarily he's good.

02:07:17.000 I don't know what happened. 0.99

02:07:18.000 People fuck up. 0.99

02:07:19.000 They make mistakes. 1.00

02:07:20.000 Yeah, it happens.

02:07:21.000 You give a guy a chance.

02:07:22.000 You think the guy's going to survive.

02:07:24.000 We were watching the Jose Luis Castillo fight.

02:07:27.000 It's a tough job to know when to call it because you don't want to take that opportunity from somebody.

02:07:33.000 Yes.

02:07:34.000 What was the one fight?

02:07:35.000 Yuri Prochaska and Alex Pahita.

02:07:36.000 Yeah, man.

02:07:37.000 I was pissed watching it. 0.99

02:07:38.000 I was like, yo, like, let him fucking try. 0.99

02:07:40.000 He's still moving. 0.99

02:07:41.000 He's still moving.

02:07:42.000 And Yuri has shown the ability to recover.

02:07:44.000 Like, the Dominic Reyes fight.

02:07:45.000 He was out on his feet.

02:07:46.000 Bro, I love Jerry.

02:07:47.000 Yuri's a bad man. 0.81

02:07:49.000 I love that reel when he's screaming out in the wild.

02:07:53.000 Yeah.

02:07:53.000 Bro, I've done that in my truck.

02:07:54.000 Bro, how funny was Jamal Hill?

02:07:57.000 Jamal Hill, when Yuri did that thing, he was out saying, I'm coming.

02:08:03.000 I'm coming.

02:08:04.000 That's what she said.

02:08:05.000 That's what she said!

02:08:07.000 Jamal Hill's cool.

02:08:08.000 He's hilarious. 0.99

02:08:09.000 He's funny as shit. 0.95

02:08:10.000 I'm excited about his return. 0.99

02:08:12.000 Him against Baheda, that is a very exciting fight for me.

02:08:15.000 I think he beats him.

02:08:16.000 He might.

02:08:17.000 I think he beats him.

02:08:18.000 Bro, I think he's deceptive.

02:08:20.000 He looks fluffy, but he's quick and he's got snap.

02:08:24.000 Well, what he did to Glover Teixeira...

02:08:27.000 Glover Teixeira is a bad man.

02:08:29.000 Bro, that dude did not want to lose.

02:08:32.000 No.

02:08:32.000 That's a man that wanted it.

02:08:33.000 He's a bad man.

02:08:34.000 And Jamal put it on him.

02:08:37.000 Yeah.

02:08:37.000 He put it on him.

02:08:38.000 Jamal is so good at finding your fucking chin. 1.00

02:08:42.000 He's just got this range intelligence, this intelligence of when to strike and when to... 0.99

02:08:50.000 There's so many of his fights where you watch the movement.

02:08:53.000 He's like a snake charmer.

02:08:55.000 He knows how to put it on you.

02:08:57.000 The Johnny Walker one. 1.00

02:08:59.000 When everybody said that Jamal doesn't hit hard, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

02:09:04.000 That is the weirdest fucking knockout I've ever seen. 1.00

02:09:06.000 I thought he was fucking... 1.00

02:09:07.000 I thought he went. 0.99

02:09:09.000 Yeah, he like bent forward and then flew back. 0.99

02:09:11.000 And I was like, I've never seen some dumb shit like that ever. 0.99

02:09:14.000 Johnny has been knocked out a lot. 0.99

02:09:16.000 And the thing is, like, when a guy gets knocked out a lot, it's like, you gotta wonder how much...

02:09:21.000 He just got his nose broken.

02:09:22.000 Yeah.

02:09:23.000 Hank Goliath was a bad man.

02:09:25.000 That's a thick dude, man.

02:09:26.000 That's what I was talking about when I was saying, like, yo, you got different bone densities.

02:09:30.000 Like, that's a thick guy.

02:09:31.000 Well, then you got to think of Jan Bohovic. 1.00

02:09:34.000 Jan Bohovic went shin to shin with that dude and fucked his legs up. 0.99

02:09:38.000 Like, Jan Bohovic is made out of rocks. 1.00

02:09:40.000 Like, that fucking dude. 1.00

02:09:41.000 And that's another one. 1.00

02:09:43.000 He's built like SpongeBob SquarePants.

02:09:44.000 When Adesanya went up to 205, like, that guy was too big.

02:09:48.000 He's too big.

02:09:49.000 That's a giant jump, man.

02:09:51.000 That's a giant jump.

02:09:52.000 You think Izzy comes back 2027 or sooner?

02:09:54.000 You know, I think sooner.

02:09:56.000 I think sooner.

02:09:58.000 I think, you know, you say things like that because your body's beat up.

02:10:01.000 He went through so many camps in a row.

02:10:03.000 He defended his title more than any other champion.

02:10:06.000 So active as a champion.

02:10:07.000 So active. 0.97

02:10:08.000 You're gonna get, and then I fucking think he just didn't... 0.98

02:10:12.000 I think he slept on Sean a little bit. 0.98

02:10:14.000 I think he burnt out.

02:10:15.000 I think it was a little bit of that, but also I think he thought Sean wasn't on his level.

02:10:19.000 I think he thought he was going to piece him up the way he did with Paulo Costa.

02:10:23.000 That he was just going to go piece him up, but Sean is so hard to hit.

02:10:29.000 They did that thing with the UFC where I think it's a mouthpiece where it registers how many times you get hit.

02:10:34.000 Sean spars more than anybody and he gets hit less than anybody, which is pretty extraordinary.

02:10:39.000 That style is very sneaky.

02:10:42.000 I know the Philly shell.

02:10:44.000 I don't do it the same way he does.

02:10:46.000 It's weird to see someone do it in MMA because no one else does it.

02:10:50.000 It just looks odd.

02:10:53.000 But he also doesn't dip.

02:10:56.000 So I think that's kind of like a part of his defense.

02:10:59.000 A lot of people that do the Philly show, like me, sometimes I'll dip into a certain side, and it's like he just kind of stands straight and leans and either puts his arms out.

02:11:09.000 The problem with dipping with kicks is like... 0.99

02:11:12.000 Kick your face off, man. 0.96

02:11:13.000 Yeah, you zig when you should have zagged, and that shin's coming at you. 1.00

02:11:17.000 You know, I mean, there's so many fucking good fights to be had right now. 0.93

02:11:22.000 There's so many good fights that are coming up. 0.95

02:11:23.000 You know what I'm really fucking excited about is Volkanovski versus Ilya Topuria. 0.71

02:11:28.000 Ilyas. 0.99

02:11:29.000 I like watching Ilya box, bro.

02:11:31.000 That's a bad man.

02:11:32.000 He hunts the body.

02:11:33.000 I love it.

02:11:34.000 He's a bad man.

02:11:34.000 He's a tough dude.

02:11:35.000 And he's a guy that knows how to take it, too.

02:11:37.000 If you watch that Jai Herbert fight, where he got caught with a head kicked.

02:11:40.000 Yeah, he got dropped.

02:11:40.000 Bad.

02:11:41.000 Still came bad.

02:11:42.000 Yeah, and that's at 55, too.

02:11:44.000 I do think Ilya wins.

02:11:45.000 He's a 45er. 0.56

02:11:45.000 I do think Ilya wins. 0.56

02:11:46.000 Really?

02:11:47.000 I do, yeah.

02:11:48.000 Me and Sean do a little tiny podcast on picking fights.

02:11:53.000 This is a situation I wanted to talk to you about this because there's a lot of different philosophies on this.

02:11:57.000 I understand why Usman took that last minute fight against Hansa.

02:12:03.000 And I understand why Volkanovski took that last minute fight against Makachev. 0.99

02:12:08.000 And as a fan, when I was at home and they announced those changes, I was like, oh shit! 0.99

02:12:14.000 But the reality is you need a camp. 0.98

02:12:18.000 You are not the same guy with 10 days notice as you are with 10 weeks notice.

02:12:24.000 You are just not the same guy. 0.97

02:12:26.000 And when you look at the Volkanovski that fought Makachev the first time, that was a guy who went through a full fucking camp and was A +, rip ready to go, full gas tank, let's fucking go. 0.96

02:12:38.000 Let alone what it does for you mentally. 0.97

02:12:41.000 Yes.

02:12:42.000 Yes. 0.96

02:12:43.000 You have to go through that suffering to know that you were built strong enough to withstand what you're about to go through, and I won't take no fucking short notice fight. 0.99

02:12:51.000 I'll die. 0.98

02:12:51.000 I don't think you should either. 0.98

02:12:53.000 I really don't think anyone should, even though I like them when they make them. 0.97

02:12:56.000 I'm a hypocrite.

02:12:57.000 I won't do it. 0.94

02:12:58.000 Because as a fan, I'm like, ooh, I can't wait to see this. 0.99

02:13:00.000 You can be a hypocrite as long as you're a fan. 0.97

02:13:03.000 If I was in Usman's corner, if Kamara was my friend, I'd say, don't do it. 0.99

02:13:08.000 Don't do it.

02:13:08.000 I think you beat that guy with a camp.

02:13:10.000 Yeah.

02:13:10.000 I mean, even at 85, I think you beat that guy.

02:13:13.000 I do, too.

02:13:13.000 Because if you look at the third round, he was coming out strong.

02:13:15.000 Yeah, a comp that was done.

02:13:17.000 We didn't have a camp at all.

02:13:18.000 I think there's a difference.

02:13:20.000 A giant difference.

02:13:22.000 It's not like a 5% difference.

02:13:24.000 I think it's like a 25% difference.

02:13:26.000 Probably even more than that. 1.00

02:13:27.000 And when you look at Makachev, first of all, Makachev is a fucking monster. 1.00

02:13:31.000 He's a monster. 1.00

02:13:32.000 You do not want to fight that guy when he's gone through a full camp in Dagestan.

02:13:37.000 Rip ready to go, and he had adjusted to Volkanovski's style.

02:13:41.000 He had a completely good solution.

02:13:43.000 He had a perfect solution. 0.90

02:13:45.000 The kicks to the body.

02:13:46.000 He was throwing those kicks to the body and set up that head kick.

02:13:49.000 He took away Volkanovski's leg kicks from the outside. 0.94

02:13:51.000 He took away all the shit that Volkanovski was doing to him that was troubling him in the first fight, and he imposed his will on him. 0.95

02:13:57.000 But that's often the problem, right? 0.98

02:13:58.000 You go, you take a short notice fight, sure. 0.96

02:14:00.000 Now everybody will sit here and say, man, that guy's got balls.

02:14:03.000 And then that rides off into the sunset, and that's all you got for it. 0.96

02:14:05.000 Or you get Aspinall.

02:14:07.000 Tom Aspinall wins the title on short-notice fight and couldn't even spar. 0.88

02:14:12.000 His rib was all fucked up. 0.94

02:14:14.000 He couldn't even train. 0.99

02:14:15.000 He couldn't wrestle. 0.95

02:14:16.000 And he's fighting Sergey, who's a monster. 0.66

02:14:18.000 He's a monster, but I think they blew him up.

02:14:20.000 They blew Sergei out? 0.94

02:14:21.000 I think they blew him up.

02:14:22.000 Yeah, because they needed the next crazy punching power guy. 0.59

02:14:26.000 Well, he does have that.

02:14:27.000 He definitely does.

02:14:28.000 But you also have to look at the Alistair overing fight. 0.98

02:14:30.000 Alistair fucked him up. 0.96

02:14:31.000 But we all knew he had, like, yeah. 0.98

02:14:32.000 I mean, honestly, Alistair, yes.

02:14:34.000 Alistair did and exposed his wrestling and things like that.

02:14:37.000 But, I mean...

02:14:38.000 Alistair's the guy.

02:14:40.000 That's the steroid argument.

02:14:42.000 Like, that's the guy.

02:14:43.000 Yeah, that's the guy for legalizing steroids. 1.00

02:14:45.000 That's a fucking... 0.99

02:14:47.000 I remember I was so excited, we couldn't afford to fucking buy it, but I was like, when him and Brock Lesnar fought, and I was like, man, I just remember the hype video, and I was like, yo, these are two fucking giants. 0.99

02:14:59.000 Brock was huge. 0.77

02:15:00.000 But then again, Brock probably shouldn't have taken that fight either, because Brock was just a few months out of diverticulitis surgery, where he had to get a length of his colon or his intestine removed.

02:15:11.000 Thank God, man, I've never had anything like that. 0.92

02:15:13.000 And to get kicked in the body like that from Alistair, who's a K-1 Grand Prix champion, and juiced to the tits at 260. Alistair was huge! 0.98

02:15:24.000 He was fucking huge, man! 0.99

02:15:29.000 So you think that the heavyweight... 0.99

02:15:32.000 Do you think the heavyweight limit should be 285?

02:15:35.000 No.

02:15:36.000 I don't think there should be a limit.

02:15:37.000 I don't either.

02:15:38.000 I don't think it makes any sense.

02:15:39.000 We don't have a super heavyweight class.

02:15:40.000 I say anything above 330 is too much.

02:15:43.000 Why?

02:15:43.000 Let him fight.

02:15:44.000 Because then you're going to get some fat motherfucker that ain't throwing a single punch. 1.00

02:15:48.000 Let that guy get fucked up by Francis. 1.00

02:15:50.000 Fair enough. 0.99

02:15:50.000 But I don't think you should cut weight. 0.99

02:15:53.000 I think you should be like a heavyweight in boxing.

02:15:55.000 Like when Andy Ruiz fought Joshua terrible in the second fight.

02:16:00.000 He was so fat.

02:16:01.000 He's 280 pounds. 0.93

02:16:03.000 But that's just what you are.

02:16:05.000 That's it.

02:16:06.000 This is heavyweight.

02:16:07.000 Heavyweight is heavyweight.

02:16:08.000 This idea of a super heavyweight class, we've never utilized it.

02:16:11.000 There's a weight class above 265. Why do you think Dana won't do it? 0.89

02:16:15.000 There's nobody there!

02:16:17.000 Who's there other than Francis?

02:16:18.000 No, no, no, no, like, even like a 195, a 175. I don't know.

02:16:23.000 They don't listen to me.

02:16:24.000 Listen, if it was me, I would do two things very, very early on. 0.95

02:16:30.000 If it was my decision, and it would fucking throw everything into chaos, but ultimately be better for the sport. 0.69

02:16:36.000 Number one thing I would do is more weight classes. 0.93

02:16:39.000 I would say minimum every 10 pounds.

02:16:43.000 I agree with that.

02:16:44.000 And at the lighter weight classes, you could go five pounds.

02:16:47.000 Look at what boxing does.

02:16:49.000 Boxing is 126, 130, 135. They go...

02:16:54.000 I think it would be the cleanest organization to have... 0.98

02:16:58.000 Every 10 pounds, but without like boxing, there's four different fucking belts at each weight class or whatever it is.

02:17:05.000 Well, there is kind of with the UFC, you know, I mean people respect, obviously Jotty Eblen is like one of the best middleweights on the planet Earth, without a doubt.

02:17:13.000 And unfortunately, he's fighting at Bellator and the casual has no idea who he is. 0.58

02:17:18.000 Well, the guy's a monster.

02:17:19.000 He just got announced to fight, um... 0.96

02:17:22.000 Impa.

02:17:23.000 Yes.

02:17:24.000 Me and Impa fought in the same contender series when I broke my arm and he won.

02:17:28.000 I like Impa.

02:17:29.000 Impa's a great guy.

02:17:30.000 And unfortunately, he's at the wrong end of that highlight kick from Joaquin Buckley.

02:17:37.000 Hit him with one of the craziest kicks of all time.

02:17:39.000 That jump spinning back kick while he was holding his left leg. 0.64

02:17:41.000 That was wild.

02:17:42.000 That was wild.

02:17:44.000 And Joaquin is another one. 1.00

02:17:46.000 That dude at 170 is a fucking problem. 0.98

02:17:50.000 And he's a guy who was a big muscular guy who decided to fight at 85 and was beating a lot of guys at 85 because he's so powerful. 0.99

02:17:58.000 But you see him at 170. His gas tank is crazy.

02:18:02.000 His skills look like he's on another level.

02:18:04.000 I know he was salty.

02:18:05.000 I told him in the back before I beat Abdulazza, I'm gonna take that bonus from you. 1.00

02:18:10.000 They were talking shit on me when I walked in the fucking P.I., though. 0.99

02:18:13.000 Oh, yeah? 1.00

02:18:14.000 Yeah, but me and Buckley are cool.

02:18:16.000 I love Buckley.

02:18:17.000 Yeah, he was like, man, be Joe Pfeiffer. 1.00

02:18:19.000 And Abdul was like, man, fuck Joe Pfeiffer. 1.00

02:18:21.000 I was like, ah, that's how you feel. 1.00

02:18:23.000 All right.

02:18:24.000 But, yeah, it was funny.

02:18:26.000 Joaquin's funny.

02:18:26.000 Joaquin at 170 is a real force.

02:18:29.000 He's a real force.

02:18:30.000 I think as he moves up in the rankings at 170, I think that's his real weight class.

02:18:35.000 So here's the thing, though.

02:18:35.000 When I look at a guy like Buckley, and hopefully he watches this or he doesn't watch this and get offended, How does he fare against somebody like...

02:18:45.000 You still got Kevin Holland, who whooped him.

02:18:47.000 He did.

02:18:48.000 He whooped him at 185. But I think, in all fairness, I think Joaquin is a way better fight.

02:18:54.000 He's a way better fighter now at 170. Now.

02:18:58.000 Look, you get better. 1.00

02:18:59.000 The dude is driven as fuck. 0.99

02:19:01.000 He's constantly training. 1.00

02:19:02.000 He's getting better.

02:19:03.000 Everybody gets better.

02:19:04.000 Or they don't.

02:19:05.000 And when they don't, you see that, too.

02:19:07.000 You see those guys that plateau.

02:19:07.000 I would like to see Joaquin against a guy like Jeff Neal type of deal.

02:19:10.000 I like Jeff Neal.

02:19:12.000 Well, dude, Jeff Neal is another guy.

02:19:13.000 Go back and watch his Bilal Muhammad fight.

02:19:15.000 He peaced up Bilal back in the day.

02:19:17.000 Jeff Neal was the dark horse. 1.00

02:19:18.000 When he knocked out Mike Perry, when he hit him with that head kick, Jeff Neal is a motherfucker when he's on. 1.00

02:19:23.000 I think he's the one that put Mike Perry's fucking nose on the other side of his face. 0.99

02:19:26.000 I thought it was too, but Mike corrected me online. 0.99

02:19:28.000 It was Vicente Luque.

02:19:30.000 Vicente Luque did that to his nose.

02:19:32.000 Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:19:33.000 Meanwhile, Mike Perry at Bare Knuckle Boxing is one of the fucking dangerous human beings ever. 0.95

02:19:40.000 He's specifically designed for bare knuckle fighting. 0.97

02:19:44.000 That guy is uniquely qualified to do that.

02:19:47.000 Lorenzo Hunt.

02:19:48.000 You know him?

02:19:48.000 Yeah.

02:19:49.000 I beat him.

02:19:50.000 Did you? 0.92

02:19:50.000 Choked him unconscious. 0.92

02:19:51.000 In an MMA fight?

02:19:53.000 Yeah, my third or fourth pro fight.

02:19:54.000 He said, man, that's somebody's kid!

02:19:57.000 That's somebody's kid!

02:19:58.000 And I choked him.

02:19:59.000 Is that about you?

02:19:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:20:00.000 I didn't throw a single fucking punch. 0.99

02:20:02.000 He came out, threw a wild right hand, took him down, choked him out. 0.99

02:20:04.000 He's a very good bare knuckle boxer.

02:20:06.000 That was my first introduction because I was still kind of undersized at middleweight. 0.97

02:20:10.000 He was my first introduction to like an old head that was like 33, 34 that had like fucking grown man strength. 1.00

02:20:17.000 Have you seen that motherfucker's head? 1.00

02:20:18.000 His shit's like this fucking big. 1.00

02:20:20.000 Yeah, he's stout. 1.00

02:20:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:20:23.000 Bare knuckle fighting is not getting the respect that it deserves.

02:20:27.000 I think it's too brutal for the common people.

02:20:29.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:20:31.000 I think you're probably right.

02:20:32.000 But I'm a big fan of the Juggernaut.

02:20:35.000 He's a beast.

02:20:35.000 I love watching those guys, too.

02:20:37.000 It's just because it's such a hard way to do it.

02:20:39.000 It's such a hard way to do it. 0.98

02:20:41.000 I mean, bare-knuckle boxing is fucking rough. 0.97

02:20:44.000 You see when Rockhold quit when Mike Perry blasted his teeth out. 0.99

02:20:47.000 He's like, that's it.

02:20:48.000 Bro, honestly, Rockhold is the biggest disappointment to me. 1.00

02:20:51.000 He used to be one of my favorite fighters, and he's just like, I didn't realize how fucking socially stupid he is. 1.00

02:20:56.000 In an interview, it's the worst shit I've ever listened to. 1.00

02:21:00.000 Yeah, you better. 1.00

02:21:01.000 I'm coming. 0.99

02:21:03.000 It's like, you don't know what the fuck to say? 1.00

02:21:05.000 Well, in his prime, the man was a monster. 1.00

02:21:08.000 Yeah, he was a beast, man. 1.00

02:21:09.000 He was a fucking monster in his prime. 1.00

02:21:10.000 When he beat up Chris Weidman and won the title. 1.00

02:21:12.000 That was a crazy fight.

02:21:13.000 Crazy.

02:21:13.000 And then he just kind of like fell off.

02:21:15.000 Ever since Mike fucking checked his shit, I think Mike ruined him. 1.00

02:21:18.000 Bisbee. 1.00

02:21:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:21:19.000 I think Mike fucking broke him, man. 0.99

02:21:21.000 Well, that was a bad loss. 0.99

02:21:23.000 And to fight Bisping on short notice and be like super cocky.

02:21:26.000 There's a thing about being confident and being delusional or overconfident or not respecting your opponent.

02:21:34.000 Everybody deserves it.

02:21:35.000 Yeah, I don't know if that's what happened with Adesanya and Strickland.

02:21:37.000 I think Strickland is just that good.

02:21:38.000 I really do think.

02:21:39.000 I don't think Izzy sidestepped him as much as we think. 0.96

02:21:43.000 I just think people don't understand when you're in there and you got a guy that never fucking takes a step backwards. 0.79

02:21:49.000 Right. 0.95

02:21:50.000 It throws you off.

02:21:51.000 You never can plant.

02:21:52.000 So you're not hitting your power shots.

02:21:55.000 You're not doing the damage that you would if you were dictating.

02:21:58.000 You're not going on your terms when you're going backwards the whole time.

02:22:01.000 And that's why I think DDP has a good chance because he's going to fight for that center to walk forward.

02:22:07.000 He's a guy that walks forward.

02:22:09.000 Sean walks forward.

02:22:10.000 I just think because DDP kind of falls over his knee when he attacks, I think he's going to get Shawn to move back.

02:22:16.000 But for how long?

02:22:17.000 We'll see.

02:22:18.000 I'm very interested to see who prevails.

02:22:20.000 I think he does well early.

02:22:21.000 The Abus fight, Abus Magomedov fight, I think that fight was one of the most impressive fights of Strickland's fight.

02:22:26.000 I do too.

02:22:27.000 I think it was underwhelming to people though.

02:22:28.000 Abus comes out in that first round like a bat out of hell, but he just gassed out.

02:22:33.000 I mean, he was gassed out at the end of the first round.

02:22:35.000 Yo, he was throwing bombs.

02:22:36.000 He was trying to take him out.

02:22:37.000 I think Abus was just so used to taking guys out that he thought he could just put it on Shawn. 1.00

02:22:42.000 And he was hitting Shawn with fucking fire. 1.00

02:22:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:22:44.000 He was hitting him. 1.00

02:22:45.000 That dude's good, man.

02:22:46.000 He's good.

02:22:47.000 But Shawn just wilted him.

02:22:49.000 Yeah.

02:22:49.000 He just wilted him.

02:22:50.000 Yeah, man.

02:22:51.000 He doesn't get tired.

02:22:52.000 It's crazy when you have a guy who spars as much as Sean, because the bulk of Sean's training is sparring, and he spars hard.

02:23:00.000 He's so accustomed to that, that that's really like a fight all the time.

02:23:05.000 He knows himself very well.

02:23:06.000 He knows what he's good at, and he knows what he likes.

02:23:08.000 He knows what works for him.

02:23:10.000 So why fix what's not broken?

02:23:13.000 What do you think Adesanya does when he comes back?

02:23:16.000 Who does he fight?

02:23:18.000 He's not going to fight Paulo Costa.

02:23:20.000 He's still ranked, right?

02:23:21.000 Of course.

02:23:22.000 But why wouldn't you take him out of the rankings if he's saying he's not coming back for three, four years?

02:23:26.000 Because he's not really.

02:23:29.000 But that's why I'm asking that.

02:23:30.000 I don't think he's going to sit out that long either.

02:23:33.000 Three years is crazy.

02:23:34.000 That would be a crazy thing to do.

02:23:36.000 I mean, unless...

02:23:37.000 Look, I haven't talked to him.

02:23:39.000 He may have real injuries that need real...

02:23:43.000 Like we said, he fought so much he was active.

02:23:46.000 I think...

02:23:47.000 I think this fight happens this weekend, and I think maybe one or two more title fights, whoever is holding it. 0.99

02:23:55.000 I think if DDP wins, there's a chance he slides in to fight Drickus, just because of all that shit. 0.97

02:24:02.000 That Asanya fight? 0.99

02:24:03.000 It could be.

02:24:04.000 And also Hamzat. 0.88

02:24:05.000 You've got to wonder where Hamzat fits in that. 0.97

02:24:07.000 I mean, obviously Hamzat beat Usman.

02:24:10.000 They might.

02:24:11.000 You think?

02:24:11.000 Yeah.

02:24:12.000 Well, he's got superstar power.

02:24:13.000 Yeah, he's got superstar power.

02:24:13.000 I mean, honestly, I get nervous watching him with excitement because I love watching him.

02:24:19.000 It's his face.

02:24:20.000 It's the way he looks.

02:24:21.000 It's his persona. 1.00

02:24:22.000 He's like doing this shit. 1.00

02:24:24.000 He's smiling at him at the beginning of the fight. 1.00

02:24:25.000 He looks evil.

02:24:26.000 He does. 1.00

02:24:27.000 He's got the look of somebody that like, man, this motherfucker's about it. 0.99

02:24:31.000 And he is. 0.99

02:24:31.000 He's tough. 0.99

02:24:32.000 He's a gangster, man.

02:24:33.000 He goes out there and he does his game and You know, he's not a quitter, but...

02:24:37.000 Okay, so he is talking about coming back.

02:24:49.000 So when it says he's injured, does it share what the injury is?

02:24:52.000 It doesn't say specifically.

02:24:52.000 I was just looking to hopefully share that, but it doesn't say specifically.

02:24:55.000 Yeah, I think there's stuff that he's been dealing with.

02:24:59.000 I got this injury and it'll take a while to recover.

02:25:02.000 A long time to recover and whatnot.

02:25:04.000 I'm like, what are you telling them?

02:25:05.000 A smart coach who knows the injury exists, will try to use it against you.

02:25:09.000 So he's not going to tell anybody what the injury is.

02:25:12.000 So far I'm recovering very well and I'm on track.

02:25:14.000 If he's got something that's that big, that's either like knees or back or neck, generally.

02:25:21.000 Generally.

02:25:22.000 Or, you know, could be other joints.

02:25:24.000 But generally, when someone's got a significant injury like that and they need a lot of time off, it could be a back thing.

02:25:31.000 It could be a knee thing.

02:25:33.000 It could be a gastrointestinal thing.

02:25:35.000 Yeah.

02:25:35.000 You never know.

02:25:36.000 I mean, I think that's like, I had a lot of struggles with stomach problems.

02:25:40.000 Did you?

02:25:41.000 Yeah, man.

02:25:41.000 I always felt like I had this crazy acid feeling in my stomach.

02:25:46.000 It said he's aiming to get back in the gym, training hard by the end of February.

02:25:50.000 That doesn't bode well for fans hoping UFC 300 in April.

02:25:54.000 No, I don't think he's going to be at UFC 300, but he might be in the June card when Conor returns.

02:25:59.000 They're going to want to stack that card up.

02:26:03.000 How do you think that goes?

02:26:04.000 Well, I don't like it that it's at 85. Is it actually confirmed at 85?

02:26:08.000 I don't know.

02:26:09.000 I know he said that. 1.00

02:26:10.000 He's drinking wine and talking shit with a Rolex on. 0.99

02:26:13.000 I'm like, who knows? 1.00

02:26:14.000 Who knows?

02:26:14.000 Bro, that man drinks.

02:26:15.000 He does?

02:26:16.000 That man drinks.

02:26:17.000 That man does some stuff.

02:26:19.000 Yeah, he likes to party.

02:26:21.000 See, that's like...

02:26:23.000 And he's also, he's getting older as well.

02:26:25.000 And he's also coming off the sauce, right?

02:26:28.000 So he gets on the sauce, rightly so, to recover from that bone injury.

02:26:32.000 It's a significant injury.

02:26:34.000 You snap your femur and your tibula, rather, and your fibula.

02:26:38.000 You snap those in half and your ankle's dangling.

02:26:40.000 That's a long road back.

02:26:42.000 And it's been two years now, plus.

02:26:45.000 And, you know, if he really is going to fight in June...

02:26:48.000 And he maybe just doesn't want to cut any weight and he walks around at 85. So what I was saying earlier is there's two things I would do.

02:26:54.000 One is every 10 pounds.

02:26:56.000 Two, I would try to figure out a way to stop weight cutting.

02:26:59.000 I would try to figure out a way to get fighters to fight.

02:27:02.000 I think almost killing yourself 24 hours before you fight in the cage is insane.

02:27:08.000 Almost killing yourself by dehydration is insane.

02:27:11.000 I think they should figure out what guys actually weigh when they are low body fat, hydrated, and say, this is your weight class.

02:27:20.000 And this happens because there's not enough weight classes.

02:27:23.000 Right.

02:27:23.000 And don't you think, like, they could, instead of having fights scheduled at 155 and 170 and 185, what about more catchweight fights?

02:27:33.000 What about more guys fighting at what their natural weight is?

02:27:36.000 I don't understand why they don't do catchweight fights, because there's so many, like, interesting matchups.

02:27:41.000 One of them was always the GSP versus...

02:27:44.000 Silva, Anderson Silva.

02:27:47.000 But Silva's losing weight to get to 185. Yeah.

02:27:50.000 And GSP, when he went up to fight 185 when he fought Bisping, he had to put a bunch of weight on.

02:27:55.000 It was a struggle for him.

02:27:57.000 He was eating like six times a day.

02:27:58.000 He got sick.

02:27:59.000 He was throwing up all the time.

02:28:01.000 He's trying to eat so much food just to maintain the mass.

02:28:04.000 I think that...

02:28:06.000 Those fights are exciting, like super fights where guys go up a weight class or down a weight class.

02:28:11.000 But I think the real way to do this is to reshape the sport where you cut what I call sanctioned cheating out.

02:28:21.000 Everybody's doing it.

02:28:22.000 There's nothing wrong with doing it.

02:28:23.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:28:24.000 But the fact that you don't really weigh 185, but you fight at 185 pounds.

02:28:29.000 Like when I interview you and you're 185, I'm like, how?

02:28:33.000 When I interview Drekus.

02:28:34.000 I'm like, how?

02:28:34.000 How are you 185?

02:28:36.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:28:36.000 You're not 185. You're fucking...

02:28:39.000 Pajeda. 1.00

02:28:39.000 Pajeda's fucking huge! 1.00

02:28:42.000 How are you 185? 1.00

02:28:43.000 You're not 185. This is nonsense. 0.99

02:28:45.000 You're really a 225-pound man.

02:28:47.000 That's what you look like.

02:28:48.000 That's what you are.

02:28:49.000 And that's really what the weight you should be fighting at.

02:28:51.000 And I think guys would fight better. 0.95

02:28:53.000 I think they would have less deterioration of their endurance over the course of a five-round fight if they weren't fucking radically dehydrated 24 hours ago. 0.96

02:29:02.000 It's just... 0.93

02:29:03.000 It's avoidable.

02:29:05.000 That's the other part of it, too.

02:29:07.000 Like, people that walk around.

02:29:08.000 Like, let's say I walked around at 85. Well, if I fight at 85, I'm undersized.

02:29:11.000 I'm walking around at 85, and you've got all these fucking people cutting down. 0.98

02:29:15.000 There's only a few guys that ever did that. 0.99

02:29:16.000 I'm not that big.

02:29:17.000 Frankie Edgar's the last guy that did that.

02:29:19.000 Frankie Edgar's the last guy that was a champion that walked around at 155 and fought at 155. He's always undersized.

02:29:26.000 BJ Penn and Gray Maynard and beat all these guys at his natural weight.

02:29:30.000 But that's really not where he should...

02:29:32.000 And he wound up at the end of his career at 135, which is really probably where it should have been all along.

02:29:36.000 Yeah.

02:29:37.000 But, you know, trying to convince guys to do that when there's guys like you that are cutting the weight that are massive for that weight class, it's crazy.

02:29:44.000 You would never do it.

02:29:45.000 You shouldn't do it. 0.99

02:29:46.000 I don't fucking add the weight class. 0.99

02:29:48.000 I'm tired of fucking cutting weight. 0.99

02:29:49.000 I hate cutting. 0.99

02:29:49.000 They should add the weight class. 0.99

02:29:50.000 They should have 185, 195, 205, maybe 215, 225. You should have seen me early in my career.

02:29:58.000 Like I said, I was 174 fighting at 185. I was skinny as fuck. 0.99

02:30:02.000 I've always been skinny. 0.99

02:30:03.000 I'm still kind of skinny.

02:30:04.000 What did you do to put the weight on?

02:30:05.000 So this is where I get to plug my guy, right?

02:30:07.000 So I never had a strength and conditioning coach ever.

02:30:10.000 Ever.

02:30:11.000 And when I got into...

02:30:13.000 So I was sitting at a light one day coming back from Philadelphia practice at Marquez.

02:30:18.000 And at the light, this guy is like, yo!

02:30:21.000 He's like, you're Joe Pfeiffer, right?

02:30:22.000 And I was like, yeah!

02:30:22.000 And he's like, you should come by my gym one day.

02:30:25.000 I was like, nah, probably not. 1.00

02:30:27.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:30:28.000 I don't even know you. 1.00

02:30:31.000 I winded up going, winded up hitting him up like, yo, do you do personal training?

02:30:34.000 He was like, yeah, of course.

02:30:35.000 His name's Adam Ferris.

02:30:36.000 He owns a gym called Pursuit.

02:30:38.000 It's right in Washington Township, right around where I live, right?

02:30:42.000 I worked with them.

02:30:43.000 We didn't do anything crazy, anything hard or anything. 0.95

02:30:45.000 I was skinny as fuck still because I just came off of being, you know, having two surgeries and all that stuff. 0.90

02:30:51.000 I was still on the road back. 0.97

02:30:52.000 And after I won my 50 grand bonus and I won my debut, I was still super skinny.

02:30:58.000 I think DC interviewed me.

02:31:01.000 You interviewed me once and it was Miami.

02:31:03.000 So from that time when I won my debut...

02:31:06.000 I was still skinny.

02:31:07.000 And I didn't have a chance to ever have a power program because I took a fight a month after I won the contract.

02:31:13.000 And then I didn't have a chance to have a weightlifting program because I'd had a comeback fight and then I broke my ankle.

02:31:19.000 So I never got a long enough period to build my body back.

02:31:23.000 And I also didn't have a strength coach.

02:31:25.000 For some reason, I never thought I needed one.

02:31:27.000 I made it to the UFC on the first before I continue.

02:31:30.000 I made it to the Contender Series, hitting pads three days a week with the man that I brought, Sam Morpiza, who had a full-time job, and we would do it at 5 a.m., three days a week.

02:31:41.000 I wrestled with one of my best friends, who literally was only a wrestler, had no MMA experience, and he was like 5'7". 0.98

02:31:49.000 And he was just like a sauced fucking wrestler, and that's it. 0.93

02:31:53.000 I literally, and I sparred with Corey Anderson once a week. 0.99

02:31:57.000 Wow.

02:31:58.000 That's it.

02:31:58.000 That's how I made it.

02:31:59.000 That's how I was making all these fights, and I was knocking everybody out and doing all this. 0.97

02:32:02.000 So now that I have structure, now that I actually have a system with Marquez, I have jiu-jitsu with Jonathan Webb, like, and I beat fucking Gerald Merchardt, the middleweight submission, highest fucking whatever. 0.93

02:32:14.000 Dude got waxed, like, didn't even come close to beating me. 0.56

02:32:19.000 My jiu-jitsu is underrated and my wrestling is underrated.

02:32:22.000 But I think it will come to light with a guy like Jack.

02:32:26.000 So you started the strength and conditioning program?

02:32:27.000 So I started the strength and conditioning program.

02:32:29.000 So what kind of stuff are you doing?

02:32:30.000 Man, I was doing a power program.

02:32:33.000 So I do like a six to eight week power program.

02:32:36.000 Deads, squats, and bench.

02:32:38.000 But bench is... 1.00

02:32:40.000 Kind of bullshit. 1.00

02:32:42.000 I care more about the explosive rep. 0.99

02:32:45.000 That's what we care about because I'm just not putting more than 275 on a bench with my elbow.

02:32:50.000 It's just not worth it.

02:32:52.000 It's not worth the risk.

02:32:53.000 It's not worth the nerve pain.

02:32:54.000 It just doesn't make sense for me. 0.99

02:32:56.000 I'd be deadlifting a fuck and I was squatting a fuck ton. 0.99

02:33:00.000 I always wanted thick legs. 0.99

02:33:01.000 I never had it.

02:33:03.000 And then now I started putting on size and I wanted my back I've always had a real big back like strong back like wide and So yeah, I mean we were doing we were doing a power program and then we would go right into like Explosiveness and jumps and ladder drills and just doing real simple movements, but a lot of functionality like a lot of core twisting a lot of med ball slams a lot of kettlebell stuff and Yeah, that's my coach right there, Adam Ferris.

02:33:29.000 Dude, a hole in the wall. 0.99

02:33:31.000 Small ass gym. 1.00

02:33:32.000 Like, dude, I hate those fucking things so much. 1.00

02:33:36.000 Yeah, those single leg lunges are rough. 1.00

02:33:39.000 Yeah, and then we would just, you know...

02:33:43.000 But my point is, Joe, I gave myself time after I won 50 grand because then I could afford to eat the way I needed to.

02:33:50.000 I was basically...

02:33:51.000 I was going to be evicted from where I was living if I didn't get side money from Dana who gave me a place to live after I won my contract. 0.97

02:33:58.000 And then when I got the 50 grand bonus, I was like, I'm going to fucking eat. 0.89

02:34:01.000 I get to eat good food. 0.98

02:34:03.000 I can buy...

02:34:04.000 Food's expensive.

02:34:05.000 So, yeah, I took the next four or five-ish months to build myself.

02:34:11.000 And then when I came in against Gerald, You hyped me up. 0.99

02:34:14.000 You were like, it's fucking size! 0.99

02:34:15.000 And I was like, dude, my ego. 1.00

02:34:17.000 I was like, yes!

02:34:19.000 Finally!

02:34:19.000 Yeah, you looked awesome.

02:34:20.000 We called fucking skinny my whole life. 0.99

02:34:22.000 Not anymore, brother. 0.99

02:34:23.000 Not anymore.

02:34:24.000 Not at all.

02:34:24.000 And then, obviously, we're doing all that work with something that you've seen, the documentary through all that time.

02:34:31.000 So now it's finally, you know, hopefully we get to release it soon.

02:34:36.000 But...

02:34:38.000 Oh, you do have the trailer.

02:34:39.000 There's the official trailer.

02:34:41.000 We'll play the trailer and end on this.

02:34:44.000 And listen, Joe, I'm a big fan. 0.93

02:34:46.000 I'm fucking pumped for you. 0.84

02:34:47.000 Thank you. 0.97

02:34:48.000 I'm so fortunate to be in the position that I'm in to be able to watch these fights.

02:34:53.000 And one of my favorite things is to watch guys come up.

02:34:56.000 I love it.

02:34:57.000 Thank you, my man.

02:34:58.000 And the Razak Hassan fight was, to me, was like, that's what I like to see.

02:35:03.000 A guy with potential that's just like, oh, now you see it.

02:35:05.000 Like, this guy's world championship potential.

02:35:08.000 It's right there.

02:35:09.000 Exactly.

02:35:09.000 And that's the only thing I'll say, and I'll leave my last.

02:35:12.000 If you look at Jack, and you look at me the way my mind is, Jack's not been able to climb to the top, but he's been against the best, and he's lost to the best.

02:35:21.000 Me, if you look at him where he is now, coming off an injury, 35 years old, do you look at him and say, hey, this guy could hold the belt?

02:35:27.000 No.

02:35:28.000 I think the general public would say no.

02:35:30.000 If you look at me, there's a lot of question marks still.

02:35:32.000 I still have to prove myself against a lot of good guys.

02:35:34.000 I haven't beat anybody that's that good.

02:35:36.000 So I'm really honest with myself, but I'm going to put myself on the map very soon.

02:35:41.000 I believe you.

02:35:42.000 I'm excited.

02:35:43.000 And thank you for having me on here.

02:35:44.000 My pleasure, brother. 0.92

02:35:44.000 This has been fucking, my whole life has been crazy since I got in the UFC. It's awesome. 0.92

02:35:51.000 Enjoy it, my friend.

02:35:52.000 Okay, so when is this documentary coming out?

02:35:54.000 When will people be able to see it?

02:35:56.000 So, our fellow friend Alex Davis, we're working on it.

02:35:59.000 Shout out to Alex.

02:36:00.000 Can't say it yet, but this was actually filmed by Chandler Henry, who is actually a kid that I went to high school with, so now I got him a job and he does this for a living, and this was made by him.

02:36:12.000 So we're hoping really soon, I just can't say yet, because that's Alex's job now.

02:36:15.000 Alright, well Alex will take care of it, I'm sure.

02:36:17.000 So we'll end on this, and this is available online, you can watch it.

02:36:21.000 It's, what is it called, Jamie?

02:36:23.000 Official trailer, Journey to the UFC, Joe Pfeiffer.

02:36:27.000 Go find it.

02:36:28.000 And February, what is the fight with Hermanson?

02:36:32.000 February 10th, main event, Las Vegas.

02:36:34.000 Main event from the Apex, let's go.

02:36:36.000 Alright, thanks Joe.

02:36:38.000 Thank you.

02:36:38.000 My pleasure.

02:36:42.000 I've always believed, ever since I was a kid, that fighting isn't something you do.

02:36:52.000 Fighting is something that chooses you.

02:36:56.000 All my life, I was a throwaway kid.

02:36:58.000 I was always terrified.

02:37:00.000 If I lost, I knew I was getting screamed at or I was gonna get hit.

02:37:03.000 Being slapped, punched, kicked, thrown down, hair ripped.

02:37:07.000 To the point that I ran away from home just shy of 17 years old because I couldn't take it anymore.

02:37:14.000 A lot of different people come from broken homes and they hold so much anger inside and hurt.

02:37:23.000 That makes a person just become kind of like an animal, you know?

02:37:29.000 Joe is just on this tear and then he gets a call from Dana.

02:37:33.000 Dana's like, I want to put you on the Contender Series.

02:37:37.000 This is Joey's shot to get in there, and a career-ending injury just happened right in front of my face.

02:37:46.000 18 years in the game at that point, gone.

02:37:51.000 In Joe's case, this is the sort of injury that could absolutely end a career.

02:38:00.000 This is an unforgiving sport.

02:38:02.000 When you're the man, everybody loves you.

02:38:03.000 But the second you lose, everybody forgets you.

02:38:08.000 I wasn't ready to be forgotten. 1.00

02:38:11.000 The pain that I know that kid went through and overcame in his life, if you wanna beat him, you gotta kill him. 0.98

02:38:19.000 Joe didn't really find out that he didn't have a place to live. 0.98

02:38:23.000 And he's like, what do I do?

02:38:25.000 And I was like, you go to Vegas and you fight.

02:38:28.000 Joe Piper makes his UFC debut after his week one performance on the Contender Series.

02:38:47.000 Eight of his nine wins are by finish, and six of those are by knockout.

02:38:50.000 This fight should be in absolute war.

02:38:53.000 I've been scared for my life for the first time ever in any fight.

02:38:57.000 Finally got a bill in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

02:38:59.000 Here is Joe Piper!

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 31, 2011

JRE MMA Show #153 with Joe Pyfer

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