The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #165 with Jiri Prochazka

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00:00:11.000 Great to have you in, man.

00:00:13.000 Great to be here.

00:00:14.000 How are you feeling?

00:00:15.000 You must be feeling fantastic.

00:00:17.000 Many things were successful, so even if I was a little bit, had a flu, many things...

00:00:28.000 You had a flu before that fight?

00:00:30.000 Yeah, for one week, like five days, five days before five weeks, I was in, how to say that, heat, like body's warm.

00:00:43.000 Fever?

00:00:44.000 Fever, yeah, fever.

00:00:45.000 So, yeah.

00:00:47.000 That's crazy.

00:00:48.000 That was, yeah, that was something, but every time.

00:00:53.000 Maybe I'm a little bit glad for that because...

00:00:56.000 I'm every time trying to push my preparation too much that I'm every time like hurt myself or I'm overtrained.

00:01:07.000 Right.

00:01:07.000 So that's why I'm maybe just a little bit glad for that.

00:01:12.000 That's interesting, right?

00:01:14.000 Like it's so hard because you want to prepare so hard.

00:01:18.000 You're so disciplined, so driven, but...

00:01:21.000 You can do yourself a disservice.

00:01:23.000 You can go too far, and then you don't recover enough, and then you go into the fight a little compromised.

00:01:28.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:01:29.000 Yeah, we've seen that many times with fighters who just get so enthusiastic about their training.

00:01:33.000 Yeah, because I feel like self-confidence and still there is something what you can do better, yeah, every day.

00:01:45.000 And that's my idea of the training, life idea.

00:01:49.000 To go better every day, 1% better, 1% better.

00:01:54.000 Even if you don't, if you can't train, you can sit in a meditation and visualize how you train, how the body is working.

00:02:06.000 Sometimes is the most biggest, like, the biggest thing what you can do is just...

00:02:17.000 Rest.

00:02:17.000 Like you show me the floating.

00:02:19.000 Yes.

00:02:21.000 Yeah, you need one of those, man.

00:02:23.000 All the people that I know, you need one.

00:02:26.000 Sensory deprivation tank.

00:02:27.000 You should get one of those.

00:02:28.000 Because I know you're into meditation.

00:02:30.000 I know you spend a lot of time in dark rooms.

00:02:32.000 That's meditation times 100. That's right.

00:02:36.000 Do you monitor your heart rate every day to see what your recovery is at?

00:02:40.000 Or do you just go by feel?

00:02:42.000 Feeling.

00:02:43.000 I did that in...

00:02:45.000 High attitude training in all the November in Mexico, Mexico City, where it's 2,300, 200 meters.

00:02:56.000 Yeah, 7,700 feet above sea level, I believe.

00:02:59.000 Yes, and there I monitor everything, like take up blood exams before, in, and after this camp, four weeks camp there.

00:03:12.000 Man, amazing.

00:03:14.000 Amazing.

00:03:14.000 Well, your endurance was incredible in that fight because that was such a high-paced fight.

00:03:20.000 And still, I felt like after that flu, I felt a little bit down.

00:03:29.000 Well, that's pretty amazing then.

00:03:30.000 You must have been in insane shape before the flu.

00:03:34.000 It's that fine line, that balance.

00:03:37.000 So you went to Mexico City.

00:03:40.000 Did you know a gym up there?

00:03:42.000 Did you bring your camp up there?

00:03:44.000 I was there in UFC Performance Institute there.

00:03:48.000 There's a new one.

00:03:50.000 You have everything here in the Performance Institute, like regeneration, training, coaches, coaches with the pads.

00:04:00.000 So I was there for...

00:04:03.000 Especially to work on the things that I took from the last fight with Pereira to work on the hands up a little bit.

00:04:17.000 Just a little bit.

00:04:18.000 A little bit.

00:04:19.000 But we were talking about it in the broadcast.

00:04:21.000 Your hands down sometimes has a benefit.

00:04:25.000 There's a real advantage to it because no one sees where those punches are coming from.

00:04:30.000 So for the people that don't know what I'm talking about.

00:04:33.000 Not just punches.

00:04:34.000 Movement.

00:04:35.000 Movement.

00:04:35.000 Head movement.

00:04:36.000 Head movement was excellent.

00:04:37.000 Everything.

00:04:38.000 Your head movement was excellent.

00:04:39.000 And the feeling.

00:04:40.000 Feeling with the hands up is another one with the hands down.

00:04:50.000 Because this is your natural posture.

00:04:54.000 So you spend most of the time in this.

00:04:59.000 And it's about just feeling the space.

00:05:04.000 I can explain to another person like this one.

00:05:07.000 Because when I am in, in the flow, like you want to be in the flow, in the fight.

00:05:15.000 Something between the flow and the uncomfortable.

00:05:18.000 Somewhere in the center.

00:05:21.000 So when I achieved this attitude, that's why I don't need to keep my hands up because this for me means, and for everybody, that means defending.

00:05:34.000 I don't need to defend myself when I see everything, when I feel everything.

00:05:41.000 But like I understand in this preparation, where I tried, where I did.

00:05:48.000 All the camp, hands up, like this gives you the calm in a close distance.

00:05:56.000 In a close distance, it's not so...

00:05:59.000 Sometimes it's not so smart to keep hands down.

00:06:05.000 But I'm crazy enough to go through, to be in the moment, to stress my body so much.

00:06:15.000 In this situation to see every movement, every start of the movement of my opponent that I can react before he starts.

00:06:24.000 And the next level is to try to read the thinking of the opponent, what he wants to do before he do that.

00:06:41.000 So there are many levels of that.

00:06:45.000 But sometimes I can't explain that.

00:06:48.000 Sometimes, like in the second fight with Pereira, I was a little bit punched in the end of the first round.

00:07:00.000 So I stepped to the second round and I said to myself, I was too courageous.

00:07:06.000 And keep the hands down.

00:07:07.000 So that's why it happened.

00:07:10.000 Well, you should have been more defensive maybe to recover.

00:07:13.000 Yes, yes.

00:07:14.000 One thing you said after that fight, you said you have to evolve.

00:07:17.000 And one thing that I saw in this last fight with Jamal Hill was evolution.

00:07:22.000 I really saw it.

00:07:23.000 You really see it.

00:07:24.000 Like, the counters, the head movement, and the counters were brilliant.

00:07:30.000 There's one that I put on my Instagram stories.

00:07:33.000 It was so incredible.

00:07:35.000 He threw a punch, you slid slightly out of the way, landed a straight left, and then the right hook that dropped him.

00:07:43.000 But it was so dynamic.

00:07:45.000 It was so fast and precise.

00:07:47.000 I was like, that's a different Yuri Prochaska.

00:07:50.000 Like, your earlier fights were always excellent.

00:07:54.000 You always had amazing power and very unusual movement, very difficult to predict.

00:07:58.000 But the sharpness of your counters was on another level in this fight.

00:08:02.000 That's what I worked on.

00:08:04.000 Yeah.

00:08:04.000 To not just connect to the opponent and react what's happened right now, but a little bit before what will happen.

00:08:17.000 Yes.

00:08:18.000 Well, you're definitely getting better, which is so fascinating.

00:08:22.000 You had a very brilliant approach.

00:08:24.000 You waited until you had reached a certain level before you entered the UFC. You could have been in the UFC years earlier.

00:08:31.000 Yeah, that's right.

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00:09:41.000 Seriously, get on this.

00:09:43.000 And I have to say thank you to my coaches for that because we worked on my style.

00:09:52.000 We are consulting like...

00:09:54.000 Communicate about that style, what to make it better, how to do that.

00:09:59.000 That's why I'm keeping my two coaches, what I began with, began with all the time with me.

00:10:09.000 Because I think that's the only thing you can go to be a master in something, to stay with some people, with some...

00:10:23.000 A tight circle.

00:10:25.000 Yeah, a tight circle and go deeper.

00:10:27.000 You can go really deep.

00:10:30.000 Yeah.

00:10:30.000 It's also, I value loyalty.

00:10:33.000 Loyalty is very important.

00:10:35.000 This is it, yeah.

00:10:36.000 It means a lot, you know, and when people worked really hard to get you to a certain level.

00:10:40.000 What I like is there's some coaches that they recognize that maybe there's other skill sets they can bring in, so they work with other people as well, you know, but always stay with the people that brought you.

00:10:52.000 As long as the relationship is good, always stay with the people that brought you to the game.

00:10:55.000 Sure, sure, because in the end, you can change whoever, but you have to...

00:11:03.000 Start again with the same people and go.

00:11:06.000 And again, you will go to the same level, to the same problems with these people because it's not about them.

00:11:15.000 It's always about you to recognize what's in you.

00:11:18.000 How much tape do you watch?

00:11:20.000 Do you watch a lot of film?

00:11:21.000 Do you watch videos of fights?

00:11:23.000 Yeah.

00:11:24.000 I was five days sick before the fight, so I just watched...

00:11:32.000 Spartans 300. Ongback, I watch.

00:11:37.000 Ongback, man. 1.00

00:11:38.000 That's wild shit.

00:11:40.000 No wild shit, but I was really inspired.

00:11:45.000 I was really hungry to see something because a long time I didn't see some good, not good movie.

00:11:54.000 It doesn't matter if it's good or new, but these old classics.

00:11:59.000 Of the fighting, Jean-Claude Van Damme with kickboxer and all these things.

00:12:03.000 Oh yeah.

00:12:04.000 That's what made a spark inside me to a true love for martial arts because they, in that movies, they live that.

00:12:17.000 Really live that.

00:12:18.000 And they have no other chance to solve their problems just by martial arts and something.

00:12:26.000 So that's...

00:12:27.000 That's why I'm...

00:12:28.000 So you got inspired by movies?

00:12:29.000 Yeah.

00:12:30.000 Do you watch a lot of films of fight footage, like your fights, your opponent's fights?

00:12:34.000 Yeah, yeah, but I don't need to...

00:12:36.000 I don't need many times to study that.

00:12:39.000 I just need to, like, see once...

00:12:42.000 Once I just see the attitude of the start of the fight, how he's fighting, his...

00:12:50.000 How to say?

00:12:51.000 His spirit, his mindset, how he's thinking, how he's...

00:12:54.000 The start of moving of his body.

00:12:57.000 How he's reacting for, not just for opponent, for the many situations, for slipping and movement, but everything, like personal and studying that guy.

00:13:13.000 His energy.

00:13:14.000 His energy, his vibe, how he's reacting, how he's reacting.

00:13:22.000 in some situation like these eye pokes and all these things like some breaks in the fight every time because it shows you how he has under control himself all the time all the time and this is something what Alex Pereira I don't know what is his story behind but He handled that.

00:13:52.000 He handled that, and that's how he is.

00:13:55.000 Now he's starting to be more relaxed, and I wish him to stay sharp.

00:14:02.000 Well, I think he's more relaxed outside the fight, but in the fight, he's always very calm.

00:14:08.000 Very calm and very focused.

00:14:10.000 Yes, yes.

00:14:12.000 Did you watch your first fight with him before you watched the second, before you have fought him the second time?

00:14:18.000 Yes, sure, sure.

00:14:19.000 Yeah, I studied him a lot, but the second fight I... I little push it too much.

00:14:30.000 Too aggressive?

00:14:31.000 No, no, no.

00:14:32.000 I mean, like...

00:14:33.000 Training?

00:14:34.000 After the fight, I was like, I want Alex Pereira, after I'm ready for him.

00:14:40.000 Right now, I'm ready too, but I'm open for...

00:14:45.000 For whoever, UFC will give me like a next opponent to prove that I am.

00:14:54.000 But I want a true challenge.

00:14:56.000 Like, I want a true challenge from the, I think, top five guys.

00:15:01.000 Right.

00:15:02.000 The interesting thing about the light heavyweight division is there's only about five really exciting contenders.

00:15:11.000 Four or five really exciting.

00:15:12.000 There's not a deep pool.

00:15:14.000 Of fighters that would be, you know, very interesting to see you fight.

00:15:18.000 That's right, because there is a, like I said today, there's a few guys who really have the taste, have the drive to go to the top.

00:15:32.000 I want to go to the top.

00:15:33.000 I want to take it.

00:15:35.000 I feel the energy of the crown and I can take it.

00:15:43.000 That's why I'm doing that.

00:15:47.000 That's why I'm still talking about that, to be there.

00:15:50.000 Because I really feel that I can be the top.

00:15:56.000 And one thing what I needed is that I had to be stable.

00:16:04.000 Stable to not just get to the top and back and out, but to go to the top.

00:16:12.000 Know how it is to be there.

00:16:15.000 Know to keep all these weights on the top, what there is.

00:16:26.000 Yeah, defending the title is more difficult even than getting the title.

00:16:32.000 And then it's improving while you're champion.

00:16:36.000 Daniel Cormier always says that every champion improves significantly once they become champion because you have the confidence of being champion.

00:16:43.000 And it's just how long can you maintain the kind of energy that's required to constantly get better?

00:16:51.000 Because it's not just about maintaining, right?

00:16:53.000 It's about constantly improving, constant analysis of all your movements and what you're doing right, mistakes that were made, what the thought process was before the mistake and how to eliminate that.

00:17:05.000 Yeah, this is something what is...

00:17:09.000 Like I said, the style of Japanese, they call that kaizen. 0.96

00:17:14.000 Yes.

00:17:15.000 Kaizen, like daily improvements, small improvements, daily recognizing what's bad, what's good.

00:17:21.000 And sometimes I feel like it's sick, like to be too much obsessed in that.

00:17:29.000 Man, you need a little break.

00:17:31.000 That's why I think the life gave me this.

00:17:36.000 Little break before this.

00:17:38.000 The little flu.

00:17:38.000 Yeah.

00:17:39.000 Was that why you came in so light?

00:17:41.000 Yeah.

00:17:42.000 Was that why?

00:17:43.000 That was why.

00:17:44.000 Because I was watching a video where Luke Thomas was going over your performance.

00:17:48.000 Everybody was very impressed, and he was as well.

00:17:50.000 But one of the things that he was talking about was that you only weighed 208 pounds when you walked into the cage.

00:17:57.000 I thought I will do my best when I would go to the sauna night before the waiting.

00:18:06.000 And spend there.

00:18:07.000 And again, I switched myself in the sauna and I was there like for two hours.

00:18:14.000 Oh no!

00:18:16.000 Like 15 minutes, 15, 15, like many rounds.

00:18:19.000 Right, right, right.

00:18:20.000 Two hours there.

00:18:21.000 Do you do sauna cold or just sauna relax?

00:18:25.000 Relax, relax.

00:18:27.000 No, no, no.

00:18:29.000 Sauna cold.

00:18:30.000 Okay, so then you go back in the sauna.

00:18:32.000 Yes, sure.

00:18:33.000 And cold normally like...

00:18:35.000 The cold, cold plunge.

00:18:36.000 I'm doing that daily because I have at home the cold plunge.

00:18:41.000 Yes.

00:18:41.000 And I'm using that.

00:18:43.000 Yeah, they're fantastic.

00:18:44.000 Yeah.

00:18:45.000 But the fun is, the second day after that, and I didn't drink anything after the sauna.

00:18:56.000 And next day morning, I went to the control weight.

00:19:01.000 And then I have, I don't know, 91 kilograms.

00:19:07.000 I'm fighting in 93 and a half.

00:19:12.000 And I was two and a half kilograms under my weight.

00:19:18.000 Sounds like 200 pounds.

00:19:19.000 I was the only one guy who was in row to the weights.

00:19:27.000 I tried to hide myself before other guys, and I drank one liter of the water, second liter of the water.

00:19:36.000 Wow.

00:19:37.000 Just because you didn't want to weigh in light.

00:19:39.000 Yeah, because I spent too much time in the sauna, man.

00:19:42.000 Wow.

00:19:43.000 That's crazy.

00:19:44.000 Because you only weighed 208. Yeah.

00:19:47.000 I felt really like...

00:19:48.000 You look great.

00:19:50.000 You look very lean and fat.

00:19:52.000 Fast, man.

00:19:53.000 Fast.

00:19:54.000 You've always been very fast, but you looked even faster.

00:19:59.000 It's just all about this, man.

00:20:02.000 If you have the reason why and you can not just you want it like your ego just want it, but you feel it like it's your destiny, these moments, and it's yours.

00:20:18.000 So then...

00:20:22.000 Then it will happen.

00:20:24.000 So do you feel like maybe even the fights with Pereira are a blessing and that it showed you what you need to work on?

00:20:33.000 Every time.

00:20:35.000 This is the only way how I want to see that.

00:20:39.000 Especially the guy like him who's a really top guy.

00:20:52.000 His style, his mindset, what he showed till now was something what I needed to work on.

00:21:03.000 Still, I'm on the way.

00:21:05.000 Well, his style is extraordinary.

00:21:08.000 It's very unusual, as is yours.

00:21:11.000 But the thing that's shocking the most about him is that he only needs to hit you once.

00:21:16.000 Is it much different, the power that you feel from him than anybody else?

00:21:22.000 There is a difference from other guys.

00:21:24.000 Yeah, there is a difference.

00:21:27.000 But...

00:21:27.000 Only one thing I can say, like...

00:21:33.000 I know the recipe.

00:21:36.000 You know the recipe?

00:21:38.000 Yeah.

00:21:38.000 What's the recipe?

00:21:39.000 What's the recipe?

00:21:40.000 How to...

00:21:41.000 Because you have to know how to give the punch and how to act like to...

00:21:49.000 How to accept the punches.

00:21:51.000 How to move with it.

00:21:55.000 How to overcome the bad moments and all these things.

00:21:59.000 But it's better, much better to defend the punch with the hand or defend the punch with the movement.

00:22:09.000 Did you ever watch any of his glory kickboxing fights?

00:22:13.000 This is a good one to watch, the Artem Vahitov fight.

00:22:18.000 Because Vahitov's very technical.

00:22:21.000 I think he won.

00:22:22.000 He won a very close decision.

00:22:24.000 It was very close.

00:22:25.000 It was one of those fights where you could call it either way.

00:22:27.000 But he won.

00:22:28.000 But he's...

00:22:29.000 Very technical.

00:22:30.000 Very interesting to watch him deal with the style of Pereira.

00:22:34.000 Because Pereira is such an unusual way of moving.

00:22:38.000 Even the way he holds his hands up, he looks different.

00:22:41.000 So do you.

00:22:42.000 You look different.

00:22:43.000 There's only a few fighters that if you saw their silhouette, I could go, oh, that's Yuri Prochaska.

00:22:47.000 I could see it right away.

00:22:48.000 I know how you move.

00:22:50.000 And Alex is that way as well.

00:22:51.000 It's a very unique way of moving.

00:22:54.000 But his...

00:22:56.000 The way Vahitav handled it is a good blueprint for a lot of people to avoid the power and keep the volume on him.

00:23:05.000 What was your original style?

00:23:07.000 What was the first martial art that you learned?

00:23:09.000 Muay Thai.

00:23:10.000 Muay Thai.

00:23:11.000 Yeah, I started in my high school.

00:23:13.000 I started with karate because it was in a daily schedule.

00:23:19.000 What kind of karate?

00:23:21.000 Shotokan.

00:23:22.000 Shotokan and judo.

00:23:24.000 There was two.

00:23:26.000 And I felt like I need something more contact, more aggressive.

00:23:34.000 Not aggressive, but more potent.

00:23:38.000 So I started with Muay Thai.

00:23:40.000 The most potent.

00:23:42.000 Muay Thai is fascinating to me.

00:23:44.000 This one island figured out how to fight better than anybody on the feet.

00:23:49.000 That's right.

00:23:50.000 And a lot of it, they did it through gambling.

00:23:52.000 Yeah.

00:23:52.000 That's a lot of it.

00:23:53.000 That's right.

00:23:53.000 Because they're so into gambling that they had so many fights and then people just fought a lot and then they're like, what works best?

00:23:59.000 And then they figured it out.

00:24:00.000 Yeah.

00:24:00.000 And right now, after watching Ong Bak, I'm just still realizing what is the best style, what is the best movements, best deadly techniques, what to do.

00:24:20.000 And right now, after I watch the long back, I see the Muay Boran, like my next chapter to what I want to see real, like in Thailand, to see really how to use that and how to...

00:24:37.000 Because I'm the man who's like taking the piece here, taking the piece here and making...

00:24:44.000 Combining it all together.

00:24:47.000 So, have you trained in Thailand?

00:24:50.000 Thailand, yeah.

00:24:51.000 In Thailand?

00:24:51.000 Yeah, just a little bit for like three weeks there before the title fight with Teixeira.

00:25:00.000 Then I was there for a camp.

00:25:03.000 Yeah, Phuket, yeah.

00:25:05.000 One of the greatest knockouts that you had was that Dominic Reyes spinning elbow, which is beautiful Muay Thai.

00:25:13.000 Flow.

00:25:14.000 Oh, beautiful flow.

00:25:15.000 It's like you just timed that out.

00:25:17.000 That was a real coming out party for you, that fight.

00:25:20.000 Because that was when people were like, my God, like this guy.

00:25:24.000 Yeah, always find a way.

00:25:25.000 Yeah.

00:25:27.000 When you first started fighting in MMA, was this something...

00:25:32.000 First of all, how old were you when you had your first fight?

00:25:34.000 Oh, when I was...

00:25:37.000 First fight in my 18, 19. And were you looking at it as a career?

00:25:44.000 Yeah.

00:25:44.000 Yeah, right from the beginning.

00:25:46.000 Were you looking at it to do, that was what you wanted to do professionally?

00:25:49.000 Yeah.

00:25:50.000 Yeah, right away?

00:25:51.000 Right away, yeah, from my 20, 20, around my 20, yeah.

00:25:55.000 You knew you wanted to be a championship fighter.

00:25:57.000 Yes, yes, because that was something what I was too inspired by, because I was a young guy who tried to...

00:26:10.000 To challenge everything around himself, everything, every man, every situation, everywhere.

00:26:18.000 I am better than this.

00:26:20.000 I am better than this.

00:26:23.000 Not the school.

00:26:25.000 Just not in the school.

00:26:28.000 But I like the fighting.

00:26:30.000 I fall in love with the fighting, with looking for, finding my biggest strength.

00:26:39.000 And that's why I'm going every time to the nature, to sleeping in the mountains.

00:26:50.000 That's why I'm living in the cottage, to be in contact with the nature, to feel the present moment and the rare natural power of the water, fire, of all these things, of the sun.

00:27:04.000 Yeah.

00:27:06.000 Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.

00:27:08.000 Like, when did you start this training in nature?

00:27:10.000 Because when you look at your setup that you have at your place and everything's outside, you know, you put pads over trees and you punch and kick trees.

00:27:20.000 Sometimes it looks weird, but, you know, wow, I don't like to...

00:27:29.000 I don't like...

00:27:31.000 Right now I realize I need to.

00:27:34.000 Right now I want to overcome the people, the men, the sparring partners in the training.

00:27:40.000 But in my personal way, I was inspired by...

00:27:47.000 Once I was inspired by Masutatsu Oyama.

00:27:52.000 He was the founder of Kyokushin Kai Karate.

00:27:55.000 And I saw his movie and how he spent...

00:28:00.000 More than one year one and a half year in the mountains and he trained just in the mountains under the waterfall in the winter in the winter and He made from himself a really Really something like unshakable mind Self-confidence so deep because he he found a way how to overcome How

00:28:30.000 to rule his body, how to...

00:28:34.000 He's describing that in his book like the mind without the thinking, like without the thoughts, pure mind, pure focus, pure consciousness right here, right now.

00:28:51.000 And I took that like my own way.

00:28:59.000 And I think it was year 2014, 2015. And I took everything in myself.

00:29:05.000 I took a tent.

00:29:08.000 And I went to the mountains.

00:29:14.000 And I slept there for just for like one week, two weeks.

00:29:20.000 One and a half week, yeah.

00:29:23.000 And I... I was inspired too much, so I did the same thing.

00:29:27.000 I ran there and I punched to the rock.

00:29:33.000 And I just want to fight with the environment, with the nature around me.

00:29:42.000 And in the end, you can realize there is no fighting.

00:29:48.000 There is nothing.

00:29:50.000 This is the pure life.

00:29:53.000 This is the pure life because the life has the one reason to overcome everything around and...

00:30:00.000 Survive.

00:30:01.000 Survive, survive, survive.

00:30:03.000 And this is the nature of what is in us.

00:30:07.000 So this is...

00:30:08.000 And as deeper you can go in this uncomfortable environment and all these things, that deep you can understand the life Be a philosopher about that.

00:30:27.000 Understand more deeply.

00:30:30.000 I don't know what to say.

00:30:32.000 No, you're saying it right.

00:30:33.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:30:34.000 So that's why.

00:30:35.000 So I was inspired by Masutatsu Oyama.

00:30:38.000 And that's why I decided after the second fight with Alex, I need to go to Japan.

00:30:47.000 To Japan, to the places, to make a black belt from Kyokushinkai Karate. 0.94

00:30:52.000 And really feel all these things like a realist.

00:30:59.000 Not just think about how it can be, how this style can be, but to live that.

00:31:06.000 That's it.

00:31:07.000 Because I like to take an inspiration and take it and go there.

00:31:14.000 Fight that.

00:31:16.000 Fight that guy. 0.97

00:31:18.000 Live that experience.

00:31:21.000 Yeah, this is it.

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00:32:40.000 Well, you're obviously very physically talented, but I think one of the things that does separate you from other fighters is this mindset that you've cultivated and that you embrace.

00:32:50.000 And I think...

00:32:51.000 It's the only way.

00:32:52.000 It's also something fascinating about the fact that you do do it outside.

00:32:56.000 I think that scares people.

00:32:59.000 I think there's something about the fact that you like to be fighting in nature and punching trees.

00:33:04.000 Because I'm coming from a...

00:33:08.000 From one village, where there were a lot of good guys.

00:33:13.000 But everybody, we are still really crazy.

00:33:19.000 When we are celebrating, it's all the time about...

00:33:23.000 Right now, we are trying to slow down to show others that we are adults.

00:33:29.000 We know we are the man.

00:33:30.000 But still, it's about showing the strength.

00:33:34.000 What to...

00:33:36.000 What to destroy, how to punch other guy, how to show the strength above others.

00:33:48.000 And when there was, when there started, okay, like I said, when on these parties started the level of like, it was really dangerous, a fire and...

00:34:04.000 Firearms and the cars and the fire and it was not safe.

00:34:12.000 Then I said, guys, okay, we are a man.

00:34:16.000 Let's be mature.

00:34:18.000 Let's, yeah, please.

00:34:19.000 Yeah, take it down a notch.

00:34:21.000 Because somebody could die.

00:34:23.000 Yeah, that's something what you have to realize.

00:34:26.000 And this essence of looking for a strength.

00:34:33.000 This something.

00:34:36.000 This true madness.

00:34:38.000 Like when I see this picture.

00:34:45.000 Of that.

00:34:47.000 And it remembered me that when I saw that when I came here.

00:34:51.000 The JRE logo.

00:34:52.000 Yeah, the logo.

00:34:53.000 And when I saw it, it remembered me like, yes, go through, going through all the time.

00:35:01.000 Choose the...

00:35:02.000 Choose the hardest way and go through overcome whatever and show you are the you are the boss yeah and and this is this is it this is why i'm i came from that place where we are trying to to show each other this one and i trying to carry that energy and put it In the calm

00:35:33.000 way, to show it in the cage.

00:35:38.000 And that's why the Samurai Ideas, the Bushido Codex, helping me in that to show it.

00:35:45.000 That's all.

00:35:46.000 I understand.

00:35:47.000 And then you feel that in training in nature and then experiencing the wild and getting it out there, it becomes even more pure because you recognize that all around you is survival.

00:36:01.000 That's right.

00:36:03.000 Thank you.

00:36:04.000 You are on the wave now.

00:36:07.000 We're on the same wave, yeah.

00:36:09.000 So what year did you start doing this training in the wild?

00:36:12.000 Like I said, in 2014. I was inspired by Masutatsu Oyama.

00:36:21.000 Then I realized it's not about opponents, man, it's about just your body, just about rule your body, how much you can rule your body, rule your mind, rule your emotions, logical state of thinking, to find the way how to not overcome,

00:36:45.000 how to rule your breath, because this is the This is it.

00:36:51.000 This is the way.

00:36:54.000 Because this is the most primal thing of the body.

00:36:58.000 When the child is born, first is breath.

00:37:02.000 Everything is like...

00:37:04.000 You can settle by the breath in the body.

00:37:12.000 Not just by thoughts.

00:37:15.000 The thinking and thoughts is...

00:37:20.000 Like a great serve, but a bad boss.

00:37:28.000 So it serves you well, but you can't let it control you.

00:37:31.000 Yes.

00:37:31.000 So there's many levels what you have to rule in your body, what you have to understand and put it in one way in the present moment.

00:37:50.000 Yeah.

00:37:51.000 So you had your first fights when you were around 18, 19?

00:37:55.000 Yep.

00:37:56.000 And then how long, when did you decide that you were ready for the UFC and how did you make that decision?

00:38:02.000 Because I do know that you were offered fights before.

00:38:05.000 Yep.

00:38:05.000 But you said, I want more development time.

00:38:07.000 That was somewhere in the center of, between my sixth, seventh fight in Rising.

00:38:16.000 So around the year to...

00:38:19.000 to 17 to 18 yeah something like that and uh yeah I realized that man there is a there is a way in the rising yet yeah so I need I need to no I need to I want to take a title here I want to prove that I'm the how to say like the the king of Japan like yeah to to rule rule these guys Yeah,

00:39:01.000 I think that happens too often.

00:39:03.000 That's why I can't fight for a title in three fights.

00:39:12.000 In that boxing, they look at fighters, managers look at fighters as an investment.

00:39:18.000 So if you're a manager and you have like Floyd Mayweather, you don't give Floyd Mayweather the...

00:39:24.000 The best fight you can get him right away with the toughest guy.

00:39:27.000 You want to see how he performs with a guy who's an inside puncher, a body puncher who's a brawler.

00:39:34.000 You want to see how he handles a slick guy like Emmanuel Augustus with unorthodox movement.

00:39:40.000 How does he handle Diego Corrales?

00:39:42.000 Long, tall reach.

00:39:43.000 And you build them.

00:39:45.000 With fighters that you think you've got to know when they're ready.

00:39:49.000 And then there's an objective assessment.

00:39:52.000 Okay, he's ready.

00:39:54.000 Then you start moving him into top ten contenders.

00:39:56.000 Then you move him to a title shot.

00:39:58.000 The UFC throws you right to the wolves.

00:40:01.000 It's good to have this objective view.

00:40:06.000 I like to be...

00:40:09.000 I'm just a watcher of my progress, of the situation.

00:40:14.000 Think about that, how to plan it, how to see that not personally, just to see yourself as another person and put it in myself in a way where it will be the best for these targets.

00:40:34.000 And then go in and do that.

00:40:37.000 Yeah.

00:40:38.000 And you had a very quick rise in the UFC to a title fight.

00:40:45.000 Was Volkan Ozdemir your first fight?

00:40:47.000 Yeah.

00:40:48.000 So you beat Volkan Ozdemir, then Dominic Reyes was the second fight?

00:40:51.000 Yes.

00:40:51.000 And then, bam, title shot.

00:40:53.000 Crazy.

00:40:54.000 So that's the reason to be so prepared.

00:40:57.000 Yes.

00:40:57.000 Because if you're successful, things go very quickly.

00:41:00.000 That's right.

00:41:01.000 You have to be ready.

00:41:02.000 When you look at your first fight with Volkan Ozdemir, and then you look at your fight with Jamal Hill, do you see significant improvement?

00:41:09.000 With who?

00:41:09.000 The first one?

00:41:10.000 When you look at your first fight in the UFC, when you fought Volkan Ozdemir, and now you look at yourself now, in the most spectacular performance against Jamal Hill, do you see the improvement?

00:41:20.000 Right now I can say yes.

00:41:21.000 Yeah.

00:41:22.000 Yeah, because there was a...

00:41:25.000 With Volkan Ozdemir, there was just a pure raw power.

00:41:29.000 Raw...

00:41:30.000 Aggression.

00:41:31.000 Aggression, but not so...

00:41:34.000 Refined.

00:41:37.000 You can see that in the fight, man.

00:41:40.000 There was just a pure...

00:41:43.000 Chaos.

00:41:45.000 Pure chaos, man.

00:41:46.000 I was too much.

00:41:49.000 Sometimes it's the self-confident.

00:41:51.000 When you are too much self-confident, it's a bad thing.

00:41:56.000 Because...

00:41:57.000 Ego will took you to another line and it will destroy you.

00:42:03.000 It will burn you.

00:42:05.000 So you have to keep that burn, that fire under control and to give these attacks, these aggressiveness in just a small...

00:42:26.000 To keep it under control.

00:42:27.000 I like what you just said, that ego will take you to another line.

00:42:32.000 Man, it's good to have it.

00:42:37.000 We can't live without in this world with cooperations, with collaborations, talking, relationships.

00:42:47.000 You can't live without.

00:42:48.000 But also you have to cultivate that.

00:42:51.000 So there are two worlds without in life.

00:42:56.000 So you have to go in.

00:42:58.000 Yeah, they have to be working together.

00:43:00.000 The mind and the ego have to be working together.

00:43:02.000 And the no mind.

00:43:04.000 The Zen.

00:43:05.000 That's right.

00:43:05.000 The stink, the flow.

00:43:07.000 Yeah, and the ego will take you out of the flow. 0.89

00:43:09.000 The ego will be like, I'm going to go fuck him up, and then boom, you get hit.

00:43:13.000 That's right.

00:43:14.000 I like what you said, though, about it takes you out of the line, because it takes you into a different line.

00:43:18.000 It takes you in a different line of fighting, and then...

00:43:21.000 Sometimes in that line, you'll realize you're out of place.

00:43:25.000 You realize you're leaving openings that shouldn't be there, and you're trying to force.

00:43:31.000 Yeah, good force.

00:43:32.000 Force and power.

00:43:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:35.000 And good when you realize that.

00:43:39.000 It's bad when you don't realize.

00:43:41.000 And sometimes it's good when you have the people around you to...

00:43:44.000 To, man, bring you back.

00:43:46.000 That's why I'm sometimes really glad for my team, my people around me, to keep me back.

00:43:53.000 That's what's amazing about having a coach who knows you.

00:43:56.000 Having trainers who know you.

00:43:58.000 They know where you're at.

00:44:00.000 Like, calm down, calm down.

00:44:01.000 Everything's great, but you're hitting the gas too much.

00:44:04.000 Be a little more technical, move around more.

00:44:07.000 Yeah, but not too much.

00:44:09.000 Not too much, not too much.

00:44:10.000 That's right, because sometimes it's this wildness, the aggression to take over.

00:44:15.000 It's too necessary, but...

00:44:17.000 Well, that's what I asked you after the fight.

00:44:20.000 I said, there's something about you where you thrive.

00:44:23.000 You get better when it's chaotic.

00:44:26.000 It seems like you relish in the chaos of these wild exchanges.

00:44:31.000 Sometimes fighters like to piece people up where they're not getting hit.

00:44:36.000 Jamal Hill's really good at that.

00:44:37.000 The Glover Teixeira fight, he did a fantastic job of utilizing his game and his accuracy and reach, and he just put it on Glover.

00:44:47.000 They don't want to be in these wild exchanges.

00:44:49.000 You seem to want to be in these wild exchanges because you thrive there.

00:44:54.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:44:54.000 That's right.

00:44:55.000 And sometimes it's...

00:44:56.000 I don't know where it's keeping yourself.

00:45:02.000 And the control is going from...

00:45:04.000 Sometimes it's going from the fear to be not hit.

00:45:08.000 Sometimes it's going from to be careful for the takedowns.

00:45:12.000 But I want to be fearless in that.

00:45:17.000 To stay before the opponent and have no fear.

00:45:23.000 You can go as close as you want and try to hit me and you will not hit me because I'm here and I feel you.

00:45:32.000 I got you.

00:45:34.000 So I can't explain it and I don't want to explain it.

00:45:37.000 I want to show that in a fight.

00:45:40.000 I know what you're saying.

00:45:41.000 One of the things that we were talking about, Daniel and I were talking about when we were doing the commentary, was your head movement was so good.

00:45:49.000 It was different than before.

00:45:51.000 It was like at another level.

00:45:53.000 What specifically had you done to prepare that made your head movement so much better?

00:46:00.000 I have a long time working on that.

00:46:07.000 Before I stepped in the UF. Since my title fight, I really exactly know when I started to work especially on that because I realized that this is my game.

00:46:22.000 This is really what's me.

00:46:24.000 And it was around the title fight with King Mo Laval in Rising.

00:46:30.000 So that was a title fight in Rising.

00:46:34.000 And it's about the...

00:46:38.000 The feeling, the opponent.

00:46:40.000 To feel the opponent, but not be...

00:46:43.000 But to not be...

00:46:46.000 How to say...

00:46:49.000 To not let this feeling to...

00:46:53.000 To push you in some way.

00:46:58.000 You know, understand?

00:46:59.000 To feel the space, but still be calm, be unshakable, and...

00:47:11.000 Then you can feel the space around you, everything.

00:47:16.000 And whatever will move right now, you will react for that.

00:47:19.000 And naturally, because you will feel all these things like yourself, like everything is you.

00:47:32.000 And then you can step to the level I'm everywhere.

00:47:37.000 Because there is no difference between me, this thing, this thing, the opponent, but still.

00:47:45.000 And that's sometimes why I need to be a little bit hit to feel the aggression back to the fight.

00:47:53.000 That was before the UFC. And I was needed to get hit because I need to...

00:48:01.000 Because I felt him, felt the...

00:48:04.000 I felt the movement, felt the right movement, everything was right.

00:48:08.000 But I also needed to be more aggressive, wanted to go through the opponent.

00:48:17.000 Because I was too, how to say, too nice for them.

00:48:22.000 To just show them I can slip and I can move everything.

00:48:27.000 You can't hit me, but this is not the fight.

00:48:31.000 The fight is the answer.

00:48:33.000 Catch him in the right moment.

00:48:36.000 So yes, to be here and now, to be, like I said, to be everything, but still to not be pushed by this feeling like to be so nice, not too much aggressive, but something in the middle, still control that.

00:48:58.000 It's all about control.

00:48:59.000 Balance.

00:49:00.000 I like what you said.

00:49:02.000 That there's no difference between you and your opponent.

00:49:05.000 You're just in this flow of movement and life.

00:49:11.000 And this thing you're choosing to do, there's no difference between you and them.

00:49:15.000 You don't even exist.

00:49:17.000 You're just a part of it all.

00:49:19.000 Yes, and the bad for fighting is when you really realize we are doing this, we are doing...

00:49:29.000 We are fighting each other and right now I'm going to hurt other person and you don't see really the difference between you and him so you know you are doing to yourself but this is the game what we chose and we are here to have a fun so not just have a fun to To live this experience.

00:50:01.000 To live this experience.

00:50:02.000 And an extreme experience that will teach you about yourself like no other experience.

00:50:08.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:50:09.000 If you want to learn about yourself, go fight.

00:50:12.000 Yeah.

00:50:12.000 You'll really find out.

00:50:13.000 You can bullshit yourself all you want, but until you fight.

00:50:16.000 That's right.

00:50:17.000 And when you go through a loss, like the loss is to Pereira, what is your process like of evaluating?

00:50:26.000 What went wrong and how to change things?

00:50:31.000 What's wrong?

00:50:32.000 Yeah.

00:50:33.000 What's your process?

00:50:35.000 What do you do when you lose a fight and then you come back?

00:50:39.000 What is your thought process?

00:50:40.000 What do you say?

00:50:41.000 I have to learn.

00:50:42.000 I have to figure out what went wrong.

00:50:44.000 Let me...

00:50:45.000 After the second fight, the first time in my life I realized that, man...

00:50:57.000 That was really like...

00:50:59.000 I will not say what was that, how hard it was, because I don't like it.

00:51:06.000 But it was something that I didn't experience yet.

00:51:11.000 Not till now.

00:51:15.000 So that time I really realized how powerful the meditation and the true self-talking...

00:51:30.000 How does true meditation look like?

00:51:33.000 Because I have no other chance than to stop doing bullshit, stop doing just pure inspirational training in the garden, stop doing all these things.

00:51:55.000 And start doing just things that really matter, what have a real effect, how you can feel, how you want to be.

00:52:13.000 The power of true self-talking, the power of true overcoming the mistakes in the life.

00:52:24.000 And be the boss of your mind because sometimes it's...

00:52:28.000 Sometimes it's...

00:52:31.000 Yeah.

00:52:32.000 It was the next level.

00:52:35.000 Very difficult to recover from a loss like that.

00:52:38.000 But you...

00:52:39.000 Yeah, because especially when you lost, like...

00:52:42.000 That was bad.

00:52:45.000 Yeah.

00:52:46.000 For me, like...

00:52:49.000 How to say it?

00:52:52.000 Like...

00:52:52.000 Like a man who likes the honor and all these codes, like from Bushido Moral Code, like that was something that was for me really bad.

00:53:08.000 He gotcha.

00:53:10.000 That's how it goes.

00:53:11.000 Man, you can say it like that, but I really work on every...

00:53:20.000 Every move, every thought, every catching, every move in the fighting, and now this happened, that was not me.

00:53:31.000 That was really...

00:53:33.000 It was me, but, man, you show yourself your worst, your worst to the world, man.

00:53:42.000 But then you came after that and showed your best.

00:53:46.000 So this is the thing about overcoming a loss like that, is that I'm sure it was awful, but because of it, the pain that you felt from it caused you to rise to another level.

00:53:57.000 That's what is life about, yeah.

00:54:00.000 You need the challenge.

00:54:02.000 You need the Tong Po, you know? 1.00

00:54:05.000 Yeah, no, no, that's right.

00:54:11.000 And how I see this world, and this is what I wanted to speak with you.

00:54:18.000 What is here right now?

00:54:20.000 The true challenges in this world, in this age, like in a human's life.

00:54:31.000 What is there?

00:54:33.000 Because how I see that, like there is not too much thing what we...

00:54:39.000 Not too much.

00:54:41.000 There is a lot.

00:54:42.000 But still, we can go right now.

00:54:45.000 We have to go to another level.

00:54:47.000 Because there is too much of the comfort life of the people.

00:54:55.000 Because like that, you can have the food.

00:54:58.000 Like that, you can have a drink, a massage, everything.

00:55:05.000 So there is no...

00:55:08.000 No price, like I see in the young people, what they want to pay to really achieve something.

00:55:19.000 They just want things handed to them.

00:55:22.000 This is an entitlement error because things are very easy.

00:55:26.000 And when things are easy, it's very difficult to develop character.

00:55:29.000 That's why for young people, I always tell them you should choose to do something hard.

00:55:34.000 Choose to do something hard for your human development, for you as a human being.

00:55:38.000 Because if you just live your life in comfort, you will have a terrible life.

00:55:42.000 Yeah, I think.

00:55:44.000 And only one reason, only one thing what I realized, like, maybe the one thing, the step up will be like, take us two steps back and understand the true life.

00:55:59.000 I think so.

00:56:00.000 I think we'll realize that the people that live this way are living disastrous lives and people will learn from that mistake because this level of comfort that most people have is very new historically.

00:56:13.000 It's very new in human history.

00:56:15.000 There's never really been a time where the poor people were fat.

00:56:19.000 That's right.

00:56:20.000 This is a weird time.

00:56:21.000 That's right, yeah.

00:56:22.000 The poorest amongst us have no worries about...

00:56:25.000 About starving to death.

00:56:27.000 They're in America. 0.64

00:56:28.000 They're fat.

00:56:29.000 It's more common than not.

00:56:31.000 I think some crazy number of people in this country are obese.

00:56:35.000 What was the number?

00:56:35.000 It was like 60%?

00:56:37.000 60% of people are obese.

00:56:40.000 Something crazy like that.

00:56:41.000 Which is just nuts.

00:56:43.000 And it's too easy.

00:56:45.000 It's too easy to exist.

00:56:47.000 And I don't mean it's too easy like you don't have to work and I'm sure everybody has to work and your work sucks and it's hard and you gotta get up every day.

00:56:52.000 But physically.

00:56:53.000 You have to do something to test your will and your discipline.

00:56:57.000 And if you don't, you're going to have a shitty life.

00:57:00.000 That's right.

00:57:01.000 And you won't be able to control yourself in situations that require you to stay calm.

00:57:07.000 I think right now it's up to, like it was in every culture, up to the older people to teach the younger to real life, to tell them.

00:57:21.000 Like, simply tell them the stories.

00:57:24.000 Listen to the stories.

00:57:26.000 Live the true life, man, because we are forgetting all these things because we have the phones and this is the fake lives.

00:57:35.000 It's a fake life.

00:57:36.000 It's a fake life and it's bad for you.

00:57:38.000 It's bad for your development.

00:57:40.000 It'll hinder...

00:57:41.000 Your potential.

00:57:42.000 Like, whatever you want to do in life, if you want to be an artist, if you want to be a musician, whatever you want to be, you want to be an author, it will hinder your development if you live the comfort life.

00:57:52.000 And, okay, so this is it.

00:57:55.000 And how you see the, like, in the 10 years, in the 50 years, in the 100 years, what's the next step for the...

00:58:02.000 Not good.

00:58:05.000 Right now I'm trying to lead you in some way, but no, this is your podcast.

00:58:11.000 No, you tell me.

00:58:12.000 I'm curious about that because I'm trying to...

00:58:18.000 This is my true motivation, the human evolution, the evolution of myself, how to fight better, how to overcome the opponent better, how to show him that I am everywhere and you have no chance around me.

00:58:39.000 Please hold your head down and tell the other I'm the winner.

00:58:48.000 My ego wants this but the way to this there is but still in some humble way to show it peacefully.

00:59:03.000 Show it like...

00:59:05.000 Show violence peacefully.

00:59:09.000 Yeah.

00:59:10.000 That's it.

00:59:10.000 Yeah.

00:59:11.000 It was nice seeing you and Jamal Hill out after the fight having a drink together.

00:59:16.000 That was nice to see.

00:59:16.000 Yeah.

00:59:17.000 I bought him the, like, my original drink, what I'm drinking, the vodka, vodka, soda, lime.

00:59:25.000 And I told him, like...

00:59:30.000 We fight together.

00:59:32.000 We drink together.

00:59:33.000 Let's go for that.

00:59:37.000 Yeah, because, man, we are everybody.

00:59:40.000 We are one.

00:59:42.000 In the end, there is no enemy.

00:59:45.000 Even if you're the baddest enemy of the world, man, it was a good life.

00:59:52.000 It was a good fight.

00:59:55.000 Let's drink together.

00:59:56.000 Let's celebrate together.

00:59:58.000 That's all.

00:59:58.000 Was it cool?

00:59:59.000 Was it cool hanging out with him?

01:00:00.000 That was cool.

01:00:01.000 That's something what I like to do with my opponents, whoever won, you win, you lose, whatever.

01:00:12.000 That's great.

01:00:14.000 It's always nice to see.

01:00:15.000 That's one thing that people really do love about a great fight is afterwards when the guys hug.

01:00:20.000 Yeah, but still, still, I don't like to speak.

01:00:28.000 About opponent in some way, in some bad way, before the fight and after fight, change it.

01:00:35.000 Like, it does not exist.

01:00:37.000 And right now we are friends and everything good, man.

01:00:41.000 Please.

01:00:43.000 Let's be honest.

01:00:44.000 You talk a shit about me.

01:00:46.000 Talk a shit about me.

01:00:47.000 Okay, so you are the motherfucker, but it doesn't matter.

01:00:52.000 Let's drink together.

01:00:53.000 You are who you are.

01:00:54.000 I am who I am.

01:00:55.000 Let's drink together.

01:00:56.000 But stay Stay honest.

01:00:58.000 Right.

01:00:59.000 Keep that energy.

01:01:00.000 Man.

01:01:00.000 Yeah.

01:01:02.000 Because that's why I like to keep same word, same attitude before the fight, in the preparation and after the fight, in the fight, after the fight, all the time, like the same.

01:01:18.000 That's me.

01:01:18.000 Yeah.

01:01:19.000 And I want to show me, not me before and me after.

01:01:24.000 Right.

01:01:25.000 There's a lot of guys.

01:01:26.000 Just for the sake of promotion, they talk a lot of shit and they're just trying to stir things up and make the fight more exciting by insulting people, insulting their families.

01:01:37.000 Yeah, and it gets very ugly.

01:01:39.000 And I think the audience turns on them over that.

01:01:42.000 And one of the things that's shown with your success and your popularity and guys like Alex is that you don't even have to speak English.

01:01:51.000 Like, it doesn't matter if you kick ass.

01:01:53.000 I mean, it doesn't matter.

01:01:55.000 You could talk all the shit you want, get everything hyped up.

01:01:58.000 What really matters is how you perform inside the octagon.

01:02:02.000 When you perform inside the octagon, like Alex has, like you have, there's no need for shit-talking.

01:02:09.000 People love you, and they love you just by the style of your fighting, and you're expressing your soul inside that cage, like who you are as a man inside that cage.

01:02:20.000 You don't have to talk shit about someone's wife or all that crap.

01:02:23.000 Yeah, that's why many people around me, like my manager team, try to be more focused for a promo and all these things.

01:02:37.000 The fight will do the promo.

01:02:39.000 This is the main thing of everything.

01:02:42.000 Not selling these things, these things, these, these.

01:02:46.000 Giving the...

01:02:47.000 The main thing is the...

01:02:51.000 The fight.

01:02:53.000 The performance.

01:02:54.000 The performance.

01:02:55.000 That's what kind of drives me crazy about when championship-level fighters have to do a lot of promotion before the fight. 0.89

01:03:02.000 I'm like, man, leave that guy alone.

01:03:05.000 What's really important is how he's going to perform.

01:03:07.000 If you want to promote it, have a bunch of people like me or, you know, Daniel Cormier or Chael Sunday, have people talk about the fight.

01:03:14.000 Hype the fight up.

01:03:15.000 You don't have to bother this guy at 7 o'clock in the morning and talk to him for an hour about some fucking nonsense.

01:03:21.000 That's what I like.

01:03:21.000 Leave him alone.

01:03:22.000 Yeah, that's what I like on UFC. They are focused for performance.

01:03:26.000 That's great.

01:03:26.000 Every time.

01:03:27.000 And no talking.

01:03:28.000 Before, no one fight, other fight, no special promo before.

01:03:34.000 Afterwards, do interviews, like right now.

01:03:36.000 Afterwards, relax.

01:03:38.000 But when leading up to the fight, the most important thing is that you're 100% prepared and anything that distracts from that should be eliminated.

01:03:46.000 That's right.

01:03:48.000 And, yeah.

01:03:50.000 And many, many, many fighters are, yeah.

01:03:53.000 We are, like, focused for talking.

01:03:56.000 Sildur, there are things about shit talking that I do like.

01:04:00.000 And what I do like is that...

01:04:03.000 First of all, it gets a lot of people excited about it, which makes me happy because I want more people to watch the sport.

01:04:08.000 But also, there's a psychological aspect, especially Conor McGregor.

01:04:13.000 He's so good at talking shit that he gets people so angry.

01:04:18.000 When he fought Jose Aldo, for instance, no one had ever treated Jose Aldo any way other than with respect.

01:04:25.000 He was one of the greatest champions.

01:04:27.000 He's an elite fighter.

01:04:29.000 He defended his title multiple times, destroyed his division.

01:04:33.000 But you could tell that all that shit-talking from Conor had an effect on him emotionally.

01:04:38.000 And I think his ego...

01:04:40.000 Made him go out of line.

01:04:42.000 So he ran right at Conor and tried to hit him, and Conor stepped back and cracked him.

01:04:46.000 He was so energetic.

01:04:49.000 Now imagine if instead, if Jose Aldo fought that fight and dragged it into the fourth and fifth round and started using the leg kicks that he used on Uriah Faber and started picking him apart from be careful in the beginning, but stay inside the game plan.

01:05:06.000 Fight the best of your ability.

01:05:08.000 Don't get emotional.

01:05:10.000 That could have been a very different fight.

01:05:11.000 That's right.

01:05:12.000 But that's the weapon, the weapon of shit-talking.

01:05:14.000 Yeah.

01:05:14.000 And especially if you know how to use that.

01:05:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:17.000 He uses it better than anybody.

01:05:19.000 He gets people so mad.

01:05:21.000 That's right.

01:05:22.000 That's right.

01:05:23.000 But still, it's a big weight.

01:05:26.000 Yes.

01:05:26.000 It's a big weight what you need to handle, what you know how.

01:05:32.000 How to handle that.

01:05:34.000 Well, it's also that big weight weighs on you as well.

01:05:37.000 It doesn't just weigh on your opponent.

01:05:39.000 When you talk a lot of shit, it puts extra weight on you.

01:05:42.000 And that can get you out of line.

01:05:44.000 The additional pressure.

01:05:46.000 You might hear the audience boo when they introduce you.

01:05:49.000 You're like, oh shit, what have I done?

01:05:51.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:05:52.000 Not everybody has this big self-confidence.

01:05:59.000 To keep that.

01:06:00.000 Yeah, it's an interesting aspect, but I don't like...

01:06:04.000 If I had to choose one way or the other, I would say just fight.

01:06:07.000 There's no need to talk shit.

01:06:08.000 We should behave like martial artists.

01:06:10.000 You know, my attitude about that is a true self-confident man, a true man who overcome...

01:06:22.000 And understand his body, his mind, the opponent's mind and body and his mind don't need to...

01:06:30.000 That guy don't need to talk shit.

01:06:36.000 Doesn't matter to show that to others, to the crowd, or to fear the opponent.

01:06:46.000 Because why?

01:06:48.000 I know that and all...

01:06:51.000 I don't need to make this show to anybody because I know what will happen.

01:07:00.000 I have this self-confidence.

01:07:02.000 The thing about talking shit, though, it does make you more money because it does cause more people to pay attention.

01:07:09.000 A good example of someone who doesn't need to talk shit but talks a lot of shit and becomes successful is Gordon Ryan.

01:07:16.000 You know Gordon Ryan, the jiu-jitsu champion?

01:07:18.000 That's his belt up there?

01:07:19.000 That's his Abu Dhabi belt?

01:07:20.000 Gordon talks a lot of shit.

01:07:21.000 And he's the greatest of all time.

01:07:23.000 And he still talks a lot of shit.

01:07:25.000 That's him.

01:07:25.000 But that's also why he's so popular.

01:07:28.000 It's because people talk shit back to him and there's a lot of back and forth on social media.

01:07:33.000 The most important thing is to be him.

01:07:37.000 To be not like, to play it.

01:07:39.000 Right.

01:07:40.000 To play it.

01:07:41.000 Right, right, right.

01:07:42.000 To be true yourself.

01:07:43.000 Right.

01:07:43.000 When you are like that, okay, be a bad guy or whatever.

01:07:50.000 Just show yourself.

01:07:51.000 That's it.

01:07:52.000 Right.

01:07:52.000 Who are you for real?

01:07:54.000 Express who you are in there.

01:07:56.000 And you might not even like who you are after it.

01:07:58.000 That's right.

01:07:58.000 Yeah.

01:07:59.000 So a lot of guys, that aggression, especially after a loss, it leads them to a place where they're like, I don't even like how I behave.

01:08:06.000 I don't even like me.

01:08:07.000 Especially with the bad feelings of a loss.

01:08:10.000 So when you have all this aggression and shit talking and then a loss and a bad loss and you have this feeling of like...

01:08:16.000 I was an asshole, and I lost.

01:08:19.000 And the crowd cheered when I lost.

01:08:21.000 Like, fuck.

01:08:23.000 That's the game they play, though.

01:08:25.000 That's the game, and this is something what is for me, I can't forget for myself, because I want to show really true myself, so I can't talk shit.

01:08:40.000 Yeah, you've got to be yourself.

01:08:42.000 That's me.

01:08:43.000 Yeah, you can't, especially now.

01:08:45.000 If you try to become an asshole now, everybody would be confused.

01:08:49.000 Like, what's going on if you took a heel turn?

01:08:52.000 I am an asshole.

01:08:54.000 But so big ones, so I need to keep myself so straight.

01:09:04.000 So I can't do that because that will be...

01:09:12.000 Just, like I said, ego line.

01:09:16.000 I will show you just this one line.

01:09:18.000 No, I need to show you the center.

01:09:21.000 You need to be pure.

01:09:23.000 You need to be you with no bullshit.

01:09:25.000 And that's how you perform at your best.

01:09:27.000 So after a fight like this, there was a lot of...

01:09:30.000 I brought back to the Luke Thomas video.

01:09:33.000 He was saying, like, you could be a middleweight champion.

01:09:36.000 If you fought at 208, that's a lot lighter probably than Drekas Duplessis.

01:09:42.000 Drekas is huge.

01:09:43.000 I look at him, I was like, how does Drekas make 185?

01:09:46.000 He's so big.

01:09:48.000 Have you thought about that?

01:09:50.000 I know there was some talk about that at one point in time.

01:09:52.000 Yes, I thought about that.

01:09:55.000 But the main thing for me is, right now I see the way in light heavyweight because I'm just...

01:10:05.000 One of the strongest guys in this division.

01:10:08.000 And I still feel like there is a way in light heavyweight.

01:10:14.000 And I said to myself, like, okay, you can go to the middleweight, but first show the consistency in light heavyweight.

01:10:25.000 Take a belt, then you can, with a belt from light heavyweight, you can fight for the belt in the middleweight.

01:10:33.000 To be a double champion.

01:10:34.000 Yeah.

01:10:35.000 So, yeah.

01:10:36.000 Well, you know, it's interesting because weight cutting is, in my opinion, the worst aspect of the sport.

01:10:44.000 Josh Barnett was just talking about this.

01:10:47.000 He was on the Ariel Helwani show and he was talking about the dangers of weight cutting in reference to Armand Saroukian's having to pull out of that fight.

01:10:54.000 Armand is big.

01:10:56.000 He's big.

01:10:57.000 When I stand next to him, I cannot believe he makes 155. He's very muscular, very dense, and very lean.

01:11:04.000 And so for him to make 155, it must be an absolutely brutal weight cut.

01:11:09.000 I gotta think he weighs 180 easy.

01:11:12.000 Maybe more.

01:11:13.000 He's big.

01:11:14.000 And I think when he's out of camp, I bet he weighs closer to 200. I mean, he's fucking thick, man.

01:11:20.000 So for a guy like that...

01:11:21.000 Why do you do that?

01:11:22.000 Why they don't fight in higher weight class?

01:11:29.000 Well, the thing is, at that weight class, Islam Makachev is so fucking good. 1.00

01:11:37.000 And he's so big.

01:11:38.000 He's another one.

01:11:39.000 You stand next to him, you're like, how the fuck does this guy make 170?

01:11:42.000 And he was actually talking about his first fight with Alexander Volkanovski.

01:11:46.000 And one of the problems that he faced was that...

01:11:49.000 The fight was very early Australia time so that it could be on pay-per-view in America.

01:11:54.000 So he was getting ready at 5 a.m.

01:11:57.000 So he did not have the time to recover from the weight cut from the previous day.

01:12:01.000 Okay.

01:12:02.000 So instead of having a full 24 plus hours, so if you're weighing in at 10 o'clock in the morning now, what time did you weigh in in Los Angeles?

01:12:12.000 Eight.

01:12:12.000 Eight in the morning.

01:12:13.000 Eight in the morning.

01:12:14.000 So eight in the morning, and then you have a full 36 hours plus before you fight.

01:12:19.000 That's right.

01:12:19.000 Which is plenty of time to recover and rehydrate.

01:12:21.000 Yeah.

01:12:22.000 But he did not get that with the Volkanovski fight, and you saw it in his performance.

01:12:25.000 He didn't look as good.

01:12:26.000 Okay.

01:12:27.000 Because he's fucking big, man.

01:12:30.000 I think weight cutting should be eliminated.

01:12:32.000 I said this to Ari Emanuel when they first bought the UFC. I said, listen, man, you know what you should do?

01:12:36.000 Get rid of weight cutting.

01:12:38.000 Just stop it.

01:12:40.000 Look, if you can randomly test people for drugs, you can randomly test their weight.

01:12:44.000 Show up with a scale.

01:12:45.000 Hey, buddy, step on the scale.

01:12:47.000 You're 190 pounds.

01:12:48.000 How the fuck are you making 145?

01:12:50.000 Do something like that.

01:12:52.000 And come up with more weight classes.

01:12:55.000 There should be a weight class every 10 pounds. 0.97

01:12:57.000 This idea of these giant gaps like 185 to 205, that's a 20 pound gap.

01:13:02.000 That's huge.

01:13:03.000 That doesn't exist in boxing. 0.72

01:13:05.000 That's right.

01:13:05.000 They should have every 10 pounds.

01:13:06.000 85, 95, 205, 225, and then unlimited.

01:13:11.000 Instead of 265, let them weigh whatever the fuck they weigh.

01:13:14.000 These got giant guys out there that can't fight in the UFC because they can't make 265. Which is kind of crazy.

01:13:20.000 Bigfoot Silva, when he was at his prime, when he was saucy, he was like 300 pounds.

01:13:26.000 He was fucking huge.

01:13:27.000 I like the way they're open weights.

01:13:29.000 Yeah, open weight, not 265. Let Francis Ngana weigh whatever the fuck he weighs when he doesn't cut weight.

01:13:36.000 He probably weighs like 290. Instead of having weight cuts, just take the champions, find out what the champion weighs.

01:13:45.000 Don't get rid of the championship belts.

01:13:47.000 Find out what does Islam Makachev weigh. 1.00

01:13:49.000 Islam Makachev is a UFC champion, best pound-for-pound fighter on earth.

01:13:54.000 Find out what he weighs.

01:13:55.000 What do you weigh if you were healthy, if weight cutting didn't exist?

01:13:59.000 Would it be 185?

01:14:00.000 Okay.

01:14:01.000 190?

01:14:02.000 Whatever that is.

01:14:03.000 That's how you fight now.

01:14:05.000 And we're not going to weigh you in the day before and let you rehydrate.

01:14:08.000 That's crazy talk.

01:14:10.000 Fight people your size.

01:14:12.000 And also, the fights would be better, because too many guys get depleted horribly by these weights.

01:14:18.000 Like Max Holloway said, he would never make 145 again after he fought Ilya Toporia.

01:14:24.000 He's like, I can't do it anymore.

01:14:25.000 Because he had gone up to 55, he got thicker, and then he went back to 45. He's just drained.

01:14:30.000 He just wasn't himself.

01:14:31.000 He didn't look good.

01:14:32.000 So, I think that would be...

01:14:35.000 And I know this is not an easy thing to do.

01:14:38.000 But I do think it's just like getting steroids out of fighting.

01:14:42.000 When they brought in USADA, when USADA came in, you saw people's physiques melt.

01:14:47.000 You saw people that were doing steroids on a regular basis and gaming the system and testing negative on the day of the fight, but all throughout their camp they were using, you saw their bodies change.

01:14:58.000 They had started looking like doughy and flabby because they didn't have any testosterone anymore because they had fucked up their endocrine systems.

01:15:07.000 Allowing that they brought in USADA and USADA started randomly testing and a lot of people fell off.

01:15:13.000 Great champions fell off.

01:15:15.000 Guys like Vitor Belfort fell off.

01:15:17.000 Great fighters who when they were using were unbelievably good, but then as soon as they had to be natural.

01:15:23.000 Okay, so we realized that we're gonna have to sacrifice some fighters for that.

01:15:28.000 This is the same approach that should be made with weight cutting.

01:15:31.000 Weight cutting should not exist.

01:15:33.000 It's terrible for you.

01:15:35.000 It's unnecessary.

01:15:36.000 It's not necessary.

01:15:38.000 It's just sanctioned cheating that we've done forever.

01:15:41.000 If you're telling me that Alex Pereira, when he fought Israel Adesanya, he weighed 185 one day and 226 the next day.

01:15:52.000 That's crazy!

01:15:54.000 That's crazy.

01:15:54.000 It's crazy!

01:15:56.000 It's not a slight against Alex because Alex is willing to fight heavyweight.

01:16:00.000 He's willing to fight what he wears.

01:16:02.000 Weight cutting is something that exists.

01:16:05.000 It's sanctioned.

01:16:06.000 They allow it to happen.

01:16:07.000 They know what's going on, and it's cheating.

01:16:10.000 That's right.

01:16:10.000 They're not really 170 pounds.

01:16:13.000 That guy's 195. He's depleted and dried out, and then he's going to swell back up again, and he's going to look huge the next day.

01:16:20.000 Everything is evolving.

01:16:22.000 Yes, they should evolve that because for the safety of the fighters, for the safety of the fighters, it's not good to dehydrate your brain 24 hours before a cage fight.

01:16:32.000 That's right.

01:16:33.000 It's dumb.

01:16:34.000 But nobody's gonna listen to me.

01:16:36.000 Nobody listens to me, Yuri.

01:16:37.000 Nobody!

01:16:37.000 Maybe off to DCI. I don't think they should even have cages.

01:16:41.000 I think it should be an open floor.

01:16:43.000 I think it should be an open floor like a basketball court.

01:16:46.000 Yeah.

01:16:46.000 Because I think the cage allows you to get up when you wouldn't ordinarily be able to get up.

01:16:52.000 You could walk, wall walk.

01:16:53.000 The cage allows someone to press you up against an unnatural object.

01:16:58.000 There's a cage there.

01:16:59.000 So you could press a guy up against a cage.

01:17:01.000 Whereas if you were standing in the center, you could do Muay Thai sweeps.

01:17:05.000 You could rotate around each other.

01:17:07.000 There'd be more action.

01:17:08.000 There'd be more movement.

01:17:09.000 That's right.

01:17:10.000 I also think if someone takes you down at the beginning of the first round, at the end of the round, you're on your back, you start.

01:17:15.000 Start that second round in the same position.

01:17:18.000 Yeah, you see that like, yeah, I have the similar rift of the fighting.

01:17:24.000 First, I thought like, why there is a ruse?

01:17:29.000 Why there is a...

01:17:31.000 Eye gouging.

01:17:32.000 Eye pokes is not allowed.

01:17:35.000 So I'm glad after this last fight, it's not allowed.

01:17:39.000 It shouldn't be allowed, but it's very effective.

01:17:42.000 Man, yeah, but...

01:17:44.000 Show all your weapon of your body how you can defeat this man.

01:17:51.000 That's all.

01:17:52.000 One against one.

01:17:53.000 That's all.

01:17:53.000 Yes, one against one.

01:17:54.000 That's all.

01:17:55.000 And the minimal amount of rules possible.

01:17:57.000 You know another thing that I think they should do?

01:17:59.000 And I'm going to talk to Dana about this this week.

01:18:01.000 Cover the fingers.

01:18:03.000 There's no reason to have these fingers exposed.

01:18:05.000 It doesn't help anything.

01:18:06.000 It doesn't help grappling.

01:18:07.000 You never grapple like this, right?

01:18:09.000 You never use the fingers.

01:18:11.000 No, no, no.

01:18:12.000 Nobody does.

01:18:12.000 You do this, or you do this, or you do different things with your hands, but your fingers are always closed.

01:18:18.000 But still the feeling.

01:18:19.000 Still the feeling.

01:18:20.000 I understand.

01:18:21.000 But the problem is the pokes.

01:18:22.000 Because everybody does this.

01:18:23.000 Because you're used to sparring with gloves on.

01:18:25.000 So allow the eye pokes.

01:18:29.000 Man, everybody, you know what will happen?

01:18:32.000 Everybody will be more prepared for every possible attack for an eye because eye is the weapon too.

01:18:45.000 I can speak about that because I'm using that like I see.

01:18:53.000 I know what you're saying.

01:18:54.000 Maybe it's weird, yeah.

01:18:56.000 The problem is you don't want people to go blind.

01:18:58.000 Like Michael Bisping can't see out of his right eye.

01:19:01.000 I feel like for the sake of the athlete's future...

01:19:05.000 Everybody will took every fucking...

01:19:08.000 Sorry.

01:19:09.000 You can swear.

01:19:10.000 Every fight.

01:19:11.000 Every fight.

01:19:12.000 So seriously.

01:19:14.000 So preparation will be so...

01:19:16.000 And every people in the crowd will watch that with the...

01:19:21.000 Man.

01:19:22.000 In this fight there can happen something what after that fight we will not can nobody can change right right so we will like the fighters we will speak better perform better train better be prepared to die right and not like just in our mind just to die To show the best performance.

01:19:54.000 I mean that philosophically.

01:19:57.000 You have to stop thinking and be in the moment and all these things.

01:20:02.000 But that's what we are right now speaking about.

01:20:12.000 Ancient fights, like about the fight for a life.

01:20:15.000 Real fight.

01:20:16.000 Yeah, real fight.

01:20:17.000 No rules at all.

01:20:18.000 Do you think maybe get rid of cups too and allow kicks to the balls?

01:20:22.000 That's real.

01:20:23.000 It's a real target.

01:20:24.000 It's a vulnerability of the human body to ignore vulnerabilities of the human body.

01:20:29.000 It sounds weird, especially in this age of the full of loss and all these things.

01:20:35.000 Yeah.

01:20:36.000 But that's...

01:20:38.000 That's how I see that.

01:20:40.000 We are living in the age where the laws and the system is working.

01:20:47.000 So we have to put some system on the fighting too.

01:20:54.000 Eddie Bravo actually came up with an idea.

01:20:57.000 He was joking around, but he wanted to call it ultimate sack fighting, where you would allow to kick a guy in the balls and your balls would be exposed.

01:21:07.000 It's like when the balls are in play, the game changes.

01:21:09.000 And the idea was that your balls are so vulnerable, but yet you cover them like a tie cup.

01:21:15.000 And that if they didn't, if the balls were hanging out, like your chin is hanging out, that it would change everything.

01:21:21.000 He was just joking around.

01:21:22.000 It was very funny that the guy who would win would just have iron balls.

01:21:28.000 But nobody has iron balls.

01:21:30.000 I mean, the human body...

01:21:31.000 It has the eye pokes and ball shots.

01:21:34.000 Bizarre vulnerabilities.

01:21:36.000 You didn't saw the monks?

01:21:39.000 Yeah.

01:21:39.000 How were they kicking?

01:21:41.000 I don't understand that.

01:21:42.000 I think they're just hitting each other in the tank.

01:21:44.000 I think their balls are tucked up. 0.99

01:21:46.000 I think otherwise it doesn't make any sense that you could just slam your foot.

01:21:50.000 Because also the way they're doing it, the monks, they're kicking up.

01:21:53.000 They're kicking up.

01:21:54.000 So I think they're just slamming their shin, instep into the taint.

01:21:58.000 It's not really the balls.

01:21:59.000 Like if you front kick that monk in the balls, just front snap. 0.73

01:22:03.000 It would fall down dead.

01:22:09.000 Nobody has iron balls.

01:22:11.000 Nobody has iron eyeballs either, you know?

01:22:13.000 The problem with eyeballs is, yeah, these guys.

01:22:15.000 Yeah, see how he's doing that?

01:22:18.000 He's getting kicked in the taint.

01:22:21.000 I can even see the way his sack has pulled up.

01:22:24.000 See that little thing that he's got on there?

01:22:26.000 But still he's right.

01:22:27.000 Yeah.

01:22:28.000 He probably has little balls too, unfortunately.

01:22:32.000 It's stupid.

01:22:33.000 Either way, that's stupid.

01:22:35.000 If that was the only way, like if you could train that way, you know, like a lot of the Thais, they kick banana trees and kick sandbags. 1.00

01:22:43.000 You know, we have a sandbag out there.

01:22:45.000 It's so brutal to kick.

01:22:46.000 But if you do that enough, you'll develop those micro-fractures on your shins, and it'll make your shins much tougher.

01:22:51.000 You can't make your balls tougher.

01:22:52.000 You can't make your balls tougher.

01:22:55.000 Yeah, I think there is no...

01:23:00.000 This guy just punched himself in the dick.

01:23:03.000 This is so ridiculous.

01:23:06.000 This is so ridiculous.

01:23:08.000 Oh no!

01:23:10.000 Fuck, man.

01:23:11.000 Oh no, don't do it!

01:23:13.000 Oh god!

01:23:14.000 He's getting slammed in the nuts by a log.

01:23:17.000 These guys just hit each other in the balls.

01:23:19.000 But again, I think if you step to one of those guys and front snap kicked him right in the balls, I think they'd fall down.

01:23:26.000 This is stupid.

01:23:28.000 What I realized when I saw a lot of masters of these Kung Fu doing these weird stuff and all these things.

01:23:40.000 So there is a way to like about obsession of the martial arts, of doing something in your life to the deepest level.

01:23:53.000 But still, this is a fighting.

01:23:56.000 Yeah.

01:23:57.000 This is about the win.

01:23:59.000 So...

01:24:00.000 I don't know if this will help you to really defeat the...

01:24:08.000 No.

01:24:09.000 Especially this is just defense?

01:24:11.000 Yeah.

01:24:12.000 Okay, so you are prepared to defense your boss.

01:24:20.000 So, man, really, like...

01:24:23.000 Think about it in real.

01:24:26.000 Don't give it too much on this side of an art of just doing...

01:24:34.000 It's good to know one thing.

01:24:38.000 One, two.

01:24:40.000 Really, really deeply so you can timing that in every situation to know how to do this movement in every situation.

01:24:52.000 These movements they're not an effective use of your time.

01:24:55.000 Yes.

01:24:56.000 Yeah, it's not gonna help you be a better fighter It's there's a lot of ancient movements that are probably good for the development of your consciousness And they're probably good overall for your ability to be a better martial artist because they teach you certain movements Which are almost like a form like kata a lot of people talk about forms and they say it's a waste of time But I think it's a moving meditation I used to think it was a waste of time when I was a young man.

01:25:21.000 When I got my black belt, I just learned the katas and then afterwards I had forgotten them.

01:25:26.000 I just learned them so that I could pass the next test and then once I knew all the forms and the katas, I didn't care anymore. 0.67

01:25:33.000 I just wanted to fight.

01:25:35.000 But all these moves are written in your body.

01:25:40.000 Maybe you don't realize that yet, but in the hardest situation, Maybe one move will jump up and bomb.

01:25:54.000 Because you've trained your system about those things.

01:25:57.000 Like the Neo in the Matrix.

01:25:58.000 I know the Kung Fu.

01:26:01.000 They think they're going to be able to do that now.

01:26:04.000 I was just reading an article about that and they were comparing it to Neo and the Matrix.

01:26:08.000 They think they're going to be able to download skills into people's brains.

01:26:12.000 Man, it's...

01:26:13.000 Which sucks.

01:26:14.000 But it sucks because I want them to learn the way you learned.

01:26:18.000 I think, no, man, there is the ego, the force.

01:26:23.000 The force.

01:26:24.000 We will do that by...

01:26:26.000 I will take it and there it is.

01:26:29.000 Dimitri.

01:26:30.000 That's Dimitri.

01:26:32.000 Dimitri, hey.

01:26:33.000 And instead of like to take a, find a real snake and whatever, I cannot describe on the snake.

01:26:45.000 I know what you're saying.

01:26:47.000 Train those movements.

01:26:48.000 So when the punch comes, you block, you counter.

01:26:50.000 And then that it's in your mind.

01:26:55.000 You will take some information.

01:26:57.000 And by the force, you will give it in yourself to, I don't know, which form you meant.

01:27:06.000 Like the matrix we spoke.

01:27:09.000 Let's Google that, because Jamie will find the article.

01:27:13.000 Maybe like Elon Musk had that...

01:27:16.000 Neuralink.

01:27:17.000 Yeah, Neuralink or something like that.

01:27:19.000 I don't think it was that invasive.

01:27:20.000 I think it was some other technology.

01:27:24.000 That they think they're going to be able to utilize.

01:27:26.000 Scientists use matrix-style learning to write skills into human brains, see, non-invasively.

01:27:32.000 So they don't have to inject anything, put a wire in your brain.

01:27:37.000 Techniques use real-time brain imagery and neurofeedback.

01:27:40.000 It bypasses learning processes that require effort, study, or practice.

01:27:46.000 With our method, not only can we nudge complex patterns around in the brain towards known ones, but also, for the first time, write directly a new pattern into the brain and measure what effect that has on a person's behavior, said Dr. Coraline Lorden, lead author of the study and assistant professor of brain and cognitive sciences at the University of Rochester.

01:28:07.000 That's crazy.

01:28:08.000 Okay.

01:28:09.000 And this is the one side.

01:28:12.000 The second side.

01:28:14.000 How I'm taking that is about...

01:28:20.000 Right now I have no antenna.

01:28:21.000 But it's not just about the hair.

01:28:25.000 It's about to be open, to be connected with the consciousness.

01:28:33.000 And there, I don't know how it's working, but it's working to be just connected for...

01:28:41.000 All the information, whatever happened and will happen, is there in this moment, right here, right now.

01:28:51.000 And it's just about the state, if you can be really connected for that.

01:28:59.000 Because I don't know where.

01:29:02.000 Many moves, I didn't...

01:29:05.000 Rehearse them.

01:29:06.000 I didn't train.

01:29:08.000 They just came out while you're fighting.

01:29:10.000 And they just came out.

01:29:11.000 Yes.

01:29:11.000 And in the fighting, in the fight, and I don't know where, and I didn't train spinning elbow.

01:29:19.000 Never.

01:29:19.000 Really?

01:29:20.000 Never, man.

01:29:21.000 Really?

01:29:22.000 I didn't train that.

01:29:23.000 Never.

01:29:23.000 That's crazy!

01:29:25.000 And just follow...

01:29:27.000 You just saw it.

01:29:28.000 It was just there.

01:29:29.000 I'm just following the flow, following the movement, because there is one elbow.

01:29:34.000 Okay.

01:29:35.000 You have to...

01:29:36.000 And it's going really slow.

01:29:38.000 You have a second...

01:29:40.000 Here it is.

01:29:41.000 Yeah, you have the second elbow.

01:29:43.000 We'll see it here.

01:29:43.000 Use that.

01:29:44.000 Boom, boom, bam.

01:29:46.000 And between one and second one, there was a long conversation of, you can do that.

01:29:51.000 Try to do that.

01:29:52.000 Okay, I don't believe that.

01:29:54.000 No, do that, please.

01:29:58.000 This was such a phenomenal exchange.

01:30:02.000 People love that antenna, too.

01:30:04.000 They love that crazy hair. 0.94

01:30:05.000 Are you going to bring that back?

01:30:07.000 I liked you like this.

01:30:09.000 Yeah, I... Streamlined.

01:30:10.000 The thing I'm worried about that antenna, like, that could get caught in something.

01:30:14.000 The what?

01:30:15.000 It could get caught.

01:30:16.000 Like, if you're in a submission situation, and you know how people grab shorts?

01:30:20.000 I don't think anyone should wear shorts either.

01:30:21.000 I think you should wear tights.

01:30:22.000 Maybe I can grab it, like, in some choke.

01:30:24.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:30:24.000 You could.

01:30:24.000 Yeah, you could.

01:30:26.000 You know what?

01:30:26.000 You could, and it would be legal.

01:30:28.000 Dominic Rez caught me in a guillotina.

01:30:31.000 And I was there and I said, fuck, I have the hair, big fucking hair.

01:30:36.000 I can't give the heads up.

01:30:39.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:30:40.000 That was the problem in that moment.

01:30:42.000 Yeah, I think shaved is better for you, but it looks cool.

01:30:46.000 And that's what I'm saying.

01:30:48.000 Like, it's not about...

01:30:50.000 Right now, I feel like it's not about the hair.

01:30:53.000 It's not about anything.

01:30:56.000 It's just about...

01:31:03.000 To be there.

01:31:04.000 Be here and now.

01:31:05.000 That's all.

01:31:07.000 No bullshit.

01:31:09.000 Just be in the moment.

01:31:10.000 Especially right now.

01:31:11.000 You have all this momentum on your side because of that spectacular victory.

01:31:15.000 So you must be very energized right now.

01:31:17.000 You must be really feeling like you're on the right path.

01:31:20.000 Yeah, but still.

01:31:23.000 This state and this feeling have the two sides.

01:31:29.000 So that's why I... Because I know how it is to be a champion.

01:31:34.000 How is all these feelings?

01:31:37.000 And still, how is...

01:31:40.000 What is the...

01:31:42.000 To not be the champion.

01:31:44.000 To really...

01:31:45.000 Lost like a...

01:31:47.000 Like a shit.

01:31:49.000 Fell on the ground like a shit after...

01:31:52.000 And...

01:31:54.000 So...

01:31:56.000 I realized that it's about...

01:32:01.000 To be just here right now.

01:32:02.000 To be just here right now in this moment and show true yourself.

01:32:06.000 Not playing.

01:32:09.000 You don't do stupid shit.

01:32:13.000 Don't have the war hair.

01:32:16.000 Be angry.

01:32:17.000 No.

01:32:18.000 Just be.

01:32:20.000 That's it.

01:32:20.000 Show your true self.

01:32:22.000 That's all.

01:32:23.000 And that's what I like on the States, on America.

01:32:28.000 Everywhere, like, they are okay with that, to show yourself, true yourself.

01:32:37.000 And we, in Europe, we have some special thinking about America.

01:32:44.000 Like, there is something better than everywhere.

01:32:52.000 And you, here, just...

01:32:57.000 Pushing more to everyone to just live through yourself.

01:33:04.000 And maybe I'm wrong.

01:33:06.000 No, you're right.

01:33:07.000 But...

01:33:07.000 Freedom.

01:33:08.000 This is...

01:33:08.000 Freedom.

01:33:09.000 Fuck, man.

01:33:10.000 Freedom allows you to be your best self.

01:33:13.000 Yeah.

01:33:14.000 And this is something what, man, what is for me so inspirational.

01:33:20.000 Yeah.

01:33:21.000 But still, it's a gift, a big gift, but a big...

01:33:27.000 How to say?

01:33:30.000 Big weight.

01:33:32.000 Yes.

01:33:33.000 Big responsibility.

01:33:34.000 Responsibility.

01:33:35.000 Because if you don't know how to work with the gun, it can be dangerous.

01:33:43.000 Right, right, right.

01:33:45.000 Yeah.

01:33:45.000 With great power comes great responsibility.

01:33:48.000 Yeah.

01:33:49.000 Where...

01:33:50.000 You sit right now at the top of the heap.

01:33:54.000 Like, after Ankulaev, especially after that performance, it's very likely that either you or a lot of people, forgetting about Jan Bochowicz, always like to give him his props because Jan Bochowicz is still one of the best fighters in the world.

01:34:08.000 And I would like to see him get another shot because he's also 41 or 42, I think, now.

01:34:13.000 And, you know, he doesn't have much time left in his prime.

01:34:17.000 Jan has maintained, like, even at 40 years old, still, it doesn't show any signs of deterioration.

01:34:23.000 That's right, man.

01:34:24.000 When I thought about my next opponents, there was just, like, these guys.

01:34:31.000 Ankalaev, Pereira.

01:34:33.000 The Pereira's most, but let's see how the negotiations will be.

01:34:39.000 The Pereira, Ankalaev, and maybe the Bakovic.

01:34:43.000 So these three guys I see.

01:34:45.000 Still, there I see the challenge.

01:34:50.000 Yes.

01:34:51.000 The challenge, because I want to go somewhere where I will feel I can...

01:34:57.000 Because every time, when there is a challenge, there is a new you.

01:35:02.000 There is something new, what you need to overcome, what you need to rule, what you need to observe.

01:35:13.000 Yes.

01:35:13.000 They're the elite level of the game.

01:35:15.000 Yeah.

01:35:16.000 You know, Jan Bohovic, he's one of the, I think, the only guys to go the distance with Pereira other than Bruno Silva, right?

01:35:24.000 Yeah, because he have the hands up.

01:35:28.000 Also, that guy's made out of iron.

01:35:29.000 I mean, I'll never forget the fight with Ankoliyev when he was just going shin to shin with Ankoliyev, and Ankoliyev could barely walk.

01:35:35.000 Jan Bohovic is made out of rocks, man.

01:35:38.000 Man, I thought, like, he won that fight, but...

01:35:41.000 Very close.

01:35:42.000 Very close fight, but you could definitely see...

01:35:44.000 Giving it to Jan Bojovic.

01:35:46.000 There's a lot of those fights.

01:35:48.000 Here's another thing that I think should happen in the UFC. I think we need more than three judges.

01:35:52.000 I don't even think that the judges, some judges are very good.

01:35:55.000 I think the judging in California was very good.

01:35:57.000 I think overall, I think we need at least five judges.

01:36:02.000 I think three is too little.

01:36:04.000 I think we need, because there's too many times where two judges get it wrong, and the crowd is like, what the fuck?

01:36:09.000 I think if you had five judges, then you have two judges that would counterbalance that other, and there'd be three-two in the right direction, and you'd get a good result.

01:36:18.000 I think you're more likely to get a good result, an accurate result of what the fans and the experts see about the result of a fight, than you would if there was only three judges.

01:36:28.000 Or fighting to win.

01:36:29.000 Yeah, fighting to win.

01:36:31.000 Well, that's the, I mean, what Gordon likes to do.

01:36:33.000 Gordon Ryan likes to do is no time limit fights.

01:36:38.000 He does no time limit fights with no points.

01:36:41.000 We're going to submission.

01:36:43.000 This is what this game is about.

01:36:44.000 It's a bit me strangling you.

01:36:45.000 That's right.

01:36:45.000 Yeah.

01:36:47.000 Imagine that if they started doing the UFC like the old UFC. Like UFC 1, no rules.

01:36:52.000 Maybe for somebody it will be a little bit...

01:36:54.000 They will not like it because maybe sometimes it will be long.

01:36:59.000 Maybe.

01:37:00.000 So what?

01:37:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:02.000 That's fighting.

01:37:03.000 Yeah, that's fighting.

01:37:04.000 People watch baseball.

01:37:05.000 Yeah.

01:37:06.000 No offense against baseball, but that shit's boring as fuck compared to fighting.

01:37:10.000 You know what's my theory about that?

01:37:12.000 So there is sports, a lot of sports, but the first one, first sport, first...

01:37:19.000 First version of sports?

01:37:24.000 First version of...

01:37:26.000 A version of sport was like one man wants to overcome the second man.

01:37:31.000 Yes.

01:37:31.000 And it came from...

01:37:34.000 DNA. From DNA, from fight.

01:37:38.000 From fight for this piece of...

01:37:41.000 From being caveman.

01:37:42.000 From food.

01:37:42.000 From eat, from food.

01:37:44.000 Fighting predators.

01:37:45.000 This is it.

01:37:46.000 That's why it came from.

01:37:48.000 And in the time, there was like, let's...

01:37:53.000 Let's do another competition.

01:37:55.000 Another competition.

01:37:57.000 To not be...

01:37:59.000 So violent.

01:38:00.000 So violent.

01:38:01.000 But to be honest, the realest one competition is the one man against the second man.

01:38:10.000 That's why that sport translates through all languages.

01:38:13.000 It's the only sport that translates...

01:38:15.000 Like cricket.

01:38:16.000 Cricket is huge in other parts of the world.

01:38:19.000 Nobody watches cricket in America.

01:38:21.000 In other parts of the world, billions of people watch cricket.

01:38:23.000 Nobody gives a fuck about cricket here.

01:38:25.000 Put cricket on TV, no one's gonna watch.

01:38:28.000 And we, in a time, we gave some rules, the kimonos, all these things.

01:38:34.000 No, let's...

01:38:36.000 Well, that was the beauty of the first UFC. The first UFC was just wild.

01:38:41.000 No weight classes, no...

01:38:43.000 No real rules other than eye pokes.

01:38:47.000 Joe Son was fighting Keith Hackney, and Keith Hackney was caught in a guillotine, and he's just punching Joe Son in the balls.

01:38:58.000 It's a famous scene.

01:39:00.000 Do you remember that?

01:39:01.000 I remember watching that going, oh, this is awful.

01:39:06.000 This is awful.

01:39:08.000 There's another one in Brazil.

01:39:10.000 Big Daddy Goodrich was fighting this guy named the Pedro.

01:39:14.000 Look at this.

01:39:15.000 Just pure nut shots.

01:39:17.000 Just one after the other, right to the balls.

01:39:20.000 This was horrible to watch.

01:39:21.000 Show me the monk training.

01:39:23.000 But here's the thing.

01:39:24.000 If he's wearing a cup...

01:39:25.000 Especially if he's wearing a tie cup, a steel cup, which I also think should be illegal.

01:39:30.000 I don't think you should have steel cups because steel cups act as a leverage point as well.

01:39:34.000 Not only that, you could break your foot on it.

01:39:36.000 It's an unnatural object.

01:39:38.000 And then if you get someone in an arm bar with a steel cup, you could break it.

01:39:42.000 It's an extra leverage point.

01:39:45.000 It's like bending a stick over a rock.

01:39:47.000 Use it like a weapon.

01:39:48.000 Yeah.

01:39:49.000 Kenny Florian used to always fight with a tie steel cup.

01:39:51.000 He's like, I don't know why anybody would fight with anything else because it hurts them when they kick me.

01:39:55.000 Yeah, and it really is like a good leverage point.

01:39:57.000 It's also good for the mount.

01:39:59.000 If somebody mounts you, there was a guy that I used to train with, Amir Renovardi, and he used to get on top of you and mount you and drive his cup, drive his dick in your solar plexus, and you'd want to tap.

01:40:10.000 It was horrible.

01:40:11.000 But it was smart.

01:40:13.000 I mean, if it's legal, it's a smart thing.

01:40:16.000 Find a way between the laws.

01:40:18.000 Imagine if nobody had cups, if cups were illegal.

01:40:21.000 There'd be so much more nut shots.

01:40:23.000 You know?

01:40:24.000 Maybe somebody will find a way how to jump with these couple to do a face. 1.00

01:40:28.000 Like those guys?

01:40:30.000 I don't think so.

01:40:31.000 I don't think that's real.

01:40:32.000 I don't think that would work.

01:40:34.000 But other than that, you know, the rules, they're pretty good.

01:40:38.000 They're getting a little bit better.

01:40:39.000 I'd like knees on the ground as well.

01:40:40.000 Knees to the head. 0.98

01:40:41.000 I don't think a pro should be allowed to be in a turtle when your head is vulnerable.

01:40:45.000 You have to move.

01:40:46.000 You have to avoid those knees.

01:40:48.000 Like before my last fight right now.

01:40:52.000 The referee, sorry, I didn't, with the big mustache.

01:40:57.000 Oh, Mike Beltran.

01:40:58.000 Mike Beltran, yes.

01:40:59.000 Sorry, Mike Beltran.

01:41:01.000 Because he's a good guy.

01:41:02.000 And he tried to tell me, like, how to, when, because I didn't know that.

01:41:12.000 The change of the rules?

01:41:13.000 The change of the rules.

01:41:14.000 Yes.

01:41:14.000 Like, when the hand's down.

01:41:15.000 Right.

01:41:16.000 When it's not the elbow, when the hand's down.

01:41:20.000 You're staying and the legs and hands down, you can knee the opponent to the head.

01:41:25.000 Yes.

01:41:25.000 Still.

01:41:25.000 So, man, that's...

01:41:27.000 That's better.

01:41:28.000 That's better.

01:41:28.000 Much better.

01:41:29.000 Much better.

01:41:29.000 Because guys were gaming the system.

01:41:31.000 They put a hand down so they couldn't get knee in the face.

01:41:33.000 That's crazy.

01:41:34.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:41:35.000 You should not be doing that.

01:41:36.000 Yeah, that's a good rule that they changed.

01:41:39.000 Another rule is the 12-6 elbow.

01:41:40.000 That should be legal, too.

01:41:41.000 And now that's legal again.

01:41:42.000 That's the only reason for Jon Jones ever having a loss.

01:41:46.000 You know, so there's...

01:41:48.000 There's good movement on the rules.

01:41:49.000 Ryzen allowed knees to the head to a grounded opponent and kicking.

01:41:54.000 Did you get accustomed to that and have to, like, get that out of your system when you came to the UFC? Was there any moments where you thought about throwing a soccer kick?

01:42:01.000 No, no, I didn't thought about that, but when you are still in the control, in the fighting, what's, I think, the biggest...

01:42:12.000 Biggest thing of the fighter in the fighting to stay in, in the control.

01:42:17.000 So you know what to do, what can't to do.

01:42:21.000 But there's moments when you don't control yourself too much.

01:42:27.000 So it's dangerous.

01:42:30.000 But in racing I used that.

01:42:31.000 I did that like I think twice.

01:42:34.000 Yeah, it's very effective.

01:42:36.000 It should be allowed.

01:42:38.000 I think it should be allowed.

01:42:39.000 I think the only problem with soccer kicks is the cage.

01:42:42.000 So the cage, if your head is right there and you get stomped, you can't move.

01:42:46.000 So it's the unnatural barrier of the cage that's the problem.

01:42:50.000 That's why I think basketball court.

01:42:52.000 Yeah, matted down basketball court.

01:42:55.000 That's good.

01:42:56.000 Just two men in the center of it.

01:42:57.000 Have a warning track where you go outside the warning track.

01:43:00.000 Too many times you lose points because you're trying to avoid the fight.

01:43:03.000 Plenty of movement.

01:43:05.000 Plenty of time to room.

01:43:06.000 And if someone gets you down.

01:43:07.000 I was just trying to imagine that.

01:43:10.000 It's better.

01:43:11.000 It's good.

01:43:12.000 It's much better.

01:43:12.000 It's better.

01:43:13.000 Because you wouldn't be able to just stall the fight out by holding someone against the cage.

01:43:17.000 Because sometimes when fighters are exhausted, they'll just clinch against the cage to try to catch their breath.

01:43:21.000 That wouldn't be...

01:43:22.000 Allowed.

01:43:23.000 You couldn't do it.

01:43:24.000 There would be no opportunity to do that.

01:43:25.000 That's right.

01:43:26.000 That's right.

01:43:26.000 Also, if you got taken down, you'd have to get up with skill.

01:43:29.000 You can't just use the cage to get up.

01:43:31.000 It's very hard, especially if you got a great wrestler like Islam on top of you. 1.00

01:43:35.000 Very hard to get up any other way than wall walking.

01:43:40.000 Just right now, I'm thinking about it.

01:43:42.000 I think about the...

01:43:44.000 What's the name of the movie?

01:43:46.000 Hunger Games.

01:43:47.000 Yeah.

01:43:47.000 Just to put somebody and somebody somewhere, and they will find each other's...

01:43:51.000 In the natural environment.

01:43:54.000 And they will fight together and everybody will watch that.

01:43:57.000 So give them weapons.

01:44:00.000 Have you seen those?

01:44:01.000 They do have people with armor on fighting sword fights now.

01:44:06.000 Crazy.

01:44:08.000 Just a matter of time before they take that armor off.

01:44:10.000 That's right.

01:44:12.000 In some crazy country.

01:44:13.000 Some wilder country.

01:44:15.000 Million dollar purse.

01:44:17.000 You fight with swords.

01:44:20.000 Then you're back to the Roman days, the Colosseum.

01:44:23.000 Yeah, but still, how I see that, when we are going higher in understanding everything, we have to go...

01:44:32.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

01:44:35.000 Deeper in these raw things.

01:44:39.000 We want to see more raw, because to be not...

01:44:46.000 You understand me?

01:44:48.000 Yes, I do because the consequences are higher.

01:44:50.000 You have to get more pure.

01:44:51.000 So, balance.

01:44:53.000 Did you ever read any Miyamoto Musashi?

01:44:56.000 You know I read.

01:44:58.000 Yeah, of course.

01:44:59.000 I don't even have to ask.

01:45:01.000 But the Book of Five Rings, he talks about that because Miyamoto Musashi was such a great sword fighter that he believed the only way to fight at your best is you have to be a balanced person.

01:45:11.000 Very balanced.

01:45:12.000 You have to be an artist.

01:45:13.000 You have to be able to do calligraphy and write poetry.

01:45:15.000 You can't just be aggression.

01:45:17.000 You have to be completely balanced.

01:45:19.000 And he believed in that so strongly and taught that so strongly in the Book of Five Rings that if you think about how he applied it to sword fighting, it makes sense.

01:45:30.000 Everything what you're saying makes sense.

01:45:31.000 Because you have to be completely pure when it's just two men and swords.

01:45:37.000 You can't have any bullshit.

01:45:39.000 You can't let the ego get you on the wrong line because you're not just going to get punched in the face.

01:45:42.000 You're going to lose your head.

01:45:43.000 That's right.

01:45:44.000 Yeah.

01:45:45.000 That's right.

01:45:45.000 There is no time.

01:45:49.000 And that's why I don't like it.

01:45:52.000 There is no time for talking.

01:45:56.000 There is no time for a bad word in your talk.

01:46:03.000 No time for a bad move in the fighting.

01:46:07.000 So, your mind has to stay controlled, stay present, and do nothing that's not useful for this moment.

01:46:25.000 Right now, we are natural here.

01:46:28.000 But when our life will...

01:46:32.000 These podcasts, these talking...

01:46:37.000 Maybe when you will not talk everything honestly, it will cost you a life.

01:46:48.000 So we will pay attention to every word.

01:46:55.000 Because in that age of Miyamoto Musashi, even the word can cost somebody's life.

01:47:04.000 Yes.

01:47:05.000 So that's why they were so precise in everything.

01:47:10.000 That's the Japan. 0.98

01:47:12.000 Every movement, even the teapot, even the tea ritual is the art.

01:47:23.000 So that's why they were so precise in the thinking.

01:47:34.000 In expressing your true self, not just talking, whatever, motherfucker, hey, how are you?

01:47:44.000 Hey, what's up?

01:47:47.000 This is something that I don't like to America.

01:47:52.000 Everybody asks you, hey, how are you?

01:47:54.000 And they don't care about your answer.

01:47:59.000 And I want to stay in.

01:48:01.000 Hey, I'm great.

01:48:03.000 How are you today?

01:48:04.000 No, he's don't care and he's going somewhere.

01:48:07.000 So why ask me, why are you doing this?

01:48:12.000 Right.

01:48:13.000 It's a figure of speech, unfortunately.

01:48:15.000 But still.

01:48:16.000 It's a kind figure of speech.

01:48:18.000 How are you doing?

01:48:19.000 I know.

01:48:19.000 But it's not real.

01:48:20.000 Yes.

01:48:21.000 But it's not real.

01:48:21.000 They don't really care what you're doing.

01:48:22.000 They don't care how are you.

01:48:24.000 I understand.

01:48:27.000 It's Kaizen.

01:48:28.000 Let's be real, but sometimes don't push it too much to the I'm important, every my word is important, every movement.

01:48:41.000 So the true power is coming with lightness, to be lightness.

01:48:48.000 And lightness is not to take it so much seriously and take it too...

01:48:54.000 Too much light, so taking like, don't care about what I'm saying.

01:48:59.000 So some...

01:49:01.000 Balance.

01:49:02.000 Balance.

01:49:02.000 It's just balance.

01:49:03.000 It's constant balance and staying pure.

01:49:08.000 Is that what you're feeling when you stare your opponents down?

01:49:13.000 Because like, one of the fights with Pereira and the fight with Jamal Hill, you just lock on your opponent and you stare.

01:49:23.000 And is that what you're doing in that moment?

01:49:25.000 Just trying to be completely present?

01:49:27.000 Just empty yourself of all bullshit?

01:49:30.000 Yeah, this is the moment before the fight.

01:49:33.000 It's all about that.

01:49:34.000 Because there is no opponent.

01:49:36.000 There is just this moment.

01:49:41.000 I'm everywhere.

01:49:42.000 You're everywhere.

01:49:44.000 I like it.

01:49:45.000 I'm everywhere.

01:49:45.000 Yeah, but this is not something what I'm telling you that because I want to be...

01:49:52.000 Cool.

01:49:53.000 No, no, no, I don't think you are.

01:49:55.000 This is a real truth.

01:49:57.000 Yeah.

01:49:58.000 That's all.

01:49:59.000 So, now that you have this big victory, what happens next?

01:50:03.000 Do you wait for the UFC to call you?

01:50:05.000 Do you wait for Anka Live and Pereira to fight to see what happens next?

01:50:09.000 This is what I am right now, not expecting what I want to do, to see the fight.

01:50:16.000 If the fight will happen because they are...

01:50:19.000 Translating that so much this their fight so so let's see let's see who's the best and my attitude and right now I know that how I what to do to not to get better to do a real serious preparation to get prepared for Both of them,

01:50:49.000 doesn't matter who, and be ready for negotiation about the next fight.

01:50:55.000 I won a title, but I will let the life to give me who's before me right now.

01:51:04.000 Who's the challenge right now before me.

01:51:06.000 So it's just about whatever the challenge is, accept it, and then try to find your best self for this next performance as well.

01:51:15.000 That's right.

01:51:16.000 It's an exciting time for you, man.

01:51:17.000 How old are you right now?

01:51:18.000 32. It's a perfect prime.

01:51:20.000 That's in your prime.

01:51:22.000 It's an exciting time.

01:51:24.000 Are you enjoying this life?

01:51:30.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes, enjoying.

01:51:34.000 But, man, a long time nobody asked me for these questions, so I didn't thought about that a long time.

01:51:42.000 But, yes.

01:51:44.000 Since I decide I want to go this way of the warrior, of a true man, to feel the true power and take it to my life and live with that, not just to feel that and go away, but to keep it in a daily life.

01:52:14.000 Yes.

01:52:15.000 Yes, I'm enjoying that.

01:52:17.000 And I don't know who said that.

01:52:21.000 Watch yourself like an art, like a David you are.

01:52:31.000 Right, you're making a masterpiece.

01:52:33.000 Make a masterpiece from your life.

01:52:35.000 And that's what I like to do in my meditations, to take a step up.

01:52:42.000 Watch yourself, watch where you're going, who you spend time with, where is your daily, what's your daily routines, how it makes it better, and then go into the deepest level of the present moment and live that.

01:53:07.000 And stay with these, your best ideas, what you are connected with.

01:53:17.000 Yes, so, yes, you ask me, yes, I live that.

01:53:23.000 But I didn't in the time, right now, I can say it right now, I didn't expect it will cost you.

01:53:35.000 Everything.

01:53:37.000 It will cost you your old personality and you will be reborn like a new personality.

01:53:44.000 But still, I know somebody, my spirit, whoever, choose that.

01:53:52.000 Because I know this is the way.

01:53:55.000 One of the things that I have to talk to you about was in the Alex Pereira fight, you thought that they were using...

01:54:03.000 Some magic spirits.

01:54:05.000 Black magic, yeah. 0.95

01:54:05.000 Black magic. 0.95

01:54:06.000 Yeah.

01:54:06.000 Why did you think that?

01:54:08.000 You know, okay, I will take it from another start.

01:54:13.000 Okay.

01:54:14.000 When I'm doing something, I'm doing that like, I'm extreme in everything what I'm doing.

01:54:22.000 So I want to go to the bottom, to the bottom of the, to the start where it's the source.

01:54:31.000 The source.

01:54:32.000 Of that.

01:54:32.000 Where it's going.

01:54:34.000 And the source of the spiritual world, of that question, what is the spiritual world?

01:54:43.000 Where the source is?

01:54:48.000 If there is some weapons, how they use that in the cage?

01:54:56.000 And I went in that...

01:54:59.000 So deep, so I get lost.

01:55:03.000 Really.

01:55:05.000 So I had no other chance just to totally close these doors.

01:55:19.000 Just believe that I am who I am.

01:55:25.000 To believe just...

01:55:29.000 For ideas which I started with, like the martial arts and all these things, and just be in the gym and train.

01:55:39.000 Don't do another of this bullshit, because with Pereira, I really get lost, and I started to believe to another people, to not just myself.

01:55:56.000 This is something, this is the way to the hell, when you start, stop believing yourself, your true yourself.

01:56:04.000 And when you start believing some spiritual guys who's trying to protect you or giving you something and trying to lead you and they know what's the best for you.

01:56:21.000 And that was my biggest school in this life, I think.

01:56:28.000 So yeah, that was my last preparation.

01:56:31.000 To just believe in myself.

01:56:34.000 Go to the gym and train.

01:56:37.000 Do a good camp.

01:56:39.000 Do a camp what was the first, your biggest inspiration.

01:56:44.000 So in Japan, I made a camp in Japan.

01:56:47.000 Then I made high-attitude training in Mexico.

01:56:50.000 Then I went back to my city, Bruno, for my guys.

01:56:55.000 My team and we made a solid good camp, hard camp and the last fight I'm happy that...

01:57:08.000 happy.

01:57:10.000 What is it about getting down to the source that made you think he was using black magic?

01:57:17.000 Yeah, it's every time a big No big difference.

01:57:27.000 No experience.

01:57:29.000 I said that.

01:57:30.000 That word.

01:57:31.000 Big power when you are...

01:57:33.000 Responsibility?

01:57:34.000 It's big responsibility.

01:57:36.000 Not just big responsibility.

01:57:39.000 We are...

01:57:40.000 I want to speak right now.

01:57:43.000 So I don't want to speak about that fully because still it is something what I am humble for and I can say This is it.

01:57:55.000 This is it.

01:57:57.000 Because everyone has their own way.

01:58:05.000 And nobody is, like even me, prepared for saying something, what can be for somebody, like, take it seriously, you know.

01:58:25.000 Maybe, man.

01:58:27.000 Again, I get lost in that.

01:58:29.000 So, the thing is, I just started to believe.

01:58:36.000 I will not speak about where is the magic, how to use the magic.

01:58:41.000 But you believed that there was magic working against you.

01:58:44.000 Man, and that was the biggest power for my opponent because I was focused for him.

01:58:53.000 Not for me.

01:58:54.000 You know?

01:58:55.000 And that's where the black magic lies.

01:58:57.000 And then...

01:58:58.000 Because it gets you outside of your own head.

01:59:00.000 Is that...

01:59:01.000 But is that black magic or is that just his presence as a champion?

01:59:05.000 Because the aura of a fighter is a weapon.

01:59:09.000 Israel Adesanya when he was in his prime had that.

01:59:12.000 Mike Tyson in his prime had that.

01:59:14.000 Anderson Silva had that.

01:59:16.000 There's an aura that champions have when they're in their prime that makes you think about them instead of yourself.

01:59:20.000 And it probably seems like black magic.

01:59:23.000 Yeah, but still, this is the...

01:59:26.000 Just for me, it's the pure self-confidence.

01:59:30.000 And to be pure self-confident...

01:59:34.000 You can't think about your opponent.

01:59:38.000 And that was something that I made.

01:59:41.000 That was something that I really went to another level.

01:59:49.000 So when you look at yourself now in this amazing performance against Jamal Hill, are you imagining yourself even better?

02:00:00.000 Are you constantly imagining yourself even more precise, even more accurate, even more effective?

02:00:07.000 Yeah, sure.

02:00:09.000 But right now I'm more in reality about that.

02:00:13.000 Not just in imagination.

02:00:17.000 I want to see that in video.

02:00:19.000 I want to be real.

02:00:20.000 I want to see the results of my work.

02:00:26.000 All these things, real.

02:00:28.000 Not just think, like, still think about, I can be better, I can do this, but I, no.

02:00:37.000 I want to do, I want to be a champion, and I'm going for it, and I want to show that to everyone.

02:00:43.000 That's all.

02:00:44.000 And I will show that, and then, then we can speak about the black magic again. 0.83

02:00:53.000 No, because...

02:00:57.000 So right now you don't even want to concentrate on the idea of that.

02:01:02.000 Yeah.

02:01:02.000 And to protect yourself from that, you just don't think about it and be in your own mind.

02:01:07.000 It's all about that.

02:01:08.000 Yeah.

02:01:09.000 It's all about that because, like I said, the mind is a big, great to serve, but the baddest boss.

02:01:21.000 Yeah.

02:01:22.000 So that's why.

02:01:23.000 It can run away from you.

02:01:25.000 Yeah, that's why I had to go back to Japan, where my old belief started to go really deep, because there I started to be, I don't know how to say, not just inspired, but to live it, really live it, without no...

02:01:54.000 You know, anything.

02:01:59.000 In managing your mind, I'm sure one of the most important things is to not have a lot of negative influences, not have a lot of negative thoughts.

02:02:10.000 Do you spend any time on social media when you're in camp?

02:02:14.000 Yeah, but I'm doing just some posts and that's all.

02:02:19.000 Yeah, just post and go.

02:02:20.000 Just post and go, yeah.

02:02:21.000 That's it.

02:02:21.000 That's how to do it.

02:02:23.000 I'll post and maybe some answer to just a few of my friends.

02:02:28.000 And that's all.

02:02:29.000 No reading comments, no reading anything.

02:02:32.000 Because I'm here to, right now, I'm here to show you my way of the martial arts.

02:02:40.000 My way to the strength.

02:02:45.000 When I still feel the way.

02:02:49.000 And this is it.

02:02:50.000 What is the The days that you spend in darkness and silence.

02:02:56.000 What does that do for you?

02:03:01.000 Still, it's about exploring your mind.

02:03:04.000 Keep your mind disciplined.

02:03:06.000 Keep your thoughts on the ground.

02:03:11.000 Observe.

02:03:13.000 It's all about the mind.

02:03:15.000 And then about the training, because I trained there too.

02:03:20.000 In that dark, you mean that dark room?

02:03:22.000 Yeah.

02:03:24.000 So, meditation, observing mind, follow your and find the best, the best of your, what you can, what you can achieve in this life, what you can If you can, if you want, really.

02:03:51.000 And this is the question what everybody have to answer to ourselves.

02:03:59.000 Which life we want to live?

02:04:02.000 Which thoughts are useful?

02:04:07.000 Which not?

02:04:07.000 Which I need to let go and which I want to keep in my life?

02:04:16.000 And so it's just a deep exploration of your own mind.

02:04:20.000 Yes, maybe because there is a lot of levels like imagination, see some visualizations, some life dreams.

02:04:37.000 All these things, because after three days there is an opening, the third eye is opening, and you can see truly who you are, and maybe sometimes somebody needs more days without food, so without food it's going to be more intensive.

02:05:06.000 Yeah, everything's going much faster.

02:05:08.000 So, yeah.

02:05:10.000 So when you started doing this, you do no food?

02:05:13.000 Do you just drink water when you're in there?

02:05:14.000 Yeah.

02:05:15.000 And to understand me, all these things I'm doing because I really decide to use everything like a weapon in a fighting to use my mind, use my visualization, use everything.

02:05:36.000 And that's why I went to do this trip of the spirituality so deep because I thought there will be some special weapons that I can use in the fighting.

02:05:51.000 And the biggest special weapon is to be yourself, the realest yourself.

02:06:02.000 That's all.

02:06:07.000 That's the key.

02:06:08.000 That's the key.

02:06:09.000 Yeah.

02:06:10.000 Well, listen, brother, I'm a big fan.

02:06:12.000 I love watching you fight.

02:06:13.000 I really enjoyed talking to you.

02:06:15.000 I wish you nothing but success and I can't wait to see you get after it again.

02:06:18.000 And I'm very happy for you and your improvement.

02:06:21.000 The last fight was incredible.

02:06:22.000 And thank you for everything.

02:06:25.000 Thank you.

02:06:25.000 Tell everybody, do you have a website?

02:06:27.000 Do you have a website online?

02:06:29.000 What is your website?

02:06:33.000 I have just a brand.

02:06:35.000 You mean like...

02:06:36.000 Do you have a website or do you just have social media?

02:06:39.000 Social media, yeah, sure.

02:06:40.000 Social media, just Instagram, Yuri Prohaska.

02:06:43.000 Yuri Prohaska, yes.

02:06:44.000 Instagram, Twitter too.

02:06:46.000 Twitter is Yuri BJP. There it is.

02:06:51.000 Yep.

02:06:52.000 That's it.

02:06:52.000 What does BJP stand for?

02:06:55.000 Wow, man.

02:06:57.000 This is...

02:07:00.000 Well, what I came from, the stand, that young Yiri, not young Yiri, the true Yiri, who's...

02:07:15.000 But UFC don't like that.

02:07:18.000 Because I'm trying to tell them, like, this is the best Yiri Prochaska.

02:07:23.000 But in the real, in Czech, is a Bombiak Pica. 0.65

02:07:30.000 That means, like, bombs as fuck.

02:07:34.000 So, because, yeah, that's it.

02:07:36.000 That's it.

02:07:37.000 So it's bomb as fuck Yuri Prohaska.

02:07:39.000 That's right.

02:07:40.000 That's it.

02:07:41.000 That's right.

02:07:41.000 Beautiful.

02:07:42.000 Yeah.

02:07:42.000 Looking for a biggest strength, that's all.

02:07:45.000 Yes, sir.

02:07:45.000 All right.

02:07:46.000 Thank you, brother.

02:07:47.000 This was awesome.

02:07:47.000 Thank you.

02:07:48.000 Really appreciate you.

02:07:48.000 Thank you very much.

02:07:49.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 25, 2025

JRE MMA Show #165 with Jiri Prochazka

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