The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #156 with Royce Gracie

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00:00:13.000 What's happening, my friend?

00:00:15.000 Great to see you.

00:00:16.000 Life is good in my world.

00:00:18.000 Yeah, life is good in your world.

00:00:20.000 It's always good to see you, man, but I know you're you, and I know you're just Hoist Gracie, you're who you are, but for most human beings, You are one of the most unusual people that's ever lived.

00:00:39.000 The original ultimate fighter, the number one, the guy, the reason why this whole thing is so big.

00:00:45.000 You're the fucking man.

00:00:46.000 It's because of my father.

00:00:48.000 I'm a product of his work.

00:00:50.000 For sure, for sure.

00:00:51.000 But for most people, our introduction to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was you in UFC 1. You know, I grew up in martial arts, but we didn't know about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu until UFC 1 in 1993. That one, Roryon had a vision.

00:01:10.000 So back then we used to teach in the garage, private classes, one student at a time.

00:01:17.000 And Roryon had the vision, how can we spread out throughout the world?

00:01:24.000 Once America finds out, we've got to put it on TV. Once America finds out, the whole world will find out.

00:01:29.000 The world found out so quick.

00:01:31.000 I've never seen a martial art spread through the country like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu did in the 1990s.

00:01:38.000 A lot of people thought the graces are arrogant.

00:01:41.000 They were trying to put down the other martial arts.

00:01:44.000 But it was not.

00:01:45.000 It was like put up or shut up.

00:01:50.000 Karate against kung fu.

00:01:52.000 Everybody claims that their style is the best.

00:01:54.000 There's only one way to find out.

00:01:56.000 And we're willing to try to find out.

00:02:01.000 We're not saying that we're the best.

00:02:03.000 We're just like, hey, you say you're the best.

00:02:04.000 I'm the best.

00:02:05.000 There's only one way to find out.

00:02:07.000 Well, the thing is, you guys had already tried it in dojos.

00:02:12.000 You'd already gone to gyms.

00:02:13.000 You'd already had challenge matches.

00:02:15.000 Gracie in action videos were an eye-opening video for a lot of martial artists because they saw all these karate guys who were the guys who thought they were these badass fighters and they just got taken down and strangled, taken down and strangled, taken down and armbarred.

00:02:28.000 But again, that was in Brazil.

00:02:31.000 A lot of that happened in Brazil.

00:02:33.000 When we came to America, it was a different level.

00:02:36.000 It was, okay, this guy's the world champion in karate, the number one boxer, the number one kickboxer.

00:02:43.000 Well, let's see if our stuff works against them.

00:02:47.000 And they're bigger, too.

00:02:49.000 When you grew up with this, I mean, you started Jiu-Jitsu when you were very, very young.

00:02:54.000 So when you grew up with this, when was the first time you saw one of those challenge matches?

00:03:00.000 It was Hickson fighting Zulu.

00:03:02.000 I was young.

00:03:05.000 I couldn't get into the stadium, so I watched it through a crack on the door.

00:03:09.000 It's like outside the stadium because there was an age to be in there.

00:03:13.000 I think I was like 16. And I was like 15, I think, when he fought or 14 when he fought.

00:03:19.000 So Royler got in because he did a demonstration, I guess, before.

00:03:24.000 But I had to stay outside and I was looking through the crack, could barely see it.

00:03:28.000 Wow.

00:03:28.000 Yeah.

00:03:30.000 Oh, sorry.

00:03:31.000 Even before that, there's a black and white video of Horion, Hellson, Horlish, and some of the students fighting against karate guys on the tile.

00:03:42.000 And that's when I was there, I was present on that day.

00:03:46.000 But I always heard stories.

00:03:49.000 Of the family fighting, and yeah, we got to fight this guy on the beach, and the guy showed up at the school, and we had to fight, and I always grew up listening to them, the stories of my father fighting, my uncles and my cousins, and so I was like, I want to be one of them.

00:04:10.000 I wanna do this.

00:04:12.000 So there's always rumors about why you were chosen to be the representative for the first UFC. What's the actual truth behind it?

00:04:20.000 Like, why did they choose you?

00:04:22.000 Dude, it was gonna be on national TV. The looks!

00:04:29.000 Imagine if they put an ugly brother with an ugly...

00:04:32.000 They all could have done the same thing, my cousins.

00:04:35.000 They all could have done the same thing.

00:04:37.000 But come on, buy the looks.

00:04:43.000 No, no.

00:04:44.000 I think my father in the hordeon I knew I was going to obey my father's order.

00:04:50.000 It was like, do not hurt your opponents.

00:04:54.000 The other brothers and cousins, all of them, bigger, smaller, they could have done the same thing.

00:05:02.000 It was very raw back then.

00:05:04.000 It was one style against another.

00:05:07.000 But I think my father knew I was a little more calm personality.

00:05:13.000 I was going to obey his orders, and his order was like, do not hurt your opponents.

00:05:20.000 Now, why was that so important to him?

00:05:22.000 To show the true art of jiu-jitsu.

00:05:26.000 If a cousin gets in there and beat the guy up with an elbow across the opponent's face, eh...

00:05:32.000 It would have been impressive.

00:05:34.000 Oh my God, it would shock everybody, but wouldn't show the technique.

00:05:38.000 And my father and Jorge were concerned about showing the technique of just what we can do by dominating somebody bigger, stronger, without having to hurt them.

00:05:50.000 That's so amazing that you guys had so much confidence in jujitsu that they wanted you to not hurt someone.

00:05:58.000 That's the conversation I remember having with my father.

00:06:02.000 I was like, but dad...

00:06:04.000 The guy's bare knuckle.

00:06:06.000 They're gonna hit me.

00:06:06.000 He's like, don't worry.

00:06:07.000 They will never hit you.

00:06:09.000 They're not gonna touch you.

00:06:10.000 Don't worry.

00:06:12.000 That's how much confidence he had.

00:06:14.000 Wow.

00:06:15.000 He's not gonna hit.

00:06:16.000 Don't take me wrong.

00:06:17.000 My mother's order was totally different.

00:06:20.000 My mother was like, your father doesn't know what he's talking about.

00:06:23.000 I want to see some blood.

00:06:25.000 Send him to the hospital.

00:06:26.000 Mom was a mean one.

00:06:28.000 That's crazy!

00:06:29.000 Dad was like, no, no, don't hurt your opponent.

00:06:31.000 They're not going to touch you.

00:06:32.000 Don't worry.

00:06:33.000 They're not going to...

00:06:34.000 Nothing's going to happen.

00:06:35.000 You're going to dominate.

00:06:36.000 Mom was like, I want to see some blood.

00:06:38.000 Send him to the hospital.

00:06:39.000 It's so...

00:06:40.000 Your family is...

00:06:41.000 It's so unusual.

00:06:43.000 Because I have always said that your family, your father, Carlos, everyone, the whole family...

00:06:50.000 It's the most important family in the history of martial arts.

00:06:53.000 There's no family in the history of martial arts that's had the same impact that the Gracies have had.

00:06:59.000 I think that jiu-jitsu landed with them for a purpose.

00:07:06.000 They're from the north of Brazil, persistent people, and the vision that they had of having a lot of kids.

00:07:15.000 Uncle Carlos had 21 kids, 11 boys, 10 girls.

00:07:19.000 My father had 9 kids, 7 boys, 2 girls.

00:07:24.000 So it could have been all girls.

00:07:27.000 And you just wouldn't be what it is today.

00:07:31.000 It is kind of crazy, because your father was so unusual.

00:07:34.000 He had such an unusual mindset.

00:07:36.000 And the fact that he had had those early matches, like the matches with Kimura, Santana, all those different early matches that a lot of people don't even know about, that you could see online.

00:07:50.000 it was a it was a they want to test themselves so kimura haven't lost and not just not lost but nobody lasts more than three minutes with him and my father was like okay I want to try.

00:08:08.000 Heavier, younger.

00:08:10.000 Valdemar Santana, heavier, younger.

00:08:13.000 They fought for like 3 hours and 40 minutes.

00:08:16.000 One round straight.

00:08:18.000 Wow.

00:08:20.000 So it's, yeah.

00:08:21.000 They just, they want to put it to the test.

00:08:24.000 That was the main thing.

00:08:26.000 They want to see what they can do.

00:08:29.000 But my father always said...

00:08:31.000 It wasn't on how can he beat the opponents.

00:08:35.000 He always told me, don't walk in to win.

00:08:38.000 Walk in not to lose.

00:08:40.000 If you don't lose, the question is how you're going to beat him.

00:08:44.000 He makes a mistake.

00:08:46.000 But the mentality was always not to lose.

00:08:49.000 So always be defensively minded.

00:08:53.000 We're giving the weight advantage to the opponents.

00:08:57.000 So if I don't lose, we're going to...

00:09:00.000 He always used to explain that way.

00:09:02.000 We're going to play a ping pong game.

00:09:04.000 So every time you put the ball on my side of the table, it doesn't matter where you put that ball.

00:09:08.000 I'll put it back on the center of you.

00:09:10.000 I'll catch that ball, put it back on the center of the table.

00:09:12.000 What am I doing?

00:09:13.000 Playing the perfect defense game.

00:09:15.000 When am I going to lose?

00:09:16.000 Never.

00:09:17.000 So when I'm going to win?

00:09:19.000 Now we have to change the question.

00:09:20.000 When you miss the table, did I win?

00:09:23.000 No, you're the one who made the mistake.

00:09:25.000 You're the one who lost.

00:09:25.000 If you're not, we're going to play forever if you don't make a mistake.

00:09:28.000 So it's a very defensive art.

00:09:31.000 It's not a very aggressive art.

00:09:34.000 I've heard Helson describe jiu-jitsu in that way.

00:09:38.000 He said, jiu-jitsu is I do this and then you do that and then I do this and then you do that forever.

00:09:46.000 Until somebody make a mistake.

00:09:47.000 Until somebody make a mistake.

00:09:49.000 They say, I could make a mistake too, but if I don't make a mistake, if you don't make a mistake, we're going to play forever.

00:09:54.000 You know how it is.

00:09:56.000 We're going to play.

00:09:58.000 Until somebody gets tired or make a mistake.

00:10:02.000 Also, it was perfect for you to be in it because in the first UFC, what did you weigh?

00:10:09.000 About 176 pounds?

00:10:10.000 178. 178. Crazy.

00:10:13.000 And you were in there against gigantic guys.

00:10:16.000 What did Kimo weigh?

00:10:18.000 250. 250 roided to the gills.

00:10:22.000 There was no testing.

00:10:23.000 No testing.

00:10:24.000 Carrying a wooden cross into the octagon.

00:10:27.000 That was crazy.

00:10:28.000 He was a raw.

00:10:30.000 He was probably one of the strongest guys I fought.

00:10:32.000 He was huge.

00:10:33.000 He was raw strength.

00:10:35.000 Not the most technical, but he was pure strength.

00:10:39.000 And I messed up on that one because I tried to match strength with him.

00:10:42.000 He got me tired.

00:10:44.000 So I heard he was very strong and I tried to match strength with him.

00:10:49.000 Walking in with the cross.

00:10:50.000 I remember everybody was like, what the hell is going on here?

00:10:55.000 Taekwondo.

00:10:56.000 I was like, go ahead, carry that cross.

00:10:58.000 It's heavy.

00:10:59.000 It was solid wood, by the way.

00:11:01.000 That was heavy.

00:11:02.000 I'm sure.

00:11:03.000 Probably a good warm-up.

00:11:04.000 And there's you.

00:11:05.000 How old were you then?

00:11:07.000 That was his third UFC. I was 27. Wow.

00:11:11.000 Look at his eyes, man.

00:11:13.000 It's like, yep.

00:11:15.000 Yeah, just jacked, full of juice, enormous.

00:11:20.000 Jesus tattooing his stomach.

00:11:23.000 The early days, my man.

00:11:25.000 What is it like when you watch these?

00:11:27.000 Bare knuckles.

00:11:28.000 Sometimes I think what my father was thinking and hoarding on putting me rockers.

00:11:33.000 And I had a fight before.

00:11:34.000 That was your first fight?

00:11:35.000 It was UFC 1?

00:11:36.000 UFC 1 was the first fight.

00:11:37.000 Wow.

00:11:38.000 I had to say, how many fights you had?

00:11:39.000 I said, 51 tournament matches when I was a kid competing in tournaments.

00:11:45.000 Professional fights?

00:11:46.000 Never.

00:11:47.000 On the street?

00:11:48.000 Never.

00:11:49.000 Wow.

00:11:50.000 That's crazy.

00:11:52.000 I got jumped on the street once when I was like 14 years old because I want to be a fighter like my brothers.

00:11:57.000 Never had a fight.

00:11:58.000 I heard all of them fighting.

00:12:01.000 So I was like 14, 15 years old.

00:12:03.000 I went to a very bad neighborhood with my bike.

00:12:05.000 Got my bike stolen.

00:12:06.000 My nose broken.

00:12:08.000 Got jumped for like five guys.

00:12:10.000 Daytime took my bike.

00:12:12.000 But I came home and I was like, okay, I had a fight.

00:12:15.000 Got my ass kicked.

00:12:18.000 So I can be one of them.

00:12:20.000 I want to be one of my cousins, one of my brothers, man.

00:12:22.000 I want to be part of the Gracie.

00:12:25.000 Never had a fight.

00:12:26.000 It's like, ah.

00:12:28.000 When you first fought, did you have striking training at all?

00:12:33.000 Yes.

00:12:35.000 Very little.

00:12:37.000 I had students showing me some stuff.

00:12:42.000 That's crazy.

00:12:43.000 More for me to know what's coming at me than for me to use.

00:12:48.000 So it's more for me to know how they move.

00:12:50.000 So it wasn't like I'm going to learn striking to learn boxing to fight against a boxer.

00:12:57.000 It was more for me to know what's coming, how they're going to move, when they're getting ready to throw a kick, a punch, for me to understand their movements.

00:13:06.000 Yeah, Hickson's talked about that the same way.

00:13:08.000 He said he didn't learn kickboxing to be a kickboxer.

00:13:11.000 He just learned kickboxing to understand what they're doing, the distance, the timing.

00:13:17.000 Distance.

00:13:17.000 That's management.

00:13:19.000 Distance management.

00:13:20.000 That's very important.

00:13:22.000 Some guys you see plant their feet and just exchange firepower.

00:13:27.000 You can go either way.

00:13:29.000 So, I like more of a lute style.

00:13:32.000 Hit and don't get hit.

00:13:33.000 Get away.

00:13:34.000 When you look back on this now, and you think, I mean, when you watch these old matches from like 1993, what does it feel like to see that?

00:13:45.000 Crazy.

00:13:48.000 I think my father was crazy to put me there, man.

00:13:51.000 No one had ever done it before on television.

00:13:55.000 It had never been, in America at least, it had never been a thing.

00:13:58.000 And then to all of a sudden have this, No time limit, no weight division, no gloves.

00:14:04.000 No rules.

00:14:05.000 No rules, everything.

00:14:06.000 No biting, no eye gouging.

00:14:08.000 Yeah, you can punch the nuts, everything.

00:14:10.000 But if you do eye gouge or bite, like Gerard Guardu, as soon as I took him down, he beat my ear on the first year in the finals in the first UFC, but there's no punishment.

00:14:20.000 There's no, okay, you're going to get disqualified.

00:14:23.000 It's like, don't do it again, sir.

00:14:28.000 It's so crazy.

00:14:29.000 But then from that moment, from UFC 1, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu exploded across the country.

00:14:36.000 Exploded.

00:14:38.000 Grace Academy double size after the first UFC. Wow.

00:14:43.000 After the second UFC, we double again.

00:14:45.000 Wow.

00:14:47.000 This is in Torrance?

00:14:48.000 Torrance.

00:14:49.000 Yeah.

00:14:50.000 I started at Hickson's place and then I went to Carlson Gracie's place because I didn't know any better.

00:14:56.000 It was closer.

00:14:57.000 It was closer to me.

00:14:58.000 It was on Hawthorne.

00:14:59.000 That was when Vitor was making his debut in the UFC back when they were calling him Victor Gracie.

00:15:04.000 Yes.

00:15:04.000 It was UFC 12. And I remember The feeling of the first class, the feeling of how humiliated you are when you don't know jujitsu and you spar with someone who knows jujitsu.

00:15:17.000 It's like you think you know how to fight and then you get in there and then all of a sudden you're on your back and you don't know what to do and all of a sudden you're getting choked and you're like, oh no, this is crazy!

00:15:27.000 And you've been doing martial arts for a long time already.

00:15:30.000 I had a completely distorted idea of my ability to fight.

00:15:34.000 Completely distorted.

00:15:36.000 And I remember my first class, I was like, oh boy.

00:15:39.000 Now I know.

00:15:40.000 It's like back in the garage days, there was always a student that bring a family friend or a family member or coach from different styles of martial arts, and they would come in, and they would come in to fight us.

00:16:00.000 But we, Jorge and I, would be like, okay, we're going to control and turn him into a student.

00:16:09.000 So we'll take the guy down, mount, and pretty much talk to him.

00:16:12.000 Maybe choke, maybe armbar, let it go, not hurting.

00:16:15.000 And the guy will go home and goes, oh man, can I sign up?

00:16:18.000 Can I learn?

00:16:19.000 Right, because of the fact that you didn't hurt them.

00:16:22.000 You could convert them into a student.

00:16:24.000 If you beat the fuck out of them and just broke their face...

00:16:26.000 They would never come back.

00:16:28.000 Yeah.

00:16:28.000 So we were more concerned about gaining a student than trying to beat them up.

00:16:33.000 But they would come in to fight.

00:16:35.000 We were converting them.

00:16:37.000 Wow.

00:16:39.000 Was it your father that was the mastermind behind doing it that way?

00:16:44.000 I think that was Horian, because Horian was like my second father.

00:16:49.000 I came to live with him.

00:16:51.000 I was 17, going on 18. I came to America to live with Horian.

00:16:56.000 So Horian was a lawyer, very smart, very calculated.

00:16:59.000 And we were teaching back in the garage days, teaching every day, private classes, half an hour private classes.

00:17:05.000 Place looked like a crack house.

00:17:08.000 Half an hour there's a person coming in and leaving, coming, coming, coming.

00:17:11.000 The neighbor's like, what are they doing over there?

00:17:14.000 It's amazing what started in that garage, if you really think about it.

00:17:20.000 But it's also amazing like his vision that he had some so much belief in jujitsu that he knew that he just it wasn't like it had to be developed it was already there you just have to show people they just need to know And we try advertisements, and so he finally figured out we have to put on TV. And once the American people find out, the whole world will see it.

00:17:47.000 And that's what happened.

00:17:48.000 Put on TV, second UFC, people coming from everywhere.

00:17:53.000 There was applications coming from different parts of the world.

00:17:57.000 It's crazy.

00:17:59.000 There's never been...

00:18:00.000 I mean, other than...

00:18:01.000 One thing that happened...

00:18:02.000 Like Bruce Lee.

00:18:03.000 Bruce Lee movies.

00:18:04.000 People saw Bruce Lee movies.

00:18:06.000 They all wanted to learn martial arts.

00:18:08.000 But other than that...

00:18:09.000 But that was movies, right?

00:18:11.000 So that was like you wanted to do this thing that wasn't real.

00:18:15.000 Like this guy was fighting ten people.

00:18:17.000 They were all coming out of one at a time.

00:18:18.000 Wah!

00:18:19.000 Wah!

00:18:19.000 But it wasn't real.

00:18:21.000 Watching you in UFC 1, it was like so many people had this light bulb moment.

00:18:27.000 But I thought a lot of people thought it was fixed.

00:18:30.000 It was like, eh, no, there's no way this thing's for real.

00:18:34.000 Even though Taylor Tully lost a tooth by Geraldo Gordor, got kicked in the face right off the brad, the first fight.

00:18:41.000 But a lot of people thought, eh...

00:18:44.000 Second UFC, still people like, eh.

00:18:47.000 I think the fourth one is when people said, okay, this thing's for real.

00:18:53.000 Martial artists knew right away.

00:18:56.000 Yes.

00:18:56.000 In the martial arts community, right away.

00:18:58.000 I didn't see UFC 1 first.

00:19:00.000 I saw UFC 2. That was the first one that I saw.

00:19:02.000 Because UFC 1, for whatever reason, I think it was some licensing thing.

00:19:06.000 It wasn't available as a DVD or a VCR tape.

00:19:10.000 Yes.

00:19:11.000 So the VHS tape, when it was released and you could get it in a store, a friend of mine had told me about it.

00:19:17.000 And I had just moved to California.

00:19:19.000 It was 1994. And I got a hold of UFC 2. And I watched it in my apartment.

00:19:24.000 I remember going, oh, Oh my goodness.

00:19:27.000 It just changed my mind about fighting.

00:19:32.000 Fighting for me was always stand-up fighting.

00:19:34.000 I wrestled a little bit in high school, but fighting for me was kickboxing.

00:19:38.000 So when I saw that, I was like, wow!

00:19:40.000 I remember everybody, like all my friends that were into martial arts, everybody was scrambling to try to find a jiu-jitsu school.

00:19:47.000 There had never been a moment like that where one martial art had emerged With such force.

00:19:52.000 Jiu-jitsu, Judo, wrestling.

00:19:54.000 I had a lot of wrestlers and Judo guys that came up to me and was like, man, thanks for putting us on the map.

00:20:00.000 Going back to the old Black Bell magazines, Inside Karate, Inside Kung Fu.

00:20:06.000 Those all stand-up martial arts.

00:20:08.000 They wouldn't consider wrestling, Judo, part of martial arts.

00:20:12.000 I know, isn't that crazy?

00:20:13.000 That's not.

00:20:14.000 It's all stand-up.

00:20:16.000 We used to share a gym back when I lived in Boston.

00:20:19.000 There was a guy that I used to work out with and he had a gym that he would share with the judo class.

00:20:24.000 So on one side there was a judo guy and the other side was the kickboxers.

00:20:27.000 And I remember thinking like, what are these guys doing?

00:20:29.000 What a waste of time practicing throwing each other around.

00:20:33.000 Like, what's the point?

00:20:34.000 You know, and no one knew.

00:20:36.000 It's so interesting that everyone...

00:20:38.000 See, from the time I first got into martial arts when I was a little kid, there was always this thought, like, what would happen if a karate guy fought a judo guy?

00:20:48.000 What would happen if a boxer fought a wrestler?

00:20:50.000 And everybody had an opinion.

00:20:52.000 But until UFC 1 came around, no one really knew.

00:20:55.000 It was just theoretical.

00:20:57.000 I always maintain that since 93 to today, martial arts have evolved more over the last 30 years than they have over the last 30,000 years.

00:21:08.000 Everybody had that, like, what would happen.

00:21:14.000 But nobody would challenge the other one.

00:21:18.000 Nobody would want to step on anybody's toes.

00:21:20.000 Well, nobody was willing to take the chance, you know?

00:21:23.000 What if I lose?

00:21:25.000 I don't want to bother.

00:21:27.000 I don't want to beat the other guy, too, because if I beat him, he's going to feel bad.

00:21:31.000 There was a lot of that.

00:21:33.000 We're like, hey, we're willing to find out.

00:21:36.000 Yeah.

00:21:37.000 Well, thank God you did that.

00:21:38.000 I mean, thank God it came along because who knows where martial arts would be today if that hadn't happened.

00:21:45.000 It would have been people thinking that death touches.

00:21:48.000 Yeah!

00:21:50.000 I'll touch you right here in the shoulder, and a week from now, I'm paralyzed.

00:21:55.000 Grab your collarbone, you go to sleep.

00:21:57.000 Yeah, there was a lot of that stupid shit.

00:21:59.000 There's still that stupid shit out there.

00:22:01.000 There's still a lot of people out there that believe that stuff.

00:22:04.000 It's crazy, isn't it?

00:22:05.000 But, hey, UFC came along.

00:22:09.000 Yeah, but most people know now.

00:22:11.000 Most people know now.

00:22:12.000 I mean, now, if you want to fight, you have to know jiu-jitsu.

00:22:15.000 You have to.

00:22:17.000 Because there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

00:22:19.000 If you take jiu-jitsu away, it goes back to the old style.

00:22:23.000 Stand-up, karate against kung fu.

00:22:27.000 Jiu-jitsu is the bond between the striking arts and the grappling arts and all of them.

00:22:35.000 I mean, there's still guys who only understand jujitsu in a rudimentary sense, like they understand defense, but you have to at least understand defense.

00:22:43.000 You have to at least know what someone's doing.

00:22:46.000 You can't compete without understanding it, because you'll get caught.

00:22:50.000 You gotta know.

00:22:52.000 Yeah.

00:22:53.000 Not just on the grappling part.

00:22:58.000 But on the stand-up part, you have to know how to defend yourself.

00:23:02.000 It's like, it's not just come up and start to hit the opponent.

00:23:06.000 No, no, no.

00:23:07.000 I gotta manage distance.

00:23:08.000 I gotta know when I'm too close and he's gonna hit me.

00:23:12.000 So I gotta play defense all around.

00:23:14.000 What is it like for you, having been there for UFC 1, to see what it is today?

00:23:20.000 To see, like, UFC 300, which was just insane.

00:23:24.000 This thing where millions of people are watching it around the world.

00:23:29.000 It's this huge phenomenon.

00:23:30.000 It's like the most exciting sport in the world now.

00:23:33.000 And to know, you were the original.

00:23:36.000 You're number one.

00:23:37.000 There's only gonna be one original Ultimate Fighter.

00:23:40.000 That's you.

00:23:43.000 I don't look at that way.

00:23:46.000 I don't look at that way.

00:23:47.000 I look as a, yeah, I was part of it.

00:23:52.000 You were the part of it.

00:23:54.000 If it wasn't you, like if you didn't exist, if they had the UFC won and there was no representative of jujitsu, some big strong guy would have won.

00:24:04.000 Or what if I lost?

00:24:06.000 Right, what if you lost, yeah.

00:24:08.000 So I said the other day, I said, I'm not part of the history.

00:24:12.000 I am the history.

00:24:13.000 Yeah, you are the history.

00:24:15.000 Yeah, you were the original representative of jiu-jitsu.

00:24:19.000 And the reason why the UFC became so exciting was not just because you get to see these wild fights inside of a cage, but you see a smaller guy with better technique Beat the bigger, stronger men, which is what martial arts was always supposed to be.

00:24:39.000 Jiu-Jitsu, I always tell people, is the only martial art that delivers as advertised.

00:24:43.000 Because if you're a kickboxer, and you're a small guy, and another guy's a kickboxer, but he's like 250 pounds, you're fucked.

00:24:52.000 He's going to hit you.

00:24:53.000 A lightweight boxer against a heavyweight doesn't stand a chance.

00:24:56.000 Doesn't stand a chance.

00:24:57.000 But Jiu-Jitsu, if you're really good and that guy doesn't know what he's doing, you're going to fucking kill him.

00:25:02.000 He doesn't have a chance.

00:25:03.000 Or even if he knows what he's doing.

00:25:06.000 The lightweight have a chance to survive and play defense and end up choking or arm bar the bigger opponent.

00:25:14.000 Which is why absolutes in jiu-jitsu matches are so interesting.

00:25:18.000 When you watch a small guy beat a big guy.

00:25:20.000 Win the heavyweight championship.

00:25:22.000 It's crazy.

00:25:23.000 It's a lightweight.

00:25:23.000 Yeah.

00:25:24.000 No, it's the only martial art that really delivers as advertised.

00:25:29.000 Where technique triumphs over everything.

00:25:34.000 And that's what my father and Uncle Carlos and their brothers always tried to show people that you don't have to be the biggest, the strongest, the fastest.

00:25:46.000 You just gotta know what you're doing.

00:25:48.000 My father used to say, give me the right leverage and I'll lift the world with one hand.

00:25:54.000 Just gotta have the right setup.

00:25:57.000 Well, that was also the brilliant thing about jiu-jitsu and your father.

00:26:01.000 So your father was a smaller guy.

00:26:03.000 He weighed like 147 pounds or something, right?

00:26:06.000 About 145, yes.

00:26:07.000 Crazy.

00:26:08.000 Crazy.

00:26:09.000 And challenge everybody, wrestlers that came from, would go to boxers, would go to vacation in Brazil.

00:26:18.000 He would be at the airport waiting for the guy.

00:26:21.000 The old Joe Lewis.

00:26:24.000 Really?

00:26:24.000 Went to Brazil.

00:26:26.000 Excuse me.

00:26:27.000 And went to Brazil and my father challenged him.

00:26:32.000 Wow!

00:26:33.000 Hornel had a letter that was given to my father saying, Joe Louis would box against anybody.

00:26:42.000 Boxing against boxing.

00:26:44.000 Not in an MMA match.

00:26:46.000 My father was like 145 pounds.

00:26:48.000 Joe Louis was 220, 200 pounds, the heavyweight champion at the time.

00:26:54.000 Wow.

00:26:55.000 The old man was crazy.

00:26:56.000 Imagine if he took that on, if he was willing to do that.

00:26:59.000 That would have been exciting.

00:27:00.000 But back then, there was no...

00:27:02.000 the internet.

00:27:04.000 Yeah.

00:27:05.000 So a lot of people probably wouldn't find out.

00:27:07.000 Right.

00:27:07.000 It would be very modern.

00:27:09.000 It would be...

00:27:10.000 Didn't happen.

00:27:11.000 Yeah, no one would understand.

00:27:13.000 There's no tapes.

00:27:14.000 Right, right, right.

00:27:15.000 Yeah, you'd have to set that up.

00:27:17.000 You'd have to set that up, bring a camera crew and the whole deal.

00:27:20.000 Yeah.

00:27:21.000 What was it about your father that had this mentality, that had this desire to challenge himself and prove jiu-jitsu's effectiveness?

00:27:35.000 I think he was...

00:27:38.000 Being smaller, being peak on it.

00:27:41.000 And once he learned, he had that power.

00:27:47.000 He learned Jiu Jitsu, he got that power with him.

00:27:51.000 So he want to show others.

00:27:54.000 And he wasn't...

00:27:56.000 I would say, as a fighter, he always says, if I fell on top of the opponent, I would be nice.

00:28:05.000 I would choke him out, I would subdue him.

00:28:08.000 Use the submission, make him tap, technique.

00:28:11.000 If he was on top of me, I would beat him up.

00:28:14.000 He used to say, hit him, get off me, get off me.

00:28:17.000 He should have listened, he should have got off me in the first punch.

00:28:21.000 He would tie you up and beat you from the bottom.

00:28:24.000 Well, that was one of the more interesting things about jiu-jitsu because of what your father did.

00:28:30.000 Because your father was smaller, he developed much more technique off of his back.

00:28:36.000 Because in these other styles of judo and Japanese jiu-jitsu, it wasn't really emphasizing fighting off of your back.

00:28:46.000 Yeah, he was playing defense.

00:28:49.000 So he always said, tie your opponent up and...

00:28:53.000 If you have to beat him up from the bar, but if you get on top, there's no reason to beat him up.

00:28:58.000 You're under control.

00:28:59.000 You control the fight.

00:29:00.000 You just subdue him.

00:29:03.000 There was a lot of defense.

00:29:05.000 It's interesting now...

00:29:06.000 A mean defense, I would say.

00:29:09.000 A very mean defense, yeah.

00:29:12.000 But it's interesting now when you see the rules.

00:29:14.000 The rules are set up much more for strikers and for wrestlers because...

00:29:20.000 I've been talking about this lately.

00:29:22.000 Like, say if you're a jiu-jitsu guy, and you're fighting in the first round, and rounds are five minutes long, and you take the guy down four minutes and thirty seconds, you only have thirty seconds to work.

00:29:33.000 I feel like a fight should be, even if you're gonna make it rounds, the fight is the fight.

00:29:39.000 I don't think someone should be able to get up.

00:29:42.000 I don't think you should stand people up ever.

00:29:44.000 I think once a guy takes you down, the fight is on the ground.

00:29:48.000 If it's boring for the audience, tough shit.

00:29:51.000 If you're on the bottom, get up.

00:29:53.000 And if you can't get up, tough shit.

00:29:56.000 And if the round ends and then the new round begins, I think they should start you right back in the same place.

00:30:03.000 I think because they're on the same weight division.

00:30:07.000 Back then there was no weight division.

00:30:09.000 I would say the fight doesn't favor one person, one style or another.

00:30:17.000 It doesn't favor it, but it gives a distinct advantage if you let a person stand up that didn't stand up.

00:30:22.000 So if you start the second round, say if you take me down with 4 minutes and 30 seconds to go and you're dominating me and you're closing in on me and you're about to tap me, but then the round ends.

00:30:34.000 And then we start, but now we start standing up.

00:30:36.000 But I didn't earn that stand up.

00:30:38.000 I just gotta stand up because of the time.

00:30:41.000 I feel like the fight should be a fight.

00:30:44.000 So if a fight is five rounds, that's a 25-minute fight.

00:30:48.000 And I think whatever position that you're in at the end of that first round, you should begin in the second round.

00:30:54.000 That's what I think.

00:30:55.000 I'm in favor of doing one round straight through.

00:30:58.000 Well, that would be wild, too.

00:31:00.000 I think one round, and maybe even no time on that.

00:31:03.000 Eh, no time limit is not good for the TV. No.

00:31:06.000 No, but good for the internet.

00:31:08.000 Make it one 15-minute round.

00:31:10.000 Ooh, yeah.

00:31:11.000 It's like, that's it.

00:31:13.000 One 15 straight through, go straight, no rounds.

00:31:17.000 Start, 15 minutes later, we'll stop.

00:31:19.000 They should try that.

00:31:21.000 And if, hey, nobody wins, another five minutes or ten minutes.

00:31:26.000 Right, overtime round.

00:31:27.000 You see, overtime.

00:31:28.000 Well, I think Pride had good rules.

00:31:30.000 A ten minute first round was better.

00:31:32.000 I think ten minutes is better.

00:31:35.000 Especially if someone, like, works really hard.

00:31:37.000 Again, four minutes, thirty seconds, you finally take the guy down.

00:31:39.000 Now you're on top.

00:31:40.000 And now you're trying to set things up, but the bell rings.

00:31:43.000 And then you start standing up again.

00:31:45.000 Yeah, I started standing up again.

00:31:46.000 But then, yeah, I think you've put a 10 minute round, 15 minute, one round straight through, man.

00:31:52.000 But I think the problem is they've stopped changing the rules.

00:31:55.000 The rules are the rules now.

00:31:56.000 And they've kind of like solidified them and established them.

00:32:00.000 But I don't think the rules are right.

00:32:02.000 I think if a guy takes you down, you should have to earn a stand-up.

00:32:07.000 You have to get back up to your feet.

00:32:09.000 So if the fight ends...

00:32:11.000 With one mounted on top of the athlete or on the back.

00:32:14.000 Yeah.

00:32:15.000 If that's the end of the round, you start from the same position.

00:32:18.000 I think they should show it up on the screen, what the position was, and then everybody agrees.

00:32:25.000 Okay, so he had an overhook, he had half guard, go.

00:32:30.000 Or how about, like, they play football, American football.

00:32:38.000 If the five-minute finish and the guy's on the mountain position, you got to let it go until they break away.

00:32:45.000 Mm-hmm.

00:32:46.000 Yeah.

00:32:47.000 So you're going to go until somebody scores.

00:32:50.000 Yeah.

00:32:51.000 I like that.

00:32:53.000 It's like if the position ends up on such an advantage position, That was something to think about.

00:33:01.000 Yeah, it's something to think about if you want to make things more realistic.

00:33:05.000 If we finish the round and I'm on your back about to choke you or with the guillotine or the choke or our arm bar is cut.

00:33:13.000 Okay, the bell doesn't ring until you get away and get up, then we'll take a break.

00:33:19.000 Yeah, that's not bad either.

00:33:21.000 I just think that having a fight start, if you start, you start standing up.

00:33:27.000 But I think round to round, you should resume the position, whatever you were in, in the previous round.

00:33:34.000 I think that's the only thing that makes sense.

00:33:36.000 Because otherwise you didn't earn a stand-up.

00:33:38.000 But if a guy takes you down and mounts you and he's setting up a head and arm choke and he's sinking it in and then the buzzer rings, you should go right back to that spot when round two starts because you didn't get out of that.

00:33:51.000 And now if the guy's a kickboxer, now he goes, oh shit, I almost got caught.

00:33:56.000 And now you start that next round standing up.

00:33:58.000 He has an advantage because now he's standing up.

00:34:00.000 Yeah.

00:34:01.000 But he didn't earn that stand-up.

00:34:03.000 You earned the takedown.

00:34:04.000 You got him down.

00:34:05.000 You got in a superior position.

00:34:07.000 You were about to finish him.

00:34:09.000 I like it.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, I think it makes more sense.

00:34:13.000 I like it.

00:34:14.000 No one's gonna listen to me though.

00:34:18.000 Especially me.

00:34:19.000 They go, you're biased towards jiu-jitsu.

00:34:21.000 I'm like, yeah, yeah, I am.

00:34:23.000 But I'm not, though.

00:34:24.000 I'm not, though, because I feel like, I mean, if it was the other way, if you start a fight, if a guy stood up and got back to a standing position, you would never take them back down again and start to...

00:34:37.000 But if it was a switch around, just playing devil's advocate over here.

00:34:42.000 Okay.

00:34:43.000 The kickboxer or the stand-up guy...

00:34:47.000 Hit, almost knock him out.

00:34:50.000 Bell rings.

00:34:52.000 Saved by the bell.

00:34:53.000 Right.

00:34:55.000 How do we restart that one?

00:34:57.000 Well, you restart it standing.

00:34:59.000 It's still standing.

00:35:00.000 I mean, the round, you have the minute rest, but you're still standing.

00:35:04.000 The kickbox is still...

00:35:05.000 I would say let it go.

00:35:06.000 Let it go.

00:35:07.000 The clock goes until, hey, and either he recover, get in a clinch, and whew, got away.

00:35:13.000 The right way to do it then is one round.

00:35:15.000 One 15-minute round or one 25-minute round in a championship fight.

00:35:19.000 That's the right way to do it.

00:35:20.000 That would be wild.

00:35:21.000 15, 30 seconds.

00:35:23.000 So 30 seconds, minute round, minute break?

00:35:25.000 Yeah.

00:35:26.000 And then 10 minutes.

00:35:27.000 That's not bad.

00:35:29.000 Yeah.

00:35:29.000 First round, 15. Yeah.

00:35:33.000 That would be crazy.

00:35:34.000 It would be an early night.

00:35:36.000 Yeah.

00:35:37.000 I mean, how many finishes would there be?

00:35:39.000 There'd be a lot more finishes.

00:35:41.000 I think so.

00:35:42.000 I wonder how different...

00:35:43.000 People have to work on the endurance, too.

00:35:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:46.000 Because a lot of guys, I see they finish the fight...

00:35:49.000 One is fresh, the other one is done for the night.

00:35:53.000 But then the one that's fresh lost because he doesn't have that quick twitch, that fast twitch muscle.

00:35:59.000 The one that explodes everything on the first round, the second, third round, that's it.

00:36:04.000 This guy's ready to go for five, six, but his time is over.

00:36:10.000 Right.

00:36:11.000 That's an interesting thing, too, right?

00:36:13.000 What people don't understand that just watch it and don't do martial arts is that it's really just about pacing yourself, too.

00:36:22.000 Knowing when to hit the gas, when to back up, knowing that you have to fight for five rounds, and knowing when to push.

00:36:29.000 Like, some fighters, they'll back off in the beginning because they know that a guy's gonna come out fast and hard, and they're just gonna wait.

00:36:37.000 Okay, he's slowing down now.

00:36:39.000 Now I start to press.

00:36:40.000 Now I start to put on the gas.

00:36:42.000 And it becomes a mental, too.

00:36:44.000 Like Horton used to say, if I drop you off in the middle of the ocean and tell you I'm coming back in an hour, all you gotta do is tread water for an hour.

00:36:54.000 But if I drop you off and say goodbye, find your way home, now you gotta pick a direction and start swimming.

00:36:59.000 Yeah.

00:37:00.000 Most people drown before an hour.

00:37:02.000 Yeah, true.

00:37:03.000 Right?

00:37:04.000 Mental.

00:37:04.000 Yeah.

00:37:05.000 It's a lot of mental.

00:37:06.000 There's no round to save you.

00:37:08.000 Yeah.

00:37:09.000 That's the most interesting thing about the early UFCs is that it was just no time limit.

00:37:15.000 Just, here we go.

00:37:16.000 There's like Dan Severn on top of me for 15 minutes.

00:37:22.000 I beat him on the final 16 minutes.

00:37:27.000 But 15 minutes, if it was today...

00:37:31.000 He would have won.

00:37:32.000 He took me down, got on top, would have won the decision.

00:37:37.000 I remember that day.

00:37:38.000 I remember when you caught him in that triangle.

00:37:40.000 Most people didn't even know what was going on.

00:37:42.000 They're like, what is he doing?

00:37:43.000 What the hell's happening here?

00:37:45.000 What is going on?

00:37:47.000 Nowadays, everybody would be going, oh!

00:37:49.000 The audiences are so educated now.

00:37:51.000 That was a perfect example of playing defense right there.

00:37:55.000 I totally played defense against him just...

00:38:00.000 Frustrate the opponent until he made a mistake.

00:38:03.000 I tried a triangle early on in the fight, but he was able to get out, to get out, and then I defend, defend, defend, defend.

00:38:11.000 He couldn't do anything.

00:38:12.000 I can see him getting frustrated.

00:38:14.000 He didn't know how he was going to win.

00:38:17.000 I can feel that.

00:38:19.000 There's no way I can beat this guy.

00:38:22.000 Right.

00:38:22.000 Because you were so good defensively.

00:38:24.000 Just playing defense.

00:38:25.000 He couldn't hit me.

00:38:26.000 He tried.

00:38:28.000 But I knew he didn't have any finishing holds.

00:38:30.000 He didn't know any finishing holds.

00:38:32.000 He was just trying to put pressure.

00:38:34.000 Okay.

00:38:35.000 I'll take it.

00:38:36.000 No problem.

00:38:39.000 It was also the gi.

00:38:40.000 The gi was so smart, too, to fight with the gi on because guys would just grab that gi.

00:38:46.000 When you would close the distance and get a hold of them, they would grab your gi instinctively.

00:38:51.000 I prefer them to grab.

00:38:53.000 A lot of Brazilians were like, man, but then they grab, they make it harder for you.

00:38:57.000 No, I prefer them to put their hands on me.

00:38:59.000 Yeah.

00:39:00.000 Because I know where their hands are.

00:39:01.000 At least if they're not punching me.

00:39:04.000 Yeah.

00:39:04.000 If they have nothing to grab, they're going to be swinging at me.

00:39:06.000 Right.

00:39:06.000 Go ahead, grab Nike all day long.

00:39:08.000 Yeah.

00:39:08.000 I don't mind.

00:39:09.000 Well, guys who weren't even grapplers would grab your gi.

00:39:11.000 I remember watching.

00:39:12.000 It's human instinct.

00:39:13.000 Yeah, human instinct.

00:39:14.000 Yeah.

00:39:14.000 And also, you have all that friction.

00:39:17.000 It's so good to hold on to guys when you have the gi.

00:39:19.000 And I dry them.

00:39:20.000 My father used the gi to dry the guys.

00:39:23.000 Because if not, it would be slippery.

00:39:25.000 It's not like today.

00:39:26.000 They put oil on their body.

00:39:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:29.000 They definitely do.

00:39:30.000 Yeah, they definitely do.

00:39:31.000 The kickboxers all put Vaseline all over.

00:39:33.000 That's to warm up.

00:39:35.000 The Tiger Bond to warm up.

00:39:37.000 That thing is slippery, man.

00:39:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:39.000 Guys take baths in baby oil.

00:39:41.000 They would lie down in a bathtub and put water and put baby oil in the water and just soak themselves in baby oil.

00:39:48.000 So even if they're dry, then the moment they start to sweat, they're just like, whoop, like holding on to a salmon.

00:39:55.000 Whoop, it'll slip right out of your fingers.

00:39:58.000 It's crazy.

00:39:59.000 Good old days.

00:40:00.000 Good old days.

00:40:01.000 No rules.

00:40:02.000 And then they slowly started implementing rules.

00:40:05.000 They slowly started implementing weight classes and then mandating gloves and then taking away shoes.

00:40:12.000 I understand.

00:40:13.000 I understand.

00:40:14.000 It had to be...

00:40:15.000 It became a show, let's say.

00:40:18.000 Yeah.

00:40:18.000 So in the beginning, it was a style against a style.

00:40:22.000 Yeah.

00:40:22.000 Today is more of a, I would look at it more as like an athlete against an athlete.

00:40:28.000 Yes.

00:40:28.000 Now it's a sport.

00:40:29.000 It's a real sport.

00:40:30.000 And it's still a sport that there's still a lot of rules that I don't agree with.

00:40:34.000 Like, I don't agree with no knees to the head on the ground.

00:40:38.000 I think that's ridiculous.

00:40:39.000 I think that doesn't make sense because they're very effective.

00:40:42.000 Like, don't be in a position where you get kneed in the head.

00:40:44.000 Like, don't be in that.

00:40:46.000 Don't stay in a turtle.

00:40:47.000 Like, when guys just stay in a turtle and a guy's got a hold of him, man, that's a terrible place to be.

00:40:52.000 In the street?

00:40:53.000 Yeah.

00:40:53.000 Oh my god.

00:40:54.000 If a guy's got a head and arm on you and he's holding you and you're in the turtle and his knees are free and you're not blocking your head, oh, this fight is over.

00:41:01.000 But in the UFC, you can't even do anything.

00:41:03.000 That seems to me to be crazy.

00:41:05.000 They tried to make it, I think, to last long, the fights.

00:41:12.000 Well, I think it's less brutal, too.

00:41:14.000 And the idea is that you can't defend yourself against knees to the head of the ground.

00:41:17.000 But you can, obviously.

00:41:19.000 Pride did them.

00:41:20.000 I can't elbow the back of the head.

00:41:22.000 Right, the back of the head from the back, if you have the back mount.

00:41:25.000 Remember when Henzo, when your cousin fought Striker, that guy, in World Combat League?

00:41:31.000 Oh, my God.

00:41:32.000 He got his back and just...

00:41:34.000 Boom!

00:41:35.000 Just fucked him up.

00:41:36.000 Like, you didn't even need to put the choke in.

00:41:38.000 Like, you couldn't do anything.

00:41:40.000 You just flattened out with your face on the mat and the guy's pounding the back of your head.

00:41:44.000 You just tap.

00:41:44.000 So they're kind of trying to put a little bit of...

00:41:47.000 to protect the fighter.

00:41:49.000 Yes.

00:41:50.000 I understand.

00:41:51.000 Eh.

00:41:51.000 I understand too.

00:41:53.000 I don't agree with it.

00:41:54.000 I don't agree with it either.

00:41:56.000 Also, it's weird that you can't hit the back of the head because the back of the head gets hit a lot.

00:42:01.000 A lot accidentally, especially with head kicks.

00:42:04.000 Like a lot of times head kicks wrap around the back of your head and it's totally legal.

00:42:09.000 Like if two guys are standing and one guy faints and the guy throws a punch and the guy throws a head kick and the head kick hits him, bang!

00:42:17.000 It wraps right around the back of the head.

00:42:19.000 It's okay.

00:42:20.000 The shin.

00:42:20.000 That's okay.

00:42:21.000 And that's a legal KO. Yeah.

00:42:23.000 Which is crazy, but if you get a guy on the ground and you punch him in the back of the head, the referee take a point away, stand you up, doesn't make any sense.

00:42:31.000 Yeah, I would say, let it go.

00:42:35.000 Yeah, let it go.

00:42:35.000 Go back to the old days.

00:42:36.000 That would be good to see.

00:42:39.000 You've got to protect the back of your head.

00:42:41.000 The back of your head's vulnerable.

00:42:42.000 If you're in a situation where a guy can punch the back of your head, you should be blocking the back of your head.

00:42:47.000 And if now he can punch the front of your head, now you've got to block the front of your head.

00:42:51.000 Turn facing the opponent.

00:42:54.000 We're talking about the sport of effective fighting.

00:42:57.000 And it's very effective to punch someone in the back of the head.

00:42:59.000 And they say it's more dangerous.

00:43:03.000 But I mean, we're talking about a very dangerous sport.

00:43:05.000 It's affected to punch the temple.

00:43:07.000 That's okay.

00:43:07.000 That's fucking vulnerable.

00:43:09.000 That's a thin little piece of bone.

00:43:10.000 How many ounces are the gloves?

00:43:12.000 Four.

00:43:12.000 Yeah.

00:43:13.000 They're just to protect your fingers.

00:43:15.000 That's all it does.

00:43:16.000 Protect your knuckles.

00:43:16.000 So you don't break.

00:43:17.000 It helps you hit harder.

00:43:18.000 Yep.

00:43:18.000 Yeah.

00:43:19.000 It just protects you from cuts a little bit.

00:43:21.000 A little bit.

00:43:22.000 You know, but still.

00:43:24.000 The cast that they put underneath, all that taping and the gloves, just to protect your hands so it don't break your hands.

00:43:30.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:43:31.000 Do you think that they should be bare knuckle?

00:43:34.000 I think I should go back to the old ways.

00:43:36.000 Just tie out one time.

00:43:38.000 One time, right?

00:43:39.000 One time would be great.

00:43:41.000 No time limit, no weight division.

00:43:43.000 Why doesn't someone do that?

00:43:45.000 Why doesn't someone do that?

00:43:46.000 Someone should do...

00:43:47.000 I mean, I don't know about the weight limit thing.

00:43:49.000 Guys are too good now.

00:43:50.000 The problem is guys are too good.

00:43:52.000 But if there's no weight division, if there's no weight division, you cannot have time limit.

00:43:57.000 Right.

00:43:58.000 So if you take the weight, you gotta take the time.

00:44:00.000 Right.

00:44:00.000 Like my father used to say, I'll give you the weight division, you gotta give me time.

00:44:05.000 Right.

00:44:06.000 So you get some of the lightweights over here, man.

00:44:09.000 The 170s, 180s.

00:44:13.000 They will fight the heavyweights.

00:44:14.000 Also...

00:44:15.000 With no time limit.

00:44:16.000 Most of these guys, well, if they're jiu-jitsu guys, but also a lot of these guys are not really...

00:44:22.000 That's the other thing is the weight cutting.

00:44:24.000 Like Kamaru Usman is a great example.

00:44:27.000 He was the 170-pound champion, one of the greatest ever.

00:44:30.000 Never weighed 170 pounds.

00:44:31.000 He weighed 170 pounds for about five minutes.

00:44:34.000 Walk around 200. Yeah, easy.

00:44:36.000 Jacked.

00:44:36.000 All of them.

00:44:37.000 Everybody.

00:44:38.000 Everybody.

00:44:39.000 You can't fight, I mean, except for BJ Penn.

00:44:42.000 BJ Penn was the last guy who fought at 170. He probably weighed like 165 when he beat Matt Hughes, you know?

00:44:48.000 And he just didn't cut any weight at all.

00:44:51.000 He just weighed what he weighed and just went in and went after it.

00:44:55.000 But again, jujitsu guy, you know?

00:44:58.000 But everybody has to know Jiu Jitsu today.

00:45:00.000 Some are more proficient than the others.

00:45:03.000 Yes.

00:45:03.000 But everybody has to know.

00:45:05.000 Yeah, you have to know what's going on.

00:45:06.000 You have to.

00:45:08.000 Everybody has to know a little bit of wrestling, judo, kickboxing, boxing, karate.

00:45:14.000 Everybody has to know a little bit of everything.

00:45:16.000 Yeah.

00:45:17.000 It's a different sport.

00:45:19.000 It's totally different.

00:45:20.000 But would it be fun to do once, see who can sign up for it?

00:45:24.000 Yeah.

00:45:25.000 Yeah, no time limit, no weight class, no gloves.

00:45:29.000 Yeah, old school.

00:45:30.000 I think they should take away the cage.

00:45:33.000 I think the cage helps people, too, because it helps people stand back up.

00:45:36.000 It helps you if you get a guy down, and you get a guy down in an open room, like, say, a basketball court.

00:45:42.000 Like, there's nothing to help him get back up.

00:45:45.000 Okay, hold on.

00:45:45.000 Time out over here.

00:45:46.000 Now you brought some memories over here.

00:45:49.000 Yeah.

00:45:49.000 First UFC. It was John Millers, the producer for Conan the Destroyer, the father of Dirty Harry, Clint Eastwood.

00:46:03.000 He's in charge of creating the cage.

00:46:06.000 But before the cage, they come up with some ideas they present to me.

00:46:11.000 I was like, wait a minute, hold on.

00:46:13.000 They're like, how about if we make a round ring with a pit underneath, with a pit.

00:46:22.000 Around it.

00:46:22.000 With sharks.

00:46:24.000 I was like, hold on.

00:46:27.000 Imagine if I fight a sumo wrestler and just bump me off and fall off the sharks.

00:46:32.000 We eat you.

00:46:32.000 Yeah, yeah, we should put piranhas because you're from Brazil.

00:46:35.000 What?

00:46:36.000 What?

00:46:37.000 The ideas they had.

00:46:39.000 How about like a bowl?

00:46:43.000 And people try to get off, but you can't because it'd be slippery.

00:46:47.000 You can't climb off the walls, the side.

00:46:49.000 But then they didn't have the angles for the camera.

00:46:51.000 And how about putting a...

00:46:53.000 They try with the octagon, but with barbed wires.

00:46:59.000 Oh God.

00:47:00.000 I was like, dude, imagine if I had somebody big and just push me against and hang me on top.

00:47:06.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

00:47:07.000 Let's make an electrical fence.

00:47:09.000 I was like, really?

00:47:11.000 The ideas they had, man.

00:47:15.000 I was like, everybody I'm going to fight is going to be bigger than me.

00:47:18.000 The guy pushed me against the fence and fried me against the fence.

00:47:21.000 Come on, really?

00:47:22.000 That's crazy.

00:47:23.000 I keep viewing the ideas, man.

00:47:25.000 They had all kind of crazy ideas.

00:47:27.000 God, imagine if they went through with those.

00:47:30.000 That's so ridiculous.

00:47:32.000 I've been saying for a while that they should do...

00:47:34.000 Look, if you could watch a basketball game.

00:47:37.000 Basketball games on this massive court.

00:47:39.000 Why can't there be a fight on a basketball court?

00:47:42.000 Just flat mats.

00:47:44.000 No walls.

00:47:46.000 So everyone can see everything that's going on.

00:47:49.000 Even a basketball, the guys will go to the edge.

00:47:53.000 Yeah, but you have a warning track.

00:47:55.000 So you have a warning track of like 15 feet on each side.

00:47:58.000 Let's make that bowl.

00:48:00.000 Bowl's not a bad idea.

00:48:02.000 So a guy can not climb off.

00:48:03.000 It's like with the wall, the edge is...

00:48:06.000 Have you seen Karate Combat?

00:48:07.000 How Karate Combat's doing it?

00:48:09.000 No.

00:48:09.000 Karate Combat is doing it like that, where they have a flat surface and it's on the edges.

00:48:13.000 There's mats that go to the edges, like at an angle.

00:48:17.000 In the angle, like people cannot climb out.

00:48:19.000 They kind of go up against it, but then they get pushed and then they fall down.

00:48:23.000 They fall down.

00:48:24.000 I think a wall is actually better than the angle.

00:48:27.000 Because it's just too easy to fall.

00:48:29.000 Like someone's pushing you up against that thing.

00:48:32.000 It's a slope.

00:48:33.000 It's hard.

00:48:36.000 If you see how they do it, see how they have that wall?

00:48:40.000 The angle?

00:48:42.000 So I don't necessarily think that that's the best idea because as soon as you go up against that, a lot of times guys wind up falling down and the guy just falls on top of them.

00:48:51.000 Oh, you can't back up?

00:48:51.000 Yeah, you can't back up.

00:48:54.000 I think it would be better if it was like a basketball court.

00:48:57.000 Just a flat mat and a basketball court and there's a warning track.

00:49:00.000 So if you know you're in the red zone, you have to get out of that red zone.

00:49:04.000 And if you keep retreating to the red zone, maybe they take a point away from you.

00:49:08.000 It's a lot of room.

00:49:09.000 A basketball court is a big space.

00:49:12.000 There's plenty of room.

00:49:13.000 You start in the center and then that's how you fight.

00:49:18.000 I'm just trying to eliminate all the factors that aren't another human.

00:49:22.000 Like the other human, if a guy takes you down and you could scooch up to the wall and then you start using the wall and you press up against the wall, now you're standing up again, but you use the wall.

00:49:34.000 If that was just flat, no wall, you're not getting up.

00:49:38.000 Now you have to go under hooks.

00:49:40.000 You have to do deep half.

00:49:41.000 You have to do something to try to reverse the position.

00:49:44.000 You try to get back up on your feet.

00:49:46.000 You have to earn a stand-up.

00:49:48.000 Much more difficult than if you're just using the wall to help you stand back up.

00:49:56.000 Shark.

00:49:57.000 Yeah!

00:49:58.000 Shark's piratas.

00:49:59.000 Shark's piratas, electrical fence.

00:50:02.000 God.

00:50:04.000 I remember the first UFC I worked was UFC 12. And this was when I was on a television show.

00:50:12.000 I was on this television show called News Radio.

00:50:14.000 It was a sitcom.

00:50:15.000 And so I was hired to go do the post-fight interviews.

00:50:20.000 And I remember the people that I was working with on the sitcom were like, what are you doing?

00:50:23.000 Like, why are you being involved in this?

00:50:26.000 This is brutal.

00:50:27.000 And I was telling them, I was like, no, no, no.

00:50:28.000 This is going to be the biggest sport in the world.

00:50:30.000 They're like, you're out of your...

00:50:31.000 Fucking mind.

00:50:32.000 You're crazy.

00:50:33.000 No one's gonna like this.

00:50:34.000 This is insanity.

00:50:36.000 Like you're going to watch people fight in a cage.

00:50:38.000 And I'm like...

00:50:39.000 That was one of the challenges that Horton had and a lot of people did not believe in on him.

00:50:46.000 He was like, people are like, man, you cannot fight on the streets.

00:50:50.000 How are you gonna put this on live TV? Right.

00:50:54.000 That was one of the challenges that the Horton figured out pay-per-view.

00:50:59.000 He must be happy now watching it, right?

00:51:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:02.000 Like, look, I was right.

00:51:03.000 His baby.

00:51:03.000 Yeah, look at his baby now.

00:51:05.000 His baby's on ESPN. Yep.

00:51:07.000 Crazy.

00:51:08.000 Crazy.

00:51:09.000 Yeah, on national TV. When was the last time Horian went to a UFC? I don't know.

00:51:15.000 Does he still watch them?

00:51:16.000 No.

00:51:17.000 I think so.

00:51:18.000 I think he's just watching.

00:51:20.000 So I talk to him once in a while and once a month we talk.

00:51:25.000 It must be crazy for him to see this thing that was his idea just branch off and become this huge...

00:51:32.000 All over the world.

00:51:33.000 Is he mad that he didn't get a piece?

00:51:37.000 No.

00:51:37.000 Because it's sold for billions of dollars.

00:51:40.000 He never talked to me about that.

00:51:42.000 Boy, they should have cut him in.

00:51:44.000 They should have cut him in.

00:51:46.000 You know, when you think about it, like if anybody deserves a piece, that guy deserves a piece.

00:51:50.000 For the vision that he had.

00:51:53.000 Yes!

00:51:53.000 If it wasn't for his vision and the way they decided to go about doing it, and also your father, your father's vision for it, you're like, don't hurt him.

00:52:01.000 Just use jiu-jitsu.

00:52:02.000 Show everybody.

00:52:03.000 Because that's one of the things that made it so appealing.

00:52:06.000 It wasn't that it was just so brutal.

00:52:07.000 It's that the guy who won wasn't brutal.

00:52:10.000 The guy who won was just better.

00:52:12.000 Technical.

00:52:12.000 And that's why I think the first, second, third UFC, until I didn't finish on the third UFC, and first and second, people were like, there's no way.

00:52:22.000 He's the smallest one.

00:52:23.000 Right.

00:52:24.000 Beat everybody without hurting them.

00:52:27.000 I don't know.

00:52:28.000 Everybody thought, I was like, eh, a lot of people are like the non-martial artist people.

00:52:33.000 Yes.

00:52:34.000 Martial arts people knew it was like, uh-oh.

00:52:36.000 Yeah, martial arts people knew.

00:52:38.000 We've got to learn this.

00:52:39.000 Well, everybody who took jiu-jitsu knew right away.

00:52:42.000 Because it was so eye-opening.

00:52:44.000 Like I said before, my first classes, the ideas that you had in your head of how competent you are versus the reality that you're confronted with.

00:52:53.000 And you saw that in all the Gracian action tapes, too.

00:52:56.000 These guys, they wanted to do it again.

00:52:58.000 Like, how did you do that?

00:52:59.000 Let's try it again.

00:53:00.000 No way.

00:53:00.000 And then, whoop, take down again.

00:53:02.000 Whoop, armbar.

00:53:03.000 Like Geraldo Gordor, after the first UFC, he went back to Holland and prepared Remco Pardus to beat me.

00:53:12.000 Remco Pardus, judo player, used some stand-up.

00:53:15.000 When I beat Remco Pardus, they went back to Holland, they're like, okay, we have to learn this jiu-jitsu thing.

00:53:22.000 We have to learn this.

00:53:24.000 Remember when Remco Pardue fought Orlando Veet?

00:53:27.000 Yes.

00:53:27.000 And he got him in side control, and he just elbowed him unconscious, and everybody's like, oh, wow.

00:53:34.000 Like, whoa.

00:53:36.000 That was crazy.

00:53:38.000 Because Orlando Veet was scary.

00:53:40.000 That guy was scary.

00:53:41.000 Yes.

00:53:42.000 Lightweight, very good kickboxer.

00:53:44.000 Yeah.

00:53:44.000 Nasty.

00:53:45.000 Nasty Muay Thai.

00:53:47.000 And Remco Pardue just whoop, took him down, elbows, boom, boom, boom, and then stopped.

00:53:52.000 He stopped.

00:53:53.000 He's out.

00:53:54.000 He was done.

00:53:55.000 That's it.

00:53:55.000 That's a wrap.

00:53:58.000 Such an educational moment for martial arts.

00:54:01.000 Again, martial arts has changed so much since 1993. People's understanding of martial arts, just the general public, what they know.

00:54:09.000 If you see street fights today, guys go to the ground all the time.

00:54:13.000 You see street fights today.

00:54:14.000 Guys get guys in heel hooks.

00:54:16.000 It's crazy!

00:54:17.000 Street fights!

00:54:18.000 Yep.

00:54:19.000 You know?

00:54:19.000 Here it is.

00:54:20.000 Here's Remco.

00:54:20.000 Boom!

00:54:21.000 Boom!

00:54:22.000 The first one, he was already out.

00:54:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:24.000 Remco is like 260 pounds.

00:54:26.000 Yeah, he was a big dude.

00:54:28.000 But it was just like no one understood what was going on.

00:54:31.000 No one understood anything.

00:54:32.000 That's the same takedown that he tried to do to me, but I ended up on his back.

00:54:36.000 Yeah.

00:54:37.000 And I knew he was going to do that takedown, trap the arm, roll over.

00:54:40.000 Mm-hmm.

00:54:42.000 So I end up on his back, and that's when I choke him.

00:54:45.000 Such a strange time for martial arts, really.

00:54:48.000 If you really stop and think about it, such a strange time.

00:54:51.000 Because all these years, thousands of years of people fighting, thousands of years of people having this idea of how to fight, and then all of it comes together in the UFC, and then we go, okay, now we have new data.

00:55:03.000 Now we have new understanding.

00:55:05.000 Now we have, okay, now we get it.

00:55:07.000 Now we get it.

00:55:08.000 And then you see it evolve to what it is now, where you see these guys, like Alex Pajeda, the kickboxer who comes in, and now he's got his style.

00:55:18.000 I think today is more of a lot of strategy too.

00:55:22.000 Because both fighters are practicing the stand-up and the grappling.

00:55:28.000 They do jiu-jitsu, they do wrestling, everybody does kickboxing, karate, everybody practices all of them.

00:55:34.000 So it's a question of who has the best strategy.

00:55:38.000 Yeah, who has the best strategy?

00:55:39.000 And then there's people like Pajera, who has a unique skill set.

00:55:43.000 Like, scary kickboxer.

00:55:46.000 Dangerous.

00:55:46.000 He just hits you once, you're unconscious.

00:55:48.000 You know, like, that guy presents a very unique challenge.

00:55:51.000 Like, if you don't grab him and you don't get him to the ground, you're fucked.

00:55:55.000 Because if you're standing up with him, at any moment that guy's gonna set you up, move, and BOOM! Like we did with Jamal Hill in that last fight.

00:56:02.000 Yes.

00:56:03.000 All it takes is one shot from that guy.

00:56:06.000 So these guys now, everyone has their own unique skill set, and it's so interesting seeing how that skill set matches up with another guy's skill set.

00:56:16.000 With Pajeda, I want to see what happens if he fights against an elite wrestler, who is really good at takedowns, who knows jiu-jitsu.

00:56:24.000 You know, and we haven't seen that yet.

00:56:26.000 But he trains a lot of grappling, too.

00:56:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:30.000 Well, he just got his black belt from Glover.

00:56:32.000 From Glover, yes.

00:56:33.000 Yeah, which is huge.

00:56:34.000 And Glover's good.

00:56:35.000 Yeah, and Glover says he's, like, very good on the ground now.

00:56:38.000 No, Glover himself is tough as fuck.

00:56:40.000 People don't know how good Glover is because Glover could not fight in the U.S. for six years because of visa issues during his prime.

00:56:48.000 During his prime, Glover was stuck in Brazil.

00:56:51.000 He couldn't come to America.

00:56:53.000 Everybody knew about it.

00:56:54.000 Glover was the boogeyman.

00:56:55.000 Everybody talked about Glover.

00:56:57.000 Glover was the guy that, out of all the elite guys that weren't in the UFC, Glover was the number one guy that everybody talked about.

00:57:04.000 He was so good when he was younger.

00:57:07.000 By the time he got to the UFC, he was already 36 years old.

00:57:09.000 He won the title, I think he was 41 or 42, when he won the light heavyweight title.

00:57:15.000 And Alex trains with him.

00:57:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:57:18.000 Yeah, it's a good combination.

00:57:20.000 Oh, perfect, perfect, perfect combination, yeah.

00:57:23.000 I mean, it's an amazing, exciting time for the sport, you know?

00:57:27.000 It really is.

00:57:29.000 And it's good.

00:57:31.000 There's still a lot of countries, a lot of places that are against.

00:57:36.000 So we still can open up more doors.

00:57:40.000 What countries are against MMA now?

00:57:42.000 A lot of European countries are still like...

00:57:45.000 It's starting to make its way, like this guy's from France.

00:57:48.000 Just now, last year, I think, starting France and Spain.

00:57:52.000 Well, France has some great guys, too, now, though.

00:57:55.000 You know, Cyril Ghosn and Cedric Dumbay, who fights for PFL, who's an elite kickboxer.

00:58:04.000 And then, of course, you got those guys from Dagestan.

00:58:08.000 That's an interesting element, too.

00:58:09.000 Those Russian wrestlers.

00:58:11.000 Yeah.

00:58:13.000 I don't think it's because of their wrestling.

00:58:16.000 I think it's because of their discipline.

00:58:19.000 And I tell a lot of people that those guys don't think about anything else.

00:58:24.000 Just train.

00:58:25.000 Discipline about it.

00:58:26.000 Very religious.

00:58:27.000 Very disciplined.

00:58:29.000 Very focused.

00:58:30.000 Yeah.

00:58:30.000 There's no, the girlfriend or wife, they're not thinking about any of that.

00:58:36.000 No partying.

00:58:36.000 There's no partying.

00:58:38.000 That's all they do.

00:58:39.000 Get up, train, sleep, eat, train.

00:58:42.000 So yeah, they don't think about anything else.

00:58:45.000 They're just more, I think they're more disciplined than this side of the world.

00:58:52.000 Yeah, I was watching this interview with Khabib where he was talking, it was a conversation that he was having with someone who was talking about young people, that it's so important that they maintain focus because a young guy who's really talented and is above and better than everybody else when he's 18, sometimes they'll slack off and then they come back to it when they're like 22, but then by then they're average and everybody else has gotten much better and they lost that advantage and they won't be special.

00:59:20.000 But the guy who's 18, who's above and beyond everybody else in the gym, that guy, if he can maintain that discipline and maintain that focus, then he can go on to become a champion.

00:59:31.000 I totally believe on that.

00:59:33.000 It's the discipline.

00:59:35.000 It's not because they're better wrestlers or because they're better strikers.

00:59:41.000 You find very good wrestlers everywhere in America.

00:59:45.000 Top wrestlers in the world over here.

00:59:48.000 Olympics.

00:59:49.000 But I think the discipline is what's missing a lot of people.

00:59:57.000 They don't take Sunday offs.

00:59:59.000 Right, right, right.

01:00:00.000 Oh, it's Sunday, we're going to rest.

01:00:02.000 No, no, not for them.

01:00:03.000 Not for those guys.

01:00:05.000 What was training like for you during UFC 1?

01:00:19.000 I never really party.

01:00:21.000 So I understand because I'm on that philosophy.

01:00:25.000 I would say good.

01:00:27.000 Before, like a month, two months before the fights, a month before the fight, when I was fighting in Japan, when I went to fight in Japan, a month before the fight, I would move out of the house.

01:00:39.000 So I don't have to deal with the kids, with the woman, nothing.

01:00:44.000 So, a month before.

01:00:47.000 And Or you would come over and have a talk with me and my father.

01:00:54.000 And it's like, okay, there's no babysitting.

01:00:57.000 There's no hanging out with the kids.

01:01:01.000 Yep.

01:01:03.000 None of that.

01:01:04.000 Just Spartan training.

01:01:06.000 Yeah.

01:01:07.000 Pretty much.

01:01:08.000 Yeah.

01:01:09.000 And I understand.

01:01:10.000 I was like, okay, I'm a soldier, man.

01:01:11.000 You tell me to do it, I'll do it.

01:01:13.000 There's not a doubt.

01:01:15.000 They say, do it, done.

01:01:19.000 So you cannot hang around with the kids and babysit and the kids are little.

01:01:23.000 They're all grown now, but it's like, nope, okay.

01:01:27.000 I can cut it off, not a problem.

01:01:30.000 A lot of discipline on that.

01:01:32.000 Say goodbye to the family.

01:01:33.000 You gotta go train, you gotta go spend a month away.

01:01:36.000 And what was a day's training like?

01:01:38.000 Did you do any strength and conditioning back then?

01:01:41.000 Or was it all just jujitsu training and position training and drills?

01:01:47.000 It was a lot of in that order.

01:01:50.000 You have to know what you're doing.

01:01:52.000 That's how I learned from my family.

01:01:54.000 You have to have endurance.

01:01:56.000 Then becomes power.

01:01:58.000 Yes, I did a lot of strength and conditioning, but a lot of endurance.

01:02:02.000 Endurance was before the strength.

01:02:06.000 So even till today, it's knowledge.

01:02:09.000 If you don't know how to fight, you have no business in the cage.

01:02:13.000 But then you know how to fight and you have a lot of power, but you can't last more than two minutes.

01:02:18.000 Uh-oh, you're in trouble.

01:02:20.000 So you have to know what you're doing.

01:02:22.000 You have to have endurance to last at least the first round five minutes.

01:02:26.000 Then it becomes power.

01:02:27.000 And what kind of endurance training would you do?

01:02:30.000 Oh, doing everything from running to swimming to strength coach.

01:02:37.000 And I one time got up and it's like, okay, the guy, he used to be the strength coach for USC, for the Rams when they were in LA. James, man, went for a 41-mile run.

01:02:52.000 41 miles?

01:02:53.000 One day, seven hours later, I told him, stop.

01:02:58.000 My calves are both cramped up, man.

01:03:01.000 I can't take a nugget step.

01:03:03.000 That seems crazy.

01:03:05.000 Yeah.

01:03:06.000 So, just not too long ago, a couple years ago, a bunch of friends of mine from the Navy SEALs asked me, hey, let's go swim across, let's go swim at Tampa Bay.

01:03:19.000 I was like, sure, let's do it.

01:03:23.000 I figured out it was across Tampa Bay.

01:03:27.000 It's like three hours later.

01:03:31.000 Three hours of swimming?

01:03:33.000 I made it, but my God.

01:03:36.000 Jesus Christ.

01:03:37.000 I was having frostbite on my fingers.

01:03:39.000 It was January, very cold water.

01:03:42.000 Brazilians are not made for cold weather.

01:03:44.000 It was not the distance.

01:03:46.000 It was not, I can make it.

01:03:48.000 It was not carrying like extra 40, 50 pounds of weight dragging behind us.

01:03:54.000 No, it was the cold water that got to me.

01:03:56.000 It was like, but I did it.

01:03:58.000 Got to the other side.

01:03:59.000 Did you train for that or did you just do it?

01:04:01.000 I swim about maybe a dozen times.

01:04:07.000 I thought we're just going to go to the beach and just hang out, swim on the beach.

01:04:11.000 Yeah, cold water.

01:04:12.000 Okay, yeah.

01:04:13.000 Come in, come out.

01:04:14.000 No.

01:04:15.000 Three hours.

01:04:16.000 By the time they said it's across Tampa Bay, I was like, now I cannot back down, man.

01:04:21.000 I got to do it.

01:04:22.000 Wow.

01:04:22.000 Went to a pool, swim in a nice warm pool a dozen times, maybe a dozen times.

01:04:28.000 Just to get ready for that.

01:04:29.000 Yep.

01:04:29.000 Oh, fuck.

01:04:30.000 It was pretty much just on heart, man.

01:04:35.000 We climb up, cactus to clouds, that's in Palm Springs.

01:04:42.000 Strength coach is like, yeah, we're going to go for a hike.

01:04:45.000 Dude, it's like cactus to clouds.

01:04:49.000 It's bad.

01:04:51.000 We did it!

01:04:52.000 We got up there.

01:04:54.000 How long did that take?

01:04:55.000 All day.

01:04:56.000 Oh, they left like 3 o'clock, 4 o'clock in the morning.

01:04:59.000 We started.

01:05:01.000 Finished by 4 o'clock in the afternoon, 3 or 4 o'clock in the afternoon.

01:05:06.000 Cactus to clouds.

01:05:07.000 21 miles.

01:05:08.000 Difficulty.

01:05:09.000 Class 1, 2. Highly strenuous.

01:05:11.000 10,400 feet change of elevation.

01:05:15.000 Jesus Christ.

01:05:17.000 That's nuts.

01:05:18.000 Yeah.

01:05:21.000 Yeah, I always did endurance stuff.

01:05:25.000 With fighting, if you don't have endurance, you don't have anything.

01:05:29.000 We fought for an hour and 45. Was it an hour and 45?

01:05:32.000 Yeah.

01:05:33.000 It was six rounds of 15 minutes with a two-minute rest.

01:05:36.000 I think it was two-minute rest in between rounds.

01:05:39.000 15 minutes, rest for two, 15. Crazy.

01:05:44.000 Yeah.

01:05:45.000 Is that the longest fight you had?

01:05:46.000 Yes.

01:05:48.000 945, that's the second longest fight in history.

01:05:51.000 What's the longest fight in history?

01:05:52.000 My father.

01:05:52.000 Oh, wow.

01:05:53.000 340. Wow.

01:05:54.000 342 or something like this.

01:05:56.000 Yep.

01:05:58.000 Fighting.

01:05:59.000 But he was one round.

01:06:01.000 Yeah.

01:06:01.000 That was six rounds of 15 minutes.

01:06:04.000 What was the longest fight in the UFC that was one round?

01:06:09.000 I think Dan Sever and I. No, Kesham Rock and I. One round of, it was 30 minutes on the UFC 5. We did it one round of 30 minutes.

01:06:24.000 What about other organizers?

01:06:25.000 Remember when Murillo Bustamante fought Tom Erickson?

01:06:28.000 Tom Erickson, yes.

01:06:29.000 That was another one that was crazy because Murillo was 185 and Tom Erickson was 300 pounds.

01:06:35.000 He was fucking huge.

01:06:36.000 And a very good wrestler.

01:06:37.000 Powerful guy, too.

01:06:39.000 People forgot about Tom Erickson.

01:06:41.000 He was a very good wrestler.

01:06:42.000 He was a scary motherfucker.

01:06:43.000 Yes.

01:06:44.000 Big, they would call him the big cat.

01:06:46.000 Because he moved like a cat, but he was 300 pounds.

01:06:49.000 That was when the wrestlers were taking over and trying to fight against, showing the Brazilians that Jiu-Jitsu was nothing.

01:06:57.000 So they had the heavyweights.

01:07:00.000 It was Tom Erickson, Kerr, Coleman.

01:07:03.000 Yep.

01:07:06.000 Royce Alger, too.

01:07:07.000 He entered into the UFC. And Ensign Inouye armbarred him, remember?

01:07:11.000 Yep.

01:07:11.000 Broke his arm.

01:07:12.000 And all those guys went to Brazil, to fight in Brazil.

01:07:15.000 Mm-hmm.

01:07:15.000 Yeah.

01:07:17.000 Kevin Randleman.

01:07:19.000 Randleman, Mark Kerr.

01:07:20.000 Yep.

01:07:21.000 Chuck Liddell.

01:07:22.000 They fought Fabio Gurgel.

01:07:24.000 Mm-hmm.

01:07:25.000 Chuck Liddell fought Pele.

01:07:26.000 Yep.

01:07:27.000 Remember when they used to have the ring with the netting underneath the bottom rope so people can't slip out?

01:07:32.000 Yeah.

01:07:33.000 Crazy.

01:07:35.000 It's crazy when you think about it, how much the sport has changed and how many just, I mean, and what's amazing is you could watch all those matches too.

01:07:45.000 Like back then, trying to watch a match was very hard to do.

01:07:48.000 You had to find a tape.

01:07:50.000 You know?

01:07:51.000 Yeah, I remember people saying, yes, man, you fought in America.

01:07:55.000 We had to wait a week or two weeks until somebody bring the tape over, the VHS. They had to bring it, not even send.

01:08:04.000 They had to somebody come over here, record it, and then take it back to Brazil and make copies and pass it around to people.

01:08:11.000 Yeah.

01:08:13.000 Well, it's also like people had to understand where the level was at, too.

01:08:16.000 Because if you didn't watch it, you didn't understand where the level was at.

01:08:20.000 I remember there was a match between Hickson and Hegan.

01:08:24.000 There was a jujitsu match between Hickson and Hegan.

01:08:27.000 And at the time, it was like the highest level.

01:08:30.000 Jiu-Jitsu black belt match we had ever seen.

01:08:32.000 And we're watching Hickson and Heegan going after him like, oh my God.

01:08:37.000 They were both studs.

01:08:38.000 Studs.

01:08:39.000 Heegan was not easy, man.

01:08:40.000 He was so good.

01:08:41.000 He was a stud.

01:08:42.000 Oh my God.

01:08:42.000 And watching those guys go at it in their prime.

01:08:45.000 It's like you get to see that level.

01:08:47.000 And you get to watch the tape if you were going to see that.

01:08:49.000 Yep.

01:08:50.000 Because, you know, we weren't in Brazil.

01:08:51.000 So we'd have to, someone has to film it.

01:08:53.000 They have to get it over to us.

01:08:54.000 Yeah.

01:08:56.000 Crazy.

01:08:57.000 How come Hickson never fought in the UFC? Was there ever a moment where he almost came over?

01:09:02.000 I think because I was fighting there in the UFC. If not, it was tournament back then.

01:09:07.000 So if both of us fought, we end up facing Chad.

01:09:12.000 So I think that's why he decided to go to Japan.

01:09:15.000 But when you stopped fighting in the UFC, was there ever a moment where they were trying to get Hickson to come over?

01:09:21.000 I don't know if they approached him, but he was already successful in Japan and they kept him busy over there.

01:09:31.000 So Higgs was beating up the heavyweights in Japan.

01:09:36.000 Yeah, he was beating up everybody over there.

01:09:38.000 That's the thing that, unfortunately, in America, people weren't aware of, like, Japan Vale Tudo and all the different...

01:09:44.000 And then the original Pride, you know, when he fought Takata, and he fought all those guys over there, and Funaki.

01:09:51.000 The original, the first Vale Tudo, yes.

01:09:53.000 Yes, yeah.

01:09:54.000 Yeah, well, that's...

01:09:55.000 Fortunately, we have Choke, the documentary.

01:09:58.000 So people get a chance to see it from that.

01:10:01.000 Hickson was a beast, man.

01:10:02.000 Oh my god.

01:10:03.000 Yeah.

01:10:04.000 Well, that was the crazy thing when you were winning the UFC. You were telling everybody, hey, my brother's even better than me.

01:10:10.000 And everybody was like, what?

01:10:11.000 By a hundred times.

01:10:13.000 Not by a little bit.

01:10:15.000 By a lot.

01:10:16.000 That's crazy.

01:10:17.000 Why was he so much better?

01:10:20.000 I don't think it was just physique.

01:10:23.000 It was the way he moved.

01:10:26.000 Put his weight.

01:10:27.000 The way the position himself.

01:10:32.000 So, it was all position.

01:10:33.000 Wasn't people say, well, because he was stronger, he was more athletic.

01:10:36.000 Nah, he wasn't.

01:10:39.000 Because he...

01:10:41.000 I don't think he ever used strength against me.

01:10:46.000 When we were training, it was not like, okay, I'm stronger than you, I'm going to just rely on strength.

01:10:52.000 It was just body weight.

01:10:54.000 Just the knowing position.

01:10:57.000 Knowing.

01:10:57.000 So he just had a special talent.

01:10:59.000 Yeah.

01:11:00.000 I would say a special talent, yes.

01:11:02.000 But that was so confusing for us, because we would hear like, what?!

01:11:06.000 His brother's better than him?

01:11:07.000 Like, how is this possible?

01:11:08.000 Not by a little bit, by a lot.

01:11:13.000 It's crazy.

01:11:15.000 But Hoyle, too.

01:11:16.000 Yeah.

01:11:17.000 And Hoyle was lighter weight than me.

01:11:19.000 But like you said, Spartan with Hoyle, he's like grabbing a salmon.

01:11:25.000 He's all over the place.

01:11:27.000 It's like, ah!

01:11:28.000 And he's little, man.

01:11:30.000 Well, he was the most successful in tournaments, right?

01:11:33.000 Yeah.

01:11:33.000 Yes.

01:11:34.000 And he used to win the open-weight divisions and fighting all the heavyweights and Royle was a beast, man.

01:11:42.000 What a family you have.

01:11:43.000 I mean, what a family.

01:11:45.000 All of them.

01:11:45.000 Bunch of studs.

01:11:46.000 All of them.

01:11:47.000 Everyone.

01:11:47.000 Henzo.

01:11:48.000 Including the girls.

01:11:49.000 Sure.

01:11:50.000 Yeah, look at Kira.

01:11:51.000 Yeah.

01:11:51.000 Sure.

01:11:52.000 Sure.

01:11:53.000 Look at Kira.

01:11:54.000 Look at even the ones that are not involved in teaching.

01:11:58.000 Dude, they're vicious.

01:12:03.000 It's just so incredible that this one family produced so many champions.

01:12:08.000 There's never been anything like it in all of combat sports.

01:12:11.000 There's never been anything even remotely close.

01:12:14.000 There's no even second place that you could bring up.

01:12:16.000 You know, there's a few times where two brothers were really good at fighting, you know, but it's never been anything like you guys.

01:12:23.000 A bunch of brothers and cousins.

01:12:25.000 Yeah, everybody.

01:12:26.000 Yeah, everybody.

01:12:28.000 Yep.

01:12:28.000 I mean, when you heard the name Gracie, everybody's like, oh, shit.

01:12:31.000 It's going to be a problem.

01:12:35.000 Like, I think it was Henzo that said once, Henzo, man, it's another beast on the family, said, we are not a family, we're a factory of fighters.

01:12:44.000 Yeah.

01:12:45.000 Pretty much.

01:12:46.000 In a lot of ways, yeah.

01:12:47.000 Yeah.

01:12:47.000 I mean, so many.

01:12:49.000 Heian, Henzo, I mean, just so many, so many.

01:12:54.000 It's just really incredible when you really stop and think about it.

01:12:57.000 The amount of people that we all created, that came, that learned from us at one point.

01:13:06.000 Yeah.

01:13:07.000 It's extraordinary.

01:13:09.000 It really is.

01:13:10.000 When you watch jujitsu now, you know, do you watch jujitsu, like no-gi jujitsu?

01:13:16.000 Do you watch these guys?

01:13:19.000 Like when you see guys like Gordon Ryan.

01:13:21.000 I'm not big in tournament.

01:13:23.000 Gordon Ryan's awesome, man.

01:13:25.000 That's his belt up there.

01:13:27.000 That's his Abu Dhabi belt.

01:13:29.000 We met up with a friend of ours, Derek.

01:13:34.000 We met up with him.

01:13:36.000 We were teaching him in Chicago.

01:13:38.000 And he's very respectful.

01:13:40.000 Gordon Ryan came up.

01:13:41.000 He's like, man, can we roll a little bit?

01:13:43.000 He's like, sure, let's roll.

01:13:44.000 It wasn't too long ago, maybe a year ago, less than a year ago.

01:13:49.000 And the guy's a beast, man.

01:13:51.000 I was like, I know of him.

01:13:54.000 So he's very respectful, we're going very light, and he's going easy on me.

01:13:58.000 And I was like, okay, go ahead, catch me.

01:14:02.000 And he wouldn't.

01:14:04.000 Really?

01:14:04.000 And he turned around and I can feel him giving to me.

01:14:07.000 It's like, no, you take me without talking.

01:14:11.000 And I was like, there's no way I'm going to take because it wouldn't be believable.

01:14:14.000 There's no way I can tap him.

01:14:17.000 And I'm, okay, and I give it to him back, something.

01:14:20.000 And he's like pretending he doesn't see it, and he gives something back to me.

01:14:23.000 Up to the point that I start laughing, I was like, dude, really?

01:14:28.000 I'm giving the arm, and he's giving me the neck, and I'm giving the triangle, and he's giving me this.

01:14:34.000 We're like both giving each other, but very respectful, man.

01:14:36.000 That's funny.

01:14:37.000 When you talk about discipline, that guy works out 365 days a year.

01:14:42.000 There's no Christmas.

01:14:43.000 Christmas, fuck you.

01:14:44.000 Your birthday, fuck you.

01:14:45.000 Every day.

01:14:46.000 They train every day.

01:14:47.000 I told him people misunderstanding what he's saying.

01:14:53.000 He's challenging people.

01:14:56.000 I said, that's good.

01:14:57.000 Yeah.

01:15:00.000 That's what my family did.

01:15:01.000 You say you're good.

01:15:03.000 I say I'm good.

01:15:04.000 There's only one way to find out.

01:15:05.000 Yeah.

01:15:06.000 And I told him, keep doing it.

01:15:09.000 Because they'll push people.

01:15:11.000 You see, yep, that's us training.

01:15:13.000 We're going so light, he's going so easy on me and I'm giving to him, go ahead, catch me.

01:15:17.000 And he's like, put the hand and it doesn't catch me.

01:15:19.000 I was like, really?

01:15:21.000 And then he'll give me something and I was like, okay, you take it.

01:15:24.000 I was like, no, you take it.

01:15:26.000 Nice and smooth and slow.

01:15:29.000 But that's the thing that he's capable of rolling like that because he's so fucking strong, but he doesn't use it.

01:15:34.000 You know, it's just all technique and movement, you know, and understanding.

01:15:38.000 And obviously he came from Henzo school, you know, John Donaher taught him and Donaher came from Henzo.

01:15:46.000 You know, it's like it's all that same lineage.

01:15:48.000 But there's a lot of good talent people out there right now.

01:15:53.000 Oh, my God.

01:15:54.000 It's incredible.

01:15:55.000 Like, the level of just jiu-jitsu now is so high.

01:15:58.000 You know, Mikey Musumechi and, you know, the Rutolo brothers and all these different guys out there.

01:16:03.000 There's just so much high level.

01:16:06.000 There's somebody that trains with him, with Gordon Ryan...

01:16:12.000 I can't remember his name right now, man, but I heard the kid says, I'm gonna catch you on the left arm.

01:16:19.000 And he catch you on the left arm.

01:16:22.000 It's like, fuck, I'm gonna catch the right foot.

01:16:27.000 And he catches you.

01:16:28.000 And he tells you how long and timing.

01:16:33.000 It's like, wow, that's impressive to be able to pull such a thing.

01:16:38.000 It's not easy.

01:16:39.000 No.

01:16:39.000 Well, that's what guys do when they get past the level of everybody else, right?

01:16:43.000 They just start challenging themselves by giving themselves one thing they're going to try to do.

01:16:48.000 And I ask people around, and people say, yep, this kid is...

01:16:51.000 Which guy is this?

01:16:53.000 It's a training partner for Gordon Ryan.

01:16:55.000 Gene Carlo?

01:16:56.000 Who is it?

01:16:57.000 Do you know which guy it is?

01:16:58.000 I can't remember the name.

01:17:00.000 He's one of the guys that trained with Gordon Ryan, man.

01:17:03.000 He's on that level.

01:17:04.000 Well, there's very high-level guys now.

01:17:06.000 I mean, it's just...

01:17:07.000 But it's also iron sharpens iron, you know?

01:17:11.000 These guys are so good now, and everybody's competing with guys that are so good.

01:17:14.000 Like, you go to Abu Dhabi, and you watch the level.

01:17:17.000 It's just so amazing.

01:17:18.000 They've been doing it since little kids, too.

01:17:20.000 Yeah.

01:17:21.000 People in the beginning thought, well, the graces are good because they keep it secret.

01:17:26.000 No, no.

01:17:27.000 We just stick to it.

01:17:28.000 We just start as a young age, and we grew up on this.

01:17:32.000 Mm-hmm.

01:17:33.000 Well, this is the thing that Gordon always says.

01:17:35.000 He says, my jiu-jitsu is 10 years advanced of everybody.

01:17:39.000 So I can show you everything I'm doing.

01:17:41.000 It doesn't matter.

01:17:41.000 You're not going to catch me.

01:17:42.000 Because I'm in the gym 365 days a year.

01:17:46.000 Discipline.

01:17:47.000 Discipline.

01:17:48.000 It boils down to discipline.

01:17:50.000 What he eats.

01:17:51.000 Yep.

01:17:53.000 John Donaher talks about kaizen.

01:17:55.000 Kaizen is this Japanese phrase for doing something over and over and over again, just constantly focusing on this one thing and continuing to perfect it over and over and over and over again.

01:18:09.000 That's what they do.

01:18:10.000 And their thought is, if you work out five days a week, but I work out seven days a week, In a month, I've worked out four times more than you.

01:18:19.000 In a year, you add that times 52, 52 weeks.

01:18:23.000 You keep going over and over and over again.

01:18:25.000 After 10 years, I have, you know, extra years of training on you.

01:18:30.000 And when you think about it that way, it's really the way to do it.

01:18:35.000 If you want to really be the best of the best, and you know there's a guy like Gordon out there that is training 365 days a year, Like, you kind of have to.

01:18:43.000 And we go back to Dagestans.

01:18:46.000 Same thing.

01:18:47.000 There's no Sundays for them.

01:18:49.000 Yeah.

01:18:49.000 There's no, today's my birthday.

01:18:51.000 Today's, it's holiday.

01:18:53.000 No, there's no holidays for them.

01:18:55.000 No.

01:18:56.000 It's just discipline.

01:18:57.000 If you're not getting better, you're getting worse.

01:18:59.000 So you gotta have discipline.

01:19:01.000 That's what I tell everybody.

01:19:02.000 You gotta have discipline.

01:19:03.000 You can be the most talented person.

01:19:05.000 Without discipline, you're not gonna stay on top forever.

01:19:08.000 Yeah, you know, Mike Tyson said that.

01:19:10.000 He said, discipline, without discipline you're nothing.

01:19:13.000 And he said, and discipline is doing things that you hate to do but doing them like you love it.

01:19:19.000 Yep.

01:19:20.000 Yeah.

01:19:20.000 I just love it to do anyways.

01:19:23.000 I mean, that's the thing about jujitsu too.

01:19:25.000 It's so fun.

01:19:27.000 It's so much fun to do.

01:19:29.000 Even when you're losing, it's fun.

01:19:30.000 I love a challenge, man.

01:19:32.000 Let's go for a swim across Tampa Bay.

01:19:34.000 Okay, fine.

01:19:36.000 Let's run 41 miles, climb cactus to clouds.

01:19:42.000 Okay, no problem.

01:19:43.000 Speaking of challenges, you recently got into bow hunting.

01:19:46.000 How did that start?

01:19:47.000 How did you get into that?

01:19:48.000 I know you met John Dudley.

01:19:50.000 And I know you did John Dudley's podcast because I listened to you with John Dudley.

01:19:54.000 And John Dudley taught me.

01:19:55.000 So he's an amazing coach.

01:19:57.000 Amazing archery coach.

01:19:58.000 When I first met him, he came up to me.

01:20:00.000 I was shooting at the Black Rifle Coffee.

01:20:04.000 And the challenge, I didn't know what I was doing.

01:20:08.000 He came up to me and was like, hey, come see me.

01:20:11.000 I'll make your ball.

01:20:12.000 And I was like, what the fuck is this guy, man?

01:20:15.000 He's like, I don't know him.

01:20:16.000 I was like, who is this?

01:20:17.000 I was looking around.

01:20:18.000 I asked around there like, he's the hoist grace of bow hunting.

01:20:23.000 Yeah, he's the fucking man.

01:20:24.000 So I went and spent some time with him.

01:20:26.000 Show me some stuff.

01:20:28.000 Maybe build me a bow.

01:20:30.000 Not like yours.

01:20:32.000 Yours is how many pounds to pull?

01:20:34.000 I have a 90-pound bow.

01:20:35.000 90 pounds?

01:20:36.000 I cannot even carry that thing.

01:20:38.000 Well, it's not 90 pounds to weight.

01:20:40.000 It's the pulling is 90 pounds.

01:20:42.000 I cannot pull.

01:20:42.000 I cannot even carry that bow.

01:20:44.000 Mine is like 60. 60 is good enough.

01:20:48.000 But if you can pull 90, it's better.

01:20:50.000 Yeah.

01:20:51.000 No, I don't have the...

01:20:53.000 Well, the way I felt, people say that there's controversy in the bow hunting community.

01:21:00.000 Where they said, you don't need 90 pounds.

01:21:02.000 70 pounds is all you ever need.

01:21:04.000 And I'm like, okay.

01:21:05.000 But 70 pounds for you is not 70 pounds for me.

01:21:09.000 70 pounds for me is easy.

01:21:11.000 90 pounds for me is not hard.

01:21:12.000 So 90 pounds for you is almost impossible, but 90 pounds for me is pretty easy.

01:21:18.000 There's a video of me pulling my 95-pound bow back.

01:21:20.000 I just fucking pull it back because I lift a lot of weights.

01:21:23.000 So if you lift a lot of weights and you have all this muscle, why not use it?

01:21:26.000 Yep.

01:21:27.000 I agree.

01:21:28.000 That's a lot more power.

01:21:29.000 I was shooting with the 95-pound bow, I was shooting a 520 grain arrow at 301 feet per second.

01:21:37.000 When that thing fucking hits, man, that is going through everything.

01:21:41.000 The amount of penetration you get with a bow like that is insane.

01:21:46.000 And that kind of power, that's better.

01:21:48.000 Because if you hit bone going in, you're going to go through the bone.

01:21:53.000 It's going to go through everything.

01:21:54.000 You're not going to worry about penetration.

01:21:56.000 You're not going to worry about lethality.

01:21:57.000 It's going to be very lethal.

01:21:59.000 So you wouldn't use a 20-pound bow.

01:22:01.000 I wish I had those muscles so I can pull a 90-pound.

01:22:04.000 I wish.

01:22:04.000 Start lifting weights.

01:22:05.000 Let's go.

01:22:07.000 Start lifting weights.

01:22:08.000 I do a lot of rows, a lot of chin-ups.

01:22:10.000 But if you could do that, and it's not hard, I always say pull the thing back that you could shoot.

01:22:16.000 I have an 80-pound bow that I practice with, and I'll shoot that bow for three hours.

01:22:22.000 I'll be out in my yard for three hours just shooting hundreds of arrows.

01:22:26.000 Man, I love...

01:22:28.000 But it took forever.

01:22:29.000 I love guns, any kind of weapons, swords, bows.

01:22:34.000 You've gone to Taron Tactical too, right?

01:22:36.000 Yep.

01:22:36.000 Yeah, that's great, right?

01:22:37.000 Isn't that place great?

01:22:38.000 He's awesome.

01:22:39.000 He's awesome.

01:22:40.000 Taron's amazing.

01:22:41.000 Good teacher too.

01:22:42.000 Oh, amazing teacher.

01:22:43.000 He knows how to push you to...

01:22:45.000 Yeah.

01:22:46.000 Yeah.

01:22:48.000 Yeah, it's just, it's again, it's like learning from a real master, you know, and seeing like, when you see him shoot, you're like, Jesus Christ.

01:22:56.000 He's like, fast, super accurate, perfect technique, you know, and you see that, you go, oh, that's what it looks like when it's done right.

01:23:05.000 You know?

01:23:06.000 But we got into bow hunting, bow in general, not too long ago.

01:23:12.000 I'd say four or five years ago.

01:23:14.000 I started to play with it and then...

01:23:17.000 When did you think about hunting?

01:23:19.000 Oh, I've been hunting for a while.

01:23:21.000 I keep that quiet, yes.

01:23:23.000 You keep that quiet because of Brazil?

01:23:25.000 No.

01:23:26.000 Because Brazil has a very anti-hunting attitude as opposed to the United States.

01:23:31.000 Yeah, but it's not just Brazil and the Gracie family.

01:23:34.000 The Gracie family.

01:23:35.000 A lot of them don't like hunting and they give me a hard time.

01:23:39.000 You were telling us about your WhatsApp group chat.

01:23:43.000 Yeah.

01:23:43.000 They post a picture of somebody was eating some sushi and somebody post a picture in a Brazilian barbecue place and they all post about eating.

01:23:56.000 And I post a picture holding an elk.

01:24:00.000 There's no guns.

01:24:01.000 There's no blood.

01:24:02.000 Everybody give me a hard time, man.

01:24:04.000 Crazy hypocrites.

01:24:05.000 Give me a hard time.

01:24:06.000 I give them an hour.

01:24:08.000 And then I came back and I was like, that's a bunch of hypocrites.

01:24:10.000 You all eat meat.

01:24:11.000 Give me a hard time.

01:24:13.000 So, oh, but then they start to, oh, but you just kill for the fun.

01:24:18.000 No, I did not.

01:24:19.000 The meats are my house, the hides are my house, the heads are my house, and the leftovers, the cuts that we don't eat, the other animals went to eat.

01:24:30.000 So I had to educate a lot of them on that.

01:24:33.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:24:34.000 Most people are just uneducated about it, and they have this stereotype view of hunting as being this cruel thing that people do for fun.

01:24:44.000 No, I do it for the meat, because I want to eat.

01:24:47.000 It's the best meat in the world.

01:24:49.000 If I'm not going to eat, eh, I don't kill it.

01:24:51.000 I'm not going to shoot a cat.

01:24:53.000 Of course.

01:24:54.000 I don't eat cats.

01:24:54.000 Right, exactly.

01:24:56.000 Yeah, people have asked me to do some hunts where they don't eat the meat.

01:25:00.000 I'm like, sure.

01:25:01.000 Yeah.

01:25:02.000 There's helicopter hog hunts they do.

01:25:05.000 They fly around the helicopter.

01:25:06.000 They shoot wild pigs out of a helicopter.

01:25:08.000 I'm like, eh.

01:25:10.000 I know you have to do it.

01:25:12.000 You can go back and get it.

01:25:14.000 Well, you could, but I mean, how many of them are you going to get?

01:25:16.000 Like, one day they shot 250 of them.

01:25:18.000 No, I'm not that many.

01:25:20.000 You're not going to really butcher.

01:25:21.000 And some of them, they donate to Hunters for the Hungry, which is a great organization that feeds a lot of homeless shelters and stuff.

01:25:30.000 And they'll take that meat and bring it to a butcher shop and give it to hungry people.

01:25:34.000 And it's very good meat.

01:25:35.000 It's the best meat for you.

01:25:36.000 But when you're shooting out of a helicopter and shooting 250 pigs, you're not...

01:25:40.000 You're not going to go and take those pigs and bring them anywhere.

01:25:43.000 No, I have a friend of ours in Texas that take us out to have his helicopter, Ryan Ashcraft, and we shoot, but then we go back down, we collect.

01:25:54.000 We don't shoot like 250. Oh, okay.

01:25:56.000 A couple.

01:25:57.000 Four or five, you see?

01:25:58.000 Right.

01:25:58.000 We go back, get the best ones.

01:26:01.000 Yeah.

01:26:01.000 We cut it up and take the meat.

01:26:03.000 Oh, wild boar is delicious.

01:26:04.000 So good.

01:26:05.000 And sometimes we even give out to churches and they take care of, feed people.

01:26:13.000 That's great.

01:26:13.000 Yeah, that's great.

01:26:15.000 But wild game meat, man, it is the best meat in the world.

01:26:18.000 When I eat it, I just feel so much better.

01:26:19.000 It's not just the best, but the feeling of you went there.

01:26:24.000 You got that meat.

01:26:27.000 It's something that you brought home.

01:26:29.000 You went hunting.

01:26:32.000 And hunting, I tell people all the time, it's not catching.

01:26:38.000 I would say 70% of the time, I come back home with nothing.

01:26:44.000 So, it's not every time that I go out that I come back with something.

01:26:47.000 No, it's very difficult.

01:26:49.000 It's, I would say, for me, it's about 70% of the time, man, I come back home empty-handed.

01:26:54.000 Yeah.

01:26:55.000 But it's like, okay, I was there for a whole day, peace of mind, there's no cell phones, there's nothing, there's nobody bothering me.

01:27:03.000 It's difficult, you're in the woods, you're hiking.

01:27:06.000 Yeah.

01:27:06.000 You need endurance.

01:27:08.000 I mean, you need strong legs to get you around those mountains.

01:27:11.000 I mean, the first time I ever went hunting, I got that mule deer with my friend Steve Rinelli.

01:27:16.000 He took me hunting in Montana, and I was in really good shape.

01:27:19.000 And I was like, you know, I do jujitsu every day.

01:27:21.000 I'll be fine walking up these hills.

01:27:24.000 And I was like, whew, this is fucking hard.

01:27:27.000 Like, I didn't think of it as a physical thing, but mountain hunting is very physical.

01:27:32.000 Like, you have to be fit.

01:27:33.000 You have to be in shape.

01:27:37.000 I just got back from bear hunting in Idaho, and it's up and down the mountains.

01:27:43.000 Yeah.

01:27:43.000 Hot sun.

01:27:45.000 Yep.

01:27:45.000 Yeah, up and down the mountains.

01:27:48.000 Idaho, that is rugged terrain, too.

01:27:51.000 Very rugged.

01:27:52.000 Beautiful terrain, too.

01:27:54.000 Last year, my first elk that I got with a bull, shot the elk with a bull, 30-yard shot.

01:28:05.000 Got the elk loaded up, took it back to the house.

01:28:08.000 We're taking the skin off.

01:28:13.000 And taking the skin and the hide and taking the meat.

01:28:17.000 And I went to help the guys at 11 o'clock at night.

01:28:20.000 There's three of us.

01:28:21.000 I went to help my friend to cut because there's knives everywhere.

01:28:27.000 So as soon as I start to lift the hide, put my finger, my hand on the wrong spot, the guy cut my finger to the bone.

01:28:37.000 So it's like, okay.

01:28:39.000 He's like, did I cut you?

01:28:40.000 I was like, yup.

01:28:42.000 I feel the knife touching the bone.

01:28:46.000 Ouch.

01:28:50.000 So the other friend was like, hey, do you have a hospital nearby?

01:28:57.000 He's like, hospital is two hours away.

01:29:00.000 Got a veterinarian?

01:29:03.000 Veterinarian?

01:29:03.000 So he's like, no, it's 11 o'clock at night.

01:29:06.000 Everybody's asleep, man.

01:29:08.000 So he's like, do you have super glue?

01:29:12.000 He's like, no.

01:29:14.000 He's like, You got a stapler?

01:29:20.000 Oh, so you stapled it?

01:29:22.000 That's crazy.

01:29:25.000 Put four staples on my finger.

01:29:27.000 I was like, okay.

01:29:28.000 Wow.

01:29:29.000 That's crazy.

01:29:30.000 But it worked.

01:29:32.000 It worked.

01:29:33.000 Wow.

01:29:34.000 Day and a half later, I get home, and my son decides to take it off.

01:29:44.000 I have to take the staples off.

01:29:45.000 Look what he's using to take it off.

01:29:47.000 A pair of pliers.

01:29:49.000 From the garage, from the motorcycle, pick up the pliers.

01:29:52.000 I can't believe I still have my finger, man.

01:29:54.000 We didn't clean anything.

01:29:56.000 He just picked up the pliers and started to pull the staples out.

01:29:59.000 And how long after the injury was this, that he was doing this?

01:30:03.000 A day and a half later.

01:30:04.000 Oh, okay.

01:30:05.000 So it kind of healed up a little bit?

01:30:07.000 Because that was when I got back to Florida, yeah?

01:30:09.000 Yeah.

01:30:09.000 It's like, I was in Montana, I got back to Florida, my son's like, no, you're not going to the doctors, I can take this off.

01:30:16.000 Are you living in Florida now?

01:30:17.000 Yes.

01:30:18.000 Where do you live?

01:30:18.000 What part of Florida?

01:30:19.000 Cerro Sorda.

01:30:20.000 No kidding, when did you move there?

01:30:22.000 I moved there about, almost two years ago.

01:30:25.000 What made you decide to do that?

01:30:28.000 I can see myself getting arrested if I was in California.

01:30:31.000 Really?

01:30:32.000 Oh, California, people got so...

01:30:35.000 I love California.

01:30:35.000 Don't take me wrong.

01:30:36.000 I think California is the best state in the world.

01:30:40.000 And I travel eight months of the year.

01:30:43.000 I love California.

01:30:44.000 But the people over there, man, they just get on your face.

01:30:49.000 It's like this, like this.

01:30:50.000 It's my right to be here, okay?

01:30:52.000 What are you going to do about it?

01:30:54.000 It's like, dude, it's my right to knock your teeth out.

01:30:57.000 Okay.

01:30:57.000 Oh my God, he's violent.

01:30:59.000 Call the cops.

01:30:59.000 Arrest him.

01:31:01.000 People was like disrespectful.

01:31:04.000 Got to a point where it got disrespectful.

01:31:06.000 It got weird, right?

01:31:07.000 It's hard.

01:31:09.000 And I love, don't take me wrong.

01:31:11.000 I totally, I can't say enough how much I love California.

01:31:15.000 It's the only place where you could be in the ocean and then in the mountains in an hour.

01:31:20.000 And on the desert.

01:31:21.000 Yeah, in the desert.

01:31:22.000 You can surf, ski, and spend the night in the desert on the same day.

01:31:25.000 The climate is beautiful.

01:31:27.000 And a lot of great people there, too, but they've lost their fucking minds.

01:31:30.000 But the people that are there, man, it's like...

01:31:33.000 And so...

01:31:36.000 To me it's disrespectful.

01:31:40.000 Disrespectful and they've emboldened a lot of really stupid people to act like idiots.

01:31:47.000 The way they're dealing with the homeless situation is fucking insane.

01:31:54.000 You know, they've lost $24 billion that they can't account for.

01:32:00.000 Is that what the story is?

01:32:02.000 There was some controversy about $24 billion missing that's allocated towards the homeless crisis.

01:32:09.000 Yeah, so I was on a trip and I called my son.

01:32:13.000 I was like, dude, we've got to get out of here.

01:32:15.000 We've got to get out.

01:32:17.000 So all the kids are grown, so everybody's in a different location.

01:32:22.000 So how'd you pick Florida?

01:32:24.000 So here it is.

01:32:25.000 California spent $24 billion tackling homelessness over five years, but didn't track if the money was helping the state's growing number of unhoused people.

01:32:35.000 so they spent 24 billion dollars and they can't they can't figure out what the it did god it's ridiculous and it's not it's not getting better at all it's getting worse every time i go back there i'm like oh god it's worse and i only go back like once a year now i go back once a year i love it i hope it gets better i would love to move back but It's not going to get better.

01:33:01.000 It's not going to get better for a long time.

01:33:03.000 It's going to take generations.

01:33:05.000 I used to joke with people and say, I'm front line of resistance.

01:33:09.000 But he got to a point, it's like, nah, it's too out of control.

01:33:13.000 Well, it's also crazy things are happening.

01:33:15.000 Like, a guy got arrested because someone broke into his house and he shot the guy.

01:33:19.000 And they arrested him.

01:33:21.000 Like, okay, you can't even defend yourself in your own home?

01:33:24.000 Like, what is the fucking point?

01:33:26.000 What's the point of the Second Amendment?

01:33:27.000 What's the point of having a firearm?

01:33:29.000 Isn't it to protect your family?

01:33:30.000 Are we supposed to assume that someone was willing to break into your home violently, that that person's not going to harm you?

01:33:38.000 You got to call the police?

01:33:39.000 How long is the police going to take to get there?

01:33:41.000 What if you have a family?

01:33:42.000 What if you have children?

01:33:42.000 What if you have a wife?

01:33:44.000 You're supposed to just let this person break into your house?

01:33:46.000 You can't do anything about it.

01:33:47.000 It's insane because they're hiring the most insane district attorneys and they're making it easier and easier for people to get out of jail who've committed violent crimes.

01:33:56.000 I mean, they've lost their fucking minds.

01:33:59.000 And I don't know how it comes back, other than they have to get some hardcore Republican governor who starts cleaning things up and just cuts back on all the waste and cuts back on all the bullshit and just puts their foot down.

01:34:13.000 It's gonna take a long time, but I have hope.

01:34:15.000 But I have hope.

01:34:16.000 Well, that's beautiful.

01:34:18.000 I kinda have hope.

01:34:19.000 I got time.

01:34:19.000 I got plenty of time.

01:34:20.000 I'm not going anywhere.

01:34:21.000 I hope that you're right, but I don't have that much hope.

01:34:25.000 I just see that they're indoctrinated into this liberal ideology and they just believe that this is the only way to think and behave.

01:34:34.000 And until it bites them in the ass.

01:34:36.000 I've met a lot of people there That I knew that were really hardcore liberals who've now completely turned around.

01:34:44.000 And now they're Republican.

01:34:45.000 And now they've moved out.

01:34:47.000 They moved to Tennessee.

01:34:48.000 They moved to Florida.

01:34:49.000 They moved to Texas.

01:34:50.000 And like, no, no, no.

01:34:51.000 I see where this is going.

01:34:52.000 But then it's like, sometimes I keep thinking, what's the end game?

01:34:58.000 What's the goal for the people that are doing this?

01:35:03.000 Well, the real question is who's funding it?

01:35:06.000 More power?

01:35:07.000 It's not even necessarily more power.

01:35:09.000 More money?

01:35:10.000 Do you see?

01:35:11.000 It's like, what's the end?

01:35:12.000 What's the goal?

01:35:13.000 It's very confusing.

01:35:15.000 But I think, generally, there are people, genuinely, there are people that are funding this that want to see Western society collapse.

01:35:22.000 Like, my daughter was going to school in University of Vermont.

01:35:27.000 Beautiful over there.

01:35:29.000 But she already had it.

01:35:30.000 She's moving to Tampa now.

01:35:32.000 Really?

01:35:32.000 She's, like, to be closer to us.

01:35:35.000 It's, like, so...

01:35:37.000 People are doing all these protests against American army.

01:35:43.000 Yeah.

01:35:44.000 Against, it's like, she's like, we have a son, one of my sons is in the army.

01:35:50.000 And she's like, no.

01:35:52.000 So she put an army shirt, sweatshirt, and walk right through the protest.

01:35:57.000 And now the girls would come over and give her looks and she would just look at them and people would go, yeah, silence is violence.

01:36:08.000 Flip them the finger.

01:36:09.000 It's like, how about that for violence?

01:36:12.000 Silence is violence is one of the dumbest fucking things.

01:36:16.000 Silence is not violence.

01:36:17.000 Violence is violence.

01:36:18.000 If you say silence is violence, you've never seen violence.

01:36:21.000 Yeah.

01:36:22.000 Unless someone's being quiet while they're beating the fuck out of you.

01:36:29.000 Silence is just silence.

01:36:30.000 It's not violence.

01:36:32.000 Violence is violence, you fucking idiots.

01:36:33.000 It's like, my God.

01:36:35.000 So she had her over there.

01:36:36.000 She spent one year.

01:36:37.000 She's like, man, I can't put up with this anymore.

01:36:39.000 The teacher was talking Trash.

01:36:43.000 She's like, I didn't pay to hear the teacher.

01:36:47.000 And the political beliefs.

01:36:48.000 Yeah.

01:36:49.000 So she would get up and leave class.

01:36:53.000 She's like, I had it.

01:36:54.000 I'm done.

01:36:55.000 I'm moving.

01:36:56.000 I was like, all right, let's go.

01:36:57.000 It happens everywhere.

01:36:58.000 I mean, it even happens here.

01:37:00.000 There's certain teachers that just feel that they have this ability to enforce their political beliefs on kids.

01:37:07.000 And they'll be very angry at you.

01:37:08.000 One guy got kicked out of school here because he had a Make America Great Again hat on.

01:37:12.000 Whether or not you support Donald Trump, the sentiment behind making America great, everybody should be on board with that.

01:37:20.000 The idea that making America great in a hat is offensive to people.

01:37:26.000 It's like, what?

01:37:27.000 How?

01:37:28.000 Help me out!

01:37:30.000 You're not saying anything bad.

01:37:33.000 You're saying, make America great.

01:37:35.000 Wouldn't it be awesome if America was great?

01:37:37.000 Who disagrees with that?

01:37:39.000 How could you disagree with that?

01:37:41.000 Great means everybody does well.

01:37:43.000 Your family does well.

01:37:44.000 The streets are clean.

01:37:46.000 Everyone's safe.

01:37:47.000 There's less crime, less violence, more jobs.

01:37:50.000 That's great.

01:37:51.000 Why would you be against that?

01:37:52.000 How could you be against that?

01:37:54.000 And how could you think that that sentiment is offensive?

01:37:56.000 That's what's so twisted about the world that we're living in today.

01:37:59.000 And that's why sometimes I keep thinking again...

01:38:02.000 What's the end game?

01:38:03.000 What is in for whoever is behind all this?

01:38:07.000 Right.

01:38:08.000 More money?

01:38:09.000 More power?

01:38:10.000 More than what they have already?

01:38:12.000 I don't know.

01:38:13.000 To destroy society for what?

01:38:15.000 What's the purpose?

01:38:17.000 I don't know.

01:38:17.000 That's why I keep thinking.

01:38:20.000 I wish I knew.

01:38:21.000 I wish it made sense.

01:38:22.000 It doesn't make sense to me.

01:38:23.000 I think a lot of it is influenced by foreign governments.

01:38:26.000 I think foreign governments influence universities by supporting people with very ridiculous ideologies and then making sure that those people with ridiculous ideologies enforce those things in children.

01:38:39.000 And then you have social media, which social media is also propped up, especially TikTok, which is essentially owned by China, and they promote All these ridiculous things, and these things get into kids' heads, and they're on TikTok every day, and then they start thinking that this is the only way to think and behave.

01:38:57.000 But the way I... Sometimes it's like the way I think in the martial arts business.

01:39:08.000 If your school has 100 students or 1,000 students, it doesn't make a difference to me.

01:39:16.000 I prefer that you succeed and have a thousand students.

01:39:20.000 Yeah.

01:39:21.000 What would be the goal for me to make you have no students, you see?

01:39:25.000 It's like, I want you to go, because if you grow, I grow.

01:39:28.000 Right.

01:39:29.000 But then it's like on the world society and people trying to destroy one country, trying to destroy the other, for what?

01:39:42.000 Well, you're thinking logically.

01:39:44.000 To have more power to have...

01:39:45.000 It's also people are trapped in an ideology.

01:39:48.000 They're trapped in this woke mindset.

01:39:50.000 You can call it woke, whatever you want to call it.

01:39:52.000 But this ideology of what we're seeing with these young, ridiculous kids in universities today.

01:39:59.000 It's like they're trapped in this way of thinking.

01:40:01.000 And they don't think about the end game.

01:40:03.000 First of all, because they're very young.

01:40:05.000 And they don't know anything.

01:40:07.000 And they want to rebel against society, which all young people want to do.

01:40:11.000 They want to rebel against the people that are older.

01:40:13.000 And they want to think that they know better than the people that are older.

01:40:16.000 And then eventually they get older.

01:40:18.000 And as they get older, they start to realize, you know what I think the problem is?

01:40:20.000 People are fucking lazy.

01:40:22.000 You know what I think the problem is?

01:40:23.000 People don't have discipline.

01:40:24.000 You know what I think the problem is?

01:40:25.000 People don't plan for the future.

01:40:26.000 People don't work hard.

01:40:29.000 Everybody should have the opportunity to work hard and get better and move ahead and try to better your life and better the life of your family.

01:40:38.000 And if you think that way, You're gonna have a good society, but if you think that society is evil and it's all colonists and that we've got to destroy it and take it all down and capitalism is evil, okay, what are you gonna replace it with?

01:40:52.000 They didn't even thought this thing through.

01:40:54.000 What are you gonna replace it with?

01:40:55.000 Communism?

01:40:55.000 You ever been to a communist country?

01:40:57.000 It's fucking hell.

01:40:58.000 And you know what happens in a communist country?

01:41:00.000 You have to enforce it.

01:41:00.000 How do you enforce it?

01:41:01.000 With the military.

01:41:02.000 And if nobody's armed but the military, now you have a dictatorship.

01:41:05.000 Now you have a brutal military dictatorship that decides what you can and can't do.

01:41:10.000 That's what Cuba has.

01:41:12.000 Decides for you.

01:41:12.000 Yeah, that's what Venezuela has.

01:41:14.000 You have no say whatsoever.

01:41:15.000 No say.

01:41:16.000 That's what China has.

01:41:17.000 That's what North Korea has.

01:41:18.000 Like, good luck.

01:41:19.000 Good luck with that.

01:41:20.000 There's plenty of examples of that.

01:41:21.000 None of them are good.

01:41:22.000 There's no examples of communism working anywhere where it's for the betterment of everybody.

01:41:28.000 One thing that come into America from Brazil, it was...

01:41:35.000 Like in Brazil, they put you down a lot.

01:41:39.000 I remember when I won the UFC. There's a thousand guys that will do better than him.

01:41:46.000 This is nothing.

01:41:47.000 Everybody was like, it's not.

01:41:50.000 A lot of people were like, his accomplishment is not that big of a deal.

01:41:55.000 Different than America, they push you up.

01:41:58.000 Yeah.

01:41:59.000 You see?

01:41:59.000 They change their mentality now in Brazil.

01:42:01.000 Oh, really?

01:42:02.000 But back then, it used to be like this.

01:42:04.000 That's interesting that the mentality changed.

01:42:06.000 Why did the mentality change in Brazil?

01:42:08.000 Don't know.

01:42:09.000 But the change, I can see that now.

01:42:12.000 People trying to push you up now instead.

01:42:15.000 But back then, when I won, it was like, nah, it's no big deal.

01:42:19.000 These are guys that will do much better than him.

01:42:22.000 And they came over and they got beat up over here badly in the UFC. But that's one thing that attracted America.

01:42:29.000 Culture was like, they're trying to always push you up.

01:42:33.000 It seems like that changed now.

01:42:35.000 They're trying to push you down now.

01:42:37.000 In some places, in some circles.

01:42:39.000 Yeah.

01:42:39.000 But there's still quite a few people in America that still believe that.

01:42:42.000 Oh yeah.

01:42:44.000 I think that's more prevalent here than anywhere else in the world.

01:42:47.000 This attitude that we want people to succeed and we celebrate success.

01:42:51.000 But then this whole thing that's going on right now, it's almost like they want to crash.

01:42:58.000 It's like, why?

01:43:00.000 It's usually losers.

01:43:02.000 Losers who don't have anything going on and they want other people to be losers as well.

01:43:07.000 They don't want people to succeed.

01:43:09.000 And also they connect success with the worst examples of success.

01:43:14.000 Like, they connect the idea of financial success with people being oppressed.

01:43:19.000 Obviously, people being oppressed is terrible.

01:43:21.000 But all financial success is not oppression.

01:43:24.000 That's ridiculous.

01:43:24.000 Like, if you have a school.

01:43:26.000 Like, for example, if you have a jiu-jitsu gym.

01:43:28.000 If you have a jiu-jitsu academy and you have a thousand students.

01:43:31.000 There's nothing oppressive about that success.

01:43:34.000 That's all beneficial.

01:43:35.000 It's beneficial to your students.

01:43:37.000 It's beneficial to you.

01:43:38.000 Because if you have a thousand people, then you have a place that's run well.

01:43:42.000 And you have...

01:43:44.000 You have staff.

01:43:45.000 You have people that are employed there.

01:43:46.000 And also, you have plenty of classes.

01:43:48.000 So I can get a class at 6.30 in the morning before I go to work.

01:43:52.000 6.30 a.m.

01:43:53.000 class.

01:43:53.000 I'm done by 8.00.

01:43:55.000 I shower up.

01:43:55.000 I'm in the office at 9.00.

01:43:57.000 I feel good.

01:43:58.000 I got something done today.

01:43:59.000 And I'm getting better at jiu-jitsu.

01:44:01.000 Like, whew, this is amazing.

01:44:03.000 And then you have classes all day long, and everybody's getting better, and the level is high, because there's guys that are good in the gym, so you get excited, and you're thinking about your game, and you're thinking about constantly improving.

01:44:13.000 There's nothing oppressive.

01:44:15.000 And the person who runs that gym, they're making a good living, and they feed their family, and they have a nice house.

01:44:20.000 There's nothing oppressive.

01:44:21.000 And employing other people.

01:44:22.000 Yes!

01:44:22.000 There's nothing oppressive about that success.

01:44:25.000 We're not talking about the success of like the military industrial complex or like, you know, the oil companies polluting the ocean.

01:44:31.000 No, you're talking about there's a lot of people that work hard and their success is not even remotely oppressive.

01:44:37.000 So when people connect all capitalism to degradation of the environment and controlling of people and oppressing people, that's ridiculous.

01:44:48.000 That's just a foolhardy way of looking at the world.

01:44:52.000 Yeah.

01:44:55.000 Like I said, if your school have no students or a thousand students, I don't make any more money.

01:45:04.000 Right.

01:45:04.000 But I want you to have a thousand students.

01:45:07.000 It's like, because if you have a thousand students, if I come to teach...

01:45:13.000 If you don't have any students, I'm not going to come over.

01:45:16.000 Exactly.

01:45:17.000 But I want you to succeed.

01:45:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:45:19.000 So I want to fill up your school.

01:45:21.000 Are you primarily doing, do you do like seminars now?

01:45:25.000 Seminars, but I'm building a school in Sarasota.

01:45:27.000 Oh, nice.

01:45:28.000 Yeah.

01:45:28.000 Nice.

01:45:29.000 I haven't had a school.

01:45:30.000 I used to teach with Horton.

01:45:32.000 Until 2000, then I stopped teaching at the school, at the Academy, at the Gracie Academy, and just went to do seminars.

01:45:39.000 But now I'm building a school for my son and I. Oh, wow.

01:45:42.000 That's great.

01:45:44.000 I love to travel, to see the world.

01:45:48.000 But I'm going to build a place.

01:45:50.000 We've got to place a location already.

01:45:52.000 Just waiting for permits.

01:45:54.000 Oh, that's great.

01:45:55.000 Be my first headquarters.

01:45:57.000 That's great.

01:45:58.000 That's going to be awesome.

01:45:59.000 Boy, that's going to be successful.

01:46:00.000 And the location is awesome.

01:46:02.000 Boy, a Hoist Gracie School in Florida, poof, that's gonna be big.

01:46:06.000 Right away.

01:46:07.000 I mean, every first day, you'll be full.

01:46:09.000 Yep.

01:46:09.000 We got a lot of students already just on the standby.

01:46:13.000 Ready to go.

01:46:14.000 Waiting for us, yes.

01:46:15.000 How long do you think before you're open?

01:46:17.000 About a good eight months.

01:46:19.000 Nice.

01:46:19.000 We're just waiting for the final permits.

01:46:21.000 And then you start building.

01:46:22.000 We're going to tear down the building and then build up.

01:46:24.000 The build up is fast.

01:46:26.000 It's just a permit that takes forever in Florida.

01:46:29.000 Yeah, it takes forever in a lot of places.

01:46:31.000 And how big is this place going to be?

01:46:35.000 Big enough.

01:46:36.000 Big enough?

01:46:37.000 Very big, yes.

01:46:39.000 We're talking three floors.

01:46:41.000 Oh, wow.

01:46:42.000 So is it going to be different things in there?

01:46:45.000 Yeah.

01:46:46.000 What is the plan?

01:46:47.000 Do you want to give the full details?

01:46:49.000 Not yet.

01:46:50.000 Not yet?

01:46:51.000 Okay.

01:46:51.000 Well, you let me know.

01:46:53.000 Not yet.

01:46:53.000 Let me know when you're about to open.

01:46:54.000 We'll let everybody know.

01:46:55.000 The location is awesome.

01:46:57.000 That's great.

01:46:57.000 Five minutes from the beach.

01:46:59.000 Oh, that's beautiful.

01:47:00.000 That's exciting.

01:47:01.000 That's very exciting.

01:47:02.000 That must be really exciting.

01:47:03.000 I look forward to something like that.

01:47:04.000 Five minutes from the beach, too.

01:47:06.000 Beach in Florida, a lot of fucking sharks.

01:47:07.000 My son...

01:47:09.000 No?

01:47:11.000 Sharks on the East Coast, right?

01:47:15.000 Oh, are they?

01:47:15.000 I'm on the West Coast.

01:47:16.000 There's no sharks?

01:47:18.000 No, we're in the Gulf.

01:47:20.000 Aren't there sharks in the Gulf, too?

01:47:21.000 Sharks don't like Brazilians, man.

01:47:23.000 No?

01:47:24.000 Maybe they're sharks for you.

01:47:26.000 But Brazilians, they look at the Brazilians and go, nah.

01:47:29.000 They're like Italians, they don't like Brazilians?

01:47:31.000 That's hilarious.

01:47:32.000 I don't think they can tell the difference between us, buddy.

01:47:34.000 And they look at me like, hold on, there's too many bones on this one, man.

01:47:38.000 I'll choke on this one.

01:47:39.000 Let me get that meaty one over there with all the muscles.

01:47:42.000 Look at that.

01:47:43.000 That's a fucking shark.

01:47:45.000 That's Sarasota!

01:47:46.000 Jesus Christ, hoist!

01:47:47.000 That's a shark in Sarasota!

01:47:49.000 It's not a shark!

01:47:50.000 That's a pet!

01:47:51.000 Oh, my God!

01:47:52.000 Look, you came to eat on the boat, man!

01:47:53.000 You came to eat your fucking head!

01:47:55.000 We hand-feed those, man!

01:47:57.000 Look at that!

01:47:58.000 Jesus Christ!

01:47:59.000 We swim with those across Tampa Bay!

01:48:01.000 What is he doing?

01:48:01.000 What is that thing doing?

01:48:02.000 Just pulling up to someone's boat?

01:48:04.000 Oh my god, saying hi.

01:48:06.000 Those are pets.

01:48:09.000 Look, sharks.

01:48:10.000 Do you surf?

01:48:11.000 No, not like Hoyler, no.

01:48:14.000 Hoyler surfs a lot.

01:48:15.000 Is he in San Diego still?

01:48:16.000 Hoyler's in San Diego, yes.

01:48:17.000 Yeah, a lot of surfing down there.

01:48:19.000 He surfs a lot.

01:48:20.000 He goes to Bali every year, spends a month over there.

01:48:23.000 There's sharks down there, bro.

01:48:24.000 Yeah.

01:48:25.000 A lot of sharks down there.

01:48:26.000 San Diego.

01:48:27.000 Yeah.

01:48:28.000 There's sharks everywhere, man.

01:48:30.000 There was a group of people that were training for a triathlon and they were in the ocean doing a swim and one of them got killed by a great white.

01:48:35.000 And my friend went swimming there the next day.

01:48:38.000 Because he had to prepare for the swim that he was doing.

01:48:40.000 The shark was already stomach full, so...

01:48:43.000 I don't know if I get full that easy.

01:48:45.000 I think they keep eating.

01:48:49.000 And I don't think he probably told his friends.

01:48:51.000 Hey, I got a swimmer the other day.

01:48:53.000 A lot of swimmers over here.

01:48:54.000 A lot of swimmers over there.

01:48:56.000 Yeah.

01:48:56.000 That scares the shit out of me.

01:48:58.000 Sharks scare the shit out of me.

01:49:00.000 Oof.

01:49:01.000 Like, bears, to me, are not as scary as sharks.

01:49:05.000 If there's bears, you got a gun, you got bear spray, you know what you're doing, you're careful.

01:49:10.000 I think you probably, you know...

01:49:14.000 Hey, the bear's hunting you, too.

01:49:16.000 That's true.

01:49:17.000 You could.

01:49:18.000 Well, it depends on what kind of bear, too, right?

01:49:20.000 If you run into a polar bear.

01:49:21.000 And they move so quiet, man.

01:49:24.000 Yeah, I know, for such a big animal.

01:49:26.000 200 pounds, 250 pounds.

01:49:27.000 Yeah.

01:49:28.000 You don't hear them coming right behind you.

01:49:31.000 When you were bear hunting, were you using bow or rifle?

01:49:34.000 This one was rifle.

01:49:36.000 I haven't done a bear bow hunting yet, because that's a very close shot, man.

01:49:40.000 As far as I can go, it's like 30, 35 is pushing for me.

01:49:46.000 So I'm not as proficient on the bow yet.

01:49:50.000 Do you have a range in your yard where you can practice?

01:49:55.000 No, I don't.

01:49:56.000 Do you have a yard?

01:49:57.000 It's big?

01:49:57.000 How big is your yard?

01:49:58.000 It's not that big.

01:50:00.000 How far?

01:50:01.000 Gotta pull.

01:50:02.000 Like how much distance do you have that you could shoot in your yard?

01:50:06.000 10. Oh, 10 yards?

01:50:08.000 10, yeah, 20.

01:50:09.000 It's like, it's Florida where I am, the yard's open.

01:50:13.000 I see.

01:50:14.000 So the neighbors will be like, hey, hey, hey, don't point that boat to us.

01:50:19.000 I see if it's Florida.

01:50:20.000 It's like, yeah.

01:50:21.000 Is there an archery range near you?

01:50:25.000 No.

01:50:26.000 I haven't found one yet.

01:50:27.000 So where do you go to practice?

01:50:29.000 When I go, man.

01:50:31.000 Oh, only when you hunt?

01:50:32.000 Oh, that's crazy.

01:50:33.000 Yeah, that's why you can only shoot 30 yards.

01:50:35.000 I'll get there and I'll practice shooting for like two days a day, two days and practice and let's go.

01:50:43.000 I jump first and I figure it out later.

01:50:48.000 That would freak me out because I have to practice.

01:50:51.000 When I go hunting, say if I'm like five weeks out, I'm shooting hundreds of arrows every day.

01:50:57.000 For five weeks.

01:50:58.000 I want to make sure.

01:51:00.000 Because I've shot like...

01:51:01.000 It's kind of like the swim.

01:51:03.000 I swim about maybe 10 times and then swim across Tampa Bay.

01:51:07.000 But I want to feel confident.

01:51:09.000 Like if I have a 75-yard shot on an elk, I want to be confident that I can make that shot.

01:51:13.000 75?

01:51:14.000 Yeah, I've shot an elk at 75 yards.

01:51:16.000 Yeah.

01:51:17.000 I've shot an elk at 80 yards.

01:51:19.000 We saw some elk last year about 89 yards, but I was like, nah...

01:51:27.000 You finally came 30 yards.

01:51:29.000 If they're not moving, if you know they're feeding, and they're not moving, and there's no wind, and you know you practice at 100, and you know you can make it, but you have to be like...

01:51:38.000 You know what it's like?

01:51:39.000 It's like when...

01:51:40.000 I'm like a...

01:51:42.000 High-level purple belt, brown belt in bow hunting.

01:51:46.000 I'm not a black belt.

01:51:47.000 I'm a white belt.

01:51:48.000 Yeah.

01:51:49.000 Yeah, 30 yards is good for a white belt.

01:51:51.000 White belt with one stripe.

01:51:52.000 Yeah, I found the spot.

01:51:54.000 Sarasota Archers, look at this.

01:51:55.000 You can go too.

01:51:56.000 Look at that.

01:51:57.000 I don't know how good it is, but you could- Send me that address.

01:51:59.000 Private club, requiring membership.

01:52:01.000 Hey, Sarasota Archers, why don't you let in the goat?

01:52:05.000 Horace Gracie needs a place to practice.

01:52:07.000 That's nice.

01:52:08.000 I'm sure they will now.

01:52:09.000 Yeah, I'm sure they'll let you.

01:52:10.000 That'd be great.

01:52:11.000 There you go.

01:52:11.000 Now we got your spot.

01:52:13.000 So now you just go there.

01:52:14.000 You only need a few hours a day.

01:52:17.000 You just need that muscle memory.

01:52:19.000 You need that feel.

01:52:20.000 That feel of the relaxed shoulder.

01:52:23.000 Just no anticipation of the shot pulled through.

01:52:27.000 To me, I have to get that ingrained in my head, that technique.

01:52:31.000 It has to just be over and over and over again where it's ingrained in my head so that when I'm drawing on an animal, I know exactly what to do.

01:52:41.000 There's no questions.

01:52:44.000 Sometimes it's almost like shooting.

01:52:47.000 I shoot quite a bit.

01:52:50.000 Sometimes I've done some competition.

01:52:54.000 And I see the guys studying and looking at the target and shoot is ready and they're concentrating on the target.

01:53:00.000 When they say shoot is ready, I look away.

01:53:03.000 So, set, go.

01:53:05.000 I look up and shoot it.

01:53:07.000 Just pick it up and find it.

01:53:09.000 Yeah.

01:53:09.000 But don't you think that because you've fought so many times and because of all your years of jiu-jitsu and things like shooting and things that involve technique and concentration, they come naturally?

01:53:22.000 I think so.

01:53:23.000 Yeah, I think so too.

01:53:25.000 I think so.

01:53:26.000 It's like a...

01:53:27.000 I'm very patient.

01:53:31.000 I know how to control my breeding.

01:53:34.000 I don't get excited.

01:53:36.000 You see, like when I draw for the elk, it was a cow.

01:53:41.000 I draw.

01:53:43.000 It was the last day of hunting.

01:53:44.000 We were like four days hunting the elk, man.

01:53:49.000 I draw on the cow.

01:53:50.000 A ball showed up, so I just turned fire on the ball.

01:53:55.000 It was like, but I was going to shoot a cow.

01:53:58.000 I was like, I got to take some meat home.

01:53:59.000 It's been four days chasing.

01:54:01.000 Nothing came close.

01:54:02.000 And that cow came close 30 yards.

01:54:04.000 And as soon as the cow got in front of me, I draw.

01:54:09.000 In the bokeh move, I just turn.

01:54:11.000 Just perfect.

01:54:12.000 Shot, bam, done.

01:54:14.000 What kind of broadheads are you using?

01:54:16.000 Oh, that was the local guy at the farm where I was gave me the broadheads.

01:54:23.000 I can't remember.

01:54:24.000 Mechanical or is it a fixed broadhead?

01:54:26.000 It was mechanical.

01:54:27.000 Rage?

01:54:28.000 Was it a Rage?

01:54:29.000 It was the blade one.

01:54:30.000 Yeah, probably a Rage.

01:54:31.000 Yeah, I like those.

01:54:34.000 John Dudley has his own broadhead now.

01:54:36.000 He made like a better version of a Rage.

01:54:39.000 Like a more durable, sharper version of a Rage.

01:54:43.000 G5's making them.

01:54:44.000 It's called the T2. It's a new mechanical that he designed, that John designed, that they're just starting to release now.

01:54:51.000 I think they just started to sell them.

01:54:52.000 But he sent me some prototypes.

01:54:54.000 I like it a lot.

01:54:57.000 It's a great broadhead.

01:54:58.000 Yeah.

01:54:59.000 The guy that farmed where I was, he supplied, that was last year.

01:55:03.000 Where was that?

01:55:04.000 Montana.

01:55:05.000 Oh, nice.

01:55:07.000 Yeah, Great Falls.

01:55:10.000 Yes.

01:55:11.000 A lot of elk in Montana.

01:55:13.000 Montana is so beautiful.

01:55:15.000 And deer and got everything.

01:55:18.000 Isn't it just so amazing being out there too in the wild?

01:55:22.000 It's just so peaceful.

01:55:23.000 Even if I don't hunt, if I don't catch.

01:55:25.000 I tell the guys when they take me out, sometimes I feel the under pressure of catching something.

01:55:30.000 It's like, dude, if I don't catch anything, I'm happy just being here.

01:55:35.000 It's like awesome.

01:55:36.000 Just the pursuit.

01:55:37.000 And knowing that, you know, sometimes you're going to go home empty-handed.

01:55:40.000 It's difficult.

01:55:41.000 It's a very difficult thing to do.

01:55:42.000 That's what makes it good.

01:55:43.000 Like I said, 70% of the time, I come home with nothing.

01:55:46.000 Yeah.

01:55:47.000 But that's part of why it's fun, because it's hard to do.

01:55:51.000 And some people don't understand that.

01:55:52.000 They just want results.

01:55:53.000 But then when I eat, it's like, I got this.

01:55:57.000 Yeah.

01:55:58.000 I cooked some elk the other night, and as I was cooking it, I was thinking, like, yeah.

01:56:02.000 I remember where I was.

01:56:04.000 I remember where it was.

01:56:05.000 52 yards.

01:56:06.000 Shot down into a canyon.

01:56:08.000 Perfect shot.

01:56:09.000 I watched the elk go 30 yards, pile up.

01:56:12.000 I watched it die.

01:56:13.000 I went up, quartered it, carried it out.

01:56:16.000 We carried it over the mountain.

01:56:17.000 Got it into a 4x4.

01:56:20.000 Drove it back to the lodge.

01:56:21.000 Took it apart.

01:56:23.000 I remember everything about it.

01:56:25.000 So, like, being there, I have photos.

01:56:27.000 I have photos of the impact shot.

01:56:30.000 I have photos of the animal.

01:56:31.000 You know, it's like in my mind, this meal has a history.

01:56:35.000 And I taught all my kids.

01:56:37.000 I didn't teach.

01:56:39.000 I took them out and the local guys would teach them how to hunt from a young age.

01:56:43.000 All of them.

01:56:44.000 That's great.

01:56:45.000 How to skin a deer.

01:56:46.000 Yeah.

01:56:47.000 How to stab a hog with a knife.

01:56:49.000 Oh, geez.

01:56:50.000 That's heavy.

01:56:51.000 The stabbing the hog is wild.

01:56:54.000 That's good.

01:56:54.000 The hog hunting with dogs is...

01:56:56.000 With dogs and a knife.

01:56:57.000 The first time I took my daughter, I asked her, she was maybe 13, 12, 13. I asked her, hey, do you want to go?

01:57:06.000 She's like, no, Dad, I'm going to stay on the ATV. Okay.

01:57:10.000 So I'm over there, I'm stabbing the hog, and when I back off, I look, and she had her knife open behind me.

01:57:17.000 She's...

01:57:18.000 Waiting there, and I was like, oh, you decide to come?

01:57:21.000 She's like, nah.

01:57:22.000 In case the dog got you there, I would jump on him and stab him for you.

01:57:28.000 I was like, okay, you didn't want to do it, but you were backing me up.

01:57:31.000 You're my backup.

01:57:32.000 Nice.

01:57:33.000 That's nice.

01:57:35.000 Well, my boys, they all did it from a young age.

01:57:38.000 Everybody started 12, 13. It's a good thing to learn.

01:57:40.000 And it's also the best meat that you could ever eat.

01:57:44.000 The best meat.

01:57:45.000 The best meat in terms of like the healthiness of it, how good it tastes.

01:57:50.000 It's so good for you.

01:57:51.000 And shooting, teaching them from a young age, they all respect the gun.

01:57:57.000 They all respect the weapon.

01:58:01.000 Yeah.

01:58:01.000 I think everybody should know how to shoot a gun.

01:58:04.000 Worst case scenario, you should always know how to defend yourself.

01:58:07.000 You should always know how to operate a gun.

01:58:10.000 At least you should know gun safety.

01:58:12.000 You should understand.

01:58:12.000 Yes.

01:58:13.000 What the gun can do.

01:58:15.000 Yes.

01:58:15.000 So they all respect that.

01:58:18.000 Yeah.

01:58:18.000 They all know how to check, not to point.

01:58:20.000 And from a young age, they all learned that at home.

01:58:23.000 That's beautiful.

01:58:24.000 It's very important.

01:58:25.000 There's a lot of people that are scared of guns, and that's just because of ignorance.

01:58:29.000 They just don't understand.

01:58:32.000 I love my guns, man.

01:58:39.000 The laws in Brazil are very different, right?

01:58:41.000 You cannot buy guns very hard.

01:58:44.000 I think the max you can get is a.380 caliber.

01:58:49.000 So a hunting rifle.

01:58:50.000 No, no.

01:58:51.000 No hunting rifles.

01:58:52.000 Well,.380s...

01:58:54.000 .380s, the handgun.

01:58:55.000 Oh.

01:58:56.000 Oh, okay.

01:58:57.000 The.380s, the small...

01:58:58.000 Okay, small.

01:58:58.000 Right.

01:58:59.000 Smaller than a 9mm.

01:59:00.000 A 9mm is considered to be a military weapon.

01:59:04.000 Really?

01:59:05.000 Wow.

01:59:06.000 So you can buy 9mm,.45, nothing above that.

01:59:10.000 Wow.

01:59:11.000 Shotgun, if you own a farm, yes.

01:59:14.000 But no hunting rifles.

01:59:16.000 No, none of that.

01:59:18.000 No 223s and ARs.

01:59:21.000 That sucks.

01:59:22.000 Nope.

01:59:22.000 It's very hard, man.

01:59:24.000 Very hard.

01:59:25.000 It's almost impossible to buy.

01:59:27.000 But all the bad guys have it.

01:59:30.000 Yeah.

01:59:32.000 Great.

01:59:32.000 It's unbelievable.

01:59:34.000 Terrible.

01:59:34.000 They got RPGs, grenades, and...

01:59:38.000 Jesus Christ.

01:59:39.000 Yeah.

01:59:39.000 But you cannot buy guns in Brazil.

01:59:42.000 Very hard.

01:59:43.000 And take a long time, and the price is like...

01:59:46.000 Wow.

01:59:47.000 $500 gun over here in America over there will cost $2,000.

01:59:51.000 Wow.

01:59:53.000 So when you come to America and you have this ability to just buy guns because the Second Amendment is pretty nice.

02:00:00.000 Very nice.

02:00:01.000 Yeah.

02:00:01.000 Especially if you're in a place like Florida that really supports the Second Amendment.

02:00:06.000 Yeah, not in California.

02:00:07.000 California is nuts.

02:00:08.000 Well, in California they're starting to hand out concealed carry permits to people in Los Angeles again because the crime is so bad and they realize like...

02:00:16.000 But you can't...

02:00:17.000 But if you shoot somebody...

02:00:18.000 If you shoot somebody...

02:00:19.000 You're gonna go to jail.

02:00:20.000 Yeah.

02:00:21.000 Even though you're inside your house...

02:00:22.000 I know.

02:00:23.000 And they walk in and they have guns, you shoot them, it's your fault.

02:00:28.000 What's crazy is, if you shoot them, you'll go to jail.

02:00:31.000 But if they break into your house and they rob you and beat you up, they'll get right out.

02:00:34.000 If they get arrested, they'll put them right back out on the street.

02:00:38.000 It's insane.

02:00:39.000 It's almost like it's designed to destroy society.

02:00:42.000 Like, if you wanted to destroy society, that's how you would do it.

02:00:46.000 Yeah.

02:00:47.000 It's pretty fucked up.

02:00:48.000 And I keep telling people, if America falls, I think the whole world will fall.

02:00:54.000 The rest of the world will fall.

02:00:56.000 Yeah, maybe that's the plan.

02:00:58.000 Where would you go?

02:01:00.000 Right.

02:01:00.000 There's no place that has this kind of freedom.

02:01:02.000 Leave America.

02:01:03.000 Where would you go?

02:01:06.000 It's tough to pick a place.

02:01:09.000 I used to think Australia.

02:01:11.000 Then I saw how they handled the pandemic.

02:01:12.000 I was like, oh, fuck that.

02:01:14.000 Well, that's what happens when no one has guns.

02:01:16.000 Yep.

02:01:16.000 The army just rolls in and tells you what to do and puts you in concentration camps because you have a cold.

02:01:22.000 It's crazy.

02:01:22.000 Where would you go?

02:01:24.000 That's the question I ask my kids.

02:01:27.000 Let them think for a little bit.

02:01:29.000 It's where in America you're going to go.

02:01:33.000 Because outside, man, it's tough.

02:01:35.000 Yeah.

02:01:36.000 It's a tough world out there.

02:01:37.000 Yeah.

02:01:38.000 Well, a person like yourself that's been everywhere, you really kind of do understand that this is a special place.

02:01:44.000 We're very fortunate to be here.

02:01:47.000 That's why I defended that I'm pro-police.

02:01:55.000 Me too.

02:01:56.000 I defend the cops and the army.

02:02:01.000 Well, it's also from Jiu Jitsu.

02:02:03.000 We know a lot of police officers.

02:02:04.000 We know a lot of army people.

02:02:06.000 We know a lot of military people because they're always training.

02:02:08.000 Yes.

02:02:09.000 And traveling the way I travel, I'm not home to defend my family, so who's gonna defend them?

02:02:18.000 Right.

02:02:18.000 It's the police, so I'm in favor of them.

02:02:21.000 Yes.

02:02:22.000 So I try to help them out as much as I can.

02:02:25.000 Yeah.

02:02:25.000 Who's going to defend?

02:02:27.000 Is it going to be the police, the army?

02:02:29.000 They're going to defend if some crazy country decides to invade us.

02:02:33.000 It's not going to be the average Joe next door.

02:02:37.000 They're going to come over and...

02:02:39.000 No.

02:02:41.000 You got to be Joe Rogan to get his bow and be Rambo out there.

02:02:49.000 Shooting bows at nine yards, a hundred yards.

02:02:53.000 I'll be like, I'll wait until they get a little closer.

02:02:58.000 Or maybe that Sarasota Arches Club, you practice your long range shots.

02:03:03.000 They're too far.

02:03:03.000 I'll wait a little bit.

02:03:07.000 Well, listen, Hoist, you're a legend, and it was great running into you at the UFC. I'm so glad we got a chance to talk to each other, because I've been wanting to make contact with you, get you on the podcast for a long time.

02:03:17.000 I'm glad we finally did it, man.

02:03:18.000 And I appreciate you very much.

02:03:20.000 And when the school opens up in Florida, you've got to come over.

02:03:22.000 Fuck yeah.

02:03:23.000 I will come.

02:03:24.000 I will come.

02:03:24.000 You've got to choke me out.

02:03:26.000 Once.

02:03:28.000 Sounds good.

02:03:29.000 Thank you, brother.

02:03:29.000 I appreciate you very much.

02:03:30.000 Thank you.

02:03:31.000 Thanks for being here.

02:03:32.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 10, 2011

JRE MMA Show #156 with Royce Gracie

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