The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya

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00:00:12.000 What's up?

00:00:14.000 Good to see you, my friend.

00:00:15.000 What is the chain?

00:00:16.000 What does that stand for?

00:00:18.000 Engage.

00:00:18.000 This is my fightwear brand.

00:00:20.000 Ash Bell Castro started this.

00:00:22.000 He was one of the...

00:00:23.000 I'll say this. 0.98

00:00:24.000 He was one of the only guys who fucked with me before I really blew up. 0.88

00:00:29.000 So when I was fighting in China and I lost to Alex, they stopped giving me fights. 0.91

00:00:36.000 And I had, I think at the time, I was the highest paid foreign fighter in China at the time.

00:00:41.000 Probably not now anymore.

00:00:43.000 But then they stopped giving me fights.

00:00:44.000 And I was like, look, I have seven more fights on my contract.

00:00:47.000 Can I at least just get three?

00:00:48.000 I just need three because money was running out.

00:00:50.000 You know, the money I had saved up.

00:00:52.000 And then, yeah, I was down to my last one day, like $500.

00:00:57.000 And Eugene was holding pads for me.

00:00:59.000 You could see something was up.

00:01:00.000 And I just said, bro, I'm about to be broke, this and that, right, right, right.

00:01:03.000 And he said, don't worry.

00:01:04.000 Just leave it with me.

00:01:05.000 I get home.

00:01:07.000 I think I was on the toilet.

00:01:09.000 And he just goes, check your bank account.

00:01:11.000 And I'm sitting there just like, start crying.

00:01:14.000 And I call him.

00:01:14.000 He's like, no, don't thank me.

00:01:15.000 Thank Ash, who started Engage.

00:01:17.000 And I call Ash. 0.99

00:01:18.000 I'm taking a shit. 0.98

00:01:19.000 And I'm just like, thank you. 0.98

00:01:21.000 Thank you so much.

00:01:22.000 Like, honestly, just intense.

00:01:24.000 Because, you know, I mean, I've been there, like, Nothing and had everything and nothing again.

00:01:30.000 So for me, yeah, he's always been the guy that's been in my corner.

00:01:33.000 And me and Alex Volkanovski now, we've helped raise the brand, so we own part of the company.

00:01:38.000 So yeah, I like to rep the set.

00:01:39.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:01:40.000 Nice.

00:01:41.000 And I think Engage also was...

00:01:44.000 Last final three when they had the whole Reebok fiasco, it was Venom, Engage, and someone else.

00:01:50.000 I can't remember who else.

00:01:51.000 So we didn't get the gig, but it would have been nice though.

00:01:55.000 Oh, the UFC gig?

00:01:56.000 Yeah.

00:01:56.000 Engage fight kits for the fighters.

00:01:59.000 But now it's Venom fight kits.

00:02:01.000 Yeah, the whole fight kit thing is weird.

00:02:03.000 I really preferred it when fighters could have sponsors.

00:02:06.000 Condom depo on the back of your shorts.

00:02:07.000 I don't like that.

00:02:08.000 I mean, they should probably have some discretion.

00:02:11.000 I did like it though, and I do like the fact now, like the last fight I had, Hunter hit me up way before any gold gloves or anything.

00:02:20.000 He said, Izzy, we're going to do this for certain fighters.

00:02:22.000 What design would you like on your shorts?

00:02:24.000 And I was like, bet.

00:02:25.000 And I hit up Curtis, who works with Engage, does a lot of the designs, and I taught him what I wanted, and then he just did some custom stuff, and I sent a few to Hunter, and then boom, I got my shorts, the Lightning.

00:02:35.000 And I quite like that.

00:02:36.000 I like expression.

00:02:37.000 That's one thing I do miss about boxing or kickboxing is the expression on the Mong Kong, the arm bands, the shorts.

00:02:45.000 Like Jonathan Haggerty, he has cool shorts with golden bows on the side.

00:02:50.000 I like that.

00:02:51.000 It's cool.

00:02:52.000 I do too. 1.00

00:02:53.000 I don't like everybody has to wear the same shit. 0.99

00:02:55.000 I think maybe the UFC at the time they wanted to be... 0.99

00:03:00.000 Taken seriously in a sense.

00:03:01.000 So we have to like professional sports.

00:03:04.000 But nah, I think we're all different independent contractors and we have different styles.

00:03:09.000 So I'm glad now they've brought out for certain fighters like O'Malley in his pink shorts, Bryce Mitchell's camo shorts.

00:03:15.000 Yeah.

00:03:16.000 Let us express ourselves.

00:03:17.000 I like that, but I wish fighters had the ability to advertise.

00:03:21.000 Oh, big time.

00:03:22.000 Yeah.

00:03:22.000 That's big.

00:03:23.000 Sponsors on your shorts is a lot of money.

00:03:25.000 Like, Shaw was making more money from the sponsors than he was from his fight purse.

00:03:29.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:03:29.000 And there's a way to bring it back, I'm sure.

00:03:32.000 But even now, because they've got some...

00:03:34.000 You get some kickbacks, but it's better if you can just plastic Condom Depot and get $100,000 on the back of your shorts.

00:03:41.000 How much does Condom Depot pay, people?

00:03:43.000 I don't even know, but I used to think it was funny.

00:03:44.000 It was funny.

00:03:45.000 And the fact that it was on the back of the shorts, I'm like, that's placement, advertising.

00:03:49.000 Yeah.

00:03:49.000 I just feel like, you know, if they didn't like some because it didn't represent the sport, like Condom Depot, like, then just fucking, you know, have a list of ones that you agree to.

00:04:00.000 That's actually a good idea, like, say, approve sponsors, like these guys, or maybe they go through a check first.

00:04:06.000 Right.

00:04:06.000 You want to maybe advertise on the fighter shorts.

00:04:09.000 You have to go through this rigorous check.

00:04:10.000 What's your company?

00:04:12.000 You know, what do you guys sell?

00:04:13.000 Right, right, right, right.

00:04:15.000 And then, yeah, plastered on the shorts.

00:04:16.000 Get some money.

00:04:17.000 But I do like it when boxers wear cool shorts. 0.98

00:04:19.000 You know, they wear whatever the fuck they want. 0.98

00:04:21.000 I love it when Melvin Manhofer would wear those gladiator skirts. 1.00

00:04:25.000 Yeah, he was a badass.

00:04:27.000 I like tassels, though.

00:04:28.000 That's me.

00:04:28.000 One of my shorts, I always like tassels because when you kick, the way they shimmer, the way they look.

00:04:33.000 And it just, yeah, makes for cool picks.

00:04:35.000 Yeah.

00:04:36.000 That's just one of the things about the UFC. They want everything to be uniform and organized.

00:04:43.000 But again, now for certain fighters, they're changing it, which is good, but hopefully that trickles down.

00:04:48.000 I don't feel like anybody should be wearing shorts and grappling.

00:04:52.000 I feel like the temptation for...

00:04:54.000 Yeah, tights.

00:04:55.000 Temptation for grabbing is just too much.

00:04:57.000 And it does happen.

00:04:58.000 Yeah, I've seen it.

00:04:59.000 It happened to me even with the...

00:05:01.000 What's his name?

00:05:01.000 Brunson.

00:05:02.000 In the Brunson, he grabbed my tights.

00:05:04.000 And I was like, yo, that's two times you've done it now.

00:05:06.000 So it is tempting.

00:05:08.000 But I think tights would be the best way to fight.

00:05:10.000 But again, some guys have cool shorts.

00:05:13.000 And if that's their style, that's their style.

00:05:16.000 Because some people, I guess maybe they're body type. 1.00

00:05:18.000 Maybe they got no ass. 1.00

00:05:19.000 They don't want to be... 0.99

00:05:21.000 I got something back there, but like, I don't know, a guy like, I won't drop no names, but like, you know, wearing tights, you look like a fucking stick or something, yeah. 0.95

00:05:29.000 Yeah, you look a little flat. 0.96

00:05:30.000 Yeah.

00:05:31.000 Yeah.

00:05:31.000 That's what it is, though.

00:05:32.000 Yeah, it is what it is.

00:05:34.000 I mean, there's a lot of room for expression.

00:05:37.000 It's interesting to watch, like, all the different styles that people promote themselves as well.

00:05:42.000 You know, like, there's so many different ways now.

00:05:44.000 And then there's guys like Alex, who, you know, he doesn't even speak English, and he's risen to the top just based on performance.

00:05:51.000 But even the fact that he doesn't speak English, that's also his superpower, Sharma.

00:05:56.000 Right.

00:05:58.000 What do you think about that fight this weekend?

00:05:59.000 I can't wait.

00:06:00.000 I just did the breakdown for it.

00:06:01.000 We're about to drop it on YouTube now.

00:06:03.000 I am picking in this fight...

00:06:06.000 Alex.

00:06:08.000 Cuz I just think the momentum behind him right now is so big.

00:06:12.000 He's just got momentum.

00:06:14.000 Look, I was the most active champion in UFC history.

00:06:17.000 I think next to Alex Volkanovski as well.

00:06:19.000 He was right up there with me, or if not more than me.

00:06:22.000 I think Alex now is on his way to being the most active champ in UFC history because he's already saved this year, I think, two or three cards alone.

00:06:31.000 He's like stepped in and be like, yeah, Sharma.

00:06:33.000 Just does it, jumps in. 0.99

00:06:34.000 And he fights fucked up. 1.00

00:06:36.000 He fights injured. 1.00

00:06:37.000 Apparently his knee was really fucked up in the first Yuri Prohaska fight. 0.61

00:06:41.000 You know when he stopped Yuri and then he did like a forward roll off of Yuri? 0.96

00:06:47.000 He said he did that because he didn't trust standing on his right knee.

00:06:50.000 Oh, wow.

00:06:51.000 Momentum. 0.99

00:06:52.000 Yeah, his knee was fucked up. 0.99

00:06:53.000 It was fucked up in training camp, and so when he stepped off of him, he just decided to roll forward instead of putting weight on his right knee. 0.99

00:07:01.000 That's smart. 1.00

00:07:02.000 That's some parkour shit. 0.99

00:07:03.000 But again, that's what you have to do. 0.99

00:07:07.000 Look, when you get in the UFC, this is what I did as well.

00:07:09.000 He did it the right way.

00:07:10.000 Fight as much as possible.

00:07:12.000 Fight as much as possible so you can be in people's faces so they can see.

00:07:16.000 That guy just fought.

00:07:17.000 Oh, I just saw him fight last month.

00:07:19.000 And you fight as much as you can.

00:07:21.000 You get that momentum behind you.

00:07:22.000 And then you become champion.

00:07:24.000 You're that guy.

00:07:25.000 And then again, you just...

00:07:27.000 That momentum constantly.

00:07:28.000 You're in people's faces.

00:07:29.000 You're getting posted here.

00:07:30.000 And that's how you build a stock up.

00:07:32.000 So I've done that.

00:07:33.000 And he's doing it the right way as well.

00:07:34.000 And I think if he keeps going...

00:07:37.000 I hope he retires never getting defeated by anyone ever again.

00:07:40.000 Just you.

00:07:41.000 And the way you did it, too.

00:07:43.000 Oh my god.

00:07:44.000 That was one of the greatest celebrations of all time.

00:07:47.000 Look, it's the story behind it.

00:07:49.000 No matter what, it's just the history.

00:07:51.000 Because David even mentioned to me, my brother said, you know you're the only one that can actually stand with that guy.

00:07:57.000 No one's lasted more than two rounds or even a round with him.

00:08:00.000 And I thought about it during the breakdown like yeah, you're right and it's cuz I knew him I've fought that guy so many times and regardless of what happened I lost three times and I finally won one It was just the fact that I knew I could beat him every time I fought him.

00:08:15.000 I was just like I was I was beating him I thought you won the first one I felt so, too.

00:08:20.000 But then, that's, you know, the Chinese judges.

00:08:24.000 That's the kickboxing fight. 0.91

00:08:25.000 They gave it to him, and then the second fight in Brazil, under the same company, then he gets me.

00:08:29.000 But again, I was besting him.

00:08:32.000 Had him on skates. 1.00

00:08:32.000 He was fucking... 1.00

00:08:34.000 Bro, his spirit. 1.00

00:08:35.000 You know what Jerry said about the whole juju thing?

00:08:38.000 That's real.

00:08:40.000 That's real.

00:08:40.000 So the last time I fought him in Miami, look, he beats me.

00:08:43.000 That's why I hate when people say, oh, Izzy's scared.

00:08:45.000 He's scared. 1.00

00:08:45.000 It's like, bro, I ain't scared of shit. 1.00

00:08:47.000 The guy beat me in the biggest... 0.99

00:08:50.000 Arena on the planet, Madison Square Garden, same way as the last time he beat me in Brazil, in his hometown. 0.99

00:08:55.000 I was beating his ass, had him hurt in the end of the first round, all that shit, took him down, and then he gets me in the last round. 0.98

00:09:02.000 It's his spirit, his whatever, like, ancestors or his people that are praying for him, because I got prayer warriors as well. 1.00

00:09:09.000 My mom and dad be fasting, and they have people, like, in the spirit praying for me, but, like, the way he carries himself, something about him just...

00:09:17.000 He knows how to recover well.

00:09:19.000 So I just knew I could get him.

00:09:20.000 I could get him.

00:09:21.000 And then after that, he knocks me out in the biggest arena in the world. 1.00

00:09:23.000 And I'm just like, let's do that shit again, Dana. 1.00

00:09:27.000 Because I just knew. 1.00

00:09:28.000 I was like, I can get him.

00:09:29.000 And then that camp, I was so...

00:09:32.000 I went to a different place.

00:09:34.000 And that was the one I kind of mentioned.

00:09:36.000 I micro-dosed a little bit.

00:09:37.000 Oh, macro-dosed.

00:09:38.000 A lot.

00:09:41.000 And, like, I always say this, the shower is the most interesting place on the planet, I feel, because you have the element of water running over your body, stripped naked in your bare essentials.

00:09:51.000 You kind of have this, if it's a white shower, like a void, white space.

00:09:56.000 I can create a lot in there.

00:09:57.000 I can make a lot of things happen.

00:09:59.000 And, yeah, one time after one of my showers, I just wrote this thing on my mirror because I just had this premonition, like, this is where I get it done.

00:10:06.000 Like, there's no way...

00:10:07.000 You could beat me one time.

00:10:09.000 You could beat me two times.

00:10:10.000 You might beat me three times.

00:10:12.000 But I was like, nah, this guy's not going to beat me this time.

00:10:14.000 And I just knew I had to get this done. 0.99

00:10:16.000 And the way it happened as well, because first round I think I won, and second round I was winning, but then that fucking leg kick, bro. 0.99

00:10:24.000 You know what it is? 1.00

00:10:25.000 You look at his foot.

00:10:27.000 You look at this bit of his foot.

00:10:29.000 Mm-hmm.

00:10:30.000 It's like a hammer.

00:10:32.000 You know, like the back of a hammer, a hammer like a ball, it is, because that's what he kicks you with as well.

00:10:37.000 So he doesn't have to, excuse me, he doesn't have to turn the hip over.

00:10:41.000 Right.

00:10:41.000 And then when he hits you with that, even because he's bone density, long legs, and he hits you with that, you just feel it like, ooh.

00:10:49.000 That's bad.

00:10:49.000 And it's a different feeling.

00:10:51.000 Because I've been kicked by kickboxers all my life. 0.54

00:10:54.000 On the thigh.

00:10:55.000 On the calf as well.

00:10:57.000 But when he hits you with that bit, it's just the surface area so small.

00:11:00.000 But it travels and transfers through your whole calf.

00:11:02.000 And you're like, oh, I can't put weight on this.

00:11:04.000 It's so interesting, too, how he keeps his body completely square and he doesn't even really turn the hips.

00:11:10.000 Yeah.

00:11:10.000 And so it's so sneaky.

00:11:12.000 He doesn't have to because he's got so much bone density, so much whip from that little...

00:11:16.000 Mm-hmm.

00:11:17.000 And, yeah, it's dangerous.

00:11:19.000 And I think that's going to be a problem this weekend for Khalil.

00:11:24.000 But I don't know why Chael says he...

00:11:27.000 Did you hear about what Chael said?

00:11:28.000 Yeah, Chael said he thinks Khalil's going to knock him out.

00:11:31.000 That's possible.

00:11:33.000 But I just don't think he's...

00:11:35.000 It's possible, but I don't think he's going to get it done because all it takes is one.

00:11:40.000 From either side, but I just think Pereira right now has just got that momentum behind him and the frame because he's going to just avoid the shots Khalil's throwing because he's just got the long frame.

00:11:49.000 He'll get right out the way.

00:11:50.000 And I don't think Khalil has the reach to mess with him like that, so he might have to get inside, but...

00:11:56.000 Yeah, we'll see.

00:11:57.000 This is why Paper can't fight Paper.

00:11:58.000 They have to get in there and fight.

00:11:59.000 So we'll find out.

00:12:00.000 It's very interesting, because Khalil's so fast.

00:12:03.000 And Khalil's had experience with high-level kickboxers when he knocked out Gokhan Saki.

00:12:07.000 That was a big one.

00:12:08.000 Yeah.

00:12:08.000 That was a big one.

00:12:09.000 And that was like early on where everybody was like, oh shit, Gokhan Saki's finally in the UFC. And then, boom, Khalil just takes him out. 0.56

00:12:16.000 Yeah.

00:12:16.000 Khalil's fast.

00:12:17.000 He hits fucking hard. 1.00

00:12:19.000 And he throws, like, the thing that he did with Lionheart, he throws that off-speed shit sometimes. 1.00

00:12:24.000 He'll give you a little of this and then he jolts in on you. 0.99

00:12:28.000 That off-speed uppercut was nasty.

00:12:30.000 It's the looks.

00:12:31.000 It's like I'm here.

00:12:32.000 I'm almost Prince Nassim-esque, but different.

00:12:34.000 Just like looking, looking, bang.

00:12:37.000 But again, he's just violent.

00:12:38.000 Like when he smells blood, he just goes in.

00:12:40.000 Like I said, he beats you like you owe him money or something.

00:12:43.000 He's on you.

00:12:45.000 He's on you.

00:12:45.000 Yeah, very violent.

00:12:46.000 But again, I think Khalil, for him to win this fight, he just has to believe in himself.

00:12:51.000 That sounds real cheesy, but...

00:12:53.000 Believe in himself.

00:12:54.000 Also, he's a Southpaw.

00:12:55.000 I didn't think about that.

00:12:57.000 I actually forgot about that until David mentioned it before, but he's a Southpaw.

00:13:01.000 But I'm sure Alex and his team know how to deal with it.

00:13:03.000 But I understand how Alex deals with southpaws as well because I can fight him both ways. 0.99

00:13:08.000 When you give him that front leg and he knows he can get it, he gets more confident.

00:13:12.000 But if you're a southpaw, he finds other ways to keep you at bay until he can get that leg.

00:13:18.000 It's going to be interesting to see right away how Khalil deals with the distance and how Alex deals with the speed.

00:13:26.000 Because the thing is, Alex can be hit.

00:13:28.000 And Bruno Silva tagged him a few times.

00:13:31.000 You took him out.

00:13:33.000 I think the 85 thing was...

00:13:35.000 I think the drain for him to make 85 was insanity.

00:13:38.000 I think it was insanity. 1.00

00:13:39.000 He's so fucking big. 0.99

00:13:40.000 He still can. 0.99

00:13:41.000 He still can.

00:13:42.000 But look, it only works until you get knocked out and it's like, alright, bet.

00:13:46.000 Let's go to 205. And I said, look, all these 185ers should thank me, man. 1.00

00:13:51.000 Honestly, thank me, because a lot of the top guys didn't have to fight him.

00:13:55.000 He fought, okay, who did he fight?

00:13:57.000 Strickland.

00:13:58.000 Strickland, that was one of the only top guys he fought, beat him, and then I think he got a shot at me next, pretty much. 0.97

00:14:03.000 But yeah, fucking Rob, Drickus, all them, because it's not about just fighting him. 0.97

00:14:08.000 Getting ready to fight him is a different thing, but I had to do it fucking four times, so I understand. 0.98

00:14:14.000 What's different about getting ready to fight him? 0.90

00:14:17.000 For me, getting ready to fight him, you just know you're going to be in for a war.

00:14:20.000 You know it's not going to be an easy fight.

00:14:21.000 Same for him.

00:14:22.000 He knows when he has to fight me. 0.99

00:14:23.000 It's like, fuck, it's not an easy fight because he knows what I can do to him. 1.00

00:14:26.000 But for me as well, I was just like, fuck. 1.00

00:14:29.000 Okay, let's go again. 0.99

00:14:30.000 And again, it's not like...

00:14:31.000 Because I feel that way with certain people.

00:14:33.000 But with him, it's just a different feeling, I guess.

00:14:35.000 Because he beat me.

00:14:37.000 That's another thing. 1.00

00:14:37.000 And I was like, man, I gotta fucking face this demon again. 1.00

00:14:40.000 Alright, let's face my demons. 0.99

00:14:41.000 And I get myself up to fight him.

00:14:43.000 But it's just getting ready to fight him.

00:14:45.000 It's just the hurdle.

00:14:47.000 I think maybe just because of the history.

00:14:48.000 That's why for me I felt that way.

00:14:49.000 Because of the history.

00:14:50.000 Because to fight someone who's beaten you multiple times, it's like...

00:14:54.000 And you know you can beat them.

00:14:55.000 In your heart, you just know.

00:14:56.000 But again, that's the beauty of the story.

00:14:58.000 Right, you had come so close a couple of times.

00:15:01.000 Every time.

00:15:01.000 And then even in the first fight in the UFC, so close at the end of that first round.

00:15:05.000 Like, you had him.

00:15:06.000 If there was 30 seconds left in the fight, or in the round, yeah.

00:15:09.000 10 seconds left.

00:15:10.000 But again, that's the beauty of the story, because then he waited until the fifth round, or got to the fifth round, and he's just like... 0.99

00:15:15.000 Did his fucking juju, whatever thing, and then fucking... 0.92

00:15:19.000 He just had this energy, and he came at me, and then my leg was compromised from the leg kick because of the peroneal nerve or whatever, and I couldn't do anything. 0.99

00:15:27.000 So, yeah.

00:15:28.000 But look, I love that story for myself, and I'm happy.

00:15:31.000 And people still go, oh, we knew the third one.

00:15:34.000 I'm like, look...

00:15:35.000 I do it again. 0.99

00:15:36.000 I fucking knock him out. 0.99

00:15:37.000 Oh, no. 0.99

00:15:37.000 Okay, now it's 3-2. 0.99

00:15:38.000 We've got the best out of seven.

00:15:40.000 Right.

00:15:40.000 I'm not fighting for anyone else.

00:15:41.000 I only have so much left in this game.

00:15:43.000 I'm not going to spend this game fighting...

00:15:45.000 One guy.

00:15:45.000 Exactly.

00:15:46.000 Over and over and over again.

00:15:47.000 I don't know how long left, but I just know I'm definitely on the other side of my career, so I want to get these fights out of the way.

00:15:54.000 And now I'm not champ anymore in the UFC, so I'm in this situation where...

00:15:59.000 What do I do?

00:16:01.000 I know I want to fight though, because I took 11 months off, and I let my body heal and all that, and I felt great.

00:16:07.000 So now I want to get back to being active.

00:16:09.000 Not as active as I was in the beginning, maybe, but I want to be active, and I still feel great from the last camp.

00:16:15.000 Did some testing about three weeks ago, found out where we were at.

00:16:19.000 I was about where I was before this last fight four weeks out.

00:16:22.000 So I was like, okay, cool.

00:16:23.000 We're still good.

00:16:24.000 Let's build off that.

00:16:25.000 So, yeah, I want to fight again.

00:16:27.000 How much of an effect did taking 11 months off have?

00:16:30.000 I think it was more good than bad.

00:16:33.000 I know some people say ring rust or this and that, and I'm like, nah.

00:16:37.000 I felt good in there.

00:16:38.000 I felt good in there.

00:16:39.000 And it was only when I watched the fight back, I saw a couple of mistakes I made, even on the feet, where I was like, ooh, don't do that again.

00:16:47.000 Just with my feet work, my exits.

00:16:49.000 Even David said, you had sloppy exits.

00:16:50.000 I was like, yeah, my bad.

00:16:52.000 But yeah, that and then the moment at the end when I slipped and just the lapse in judgment when I was just letting him know it was me tripping.

00:17:01.000 Those kind of moments, maybe if I was as active, it wouldn't have happened, but who knows?

00:17:07.000 We'll never know.

00:17:08.000 But I am happy with how I performed.

00:17:10.000 I was happy with the shape I came in.

00:17:13.000 I came in really good shape.

00:17:15.000 And what's his name?

00:17:17.000 Bill.

00:17:18.000 This guy.

00:17:18.000 He did the numbers for me.

00:17:19.000 He said, this is the most active I've been in any fight by far in my UFC career.

00:17:24.000 He crunched the numbers up and said, my strike per minute rate or whatever.

00:17:29.000 All you nerds figure it out.

00:17:30.000 You can do your own.

00:17:31.000 But yeah.

00:17:32.000 Bill Smart.

00:17:32.000 He's this guy.

00:17:34.000 Helps me now with my strength.

00:17:35.000 He did the numbers and said, this is the most active you were.

00:17:38.000 So we can do some things different.

00:17:41.000 Put a little bit more gas in the tank.

00:17:43.000 Things like that.

00:17:43.000 And then just stay active like that.

00:17:45.000 It was good.

00:17:45.000 And I had fun in there.

00:17:46.000 I had fun just exchanging.

00:17:49.000 Yeah.

00:17:49.000 I wanted to ask you about that, the gas in the tank thing, because there's a philosophy that Marv Marinovich and Nick Kurson, some of these guys have.

00:17:58.000 BJ Penn's coaches?

00:17:59.000 Yeah.

00:17:59.000 So what they wanted BJ to do when BJ was in his prime, essentially the camp was entirely based around strength and conditioning.

00:18:10.000 So it was all conditioning to give you this insane gas tank.

00:18:13.000 Their philosophy is you know how to fight.

00:18:15.000 You've been fighting your whole life.

00:18:16.000 You're not going to get better at fighting in six weeks.

00:18:18.000 But what you can get is insane cardio if you only concentrate on that.

00:18:24.000 And their thought process is that is the most important thing.

00:18:29.000 That is the thing that fails you the most in fights.

00:18:32.000 That's the thing that keeps you from hitting the gas, keeps you from doing the things you want to do, keeps you from being able to scramble out of positions.

00:18:38.000 But if you can instead of all this fight specific training like put that aside and Just give yourself the most fucking insane gas tank humanly possible and then fight and then the Margins the things the times when you're going to need it like your skill level is already elite world championship skill level It's not going to deteriorate because your cardio gets better in six to eight weeks and But what you can do is give yourself this insane base of cardio.

00:19:06.000 So in those moments when you need to hit the gas, you can.

00:19:10.000 And that's what they did for BJ when BJ was at his best.

00:19:13.000 I think the best I saw BJ from watching him, especially live, He was training with them.

00:19:18.000 UFC 107, I think Diego Sanchez.

00:19:21.000 He looked like a demon in that fight.

00:19:23.000 Exactly.

00:19:24.000 Unbelievable gas tank and insane confidence.

00:19:27.000 Even in shape. 0.99

00:19:27.000 He was fucking abs and all that. 0.99

00:19:29.000 I agree. 0.99

00:19:30.000 Definitely.

00:19:31.000 You can always sharpen the tools.

00:19:32.000 Keep it sharp.

00:19:33.000 But again, when you're in a camp, it's just about getting fit.

00:19:38.000 And yeah, there's some things we can tweak so that way we can keep that output.

00:19:41.000 Because when you get...

00:19:42.000 Fatigued is when you lose your lapse in judgment.

00:19:47.000 Your reflexes as well.

00:19:49.000 Things like that just start to go down.

00:19:50.000 Were you feeling fatigued in the last round with Trickus?

00:19:53.000 I don't think so. 1.00

00:19:54.000 There was one point in the third round where me and him, we really put it on, and we kind of had this low-key agreement like, okay, you're fucked, I'm fucked. 0.99

00:20:03.000 Let's chill for a little bit. 0.98

00:20:07.000 And then I think round four, I came out like, cool, bam, bam, bam, and I did that sprawl on him.

00:20:12.000 But again, he's so stubborn, because I sprawled on him.

00:20:15.000 I literally, he shot, I sprawled, and my hips hit the back of his head into the mat. 1.00

00:20:21.000 Might have rocked him, I don't know.

00:20:23.000 And then, what's his name, Mark Goddard's like, get up, and he's on one knee.

00:20:27.000 And then when he was like, get up!

00:20:29.000 And he finally decided to get up slowly and I tried to attack him.

00:20:32.000 He just threw.

00:20:32.000 But not to try and hit me.

00:20:34.000 He just threw just to stop my momentum, you know, stop me from coming at him.

00:20:39.000 And yeah, he's a guy that just strong will, strong will.

00:20:43.000 Like, yeah, I can respect that.

00:20:46.000 Physically strong, too.

00:20:47.000 Yeah.

00:20:48.000 Not as strong as I thought it would be, probably because I felt strong as well.

00:20:51.000 Like, I packed on some muscle for that fight.

00:20:53.000 Preparing for those kind of grueling exchanges?

00:20:55.000 Yeah, but even just for me myself, I just wanted to feel strong.

00:20:58.000 So, me and my boy, AB, we put on some muscle for that fight, and then having Matt actually making good food for me for the first time ever, because I got this far off just...

00:21:08.000 Whatever I wanted to eat.

00:21:11.000 Yeah, we were talking about that when we went to Terry Black's barbecue today.

00:21:15.000 This is the worst thing to eat right before a podcast.

00:21:18.000 I got the coffee now.

00:21:19.000 I'm like, yeah, let's go.

00:21:20.000 But honestly, for me, Having those kind of...

00:21:25.000 Because I'm not 23 anymore, 24. My body doesn't metabolize food and the way it used to.

00:21:32.000 So I have to think about it like, Israel, be smart.

00:21:37.000 Understand your body's getting older.

00:21:40.000 I don't feel old, though.

00:21:41.000 That's the thing.

00:21:42.000 When I was young, I thought, 34, I'm done with this game.

00:21:46.000 Then I'm like, I'm old.

00:21:47.000 But that was when I was 24. But now that I'm here, I'm like...

00:21:53.000 I can still squeeze a lot out of this.

00:21:55.000 I can still squeeze a lot out of this.

00:21:56.000 So we are.

00:21:57.000 Do you ever use a hyperbaric chamber?

00:21:59.000 Nah, not yet.

00:22:00.000 I don't know if we have that in Auckland.

00:22:03.000 I did a whole series.

00:22:05.000 When I first moved to Austin, I did the whole series because there's this protocol.

00:22:08.000 I think it was an Israeli study that they did where they showed that it lengthens telomeres.

00:22:13.000 You do like 60 sessions over 90 days and...

00:22:18.000 You know when they measure your biological age by the length of your telomeres?

00:22:22.000 It puts 20 years on you.

00:22:24.000 It decreases your age of your telomeres by 20 years.

00:22:27.000 Is telomeres like the DNA strand or something?

00:22:30.000 Well, yeah.

00:22:32.000 I don't want to fuck this up.

00:22:33.000 So what exactly are telomeres?

00:22:35.000 Layman terms.

00:22:36.000 The way you measure someone's biological age is the length of the telomeres.

00:22:41.000 And through things like NMN. Yeah, that thing.

00:22:44.000 I got it right.

00:22:45.000 There it is.

00:22:46.000 Telomeres are protein and DNA structures at the ends of the chromosomes that perform several important functions, including protecting DNA, preserving chromosomal integrity.

00:22:56.000 Telomeres help maintain the structure and integrity of DNA during replication.

00:23:01.000 It's the bit at the ends, right?

00:23:02.000 Mm-hmm.

00:23:03.000 Yeah.

00:23:03.000 And as you get older, they get shorter.

00:23:04.000 Smaller, yeah.

00:23:04.000 And they get weaker.

00:23:06.000 I don't even know how I know this.

00:23:07.000 I think it's just a reel.

00:23:08.000 I saw somewhere.

00:23:09.000 NAD shot.

00:23:10.000 When people get NAD infusions, that helps that as well.

00:23:13.000 I've been seeing that lately.

00:23:14.000 Yeah.

00:23:15.000 Like Bieber, the Kardashians getting...

00:23:17.000 I get those.

00:23:18.000 Yeah?

00:23:18.000 Yeah, but really...

00:23:19.000 With Briggs?

00:23:21.000 You can definitely do it with Brigham.

00:23:23.000 I use another company.

00:23:24.000 I see, I see.

00:23:25.000 But there's a lot of companies that do it.

00:23:26.000 Okay.

00:23:27.000 Is it USADA approved or is it one of them?

00:23:29.000 Yes.

00:23:29.000 Yeah, it's USADA approved.

00:23:30.000 I'll see you later on, Briggs.

00:23:32.000 Yeah, but the thing that does it just as well, maybe even better, is hyperbaric chambers.

00:23:37.000 And so hyperbaric chambers, you elevate it up to two, it's like...

00:23:44.000 Two atmospheres, so twice our atmosphere, and then you have oxygen, you wear an oxygen mask, and you sit in it for an hour and a half.

00:23:51.000 Okay. 0.95

00:23:52.000 And dude, you come out of that, and you're just like, woo, like, what the fuck is going on? 0.95

00:23:56.000 How often do you do it? 0.90

00:23:57.000 Every day for six weeks?

00:23:58.000 I've been doing it a lot lately.

00:24:00.000 Because I got one at the house, so I've been doing it quite a bit.

00:24:03.000 But it's just a completely different way of recovering.

00:24:07.000 I found out about it for recovery when Uriah Faber fought Jose Aldo.

00:24:12.000 The leg? 0.99

00:24:12.000 Yes, his leg was fucking brutalized. 0.99

00:24:15.000 I remember. 0.99

00:24:16.000 I saw Uriah was always ahead of the game, and he was using hyperbaric chambers to help him recover.

00:24:22.000 And so then I started looking into it, and then I found out about this Israeli study, and then I started seeing all the different ways that hyperbaric chambers can...

00:24:30.000 Increase your recovery and you know TJ Dillashaw did a lot of that as well.

00:24:33.000 I think but it makes a big impact They always do it like when you go down to CPI in Mexico when they do stem cells They give people hyperbaric chamber treatments as well.

00:24:43.000 Okay, I have to look into that So if I wanted to do it, I'd maybe do it say like what twice a week or something.

00:24:49.000 Yeah Something like that.

00:24:50.000 How long does the effect last for?

00:24:53.000 That's a good question.

00:24:54.000 Yeah.

00:24:55.000 I mean, it probably depends on the individual, but it just makes...

00:24:59.000 Anytime I have something wrong with me, I get in there, I just feel just better.

00:25:02.000 I bet you someone else, if they have one in Auckland now, they'll definitely hit me up and be like, hey...

00:25:06.000 I bet they do.

00:25:08.000 Yeah, I'd like to try that.

00:25:09.000 Yeah, I bet Auckland has it.

00:25:10.000 It's time consuming, you know, the whole experience is two hours, because it has to get up to pressure, then it has to decompress, and you're in there for 90 minutes.

00:25:18.000 So it's like 15 minutes getting up to pressure, and then 15 minutes of decompressing at the very end.

00:25:23.000 But that's a great way to recover as well.

00:25:27.000 I feel like every, especially as you get older, every edge you can get.

00:25:33.000 Sauna, cold plunge, hyperbaric, everything.

00:25:36.000 Every edge you can get.

00:25:37.000 Red light therapy, all that.

00:25:38.000 That's where I'm at now.

00:25:39.000 That's where I was this last camp.

00:25:41.000 And I feel like even the one before that, and the one before that, I just remember thinking like, how can I... It was actually Eugene who said, how can you make this camp better?

00:25:49.000 And I'll always find something to do to make this camp better, the next one.

00:25:52.000 So that's like the last three camps.

00:25:54.000 So this one, I took it with the whole having breakfast, having a chef help me actually cook.

00:25:59.000 That was crazy that you used to train with no breakfast.

00:26:01.000 That's so crazy.

00:26:02.000 So that was my way, I guess. 1.00

00:26:03.000 Then I found out about intermittent fasting, and I realized, oh, I've been doing that shit for years. 0.99

00:26:07.000 I was just doing it by, I guess, laziness or accident. 0.98

00:26:10.000 But it actually helps, though.

00:26:13.000 like wake up, have two eggs, or maybe he'll make sometimes something with chia seed, but normally eggs and a bacon piece or something.

00:26:21.000 She needs something.

00:26:23.000 Yeah, something just to get the fuel.

00:26:24.000 Yeah.

00:26:25.000 And even Jordy from Fight Dietitian, he told me, yeah, you should definitely be having breakfast because he thought, like, you're crazy training the way you do train.

00:26:33.000 And some of my morning sessions as well will be grueling.

00:26:36.000 And then I'll go have breakfast.

00:26:37.000 But I enjoyed it that way because I felt like more...

00:26:40.000 One thing is when I fight, fight day, my body doesn't want to eat.

00:26:44.000 He'll make me like a nice plate of something delicious.

00:26:48.000 And my body's just like, nah.

00:26:51.000 So fight day, I still try and eat something.

00:26:53.000 Maybe at least an egg.

00:26:55.000 Because he'll have pancakes, eggs, whatever, bacon.

00:26:57.000 An egg and a little bit of bacon.

00:26:59.000 But my body just doesn't want to eat.

00:27:00.000 But you think if you force yourself to eat, that would be a good thing?

00:27:03.000 Nah.

00:27:03.000 No.

00:27:04.000 I think DC said the same thing as well one time.

00:27:06.000 He said he likes to fight hungry so that way he gets that edge.

00:27:09.000 And I feel that way when it's fight day.

00:27:11.000 But when it comes to training now, I definitely like to have breakfast.

00:27:15.000 I like the way it feels.

00:27:16.000 Now I've done it for a few months.

00:27:18.000 I understand the benefits of a healthy breakfast before you have a grooming training session.

00:27:23.000 Yeah, it just gives you more gas.

00:27:25.000 Aljo said that when he fought Piotr Jan that he didn't eat.

00:27:28.000 First or second one?

00:27:29.000 First. 1.00

00:27:29.000 And he said he felt like shit. 1.00

00:27:31.000 Oh, the day of the fight? 0.99

00:27:32.000 Yeah.

00:27:33.000 He said, you know, I think the time of the fight got pushed back.

00:27:37.000 I forget exactly what the reasoning was or just forgot to eat or just wasn't feeling it because of the anxiety fighting for the title, you know, the whole deal.

00:27:45.000 And he just felt it in the fight.

00:27:48.000 Especially with a guy like Aljo who cuts so much weight.

00:27:52.000 Aljo is so big for 35. I remember running into him.

00:27:57.000 He was like 176 pounds. 1.00

00:27:58.000 I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:27:59.000 How are you going to make 135? 1.00

00:28:00.000 He's so big.

00:28:01.000 He looks good at 145 at UFC 300. I like that for him.

00:28:05.000 I was bummed out that that Mosvar-Evloeb fight fell out.

00:28:09.000 Especially this weekend, right?

00:28:11.000 Yeah.

00:28:12.000 Aljo is strong at 145. Why did that fight fall out?

00:28:16.000 What happened?

00:28:17.000 Aljo got injured.

00:28:18.000 He got injured and he thought he'd be able to work through it, but couldn't.

00:28:22.000 And there's a point of diminishing returns with these weight-cutting dudes.

00:28:26.000 And I think, you know...

00:28:28.000 There'll be something.

00:28:29.000 They've got the whole thing at one with the hydration clause.

00:28:33.000 But the thing is, no matter what, people are always going to try and find a way.

00:28:35.000 Yeah.

00:28:36.000 They're always going to try and find a way to sneak past the hydration test or something that they can use to pass it.

00:28:41.000 But I don't know how that works.

00:28:43.000 I don't know how they test for it.

00:28:44.000 It's never happened to me.

00:28:45.000 But weight cutting, even when I started fighting, people used to tell me, go down to 170 for you guys.

00:28:51.000 Oh, my God.

00:28:52.000 Hell no. 1.00

00:28:52.000 How the fuck can you make 170? 1.00

00:28:54.000 Back when I was skinny, before I got really brolic, I could make maybe 80 kgs. 0.99

00:28:59.000 That's close to 170, because 170 is 77 kgs.

00:29:03.000 But lowest I ever go to was 80 as a kickboxer.

00:29:06.000 That was it.

00:29:07.000 Yeah, 170, I'd die.

00:29:09.000 I wouldn't even...

00:29:10.000 Because I've seen some of these weight cuts where...

00:29:12.000 Like Hamzah. 1.00

00:29:14.000 Oh, bro.

00:29:14.000 Like when Hamzah would make one set.

00:29:16.000 Or even Cyborg.

00:29:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:17.000 You see her when she was in the tub crying and shaking.

00:29:21.000 And Oliveira when they go and they huddle around them.

00:29:25.000 Where you cut weight, though?

00:29:27.000 I'll say this thing.

00:29:28.000 For me, when I cut weight...

00:29:30.000 It's a spiritual experience sometimes.

00:29:32.000 It's a weird experience because not just me, I've seen fighters who have, not get delirious, but start saying things that they wouldn't normally say.

00:29:42.000 Not even in a bad way, but just the way they talk.

00:29:44.000 Because you're close to death.

00:29:45.000 Yeah, you see the light.

00:29:47.000 You really are close to death. 0.98

00:29:49.000 I mean, it sounds ridiculous to say that. 0.99

00:29:52.000 And for someone who doesn't understand what fighters are going through, you'd go, oh, you're being hyperbolic.

00:29:56.000 But not really.

00:29:57.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:58.000 Not really.

00:29:58.000 You really are close to death.

00:30:00.000 If you keep going for a few more hours, you'll die. 0.97

00:30:01.000 Yeah.

00:30:02.000 Especially, I mean, I've seen...

00:30:04.000 My weight cuts are normally pretty tame.

00:30:07.000 Not as bad, because I think I'm perfect for 185. But the ones that I've seen guys lose a lot of weight the day of, and I see them how they are.

00:30:16.000 And even when they go to the scale, you see their face just...

00:30:19.000 Yeah, you never look too destroyed.

00:30:21.000 I always come in underweight as well.

00:30:23.000 What do you normally weigh, like, the week of a fight?

00:30:26.000 Week of a fight?

00:30:27.000 If I get to the fight location, say...

00:30:31.000 If they weigh me, if I'm, say...

00:30:38.000 198. Oh, that's not that bad.

00:30:39.000 Yeah, that's easy for me.

00:30:40.000 I'm like, cool.

00:30:41.000 That's normally what I'm at.

00:30:42.000 That's just a few hard sauna sessions.

00:30:44.000 Yeah, but even just the water loading.

00:30:46.000 And then it's like, my body knows.

00:30:47.000 It's weird how my body does it.

00:30:49.000 My body's just like, it just knows.

00:30:52.000 Okay, we're getting on the plane.

00:30:53.000 You've done it before.

00:30:54.000 It just knows.

00:30:54.000 It's just like muscle memory.

00:30:56.000 And I get to the fight location.

00:30:57.000 My body's like, cool, we're doing this.

00:30:59.000 And then the weight just starts to go...

00:31:02.000 Did you notice a difference when they didn't allow IVs versus when they did allow IVs?

00:31:07.000 I never used it.

00:31:08.000 You never used it?

00:31:08.000 I never used IVs.

00:31:09.000 That's the thing.

00:31:10.000 So you never cut weight enough where you were so depleted that you needed to get those bags in you? 1.00

00:31:14.000 Fuck, I would have liked to. 1.00

00:31:17.000 They say that's the best way to rehydrate the brain. 1.00

00:31:20.000 Yeah, because it takes how many hours if you do it orally?

00:31:23.000 It takes a long time.

00:31:24.000 Yeah, to get the brain.

00:31:26.000 And that's the...

00:31:26.000 Affects your chin.

00:31:27.000 You're trying to protect as you're fucking noggin slushing around in your brain. 1.00

00:31:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:31:31.000 Yeah, because...

00:31:32.000 Wait, what is cerebral fluid?

00:31:34.000 It's made of...

00:31:35.000 Well, I'm guessing a lot of water, right?

00:31:37.000 There's a lot of water in there.

00:31:39.000 Yeah.

00:31:39.000 And the rehydration in the brain apparently is the slowest because of the blood-brain barrier.

00:31:43.000 Yeah.

00:31:43.000 That's the slowest...

00:31:45.000 Your bodies, your muscles rehydrate fairly quickly.

00:31:48.000 But still, it just never makes sense to me that a person is literally on the verge of death 24 hours before a cage fight.

00:31:56.000 Let's go battle to the death. 1.00

00:31:58.000 And then you get head kicked in the fucking chin and... 1.00

00:32:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:32:02.000 I mean, look, I do love this game, and I think weight cuts is always going to be a part of it right now, but who knows?

00:32:08.000 Because even though we have height differentials, are we going to start discriminating against that?

00:32:13.000 Like, okay, we only have height classes.

00:32:15.000 Is that the next?

00:32:16.000 No, that doesn't make any sense, because you've got guys like DC that, you know, even though he was not even barely six feet tall, was a heavyweight champion, but he's a tank, and he's the wrestling skills.

00:32:26.000 I think that the way to do it really is to have more weight classes.

00:32:30.000 I think when you have the big gaps, like 85 to 205 is 20 pounds.

00:32:35.000 That's crazy.

00:32:36.000 That's such a big-ass gap.

00:32:38.000 And then 205, if you want to start fighting heavyweight, and then you're dealing with guys like Francis, who's a natural 265, that's such a gap.

00:32:47.000 They should have the ones in between.

00:32:48.000 Okay, let me take it.

00:32:49.000 10 pounds.

00:32:51.000 165, 170, 175, 180, like that.

00:32:55.000 They could do that, but I think that's maybe a little too much.

00:32:57.000 I think 10 pounds.

00:32:58.000 Yeah.

00:32:59.000 10 pounds is reasonable.

00:33:00.000 Yeah.

00:33:00.000 All the way up the board.

00:33:01.000 175, 165. 25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 205, and then maybe 225, and then heavyweight.

00:33:09.000 Super heavyweight.

00:33:11.000 The whole thing of 265 being a limit for heavyweight to me is crazy too.

00:33:14.000 Because there's bigger boys out there.

00:33:16.000 Mark Hunt used to cut down to 265. Yeah.

00:33:19.000 Crazy.

00:33:20.000 Even Francis did as well.

00:33:22.000 Yeah.

00:33:22.000 If they did, I mean, they can just...

00:33:24.000 I think they talked about doing it.

00:33:26.000 They talked about doing it recently.

00:33:28.000 Maybe last year, I think.

00:33:30.000 They talked about adding more weight classes, but then I never heard anything about it again.

00:33:33.000 I know California was flirting with it.

00:33:35.000 Okay, maybe that's what I saw.

00:33:36.000 They should have it everywhere.

00:33:38.000 There's too many gaps that are too wide.

00:33:40.000 There's too many tweeners.

00:33:42.000 Too many guys that are too small to fight at 170, but they really can't make 55 healthy. 1.00

00:33:48.000 At least they took this shit out. 1.00

00:33:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:50.000 Finally.

00:33:51.000 Finally.

00:33:53.000 Look, I always thought that's like a group chat decision. 0.98

00:33:57.000 Just say, yo, this is a dumb rule. 0.72

00:33:59.000 Let's take it out. 0.99

00:34:00.000 Boom.

00:34:00.000 But why does it take so long?

00:34:01.000 Is it because the commission all over the United States or whatever have to get together or something?

00:34:08.000 I don't know.

00:34:08.000 I don't understand.

00:34:09.000 That seems like a...

00:34:10.000 Common sense rule and especially anybody who understands the power of elbows like this is not the most powerful elbow No, it's just not and so to deny that and to say that somehow or another that can't be blocked.

00:34:23.000 Well, that's crazy Yeah, you could do that just as easy as you could do that you can block that elbow facts None of it makes any sense.

00:34:31.000 There's a bunch of things that are unrealistic in my opinion.

00:34:33.000 One of them is not being able to up kick from a downward position when a guy's on top of you.

00:34:39.000 So if a guy's on top of you and you're on your back and the guy has a knee down, you can't up kick. 0.86

00:34:45.000 Oh yeah, that's silly.

00:34:46.000 I get what you mean. 0.98

00:34:47.000 That's silly. 0.88

00:34:47.000 That doesn't make any sense. 0.88

00:34:48.000 I think you should be able to up kick when you are flat on your back and he's on his knees.

00:34:52.000 Yeah.

00:34:53.000 Because that's a real technique.

00:34:54.000 If you have rubber guard or flexible hips or whatever, you can just bring your leg and boom.

00:34:59.000 Anderson did that to someone.

00:35:00.000 Who did he do that to?

00:35:04.000 What's his name?

00:35:05.000 Yushin Okami, I think.

00:35:07.000 Did he?

00:35:08.000 Yeah, he got disqualified, and not in the UFC. Oh, was that in Rumble and the Rock?

00:35:12.000 The yellow cage.

00:35:13.000 Yeah, so that was a good knockout, but then they disqualified him.

00:35:18.000 That technique, like if you are in a guy's guard, and that guy can elbow you in the face, punch you in the face, why can't he kick you in the face?

00:35:26.000 He should be able to lean back and upkick you, and it would make the guard way more effective.

00:35:31.000 Dangerous.

00:35:32.000 It's also more real.

00:35:33.000 Here it is.

00:35:33.000 This one, yeah.

00:35:34.000 Boom. 1.00

00:35:35.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:35:36.000 That was a good knockout. 1.00

00:35:36.000 That's a beautiful knockout. 1.00

00:35:37.000 That should be 100% legal.

00:35:40.000 Look at the hip dexterity.

00:35:41.000 Yeah.

00:35:41.000 Look at the way he just brought that back.

00:35:44.000 Boom.

00:35:44.000 Oh, like an axe kick.

00:35:45.000 Yeah.

00:35:46.000 Like an axe kick from the outside.

00:35:48.000 Yeah, you know what?

00:35:48.000 You're right.

00:35:49.000 That's 100% a good technique.

00:35:51.000 It should be legal, and you should be avoiding that if you're on top.

00:35:55.000 Top is an advantageous position.

00:35:57.000 Anything the guy that can do on bottom that is real for a real fight should be allowed.

00:36:02.000 It's not like you're cemented in this position.

00:36:05.000 The idea of not allowing soccer kicks to a downed opponent, what I think about that is the cage.

00:36:11.000 I think if you're pressed up against a cage, if someone can stomp you or soccer kick you, there's no way to move.

00:36:15.000 Yeah, true.

00:36:16.000 But if you're in an open space and there's a place to move, all those things should be legal because all those things are real techniques.

00:36:22.000 Facts.

00:36:22.000 But especially if a guy's on top of you.

00:36:24.000 If a guy's on top of you, on his knees, in your guard, and you can get a leg back and stomp him in the face, that's good.

00:36:31.000 That's a real technique that should be 100% legal.

00:36:35.000 The one I like, soccer kicks, it just looks cool.

00:36:38.000 But again, if you have someone pinned against the cage and even kneeing them, was it one they go...

00:36:44.000 Okay.

00:36:45.000 Yes.

00:36:45.000 They allow it.

00:36:46.000 I don't even know what the discretion of the referee is to allow it.

00:36:50.000 I think it's if they're pinned against the cage.

00:36:53.000 Then he doesn't allow it.

00:36:54.000 Exactly.

00:36:54.000 Okay.

00:36:55.000 Which makes sense.

00:36:55.000 If you're in the open space.

00:36:56.000 Right.

00:36:56.000 If you're in the open space.

00:36:57.000 Soccer kicks go.

00:36:58.000 Did you ever see the one where Roger Huerta fought and won and got one of the worst soccer kick KOs ever?

00:37:04.000 Maybe, but I've forgotten it.

00:37:05.000 He fought some big Brazilian cat and this dude's soccer kicked him and it was like, oh my God.

00:37:09.000 Like, in the open space?

00:37:11.000 Yeah.

00:37:11.000 He had him rocked already, and then he's down like this, and this dude just leaned back.

00:37:16.000 I think the thing as well is the look of it for, I guess, the people who aren't really hardcore fans.

00:37:22.000 If they see that, they're like, ooh, and then it goes back to human cockfighting.

00:37:26.000 Okay, but if that's true, how about Irani Aldana?

00:37:29.000 When she fought at the Sphere, her whole face is cut open.

00:37:32.000 Oh, that was crazy.

00:37:33.000 Insane.

00:37:34.000 They didn't stop the fight.

00:37:35.000 Tough, though.

00:37:36.000 So tough.

00:37:38.000 So here's the Roger Werner one.

00:37:40.000 So Roger's hurt.

00:37:42.000 And Roger shouldn't have been fighting at 170 anyway.

00:37:44.000 And watch this.

00:37:45.000 Oh, no.

00:37:45.000 Boom.

00:37:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:47.000 I mean, that one.

00:37:48.000 I have seen this. 1.00

00:37:49.000 Bro, that one can fucking kill you. 1.00

00:37:52.000 That one can kill you. 1.00

00:37:53.000 I mean, that dude had everything in that kick. 0.99

00:37:55.000 He even held it for a little bit.

00:37:57.000 Just really line it up. 0.99

00:37:59.000 Full fucking goal. 0.99

00:38:00.000 Ooh, that's a rough one. 1.00

00:38:02.000 That is bad.

00:38:02.000 That's a rough one.

00:38:04.000 But that's a real technique.

00:38:06.000 Legal.

00:38:06.000 You can do it in real life.

00:38:08.000 Yes!

00:38:09.000 That's the point.

00:38:10.000 It's the sport of fighting. 0.96

00:38:11.000 And if it's a sport of fighting and you can't upkick a guy when you're in your guard because his knee's on the ground, that's ridiculous.

00:38:17.000 Even the one, you've actually, was it maybe you at this fair, you mentioned it with the Merab fight.

00:38:22.000 They stood them up somewhere at the end.

00:38:24.000 And I was thinking like, yeah, why they stand them up?

00:38:27.000 Made no sense.

00:38:28.000 Yeah.

00:38:30.000 I think so, yeah.

00:38:31.000 I think Herb was alluding to they want more action.

00:38:36.000 Mm-hmm.

00:38:37.000 I don't know if he's getting pressure from someone to have more action, but one of the things that Herb said was, if someone wants it, I think he was alluding to some specific officials and executives, whoever.

00:38:50.000 He's like, if they want it to look different, I wish they would tell me.

00:38:55.000 Herb's saying this to you.

00:38:56.000 No, not to me.

00:38:57.000 He said it in an interview when he was being criticized for trying to get people to work and trying to stand people up.

00:39:03.000 So let me get this straight.

00:39:04.000 He's saying maybe some officials or someone would be alluding...

00:39:07.000 He's alluding to the fact that they want it to look a specific way.

00:39:12.000 Ah, I think I pick up what you're putting down.

00:39:14.000 See if you can find his statement on it because it was interesting the way he phrased it.

00:39:19.000 The way he phrased it...

00:39:20.000 Like cryptic?

00:39:21.000 Yes.

00:39:22.000 Ah, okay.

00:39:23.000 He's trying not to put someone under the bus, but he's saying like, look, maybe someone's saying to him that...

00:39:29.000 Exactly.

00:39:29.000 And I think they are, because he's always like, let's work, let's work.

00:39:33.000 Sometimes when it doesn't even make any sense, like they're working.

00:39:35.000 I saw, I remember, and I was like, yeah, he's on top.

00:39:38.000 He just got him down.

00:39:39.000 He's actually trying to, you know, beat him up.

00:39:41.000 Yeah.

00:39:42.000 You know, Sean was defending well, but still saying, ah, true.

00:39:45.000 That'd be interesting, though.

00:39:47.000 That would...

00:39:49.000 When I say interesting, that's shady.

00:39:53.000 Yeah, it's shady.

00:39:54.000 But it's what we were talking about at lunch today, too, is that there are certain fighters they want to win because those fighters are more exciting.

00:40:01.000 And I'm a purist.

00:40:03.000 I feel like there should be no stand-ups.

00:40:06.000 Unless there's a violation, unless someone does something illegal, there should be no stand-ups. 0.90

00:40:09.000 I think if a guy can take you down like Marab does and just beat you up and you can't do shit, and even if the audience is booing, that's the fight. 0.83

00:40:17.000 If Sean wants to get up, he's got to get up. 0.94

00:40:19.000 I don't think it should be you can just hold him on and you're full guard and the referee just stands you up.

00:40:24.000 Because that's such an advantage for the striker to be standing up again.

00:40:28.000 And you already have the advantage of every round start standing up.

00:40:31.000 Yeah.

00:40:31.000 And you work so hard to get something to the ground and they go, okay, stand up.

00:40:35.000 Yeah.

00:40:35.000 I'm trying to think, have I ever been in the position that they made me stand up?

00:40:39.000 No, not on top.

00:40:41.000 But even on the bottom, I always get up.

00:40:42.000 I find a way.

00:40:43.000 That's the ego thing.

00:40:45.000 Because again, look, I had to kill that to really be great at this game.

00:40:49.000 Because I knew for a fact... 0.96

00:40:52.000 I couldn't beat some nerds in pajamas.

00:40:55.000 So that was for me my, okay, humble yourself and learn how to grapple. 0.69

00:41:00.000 And then I sucked at first and I got better.

00:41:03.000 I never have shown too much of my grappling skills because they never really put me in a position to show as much as I need to.

00:41:10.000 So for me, I'm just like, cool. 0.81

00:41:11.000 I'll just fucking do a Derrick Lewis. 0.99

00:41:13.000 Stand up. 1.00

00:41:13.000 Get up and just beat him up as much as I can. 1.00

00:41:16.000 But yeah. 1.00

00:41:17.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:41:17.000 That is suspect if someone is... 1.00

00:41:19.000 I actually want to watch that.

00:41:21.000 I'll watch it later on.

00:41:22.000 Let's see what the statement is.

00:41:23.000 Did you find it?

00:41:26.000 I found that Luke Thomas made a video and he said Herb called him after he made the video.

00:41:30.000 Luke Thomas, who's that again?

00:41:32.000 Luke Thomas, the journalist.

00:41:34.000 Okay.

00:41:34.000 MMA journalist.

00:41:35.000 He said they spoke for 30...

00:41:36.000 I'm like, I'm reading the closed captioning because I can't listen to it.

00:41:40.000 He said those instances...

00:41:41.000 I'll just play this, I guess.

00:41:42.000 This might be it.

00:41:43.000 I don't know if you saw Herb say it.

00:41:44.000 Oh, Luke.

00:41:44.000 Oh, my bad.

00:41:45.000 of her ultimately his opinion but not limited to those instances where he had called for more work from Rob what I cannot do today is speak on behalf of her ultimately his opinions and beliefs are his own and they are his to tell whenever he elects to do so what I can do is speak on behalf of my views no yeah I'm just fine happy what it was That's not it.

00:42:07.000 There was an article where they had interviewed him.

00:42:11.000 Okay, a statement from himself?

00:42:12.000 Yes.

00:42:13.000 It was a statement from Herb himself, and he was saying, if someone wants the fights to look different, I wish they would tell me. 0.98

00:42:19.000 Damn, that's suspect. 0.97

00:42:21.000 Yes. 0.99

00:42:21.000 You found it? 0.99

00:42:22.000 Again, that's cryptic.

00:42:24.000 Cryptic.

00:42:25.000 That means they're telling you, I want more action.

00:42:28.000 Okay, here it goes.

00:42:29.000 I've seen on social media, people have spoken about me calling the fighters for more action.

00:42:35.000 That's what I've always done.

00:42:36.000 I can tell you what I tell fighters during the rules briefing.

00:42:40.000 I tell them anytime I'm going to interfere or any intervention, I'm going to talk to you first, like if I'm going to stand you up.

00:42:47.000 What I'm going to say first is I'm going to say let's work.

00:42:49.000 I usually clap at what I'm expecting from him and what I'm expecting from him is not busy work.

00:42:56.000 I specify I'm looking for effort to finish the fight.

00:42:59.000 So either you posture to where you can set up fight ending attacks or advance your position, effort to advance.

00:43:06.000 Because it's not as easy as just passing the guard, but effort to pass, effort to advance your position, effort to bring the fight to finish.

00:43:13.000 That rule was put in place, standing fighters up, to make our sport look the way we want it to look.

00:43:19.000 But he said something else.

00:43:21.000 It was more...

00:43:22.000 If he goes, as a referee, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:43:26.000 If that's what he said, I trust your recollection of it, but if that's what he said, that's still very suspect.

00:43:32.000 You don't want to get this game.

00:43:34.000 This is one thing about the UFC, it's as real as it gets, or MMA itself.

00:43:37.000 This is what it is.

00:43:39.000 But if you have that happening, then that's starting to seem a little bit like, you know, not to take away like it's the WWE or anything.

00:43:48.000 It's not that, but you are influencing the course of a fight where a guy has control.

00:43:53.000 And the referee is the guy officiating the fight, so if he's getting word from someone, the way he said that, someone.

00:44:01.000 I think he was saying, if someone wants me, if they want the fight to look different, I wish they would tell me.

00:44:06.000 But that's what I'm saying.

00:44:07.000 When you say someone, it's like, who's that someone?

00:44:09.000 I don't think the referee's job is to instruct a fighter to do anything other than follow the rules.

00:44:16.000 And if you can hold a guy down, I'm the worst with this because I think you should start in the same position you ended the last round because I think it's one fight.

00:44:24.000 I think it's one fight.

00:44:26.000 It's not five fights.

00:44:27.000 So an advantage for the striker is always standing up.

00:44:30.000 So if a guy gets you down and has your back and the round ends, I think he should have the exact same position in the exact same place on the octagon floor when the next round starts.

00:44:40.000 Because he earned that position, and you didn't earn the stand-up.

00:44:43.000 So if you're standing up, standing up for a guy like you is a giant advantage.

00:44:47.000 Yeah, I'm like, I'm biased. 1.00

00:44:48.000 I would be like, ah, fuck that. 1.00

00:44:49.000 Yeah, of course. 1.00

00:44:50.000 Well, also, the audience would be like, shut the fuck up, bro. 1.00

00:44:54.000 You know, you fucking pussy. 1.00

00:44:56.000 It does make sense when it comes to pure fighting. 1.00

00:44:59.000 Because even, bro, even Pride had 10-minute rounds, the first round.

00:45:04.000 That's cool.

00:45:05.000 I'm saying, look, some things...

00:45:07.000 Like, I'm glad this.

00:45:08.000 They've taken out the wave.

00:45:09.000 But again, bring back tournaments just for one night.

00:45:13.000 Let's see who's a real badass.

00:45:15.000 Yeah, that would be crazy.

00:45:16.000 I've done a kickboxing.

00:45:17.000 I've never done it in MMA. I've done it in boxing.

00:45:20.000 I might bring back a tournament, so let's see who's really about this, because we have to fight, get the adrenal dump, then you go back and sit down, sit down for ages, and then eventually have to warm up again.

00:45:30.000 I remember that I've done it a few times.

00:45:32.000 I've won a few of them, but it shows this.

00:45:37.000 Yeah.

00:45:38.000 Like this, you know what I mean?

00:45:38.000 Well, it's also built-in drama over the evening where people watch a guy fight once, and now he's going to fight a second time, and that was always wild about the early days of the UFC, watching those tournaments.

00:45:49.000 Pride as well.

00:45:50.000 They did that a lot.

00:45:52.000 But yeah, that'd be fun.

00:45:53.000 I think even for like, oh, they did it once though.

00:45:56.000 Glory did it. 0.94

00:45:57.000 Remember Last Man Standing?

00:45:58.000 That was crazy.

00:45:59.000 They fought three times in the night.

00:46:01.000 The UFC did it once with the flyweight, the inaugural flyweight title.

00:46:04.000 And I think it was Mighty Mouse and Ian McCall in the final.

00:46:11.000 No, I got it wrong. 0.90

00:46:12.000 They fucked up the decision.

00:46:14.000 Because if it was meant to be a draw and they'd have one more round in Sydney, I think.

00:46:18.000 Yeah.

00:46:19.000 And they were meant to, but then they fucked up the decision.

00:46:23.000 But that would be crazy though.

00:46:24.000 They go like, okay, cool.

00:46:26.000 The judges have it, this, that.

00:46:27.000 It's a draw.

00:46:28.000 We're going to one more round after a crazy fight like that.

00:46:30.000 That would have had the whole place just go.

00:46:32.000 Well, that's what Glory does. 1.00

00:46:33.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 One more round! 1.00

00:46:36.000 And you see the look in the guy's face like, oh, fuck. 1.00

00:46:38.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:46:38.000 Yeah, I've had that too. 1.00

00:46:40.000 But that's where this comes in.

00:46:41.000 Yeah.

00:46:42.000 Yeah.

00:46:43.000 You have to just like, cool, let's go.

00:46:44.000 Get back in the corner. 0.89

00:46:46.000 Is that one of the most difficult things to change your mindset in mid-fight, like if something throws you off?

00:46:52.000 Mid-fight, ooh.

00:46:54.000 Do you remember, what I'm bringing up specifically, do you remember Tim Kennedy and Yoel Romero?

00:46:58.000 Oh, get up, get up. 1.00

00:47:00.000 Yes. 0.99

00:47:01.000 So Tim Kennedy had Yoel Romero fucked up, fucked up. 0.99

00:47:06.000 And then they put Yoel on the stool. 0.99

00:47:08.000 They threw ice on the floor.

00:47:10.000 And he kept sitting on the stool.

00:47:12.000 And Big John's telling him to stand up and he's still sitting down. 1.00

00:47:15.000 And Tim Kennedy's walking around going, what the fuck? 0.99

00:47:17.000 This fight should be stopped. 1.00

00:47:18.000 The fight's over.

00:47:19.000 Yeah, the fight should have been stopped.

00:47:21.000 But then Yoel got up and then he stopped him afterwards.

00:47:24.000 But he had like a good solid 35 seconds extra recovery time.

00:47:28.000 Which when you're hurt is cheap. 0.98

00:47:31.000 I think Tim said it fuck with his head and it was his mental weakness that he didn't he thought he was angry They're robbing me. 1.00

00:47:39.000 This is bullshit. 1.00

00:47:40.000 I had him I should have won the fight should have been we did the round started the minute was up It should have been I could have got on him and I could have finished him and so in his head he lost focus It does happen. 0.99

00:47:53.000 Like I said, even with me pointing at the ground in that moment, any small lapse in judgment, you just need 30 minutes or 25 minutes of focus.

00:48:01.000 So in that point, yeah, I can see how that would get to him. 1.00

00:48:05.000 Yeah, that would get to him because you're like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:48:06.000 They're about to screw me out of this one. 0.99

00:48:08.000 Exactly.

00:48:08.000 And they did.

00:48:09.000 And so then he's got to fight again while he's going, motherfucker, this should have already been over. 0.99

00:48:12.000 So instead of concentrating completely on being in the present in the fight... 0.98

00:48:17.000 Even Anderson versus Bisping when Anderson thought he won and was on the case celebrating.

00:48:22.000 And then if, I think it was Herb or whoever would be like, yo, get down here, this and that, right, right, right.

00:48:27.000 Which could have been over if Anderson just followed up with one or two more shots.

00:48:31.000 That would have been it.

00:48:32.000 It's like we were talking about Jalen Turner and Renato Marcano. 0.93

00:48:35.000 He drops him, has him fucked up, and then walks away like it's a KO. I literally went like, because I was front. 0.93

00:48:41.000 Went to 300. I'm such a fan.

00:48:42.000 I was there from the first fight.

00:48:44.000 That's why I like to wear that as a badge on.

00:48:46.000 I'm like, yeah, I was there and I watched that and I was just like Why he had eight more seconds he could have just done something and taken him out. 0.99

00:48:54.000 Addo was fucked up too. 0.99

00:48:55.000 He was very bad. 1.00

00:48:56.000 Yeah, but and Jalen can crack He's tough.

00:49:00.000 Oh, he's so big for 55 and so long.

00:49:02.000 I think he's also really talented as well.

00:49:04.000 He's fast.

00:49:05.000 He's smooth. 1.00

00:49:07.000 Like when he fought Dan, you heard that shit. 1.00

00:49:10.000 Yes. 1.00

00:49:10.000 Bro, that kick when I heard that and Dan grabbed his waist and then Dan had his neck at the end of the round as well. 1.00

00:49:16.000 I lost my voice in that one.

00:49:17.000 That's the one where Dan broke his arm, right?

00:49:19.000 Yeah, just a scratch.

00:49:20.000 And he kept fighting.

00:49:21.000 Dan's a savage!

00:49:22.000 Trust me.

00:49:23.000 I love watching him come back into the top five now.

00:49:26.000 I love it.

00:49:27.000 I love that he did that.

00:49:28.000 I love it.

00:49:28.000 I love who he is as a person because, look, Dan, I see him every day most days, and he's a guy that you don't know what to expect.

00:49:36.000 Like, out of nowhere, boom, he just customized himself with all these tattoos.

00:49:41.000 Yeah, crazy.

00:49:42.000 That's badass.

00:49:43.000 Yeah, he just covered himself.

00:49:44.000 I think he's in Spain.

00:49:46.000 You know Oscar Willis, the MacLife reporter.

00:49:50.000 He's fighting Bare Knuckle this weekend, I believe, or maybe next weekend in Spain.

00:49:55.000 But Dan's going to go there and corner him. 0.99

00:49:57.000 I'm like, fucking. 1.00

00:49:58.000 Bare Knuckle boxing or MMA? No, boxing. 1.00

00:50:02.000 That's not for me.

00:50:04.000 I can fight.

00:50:04.000 If I had to get into a fight, whatever, sure.

00:50:06.000 But for me, I'd rather not.

00:50:10.000 I'll pass on that. 1.00

00:50:11.000 But that's the kind of shit that Dan loves. 1.00

00:50:12.000 Dan's like, yeah, let's do that shit. 1.00

00:50:14.000 He wants to do that shit. 1.00

00:50:15.000 He just loves fighting. 1.00

00:50:18.000 Masvidal's got that whole MMA league where it's all bare-knuckle MMA, which I like.

00:50:22.000 Because it doesn't make sense to me that you don't cover your shins or your knees or your elbows, but you do cover your knuckles.

00:50:27.000 I just don't like the knuckles because you see, again, moose knuckles still there. 0.85

00:50:31.000 This can cause more damage, like cuts.

00:50:35.000 Yeah.

00:50:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:37.000 Slices you open.

00:50:38.000 Exactly. 0.87

00:50:38.000 Guys get sliced up. 0.87

00:50:40.000 So if gloves, I guess they protect...

00:50:43.000 The new gloves as well, I think...

00:50:47.000 I've only fought once in the new gloves now.

00:50:50.000 I might give it maybe one or two more, but I'm like, the old gloves just, they didn't really protect, the wraps protect your hands, but the old gloves, they felt like rubber, like tire rubber.

00:51:01.000 And I think they were just dangerous, like dangerous to hit with.

00:51:06.000 If you hit someone with those, it's like bang!

00:51:08.000 These new gloves, they feel like a little bit of a memory foam.

00:51:12.000 A little softer?

00:51:13.000 Softer.

00:51:13.000 And I don't know about this whole curve thing.

00:51:15.000 They don't really curve.

00:51:15.000 I can still do that.

00:51:17.000 I try not to do that.

00:51:18.000 I'm not, you know, whatever.

00:51:19.000 But still, this...

00:51:21.000 I'll wait and see.

00:51:23.000 Bro, listen, man.

00:51:24.000 The best gloves, for sure, are Trevor Whitman's.

00:51:28.000 The best gloves.

00:51:29.000 He made the best gloves.

00:51:30.000 They're the best MMA gloves of all time.

00:51:31.000 I've never seen them yet.

00:51:32.000 I've got...

00:51:33.000 See if you can pull them up.

00:51:33.000 The Onyx?

00:51:34.000 Is that the Onyx one?

00:51:35.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 I've got the big ones, but I've never ever had...

00:51:38.000 The best MMA gloves.

00:51:39.000 Yeah.

00:51:39.000 They curve.

00:51:40.000 So it's curved.

00:51:41.000 So your hand is in this position.

00:51:43.000 So if you want to do this, you have to open them up.

00:51:45.000 But still, you could do that for grappling.

00:51:47.000 It's all the same.

00:51:47.000 But they're in a curved position, and I think that would avoid so many eye pokes.

00:51:52.000 So many.

00:51:53.000 You haven't really been eye poked too many times.

00:51:56.000 Nah.

00:51:57.000 Only time was in training.

00:51:58.000 Really bad one was in training.

00:52:00.000 But nah, not in a fight.

00:52:02.000 Nah.

00:52:02.000 Avoid that as much as I can.

00:52:04.000 I have another thought on that.

00:52:05.000 Tell me what you think of this.

00:52:06.000 I feel like they should cover the fingers.

00:52:07.000 How?

00:52:08.000 I feel like why with like a mitt that goes over the top with like a round surface.

00:52:12.000 Like a boxing mitt.

00:52:13.000 Like a little something soft.

00:52:13.000 Yeah, like those little bag glove mitts.

00:52:16.000 Like that's Trevor Whitman's.

00:52:17.000 Okay.

00:52:18.000 That's the Onyx gloves.

00:52:19.000 Those are the best gloves. 1.00

00:52:21.000 Trevor Whitman's a fucking genius, man. 0.99

00:52:22.000 He makes incredible gear. 0.99

00:52:24.000 Has he ever brought this idea to the UFC? Yeah, they were in negotiation, but I think Trevor went crazy and wanted like some ungodly amount of money.

00:52:32.000 He wanted something, according to Dana, at least that's his version of it.

00:52:35.000 Okay, two-sided story.

00:52:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:38.000 But regardless of all that, he makes the best gloves.

00:52:42.000 They're the best MMA gloves of all time, bar none.

00:52:46.000 Yeah, I've got the big ones, bro.

00:52:47.000 I'll hit them up, see if I can get those ones, just to try them out.

00:52:50.000 It's also the best foam.

00:52:51.000 He uses the most high-tech foams, the most expensive foam.

00:52:55.000 And he makes them all by hand.

00:52:57.000 Trevor stitches them together.

00:52:59.000 I've seen him stitch them.

00:53:00.000 He's passionate about it.

00:53:01.000 But these new ones, so far, fighting with them, I still prefer the old ones.

00:53:08.000 You think they're more damaging?

00:53:09.000 Yeah.

00:53:11.000 I get it.

00:53:15.000 I don't like to get hit, so maybe that's why I'm biased with it.

00:53:18.000 But when I hit someone with those, I feel it causes more damage.

00:53:21.000 And I mean, I can cause damage.

00:53:23.000 I caused some damage on DDP with those ones, but I still want to try them maybe one more time just to feel them.

00:53:29.000 They felt different.

00:53:31.000 Yeah, felt different.

00:53:31.000 I can definitely tell.

00:53:32.000 Even the wraps.

00:53:34.000 When I was squeezing my wraps into them, I was like, okay.

00:53:38.000 Just took a while, but I still got in.

00:53:40.000 But I'm like, all right, cool, grab.

00:53:41.000 I like to test the grip strength to make sure I can hold someone, but...

00:53:46.000 Yeah.

00:53:46.000 We'll see.

00:53:47.000 I don't know why the fingers have to be exposed.

00:53:49.000 Because you never do this.

00:53:51.000 There's no reason to have the fingers ever in this position.

00:53:55.000 Every time you grip, you're gripping like this.

00:53:58.000 Like that, yeah.

00:53:58.000 Or you're gripping like this.

00:53:59.000 Also, it would prevent joint manipulation.

00:54:02.000 Yeah.

00:54:02.000 Yeah, small joint manipulation.

00:54:04.000 It's almost like a webbing.

00:54:05.000 Yeah.

00:54:06.000 It just covers that.

00:54:07.000 Why can't you just have a thin piece of leather that goes over the fingers and then something that's curved around the top?

00:54:13.000 Like you said, like those bag mitts with the thumb out.

00:54:15.000 Yes.

00:54:15.000 So even if you do get poked in the eye, you're getting poked by a large thing instead of a finger.

00:54:21.000 Yeah.

00:54:21.000 It goes all the way into your eye.

00:54:23.000 And fingernails. 1.00

00:54:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:24.000 So the nails will be covered.

00:54:26.000 Even if you trim your fucking nails, that's still a hard surface that can scratch the shit out of your cornea. 1.00

00:54:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:54:31.000 Then you got toes. 1.00

00:54:32.000 I've seen people get kicked in the eye, even in training.

00:54:34.000 And infected the eye as well.

00:54:36.000 Oh, yeah, man.

00:54:37.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

00:54:38.000 Toenails.

00:54:39.000 But no, I mean, that makes sense.

00:54:41.000 I mean, it just...

00:54:42.000 I think people are scared of change.

00:54:44.000 Right.

00:54:45.000 Even with these new gloves.

00:54:46.000 I think it's maybe...

00:54:46.000 That's why I'm trying to be like, let me give it one more shot.

00:54:49.000 I'm not going to say I'm against them.

00:54:50.000 Mm-hmm.

00:54:51.000 I just feel...

00:54:52.000 The other gloves were just...

00:54:55.000 They had that thing on them.

00:54:57.000 Well, Mike Wendell-John, you know, he lost an eye.

00:54:59.000 Yeah.

00:54:59.000 Oh, that's why he wears the shades.

00:55:01.000 Exactly.

00:55:01.000 From holding pads from somebody.

00:55:03.000 So he was holding pads and someone missed and caught his eye with their toenail.

00:55:07.000 I'd do that, too, if that happened to me.

00:55:09.000 PTSD. Yeah, fuck, man. 1.00

00:55:11.000 I think everybody should wear goggles if you're holding mitts. 1.00

00:55:13.000 Just the possibility.

00:55:14.000 Just that we know that it happened to one of the top trainers in the sport.

00:55:17.000 Yeah, and it's not just a freak accident.

00:55:18.000 Right.

00:55:19.000 Even just grappling, I try and keep my nails, like...

00:55:24.000 Trim, just because I don't want to...

00:55:26.000 I've done it before by accident on someone, and I've caused...

00:55:28.000 I think I had collar tie, and then they did something, and then...

00:55:31.000 Yeah.

00:55:32.000 And I go, not on me, on them.

00:55:33.000 It's happened to me as well, but I felt bad when I did it on a person.

00:55:36.000 I had their skin in my nails, and I was like, yeah, my bad. 0.90

00:55:38.000 So again, yeah, cut your nails.

00:55:41.000 But still, that's not a bad idea. 1.00

00:55:42.000 I would fuck with that. 0.99

00:55:44.000 I feel like it wouldn't affect the grappling at all. 0.99

00:55:47.000 And it definitely would help eye pokes, which are the biggest problem.

00:55:51.000 Eye pokes are a giant problem, man.

00:55:53.000 So many guys have gotten eye surgery now.

00:55:55.000 I mean, Bilal's had three eye surgeries.

00:55:57.000 And remember when he got poked real bad against Leon?

00:56:00.000 Yeah, that's right. 1.00

00:56:02.000 Fuck, yeah, I can imagine. 1.00

00:56:03.000 You can change the culture. 1.00

00:56:05.000 I feel like it should be done, because I don't think it's bad.

00:56:08.000 I don't see any negative to covering the fingers, and I see only positives.

00:56:12.000 And I don't think it would do...

00:56:14.000 It's just real simple.

00:56:15.000 Piece of leather here.

00:56:16.000 I get you.

00:56:17.000 I get what you're saying.

00:56:18.000 Measure the fighter's hands.

00:56:20.000 Some guys have very long fingers.

00:56:21.000 Some guys have short fingers.

00:56:22.000 Measure the fighter's hands.

00:56:24.000 Build a custom glove.

00:56:25.000 That's not hard to do.

00:56:26.000 Same thing like having glove size.

00:56:27.000 I'm sure someone will make it now.

00:56:28.000 Oh, someone's made that before?

00:56:30.000 I don't think so.

00:56:30.000 I don't know if anybody that's made that, but that should be the way they do it because that would eliminate an enormous number of eye posts.

00:56:38.000 That's a money-making scheme right now.

00:56:39.000 If someone decides to make that and then put it out there as a prototype, you're like, look, this actually works.

00:56:43.000 Train with them, and then they go, I'm patenting that.

00:56:45.000 Boom.

00:56:45.000 Well, the UFC doesn't listen to me because I have all kinds of crazy ideas.

00:56:49.000 I'm like, get rid of weight cutting, add more weight classes, change the gloves, no stand-ups.

00:56:54.000 Fair enough.

00:56:55.000 Because also, I'm not interested in making the fight more exciting.

00:57:00.000 I'm interested in what's the best.

00:57:02.000 What actually works.

00:57:03.000 I'm a purist.

00:57:04.000 I want to see what is the actual effective technique.

00:57:07.000 There's sometimes, like when you see in jiu-jitsu tournaments, where guys are doing something like they're in a 50-50 position.

00:57:13.000 I'm like... 0.98

00:57:14.000 This guy could punch you in the face, kick you in the face so easy. 0.99

00:57:17.000 This is not a good self-defense position.

00:57:20.000 And you see it in MMA where guys are accustomed to doing that and they're literally face down holding onto an ankle and the dude just boom, boom.

00:57:29.000 One of my boys, Nate, Nate Law, he just fought in his, I think, third pro fight.

00:57:35.000 The guy had a leg lock, and Nate posted this quote from Chill Sonnen after the fight about if a guy is holding onto your leg, just posture up and punch him in the face.

00:57:46.000 And that's what Nate did and won the fight. 0.55

00:57:48.000 So yeah, I mean, the whole leg lock game, I know some stuff with Xguard and whatnot, but I don't really fuck with it too much because I get scared because the commitment when I hold on to someone's leg. 0.89

00:57:57.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:57:58.000 And then you're just exposed.

00:57:59.000 Unless I'm like a Craig Jones type who I just know.

00:58:02.000 As a wizard.

00:58:02.000 Yeah.

00:58:03.000 The thing about leg locks is you have so little time to react. 0.99

00:58:06.000 If you don't tap, there's such a brief, especially like an inside heel hook, there's such a brief amount of time you have before your shit has just blown to smithereens. 0.98

00:58:16.000 It's just fine, this is fine, this is fine, and it's gone. 1.00

00:58:19.000 Rips apart, and then you're fucked for nine months. 0.99

00:58:21.000 Even if I'm running with people, if I don't trust that person, or if I just feel like, I'll just go, yeah, cool, tap, because ego's not worth it. 1.00

00:58:28.000 I don't try and hold onto shit like that. 0.97

00:58:30.000 Especially leg locks. 0.99

00:58:31.000 Do you have a hard time like that, with people trying to get a name for themselves, training with you?

00:58:36.000 Yeah.

00:58:37.000 So that's for me.

00:58:39.000 If I go to a new gym, I pick and choose who I go with. 0.99

00:58:44.000 And it's not like an ego thing because I don't want to get my ass whooped. 0.94

00:58:46.000 It's just like, I don't know you well enough. 0.98

00:58:48.000 And sometimes you see people, they salivate like, oh, this is my chance.

00:58:53.000 I got my shot now.

00:58:54.000 But now sometimes in grappling with some people in the jiu-jitsu class, they'll just...

00:59:00.000 Lower belts.

00:59:01.000 They'll be like, I'm like, I'm good, thank you.

00:59:03.000 You know what I don't like?

00:59:04.000 When I see a dude sitting out around and waiting while you're exhausted, and then they go, do you want to go? 0.99

00:59:10.000 They're like, bitch, I watched you. 1.00

00:59:11.000 I'll call him out. 1.00

00:59:12.000 I watched you just sit down for 10 fucking minutes. 1.00

00:59:15.000 Oh, you'd get that as well, too. 0.99

00:59:16.000 Why didn't you just jump in?

00:59:17.000 Why weren't you just rolling right now?

00:59:19.000 You want to roll fresh?

00:59:20.000 Is that what this is?

00:59:22.000 And you call him out, and you see the look of the face.

00:59:24.000 I just go, nah, I'm good, thank you.

00:59:26.000 And I'll get someone that I actually trust.

00:59:31.000 I know the feeling as well because I'm sure that someone will tap me or do something or I'll just let go.

00:59:36.000 And then it's like that.

00:59:38.000 I know when it's real and it's generally like, good job.

00:59:40.000 And I know the one when it's like...

00:59:43.000 They're like, yeah, I'm going to tell everyone about this.

00:59:44.000 Can't wait to get online.

00:59:46.000 Yeah.

00:59:47.000 Here we go.

00:59:48.000 But again, that's the thing when I talk about ego. 0.99

00:59:49.000 And I had to kill that before I started training grappling because it was just, I sucked. 0.98

00:59:55.000 Right. 0.98

00:59:55.000 Like, nah, I get taps. 0.98

00:59:56.000 One thing I definitely will get is a submission in the UFC before I'm done. 0.85

01:00:00.000 I will choke someone out, like a guillotine or a rear naked. 0.99

01:00:04.000 I like guillotines. 0.98

01:00:06.000 But it's learning how to find the sweet spot for me.

01:00:10.000 The sweet spot when I get it.

01:00:12.000 And when I get it, even a bulldog choke, I get really good at those.

01:00:16.000 Some I can find the spot and I just...

01:00:18.000 Because I got the frame for it.

01:00:20.000 The best person at our gym, Dan, hangman. 1.00

01:00:22.000 That's his shit. 1.00

01:00:23.000 He grabs your neck. 1.00

01:00:25.000 You're going like...

01:00:25.000 It's like, yep.

01:00:26.000 Find a way out.

01:00:27.000 You can't.

01:00:27.000 Cool.

01:00:28.000 Tap.

01:00:29.000 But yeah, I like using guillotines though, especially on wrestlers because it just lets them know, okay, this is always a threat.

01:00:36.000 This is always a threat.

01:00:37.000 But again, it's something I've been working on.

01:00:39.000 But eventually, before I retire, you'll definitely see me get a submission.

01:00:43.000 Well, it's interesting because you're a specialist.

01:00:46.000 You're one of those guys who didn't come in with a full MMA experience.

01:00:50.000 You didn't start as an amateur MMA fighter.

01:00:53.000 You were a kickboxer.

01:00:54.000 I remember when you and I first started talking online.

01:00:57.000 I reached out to you on Instagram.

01:00:58.000 And you were like, I'm going to wait a little while.

01:01:01.000 I'm going to just do this right.

01:01:02.000 Which I thought was very intelligent.

01:01:04.000 Because you could have just jumped in like many guys do.

01:01:07.000 UFC throws you in with a wrestler.

01:01:09.000 You get exposed.

01:01:10.000 And now you're so far behind the curve.

01:01:13.000 It takes a long time to build up your confidence and your momentum again because you got smothered in your first fight.

01:01:18.000 Yeah, that was 2015, I believe.

01:01:20.000 I haven't sent a DM to Dana saying, just give me one shot.

01:01:23.000 Just get me to the cage.

01:01:24.000 I'll do the rest.

01:01:25.000 And look, I would have, but I'm glad I took my time.

01:01:29.000 And it was good for me just to fight different people from Ukraine, China, Brazil, all different types of places. 0.50

01:01:37.000 And then Experience different styles, and that way I felt confident enough when I got to the UFC. My first fight, shout out Rob Wilkinson, good guy, good friend of mine now, and yeah, he tried to take me down constantly, and I was able to withstand that because of the work we did.

01:01:52.000 And Andre, Andre Paulette, my wrestling coach, a lot of drills, just drills, wall work constantly.

01:01:59.000 What year did you start that?

01:02:01.000 What year did you start grappling training?

01:02:02.000 I started in 2010, but I was meant to go into MMA straight away, but there was just so many kickboxing fights, and I kept on getting kickboxing fights that it was just too...

01:02:12.000 Also, I like fighting kickboxing, so I was just like, I'll just take this fight, take this fight, but I was always grappling on the side, like low-key grappling on the side.

01:02:20.000 And eventually, I think...

01:02:22.000 I can't remember what year my first MMA fight was.

01:02:27.000 Would have been 2014, maybe, or 2013. And then I started taking it more seriously.

01:02:33.000 Like, I'm a purple belt now, but I'm like...

01:02:35.000 I'm a purple belt.

01:02:36.000 I know I'm dangerous, but there's levels to belts. 1.00

01:02:41.000 There's some purple belts, blue belts who can kick my ass. 1.00

01:02:44.000 I do enjoy it, though. 0.99

01:02:47.000 I love grappling.

01:02:48.000 I feel like a ninja cat when I'm grappling and I'm on that flow state.

01:02:52.000 It's fun to play with, but then, again, I've only ever shown cases of brief, like again, who's one?

01:03:00.000 Not just the Pereira fight in Madison Square Garden.

01:03:03.000 Gastelum, I had a triangle on them.

01:03:06.000 Tavares, I had a guillotine at the end of the round.

01:03:08.000 Some other ones with the Kimura traps.

01:03:10.000 But yeah, just no one's really put me in that position to make me have to really use my offensive grappling. 0.97

01:03:16.000 But again, when I get taken to the ground, I'm just like, fuck, I'm just gonna stand up.

01:03:20.000 If kickboxing was as big as MMA, do you think you've ever done MMA? That's a good question. 0.95

01:03:28.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:03:29.000 Okay, money-wise, probably ego. 1.00

01:03:33.000 Because I just knew a fucking nerd in pajamas could kick my ass. 1.00

01:03:38.000 I can't have that. 1.00

01:03:39.000 Honestly, I just know some dude can beat me, and he doesn't have to even throw a punch.

01:03:50.000 you know, boxes, you know, like back in the day when it was UFC versus boxing or whatever, I was like, well, this is a, this is real fighting.

01:03:59.000 Like you want to see what the baddest person on the planet is fight, right?

01:04:04.000 No one's telling you, you can't use your weapons, but you want to take away all my weapons.

01:04:07.000 That's why I don't think I'll ever box again.

01:04:09.000 Cause I just think it's too limiting.

01:04:12.000 Even kickboxing, I feel like...

01:04:14.000 It'd be really hard for me to, because it's too limiting.

01:04:18.000 I do like aspects of grappling that I can use in a fight.

01:04:21.000 But yeah, nah.

01:04:23.000 I like full-fledged fighting.

01:04:25.000 I think it's a healthy ego.

01:04:26.000 I just knew I have to really humble myself so I can learn how to fight these guys at their own game.

01:04:33.000 So yeah, that's why.

01:04:34.000 I like how 1FC has everything.

01:04:36.000 They have grappling matches, they have kickboxing matches, they have Muay Thai matches, and they have MMA matches.

01:04:41.000 I think that is the way to go. 0.92

01:04:44.000 And I really wish the UFC, I know they're invested in this slap fighting shit, but instead of that, have a kickboxing league. 0.95

01:04:52.000 I think they don't think that people would get into kickboxing. 0.96

01:04:56.000 I think they're wrong.

01:04:57.000 Yeah, they just did the one in Denver for 1FC recently.

01:05:00.000 Went well, and the fights are crazy.

01:05:02.000 Yes.

01:05:02.000 A lot of knockdowns, a lot of action-packed stuff.

01:05:05.000 But if it was just marketed the right way, you know, with the UFC's marketing machine, easily, easily, it would be one of the biggest leagues.

01:05:13.000 Because everybody loves KOs.

01:05:15.000 Everybody loves stand-up fights.

01:05:16.000 You get that slap fighting.

01:05:18.000 Yeah.

01:05:18.000 There's a lot of KOs there.

01:05:20.000 But you're gonna get real KOs because no one can grapple.

01:05:26.000 You can't grapple.

01:05:27.000 So you're gonna get people that are forced to stand up and you could then attract the greatest strikers in the world like 1FC is doing.

01:05:33.000 They're getting all these Thai killers, you know, these rod tanks, all these like elite Thai fighters and they're all coming over. 0.98

01:05:40.000 And they're fighting in the cage now.

01:05:41.000 And I feel like there's an opportunity for that, for a kickboxing league in America that would be hugely successful if the UFC machine got behind it.

01:05:51.000 You know John Wayne Post started that?

01:05:52.000 I think he did, if I'm thinking about it.

01:05:54.000 Little gloves.

01:05:56.000 I watched both fighters with Brad Riddell, I think.

01:05:59.000 No, the first one with Brad Riddell.

01:06:01.000 The second one, sorry.

01:06:02.000 That was the one I watched at cage fighting.

01:06:04.000 Great fight.

01:06:05.000 Crazy fight.

01:06:05.000 Even though John lost, he just showed me who he is.

01:06:08.000 But yeah, I think he did start cage Muay Thai.

01:06:11.000 Yes.

01:06:11.000 That was his thing.

01:06:12.000 I think it was his thing. 1.00

01:06:13.000 He should have fucking trademarked that shit. 1.00

01:06:16.000 Yeah, well, Muay Thai with little gloves is different too, right? 1.00

01:06:19.000 Because, you know, there's blocks you can't use.

01:06:22.000 Just shielding like a Dutch style.

01:06:24.000 I remember with the big gloves.

01:06:24.000 I always talked about it as well.

01:06:26.000 I always felt my striking was better for MMA. I always felt it was better for MMA because I was like, nah, if you can just do this, that's, yeah, you just block whatever hit.

01:06:35.000 It's just who's tough?

01:06:36.000 Who's tougher?

01:06:37.000 But with the small gloves, you can get around the guard.

01:06:39.000 The hand traps are different.

01:06:41.000 So I always just felt like, yeah, my striking would excel better in MMA. I wasn't as...

01:06:46.000 I'm tough, but I wasn't as just like...

01:06:49.000 Tough for no reason.

01:06:50.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:06:51.000 I like to use my brain.

01:06:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:53.000 So I was just tough for no reason, like boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:06:55.000 Okay, hit you, hit me, hit me, hit you, hit you. 1.00

01:06:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:58.000 That's not my style.

01:06:59.000 I always felt I was slicker, the way I moved, the way I set traps, and that's why I like the MMA Striking better.

01:07:04.000 It's kind of crazy about the Dutch, right? 1.00

01:07:06.000 Like, what is it about them that makes their style so savage?

01:07:09.000 Because if you go back and you watch Ramon Deckers or Rob Kamen or Ernesto Hoost.

01:07:14.000 Yeah.

01:07:14.000 Oh, my God.

01:07:15.000 I think it's his culture.

01:07:17.000 Is that what it is?

01:07:18.000 Yeah, I think it's the culture of the start.

01:07:19.000 Because I've seen some of the gym spars.

01:07:22.000 That's how they...

01:07:22.000 I heard it's insane over there.

01:07:23.000 Yeah, I've seen clips.

01:07:24.000 Khalil was talking about it.

01:07:25.000 Yeah.

01:07:25.000 Khalil was telling him when he went up the train over there years back.

01:07:28.000 And he's like, I can't fucking do this. 0.96

01:07:30.000 Yeah, nah. 0.98

01:07:31.000 These guys are going hard every day.

01:07:33.000 For zero dollars.

01:07:34.000 Yeah.

01:07:35.000 Zero dollars.

01:07:36.000 What do you get paid in glory?

01:07:38.000 What do the best fighters get paid in glory?

01:07:40.000 I wasn't getting paid that much.

01:07:42.000 What does Rico Verhoeven get paid to defend his heavyweight title?

01:07:46.000 I think he probably gets more than most.

01:07:48.000 He's still in glory, right?

01:07:49.000 Yeah.

01:07:50.000 Okay, yeah.

01:07:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:52.000 I kind of fell off them after they robbed me off the fucking belt. 0.99

01:07:55.000 I was just like, yeah, whatever. 0.99

01:07:56.000 I don't care about that anymore.

01:07:57.000 Oh, the Jason Wellness fight?

01:07:58.000 Yeah, after that I kind of fell off.

01:07:59.000 I thought you won that fight, too.

01:08:00.000 Yeah, I know.

01:08:01.000 It's one of those things.

01:08:02.000 Look, I'm glad things happen the way they have in my career because it always gives me an opportunity to come back or rise again and showcase my spirit, my fighting spirit, not just in the cage, but as a human being.

01:08:12.000 So all the things that have happened to me in my career when it comes to losses or setbacks, I just go, cool.

01:08:19.000 Let's see what I can do next.

01:08:20.000 Right.

01:08:21.000 Yeah.

01:08:21.000 Like even, look, the DDP fight, Strickland fight.

01:08:24.000 What's another one?

01:08:25.000 Well, Pereira, I got that back.

01:08:27.000 Yan one, I feel like that was a side quest. 0.92

01:08:28.000 I'm just kind of like, man, that's cool.

01:08:30.000 And I never hold on to them.

01:08:32.000 I never hold on like, I need to get this.

01:08:36.000 It's like, nah, this is fine.

01:08:37.000 Like the Alex one, I was cool if that never happened.

01:08:40.000 But then he decided to chase me, and I was like, cool, let's do it.

01:08:43.000 The Jan thing is a crazy situation, right?

01:08:45.000 Because Jan goes to a split decision with Pereira.

01:08:50.000 It's a great fight.

01:08:51.000 It's a tough fight.

01:08:52.000 He has that crazy fight with Ankoliyev.

01:08:55.000 It goes to a draw.

01:08:56.000 And then no one's talking about him.

01:08:58.000 Everyone's talking about contenders in the light heavyweight division.

01:09:00.000 Like, what about Jan Bojovic? 0.96

01:09:02.000 Get him in now before he's too fucking old. 0.94

01:09:04.000 I think he's already in his 40s. 0.98

01:09:06.000 Early 40s.

01:09:07.000 I think he won the title that old.

01:09:09.000 Wasn't he like 39 or 40 when he won the title?

01:09:12.000 He was.

01:09:12.000 I'm trying to think.

01:09:13.000 I just feel like he's being disrespected.

01:09:16.000 He's just not getting the attention.

01:09:19.000 If you look at his performances, the guy's not had a bad performance.

01:09:23.000 There's not one fight that was boring.

01:09:25.000 There's not one fight where he wasn't...

01:09:26.000 Trying to win.

01:09:27.000 He's not a wrestler.

01:09:29.000 He's fighting top contenders.

01:09:31.000 He's fighting top guys. 1.00

01:09:32.000 He's a fucking animal. 1.00

01:09:34.000 And he's out of the conversation. 1.00

01:09:36.000 Like, they're talking about Ankalaev fighting, you know, like, oh, Alex is avoiding Ankalaev, so he takes Khalil. 0.99

01:09:43.000 Ankalaev and Jan Bohovich went to a fucking draw. 0.98

01:09:46.000 Like, what about that? 0.99

01:09:47.000 Like, what about him?

01:09:48.000 Yeah, maybe because he doesn't make as much noise, because I don't really see him on there as much anymore.

01:09:55.000 What does it say?

01:09:56.000 Ah, okay.

01:09:57.000 Oh, he's supposed to fight Rakic, but he got a shoulder injury.

01:10:01.000 Okay, he's hurt right now.

01:10:02.000 Oh, shoulder surgery.

01:10:03.000 But that was January, so that was 10 months ago.

01:10:06.000 Yeah, he is.

01:10:07.000 Yeah, it must be.

01:10:08.000 Well, that's about the amount of time, especially when you're dealing with shoulder injuries, man. 0.99

01:10:13.000 Those fucking things take forever. 0.99

01:10:15.000 Yeah, nah. 1.00

01:10:15.000 Go see fucking what's-his-name Briggs. 1.00

01:10:17.000 But yeah, I'm glad I got some today, though. 0.98

01:10:19.000 Thank you for that.

01:10:20.000 I actually feel better.

01:10:21.000 Stem cells.

01:10:21.000 Yeah.

01:10:21.000 Not from the stem cells.

01:10:23.000 I liked it from the drip I got earlier.

01:10:25.000 But yeah, the stem cells.

01:10:27.000 The ones I had in my...

01:10:29.000 My ankle.

01:10:30.000 Yeah, they worked when I went to Mexico.

01:10:33.000 It's a game changer.

01:10:34.000 It's a game changer. 0.98

01:10:35.000 And we're getting fucked here in America where it's very difficult to get the same kind of treatment that you can get in Mexico and Panama. 0.97

01:10:42.000 What they can do here is much more limited. 0.96

01:10:45.000 Hopefully in the future they'll release those limitations, but...

01:10:48.000 In America, you're dealing with a lot of corruption because orthopedic surgeons, pharmaceutical drug companies, they're going to lose a lot of money if they have stem cell treatments because there's so many different things that it could fix.

01:10:59.000 Even Briggs was just talking about what he said on here, just going at them, and that went viral, which is good.

01:11:05.000 I just told him, bro, put out a tweet and say, I will never, ever kill myself, ever.

01:11:10.000 I think that's a smart thing to do. 0.99

01:11:14.000 When you start fucking with those guys, pharmaceutical companies, they'll find anything. 0.99

01:11:18.000 Yeah, you get in a plane crash. 1.00

01:11:19.000 Whoopsie.

01:11:20.000 Oh, how did that happen?

01:11:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:21.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:11:22.000 There was one. 1.00

01:11:22.000 What was the one for me? 1.00

01:11:23.000 I put that tweet out one time because I kind of got a little paranoid.

01:11:27.000 So I did this interview with Oscar Willis, right?

01:11:31.000 And I started talking about the whole...

01:11:34.000 This is when Epstein just got arrested.

01:11:35.000 And I was saying like, well, Epstein just got arrested, right?

01:11:38.000 And then Oscar goes, yeah, it's funny how the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard case is getting more attention than that.

01:11:43.000 And I'm like, crazy, isn't it?

01:11:45.000 So this Epstein guy just sold kids or whatever, trafficked them to these rich oligarchs and whatnot.

01:11:52.000 And I was like, what happened to them?

01:11:53.000 What happens to those people?

01:11:54.000 Where's the list?

01:11:55.000 And then, I didn't think anything of it, but then it went viral, and then every year since, it goes viral at least twice or three times. 0.99

01:12:02.000 I'll see it just circulate again, and I'm just like, oh, fuck. 0.99

01:12:05.000 So then I went on Twitter, and I said, I will never, ever kill myself. 0.99

01:12:12.000 I've never even come close.

01:12:14.000 I mean, we all think about it sometimes.

01:12:16.000 Like when I was working this job, you just have like a passing fleeting thought like, oh, if I just jump over this bridge and hurt my leg, I don't have to work for the next six months because I hated my last job.

01:12:25.000 But I would never, ever, ever, ever kill myself.

01:12:29.000 I'm not that...

01:12:30.000 I'm not built that way.

01:12:31.000 And I've been there before when, I think 2013, and I realized, is this how people feel before they kill themselves?

01:12:36.000 Like, how sad they were?

01:12:39.000 And I was like, man, that's sad.

01:12:40.000 That just made me feel sad for those who actually go through with it.

01:12:43.000 But yeah, anyway, I would never kill myself, just in case.

01:12:47.000 Well, there's enough people commenting on the Epstein case that I don't think you have to worry, but the people that are in the position to actually know the people's names on the list, those people are probably in trouble.

01:12:57.000 Yeah.

01:12:58.000 Because that's a crazy piece of information to have.

01:13:01.000 And the fact is that, look- No one's been tried.

01:13:04.000 No one's been brought away.

01:13:05.000 No one's been discussed.

01:13:07.000 We know who went there.

01:13:08.000 We know flight logs.

01:13:09.000 No one talks about anything There's no effort to prosecute.

01:13:13.000 There's no effort and then you have Glenn Maxwell who's in jail for sex trafficking to Who who you have to have you have to have done it to someone but there's no effort at all to uncover that But I'm saying now, this year, it's kind of crazy how this year started off with, what's his name, Cat Williams on Shannon Sharp.

01:13:34.000 He starts talking, spilling the tea, sipping the cognac, and then now this whole P. Diddy thing.

01:13:39.000 Sometimes you have to tell Diddy no.

01:13:41.000 Oh, man, bro.

01:13:42.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:13:44.000 Sean Diddy Combs' alleged list of accomplishments to be revealed soon.

01:13:47.000 The names will shock you, attorney says.

01:13:49.000 Whoa.

01:13:49.000 I think he's going to sing, eh?

01:13:51.000 I think he has to sing or he goes to jail for the rest of his life.

01:13:54.000 Bro, also, I'll tell you one thing.

01:13:54.000 God protects me.

01:13:55.000 I'm so glad God protects me.

01:13:58.000 Because, look, if I got invited to the white party, I'd have gone. 0.88

01:14:03.000 Especially if you didn't know.

01:14:04.000 Of course.

01:14:05.000 No one knew.

01:14:06.000 If you don't know, you're just a celebrity.

01:14:08.000 And you know, oh, Jennifer Lopez is going to be there. 1.00

01:14:11.000 Oh, Rick Ross is going to be there.

01:14:12.000 Everyone's going to be there.

01:14:13.000 That would be a cool place.

01:14:14.000 I want to meet those people.

01:14:16.000 Facts.

01:14:16.000 And I just want to be there having fun partying.

01:14:18.000 But then they start to...

01:14:19.000 Apparently, they said they were using...

01:14:22.000 I'm gonna guess it's like ketamine because it said horse tranquilizer and they're putting in people's drinks and the champagne and then getting them all loose.

01:14:28.000 Yeah.

01:14:28.000 I'll tell you a secret.

01:14:29.000 It's just us two, right?

01:14:30.000 Yeah.

01:14:32.000 After I knocked out Pereira in Miami, we went to Tootsie's the next night and they were like, yo, P. Diddy wasn't here watching your fight last night.

01:14:39.000 I was like, wait, word?

01:14:41.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:14:41.000 And I went and I checked my DMs and I saw, oh, shit, he hit me up. 1.00

01:14:45.000 And he was talking about two months later, I want to do an interview or whatever. 0.95

01:14:48.000 And I said, here's my manager's number.

01:14:50.000 Bop, cool.

01:14:51.000 Nothing ever came off it.

01:14:52.000 But again, that's why I said, God be protecting me.

01:14:54.000 Right, right, right.

01:14:55.000 Because who knows?

01:14:55.000 Like, you never know.

01:14:56.000 Oh, yeah, we're having this party later on.

01:14:58.000 Yeah, that's cool.

01:14:59.000 All right, cool, cool.

01:15:00.000 And then they start to, like, you know, you find some chick, you pull on you, and then Oh, how was that 15-year-old?

01:15:05.000 Like, wait, what?

01:15:06.000 Right.

01:15:07.000 And you're filmed.

01:15:08.000 Yeah.

01:15:09.000 I heard about that.

01:15:10.000 Yeah.

01:15:11.000 Allegedly.

01:15:12.000 Cameras all over the house.

01:15:14.000 A thousand bottles of baby oil.

01:15:17.000 Yeah.

01:15:17.000 What?

01:15:18.000 Nobody's that ashy, bro. 1.00

01:15:22.000 Also, by the way, that's shit lube. 1.00

01:15:25.000 Coconut oil is better. 1.00

01:15:26.000 Fucking water-based lubricant. 1.00

01:15:28.000 But baby oil is acidic as fuck. 1.00

01:15:30.000 Johnson& Johnson's. 1.00

01:15:32.000 That's demonic, bro.

01:15:33.000 Why would you use baby oil? 1.00

01:15:35.000 Even if you're fucking dudes. 1.00

01:15:37.000 Nah! 1.00

01:15:37.000 You probably started out with it. 1.00

01:15:38.000 That's all the bottles.

01:15:39.000 Nah, that's AI. That's gotta be AI. I don't know if it's AI. I think that's real.

01:15:45.000 I think it was lube and baby oil.

01:15:47.000 I think you had a variety of different substances.

01:15:49.000 Who counted that?

01:15:50.000 It was a thousand.

01:15:51.000 Look at that.

01:15:52.000 One, two, three bottles of baby oil.

01:15:54.000 Four, five, six bottles of baby oil on the wall. 0.99

01:15:57.000 Imagine having 500 bottles and go, we need to go for a fucking Target run. 0.99

01:16:01.000 Nah, man. 1.00

01:16:02.000 The fact that they said it was fucking, what do you call it, Costco, and Costco goes, nah, we don't sell that shit. 1.00

01:16:06.000 What is this? 1.00

01:16:07.000 Defaced AR-15s?

01:16:09.000 Interesting.

01:16:09.000 What does that mean?

01:16:10.000 Does that mean they scratched the serial numbers off?

01:16:12.000 Yeah.

01:16:13.000 Whoa, that's a serious crime.

01:16:15.000 Yeah.

01:16:15.000 That's a serious crime.

01:16:16.000 But again, see, he's in cahoots with Epstein.

01:16:20.000 And then...

01:16:22.000 Is he in cahoots with Epstein?

01:16:24.000 Or was it just a similar type of an operation?

01:16:26.000 No, no.

01:16:26.000 They were friends.

01:16:27.000 Really? 0.98

01:16:28.000 Yeah, because Epstein had a fucking on Miami as well, that really private, rich estate in Miami. 0.97

01:16:36.000 So they were all in cahoots as well. 0.98

01:16:38.000 But again, I think he's going to sing.

01:16:40.000 Isn't it crazy?

01:16:41.000 That was always the conspiracy theory, tinfoil hat thing. 1.00

01:16:46.000 Oh, there's a place where the elites go to fuck underage kids. 1.00

01:16:49.000 You're like, what? 1.00

01:16:49.000 What's his name? 1.00

01:16:50.000 Alex Jones.

01:16:51.000 Alex Jones.

01:16:51.000 He was right.

01:16:52.000 He was right.

01:16:53.000 He was right about a lot of things.

01:16:54.000 Almost everything.

01:16:55.000 Yeah, most.

01:16:56.000 About almost everyone. 0.80

01:16:57.000 Fucked up that one. 0.90

01:17:00.000 But almost everything else, he was right. 0.99

01:17:02.000 But you've got to realize that that guy had been uncovering real conspiracies that the media had not covered for fucking decades. 0.96

01:17:11.000 And he was literally having a psychotic break because of it. 0.97

01:17:15.000 Because he's just drinking all the time and dealing with the stress.

01:17:17.000 How would you? 0.50

01:17:18.000 Even Kanye, imagine you trying to tell people something and then no one believes you and they call you crazy.

01:17:24.000 I'd go crazy just trying to explain to people.

01:17:28.000 I can imagine the frustration, the frustration of trying to explain to someone and you're like, no, this is really happening.

01:17:34.000 And they're like, yeah, whatever, you're this and that.

01:17:35.000 And I went down the rabbit hole in 2020, I'll tell you, I did, I had to. 0.98

01:17:40.000 And for me, it was just like, I could see the fuckery. 0.99

01:17:45.000 Look, this is the mark of the immigrant. 1.00

01:17:49.000 It's right here.

01:17:50.000 If you look at any immigrant, it's just like that little dot. 1.00

01:17:53.000 It's a keloid. 1.00

01:17:54.000 It's from a vaccine we all had as kids all over Africa.

01:17:58.000 I can't remember what it was for.

01:17:59.000 So I'm not opposed to vaccines.

01:18:01.000 But when someone's trying to force you or coerce you or whatever into...

01:18:09.000 Taking something that, like, you know, something just doesn't feel right about it.

01:18:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:14.000 But again, I grew up in Nigeria.

01:18:16.000 I know how corruption works.

01:18:18.000 Right.

01:18:19.000 So, I mean, I'm a law-abiding citizen.

01:18:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:18:23.000 I did my part.

01:18:24.000 Whatever.

01:18:25.000 But still, I just knew something was afoot.

01:18:27.000 So, I... Yeah, I did my part.

01:18:30.000 I played the game because it's all a game.

01:18:32.000 I got offered different ways to play the game, but I was like, I'll find my own way.

01:18:37.000 And I did.

01:18:37.000 So, yeah, stay pure, which is good.

01:18:40.000 Yeah, this whole thing was just money.

01:18:43.000 It was just they were trying to convince everybody that needed a vaccine because they wanted to make enormous amounts of money and they pulled it off.

01:18:48.000 And then now, with all the information that's come out, all the deaths.

01:18:54.000 I saw that show, Die Suddenly or whatever.

01:18:57.000 And you see the blood clots from the same time that the vaccine got pushed.

01:19:03.000 Excuse me.

01:19:04.000 And then everyone just goes, oh.

01:19:07.000 Oh, well.

01:19:08.000 Carrying on my death.

01:19:09.000 Again, I'm frustrated in a sense, but I don't say anything. 0.99

01:19:12.000 We fucking told you's. 1.00

01:19:14.000 Yes. 0.99

01:19:15.000 But then, I don't need an apology. 1.00

01:19:18.000 No one needs an apology, but it's kind of like everyone just, oh, well, I guess that's that, and then carry on with your fucking life. 0.92

01:19:23.000 I was talking to a dude last night who's a veteran who was telling me that the hospital where these veterans get treated, they literally told him we are not allowed to make a connection with any of these adverse side effects to the vaccine. 0.96

01:19:37.000 Even ones that are listed as vaccine side effects, they're not allowed to make that connection because they mandated the vaccine.

01:19:44.000 And this is the real problem.

01:19:46.000 The reason why all these corporations and all these people don't want to talk about it is because they mandated their employees to get vaccinated.

01:19:52.000 So they, even though there's no liability for the vaccine manufacturers because they're exempt, which is part of the problem why they fucking propose all these things anyway, but then you're not allowed to make the connection with the problem these people are having and the fact that they got vaccinated two, three times, you're not even allowed to say that this might have been the cause of it.

01:20:12.000 They're not even allowed to...

01:20:14.000 Bring up that connection.

01:20:15.000 So they have to just treat whatever this side effect of the vaccine is without talking at all about the vaccine and not give any connection to it.

01:20:23.000 Isn't that funny?

01:20:24.000 It's through the looking glass.

01:20:25.000 Yeah.

01:20:26.000 It's like we're living in the matrix, man.

01:20:28.000 It really is.

01:20:28.000 It's like there's complete mind control.

01:20:30.000 And the idea of mind control is like, no, mind control is not real.

01:20:33.000 Of course it's real.

01:20:33.000 It happens.

01:20:34.000 I've seen it.

01:20:34.000 So many bots, bro.

01:20:36.000 Like sometimes...

01:20:37.000 I move through life, and I feel like, look, we are all born as players in this game, but everyone gets kind of programmed through schooling or whatever, education system, society, and then they just become bots.

01:20:50.000 And I can see it as well.

01:20:51.000 Because when I was bringing it up, and I would say something, People I really love and trust sometimes, and they instantly, they call it Agent Smith Syndrome.

01:21:01.000 Uh-huh.

01:21:01.000 And they decide, no, actually, this and that, right, right, right.

01:21:04.000 I'm like...

01:21:05.000 But you know why that is?

01:21:06.000 Because they got vaccinated, and they told people to get vaccinated, and they don't want to believe they made the bad decision, and they don't want to believe they coerced other people into making a bad decision.

01:21:17.000 Yeah.

01:21:17.000 So they want to come up with all sorts of reasons why all these health problems, and then the overall all-cause mortality increase, which is through the roof.

01:21:27.000 In some age brackets, it's 40% increase in all-cause mortality.

01:21:32.000 Strokes, cancer, heart attacks, all these things have gone through the roof, and no one is making a connection.

01:21:38.000 Must be just, you know, the food people are eating who are just ignoring it.

01:21:43.000 It's just money.

01:21:43.000 Even some people that did get it, they tell me they regret getting it.

01:21:47.000 Yeah, most people.

01:21:48.000 So many times they say, I regret getting it, but I had to because if not, my job was going to fire me, then I had to. 0.97

01:21:53.000 And the fucking gaslighting thing, our former fucking prime minister, she said, I don't believe we coerced anyone into getting it. 0.98

01:22:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:03.000 And you just, I'm like, bitch, you literally said if you can't, if you don't get this, you can't go grocery shopping, can't go to restaurants, you can't do that. 1.00

01:22:13.000 Can't work. 0.99

01:22:14.000 So your livelihood gone.

01:22:15.000 But then we didn't, I don't think we forced anyone.

01:22:17.000 We didn't force your hand.

01:22:19.000 Like when people do, that's the ultimate form of gaslighting.

01:22:21.000 You're just like...

01:22:22.000 In our face.

01:22:23.000 The pressure was incredible.

01:22:25.000 The pressure was incredible.

01:22:26.000 And, you know, I felt it in the weirdest way because I saw people lying about me on CNN. I was like, this is crazy.

01:22:34.000 Or the horse tranquilizer thing?

01:22:36.000 Yeah, it was horse dewormer.

01:22:37.000 They changed the color of my face.

01:22:39.000 They made me look yellow and sick on television. 0.98

01:22:42.000 I'm like, if you do that to me, and by the way, no one gave a fuck that I got better real quick. 0.99

01:22:48.000 That was the craziest part about it. 0.98

01:22:49.000 Isn't this supposed to be about recovering from a disease? 0.99

01:22:51.000 Here you got a guy who's recovered in three days and is telling you all the shit he took, and you're lying. 0.98

01:22:58.000 They still try to superimpose that sepia kind of filter over you. 0.96

01:23:02.000 The one that got me, because we still travel during 2020, I did four of those MIQ quarantines.

01:23:10.000 The one where you go back to your own country, and then you have to quarantine in a hotel for two weeks before you get let back into society.

01:23:19.000 My coach usually did nine.

01:23:21.000 A lot of those.

01:23:22.000 He even told me, Israel, that last one.

01:23:24.000 Luckily, the last one, he was able to do it in his house, but then his family had to go live somewhere else for two weeks.

01:23:29.000 He was just grateful he had it in his house.

01:23:31.000 My last one, I remember... 0.98

01:23:34.000 I went outside for our fucking daily outside for, what, 40 minutes or whatever. 0.95

01:23:41.000 Sometimes we get shipped onto the playpen on a bus like prisoners or whatever. 0.97

01:23:46.000 And then I remember everyone was doing these circles, just walking in a circle. 0.99

01:23:50.000 And I almost did a full circle one time and I was like, what the fuck am I doing?

01:23:53.000 And then I went back into my room and I stayed in my room for the remaining 11 days because I just felt like this was too much.

01:24:02.000 And then also the one that got me was...

01:24:04.000 Third one, this lady had a kid and she may be paraplegic or whatever. 1.00

01:24:10.000 She had a neurological disease and then the kid had a seizure while the mom was having a smoke somewhere.

01:24:17.000 The kid had a seizure and one of the guys went and helped the mom with the kid and the officer that helped the mom with the kid, they put him in quarantine for three days because he didn't have the correct PPE gear on.

01:24:29.000 So that let me know This isn't about looking after people.

01:24:34.000 It's about punishing this guy for disobeying the law.

01:24:36.000 Because he didn't have...

01:24:37.000 So wait, oh, someone's having a seizure.

01:24:38.000 Hold up, miss. 0.99

01:24:39.000 Let me go put on this fucking overall and tape my gloves on. 0.99

01:24:42.000 Right. 1.00

01:24:43.000 While this kid's dying.

01:24:44.000 Exactly.

01:24:45.000 And they punished him for that. 0.99

01:24:46.000 So that let me know, like, okay, this is fuckery. 0.99

01:24:49.000 This is a foot. 0.96

01:24:49.000 Well, I remember when Dan Hooker had fought over here, and then there was a picture of him being on the side of a fence looking at his daughter. 0.96

01:24:58.000 It was heartbreaking.

01:24:59.000 He couldn't see his daughter for like two weeks.

01:25:02.000 Eugene had the same thing.

01:25:03.000 He had a newborn at the time, so I have a picture of him with his wife and his son on the other side as well.

01:25:09.000 And then he was separating families, all that kind of stuff.

01:25:13.000 I like my alone time.

01:25:15.000 I might seem like a social butterfly, and I am.

01:25:18.000 I can do both.

01:25:18.000 But I love my alone time, and I like being inside.

01:25:22.000 But when you have too much alone time, that's bad.

01:25:26.000 I didn't like that, because then you start to go in your head with all these other things.

01:25:29.000 I mean, I didn't go crazy, but I was dancing on the edge.

01:25:33.000 I enjoyed it. 0.98

01:25:35.000 People on Twitter lost their fucking mind because they were on Twitter all day long, locked in their house during quarantine for months and months at a time, just literally getting mentally ill, just reading Twitter and attacking people, and then blaming all these people that are unvaccinated on all the problems of the world. 0.99

01:25:53.000 They just put us against each other. 1.00

01:25:54.000 Yeah.

01:25:55.000 Constantly.

01:25:56.000 I just hope people don't do that again.

01:25:59.000 I hope people realize, like, hey, no one benefited from that.

01:26:03.000 No one got better.

01:26:04.000 It didn't help anybody survive. 1.00

01:26:06.000 It was all bullshit. 1.00

01:26:07.000 I hope there's another lockdown. 1.00

01:26:09.000 Really?

01:26:09.000 Yeah, just for like a month.

01:26:11.000 I think, okay, look, every year, at least for two weeks, or even some places, maybe a month, just, all right, shut everything down.

01:26:19.000 Everyone go.

01:26:20.000 It was good. 1.00

01:26:20.000 You get to spend time with your family or the people you live with and realize, do I fuck with these people? 1.00

01:26:25.000 Or do I not? 0.99

01:26:26.000 And then also build relationships, end relationships, things like that.

01:26:31.000 The whole world got better. 0.99

01:26:32.000 The fucking ocean got cleaner. 0.99

01:26:34.000 So I think it's good. 1.00

01:26:35.000 Lockdown was good for that when it was okay.

01:26:38.000 But not for extended periods like six months or whatever.

01:26:40.000 That was crazy.

01:26:41.000 It's terrible for the economy.

01:26:42.000 Even a lockdown for a month is terrible for the economy.

01:26:44.000 How so?

01:26:44.000 It takes a long time to recover.

01:26:46.000 Oh, true.

01:26:47.000 When everything seizes and you're not getting any packages in, like right now there's a Teamsters and longshoremen strike in America, which means all the docks, all the shipments are coming in.

01:26:57.000 No one's moving nothing.

01:26:59.000 Everything's locked down.

01:26:59.000 I think it's still all the Amazon just for two weeks.

01:27:01.000 No, no, no, no. 0.99

01:27:02.000 Damn, really? 0.99

01:27:03.000 Eventually, that's all going to lock down. 0.99

01:27:05.000 Eventually, there's going to be nothing.

01:27:06.000 If these guys keep going, it's going to cripple the economy.

01:27:09.000 Okay.

01:27:09.000 Right now, it's only been a couple of days, but the head of the longshoremen's union was talking about what effect it's going to have, and he basically said, I will crush you.

01:27:18.000 Why are they doing it?

01:27:18.000 Because they want more money.

01:27:20.000 They feel like they have a more valuable position than they're being compensated for, and this is the best way they can negotiate.

01:27:26.000 You guys need to understand how valuable we are to your society. 1.00

01:27:30.000 You take us for granted, you don't want to give us what's fair, and so we're gonna fuck you. 0.99

01:27:34.000 And they haven't had a lockdown like that since 1977. Damn, I guess it's a real one. 1.00

01:27:40.000 It's a real one. 0.98

01:27:40.000 It's a scary one too because they have an immense power and they haven't flexed it before and they're flexing it now. 0.98

01:27:47.000 And they're flexing it like right before an election, which is who knows what kind of effect that's going to have.

01:27:52.000 Because if the economy tanks because of that and they can blame Biden and Kamala Harris, it could get crazy.

01:27:58.000 Yeah.

01:27:59.000 Alright, we'll see.

01:28:00.000 When did that start?

01:28:00.000 Like a week ago, two weeks ago?

01:28:02.000 A couple days ago.

01:28:02.000 Oh, really?

01:28:03.000 I think it was October 1st. 1.00

01:28:04.000 Shit. 1.00

01:28:05.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:28:06.000 Interesting.

01:28:06.000 I always like it when...

01:28:08.000 Look, I love America, but I like watching it from New Zealand. 0.98

01:28:14.000 Like when I come here, I love the food, like the fucking, you know, Shake Shack or the just delicious. 0.97

01:28:19.000 Like last night, it took so long for this burger or something Austin to get to our hotel. 0.95

01:28:25.000 But then when it got there, we just smashed like all these smash burgers.

01:28:28.000 I ate three of them.

01:28:29.000 So good.

01:28:30.000 And I go back home and I eat clean and I get my buddy right again.

01:28:32.000 But...

01:28:33.000 Here, I love it.

01:28:35.000 Even when Trump won, I was stuck here in San Diego for about eight weeks.

01:28:40.000 That's when I went to Atos Jiu Jitsu and I got really, really good at Jiu Jitsu for a while. 0.97

01:28:46.000 Me and my teammates, we just thought like when Trump wins, we need to have food for four days because it's going to be fucking crazy. 0.76

01:28:54.000 Because from where we are in New Zealand... 0.87

01:28:57.000 The camera only shows you this.

01:28:59.000 So Trump wins.

01:29:00.000 We're looking outside like, okay, it's safe, cool.

01:29:04.000 Nothing's really happening.

01:29:05.000 You see Trump flags on someone's lawn, Biden or whatever on someone's lawn still.

01:29:10.000 It's fine.

01:29:11.000 But then someone explained to me that even the Capitol riots in D.C., they face the cameras this way.

01:29:18.000 If you just turn the cameras this way, you'll see the rest of the street just normal.

01:29:21.000 So from New Zealand, when we see what's happening here, it's just the biggest, craziest sitcom.

01:29:27.000 And again, like I said, I love America, but I like watching it from New Zealand.

01:29:30.000 But I do enjoy being here, but again, watching it from New Zealand, we have our own chaos to deal with, but this one is just juicy.

01:29:36.000 It's a different kind of chaos.

01:29:37.000 The whole world's watching.

01:29:38.000 That's what's different, because America's such a weird country, that the whole world is watching when we have elections.

01:29:43.000 Even, look, Trump just got almost assassinated.

01:29:46.000 Twice.

01:29:47.000 Twice?

01:29:47.000 Twice.

01:29:48.000 What?

01:29:48.000 No, no, no.

01:29:48.000 There was a second assassination attempt.

01:29:50.000 No.

01:29:50.000 Yeah, there was a guy who got caught with an AK-47.

01:29:53.000 He was hiding in the bushes for 12 hours, got in a shootout with the Secret Service.

01:29:57.000 I missed all this.

01:29:58.000 Yeah, because they took it in and out of the news in like a heartbeat.

01:30:01.000 Wait, there was a shootout.

01:30:02.000 No, the Secret Service shot at him.

01:30:05.000 He fled.

01:30:06.000 I don't think he shot at the Secret Service.

01:30:08.000 He fled and then they caught him.

01:30:11.000 Was this before or after?

01:30:13.000 After.

01:30:13.000 Okay, I see.

01:30:14.000 So this is a guy who's a real lunatic. 0.97

01:30:16.000 He went over Ukraine to fight for the Ukraine forces. 1.00

01:30:20.000 It's a crazy person. 0.99

01:30:21.000 Right. 0.99

01:30:21.000 And this guy was somehow or another armed to the tits, even though it's illegal for him to be carrying a gun. 0.99

01:30:28.000 He's a convicted felon. 0.99

01:30:29.000 And he almost assassinated Trump. 0.98

01:30:33.000 Out of the news cycle in a couple of days.

01:30:36.000 I missed that completely.

01:30:37.000 I didn't even know about it.

01:30:38.000 This is news to me.

01:30:38.000 Bro, they gloss over it.

01:30:39.000 They don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:30:40.000 But again, how do you gloss over that? 0.99

01:30:42.000 The one when he got shot and he just turned his ear. 0.95

01:30:45.000 Crazy. 0.96

01:30:46.000 There's so many things fucked up with that. 0.99

01:30:48.000 You know why?

01:30:48.000 I mean, I'm sure you've already talked about this with other people.

01:30:50.000 But it's just the fact that they apparently saw him on the roof for, what, nine minutes or something beforehand and just watched him.

01:30:58.000 So many things.

01:30:59.000 Everything's wrong with that one.

01:31:00.000 Everything's wrong.

01:31:01.000 It wasn't really Secret Service.

01:31:02.000 A lot of those are Homeland Security.

01:31:03.000 The lady with the gun. 0.96

01:31:06.000 Fumbling with the gun.

01:31:08.000 Full panic.

01:31:09.000 Yeah, the whole thing was madness.

01:31:10.000 And the fact that that went out of the news cycle real quickly, too.

01:31:14.000 Nobody cares about the fact they almost killed that guy.

01:31:16.000 Now it's about the debate.

01:31:17.000 It's about the debate.

01:31:19.000 And they went right back to calling him a threat to democracy, a threat to our society, and like, hey, who was that kid?

01:31:25.000 How did he die?

01:31:26.000 What happened there?

01:31:27.000 How did he get a hold of those detonators?

01:31:29.000 How did his apartment get completely professionally scrubbed?

01:31:33.000 When they went to that kid's house, there was no silverware.

01:31:36.000 His house was professionally scrubbed.

01:31:37.000 And he lived by himself.

01:31:38.000 Isn't he a teenager?

01:31:39.000 20 years old.

01:31:40.000 Meanwhile, he was in a Black Rock commercial.

01:31:43.000 Blackrock, the company.

01:31:44.000 Yeah, he was in a Blackrock commercial.

01:31:45.000 Okay.

01:31:47.000 And then, yeah, dude, there's so much to that story.

01:31:50.000 And here's the thing. 1.00

01:31:51.000 If he kills Trump and then they kill him, who knows? 1.00

01:31:54.000 It's all lost. 1.00

01:31:55.000 It's all in the wind. 1.00

01:31:57.000 Oh, lone shooter, crazy person, unfortunately got ahold of Trump. 0.98

01:32:01.000 You know what we need to do? 0.99

01:32:01.000 Take everyone's guns. 0.99

01:32:03.000 Because gun violence is a real problem in this country.

01:32:05.000 You know what's also a problem?

01:32:07.000 Mind control?

01:32:07.000 Like, what did you do to that kid?

01:32:09.000 What drugs was he on?

01:32:10.000 No toxicology examination.

01:32:12.000 They burned his body in 10 days.

01:32:14.000 Really?

01:32:15.000 FBI took a hold of his body.

01:32:16.000 So they didn't even bury him? 1.00

01:32:16.000 No, they fucking cremated his ass. 1.00

01:32:18.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:32:19.000 See, this is what I like. 1.00

01:32:20.000 I just get the popcorn.

01:32:21.000 I just go, yo.

01:32:22.000 It's nuts.

01:32:23.000 Because he would have been Lee Harvey Oswald too.

01:32:25.000 I mean, just like Lee Harvey Oswald allegedly shoots JFK. Jack Ruby walks up to him.

01:32:31.000 Bam! 0.98

01:32:31.000 Shoots him. 0.98

01:32:32.000 He's dead. 0.99

01:32:33.000 What happened?

01:32:33.000 Who knows?

01:32:34.000 That's the whole magic bullet theory.

01:32:35.000 Again, I've gone down that rabbit hole to a point where I saw that it might have been the driver.

01:32:40.000 Nah.

01:32:40.000 No?

01:32:41.000 Nah.

01:32:41.000 Okay.

01:32:42.000 Nah.

01:32:43.000 So is that clip AI? Yeah, that's bullshit. 1.00

01:32:47.000 Multiple shooters for sure. 1.00

01:32:48.000 Most likely people in the grassy knoll and most likely probably somebody from where Oswald was as well.

01:32:54.000 It might even have been Oswald.

01:32:55.000 Oswald might have taken a shot as well. 1.00

01:32:57.000 Fuck, I saw this video. 1.00

01:32:58.000 See, you can't trust shit these days. 1.00

01:33:00.000 No. 0.99

01:33:00.000 Bro, I swear next year, I think next year it'll be when it's like you have to really know what you're watching. 0.99

01:33:07.000 I'll have to question everything. 0.99

01:33:09.000 Because now it's fingers, text, I can kind of, oh, that's a bullshit. 0.97

01:33:12.000 And also there's a little texture. 0.92

01:33:14.000 There's a texture with the AI videos and I'm like, that's AI. For now.

01:33:18.000 Yeah, it's going to get better and better.

01:33:20.000 Yeah, I got to piss.

01:33:21.000 Let's take a leak real quick.

01:33:22.000 No worries.

01:33:23.000 Yeah, I'll take a piss as well.

01:33:24.000 Talking about my documentary.

01:33:26.000 It's great.

01:33:27.000 What were we talking about before? 1.00

01:33:29.000 Oh, we just went on a tangent about fucking chemtrails and shit. 0.99

01:33:33.000 No, but I was just telling Jamie about my documentary. 0.99

01:33:36.000 I said he should watch it as well.

01:33:37.000 I said even if it wasn't about me, I'd still recommend it because it was a well-made, not-so-sporty, sporty film.

01:33:45.000 One of the best pictures I got sent was this lady knitting on a plane.

01:33:50.000 And then watching it, and I thought that was like an old lady, not her demographic watching MMA. She's watching me through the documentary Knitting because it was something that was different. 0.56

01:34:02.000 When did they start filming this?

01:34:04.000 They came on board in 2018. We started talking.

01:34:12.000 And then they came on board with their cameras.

01:34:16.000 But Jeff St. Leo, who is my videographer, works for Zuck now, literally does everything.

01:34:22.000 But yeah, he had a lot of behind-the-scenes footage.

01:34:26.000 And we just put it all together, talking about my kind of...

01:34:31.000 Rise in this game, but also dealing with the I guess the pressures of all this, you know?

01:34:38.000 Because no one there's no book on how to be famous, right?

01:34:41.000 I had to learn this on my own.

01:34:43.000 I had to learn this myself.

01:34:44.000 What was the most difficult part of it for you?

01:34:46.000 For me, I think people.

01:34:48.000 I just didn't expect that.

01:34:49.000 I knew I wanted to be...

01:34:51.000 When you grow up, you think, I want to be rich and famous.

01:34:54.000 Like, you know, the MTV Cribs era, the Pimp My Ride era.

01:34:57.000 I thought, yo, when I'm rich, I'm going to have seven cars, one for every day of the week.

01:35:02.000 I'm going to have this many houses.

01:35:03.000 I have real estate now differently.

01:35:05.000 But also, I only need two cars.

01:35:07.000 Like, there's all these other stuff that comes through.

01:35:09.000 Also, I'm not a car person like you.

01:35:11.000 I just like Hot Wheels.

01:35:13.000 But...

01:35:14.000 But now I can buy one of them.

01:35:16.000 Doesn't she have the McLaren, though?

01:35:17.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:35:18.000 My best reaction when I wrapped it was, I love seeing little boys be like, when they see it, yeah.

01:35:24.000 But now I put it back to black, and I'm going to do something different to it later on with some airbrushing.

01:35:28.000 Not me, my guy, Matty Bro.

01:35:30.000 But yeah, it was just people.

01:35:32.000 There's even a bit in this documentary where they would just film me one day, and then these kids are like, they just drove by my house, like, And they beeped the horn.

01:35:44.000 And it kind of gave me a fright.

01:35:45.000 And they came to my door.

01:35:48.000 And then the camera was filming.

01:35:49.000 So it's in a documentary.

01:35:51.000 And I explained to them, oh, that's cool.

01:35:53.000 Let's take a photo.

01:35:55.000 But then it got to a point where it'd be like 9 p.m., 10 p.m.

01:35:58.000 And then...

01:36:00.000 Yeah.

01:36:00.000 Oh, it's Starbender home.

01:36:02.000 Because my house, my front door was accessible to the street.

01:36:05.000 That was my first house I ever bought.

01:36:07.000 Now, David lives there.

01:36:08.000 That's his home. 0.99

01:36:09.000 And I live in this fucking complex that has a gate and a code. 0.99

01:36:13.000 So if you have to get to my front door, you have to be there. 0.99

01:36:16.000 And...

01:36:16.000 Yeah.

01:36:17.000 Just dealing with people was the main thing for me.

01:36:19.000 Because I didn't expect the attention I was getting.

01:36:22.000 I was expecting it.

01:36:23.000 But I guess the variable of the unknown.

01:36:26.000 So...

01:36:27.000 Yeah, I just had to learn how to protect my energy and protect some boundaries.

01:36:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:33.000 Like today after lunch, I'd say yes to photos, but if I feel like, say I'm at the airport, if I say yes to, you've had this before, we say yes to one, and people are like, oh, he's taking photos, and it becomes like a zombie apocalypse.

01:36:47.000 And I'm like, yo, I got to go somewhere.

01:36:49.000 So if I tell someone like, yo, I can't right now.

01:36:52.000 If I say yes to you, I got to say, oh, please, just one.

01:36:54.000 And I'm like, it's not just one.

01:36:55.000 Right.

01:36:56.000 You don't understand.

01:36:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:36:57.000 And then I'm the asshole. 1.00

01:36:59.000 And I love my fans. 0.99

01:37:00.000 I love people who actually support me.

01:37:02.000 And I try and make time for them.

01:37:04.000 But then also, I have to make time for me.

01:37:06.000 Yeah.

01:37:06.000 Because I've been there before where it's pretty much I'm just there.

01:37:10.000 And then, oh, my turn.

01:37:11.000 My turn.

01:37:12.000 I'm like, bro, I'm not even having fun.

01:37:15.000 I don't even have kids yet.

01:37:16.000 But when I have kids...

01:37:18.000 That's when I'm going to be like, nah.

01:37:20.000 Yeah, my youngest daughter won't have it. 0.97

01:37:22.000 She'd grab me and drag me away. 1.00

01:37:24.000 Good.

01:37:25.000 Like when people try to take photographs.

01:37:26.000 She hates it.

01:37:27.000 Good. 0.99

01:37:28.000 My middle daughter doesn't bother her that much, but the youngest daughter, she gets fucking angry. 1.00

01:37:32.000 They're stealing my daddy's attention from me. 0.97

01:37:34.000 Thank you.

01:37:35.000 For me, if I go on a date or whatever and someone sees me and tries to take a photo, I just go, I want her time right now.

01:37:42.000 You have to ask her.

01:37:43.000 Or if I'm with my family, I just say no.

01:37:45.000 Especially when you're sitting down having dinner.

01:37:46.000 That's crazy. 0.99

01:37:47.000 When they come up to the table, like, come on, man, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:37:49.000 I think it's social awareness, this day and age, and everyone. 0.98

01:37:52.000 And you know what?

01:37:53.000 It's funny.

01:37:54.000 I can feel it coming once they see me because they look like they're about to pull out a gun.

01:37:57.000 Right.

01:37:58.000 That's what it feels like.

01:37:59.000 Every time I do it, I'm just like, and I say yes to most of it, but there's times I'll say no.

01:38:03.000 So that would be, I'd say, the most difficult thing so far was just dealing with people.

01:38:08.000 But again, I do like people, but also I don't like some people.

01:38:12.000 Some people are just so entitled.

01:38:14.000 Entitled, yeah.

01:38:14.000 They just come up at you and it's just like, bro.

01:38:16.000 They feel like you owe them something because they know who you are.

01:38:19.000 I'm like, you're not even a fan.

01:38:21.000 Sometimes it's this thing where they just see people taking photos and I want a photo too.

01:38:25.000 Right.

01:38:26.000 I'm like, you don't even know what I do.

01:38:27.000 I'm like, oh, can I get one, please?

01:38:29.000 Who are you?

01:38:30.000 Yeah, ah.

01:38:31.000 Yeah.

01:38:31.000 I love that.

01:38:32.000 You know why?

01:38:34.000 I like it when someone doesn't genuinely know who I am.

01:38:36.000 But when they, oh, I'm sorry, I don't know you.

01:38:38.000 I'm like, it's okay.

01:38:39.000 My name's Israel, because I got to meet them on a first name basis.

01:38:42.000 Right.

01:38:42.000 But one of the best ones and the best replies I gave one time was, these three chicks and two guys, they were just, you know, Oh my god, fan, fan, fan.

01:38:50.000 And one of them was like, excuse me, but who are you?

01:38:52.000 It's always a girl. 1.00

01:38:53.000 Yeah.

01:38:54.000 And then she came back again like three more times.

01:38:56.000 She's like, excuse me, but who are you?

01:38:57.000 I don't even know who you are. 1.00

01:38:58.000 And I was like, bitch, I don't know who you are. 1.00

01:39:00.000 And then her face was just like... 1.00

01:39:02.000 And I just left it alone.

01:39:04.000 But again, I prefer meeting people on a first name basis.

01:39:07.000 Right.

01:39:07.000 It makes me feel like I get to know you and you get to know me without some preconceived notion of what you've seen on TV or YouTube.

01:39:14.000 Yeah.

01:39:15.000 I love when someone doesn't know who I am now.

01:39:17.000 Me too.

01:39:17.000 Now it's nice.

01:39:18.000 Now I can have a regular conversation with someone.

01:39:20.000 You know, like, what do you do?

01:39:22.000 You're like, I'm a comedian.

01:39:23.000 Oh, have you ever been on television?

01:39:25.000 Yeah.

01:39:25.000 Yeah, a couple of times.

01:39:26.000 Oh, I'll look out for you.

01:39:27.000 Okay, good.

01:39:28.000 Nah, I like those.

01:39:29.000 Easy.

01:39:29.000 Just the two people talking to each other.

01:39:32.000 It's real.

01:39:32.000 I like what you said, protect your energy.

01:39:34.000 Because that's really what it is.

01:39:35.000 Because if you give up your energy to everyone, you will get lost.

01:39:38.000 Yeah.

01:39:39.000 You will get lost.

01:39:40.000 I learned that the week before the Robert Whittaker fight in Melbourne.

01:39:45.000 So I had this epiphany and then did the fight, did well.

01:39:49.000 And again, you know how I told you after my UFC debut, it was all this attention and stimulus that when I went home.

01:39:56.000 Boom.

01:39:57.000 Right.

01:39:57.000 And for like a month I just felt sad and I'm thinking like nothing's wrong.

01:40:00.000 I'm so fucking like I should be happy. 0.79

01:40:02.000 I should be happy. 0.97

01:40:03.000 Right.

01:40:04.000 And that's when I started going to therapy.

01:40:05.000 But then I learned through the techniques and tools I've got from that how to protect myself.

01:40:11.000 So before the rub fight I felt the same thing again because my girl at the time had to drag me away from the after party because I hid in the after party.

01:40:18.000 I hid in the toilet.

01:40:19.000 I had a drink.

01:40:21.000 Jesus Christ.

01:40:22.000 Put all the seats down.

01:40:23.000 Just sat there and she's like where are you?

01:40:25.000 I'm like I'm So I just sent her a text, and she's like, nah, I'm coming to grab you.

01:40:29.000 So we went to go get ramen somewhere.

01:40:31.000 And then at the hotel, before I flew out, I just put out something in my story saying, look, guys, I appreciate the love and all that.

01:40:37.000 If you see me, you can come say what's up.

01:40:39.000 But if you come yelling at me, I'm just going to walk away.

01:40:42.000 It's the yelling thing.

01:40:43.000 And I think that's learned behavior.

01:40:46.000 Oh my god!

01:40:47.000 Joe Rogan!

01:40:48.000 I'm a huge fan.

01:40:51.000 I've loved you since this.

01:40:52.000 I've watched you since this.

01:40:53.000 And it's the same bot responses.

01:40:56.000 NPC responses.

01:40:57.000 And they're yelling.

01:40:58.000 But if someone just comes up like, hey man, I'm a big fan.

01:41:01.000 Do you mind if I take a pic?

01:41:03.000 Cool, let's go.

01:41:03.000 And they make it quick.

01:41:04.000 They're ready.

01:41:05.000 They're not going, oh, excuse me.

01:41:06.000 What are you doing here?

01:41:07.000 Right.

01:41:08.000 I'm just like, yo, don't hold me hostage.

01:41:11.000 Let's just go, like, take the picture.

01:41:12.000 I like those.

01:41:13.000 But if we have a genuine connection and I vibe with someone and we end up talking for, like, five minutes, even better.

01:41:18.000 But you can't try and facilitate that.

01:41:20.000 But, yeah, it's when people come.

01:41:22.000 And then they hang around.

01:41:23.000 And then they won't leave.

01:41:24.000 Yeah.

01:41:25.000 And I'm just, don't hold me hostage with your conversation.

01:41:28.000 Do you remember the first time you met a famous person?

01:41:31.000 Uh, you. 0.95

01:41:32.000 I did something real silly. 0.68

01:41:36.000 You will remember this. 0.58

01:41:37.000 And this is another one of those things.

01:41:40.000 I can tell you now because we're boys.

01:41:41.000 But I met you at UFC 192 when Dan fought Yair.

01:41:46.000 And I met you backstage at the Wayans.

01:41:49.000 And then I came to say, what's up? 1.00

01:41:51.000 And then I did fucking butt shit, bro. 1.00

01:41:57.000 Then I was like, bro, do you remember my friend Chris? 1.00

01:42:00.000 He took a photo with you and it's a video, huh?

01:42:02.000 And you're like, yeah, a lot of people do that.

01:42:04.000 And I was like, Oh yeah, let's take this. 1.00

01:42:07.000 And then for the next five hours, Idiot! 1.00

01:42:12.000 Idiot! 1.00

01:42:13.000 Why'd you say that? 1.00

01:42:14.000 And I just felt cringe.

01:42:15.000 I got over it eventually.

01:42:17.000 But again, it's one of those things that you learn.

01:42:20.000 Yeah, certain things I learned.

01:42:22.000 Even with Snoop one time at Staples Center, when it was at Staples Center, I ended up smoking with him.

01:42:27.000 But then I filmed it.

01:42:30.000 And then afterwards, I remember thinking, like, why did you do that? 1.00

01:42:33.000 You should have just enjoyed the fucking moment. 0.99

01:42:36.000 And I cringe at myself when I'm like, ugh. 1.00

01:42:39.000 Who doesn't want to fucking smoke with Snoop Dogg? 0.98

01:42:41.000 But why did I have to film it so I can show people? 0.99

01:42:44.000 Did I post it?

01:42:45.000 I did post it.

01:42:46.000 Yeah, of course I posted it.

01:42:48.000 But again, it's one of those things I learned now.

01:42:51.000 So there's people I've met, places I've been now that I enjoy the experience and it is what it is.

01:42:55.000 I don't need a photo.

01:42:57.000 It's in here.

01:42:57.000 I've taken snapshots.

01:42:59.000 You've had all those experiences.

01:43:00.000 That's where I give people grace when they're first meeting me.

01:43:03.000 It's like, I get it.

01:43:04.000 I remember the first time I met someone famous.

01:43:06.000 It's weird.

01:43:07.000 It's a weird feeling.

01:43:08.000 You don't remember that one, do you?

01:43:10.000 I don't.

01:43:10.000 Good.

01:43:14.000 For the next five hours or to the next day, I think the fight to the next day, I was just like, okay, then I kind of got over it. 0.76

01:43:19.000 And I just think, and I told Chris when I went home, I was like, yeah, I told him about that and I felt so stupid.

01:43:25.000 But I know now it's better because when I meet people I really appreciate, I don't geek out or whatnot, even if it's something.

01:43:32.000 I'm just like, yo, that's that person.

01:43:33.000 I kind of birdwatch them.

01:43:35.000 And if they recognize me, one of the coolest ones was Eminem in Saudi Arabia because everyone was trying to get a photo.

01:43:40.000 And then my guy, Ike, security, just goes, hey, Em, Israel would like to take a photo?

01:43:44.000 He goes, oh, yo, what's up?

01:43:45.000 And he came and took a photo with me.

01:43:47.000 And out of everyone, he let me take a photo with him.

01:43:50.000 So I was like, yeah, I felt cool because it's Eminem, you know what I mean?

01:43:54.000 So things like that I'll appreciate.

01:43:56.000 And certain moments like that I appreciate, but I don't...

01:43:58.000 I don't force it.

01:43:59.000 I don't try to facilitate it.

01:44:00.000 I just let it be.

01:44:01.000 I just let it be.

01:44:02.000 And if I get it, cool.

01:44:03.000 And I don't need it.

01:44:04.000 That's the thing.

01:44:05.000 You don't need to take a photo for everything.

01:44:07.000 Just enjoy the moment.

01:44:08.000 Just enjoy the moment.

01:44:08.000 Enjoy the interaction.

01:44:09.000 Enjoy the energy.

01:44:10.000 But I understand the weirdness of meeting someone famous because I do remember it.

01:44:14.000 It's an odd feeling.

01:44:15.000 You don't know what to do.

01:44:17.000 You feel weird. 1.00

01:44:18.000 You say dumb things. 0.99

01:44:20.000 You don't know why you're saying them. 0.99

01:44:21.000 And then you're like, what did I just do?

01:44:22.000 I'm better now.

01:44:23.000 The coolest one I think I had was Trump.

01:44:26.000 What was this?

01:44:27.000 Vegas at the fights.

01:44:29.000 I haven't even...

01:44:30.000 The clip was one of the UFC's thing.

01:44:33.000 The documentaries.

01:44:34.000 And I was like, oh, yo, America's Last Hope.

01:44:36.000 What's up?

01:44:36.000 I dapped him up.

01:44:38.000 And Dana's there just smiling.

01:44:39.000 And then we're talking.

01:44:40.000 We just dapping up and talking.

01:44:42.000 And then he's like, enjoy your fight, this and that.

01:44:45.000 And it wasn't weird.

01:44:46.000 Because, again, I can understand.

01:44:47.000 Like, I'm meant to be here now.

01:44:48.000 Right.

01:44:49.000 Sometimes I get imposter syndrome.

01:44:52.000 Sometimes it still creeps in.

01:44:53.000 I don't know if you still get it.

01:44:54.000 It still creeps in, but I know how to identify it now.

01:44:57.000 And I go, right, I'm going to shut it down.

01:45:00.000 Like any emotion, but...

01:45:02.000 Yeah, that was one of the cool ones I had where I was like, okay, I handled myself well.

01:45:05.000 I wasn't an idiot.

01:45:06.000 And many other ones. 0.99

01:45:07.000 But, yeah, the ones...

01:45:09.000 And there will be more.

01:45:10.000 I used to get imposter syndrome so bad.

01:45:12.000 Yeah?

01:45:12.000 Where I'd meet people like, I can't believe you know who I am.

01:45:15.000 I gotta hide.

01:45:16.000 You should know who I am.

01:45:17.000 I know who you are.

01:45:18.000 You should know me. 1.00

01:45:19.000 I'm a fucking loser. 1.00

01:45:20.000 I felt that a little bit yesterday. 1.00

01:45:22.000 But...

01:45:23.000 I went to the mothership.

01:45:24.000 A little bit.

01:45:25.000 But again, you watch it on YouTube all the time.

01:45:27.000 You're like, oh my god, me and my boys are like, we're here.

01:45:28.000 This is cool.

01:45:30.000 And then only for a little bit, but I realized I'm meant to be here because everyone's standing around me.

01:45:35.000 I'm kind of having to hold court.

01:45:37.000 But I kind of just want to shut up and just be like, Yeah.

01:45:40.000 This is cool.

01:45:41.000 Just enjoy.

01:45:42.000 Yeah.

01:45:42.000 But everyone's around me.

01:45:43.000 And I was just cool.

01:45:44.000 And Ari was the man, bro.

01:45:45.000 He's just such a...

01:45:46.000 He's a funny dude.

01:45:47.000 So tall.

01:45:47.000 And talking about kickboxing with him.

01:45:49.000 And yeah.

01:45:50.000 But I'll probably head there tonight.

01:45:52.000 See what's up.

01:45:53.000 And I'll try and...

01:45:54.000 It's a fun place.

01:45:55.000 No geek out so much.

01:45:56.000 Yeah.

01:45:57.000 Play it cool.

01:45:58.000 Play it cool.

01:45:59.000 Yeah.

01:46:00.000 That's a fun place.

01:46:01.000 We have so many people roll through it, too.

01:46:03.000 It's so interesting.

01:46:04.000 All of a sudden, Jelly Roll's there.

01:46:06.000 You guys did it, man.

01:46:08.000 You literally, I think it was at Ron White that kind of started the idea, and then all of you started to just march to Austin one by one.

01:46:15.000 Yeah, he came here before the pandemic.

01:46:17.000 And he was the one who put it in my head. 0.89

01:46:19.000 Because, you know, Ron was like, I fucking love it here. 0.83

01:46:22.000 It's easy to travel. 0.96

01:46:23.000 It's the middle of the country.

01:46:25.000 It's a beautiful place.

01:46:25.000 No traffic.

01:46:26.000 People are nice.

01:46:27.000 I just came back from LA, so the contrast is definitely, you can see it.

01:46:31.000 Oh, it's so much better here.

01:46:32.000 And it's better for comedy.

01:46:34.000 It's just because it's the only club in the country that's owned by a comedian.

01:46:37.000 So it's free.

01:46:38.000 It's like, you can be yourself.

01:46:40.000 There's no executives or producers.

01:46:42.000 Yeah, it's just me.

01:46:43.000 I don't even have any partners.

01:46:45.000 It's just me.

01:46:46.000 Excuse me?

01:46:47.000 When you say that, you mean like...

01:46:49.000 Do people have to pay at other comedy clubs to perform there?

01:46:54.000 Only when you're very, very beginning.

01:46:56.000 And it's corrupt comedy clubs that you have to pay for stage time.

01:46:59.000 Yeah, that's not normal.

01:47:01.000 That's something taking advantage of amateurs so they can make extra money, so they can justify open mic nights and stuff like that.

01:47:07.000 But that's not a lot of clubs.

01:47:09.000 Most clubs, you know, you have amateur nights.

01:47:14.000 They all should have it, but we have two nights.

01:47:16.000 We have two nights of open mic nights.

01:47:18.000 We just want to make it a real place where people can develop.

01:47:22.000 From the very beginning, you could do your first set on stage ever at the Mothership and eventually headline there someday.

01:47:28.000 I've seen it.

01:47:29.000 Cam Patterson, some of these guys, they start there and now they just... 0.87

01:47:33.000 Killing it.

01:47:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:47:34.000 Hard work. 0.99

01:47:35.000 Hard work. 1.00

01:47:36.000 Just grinding the kids in that club every fucking night. 1.00

01:47:39.000 And he's traveling all over the place, all over town, doing different clubs, going on the road. 1.00

01:47:45.000 He's making the most of the experience.

01:47:48.000 And for someone like me, just a fan of comedy in general, it's fun to see the process of them starting up.

01:47:53.000 I used to listen to Kill Tony, my old job, just so I didn't go postal.

01:47:58.000 I'd just sit there with my headphones in and the hoodie on just to hide it so they don't know I'm doing it.

01:48:05.000 to see where it's become and then where on the street is, they go, you know what I'm saying, coming up. 0.95

01:48:10.000 And I'm like, oh shit, so it's gonna be on there and then it's gonna be even bigger. 0.98

01:48:15.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:48:15.000 It's fun to see that. 0.99

01:48:16.000 And I've seen a lot of comics just grow.

01:48:20.000 And then seeing the sets develop, all that kind of thing.

01:48:23.000 And look, I know how hard it is now just watching that.

01:48:26.000 Because you think, oh, I've made a joke before, I can do it.

01:48:30.000 Nah. 1.00

01:48:31.000 And seeing people bomb on Kill Tony after just 60 seconds, I'm just like, yeah, nah, fuck all that. 0.99

01:48:35.000 I'd fight in front of millions of people with a stand in front of a crowd and try and make them laugh. 0.99

01:48:43.000 Just that, yeah.

01:48:44.000 It's a weird kind of rejection.

01:48:46.000 Thank you.

01:48:47.000 That's what it is.

01:48:47.000 It's a terrible feeling.

01:48:48.000 It's like, oh shit, that didn't land. 1.00

01:48:51.000 Escape, escape, escape. 1.00

01:48:52.000 You can't do shit. 1.00

01:48:53.000 It's just like, nah, fuck this shit. 1.00

01:48:55.000 But you also see other people can do it, so you gotta figure out a way to do it. 1.00

01:48:58.000 And that's part of the challenge of it all.

01:49:00.000 It's why it's so exciting to succeed.

01:49:02.000 Yeah, I'll give that to you guys, the expert.

01:49:04.000 It's hard.

01:49:05.000 But it's also fun.

01:49:06.000 It's the most fun thing to do for a living.

01:49:09.000 And you could do it forever.

01:49:11.000 All the time.

01:49:12.000 You don't have to rely on your body being fit enough to do it.

01:49:14.000 Fighting is so unique because there's a small window.

01:49:18.000 You have from 18 to maybe 38 if you're lucky.

01:49:22.000 Or you could be a Yoel Romero and compete deep into your 40s, but he's the rarest of the rare.

01:49:27.000 Or a Bernard Hopkins.

01:49:29.000 World Championship level at 50. Crazy.

01:49:32.000 But those are the outliers.

01:49:33.000 For most people, there's a small window.

01:49:35.000 Make the most of it.

01:49:36.000 Make as much money as you can.

01:49:37.000 In an MMA, that window's the smallest.

01:49:39.000 Yeah.

01:49:39.000 It's the smallest of all the combat sports.

01:49:41.000 That even make it to the top.

01:49:42.000 Yeah, man.

01:49:43.000 God, think about how many guys have an amateur fight versus how many guys make it to just a world title fight.

01:49:51.000 Just to fight for a world title.

01:49:53.000 Forget about defending the world title.

01:49:54.000 What you've done is like the rarest of the rarest of the rare and then win it back again.

01:49:59.000 You know, it's so rare.

01:50:01.000 Yeah.

01:50:02.000 I've seen people throughout the walks of life in gyms I've trained at that I'm like...

01:50:07.000 I think you're better than me, but they just never made it.

01:50:09.000 They never got the experience or the exposure.

01:50:11.000 Also, when the lights are on, they shut down.

01:50:15.000 Yeah.

01:50:15.000 And they don't show up.

01:50:16.000 I'm like, you're better than this.

01:50:19.000 But again...

01:50:20.000 Gym champions.

01:50:20.000 Yeah.

01:50:21.000 Yeah, that's a real thing, man.

01:50:23.000 With people that perform so well with no pressure, and then when that pressure's on, they're like 30% of what they are.

01:50:28.000 You see them make the mental mistakes.

01:50:30.000 You see them rush in, and it's...

01:50:33.000 Weird.

01:50:33.000 It takes skill to learn how to perform under the lights, but also you have to have that thing.

01:50:39.000 Like, you have to know you're that guy, or you have to have that belief in yourself.

01:50:42.000 So, again, I'm glad I've done it, and I'm glad I'm doing it, but now I'm just like, I just want to fight.

01:50:49.000 I just want to fight, have fun, and again, it's weird. 0.88

01:50:52.000 Like, I just know that fucking gold belt always circles back around. 0.94

01:50:56.000 I don't chase it, never have, and I knew it would always be there at some point. 0.97

01:51:01.000 But yeah, it will.

01:51:02.000 And in a moment, bro, if I'm not happy with what I've done in this game, what's gonna make me happy?

01:51:07.000 Right, right.

01:51:08.000 How could you be?

01:51:10.000 Exactly.

01:51:11.000 Exactly.

01:51:11.000 I mean, think about how many times you defended the title, you won the title, you beat the greatest guys of your generation.

01:51:17.000 How could you not be happy with what you've done already?

01:51:19.000 But I still feel great.

01:51:21.000 And again, you know when fighters talk about, I lost the belt, I felt this pressure lifted, whatever.

01:51:27.000 I never felt that when I lost it in MSG. I was just like, I'm going to fight this guy again.

01:51:31.000 And I got it back.

01:51:33.000 But then when I lost it...

01:51:37.000 Not to Strickland, but even this last one is the only time when I was just like, eh.

01:51:42.000 I wasn't a champ, I guess, but this last fight was the first time I felt that like, well, but I still feel like I'm that guy because a lot of people still have that target on my back because I'm Israel Adesanya.

01:51:54.000 But having to fight for the belt, having to fight with that thing, I don't know.

01:52:02.000 This is the first time I've ever felt that where I'm like, meh.

01:52:05.000 I'm good.

01:52:05.000 So I'm just going to see what happens.

01:52:07.000 Train, get better, and fight again at some point.

01:52:10.000 Just concentrate on the task instead of this whole thing of the titles.

01:52:14.000 Yeah.

01:52:15.000 Because I feel like when you have the title, there's a spotlight on you.

01:52:18.000 There still is a spotlight on me, but it's not the same thing.

01:52:21.000 And now I get to enjoy a little bit more, almost freedom, in a sense.

01:52:27.000 Well, I've heard fighters talk about it heaps.

01:52:29.000 So, again, for me, I never felt it until recently that I'm like, oh, I get what they mean now when they talk about the pressure.

01:52:35.000 The pressure's still there, but it's not the same.

01:52:38.000 And I'm like, cool.

01:52:39.000 I get to just fight for me now.

01:52:40.000 I get to have fun.

01:52:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:52:42.000 I want to try some crazy shit. 0.99

01:52:43.000 Like, I actually want to fight and just do some... 0.99

01:52:45.000 I want to go back to the way I used to fight when...

01:52:49.000 We didn't have so much on the line because it's not just about me.

01:52:52.000 It's about the people that are around me that I have to...

01:52:57.000 Not have to, but if I do good, everybody eats.

01:53:02.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:53:04.000 So now that we still do good, we still eat, but it's like, ah, fuck the belt. 0.99

01:53:09.000 We'll just have fun. 0.99

01:53:10.000 So I just want to go back to having fun.

01:53:12.000 The way I used to fight when I was... 0.90

01:53:14.000 Young fucking schizo fritterer who just did shit for fun like the fucking Tavares fight and the round one I'm like I'm gonna try a Minari role see what that does and I kind of missed it but yeah I'm gonna bring that back I kind of want to do that that kind of shit again just cuz So do you think that, like, as the stakes are higher, the pressure is more, and it just restricts your creativity? 1.00

01:53:35.000 It restricts your ability to just be loose? 0.99

01:53:37.000 It didn't at first.

01:53:38.000 But the longer you defend the belt, it happened to Anderson as well.

01:53:42.000 It happened to Anderson as well.

01:53:43.000 I saw it, because I watched Anderson's rise.

01:53:45.000 And I saw, even to the point where people wanted him to lose, just because he was so great.

01:53:50.000 And then it's just that natural thing where people build you up because they want to tear you down.

01:53:54.000 And I felt that happen to me as well.

01:53:56.000 They're like, ah, we just want to see him lose.

01:53:57.000 And when it happened, they're like, yeah!

01:54:00.000 And then when I won it again, it was like, yeah!

01:54:02.000 And I lost it at like, yeah!

01:54:05.000 So it's just natural.

01:54:06.000 It's natural way of, I don't know, the mob of humans or whatever, the fans.

01:54:12.000 It's just how it is, the coliseum.

01:54:14.000 Well, there's always a bunch of people that don't like that you've accomplished something they will never accomplish.

01:54:19.000 Oh, there's always them.

01:54:21.000 And so they do want to watch you fall because it makes them feel better about their lack of success.

01:54:26.000 What did Dave say?

01:54:27.000 Someone rejoices when a great man falls.

01:54:29.000 There's a great quote he added in one of his specials. 0.98

01:54:31.000 The cowards. 0.99

01:54:31.000 The cowards, yeah. 0.99

01:54:33.000 That's the truth. 0.98

01:54:34.000 Yeah, facts.

01:54:35.000 I've seen it.

01:54:36.000 I've even felt it as well.

01:54:37.000 Like, when you're just like...

01:54:39.000 I wonder what will happen if he loses.

01:54:41.000 Like, it'll just shake the whole landscape of things up.

01:54:44.000 So you just wonder.

01:54:45.000 Like, I felt it, I think, with Floyd.

01:54:47.000 I just wonder, not that I wanted him to lose, because I'm a big Floyd fan, but I was just like, what would happen if he lost this fight? 0.99

01:54:53.000 They're like, oh shit. 0.99

01:54:54.000 But that's what makes it exciting. 1.00

01:54:56.000 You never know.

01:54:58.000 Anyway, I'm just here now and I'm just like, cool.

01:55:01.000 Let's have fun.

01:55:02.000 Let's fight.

01:55:02.000 Let's just get some good matchups.

01:55:05.000 But again, I'm in a spot now that we've got Rob comes out fighting.

01:55:11.000 DDP and Shawn are going to fight.

01:55:12.000 And I can't think of who else.

01:55:15.000 Is DDP and Shawn set in stone?

01:55:17.000 I think it's not set in stone, but it's what they're looking at.

01:55:21.000 When is that supposed to take place?

01:55:22.000 Next year sometime, but I'm trying to get something in this year.

01:55:25.000 So we'll see.

01:55:26.000 There's already a few call-outs here and there.

01:55:28.000 Like who?

01:55:29.000 The guy that just won in France.

01:55:32.000 I forget his name.

01:55:33.000 Not the main event.

01:55:36.000 Imanov.

01:55:37.000 Yeah, he said something and I'm like, we'll see.

01:55:40.000 It'll be a good fight.

01:55:40.000 It'll be fun.

01:55:41.000 But again, what has he done?

01:55:43.000 He beat Brandon Allen.

01:55:45.000 Is that five-round worthy?

01:55:48.000 Because I'm never doing three rounds again.

01:55:50.000 All my fights are probably going to be five. 0.99

01:55:51.000 If I ever do a three-round again, fuck, let's go. 0.99

01:55:55.000 Would you want to? 0.99

01:55:57.000 Because, like, there's some three-rounders that I feel like we got robbed that it wasn't a five-rounder, like Sayuki and Charles Oliveira.

01:56:04.000 That was a good example of that.

01:56:06.000 Scrap. 0.97

01:56:06.000 Such a crazy five. 0.97

01:56:09.000 Oliveira almost caught him a couple times with submissions.

01:56:12.000 He went flat at that point.

01:56:12.000 Yeah, man.

01:56:13.000 And lost a controversial decision, like, very close decision.

01:56:17.000 And then I feel like you give him two more rounds, who knows what would happen.

01:56:21.000 Another one was Hamzat and Kamaru.

01:56:26.000 That third round, Kamara was coming on strong.

01:56:28.000 Off the couch as well.

01:56:29.000 Yeah, off the couch, 10 days notice.

01:56:31.000 Crazy.

01:56:32.000 Fighting at 85, 170 pound champion, right off the title loss, and then, you know, third round he wins, and you're like, God, what would have happened fourth and fifth?

01:56:41.000 Yeah, that's where some people come alive and say, let's go.

01:56:43.000 Especially champions.

01:56:44.000 Yeah, I can't do five, but again, I say three, I just feel like I would fight like Like a bat out of hell.

01:56:52.000 I just feel like it would be different.

01:56:54.000 But again, it's not even...

01:56:55.000 I do enjoy the time in the cage, but even training for five-round fights, a lot of people train for three-round fights, but they don't understand. 0.99

01:57:03.000 Everyone wants to be champion, so you got to train for five rounds, and it's like, oh shit, you got to do this shit. 0.98

01:57:07.000 You have five rounds of the spider circuit. 1.00

01:57:09.000 Oh shit, that's where you find out the men from the boys. 0.99

01:57:12.000 You separate. 0.99

01:57:13.000 So yeah, I do like a five round fight, and also you don't get paid by the round, so sometimes fights end like that.

01:57:19.000 So yeah, that's up to you.

01:57:22.000 So do you have a timeline of when you would like to fight again, how many fights you would like to have?

01:57:28.000 Because I know you're 35 now.

01:57:31.000 How long do you think you're going to do this?

01:57:33.000 I don't know.

01:57:34.000 Like I said, I thought I would be 34 and I'm done with this.

01:57:38.000 I always just thought like, yeah, when I'm 34, I'm done.

01:57:41.000 But then I'm here now and I feel great.

01:57:42.000 So I'm like, let's see.

01:57:44.000 Three more years, who knows?

01:57:46.000 Who knows? 1.00

01:57:47.000 Fucking kid might come out of nowhere. 1.00

01:57:49.000 I'm like, oh shit, I'm done with this game. 1.00

01:57:51.000 Is there any fights like Strickland that you'd like to do again? 0.98

01:57:55.000 Oh yeah, Strickland and DDP. Strickland won definitely because that fight was not me.

01:57:59.000 And again, I don't make excuses.

01:58:02.000 It was just another Dave Chappelle quote.

01:58:04.000 You have to realize when it's your time. 1.00

01:58:06.000 He's such a fucking philosopher with it. 0.98

01:58:08.000 He said something about when it's your time, you have to know and be humble enough to know when it's someone else's. 0.99

01:58:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:15.000 That was just his week.

01:58:16.000 That was just his and everything.

01:58:18.000 So I just, you know...

01:58:19.000 His time let him have it, but I definitely know what I can do.

01:58:24.000 And I took his best shots and I just know like, yeah, I can take this guy.

01:58:29.000 I know what I can do.

01:58:30.000 Not similar to the Pereira one where I was winning, but this one I definitely know what I can do with this guy.

01:58:35.000 Yeah.

01:58:37.000 So was that one shot that cracked you in that first round that changed the whole momentum of that fight?

01:58:43.000 Yeah.

01:58:43.000 Straight punches, beat, looping on linear punches.

01:58:47.000 He caught me good. 1.00

01:58:48.000 And in the moment, I remember thinking like, Oh shit, this nigga's hitting me. 1.00

01:58:52.000 Oh shit, he's hitting me. 1.00

01:58:53.000 And I went to Mark Gutter, like, you see the picture, like, I'm okay. 0.99

01:58:57.000 And then even he told me my next fight with DDP, he's like, don't do that.

01:59:01.000 Don't have to do that.

01:59:02.000 You just have to find a way out. 0.99

01:59:03.000 But it was hitting me and I was thinking like, oh shit, this is really happening. 1.00

01:59:07.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:59:07.000 And I had to fight out the position and just get back on him. 1.00

01:59:09.000 But yeah.

01:59:10.000 How much damage did he do in that exchange?

01:59:13.000 In that exchange, nah, not really much.

01:59:15.000 Just the one shot.

01:59:15.000 The one shot was the one that got me.

01:59:17.000 But the rest was just kind of like...

01:59:19.000 Nothing really got through.

01:59:20.000 It was just a lot of flurries.

01:59:21.000 And it looked violent.

01:59:22.000 But that's why I was able to look at Mark and be like, yeah, we're good.

01:59:25.000 But, yeah.

01:59:27.000 Gotta come back.

01:59:28.000 See what happens with him and DDP. He could win.

01:59:31.000 You know, beat him.

01:59:33.000 We almost won the first time.

01:59:34.000 Yeah, it was close.

01:59:35.000 Very.

01:59:36.000 It was close.

01:59:36.000 Very close.

01:59:37.000 Yeah, that was a rough fight.

01:59:39.000 Even at the end, they were just swinging.

01:59:41.000 They had nothing left in the tank.

01:59:43.000 You see Strickland, it was all arms.

01:59:45.000 Arms, yeah.

01:59:46.000 There was nothing in the tank.

01:59:47.000 They emptied out.

01:59:49.000 Well, we'll see.

01:59:49.000 We'll see what happens in that fight.

01:59:51.000 And, yeah, at the moment, I just, look, I kind of like the feeling of not knowing because sometimes people ask, who are you going to fight next?

01:59:59.000 When are you going to fight again?

02:00:00.000 I'm like, I don't know.

02:00:01.000 I'm just chilling.

02:00:02.000 So, again, I'm just going to keep training. 0.97

02:00:04.000 And sometimes short notice shit happens, you know what I mean? 0.95

02:00:06.000 And it's like, well, I'm already in shape. 1.00

02:00:09.000 Fuck, let's go. 1.00

02:00:10.000 Right. 1.00

02:00:11.000 Yeah.

02:00:12.000 But we'll see.

02:00:13.000 So stay ready.

02:00:14.000 Yeah, stay ready.

02:00:15.000 Like I said, I've done the testing already and I know where I'm at.

02:00:18.000 After this, I'm going to go get some work in. 1.00

02:00:20.000 And yeah, even on the road, I love this food there, but fuck. 0.99

02:00:24.000 I know when I get home, I'm going to have to take all this off. 0.98

02:00:26.000 And I know it will come off because I've got, you know, good nutritionists now and stuff.

02:00:30.000 But yeah, I just try to stay ready.

02:00:32.000 You guys don't have barbecue in New Zealand?

02:00:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:35.000 You have like a Terry Black's in New Zealand?

02:00:36.000 Yeah, they have...

02:00:37.000 Oh, just even...

02:00:38.000 The food there, I think the quality is different, but also, I try to stay off Uber Eats as much as possible.

02:00:44.000 Now I have Matt cooking for me, so if I want something, I'll see something on the reels.

02:00:48.000 Matt, can you please make this?

02:00:49.000 He'll be like, yeah, cool.

02:00:50.000 Boom.

02:00:50.000 And he'll just make it that night.

02:00:52.000 And you don't have to wear no bullshit in it. 0.99

02:00:54.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:00:54.000 In camp, it'll be healthy, but right now, I can stretch my legs a little bit. 0.98

02:00:59.000 Add some cheese, whatever.

02:01:01.000 But...

02:01:02.000 Yeah.

02:01:04.000 Just stay ready.

02:01:05.000 That's the main thing.

02:01:05.000 Just stay ready.

02:01:06.000 Your camp, that city kickboxing gym, what a fucking gym that is. 1.00

02:01:11.000 There's so many killers coming out of that. 1.00

02:01:13.000 And Olberg now on the rise. 0.99

02:01:15.000 Goddamn, that dude's good. 0.98

02:01:17.000 There's so many. 0.98

02:01:18.000 Yeah.

02:01:19.000 He's so tall and dangerous.

02:01:21.000 There's so many good fighters coming out of there now.

02:01:23.000 Even recently, we had Cam, Aaron Toe, and then Navajo fight on the contender series.

02:01:30.000 Navajo was the only one to get a contract.

02:01:32.000 He got it with Hook, actually.

02:01:34.000 I don't know if you saw that fight.

02:01:35.000 I didn't.

02:01:36.000 Yeah, Navajo Sterling. 0.99

02:01:38.000 He knocked out the guy in the second round, so now he's in the UFC. He got a contract, and he's going to fight this year, I think in December.

02:01:45.000 So he's already in camp for his next fight because he was kind of fresh coming off that fight.

02:01:50.000 So yeah, he's another guy that...

02:01:54.000 That's him, yeah.

02:01:56.000 The guy in the red.

02:01:58.000 Big Nav.

02:01:59.000 Boom.

02:02:00.000 And they set him up.

02:02:01.000 Boom.

02:02:02.000 Out.

02:02:03.000 And the guy I fought was tough too.

02:02:05.000 Came strong in the first round, but Navajo was able to put him away. 1.00

02:02:08.000 Another King in the Ring champion as well.

02:02:10.000 I think he's two-time King in the Ring champion.

02:02:12.000 What weight is that at?

02:02:13.000 Light heavyweight. 0.99

02:02:14.000 Damn, that's a big fella. 0.99

02:02:15.000 So he's the guy in my Miami fight with Pereira. 0.99

02:02:17.000 He helped me a lot.

02:02:19.000 Ben Johnston helped me a lot with the looks, you know. 1.00

02:02:22.000 But yeah, he's just a fucking... 0.99

02:02:25.000 Savant, the next level. 0.99

02:02:27.000 Kickboxer, but knows how to grapple. 0.98

02:02:29.000 He looks at shit, downloads it, drills it, and he's using it on you straight away or the next day. 0.99

02:02:35.000 He's just one of those guys. 1.00

02:02:36.000 And he loves to fight.

02:02:38.000 He's a guy who just stays in the gym, stays ready.

02:02:40.000 Like I say, he's got a fight already locked in.

02:02:43.000 Even Loss has got a fight.

02:02:45.000 Uzdemir.

02:02:45.000 He's fighting Uzdemir in Macau.

02:02:48.000 You know, what's his name?

02:02:49.000 No Time.

02:02:50.000 Yeah, Volkan.

02:02:51.000 Yeah, Volkan, Uzdemir.

02:02:52.000 Yeah, that's a good fight.

02:02:53.000 I like that for Carlos.

02:02:55.000 Who else?

02:02:56.000 Yeah, so I like the gym, the way it's growing, even on the local scene as well.

02:03:00.000 You have a lot of guys who are just coming up in the local scene, and they're looking at us because of what we've done.

02:03:06.000 No government funding, no backing from the sports, what do you call it, in New Zealand.

02:03:12.000 They try to stifle us during COVID, you know, moving the goalposts, or you can quarantine in the gym.

02:03:17.000 Okay, now you can't quarantine in the gym.

02:03:19.000 We're sneaking around, trying to find places to train.

02:03:21.000 They're following us with reporters, taking photos, Putting us in the papers, making us look bad.

02:03:25.000 We're disobeying the law.

02:03:26.000 Think about your grandma.

02:03:28.000 All that kind of stuff.

02:03:29.000 So, yeah, we've done it our own way.

02:03:31.000 And we're still one of the best gym, if not the best gym in the world.

02:03:35.000 That's why I'm there.

02:03:36.000 Only reason I'm in New Zealand is because of city kickboxing.

02:03:40.000 If not for that place, I definitely would still be there to see my family.

02:03:44.000 But I would have probably moved...

02:03:47.000 All over the place.

02:03:48.000 Like Melbourne, I definitely would have lived in Melbourne for a while.

02:03:50.000 Like Melbourne, I love Melbourne, Australia.

02:03:52.000 Canada somewhere.

02:03:53.000 Melbourne's great.

02:03:54.000 Yeah, Melbourne.

02:03:54.000 I just like the culture, the food.

02:03:56.000 It was here in Austin.

02:03:57.000 Australia and New Zealand just have such restrictive laws.

02:04:00.000 Yeah.

02:04:01.000 And the government has such control over people.

02:04:03.000 And I didn't realize it until the pandemic.

02:04:05.000 Yeah.

02:04:05.000 And then I was like, Jesus Christ.

02:04:07.000 That's why I got to play the game, Joe.

02:04:08.000 Yeah.

02:04:09.000 Keep moving.

02:04:10.000 I play the game as it says, like, it's almost egotistical in the sense...

02:04:18.000 The rules are there for a reason and I am a law-abiding citizen but sometimes there's certain things where I think like The laws doesn't apply to me.

02:04:29.000 You know what I mean?

02:04:30.000 That's why I don't follow politics. 0.99

02:04:31.000 I only ever voted recently in New Zealand because of the fucking referendum. 0.99

02:04:34.000 They were going to make marijuana legal. 0.99

02:04:36.000 I was like, okay, that applies to me.

02:04:38.000 I'll vote for that.

02:04:39.000 So what do you call it?

02:04:40.000 One policy voters or whatever.

02:04:42.000 The other laws and stuff, I'm like, man, unless if it's something crazy, like someone decides, oh, we're going to tax the rich 50% of their money.

02:04:49.000 I'm like, that applies to me.

02:04:51.000 Then I'll vote.

02:04:51.000 So when I say the law doesn't apply to me, it's in the sense of, like, I don't really care about what their policies are, you know?

02:04:58.000 So, yeah, that's how I live, and I'm able to travel a lot, which I'm grateful for, but, yeah, if it wasn't for CKB, I definitely would have left NZ... Maybe traveled more. 0.58

02:05:10.000 Checked out Europe or shit like that.

02:05:12.000 But right now as I'm fighting, maybe after fighting I will. 0.97

02:05:15.000 New Zealand is beautiful.

02:05:16.000 Oh, it is.

02:05:17.000 Beautiful spot to live.

02:05:18.000 I like the pace.

02:05:19.000 I do like the pace.

02:05:20.000 And again, I like watching America and the rest of the world from New Zealand because it's just like this little corner of the world just chilling and just, oh, yeah, Kiwi, mate.

02:05:27.000 G'day. 0.97

02:05:28.000 And then, yeah, just see what happens in the rest of the world.

02:05:31.000 And we still get a lot of things happening.

02:05:34.000 Culturally that are relevant to the world, but yeah I definitely want to travel after fighting and I get to travel like I'm gonna fucking Austin, Texas now, you know talking to you after this I'm going to New York Yeah, I'm sure I'll be somewhere else on the planet at some point, but Yeah, what do you think you want to do when this is over?

02:05:53.000 So I have a plan in place because I know me and I'm an adrenaline junkie, so I know I'll need something every, like maybe thrice a year, where I feel like I'm gonna die.

02:06:07.000 So one of my plans is...

02:06:09.000 That's such a crazy thing to say, but I get it.

02:06:13.000 That's why I have a McLaren and, you know, I've never crashed it.

02:06:18.000 Amen.

02:06:18.000 But, yeah, so for me, I skydived twice already in the last year.

02:06:24.000 That was fun.

02:06:25.000 So, again, if I said, okay, I'm done fighting now, then, okay, they're running with the bulls.

02:06:30.000 Cool.

02:06:30.000 Let's do that.

02:06:31.000 And I'll just train for that.

02:06:32.000 And then when it's time, I'll go to Spain or whatever and get ready for that and then go run with the bulls.

02:06:38.000 Cool.

02:06:38.000 Really?

02:06:38.000 Yeah.

02:06:39.000 That would be fun.

02:06:40.000 It's dangerous.

02:06:41.000 You could die. 1.00

02:06:42.000 Yeah, but that's a dumb way to die. 1.00

02:06:44.000 Yeah, dumb ways to die. 1.00

02:06:49.000 There's many fighting as a dumb way to die, too. 0.99

02:06:51.000 But it's glorious. 0.98

02:06:53.000 It's glorious.

02:06:53.000 It's a glorious way.

02:06:54.000 Getting stomped to death by a bull is not a good way to die.

02:06:57.000 Yeah, but I mean, what do I have?

02:07:00.000 So, what's another one?

02:07:01.000 Okay, let's say I go to the outback.

02:07:05.000 Go learn...

02:07:06.000 I don't know...

02:07:09.000 Jump on a crocodile and save it from so I don't know there'll be something I'll find things I'm there's always something I'll find something to do that'll make me feel like I'm my life is in danger so you feel like you're gonna need that forever Because if not, you just fall.

02:07:24.000 A lot of guys, they come back and fight again because they miss that.

02:07:27.000 Oh, I was that guy.

02:07:29.000 I was that guy.

02:07:30.000 And those, especially who never made it to the pinnacle or what they wanted to do, then they still have that dissatisfaction.

02:07:36.000 And then they come back to try and reclaim that glory.

02:07:39.000 Do it for less money.

02:07:41.000 And then they fall short. 1.00

02:07:43.000 They become journeymen, become alcoholics, drug addicts, you know, shit like that. 0.99

02:07:48.000 So I don't want to... 0.99

02:07:49.000 Also, who knows?

02:07:51.000 My main thing, though, is definitely start a family.

02:07:54.000 That's one thing I want to do after fighting.

02:07:56.000 It'll happen. 0.99

02:07:57.000 I don't go looking for that shit because when you do, you find the wrong thing. 0.99

02:08:00.000 And I've made that mistake before. 1.00

02:08:02.000 We're not going to make that mistake again.

02:08:05.000 So I know it'll happen for me.

02:08:06.000 And when it does, I'm going to be a great dad.

02:08:09.000 You can't convince yourself that it's good.

02:08:12.000 It has to be a good relationship.

02:08:15.000 There's a lot of people that want a great relationship, so they talk themselves into one.

02:08:19.000 And the next thing you know, you're with some girls going through your phone.

02:08:21.000 I got talked into one.

02:08:23.000 That's the thing.

02:08:23.000 So now I know I'm like, okay, bet.

02:08:25.000 You got talked into one.

02:08:27.000 When you fall in love, you just... 1.00

02:08:29.000 Stupid. 1.00

02:08:32.000 Stupid. 1.00

02:08:33.000 Because I'm such a lover as well. 1.00

02:08:34.000 I'm so soft.

02:08:35.000 But I learned my lesson.

02:08:37.000 And again, it's one of those things you just have to go through.

02:08:40.000 And I'm grateful for the experience.

02:08:42.000 I'm grateful that I did because now I know exactly what not to do next time.

02:08:46.000 So that's why I don't look.

02:08:47.000 I'm single because I just enjoy myself.

02:08:49.000 I enjoy not being responsible for someone else's emotional state.

02:08:53.000 Right.

02:08:54.000 Because she has a fighter.

02:08:55.000 Right.

02:08:56.000 Because you know this. 1.00

02:08:57.000 You know fighters when they have to deal with shit before a fight. 1.00

02:09:00.000 Before the cost of a fight, the shit I had to deal with Woo! 1.00

02:09:06.000 And I was quarantining at the gym as well. 0.99

02:09:08.000 So that kind of stuff, I don't want to deal with.

02:09:10.000 I just want to focus on me.

02:09:11.000 There's a problem that girls, when they think that you're busy with something else and you don't care about, you're not paying attention to them, they're not your primary focus, they get very upset. 0.94

02:09:22.000 I've seen guys where they're getting ready for a fight and their girl starts fights with them as they're weighing in. 0.99

02:09:29.000 Not that bad.

02:09:30.000 At least she knew better.

02:09:31.000 But still, it's just...

02:09:32.000 Look, it's more about...

02:09:34.000 Also, don't try and compete with your husband or your boyfriend.

02:09:40.000 With me, you'll lose.

02:09:41.000 In a sense, this is what I do for a living.

02:09:45.000 You don't have to try and compete.

02:09:47.000 It's weird.

02:09:48.000 When someone tries to compete with their person or whatever...

02:09:51.000 I know.

02:09:51.000 It's nuts.

02:09:52.000 Yeah.

02:09:52.000 This is meant to be a partnership.

02:09:54.000 Right.

02:09:54.000 The intimate person in your life wants you to fail because they're competing with you and they want to get over on you.

02:10:00.000 But the thing is, what's good for me is good for us.

02:10:02.000 What's good for you is good for us.

02:10:04.000 Right.

02:10:04.000 If you're a team.

02:10:05.000 So again...

02:10:05.000 If you're a team.

02:10:06.000 I'm learning and I'm not looking because I think that ship sailed in the sense like... 0.72

02:10:12.000 When I look at someone like, say, even a corner with Dee Devlin, that's fucking cool. 0.91

02:10:16.000 I love that. 0.61

02:10:17.000 She's still with him to this day.

02:10:18.000 They've got to have many kids together.

02:10:19.000 That's cool.

02:10:20.000 Regardless of what the state of their relationship is now, it's like, look, she was with him when he was no one, and she believed in him.

02:10:26.000 That kind of stuff is rare these days.

02:10:28.000 So when I see it in other people, I'm just like...

02:10:30.000 Right.

02:10:31.000 They still love in the air, Joe.

02:10:33.000 It's still out there.

02:10:34.000 Sometimes it works.

02:10:34.000 Yeah.

02:10:34.000 It can work, but boy, you've got to find the right person.

02:10:37.000 No, they've got to find you.

02:10:38.000 Yeah.

02:10:39.000 I'm not looking.

02:10:40.000 I'm not looking.

02:10:42.000 I'm just chilling.

02:10:43.000 I actually got on Hinge the other day just for fun in LA. I was like, let me see.

02:10:46.000 I hate these apps.

02:10:47.000 I don't use those.

02:10:48.000 I tried to get on Raya. 0.99

02:10:49.000 They still have me on the fucking waiting list for fucking the last two years. 0.99

02:10:52.000 Oh, that's hilarious. 0.99

02:10:54.000 But I went on Hinge in LA just to see what's up.

02:10:56.000 But it's just funny.

02:10:58.000 It's just funny to see the experience.

02:10:59.000 I had a couple of interactions.

02:11:00.000 It was cool.

02:11:01.000 But I was like, ah, this is what people do now.

02:11:03.000 It felt like the questionnaire to get on Hinge.

02:11:05.000 I thought it was going to be like this thing, cool, cool, cool, put some pictures up. 0.75

02:11:09.000 I'm like, am I trying to do adoption or some shit?

02:11:11.000 Because it's like, what is this? 0.90

02:11:13.000 And what is your primary focus?

02:11:14.000 And I'm like, I spent like 20 minutes doing the whole thing.

02:11:18.000 So it's up now.

02:11:19.000 I still have it on in Austin.

02:11:20.000 I'm like, ah, that's just for fun out there.

02:11:26.000 Just for the lulls.

02:11:27.000 Just for the lulls.

02:11:28.000 Yeah.

02:11:29.000 Yeah.

02:11:30.000 Easy.

02:11:31.000 Nah.

02:11:32.000 Well, you know, you have to protect your time.

02:11:33.000 That's the problem.

02:11:35.000 Especially when you're doing something like fighting, the amount of time and dedication that's required to be at your very best is insane.

02:11:43.000 And there's nothing like it.

02:11:44.000 There's nothing like it.

02:11:45.000 Even in sports.

02:11:46.000 If you're a basketball player, you have to play basketball, you have to practice, but there's a lot more free time.

02:11:51.000 A lot more free time, and it doesn't drain your body the way fight training does.

02:11:55.000 The consequences is different.

02:11:57.000 Right.

02:11:59.000 It's like, after a game of rugby or whatever, cool.

02:12:02.000 I don't know how the...

02:12:05.000 The brackets work or whatever, even the basketball, football, soccer.

02:12:09.000 But then you get to play the next day.

02:12:10.000 Not the next day, sometimes the next week.

02:12:13.000 Fighting, it's not always like that.

02:12:15.000 Also, if you get hurt, you get hurt badly.

02:12:19.000 Suspension six months and you have to wait.

02:12:21.000 And then if you're not strong mentally, I've seen people break. 1.00

02:12:25.000 I've seen them break and it's just like, fuck, come on, man. 1.00

02:12:29.000 You're better than this. 1.00

02:12:30.000 So yeah, for me, fighting takes everything.

02:12:34.000 It takes everything and I've done well in this game and sometimes in the beginning I Didn't give everything so that's why now that I'm at this age.

02:12:43.000 I'm like yo Give everything so that way when I'm done.

02:12:46.000 I just know I Did everything I could to be the best and I was and I'm proud of myself.

02:12:53.000 So I'm yeah, I'm still here man.

02:12:55.000 I'm still like I said, I'm not fighting for You know, a belt or anything anymore.

02:13:01.000 That'll come around when it does.

02:13:03.000 But it's just, I'm just fighting just because I... Bro, a submission is more worthy to me than a third belt.

02:13:08.000 Like, I'm gonna get that.

02:13:10.000 Yeah, I'm gonna get that.

02:13:11.000 It's gonna...

02:13:12.000 And I'm not gonna look for it.

02:13:13.000 It's gonna present itself, and I'm gonna get it.

02:13:15.000 And I'd be like, right, I take that off, cool.

02:13:17.000 Because I've done a lot of cool shit in this game.

02:13:19.000 It's more like just the highlights. 0.94

02:13:21.000 And I just know I can.

02:13:22.000 So that's more worthy to me at the moment.

02:13:25.000 And that's like a maybe ego thing or personal thing.

02:13:28.000 But yeah, that's just me though.

02:13:30.000 Did you have a timeline on how much longer you want to fight for?

02:13:33.000 Like I said, right now I'd say three years, but I'll be 38. That's probably the end where guys can compete at the height.

02:13:41.000 Like Jared Cannoneer got to like 38, 39. He's starting to fall off a little bit.

02:13:46.000 And the last two fights he's lost.

02:13:48.000 I think GSB stopped just around there as well.

02:13:51.000 37 maybe.

02:13:52.000 When he fought Bisping?

02:13:53.000 Yeah.

02:13:54.000 But who knows?

02:13:54.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:13:55.000 I don't think I'm going to fight at 40. I think that's not me.

02:14:00.000 I'll be, nah.

02:14:01.000 Even for me as a person, I'd rather be doing something else.

02:14:05.000 But 38 right now is in my head.

02:14:08.000 Who knows? 0.99

02:14:08.000 Fucking 36, 37. I'm just like, right. 0.99

02:14:12.000 Peace.

02:14:13.000 I'm out.

02:14:13.000 I'm spontaneous like that.

02:14:15.000 But I think 38, eh, 39. But let's see.

02:14:19.000 Let's see what happens first.

02:14:20.000 But at the moment, I'm still here.

02:14:22.000 Do you have any thoughts of things to do other than things for adrenaline?

02:14:26.000 Oh yeah.

02:14:27.000 Like things to do with your time?

02:14:28.000 Apart from raising a family, production.

02:14:31.000 I definitely want to have my own production company and do stuff like...

02:14:37.000 A couple of acting things, of course, because they've already come up and I turned them down because of this game.

02:14:41.000 I was like, you know, you have to give everything to this game.

02:14:43.000 I don't want to spend three months somewhere filming, you know, this kind of stuff.

02:14:48.000 But definitely motion capture.

02:14:50.000 Definitely want to do that.

02:14:52.000 You know, what's his name?

02:14:53.000 The guy that did Andy Serkis, Planet of the Apes, Gollum, Caesar.

02:14:57.000 He's one of the best at it.

02:14:58.000 And I see the way he works and operates.

02:15:00.000 And I just, I know I can do that.

02:15:02.000 I can learn.

02:15:04.000 And I'm very coachable.

02:15:05.000 I can learn stuff like that.

02:15:06.000 Voice over work.

02:15:08.000 With some cartoons or animes or whatever, video games, motion capture stuff.

02:15:13.000 I'd like to...

02:15:15.000 I have my own ideas of things I want to bring to fruition, but I don't necessarily have the skills.

02:15:20.000 Even though I was doing computer graphic design for about three years, I knew how to...

02:15:23.000 Make a red ball bounce in Maya, the 3D program.

02:15:26.000 That was my biggest achievement in that.

02:15:28.000 But I can partner up with someone on studio and just bring my ideas to life if they like it.

02:15:34.000 I'll learn how to write a script, maybe, so I can present it properly. 0.99

02:15:38.000 Also, fuck, all this shit with AI, I might just be able to do it with AI in two years and be like, right, Boom. 1.00

02:15:45.000 And if it hits, it hits. 1.00

02:15:46.000 If it sucks, cool. 0.90

02:15:47.000 Do it again at the drawing board.

02:15:49.000 But yeah, a lot of things.

02:15:52.000 A lot of things.

02:15:52.000 I already have...

02:15:53.000 Again, shout out to my pops.

02:15:55.000 My pops is a real OG because he helped me just triple and quadruple my money.

02:16:01.000 Yeah.

02:16:02.000 Because if I didn't have him, I definitely would end up...

02:16:06.000 As one of those sad stories, I feel just because of who I am as a person, I feel like I would have ended up as one of those sad stories because of the trust I have in people.

02:16:14.000 So I'm glad I have my dad around just to make sure things are cool.

02:16:20.000 There's always vampires, right?

02:16:22.000 There's always vampires.

02:16:23.000 It's just human nature.

02:16:24.000 It's human nature.

02:16:25.000 I'm sure you have it as well on the way up.

02:16:27.000 And even now, I'm sure you have it as well.

02:16:29.000 But they always, they come out the woodwork, and it's like, let me see. 0.99

02:16:33.000 But then my dad's able to tell, this is legit, this is shit, or let me have a look at this first. 0.99

02:16:37.000 He goes through every contract. 0.99

02:16:39.000 I can read, but sometimes, because I'm dyslexic, I read really slow, or I just lose focus and shit like that. 1.00

02:16:48.000 Especially contract shit. 0.99

02:16:49.000 That's very difficult to really absorb. 0.99

02:16:51.000 There's no pictures.

02:16:54.000 You need an anime contract. 0.98

02:16:59.000 Make me a fucking cartoon that explains what happens if everything goes wrong. 0.99

02:17:04.000 With me crying. 0.99

02:17:05.000 Oh, no money.

02:17:08.000 Or me living in a palace with a bathtub filled with gold.

02:17:12.000 Yeah, but I just get, like, unless it's something maybe fiction that entices me and I can really go deep, but I like reading comics and shit like that, but a contract is just detail.

02:17:23.000 But there's one person on this planet I trust that wants the best for me is my father.

02:17:27.000 That's a great thing to have.

02:17:28.000 Amen.

02:17:29.000 Because even I've said this, guys like Khabib, you know, rest in peace to his pops, he had him in his corner.

02:17:35.000 Michael Jordan, he had his dad in his corner, you know, on the court.

02:17:39.000 My dad is in my corner, but that's on the stuff that really matters outside the cage in life. 0.96

02:17:46.000 When I talk about imposter syndrome, I'm like, how the fuck do I have this many houses? 0.84

02:17:50.000 I'm doing well. 0.95

02:17:51.000 Cool.

02:17:52.000 I know I'm adulting.

02:17:55.000 But that's because of my pops.

02:17:57.000 And I learned the game through him, but the details of the game I still don't know yet.

02:18:01.000 So after this, I'll have more, I guess, input in the sense that, okay, this and that and this is what this means and that, you know, with the property values and whatnot.

02:18:11.000 I try not to get too much into it because right now all I can focus on is this.

02:18:15.000 Fighting, the main thing.

02:18:17.000 If I don't have this, then yeah, I can definitely tap into all that kind of stuff.

02:18:21.000 But no, I'd rather just focus on this and let my dad handle it.

02:18:24.000 So again, I'm grateful, so grateful that he's around.

02:18:27.000 And he's the one that's helped me get to this point.

02:18:29.000 Because a lot of people don't even have their dad in their lives.

02:18:32.000 You know?

02:18:33.000 And I'm glad I do.

02:18:34.000 Yeah.

02:18:35.000 Overall, it seems like you're in a real good place.

02:18:38.000 I am.

02:18:39.000 Look, this is life.

02:18:42.000 You know how it is.

02:18:43.000 Ups and downs, smiles and frowns.

02:18:45.000 But right now, where I'm at, I'm in a good place.

02:18:48.000 Way better place.

02:18:49.000 Because again, the thing I did, I appreciated it after my last fight.

02:18:54.000 People come up and be like, hey man, that was a great fight last fight.

02:18:57.000 You did well.

02:18:58.000 Thank you.

02:18:59.000 But when people come, because I was at the buffet in Perth, and some guy came up to me just like, Hot luck, mate.

02:19:08.000 I was like, what?

02:19:10.000 He wanted to feel sorry for me. 1.00

02:19:11.000 I was like, nah, get your fucking shit off me. 1.00

02:19:13.000 I'm like, I'm good. 1.00

02:19:14.000 I'm like, bro, if you knew how much I made from this fight, you wouldn't even feel sorry for me.

02:19:19.000 But some people don't know how to react, so they come like...

02:19:22.000 Well, they were rooting for you and they feel bad.

02:19:25.000 I know, but I like the...

02:19:28.000 Again, I don't fault them for it because they don't know what to say.

02:19:30.000 But the ones that come up and be like, bro, that was a mean fight, man. 0.97

02:19:33.000 You almost had him, but that was a fucking good fight. 0.96

02:19:35.000 I'm like, thank you. 0.98

02:19:36.000 I felt good in that one.

02:19:38.000 It's a different look on the same thing.

02:19:41.000 It's like some look at it with like, yay, and some look at it with that.

02:19:44.000 But I'm in a better place because, again...

02:19:48.000 This isn't everything.

02:19:49.000 Fighting's not everything in my life.

02:19:51.000 I've lost many times out of fighting, you know, and I've come back.

02:19:55.000 I've lost in fighting many times and I've come back.

02:19:57.000 So for me right now, where I'm at in life, I'm enjoying it.

02:20:00.000 I'm enjoying the ride.

02:20:02.000 And yeah, I look forward to the future.

02:20:04.000 I look forward.

02:20:05.000 There's a thought that some people have that in order to be at your best, it has to be everything.

02:20:10.000 You have to live and die by your performances.

02:20:13.000 And when your performance sucks, you have to suffer until you get a good one.

02:20:17.000 Nah, that's not for me. 0.91

02:20:18.000 I've been there before, and it's not for me.

02:20:20.000 Everyone's different.

02:20:21.000 And I understand that when it's like, because even when I was on top of the world, you know, like number one and this and that, it never defined me.

02:20:30.000 I never let it define me.

02:20:32.000 I always knew.

02:20:34.000 I was Israel Adesanya before and after the belt.

02:20:37.000 I'm still me.

02:20:38.000 No matter what, they're still going to be trying to fight me because they want to have Israel Adesanya on their record.

02:20:45.000 They want to fight me.

02:20:47.000 They don't want to fight the champ.

02:20:48.000 People will probably even pick a fight over me than DDP. Or maybe not because it's probably an easier fight, they think.

02:20:54.000 But still, I'm me.

02:20:57.000 And that's never, ever going to change.

02:20:58.000 That's never, ever going to change as long as I stay true to me.

02:21:01.000 Yeah.

02:21:02.000 And I... Look, if this game was going to change me, if money was going to change me, it would have done it ages ago.

02:21:08.000 A lot of zeros ago.

02:21:10.000 But I've always been this guy with or without money.

02:21:14.000 You can ask anyone who really knows me, they'll tell you, oh yeah, that's the same dude I was dancing with back in the day. 0.90

02:21:20.000 Still the same goofball.

02:21:21.000 Keeps the same energy. 0.90

02:21:23.000 But now that I'm here, I just...

02:21:24.000 I have a lot more freedom to do things that I want to do than I'm grateful for.

02:21:28.000 But, yeah.

02:21:29.000 Uh...

02:21:31.000 I even look forward to seeing who I become next year, like who I evolve into next year.

02:21:35.000 Because again, I am me, but learning.

02:21:38.000 There's things I'm going to learn about myself.

02:21:39.000 I'm sure you have this as well.

02:21:41.000 Jamie has this.

02:21:41.000 We all have this.

02:21:42.000 We're just figuring out who we are.

02:21:44.000 What are you now?

02:21:45.000 57. No way.

02:21:47.000 Yeah.

02:21:48.000 So you're still learning.

02:21:49.000 You're never going to stop.

02:21:50.000 You never stop learning.

02:21:51.000 When you do, you're going to die.

02:21:53.000 Yeah, facts.

02:21:53.000 Yeah, life is an experience.

02:21:55.000 It's a long...

02:21:56.000 And people have this number thing in their head.

02:21:58.000 Oh, by 30, you should know this.

02:22:00.000 Some people, some people know.

02:22:01.000 Some people don't learn until they're 40. Some people never learn.

02:22:04.000 I thought I was going to be married with two kids at 23. Wow.

02:22:08.000 Well, you could have been.

02:22:09.000 If you zigged when you could have zagged.

02:22:11.000 Yeah, I'm glad I zagged.

02:22:16.000 I'm glad I zag for that one. 0.98

02:22:18.000 That was so long ago, and I was, again, I'm soft, bro. 0.99

02:22:23.000 I'm surprised I'm fucking great at this fighting shit. 0.99

02:22:28.000 I'm soft. 1.00

02:22:30.000 Do you see some idiot try to step me out? 1.00

02:22:33.000 Do you ever see that? 1.00

02:22:34.000 No.

02:22:34.000 What happened?

02:22:35.000 So, this is two weeks, three weeks ago.

02:22:38.000 I had a great, great day at training.

02:22:41.000 Morning.

02:22:42.000 Went to the shop to get a pie.

02:22:46.000 And I just thought, you know, people were just showing love.

02:22:48.000 I'm just, oh, hey, what's up?

02:22:49.000 Someone take a picture?

02:22:49.000 Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.

02:22:50.000 And then one guy just pulls up and goes, yo, Izzy, let's go.

02:22:54.000 One out.

02:22:54.000 I'm like, eh.

02:22:56.000 And I thought like, bro, this is stupid. 0.97

02:22:57.000 I was like, so I won out in New Zealand slang like one-on-one, like one out, so let's go. 1.00

02:23:02.000 And I was like, this is silly. 1.00

02:23:04.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:23:05.000 And I just started laughing and I said, bro, I get paid millions for this. 1.00

02:23:08.000 I'm not going to whoop your ass for free. 0.99

02:23:09.000 And then he kind of got angry and he's stuck at the lights. 1.00

02:23:12.000 It's green.

02:23:13.000 People are honking, driving around him.

02:23:15.000 And I'm laughing, walking away with my pies in my hand. 1.00

02:23:18.000 I remember just looking like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:23:20.000 And I grabbed my car door and I went, And that pissed him off. 0.99

02:23:25.000 Then he drove and then parked in front of my car, and I was like, okay.

02:23:30.000 Took my watch off, and I told a guy, can you please call the cops?

02:23:32.000 And I'm glad only one person actually decided to help.

02:23:35.000 Oh, I did see the video of that.

02:23:37.000 I saw just a small clip of it.

02:23:38.000 I didn't know exactly what was going on. 1.00

02:23:40.000 Just an idiot. 1.00

02:23:41.000 But again, I'm glad this is the day and age of people just, boom, cameras out. 1.00

02:23:46.000 Because everyone who was around, everyone got their cameras out.

02:23:49.000 There was only one guy who used his phone to call the cops when I asked him.

02:23:52.000 Because I didn't want to hurt this guy.

02:23:54.000 And this guy, I don't know if he was going through something or he was maybe cracked out or something.

02:23:58.000 Because even the guy, the video that came out, it seemed like it was set up because the guy kept on going...

02:24:03.000 And I'm like, what are you trying to say?

02:24:05.000 And I'm glad I... Like I said, I'm soft.

02:24:09.000 I have patience.

02:24:10.000 And if I had a bad day, it might have been different.

02:24:12.000 I like to say that because of freedom of thought.

02:24:16.000 But also, my friend, you know, Fauvake got killed by senseless street violence.

02:24:21.000 This is something that we've talked about even in the film.

02:24:23.000 It was something that we all had to go through because...

02:24:26.000 He got hit with a coward punch, and then hit the ground, and then boom, he's in a coma for about two weeks, and then eventually they have to pull the plug.

02:24:34.000 As I'm talking to this guy, at one point I go, bro, I don't know you. 0.99

02:24:39.000 Whatever has happened, I don't fucking know you. 0.89

02:24:41.000 I'm sorry. 1.00

02:24:41.000 And he's like, yeah, talk to me nicely, bitch. 1.00

02:24:44.000 And I started getting angry, and then got to the point I spat at him. 0.99

02:24:48.000 And that was me like, I hoped he did something.

02:24:51.000 And then I'm like, right, I'm taking this guy out.

02:24:53.000 But then when I spat at him, he just looked down and kept on talking.

02:24:56.000 And I realized, you're not about this life.

02:24:57.000 I'm not going to spend the next 10 minutes talking to this guy.

02:25:01.000 It just elevates him in his mind.

02:25:03.000 Exactly.

02:25:03.000 Oh, he took his shirt off at the end.

02:25:04.000 I got in my car.

02:25:05.000 I was driving off.

02:25:06.000 He had his shirt off flexing. 1.00

02:25:07.000 Like, what, bitch, what? 1.00

02:25:09.000 And I was like, no, this guy's cracked out. 1.00

02:25:10.000 Oh, he's a crazy person. 0.82

02:25:11.000 So for me, again, that's why I say I'm soft. 0.97

02:25:13.000 And I had to...

02:25:15.000 I had to really hold myself back.

02:25:17.000 I don't know.

02:25:18.000 I'm sure you've...

02:25:19.000 No one tries you anymore, of course. 1.00

02:25:21.000 They'd fucking be stupid to try you. 0.99

02:25:23.000 But I was thinking no one would try me anymore. 1.00

02:25:25.000 Because back in the day, someone would try me.

02:25:27.000 I'm like, bro. 0.94

02:25:28.000 Bro, people were trying Chuck Liddell in his prime and he was a complete psychopath.

02:25:31.000 Try not to Dan Hooker.

02:25:32.000 Dan would not have the patience that I have. 0.99

02:25:36.000 Dan would fucking instantly demolish that guy. 0.98

02:25:40.000 But again, I just don't want to do something. 0.99

02:25:43.000 Because if you breached the line, I was within range.

02:25:48.000 And within my rights to strike him.

02:25:49.000 And like what happened with your friend? 1.00

02:25:51.000 If you knock that guy out and he bounces his head off the curb and dies.

02:25:54.000 That was what was going through my head.

02:25:55.000 And also we started this charity Walk Without Fear.

02:25:58.000 And I'm glad nothing happened.

02:26:00.000 I'm glad I was patient because now that video can be used because we're trying to change the laws.

02:26:06.000 Look, the guys that killed my friend, when we were in lockdown, they were on home detention.

02:26:14.000 So they're free now.

02:26:16.000 They're walking free, enjoying their life.

02:26:18.000 And my friend is dead.

02:26:19.000 They didn't get convicted?

02:26:21.000 I think one of them did, but the rest of them, they had home detention.

02:26:24.000 The ones that actually even helped, they got home detention, and I think for a year and a half.

02:26:29.000 So six months of that home detention, we all did it together in lockdown.

02:26:33.000 So what kind of punishment's that?

02:26:35.000 You get to sit at home and watch Netflix.

02:26:37.000 And my friend's daughter has to grow up without a father.

02:26:40.000 For nothing.

02:26:41.000 For nothing.

02:26:41.000 Just because ego, alcohol, drunk, this and that.

02:26:45.000 So again, I'm glad I'm soft and I don't like confrontation.

02:26:50.000 But when it's time to get down, I will get down.

02:26:53.000 And I've put it out enough. 0.98

02:26:56.000 I want to protect my boundaries and shit like that.

02:26:59.000 But I don't ever want to be put in a position where someone tries to set me up just so they can make money off me. 0.63

02:27:04.000 But there will be a point if someone tries me enough that I'll have to definitely defend myself.

02:27:08.000 And there's no fucking referee in a street fight that's gonna drag me off a person in that. 0.97

02:27:13.000 I see red, bro. 1.00

02:27:15.000 Not that shit. 1.00

02:27:17.000 I see red, bro. 1.00

02:27:18.000 Isn't that the funniest shit? 1.00

02:27:20.000 Not that shit. 1.00

02:27:21.000 Bro, that's your own blood. 1.00

02:27:25.000 I see red.

02:27:26.000 You should see clearly. 0.98

02:27:28.000 That's a ridiculous thing. 0.94

02:27:30.000 I've never heard anybody say I see red and it worked out well. 0.53

02:27:35.000 But yeah, I'm glad it worked out well for me and I spared a life that day because if not, it would have been really bad and then I might not be here. 0.99

02:27:44.000 I might be in a fucking cell somewhere. 0.99

02:27:46.000 They might try to make an example out of you. 1.00

02:27:48.000 They will. 0.99

02:27:48.000 Especially if you killed somebody. 0.99

02:27:50.000 These motherfuckers in NZ, the bureaucrats, they don't like people like me. 1.00

02:27:55.000 They don't like people like me who was outspoken, who was not a quintessential Kiwi. 1.00

02:27:59.000 You know what I mean?

02:28:00.000 The guy that just keeps quiet and yeah, you know.

02:28:02.000 Follows the rules.

02:28:03.000 Just very humble.

02:28:05.000 Fake humility is something I've never been.

02:28:08.000 I know humble is what it is for real because I deal with that every day. 0.98

02:28:13.000 I fucking spark Carlos Navajo. 0.97

02:28:16.000 I grow with Dan. 1.00

02:28:17.000 I get humbled every fucking day. 0.99

02:28:19.000 So I know what real humility is. 0.99

02:28:21.000 But for me to try and let the world know I'm humble just so I seem like I'm humble, that's that fake shit and I'll never be that. 0.99

02:28:28.000 And when I see it, I cringe because I'm like, I know you. 0.99

02:28:33.000 It's like, nigga, I know you. 1.00

02:28:36.000 We've done things.

02:28:38.000 So when I see people do that, I'm like, just be real.

02:28:41.000 I try to keep it real as always.

02:28:43.000 But again, like I said, I'm soft, but sometimes...

02:28:47.000 It's a real challenge to be yourself with the kind of attention and pressure that you get.

02:28:52.000 The magnifying glass of the world.

02:28:54.000 And I would never change.

02:28:55.000 I'll never not express myself the way I always do.

02:28:59.000 But...

02:29:00.000 Sometimes the world will try and put you in a box and be like, this is what you're meant to be.

02:29:04.000 This is who you're meant to be.

02:29:06.000 And I'm like, nah.

02:29:06.000 It's always weak people that want to do that.

02:29:08.000 Bro, like, who was the one I put up the other day?

02:29:11.000 Because I was...

02:29:12.000 There was a scene from my movie.

02:29:13.000 I was getting my nails done.

02:29:15.000 I was like, what was I doing?

02:29:15.000 Some drip tips.

02:29:17.000 And then I put a clip next to it where Cam goes, well, I've been wearing pink my whole life. 0.88

02:29:22.000 Niggas been saying I'm gay. 0.99

02:29:23.000 Bro, if you think I'm gay, bring your mother around. 1.00

02:29:25.000 Bring your sister around. 1.00

02:29:27.000 I fucking loved that. 0.99

02:29:28.000 I was like... 0.99

02:29:29.000 Yes, because again, I don't care.

02:29:31.000 It's never been an issue for me.

02:29:32.000 I think people think because I never flexed my girlfriends or anything online, they're like, nah, definitely.

02:29:38.000 This guy's sus.

02:29:39.000 Also because I'm nice and I'm soft.

02:29:41.000 Makes you sus. 0.94

02:29:42.000 That's hilarious.

02:29:43.000 Being a nice person makes you sus.

02:29:45.000 Yeah, because I'm not a dickhead. 0.99

02:29:46.000 So silly. 1.00

02:29:47.000 But I can be a dickhead. 1.00

02:29:48.000 I have been a dickhead in the past. 0.99

02:29:49.000 But again, I was raised right. 0.95

02:29:51.000 My family actually, my mom and dad raised me with good morals.

02:29:56.000 And yeah, I treat people with respect.

02:29:59.000 And even if I don't get it back, it's like, cool, whatever.

02:30:01.000 But yeah, people expect you to be this kind of...

02:30:05.000 Oh man, you're a lot different than I thought you would be in person.

02:30:09.000 Well, you're not trying to fight me, so no.

02:30:12.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:13.000 People expect you to be some type of way.

02:30:16.000 Hard. 1.00

02:30:16.000 Yeah, or even an asshole. 1.00

02:30:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:30:19.000 Look, there's people you can find who'd be like, yeah, he's an asshole. 1.00

02:30:21.000 And I was like, well, yeah. 1.00

02:30:23.000 But who are you?

02:30:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:30:24.000 I was an asshole. 1.00

02:30:25.000 To you? 1.00

02:30:26.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

02:30:26.000 But you're an asshole. 1.00

02:30:27.000 So I had to be an asshole to get you the fuck away from me. 1.00

02:30:29.000 Facts, facts. 1.00

02:30:30.000 And I'm fine with that now.

02:30:32.000 Because back in the day when I first came into this game, I always felt like I had to, with every fan, I had to put on this song and dance.

02:30:39.000 Oh, hey, how's it going?

02:30:41.000 But sometimes I might be at a four.

02:30:43.000 Or five at energy levels.

02:30:44.000 So if someone pulls up on me, I'm just like, yeah, cool.

02:30:46.000 Let's take a picture.

02:30:47.000 But I don't have to hammer it up to make them feel like this is a great experience.

02:30:52.000 Oh, he's such a nice guy.

02:30:53.000 It's like, bro, the day my cat died, I was pumping gas and the guy tried to make me talk to his cousin on the phone.

02:31:01.000 And I said no.

02:31:02.000 And he's like, oh, all good.

02:31:03.000 And I felt bad.

02:31:04.000 And I was like, give me the phone.

02:31:05.000 And I'm there with the phone.

02:31:07.000 Pumping gas.

02:31:08.000 And I went, bro, no phones. 0.99

02:31:10.000 I was like, get the fuck away. 0.97

02:31:11.000 But I did that because I felt bad that I didn't talk to his cousin on the phone while I'm pumping gas. 0.96

02:31:16.000 So what'll happen if something happened and boom?

02:31:20.000 Or what?

02:31:20.000 Because I wanted to talk to this guy's cousin on the phone because he saw me at a gas station while I'm pumping gas.

02:31:25.000 So when I talk about protecting my boundaries, It's just about time and place and approach.

02:31:31.000 And I've put that out enough where I feel like people do respect it now.

02:31:37.000 But some people still think I hate fans or whatever, but I'm like, that's what you think?

02:31:40.000 If that's what you got from my message, then cool, you think that.

02:31:42.000 But it's about protecting my energy and protecting my boundaries.

02:31:45.000 Well, I don't think they'll ever understand what it's like to be a person like you.

02:31:48.000 Yeah.

02:31:49.000 Be in the spotlight.

02:31:50.000 Yeah.

02:31:51.000 And so, again, they feel like you have this advantage, this privilege that no one else gets, so they think that you owe them something.

02:31:57.000 You owe them your time.

02:31:59.000 Bro, I'm a fan.

02:32:00.000 I pay for your pay-per-views.

02:32:01.000 Right, right, right.

02:32:01.000 No, you don't.

02:32:02.000 You're just talking shit. 1.00

02:32:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:32:03.000 Oh, the ones that is when they come, bro, I bet on your fight, eh? 1.00

02:32:08.000 I'm like, yeah. 1.00

02:32:10.000 Fuck your multi. 1.00

02:32:11.000 Because again, I put my life on this shit. 1.00

02:32:12.000 Every time I step in there, I put my life on the line. 1.00

02:32:15.000 But they will never understand that.

02:32:17.000 They'll come and tell me like, yeah, bro, one time, this was years ago, and the guy showed me a betting slip.

02:32:22.000 I was like, and?

02:32:24.000 This is after a yarn fight.

02:32:25.000 He showed me a bet.

02:32:26.000 I'm like, cool.

02:32:28.000 Like, what do you expect me to do?

02:32:29.000 Give you a refund?

02:32:30.000 Right. 1.00

02:32:31.000 Nah, fuck you. 1.00

02:32:32.000 So I can't remember how I respond. 1.00

02:32:33.000 It's called gambling.

02:32:33.000 Yeah.

02:32:34.000 Do you think I wasn't trying to win?

02:32:35.000 If you ain't got it like that, don't put your money up.

02:32:38.000 Right.

02:32:38.000 I only gamble with money that I'm going to lose or I can afford to lose.

02:32:42.000 But again, yeah, I'm fucking gambling with my life. 0.98

02:32:44.000 Right. 0.99

02:32:45.000 I'm trying to win.

02:32:45.000 And then something bad could happen and I'm not here again, you know?

02:32:49.000 So, yeah, people are weird and I love people.

02:32:53.000 Like, I always say this.

02:32:56.000 There's something about every group of people on this planet that I love, including my own.

02:33:04.000 And there's something I hate about every group of people on this planet.

02:33:07.000 Just little things, little things that just annoys me.

02:33:10.000 I'll say like, okay, Nigerians. 0.95

02:33:13.000 I hate how the elders sometimes confuse respect with fear.

02:33:17.000 Because that's how I grew up.

02:33:18.000 They confuse respect with fear.

02:33:21.000 And I've had to deal with that, you know?

02:33:23.000 I'm not going to say anything else about anyone else because they know it's like, oh, Israel hates these people or whatever.

02:33:27.000 But again, I love people.

02:33:29.000 But at the same time, They're taking advantage of the fact that you're being respectful.

02:33:32.000 I love me first.

02:33:33.000 I know what you're saying.

02:33:34.000 I gotta put me first.

02:33:35.000 Yeah, you have to.

02:33:36.000 If you don't, nobody else will.

02:33:38.000 Facts.

02:33:38.000 Nah, I have to, bro.

02:33:39.000 Well, listen, brother, I think the way you handle yourself and the way you communicate and the way you're honest and just you can be yourself, it's a great example to other people, especially young fighters that are coming up and trying to figure out how they're going to manage this.

02:33:52.000 And if they ever be so fortunate, they get to a position like yourself.

02:33:57.000 You gave them a little road map.

02:34:00.000 And I think that's a beautiful gift to give people, an understanding of how an intelligent, sensitive person deals with this crazy position in life.

02:34:10.000 Thank you.

02:34:11.000 That actually hit.

02:34:12.000 Thank you so much.

02:34:13.000 Nah, yeah.

02:34:14.000 I can say the same about you.

02:34:16.000 What you've done, everything from Dave Dawson since I've met you that you don't remember, and I'm glad you don't remember, to now, even being friends with you.

02:34:24.000 I like being friends with you.

02:34:25.000 And also, I don't Because you still have a job to do, and I never want to put you in a compromised position.

02:34:30.000 I always still have to respect you and what you do, and I still kind of keep my distance a little bit, but I always respect and appreciate every time that we've interacted or hang out and, you know, who you are as a person.

02:34:43.000 Thank you.

02:34:44.000 I appreciate you, brother.

02:34:45.000 Thank you, brother.

02:34:45.000 Love you, man.

02:34:46.000 You're the fucking man. 1.00

02:34:47.000 Let's go. 1.00

02:34:48.000 All right.

02:34:48.000 Let's wrap it up.

02:34:49.000 What else?

02:34:50.000 Watch Style Bender on Prime.

02:34:52.000 Watch it.

02:34:52.000 Apple TV. There it is.

02:34:54.000 Bang! 1.00

02:34:54.000 Beautiful. 1.00

02:34:55.000 Awesome.

02:34:56.000 All right.

02:34:56.000 Thank you so much, man.

02:34:57.000 Thank you.

02:34:57.000 I appreciate it, brother.

02:34:58.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 06, 2011

JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya

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