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00:02:10.000Yeah, so we were talking about animals that have been modified.
00:02:12.000We were looking at Carl, and we were like, how crazy is it that a human, over thousands of years, altered by select breeding, created that thing?
00:02:45.000I don't know what the hell you call it.
00:02:46.000But he was, like, making these creatures, and then they were, like, living in these jars.
00:02:50.000And then it would fast forward, like, you know, three weeks, four weeks, and they're growing.
00:02:54.000And one of them had this, like, crazy little eye.
00:02:56.000And it was the weirdest shit I've ever seen, which then led me down going in another spiral where it's, like, apparently there are people around the world who will, like...
00:03:08.000Do like breed like goat mixed with like fucking human.
00:03:44.000So hybridization of animals is famous for controversial attempts to create a human-ape hybrid by inseminating three female chimpanzees with human sperm.
00:05:48.000And he thinks no, he thinks they probably look more like gorillas, like, and they probably were covered in hair, and they were probably able to see at night, and they were probably super violent, and they might have hunted us.
00:06:00.000So he had this whole theory about, like, these super predator, chimpanzee-looking Neanderthals.
00:07:29.000And my friend Kurt Metzger, he's the worst.
00:07:31.000If I call him up, he knows everything about every conspiracy that's ever happened, and he knows all the people that were involved, and he'll start rattling things off to you like, oh my god, you're giving me anxiety!
00:07:42.000Yeah, yeah, it probably freaks you out.
00:09:05.000And it was funny coming from him and the tone, but I mean, like, that's, I guess, what brought that up is like, yeah, processed information, right?
00:09:17.000We have a lot of fast, you know, info.
00:09:20.000Somebody can divvy up a video really quick and put it out there, and it's the first thing we see, so we believe it, you know, or like...
00:09:26.000Something can go viral and we've seen it a bunch of times and then on to the next thing and we're getting this information, but like it's a lot different than like, okay, let's let me pick up a book or like a couple things and actually read it and see if these things, you know, align and like, okay, now I can kind of formulate like, okay, this is closer to the truth.
00:09:45.000An actual understanding, the history, how these things are figured out, how this is formulated, what led to that, instead of just the article or worse yet, a YouTube or TikTok video.
00:11:04.000I created a TikTok shortly because my wife was using it and they have shopping or something on there.
00:11:11.000So I was like, oh, let me just download it really quick.
00:11:13.000So I downloaded it and after the first day, it started feeding me these pages that were homeless people in Arizona and California that were just hooked on fentanyl.
00:11:26.000And they get deep into their stories like some guys like interviewing them like, how long you been out here?
00:11:31.000And I'm sitting here watching this and like 20 minutes goes by and I'm like, why am I depressed?
00:11:38.000Why do I feel like the weight of the world is on my shoulders right now?
00:11:42.000And I realized, holy shit, I'm literally here in my living room watching drug addicts on the street just completely waste their lives away.
00:11:51.000Meanwhile, you're living the life that they could only dream of.
00:11:55.000If you take a young guy before his life goes sideways and say, what do you want to do with it?
00:12:01.000If I could just wave a magic wand, I'd be a badass fighting in the UFC. All fucking jacked.
00:12:08.000Young and strong and one of the top contenders up and coming.
00:12:18.000I think that's how they're doing it to us.
00:12:20.000Because no matter where you are, there's something that you can watch that'll freak you out.
00:12:24.000That'll freak you out, bring you down, just change your mindset, slow you down, whatever it is.
00:12:28.000I was talking to Sugar Sean about that, and he was saying that just scrolling through TikTok or Instagram, stuff that doesn't have anything to do with him, he goes, I just get this mild form of anxiety, this mild case of...
00:16:53.000Just the fact that we are one planet of nine in this one solar system that is one of hundreds of billions of solar systems in this galaxy, and that this galaxy is one of hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe.
00:17:27.000I mean, even listening to you right now, as you were kind of breaking down how pretty much insignificant we are, I just kind of like, everything started zeroing in.
00:19:42.000But they believe that when a civilization reaches an incredible level of technological proficiency, they're going to be able to develop these enormous structures that capture all the energy of a star.
00:19:57.000So literally surround the star with this structure.
00:20:01.000And they think they might have detected these structures in the universe now.
00:20:06.000Now, these structures are just theoretical, these Dyson spheres, but they believe through...
00:20:12.000There's a thing called the James Webb Telescope.
00:20:48.000So they found these things amongst – there's these – I don't know how they detect why they think this is a Dyson sphere.
00:20:57.000But if – it just makes sense that if civilization can go from being hunter-gatherers to being people that fly in airplanes and look at VR and enter into the Matrix.
00:21:08.000like we're clearly doing, that if you just keep that going a thousand years, a million years, you're gonna get to some insane level of technological ability.
00:21:20.000So maybe we are just, like, kind of in the beginning stages of, like, you know, maybe there's humans Elsewhere in the galaxies far, far, far away.
00:21:44.000The first one's great because he just kind of goes kooky.
00:21:46.000And then the second one's great because Eric Weinstein, who's like a legitimate genius from Harvard, sort of settles him down and explains what's incorrect and what is correct.
00:21:55.000And some of the stuff is very correct.
00:21:57.000And some of the stuff is really fascinating.
00:21:58.000I mean, Terrence is clearly a genius, but he's like self-taught.
00:22:02.000And sometimes when you don't have peers correcting you...
00:22:20.000But Terrence has this brilliant idea about that what happens is you have a star, and then the particles that eject from the star are what creates these planets.
00:22:29.000And when the planets get to a certain distance from the star, when they develop that Goldilocks zone, he goes, they eventually develop people.
00:22:54.000As time passes and this society, if it survives, it doesn't kill itself, gets further and further from the sun, it has to develop the technological ability to keep the planet hospitable.
00:23:05.000And then it goes even past that to the point where they develop these things like Dyson Spheres and they develop the ability to manipulate their environment, create black holes.
00:23:14.000They develop the ability essentially to create new universes.
00:23:29.000Because that's just a theory and it's a fascinating theory.
00:23:31.000And Terence has a lot of really interesting ideas, but that was one of the most interesting ones.
00:23:36.000Like every solar system, the reason why we see it here and the reason why when they look at the Webb Telescope has found a bunch of these planets that are in the Goldilocks zone.
00:23:45.000And he thinks that this is just a normal occurrence.
00:23:48.000As time goes on, our planet is getting further from the sun.
00:24:13.000Yeah, so this theory is pretty wild that like all this stuff is just basically particles that eject from the Sun and that eventually coalesce and form a sphere and form a planet and initially these planets are like very close to the Sun and they're you know insanely hot, but as they get further and further out they reach that Goldilocks zone and that's when they start developing life.
00:24:35.000And then ultimately develop a very highly intelligent form of life.
00:24:49.000Because apparently people that have explained it to me say you can actually just file patents.
00:24:54.000And the people that are working in the office, they're not sophisticated enough to know, especially in various disciplines, as to whether or not what you're saying is real or...
00:25:04.000Is this something that you could really have a patent for?
00:25:07.000But they'll let you file for the patent.
00:25:12.000But the idea that every solar system eventually has a planet that gets to that spot where it's just enough so it gets water, just enough so it has all of the things that's necessary for life.
00:25:26.000And then, if you want to get really crazy...
00:25:29.000Then you think that the planets that are farther and further out, that have the super-intelligent, ultra-advanced species, what they do is they come back and they help us.
00:25:40.000They come back and then fucking pick up the pace, boys.
00:26:30.000There's something about us that's fucking real weird.
00:26:33.000And you can attribute it to climate and different environments to grow, and some of those changes have to have taken place from that, too, for sure.
00:26:41.000But if you buy into all this Anunnaki crazy shit, the reason why we are so different than all the other primates is because they introduced their DNA to us.
00:27:20.000We are the ones who've created this theory of evolution and the fossil record and all those things, but The thing that created it is the biggest mystery, the human brain.
00:27:30.000The human brain doubled in size over a period of two million years, and apparently it's the biggest mystery in the entire fossil record.
00:29:17.000You know, which is why, like, there's...
00:29:20.000I firmly believe that to be great at athletics, it takes a kind of intelligence.
00:29:26.000And you're not measuring it in an IQ, but to pretend that someone is like a Wayne Gretzky, that he's not some kind of a genius, or a Federer, or an elite MMA fighter.
00:29:39.000Because you're navigating this most difficult of world where microsecond decisions get made, training, instinct, discipline, the will to carve out this existence, and all those things.
00:29:53.000You have to have a fucking truly, truly exceptional mind to be able to do those things.
00:30:00.000Anybody that's doing things at just like a really high level or like they're doing things differently or they're like the number one, two, and three in their- In anything.
00:30:27.000I think every one of those people, if they had the physical capability, because obviously some people unfortunately have terrible genetics, and they're just never going to be an elite athlete.
00:30:36.000But if you have the physical ability, that's only like a little tiny piece of it.
00:30:40.000The real piece is the mental part of navigating, not just the training, but the improving, and then the ability to execute under pressure.
00:31:14.000I look like I can play football, but my mind's not wired that way, right?
00:31:17.000So I'd have to do a lot to make that happen.
00:31:20.000And then, obviously, there's a lot of football players that look like a beast, but if you get them in a cage, they have no idea what to do.
00:32:15.000Well, I had a reporter tell me about him years ago, and then I watched some YouTube videos of him, and one of them, he was at Oxford, talking to him about mathematics.
00:34:26.000So the kind of people that are putting together that ridiculous opening ceremony where you got a bunch of drag queens and the Last Supper and all that...
00:34:51.000Not only do they do that, but then they'll go to places like Brazil, and so if it's going to be in Brazil, they build this fucking enormous place for it to participate in, all the different arenas where different people do their thing.
00:35:06.000And then all the people there who are poor are like, hey, where the fuck did this money come from, and why didn't you just spend it on the community?
00:35:29.000The Olympics makes billions and billions of money in television revenue and advertising revenue, and they don't give any of it to the athletes.
00:35:36.000So it just goes to the Olympic Committee?
00:36:14.000You're pushing this weird agenda in this place where people are already getting fucked over.
00:36:20.000The whole Olympics is just people getting fucked over.
00:36:23.000Yeah, I mean if you're the best athletes in the world representing your country at the highest level, possibly, humanly possible, For one, yeah, you should be getting compensated.
00:36:40.000And yeah, I think that there should be something that's more focused on the extravagance of this moment of the athletes waiting so long to be able to do this.
00:36:51.000And yeah, it should be more athlete-focused.
00:40:03.000Yeah, that's why they lost wrestling a few years ago, and everybody got mad, because they added skateboarding or surfing or something like that.
00:40:58.000See if you can find how many more events are there in 2024 than there were in 1936. Let's see if they say that.
00:41:08.000But the point is, like, everybody who did the Olympics before television, they just did it for national pride, just like winning the nationals in wrestling.
00:41:49.000The Olympics were often considered controversial because they were held to showcase the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler's theories of Aryan supremacy.
00:42:45.000Imagine if that was the case with the NBA or the NFL or UFC. Imagine if the athlete's got zero money and everybody else is driving around in Rolls Royces and living in mansions.
00:46:14.000Well, at the time of the disqualifications, based on DNA tests, we identified a number of athletes who tried to trick their colleges into posing as women.
00:46:23.000The association's president, Umar Kremlev, told Russia's TASS nuge agency at the time, according to the results of the test, it was proved that they have XY chromosomes.
00:46:33.000Such athletes were excluded from competition.
00:46:36.000So I don't think Outsports is being honest.
00:50:44.000Yeah, so I was scheduled to fight Jamal Hill, co-main event, at UFC 303. At the time, it was when Conor was still, you know, going to fight Chandler.
00:50:57.000So, in preparation leading up to that fight, I was...
00:54:37.000They gave me a two-month suspension because...
00:54:43.000As soon as I told them, "Hey, I just tested on May 4th, so I haven't gotten the results back yet, but this is what I just found out I've been taking, so it's probably going to come up on this test, so keep a lookout.
00:54:56.000Keep your eye out." So then they're like, "Okay." They expedited my test.
00:55:00.000They called it like, "Hey, we need this test back immediately because I was booked to fight." And so I'm obviously, this is like, I'm panicking, dude.
00:58:16.000Dude, I mean, like, even to not fight this long, I mean, I don't think people have, or it does so much for me, financially, like, you know what I mean?
01:01:49.000So they like shot me up with some type of drug and put a brace on me and gave me crutches and they were like, peace.
01:01:56.000And I had to drive from Southern California to Vegas, which took us at the time two days because we had to make stops because I was in pain with a broken leg.
01:03:51.000And it's one of those fights where there's a certain time in a fighter's career where they make this breakthrough and you go, oh boy, he's right there.
01:04:06.000Yeah, and that division is, you know, it's interesting because Alex is such a dominant champion, but there's not a lot of compelling challengers for him.
01:04:15.000You know, it's Ankolaev, who I think is going to be next.
01:04:18.000I think they're pretty much saying that...
01:05:53.000It could end in the first, second, but it also could go five because the both of us are fucking warriors.
01:05:58.000So I just think like And while he's still doing his best.
01:06:05.000While he's still at the peak, it's kind of like, because I'm doing my best and I'm getting to my peak and you get these two guys at the highest level and like, fuck, that's a sick fight.
01:07:22.000They allow public comments, like time so the public can come in the beginning.
01:07:26.000So I came, and I saw these guys, and I'm like, oh, I know all of you.
01:07:31.000You know, in my mind, I thought it was like some crazy thing, you know, like, oh man, I have to go.
01:07:35.000So I showed up, and I looked around the room, and everybody's sitting around this table, like all the board, and I was like, oh, I've seen every single last one of you at every fight.
01:07:45.000So I felt more comfortable, and I kind of like let them know, like, hey guys, I'm here.
01:07:51.000I think that my case is today, you know?
01:07:53.000They were like, no, it's not until next month.
01:07:55.000And I was like, okay, well, I just, hopefully you guys can kind of look into the facts and just see, like, this is not my fault.
01:08:03.000Not only not your fault, but not going to help you in any way.
01:08:54.000The way that- You know when people do like the wave in crowds?
01:08:58.000This was like the fucking atomic bomb- You're like, boom, boom, dude, and then everyone, like, last second, you know?
01:09:07.000Like, it's crazy because it's like, okay, you're watching this fight, and you're like, okay, cool, yeah, Max got this, you know, in the bag, and then Gaethje comes, and he's swinging, and it's like, oh, okay.
01:09:16.000It's like, everyone's still engaged, right, because they're fighting, but then, like, as soon as that hit, boom, boom.
01:10:19.000When it happened and when they called me and told me that this was the situation, that was a lot of the fans' response and people that I know.
01:10:56.000I mean, he got clipped and dropped, and then he got beaten up when he was on the ground, and he stood right back up afterwards.
01:11:02.000Maybe he didn't get a concussion, maybe he just got dinged, who knows?
01:11:06.000But, like, guys have, like, Mirko Kropkop, in pride, he fought Kevin Randleman, and he got KO'd bad, real bad, and then he fought again 25 days later.
01:11:44.000So he loses a Randeman, and he fights Kanahara, and then he fights Oyama, and then he fights Alex Emelianenko, and then he fights Josh Burnett, and then he gets a rematch with Kevin Randeman.
01:12:35.000No, it was all like everybody just had to train to get ready.
01:12:39.000Yeah, wasn't it just like the guys were training and then they'd get a call and then it'd say X amount of money and they're like, cool, we'll be there.
01:13:00.000If they had leagues that were like that, that would be cool.
01:13:02.000Well, it would be cool if there was an organization that was competing with the UFC at that level, like that Pride was at the time, like Saitama Super Arena.
01:13:11.000That Saitama Super Arena, I think, is 90,000 people.
01:13:31.000Everybody watched it, especially martial artists.
01:13:33.000Everybody watched Noguera when he was the champ, and Fedor when he was going through his prime over there.
01:13:38.000Yeah, when I got into MMA, I think I watched more Pride than I did UFC. And at the time, it wasn't live, right?
01:13:44.000But if I had to go buy a DVD from Zia Records or something, it's like, yeah, of course, I'm going to buy the Pride ones.
01:13:48.000Sometimes it'd be a Pride event, and you'd have to stay offline, because you'd find out the results, and they wouldn't air it for a while later.
01:13:58.000I wasn't even that deep into the game yet.
01:14:01.000I was just watching, like, DVDs and YouTube videos, I think.
01:14:04.000And they would have them sometimes live, and, you know, it would be live in America, so you'd have to watch at, like, 4 o'clock in the morning.
01:24:04.000I was actually kind of looking at some stuff, like knowing a few weeks, a month in advance that I'd be here.
01:24:10.000I'm like, I want to see some of Joe Rogan's comedy shit, but I couldn't find a lot of recent stuff.
01:24:15.000I'm going to put some of it online today.
01:24:17.000I have a clip that Netflix sent today that I'll put online, but I haven't done a special in six years because I was supposed to do a special right when the pandemic broke out.
01:26:48.000The UFC champion is the greatest fighter on earth.
01:26:52.000There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
01:26:54.000In that weight class, the UFC champion is the greatest fighter on earth.
01:26:57.000The only thing that you can contest that is with, okay, 1FC has some elite fighters, Bellator has some elite fighters, PFL has some elite fighters.
01:27:05.000There's guys out there that are really elite that just so happen to have been signed by other organizations.
01:27:10.000But MMA fighters at a championship level, You know, ultimately, are the best fighters on earth.
01:29:24.000I don't know if a lot of people realize this, but I've pretty much spent my entire career in the UFC. When I got into the Ultimate Fighter, I had three professional fights.
01:31:21.000And, you know, one thing that's kind of crazy that helped me for the preparation of that fight, because he took it last minute, 10 days notice.
01:32:15.000But when I made that decision to go and, like, actually...
01:32:21.000Learn from a guy who was a Navy SEAL, had a lot of expertise, had a really good way of, like, we spent hours of him just explaining to me certain things, you know, gun safety, blah, blah, blah, different situations, his mentality, clearing buildings, blah, blah, blah.
01:32:40.000So I'm taking all this in, all this information and processing it all, and then I finally start to shoot.
01:32:47.000And the power that I felt from the gun, you know, just like the accuracy that I felt from shooting an AR-15, the understanding of like different caliber bullets made me start to then formulate How I'm going to strike, like, you know, like...
01:33:14.000So, even on the Anthony Smith fight, like, my left hand, I'm like, okay, my left hand is 556. That's the ammunition for fucking, you know, for AR. So, like, that's how I was kind of processing everything.
01:33:27.000So, every time I threw my left hand, I'm thinking of the sound and the feeling of the AR. Really?
01:33:56.000It really, like, I was able to kind of pull from that experience and then bring it into my fight.
01:34:01.000But then also, not only that, I was also thinking about, like, the things that this guy was telling me when it came to, like, when they're in combat, when they're clearing buildings.
01:37:39.000Fuck it like that's why it's kind of hard for me to to like position myself in the right way and like build the fan base and like Have the income and stuff like that.
01:37:47.000I think like that could potentially have right I'm more of an artist because I'm using you know, I need it like right naturally an artist So I like I need to find ways to like how do I express this?
01:38:01.000So every fights different because I'm just trying to find a different way to express myself and like what I'm going through and And how I'm feeling.
01:39:38.000And I've thought about middleweight, but, like, I've done that DEXA scan thing at the PI, and my body with, like, just dense, like, no water, just bone and muscle, it's 186. Oh, God.
01:40:10.000There's a reason why there's a 147 and a 154 and a 160. It's because there really is a difference, Gene, a legitimate, in their prime 154 and a 160. Yeah, for sure.
01:41:13.000And that's why five rounds for me, I feel like it's going to be nothing.
01:41:17.000Because I train year-round at the weight.
01:41:20.000When I rehydrate, I'm back up to 225, blah, blah, blah, where I'm used to carrying my weight.
01:41:25.000So when I'm doing all my drills, when I'm running and when I'm jumping and when I'm doing all of the stuff that I'm doing to get better physically, that same person is the same person that's stepping in the cage.
01:41:37.000I hate the idea of like expecting yourself to perform at the highest level.
01:41:41.000But for the last two weeks or something like you're depleting and then the last day before you expect to be at the height of physical performance, you're dehydrating your body and your brain and everything of everything.
01:43:06.000So let's find out what he actually weighs.
01:43:08.000What do you weigh when you're healthy?
01:43:10.000What do you weigh when you're healthy and lean like you do when you get down to 206 or 207 when right before you cut the last pound or two of weight?
01:43:19.000Let's find that out and that's what you should be fighting at.
01:43:21.000We should have adequate weight classes so that like you don't have an elite fighter that's starving himself to get to a lower weight class because he's really not big enough to compete at the 20 pounds above weight class.
01:43:33.000And this is, I know that one instituted some sort of hydration testing.
01:43:42.000So, I don't, I can't, I can't give like an educated, like I don't have all the facts right now, but from what I've heard is that like it's from the fighters that I have, like friends in one, they just say like it's bullshit and there's also like ways around it.
01:43:56.000Like, they can, for instance, like, they test the hydration, right, in your urine to be able to be like, okay, if we detect that you're dehydrated, then that proves that you're cutting weight.
01:44:10.000But a lot of these guys will dehydrate, they'll cut weight, and then they'll chug a bunch of water and just hold their piss.
01:44:42.000So it's not like you fight at 155, but when we came and tested you, you're 190. When Alex fought Izzy, he weighed in at 85, and then he made it into the cage at 226. 226, yeah.
01:46:09.000Yeah, I just think there's a lot of things that could be done differently, and I think the hydration thing is a real big one.
01:46:16.000I think that's a giant one because it's so bad for the performance of the athletes because it's going to weaken you 100%.
01:46:24.000Even if you're victorious, you look awesome, you look less awesome than you would look if you didn't have to dehydrate yourself 24 hours ago.
01:46:36.000And the instances that I know that people have died from MMA, there was one in Russia where a guy died from a fight that apparently he had like some sort of a pre-existing condition.
01:46:44.000But I know at least two guys who died in Brazil from weight cutting.
01:48:38.000I've been the guy testing all of the new gloves, like with Ember from the UFC. One of the slight changes that they've made is the padding in the glove provides a little bit more curvature towards the fingers.
01:51:50.000So I've been testing that and kind of just doing round after round of just like in the cage, you know, rubbing it on the canvas, rubbing it on the cage, you know, getting it wet, Vaseline, whatever, to just make sure that these logos don't come off because we can't have that, right?
01:53:26.000Like, some guy, like, that eye was just, like, hanging.
01:53:29.000Like, the eyebrow was just hanging by a thread.
01:53:31.000One thing that would be cool is when these moments happen and when these doctors come in to check, obviously, as fighters, we're going to want to keep going, most of us.
01:55:08.000So I think that, like, for instance, like, if I had a cut like that, obviously I'm going to want to keep going, but that's a bad fucking cut.
01:55:15.000That's, like, moments away from, like, your eyes going to be exposed if you get punched one more time.
01:57:26.000Do you think that we, as UFC fighters, should be able to fight in more boxing or Muay Thai type shit, like outside of the UFC? Well, it depends.
01:57:39.000You know, if it's a guy like you, I would say no.
01:57:45.000But if it's a guy who's coming up in the UFC and you're only fighting him once every six months anyway, and he gets a possible Muay Thai fight, if that guy blows his knee out, that's on him.
01:57:59.000If he wants to stay active and do these other things as well, sure.
01:58:02.000But once you become super close and also super valuable, you're a star now.
01:58:09.000And in the UFC, There's only a few guys like you that are not just stars, but win in spectacular fashion, right?
01:58:17.000like I'd be like no you're not boxing no no no no no no no no no and look what it did to Connor okay Like, it completely derailed Conor's career.
01:58:26.000Sure, he made $100 million fighting Floyd Mayweather.
02:01:27.000So yeah, it's the guy that I think about at the moment and my motivation to train and to get better and to be a better person, to be a better man.
02:01:39.000It's like I'm fucking grateful for the guy in a way.
02:03:52.000So the way that these guys are training that are, like, aspiring glory fighters and, you know, current glory fighters, it's a different level, man.
02:04:59.000That's why it's very cringe to me when I come back to America and I see these guys who are teaching Muay Thai and it's like these seven punch combinations.
02:05:06.000Just because it's punching and kicking and you're throwing in knees and elbows doesn't make it Muay Thai.
02:05:17.000For instance, when I was training, my trainer, it's more of like he's drawing out What he kind of wants to see from me based off of my position and like how I'm standing and where I'm standing.
02:05:32.000So he'll have his distance and he'll kind of sometimes won't even really tell me what to do.
02:05:38.000He'll just kind of like insinuate like body kick.
02:07:42.000I prefer the true essence and the true martial art of Muay Thai because when you kind of understand it and when you've kind of learned it from just different traditions and different lineages, it's like you can pick up on things that you're like, okay, now, okay, yeah, this is, I can fucking ruin someone.
02:08:05.000If I relax right here and I'm standing just like an arm's length of this guy and I just want to really blast a kick and be on balance, I could ruin this guy.
02:08:14.000You also were telling me that they changed the way you were kicking.
02:08:23.000It's like if you go to a jiu-jitsu school and an arm bar is an arm bar, but people have different ways of setting it up or more effective to get it.
02:08:32.000The biggest thing that kind of helped me was, for one, like...
02:08:38.000A lot of people, when they kick, they lean back to kind of counterbalance that weight.
02:08:43.000And my trainer always told me, he always had me drive my pressure forward.
02:08:48.000I actually wished that I was fucking training with you while I was here.
02:08:51.000Side note, I was like, damn, dude, sick to show some stuff to Rogan.
02:10:33.000I just have a bag in my house and everything's usually like slow, just getting my body to move and Comfortable with lifting my leg and it just be effortless.
02:11:42.000So try not, like, even here, I'm trying not to lean my head back and try to keep more of like a station, like a straight up and down posture while throwing the kick.
02:11:52.000It's very hard, but it's like, as you practice it, it only makes the kicks a little bit more effective.
02:16:57.000Actually, not on the topic of rubber guard, but after we're done with this, I'm going to show you this six sweep thing that I'm working on.
02:17:10.000It's unseen, unheard of, and it's a mixture of what I've learned, like some Muay Thai concepts and methods mixed with what I've been learning in my Jiu-Jitsu.
02:17:24.000Because I'm training with a guy who's a black belt under Damien Maia.
02:17:28.000And so a lot of the Jiu-Jitsu stuff that I'm learning from him is amazingly effective.
02:17:34.000Especially for my mentality and like my body style.
02:17:37.000So like in my off time and in my stretching and just my artistic mind, I was like, how do I blend these two together?
02:17:54.000Yeah, I'd say like my pad work, like my MMA pad work is a lot of hands.
02:18:00.000Not necessarily like boxing, boxing, just kind of like MMA boxing.
02:18:05.000But I mean, I would love to do more boxing.
02:18:08.000I just noticed that when I focus on boxing, like I have in the past, I just get a little bit more flat-footed.
02:18:17.000And because of my nature and my spirit, I'm just willing to stand and bang.
02:18:23.000And I'm waiting on counters, and I'm waiting to roll, and I'm like, oh, I'm going to just wait right here, and I'm going to slip and react and counter.
02:18:31.000So it sometimes can put me in a little bit of a bad position.
02:18:35.000But if I find the right boxing trainer that kind of understands MMA and understands my style...
02:18:41.000I could see it being effective, but I haven't found that yet.
02:18:54.000I really, really am, especially after the—well, I've been a fan for a long time, but the Anthony Smith fight was like, it shows me that you are— You're right there.
02:19:29.000Yeah, I want to work on a website and just get a little bit more, give some more content, interact with fans and stuff in a whole different way.
02:19:40.000Possibly start to provide more videos and just some more interaction.
02:19:44.000So all that's a process, but for now, just hit me up on Instagram.