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00:02:38.000People go through phases of their career, and with some fighters, if a fighter gets a loss or two, they start to think that that fighter has started to decline.
00:03:48.000A lot of guys just think I'm old because I've been fighting since I was 20. And it's not like I've been fighting 20. I've been fighting since I was 20 and I fought a who's who in my division.
00:03:59.000You've been fighting the best in the world since you were 20 years old.
00:04:54.000You know, a lot of people was giving me a shit when...
00:04:57.000Because Islam talked about our fight, about me and Justin saying it was a useless fight or whatever, and I'm like...
00:05:02.000Bro, like, if you took the fight in February when, like, you should have because you came out clean, I think so, Justin would have fought you, you know?
00:05:10.000But, like, how the hell is someone that you just knocked, like, that was a scary knockout, brother.
00:05:15.000Like, that was a scary knockout, ass knockout.
00:05:17.000And that guy turning around in a couple months, like, bro, you're not even supposed to get hit for that long.
00:07:11.000Information now about the brain and how you can help yourself and how you can mentally and physically help yourself get better and help the brain out.
00:09:34.000What's funny, I never saw the fight, but then when people was, when he was talking about fighting and we was fighting and saying, and he was, he said something about dropping me or KOing me, and then I see the comments of him getting, that hit, that left thigh kick getting dropped.
00:09:49.000I didn't see the fight, but I saw that part happen.
00:09:51.000It was an amazing comeback because he knocked him out in the second round, but man, he could take a shot because he got hit so clean with a switch kick off the left side, right chin to the chin, just perfect.
00:10:11.000I mean, that is just shin to the chin.
00:10:14.000That is just a perfect Jai Herbert head kick.
00:10:17.000But he grabbed ahold of him, and he managed to maintain his composure, got him to the ground, survives the round, and actually was winning the rest of the round.
00:11:09.000You got damage, no matter your spirit, you still have something, your brain, your muscles are still hurting, so it's going to only protect itself when you feel something.
00:11:19.000When there's a warning sign going off, like, oh man, warning, did it shut off?
00:11:22.000Because it's like, look, I'm going to save me from myself.
00:13:04.000Like, I don't pay too much mind to it in the fight.
00:13:07.000I can feel when he hits it and it's like, oh, I'm telling myself that's going to hurt later.
00:13:12.000But you got 25 minutes, you know, we got to stay in here, you know, and What's interesting is it doesn't seem to compromise your movement that much.
00:13:22.000Like some people get calf kicked once real hard and it swells up and you see immediately they're walking fucked up and they're trying to switch southpaw.
00:16:28.000How crazy was it when he went for the handstand kick?
00:16:31.000Imagine he landed that kick on Stuff's face when Stuff went for the handstand and then he just went for a regular leg kick and almost kicked him in the head.
00:18:48.000Except Makhachev, there's like everybody of your era, you fought.
00:18:53.000Yeah, well, the Makhachev fight is not too far off, so, you know, never say never.
00:18:58.000I got a couple more years in me for sure.
00:19:00.000What do you think, like, if you had to plan it out, okay, so here we got Poirier and Makhachev are fighting, they're fighting next, and that's gonna be, what is that, New Jersey?
00:22:55.000At the end of the day, the belt is cool, and I always tell everybody, the belt is cool, but you guys got to understand what brings with the belt, what the emotions it brings, and what kind of fight it brings to a card.
00:23:08.000Our fight, a lot of people were saying could have been the main event of 300, you know what I mean?
00:25:24.000And then for you to stand, winning four rounds to one, in the middle of the octagon, point at the ground with ten seconds left, and then to knock him out with one second left?
00:27:38.000And then he does, and he goes, right after the 20 seconds mark, underneath, a couple seconds after, he does his Rolling Thunder.
00:27:45.000And then it pushed me to the point to perfectly circle out, and that's when I said, I did the, like, oh, come here, you know, let's go here, let's throw it, because that was just, everybody's losing their mind, but to me, this is normal, you know?
00:27:57.000This is the second time I did it, you know?
00:27:59.000Of course, the second time I'm doing it, I heard you guys say, the first time I was with Ricardo, but this ain't no Justin Gaethje, you know?
00:30:42.000In a fight like that, especially if they put together a banger of a card, because you know they're doing the sphere, which is going to be wild.
00:31:26.000I remember as soon as the fight happened, you know, a couple minutes after, my agent Tim Simpson came in and he told me, hey, he was like, brother, they just put your knockout on top of Instagram and YouTube and everything.
00:33:31.000And there's so many options in your area, too, right?
00:33:34.000Like, Sugar has been talking about fighting Teporia at 45. Well, if Sugar's willing to fight Teporia at 45, he's willing to fight Max at 45. Right?
00:33:53.000If I could have it my way, I'd be stupid to not say to fight Conor.
00:33:58.000You know, I think that Conor fight would be huge or whatever, but we don't know what he's going to do.
00:34:02.000So, like, if that's out, in a perfect world to me, it would be fight Ilya, 45 title, get my hand raised, and whoever's the next guy up at 55, fight them, try and go for double champ status, whatever it is.
00:34:15.000Or even cheap belts, you know, like 45, the BMF, and then put the BMF and the 55 against whoever at 55, and that'd be...
00:36:19.000If you go look at it, a lot of people are looking at stats.
00:36:21.000Reminds me his fight about how much he throws in strikes and how much I throw in strikes, how much he gets hit, which was less than how much I get hit.
00:36:30.000And I was like, brother, that cannot be right.
00:38:21.000So you only had four weeks, and there's no way you could put on that amount of muscle in four weeks.
00:38:26.000Or anything, you know, and I was like, uh, and I didn't, uh, I didn't have my beautiful wife at the time, so, you know, Emile's was crazy before.
00:38:37.000Now she cooks me, now she keeps me clean, so it is what it is, you know.
00:38:40.000I hate using excuses because, you know, Dustin, I came out there and fought hard, and we fought hard, and I ain't taking nothing away from Dustin, so whatever I did was on me, and, you know, if that fight, if we get a third one, then I think it would be a pretty fun one.
00:41:38.000It's like tea tree oil, eucalyptus oil, and he has all kinds of products.
00:41:43.000Everything from stuff to clean, like wipes.
00:41:46.000If you can't get to a shower quick enough, if you're training in a place that's kind of dingy and doesn't have a shower, they have wipes until you get home.
00:41:56.000That's the most crazy thing, bro, right?
00:41:58.000When people, like, I see people, like, we train, and then we have a shower at the gym, and some of them just, like, change their clothes and, like, I gotta go.
00:46:01.000You know, it's not like, oh my god, he's gonna be strong.
00:46:04.000So, I felt like, I know how to fight to my strengths, I guess.
00:46:08.000Like, yeah, he might be physically stronger than me, but I know certain techniques or certain ways to put my body that I can get away with how strong I am and not make him feel as strong as he is, you know?
00:46:20.000I keep telling a lot of these MMA guys or just people coming up, or even our amateur fighters that's coming up, I just keep telling them, like, brother, there's no difference between me and you.
00:47:07.000It is what it is, and you keep moving, and you're on the path.
00:47:10.000But for some people, losses are devastating because their whole identity is based on success.
00:47:16.000And if they don't get success, then they feel like they're a loser.
00:47:18.000But even with that, the whole identity thing, that's what it is.
00:47:21.000Like, even when, like, you see guys retiring from other sports or our sport, like, they have that identity crisis because they're so known for one thing.
00:47:29.000And that's why I tell them, like, that's why I love doing other stuff.
00:48:53.000Yeah, he's the man, and he was just telling me, It's so funny because every time I tell everybody fighting is easy, a lot of people look at me crazy.
00:48:59.000They're like, what do you mean it's easy?
00:49:00.000I was like, bro, anything you do in life is easy.
00:49:54.000You can apply that to anything in life.
00:49:56.000So a guy like you that's a champion in MMA, you can do anything, man.
00:50:00.000All you need is just, like, whatever that thing is, focus on that thing, and if you put the same kind of attention on that thing that you put on your MMA career...
00:51:36.000I was like, bro, I'd get my timing from it being a distance first, and then we'd be like, live it closer and be like, bro, all we got to focus on is bringing our knee up and then pushing it out at the last second.
00:51:47.000The main thing was just bringing your knee up and snapping your head around.
00:51:50.000Snap your head around first, see where you're going to land so you don't kick each other in the freaking groin area because it happened a couple times to me and him.
00:51:58.000But yeah, it was like bringing you up high, look, and then push it.
00:52:02.000Do you ever practice where you stand right next to the bag?
00:54:08.000And then after the corner fight is when Ivan Flores joined my camp, so...
00:54:12.000And then with him, bro, Ivan is a genius.
00:54:15.000He loves the basic stuff, but then when I try to tell him or show him fancy stuff or I see Muay Thai doing shit like sweep the leg and elbow and stuff or whatever, it's crazy.
00:54:27.000Even this fight week, bro, if you watch the fight, a bunch of times I'm doing this right kick.
00:54:33.000I do this right kick, and then I just step over on my right hand against Gaethje.
00:55:17.000You really do have an amazing, amazing group of people.
00:55:19.000But you also, it's the argument that a lot of guys have been making that a smaller camp...
00:55:25.000Is maybe better for some athletes because there's a lot of guys who want to go to like ATT but you know the guy like I talked to Jim Miller about this and he said that he really started improving much more when he concentrated on himself and had a smaller camp and he stopped teaching and at the end of the day these big camps you know like even even in Vegas bro like I hear everybody going to Vegas and training We're good to go.
00:56:08.000We're both in the UFC. We're fighting for freaking a lot of money.
00:56:12.000Like, you better sign that damn contract.
01:00:05.000Everybody keeps talking about, like, even that, like, everybody keeps talking about, like, oh, he's only 125. I was like, I've got the walkouts.
01:03:00.000It's like there's so many fights that got lost.
01:03:02.000The fight, your fight, especially that knockout, was so crazy that people forgot that you fucked Justin up the first part of the fifth round.
01:03:09.000Like, I kind of forgot about it until I watched it again.
01:03:20.000I called my dad, you know, and you're going to love this one.
01:03:24.000But then I went like this, and when I was flooring him, in every round, every time I hurt him, I'd come in, I'd do a little bit, and if it didn't put him down or hurt him more, I just backed off.
01:03:33.000Because everybody's like, why is he not attacking?
01:04:43.000He like kicks him in the hip and Herb Dean comes in to stop it and then Pejera does the super gangster thing.
01:04:52.000But in the meantime Jamal has stopped and relaxed after he threw the kick.
01:04:57.000He gives him a thumbs up like you cool and then Pejera advances and And then Herb is to the left, so it's like he can't even move too much to the left, and all of a sudden he's on him and he hits him with that left hook.
01:05:11.000And I think Jamal's saying, I would have never let him that close to me if it wasn't for that nut shot, and I didn't know exactly what was going on.
01:06:34.000He hits a dude with a high kick, the guy blocks it, he steps, the guy stabs, whack!
01:06:39.000He just cleanly, you know, he's got that long frame, he's so long, and there's all this torque, and he just torques his whole body and whips across.
01:06:49.000It sounds like a baseball bat hitting a watermelon.
01:10:39.000It's not a perfect point because they had engaged again, but Pajeda had closed that gap to a point where Jamal was not letting him do that early.
01:10:49.000But then again, playing devil advocate, nothing but love for Jamal, but fuck, bro, you need to be locked in there.
01:11:24.000So it's like, you need to, like, anybody, fighters, amateur level, pro level, the best fighters in the world, whatever it is, don't put it in these guys' hands, man.
01:11:36.000I mean, it's easier said than done, but don't leave it, you know?
01:11:55.000Like, all we're going to do is we're going to have this kind of talks and arguments, and he's going to have arguments and stuff, and nothing's going to get changed.
01:12:02.000But here's the question, like, what is the protocol?
01:12:04.000When a referee steps in and says, stop, because there's a low...
01:12:09.000Even with him telling them stop, the protocol should have been like, okay...
01:12:39.000There's definitely an argument that if you're going to do that, and you're going to stop the fight momentarily, even if you're going to restart it, you have to understand that the momentum has stopped.
01:12:51.000And if one guy does this, and hops in during that time, you kind of...
01:12:56.000Have to step and separate them and then engage.
01:13:00.000So he does, the engage, he goes off to the side.
01:13:03.000But now the argument against that that I've heard is that this happens all the times where fighters get kicked and the referee says, hold on, the fighter says, I'm fine, and then they let him keep going.
01:13:12.000So, maybe that's a good argument, too, that Jamal should have been more prepared.
01:13:19.000But it seems like he had actually told them to stop, and that's when Jamal did this.
01:13:33.000Like when the referee says stop, are the fighters allowed to say no, I'm fine, or are they supposed to address the referee and say I'm fine?
01:16:11.000Nothing to Jamal or whatever, but what is crazy is that when I see comments or I see people talking about our fight, And guys are bringing up like, oh yeah, just imagine if Justin didn't break his nose.
01:16:25.000It would have been a whole different fight.
01:16:26.000I'm like, well, thank the Lord I landed my spitting back kick because his nose was broken.
01:18:26.000To hit him with that overhand is like me hitting him with the slingshot.
01:18:31.000And The Rock at the perfect place, perfect time.
01:18:35.000Bro, this is UFC 300. An event getting put together, this is not going to top nothing until 400. And we don't even know if 400 is going to top it.
01:19:04.000Yeah, brother, when he saw the video, he's calling out.
01:19:06.000You know how much people on top of that video, too, also did videos of me talking about how I was, like, undergun and pillow all the way, pillow hands all the way, he's gonna get killed.
01:21:19.000Like, Roy Jones Jr. in his prime barely threw jabs, which is so crazy that a guy would be so fast that he could hit you with a leaping left hook.
01:21:27.000Yeah, because his jab was a leaping left hook.
01:26:40.000That's another one, but the consequences are different than yours.
01:26:43.000Yours is different, and it's the fact that you decided to stand in the cage in the center in the last 10 seconds and that you had planned that out.
01:26:50.000Did your corner know you were planning that out?
01:29:54.000I mean, it was very Thai style adapted to MMA, but we were just like, my God, he's looked so much better than we've seen him before.
01:30:05.000There was something about, like, he made this decision after that Johnny Walker fight and then started going to Thailand and just kicked his game up several notches.
01:30:15.000And now, you know, he gets this opportunity for a guy like Khalil to fight a guy who also just got KO'd Right?
01:31:21.000And, you know, Khalil's had moments in his career where he was, like, not totally focused.
01:31:25.000And then he's had moments where he's really focused and you see it like in his endurance in the fight like this fights that he's lost where just like he wasn't really there but then you see him when he's really focused like it's like you got to pay attention to what he's capable of like you could look at a fighter sometimes and you could look at bad fight like some like a good example is Charles Oliveira if you go and watch Charles Oliveira some of his earlier fights it looks like he kind of like folded yeah and then something happened after the birth of his daughter where Charles Oliveira becomes this fucking assassin And
01:34:06.000If you can knee someone to the head in a clinch, if you could scissor-knee someone like Pajeda did with Michelitis, if you could do that kind of shit, why can't you knee a guy to the head on the ground?
01:34:57.000If you're in a turtle and a guy's like Mark Coleman in Pride can just drop those knees on your head.
01:35:02.000Remember they let him do that in Pride?
01:35:03.000So when guys turtle in the UFC, you cannot knee them in the head.
01:35:06.000Which is a perfect time to knee them in the head.
01:35:09.000But then even that, because when they do turtle, right?
01:35:11.000So say I'm fighting someone and I see someone turtle.
01:35:14.000It's like half a second of them resting because I'm thinking like, shit, now I got to be smart of where I'm picking this and what I'm doing.
01:35:23.000But if I can soccer kick you because you're doing that, it's so easy to like, boom, boom, see you down there, I kick you right in your head.
01:36:08.000If they're not stopping the fight, that means you can move.
01:36:10.000Even with what you said, you pulling at the elbow, the 12-6 elbow, I'm like, brother, I never know why they took it out, right?
01:36:21.000And then you said, I think in one of the interviews a long time ago, you said they took it out because they saw a guy break ice with that, doing that, right?
01:36:28.000Yeah, break bricks on ESPN at 12 in the morning.
01:36:45.000It was just the people at the athletic commissions back in the time.
01:36:48.000Well, you know, Big John had this unenviable role where he had to go to these places and explain to them that there's rules involved in MMA. And then you get morons like, what about this?
01:36:59.000I saw someone do that and break a break.
01:39:25.000A lot of guys don't like it because they think you're losing the fight, but, like, ah.
01:39:29.000It is what it is, but no cage would be smart, though, because what you said, I see what you're saying, but so much guys is going to get you to a point and they're going to shoot so low, like the Islams and the Khabibs, that kind of fighting stuff, they're going to shoot so low because you don't have a cage,
01:39:45.000and it's going to keep driving you to Forever land, you know, until you get hit and then you gotta restart or whatever.
01:39:50.000Maybe, but it might stop a lot of takedowns because it's gonna have a much more realistic scenario.
01:39:57.000Instead of being able to charge up to a guy against a cage, get your hands up against his butt, lift him and take him down where he can't He can't go anywhere.
01:40:12.000And if you've got a guy who's going to keep moving and push you away and keep moving and then circle out, now you've got to take him down again, it could change the whole dynamic of fighting.
01:40:48.000I think, say if a guy takes you down and he's got you mounted and it's the end of the first round, I feel like you start mounted in the second round.
01:42:04.000If you are outboxing a guy and there's no teachers around and then all of a sudden he takes you down and he starts beating your ass and you can't get up and then the teachers come and pull him off, everybody's going to think that guy won the fight.
01:43:28.000And if you have limited techniques, like you can't use a knee to a downed opponent, you can't do this to a downed opponent, that fucks things up.
01:43:35.000And then if you have the cage where the guy can use the cage, That fucks things up, because a guy can use the cage to take guys down, they can use the cage to stand back up, so the cage becomes a factor.
01:43:44.000And then you have the fact that every round starts standing up.
01:43:48.000So if you busted your ass to take this guy down, you took damage to get a hold of this guy, you take him down the first round, you have 10 seconds to go in the first round, you mount him, you're on top of him, the horn blows.
01:44:36.000I mean, they already kind of do that, right?
01:44:40.000Like when you're against a cage or something or something happened and they break you, they put you right back into that situation.
01:44:46.000So why would I... Fuck, it sucks for strikers.
01:44:50.000You know, strikers worldwide, I'm sorry, but if this is the way to prove that you're the baddest man alive, sign me up for it, brother, because I'm here for it.
01:44:58.000If you take my ass down and I use a bell to get a SPAC to stand up, that's kind of lame, bro.
01:45:47.000I think with the weight cutting it would be fun without no weight cutting but then we see guys like other promotions and people are missing the hydration test anyway.
01:45:56.000So like people are still trying to do it.
01:49:08.000I think Hamzat, they pulled him, I don't know what he was when they pulled him, then he started drinking water, and then he weighted 178, I believe.
01:50:15.000If you can hit this guy and continue to hit him, it's going to be a fun fight.
01:50:19.000And Kamaru Usman fight, because Kamaru was winning the third round.
01:50:24.000And he had 10 days to get ready for that fight.
01:50:27.000And when I tell everybody, like against Akazmat, you know, like with Akazmat, with the wrestling, it's like, if you go pull up his fight, brother, if you go watch the Akazmat fight against Usman, The only time he takes down Usman is when Usman wrestles him back.
01:50:42.000When Usman is like anti-wrestling, fighting his wrist, not letting him connect his hands, no takedowns.
01:50:47.000But as soon as Usman was like, okay, I'm just going to wrestle back, and he starts to grab the stomach and stuff, you get taken down, you get picked down.
01:51:44.000People keep forgetting about that because they don't give a shit.
01:51:46.000Well, they forget about that also because if you go back before that second fight with Islam, Volk is considered to be the number one pound-for-pound guy in the world.
01:51:53.000Yeah, and many believe that they thought he won the fight.
01:56:37.000He fought Voke at a perfect time, but like...
01:56:40.000If somebody can look me in the eyes and be like, bro, that was the same Volk that's been doing this thing at 45, I will call you a deadass liar, brother.
01:56:50.000I'll be like, you're a serial killer because you're a psychopath if you think that's the same man.
01:57:33.000But then, sometimes you're your own enemy.
01:57:37.000He probably wanted that race in his mind, thinking that, I'm going to come back here, I'm going to do this, and this is just going to be forgotten.
01:57:45.000Take out this young buck, dominate my division, I'm still a GOAT. But it just happens.
01:57:51.000Because what if he goes out there and he did get it done?
01:58:06.000Bro, like, six months at least no contact.
01:58:09.000It's chill, but, like, this guy, like, you probably got a good frickin' nice payday for that second Islam fight, even the first Islam fight, you know?
01:58:15.000So, you know, you do favors for UFC. They take care of you, you know?
01:58:20.000At the end of the day, I've been with this company for a real long time, so I know this stuff, so it's like...
01:58:26.000I feel like, selfishly, he should have just rested, bro.
01:58:29.000I feel like you have to protect the champion from your own instincts.
02:01:52.000That's like whenever you see me lose or you see me win, bro, I give nothing but respect to the next guy because I don't know what they've been going through.
02:02:00.000What kind of obstacles they had to do?
02:02:02.000Because I know the obstacles I had to.
02:02:03.000I'm not going to say shit, but if you want to say stuff, like, even Justin, like, Justin, he's saying, bro, he's finally doing, uh, uh, he's doing all kind of media now, and, bro, he's just saying, Max, a dog, you know?
02:02:48.000But if DC, you try to make 45, I'm going to kill you, brother.
02:02:52.000But right now it's a fair fight because you're so heavy.
02:02:54.000He would have to chop both his legs off, but he still wouldn't make 45. Brother, he would have to do so much, but he looked like Mr. Potato Head.
02:03:00.000Can you pull your body apart like Mr. Potato Head?
02:03:02.000I think DC could have made 85. I think he could've.
02:03:55.000When they make their pots, their crab boils and stuff, bro.
02:03:59.000It's going to be interesting, though, to see someone at 85 that's that caliber of wrestler.
02:04:04.000So if someone who's of a DC caliber of wrestling does rise up through the Olympic ranks and then gets into the 185-pound division, It has the same kind of punching power.
02:05:50.000Bro, when Yan Xiaonan decided not to tap and went out and then woke up at the end of the first round, like when the bell rang, and Zhang Weili lets go over, and she's like, what is happening?
02:06:00.000And she goes right back to her corner and they're like, is that legal?
02:10:56.000Again, I was like, bro, you owe me an and new, so I never ever got the and new.
02:10:59.000I gave Bruce a hard time about it, and then I got my and new now, but I was tripping out when I was going there, and I was in there waiting.
02:11:06.000I was like, what the fuck is Bruce taking so long?
02:14:21.000Because when I fought him, I think that was the best Yair that anybody ever saw when we fought in the Apex.
02:14:27.000So there's fighters that I feel like when you go in front of a crowd, they're not fighting to a full capacity.
02:14:34.000And there's some fighters when you fight Apex where it's like in the gym, they're just going to shine.
02:14:40.000Yair is like when we fought there and I hit him with a couple of shots.
02:14:43.000And before, you'd see him get hit a couple of shots in different fights and kind of like weather away and be like, oh yeah, whatever.
02:14:49.000And like, The fight just, you know, kind of like get in there and then almost like gets finished because of the fight's not going his way or whatever, right?
02:14:56.000And I was hitting him with seven shots and I was just thinking in there like, bro, just quit, bro.
02:18:32.000So you have that feeling in you of fighting.
02:18:35.000To say that you didn't fight your cousin or even your friend, even if it was a little slap fight or whatever and you guys hugged it out after, you fought somebody.
02:19:18.000You know, like guys calling out Demetrius and then calling out Marimos and then they show that Marimos like rolled up that guy in his jiu-jitsu tournament.
02:19:28.000And even when we talk about this fake, like, it's like, oh, in a street fight, when everybody's like, in a street fight, like, I'm whatever, 300 pounds, bro, in a street fight, I'll kick you right in the dick.
02:19:39.000The first thing I'm doing, I'm going to kick you right in the baby maker.
02:20:50.000Well, there's so many different kinds of mindsets that allow someone to get into fighting, but when they get to a championship level, what I try to explain to people, do you understand the kind of human being that's capable of fighting the most skillful fighters in the world and rising above them all?
02:21:52.000And then they asked him, oh, he was like, if I told you you had to fight one of these guys, you had to fight any one of these guys to leave the gym, who would you fight?
02:22:05.000He's like, oh, you chose wrong because that guy would kill you.
02:22:08.000He's like, all these other guys, you might have a chance because they might take you down, hold you down, maybe ground upon you, but that guy is going to just straight kill you in any way you can find.
02:22:15.000So, yeah, looks can be deceiving, brother.
02:22:18.000Like I said, I love harassing DC, but that guy looked like a bag of potatoes, brother.
02:22:25.000And he was a double champ and number one pound for pound in the world, brother.
02:25:32.000And then to get that finish, like a lot of people are saying it's the movie-type finish against Justin Gaethje, a guy who's supposed to, you said it best, outgun me.
02:27:08.000So that spinning back kick, brother, it's just...
02:27:10.000Like I said, the video game, watching you bend the bag, brother, if you could put up that clip, bro, you was bending that bag and I was like...
02:30:44.000That guy, he was like a legit world champion at one point, so he knows the training that he has to be done.
02:30:50.000Before, I was like, yeah, whatever, but when you see Paul dedicate himself and how he's training, getting ready for these guys, he's a businessman too, don't get me wrong, but he's training, bro.
02:31:00.000He's not freaking cutting no corners, bro.
02:31:03.000He got the right guys, he got the right team, training, conditioning, probably eating right, eating good.
02:36:14.000And I love playing games because at the end of the day, a lot of these guys that...
02:36:19.000They identify themselves with their sport, and when they retire, they don't have nothing, so they come back anyway because they kind of lose themselves.
02:36:26.000They feel like, oh, this is my identity, so I'm trying to build this stuff so I have another venture, so as soon as we go, I can try and attack this.
02:36:33.000I would love to stream when I'm older, you know, even freaking...
02:37:04.000As long as I can compete at an elite level, I don't want to be this guy that's just hanging on and everybody's like, oh man, it would sadden me the day that I'm fucking walking out to a fight and Joe Rogan would be like, yeah, Max did this, this, and this, but he's a little bit older now, I'd be fucking...