The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #163

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00:00:09.000 Gentlemen, we still don't have a name for this.

00:00:13.000 We're not the cucks, right?

00:00:15.000 What was wrong with the cucks?

00:00:17.000 What happened with Protect Your Neck?

00:00:18.000 Protect Your Neck?

00:00:20.000 I think Protect Your Neck is best.

00:00:22.000 That's the best one.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, let's go with Protect Your Neck.

00:00:24.000 I'm down with that.

00:00:25.000 Protect Your Neck is gonna have the Wu-Tang theme song.

00:00:28.000 Yeah, Wu-Tang.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, the theme song's already done for us.

00:00:32.000 Exactly.

00:00:32.000 We got it.

00:00:33.000 There's two Wu-Tang songs I always listen to when I'm going to an arena, when I'm doing a show.

00:00:37.000 It's Protect Your Neck and Gravel Pit.

00:00:39.000 Those two, they just get you in the groove.

00:00:41.000 Especially Gravel Pit.

00:00:43.000 Oh, there it is.

00:00:47.000 This is our theme song, boys.

00:00:49.000 I like it.

00:00:50.000 That's all we got.

00:00:50.000 We're all getting kicked off of YouTube.

00:00:52.000 Even that might get us in trouble.

00:00:54.000 You all right there, Rollo?

00:00:55.000 Are you fingering that skull?

00:00:57.000 Yeah, not hearing anything right now.

00:00:59.000 For real?

00:01:00.000 All right.

00:01:00.000 We're going to pause real quick, see if Jamie can fix this.

00:01:02.000 We'll pause.

00:01:03.000 Can you hear it now, Rollo?

00:01:04.000 Yes, sir.

00:01:04.000 Hey, you know what we never tried?

00:01:07.000 What?

00:01:08.000 The smelling salts.

00:01:09.000 We got them right here.

00:01:10.000 But we gotta show Dean the sheathing.

00:01:13.000 Oh, what is the fucking sheathing?

00:01:15.000 What does that mean?

00:01:15.000 It's when metal rings.

00:01:17.000 We were all talking about it.

00:01:18.000 The three of us have rings on, but they're rubber.

00:01:21.000 All right, let me see.

00:01:22.000 Look at this.

00:01:22.000 Oh, my chicken wings.

00:01:28.000 That's what happens.

00:01:29.000 Don't wear a ring on the mat.

00:01:31.000 Ever.

00:01:32.000 All right.

00:01:33.000 Don't wear a ring to the gym.

00:01:36.000 You could drop a weight on it or rip your finger off.

00:01:39.000 You wear these.

00:01:40.000 These are great.

00:01:42.000 Just don't wear nothing.

00:01:43.000 That way you can cheat too.

00:01:46.000 I think the goofiest looking one is the tattooed ring.

00:01:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:50.000 That one's goofy.

00:01:51.000 It's almost as bad as the bicep with the fucking chain with the, you know, the old school barbed wire.

00:02:00.000 I'm actually wearing my Marvel ring.

00:02:04.000 It says Marvel on it.

00:02:04.000 There you go.

00:02:05.000 Good man.

00:02:06.000 It does actually say Marvel.

00:02:08.000 Your wife, my Shane, your fucking...

00:02:13.000 This fucking dork.

00:02:17.000 I married a dork.

00:02:17.000 It's nice, though.

00:02:18.000 When I get married with the rubber rings, I can just fling it at her.

00:02:21.000 I think she got me the ring.

00:02:25.000 Yeah, I'll just fling it right at her.

00:02:26.000 You can use it like a slingshot.

00:02:29.000 Yeah, I heard about a dude in, God, I forget who's Jim, some big name dude, and he took a photo of one of his students and said, don't ever come onto my mat with a ring on, ever, ever again.

00:02:43.000 This is what happens, and he posted it.

00:02:45.000 I don't remember who posted it, but fuck, man, it's just too dangerous.

00:02:51.000 You basically have a metal wedge on your finger.

00:02:53.000 If you're doing anything heavy, if you're in the outdoors, if you're climbing something, it can just dig right into your meat and rip your fucking finger apart.

00:03:01.000 When I was...

00:03:04.000 When I was fighting, when I was champ, I had the...

00:03:06.000 I just got married, I was telling you earlier, and when I had the ring on, this was before they had the rubber rings, you know?

00:03:13.000 And guys get excited to see you, so sometimes you give them the hand, they squeeze your fingers, and it's so much...

00:03:19.000 You're trying to be nice, and I'm just like, give me my hand!

00:03:25.000 It was not that's why you wear a wedding ring on your left hand so you could shake hands with your right Yeah, I mean that's good.

00:03:33.000 It's good.

00:03:34.000 That totally makes sense It does especially I hate those douchebags that always try to give you that fucking they have a nice squeeze and They try to break your hand.

00:03:43.000 That gets on my fucking nerves when you squeeze your fingers.

00:03:46.000 It's a bitch move.

00:03:47.000 Shake your hand, dude.

00:03:48.000 I like a firm handshake.

00:03:50.000 I like a man with a firm handshake.

00:03:52.000 Look in the eyes.

00:03:53.000 I like a firm handshake, but I don't like that finger squeezing bullshit because that's cheating.

00:03:58.000 Agreed.

00:03:59.000 You know I don't have a good grip, but you're squeezing anyway.

00:04:02.000 That's a douchebag move.

00:04:03.000 A nice person would relax their hand, you slide your position, and you give each other a nice firm handshake.

00:04:10.000 That's right.

00:04:10.000 For sure.

00:04:11.000 Even that, like when guys try to over, like they got a real strong grip and they try to fucking give you that squeeze.

00:04:17.000 I just feel, especially my right hand, like I got a fucking bump here from Shoney caught his head.

00:04:21.000 I bumped his, I had a hoof after I got done with that second fight.

00:04:24.000 Remember that shit?

00:04:25.000 It was a balloon.

00:04:26.000 And it's still, like I used to have to double wrap it when I hit with Longo after a while.

00:04:30.000 So when guys squeeze that shit, I feel like, alright dude, alright, you got me beat with the grip, but I'll fucking strangle the fuck out of here.

00:04:35.000 What are you trying to show?

00:04:36.000 What are you trying to show?

00:04:36.000 Do you do that gripping thing?

00:04:39.000 Fuck yourself.

00:04:39.000 It's like men feel so uncomfortable when they're around a guy like you.

00:04:43.000 They don't know how to behave.

00:04:45.000 Can I grip some coffee?

00:04:46.000 Yeah, it's for you.

00:04:46.000 I'll do like a sneak.

00:04:47.000 Do you want the espresso or do you want a cup?

00:04:49.000 There's a cup because it's just regular coffee.

00:04:51.000 Oh, that's a lot better.

00:04:52.000 Yeah, I make a mess.

00:04:53.000 Because, like, you know, when they get around a guy like you, they don't know what to do.

00:04:57.000 Because guys always like to pretend that they can beat another guy's ass.

00:05:01.000 Even if they're just posturing, like, I'll fuck that guy up.

00:05:04.000 They meet a guy like you, all of a sudden they're like, Hey, how are you?

00:05:07.000 Nice to meet you.

00:05:07.000 That's why I put on some weight.

00:05:09.000 That's why I'm trying to get over 200. Just so I can posture on them back, you know what I'm saying?

00:05:13.000 I understand.

00:05:14.000 Flex a little bit.

00:05:15.000 Like, if you're meeting Francis Ngannou, how fucking terrifying is that?

00:05:18.000 Oh, yeah, no doubt.

00:05:19.000 You're regular, dude.

00:05:21.000 You're regular.

00:05:25.000 I remember the first time I interviewed him, I was standing next to him, I'm like, what the fuck, man?

00:05:30.000 That guy is so powerful.

00:05:32.000 He's fighting a guy bigger than him.

00:05:34.000 That guy is good.

00:05:38.000 He is good.

00:05:40.000 He's like 6'8".

00:05:41.000 He KO'd Ryan Bader real quick, right?

00:05:45.000 He jabbed him or something.

00:05:47.000 Dude, he hit him with a clean right hand.

00:05:50.000 Let's watch that, because this guy's good, dude.

00:05:52.000 This is a dangerous fight.

00:05:54.000 I haven't seen the size of him.

00:05:55.000 After a bad KO, you have to think, he fights Anthony Joshua.

00:05:59.000 That was a bad KO from one of the best knockout artists in boxing, right?

00:06:03.000 How tall?

00:06:04.000 This guy's big.

00:06:05.000 And he's athletic too.

00:06:07.000 He's really athletic too.

00:06:08.000 Super fast, man.

00:06:10.000 And he does a lot of wild shit.

00:06:12.000 He throws a lot of kicks and knees.

00:06:13.000 Dude, he's good.

00:06:15.000 How much taller is he than...

00:06:16.000 A few inches.

00:06:17.000 I think Francis is like 6'5".

00:06:21.000 Something like that.

00:06:23.000 This guy's- he's taller.

00:06:24.000 Francis is bigger, though, for sure.

00:06:26.000 But this guy's fucking dangerous, man.

00:06:29.000 And he's real long.

00:06:31.000 Like, watch this combination when he lands it on Bader.

00:06:33.000 See, Bader can't close the distance here.

00:06:35.000 He's having a hard- this guy's from the outside, son!

00:06:38.000 Look at that right hand!

00:06:40.000 He waited for him to throw that jab.

00:06:41.000 Bro, watch that again.

00:06:43.000 That shit was perfect.

00:06:44.000 Watch that again.

00:06:44.000 Look at the timing on this guy, man.

00:06:47.000 Watch this.

00:06:47.000 Bader's trying to close.

00:06:48.000 He's trying to close.

00:06:50.000 Check out this.

00:06:50.000 Watch this fade away a little to his left.

00:06:52.000 Boom!

00:06:53.000 Oh!

00:06:54.000 I mean, that's right over the jab.

00:06:57.000 That guy can do that to anybody.

00:06:59.000 That guy's dangerous, man.

00:07:00.000 He's fucking dangerous.

00:07:02.000 Dude, his footwork was real nice.

00:07:04.000 But Bader's also 40 and, you know...

00:07:07.000 100%.

00:07:08.000 100%.

00:07:09.000 But Bader and Heavyweight's been doing pretty good.

00:07:12.000 Especially in them Bellator testing.

00:07:15.000 What kind of test is that?

00:07:17.000 That's a multiple choice test.

00:07:22.000 How many times did Bobby Lashley compete?

00:07:25.000 No disrespect to Bobby Lashley.

00:07:27.000 But still.

00:07:28.000 We know what's up.

00:07:29.000 He was always on an Indian reservation somewhere.

00:07:33.000 No real commission.

00:07:35.000 Bro, what a body though.

00:07:37.000 Bobby Lashley's the only guy I've ever fought in MMA that looked like he'd enter a bodybuilding competition the day of the fight.

00:07:46.000 Mark Kirk in his prime too.

00:07:48.000 Randy Randleman was pretty...

00:07:50.000 Oh, Randleman, for sure.

00:07:51.000 Yeah, but we know...

00:07:52.000 That's him.

00:07:53.000 Yo, fuck.

00:07:55.000 I was like a WWE guy.

00:07:56.000 He is.

00:07:57.000 He was.

00:07:57.000 He was, and he can fight, man.

00:07:59.000 Yo, he can fight.

00:07:59.000 Was he like a D2 national champ or something like that as a wrestler?

00:08:04.000 Yeah, he was.

00:08:04.000 Yeah, he was a real legit wrestler.

00:08:06.000 He's a legit fighter.

00:08:08.000 Legit fighter.

00:08:08.000 But there ain't no way you're testing positive or negative.

00:08:12.000 Yeah, because he wrestled at like 189 in college.

00:08:15.000 Also, he's 48. Whoa.

00:08:17.000 You know, but look, no disrespect.

00:08:19.000 Guy looks fucking great.

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00:10:19.000 It's amazing some guys are natural, like Paulo Costa.

00:10:22.000 He's just got the genes, son.

00:10:24.000 Is he natural?

00:10:25.000 I don't know.

00:10:27.000 I'm guessing.

00:10:28.000 Maybe.

00:10:28.000 What do you think?

00:10:29.000 I think he plays it up with the secret juice.

00:10:31.000 I love that shit.

00:10:32.000 I didn't think you'd be talking that much shit if you were really just...

00:10:35.000 He always looks the same.

00:10:37.000 He never tests positive.

00:10:38.000 And the guy has crazy genetics.

00:10:40.000 Like, look how handsome he is.

00:10:41.000 Look at that broad jaw.

00:10:42.000 That is true.

00:10:43.000 The guy's got freak genetics just in looks and also in his build.

00:10:47.000 He's been tested a billion times.

00:10:49.000 A billion times.

00:10:49.000 Yeah, motherfuckers have chemists out there.

00:10:51.000 Hey, you used to work for American Top Team.

00:10:55.000 Tell us the secrets that they got over in that fucking...

00:10:57.000 It's not a secret, man.

00:11:01.000 It's not a secret.

00:11:02.000 I want to know what the fuck happens over there.

00:11:03.000 I am not going to Juliana Pena this one.

00:11:06.000 No.

00:11:08.000 I'm not doing that.

00:11:09.000 I'm not going there.

00:11:09.000 You're no longer getting paid by that.

00:11:11.000 Oh my God.

00:11:12.000 Oh my God.

00:11:13.000 By the way, great work with Sean Brady.

00:11:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:16.000 Sean Brady's an animal, man.

00:11:17.000 Oh, he looked great.

00:11:18.000 He looked great.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, man.

00:11:20.000 He's a hard-working kid.

00:11:21.000 He's young.

00:11:21.000 I know he was on this show before.

00:11:22.000 He's young, hard-working, and he's on his way up.

00:11:26.000 Bro, he's got a double-sized back.

00:11:29.000 He looks like he's got a turtle shell.

00:11:31.000 Yeah, it's like it's double-sized.

00:11:33.000 And that's genetic, like his father has that.

00:11:35.000 That's crazy.

00:11:35.000 His fight the other night with Gilbert Burns was fucking smart, man.

00:11:40.000 It was impressive.

00:11:41.000 Because even though he has really, really good wrestling, he knew not to shoot his wad trying to get him down.

00:11:47.000 Because Gilbert's fucking...

00:11:49.000 What I love about Gilbert, and it happened in the Damian Maia fight...

00:11:53.000 If he's getting out-wrestled, the second he hits the floor, right into jiu-jitsu, sweeps, half-guard, he's playing jiu-jitsu, they go to play back, he's back to his feet.

00:12:01.000 It's really nice.

00:12:02.000 Gilbert is one of the very best ever on the ground in MMA. It's like we've just seen him in so many stand-up wars because it's so fucking hard to get people to the ground.

00:12:11.000 Ultimately, that's where it becomes a problem, right?

00:12:14.000 It's just so hard to get a world-class guy to the ground.

00:12:17.000 Well, I mean, so when Hamzat fought Gilbert, Hamzat was on top for a second.

00:12:20.000 And as soon as Gilbert started playing Jiu Jitsu, Hamzat was like, get me the fuck out of here.

00:12:25.000 He stood up quick.

00:12:27.000 But that's what's so smart about Brady, though, because he was patient up against the cage.

00:12:31.000 And then he waited to the later rounds.

00:12:33.000 He's the younger guy.

00:12:34.000 He's banking on his cardio.

00:12:36.000 Then he started committing to those doubles.

00:12:38.000 And now he's got a better chance of getting more time on top.

00:12:41.000 If you look at him in comparison, he doesn't have the same accolades as far as jujitsu competitions as Gilbert does, but he's like world class.

00:12:51.000 He's straight up.

00:12:52.000 For sure, for sure.

00:12:53.000 He's definitely legit.

00:12:54.000 Craig Jones.

00:12:54.000 There was a special rules thing.

00:12:57.000 There were no leg locks.

00:12:58.000 That was it.

00:12:58.000 There were no leg locks.

00:12:59.000 Which is, you know, with Craig Jones.

00:13:01.000 That's a big part of his game.

00:13:02.000 Yeah, if you're going to compete against that guy, you've got to let him use the whole game.

00:13:05.000 It's the whole game.

00:13:06.000 You don't say you can't use your best stuff.

00:13:09.000 It was pretty stale, but Brady can hang with anybody on the ground.

00:13:14.000 He's so strong, he can hang with anybody.

00:13:16.000 And I firmly believe that Craig Nelson, Craig Jones rather, if Craig Jones got him in any kind of a position, like a heel hook, he would never rip his shit apart.

00:13:26.000 Right.

00:13:26.000 Yeah, no doubt.

00:13:27.000 There's no chance.

00:13:28.000 But I understand these UFC fighters, the current fighters.

00:13:31.000 Look what happened to Cub Swanson.

00:13:33.000 I'm all for these guys taking grappling matches, but I'm also for them taking it with certain rules.

00:13:38.000 Exactly.

00:13:40.000 I was trying to tell that to Khalil Roundtree.

00:13:42.000 Because Khalil Roundtree, before he got the title fight, was in here.

00:13:44.000 He was telling me he was going to take a grappling match.

00:13:47.000 I go, think about Cub Swanson.

00:13:48.000 He blows his ACL out.

00:13:50.000 He's gone for nine, ten months, and he's in the 30s.

00:13:54.000 He's already in his 30s.

00:13:55.000 That's a death sentence almost.

00:13:57.000 He came back.

00:13:58.000 You can come back, but it's so unnecessary.

00:14:01.000 I get you're a badass, but you're also a professional athlete.

00:14:05.000 You can't be motorbike riding.

00:14:07.000 Cerrone did it.

00:14:09.000 Cerrone must be the biggest headache for the UFC. He's out there fucking riding poles, jumping jet skis.

00:14:15.000 I don't remember him pulling out of too many fights, though.

00:14:18.000 No, I don't believe he ever did.

00:14:19.000 I don't remember a single fight.

00:14:22.000 I mean, there might have been one his whole career, but he had to have a broken fucking leg or something.

00:14:27.000 But he was still reckless as fuck.

00:14:28.000 He was still out there doing dumb shit.

00:14:30.000 He's an adrenaline junkie, man.

00:14:31.000 Yeah, he's a freak.

00:14:32.000 He's still out there doing it.

00:14:33.000 He's still out there doing it.

00:14:34.000 Same reason why people stick around too long in the game.

00:14:36.000 Yeah, but that's also why he's so much fun to watch, man, because he genuinely didn't give a fuck, you know?

00:14:42.000 In the early days of his career, man, he was very interesting because he was a wild kickboxer that had a great triangle.

00:14:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:48.000 So he finished off a lot of his early fights with jiu-jitsu.

00:14:51.000 Right.

00:14:52.000 Yeah, he was good off his back.

00:14:54.000 Nasty off his back.

00:14:55.000 So guys would want to take him down, and then he'd throw up that triangle.

00:14:58.000 His first fight with Benson Henderson was one of the sickest fights ever.

00:15:03.000 He had Benson in a hundred different submissions, and Benson got out all of them.

00:15:08.000 It was pretty sick.

00:15:10.000 Benson doesn't get enough love.

00:15:13.000 Yeah, it was a great fight when they were in the WEC. Damn, dude.

00:15:17.000 Do you think about all the fucking wars that a lot of people have forgot about?

00:15:21.000 Yeah, I know.

00:15:23.000 Because there's so many fights now.

00:15:24.000 I know, right.

00:15:24.000 It's not like when we were fighting back in the day, it was far and few between.

00:15:29.000 It was an event because there was only a few a year, you know?

00:15:30.000 Exactly.

00:15:31.000 Right.

00:15:31.000 People forgot about Jose Aldo's beginnings.

00:15:34.000 Man.

00:15:35.000 When he goes into WEC, was there anybody really better?

00:15:39.000 He's a complete fighter.

00:15:41.000 Yeah, he's for sure the best WEC fighter.

00:15:44.000 Look, you can't keep that pace.

00:15:46.000 Whatever that pace is when a guy is at the top of the food chain, you can't keep that pace up for very long.

00:15:51.000 He kept it for 10 years.

00:15:52.000 I always say you have to look at a guy...

00:15:55.000 By where he was when he was at his best.

00:15:57.000 Like if we're gonna do this like who's the best guy ever thing, that's why I always throw BJ Penn in there.

00:16:01.000 Me too!

00:16:02.000 Because BJ Penn, and you fought him, BJ Penn in his fucking prime was a demon.

00:16:06.000 And he ran through everybody.

00:16:10.000 But when he was in his prime it was like BJ and then everybody else.

00:16:15.000 Yes.

00:16:15.000 For sure.

00:16:16.000 You just can't keep that up forever.

00:16:18.000 So if you look at Aldo, like the Aldo that fought Uriah, remember what he did to Uriah's leg?

00:16:22.000 Jesus.

00:16:23.000 And how tough is Uriah?

00:16:24.000 How many dudes would have tapped?

00:16:26.000 How many dudes would have just rolled over and that would have been the end of it?

00:16:29.000 I think Alde respected him and actually backed off towards the end because of it.

00:16:32.000 I think he did too.

00:16:33.000 This guy might have lost his leg.

00:16:35.000 I mean, he almost got compartment syndrome.

00:16:37.000 Yeah, he did.

00:16:37.000 Right?

00:16:38.000 He had to go in a hyperbaric chamber every day to try to heal that fucking thing.

00:16:41.000 Yeah man, full disclosure, like at the end of my career when I was fighting in 45, I was like, I'll fight anybody but Aldo.

00:16:48.000 I ain't fighting that guy.

00:16:49.000 I ain't fighting that guy.

00:16:51.000 That's the piece that's missing from him later was the frequency of his leg kicks.

00:16:58.000 You think it was just cause of injuries?

00:17:01.000 He started boxing a lot.

00:17:02.000 Is he back now, by the way?

00:17:05.000 He is back.

00:17:06.000 I think your fucking shins just go, man.

00:17:09.000 I mean, think about it.

00:17:10.000 That's what was going on with Amanda, right?

00:17:12.000 She was having nerve damage in her shins.

00:17:14.000 Just think about it, especially now with the calf kick, how many guys that fought Pejeta are going to be fucked up for the rest of their life?

00:17:21.000 You know?

00:17:22.000 How many guys are gonna have like some weird thing with their foot?

00:17:25.000 They're gonna get like dropped foot or something from nerve damage.

00:17:27.000 My biggest fear was that shin break, like what happened to Chris.

00:17:32.000 Even before it happened in the UFC, I seen it in kickboxing and I'm like, you know, it's horrible.

00:17:39.000 You could trust your shins, but how do you know?

00:17:42.000 How the fuck do you know?

00:17:43.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:17:44.000 It was always something in the back of my head when I was throwing kicks.

00:17:48.000 And it's so spontaneous, too.

00:17:50.000 Even when I'm watching fights now, when it happens, I always have this response of, be ready to look away, because if a leg snaps, I don't want to see that.

00:17:58.000 Nobody wants to see that.

00:17:59.000 Yeah.

00:17:59.000 You know, it's interesting the way Pajeda does everything.

00:18:02.000 I don't think he runs the risk as much of that because, first of all, he kind of kicks around the outside of your leg always.

00:18:11.000 He never goes shin to shin.

00:18:12.000 And even when he kicks the thigh, he's like kicking up.

00:18:16.000 Yeah, it's like an upward, even on the back.

00:18:18.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:18:19.000 He always catches that back angle or an up kick.

00:18:21.000 Until he wants to smoke you like Yuri.

00:18:24.000 Like Yuri, he came across and just smoked him.

00:18:27.000 But it wasn't just about touching.

00:18:28.000 He knew he already had him.

00:18:29.000 He almost knocked him out at the end of the first.

00:18:31.000 He knew he had him.

00:18:33.000 But it's just the power that he can generate from no hip at all.

00:18:38.000 He's just slapping you.

00:18:39.000 Yeah, he doesn't really have a tail.

00:18:42.000 It just...

00:18:43.000 It's crazy because it's the perfect combination of a guy who has this insane God-given power.

00:18:50.000 He's got insane one-touch-of-death power, and then the intelligence to not wind up.

00:18:56.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:18:58.000 He's just tapping you with it, tapping you with it, but the thuds are so bad.

00:19:03.000 It's such a clean shot.

00:19:05.000 Yeah, it's a clean shot, I think.

00:19:07.000 This is going to be a wild take.

00:19:11.000 I don't think it's going to be a popular take.

00:19:12.000 I think that Pereira is going to mix in a takedown.

00:19:18.000 Really?

00:19:18.000 I think!

00:19:19.000 What?

00:19:19.000 I think!

00:19:21.000 Against Khalil?

00:19:23.000 I don't know.

00:19:24.000 Maybe I'm retarded.

00:19:25.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:19:26.000 I think...

00:19:27.000 I think...

00:19:28.000 That's already been established.

00:19:30.000 I could be.

00:19:31.000 We've known that for a long time, Matt.

00:19:34.000 You say that to me every week.

00:19:36.000 It's already been established.

00:19:37.000 Hear me out.

00:19:38.000 Yes, he's...

00:19:39.000 I mean, listen, you don't get more confident on the feet than him, but...

00:19:44.000 He hangs out with our good friend, the great Glover Teixeira.

00:19:47.000 Yeah.

00:19:47.000 And you see him sparring.

00:19:49.000 You see him mixing that shit in.

00:19:50.000 Is he doing it for shits and giggles?

00:19:52.000 Is he doing it to work his cardio?

00:19:53.000 Maybe.

00:19:54.000 Or he could be dealing with Khalil Roundtree and say, you know what?

00:19:58.000 Let me show them.

00:19:59.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:20:00.000 Why not give him a wrinkle just to give him something to think about?

00:20:04.000 Well, he's got to learn it, right?

00:20:05.000 And he is learning it.

00:20:06.000 And why not just do that, too?

00:20:08.000 If he could just mix that in, how many more strikes would he land, too?

00:20:11.000 Because then if there's a real threat of him taking you down...

00:20:14.000 Oh, yeah, for sure, yeah.

00:20:15.000 And by the way, how fucking strong is that guy on the ground, probably?

00:20:18.000 I know.

00:20:19.000 His hands are probably so big, he's just like...

00:20:21.000 He's got baseball mitts.

00:20:24.000 That dude's made out of wood.

00:20:26.000 When I put my hand on him to talk to him, he's made out of wood.

00:20:30.000 Especially at 85. What does the comma mean when he says comma?

00:20:33.000 Shama.

00:20:34.000 Shama.

00:20:35.000 It means everything.

00:20:36.000 It means fight.

00:20:37.000 It means fuck yeah.

00:20:38.000 Shama.

00:20:39.000 It's cool when he says it.

00:20:40.000 When someone says they want to fight, he's like, Shama.

00:20:42.000 And you're like, Shama.

00:20:43.000 You don't want to hear that from that team.

00:20:46.000 You'd rather hear him talk some shit than hear him.

00:20:48.000 Shama.

00:20:49.000 He's got the scariest walkout of all time.

00:20:53.000 That little limp that he does.

00:20:55.000 Bro.

00:20:56.000 And he yells.

00:20:57.000 You're in that octagon waiting for him and you see that stomp.

00:21:01.000 Hey, yo, yo, yo, hey, yo, yo.

00:21:03.000 Think about his come up, man.

00:21:05.000 He was able to come up this year without talking shit.

00:21:09.000 Yeah, at all.

00:21:11.000 All these fighters think they gotta talk shit to come up.

00:21:14.000 He did it by just stepping up to the plate and fighting and knocking motherfuckers out.

00:21:18.000 He doesn't even smile.

00:21:21.000 Much less talk about that.

00:21:22.000 He leans into that Easter Island thing, too.

00:21:25.000 He'll wear the chain with the big head.

00:21:28.000 Seriously, he thought him and Jamal were going to be cool with each other.

00:21:31.000 And then Jamal started clowning him.

00:21:33.000 And he got angry.

00:21:34.000 He got really angry.

00:21:35.000 It was a mistake.

00:21:36.000 You don't want that guy angry.

00:21:38.000 But Jamal, like, that fight, like, there was that weird moment where he kicked Jamal in the nuts, you know, or Jamal kicked him in the nuts, rather.

00:21:46.000 And he waved, when he waved her off, and he did a little step in there.

00:21:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:52.000 He got a little closer.

00:21:53.000 Right.

00:21:54.000 He got in the kitchen.

00:21:55.000 Yeah, but Jamal, I talked to Jamal about that.

00:21:57.000 Like, Jamal called all of us on the broadcast.

00:21:59.000 He was like, yo!

00:22:00.000 And he was like, he stepped on and got the angle, and I couldn't move because Herb Dean was there.

00:22:05.000 He's right.

00:22:05.000 He's definitely right.

00:22:06.000 But we didn't see it.

00:22:08.000 Right.

00:22:08.000 I didn't see that.

00:22:10.000 All I was thinking is, so there's so much happens, right?

00:22:12.000 A guy gets kicked in the nuts.

00:22:13.000 I'm like, oh, shit.

00:22:14.000 Is he hurt?

00:22:15.000 First question is always, is this going to fuck the fight up?

00:22:18.000 Like, how long is this going to be?

00:22:20.000 Okay, he's got to take a break.

00:22:22.000 Is he going to be okay?

00:22:22.000 Because I think, like, every time you get kicked in the nuts, one point.

00:22:25.000 Every time you get eye poked, one point.

00:22:27.000 Because even if it's an accident, if you get slammed in your nuts, and then you have to go back to fighting two minutes later, you've been affected.

00:22:35.000 Yeah, no doubt.

00:22:36.000 Two minutes ago, you couldn't even fight.

00:22:37.000 Yeah, no doubt.

00:22:38.000 And now all of a sudden, you're supposed to fight full clip against a guy who's trying to kill you, who just cracked you in the nuts?

00:22:44.000 Who's that?

00:22:45.000 Is that you, Dean?

00:22:47.000 Is that you, Matt?

00:22:47.000 Not me.

00:22:48.000 I'm a professional.

00:22:50.000 Who is it?

00:22:50.000 I'm on airplane mode.

00:22:51.000 Hold on, let me see.

00:22:52.000 I think it's Steve Thomas.

00:22:53.000 Is that you, dude?

00:22:54.000 Oh, it's a side phone.

00:22:55.000 It is me.

00:22:56.000 Oh, it is.

00:22:56.000 Son of a bitch.

00:22:57.000 You son of a bitch.

00:22:58.000 Hold on, man.

00:22:58.000 Wait a minute.

00:22:59.000 I gotta tell you.

00:23:00.000 You know what?

00:23:01.000 You know what?

00:23:02.000 I've been listening to you motherfuckers telling me to get an iPhone, and I don't know how to work it.

00:23:08.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:23:09.000 I'll help you.

00:23:10.000 There's a little button on the top.

00:23:12.000 It should shut it off.

00:23:13.000 All right, let me shut this off.

00:23:14.000 All you can do, do not disturb.

00:23:15.000 You know how to do that?

00:23:16.000 No, I don't know how to do that.

00:23:17.000 Okay, look.

00:23:17.000 Put it on airplane mode.

00:23:18.000 Open your phone up and then scroll down.

00:23:21.000 Like, scroll down from the top and then you can get to airplane mode.

00:23:23.000 No, I would rather just turn it off.

00:23:25.000 Do not disturb.

00:23:26.000 All right, just turn it off.

00:23:27.000 How about I put it on the floor and stamp on it?

00:23:28.000 Let me see.

00:23:29.000 Yeah, here we go.

00:23:30.000 I turned it off.

00:23:30.000 All right.

00:23:31.000 So anyway, we're talking about Alex and Jamal.

00:23:36.000 We didn't notice it.

00:23:37.000 We didn't notice it because, okay, he gets kicked in the nuts, like, oh shit, they stop in the fight, what's going on?

00:23:42.000 So I didn't notice that little hop in here that he did.

00:23:44.000 He already got closer.

00:23:46.000 Yeah, you see, now he got the foot on the outside.

00:23:47.000 Yeah.

00:23:48.000 I mean, it's brilliant on his part.

00:23:50.000 But on the flip side, Herb wasn't in Jamal's way.

00:23:52.000 He could definitely have moved if he wanted.

00:23:54.000 Right, but Jamal did relax.

00:23:55.000 Look, he relaxed, he strained his legs, he gave him the thumbs up, are we cool?

00:24:00.000 And it looked like he was trying to touch gloves, so they touched gloves.

00:24:03.000 But he's already way closer than he's ever been before.

00:24:06.000 Most of the fight up until this point was fought with Jamal about a foot past where they are right now.

00:24:12.000 He was in the outside and he was touching him from the outside and that was his game plan.

00:24:17.000 I talked to him on the phone about it.

00:24:19.000 He was explaining to me his game plan.

00:24:20.000 Everything was going great.

00:24:21.000 Who, Jamal?

00:24:22.000 Yeah.

00:24:22.000 He had a point.

00:24:24.000 He had a fucking real point.

00:24:25.000 Did he call you too?

00:24:26.000 Yeah.

00:24:27.000 I called him.

00:24:30.000 But he's right, because we didn't notice it.

00:24:32.000 But this is one of those moments where you're like, are they stopping the fight?

00:24:35.000 No.

00:24:35.000 Okay, they're not stopping the fight.

00:24:36.000 Like, I didn't realize anything.

00:24:38.000 That little hop-hop he does?

00:24:40.000 Yeah.

00:24:40.000 That little hop-hop is legit, dude.

00:24:43.000 It's such a good move.

00:24:44.000 Watch it now.

00:24:45.000 Let's see.

00:24:45.000 Watch.

00:24:46.000 So Herb moves to him.

00:24:47.000 He's going to stop the fight.

00:24:48.000 He puts his hand up.

00:24:50.000 Watch this.

00:24:51.000 He touches him.

00:24:53.000 Nope.

00:24:53.000 But look how close he is now.

00:24:55.000 See how close he is now?

00:24:57.000 He's a lot closer.

00:24:58.000 Back it up.

00:24:59.000 Back it up.

00:24:59.000 Back it up before the nut shot.

00:25:01.000 Now look at the distance now.

00:25:02.000 See the distance?

00:25:03.000 Big difference.

00:25:04.000 Big difference.

00:25:05.000 Jamal does fire off first though, doesn't he?

00:25:06.000 Watch.

00:25:07.000 After he gets kicked.

00:25:10.000 Yeah, probably.

00:25:11.000 Let's see.

00:25:11.000 Who throws the first punch?

00:25:12.000 Jamal throws it first, though, I think.

00:25:14.000 Does he?

00:25:14.000 He might be right.

00:25:16.000 He's getting a corner.

00:25:17.000 Look at Jamal.

00:25:17.000 Ready?

00:25:17.000 Jamal throw it.

00:25:18.000 They throw it at the same time.

00:25:19.000 He did throw it.

00:25:20.000 But also, it's obvious that Alex is coming in.

00:25:23.000 But he also put his hand on the outside of Jamal's hand that cleared the angle for him to throw the left hook over top of it.

00:25:29.000 And dude, his left hook, it's like a shovel hook.

00:25:32.000 Half an uppercut, half a hook.

00:25:34.000 And it's just perfect.

00:25:35.000 Perfect.

00:25:36.000 Alright, maybe he won't shoot on Khalil.

00:25:39.000 Remember when Khalil knocked down Gokhan Saki?

00:25:43.000 Dude, he's fucking dangerous.

00:25:46.000 Yeah, I know.

00:25:46.000 Khalil knocked down my boy Anthony Smith, had him in slow motion.

00:25:50.000 I was like, damn!

00:25:51.000 That off-speed uppercut he threw, that was slick, dude.

00:25:54.000 He's fucking terrifying.

00:25:55.000 When Khalil's on...

00:25:57.000 Oh, Khalil.

00:25:58.000 Khalil Rountree's fucking terrifying.

00:25:59.000 He came back from Thailand like a different fighter.

00:26:01.000 I think once he went over there and was training full-time, there was a big change in him, I thought.

00:26:07.000 Well, Khalil's had moments in his career where he hasn't been dialed in.

00:26:11.000 There was a few fights where he admittedly wasn't all in.

00:26:15.000 And now he's all in.

00:26:16.000 Now he's super focused.

00:26:18.000 The Anthony Smith fight, you're like, holy shit.

00:26:20.000 That's a dangerous contender.

00:26:22.000 We're going to find out.

00:26:24.000 But do you think the UFC would want Khalil to be champ?

00:26:28.000 Why not?

00:26:29.000 Well, he just don't really have that championship thing about him.

00:26:33.000 Where you go, oh, that's my champ right there.

00:26:35.000 He don't really have that.

00:26:37.000 Yeah, but nobody does until they do.

00:26:39.000 Oliveira didn't have it until he got it.

00:26:42.000 Olivera was a guy that everybody was beating.

00:26:44.000 So many guys beat him.

00:26:45.000 Paul Feldman fucked him up.

00:26:46.000 A lot of guys beat him.

00:26:47.000 Tom Swanson knocked him out.

00:26:48.000 A lot of guys beat Olivera because he was cutting too much fucking weight.

00:26:51.000 And he just didn't have any energy.

00:26:53.000 Well, I'm just saying, every time you see Khalil Roundtree do interviews, he crying and stuff like that.

00:26:57.000 Like, is that the type of guy that we really want?

00:26:59.000 Is he crying?

00:27:01.000 He's sensitive.

00:27:03.000 He's a sensitive guy.

00:27:05.000 You don't cry?

00:27:05.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:27:06.000 There is nothing wrong with someone who's sensitive who can fuck you up.

00:27:12.000 I'm not saying there's something wrong with it.

00:27:14.000 I'm just saying is that the guy that we want holding the belt?

00:27:17.000 Maybe that's what we need in 2024. As you guys get older, do you get more emotional?

00:27:23.000 Do you find yourself?

00:27:23.000 I'm an emotional guy.

00:27:25.000 I don't see that.

00:27:28.000 You guys don't get all emotional?

00:27:30.000 People think we're toxic.

00:27:31.000 Let's talk.

00:27:35.000 We're not toxic.

00:27:36.000 We just don't have a filter.

00:27:37.000 This is just what actual men are like when there's no one around that can yell at you.

00:27:43.000 When there's no one around that can yell at you.

00:27:45.000 If we had the same conversation with our wives, you'd be like, what the fuck are you saying?

00:27:50.000 Are you thinking that in the fucking air?

00:27:52.000 It would be a lot of that, right?

00:27:54.000 True, true.

00:27:56.000 This is what people would be talking about if you were hanging out in your living room.

00:28:00.000 It's true.

00:28:00.000 Four buddies hanging out in your living room.

00:28:01.000 How would you talk?

00:28:02.000 This is it.

00:28:04.000 Just do it in front of the world.

00:28:06.000 In that case, I don't cry at all.

00:28:09.000 You pussies.

00:28:10.000 I cried the other night.

00:28:11.000 I was just gonna see if you do.

00:28:12.000 Watching Chimp Crazy.

00:28:14.000 What?

00:28:15.000 There's a show, oh my god, there's an HBO show.

00:28:17.000 Well, it's Max now, whatever it is.

00:28:19.000 It's a docu-series about people that own chimpanzees.

00:28:22.000 Dude, it's...

00:28:24.000 Wait, wait, hold on.

00:28:24.000 What made you cry about that?

00:28:26.000 It's horrific, man.

00:28:28.000 Oh, wait, wait.

00:28:28.000 It went bad?

00:28:30.000 When the chimps tear people apart, they tear your face off, they tear your eyes off, they bite your fingers off, they pull your dick off.

00:28:37.000 Dude, there's so many moments in that show where you're just like, what the fuck?

00:28:42.000 It's just, it's so sad.

00:28:44.000 Is there anything happy in it or no?

00:28:46.000 No, no, no, no.

00:28:47.000 There's nothing happy in this show.

00:28:49.000 There's nothing happy in this show.

00:28:50.000 This show is all about what happens when people have pet chimps and the chimps get to be about five years old and they don't want to listen to you anymore because they're a 200 pound fucking super predator.

00:29:00.000 For real.

00:29:00.000 They can do whatever they want.

00:29:02.000 They're our closest relatives, and they're really fucking smart.

00:29:07.000 And when they get to be like five years old, you can't even put them in a combination lock, they were telling me.

00:29:12.000 Because they'll figure out the combination.

00:29:14.000 They'll watch you do it.

00:29:15.000 And then they'll do it.

00:29:17.000 They'll see what you do to get out, and then they'll replicate it.

00:29:20.000 So this is real Planet of the Apes type shit.

00:29:22.000 They're really smart, man.

00:29:23.000 They just can't talk.

00:29:24.000 They're not as smart as people, but they're also vindictive and spiteful and they're angry and jealous.

00:29:30.000 They do that a lot with the wild animals, like the fucking people who own hippos.

00:29:33.000 But the thing about these things is when they hit like five, you just got to keep them in cages all the time.

00:29:38.000 So when they're babies, everybody's hanging around with them.

00:29:41.000 You can bring them to the pizza place.

00:29:42.000 Oh my God, it's the lady with the chimpanzee.

00:29:45.000 But then they get to be five and then they rip someone's face off for no fucking reason at all.

00:29:50.000 What was the Netflix series that followed the chimps?

00:29:55.000 Oh yeah, Chimp Empire.

00:29:56.000 That's what I thought, Chimp Empire.

00:29:57.000 Incredible.

00:29:58.000 That was a crazy, crazy show.

00:30:00.000 Because that one, these scientists were embedded in this group of chimpanzees for 20 years.

00:30:05.000 So these people, these chimpanzees, their whole lives, they had seen scientists.

00:30:09.000 They had these rules.

00:30:10.000 You have to stay 20 yards away, don't look them in the eye, no food.

00:30:13.000 You can't have any food, anywhere near them.

00:30:15.000 Fuck, are they gremlins?

00:30:16.000 What the fuck?

00:30:17.000 No, man, they're just chimpanzees.

00:30:18.000 If they decide you have something...

00:30:19.000 You gotta see this.

00:30:20.000 If they decide that you have something they want, there ain't shit you can do about that.

00:30:24.000 They were fighting over territory.

00:30:28.000 I mean, you got to see the hierarchy within their clans or whatever you want to call it.

00:30:33.000 It's a badass.

00:30:34.000 You had the guy on your show, right?

00:30:36.000 Yeah, the guy who produced it.

00:30:38.000 That's how I heard it.

00:30:38.000 The show's so good, dude.

00:30:40.000 This is much better than Chimp Crazy.

00:30:42.000 This is like the opposite of Chimp Crazy.

00:30:43.000 Yeah, this is real shit.

00:30:45.000 Chimp Crazy is sad, but this is amazing.

00:30:48.000 It's amazing.

00:30:50.000 Because these chimps are so accustomed to these scientists that they acted completely normal around them.

00:30:56.000 Like, they were just a part of nature to them.

00:30:58.000 Because their whole life they had had scientists around them with cameras.

00:31:01.000 It was just a thing in the forest.

00:31:03.000 It was just like, that's a different kind of tree or something.

00:31:06.000 As long as you don't have food, as long as you don't look them in the eye and don't get any closer than 20 yards.

00:31:12.000 Those are the rules.

00:31:13.000 So if the chimps start moving towards you, you move away.

00:31:15.000 Don't look them in the eye.

00:31:16.000 You look away.

00:31:17.000 Don't have any fucking food.

00:31:19.000 If you got a candy bar, they'll rip your dick off for that candy bar.

00:31:23.000 They don't have any sense of what's appropriate.

00:31:27.000 There's no remorse.

00:31:29.000 They bite each other's hands off.

00:31:31.000 Oh my god.

00:31:32.000 Bro, they're ruthless.

00:31:33.000 And that's our closest relative.

00:31:34.000 See, you know what you do?

00:31:35.000 You just get a dog.

00:31:36.000 You don't get a fucking...

00:31:37.000 You don't get a fucking...

00:31:39.000 It's not a PJ and the Bear type of shit.

00:31:42.000 Get the fuck out of here.

00:31:44.000 Who needs that?

00:31:45.000 Who needs that shit?

00:31:47.000 Nobody needs that shit.

00:31:49.000 All that shit you see in those movies, though, those are all young chimps.

00:31:52.000 You can't even train them when they get older.

00:31:54.000 They're not listening to nothing.

00:31:56.000 There's no listening.

00:31:57.000 I gotta watch this.

00:31:58.000 Remember that Clint Eastwood movie, fucking Any Which Way But Loose?

00:32:01.000 I used to love those movies.

00:32:03.000 And Any Which Way You Can.

00:32:04.000 The second one, when they were going to have that fight, and then it's, you know, they heard they're still fighting.

00:32:09.000 And then it's, you know, guys, there are different, oh, let's get on the plane and let's go see the fight.

00:32:13.000 Dude, they're fighting for fucking two hours, these guys.

00:32:16.000 Like across the state.

00:32:17.000 And who's that guy's name?

00:32:19.000 Tank Murdoch?

00:32:20.000 Is that the guy's name?

00:32:20.000 In the first one, yeah.

00:32:21.000 They became friends at the end.

00:32:22.000 I remember all that shit.

00:32:23.000 Philo Bello was Clint's name.

00:32:25.000 Philo Bello.

00:32:28.000 It's funny because back then you would never think that people were actually having bare-knuckle fights for money and now it's on pay-per-view There was never gonna be bare-knuckle boxing I'll tell you man as a sport.

00:32:45.000 That's crazy So this is just some backyard shit that people would do like this is the this is the big killer This is the guy that's like the big money champion.

00:32:54.000 He's gonna eventually fight him, and he's watching Clint, and he steps in to help him, and he starts fucking some people up.

00:33:00.000 We didn't even know what real fighting was back then.

00:33:05.000 I had no idea!

00:33:05.000 Somebody needs to redo it.

00:33:06.000 Well, all those things he did would work.

00:33:08.000 I mean, it's not crazy.

00:33:09.000 He's not doing any, like, jump split kicks.

00:33:12.000 I used to like these movies as a kid.

00:33:14.000 I loved them.

00:33:14.000 These movies were great.

00:33:15.000 This movie was great.

00:33:16.000 Clint Eastwood was the fucking man.

00:33:18.000 Hell yeah.

00:33:19.000 He has the best Western movie of all time.

00:33:22.000 What's that?

00:33:23.000 Unforgiven.

00:33:23.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:25.000 I saw that.

00:33:25.000 I did see that.

00:33:26.000 Man, I'm a fan of Tombstone with Val Kilmer, too.

00:33:29.000 I love that movie.

00:33:29.000 That one scene.

00:33:29.000 That one scene made that whole movie.

00:33:32.000 That one scene was so intense.

00:33:33.000 Which one?

00:33:34.000 Unforgiven?

00:33:35.000 I'm Ya Huckleberry.

00:33:37.000 When he's looking, he's like, I'm Johnny Barrett.

00:33:38.000 Any time you get Kurt, and we did this in a group text.

00:33:43.000 Kurt Russell.

00:33:43.000 We talked about Bone Tomahawk.

00:33:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:46.000 That's right.

00:33:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:48.000 I did watch it.

00:33:49.000 I think when I find these movies that I never heard about, it came out in like 2015. I saw it on Netflix, I thought it was new, and I didn't know, so I started watching it.

00:33:57.000 Holy fuck, what have you seen it?

00:33:59.000 It's a good one, yeah.

00:34:00.000 It's like a western horror movie, because these cannibal Indians are almost like predators, because they got these things in it.

00:34:05.000 Well, they're completely different, like a different species of person.

00:34:09.000 They have these things in their windpipes, remember?

00:34:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:12.000 And what about Matthew Fox in this?

00:34:15.000 This guy's the guy from Lost.

00:34:17.000 He was phenomenal!

00:34:18.000 Very good in it.

00:34:19.000 This movie is now...

00:34:20.000 I get, like, obsessed with some movies.

00:34:23.000 This is my latest obsession.

00:34:24.000 I fucking love this movie, Dean Thomas.

00:34:26.000 I've never seen this!

00:34:27.000 It's a great movie.

00:34:28.000 It's a fun horror movie, and the fact that it didn't get the attention that it deserves...

00:34:32.000 It's just...

00:34:33.000 I think there's too many movies out.

00:34:34.000 I never heard of this shit.

00:34:35.000 There's too many shows.

00:34:38.000 There's so much stuff.

00:34:39.000 Everybody's like, have you seen this show?

00:34:40.000 It's like, man, I can't watch everything.

00:34:41.000 I love Shogun.

00:34:42.000 I haven't finished it.

00:34:44.000 Me neither.

00:34:45.000 For sure.

00:34:46.000 There's certain things it takes a while to get through.

00:34:48.000 I blew right through Shogun.

00:34:50.000 Bro, I just blew right through Peaky Blinders.

00:34:52.000 Peaky Blinders?

00:34:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:54.000 I saw that.

00:34:54.000 Fucking amazing.

00:34:55.000 Hey, Tom Hardy and Peaky Blinders?

00:34:57.000 You have to get through the first season.

00:34:59.000 The first season's slow as fuck.

00:35:01.000 Once you get out of the first season, you'll be good to go.

00:35:03.000 I love the first season, man, but it gets hot after that.

00:35:06.000 How good is Tom Hardy?

00:35:06.000 Tom Hardy and Peaky Blinders.

00:35:08.000 Oh, I see clips of him in that.

00:35:09.000 That motherfucker can act.

00:35:11.000 Man, can he act.

00:35:13.000 He's on a totally different level.

00:35:15.000 Even just everything about it.

00:35:17.000 You buy that eccentric psychopath.

00:35:20.000 You buy it.

00:35:21.000 You buy everything about it.

00:35:22.000 He's got rules.

00:35:24.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:35:26.000 He was the man in Peaky Blinders.

00:35:30.000 No, no.

00:35:31.000 I'll tell you what I tapped out on.

00:35:33.000 And you know me.

00:35:34.000 I like superhero shit.

00:35:36.000 And the show The Boys, I was in, and there's some good stuff in that show.

00:35:41.000 You ever hear of The Boys?

00:35:41.000 I've heard of it.

00:35:42.000 I haven't watched it.

00:35:43.000 It gets redundant.

00:35:44.000 No, no.

00:35:44.000 But no, this is...

00:35:45.000 Want to know when I tapped out?

00:35:46.000 The scene where I fucking tapped out?

00:35:48.000 Now, you know in X-Men, you ever hear of Multiple Man?

00:35:50.000 He can make multiple of himself, like other clones of himself?

00:35:54.000 All right.

00:35:55.000 Now, listen...

00:35:56.000 I'm not a prude, okay?

00:35:58.000 I could deal with some sex scenes and some freaky shit.

00:36:03.000 But my thing is this.

00:36:04.000 There's a scene.

00:36:06.000 Now, I don't need to see a guy's face in another guy's asshole.

00:36:12.000 Even if it's his own body.

00:36:13.000 So multiple man, or this little version of him in his thing.

00:36:17.000 He's not lying.

00:36:18.000 They go into a sauna, right?

00:36:20.000 And I guess this happens sometimes in gay gyms.

00:36:26.000 This is a superhero show?

00:36:27.000 There's a close-up of a human centipede.

00:36:30.000 It's a human centipede.

00:36:31.000 Is that an inside of an asshole?

00:36:33.000 He's in this guy's asshole right now.

00:36:34.000 Look, he's touching his asshole.

00:36:36.000 He's in the guy's asshole right now.

00:36:37.000 No, it's like a hamster.

00:36:40.000 Wait a minute.

00:36:41.000 This is a real scene in the show?

00:36:43.000 They're trying to normalize this.

00:36:44.000 Exactly.

00:36:45.000 This is a bizarre agenda.

00:36:47.000 See what I'm talking about?

00:36:48.000 This is an asshole.

00:36:49.000 He's inside an asshole and he's naked.

00:36:51.000 So now this guy, they open up the thing and they see that, oh yeah, I hope it was worth it.

00:36:57.000 And so then he came full size.

00:37:00.000 He turned full size and he blew the guy apart.

00:37:02.000 Yeah, that's like Ant-Man inside someone's asshole.

00:37:04.000 Yeah, this is not necessary.

00:37:06.000 Yeah, dude, that's what I'm saying.

00:37:07.000 But picture this.

00:37:08.000 Kind of crazy.

00:37:09.000 You ever see a human centipede?

00:37:10.000 Let me see that again.

00:37:11.000 Kind of crazy way to die.

00:37:13.000 I want to see him explode.

00:37:14.000 So what happens?

00:37:15.000 Does he just decide to get bigger?

00:37:17.000 I think he sneezes.

00:37:18.000 Oh, he sneezed.

00:37:19.000 I guess his ability to control it.

00:37:22.000 Oh my god.

00:37:23.000 But the whole show is like this, where they do shit like that.

00:37:26.000 That is so crazy.

00:37:26.000 But like, there's some good stuff in the show.

00:37:29.000 Yeah, that's gross.

00:37:29.000 The first few seasons was cool.

00:37:31.000 This past season, they got woke on me.

00:37:34.000 I'm trying to explain that to the cops.

00:37:36.000 And then multiple men.

00:37:40.000 He's got pink eye, because he had his face in an asshole.

00:37:44.000 So now he's coming back, he's got a pink eye in his own.

00:37:47.000 100% someone's trying to normalize things like that.

00:37:49.000 Because that's probably like every bottom's dream, is to actually climb inside a guy's asshole.

00:37:54.000 I just want to be inside of you.

00:37:57.000 You know, I just want to just...

00:37:58.000 Just get all up in there.

00:38:00.000 But Matt, I know exactly the thing you're talking about.

00:38:03.000 Yeah, I know.

00:38:05.000 That's unnecessary.

00:38:06.000 I would tap out after that.

00:38:07.000 I tapped out on The Walking Dead when they killed Glenn with the baseball bat.

00:38:11.000 Yeah, me too.

00:38:13.000 You know what's fucked up, though?

00:38:14.000 They actually did that in the comic book.

00:38:16.000 Oh, I'm sure they did.

00:38:18.000 You didn't have to show it to me like that.

00:38:21.000 It's murder porn.

00:38:22.000 We like Glenn.

00:38:22.000 That's murder porn.

00:38:23.000 I love Glenn.

00:38:24.000 I saw Glenn at the UFC and he looked sad.

00:38:26.000 He looked sad.

00:38:27.000 Because they killed him off with a baseball bat.

00:38:29.000 But did you imagine that's your character, your character for all these years, everybody loves it, and they kill him off with a baseball bat, and you're like...

00:38:35.000 And then you, no more show.

00:38:37.000 Bye.

00:38:38.000 Bye, we're done with you.

00:38:39.000 What the fuck?

00:38:42.000 Well, you can't keep doing that.

00:38:44.000 Oh, the people are the monsters.

00:38:46.000 You can't keep doing that forever.

00:38:47.000 It gets boring.

00:38:48.000 Figure it out.

00:38:49.000 Find out who the cunts are.

00:38:50.000 Kill them.

00:38:50.000 Let's start a community.

00:38:52.000 Shows jump the ship, too.

00:38:53.000 Like fucking Cobra Kai.

00:38:55.000 I like that first season.

00:38:56.000 Why are they still zombies?

00:38:58.000 They walk two miles an hour.

00:38:59.000 You haven't killed them yet.

00:39:00.000 How hard is it to figure out how to kill these things?

00:39:03.000 They're so easy.

00:39:05.000 All you need is that lady with the sword.

00:39:07.000 Every day, run out, kill 30 of them.

00:39:10.000 Eventually, yeah.

00:39:11.000 Nobody's going to be left.

00:39:12.000 This is crazy that they still run into zombies.

00:39:15.000 You haven't killed all the zombies in like five years.

00:39:17.000 That show...

00:39:19.000 I agree.

00:39:20.000 I think there was a spinoff with Daryl Dixon.

00:39:22.000 I didn't even watch.

00:39:23.000 There's a bunch of spinoffs.

00:39:24.000 There's the LA one, too.

00:39:25.000 The LA spinoff, too.

00:39:27.000 It was pretty good.

00:39:28.000 It was Fear of the Walking Dead.

00:39:29.000 Yeah.

00:39:29.000 That might have been the best one.

00:39:31.000 Really?

00:39:31.000 Yeah, it was really good.

00:39:32.000 Especially in the beginning.

00:39:33.000 It was really good.

00:39:34.000 Because it was like, no one knows what the fuck is going on.

00:39:37.000 But it gave you a real sense of dread and fear.

00:39:40.000 Like, these people are trapped in the middle of this outbreak.

00:39:42.000 And the military moves in.

00:39:44.000 And no one gives anybody any answers.

00:39:46.000 Which is really how it would go.

00:39:48.000 Right, yeah.

00:39:48.000 The LA one, Fear of the Walking Dead, is much more realistic.

00:39:52.000 Like, this is how it would go.

00:39:53.000 Like, the guy waking up in the hospital in The Walking Dead, the problem with that scene...

00:39:59.000 It's 28 days later.

00:40:01.000 That's how it starts.

00:40:03.000 Same exact scene.

00:40:05.000 28 days later, Killian Murphy, also from Peaky Blinders, he's in the hospital and he wakes up.

00:40:11.000 He doesn't know what the fuck happened because he got hit by a car or something like that.

00:40:14.000 That was a great movie, by the way.

00:40:15.000 Was he riding a bike, got hit by a car, I think?

00:40:17.000 So he wakes up.

00:40:18.000 He has no idea what the fuck's going on.

00:40:20.000 And in getting out of the hospital, he realizes that the world has ended and there's a zombie apocalypse have broken out while he was in a coma.

00:40:28.000 So they just stole the whole thing?

00:40:30.000 Somebody stole it.

00:40:31.000 What came out first?

00:40:32.000 The comic book?

00:40:33.000 That's a very good question.

00:40:35.000 It's a very good question.

00:40:36.000 What year did the Walking Dead graphic novel come out?

00:40:39.000 It's a legit question.

00:40:40.000 Thanks, guys!

00:40:41.000 Do you know those movies?

00:40:42.000 You can't find them on streaming?

00:40:45.000 What's that?

00:40:45.000 You can't find 28 days later on streaming.

00:40:47.000 Really?

00:40:47.000 Yeah, because I've never seen it.

00:40:48.000 That's why I don't know.

00:40:49.000 I think you can find 28 weeks later, but 28 days later, I don't think you can find.

00:40:55.000 Interesting.

00:40:56.000 Because I just bought it.

00:40:57.000 I ordered it on DVD. I even bought a DVD. You even have a DVD player?

00:41:04.000 I do.

00:41:04.000 How do you even have a DVD player?

00:41:06.000 Because they asked me If I wanted one, I said, yeah, I'll take one of them.

00:41:09.000 And I haven't used it ever.

00:41:10.000 I've been in this house for four years.

00:41:12.000 I never used that fucking DVD player.

00:41:13.000 But I'm going to use it for this.

00:41:16.000 You can still get Blu-rays.

00:41:18.000 Especially, they look really good.

00:41:20.000 Blu-ray, high resolution.

00:41:23.000 Those DVDs, it's probably as good or better than streaming.

00:41:26.000 Hmm.

00:41:28.000 I just don't know anybody with a DVD player.

00:41:30.000 That's like VHS. I don't have that.

00:41:32.000 I had that for a long time, though, because I used to get all the Pride videos on VHS. I used to get like K1 videos and shit, all the weird shit from Japan from a friend of mine.

00:41:40.000 He would send it all on VHS. What year was the graphic novel?

00:41:44.000 I saw a Reddit discussion that they both...

00:41:47.000 For the record, I want to answer your question.

00:41:49.000 The Walking Dead came out within the same year that the movie came out?

00:41:54.000 But someone noted that they both were taking from another movie that came out in the 60s.

00:41:59.000 Oh, what was that movie?

00:42:00.000 The Day of the Triffids?

00:42:01.000 Ooh, The Day of the Triffids!

00:42:03.000 That's a zombie movie too?

00:42:05.000 I was trying to look it up when you were asking.

00:42:07.000 Is that a monster movie or a zombie movie?

00:42:09.000 Yeah, it's like zombies or something like that.

00:42:11.000 Oh, look at this.

00:42:13.000 What a Triffid?

00:42:13.000 What the fuck?

00:42:14.000 Yeah, what is a Triffid?

00:42:15.000 After being splashed with Triffid poison from a stinger.

00:42:18.000 During his recovery, he's told of an unexpected green meteor shower.

00:42:21.000 What?

00:42:23.000 That's some 1976 shit.

00:42:25.000 For the record, I guess 28 Days Later may have...

00:42:27.000 Sorry, Walking Dead may have taken from...

00:42:30.000 Interesting.

00:42:33.000 Yeah.

00:42:33.000 Well, 28 Days Later was a lot earlier, right?

00:42:37.000 What year did 28 Days Later come out?

00:42:39.000 That's what I was saying.

00:42:40.000 It says the comics came out less than a year after 28 Days Later was first in cinemas.

00:42:45.000 Yeah.

00:42:46.000 So, 28 Days Later was first.

00:42:48.000 This guy just got into Game of Thrones like 20 years later.

00:42:52.000 I know.

00:42:56.000 I never had Max.

00:42:57.000 I just got Max just so I could watch that shit.

00:43:00.000 Season two.

00:43:02.000 Dude, it's good.

00:43:02.000 Yeah, it is good.

00:43:03.000 I ain't gonna lie.

00:43:04.000 It is good.

00:43:04.000 It's a real good show.

00:43:05.000 I liked it so much.

00:43:06.000 I told Dean after the first season, I didn't want to wait till the second season.

00:43:09.000 So I got the book and I ended up reading all five books.

00:43:13.000 And that blows my mind.

00:43:16.000 Is that good?

00:43:18.000 Oh, it's fucking great.

00:43:20.000 I loved it so much, I did it on my iPad, and because of my ADD, I made the font real big, so it's like two paragraphs.

00:43:25.000 I'm like, eh, I'm going right through the thing.

00:43:28.000 Otherwise, I'll start looking at a squirrel.

00:43:32.000 On a real, I don't even...

00:43:34.000 I didn't even know Matt could read and shit.

00:43:36.000 You know, I started with comic books.

00:43:38.000 But I loved it so much that I just...

00:43:40.000 Sorry, so why has 28 Days Later been removed from streaming?

00:43:43.000 It says, indeed, Disney lost the rights to the independently financed original film, with them now only owning the rights to Searchlight Finance sequel 28 weeks later.

00:43:51.000 So, well, who the fuck owns it?

00:43:53.000 So whoever made it, I guess.

00:43:54.000 And what, they don't want to put it on Netflix?

00:43:56.000 Why wouldn't they?

00:43:58.000 It's one of the best zombie movies of all time.

00:44:00.000 It's not the best.

00:44:01.000 It's great, because when they weren't slow, they'd get rabid.

00:44:04.000 Could be one of those VPN things.

00:44:06.000 It could be another country, and maybe you sneak around and find it.

00:44:09.000 Maybe.

00:44:11.000 Maybe.

00:44:11.000 That was a great movie.

00:44:12.000 And they're coming out with 28 years later.

00:44:15.000 For real?

00:44:16.000 Yeah, they are.

00:44:17.000 Is there anybody left?

00:44:18.000 I think it's that guy, the Peaky Valley guy.

00:44:21.000 What kind of life is that?

00:44:23.000 What kind of life is it like if some fucking Wuhan China lab comes up with some zombie virus and releases it?

00:44:31.000 That sounds crazy, but rabies is real.

00:44:35.000 That's exactly what rabies is.

00:44:36.000 It's Cujo.

00:44:37.000 Rabies takes animals that never want to bite people and turns them into an animal that needs to bite you.

00:44:44.000 They run at you.

00:44:46.000 They're not scared of you.

00:44:46.000 Rats will run at you.

00:44:49.000 Foxes, they run at you when they have rabies.

00:44:51.000 I've never thought about that.

00:44:53.000 Rabies is just zombies.

00:44:55.000 It is zombies because it kills people.

00:44:57.000 Before we figured out how to stop it, and you have to get those shots before you start having symptoms.

00:45:05.000 They have to find out you got bit and then give you those shots, and it has to happen really quickly.

00:45:10.000 Because if you don't, it kills most people.

00:45:13.000 Rabies kills something like 99% of the people that get it.

00:45:17.000 What?

00:45:18.000 Yeah, it's an old disease.

00:45:20.000 And so one of the things they figured out is that if they slow down everything in your body and put you into a medically induced coma, it gives your body the resources to fight it off.

00:45:30.000 Because your body can fight it off, but it can't fight it off as quick as the virus moves forward.

00:45:36.000 It's an old virus, man.

00:45:39.000 It's a weird virus.

00:45:40.000 Yo, that's crazy!

00:45:42.000 So like, when you think about what that is, it's a crazy old virus that spreads itself by making its host violent.

00:45:51.000 It is rage.

00:45:53.000 So saying that no one would ever do that, these fucking psychopath eggheads that they give these grants to that do this fucking gain-of-function research shit on viruses, making them more infectious to human beings, do you think they would stop at a coronavirus?

00:46:11.000 Why wouldn't they fuck with rabies?

00:46:13.000 You know who fights like they have rabies?

00:46:15.000 Merab.

00:46:18.000 He's trying to spread the rabies.

00:46:21.000 He does.

00:46:23.000 I used to say that about Liam Harrison.

00:46:26.000 And, you know, people are making a big thing about, oh, he's got to get him down.

00:46:30.000 He's got to get him down.

00:46:31.000 He didn't get...

00:46:31.000 Listen, he gets him down.

00:46:33.000 He's in trouble, Sugar Sean.

00:46:34.000 But look what he did to Jose Aldo.

00:46:37.000 He didn't get him down too much.

00:46:39.000 And they put him up against the cage.

00:46:40.000 All that height, this...

00:46:43.000 The difference in height, the reach, that's at a disadvantage once he gets a hold of him.

00:46:48.000 So he could beat the shit out of him up against the cage.

00:46:50.000 He doesn't get him down for a round.

00:46:52.000 Now there's a little less pop in his punches and strikes.

00:46:58.000 That length is going to be a problem when he closes the distance, Merab.

00:47:02.000 So I got to ask you, because you know Merab better than anybody here, I'm sure.

00:47:07.000 Yes.

00:47:09.000 When I see him now, he's just a different animal.

00:47:12.000 A complete different character.

00:47:14.000 Has he always been this type of character?

00:47:16.000 Making jokes and always been funny.

00:47:18.000 When he first came to us, the English wasn't great at all.

00:47:22.000 It's not what it is now.

00:47:25.000 He's always been a sweetheart.

00:47:27.000 Just a sweetheart.

00:47:28.000 Imagine having Matt and Ray Longo as your English teachers.

00:47:32.000 Oh no, he's funny.

00:47:35.000 Oh my god.

00:47:37.000 He's always been funny.

00:47:40.000 Come on.

00:47:41.000 And Ray, I love you.

00:47:42.000 You know that.

00:47:44.000 A reality show with you and Ray Longo cornering fighters and just traveling around and training fighters.

00:47:50.000 You know how big that show would be?

00:47:51.000 You know what's funny?

00:47:52.000 I just had a moment.

00:47:53.000 I want to thank you, by the way.

00:47:54.000 I just did my own.

00:47:55.000 I'm doing it once a week.

00:47:56.000 I'm doing my own geek podcast called Geeking Out with Matt Sarah.

00:47:59.000 Thank you.

00:47:59.000 You're the one who pushed me to do that.

00:48:01.000 Listen, you are a natural.

00:48:03.000 Thank you.

00:48:03.000 No.

00:48:03.000 You're a natural for this.

00:48:05.000 Actually, it's out today.

00:48:07.000 The second episode I did, I did one with my buddy Phoenix Cannavale.

00:48:11.000 She's great.

00:48:11.000 We talked about our worst to best X-Men movies.

00:48:15.000 This is right up my alley.

00:48:16.000 Are you doing this on YouTube, too?

00:48:17.000 Yes, on YouTube.

00:48:18.000 It's the Matt Serra channel.

00:48:20.000 You have it on everything, Spotify, Apple.

00:48:22.000 It's going to be on Spotify.

00:48:22.000 It is on Spotify, yeah.

00:48:25.000 I did two episodes, one with Phoenix about the X-Men movies, and the second one was myself and Ray Longo.

00:48:30.000 My studio is nine minutes from Longo's school, and we did our top five gangster movies.

00:48:35.000 There's a movie that's on our list that I didn't know this fact until it came out, because I don't know why people didn't see this movie.

00:48:43.000 Did you ever see State of Grace with Sean Penn?

00:48:45.000 A lot of people haven't seen that.

00:48:47.000 Phenomenal movie.

00:48:48.000 Yeah, we talked about it.

00:48:49.000 I watched it again with my wife before I did the show, just back in my head, because I knew it was going to be on the list.

00:48:53.000 And I wondered why so many people didn't see this movie.

00:48:56.000 So fucking the great Ray Longo brought up a great point.

00:48:59.000 It came out the opening weekend, same as Goodfellas.

00:49:04.000 Same opening weekend.

00:49:05.000 That's why it was fucking under the radar.

00:49:07.000 You've never seen it?

00:49:08.000 I've never seen it.

00:49:09.000 How dare you?

00:49:09.000 I've never even heard of it until you just said it right now.

00:49:12.000 I remember it.

00:49:12.000 It's a very good movie.

00:49:15.000 So that's the second episode of Mia Longo.

00:49:18.000 That's a good one to remember.

00:49:20.000 I forgot about that.

00:49:21.000 State of Grace is great.

00:49:22.000 Another one on the list that a lot of people have seen this because Biggie Smalls raps about him is The King of New York.

00:49:28.000 Yeah, a great movie.

00:49:28.000 You ever seen The King of New York?

00:49:30.000 Christopher Walken, yeah.

00:49:32.000 Alright, but let me ask you this.

00:49:34.000 Does heat count?

00:49:35.000 Is that a mob movie?

00:49:36.000 You know what?

00:49:37.000 I was thinking about putting it in there, but it's more of a heist movie.

00:49:40.000 It's a heist movie, but it's organized crime.

00:49:42.000 It is.

00:49:43.000 The guy who got out of jail, it's based on a real dude.

00:49:47.000 The guy who was the De Niro character who got out of jail, it was based on a real dude.

00:49:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:52.000 He did a bunch of robberies, and then he went to jail for a long-ass time and got out and did a bunch more robberies.

00:49:57.000 Was he a mob dude?

00:49:58.000 I don't...

00:49:59.000 He was organized crime, for sure, but it's like...

00:50:02.000 Who was he connected to?

00:50:03.000 Was he connected to the Mafia?

00:50:05.000 Was he independent, organized crime?

00:50:06.000 But he was super sophisticated.

00:50:08.000 It was a fantastic movie.

00:50:09.000 Phenomenal movie.

00:50:10.000 But does American Gangster count?

00:50:12.000 Right.

00:50:13.000 That probably does.

00:50:14.000 By the way, it's literally in the title.

00:50:16.000 Also, in the title, it says Gangster.

00:50:18.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:50:20.000 That's not ambiguous.

00:50:23.000 Bro, that's a great movie.

00:50:25.000 That's a fucking great movie.

00:50:26.000 And also based on a real dude.

00:50:30.000 A funny thing about Al Pacino in that movie, he's over the top in it.

00:50:35.000 She's got a great ass!

00:50:40.000 When I seen him, he spoke about his role in that.

00:50:45.000 He goes, what influenced him about playing that character is that the character was chipping off pieces of cocaine like he was a cokehead.

00:50:55.000 And they kind of took that out of the movie, but that's how he was playing them, like all coked up.

00:50:59.000 So it kind of explains it, like how he was so out of his mind.

00:51:03.000 So they didn't show it in the movie, but that was how it was written?

00:51:06.000 He said it, it was, yes, he was like chipping off pieces of cocaine.

00:51:11.000 Did they just edit that out of the movie?

00:51:12.000 I have no clue, but he definitely said it in an interview.

00:51:15.000 Was it in the movie?

00:51:16.000 I don't believe so.

00:51:17.000 They did not have him do it in the movie.

00:51:19.000 Imagine you're doing that.

00:51:20.000 You're doing this all coked up character and he's doing coke and then they cut out all the coked out.

00:51:24.000 Everybody's like, what the fuck's wrong with him?

00:51:25.000 Once he said that.

00:51:26.000 You're playing a drunk, you're going to remove the alcohol.

00:51:29.000 It made perfect sense though, once he said it.

00:51:31.000 He goes, that's why I chose some of the choices I made for that character.

00:51:37.000 If there was no meth, how much less crime would there be?

00:51:40.000 50%?

00:51:41.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:51:42.000 I mean, just think about how many ridiculous crimes get cooked up while they're on meth, literally.

00:51:49.000 Or to get the meth.

00:51:50.000 Yeah.

00:51:51.000 Right, yeah, yeah.

00:51:52.000 Meth influence.

00:51:53.000 Do you remember that North Hollywood shootout?

00:51:55.000 It was just like the movie Heat.

00:51:57.000 Oh yes!

00:51:58.000 They were in body armor.

00:51:59.000 These dudes had body armor.

00:52:01.000 They had like fucking big giant machine guns and shit.

00:52:04.000 They were literally just walking up the street blasting people.

00:52:08.000 Apparently they were roided out of their fucking minds.

00:52:10.000 These dudes are roided out of their minds doing coke and they robbed this bank in North Hollywood and the cops boxed them in.

00:52:16.000 They had a shootout on the street.

00:52:18.000 Oh yeah.

00:52:19.000 I was on news radio at the time.

00:52:21.000 We stopped production of the show to watch it on television.

00:52:25.000 Really?

00:52:25.000 Everybody was like, what the fuck is going on?

00:52:28.000 It was so crazy.

00:52:29.000 How far from you was it?

00:52:30.000 Real close.

00:52:31.000 Real close.

00:52:33.000 Like, we were in Studio City.

00:52:34.000 North Hollywood's 15 minutes away.

00:52:36.000 10 minutes away.

00:52:36.000 Real close.

00:52:38.000 In the middle of the street.

00:52:39.000 You ever see the footage?

00:52:41.000 It's crazy.

00:52:42.000 The news footage is wild.

00:52:43.000 The footage is crazy.

00:52:44.000 And here's what's crazy.

00:52:44.000 One of the cops shot one of the dudes and then did not call for ambulance.

00:52:48.000 And then people were criticizing him that he let the guy bleed out.

00:52:53.000 Damn.

00:52:54.000 Yeah, I remember these fucking crazy liberals.

00:52:56.000 They were criticizing him because this psychopathic murderer who just robbed a bank who was gunning down cops because he let them bleed out and didn't get them to an ambulance in time.

00:53:06.000 Shit.

00:53:07.000 Yo.

00:53:08.000 I think we know that guy's guilty.

00:53:12.000 There's no CGI in 1996. Save the taxpayers some money.

00:53:16.000 See if you can find that, Jamie, because it's crazy to watch, man.

00:53:20.000 In the middle of the street, dude.

00:53:22.000 In the middle?

00:53:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:24.000 So these guys were having a shootout with cops.

00:53:27.000 This guy's walking down the street, just blasting.

00:53:29.000 Like a movie.

00:53:30.000 Yeah, like a fucking movie.

00:53:31.000 It did look like a movie.

00:53:32.000 Shooting at cops, dude.

00:53:33.000 And this is just one part of it.

00:53:34.000 Sometimes he was ducking behind cars with giant rifles and shit.

00:53:38.000 I mean, they were just armed to the tits.

00:53:40.000 This is him at the end.

00:53:41.000 So I think at the end, he's probably trying to die.

00:53:44.000 It's a pretty long scene, too, when the real shit went down.

00:53:48.000 I forgot how it ends.

00:53:49.000 Oh, we got him with another shot.

00:53:51.000 This set keeps going because then the other guy comes.

00:53:52.000 So he's trying to die.

00:53:54.000 What's this guy doing?

00:53:54.000 He's probably already been shot.

00:53:56.000 This guy's doing a little GTA action now.

00:54:00.000 It went on for a long-ass time, too.

00:54:03.000 And this was back when, if something happened, they would, we interrupt General Hospital.

00:54:07.000 To show you the Hollywood Shootout.

00:54:10.000 Hollywood Shootout?

00:54:11.000 Bro, this is in the caveman days.

00:54:13.000 I lived in the caveman days.

00:54:14.000 Yo, what year was this?

00:54:15.000 This is like 97?

00:54:17.000 Oh, 97?

00:54:18.000 Yeah.

00:54:19.000 Really?

00:54:19.000 Oh, I don't even remember this.

00:54:21.000 Yeah, I remember it big time.

00:54:22.000 Yeah, I do too.

00:54:24.000 Because I have a friend, my friend Justin, he's always said, he goes, dude, let me tell you something, six armed dudes that know what the fuck they're doing could take over a whole city.

00:54:33.000 I was like, really?

00:54:35.000 He goes, cities are so vulnerable.

00:54:37.000 We're so vulnerable.

00:54:38.000 What?

00:54:38.000 Six dudes.

00:54:39.000 Six operators really know what they're doing.

00:54:42.000 Could take over a whole city.

00:54:43.000 Guys who used to work for Blackwater.

00:54:45.000 Yeah.

00:54:45.000 Come over.

00:54:46.000 Yeah.

00:54:47.000 He's like, you should be fucking surprised.

00:54:52.000 So when you see something like this happen, it's like, how do they keep these fucking crazy people from...

00:54:57.000 You know, we need to do a better job of finding out where the meth is going.

00:55:01.000 I know.

00:55:03.000 You know, you're going to trace illegal aliens, but find out who's bringing in the meth.

00:55:09.000 Where's that fucking meth coming in?

00:55:10.000 I know a lot of people are coming in.

00:55:12.000 They just make it, right?

00:55:13.000 Yeah, they can make it.

00:55:13.000 Well, you need precursors.

00:55:15.000 They try to lock down most of the drugs for it now, like the Sudafed and shit.

00:55:19.000 I mean, you've got to give a license to get that stuff now.

00:55:21.000 That's why.

00:55:22.000 The people that are making that, they're not using that.

00:55:24.000 They're getting real chemicals.

00:55:25.000 They're getting the real precursors.

00:55:26.000 But you have to get them from, like, China.

00:55:28.000 So they're getting them from China, cooking it up in Mexico, bringing it across the border.

00:55:33.000 Wee!

00:55:33.000 The dudes with a truck stop are driving all night long.

00:55:37.000 Breaking bad.

00:55:39.000 Breaking bad.

00:55:40.000 Walter White doing that shit.

00:55:41.000 Yeah, another great TV show.

00:55:43.000 I've talked about it a thousand times, but there's a book that we just read.

00:55:47.000 It's called Blitzed.

00:55:48.000 This dude, Norman Ohlher.

00:55:52.000 It's all about the Nazis.

00:55:53.000 They gave them Nazis meth.

00:55:55.000 Oh yeah, there's that scene of Hitler fucking watching the fucking games.

00:56:00.000 Yeah, but apparently what they did was they were given a mess so they could go three days through Poland.

00:56:05.000 So they could just storm through Poland.

00:56:07.000 And so when they did this, no one thought they could get across the whole country in three days.

00:56:13.000 And you really couldn't unless you didn't sleep.

00:56:15.000 So all they did is gave these guys meth.

00:56:18.000 And they gave different doses to different jobs.

00:56:21.000 So if you were in the tanks, they gave you the most meth.

00:56:24.000 You're at the front of the line, fucker.

00:56:26.000 So you're just like...

00:56:27.000 Just yelling in German and just...

00:56:30.000 Boom!

00:56:31.000 Boom!

00:56:31.000 Did you see that Tank fucking movie?

00:56:32.000 I was watching it last night since you said that.

00:56:34.000 Brad Pitt.

00:56:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:38.000 That's fucking pretty badass.

00:56:39.000 That's a badass movie.

00:56:40.000 John Bernenthal.

00:56:41.000 That's a badass movie.

00:56:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:43.000 He's a good actor, man.

00:56:44.000 He's a good dude, too.

00:56:46.000 Very interesting guy.

00:56:47.000 The Punisher.

00:56:48.000 Yeah, he's very smart.

00:56:49.000 I had him on the podcast.

00:56:50.000 He's a genuine thinker.

00:56:53.000 He really thinks.

00:56:54.000 Sometimes you talk to actors and they're pretending to be a guy that you would want to talk to.

00:56:59.000 That's what it feels like when you talk to them.

00:57:01.000 They're not really there.

00:57:02.000 But John's right there.

00:57:04.000 He's also phenomenal in a movie that a lot of people didn't see called Shot Caller.

00:57:09.000 Oh, fuck!

00:57:09.000 Shot caller with Jamie Lannister.

00:57:11.000 Game of Thrones guy.

00:57:12.000 Yeah, the Game of Thrones guy.

00:57:13.000 That's a fucking great one.

00:57:14.000 What's it about?

00:57:16.000 Basically, Jamie Lannister.

00:57:18.000 I just know him as Jamie Lannister.

00:57:20.000 He's like a yuppie guy.

00:57:21.000 He's going out to eat with another couple.

00:57:23.000 He goes through a red light.

00:57:25.000 He gets through a car accident.

00:57:27.000 Next thing you know, he's facing prison time.

00:57:29.000 And he's not a guy he made for prison.

00:57:31.000 Remember that old Tom Selleck movie, Innocent Man?

00:57:34.000 Something kind of like that, but he really did the accident.

00:57:38.000 Next thing you know, he gets to the prison.

00:57:40.000 He doesn't want to be no bitch, and it goes from there.

00:57:42.000 And he becomes a hardcore fucking guy.

00:57:44.000 They call him money.

00:57:45.000 And that's how he ends up, but he didn't start off like that.

00:57:48.000 And oh man, is it a...

00:57:50.000 You know who's in it?

00:57:50.000 Keith Jardine.

00:57:51.000 Really?

00:57:52.000 Yeah, Keith Jardine's a cellmate in there.

00:57:54.000 He's great in it.

00:57:54.000 Oh, he's a must book for any prison movie.

00:57:56.000 movie oh yeah i don't think he had no doubt about that yeah that fucking guy yeah i believe he was great don't laugh john ronald you you next yeah you look like you'd be in prison too you could be in that movie yeah you'd be part of that fucking arian i remember when keith jardine beat chuck liddell i was like wow yeah right that was yeah that was a yeah no one saw that coming that was a big win and then he suffered some of the same losses you know well

00:58:22.000 Houston Alexander one was crazy!

00:58:28.000 He just had a bare-knuckle boxing fight recently.

00:58:33.000 Really?

00:58:34.000 He's gotta be in his 40s.

00:58:36.000 He's in his 50s.

00:58:39.000 He's either bare-knuckle boxing or maybe celebrity boxing.

00:58:42.000 I forget.

00:58:43.000 Some kind of boxing thing he just did.

00:58:45.000 But Houston Alexander in his prime was terrifying.

00:58:47.000 He was terrifying.

00:58:49.000 He had crazy power.

00:58:50.000 Yeah, like if he did Bare Knuckle when he was younger, he would have been perfect for it.

00:58:55.000 Oh, he's built for it.

00:58:56.000 Yeah.

00:58:56.000 He was a victim of his own success.

00:58:58.000 That's what happened.

00:58:59.000 Look at that.

00:59:00.000 May 19th, 2023. Bare Knuckle.

00:59:04.000 He won!

00:59:05.000 Man, look at them results!

00:59:06.000 He beat Joey Beltran.

00:59:08.000 Joey Beltran could fight.

00:59:10.000 Jeremy Smith?

00:59:12.000 Damn, look at him.

00:59:13.000 He's still out there fighting.

00:59:15.000 But he always was in phenomenal shape.

00:59:17.000 That dude was jacked!

00:59:20.000 With that Keith Jardine fight, Jardine had him hurt.

00:59:23.000 And so Jardine got a little overzealous in the game after him, and Houston Alexander caught him.

00:59:29.000 That was a shocker.

00:59:31.000 Keith Jardine was a name.

00:59:33.000 And this just upstart, this guy coming out of nowhere.

00:59:36.000 I think he was a radio DJ. I think he beat Saqqara after that, the Italian...

00:59:43.000 Alessio Saqqara?

00:59:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:45.000 I thought he beat him, too.

00:59:47.000 Yeah, Kimbo.

00:59:47.000 But I think he was a radio DJ at the time.

00:59:51.000 Could you imagine being a radio DJ and people talking to DJs and shit?

00:59:54.000 It was a radio DJ while he was fucking people up.

00:59:59.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:00:01.000 It's like you in the barbershop, Dean Thomas.

01:00:03.000 They complain about that fade.

01:00:04.000 Nah, ain't no complaining about my fade.

01:00:07.000 You did a nice...

01:00:08.000 You used to hook my head up on her every week when I still had hair.

01:00:11.000 Yup.

01:00:12.000 That's how we became friends.

01:00:13.000 Because they brought in, on the Ultimate Fighter 4, they brought in some chick.

01:00:16.000 Because they know we, you know, we're not seeing our fiancés or girlfriends or anything.

01:00:21.000 We have no women.

01:00:22.000 We got no porn.

01:00:22.000 We're not jerking off in the same rooms.

01:00:24.000 So fucking, they bring in some girl to do our hair.

01:00:27.000 - Is that code? - At least as far as they know I'm not wrapping up in there.

01:00:33.000 But so they brought in some stylist, and she's not giving me a fade, so I'm like get the fuck out.

01:00:38.000 Dean's like, I got you.

01:00:39.000 I said, I got you, man.

01:00:40.000 You know, to look good is to feel good.

01:00:44.000 You're probably the reason why I won that show.

01:00:48.000 You can never repay me for that.

01:00:50.000 What season are they on now?

01:00:52.000 32. That's crazy.

01:00:54.000 You know what's sad, man?

01:00:54.000 The other day, I just did a camera crew from Toronto came down.

01:01:00.000 They're doing a thing called Dark Side of the Cage, and they want to interview me about War Machine.

01:01:04.000 And they came out.

01:01:06.000 And I did a thing for that.

01:01:07.000 And it just depressed me.

01:01:10.000 It just brought me down.

01:01:12.000 Because that was a kid.

01:01:13.000 Did you know him?

01:01:14.000 I had him on the podcast.

01:01:16.000 That's right.

01:01:17.000 When he was on the show, there's some guys that are just evil.

01:01:21.000 And there's other guys that I think that if they had the right people around them, they could have made different choices.

01:01:25.000 And he was like a goofy...

01:01:29.000 He had issues.

01:01:29.000 He was emotional.

01:01:31.000 He always felt like the cards were stacked against him type of thing.

01:01:36.000 But there was still something likable about him on the show when he was on season six of The Ultimate Fighter.

01:01:41.000 He was like a prankster.

01:01:43.000 He did it up at Decker and fucking the guy's toilet.

01:01:45.000 He was like a silly guy.

01:01:47.000 But I felt that if he had the right people around him, I think he could have made, obviously, a lot better choices.

01:01:54.000 But think about that.

01:01:55.000 But that goes for all of us, right?

01:01:56.000 Because we all kind of came from the same shit from back in the day, right?

01:01:59.000 And then me and Matt, we still in the game.

01:02:02.000 But then look at guys like him and Phil Barone.

01:02:08.000 You could have too much.

01:02:10.000 You know, you can have too much bravado.

01:02:11.000 You can have too much crazy and then it'll ruin your life.

01:02:14.000 Yeah.

01:02:14.000 And there's like, every fighter has a certain amount of crazy.

01:02:17.000 And some guys keep their crazy chamed.

01:02:20.000 They keep it all locked up.

01:02:21.000 They keep it locked up in a fucking, behind that mask.

01:02:24.000 But some guys, they just can't, their crazy burns them down.

01:02:28.000 It burns down everything around them.

01:02:29.000 And then, you know, you got the CTE. And CTE comes into play, then there's a lot of guys that just get real impulsive.

01:02:36.000 They become addicts.

01:02:37.000 They fuck up all relationships.

01:02:39.000 They can't keep their shit together.

01:02:41.000 They're either crying or they're angry.

01:02:44.000 There's some guys that are just bad eggs.

01:02:46.000 There are guys that are bad eggs, but there are guys for sure that are bad eggs that then get CTE. Oh, no, there's probably...

01:02:52.000 Both.

01:02:53.000 Yeah.

01:02:54.000 But like, War Machine, the one guy to show up at his trial to be there for him...

01:02:59.000 And again, you show me your friends, you show me who you are.

01:03:01.000 And it was Phil Barone.

01:03:02.000 Now, Phil Barone's not a good guy.

01:03:04.000 The guy's from Long Island.

01:03:05.000 A million stories about him.

01:03:07.000 Well, isn't he in jail right now?

01:03:08.000 Well, that's what I'm saying, man.

01:03:10.000 In Mexico?

01:03:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:10.000 Not only did he be there for war machine, he outdid him.

01:03:14.000 You know, war machine put his girl in the hospital and beat the shit out of her.

01:03:17.000 And now, you know, Barone's in jail for, you know, allegedly killing her.

01:03:21.000 Murder, yeah.

01:03:22.000 Murder in Mexico.

01:03:24.000 Yeah, Puerto Vallarta, I think.

01:03:26.000 You know.

01:03:27.000 It was like...

01:03:28.000 A bad one, too.

01:03:30.000 Beating to death.

01:03:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:32.000 And now that guy, I mean, listen.

01:03:35.000 Allegedly.

01:03:36.000 Allegedly.

01:03:36.000 Yeah, but it's brutal, man.

01:03:38.000 So, you know, these guys come, you know, again, but back to War Machine, I don't know.

01:03:43.000 It makes me more, like, Phil I always knew was a piece of shit, but...

01:03:47.000 War Machine, I felt, could have been helped.

01:03:48.000 I really do.

01:03:49.000 I mean, what's done is done, but I don't know.

01:03:52.000 It depresses me.

01:03:53.000 Because I thought there was some hope.

01:03:56.000 You had him on the show.

01:03:57.000 Didn't you think there was something about it?

01:03:58.000 I never would have imagined that he would have done that.

01:04:00.000 Right?

01:04:00.000 But I would imagine that he would lose his cool if anybody challenged him.

01:04:06.000 A male.

01:04:07.000 A male.

01:04:08.000 I just never thought that he would do that.

01:04:10.000 To a girl.

01:04:10.000 The way he did that, too.

01:04:12.000 I mean, her eye was shot.

01:04:13.000 The whole thing is just awful.

01:04:16.000 Every part about it is awful.

01:04:18.000 Depressed the hell out of me.

01:04:19.000 And how many guys that That are doing this, like, have also experienced that in their life.

01:04:25.000 Like, seen their mother been beaten, been beaten by their father, grew up in an abusive household where everybody hits everybody.

01:04:31.000 There's a lot of kids, unfortunately, in this world that grow up with parents beating the shit out of them and beating the shit out of each other.

01:04:38.000 Yeah.

01:04:39.000 It's crazy.

01:04:39.000 And, you know, if you ever talk to Joe Pfeiffer, man.

01:04:42.000 Joe Pfeiffer.

01:04:42.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:04:42.000 Oh, my God.

01:04:43.000 That's my guy.

01:04:44.000 He was on your podcast.

01:04:45.000 The reason why he's a fucking assassin.

01:04:47.000 Yeah.

01:04:47.000 Right?

01:04:48.000 Because that dude's angry.

01:04:50.000 Angry all the time.

01:04:52.000 He's angry all the time.

01:04:53.000 And he hits like a fucking neutron bomb.

01:04:55.000 He's terrifying.

01:04:56.000 I was working with him last week when I was with Brady and him, and we were doing elbows, and my wrists still ain't the same right now.

01:05:03.000 Bro, when he banged out Barrio, I was like, Jesus Christ.

01:05:07.000 I mean, with more seasoning, Jack Dellup, I mean, Jack...

01:05:13.000 Jack Hermanson fought a beautiful fight.

01:05:14.000 He outsmarted him.

01:05:17.000 He had more time in the game, and Jack's stand-up has gotten a lot better over the years.

01:05:23.000 He used to be just this wicked grappler, but he held his own on the feet and won the fight mostly with striking, right?

01:05:30.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:05:31.000 And pace.

01:05:32.000 And just knowing not to empty the gas tank.

01:05:34.000 But Pfeiffer is so scary that he gets everybody out of there so quick.

01:05:38.000 Pfeiffer is going to be up there with the best of them.

01:05:40.000 I promise you that.

01:05:41.000 I believe you 100%.

01:05:43.000 He's terrifying.

01:05:44.000 And like a dude like that, he needs a fight like that just to kind of like put it in perspective.

01:05:48.000 Yeah, put him in check.

01:05:50.000 He said, all right, I got a lot more to learn.

01:05:51.000 Yeah, you got to learn the gas tank.

01:05:53.000 Yeah.

01:05:54.000 How many guys don't learn the gas tank?

01:05:55.000 Right.

01:05:56.000 You know?

01:05:56.000 That's what's great about Brady the other day.

01:05:58.000 Yeah.

01:05:59.000 Incredible.

01:05:59.000 He knew when to put the foot on the gas.

01:06:01.000 I was more impressed with his stand-up than anything.

01:06:03.000 Thank you.

01:06:04.000 Stand-up was sharp.

01:06:04.000 Earlier, it was all his grappling, and I'm thinking, this guy, I texted him right after a fight, and that was what I complimented him on.

01:06:10.000 And I gotta give props to John Marquez out in Philly.

01:06:13.000 John Marquez will be putting it together.

01:06:15.000 He'll be putting in work with them guys, you know?

01:06:16.000 You can tell he's a good student too, man, because every fight you see him, and I think in the Bilal Muhammad fight, early in the fight, he was giving Bilal some trouble standing up, but Bilal just put it, I don't think Bilal gets nearly the respect he deserves.

01:06:29.000 Bilal's the man.

01:06:30.000 Yeah, Bilal's the man.

01:06:31.000 Bro, the way he put it on Leon Edwards, how the fuck do you not give that guy all the props?

01:06:37.000 He handled Sean.

01:06:40.000 He handled Sean too.

01:06:41.000 And he stopped Sean standing up.

01:06:44.000 He stopped Sean standing up, you know?

01:06:46.000 And then when you see what he did to Leon, you're like, good lord.

01:06:49.000 It just overwhelmed him.

01:06:51.000 Overwhelming pressure.

01:06:52.000 And on the feet too.

01:06:53.000 On the feet, yeah.

01:06:54.000 On the feet, real fucking dangerous.

01:06:55.000 Never lets you get set.

01:06:56.000 Had Leon making excuses about the time change.

01:07:00.000 Put it that way.

01:07:01.000 Yeah, man.

01:07:02.000 It's a different kind of fight.

01:07:03.000 Yeah, Leon never found his timing, ever.

01:07:06.000 And bro, that guy going to Dagestan was like the ultimate move.

01:07:10.000 The ultimate move.

01:07:11.000 You get involved with Khabib, especially with his kind of style and his work ethic.

01:07:15.000 That dude has a work ethic.

01:07:17.000 Made his top control definitely look better.

01:07:21.000 I also think it's good that he didn't get the props.

01:07:24.000 Because it keeps him hungry.

01:07:25.000 It keeps you hungry.

01:07:26.000 It keeps you fucking 100%.

01:07:27.000 I'll show you, bitches.

01:07:29.000 He's still like that, too, man.

01:07:32.000 He's still hungry and still down to earth.

01:07:34.000 He ain't get all high class.

01:07:36.000 No, no, no.

01:07:37.000 Well, he's just begun, right?

01:07:38.000 So this is a championship run.

01:07:39.000 He proved everybody wrong.

01:07:41.000 He won the title.

01:07:42.000 He's telling everybody, fuck you, even though he doesn't even swear.

01:07:44.000 He says, fudge.

01:07:46.000 He'll say, like, fudge you.

01:07:47.000 I'm like, what's wrong with you, man?

01:07:48.000 He's supposed to cuss.

01:07:48.000 Crazy.

01:07:49.000 He doesn't cuss.

01:07:50.000 But, like, that guy's just beginning his run, you know?

01:07:53.000 So who knows?

01:07:53.000 But that division...

01:07:55.000 Who do you think they give him next?

01:07:56.000 I think they give him Kamaru.

01:07:58.000 That's what I thought, too.

01:07:59.000 That's the big money fight.

01:07:59.000 It's the smart fight.

01:08:01.000 But they owe Kamaru for Kamaru taking Hamzan on 10 days' notice.

01:08:07.000 And also in a three-rounder instead of a five when he won the third.

01:08:11.000 So he's got the L, which is, if he's going five rounds, maybe he doesn't get an L. Yeah, I think he doesn't get the L if it was five rounds.

01:08:17.000 It looked to me like he was coming on in the third.

01:08:19.000 He had to figure him out, and also he had to trust his gas tank.

01:08:22.000 The guy trained ten days, one of the scariest motherfuckers on earth.

01:08:25.000 I mean, that's a gangster.

01:08:27.000 I say you've got to give it to Kamaru because I think Kamaru earned it from that alone.

01:08:31.000 He had to weather that fucking storm of a first round.

01:08:34.000 You're getting off a couch.

01:08:36.000 Even if you're in great shape, you have to weather something like that.

01:08:38.000 That could get your endurance down right there.

01:08:40.000 100%.

01:08:40.000 And he had to know, like, how much do I have?

01:08:44.000 Like, how do I manage this?

01:08:45.000 But he did manage it.

01:08:46.000 He didn't get stopped.

01:08:47.000 He didn't get finished.

01:08:48.000 And then he comes on and wins the third round.

01:08:51.000 You gotta go, come on, man.

01:08:52.000 You won't have any more years of Kamaru.

01:08:54.000 He's like 37 now.

01:08:56.000 And he doesn't have time to go on another run.

01:08:58.000 How old is Kamaru?

01:09:00.000 Is he 37?

01:09:00.000 He's gotta be 37 now.

01:09:01.000 How old is Kamaru?

01:09:02.000 I say give him a shot.

01:09:03.000 I say give him a shot.

01:09:06.000 He got time!

01:09:07.000 Not only that, every win, he's a legend.

01:09:11.000 Bigger and bigger legend.

01:09:12.000 Bigger and bigger legend.

01:09:13.000 37. See, give it to him.

01:09:15.000 Give it to Kamaru.

01:09:16.000 And you got them bad ass knees too, man.

01:09:18.000 Exactly.

01:09:19.000 I send him every time I find something on stem cells, I send it to him.

01:09:22.000 Do you?

01:09:22.000 Yeah, because they're regenerating cartilage now.

01:09:24.000 I'm thinking about doing that shit for my...

01:09:26.000 I'm starting to feel my shoulders, man.

01:09:27.000 You should.

01:09:28.000 You should do it.

01:09:29.000 I'm thinking about that.

01:09:29.000 How long are you in town for?

01:09:31.000 Tomorrow.

01:09:32.000 What time tomorrow do you leave?

01:09:33.000 In the morning.

01:09:34.000 What time in the morning?

01:09:36.000 I think like 7 or so.

01:09:38.000 We'll get you in at 5.30.

01:09:39.000 Stem cells.

01:09:40.000 I might be able to get you in this afternoon.

01:09:42.000 Yeah.

01:09:43.000 Yeah.

01:09:43.000 Really?

01:09:44.000 Let me see.

01:09:44.000 I thought I gotta go to Columbia for that shit.

01:09:46.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:09:47.000 No, no, no.

01:09:48.000 Ways2Well can do stuff here.

01:09:49.000 They do different things in Colombia.

01:09:51.000 In Colombia, what they can do is they can multiply the stem cells.

01:09:54.000 So they can take stem cells.

01:09:56.000 They do that in the CPI down in Tijuana.

01:10:00.000 That's the place.

01:10:00.000 And they have a whole arrangement with the UFC. They have a partnership with the UFC. CPI is incredible.

01:10:06.000 They're in Tijuana.

01:10:07.000 Damn.

01:10:07.000 My buddy has a spot at home called Life Med.

01:10:10.000 They have a deal with the UFC as well.

01:10:13.000 Petrolski goes there like a bunch of these guys doing that stuff.

01:10:15.000 Stem cells are absolutely legit.

01:10:17.000 Yeah, because I mean, listen, I got a new knee and it's holding up great, but I hear stuff with the shoulders, you're fucked.

01:10:23.000 You can't get shoulder surgeries and shit.

01:10:24.000 Well, you can, but you can't use it anymore.

01:10:28.000 It's going to take some time.

01:10:30.000 It's a complicated joint.

01:10:31.000 Do you do anything to strengthen your shoulders?

01:10:33.000 Do you do any workouts?

01:10:34.000 I mean, no.

01:10:35.000 I mean, I do my push-ups and I hang from my bar just to stretch the shit out.

01:10:39.000 Anybody that has shoulder problems.

01:10:41.000 I have no affiliation with these people.

01:10:42.000 Get yourself crossover symmetry bands.

01:10:45.000 Get yourself these bands.

01:10:46.000 They start with like five pounds or something like that.

01:10:50.000 I use a 25 pound one.

01:10:52.000 It's not a lot of force.

01:10:53.000 And I do a series of exercises just to stabilize my shoulders.

01:10:58.000 A whole series of different things that I do.

01:11:01.000 Every week, no matter what, I do these.

01:11:03.000 Is it like that thing with the coils back in the day?

01:11:05.000 It is, but it's like a bungee cord.

01:11:07.000 It's like a cord, like a rubber strap that you're pulling on.

01:11:11.000 My physical therapist has them, too.

01:11:14.000 Different ones have different weights to them, so you can start off low.

01:11:17.000 But the whole idea is there's a whole chart that comes with it and shows you all the different things, and it just strengthens all the shit that you don't strengthen when you're just lifting weights.

01:11:25.000 Okay.

01:11:26.000 If you're just lifting weights, or especially if you're just rolling, how often are you really using those shoulder muscles?

01:11:31.000 You're using everything, right?

01:11:33.000 So are your shoulder muscles getting a good workout, or is your cardiovascular system and your legs and your biceps and your back, that getting a good workout?

01:11:40.000 But you're going to miss muscle groups.

01:11:43.000 Jiu-Jitsu misses muscle groups.

01:11:44.000 And the only way to really strengthen joints, I think, is exercise.

01:11:49.000 And I think you've got to do weights and bands and a bunch of shit just to protect your joints.

01:11:53.000 That's like that knees over toes guy.

01:11:55.000 This thing you were talking about, too, helps to really stabilize the ligaments.

01:12:00.000 It tightens all the stabilizers up, and that's the thing everybody neglects because if you go too heavy, your delt takes over and your rotator cuff's not getting it.

01:12:09.000 Exactly.

01:12:10.000 This kind of stuff definitely should be used.

01:12:14.000 That knees-over-toes guy got a whole shoulder bulletproofing program, too, with light dumbbells where you're doing a bunch of these things.

01:12:20.000 Yeah, I love his knee shit.

01:12:21.000 See, I got to do that because holding pads for people, oh, it tears your shoulders up.

01:12:25.000 And then for you, that's all day long.

01:12:28.000 Isn't it crazy how some dudes just have crack, just have some extra crack?

01:12:34.000 I'm telling you, Joe Pifer.

01:12:36.000 Extra crack.

01:12:37.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:12:38.000 Extra crack.

01:12:39.000 For sure.

01:12:39.000 I wouldn't want to hold pads for that, dude.

01:12:41.000 You're going to get carpal tunnel syndrome.

01:12:42.000 Yeah.

01:12:43.000 And that's what happened to me all in one week.

01:12:45.000 Matt Serra, you had extra crack.

01:12:47.000 You had extra crack.

01:12:48.000 Crack?

01:12:49.000 Extra crack.

01:12:52.000 Matt Serra had a good right hand.

01:12:54.000 You would catch people and you would see this like, oh no, look on their face.

01:12:58.000 When you caught GSP, I remember thinking, because we already knew by then that you could knock people out with one shot, which was so odd for a jujitsu guy.

01:13:08.000 So everybody had to worry about your ground game, but they always have to worry about being in the pocket, because one of those hammers drops in there, and you've got a real problem on your hands.

01:13:16.000 I ain't gonna lie.

01:13:16.000 When I fought, Matt, I was like, I ain't gonna let him hit me with that right hand.

01:13:19.000 He ain't gonna take me down before that.

01:13:21.000 It's a little fire plug.

01:13:22.000 It's a thing, but you didn't have a background in striking as a child, right?

01:13:26.000 No.

01:13:27.000 My father used to hold pads for me.

01:13:29.000 I had a wooden dummy in my garage.

01:13:30.000 I used to do all my stuff.

01:13:32.000 Wing Chun?

01:13:32.000 Yep.

01:13:33.000 And I'll tell you right now.

01:13:34.000 If you're doing Wing Chun as something to add on, that's fun.

01:13:39.000 But the trapping range, the grappling's right there.

01:13:41.000 Anytime I got into a real fight, I'd start with a chain punch and I'd do my double leg.

01:13:46.000 I think there's something to it for transitions.

01:13:49.000 Me too.

01:13:49.000 I think there's something to having all those moves.

01:13:51.000 Think about how many times you see boxers literally swat a guy's hand down to land a punch.

01:13:57.000 Oh, the puck's out.

01:13:57.000 Hey, that's Kamaru Usman, Jorge Masvidal.

01:14:00.000 Yeah.

01:14:01.000 True.

01:14:02.000 But by itself, it's shit.

01:14:04.000 Of course, but Taekwondo by itself is shit too.

01:14:06.000 Everything by itself is shit.

01:14:08.000 Exactly.

01:14:08.000 All those things, but I think, I knew a dude who was really good at Wing Chun and he was explaining some things to me.

01:14:13.000 And some of the things that he was showing me, there's certain vulnerabilities if you're inside with someone where they can really easily manipulate your arms back and forth and move your guard around and drop elbows on you.

01:14:26.000 Like Wing Chun and then Muay Thai, you see some of the Muay Thai stuff where guys grab wrists and come over the top.

01:14:32.000 That's a lot of Wing Chun.

01:14:34.000 The difference is, when you look at two Muay Thai guys getting into a street fight, it'll probably look something like you're watching them in a Muay Thai fight.

01:14:41.000 You put two Kung Fu masters in there, Wing Chun guys, it is the worst grappling match I've ever seen.

01:14:48.000 Because it starts like a Yip Man movie, and then they fucking on the floor, like what the...

01:14:53.000 I don't have white belts winning.

01:14:55.000 Guys are dropping for ankle locks.

01:14:57.000 It's fucking horrendous.

01:14:59.000 I've seen a few of those.

01:15:00.000 I've seen a few of those.

01:15:02.000 But I feel the Westin boxing, Longo got me, obviously, I had to learn on the job.

01:15:09.000 It was different back in the day.

01:15:10.000 Everybody had a specialty back then.

01:15:12.000 When the UFC came out, everybody was like, oh, fuck all the striking.

01:15:15.000 So I was like, in my mentality, I'm like, all right, I got to just close the distance.

01:15:18.000 You can't trade.

01:15:19.000 And then I had to relearn, like, no, no, no.

01:15:22.000 Sometimes you got to be in the fire and you have to learn those mechanics and whatnot.

01:15:26.000 Well, that's the difference between guys who are pretty good and guys who become champions.

01:15:30.000 It's like this ability to absorb other skills and then implement them at a world-class level while you're an adult, which is crazy.

01:15:39.000 It's not easy to do.

01:15:40.000 It's crazy.

01:15:40.000 It's very hard to do.

01:15:41.000 And most guys, they are always going to be a step behind the guys who started out as a child.

01:15:47.000 Oh, 100%.

01:15:47.000 It's just more natural to them.

01:15:49.000 Speaking of crack, Mark Dellegrati says that you have the hardest kick that he's ever held for.

01:15:59.000 I kick pretty hard.

01:16:00.000 Yeah.

01:16:01.000 Not a lot of people might give you credit for that.

01:16:04.000 Did he tell me that yesterday and then he said, Joe, give him a line.

01:16:05.000 Give him a call.

01:16:07.000 You know, you're going on there by the way.

01:16:09.000 He's got the best fucking kick.

01:16:10.000 No, we're kidding.

01:16:12.000 Mark Dellegrati on season four, we didn't have set coaches.

01:16:16.000 He was like an assistant coach and he gave above and beyond for everybody.

01:16:20.000 He's a great dude and a great coach too.

01:16:24.000 I love training with him.

01:16:25.000 He showed me all kinds of things that tightened up my technique.

01:16:29.000 All kinds of things.

01:16:30.000 All kinds of things just in transitions, like transitional techniques, like different things to do off of different kicks.

01:16:38.000 He's still teaching and has a school, right?

01:16:40.000 Yeah, he still has a school.

01:16:41.000 What is it called?

01:16:42.000 Sigitoms.

01:16:42.000 That's what I was going to say.

01:16:44.000 I trained with that dude.

01:16:45.000 I tried to hurt him.

01:16:46.000 You tried to hurt him?

01:16:47.000 I tried to hurt those arms.

01:16:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:16:48.000 I'm going to hurt those forearms.

01:16:50.000 You know?

01:16:51.000 He was letting us hit the pads, take them down, hit on the floor.

01:16:53.000 Like, he earned his cash on fucking Ultimate Final Four.

01:16:58.000 He's a man.

01:16:59.000 He's a great coach.

01:17:00.000 And, you know, speaks Thai.

01:17:01.000 Fluently.

01:17:02.000 Does he really?

01:17:02.000 I didn't know that.

01:17:03.000 Fluently.

01:17:04.000 Speaks Thai.

01:17:05.000 Oh, that's wild, man.

01:17:05.000 Yeah, he can go to Thailand and just talk to people.

01:17:07.000 No kidding?

01:17:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:09.000 We've gone to Thai restaurants, and he just orders Thai.

01:17:11.000 What?

01:17:11.000 With a Boston accent?

01:17:13.000 Yeah, he does.

01:17:13.000 Yeah, with a Boston accent, yeah.

01:17:14.000 Oh, yeah, you can tell it's Mac Dettegrat.

01:17:16.000 That's funny.

01:17:17.000 Yeah, he does.

01:17:18.000 He speaks Thai.

01:17:19.000 He fought in Thailand a bunch.

01:17:20.000 Yeah, I knew that, but I didn't know he spoke Thai.

01:17:22.000 He's an interesting dude.

01:17:23.000 Very interesting dude.

01:17:26.000 Are we breaking out the smelling salts?

01:17:28.000 Are you scared?

01:17:29.000 I am scared.

01:17:30.000 He's waiting.

01:17:30.000 You should be.

01:17:31.000 Hold on, so what do they do?

01:17:31.000 This is the strongest shit.

01:17:32.000 I know what they do.

01:17:33.000 I mean, maybe there's some stronger shit that I'm not aware of, but this is...

01:17:37.000 Jujumufu should give us a discount code.

01:17:40.000 Who?

01:17:40.000 It's called AH. This dude Juju Mufu, do you know who he is?

01:17:43.000 I've never heard of him.

01:17:45.000 Crazy power lifter athlete.

01:17:47.000 Super athletic Juju Mufu.

01:17:48.000 Crazy athletic, but built like Bobby Lashley.

01:17:51.000 He can do full splits over tables while he's doing 500 pound overhead squats.

01:17:57.000 Bro, he's crazy flexible.

01:17:59.000 And he wears a thong.

01:18:00.000 He's a nut.

01:18:01.000 He's always doing nutty shit for the internet.

01:18:03.000 So the smelling salts will get me looking like that?

01:18:05.000 No, no, no.

01:18:06.000 I think you need some other things.

01:18:07.000 I'm afraid of my stomach.

01:18:09.000 You take the smelling salts before you lift that weight.

01:18:12.000 I'm not going to smell this and have to shit myself.

01:18:14.000 You take the smelling salts before you go across the border with 15 pounds of steroids.

01:18:17.000 Ah.

01:18:19.000 So...

01:18:20.000 You think it's going to hurt me?

01:18:21.000 You have to use the bathroom?

01:18:22.000 No!

01:18:23.000 No, no, no, no.

01:18:23.000 So, again, this is a fresh one.

01:18:26.000 The fresh ones are the strongest.

01:18:27.000 Jesus Christ.

01:18:28.000 This is so strong that I'm going to open it.

01:18:29.000 It's a sealed bottle.

01:18:30.000 The bottle's sealed, and the bag is sealed, too.

01:18:33.000 God damn it, my hands are sweaty.

01:18:36.000 It stinks already.

01:18:37.000 Just smell it.

01:18:38.000 It stinks already.

01:18:40.000 I haven't even opened the bag yet.

01:18:42.000 The bag is still sealed.

01:18:43.000 The bag is still sealed.

01:18:45.000 So I'm going to open this and just...

01:18:48.000 Smell that?

01:18:49.000 Just get a whiff?

01:18:50.000 And it's sealed inside the bag.

01:18:51.000 I get it.

01:18:52.000 It's sealed.

01:18:53.000 Fully sealed.

01:18:54.000 Fully sealed.

01:18:55.000 You got it?

01:18:56.000 Right, right, right?

01:18:58.000 You're not even ready yet.

01:18:59.000 You don't even know what's happening now.

01:19:01.000 This is ammonia.

01:19:03.000 This is where it goes on.

01:19:04.000 It's bad.

01:19:05.000 Let's go!

01:19:07.000 Let's go!

01:19:07.000 Ready?

01:19:08.000 Here we go.

01:19:12.000 Oh, we're going this night, counterclockwise?

01:19:14.000 Take a big deep.

01:19:15.000 Deep breaths.

01:19:16.000 No, but a few inches from the nose and just go for it.

01:19:18.000 Oh!

01:19:21.000 That's no Vicks Vaporub.

01:19:28.000 Oh, wow.

01:19:29.000 Oh, my God.

01:19:29.000 Rallo probably did it this morning before he woke up.

01:19:32.000 Yo.

01:19:32.000 Man, it's been many, many years.

01:19:34.000 Wow.

01:19:34.000 Get in there, Rallo.

01:19:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:38.000 I think I have to take a shit.

01:19:42.000 Yeah, that'll cure snoring, for sure.

01:19:48.000 Yeah, I'm sweating.

01:19:53.000 Dude, what movie is this from?

01:19:55.000 Blade!

01:19:56.000 The opening scene of Blade!

01:19:58.000 Best opening scene of any superhero movie of all time!

01:20:03.000 Did you see Deadpool and Wolverine?

01:20:04.000 No.

01:20:05.000 But I can't fuck with this!

01:20:07.000 I cannot fuck with the opening scene in Blade.

01:20:09.000 When they all turned into vampires and he thought he was gonna fuck Tracy Lords.

01:20:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:13.000 So he's down there hanging out with Tracy Lords, and he doesn't know she's a vampire, and she leads him down in this basement where he sees bodies hanging from meat hooks.

01:20:21.000 He's like, what the fuck is this place?

01:20:22.000 And then the sprinkler starts spraying blood, and everybody turns into a vampire around him.

01:20:27.000 And he's freaking out, and he's trying to get out of there, and she's like, hey baby.

01:20:32.000 This is a great movie.

01:20:33.000 And he gets his ass kicked, and they're all beating him up, and they're about to kill him.

01:20:36.000 And Wesley Snipes shows up.

01:20:39.000 So is Wesley Snipes back as Blade?

01:20:41.000 They're going to have him back as Blade now, right?

01:20:44.000 You haven't seen Wolverine?

01:20:46.000 Thank God!

01:20:48.000 They should have brought him back as Blade right when he got out of prison.

01:20:51.000 You didn't like sticky fingers?

01:20:53.000 Here it is.

01:20:54.000 Here it is.

01:20:54.000 This is the scene.

01:20:55.000 Like, oh shit, it's the Daywalker.

01:20:59.000 They're like, oh no.

01:21:01.000 Come on, bro.

01:21:02.000 What's the greatest scene?

01:21:04.000 The greatest scene in any martial arts slash superhero movie ever, and then he fucks everybody up, of course.

01:21:12.000 That was great.

01:21:13.000 So what do people do the smelling salts for?

01:21:16.000 They do it before they lift.

01:21:17.000 Yeah, powerlifters do it before they take a big lift a lot of times.

01:21:21.000 Oh, just like one before a big lift?

01:21:22.000 Yeah, guys would have this shit in their gym bags, and they bring it with them, and when they're ready to go for something crazy...

01:21:27.000 They want to do some big deadlifts.

01:21:29.000 Right?

01:21:29.000 That's it.

01:21:32.000 It's gotta be good for your sinuses.

01:21:33.000 Yeah, I was about to say.

01:21:34.000 I think it's good for America.

01:21:36.000 I think it's good for everything.

01:21:38.000 I think it's good for everything.

01:21:40.000 We have them at the studio or at the comedy club.

01:21:42.000 Dudes take smell and smells before they go on stage.

01:21:44.000 Oh, really?

01:21:45.000 Yeah, it's fun.

01:21:46.000 Pass it around the room.

01:21:47.000 And everyone's like, let me try, let me try.

01:21:49.000 I'd do that before I attack my wife.

01:21:54.000 The stuff we have at the comedy club though is not this strong.

01:22:03.000 This is the strongest one.

01:22:05.000 This one fucks you up.

01:22:06.000 The other ones you can kind of get in there a little bit.

01:22:11.000 Yeah.

01:22:11.000 I like it.

01:22:12.000 You get too close with that one and it'll burn the inside of your head.

01:22:15.000 I like it.

01:22:15.000 I felt that.

01:22:16.000 I felt it in my brain.

01:22:18.000 You want everybody to go round two?

01:22:19.000 Do it, man.

01:22:20.000 I went round two.

01:22:20.000 I feel like that's what happens.

01:22:21.000 You want to go round three?

01:22:22.000 That's what happens with everybody.

01:22:23.000 Everybody, they get it and they're like, wow, that was terrible.

01:22:26.000 That was terrible.

01:22:26.000 Let me do it again.

01:22:28.000 You do threes with the Uzzins?

01:22:30.000 Yeah, I do threes.

01:22:32.000 You know why?

01:22:32.000 You make me feel like a crackhead.

01:22:33.000 He got me into the sixes.

01:22:34.000 Yeah, I backed off.

01:22:36.000 Because I was realizing, I think I like these things too much.

01:22:39.000 Especially gets the body to hit a little adrenaline.

01:22:42.000 Oh, really?

01:22:42.000 That does.

01:22:42.000 Yeah, we're talking about the nicotines doesn't.

01:22:44.000 Oh, no, no.

01:22:46.000 I like the nicotines, though.

01:22:48.000 I like them when I'm having conversations.

01:22:50.000 What do you do to me now?

01:22:51.000 They're good.

01:22:51.000 I don't think it's bad.

01:22:53.000 I just think you got to be careful.

01:22:55.000 Like, I like to take days off, see if it's freaking me out.

01:22:58.000 So far, no problems.

01:23:00.000 I'm having fun.

01:23:01.000 It's the trifecta now.

01:23:02.000 I told y'all, whatever y'all do today, I'm doing.

01:23:04.000 One more time!

01:23:04.000 Yeah, I'm good.

01:23:06.000 Oh, this is dying out.

01:23:08.000 Yeah, if you keep the lid off.

01:23:10.000 It's dying out already.

01:23:11.000 In between uses, keep it.

01:23:12.000 But I think it's, you know, it's probably...

01:23:14.000 Jesus.

01:23:16.000 How consistent are they with this match?

01:23:17.000 Make sure your eyes water.

01:23:17.000 Dean, you're doing everything today, Dean.

01:23:18.000 I was just about to say, I'm about to cry.

01:23:20.000 I'm about to pull a Khalil Rountree on y'all.

01:23:22.000 I'm feeling emotional.

01:23:23.000 Khalil's going to be mad at you.

01:23:24.000 I'm feeling emotional right now.

01:23:26.000 I love Khalil Rountree.

01:23:27.000 No, no, no.

01:23:30.000 Khalil, I'm sorry.

01:23:31.000 I just want to tell you, I'm sorry.

01:23:33.000 But that is going to be a wild fight.

01:23:34.000 I'll tell you what.

01:23:35.000 Oh, shit, yeah.

01:23:35.000 That's going to be a wild fight.

01:23:36.000 It's going to be fan-friendly for sure.

01:23:38.000 Yeah, Khalil has probably never shot a takedown in his entire career.

01:23:43.000 I think Khalil can win, too.

01:23:44.000 No, he's never shot a takedown in the UFC. Bruv, Khalil hits anybody.

01:23:48.000 He can knock you out.

01:23:49.000 Alex gets hit.

01:23:50.000 You know, I mean, it's a fact.

01:23:51.000 Well, he puts himself...

01:23:52.000 He's got that crazy style, man.

01:23:54.000 That style, that snake-like style that he has.

01:23:56.000 And the hands down.

01:23:58.000 Yeah, he holds his hands right here and just like, bop, bop.

01:24:00.000 You've seen him sparring, right?

01:24:02.000 You've seen some of those videos of him sparring, like, really good boxers, man.

01:24:05.000 He's staying in the pocket with them, too.

01:24:06.000 And that style is hard to handle because it's so weird.

01:24:09.000 They're used to everything.

01:24:10.000 Like, that one boxer that he was training with, he's like, I don't know if he's professional, but he's a big heavyweight, very skillful, but everything was, like, real traditional.

01:24:19.000 And then you see Pereira's moving at you like a cobra.

01:24:22.000 Like, it's so hard to figure out what the fuck he's doing.

01:24:25.000 And you're lucky he's not kicking you.

01:24:27.000 You know, he's just punching this dude.

01:24:30.000 Hey, like you said, Khalil, if he lands...

01:24:32.000 If he lands, everybody goes night-night.

01:24:34.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:24:35.000 Everybody goes night-night.

01:24:35.000 That guy's fast as fuck.

01:24:37.000 I know.

01:24:38.000 And he fights angry.

01:24:40.000 How old is Pereira?

01:24:43.000 They're both about the same age, I believe.

01:24:45.000 34, maybe?

01:24:46.000 How old is Khalil?

01:24:47.000 I think Pereira's 35, and I think Khalil is probably in that same range.

01:24:52.000 Alex is 37. Alex is 37?

01:24:55.000 Wow.

01:24:55.000 How old's Khalil?

01:24:57.000 Wow.

01:24:59.000 I had no idea he was that old.

01:25:01.000 And fighting well.

01:25:04.000 It's 37 Amazon warrior years.

01:25:08.000 And he don't have a lot of damage.

01:25:10.000 I'm 36 on mine.

01:25:11.000 Khalil's 34. Speaking of superheroes.

01:25:14.000 He has some damage though.

01:25:15.000 Some kickboxing fights.

01:25:17.000 He got stopped.

01:25:18.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:25:19.000 And, you know, the one with the bad one with Izzy.

01:25:23.000 That was a bad one.

01:25:24.000 That was a bad KO. And that's a weight-drained KO. You know?

01:25:28.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:25:29.000 KO at 85. I mean, just Izzy caught him with that perfect right hand.

01:25:33.000 Well, I asked, too, because when guys that fight, like Roy Jones, amazing, but an amazing athlete, he was so much faster than everybody fought with.

01:25:43.000 He could keep his hands down and still never get hit.

01:25:46.000 But...

01:25:47.000 When he started to slow down, everybody knocked him out.

01:25:51.000 That's why I asked how old Pereira was, because I'm like, maybe when he slows a bit and the hands are down, that's when the button starts to get pushed.

01:25:59.000 I think, this is my opinion, with Roy, what happened was he went up and he fought John Ruiz.

01:26:05.000 And then he went down and he fought Tarp.

01:26:07.000 I don't think he was the same after that.

01:26:10.000 And I don't know, but I would imagine if you want to get really big, there's not a lot of ways to get really big.

01:26:15.000 How do you go from 168 to 200 pounds?

01:26:18.000 How do you do that?

01:26:19.000 Well, you lift some weights.

01:26:21.000 Get a little help.

01:26:22.000 You got some friends.

01:26:24.000 So then you have to get off of that, and then you have to drop 25 pounds from your body.

01:26:29.000 So your body's fully acclimated to this new frame.

01:26:32.000 That's a hard cut.

01:26:33.000 And if you look at the way he looked pre-Tarver fight, like if you go back and watch him fight like James Toney when he was in his prime, you watch him fight like some of the better fights of his career, like the Vinnie Pazienza fight where he didn't get hit with one punch.

01:26:49.000 He was so nasty.

01:26:52.000 But he was also shredded.

01:26:53.000 He was shredded.

01:26:54.000 And he looked like hard.

01:26:56.000 He had the most defined bicep.

01:27:00.000 His left bicep is twice as big as his right.

01:27:03.000 But when you see him after the Tarva fight, he looks way more smooth.

01:27:06.000 I think that cut was hard, man.

01:27:09.000 I think that cut was hard.

01:27:10.000 And then he probably got off whatever he got on.

01:27:13.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:27:13.000 And then your system's not working right.

01:27:15.000 And if you don't have a good doctor, and you're just trying to do this with gym bros...

01:27:19.000 Next thing you know, you're in those shitty Matrix sequels.

01:27:21.000 Didn't have any HCG and all of a sudden...

01:27:23.000 Remember the Glenn Johnson one?

01:27:25.000 You know the Glenn Johnson one?

01:27:25.000 Man, I felt bad for him after that.

01:27:28.000 That was a bad one.

01:27:30.000 And that was off the Tarver fight, right?

01:27:32.000 And so you see, like, all of a sudden this dude just can't take a shot anymore.

01:27:35.000 And Glenn Johnson, who was one of those unheralded, dangerous dudes that could really kind of beat anybody.

01:27:41.000 That crazy clamshell style.

01:27:42.000 Who was the boy that knocked him out in Australia?

01:27:47.000 I don't know.

01:27:49.000 Kawzagi didn't knock him out, right?

01:27:51.000 He shut him out, though.

01:27:54.000 Kawzagi would just throw volume at him.

01:27:56.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:27:57.000 He Roy Jones'd Roy Jones.

01:27:59.000 He was in his face like...

01:28:01.000 Different Roy Jones, though.

01:28:03.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:28:04.000 If you fought the Roy Jones that James Toney had to fight, then it's a different thing.

01:28:10.000 One of the purest power punchers was Julian Jackson.

01:28:14.000 Oh my god.

01:28:15.000 Yes, the Hulk?

01:28:16.000 Oh my god.

01:28:18.000 You know, Kevin Holland's coach used to work with him.

01:28:22.000 Really?

01:28:22.000 Yeah, they're like really good friends.

01:28:24.000 That guy was a savage.

01:28:26.000 That guy had power, power.

01:28:28.000 Play that.

01:28:28.000 Play the Terry Norris fight.

01:28:30.000 Julian Jackson, Terry Norris.

01:28:30.000 Plus to Danny Green in Australia.

01:28:32.000 Yeah, Danny Green.

01:28:33.000 Danny Green, yeah.

01:28:34.000 Yo, dude, I'm going to use the head real quick.

01:28:35.000 Go ahead, go, go.

01:28:36.000 You know what to say.

01:28:37.000 You know my ass.

01:28:38.000 Yeah.

01:28:41.000 Terry Norris and...

01:28:43.000 Julian Jackson and Terry Norris.

01:28:47.000 Dude, you just do Julian Jackson highlights.

01:28:50.000 This one's terrifying.

01:28:51.000 This one's terrifying.

01:28:52.000 Well, Terry Norris, that poor guy.

01:28:54.000 Yeah, he's in real rough shape now.

01:28:56.000 I don't think nobody had more one-punch power than Julian Jackson.

01:28:59.000 No.

01:28:59.000 Short punches, too.

01:29:01.000 That was tough.

01:29:03.000 I used to love him.

01:29:04.000 Yeah.

01:29:04.000 Orlin Norris, he's good, too.

01:29:06.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:07.000 His brother was a heavyweight, and he was 47. I remember.

01:29:12.000 47 and 54, right?

01:29:14.000 But watch this Julian Jackson KO. It's so crazy because it's like he just shuts him off.

01:29:20.000 And Terry Norris was a killer.

01:29:22.000 Oh, this is a prime Terry Norris.

01:29:24.000 This is a prime Terry Norris.

01:29:25.000 This is a dangerous Terry Norris here.

01:29:27.000 But he just catches him.

01:29:30.000 Watch this.

01:29:32.000 Bink!

01:29:33.000 Okay, so that was the first one.

01:29:34.000 So you heard him with that left hand, but he catches him with the right hand and just freezes him.

01:29:39.000 Oh my god.

01:29:42.000 I'm gonna get my haircut like his.

01:29:44.000 Just a pure one-punch fighter.

01:29:45.000 Yeah, this guy was.

01:29:46.000 Some guys just like to hit him.

01:29:48.000 Just say, look at him stalking.

01:29:49.000 He's waiting to hit you with it.

01:29:52.000 I would be terrified if that guy was stalking me like that.

01:29:55.000 It's just he knows.

01:29:56.000 All he has to do is get you once.

01:29:59.000 And every time he hits you, you know it too, because you're like, oh shit, this is fucking terrifying.

01:30:04.000 So he's already softened him up and there it is.

01:30:08.000 He took two more.

01:30:11.000 He was out on his feet, bro, and those were wind-up ones.

01:30:15.000 The last two he took were wind-up ones.

01:30:17.000 Julian Jackson was terrifying.

01:30:19.000 How short those punches are.

01:30:22.000 Gerald McClellan had his number.

01:30:24.000 I felt so bad for him because he got slept so fast in those fights.

01:30:30.000 No, Gerald McClellan was a 75-pounder.

01:30:33.000 Oh, they fought twice.

01:30:34.000 Gerald McClellan fought Terry Norris?

01:30:36.000 Julian Jackson.

01:30:37.000 Oh, that's right.

01:30:39.000 But that's when Julian went up, right?

01:30:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:41.000 So was Julian a middleweight at this time?

01:30:43.000 I believe so.

01:30:44.000 Because the crazy thing is, like, I didn't know that Gerald McClellan and Julian Jackson were at the same weight class.

01:30:52.000 Yeah, they wound up fighting twice.

01:30:53.000 I was at one of the fights.

01:30:55.000 McClellan, though, was like 175, though, right?

01:30:57.000 At the MGM. McClellan was so dangerous, man.

01:31:01.000 My first live boxing card I ever went to was in Vegas at the MGM, and it was all rematches.

01:31:08.000 It was Jesse James Leha and Azuma Nelson.

01:31:11.000 Yeah.

01:31:12.000 It was, I think it was Simon Brown and Vincent Petway.

01:31:16.000 It was Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan, and it was Julio Cesar Chavez and Frankie Randall.

01:31:22.000 God, what weight is this at?

01:31:23.000 What weight is this at?

01:31:25.000 Because I know they were trying to set up...

01:31:26.000 Middleweight?

01:31:28.000 Crazy.

01:31:29.000 So that's before...

01:31:32.000 Well, they were talking about a Roy Jones Jr. fight.

01:31:34.000 And I think he was really struggling.

01:31:37.000 Was that a low blow?

01:31:37.000 Big time.

01:31:39.000 Yeah, because Gerald McClellan...

01:31:40.000 He was really struggling to make weight.

01:31:41.000 Gerald took his belt, and then they rematched, and he slept in first round, maybe.

01:31:45.000 And so the Nigel Benn fight, that was middleweight as well.

01:31:48.000 Nigel Benn, man, he...

01:31:49.000 That was the one that ended his career.

01:31:51.000 Joe McClellan.

01:31:52.000 Yeah, dude.

01:31:53.000 I mean, in my opinion, there was a lot of rabbit punching and he wound up having a blood clot in the back of his head after that fight.

01:31:59.000 Well, there was also a nasty headbutt in that fight, too.

01:32:02.000 But it's also Nigel Benn came back from that first round.

01:32:05.000 Oh, look at that KO. Oh, my goodness.

01:32:08.000 In the rematch, he sleeps him fast.

01:32:11.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:32:11.000 What is going on with his hair?

01:32:13.000 That's what they did back then.

01:32:15.000 What is that?

01:32:15.000 Kitten play.

01:32:16.000 High top fade?

01:32:17.000 Yeah, but I mean, it's like that and the little sides.

01:32:20.000 You need them cut.

01:32:21.000 Oh, my God.

01:32:21.000 Gerald McClellan just coming after you for the kill.

01:32:24.000 Terrifying.

01:32:25.000 That's it.

01:32:26.000 Are they going to let him count?

01:32:27.000 He just had his number, man.

01:32:29.000 Beat him both times.

01:32:30.000 Well, he was one of the scariest punchers of all time.

01:32:33.000 Yeah, both of them.

01:32:34.000 But he's another guy who tried to empty the gas tank with Nigel Ben in that first round, and Ben survived, and then he winds up having that brain bleed.

01:32:43.000 That's one of the scariest ones ever, man.

01:32:45.000 Is this the rematch?

01:32:47.000 Okay, let's watch this execution.

01:32:49.000 I remember this.

01:32:50.000 I was at this one.

01:32:52.000 This was in Vegas?

01:32:54.000 Yeah.

01:32:54.000 MGM. Well, once Gerald McClellan knew that he could put it on you, it's like his power was just so nuts for that weight class.

01:33:03.000 But I always wanted to know, like, what does he really weigh?

01:33:07.000 He's like one of those Benavidez guys.

01:33:09.000 Like, when you get in there, what do you really weigh?

01:33:11.000 Because he really struggled with the weight cut.

01:33:15.000 And that's one...

01:33:16.000 Oh, my God.

01:33:16.000 Right away.

01:33:17.000 Oh, man.

01:33:17.000 Right away.

01:33:17.000 That's what I say.

01:33:18.000 He gets him early in this one.

01:33:20.000 Just teeing off, dude.

01:33:20.000 Teeing off.

01:33:21.000 That shot to the body.

01:33:25.000 My goodness.

01:33:26.000 He can't even look up.

01:33:27.000 He's not even giving him his chance to get off.

01:33:29.000 Just getting executed.

01:33:33.000 Every shot's got murder on it.

01:33:36.000 Oh, that left of the body.

01:33:37.000 Oh my goodness.

01:33:39.000 The power in these fucking punches, man.

01:33:41.000 Just overwhelming.

01:33:42.000 Liver shot.

01:33:44.000 They're giving him a standing eight.

01:33:45.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:33:46.000 Standing eight count is kind of nuts.

01:33:48.000 It's the dumbest rule ever.

01:33:49.000 It's kind of nuts.

01:33:50.000 You're concussed.

01:33:51.000 Let me give you eight seconds to clear your head and get concussed.

01:33:53.000 MMA is the way to do it.

01:33:54.000 It really is.

01:33:55.000 Well, you remember when Shudo used to do standing eight counts?

01:33:58.000 Yeah, back in the day.

01:33:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:01.000 What do you think about red cards?

01:34:03.000 Or yellow cards?

01:34:04.000 I think they should bring them back.

01:34:05.000 What would you bring them back for?

01:34:07.000 Stalling?

01:34:07.000 Stalling.

01:34:08.000 Yeah, that's probably about the only thing you should bring them back for, stalling.

01:34:12.000 Like hanging out too long.

01:34:13.000 Like, hey man, get to work.

01:34:15.000 I used to think when there was a submission in the Pride, and the referee would be like, what would he say?

01:34:22.000 Shut up!

01:34:22.000 What would he say?

01:34:24.000 Catch!

01:34:27.000 Yeah, when someone caught something.

01:34:29.000 What do you guys think of Ortega and Lopez?

01:34:33.000 Crazy.

01:34:34.000 That's a good fight.

01:34:35.000 I think Lopez is going to get them.

01:34:38.000 I'm on that side.

01:34:40.000 Lopez went through a rollercoaster ride in his last fight.

01:34:43.000 I know.

01:34:44.000 Imagine that.

01:34:44.000 You've got three different opponents.

01:34:46.000 You've got three different weight classes.

01:34:48.000 Everything's changing.

01:34:49.000 Well, you've got two different opponents, but a bunch of different weight classes.

01:34:52.000 And then Ortega can't make it.

01:34:54.000 And so Ortega steps out, and then he winds up fighting Dan Ige, 50K Ige, on like 40 minutes notice.

01:35:03.000 Daniel's just chilling in his house.

01:35:04.000 He might have trained that day.

01:35:05.000 Something I didn't know about that, but I was watching, DC was actually talking about this.

01:35:11.000 And he said that Ige had been training for five or six weeks.

01:35:15.000 Obviously, he took the fight on like a two-hour call.

01:35:17.000 They said Lopez had only been training for three weeks.

01:35:21.000 Yeah, because he actually had shorter notice.

01:35:24.000 Oh, that's crazy.

01:35:25.000 Because it was short notice for him, too.

01:35:26.000 Because he got tired in the fight, and everybody's thinking he's got a bad gas tank.

01:35:29.000 Well, he had to cut weight, too, though.

01:35:31.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:35:31.000 He cut weight to 45. Yeah, so he had three weeks of training, weight up and down everywhere.

01:35:36.000 And they fought at 60, right?

01:35:37.000 And he was able to pull it out.

01:35:39.000 Didn't they fight at 60?

01:35:40.000 Yeah, because it It was same day weighing.

01:35:43.000 Which is crazy.

01:35:44.000 Which is really like, no one should be cutting weight, kids.

01:35:47.000 Right, like at this point, if you make the fight happen, just let them show up.

01:35:50.000 I think what they really should do, they really should do, is just find out what you fucking actually weigh and just stop this nonsense.

01:35:57.000 It should be looked at the same way steroids are looked at.

01:36:00.000 It should be looked at the same way all other kind of cheating is looked at.

01:36:04.000 It's sanctioned cheating.

01:36:05.000 You're not really 155 pounds.

01:36:07.000 I agree with you.

01:36:08.000 Just whatever you weigh, just Exactly.

01:36:11.000 And more options for weight classes.

01:36:13.000 Do you think same-day weigh-ins would change it?

01:36:15.000 But it would get more guys hurt.

01:36:17.000 I mean, they say that because of the dehydration and stuff.

01:36:19.000 This is the reason why McClellan...

01:36:21.000 One of the things they say about head injuries and death in boxing, the vast majority of them don't take place at heavyweight.

01:36:29.000 So the guys who hit the hardest are not the guys who are getting these horrible brain injuries where they get dead inside the ring.

01:36:37.000 Makes sense, because they're not cutting weight.

01:36:38.000 They're not cutting weight.

01:36:39.000 And the guys who die a lot, like the Duck Koo Kims.

01:36:41.000 If you look at the guys who die, a lot of them are cutting.

01:36:44.000 Boom Boom was never the same after that.

01:36:45.000 How could you be?

01:36:46.000 You killed a guy.

01:36:47.000 A lot of those guys that are dying are dying in the weight classes where they cut a lot of weight.

01:36:51.000 Well, I mean, you're right.

01:36:52.000 So like Sean Brady and Gilbert Burns over the weekend.

01:36:56.000 There ain't no way Sean Brady's 174. That's what I'm saying.

01:36:59.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:37:00.000 Just let them fight at 190, right?

01:37:04.000 These guys are 190 pounders.

01:37:06.000 They walk into the cage at 190. They should just be fighting at 190. They should be fighting at 190, and this way they both agree to it.

01:37:14.000 You can't get any heavier than 194. Whatever.

01:37:18.000 But we know what you weigh.

01:37:19.000 Let's just make a fight.

01:37:21.000 Yeah, fuck all this weight cutting.

01:37:22.000 It's just cheating.

01:37:24.000 And also, the fucking drama of seeing if a guy dehydrated himself enough 24 hours before a cage fight is somehow or another interesting to people where Daniel Cormier is pushing down on that towel.

01:37:35.000 Remember that shit?

01:37:36.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:37:37.000 Remember DC? Uh-huh.

01:37:39.000 That's right.

01:37:39.000 And ain't cheating if you don't get caught.

01:37:41.000 It's ridiculous.

01:37:42.000 Jon Jones and Daniel Cormier were both fucking killers.

01:37:45.000 Let them eat.

01:37:46.000 Yeah, let them eat.

01:37:47.000 Let them hydrate themselves.

01:37:48.000 Fuck all this weighing in.

01:37:49.000 You know what you weigh?

01:37:50.000 Figure out what you weigh when you make the contract.

01:37:52.000 Yeah, and then just leave it alone.

01:37:54.000 That's what it is, for sure.

01:37:55.000 That's your way, and be loose about it.

01:37:57.000 If a guy's a pound over, a pound under, who gives a fuck?

01:38:00.000 But don't dehydrate yourself.

01:38:02.000 But how about what they did to Mikey Musumichi?

01:38:05.000 Oh, right, right, right.

01:38:06.000 He got fucked on his situation.

01:38:08.000 Well, I mean, he was going up in weight to fight Cade Rotolo, so he went up to 170, and then like...

01:38:14.000 A couple days, like a week before, they're like, no, you got to go back down to 135. Cabo Cholo's out.

01:38:19.000 And he's the champion, and they treated him like this.

01:38:21.000 And they're like, you got to go back down and cut 30 pounds.

01:38:24.000 He gets sick cutting 30 pounds.

01:38:26.000 Well, he almost died.

01:38:27.000 They almost died.

01:38:29.000 And then they took his belt.

01:38:31.000 That's fucked up.

01:38:32.000 Wait a minute, they took his belt?

01:38:33.000 Yes, they took his belt for missing weight.

01:38:35.000 For missing weight.

01:38:36.000 Wait a minute, really?

01:38:37.000 Yes, that's what I'm saying.

01:38:39.000 One totally fucked him.

01:38:41.000 I didn't hear that.

01:38:43.000 Yes, they took his belt.

01:38:44.000 I saw an article about it.

01:38:46.000 How can you take his belt when he's in the hospital for trying to do you a favor?

01:38:48.000 Exactly.

01:38:49.000 Yes, my point exactly.

01:38:50.000 I was shocked, because that's really not what they're supposed to be about.

01:38:53.000 How are you going to make this fucking guy fight after he had a statement?

01:38:58.000 After he's cutting 30 pounds.

01:39:00.000 How are you making him do that?

01:39:01.000 He's cutting 30 pounds in three days.

01:39:03.000 What's their statement?

01:39:05.000 One speaks out.

01:39:07.000 Okay, what do they say?

01:39:07.000 After recent events, we feel it is necessary to provide additional context on Mikey Musumechi's withdrawal from the 168 Denver card.

01:39:15.000 Sityotong and Musumechi said of Musumechi.

01:39:18.000 Mikey was obviously put in a difficult spot when Cade Rotolo withdrew due to injury.

01:39:22.000 When that happened, We worked closely with him and his team on a new opponent.

01:39:26.000 Competing at flyweight was something that he personally requested as he felt confident that he could make the hydrated limit of 135 pounds for a world title defense.

01:39:35.000 This is not something we pushed to him to do on short notice or would have ever demanded of a one athlete given how much we prioritize fighter safety.

01:39:45.000 After Mikey failed weight and hydration tests on Thursday, he requested an opponent submission grappling contest against Burberto Oliveira, and we continue to work with him to try to keep him on the card.

01:39:57.000 Sidiol Tong continued on Musumechi.

01:40:00.000 He ultimately felt it was his best interest to withdraw from the contest, and we are honoring that.

01:40:05.000 This writing is uncertain when Musumechi will return to one, or who will compete for the now vacant belt.

01:40:13.000 Musumechi was diagnosed with pneumo...

01:40:17.000 Pneumostinum?

01:40:19.000 Pneumostinum.

01:40:20.000 Pneumostinum.

01:40:22.000 Pneumomedia Stenum.

01:40:23.000 A rare condition which air leaks from a part of the lung.

01:40:27.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:40:28.000 Wow.

01:40:29.000 How do you fucking strip a guy when he winds up in the hospital?

01:40:34.000 Like, he didn't fight.

01:40:35.000 Right, exactly.

01:40:36.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:40:37.000 Like, imagine if Alex is fighting Khalil Roundtree and in making weight, he winds up in the hospital and the fight's canceled.

01:40:43.000 He doesn't lose his belt.

01:40:45.000 Well, in this organization, it does.

01:40:46.000 That's crazy.

01:40:47.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:40:48.000 That's crazy.

01:40:52.000 It's nonsense.

01:40:54.000 It's terrible.

01:40:55.000 They're always gonna fucking do it, though.

01:40:57.000 Yeah, but you know what, man?

01:40:59.000 I think it's a part of the culture that can be eradicated.

01:41:02.000 I don't think it's impossible to eradicate it.

01:41:03.000 That's like saying, oh, they can always do steroids.

01:41:05.000 Well, USADA came along and they fixed that.

01:41:07.000 Right.

01:41:08.000 You know, and now drug-free sport.

01:41:10.000 They fixed it.

01:41:11.000 It's like most of these athletes are pretty clean.

01:41:13.000 There might be a few instances of questionable behavior.

01:41:16.000 Perhaps a trip to a foreign land is difficult to get to.

01:41:21.000 But you're right, for the most part it is.

01:41:22.000 For the most part.

01:41:23.000 Because we've seen deteriorations of performance because guys have had to clean up.

01:41:27.000 The Uber Eam era was the best era.

01:41:30.000 It was an IQ test.

01:41:33.000 I was just looking at pictures of him today versus Uber Eam and it's pretty crazy because he's lost a ton of weight.

01:41:39.000 Oh, how he looks now?

01:41:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:41:41.000 Now he's on a vegan diet and he's all spiritual.

01:41:44.000 Really?

01:41:45.000 Yeah, Alistair's real thin now.

01:41:47.000 What is he?

01:41:47.000 He's maybe, what, 200 pounds?

01:41:49.000 Yeah, he's thinner than he was when he was fighting.

01:41:52.000 That's a weird picture.

01:41:53.000 It's hard to tell from that picture.

01:41:54.000 That's the best one I could find.

01:41:55.000 He looked bigger than the other ones.

01:41:56.000 Well, I mean, he's still a big fucking guy.

01:41:58.000 They have, like, side-by-sides of him then and now.

01:42:01.000 It's hard to tell in that picture.

01:42:03.000 He's always going to be a big guy.

01:42:05.000 You know, he's a massive man.

01:42:06.000 But, you know, when he fought Brock Lesnar, he was just a freak of science.

01:42:11.000 Yeah.

01:42:11.000 He was the freakiest of all freaks.

01:42:13.000 If you just let that dude juice it up like that, that guy back in the day, ooh, he was the most dangerous.

01:42:19.000 Because those kickboxing skills were top notch.

01:42:22.000 Or how about Vitor when he was on?

01:42:24.000 Ooh!

01:42:25.000 Baby.

01:42:25.000 Yeah, right?

01:42:26.000 Baby.

01:42:27.000 Traps up to his ears.

01:42:28.000 I know.

01:42:28.000 He had them turtle shells, boy.

01:42:29.000 I feel like USADA robbed us of the real Uber-eam.

01:42:33.000 Like if Uber-eam could have stayed Uber.

01:42:35.000 Yeah.

01:42:35.000 Could have stayed Uber and just continued at 265. Ooh, baby, baby, baby.

01:42:41.000 He'd still be champ.

01:42:42.000 He might be, man.

01:42:44.000 Bro, them kickboxing skills.

01:42:45.000 His kickboxing skills were super legit.

01:42:47.000 I think I was a K-1 Grand Prix champion.

01:42:50.000 Super legit kickboxing skills.

01:42:52.000 And he wasn't a bad grappler, neither.

01:42:54.000 He had a good guillotine.

01:42:54.000 He was a good grappler.

01:42:55.000 He won the Abu Dhabi trials in Europe.

01:42:57.000 Yeah.

01:42:58.000 No, he's legit.

01:42:59.000 And, man, that fucking kickboxing, though.

01:43:05.000 It's funny how you look back on those days, especially the juicy days, and you wonder, like...

01:43:14.000 What would the world look like now if we were under the same sort of protocols they were under then?

01:43:19.000 If there was no real...

01:43:20.000 Forget about the TRT days, because everybody lost their fucking mind.

01:43:23.000 That was crazy.

01:43:23.000 You're allowing guys to juice up.

01:43:25.000 That was crazy.

01:43:26.000 But when there was just tests at the weigh-ins, that was a different thing, man.

01:43:31.000 Yeah.

01:43:32.000 That's a different thing, just testing at the weigh-ins.

01:43:35.000 Yeah.

01:43:35.000 No randoms?

01:43:36.000 Right.

01:43:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:43:37.000 That's for sure.

01:43:39.000 IVs are fine?

01:43:40.000 Oh, they are?

01:43:41.000 I don't know.

01:43:42.000 That's the old days, man.

01:43:44.000 That is true.

01:43:45.000 It is rough to get hydrated back up, though.

01:43:47.000 What was the explanation for that?

01:43:51.000 Masking.

01:43:51.000 People could use it to mask.

01:43:54.000 Yeah, apparently there's some ways that you can mask.

01:43:56.000 You just over flood your system with fluids and it cleans out all the traces of whatever metabolites would be in there.

01:44:02.000 I guess there's probably a window where it would get back in your urine.

01:44:06.000 It's hard to get hydrated back up, man.

01:44:08.000 Yeah, that was kind of my point, because it kind of takes away from safety, but I guess...

01:44:12.000 Bro, they shouldn't be doing that.

01:44:13.000 They shouldn't be dehydrating themselves 24 hours before a cage fight.

01:44:15.000 Yeah, that's the point, right?

01:44:16.000 Like, if you have to have that...

01:44:17.000 But they are.

01:44:18.000 I know, but it seems like, you know, I actually said this to the guys that bought the UFC when I was talking to Ari about it.

01:44:25.000 I was like, dude, that's the first thing you should do.

01:44:27.000 Figure out a way to get rid of the weight glasses.

01:44:29.000 As they are, like whoever is a champion in that, keep them as a champion.

01:44:32.000 Let them defend the belt at what they actually weigh.

01:44:36.000 Weight cuttings, the thing that's going to fuck us more than anything is if somebody gets really badly hurt because they had a really bad weight cut.

01:44:43.000 You know guys have kidney failures, guys have died.

01:44:46.000 You lose all the water around your brain and you're taking trauma?

01:44:49.000 How many weight limit, I mean weight classes, you think?

01:44:52.000 More weight classes.

01:44:53.000 You need a weight class, I think you need one every 10 pounds.

01:44:55.000 But I think we should be a little bit looser on what a person weighs.

01:45:00.000 I think you should make a contractual obligation to fight each other.

01:45:05.000 You find out what a person weighs.

01:45:07.000 His natural weight is 175. Do you want to fight him?

01:45:11.000 Your natural weight is 169. You're agreed that you can't get any higher than 176. Are you cool with that?

01:45:16.000 Yeah, okay.

01:45:17.000 I'm cool with that.

01:45:18.000 That's like total, you don't have to think at all about cutting weight.

01:45:21.000 At all.

01:45:22.000 And so the day before the fight, instead of almost dying, you're filling yourself up with carbs and nutrients, you're relaxing, you're gonna have a better performance.

01:45:31.000 It's better for the sport, it's better for the health of the athletes, it's more representation of what a real 155 pound guy looks like, because you see those guys when they get in there and they're 180, like Drickus, That is not a 185 pound man.

01:45:44.000 He's fucking massive.

01:45:45.000 Maybe they need to weigh in the day they're signing the contract to see where both of them are.

01:45:50.000 That way no shenanigans is going on either.

01:45:52.000 They need to hydrate you too.

01:45:54.000 Dudes will fuck around with that.

01:45:56.000 So if we have a hydration thing, like say, if you're going to compete, you need to be in shape in your fighting weight, and then we're going to weigh you in.

01:46:07.000 And we're going to check your water levels, we're going to check your hydration.

01:46:10.000 Okay, this is what you actually weigh.

01:46:11.000 You weigh 182 pounds in your prime, ready to go, okay?

01:46:16.000 So this is what you guys are contractually obligated to stay in this range.

01:46:20.000 So you can't get any higher than 183 or 184. You give them like a two pound, I have to take a shit.

01:46:25.000 No one's going to be saying their real weight to begin with.

01:46:29.000 But they won't be able to stop them if they fucking hydrate test them.

01:46:32.000 So if they show up, you say to a guy, like, look, we're going to show up, we're going to test you at the weight that you're going to fight at.

01:46:40.000 So, you can't get any higher than this, and we're gonna make sure that you're not dehydrated.

01:46:44.000 So we're gonna check you to make sure that you're not fucking around, like, pretending that you're 182 pounds, you're really 200, and you dehydrated yourself for the last four hours.

01:46:54.000 Let's find out what you really weigh.

01:46:55.000 What they do in Maryland for high school wrestling, before the season, the kids have to get the electric body composition, and it sees what they weigh, it sees where their body fat percentage is, and it says you can't go no lower than this.

01:47:11.000 So they basically dictate to them.

01:47:12.000 They should do a little bit more.

01:47:14.000 They should do blood.

01:47:15.000 They should do blood hydration levels.

01:47:17.000 They should check your urine.

01:47:18.000 I think that would cost a lot for the UFC to do it.

01:47:22.000 I'm not saying schools.

01:47:25.000 What the school system is doing is great.

01:47:26.000 I mean, for the UFC. They just need to be sure.

01:47:30.000 Don't let anybody fuck around like, hey, you showed up at 196, you still want to take the fight?

01:47:34.000 Like, what the fuck?

01:47:34.000 It's 182. What are we doing?

01:47:36.000 Why is it 196?

01:47:37.000 The problem is the UFC has the ability to do this.

01:47:41.000 No other organization would have the ability to do this.

01:47:43.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:47:44.000 That's the problem.

01:47:45.000 The UFC obviously could do it at the PI. Every year, this is what we do.

01:47:50.000 But no other regional-level organizations would be able to do it, so it would be a little tougher.

01:47:54.000 I heard, doesn't California do some kind, like Andy Foster, do some kind of hydration testing there for athletes?

01:48:00.000 I think he has a limit on how much you can gain.

01:48:03.000 I think he has a percentage.

01:48:04.000 Yeah.

01:48:05.000 North Carolina does that too.

01:48:07.000 They have a limit.

01:48:07.000 But then you're just making sure the guy's dehydrated because guys are knuckleheads.

01:48:10.000 They're going to dehydrate themselves anyway to have that size advantage.

01:48:13.000 Especially a guy like McClellan who thinks he's going to take you out in the first round anyway.

01:48:16.000 And they're size bullies.

01:48:18.000 Yeah.

01:48:19.000 You should find out what you fucking really weigh and fight what you really weigh at.

01:48:22.000 It shouldn't be the ultimate weight cutting championship.

01:48:24.000 Better Better for your chin not to be dehydrated.

01:48:26.000 Better for everything.

01:48:27.000 Better for the longevity, better for the health of your physical body that is literally your weapon of war.

01:48:32.000 Performance, for sure.

01:48:32.000 Yes, for everything.

01:48:33.000 Recovery, performance, better fights.

01:48:36.000 I like the PI. That's a good...

01:48:40.000 Yeah.

01:48:40.000 The PI can do it.

01:48:42.000 Look, it can be done because if it wasn't and then all of a sudden people started doing it, it would be something people would call out.

01:48:47.000 If nobody ever cut weight and then all of a sudden everybody started cutting weight, everybody would go, what the fuck is this shit?

01:48:51.000 You're not 170 pounds.

01:48:53.000 This is a lie!

01:48:54.000 How are you the 170-pound champion when you weigh 200 pounds?

01:48:58.000 That's crazy.

01:48:59.000 My wife hates that.

01:49:00.000 That's her biggest peeve with MMA is weight cutting.

01:49:02.000 She's like, that's not even fair.

01:49:04.000 Well, it is fair because you're both doing it, but it's not right.

01:49:07.000 It's stupid.

01:49:09.000 It's bad for everybody.

01:49:11.000 155 was brutal for me to make.

01:49:14.000 But 165?

01:49:15.000 That would have been great for me.

01:49:16.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:49:17.000 170, I was small for 170. So all you need is 10 pounds.

01:49:21.000 Every 10 pounds.

01:49:22.000 We go 170, goes to 175, 85, 95, 205, maybe 225. That's what I say.

01:49:29.000 And then it's super heavy.

01:49:30.000 And then as big as the fucking guy is.

01:49:31.000 That's right.

01:49:32.000 Because I don't like this 265 bullshit either.

01:49:35.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:49:35.000 I agree.

01:49:35.000 When was the last time you weighed 265?

01:49:37.000 I mean, actually right now.

01:49:41.000 But when you were, how big were you?

01:49:44.000 305. Damn!

01:49:46.000 So you'd have to lose a fuckload of weight.

01:49:49.000 You'd have to lose 40 fucking pounds.

01:49:51.000 That's crazy.

01:49:53.000 Yeah, no, that shouldn't happen.

01:49:54.000 That's crazy.

01:49:54.000 That's so hard to do.

01:49:55.000 When you've got a guy like Ngannou that has a natural 265, which is nuts, he falls right there, like right in the hot zone, like a natural shredded 265. But that's what he really weighs.

01:50:09.000 That's his actual weight.

01:50:12.000 He's not cutting weight.

01:50:13.000 That's his actual weight.

01:50:14.000 What's the weight?

01:50:15.000 Do they have the same shit in Bellator or PFL? I don't think they have a super heavyweight.

01:50:21.000 I don't think anybody has an active super heavyweight division in MMA that I'm aware of.

01:50:25.000 No big organization.

01:50:26.000 I don't think PFL has it.

01:50:28.000 Japan, really, was the only place to put on the crazy freak shows.

01:50:32.000 They were loving the steroids.

01:50:34.000 Let a 180-pound guy fight a gorilla.

01:50:38.000 Fuck!

01:50:38.000 They had Gabby Garcia fight housewives.

01:50:41.000 Get in there, lady.

01:50:44.000 Genki Sudo took on all kinds of giants.

01:50:47.000 Didn't he take on Butterbean?

01:50:49.000 Yeah, Genki Sudo fought Butterbean.

01:50:50.000 And beat him!

01:50:52.000 Yeah, he leg locked him.

01:50:53.000 Bro, Butterbean could crack.

01:50:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:56.000 Remember that time we had a boxing match against some football player?

01:51:00.000 Somebody let some poor football player have a boxing match with Butterbean.

01:51:04.000 It might have been a celebrity boxing match, and Butterbean knocked him into another dimension.

01:51:09.000 He's a tough man.

01:51:10.000 Bro, he could punch.

01:51:11.000 What do they used to call him?

01:51:12.000 The king of the four-rounders?

01:51:14.000 Because he's so big, he ain't going to distance.

01:51:16.000 450 fucking pounds!

01:51:17.000 He could barbecue all day.

01:51:19.000 So he could go out there and windmill people.

01:51:21.000 What a goddamn nightmare that guy was.

01:51:23.000 You couldn't hit anything on him.

01:51:26.000 He was doing horribly for a while.

01:51:28.000 He's like, he had 150 sweaters on.

01:51:30.000 You're not going to hurt him.

01:51:32.000 Like 150 sweaters.

01:51:35.000 And that other guy looks natural.

01:51:38.000 I like that.

01:51:39.000 This has got to be Japan.

01:51:41.000 Who is that other guy?

01:51:42.000 Who is he fighting there, Jamie?

01:51:44.000 He's like kicking this guy.

01:51:46.000 Royster?

01:51:47.000 Oh, so this is a kickboxing match, which is nuts.

01:51:50.000 When I was at my heaviest, that kind of looked like that.

01:51:52.000 Is this a football player that he's fighting?

01:51:53.000 I have no idea.

01:51:54.000 I just typed that in.

01:51:56.000 Oh, well, it might have been.

01:51:57.000 It might be a football player who trained MMA. Marcus Royster.

01:52:01.000 Oh, nice knee to the body.

01:52:02.000 He's big enough.

01:52:04.000 See if you can find there was a boxing match that he had against some football player dude.

01:52:10.000 Dude, poor Butterbean.

01:52:11.000 That guy was...

01:52:12.000 Couldn't walk, couldn't anything.

01:52:14.000 But now he's fucked up?

01:52:15.000 Oh, celebrity boxing, that's probably it.

01:52:18.000 Yeah, he's messed up.

01:52:19.000 Diamond Dallas Page really did another rehab on him.

01:52:23.000 Another one of those things on him?

01:52:23.000 He brought him back, man.

01:52:24.000 Really?

01:52:25.000 Shout out to DDP, he's such a positive guy.

01:52:28.000 Yeah, Dallas is the shit.

01:52:28.000 Put him up in the house, feeding him all that, you know?

01:52:31.000 He's feeding Butterbean?

01:52:32.000 He's such a good person.

01:52:33.000 Dude, it's something to see.

01:52:35.000 He really brought him back.

01:52:36.000 Butterbean couldn't even walk.

01:52:37.000 Butterbean vs.

01:52:38.000 Big Roy fighter.

01:52:39.000 That's the dude.

01:52:39.000 I guess that's what we just watched.

01:52:41.000 Big roid fighter.

01:52:42.000 That's what it says.

01:52:45.000 This poor dude.

01:52:46.000 This poor dude got shot into another dimension.

01:52:49.000 Oh, he looks like he's about to go out.

01:52:50.000 He looks like he's getting shot into another dimension.

01:52:52.000 Deserves it for that fucking stash.

01:52:53.000 This is one of them guys that, you know, somebody should have told them.

01:52:57.000 Like, this is a bad idea.

01:53:00.000 Eventually this fucking crazy looking dude is going to catch you.

01:53:04.000 We're on one of these meat bombs.

01:53:05.000 He's going to hit you right in your porn stash, right?

01:53:09.000 There's a thing about winning with a porn stash, you know, but you get KO'd with a porn stash on.

01:53:14.000 It's not a good look.

01:53:15.000 People, they don't feel sympathetic to you.

01:53:16.000 They should.

01:53:17.000 You stupid ass with that mustache.

01:53:19.000 See if you can find out where this ends.

01:53:21.000 Yeah, Butterbean.

01:53:22.000 Right.

01:53:23.000 Ooh.

01:53:24.000 Come on, this is a highlight.

01:53:26.000 This is a clickbait on us.

01:53:28.000 There you go, end around three.

01:53:30.000 Oh, so does he stop him here?

01:53:32.000 Maybe it's a different guy.

01:53:33.000 Is this the one that goes the distance?

01:53:35.000 This might be the wrong one.

01:53:36.000 The guy that I saw him...

01:53:38.000 Oh!

01:53:39.000 Oh, there it is.

01:53:40.000 Oh, man.

01:53:41.000 That was pretty good.

01:53:42.000 Yeah.

01:53:43.000 He can punch, dude.

01:53:44.000 He can punch.

01:53:46.000 It was just crazy to watch a guy who was only willing to fight four rounds.

01:53:49.000 King of the four-rounders.

01:53:51.000 It was awesome.

01:53:52.000 He's used to that tough man shit, man.

01:53:54.000 I fought in that when I was 18. There's a place for everything, right?

01:53:58.000 Like the bare knuckle thing.

01:53:59.000 We were talking about Mike Perry before we started doing this.

01:54:03.000 That's the perfect spot for that dude.

01:54:05.000 He should have told Jake Paul, listen, we need to fight, but let's do bare knuckle, pussy.

01:54:09.000 Let's go.

01:54:10.000 Or I'll do this, you do that.

01:54:12.000 It's a different thing, man.

01:54:13.000 It's a different thing with that guy.

01:54:15.000 Well, it's like Matt always says, play to your strengths.

01:54:17.000 Yeah.

01:54:18.000 But you know, you gotta take that payday.

01:54:19.000 I mean, what did he make out of that fight?

01:54:21.000 He probably made 10 million bucks or something.

01:54:22.000 Yeah.

01:54:22.000 And Jay Paul's very smart, man.

01:54:24.000 Like, he gets guys that he's bigger than.

01:54:26.000 Bigger than.

01:54:27.000 The only time he fought another boxer his size was Tom Fury and he lost.

01:54:31.000 Tom Fury?

01:54:32.000 Good fight.

01:54:32.000 Tommy Fury.

01:54:33.000 Very good fight.

01:54:34.000 Very good fight.

01:54:35.000 You know, I think he's like any other young up-and-coming boxer.

01:54:39.000 It's just everybody dismisses him because he's a YouTuber.

01:54:41.000 For sure.

01:54:41.000 It's easy to dismiss him, but I was there when he knocked out Tyron, and I was like, man, I'm done with this kid.

01:54:48.000 I never wanted to corner another fight in my life, man.

01:54:53.000 I was like, yo, he just knocked my boy flat out on his face, man.

01:54:56.000 I was heartbroken.

01:54:58.000 Bro, he has power.

01:54:59.000 He has real power.

01:54:59.000 And that's why, like, everybody's talking about this Mike Tyson thing.

01:55:02.000 I was like, man, they should not be letting this thing happen.

01:55:04.000 I really hope he doesn't knock Mike Tyson out.

01:55:07.000 To me...

01:55:08.000 I'll just be real bummed out to see Mike get KO'd at 58 years old.

01:55:12.000 At 60, basically.

01:55:12.000 What other sport would we let a 58-year-old man compete other than golf?

01:55:17.000 Right.

01:55:17.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:55:18.000 Like, why are we letting this happen?

01:55:19.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:55:20.000 Yeah, but he's made for it, man.

01:55:22.000 Like, he's made for it.

01:55:23.000 Mike is?

01:55:23.000 Yeah, I mean, it's what he is.

01:55:25.000 Listen, he's perfectly capable of knocking him out.

01:55:27.000 He is perfectly capable.

01:55:29.000 If he zigs when he should have zagged, if Mike can close the distance in a way that he doesn't expect, and Mike also has layers upon layers of attacks that are in his mind, he's forgotten more about boxing than Jake Paul has ever remembered.

01:55:45.000 Yeah.

01:55:45.000 It's just how quickly can it happen, because how much gas is a guy like that going to have?

01:55:50.000 Also, how does he feel now?

01:55:51.000 He might have been excited when he said he wanted to do it, but how does he feel now?

01:55:55.000 You've got months and months and months of this.

01:55:56.000 I just want to see something other than his mitts.

01:55:59.000 Does he dismiss?

01:56:00.000 Does he wish he didn't say yes to it?

01:56:03.000 How's his health?

01:56:04.000 How's his back?

01:56:05.000 How's his knees?

01:56:05.000 He seems to be having fun when he's promoting it.

01:56:08.000 It's probably on mushrooms, bro.

01:56:12.000 And it's also risk-versus-reward.

01:56:14.000 Like, if he loses, he's also almost 60. If he wins, fuck, man.

01:56:18.000 That's another great...

01:56:19.000 Imagine he knocks him out.

01:56:21.000 He's a monster.

01:56:23.000 Look, at the end of the day, Mike Tyson's a monster.

01:56:25.000 And if he can get that monster to just move in and close the distance, and if he uncorks a boom-boom on Jake Paul and watch Jake Paul go into Queer Street, that will be wild.

01:56:34.000 To watch a 58-year-old Mike Tyson, that would be best-case scenario for the world.

01:56:39.000 I agree.

01:56:40.000 For sure.

01:56:41.000 Worst case scenario is someone gets hurt.

01:56:43.000 Yeah, best case scenario for the world is that he knocks Jake Paul out.

01:56:46.000 Yeah, best case scenario is Jake Paul realizes immediately he's in there with Mike Tyson.

01:56:51.000 That Mike Tyson, at least for a round or two...

01:56:53.000 First time he gets cracked, I guarantee his head's gonna be like, oh shit.

01:56:57.000 It's gonna be interesting to see what happens.

01:56:59.000 How many rounds is it?

01:57:00.000 I think it's eight.

01:57:01.000 Eight two-minute rounds.

01:57:02.000 That are two minutes?

01:57:03.000 Yeah, I think they're doing two-minute rounds.

01:57:04.000 Do they have 10-ounce gloves or 12-ounce gloves, Jamie?

01:57:08.000 It's not better than two-minute rounds.

01:57:09.000 I think they're making them have slightly bigger gloves.

01:57:12.000 14 ounces.

01:57:14.000 That's so sparring gloves.

01:57:15.000 And it's not sanctioned, right?

01:57:17.000 It can't be sanctioned.

01:57:18.000 It's sanctioned.

01:57:18.000 It's sanctioned?

01:57:19.000 How do you sanction that?

01:57:21.000 Texas.

01:57:22.000 Yeehaw.

01:57:24.000 Same place you can own a giraffe.

01:57:26.000 My wife was driving home one day, she saw a zebra.

01:57:29.000 Same place has more tiders than anybody.

01:57:31.000 She goes, there's a zebra loose.

01:57:32.000 I go, welcome to Texas, baby.

01:57:34.000 A zebra?

01:57:34.000 Yeah, you can have a zebra here.

01:57:36.000 Some dude's zebra got out.

01:57:38.000 They got a few tigers here, right?

01:57:41.000 You can't smoke a joint.

01:57:42.000 There's more tigers in captivity in Texas in private collections than in all of the wild of Earth.

01:57:48.000 How is that true?

01:57:49.000 Yes, that's true.

01:57:50.000 You only hear about tigers getting loose in people's yards here, do you?

01:57:53.000 Because they fence them in, bro.

01:57:56.000 That's it?

01:57:57.000 So how big are these tigers?

01:57:58.000 They're tiger tigers.

01:57:59.000 Real tigers.

01:58:01.000 There's thousands of tigers in private collections in Texas.

01:58:06.000 Really?

01:58:06.000 Bro, this is a crazy place.

01:58:08.000 It's a crazy place.

01:58:10.000 It's so tight with the weed.

01:58:11.000 Yeah, they gotta bail on that.

01:58:15.000 They're also tight with fentanyl tests, which is even crazier.

01:58:17.000 Escape tiger that had Texas communities on edge finally caught.

01:58:20.000 Oh yeah, that was around Houston.

01:58:22.000 Bengal tiger was on loose for nearly a week.

01:58:26.000 What was it eating?

01:58:29.000 That's Houston.

01:58:31.000 See, you got all that oil money down there in Houston, and that's where dudes have their own tigers.

01:58:35.000 That's what I like about New York.

01:58:36.000 You just got to worry about some raccoons and shit.

01:58:38.000 There's a guy in New York that had a fucking tiger in his house in Harlem.

01:58:42.000 What?

01:58:42.000 Yeah, there's a photograph, a famous photograph of these cops.

01:58:45.000 See if you find that photo, Jamie.

01:58:46.000 The cops are looking through the...

01:58:48.000 Right there.

01:58:49.000 Looking through the window.

01:58:51.000 This guy had a tiger in his fucking apartment.

01:58:53.000 Oh my God.

01:58:54.000 Look at that.

01:58:55.000 Bro, how insane is that photo?

01:58:57.000 Was the guy in there or was he eating?

01:58:59.000 I don't think the guy got killed.

01:59:01.000 I think they just found out the guy had a tiger in there and they had to go in and dart him.

01:59:05.000 And then they had to drag him out of there and take him to the zoo.

01:59:08.000 Yeah, the dude had a 450 pound cat in his fucking apartment.

01:59:12.000 How do you clean up after that?

01:59:14.000 Not well.

01:59:14.000 Get a big litter box.

01:59:15.000 First of all, that thing's going to piss everywhere.

01:59:17.000 I know.

01:59:18.000 They marked their territory by pissing on things.

01:59:20.000 Think of the smell that would happen.

01:59:22.000 I can't even.

01:59:23.000 That guy was just tigered out.

01:59:25.000 He was all in.

01:59:26.000 Regular cat urine's bad enough.

01:59:28.000 I know.

01:59:29.000 Imagine a tiger.

01:59:29.000 Tiger's just pissing on your walls.

01:59:31.000 What are you going to do?

01:59:32.000 Tell it don't do that?

01:59:33.000 Stop that!

01:59:34.000 You going to hit it with a fucking newspaper?

01:59:37.000 I'm going to eat your arm.

01:59:38.000 What happened to the Tiger King?

01:59:39.000 Is he in jail still that day?

01:59:41.000 Yep, still in jail.

01:59:41.000 I had the people who did the documentary on yesterday.

01:59:44.000 That thing was crazy, though, with that kid killing himself by accident.

01:59:46.000 Crazy.

01:59:47.000 First of all, you don't find more white trash than that.

01:59:52.000 You need to watch Chimp Crazy.

01:59:54.000 Chimp Crazy, they take it to the next level.

01:59:56.000 Oh yeah, I'm not watching that.

01:59:57.000 I am going to watch that.

01:59:58.000 Bro, it's nuts.

01:59:59.000 It's nuts.

02:00:01.000 It's fucking nutty, man.

02:00:03.000 Whew.

02:00:03.000 The people's desire to have these things that could kill them.

02:00:06.000 It's so strange.

02:00:07.000 I'll just watch the new Planet of the Apes movie.

02:00:10.000 That came out.

02:00:11.000 Is that supposed to be good?

02:00:12.000 Those aren't bad, though.

02:00:14.000 From what I've seen, those aren't bad.

02:00:15.000 How's that alien movie?

02:00:16.000 Did you see that?

02:00:17.000 The new one?

02:00:18.000 No.

02:00:18.000 I heard it's good.

02:00:19.000 Really?

02:00:19.000 Yeah, I heard it's real good.

02:00:21.000 I heard it's scary as fuck.

02:00:22.000 I heard it goes back to the first Alien, where they're hard to find and scary.

02:00:27.000 After a while, they were everywhere, and you just shoot them.

02:00:29.000 The first one, you couldn't even find that fucker.

02:00:32.000 He was sneaking around.

02:00:34.000 Acid blood.

02:00:35.000 Yeah, he was so scary.

02:00:37.000 Aliens was phenomenal.

02:00:37.000 Aliens was such a great sequel to Alien, because it was a different take on it, and then the Space Marines, and fucking Newt, and fucking Hicks.

02:00:47.000 Hicks was great.

02:00:48.000 Hudson!

02:00:48.000 Was it good?

02:00:49.000 Hudson was fucking great.

02:00:51.000 Bill Paxson?

02:00:51.000 Hell yeah.

02:00:52.000 Game over, man!

02:00:54.000 Game over!

02:00:54.000 But it was a totally different kind of movie, right?

02:00:57.000 So you got Ridley Scott does the first Alien, and you got this suspenseful, terrifying thing, and people start coming up missing, and it's fucking hiding in the ceiling.

02:01:09.000 You're thinking Tom Everett's going to be the hero.

02:01:11.000 Right.

02:01:11.000 And then all of a sudden he gets taken out.

02:01:13.000 You're like, wait, wait, wait.

02:01:13.000 What?

02:01:14.000 Oh, it's going to be Sigourney.

02:01:16.000 She was the first male or female lead of a monster movie, action movie, where you didn't go, oh, they're pushing a woman on me.

02:01:28.000 You believed it.

02:01:29.000 You believed that this lady scientist got stuck in this fucking spaceship with a demon.

02:01:34.000 Oh, this is great.

02:01:35.000 Oh, that movie's so good.

02:01:36.000 Aliens is so good.

02:01:37.000 Aliens is good, but Alien is better.

02:01:40.000 No.

02:01:40.000 Because it's hard to kill.

02:01:42.000 And Aliens, they're shooting them left and right.

02:01:44.000 They're all over the place.

02:01:45.000 The people in Aliens, Alien 1 would have been done in five minutes.

02:01:50.000 Like, oh, there it is.

02:01:52.000 But in this one, they kill so many of them until they get to the mother.

02:01:56.000 And then when the mother doesn't kill her when she's wearing the robot suit, I'm like, shut the fuck up, bitch.

02:02:00.000 But I like when she's like, get away from her, you bitch!

02:02:03.000 In the first one, you really didn't know what was going on.

02:02:06.000 In the second one, they were prepared for what they were coming up against.

02:02:09.000 The thing is, there's too much exposed.

02:02:12.000 I don't buy it.

02:02:14.000 If she's in a robot thing where she's completely encased, okay.

02:02:17.000 But she's just all out there, tissue, exposed.

02:02:21.000 Get away from her, you bitch.

02:02:23.000 This is a giant alien.

02:02:25.000 How is that thing not gonna...

02:02:26.000 It moves way quicker than people.

02:02:28.000 How's that not gonna fuck you up instantaneously with your stupid-ass slow robot?

02:02:32.000 There's so many moments in that, though, that movie, when they barricade themselves in the one room, and they have the monitor, and they're like, they're through the wall!

02:02:45.000 That's inside the room.

02:02:46.000 It can't be inside the room.

02:02:47.000 All of a sudden they look up and you see Hicks.

02:02:50.000 He pushes up the tile and you see them all crawling in the fire.

02:02:54.000 That was fucking money!

02:02:56.000 What a great movie.

02:02:57.000 It's a great movie.

02:02:58.000 It's just a different kind of movie.

02:03:00.000 I was hoping they would have got more into the engineers, like when they did Prometheus, that they would have got into those people, but it wasn't much of the movie.

02:03:10.000 Prometheus was good, but the one after Prometheus was better.

02:03:13.000 What was that one, Jamie?

02:03:14.000 What was the last one?

02:03:15.000 With Kenny McBride in it, right?

02:03:17.000 Yes!

02:03:18.000 Because it ended fucked up.

02:03:21.000 Covenant, yeah.

02:03:22.000 Hey, wasn't Jussie Smoulette in that one, too?

02:03:25.000 He was.

02:03:27.000 He was in that one.

02:03:28.000 This is a good one, though, man.

02:03:29.000 This one's good.

02:03:30.000 Please tell me he died early.

02:03:31.000 No, man, he's in there.

02:03:33.000 He's in the spaceship.

02:03:34.000 He's working the controls.

02:03:36.000 This is a real good one.

02:03:39.000 This one's fucking good.

02:03:40.000 This one's really good.

02:03:43.000 And again, the aliens in this one, they're hard to get a hold of.

02:03:46.000 Is that Michael Fassbender?

02:03:47.000 Yes, yes.

02:03:49.000 So these are the things that it gets in your ear.

02:03:51.000 Little spores get inside you from that egg.

02:03:54.000 It's a good one, man.

02:03:55.000 This is a really good one.

02:03:57.000 And when these dudes start shaking, when it gets them...

02:04:03.000 It's fucking great.

02:04:04.000 That's a good one.

02:04:05.000 Yeah.

02:04:05.000 But I heard the new one is really good, too.

02:04:07.000 I think the new one's Ridley Scott, too, as well, right?

02:04:09.000 And he's doing a new...

02:04:10.000 Is he doing the new Gladiator?

02:04:11.000 Ridley Scott?

02:04:12.000 Did he do the new Gladiator?

02:04:13.000 I don't know.

02:04:13.000 I mean, I know...

02:04:14.000 Oh, yeah.

02:04:15.000 I can't wait for that shit.

02:04:15.000 I know it's coming out.

02:04:16.000 Yeah.

02:04:17.000 I'm on the fence with that.

02:04:18.000 What?

02:04:18.000 The new Gladiator?

02:04:19.000 What?

02:04:19.000 I'm on the fence with it.

02:04:21.000 Why?

02:04:21.000 I don't know, man.

02:04:22.000 How could you be on the fence with it?

02:04:23.000 I don't know.

02:04:23.000 I mean, what do you call it?

02:04:25.000 Looks like he's like, I don't know.

02:04:26.000 Is he talking like New York slang?

02:04:28.000 Denzel and the fucking thing?

02:04:29.000 No, man.

02:04:30.000 Oh, did people said something about his accent, right?

02:04:32.000 What is the accent that people have an issue with?

02:04:35.000 That's what I think.

02:04:35.000 Can we hear Denzel?

02:04:36.000 Let's hear his accent.

02:04:38.000 Where were you born?

02:04:40.000 I don't know.

02:04:41.000 I never knew a mother nor a father.

02:04:44.000 You will be my instrument.

02:04:46.000 Who are you?

02:04:49.000 Denzel, be it!

02:04:50.000 You sound like a regular dude.

02:04:51.000 They want him to have a British accent?

02:04:53.000 They always want people, when they're speaking another language, they always want them to have a British accent.

02:04:58.000 It doesn't matter where it is.

02:05:00.000 It's Rome!

02:05:01.000 Isn't that weird?

02:05:03.000 Everyone talks in a different way.

02:05:05.000 Yeah, it's weird.

02:05:07.000 It is kind of weird.

02:05:08.000 This is in India.

02:05:09.000 I mean, you know what I'm saying?

02:05:10.000 No matter where it is.

02:05:11.000 They want them to have a British accent.

02:05:12.000 This is in Rome.

02:05:13.000 This is in Italy.

02:05:15.000 Why do they talk like this?

02:05:17.000 But there's something about hearing regular modern English in an old-timey movie, like, nah.

02:05:22.000 Like, you don't buy it now.

02:05:23.000 Yeah, you need an accent.

02:05:25.000 Like Tyrion Lannister.

02:05:27.000 All the people in Game of Thrones, they all had an English accent.

02:05:30.000 Did they speak Latin with an Italian accent back then?

02:05:33.000 That's a good question.

02:05:34.000 I don't think they spoke Latin.

02:05:35.000 I don't think these people were speaking Latin.

02:05:38.000 Were they?

02:05:39.000 In Rome?

02:05:39.000 Yeah.

02:05:39.000 They may have been.

02:05:40.000 Were they speaking Italian or were they speaking Latin?

02:05:42.000 They would have been speaking Latin back then.

02:05:44.000 Okay, but here's the question, the reason why I ask this.

02:05:46.000 When Martin Luther was translating the Bible in the 1500s or the 1400s, whenever that was, the reason why the Bible was the priests would be the only one that could tell you the Word of God, because they're the only one who could read Latin.

02:06:00.000 So no one spoke Latin.

02:06:01.000 No one read Latin.

02:06:02.000 They couldn't read it.

02:06:03.000 So these people didn't know what was in the Bible until Martin Luther translated it into phonetic languages.

02:06:10.000 I think German and a couple other languages it got eventually translated to.

02:06:14.000 So then people could read the Bible for themselves, whereas before it was just Latin.

02:06:18.000 So when did Latin die off?

02:06:20.000 When did they stop using Latin?

02:06:22.000 Because Latin's a weird one.

02:06:23.000 You learn it in school, but you're never gonna fucking use it.

02:06:26.000 Latin and Greek.

02:06:28.000 They spoke Latin and Greek.

02:06:30.000 Like, when did Latin go?

02:06:32.000 Isn't it crazy?

02:06:32.000 So the Roman Empire, they spoke a language that's dead.

02:06:35.000 It's a dead language.

02:06:37.000 It's just gone now?

02:06:38.000 Gone.

02:06:39.000 476. That's probably when people stopped speaking it, but priests probably still knew because of everything was written.

02:06:44.000 Right.

02:06:44.000 So there it is.

02:06:44.000 After the fall of Rome in 476 AD, Latin began to die out, and distinct local Latin dialects developed.

02:06:50.000 Wow.

02:06:51.000 Wow.

02:06:52.000 So these dialects eventually evolved into modern romance languages like Italian and Spanish, which is crazy!

02:06:57.000 That means those languages are only 500 fucking years old!

02:07:00.000 That's nuts!

02:07:01.000 But if you see a movie about it, it was English with an English accent.

02:07:05.000 Right, of course.

02:07:06.000 But isn't it crazy that those languages, like Italian, is only like 500 years old?

02:07:11.000 Who the fuck would have guessed that?

02:07:13.000 And there's a lot of similarities between Spanish and Italian as well.

02:07:16.000 Oh yeah!

02:07:18.000 Texas is way bigger than all those places, you know, which is nuts.

02:07:22.000 Like Europe, when you look at America, it's basically like Europe, right?

02:07:25.000 But we don't call it different countries.

02:07:27.000 Right.

02:07:28.000 But Kentucky is so much different than Los Angeles, you know?

02:07:31.000 It'd be 1,500 years old, not 500. Oh, that's right.

02:07:35.000 Duh.

02:07:36.000 20. Yeah.

02:07:37.000 And none of us caught that either.

02:07:38.000 How did I not catch it?

02:07:39.000 You're just seeing it.

02:07:40.000 You're seeing it and saying it.

02:07:42.000 Okay.

02:07:42.000 So I'm sorry.

02:07:43.000 1,500 years.

02:07:44.000 Still, languages developing that.

02:07:46.000 You would think they were older than that.

02:07:48.000 Did you guys ever watch, and I watched it more than once, I watched it at least a few times, the series Rome on HBO. Yeah, I have.

02:07:55.000 I think it's only two seasons, but it's really good.

02:08:01.000 They crammed it into two seasons.

02:08:03.000 The budget was super high at the time, and it is a fucking great series.

02:08:09.000 It is very good.

02:08:10.000 Puglio.

02:08:11.000 Oh, they're badass!

02:08:12.000 Yes!

02:08:12.000 Oh my god!

02:08:13.000 What a great show!

02:08:14.000 That guy's real.

02:08:16.000 Such a great show.

02:08:16.000 Who they based it on.

02:08:17.000 They based it on a real dude.

02:08:19.000 It holds up.

02:08:19.000 I never heard anything about it.

02:08:21.000 You should watch this.

02:08:22.000 Is his name Ray Stevenson?

02:08:23.000 I highly recommend it.

02:08:24.000 I think he played the Punisher, too, and all the actors.

02:08:26.000 Ray Stevenson, he was Pulio in this.

02:08:27.000 That's what put him on.

02:08:28.000 And the other guy, Lucius, is phenomenal.

02:08:31.000 I want to say that Lucius...

02:08:33.000 Maybe they based that on a real guy.

02:08:36.000 Listen, it is so great.

02:08:40.000 Even if you go onto YouTube and watch Lucius and Titus just being badass, or Titus Pulio being badass, it's just, oh my god.

02:08:49.000 It was a good series.

02:08:51.000 Such a great series.

02:08:53.000 No shit.

02:08:53.000 I never heard anything about it.

02:08:55.000 That's amazing.

02:08:55.000 Good.

02:08:55.000 I need something new to watch.

02:08:57.000 I just finished the Peaky Blinders.

02:08:59.000 Yeah, you go through this.

02:09:00.000 This is only two seasons, and again, I revisit it a lot.

02:09:02.000 Have you been to Rome?

02:09:04.000 No, no.

02:09:04.000 Me and my wife, she's waiting for my stomach to get better.

02:09:07.000 I go like, we might as well just fucking go and put a cork up my ass, because I'm not going to...

02:09:11.000 Just go.

02:09:12.000 Just go while you can.

02:09:13.000 And I heard you can eat the food over there, and it's not as bad for you.

02:09:16.000 Not neither.

02:09:16.000 Well, we've got some weird shit going on with our food, that's for sure.

02:09:20.000 You can eat pasta over there, you feel normal.

02:09:22.000 No, I definitely need to go.

02:09:23.000 They don't have poison in their foods over there.

02:09:28.000 Fruit Loops in America are different than Fruit Loops in fucking Canada.

02:09:32.000 Because we allow all the dirty dyes.

02:09:35.000 We allow all those funky dyes that are horrible for you.

02:09:38.000 And European countries are like, no, that shit's poison.

02:09:42.000 We're like, give it to the kids.

02:09:45.000 Give it to the babies.

02:09:47.000 Give the babies the poison.

02:09:49.000 Loaded with sugar.

02:09:51.000 Loaded with sugar.

02:09:52.000 But we never know.

02:09:53.000 When we were kids, nobody ever told you sugar.

02:09:55.000 Sugar just, all it did was rot your teeth.

02:09:56.000 No big deal.

02:09:57.000 Boxing that shit in one sitting.

02:09:58.000 That's what it felt like.

02:09:59.000 Yeah, you didn't think it was going to kill you.

02:10:00.000 I grew up on that shit.

02:10:02.000 All of it.

02:10:03.000 We all did.

02:10:03.000 I used to take Frosted Frakes and put sugar on top of it.

02:10:05.000 Sugar on it!

02:10:07.000 Remember those days?

02:10:08.000 I do.

02:10:09.000 You love gritty.

02:10:10.000 Gritty with sugar.

02:10:12.000 And if I ain't had no milk, I had Kool-Aid in there to add to my sugar.

02:10:17.000 Water in it.

02:10:18.000 I remember Travis Luter.

02:10:20.000 Some guys are too smart for their own good.

02:10:24.000 I remember I'm eating raisins in there, and he's eating fucking Kit Kats and shit.

02:10:28.000 Oh, yeah.

02:10:28.000 He's like, oh, sugar, sugar.

02:10:30.000 I go, I don't think it works like that.

02:10:33.000 I'm far from a fucking nutritionist, but I don't think, you know, because I don't like these fucking raisins.

02:10:39.000 There is something to be said for drinking things that have a high sugar content after hard training.

02:10:44.000 That's fact.

02:10:45.000 And you know who used to do that?

02:10:47.000 Floyd Mayweather.

02:10:48.000 Floyd Mayweather used to be having these crazy workouts and he would crack open a Pepsi.

02:10:52.000 And people were like, what the fuck is he doing?

02:10:54.000 Like, he's crazy.

02:10:55.000 But no, he's not.

02:10:56.000 He's smart.

02:10:57.000 As hard as that guy worked out, flooding yourself and you're getting that muscle glycogen in a crazy way that you're really not going to get any other way.

02:11:05.000 Like, I don't recommend drinking soda.

02:11:06.000 I like it.

02:11:07.000 It's fun.

02:11:08.000 I like to drink a soda every now and then, a real one.

02:11:10.000 But he used to drink it after training.

02:11:12.000 Well, that's what, like, Paul Felder does, like, after, like, a long bike ride.

02:11:15.000 Yeah.

02:11:15.000 He would talk about, like, drinking a soda.

02:11:17.000 Yeah, the best times to do it are, like, they say either when you wake up just because you're fasted or after a big workout, they're the safest times to do that.

02:11:25.000 Yeah, I mean, he's there drinking a Coke.

02:11:27.000 And you would think, like, there's no way this guy, he treats his body like a temple.

02:11:30.000 But he does.

02:11:31.000 He's smart.

02:11:32.000 That guy did it the right way.

02:11:34.000 Never drank, never partied, never was out of shape, never got fat, would run home from the club at 2 o'clock in the morning, in his jeans, just fucking getting in work, never out of shape.

02:11:48.000 He got to see all the mistakes.

02:11:50.000 And he's like, I'm not making any of these.

02:11:52.000 Yeah, he was built different, too.

02:11:54.000 Smarter.

02:11:54.000 Yeah, smarter than everybody else.

02:11:55.000 And also figured out, I can't knock everybody out, but I can get everybody to want me to get knocked out.

02:12:00.000 And so people come to see me get knocked out, and I beat everybody.

02:12:03.000 That's right, yep.

02:12:05.000 I mean, he's definitely the greatest defensive fighter of all time.

02:12:09.000 If boxing is hit and doesn't get hit, who's better than Floyd?

02:12:13.000 Zero people.

02:12:14.000 How many people cracked him in his career?

02:12:18.000 Shane cracked him.

02:12:21.000 Chop Chop with Demarcus Corley.

02:12:23.000 Cracked him once.

02:12:25.000 Conor McGregor?

02:12:28.000 Homeboy from Argentina.

02:12:31.000 Maidana.

02:12:34.000 Maidana.

02:12:34.000 The first Maidana fight was pretty...

02:12:37.000 Maidana knocked his tooth out and then would carry it around on a necklace.

02:12:41.000 Maidana has Floyd Mayweather's tooth on a gold necklace.

02:12:50.000 A lot of people thought Maidana won the first one.

02:12:52.000 He definitely cracked him at the end of that round and wobbled him.

02:12:56.000 And then it was right at the bell.

02:12:58.000 And so then Floyd got back on his bike and started outboxing him.

02:13:01.000 But Maidana, see?

02:13:02.000 There it is.

02:13:02.000 There's his tooth.

02:13:03.000 See, there it is.

02:13:04.000 He's got it knocked out.

02:13:05.000 And he keeps it around his neck.

02:13:07.000 Think about how good defensively you have to be.

02:13:10.000 We can count how many times you've been cracked.

02:13:13.000 Amazing.

02:13:14.000 Yeah.

02:13:14.000 Amazing.

02:13:15.000 But also could recover.

02:13:16.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:13:17.000 Floyd could recover.

02:13:17.000 He just had a lot of hand injuries.

02:13:19.000 How'd he find his tooth in that motherfucker?

02:13:21.000 So he's probably telling his corner guy, get that motherfucker in there!

02:13:24.000 You can see it in the fight.

02:13:26.000 It flies out of his mouth.

02:13:28.000 And one of the corner men saw it and grabbed it.

02:13:30.000 Damn.

02:13:30.000 Yeah.

02:13:31.000 That's great.

02:13:32.000 Great.

02:13:32.000 That's hilarious.

02:13:33.000 That is funny.

02:13:34.000 We need that.

02:13:34.000 That's a souvenir.

02:13:36.000 That second fight, Floyd got the ring bigger, and he just destroyed him in the second one because he had more room to run.

02:13:43.000 The first one, Maidana kept getting him on the ropes, getting him on the ropes, and beating him up.

02:13:47.000 Well, if you're going to have a rematch with a master technician, he's going to figure out all your little things.

02:13:53.000 He's the shot caller.

02:13:54.000 Did you see Superlek in 1FC? I didn't see that, no.

02:14:01.000 What is that?

02:14:03.000 Dude, Superlek is this badass Muay Thai fighter, and he fought Jonathan Haggerty, who was the champion.

02:14:11.000 Was that when he hit him with the elbow?

02:14:12.000 Yeah.

02:14:12.000 Yeah, I heard about that, yeah.

02:14:14.000 But I saw an interesting breakdown.

02:14:16.000 Here it is.

02:14:17.000 So Haggerty, look at this.

02:14:18.000 He caught him with that overtop elbow.

02:14:20.000 Like, real quick in the fight.

02:14:22.000 I think it was like 40 seconds.

02:14:23.000 Look at that.

02:14:23.000 Beautiful.

02:14:24.000 KO. So they had a real good fight in the first fight.

02:14:27.000 It was six years ago, and Hagerty became the champion, and everybody thought, you know, like, this is going to be a much different fight.

02:14:32.000 But what I saw that was interesting was someone broke down, there was a video breakdown of his tells that Hagerty has a certain hop, hop, and then he goes in.

02:14:43.000 And then Superlek had timed it, and he tried it earlier in the round and didn't catch it.

02:14:48.000 And in this one, look at this, perfect timing.

02:14:51.000 Gets his head off the center line.

02:14:52.000 Oh, my God.

02:14:54.000 Perfect elbow.

02:14:55.000 This is the thing that I love that 1FC is doing.

02:14:58.000 I don't love what they did to Mikey Moose Imagine.

02:15:00.000 But what I love what they're doing is they're having world-class Muay Thai fighters and they're putting them in these giant cards where like tens of thousands of people see them.

02:15:09.000 It's on Amazon.

02:15:11.000 So millions of people are gonna see it around the world on Amazon and it's on the internet.

02:15:14.000 So all these people are gonna be able to see it on YouTube.

02:15:17.000 It's exposing people to these guys that are just super high level strikers that you're not going to hear about.

02:15:24.000 200 fights.

02:15:25.000 Ra-Tang, who would have heard of Ra-Tang if it wasn't for one?

02:15:28.000 For sure.

02:15:29.000 Right now everybody knows who he is.

02:15:31.000 That fucking elbow reminded me, it just brought me back to Weidman vs.

02:15:34.000 Mark Munoz.

02:15:35.000 Oh my god.

02:15:36.000 That's the fucking elbow.

02:15:38.000 Exactly.

02:15:38.000 That's the fucking elbow.

02:15:39.000 Exactly.

02:15:40.000 And that fight, I think, would inspire Chris Padilla to use the elbow against Ron Zhu over the weekend.

02:15:46.000 Really?

02:15:47.000 Yeah, and busted his eye wide open.

02:15:49.000 They stopped the fight because of that.

02:15:50.000 That's interesting.

02:15:50.000 Watch this elbow.

02:15:51.000 This one's incredible.

02:15:53.000 This is Prime Wideman.

02:15:54.000 Oh my goodness, the timing on that.

02:15:57.000 Dude, Prime Wideman was a motherfucker, dude.

02:16:00.000 He was a motherfucker.

02:16:02.000 Look at this elbow.

02:16:03.000 Longo's half, man!

02:16:06.000 Phenomenal.

02:16:06.000 So clean.

02:16:07.000 Phenomenal.

02:16:08.000 Ready?

02:16:09.000 Bang, Weidman!

02:16:11.000 The timing.

02:16:11.000 Yeah, Chris.

02:16:12.000 He's fighting Anders soon.

02:16:14.000 Eric Anders.

02:16:15.000 When is that?

02:16:16.000 When is that?

02:16:17.000 That's Madison Square Garden.

02:16:19.000 November 16th.

02:16:21.000 That's a crazy fight.

02:16:22.000 Chris is in South Carolina now.

02:16:24.000 We don't see him so much.

02:16:25.000 South Carolina Chris now, we call him.

02:16:27.000 Is he training with Wonderboy?

02:16:29.000 Who's he training with down there?

02:16:30.000 Has he lived down there?

02:16:31.000 He's got like his own people with like Brian Barbarina and those guys.

02:16:34.000 He's got a bunch of nice guys with them.

02:16:35.000 They got a decent little squad down there from what I hear.

02:16:39.000 Well, he was throwing kicks in the last fight.

02:16:40.000 Yeah.

02:16:41.000 He was throwing hard kicks with that right leg.

02:16:42.000 I can't watch it.

02:16:43.000 It's crazy.

02:16:44.000 I can't watch it.

02:16:45.000 But it seemed like he was trying to prove a point.

02:16:47.000 Like, I'm going to fucking throw these things.

02:16:49.000 He's such a beast, Chris Whiteman.

02:16:51.000 That last fight was a bummer, though.

02:16:53.000 The eye poke thing was a real bummer.

02:16:54.000 It kind of made it...

02:16:56.000 It took away from it a little bit.

02:16:58.000 It was a bummer.

02:16:59.000 I feel like...

02:17:00.000 I keep saying it, but I feel like they should cover those fingertips.

02:17:03.000 There's no reason why they're exposed.

02:17:04.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:17:05.000 Do it like a bad glove.

02:17:06.000 Cover it like a bad glove.

02:17:08.000 I mean, I just don't understand how they thought this was going to solve the problem.

02:17:12.000 They were like, new gloves!

02:17:13.000 And our guys are still getting poked in the eye.

02:17:15.000 Yeah, it's still the same setup.

02:17:19.000 I feel like if you're going to have the fingerless ones, Trevor Whitman's are the best.

02:17:24.000 They curve down, right?

02:17:26.000 They curve hard.

02:17:27.000 But your hands stay in this position.

02:17:28.000 You have to struggle to do this.

02:17:30.000 Your hand naturally goes in this position.

02:17:32.000 The UFC gloves are still like this.

02:17:34.000 Yeah.

02:17:34.000 How did they think that was going to be the answer?

02:17:36.000 You've got to cover the fingers.

02:17:38.000 There's no reason to not cover the fingers like a bad glove.

02:17:40.000 Just have a piece of leather that goes over the fingertips so you have one thing.

02:17:45.000 It's not going to invade your grappling.

02:17:47.000 It's not going to change your striking.

02:17:49.000 It's not going to change anything.

02:17:50.000 Put a piece of elastic in there.

02:17:51.000 Yeah.

02:17:51.000 Just keep it closed.

02:17:53.000 And this way, at least if you get poked in the eye, you're getting a blunt thing like this.

02:17:58.000 You're not getting something that goes into your eyeball, right?

02:18:00.000 So have them all covered with something like that and have like a ridge over the top of it, like a soft foam ridge.

02:18:07.000 So even if you're getting poked in the eyes, you're not...

02:18:10.000 It's definitely better than a...

02:18:11.000 Yeah, you're not getting an individual thing going deep into your eyeball with a fingernail, which is what people get right now.

02:18:16.000 You get fucking fingernails.

02:18:19.000 Dirty-ass fingernail in your eyeball.

02:18:21.000 Even if you trim your nails, like my nails are trimmed, I wouldn't want that in my asshole.

02:18:24.000 Oh, let me look at me today.

02:18:25.000 Can you imagine if that's in your asshole?

02:18:26.000 Yeah.

02:18:27.000 Scratching around inside your asshole, right?

02:18:29.000 And your eyeball is just soft tissue, man.

02:18:31.000 Yeah, that's worse than little Ant-Man getting big inside your asshole.

02:18:35.000 My head went straight there.

02:18:37.000 Of course.

02:18:38.000 Scarred.

02:18:38.000 That's where I was going with it.

02:18:39.000 It's like soft tissue in your eyeballs is the scariest soft tissue.

02:18:42.000 We're allowing fingernails to go in there for no reason.

02:18:45.000 You could fix that.

02:18:47.000 You really could fix that by just covering the tips of the fingertips.

02:18:51.000 I think you should just use Trevor Whitman's glove.

02:18:53.000 Trevor Whitman's glove is the best.

02:18:55.000 I do too.

02:18:55.000 You're always going to have thumbs.

02:18:57.000 You know, you remember Roberto Duran and Davey Moore?

02:19:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:19:01.000 He thumbed him right in the eyeball.

02:19:02.000 Dean Thomas, do you want them to use the Trevor Whitman gloves because you feel bad about taking his fucking job?

02:19:08.000 Well, listen, I can't help you.

02:19:09.000 You motherfuckers!

02:19:11.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

02:19:13.000 He left the job so he could work on them gloves.

02:19:16.000 So you might as well give him the love for that.

02:19:18.000 Trevor Whitman has the best gloves.

02:19:19.000 Yeah.

02:19:19.000 He has the best training gloves.

02:19:21.000 All his equipment is top tier.

02:19:24.000 He uses the best materials.

02:19:26.000 The foam he uses is very different.

02:19:28.000 It's like super high-tech density foam.

02:19:31.000 It feels better when you're hitting things.

02:19:33.000 I think it'll protect people from hand injuries better.

02:19:35.000 Yeah.

02:19:35.000 So they should talk to him.

02:19:36.000 They did.

02:19:37.000 He apparently wanted some crazy amount of money that the UFC wasn't willing to give.

02:19:41.000 Trevor!

02:19:43.000 That's the UFC's perspective.

02:19:45.000 I don't know what Trevor—I love Trevor, but I'm a big fan of his stuff.

02:19:49.000 If it was up to me, I would figure out a way to make that work.

02:19:51.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:19:52.000 But, you know, apparently he wanted something crazy.

02:19:56.000 Not only that, Dean Thomas has your fucking other job now!

02:20:00.000 So that's why...

02:20:01.000 Dean, you do a good job with that.

02:20:03.000 Yeah, you do.

02:20:04.000 Thank you very much.

02:20:05.000 Nobody dresses better.

02:20:07.000 How do you plan that out?

02:20:08.000 I got to, man, because I'm working with y'all.

02:20:11.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:20:12.000 That's Joe Rogan in D.C. I got to have my own thing.

02:20:15.000 But you do have a flair.

02:20:16.000 You got your own Dean Thomas flair.

02:20:18.000 Yeah, I got to show up somehow.

02:20:20.000 Always show up.

02:20:22.000 Hey, there's some good fights on this card this weekend.

02:20:25.000 Oh, I know.

02:20:26.000 Bahamundes is a bad motherfucker.

02:20:27.000 He is a bad motherfucker.

02:20:29.000 That's a bad motherfucker.

02:20:30.000 Bahamundes, yeah.

02:20:30.000 That's an interesting fight on the undercard.

02:20:33.000 Let's see.

02:20:34.000 He's fighting Manuel Torres, who's also good.

02:20:37.000 Yeah.

02:20:37.000 That's a good fight, man.

02:20:38.000 That's a real good fight.

02:20:40.000 That's one of them under-the-radar fights.

02:20:42.000 They put people in here to like to throw.

02:20:44.000 They sure did.

02:20:45.000 Who did Manuel Torres fight this last fight?

02:20:47.000 He beat the hell out of somebody last time.

02:20:49.000 He did.

02:20:51.000 Baja Mondes throws some wild shit.

02:20:55.000 Oh yeah, Chris Duncan.

02:20:56.000 Yeah, he busted Chris Duncan.

02:20:57.000 Yeah.

02:21:00.000 That's going to be an interesting fight, but for me, scroll all the way up to the top, Jamie.

02:21:07.000 No, no, no.

02:21:07.000 The end of the card.

02:21:09.000 I'm very, very interested in the rematch of Alexa Grosso and Valentina.

02:21:13.000 Yes, me too.

02:21:14.000 I felt like Valentina did enough to get the nod in the second fight.

02:21:18.000 I did too.

02:21:18.000 I felt like she...

02:21:19.000 And some judge gave the last round to Alexa Grosso 10-8.

02:21:23.000 They had two points.

02:21:24.000 Which I thought was kind of...

02:21:26.000 Well, you know why, right?

02:21:28.000 Because he had her in the choke, and he was just kind of biased from the first choke.

02:21:32.000 Right.

02:21:33.000 So he thought that was close enough.

02:21:34.000 It was kind of close, but it wasn't.

02:21:37.000 I mean, it means something.

02:21:39.000 If you're going to do that, you should do that all the time.

02:21:41.000 Anytime someone gets you in a choke and you defend, that's a 10-9 already.

02:21:44.000 You already got a 10-9.

02:21:45.000 Anything more than that, now it's 10-8.

02:21:47.000 You know, like boxing with knockdowns.

02:21:49.000 The scoring is too subjective.

02:21:51.000 A 10-8 round is more like when Aljamain had Jan on his back the entire round threatening, you know what I'm saying?

02:21:58.000 Smashing him.

02:21:59.000 Getting it at the end of the round doesn't earn you two points.

02:22:02.000 Right, a 10-8 is a dominant round.

02:22:04.000 You dominated the whole round.

02:22:05.000 And did they give Aljamain two points?

02:22:08.000 I don't even think he got 10-8 for that.

02:22:09.000 All I know is poor Aljo didn't get the respect he deserves after that Calvin Cater fight, which was a fucking beautiful...

02:22:16.000 Masterpiece.

02:22:17.000 Masterpiece.

02:22:18.000 It was a great fight.

02:22:19.000 I think Aljo is just a 45-er who was a bad motherfucker at 35, but I think we're going to see the real Aljo at 45. I think so, too.

02:22:27.000 I think he's going to beat Oldboy in a couple weeks, too.

02:22:29.000 He's so big, man.

02:22:30.000 I was always like, how the...

02:22:31.000 I saw him in between fights once.

02:22:32.000 He's going to beat Movistar.

02:22:33.000 He's going to beat Movistar in a couple weeks.

02:22:35.000 Interesting fight.

02:22:36.000 High-level grappling.

02:22:37.000 Very high-level grappling.

02:22:39.000 When he got Sanhagen's back, bro, that was the quickness.

02:22:42.000 Hell yeah.

02:22:42.000 That rear naked choke of his is about as good as it gets in MMA right now.

02:22:46.000 These top three fights are all bangers.

02:22:47.000 But Diego Lopez and Ortego's going to be crazy.

02:22:49.000 That's going to be fucking crazy.

02:22:51.000 How do you think Ortego...

02:22:52.000 What happened to Ortega last time where he pulled out?

02:22:55.000 Like something was up with him?

02:22:56.000 Supposedly, he got an ammonia or something, right?

02:22:58.000 Yeah, he got something real bad.

02:22:59.000 Oh, okay.

02:23:00.000 Yeah, he got real, real sick.

02:23:01.000 Yeah, because they made that fight on, like I said, it was a three-week notice fight.

02:23:06.000 He didn't look good the day of the weigh-ins.

02:23:09.000 You know, I do the interviews with fighters.

02:23:11.000 I did an interview with him, and he was like, he just looked tired.

02:23:15.000 I think he just, I mean, he didn't make weight that fight either, remember?

02:23:19.000 It was a medical withdrawal.

02:23:20.000 Yeah.

02:23:21.000 So he missed a weight, and then on top of that, they changed the weight class, then on top of that, he never makes it to the fight.

02:23:27.000 He was sick.

02:23:27.000 It's gonna be a wild fight.

02:23:28.000 And Diego Lopez is a fucking assassin.

02:23:31.000 Zell Huber is an assassin, too.

02:23:32.000 I was getting ready.

02:23:33.000 That's gonna be another banger.

02:23:35.000 He's good, yeah.

02:23:36.000 Who do you like on that one?

02:23:38.000 I heard old Cejudo talking about Rybovich apparently trains at his gym.

02:23:43.000 Rybovich is good, man.

02:23:45.000 He's very good.

02:23:45.000 This is a very fun fight.

02:23:47.000 Very fun fight.

02:23:48.000 There's a lot of under-the-radar fights on this card.

02:23:52.000 I think it's going to live up to it.

02:23:53.000 I mean, they got a lot of hype on the sphere.

02:23:55.000 And the names may not be there, but all these guys are bangers.

02:23:59.000 Here's the question.

02:24:00.000 Do they...

02:24:00.000 You know how they show on the big screens?

02:24:02.000 You get to see the fights if you're in the stands, so you can see things that maybe you don't see.

02:24:06.000 Are they going to have it on the whole ceiling?

02:24:09.000 I don't think.

02:24:10.000 You looking up and seeing shit?

02:24:11.000 I think they should.

02:24:12.000 I was at the Apex all week last week, and it's so secretive.

02:24:18.000 I think they should have the fight on the whole ceiling, and then everybody would not know where to fuck to look.

02:24:22.000 That's what I think.

02:24:22.000 Yeah.

02:24:23.000 They'd be getting knockouts, and people wouldn't even be looking at them.

02:24:25.000 They'd be like, ah!

02:24:27.000 Okay.

02:24:28.000 Because if it's way cooler, if it's only going to do it once, have the shit on the ceiling.

02:24:31.000 Is there going to be two production trucks?

02:24:33.000 Like, people at home aren't going to be seeing the whole visual because, you know, it's produced for...

02:24:38.000 That's a very good point.

02:24:39.000 Well, apparently they hired another director.

02:24:44.000 Wow.

02:24:45.000 A sphere director.

02:24:46.000 Someone understands that.

02:24:47.000 If they're smart, which they are, they should make some kind of documentary or something about the making of this shit.

02:24:53.000 Oh, they probably are.

02:24:54.000 You know what I mean?

02:24:54.000 And so people get to try to see what was going on inside of there that weren't able to get tickets.

02:25:00.000 I think there's six mini-movies that play about the history of combat sports in Mexico.

02:25:04.000 They said that.

02:25:04.000 They said something like that.

02:25:06.000 Yeah.

02:25:06.000 That's crazy.

02:25:07.000 Crazy.

02:25:07.000 They spent $20 million on this fucking place.

02:25:10.000 Yeah, I've heard.

02:25:10.000 Nuts.

02:25:11.000 I think the original budget was $10 million.

02:25:14.000 And they just went over?

02:25:15.000 So, Sean O'Malley and Merab is a perfect fight for it.

02:25:19.000 Oh, yeah.

02:25:19.000 I know that neither one of them is Mexican, but let that go for a little bit.

02:25:23.000 Mexico, they adopted Merab.

02:25:27.000 He fights like a Mexican.

02:25:30.000 He really does.

02:25:32.000 Goddamn, that guy's gas tank is terrifying.

02:25:34.000 He's terrifying, because that's a guy that if you empty out early on Merab, you got real proud.

02:25:40.000 He's got a chin on him.

02:25:42.000 He survives.

02:25:43.000 Apparently so.

02:25:44.000 The Marlin fight was nuts, man.

02:25:48.000 The second half of the round he got dropped in, he beat him to death.

02:25:53.000 He almost stopped him in that round.

02:25:55.000 That's why the second round happened how it did.

02:25:57.000 He took it out of him in the first round.

02:25:59.000 Yeah, but Rob is an animal.

02:26:01.000 But Marise was like a frontrunner like no other.

02:26:04.000 That first round with Henry Cejudo, I thought Henry Cejudo was going to sleep.

02:26:09.000 Dude, when Marlon was in his prime, when he knocked out Aljo with that switch kick, bro, he was terrifying.

02:26:18.000 People forgot how good Marlon was.

02:26:19.000 He was good, good.

02:26:20.000 But he was just too big for the weight class, too.

02:26:22.000 He was another guy.

02:26:23.000 There's no way that was healthy.

02:26:26.000 He was so big for 35 and just shredded.

02:26:30.000 Explosive, man.

02:26:31.000 He had that Mickey Mouse voice to go with it.

02:26:34.000 The little fire plug with that little voice.

02:26:36.000 What Marlon had that was so tricky was that left high kick off the front leg.

02:26:40.000 He caught a lot of people.

02:26:41.000 He did it so slick.

02:26:43.000 It was so fast.

02:26:44.000 He was explosive, he was accurate, he was well-rounded, but he did the gas tank, I think maybe from making the weight or whatever.

02:26:50.000 It had to do with, there was some psychological aspects to it too, I think.

02:26:54.000 There was like something when he was the nail, it wasn't his, you know, he just didn't stand up.

02:26:59.000 He wasn't like Merab.

02:27:00.000 Like Merab finds a fucking...

02:27:02.000 There's a Georgia memory in there of some fucking street fight with a goat.

02:27:11.000 There's some deep memory of some fucking chaotic thing on a mountain that happened that's in his brain forever.

02:27:17.000 You know, you got Sean O'Malley saying that he has...

02:27:19.000 Sean O'Malley says he has no losses.

02:27:24.000 He points out that Cheeto Vera thing that it's a fluke.

02:27:27.000 If you look at Marab's record, that fight with Frankie Sighs was a fucking...

02:27:32.000 I don't say it often.

02:27:33.000 It's a fucking robbery if you watch that.

02:27:34.000 And he was just getting over fucking...

02:27:36.000 What'd he have?

02:27:38.000 Not pneumonia.

02:27:39.000 He had lingering effects of something.

02:27:41.000 And he still went through that fight.

02:27:43.000 I don't give a fuck.

02:27:44.000 Watch that fight.

02:27:44.000 He won that fight.

02:27:45.000 And then the other one with Simone, Ricky Simone, it was controversial.

02:27:50.000 Because he was in the choke, and that round ended, and then he was like half in, half out, and they're like, oh, he's out.

02:27:57.000 So it was a weird...

02:27:58.000 I haven't seen that.

02:28:00.000 Let me see that.

02:28:00.000 Ricky Simone, I forgot about that fight.

02:28:03.000 He's shaking to the end of it.

02:28:04.000 And then when it's the end of it, it's like, out.

02:28:06.000 But in and out.

02:28:07.000 So it's like, it was a weird...

02:28:09.000 But he made it to the belt.

02:28:10.000 Well, that's Yan Xiaonan against Zhang Weili.

02:28:13.000 Remember?

02:28:13.000 At the end of the round, she was out cold.

02:28:14.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:28:15.000 She got choked unconscious.

02:28:17.000 And then they woke her up.

02:28:18.000 And she's like, okay.

02:28:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:28:20.000 Sat down and throwing ice on her and water.

02:28:23.000 He was in Carlos Newton.

02:28:25.000 She woke up.

02:28:25.000 But he won.

02:28:27.000 Because he was the first guy to wake up.

02:28:28.000 Yeah.

02:28:29.000 So here it is.

02:28:30.000 Ricky Simone gets him in a guillotine.

02:28:32.000 And there's the very end.

02:28:33.000 Oh my god, that's so nasty.

02:28:35.000 Look how nasty that is.

02:28:35.000 It's on, too.

02:28:36.000 That's so tight.

02:28:37.000 That's so tight.

02:28:38.000 He's out.

02:28:38.000 He's out right there.

02:28:39.000 He's out.

02:28:41.000 The arm's hanging.

02:28:42.000 But he doesn't stop it.

02:28:42.000 The left doesn't stop it.

02:28:44.000 He's still shaking.

02:28:45.000 Okay.

02:28:46.000 So he's hanging in there.

02:28:47.000 He's hanging in there.

02:28:48.000 But where's the seconds left?

02:28:49.000 He's not tapping.

02:28:51.000 God damn, that guy's got willpower, huh?

02:28:53.000 For real.

02:28:53.000 Look at him.

02:28:53.000 He's not tapping.

02:28:55.000 Surviving for the moment.

02:28:58.000 He's not defending with his arms either.

02:29:00.000 This is crazy.

02:29:00.000 He's not even defending with his arms.

02:29:02.000 He's just using his neck.

02:29:05.000 He gave him the thumbs up.

02:29:07.000 Yeah.

02:29:11.000 Ten seconds?

02:29:16.000 He's still moving his legs.

02:29:19.000 I mean, that's...

02:29:21.000 The horn!

02:29:22.000 But now he's like...

02:29:26.000 He's breathing.

02:29:26.000 Yeah, what the fuck?

02:29:27.000 They stopped the fight.

02:29:28.000 No, no, no, no.

02:29:29.000 You can't say he's out there.

02:29:31.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:29:31.000 You can't say he's out there.

02:29:32.000 Rest in peace, Dr. Sherry.

02:29:34.000 Right.

02:29:34.000 That was the team talk.

02:29:35.000 Dr. Walken.

02:29:37.000 Yeah, that's kind of crazy.

02:29:38.000 That's fucked up!

02:29:39.000 He stopped the fight after the fight was over?

02:29:41.000 Yeah, after the round was over, they decided he was out.

02:29:44.000 Yeah, so I mean, so look, you could look at his record and say he undefeated.

02:29:47.000 But he protested immediately.

02:29:48.000 He was just laying there with his eyes open, and it looked like he was out because he was fucking exhausted.

02:29:54.000 Yeah, like he could be like, alright, yeah, that's like a sign of relief.

02:29:57.000 Look, there's no way he would have known if the guy says it's over and he immediately protests.

02:30:01.000 There's no way he could have known to protest if he wasn't awake.

02:30:05.000 And who was the ref?

02:30:06.000 I don't even recognize him.

02:30:07.000 They fucked him in this.

02:30:07.000 So it's like you could look at his record and be like, yo, this guy hasn't lost the fight.

02:30:10.000 Yeah.

02:30:11.000 There's some, you know, refs are human.

02:30:13.000 They make mistakes.

02:30:14.000 That's a rough one, though.

02:30:15.000 It's a bad one.

02:30:16.000 And if you look at the fight before that, that's the robbery of Frankie Saiz.

02:30:19.000 So you could literally look at this guy and say he never lost.

02:30:23.000 I think all these moments of adversity just strengthened his resolve anyway.

02:30:28.000 The guy's a monster now.

02:30:29.000 The Henry Cejudo fight was so crazy.

02:30:31.000 When he was carrying Henry Cejudo like a little kid with his tongue hanging out, I was like, this is mad.

02:30:37.000 It was kind of embarrassing.

02:30:38.000 I felt bad for Henry.

02:30:39.000 But he's doing it to Henry Cejudo.

02:30:41.000 He wasn't just doing it to some guy who didn't belong in the cage with him.

02:30:44.000 He's doing it to a two-division world champion who's an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling, and he's carrying him around like a pillow.

02:30:50.000 And he walks over to Mark Zuckerberg.

02:30:54.000 And then he's talking shit while he's choking him.

02:30:57.000 Talking shit while he's beating the fuck out of him.

02:30:58.000 He was having a great old time.

02:31:00.000 When he had him in that 10-finger guillotine, bro, that's a nasty spot.

02:31:04.000 I thought he was going to get him there with that.

02:31:07.000 I'm like, that's a nasty choke.

02:31:09.000 Yeah, I think he's gonna have his night.

02:31:10.000 I think the craziest moment like that, though, was when Hamzat picked up the leech.

02:31:15.000 Oh, yeah.

02:31:16.000 Walked him over there.

02:31:17.000 Walked him over there.

02:31:17.000 Give me title shot!

02:31:18.000 I killed him all!

02:31:20.000 He's, like, carrying him in the air.

02:31:23.000 Just carrying him over to Dana.

02:31:25.000 And he starts fucking him up right in front of Dana.

02:31:27.000 That dude's wild.

02:31:29.000 Poor Leach, though.

02:31:31.000 Leach can't get...

02:31:31.000 I mean, they just feed him to everyone.

02:31:33.000 Who did he just fight, Leach?

02:31:35.000 Carlos Protes.

02:31:36.000 And Carlos Protes put them hands on Carlos.

02:31:39.000 Smoking cigarettes in the locker room, fucking everybody up.

02:31:43.000 He put them hands on him.

02:31:45.000 That striking was beautiful.

02:31:47.000 He's good, man.

02:31:48.000 He made that look easy, man.

02:31:49.000 He's very, very, very good.

02:31:51.000 That guy's scary.

02:31:52.000 Where the fuck did he come from?

02:31:54.000 It's from the fighting nerds, man.

02:31:56.000 There he is right here.

02:31:57.000 Yeah, fighting nerds, man.

02:31:58.000 They got a great team.

02:32:00.000 But this guy, he's just a fucking killer, man.

02:32:03.000 Carlos just knows how to put it on you.

02:32:04.000 This knee to the body, man, was so nasty.

02:32:07.000 Oh, see the knee to the body before that?

02:32:11.000 They didn't have that in that video?

02:32:12.000 But he had him hurt before this, but he's just fucking accurate.

02:32:16.000 Dude, he's all limbs, dude.

02:32:17.000 Oh, look at that.

02:32:18.000 He's got precision.

02:32:20.000 I hate those daddy long legs motherfuckers.

02:32:22.000 All legs and arms.

02:32:23.000 Yeah.

02:32:24.000 There's some good fighters coming up, man.

02:32:26.000 These kids that are coming up, they come into the cage so much better than guys just five years ago.

02:32:32.000 So much better.

02:32:33.000 Well, they're getting so much help from the UFC prior.

02:32:36.000 Right.

02:32:36.000 Especially if you have the PI behind you.

02:32:39.000 Like in Mexico, they're sponsoring these guys.

02:32:42.000 Also, there's so many videos to watch now.

02:32:45.000 That's a big factor.

02:32:47.000 Because when you were coming up, you had VHS tapes.

02:32:51.000 What the fuck are you going to watch?

02:32:53.000 We're talking about lines and shit.

02:32:54.000 Really?

02:32:54.000 Nobody got a chance to see anything.

02:32:57.000 Unless you saw them in your gym, you didn't get a chance to see real high level stuff.

02:33:01.000 And now guys, they have a standard in their head that's way higher than everybody's standard from 10, 15 years ago.

02:33:08.000 It is true.

02:33:08.000 Yeah, no doubt about that.

02:33:09.000 These guys just come in so well-rounded.

02:33:12.000 And plus, they start so much younger.

02:33:14.000 Oh yeah, that's a factor.

02:33:15.000 And kids, you know, the UFC has boosted wrestling in high schools and junior leagues and things, so they're just more complete.

02:33:22.000 They're growing up now complete martial artists.

02:33:25.000 There's no secrets anymore.

02:33:27.000 I remember back in the day, we'd be like, it's a new move, don't show anybody!

02:33:31.000 Still, the calf kick's only a few years old.

02:33:34.000 That's what's...

02:33:35.000 Bisping said he won his whole career without kicking kicked in the calf.

02:33:37.000 Me too, thank God.

02:33:38.000 Crazy!

02:33:39.000 I'm glad that wasn't around back then.

02:33:40.000 How the fuck did everybody miss that?

02:33:43.000 I know, right?

02:33:44.000 Benson Henderson used to throw it.

02:33:45.000 He did, yeah.

02:33:46.000 But he never had the kind of results that these guys are having.

02:33:49.000 It's different.

02:33:49.000 Where did it come from?

02:33:51.000 Well, it's Muay Thai.

02:33:52.000 Is it part of Muay Thai?

02:33:53.000 They've always done it.

02:33:53.000 It just wasn't done that often because guys check it.

02:33:56.000 I never noticed.

02:33:56.000 And if they check it and they turn out and you catch it on your foot...

02:34:01.000 I think they do it a lot more in Muay Thai now, though.

02:34:04.000 Even in Muay Thai?

02:34:04.000 Yeah, I think everybody just sees what's going on.

02:34:08.000 You see it in one a lot.

02:34:09.000 In Glory you see it now a lot.

02:34:12.000 The guy's throwing it a lot, man.

02:34:13.000 It's so effective.

02:34:14.000 You know what's weird?

02:34:15.000 In karate combat, you can't throw it to the thigh.

02:34:19.000 It has to be a calf kick.

02:34:20.000 That's ridiculous.

02:34:21.000 Yeah.

02:34:22.000 It's weird to me.

02:34:22.000 I'm like, what?

02:34:23.000 It has to be a calf kick?

02:34:24.000 That's really ridiculous.

02:34:25.000 What do you mean you can't throw it to the thigh?

02:34:27.000 It's illegal to kick above the knee in karate combat.

02:34:30.000 That's ridiculous.

02:34:31.000 That's silly.

02:34:32.000 What's the matter with that?

02:34:32.000 That's the whole point of karate.

02:34:33.000 Yeah, that literally makes no sense.

02:34:35.000 Yeah.

02:34:36.000 Because what about Kyokushin?

02:34:37.000 What about ones where they kick the legs all the time?

02:34:39.000 That's karate too.

02:34:40.000 Not sure why.

02:34:41.000 You know, take out some of the best karate from karate?

02:34:43.000 Not sure why that's a rule, but that's a rule.

02:34:45.000 But you can ground and pound for like 10 seconds or something?

02:34:47.000 You ground and pound until you stop.

02:34:48.000 Oh!

02:34:49.000 Yeah, you can ground and pound until you stop.

02:34:51.000 And then they break it up.

02:34:52.000 But you can't leg kick.

02:34:53.000 Right, but you can't kick to the thigh.

02:34:55.000 That seems crazy.

02:34:56.000 Yeah.

02:34:56.000 That doesn't make sense.

02:34:58.000 What's your feeling on that side kick to the knee?

02:35:00.000 Like what Khalil did to Modestus?

02:35:02.000 Hate it.

02:35:03.000 No, I don't hate it.

02:35:04.000 I love it.

02:35:04.000 I hate it.

02:35:05.000 You hate it?

02:35:06.000 Yeah.

02:35:06.000 I think it does nothing but damage a fighter.

02:35:10.000 Like, people say, oh, you can knee bar.

02:35:12.000 Well, you can tap to a knee bar.

02:35:13.000 You can't tap to that kick.

02:35:15.000 And if the kick lands, you're done.

02:35:16.000 You can't tap to a head kick either.

02:35:18.000 I mean, whatever.

02:35:19.000 You go to sleep, you go to sleep.

02:35:20.000 That's different to me.

02:35:22.000 But some head kicks are probably worse than getting knee kicked.

02:35:25.000 I mean, Leon Edwards and Kamaru, if you ask Kamaru, would you rather take a shot to the knee or that shot to the head?

02:35:31.000 He might take a shot to the knee.

02:35:33.000 I mean, you've got to defend it.

02:35:35.000 If you hit on time, like Khalil did, I think I'd rather get kicked in my head.

02:35:39.000 That one was horrific.

02:35:40.000 It's horrible to watch, but you've got to defend it.

02:35:43.000 It's not like you can't defend it.

02:35:44.000 You've got to defend it.

02:35:45.000 You remember when Darren Till started using it on everybody?

02:35:48.000 He was like one of the first guys to start using it on everybody.

02:35:50.000 John Jones, of course.

02:35:51.000 John Jones, he's the guy with it.

02:35:54.000 And he's so long.

02:35:57.000 That's a shitty one.

02:35:58.000 You can't use that full force in sparring.

02:36:03.000 In sparring, you can't do that.

02:36:04.000 No, you definitely can't.

02:36:06.000 You can't do that in sparring.

02:36:07.000 You'll be taking out your opponent's knees.

02:36:08.000 I've had guys tell me that they were sparring with guys they didn't know and they did shit like that to them.

02:36:13.000 Sidekicks to their knees.

02:36:13.000 I'm like, what the fuck are we doing?

02:36:15.000 Now it's a real fight.

02:36:15.000 Now you're making a street fight.

02:36:16.000 In a sparring match.

02:36:17.000 A guy was telling me about the ATT. They were bringing in some crazy Russians.

02:36:21.000 They were sidekicking your knees.

02:36:22.000 I mean, not only that, but they was doing like spinning wheel kicks to the head with just hitting you with the heel.

02:36:27.000 And I'm like, yo, what are you doing?

02:36:28.000 That's crazy.

02:36:29.000 Yeah.

02:36:30.000 That's crazy.

02:36:31.000 That's so hard.

02:36:32.000 If you're in a high-level sparring match with a guy where it's like you're getting emotional and then you throw a spinning kick, it's so hard to slap him with the foot.

02:36:40.000 It's so hard to decide to use the foot.

02:36:43.000 You wear shin pads for a reason to protect, but then you're doing a spinning kick where there's no protection.

02:36:48.000 Well, that's why gloves are nuts, right?

02:36:50.000 Because you can knee somebody in the face, you can elbow in the face, you can shin them in the fucking skull, but your knuckles are covered.

02:36:57.000 God forbid!

02:36:58.000 It's kind of crazy!

02:37:00.000 It's kind of crazy.

02:37:01.000 I never once sparred with the new...

02:37:03.000 I mean, they came later on, like the gloves that you could, they're not quite, they're not the boxing gloves, the puffies.

02:37:11.000 They're bigger, bigger MMA gloves.

02:37:11.000 Yeah, the MMA gloves that guy's sparring.

02:37:13.000 I always use the 16-ounce gloves because I want to be able to fucking throw.

02:37:17.000 And I grapple in them, but then I get in, I get under the butt, you obviously can't make a grip.

02:37:23.000 But then it's that much easier when I can make a grip.

02:37:25.000 So I'd get in, I'd lose it, but it would help my endurance.

02:37:29.000 And when I'm able to make grips, I'm like, ah.

02:37:30.000 When they had the new gloves and people were fucking around with them, I'm like, yeah, but now we're playing.

02:37:35.000 I didn't have the luxury.

02:37:36.000 I'm fucking 5'6".

02:37:37.000 I have to triple jab in and fight.

02:37:39.000 I can't play by just...

02:37:41.000 I have to throw.

02:37:42.000 So I couldn't throw realistically with those little gloves.

02:37:46.000 So when I see...

02:37:47.000 Sometimes there's some people sparring.

02:37:48.000 I had one of my girls sparring and...

02:37:50.000 And this girl, Lauren, and she brought in another girl, and they were doing it with those gloves.

02:37:54.000 I go, look, next time you want me to watch this shit, you're playing right now.

02:37:59.000 I'm not going to be telling you to fucking do certain things and throw certain things if you could be playing.

02:38:04.000 It's playing.

02:38:04.000 You're playing.

02:38:05.000 It's okay to play.

02:38:06.000 I like to grapple in them, but we have to fight.

02:38:09.000 So, I mean, you know, put on some bigger gloves.

02:38:11.000 We did the same thing.

02:38:12.000 Do you think that there's a time in a fighter's career where they don't have to spar?

02:38:16.000 Is there ever a time where they don't have to spar hard?

02:38:19.000 If they clock in enough hours, I guess Max Holloway, whoever else, possibly...

02:38:24.000 But even Holloway, when he's getting ready for Gaethje, decided to spar.

02:38:28.000 You have to simulate the fight as much as possible, because you don't want to feel that for the first time in there.

02:38:34.000 So we used to really spar.

02:38:36.000 I was watching Izzy's fight with Dracus, and the thing about that fight is that it looks like at the end, Izzy's very tired.

02:38:45.000 And he gets clocked.

02:38:46.000 Like, Drickus catches him with some of those winging punches, which he was getting away from in the earlier rounds.

02:38:51.000 And he catches him, rocks him, and then he hits him with a couple more right hands against the cage, and then immediately gets him in a choke when it goes to the ground.

02:38:59.000 And then Izzy taps.

02:39:00.000 And...

02:39:01.000 I always wonder, because that school of thought of like the Mar Marinovich school of thought when BJ was in his prime, was those guys were just doing wild plyometrics and cardio, and that's it.

02:39:12.000 They just like, you know how to fight.

02:39:14.000 We're just going to give you the most fucking insane gas tank you've ever had in your career.

02:39:18.000 And if you can get through this crazy camp of doing box jumps and plyometrics and those fucking...

02:39:24.000 All those things they were doing with their feet...

02:39:26.000 Throwing them with their feet in their hands.

02:39:28.000 The system's wild.

02:39:29.000 Wild shit.

02:39:30.000 And Nick Kurson, who I talked about, he's trained under him.

02:39:33.000 He's doing it now.

02:39:33.000 They have this philosophy that a fighter, like a guy like you or a guy like you, you have so many fights, you know how to fight.

02:39:40.000 You've been there, you've done it.

02:39:41.000 What you really need to do for this camp, because you're getting ready for a fight, is not get injured and have a fucking insane gas tank.

02:39:49.000 The flip side of that, most recently, and it's not the same thing because the guy could be weathered a little bit, Who had that philosophy with Tony Ferguson?

02:39:58.000 Goggins.

02:39:59.000 Now look.

02:40:01.000 That's Tony Ferguson after Gaethje.

02:40:04.000 But Goggins put him through a fucking cardio session.

02:40:07.000 I think Tony Ferguson after Gaethje is a different human being.

02:40:10.000 Yeah, he's been compromised.

02:40:11.000 And I like David Goggins, but I don't think he should have been in the corner.

02:40:15.000 I mean, you got him in the corner yelling from the stand.

02:40:17.000 I'm not shitting on Goggins.

02:40:18.000 I like all the shit.

02:40:19.000 But he's in the corner going, get up, Tony!

02:40:21.000 It's one of those things where it's like, you know, no shit.

02:40:24.000 Agreed.

02:40:25.000 Look, when it comes to willpower and when it comes to discipline, there's no one like Goggins.

02:40:31.000 But that doesn't matter if you mount him and strangle him to death.

02:40:34.000 It doesn't matter.

02:40:35.000 All that, I fucking never quit.

02:40:37.000 You're going to quit, bitch.

02:40:39.000 I'm going to make your body quit.

02:40:40.000 I'm going to make your body quit.

02:40:41.000 I don't care what kind of will you have.

02:40:43.000 I get behind you and put that in there.

02:40:45.000 You're going to pee your pants.

02:40:47.000 That's how it goes.

02:40:48.000 You're a human being.

02:40:49.000 You have neck muscles.

02:40:50.000 You have veins that provide all that blood to your brain.

02:40:54.000 I'm going to cut that off.

02:40:56.000 You can't get all that he needs from a guy like that, but you can get something.

02:41:01.000 You can get something, but Tony at that time was already on a long...

02:41:05.000 skid of multiple losses the Chandler knockout he gets front kicked in the face and an epic KO loss the Gaethje fight was horrific and then you gotta go before that he blows his fucking knee out backstage he was the boogeyman we were gonna see the boogeyman versus Khabib it was the fight everybody was pumped and then Al steps in On super short notice.

02:41:28.000 Raging Al had a great fucking account of himself.

02:41:31.000 Big time.

02:41:31.000 It was a very good fight.

02:41:32.000 Very good fight against Khabib in his prime.

02:41:36.000 24 hours.

02:41:37.000 Khabib in his prime.

02:41:38.000 Yeah.

02:41:39.000 And didn't get finished.

02:41:40.000 For five rounds.

02:41:41.000 Yeah.

02:41:41.000 Bro, I always wonder, man, if Tony Ferguson just doesn't step on those wires and we get to see that fight.

02:41:46.000 My God.

02:41:47.000 How?

02:41:47.000 Yeah.

02:41:48.000 Because that was Tony Ferguson when he was the fucking boogeyman.

02:41:50.000 When everybody was scared of him.

02:41:52.000 Yep.

02:41:52.000 He was beating the fuck out of everybody.

02:41:54.000 Who's the guy that left them wires there?

02:41:56.000 Hopefully they fired that guy, because he ruined history.

02:41:59.000 There's always going to be wires.

02:42:01.000 It's just a thing.

02:42:02.000 Didn't Randallman fall backstage or something, too?

02:42:06.000 Yes, right before the fight.

02:42:07.000 He fell and hit his head.

02:42:08.000 He stepped on some loose pipe.

02:42:10.000 Like a pipe or something.

02:42:11.000 Went up in the air, banged his head, got knocked out, was bleeding.

02:42:14.000 Yeah, everybody was always going to be guessing, but even when he was in his prime, he fought Kevin Lee.

02:42:20.000 Kevin Lee got him down, mounted him.

02:42:22.000 But then he triangled him.

02:42:23.000 He did triangle him, but Kevin Lee Mountain, no offense to Kevin Lee, it's not like Habib on Tapia.

02:42:28.000 So, I mean, is he ever surviving that?

02:42:29.000 You gotta remember, Kevin Lee maybe didn't achieve his potential, but Kevin Lee choked out Chiesa.

02:42:36.000 Remember that?

02:42:36.000 Kevin Lee was a motherfucker off the ground, dude.

02:42:37.000 He had his moments.

02:42:38.000 He did have his moments.

02:42:39.000 He had mad potential.

02:42:41.000 Yeah.

02:42:42.000 When he knocked out, uh, what's his face?

02:42:44.000 The wrestler?

02:42:45.000 Oh, Gregor Gillespie.

02:42:48.000 Kevin Lee was a fucking beast, man.

02:42:53.000 He just was inconsistent and then had a bunch of knee injuries, like severe knee injuries.

02:42:57.000 And that's the thing, like, a fighter's window is only open for so long.

02:43:00.000 So you gotta try to maximize that.

02:43:02.000 Do what you can when your window is open.

02:43:04.000 Right, if you saw Fedor fight Ryan Bader, you can't judge Fedor on that.

02:43:08.000 And we tend to do that.

02:43:10.000 We always do.

02:43:11.000 That's why I always say BJ, because we judge BJ by the end of his career.

02:43:14.000 It was like Tony Ferguson.

02:43:15.000 I mean, I think Tony beat BJ's, it's not a good record that they have, but as far as how many losses in a row.

02:43:22.000 Yeah.

02:43:23.000 So these guys got to throw these guys' names in Fight Pass, all these young kids, and see them in their glory days, because that's when you should really watch them.

02:43:29.000 Yeah.

02:43:30.000 But that's the thing about fighters, is like, whatever that window is, they say it's nine years at your very best, from your contender to your champion, whatever.

02:43:38.000 When you're fucking redlining.

02:43:40.000 Bam!

02:43:41.000 I think it's about five, really.

02:43:43.000 I think it's shorter than nine.

02:43:45.000 I think it's about five years where you're just like, in it.

02:43:48.000 Like, you in it, let's get it right now.

02:43:50.000 Like Anderson.

02:43:51.000 Yeah.

02:43:51.000 Anderson is prime.

02:43:52.000 Yeah.

02:43:52.000 It's like five years of just destruction.

02:43:54.000 And then afterwards, it's like, man, it's not...

02:43:57.000 You ain't got it no more.

02:43:58.000 Also, injuries, you know, with Anderson.

02:44:00.000 Injuries.

02:44:00.000 Well, first it was Weidman.

02:44:01.000 Weidman's left hook.

02:44:02.000 Yep.

02:44:03.000 That was the start of it all.

02:44:05.000 Weidman's left hook?

02:44:06.000 Bro, that was crazy.

02:44:07.000 Crazy, real crazy.

02:44:08.000 Same one he landed on Uriah Hall, remember?

02:44:11.000 Yep.

02:44:12.000 Before Uriah Hall was like the next big thing when he was in the Ultimate Fighter, Chris had fought him in New Jersey in combat.

02:44:19.000 Lou Neglia.

02:44:20.000 Bro, he had a long left hook.

02:44:22.000 Weidman's got that...

02:44:23.000 That extra foot to that hook.

02:44:25.000 It was a long hook.

02:44:27.000 That was an awesome show.

02:44:28.000 Like an extended arm hook at the end sometimes.

02:44:29.000 That go-go gadget left hook.

02:44:31.000 It's a good hook, man, because the guys don't think it's going to be able to reach them, and then all of a sudden it's there.

02:44:35.000 Pop!

02:44:36.000 I'm interested to see him and Eric Anders.

02:44:39.000 It's going to be a war.

02:44:40.000 Yeah, because Eric's a tough guy too.

02:44:41.000 He's game.

02:44:41.000 Yeah, Eric is game.

02:44:43.000 Remember when he fought Khalil and didn't even flinch?

02:44:45.000 And Khalil was just blasting his legs.

02:44:47.000 Talk about being tough enough to take a beating.

02:44:50.000 Bro, I asked him about it.

02:44:52.000 I was like, what was that like?

02:44:53.000 He said, every one of them hurt.

02:44:54.000 Every one of them hurt so bad.

02:44:56.000 Good poker face, bro.

02:44:57.000 He had the best poker face, man.

02:44:59.000 He just took it.

02:45:00.000 Yeah.

02:45:01.000 Some good fights coming up, kids.

02:45:03.000 Some real good fights.

02:45:04.000 Oh, fuck yeah.

02:45:05.000 I can't wait.

02:45:05.000 I love it.

02:45:06.000 I love a Saturday when the fight...

02:45:08.000 I hate when there's...

02:45:09.000 There's so many fights on every weekend that when there's not one on, I'm like, oh.

02:45:13.000 You know what I'm looking forward to more than any?

02:45:15.000 Holloway and Teporia.

02:45:16.000 Yeah.

02:45:17.000 That's the one for me.

02:45:19.000 When is that?

02:45:19.000 That's October.

02:45:21.000 That's Abu Dhabi, right?

02:45:22.000 Yeah, October.

02:45:23.000 That's the one, son.

02:45:24.000 26. That's the one for me.

02:45:27.000 Because I see that fight, I go, I don't fucking know.

02:45:29.000 I love a fight where I don't fucking know.

02:45:32.000 I know.

02:45:33.000 A lot of people would have counted out him on the Gaethje fight.

02:45:36.000 Shit, I thought Gaethje was going to beat him.

02:45:38.000 Insane.

02:45:39.000 And now you're giving him a lot of time to prepare and get ready for this fight?

02:45:44.000 And then Hamzat and Whitaker, is that going to happen?

02:45:48.000 Is that going to happen?

02:45:50.000 If he's not sick again.

02:45:51.000 This is a nice fucking card though.

02:45:53.000 It's a great card.

02:45:53.000 It is a good card.

02:45:55.000 Jeff Neal over RDA. I didn't know that was happening.

02:45:59.000 Armin Petrosian and Magomedov.

02:46:02.000 Ooh.

02:46:04.000 Yeah, that's some good fights on that card.

02:46:06.000 They bust out.

02:46:09.000 Anybody who celebrates Ramadan on that card.

02:46:11.000 Yeah.

02:46:13.000 Get in there.

02:46:14.000 Get in there.

02:46:15.000 Come on, bro.

02:46:17.000 That main event is so unpredictable.

02:46:20.000 Like, Toporia, everybody he hits goes night-night.

02:46:24.000 I know.

02:46:24.000 Everybody he hits.

02:46:25.000 He's fucking...

02:46:26.000 Max is hard to hit.

02:46:27.000 Very hard.

02:46:28.000 And Max got a chin on him too.

02:46:30.000 And he's got a gas tank.

02:46:31.000 And Max got that new sneaky spinning back kick while he's stepping away.

02:46:34.000 Yeah, it was working, right?

02:46:35.000 That might have been a game changer, man.

02:46:37.000 Bro, it's a game changer.

02:46:37.000 That landed at the end of that first round.

02:46:40.000 Smashed his nose.

02:46:40.000 Changed the fight.

02:46:43.000 Changed the fight.

02:46:43.000 And it was a skill that he really didn't use a lot earlier in his career.

02:46:46.000 Yeah, I know.

02:46:47.000 And he had it all of a sudden dialed in.

02:46:49.000 It was crazy.

02:46:51.000 And it was a hard one to do because he's moving away.

02:46:53.000 It was like a hop-away spin to the face.

02:46:56.000 And talk about a hero fucking ending to that fucking fight.

02:47:00.000 I don't think there's another fight that ended like that.

02:47:03.000 You wouldn't believe that if it was in a movie.

02:47:05.000 Right.

02:47:05.000 Like, shut up.

02:47:06.000 Right.

02:47:06.000 Shut up with your stupid head, right?

02:47:08.000 A fight that is clearly ahead.

02:47:09.000 He fucking takes that chance of going to the floor.

02:47:13.000 Clearly ahead.

02:47:13.000 Yeah.

02:47:13.000 With a guy you know throws hammers.

02:47:15.000 Yeah.

02:47:15.000 You know?

02:47:16.000 And he's been dropped in that fight already.

02:47:18.000 Right.

02:47:18.000 He got dropped.

02:47:19.000 The way he ended.

02:47:20.000 Legit dropped.

02:47:20.000 With him face planted.

02:47:21.000 Oh.

02:47:22.000 It's the stuff of legends.

02:47:23.000 Yeah.

02:47:23.000 And the fact that it's for the BMF belt, what a perfect fight for the BMF belt.

02:47:27.000 That's the perfect fight.

02:47:29.000 100%.

02:47:29.000 And it's crazy because I'm sitting right behind you guys and I'm watching you guys.

02:47:33.000 It's like natural reactions.

02:47:34.000 It's such a natural reaction.

02:47:36.000 And I know you guys take a lot of shit and they make memes about you guys, but watching you do it in those moments is the best thing ever.

02:47:43.000 You don't even know what's happening.

02:47:44.000 I think that was the first fight I ever stood up.

02:47:47.000 I got out of my chair.

02:47:48.000 I couldn't take it.

02:47:50.000 I literally couldn't take it.

02:47:52.000 I couldn't take it.

02:47:54.000 I can't be sitting down.

02:47:55.000 I had to stand up.

02:47:57.000 Anik too.

02:47:58.000 Anik doesn't stand up very often either, I don't think.

02:48:00.000 I couldn't sit down.

02:48:02.000 I was like, I can't believe I just saw that.

02:48:04.000 I can't believe that was real.

02:48:05.000 And then when Max is walking around going, rah!

02:48:09.000 Fucking wild, man.

02:48:10.000 That was wild.

02:48:11.000 Max be giving us some moments, right?

02:48:14.000 He might be my all-time favorite fighter.

02:48:16.000 Myself and Dean Thomas were there.

02:48:18.000 Not a lot of people were there alive.

02:48:19.000 I think it was in Abu Dhabi.

02:48:20.000 When he's a calvicator and he's looking away, he's like, I'm the best boxer!

02:48:24.000 He takes him in the face.

02:48:26.000 I still gave him the second fight with Volkanovski.

02:48:30.000 So you go back and think.

02:48:32.000 Imagine if he wins and that he doesn't go through this skid.

02:48:36.000 You know, and you see, oh, the Calvin Cater fight was brutal.

02:48:38.000 He changed Calvin Cater's career.

02:48:40.000 He changed Calvin Cater's career in that fight.

02:48:42.000 That was a bad beating.

02:48:44.000 It was a bad beating.

02:48:45.000 And it was kind of...

02:48:47.000 Should have never talked shit to him.

02:48:50.000 And this is the apex, right?

02:48:52.000 No, this is Abu Dhabi.

02:48:53.000 Oh, that's right.

02:48:54.000 But no audience, right?

02:48:56.000 That's why.

02:48:56.000 Boom!

02:48:57.000 Look at that.

02:48:58.000 He's not even looking at him and avoiding all the punches.

02:49:01.000 That's the worst.

02:49:06.000 The other thing about Max, too, is that fucking gas tank.

02:49:09.000 That gas tank is a weapon.

02:49:10.000 It's a weapon, man.

02:49:12.000 The volume in the gas tank.

02:49:14.000 It's a weapon.

02:49:16.000 And that power's legit, too.

02:49:18.000 Max seems to be even more powerful at 55 than he is at 45. That's what I thought.

02:49:23.000 But my question is, does he maintain that when he gets down to 45?

02:49:26.000 Like, how hard's that cut?

02:49:28.000 Especially when he went up to 55. He's got plenty of time to kind of time it out.

02:49:32.000 Right.

02:49:32.000 So I think it's going to help him.

02:49:33.000 I hope so.

02:49:35.000 I would not want to see him drained at all if he's fighting Ilya.

02:49:39.000 Because Ilya will expose you.

02:49:41.000 Has he at long?

02:49:42.000 No, his hands.

02:49:43.000 I know.

02:49:43.000 You see the video of him hitting in mitts?

02:49:45.000 I saw his, even his brother hit like that.

02:49:48.000 Really?

02:49:49.000 I watched his brother hit mitts and I was like, God damn.

02:49:52.000 Bro, he hits mitts like a world champion boxer.

02:49:54.000 Yeah.

02:49:55.000 I was going to say, we haven't seen the other guy tested Ilya, but then again, in his opening fight, he got head kicked.

02:50:02.000 He got dinged.

02:50:03.000 And he came back like a fucking beast.

02:50:05.000 He did.

02:50:05.000 And stopped him in the next round.

02:50:07.000 Yeah.

02:50:08.000 But Ilya's hands are some of the most impressive hands in the sport.

02:50:11.000 No fat in his technique.

02:50:13.000 No wasted movements, man.

02:50:14.000 Well, then we'll see who's I was getting ready to say, you're going to find out.

02:50:17.000 This is good, Jamie, but there's a video that's recently on his Instagram that's fucking insane because he's going full clip trying to show off.

02:50:26.000 He's working here.

02:50:27.000 It's all good.

02:50:28.000 But see if you can find the clip that's on his Instagram page.

02:50:32.000 His Instagram has an insane video of him just cracking mitts.

02:50:37.000 We played it on the podcast the other day, remember?

02:50:38.000 I just didn't know.

02:50:40.000 Yeah, that's it right there.

02:50:41.000 Give me some volume so you can hear this shit.

02:50:50.000 Yeah, that's clean.

02:50:51.000 Crispy.

02:50:52.000 Clean.

02:50:54.000 Everything.

02:50:55.000 No wasted motion, man.

02:50:56.000 But here's the thing with Max is Max's movement.

02:50:58.000 Oh, yeah.

02:50:59.000 Like, Max ain't gonna be there for that.

02:51:00.000 Nope.

02:51:00.000 Yeah, Max can't be there for that.

02:51:02.000 Tall as fuck.

02:51:03.000 Yeah.

02:51:03.000 Yeah, and if Max can catch him and hurt him the way Jai Herbert did, you know, something sneaky.

02:51:08.000 And you know Max is prepping, right?

02:51:10.000 He's watching that guy like a hawk.

02:51:11.000 Does Volkanovsky have anything else on the radar?

02:51:13.000 No.

02:51:15.000 No.

02:51:15.000 I think they're waiting to see what happens.

02:51:18.000 Poor Volk.

02:51:19.000 I mean, that person would like to see him rest a little bit anyway.

02:51:22.000 I would 100% want to see him rest a lot.

02:51:25.000 I think after those two...

02:51:27.000 He should have never taken a 10 days notice fight with Islam.

02:51:30.000 Never.

02:51:31.000 Never, never, never, never.

02:51:32.000 Don't do it.

02:51:33.000 I don't care how much it's tempting.

02:51:35.000 And then immediately, three months later, he fights Topuria?

02:51:38.000 After he gets KO'd with a head kick?

02:51:40.000 That seems crazy.

02:51:41.000 As soon as I saw that fight, I was like, Are you kidding me, man?

02:51:46.000 No, he was in there for five rounds with him.

02:51:48.000 He was probably, you know, before that, he probably felt like, you know, I felt it before.

02:51:52.000 I felt it.

02:51:53.000 I've seen what's coming.

02:51:54.000 You know, he took a risk.

02:51:56.000 Look, I don't begrudge him for taking that shot.

02:51:58.000 I think the second fight was even the bigger mistake because you had just been flatlined.

02:52:03.000 And now you've got to cut back down and go back out there on such short notice.

02:52:07.000 Right, but no other sport would want a champion to go in there and fight for a title with 10 days notice.

02:52:13.000 They would never ask you to do that anywhere else.

02:52:15.000 That would never happen in boxing.

02:52:17.000 It's never going to happen in a million years of boxing.

02:52:20.000 For sure.

02:52:21.000 Never.

02:52:21.000 And it shouldn't.

02:52:22.000 They take advantage of MMA guys because they know we crazy.

02:52:25.000 Right.

02:52:26.000 That's part of it.

02:52:28.000 Plus, all the fighters are still under your control under contract.

02:52:32.000 It's a bit of a problem.

02:52:33.000 That's a bit of a problem.

02:52:35.000 But also, Volkanovski, he had the choice.

02:52:38.000 He's a warrior.

02:52:40.000 He's a savage.

02:52:40.000 He's going to go do it.

02:52:41.000 Yeah, he's a savage.

02:52:42.000 We crazy.

02:52:43.000 In hindsight, it was a bad idea, but in his mind, he's thinking, this is an opportunity for me to become a legend.

02:52:49.000 Yeah, of course.

02:52:50.000 Hindsight's always 20-20.

02:52:51.000 Trying to build his legacy.

02:52:52.000 Of course.

02:52:52.000 And look, that's what Aspinall did and he won the title.

02:52:55.000 Right, exactly.

02:52:56.000 So had that been different for Aspinall, we'd have been like, oh, he shouldn't have took that fight.

02:53:00.000 Exactly.

02:53:01.000 He's fighting Pavlov.

02:53:02.000 That guy's an animal.

02:53:03.000 Yeah.

02:53:04.000 How's he fighting Pavlich with fucking...

02:53:06.000 What did he have?

02:53:07.000 Like, how many days notice did he have?

02:53:08.000 It was like seven days.

02:53:09.000 Seven days notice.

02:53:10.000 And a fucked up rib.

02:53:11.000 Couldn't wrestle.

02:53:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:53:13.000 Yeah.

02:53:14.000 It's a wild sport.

02:53:16.000 Sometimes guys step in on short notice and it's exciting and they win.

02:53:21.000 The key is never get out of shape.

02:53:24.000 I think with Volkanovski, he was drinking a lot.

02:53:29.000 You saw physically how he looked for the second Islam fight.

02:53:33.000 It was dad bod instead of him looking right.

02:53:37.000 I would never take it.

02:53:38.000 Back in the day, too, I need my camp.

02:53:41.000 I would never.

02:53:41.000 Because you should be peaking at the right time.

02:53:44.000 100%.

02:53:45.000 So you can say, when people are like, well, you should always be fight ready.

02:53:48.000 But yeah, but that's easier said than done.

02:53:50.000 You could always be in shape, but that's not fight shape.

02:53:53.000 And you don't know that until you're fucking back into sparring.

02:53:55.000 Then you're like, ah!

02:53:56.000 I thought abs, but holy fuck!

02:53:58.000 I think if you're always about four weeks out, that's probably about the right distance.

02:54:02.000 Right, and you get ten days notice, you might be able to pull it out.

02:54:05.000 You might be able to pull that out.

02:54:06.000 And if you maintain a respectable level of cardio, but if you're Volk and you're drinking cheeseburgers, and then you've got to lose all that fucking weight.

02:54:16.000 Nah, I used to be a fatty between shit, too.

02:54:20.000 When you're staying away from the pizza and pasta for two months, you're like, oh.

02:54:24.000 Well, everybody says that they develop an eating disorder.

02:54:26.000 How about Patty?

02:54:27.000 Yeah.

02:54:28.000 Patty's the baddie.

02:54:30.000 That's a real eating disorder.

02:54:31.000 Those cheeks on him, he gets huge.

02:54:33.000 He goes hard.

02:54:34.000 He gained 40 pounds in a week.

02:54:35.000 God damn.

02:54:37.000 What about when he's retired eventually?

02:54:40.000 Oh, he's going to be Butterbean.

02:54:42.000 Yeah.

02:54:43.000 He already beat right between fights.

02:54:45.000 It's crazy.

02:54:46.000 Butterbean with that crazy hair.

02:54:47.000 That's him.

02:54:48.000 That's him.

02:54:49.000 He does it proudly, too.

02:54:50.000 He don't give a fuck.

02:54:51.000 Bro, that Bobby Green fight was a big deal.

02:54:53.000 That was a big deal.

02:54:54.000 Yeah, that was a big deal.

02:54:57.000 The way he did that was beautiful, man.

02:54:58.000 Kept him at kicking range.

02:54:59.000 And I didn't expect Bobby to shoot, but the second he did, Paddy's got nice jiu-jitsu.

02:55:04.000 Very sharp off his back.

02:55:06.000 And the other thing was, you notice how big he looked, because Bobby's big.

02:55:10.000 Bobby's not a small 55er, and you realize, damn, he might underestimate how big Paddy is at 55. He's fucking pretty big.

02:55:17.000 Those kicks were good.

02:55:19.000 He's not a bad fighter.

02:55:21.000 Bobby's a very good stand-up fighter.

02:55:23.000 Did Bobby get his legs lit up that quick?

02:55:25.000 That was a big deal.

02:55:26.000 I expected to see him get tested and he wasn't tested at all.

02:55:30.000 He got an A+. But do you think he's ready for the top guys now?

02:55:34.000 Would you put him in there with an Armand Sarukian?

02:55:37.000 I put him in there with the winner of Moicano and Saint-Denis.

02:55:43.000 Oh, that's a good fight.

02:55:44.000 Yeah.

02:55:45.000 Winner Moicano.

02:55:46.000 Funny Moicano, baby.

02:55:47.000 Yeah, put him in there with one of them guys.

02:55:48.000 I would love to see him fight Moicano.

02:55:50.000 Moicano's been going more with his jiu-jitsu lately.

02:55:53.000 Moicano's got really good jiu-jitsu.

02:55:55.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:55:56.000 I saw him ball up Chase Hooper.

02:55:58.000 In a grappling tournament.

02:55:59.000 He brought him up.

02:56:01.000 And how good is that fucking post-fight interview?

02:56:03.000 He's the best.

02:56:05.000 Give me my fucking money!

02:56:07.000 He's funny.

02:56:07.000 He is.

02:56:08.000 He's on his podcast.

02:56:09.000 He's funny.

02:56:10.000 This guy's a character all of a sudden.

02:56:11.000 He's good.

02:56:12.000 Well, he figured it out, man.

02:56:14.000 You know, some guys figure it out.

02:56:15.000 Like, Colby had to figure it out.

02:56:16.000 He did it his way.

02:56:17.000 Everybody figures it out.

02:56:19.000 You figure it out to be a twat.

02:56:21.000 everybody's a retard but there's certain things once you get into fam the second he spoke about Leon Edwards dead father it shows you that he's a fucking piece of shit Kobe you're a fucking piece of shit dude I'm down for none of that when Connor was talking about Poirier's wife come on man that's like I'm finding you on the street

02:56:45.000 that's why it's so interesting that a guy like Perea gets as high as he gets with none of that.

02:56:52.000 Zero.

02:56:52.000 Well, I mean, it's proof that you don't need it.

02:56:55.000 You don't need to cross that line.

02:56:57.000 You just need to fuck people up.

02:56:58.000 You don't even need to speak English.

02:56:59.000 He's got a good social media presence there.

02:57:02.000 Like, he shows a sense of humor, you know what I mean, on social media, so I think that endears people to him as well.

02:57:08.000 Bro, and that thing he did when he kicked the soccer ball and then hit it with an arrow?

02:57:12.000 Do you know how hard that is to do?

02:57:13.000 Wait, what'd he do?

02:57:14.000 He kicked a soccer ball and then shot it with an arrow.

02:57:18.000 So he kicks it...

02:57:19.000 Oh, he really shoots arrows?

02:57:20.000 I thought he was just fucking around.

02:57:21.000 No, no, he's really good, man.

02:57:23.000 He's really good at that.

02:57:24.000 That guy's right out of the Amazon, that motherfucker.

02:57:26.000 But he does that kind of archery.

02:57:28.000 I don't even do that kind of archery.

02:57:29.000 I do archery with releases and fucking everything.

02:57:32.000 It's like this.

02:57:35.000 He nails it.

02:57:36.000 And that's before he beat Adesanya.

02:57:38.000 Listen, give me some volume on this.

02:57:39.000 Because when he screams, imagine being the neighbor and hearing this.

02:57:42.000 Here, he hits it.

02:57:46.000 Imagine being the neighbor.

02:57:48.000 I'm calling 911 right away.

02:57:51.000 Get this guy out of here.

02:57:53.000 And then you watch him on pay-per-view and like, oh Jesus Christ, you can't even complain.

02:57:58.000 You can't even say, hey man, I'm trying to take it now.

02:58:01.000 That's pretty sick.

02:58:03.000 Yeah, some guys don't need it.

02:58:04.000 They don't need that extra fucking whatever it is.

02:58:07.000 Well, he's got the swag with him as just the stoic warrior coming out and shooting an arrow at you and screaming.

02:58:13.000 Well, I mean, at the end of the day, like, people are attracted to violence.

02:58:17.000 Yeah.

02:58:18.000 And at the end, like, even Robbie Lawler, like, people love Robbie, and he never said, he hated doing it.

02:58:22.000 It was the violence that attracted people.

02:58:25.000 Talking about wars, him and both Rory McDonald fights.

02:58:30.000 Oh, my God.

02:58:30.000 Him and Carlos Kahn.

02:58:31.000 Oh, my God.

02:58:32.000 Right?

02:58:33.000 Him and Melvin Manhoof.

02:58:34.000 Remember that?

02:58:35.000 That was a one-way ass-whipping until he uncorked.

02:58:39.000 Uncorked a fucking bomb.

02:58:42.000 That was crazy.

02:58:43.000 He was kicking Robbie's leg so bad it was lifting his leg up in the air.

02:58:47.000 He's probably having flashbacks of Pete Spratt.

02:58:50.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

02:58:51.000 Remember that?

02:58:52.000 People forgot about Pete Spratt.

02:58:53.000 He was a good striker.

02:58:55.000 Very good striker.

02:58:56.000 Dude.

02:58:56.000 What a crazy time this sport has gone through.

02:58:59.000 In all these years, this fight was so horrible to watch, man.

02:59:02.000 These guys were so busted up.

02:59:03.000 Look at Rory's nose.

02:59:06.000 It's gone.

02:59:07.000 It's just flattened.

02:59:09.000 That's how it ends.

02:59:09.000 He just can't take it anymore.

02:59:13.000 His head split open, his lips split open.

02:59:15.000 Yeah, his lips hanging off.

02:59:17.000 This is easily the best fight of all time, right?

02:59:21.000 I'm certainly in the conversation.

02:59:23.000 Robbie, he left nice.

02:59:25.000 He knocked out, I forgot who he finished.

02:59:27.000 Nico Price.

02:59:28.000 And then he went off to the sunset.

02:59:30.000 And he knocked him out without taking a shot.

02:59:33.000 And that's so easy to say, I want one more after that.

02:59:36.000 But he's going to be a great coach too, and I'm sure he is.

02:59:39.000 But he's also a guy like, you want that guy to be proud of you.

02:59:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:59:43.000 It's Robbie Law.

02:59:44.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:59:45.000 There's something to that if you're getting coached by a guy like that.

02:59:48.000 Look at his face, man.

02:59:49.000 Look at that.

02:59:49.000 Stay in school, kids.

02:59:50.000 Yeah.

02:59:51.000 There you go.

02:59:52.000 You better really know what you want if you're going to do this for a living.

02:59:55.000 Yeah, dude.

02:59:56.000 And you got to look across and see that shit?

02:59:58.000 Right, yeah.

02:59:59.000 This guy's got a fucking joker smile on him.

03:00:01.000 He's ready to go to war for the fucking final round.

03:00:04.000 What a sick fight.

03:00:05.000 Ah, shit.

03:00:06.000 We've seen some wild fights, boys.

03:00:08.000 We're going to see some wild ones this weekend.

03:00:09.000 Yeah, I'm excited.

03:00:10.000 I don't know what's going to happen in the main event.

03:00:12.000 I know you're partial to Merab, but I just don't know what's going to happen.

03:00:16.000 I'm very interested.

03:00:17.000 Very interested.

03:00:18.000 He gets past that first round.

03:00:20.000 He's got to keep them hands up.

03:00:21.000 He hits one clinch.

03:00:22.000 Yeah.

03:00:22.000 It's going to be very interesting.

03:00:23.000 They're saying he needs one shot.

03:00:25.000 I'm saying Merab needs one clinch.

03:00:26.000 Not to end the fight, but to do enough damage.

03:00:28.000 I feel like Sugar is a better striker than Marlon.

03:00:31.000 And Marlon had Merab in trouble.

03:00:33.000 And that's what gives me pause on the feet.

03:00:35.000 Like, you can only take so many of those sniper shots from Sugar.

03:00:38.000 But can he land them?

03:00:40.000 And can Merab keep moving and keep threatening and pressure?

03:00:44.000 You know...

03:00:45.000 The argument is, there's one guy who's going to win by taking him down and smashing him, and the other guy's going to win by knocking him out on the feet, and we don't know what's going to play out.

03:00:54.000 It's going to be interesting.

03:00:55.000 It's going to be fucking phenomenal.

03:00:57.000 The thing that I think that Sean does well, like he got Aljo with it, is, I mean, you know Rob's going to be pressuring because he has to beat him.

03:01:08.000 Sean took out Aljo backing up.

03:01:11.000 You know what I mean?

03:01:13.000 A lot of guys can't fight moving backwards.

03:01:15.000 He does have the ability to fight moving backwards.

03:01:18.000 He's also a great game planner.

03:01:20.000 Him and Tim Welch have a great relationship.

03:01:22.000 They study shit.

03:01:23.000 They find holes.

03:01:25.000 You know, they knew that Aljo has this tendency to get a little over-anxious and charge in, and he was ready for that.

03:01:32.000 I'm just interested to see if he can capitalize, because if he can't, if Merab can get a hold of him, Merab's just a different kind of Wolverine on top of you.

03:01:39.000 I think he needs one round, mushing him in the fence, just wear him out, kind of like GSP did with BJ. Wear him out a little bit, slow him down a little bit, and then you can put the pace on him.

03:01:50.000 It's going to be very exciting.

03:01:51.000 Some guys are afraid of extending too much energy on a takedown.

03:01:57.000 He's not going to.

03:01:58.000 And that same energy you felt in the first, you're going to feel in the fifth.

03:02:02.000 That's what we're dealing with.

03:02:04.000 I'm rooting for Marab.

03:02:06.000 I like him.

03:02:06.000 I think he's great.

03:02:07.000 Having a gas tank is such a weapon.

03:02:10.000 It's another weapon in the arsenal.

03:02:11.000 It really is.

03:02:13.000 Might be the most important, because what's the difference what you know if you can't get out there and apply it?

03:02:17.000 And Maram's one of them nutty dudes at Spars up until the day of the fight, right?

03:02:22.000 I've seen that guy clocking rounds.

03:02:24.000 That was just ridiculous.

03:02:26.000 I'm like, wait, he already did five rounds?

03:02:27.000 Why is he going back?

03:02:28.000 It's insane what he does.

03:02:29.000 It's not normal.

03:02:30.000 And...

03:02:32.000 And again, I think that if he doesn't get caught with that perfect shot, he's a hard guy to put away.

03:02:39.000 And he's not going to stop.

03:02:40.000 He's a little Terminator.

03:02:41.000 And he also knows this is his big moment.

03:02:43.000 Yeah.

03:02:44.000 Also, the pressure is not going to...

03:02:47.000 He's not...

03:02:48.000 I've already...

03:02:49.000 When he was going to fight the P.D. On...

03:02:51.000 When he had that P.D. On fight, before that fight got on the table, when they were talking about it, he told me...

03:02:58.000 I was like, I don't know.

03:02:59.000 He didn't...

03:02:59.000 Until he accepted it, he was like, There's so much pressure in this fight.

03:03:04.000 He goes, you know, the history between Georgia and Russia, he goes, this is not just a fight for me.

03:03:10.000 If I lose this, he was so, the pressure was so much, I can't even tell you.

03:03:15.000 That's one of my proudest things.

03:03:17.000 When he took that fight and the way he handled it, he was different in that fight.

03:03:21.000 Even the lead up, he's calling him a bitch.

03:03:23.000 He's dealing with the Russian bully.

03:03:25.000 And so when he won that...

03:03:27.000 That was like the title fight for me.

03:03:29.000 He whooped his ass, too.

03:03:30.000 It was a dominant performance.

03:03:32.000 That was a wake-up call for everybody in the division.

03:03:35.000 He can do that to Jan.

03:03:37.000 Jan's a strong motherfucker, man.

03:03:39.000 And Rob was able to stand with guys like Jan and things, so he's definitely not...

03:03:44.000 He's definitely not incapable there.

03:03:46.000 No, he can fuck you up on the feet, too.

03:03:48.000 And that's part of the problem with the guy who's trying to take you down all the time.

03:03:51.000 You're always ready for that.

03:03:52.000 And then these bombs are coming your way.

03:03:54.000 Get off a few.

03:03:55.000 But Sean is such a fucking sniper, and he's so agile.

03:03:59.000 His movement is crazy.

03:04:02.000 Switching stances, fighting just as good off the left as off the right.

03:04:05.000 You can switch stances in the middle of a combination, choose angles.

03:04:09.000 It's just, can he keep that fucking animal off of him?

03:04:11.000 And they're both extremely confident.

03:04:14.000 I love that shit.

03:04:19.000 It's exciting.

03:04:20.000 It's a real clash of styles.

03:04:22.000 So many fucking good fights these days, man.

03:04:25.000 What a good time to be a fan, right?

03:04:27.000 Fuck yeah, man.

03:04:28.000 We're spoiled.

03:04:29.000 We're so spoiled.

03:04:30.000 The most.

03:04:32.000 I mean, and boxing's making a little comeback, too.

03:04:34.000 Oh, yeah!

03:04:34.000 Once Gervonta and Ryan Garcia got it on, now it seems like they're starting to make some more fights.

03:04:40.000 Well, the Saudis.

03:04:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:04:42.000 They added all the money.

03:04:43.000 Let's go!

03:04:44.000 They're bringing the money.

03:04:45.000 What do you think of them?

03:04:46.000 I mean, are they really doing Canelo for 20 bucks or something?

03:04:49.000 You saw what they were saying?

03:04:51.000 On the pay-per-view?

03:04:52.000 It's only $20?

03:04:53.000 Don't quote me, but the prince who runs that Riyadh stuff said he's going to make all pay-per-views $20 because he believes that it would make it more, expose it to more people, grow the audience, we'd still make money, and everybody will be able to watch it.

03:05:09.000 I wonder how many more people would buy it if it's $20 rather than $70.

03:05:12.000 They might make their money.

03:05:13.000 I mean, it's what he's saying.

03:05:15.000 He said he might even do Canelo for free.

03:05:18.000 He said if it was that cheap that people would stop pirating.

03:05:22.000 They might.

03:05:23.000 $70 is a lot.

03:05:25.000 Isn't it $79?

03:05:27.000 Sometimes it's more than that.

03:05:30.000 It's a lot.

03:05:31.000 If it's $20, I wonder.

03:05:33.000 It'd be an interesting thing to try.

03:05:35.000 Yeah.

03:05:37.000 I didn't know they were going to start with Canelo.

03:05:38.000 I thought they were starting with Betterbeef, but that's a fight.

03:05:42.000 And nobody even knows.

03:05:44.000 They were talking about doing that for like 15 bucks.

03:05:46.000 Nobody even knows about them.

03:05:47.000 They should know these two.

03:05:49.000 I know.

03:05:50.000 I mean, they're both sick, sick boxers.

03:05:52.000 Isn't Betterbeef 20-0 with 20 knockouts?

03:05:53.000 Yeah.

03:05:54.000 Yeah.

03:05:55.000 But he's 39. I don't even watch the fucking boxing, to be honest.

03:05:57.000 I can't watch it after the MMA. I just watch the fights.

03:06:01.000 It's hard for me.

03:06:01.000 I mean, I pick my spots.

03:06:03.000 Yeah.

03:06:03.000 You ever see Ben Whitaker?

03:06:05.000 Who?

03:06:06.000 Ben Whittaker?

03:06:07.000 No, Ben Whittaker?

03:06:08.000 You know who Ben Whittaker is?

03:06:08.000 That dude who's got that crazy drunken style.

03:06:11.000 He's awesome.

03:06:12.000 He's awesome.

03:06:12.000 Big, tall, light heavyweight.

03:06:14.000 He's got this wild style.

03:06:15.000 90 bucks.

03:06:16.000 Hey, Canelo.

03:06:17.000 So much for you at $20, right?

03:06:19.000 Next time.

03:06:19.000 Oh, it's out there.

03:06:20.000 Next time, 20 bucks.

03:06:20.000 You can find the article.

03:06:22.000 That was 20. Joshua versus Dubois.

03:06:24.000 There you go.

03:06:25.000 After you pay for the pay-per-view.

03:06:26.000 It should be 15. Oh, that's a good deal.

03:06:28.000 So you pay for the pay-per-view and then other fights are 20 bucks.

03:06:31.000 20 bucks.

03:06:31.000 Oh, there you go.

03:06:32.000 That's a good deal.

03:06:32.000 Yeah, I think so.

03:06:33.000 All right, gentlemen, this was a lot of fun.

03:06:35.000 Oh, man.

03:06:36.000 So, Protect Your Neck, that's our new name.

03:06:37.000 Yeah, that's it?

03:06:38.000 That's it.

03:06:38.000 Way better than Cucks.

03:06:40.000 I think so.

03:06:41.000 But our chat group is still Cucks.

03:06:44.000 Change it!

03:06:45.000 Change it!

03:06:46.000 When that pops up, I get a kick out of that every time I say that.

03:06:49.000 I'm going to change it to protect your neck.

03:06:50.000 All right.

03:06:51.000 Gentlemen, tell everybody where they can see your new podcast, and thank you for doing it.

03:06:54.000 I'm very glad you're doing it.

03:06:55.000 Dude, thank you for pushing me and planting that seed in my mind.

03:06:58.000 The Matt Serra channel on YouTube...

03:07:01.000 Geeking Out with Matt Serra.

03:07:03.000 And I have a good time.

03:07:04.000 It's once a week.

03:07:05.000 You're going to see me, Phoenix Carnival, doing X-Men movies.

03:07:08.000 Me and Ray Longo talking about our top five gangster movies.

03:07:11.000 And you said it's on everything else, too?

03:07:13.000 It's on Spotify.

03:07:14.000 It's on YouTube.

03:07:15.000 Oh, there it is!

03:07:16.000 The first episode dropped today.

03:07:18.000 So I knew you was going to ask me this, so I had the Oscar award this shit.

03:07:22.000 Oh, man.

03:07:25.000 You can catch me at the Modern Roads in Hollywood, Florida, or you can catch me on MMA Today on SiriusXM's Fight Nation, Theoretically Speaking on ESPN West Palm, Fight Court on YouTube, Laura Sanko's One-on-One, and I'm also partnering with Valerie Energy Drinks.

03:07:43.000 My film brotherhood is making its way around the film festival circuit, and if you got beef with me, see me in the street.

03:07:51.000 I like the last part.

03:07:54.000 John Rallo.

03:07:55.000 Yep.

03:07:55.000 I have Ground Control back home.

03:07:57.000 Anybody looking to train any mixed martial arts, it's at B-More MMA. And also Shogun Fights, which we have another show coming up on October the 5th.

03:08:07.000 And I'm getting ready to open a gym, probably within a month or so, called Fit Factory.

03:08:11.000 So keep your eyes out for that.

03:08:13.000 Boom.

03:08:13.000 Beautiful.

03:08:14.000 All right, gentlemen.

03:08:15.000 Thank you very much.

03:08:15.000 This is always fun.

03:08:16.000 Good times.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 01, 2011

JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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