The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #157 with Craig Jones

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00:00:13.000 What's going on?

00:00:13.000 I like the one ear side.

00:00:15.000 Thank you, yeah.

00:00:15.000 That's professional.

00:00:16.000 A lot of guys do that.

00:00:17.000 Help my hearing, hey.

00:00:18.000 It's fading in my old age.

00:00:20.000 Do you have fucked up ears because of the cauliflower?

00:00:22.000 Does it fuck up your hearing?

00:00:23.000 Yeah, just one of them.

00:00:24.000 I thought it was cool until the inner ear started to swell and it was messing with my hearing.

00:00:29.000 Yeah.

00:00:30.000 I was like, that's not cool anymore.

00:00:31.000 Did you get it fixed?

00:00:32.000 I just face it at the women I'm talking to.

00:00:35.000 Did you get it fixed?

00:00:36.000 Oh, it eventually drained out, but it's as good as it's going to get, I think.

00:00:41.000 Yeah, I always wore ear guards.

00:00:43.000 I was always scared of the ears.

00:00:45.000 Because there's a design.

00:00:47.000 It helps capture sound and bring it into your ear.

00:00:50.000 I didn't know the AirPods were coming through a curveball and how cool this was.

00:00:54.000 Oh, right, because you can't stuff them in there?

00:00:56.000 I jam them in, but they pop back out.

00:00:58.000 Yeah.

00:00:59.000 You gotta wear it over the years.

00:01:00.000 So, let's talk about your tournament.

00:01:03.000 The tournament.

00:01:04.000 Alright.

00:01:05.000 Where did this come from, first of all?

00:01:07.000 Because you've competed at Abu Dhabi.

00:01:09.000 This is what I don't understand.

00:01:11.000 You're going to go head-to-head with ADCC, which is the biggest grappling organization in the world.

00:01:18.000 By the way, that's Gordon Ryan's belt up there.

00:01:20.000 If you want to look at it.

00:01:21.000 Gordon Ryan.

00:01:22.000 I might take that home with me.

00:01:23.000 How can I get the money to buy it?

00:01:27.000 Well, I mean, what started it?

00:01:28.000 Well, obviously you can't win a tournament.

00:01:30.000 You put your own tournament on that you can win.

00:01:33.000 And probably lose anyway.

00:01:36.000 I mean, really, it's for the growth of the sport.

00:01:38.000 We're getting some beef involved, some two-pack biggie, Drake Kendrick energy to this, but really to compensate the athletes well and to raise some money for charity along the way.

00:01:47.000 And who's funding this thing?

00:01:49.000 That's one of those things, you know?

00:01:50.000 Your girl takes a trip to the UAE. She comes back with a handbag.

00:01:53.000 You don't talk about it.

00:01:54.000 You don't have too many questions, you know?

00:01:55.000 You brought with you a million dollars in cash, which I've never seen before.

00:02:00.000 I've never seen a million dollars.

00:02:03.000 In one place.

00:02:04.000 I've never even seen a million dollar check.

00:02:05.000 Should we tip this out?

00:02:07.000 Yeah, I guess tip it out.

00:02:10.000 Make sure we don't spill any.

00:02:16.000 Ladies and gentlemen, that is one million dollars in cash.

00:02:21.000 That is so ridiculous.

00:02:26.000 Look at that.

00:02:27.000 That's so crazy.

00:02:30.000 Wow.

00:02:32.000 Whoever...

00:02:34.000 Is running this.

00:02:35.000 Really trust you.

00:02:36.000 They shouldn't.

00:02:36.000 Those are loose.

00:02:38.000 A lot of these are just kind of flying around.

00:02:41.000 Flopping around here, you know?

00:02:42.000 They have way too much faith in me.

00:02:44.000 Yeah!

00:02:45.000 A lot of faith in you.

00:02:46.000 I mean, this was to prove it.

00:02:47.000 I had the idea.

00:02:48.000 I was like, I'll bring a prop million dollars on Joe Rogan.

00:02:51.000 But people were...

00:02:51.000 I was thinking then, they already don't believe I have the money.

00:02:53.000 So if I pulled out a prop million and you were like, oh, that's fake money.

00:02:56.000 Then I'm like, oh, my tournament's fucked.

00:02:58.000 So we had to do some bad things for that.

00:03:04.000 So how does one even get a million dollars out of a bank?

00:03:07.000 That's got to be a pain in the ass, right?

00:03:09.000 Yeah, so my buddy that's helping me out with this basically called his bank.

00:03:12.000 He said, I need a million dollars on Thursday.

00:03:14.000 They said, yo, that takes two to three weeks.

00:03:16.000 And he's like, get me the million on Thursday or I'll find a bank that can.

00:03:19.000 And I mean, that put the energy in him to get it.

00:03:22.000 Here we are.

00:03:23.000 So what does this guy do that he has all this loot?

00:03:26.000 I really don't want to say.

00:03:27.000 I'm going to keep it all directed at me.

00:03:29.000 It's all above board legal, you know what I mean?

00:03:31.000 But we're sort of keeping it mysterious.

00:03:33.000 I want any negative energy towards the tournament coming my direction, not the anonymous sugar daddy in the background.

00:03:39.000 Okay, so you don't want to say like what the business is or does the business profit off of this at all?

00:03:46.000 Does this benefit the business to do this?

00:03:48.000 I mean we're running it as a non-profit so like obviously for people that want to support the sport of jiu-jitsu like we're going to donate basically all the ticket sales of this event towards different charities so we really want to do this as a non-profit because my thoughts were if jiu-jitsu doesn't make a profit we might as well make a non-profit Mmm, okay.

00:04:07.000 Well, does jujitsu make no profit?

00:04:10.000 Like, Abu Dhabi doesn't turn a profit, right?

00:04:13.000 It's done primarily because of the Sheikh's love of the sport.

00:04:17.000 Yeah, it's like a passion project, but I mean, sort of, my problem with the latest event is, like, we're selling so many tickets, and their event is in T-Mobile.

00:04:29.000 T-Mobile's super expensive.

00:04:30.000 As far as I know, I remember their event organizer posted the amount they paid for T-Mobile, and it was basically two of these.

00:04:39.000 Just to rent out the venue?

00:04:41.000 Just to rent out.

00:04:42.000 And you were at the Thomas& Mack?

00:04:44.000 Yeah, so the previous event, they were at Thomas& Mack, so I just thought, hey, I might as well check how much Thomas& Mack cost.

00:04:51.000 And it was a lot cheaper.

00:04:52.000 So in my opinion, we're really doing this because the prize money's been the same for so long.

00:04:57.000 A lot of events don't pay a lot of money, but obviously ADCC's the biggest.

00:05:00.000 Right.

00:05:01.000 And this sells a lot of ticket sales, but really, they made a lateral move in the venue that didn't really grow much in the way of seeding, and none of that money really went...

00:05:13.000 I think we'll have about 11,000 seats for this one.

00:05:15.000 And T-Bumble's what, 18?

00:05:17.000 I think 18, yeah.

00:05:19.000 So not massive difference.

00:05:21.000 And really, ADCC prize money stayed the same.

00:05:24.000 So their prize money, you have to win four matches to get 10k.

00:05:27.000 Not that I'd know, because I could never fucking win it.

00:05:29.000 But we're going to do two divisions and pay 100 times that amount of money to the division winners.

00:05:34.000 So 10k is the winner of ADCC? And we're going to pay $10,001 to show up to our tournament.

00:05:40.000 $10,001?

00:05:41.000 Throw an extra dollar.

00:05:43.000 That's for me personally.

00:05:44.000 So anybody who competes gets $10,000?

00:05:46.000 Really?

00:05:47.000 So even if you just get smoked?

00:05:49.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking of the other guys like me in these tournaments that don't make the final, compensate everyone, you know?

00:05:55.000 Well, that is nice, but ADCC has never made money, right?

00:05:59.000 So for them, raising the money would just be losing more money.

00:06:03.000 Yeah, but if you could sell 11,000 seats, if you could sell streaming rights to an event, I feel like some of that should go back towards the athletes rather than just spending it all on production.

00:06:17.000 A lot of people talk about the cost of production and it's important to grow a sport, but I really feel like at least the athlete compensation should go up a little bit.

00:06:26.000 In terms of ticket sales, some of that should go back towards the athletes.

00:06:29.000 Even if the ADCC is not making any money at all?

00:06:32.000 But in terms of, they do make money, but it's where they spend it.

00:06:36.000 They choose to spend it on production rather than the athletes.

00:06:39.000 Right, but it's not profitable in terms of the organization itself.

00:06:45.000 It's not really profitable, I don't believe.

00:06:47.000 Well, I would imagine if they chose Thomas& Mack with the streaming rights and the cost of the venue that they've spent on T-Mobile, for sure they would have made a profit off this event.

00:06:59.000 You could curtail production costs down.

00:07:01.000 It's not going to be that crazy if you choose the right venue.

00:07:03.000 My opinion is Grappling's amazing, but I don't think we're ready for T-Mobile.

00:07:07.000 That's a massive, expensive venue.

00:07:10.000 Right.

00:07:11.000 Well, the Thomas and Mac was very impressive last year.

00:07:15.000 It was very impressive, the whole overall production and just the scope of it and the amount of fans that came out to watch ADCC. It was pretty impressive.

00:07:25.000 It's crazy, yeah.

00:07:26.000 It's crazy.

00:07:26.000 I've never competed in front of that many people before.

00:07:29.000 It was awesome.

00:07:30.000 It was an awesome spectacle.

00:07:30.000 That was basically my opinion.

00:07:32.000 It's like, why are we making a lateral move, in my opinion, when we could still keep the same venue?

00:07:38.000 So what was the idea about going head-to-head with ADCC? If you want to grow the sport, wouldn't it be better to do it in an alternative weekend?

00:07:46.000 That way the people that compete at ADCC can also compete at your event?

00:07:51.000 Well, we kind of...

00:07:52.000 I mean, yeah, obviously athletes can't do both, but in terms of for the fans, the fans will be able to go to our event Friday, Saturday, still see ADCC finals on Sunday.

00:08:01.000 But in terms of doing it at the same weekend, we're really trying to make a stand that the athletes can unify in this sense and we can get compensated better.

00:08:10.000 Because again, none of the athletes care where we compete.

00:08:13.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:15.000 As the sport grows, grappling's growing.

00:08:17.000 Obviously, thanks to people like you, you've blown it up.

00:08:20.000 Whenever you shout us out, our followers go up.

00:08:23.000 The events are getting more eyes on it.

00:08:26.000 More ticket sales.

00:08:28.000 We should get at least...

00:08:30.000 Some token gesture of a payment increase.

00:08:33.000 Well, I think the best case scenario out of this is that ADCC does ramp it up and that the sport does get more eyeballs because people are aware of this huge increase in pay.

00:08:44.000 I always feel that competition is good.

00:08:46.000 I just don't necessarily like the idea of going head-to-head because I feel like It just kind of messes with the athletes because, you know, it puts them in a situation where they have to choose, first of all, between ADCC and the Craig Jones Invitational.

00:09:01.000 And if they do that, ADCC's going to probably hold a grudge.

00:09:05.000 I mean, hopefully not.

00:09:07.000 Well, hopefully they won't.

00:09:09.000 But likely they will.

00:09:11.000 I mean, doesn't it make sense that they would?

00:09:13.000 I mean, if you're kind of crippling their organization by taking the elite guys and...

00:09:17.000 Offering them potential.

00:09:18.000 How many people are going to jump ship?

00:09:21.000 Do you know?

00:09:22.000 Who have we got confirmed already?

00:09:24.000 We've got Fionn Davies, past champion.

00:09:26.000 The Tackett brothers were the first two.

00:09:28.000 We've got Nicky Ryan.

00:09:29.000 I'm going to announce today Nicky Rod's jumping across.

00:09:32.000 We've got Luke Rockhold in there.

00:09:34.000 We threw him in because he's honestly pretty impressive.

00:09:37.000 He tapped me out in the gym.

00:09:38.000 I was like, fuck it, we'll throw him in.

00:09:40.000 In terms of the under, we've got Joseph Chen.

00:09:42.000 A lot of people are going to make the move.

00:09:44.000 What's interesting to me...

00:09:46.000 I can't say any names in particular, but a lot of the old legends obviously want to be a part of this event.

00:09:51.000 I think they believe.

00:09:52.000 They want to support the cause.

00:09:53.000 You say make the athletes make a choice.

00:09:57.000 Really, they should be able to make the choice if there's an event with such a huge amount of prize money on display.

00:10:02.000 The argument is prestige versus prize money.

00:10:05.000 My argument is if the prize money is there, that becomes the most prestigious event.

00:10:08.000 Yeah, it does ramp up the prestige, but will this happen again?

00:10:13.000 Is this a one-time thing, or are you guys planning on doing multiple ones of these?

00:10:16.000 Yeah, we want to do it.

00:10:17.000 We're doing ADCC every two years, so most of the time guys have to wait every two.

00:10:21.000 We want to do it every year.

00:10:22.000 Well, that would be good.

00:10:24.000 Then there would be a year where it's not in competition.

00:10:26.000 We don't want to just...

00:10:27.000 Kill another organization and then I just disappear off into the sunset, maybe sneak a couple million, but we want to do it every year for sure.

00:10:34.000 The goal is really to raise money for charities and do some film projects around the world using jiu-jitsu, really helping out some underprivileged kids and stuff.

00:10:41.000 Well, the whole idea of using it for charity is beautiful.

00:10:44.000 That's amazing.

00:10:45.000 But is this guy willing to fork up this kind of...

00:10:48.000 Does he have a commitment to do this more than once?

00:10:50.000 I mean, basically he says, hey, we do a good job of this one.

00:10:53.000 You can do it every year.

00:10:54.000 He's super invested in sport of jiu-jitsu.

00:10:56.000 Loves it.

00:10:57.000 And this guy's just throwing loot away.

00:10:59.000 Throwing a lot of loot away.

00:11:00.000 Thank God.

00:11:01.000 Thank God.

00:11:02.000 That's a crazy thing to commit to, though.

00:11:04.000 I mean, no matter how rich you are.

00:11:06.000 I mean, because if you're giving away $3 million in prize money, is that what it is?

00:11:10.000 Yeah, so...

00:11:11.000 So how does it go all together?

00:11:13.000 We basically got a budget of $3 million.

00:11:14.000 And we decided to give $2.3 million of that to the athletes.

00:11:18.000 And the rest we're going to spend on production.

00:11:19.000 Obviously, we're going to have sponsors come in.

00:11:21.000 We're going to work with particular sponsors.

00:11:22.000 But we're going to, again, the ticket sales.

00:11:24.000 That's going to charity.

00:11:25.000 And we're really allowing some of the athletes to choose.

00:11:27.000 If we have an influential grappler and stuff, we're not really trying to leverage the money we have.

00:11:32.000 We're saying, hey, if we get you on board, we're happy to donate a percentage of the ticket sales to a charity of your choice.

00:11:38.000 So we give them a bit of freedom in who they want to help.

00:11:40.000 Well, that's nice.

00:11:41.000 And if this does go well, when you say go well, what are the guidelines?

00:11:49.000 What are you trying to achieve in terms of going well to do this again?

00:11:53.000 I mean, based on the investment and how much money we can raise for charity is really the goal there.

00:11:56.000 Like, if we can sell out Thomas and Mac and we can demonstrate that we can do this in a cost-effective way, we can bring in more sponsors, definitely going to keep doing this every year.

00:12:07.000 Well, like I said, I think competition is always great.

00:12:10.000 And I think just more eyeballs and more people paying attention to it is great for the sport.

00:12:15.000 Obviously, I love Jiu-Jitsu.

00:12:16.000 And I think, you know, the athletes getting paid a million dollars to win first place is fantastic.

00:12:23.000 Because, you know, we both know that most athletes don't make much money off of actual competition.

00:12:28.000 The money that they do make, they usually make in seminars.

00:12:31.000 Only fans.

00:12:32.000 Yeah, that's you.

00:12:34.000 Yeah, that's a lot of underwear I had to sell, you know?

00:12:37.000 Only fans and what else?

00:12:39.000 I guess DVDs.

00:12:41.000 Yeah, I mean, that's the number one revenue source for athletes would be instructionals.

00:12:46.000 But like, again, that's like, you can win the biggest tournaments in the world.

00:12:49.000 It doesn't necessarily translate to seminars, doesn't translate to...

00:12:54.000 That's the sad thing.

00:12:55.000 It's like you hold certain events so high that you're like, when I win that, I'm going to make it.

00:13:00.000 But then there'll be some arsehole like me that never won but outsells you.

00:13:04.000 You know what I mean?

00:13:05.000 Your life's not set if you win one of these events, but if you win a million as a grappler, you're pretty well set up, especially if you're a grappler from a poorer country.

00:13:12.000 A million US and Brazil is going to go a long, long way.

00:13:15.000 And also, it's just going to elevate the whole profile of the sport, just people knowing that a million dollars is going towards the first place grapplers.

00:13:24.000 Has UFC Fight Pass had a positive impact?

00:13:27.000 Has that helped at all?

00:13:28.000 For sure.

00:13:29.000 I mean, obviously, it helps so much.

00:13:31.000 My dream is always taking on MMA guys.

00:13:33.000 They've got the clout.

00:13:34.000 They've got the big names.

00:13:35.000 So, obviously, UFC Fight Pass helped that happen.

00:13:37.000 But, I mean, Techi's put a lot of work into the Fight Pass events, and those are very, very popular.

00:13:42.000 I think...

00:13:42.000 That would be the pinnacle of sort of professional super fight events.

00:13:46.000 And what is like, like if you fight in UFC Fight Pass, like what is a big payday at UFC Fight Pass?

00:13:53.000 I know some of the athletes might get, I don't know how I should say it, it's actually a very kill me, but I mean it's broad, like it could go from 10 to 6 figures really.

00:14:03.000 And again, I mean that's the thing, when you compete for an event like a tournament, you might face 4 guys.

00:14:09.000 Like for me personally, I might face 4 guys that I could have made Much more money facing off in a superfight setting.

00:14:15.000 So really, in terms of the investment, the commitment, the training, the time to prepare for potentially four opponents to win something like $10,000, when if I just had four superfights, it would make so much more money.

00:14:28.000 Obviously, I wouldn't get the medal.

00:14:29.000 And the amount of money that you're going to spend in camp anyway, just with nutrition, supplements...

00:14:35.000 Steroids, the damage you do to your body.

00:14:37.000 I'm serious.

00:14:37.000 All the jazz.

00:14:38.000 Everything.

00:14:39.000 Everything.

00:14:39.000 You're spending $10,000 anyway.

00:14:41.000 Your blood pressure goes up.

00:14:43.000 Your liver values go up.

00:14:45.000 You redline it for a thing like ADCC. Well, that is the craziest thing about the sport, is that steroids are openly tolerated.

00:14:51.000 It's probably the only elite professional sport where, particularly because of Gordon, because Gordon's been so open about steroids, that everyone knows that the athletes are on juice.

00:15:04.000 Well, I'm sponsored by a local company called Evertime.

00:15:06.000 This is the sad thing.

00:15:07.000 I tell people, hey, I'm on TRT, and I'm sponsored by them, and no one believes me.

00:15:12.000 They're like, you look so out of shape, there's no way.

00:15:14.000 He's just joking.

00:15:15.000 And I'm like, no, believe me, I'm taking steroids.

00:15:17.000 Do you lift weights?

00:15:18.000 I mean, sometimes, yeah.

00:15:20.000 Sometimes?

00:15:21.000 Every now and then?

00:15:22.000 Yeah.

00:15:22.000 Honestly, I'm the worst example of athlete ever.

00:15:24.000 I don't stretch, don't do any recovery, I don't sleep properly.

00:15:26.000 You don't stretch at all?

00:15:27.000 No.

00:15:27.000 I just go easy the first round.

00:15:29.000 I feel like them pushing on my legs.

00:15:31.000 I'm like...

00:15:32.000 Hip mobility.

00:15:33.000 I think if you get a bad injury, that's a sign.

00:15:35.000 Maybe it's time to hang it up, you know?

00:15:36.000 So when you train, all you do is just jiu-jitsu?

00:15:40.000 You don't like...

00:15:41.000 I do a little bit of lifting, but man, fucking...

00:15:43.000 I don't even track anything.

00:15:44.000 I'll just be like, oh, that seems like enough lifting for today.

00:15:47.000 Really?

00:15:47.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:15:48.000 Do you ever wonder, like, if you did, like, hire, like, a serious, like, strength and conditioning coach and really get after it, it would make a difference in your performance?

00:15:59.000 Maybe, but I mean, if there's a million dollars on the line, maybe.

00:16:03.000 But it's your whole life.

00:16:05.000 I mean, you're a professional jiu-jitsu guy.

00:16:08.000 I mean, I love the technique and the strategy aspect of it.

00:16:10.000 Sometimes when I've lifted or taken more steroids than usual, it's like I'm starting to overly rely on my strength.

00:16:17.000 What I love about jiu-jitsu is laying traps, tricking people, making people feel silly.

00:16:21.000 That's the part I like.

00:16:23.000 Rather than just, I want to look jacked just for me, not for a match.

00:16:27.000 But don't you think even with the laying traps and just overall your ability to move would be enhanced?

00:16:34.000 It's true, but if I look too, Jack, and I want to buy the instructions, I'd be like, I can't fucking do what that guy does.

00:16:39.000 I've got to look like a weathered old man out there.

00:16:43.000 Wow.

00:16:44.000 That's a crazy approach.

00:16:46.000 We got another announcement here today.

00:16:48.000 The biggest superfight in grappling history.

00:16:51.000 We signed it, actually.

00:16:51.000 I signed this maybe an hour and a half ago.

00:16:55.000 So I got the contract here to prove.

00:16:57.000 Yeah, bust it out.

00:16:58.000 Uh-oh.

00:17:00.000 The biggest superfight in grappling history?

00:17:02.000 Really?

00:17:03.000 Yeah, it might be one of the biggest...

00:17:07.000 What is the biggest so far?

00:17:10.000 It's probably Gordon and Galvao.

00:17:12.000 Yeah, Gordon and Galvao, Hodja Bouchesha.

00:17:16.000 But now we're talking the most decorated female athlete of all time, Gabby Garcia, has put pen to paper to face me.

00:17:27.000 LAUGHTER On my own event.

00:17:28.000 So we're talking 10, 11-time world champion, 4-time ADCC champion.

00:17:33.000 You have been joking around about this forever.

00:17:35.000 This is actually gonna happen?

00:17:36.000 100% gonna happen.

00:17:38.000 We signed this contract earlier, so I had to do a lot of things to get it done, you know?

00:17:43.000 What'd you have to do?

00:17:45.000 I had to talk to Gabby a lot.

00:17:47.000 I had to go over there, give her a back rub.

00:17:49.000 Did you have to dance with her?

00:17:50.000 I mean, getting this done, she's like a Harvey Weinstein producer, you know?

00:17:54.000 But I'll do it for the fans.

00:17:55.000 But we got that booked.

00:17:57.000 So that's really going to happen?

00:17:58.000 Yeah, she's 6'4", 250 pounds.

00:18:01.000 I don't know what she weighs, yeah.

00:18:03.000 So I'll take her on.

00:18:05.000 Wow.

00:18:05.000 I feel good.

00:18:06.000 I probably won't train for it.

00:18:07.000 I'll be planning this damn event.

00:18:08.000 You won't train?

00:18:10.000 I wouldn't train that hard.

00:18:14.000 I'm happy she's doing it.

00:18:15.000 It took a long time.

00:18:16.000 We've been talking about this for two and a half years.

00:18:19.000 Feels like an arranged marriage or something.

00:18:20.000 I know.

00:18:21.000 I was always thinking that it was just a joke.

00:18:23.000 We've got to get rid of this sexual tension somehow, you know?

00:18:27.000 There's one way.

00:18:29.000 I mean, that's in the contract.

00:18:30.000 If I lose, I have to do some things.

00:18:32.000 Oh, no.

00:18:32.000 Maybe sell that on our OnlyFans, but...

00:18:34.000 Good luck.

00:18:37.000 Good luck.

00:18:38.000 So, when this all goes down, are you going to stream it live, and how are you going to do that?

00:18:45.000 Free on YouTube.

00:18:46.000 Really?

00:18:46.000 Yeah, we want to put it free on YouTube.

00:18:48.000 Everything I want to do about this event is to grow the sport.

00:18:52.000 Jiu-Jitsu scoring is confusing.

00:18:54.000 It's hard to keep up.

00:18:55.000 Some events don't even know their own scoring.

00:18:57.000 And to be honest, I compete in events where I don't even know the rules.

00:19:00.000 I'm just hoping for the best.

00:19:02.000 But this one we're going to do for the lead-up matches, the non-finals, qualifying matches, three-by-five-minute rounds.

00:19:09.000 And we're going to have the judges score according to your traditional jiu-jitsu.

00:19:13.000 You know, like if you get a good position, it might be a...

00:19:14.000 If there's a four-point discrepancy, something like that...

00:19:17.000 Are you using a specific rule set or are you guys making your own?

00:19:20.000 Making our own one.

00:19:20.000 We want to make it our own completely.

00:19:22.000 So we want to take what jiu-jitsu guys already know.

00:19:24.000 So we'll have three judges use some sort of pre-existing point system they understand, but we'll have the judges translate into a 10-point mark system so that MMA fans will understand.

00:19:35.000 So say if there's a...

00:19:36.000 After round one, the guy finishes on the other guy's back.

00:19:40.000 The ref stops, we get up, we have a minute break.

00:19:42.000 That's a strong position.

00:19:44.000 We'll score that at 10-8.

00:19:45.000 And we'll do open scoring.

00:19:47.000 So Jiu-Jitsu guys are used to knowing the score as the match progresses.

00:19:51.000 They don't like the surprises.

00:19:52.000 Like MMA, it's a surprise at the end.

00:19:54.000 Jiu-Jitsu guys, they don't want things to be too different.

00:19:56.000 So we're basically keeping it very similar to what they already understand while trying to introduce it in a way that's friendly to fans that tune in.

00:20:06.000 Because fans that tune in be like, what the fuck's happening?

00:20:07.000 He won the round tonight.

00:20:09.000 I wish that MMA had open scoring because it would expose a lot of really bad scoring.

00:20:16.000 You know where you're at.

00:20:17.000 Yeah, because there's so many times where it's just not.

00:20:20.000 And the argument against it, I think, is silly because the argument against it is that the person would coast if they were ahead.

00:20:26.000 But my feeling is that would make the person who's behind really get after it because they know they're behind.

00:20:31.000 You know, and then in fights where you know a guy's ahead and the guy's getting tooled up, that's already the case.

00:20:37.000 There's no, you know, like if Adesanya is fighting somebody and he's just dominating the fight, we all know that.

00:20:45.000 We all know that.

00:20:46.000 And the only thing that could fuck him is a bad judge.

00:20:49.000 Some crazy judge.

00:20:50.000 Yeah, and we've seen that.

00:20:52.000 We've seen like two scores that are like, that's right, and then one score, one judge, it's like, what the fuck was that guy watching?

00:20:59.000 That's the guy we're gonna hire for our event.

00:21:02.000 That guy's going to be cheap.

00:21:03.000 That guy's going to be dangerous.

00:21:06.000 Why 10-8?

00:21:08.000 I don't even like 10-8 for MMA. I think it sucks.

00:21:11.000 I mean, just for a way that we can grow, we can have an easy to digest.

00:21:15.000 I mean, I guess MMA's still pretty confusing, but we want MMA fans.

00:21:18.000 We want to steal MMA fans.

00:21:20.000 That's been my whole strategy, is I'll take on guys in the UFC, because I know they're I'm not.

00:21:25.000 And I'll be like, and they're famous.

00:21:26.000 It's like a perfect matchup.

00:21:27.000 But we want to do that because we want to steal their fans.

00:21:30.000 And we're also changing.

00:21:31.000 It's very fucking expensive, actually.

00:21:33.000 Every jujitsu event is basically on an elevated stage or just on mats.

00:21:38.000 And we have this problem where there's all these weird resets.

00:21:40.000 Like guys might fall off the stage.

00:21:42.000 Yeah.

00:21:43.000 They crash into the table.

00:21:44.000 That's crazy.

00:21:44.000 So inspired by karate combat.

00:21:47.000 We're going to do a rectangular mat space with that angled wall.

00:21:52.000 Because there's nowhere to run.

00:21:53.000 And we're going to call this rectangular mat space the alley.

00:21:56.000 You basically only head to the back alley to fight or fuck.

00:21:58.000 But isn't the angled wall a bit of a problem?

00:22:02.000 I saw your match with Philip Rowe.

00:22:04.000 Yeah.

00:22:05.000 And the angled wall, all of a sudden he's fucked.

00:22:07.000 Because you're just going to go down.

00:22:09.000 It's not like a wall.

00:22:11.000 I don't like the cage in MMA. I've said multiple times, I really think they should be fighting in a basketball court.

00:22:17.000 Just make it all matted up, have a long red line.

00:22:21.000 We're going to be big, 30 by 40. It's going to be massive.

00:22:23.000 That is big, yeah.

00:22:24.000 So we heard the basketball court, but we threw some angles on the end.

00:22:27.000 But it punishes them.

00:22:29.000 We want to punish guys for backing up.

00:22:31.000 Okay.

00:22:31.000 So again, like you said, with the cage, they back up, but they remain vertical.

00:22:35.000 You can use that angle to not get taken down.

00:22:37.000 But if you back up, if you're running away, We want it to be detrimental to you while not having any referee interruption.

00:22:44.000 So if I'm, like you said, I see I won the first round 10-8, I'm coasting, I'm backing up.

00:22:49.000 That guy can chase me and there's nowhere I can go.

00:22:51.000 And if I back up, it's detrimental to me.

00:22:53.000 I want to ask you a specific question about the Philip Rowe fight because he posted his arm down against the angle.

00:23:01.000 And I was like, well, you're kind of fucked.

00:23:04.000 If you're doing that, and then you threw up the triangle, and you trapped him.

00:23:08.000 But did you train for that?

00:23:10.000 So this is the setup, and this is in Karate Combat, which is, by the way, in Austin this Thursday.

00:23:16.000 I'm going to go down and check that out.

00:23:17.000 So like this.

00:23:18.000 When he posted his arm down, I'm like, oh no, that's...

00:23:21.000 Honestly, here's the funny thing about it is Asim, the promoter, said to me, he goes, bro, we've got to sell the angled wall for grappling.

00:23:27.000 He's like, can you try to submit him off the wall?

00:23:29.000 And I was like, fuck yeah, I'll do that.

00:23:30.000 But I was like, I've got no plans of that.

00:23:33.000 They asked you to do it?

00:23:34.000 Yeah, they said that'd be cool if you could do it.

00:23:36.000 And then afterwards, he's like, did you plan that?

00:23:38.000 I was like, yeah, sure.

00:23:40.000 I mean, anytime someone posts a hand on the ground, and we have an overhook, and we can put weight on that hand, they can't lift it off the ground, so we can shoot a triangle pretty easy.

00:23:48.000 Yeah.

00:23:48.000 So, as soon as I saw him, I've got an overhook here, we've got the Russian tire.

00:23:52.000 As soon as I see him put that right hand on the floor, I was like, we can do something flying.

00:23:57.000 And I saw, because of the angle, you can be a bit more brave, you know?

00:24:00.000 Like, it's not as sharp a fall.

00:24:03.000 Right.

00:24:03.000 Like, I'm 32, I probably shouldn't be doing flying shit, but you throw an angle in there, I'll give it a crack.

00:24:08.000 Well, especially with everything padded up like that on the walls.

00:24:11.000 Yeah.

00:24:12.000 Well, man, me and Phil were laughing before this match.

00:24:15.000 I had a couple beers before this.

00:24:16.000 I thought we were just going to have a good time.

00:24:17.000 You had a couple beers before the match?

00:24:19.000 Yeah, Phil said he was going to drink a tequila shot to start the match, but then I saw him put water in his cup.

00:24:23.000 I was like, I've been misled here.

00:24:25.000 And then we went out there, and I didn't even know the time of the match.

00:24:28.000 I thought it was eight minutes.

00:24:29.000 And the guys had got a 12-minute match.

00:24:30.000 I'm like, oh, fuck.

00:24:31.000 And then his coach started cornering him serious.

00:24:33.000 I was like, what have I got myself into, eh?

00:24:34.000 Yeah.

00:24:35.000 So I was like, better give it a cry.

00:24:36.000 I thought we were going to have fun, play around a bit, but he was ready to go.

00:24:40.000 You really had a couple of beers?

00:24:41.000 Yeah, I do, do, sometimes, you know?

00:24:43.000 Do you really?

00:24:43.000 Take the edge off, yeah.

00:24:45.000 Does it fuck with your performance at all?

00:24:48.000 You know what?

00:24:48.000 I never know what helps my performance or makes it worse.

00:24:53.000 Taking the edge off might help.

00:24:54.000 I think so, because when I do a long training camp, sometimes I'm thinking every day, putting pressure on myself.

00:24:59.000 But I finished that match, and because I hit a flying thing, we just got hammered that night.

00:25:05.000 I was celebrating.

00:25:05.000 And then the next day I was like, fuck, I have to face Lovato next week.

00:25:08.000 I was like, what have I done?

00:25:09.000 So it's like sometimes...

00:25:11.000 I guess the Jon Jones approach, you know?

00:25:13.000 Having some fun the week before takes the edge off.

00:25:15.000 Relaxes me.

00:25:16.000 Ilya Taporia does that too.

00:25:18.000 With the wine, yeah.

00:25:18.000 He gets drunk on Thursday night when he weighs in on Friday.

00:25:22.000 I don't like what he did to my man, but I respect the drinking of the wine for sure.

00:25:25.000 Yeah.

00:25:27.000 That fight, I wanted to talk to you about that too.

00:25:30.000 I wanted to talk to you about just the Volkanovski fight and training him in general.

00:25:36.000 Did you try in any way to discourage him from taking the Makachev fight on 10 days notice?

00:25:42.000 No, I mean, I'm not involved in that process at all, you know?

00:25:45.000 Like, I got the call that it was happening.

00:25:47.000 Like, he called me.

00:25:48.000 Man, I was jet-lagged at the time.

00:25:49.000 I'd just gotten to Austin for a day, and I get a call at 4am from Volks.

00:25:52.000 He's like, I think I have Makachev booked in two weeks.

00:25:56.000 And I was like, fuck it.

00:25:57.000 Tell me.

00:25:57.000 I'll just book the next flight.

00:25:59.000 I just got on the plane down there.

00:26:00.000 So I'm not involved in the matchmaking decision process at all.

00:26:03.000 Were you apprehensive about him taking that fight on such short notice?

00:26:08.000 I mean, I wouldn't say apprehensive.

00:26:10.000 I, like, believe in him fully.

00:26:12.000 I knew it would be a very difficult challenge.

00:26:14.000 I didn't know what sort of shape he was in at the time.

00:26:16.000 I hadn't seen him for a while.

00:26:17.000 But, like, I believe in him, that he can do it.

00:26:19.000 And it's like, I'm gonna just do everything I can to get him ready for that moment.

00:26:25.000 And yeah, I mean, it is the risk of the game, you know, especially you take a short-notice fight like that.

00:26:29.000 Had he been training at all?

00:26:31.000 I honestly don't know.

00:26:32.000 I don't think he...

00:26:33.000 Like, he wasn't in the same shape he was for the previous Makachev fight.

00:26:36.000 The previous Makachev fight, I was down...

00:26:38.000 In Wollongong with his team, freestyle for like six to eight weeks, helping him prepare for that one.

00:26:45.000 But I mean, this one, yeah, such short notice.

00:26:47.000 Well, that made it such a huge difference, the six to eight weeks, just the fact that he was able to survive on the ground the way he was.

00:26:53.000 And not just that, but just not just survive, but be completely safe.

00:26:59.000 He was never even close to being threatened with a submission, you know, and the fact that he was like laughing it off and punching them from behind and...

00:27:06.000 It's crazy, yeah.

00:27:07.000 I mean, I can't take too much credit for that.

00:27:10.000 The guy just is a beast.

00:27:11.000 He's an animal.

00:27:11.000 Yeah, he's just a monster.

00:27:12.000 He's so hard to hold down, even for me to hold down.

00:27:14.000 I don't get it.

00:27:15.000 I'm like, fuck, you won 45?

00:27:16.000 This shouldn't be the case, you know?

00:27:18.000 Rugby.

00:27:18.000 Yeah, some rugby energy, hey.

00:27:19.000 Well, also, he used to weigh 214 pounds, and you still got those fucking tendons from being a big gorilla.

00:27:25.000 That's true.

00:27:25.000 Yeah, the rugby days.

00:27:26.000 That's crazy.

00:27:27.000 I mean, when I trained at his gym, one of the rugby players come in, actually, and I was just fucking around rolling with him, and he put me in a chin strap, and I was stuck.

00:27:33.000 I was like, fuck, thank God these guys make real money in other sports.

00:27:36.000 I have to deal with this shit.

00:27:38.000 Yeah, it's a hard fucking sport, man.

00:27:40.000 It's a hard sport that Americans don't necessarily appreciate.

00:27:43.000 They don't understand.

00:27:45.000 Like, those are guys that could compete in the NFL. They said they're playing rugby because they live in a different country.

00:27:53.000 When Volkanovski fought the first time, and he was perfectly prepared, it was an amazing fight.

00:27:58.000 I thought he won.

00:27:59.000 I thought it was very close, but I thought he won.

00:28:02.000 I think round two was the difference, and I could see round two going either way, but I gave it to Volk.

00:28:07.000 But I was like, when they announced it, the rematch, part of me was like, Ooh, that's a great fight.

00:28:15.000 But the other part of me was like, this is the number one, in my opinion, this is the fight for number one pound for pound, right?

00:28:22.000 I believe Volk won the first fight, although very close.

00:28:26.000 I don't think it's a robbery, but very close.

00:28:28.000 And I think that puts him as the number one pound for pound fighter in the world.

00:28:32.000 And then he loses the fight to Islam.

00:28:35.000 He gets caught with that head kick.

00:28:36.000 And then he gets knocked out by Tepuria.

00:28:38.000 Now he's not even in the conversation anymore.

00:28:40.000 So this is a short amount of time, you know, and then everything kind of falls apart.

00:28:45.000 And I think it wouldn't have fallen apart if not for the rematch.

00:28:49.000 If he just waited for Terpuria, I think, I gotta think that head kick has a factor.

00:28:55.000 I mean, to get brained like that with a shin to the dome, which is the worst way to get knocked out, you know, it's so much power in legs.

00:29:03.000 I mean, your legs are carrying your body around all day.

00:29:08.000 I don't think people that have never been kicked understand how much more power is in a leg.

00:29:12.000 Yeah, I would not.

00:29:13.000 You get head kicked like that, and then you fight a guy who's obviously the most dangerous boxer in the division in the next fight and get KO'd.

00:29:24.000 I mean, yeah, it's crazy.

00:29:25.000 I've had a couple of concussions from grappling, like accidents.

00:29:28.000 Knees and headbutts, clashes.

00:29:30.000 Always that one asshole, you know, going crazy.

00:29:32.000 But I don't know, really, the effects of that.

00:29:36.000 It's so hard to judge.

00:29:37.000 It's like, I don't know what testing they can do, but it's like...

00:29:41.000 They can't do much, unfortunately.

00:29:44.000 There are some tests, but the reality is, every time you get knocked out, it's easier for that person to get knocked out again.

00:29:51.000 And psychologically, I think, for the opponents.

00:29:53.000 Like, for me, coaching Vox, like, there were matches where, like, even with the fights, when, like, say, Ortega had him in the sub, and it's like when he keeps doing these impossible things, you believe in the myth of your guy more and more.

00:30:05.000 And other fighters do, too.

00:30:06.000 They go, oh, we couldn't submit him.

00:30:08.000 Look how deep Ortega was.

00:30:09.000 Well, it's his heart.

00:30:09.000 His heart is just unstoppable.

00:30:12.000 But I think when a guy gets clipped like that, everyone else goes, they suddenly have a bit more self-belief.

00:30:17.000 So I think it's like two factors.

00:30:19.000 Yeah, I think you're probably right.

00:30:20.000 But I think Toporia thought he was going to do that to him anyway.

00:30:24.000 But I would just love to have seen him fully recover from that.

00:30:27.000 Like when Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Marquez, Freddie Roach wouldn't let him do anything for a year.

00:30:33.000 He's like, you're gonna take one year off.

00:30:35.000 He's like, this is the only way you have to...

00:30:38.000 And Freddie Roach, who has trauma-induced Parkinson's from his boxing career, he's well aware of the impact of brain damage.

00:30:46.000 And, you know, it's so tricky because I'm just such a huge Volk fan that I just look...

00:30:52.000 I wish I had his ear.

00:30:53.000 I don't know if he would have listened to me, but if I had his ear...

00:30:57.000 I think that's what makes those guys special, though.

00:31:00.000 It's the self-belief.

00:31:01.000 100%.

00:31:01.000 That's what makes you a champion.

00:31:03.000 You cannot become a Volkanovski without this unstoppable belief in yourself.

00:31:07.000 Me and him are the complete opposite.

00:31:08.000 If someone was like, bro, you're probably going to lose, I'm like, yeah, you make a good point.

00:31:12.000 I'm like, how much are they paying me?

00:31:13.000 We're complete opposite.

00:31:15.000 He takes everything super serious, sporting, everything.

00:31:17.000 I don't know how we've blended together.

00:31:19.000 I'm able to coach him somehow.

00:31:21.000 Well, you're very technical.

00:31:23.000 I mean, the thing about your, you know, joking around and being silly about it all is like, you are, but your technique is very, very good, obviously.

00:31:33.000 You obviously are one of the elite guys in the world when it comes to technique.

00:31:38.000 So it's not, you are serious.

00:31:40.000 Yeah, I mean personality type, you know?

00:31:42.000 Yeah.

00:31:43.000 But I guess we have the Australian bond.

00:31:45.000 He has faith in me, more faith in me than the guy that gave me this, I think.

00:31:50.000 They both probably shouldn't, no.

00:31:51.000 What is Volk up to now?

00:31:53.000 Do you talk to him?

00:31:54.000 I think he's in Thailand training at Bangtao with his, so Volk's wrestling coach, Frank Hickman, they have a gym in Thailand, so he's out in Bangtao getting some work in.

00:32:01.000 I want to get him a grappling match.

00:32:03.000 I said to him, I said, man, if we're going to take some time away because of the concussions, let's get you a grappling match.

00:32:08.000 And my thought was, how cool would it be to see him and Ortega have a grappling match?

00:32:13.000 Oh my god, that would be incredible.

00:32:14.000 I would just love to see it in that setting because Ortega obviously struggled to submit him in MMA. Yeah.

00:32:19.000 Let's see what happens in a grappling match.

00:32:20.000 Right, with no gloves too.

00:32:22.000 Yeah, that would be very interesting.

00:32:24.000 Ortega's very good on the ground.

00:32:26.000 He's very sneaky too.

00:32:28.000 Yeah, he's super slick.

00:32:30.000 He catches some crazy shit out there.

00:32:32.000 He'll be losing a fight like two, three rounds, get one, look at a guillotine, finish it.

00:32:36.000 It's crazy.

00:32:37.000 No, and his guillotine is fucking death.

00:32:39.000 I mean, when Volkanovski got out of that, the mounted guillotine, his face looked like a grape.

00:32:44.000 And just would not tap.

00:32:45.000 Would not tap.

00:32:46.000 I had no idea how he got out, but I told everyone.

00:32:48.000 I was like, yeah, obviously that's me.

00:32:49.000 Buy the DVD. Support his grappling coach.

00:32:52.000 I take credit for that.

00:32:54.000 He's an animal.

00:32:55.000 99.9% of the world would have tapped.

00:32:58.000 He's like that in the gym.

00:32:59.000 I remember I would choke him in the gym sometimes, and he'll go from putting his chin in to taking it out as your grip's in there.

00:33:06.000 He'll try and switch it from, I guess, the front choke to the blood vessels.

00:33:11.000 He just...

00:33:11.000 Changes how you choke him and can survive down there.

00:33:13.000 Wow.

00:33:14.000 I don't know how he does that.

00:33:15.000 He should teach me that shit.

00:33:17.000 I think it's just his brain.

00:33:19.000 Yeah, too tough.

00:33:20.000 Yeah, he's a fucking animal.

00:33:22.000 And so does he have a plan to come back?

00:33:25.000 I don't know what's going on.

00:33:27.000 I imagine it's probably Holloway versus Teporia.

00:33:29.000 I think that's going to happen.

00:33:30.000 I hope so.

00:33:31.000 I hope personally we get Vox a grapple match.

00:33:33.000 Maybe we get him at this event.

00:33:36.000 I'm hoping we get some MMA guys at this event.

00:33:38.000 Is he thinking about doing something like that?

00:33:40.000 You don't have a whole lot of time, right?

00:33:42.000 When is this event?

00:33:43.000 This is August 16th, 17th.

00:33:44.000 Yeah, so not much time.

00:33:45.000 But, I mean, if he's in shape, he's training, he's out at Bangtown, Thailand, get some rounds in, I think it's fine, especially against another MMA guy.

00:33:52.000 They both have the same type of training.

00:33:54.000 You know, it's not like he's taking on a pure grappler that's only grappling.

00:33:57.000 So do you have a budget to do something like that, to do super fights as well?

00:34:01.000 Actually, yeah.

00:34:02.000 So we're going to start taking sponsors to try and get more super fights.

00:34:05.000 And I'm in talks with some legends of the game right now, like some guys that you'd be shocked.

00:34:11.000 Can you say names?

00:34:13.000 I wouldn't say any names, but potentially...

00:34:15.000 Can you make the names rhyme?

00:34:17.000 Yeah.

00:34:19.000 One of them has a Mexican-sounded last name, but I'll talk to you about that off the air.

00:34:23.000 Okay.

00:34:24.000 I know that one.

00:34:25.000 Yeah, all the legends.

00:34:26.000 So many people want to come out of retirement for this.

00:34:29.000 I think they just know, especially when I explain the rules, explain that it's in that alley, like the sunken floor.

00:34:36.000 You know, they like that format.

00:34:37.000 Obviously, you throw a million dollars on Instagram, you get some messages.

00:34:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:41.000 You get some, hey brother, what's going on, you know?

00:34:44.000 Yeah, I think people are going to be shocked at how good Luke Rockhold is.

00:34:48.000 Yeah, man, he's so tough.

00:34:50.000 He's very good on the ground.

00:34:51.000 I remember when he got Weidman down and mounted him and Weidman could not get up.

00:34:55.000 I was like, his ground game is very underrated because he's just known as an MMA guy.

00:35:01.000 And he's going to come train with us.

00:35:03.000 He's going to come to B-Team for five weeks.

00:35:04.000 So he's going to prepare with us for this event.

00:35:06.000 So we'll watch him and Nicky Rod kill each other every day.

00:35:09.000 I'll love to watch that shit.

00:35:10.000 Wow.

00:35:12.000 Yeah, I always wondered how he would have done if he had gone straight grappling, because the people that I know that trained with him said, dude, I think he could have competed with the best in the world as a grappler, just as a pure grappler.

00:35:23.000 Yeah, I mean, look at the guys he's training with, Khabib and Islam, Cain Velasquez, DC, all those guys.

00:35:29.000 People think it's like MMA's in isolation, like those skills won't translate.

00:35:32.000 They translate, especially with athletes like that.

00:35:34.000 Especially in such a grappling-dominated camp.

00:35:37.000 He's going to surprise some people.

00:35:39.000 What I keep laughing about is like, it's a million dollars for first place, 10,000 for second place.

00:35:44.000 I'm like, who's tapping?

00:35:45.000 Right, for a million dollars.

00:35:46.000 Yeah, and I think what we're going to do, I haven't finalized this yet, but I think if you're in a submission and the round ends, we keep going.

00:35:52.000 Get out of the submission.

00:35:53.000 Well, there's been so many times where guys were almost submitted, where you think, oh...

00:35:59.000 Yeah, this guy.

00:35:59.000 I let him out of that armbar to join the team, you know?

00:36:02.000 Look what happened.

00:36:02.000 Yeah.

00:36:03.000 I didn't get any money out of that.

00:36:05.000 How bad was his arm fucked up after that?

00:36:07.000 That arm bar was so tight.

00:36:09.000 Well, that was the funny thing, right?

00:36:10.000 And that was EBI. What's the prize of EBI? Well, he had had some...

00:36:15.000 If I had submitted him, I would have won 15K. And I think he had only had two submissions in regulation.

00:36:21.000 So he was...

00:36:22.000 He only made 10K. So I was like, we could have made a business deal there, bro.

00:36:26.000 Just let it go.

00:36:27.000 But man, his arm popped on the day.

00:36:30.000 He said it was fine.

00:36:31.000 Next week, I show up.

00:36:32.000 We're both competing in another event again.

00:36:34.000 And there was like three, four locker rooms.

00:36:36.000 And I would just travel by myself.

00:36:39.000 I wouldn't even have a coach.

00:36:40.000 I'd just post an Instagram story.

00:36:41.000 Who can corner me for this event?

00:36:43.000 Like, against Gordon, I had Denny Prokopos.

00:36:44.000 And he was saying 10th Planet stuff to me, and I didn't even know what language he was speaking in the corner there.

00:36:48.000 Oh, right.

00:36:49.000 So I was confused.

00:36:50.000 Crackhead control.

00:36:51.000 Yeah, he's saying, do these things.

00:36:52.000 I'm like, what's happening, bro?

00:36:53.000 And then I show up to this next event.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, Kasai grappling in New York.

00:36:58.000 And of all the locker rooms, they throw me in there with the Danaher guys.

00:37:00.000 And I'm just like, this is a bit weird.

00:37:01.000 I had this guy in Armbar last week, then he choked me, and now it's just me in a locker room with them all.

00:37:06.000 It was very awkward, but then broke the ice and came in the train the next week.

00:37:10.000 And you were with them for a long time.

00:37:13.000 You were with them for, like, what, five years?

00:37:15.000 With Danaher?

00:37:16.000 Yeah.

00:37:17.000 Two years.

00:37:18.000 So did it start before Puerto Rico?

00:37:20.000 Yes.

00:37:21.000 Yeah, I lived in New York for...

00:37:23.000 I mean, man, my memory's hazy, but we survived Puerto Rico for six months, and before that, I would come and go from New York.

00:37:32.000 I was probably with the team two and a half years.

00:37:35.000 But yeah, things get weird out there in the jungle, you know?

00:37:38.000 Yeah.

00:37:39.000 Buckle lips down style.

00:37:40.000 Well, everyone's confused as to what happened with you guys.

00:37:44.000 There's no real version of the truth.

00:37:47.000 Yeah.

00:37:48.000 We've got a book deal.

00:37:49.000 We've got a movie deal coming out.

00:37:51.000 I'm gonna exploit that story to the bitter end.

00:37:53.000 You have a book deal, for real?

00:37:55.000 No, I'm joking.

00:37:55.000 But I could.

00:37:56.000 The story's weird enough, you know.

00:37:57.000 What happened with you guys?

00:38:00.000 I mean, there's so many things we really can't discuss, you know?

00:38:04.000 A lot of problems, obviously.

00:38:06.000 Obviously, if two brothers split up, there's going to be some serious issues there.

00:38:11.000 But yeah, it's not really my place to say.

00:38:13.000 But hopefully, one day it comes out.

00:38:15.000 I think it'll be an interesting story.

00:38:17.000 Who knows?

00:38:17.000 This shit might kick things off.

00:38:19.000 It might be World War 3 again.

00:38:20.000 So when you left, did you leave to start your own place?

00:38:25.000 When you guys started B-Team, was that the plan all along?

00:38:28.000 No, I honestly never even wanted to start a gym.

00:38:30.000 I'd already told the guys at Danaher's that I was like, hey, this will be my last ADCC, and then I just want to travel around, see the world, visit interesting destinations, teach seminars.

00:38:41.000 I felt like I'd already built a brand.

00:38:43.000 But then when the team split, I felt like I sort of wanted to help them kickstart something.

00:38:47.000 So we came here.

00:38:48.000 We started the B team.

00:38:49.000 I've been with the B team.

00:38:50.000 We've had the B team two, three years.

00:38:52.000 But I'm not there too much anymore.

00:38:54.000 You know, I helped kickstart it.

00:38:55.000 We got the gym.

00:38:56.000 The guys haven't, you know?

00:38:57.000 So, like, I like traveling around.

00:39:00.000 So, are you basically semi-retired?

00:39:03.000 For sure.

00:39:04.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:39:04.000 I mean, obviously, if you put on an event that pisses off every other promotion in the sport, it's going to probably be hard to get matches in the future.

00:39:12.000 So I'll probably compete for my own show and that's it.

00:39:15.000 That's the plan.

00:39:15.000 We want to keep doing these shows.

00:39:17.000 Well, I think you're going to piss off ADCC for sure by going head-to-head with them, but I don't think it would piss off Fight Pass or who's number one.

00:39:25.000 Do you think?

00:39:26.000 Well, I mean, whoever's streaming ADCC is obviously not going to be happy.

00:39:31.000 There's more competition.

00:39:33.000 But again, I still think long-term, this story is going to grow the sport.

00:39:38.000 It's an interesting story.

00:39:40.000 It's fun.

00:39:40.000 Let's see what happens.

00:39:41.000 It'll either be the best event ever or the Fyre Festival.

00:39:43.000 I'm hoping for the former.

00:39:46.000 The Fight Festival.

00:39:47.000 Are you, besides the Gabby Garcia thing, which is, you know, no disrespect, kind of a gimmick fight?

00:39:54.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:39:56.000 Are you done competing?

00:39:58.000 I'll probably do another match.

00:40:00.000 That's Gabby.

00:40:01.000 Gabby will be one day.

00:40:02.000 If someone's down, I'll do a match on the other day as well.

00:40:05.000 We'll see, but I also want to leave it open because I am talking to some crazy big names.

00:40:10.000 And I'm like, man, if we can put that together.

00:40:12.000 I'm going to try and save some space.

00:40:15.000 Obviously, I have to run this thing.

00:40:16.000 I wish you could tell me some of those names on the air.

00:40:19.000 It's everyone you could possibly think of.

00:40:20.000 I'll tell you after.

00:40:21.000 There's a potential matchup that I'm working on that's insane.

00:40:25.000 It'll be the craziest shit ever.

00:40:27.000 Really?

00:40:27.000 Crazy, yeah.

00:40:28.000 You want to tell me now and we'll cut it out?

00:40:30.000 Yeah, can we do that?

00:40:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:32.000 I'm working on it.

00:40:33.000 Holy shit.

00:40:35.000 Sorry, folks.

00:40:36.000 You can't know.

00:40:37.000 Damn!

00:40:38.000 That would be insane.

00:40:40.000 That would be insane.

00:40:42.000 Wow.

00:40:42.000 Is the former, is he training?

00:40:45.000 Training, yep.

00:40:46.000 People have said, man, he feels good.

00:40:48.000 It'd be like obviously crazy inspirational story.

00:40:49.000 I'd love it.

00:40:50.000 Wow.

00:40:51.000 Yeah, that's insane.

00:40:54.000 It's insane, you know, and then it's like Abu Dhabi, for a lot of people, is the Olympics of grappling.

00:41:03.000 And one of the things is it's every two years.

00:41:06.000 I mean, I remember when John Jacques won Abu Dhabi.

00:41:10.000 You know, I had just started, I think this was like, what year was this?

00:41:13.000 When he started training, when he fought in Abu Dhabi.

00:41:17.000 Early 2000s, mid-2000s?

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:19.000 I was like a blue belt at the time.

00:41:22.000 And when John Jock went over there, we were just so proud that he went over there.

00:41:27.000 He had this advantage over a lot of the Gi guys in that he only has one hand.

00:41:32.000 And so he never relied on grabbing collars.

00:41:35.000 Everything was overhooks and underhooks.

00:41:37.000 And he had sort of already developed...

00:41:39.000 A no-gi game that he was applying to the gi.

00:41:43.000 You know, obviously he could do all the gi techniques as well, but he was more of a no-gi guy in the beginning.

00:41:48.000 And it was so interesting watching that style, you know, watching no-gi.

00:41:54.000 Which is, if Abu Dhabi didn't do that, and if they didn't have this prestigious event and make it no-gi, I think the sport would have really struggled.

00:42:03.000 Because it's so hard for people to appreciate what's going on with the gi.

00:42:08.000 It's very slow, and when you see a guy getting choked by a collar, it's just...

00:42:12.000 It looks silly, too.

00:42:13.000 Yeah.

00:42:14.000 But yeah, man, I'm so happy Abu Dhabi exists.

00:42:16.000 I think the inspiration for me to do ADCC was Stuart Cooper's highlight reels.

00:42:21.000 Like when I was coming up, like 2009, 2011, CM Braulio, Andre Gavao's runs, like that inspired me.

00:42:27.000 Losing in the gi more than no-gi also inspired me to chase the no-gi dreams, but I'm following in Eddie Bravo's footsteps.

00:42:33.000 We both did ADCC, couldn't win it.

00:42:35.000 We have our own invitational.

00:42:37.000 But yeah, I'm thankful for everything they've done.

00:42:39.000 I still obviously love ADCC. I wouldn't have a career as big as it is without ADCC. But do you feel any loyalty to ADCC? You're kind of fucking them, right?

00:42:48.000 I mean, I feel loyalty to the athletes.

00:42:51.000 I think for what we do and how much bigger the sport is now, we should be compensated better.

00:42:58.000 And that's sort of why I've taken a massive risk in doing this.

00:43:00.000 I appreciate what you're saying, but if ADC is not turning a profit, like the idea of compensating the athletes more, I mean, they have essentially made stars out of so many of these athletes.

00:43:11.000 And because of that, by the fact of that, they've profited.

00:43:16.000 But therein lies the argument, and the argument is that I believe an event of that magnitude should turn a profit.

00:43:24.000 I'm going to do it myself and see.

00:43:26.000 Obviously, I could be wrong, but based on the production and the things we've paid for thus far, I don't see how you couldn't run it in a profitable way.

00:43:35.000 Obviously, we're giving away 100 times as much for two divisions.

00:43:38.000 But man, if they had even upped it to 20k...

00:43:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:42.000 Like, some token gesture.

00:43:44.000 Like, if we're going from a basketball court with 100 people in there to selling out T-Mobile, like, if there's room for a fireworks show, if there's room for drummers, I feel like there should be some room in the budget for the athlete pay to increase.

00:44:01.000 No, that's a good argument.

00:44:02.000 And hopefully, by forcing, by this, you guys will, like, inspire them.

00:44:08.000 And the argument is about making stars.

00:44:11.000 Like, it's true.

00:44:12.000 It's true.

00:44:13.000 Obviously, you get a huge platform, but you could win and not become a star.

00:44:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:44:17.000 I know plenty of guys.

00:44:18.000 Well, not plenty of guys, but I know a few people that have won ADCC, but really like...

00:44:22.000 No one knows who they are.

00:44:23.000 Yeah.

00:44:23.000 That's crazy for me is I'll go to a seminar and I'll sell out just because of just fucking gay jokes and stupid jokes all the time, you know?

00:44:31.000 And I'll see real champions that can't...

00:44:33.000 Sell out a seminar.

00:44:34.000 So if we can make an event that those champions can make some real money in, I'd be super happy.

00:44:40.000 Well, I think also your popularity has increased because people know that you coach Volkanovski and you've worked with MMA athletes before.

00:44:47.000 Do you plan on still doing that?

00:44:49.000 For sure, yeah.

00:44:50.000 For sure.

00:44:50.000 Love Volkanovski.

00:44:51.000 Always be there for him any time.

00:44:53.000 I mean, obviously MMA's got a lot of...

00:44:56.000 Crazy individuals in there, but to give up the time to work with the correct athletes, I will always have time for some of the real good guys out there.

00:45:03.000 Obviously, Izzy, awesome.

00:45:04.000 I'd always make time for Izzy.

00:45:06.000 Jack Della from Perth.

00:45:08.000 Guys like that, just super cool guys.

00:45:10.000 I'd always find time to help them.

00:45:12.000 Yeah, Jack Della, what a big win he got over Gilbert.

00:45:14.000 Man, I still moves off him.

00:45:16.000 I remember when he went in the Contender Series, he hit a, like, a Makikumi reversal in the first round of the Contender Series fight, and I was just blown away by his grappling, and I've been watching it since.

00:45:24.000 And his reversal with Gilbert Burns was crazy.

00:45:27.000 Yeah, very crazy.

00:45:28.000 I've trained with him, and I'm just like, I still moves from him.

00:45:31.000 Like, he's, man, he's so good at grappling.

00:45:33.000 Yeah.

00:45:34.000 Yeah, he's very good at striking, too.

00:45:36.000 In my opinion, he's one of the best in the sport at mixing up shots from the body to the head.

00:45:41.000 Because so many fighters, for whatever reason, are headhunters.

00:45:46.000 Because you can knock a guy out with one shot, but Jack is so good at mixing shots up to the body and to the head.

00:45:52.000 I mean, he just breaks guys down.

00:45:54.000 Yeah, he's a scary guy.

00:45:55.000 I was lucky, actually, because before the Taporia fight, we were able to sort of link up.

00:46:00.000 So it was like he came out to Wollongong and trained.

00:46:04.000 Izzy came out at the same time, so I got to watch Jack Deller and Izzy mix it up and then them train with Vox.

00:46:09.000 And for me, even as an MMA fan, I have to pinch myself sometimes and be like, wow, that's amazing.

00:46:13.000 It's just like putting on this thing when I'm talking to these guys about superfights.

00:46:17.000 It's the dream.

00:46:18.000 As just a grappling fan, I'm just thinking, oh, what could we do?

00:46:21.000 Who could we convince into this event?

00:46:23.000 Just from a pure fan perspective, it is pretty fun.

00:46:28.000 I'm sure.

00:46:30.000 It's going to be interesting to see whether or not this can work.

00:46:33.000 Because a lot of people have looked at the UFC model and said, hey, athletes should be getting paid more money, and so they put on these events, and none of them are profitable.

00:46:41.000 I mean, maybe Bellator was, and they sold Bellator, and then there's the PFL. I don't know how they do financially.

00:46:47.000 But they have the same sort of similar thing.

00:46:49.000 They have a tournament, the end of the tournament, the guy wins a million dollars.

00:46:52.000 But my point is, right, is like if you're an Olympic champion or if you're a UFC champion, it has so much prestige that every single person in the world knows what it is.

00:47:01.000 It has this intrinsic value.

00:47:03.000 Yeah.

00:47:04.000 If you say you're an IBJJF champion or an ADCC champion, a very small percentage of your population know that.

00:47:11.000 So it's like, that's case in point.

00:47:13.000 We've put on a tournament with much more money.

00:47:16.000 Everyone jumps ships because they know that's money.

00:47:19.000 Whereas like obviously Olympic gold medal, that's timeless.

00:47:23.000 That crosses all sports, you know, that crosses into the culture.

00:47:26.000 How many guys are jumping ship?

00:47:28.000 I mean, I'll tell you afterwards, but...

00:47:30.000 So is it public that they're jumping ship, or are they not talking about it?

00:47:35.000 Well, we've got 16 spots in under and over, and I'm navigating through who wants to be in there, you know?

00:47:44.000 16 spots each, so 32 total?

00:47:46.000 So I'm trying to navigate to the best guys we can get, and it's like everyone wants in, you know?

00:47:51.000 Really?

00:47:52.000 So no one's worried about the repercussions or the blowback from ADCC? No, because I think they see it as well.

00:47:59.000 I could get the money to show.

00:48:01.000 So the Tackett Brothers, local Texas guys, some of the nicest kids ever.

00:48:06.000 And they were the first ones to reach out to me.

00:48:08.000 They won the trials.

00:48:10.000 ADCC's been their dream their entire life.

00:48:12.000 And they just hit me up.

00:48:13.000 Because no one believes anything I say, unfortunately.

00:48:15.000 You make too many jokes, everyone's like, it's full of shit.

00:48:18.000 But these guys were like, man, is this real?

00:48:20.000 And I was like, yeah, it's real.

00:48:21.000 And they're like, well, even if I have to deal with the consequences, even if I have to go back and win the trials to qualify again, I won a shot at a million.

00:48:28.000 And they're not even talking about themselves.

00:48:29.000 They're like, I want to take care of my family.

00:48:31.000 And I'm like, wow, that's a super cool motivation to do this.

00:48:34.000 They're willing to risk it because they'll fight their way back in.

00:48:37.000 Well, I hope there's no repercussions.

00:48:39.000 I hope...

00:48:40.000 I don't think there will be.

00:48:41.000 Well, we'll see, right?

00:48:43.000 But I think best case scenario is that ADCC recognizes that there's competition and they have to raise up the amount of money they give the athletes.

00:48:53.000 Maybe it'll just elevate the profile of the sport enough so that's profitable still.

00:48:58.000 Yeah, it's a good experiment.

00:49:00.000 Prestige versus...

00:49:01.000 But why do it the same weekend as them?

00:49:04.000 Well, you want the athletes to make a stand, you know?

00:49:06.000 Are they together?

00:49:07.000 Or, you know, what is the motivation here for these guys?

00:49:12.000 Money.

00:49:12.000 Money is the motivation.

00:49:13.000 Money, for sure.

00:49:14.000 It's sort of making a stand, but it's making a stand that money is more important than this organization that's propped up the sport for 20-plus years.

00:49:22.000 Well, there's other athletes that say a million dollars is easy to make.

00:49:25.000 That guy over there?

00:49:26.000 Well, it's easy for Gordon.

00:49:28.000 I mean, Gordon makes a lot of money.

00:49:29.000 I mean, Gordon makes a lot of money from instructional just from dominating for all these years.

00:49:33.000 But again, like a million for most guys.

00:49:37.000 I mean, you grow up in Brazil.

00:49:40.000 Millions are not easy to make by any means.

00:49:42.000 The instructional market is predominantly English-speaking people.

00:49:46.000 They're the ones that are going to pay the highest price.

00:49:47.000 So it's like us that speak English have a huge advantage in that area.

00:49:52.000 Even me personally, just for having an accent.

00:49:54.000 A lot of Americans are like, wow, he's fucking smarter.

00:49:56.000 That's why we use people like you for infomercials.

00:49:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:58.000 They take it.

00:50:00.000 You can sell a mop.

00:50:01.000 John Dano, you throw a Kiwi accent on it.

00:50:04.000 He's obviously a smart guy, but that adds points for sure.

00:50:07.000 Are you still close to him?

00:50:08.000 Do you talk to him?

00:50:09.000 No, we don't talk.

00:50:10.000 So he's upset at all this?

00:50:12.000 I don't know.

00:50:13.000 I've run into him a few times.

00:50:14.000 We shake hands.

00:50:14.000 But you know his general demeanor.

00:50:16.000 You don't really know.

00:50:17.000 Yeah.

00:50:18.000 I look back when we walk past.

00:50:20.000 See, there's no knife coming.

00:50:22.000 But I helped him hide a few bodies in New York.

00:50:25.000 You know, some missing women.

00:50:27.000 But we had a tight bond.

00:50:30.000 He's a unique character.

00:50:32.000 I mean, he seems like a guy from a fucking movie.

00:50:34.000 Like, he doesn't even seem like a real guy.

00:50:36.000 You know, some professor of philosophy at Columbia who becomes obsessed with jiu-jitsu, sleeps on the mats, teaches everybody and forces everybody to train 365 days a year.

00:50:46.000 Yeah, that's an interesting fella.

00:50:49.000 What was it like doing that, like the 365 days a year?

00:50:53.000 I mean, I wouldn't do it.

00:50:55.000 I would be like, bro, we're taking a day off.

00:50:57.000 Let me have a day to relax.

00:50:59.000 I wouldn't necessarily do it.

00:51:01.000 It was a lot of training though.

00:51:03.000 He wanted it to be your life.

00:51:06.000 Obviously it should be, but a lot of pressure.

00:51:09.000 A lot of pressure to be a part of that team.

00:51:12.000 Did you talk to him about the philosophy behind those decisions?

00:51:17.000 I mean, we had a lot of discussions.

00:51:18.000 I think we were actually really close because I'm from his part of the world.

00:51:24.000 So a lot of the time Australians visit, he actually has a tight connection with them because we have a lot of things we can relate on.

00:51:30.000 So we talk all the time.

00:51:32.000 Unfortunately, me and Nicky Ryan were two of the ones he was closest to before the team split.

00:51:39.000 And when you guys were training there, how beneficial is it having a guy like him around?

00:51:44.000 Super beneficial, and also not just because of who he is and how smart he is, but he basically approached it like an MMA coach.

00:51:51.000 An MMA coach is always watching, is always guiding your training.

00:51:55.000 Most jiu-jitsu coaches are participating.

00:51:57.000 They teach you a few moves, they roll with everyone.

00:52:00.000 So to have a guy that approaches it like an MMA coach, where he approaches it with that level of professionalism, watching, making adjustments, I think even something as simple as that is a huge benefit.

00:52:11.000 Yeah.

00:52:12.000 Yeah, I think so too.

00:52:13.000 Also, a guy who's physically impaired, where he can't compete, but he has so much passion for it that he pours it all into the athletes.

00:52:22.000 Yeah, and I think what made him so brilliant as well is obviously his college and university.

00:52:27.000 He knows how to study.

00:52:29.000 He knows how to take notes on everything.

00:52:31.000 He knows how to teach.

00:52:32.000 You put him in Henzo Gracie's in New York for 20 years when it was the hub of MMA and grappling.

00:52:40.000 Guys like Hodja Gracie are passing through all the time.

00:52:43.000 He's basically in this position where he can just watch, train with all these guys, pick up all these details, and have it locked and loaded, ready to teach in a perfect way.

00:52:53.000 Obviously, his game's heavily inspired by Marcelo Garcia.

00:52:57.000 He just takes the really useful things and can articulate it in a way that's better than most of the people in the sport before him.

00:53:04.000 So I think there's all these factors that have made him who he is and why he's so successful.

00:53:10.000 How much of a factor is this the constant training the training of 365 days you're like how do you balance the burnout with the discipline like how do you like because I think inspiration is Almost enthusiasm and inspiration are almost I think discipline is more important for sure,

00:53:31.000 but there are factors that can't be ignored because when an athlete loses inspiration and loses enthusiasm, they just don't have the mental drive to push through very difficult situations.

00:53:46.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:53:47.000 Like you just lose the steam, you lose the engine.

00:53:50.000 I mean, I don't think you should do 365 a year.

00:53:53.000 I think you should peak for events, have a period of time afterwards where you slow down, and then when you're not preparing for an event, you're studying technique.

00:54:03.000 When you get closer to an event, you're refining those particular techniques and skills for that particular event's rule set or opponent or whatever, and we should go up and down.

00:54:14.000 I like it when you have an event Whether you win or lose, you don't train too much after and you have this period where you miss training and you're like pulled back into it.

00:54:23.000 So I do, and I think, I mean, even like, obviously Gordon's had forced breaks with health issues, but like as long as I've known him and we train together, like there would be time periods where he wouldn't be at training for a week or two, you know?

00:54:36.000 So it's like, I think it's like a myth we should all strive for, but everyone should be entitled to some time off.

00:54:42.000 Did you ever talk to John about that?

00:54:45.000 I mean, I would just take a day off every week, but luckily, like, I think he had some love for the Australians, let me get away with some things he wouldn't let other people do.

00:54:52.000 So, I mean, I would be chilling, you know?

00:54:54.000 Does he enforce that, like the 365 days a week?

00:54:57.000 I mean, I don't know if there's a real strong enforcement, but there's like an unspoken...

00:55:02.000 You better be there, you know?

00:55:03.000 But who knows what it's like now.

00:55:05.000 Obviously, he's moved to Austin.

00:55:06.000 My memory's probably phased.

00:55:07.000 He's probably forgot some things.

00:55:09.000 But yeah, obviously, I'm super appreciative that I was a part of that team.

00:55:13.000 But I mean, I was with Lachlan.

00:55:15.000 I'm lucky.

00:55:16.000 I moved to Melbourne.

00:55:17.000 I was with Lachlan Giles for a few years.

00:55:19.000 I had a massive splash at ADCC 2019. And then I was with John.

00:55:22.000 So, like, I've been around some good coaches, you know?

00:55:25.000 So, I think I'm a lucky position despite coming from Australia.

00:55:28.000 Not as lucky as others.

00:55:29.000 Like, it would have been amazing to be like a Nicky Ryan, born right next to New York and got to train with someone.

00:55:36.000 Will the people in that team have that coaches?

00:55:39.000 But again, like...

00:55:40.000 We're all not that lucky.

00:55:41.000 I didn't even train with a black belt.

00:55:42.000 I was already a purple belt.

00:55:43.000 Really?

00:55:44.000 Yeah, we all weren't exposed.

00:55:46.000 Because I'm from Australia, I probably came up with a time period in my city that was more like an older time in the U.S. where black belts were like, whoa.

00:55:53.000 Never met one.

00:55:55.000 What year did you start training?

00:55:58.000 Probably 17 years ago now.

00:56:01.000 And even back then, there weren't many black belts around?

00:56:04.000 No, when I started training, I just trained with my cousin, and he was like a four-stripe white belt.

00:56:08.000 There was like two people on the mats, you know?

00:56:10.000 There was nothing.

00:56:10.000 I trained twice a week.

00:56:11.000 I didn't train properly for a long time.

00:56:13.000 You trained twice a week?

00:56:14.000 Yeah, I was just like, I didn't even think, I didn't even know what I was, you know?

00:56:17.000 You were just fucking around.

00:56:18.000 You were just doing it for fun?

00:56:19.000 Yeah.

00:56:19.000 What were you doing for a living back then?

00:56:21.000 I was still in high school when I first started, and then I was just flipping burgers at Burger King, basically.

00:56:27.000 Then I did a psychology degree, just a bachelor's.

00:56:30.000 Some bar tech.

00:56:31.000 I had to work jobs, study, and do jiu-jitsu.

00:56:34.000 So these assholes today, they get to just train.

00:56:36.000 I'm so envious of them.

00:56:38.000 It's just the sport.

00:56:39.000 Again, the sport's growing that much with the sponsorship deals and stuff.

00:56:43.000 So back then, how did you learn technique?

00:56:48.000 Here's the funny thing.

00:56:48.000 I had Eddie Bravo's Mastering the Rubber Guard book.

00:56:50.000 That came to me at a very influential time where I read the chapter about weed.

00:56:53.000 I was like, fuck it, maybe I should start smoking weed.

00:56:56.000 I was thinking I'm going to learn some techniques, ended up smoking weed all the time.

00:57:01.000 Yeah, it doesn't work for everybody.

00:57:03.000 It's interesting, the weed thing, because some people think it makes you lazy, and I think you're just lazy.

00:57:10.000 I think if weed makes you lazy, you're lazy.

00:57:13.000 It makes me think about the consequence.

00:57:17.000 The idea of paranoia, like people talk about weed paranoia, I think it's like a hyper-awareness.

00:57:24.000 And, you know, Eddie once said this to me, like, if your life is shit and you smoke weed, it's going to feel terrible.

00:57:29.000 But if your life is great and you smoke weed, you're going to feel good.

00:57:33.000 Like, if you don't have any problems in your life, you don't have any things you're dealing with, if you've dealt with your problems and you're just, like, on a good path, then weed's good for you.

00:57:41.000 But weed has never made me lazy.

00:57:43.000 It's the opposite.

00:57:44.000 I smoke weed, I always feel like, don't be lazy.

00:57:47.000 You gotta get things to do.

00:57:48.000 You don't want these things fucking with you.

00:57:50.000 You don't want these things hanging over your head.

00:57:52.000 Like, that hyper-awareness, it's like part of my work ethic.

00:57:56.000 You know, like, oversight.

00:58:00.000 Like, someone is looking over me all the time, making sure I can't lie to myself or to other people.

00:58:05.000 Like, I have to do the things I'm actually supposed to do.

00:58:08.000 That's my feeling about it.

00:58:10.000 Well, I mean, I read his book and I was like 17, smoking bongs, driving to training in the car, having pre-workout, getting ready to go to war, you know?

00:58:18.000 That's basically the influence of that on me.

00:58:21.000 But it was good.

00:58:22.000 I think rolling high keeps you fluent.

00:58:24.000 I wouldn't do it all the time.

00:58:26.000 Sometimes I meet guys that are so high that I've just smashed them for a round, but they've done one thing, but they're so fascinated by that, like the perception's off sometimes.

00:58:34.000 I think that's possible, true.

00:58:36.000 That's too.

00:58:36.000 But I've always felt like I was like 10% better when I was high.

00:58:40.000 I really feel like that's quite a few things.

00:58:42.000 You gotta try a couple beers.

00:58:44.000 I'm scared.

00:58:45.000 Beers don't help me.

00:58:46.000 Like when I play pool, if I play pool high, I play way better.

00:58:49.000 If I play pool drunk, I'm not good.

00:58:51.000 Oh, really?

00:58:52.000 Yeah, I think with me, alcohol just makes me not pay attention to shit.

00:58:56.000 Alcohol, for me, is like...

00:58:58.000 I'm not a focused person if I'm drinking.

00:59:02.000 I need that for sport, though.

00:59:03.000 It gives me a false sense of confidence.

00:59:05.000 I think that's useful.

00:59:07.000 Maybe one or two beers.

00:59:09.000 But drunk.

00:59:09.000 Have you ever competed drunk?

00:59:13.000 I've felt it, for sure.

00:59:15.000 It's usually not beer.

00:59:16.000 I usually get vodka soda or something.

00:59:18.000 So if a fan sees, I'm like, no, it's soda water, man.

00:59:21.000 You've done that many times?

00:59:22.000 Were you just to take the edge off?

00:59:24.000 Five, six times.

00:59:25.000 I mean, I had a couple of drinks before the Lovato match because we had the Howl Ahead bottle back there.

00:59:29.000 I was like, hey, come on, throw us some sponsorship money, you know?

00:59:32.000 Get that up, but sadly not.

00:59:36.000 Isn't Howlerhead owned by Dana?

00:59:38.000 Yeah, that was the thing.

00:59:39.000 I was like, go sneak us a bottle back here, man.

00:59:41.000 Put it in the vlog.

00:59:43.000 When you were training and you were learning from books, did you have any videos that you studied?

00:59:51.000 How did you learn techniques other than just books?

00:59:54.000 I'm trying to remember what books I had, man.

00:59:56.000 I had PJ Penn's book, Eddie Bravo's book, the actual textbooks.

01:00:00.000 And then I started...

01:00:02.000 Buying the instructionals.

01:00:03.000 I had Cara Parisians judo for MMA. I had Ryan Halls.

01:00:08.000 He really changed the game with instructionals in the early days.

01:00:11.000 So like stealing all his moves.

01:00:13.000 And then I learned about the world of torrent sites and I started illegally acquiring every instructional I could.

01:00:18.000 And then we'd try to self-learn on the mats, studying these and then drilling the moves.

01:00:23.000 So I was really self-taught up until Purple Bell.

01:00:26.000 Really just focused on using instructionals.

01:00:29.000 And then where'd you go for Purple Belt?

01:00:30.000 Then I moved to Melbourne with Lachlan Giles and basically it was like two and a half years there and then two and a half years with John.

01:00:37.000 That's a crazy little amount of time.

01:00:40.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:00:41.000 A lot of people, obviously, they just notice when you achieve something, you know what I mean?

01:00:45.000 So I trained by myself a long time before I was able to join any big teams.

01:00:51.000 What do you think attributed to your success?

01:00:55.000 I think, I mean, honestly, I don't know.

01:00:57.000 I put in the work in the early days for sure.

01:00:59.000 And then studying, studying, studying, and then just being at the forefront of the leg lock sort of saga, you know, like I got in at the right time.

01:01:07.000 I saw techniques in the gi, like the Birambolo, that were just a new technique that would wipe the floor with experienced black belts.

01:01:14.000 You could use it on people you had no business beating.

01:01:17.000 Those are the techniques I wanted.

01:01:18.000 And I saw the Danaher guys use heel hooks and I was like, man...

01:01:22.000 If I, as a purple belt, can submit some black belts, I'm like, that's the way I gotta go.

01:01:28.000 And so how did you wind up training with John?

01:01:32.000 Well, I mean, I would just...

01:01:34.000 Obviously, Australia is far away.

01:01:35.000 Hard for me to keep doing that 16-hour journey back and forth.

01:01:39.000 I wanted to stay in America, so I just started doing my camps there.

01:01:42.000 That was the best place to do it.

01:01:43.000 It was like 100 people in the room doing Nogi.

01:01:46.000 Obviously, it had that DDS squad there that was awesome.

01:01:50.000 Danaher Focus.

01:01:51.000 At that time, there really weren't too many places in the world that would take Nogi as seriously as those guys.

01:01:56.000 How bad was the staph infections going around down there?

01:01:59.000 I got staph every month.

01:02:01.000 Every month there.

01:02:02.000 How the fuck is that possible?

01:02:05.000 I got it under my eye one time and the doctor was like, bro, if it's your eye, you're fucked.

01:02:09.000 I was like, oh, that's reassuring.

01:02:10.000 Hey, thank you.

01:02:11.000 But yeah, every month I was on it.

01:02:13.000 I remember I used to go trips to Mexico to get some medicine.

01:02:16.000 So I'd go down there, buy a bunch of doxycycline, buy like 90 tablets of it.

01:02:20.000 I'd just sit on it and keep taking them.

01:02:22.000 Used to buy my steroids down in Mexico too.

01:02:25.000 But that probably would fuck Gordon's stomach up.

01:02:29.000 The steroids?

01:02:29.000 No, I mean the antibiotics.

01:02:32.000 I don't think the steroids help.

01:02:34.000 Probably a bit of everything.

01:02:36.000 Who knows?

01:02:37.000 The antibiotics are definitely not good for you.

01:02:38.000 But when you're on antibiotics, he was on antibiotics for a year straight.

01:02:41.000 Which, first of all, is crazy because the amount of discipline it takes to train that much while you're on antibiotics.

01:02:47.000 For people who don't know, antibiotics wreck your cardio.

01:02:50.000 Just wreck your physical strength, wreck your vitality.

01:02:54.000 I got staff once, and I remember I took antibiotics, and I don't think I had ever taken antibiotics before while I was training.

01:03:01.000 And when I was recovering from staff, I was like, this is nuts.

01:03:06.000 I feel like I'm 50%.

01:03:09.000 You're at 50%.

01:03:10.000 Like, when Luke Rockhold beat Chris Weidman, he was on antibiotics.

01:03:13.000 I mean, I've taken it a lot during matches.

01:03:16.000 I've taken it a lot.

01:03:17.000 I've been on it all the time.

01:03:18.000 It fucking wrecks you, though, right?

01:03:20.000 Yeah, I had bad stuff on my leg.

01:03:22.000 Like, even during that Philip Rowe match.

01:03:24.000 I remember I submitted him, and then he had stuff a few days later.

01:03:26.000 I was like, got you twice, mate.

01:03:30.000 But that was bad when the doctor had to cut that open and like squeeze it out.

01:03:33.000 That was horrible.

01:03:33.000 But I think, yeah, the more you take antibiotics, the less effect they have on you.

01:03:37.000 So now I get staph.

01:03:38.000 It's fucking really annoying.

01:03:39.000 Do you use anything to protect your skin?

01:03:41.000 Like do you use defense soap or anything like that?

01:03:44.000 Nah, I just try to shower straight afterwards.

01:03:47.000 Just regular soap?

01:03:48.000 Yeah, anything.

01:03:49.000 I think we have some branded soap in there, but I think it's just important.

01:03:52.000 We're dealing with some people that don't even know how to shower.

01:03:55.000 That's crazy.

01:03:56.000 Yeah, some of them have a quick rinse to get out of there.

01:03:58.000 I would see guys do that when they would train and they would just go home sweaty.

01:04:01.000 I'm like, you're out of your fucking mind.

01:04:03.000 You're allowing that stuff to breathe on your skin while you're in your car.

01:04:07.000 It's hot out.

01:04:08.000 That was Puerto Rico.

01:04:09.000 We had no showers at the gym.

01:04:10.000 Oh, God.

01:04:11.000 So we'd have a 60-minute drive home after each class without having a shower.

01:04:15.000 Oh, that's insane.

01:04:15.000 Not good for the car fabric smell.

01:04:17.000 But was the Puerto Rico gym, wasn't that exposed to sunlight at least?

01:04:21.000 Wasn't the mat exposed to sunlight?

01:04:23.000 Not enough.

01:04:24.000 But you know what?

01:04:25.000 Because I get in the ocean every day.

01:04:26.000 I think maybe that helped.

01:04:27.000 Oh, that probably helps a lot.

01:04:28.000 A lot of sunshine down there, too.

01:04:30.000 Yeah, that probably helps a lot.

01:04:31.000 Sunlight on the mats, apparently, is a great thing.

01:04:34.000 Like, if you could open up garage doors and have sunlight on the mats, apparently that kills a lot of things.

01:04:40.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:04:41.000 I also think sometimes, like, the overtrain, like, your immune system's just down, because maybe you're stressed and sleeping.

01:04:46.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:04:47.000 You're really stressed about a match.

01:04:49.000 A lot of people get staff around a match, because...

01:04:51.000 They push the training up due to the anxiety of the match.

01:04:53.000 They're thinking about it, messes with their sleep, and then they're just vulnerable to it.

01:04:57.000 When you were training, did you ever monitor your heart rate, check your heart rate in the morning, make sure you're not overtraining?

01:05:04.000 You know, I thought about doing that stuff, the HIV stuff.

01:05:07.000 Thought about it.

01:05:08.000 I looked up one of the machines at the time.

01:05:10.000 I was like, fuck, that's expensive, eh?

01:05:11.000 I mean, now I don't monitor anything.

01:05:12.000 I get my blood pressure checked.

01:05:13.000 It's concerning, you know?

01:05:15.000 I almost failed the last two medicals because the doctor was like, bro, your blood pressure is through the roof.

01:05:19.000 Really?

01:05:19.000 I was like, pass it, man.

01:05:20.000 It's jujitsu.

01:05:20.000 It's not MMA. Why would your blood pressure be so high?

01:05:23.000 Good question, eh?

01:05:24.000 Probably too much caffeine.

01:05:26.000 Think that's it?

01:05:27.000 I don't know.

01:05:28.000 We should find out, but I'm busy traveling all the time.

01:05:29.000 I should look into it.

01:05:30.000 You don't know what's wrong?

01:05:33.000 Oh, it freaked me out.

01:05:34.000 My blood pressure was high.

01:05:36.000 Now you're freaking me out now.

01:05:38.000 We'll test it off.

01:05:40.000 I mean, I just feel like...

01:05:42.000 I've got to survive for this shit.

01:05:43.000 I understand, but you're relying on your body.

01:05:47.000 That's your business.

01:05:47.000 Your business is your body.

01:05:49.000 I just hope it's a faulty test.

01:05:51.000 Faulty test for blood pressure?

01:05:52.000 I think those things are 100%.

01:05:54.000 The bicep's too big.

01:05:57.000 I don't think they're ever wrong with blood pressure.

01:05:59.000 I mean, there's factors.

01:06:00.000 You can be stressed out that'll raise up your blood pressure.

01:06:03.000 I was making jokes with a doctor last time.

01:06:05.000 I competed in Dubai, and I was making jokes with him, and he was just not laughing at all.

01:06:10.000 He's not having a day.

01:06:11.000 The Mexican doctor for Karate Combat loved it, but not the Dubai guy.

01:06:15.000 Oh, that's funny.

01:06:17.000 You know the guy in the UFC that finished Kevin Lee real quick, Hinat?

01:06:21.000 He finished Kevin Lee, like, he knocked him down, guillotined him in a minute.

01:06:25.000 Oh, the last guy.

01:06:26.000 Yeah, his last fight.

01:06:28.000 Who was that?

01:06:28.000 I can't remember his last name.

01:06:29.000 Hinat.

01:06:30.000 I can't remember his name.

01:06:32.000 Right.

01:06:32.000 He was crazy, though, man.

01:06:33.000 He did not want to tap.

01:06:34.000 Had him buggy choke, put him in a triangle.

01:06:36.000 There it is.

01:06:37.000 Hinat.

01:06:38.000 How do you say that?

01:06:39.000 Fuckeredov?

01:06:42.000 Give his middle name a crack.

01:06:44.000 Fakredinov.

01:06:45.000 His middle name's tougher, though.

01:06:46.000 Yeah.

01:06:47.000 Wow.

01:06:49.000 Ryashdik...

01:06:50.000 Ryashdivik?

01:06:51.000 He's just like, how can I fucking make Bruce Buffer's life difficult, eh?

01:06:55.000 Yeah, bro.

01:06:56.000 Buffer's got it rough.

01:06:57.000 I got it rough on the...

01:06:58.000 I fuck up all the time on the weigh-ins when I have to do the weigh-ins.

01:07:02.000 Do they get angry with you?

01:07:03.000 Does anyone get angry?

01:07:04.000 No, no.

01:07:05.000 Luckily, no one's gotten angry at me, but it's always a mistake.

01:07:08.000 I've fucked up a few times.

01:07:09.000 It's hard.

01:07:10.000 Those words are hard.

01:07:11.000 Sometimes your mouth just doesn't work right.

01:07:13.000 You know, it just doesn't come out right.

01:07:15.000 I fucked up Umar Nurmagomedov's name once when I was...

01:07:18.000 after his fight.

01:07:20.000 I was like, God damn it.

01:07:22.000 It just came out like...

01:07:23.000 I can't even say it now, hey.

01:07:26.000 It's hard.

01:07:27.000 Zabit was the hardest.

01:07:29.000 Magomed Sharipov.

01:07:31.000 Zabit Magomed Sharipov.

01:07:33.000 That was a guy that I... Fuck, man.

01:07:35.000 I was really bummed out when he stepped out.

01:07:37.000 When he just decided enough's enough.

01:07:39.000 I think he's a doctor now.

01:07:41.000 Really?

01:07:41.000 I think so.

01:07:42.000 Find out what he's doing.

01:07:43.000 Zabit Magomed Sharapov.

01:07:45.000 That guy was fucking good, man.

01:07:47.000 He did some cool shit, yeah.

01:07:49.000 He did some wild shit.

01:07:51.000 He was so interesting because he was from Dagestan, but he fought almost like a karate fighter.

01:07:58.000 Yeah, crazy kicks, man.

01:07:59.000 Yeah, wild kicks, man.

01:08:00.000 And he could do anything.

01:08:01.000 I mean, crazy trips, too.

01:08:03.000 He would do that trip.

01:08:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:06.000 He sort of led the way with that.

01:08:07.000 A lot of guys try to do that one.

01:08:10.000 Yeah, he was very good at that one particular trip.

01:08:13.000 He's just so clever.

01:08:14.000 So clever and creative and such an interesting fighter to watch.

01:08:18.000 I was bummed out, man.

01:08:20.000 Like, really bummed out when that guy retired.

01:08:23.000 I was like, shit!

01:08:24.000 That's why I love traveling around, finding these guys.

01:08:27.000 Like, these mysterious guys.

01:08:28.000 Like, I was in Japan.

01:08:29.000 I could have dinner with Genki Suda.

01:08:31.000 I love that dude.

01:08:32.000 That's the coolest guy ever.

01:08:34.000 He's like a politician now.

01:08:35.000 He's done it all.

01:08:37.000 Remember when he used to carry around that flag with all the flags and we are all one?

01:08:41.000 What a beautiful guy.

01:08:42.000 So cool, man.

01:08:43.000 Win a fight and then hold this up.

01:08:46.000 We are all one.

01:08:47.000 And then he just retired to pursue becoming a pop star and now he's a politician.

01:08:51.000 He was a pop star?

01:08:52.000 Yeah, he owns restaurants.

01:08:53.000 Yeah, have you seen his dancing videos?

01:08:56.000 No.

01:08:56.000 What's it called?

01:08:57.000 Imagine a guy who fights that could probably dance like a motherfucker.

01:08:59.000 Crazy dancing.

01:09:00.000 Genki Sudo won...

01:09:02.000 I forget the name of it.

01:09:03.000 Like, dancing, montage, singing, he does it all.

01:09:06.000 No shit.

01:09:07.000 Wow.

01:09:08.000 I'm not surprised.

01:09:09.000 He's a creative guy.

01:09:10.000 He was creative as a fighter, too.

01:09:12.000 Very interesting fighter to watch.

01:09:14.000 He retired and he became a pop star to grow in popularity.

01:09:19.000 Even fighting wasn't his focus.

01:09:20.000 He just wanted to leverage fighting and becoming a pop star to help him get into politics to help people.

01:09:26.000 He really just wants to help people.

01:09:28.000 So those were side gigs to get him to where he is today, where he can use his political influence to help people in Japan.

01:09:33.000 Wow.

01:09:34.000 That is amazing.

01:09:36.000 Does he...

01:09:36.000 Look at him.

01:09:37.000 Is this him dancing?

01:09:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:41.000 He's got first pitch with all these dudes behind him.

01:09:46.000 Oh, a terrible pitch.

01:09:48.000 Yeah, soft throw.

01:09:51.000 Wow.

01:09:54.000 That's pretty cool.

01:09:55.000 He had some crazy men.

01:09:56.000 Back in that West Side Grappling tournament, he was hitting some moves back then.

01:10:00.000 Oh, yeah, man.

01:10:01.000 Innovative today.

01:10:02.000 Yeah.

01:10:02.000 Wild, explosive, interesting guy.

01:10:06.000 Just very interesting.

01:10:07.000 I mean, that's the kind of thing about the sport that's so cool, is that you get these human beings that are just exceptional human beings that decide to challenge themselves, and one of the most difficult things a person can do.

01:10:18.000 Like Volkanovski.

01:10:19.000 He's a very interesting guy.

01:10:21.000 Because it takes extreme character and will and discipline to become Alexander Volkanovski, the greatest featherweight of all time.

01:10:29.000 It takes a lot to be that person.

01:10:32.000 And you learn a lot just by being around those people.

01:10:36.000 You learn about human potential.

01:10:38.000 I even learn grappling from these guys.

01:10:40.000 People think I show up and I'm just helping them.

01:10:43.000 Those guys are so talented.

01:10:44.000 I steal shit from them as well.

01:10:47.000 I don't know how they do it all.

01:10:48.000 Vox does it all.

01:10:49.000 What have you learned from Vox?

01:10:51.000 I really steal a lot from MMA fighters and how they turtle and get up from there.

01:10:55.000 A lot of grapplers don't understand that until they roll with a good MMA guy and the guy just keeps getting up.

01:11:00.000 And they're like, what is happening?

01:11:02.000 Like Derek Lewis?

01:11:02.000 Yeah, they just get up.

01:11:03.000 He just stands up.

01:11:04.000 I love that.

01:11:04.000 I stole that for an instructional name, Just Stand Up.

01:11:07.000 And I was like, Derek Lewis inspired.

01:11:09.000 No, you did do that, right?

01:11:11.000 You did make a whole instructional about getting up.

01:11:15.000 Yeah.

01:11:16.000 Is it because some guys get just too captured with the idea of engaging and grappling and not getting up?

01:11:22.000 Yeah, well, like, if a guy gets his guard past, a jiu-jitsu guy would just look to get guard back.

01:11:26.000 Whereas, like, sometimes it's good to expose your back and just stand up and reset.

01:11:30.000 Whereas, like, a lot of jiu-jitsu guys are so scared to expose their back, they refuse to ever do it.

01:11:35.000 So it's like when an MMA guy does it, they don't know how to deal with it.

01:11:39.000 They're not as good at dealing with it.

01:11:40.000 It's foreign to them.

01:11:42.000 Interesting.

01:11:42.000 Yeah.

01:11:43.000 Because you don't think about it.

01:11:45.000 Yeah.

01:11:46.000 Well, it's always like when you have new variabilities, new variables, new variables into any sort of fighting discipline.

01:11:53.000 Like, oh, this is a new thing that I didn't consider.

01:11:56.000 Yeah, I love that.

01:11:57.000 That's what I love about Jiu-Jitsu.

01:11:58.000 Jiu-Jitsu can be more complicated.

01:12:00.000 MMA is a bit more simple.

01:12:01.000 So it's like we can make all these instructions in Jiu-Jitsu about all these weird positions like octopus guard and stuff because you can be endlessly creative.

01:12:07.000 Whereas in MMA, the consequences are so strong, severe.

01:12:11.000 It's a much simpler game.

01:12:12.000 It doesn't mean it's easier.

01:12:13.000 There's just less things you can do.

01:12:15.000 Well that's what's interesting is that guys in MMA in general aren't as good at submissions because they have all these other disciplines to consider.

01:12:23.000 It's like when I went from Taekwondo to kickboxing, one of the things that I realized was when people are punching you in the face, There's a lot of stuff you can't do.

01:12:34.000 But if people aren't punching you in the face, damn, you get good at kicking.

01:12:38.000 And so these guys who are used to getting punched in the face, there's stuff that they don't have the dexterity, they don't have the ability to do, and I don't know if you develop that to the same extent.

01:12:49.000 When you see guys like Wonderboy, who started out with karate, that guy can do stuff with his legs that the average person can't do.

01:12:58.000 You know, or Yair.

01:13:00.000 Yair Rodriguez.

01:13:01.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:13:02.000 Ooh!

01:13:03.000 My God, that guy.

01:13:04.000 He's one of my favorite guys to watch because his fucking kicks are crazy.

01:13:08.000 They just come from everywhere.

01:13:09.000 Who's he fighting next?

01:13:10.000 That's a good question.

01:13:11.000 Did he just fight?

01:13:12.000 Was Otega his last fight?

01:13:13.000 I believe...

01:13:16.000 Was that his last fight?

01:13:18.000 Let's say pull up Yair Rodriguez, but let's just find out what Yair Rodriguez's next fight is.

01:13:23.000 I don't know if they've announced it.

01:13:25.000 I haven't heard anything.

01:13:26.000 Yeah, it's funny, when you're in the, when you're friends with a bunch of MMA fighters, sometimes they let you know of a fight that's not been announced, you're like, fuck, I better not say.

01:13:32.000 Right.

01:13:33.000 Better not drop the news, get in trouble.

01:13:34.000 Yeah, that happens all the time.

01:13:36.000 Yeah, I fuck up a few times.

01:13:38.000 Does it say?

01:13:39.000 Nothing booked.

01:13:42.000 Was it with Tiger's last one?

01:13:45.000 Yeah.

01:13:47.000 So he lost to Ortega.

01:13:49.000 And before that, Volkanovski.

01:13:52.000 Volkanovski beat his ass.

01:13:53.000 That was a prime Volkanovski display.

01:13:57.000 Yeah, that was crazy.

01:13:59.000 That man, yeah, he just...

01:14:00.000 He's just so strong.

01:14:02.000 He's a mauler.

01:14:03.000 Outmuscled him in the clinch.

01:14:04.000 And we worked on a bunch of stuff because of how dangerous his guard is.

01:14:07.000 Like, he's got a dangerous guard.

01:14:09.000 And we had to overcome the fact that, like...

01:14:11.000 If you leave space against him, he throws elbows that cut you.

01:14:14.000 So we had to navigate those areas, and really it was good.

01:14:18.000 Training Vox for a guy like Yai is awesome, because when he's on bottom, there's a big contingent of Mexican MMA fighters that have really dangerous guards.

01:14:27.000 Diego Lopez trains there.

01:14:28.000 I think he's from Manaus originally, but he trains a bunch of guys there.

01:14:33.000 And just aggressive bottom game, where if you leave space, they throw elbows.

01:14:36.000 And if you're close, they're trying to set up high guards and submissions.

01:14:40.000 So it's like, we really had to prepare for how dangerous he is there.

01:14:43.000 He's one of the front runners, in my opinion.

01:14:46.000 First of all, how the fuck does that guy make 145?

01:14:49.000 Shredded, yeah.

01:14:50.000 He's just finishing everyone, hey?

01:14:51.000 He's so dangerous, man.

01:14:54.000 You know, who did he fight?

01:14:55.000 Super Sadiq Yusuf in his last fight?

01:14:58.000 He stopped him in the first round?

01:15:00.000 Before that fight, I was telling everybody, I was like, I think this guy's the guy.

01:15:03.000 I think he's the next guy to emerge.

01:15:05.000 I wonder who he's booked against.

01:15:06.000 I remember his first fight was like short notice against...

01:15:10.000 Mosvar.

01:15:10.000 Yeah, I thought he won.

01:15:12.000 It was very close.

01:15:13.000 And Mosvar is undefeated and one of the best guys in the division.

01:15:17.000 But Diego's scary.

01:15:19.000 It's not just that he's good, he's fucking scary.

01:15:22.000 He's intense.

01:15:23.000 And from everywhere, like submissions, knockouts.

01:15:25.000 Submissions, knockouts, and his fucking stand-up is horrific.

01:15:28.000 Yeah, Yair just climbed Mount Everest.

01:15:31.000 Jesus Christ, Yair!

01:15:33.000 That's the most recent thing I could say.

01:15:34.000 Fucking relax, bro.

01:15:36.000 He's that tough.

01:15:37.000 He doesn't even look like he's fucking wearing anything warm.

01:15:40.000 He's out birdwatching.

01:15:42.000 Look at he's got a fucking giant pack on, walking around rucking.

01:15:46.000 That's a good way to develop some cardio, I'll tell you that.

01:15:49.000 It looks fine, but I definitely want someone else to hold the bag, hey.

01:15:52.000 No, that's how you get the cardio.

01:15:53.000 You have to carry the bag on your back.

01:15:55.000 That's the whole idea.

01:15:56.000 He can't.

01:15:57.000 It looks fun.

01:15:59.000 What are the guys that help you up the mountain?

01:16:00.000 Those guys.

01:16:01.000 Yeah, the Sherpas.

01:16:02.000 Yeah.

01:16:02.000 But I think he's trying to get fit.

01:16:05.000 I think that's the whole idea behind it.

01:16:06.000 It's interesting when a guy like that is just so good at one area, which is kicking, and very good off his back submission.

01:16:15.000 But then struggles in a couple other areas.

01:16:17.000 He's almost there.

01:16:19.000 He's right there at the tippy top, but not quite at the level of the guys that are beating him.

01:16:26.000 Remember when he lost to Frankie?

01:16:28.000 Came back from that and just become a much better fighter.

01:16:31.000 Much better fighter.

01:16:33.000 People counted him out a couple times.

01:16:35.000 He almost reinvented himself.

01:16:37.000 Surprised people, you know?

01:16:38.000 That happens so often.

01:16:39.000 Like, people counted out Max Holloway.

01:16:41.000 You know, Max Holloway, the last fight with Volk, Volk dominated.

01:16:44.000 And, you know, Max just said, hey, that was his night.

01:16:48.000 He had a great night.

01:16:49.000 And that is a fact of fighting, too.

01:16:51.000 Like, sometimes a guy will clip you in the first round, and you're kind of not the same.

01:16:56.000 But if he didn't clip you, maybe you would have won.

01:16:58.000 Like, maybe, you know, maybe if you...

01:17:00.000 Like, Justin Gaethje, Max Holloway, he gets caught with that jump-spinning back kick to the nose at the end of the first round.

01:17:06.000 Shattered his nose.

01:17:08.000 That's a big factor.

01:17:09.000 Big factor.

01:17:10.000 Doesn't land that.

01:17:11.000 Who knows?

01:17:12.000 Fight was a fucking amazing fight still, even with that shattered nose.

01:17:16.000 Crazy.

01:17:16.000 I was watching that.

01:17:17.000 I was in Dubai for Karate Combat, and I was watching that at the breakfast buffet with all the staff at the buffet at the hotel I was at.

01:17:22.000 We were all going crazy.

01:17:23.000 I brought the laptop down, eating omelets.

01:17:25.000 That's the fucking craziest fight ever.

01:17:27.000 It was the craziest fight ever.

01:17:29.000 In the last 10 seconds, when Max points to the floor, a fight that he's winning, Four rounds to one?

01:17:35.000 Crazy!

01:17:36.000 To just call the guy out?

01:17:38.000 We gotta do that in jiu-jitsu, like give each other a leg, let's fucking go.

01:17:41.000 I don't think that's the same.

01:17:44.000 We just both get broken?

01:17:45.000 Well, that's an interesting thing about like the EBI rules.

01:17:49.000 How do you like those rules?

01:17:50.000 The rules where when it goes to overtime, you start either on a person's back or you start from what they call spiderweb, which is, you know, side control, like trying to get an arm.

01:17:59.000 I mean, I like anything creative like that that's going to force people to train those different areas.

01:18:04.000 But the majority of the sport, especially old school guys, don't like it.

01:18:08.000 It's very difficult to get them to compete under those rules.

01:18:10.000 Me, personally, I like any rule set I can beat a guy in.

01:18:13.000 So I had Philippe Penner match and the UFC Fight Pass guys were like, oh, what rule set should we do?

01:18:18.000 And I was like, I think EBI is pretty good, you know?

01:18:20.000 But I like the rule set strategically.

01:18:24.000 Against particular opponents, but you know, like Kyle Bain, 10th Planet guy, one of the best overtime guys in the world.

01:18:30.000 If I had a match with him, I'd be like, nah, we'll just do a regular rules match, you know?

01:18:33.000 Right.

01:18:34.000 So it's sort of strategy-based.

01:18:37.000 Right, based on the opponent's strengths.

01:18:39.000 Even Nicky wrote against Gordon.

01:18:41.000 They went to OT, and it was fucking close.

01:18:45.000 That is very stressful.

01:18:47.000 It's exciting.

01:18:48.000 It's exciting.

01:18:49.000 But if guys get submitted in those areas, sometimes people don't consider it real, even though it is.

01:18:54.000 They're like, oh, it's an overtime victory.

01:18:56.000 You didn't really submit him.

01:18:57.000 But you did.

01:18:58.000 Right.

01:18:59.000 When Nicky grabbed that foot.

01:19:01.000 Yeah, just fucking ripped it, eh?

01:19:03.000 I mean, how bad is his leg fucked up still?

01:19:05.000 You gotta think, like, that's doing some damage.

01:19:08.000 I just think, like, what was hilarious about that is, like, he was meant...

01:19:12.000 Gordon's meant to face Vinny Margulash.

01:19:14.000 And no disrespect to Vinny.

01:19:16.000 Vinny's just at a later stage of his career, right?

01:19:18.000 Vinny, when he was young, was a monster.

01:19:19.000 Was incredible.

01:19:21.000 And then it's like, two days before, they flipped the script and you got Nicky Rod.

01:19:25.000 Yeah.

01:19:26.000 And you know what I mean?

01:19:26.000 And I can just picture him just getting his foot broken, being like, what the fuck?

01:19:32.000 What the fuck just happened, you know?

01:19:33.000 When I watched it, I was like, Jesus Christ, that is a lot.

01:19:37.000 And Nicky is such a gorilla.

01:19:38.000 It was loud.

01:19:39.000 So loud.

01:19:40.000 It was like, you heard the snap, eh?

01:19:43.000 Sometimes, though, you get popped and it's so fast that the damage is already done and you're just like, well, it's already injured, let's keep going, you know?

01:19:51.000 Right.

01:19:51.000 But obviously some of the submissions are holding tension points, slowly breaking, but the ones that are quick, sometimes guys don't tap because it's like you didn't even have time to process it.

01:19:59.000 Well, what about the one with you and Vinny, where you broke his leg?

01:20:02.000 That was disgusting, yeah.

01:20:03.000 That still haunts me, hey.

01:20:05.000 But yeah, I don't know why he did that.

01:20:07.000 How the fuck did he keep going?

01:20:08.000 Why did he keep going?

01:20:10.000 But that's just it.

01:20:10.000 You've got to be careful what shit talk you say.

01:20:13.000 I try to be careful with what I say.

01:20:15.000 I'm never going to be like, leg locks don't work.

01:20:17.000 Because he got put in a leg lock in 20 seconds and his leg broke.

01:20:20.000 And it's like, now you're committed to the bit.

01:20:22.000 Was he saying leg locks don't work?

01:20:24.000 Yeah, he's like, leg locks don't work.

01:20:25.000 And then his leg exploded.

01:20:27.000 And I'm like...

01:20:28.000 That's such a crazy thing to say.

01:20:29.000 Leg locks don't work.

01:20:30.000 It's because he had had matches with Gary and Gordon and they got some pops on him.

01:20:33.000 But he hadn't submitted.

01:20:36.000 So maybe they laid the groundwork for me, but I think a spiral fracture of his fibula, his ankle, yeah, disturbing.

01:20:46.000 That was where I was like, bro, I wouldn't let that happen for a million.

01:20:49.000 I don't know how much Chael Sonnen's paying you, but it must be more than me.

01:20:52.000 I just think it's his pride, you know, just didn't want to tap.

01:20:56.000 But the fact that he kept going after the leg snapped, that was loud.

01:21:02.000 Yeah, that was loud.

01:21:03.000 And the second one, I saw the bone poking into the skin.

01:21:06.000 Like, if I'd kept going, it would have probably, like, his whatever bone fragment would have come out.

01:21:11.000 And I was just like, I was nervous.

01:21:14.000 I was like, bro, is this guy waiting for overtime?

01:21:15.000 Like, he just didn't want to tap.

01:21:17.000 But then the ref caught it because his leg was dangling.

01:21:20.000 I did the first heel hook, and then the second one, I baited him where I pretended like I was going for his other leg.

01:21:26.000 So he gave me the bad one again.

01:21:27.000 But he was laughing because he was like, fuck, I couldn't have you break both my legs.

01:21:31.000 That's like Monty Python.

01:21:34.000 Oh my God.

01:21:35.000 So you knew it was already broken?

01:21:38.000 So my foot hit the ground at the exact second his leg snapped in half.

01:21:44.000 So for a second, like I felt a little bit of crunching, but I didn't hear it.

01:21:49.000 Everyone else in the room heard it.

01:21:52.000 And then he gets out of it and I was just like, wow, this fucking guy's flexible, eh?

01:21:56.000 And then he says to me, he goes, I think you broke my leg.

01:21:59.000 Oh no, he said it in the middle of the match?

01:22:01.000 Yeah, we start talking, and I'm just like, what's happening here?

01:22:05.000 How strange.

01:22:06.000 And I was like, you want to keep going?

01:22:08.000 Alright.

01:22:09.000 And I ended up back with the same leg.

01:22:12.000 And it was just no resistance.

01:22:14.000 His ankle just did a fall.

01:22:16.000 It just kept going.

01:22:17.000 See if you can find that, Jamie.

01:22:18.000 It's horrible.

01:22:19.000 That was the most disturbing jujitsu match I've ever watched.

01:22:23.000 Yeah, I just couldn't understand.

01:22:24.000 I was just like, bro, why are you making me do this?

01:22:26.000 Yeah, Vinny, please tap.

01:22:27.000 You're giving me trauma.

01:22:28.000 I remember watching it with this look on my face.

01:22:32.000 Don't fucking...

01:22:33.000 I just felt bad for him because he's a fucking good guy.

01:22:36.000 And I was just like, man, did you not tap because you said leg locks don't work?

01:22:39.000 Were you committed to it?

01:22:39.000 It was quick, though.

01:22:41.000 It was a quick break.

01:22:42.000 Doesn't he still have a plate in there?

01:22:44.000 Honestly, I don't know.

01:22:46.000 But he came back and competed against Mason Fowler maybe four or five months later.

01:22:51.000 That's crazy.

01:22:52.000 And it's just like, you're getting some mileage on the body there, bro.

01:22:55.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 Is it worth it?

01:22:58.000 I mean, better than the tibia, I guess.

01:23:01.000 The fibula, I've cracked my fibula before.

01:23:03.000 It's not as bad.

01:23:05.000 It's a small bone, you know, and they can just let it fix, you know, let it heal up once they screw it together.

01:23:13.000 I wouldn't let it break.

01:23:14.000 I'd be like...

01:23:14.000 Uh-uh.

01:23:16.000 Yeah.

01:23:17.000 The noise is bad.

01:23:17.000 I've broken a few legs and I'm just like, whoa.

01:23:20.000 So here it is.

01:23:21.000 Is this before?

01:23:22.000 There's the first ones with the breaks at the start of the match.

01:23:25.000 So his legs are already broken here.

01:23:27.000 If you go to like 20 seconds.

01:23:29.000 Yeah, that right there.

01:23:30.000 So we hit like a 50-50 inversion.

01:23:33.000 You might want to turn that knee down and pull this leg out.

01:23:36.000 He's actually in a little bit deep.

01:23:39.000 Oh!

01:23:41.000 Oh, dude!

01:23:43.000 Yeah, so look at his...

01:23:44.000 Oh, dude, you hear it!

01:23:46.000 Oh!

01:23:47.000 Look at his foot!

01:23:48.000 Look where his foot is!

01:23:49.000 And then he tries to get me.

01:23:50.000 Oh, my!

01:23:52.000 I let go of it because I was like...

01:23:53.000 I do not know how he got out of it.

01:23:55.000 I was like, he can't let his leg break and then me just out.

01:23:57.000 For the rubber guard, I guess we got rubber knee.

01:24:00.000 He's huge here, too.

01:24:02.000 That was one of Craig's best positions and he got to it with...

01:24:05.000 Dude, the sound is so awful.

01:24:08.000 The sound of Broken Bones, I never get it.

01:24:10.000 Like, Chris Weidman, when he fought Uriah Hall, it was like full power, and Uriah checked it, and you see, snap!

01:24:19.000 You hear the snap, and you see his leg bend over, like, uh...

01:24:24.000 That's where it's like, it's crazy how people react to that shit where Conor McGregor was still just talking shit.

01:24:28.000 That's fucking hilarious to me.

01:24:31.000 He's such a psychopath.

01:24:32.000 He never missed a moment.

01:24:33.000 He didn't even have the painkilling whistle yet, but he was ready for some shit talking.

01:24:37.000 Did you see him partying like a night or two ago?

01:24:40.000 You reckon real?

01:24:42.000 I mean, it doesn't mean he's drinking.

01:24:45.000 He's vibing.

01:24:46.000 He's with his wife.

01:24:48.000 He's got his shirt off.

01:24:48.000 Looks like he's having a good time.

01:24:51.000 I mean, it looked like he wasn't sober, but he could just be a fucking maniac.

01:24:55.000 It's mind games, though, maybe.

01:24:57.000 It could be that.

01:24:57.000 Yeah.

01:24:58.000 That's what I did with Lovato.

01:24:59.000 I kept talking about how I was partying all the time, and I was.

01:25:02.000 But I was like, maybe it's going to mess with you.

01:25:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:05.000 Right, right, right.

01:25:06.000 So here's Connor, and he's kissing his wife.

01:25:09.000 He took his shirt off.

01:25:12.000 He's getting crazy.

01:25:14.000 But, I mean, he could just be enthusiastic.

01:25:17.000 Right.

01:25:19.000 I don't know.

01:25:20.000 It looks a little fucked up.

01:25:22.000 Listen, I saw a roadhouse.

01:25:23.000 He ain't that good actor.

01:25:26.000 Shane Gillis has an amazing bit about Roadhouse.

01:25:29.000 You have to see it.

01:25:30.000 Oh, really?

01:25:30.000 It's so fucking funny.

01:25:32.000 He's a legend.

01:25:33.000 I want to get him involved in this.

01:25:34.000 I want to get some comedians commentating, just shit-talking the grappling world, you know?

01:25:38.000 Oh, that's funny.

01:25:39.000 We'd have to get guys who know some grappling.

01:25:41.000 Joey Diaz.

01:25:42.000 Joey Diaz would be amazing.

01:25:44.000 Surprise interviews on people.

01:25:45.000 I think it'd be fucking...

01:25:46.000 Oh, he'd be amazing.

01:25:47.000 Well, he wouldn't do interviews, I don't think.

01:25:48.000 He wouldn't be good at that, but he'd be good at commentary.

01:25:50.000 Get him in the booth.

01:25:51.000 Just get him talking shit.

01:25:53.000 Yeah.

01:25:53.000 Fucking people's names up.

01:25:54.000 I'll get him to corner me against Gabby.

01:25:57.000 He might do it.

01:26:01.000 You never know.

01:26:02.000 I cornered Hegan in Abu Dhabi.

01:26:04.000 Oh, you did?

01:26:04.000 In 2003. He didn't have anybody with him.

01:26:06.000 I said, Joe Hogan.

01:26:08.000 He said, just tell me when the time.

01:26:10.000 Because Hegan hadn't been trained that much.

01:26:13.000 He wasn't in the best of shape.

01:26:14.000 Let me know what time.

01:26:16.000 You know, just yelling out what the time is.

01:26:18.000 Yeah, that's what I say sometimes.

01:26:19.000 If I don't have a...

01:26:21.000 Like, if I'm just like, just let me know the time.

01:26:23.000 Yeah.

01:26:23.000 Let me know if you think I'm burning too much gas or I'm too relaxed.

01:26:26.000 You know, I'm like, that's the key here.

01:26:28.000 Right, right.

01:26:29.000 Having Joey Diaz in your corner would be fucking hysterical.

01:26:32.000 Alex Jones wanted to do it, but I'm like, ooh.

01:26:36.000 That's a tough guy to get involved with the charities.

01:26:38.000 Our foundation, with my business partner Seth, our foundation's called the Fair Fight Foundation, and I'm just like, it's probably not good to start it with fighting a woman, but it's a bold move.

01:26:46.000 Well, that's a fair fight, though.

01:26:47.000 She's so big.

01:26:48.000 I mean, she might outweigh you by, what do you walk around at?

01:26:51.000 205. She got a few pounds of me, for sure.

01:26:53.000 At least 40 pounds.

01:26:55.000 Last night we were video calling each other and we were both taking Aniva.

01:26:58.000 And I was like, I popped a 50 and she popped a 25. I was like, you need more than that to beat me, you pussy.

01:27:07.000 I took some screenshots.

01:27:08.000 Hey, I don't know if I'll release it.

01:27:10.000 That's hilarious.

01:27:12.000 I should talk her to get the contract signed.

01:27:14.000 You should have Joey Diaz do commentary for that fight.

01:27:18.000 That would be the perfect fight for him to do commentary for.

01:27:21.000 Yeah, just commentate.

01:27:22.000 Yeah, because Joey does jiu-jitsu.

01:27:24.000 He knows a little bit.

01:27:25.000 He definitely knows positions, and he talks so much shit.

01:27:28.000 He's just so hilarious.

01:27:29.000 I'm going to take it serious, but I am going to come out in a white tank top smoking a cigarette, probably.

01:27:34.000 I'll put it on the corner of the mat and see if I'm going to finish it before it finishes.

01:27:40.000 Wow.

01:27:41.000 Yeah, well, having something like that would definitely be an added element of fun.

01:27:45.000 Some fun, the tournament series, obviously you guys are going to be killing each other, and then a bit of entertainment, you know?

01:27:52.000 A bit of a battle of the sexes, I guess you could say.

01:27:56.000 Definitely that.

01:27:57.000 Sort of.

01:27:59.000 A battle of the enhanced sexes.

01:28:02.000 Yeah, who's more enhanced though?

01:28:04.000 Yeah, she is.

01:28:05.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:28:06.000 I got to know her stack.

01:28:07.000 I wish what I wanted to do was run an event where we drug tested, but it was anonymous.

01:28:12.000 And just for my own personal enjoyment.

01:28:13.000 Just find out what the levels are.

01:28:15.000 I want to see who took the most of anything, you know?

01:28:17.000 Right.

01:28:18.000 See if there's any halo testing in there or something.

01:28:19.000 It would be fun to see, like, what...

01:28:23.000 Because jujitsu is an open steroid-using event.

01:28:26.000 Have you heard of the Enhanced Games?

01:28:28.000 Oh yeah, yeah, I was reading about that.

01:28:30.000 I'm having those guys on.

01:28:31.000 So the Enhanced Games is this, they're going to allow all the athletes to take performance enhancing drugs.

01:28:38.000 And the idea is like we should have athletes perform to the best way, I mean I'm putting words in their mouth, but that's scientifically possible.

01:28:47.000 In the best way scientifically possible.

01:28:49.000 For instance, this Ryan Garcia fight.

01:28:53.000 Ryan Garcia, he beats Devin Haney, spectacular fashion, looks amazing, pops for Osterine.

01:29:01.000 Very low doses of Osterine, which are not going to affect him in terms of performance enhancing ability during the fight itself.

01:29:09.000 I don't know how he took it or what he took it.

01:29:11.000 I know people have got an Osterene accident.

01:29:14.000 Like, Sugar Sean O'Malley got it through tainted supplements.

01:29:17.000 They proved it.

01:29:18.000 It's more than once that's happened.

01:29:20.000 Yoel?

01:29:21.000 Yoel.

01:29:21.000 Yeah, he sued.

01:29:22.000 Yoel sued and won.

01:29:23.000 Yeah, which is, if you would think anybody would not be fucking natural, it's that guy.

01:29:27.000 How does he still look like he does?

01:29:29.000 Insane.

01:29:29.000 The Cuban fucking athlete program.

01:29:31.000 That's how.

01:29:32.000 He's grappling.

01:29:33.000 He's taking a grappling match in Britain against a grappler, Owen Livesey.

01:29:37.000 So we'll see him have a grappling match.

01:29:38.000 Owen's a beast.

01:29:40.000 That's very interesting.

01:29:41.000 Who do you think takes it?

01:29:42.000 That's a good question.

01:29:43.000 It's a very good question.

01:29:45.000 I think Yoel was one of the very best Cuban wrestlers ever.

01:29:49.000 I mean, he's a fucking tank.

01:29:51.000 Yeah, silver medal at the Olympics, Adam Saitaf beat him, right?

01:29:55.000 Yeah.

01:29:56.000 Yeah.

01:29:57.000 I mean, he's a monster, man.

01:29:58.000 And physically, he's just such an imposing force.

01:30:02.000 Like, Luke Rockhold said that it...

01:30:04.000 Robert Whittaker said the same thing.

01:30:06.000 He said, it hurts when you hit him.

01:30:07.000 It's like he's made out of metal.

01:30:09.000 Probably hurts when he kisses you as well.

01:30:11.000 That was rough.

01:30:13.000 That's a rough way to go.

01:30:15.000 Well, you know, Luke likes to talk shit, and you talk shit to that guy.

01:30:21.000 He did the salsa dancing for the press conference.

01:30:23.000 That was the best too, picking women out of the crowd.

01:30:25.000 You don't want it to take your missus.

01:30:26.000 You'd be like, fucking sit back down.

01:30:28.000 I know, exactly.

01:30:30.000 That guy's such a fucking animal.

01:30:31.000 I mean, I really wish he'd gotten into MMA earlier in his career.

01:30:35.000 It would have been amazing to see because I think when he entered the UFC, he was in his late 30s.

01:30:39.000 Yeah, he's up there now.

01:30:41.000 He's 46 now.

01:30:42.000 That's crazy.

01:30:42.000 And he still looks amazing.

01:30:44.000 That's Randy Ketua.

01:30:45.000 Yeah, but he doesn't look 46. Randy looked like a strong 46-year-old.

01:30:50.000 I need that Cuban stack.

01:30:52.000 Yeah.

01:30:52.000 His stack is not...

01:30:54.000 I mean, I've told this story before for people that have heard it.

01:30:56.000 I'm sorry.

01:30:56.000 But one of the things that happened to Yoel when he got injured, he fought in the UFC and then they brought him to a doctor.

01:31:03.000 He had an orbital fracture and some other issues.

01:31:07.000 They brought him to the doctor and the doctor said to the UFC, he said, where did you get this guy?

01:31:11.000 And he's like, yeah, he's amazing, right?

01:31:13.000 He goes, no, you don't understand.

01:31:14.000 He goes, I've never seen a human being like this before.

01:31:17.000 The tendons in his eyes are three times larger than a normal person's.

01:31:22.000 He said his orbital bone is already healing.

01:31:25.000 So this guy's a freak.

01:31:26.000 How do I get to that level?

01:31:28.000 I think you got to be born in Cuba.

01:31:31.000 Better genetics.

01:31:32.000 They start messing around.

01:31:33.000 Those shitty convicts genetics from Australia.

01:31:37.000 I think it's...

01:31:38.000 I just wonder what they do in Cuba for their athletes.

01:31:42.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:31:43.000 I mean, without casting any aspersions in terms of performance enhancing supplements.

01:31:47.000 There's only one way to find out.

01:31:49.000 Yeah, go there.

01:31:50.000 Ask them.

01:31:51.000 I don't know.

01:31:51.000 You know, I don't know what they did.

01:31:53.000 But, I mean, the guy's like Wolverine.

01:31:55.000 But he's also a genetic specimen.

01:31:57.000 I mean, there's only so much you could do with steroids.

01:32:00.000 I mean, that guy...

01:32:00.000 I know, I've tried.

01:32:02.000 You don't even lift weights, which is so crazy.

01:32:04.000 You're taking steroids without lifting weights.

01:32:06.000 I mean, from time to time, you know, just no good lifting program.

01:32:10.000 A few pull-ups here and there.

01:32:12.000 Yeah, but that's just not...

01:32:13.000 I don't think steroids are gonna...

01:32:14.000 Well, they're gonna help you recover and train...

01:32:18.000 Yeah, it definitely helped your well-being, I think.

01:32:22.000 Yeah, well, if you're training 365, that's the argument, right?

01:32:25.000 If you're training 365 days a year, like, that's also the argument for, like, Tour de France.

01:32:30.000 You know, I've heard it argued from people that really are experts that you're actually healthier to take steroids and performance-enhancing drugs to do Tour de France than you are without it.

01:32:41.000 Because your body just can't recover without it.

01:32:43.000 It's just so grueling.

01:32:44.000 It's such a brutal race.

01:32:45.000 There's a reason why so many of them are blood doping, so many of them are...

01:32:48.000 Taking EPO and testosterone.

01:32:50.000 I always wanted to try EPO. Actually, some people criticize me for saying I take steroids in jiu-jitsu, but the way I look at it is...

01:32:58.000 The kids, the next generation, they're going to take it anyway.

01:33:01.000 I at least want to put out my exact stack and I just want to send it out as almost like...

01:33:06.000 It's like drugs.

01:33:08.000 Just saying no doesn't work.

01:33:09.000 It's like I want to let them know I'm taking a safe amount under doctor's guidance and that it's not a mystery where they're thinking like I have to pump one gram a week and all this stuff to compete at a high level.

01:33:18.000 So it's like a middle ground.

01:33:20.000 Obviously you get criticized for it, but it's like...

01:33:23.000 The other option is they don't know what a high-level athlete's taking and they fucking ruin their body taking crazy dosages.

01:33:28.000 Well, it would be interesting, like, what would jujitsu look like if steroids weren't legal?

01:33:33.000 I mean, one of the things we found out when USADA came into the UFC, even though there was previous drug testing, it was really only during the weigh-ins.

01:33:42.000 Which is kind of just an intelligence test.

01:33:44.000 That's all it is.

01:33:45.000 Like, when you look at Alistair Overeem versus Brock Lesnar, the idea that either one of those motherfuckers is clean is crazy talk.

01:33:52.000 That's crazy talk.

01:33:52.000 Especially Alistair.

01:33:54.000 I mean, Alistair was, he fought, when he fought 205, when he fought, look at, like, back when he fought Chuck Liddell at 205, and then look at him at 265. He gained 60 pounds.

01:34:05.000 And he looks like a fucking superhero.

01:34:07.000 Uberim, like those days, like when he won the K-1 Grand Prix, and when he beat Brock Lesnar.

01:34:13.000 Patahari and stuff.

01:34:14.000 Oh my god.

01:34:14.000 I love it when they said the old days was an intelligence test, because many guys still failed that intelligence test.

01:34:19.000 Well, you know what it is?

01:34:20.000 You know how it is.

01:34:21.000 Like, you're in gyms, you have gym bros that are coaching you, they don't really know what the fuck they're talking about, but they say a lot of good, big words.

01:34:27.000 Yeah.

01:34:28.000 And you go, oh, this guy knows how to pass the test.

01:34:30.000 And you rely on these meatheads to try to pass the test.

01:34:33.000 You need Victor Conte on the line, hey.

01:34:35.000 Well, there's people that have those people.

01:34:37.000 I'm sure there's people...

01:34:38.000 I'm just guessing, just throwing it out there.

01:34:40.000 But I don't think everyone's clean.

01:34:43.000 I think there's probably some really...

01:34:45.000 There's so much money involved in MMA now.

01:34:48.000 There's probably some really sophisticated scientists that are working with elite athletes, and they're developing protocols that are either undetectable or they have a short-lasting...

01:35:00.000 Which is probably why USAID wakes you up at 6 o'clock in the morning.

01:35:05.000 You know, the idea is like to catch you while it's still in your system if you have short-acting stuff that's...

01:35:10.000 Yeah, like a test propionate or something, like the water-based...

01:35:13.000 Yeah.

01:35:14.000 Like, weren't they doing that in baseball?

01:35:16.000 They were taking, like, testosterone gummies.

01:35:18.000 And the idea is that they metabolize so quickly that you get the effect of them, but then they're out of your system by the time you get tested.

01:35:26.000 I tried those.

01:35:27.000 It tasted like shit, you know?

01:35:29.000 I don't know if they did anything.

01:35:30.000 I mean, it's fucking gummy with testosterone in it.

01:35:33.000 How could it taste good?

01:35:35.000 You'd throw it under the tongue.

01:35:36.000 What does it taste like?

01:35:38.000 Just bad, hey.

01:35:39.000 Like chemical?

01:35:40.000 Yeah, like it sits there a while.

01:35:41.000 I remember I was trying to get legal steroids in Australia when I was coming up and I just couldn't do it.

01:35:45.000 My doctor gave me the testosterone gummies and I was like, fuck this shit.

01:35:49.000 It's like, I felt like it wouldn't work.

01:35:51.000 In Australia, what are the laws like?

01:35:54.000 I mean, here, I think any GP can prescribe testosterone.

01:35:58.000 In Australia, you have to be like an endocrinologist.

01:36:00.000 They added a layer to it, and it's hard to see an endocrinologist that's going to give testosterone to a young, healthy dude, you know?

01:36:08.000 Right.

01:36:08.000 Guys back there would do all sorts of crazy shit.

01:36:10.000 They'd not sleep for a couple of days.

01:36:11.000 They'd beat off a bunch of times, try and crash the levels, go get the blood check.

01:36:15.000 The doctor's like, oh, your test is low.

01:36:17.000 Yeah.

01:36:18.000 Well, another thing, the problem with the test being low, this is what they found when they did it.

01:36:23.000 They had testosterone use exemptions in the UFC for a brief amount of time, a few years.

01:36:27.000 And those are the Vitor Belfort years.

01:36:30.000 And the problem is, when a guy's done steroids his whole life, his endocrine system is fucked up already.

01:36:36.000 So you go in there and they test your testosterone levels and you're like, wow, your levels are super low.

01:36:40.000 Like, you need testosterone.

01:36:42.000 Like, thank you.

01:36:43.000 But the reason why they're low is because you've been on steroids your whole life.

01:36:46.000 Yeah, your buddy doesn't make it anymore.

01:36:48.000 Yeah.

01:36:48.000 I mean, you look at Vitor from the early days.

01:36:52.000 Like, Vitor in UFC 12, when he fought Scott Ferrozo and Trey Telegman, he weighed like 200 pounds.

01:37:00.000 They used to call him Vito Gracie back then or something.

01:37:02.000 Victor.

01:37:03.000 Victor Gracie.

01:37:04.000 I was training at a school.

01:37:05.000 Why'd they throw the C in there?

01:37:06.000 I don't know.

01:37:07.000 It was a K. Oh, a K. Victor.

01:37:08.000 Yeah, it was...

01:37:09.000 I don't know.

01:37:10.000 I don't understand it.

01:37:11.000 I don't know why they did that.

01:37:13.000 And I know that...

01:37:14.000 I think they were threatening to sue him if he used the Gracie name.

01:37:18.000 I think someone...

01:37:19.000 You're not protective of that shit, hey.

01:37:20.000 Yes.

01:37:21.000 I think it was Orion.

01:37:22.000 Orion was very...

01:37:23.000 Ixon.

01:37:25.000 Representing the man?

01:37:25.000 Yeah, where'd you get that?

01:37:27.000 Some brand sent it to me.

01:37:28.000 I like it that way.

01:37:29.000 It's a dope shirt.

01:37:30.000 I should remember the name.

01:37:31.000 He was the fucking man, huh?

01:37:32.000 What's its name?

01:37:33.000 The shirt company?

01:37:34.000 I feel bad for him.

01:37:37.000 Fuck it.

01:37:37.000 People will find it.

01:37:38.000 Is it on the back anywhere?

01:37:40.000 Probably.

01:37:40.000 The label?

01:37:41.000 I don't see anything.

01:37:43.000 I just see a tag.

01:37:44.000 Label us.

01:37:44.000 What does it say on the bottom?

01:37:46.000 Is that what the name?

01:37:47.000 What do we got?

01:37:49.000 What does the bottom say there?

01:37:50.000 Oh, it just says Hicks and Gracie.

01:37:52.000 Oh man, I feel bad for him.

01:37:54.000 Buy a cool shirt, honoring the OG. It's pretty dope.

01:37:57.000 He is the OG. He was the fucking man.

01:38:00.000 Cool motherfucker, yeah.

01:38:01.000 Did you ever train with him?

01:38:02.000 I've never trained with him, never met him.

01:38:04.000 Really?

01:38:06.000 Interesting dude, man.

01:38:08.000 Very interesting dude.

01:38:09.000 I got a chance to watch Coliseum.

01:38:13.000 Remember when he fought Funaki?

01:38:15.000 Was that his last one?

01:38:16.000 Yes.

01:38:16.000 I got a chance to watch footage of that with him in his house.

01:38:22.000 The guy came to the gym, bro?

01:38:24.000 Was it the gym challenge match?

01:38:25.000 No, I didn't watch that.

01:38:26.000 He didn't show me that.

01:38:27.000 Someone's got to have that.

01:38:28.000 He's got it.

01:38:29.000 We've got to get that.

01:38:30.000 I know.

01:38:30.000 I'm like, release that, bro.

01:38:32.000 Why don't you release that?

01:38:33.000 That was Yoji Anjo, right?

01:38:35.000 Yeah, he came to the challenge match.

01:38:37.000 He taped up his knuckles with duct tape and beat the fuck out of him.

01:38:41.000 That's wild.

01:38:42.000 Yeah, and he's like, if we are competing, when you tap, it's over.

01:38:46.000 If we're fighting...

01:38:48.000 When I'm dumb, I'm done.

01:38:50.000 I decide.

01:38:51.000 You just beat the fuck out of that dude.

01:38:53.000 That's some scary shit.

01:38:54.000 I feel sad for him now.

01:38:55.000 He's going, uh, Parkinson's, right?

01:38:57.000 Who does?

01:38:58.000 I believe Hickson does.

01:38:59.000 Does he really?

01:39:00.000 I believe so, yeah.

01:39:01.000 No kidding.

01:39:02.000 I didn't hear that.

01:39:03.000 Yeah, I saw Kira Gracie announce something about it.

01:39:07.000 See, I always wonder, because we talked about Freddie Roach, like, that's trauma-induced Parkinson's.

01:39:14.000 And, you know, Hickson didn't get hit a whole lot in his career, but he did get hit.

01:39:19.000 You know, I always wonder.

01:39:21.000 Yeah.

01:39:22.000 Hickson, Gracie, fight against Parkinson's.

01:39:23.000 I'm not scared of death, but quitting is unacceptable.

01:39:26.000 Rolling Stone magazine?

01:39:27.000 Whoa!

01:39:29.000 This is Rolling Stone?

01:39:30.000 That's crazy.

01:39:32.000 That is crazy that there's a Hicks and Gracie article in Rolling Stone.

01:39:37.000 That's amazing.

01:39:39.000 Wow.

01:39:40.000 Fuck, man.

01:39:41.000 Parkinson's.

01:39:42.000 I hope we get Kron back.

01:39:44.000 I hope so, too.

01:39:45.000 I think he might come back to grappling, maybe.

01:39:47.000 Well, I mean, his last fight in MMA just looked like he was just trying to pull guard and work off his back.

01:39:57.000 He just didn't look like he was prepared.

01:39:59.000 I know a place he could do that, no.

01:40:01.000 Yeah.

01:40:02.000 Do you think he would be...

01:40:03.000 I mean, he was such an elite grappler.

01:40:05.000 The Gary Tonin match, what a fucking match that was.

01:40:07.000 Holy shit, man.

01:40:09.000 Craziest shit ever.

01:40:10.000 That was before Gary was training with the Donaher death squad, right?

01:40:15.000 Wasn't it?

01:40:17.000 Either...

01:40:17.000 I mean, good question.

01:40:18.000 If we saw the match, we'd see who was in the corner.

01:40:21.000 Because this was definitely before the leg lock days.

01:40:24.000 Yeah.

01:40:25.000 This was a long time.

01:40:28.000 Gary was dominating that fight until the very end.

01:40:31.000 Back in those days, it was crazy.

01:40:32.000 I still miss Eddie Cummings.

01:40:33.000 I'm like, what happened to him?

01:40:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:40:35.000 Right.

01:40:35.000 What did happen to him?

01:40:36.000 That guy was good.

01:40:37.000 I've tried to catch up with him a couple times in New York, like reached out.

01:40:39.000 I'm like, I just want to have lunch with the guy.

01:40:41.000 But he just left the grappling world, just vanished.

01:40:45.000 What is he doing?

01:40:47.000 No, I don't think anyone knows.

01:40:48.000 He came back, I saw you in a couple videos, he came back to Henzo's and trained a couple times, but I think he doesn't like any media attention and like, it circled around on Instagram and he just vanished again.

01:40:56.000 Really?

01:40:57.000 No kidding.

01:40:58.000 So crazy, yeah, gone.

01:40:59.000 He was an interesting guy.

01:41:00.000 Oh, he was an elite grappler too.

01:41:02.000 Well, he was one of the very best of the leg lock guys in the early, early days.

01:41:06.000 He was scary.

01:41:07.000 We all copied him, you know?

01:41:08.000 He was a scary, scary dude.

01:41:10.000 Super smart.

01:41:11.000 Like, really intelligent guy.

01:41:13.000 And now, yeah, he ended up with Otavia Bourdain, right?

01:41:17.000 Mm-hmm.

01:41:18.000 Yeah, they started dating when she started training at Henzo's.

01:41:22.000 And I don't know what happened.

01:41:23.000 I think she competed in grappling a lot as well.

01:41:26.000 Yeah, she had fucked up knees, man.

01:41:28.000 Her knees were all blown out.

01:41:29.000 I remember trying to tell her to get surgery.

01:41:32.000 To fix him up.

01:41:32.000 Eddie kept breaking him, probably not.

01:41:34.000 I don't know.

01:41:35.000 Drilling.

01:41:35.000 I think she had at least one with no ACL. That's crazy, eh?

01:41:41.000 Doesn't Nicky have a fucked up knee?

01:41:43.000 Nicky Ryan?

01:41:44.000 Nicky Ryan does.

01:41:45.000 Man, Nicky Ryan gets injured every three minutes.

01:41:47.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:47.000 He's made a glass, unfortunately.

01:41:49.000 I injured him.

01:41:49.000 I came back, trained with him one round, injured him the other day.

01:41:52.000 I'm just like, fuck, bro.

01:41:53.000 How does this happen?

01:41:54.000 I feel bad.

01:41:54.000 It's a bit of a weird scramble, but he just beat JT Taurus.

01:41:57.000 So, like, biggest win of his career.

01:41:59.000 That was a big win.

01:42:00.000 Yeah, he looked great in that.

01:42:01.000 That was beautiful.

01:42:02.000 Yeah, he was training real serious for that.

01:42:04.000 But doesn't he have, like, one ACL that's gone?

01:42:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:42:08.000 I remember he tore his ACL and the doctors were like, okay, we can attempt surgery or you can do rehab only.

01:42:13.000 So he just did nothing and just kept training.

01:42:16.000 He didn't even rehab the thing.

01:42:17.000 I'm like, bro, do something.

01:42:19.000 Yeah, he's wild.

01:42:20.000 That's not wise for the future, though.

01:42:23.000 Not at all.

01:42:23.000 I mean, I think he had 95% of his meniscus removed in one of his legs.

01:42:27.000 Oh, God damn it.

01:42:29.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure one surgeon was like...

01:42:32.000 I won't do that.

01:42:33.000 You're too young for it, but you got it done.

01:42:35.000 Well, you know, they do meniscus replacements.

01:42:38.000 Oh, they do that?

01:42:39.000 Yes, they do cadaver meniscus replacements, especially with young people.

01:42:42.000 It's really effective.

01:42:44.000 He's got some mileage in the body.

01:42:47.000 So it's like his knees...

01:42:48.000 God, I hope he does it.

01:42:50.000 Because he can do it and it'll actually take.

01:42:52.000 We got him in this, though.

01:42:54.000 He's going after the million.

01:42:55.000 That'll be exciting.

01:42:56.000 With a fucked up knee.

01:42:58.000 There's always something fucked up with him, you know?

01:43:00.000 He's always injured in some way.

01:43:01.000 Well, isn't that the case with so many elite combat sports athletes?

01:43:05.000 It's very rare.

01:43:05.000 Other than boxers, it's very rare.

01:43:08.000 There's a story going around about this NBA player who got a meniscus from a donor.

01:43:12.000 Does that mean it's a cadaver?

01:43:13.000 Yes.

01:43:14.000 Because they don't say cadaver at all on this.

01:43:16.000 No, that's what they mean.

01:43:17.000 They mean a donor.

01:43:17.000 No one's going to give you their fucking meniscus.

01:43:20.000 It's a cadaver donor.

01:43:23.000 Like I said, it's effective.

01:43:26.000 It's possible.

01:43:28.000 I think there's an age where they don't recommend it anymore because of the lack of blood circulation.

01:43:34.000 But I always wonder for who though?

01:43:38.000 Like when they say, you know, you can't do it after 40. But for who?

01:43:43.000 Like for the regular person who is a 40-year-old who doesn't work out and is not like physically fit?

01:43:49.000 Or if you did that to say someone like Stipe Miocic?

01:43:53.000 Could he get a meniscus replacement when he's constantly training?

01:43:58.000 How much does your age affect blood flow to that area?

01:44:03.000 What is the factor?

01:44:05.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:44:06.000 If you still have a great VO2 max, you're still very fit, and you're super healthy, you train all the time, you obviously have great circulation.

01:44:16.000 Like, I don't understand why at a certain age they wouldn't recommend it.

01:44:20.000 I wonder if it's based on averages.

01:44:22.000 Like, you take the average 50-year-old guy and you give it to him and his knee's still fucked up because his body didn't heal properly.

01:44:29.000 But, like, with peptides, with all the things that are available today and stem cells, I wonder.

01:44:35.000 Yeah, there's got to be some things you can do.

01:44:36.000 Stack the deck.

01:44:37.000 Yeah.

01:44:37.000 Be a favor for that, for sure.

01:44:38.000 Once you remove your meniscus.

01:44:40.000 I have a meniscus that was scoped on my left knee, and it's always going to be fucked up.

01:44:45.000 There's always, like, something.

01:44:46.000 Yeah, it's just grinding, right?

01:44:47.000 Well, it's not all of mine is gone.

01:44:50.000 It's only in a corner.

01:44:52.000 But I suffered what's called an insufficiency fracture, where you're, because there's no meniscus, I crashed skiing, and I cracked my bones together so hard that it cracked the top of my shin bone.

01:45:07.000 Skiing scares me.

01:45:08.000 Skiing is fucking scary.

01:45:09.000 Snowboarding is dangerous.

01:45:10.000 That was my last time skiing.

01:45:11.000 I got a concussion.

01:45:12.000 I fucking banged my head off the ground real hard.

01:45:15.000 Oh, my God.

01:45:16.000 And I was skiing around this corner, and this lady didn't know what she was doing.

01:45:20.000 And she was like...

01:45:21.000 That'd be me.

01:45:22.000 And it was, well, you know, you learn.

01:45:24.000 But she was on, you know, a fairly difficult trail.

01:45:29.000 And I'm not a great skier, but, you know, I have good balance.

01:45:32.000 I'm pretty, I'm okay.

01:45:33.000 I know how to do it.

01:45:34.000 But I was like, either I hit this lady and fucking kill her, or I have to fall down.

01:45:39.000 And so I chose falling down, and I fucking banged my head so hard.

01:45:44.000 Like, as my head banged, I'm like, oh, that one counts.

01:45:48.000 I was like, that's a real one.

01:45:50.000 No, it would have been bad.

01:45:52.000 It would have been bad, because she wasn't very large, and I wasn't going slow.

01:45:58.000 I want to see her on the slopes.

01:46:00.000 Yeah, bro, that's like a bowling ball, just fucking flying down the hill.

01:46:04.000 I mean, all that weight.

01:46:06.000 The momentum of all that weight.

01:46:07.000 I imagine when you're really big.

01:46:09.000 Like, my kids ski, and they ski so easy, because they're light.

01:46:14.000 You know, like, wee, wee, wee, but the heavier you are, like, the more fucking momentum is coming down.

01:46:19.000 Lots of knee injuries skiing.

01:46:20.000 Oh my god.

01:46:22.000 Yeah, my friend Shane Dorian, he blew his fucking knee out snowboarding.

01:46:25.000 He hit a tree, torched his knee.

01:46:28.000 Had to get it reconstructed and stem cells and all that jazz.

01:46:31.000 And he's good to go now, but it took a long time before it was good.

01:46:35.000 And I would imagine you're a professional surfer.

01:46:39.000 One of the best in the world.

01:46:40.000 Big wave surfer.

01:46:41.000 I mean, he's a fucking monster.

01:46:43.000 Like, I would do everything to preserve my goddamn knees.

01:46:45.000 But he loved snowboarding so much, he's still back at it.

01:46:48.000 I'm like...

01:46:48.000 You're insane, man.

01:46:50.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:46:51.000 That's crazy.

01:46:51.000 You'd risk your career.

01:46:53.000 Your career.

01:46:53.000 Well, I think his career as a competition is kind of over.

01:46:57.000 You know, he's just kind of a representative of a bunch of different brands.

01:47:01.000 And I don't know if he competes.

01:47:02.000 I mean, Kelly Slater still competes, which is crazy, and still wins.

01:47:05.000 Kelly still trains, yeah.

01:47:07.000 Still trains jiu-jitsu?

01:47:08.000 Yeah.

01:47:09.000 Yeah.

01:47:09.000 I suppose that's risky for your self-career, too.

01:47:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:13.000 That's got to be risky.

01:47:14.000 It's got to be risky for everything.

01:47:16.000 Like, I know guys who play musical instruments, and they've fucked up their hands in jiu-jitsu, like, broken a finger.

01:47:21.000 I'm like, yikes.

01:47:22.000 Yeah, like, tattoo artist surgeons that's like, maybe don't train?

01:47:25.000 Yeah, I mean, if you break a hand, and that's the hand you play guitar with, and now you've got these fucking gnarly-ass fingers, and you're still trying to...

01:47:34.000 Move at the same speed.

01:47:36.000 One time I got my thumb stuck up here in grappling and another time my finger got stuck on the ground and went straight up.

01:47:43.000 I remember that was in Puerto Rico.

01:47:45.000 Oliver Tarza broke my hand and I went to the hospital in Puerto Rico.

01:47:49.000 We got the x-ray.

01:47:51.000 I'm waiting around for hours and the guy's like, it's fine.

01:47:54.000 No brakes, nothing.

01:47:55.000 So I leave and then I'm like, my hand's fucked up.

01:47:58.000 So I go back and end up getting the x-ray and I can see it's broken.

01:48:02.000 And I ended up getting it treated.

01:48:03.000 I just posted it on Instagram.

01:48:05.000 I was like, any hand surgeons?

01:48:06.000 What can I do for this?

01:48:07.000 And we just spoke about it on Instagram.

01:48:09.000 What did he say to do?

01:48:10.000 I just left it like this for a while.

01:48:12.000 Didn't use it too much.

01:48:14.000 So was it a fracture in the sense where they didn't have to bolt it together?

01:48:17.000 Yeah, it didn't have to bolt.

01:48:18.000 It's the same one when people punch a wall or something.

01:48:21.000 Oh, okay.

01:48:22.000 Like the bone down here.

01:48:24.000 So that one didn't need anything.

01:48:25.000 But I mean, a lot of Puerto Rican stories like that where the guy was like, yeah, your hand's not broken.

01:48:30.000 I'm like, bro, I can see it's broken.

01:48:32.000 Not so good Madison over there?

01:48:34.000 No, not at all.

01:48:35.000 Yeah, no, that was it.

01:48:37.000 That was a wild play.

01:48:37.000 It's not good for getting antibiotics for staph either.

01:48:39.000 No?

01:48:40.000 Yes, I mean, I've had plenty of times where I've gone to the doctor and been like, this is staph, I need antibiotics.

01:48:45.000 But they don't want to be told by some fucking idiot that they're diagnosing themselves, giving themselves the treatment.

01:48:52.000 So do they resist the diagnosis?

01:48:53.000 Yeah, they'll resist it on you, yeah.

01:48:54.000 Really?

01:48:55.000 I've had doctors not give me antibiotics and then it's gotten worse.

01:48:57.000 And tell you it's not staph?

01:48:58.000 Yeah, they're like, nah, you're fine.

01:49:00.000 Just put some cream on it.

01:49:01.000 Oh boy.

01:49:02.000 Oh boy.

01:49:03.000 Yeah.

01:49:03.000 But I get it.

01:49:04.000 They probably have guys coming in all the time like, give me this, give me this.

01:49:07.000 Right.

01:49:08.000 But no one's coming in to get antibiotics for fun.

01:49:11.000 Yeah.

01:49:12.000 I mean, that's not like painkillers.

01:49:14.000 No, yeah.

01:49:16.000 I guess I control them a bit, but yeah.

01:49:18.000 So many doctors have to deal with people coming in.

01:49:21.000 Oh, I hurt my back.

01:49:22.000 Yeah, I hurt my back.

01:49:23.000 Give me some Xanax.

01:49:24.000 I have so much anxiety.

01:49:26.000 I can't deal with this.

01:49:28.000 You freak out enough in the office.

01:49:30.000 Maybe they give you something just to calm you down.

01:49:32.000 That's a good play.

01:49:33.000 It really depends on the doctor.

01:49:35.000 Because some doctors are just a little loose with it.

01:49:38.000 Yeah, true.

01:49:38.000 I feel like, honestly, the more expensive the doctor, the better your chances.

01:49:42.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:43.000 Getting what you want.

01:49:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:45.000 I would imagine.

01:49:46.000 They probably have some sort of fucking deal, too.

01:49:49.000 You know, my wife's mom was a nurse, and she would explain to me how the whole pharmaceutical rep thing worked.

01:49:55.000 And Brigham, Brigham from Wasted Well, he used to be a pharmaceutical rep.

01:49:59.000 He's like, bro, the relationship they have with doctors is like, it's so slippery.

01:50:05.000 To get them to prescribe.

01:50:06.000 Yeah, it's so slippery.

01:50:07.000 Because, you know, even if they're not paying you, and they do pay people, but even if they're not, like, this is your friend.

01:50:15.000 Brigham was like, I would show up at their kids' softball games.

01:50:19.000 I knew everybody's name.

01:50:20.000 You become friendly.

01:50:22.000 They want to prescribe your drugs.

01:50:24.000 You're a good guy.

01:50:24.000 That's wild.

01:50:26.000 Yeah, it's fucking creepy.

01:50:28.000 That's the opioid epidemic and stuff like that, right?

01:50:31.000 Oh, that's exactly it.

01:50:32.000 Did you ever watch that show Painkiller on Netflix?

01:50:34.000 I started, but I never finished it.

01:50:36.000 Fucking Lazy A. Oh, it's so fucked up.

01:50:39.000 How those people are not in jail is insane.

01:50:44.000 Not only did they bullshit people and get people to prescribe these things, but they ruined who knows how many lives.

01:50:52.000 Hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, dead from opioid overdoses.

01:50:57.000 And then the amount of lives that are destroyed because of those things.

01:51:02.000 Families wrecked.

01:51:03.000 Everything.

01:51:04.000 And they tricked people.

01:51:06.000 They tricked them into doing drugs that are going to be They just paid a fine, right?

01:51:10.000 Massive fine?

01:51:11.000 Yeah, but not enough.

01:51:14.000 Also, part of the fine was that they were going to avoid prosecution.

01:51:20.000 Like if they paid X amount of billions of dollars, they would avoid prosecution.

01:51:26.000 But I think then Painkiller came out, the documentary came out, the Netflix series, and then they kind of withheld that.

01:51:33.000 I think one of the guys who was the main guy for the FDA that was responsible for greenlighting OxyContin and Oxycodone, that guy, they found him.

01:51:45.000 He was like in a small town in New Hampshire.

01:51:48.000 He was hiding away.

01:51:49.000 He was hiding.

01:51:49.000 Yeah, I mean they paid him off and this fucker was out there roaming around and they found him.

01:51:54.000 He's like Epstein's girlfriend, hey.

01:51:57.000 Except she's in jail somewhere.

01:51:59.000 Yeah, they get her eventually.

01:52:00.000 Yeah, eventually she's going to get out and she's going to fucking go swimming and drown or something.

01:52:05.000 Yeah, Jerry, Jerry.

01:52:06.000 That'll be me after this tournament, I reckon, eh?

01:52:08.000 Do you worry about that?

01:52:10.000 I mean, it should be alright.

01:52:14.000 That's not comforting.

01:52:16.000 It should be alright.

01:52:17.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just been a friendly competition.

01:52:21.000 It is that, but it's also, like, you're specifically going head-to-head.

01:52:25.000 Like, if you had done it a month earlier or a month later, I don't think we'd have the same issues.

01:52:29.000 I don't think we'd have the same impact on the sport, though, either.

01:52:33.000 I think you would.

01:52:35.000 We'll do it a month after as well.

01:52:38.000 Well...

01:52:39.000 We need another million, brother.

01:52:41.000 We're going again.

01:52:43.000 But you want to do it once a year, right?

01:52:44.000 You don't want to do it more than once a year, do you?

01:52:45.000 Yeah, honestly, I'm on the phone nonstop, talking to people about this event and stuff.

01:52:49.000 I've got to explain to everyone on the ruleset.

01:52:51.000 Yeah.

01:52:52.000 And becoming a promoter, do you have to hire a staff now?

01:52:55.000 Do you have to hire all these people to run the thing?

01:52:57.000 I mean, I'm the ideas guy, you know?

01:52:58.000 My business partner, Seth Bilal, he's doing all the coordination and stuff.

01:53:02.000 But me, I'm just talking to the athletes, coming up with the rules, sort of...

01:53:07.000 So he does all the coordination, like hiring the staff, making sure the event is well run.

01:53:11.000 Because I would imagine if you've never run an event before, obviously you can't call Abu Dhabi and ask for tips.

01:53:20.000 You can call Eddie.

01:53:21.000 I should.

01:53:22.000 You can call Eddie Bravo.

01:53:23.000 Yeah, I spoke to Eddie.

01:53:24.000 He loves it.

01:53:25.000 Yeah, he's very excited about it.

01:53:26.000 A little hat tip to him with the name as well.

01:53:29.000 Yeah.

01:53:29.000 I think having something where there's more money involved is always good.

01:53:33.000 It's just like the timing of it.

01:53:35.000 It's like when to do it.

01:53:36.000 If you'd asked me, I would have said...

01:53:38.000 They still get to watch the finals, you know?

01:53:41.000 Well, yeah.

01:53:42.000 True.

01:53:42.000 They still get to watch the finals.

01:53:44.000 But you won't have the same people competing.

01:53:46.000 Because if they're going to compete on Friday and Saturday, that precludes them from being able to compete in Abu Dhabi.

01:53:53.000 I mean, yeah, for sure.

01:53:54.000 Do you want the gold medal in 10K or the million?

01:53:57.000 Right.

01:53:58.000 That's the argument.

01:53:59.000 That is the argument, right?

01:54:01.000 And it's certainly—look, competition is almost always good.

01:54:05.000 Even when people don't like it, it forces them to up their game.

01:54:09.000 And I think at the end of the day, it's going to be good for the athletes and good for the sport because it will make people more—and the beef.

01:54:17.000 Tupac, Biggie?

01:54:18.000 I'm going down in Vegas like Tupac did.

01:54:20.000 Remember how both of those guys died, though, by the way?

01:54:23.000 They died very badly.

01:54:25.000 Both Tupac and Biggie.

01:54:26.000 It would have been better if Tupac and Biggie just kind of worked it out.

01:54:29.000 I mean, even Drake and Kendrick.

01:54:32.000 That was entertaining, hey.

01:54:33.000 But Drake's house got shot at.

01:54:36.000 Didn't a security guard get shot?

01:54:38.000 I think he got shot, yeah.

01:54:39.000 But we got some good music.

01:54:42.000 Sort.

01:54:42.000 I didn't listen to any of it.

01:54:43.000 Security guy took the hit.

01:54:44.000 I mean, yeah, some of the songs are good.

01:54:47.000 I just find it foolish.

01:54:49.000 The beef?

01:54:50.000 Mm-hmm.

01:54:51.000 I'm not a beef guy.

01:54:52.000 I feel like those guys could have wrote banging songs.

01:54:57.000 They both put out four songs each, you know?

01:54:59.000 It's like, use that creativity and just...

01:55:03.000 Yeah, I guess if you're driven...

01:55:05.000 I mean, I get it.

01:55:06.000 I get it.

01:55:07.000 It's part of the culture.

01:55:08.000 I get it.

01:55:09.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:55:10.000 Like, I like roast battles.

01:55:12.000 Love them, yeah, I love them.

01:55:13.000 Do comedy.

01:55:14.000 They should have done a rap battle.

01:55:15.000 Yeah.

01:55:16.000 Saw the pay-per-view or something.

01:55:17.000 That would have been amazing.

01:55:18.000 Still time.

01:55:19.000 That would have been amazing.

01:55:21.000 Yeah.

01:55:22.000 Rap battles are awesome.

01:55:23.000 It's just, you know, it's another opportunity to write.

01:55:26.000 It's another opportunity to create something.

01:55:28.000 And it's high pressure.

01:55:29.000 Yeah.

01:55:30.000 So, in that sense, this rivalry between ADCC and the CJI... Just one Australian idiot versus a city, you know?

01:55:39.000 We'll see what happens.

01:55:40.000 Yeah, versus a monarchy.

01:55:43.000 A monarchy, yeah.

01:55:44.000 But I mean, I still love ADCC. I still love history, you know?

01:55:46.000 I don't think you can wash that away.

01:55:47.000 It's amazing.

01:55:49.000 Yeah.

01:55:51.000 Do you think you could ever compete for them again?

01:55:54.000 Or do you think that's over now?

01:55:56.000 I mean, I wouldn't do it for 10k.

01:55:59.000 I don't know.

01:55:59.000 I mean, who knows?

01:56:01.000 The door's open for anything.

01:56:02.000 I don't take any of this stuff too seriously at all.

01:56:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:56:05.000 A lot of it's just fun on the internet.

01:56:06.000 Like, I don't really...

01:56:07.000 You know, like, fucking around and having a good time, you know?

01:56:09.000 Like, I'll do anything for the right price.

01:56:12.000 So it's like, if the spectacle's there, if people are interested in it...

01:56:15.000 Right, so you would go back if they would have you back.

01:56:18.000 For sure.

01:56:19.000 And ultimately, what I want and what I wanted from day one was just athletes across everything in Jiu-Jitsu to be compensated just a little bit more.

01:56:27.000 You know, because again, we don't have the prestige of the UFC. So if they had ramped it up from 10 to 20, you wouldn't have done this.

01:56:33.000 Really?

01:56:33.000 Wow.

01:56:34.000 Boy, they're probably going, fuck.

01:56:37.000 Yeah, that's really what sort of kicked it off.

01:56:40.000 But also, I wanted to do, like, this is an opportunity to start up our non-profit and stuff.

01:56:44.000 So it's like, gives me an opportunity to give back in other ways.

01:56:47.000 Yeah.

01:56:47.000 So, with this attitude about not taking things so seriously, do you think you and Gordon would ever bury the hatchet?

01:56:54.000 I mean, for sure.

01:56:56.000 But take some MDMA, we'll get to the bottom of it, you know?

01:56:58.000 Yeah.

01:56:59.000 I think he needs it.

01:57:00.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:02.000 Don't you think, though, that for a guy to be as dominant as he is, you have to be that guy?

01:57:07.000 That's like Michael Jordan in his prime.

01:57:09.000 They said if you beat him in a game of pool, he wouldn't talk to you for like two weeks.

01:57:13.000 You have to be kind of a psycho.

01:57:15.000 I know, but I guess you see the contrast in some areas.

01:57:19.000 In my opinion, Volkanovski was that.

01:57:22.000 GSP was that.

01:57:23.000 But really nice guys.

01:57:24.000 Yeah, Anderson Silva was that.

01:57:26.000 Again, I don't think Gordon's...

01:57:29.000 I mean, it's hard to say what he is, you know?

01:57:31.000 It's like, it's hard.

01:57:32.000 I don't know him that well, you know?

01:57:34.000 I know what the image he puts out.

01:57:36.000 I know a little bit of the stuff behind the scenes, but...

01:57:38.000 But you trained with him for years.

01:57:41.000 You gotta know him.

01:57:42.000 Yeah, but you know what jiu-jitsu guys are like.

01:57:44.000 If I can get on the mats, I don't want to hang out with them afterwards.

01:57:46.000 Fucking weirdos.

01:57:49.000 Who wants to have a conversation with a jiu-jitsu guy?

01:57:52.000 Me.

01:57:52.000 That's why you're here.

01:57:53.000 Well, some of them.

01:57:54.000 Some of them.

01:57:56.000 Fucking...

01:57:57.000 Some of them are a bit odd, you know?

01:57:59.000 Don't you think that like...

01:58:00.000 No, I love him.

01:58:01.000 I'm part of it, but...

01:58:01.000 Odd people would make the world go round, though.

01:58:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:58:05.000 I mean, for sure.

01:58:06.000 I'm not criticizing.

01:58:07.000 I'm fucking weird.

01:58:07.000 Look what I'm doing.

01:58:08.000 You're weird.

01:58:09.000 Yeah.

01:58:09.000 You're definitely weird.

01:58:10.000 But some people I find cool easy to talk to and relax.

01:58:13.000 I know.

01:58:14.000 It's just for me, as a guy who likes both of you guys, I don't like that you don't talk anymore.

01:58:19.000 I don't like that you have this beef.

01:58:21.000 I've asked Gordon to define it.

01:58:22.000 He doesn't define it.

01:58:25.000 It's very difficult.

01:58:26.000 He doesn't say anything bad about you, but he doesn't define it.

01:58:28.000 I mean, I just love fucking around.

01:58:31.000 Like, Australia, we love attacking each other.

01:58:33.000 Like, I say worse things to my friends than I say to Gordon.

01:58:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:36.000 Listen, I'm a comedian.

01:58:37.000 I know about that.

01:58:38.000 We talk wild shit to each other, too.

01:58:40.000 Some guys are so good to provoke, you get a good fucking reaction out of them, you know?

01:58:44.000 Well, with comedians, you know who you can hang out with, by who can take shit.

01:58:48.000 You know, because if someone makes fun of me, if it's funny, I laugh.

01:58:52.000 But if you make fun of some people and they're like, hey, they're like, oh, look at you, softy.

01:58:57.000 You just lost.

01:58:58.000 Oh, you fucked up.

01:58:59.000 You fucked up.

01:59:00.000 You take yourself seriously.

01:59:02.000 You just take what you do seriously, but you never take yourself seriously.

01:59:05.000 That's so silly.

01:59:06.000 There's no benefit to that.

01:59:07.000 Because then you don't get to enjoy the laughs when someone makes fun of you.

01:59:11.000 If someone makes fun of you and it's...

01:59:12.000 Like, have you ever watched Kill Tony?

01:59:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:15.000 Well, when David Lucas and Tony Hinchcliffe go at each other, it is...

01:59:19.000 One of my favorite things in life.

01:59:21.000 They're both so fucking ruthless and hilarious.

01:59:24.000 But if David gets Tony, Tony laughs hard.

01:59:28.000 And if Tony gets David, David laughs hard.

01:59:30.000 They laugh.

01:59:31.000 They love each other.

01:59:32.000 They're really good friends.

01:59:33.000 But they're fucking ruthless when it comes to that shit when they're roasting each other.

01:59:37.000 But they're having a good time.

01:59:39.000 Like, if you roast someone and they get, like, actually upset as a comedian, all the other comedians would be like, oh, look at you.

01:59:47.000 You're upset at a joke?

01:59:50.000 You fucking hypocrite.

01:59:51.000 Like, what's wrong with you?

01:59:52.000 Well, I mean, that's what I mean.

01:59:53.000 Gordon says, bro, you suck.

01:59:54.000 You never want anything.

01:59:55.000 I'm like, bro, I could as well do that.

01:59:56.000 You know?

01:59:57.000 It's like, relax.

02:00:00.000 Is that...

02:00:01.000 What is the beef, though?

02:00:04.000 It doesn't make sense.

02:00:05.000 I mean, for me, I'm just having a good time.

02:00:07.000 I'm in a sport of people that take themselves very seriously.

02:00:10.000 Right.

02:00:10.000 And it's just...

02:00:11.000 He takes himself very seriously, so it's just like...

02:00:13.000 So you like picking on him?

02:00:14.000 I like...

02:00:15.000 Yeah, anyone.

02:00:16.000 Because he takes himself so seriously.

02:00:16.000 You know what I mean?

02:00:16.000 I mean, like what you said with comedians.

02:00:19.000 If someone's too...

02:00:21.000 Too stiff.

02:00:22.000 And it's good material.

02:00:25.000 He's just walking good material, you know?

02:00:28.000 It's like he's provoking me.

02:00:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:00:31.000 Well, he would just post something that I'm like, I swear, I'm like, this guy's playing a fucking character.

02:00:35.000 He's a genius.

02:00:36.000 But it's real.

02:00:37.000 I'm like, he's baiting me.

02:00:39.000 I gotta say something.

02:00:41.000 Well, you are probably the funniest guy in jiu-jitsu other than Eddie.

02:00:45.000 Eddie's hilarious.

02:00:46.000 Eddie loves the jokes, too.

02:00:48.000 Sometimes I pass on him some deeper levels of the jokes, and he gets the full story.

02:00:53.000 He loves it.

02:00:53.000 We go deep conspiracy on the jiu-jitsu jokes.

02:00:56.000 Oh no, Eddie's fucking hilarious.

02:00:58.000 He's one of the funniest people I've ever met.

02:00:59.000 I'm so glad he's doing stand-up again, too.

02:01:02.000 Because I tried to talk him into doing stand-up a long time ago, like back in like 2001. I was like, dude, I'm telling you, just try.

02:01:08.000 It'll suck at first, but just like it sucked when I learned Jiu-Jitsu.

02:01:12.000 You suck at first, but you have the ability to do it.

02:01:15.000 Overcome, yeah.

02:01:16.000 He took a long time off it, but when he was teaching, he would teach classes and especially seminars.

02:01:21.000 He would have material.

02:01:23.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:23.000 During seminars, it was hilarious.

02:01:25.000 And then he's like, I think I'm going to do comedy again.

02:01:27.000 So teaching seminars.

02:01:29.000 That's what I do.

02:01:30.000 I'll say the same joke, and then I'll look over and be like, fuck that guy was at another seminar.

02:01:33.000 I said the same thing.

02:01:34.000 I'm like, he knows!

02:01:36.000 He knows my tricks!

02:01:38.000 Yeah.

02:01:38.000 Yeah, that's the problem with jokes.

02:01:40.000 If they already know the jokes, it's like a little bit of an issue.

02:01:42.000 And I'm like, fuck, have I said this a few too many times now?

02:01:45.000 Yeah.

02:01:45.000 Gotta switch topics.

02:01:46.000 Yeah, you gotta make new stuff up.

02:01:48.000 You gotta make up new stuff for seminars.

02:01:50.000 When you go and do seminars, do you find it's a lot of MMA fighters that are wanting to learn jiu-jitsu?

02:01:56.000 Is it just jiu-jitsu guys?

02:01:58.000 Is it a mixture?

02:01:59.000 I mean, nowadays, man, it's such a variety of people, sometimes even beginners.

02:02:04.000 White belts will show up and they're just coming to hang out.

02:02:08.000 I love doing seminars all around the world and just meeting the people that are doing the sport.

02:02:15.000 I keep them at a really affordable price because I always remember...

02:02:18.000 When people would come to my city, like, sometimes the seminars were so expensive I couldn't afford it.

02:02:22.000 So I just insist we book a big venue, we keep the prices low, and I just get to see who from that country is participating in the sport, you know?

02:02:30.000 I just love it.

02:02:31.000 Is that how you enjoy that more than competing now, just going around and doing seminars?

02:02:35.000 I enjoy, like, all aspects of it.

02:02:38.000 You know, like, obviously too many seminars are exhausting.

02:02:40.000 I've done, like, back to back to back to back.

02:02:42.000 I'd like the seminar to be three hours and then out of there.

02:02:45.000 Otherwise, it's...

02:02:46.000 Too much social interaction, you know?

02:02:48.000 Well, you probably also don't absorb anything after three hours.

02:02:51.000 It's like...

02:02:52.000 And I have to roll.

02:02:52.000 Like, I still run the gauntlet.

02:02:54.000 I try to roll with as many people as possible.

02:02:56.000 That's gotta be hair-raising.

02:02:57.000 They fucking try to kill me, eh?

02:02:58.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

02:02:59.000 I'm just like, bro, you paid to come here.

02:03:00.000 You like me.

02:03:00.000 What are you doing to me?

02:03:01.000 Yeah.

02:03:02.000 Relax.

02:03:02.000 Like, I'll be hungover, jet-lagged, and it'll be like...

02:03:05.000 I'll do, like, sometimes one hour, one and a half hours straight.

02:03:08.000 New guy every three minutes.

02:03:10.000 Oh, God.

02:03:10.000 And I'm like, what are you doing to me, bro?

02:03:12.000 It's fucking one hour in.

02:03:13.000 You're trying to kill me.

02:03:14.000 Yeah, after a while.

02:03:15.000 Test your patience.

02:03:16.000 That's like meditating, you know?

02:03:17.000 I'm just like, alright, don't kill this guy.

02:03:18.000 That's one of the legendary Hickson stories is that Hickson would do a seminar and then take all the black belts there and just tap them one after another.

02:03:26.000 I try to do fucked up shit to people though, you know?

02:03:28.000 Like what?

02:03:29.000 Just stupid submissions, you know?

02:03:31.000 That keeps it entertaining for me.

02:03:32.000 Crab walks?

02:03:33.000 Yeah, the Boston Crab.

02:03:34.000 I love hitting a Boston Crab, eh?

02:03:36.000 I'm like, you'll remember that forever.

02:03:39.000 You see that one guy who did it in MMA? Yeah, he is.

02:03:42.000 So crazy.

02:03:43.000 Man, that would hurt.

02:03:44.000 I've never been put in it.

02:03:46.000 Yeah, is it a flexibility thing?

02:03:48.000 Is it a spine thing?

02:03:49.000 I think it'll break your spine.

02:03:51.000 Yeah.

02:03:52.000 I do it to people for a mount, though.

02:03:53.000 I give a mount, and then I put my toes in their armpits, take them over the top, Boston Crabber.

02:03:57.000 That's some fun at the seminar, is just hitting fucked up shit on people in front of their friends.

02:04:01.000 I think that's the most enjoyable thing.

02:04:03.000 Yeah, here's the dude who did it in MMA. How did he set it up?

02:04:09.000 Jesus.

02:04:09.000 He just climbed over the top and got his legs.

02:04:13.000 The other guy looks like he's fighting for his life, but nothing's happening.

02:04:16.000 Well, the other guy looks a little out of shape, too.

02:04:19.000 He's just a little noogies to the face.

02:04:21.000 It's like he's already ready for it.

02:04:23.000 It almost looks fake, eh?

02:04:25.000 I don't think it's fake.

02:04:26.000 I think it's just a low-level MMA show.

02:04:30.000 Wow, that's crazy.

02:04:32.000 Fuck, that guy would never hear the end of that, eh?

02:04:34.000 I remember a guy I used to train with, he actually sponsors me, and he had an MMA fight, and he tapped.

02:04:39.000 He won for three rounds.

02:04:41.000 In a minute, I think 30 seconds ago, he crossed his leg from back, and the guy flipped him.

02:04:46.000 And I fucking remind him of it to this day.

02:04:48.000 It's been years.

02:04:48.000 That is a crazy submission.

02:04:50.000 That hurts, you know?

02:04:51.000 Oh, it hurts like hell, but you've got to imagine, like, if you're winning the fight, I don't think I've ever seen an MMA fight where someone tapped to that.

02:05:01.000 I'll send it to you.

02:05:02.000 But guys do it.

02:05:03.000 Guys do it.

02:05:04.000 Even Hickson did it.

02:05:05.000 When Hickson submitted Funaki, he's crossed his legs.

02:05:08.000 I guess he'd just rather have the squeeze, and if the guy threatens it, he'll let it go?

02:05:13.000 Yeah.

02:05:13.000 Sometimes I think it's about being relaxed.

02:05:15.000 It's like, if you're doing this, they can catch it really tight, but if your ankles are relaxed, sometimes they slip off the top.

02:05:20.000 Right.

02:05:20.000 I think relaxing in those positions sometimes helps.

02:05:23.000 We're also being hyper aware of when the guy lifts his leg up to try to lock it.

02:05:28.000 But yeah, I've had it done to me before.

02:05:30.000 It's fucking horrible.

02:05:31.000 People try to do that to me at seminars like that.

02:05:33.000 We try and play around and then catch me with some shit.

02:05:34.000 I'm just like, fucking relax, guy.

02:05:37.000 Fucking...

02:05:37.000 Yeah, you have to always be aware, right?

02:05:39.000 Because you're dealing with people trying to get a reputation.

02:05:42.000 I just try to break my legs, everything.

02:05:43.000 Have you ever tapped at seminars?

02:05:45.000 Yeah, I tapped, but I'll give them a couple more so they don't believe it, you know?

02:05:48.000 Their friends believe they get me once, but not three times, you know?

02:05:52.000 What do you mean?

02:05:52.000 Like if a blue belt taps me at a seminar, one time, maybe people believe.

02:05:56.000 So you let them tap you a couple times?

02:05:57.000 Give them a couple more, you know?

02:05:58.000 Oh, so you throw in a few fake taps?

02:06:00.000 Yeah, that fucks the story for them.

02:06:02.000 I tapped Craig Jones three times.

02:06:04.000 Yeah, once?

02:06:05.000 Maybe.

02:06:05.000 And they're like, wait a minute, I tapped you.

02:06:06.000 How the fuck are you tapping Craig Jones?

02:06:09.000 That doesn't even make sense.

02:06:10.000 Take the story away from him.

02:06:11.000 What have you ever tapped to at a seminar?

02:06:13.000 Actually, I had a seminar at Kenan's gym, and a guy got me in the north-south.

02:06:17.000 But I tap at seminars from time to time, because I fuck around.

02:06:20.000 I'll give him a mount, give him my back, give him my unbar.

02:06:22.000 And then I'm always like, guys, I'm going to give you positions, but if you get it, I'll tap.

02:06:28.000 Relax.

02:06:29.000 Don't try to kill me.

02:06:30.000 Yeah, I've got shit to do later.

02:06:31.000 Don't roll my neck.

02:06:32.000 Yeah, they try.

02:06:33.000 Some of the guys try to kill you.

02:06:34.000 Necks are a bad one, too, man.

02:06:36.000 When you get a hurt neck...

02:06:38.000 Like, when guys get, like, uh, Al Jermaine got his disc replaced in his neck, and I was like, ooh, and your neck is gone?

02:06:44.000 Like, that's a fucking creepy one.

02:06:46.000 That's crazy, yeah.

02:06:47.000 I think I just retire at that point, you know?

02:06:50.000 Chris Weidman got his disc replaced.

02:06:52.000 Sorry, Chris.

02:06:54.000 I think he got his disc replaced as well.

02:06:55.000 I think you get the same thing.

02:06:57.000 And there's a few guys who have had discs replaced in their back and in their neck.

02:07:01.000 You know, they can do that titanium articulating disc now, where it allows your neck to move pretty normally.

02:07:09.000 But, you know, how long does that last?

02:07:11.000 I just tap to everything and not put in much effort, and I feel like it keeps my body safe.

02:07:15.000 You know what I mean?

02:07:16.000 Like, if I'm training and the guy's going hard, I'm like, alright, you got it, bro.

02:07:20.000 Yeah.

02:07:20.000 I'm like, let's just...

02:07:21.000 That's smart.

02:07:23.000 I just don't care that much.

02:07:23.000 But that's an ego thing.

02:07:24.000 You have a healthy ego.

02:07:26.000 I'm just like, who cares, you know?

02:07:27.000 Like, it's like...

02:07:29.000 Yeah.

02:07:29.000 That's the point, you know?

02:07:30.000 Well, it's definitely better than going out like, you know, Vinny.

02:07:34.000 Vinny Magalhães with letting your fucking leg get destroyed like that.

02:07:38.000 If you can just relax like that and allow yourself to get tapped, you will save so many injuries.

02:07:44.000 I control the security footage in the cameraman, though.

02:07:46.000 So, you know, I make the footage disappear if he gets me.

02:07:49.000 Oh, in your gym?

02:07:50.000 Yeah, that's a reassuring.

02:07:51.000 I'm like, psh, delete that, bro.

02:07:52.000 That's the problem, right?

02:07:53.000 Guys want to release footage.

02:07:54.000 I want to sell it.

02:07:55.000 Hey, like, if people come to the gym, I'm like, bro, let you tap me.

02:07:58.000 Give me the footage.

02:07:59.000 Give me some money.

02:08:00.000 Yeah.

02:08:00.000 You can take it home.

02:08:02.000 Well, listen, Craig, good luck on this.

02:08:05.000 I really hope it works out.

02:08:06.000 I hope ADCC isn't too pissed at you.

02:08:09.000 And I hope you've started a trend.

02:08:12.000 And I hope this is going to...

02:08:13.000 Look at that.

02:08:14.000 The bowls.

02:08:15.000 Big team bowls.

02:08:16.000 I hope it...

02:08:17.000 80 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes, and 47 seconds until it starts from right now.

02:08:22.000 That's not reassuring.

02:08:24.000 That's close.

02:08:24.000 It is.

02:08:25.000 80 days is not a long amount of time.

02:08:27.000 But I hope it works out, and I really hope that it elevates the sport.

02:08:32.000 At the very least, it's getting some eyeballs on the sport.

02:08:35.000 Get some new eyeballs for sure.

02:08:36.000 Thanks for letting me talk about it.

02:08:38.000 My pleasure.

02:08:38.000 So tell everybody how to find you on Instagram and how to find the website for the event.

02:08:44.000 Oh, yeah.

02:08:46.000 CraigJonesBJJ.com.

02:08:47.000 We'll sell tickets to this.

02:08:48.000 Sorry, CraigJonesBJJ for Instagram.

02:08:50.000 UNLV.com is where tickets will be up on the 31st.

02:08:54.000 So at the Thomas& Mack website.

02:08:56.000 Thomas& Mack website.

02:08:57.000 And then Fair Fight Foundation is the website with all the information.

02:09:02.000 That's what we saw there.

02:09:04.000 And CJI Official is the Instagram page where it's meant to be professional but it's going to be mostly memes.

02:09:10.000 Mostly memes?

02:09:11.000 Mostly memes and jokes.

02:09:12.000 Okay.

02:09:12.000 We had a spelling error on the post and we left it, you know?

02:09:14.000 I was like, fuck, we fucked up.

02:09:15.000 We'll commit to it.

02:09:16.000 All right.

02:09:17.000 Beautiful.

02:09:17.000 All right, man.

02:09:18.000 Well, good luck and make sure you count all that before you leave.

02:09:21.000 Yeah, something's gone.

02:09:22.000 All right.

02:09:23.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 15, 2011

JRE MMA Show #157 with Craig Jones

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