The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #155 with Max Holloway

00:00:12.000 Have you ever had to deal with jet lag for a fight?

00:00:15.000 No, not really.

00:00:16.000 I mean, we try to go up like early, that's why.

00:00:19.000 So the first two days is whatever, but after that we're all good.

00:00:22.000 Where's the furthest that you had to fly to to fight?

00:00:25.000 I think so, Abu Dhabi, Fight Island.

00:00:27.000 So how long does that take to adjust?

00:00:30.000 Brother, that one was weird because then you remember they had us fighting at weird times?

00:00:35.000 So we had to sleep during the day and then train during the night.

00:00:41.000 I remember going to sleep around 8 or 9 o'clock a.m.

00:00:44.000 Whoa.

00:00:45.000 Yeah, because we was fighting around that time, early in the morning.

00:00:49.000 So that was insane.

00:00:50.000 So you had to get your body acclimated to that?

00:00:52.000 Acclimated, yep.

00:00:53.000 Whew.

00:00:54.000 That's got to play a factor, right?

00:00:56.000 Like if you live in Abu Dhabi, that would be a big advantage.

00:00:58.000 Oh, for sure.

00:00:59.000 For sure.

00:00:59.000 I mean, did you not just see the July card that got announced in UK? 3 a.m., brother.

00:01:06.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:01:07.000 Is the main card start.

00:01:09.000 So they're saying whoever's main headline is fighting at 6 a.m.?

00:01:13.000 That's crazy.

00:01:14.000 That's insane.

00:01:15.000 You know how drunk that audience is going to be.

00:01:17.000 You know what is funny?

00:01:21.000 I saw a clip, a meme of a video of a UK fan living in the UK. He watched our fight.

00:01:29.000 Our fight just got done.

00:01:30.000 Mine's in Justin.

00:01:31.000 He played our clip.

00:01:31.000 And then he was like, great.

00:01:33.000 Now I can start my morning.

00:01:34.000 He opened the door.

00:01:35.000 It's light out and stuff. 0.99

00:01:37.000 I'm like, holy shit. 0.98

00:01:38.000 Yeah, they have to deal with different... 0.99

00:01:40.000 I mean, it's funny.

00:01:41.000 The American pay-per-view time schedule just trumps everything.

00:01:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:45.000 I mean, crazy.

00:01:47.000 I guess we're the ones who buy it the most.

00:01:49.000 I wonder what the numbers are in the rest of the world.

00:01:53.000 I think U.K. is another hot spot, right?

00:01:56.000 And U.K. is big.

00:01:57.000 I mean, there are some fight fans to be doing that every, you know, once a month.

00:02:03.000 They're planning, there's a pay-per-view card and they're like, look, honey, 3 a.m.

00:02:09.000 I'm probably going to be screaming, so please don't, you know, don't divorce me.

00:02:12.000 So, it's pretty awesome.

00:02:14.000 Yeah, you just got to get one tolerant wife and have everybody go over to that house. 1.00

00:02:18.000 Yeah, I'd be like, hey guys.

00:02:19.000 Or you get the single friend.

00:02:21.000 You know, one of the guys, he's just single.

00:02:24.000 You don't have nothing going on.

00:02:25.000 He's like, yeah, you come to my house.

00:02:27.000 Yeah, that's perfect.

00:02:28.000 So what has it been like for you after 300?

00:02:32.000 I mean, it seems like...

00:02:34.000 I think for whatever reason...

00:02:38.000 People go through phases of their career, and with some fighters, if a fighter gets a loss or two, they start to think that that fighter has started to decline.

00:02:50.000 Uh-huh, uh-huh.

00:02:51.000 And with you, I think some people had written you off for some strange reason.

00:02:57.000 Brother.

00:02:58.000 Oh, brother.

00:02:58.000 I don't get it.

00:02:59.000 I heard the noise.

00:03:00.000 I heard it.

00:03:01.000 I heard the noise.

00:03:02.000 I'm like, listen, he's only 32. Right?

00:03:04.000 32, right?

00:03:04.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:03:05.000 He's only 32. That's...

00:03:06.000 Athletic prime.

00:03:08.000 I'm like, there's no beatings.

00:03:10.000 There's no knockouts. 1.00

00:03:11.000 There's no decline in the expression of skills inside the octagon.

00:03:17.000 Everything looks the same and better every fight.

00:03:20.000 You know what the problem is?

00:03:21.000 The problem is that these guys got to see me grow up.

00:03:24.000 I got in the UFC when I was 20. 20 years old.

00:03:27.000 And a lot of people think I'm DC's old ass. 0.99

00:03:30.000 Like 42 years old or something, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:03:32.000 And then I'm like, brother, I'm not DC. I've been calling out DC, but I'm a young guy, you know?

00:03:36.000 Just because I've been harassing his potato-looking butt. 0.99

00:03:40.000 Like, come on. 1.00

00:03:41.000 His bag of potato-looking ass? 1.00

00:03:43.000 You two together are hilarious. 1.00

00:03:44.000 Brother, I love that guy.

00:03:45.000 I love that guy.

00:03:46.000 Everybody loves that guy.

00:03:47.000 He's the best.

00:03:48.000 A lot of guys just think I'm old because I've been fighting since I was 20. And it's not like I've been fighting 20. I've been fighting since I was 20 and I fought a who's who in my division.

00:03:59.000 You've been fighting the best in the world since you were 20 years old.

00:04:03.000 Just past teenager.

00:04:04.000 Yeah, especially with the Vogue fights.

00:04:07.000 It's like...

00:04:09.000 The first two fights was alright, and the third fight is what made everybody go, oh, he's done for.

00:04:14.000 I'm like, brother, that was just Vogue's night.

00:04:16.000 He was on.

00:04:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:17.000 It is what it is.

00:04:19.000 Everybody's like, oh, yeah, look.

00:04:20.000 Look at Max.

00:04:22.000 Vogue just did this, and now they're doing MMA math because Ilya did that to Vogue.

00:04:27.000 Even with Ilya doing MMA math, I beat a guy that beat you.

00:04:30.000 I'm like, brother, this is not how it works.

00:04:31.000 I lost to Dustin.

00:04:32.000 Dustin just got knocked out from Justin.

00:04:35.000 And now what?

00:04:35.000 Now can I say I beat Dustin now?

00:04:37.000 No.

00:04:37.000 Right.

00:04:38.000 It doesn't work that way.

00:04:38.000 Yeah, you know, styles make fights.

00:04:40.000 It's also, like, what happens in camp?

00:04:42.000 What kind of condition are you coming into the fight in?

00:04:44.000 Are you fighting injured?

00:04:46.000 How did...

00:04:47.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:47.000 Did you just fight Islam Makachev and get head kicked?

00:04:50.000 I mean, that's a big factor, man. 0.98

00:04:52.000 Brother, that was crazy. 0.99

00:04:54.000 You know, a lot of people was giving me a shit when... 0.99

00:04:57.000 Because Islam talked about our fight, about me and Justin saying it was a useless fight or whatever, and I'm like... 0.99

00:05:02.000 Bro, like, if you took the fight in February when, like, you should have because you came out clean, I think so, Justin would have fought you, you know?

00:05:10.000 But, like, how the hell is someone that you just knocked, like, that was a scary knockout, brother. 0.99

00:05:15.000 Like, that was a scary knockout, ass knockout. 0.99

00:05:17.000 And that guy turning around in a couple months, like, bro, you're not even supposed to get hit for that long. 0.99

00:05:21.000 Right.

00:05:21.000 And then now you're doing a camp.

00:05:23.000 Even if you're...

00:05:23.000 Okay, say you do a camp.

00:05:24.000 You don't support our camp, right?

00:05:25.000 But then you're still training hard or whatever.

00:05:27.000 And like, maybe you just accidentally fall over, bump your head on something, you know?

00:05:31.000 Or like, you're scratching your head, you know?

00:05:33.000 Or you're screaming or something because you're stressing out, you know?

00:05:36.000 I'm like, I don't know what could happen, but...

00:05:38.000 You got it.

00:05:39.000 You have to have a long time.

00:05:40.000 Yeah, chill it.

00:05:41.000 I mean, look at Justin.

00:05:42.000 I just saw Justin finally doing interviews after this fight, and he just said, like, I'm not doing nothing for six months.

00:05:48.000 Like, nothing.

00:05:48.000 And I'm like, bro, that's smart, you know?

00:05:50.000 When Marquez knocked out Manny Pacquiao, Freddie Roach made him wait a year.

00:05:53.000 One year?

00:05:54.000 One year.

00:05:54.000 That's crazy.

00:05:55.000 So you got to really heal up.

00:05:57.000 That was a bad knockout.

00:05:58.000 Bro, you only got...

00:06:00.000 I remember it was you that talked about it, that talked about our brain.

00:06:04.000 This is like a long time ago. 0.99

00:06:05.000 When you're talking about the cotton candy thing in your brain and how once that disappears, that shit don't grow back, right? 1.00

00:06:14.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:06:14.000 And I remember watching that. 1.00

00:06:15.000 That was a long time ago.

00:06:16.000 I don't even know how many years that was ago.

00:06:18.000 And that really meant a lot.

00:06:21.000 And everybody keep telling me, like, oh, Max, you get hit so much and blah, blah, blah, this and that.

00:06:24.000 I'm like, yeah, okay.

00:06:25.000 In the fight, you might see me get hit, but I'm not sparring.

00:06:29.000 You know, like, I'm not sparring.

00:06:30.000 I'm being sparring.

00:06:31.000 This Justin Gaethje one, brother, I'm just going to the gates of hell.

00:06:34.000 We have to bring back sparring.

00:06:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:36.000 I was ready to be a crash dummy again.

00:06:39.000 I told my coaches, look, this is a man that is very dangerous.

00:06:43.000 We need to get into the thick of it and get it done.

00:06:47.000 So we bring back sparring for this one, but it still wasn't crazy.

00:06:53.000 We had our hard days far outside of camp, and then we kind of toned it out.

00:06:59.000 Getting ready for a Justin Gaethje, you had to, but then with your brain health, you need to protect your brain.

00:07:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:04.000 There's so much movies like on concussions and the movie concussion and we have so much...

00:07:11.000 What is it?

00:07:11.000 Information now about the brain and how you can help yourself and how you can mentally and physically help yourself get better and help the brain out.

00:07:19.000 So why not use that?

00:07:21.000 You know, a lot of people call me crazy.

00:07:22.000 A lot of people...

00:07:22.000 I keep hearing the talk about his chin gotta go this time.

00:07:26.000 His chin...

00:07:26.000 Like, when the hell is my chin...

00:07:27.000 My chin was supposed to go the last 20 fights.

00:07:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:30.000 What are you guys talking about, you know? 0.99

00:07:33.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous. 0.99

00:07:34.000 Someone either has a good chin or they don't have a good chin. 0.97

00:07:36.000 But you're not getting hit clean a lot.

00:07:38.000 One of the things that you do a lot is you roll with shots.

00:07:41.000 You're very good at rolling with shots.

00:07:43.000 When you're getting hit, you're getting hit and I see you turning your face.

00:07:47.000 I see you taking some steam off of a lot of shots.

00:07:51.000 And your style is so...

00:07:53.000 it's a fun style to watch, but it's also a nightmare to deal with.

00:07:58.000 You're switching stances, you're constantly cutting angles, like the volume that you put on Justin.

00:08:05.000 Like when Justin was having a hard time catching to you, it was very evident early on that you were on it. 0.99

00:08:10.000 But it was one of those fights where it's like, damn, Justin with one punch can fuck people up. 0.99

00:08:15.000 It's just like avoiding that one punch. 0.99

00:08:17.000 And then we start tuning him up.

00:08:19.000 Then he dropped you.

00:08:20.000 He dropped you in what round was that?

00:08:23.000 Second?

00:08:24.000 Third.

00:08:24.000 I think third or fourth round.

00:08:25.000 I forget.

00:08:26.000 Fourth round.

00:08:26.000 I think it was the fourth round.

00:08:27.000 It didn't count as a drop, which is crazy.

00:08:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:30.000 Like a lot of people...

00:08:30.000 It didn't count?

00:08:31.000 No, it didn't.

00:08:34.000 ESPN is like...

00:08:36.000 Posting it and saying like in however many fights I'm with the UFC, right?

00:08:39.000 I stayed there and get dropped. 0.99

00:08:41.000 I'm like, that's some bullshit. 1.00

00:08:42.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

00:08:44.000 Get Justin down with you. 1.00

00:08:45.000 I'll take it, you know what I mean?

00:08:46.000 But I'm not...

00:08:47.000 I'll be a man to sit here and be...

00:08:48.000 I wouldn't be a man sitting here and telling you that I did.

00:08:51.000 Bro, he...

00:08:51.000 Bro, all I remember getting hit by that punch and then like I sat and then I came back up.

00:08:56.000 I was like... 0.99

00:08:57.000 What the fuck did he just hit me with? 0.99

00:08:59.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:08:59.000 I was like, holy shit! 1.00

00:09:00.000 I was like, that was a good punch. 1.00

00:09:02.000 And then when I rewatched it, he hit me like right on the top of my dome.

00:09:06.000 I was like, holy smack, brother.

00:09:07.000 This guy smacks.

00:09:09.000 And then I was fine as soon as I got it.

00:09:11.000 It was one of those like, boom, you know?

00:09:12.000 Like the legs just give out.

00:09:14.000 The legs just give out.

00:09:15.000 Like I was there.

00:09:15.000 Even when I was standing, I was looking at him.

00:09:17.000 But I don't know how that didn't count as a drop.

00:09:20.000 But I don't know what they count as a drop because...

00:09:22.000 That has to count.

00:09:23.000 That's silly. 0.84

00:09:23.000 Yeah, that was crazy. 0.84

00:09:25.000 No, that's 100% a knockdown.

00:09:27.000 Somebody just made a mistake.

00:09:28.000 But, like, did you ever see Ilya Toporia when he fought Jai Herbert?

00:09:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:33.000 I saw that.

00:09:34.000 What's funny, I never saw the fight, but then when people was, when he was talking about fighting and we was fighting and saying, and he was, he said something about dropping me or KOing me, and then I see the comments of him getting, that hit, that left thigh kick getting dropped.

00:09:48.000 So I was like, oh, yeah.

00:09:49.000 I didn't see the fight, but I saw that part happen.

00:09:51.000 It was an amazing comeback because he knocked him out in the second round, but man, he could take a shot because he got hit so clean with a switch kick off the left side, right chin to the chin, just perfect.

00:10:02.000 I mean, it was just whack!

00:10:03.000 And then his whole body just goes out and then he grabbed ahold of a single.

00:10:06.000 Check this out.

00:10:07.000 Watch this.

00:10:08.000 Boom! 0.99

00:10:08.000 I mean, dude, watch the head snap back. 0.99

00:10:11.000 Look at the head snap back.

00:10:11.000 I mean, that is just shin to the chin.

00:10:14.000 That is just a perfect Jai Herbert head kick.

00:10:17.000 But he grabbed ahold of him, and he managed to maintain his composure, got him to the ground, survives the round, and actually was winning the rest of the round.

00:10:25.000 That was early, too.

00:10:26.000 Look, four minutes.

00:10:27.000 He did a lot of wrestling.

00:10:29.000 Did a lot of wrestling.

00:10:30.000 He's a very complete fighter.

00:10:31.000 Yeah, he's very good, bro.

00:10:32.000 He's very good.

00:10:33.000 Very good. 1.00

00:10:33.000 And his fucking boxing, man. 1.00

00:10:36.000 His boxing is terrifying. 0.99

00:10:39.000 I was shocked that Volk wanted to take that fight so quickly after the Makachev fight.

00:10:46.000 If I was his friend, I would have not recommended that.

00:10:49.000 But I don't know if you could talk to him.

00:10:50.000 I mean, he's a champion.

00:10:52.000 He's him, you know?

00:10:53.000 Yeah, dudes like that are like, mate, we can do it, mate.

00:10:55.000 We're gonna go to war. 1.00

00:10:57.000 He's a fucking animal. 1.00

00:10:59.000 No, he's an animal, by the way. 1.00

00:10:59.000 He's an animal, but the human body... 1.00

00:11:03.000 The vulnerabilities of the human body are real, despite the spirit of the man.

00:11:07.000 Yeah.

00:11:08.000 Despite the spirit of the man.

00:11:09.000 You got damage, no matter your spirit, you still have something, your brain, your muscles are still hurting, so it's going to only protect itself when you feel something.

00:11:19.000 When there's a warning sign going off, like, oh man, warning, did it shut off?

00:11:22.000 Because it's like, look, I'm going to save me from myself.

00:11:25.000 And that's what it is.

00:11:26.000 Like when Connor fought Dustin the last time.

00:11:28.000 He had a broken shin.

00:11:30.000 Yeah, his leg was broken already.

00:11:32.000 It was a stress factor, right?

00:11:33.000 Yep.

00:11:33.000 He had a fracture going into that fight.

00:11:36.000 And he knew it.

00:11:37.000 And the body's just gonna...

00:11:38.000 Your body's gonna give up, you know, no matter how strong the will is.

00:11:41.000 And think about, like, what that cost him.

00:11:43.000 A lot.

00:11:44.000 Two years.

00:11:45.000 Two years.

00:11:46.000 And who knows where he could have been if he hadn't taken that fight.

00:11:50.000 Look, it's only eight weeks.

00:11:52.000 You got a stress fracture like that?

00:11:54.000 It's like eight weeks.

00:11:55.000 And it's healed.

00:11:56.000 Right?

00:11:57.000 Because it's not all the way through.

00:11:58.000 That's crazy.

00:11:59.000 It could have healed it.

00:12:00.000 And then, you know.

00:12:02.000 And UFC would move mountains for that, man.

00:12:05.000 So why not, right?

00:12:05.000 I don't know if they knew it was a fracture, though.

00:12:08.000 It definitely was.

00:12:10.000 But I think they had done MRIs on it.

00:12:13.000 It was inconclusive.

00:12:14.000 Turned out.

00:12:15.000 But it was badly hurt.

00:12:17.000 You know, you've had bone bruises before where you're like, I don't know if this is broken.

00:12:21.000 You've got to get it looked at.

00:12:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:12:22.000 They suck. 1.00

00:12:23.000 No, they hurt, bro. 0.99

00:12:24.000 How was your left shin?

00:12:26.000 Brother, my left shin, it's alright now, but they hurt, bro.

00:12:29.000 That's what I was about to talk about. 0.99

00:12:30.000 I'm like, bro, this guy kick hard as shit. 1.00

00:12:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:33.000 And his bones, I don't know what it was made out of, bro.

00:12:37.000 I think it's a titanium.

00:12:38.000 Like, I like to say my chin is made out of vibranium, brother.

00:12:41.000 He had a vibranium leg, bro.

00:12:43.000 I was like, he went to Wakanda too?

00:12:45.000 I was thinking to myself, like, how?

00:12:47.000 I thought I only got to go to Wakanda.

00:12:49.000 I guess he went too, you know?

00:12:51.000 But, you know, at the end of the day, bro, it hurt.

00:12:53.000 Like, my shin still bruised.

00:12:55.000 It feels good.

00:12:56.000 I can move it, whatever.

00:12:57.000 It was, like, stiff after the fight.

00:12:58.000 In there, a lot of people always, I always hear you talk about it in there and be like, oh, yeah, it hurts.

00:13:02.000 I don't really feel it.

00:13:04.000 Like, I don't pay too much mind to it in the fight.

00:13:07.000 I can feel when he hits it and it's like, oh, I'm telling myself that's going to hurt later.

00:13:12.000 But you got 25 minutes, you know, we got to stay in here, you know, and What's interesting is it doesn't seem to compromise your movement that much.

00:13:20.000 It depends entirely upon the person. 0.91

00:13:22.000 Like some people get calf kicked once real hard and it swells up and you see immediately they're walking fucked up and they're trying to switch southpaw. 0.97

00:13:29.000 They're trying to switch stances. 0.97

00:13:31.000 But you don't seem to have as much of a problem with it.

00:13:34.000 Yeah, it wasn't really a problem.

00:13:35.000 I know it hurts.

00:13:36.000 I know it's going to be hurt after the fight.

00:13:38.000 But then even that, switching stances is the most craziest thing to me.

00:13:41.000 While after getting completely landed nicely there.

00:13:45.000 Because if I switch stances, he screwed up two of my legs.

00:13:47.000 What am I going to do?

00:13:48.000 Crawl over to him?

00:13:49.000 Right.

00:13:49.000 You know what I mean?

00:13:50.000 I'd rather have one leg than two legs messed up, you know?

00:13:53.000 Again, though, I think that's you.

00:13:55.000 I think you're particularly durable.

00:13:57.000 Because some guys, like, you've seen what happens with Pajeda. 0.99

00:14:01.000 He kicks you a couple of times in that leg, and that leg's fucked up, man. 0.99

00:14:05.000 Messed up, bro. 1.00

00:14:06.000 Everybody, even Jan Blachowicz.

00:14:09.000 Who's made out of rocks.

00:14:10.000 Yeah.

00:14:11.000 Jan's, like, his bones are made out of stone.

00:14:12.000 Remember when he was going with Uncle Liev?

00:14:14.000 He went shin to shin with him?

00:14:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:16.000 He was just cracking shins with him and fucking his leg up. 0.98

00:14:18.000 Yeah, and then a guy like, bro, did you see the picture of me and Alex? 0.99

00:14:22.000 Alex, did you guys see the picture of me and Alex?

00:14:24.000 They face swapped him?

00:14:26.000 No.

00:14:26.000 They put my face on Alex Ferrara?

00:14:28.000 Try to look it up, brother.

00:14:29.000 He looked like Thanos, bro.

00:14:31.000 And Money Moikano, bro. 1.00

00:14:33.000 Money Moikano is like, yeah, fuck this guy. 1.00

00:14:35.000 You know Money Moikano is like, yeah, fuck that guy, bro. 1.00

00:14:37.000 You got to kill that man. 1.00

00:14:40.000 Money Moikano is the funniest guy, bro. 1.00

00:14:42.000 He's so funny, man.

00:14:43.000 I saw Twitter.

00:14:45.000 He was like, yeah, people asking me to fight Max because he's 9 and I'm 10 or 8 and 9 or something like that. 1.00

00:14:52.000 Are you fucking crazy? 0.99

00:14:53.000 He's like, I'll fight him if we have one rule. 1.00

00:14:55.000 No punching.

00:14:58.000 I love Monty McConnell, bro.

00:14:59.000 He's a funny dude.

00:15:00.000 Man, he almost lost that Jalen Turner fight.

00:15:02.000 That was crazy.

00:15:03.000 What happened there?

00:15:05.000 Jalen Turner tried to look cool and get a walk-off KO, and it didn't happen. 1.00

00:15:09.000 It didn't happen.

00:15:10.000 You can't do that.

00:15:11.000 You gotta follow up.

00:15:12.000 That was the fight.

00:15:13.000 Like, if he beat Moicano, man.

00:15:15.000 And Jalen had him!

00:15:16.000 He had him!

00:15:17.000 I was at the hotel room still watching that fight.

00:15:21.000 We was watching it.

00:15:22.000 We was watching it, and...

00:15:24.000 Yeah, I was tripping out.

00:15:25.000 And you know what's funny?

00:15:26.000 As soon as that happened, I told my coach, I was like, you know what would be funny?

00:15:31.000 If Money Wakanda comes out and reenickes him the next round.

00:15:34.000 And he finishes him the next round. 0.99

00:15:37.000 I was like, damn. 0.99

00:15:38.000 It wasn't funny, but it was like, damn, that's amazing. 0.99

00:15:41.000 Well, Jalen is so long. 0.99

00:15:43.000 He's so dangerous, too.

00:15:45.000 His knockout power, like, at length, he catches guys on the end of shots.

00:15:49.000 You can't even come close to him, and he's cracking you, and he's got nasty power.

00:15:53.000 And, you know, that Moicano dude, he... 0.98

00:15:56.000 It's tough, bro.

00:15:57.000 It's very tough. 0.99

00:15:58.000 The fact that he figured it out, he's like, fuck all this standing. 1.00

00:16:01.000 I'm gonna grab that dude and drag him to the ground. 1.00

00:16:02.000 Smart, bro. 0.99

00:16:03.000 Smart.

00:16:04.000 IQ. Let's fight IQ, bro.

00:16:06.000 What a card that was.

00:16:07.000 What a card.

00:16:08.000 From the first one, bro, I had family and friends that came to the fight, and they went to the first fight.

00:16:14.000 Cody Garbrandt and Davidson Figueroa!

00:16:16.000 You had to, bro.

00:16:17.000 Imagine you got two former world champions going at it in the first fight.

00:16:21.000 Yeah, that's insane.

00:16:22.000 And two guys that are still awesome.

00:16:25.000 And there was fighting.

00:16:26.000 It was a fight, bro.

00:16:27.000 It was a really good fight.

00:16:28.000 It was a fight.

00:16:28.000 How crazy was it when he went for the handstand kick?

00:16:31.000 Imagine he landed that kick on Stuff's face when Stuff went for the handstand and then he just went for a regular leg kick and almost kicked him in the head.

00:16:39.000 That was crazy. 0.99

00:16:40.000 Yeah, those cartwheel kicks are ridiculous. 0.99

00:16:43.000 Crazy. 0.99

00:16:44.000 Crazy. 0.99

00:16:44.000 You gotta set them up, brother. 0.99

00:16:45.000 You can't be just throwing them freely like that, you know?

00:16:48.000 Well, Justin tried rolling thunder on you in like the last round, right?

00:16:52.000 I knew.

00:16:52.000 I knew he was gonna try it.

00:16:53.000 I knew it.

00:16:54.000 That's what Justin's known for, you know?

00:16:56.000 So I knew he was gonna do it.

00:16:57.000 We knew he was gonna do a couple stuff.

00:16:59.000 We knew power punches, leg kicks.

00:17:02.000 I was thinking if we got later in the rounds or if he was getting comfortable, he's going to try and do the rolling thunder kick.

00:17:09.000 So we was ready for it.

00:17:11.000 He's got this weird ability to kick your legs in a clinch.

00:17:15.000 Close, bro.

00:17:16.000 I heard you talking about how his hip is so flexible that he can just kick.

00:17:20.000 Bro, it was almost like...

00:17:23.000 It wasn't a high kick, of course, but you know what his late kick reminded me of?

00:17:27.000 It reminded me of Yair's high kick. 0.99

00:17:29.000 Me and Yair could be nose to nose and a fucking kick comes up. 1.00

00:17:32.000 I'm like, holy shit! 1.00

00:17:33.000 He did it to me one time. 0.99

00:17:35.000 And I was like, why are you guys so flexible?

00:17:38.000 And even with...

00:17:40.000 With Justin, with his leg kick, bro, some of them, even his angles that he takes on his kick, I'm like, you're not hitting me with this.

00:17:47.000 And he cracks me, his whole shin across my knee.

00:17:49.000 I'm like, what is going on?

00:17:50.000 How are you landing this?

00:17:52.000 His angle is weird, bro.

00:17:54.000 He has some weird angles for it, for sure.

00:17:55.000 Well, he's very unique in a lot of ways.

00:17:58.000 He's a very unique style, very unique mentality.

00:18:02.000 He's a unique guy.

00:18:03.000 But the leg kicks in the clinch, was it still PFL back then?

00:18:08.000 It was PFL. I know which one you were talking about.

00:18:09.000 The one that he was in the clinch.

00:18:10.000 In the clinch!

00:18:12.000 Just kicking and full power leg kicks. 0.97

00:18:15.000 I think he TKO'd that guy.

00:18:16.000 He TKO'd that guy with leg kicks. 1.00

00:18:17.000 It's horrible to watch because you're dealing with the clinch.

00:18:20.000 And you're thinking, oh, we're just clinching here.

00:18:22.000 And he's just killing your legs.

00:18:24.000 No, he's like, we're not clinching here. 0.91

00:18:24.000 Like no one can. 0.91

00:18:25.000 Like no one can.

00:18:26.000 I don't know anybody else who kicks the legs from the clinch like Justin Gaethje does.

00:18:30.000 Full power clinching.

00:18:31.000 You know how you do that heel kick? 0.98

00:18:32.000 That's what people do.

00:18:33.000 They usually grab that heel and they hit it or whatever. 0.94

00:18:35.000 But this guy is like straight Jose Aldo running leg kicking to you in the clinch.

00:18:40.000 I know, right?

00:18:40.000 You know, it's insane.

00:18:41.000 Think about all the guys you fought, Max.

00:18:44.000 I mean, you have fought the best of the best.

00:18:47.000 You fought everybody.

00:18:48.000 Except Makhachev, there's like everybody of your era, you fought. 0.51

00:18:53.000 Yeah, well, the Makhachev fight is not too far off, so, you know, never say never. 0.90

00:18:58.000 I got a couple more years in me for sure.

00:19:00.000 What do you think, like, if you had to plan it out, okay, so here we got Poirier and Makhachev are fighting, they're fighting next, and that's gonna be, what is that, New Jersey?

00:19:10.000 New Jersey.

00:19:11.000 New Jersey.

00:19:12.000 So let's say Makachev wins. 0.68

00:19:14.000 If Makachev wins...

00:19:15.000 Well, even if Poirier wins.

00:19:16.000 If Poirier wins...

00:19:17.000 Bro, if Poirier wins, that'd be a fun fight.

00:19:19.000 It's a great rematch.

00:19:20.000 We have history, you know?

00:19:21.000 Especially at 55...

00:19:22.000 We have 45. And make it a double belt.

00:19:25.000 Brother.

00:19:26.000 I would love that, brother.

00:19:27.000 The double belt.

00:19:28.000 Yeah, that'd be crazy.

00:19:28.000 The double belt.

00:19:29.000 The double belt.

00:19:31.000 First time ever.

00:19:32.000 That'd be crazy.

00:19:33.000 BMF and the lightweight title on the line.

00:19:35.000 That'd be crazy.

00:19:36.000 Wow, that would be wild.

00:19:37.000 But even if...

00:19:38.000 Whoever wins.

00:19:39.000 But then, I really like...

00:19:41.000 No, here's the thing.

00:19:42.000 At 55, you look fantastic.

00:19:44.000 You look bigger.

00:19:45.000 You look stronger.

00:19:47.000 I'm sure it felt better.

00:19:48.000 Oh yeah, it felt good, bro.

00:19:51.000 The cut was a cut, don't get me wrong, but it was beautiful, brother.

00:19:56.000 I was eating sushi all week.

00:19:58.000 I eat sushi when I go to 45 too, but I was eating more sushi all week, but I was loving it.

00:20:03.000 Do you think that that's better for you?

00:20:07.000 We see what happens.

00:20:08.000 I feel like I still have unfinished business at 45. I want to get the title.

00:20:12.000 I mean, before this fight, we only had a couple of options.

00:20:19.000 After this fight, the whole main goal with this fight was just have all the options.

00:20:24.000 That was my mentality going into this fight.

00:20:29.000 The mentality was, let's have all the options.

00:20:31.000 We go out there.

00:20:34.000 We do something spectacular.

00:20:36.000 I'm right up there with the top 55ers.

00:20:39.000 I still have my spot with the 45ers. 0.98

00:20:42.000 And then, to my surprise, after the fight, they announced a Conor vs Chandler fight.

00:20:49.000 Me and Conor have some history, so there's options.

00:20:53.000 And they're talking about doing something at 65. I know DC's been saying this.

00:20:57.000 I don't know what he knows.

00:20:58.000 I haven't pressed him.

00:20:59.000 I'm sure DC knows something.

00:21:00.000 That guy only talks about stuff when he knows.

00:21:02.000 Yeah, clever.

00:21:05.000 This is what DC asks, brother.

00:21:07.000 You know DC. You've caught a lot of fights with him.

00:21:10.000 You know him as a person.

00:21:12.000 He don't talk about nothing unless he knows something is going on, brother.

00:21:16.000 That's what I'm thinking. 0.68

00:21:17.000 It's either he knows something going on or he's just bullshitting.

00:21:21.000 So it's either, it's one or the other. 0.95

00:21:24.000 Yeah, I doubt he's bullshitting.

00:21:26.000 Exactly.

00:21:27.000 With that, you know what I mean?

00:21:29.000 I know he doesn't bullshitting, but I know he sees other stuff.

00:21:31.000 It's like, it's crazy, like, because I saw him talking about the BMF. Did you see that one with that bit with RC? Yes.

00:21:39.000 When he told RC that he should, who else should fight for the BMF? And no disrespect to him, but like, come on, DC, what the hell is he?

00:21:46.000 Like, he's just so offline on that side, you know?

00:21:48.000 Did he say out of pocket?

00:21:49.000 Yeah, he's so out of pocket, like, calling that, you know?

00:21:51.000 Well, He's out of pocket because he's so biased towards wrestling.

00:21:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:56.000 He's like, there's been no takedowns in the BMF fights.

00:21:59.000 I think that's what a BMF belt is, you know?

00:22:02.000 Well, it can be takedowns if it happens, but to have it just because you want takedowns, bring a wrestler in. 0.99

00:22:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:10.000 That belt is a special belt.

00:22:12.000 It's a wild belt.

00:22:14.000 It is wild.

00:22:15.000 It's wild.

00:22:15.000 These are wild fights.

00:22:17.000 That's right.

00:22:18.000 You know what's funny?

00:22:18.000 Like a lot of them...

00:22:19.000 It's funny because I see a lot of these guys, these MMA guys, guys, some guys who's just like even doing MMA. I see everything, brother.

00:22:27.000 From like low-level MMA guys that's trying to come up to mid to high. 0.65

00:22:32.000 And before this fight, everybody was shitting on the BMF, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

00:22:36.000 And then now that I got it, I'm happy to see that it's actually getting its worth. 0.89

00:22:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:22:41.000 At the end of the day, everybody's saying, oh, no undisputed.

00:22:44.000 Well...

00:22:44.000 I was an Undisputed Champion.

00:22:45.000 I have the BMF belt now.

00:22:47.000 What is it?

00:22:48.000 Well, I'm fighting number one contenders and keep fighting these numbers and champions.

00:22:53.000 Now you tell me what it is.

00:22:55.000 At the end of the day, the belt is cool, and I always tell everybody, the belt is cool, but you guys got to understand what brings with the belt, what the emotions it brings, and what kind of fight it brings to a card.

00:23:08.000 Our fight, a lot of people were saying could have been the main event of 300, you know what I mean?

00:23:12.000 So it's insane, you know?

00:23:13.000 100%.

00:23:14.000 And the crazy thing is there was two insane fights after your fight.

00:23:18.000 Your fight was so good that two insane world title fights afterwards...

00:23:23.000 Had to happen after, yeah.

00:23:24.000 And still, people talk about your fight.

00:23:26.000 And I felt so bad for the girls because I was watching that fight in the back after doing my media. 0.81

00:23:30.000 And it was such a crazy fight, brother.

00:23:33.000 Amazing fight.

00:23:34.000 But I think people just had an adrenaline dump because of what happened in the last fight.

00:23:39.000 I lost my voice.

00:23:40.000 Bro, I lost my voice.

00:23:42.000 I really did.

00:23:42.000 I've never lost my voice ever in a UFC fight.

00:23:45.000 But when you dropped him, it was the first time I ever stood up.

00:23:48.000 I couldn't sit down.

00:23:49.000 I was standing up.

00:23:51.000 I was just like, oh!

00:23:51.000 I saw you stand up.

00:23:53.000 That was the first time I stood up.

00:23:54.000 It was just, what?!

00:23:55.000 Dana had the greatest quote in the post-fight press conference. 0.98

00:23:59.000 He said, I sell holy shit moments. 0.97

00:24:02.000 When people ask me, what do I do for a living? 0.99

00:24:05.000 Look at this.

00:24:05.000 I couldn't even sit down.

00:24:07.000 I had to get up.

00:24:09.000 I had to hold on to those guys.

00:24:10.000 I'm holding on to them.

00:24:13.000 That's awesome.

00:24:14.000 It's funny when they started putting cameras on us.

00:24:17.000 Because we've been doing that forever.

00:24:19.000 DC and I go crazy.

00:24:20.000 We hug each other.

00:24:20.000 We go nuts.

00:24:21.000 When something crazy happens, it's like, what?

00:24:24.000 What?

00:24:24.000 I'm glad.

00:24:25.000 I'm glad they did.

00:24:26.000 Because to see fans and reactions to the fight is cool.

00:24:32.000 But they're fans.

00:24:32.000 But then when you see our peers and guys like you and other fighters and commentators of the sport, you've been around forever.

00:24:40.000 So, to see you do that, that brings a humangous-ass smile to my face. 0.99

00:24:45.000 Like, holy shit! 0.99

00:24:46.000 I just made Joe Rogan stand the hell out, you know? 1.00

00:24:49.000 I say, to this day, and I do it based on my reaction.

00:24:53.000 Obviously, this is personal.

00:24:54.000 I say it's the greatest knockout of all time.

00:24:56.000 The reason why I say it's the greatest knockout of all time is because everybody thought that Justin was going to be overpowering you.

00:25:03.000 He was a bigger guy.

00:25:04.000 He had just knocked out Dustin Poirier.

00:25:06.000 You had lost the last fight to Volkanovski.

00:25:09.000 You hadn't been in title contention since then.

00:25:11.000 You had a bunch of great wins, but here you're going to fight this bigger guy and all these people are writing you off.

00:25:17.000 All these people were saying that it did.

00:25:18.000 And you're tuning him up.

00:25:20.000 And you did have to overcome getting knocked down.

00:25:22.000 And you did have adversity.

00:25:23.000 You had to deal with that leg.

00:25:24.000 And then for you to stand, winning four rounds to one, in the middle of the octagon, point at the ground with ten seconds left, and then to knock him out with one second left?

00:25:34.000 The way I reacted?

00:25:35.000 The way I jumped up, I've never done that before.

00:25:37.000 Even when Leon Edwards knocked out Usman, that was another crazy one.

00:25:40.000 Yeah, that was crazy.

00:25:41.000 Before that, I would have said, that was the greatest knockout of all time.

00:25:43.000 Because he was down.

00:25:44.000 Yeah.

00:25:44.000 He was down four rounds, and John Anik just had the perfect call.

00:25:48.000 He said, that is not the cloth from which he is cut.

00:25:50.000 And it boomed.

00:25:51.000 Yeah.

00:25:51.000 And it boomed.

00:25:51.000 He has his head kicked like it's a movie.

00:25:53.000 Yeah.

00:25:54.000 So that was number one before, but you are number one now.

00:25:57.000 Thank you brother.

00:25:57.000 That's number one.

00:25:58.000 Cause just, Impact, all time, like, complete polar shift of how people think about the BMF belt.

00:26:05.000 They don't think about it as a gimmick at all anymore.

00:26:07.000 No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:07.000 Cause it was the wildest crazy fight with an undeniable number one contender in Justin versus you.

00:26:13.000 It's wild how it happened.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, bro.

00:26:15.000 The whole thing was wild.

00:26:18.000 I mean, you're only as good as your last fight, right?

00:26:21.000 That's what it is.

00:26:22.000 This sport, I like to tell everybody, this is not like basketball. 0.98

00:26:27.000 This is not like baseball or like hockey where you can just shit the bed. 0.98

00:26:32.000 We're good to go. 0.98

00:26:54.000 And then they're like, yeah, but Karina's old and blah, blah, blah. 0.64

00:26:57.000 And then finally, now with this justice, now everybody forgets.

00:26:59.000 It takes us a while to maybe forget about your last fight.

00:27:03.000 It was amazing, bro.

00:27:05.000 To see everybody go crazy.

00:27:07.000 In my mind, a lot of people ask me, what's going through your mind when you're doing that?

00:27:11.000 You're up 4-1?

00:27:12.000 I'm like, brother, that was in my mind the whole time.

00:27:14.000 I'm like, bro, we're going to 10 seconds?

00:27:16.000 I was like, I remember it being a minute.

00:27:19.000 I remember my coach yelling, a minute, Max, stay clean!

00:27:22.000 And then I was like, a minute.

00:27:23.000 I was like, oh, hell yeah.

00:27:24.000 15 seconds until we go to the center.

00:27:26.000 We're going to swing in my mind.

00:27:27.000 And then he's like, 40 seconds. 0.99

00:27:28.000 I was like, holy shit, this clock is slow. 0.99

00:27:30.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:27:31.000 I'm like, why is it taking forever?

00:27:33.000 And then he's like, 30 seconds.

00:27:36.000 And then he's like, okay, 20 seconds.

00:27:38.000 And then he does, and he goes, right after the 20 seconds mark, underneath, a couple seconds after, he does his Rolling Thunder.

00:27:45.000 And then it pushed me to the point to perfectly circle out, and that's when I said, I did the, like, oh, come here, you know, let's go here, let's throw it, because that was just, everybody's losing their mind, but to me, this is normal, you know?

00:27:57.000 This is the second time I did it, you know?

00:27:59.000 Of course, the second time I'm doing it, I heard you guys say, the first time I was with Ricardo, but this ain't no Justin Gaethje, you know?

00:28:06.000 But, you know, why not?

00:28:08.000 Why not?

00:28:09.000 If he was to put me out, then...

00:28:13.000 Then so be it, you know?

00:28:14.000 Live by the sword.

00:28:15.000 Well, it was a wild ending to the fight.

00:28:17.000 There's the Rolling Thunder. 0.98

00:28:18.000 Damn, that was a nice Rolling Thunder, too. 0.98

00:28:19.000 That was nice. 0.99

00:28:20.000 It was.

00:28:21.000 Close.

00:28:22.000 Now, right here.

00:28:23.000 Oh, this is so crazy, Max.

00:28:28.000 That was crazy, yeah.

00:28:30.000 It's the greatest.

00:28:31.000 It has to be the greatest knockout.

00:28:33.000 It has to be.

00:28:40.000 And then you flexing, walking around?

00:28:43.000 Come on, man.

00:28:45.000 That's the greatest shotgun of all time.

00:28:46.000 They got the sickest picture of me, bro.

00:28:49.000 They had the sickest picture of me when I'm flexing and I'm over.

00:28:52.000 I love Justin, bro.

00:28:54.000 I freaking love the man.

00:28:55.000 But they have the Muhammad Ali picture?

00:28:59.000 Yeah.

00:28:59.000 Yeah, they got a moment of me like that.

00:29:01.000 I got a painting for you.

00:29:02.000 I told you I got it.

00:29:02.000 Ross Baines, he's an amazing artist.

00:29:05.000 He made an incredible painting.

00:29:06.000 And it's on the way.

00:29:07.000 I had someone go back to my house and go grab it. 0.76

00:29:09.000 Sick.

00:29:10.000 It's on the way. 0.99

00:29:10.000 Sick. 0.99

00:29:11.000 Yeah, that was a wild moment, man.

00:29:14.000 It's a complete shift of what people care about in upcoming fights. 1.00

00:29:19.000 Like, you are the fucking man now. 1.00

00:29:22.000 Like, whatever next pay-per-view you're in, holy shit, that's gonna be big. 1.00

00:29:27.000 And if it's you and Makachev, or if it's you and Ilya, you and Ilya would be crazy! 0.98

00:29:34.000 Brother, brother, so much fun.

00:29:36.000 So much fun, brother.

00:29:37.000 I know, I know.

00:29:38.000 Is that Spain?

00:29:39.000 Is that 305?

00:29:40.000 When is there going to be a UFC? Perth is 305, right?

00:29:44.000 I don't think they're going to go Spain this year.

00:29:46.000 I don't think they can.

00:29:47.000 I think so.

00:29:48.000 Dana White said it in the 300 conference.

00:29:52.000 After Fight Conference, he said that we're going with Spain.

00:29:56.000 It just takes the time because you've got to book something and it's going to be like a year now.

00:30:00.000 Good.

00:30:01.000 That fight should be in Vegas.

00:30:02.000 Let's go Vegas.

00:30:03.000 I hope Vegas.

00:30:05.000 Or Madison Square Garden.

00:30:06.000 Or Vegas Legion Stadium.

00:30:12.000 66,000.

00:30:13.000 Brother, that's what it is.

00:30:16.000 Did you use their 300 night?

00:30:18.000 Brother, did you not see all the Hawaiian flags?

00:30:20.000 They were everywhere.

00:30:21.000 Bro, that is the ninth island, brother.

00:30:24.000 Give me...

00:30:24.000 We can't go to UFC Hawaii.

00:30:27.000 Give me Allegiant Stadium and let's go crazy there.

00:30:32.000 Oh my God.

00:30:33.000 You could sell it.

00:30:35.000 Allegiant Stadium for a big UFC, 100% they could sell it.

00:30:38.000 I mean, every UFC sells out like that.

00:30:40.000 They sell out so quick.

00:30:41.000 There's so many scalp tickets.

00:30:42.000 In a fight like that, especially if they put together a banger of a card, because you know they're doing the sphere, which is going to be wild.

00:30:48.000 Yeah.

00:30:49.000 That's going to be wild.

00:30:50.000 Who do you think will be in the sphere?

00:30:52.000 That's a good question, right?

00:30:53.000 Because it's Mexican Independence Day?

00:30:58.000 Yes, it's September.

00:30:59.000 I don't think they have it set up.

00:31:02.000 Mexicans like to count me as their own, so I might even be in the spirit.

00:31:06.000 Who knows?

00:31:07.000 They count you?

00:31:08.000 Yeah.

00:31:08.000 For your style?

00:31:09.000 Yeah, yes sir. 1.00

00:31:10.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:31:11.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:31:12.000 What a crazy night, Max. 1.00

00:31:13.000 What a crazy night.

00:31:15.000 And to have that happen, again, like where there's two amazing fights after yours.

00:31:20.000 Oh yeah.

00:31:21.000 And everybody's still just talking about your fight.

00:31:22.000 Yeah, I know.

00:31:23.000 I mean, even with the...

00:31:26.000 I remember as soon as the fight happened, you know, a couple minutes after, my agent Tim Simpson came in and he told me, hey, he was like, brother, they just put your knockout on top of Instagram and YouTube and everything.

00:31:39.000 I was like, what?

00:31:39.000 They never do that.

00:31:40.000 Yeah, they was like, they never do that.

00:31:41.000 They only did this for, they only did it for Suga.

00:31:44.000 And I was like, what?

00:31:45.000 This is crazy.

00:31:45.000 So we saw, I thought they was lying, you know, and they saw it was there.

00:31:48.000 Three different angles, and I reposted it.

00:31:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:31:50.000 I was like, if UFC's posting this, I'm posting this shit too. 0.99

00:31:53.000 Like, This is the craziest knockout of all time. 0.99

00:31:55.000 Bro, the craziest angle is the one when they pause me and then they do a 360 view and then they play it again.

00:32:03.000 I'm like, bro, that's...

00:32:04.000 That's insane, bro.

00:32:05.000 Yeah.

00:32:06.000 What does it feel like when it's all over?

00:32:08.000 Does it feel like a dream?

00:32:09.000 Like, what does it feel like when it's over?

00:32:11.000 Brother, I still...

00:32:11.000 You know, like...

00:32:13.000 I still...

00:32:14.000 I'm still getting used to it.

00:32:15.000 I don't even know.

00:32:15.000 You know, I feel normal.

00:32:17.000 Life's still normal, but, like, I'm getting...

00:32:18.000 Brother, walking down 6th Street last night to get my dinner, I was getting harassed.

00:32:23.000 Like, not harassed.

00:32:24.000 Like, nicely harassed.

00:32:25.000 But, like, people like...

00:32:26.000 Yeah.

00:32:26.000 Like, you're getting...

00:32:27.000 I always get noticed, but, like, these guys, like...

00:32:29.000 It's out and about way more, you know?

00:32:32.000 And so...

00:32:33.000 It's just amazing, bro.

00:32:33.000 Even, like, guys who don't even look like they watch fighting.

00:32:36.000 You know, grandmas and grandpas at airports, like, hey, you're the guy, huh?

00:32:40.000 Yeah, I'm the guy.

00:32:42.000 Well, that clip got so viral, too.

00:32:44.000 You know, that clip was so viral.

00:32:46.000 It was everywhere.

00:32:46.000 It was TikTok and YouTube.

00:32:48.000 It was everywhere.

00:32:48.000 Yeah, bro, my other agent on our team, Daniel, he's like a numbers guy or whatever.

00:32:55.000 And the Google search on me was, like, crazy, bro.

00:33:00.000 I think so.

00:33:01.000 It was in, like, the billions.

00:33:03.000 Like after, it was insane. 1.00

00:33:05.000 It was something stupid. 1.00

00:33:05.000 I was like, oh wow. 1.00

00:33:07.000 I didn't even know you could look that up.

00:33:08.000 I told him.

00:33:08.000 Yeah, that's what makes it very interesting for your next fight.

00:33:13.000 Because your next fight is going to be huge.

00:33:16.000 It's going to be huge. 0.98

00:33:17.000 Like, you're a fucking bonafide superstar now. 0.99

00:33:19.000 Like, your next fight's going to be nuts. 0.99

00:33:22.000 Can't wait, bro.

00:33:22.000 Can't wait.

00:33:23.000 I don't know who it is, who it was, what the UFC want to do.

00:33:26.000 But, like you said, that option, bro.

00:33:29.000 In this game, you're all about options.

00:33:31.000 There's so many options.

00:33:31.000 And there's so many options in your area, too, right?

00:33:34.000 Like, Sugar has been talking about fighting Teporia at 45. Well, if Sugar's willing to fight Teporia at 45, he's willing to fight Max at 45. Right?

00:33:42.000 That gets crazy.

00:33:44.000 There's crazy match-ups all over the place.

00:33:47.000 In a perfect world, you're actually in a perfect world.

00:33:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:50.000 Yeah.

00:33:51.000 In a perfect world... 0.98

00:33:53.000 If I could have it my way, I'd be stupid to not say to fight Conor.

00:33:58.000 You know, I think that Conor fight would be huge or whatever, but we don't know what he's going to do.

00:34:02.000 So, like, if that's out, in a perfect world to me, it would be fight Ilya, 45 title, get my hand raised, and whoever's the next guy up at 55, fight them, try and go for double champ status, whatever it is.

00:34:15.000 Or even cheap belts, you know, like 45, the BMF, and then put the BMF and the 55 against whoever at 55, and that'd be...

00:34:22.000 That'd be surreal, you know.

00:34:24.000 I think that'd be crazy.

00:34:25.000 Well, there's another option too, if they really do this Conor 165 title.

00:34:29.000 There's an option of you being a three champ.

00:34:31.000 That'd be insane.

00:34:32.000 If they did the 165, it'd be fun.

00:34:34.000 That'd be fun.

00:34:35.000 You'd have to cut any weight.

00:34:36.000 Oh, no.

00:34:36.000 You could eat sushi every day.

00:34:38.000 I would eat sushi weight a day.

00:34:40.000 I would eat on the scale.

00:34:43.000 What is your walk around weight?

00:34:44.000 Like, what's right now?

00:34:46.000 Me right now, I walk around like, before I used to get to a big boy, but now I walk around like 70, 75. Nothing crazy.

00:34:53.000 Oh, that's not too crazy.

00:34:54.000 Yeah, nothing crazy.

00:34:55.000 Nothing crazy.

00:34:55.000 I was in there against, they make us check our weight now.

00:34:59.000 And I was only 172 when we went in against Gaethje.

00:35:04.000 When you were fighting at featherweight, what did you weigh in when you fought?

00:35:08.000 I'd be around like 65. I'd get a high 60s.

00:35:11.000 Maybe 68 at the highest.

00:35:12.000 So did you...

00:35:13.000 I know you did a lot of strength and conditioning.

00:35:16.000 Your YouTube channel is great, by the way.

00:35:18.000 Oh, thank you, by the way.

00:35:18.000 And it's really cool how you document pretty much everything.

00:35:21.000 You're showing all your training, all the different stuff.

00:35:23.000 So you did a lot of strength and conditioning.

00:35:25.000 We did a lot of strength.

00:35:26.000 So a lot of people is talking about matching Geechee's strength.

00:35:32.000 Our team didn't want to.

00:35:33.000 We wanted to be strong, but we still wanted to be fast.

00:35:36.000 We knew we was faster than Gagey.

00:35:38.000 So our main focus, everybody thought it was strength and getting big to be strong and to, of course, endure his strikes.

00:35:44.000 But the main thing that we wanted to focus on was speed.

00:35:47.000 I knew I could outgun him.

00:35:49.000 In the fifth round, when we really hurt him, hurt him, I outgunned him with speed.

00:35:53.000 I hit him with five hits.

00:35:56.000 And the one that you don't see hurt you the most.

00:35:58.000 And the last right hand in that little combination early in the fifth round is what hurt him the most.

00:36:03.000 I stunned him a little bit.

00:36:05.000 We're just working on speed, brother.

00:36:07.000 We had 12 weeks.

00:36:10.000 I wasn't willing to put strength to give up conditioning.

00:36:14.000 So I was like, I'm going to be speed and conditioned.

00:36:16.000 That's the way I fight.

00:36:19.000 If you go look at it, a lot of people are looking at stats.

00:36:21.000 Reminds me his fight about how much he throws in strikes and how much I throw in strikes, how much he gets hit, which was less than how much I get hit.

00:36:30.000 And I was like, brother, that cannot be right.

00:36:31.000 And the stats is, you know?

00:36:32.000 And I'm like, no way.

00:36:34.000 And when you look at the stats, this guy had 12 fights and I had like 20 plus fights in the UFC. That's what comes...

00:36:39.000 Our stats is so close to each other because I have so much more fights than his...

00:36:43.000 And then even that, I had a lot of time in the octagon.

00:36:47.000 And he just didn't because he would knock guys out.

00:36:49.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:50.000 He had that beautiful power.

00:36:52.000 At the end of the day, Some of the numbers that these guys are putting out there, I was like, brother, you guys need to do your homework.

00:37:00.000 Stop looking at the surface level.

00:37:01.000 Start digging deep into it.

00:37:03.000 Yeah.

00:37:04.000 It was interesting what you just said about strength and conditioning.

00:37:08.000 You're not willing to give up conditioning for strength.

00:37:10.000 Uh-huh.

00:37:11.000 So how do you approach that?

00:37:14.000 When you made a decision to go to 55, so the Poirier fight, you go to 55, but you did it on pretty short notice, right?

00:37:20.000 Yeah, we had like...

00:37:23.000 So the way we train is I always take two weeks off before the fight.

00:37:26.000 So it was like six weeks.

00:37:28.000 And then so we actually had four weeks to train for him.

00:37:30.000 And I was like, I mean, put up the picture of Poirier punching me in my face.

00:37:34.000 There's a famous picture of Poirier punching me in my face.

00:37:36.000 Explain that when you said you take two weeks off before the fight.

00:37:40.000 What do you mean?

00:37:41.000 So like strength and conditioning.

00:37:42.000 So I don't do no strength and conditioning the week before the fight.

00:37:46.000 Maybe we do a little lift or whatever, but it's just something you maintain.

00:37:49.000 Because you can't get faster or stronger two weeks before a fight or even the week, right?

00:37:53.000 So even with cardio, anything I do the week before the fight is not going to help me.

00:37:57.000 And anything I do the week of the fight is not going to help me.

00:38:00.000 All the hard work is done.

00:38:02.000 And that's what these guys...

00:38:03.000 Look how fat I was.

00:38:05.000 Look at that top right one. 0.76

00:38:06.000 That top right one right there.

00:38:08.000 Look how fat I was.

00:38:09.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:38:10.000 Yeah, that's Muffin Top Max, brother.

00:38:13.000 And he zooms in.

00:38:15.000 Wow. 1.00

00:38:16.000 Wow, you're an asshole, huh? 1.00

00:38:21.000 So you only had four weeks, and there's no way you could put on that amount of muscle in four weeks. 1.00

00:38:26.000 Or anything, you know, and I was like, uh, and I didn't, uh, I didn't have my beautiful wife at the time, so, you know, Emile's was crazy before.

00:38:34.000 I ate out every night.

00:38:36.000 I was terrible.

00:38:37.000 Now she cooks me, now she keeps me clean, so it is what it is, you know.

00:38:40.000 I hate using excuses because, you know, Dustin, I came out there and fought hard, and we fought hard, and I ain't taking nothing away from Dustin, so whatever I did was on me, and, you know, if that fight, if we get a third one, then I think it would be a pretty fun one.

00:38:55.000 Oh, it'd be amazing.

00:38:57.000 That'd be wild.

00:38:58.000 A third fight between you guys would be wild.

00:38:59.000 Especially if he beats Islam. 1.00

00:39:01.000 If he beats Islam, that's a no-brainer. 1.00

00:39:02.000 That'd be crazy, yeah.

00:39:04.000 That's a no-brainer.

00:39:05.000 How much is the odds on betting on him dropping a ghillie? 0.99

00:39:09.000 He's gonna try.

00:39:11.000 You know, I didn't know that he was referencing William Montgomery, the comedian, when he, I ain't never gonna stop!

00:39:19.000 That's what he was doing.

00:39:19.000 He was doing William Montgomery from Kill Tony.

00:39:21.000 I didn't know, and I'm friends with William Montgomery.

00:39:24.000 I love that dude.

00:39:25.000 You're not a good friend, Ninja. 0.99

00:39:27.000 What the hell? 0.98

00:39:28.000 You know, I felt like a bad friend.

00:39:29.000 But really what it is, is like when I'm doing an interview after such a crazy fight like that, Interviews are complicated.

00:39:37.000 You're locked in, bro.

00:39:37.000 I'm trying to get this guy to express himself as much as possible.

00:39:41.000 I'm trying to stay out of the way, but I'm also trying to ask questions, and so I didn't pick up on it.

00:39:46.000 Plus, I was like, no way.

00:39:48.000 Yeah, you're locked in, bro.

00:39:50.000 You're locked in.

00:39:50.000 But Tony texted me.

00:39:51.000 He goes, did he just quote William Montgomery?

00:39:53.000 I'm like, no way, really?

00:39:54.000 Is that what that was? 1.00

00:39:55.000 And then Willie texted you, fuck you. 1.00

00:39:57.000 Right? 1.00

00:39:59.000 No, they had been going back and forth.

00:40:00.000 He apparently, Dustin told him he was going to say it.

00:40:03.000 Oh, for real?

00:40:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:04.000 They've been DMing each other.

00:40:05.000 Oh, that's awesome.

00:40:06.000 Yeah, it's hilarious.

00:40:07.000 Dustin's the man, bro.

00:40:09.000 Yeah.

00:40:09.000 With his beautiful uppercut.

00:40:11.000 Now, he had been pressuring you.

00:40:13.000 There had been moments in the fight where you chose to jump to guard and try to grab a guillotine.

00:40:19.000 Yeah, I'll do it.

00:40:19.000 And I'll never stop doing it.

00:40:21.000 And I'll never stop doing it.

00:40:26.000 Dustin's one of the good guys in our sport.

00:40:29.000 He's a great guy.

00:40:31.000 He's a great guy.

00:40:31.000 I love Dustin.

00:40:32.000 I love Dustin.

00:40:33.000 And I was glad for him to get that win over Benoit Saint-Denis.

00:40:37.000 He's a monster. 1.00

00:40:38.000 A killer, bro. 1.00

00:40:39.000 He's a killer, bro. 1.00

00:40:40.000 And that's another fight, right? 1.00

00:40:42.000 Saint-Denis gets staph.

00:40:43.000 So he's got staph on his forehead.

00:40:45.000 He's got to take antibiotics.

00:40:46.000 Have you ever had staph?

00:40:47.000 No, bro.

00:40:48.000 Knock on wood.

00:40:49.000 That's amazing.

00:40:50.000 How have you avoided staph?

00:40:51.000 Yeah, brother.

00:40:53.000 I'm clean, I guess.

00:40:54.000 I guess.

00:40:55.000 You're doing something, right? 0.99

00:40:55.000 Some guys are some dirty mother effers, I think, you know? 0.99

00:40:58.000 Well, you can get staff easy. 0.99

00:40:59.000 You can get staff easy.

00:41:01.000 No, I know.

00:41:01.000 I know some guys, once it's in your system, you just got to get reawakened, right?

00:41:08.000 One of our friends, he's pretty bad.

00:41:10.000 He's always got staff every other week, feels like.

00:41:12.000 Oh, really?

00:41:13.000 Yeah, it's terrible.

00:41:14.000 Does he take showers?

00:41:15.000 Brother, he does.

00:41:16.000 He does everything.

00:41:17.000 I don't know what it is.

00:41:18.000 It's just bad luck, I think.

00:41:19.000 Another thing is, like, people mistakenly use antibacterial soap.

00:41:23.000 Like, you don't want antibacterial soap.

00:41:25.000 You want to keep your healthy gut floor.

00:41:27.000 I tell everybody, I know the guy owns the company, I have no affiliation with it, but defense soap. 1.00

00:41:34.000 If you're a grappler, it's the shit. 0.99

00:41:36.000 Defense soap is all natural. 1.00

00:41:38.000 It's like tea tree oil, eucalyptus oil, and he has all kinds of products.

00:41:43.000 Everything from stuff to clean, like wipes.

00:41:46.000 If you can't get to a shower quick enough, if you're training in a place that's kind of dingy and doesn't have a shower, they have wipes until you get home.

00:41:54.000 They have soaps and ointments.

00:41:56.000 That's the most crazy thing, bro, right?

00:41:58.000 When people, like, I see people, like, we train, and then we have a shower at the gym, and some of them just, like, change their clothes and, like, I gotta go.

00:42:05.000 I was like...

00:42:06.000 What the hell? 0.98

00:42:07.000 Did you shower? 0.99

00:42:08.000 I said, no, no, I gotta leave.

00:42:09.000 I was like, the hell?

00:42:10.000 No way, you know?

00:42:12.000 I live like 45 minutes.

00:42:13.000 Some of them live like maybe 15 minutes. 0.99

00:42:16.000 But 15 minutes is enough for a ringworm or something to fucking wake up, you know? 0.96

00:42:19.000 So it's like, brother, just jump in there and get a rinse off. 0.97

00:42:22.000 Yeah, I've had ringworm.

00:42:23.000 I've had staph twice.

00:42:24.000 I've had ringworm a couple of times.

00:42:26.000 It's annoying.

00:42:27.000 It's annoying.

00:42:28.000 Oh, ringworm is irritating. 1.00

00:42:29.000 The defense soap is the shit. 1.00

00:42:30.000 I tell everybody, get on that. 1.00

00:42:33.000 And it doesn't mess up, because it's all natural.

00:42:36.000 It's like tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil, and it smells good, but it doesn't fuck up your skin floor.

00:42:41.000 I knew this dude who had ringworm, and so he started using antibacterial soap, and then he got it everywhere.

00:42:46.000 It spread all over his chest.

00:42:48.000 And then what it does too, it burns your skin.

00:42:50.000 Yeah.

00:42:50.000 So like when you use that kind of stuff with ringworm, I remember people used to like bleach them.

00:42:55.000 Yes.

00:42:55.000 And then you'd be bleached, you'd have a bleach circle.

00:42:59.000 Yeah, like a burn.

00:43:00.000 That's crazy.

00:43:00.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:43:01.000 It's insane. 0.76

00:43:02.000 Yeah, a lot of psycho dudes use bleach.

00:43:04.000 That's a crazy move, to pour bleach on an open wound. 1.00

00:43:07.000 Like what the fuck are you, what are you doing, man? 0.99

00:43:12.000 So, for this fight, how much notice did you have that you were going to fight at 55 and that you were going to fight Justin? 0.99

00:43:18.000 Brother, so there is an idea of maybe.

00:43:21.000 Maybe it was going to happen for a while.

00:43:23.000 But we didn't know.

00:43:24.000 And then we got confirmed.

00:43:25.000 I think it was like 10 to 12 weeks.

00:43:28.000 You know?

00:43:28.000 Like, I don't know what it was.

00:43:29.000 So it was like 10 to 12 weeks.

00:43:30.000 So it was like more than enough time.

00:43:33.000 Plenty of time.

00:43:33.000 Yeah, we had so much time, brother.

00:43:35.000 We was planning.

00:43:36.000 I got to train.

00:43:37.000 I got to lift.

00:43:38.000 I was already...

00:43:39.000 We was training a lot.

00:43:40.000 My last fight was in August.

00:43:41.000 So I was in the gym training, getting ready.

00:43:43.000 Brother, after the Voke and...

00:43:48.000 Is them to fight?

00:43:49.000 I was like, there is no way they're letting this guy turn around.

00:43:52.000 So I really thought they was going to try and ask me to go fight Ilya in January or something.

00:43:58.000 I went to Toronto.

00:43:59.000 I fought in Toronto twice.

00:44:01.000 I won an interim.

00:44:02.000 I defended the belt there.

00:44:03.000 I have a following in Toronto.

00:44:05.000 I call it the 10th Island.

00:44:06.000 I like to call it...

00:44:07.000 I love the Canadians.

00:44:09.000 They're literally the best.

00:44:10.000 So I was thinking, man, we're going to get caught.

00:44:14.000 There's no way that he's going to fight.

00:44:17.000 And then...

00:44:18.000 They did.

00:44:19.000 They just moved it from January to February.

00:44:21.000 They put the other card, whatever.

00:44:23.000 They switched it around.

00:44:24.000 I was already training and then, yeah.

00:44:28.000 I couldn't tell you when, but I knew we had at least 12 weeks.

00:44:30.000 At least 12 weeks.

00:44:31.000 When did you know that it was going to be 55 and when did you know it was going to be for the BMF belt?

00:44:37.000 That was 12 weeks.

00:44:38.000 12 weeks.

00:44:39.000 So, had you already had a plan to put weight on?

00:44:42.000 Had you already had a plan, like strength and conditioning plan?

00:44:44.000 Oh, for sure.

00:44:45.000 As soon as the talks of maybe we might even fight Gaethje at all, was like, we just gotta...

00:44:52.000 Our plan was, what I said, was like, we gotta put on size to endure damage, but then let's not lose this speed.

00:44:58.000 That was my head coach, Darren Yap, the tactical strength, the best strength and conditioning in all of Hawaii.

00:45:04.000 And if somebody got a problem, then they can meet me somewhere, anywhere.

00:45:09.000 But all jokes aside, he's the man, bro.

00:45:12.000 And he's the one that was like, yeah, look, I know you want to get strong, Max.

00:45:16.000 He's the one that came up with it.

00:45:17.000 He's like, I know you want to get stronger, but we still need your speed, bro.

00:45:20.000 We still need your speed, and we got to outwork this guy.

00:45:24.000 He always weaponized my cardio.

00:45:25.000 He was like, brother, whoever we fight, you're going to outwork him.

00:45:28.000 So let's just get your speed up, stay fast, get a little bit bigger without being too much to get to...

00:45:34.000 He was the main one.

00:45:35.000 He's like, I don't want to give up strength.

00:45:38.000 I don't want to give up conditioning for strength, brother.

00:45:41.000 Because the idea is the more muscle you have, the more endurance it's going to require.

00:45:45.000 Yeah, and especially even with everybody. 0.97

00:45:47.000 I train with bigger guys here and there, and I never ever once felt like, holy shit. 0.96

00:45:52.000 This guy is so much stronger than me. 0.89

00:45:54.000 Like, I never ever once felt that way.

00:45:56.000 You know, you hear these talks of some people saying, oh, this guy's really strong.

00:45:59.000 So, I tried to go with him.

00:46:00.000 I was like, ah, he's alright.

00:46:01.000 You know, it's not like, oh my god, he's gonna be strong.

00:46:04.000 So, I felt like, I know how to fight to my strengths, I guess.

00:46:08.000 Like, yeah, he might be physically stronger than me, but I know certain techniques or certain ways to put my body that I can get away with how strong I am and not make him feel as strong as he is, you know?

00:46:19.000 And that's what it is, you know?

00:46:20.000 I keep telling a lot of these MMA guys or just people coming up, or even our amateur fighters that's coming up, I just keep telling them, like, brother, there's no difference between me and you.

00:46:31.000 The only difference is my experience.

00:46:34.000 Even with UFC fighters, the only difference between top 15 and top 10 is experience and their mindset.

00:46:41.000 Top 10 to 5, experience, mindset.

00:46:44.000 5 to the championship, same thing.

00:46:46.000 And then the champion and maybe the top 3 guys after that.

00:46:48.000 It's just a mind thing, brother. 1.00

00:46:50.000 This shit is easy. 1.00

00:46:51.000 Most of these things that is hard is because you make it hard. 1.00

00:46:54.000 A lot of guys make it hard for themselves.

00:46:56.000 I'm like, what are you doing?

00:46:57.000 You're beating yourself up for what? 1.00

00:46:58.000 This is just fucking practice. 0.99

00:46:59.000 Get better. 1.00

00:47:00.000 That's all you got to do.

00:47:01.000 Stop beating yourself up.

00:47:03.000 But you have a great mentality for that.

00:47:05.000 You're able to go past losses easily.

00:47:07.000 It is what it is, and you keep moving, and you're on the path.

00:47:10.000 But for some people, losses are devastating because their whole identity is based on success.

00:47:16.000 And if they don't get success, then they feel like they're a loser.

00:47:18.000 But even with that, the whole identity thing, that's what it is.

00:47:21.000 Like, even when, like, you see guys retiring from other sports or our sport, like, they have that identity crisis because they're so known for one thing.

00:47:29.000 And that's why I tell them, like, that's why I love doing other stuff.

00:47:32.000 Like, people, bro, oh, my God.

00:47:33.000 I stream.

00:47:34.000 I stream on Kik now.

00:47:35.000 I stream on Kik.com.

00:47:37.000 And, brother, during the whole fight, I'm streaming.

00:47:40.000 They're like, yup!

00:47:42.000 Thank you for this, Max.

00:47:43.000 I'm putting my house on Gaethje now. 1.00

00:47:45.000 He's training while you're playing fucking video games. 1.00

00:47:48.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:47:49.000 I'm like, bro, I need to be training for 24 hours of the day? 1.00

00:47:52.000 Like a fucking cyborg or something? 1.00

00:47:54.000 What the hell? 1.00

00:47:55.000 Like, yup, yup, yup, you, yup. 0.99

00:47:57.000 Look at you over here.

00:47:58.000 I freaking, I do slots in there, you know, I gamble.

00:48:01.000 Like, we play fun. 1.00

00:48:02.000 Yup, look at you doing this shit, losing money. 1.00

00:48:04.000 You're going to lose your fight too? 1.00

00:48:05.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:48:06.000 Like, bro, you can't catch a break, bro. 1.00

00:48:08.000 Those are just losers. 1.00

00:48:10.000 Unfortunately, I don't mean anything bad to you guys out there, but if you're commenting to a guy like that, you're a loser. 1.00

00:48:16.000 There's no way you're a winner. 0.98

00:48:17.000 It's not possible.

00:48:18.000 It's not possible that you're excelling at whatever you do.

00:48:21.000 No one comes to you like, that's Mike, he's the best.

00:48:25.000 No one.

00:48:25.000 No chance.

00:48:26.000 If you're commenting like that on people, you're just, you're a loser. 1.00

00:48:30.000 And that's unfortunate. 1.00

00:48:31.000 I've been a loser in my life, you know? 0.72

00:48:33.000 It's... 0.88

00:48:34.000 It's common. 1.00

00:48:35.000 It's common, but you're a loser. 0.99

00:48:39.000 And winners don't think that way. 1.00

00:48:40.000 The idea that a guy can't play some video games and unwind while he's in the middle of camp, you're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

00:48:45.000 You don't understand. 1.00

00:48:47.000 You don't understand what you're talking about.

00:48:48.000 I like talking to Mighty, because me and Mighty did an interview.

00:48:52.000 Mighty's the best.

00:48:53.000 Yeah, he's the man, and he was just telling me, It's so funny because every time I tell everybody fighting is easy, a lot of people look at me crazy.

00:48:59.000 They're like, what do you mean it's easy?

00:49:00.000 I was like, bro, anything you do in life is easy.

00:49:03.000 It's just that you make it hard. 1.00

00:49:05.000 A lot of assholes make it hard for themselves. 1.00

00:49:08.000 It's actually pretty easy. 1.00

00:49:09.000 If you look at the steps, these are the steps.

00:49:12.000 Yeah, you might fall down.

00:49:13.000 In the sense of actually getting it done, it's going to be hard work.

00:49:18.000 But it's easy because you know what you got to do, right?

00:49:20.000 And I told Mighty, when I told Mighty about fighting, Mighty was the first guy ever that said like...

00:49:24.000 Bro, that's what I tell everybody.

00:49:26.000 I tell fighting is easy. 0.99

00:49:27.000 I was like, holy shit, if the MMA GOAT is telling you fighting is easy, stop harassing me. 0.99

00:49:32.000 Go harass him. 0.99

00:49:33.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:34.000 Go tell him.

00:49:34.000 He said it too.

00:49:35.000 I think it's easy for you and I think it's easy for Mighty because you guys are real champions.

00:49:39.000 You have this champion mindset and that's what people need to learn.

00:49:44.000 They need to learn a mindset for improvement, a mindset for getting better at things, and a mindset for staying positive.

00:49:51.000 100%.

00:49:51.000 That's what it's about.

00:49:54.000 You can apply that to anything in life.

00:49:56.000 So a guy like you that's a champion in MMA, you can do anything, man.

00:50:00.000 All you need is just, like, whatever that thing is, focus on that thing, and if you put the same kind of attention on that thing that you put on your MMA career...

00:50:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:08.000 As I told everybody, I told...

00:50:12.000 It's so funny.

00:50:13.000 Me and my wife, I was like, you're so lucky I wasn't a surfer.

00:50:17.000 I would have been a world champion surfer.

00:50:19.000 She always said, I'm bad at surfing, okay?

00:50:22.000 I'm bad, but I thought, but you're lucky that I don't put my effort into it because I want to be badass.

00:50:26.000 Yeah, I'm sure, and that's a fact.

00:50:28.000 How did you get so good at that jump spinning back kick?

00:50:32.000 Brother, just practice, bro.

00:50:33.000 Did anybody show you the...

00:50:35.000 No, do you remember?

00:50:36.000 Do you remember me telling you?

00:50:38.000 It was here.

00:50:39.000 It's a viral clip about me learning strikes in the game.

00:50:41.000 That was one of the strikes.

00:50:42.000 Yeah.

00:50:43.000 That's one of the strikes, brother.

00:50:44.000 I saw the strikes in the game.

00:50:45.000 I was like, Hen and Baral.

00:50:46.000 Hen and Baral threw it.

00:50:48.000 Threw it nice.

00:50:48.000 I was like, with Dustin Kimura, I told him, brother...

00:50:51.000 We need to do this spinning back kick shit. 1.00

00:50:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:54.000 It's just so good and it's a secret weapon.

00:50:56.000 And the thing is funny because in the game, I was throwing it close.

00:51:00.000 Like a lot of people throw it from distance, but I throw it real close, like almost in clinch.

00:51:05.000 That's why I asked.

00:51:05.000 Yeah, and I told him like, bro, this is going to be a secret weapon.

00:51:09.000 I remember Dustin Kimura, he was in the UFC for a little bit.

00:51:12.000 And I was trying to make him practice it with me. 0.99

00:51:15.000 I remember him saying one time like, Fuck this kick. 1.00

00:51:18.000 This kick is stupid as hell. 1.00

00:51:19.000 And then we kept practicing, kept practicing. 1.00

00:51:23.000 Another guy, a big guy came down, trained us, and he dropped him when it was being back, kicked from the clinch, right? 0.99

00:51:28.000 And I was like, what I told you, brother, I told you this fucking kick is a secret weapon. 0.97

00:51:32.000 How were you practicing it close up? 0.99

00:51:34.000 What's the drill?

00:51:35.000 He would just stand close.

00:51:36.000 I was like, bro, I'd get my timing from it being a distance first, and then we'd be like, live it closer and be like, bro, all we got to focus on is bringing our knee up and then pushing it out at the last second.

00:51:47.000 The main thing was just bringing your knee up and snapping your head around.

00:51:50.000 Snap your head around first, see where you're going to land so you don't kick each other in the freaking groin area because it happened a couple times to me and him.

00:51:58.000 But yeah, it was like bringing you up high, look, and then push it.

00:52:02.000 Do you ever practice where you stand right next to the bag?

00:52:05.000 Yeah, I practice on the bag.

00:52:06.000 Like, touch the bag with your shoulder?

00:52:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:07.000 Try to.

00:52:08.000 And just jumps back and...

00:52:09.000 I create my distance from me jumping away from the bag and then stabbing.

00:52:13.000 Yes, exactly.

00:52:14.000 If you can develop that, that is a secret weapon.

00:52:17.000 Because it's one of those techniques that's like...

00:52:19.000 You remember when the calf kick came along?

00:52:21.000 Everybody's got to throw a calf kick. 0.99

00:52:22.000 If you could develop that...

00:52:24.000 Yair has it.

00:52:25.000 Yair does it really well.

00:52:26.000 But this was a giant moment in the beginning of the fight.

00:52:29.000 Look how close you are.

00:52:30.000 Look how close you are.

00:52:31.000 To be able to get that off from there and to hit him in the nose, his nose was gone.

00:52:36.000 Yeah, it was broken, bro.

00:52:37.000 I mean, you shattered his nose at the very end of the first round and from then on. 0.99

00:52:44.000 What a fucking fight, man. 0.99

00:52:45.000 I watched that fight at least 10 times. 1.00

00:52:48.000 No bullshit. 0.98

00:52:48.000 At least. 0.98

00:52:49.000 I watched it over and over again in the gym.

00:52:51.000 I would lie to tell you if I didn't watch it that much.

00:52:54.000 Dude, I always pause.

00:52:56.000 I always pause.

00:52:57.000 No matter what I'm doing.

00:52:58.000 If I'm at the gym, I pause for that last 10 seconds.

00:53:01.000 Just like this.

00:53:02.000 Like, how is this real?

00:53:04.000 How is this real?

00:53:06.000 You got that jump spinning back kick down, dude.

00:53:08.000 You got it down in the most unusual way, which is the hop back and then throw it.

00:53:13.000 Raymond Daniels does that really good.

00:53:15.000 Yeah, even you.

00:53:16.000 Back in the day, it was a video game, and I started looking at spinning back kicks. 0.99

00:53:20.000 There was a clip of you hitting a fucking kill in the bag, bro. 0.99

00:53:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:53:23.000 I was like... 1.00

00:53:29.000 There's only one clip of me in a Taekwondo fight, and it's me knocking a dude out with a spinning back kick. 0.99

00:53:34.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:53:34.000 And I sent him flying. 0.99

00:53:35.000 But it's the same exact move.

00:53:37.000 The guy's moving forward, and I just jump and spin at the same time.

00:53:40.000 It was the same move, because I was in the air when I landed it.

00:53:43.000 That's crazy.

00:53:44.000 That was my favorite thing to do. 0.99

00:53:45.000 So when I see a guy like you doing it from up close, and I know you learned how to fucking strike from video games, which is so crazy. 0.94

00:53:52.000 When you told me that the first time, I was like, what? 0.93

00:53:54.000 I thought, oh, we went to a traditional karate school, and then he started studying Muay Thai when he was 10. No.

00:54:00.000 No, no, no, no.

00:54:01.000 I saw cool stuff happening in the game.

00:54:03.000 I was like, oh, bro, we could put this together in real life.

00:54:05.000 And, bro, Dustin, we never have a striking coach.

00:54:07.000 You know, I didn't have Ivan yet.

00:54:08.000 And then after the corner fight is when Ivan Flores joined my camp, so...

00:54:12.000 And then with him, bro, Ivan is a genius.

00:54:15.000 He loves the basic stuff, but then when I try to tell him or show him fancy stuff or I see Muay Thai doing shit like sweep the leg and elbow and stuff or whatever, it's crazy.

00:54:27.000 Even this fight week, bro, if you watch the fight, a bunch of times I'm doing this right kick.

00:54:33.000 I do this right kick, and then I just step over on my right hand against Gaethje.

00:54:37.000 Yes.

00:54:38.000 I just saw...

00:54:38.000 We saw that...

00:54:39.000 I practiced that.

00:54:40.000 I threw that a bunch of times in other fights.

00:54:42.000 But then, like, two weeks before the fight, he sent me a clip on Instagram.

00:54:46.000 Like, oh, look at this.

00:54:47.000 Watch this.

00:54:48.000 And was...

00:54:48.000 I forget who it was, but the guy...

00:54:50.000 The way that guy was right kicking, he set up with a right low kick. 0.68

00:54:53.000 Next one, right low kick, right overhand. 0.98

00:54:55.000 And, like, hurt and kills guys. 0.94

00:54:56.000 But he was, like, downing guys with it. 0.91

00:54:57.000 And then I was like... 1.00

00:54:58.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:55:00.000 We know Justin likes to stay there after kicks to throw. 0.99

00:55:04.000 So I was like, brother, this is going to work on Justin.

00:55:07.000 So we just kind of added it in our game.

00:55:08.000 I told him, bro, I think I'm going to throw this in the fight.

00:55:10.000 He's like, yeah, let's practice it.

00:55:11.000 So Ivan Flores is the man, bro.

00:55:14.000 He's the man.

00:55:14.000 You have an amazing camp.

00:55:15.000 Yeah, bro.

00:55:16.000 All my coaches are the man, bro.

00:55:17.000 You really do have an amazing, amazing group of people.

00:55:19.000 But you also, it's the argument that a lot of guys have been making that a smaller camp...

00:55:25.000 Is maybe better for some athletes because there's a lot of guys who want to go to like ATT but you know the guy like I talked to Jim Miller about this and he said that he really started improving much more when he concentrated on himself and had a smaller camp and he stopped teaching and at the end of the day these big camps you know like even even in Vegas bro like I hear everybody going to Vegas and training We're good to go.

00:56:08.000 We're both in the UFC. We're fighting for freaking a lot of money.

00:56:12.000 Like, you better sign that damn contract. 1.00

00:56:14.000 We done kill each other here. 1.00

00:56:15.000 But you, my brother, you know, we done kill each other and stuff for free. 1.00

00:56:18.000 You'd be stupid as hell to not take a fight against me in the UFC or whatever. 0.99

00:56:21.000 But that's different from going to a big gym and like, and actually being worried. 1.00

00:56:26.000 Like, I'm not worried.

00:56:27.000 You know, if we fight, we fight.

00:56:28.000 But like some of these guys, you go in there and fighting your life.

00:56:30.000 It's like a fight every day of the week. 1.00

00:56:32.000 And that shit is going to fucking, like, mentally, brother, that is going to beat you down. 1.00

00:56:36.000 Every day going like, oh my god, I'm fighting for my life here. 1.00

00:56:39.000 Oh my god.

00:56:40.000 Bro, I feel like everybody can call me a liar and whatever, but bro, in the fight, I'm nervous as hell. 0.98

00:56:48.000 In the back, bro, with the Justin fight, this last one, I was telling people, I was like, what the fuck am I doing here? 0.95

00:56:54.000 Why am I fighting Justin? 0.98

00:56:56.000 What the hell are you doing, Max?

00:56:58.000 Bro, I'm not even lying. 0.62

00:56:59.000 I'm in the back.

00:57:00.000 I'm in the back thinking like, what are we doing?

00:57:03.000 You told me this is the last time. 0.80

00:57:05.000 What the hell?

00:57:06.000 It's like, now you're on USC 300. You'd be a million people going to buy this pay-per-view.

00:57:10.000 What the hell are you doing?

00:57:11.000 As soon as the lights come on, I start hearing my song, that's when it changes. 0.93

00:57:16.000 It's go time. 0.99

00:57:17.000 It's like, nah, Max, you can't be fucking working at McDonald's making this much money. 0.98

00:57:20.000 Let's go get this paper. 0.98

00:57:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:23.000 You got to own McDonald's if you're making this much money, brother. 0.99

00:57:26.000 You don't own shit, so let's go get it. 0.99

00:57:27.000 Bro, you can own multiple McDonald's with your next one. 1.00

00:57:29.000 Yeah.

00:57:29.000 After that fight?

00:57:31.000 So that was it, you know?

00:57:32.000 So you got to flip the switch and then...

00:57:35.000 A lot of my coaches, they didn't know my walkout song was funny because they was like, is he going to do it?

00:57:40.000 Because they was waiting for me to walk out to an Israel song, right? 0.72

00:57:42.000 Come out and people are like, is he going to do it?

00:57:44.000 Is he going to do it?

00:57:45.000 And then...

00:57:45.000 We walked up to Hawaiian Superman, Maui, Hawaiian Superman.

00:57:49.000 I loved it, bro.

00:57:50.000 I think it was perfect.

00:57:51.000 You was out there in the crowd.

00:57:52.000 I don't know if you could see it on your screen.

00:57:54.000 They made it look like the ocean, bro.

00:57:56.000 They made me look like it was the ocean.

00:57:59.000 We had to turn in our song so early, bro.

00:58:02.000 Usually, I can turn in my song the week of the fight or the week before the fight.

00:58:06.000 But Heidi hit us up six weeks out. 1.00

00:58:08.000 He's like, hey, we need your guys' walkout song now because we're trying to do something.

00:58:12.000 And then that was what they did.

00:58:14.000 The lights that was on the chairs that all the guys had, they made it go to the song.

00:58:18.000 They made mine look like the ocean so it was wavy.

00:58:21.000 But then Justin's one was sick because every time the beat hit, the lights on the stuff went up.

00:58:27.000 I was like, whoa, that's cool.

00:58:28.000 What was Justin's Walkout song?

00:58:30.000 I forget, but it was a really good song, bro.

00:58:33.000 I liked it.

00:58:34.000 It was a really good song.

00:58:35.000 Yeah, that's some banger walkout songs, man. 1.00

00:58:37.000 But Polaton, when that motherfucker walks out... 1.00

00:58:40.000 I didn't even hear it. 1.00

00:58:42.000 Is it crazy? 1.00

00:58:43.000 Bro, he's the scariest motherfucker when he walks out, because he stands there. 1.00

00:58:46.000 He walks out like this, and then he stands there and draws the bow back and goes... 1.00

00:58:53.000 And then he throws a couple punches.

00:58:55.000 Bro, so you know what is funny?

00:58:58.000 I don't know if you ever watched that kid.

00:59:00.000 He mimics fights, or fighters.

00:59:03.000 He had a kid, so he was at the press conference, bro. 0.98

00:59:06.000 And the whole fucking press conference, I've seen him, and he's trying the one, two, three. 0.99

00:59:09.000 One, two, three, bro, the whole time. 0.99

00:59:11.000 He got busted from a security guard to sit down, but the whole time that I watched him, he was throwing it. 0.86

00:59:16.000 I was like, bro, that kid is crazy.

00:59:18.000 Have you seen Mighty Mouse do everybody? 0.65

00:59:20.000 No, no, no.

00:59:21.000 Mighty Mouse.

00:59:21.000 There's a video of Mighty Mouse where they face swap him.

00:59:24.000 I called him on.

00:59:25.000 I said, why didn't you make mine?

00:59:26.000 He's like, oh, bro, I got you.

00:59:27.000 I got your next one.

00:59:28.000 Yeah, he can do everybody.

00:59:30.000 Yeah, yeah, he's good.

00:59:31.000 But he mimics everyone's style.

00:59:33.000 He does Khabib, he does Conor, he does Sohudo, he does everybody.

00:59:38.000 Bro, he's a beast, bro. 0.95

00:59:39.000 Mighty Mouse is the goat. 0.96

00:59:40.000 He's a man, bro.

00:59:41.000 When I say the best martial artist I've ever seen in terms of the expression of martial arts, he's my favorite.

00:59:48.000 It's him.

00:59:48.000 If you don't have him on top of your...

00:59:53.000 Your MMA Rush Mount War, whatever it is.

00:59:56.000 Yeah, Mount Rushmore.

00:59:57.000 Mount Rushmore, yeah.

00:59:59.000 I think of my son when I said Rush.

01:00:00.000 Mount Rushmore, but if you don't have him on it, you're just a hater.

01:00:04.000 Yeah, you have to be a hater.

01:00:05.000 Everybody keeps talking about, like, even that, like, everybody keeps talking about, like, oh, he's only 125. I was like, I've got the walkouts.

01:00:10.000 Here's Justin.

01:00:11.000 Khabib!

01:00:12.000 Khabib!

01:00:16.000 See, see?

01:00:17.000 It blinks.

01:00:18.000 I don't understand those names on them.

01:00:20.000 What is that?

01:00:21.000 I had this thing going too.

01:00:22.000 Oh, so here's...

01:00:23.000 Show the Mighty Mouse one, because that's incredible.

01:00:27.000 So here's Mighty Mouse pretending to be Cejudo.

01:00:29.000 Strickland!

01:00:30.000 So they switch them up.

01:00:32.000 Strickland.

01:00:33.000 Bro, it looks exactly like him.

01:00:35.000 It's crazy.

01:00:36.000 Pour air!

01:00:46.000 McGregor thought he was good, bro.

01:00:47.000 Oh my god, it's amazing!

01:00:52.000 He does Adesanya too?

01:00:55.000 Yeah.

01:00:55.000 Oh, look at this.

01:00:57.000 Wow.

01:00:59.000 You hear Yuri Prohaska talking about going down to 85?

01:01:02.000 Is he?

01:01:03.000 Yeah, he apparently didn't cut any weight for that fight.

01:01:06.000 Yeah, me and him is managed by the same guy, and that's what I heard too.

01:01:10.000 He's a wild boy.

01:01:11.000 Bro, did you not see that he was outside of UFC 200?

01:01:14.000 Yeah, at 4 o'clock in the morning?

01:01:15.000 Yeah, yeah, outside of UFC 200 on T-Mobile, yeah.

01:01:18.000 And the fans are looking scared as hell to go.

01:01:23.000 That dude's real.

01:01:24.000 He's so cool, bro.

01:01:26.000 He's so cool.

01:01:26.000 Bro, did you not see?

01:01:27.000 He just freaking won.

01:01:29.000 He's the other one that won the 200 bonus, right?

01:01:31.000 And then his first post, I'm back home.

01:01:33.000 I'm in my hut.

01:01:34.000 How are we doing, guys?

01:01:36.000 Bro, he actually lives in that hut in the forest.

01:01:39.000 Does he really?

01:01:40.000 Yeah.

01:01:40.000 Bro, he works out punching trees.

01:01:42.000 Dude's out there throwing front kicks at trees and shit. 1.00

01:01:45.000 The guy is unreal, bro. 1.00

01:01:47.000 The guy is unreal, bro. 0.99

01:01:49.000 He's an animal.

01:01:50.000 Because Rakic was putting it on him, man.

01:01:52.000 And he was just melting Rakic.

01:01:53.000 They're some big dudes.

01:01:55.000 All fight week, when I went to the PI, Rakic was me, Rakic, and Heal.

01:02:01.000 And these, bro, these guys are some big guys, bro. 0.99

01:02:04.000 I'm like, holy shit, you guys are some big dudes. 0.99

01:02:07.000 Yeah, they're huge. 0.99

01:02:08.000 And Yuri at 185 would be terrifying.

01:02:11.000 He's got such a crazy style, man.

01:02:13.000 I mean, there's no one that fights like that guy.

01:02:15.000 Like, if you saw his silhouette, you'd be able to tell instantly, that's Pro Haska.

01:02:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:20.000 But he does have... 0.99

01:02:20.000 Hands down, chin forward, you know, the fucking crazy hair. 0.99

01:02:24.000 Yeah, he's nuts, bro. 1.00

01:02:25.000 The samurai bun. 1.00

01:02:26.000 Bro, he's...

01:02:29.000 He's just a samurai spirit, bro.

01:02:31.000 It's not a facade.

01:02:33.000 No, he really thinks that.

01:02:36.000 He's a real nice guy.

01:02:39.000 You ever talk story to him?

01:02:40.000 Yeah, I've talked to him.

01:02:41.000 He's so nice.

01:02:43.000 He's very quiet.

01:02:44.000 His tone is very, yeah, I'm good, brother. 0.95

01:02:47.000 Bro, he's almost like the guy that you call to go kill somebody for you. 0.98

01:02:52.000 Hitman, you know? 0.97

01:02:52.000 He's like, I need Hitman. 0.97

01:02:54.000 Okay, brother.

01:02:55.000 I got you.

01:02:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:57.000 Exactly.

01:02:58.000 So that fight was a wild fight, too.

01:03:00.000 It's like there's so many fights that got lost. 0.69

01:03:02.000 The fight, your fight, especially that knockout, was so crazy that people forgot that you fucked Justin up the first part of the fifth round. 0.55

01:03:09.000 Like, I kind of forgot about it until I watched it again. 0.83

01:03:12.000 I was like, oh, yeah.

01:03:13.000 He had him almost out.

01:03:14.000 Yeah, almost hurt him.

01:03:15.000 Almost hurt him, but, you know.

01:03:17.000 Oh, you hurt him.

01:03:18.000 Even when...

01:03:20.000 I called my dad, you know, and you're going to love this one.

01:03:24.000 But then I went like this, and when I was flooring him, in every round, every time I hurt him, I'd come in, I'd do a little bit, and if it didn't put him down or hurt him more, I just backed off.

01:03:33.000 Because everybody's like, why is he not attacking?

01:03:35.000 Why is he not attacking?

01:03:36.000 I'm like, brother, every time I hurt him, he had the craziest look in his eyes, brother.

01:03:41.000 And one time he said, let's get it on.

01:03:44.000 So I was okay, you know?

01:03:45.000 I was like, nah, I'm okay, brother.

01:03:47.000 I'm here.

01:03:47.000 I'm going to keep picking you, you know?

01:03:49.000 But he did, he did.

01:03:50.000 But all jokes inside, he did have the craziest look in his eyes, brother.

01:03:53.000 It was crazy.

01:03:54.000 I was like, why are you even standing, bro?

01:03:57.000 And then I was just thinking, yeah, you're right.

01:03:59.000 You're Justin Gaethje. 0.80

01:04:00.000 You're a freaking highlight, you know? 1.00

01:04:02.000 Well, he said the wildest shit before the fight. 0.99

01:04:04.000 He said, I don't make plans after my fights because I don't plan on being alive. 1.00

01:04:08.000 Yeah, when I saw that, I was like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:04:11.000 Is this guy human? 0.99

01:04:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:13.000 How the hell did he get led into Wakanda?

01:04:15.000 It's not a very Wakanda mindset, you know?

01:04:20.000 Oh, there's one thing that has come up that I think we probably should talk about.

01:04:25.000 And it's the Pajeda Jamal Hill knockout.

01:04:28.000 And it's an interesting thing that was brought up.

01:04:31.000 And I didn't think anything of it at the time.

01:04:34.000 And then I watched it again.

01:04:35.000 I was like, hmm, there's kind of a point there.

01:04:38.000 And the point is...

01:04:41.000 Jamal accidentally hits him low.

01:04:43.000 He like kicks him in the hip and Herb Dean comes in to stop it and then Pejera does the super gangster thing. 1.00

01:04:52.000 But in the meantime Jamal has stopped and relaxed after he threw the kick.

01:04:57.000 He gives him a thumbs up like you cool and then Pejera advances and And then Herb is to the left, so it's like he can't even move too much to the left, and all of a sudden he's on him and he hits him with that left hook.

01:05:11.000 And I think Jamal's saying, I would have never let him that close to me if it wasn't for that nut shot, and I didn't know exactly what was going on. 1.00

01:05:18.000 So Herb had stopped it.

01:05:20.000 Herb is out of his field of vision.

01:05:22.000 Herb is over here.

01:05:23.000 So when Herb's doing this, I don't know what he said.

01:05:26.000 I don't know.

01:05:27.000 Let's see if we can watch it.

01:05:28.000 I think so.

01:05:30.000 I know what you're saying.

01:05:31.000 Because even there, he stands there and kind of like half touch gloves with him, right?

01:05:37.000 And Alex is like, you didn't touch gloves to step in, see it.

01:05:41.000 And then Alex throws the left hook, right?

01:05:43.000 Alex steps on his foot.

01:05:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:44.000 Steps on his foot.

01:05:45.000 That's the old boxing shirt, brother.

01:05:47.000 The old boxing shirt.

01:05:48.000 Southpaw and orthodox.

01:05:49.000 Yeah, I love that. 0.92

01:05:49.000 So he steps on his front foot and then hits him with that left hook from hell. 0.92

01:05:52.000 His left hook is a crazy weapon, man. 0.90

01:05:55.000 That thing doesn't even look hard.

01:05:57.000 It's crazy.

01:05:58.000 Tell me not.

01:05:59.000 It just looks like...

01:06:00.000 Did you not see the jolt that it sent down his body?

01:06:03.000 Yeah, you see his eyes roll back.

01:06:05.000 He almost did a...

01:06:07.000 Was he the one that knocked out Johnny Walker?

01:06:09.000 Yeah.

01:06:09.000 He almost did the Johnny Walker.

01:06:12.000 His body kind of extended.

01:06:13.000 That was kind of crazy.

01:06:15.000 Crazy.

01:06:15.000 And it was a glancing blow.

01:06:17.000 Glancing, brother.

01:06:18.000 And it wasn't even a hook.

01:06:19.000 It was like an uppercut hook.

01:06:20.000 Yeah, like a shovel hook.

01:06:21.000 Yeah. 0.91

01:06:22.000 Like a Mexican hook. 0.96

01:06:23.000 The way he lands it, man. 1.00

01:06:26.000 He don't give a shit, bro. 0.98

01:06:27.000 The fight that he got before he fought in the UFC, did you ever see that one? 0.99

01:06:31.000 No.

01:06:31.000 Is the most vicious left hook knockout of all time.

01:06:34.000 For real?

01:06:34.000 He hits a dude with a high kick, the guy blocks it, he steps, the guy stabs, whack!

01:06:39.000 He just cleanly, you know, he's got that long frame, he's so long, and there's all this torque, and he just torques his whole body and whips across.

01:06:49.000 It sounds like a baseball bat hitting a watermelon.

01:06:53.000 Just whop!

01:06:53.000 And the dude just drops face plants.

01:06:56.000 How are people just have that kind of power, right?

01:06:58.000 His power is crazy.

01:07:00.000 He punched the machine.

01:07:02.000 The machine I saw!

01:07:03.000 191. How much was your spinning back kick one?

01:07:06.000 You kicked it, right?

01:07:06.000 I never kicked it with spinning back kick.

01:07:07.000 But with a roundhouse kick, I got to 152. That's crazy.

01:07:12.000 But the difference between that and 190 with one punch?

01:07:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:16.000 Here it is.

01:07:18.000 Eclipse.

01:07:18.000 Now let's back it up again because let's make the argument.

01:07:21.000 Let's see what happens.

01:07:22.000 So go all the way to the nut shot.

01:07:24.000 So here's the nut shot.

01:07:26.000 So now, watch Jamal.

01:07:28.000 Jamal stops.

01:07:29.000 Watch his legs step.

01:07:30.000 His legs lock up.

01:07:31.000 He's relaxed.

01:07:32.000 He gives a thumbs up.

01:07:33.000 We cool?

01:07:34.000 And he touches Herb.

01:07:36.000 So now they're back at it.

01:07:37.000 Yeah, but look at his stance.

01:07:39.000 He's ready.

01:07:40.000 Yeah, Pajeda has never relaxed.

01:07:43.000 So this time has gone on.

01:07:45.000 This is a little...

01:07:46.000 We're doing it in slow motion, right?

01:07:47.000 Let's do it in real speed.

01:07:49.000 So here we see this.

01:07:52.000 So...

01:07:54.000 You know, the fight had restarted.

01:07:56.000 The fight had restarted, but would that position have taken place if it wasn't for Jamal relaxing, giving him the thumbs up?

01:08:05.000 So, you know, like, not his fight.

01:08:07.000 So my fight, the number one thing when I was going with Justin was just be on all the time.

01:08:12.000 Right. 0.98

01:08:13.000 Like, just fucking max. 0.98

01:08:14.000 I was just in the back of myself. 0.99

01:08:16.000 Mentally, physically, you need to be here every fucking second. 0.99

01:08:20.000 Every millisecond, brother. 0.99

01:08:22.000 Which is crazy.

01:08:24.000 One millisecond off, lights can turn off, Max.

01:08:27.000 You need to be on.

01:08:28.000 So that was the main thing that I was telling myself the whole fight. 0.99

01:08:31.000 With that, if I was in a situation, I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:08:34.000 I would have told Herb Dink, motherfucker, are we going? 1.00

01:08:37.000 I would have been like, come on. 1.00

01:08:39.000 I still would have been ready.

01:08:40.000 Protect yourself at all times.

01:08:42.000 There is a weird millisecond where no one knows what's going on.

01:08:46.000 And when Pajeda is still moving forward...

01:08:49.000 But Pajeda is in...

01:08:50.000 Look at Pajeda.

01:08:51.000 He's...

01:08:51.000 That millisecond, he's still like...

01:08:53.000 He's gonna burn out your ass. 1.00

01:08:54.000 So watch it again. 1.00

01:08:55.000 Watch it again.

01:08:56.000 So the low kick.

01:08:58.000 And then as Jamal...

01:09:00.000 Stop it.

01:09:01.000 Go all the way from the beginning.

01:09:02.000 Watch this.

01:09:03.000 So when Jamal lands the kick...

01:09:05.000 He touches him, and then he makes...

01:09:07.000 Look at the distance he closes.

01:09:08.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:09.000 Look how close he is.

01:09:10.000 He closed the distance, but back it up again.

01:09:13.000 So you see the distance that Jamal's maintaining initially.

01:09:16.000 Then he throws the kick.

01:09:17.000 Now watch this.

01:09:19.000 They pause.

01:09:19.000 Jamal thumbs up.

01:09:20.000 But Pajeda's closed the gap now.

01:09:22.000 Right there.

01:09:23.000 Look how close he is.

01:09:24.000 He's closed the gap a lot more than Jamal probably would have let him.

01:09:28.000 Now, it's a mistake by Jamal, protect yourself at all times.

01:09:31.000 Yeah.

01:09:31.000 But also, it does seem like there's a moment of confusion.

01:09:35.000 There is, there is.

01:09:36.000 Because he does close that distance.

01:09:37.000 He does, bro.

01:09:38.000 Significantly.

01:09:39.000 It's like a double step.

01:09:40.000 Watch.

01:09:40.000 From here to there.

01:09:41.000 He hops into it.

01:09:43.000 Yeah, look.

01:09:43.000 Right there.

01:09:43.000 Hop, hop.

01:09:44.000 Yeah, and now you're in the danger zone. 1.00

01:09:46.000 That's fucking Kenny Rogers or Kenny Loggins. 1.00

01:09:48.000 Ha! 1.00

01:09:48.000 Highway to the danger zone! 1.00

01:09:52.000 And so once he does that, that little hop in, he takes advantage of that moment to close the gap.

01:09:59.000 The left hook is so clean, bro.

01:10:00.000 Look at this.

01:10:01.000 So he doesn't stop when Herb stops him.

01:10:04.000 When he puts Herb off, he closes the gap.

01:10:06.000 He closes the distance and then to Herb stop.

01:10:09.000 Or during the whole time.

01:10:10.000 So watch it.

01:10:11.000 It's this, so he touches it, he hops, closes the distance, while Jamal's legs are straight.

01:10:17.000 So Jamal gives him the thumbs up, and Pejeda had a double hop in that time.

01:10:23.000 And Jamal didn't know.

01:10:25.000 Yeah, this is a real moment.

01:10:27.000 Now, I'm not making any excuses for Jamal.

01:10:30.000 And Jamal can take a loss as good as anybody. 0.97

01:10:33.000 And after the Paul Craig fight, he's like, I fucked up, you got me, this is it. 0.97

01:10:36.000 But he's got a point here. 0.83

01:10:39.000 It's not a perfect point because they had engaged again, but Pajeda had closed that gap to a point where Jamal was not letting him do that early. 0.99

01:10:49.000 But then again, playing devil advocate, nothing but love for Jamal, but fuck, bro, you need to be locked in there. 1.00

01:10:57.000 Who the fuck cares? 1.00

01:10:59.000 You're fighting another dangerous man, a man across from you that you know each other. 1.00

01:11:04.000 You guys land one good shot.

01:11:05.000 You guys both can put each other away.

01:11:07.000 It's like...

01:11:08.000 I don't know, bro.

01:11:09.000 Because at the end of the day...

01:11:10.000 It's a mistake on his part.

01:11:11.000 Yeah, it is.

01:11:12.000 Because you always have to be ready. 0.98

01:11:13.000 But with her, like, it sucks, you know? 0.95

01:11:15.000 Like, how much times do we hear a freaking judge or even a ref screwing up the fight? 1.00

01:11:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:24.000 So it's like, you need to, like, anybody, fighters, amateur level, pro level, the best fighters in the world, whatever it is, don't put it in these guys' hands, man.

01:11:36.000 I mean, it's easier said than done, but don't leave it, you know?

01:11:38.000 Be aware that's a factor.

01:11:40.000 Yeah, just be aware, you know?

01:11:41.000 Like, you do have a third man in there.

01:11:43.000 They are supposed to be looking out for you, but how much time do we see where sometimes that's just not the case?

01:11:49.000 Or it's just too early, you know?

01:11:50.000 So, at the end of the day... 1.00

01:11:53.000 Fuck, it sucks, but what are you going to do there? 1.00

01:11:55.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:11:55.000 Like, all we're going to do is we're going to have this kind of talks and arguments, and he's going to have arguments and stuff, and nothing's going to get changed. 1.00

01:12:02.000 But here's the question, like, what is the protocol?

01:12:04.000 When a referee steps in and says, stop, because there's a low...

01:12:09.000 Even with him telling them stop, the protocol should have been like, okay...

01:12:12.000 Separate.

01:12:12.000 Okay, whatever.

01:12:13.000 Go back to the middle.

01:12:14.000 Like, you pushed him against the cage, whatever, and we saw you hop...

01:12:17.000 Okay, you want me to stop?

01:12:19.000 Back up a little bit.

01:12:20.000 He needs to go in the middle of them and be like, okay, fight.

01:12:23.000 Right.

01:12:23.000 You can't be like, get stopped and then you move off to the side.

01:12:25.000 Okay, fight. 0.98

01:12:26.000 Fight to here because if what's his name, Jamal couldn't see him.

01:12:31.000 I can understand, like, in his peripherals, like, he's just focused, you know?

01:12:34.000 Right.

01:12:34.000 And then maybe stuff says fight, and I'm just focused on you.

01:12:37.000 Like, okay, what's going on, you know?

01:12:38.000 Right.

01:12:39.000 There's definitely an argument that if you're going to do that, and you're going to stop the fight momentarily, even if you're going to restart it, you have to understand that the momentum has stopped.

01:12:50.000 Things have changed.

01:12:51.000 And if one guy does this, and hops in during that time, you kind of...

01:12:56.000 Have to step and separate them and then engage.

01:13:00.000 So he does, the engage, he goes off to the side.

01:13:03.000 But now the argument against that that I've heard is that this happens all the times where fighters get kicked and the referee says, hold on, the fighter says, I'm fine, and then they let him keep going.

01:13:12.000 So, maybe that's a good argument, too, that Jamal should have been more prepared.

01:13:19.000 But it seems like he had actually told them to stop, and that's when Jamal did this.

01:13:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:25.000 Alex, yeah, yeah.

01:13:26.000 Excuse me, Alex did this.

01:13:28.000 So, is that...

01:13:30.000 What are the rules?

01:13:32.000 Yeah, what are the rules?

01:13:33.000 Like when the referee says stop, are the fighters allowed to say no, I'm fine, or are they supposed to address the referee and say I'm fine?

01:13:43.000 He said time?

01:13:44.000 Yeah, he says time, and he puts his hand up, and now where's Herb Dean?

01:13:48.000 Herb Dean moves away.

01:13:49.000 Jamal does not have eyes on him.

01:13:51.000 Yeah, he's looking at him because he's not trying to get cracked.

01:13:54.000 But Alex is much closer to him now.

01:13:56.000 Yeah, he's much closer, but look at the angle that he takes too.

01:14:01.000 Alex is cutting off the cage there, bro.

01:14:05.000 You're pushing him to his right to cut off the cage, bro.

01:14:08.000 And Herb is right to Jamal's left.

01:14:10.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:14:13.000 Yeah, it was beautiful. 0.97

01:14:15.000 He's a monster. 0.98

01:14:16.000 That guy's a monster. 0.99

01:14:17.000 I was telling everybody about that guy when he was in glory. 0.94

01:14:20.000 I remember. 0.99

01:14:20.000 When they were saying he was coming over to the UFC, I told DC, I go, dude, get ready for this motherfucker. 0.99

01:14:26.000 Because this motherfucker puts people into orbit. 1.00

01:14:29.000 He's got crazy power. 1.00

01:14:32.000 Wormholes, bro.

01:14:34.000 Universe.

01:14:34.000 Different universes.

01:14:35.000 You wake up on the other side of the galaxy.

01:14:36.000 Brother, he might have...

01:14:38.000 Actually, you know, since we're talking about Wakanda, he might be like a Doctor Strange guy.

01:14:42.000 He might have the ring on, brother.

01:14:43.000 Look underneath his glove or something.

01:14:44.000 That's what's happening, bro.

01:14:46.000 Well, what he is is a real Amazon warrior.

01:14:49.000 Like, that's his genius.

01:14:50.000 Yeah, you see him, bro.

01:14:51.000 You see him go back to his village?

01:14:53.000 Yeah.

01:14:54.000 Oh, painted up and stuff like a leopard?

01:14:56.000 Yeah, bro.

01:14:57.000 Bro, guy's a G, bro. 0.98

01:14:58.000 He's a G. He's the real deal.

01:14:59.000 He's a real deal.

01:15:00.000 He's a man. 0.99

01:15:01.000 How the fuck was he ever making 185 is the big question. 0.97

01:15:04.000 And how much do you think that compromised his chin when he went down 185? 0.98

01:15:07.000 A lot, bro.

01:15:08.000 So the thing is, you know what is crazy?

01:15:11.000 Here's the walk.

01:15:12.000 Look at his foot. 1.00

01:15:13.000 Bro, that shit is terrifying. 1.00

01:15:16.000 Look at his eyes, man. 1.00

01:15:22.000 And everybody just...

01:15:23.000 And he told Jamal, when I make my walk-in, then you'll think about all these things you said.

01:15:28.000 He said, yeah, he did.

01:15:34.000 Ha! 0.89

01:15:34.000 And the whole audience yells out, Ha! 0.89

01:15:36.000 with him!

01:15:38.000 Look at Jamal though.

01:15:40.000 He caught the, did you see the other angle?

01:15:42.000 He caught the arrow, he broke it.

01:15:44.000 Yeah.

01:15:44.000 That was cool.

01:15:45.000 Jamal was telling me, when I talked to him about it, he said he feels like he was winning that fight.

01:15:50.000 He said he was implementing his strategy, he landed that one good right hook in the first round, and he felt like he was on his way. 0.62

01:15:58.000 He felt like he was doing everything he wanted to do, not letting that dude get close, but that thing fucked him up.

01:16:04.000 There's a real moment there.

01:16:06.000 That's a sport, right?

01:16:07.000 That's a sport, right?

01:16:09.000 You know what is funny, brother?

01:16:11.000 Nothing to Jamal or whatever, but what is crazy is that when I see comments or I see people talking about our fight, And guys are bringing up like, oh yeah, just imagine if Justin didn't break his nose.

01:16:25.000 It would have been a whole different fight.

01:16:26.000 I'm like, well, thank the Lord I landed my spitting back kick because his nose was broken.

01:16:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:16:31.000 Imagine if you didn't knock him out.

01:16:33.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

01:16:33.000 Or just imagine if I broke my ankle walking into the freaking octagon. 0.98

01:16:37.000 There's so much stuff. 0.99

01:16:38.000 I'm like, people are so crazy.

01:16:41.000 I'm like, oh my God, just enjoy it.

01:16:43.000 Why can't you guys enjoy it?

01:16:44.000 Why can't you guys let other people have stuff?

01:16:47.000 Why can't we have nice stuff?

01:16:48.000 This is why we can't have good things. 0.96

01:16:50.000 Again, it's just losers, you know?

01:16:53.000 You think Michael Jordan's leaving YouTube comments? 0.97

01:16:55.000 No.

01:16:56.000 Oh brother, never. 1.00

01:16:56.000 It's winners don't have time for that shit, but that's also part of the game. 1.00

01:17:00.000 Yeah, it is. 1.00

01:17:01.000 You're gonna have to deal with those people.

01:17:03.000 It is, it is.

01:17:03.000 How anybody can say, imagine if you didn't land something that you landed, that you planned for, that you executed.

01:17:10.000 That's very hard to pull off.

01:17:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:12.000 A spinning back kick where you literally ride in front of each other like that, and you land into his face.

01:17:17.000 Yeah, bro.

01:17:17.000 We knew he was going to duck.

01:17:19.000 He was looking for a time, you know?

01:17:20.000 Yeah, it was perfect.

01:17:21.000 It was perfect.

01:17:22.000 And it was such a great moment on that night, because that night was magical.

01:17:28.000 Bro, UFC 300. My head is still not wrapped around it.

01:17:33.000 You know, like how you said, how do I feel?

01:17:34.000 I don't know how I feel yet.

01:17:35.000 Because it's still not wrapped around it.

01:17:37.000 To have that, to...

01:17:39.000 To be one of the guys to...

01:17:42.000 It started from all the way outside of fight, brother.

01:17:44.000 Somebody asked me to get the belt wrapped around Mark Coleman.

01:17:48.000 Like, when they asked me who, I think, and then I said Mark Coleman.

01:17:51.000 You know, I'm like, bro, he's the guy.

01:17:52.000 His house with his fires and stuff just happened.

01:17:55.000 So I was like, he's the man.

01:17:56.000 And then to it being UFC 300, to us getting asked, oh, what about the...

01:18:02.000 How much should the freaking bonuses be?

01:18:04.000 And I'm freaking screaming, 300K! 300K! 300K! 300k!

01:18:07.000 And Dustin, and freaking Dana to be like, 300k! 0.99

01:18:11.000 I was like, holy shit! 0.99

01:18:12.000 And to win both the bonuses? 0.99

01:18:14.000 That was wild.

01:18:15.000 It was just crazy.

01:18:17.000 And then to have the, like you said, bro, that's a movie finish, bro.

01:18:20.000 To hit him with an over... 0.89

01:18:21.000 To hit...

01:18:22.000 It was like a David vs.

01:18:23.000 Goliath kind of story.

01:18:25.000 Going against him. 0.97

01:18:26.000 To hit him with that overhand is like me hitting him with the slingshot.

01:18:31.000 And The Rock at the perfect place, perfect time.

01:18:35.000 Bro, this is UFC 300. An event getting put together, this is not going to top nothing until 400. And we don't even know if 400 is going to top it.

01:18:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:45.000 We don't know.

01:18:47.000 It's going to be almost impossible to top that.

01:18:50.000 Like, every card after that, you look at the card, you're like, eh, it's okay.

01:18:53.000 Yeah.

01:18:54.000 It's pretty good.

01:18:54.000 I know, it's crazy.

01:18:56.000 That card was insane.

01:18:56.000 It's crazy.

01:18:57.000 And then a lot of people, and then, bro, Dana White is the, he's the ultimate troll, bro.

01:19:01.000 I love, I love Dana White, then when they troll people, when they, you saw the video.

01:19:04.000 When he made the video, yeah.

01:19:04.000 Yeah, brother, when he saw the video, he's calling out.

01:19:06.000 You know how much people on top of that video, too, also did videos of me talking about how I was, like, undergun and pillow all the way, pillow hands all the way, he's gonna get killed.

01:19:17.000 Amazing.

01:19:17.000 I'm going to be the first Tony 2.0 or whatever.

01:19:20.000 I was like, brother, you guys just watch.

01:19:23.000 All their tones change and now they're making money off of me.

01:19:25.000 I should go write them all the money and be like, hey, brother, you owe me 10% of YouTube.

01:19:31.000 There's all these people that have these takes where they know what's going to happen. 0.99

01:19:34.000 It's such a stupid thing to do. 0.99

01:19:36.000 You don't know what's going to happen. 1.00

01:19:38.000 You can talk about someone's strengths.

01:19:39.000 Opinion, yeah.

01:19:40.000 You can have an opinion, but when people say stuff like that, I'm like, well, that's crazy. 0.99

01:19:43.000 It's just dumb. 1.00

01:19:44.000 It's just dumb. 0.99

01:19:45.000 You should talk about someone's skills and what they can do, and this could be a factor, and that could be a factor. 0.99

01:19:51.000 But to say, this is going to happen, that is folly. 0.99

01:19:54.000 That's a stupid way to look at things. 0.99

01:19:56.000 There's not a chance in hell that you know when two world-class martial artists fight. 1.00

01:20:01.000 There's no chance.

01:20:03.000 There's no chance you know.

01:20:04.000 I saw a lot of people doing that with the fight this past weekend with Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia.

01:20:14.000 Everybody was counting out Ryan Garcia.

01:20:16.000 So many people.

01:20:17.000 Did you see how much he bet himself?

01:20:19.000 Two million bucks.

01:20:20.000 Can we do that on ourselves? 0.77

01:20:22.000 What the hell?

01:20:22.000 How much did he win?

01:20:23.000 Twelve million.

01:20:24.000 So he bet $2 million to win $12 million.

01:20:26.000 To win $12 million.

01:20:27.000 And he paid $2.1 million in fees.

01:20:31.000 So he won $10 million.

01:20:32.000 I think he paid $1.5 million in fees because he's three pounds over, right?

01:20:35.000 So he paid $1.5 million to Haney because he said $500 every weight, right?

01:20:41.000 Every pound.

01:20:41.000 And he had to pay the extra $600 or $500 to the commission.

01:20:46.000 Wow.

01:20:47.000 So it was like $2.1 million he had, bro. 0.99

01:20:51.000 And he bet on himself, he's like, bro, I don't give a shit. 0.99

01:20:54.000 That's a wild boy. 0.99

01:20:55.000 I got a $2 million bet.

01:20:55.000 Yeah, good for him.

01:20:56.000 That's a wild boy.

01:20:57.000 Dude, that left hook he has is a thing of beauty.

01:20:59.000 It's fast, bro.

01:20:59.000 It's so fast, bro.

01:21:00.000 It's so fast.

01:21:01.000 It's so fast.

01:21:02.000 Bro, and it's so fast and it hits so hard because even...

01:21:05.000 Did you see the way Haney, like... 0.85

01:21:06.000 Not only Haney, but every time he lands it on anybody, they're like...

01:21:10.000 Yeah.

01:21:11.000 They go, whoa.

01:21:12.000 Yeah, they're getting like...

01:21:14.000 Shocked.

01:21:14.000 It comes at you so much faster than other punches.

01:21:17.000 It reminds me a lot of Roy Jones in his prime.

01:21:19.000 Yeah.

01:21:19.000 Like, Roy Jones Jr. in his prime barely threw jabs, which is so crazy that a guy would be so fast that he could hit you with a leaping left hook.

01:21:27.000 Yeah, because his jab was a leaping left hook.

01:21:29.000 Crazy.

01:21:30.000 You ever seen his biceps, the difference? 0.96

01:21:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:21:32.000 His left biceps twice the size of his right bicep.

01:21:35.000 It's nuts.

01:21:35.000 He might have been an arm wrestler then.

01:21:37.000 Who knows?

01:21:38.000 Roy Jones had the craziest style of all time.

01:21:41.000 When he was in his prime, that dude was untouchable.

01:21:45.000 Every fight was an execution. 0.98

01:21:46.000 Bro, crazy. 0.99

01:21:47.000 Bodyhead bangers, bro. 0.99

01:21:49.000 He was a... 0.99

01:21:49.000 He was so fat. 0.99

01:21:51.000 He was the only guy in CompuBox history that didn't get a single punch landed on him in a round.

01:21:56.000 For real?

01:21:57.000 Yeah.

01:21:57.000 When he fought Vinny Pazienza.

01:21:59.000 Didn't get a single punch.

01:22:00.000 Boom! 0.99

01:22:00.000 Jump left hook in. 0.99

01:22:01.000 That's all he did.

01:22:01.000 And then he just put it on him.

01:22:02.000 And then he tried to stop the fight himself.

01:22:05.000 He looked at the referee.

01:22:06.000 He's like, stop this fight.

01:22:07.000 And the referee's like, keep fighting.

01:22:08.000 And he's like, all right.

01:22:09.000 And he goes like that.

01:22:10.000 He does like that.

01:22:11.000 And he just tunes him up and KOs him. 0.65

01:22:13.000 Bro, what a beast, bro. 0.94

01:22:15.000 What a beast. 0.86

01:22:16.000 But that left hook is a weapon. 0.88

01:22:18.000 If you got a left hook like Ryan Garcia, like, my God, that thing's fast.

01:22:22.000 Ryan?

01:22:22.000 Freaking Pereira?

01:22:24.000 How smart is Javante for making him go to 135 and then giving him a weight clause?

01:22:30.000 You can't rehydrate more than 10 pounds.

01:22:32.000 Who's behind him?

01:22:33.000 Who's behind him, brother?

01:22:34.000 Money Mayweather.

01:22:35.000 That guy is smart, bro.

01:22:37.000 That guy is a businessman.

01:22:38.000 These guys are businessmen.

01:22:40.000 Same thing that Floyd did to Canelo.

01:22:42.000 Yeah.

01:22:43.000 Same exact thing.

01:22:44.000 And you know what's more funny?

01:22:46.000 Canelo then played into his game and said, no, you know what?

01:22:49.000 We'll come down to this weight.

01:22:50.000 He didn't ask.

01:22:51.000 He was going to give them the extra five, but then with a weight clause.

01:22:54.000 And he said, oh, what?

01:22:55.000 You want to come here?

01:22:56.000 You can come here and a weight clause.

01:22:58.000 Bro, he's a businessman, bro.

01:23:00.000 And you got to respect it.

01:23:02.000 Yes.

01:23:02.000 Yes, you have to.

01:23:03.000 And for Gervonta, that was perfect.

01:23:04.000 Because I would love to see Ryan Garcia, the one that we saw, fully hydrated against Devin Haney, against Gervonta.

01:23:11.000 He's a problem.

01:23:12.000 He's going to be a problem.

01:23:13.000 For everybody.

01:23:14.000 He's going to be a problem, bro.

01:23:15.000 That speed is bananas. 0.78

01:23:16.000 Yeah.

01:23:17.000 You ever seen Shadowbox throw combinations?

01:23:19.000 Oh, yeah, bro.

01:23:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:20.000 Is this sped up?

01:23:21.000 How are you so fast?

01:23:22.000 Yeah.

01:23:23.000 It's...

01:23:24.000 It's not fair.

01:23:25.000 He might have one of the fastest left hooks I've ever seen.

01:23:27.000 For sure.

01:23:28.000 I mean, it's right up there with everybody, all the great left hookers of the past. 1.00

01:23:32.000 The crazy thing is like, bro, he don't even bring it out.

01:23:35.000 He just goes from right here.

01:23:36.000 Right there.

01:23:36.000 Like a whip.

01:23:38.000 And just kills guys. 1.00

01:23:39.000 He has so much power from short distance. 0.99

01:23:42.000 Just nothing.

01:23:43.000 Just turns it over.

01:23:44.000 And he can hit you with multiple ones in a row.

01:23:46.000 He just keeps trolling the folks.

01:23:48.000 He doesn't even believe in jabs.

01:23:49.000 And the funny thing was the troll job.

01:23:53.000 Bro, when he talked about...

01:23:55.000 I just saw the interview the other night.

01:23:57.000 He did Patrick Bet David.

01:23:58.000 Yeah, when he did the...

01:23:59.000 He was like, you know that one interview?

01:24:01.000 I was like, doing all that stuff.

01:24:03.000 People thought I was crazy. 0.99

01:24:05.000 I was like, bro, I don't give a shit. 0.99

01:24:06.000 I was like, whoa. 0.99

01:24:07.000 I was like, wow.

01:24:08.000 I was like, this guy, bro, he should be an actor.

01:24:10.000 Yeah, he really had a smart strategy. 0.97

01:24:13.000 Act like he was crazy.

01:24:15.000 Act like he was crazy, come in three pounds heavy, and just, bro, he sold it all the way to getting into that, bro. 0.57

01:24:22.000 I bet him coming in three pounds heavy made the line move more towards Haney.

01:24:26.000 Oh, I'm sure.

01:24:27.000 Like, this guy's not training.

01:24:28.000 Yeah, he's out of shape.

01:24:30.000 He didn't prepare. 1.00

01:24:30.000 He's crazy. 1.00

01:24:31.000 He's mentally unstable. 1.00

01:24:32.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:24:33.000 Joke's on you, brother.

01:24:35.000 He laughed straight to the back.

01:24:36.000 And there was some bad refereeing in that fight, too, because there was two knockdowns.

01:24:39.000 Yeah, two drops, and it didn't count.

01:24:40.000 That was crazy.

01:24:41.000 Real bad.

01:24:42.000 Real bad.

01:24:42.000 Those were two legitimate knockdowns.

01:24:44.000 In a round where he already knocked him down once.

01:24:46.000 So he knocked him down three times in that fight.

01:24:48.000 Wouldn't that have been like a TKO already?

01:24:51.000 I don't know if they had a three knockdown rule.

01:24:53.000 It wasn't for the title, right?

01:24:56.000 Because Devin gets to keep the title.

01:24:58.000 So I think so, it was, yeah, yeah, he keep the title.

01:25:00.000 But even if he win, I think so, he would have had the, I mean, whatever. 1.00

01:25:04.000 Yeah, but fuck that title. 1.00

01:25:05.000 Like, that's crazy. 1.00

01:25:06.000 Keeping that title's crazy.

01:25:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:08.000 Bro, you know what's more crazy?

01:25:11.000 There's a post of him being like, yeah, I still got the title.

01:25:14.000 I'm like, wow.

01:25:15.000 Yeah.

01:25:16.000 It's kind of crazy to think, yeah.

01:25:17.000 Well, I was just trying to come up with some sort of...

01:25:19.000 I mean, he got humiliated.

01:25:21.000 Yeah.

01:25:21.000 I mean, he got humbled.

01:25:22.000 It sucks, bro. 0.99

01:25:22.000 This fight game is wild, bro. 0.99

01:25:24.000 It's a wild game.

01:25:26.000 It's the most craziest game ever, brother.

01:25:28.000 Most ruthless game.

01:25:29.000 You be on top of the world one day, and we'll fight like that, you're just...

01:25:32.000 No one even cares, you know, anymore.

01:25:34.000 Yep.

01:25:35.000 Yeah.

01:25:36.000 It's crazy.

01:25:37.000 Yeah, you could be Ben Askren, you know?

01:25:39.000 And boom, one shot, and then that's what everybody remembers.

01:25:43.000 He has an amazing career, dominates in Bellator, dominated in one FC, comes over to America, beats Robbie Lawler in a weird one.

01:25:52.000 Remember that?

01:25:52.000 Yeah, he slammed him.

01:25:53.000 No, he had him in a headlock, and Robbie wasn't out.

01:25:56.000 Robbie was defending, and they thought, I don't know who made that call.

01:26:00.000 I forget who was the referee, but they thought he was out, and he wasn't out. 0.99

01:26:04.000 And Robbie's like, what the fuck? 0.98

01:26:05.000 I wasn't out? 0.99

01:26:06.000 And they called the fight.

01:26:08.000 And then Jorge hit, brother.

01:26:09.000 Street Jesus. 1.00

01:26:10.000 Street Jesus hits him with some fucking nuclear lightning. 1.00

01:26:14.000 Brother. 1.00

01:26:15.000 The sprint?

01:26:16.000 Oh my God.

01:26:16.000 And then turn the angle.

01:26:18.000 Like, he cuts angles.

01:26:19.000 Yeah.

01:26:19.000 So that Ben, like, his instincts kick in.

01:26:22.000 Yeah.

01:26:22.000 Like, shoot for the takedown.

01:26:23.000 Yeah.

01:26:23.000 Runs right at him, and it just goes right into him, man.

01:26:26.000 And then he does the freaking three pin.

01:26:28.000 Tap, tap, tap. 0.96

01:26:29.000 Yeah, he hits him in a couple of three-piece when he's down and then slaps the floor and lays next to him.

01:26:36.000 No, it's crazy, bro.

01:26:36.000 Yeah, it was wild.

01:26:37.000 That was one of the wildest knockouts, too.

01:26:39.000 That's another one.

01:26:40.000 That's another one, but the consequences are different than yours.

01:26:43.000 Yours is different, and it's the fact that you decided to stand in the cage in the center in the last 10 seconds and that you had planned that out.

01:26:50.000 Did your corner know you were planning that out?

01:26:51.000 Oh, they know already.

01:26:53.000 I mean...

01:26:53.000 They know.

01:26:55.000 You ask any of them, and then you tell them, like, bro, did you guys think...

01:26:58.000 I never told them, but they already know who I am as a fighter.

01:27:02.000 I've been with these guys for, like, 15, 16 years of my life.

01:27:07.000 Like, half of my life, brother, I've been with these guys.

01:27:09.000 Wow.

01:27:11.000 Actually, I think 14 years.

01:27:13.000 I think it's 14. A little bit under half of my life with these guys.

01:27:15.000 So they know me.

01:27:16.000 Do you have the corner?

01:27:18.000 She's in the corner.

01:27:20.000 Ryland is hiding because he knows it's happening already.

01:27:24.000 My striking coach already knows that it's going to go.

01:27:26.000 They know.

01:27:27.000 I asked them after.

01:27:28.000 They did interviews and they asked them, did you know Max was going to do that?

01:27:32.000 He didn't tell us, but we had a feeling that if it went to the last 10 seconds...

01:27:35.000 Look, look, [...

01:27:37.000 Rye's hiding.

01:27:39.000 He's hiding under his eyes, brother.

01:27:41.000 Look at your guys.

01:27:42.000 Look at them screaming. 0.81

01:27:44.000 Look at them screaming. 0.81

01:27:45.000 Bro, you know what is funny?

01:27:46.000 That guy, Michael, is like 5'3".

01:27:48.000 So he's like holding himself up on them, bro.

01:27:51.000 His legs is dangling and he's kicking in the air.

01:27:54.000 Imagine that.

01:27:55.000 I wish they had a full screen.

01:27:56.000 He's on top of them.

01:27:57.000 Wow.

01:27:58.000 That was wild, man.

01:28:00.000 And then, shout out to my best friend, Birdie Bird, Jordan Reed in the back, since the news didn't catch it at him.

01:28:05.000 They named every corner man except for him in the back.

01:28:07.000 So here's a question.

01:28:09.000 Jamal Hill loses that fight, and now he's going to fight Khalil Roundtree.

01:28:13.000 Bro, don't you think that's a fast turnaround?

01:28:18.000 I don't know.

01:28:18.000 It's a very fast turnaround.

01:28:19.000 It's only two months.

01:28:20.000 Yeah.

01:28:21.000 It's two months, and he's fighting Khalil.

01:28:22.000 And you're fighting Khalil Roundtree is a savage.

01:28:27.000 Brother, do you not see the TKO? He fights you like you owe him.

01:28:29.000 Yeah, money.

01:28:30.000 You owe him a lot of money.

01:28:32.000 You do owe him a lot of money.

01:28:33.000 That's how he fights you.

01:28:34.000 Yeah.

01:28:35.000 He fights you like you stole something from him.

01:28:36.000 His contract is probably a sure win, so you owe him win money.

01:28:41.000 That sidekick that he did to the knee.

01:28:44.000 Oh, bro.

01:28:44.000 He was jumping into that thing.

01:28:46.000 Oh, horrible.

01:28:47.000 That's nasty, bro.

01:28:48.000 Horrible.

01:28:48.000 Watch his knee bend backwards.

01:28:50.000 Khalil, I remember when Khalil fought Eric Anders.

01:28:53.000 He came back from Thailand.

01:28:55.000 So he fights Johnny Walker.

01:28:57.000 Johnny Walker catches him with an elbow in the clinch.

01:29:00.000 And he decides, like, I got to really learn Muay Thai, clinching, elbows.

01:29:04.000 He goes to Thailand.

01:29:05.000 And then he fights Eric Anders.

01:29:07.000 And he comes out looking like a Thai fighter.

01:29:09.000 Ha! 0.89

01:29:10.000 Leg kick.

01:29:11.000 Yeah.

01:29:11.000 Where did he fight?

01:29:12.000 I think I watched that fight.

01:29:13.000 What fight?

01:29:14.000 See if we can find Khalil Roundtree vs.

01:29:17.000 Eric Anders.

01:29:19.000 I think that was in Vegas.

01:29:20.000 I think that was on the Vogue 3 fight.

01:29:21.000 I believe it was in Vegas.

01:29:22.000 Yeah, I think that was on the Vogue 3 fight.

01:29:23.000 Me and DC were like, what happened?

01:29:26.000 He was always a very good fighter.

01:29:28.000 He was always a very good stand-up fighter, too.

01:29:30.000 But he went through this leap.

01:29:32.000 In this fight.

01:29:33.000 See if you get like early in the fight.

01:29:35.000 The leg kicks were insane.

01:29:38.000 And it's the way he's moving.

01:29:41.000 He's moving like a tie.

01:29:43.000 This whole thing was just a second.

01:29:44.000 Oh, okay.

01:29:45.000 He was moving like his front leg.

01:29:47.000 He's like tapping with the front leg.

01:29:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:51.000 Look, his front leg going already.

01:29:54.000 I mean, it was very Thai style adapted to MMA, but we were just like, my God, he's looked so much better than we've seen him before.

01:30:05.000 There was something about, like, he made this decision after that Johnny Walker fight and then started going to Thailand and just kicked his game up several notches.

01:30:15.000 And now, you know, he gets this opportunity for a guy like Khalil to fight a guy who also just got KO'd Right?

01:30:25.000 Just got KO'd just two months ago.

01:30:27.000 So most people would say, hey, this is too soon.

01:30:30.000 Yeah.

01:30:30.000 A lot of people would say this is too soon.

01:30:32.000 But I get it.

01:30:32.000 Jamal wants to get back in there.

01:30:34.000 He feels like that was a fuck up and he wants to erase it. 0.98

01:30:37.000 He says he's fine. 1.00

01:30:39.000 But this is a fucking scary cat, man. 0.99

01:30:42.000 Yeah, because even with the Jamal Hill incident, right? 0.99

01:30:45.000 How much shots did he take on the ground?

01:30:48.000 Took a few hard ones.

01:30:49.000 Yeah.

01:30:49.000 Hard hammer fists.

01:30:50.000 It was tough, so whatever.

01:30:52.000 It's the left hook that makes his eyes roll back. 0.98

01:30:56.000 But Khalil's a monster, man. 0.94

01:30:57.000 Bro, but imagine here, bro. 0.93

01:30:59.000 Imagine if you're in this situation, right?

01:31:01.000 You're in his shoes.

01:31:03.000 Like how you said, this guy just got knocked out, bro.

01:31:05.000 You go out there, you knock this guy out, guess what you're doing next fight?

01:31:09.000 You're fighting for a title.

01:31:10.000 You're fighting for a title, brother.

01:31:12.000 You are fighting Alex Pereira for a title.

01:31:14.000 Can you imagine Khalil and Alex Pereira? 0.99

01:31:17.000 Holy shit, man. 0.99

01:31:18.000 It'd just be violence, bro. 1.00

01:31:19.000 Oh, crazy violence.

01:31:21.000 And, you know, Khalil's had moments in his career where he was, like, not totally focused.

01:31:25.000 And then he's had moments where he's really focused and you see it like in his endurance in the fight like this fights that he's lost where just like he wasn't really there but then you see him when he's really focused like it's like you got to pay attention to what he's capable of like you could look at a fighter sometimes and you could look at bad fight like some like a good example is Charles Oliveira if you go and watch Charles Oliveira some of his earlier fights it looks like he kind of like folded yeah and then something happened after the birth of his daughter where Charles Oliveira becomes this fucking assassin And 0.97

01:31:56.000 he just has no quit in him. 1.00

01:31:57.000 He's just an animal. 1.00

01:31:58.000 And it's just like, everybody just forgot about that old shit, and like, no, he's the fucking man. 1.00

01:32:03.000 And they forgot about the Cub Swanson fight. 1.00

01:32:05.000 They forgot about all these other fights.

01:32:06.000 They forgot about the Paul Felder fight.

01:32:08.000 They forgot about those fights. 1.00

01:32:09.000 Like, fuck all that fight. 1.00

01:32:10.000 What is he capable of when he's on? 1.00

01:32:13.000 And that's, I think, what you gotta do with Khalil.

01:32:15.000 That's why this is a dangerous fight.

01:32:17.000 Because Jamal's a bad man, and he's a dangerous dude, and he can knock out anybody, for sure.

01:32:21.000 Bro, it's gonna be...

01:32:22.000 But so is Khalil.

01:32:23.000 He's gonna be violent, bro.

01:32:25.000 Jamal gonna have to watch his kneecaps, bro.

01:32:27.000 She's gonna have to watch his legs, everything.

01:32:29.000 And Khalil is also Southpaw.

01:32:31.000 So Jamal standing Southpaw, you know, he likes...

01:32:34.000 Ooh, look at that.

01:32:35.000 Bro, that was horrific.

01:32:36.000 That was horrific. 0.99

01:32:37.000 I mean, he just sidekicked the shit out of his knee. 0.99

01:32:40.000 Just blew it apart, man. 0.99

01:32:42.000 And that's real controversial.

01:32:43.000 Because a lot of people are like, man, that ends your career.

01:32:46.000 But...

01:32:47.000 It does.

01:32:48.000 He's back. 1.00

01:32:51.000 He's a fucking animal, man. 1.00

01:32:52.000 I mean, he's so skillful and so intelligent in his stand-up, and it's just like, it's super, super high-level, man. 1.00

01:32:59.000 Bro, look, he tried to truss-kick a guy in his body while he's gone.

01:33:02.000 Yeah, well, he's done that before. 0.69

01:33:04.000 He's a body-kick guy. 0.70

01:33:05.000 Oh, yeah, I love body-kicking. 0.98

01:33:06.000 He stands up and body-kicks him.

01:33:08.000 In Hawaii, bro, I got into an argument with a ref because one of our fighters body kicked.

01:33:14.000 Someone was down.

01:33:15.000 And they stopped the fight to give the kid a time.

01:33:18.000 And I was like, what are you doing?

01:33:19.000 And he's like, you can't body kick on the ground.

01:33:21.000 I was like, you cannot body kick a down opponent to the head.

01:33:25.000 You can kick him to the body.

01:33:28.000 You just can't kick him to the head. 0.99

01:33:29.000 He's like, no, you can't do that.

01:33:30.000 I was like...

01:33:31.000 What are you watching?

01:33:33.000 You don't know the rules.

01:33:34.000 Unless they modified the rules.

01:33:35.000 Nah, bro.

01:33:36.000 The rules doesn't modify, bro.

01:33:37.000 So that's just bad referee. 0.98

01:33:38.000 Yeah, I almost got a fucking point deducted from one of my boys. 0.96

01:33:43.000 I was like, bro, I'm so sorry, bro, but that was supposed to be a TKO. Yeah. 0.97

01:33:46.000 You TKO'd this kid, bro. 0.99

01:33:48.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99

01:33:49.000 That's just bad referee. 1.00

01:33:50.000 I really think that the only problem with knees to the head on the ground and kicks to the ground is the cage. 0.99

01:33:57.000 If there was no cage, no place where you couldn't move and someone could stomp you, all that shit should be on the table. 0.98

01:34:03.000 Because these are valid techniques. 0.99

01:34:06.000 If you can knee someone to the head in a clinch, if you could scissor-knee someone like Pajeda did with Michelitis, if you could do that kind of shit, why can't you knee a guy to the head on the ground? 0.99

01:34:16.000 And you know what it is, bro? 0.98

01:34:18.000 And if you do do that, you know how much more of this safe area of people's playing with their hand on the ground, hand up?

01:34:25.000 You know how much more people want to do that?

01:34:28.000 They're going to go all the way to the ground or they're going to fight intelligently?

01:34:33.000 Yeah.

01:34:33.000 Instead of going down and playing that game, bro.

01:34:36.000 Having a moment where you're safer because of a rule is never a good thing.

01:34:41.000 No.

01:34:42.000 It's terrible, bro.

01:34:43.000 It changes the whole way you compete.

01:34:46.000 You'll do that.

01:34:47.000 You'll let a guy have your back and you'll put your hand on the ground because you know his knee's right there.

01:34:51.000 When in reality, you got to get out of that spot.

01:34:53.000 You can't be there.

01:34:55.000 For sure! 1.00

01:34:55.000 You're dead! 1.00

01:34:56.000 Same thing with being in a turtle. 0.77

01:34:57.000 If you're in a turtle and a guy's like Mark Coleman in Pride can just drop those knees on your head.

01:35:02.000 Remember they let him do that in Pride?

01:35:03.000 So when guys turtle in the UFC, you cannot knee them in the head. 0.82

01:35:06.000 Which is a perfect time to knee them in the head.

01:35:09.000 But then even that, because when they do turtle, right? 0.95

01:35:11.000 So say I'm fighting someone and I see someone turtle. 0.97

01:35:14.000 It's like half a second of them resting because I'm thinking like, shit, now I got to be smart of where I'm picking this and what I'm doing. 0.95

01:35:20.000 Exactly. 0.77

01:35:21.000 The back of the head rule, 100%. 0.99

01:35:23.000 But if I can soccer kick you because you're doing that, it's so easy to like, boom, boom, see you down there, I kick you right in your head. 0.99

01:35:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:35:31.000 I don't know, bro.

01:35:32.000 And if you know that that's one of the options, you won't stay in that position.

01:35:36.000 You'll protect yourself.

01:35:37.000 The guy's not going to be turtled.

01:35:38.000 Even guys are taking knees down and they're like this on the ground already.

01:35:43.000 They know what they're doing.

01:35:44.000 Exactly.

01:35:45.000 You know what you're doing, bro.

01:35:46.000 And then if I come in and do something wrong, you get a takedown and you're on top now.

01:35:51.000 Right.

01:35:51.000 That's one of the reasons why people are so mad at Aljamain when Aljamain won the title from Piotr Jan.

01:35:58.000 Piotr hits him with an illegal knee when he's down.

01:36:00.000 But that knee should be legal.

01:36:03.000 You shouldn't be able to be on your knees in a fight.

01:36:05.000 I think so.

01:36:06.000 Are you able to move?

01:36:08.000 If they're not stopping the fight, that means you can move.

01:36:10.000 Even with what you said, you pulling at the elbow, the 12-6 elbow, I'm like, brother, I never know why they took it out, right?

01:36:21.000 And then you said, I think in one of the interviews a long time ago, you said they took it out because they saw a guy break ice with that, doing that, right?

01:36:28.000 Yeah, break bricks on ESPN at 12 in the morning.

01:36:31.000 Yeah, guess what?

01:36:32.000 That guy can break a brick with a headbutt?

01:36:34.000 That guy can break a brick with trying the elbow this way?

01:36:36.000 That guy can break a brick with trying the elbow upwards?

01:36:39.000 And guess what?

01:36:39.000 We can still throw that thing?

01:36:41.000 So why are you taking that away from on the ground?

01:36:44.000 Big John McCarthy told me that.

01:36:45.000 It was just the people at the athletic commissions back in the time.

01:36:48.000 Well, you know, Big John had this unenviable role where he had to go to these places and explain to them that there's rules involved in MMA. And then you get morons like, what about this? 0.99

01:36:59.000 I saw someone do that and break a break. 1.00

01:37:00.000 You can't do that.

01:37:01.000 Okay.

01:37:02.000 No 12 to 6 elbows.

01:37:04.000 That's crazy.

01:37:05.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:37:05.000 It was a dumbass rule. 1.00

01:37:07.000 And the only loss on Jon Jones' record is because of that. 0.99

01:37:10.000 And even when I'm on my back, the 12 to 6 follow you, right? 0.99

01:37:14.000 So I can't go like this from my back?

01:37:16.000 Crazy.

01:37:17.000 And then they're like, yeah, but you can't go like this.

01:37:19.000 But if you go like this, I'm like, that's the same exact...

01:37:23.000 This is the same exact thing as this. 1.00

01:37:24.000 It's so stupid. 0.99

01:37:25.000 At the end, I'm twisting it, you know? 1.00

01:37:27.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

01:37:28.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

01:37:28.000 Also, it's like, especially this elbow, I don't feel like this elbow is as hard as this elbow. 1.00

01:37:34.000 No way, bro.

01:37:35.000 This is not like...

01:37:37.000 Even if I mounted you, right?

01:37:40.000 Like, what you got to do?

01:37:41.000 You got to, like, crunch your abs to get over here?

01:37:44.000 This is like, I'm going...

01:37:46.000 My whole shoulder, my whole body is coming into it.

01:37:50.000 There's so much more in that one.

01:37:52.000 And you can't have a thing where a guy can protect himself by doing that, and then you can't throw that one technique.

01:37:57.000 That's crazy!

01:37:59.000 That's crazy.

01:37:59.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:38:01.000 That is crazy. 0.93

01:38:01.000 There's a bunch of dumb rules like that, but I think the cage provides this problem for soccer kicks and stomps and knees on the ground. 0.93

01:38:08.000 Yeah, because you're stuck. 0.90

01:38:09.000 It's like a wall, right?

01:38:10.000 Yeah.

01:38:11.000 It's like a wall, right?

01:38:12.000 And I understand that, but guess what? 1.00

01:38:14.000 Don't go to the fucking cage, dog. 1.00

01:38:17.000 You know the cage is there, brother. 1.00

01:38:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:20.000 Bro, the cage is my buddy.

01:38:21.000 I love the cage.

01:38:22.000 Maybe they can have a rule where they say no knees or stomps when a fighter's touching the cage. 1.00

01:38:27.000 Yeah, that'd be cool. 0.90

01:38:29.000 But then you can start seeing guys from the middle crawling their ass all the way to the cage now. 0.97

01:38:34.000 Right, that's true. 0.92

01:38:35.000 Well, people are always going to try to game. 0.98

01:38:37.000 Yeah, as soon as you get a damn rule, people are going to game it all the time. 0.96

01:38:42.000 You know my thought. 0.99

01:38:43.000 My thought, they should have a basketball court.

01:38:45.000 My thoughts is guys should fight in the center of like an open flat place.

01:38:50.000 Just like what they do for basketball.

01:38:52.000 But just what they do even for grappling matches.

01:38:54.000 Yeah.

01:38:55.000 But guys are going to fall over and what's going to happen?

01:38:57.000 Well, they don't have multiple matches going on like they do with that.

01:39:01.000 Don't have it on a platform.

01:39:02.000 Just have it on the ground.

01:39:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:03.000 Just have it on the ground.

01:39:05.000 Like have guys.

01:39:05.000 I mean, you know how wild that would be?

01:39:07.000 We're all sitting there in the arena and there's no cage and these dudes just walk out in the center of this big open mat.

01:39:14.000 I mean, that'd be crazy.

01:39:15.000 Yeah, just have a warning zone.

01:39:16.000 It's up for me, though, because I love the cage, bro.

01:39:18.000 You would love no cage, too, though.

01:39:20.000 I just love the cage for takedown purposes.

01:39:23.000 Whenever somebody put me in, like, go to the cage.

01:39:24.000 Cage is your friend.

01:39:25.000 A lot of guys don't like it because they think you're losing the fight, but, like, ah.

01:39:29.000 It is what it is, but no cage would be smart, though, because what you said, I see what you're saying, but so much guys is going to get you to a point and they're going to shoot so low, like the Islams and the Khabibs, that kind of fighting stuff, they're going to shoot so low because you don't have a cage, 1.00

01:39:45.000 and it's going to keep driving you to Forever land, you know, until you get hit and then you gotta restart or whatever.

01:39:50.000 Maybe, but it might stop a lot of takedowns because it's gonna have a much more realistic scenario.

01:39:57.000 Instead of being able to charge up to a guy against a cage, get your hands up against his butt, lift him and take him down where he can't He can't go anywhere.

01:40:05.000 His backs against the cage.

01:40:06.000 Khabib took so many guys down up against the cage.

01:40:09.000 So many guys do that.

01:40:10.000 They take guys down off the cage.

01:40:12.000 And if you've got a guy who's going to keep moving and push you away and keep moving and then circle out, now you've got to take him down again, it could change the whole dynamic of fighting.

01:40:19.000 It could.

01:40:20.000 It could.

01:40:20.000 Getting up is going to be way harder.

01:40:22.000 Yeah, it's going to be way harder.

01:40:23.000 I love the cage for get-ups.

01:40:25.000 I have another thought about that.

01:40:26.000 I think if a guy takes you down at the end of the round, you start in that same position from round two.

01:40:30.000 You think so?

01:40:31.000 I'd be pretty gangster.

01:40:32.000 Because guys wouldn't be able to, guys wouldn't care.

01:40:35.000 You know, some guys just take it off like, whatever, you take me down, I'm only going to stand up anyway.

01:40:38.000 Well, you got to think it's a fight, right?

01:40:40.000 Or, like, even your rule, like, if you're getting hold down from that last round, then you start from getting hold down, right?

01:40:47.000 That's the same rule, right?

01:40:48.000 I think, say if a guy takes you down and he's got you mounted and it's the end of the first round, I feel like you start mounted in the second round.

01:40:56.000 That sounds crazy.

01:40:57.000 It sounds like you should start a fighting show.

01:40:59.000 It is a fight, right?

01:41:00.000 It's a fight.

01:41:01.000 It's not five individual fights.

01:41:03.000 So if you have a five-round fight and every fight starts standing up, for a guy like Pajeda, that's a massive advantage.

01:41:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.98

01:41:10.000 Especially after, imagine he got taken down and just took his ass beating for one round, you know? 0.99

01:41:15.000 Now imagine Pejeda fights Jon Jones. 0.96

01:41:18.000 And they fight Jon Jones for the light heavyweight title at, you know, five rounds.

01:41:24.000 Jon takes Pejeda down in the first round.

01:41:26.000 And at the end of the round, Jon's got him mounted and Pejeda rides out the bell.

01:41:31.000 Well, the round starts, round two, with Jon Jones mounting him.

01:41:34.000 Because it's one fight.

01:41:35.000 It's not five fights.

01:41:37.000 So if you start a new fight, now you're starting standing up again.

01:41:40.000 But you're not standing up.

01:41:42.000 The fight is still going on.

01:41:44.000 Put him back in the same spot.

01:41:45.000 Then they'll have to change the whole judging to the whole fight.

01:41:49.000 That's how it should be.

01:41:49.000 Yeah, it should be.

01:41:50.000 I feel like it should be that way.

01:41:52.000 Why are we fighting rounds?

01:41:53.000 I think Pride had it right.

01:41:55.000 Pride had it right.

01:41:56.000 They judged the fight as a whole and they judged the end of the fight.

01:42:00.000 It was more important.

01:42:02.000 Who's winning at the end?

01:42:03.000 Just like a schoolyard.

01:42:04.000 If you are outboxing a guy and there's no teachers around and then all of a sudden he takes you down and he starts beating your ass and you can't get up and then the teachers come and pull him off, everybody's going to think that guy won the fight.

01:42:18.000 They're not going to say yes. 0.99

01:42:19.000 Yeah, but he's getting his ass. 0.99

01:42:21.000 We'll be standing up. 0.99

01:42:22.000 Tom controlled him on the feet for three minutes.

01:42:24.000 He only took him down for 30 seconds. 0.99

01:42:26.000 Nobody gives a shit about that. 0.99

01:42:27.000 They give a shit about who's winning at the end of the fight. 0.99

01:42:30.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:42:30.000 Bro, that would be... 0.99

01:42:32.000 I mean, it's kind of cheap. 0.99

01:42:34.000 It's favoritism my ass that we stand on the feet every time. 0.98

01:42:38.000 But that's pretty cool, though. 0.98

01:42:40.000 That would be pretty cool because now you would see guys fight much harder to get up now.

01:42:46.000 So if I'm on my ground, I'm on my back, and the round, you see guys like, oh, 30 seconds.

01:42:53.000 Well, it's the best.

01:42:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:54.000 I just hold on to you for 30 seconds, and now, because I know in my mind, oh, I'm standing up.

01:42:59.000 We're going to come out standing. 0.99

01:43:01.000 But if you tell me 30 seconds, and holy shit, new round, I'm going to start on my back, I need to fucking get up. 0.99

01:43:06.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:43:06.000 I need to create a scramble or something, you know? 0.99

01:43:09.000 So it's not so indefinite that we start here.

01:43:12.000 I think, bro...

01:43:13.000 I think it changes the game.

01:43:14.000 I think that's pretty cool.

01:43:15.000 I like the idea, and what I like the idea about it, because it's much more like a real fight.

01:43:20.000 So this is supposed to be the sport of real fighting, right?

01:43:24.000 That's really what it is.

01:43:25.000 Like, what works the best?

01:43:26.000 That's what MMA is. 0.82

01:43:28.000 And if you have limited techniques, like you can't use a knee to a downed opponent, you can't do this to a downed opponent, that fucks things up.

01:43:35.000 And then if you have the cage where the guy can use the cage, That fucks things up, because a guy can use the cage to take guys down, they can use the cage to stand back up, so the cage becomes a factor.

01:43:44.000 And then you have the fact that every round starts standing up.

01:43:48.000 So if you busted your ass to take this guy down, you took damage to get a hold of this guy, you take him down the first round, you have 10 seconds to go in the first round, you mount him, you're on top of him, the horn blows. 1.00

01:44:00.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:44:01.000 Now you gotta start standing up again. 1.00

01:44:02.000 Now you gotta take him down, yeah.

01:44:03.000 Imagine if Chell against that Anderson fight, if he could've came back from the ground every time.

01:44:08.000 Right. 0.64

01:44:09.000 Crazy.

01:44:09.000 It changes it, you know?

01:44:11.000 It changes everything.

01:44:12.000 I mean, he could've got triangled sooner.

01:44:15.000 That's true, too.

01:44:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:16.000 Or he could've finished the guy.

01:44:18.000 We don't know.

01:44:19.000 This is a bunch of what-ifs, but that's crazy.

01:44:21.000 It's a bunch of what-ifs, but it's also taken into consideration that it is supposed to be one fight.

01:44:26.000 It's not supposed to be five fights.

01:44:28.000 To have every fight start in the advantageous position for the striker when he didn't earn a get-up.

01:44:35.000 Yeah, yeah, after getting it.

01:44:36.000 I mean, they already kind of do that, right?

01:44:40.000 Like when you're against a cage or something or something happened and they break you, they put you right back into that situation. 1.00

01:44:46.000 So why would I... Fuck, it sucks for strikers. 0.99

01:44:50.000 You know, strikers worldwide, I'm sorry, but if this is the way to prove that you're the baddest man alive, sign me up for it, brother, because I'm here for it. 1.00

01:44:58.000 If you take my ass down and I use a bell to get a SPAC to stand up, that's kind of lame, bro. 0.99

01:45:05.000 You need to get your ass up. 0.99

01:45:07.000 You're not considered the baddest man. 0.98

01:45:09.000 You might not be able to get your ass up in a fight that you would have lost under the current rules. 1.00

01:45:13.000 Because you might start standing up in the second round and this dude says, alright, fuck this guy. 0.99

01:45:18.000 I'm not gonna clinch with him now. 1.00

01:45:19.000 I'm gonna kick his calves. 0.97

01:45:20.000 I'm gonna move around. 0.99

01:45:21.000 You need to talk to somebody, right?

01:45:23.000 That would be pretty cool.

01:45:23.000 Nobody listens to me.

01:45:24.000 Maybe USC 400, they do something.

01:45:26.000 Bro, I had all sorts of plans.

01:45:28.000 They don't listen to me.

01:45:30.000 And I wouldn't listen to me either.

01:45:31.000 They've got a great business that's real successful.

01:45:34.000 You can't make all these changes. 0.97

01:45:35.000 That's ridiculous.

01:45:36.000 My other thing that I would say is you got to get rid of weight cutting and you can do it.

01:45:39.000 It can be done with hydration tests and you got to give people more options for weight classes.

01:45:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:44.000 They should have an option every 10 pounds minimum.

01:45:46.000 Every 10 pounds would be good.

01:45:47.000 I think with the weight cutting it would be fun without no weight cutting but then we see guys like other promotions and people are missing the hydration test anyway.

01:45:56.000 So like people are still trying to do it.

01:45:57.000 Right.

01:45:58.000 Whatever you do, they're going to gain it.

01:45:59.000 Because somebody always is going to look for the advantage, no matter what it is.

01:46:03.000 But there's a way to do it where if you have a big organization like the UFC, think about what they do with drug-free sport now.

01:46:11.000 It used to be USADA. They'll find you wherever you are and give you a random drug test.

01:46:16.000 Well, why can't they find you and put you on a fucking scale and get a hydration read on you and go, Max, you're 172 pounds. 0.99

01:46:25.000 You're not 145 pounds, Max. 0.99

01:46:26.000 You're a 172 pound fighter.

01:46:28.000 So you could probably be healthy and fully hydrated at 165. That's probably where you should fight.

01:46:35.000 Unless you want to do something crazy to lose a lot of weight.

01:46:38.000 Like actually lose a lot of weight.

01:46:40.000 Like go running every day for 100 miles.

01:46:41.000 Don't eat.

01:46:42.000 Don't eat.

01:46:43.000 It's funny because a lot of people always ask me, or even when I started dating my wife first, she's like, oh, you're that heavy.

01:46:50.000 Why did you fight this? 0.99

01:46:51.000 I'm like, I only do it because everybody else is doing this shit. 0.99

01:46:54.000 If we don't do it, if I don't do it, then I'll fight a 170er. 0.99

01:46:59.000 Imagine Maya stepping in there fighting like a George St. Pierre. 1.00

01:47:04.000 Right. 0.99

01:47:05.000 Bro, that guy is fucking huge, you know what I mean? 0.99

01:47:07.000 He's pretty big. 0.99

01:47:07.000 Or Kamaru. 0.99

01:47:09.000 Kamaru, you know what I mean?

01:47:10.000 Leon is a big boy, too.

01:47:11.000 Leon's huge, yeah.

01:47:12.000 So it's like, bro, it's like, everybody just do it because everyone's doing it.

01:47:16.000 Exactly, they have to do it.

01:47:18.000 But all those guys are 200 pounds.

01:47:20.000 All those 170s. 1.00

01:47:21.000 200 plus.

01:47:22.000 Yeah, they're 200 pounds.

01:47:23.000 Great, some of them, yeah.

01:47:23.000 Yeah, all those guys, like Hamzat's gigantic.

01:47:28.000 Hamzai's not even 170 anymore.

01:47:29.000 No.

01:47:30.000 I didn't even know how he made 170. You remember?

01:47:33.000 Bro, he's big, that's why.

01:47:35.000 I wonder if he could have made it when New York pulled his card.

01:47:39.000 Because the thing about New York is they've done stuff like that before.

01:47:43.000 They wouldn't let you cut the weight when you were supposed to be fighting Khabib. 0.99

01:47:47.000 An ally of Quinta took your place.

01:47:49.000 I'm telling you, bro.

01:47:50.000 That was unreal.

01:47:52.000 Unfortunate.

01:47:53.000 You could have made that weight, though, I bet.

01:47:54.000 Bro, 100%, bro.

01:47:56.000 But the thing is...

01:47:57.000 It was just... 1.00

01:47:58.000 It was just stupidity, you know? 1.00

01:48:00.000 It was 10 days. 1.00

01:48:01.000 I was with somebody doing my nutrition stuff at the end. 0.96

01:48:07.000 He did a freaking interview. 0.60

01:48:09.000 He said how much I was. 0.98

01:48:10.000 I was super heavy. 1.00

01:48:11.000 And the freaking commission saw it and they fucking was on my ass. 1.00

01:48:15.000 I was like, bro, if you didn't say shit... 1.00

01:48:17.000 We would have been fine, you know? 1.00

01:48:18.000 But that's what happened.

01:48:20.000 People open your mouth.

01:48:21.000 That's why I love a tight-knit, small team, you know?

01:48:25.000 It's like, nothing happens, nothing gets out. 1.00

01:48:27.000 Anything happens, it's like, motherfucker. 1.00

01:48:30.000 Yeah, you can't say that. 1.00

01:48:32.000 Especially in New York.

01:48:33.000 You could say it in Vegas.

01:48:35.000 In New York, yeah. 1.00

01:48:35.000 Vegas don't give a shit. 1.00

01:48:36.000 And it was also New York when they just started having fights. 1.00

01:48:40.000 That's what I was saying.

01:48:41.000 New York was stood against MMA. They stood against MMA. And then that happened.

01:48:48.000 I remember, bro. 1.00

01:48:49.000 Fucking guy came in. 1.00

01:48:51.000 I looked sucked out of my life. 1.00

01:48:54.000 And they were like, yeah, you're not fighting.

01:48:56.000 How heavy were you?

01:48:57.000 I was like three pounds off, bro.

01:48:59.000 That's it?

01:49:02.000 I still think we had three hours left.

01:49:06.000 Oh, you could have made it.

01:49:07.000 Yeah, it was fine, you know?

01:49:08.000 I think Hamzat, they pulled him, I don't know what he was when they pulled him, then he started drinking water, and then he weighted 178, I believe.

01:49:16.000 That's crazy.

01:49:17.000 Yeah, he was way over.

01:49:18.000 That's crazy, yeah.

01:49:19.000 But, I wasn't excited about that fight.

01:49:24.000 Who was he fighting?

01:49:25.000 Nate Diaz.

01:49:26.000 Oh, Nate?

01:49:27.000 Yeah, I was like, that is a...

01:49:29.000 Then what happened?

01:49:30.000 Who did he fight?

01:49:30.000 He fought somebody else, right?

01:49:31.000 Yeah.

01:49:32.000 Nate fought Tony Ferguson.

01:49:34.000 Yeah.

01:49:34.000 And he fought Kevin Holland.

01:49:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:37.000 Which is also, Kevin Holland was preparing for someone else.

01:49:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:40.000 He was preparing for Daniel Rodriguez, who's a striker.

01:49:43.000 And then all of a sudden he's fighting this insane wrestler.

01:49:45.000 Yeah, and then that's what happened with the fake glove touch and he took him down.

01:49:49.000 Yeah.

01:49:50.000 Yeah.

01:49:52.000 Hamzat is, who's he fighting next? 0.54

01:49:56.000 Whitaker.

01:49:56.000 Robert, bro.

01:49:57.000 That's right.

01:49:57.000 Robert, bro.

01:49:58.000 I'm looking forward to that one.

01:49:59.000 If there is someone who can kind of neglect the wrestling, I think it's Whitaker.

01:50:05.000 Yeah.

01:50:05.000 I think it's Whitaker, bro.

01:50:07.000 And then, Komsad is strong, but that Burns fight showed a lot.

01:50:13.000 It showed a lot.

01:50:15.000 If you can hit this guy and continue to hit him, it's going to be a fun fight.

01:50:19.000 And Kamaru Usman fight, because Kamaru was winning the third round.

01:50:24.000 And he had 10 days to get ready for that fight.

01:50:27.000 And when I tell everybody, like against Akazmat, you know, like with Akazmat, with the wrestling, it's like, if you go pull up his fight, brother, if you go watch the Akazmat fight against Usman, The only time he takes down Usman is when Usman wrestles him back.

01:50:42.000 When Usman is like anti-wrestling, fighting his wrist, not letting him connect his hands, no takedowns.

01:50:47.000 But as soon as Usman was like, okay, I'm just going to wrestle back, and he starts to grab the stomach and stuff, you get taken down, you get picked down.

01:50:53.000 I'm like, brother, like...

01:50:54.000 You should've just anti-wrestled this guy.

01:50:55.000 He was beating him in the striking too.

01:50:56.000 But I think it was also, Kamaru didn't know what his cardio was like.

01:51:00.000 He didn't trust his conditioning.

01:51:02.000 He just wasn't prepared to go full out.

01:51:04.000 And Hamzat knew that, so Hamzat put that grappling pressure on him immediately to try to wear him out. 0.84

01:51:10.000 Crazy, man.

01:51:11.000 I don't like those 10-day fights, man. 0.98

01:51:14.000 It's shitty, because no one's going to talk about the 10 days. 0.70

01:51:17.000 You know what I mean? 0.91

01:51:18.000 Unless you're Tom Aspinall.

01:51:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:20.000 Right?

01:51:20.000 So Tom Aspinall takes it on like 11 days and he knocks out Pavlovich and he becomes the interim title holder.

01:51:25.000 Exactly.

01:51:26.000 But then, even with that, they just can say the interim.

01:51:29.000 He won the interim.

01:51:31.000 They're not even talking about the day.

01:51:32.000 Everybody would bring up the 10s.

01:51:33.000 Even with the Vogue fight.

01:51:35.000 It's like, oh yeah, Vogue is this, Vogue is that.

01:51:37.000 But then, oh, he got knocked out from this guy and then he got knocked out again.

01:51:40.000 I'm like, yeah, but he got knocked out on 10 days, brother.

01:51:42.000 It's crazy. 0.99

01:51:44.000 People keep forgetting about that because they don't give a shit. 0.99

01:51:46.000 Well, they forget about that also because if you go back before that second fight with Islam, Volk is considered to be the number one pound-for-pound guy in the world. 0.99

01:51:53.000 Yeah, and many believe that they thought he won the fight.

01:51:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:57.000 I thought he won the first fight.

01:51:58.000 I thought it was real close, but I watched it like three or four times.

01:52:01.000 I'm like, I think there was like one round where you, I think it's the second round, where it's up in the air.

01:52:07.000 You go like...

01:52:08.000 But again, at the end of the fight, he's on top of Islam and he's pounding on him. 1.00

01:52:12.000 Which was just nuts to see. 0.99

01:52:15.000 Crazy, bro. 0.83

01:52:15.000 Nuts to see. 0.83

01:52:16.000 To think a 45er who is going to come up and do that to the guy who does that to everybody in his weight class.

01:52:21.000 It was insane, bro.

01:52:23.000 He's a legend, bro.

01:52:24.000 He's a legend, brother.

01:52:25.000 But that's why it sucks to take a 10-day fight and then you get KO'd.

01:52:29.000 One of the worst ways to get KO'd.

01:52:30.000 And then, bro, I'm in the back.

01:52:33.000 I don't know if you guys saw this clip, but I'm in the back.

01:52:38.000 And UFC is doing this promo thing, right?

01:52:40.000 I think it was before one of the fights, but they're doing the promo when I was warming up and I was watching the fight.

01:52:48.000 They did this clip and they're showing all the old clips.

01:52:51.000 They show Volk walking out.

01:52:53.000 Yeah.

01:52:53.000 And then the next clip is side by side of him getting knocked out by two guys.

01:52:57.000 I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:52:59.000 I was like, damn, this game sucks. 1.00

01:53:02.000 What a shitty turn of events. 1.00

01:53:04.000 I was like, oh, look, Volk. 0.99

01:53:05.000 And then the fucking next two clips is side by side of him. 0.98

01:53:08.000 His only two is two knockout losses. 1.00

01:53:10.000 And I'm like, wow, this shit is heartless, bro. 1.00

01:53:12.000 This game ain't for the week, bro. 1.00

01:53:14.000 No, it's heartless.

01:53:15.000 This game is not for the week.

01:53:15.000 It's heartless how quickly your life can turn around if you're a guy like Volk.

01:53:19.000 You go from being the man to being dismissed.

01:53:21.000 Uh-huh.

01:53:22.000 You know?

01:53:22.000 To being like, oh, yeah, we don't want to fight, bro.

01:53:25.000 Because, like, Ilya didn't want to grant him a rematch. 0.94

01:53:28.000 Ilya didn't want to fight nobody in the top fucking 15, brother.

01:53:31.000 Well, who does he want to fight? 0.98

01:53:32.000 Brother.

01:53:32.000 Himself.

01:53:33.000 I don't know.

01:53:35.000 What the hell is going on, bro?

01:53:38.000 This guy, this guy, brother?

01:53:39.000 This is the man, bro.

01:53:40.000 This is the guy we're dealing with, bro.

01:53:42.000 This is the guy we're dealing with.

01:53:43.000 So we had a Bible verse off on Twitter.

01:53:47.000 Everybody's like saying freaking 10-8 Holloway because the verse I used against him.

01:53:51.000 And then he writes, and I don't say nothing.

01:53:54.000 That's all I said. 0.98

01:53:55.000 And he writes like a freaking paragraph, bro, to me. 0.97

01:53:58.000 Like, I didn't even read it. 0.96

01:54:00.000 That's how long it was.

01:54:02.000 He writes a paragraph to me, brother.

01:54:04.000 I didn't read it, and I was just tripping out.

01:54:07.000 I was like, it was like an angry girlfriend text, you know?

01:54:09.000 Like, my wife don't even text me like that. 1.00

01:54:11.000 So I was like, I read the first to say, I'm like, I'm not reading this, bro.

01:54:14.000 What the hell is going on with you?

01:54:16.000 You know? 0.96

01:54:16.000 But I don't know what's going on. 0.96

01:54:18.000 I love that you didn't read it.

01:54:19.000 Brother, I don't know what's going on, bro.

01:54:21.000 I was like, I read the first to say, and then I saw you at the scroll. 0.99

01:54:24.000 I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:54:25.000 Did I make my wife mad? 1.00

01:54:26.000 I had to make sure that wasn't her, you know? 0.95

01:54:28.000 Like, what the hell?

01:54:29.000 That's hilarious. 0.54

01:54:30.000 That's funny.

01:54:31.000 Yeah, I don't know who he wants to fight next, but I mean, I guess he feels like he's the champ, he can call the shots.

01:54:36.000 But I know that he turned down the Perth one, the 3-0-5, the Volkanovski rematch.

01:54:41.000 Oh, yeah?

01:54:42.000 Yeah.

01:54:42.000 The question is, like, if you're in Volkanovski's corner, let's say this now because we can say it now, right?

01:54:48.000 Because we couldn't say it after the first Islam fight, but you take a fight like the Islam fight, you get KO'd. 1.00

01:54:54.000 Bad. 0.99

01:54:55.000 Head kick. 0.75

01:54:55.000 You chill, bro. 0.75

01:54:56.000 Yeah.

01:54:57.000 You chill for how long?

01:54:58.000 At least six months with no stuff.

01:55:00.000 And I'm like, maybe you could have...

01:55:01.000 No sparring.

01:55:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:02.000 And then he could have came back on 300. Yeah.

01:55:05.000 He could have headlined 300, bro.

01:55:06.000 You know what I mean?

01:55:07.000 Like, you could have been...

01:55:08.000 I would have told the UFC, like, hey, look, bro.

01:55:11.000 I did you guys a solid.

01:55:13.000 You did me solids very much.

01:55:15.000 Let me rest my head.

01:55:16.000 Let's save this tutorial, but maybe we're going 300. I feel like the UFC should tell him that, too.

01:55:20.000 Yeah, you know?

01:55:21.000 If I was a matchmaker, I think I would probably want.

01:55:23.000 I think there was.

01:55:24.000 I think there was.

01:55:25.000 And he wanted it.

01:55:26.000 Because then I was telling Tim to them, like, brother, if Eli needs somebody, let me know.

01:55:32.000 Tell the UFC to let them know.

01:55:33.000 And UFC came back and said, like... 0.97

01:55:35.000 This crazy mother ever wants to fight. 1.00

01:55:38.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:55:39.000 So I think so.

01:55:40.000 I think it's him and his team and even with his team, like even with...

01:55:43.000 But he's such a property.

01:55:45.000 Yeah.

01:55:45.000 But he's so important.

01:55:46.000 Yeah.

01:55:46.000 To risk him like that again after a head kick knockout to Makachev.

01:55:50.000 Yeah.

01:55:51.000 And then like you can mentally...

01:55:55.000 And physically say you're ready, right?

01:55:57.000 But then something wasn't right.

01:56:00.000 This guy's a rugby pair.

01:56:02.000 I played him three times.

01:56:03.000 And this guy's head is always head first.

01:56:07.000 I fought him three times, brother.

01:56:09.000 It's accidental.

01:56:10.000 It's not hard.

01:56:11.000 But he's like a rugby guy.

01:56:13.000 So his head is always coming in.

01:56:15.000 Me and him headbutted a couple of times.

01:56:17.000 Not big ones, not career changing ones.

01:56:19.000 But his head is forward.

01:56:21.000 He's a rugby guy. 1.00

01:56:21.000 He's in that huddle shit, right? 1.00

01:56:24.000 Tell me why when he fights this fight, he's like being uncharacteristic and like kind of throwing and then going back, you know? 1.00

01:56:30.000 So it's like...

01:56:31.000 It was just a different, you know, I don't want to...

01:56:34.000 He was compromised.

01:56:34.000 Yeah, I'm not taking nothing away from Ilya.

01:56:36.000 Like, it is what it is.

01:56:37.000 He fought Voke at a perfect time, but like... 0.99

01:56:40.000 If somebody can look me in the eyes and be like, bro, that was the same Volk that's been doing this thing at 45, I will call you a deadass liar, brother. 1.00

01:56:50.000 I'll be like, you're a serial killer because you're a psychopath if you think that's the same man. 1.00

01:56:54.000 You get compromised by knockouts. 0.99

01:56:57.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

01:56:58.000 The question is, how much time do you give yourself to recover and can you get back to 100%?

01:57:02.000 I don't think you can get back to 100% from a head kick knockout in a few months.

01:57:07.000 No, bro.

01:57:08.000 And you have to do some sparring to get ready for it.

01:57:10.000 Exactly.

01:57:11.000 And that's the thing.

01:57:12.000 And city kickboxing is great, you know what I mean?

01:57:15.000 Eugene is a great coach.

01:57:16.000 Eugene's a genius.

01:57:17.000 And I'm sure Eugene was probably in his ear, you know what I mean, in Tylenol.

01:57:21.000 But then, again, it's just...

01:57:23.000 Well, he's a dominator.

01:57:25.000 He knows how to win.

01:57:27.000 But you can't run a race with a bad suspension.

01:57:30.000 You've got to let that thing heal up.

01:57:33.000 But then, sometimes you're your own enemy.

01:57:37.000 He probably wanted that race in his mind, thinking that, I'm going to come back here, I'm going to do this, and this is just going to be forgotten.

01:57:45.000 Take out this young buck, dominate my division, I'm still a GOAT. But it just happens. 0.96

01:57:51.000 Because what if he goes out there and he did get it done?

01:57:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:54.000 That would have been amazing, right?

01:57:56.000 And we all would have been wrong.

01:57:57.000 But then, for head injury rides, like I said earlier in our conversation with Justin, Justin's taking six months off of that.

01:58:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:05.000 Yeah.

01:58:06.000 Bro, like, six months at least no contact.

01:58:09.000 It's chill, but, like, this guy, like, you probably got a good frickin' nice payday for that second Islam fight, even the first Islam fight, you know? 0.99

01:58:15.000 So, you know, you do favors for UFC. They take care of you, you know?

01:58:20.000 At the end of the day, I've been with this company for a real long time, so I know this stuff, so it's like...

01:58:26.000 I feel like, selfishly, he should have just rested, bro.

01:58:29.000 I feel like you have to protect the champion from your own instincts.

01:58:33.000 Not even as a fighter, bro.

01:58:34.000 As a person.

01:58:35.000 I shared the octagon. 0.98

01:58:37.000 This guy, I like to call him my freaking arch nemesis. 0.75

01:58:39.000 People like to make things, but I like him as a person, brother. 0.95

01:58:42.000 He's a father to beautiful daughters, you know what I mean?

01:58:45.000 He got a family.

01:58:47.000 So, bro, just take your time off.

01:58:49.000 Enjoy.

01:58:49.000 Go with them.

01:58:50.000 Do that.

01:58:52.000 It happens though.

01:58:53.000 Sometimes we are our own worst enemies.

01:58:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:57.000 And being in his shoes, I couldn't say.

01:58:59.000 Because if that happened to me, I would want to be like that. 1.00

01:59:02.000 Like, fuck this. 1.00

01:59:02.000 I want to go kill this kid. 1.00

01:59:04.000 Let me go kill this kid and remind people. 1.00

01:59:06.000 But you have to have people close to you that can stop that. 1.00

01:59:10.000 And he does, bro.

01:59:11.000 But at the end of the day, maybe he just trumped him.

01:59:14.000 Maybe he had a trump card and he was like, look, I listened to you guys before, but trust me, I got this.

01:59:20.000 How do you not believe?

01:59:22.000 A guy like him, you know?

01:59:24.000 He had an iron chin before that.

01:59:25.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:26.000 Iron chin. 0.83

01:59:27.000 Brother, you see the size of his head, brother?

01:59:29.000 He takes a shot. 1.00

01:59:31.000 But the fact that Tapuria put him out with one shot, part of me was like, damn. 0.99

01:59:37.000 And absolutely, Tapuria is a knockout striker. 0.98

01:59:40.000 He has beautiful boxing.

01:59:41.000 Beautiful form.

01:59:42.000 Nice boxing, bro.

01:59:43.000 His technique is outstanding.

01:59:44.000 His power is tremendous.

01:59:46.000 No doubt about it, he can knock anybody out.

01:59:47.000 But it's the way it happened and the shying away that we were talking about earlier.

01:59:54.000 It was a perfect shot, bro.

01:59:55.000 He just hit him.

01:59:56.000 He did it, yeah.

01:59:56.000 He put his head down.

01:59:57.000 He knew his head was going to be there.

01:59:59.000 He put his head down.

02:00:00.000 Swing.

02:00:00.000 And that's what Tapuya does, bro.

02:00:02.000 He swings.

02:00:02.000 When he swings, he swings all his might.

02:00:04.000 And it's nice technique.

02:00:05.000 It's not like wild swinging all his might.

02:00:07.000 He's swinging all his might technique-wise, knowing that, analyzing, like, your head is probably going to be here.

02:00:12.000 I'm just going to throw the throw.

02:00:13.000 The Jai Herbert one was amazing.

02:00:16.000 That was one after the head kick. 1.00

02:00:18.000 He knocked him out in the second round.

02:00:19.000 To come back after the head kick.

02:00:21.000 And that's 155. He's a small 155. That's not really the weight class for him.

02:00:27.000 45, he's perfect.

02:00:29.000 But it's just, I mean, he could fight at 55, too, make no mistake about it, just like you did, go up correctly.

02:00:34.000 But Jai Herbert is a long, tall dude.

02:00:36.000 Long dude, yeah.

02:00:37.000 He's long.

02:00:37.000 Long, tall dude.

02:00:38.000 I feel like, for a fighter like Alexander Volkanovski, he's like a legacy fighter.

02:00:46.000 He's a guy that's like, he's a legend.

02:00:49.000 He's one of the most dominant champions in any division.

02:00:54.000 For a guy like that, you gotta kind of know the mindset, but don't let him do something.

02:01:00.000 Off the wall.

02:01:01.000 Off the wall, right?

02:01:02.000 Don't take a fight with Makachev on 10 days notice when you haven't been training, you've just been drinking. 0.96

02:01:06.000 Drinking, yeah.

02:01:06.000 And hanging out.

02:01:07.000 I know you think you can do it, and maybe you can do it, but you probably- Yeah, shooting, right?

02:01:11.000 You're not gonna be 100%.

02:01:13.000 And that's the tough thing, you know?

02:01:17.000 I hate when he said that and then things happen and then they talk about what's going on.

02:01:23.000 It's like, brother, skip the man his due.

02:01:25.000 You took the fight.

02:01:26.000 You know what you did.

02:01:27.000 Why the hell I got to tell you what I was doing this whole time?

02:01:30.000 At the end of the day, I'll just be like, well, he was just a better night.

02:01:34.000 With a lot of fighters, the most irritating thing...

02:01:38.000 There's two things that irritate me about fighters, bro. 0.90

02:01:40.000 Sore losers and sore winners, bro.

02:01:42.000 People that win instead talk like, oh, this, this, and this. 1.00

02:01:45.000 I'm like, you won the damn fight, so why are you telling us all this shit? 1.00

02:01:49.000 I hate guys that do that. 1.00

02:01:51.000 And I hate...

02:01:52.000 That's like whenever you see me lose or you see me win, bro, I give nothing but respect to the next guy because I don't know what they've been going through.

02:01:58.000 I don't know...

02:02:00.000 What kind of obstacles they had to do?

02:02:02.000 Because I know the obstacles I had to. 0.96

02:02:03.000 I'm not going to say shit, but if you want to say stuff, like, even Justin, like, Justin, he's saying, bro, he's finally doing, uh, uh, he's doing all kind of media now, and, bro, he's just saying, Max, a dog, you know? 0.96

02:02:13.000 Congrats to him, you know? 0.99

02:02:14.000 Yeah.

02:02:14.000 We went out there to fight, like, even, even with him, people are trying to be like, oh, you lost your title shot, like, how do you feel?

02:02:19.000 It's like...

02:02:20.000 I don't care.

02:02:20.000 That's a BMF, brother.

02:02:22.000 Justin is wired different.

02:02:24.000 We wired different.

02:02:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:02:26.000 A lot of us fighters, even people tell me, why are you doing this?

02:02:28.000 Bro, I'm wired different, bro.

02:02:29.000 I want to fight the best guys.

02:02:31.000 That's just it.

02:02:32.000 I want to fight the best guys in the world. 0.98

02:02:33.000 If you guys think this is the best guy, why do you think I've been calling DC's fat ass out for so long? 0.96

02:02:39.000 He's the best guy, brother. 0.97

02:02:40.000 I didn't fight him. 0.96

02:02:41.000 And then DC had the audacity fight week to tell me if he made 45, I was like, brother, you make 45, I'm killing you.

02:02:47.000 Right now it's a fight. 1.00

02:02:48.000 But if DC, you try to make 45, I'm going to kill you, brother. 0.99

02:02:52.000 But right now it's a fair fight because you're so heavy. 1.00

02:02:54.000 He would have to chop both his legs off, but he still wouldn't make 45. Brother, he would have to do so much, but he looked like Mr. Potato Head.

02:03:00.000 Can you pull your body apart like Mr. Potato Head?

02:03:02.000 I think DC could have made 85. I think he could've.

02:03:04.000 I think.

02:03:05.000 When he was 205, he was never lean.

02:03:06.000 Yeah, I think he could've.

02:03:08.000 If he really wanted to, but he loved food, bro.

02:03:10.000 I know.

02:03:11.000 He loves food, bro.

02:03:11.000 Imagine that guy at 85. Good lord.

02:03:13.000 Oh my gosh.

02:03:14.000 Good lord.

02:03:15.000 That'd be his normal weight class.

02:03:17.000 That's his real weight class.

02:03:18.000 He'd actually be the height-wise of people at 85ers.

02:03:21.000 I mean, there is some tall 85ers, don't get me wrong, but he, bro, him in heavyweight, brother, he's like- I know.

02:03:26.000 He gets dwarfed.

02:03:27.000 It's crazy.

02:03:28.000 Brother, he's dwarfed.

02:03:29.000 That's insane that he fought at heavyweight, you know?

02:03:31.000 I know, and he won.

02:03:32.000 He won.

02:03:33.000 And he knocked out Stipe.

02:03:34.000 Stipe. 0.62

02:03:34.000 Crazy. 0.62

02:03:35.000 The heavyweight that people consider, he knocked him out, bro. 0.96

02:03:38.000 Crazy. 0.93

02:03:39.000 Crazy. 0.93

02:03:39.000 But then you see in the second fight, he's really not a heavyweight. 0.93

02:03:43.000 Yeah.

02:03:44.000 And then you see in the third fight, it's not right.

02:03:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:03:47.000 You can tell, bro.

02:03:48.000 He just loves to eat, bro.

02:03:50.000 He's a Louisiana boy, bro.

02:03:53.000 He loves those little...

02:03:55.000 When they make their pots, their crab boils and stuff, bro.

02:03:59.000 It's going to be interesting, though, to see someone at 85 that's that caliber of wrestler.

02:04:04.000 So if someone who's of a DC caliber of wrestling does rise up through the Olympic ranks and then gets into the 185-pound division, It has the same kind of punching power.

02:04:14.000 Is there anyone that is there?

02:04:16.000 Not that weight class.

02:04:18.000 Not in the UFC. No.

02:04:20.000 There's some real good wrestlers like Johnny Eblen.

02:04:22.000 Is Bo Nickel like an Olympic wrestler too or no?

02:04:25.000 He's that caliber.

02:04:27.000 But Bo Nickel, you know, he'll tell you he's got a lot of work to do.

02:04:31.000 He was very upset.

02:04:32.000 That was his last fight.

02:04:33.000 Oh, yeah. 0.95

02:04:34.000 Crazy. 0.75

02:04:35.000 I saw that.

02:04:36.000 My brother, you did what you had to do, bro.

02:04:38.000 You won.

02:04:39.000 But, you know, Cody Bruns is good.

02:04:40.000 And he gave him some troubles.

02:04:42.000 And he gave him some trouble standing up.

02:04:44.000 You know, he's going to have a real hard time with the elite strikers at that weight class if they have good takedown defense.

02:04:49.000 But his wrestling is far above and beyond most people in that division.

02:04:53.000 Yeah, but that's the beauty of our sport, right?

02:04:56.000 That is the beauty of our sport.

02:04:57.000 I never did any type of wrestling.

02:04:59.000 And I feel like I could wrestle with the best of them in an MMA fight.

02:05:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:03.000 I'm even crazy enough to be like, bro, I'll go wrestle you at a wrestle practice. 0.99

02:05:06.000 I don't give a shit. 0.99

02:05:07.000 What's the worst you're going to do? 1.00

02:05:08.000 You're going to ragdoll me?

02:05:09.000 Okay.

02:05:09.000 Perfect.

02:05:10.000 That's what you're supposed to do.

02:05:11.000 But what happens when you don't? 1.00

02:05:13.000 And I make it a wrestling and you're like, holy fuck. 0.99

02:05:15.000 This guy's actually pretty good, you know? 0.99

02:05:17.000 So at the end of the day, that's why you just got to be great.

02:05:20.000 That's why I love MMA, bro.

02:05:21.000 And one punch, one kick, one knee, one elbow, one takedown, you know what I mean?

02:05:26.000 Like even takedown, like how much time you take someone down, your shoulder land in their stomach, change the whole fight.

02:05:31.000 They go, oh, oh, oh, you're breathing hard, brother?

02:05:33.000 What's going on there?

02:05:34.000 You know, you just, you start laying on guys.

02:05:37.000 That's why MMA is beautiful, bro.

02:05:39.000 You don't know what is going on.

02:05:40.000 You don't know what's going to go on.

02:05:41.000 And it's, so many different things can happen.

02:05:44.000 How about that Zhang, Wei Li, Yan Xiao Nan fight?

02:05:47.000 Oh, crazy, bro.

02:05:47.000 We was watching in the back.

02:05:49.000 They're good, bro.

02:05:50.000 Bro, when Yan Xiaonan decided not to tap and went out and then woke up at the end of the first round, like when the bell rang, and Zhang Weili lets go over, and she's like, what is happening?

02:06:00.000 And she goes right back to her corner and they're like, is that legal?

02:06:03.000 She's out!

02:06:04.000 She was out cold at the end of the first round.

02:06:06.000 I didn't see that part.

02:06:06.000 Oh, man.

02:06:07.000 Bro, she was out cold.

02:06:08.000 Can we see that clip?

02:06:10.000 Yeah, out cold.

02:06:10.000 I want to see that clip.

02:06:11.000 That's crazy.

02:06:12.000 She was out cold.

02:06:12.000 But that's insane, right?

02:06:13.000 She wouldn't tap. 0.55

02:06:14.000 That's insane.

02:06:15.000 I just saw a lot of the...

02:06:17.000 I didn't see that part, but then I saw the second, maybe the third, running on, and they was battling, bro.

02:06:22.000 Oh, they were battling.

02:06:23.000 It was a crazy fight, man.

02:06:25.000 Yon Chow Non is a beast. 0.73

02:06:27.000 She's good, man. 0.99

02:06:28.000 And she's so gangster. 0.99

02:06:29.000 The fact she wouldn't tap... 0.93

02:06:31.000 Fully locked in, rear naked choke, goes to sleep.

02:06:34.000 These guys are like, I don't dishonor my family, bro.

02:06:36.000 They're next level, bro.

02:06:38.000 These guys are warriors, bro.

02:06:40.000 People don't understand. 0.95

02:06:41.000 A lot of these out-of-country fighters, bro, they're insane, bro.

02:06:47.000 It's insane when you see an outside fight, like an out-of-country fighter quit.

02:06:51.000 Because a lot of them don't.

02:06:52.000 They come from almost like, you know, like Charleston.

02:06:55.000 They come from the slums. 0.99

02:06:56.000 China, they come from places where it's like... 1.00

02:06:58.000 You almost get bred into being a fighter, you know?

02:07:01.000 Like, this is what you're gonna do.

02:07:02.000 This is it, you know?

02:07:03.000 Like Shopkot.

02:07:04.000 Yeah.

02:07:05.000 Shopkot rocked one off.

02:07:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:07:07.000 That dude's a beast. 1.00

02:07:08.000 Crazy, bro. 0.99

02:07:09.000 Apparently, he fought that fight with, like, a broken foot or something. 0.78

02:07:11.000 He had something wrong with him, his last fight.

02:07:14.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

02:07:15.000 With Wonderboy, that's why he took him down, submitted him.

02:07:17.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:07:17.000 Bro.

02:07:18.000 Yeah.

02:07:18.000 Yeah, that guy, bro.

02:07:19.000 Oh, my God.

02:07:20.000 He's...

02:07:20.000 He couldn't strike because he had something wrong with him.

02:07:22.000 Even when he fought Neil?

02:07:24.000 Yeah.

02:07:25.000 Bro, what is his name?

02:07:27.000 Jeff Neal.

02:07:28.000 Yeah, Jeff Neal, bro.

02:07:30.000 Who does that to him?

02:07:31.000 Bro, you know how strong you gotta be to do that to Jeff Neal?

02:07:34.000 Jeff Neal was 200 pounds that night, they said. 1.00

02:07:37.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:07:38.000 Jeff Neal's good, too, man. 0.99

02:07:39.000 He gained 30 pounds, bro.

02:07:40.000 Yeah.

02:07:41.000 Yeah.

02:07:42.000 Bro, that guy is weird strong, bro.

02:07:44.000 They just...

02:07:45.000 I know, it doesn't look it.

02:07:46.000 No!

02:07:47.000 No, not at all, but to squeeze someone's neck off like that, bro, standing? 0.50

02:07:50.000 Standing.

02:07:51.000 That's like a...

02:07:51.000 One hook in.

02:07:52.000 That was like a...

02:07:53.000 That was almost like a bully.

02:07:54.000 Like a bully show, like, I got you.

02:07:56.000 Say uncle, you know?

02:07:57.000 Like, that's crazy, bro.

02:07:58.000 That's insane.

02:07:59.000 In my mind, I was looking at it that way.

02:08:00.000 Like, that is insane.

02:08:01.000 And how you do it to Neo.

02:08:02.000 Neo's a tough son of a gun, bro.

02:08:04.000 And he punches hard. 0.88

02:08:05.000 And he landed hard shots.

02:08:07.000 And Chaga was like, boom, boom, okay. 1.00

02:08:10.000 Now I choke you. 1.00

02:08:11.000 It's a wild time for talent.

02:08:13.000 There's so many guys.

02:08:14.000 Brother, and you know what is cool?

02:08:16.000 It's a wild time for talent, and it's in every weight class.

02:08:20.000 You know how certain weight classes are like, ah, yeah, they got this and that, whatever, but it's like in almost every weight class.

02:08:26.000 So here it is.

02:08:27.000 This is the end of the round.

02:08:28.000 So Yan Xiaonnan is fully out here.

02:08:32.000 Oh, yeah, she's out. 0.93

02:08:32.000 John Whaley's got, look it, it's a perfect rear naked. 0.93

02:08:35.000 She's fully out. 0.97

02:08:37.000 Like, out cold right now.

02:08:38.000 Bell rings.

02:08:40.000 Let's her go. 1.00

02:08:41.000 Out cold.

02:08:43.000 Lucky she woke up. 0.99

02:08:45.000 She don't know what the fuck's going on. 0.99

02:08:47.000 Whoa! 1.00

02:08:49.000 I did not know that.

02:08:50.000 Yeah, she was out.

02:08:51.000 Out.

02:08:52.000 So if you watch the release...

02:08:53.000 Oh, she's dead!

02:08:54.000 She's dead in like 12 seconds! 1.00

02:08:55.000 Yeah, if you watch the release...

02:08:56.000 I mean, that is a fully...

02:08:57.000 Look at that.

02:08:58.000 Seven seconds, she go out.

02:08:59.000 Look at the palm placement, too.

02:09:00.000 The back of the head.

02:09:01.000 I mean, she's doing it perfectly.

02:09:03.000 Okay, five seconds.

02:09:03.000 Right there, out.

02:09:05.000 She's out.

02:09:05.000 Out.

02:09:05.000 So look at her hands are completely limp.

02:09:08.000 So she's out.

02:09:10.000 And the referee puts his hands on her. 1.00

02:09:12.000 She gets up.

02:09:14.000 And she's like, what?

02:09:15.000 What's going on?

02:09:16.000 She literally doesn't know where she's going.

02:09:18.000 To the death.

02:09:19.000 To the death.

02:09:20.000 To the death.

02:09:21.000 Yeah.

02:09:22.000 Woof! 0.98

02:09:23.000 Woof! 0.98

02:09:25.000 Imagine you gotta fight someone like that.

02:09:27.000 That's next level, bro.

02:09:28.000 That's a BMS. Yeah.

02:09:30.000 You know what's wild about the BMF? When somebody asked Dana, Dana was like, oh, what about the BMF? Are you going to make it for girls?

02:09:36.000 And Dana was like, the BMF is for whoever. 1.00

02:09:39.000 I was like, wait, what the fuck? 0.99

02:09:40.000 I was like, what, Dana? 0.99

02:09:41.000 What does that mean?

02:09:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:09:43.000 He's like, anybody can fight for the BMF. I was like, Dana.

02:09:45.000 Why does that mean?

02:09:46.000 You can't be telling me.

02:09:47.000 Kayla Harrison is going to try to challenge you for the BMF and let her fight at 55 again. 1.00

02:09:52.000 You can't be saying that shit, Dana. 1.00

02:09:54.000 What the hell is going on? 1.00

02:09:54.000 Yeah, that's ridiculous. 1.00

02:09:55.000 Don't say that. 0.99

02:09:56.000 Oh, man.

02:09:57.000 Don't say that.

02:09:58.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

02:09:59.000 They might have a female BMF one day. 0.99

02:10:02.000 I should, bro.

02:10:02.000 Yeah.

02:10:03.000 Well, he's up there.

02:10:04.000 Yeah.

02:10:05.000 John, he's up there. 1.00

02:10:06.000 But you can't be a motherfucker if you're a girl. 1.00

02:10:08.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:10:09.000 What do you call the BDF? Well, I guess you could if it's a lesbian wins it. 1.00

02:10:15.000 Oh my god, that's terrible. 0.98

02:10:17.000 I guess.

02:10:18.000 Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong.

02:10:19.000 I mean, what are we saying? 1.00

02:10:21.000 I mean, obviously, a motherfucker is a different thing. 1.00

02:10:24.000 But if you didn't understand our language, and you said, the baddest motherfucker? 1.00

02:10:28.000 Like, what? 1.00

02:10:28.000 They'd be looking at you, what is this? 1.00

02:10:30.000 Right, other countries that have to translate the BMF, they're like, what are they saying?

02:10:34.000 Yeah.

02:10:36.000 Bro, I forgot we was fighting for the BMF too, you know?

02:10:40.000 When Bruce was...

02:10:41.000 I never ever got an N new, brother. 1.00

02:10:42.000 I don't know if you...

02:10:43.000 I think I told you before.

02:10:44.000 You never got an N new?

02:10:45.000 Yeah.

02:10:46.000 So when I won the interim title, it was like, and now!

02:10:51.000 So when I beat Pettis, and then when I fought Aldo...

02:10:54.000 It was and now.

02:10:56.000 Again, I was like, bro, you owe me an and new, so I never ever got the and new.

02:10:59.000 I gave Bruce a hard time about it, and then I got my and new now, but I was tripping out when I was going there, and I was in there waiting. 0.92

02:11:06.000 I was like, what the fuck is Bruce taking so long? 0.94

02:11:08.000 Didn't I just see the knockout? 1.00

02:11:10.000 Say I want her.

02:11:11.000 Get my hand raised, and then he was like, and new, undisputed BMF. I was like, oh, shit. 1.00

02:11:18.000 I was like, oh, yeah, finally got it. 0.99

02:11:20.000 But we need an undisputed end news.

02:11:22.000 So are you in a holding pattern now?

02:11:25.000 How does it work?

02:11:26.000 Like in terms of what happens for you in the future?

02:11:28.000 We see what happens, man.

02:11:29.000 We see what happens.

02:11:30.000 I mean, we're...

02:11:31.000 So you see what happens in New Jersey.

02:11:32.000 Yeah, we see what happens in New Jersey.

02:11:35.000 I couldn't tell you, to be honest. 0.96

02:11:37.000 All I know is Dana White pulled my ass after the fight and be like, brother, things are about to change, so I'm waiting. 0.96

02:11:43.000 I'm waiting for the change, Dana. 0.99

02:11:44.000 Let us know.

02:11:45.000 We'll be sitting.

02:11:46.000 We're waiting right now.

02:11:48.000 They gave me like a 30-day no-contact.

02:11:50.000 The normal thing that they do after a fight.

02:11:53.000 A lot of people don't know that.

02:11:54.000 Everybody's like, what does it mean?

02:11:55.000 30 days.

02:11:56.000 Are you okay?

02:11:56.000 I'm like, brother, this is just regular stuff that we gotta rest after a fight.

02:12:01.000 I'm doing that right now.

02:12:03.000 Me and Tim, they didn't hit us about anything really.

02:12:06.000 Like I said, Ilya writing paragraphs over to us on Twitter.

02:12:11.000 What did he say?

02:12:11.000 Can I see what he said?

02:12:12.000 I didn't even know what he said.

02:12:13.000 I wanna see what he says.

02:12:15.000 I don't even think you're gonna read through the whole thing too, bro.

02:12:18.000 You might read half of it and just stop reading.

02:12:20.000 He's an interesting guy.

02:12:21.000 He says he gets drunk the week of the fight, like the night before the weigh-ins.

02:12:25.000 I saw that he drinks wine to make weight.

02:12:28.000 You get a buzz, you relax.

02:12:30.000 Good for him.

02:12:31.000 If it works, he never missed a lead.

02:12:33.000 That's awesome.

02:12:34.000 I guess you could do it.

02:12:35.000 Look, dehydrating yourself to make weight is horrible for you.

02:12:40.000 You're already doing that. 0.91

02:12:41.000 I don't think wine is going to fuck you up. 0.94

02:12:43.000 The only thing questionable about me is whether I finish you by KO or submission. 0.93

02:12:47.000 I just beat the guy that beat you.

02:12:48.000 I was doing math.

02:12:49.000 Not once, not twice, but three times.

02:12:52.000 You now have one thing that keeps you relevant and that would grant you a money fight, the BMF belt.

02:12:56.000 I no longer fight for money but for legacy.

02:12:58.000 Already?

02:13:00.000 He's already fighting for a legacy.

02:13:01.000 No longer fighting for money.

02:13:02.000 Brother, he got gifted an Ashton Morton or something that I saw.

02:13:06.000 Somebody told me.

02:13:07.000 Winning that belt while holding my title will cement me as the first.

02:13:11.000 The first to hold both belts.

02:13:13.000 The first to knock out Volk and what most certainly will happen when we fight.

02:13:16.000 The first one to put you to sleep.

02:13:18.000 Something to calm you down is this.

02:13:20.000 God doesn't shame anyone.

02:13:21.000 You will have a worthy defeat against a champion. 1.00

02:13:23.000 Wow, this is like Roman shit. 0.99

02:13:25.000 You will have a worthy defeat against a champion who will be remembered for eternity. 1.00

02:13:30.000 I decide who, when, and where.

02:13:32.000 If you don't like the terms, I'm sure Ortega will oblige.

02:13:36.000 Well, how are you calling Ortega, right?

02:13:38.000 Right now.

02:13:39.000 How is Ortega like...

02:13:41.000 Even ranked in the...

02:13:42.000 He just beat that year, right?

02:13:44.000 But he was away for like three years and I even see him calling for a shot.

02:13:47.000 I'm like...

02:13:48.000 Yeah, one fight against Yair when Yair just lost against Volk.

02:13:53.000 Yeah.

02:13:54.000 Yair is wild.

02:13:56.000 I love watching that dude fight.

02:13:58.000 Like, that guy kicks like nobody else in the sport.

02:14:00.000 Brother, if he...

02:14:01.000 They're like jabs.

02:14:03.000 Brother, he can...

02:14:04.000 There's like a switch, bro.

02:14:06.000 If he flips it, he's going to be like way more...

02:14:09.000 Like, he's a scary dude already, bro.

02:14:10.000 But there's a switch that he just needs to flip it and he's going to start figuring out and like...

02:14:17.000 It's gonna be problems, bro.

02:14:18.000 A lot of problems.

02:14:20.000 Bro, when I fought him- A long way.

02:14:21.000 You know what's funny?

02:14:21.000 Because when I fought him, I think that was the best Yair that anybody ever saw when we fought in the Apex.

02:14:27.000 So there's fighters that I feel like when you go in front of a crowd, they're not fighting to a full capacity.

02:14:34.000 And there's some fighters when you fight Apex where it's like in the gym, they're just going to shine.

02:14:40.000 Yair is like when we fought there and I hit him with a couple of shots. 0.96

02:14:43.000 And before, you'd see him get hit a couple of shots in different fights and kind of like weather away and be like, oh yeah, whatever.

02:14:49.000 And like, The fight just, you know, kind of like get in there and then almost like gets finished because of the fight's not going his way or whatever, right?

02:14:56.000 And I was hitting him with seven shots and I was just thinking in there like, bro, just quit, bro.

02:15:00.000 What are you doing?

02:15:01.000 Like, why are we making this so much harder, you know?

02:15:03.000 You're making this fight so hard. 1.00

02:15:05.000 I had to take his ass down. 1.00

02:15:07.000 I was like, what are we doing here, brother? 1.00

02:15:09.000 Where the hell did this fucking superhero year come out of, you know? 0.99

02:15:13.000 But, uh... 0.99

02:15:13.000 Well, you gotta remember, Yair, you go back to the Frankie Edgar fight, right? 0.99

02:15:17.000 So Yair gets dominated by Frankie Edgar on the ground.

02:15:20.000 And then you get Yair 2.0 after that.

02:15:23.000 And he's much better at takedown defense, really good at submitting guys off his back.

02:15:26.000 It's just like more of these fights.

02:15:28.000 And he's still a young guy.

02:15:29.000 He's young, bro.

02:15:30.000 Yeah, Yair still hasn't reached his potential yet.

02:15:32.000 But when it comes to kicks, that dude kicks like nobody else in the sport.

02:15:36.000 He's the best kicker in the sport, I think.

02:15:37.000 Like I said, bro, nose to nose, brother.

02:15:39.000 We're, like, right here?

02:15:41.000 Pow! 0.91

02:15:41.000 I was like, whoa! 0.91

02:15:43.000 Bro, there's a clip of me, like, he kicks through my hand.

02:15:46.000 I was like, what the...

02:15:46.000 I never see him, too.

02:15:47.000 I was like, this motherfucker's so fast. 0.99

02:15:48.000 Bro, he hit BJ Penn with a 360 roundhouse kick. 1.00

02:15:52.000 Brother, crazy, yeah. 0.94

02:15:53.000 Crazy, bro. 0.96

02:15:55.000 360 roundhouse kick on a legend. 0.98

02:15:57.000 Crazy, bro.

02:15:57.000 Yeah.

02:15:58.000 Bro, I'm telling you, bro.

02:16:00.000 Like I said, bro, he's going to be a problem, bro.

02:16:02.000 There's one switch that he's going to flip.

02:16:05.000 It's going to see, and I'm going to...

02:16:06.000 And if you're a guy who likes to stay on the outside and you fight that guy, you gotta change everything.

02:16:11.000 His kicks is like jabs, like you said. 1.00

02:16:14.000 He got kicks, he got spinning shit. 1.00

02:16:17.000 He got hell elbows, bro. 1.00

02:16:20.000 He got everything. 1.00

02:16:21.000 Even when I was fighting him, bro, we knew he was gonna throw that stupid elbow at places, and I get fucking caught by him. 1.00

02:16:27.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:16:28.000 Like, why? 1.00

02:16:30.000 I knew it was coming and it hit me.

02:16:31.000 I was like, bro, what is going on?

02:16:33.000 This guy is so freaking...

02:16:34.000 He's out of the box.

02:16:35.000 He's so dynamic.

02:16:36.000 He's out of the box, bro.

02:16:37.000 And you can't find a guy that's going to spar like him.

02:16:40.000 Bro, nobody's wild because nobody's willing to take chances.

02:16:43.000 It's good because when we were sparring for him, like I said, we wouldn't really hit guys.

02:16:48.000 Look at this guy, bro.

02:16:50.000 Josh Emmett.

02:16:52.000 And he does that too.

02:16:54.000 That left kick and then that right overhand punch. 1.00

02:16:56.000 Bro, those kicks are coming from everywhere.

02:16:59.000 Look at this.

02:16:59.000 I mean, that left kick to the body and then that right hand behind it.

02:17:02.000 Yeah.

02:17:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:17:04.000 Josh Emmett's a scary motherfucker, though. 1.00

02:17:06.000 Oof. 1.00

02:17:07.000 That knockout of Bryce.

02:17:09.000 Oh, Bryce Mitchell.

02:17:10.000 Oh, my God.

02:17:11.000 That was crazy.

02:17:12.000 That dude, he's got hammers for fists. 1.00

02:17:15.000 Oh, yeah, bro.

02:17:16.000 He's one of those guys, yeah.

02:17:17.000 But he's one of them load-up dudes.

02:17:19.000 Everything's coming for death. 0.97

02:17:20.000 Every shot's death.

02:17:22.000 It's death.

02:17:23.000 Yeah, I know.

02:17:24.000 That's why.

02:17:25.000 My name and Jeremy fought the two hammer dudes, brother.

02:17:29.000 When they meet, they collided, you know?

02:17:30.000 That was a crazy fight.

02:17:32.000 That was a crazy fight.

02:17:33.000 Yeah, I saw somebody claim that...

02:17:35.000 That's why I talk about Jeremy, because I saw somebody claim that Josh was the hardest-hitting.45, and Jeremy was like, what?

02:17:42.000 Someone say something?

02:17:45.000 Jeremy's so funny.

02:17:46.000 I love that dude, bro.

02:17:47.000 Steven's the man, bro.

02:17:48.000 He's a bad man.

02:17:49.000 Steven's had some crazy knockouts this time. 1.00

02:17:52.000 Remember Rafael Dos Anjos?

02:17:53.000 Oh, yeah.

02:17:54.000 At 55?

02:17:55.000 Yeah, crazy, bro.

02:17:56.000 Yeah, Jeremy can crack. 0.70

02:17:58.000 He's a wild dude.

02:17:59.000 It's a crazy sport, man.

02:18:01.000 I mean, there's really nothing like it in terms of...

02:18:03.000 I mean, I know I'm biased, but...

02:18:05.000 But in terms of excitement, in terms of when you want to be entertained, go watch some fights.

02:18:11.000 Oh bro, for sure.

02:18:12.000 You know it's funny because a lot of people, they can almost put themselves in a fight because we all fought.

02:18:21.000 It is in our DNA. We all fought at some point in our life.

02:18:23.000 Even if it wasn't like a fight fight, you fought your siblings, you fought your cousin.

02:18:28.000 So everybody know that feeling like, oh, this is nuts.

02:18:31.000 This is crazy.

02:18:32.000 So you have that feeling in you of fighting.

02:18:35.000 To say that you didn't fight your cousin or even your friend, even if it was a little slap fight or whatever and you guys hugged it out after, you fought somebody.

02:18:43.000 At some moment in your life.

02:18:44.000 And that's what draws it.

02:18:46.000 And you can feel the emotion.

02:18:48.000 And then when guys get into it, they're like, oh man, I would have did this, do that, do this.

02:18:52.000 I'm like, yeah, okay.

02:18:53.000 Then you get into a fight.

02:18:54.000 You see guys like this.

02:18:55.000 Like what?

02:18:56.000 What the hell is all this stuff you're talking about?

02:18:58.000 Yeah, most people like grossly underestimate their abilities. 0.64

02:19:02.000 Brother.

02:19:03.000 But that's the game, you know?

02:19:05.000 And that's why everybody loves it.

02:19:06.000 Because it's so entertaining.

02:19:08.000 Because it's like, oh my gosh.

02:19:09.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:19:10.000 You know?

02:19:10.000 But then it's like, almost sometimes some guys are just like, they're supposed to hope in themselves.

02:19:16.000 I'm like, brother, don't do that.

02:19:17.000 Don't do that. 1.00

02:19:18.000 Don't be silly. 0.98

02:19:18.000 You know, like guys calling out Demetrius and then calling out Marimos and then they show that Marimos like rolled up that guy in his jiu-jitsu tournament. 0.98

02:19:27.000 I'm like, brother.

02:19:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:19:28.000 And even when we talk about this fake, like, it's like, oh, in a street fight, when everybody's like, in a street fight, like, I'm whatever, 300 pounds, bro, in a street fight, I'll kick you right in the dick. 0.99

02:19:39.000 The first thing I'm doing, I'm going to kick you right in the baby maker. 1.00

02:19:42.000 I'm going to gouge your eyes. 1.00

02:19:44.000 I'll bite your ear off. 1.00

02:19:46.000 This is a street fight, brother. 1.00

02:19:47.000 I'll have a gun. 1.00

02:19:48.000 I'll shoot you. 1.00

02:19:48.000 Who cares? 1.00

02:19:49.000 I'm going to win in a street fight.

02:19:51.000 No rules, brother?

02:19:53.000 Come on. 0.99

02:19:53.000 The idea that if you give a guy no rules, all of a sudden it becomes lethal is so ridiculous. 0.99

02:19:58.000 Oh my God. 0.96

02:19:58.000 Why? 0.96

02:19:59.000 What?

02:20:00.000 You're not going to scare me?

02:20:02.000 I was real angry when I would talk to karate guys.

02:20:04.000 They'd say, your stuff is good for sport, but what we do is for the street.

02:20:06.000 I'd be like, what are you talking about? 0.99

02:20:09.000 That is the dumbest thing you could ever say. 1.00

02:20:10.000 You're practicing street techniques? 1.00

02:20:12.000 Is that what you're practicing?

02:20:13.000 Did you not watch USC 1 Karate Matter?

02:20:16.000 But there's so many people that just want to...

02:20:18.000 That's the beautiful thing about MMA as well and all martial arts is that the training humbles you.

02:20:23.000 Oh, yeah.

02:20:24.000 The reality humbles you.

02:20:26.000 No, but you know what is the most hilarious ones is when it does it.

02:20:30.000 Like, you see these guys troll. 0.99

02:20:32.000 They come and they get their ass kicked and they're back on. 1.00

02:20:34.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:20:35.000 I still kick your ass. 1.00

02:20:36.000 That was just one day. 1.00

02:20:37.000 You know?

02:20:37.000 Watch when I start training.

02:20:38.000 I'm like...

02:20:39.000 Brother, but that wasn't it. 0.96

02:20:41.000 The conversation was saying, you could kill me now, you know?

02:20:44.000 That's just delusional. 0.82

02:20:44.000 It's just funny. 0.82

02:20:46.000 Some guys, they need to do some study on their brains.

02:20:49.000 It would be amazing.

02:20:50.000 Well, there's so many different kinds of mindsets that allow someone to get into fighting, but when they get to a championship level, what I try to explain to people, do you understand the kind of human being that's capable of fighting the most skillful fighters in the world and rising above them all?

02:21:06.000 That's a rare person.

02:21:08.000 Yeah, that's insane.

02:21:09.000 A lot of things that had to fall into place to make a Max Holloway.

02:21:13.000 Yeah.

02:21:13.000 A lot of things.

02:21:14.000 For sure.

02:21:15.000 But you're just like this peace-loving, easy-going guy, real friendly.

02:21:19.000 I love it.

02:21:20.000 People get confused.

02:21:21.000 Yeah.

02:21:21.000 They get confused.

02:21:22.000 There's a monster inside their head.

02:21:24.000 You know what's funny?

02:21:26.000 This was a while back when we was training at our old gym.

02:21:31.000 Some guys would come visit my head coach, Ryan Lazar.

02:21:34.000 And I'm around wrestlers, so these guys are like...

02:21:38.000 You know, wrestler bodies.

02:21:39.000 They're just stacked.

02:21:40.000 Big, small, whatever.

02:21:41.000 And I'm just this little skinny kid.

02:21:43.000 This is when I was starting my UFC career.

02:21:44.000 I'm this skinny kid. 0.99

02:21:45.000 If you look at the pictures, like, no chest having ass. 1.00

02:21:48.000 I look like a dork next to this guy. 0.99

02:21:50.000 I had some tattoos. 0.84

02:21:52.000 And then they asked him, oh, he was like, if I told you you had to fight one of these guys, you had to fight any one of these guys to leave the gym, who would you fight?

02:22:03.000 Who would you choose?

02:22:04.000 And then the guy chose me. 0.98

02:22:05.000 He's like, oh, you chose wrong because that guy would kill you. 0.64

02:22:08.000 He's like, all these other guys, you might have a chance because they might take you down, hold you down, maybe ground upon you, but that guy is going to just straight kill you in any way you can find.

02:22:15.000 So, yeah, looks can be deceiving, brother. 0.66

02:22:18.000 Like I said, I love harassing DC, but that guy looked like a bag of potatoes, brother.

02:22:25.000 And he was a double champ and number one pound for pound in the world, brother.

02:22:28.000 It's not looks, right?

02:22:29.000 It's a mindset and it's what you got to do.

02:22:31.000 Well, Fedor... 1.00

02:22:32.000 Fedor too, yeah, holy shit. 1.00

02:22:34.000 Best example of that. 0.99

02:22:35.000 They always had a muffin top.

02:22:36.000 Brother.

02:22:37.000 Always.

02:22:37.000 Always just stood there, blank faced.

02:22:38.000 He could probably make 205. Oh yeah, easy.

02:22:41.000 Easy bro.

02:22:42.000 He might be able to make 85. Fedor walked around about 235 pounds.

02:22:46.000 Yeah, I think so one time he was like 230, 225. Yeah, fat, fat.

02:22:52.000 Never was ripped. 0.93

02:22:53.000 Never was ripped. 0.98

02:22:53.000 Fucked everybody up. 0.98

02:22:55.000 Fucked everybody up. 1.00

02:22:57.000 Crazy, bro. 1.00

02:22:58.000 Crazy. 0.91

02:22:58.000 And then it was crazy how Dan Hendel did him like that. 0.91

02:23:01.000 This is late, but for Dan Hendel to do that at any point in their career is insane, bro.

02:23:07.000 I know, insane.

02:23:07.000 Dan Hendel is a man.

02:23:09.000 He's a bad motherfucker, bro. 1.00

02:23:10.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:23:10.000 If he was around during the bell, he'd be one of the guys fighting for bell, too, bro. 1.00

02:23:13.000 Oh, yeah.

02:23:14.000 He's a BMF, bro.

02:23:15.000 True and true.

02:23:16.000 Oh, 100%.

02:23:16.000 His logo, like how everybody's like, oh, your logo's so good.

02:23:19.000 His logo's so good, bro.

02:23:20.000 I love Bisping, but bro.

02:23:23.000 I know.

02:23:23.000 That's iconic, bro.

02:23:24.000 It's iconic.

02:23:25.000 And that knockout of Fedor was iconic, too, because how is he fighting him at heavyweight?

02:23:29.000 What are you doing?

02:23:31.000 Oh, I don't know.

02:23:32.000 Why are you fighting Fedor at heavyweight? 0.99

02:23:33.000 Who the fuck... 0.99

02:23:35.000 He's on 85, bro. 1.00

02:23:36.000 And he KOs him.

02:23:38.000 What an underpunch, bro.

02:23:40.000 Snug out the back door, escaped on the ground, and hit him with an uppercut. 0.94

02:23:44.000 Bro. 0.99

02:23:45.000 Yeah, he was a monster, man. 0.99

02:23:47.000 Dan Henderson was a bad man. 1.00

02:23:48.000 Bro, bad man.

02:23:49.000 In the early days, I mean, he's a pioneer.

02:23:52.000 I mean, that guy was fighting in MMA in the 90s.

02:23:56.000 Mother, what 90?

02:23:57.000 Because I was born in the one.

02:23:59.000 Yeah.

02:24:01.000 Yeah, he was fighting MMA before you were born. 0.64

02:24:04.000 Brother, crazy.

02:24:05.000 And you guys were in the same era. 0.99

02:24:07.000 That's insane.

02:24:08.000 That's insane, yeah.

02:24:09.000 Crazy.

02:24:10.000 Holy, I never looked at it that way.

02:24:11.000 Yeah, man.

02:24:11.000 Because your era started when you were 20 years old, right?

02:24:14.000 And while you're fighting, Dan Henderson was the man.

02:24:17.000 Yeah. 0.89

02:24:17.000 Crazy. 0.89

02:24:17.000 Still fighting, yeah. 0.89

02:24:18.000 Crazy.

02:24:19.000 And he was fighting before you were even conceived. 0.92

02:24:23.000 Yeah.

02:24:24.000 Years before you were conceived.

02:24:26.000 I wasn't even a thought.

02:24:26.000 Not even a thought.

02:24:28.000 You were in another dimension waiting.

02:24:30.000 Any day now.

02:24:31.000 Yeah.

02:24:31.000 Come on, pops.

02:24:32.000 When the hell am I going to win this race?

02:24:33.000 Let's go.

02:24:34.000 And now here you are.

02:24:35.000 Listen man, it's beautiful for me as a fan of you and as a friend to see this renaissance and to see people just giving you your due.

02:24:46.000 That's a thing that happens when a guy loses a couple of fights.

02:24:49.000 They sleep on him.

02:24:51.000 We were talking about it during the walk.

02:24:53.000 I'm like, Max is only 32 years old.

02:24:55.000 You have to understand, he's in his prime right now.

02:24:57.000 This is a guy who keeps getting better every time we see him.

02:25:01.000 And they counted you out, man, and you came up big.

02:25:05.000 As big as anybody ever has.

02:25:07.000 You had to do something, brother.

02:25:08.000 I was just, you know, I shout out to Dana, them, Dana, Hunter.

02:25:11.000 Shout out to Sean Shelby, bro.

02:25:13.000 Behind the scenes, Sean Shelby know what he did for this fight.

02:25:15.000 He's the man, bro.

02:25:16.000 He's the man.

02:25:17.000 Those guys are great.

02:25:18.000 Him and Nick are the best.

02:25:19.000 Yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't, bro.

02:25:23.000 Just wrapping your head around, bro, just to have that fight at UFC 300, bro.

02:25:28.000 UFC 300 is huge all around.

02:25:30.000 You know it's a big card.

02:25:32.000 And then to get that finish, like a lot of people are saying it's the movie-type finish against Justin Gaethje, a guy who's supposed to, you said it best, outgun me.

02:25:40.000 Too big, too strong.

02:25:41.000 Yep. 0.99

02:25:42.000 Was supposed to fucking Tony 2.0 me, whatever the hell that means. 0.94

02:25:45.000 How much of a favorite was he at fight time? 0.98

02:25:48.000 Brother, at fight time, he still was 2-1, I believe.

02:25:51.000 It was like 2-1.

02:25:52.000 I think it opened at like 260. I think so he closed at like 230. I might be wrong.

02:25:58.000 Somewhere in that range.

02:25:59.000 People told me it was like 2-1.

02:26:02.000 I'm just happy, you know.

02:26:04.000 A lot of my fans, they don't really get me on the dog.

02:26:07.000 So, you know, thank you for rocking with me for many years, you know.

02:26:10.000 There it is.

02:26:10.000 Well, it was the biggest challenge of your career, and it was the best performance.

02:26:14.000 I mean, you were on point, man.

02:26:16.000 Thank you, brother.

02:26:17.000 The strategy, the movement, everything, that jump, spinning, back kick.

02:26:20.000 Because DC kept saying, like, this is a new skill.

02:26:22.000 Like, the way he's laying here.

02:26:23.000 Yeah, DC's not my friend, bro.

02:26:24.000 He's not a real friend, bro. 1.00

02:26:26.000 This motherfucker telling me a new skill. 0.99

02:26:28.000 I've been throwing this from my third UFC fight ever. 1.00

02:26:31.000 You have, but it was way better now.

02:26:33.000 Oh yeah, it's way better now.

02:26:35.000 It's like anything, right?

02:26:37.000 It's going to get better.

02:26:38.000 We kept practicing it, bro.

02:26:40.000 Like you said, bro, you know how devastating this kick is.

02:26:43.000 That kick can change.

02:26:45.000 Even if you land it on the liver, even if it doesn't hurt it, it's going to like longevity.

02:26:51.000 I like saying what Teddy Atlas say.

02:26:53.000 You know, you put water in the basement, bro.

02:26:55.000 If I land that good in your stomach, it doesn't feel nice, brother.

02:27:00.000 Even if you look normal, you're hurting.

02:27:02.000 And then I touch you there, it's just going to shock your whole body and it's going to hurt, bro.

02:27:07.000 It's going to hurt.

02:27:08.000 So that spinning back kick, brother, it's just...

02:27:10.000 Like I said, the video game, watching you bend the bag, brother, if you could put up that clip, bro, you was bending that bag and I was like... 0.99

02:27:18.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:27:19.000 This kick is strong as shit. 1.00

02:27:21.000 I was just thinking of breaking people's spleens with it. 0.99

02:27:24.000 That was my best one.

02:27:26.000 Yeah, bro.

02:27:26.000 That's me now as an old man, though.

02:27:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:27:29.000 The other one was a younger one, yeah.

02:27:30.000 But it's still, I still know how to do it right.

02:27:33.000 Look at that.

02:27:34.000 Yeah, look at that bag. 0.81

02:27:34.000 The thing about old people today, like, that's what's interesting about this Jake Paul, Mike Tyson fight. 0.81

02:27:40.000 Old people today have hormone replacement. 0.99

02:27:42.000 Hormone replacement's a game changer. 0.96

02:27:44.000 Oh, yeah.

02:27:44.000 It's a different thing.

02:27:45.000 Oh, yeah.

02:27:46.000 A 57-year-old man today, like Mike Tyson, it's like, that's not a 57-year-old man from 1994. Oh, this is the one, yes.

02:27:53.000 Oh, that's the 360. So the idea to explain that was that...

02:28:00.000 I forget who used to use that a lot.

02:28:01.000 Oh, Kung Lee.

02:28:03.000 Boom! 0.99

02:28:03.000 Look at this, bro. 0.99

02:28:04.000 That's the clip I saw. 1.00

02:28:06.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

02:28:06.000 I was like, what the hell is Joe Rogan? 1.00

02:28:07.000 Joe Rogan's on drugs. 0.82

02:28:11.000 Bro, look at that.

02:28:14.000 Look at your full extension.

02:28:15.000 Look at the hip, bro. 0.94

02:28:16.000 Pause it right when he brought the freaking landing on the bag, bro. 0.71

02:28:20.000 Look at the full extension, bro. 0.95

02:28:21.000 You hit some...

02:28:23.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:28:24.000 Oh my gosh.

02:28:25.000 That's where you get the maximum amount of power.

02:28:28.000 That's crazy.

02:28:29.000 That's maximum amount of power.

02:28:30.000 Heel facing them, your head looking at it, and you're landing with your heel.

02:28:34.000 And I'm looking over my right shoulder so everything's turned away so I got full extension.

02:28:38.000 I'm pushing off the back leg, kicking with the front leg.

02:28:41.000 Brother.

02:28:41.000 It's crazy power and it's not utilized that much.

02:28:45.000 Dennis Seaver used to have a good one. 0.99

02:28:46.000 Oh, that shit was really good. 0.99

02:28:47.000 I liked him. 1.00

02:28:48.000 Yeah, he had a real good one.

02:28:49.000 And then, going back to what you were saying, brother, with Mike Tyson, did you see the clips of him moving, bro?

02:28:56.000 Yeah, he looks good.

02:28:58.000 He's got months to prepare.

02:28:59.000 Bro, imagine he go in there and just...

02:29:01.000 That would be crazy.

02:29:02.000 Clips a guy, bro?

02:29:03.000 What is going on?

02:29:04.000 He's gonna be hell on wheels in the first round, for sure.

02:29:08.000 He's gonna be hell on wheels.

02:29:09.000 You know, because I don't know how long he can go.

02:29:12.000 I don't know what his joints feel like or his back feels like.

02:29:15.000 I don't know what's really going on.

02:29:17.000 When you're watching clips of a guy hitting the pads.

02:29:19.000 Yeah, let's hope he gets something crazy and then he say his back is broken.

02:29:22.000 That iconic speech.

02:29:24.000 Get another iconic speech from him.

02:29:26.000 It's gonna be interesting.

02:29:28.000 And it's the only time I could ever remember where I would be interested in watching a 57-year-old man fight a 27-year-old man.

02:29:35.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:29:35.000 Like you said, like, even, bro, like, because everybody saw him walking around the cane, right?

02:29:40.000 He's walking around.

02:29:40.000 What if he trolling everybody?

02:29:42.000 What if he knew, bro?

02:29:43.000 What if he knew something we didn't know?

02:29:45.000 What if he's wearing or seeing us all over, you know?

02:29:47.000 But even that, bro, they had the new video of him moving.

02:29:51.000 I'm like, this is not fair.

02:29:52.000 What is he doing?

02:29:53.000 Like, They're going to do everything to him.

02:29:54.000 They're going to give him all the hormones, all the recovery, everything.

02:29:59.000 They're going to do everything they can to get him ready for that.

02:30:01.000 There's a lot of money in this.

02:30:02.000 That's a lot of money, bro.

02:30:04.000 And it's only an exhibition, right?

02:30:05.000 It's not even a real fight, right?

02:30:07.000 And they have 16-ounce gloves, and they have to fight two minutes.

02:30:10.000 Yeah, but you can still kill someone with 16-ounce.

02:30:12.000 If you're Mike Tyson. 1.00

02:30:13.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:30:14.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:30:15.000 If you're Mike Tyson, you know? 1.00

02:30:16.000 I mean, even Paul, bro.

02:30:18.000 Paul is not a small guy.

02:30:20.000 He's big.

02:30:20.000 A lot of guys think he's tiny.

02:30:22.000 He's a huge boy.

02:30:23.000 He's a big dude and he can crack.

02:30:25.000 Yeah.

02:30:26.000 And I always say that people look at him like a guy who is a YouTuber and they're denying his skills.

02:30:31.000 No, no.

02:30:31.000 Not anymore, bro.

02:30:32.000 Before, when he first was coming out, that's the way you should look at him.

02:30:36.000 But nah, bro.

02:30:37.000 He got like love in his corner.

02:30:39.000 Like love is his main trainer.

02:30:41.000 What is it?

02:30:42.000 John Love?

02:30:43.000 He's one of Floyd boys.

02:30:44.000 That guy, he was like a legit world champion at one point, so he knows the training that he has to be done.

02:30:50.000 Before, I was like, yeah, whatever, but when you see Paul dedicate himself and how he's training, getting ready for these guys, he's a businessman too, don't get me wrong, but he's training, bro.

02:31:00.000 He's not freaking cutting no corners, bro.

02:31:03.000 He got the right guys, he got the right team, training, conditioning, probably eating right, eating good.

02:31:07.000 Fighting on his terms, bro?

02:31:10.000 What did you think of Anthony Joshua and Francis Ngannou?

02:31:14.000 Oh, brother.

02:31:15.000 Brother. 0.61

02:31:16.000 Crazy, right? 1.00

02:31:17.000 It sucks. 0.98

02:31:18.000 I thought if Anthony was going to be able to really shock the world, I was like, give him Anthony Joshua first. 0.98

02:31:29.000 I was thinking that he could have Andy Ruiz.

02:31:33.000 Joshua is known for kind of getting caught and he gets rocked.

02:31:36.000 So I always thought that Anthony, not Anthony, but...

02:31:40.000 Nagano had the opportunity to be like, oh, you can probably strike him. 0.53

02:31:44.000 You can hurt him. 0.99

02:31:45.000 You can probably hurt him with a hand.

02:31:46.000 Especially because nobody knew anything about Nagano before the Tyson Fury fight.

02:31:49.000 Yeah, before the Tyson fight.

02:31:50.000 But I think the Tyson fight shook up the world.

02:31:53.000 And these guys, even like, what's his name?

02:31:57.000 Joshua was saying that there was a gimmick fight.

02:31:59.000 And he's the next guy.

02:32:00.000 How do you call Nagano a gimmick fight and you fight him next?

02:32:05.000 And he trained, you know what I mean?

02:32:07.000 Like, you could tell, bro.

02:32:08.000 He was, like, not, like, what he did to Tyson, brother.

02:32:11.000 Like, a lot of people, I thought he won, bro.

02:32:14.000 When I was watching it, I was like, bro, this guy won.

02:32:17.000 I thought he won a decision.

02:32:18.000 He won.

02:32:19.000 I was like, this guy's about to shake up the whole thing.

02:32:21.000 But, of course, it's boxing.

02:32:22.000 You know, it is what it is.

02:32:24.000 But, yeah, when Francis went out there, he was saying that, like, he was tired, the time, whatever, right?

02:32:29.000 Like, the thing.

02:32:31.000 Yeah.

02:32:31.000 But Anthony Joshua looks so good.

02:32:33.000 He's so good, bro.

02:32:34.000 It's just a difference in skill.

02:32:36.000 You caught him with that right hand in the first round and rocked him.

02:32:39.000 It's just a difference in skill level.

02:32:41.000 Anthony Joshua is an Olympic gold medalist.

02:32:43.000 And you can see.

02:32:45.000 Look to Faint.

02:32:46.000 Look to Faint.

02:32:46.000 Look what he's doing.

02:32:47.000 He's already even dropping his hand, you know?

02:32:50.000 He's also shooting that jab to the body and looking for Francis to counter with that left hook.

02:32:56.000 Francis leans back and throws that left hook a lot.

02:32:58.000 Yeah, he goes like this.

02:32:59.000 Yeah, and that's what he caught Tyson Fury with.

02:33:03.000 Look, he leaned back there too.

02:33:05.000 Look, he stood back.

02:33:06.000 Oh, man.

02:33:09.000 Yeah, it was a big win.

02:33:10.000 Bro, this guy is some big dudes.

02:33:11.000 Big win for boxing.

02:33:12.000 Look how big he is.

02:33:14.000 Yeah, big win for boxing.

02:33:15.000 Josh was so fast too.

02:33:17.000 Yeah.

02:33:18.000 He's so fast.

02:33:19.000 And he matches him strength-wise.

02:33:21.000 Yeah.

02:33:22.000 Which is different than Tyson Fury.

02:33:24.000 Yeah, strength and speed, you know?

02:33:25.000 But much faster.

02:33:26.000 Look at that right hand.

02:33:27.000 Oh, right over. 1.00

02:33:29.000 That right hand over the top, he was fucked here. 1.00

02:33:31.000 Now he gets up. 1.00

02:33:32.000 He's in real trouble here.

02:33:34.000 Yeah.

02:33:34.000 And boom!

02:33:36.000 I mean, that right hand was...

02:33:37.000 He didn't even move, bro.

02:33:38.000 He didn't even see it.

02:33:39.000 No.

02:33:40.000 He did not even see it, brother.

02:33:42.000 He was already out here.

02:33:44.000 Like, he's...

02:33:44.000 Boom!

02:33:46.000 But you saw how that set up?

02:33:47.000 Because then he was doing the jab to the body, like you said.

02:33:49.000 Jab to the body, jab...

02:33:50.000 So he just sat down and stuff kind of froze going back like this.

02:33:54.000 Got overhand, bro.

02:33:55.000 Perfect.

02:33:56.000 Beautiful boxing.

02:33:57.000 It was a boxing exhibition, man.

02:34:00.000 Beautiful boxing.

02:34:01.000 Do you ever think you're going to do any boxing matches?

02:34:03.000 I don't know, bro.

02:34:05.000 I don't know.

02:34:05.000 I would love to.

02:34:06.000 It would be fun.

02:34:06.000 Yeah.

02:34:07.000 Yeah.

02:34:07.000 I would say who, you know, but like I said, we got a lot of...

02:34:10.000 It's not even worth calling out or doing anything because at the end of the day, I'm with the UFC. Right.

02:34:16.000 And if the UFC don't see it making money, they're not going to give it. 0.99

02:34:19.000 And then all I'm going to be is be one of these dumbasses on the internet calling out stupid fights for no reason. 0.99

02:34:25.000 It's not going to happen. 1.00

02:34:26.000 You know what I mean?

02:34:26.000 Right.

02:34:27.000 So at the end of the day, it is what it is.

02:34:29.000 Personally, if you ask me, I would love to box, brother.

02:34:31.000 I would love to...

02:34:32.000 I have some boxing cousins that's coming up in the boxing world right now.

02:34:38.000 Even a friend, he just fought on the 20th.

02:34:42.000 He just won.

02:34:43.000 JJ Benito, he's the man.

02:34:45.000 And then my cousin, they're coming up.

02:34:47.000 They're fighting.

02:34:48.000 My cousin, them.

02:34:49.000 And I would love to box.

02:34:51.000 When I box with them, it's fun.

02:34:52.000 It's having fun.

02:34:53.000 I have a great...

02:34:54.000 To go in there and actually box someone to see the difference, I would love to see it.

02:34:58.000 Do you have, right now, at 32 years old, do you have a timeline for the rest of your career?

02:35:05.000 Do you have a thought?

02:35:06.000 I don't want to fight until I'm 40, for sure.

02:35:11.000 You know what I mean?

02:35:12.000 Like, you know, I always thought like maybe 35, 36, we kind of look at it.

02:35:17.000 It all depends on where I'm at in my career.

02:35:19.000 You know, if I'm stood in the top five and, you know, or even championship level, if I'm stood here, I'm doing what I'm doing here.

02:35:27.000 At 35, 36, maybe we squeeze out a little bit, but then...

02:35:31.000 I tell you every time we talk, I want to retire the game. 1.00

02:35:36.000 I don't want the game to retire my ass, brother. 0.99

02:35:39.000 Because how much time we see, not only in our sports, but any sports, the greats, they just don't leave when they're supposed to leave. 0.99

02:35:47.000 They just kind of like...

02:35:49.000 Yeah, they have a great legacy, but it kind of hurts it at the end.

02:35:52.000 Even though you can talk about the great stuff that they did, it still kind of hurts them.

02:35:55.000 Like, oh, you kind of stayed.

02:35:56.000 You overstayed your welcome.

02:35:58.000 And that's why I got a bunch of other stuff that I'm trying to get into.

02:36:02.000 Like I said, with this new brew drink that you're drinking.

02:36:06.000 I'm a co-owner of that.

02:36:08.000 The streaming stuff, I know you love gaming.

02:36:11.000 I don't know if you've been gaming, but the streaming stuff, I love it now.

02:36:13.000 That's great.

02:36:14.000 And I love playing games because at the end of the day, a lot of these guys that...

02:36:19.000 They identify themselves with their sport, and when they retire, they don't have nothing, so they come back anyway because they kind of lose themselves.

02:36:26.000 They feel like, oh, this is my identity, so I'm trying to build this stuff so I have another venture, so as soon as we go, I can try and attack this.

02:36:33.000 I would love to stream when I'm older, you know, even freaking...

02:36:36.000 Podcast or interview or do something.

02:36:39.000 These guys need to understand that they need something outside of their sport before they let go.

02:36:44.000 Kobe was doing it right.

02:36:46.000 Rest in peace to him.

02:36:48.000 But he did it right.

02:36:49.000 When he was getting rid of surfing, he started doing his podcast.

02:36:51.000 He started doing all kinds of other stuff.

02:36:52.000 He started getting more in hand with his daughter's basketball.

02:36:56.000 He was doing stuff to make himself forget about what he did.

02:37:00.000 And he was focusing on other stuff to make himself great in another way.

02:37:03.000 So...

02:37:03.000 That's the main thing.

02:37:04.000 As long as I can compete at an elite level, I don't want to be this guy that's just hanging on and everybody's like, oh man, it would sadden me the day that I'm fucking walking out to a fight and Joe Rogan would be like, yeah, Max did this, this, and this, but he's a little bit older now, I'd be fucking... 0.88

02:37:19.000 I'd be distraught. 0.72

02:37:21.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:37:21.000 I'd be like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:37:22.000 I don't want fucking Joe Rogan talking my ass walking out of the fight like that, you know? 1.00

02:37:26.000 Retire on top, man. 1.00

02:37:28.000 Retire on top. 0.75

02:37:29.000 Listen, brother, it's been an amazing time as a person who loves the sport to watch you rise.

02:37:34.000 Thank you, brother.

02:37:35.000 It's been incredible.

02:37:36.000 To have seen you fight from the very first.

02:37:38.000 Yeah.

02:37:39.000 When you were 20 years old, it's been incredible, man.

02:37:42.000 And just congratulations on the greatest knockout of all time.

02:37:47.000 Thank you, brother.

02:37:47.000 Epic performance.

02:37:48.000 It was amazing.

02:37:48.000 And I can't wait to see you in there again.

02:37:50.000 Thank you, brother.

02:37:51.000 Thank you. 0.98

02:37:51.000 Tell everybody how they can watch your streams, where they can find you, social media, all that shit. 0.98

02:37:57.000 Brother... 0.98

02:37:58.000 Instagram, Twitter, or X now, at BlessMMA.

02:38:01.000 And then we stream kick.com backslash Max Holloway.

02:38:04.000 We stream Gambo.

02:38:05.000 We stream first-person shooters.

02:38:07.000 I'm an Apex legend shooter, so come see me if you want to play.

02:38:11.000 Come see him.

02:38:12.000 Alright, beautiful.

02:38:13.000 Thank you, brother.

02:38:14.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 26, 2024

JRE MMA Show #155 with Max Holloway

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