The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #169

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan.

00:00:07.000 Podcast by night, all day.

00:00:12.000 Good, you're up.

00:00:13.000 We're up.

00:00:14.000 What?

00:00:17.000 We're back.

00:00:19.000 It's just like getting pulled over by the cops.

00:00:21.000 The window rolls down.

00:00:22.000 The cops are like, what the fuck are you doing?

00:00:26.000 Shit.

00:00:27.000 Joe, I took one hit of that shit.

00:00:29.000 Actually, it was strong as hell.

00:00:30.000 I feel high already.

00:00:31.000 That's good for you, dude.

00:00:32.000 It's good for you.

00:00:33.000 Opens your mind.

00:00:34.000 It's the right stuff.

00:00:36.000 Yeah, there's some talk about Trump legalizing marijuana now.

00:00:39.000 That would be amazing.

00:00:41.000 It kind of feels like it is legal right now.

00:00:43.000 Well, it should be.

00:00:44.000 It's so stupid.

00:00:46.000 I can't believe we're still dealing with this.

00:00:48.000 I mean, I would have thought by the time, I just turned 58.

00:00:50.000 I would have thought by the time I'm 58, we would have figured this out.

00:00:54.000 Can I tell you with my ulcerative colitis?

00:00:56.000 We always thought with my ass.

00:00:58.000 But with my ulcerative colitis, after my colonosomi one time, the doctor's like, well, there's this pill you could take.

00:01:06.000 It could affect your liver, but not for many years.

00:01:09.000 Like, not for.

00:01:10.000 No, this was when I was like 39.

00:01:12.000 I'm 51 now.

00:01:14.000 I'd be going to Columbia for stem cells for my fucking liver at this point.

00:01:18.000 So what I do is the natural stuff, and it does help me.

00:01:22.000 It just helps, and I don't have to...

00:01:27.000 It would take the place of so many different pharmaceutical drugs.

00:01:30.000 And that's a big part of the problem.

00:01:32.000 The other part of the problem is the alcohol industry.

00:01:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:35.000 That would suffer for sure, right?

00:01:37.000 And they've done studies.

00:01:38.000 They know.

00:01:40.000 They lobby.

00:01:41.000 They work on it hard.

00:01:42.000 They do not want marijuana becoming legalized in the whole nation.

00:01:47.000 Alcohol is way worse.

00:01:48.000 It's way worse.

00:01:49.000 An age-old conversation, but.

00:01:52.000 Well, the real big problem is who's selling if it's illegal?

00:01:56.000 The cartel.

00:01:57.000 That's right.

00:01:58.000 You know, I've talked about this before.

00:02:00.000 If you've heard it before, I'm sorry.

00:02:01.000 But there's a guy named John Norris who's been on the podcast before, who was a game warden.

00:02:05.000 He wrote a book called Hidden War.

00:02:07.000 He was a game warden in California.

00:02:09.000 You know, just a guy who checks fishing licenses and shit.

00:02:12.000 He loves the woods, loves being outdoors.

00:02:14.000 He came in the middle.

00:02:14.000 And he came upon a fucking cartel grow op in the middle of the national forest.

00:02:18.000 And then they realized, oh, no, this is what they do.

00:02:21.000 They go deep into the woods and public land and they set up a grow op and they got fucking AKs and they got the Virgin Mary photos that they pray to at night.

00:02:33.000 It's crazy.

00:02:34.000 Like full-on campsites filled with cartel dudes.

00:02:38.000 They started turning into a tactical team.

00:02:40.000 So this guy had to get Belgian malamois and bulletproof vests and they're getting shootouts with the cartels in the middle of the woods.

00:02:46.000 I thought he was signing up to be a park ranger or anything.

00:02:49.000 No shit.

00:02:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:50.000 Hear people's fish stories.

00:02:52.000 Like, how'd you get this one?

00:02:53.000 You know, no, he's fucking getting shootouts.

00:02:55.000 Because it's a full cartel.

00:02:57.000 So when California made their laws where you could have legalized recreational marijuana, what they also did was if you grow it illegally, it's only a misdemeanor.

00:03:09.000 So the cartel could just grow if it's a misdemeanor.

00:03:11.000 It's a misdemeanor.

00:03:12.000 It's a big deal.

00:03:13.000 And if they catch people that are illegals up there, they don't do shit.

00:03:16.000 So it's the perfect spawning ground for cartel grow-ops.

00:03:20.000 And what he was saying at the time he was here, which was a couple of years back, but he was saying that it was as much as 80% of the marijuana, I think, that was the number in the country in places where it's illegal is coming from these dudes.

00:03:35.000 And they're using all these crazy pesticides and herbs that are totally illegal.

00:03:41.000 Fucking super toxic shit.

00:03:42.000 Shit that's outlawed on farms in America, but it's effective.

00:03:46.000 And so they're using it.

00:03:47.000 So you're getting this weed that's infected with these pesticides and herbists.

00:03:52.000 There's no rules, man.

00:03:53.000 It's illegal weed.

00:03:55.000 If they had it legal, you could have inspectors who could check the fucking fact, the farms and the factories.

00:04:03.000 It'd be just like alcohol.

00:04:05.000 If alcohol was illegal, we'd all be fucked.

00:04:07.000 We'd be drinking moonshine.

00:04:09.000 No one would, you know what I mean?

00:04:10.000 Yeah, no doubt.

00:04:10.000 Fuck a nice glass of wine.

00:04:12.000 You're drinking fucking straight up alcohol, nasty shit, because that's all that's available.

00:04:18.000 And that's what people are doing right now.

00:04:20.000 It's dumb.

00:04:21.000 It empowers the people that are criminals.

00:04:23.000 Well, you said it before.

00:04:24.000 It's the money.

00:04:26.000 They're going to affect the big pharma.

00:04:28.000 And we all have seen From COVID, what the hell kind of power big pharma has.

00:04:34.000 Yeah, they're worried about it, but I think the alcohol people are worried more.

00:04:37.000 The alcohol people got us twice.

00:04:39.000 They were fighting.

00:04:40.000 Remember, they fought MMA hard too, Bud Lawrence.

00:04:42.000 Oh, that was it, Buddy.

00:04:42.000 Did they?

00:04:44.000 Because of boxing, you know.

00:04:45.000 Yeah, kind of crazy that Bud Light became a sponsor years later.

00:04:49.000 How long did the prohibition last for?

00:04:52.000 Prohibition on alcohol, that's a good point.

00:04:54.000 I think it was 10 years.

00:04:56.000 Was it 10 years, Jimmy?

00:04:57.000 Must have been a rough fucking 10 years.

00:04:58.000 Bro, it had to be crazy.

00:05:01.000 Yeah, right.

00:05:02.000 But that's where the organized crime got all their money.

00:05:05.000 13 years.

00:05:06.000 Yep, that's where Nash 13 fucking years.

00:05:08.000 For 13 fucking years, alcohol was illegal in this country.

00:05:11.000 You know how crazy that is?

00:05:12.000 A grown man telling you you can't have a drink.

00:05:15.000 Who loves?

00:05:16.000 You want to smoke?

00:05:16.000 Same thing.

00:05:17.000 What's the problem?

00:05:18.000 Exactly the same thing.

00:05:19.000 It's weird.

00:05:20.000 Exactly the same thing.

00:05:21.000 We're just delusional about it.

00:05:23.000 And we put it under the label drug, which is alcohol.

00:05:26.000 Alcohol is a drug, dummy.

00:05:27.000 It's the world drill.

00:05:29.000 Everything's a drug.

00:05:30.000 Caffeine is a drug.

00:05:30.000 There's a lot of drugs.

00:05:32.000 Exactly.

00:05:32.000 We're drinking espresso.

00:05:34.000 You just stop it.

00:05:35.000 It's just knowing how to use each drug.

00:05:37.000 And the only way you know how to use it is if people are honest.

00:05:40.000 And if they do studies.

00:05:42.000 You have actual scientists who aren't being paid off to come up with some sort of negative or positive result.

00:05:48.000 You know, that's what it's supposed to be.

00:05:50.000 Yeah.

00:05:50.000 For all of us.

00:05:51.000 It's all just fucking co-opted by money.

00:05:54.000 You know, Maryland.

00:05:55.000 Enforce it.

00:05:56.000 Never heard that.

00:05:57.000 Maryland had been food.

00:05:58.000 Well, that's good.

00:05:59.000 So you have a drug.

00:05:59.000 You've done everything for Maryland.

00:06:01.000 Shout out to Matt Bush Amy.

00:06:03.000 By the way, how crazy is that?

00:06:05.000 Right.

00:06:06.000 Also, home of ground control.

00:06:08.000 Yeah.

00:06:09.000 Hey, guys, I guess I missed the message.

00:06:12.000 This was a totally different.

00:06:13.000 I've been here for 30 years.

00:06:15.000 I know.

00:06:15.000 Totally up.

00:06:16.000 We didn't talk about this at all.

00:06:18.000 Well, I saw Matt were his last time, and I said, well, that's it.

00:06:21.000 The green light.

00:06:21.000 I'm shamelessly self-promoting.

00:06:24.000 And then Dean came down.

00:06:25.000 I go, motherfucker, I got there.

00:06:27.000 And he goes, I got to represent.

00:06:28.000 And then you came in with it.

00:06:29.000 So we love to talk about it.

00:06:32.000 I know, that's crazy.

00:06:33.000 That's crazy.

00:06:34.000 I'm left out of the loop here.

00:06:35.000 I know.

00:06:36.000 I wish we had some extra.

00:06:38.000 We just were bought.

00:06:40.000 I had an extra one, too.

00:06:41.000 You know what's so funny?

00:06:42.000 I had one that was still in the package, and I was like, should I bring this?

00:06:45.000 I'm like, no, I don't need this.

00:06:46.000 I think you should have.

00:06:47.000 I should have wanted you.

00:06:50.000 That was like the universe telling me that you needed one of these shirts.

00:06:53.000 And I ignored it.

00:06:54.000 That's great.

00:06:55.000 We're talking about stuff that's good for you.

00:06:57.000 And I've been telling you, I've been eating a ton of fucking pizza.

00:07:00.000 And I still got answers.

00:07:01.000 Oh, here it comes.

00:07:03.000 Are you less?

00:07:05.000 Can I tell you I'm talking?

00:07:06.000 You guys are taking it on me.

00:07:08.000 I can see it in me.

00:07:11.000 Sarah's done.

00:07:12.000 Can I tell you now that I'm so proud of this?

00:07:15.000 I don't like to brag.

00:07:18.000 Dean doesn't.

00:07:18.000 I need a little bit.

00:07:20.000 But on Long Island, we have three champions.

00:07:22.000 Four, if you include Murab.

00:07:23.000 You know, he's adopted by us.

00:07:25.000 Chris Wideman has his own day in Long Island.

00:07:29.000 Aljamain Sterling has his own day.

00:07:32.000 I'm not butthurt about not having my own day, but I have something better.

00:07:39.000 Thank you, Talios, from Matsupequa Park and Minniola.

00:07:42.000 I have my own Sarah slice.

00:07:45.000 It's the best fucking, it'll knock your dick off.

00:07:47.000 It's the best slice.

00:07:49.000 I put it up against any slice that they could give me.

00:07:53.000 And the reason being, listen, tell Dave Porter.

00:07:56.000 Listen.

00:07:57.000 Is this kid Rob?

00:07:57.000 Tell them what.

00:07:59.000 There he is, my buddy Rob.

00:08:01.000 Oh, he's talking about it.

00:08:04.000 I want to show you guys how we make the Sarah.

00:08:06.000 Our Roman shelf here.

00:08:07.000 We're going to go down with our grande.

00:08:11.000 Look at that.

00:08:12.000 No moisture.

00:08:13.000 Look at this.

00:08:14.000 Mozzarella.

00:08:15.000 This is a very simple pizza.

00:08:18.000 So these stripes of our chow tomato sauce imported from Italy.

00:08:27.000 Imported from Italy.

00:08:28.000 Sea salts, basil, and olive oil.

00:08:32.000 That is my recipe for my tomato sauce.

00:08:34.000 No sugar.

00:08:35.000 Stop putting sugar in your sauce.

00:08:37.000 And we have our beautiful housemade box sauce.

00:08:40.000 Dude, you make it with Machito di Parma.

00:08:42.000 I'm getting a hold on.

00:08:43.000 Matt, tell us it's the Sarah pizza.

00:08:46.000 Tell him where the dough comes from, Matt.

00:08:47.000 He's going to sit.

00:08:49.000 Caputo.

00:08:50.000 Caputo flour from Italy.

00:08:52.000 No bromate.

00:08:53.000 Sicilian oregano.

00:08:53.000 No preservation.

00:08:56.000 We have some beautiful Fiordi Latte fresh mozzarella.

00:08:59.000 Come on, man.

00:09:00.000 Just wait for the fucking pesto.

00:09:03.000 Wait for the pesto.

00:09:06.000 Super simple.

00:09:07.000 Go in the oven.

00:09:08.000 Got eight minutes.

00:09:10.000 Look at this fucking thing.

00:09:12.000 Look at this fucking thing.

00:09:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:09:14.000 This is one of the best advertisements for cards I've ever seen.

00:09:19.000 No bleach.

00:09:21.000 You know, I tell you, this is the only green I eat.

00:09:23.000 I eat that fucking grated pecorino.

00:09:27.000 Ready?

00:09:28.000 Wait for the course.

00:09:29.000 Oh, the money shot.

00:09:33.000 Let's fucking go, Rob.

00:09:35.000 The pesto.

00:09:36.000 Take a bite.

00:09:37.000 Guys, I'm so proud.

00:09:39.000 Sarah, come get it now.

00:09:41.000 Both locations.

00:09:42.000 Calio pizza.

00:09:46.000 He was so happy.

00:09:47.000 Thank you, Rob.

00:09:49.000 This is the first time you'll ever see Matt's mouth shut.

00:09:51.000 I'm so happy.

00:09:52.000 So good.

00:09:55.000 Why you didn't bring us none?

00:09:56.000 Dude, can I tell you, I'm there all the fucking time.

00:10:01.000 My podcast I'm doing, I found the first shop near Mineola train station, and I'm like, this fucking shit's ridiculous, you know?

00:10:09.000 And then the guy happens to be a fan of the fight and Rob.

00:10:11.000 So then he's like, look, I'm opening up another spot.

00:10:14.000 Dude, in Massa Pequil Park.

00:10:15.000 Dude, that's five minutes from my house.

00:10:16.000 This is meant to be.

00:10:18.000 It's fucking meant to be.

00:10:19.000 And now he's training now, Rob.

00:10:21.000 So that's awesome.

00:10:22.000 Italio's pizza.

00:10:23.000 The G is silent like lasagna.

00:10:25.000 And I just, I'm so happy.

00:10:28.000 That is the number one problem with any of that carnivore diet bullshit.

00:10:33.000 That's the number one problem is pizza.

00:10:36.000 Oh, right.

00:10:36.000 Yeah, no doubt.

00:10:37.000 Italian subs.

00:10:39.000 He was telling me that it's not even legal in Europe to have the bromate.

00:10:43.000 I didn't even know what the bromate was.

00:10:44.000 He goes, it's stuff they put in the dough to make it last longer and this and that.

00:10:50.000 This kid has such balls where he started important.

00:10:52.000 He's twice as much for a flour of caputo flour.

00:10:56.000 I know a lot about it.

00:10:56.000 Dude, I don't know much.

00:11:00.000 You feel different if you eat that flour.

00:11:02.000 I'll eat this shit on the way to go train at my school.

00:11:05.000 And I'm not doing that with Pietro's, no offense.

00:11:08.000 I'm not doing that with other schools.

00:11:10.000 He has a.

00:11:10.000 It's so good.

00:11:11.000 Potassium bromate, a flour additive used to strengthen dough, may have potential health risks.

00:11:16.000 While it's legal in the U.S., it's banned in many other countries due to concerns about its potential carcinogenic effects.

00:11:23.000 Studies have linked it to kidney and thyroid cancers in animals.

00:11:26.000 Well, fucking duh.

00:11:27.000 And it's been associated with genotoxic and nephrotoxic effects in both animal models and humans.

00:11:34.000 Acute symptoms from ingestion can include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain.

00:11:41.000 They put this in our flour.

00:11:42.000 Dude, that's what I'm saying.

00:11:44.000 That's crazy.

00:11:44.000 Crazy.

00:11:45.000 It causes changes in DNA and potentially lead to mutations.

00:11:52.000 Guys.

00:11:52.000 What the fuck?

00:11:53.000 I'm telling you, man.

00:11:54.000 Look at that fucking statement.

00:11:56.000 That's crazy.

00:11:57.000 Dude, that's why, man.

00:11:58.000 I noticed its place at the end.

00:12:00.000 Give this kid so much credit.

00:12:01.000 Nobody does this.

00:12:02.000 People can't.

00:12:03.000 They can import the flour.

00:12:04.000 It's just more.

00:12:05.000 But this kid's killing it.

00:12:07.000 And it's fucking, and it's, it's such a difference, man.

00:12:10.000 They say when you go to Italy and you come back and you're eating all that shit and you come back, you're not fat.

00:12:14.000 It's that shit.

00:12:15.000 It's the flour, man.

00:12:16.000 And he makes the heroes out of the same flour.

00:12:19.000 Jamie, do you remember that video that I sent you about that dude breaking down exactly what's in flour and why it fucks us up?

00:12:25.000 Do you remember that video?

00:12:27.000 You find it.

00:12:28.000 The dude with the hat on, who's the health expert, is a young guy, and he does an amazing job of breaking down the difference between our flour and their flour.

00:12:37.000 And you see, you get so upset.

00:12:38.000 You're like, this is so crazy.

00:12:40.000 You guys let them do this to us.

00:12:42.000 Yeah, that's banned in other countries, but legal here.

00:12:45.000 How's that possible?

00:12:46.000 That's crazy.

00:12:47.000 You would think, why are we putting up with this shit?

00:12:48.000 Why?

00:12:49.000 Yeah, why would it be?

00:12:49.000 Why?

00:12:51.000 It's because it's slow poison.

00:12:53.000 It's not like alcohol is like, whoa, you feel it the next day.

00:12:56.000 Like, oh my God.

00:12:57.000 Pizza is just a slow poison.

00:13:00.000 Slow poison without poison dough.

00:13:02.000 It weighs you down.

00:13:03.000 But it would weigh you down.

00:13:05.000 It would be just as good, just as good in terms of how you feel when you eat it, just as good flavor-wise, just not fucking kill you.

00:13:14.000 Explain to me why I can eat bread in Spain and in, I can, in Greece, Italy.

00:13:21.000 No problem.

00:13:23.000 I was gluten-free in 15 years.

00:13:25.000 I've been gluten-free.

00:13:26.000 In Parana, America can't eat it.

00:13:33.000 That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe.

00:13:38.000 See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain.

00:13:41.000 About 200 years ago, we started stripping the brain and germ or the fiber and nutrients to make flour shelf stable, also nutritionally dead.

00:13:48.000 Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize.

00:13:53.000 Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation.

00:13:58.000 But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas, and the bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which is banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China.

00:14:07.000 Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut.

00:14:14.000 So now you're bloated, brain fogged, tired, and blame gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat.

00:14:18.000 The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled wheat soaked in glyphosate.

00:14:24.000 This isn't bread.

00:14:25.000 This is.

00:14:26.000 That's it.

00:14:27.000 That's wild.

00:14:28.000 That's it.

00:14:28.000 Neon sign up in his thing.

00:14:30.000 No bleach, no bromate.

00:14:32.000 That's amazing.

00:14:33.000 Dude, I got fucking absolutely pizza.

00:14:36.000 He's at the right time now, too, because people are starting to be made aware.

00:14:36.000 It's like heaven.

00:14:41.000 It's yeah, and you can blame it on gluten all you want, but go eat pizza in Italy.

00:14:41.000 Yeah.

00:14:47.000 Give it a shot.

00:14:48.000 You feel good.

00:14:49.000 It's like I'm doing that every day.

00:14:50.000 Pasta there.

00:14:51.000 Yeah, pasta is incredible.

00:14:52.000 There's a few places.

00:14:54.000 How I cheat here on pasta.

00:14:56.000 Like back home, Deep Esqualis is the big Italian spot.

00:14:59.000 And they have, you can get ricotta gnocchi's.

00:15:03.000 So they're made with ricotta cheese.

00:15:04.000 And it's like maybe five grams of carbs and a thing of gnocchi.

00:15:09.000 Yeah, you could cheat it out, but if you really want to get fucking blasted with some carbs, lasagna will do you in.

00:15:17.000 Lasagna will do you in.

00:15:19.000 Oh my God.

00:15:19.000 There's something about Italian food.

00:15:22.000 When I'm really hungry, I just can't help it.

00:15:24.000 I don't care about my diet.

00:15:25.000 Fuck.

00:15:25.000 The sauces and all that stuff.

00:15:27.000 Yeah, it gets you.

00:15:28.000 You know, Joe DeRosa, the comedian, he's got a place called Joey Roses.

00:15:33.000 It's a sandwich shop.

00:15:34.000 And Joey Roses, they import all their flour.

00:15:37.000 That's the thing.

00:15:37.000 And it's the same thing.

00:15:39.000 They make their bread fresh every day and they throw it out at the end of the day.

00:15:42.000 They never use stale bread and they never use any preservatives.

00:15:45.000 And he's like, that's the difference.

00:15:46.000 Like, you can eat these sandwiches and you feel good.

00:15:49.000 It's crazy that that's rare.

00:15:51.000 Isn't that weird?

00:15:52.000 That's not how you consume food.

00:15:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:15:55.000 Like, you should be feeling good after you all the time.

00:15:57.000 Yeah, we're fucking poisoning ourselves.

00:15:59.000 And the fact that it's illegal in China and all these other places, it's like, how would they?

00:16:04.000 We're more corrupt than them.

00:16:06.000 That's crazy.

00:16:07.000 I mean, that was part of it too.

00:16:09.000 When you talk about the trade imbalances, some of our food not being able to go over there was just the fact that they wouldn't allow the food.

00:16:15.000 Because it's not even food to them.

00:16:17.000 Exactly.

00:16:18.000 It's not even legal, that bromate and shit.

00:16:20.000 It's fucking crazy.

00:16:21.000 It's fucked up that we're feeding that to our kids.

00:16:23.000 And these regulators knew about it.

00:16:25.000 They knew about it for a long time.

00:16:27.000 And if you're in that business, if that's your business, you fucking know what's going on.

00:16:32.000 And you guys let them just do that to people for profit because they can make more money this way.

00:16:38.000 But also, there's a problem with feeding fucking 300 million people.

00:16:44.000 That's a problem.

00:16:45.000 Any disruptions to the food source is a fucking dangerous thing because no one's growing shit.

00:16:51.000 You know, we're all relying on someone else to do the growing work.

00:16:55.000 And then what are we doing?

00:16:56.000 We're fucking going to these farms and catching all the people that are doing the work and then deporting them.

00:17:04.000 Which is like, whoa, we need it.

00:17:07.000 We need that.

00:17:08.000 Bro, we can't do anything right.

00:17:09.000 Yeah.

00:17:10.000 We can't do anything right.

00:17:11.000 Be a little fair about the bromate stuff.

00:17:13.000 It's been used since 1923.

00:17:15.000 And the FDA has been telling people to stop using it since 1991.

00:17:19.000 Don't worry about it.

00:17:19.000 Wow.

00:17:20.000 They've been telling people to stop using it, but they didn't tell them they have to stop using it.

00:17:24.000 It's up to people to do whatever they want in America.

00:17:24.000 Well, they urge people.

00:17:27.000 But in America's, is it the only place that uses it?

00:17:29.000 I don't know about only.

00:17:30.000 I think they said Canada.

00:17:31.000 Yeah, Canada.

00:17:32.000 Canada.

00:17:33.000 Of course.

00:17:34.000 They like our little brother.

00:17:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:17:36.000 Yeah.

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00:18:56.000 Our little cousin that we got to hang out with fucking family weddings.

00:19:01.000 You know, that one cousin.

00:19:03.000 And he texts you later, and you're like, Jesus Christ.

00:19:09.000 We all got that one cousin, right?

00:19:10.000 He's just like, yo, man.

00:19:12.000 He wasn't talking to you about communist theory.

00:19:14.000 Like, come on, fuck.

00:19:15.000 Relax.

00:19:16.000 Shut up.

00:19:17.000 They're fining people for walking in the woods.

00:19:19.000 You hear about that?

00:19:20.000 Where?

00:19:20.000 In Saskatchewan?

00:19:21.000 Is that where it is, Jamie?

00:19:22.000 I have no idea.

00:19:23.000 Yeah, this guy got fined.

00:19:23.000 Walking in the woods?

00:19:25.000 They told you that if you get caught in the woods because it's so hot out, they're worried about wildfires.

00:19:30.000 There's no wildfires, but they're worried about wildfires.

00:19:33.000 Every year you worry about wildfires.

00:19:34.000 So to combat this, you can find people $28,000 to walk into the woods.

00:19:41.000 That's a lot of money.

00:19:42.000 One guy's like, fuck you, I'm going to the woods.

00:19:42.000 One guy did it.

00:19:45.000 And then he went viral, of course.

00:19:47.000 Man.

00:19:47.000 Which is a good move.

00:19:48.000 Probably.

00:19:48.000 What's going on in this is the guy?

00:19:49.000 I mean, they're putting a $28,000 removed.

00:19:51.000 They're putting thousands of people in jail for social media posts.

00:19:55.000 No, banana stuff.

00:19:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:57.000 These fuck it's getting everybody's going communist.

00:20:00.000 Yeah, one person put this Facebook post or something like that critical of immigrants and saying they come over here and rape and murder our women.

00:20:09.000 And because of putting that up on Facebook, this person got 20 months in jail.

00:20:15.000 Damn.

00:20:15.000 Absolutely.

00:20:16.000 20 months.

00:20:17.000 That was way too much in the UK.

00:20:19.000 In the UK.

00:20:20.000 That's fucking really easy, dude.

00:20:22.000 A bunch of sensitive pussies.

00:20:23.000 They've arrested my friend Constantine Kissing from Trigonometry, the podcast.

00:20:28.000 He's the one that first told me about all this because he had this conversation with this guy where he said, How many people do you think get arrested for social media posts in Russia?

00:20:38.000 And, you know, he tells them what the number is.

00:20:41.000 It's like about 400.

00:20:43.000 Like, oh, wow.

00:20:44.000 He goes, how many people do you think get arrested for social media posts in the UK?

00:20:49.000 And the guy was like, what?

00:20:50.000 It was like, it's 4,000.

00:20:53.000 Damn.

00:20:53.000 True.

00:20:54.000 Like, what would the charge be for posting something?

00:20:54.000 Yeah, 40% of the time.

00:20:57.000 They don't have freedom of speech like we do.

00:20:59.000 Dude, I actually saw a police cam video where the fucking cop was telling them that.

00:21:05.000 Yeah, but your post offended.

00:21:07.000 Like, it's like, what the fuck do you mean?

00:21:08.000 I'm going to jail because my post offended someone?

00:21:11.000 Get the fuck out of here.

00:21:12.000 A man, what is this, Jamie?

00:21:14.000 A man has been jailed for Facebook person encouraging violence.

00:21:19.000 He's been jailed for 20 months for encouraging people on social media to attack a hotel in Leeds housing more than 200 migrants.

00:21:28.000 So is this the same guy, Jamie?

00:21:30.000 I Googled man jailed in the UK for Facebook post 20 months.

00:21:34.000 This is what came up.

00:21:35.000 Interesting.

00:21:36.000 Well, that's different.

00:21:37.000 That's Google funneling you what they want you to see.

00:21:40.000 Oh, he's talking about violence.

00:21:42.000 Oh.

00:21:43.000 No, but I'm not sure.

00:21:45.000 I mean, maybe he was talking about violence.

00:21:46.000 I mean, this guy obviously was.

00:21:49.000 I'm willing to wager there were more.

00:21:52.000 Where the whatever the guy with the wig is.

00:21:55.000 What are they called over there?

00:21:56.000 Yeah, right.

00:21:57.000 They wear the wig.

00:21:58.000 The dude, if you can find the video, Jimmy, the guy's full-on wearing the wig.

00:22:02.000 A wig, like a George Washington wig.

00:22:04.000 And so he reads the Facebook post that this guy made, you know, which wasn't nice.

00:22:10.000 But then, you know, then he says, like, for this egregious crime, I sentence you to 20 months of detention.

00:22:18.000 And even the wording they use is weird.

00:22:21.000 It wasn't like detention.

00:22:22.000 It was like a weird euphemism for fucking jail.

00:22:26.000 He's on timeout.

00:22:27.000 Yeah.

00:22:29.000 It was weird listening to him talk.

00:22:30.000 It was super dystopian.

00:22:32.000 He's got a custodial sentence and He only has to serve half of it.

00:22:35.000 Oh, so then there's to serve 10 months in a prison for making a post on Facebook.

00:22:42.000 Can you find the video, Jamie?

00:22:43.000 Well, I appreciate it.

00:22:44.000 Sure.

00:22:45.000 Find the video because it's kind of funny when you see the guy's wig.

00:22:49.000 Like, they have to wear the wig.

00:22:50.000 That's like the move over there.

00:22:53.000 The old school powdered wig.

00:22:55.000 Wasn't it back in the day?

00:22:56.000 Didn't they used to wear them to hide shit?

00:22:58.000 No, it was syphilis.

00:22:59.000 I don't wait.

00:22:59.000 They were losing it.

00:23:01.000 Yeah.

00:23:01.000 That's where the term big wig comes from.

00:23:04.000 Because the richest people got the biggest wigs.

00:23:06.000 They all got syphilis.

00:23:07.000 So this is what happened.

00:23:08.000 They came over to America, right?

00:23:11.000 In the 1492 days.

00:23:14.000 When they came back, they brought syphilis.

00:23:16.000 And syphilis just going rampant through these European cultures.

00:23:20.000 And these people have told me that.

00:23:22.000 So syphilis came from here and then went back there.

00:23:24.000 This is the thought.

00:23:26.000 So there's different types of syphilis, but they're pretty sure there's some evidence that indicates that one type of syphilis was transferred from Native American populations to Europeans.

00:23:35.000 Native Americans who had already had a resistance to it, just like we had a resistance to smallpox and the flu when the Europeans came over here, and that's what the Indians did, and that's why they got wiped out.

00:23:45.000 Well, they didn't have resistance to this kind of syphilis.

00:23:47.000 This is like hole in your face.

00:23:50.000 Your hair falls out.

00:23:52.000 Listen to this motherfucker.

00:23:52.000 This is the guy.

00:23:55.000 You did not want your money going to immigrants who, quote, rape our kids and get priority, end quote.

00:24:04.000 This offense is so serious that an immediate custodial sentence is unavoidable.

00:24:12.000 Would you stand, please?

00:24:15.000 The sentence that I passed has been reduced by one-third to reflect your guilty plea.

00:24:21.000 The sentence is one of 20 months imprisonment.

00:24:24.000 Say that you didn't have to do that.

00:24:26.000 This guy said he didn't want his money going to immigrants and went to jail.

00:24:30.000 This wasn't somebody threatening violence.

00:24:32.000 Yeah.

00:24:32.000 They edited the post, so we don't know what else to do.

00:24:34.000 Right, there was an edit.

00:24:34.000 I was going to point that out.

00:24:36.000 There's something there.

00:24:37.000 So this, here's the thing, too.

00:24:40.000 Whenever it's possible for something like this to exist, whenever it's possible, there's going to be a bunch of people from other countries that edit stuff to make you more mad at the people in the UK.

00:24:53.000 Like, China does that in America.

00:24:56.000 There's a lot going on with social media and these kind of clips and posts and stuff.

00:25:01.000 There's a lot more going on than makes sense.

00:25:05.000 People always bitch about America, but look at that shit.

00:25:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:25:09.000 They're not locking anybody up over here yet.

00:25:11.000 You can't bitch about America in comparison.

00:25:15.000 The whole rest of the world is way worse in terms of how you're able to express yourself, the consequences of expressing yourself.

00:25:24.000 This is a pretty good spot.

00:25:25.000 It's just not perfect.

00:25:26.000 It's a cool thing.

00:25:27.000 It feels weird now that it's like the younger generation, everybody's like, they just like, it feels cool to say, like, fuck America.

00:25:34.000 Like, people are like, you wear an American shirt, they just think you're a fucking MAGA guy or something.

00:25:39.000 It's like, dude, you can't be proud of where you're from.

00:25:41.000 You're from America.

00:25:42.000 You can't be proud of your country.

00:25:43.000 America's everything.

00:25:45.000 It's all the things.

00:25:46.000 You know, it's just, we're so tribalized, and we have to get over that.

00:25:50.000 That's the number one problem is people decide that there's people that they hate and they hate everything about them.

00:25:57.000 And then, okay, now you got 50% of the country that you can't associate with that's not on your team.

00:26:02.000 Like, what did you do?

00:26:04.000 And so, well, now you have to justify everything your team believes in, including shit that doesn't make any sense and shit that is probably immoral, you know, especially when you get into like trans kid surgeries and shit like that.

00:26:17.000 You have to sign off on that because if you don't, then you're signing off on these right-wing bigots that want to fucking, you know, put the Bible and everything.

00:26:24.000 You're a Nazi.

00:26:25.000 Yeah, you're a Nazi.

00:26:27.000 It's like bad.

00:26:30.000 Both fucking versions are bad of both sides when you're looking at it from the other side because it's all cartoonish.

00:26:36.000 Because most people live in the middle of shit.

00:26:39.000 Yeah.

00:26:40.000 I mean, I feel that's 100% true.

00:26:42.000 Most people are in the middle.

00:26:44.000 I think you made like the point you made earlier, too.

00:26:47.000 You're getting just fired through the algorithm, you know, the shit that pisses you off if that's what you're clicking on all day long anyway.

00:26:55.000 So it just drives that wedge deeper and deeper, I think, because you're just inundated 24-7.

00:27:00.000 Like sometimes you just got to stop and get outside or watch a TV show to decompress.

00:27:05.000 That's the fucking problem, though.

00:27:06.000 You can't even enjoy.

00:27:08.000 Man, what they did with Star Wars, with the Oculite.

00:27:12.000 You can't even enjoy.

00:27:14.000 You can't enjoy.

00:27:15.000 I love the pop culture.

00:27:16.000 I love movies.

00:27:17.000 I tried to watch the electric state, that fucking thing, because I love robots going fucking rogue and AI.

00:27:23.000 Watch the electric state.

00:27:24.000 It's a Netflix movie with Chris Pratt.

00:27:27.000 And it looked like a big budget.

00:27:28.000 It was by the Russo brothers who did The Venges and shit.

00:27:31.000 So like, I go about AI robots.

00:27:35.000 Dude, what a piece of shit.

00:27:36.000 I couldn't even get through the opening.

00:27:38.000 And then, I know what I don't like.

00:27:40.000 I don't like when I'm watching a movie and already I see, okay, I know who the director voted for.

00:27:46.000 Like, you know what I mean?

00:27:49.000 They're bringing up the uprising or the robots.

00:27:51.000 And they go, and to celebrate the enslavement of the robots, Kid Rock did a concert.

00:27:58.000 Oh, did he really?

00:27:59.000 Did he really, you fucking assholes?

00:28:02.000 Can't I enjoy this shit?

00:28:04.000 Okay, you're on that side.

00:28:05.000 Go fuck.

00:28:06.000 I turned it off.

00:28:07.000 You're bringing me right out of it because you're showing me like you're taking shots for the audience to know.

00:28:12.000 Dude, fuck off.

00:28:13.000 I want to see some fucking robots.

00:28:16.000 I want to see, I want to be entertained.

00:28:18.000 I don't want to know about your fucking politics.

00:28:20.000 I feel like we have political fatigue, though.

00:28:22.000 I feel like most people are tired of talking about it.

00:28:25.000 Most people are like, just stop.

00:28:27.000 That's where I'm at.

00:28:28.000 I don't want to talk about this shit ever.

00:28:30.000 It's also, it's like pretending that one side is beyond reproach is fucking ridiculous.

00:28:36.000 And if you're one of those tribal people, you have to do that.

00:28:38.000 You have to support your side.

00:28:40.000 And like, that just gets nuts.

00:28:42.000 You can't do that.

00:28:43.000 There's too many people.

00:28:44.000 There's too many financial interests.

00:28:46.000 There's too much shit going on.

00:28:46.000 There's too much money.

00:28:48.000 There's too much.

00:28:49.000 Why is there a bro mate in my bread, bitch?

00:28:52.000 Exactly.

00:28:53.000 Exactly.

00:28:54.000 That's the political home.

00:28:56.000 Angela number five.

00:28:58.000 You motherfuckers have been doing a terrible job of taking care of us.

00:29:01.000 You're not really taking care of us.

00:29:03.000 We want to think you're like a cool counselor or something like that.

00:29:05.000 It's like looking out for the rest of the kids that are on this camp together.

00:29:10.000 You know, like our councilman is going to take care of us.

00:29:13.000 They're going to teach us how to get through the woods.

00:29:15.000 Meanwhile, they're just stealing money.

00:29:17.000 No, you can't go to the woods.

00:29:18.000 It's a 28,000 hours.

00:29:19.000 That's Canada.

00:29:20.000 But that's Canada.

00:29:21.000 I mean, but this is the problem with places that don't have the freedoms that we have.

00:29:25.000 Like the Constitution, our founding fathers, they nailed it.

00:29:28.000 They really did.

00:29:29.000 It's crazy that they nailed that so well.

00:29:32.000 They knew human nature so well that it applies like it's important 300 years later.

00:29:36.000 Maybe since they came from a monarchy, you know what I mean?

00:29:40.000 They gave them that perspective.

00:29:42.000 They were so smart, but I wonder how many of them were there, right?

00:29:45.000 Like how many really well-educated people were around back then?

00:29:49.000 Think about the age.

00:29:49.000 Couldn't have been that many.

00:29:50.000 They were kind of young.

00:29:51.000 It ain't even that many now.

00:29:52.000 Not a young man.

00:29:53.000 Not even young.

00:29:54.000 We're writing this thing.

00:29:55.000 Yeah.

00:29:56.000 Some of them are like in their early 20s.

00:29:58.000 But that's middle age, man.

00:30:00.000 That's a good point, man.

00:30:01.000 It's fucking middle aged.

00:30:03.000 You get an infection back then.

00:30:03.000 That's true.

00:30:05.000 You get staff.

00:30:06.000 That's syphilis.

00:30:07.000 All done by 35 over there.

00:30:09.000 Yeah, bro.

00:30:09.000 The syphilis thing is really nuts, though.

00:30:11.000 But that is why that stupid fucking thing that that guy was wearing on his head.

00:30:15.000 So that's the tradition based off of syphilis.

00:30:19.000 And they still do this shit today.

00:30:20.000 Yeah, and the guys with the most money had the biggest wigs.

00:30:22.000 That's why they call them big wigs.

00:30:24.000 Big wigs.

00:30:24.000 It all started with these two brothers that were royals.

00:30:28.000 Was it brother or a guy and his cousin?

00:30:30.000 I forget.

00:30:31.000 But these guys who are royals in France.

00:30:34.000 And these guys were like, you know, the socialites.

00:30:38.000 They were the celebrated people.

00:30:40.000 And they started losing their hair because they're freaks.

00:30:42.000 You know, they're probably fucking up a storm over there and they're catching syphilis.

00:30:45.000 And they got holes in their face and shit.

00:30:47.000 And they smell awful.

00:30:48.000 And their fucking hair's falling out.

00:30:50.000 So they just get a wig.

00:30:51.000 And then other dudes say, I want to be like him.

00:30:53.000 So they got wigs.

00:30:54.000 And then a bunch of people started getting syphilis.

00:30:55.000 They covered it up with wigs.

00:30:57.000 But that's crazy to me that you're almost celebrating having syphilis by getting a bigger wig.

00:31:01.000 Well, you know what it is?

00:31:02.000 It's like you're not celebrating syphilis, but since everybody's wearing a wig, your wig is the dopest one.

00:31:08.000 That's right.

00:31:09.000 We got to have a dopest one right now.

00:31:10.000 It's crazy that it's all because of sexually transmitted diseases.

00:31:15.000 It's crazy.

00:31:15.000 Wearing that shit.

00:31:16.000 That's our first export, syphilis.

00:31:16.000 It's crazy.

00:31:20.000 I think it was smallpox, man.

00:31:22.000 Smallpox wiped out the whole country.

00:31:24.000 The whole country, the whole, all of North America was filled with people.

00:31:28.000 They all got killed.

00:31:29.000 It's like 90% of the people got killed.

00:31:32.000 Hold on.

00:31:32.000 Damn.

00:31:33.000 What year was that?

00:31:34.000 This was between the times of the first settlers to the 1800s.

00:31:41.000 It was 90%.

00:31:43.000 90%.

00:31:44.000 Like Native Americans died from disease that Europeans broke.

00:31:48.000 And you know, for a long time, they were trying to deny, they were trying to figure out what happened to the Mayans.

00:31:52.000 Well, I'll tell you what happened to the Mayans.

00:31:54.000 Disease.

00:31:55.000 Obviously, Europeans, they had this spectacular civilization in Mexico.

00:31:59.000 If you ever go down and you ever go and seen any of the ruins?

00:32:02.000 I was in Cheechina.

00:32:02.000 Yeah, I went to Cheat.

00:32:03.000 Cheechinese.

00:32:04.000 Yeah, I went there too.

00:32:05.000 It was a couple months ago.

00:32:05.000 Yeah, I went there too.

00:32:07.000 Fucking dope.

00:32:07.000 It's amazing.

00:32:09.000 It's dope.

00:32:09.000 But like, what were they?

00:32:11.000 What drugs were these mothers?

00:32:13.000 Yeah, how were they building that shit?

00:32:16.000 I don't know, man.

00:32:17.000 A thousand years ago.

00:32:18.000 It was pretty amazing to see.

00:32:19.000 And even like the, remember that the ball court they had where you can stand at one end or the other and you could hear each other talking and shit because of the acoustics.

00:32:27.000 And it's just the sheer size of it.

00:32:31.000 The size of it.

00:32:32.000 It's like, wow.

00:32:34.000 And then just wiped out by a cough.

00:32:36.000 Like dirty, stinky Europeans right off the boat, breathing on everybody, swept through the people, no immunity to it.

00:32:44.000 That's crazy.

00:32:45.000 That's pretty wild, man.

00:32:46.000 It's exactly what happened to all the Amazon, too, man.

00:32:50.000 They're finding that out now.

00:32:52.000 The Amazon was all just disease.

00:32:54.000 Damn.

00:32:55.000 They had millions of people who were living in the Amazon, and some Europeans went to visit, and like, I forget what year it was, but they came back and had these stories about these beautiful cities and filled with gold and all this crazy shit.

00:33:09.000 And then people went back 100 years later, it was all gone.

00:33:12.000 Oh, they said, oh, this guy was lying.

00:33:14.000 White tourists.

00:33:15.000 But it wasn't that.

00:33:16.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:33:17.000 It wasn't lies.

00:33:19.000 So now they use LIDAR and they scan over the top of the forest and they see where these cities used to be.

00:33:25.000 There's so much shit over there that they haven't even uncovered.

00:33:28.000 It's just nuts that it's just dirty diseases.

00:33:31.000 Those first people, they fucking hey, coming over to fucking disease.

00:33:38.000 They were hard-ass enough to make it here.

00:33:40.000 You know, they were bringing some shit with them.

00:33:42.000 Oh, bro, you know how hard people must have been back then?

00:33:46.000 Just to even say, okay, I'm going to try it.

00:33:48.000 When someone says, hey, we've got a wood boat and we're going to go out there.

00:33:52.000 We have no idea if we're going.

00:33:55.000 I've always given Christopher Columbus credit for that shit.

00:33:58.000 On a fucking wooden boat in the middle.

00:34:00.000 I can't even fucking find directions to get to the fucking apex half the time.

00:34:04.000 The crazy thing is, we give him credit for landing here, and he didn't even make it here.

00:34:09.000 He landed in the Indies, right?

00:34:11.000 Like the West Indies.

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00:34:45.000 Where did Columbus actually land?

00:34:46.000 It was like near the Bahamas.

00:34:48.000 He wasn't even in America.

00:34:49.000 Bahamas is the best.

00:34:50.000 Hey, I don't give a fuck where he landed.

00:34:51.000 That motherfucker went out into the ocean 500 years ago on a boat.

00:34:54.000 We give him Christopher Columbus Day about land here.

00:34:58.000 I mean, I'm looking at the Vikings.

00:35:00.000 These motherfuckers, you know, just conquered nations going everywhere.

00:35:05.000 So, what does it say here?

00:35:08.000 San Salvador in the Bahamas.

00:35:10.000 Yeah.

00:35:11.000 First land on an island in the Bahamas.

00:35:13.000 That is not America, bitch.

00:35:17.000 You don't get credit for discovering America.

00:35:19.000 The Italians are, we're taking credit anyway.

00:35:22.000 But that's probably when those diseases started hitting them areas.

00:35:27.000 Also, the history of smallpox goes back to the sixth century, starting in China.

00:35:31.000 Smallpox does?

00:35:32.000 Yeah.

00:35:33.000 Interesting.

00:35:34.000 So the sixth century, and then was it mostly smallpox that killed off the Native Americans?

00:35:40.000 Or was it a bunch of different diseases that we brought with us?

00:35:43.000 Problem.

00:35:44.000 I mean, there it is.

00:35:45.000 17th century European settlers bring smallpox to North America.

00:35:49.000 There's an amazing guy named what is that, Jeremy?

00:35:54.000 European settlers are here with Christopher Columbus.

00:35:57.000 That's in the 16th century.

00:35:58.000 That's right?

00:36:00.000 1500s?

00:36:01.000 Right.

00:36:02.000 If he landed in 1490s.

00:36:03.000 Yeah, 1400.

00:36:05.000 That's 200 years later almost.

00:36:07.000 Right.

00:36:08.000 Well, it's probably like how many people came.

00:36:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:13.000 Like when Christopher Columbus came, that was, so this was 1492.

00:36:19.000 He lands in the Bahamas.

00:36:21.000 Yeah.

00:36:21.000 How many people were interacting with them?

00:36:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:25.000 How many people, once they started coming over here regularly?

00:36:28.000 Like, when did folks start hopping in boats and coming over regularly?

00:36:33.000 Like the early settlers.

00:36:35.000 I wouldn't have did it.

00:36:36.000 How many naked lands go across the fucking way?

00:36:41.000 No fucking way.

00:36:42.000 Those people were animals, man.

00:36:44.000 For real.

00:36:44.000 You're going to take a chance.

00:36:47.000 This dude knows how to get across the ocean in a wooden boat using a thing.

00:36:51.000 Yeah.

00:36:52.000 We stare at the stars and try to figure out where you are.

00:36:55.000 And he's drunk all the time.

00:36:57.000 Jamestown was 1607 when that started.

00:36:59.000 That's when it started, huh?

00:37:00.000 Interesting.

00:37:01.000 Well, that would be.

00:37:02.000 So that probably makes sense for us.

00:37:04.000 So like 100 fucking years they talked about it.

00:37:07.000 Isn't that kind of crazy?

00:37:09.000 I like in Vikings.

00:37:10.000 You see the show?

00:37:11.000 Vikings?

00:37:11.000 Vikings talked about America for 100 years before they came over.

00:37:15.000 Oh, no shit.

00:37:16.000 Yeah, so it's like he lands in the Bahamas and then 100 years later.

00:37:19.000 Oh, right.

00:37:19.000 And then most people started.

00:37:21.000 Yeah, then they start the first colony.

00:37:23.000 I wonder how long it took him just to get across.

00:37:26.000 Can you imagine what it would be like setting up a colony in a new country?

00:37:31.000 And you know, there's people with bows and arrows.

00:37:36.000 You knew the first people that set up the colony.

00:37:39.000 They knew.

00:37:39.000 They knew that there's the fucking Indians waiting for them.

00:37:42.000 Oh, yeah, everybody knew.

00:37:43.000 They knew that this was inhabited and they knew the type of people.

00:37:46.000 They'd come back, you know, whether it was Columbus's people or the other, whoever was here, came back and they had all these crazy stories about, you know, interacting with.

00:37:55.000 Also, the craziest stories were from, there was a, one of the guys was a priest or something, some holy man that was traveling with Columbus who had a detailed description of the horrific shit Columbus and his men did to whoever the indigenous people were that they encountered.

00:38:14.000 Oh, horrible shit.

00:38:16.000 Where they were saying, if you don't bring back your weight and gold, we'll chomp off your arms.

00:38:20.000 They were chomping arms off, dashing babies' heads on rocks.

00:38:25.000 Yeah, they were forcing these people to bring them gold.

00:38:29.000 It's like, do you remember that guy's name, Father Something or another?

00:38:32.000 So he had his memoirs of his time over there with Christopher Columbus's people.

00:38:38.000 And he was like, it was horrific.

00:38:41.000 So these people that we celebrate, I mean, this is one thing that the Wokesters got right.

00:38:45.000 You know, if you want to celebrate Christopher Columbus, like Christopher Columbus, we have Columbus Day.

00:38:51.000 Be careful who you're celebrating.

00:38:53.000 If that father, that priest was telling the truth, you're celebrating a monster.

00:38:58.000 You're celebrating literally like a mass murderer who would go to another.

00:39:03.000 I mean, but it's believable when you think about history.

00:39:05.000 Bro, that's all they did.

00:39:06.000 For sure.

00:39:07.000 You mean everybody conquered everybody at one point or another.

00:39:10.000 Yeah, and when there was no internet, you could get away with a lot.

00:39:13.000 A whole lot.

00:39:14.000 A whole lot.

00:39:15.000 Yeah, nobody knew you were coming.

00:39:17.000 You're coming with boats.

00:39:18.000 You're fucking people up.

00:39:19.000 You're taking all their shit.

00:39:20.000 And when you land places, you're like, it was like, this is probably the only time in history where a boat can land in a place and it's not hostile.

00:39:29.000 In America, when boats come here, it's like where you land.

00:39:33.000 But for the most part, most boat travels not hostile.

00:39:36.000 It's like, oh, look, a big boat full of people.

00:39:37.000 They're going to come eat at our restaurants.

00:39:40.000 And strange people from a different land are going to come and enjoy what we have to offer here in Portugal or wherever you are.

00:39:45.000 Some people are counting on that.

00:39:46.000 Bro, it used to be a boat showed up.

00:39:48.000 You didn't know what it was.

00:39:50.000 It was on.

00:39:51.000 She's got the war horns.

00:39:53.000 You hear a fucking shell.

00:39:58.000 Fuck.

00:39:59.000 You got to wake up, put your armor on.

00:40:01.000 Fuck.

00:40:02.000 I can't believe I got to do this.

00:40:05.000 Just imagine that shit.

00:40:06.000 Bro, that's how they live forever.

00:40:08.000 That's how people live for thousands of years.

00:40:10.000 It's nuts.

00:40:11.000 It's amazing we made it as far as we did.

00:40:14.000 I don't know if we'll do another thousand.

00:40:16.000 I think it's a lot of people.

00:40:17.000 Not with these technical motherfuckers.

00:40:19.000 No, I'm just saying, like, think about where the people are.

00:40:22.000 Think about where we are now.

00:40:23.000 Like, those dudes, they was hard, right?

00:40:25.000 Like, regardless, they was hard.

00:40:27.000 Now we in TikTok culture.

00:40:28.000 We got hard like that.

00:40:30.000 No, there's a lot of that.

00:40:31.000 And there's an encouragement of men to not be strong, which is always weird.

00:40:35.000 Pushing out the business.

00:40:36.000 It's always weird.

00:40:37.000 There's that encouragement.

00:40:38.000 And it comes from people that aren't strong.

00:40:40.000 They want more people like them.

00:40:42.000 More like us.

00:40:44.000 When they're in control of social media, that's where things get weird.

00:40:47.000 The fucking afterlight, I'll tell you, they clipped all the balls from the Jedis.

00:40:52.000 Nobody's going to want an action figure of that fucking little Star Wars.

00:40:56.000 Well, I mean, they made it.

00:40:58.000 I mean, they pussified the Hulk in Marvel.

00:41:03.000 Yeah, they gave him glasses and now he can talk.

00:41:05.000 Now it doesn't even make any sense that you would go back and forth between being the Hulk and being Bruce Banner.

00:41:09.000 Yeah, because he wasn't all in this.

00:41:12.000 They made this smart guy who's weak.

00:41:17.000 Yeah, Mysterious.

00:41:18.000 And that was my favorite movie.

00:41:20.000 That wasn't that great that movie.

00:41:21.000 But Superman.

00:41:22.000 That is a weird movie.

00:41:24.000 It's a weird choice to give a guy role to a girl.

00:41:27.000 It's a weird choice because there's so many girl roles in Super Chick superheroes.

00:41:34.000 Especially in the X-Men.

00:41:35.000 The X-Men had plenty of backgrounds.

00:41:36.000 They had tons of them, right?

00:41:37.000 They got to do that over right now.

00:41:40.000 It's like you've got Superwoman.

00:41:42.000 There's plenty of different characters you could play.

00:41:45.000 I don't know why.

00:41:47.000 Unless you're trying to prove a point.

00:41:49.000 Like Matt Sarah says, I know who you voted for.

00:41:52.000 Yeah.

00:41:53.000 To be fair, there is a female Silver Surfer.

00:41:56.000 Yeah.

00:41:56.000 For all the people that did it.

00:41:58.000 Well, here's the deal with that.

00:41:59.000 She was in maybe two episodes where she mattered, and the rest of them, she was mentioned.

00:42:05.000 Like, she's not a real character.

00:42:06.000 Bro, I used to love the Silver Surfer.

00:42:08.000 Did anybody ever do a comic surface flat-out movie that's any good?

00:42:12.000 Not a straight-up one.

00:42:13.000 I thought the first Fantastic Four one, they got the Silver Surfer pretty good in that one.

00:42:18.000 Why wouldn't they have a Silver Surfer movie?

00:42:20.000 That's a no.

00:42:20.000 No, that's like my favorite character.

00:42:23.000 Silver Surfer.

00:42:24.000 Cosmic character.

00:42:25.000 Yeah.

00:42:26.000 Never gets upset.

00:42:26.000 Zen is fucked.

00:42:28.000 1,000%.

00:42:29.000 I mean, he basically sacrificed himself to save his planet and his girl.

00:42:33.000 Bro, the Silver Surfer is literally the coolest comic book guy.

00:42:36.000 He made him look cool in this.

00:42:37.000 Rise of the Silver Surfer.

00:42:39.000 Yeah, I thought this was.

00:42:41.000 They did a version of a whole episode of The Avengers or a whole movie of The Avengers on the Silver Surfer.

00:42:47.000 Fantastic Four.

00:42:47.000 I forgot that.

00:42:48.000 What year was that?

00:42:49.000 This was Fantastic Four.

00:42:50.000 Oh, yeah, Fantastic Four.

00:42:51.000 This was pre-2007.

00:42:52.000 This was when Jessica Alba was the Invisible Woman.

00:42:57.000 2007.

00:42:58.000 And the Captain America was the human torch.

00:43:00.000 That guy Chris Evans.

00:43:01.000 Yeah, he was cool.

00:43:02.000 Who played Silver Surfer in this?

00:43:04.000 I don't remember.

00:43:05.000 It might have been all seasonal.

00:43:06.000 He looked the part, though.

00:43:08.000 I thought they nailed it, I thought, in this.

00:43:12.000 The thing looks good.

00:43:13.000 The voice was Lawrence Fishermart.

00:43:15.000 When I was chubby, I looked like Michael Chiklitz.

00:43:15.000 I remember that.

00:43:17.000 Whatever the fuck is it?

00:43:20.000 The Shield.

00:43:21.000 Chicklitz.

00:43:22.000 The Shield movie was a show.

00:43:23.000 Yeah, that was a great show.

00:43:24.000 It kind of looked like the thing.

00:43:26.000 But yeah, I saw that new Fantastic Four movie, and it wasn't overly woke or anything, but they could have done more with the thing.

00:43:34.000 Yeah, I heard he was like a minor part.

00:43:37.000 You know, the girls had the best parts.

00:43:39.000 They're the ones that did the thing with Galactus at the end.

00:43:41.000 No spoilers.

00:43:41.000 I don't know.

00:43:42.000 What fuck.

00:43:43.000 So, you know.

00:43:44.000 But I am happy to say, and I know you were waiting for me to bring it up.

00:43:48.000 I enjoyed the new Superman.

00:43:50.000 I didn't see it yet.

00:43:52.000 Of course not.

00:43:52.000 We're all adults except for me.

00:43:55.000 I want to see it, though.

00:43:56.000 I heard it's good.

00:43:57.000 James Gunn, man.

00:44:00.000 I don't believe I never heard of that song Punk Rocker by Teddy Bears.

00:44:04.000 Oh, that'll change your life.

00:44:06.000 It has Iggy Pop in it.

00:44:08.000 Oh, it gets my nipples hard.

00:44:09.000 It's so good.

00:44:10.000 And the movie, if you like Guardians of the Galaxy, which I'm sure you did, they were good.

00:44:14.000 Then you'll like this because it's just fun.

00:44:17.000 Let's have fun again.

00:44:18.000 I am nothing against the Henry Caval one.

00:44:21.000 He was a badass.

00:44:22.000 He was good.

00:44:23.000 But it was a little, you know, Snyder's got that darker feeling.

00:44:26.000 It's still kind of weird that we still want to see the same fucking characters over and over and over again in different versions of the same movie.

00:44:34.000 Like, isn't it kind of weird?

00:44:35.000 No, because I love it.

00:44:36.000 Some people love those movies.

00:44:37.000 I can understand, but it's like there's a little thing of it that it's like seeking comfort in this thing.

00:44:44.000 Oh, it's Superman again.

00:44:46.000 Like, not letting go of our childhood.

00:44:48.000 100%.

00:44:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:49.000 100%.

00:44:50.000 Because, like, try coming up with a new Superman today.

00:44:53.000 People are going to be like, fuck you.

00:44:54.000 Like, some new kind of comic book guy.

00:44:57.000 Like, no background at all in comic Books.

00:45:00.000 So you come up with a superhero type character now in a movie.

00:45:05.000 No one's going to watch it.

00:45:06.000 Right.

00:45:06.000 Like, I don't want a new one.

00:45:08.000 No one wants a new one.

00:45:09.000 Everyone wants the Hulk.

00:45:10.000 Everybody wants Spider-Man.

00:45:12.000 You want to see Spider-Man?

00:45:12.000 There's like, how many different dudes have been the Hulk?

00:45:14.000 Like four or five dudes.

00:45:17.000 Bunch of dudes.

00:45:20.000 Ed Norton was the best.

00:45:21.000 They got rid of him because he wanted to keep the Hulk like the Hulk.

00:45:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:45:25.000 They didn't liken him as a kid.

00:45:26.000 Yeah, that was my favorite version of the Hulk.

00:45:29.000 Ed Norton movie.

00:45:30.000 And he's running through the favelas in Brazil.

00:45:32.000 Yeah, that was awesome.

00:45:35.000 When the Hulk starts running through that factory and he smashes the whole thing.

00:45:41.000 That's when it was like, you kind of knew it was bullshit.

00:45:44.000 You're looking at it like a CGI.

00:45:46.000 It's okay.

00:45:47.000 It's a comic book.

00:45:48.000 But as long as you keep it kind of darkly lit, you know, don't show me too much.

00:45:53.000 They got better with that.

00:45:54.000 They got better with the.

00:45:55.000 That wasn't too long ago for Hancock.

00:45:57.000 That was a superhero that was just out of nowhere.

00:45:59.000 I can't watch anything with this fucking guy anymore.

00:46:01.000 I didn't want to watch him.

00:46:03.000 He's so shocked.

00:46:03.000 I was about to say, how did you hear him laughing?

00:46:05.000 His whole life.

00:46:06.000 He's real corny.

00:46:08.000 And this guy's doubling down on smacking Chris Rock.

00:46:10.000 You know that?

00:46:11.000 He has a verse.

00:46:12.000 It's like, you disrespect me on the stage.

00:46:14.000 Expect me on the stage.

00:46:15.000 Which is kind of cool saying, but you know, I mean, that was horseshit.

00:46:20.000 He's doubling down on it.

00:46:21.000 Spiral, downward spiral.

00:46:23.000 And then, I mean, you're basically, he stole our show name because he is a cuck.

00:46:28.000 He's saying that.

00:46:31.000 You saw what the hell his wife has humiliated that poor guy.

00:46:35.000 Yeah, publicly.

00:46:36.000 Man.

00:46:37.000 Yeah.

00:46:37.000 That was weird.

00:46:39.000 And he was universally loved, and now he's pretty well almost universally reviled.

00:46:44.000 You know, Chris, and then the music shitty.

00:46:49.000 I was about to say his rap is so trash.

00:46:51.000 Garbage.

00:46:52.000 Sometimes you hit your horse to the wrong wagon.

00:46:55.000 Yeah.

00:46:56.000 And that'll take you on a bad journey.

00:46:58.000 So that'll take you on a bad journey.

00:47:00.000 And you might hang in there for a while and keep your sanity for a while.

00:47:05.000 But eventually, if you're living with someone who's not right for you and there's a lot of tension, which there seems to be with them, a lot of weird shit.

00:47:16.000 Important decision is the spouse.

00:47:18.000 Most important fucking decision.

00:47:19.000 Gigantic.

00:47:20.000 Yeah, I mean, look at the kids.

00:47:22.000 At least the son.

00:47:23.000 Imagine if you had to camp out with your best friend for the rest of your life.

00:47:27.000 You would have to really be careful.

00:47:29.000 Like, I have to pick one dude and I'm going to be able to camp out with him for the rest of my life.

00:47:33.000 Just me and him in a tent for the rest of my life.

00:47:36.000 Nothing.

00:47:36.000 And you get to fuck him.

00:47:38.000 I'm going to say personality.

00:47:41.000 But now you add in sex and the fact that you're not even the same gender.

00:47:41.000 Yeah.

00:47:46.000 You got to be.

00:47:46.000 Yeah.

00:47:47.000 My thing is, I always say, you got to be compatible.

00:47:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:51.000 Me and my wife very compatible.

00:47:53.000 Yeah, me too.

00:47:53.000 Because man, I got lucky.

00:47:55.000 I can't stand anybody.

00:47:56.000 Well, you know, you just got to be picky.

00:47:58.000 And some people aren't.

00:47:59.000 Some people just settle for hot.

00:48:01.000 That's the problem.

00:48:01.000 Yeah.

00:48:02.000 Settle in for a lot of people.

00:48:03.000 And that's always the most dangerous thing.

00:48:04.000 That's the only chart with the hot and the crazy chart.

00:48:09.000 That's the problem.

00:48:10.000 The girls settle for, all right, shit.

00:48:11.000 I got to get a kid soon.

00:48:12.000 I'm going to be 30.

00:48:13.000 You know, so they'll settle for Mr. Good Enough.

00:48:15.000 So that's the most important thing.

00:48:17.000 It's got to be hard for the girls out there, too.

00:48:19.000 Fucking bunch of savvy.

00:48:20.000 It's hard for everybody out there.

00:48:22.000 It's a weird time, and now everybody's on dating apps.

00:48:25.000 So everybody has a new opportunity at every swipe of the finger.

00:48:31.000 Today it's like socially acceptable to be a hoe.

00:48:33.000 I think it's also, there's real concerns that intelligent people have about population decline.

00:48:41.000 That sounds kind of crazy.

00:48:42.000 Like, well, we're not going to population decline.

00:48:44.000 There's plenty of people.

00:48:45.000 But the problem is people are not having nearly as many people, like replacement people.

00:48:49.000 It's like not enough.

00:48:50.000 Like, in order for a society to exist at the same numbers, essentially everyone has to have kids.

00:48:55.000 Right.

00:48:56.000 Right.

00:48:56.000 But a giant percentage of people, like in our generation and younger generations, are not having kids.

00:49:01.000 They're deciding to opt out of it and just focus on their career.

00:49:05.000 They say in Italy and here, I mean, Japan, like they're all having a negative population over the years.

00:49:12.000 Like they're not having enough kids to sustain the population.

00:49:15.000 And you add into that microplastics that are killing everybody's balls.

00:49:21.000 Knocking down your weird.

00:49:24.000 It's like a thing that we don't see coming.

00:49:26.000 You know, we don't see it coming, like real population.

00:49:28.000 But places like Japan are freaking out, man.

00:49:31.000 They're really worried about it.

00:49:32.000 South Korea, same thing.

00:49:34.000 I didn't even know that was a thing.

00:49:34.000 Yeah, it could be a real problem.

00:49:36.000 Well, it just makes sense, man.

00:49:37.000 If you've got everybody just wants to have a career, and if you can't focus on your career because you have kids, you put your kids off till you're in your late 40s.

00:49:44.000 What's the number, like the 2.1 or something?

00:49:46.000 You know, you have to have 2.1 kids in order to maintain just the current level of population.

00:49:52.000 Someone was telling me that in vitro fertilization, which a lot of women use, that those hormones that they have to give you are linked to cancer.

00:50:01.000 Is that true, Jamie?

00:50:01.000 Really?

00:50:04.000 Can you look that up?

00:50:05.000 Because someone brought it up to me, and I was like, I don't know if that's really.

00:50:10.000 And why is testosterone in the younger generation not as strong as it used to be?

00:50:15.000 Microplastics.

00:50:17.000 He had a lady on that went deep into that stuff.

00:50:19.000 I mean, there's no strong evidence to say this is AI.

00:50:22.000 AI is working for the government, man.

00:50:28.000 Okay, let's see.

00:50:29.000 National Institute of Health says transient increase in the risk of having breast or uterine cancer.

00:50:35.000 So as soon as you start admitting things like that to me, and this says no conclusive evidence that fertility 1999.

00:50:44.000 Yeah.

00:50:44.000 Six years old.

00:50:45.000 Right.

00:50:47.000 What does it say?

00:50:48.000 Like, 17 do not.

00:50:51.000 It says doesn't.

00:50:52.000 Treatments do not increase the risk of ovarian cancer, malignant melanoma, or cancers of the endometrium.

00:50:58.000 Hmm.

00:51:01.000 Why am I skeptical?

00:51:02.000 I don't know.

00:51:04.000 Maybe I'm skeptical because you're using Google.

00:51:08.000 Well, I mean, I know, but you know what I'm saying?

00:51:11.000 That's the place to use.

00:51:12.000 But I would wonder how much of that would be available.

00:51:16.000 Like if someone's some sort of an alternative doctor or someone who's stepping outside of the lines and saying, I'm treating a bunch of cases of cancer, like where would you even find that guy's work?

00:51:28.000 I don't know.

00:51:29.000 No idea.

00:51:30.000 Twitter?

00:51:31.000 Yeah, that's the problem, right?

00:51:32.000 You see a thing on Twitter.

00:51:34.000 You're like, is this guy a quack?

00:51:35.000 Right.

00:51:35.000 Is this guy real?

00:51:36.000 But a person told it to me that I trust.

00:51:39.000 And I was like, really?

00:51:40.000 That stuff causes cancer?

00:51:42.000 Because you've got to dose yourself up with a bunch of hormones when ladies do that in vitro fertilization thing.

00:51:51.000 All I know is I like that now at our age, we're all in our 50s.

00:51:55.000 Are you 50 yet, motherfucker?

00:51:57.000 Next year.

00:51:58.000 I'm still in my 40s, man.

00:51:59.000 I mean, are you on T-RT?

00:52:00.000 Are you on TRT yet?

00:52:01.000 Yeah, yeah, I got a little bit of idea.

00:52:04.000 Thank God we have that, man.

00:52:05.000 Because back in the day.

00:52:07.000 Yeah, you'd fall.

00:52:08.000 They'd be fucked up at our best.

00:52:09.000 Back in the day, we would just find it on the street.

00:52:14.000 You had a different neighborhood.

00:52:15.000 But those guys were right.

00:52:16.000 That's what's crazy.

00:52:17.000 It's like old juice heads were right in a lot of ways.

00:52:21.000 There's a lot of old juice heads in the gym that were looking jacked in their 50s and 60s.

00:52:25.000 What is he doing?

00:52:26.000 Bobby just stays on D-ball.

00:52:29.000 These guys are one CC.

00:52:34.000 You would meet people in the gym that would tell you what they do and how they did it.

00:52:38.000 And then you had to take advice from those folks.

00:52:40.000 And a lot of fighters got their.

00:52:42.000 You would think by the time a fighter gets to the UFC, you know, like, wow, he's probably got a professional team behind him, a bunch of really organized folks.

00:52:50.000 Like, no, no, no.

00:52:51.000 These dudes come with sketchy characters.

00:52:54.000 Like, super sketchy connections to the streets.

00:52:56.000 I just read as much as I could, you know, if you were going to try to get as much information as you could about what you're putting in yourself.

00:53:03.000 The best guy is online is Derek.

00:53:05.000 One place now today.

00:53:06.000 He wasn't around in the 80s and 90s.

00:53:08.000 I know, but he's like the best first pro scientist.

00:53:13.000 He's a smart motherfucker.

00:53:14.000 Smart motherfucker.

00:53:16.000 I wouldn't fuck with that myself.

00:53:16.000 Yeah.

00:53:18.000 Like, I go to a place that, you know, they check my blood every six weeks.

00:53:23.000 You got to donate blood now.

00:53:24.000 You got to do this and that so it doesn't get too thick, you know?

00:53:28.000 I heard that before, but I don't have that problem for some reason.

00:53:31.000 Yeah, it doesn't do it.

00:53:32.000 I think it doesn't, you know, every once in a while doesn't do it to everybody.

00:53:35.000 They go donate the blood.

00:53:36.000 No, I was recommended to check it a bunch of times.

00:53:38.000 Like, make sure I'm okay.

00:53:40.000 Yeah, you're perfect.

00:53:42.000 I only had to do the blood twice.

00:53:45.000 You do it every six weeks?

00:53:46.000 No.

00:53:47.000 No, you mean you're getting checked me.

00:53:49.000 They check me, and if it gets too high, my red blood cells or whatever they do.

00:53:52.000 So you're just getting the finger prick to see what you're doing.

00:53:54.000 Yeah, they take a little blood out and then they check it, and then they check all my everything.

00:53:58.000 Well, they can do your red blood cell count.

00:54:00.000 Like, if you go donate blood, they fucking prick your finger and check what your level is.

00:54:04.000 Yeah, I go there.

00:54:05.000 Well, my place finds out first, and then they say, all right, I could either do a dump there, but they don't use the blood.

00:54:11.000 I like to donate it because I feel better about blood.

00:54:13.000 Yeah, I do decide.

00:54:14.000 Do you have unvaccinated blood?

00:54:15.000 Do you have pure blood?

00:54:16.000 I got pure blood, man.

00:54:18.000 I don't.

00:54:19.000 They pay me double three times.

00:54:22.000 I got all three of them.

00:54:23.000 You know what happened there?

00:54:24.000 Yeah, I got all.

00:54:25.000 I had to.

00:54:26.000 Because you had to work.

00:54:26.000 Why?

00:54:27.000 I had to work.

00:54:28.000 You made it what?

00:54:29.000 UFC meeting.

00:54:30.000 They didn't make me.

00:54:30.000 Yeah, they made it.

00:54:31.000 I fucking didn't know shit.

00:54:32.000 But I got to travel, though.

00:54:33.000 If you travel in all of the places.

00:54:35.000 Fuck sad.

00:54:36.000 Some of these countries weren't letting you in without it.

00:54:39.000 Yeah, yeah, they wouldn't let us in without it.

00:54:41.000 When you fucking make someone take something because the only way they could use your service is if they take, because you think that this thing is going to work and it doesn't work, shouldn't you be able to go, fuck you?

00:54:53.000 You made me take this and this thing didn't even work.

00:54:56.000 It didn't even do any of the things you said.

00:54:58.000 I feel bad for the people.

00:54:58.000 Yeah.

00:54:59.000 It's crazy what you can get away with in the world, especially during something like a pandemic, you know, where everybody just agrees to different rules.

00:55:06.000 Because that's what happened during the pandemic.

00:55:08.000 I was thinking about that shit.

00:55:09.000 Are people still dying from COVID?

00:55:11.000 No.

00:55:11.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:55:12.000 Like, what happened today?

00:55:13.000 There's people that are dying with COVID.

00:55:15.000 So there's people that are dying and they also have COVID.

00:55:19.000 But they're dying.

00:55:20.000 And that's the difference.

00:55:20.000 Right.

00:55:20.000 Yeah.

00:55:21.000 And that's why the numbers for the deaths were elevated so high.

00:55:25.000 You got a cancer or you had COVID.

00:55:27.000 It was COVID, bro.

00:55:28.000 Shark attack.

00:55:29.000 Check the fetus.

00:55:30.000 He's got COVID.

00:55:31.000 Yeah, like everybody died of COVID.

00:55:34.000 Because they were financially incentivized people to treat deaths as COVID does.

00:55:39.000 Same with the ventilators.

00:55:40.000 They were getting more money if they had somebody put on a ventilator.

00:55:43.000 And then they find out the ventilators were killing people.

00:55:45.000 Bro, imagine that.

00:55:46.000 There was so much craziness.

00:55:48.000 Like, you know, when we were saying we hope that someone is in charge that knows exactly what to do.

00:55:53.000 And no, there's a lot of times in history you have no idea what the fuck they're doing.

00:55:58.000 And then financial interests get involved.

00:56:00.000 And then they come up with, we're going to just make everybody take this.

00:56:04.000 This is going to be amazing.

00:56:06.000 Yeah, a lot of money.

00:56:09.000 By the way, they all did it.

00:56:11.000 Just take it once.

00:56:13.000 They can't take you to court.

00:56:15.000 And they can't take it.

00:56:15.000 They fuck their liability.

00:56:17.000 Because they called it a vaccine, but it's not even really a vaccine.

00:56:19.000 It's a gene therapy.

00:56:20.000 It's a totally novel new thing that you're giving to 300 million people just in this country alone.

00:56:26.000 The ads were so shady.

00:56:27.000 Like, I'd be in my car and it'd be like two students talking.

00:56:31.000 Like, my parents don't want me to take it, but I'm really nervous.

00:56:34.000 It was like, really crazy.

00:56:35.000 I'm like, what the fuck is this?

00:56:37.000 So nuts.

00:56:38.000 Bro, that's so nuts.

00:56:39.000 You know how many people have stories where they let their kid take it and then the kid has a stroke?

00:56:45.000 They're all over online.

00:56:47.000 Myocarditis was a big thing.

00:56:48.000 Myocarditis.

00:56:50.000 Yeah, there's undiagnosed myocarditis out there too, I bet, where people just feel tired all the time, feel a little fatigued.

00:56:56.000 Yeah.

00:56:57.000 So am I the only one here who got the vaccine?

00:56:59.000 Yeah.

00:57:01.000 Jamie got COVID real early.

00:57:03.000 Jamie survived it early, so I knew I knew it was not that big a deal.

00:57:08.000 Good job, Jamie.

00:57:10.000 Took one for the team, Jamie.

00:57:11.000 Jamie toughed it through.

00:57:12.000 Jamie seems okay.

00:57:14.000 And then Tony Hitchcliffe got it.

00:57:15.000 He got it worse than Jamie.

00:57:16.000 He had it a little longer than you, right?

00:57:18.000 I don't know.

00:57:19.000 You don't remember?

00:57:20.000 Yeah, man.

00:57:23.000 The creepy thing is these motherfuckers, they meet and then they say, oh, there will be another pandemic.

00:57:27.000 You're like, how do you know?

00:57:30.000 Well, what about Biden and friends were trying to sign one with the WHO where they had control over being able to shut the U.S. down and all this nonsense.

00:57:30.000 Yeah.

00:57:40.000 Thank God we pulled right the fuck out of that.

00:57:43.000 What a dumb idea.

00:57:44.000 Let some giant global health organization.

00:57:49.000 It's fully corrupt.

00:57:51.000 Let these motherfuckers run the country because Bill Gates is a core one.

00:57:56.000 Yeah.

00:57:57.000 Just nuts, man.

00:57:59.000 It's just nuts.

00:58:00.000 Crazy shit.

00:58:02.000 Before I got here, I was watching fucking Comzat versus Kamar Uzman.

00:58:09.000 Not to just jump into that now.

00:58:11.000 Yeah, let's jump into it.

00:58:13.000 You know, I had Drake's on Unfiltered the other day.

00:58:15.000 Yep.

00:58:16.000 And, you know, he's an intelligent guy, man.

00:58:19.000 He's not a guy that doesn't do his homework.

00:58:21.000 And he was just saying about everybody talks about how aggressive Comzat is.

00:58:25.000 And he goes, watch his fight in Kamar Uzman in the second round.

00:58:28.000 Over three minutes of him just standing there.

00:58:30.000 Standing there.

00:58:31.000 He's like, he's not going to be able to do that to me.

00:58:32.000 He's going to be working the whole time.

00:58:34.000 He trains so fucking hard that he puts out everything in that five minutes.

00:58:38.000 That one minute gets him right back.

00:58:40.000 It's almost like he approaches that at like five different fights.

00:58:43.000 Like, you know what I mean?

00:58:44.000 Because in that one minute, he comes back down and then he goes back out there again, Dracis.

00:58:48.000 And we were just talking that we saw, you saw the same thing I saw with his grappling ability.

00:58:53.000 He took out a whole I mean, listen, it's different.

00:58:54.000 Those guys are a lot of guard players.

00:58:56.000 But he did a quintet and submitted everybody.

00:59:00.000 Again, they were more jujitsu guys.

00:59:02.000 It's a different type of style, but that was impressive.

00:59:04.000 Not to mention, and I looked, you know, my producers gave me his bio and everything.

00:59:09.000 And I'm like, dude, he started his first thing in the first entry into martial arts was at five years old doing judo.

00:59:15.000 And his second discipline was at 12 years old doing wrestling.

00:59:18.000 I mean, it's not like he's not a grappler.

00:59:20.000 Everybody's just so used to him fucking throwing his bombs and his kicks.

00:59:23.000 Well, you know, I'm on your side with this.

00:59:25.000 We had that talk last night.

00:59:27.000 I know.

00:59:28.000 He's a monster.

00:59:29.000 And there's guys, and you know this because you work with Murab.

00:59:33.000 There's guys that reach this level of discipline and they achieve a level of cardiovascular performance that's just above everybody else's, and then they maintain it.

00:59:42.000 Like they get that advantage and they keep pushing it and they slowly keep adding on to it.

00:59:46.000 Like you're seeing Murab now, particularly in the second O'Malley fight.

00:59:51.000 You're just like a totally different beast.

00:59:54.000 He's super non-stop.

00:59:55.000 Non-stop, and you can't keep up with that.

00:59:58.000 You know, he's like, it's just hard work.

01:00:00.000 It's just hard work.

01:00:02.000 I believe that, but man.

01:00:03.000 Yeah, but state of mind, too.

01:00:04.000 Like, he believes it mentally.

01:00:07.000 But the amount of hard work is extraordinary to get to that level.

01:00:11.000 And I think Dricus is kind of a similar kind of guy.

01:00:15.000 I think that dude works so hard that he can go out there and fight full blast, which is what's weird to when you watch him fight.

01:00:24.000 Like sometimes it doesn't look as clear.

01:00:26.000 He looks like he's mouth-breathing, but he just keeps the same thing.

01:00:28.000 That was a lot of that was the earlier fights before he got his nose fixed.

01:00:31.000 So he got his nose fixed.

01:00:32.000 All right.

01:00:32.000 So he could breathe out of his nose.

01:00:34.000 Changed everything and then went on a tear after that.

01:00:38.000 That's when he crushed Whitaker.

01:00:40.000 Like the Whitaker one was shocking.

01:00:43.000 Because we all know how durable Whitaker is.

01:00:45.000 The Yoel Romero fights.

01:00:46.000 Like that guy's durable as fuck.

01:00:48.000 To watch him just flatten him like that, you're like, whoa.

01:00:50.000 Yeah.

01:00:51.000 Hang on.

01:00:51.000 He's funny.

01:00:52.000 He says he goes, I don't, he's like, I don't have a great polka face.

01:00:55.000 He goes, people say I look tired because I am tired.

01:00:58.000 And when you get tired, you breathe out of your mouth more.

01:01:00.000 And he goes, but even if I am tired, I don't have a poker face, but I'm still coming forward.

01:01:04.000 I'm still going to.

01:01:05.000 And he has, he's got, man, he's got confidence.

01:01:08.000 He's beaming with confidence.

01:01:10.000 He's just that guy.

01:01:11.000 I mean, he's a good champion.

01:01:13.000 He's a great champion.

01:01:14.000 He speaks well.

01:01:14.000 Yeah.

01:01:15.000 Much apart.

01:01:16.000 It's interesting.

01:01:17.000 The Izzy fight.

01:01:18.000 I went and watched that again.

01:01:20.000 And, you know, it seemed like Izzy had an advantage up to a point, but then the pressure got to him.

01:01:26.000 Then he got hit with a couple of those long shots.

01:01:29.000 And it just looked like he just didn't have enough in him to fight his way out of it.

01:01:33.000 And when he went down, he got submitted pretty quickly afterwards.

01:01:36.000 But I would wonder what Izzy in his prime, how that fight would have looked.

01:01:43.000 Because that would have been a lot different.

01:01:44.000 A lot, you know, Izzy in his prime when he was, you know, he was a little quicker, a little bit more angles.

01:01:50.000 Yeah.

01:01:51.000 Also, just hadn't been damaged.

01:01:54.000 And there's the damage of training.

01:01:56.000 But like, Izzy Paulo Costa.

01:01:59.000 That's prime.

01:01:59.000 Yeah.

01:02:00.000 That's prime.

01:02:00.000 Yeah.

01:02:01.000 That's also motivated, Izzy.

01:02:03.000 Like, fuck you.

01:02:05.000 He was sitting down on his shots.

01:02:06.000 Izzy, yeah.

01:02:07.000 Yeah, I mean, put him away quick and then dry humped him.

01:02:10.000 Yeah.

01:02:10.000 You know, don't do that, kids.

01:02:15.000 But that is the that would have been very interesting to see him versus Dricus because he could have handled that pressure.

01:02:21.000 Because that pressure, the pressure is bananas.

01:02:24.000 You know, like Anthony and Hernandez fight last week.

01:02:28.000 Jesus.

01:02:28.000 That pressure is nuts.

01:02:29.000 Crazy.

01:02:30.000 Man, I was like, you couldn't keep up with him, dude.

01:02:32.000 He looked like a different level.

01:02:33.000 He looked great.

01:02:33.000 He's Roman.

01:02:34.000 Looked amazing.

01:02:35.000 He looks like a world champion.

01:02:36.000 He looks like a world champion.

01:02:37.000 I spoiled it for you guys.

01:02:38.000 Sorry about that.

01:02:40.000 No worries.

01:02:42.000 No, I was out.

01:02:44.000 Yeah, when I came home, I was like, fuck.

01:02:46.000 I didn't see it yet, but I watched it as soon as I got home.

01:02:48.000 I was super impressed, man.

01:02:50.000 And that whole division is like, Jesus, there's so many different contenders in that division.

01:02:56.000 You got Bohali.

01:02:59.000 Yeah, this whole fight card.

01:03:01.000 Another dude with a gas tank.

01:03:02.000 Strickland, like, what's going to happen with Strickland?

01:03:04.000 They suspended him indefinitely for punching some dude.

01:03:07.000 Oh, did you see that?

01:03:08.000 Like, he didn't have to do that, man.

01:03:10.000 Those guys got it.

01:03:11.000 Him and Chris Curtis, man, they just, man, you can't fuck with them.

01:03:15.000 Yeah.

01:03:15.000 Because they, yeah, they will not back down.

01:03:17.000 You just can't fuck with them.

01:03:18.000 Yeah, and you can't, but you can't jump into a cage and punch.

01:03:22.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:03:22.000 Like, I don't care in front of everybody.

01:03:24.000 That guy was being a little disrespectful, though.

01:03:28.000 I like Strickland.

01:03:30.000 Fuck that guy.

01:03:31.000 I mean, that was kind of.

01:03:32.000 And then they interviewed that guy after that.

01:03:34.000 He's like, you know, he doesn't have anything on the mic.

01:03:37.000 He's like, yeah, well, it's entertainment.

01:03:38.000 It's like, oh, boy, he was.

01:03:39.000 Jesus.

01:03:40.000 He got his shit what he wanted.

01:03:40.000 He got what he wanted.

01:03:42.000 Yeah, he got his two seconds.

01:03:43.000 But Sean is crazy.

01:03:45.000 Those guys.

01:03:45.000 Yeah, man.

01:03:46.000 He's really late, man.

01:03:47.000 He is what he sells.

01:03:49.000 Yeah.

01:03:49.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:50.000 He walks that fucking shit.

01:03:51.000 He definitely want an act.

01:03:52.000 You ever see when that guy tried to, well, the guy who was like running from the cops and he was sneaking around his house.

01:03:56.000 He comes out of the house.

01:03:57.000 Sean came out with a pistol.

01:03:58.000 Yeah, I did see that.

01:03:59.000 The dude had like crashed DUI and then jumped out of the car running into the wrong fucking yard right into strong Sean Strickland.

01:04:08.000 I mean, a lot of times now, though, waiting to shoot somebody, bro.

01:04:12.000 He sucks.

01:04:13.000 Oh, that's a wet dream for him.

01:04:15.000 Yeah, but you know, nowadays with that guy and being disrespectful like that, there's just so everybody's so used to no repercussions.

01:04:21.000 It's like, yeah, so everybody just gets so much ruder.

01:04:23.000 I always say that.

01:04:25.000 Bring bullies back.

01:04:28.000 The world was a better place.

01:04:30.000 Teach everybody martial arts.

01:04:33.000 I mean, that would help because this just sucks when a guy who is into martial arts like Strickland does something.

01:04:40.000 And you still love him.

01:04:41.000 I told them a story last night where Long goes like, yeah, this kid wants to do an interview.

01:04:46.000 His mother's a little overbearing.

01:04:48.000 And, you know, she's a little crazy.

01:04:50.000 But then, how about the kid?

01:04:51.000 The kid's a nice kid.

01:04:52.000 So I'm like, all right.

01:04:53.000 So after a Saturday class, I got like 60 people.

01:04:56.000 You know, I get up.

01:04:57.000 My nights aren't great because my ulcerative colitis, but you know, I'm energetic.

01:05:01.000 I do my class.

01:05:02.000 I do this thing for this kid, 12-year-old kid, and the mother's like, oh, we want to inspire the youth of today because they're all little shit.

01:05:09.000 She's an Irish lady.

01:05:11.000 And then, so I sit down with this kid.

01:05:13.000 I'm like, all right, you know, he goes, okay, I'm here with freaking UFC legend Matt Sarah, and I'm 12 years old, and yet we managed to be the same exact height.

01:05:25.000 I got fucking, I got, I got blindstarted by this little fuck.

01:05:29.000 So now, and when he said that, the husband and the wife are the husbands behind the cat.

01:05:34.000 I'm like, dude, I'm seeing red.

01:05:37.000 I want to fucking so they're laughing.

01:05:39.000 Oh, they're like, in other words, they want a response.

01:05:42.000 So I'm like, so my first thought was directed towards the father who might have taught this kid no matter.

01:05:48.000 The kid's your size.

01:05:48.000 Stop lying.

01:05:49.000 You wanted to hit him.

01:05:51.000 I wanted to see more than the fucking Loki and that motherfucker.

01:05:54.000 I was going to take that little fuck.

01:05:56.000 So then I remembered that I got my daughters in there.

01:06:00.000 So I go.

01:06:01.000 So he tried to ask me.

01:06:02.000 I go, oh, so I go, who came up with that question, bud?

01:06:05.000 He goes, me, me.

01:06:07.000 Now, this kid knows I can't strangle him.

01:06:09.000 I want to kill his fat father.

01:06:10.000 And then I remembered my three daughters are in there.

01:06:12.000 So I go inside.

01:06:13.000 I go, I can't.

01:06:14.000 I go, give me one second, kid.

01:06:15.000 I go, Maria, this kid's giving me a hard time.

01:06:15.000 I go inside.

01:06:18.000 I want you to roll with him and put it on him.

01:06:20.000 Okay.

01:06:21.000 On my Instagram, this kid wanted clicks, 38,000 views of my.

01:06:28.000 Hello, my daughter, strangled the fuck out of this kid.

01:06:31.000 And we got some clicks.

01:06:33.000 And it was talking shit.

01:06:36.000 Oh, no, he's talking shit to the kid.

01:06:38.000 Repercussions, Joe.

01:06:40.000 Re-fucking percussions.

01:06:42.000 He's my height now, kid.

01:06:46.000 On my Instagram, the video.

01:06:47.000 Oh, you're going to get some clicks on this?

01:06:49.000 Yeah, you want some clicks, you little fuck.

01:06:51.000 And they, you know, oh, you see my daughter.

01:06:54.000 Mercy for the 12-year-old.

01:06:57.000 And then after my daughter said, I go, you want to stop from the feet or throw the foot on the knees?

01:07:01.000 He chose on the knees.

01:07:02.000 You know, my daughter strangles him once.

01:07:04.000 Then I go, I pull him, pull him on top, pull him, and go out.

01:07:06.000 I'm just anything.

01:07:08.000 I just, I go, you're going to make any more short jokes, cameras.

01:07:11.000 No, little fuck.

01:07:14.000 But anyway, I just love jiu-jitsu, man.

01:07:14.000 You know?

01:07:17.000 Shout out to my Maria.

01:07:19.000 But I'm glad I tried.

01:07:21.000 My first instinct was attack the old man.

01:07:23.000 I'm like, you fat fuck.

01:07:25.000 I'm sitting there giving you my target.

01:07:26.000 It's the first question.

01:07:29.000 You get away with that.

01:07:30.000 I know you for 30 years, John.

01:07:31.000 Fuck that little fuck.

01:07:32.000 You know?

01:07:33.000 Joe, who's not right?

01:07:35.000 If you think about like the industry of like trying to keep bodies together, what industry, what sport provides more patience than jiu-jitsu?

01:07:45.000 Oh, goodness.

01:07:46.000 Like, everybody, you know, like, if you think about it, when you get to a certain point and you've been training for a certain amount of time, you're going to get fucking banged up.

01:07:54.000 Like, what sport benefits more from like guys in their 40s and 50s, like peptides and stems?

01:08:01.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:08:03.000 Jiu-Jitsu brings a lot of patience because everybody's hurt.

01:08:06.000 Yeah.

01:08:07.000 Everybody's hurt.

01:08:09.000 Regular 40-year-old dudes aren't hurt all the time.

01:08:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:12.000 They usually work.

01:08:13.000 They go into an office.

01:08:15.000 They don't rarely get knee injuries.

01:08:17.000 Injuries are rare.

01:08:18.000 I'll tell you.

01:08:19.000 40-year-old jiu-jitsu guys, everybody's knees are fucked up.

01:08:21.000 Everybody's fucked up.

01:08:22.000 Everybody's fucked up.

01:08:23.000 Everybody got a hurt shoulder.

01:08:25.000 Everybody.

01:08:25.000 Elbow's fucked up.

01:08:26.000 Everybody got a bunch of people.

01:08:27.000 Peter fucking pickleball.

01:08:30.000 I do a 40 and overnight class every Wednesday.

01:08:33.000 I teach it.

01:08:34.000 Oh, Mimi.

01:08:35.000 And then just to feel like Gordon Ryan, I jump on the old men.

01:08:40.000 I have fun with them.

01:08:41.000 But, dude, they fucking love it.

01:08:44.000 Sometimes when it's less than 20, I'll do like my old school jiu-jitsu gang fight.

01:08:49.000 Everybody, I pick teams.

01:08:50.000 I put this guy over there.

01:08:51.000 I get it kind of even.

01:08:52.000 They all start on their knees.

01:08:53.000 You remember this.

01:08:54.000 We used to do it from the feet back in Henzo.

01:08:56.000 Everybody's breaking their backs, jumping on backs.

01:08:58.000 But when one team, no lower body submissions, could be two-on-one, three-on-one.

01:09:04.000 It stops when one team submits the whole other team.

01:09:07.000 So we got these old men in there, like, they're jumping on back.

01:09:11.000 Dude, they're upstairs in the locker room.

01:09:13.000 It reminds me of the Twilight Zone movie when they play Kick the Kid.

01:09:16.000 They're like little kids up there like talking about.

01:09:18.000 They have such a good time practicing murdering each other.

01:09:22.000 Isn't that funny?

01:09:23.000 It's making it novel like that, making it like a team thing.

01:09:26.000 Oh, it's funny.

01:09:28.000 Especially if you trust each other.

01:09:30.000 If you're training partners, the biggest thing out of an academy is the atmosphere, as you know.

01:09:35.000 So I make sure I pluck guys out on a fucking every month.

01:09:37.000 Somebody comes in, I don't like, all right, keep you a couple hundred dollars, get the fuck out of here.

01:09:41.000 It's all top-down.

01:09:42.000 It all comes down from the attitude of the people that are running the place.

01:09:46.000 Always, always.

01:09:47.000 Yo, do you ever show up at a random jiu-jitsu school and just pop in?

01:09:50.000 No.

01:09:50.000 You can't do that.

01:09:51.000 I haven't rolled at all in a year.

01:09:52.000 No kidding.

01:09:53.000 No.

01:09:54.000 I've had a reoccurring knee issue and a reoccurring lower back issue that I'm trying to get right before I do anything stupid again.

01:10:02.000 Dude, man.

01:10:02.000 Shout out to Bio Accelerator.

01:10:05.000 Oh, that place is great.

01:10:06.000 They're so fucking great.

01:10:07.000 A lot of positive results from that place.

01:10:09.000 I know a lot of people went down there.

01:10:10.000 I was able to throw my right hand again, which I used to wave like fucking this.

01:10:14.000 And now I'm just, I'm so happy I'm able to do it again.

01:10:16.000 Bring it back to the Kamaro fight with Chimaev.

01:10:20.000 Kamaro's been down there too.

01:10:22.000 I was down there a couple years ago.

01:10:23.000 Yeah, it's a lot of UFC guys go down there.

01:10:26.000 Oh, 100% Christian.

01:10:27.000 And now that CPI in Tijuana is a closer, closer trek.

01:10:32.000 That place is really good.

01:10:33.000 And the UFC is affiliated with them now.

01:10:35.000 Yeah.

01:10:35.000 Okay.

01:10:36.000 Very interesting.

01:10:37.000 Yeah, they're really good.

01:10:38.000 I know a lot of people.

01:10:38.000 Eddie Bravo's been down there multiple times, but I know a lot of UFC fighters that have been down there.

01:10:43.000 Man, I've been to the, again, Columbia.

01:10:46.000 What is it?

01:10:46.000 Medelline?

01:10:47.000 Am I saying that?

01:10:47.000 Medaline.

01:10:48.000 Meda Eane.

01:10:48.000 They always fucked that up.

01:10:49.000 But for, hey, the food down there was fucking delicious.

01:10:52.000 Went out there with my Jedi Abe and fucking, he took me into town.

01:10:52.000 Oh, yeah, man.

01:10:56.000 The food, I was eating the bread.

01:10:58.000 I was, and I'm just, again, South America knows how to do it.

01:11:01.000 You know, fuck that pro-mate.

01:11:04.000 It's so good.

01:11:05.000 Yeah, I went down there.

01:11:06.000 Dan Severn was down there.

01:11:08.000 Yeah, Dan the Beast.

01:11:08.000 Dan the Beast.

01:11:09.000 He was in a fucking wheelchair getting rolled around.

01:11:11.000 Oh, no.

01:11:12.000 He's in a wheelchair.

01:11:13.000 No, just for that trip because he was getting the breaker.

01:11:19.000 You got me addicted to these fucking things.

01:11:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:11:21.000 Yeah, you got at home, my Muay Thai coach at home, Vince Mosky, Thai program.

01:11:27.000 He goes, Yeah, tell Rogan, thanks.

01:11:29.000 I tried them fucking Zins, and now I'm addicted to them.

01:11:33.000 I took my whole vacation off of them.

01:11:35.000 And like I said, I was like wondering what it was going to feel like.

01:11:37.000 I was like, oh, my word.

01:11:39.000 It was fine.

01:11:39.000 No, nothing.

01:11:40.000 It was nothing.

01:11:41.000 I just think it's, I think it might be a biological thing.

01:11:44.000 You know, some people, cigarettes, just get them and they just want to smoke cigarettes every day.

01:11:50.000 And some people, nicotine gets them.

01:11:52.000 I think some people could just stop taking nicotine and they seem to be all right.

01:11:56.000 And thankfully, I seem to be one of them.

01:11:58.000 It helps me shit.

01:12:00.000 I do have a lot of people.

01:12:01.000 I just shoot a couple of those with my espresso and a seltzer in the morning.

01:12:05.000 You know, it's terrible.

01:12:05.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:12:06.000 I feel so great.

01:12:07.000 It's terrible for playing pool.

01:12:08.000 If you take too many of them, you're shaky.

01:12:12.000 You don't have a good connection between your movement.

01:12:15.000 You feel like weird when you're shooting.

01:12:18.000 You don't notice it when you're talking because it is a stimulant.

01:12:21.000 So it's like stimulating your brain.

01:12:22.000 It actually helps brain function.

01:12:25.000 Nicotine itself is a nootropic.

01:12:28.000 It's a nutrient that helps brain function.

01:12:30.000 It'll help you pass tests.

01:12:32.000 I think it helps my ADD a little.

01:12:34.000 It probably does.

01:12:35.000 Terrible for pool, though.

01:12:37.000 But I'm still on that alpha brain, so that's all the.

01:12:39.000 That's legit.

01:12:40.000 We got gummies now, too, man.

01:12:41.000 Oh, D?

01:12:42.000 Gummies.

01:12:43.000 Nice.

01:12:43.000 Yeah.

01:12:44.000 Yeah, I'll take some too.

01:12:46.000 I'll give you guys a jar of them.

01:12:48.000 We'll get out of here.

01:12:49.000 How many do you take?

01:12:50.000 I take three.

01:12:53.000 Oh, shit.

01:12:54.000 Back on the Duplessis fight there.

01:12:59.000 I mean, we were talking last night.

01:13:01.000 We both think that DDP can pull this out and win it.

01:13:06.000 And look, we all know Kamzat's a savage.

01:13:06.000 My mindset.

01:13:09.000 He can win it too.

01:13:10.000 Yeah, I could see him going either way in this fight.

01:13:13.000 But if we look at it, I mean, his two toughest opponents, save for Whitaker, who went in there with a broken face and got it broke the rest of the way.

01:13:22.000 Right.

01:13:24.000 You know, Gilbert won 70, and maybe Gilbert won that one.

01:13:30.000 Kamaru 170, took it on very short notice.

01:13:33.000 On the couch off the couch.

01:13:34.000 Almost won that one.

01:13:35.000 If it goes longer, probably he does win that.

01:13:37.000 That was middleweight.

01:13:39.000 Well, yeah, but he's 170-pounder.

01:13:41.000 If he's making 70 all the time and going to 85, now you're fighting a dude that walks at 230, so he's not going to have a big strength advantage over him.

01:13:51.000 Yeah, he's going to be the better wrestler.

01:13:53.000 But I just think that Drickus is going to be able to weather the storm and then come out the other side and it's going to be a problem.

01:14:02.000 And if Kamzat comes in, people are talking about him fighting at a slower pace.

01:14:07.000 Well, that's not his style.

01:14:08.000 And if he fights at a slower pace, I think that plays into Drickus's hands because it will allow him to make it move forward and pressure him and the thing.

01:14:17.000 So it's going to be interesting to see if it gets into deep water.

01:14:21.000 That's what's going to be interesting because I know he started training with Cala Vita.

01:14:26.000 He went for his conditioning.

01:14:27.000 Yeah, he went to Sam Calavita, who trained TJ Dillishaw.

01:14:30.000 He works with Aaron Pico.

01:14:32.000 Armand Sarukian's doing it with him too.

01:14:34.000 And that guy is a legend, man.

01:14:35.000 Cala Vita is a real.

01:14:36.000 No, 100%.

01:14:37.000 He's a real.

01:14:38.000 I believe with cardio too, part of it is your mental, your mindset, like with pushing through the tired.

01:14:45.000 And, you know, we were talking a little last night, and, you know, Kamzat's a bad motherfucker.

01:14:52.000 I don't know about his mind yet.

01:14:55.000 This is what I was getting at.

01:14:56.000 He pulls out of a bunch of fights.

01:14:57.000 Armand Sarukian, who also just pulled out of a fight.

01:15:02.000 But Armand said the problem was Hamzat overtrained for every fight, and he would always come into fights worn out.

01:15:09.000 And that was the difference between working with Cala Vita.

01:15:12.000 They're monitoring his actual recovery.

01:15:15.000 They're making sure they're doing everything scientifically.

01:15:17.000 Calvita, I think his background is in cycling.

01:15:21.000 It was in endurance sports.

01:15:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:24.000 I mean, I'm familiar.

01:15:25.000 I'm familiar with him.

01:15:26.000 I know who he's.

01:15:27.000 I know he was TJ's guy.

01:15:28.000 Nobody knows more about cardio than cyclers because it's all cardio.

01:15:32.000 It's all cardio.

01:15:32.000 The whole thing.

01:15:33.000 So they know.

01:15:34.000 Cardio and EPO.

01:15:35.000 Yeah, they know that, too.

01:15:37.000 They know how to recover, and they know what's your threshold, like where you should be.

01:15:41.000 For sure.

01:15:42.000 So he's using real science to do it.

01:15:44.000 And he's like, this is the first time he's ever been through a camp like this where he's coming in fresh, where he's not overtrained.

01:15:49.000 Well, we're going to see.

01:15:50.000 We're going to see.

01:15:51.000 And my question is, too, if he gets in a bad spot, is he going to push through it?

01:15:56.000 Will the bully crumble?

01:15:58.000 He didn't crumble with Gilbert.

01:15:59.000 He didn't crumble true.

01:16:01.000 He got sat down by Gilbert, too, though.

01:16:03.000 But Drake has even said in that fight, how he started strong.

01:16:07.000 There's a certain amount.

01:16:08.000 He was counting how many minutes he was just standing in front of him.

01:16:11.000 He said that with both those fights.

01:16:13.000 His fight with Gilbert and Kamara Hoodsman.

01:16:15.000 He had the exact amount of time.

01:16:17.000 He goes for three minutes and whatever seconds he was just standing in front of him.

01:16:20.000 He was saying that for both guys.

01:16:22.000 Kamaro was coming on strong in that third round.

01:16:24.000 I know.

01:16:24.000 He was coming to the bottom.

01:16:25.000 If that was a five-round fight, I bet the betting would shift.

01:16:29.000 For sure.

01:16:29.000 Oh, 100%.

01:16:30.000 He started coming on at the end of the second.

01:16:33.000 He started to.

01:16:34.000 In the third round, it was all Usman, I thought.

01:16:37.000 Yeah, I mean, but it is impressive the way that motherfucker can shoot from halfway across the octagon.

01:16:43.000 No one's going to be able to do it.

01:16:45.000 His wrestling, too.

01:16:46.000 Like, I don't know.

01:16:46.000 Do you know Pat Downey?

01:16:48.000 Yes.

01:16:48.000 All right.

01:16:48.000 Well, I've known him since he's a little kid, and he was in Kamzat's camp and said, like, he said his wrestling, he goes, wrestling is like real good.

01:16:57.000 He said he's got top-notch wrestling.

01:16:59.000 Like, he talked about, he said, we probably both did better with each other than you would think.

01:17:02.000 Like, he did better with wrestling, and I did better with Jiu-Jitsu.

01:17:06.000 He said, but he said, like, he said the guy's a beast.

01:17:09.000 He said he's strong, said he's, and he said he's a high-level wrestler.

01:17:12.000 Schaub was down there watching him train.

01:17:14.000 And, you know, they asked Shaab, they asked Shabb to spar with him.

01:17:17.000 He's like, fuck you.

01:17:19.000 He's like, I'm 40-something years old.

01:17:22.000 No, I'm done.

01:17:23.000 I'm not doing this anymore.

01:17:24.000 And he said Hamzat was just lighting people up.

01:17:27.000 He said, he looks really good.

01:17:28.000 Nice.

01:17:29.000 The thing about Hamzat.

01:17:31.000 All these guys were 170s, right?

01:17:33.000 You're right about that.

01:17:35.000 But with 170 comes speed, right?

01:17:37.000 And Hamzat's speed is a factor.

01:17:40.000 It's a big factor with his hand speed.

01:17:42.000 He's, you know, people forget because what he did to Kevin Holland, the way he could ragdoll guys on the ground.

01:17:47.000 But what he did to Gerald Merschart is pretty fucking spooky.

01:17:50.000 Yeah, you know, that's a really good punch.

01:17:53.000 Technical and sharp and straightforward.

01:17:56.000 He's a very well-rounded guy.

01:17:58.000 He's fucking good standing up, man.

01:17:59.000 He's good standing up.

01:18:00.000 And that's where it's going to be weird.

01:18:03.000 That's where I want to see because duplicity makes everybody look stupid.

01:18:07.000 He finds a way.

01:18:08.000 He takes a lot of time.

01:18:09.000 Every mistake is a lot of fun.

01:18:10.000 He must have got a lot of power.

01:18:12.000 But they're not mistakes.

01:18:13.000 For sure has a lot of power.

01:18:15.000 But someone did a great breakdown of what he did with Robert Whitaker, where he set up that right hook.

01:18:20.000 And the way he was recognizing that Whitaker had this certain pattern.

01:18:25.000 And it's not like it looks weird because he just moves different than everybody else.

01:18:32.000 He's stiff.

01:18:32.000 That's all.

01:18:33.000 Whatever it is, it works.

01:18:34.000 It works.

01:18:34.000 And when he hits you, it's like he can't hit by a car.

01:18:37.000 He doesn't have to be that pretty.

01:18:38.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:18:40.000 He's got to have power to make guys so nervous about getting hit by him.

01:18:43.000 Bro, that cat is so big.

01:18:44.000 He looks like a fucking heavyweight when you're next to him.

01:18:47.000 You're like, how are you a middleweight?

01:18:49.000 How are you 185 ever?

01:18:51.000 The thing that I, that comes that I keep thinking about is like, when's the last time he actually, though, fought a guy with Comzat style?

01:18:59.000 I mean, who's ever, who's trying to shoot on him?

01:19:01.000 Besides, maybe there was a Derek Brunson or something.

01:19:03.000 But when's the last time he fought a guy that's just going to be no one has a Hamzat style in the UFC?

01:19:07.000 Well, what I like.

01:19:08.000 But even a grappler, a straight wrestler.

01:19:10.000 DDP said, he said, look, I'm fully prepared.

01:19:12.000 I'm going to get taken down.

01:19:14.000 Like, he's not in there saying, my wrestling, I'm stuffing him.

01:19:17.000 He said, I'm going to get taken down, but I'm going to weather the storm and I'm going to be able to get back up.

01:19:21.000 And I'm going to devise a strong warm-up in a rubber suit.

01:19:29.000 Man, you're slippery as fuck.

01:19:33.000 If you don't want to cheat, you can bend the rules because it's not cheating.

01:19:37.000 I mean, when he gets on top of somebody, man, you definitely don't see guys getting him off of you.

01:19:42.000 Well, when you got a guy who's got, I mean, that actually might not be a bad idea.

01:19:46.000 Give him those tracksuit things.

01:19:48.000 To get warm up with it.

01:19:49.000 Might not be a bad idea.

01:19:51.000 Because you totally can do that.

01:19:52.000 Like, no one could stop you from doing that.

01:19:54.000 Whitaker was defending okay when he was down there.

01:19:57.000 Well, I mean, everybody remembers his teeth getting shattered, but before that, likely he would have survived because Kamaro survived it too, right?

01:20:05.000 It's possible to survive.

01:20:07.000 Unless he just, like, what he did to Kevin Holland was kind of crazy.

01:20:11.000 Holland almost.

01:20:12.000 He just went one to the other.

01:20:14.000 Well, here's the thing, he just crushed him.

01:20:17.000 Gilbert, his guard, kept him out of it.

01:20:20.000 Yep.

01:20:21.000 You got to have a decent guard because he don't like it.

01:20:23.000 When Gilbert started moving his hips, he said, nah, I'm out of here.

01:20:26.000 Gilbert's actually really world-class Jiu-Jitsu.

01:20:28.000 Oh, world-class.

01:20:29.000 Gilbert's world-class.

01:20:31.000 Yeah, Gilbert's dangerous as fuck everywhere.

01:20:33.000 You know, it was interesting watching him roll with Rockhold because I know that, you know, it's not like Rockhold was in camp and prepared for this and this is Rockhold at its best.

01:20:42.000 I don't even know how much he had been training, but Hamza just handled him.

01:20:47.000 Just handled him.

01:20:48.000 And we know how good Rockhold is.

01:20:50.000 Yeah.

01:20:50.000 Very good ones.

01:20:51.000 Bro.

01:20:52.000 Listen, what's so exciting about it is there's a chance he could just take him down and do what he everybody else.

01:20:56.000 There is that chance.

01:20:57.000 Definitely.

01:20:57.000 Because he's so good on the floor and he comes out so aggressive.

01:21:02.000 But if he survives it, you know, history shows.

01:21:07.000 And Does he have the confidence to go for it and possibly empty the gas tank and get the finish?

01:21:14.000 And if he doesn't, how fucked is he?

01:21:16.000 He has no other way.

01:21:17.000 I don't think he came down and smashed.

01:21:19.000 That's what he wants.

01:21:20.000 That's what he's.

01:21:21.000 He makes no, you know, you can't adjust.

01:21:23.000 He's disguising it.

01:21:24.000 You can't adjust now in the world championship fight.

01:21:27.000 You got to just hit the gas.

01:21:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:28.000 That's the sprint.

01:21:29.000 Instinct's going to kick in, and he is a sprinter.

01:21:32.000 Right.

01:21:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:33.000 But that's the question: is can he sprint for five rounds?

01:21:35.000 Because we know DDP can.

01:21:36.000 Right.

01:21:37.000 Him and Stean Strickland, they were ready to have heart attacks at the end of that fight.

01:21:40.000 They were ready to have heart attacks.

01:21:42.000 He's probably like the most elevated heart level we've ever seen in a world championship fight.

01:21:46.000 Getting his nose busted like that.

01:21:48.000 He's still staying in the house.

01:21:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:49.000 He's always fighting with staff.

01:21:52.000 He had staff to the second fight.

01:21:52.000 He had staff.

01:21:54.000 That's why he was listless.

01:21:55.000 Yeah.

01:21:56.000 He was on antibiotics and everything.

01:21:57.000 He's all fucked up.

01:21:58.000 Yeah, it fucking is terrible, man.

01:22:00.000 That happens all the time.

01:22:01.000 Meanwhile, that happened with Murab.

01:22:03.000 He fucking noticed.

01:22:07.000 No one even noticed.

01:22:08.000 He's on antibiotics.

01:22:09.000 Marab is different, man.

01:22:10.000 Murab is so different on antibiotics.

01:22:12.000 He's outworking everybody.

01:22:14.000 Like, that's crazy.

01:22:15.000 That was the.

01:22:17.000 Which fight was that?

01:22:19.000 With the staff?

01:22:20.000 Yeah.

01:22:21.000 Was it the Umar fight?

01:22:22.000 I think it was the Umar fight.

01:22:23.000 It was the Umar fight, which was crazy because there was pace that melted Umar, and he's doing it while he's on the NFL.

01:22:31.000 His back was hurt too for that, wasn't it?

01:22:33.000 Murab, yeah, yeah.

01:22:33.000 There was times he wasn't sleeping through the night.

01:22:35.000 He couldn't.

01:22:36.000 That is different.

01:22:38.000 That is nuts.

01:22:39.000 I saw John Wood the other day.

01:22:40.000 They think they're just going to run through Corey.

01:22:43.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:22:44.000 Murab just going to run through.

01:22:47.000 Somebody back running through him.

01:22:47.000 Well, somebody's going to be a good guy.

01:22:49.000 You got to be real careful with Hubris.

01:22:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:52.000 For sure.

01:22:53.000 Murab's not.

01:22:54.000 That's not Murab thinking like that.

01:22:56.000 That's not Murab saying anything.

01:22:57.000 John Wood said that?

01:22:58.000 Well, he, I mean, Murab could have had leg amputated.

01:23:04.000 Yes, dude.

01:23:06.000 That's Murab.

01:23:07.000 They don't need legs.

01:23:08.000 They could have taken one leg.

01:23:10.000 He said, oh, he was just taping it up and going back to practice.

01:23:14.000 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:23:17.000 Someone close to Murab told me that regular people would have probably had their leg amputated if they had to deal with the staph infection that he had on his leg.

01:23:25.000 He was just like taping it up and going, I don't believe that.

01:23:25.000 Jesus.

01:23:28.000 Whoever told you that, that's not true.

01:23:29.000 They would put antibiotics on that.

01:23:32.000 That's not true.

01:23:33.000 They don't just randomly amputate people's legs.

01:23:35.000 I hope.

01:23:37.000 It said he had broken his hand early in the fight.

01:23:37.000 I hope.

01:23:40.000 Oh, Number Gomedoff did.

01:23:42.000 He said he broke my back in training camp, but some days I couldn't get up from the bed.

01:23:47.000 I just laid down.

01:23:48.000 I don't have a training camp.

01:23:50.000 I don't have a Khabib Nubra Gabetov to help me train.

01:23:53.000 Some days at the PI was closed.

01:23:55.000 It was Christmas.

01:23:56.000 It was New Year's and weekends.

01:23:57.000 And it happened a couple of times.

01:23:58.000 Umar was there.

01:23:59.000 The security goes, I'm sorry, we can't let you go in.

01:24:05.000 Yeah, Murab's different.

01:24:06.000 Yeah, Murab's built different, man.

01:24:08.000 But there's also something about dudes that are from that part of the world.

01:24:08.000 Yeah.

01:24:13.000 That is a war-torn part of the world.

01:24:15.000 And it makes a different kind of man.

01:24:17.000 He's the American dream, man.

01:24:19.000 I just had him on my pod, and we were talking for over an hour about his whole journey.

01:24:24.000 And dude, when he came over, he did not see him.

01:24:27.000 Like, I couldn't even communicate with him.

01:24:29.000 I could because I have a way, but he didn't speak any English.

01:24:32.000 When I see him doing the skits now, the chicken banana.

01:24:37.000 He's funny as shit.

01:24:39.000 He's funny.

01:24:40.000 He's just, he goes back.

01:24:42.000 And now he goes back to his to Georgia, just have the chariots next to him.

01:24:47.000 This dude trying to jump on the bus.

01:24:49.000 It makes me so happy, man, because you've seen his whole journey.

01:24:51.000 When he first came to New York, he was got linked up with fucking retards.

01:24:56.000 And these guys were morons.

01:24:58.000 And thank God he went into Longo at the head of Racy Academy.

01:25:03.000 And then he found his way to Longos.

01:25:06.000 That's a problem, right?

01:25:07.000 If you don't know where to go and you wind up at a real bad camp and then they claim you forever.

01:25:12.000 Oh, man.

01:25:13.000 He had him doing the gold.

01:25:14.000 He had to do the gold.

01:25:15.000 Just like a bad wife.

01:25:16.000 This guy was up.

01:25:17.000 That's what I always say.

01:25:18.000 It's like a bad marriage.

01:25:19.000 It's just like a bad marriage.

01:25:20.000 Yeah.

01:25:21.000 Yeah.

01:25:22.000 But he found his way.

01:25:24.000 Yeah.

01:25:24.000 Oh, you guys are so good.

01:25:26.000 You and Longo without a doubt need a reality show.

01:25:30.000 Some sort of reality show with you two guys coaching people and then going to dinner with the sucking shit.

01:25:35.000 It would be a great show.

01:25:36.000 I fucking love it when you guys, I would really love it when you guys were, you know, in the corners when you get mic'd up.

01:25:44.000 He's the best.

01:25:45.000 We have a good time.

01:25:46.000 It's great.

01:25:47.000 The two of you guys together, it's a fun team.

01:25:49.000 Everybody says that.

01:25:50.000 Everybody wants to see a show with you guys.

01:25:51.000 I told him last night when he's on your podcast, he's the best.

01:25:54.000 You know what's so cool now, man?

01:25:56.000 I have my 16-year-old over there.

01:25:57.000 He's holding for us.

01:25:58.000 It just makes me sad.

01:25:59.000 Oh, my God.

01:25:59.000 That gets me emotional.

01:26:00.000 That's awesome.

01:26:01.000 It's so cool, man.

01:26:02.000 You know, he's 67.

01:26:04.000 He's still fucking going, man.

01:26:05.000 Longo.

01:26:05.000 He's the best.

01:26:06.000 He's such a Ray's awesome.

01:26:07.000 But you two in the corner are so uniquely fun.

01:26:09.000 It's so fun to watch.

01:26:11.000 Like, if I was a television producer, I'm like, that is a no-brainer.

01:26:15.000 We took our guy down to the flagpole.

01:26:17.000 Jamie Paramount Plus.

01:26:19.000 Yeah.

01:26:19.000 Listen to this.

01:26:19.000 Paramount Plus, new merger, whatever was happening.

01:26:23.000 We got some content here.

01:26:24.000 It's exciting, I guess.

01:26:24.000 New deal.

01:26:26.000 I think so.

01:26:27.000 You and Ray Longo, Paramount Plus, going to pizza places, talking shit.

01:26:32.000 I'm not against it.

01:26:34.000 Going to the fights.

01:26:35.000 Going to the fights, like talking about your fight.

01:26:38.000 See, it's like a built-in show.

01:26:39.000 You have fighters that you're training.

01:26:41.000 You talk about how he's doing.

01:26:43.000 Talk about how he came to you.

01:26:45.000 You two guys just talk about the world.

01:26:47.000 Yeah.

01:26:47.000 Fucking promises out there.

01:26:48.000 Somebody get a listener.

01:26:50.000 He keeps dinging.

01:26:51.000 Is that me?

01:26:52.000 It might be me.

01:26:52.000 It's not me, is it?

01:26:53.000 I don't think it's me.

01:26:54.000 I'm pretty sure I'm airplane dude.

01:26:56.000 I think it's me.

01:26:57.000 Yeah, it's totally a built-in show.

01:27:01.000 You can't miss.

01:27:02.000 We have a good time.

01:27:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:05.000 Like, you should do it.

01:27:06.000 You know, if you have the time.

01:27:09.000 All I'm doing is you can find me at my school or my podcast, and that's every channel on YouTube.

01:27:17.000 I'm having fun with that.

01:27:18.000 So what?

01:27:19.000 Guys?

01:27:20.000 And then, dude, I'm having, dude, I do movie reactions.

01:27:23.000 You know what I do with that?

01:27:24.000 I watch a movie and they.

01:27:26.000 They react in real time?

01:27:28.000 I'm just talking shit, watching a movie.

01:27:29.000 Oh, that's great.

01:27:30.000 It's fucking fun.

01:27:31.000 I play my VR, which is fucking fun.

01:27:34.000 And then I have people in, like I had Marab and I, oh, I had Keith Jardine the other day.

01:27:39.000 Keith Jardine, man, let's plug his new movie.

01:27:43.000 What the fuck?

01:27:44.000 Kill me again.

01:27:46.000 Me and my wife went to Tribeca for the, and I saw Tate.

01:27:49.000 Your buddy Tate Fletcher.

01:27:49.000 Tate's in it.

01:27:50.000 What a sweetheart they are.

01:27:51.000 He's the best.

01:27:52.000 He's such a nice guy.

01:27:53.000 Just want a guy you want to hug.

01:27:54.000 He's a big, huggable person.

01:27:55.000 Huggable Bear.

01:27:57.000 And it's almost this movie, Kill Me Again, right?

01:28:00.000 He written and directed it, Keith Jardine.

01:28:02.000 And it's basically Groundhog Day, but a serial killer.

01:28:05.000 Oh, jeez.

01:28:06.000 Oh, it's fucking, it's really good.

01:28:07.000 It was, I mean, listen, I wouldn't even bring it up if I thought it was shit, to be honest.

01:28:12.000 It was a fun movie.

01:28:13.000 You can get it on Amazon.

01:28:14.000 I believe you.

01:28:14.000 I went on.

01:28:15.000 Yeah, is it on Amazon Prime now?

01:28:17.000 It's on Amazon Prime.

01:28:18.000 You can buy it.

01:28:19.000 It came out August 8th.

01:28:20.000 And I'm proud of him.

01:28:21.000 And what a sweetheart that guy is.

01:28:23.000 Keith Jardine.

01:28:23.000 Jardine's awesome.

01:28:25.000 He was in a great movie called Shot Caller.

01:28:28.000 Shot Caller.

01:28:29.000 That was a good movie.

01:28:30.000 Fuck, Jamie Landis.

01:28:31.000 Jamie Landis.

01:28:32.000 He's driving drunk with his couple.

01:28:34.000 He's like a yuppie with another couple.

01:28:37.000 Something happens.

01:28:39.000 The guy gets killed in the back seat.

01:28:40.000 He goes to jail, kind of like, you know, white-collared.

01:28:44.000 Next thing you know, he's got a fucking show.

01:28:45.000 He's not a bitch.

01:28:47.000 And now he's a hardened motherfucker.

01:28:48.000 He's fucking shanking people.

01:28:50.000 John Bernathal's in there.

01:28:52.000 Shot caller.

01:28:52.000 You like it.

01:28:53.000 Shot caller is in the car.

01:28:54.000 Oh, I remember that.

01:28:55.000 Look at this.

01:28:56.000 This was a good fucking movie.

01:28:57.000 And Keith Jardine, Keith Jardine is in this.

01:29:01.000 Was Keith a bounty hunter?

01:29:03.000 No, he was in his call.

01:29:04.000 But was he an actual bounty hunter in real life?

01:29:07.000 Shit.

01:29:08.000 Man, he didn't bring that up on the show.

01:29:10.000 Unless he did, I would have remembered.

01:29:11.000 See if that's true.

01:29:13.000 He was, I went over his whole fucking show.

01:29:15.000 I hope I'm not imagining.

01:29:16.000 He was more of a grappler than he was even a striker.

01:29:18.000 Yeah, he was a bounty hunter.

01:29:19.000 He was a fucking bounty hunter.

01:29:20.000 Jardine worked as a personal trainer, firefighter, football coach, minor, and bounty hunter.

01:29:25.000 Miner and bounty hunter.

01:29:26.000 That's two of the hardest fucking human beings that have ever lived.

01:29:29.000 Connected.

01:29:31.000 It's so funny, though.

01:29:32.000 He's very soft-spoken, though.

01:29:33.000 He's very nice.

01:29:35.000 He's a great guy.

01:29:35.000 He looks like a fucking awesome fights.

01:29:37.000 I asked him if he ever, because I said, you know, sometimes I'm at a UFC thing and they'll go, oh, yeah.

01:29:41.000 Joe, can I have a picture?

01:29:42.000 I go, the wrong ball guy.

01:29:44.000 I asked him, I asked him.

01:29:46.000 He asked me about Dane.

01:29:47.000 They think I'm Dana.

01:29:48.000 I asked him, I go, look, I go, you got to answer this for me because have you ever been mistaken for the techno-viking?

01:29:58.000 You know who that guy is.

01:29:59.000 He does look like him.

01:30:00.000 You know, he does look like a man.

01:30:01.000 He looks exactly like Jamie.

01:30:04.000 The Techno-Viking.

01:30:05.000 He's a fucking guy.

01:30:07.000 Jamie pointed out that that might have been staged.

01:30:10.000 Really?

01:30:11.000 I don't know.

01:30:12.000 Jamie, Jamie.

01:30:12.000 That looks like it's a good idea.

01:30:13.000 Jamie ruins it for me, the techno-viking.

01:30:16.000 Jamie does not like the wool being pulled over his eyes, so he thinks that everything is staged.

01:30:20.000 I don't know.

01:30:21.000 So this guy's like Keith Jardine.

01:30:21.000 There he is.

01:30:23.000 He came in.

01:30:24.000 He kicks the guy.

01:30:24.000 He looks just like Keith Jardine.

01:30:26.000 Hey, it's already questionable that's being filmed.

01:30:28.000 And this guy's like center stage.

01:30:30.000 He's do have a point there.

01:30:33.000 Give this guy a bottle of water.

01:30:33.000 You got a point.

01:30:35.000 Let's fucking go.

01:30:36.000 Let's go.

01:30:37.000 Yeah, so there he goes.

01:30:40.000 If I was still clubbing, this is how I look.

01:30:43.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:30:43.000 Look at him.

01:30:45.000 He's all mollied up.

01:30:46.000 He's ready to go.

01:30:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:30:47.000 Mollied.

01:30:48.000 He's probably got.

01:30:49.000 That guy's a boss.

01:30:50.000 He's probably got one of them cruising doses in his system.

01:30:53.000 He's got his minions behind him carrying his bottle.

01:30:56.000 Probably legit Viking jeans, too, man.

01:30:59.000 At least some of them.

01:31:00.000 Fucking looks like it.

01:31:01.000 Yeah.

01:31:01.000 Got his Thor's hammer around his neck.

01:31:03.000 Well, he looks like the 21st century version of it.

01:31:06.000 Yeah.

01:31:07.000 You know, what would come on, man?

01:31:09.000 The original Vikings probably looked like those strongmen dudes that you see coming out of Iceland.

01:31:09.000 Look at that.

01:31:13.000 I bet that's what showed up on the fuckers.

01:31:15.000 Can you try to imagine that?

01:31:17.000 A bunch of half-thor Bjornson showed up.

01:31:20.000 Bro, who's that guy, that Viking dude that fights in Welterway?

01:31:24.000 He just fought Chaos Williams.

01:31:26.000 Oh, the one looks like a fucking caveman.

01:31:30.000 And he brought his name.

01:31:32.000 I'm trying to think of it.

01:31:33.000 He got famous for being ugly.

01:31:35.000 Is it Andreas?

01:31:36.000 What is his name?

01:31:37.000 Yeah.

01:31:38.000 Yeah.

01:31:39.000 He looks just like Keith Jardine.

01:31:41.000 That's crazy.

01:31:43.000 It is Andreas.

01:31:44.000 Jamie, could you go to Chaos Williams Wikipedia, look up his MMA career?

01:31:50.000 Because Chaos is fucking good, man.

01:31:53.000 He's hard.

01:31:54.000 He's a dangerous guy.

01:31:55.000 He got worn to fuck this out by this.

01:31:57.000 This is another one of those dudes.

01:31:59.000 Me and DC have been talking about this.

01:32:01.000 Extreme physicality is a tool.

01:32:05.000 And Coleman used to say this.

01:32:06.000 Coleman used to say that strength is a skill.

01:32:09.000 And I was like, it kind of is a skill.

01:32:11.000 Andreas Gustafson.

01:32:13.000 Yeah, this guy's fucking terrifying.

01:32:15.000 He's a different dude.

01:32:16.000 And what you should see, go to Andreas Gustafson Workout.

01:32:22.000 Just Google workout.

01:32:24.000 And this dude is a hardcore powerlifter.

01:32:30.000 Like, when you see some of the shit he's doing, the amount of strength that this guy has, you're like, oh, Jesus.

01:32:36.000 Like, there's guys that are not that big, right?

01:32:40.000 Like, you know, see that janitor who pulls pranks on Instagram, who walks up to these big meetings and lifts up the stuff.

01:32:47.000 He's not that big, though.

01:32:49.000 But these super strong dudes who practice powerlifting, you can be incredibly strong and not look like a bodybuilder.

01:32:58.000 That's this guy.

01:32:59.000 He's a 185.

01:33:00.000 No, he's a 75.

01:33:01.000 No, excuse me.

01:33:02.000 170.

01:33:03.000 170.

01:33:03.000 Oh, man.

01:33:04.000 But this motherfucker is so strong, man.

01:33:08.000 When he gets a hold of guys, he's just ragdolling people.

01:33:12.000 You know, Chaos has been very consistent in his career with good takedown defense.

01:33:17.000 He knows how to fight guys off, dangerous striker.

01:33:21.000 And he couldn't do shit to this guy.

01:33:22.000 It was like one-sided ass whooping, like a real one-sided ass whooping that I didn't expect.

01:33:30.000 I was like, that is, I thought it'd be a good fight.

01:33:33.000 And it was just a mauling, man.

01:33:35.000 I thought Chaos was going to clip him.

01:33:36.000 He can easily have the power that Chaos has.

01:33:40.000 He puts guys out with one shot, but this dude just tucks his chin down and wades bombs at you until he gets a grip on you and then just starts throwing you around.

01:33:51.000 He's 170.

01:33:52.000 He's well.

01:33:53.000 He's 170.

01:33:54.000 I'll tell you who's the dark horse in that division.

01:33:56.000 Pretty good.

01:33:57.000 Sean Brady.

01:33:58.000 Oh, Sean Brady.

01:34:00.000 I don't even think he's the dark horse.

01:34:03.000 After that Leon Edwards fight.

01:34:04.000 People aren't talking about him enough, though.

01:34:05.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:34:06.000 Bro, that Leon Edwards fight was crazy.

01:34:08.000 I'll be with them tomorrow.

01:34:09.000 Yeah, tomorrow, yeah.

01:34:11.000 Dude, he's looking great, Sean Brady.

01:34:12.000 I love his father.

01:34:13.000 He's a monster.

01:34:14.000 It's so funny.

01:34:14.000 He's a monster.

01:34:15.000 I had him on, and he's like, you know, people always talking about me being short for wealth to wade.

01:34:19.000 I'm 5'9.

01:34:20.000 It's not like I'm 5'6.

01:34:21.000 I'm like, ah!

01:34:23.000 Sean!

01:34:24.000 I'm your fan!

01:34:25.000 Come on, man!

01:34:27.000 No, it's funny.

01:34:28.000 He's got a turtle muscle on his back.

01:34:31.000 He's trying to get a crush your head muscle.

01:34:33.000 He's trying to get that Ian Gary fight.

01:34:34.000 I love his favorite.

01:34:35.000 Is that what he's looking for?

01:34:36.000 Well, he'll fight anybody.

01:34:38.000 Well, you know, I would love to see him fight for the title.

01:34:42.000 I mean, I think that's a reasonable fight.

01:34:46.000 Like with Jack Della, like, who's next after if Jack Della and Islam fight, which seems to be exactly what's going to happen, who's next after that?

01:34:54.000 Like, who's in number one position right now?

01:34:56.000 I think Ian Gary has to be up there.

01:34:58.000 It's either Sean or Bilal.

01:35:01.000 Well, right.

01:35:02.000 Ian Gary has one loss, right?

01:35:04.000 Yeah, because he's just a shot.

01:35:09.000 Shove it.

01:35:10.000 Right.

01:35:10.000 Real close fight, but that one loss set him back a little bit.

01:35:13.000 So Bilal's number one.

01:35:15.000 But, you know, I bet they're going to want Bilal to fight somebody else.

01:35:21.000 They seem to have a heart on for Bilal.

01:35:25.000 Nice looking guy.

01:35:25.000 You know what I mean?

01:35:27.000 The numbers don't mean that's the fight that gets made.

01:35:31.000 Right.

01:35:31.000 Not always.

01:35:32.000 I think Sean Brady's only the only problem, the only one loss he has is from Bilal, right?

01:35:36.000 Can you put that back up, Jamie, so I can see who else is in there?

01:35:39.000 No, man.

01:35:40.000 So it's like, if you look at that division, you know, that division has gone through so many different changes.

01:35:47.000 So you've got Shavcott, who just had some kind of surgery that's undisclosed, right?

01:35:52.000 We don't know what injury he's recovered from, but he had like a pretty significant injury, apparently.

01:35:57.000 And then you got Leon, Kamaru.

01:36:01.000 Michael Morales is the real dark horse of that division.

01:36:04.000 Right.

01:36:05.000 He fucked Gilbert Burns.

01:36:07.000 He fucked him up.

01:36:07.000 Yeah, that looked like Gilbert just didn't belong in there.

01:36:10.000 Sure did.

01:36:11.000 And that's weird to see, right?

01:36:13.000 I don't know if Gilbert fan.

01:36:14.000 A lot of miles, a lot of fights.

01:36:16.000 Yeah, I'd like to see Sean Brady get his shot.

01:36:19.000 That's what we're working on.

01:36:21.000 Dean Thomas, he must be strong.

01:36:23.000 He's strong as fuck.

01:36:24.000 He's fucking strong.

01:36:25.000 Yeah, he wears all of us.

01:36:27.000 Dude, I like his positional.

01:36:28.000 His jiu-jitsu's very, very good for fighting.

01:36:32.000 I'll tell you, nowadays, I can't even watch some jiu-jitsu matches.

01:36:35.000 I watch, it's just fucking a lot of scissoring and I'll tell you what, man.

01:36:38.000 I was blown away by Kamaru versus Joaquim Buckley.

01:36:42.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:36:42.000 I was blown away.

01:36:43.000 He looked great.

01:36:44.000 He looked like Kamaru the champion.

01:36:44.000 He looked good.

01:36:46.000 He looked like the champion.

01:36:46.000 He was a good job.

01:36:48.000 He looked like if Joaquin was challenging Kamaru for the title, that's the Kamaru that you would expect to see.

01:36:54.000 That's what he looked like.

01:36:57.000 He showed some good IQ.

01:37:00.000 Intelligent fight.

01:37:01.000 The ability to move, right?

01:37:02.000 Like, you didn't seem hampered by his knees, all the things that people talk about.

01:37:05.000 And that's what we thought it was going to seem.

01:37:06.000 We thought it was an old-ass man with them bad knees.

01:37:09.000 Didn't look bad at all.

01:37:10.000 And I think, you know, it's a lot of it is mental strength, of sure.

01:37:13.000 But it's also like he hasn't really taken a lot of damage other than the big high kick from Leon.

01:37:19.000 And, you know, if you go and you watch his fights, he had a pretty good war with Colby before he won.

01:37:26.000 I mean, they exchanged a lot of blows.

01:37:29.000 You know, Gilbert dropped him.

01:37:31.000 Remember that?

01:37:32.000 But overall, not a lot of damage in his career.

01:37:34.000 Mostly he's been the dominator.

01:37:36.000 You know, so even though he's 37, I think.

01:37:39.000 Yeah.

01:37:39.000 He's still pretty fresh.

01:37:41.000 I thought it was good to see him go back to his wrestling roots a little bit.

01:37:45.000 A lot of times the wrestlers get good with their hands and all of a sudden they forget about what got him to the show and he just straight manhandled it.

01:37:52.000 Yeah, he did, but he also looked good on the feet, man.

01:37:55.000 He looked good everywhere in that.

01:37:57.000 Disciplined and just good straight punches.

01:37:59.000 Everything looked great.

01:38:00.000 Sean Brady looked great in his last fight with his hands too.

01:38:03.000 100%.

01:38:04.000 And to do that to Leon, well, you know, Leon knows he can't lose again.

01:38:08.000 He lost the title and he wants to come back and get it back.

01:38:12.000 And now all of a sudden you got this turtle shell motherfucker in front of you.

01:38:17.000 Right.

01:38:18.000 Who just seems insanely strong.

01:38:20.000 How's Kobe still in these rankings?

01:38:21.000 I was thinking when I saw it.

01:38:24.000 Kind of crazy.

01:38:25.000 I wonder how much of that would be because he's still super valuable.

01:38:30.000 Yeah, because if you're a guy, why kick him out?

01:38:30.000 He's got to be.

01:38:33.000 If you're a guy like Shovcot and they offer you Colby, you know, in the main event of a fight night or something like that.

01:38:39.000 Yeah.

01:38:39.000 Like that's a great fight for both guys.

01:38:42.000 They'll probably make way more money.

01:38:43.000 So how does that work with Paramount now?

01:38:45.000 I don't know.

01:38:46.000 Here's the question.

01:38:47.000 I thought you'd have the inside.

01:38:49.000 Yeah, man.

01:38:50.000 I don't talk to Dana about business.

01:38:51.000 Right.

01:38:52.000 You know?

01:38:52.000 Yeah.

01:38:53.000 I heard they're raising the.

01:38:54.000 I'm more of a socialist when it comes to that shit.

01:38:58.000 I would be the worst.

01:38:59.000 They'd fucking fire me for sure.

01:39:01.000 I would change the pay structure immediately.

01:39:03.000 You know.

01:39:05.000 But I wonder if you're no pay-per-view.

01:39:08.000 Yeah, you want a mint?

01:39:09.000 Like, That's the mind mints.

01:39:10.000 That's neurogum.

01:39:12.000 The neural mints.

01:39:13.000 I had the gum.

01:39:14.000 Ooh, a mind mint.

01:39:15.000 You want one?

01:39:16.000 I need it for my fucking brain.

01:39:18.000 Give me some of that.

01:39:19.000 We got one left in there.

01:39:20.000 Nice.

01:39:21.000 Oh, thank you.

01:39:21.000 Take the last one.

01:39:22.000 It looks dirty on the animal.

01:39:23.000 You want some of that crap?

01:39:24.000 No, I'm good.

01:39:25.000 I had a gummy.

01:39:26.000 Yeah, gummies.

01:39:28.000 Yeah, I'm always giving myself mind mints and all that shit, and I'm still stupid.

01:39:32.000 What were we just talking about?

01:39:34.000 The pay structure.

01:39:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:36.000 So they used to get the money from pay-per-view, right?

01:39:38.000 So if you're a guy like Conor McGregor that's going to get 2 million pay-per-views, you get a percentage of that, and you're set for life, right?

01:39:46.000 You get one big one like that, and woo!

01:39:49.000 How does that work now?

01:39:50.000 How does it work now if it's for free?

01:39:50.000 So how does that work now?

01:39:52.000 There's no more pay-per-view.

01:39:53.000 He did say, I did hear him saying he's up in the fight night.

01:39:56.000 Yeah, the bonuses.

01:39:58.000 I did see that.

01:39:59.000 The low-hanging fruit, that's easiest to answer.

01:40:01.000 Bonuses are obviously going up.

01:40:03.000 That's great.

01:40:04.000 That'll be big.

01:40:05.000 And forget about the tide rising with all the other fighters.

01:40:08.000 Just the number the bonuses bring to a fighter, it's millions of dollars.

01:40:11.000 Okay, well, that's great.

01:40:13.000 Okay, so then there's a bonus structure like if that many people watch your thing, you get millions of dollars.

01:40:19.000 That's what he said.

01:40:20.000 That would be cool.

01:40:20.000 That sounds great.

01:40:22.000 Paramount's got a ton of loot.

01:40:25.000 And this is a great move for them.

01:40:26.000 And good content, too.

01:40:27.000 Do you think people are going to sign up for Paramount Plus if you get free UFCs forever?

01:40:32.000 And South Park.

01:40:33.000 That's crazy.

01:40:34.000 And South Park, right?

01:40:35.000 And South Park.

01:40:36.000 And a bunch of other shows, too.

01:40:37.000 This is a shitload of shows.

01:40:39.000 All of Taylor Sheridan's shows are all Paramount shows.

01:40:42.000 But did anybody see this coming?

01:40:43.000 No one saw this coming just.

01:40:44.000 No one saw this coming back.

01:40:46.000 Bro, I'm tight with Dana, and I talked to him.

01:40:48.000 We were talking about the problems with this and the problems with that.

01:40:51.000 But I need to ask him this weekend in Chicago if it's true that the Netflix people wanted to stop the fights in the Apex.

01:40:58.000 They didn't want any fights in the Apex.

01:40:59.000 They wanted fights with big crowds.

01:41:01.000 Like they wanted to be big.

01:41:01.000 Yeah.

01:41:03.000 We want it to be big, big, big.

01:41:04.000 Like all the fights, big, big, big, yeah.

01:41:06.000 One of the best heavyweight fights of all time in terms of like the result was Francis Ngano versus Steve Miocic with no crowd at all in the Apex in the small ring.

01:41:17.000 It was like one of the best experiences.

01:41:19.000 You want to watch a guy in his prime who's fucking terrified, who's figured it all out versus a guy who's got, he's a legend, he's a champion, but he's got a lot of miles on him and there's a lot of wars.

01:41:32.000 And you see it with no one there.

01:41:33.000 You're hearing the huff and huff of each breath.

01:41:36.000 Every time Francis hits him, you fucking feel that thud in your cells.

01:41:42.000 Hey, you done got to sell me, man.

01:41:43.000 I love watching fights at the apex.

01:41:46.000 I love it.

01:41:46.000 It's my favorite.

01:41:47.000 Me too.

01:41:48.000 I mean, I really believe that the smaller cage just forces more action.

01:41:53.000 That's why the fights are so good.

01:41:54.000 I always wanted her to stay with downsize the arena cage because of the quality of the fights that was in the smaller cage.

01:42:02.000 The problem with that is, like, when you got a guy that is just very footwork-based and has developed his style, you're fucking large.

01:42:10.000 You're fucking him.

01:42:11.000 He's developed his style based on his ability to move around a full-size cage.

01:42:16.000 The Netflix thing is from a troll account, I think.

01:42:18.000 Oh, trolls did it?

01:42:19.000 I think so.

01:42:20.000 Oh, that's good.

01:42:22.000 Well, who knows why they decided to not do it, but man, whoever gets the UFC and does the no pay-per-view model, you just gained millions of subscribers instantaneously.

01:42:36.000 100%.

01:42:37.000 100%.

01:42:38.000 Because everybody's going to get every pay-per-view now for free.

01:42:38.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:42:40.000 You're going to be scrolling through the channels like, oh, let's see who's fighting.

01:42:43.000 I wonder how much money I'll save a year and then save me 80 a month or two.

01:42:48.000 You know, you tune it in and you watch one Alex Pereira high kick knockout.

01:42:52.000 You're like, oh, shit.

01:42:54.000 And then you're hooked.

01:42:55.000 And then the next time it's on, you're like, oh, the UFC's on.

01:42:58.000 And then boom, you've got more fans.

01:43:00.000 I mean, it's the most exciting to this average spectator because you don't have to know anything.

01:43:06.000 You have to know shit to watch guys just go to war.

01:43:09.000 True.

01:43:10.000 I'm just surprised that ESPN didn't step up.

01:43:15.000 I mean, at 7.7, that's what I'm saying.

01:43:16.000 At 7.7, they probably was like, nah, we're good.

01:43:19.000 Their app was shit anyway.

01:43:21.000 Well, Paramount's giving them a billion dollars a year for seven years.

01:43:25.000 I mean, that's wild.

01:43:26.000 That's a lot of loot.

01:43:27.000 Yeah.

01:43:28.000 Yeah.

01:43:29.000 I'm excited about that Aaron Pico.

01:43:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:33.000 This whole card is excited.

01:43:34.000 This card is a very good card.

01:43:35.000 LeRon Murphy's no joke.

01:43:37.000 No joke.

01:43:38.000 I don't know.

01:43:39.000 Who you got on this?

01:43:40.000 I'm going to be leaning Murphy's way.

01:43:42.000 I'm still in.

01:43:43.000 I still am.

01:43:44.000 I think the UFC Jitters is a real thing, man.

01:43:47.000 It is.

01:43:48.000 Kissy Jitters is a real thing, and Murphy is no joke.

01:43:51.000 He is super solid, super technical everywhere.

01:43:55.000 And if Aaron wants to be a boxer, this kid is really explosive on his feet, Murphy.

01:43:59.000 He's got the wrestling.

01:44:00.000 Murphy is he does, but he don't use it enough, I don't believe.

01:44:03.000 Murphy, to me, is very much like Leon Edwards in his prime at 145.

01:44:07.000 For sure.

01:44:08.000 Very similar.

01:44:09.000 Very similar.

01:44:09.000 Strong everywhere, super technical, doesn't make any mistakes.

01:44:14.000 He's good, man.

01:44:15.000 I think Barboso.

01:44:16.000 I think he's a more aggressive version, too.

01:44:18.000 Leon could kind of cruise at times where I think Murphy's looking to finish you.

01:44:22.000 He's world championship potential.

01:44:24.000 He's certainly world championship potential.

01:44:26.000 He is coming on short notice, too.

01:44:28.000 Murphy.

01:44:28.000 Who is?

01:44:29.000 Yeah, but he's a consummate performer.

01:44:32.000 Yeah, I was going to say, he's a type of guy.

01:44:34.000 They said straight up he's ready.

01:44:35.000 They said three weeks might be too much time because he's ready all the time.

01:44:39.000 Well, this is the word out of that part, that camp, is that that guy's always training, which is what you want to see from a guy like that who's undefeated and also not getting the shine that a lot of other guys in that division are getting.

01:44:50.000 Props to him for taking the fight, too.

01:44:51.000 There's so many good guys in that division, you know, and Ilio is such a star that everybody with Volkanovsky in there, Yair, and everybody kind of got lost.

01:45:01.000 Diego.

01:45:02.000 Is it a five-rounder?

01:45:03.000 It's the co-main event.

01:45:04.000 That's a three-rounder for Kio.

01:45:04.000 It's a three-rounder.

01:45:07.000 Yeah.

01:45:07.000 Oh, shit.

01:45:08.000 That could change.

01:45:08.000 I'm not listed on the website as the co-main, but I thought it was.

01:45:12.000 It's in there.

01:45:13.000 It is co-main, but it's still three rounds.

01:45:15.000 I read that today.

01:45:16.000 That's cool.

01:45:17.000 Well, that changes things.

01:45:19.000 One of my paperworks.

01:45:20.000 It's interesting because Pico is really good, man.

01:45:24.000 But I would have liked to see him against someone, you know, to establish a name for himself.

01:45:29.000 I thought he had a really good shot at beating Mozar.

01:45:32.000 Well, Mozart is crazy because the grappling for Mozar is just off the charts, but you're not dealing with the kind of kicks that you're dealing with with Murphy.

01:45:40.000 With Murphy, he's going to chop you up on the outside.

01:45:40.000 Yeah.

01:45:43.000 And if you're heavy on that front leg because you like boxing, like, ooh, a couple of those calf kicks, change everything.

01:45:48.000 He's got a lot of spinning attacks.

01:45:50.000 Yeah, a lot of everything.

01:45:52.000 He's a problem.

01:45:53.000 He's a pretty dynamic person.

01:45:54.000 He's a problem.

01:45:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:56.000 I thought Al Joe beat him.

01:45:57.000 I thought he was Al Joe won that fight.

01:45:57.000 I thought Mozzar.

01:46:00.000 The only cooker round ended with Mozar on top, but he was dominating that.

01:46:03.000 I thought Al Joe won that fight as well.

01:46:05.000 But it was close, but I thought Al Joe was close as well.

01:46:05.000 I thought Al Joe was fighting.

01:46:08.000 Mozvar is very, very, very good.

01:46:10.000 But that's a good fight for Pico because Pico's an elite grappler, and he's got real dangerous hands.

01:46:15.000 Real dangerous hands.

01:46:16.000 I thought Pico would have beat him.

01:46:17.000 It would have been a great fight for him.

01:46:19.000 It would have been an interesting fight for him.

01:46:20.000 This is a different fight.

01:46:22.000 This is a different fight, and I think a more dangerous fight in a lot of ways just because of his style.

01:46:26.000 The footwork.

01:46:27.000 Yeah.

01:46:28.000 Yeah, it's going to be tough for Pico.

01:46:29.000 He's tough, man.

01:46:31.000 And again, he's one of those guys that is way better than his public persona.

01:46:31.000 Murphy's tough.

01:46:39.000 People don't know about him.

01:46:40.000 People know about him.

01:46:41.000 There's so many guys in that division, man.

01:46:43.000 That division's crazy.

01:46:45.000 It's filled with killers.

01:46:47.000 This card's a good one.

01:46:47.000 Filled with killers.

01:46:48.000 Killers for stars, too.

01:46:50.000 And Digo Lopez.

01:46:51.000 Just Neil.

01:46:52.000 John Silva.

01:46:53.000 John Silva.

01:46:54.000 Bro, that fight is going to be great.

01:46:57.000 Are you close to that?

01:46:58.000 That's in Guadalajara.

01:47:00.000 Antonio.

01:47:01.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:47:02.000 San Antonio.

01:47:04.000 I might go to that.

01:47:04.000 It's in Texas.

01:47:06.000 That John Silva guy looks like a world champion.

01:47:08.000 That's another one.

01:47:09.000 He looks like a world fucking champion.

01:47:11.000 For sure.

01:47:11.000 He's a character, too.

01:47:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:13.000 The barking and shit.

01:47:14.000 I like that.

01:47:15.000 Bro, what he did to Bryce Mitchell was just, he sent him down.

01:47:18.000 You sent him down to the band.

01:47:20.000 You made yourself lightheaded barking out at the wolf earlier.

01:47:23.000 Yeah, I got a little lightheaded with that.

01:47:25.000 The fact that he was so relaxed and laughing.

01:47:29.000 He just knew it was a matter of time and then submitted him and put him to sleep.

01:47:33.000 What's funny about that is Bryce Mitchell, who just went down in weight, looked great.

01:47:36.000 Great.

01:47:37.000 That's the right division for him.

01:47:39.000 That's the right division for him.

01:47:40.000 And he's got two choices.

01:47:42.000 Bulk way up and cut down, which is what most of these guys are doing.

01:47:46.000 Yeah.

01:47:46.000 Or go to 135, which he looked great.

01:47:49.000 And that was just discipline for him.

01:47:50.000 Just got to live a better life.

01:47:51.000 Right, because he was never like real ripped at 45.

01:47:55.000 Yeah.

01:47:56.000 He's eating cornbread on the farm and shit.

01:47:59.000 I don't know what he eats.

01:48:00.000 I'm sure he eats healthy.

01:48:02.000 I mean, he's a very good grappler.

01:48:03.000 I'll tell you that.

01:48:04.000 That guy's dangerous.

01:48:05.000 He's got good grappling.

01:48:06.000 Really, really good jiu-jitsu.

01:48:07.000 Really smart.

01:48:08.000 I've seen a lot of his tutorials online.

01:48:10.000 Very, very good stuff.

01:48:13.000 But, you know, John Silva is just a different thing, man.

01:48:16.000 There's guys that are just better everywhere.

01:48:18.000 Yeah.

01:48:19.000 And I thought he would have gave Ilya a problem.

01:48:21.000 I think so, too.

01:48:22.000 Yeah.

01:48:22.000 I think if Ilya stayed down and he fought John Silva, I thought that was going to be a problem for Ilya.

01:48:26.000 Yeah.

01:48:26.000 Both have one-punch knockout power.

01:48:28.000 And John Silva is a very good kicker.

01:48:30.000 Yeah.

01:48:31.000 Very, it's different.

01:48:32.000 Like, Ilya does not throw a whole lot of kicks, and most of them are to the legs, right?

01:48:36.000 Ilya's not throwing any head kicks.

01:48:37.000 I'm sure he can.

01:48:38.000 I mean, he might do that just because we're talking shit right now.

01:48:42.000 But what Ilya does do is he touches you, and that's what Ferrazza Hobby calls the touch of death.

01:48:47.000 He's got that touch of death, man.

01:48:49.000 When he did that shit to Charles, I was like, I can't even believe I'm seeing this.

01:48:53.000 They folded him.

01:48:54.000 Folded him.

01:48:57.000 I know.

01:48:58.000 The night before.

01:48:59.000 Remember, we talked about that?

01:49:00.000 Like, yo, I think we were in the back talk.

01:49:02.000 We were like, yo, this is crazy, man.

01:49:05.000 No one should be doing this.

01:49:06.000 And he goes out there and does it.

01:49:08.000 Just like Arnold on Pump and Iron when he was.

01:49:10.000 Remember, he's telling Lee Fregno at breakfast.

01:49:12.000 Should I call my parents one already?

01:49:15.000 That's a big difference, though.

01:49:17.000 All he has to do is flex in his underwear.

01:49:19.000 Ilya had to go out there and knock out Charles Oliver with one punch.

01:49:22.000 That was wild, man.

01:49:23.000 That dude has power.

01:49:24.000 He looked good on the floor, too.

01:49:26.000 Oh, no.

01:49:26.000 He's a very cool guy.

01:49:28.000 Man, I saw, like I said, I saw footage of him and Murab wrestling.

01:49:32.000 I don't know where they were.

01:49:34.000 And I didn't see anybody get caught in this video, but Ilya just seemed to be one step ahead in the wrestling exchanges, you know.

01:49:44.000 So he's at least on Murab's level.

01:49:47.000 And Murab's a savage.

01:49:48.000 You know what he does?

01:49:49.000 It's really interesting.

01:49:51.000 He talked about it on the podcast.

01:49:52.000 He trains each sport individually, and then he puts them all together.

01:49:56.000 So he doesn't train MMA Jiu-Jitsu.

01:49:59.000 He trains Jiu-Jitsu with Jiu-Jitsu guys.

01:50:01.000 So he trains with elite Jiu-Jitsu guys, elite wrestlers.

01:50:03.000 He wrestles with elite wrestlers, boxes with elite boxers, does everything, and then puts it all together himself.

01:50:09.000 I mean, that is the way to do it.

01:50:11.000 He's coming at the other room.

01:50:12.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:50:13.000 Interesting how some camps don't do that.

01:50:15.000 You go there and you have everybody's doing MMA.

01:50:19.000 He's like entering into jiu-jitsu spaces, training there, entering into boxing spaces.

01:50:24.000 I think it's because of that, like we all know that the boxing and boxing is at a higher level than the boxing in the UFC.

01:50:31.000 There's no way to be as good as David Benavidez if you're not boxing your whole fucking life and doing it every day and only doing that.

01:50:39.000 There's no way you're not going to be as good as that.

01:50:41.000 And so we know that.

01:50:43.000 But if you can get more closer to that by training with them and only training with them, you get Ilya Taburia.

01:50:51.000 Yeah.

01:50:52.000 I mean, that's what you get.

01:50:53.000 You get a guy who's boxing with boxers.

01:50:53.000 That's what you get.

01:50:55.000 Yeah, I think you retain more details.

01:50:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:58.000 But man, the discipline you have to have to do all those things with the same kind of intensity and then put it all together.

01:51:06.000 Well, that's a good idea.

01:51:06.000 Well, I mean, he's got a very like he's, and that's the benefit of not having like this big camp doing it all.

01:51:12.000 Like when you're just by yourself and everybody around you is helping you get to these places and do those things, it's a huge benefit.

01:51:19.000 Yeah.

01:51:20.000 And it's also like today we know what everybody else can do too.

01:51:24.000 Like if you're at a certain level like Illya is already, you know your abilities, like you don't necessarily have to be in a camp where there's a bunch of people.

01:51:34.000 Right.

01:51:34.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:51:35.000 Like you don't need that.

01:51:36.000 Yeah.

01:51:36.000 You know which guys you have to bring in for sparring partners.

01:51:40.000 Concentrate everything on you.

01:51:41.000 That way you're not dealing with all these dudes in the locker room that maybe you got beef with and Colby's talking shit about your girlfriend and you're just trying to use the sawdust.

01:51:50.000 Fuck off, Kobe.

01:51:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:54.000 It's like, there's something to be said for them really small camps.

01:51:58.000 Yeah, I think, you know, as we move forward and evolve, man, I think that's the direction it's going.

01:52:03.000 Like all the big guys are going to be like, yeah, for sure.

01:52:05.000 Could you imagine Floyd Mayweather in class with everybody else?

01:52:11.000 Okay, you go, I go.

01:52:12.000 Like, that shit ain't happening with a blue belt in jiu-jitsu class.

01:52:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:52:17.000 That's a good point.

01:52:18.000 Yeah, I mean, and most of those guys would take their camps outside.

01:52:23.000 You know, like Muhammad Ali did it.

01:52:25.000 Tyson did it.

01:52:26.000 A lot of these guys, they would go somewhere, go to Big Bear.

01:52:29.000 De La Joya did that.

01:52:30.000 That was bringing their people there.

01:52:32.000 Shoot, get away.

01:52:32.000 Yeah.

01:52:34.000 Crawford and Canelo?

01:52:37.000 What do you think of that?

01:52:38.000 Personally, I'm a big Crawford fan, so I'm going to lean his way.

01:52:43.000 My only concern is just the size.

01:52:46.000 It didn't look like Terrence's power transferred in the last fight, so Modrom up some more.

01:52:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:52.000 Part of the problem with that is Modromov is really good.

01:52:55.000 He's really fucking good.

01:52:56.000 But I just think Crawford is weird to say against Canelo, but I think he's the better boxer, and I think he's the guy who can make the better in-fight adjustments if Canelo doesn't kill him.

01:53:07.000 It's going to be interesting.

01:53:08.000 I'll tell you that.

01:53:09.000 What do you think?

01:53:10.000 I don't know.

01:53:11.000 You know, it's a big jump to go from 54, which was a step up for 47.

01:53:17.000 So it goes to 54, and now he's going to 68.

01:53:17.000 Right?

01:53:20.000 That's so much weight.

01:53:21.000 A lot of weight.

01:53:22.000 But Terrence is, I think he's the best switch hitter since Hagler.

01:53:26.000 Hagler was my favorite.

01:53:27.000 I mean, they claim he's walking around like a buck 90 or something.

01:53:31.000 And you do know he's a wrestler.

01:53:33.000 Yep.

01:53:34.000 So he's got that mentality to him.

01:53:36.000 He also built up slowly.

01:53:37.000 Like he took his time.

01:53:39.000 It's been a long time training for this fight.

01:53:42.000 He came on this podcast more than a year ago, and he was talking about that.

01:53:45.000 That's the fight he wants.

01:53:47.000 And that was a long time ago.

01:53:48.000 I remember.

01:53:48.000 So he's been trying to get that fight for a long time.

01:53:50.000 So knowing after he beat Errol Spence that he wasn't ever going to fight at that weight again and then going up fighting Madrimov and then knowing he's got like at least a year before he fights Alvarez.

01:54:01.000 He got pretty big.

01:54:02.000 Yeah.

01:54:03.000 Yeah, I like it.

01:54:03.000 I'm leaning.

01:54:05.000 He's slick, man.

01:54:05.000 Yeah.

01:54:06.000 He's slick.

01:54:07.000 He's super intelligent.

01:54:09.000 Like he sets traps.

01:54:10.000 He does stuff.

01:54:11.000 And then, you know, there's a bunch of great breakdown videos of particularly the Errol Spence fight, like him setting traps.

01:54:17.000 It's just, he's a very high-level guy, but Canelo is dangerous.

01:54:23.000 He broke Billy Joe Saunders' whole face.

01:54:26.000 Broke his whole face.

01:54:27.000 What he did to AmirCon.

01:54:28.000 Remember that show?

01:54:29.000 Oh, embarrassing.

01:54:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:54:30.000 Lordy.

01:54:31.000 Lordy.

01:54:32.000 And never been down.

01:54:33.000 Never been dropped.

01:54:34.000 Yeah, Canelo's a stud.

01:54:36.000 Yeah, Terrence, they rented out the Apex for a while.

01:54:39.000 Was training there.

01:54:40.000 Kids running around all on the mat.

01:54:42.000 I was get these badass kids out.

01:54:44.000 He was using the Apex?

01:54:45.000 Why was he using the Apex?

01:54:45.000 Yeah.

01:54:46.000 I don't know.

01:54:47.000 I'd say 30 people.

01:54:48.000 You know, 30 people.

01:54:51.000 Half of them in suits.

01:54:51.000 Yeah.

01:54:54.000 How many times did he use it?

01:54:56.000 He was there for a while.

01:54:57.000 Really?

01:54:58.000 They were training at the Apex.

01:54:58.000 Yeah.

01:55:00.000 And this is getting ready for this fight?

01:55:00.000 Interesting.

01:55:02.000 Yeah, getting ready for this fight.

01:55:02.000 Well, that makes sense because the UFC is co-provolved.

01:55:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:06.000 Dana is a part of it.

01:55:07.000 I saw on their website.

01:55:08.000 I saw, like, you know, buy the Canelo Crawford fight.

01:55:12.000 In my head, I was like, holy shit.

01:55:14.000 And then I was like, oh, yeah, Dana is involved with this.

01:55:17.000 That's something you never thought you'd see.

01:55:17.000 Yeah.

01:55:19.000 It's interesting.

01:55:19.000 It's because it's like, I wonder how that's going to affect combat sports.

01:55:24.000 Like, what's going to happen?

01:55:26.000 I mean, if the UFC model gets, if they start making fights that people want, like, there's a lot of fights that people just want.

01:55:32.000 They just don't get.

01:55:33.000 Like, if David Benavidez and Canelo Alvarez were in the UFC, that would be the fight to make.

01:55:38.000 The UFC would have to figure out later on.

01:55:40.000 Hey, guys.

01:55:41.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:55:42.000 These are the guys you guys have to fight.

01:55:45.000 Like, this is the fight.

01:55:46.000 Like, it can't be, I'm going to do something else.

01:55:48.000 I'm going to fight Jake Paul.

01:55:49.000 No, it's got to be, this is the fight.

01:55:51.000 They've got to change their culture, though, you know, because a loss in boxing means a lot more than a loss in MMA.

01:55:58.000 Like, the MMA fans are more accepting, especially if the fight was good, where in boxing, their whole role is to build you to 20 so they can get you title fights.

01:56:07.000 And they're finding people for you along the way.

01:56:10.000 Well, Canelo lost to Bival, and he lost to Floyd, and I don't think it really damaged him that much.

01:56:14.000 He's still a superstar.

01:56:15.000 Well, Floyd, he was at that time, Floyd was the superstar.

01:56:19.000 So I think it probably, I mean, you know, Floyd jumped him at the right time.

01:56:22.000 And Bival, like, I mean, again, Canelo was doing his thing, moving up in weed and things of that sort.

01:56:29.000 As far as business model, I wonder if he's going to, with Dana involved, like, the problem with boxing is nobody gives a shit about the undercard.

01:56:36.000 They show up for the main card.

01:56:38.000 Is it possible for him to make it as exciting as a UFC where he's got the whole lineup where his fights you want to see?

01:56:45.000 Is there that many boxes out there that oh, yeah, for sure?

01:56:48.000 And they're trying to do that.

01:56:48.000 They can do that.

01:56:50.000 And that's one of the things that they're doing with those Riyadh series fights.

01:56:53.000 Yeah.

01:56:54.000 So, like, they're trying to create the league.

01:56:56.000 And I think that's where it gets all into the legislation and all that stuff is changing the Alley Act and all that stuff.

01:57:02.000 So, I mean, it gets a little tricky, but I mean, the goal is to create a league where boxers can go, and then, like, losses won't mean as much.

01:57:10.000 That might change right there because nobody really gives a fuck that much with the mixed martial arts.

01:57:15.000 You got your fan favorites, you got guys you want to see, you got fights you want to make.

01:57:18.000 People give them shit about what they're doing.

01:57:20.000 Pereira got knocked out by Izzy, and he didn't lose anything, right?

01:57:23.000 Nothing, nothing, nothing.

01:57:25.000 Zero, exactly.

01:57:26.000 And then he came back and won the light heavyweight title, and everybody's like, He's back!

01:57:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:57:30.000 He's shooting his arrows.

01:57:31.000 He's back.

01:57:32.000 Ah!

01:57:33.000 Best walkout ever.

01:57:35.000 Best walkout ever.

01:57:36.000 No one's walkout is like his.

01:57:37.000 It's hysterical.

01:57:38.000 Callum Walsh and Fernando Vargas Jr.

01:57:40.000 That's a good fight.

01:57:41.000 Fernando Vargas Jr.

01:57:43.000 That's great.

01:57:44.000 Yeah.

01:57:45.000 So these are two good fights.

01:57:47.000 There's two good fights underneath that as well.

01:57:50.000 But it's like they're going to have to do this consistently and build these people up and have real good video series like the UFC does with embedded and what they do with the countdown shows and just really get everybody excited about it.

01:58:07.000 I mean, is that a bad thing though for that?

01:58:09.000 I mean, because people are being critical of the idea of that, but to me, it sounds like a good thing.

01:58:14.000 To get a bunch of high-end fights on one card.

01:58:16.000 Well, no, I'm just saying like the idea of like a league for boxers to where there's a promotion that will do stuff like that for them.

01:58:23.000 Because boxing's not doing it for them.

01:58:25.000 Well, it's all in how much money is getting distributed, right?

01:58:28.000 So the boxers that make a lot of money are the Canelos, the Floyds, the people that are superstars.

01:58:33.000 They make a lot of money.

01:58:35.000 But dudes that fight on undercards that you're watching on TV don't make shit.

01:58:39.000 And that's where everybody gets confused.

01:58:41.000 You watch UFC fights, and there's people that are undercards that are making way more money than the undercard people in a boxing range.

01:58:48.000 Tons.

01:58:48.000 Way more money.

01:58:49.000 Yeah, so it depends on who's on the card.

01:58:54.000 The majority of the money, I'm sure, is going to the top guys.

01:58:58.000 Whereas in the UFC, it's probably a more spread throughout the day.

01:59:02.000 It's a bigger middle class.

01:59:04.000 Yeah, but they don't have a high end that's the same.

01:59:07.000 Like Usik made $114 million, something like that.

01:59:12.000 How is that possible?

01:59:12.000 For his last fight with Dubois.

01:59:14.000 How many buys did you have?

01:59:14.000 That's possible.

01:59:15.000 And Dubois made like 70-something million.

01:59:18.000 They're just throwing that oil money.

01:59:20.000 It might even be selling Usik's number wrong.

01:59:23.000 I think it might have been like $130.

01:59:24.000 That's ridiculous.

01:59:25.000 You know, crazy money.

01:59:26.000 Crazy money for that Dubois fight.

01:59:28.000 So that's the difference.

01:59:30.000 So that's only possible with the boxing model.

01:59:34.000 Right.

01:59:34.000 So the guys who eat the most are going to eat the most with the boxing model.

01:59:40.000 But the people underneath that are not going to be doing nearly.

01:59:43.000 Do you think that fight made any money?

01:59:47.000 If I'm giving $200 million out between the two guys that are fighting the fight, they're not getting that many pay-per-views.

01:59:52.000 I don't know where the money comes from.

01:59:54.000 Bro, they got that black gold flashing out.

01:59:56.000 Yeah, I was about to say that's crazy.

01:59:58.000 How do you sustain that business model, though, if that's how they're doing it right now?

02:00:02.000 Like, people scream about these guys making more money, but the UFC would be out of business if they paid that money because it's just not bringing that money.

02:00:10.000 Or get the Saudis to pay everybody the same.

02:00:13.000 Let's take advantage of that black gold.

02:00:15.000 That's right.

02:00:16.000 Those dudes don't give a fuck.

02:00:18.000 That money for them is like me ordering a pizza.

02:00:20.000 Like, hey, everybody guys love pizza.

02:00:22.000 I'll make a call.

02:00:23.000 I'll get a pizza delivered.

02:00:24.000 They don't give a fuck.

02:00:25.000 They're making insane amounts of money.

02:00:27.000 Like, we don't even know how much money they have because it's not public.

02:00:31.000 It's not like us.

02:00:32.000 Like, you know, like Bezos has to disclose his wealth.

02:00:34.000 Like, the richest man in the world.

02:00:36.000 Like, are you sure?

02:00:37.000 Yeah.

02:00:37.000 Well, you got to think there's got to be so much if they're paying these guys $100 million to box.

02:00:43.000 To buy.

02:00:44.000 Not even do nothing like world changes.

02:00:44.000 To box.

02:00:47.000 I think that's why Canelo was holding out with Benavites because the number that I heard was $200 million.

02:00:53.000 He wanted $200 million to fight Benavitez.

02:00:57.000 It seems like they're kind of close to that.

02:00:59.000 Well, you know, if they're getting in the 130s for Usik, this is crazy.

02:01:04.000 That's so much money to guarantee somebody.

02:01:08.000 If they do a new model, they got it.

02:01:11.000 Like, look, the early prelims, shit.

02:01:14.000 I don't miss those.

02:01:15.000 You got Edson Barbosa on early prelims for Strakaro.

02:01:18.000 That's deep, man.

02:01:19.000 I mean, that's a fucking sick fight right there.

02:01:21.000 Yeah, two guys that want to bang it out.

02:01:23.000 I like that you're calling close.

02:01:24.000 He's never had quite his day.

02:01:26.000 Like, he gets to a certain level.

02:01:28.000 Yeah.

02:01:29.000 And then what is his name?

02:01:32.000 Fucking.

02:01:36.000 Baruch.

02:01:37.000 Darius, Darush.

02:01:38.000 Barani Darush.

02:01:39.000 Yeah, Benil Daruz, yeah.

02:01:40.000 Give me another Mint for the brain.

02:01:43.000 You know, Benil looked great in his last fight.

02:01:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:01:46.000 Benil looked real good.

02:01:48.000 He looked real good against Moikano.

02:01:50.000 Right?

02:01:51.000 Yeah.

02:01:52.000 He's a great fighter.

02:01:53.000 And he's getting a little bit older, too.

02:01:55.000 You know, he fools you with that gray hair.

02:01:57.000 I was about to say he looks like he's 50.

02:01:58.000 Yeah, he comes in with that gray hair.

02:01:59.000 He's like 36.

02:02:00.000 Yeah, he's not that old, man.

02:02:02.000 He did great in that Moccano fight.

02:02:02.000 He's a savage.

02:02:04.000 Yeah, he's very good, man.

02:02:06.000 It's a great time for watching fights.

02:02:09.000 Who else is on the card this weekend?

02:02:10.000 I was definitely going to be a little bit more famous.

02:02:11.000 That was Jeff Neil, Jeff Neil, the Russians.

02:02:13.000 Oh, that's right.

02:02:14.000 Tim Elliott and Kaikar.

02:02:16.000 Yeah, bro.

02:02:17.000 Pratez, Pratez, and Jeff Neal.

02:02:20.000 That could be a banger.

02:02:21.000 And I think it all depends on which Jeff Neal shows up.

02:02:24.000 100%.

02:02:25.000 A 100%.

02:02:26.000 If the good ones show up, I think he knocks Pratez out.

02:02:29.000 I think Carlos Pratos takes us in the first round with a knockout.

02:02:32.000 Oh, and then it's Jared Cannonier and Michael Page.

02:02:35.000 That's the puzzle.

02:02:36.000 How about how that dude just goes from middleweight to welterweight, doesn't give a fuck.

02:02:40.000 That's a fan.

02:02:41.000 And no one even seems to talk about the fact that he's going up and down in weight.

02:02:45.000 I'm a huge fan.

02:02:46.000 He's like 6'4.

02:02:47.000 I'm a huge fan.

02:02:49.000 It's crazy that he can make light, that he can make welterweight.

02:02:53.000 He's a super fight, I think.

02:02:55.000 The only person who figured him out was Ian Gary.

02:02:57.000 You got to drag him to the ground.

02:02:59.000 Yeah, man.

02:03:00.000 Brian Battle and Ruzaboyo.

02:03:02.000 That's a good fight, too.

02:03:02.000 That's a good fight.

02:03:03.000 That dude is gigantic.

02:03:05.000 He was Walterweight for a while, too.

02:03:06.000 He was a boy?

02:03:07.000 Yeah, remember?

02:03:08.000 He lost to Joachim.

02:03:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:03:10.000 He was like a 6'5 Welterweight.

02:03:12.000 But he hits hard.

02:03:13.000 Oh, yeah.

02:03:14.000 Dangerous.

02:03:15.000 Dangerous dude.

02:03:17.000 Yeah.

02:03:18.000 So he went up to 185.

02:03:19.000 Yeah, he trains silly.

02:03:20.000 I think he was out training with Hamz out a little bit, though.

02:03:22.000 Oh, yeah.

02:03:23.000 Yeah, a little bit for this camp.

02:03:24.000 Was this his second or third middleweight?

02:03:26.000 Because he quit.

02:03:27.000 I think that last Buckley fight, he was like, enough of this Walterweight bullshit.

02:03:32.000 Man, these guys are killing him.

02:03:34.000 Brian Battle is so.

02:03:36.000 I love when he fucking.

02:03:37.000 So that's his second fight.

02:03:38.000 I love his mom's middle.

02:03:39.000 Brian Battle fought in France, was it?

02:03:41.000 In Paris?

02:03:42.000 And he's like, there's no way you think I'm going to lose a fist fight to a French dude.

02:03:42.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:03:47.000 Don't booing him.

02:03:49.000 There's no way to put him.

02:03:51.000 He's going to lose your fight.

02:03:52.000 He's a lot of fun, man.

02:03:53.000 Brian Battle's a lot of fun to a French dude.

02:03:57.000 Oh, Lord.

02:03:58.000 Don't booing him.

02:03:59.000 Oh, it was fucking bad.

02:04:00.000 That's awesome.

02:04:01.000 Well, everybody's got to remember that's what Colby did when he beat Brazil.

02:04:05.000 Damian Maya.

02:04:06.000 He beat Damian Maya in Brazil.

02:04:07.000 He was less classy, though.

02:04:09.000 Way less classy.

02:04:10.000 But he was going full WWE heel.

02:04:13.000 It saved his life.

02:04:14.000 It saved his career for shit.

02:04:15.000 Oh, it made him millions.

02:04:17.000 It made him millions.

02:04:18.000 Because they were cutting him.

02:04:19.000 Yeah.

02:04:20.000 Nah.

02:04:21.000 It's still your soul.

02:04:22.000 It's still to be said.

02:04:23.000 I agree.

02:04:24.000 But there's something to be said.

02:04:26.000 If you're purely business-minded, talk a lot of shit.

02:04:29.000 Yeah, about people's dead fathers, about their wives.

02:04:32.000 What a piece of shit.

02:04:33.000 No, his way.

02:04:33.000 You know what I mean?

02:04:34.000 Yeah, you talk like that.

02:04:35.000 You're looking over your shoulder.

02:04:36.000 He could be having a cup of tea in fucking London a year from now, 10 years from now.

02:04:40.000 If Leon Edwards runs into him, what do you think's going to happen?

02:04:43.000 Remember, you brought up my dead father, motherfucker?

02:04:45.000 I mean, dude, there's stuff, some stuff you could do for the entertainment, but then, hey, man.

02:04:50.000 There's a line.

02:04:50.000 We've talked about repercussions, bro.

02:04:52.000 You want to talk about somebody's wife or kids or a dead parent?

02:04:55.000 Well, it's the same thing.

02:04:56.000 Even with Connor, in the beginning, he was a funny shit talker, and then it seemed later in the career, it was more almost like force.

02:05:04.000 He got dark.

02:05:05.000 He's trying to be a bit more darker.

02:05:05.000 It got darker.

02:05:06.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:07.000 It's no fun.

02:05:08.000 Well, it's also you're dealing with people that are dealing with the pressures of being at the top of one of the most dangerous occupations in the world.

02:05:15.000 And every day when you go to bed, you know there's some dude out there that wants to kick you in the fucking dick.

02:05:23.000 He's out there right now.

02:05:24.000 He's out there training.

02:05:25.000 And that pressure sometimes wears on guys.

02:05:29.000 And over the course of time, they get neurological fatigue.

02:05:33.000 Like you're just fatigued from just the strain.

02:05:36.000 You don't give a fuck no more.

02:05:38.000 He starts being dangerous.

02:05:39.000 And then you got CTE.

02:05:41.000 So there's a lot of things going on.

02:05:43.000 I mean, also, the pockets get fatter and you're under that microscope even more.

02:05:47.000 And then there's down out.

02:05:49.000 Yeah.

02:05:56.000 If you want to hang out, you got to take a route.

02:06:02.000 It's crazy.

02:06:03.000 And he probably gets the good stuff.

02:06:05.000 I might try Connor's Coke.

02:06:08.000 I've never tried Coke, but if I was going to, I'd try it from Connor.

02:06:11.000 Man, it's not even like hiding it, man.

02:06:14.000 Hey, bro, you got to love that part of him.

02:06:16.000 Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck.

02:06:18.000 He's a pure savage.

02:06:19.000 Yeah, he don't care about it.

02:06:20.000 He's a pure savage.

02:06:21.000 And that's also why he was so good at fighting, man.

02:06:23.000 In the middle of the Jose Aldo fight, I remember looking in his eyes and watching how calm, like genuinely calm he was.

02:06:31.000 I'm like, this guy just, and Dana said it best.

02:06:33.000 He's like, he eats pressure.

02:06:35.000 He just eats it.

02:06:36.000 He wants it to be chaos.

02:06:36.000 He likes it.

02:06:38.000 Does God say that, but they don't really believe it?

02:06:42.000 Yeah, I was at that fight.

02:06:43.000 Thank you, Joe.

02:06:44.000 And when he came in, like, I tell this story to everybody about him.

02:06:49.000 When he came in, did his thing, he ran around the cage, and then he went in the center of the cage and he just fucking went like this.

02:06:55.000 Yeah.

02:06:56.000 And the place erupted.

02:06:58.000 And I was like, God almighty, how fucking comfortable?

02:07:02.000 I think she came out.

02:07:03.000 She did the walkout song for that one.

02:07:05.000 It was one of them she did the walkout song for.

02:07:08.000 Yeah, my wife.

02:07:08.000 She sang it live and it was bone-chilling.

02:07:11.000 You may write.

02:07:12.000 Oh, shit.

02:07:13.000 You know what's a funny thing is when you see a clip of him saying that somebody's interviewing him and he goes about partying, he goes, partying is weakness for your soul or something like that.

02:07:22.000 And then there's a clip of him now.

02:07:26.000 Fucking going.

02:07:27.000 This is the blade music behind him.

02:07:29.000 The salt of the head!

02:07:37.000 Right?

02:07:38.000 That opening scene in the blade.

02:07:40.000 But no, he was, man, he was something else.

02:07:42.000 It's Chad Mendez fight.

02:07:43.000 Oh, my God.

02:07:44.000 Like how much shit he was talking to him, but just still in it.

02:07:46.000 Like, even he got rocked.

02:07:48.000 He still comes up and still knocks him out.

02:07:48.000 He goes down.

02:07:50.000 Eddie Alvarez.

02:07:51.000 Oh, New York.

02:07:53.000 That's the class.

02:07:54.000 Oh, my God.

02:07:55.000 I mean, going up to challenge for a second world title and hitting the Matrix.

02:08:00.000 Full Matrix in a fight with a killer.

02:08:00.000 Yeah.

02:08:02.000 Like, Eddie's a fucking killer, man.

02:08:04.000 Definitely.

02:08:05.000 What he did to Jafael Dosanjos to win the title.

02:08:07.000 Wild performance.

02:08:07.000 Yeah.

02:08:09.000 Those fights that he had with Chandler that those guys took 10 years off each other's lives.

02:08:14.000 Sorry, my ass.

02:08:16.000 Sorry.

02:08:17.000 We got those toilets.

02:08:19.000 They're the best.

02:08:20.000 There it is.

02:08:21.000 Aries.

02:08:24.000 This was the fight before.

02:08:25.000 Yeah, this was the Chad Mendez fight.

02:08:26.000 UFC 189.

02:08:27.000 Oh.

02:08:28.000 Didn't sound as loud, tartan.

02:08:33.000 But the angel of spells or the lefty swounds rang out a...

02:08:42.000 And the best part about this is how he walks out with this giant fucking leprechaun smile on his face.

02:08:50.000 Yeah, watch this.

02:08:51.000 get to where he walks out jamie in the springing of the air while the world did get But yeah.

02:09:10.000 That dude just knew how to handle pressure.

02:09:13.000 Yep.

02:09:14.000 Yeah, he thrived in it.

02:09:16.000 might shine through the foggy All right, Jimmy.

02:09:27.000 That was a fight that he couldn't even grapple.

02:09:30.000 He couldn't even grapple in training camp.

02:09:31.000 He fucked his knee up.

02:09:32.000 And that's one of the reasons why Chad was able to take him down so easily.

02:09:35.000 He had a hard time training for that fight.

02:09:37.000 And he fucked Chad up.

02:09:39.000 Maybe we got to give Chad.

02:09:39.000 Fucked Chad up.

02:09:40.000 He got up off the sofa for this one.

02:09:42.000 Oh, yeah, he did too.

02:09:43.000 Took it over seven days or so.

02:09:45.000 Bro, Chad's second fight with Aldo, he got fucked.

02:09:45.000 Yep.

02:09:49.000 I remember I reached out to him after the fight.

02:09:51.000 I'm like, damn, dude, because the first round after the bell, Aldo cracks him and rocks him.

02:09:58.000 Like for the first time in the fight, he got rocked.

02:10:00.000 And clearly after the bell, I'm like, damn, that's terrible.

02:10:05.000 After you got knocked out by the guy in the first fight, you come back in the second fight.

02:10:10.000 The first round's wildly entertaining.

02:10:12.000 And then you get hit with a shot after the bell.

02:10:14.000 Yeah.

02:10:15.000 I mean, it was still a great fight, though.

02:10:16.000 It's still a great fight, but it makes me wonder.

02:10:18.000 Like, if that shot doesn't land, that's a real shot, man.

02:10:22.000 That was a different.

02:10:23.000 That was like a real, like, you're almost out shot.

02:10:26.000 Yeah.

02:10:27.000 And if you get hit with one of those in a fight, that significantly changes the fight.

02:10:30.000 Yeah.

02:10:31.000 Significantly changes it.

02:10:32.000 Give me some volume.

02:10:33.000 Left on the side of the head of Mendez.

02:10:36.000 Uppercut.

02:10:38.000 See, the chad still isn't recovered.

02:10:40.000 All right.

02:10:41.000 I mean, that guy way after the buzzer.

02:10:45.000 And that dropped him.

02:10:46.000 But Aldo was coming on strong.

02:10:48.000 Clearly.

02:10:48.000 Aldo was coming on strong.

02:10:51.000 Dude, Prime Aldo, I don't know who's better.

02:10:54.000 That guy's a fucking monster.

02:10:55.000 It's amazing how good he still is when he fought Zahabi.

02:10:58.000 And I think he had his gloves down.

02:11:00.000 I was like, damn, dude, he's still really fucking good and really fast.

02:11:05.000 And down a weight class instead of up as he got older.

02:11:08.000 Most guys don't go down weight class.

02:11:10.000 I know, but I mean, when you look at how muscular he is at 45, and then you think about like what Max did to him, that muscle comes with a price.

02:11:18.000 And when Max put that pace on him, Max was the first guy to really expose him and put that pace.

02:11:24.000 Jose was all fast Twitch.

02:11:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:11:26.000 Remember when he double-kneed fucking Cub Swan?

02:11:30.000 How about this?

02:11:31.000 Murab didn't take him down.

02:11:32.000 I know.

02:11:33.000 How crazy?

02:11:33.000 He couldn't take him down.

02:11:34.000 How crazy is that?

02:11:35.000 He does have a great takedown, dude.

02:11:37.000 He's 38 years into his career.

02:11:38.000 Yeah.

02:11:39.000 And Marab couldn't take that guy down.

02:11:42.000 Couldn't take him down.

02:11:43.000 Bro, his balance is crazy.

02:11:46.000 He took down, what's his name?

02:11:48.000 Pyotr Jan, like 10 times.

02:11:49.000 Yeah, he couldn't take down Aldo.

02:11:51.000 He couldn't take Aldo down.

02:11:52.000 Yeah, that's wild.

02:11:54.000 And Aldo's Jiu-Jitsu was good.

02:11:56.000 He was very good.

02:11:56.000 He was that double knee.

02:11:57.000 Like, wow.

02:11:58.000 Wow, what the?

02:11:59.000 What the fuck, man?

02:11:59.000 And Cub was a stud, too.

02:12:01.000 Oh, bro, he was a monster.

02:12:03.000 Aldo was a modern.

02:12:04.000 Look, he's trying to hit him even after the referees pulled him off.

02:12:07.000 WEC was a double knee to the dome.

02:12:09.000 He had some talent.

02:12:10.000 Oh, yeah, for sure, man.

02:12:12.000 And this is when Aldo was in his book.

02:12:14.000 Yeah, he was different.

02:12:16.000 Leg kicks?

02:12:17.000 Remember, he murdered Uriah?

02:12:18.000 Uriah's leg kicks.

02:12:19.000 Oh, my God.

02:12:20.000 Yeah, Uriah, like, that leg was fucked up, man.

02:12:24.000 Yeah, he told me two weeks he was in.

02:12:27.000 Two weeks he was in crazy.

02:12:28.000 He was on crutches, he said.

02:12:29.000 Yeah, man.

02:12:30.000 He was in his prime.

02:12:32.000 He was something really special.

02:12:34.000 But, you know, it's like, how long can you keep that up?

02:12:37.000 He's kept it up more than anybody.

02:12:38.000 Like, really, because he's still at a world-class caliber at Bantamweight.

02:12:42.000 I mean, dude, for 10 years, nobody touched him.

02:12:45.000 That's a long time to reign, especially in a weight division like that where he just keeps coming.

02:12:50.000 He just kind of gassed out in that last round because he was going for the finish.

02:12:54.000 He emptied out and Zahabi survived.

02:12:55.000 Yeah, I mean, you could make an argument for Aldo and that.

02:12:59.000 That was a close fight.

02:13:00.000 I didn't think he got stomped out or nothing.

02:13:02.000 But I mean, how good was he to himself to know that he's retiring probably because he feels like he can't do it at the level he knows he can.

02:13:10.000 And he's still doing it at a high level.

02:13:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:13:13.000 But in his head, he's like, I'm not doing it at the level I want to be able to do it, so I'm just going to retire.

02:13:18.000 Crazy.

02:13:19.000 Yeah.

02:13:20.000 That division, man.

02:13:22.000 Between 35 and 45, it's interesting that 25 gets so little love.

02:13:28.000 Like, Pantosha is only 10 pounds lighter.

02:13:30.000 I know, I know.

02:13:31.000 He's loving.

02:13:32.000 He's a straight-up killer.

02:13:34.000 He's a straight-up killer.

02:13:35.000 It is crazy, though.

02:13:36.000 Like, nobody cared about Mighty Mouse, and that guy was maybe the top martial artist in the league.

02:13:41.000 Oh, that takedown to unlock that tall.

02:13:45.000 I don't know if you'll ever see something like that.

02:13:46.000 But it's crazy that it's only 10 pounds.

02:13:48.000 I know.

02:13:48.000 How do you know?

02:13:51.000 You can't tell the difference.

02:13:53.000 How can you tell the difference?

02:13:54.000 People get real weird.

02:13:55.000 They get real weird.

02:13:56.000 They just have this bias towards.

02:13:58.000 Well, I mean, it was like our shit.

02:13:59.000 Like, we were lightweights, and they cut our division after that little tournament.

02:14:03.000 And who'd have thought that the lightweights would be the best division?

02:14:03.000 Yeah.

02:14:06.000 He was still going away, too.

02:14:07.000 They asked me to go back up to welterweight.

02:14:09.000 and just go, all right, let me fucking...

02:14:12.000 I was making guys, you know?

02:14:14.000 Well, the UFC just had a weird position.

02:14:16.000 I mean, before it really took off, they were just trying to figure out, like, we got to figure out a way to make money doing this thing.

02:14:24.000 What do people not want to see?

02:14:25.000 And if someone has this idea, oh, the problem is the lighter weight divisions.

02:14:29.000 Those are the most exciting.

02:14:29.000 Yeah.

02:14:32.000 Look at him now.

02:14:33.000 Like, the craziest fights we've seen.

02:14:36.000 35, 45, 55.

02:14:38.000 Pantosha is a great champ, man.

02:14:40.000 He defended it, what, three, four times?

02:14:41.000 What did he do?

02:14:42.000 Well, he's so good, too.

02:14:43.000 And he massacres everybody.

02:14:44.000 I know.

02:14:45.000 Great Jiu-Jitsu.

02:14:46.000 He's got striking.

02:14:48.000 Yeah.

02:14:49.000 Takes torture well, too.

02:14:51.000 Yeah, he's an animal.

02:14:53.000 He made Kai Car France look bad.

02:14:55.000 And the first fight was good.

02:14:57.000 They had a good fight like nine years ago or eight years ago, what it was.

02:14:57.000 I know.

02:15:01.000 But the difference between how much better Pantosha got was right away was obvious.

02:15:06.000 He's another guy.

02:15:06.000 He was doing Uber Eats when he was here, fighting in the UFC, and he was still fucking working.

02:15:11.000 He's a real humble guy.

02:15:13.000 He's like a real, just the sweetheart of a guy.

02:15:16.000 This guy you want to see do well.

02:15:16.000 Good for him.

02:15:18.000 But that's why I wish the guy got more love.

02:15:18.000 Exactly.

02:15:20.000 It's like, I don't understand.

02:15:23.000 If he was 145, he'd be a superstar.

02:15:26.000 Right?

02:15:27.000 Just the idea of being a flyweight just has people spooked out to root for him.

02:15:31.000 I know.

02:15:32.000 Yeah.

02:15:32.000 I don't get it.

02:15:33.000 It's weird.

02:15:34.000 It's weird, but it's always been that way.

02:15:36.000 Even Cejudo, you know, when he was the champ, and you know, when Mighty Mouse was a champ, like, kind of with everybody.

02:15:42.000 Yeah.

02:15:44.000 Figueredo didn't get the love that he deserved.

02:15:46.000 Brandon Roy Val.

02:15:47.000 Rob's getting the love.

02:15:48.000 He's getting a lot of love.

02:15:50.000 Definitely.

02:15:51.000 But it's always like, it's always like, yeah, but they're flyweights.

02:15:53.000 Yeah, I know.

02:15:54.000 Yeah, but flyweights are worse division.

02:15:56.000 No, they're not.

02:15:57.000 Like, what?

02:15:58.000 I wonder what the biggest flyweight pay-per-view of all time was.

02:16:01.000 Like, how many people.

02:16:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:03.000 It would have to be.

02:16:04.000 It's got to be pretty low.

02:16:05.000 It would have to be a Mighty Mouse one, probably, wouldn't you think?

02:16:08.000 I saw him talk.

02:16:09.000 I don't know.

02:16:09.000 Maybe there's more pay-per-view buys these days.

02:16:12.000 Yeah, I would think that it may have been when Pantosia did it in Brazil because they probably had a lot of Brazilians on the road.

02:16:18.000 Right, Pantosia Ursa.

02:16:19.000 That was a good fight, too.

02:16:21.000 But I bet it's like not high.

02:16:24.000 Yeah, it's pretty low.

02:16:25.000 Yeah.

02:16:27.000 Shit, man.

02:16:28.000 I enjoy it.

02:16:30.000 I enjoy all the fucking way clay.

02:16:31.000 It's all I watch, man.

02:16:32.000 Even though I can't even watch the boxing.

02:16:34.000 I wish I could.

02:16:35.000 I don't know.

02:16:36.000 It's just so it's not nearly as entertaining as the mixed martial arts.

02:16:39.000 And the fact that there's one on like every week, I just.

02:16:42.000 I need it to be a good one.

02:16:44.000 Two good boxers.

02:16:46.000 I'll tune in.

02:16:47.000 I'm a boxing fan, too.

02:16:48.000 But I mean, if I have a choice, I'm going to watch it.

02:16:51.000 Did you watch Usik and Dubois?

02:16:52.000 I did.

02:16:53.000 Usik's like Usuk is like Lemonchenko plus 100 pounds.

02:16:58.000 He's got great footwork.

02:17:00.000 He's a great technical boxer.

02:17:02.000 Now he's starting to put people out too.

02:17:03.000 Before he was just out boxing people.

02:17:06.000 Especially Dubois when you see what he did to AJ in that last fight.

02:17:09.000 What is he going to do?

02:17:10.000 He's beat everybody twice.

02:17:12.000 In the heavyweight division, who do they have left for him?

02:17:14.000 Well, Tyson Fury was talking about coming back, but then it looks like he changed his mind.

02:17:19.000 He decided.

02:17:20.000 He's like, it's a young man in sport.

02:17:24.000 He's not wrong.

02:17:25.000 He's not that old.

02:17:26.000 But if anybody could have beaten him, it would have been Tyson Fury in his prime.

02:17:29.000 Because particularly, you know, in moments in the first fight, especially in the early rounds, before he got dropped in the ninth, he was doing really well.

02:17:39.000 He was lighting him up.

02:17:40.000 More damage than he's ever seen Usuk take in a fight ever.

02:17:44.000 And more clean shots that were landing.

02:17:47.000 I mean, look, Tyson was a fantastic boxer, too.

02:17:51.000 Don't let the dad bod fool you.

02:17:52.000 Oh, yeah.

02:17:53.000 I mean, he was light on his feet, you know, very technical.

02:17:57.000 I mean, he obviously has a size and reach advantage over Usik.

02:18:00.000 And when he gets that jab popping, he's tough to beat.

02:18:03.000 Yeah, it's not just a jab.

02:18:04.000 He's got a slick uppercut.

02:18:06.000 He's got a crisp right there.

02:18:07.000 He's got a great head movement.

02:18:07.000 He's defensive.

02:18:09.000 He's an all-time great boxer.

02:18:11.000 Is Francis still boxing or is he doing MML?

02:18:11.000 All-time great.

02:18:13.000 Yeah, he's going to do boxer.

02:18:14.000 Is he going to do it again?

02:18:15.000 Yeah.

02:18:15.000 They were talking about setting up a Francis Deontay Wilder fight.

02:18:18.000 That would be interesting.

02:18:21.000 They need to make that happen.

02:18:22.000 But boxing, you always get sucked in.

02:18:24.000 It's like there's these stories.

02:18:25.000 Like, are they doing that?

02:18:26.000 Are they doing that?

02:18:26.000 And then they don't do it.

02:18:27.000 Yeah.

02:18:27.000 Are they doing it?

02:18:28.000 You're right.

02:18:28.000 Are they doing it?

02:18:29.000 And they don't do it.

02:18:30.000 I mean, that's one of the problems with the sport.

02:18:32.000 Well, this is the Benavidez-Canelo situation.

02:18:34.000 Because if you ask the average, if you want a hardcore boxing fan's dream fight, it's not necessarily Canelo and Crawford, which is a great fight.

02:18:42.000 But you got this thing where Crawford's jumping up all this weight.

02:18:45.000 You're like, man, I don't know.

02:18:46.000 But the great fight is Canelo Benavidez.

02:18:49.000 Everybody knows it.

02:18:50.000 Everybody knows it.

02:18:50.000 Right.

02:18:51.000 That's the fight.

02:18:52.000 Can't make it happen, though.

02:18:53.000 It's been going on forever.

02:18:55.000 Pacquiao should have Floyd alone.

02:18:57.000 That's what I was going to say.

02:18:58.000 It happens all the time.

02:18:59.000 You can't never make the big fights happen.

02:19:01.000 That has to happen.

02:19:02.000 That fight has to.

02:19:04.000 If boxing is to be complete, if the circle of power is to be folded over onto whatever, the rocks you get for your ring, whatever Thanos gets.

02:19:14.000 Infinity stones.

02:19:16.000 Oh, sorry, guys.

02:19:17.000 Now I'm back in the conversation.

02:19:20.000 He had the gauntlet.

02:19:22.000 That's the only way it happens.

02:19:23.000 Like, you have to have that fight.

02:19:25.000 that's the fight.

02:19:26.000 And if they fuck that up, and if he goes up and now Benavidez is fighting light heavyweight more, you know, In fact, it's terrible.

02:19:36.000 I don't think it happens or it's going to be too late.

02:19:38.000 Canelo's probably going to lose.

02:19:40.000 He's going to have back surgery.

02:19:41.000 Did he?

02:19:41.000 No shit.

02:19:43.000 Yeah.

02:19:44.000 He had it on his Instagram.

02:19:45.000 He said his back's been fucking with him for 10 years and he finally got surgery.

02:19:48.000 Like, well, that might or might not help.

02:19:52.000 Back surgery is always like, 50-50.

02:19:54.000 Shit, I had one, and I'd knock on wood.

02:19:57.000 It gave me my life back.

02:19:58.000 I had sciatica fucking horribly.

02:20:00.000 Would you get which surgery?

02:20:02.000 Well, they did a laminectomy from like L2 all the way through S1.

02:20:07.000 Oh, so all of them were bulging?

02:20:09.000 Like, well, I had stenosis is what was happening.

02:20:13.000 So the bones were growing and pushing on the nerves.

02:20:15.000 I mean, I would get up in the morning and be fucking holding my wall to get to the bathroom.

02:20:19.000 And still rolling, son of a bitch.

02:20:21.000 Still rolling.

02:20:22.000 That's how dumb she is.

02:20:25.000 You feel business.

02:20:25.000 Like you said in the beginning.

02:20:27.000 40 years old.

02:20:28.000 It always hurts.

02:20:29.000 That shit's the worst.

02:20:30.000 I think it's an epidural shot.

02:20:32.000 Yeah, I remember when I blew my head.

02:20:33.000 I tried GSP.

02:20:35.000 When you fought GSP the second time, your back was fired.

02:20:38.000 It was back in January, New Year's Eve.

02:20:41.000 I could hardly walk.

02:20:43.000 And then I got Dr. Yasha on my black belts.

02:20:46.000 I went to the city, got an epidural shot, and that fucking started to bring me back.

02:20:52.000 Yeah.

02:20:53.000 But I literally couldn't walk, dude.

02:20:55.000 When I would go to brush my teeth, I couldn't posture myself back up.

02:21:00.000 It is the worst thing.

02:21:00.000 It was fucking bad.

02:21:02.000 Think about that, and then knowing that you have a cage fight coming up against a guy who's the best wrestler in the division.

02:21:08.000 How do you fight that motherfucker with a bad back?

02:21:08.000 That's what I said.

02:21:11.000 Yeah, well, shit, you saw the rematch.

02:21:13.000 The first one's way better.

02:21:15.000 Not at all.

02:21:17.000 Ah, shit.

02:21:18.000 But yeah.

02:21:19.000 There's stuff that you can do for your back, but man, it takes a long ass time to heal back injuries naturally.

02:21:26.000 What's going on with yours?

02:21:27.000 Mine's a lot better now, man.

02:21:27.000 You were saying?

02:21:29.000 And one of the things that I made sure I did this year is I do twice a week, I do lower back exercises, like core exercises with twists and lifting, like do back extensions with weights.

02:21:42.000 That changed everything.

02:21:43.000 Yeah, dude.

02:21:43.000 I do hypers and the reverse hyper machine for my lower back.

02:21:47.000 Yeah.

02:21:47.000 I do that too.

02:21:48.000 It used to bother me when I'd play pool.

02:21:49.000 I'd be done.

02:21:50.000 I'd be like real stiff, and that completely went away.

02:21:52.000 Good.

02:21:53.000 And really, what it all fucked up was from archery because, you know, you pull one way all the time and this side started getting this drawing.

02:22:01.000 It's almost like a tendinitis.

02:22:03.000 No, no, no.

02:22:04.000 I just ignored it and beat it into the ground.

02:22:06.000 And even though I was in pain, I still kept shooting while I was in pain.

02:22:09.000 So I fucked it up for months.

02:22:11.000 Now I draw, I have a cable pulley system at my gym.

02:22:14.000 So I hold a 10-pound weight and then I draw 80 pounds like I'm pulling a bow.

02:22:19.000 And I pretend I'm shooting a bow.

02:22:20.000 So I do that for as many reps as I shoot arrows.

02:22:24.000 I do that with my left side.

02:22:25.000 So I'm more balanced now.

02:22:27.000 And then the lower back exercises.

02:22:29.000 But fuck, it takes forever to not.

02:22:32.000 If you don't, if you want to really heal something and really get it better and not get surgery, it takes forever.

02:22:38.000 Let me ask you: with the bow hunting, what do you got against the gun?

02:22:42.000 What makes you want to, is it more primitive?

02:22:44.000 Is it more primal?

02:22:46.000 It's definitely harder.

02:22:47.000 It's more.

02:22:48.000 It's more difficult for sure.

02:22:48.000 That for sure.

02:22:51.000 And it requires more concentration.

02:22:54.000 And it's much easier to fuck up.

02:22:57.000 And that's why I like it.

02:22:59.000 But is it more satisfying?

02:22:59.000 It's harder.

02:23:02.000 You can't compare.

02:23:03.000 I've shot a lot of animals with a rifle hunting, and it's great.

02:23:07.000 It's very effective.

02:23:08.000 It's real smart.

02:23:09.000 It's a good way to hunt.

02:23:10.000 If you're hunting for food, like if I had to provide food for my family, I would 100% be hunting with a rifle.

02:23:15.000 100%.

02:23:16.000 No questions asked if that's what I'm doing.

02:23:18.000 But what I'm doing is I'm trying to get meat with my hobby.

02:23:22.000 So my hobby is archery.

02:23:24.000 And calling it a hobby is like a little disrespectful.

02:23:28.000 It's almost, it sounds very corny, but it's almost like a spiritual journey.

02:23:33.000 Like you're going to the woods and you're sneaking up.

02:23:37.000 I'm doing it with a guide who's a good friend of mine and we go together.

02:23:41.000 And we're sneaking up on these animals that are trying to avoid mountain lions and bears.

02:23:48.000 And you're getting within archery range of them and just launching a perfect arrow.

02:23:55.000 And that's how you're getting your food.

02:23:56.000 So every time you eat your food, it's the best food in the world, but you're also thinking how you got it.

02:24:00.000 Like you worked hard for a whole year to prepare for it.

02:24:04.000 You train for it.

02:24:05.000 I do cardio for it.

02:24:06.000 I do weighted, I carry a weighted backpack.

02:24:09.000 I put this fucking 45-pound plate on my back, and I walk around for hours.

02:24:13.000 I do a bunch of shit with these different exercises just for hunting training.

02:24:18.000 Well, how close is archery range?

02:24:21.000 Like, how close you had to get to him?

02:24:23.000 I'm comfortable anything inside 70 yards if I don't think the animal's moving a lot.

02:24:31.000 So, if an animal's moving a lot, like in the rut, sometimes they're fighting other males, so they'll run at each other and they'll come back, and like, then you can't take a shot like that because they're not going to be there when you shoot the, they're moving so fast.

02:24:42.000 It's not ethical.

02:24:43.000 With a rifle, you could.

02:24:44.000 With a rifle, you just need them to stop for a second.

02:24:47.000 Just stop for a second, baboom!

02:24:49.000 And you got him.

02:24:50.000 Did you ever shoot him but missed the kill shot?

02:24:53.000 You got to go over to it and stand cut in his throat.

02:24:57.000 No, what are you doing?

02:24:58.000 I mean, it's a horrible thing to think about.

02:24:58.000 I'm not going to do that.

02:25:00.000 You hit him with a second arrow.

02:25:02.000 Even if you hit him perfectly, and I've hit an elk perfectly before, if they don't go down, they're standing there.

02:25:09.000 As long as they're standing, you hit them with another arrow.

02:25:12.000 And that usually takes them out.

02:25:13.000 Yeah.

02:25:13.000 You want to do it as a bad thing?

02:25:16.000 You got one, not enough.

02:25:17.000 Now you got to track him down.

02:25:19.000 They're so tough.

02:25:21.000 You'll track them and you're like, this is so much blood.

02:25:23.000 There's no way this thing's not going to be dead five feet from here.

02:25:26.000 And then you'll find them 800 yards away, dead.

02:25:30.000 They're so tough because you're dealing with an animal that's like every day is mountain lion season.

02:25:30.000 It's crazy.

02:25:37.000 Every day there's mountain lions just sneaking up on them everywhere.

02:25:44.000 If they make it to be seven, eight years old, which is when I start hunting them, like these motherfuckers gangsters.

02:25:50.000 They're wise.

02:25:52.000 Some of them have one eye because they get their eye poked out by another dude because they get those antlers and jab in each other's faces.

02:25:59.000 My favorite meat is the venison.

02:26:02.000 Oh, my God.

02:26:04.000 Have you had elk meat?

02:26:05.000 Have you had any?

02:26:05.000 I don't think so, no.

02:26:06.000 God, I wish I would have.

02:26:07.000 I wish you lived here.

02:26:08.000 I'd give you some.

02:26:10.000 My father, though, he says game.

02:26:12.000 He froze there.

02:26:13.000 I have frozen elk out there right now.

02:26:15.000 If I had a freezer box, I could give you that.

02:26:17.000 Shit, man.

02:26:17.000 I mean, because they say that the venison, they say it's gamey or something.

02:26:21.000 Dude, not the way.

02:26:22.000 He makes it like a bad thing.

02:26:22.000 Yeah, if you know how to make it.

02:26:25.000 It's so fucking good.

02:26:26.000 It's all in taking proper care of it once you shoot it.

02:26:29.000 If you let the animal lay out in the heat, or if the meat gets dirty, or if you accidentally cut the glands, they have these tarsal glands on their legs.

02:26:38.000 That's a nasty smell that they're putting out so that the ladies hear it.

02:26:42.000 The ladies smell it rather and the other men know that they're there.

02:26:45.000 If that stuff gets on your meat, you're fucked.

02:26:47.000 There's a lot of it is like bad preparation, bad care.

02:26:51.000 But if you take care of venison and do it well, it's the best meat.

02:26:54.000 Delicious.

02:26:55.000 So delicious, man.

02:26:58.000 I love that shit.

02:26:58.000 I don't have it often, but when I do, it's my favorite, man.

02:27:02.000 The UFCPI should be serving that shit.

02:27:04.000 I bet they serve like buffalo, though, which is also.

02:27:07.000 How's horse meat?

02:27:08.000 I did try it.

02:27:08.000 You try that?

02:27:09.000 Peckoo is loved.

02:27:09.000 How is it?

02:27:10.000 Yeah, remember that?

02:27:11.000 I tried it in Montreal.

02:27:12.000 In Montreal, there's a place called Joe Beef.

02:27:15.000 Shout out to Joe Beef.

02:27:16.000 One of my favorite restaurants in the world.

02:27:18.000 It's an incredible restaurant.

02:27:19.000 I went there.

02:27:20.000 It's fucking great.

02:27:22.000 What does it make you feel powerful?

02:27:23.000 Is it tasty?

02:27:24.000 Oh, well, I didn't ask for it.

02:27:26.000 Let me just say that.

02:27:27.000 They served it to us.

02:27:30.000 The guys who run it are awesome.

02:27:32.000 We know them.

02:27:33.000 I met them through Bourdain.

02:27:34.000 And so they just served us whatever they wanted to serve us.

02:27:38.000 And one of the things they gave us was, it was like a loin of a horse.

02:27:44.000 And I was like, really?

02:27:45.000 Like, this is like tenderloin, like horse tenderloin?

02:27:48.000 And it was really good.

02:27:48.000 It tasted like game meat.

02:27:49.000 I actually went to Joe Beef with Vitor Belford and Sean Brady.

02:27:53.000 Oh, wow.

02:27:54.000 Oh, wow.

02:27:55.000 Yeah, it was a good restaurant.

02:27:56.000 That's cool.

02:27:57.000 That's cool.

02:27:58.000 Fogo the chow last night.

02:28:00.000 Just fucking wearing it out.

02:28:02.000 Yeah, man.

02:28:03.000 With the dark lord John Danaher.

02:28:05.000 Yeah, how's he doing?

02:28:06.000 He's doing good.

02:28:07.000 He's good.

02:28:08.000 He wasn't in a rash guard.

02:28:09.000 He was wearing a jersey.

02:28:10.000 He had a jersey on, dude.

02:28:11.000 What?

02:28:12.000 When he walked up, I was like, what the hell?

02:28:14.000 And he's walking very nice.

02:28:15.000 It's right.

02:28:16.000 His hips are peeling up.

02:28:17.000 He's got fucked up for a while.

02:28:18.000 So did he get both of his hips replaced now?

02:28:20.000 Yeah.

02:28:22.000 He's teaching over at his nice place.

02:28:23.000 He's three months out of his second hip surgery.

02:28:26.000 He looks good.

02:28:27.000 It makes you wonder, like a guy Who's that smart and that driven towards jiu-jitsu?

02:28:33.000 Like, what would happen if he didn't have a crippled body?

02:28:35.000 Oh, I know.

02:28:36.000 You know what I mean?

02:28:37.000 Well, even with a crippled body when he was rolling.

02:28:39.000 Yeah, he used to fuck people destroyed.

02:28:40.000 I know.

02:28:41.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:28:42.000 Like, blown apart knee, you know, reconstructed to the point where it doesn't even like fully extend, right?

02:28:47.000 Has to get what has he got and replaced so far?

02:28:50.000 I mean, I know both hips.

02:28:52.000 Did he get a knee too?

02:28:53.000 He might have got his knee because he said after the hip damaged his knee so bad that he thought he's gonna have to get the knee done.

02:28:58.000 Oh, he's walking great, though.

02:29:00.000 I was so happy.

02:29:00.000 Yeah, he looked good.

02:29:01.000 I'm like, man, look good.

02:29:02.000 It's always good to see him.

02:29:04.000 Yeah, that's my thing now.

02:29:05.000 I get to see him when I come out.

02:29:07.000 Your knee doesn't fuck with you, right?

02:29:08.000 My left knee?

02:29:09.000 No, but I fucking.

02:29:11.000 The one thing that really is, if I could just, it just haunts me is because I fucked up where you're supposed to step down with your bad leg when you get the surgery.

02:29:20.000 I went up, I went to put up my curtain, I stepped down, and if you see, I'll just show you here.

02:29:28.000 See, it's missing here.

02:29:30.000 Ooh, damn.

02:29:30.000 Yeah.

02:29:33.000 Yeah, you turn it into him.

02:29:34.000 I'm like, oh, man.

02:29:35.000 So beautiful.

02:29:37.000 And it's so fucking when I, sometimes I'll walk, it'll dip.

02:29:40.000 Like, I, it, you know, so it sucks.

02:29:43.000 I went to go butterfly sweep.

02:29:44.000 I felt it get real tight.

02:29:45.000 So I got the stem cells shot right in that bitch.

02:29:48.000 That's the only one that hurt because they said there's no way to do it.

02:29:50.000 But they can't reattach it.

02:29:52.000 I would have to done that earlier.

02:29:53.000 I didn't even know I did it earlier.

02:29:54.000 So I went back to PT the next day.

02:29:56.000 And I was dealing.

02:29:57.000 I didn't want to go through another fucking surgery.

02:29:59.000 I just got a new knee.

02:30:01.000 So, man, the knee itself, dude, titanium.

02:30:04.000 Adonamium.

02:30:05.000 What if the Wolverine's got to be a bit more?

02:30:09.000 But I could block a kick with that.

02:30:10.000 I feel great with it.

02:30:11.000 And I'm rolling.

02:30:12.000 I'm flexible.

02:30:13.000 But I fucked up that.

02:30:16.000 It's a little weak.

02:30:17.000 It's a little compromised.

02:30:18.000 Is there anything you can do with late weights?

02:30:22.000 I'm doing squats.

02:30:23.000 I'm doing my regular squats.

02:30:24.000 I got to do more.

02:30:25.000 I have to do more with the weights.

02:30:27.000 I'm thinking of like single-leg lunges, you know, like with that leg.

02:30:30.000 What do they call them?

02:30:31.000 Bulgarians?

02:30:32.000 Squats?

02:30:33.000 I'll hold like a 100-pound kettlebell and do them one lung.

02:30:35.000 Yeah, I got it.

02:30:36.000 It's noticeably weaker.

02:30:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:30:38.000 So I just got to do something with that.

02:30:39.000 But besides that, the knee itself, I just wish I didn't do that because I hear about Bisping running still.

02:30:45.000 If I run this fuck, I could dip with this.

02:30:47.000 That is my ass guy.

02:30:48.000 The running thing is weird, but how much time do you have on those knees?

02:30:52.000 Exactly.

02:30:53.000 Like, you kind of have to be.

02:30:54.000 And you got to get them fixed again.

02:30:56.000 But I mean, can they do that?

02:30:57.000 Can they chop the fucking thing off and put a new one in and unscrew it?

02:31:00.000 I'm not looking for it.

02:31:02.000 I'm holding off of my right one for as long as I can.

02:31:05.000 Is your right one still fucked?

02:31:06.000 My right one, I just got shot some stem cells in there, but yeah, if I'm walking too much, I'll feel that bitch.

02:31:11.000 Yeah, I mean, they're both just severely, not my left now, it's new, but it's just fucking arthritis, man.

02:31:18.000 Fuck, he doesn't sound like an old man with the arthritis.

02:31:20.000 Oh, my arthritis.

02:31:21.000 But it's jiu-jitsu.

02:31:23.000 Yeah, I mean, I know, also, to get to 55, I used to just fucking have to run in the morning for 45 minutes.

02:31:28.000 Low intensity, but just still, I was on a treadmill just fucking on enduro rush.

02:31:33.000 Fucking just running.

02:31:34.000 So I must have wore that shit down, man.

02:31:37.000 I'm sure, but that's what Bisping says.

02:31:38.000 He's always running.

02:31:39.000 Yeah, you know.

02:31:40.000 He ran a lot on the streets, too, which I'm sure is a lot of extra power.

02:31:43.000 That's no good.

02:31:44.000 I can't do that.

02:31:45.000 Yeah, he's still doing it, though.

02:31:46.000 He's fucking long.

02:31:47.000 He's out of his run.

02:31:49.000 Especially for jiu-jitsu.

02:31:50.000 Well, I think he's doing better now, luckily, because for a long time, his neck was fucking with him so bad he could barely get out of bed.

02:31:56.000 Jesus.

02:31:56.000 His body.

02:31:57.000 Yeah, I remember he had surgery, and like a week later, he was right back on the call.

02:32:02.000 Right back coming.

02:32:03.000 You got to be careful with your neck, too.

02:32:04.000 Like, that's where the spinal cord is.

02:32:07.000 I thought your spinal cord went all the way through your back till I had my back surgery, you know, but it doesn't.

02:32:12.000 It comes down like maybe halfway.

02:32:14.000 And so that's why when you have your neck impingements, cause a lot of those fucking problems.

02:32:19.000 That's why that Ernesto Hoost neck kick is so effective.

02:32:24.000 You know, when Hoost is kicked so many people in the neck, just wow.

02:32:29.000 He was always one of my favorite guys to watch.

02:32:29.000 He was a savage.

02:32:32.000 Mr. Perfect.

02:32:32.000 Yeah.

02:32:33.000 Yeah, one of the most beautiful kickboxers of all time.

02:32:35.000 Like just the combinations he would throw.

02:32:37.000 Pop, pop, left hook to the body, right low kick.

02:32:39.000 Wow.

02:32:40.000 And they ruined him with Bob Sapp.

02:32:42.000 I know.

02:32:42.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:32:43.000 Bob Sapphire.

02:32:45.000 Beat him twice.

02:32:46.000 Two times.

02:32:47.000 See, that'll always baffle me how Bob Sapp beat that guy.

02:32:50.000 Well, you know what it is?

02:32:51.000 Like, this is one of the reasons why Ernesto wasn't like the best candidate for kickboxing to enter into MMA because he was like smooth and super technical and very fast, but not explosive, right?

02:33:04.000 Not like, like, just launch himself.

02:33:06.000 But Crocop was.

02:33:08.000 Yeah.

02:33:08.000 When Crocop fought Bob Sapp, Crow Cop fucked Bob Sapp up because Crocop would just blast on you.

02:33:15.000 Yeah.

02:33:15.000 Like full power, full blast on you.

02:33:17.000 It's like, it was a different kind of thing that he would do.

02:33:20.000 And that's why he was so effective in MMA.

02:33:22.000 Like when he went over to MMA, like all of a sudden he's this fast, powerful striker.

02:33:26.000 It's not like a boxer who's going to move around a little bit and pick you apart for a few rounds.

02:33:31.000 Styles matter.

02:33:32.000 Matters a lot.

02:33:33.000 Styles matter.

02:33:33.000 I wish he would have been in the UFC in his prime.

02:33:37.000 He got over a little late.

02:33:38.000 He had pretty good takedown defense, too.

02:33:40.000 He was able to keep good range.

02:33:41.000 He would frame guys off and everything.

02:33:43.000 Yeah, he was, I mean, and we all know Beth is, what was it?

02:33:47.000 Left kick cemetery.

02:33:49.000 What was it?

02:33:50.000 Right kick hospital, left kick cemetery.

02:33:52.000 Bro, he fought Heath Herring.

02:33:53.000 And there's a shot of him throwing this low kick or this body kick deep into Heath Herring's cage.

02:34:01.000 Like his whole rib cage has just collapsed.

02:34:04.000 And you just see Crokop's shin basically touching his liver.

02:34:08.000 It's insane.

02:34:10.000 It's so deep that you just, it's one of the most painful pictures you see from an MMA fighter.

02:34:14.000 Heath Herring.

02:34:15.000 Remember that dude kissed him before he fighted.

02:34:16.000 Fighting him.

02:34:17.000 I am with one shot.

02:34:20.000 Yeah, in pride.

02:34:21.000 Listen, man, you get what he's doing.

02:34:23.000 It's the one in the upper left-hand side.

02:34:26.000 The second one, upper, that one right there.

02:34:28.000 Yeah, that one.

02:34:29.000 Look at that.

02:34:30.000 Bro, concave.

02:34:32.000 Bro.

02:34:33.000 Got to be some broken movies.

02:34:34.000 And when you know how powerful Crokop's kicks are, and then you think about eating that on the ribs like that.

02:34:41.000 Oh, my God.

02:34:42.000 He's like it's folding around his leg.

02:34:42.000 That is.

02:34:44.000 Yeah.

02:34:44.000 I mean, that's another one that he landed on.

02:34:46.000 That's Josh.

02:34:47.000 That's Josh Barnett.

02:34:48.000 Bro, the power that that dude had.

02:34:50.000 And how about the one that he landed on Vanderlane when he flatlined Vanderlane?

02:34:54.000 Dude, he had some wheels on him.

02:34:55.000 His legs.

02:34:56.000 And power.

02:34:58.000 It's just the difference was like when he was throwing kicks at you, it was 100% gas.

02:35:04.000 He was not feeling you out.

02:35:06.000 He was trying to let you know, motherfucker, there's some darkness behind the shaft.

02:35:12.000 You will see darkness, and then you have a flashlight in your face.

02:35:16.000 And they'll be like, you okay?

02:35:17.000 Stay put, stay put.

02:35:18.000 You're going to be okay.

02:35:20.000 But then Gonzaga did that to him.

02:35:21.000 Oh, remember?

02:35:22.000 I was there for that.

02:35:23.000 And then he rolled over his ankle.

02:35:24.000 Yeah.

02:35:24.000 Remember that man?

02:35:25.000 His ankle was popping.

02:35:26.000 And that will forever be known as the Crocop.

02:35:28.000 So whenever you see that happen, you always think back to when it happened.

02:35:31.000 That was in London.

02:35:32.000 We were there for that.

02:35:33.000 Yeah.

02:35:34.000 That's right after I got the belt.

02:35:35.000 And I remember me, you and Eddie went out and got some pasta.

02:35:38.000 That's right.

02:35:39.000 Yeah.

02:35:40.000 That's so funny.

02:35:40.000 That was crazy.

02:35:42.000 People forgot about Gonzaga.

02:35:44.000 That was a big win, man.

02:35:45.000 Oh, he shook you, Jesus.

02:35:46.000 He's a big fucking dude.

02:35:48.000 Big natural dude.

02:35:50.000 The heavyweight division right now is so shallow in the BFC.

02:35:53.000 It's so shallow.

02:35:54.000 It's like without, you know, because I just think they're all playing football and basketball.

02:35:58.000 100%.

02:35:59.000 Yeah.

02:36:00.000 What about Johnny?

02:36:01.000 What's Johnny?

02:36:02.000 Walter Walker.

02:36:02.000 I hate to say.

02:36:03.000 Walter Walker.

02:36:04.000 What about him taking leg locks at everybody?

02:36:06.000 Yeah, I know.

02:36:06.000 Like three in a row.

02:36:07.000 Yeah.

02:36:09.000 Looks good.

02:36:10.000 Yeah.

02:36:10.000 I mean, we need more of that.

02:36:12.000 We need someone to like, if Aspinall's going to have, he's got Cyril gone, right?

02:36:18.000 So that's an interesting fight.

02:36:19.000 And then who?

02:36:20.000 There's no one after that.

02:36:22.000 Jack Lewis, just on name.

02:36:24.000 Derek would be fun.

02:36:24.000 Yeah.

02:36:26.000 By the way, Cyril Gone didn't have a bad movie.

02:36:28.000 Not to keep bringing up movies, but I love movies.

02:36:30.000 But he had a fucking KO with Cyril Gone.

02:36:32.000 What is it?

02:36:33.000 It's a movie on Netflix.

02:36:34.000 He has his own movie.

02:36:36.000 He's an action star.

02:36:37.000 He's the star of the movie.

02:36:38.000 He's the star of it.

02:36:39.000 And you might be thinking, all right, how's his acting?

02:36:42.000 It wasn't bad.

02:36:43.000 Really?

02:36:44.000 Fucking, he's the new action Jackson.

02:36:46.000 I'm only fucking around.

02:36:47.000 Cyril Gonzalez was speaking in English.

02:36:50.000 I do remember that.

02:36:51.000 Is it in English?

02:36:53.000 It's dubbed in English.

02:36:55.000 So how do you know if he's any good?

02:36:55.000 It's a friend of mine.

02:36:58.000 Well, I mean, I watched it.

02:36:59.000 Yeah, but I'm saying it's like it's not even his voice.

02:36:59.000 What do you mean?

02:37:02.000 Well, you could see him.

02:37:03.000 You say his acting is really good, but it's another dude's voice.

02:37:06.000 That's kind of crazy.

02:37:07.000 Well, I mean, it's Cyril God's just not going to be.

02:37:09.000 You don't got to be.

02:37:10.000 He's called KO.

02:37:11.000 It's called KO, but it's not bad.

02:37:14.000 There he is.

02:37:16.000 Hey, listen.

02:37:18.000 You know, it's not the best sign when a fighter starts starring in movies.

02:37:25.000 Yeah, you're right.

02:37:26.000 I'm not saying that it's not fun.

02:37:27.000 Is this new?

02:37:28.000 Is this new?

02:37:29.000 This is pretty new.

02:37:30.000 Everybody watching for him and his chances against Tom Espinoff.

02:37:30.000 Yeah.

02:37:34.000 Yeah, like that's what I'm saying.

02:37:35.000 You better be training.

02:37:37.000 Yeah.

02:37:38.000 If there's a world that can soften you, it's the world of acting.

02:37:42.000 It's a weird thing, man.

02:37:43.000 I mean, acting and music kills fighters.

02:37:46.000 There's also a thing, like, once you become a movie star, like, I don't know, it just doesn't seem to go well.

02:37:51.000 Like, remember Tommy Morrison when fought Ray Mercer?

02:37:53.000 Oh, yeah.

02:37:54.000 Right after rocking.

02:37:55.000 Oh, that was a hard knockout.

02:37:57.000 He beat him down.

02:37:58.000 Mercer had him tangled in the road.

02:38:00.000 And robes punching him blasting away.

02:38:03.000 Boom.

02:38:04.000 Didn't Ray Mercer knock out Tim Sylvia also?

02:38:06.000 Yeah, he did.

02:38:08.000 One punch.

02:38:08.000 Yeah.

02:38:09.000 That was great.

02:38:10.000 One punch.

02:38:11.000 Ray Mercer, man.

02:38:12.000 And he did that.

02:38:13.000 He was like 46.

02:38:14.000 Remember when he, who the hell did he fight?

02:38:17.000 And it was like K-1 or Pride, and they kicked him and he just left the ring.

02:38:24.000 It was Ray Mercer.

02:38:26.000 Simmer, threw a head kick.

02:38:27.000 He looked at him like he's speaking a foreign language and he fucking just left.

02:38:30.000 Really?

02:38:31.000 Are you sure that was Mercer?

02:38:31.000 Ray Mercer?

02:38:32.000 I'm pretty sure.

02:38:35.000 Can we find that?

02:38:36.000 I don't know.

02:38:38.000 I think one of the most interesting boxers that entered into MMA or entered into kickboxing was when Masato fought cool Vince Phillips.

02:38:50.000 Vince Phillips.

02:38:51.000 Vince Phillips.

02:38:52.000 Vince Phillips did all right.

02:38:53.000 What are you talking about?

02:38:54.000 He couldn't deal with them leg kicks.

02:38:55.000 Yeah, back when he was.

02:38:56.000 He couldn't deal with that legs.

02:38:57.000 He chopped apart some leg kicks.

02:38:59.000 That's what's interesting when you watch a boxer who goes over there and is like, oh, shit.

02:39:03.000 Like, what is this?

02:39:04.000 They never got kicked in the leg before.

02:39:07.000 When Shannon Briggs fought Tom Erickson.

02:39:09.000 That's right.

02:39:10.000 Same thing.

02:39:10.000 Shannon was on the podcast.

02:39:12.000 He was telling me about it.

02:39:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:39:13.000 He's like, Jam, every time he hit me, champ.

02:39:15.000 I was like, oh, don't let him kick me again.

02:39:16.000 I've got to crit.

02:39:17.000 How did that go?

02:39:18.000 He knocked him out.

02:39:19.000 Shannon knocked him out because Shannon hit him with a jab to the body.

02:39:22.000 So here's the Tim Solar Mercer and Sylvia.

02:39:25.000 So what happened was Tim was not supposed to kick.

02:39:28.000 They only had this authorized as a fight.

02:39:31.000 But since it was like an MMA fight, there was supposed to be a boxing match.

02:39:38.000 One shot.

02:39:39.000 So what it was was supposed to be a boxing match.

02:39:41.000 They couldn't get authorized for it to be a boxing match because Tim Sylvia did not have a boxing record.

02:39:46.000 And so you can't fight a former world champion and you've had no boxing record, but you could fight him in MMA.

02:39:52.000 It's a world champion versus a world champion.

02:39:54.000 He knows that boxing is a sport that's in MMA.

02:39:56.000 You could do that.

02:39:57.000 And so they made an agreement: okay, don't kick me, and I'll fight you in the cage.

02:40:01.000 And then Tim opens up with an inside low kick.

02:40:04.000 And that's why Ray Mercer, you see, like, he drops his hands.

02:40:06.000 Yeah, like, what do you do?

02:40:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:40:08.000 That makes a lot of sense.

02:40:09.000 Because the original fight they were contracted for was a boxing match.

02:40:12.000 Right.

02:40:13.000 And Tim's like, once I got you in here, I'm going to kick your fucking legs.

02:40:16.000 Yeah.

02:40:16.000 And then Ray.

02:40:17.000 That's kind of a cheap shot, though.

02:40:20.000 If you make an agreement about that, that's a cheap shot.

02:40:22.000 Jamie, play it again.

02:40:23.000 Because when you see when Ray gets that inside low kick, he drops his hands.

02:40:27.000 He's got this look in his face.

02:40:28.000 What are you doing?

02:40:29.000 What the fuck is this?

02:40:30.000 So watch.

02:40:30.000 He steps out, watch this, throws the kick.

02:40:33.000 Look at his face.

02:40:34.000 Bro, they're like, bro, what's that?

02:40:36.000 Oh, I can't believe it.

02:40:38.000 I love him.

02:40:40.000 Tim Burr.

02:40:42.000 Tim Burr.

02:40:43.000 Out cold.

02:40:43.000 Yeah.

02:40:44.000 Ray Mercer.

02:40:45.000 Good for him.

02:40:46.000 I mean, Ray Mercer could fuck, son.

02:40:50.000 Into the shot, too.

02:40:52.000 Oh, yeah.

02:40:52.000 Yeah.

02:40:53.000 About to be a full mount right there.

02:40:55.000 It's kind of amazing how few boxers have actually entered into MMA.

02:40:59.000 Not, you know, this was like you got tricked into this one, but it's only like James.

02:41:03.000 You would think more would, too, right?

02:41:05.000 Yeah.

02:41:06.000 Well, I guess not if you see those Usik paychecks.

02:41:10.000 Yeah, but how many guys get there?

02:41:10.000 Right.

02:41:12.000 Like, think of, you know, relatively Spence and Crawford made.

02:41:16.000 That was like a big fight.

02:41:17.000 I mean, they probably still made a lot, a couple, you know, a gang of millions.

02:41:21.000 Right.

02:41:22.000 I mean, I'm guessing in the single-digit millions, though, not fucking hundreds of millions.

02:41:26.000 I bet it's disclosed.

02:41:27.000 See if you find out what the purse was, Jamie.

02:41:30.000 We need the next Art Jimison in here.

02:41:33.000 That's a 25 mil.

02:41:34.000 25 million.

02:41:35.000 25 mil each.

02:41:36.000 Nice.

02:41:37.000 At least 25 mil for their fight doesn't matter.

02:41:37.000 Nice.

02:41:39.000 But even still, it's such a small population of boxers to make that, as we said.

02:41:43.000 So you would think that more would go, you know what?

02:41:46.000 I probably got knocked to make 25 mil.

02:41:48.000 I'm not good enough to make that, but I'm good enough to maybe go to MMA and make 100 grand, 200 grand.

02:41:54.000 They got to sit there really good.

02:41:55.000 Learned how many other skill sets, though.

02:41:58.000 That's true.

02:41:58.000 But if you're a guy like Crawford who started out as a wrestler, that's that much.

02:42:02.000 And there are some of them.

02:42:03.000 I think like the Citron brothers, right?

02:42:06.000 One of them was a wrestler, too, I thought.

02:42:08.000 Yeah, Kermit Cintron.

02:42:09.000 Yeah.

02:42:10.000 Yeah.

02:42:10.000 I was digging through a boxing forum.

02:42:12.000 They didn't believe the Usik payout numbers.

02:42:14.000 They think it's bullshit?

02:42:14.000 Oh, they didn't believe it?

02:42:15.000 Yeah, I don't understand how they can do that.

02:42:18.000 Unless you're just lighting money on it.

02:42:20.000 You mean about the Usik numbers?

02:42:21.000 Yeah, the payout.

02:42:22.000 Oh, really?

02:42:23.000 No one believes it.

02:42:24.000 Oh, yeah, but that's just because they're haters.

02:42:26.000 I mean, no one proved it.

02:42:28.000 It was $200 million.

02:42:28.000 No one proved it.

02:42:30.000 It wasn't on pay-per-view.

02:42:31.000 There's no, like, unless someone just gave him the money.

02:42:34.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

02:42:37.000 This is the thing.

02:42:38.000 Those Saudis are known to do that.

02:42:41.000 I mean, look what they did with that Liv golf tournament.

02:42:44.000 Yeah.

02:42:44.000 They just bought the tournament.

02:42:46.000 And if they did that with basketball or with anything else, they have enough money to do that with basically all sports.

02:42:51.000 Supposedly they did it with the John Jones fight.

02:42:53.000 I said John Jones asked COC for $30 million to fight Tom Aspinall, then pulled out two days after they agreed.

02:42:59.000 He didn't think it would come up with the number, and they did.

02:43:01.000 Saudi Arabia was involved.

02:43:03.000 He was hoping they wouldn't meet the number.

02:43:05.000 I literally just saw that this morning.

02:43:07.000 That's what Aaron almost said.

02:43:08.000 Interesting.

02:43:09.000 I wonder where he's getting his information.

02:43:11.000 That's interesting.

02:43:12.000 He said earlier in the thing that he priced himself out of the Nganu fight, and he thought that that strategy would work again, but apparently they met the 30 million.

02:43:21.000 And then John, a couple days later, did the retirement thing and said he wasn't going to fight.

02:43:26.000 Why the fuck would he want to do that then?

02:43:28.000 Yeah, I'm with you.

02:43:30.000 Listen, it's a dangerous fight.

02:43:32.000 I had to ask for sure.

02:43:34.000 Especially at this point in John's career.

02:43:36.000 30 fucking million, though?

02:43:37.000 I would take the L for 30 million.

02:43:38.000 Yeah, but he doesn't want the L. Here's the thing.

02:43:41.000 The real thing is John's rich right now.

02:43:44.000 He's already a millionaire.

02:43:45.000 So what is he going to do?

02:43:46.000 What's that extra?

02:43:47.000 It's going to be nice to have an extra 30, but the reality is he's rich right now.

02:43:50.000 He probably doesn't have to work for the rest of his life if he doesn't do anything crazy.

02:43:53.000 He still makes money doing his appearances and whatever else.

02:43:56.000 And he doesn't have to take that ass kicking.

02:43:58.000 Not saying that he would, but if you wanted to look at it from that perspective, like if it's a tough fight, he's been through wars.

02:44:05.000 The Gustafson fights, all his work.

02:44:07.000 They all take something out of you.

02:44:08.000 And you got to know when you don't want to do that anymore.

02:44:11.000 And if that's where he's at right now, I hope he stays retired.

02:44:14.000 But then he jumped right back in and said he wants to fight at the White House.

02:44:18.000 So it's like, it's so hard for those guys to let it go.

02:44:21.000 When they do let it go, it's difficult to figure out who you are.

02:44:25.000 Man, we've got to see where that train's going to go off the tracks when he's not fighting.

02:44:31.000 Jane Kepa Robinson.

02:44:33.000 It's like an Aerosmith song, son.

02:44:35.000 I mean, guys at all-time great, though.

02:44:38.000 I mean, if not the all-time great.

02:44:40.000 I know who's going to have been really good lately.

02:44:42.000 And I forgot who he's going to be fighting, but Dominic Rey is fucked up for him.

02:44:50.000 He's like Carlos Lynch is crazy, right?

02:44:51.000 Oh, he's like, oh, bro.

02:44:53.000 That should be a good one.

02:44:54.000 In Australia.

02:44:54.000 That's a real good thing.

02:44:55.000 That's a real good one.

02:44:56.000 Olberg's interesting.

02:44:57.000 Olberg's fast.

02:44:59.000 I know.

02:45:00.000 He's fast.

02:45:01.000 He might be faster than Dominic Reyes.

02:45:04.000 I rewatched Dominic Rey as John Jones, and I could see Dominic Reyes winning that decision.

02:45:04.000 I'll tell you what, man.

02:45:09.000 That was a tough one.

02:45:10.000 That's a close fight.

02:45:11.000 I mean, I'm not saying I sat down and scored it, but I'm like, okay, I could see the argument.

02:45:18.000 I could see the argument.

02:45:19.000 I want to know John's story.

02:45:20.000 How much Coke did he do the week of the fight?

02:45:22.000 You know what I mean?

02:45:24.000 How about when he told DC that?

02:45:26.000 Yeah, regular hours on cocaine.

02:45:29.000 Like, that's got to be the coldest thing to ever say, right?

02:45:33.000 You know, they say there's nine years that a fighter can fight at his very best.

02:45:37.000 It's most for most athletes.

02:45:39.000 And I think they did this.

02:45:40.000 Someone was explaining this to me.

02:45:42.000 They think they did this based on tennis because tennis is all about like fast twitch and movement and the ability to explode back and forth.

02:45:49.000 And they're not taking any damage.

02:45:50.000 And you could kind of keep your level going at the highest level for about nine years.

02:45:56.000 And then everything just slows down a little bit.

02:45:58.000 It's just too many micro injuries.

02:46:01.000 I mean, the training for these things, that's the biggest thing is the camps, especially as you get older.

02:46:05.000 Fuck.

02:46:07.000 You know, getting there in one piece is just, it's just almost impossible.

02:46:12.000 If you want to just check all the boxes, get ready for these fucking things.

02:46:15.000 Yeah.

02:46:16.000 And when guys get to be like 37, 38, 39.

02:46:20.000 It's so hard to predict them to show up to fight.

02:46:22.000 I know.

02:46:23.000 I got to make predictions.

02:46:24.000 I'm like, well, they're 38.

02:46:27.000 I'll tell you what, dude, I'm not counting out Cannon here anymore.

02:46:27.000 Now.

02:46:30.000 After he beat Gregory Rodriguez, I was like, God damn.

02:46:34.000 Put it on him, too.

02:46:35.000 Put it on him.

02:46:36.000 And Gregory tried to take him out in that first round, man.

02:46:39.000 He went all gas.

02:46:40.000 Gregory's a beast, too.

02:46:42.000 RoboCop.

02:46:43.000 He just came back and knocked out the Joker Hermanson.

02:46:46.000 And that was brutal.

02:46:47.000 It was a battle.

02:46:48.000 Yeah, I think Gregory Rodriguez would be the biggest threat to Reiner DeRitter.

02:46:53.000 Oh, that's interesting.

02:46:54.000 Because just like when you think about Styles, just the biggest.

02:46:58.000 I think he would knock Reiner Dorito's head off, bro.

02:47:01.000 I like that thing.

02:47:01.000 The striking's terrifying.

02:47:02.000 DeRitter's got that knee to the body that is so interesting, the way he fucking forces you to clinch and then blasts that knee to the body.

02:47:10.000 It's tricky.

02:47:11.000 So good in the entrance with that knee to the body.

02:47:14.000 And when he did that over and over and over again, I was like, wow.

02:47:18.000 Pay for it one time with that overhand.

02:47:20.000 That's true.

02:47:20.000 And that's where Rodriguez would be fucking.

02:47:23.000 Yeah.

02:47:23.000 Throw that knee and fucking Robocop.

02:47:26.000 People start waiting.

02:47:27.000 That locked on his jaw.

02:47:28.000 But perfect nickname for him, too.

02:47:28.000 Yeah.

02:47:30.000 I know.

02:47:31.000 He looks like him.

02:47:31.000 Robocop.

02:47:32.000 He does look like him.

02:47:33.000 That's a fight, right?

02:47:35.000 DeRitter and Robocop is a fight.

02:47:36.000 That would be a crazy fight.

02:47:37.000 That's a good one.

02:47:38.000 That's a real good one.

02:47:40.000 I'm impressed with his jiu-jitsu, that DeRiddler, man.

02:47:42.000 Am I saying his name right?

02:47:43.000 DeRiddler?

02:47:43.000 It's DeRiddler.

02:47:44.000 The fuck?

02:47:45.000 Everything goes back to comics.

02:47:46.000 But, man, he's...

02:47:47.000 He's so big.

02:47:48.000 He is.

02:47:48.000 He's so big for 85.

02:47:48.000 Yeah.

02:47:50.000 But so is Robocop.

02:47:51.000 Yeah.

02:47:51.000 Mm-hmm.

02:47:52.000 The way he handled Bo Nickel.

02:47:53.000 He made the Bo Nickel small.

02:47:55.000 I thought that was a horrible matchup for Bo Nickel.

02:47:58.000 But it was a lot of those knees to the body.

02:47:59.000 I don't know.

02:48:00.000 Those knees to the body were nasty, man.

02:48:01.000 I didn't know face.

02:48:02.000 He was so good at it.

02:48:03.000 He was so good at throwing that knee to the body.

02:48:06.000 He's very calm, too.

02:48:08.000 Oh, yeah.

02:48:08.000 Well, he's been through it, man.

02:48:10.000 I mean, we haven't seen him, but over in one I've seen him.

02:48:12.000 That knee to the body is so nasty.

02:48:14.000 It's so nice.

02:48:15.000 It's so nice.

02:48:17.000 And he took a punch for it, too.

02:48:20.000 It doesn't matter.

02:48:21.000 That sucks.

02:48:21.000 Oh, my.

02:48:21.000 Yeah.

02:48:23.000 And on the ground, he's a monster.

02:48:24.000 Yeah.

02:48:24.000 What he did to Kevin Holland, I was like, whoa.

02:48:26.000 Okay.

02:48:27.000 Jiu-jitsu's on point, man.

02:48:28.000 So that's another 85-er.

02:48:29.000 I mean, think about that division.

02:48:31.000 You got Fluffy, who just, like, has this breakout performance last weekend.

02:48:35.000 You got, you know, the whole division.

02:48:37.000 Fluffy's funny, too.

02:48:38.000 Hey, what about that African dude?

02:48:39.000 Oh, my God.

02:48:40.000 Oh, my God.

02:48:41.000 I'm scared of him.

02:48:42.000 He might be the one.

02:48:43.000 He is so big.

02:48:45.000 You know what I'm talking about?

02:48:47.000 It's like a guy who was 185.

02:48:48.000 Yo, he, but he's fast.

02:48:50.000 Does anybody know the African dude's name?

02:48:52.000 Atier, something like that.

02:48:54.000 Ooh.

02:48:55.000 Is it Goutier?

02:48:56.000 Goutier.

02:48:57.000 Goutier.

02:48:57.000 It's a, you know, it's like a word for you.

02:49:00.000 Yeah, Atabi Goutier.

02:49:00.000 Atabi Goutier.

02:49:01.000 Yeah, yeah, that sounds more like it.

02:49:03.000 Am I saying that right, Jamie?

02:49:04.000 I don't know.

02:49:07.000 He's looking for verification.

02:49:08.000 He's from Cameroon as well, right?

02:49:10.000 Yeah.

02:49:11.000 He's scary.

02:49:11.000 Yeah.

02:49:12.000 He's real scary.

02:49:13.000 There's dudes that just, God just gave him an extra little, extra little, extra little.

02:49:19.000 He gave him more than an extra little.

02:49:21.000 I was, you know, Cadeside, man, we watching these dudes and he's punching this guy like in the back.

02:49:27.000 And the guy's like going, there he is.

02:49:28.000 Atiba Goutier.

02:49:30.000 Yeah.

02:49:31.000 And he's like 6'4", 185, doesn't have an ounce of body fat on him.

02:49:37.000 I mean, look at that photo of him.

02:49:39.000 Just look at that photo.

02:49:40.000 That's crazy.

02:49:41.000 You know?

02:49:42.000 That's like one of those, the guy your girlfriend tells you not to worry about photos.

02:49:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:49:48.000 There's a few of those guys that just, they don't even look real.

02:49:52.000 Rodolfo Vieira, he's another one.

02:49:54.000 You see him, you're like, how's that a real dude?

02:49:54.000 Yeah.

02:49:56.000 So here he is, man.

02:49:58.000 And this is in his last fight.

02:50:00.000 I mean, vicious power.

02:50:03.000 Vicious power.

02:50:03.000 Yeah, he bought this guy.

02:50:05.000 Like, that guy's just getting hit like, yo, somebody stop him.

02:50:09.000 You were talking about the heavyweights, man.

02:50:11.000 I was upset by Buscema, man.

02:50:12.000 Oh, Buscema?

02:50:13.000 Buscema.

02:50:15.000 Steven Buscema.

02:50:17.000 Oh, Steven Buscema.

02:50:18.000 I've been watching Boardwalk.

02:50:19.000 I was upset by Barada.

02:50:20.000 Yeah, he looked bad, Buscema.

02:50:24.000 Buscema, man.

02:50:25.000 He looked bad.

02:50:26.000 Horrible cardio.

02:50:27.000 How about they fucking got rid of the other dude?

02:50:29.000 That's weird.

02:50:29.000 That guy looked good.

02:50:30.000 Like, you fucked up.

02:50:30.000 They let him go.

02:50:32.000 I think I think they're going to resign him I think it's just a matter of like just like not having so many guys on a roster to have that burden to keep fighting them why that doesn't make any sense if the guy's on the like a win streak guys are the win streak yeah but I think they're I think they're going to resign him though it's just probably so it's just like they didn't sign in time well you know what it is like when they have so many guys on the roster they have to promise them certain amount of fights so oh so it's like let guys go so they don't have to promise them yeah so they don't have to promise him fights but for sure?

02:51:01.000 I'm just speculating because that's why they pay him if they don't.

02:51:04.000 Yeah, because they have to pay him anyway if they don't get a certain amount of fight or not.

02:51:07.000 I know, but I mean, imagine you just fought your ass off.

02:51:10.000 You beat Buchetch.

02:51:11.000 I guess Buchetch cutting you, right?

02:51:12.000 You're like, what?

02:51:14.000 I think what they'll do is when they need him again, they'll just get him back.

02:51:17.000 I was disappointed.

02:51:19.000 How bad shape he was getting, cardio-wise.

02:51:22.000 I think he banked on that single leg, which was getting taken away.

02:51:25.000 Have you seen him fight that rug rug guy or whatever and won?

02:51:28.000 That was a crazy fight, a crazy war.

02:51:30.000 He took a lot of torture.

02:51:31.000 Like, I was impressed because most jiu-jitsu guys, when they get hit like that, they're not out there for the fight.

02:51:36.000 And then in this fight, didn't look anything like the guy that fought at one, and I thought he was going to be better, you know, because he's training.

02:51:43.000 Let me ask you this.

02:51:44.000 What kind of drug testing do you think they're doing over there?

02:51:46.000 Yeah, none where.

02:51:48.000 Yeah, look at a drug test.

02:51:51.000 Drug testing?

02:51:53.000 You got a point.

02:51:55.000 I mean, this is a problem with a lot of guys we got from Pride.

02:51:59.000 Yeah.

02:51:59.000 You know, they come over with different physiques.

02:52:02.000 They look different.

02:52:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:52:04.000 100%.

02:52:05.000 Moudet signs with Octagon MMA, faces off with the heavyweight champ.

02:52:09.000 All right.

02:52:10.000 Well, he's staying busy.

02:52:12.000 You know, the guy's good, and we need good guys in the heavyweight division.

02:52:16.000 There's just not a lot of people.

02:52:17.000 I mean, the thing about it is it's like you got to be exciting.

02:52:21.000 I mean, I think part of it too is physically.

02:52:24.000 He looks horrible.

02:52:25.000 I think if he looked more marketable, I bet you'd still have a contract.

02:52:29.000 I know, but isn't there like something to a guy who looks like shit, fucks everybody up?

02:52:34.000 There is something to that.

02:52:35.000 Because he's always related.

02:52:35.000 Especially when he's a good person.

02:52:37.000 Look, when Fedor was in his prime, that was part of his charm.

02:52:41.000 Part of his charm.

02:52:43.000 Roll around his face and dead behind the eyes.

02:52:47.000 Old man back and shit.

02:52:48.000 How many guys didn't root for fucking Roy Nelson?

02:52:50.000 I'm not saying he looked like shit, bro.

02:52:52.000 He's like an everyday savage.

02:52:53.000 He's knocking guys out.

02:52:55.000 Fucking, you know, people like him.

02:52:57.000 Bro, people loved him.

02:52:58.000 That power that Roy had was crazy.

02:53:00.000 He came over from jiu-jitsu.

02:53:02.000 Everybody knew he was a black belt in jiu-jitsu.

02:53:04.000 Like, always competed in Abu Dhabi and the circuit.

02:53:06.000 Then all of a sudden he's throwing hammer.

02:53:10.000 He got this mullet and shit down here.

02:53:12.000 He's a savage.

02:53:13.000 He takes a shot better than any living human being that's ever lived.

02:53:16.000 I mean, who took a shot better than Roy?

02:53:19.000 He took some bombs, dude.

02:53:21.000 That guy took some bombs and absorbed them.

02:53:23.000 Nah, he was badass.

02:53:25.000 And people loved watching him fight with that big belly.

02:53:27.000 They left off.

02:53:28.000 That's me.

02:53:28.000 He made it up, too.

02:53:31.000 Yeah, he'd rub his belly.

02:53:33.000 Yeah, so I don't buy that.

02:53:34.000 He looked like shit.

02:53:35.000 It's just the performance was, it wasn't exciting.

02:53:38.000 If you watch that fight, that fight wasn't a good fight.

02:53:41.000 You know, Buchetcha didn't wrestle at a high level.

02:53:45.000 If you're going to be a jiu-jitsu guy and everybody knows you're as a multiple world champion in jiu-jitsu and you're fighting an MMA, son, you better have some take downs because ain't nobody going to want to be fucking grappling with you.

02:53:59.000 Why would they do that?

02:54:00.000 You're right.

02:54:01.000 He was just banking on that single leg.

02:54:03.000 And once he started taking that, he was taking away that single leg very well.

02:54:07.000 And then I'm like, oh, shit, it's a long way.

02:54:09.000 Like, oh, I thought too.

02:54:09.000 I was all excited.

02:54:11.000 I was like, oh, shit, let's see how this goes.

02:54:15.000 How many times have you watched a high-level jiu-jitsu match between two black belts and it starts in a standing position and no one goes down at all for like 10 minutes?

02:54:26.000 No good shots.

02:54:27.000 It's annoying.

02:54:28.000 They're just tying up.

02:54:29.000 There's no good shots.

02:54:30.000 There's no one threatens to take someone down.

02:54:33.000 Everyone's afraid to commit.

02:54:34.000 Oh, when you start on your ass in class, then you never practice your takedown.

02:54:39.000 100%.

02:54:40.000 You're right.

02:54:41.000 You're right.

02:54:41.000 You start on your knees.

02:54:42.000 But it's also that no one wants to take a chance and open themselves up to getting caught, right?

02:54:47.000 So you don't want to dive in for a double and then get caught in a guillotine.

02:54:51.000 Shit, man.

02:54:52.000 And Abu Dhabi, I pulled guard every fucking time, right?

02:54:55.000 I don't give a fuck.

02:54:56.000 If you trust in your guard or being able to get back, now they call wrestling up because I was doing that back in the day before it was called that.

02:55:02.000 But like, you know, if you're good at not letting somebody pass, especially the Abu Dhabi rule set, after five minutes, you know, all right, now I'm on back.

02:55:10.000 If I'm good at getting out and getting up and putting a guy down, you know what I mean?

02:55:13.000 It's all strategy with that.

02:55:13.000 I don't know.

02:55:15.000 But I hate when it's a stalemate with just two guys just fucking pummeling them fucking.

02:55:20.000 But I get it from the wrestler's perspective, too.

02:55:21.000 It's like, hey, fuck, fuck sitting on your ass.

02:55:24.000 Like, take me down, bitch.

02:55:25.000 You want me on the ground?

02:55:26.000 You got to take me to the ground.

02:55:28.000 I get that, too, because that's correct.

02:55:29.000 And that's one of the things that you see that's like very humbling for a real good jiu-jitsu guy when there's no way he can take a guy down.

02:55:37.000 And then the guy starts beating him up standing up.

02:55:39.000 And you're just rushing forward, trying to grab him.

02:55:42.000 You can't get the fight to your expertise level, your area of expertise.

02:55:46.000 It looks so bad.

02:55:47.000 It's especially bad.

02:55:48.000 Nothing to fear from you standing.

02:55:50.000 Exactly.

02:55:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:55:52.000 Exactly.

02:55:52.000 What about Don Fry and Amri Batech?

02:55:55.000 Oh, yeah.

02:55:56.000 That was a bad ball for that.

02:55:58.000 That was a moment.

02:55:59.000 And he was tiny, by the way.

02:56:01.000 That was a stud, but he might have done well if they gave him anybody else.

02:56:05.000 But one, he was a if you watch that again, he's way smaller.

02:56:08.000 And that's a small Don Fry back then, too.

02:56:10.000 Don Fry was a 200.

02:56:12.000 That was before he really got on the gas.

02:56:15.000 Don Fry is a lot different than that Don Fry.

02:56:17.000 Pride Don Fry is a superhero.

02:56:19.000 Yeah, he got gigantic.

02:56:21.000 Even his mustache got bigger.

02:56:23.000 I didn't know that that guy, the big Japanese guy, that they were punching each other in the face.

02:56:27.000 I didn't know that guy became a quadriplegic.

02:56:29.000 Something happened.

02:56:30.000 I saw a picture of him visiting him.

02:56:32.000 How small he is.

02:56:33.000 Yeah, come on, dude.

02:56:35.000 Yeah, Don was not big.

02:56:37.000 Look at Don.

02:56:38.000 I mean, he wasn't a big muscular.

02:56:39.000 I mean, obviously super.

02:56:42.000 This is crazy.

02:56:43.000 But not the Dom from Pride.

02:56:45.000 The giant roided up Don Fry from Pride was a different Amari was just trying to get down there.

02:56:52.000 He just grabbed the fence.

02:56:53.000 Grab the fence.

02:56:56.000 Full-on grabbing the fence.

02:56:57.000 Look, he's hanging onto the fence with shoes on.

02:56:59.000 That's the other thing.

02:57:00.000 He's got wrestling shoes, which is also kind of crazy.

02:57:03.000 Poor Omari.

02:57:03.000 Sucks.

02:57:04.000 I mean, he didn't have any fears.

02:57:05.000 It was bad.

02:57:05.000 I used to train with Amari back, old school top team back there.

02:57:07.000 It was a long fight.

02:57:09.000 What do you think Amri Batech weighed in this fight?

02:57:11.000 I'm going to say an opposite round.

02:57:12.000 What do you think?

02:57:13.000 A buck 70 or something?

02:57:15.000 He's crazy.

02:57:16.000 He looks small.

02:57:16.000 I mean, look at his size.

02:57:17.000 There's different weight clothes.

02:57:19.000 Look how young he is.

02:57:20.000 I know.

02:57:21.000 Big difference.

02:57:22.000 No gloves.

02:57:23.000 Yeah.

02:57:24.000 Yeah, shit.

02:57:25.000 Was 30 years ago.

02:57:26.000 Wow, so crazy.

02:57:28.000 What?

02:57:28.000 30 years?

02:57:28.000 It was 96.

02:57:30.000 Sometimes I forget him fucking in my 50s.

02:57:33.000 This is a catch weight.

02:57:33.000 51.

02:57:35.000 I'll be 57.

02:57:36.000 It was catch weight.

02:57:37.000 Yep.

02:57:37.000 Did it say Amre Betetch's weight?

02:57:39.000 I'm looking up a different spot.

02:57:42.000 He looks like Walter Weight.

02:57:43.000 Yeah.

02:57:46.000 There was a lot of those fights back then.

02:57:47.000 Oh, my God.

02:57:48.000 Tons of them.

02:57:49.000 Catch weights?

02:57:50.000 No, just crazy fights where there was fighting someone way smaller than them.

02:57:54.000 It's like Kerr and Gajell, Fabio Gergel.

02:57:56.000 Yeah, that's one of my favorite fights of all time.

02:57:59.000 I was a big Fabio fan.

02:58:01.000 Well, I was crazy.

02:58:04.000 Murillo Bustamante fighting Tom Erickson for 45 minutes.

02:58:08.000 I know.

02:58:08.000 Oh, yeah.

02:58:09.000 Marillo was a jiu-jitsu guy that had some stand-up and had some wrestling.

02:58:14.000 He took Linland down.

02:58:16.000 He sat on the feet with Chuck Liddell.

02:58:16.000 Yeah, remember?

02:58:18.000 I thought he had Linland twice.

02:58:20.000 Twice.

02:58:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:58:21.000 Marillo Bustamante is one of my favorites to watch.

02:58:24.000 The thing about the Jiu-Jitsu guys back then, some of those guys, Fabio Gajelle's another one.

02:58:29.000 Marillo is their jiu-jitsu games, it could transfer over from Gi, No Gi, MMA, and it all resembles the same skill set.

02:58:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:58:40.000 But it could cross over.

02:58:41.000 Mario Sperry.

02:58:42.000 Mario Sperry.

02:58:44.000 Yeah.

02:58:45.000 He was great too.

02:58:46.000 You know?

02:58:48.000 A lot of those guys from that Carlson Gracie team had a real solid team.

02:58:48.000 Yeah, man.

02:58:52.000 Real good team, man.

02:58:53.000 Jiu-Jitsu game.

02:58:54.000 Yeah.

02:58:54.000 Couldn't doubt Carlson's teaching.

02:58:56.000 Like, a lot of savages came out of that camp.

02:58:59.000 A lot of them.

02:58:59.000 Yeah.

02:59:00.000 Including Vitor.

02:59:01.000 Well, that's how I got my black belt from, from Laborio, from that camp.

02:59:05.000 Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, Laborio was.

02:59:08.000 Laboro was awesome.

02:59:09.000 He was a good dude.

02:59:10.000 I don't see him.

02:59:10.000 Where's he been?

02:59:11.000 He's in Orlando.

02:59:12.000 He's got a school in Orlando.

02:59:13.000 He's still got a school.

02:59:14.000 He's still got a school.

02:59:15.000 And like the whole network.

02:59:16.000 He's not going for MMA anymore.

02:59:18.000 No, no MMA stuff.

02:59:19.000 I used to see him in Japanese.

02:59:20.000 He rolled out of top team.

02:59:21.000 Never.

02:59:21.000 Nice guy.

02:59:22.000 What a sweetheart guy that guy is.

02:59:24.000 Yeah, he wasn't.

02:59:25.000 When did he leave top team?

02:59:26.000 He left before I did.

02:59:28.000 Really?

02:59:28.000 Yeah.

02:59:29.000 So, I mean, in fact, like when he left, that's when they really hired me to kind of take his place in top team.

02:59:37.000 Oh, that makes sense.

02:59:38.000 Yeah.

02:59:38.000 That makes sense.

02:59:40.000 What is this like 2019?

02:59:41.000 He's talking about coming up.

02:59:42.000 Oh, Joe Piver.

02:59:44.000 Joe Pfeiffer, yeah.

02:59:44.000 Oh, yeah.

02:59:46.000 He's fighting Abus Magametoff.

02:59:48.000 Ooh.

02:59:48.000 Yeah.

02:59:49.000 Joe Piper.

02:59:50.000 I like Joe, man.

02:59:51.000 He's fucking tall.

02:59:52.000 He's got some hands in that fucking shit.

02:59:54.000 Joe Piver thought that I was too hard on him in the commentary of the last fight.

02:59:57.000 But it's just because it's just because of his potential.

03:00:00.000 That's all it is.

03:00:01.000 I just knew that he was looking for the big shot instead of just letting it come.

03:00:05.000 He was so good in the first round that unfortunately he had so much success and almost took him out that he started looking to take him out.

03:00:13.000 And if you load up with Kelvin, he still boxed.

03:00:17.000 I think it freaked him out a little bit that Kelvin was still there.

03:00:21.000 he's like, yo, I didn't hit this dude with everything.

03:00:22.000 This dude's still here.

03:00:23.000 What the hell is going on?

03:00:24.000 Nobody's got a chin like that guy.

03:00:26.000 Yeah, chubby, though, Kelvin.

03:00:28.000 He's a 70.

03:00:28.000 Yeah.

03:00:30.000 He's a 70.

03:00:31.000 Yeah.

03:00:31.000 He shouldn't be.

03:00:31.000 But he's always had such problems making it.

03:00:34.000 But you know what, man?

03:00:34.000 Yeah.

03:00:35.000 It's just like if that guy was at the UFCPI and they gave him all his meals and he had someone babysit him and make sure you don't just don't fuck off.

03:00:43.000 Don't eat anything other than this.

03:00:44.000 And it's like too many guys just want to feel comfortable.

03:00:47.000 Yeah.

03:00:48.000 It's like, okay, but you're not going to feel comfortable losing.

03:00:50.000 So you're fighting a giant.

03:00:50.000 Right.

03:00:52.000 Yeah.

03:00:52.000 And that this guy's coming down from an extreme weight.

03:00:56.000 185.

03:00:57.000 First 210.

03:00:59.000 Oh, Umre Petach is 185?

03:00:59.000 And that's why.

03:01:01.000 Okay.

03:01:01.000 Yeah.

03:01:02.000 He's also a late replacement.

03:01:02.000 Damn.

03:01:04.000 I'm sorry.

03:01:04.000 I got to go back again.

03:01:05.000 Well, let's wrap it up.

03:01:06.000 Oh, man, guys.

03:01:07.000 My ass is stopping this.

03:01:08.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

03:01:09.000 We've been doing it for three hours.

03:01:11.000 We've been doing it three hours.

03:01:12.000 Okay, I feel you guys are going to fucking curse me after this.

03:01:15.000 I'm sorry.

03:01:16.000 No, no, no, no.

03:01:17.000 You got a legitimate issue.

03:01:17.000 We understand.

03:01:17.000 Be in my head.

03:01:19.000 I have a lot of issues.

03:01:20.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

03:01:23.000 Ground control, Baltimore, Maryland.

03:01:25.000 Can I have a fucking shirt?

03:01:26.000 GroundcontrolBaltimore.com.

03:01:28.000 It's crazy that I didn't bring that up.

03:01:29.000 Showgunfights.com.

03:01:31.000 Don't worry.

03:01:31.000 I got you, Matt.

03:01:32.000 Thank you.

03:01:33.000 Medium now.

03:01:34.000 And I'll be back in the Dean Thomas Fight Court, the new podcast.

03:01:36.000 Yes.

03:01:37.000 Oh, you got a new one?

03:01:38.000 I always got it on.

03:01:39.000 Dean Thomas Fight Court.

03:01:41.000 At B-MoreMMA on Instagram, too.

03:01:44.000 I'll see you this weekend in Chicago, right?

03:01:45.000 Yeah, I'll be there.

03:01:46.000 Yeah.

03:01:47.000 Matt's our channel on YouTube.

03:01:48.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

03:01:48.000 We done?

03:01:49.000 Yeah, I'm done.

03:01:50.000 Matt Ser channel on YouTube.

03:01:51.000 I'm having fun with that.

03:01:53.000 I got a little podcast that can, like 30-something thousand.

03:01:56.000 I want to get to 100,000.

03:01:58.000 Come join the fun.

03:01:58.000 Yep, that's fun.

03:02:00.000 We're going to kick out there.

03:02:00.000 We got a ground control in Sykesville opening up soon.

03:02:04.000 So number six is on its way.

03:02:06.000 Nice, nice.

03:02:07.000 And the website has all the addresses and everything listed.

03:02:11.000 All right.

03:02:12.000 Guys, so much fun.

03:02:13.000 Dude, thank you.

03:02:14.000 Always great.

03:02:14.000 So much fun.

03:02:15.000 Thank you, Joe.

03:02:15.000 Appreciate you guys.

03:02:16.000 Thank you.

03:02:16.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 14, 2025

JRE MMA Show #169 - Protect Ya Neck

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