The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #17 with Yoel Romero & Joey Diaz

00:00:00.000 Five, four, three, two, one. 0.99

00:00:05.000 And we're live with Joey Coco Diaz and one of the baddest motherfuckers on the planet, Yoel Romero! 0.99

00:00:12.000 In the house! 0.99

00:00:14.000 Thank you so much.

00:00:15.000 So, Yoel, you got a good grasp of English.

00:00:17.000 Pretty good.

00:00:18.000 Joey's going to help fill in the blanks.

00:00:20.000 And we'll be able to have some good communication here.

00:00:23.000 You guys did a podcast last night in Spanish.

00:00:25.000 Yes.

00:00:26.000 Spanish, Spanglish, and English.

00:00:27.000 We started in English and it went into Spanglish.

00:00:31.000 I just wanted to know, I wanted people to know how Romero was.

00:00:34.000 We talked about Cuba and his humble beginnings, how he went to school from Monday to Fridays at a pyramid, and you just wrestled. 0.84

00:00:43.000 And that's how they do it in Cuba.

00:00:45.000 Then you go up the pyramid, and now he only went home on the weekends.

00:00:48.000 A pyramid meaning?

00:00:49.000 It's a pyramid school.

00:00:54.000 Um...

00:00:57.000 It's a system.

00:01:01.000 It starts at about seven years old.

00:01:06.000 All the sports in Cuba start that way.

00:01:15.000 And you go up the pyramid.

00:01:17.000 You stay there for the week and they educate you, they feed you.

00:01:25.000 You sleep there, you wrestle there, you wrestle.

00:01:29.000 You wake up in the morning.

00:01:39.000 Seven in the morning.

00:01:41.000 Everything is run by a schedule.

00:01:45.000 Militaristic style.

00:01:49.000 Seven to eight breakfast.

00:01:55.000 8 to 12, school.

00:01:58.000 You went to school.

00:02:01.000 History, the basic stuff.

00:02:03.000 Mathematics.

00:02:06.000 Physics.

00:02:07.000 Everything.

00:02:08.000 How did they decide what sport you compete in?

00:02:12.000 How did you choose wrestling?

00:02:13.000 Was that just something that you loved?

00:02:15.000 Or did you like other sports?

00:02:17.000 How did you choose to focus on wrestling?

00:02:23.000 In the beginning, I want to make it boxing.

00:02:27.000 Boxing?

00:02:27.000 Boxing.

00:02:28.000 My daddy, you know, for the family, for my dad, it's boxing and wrestling people.

00:02:34.000 It's my family, wrestling and boxing.

00:02:37.000 But I love boxing in the beginning.

00:02:40.000 My dad said, no, it's...

00:02:42.000 I don't like you making sports, boxing, because boxing is too much punch in the face.

00:02:48.000 It's not good, it's not good.

00:02:50.000 But, you know, in the beginning I make a boxing, escondido de mi papá.

00:02:55.000 He would hide it from his dad.

00:02:57.000 Oh really?

00:03:01.000 Six years old, he was boxing and he would hide it from his dad.

00:03:04.000 A little Ramos, the Olympic, whatever, in 1980. He would sneak around with him. 0.95

00:03:19.000 He would learn with him how to box, hiding from his dad.

00:03:23.000 When did you focus on just wrestling?

00:03:25.000 When did wrestling take over? 0.73

00:03:27.000 Okay.

00:03:28.000 In my city, in my city, Pina del Rio, everybody knows my family.

00:03:36.000 One coach for wrestling, Jose Vizcaíno, he sees me and I go to...

00:03:44.000 The pyramid system is made in this way.

00:03:49.000 Many trainers...

00:03:50.000 There's a lot of trainers in the pyramid.

00:03:53.000 ...they go to schools.

00:03:54.000 They go to the schools.

00:03:57.000 And to look for talent.

00:04:01.000 And they do tryouts.

00:04:03.000 Depending on how you're doing the testing.

00:04:12.000 So it's just like they go, they evaluate you, and then they decide what's best for you.

00:04:18.000 For example, you coach for boxing.

00:04:21.000 I am coach for judo.

00:04:26.000 Boxing?

00:04:27.000 Taekwondo?

00:04:28.000 Taekwondo, something like this.

00:04:30.000 We say, okay, we go to tomorrow for school.

00:04:36.000 And we test the people for the kids.

00:04:39.000 You test for the boxing, I do it for wrestling, and you do it for Taekwondo.

00:04:47.000 And now you see 10 kids You've got 10 kids and you see who is the best, who is the talent for boxing.

00:04:59.000 Maybe you see, okay, for boxing good, maybe not good.

00:05:04.000 But you see, you can say, oh, for boxing not good, but for Taiwan, hey, Joy, this guy, I have a talent for your sport.

00:05:13.000 And now, you know, like this.

00:05:15.000 And that's the pyramid of the system in Cuba, you know.

00:05:19.000 The people take it when the kid is very young, you know, and go to the, for the special school for sport, you know.

00:05:32.000 The lowest level.

00:05:34.000 The lowest level.

00:05:38.000 Pre-EIDE.

00:05:40.000 Yes, it's the lowest level.

00:05:45.000 The other level, the highest level after that is called EIDE.

00:05:50.000 EIDE, that's the second level.

00:05:52.000 Yeah.

00:05:53.000 The third level is ESPA.

00:05:57.000 ESPA. ESPA. ESPA. ESPA tiene, con otro nombre, un nivel más alto.

00:06:04.000 Se llama ESPA Nacional. ESPA Nacional.

00:06:07.000 That's the highest level.

00:06:09.000 That is the junior.

00:06:10.000 Junior, okay.

00:06:11.000 Junior.

00:06:12.000 Then you get the selection to be national.

00:06:18.000 Yeah.

00:06:19.000 Like an Olympic center like that.

00:06:20.000 Like the Olympic center.

00:06:21.000 So they take you to a different center.

00:06:23.000 So you keep going up until you get to the UFC training facility.

00:06:28.000 Matt Brown told me that he did his camp for, I think it was the Mike Pyle fight, did his camp in Cuba.

00:06:34.000 Yeah.

00:06:34.000 And he said it was just tremendous talent.

00:06:37.000 He said he just couldn't believe how good the boxers were, how good the wrestlers were.

00:06:40.000 It was just unbelievable.

00:06:41.000 Yeah.

00:06:42.000 I hear that Mark Brown stayed in Cuba.

00:06:44.000 I hear.

00:06:45.000 Yeah.

00:06:45.000 For six weeks.

00:06:46.000 Yeah.

00:06:47.000 He stayed in Masato.

00:06:51.000 He went to the highest level when he was down there.

00:06:55.000 Yeah.

00:06:56.000 Yeah, he said he got worked.

00:07:00.000 I know.

00:07:01.000 Those are good guys, man.

00:07:03.000 He said they were good.

00:07:04.000 Ahora mismo, ahora mismo, I think Yo no puedo ir a un centro olímpico Así, tengo que ir suave porque He thinks he can't even go back there to that center now Now they would spank him at his age.

00:07:23.000 That's crazy.

00:07:24.000 I tease him.

00:07:29.000 That's crazy.

00:07:29.000 When you were there, one of the things that Matt was saying, and Matt Brown had tremendous respect for the Cuban athletes, and he said it was an amazing, amazing system that produced great, great talent.

00:07:40.000 But he's saying that as you get higher and higher levels, your accommodations are better, where you sleep is better, your food, you get more food.

00:07:48.000 So a lot of incentive to improve. - Let's move.

00:08:01.000 It's true.

00:08:02.000 Yeah.

00:08:02.000 It's the reality.

00:08:10.000 It's hard to say, but it's a reality.

00:08:12.000 He's going to tell you.

00:08:13.000 Because I've been to many Olympic centers in the world.

00:08:19.000 He went to a lot of Olympic centers all over the world.

00:08:22.000 And so he's the number five or number six of that country.

00:08:30.000 The number five and the number six wrestlers from those countries eats the same as number one.

00:08:39.000 In Cuba it's not like that.

00:08:41.000 If you're number three, you don't eat what number one eats.

00:08:52.000 Wow!

00:08:54.000 And you're not gonna eat the same as number two either.

00:08:59.000 The number one guy has the most privilege.

00:09:03.000 It's good and it's bad.

00:09:07.000 Because it pushes you to be the best.

00:09:08.000 You want to get more food.

00:09:11.000 What's the bad part?

00:09:15.000 That not everybody has to be the best at what they're doing.

00:09:23.000 That's the worst part of it.

00:09:28.000 Right.

00:09:31.000 You're not going to have the privilege of eating a lobster.

00:09:34.000 It's rough, but if you look at how small Cuba is, but how many great talents have come from Cuba, obviously it's effective.

00:09:44.000 I mean, it has its merits, right?

00:09:46.000 Like, that system, it's a brutal system, but it seems to be very effective in producing super high-level athletes.

00:09:52.000 They didn't give me no trophies for second place.

00:09:54.000 There's no, yeah, no, there's no participation trophies.

00:09:57.000 No, I mean, they also give you a little trophy, you know?

00:10:03.000 Siempre el oro, la plata y el bronce tienen sus trofeos, sus medallas, pero llega un punto donde ya no quieres el trofeo.

00:10:17.000 There comes a point where you don't want the trophy anymore.

00:10:21.000 You want to eat what the best guys eat.

00:10:27.000 You want to sit with the best guys eat. 0.99

00:10:33.000 I got third place, but who gives a shit? 0.99

00:10:36.000 Everyone wants to be where everyone wants to play the first. 0.99

00:10:40.000 When you get to a place, the people see the champs.

00:10:43.000 The people want to touch the champs.

00:10:45.000 The people want to stay where the champs stay.

00:10:50.000 And that's where the people want it.

00:10:53.000 The number three, number four, we say, I want to stay.

00:10:56.000 Okay, I take the trophy.

00:10:58.000 I stay the medal.

00:11:00.000 Okay, but...

00:11:01.000 I want to feel what the champion is feeling.

00:11:04.000 I want to walk where the people walk.

00:11:08.000 I want to stay, eat.

00:11:10.000 I want the people to talk like me when the people talk to the champion.

00:11:14.000 That's what the system pushes.

00:11:19.000 And that's what I say every time.

00:11:22.000 Every time that's what I say.

00:11:25.000 The system pushes you like this.

00:11:33.000 The more that the guy that trains the most, the system is the best.

00:11:40.000 Every time, every time you see, look at this, you stay for, because I stay in the national team for almost 15 years, 15 years, staying in the Olympic Center.

00:12:00.000 You can't imagine staying with the 10 guys for 15 years and the 15 years, 10 guys, I want to kill you.

00:12:19.000 That's pressure. 0.95

00:12:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:23.000 Listen, los cuartos son, it's a building, you know, it's a building with a lot of rooms.

00:12:34.000 But there are times that the rooms stay in front of, it's like a hotel, you know, the rooms stay in front of, that's my room, that's the room for the...

00:12:41.000 I'm not a guy but this guy is the same division.

00:12:46.000 Right.

00:12:47.000 El Baver todo.

00:12:48.000 He can see for 15 years everything you're doing.

00:12:52.000 Everything that you eat.

00:12:53.000 Everything that you're sick.

00:12:56.000 Everything. 0.97

00:12:56.000 He knows about you. 0.97

00:12:58.000 - You do everything. - So you live with your opponents.

00:13:01.000 - Right, right.

00:13:02.000 - They know when you're sick, they know.

00:13:03.000 It's not like when you're fighting Matt Brown, and he's in Kentucky, and you're in Denver training, nobody knows what's going on.

00:13:10.000 - Right.

00:13:11.000 - There, they train, so you know what I'm doing, and I know what you're doing.

00:13:15.000 So we're all on the same floor.

00:13:17.000 They do it like that to build adversity, whatever the hell they're building in between.

00:13:21.000 - Yeah, adversity, yeah, for sure.

00:13:22.000 Yeah. - You know how you have to prepare yourself mentally.

00:13:26.000 Do you know how you prepare yourself mentally for that?

00:13:29.000 How do you? 1.00

00:13:30.000 You have to become a fucking machine. 1.00

00:13:36.000 But it's not only machine in the fight. 1.00

00:13:40.000 In the fight.

00:13:41.000 No, no, no.

00:13:42.000 Machine in your life.

00:13:44.000 Yeah.

00:13:45.000 When you're sick.

00:13:48.000 If you broke something.

00:13:52.000 This guy.

00:13:52.000 Not only one.

00:13:53.000 It's ten guys.

00:13:55.000 You got that.

00:14:08.000 No.

00:14:08.000 You have to become a machine inside and out.

00:14:11.000 Because those ten guys know when you're sick.

00:14:13.000 Right.

00:14:13.000 They know when you get hurt.

00:14:15.000 So now I'm training with you, but I saw that you hurt your wrist in training. 0.99

00:14:18.000 I'm going after that fucking wrist. 0.99

00:14:20.000 Right, right, right. 1.00

00:14:20.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:14:21.000 Like, it's just, it's intense.

00:14:24.000 So...

00:14:25.000 That's why he's the machine that he is.

00:14:27.000 He says, it only trains you to be a machine on the outside, but also trains you to be a machine on the inside.

00:14:33.000 And, Joe, listen.

00:14:34.000 This is very important too.

00:14:37.000 I am come for Pinot de Rio City.

00:14:41.000 Push this up.

00:14:42.000 Okay.

00:14:43.000 Thank you.

00:14:44.000 I come for the Pinot de Rio City.

00:14:51.000 Sometimes, you know, Everything is with ages.

00:14:58.000 In Cuba, you don't fight, if you're 12, you don't fight a 17 year old.

00:15:13.000 You fight somebody who's your age.

00:15:15.000 They put you always with people that are your age.

00:15:18.000 They call it categories.

00:15:22.000 11 to 12, just like that.

00:15:29.000 When you get to the highest level, you're gonna find people with different ages.

00:15:48.000 ...de diferentes ciudades.

00:15:50.000 And from different cities in Cuba.

00:15:53.000 In Cuba or all over?

00:15:54.000 No, no, no.

00:15:55.000 In Cuba.

00:15:56.000 Okay.

00:15:58.000 Listen.

00:15:59.000 When you get to the room...

00:16:04.000 ...puedes encontrarte...

00:16:06.000 ...personas...

00:16:07.000 ...de otra ciudad.

00:16:09.000 O sea, digamos, Camagüey, Havana, Matanzas...

00:16:15.000 You could find people from those cities that you're going to fight against in your own room.

00:16:21.000 But, but listen, but, they are of other pesos.

00:16:28.000 So, I am 184, I say 155.

00:16:32.000 You know?

00:16:34.000 Not all of the same weight.

00:16:36.000 Well, they put them there and they say, "Okay, they give you the key and they say, "You're going to sleep in this room." You understand?

00:16:44.000 They put you in that room, and they'll see, let's say, a room of five people. - In each room there will be five people. - You are from Pinatrio.

00:16:55.000 You're from Boston.

00:16:57.000 Boston, to Boston.

00:16:59.000 I'm from Miami.

00:17:01.000 He's from New Jersey.

00:17:05.000 In another room...

00:17:07.000 In the other room.

00:17:09.000 It's a fight guy too.

00:17:11.000 But one guy is my division.

00:17:15.000 But it's the same for you start.

00:17:19.000 You understand now?

00:17:20.000 For the same city.

00:17:21.000 Right.

00:17:22.000 And now you're frank for him.

00:17:24.000 I am not careful.

00:17:26.000 Because when I stay in the room, you see everything.

00:17:31.000 Hey, you can tell him.

00:17:33.000 Hey, because maybe you're the friend.

00:17:38.000 You're the best in your division.

00:17:42.000 And your friend is the second best.

00:17:45.000 And he's his weight.

00:17:46.000 Yeah, so you guys get to talk.

00:17:51.000 So now you always have spies watching you.

00:17:54.000 For 15 years.

00:17:56.000 When did you leave?

00:17:59.000 When did you leave?

00:18:00.000 2007.

00:18:02.000 I went in 1995 and I left in 2007.

00:18:10.000 How did you leave?

00:18:12.000 How did you leave?

00:18:14.000 I go to the Grand Prix tournament, Grand Prix in Germany, in Leipzig City.

00:18:25.000 Leipzig City, Germany?

00:18:27.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:18:30.000 And for four months before I think about this decision.

00:18:41.000 I say, when I stay in Germany, I know to go back to Cuba. 0.87

00:18:45.000 I want to make it my dream, a new life.

00:18:51.000 What did you think you were going to do, though?

00:18:52.000 Did you think you were going to fight MMA back then?

00:18:55.000 Because there wasn't...

00:18:56.000 I want to try it.

00:18:57.000 I say, I want to do this.

00:19:00.000 I want to do this.

00:19:01.000 But you never know.

00:19:04.000 You never know what the life gives you, you know?

00:19:08.000 Right.

00:19:09.000 But that's what I want.

00:19:11.000 I say, the French, I make a wrestling because in Germany I have a Bundesliga.

00:19:17.000 Wrestling Bundesliga, you know?

00:19:20.000 What is that?

00:19:21.000 In Germany there's a Bundesliga for wrestling.

00:19:25.000 He knows Germany.

00:19:32.000 All the clubs will want to take him as soon as he gets to Germany.

00:19:39.000 So they'll offer sanctuary.

00:19:41.000 right the office sanctuary they're gonna pay him with his arms open he was broke right his Even though he wrestled, he wanted the MMA. He was telling me last night that he would watch those videos.

00:20:05.000 People would smuggle UFC fights into Cuba.

00:20:09.000 And it wasn't known it wasn't going to happen for him in Cuba.

00:20:14.000 It was never going to happen for him.

00:20:15.000 So he wanted to get into MMA. So when he went to Germany, he stayed.

00:20:20.000 And there was an MMA fight, and they wouldn't let him fight amateur.

00:20:26.000 Because he was in the Olympics.

00:20:28.000 So they threw him right into the wolves.

00:20:30.000 Like his first fight, he didn't even train.

00:20:34.000 It's very funny because you can see the first fight when I have it.

00:20:40.000 Man, do you see what I do?

00:20:44.000 When I find a guy, that's what happens.

00:20:48.000 Is it online?

00:20:49.000 Can we find the video?

00:20:50.000 Yeah, you can.

00:20:51.000 See if you can find the video.

00:20:52.000 And it's in Germany?

00:20:54.000 In Germany! 0.53

00:20:55.000 How long did you live in Germany for?

00:20:57.000 Six years.

00:20:58.000 Six years.

00:20:58.000 Wow.

00:21:01.000 I make an uppercut like this.

00:21:05.000 Like this.

00:21:07.000 He didn't know what he was doing.

00:21:11.000 Here it is.

00:21:12.000 Is this it?

00:21:14.000 No, not this.

00:21:15.000 That is like a tournament.

00:21:17.000 There's no idea.

00:21:17.000 That seems like jiu-jitsu.

00:21:19.000 That isn't one tournament.

00:21:21.000 Oh.

00:21:21.000 That is one tournament.

00:21:23.000 Is that MMA or jiu-jitsu?

00:21:25.000 No, MMA. That's MMA? Oh, it's MMA like on a big basketball court.

00:21:29.000 Yeah.

00:21:29.000 That's what I think all MMA should be on.

00:21:31.000 Alright, find that.

00:21:34.000 So when you had your first fight, you had no training?

00:21:37.000 Just your wrestling?

00:21:38.000 Wrestling.

00:21:39.000 But you knew how to box a little from being a kid.

00:21:41.000 Yeah, you know?

00:21:42.000 Right.

00:21:42.000 Every time in Cuba, because in Cuba's normals, you have gloves, the people say, okay, boxing!

00:21:48.000 Right, right, right.

00:21:49.000 A little bit in the street, you know? 1.00

00:21:51.000 Right, just fucking around. 0.99

00:21:52.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:21:54.000 When you were in Cuba, you were thinking about the future.

00:22:08.000 You had this huge wrestling career.

00:22:10.000 You medaled in all these international competitions.

00:22:14.000 You were a tremendous fighter.

00:22:21.000 Yes, I think MMA.

00:22:22.000 No MMA.

00:22:23.000 UFC.

00:22:25.000 Here it is.

00:22:25.000 Is this it right here?

00:22:26.000 Yeah, look at it.

00:22:27.000 Wow, this is crazy.

00:22:29.000 Look at he throwing kicks, man.

00:22:32.000 And this is no training.

00:22:34.000 No, no, no, no.

00:22:35.000 Look at this.

00:22:36.000 Look at that.

00:22:36.000 Wild.

00:22:38.000 You see?

00:22:39.000 Oh, man.

00:22:40.000 Those are wild uppercuts.

00:22:42.000 But still.

00:22:44.000 Throwing shots to the body.

00:22:45.000 Oh, they give a standing eight count?

00:22:47.000 What are they doing here?

00:22:48.000 Is that what that is?

00:22:50.000 This guy's got headgear on.

00:22:52.000 Interesting.

00:22:54.000 And what year was this?

00:22:57.000 2000. Is that it?

00:23:00.000 That's it?

00:23:00.000 You beat him?

00:23:02.000 Yeah, he said, I don't want him more.

00:23:04.000 No, we're good.

00:23:06.000 Oh, they're going to let him back in there?

00:23:07.000 It's very funny because the coaches, he don't know nothing about boxing, nothing.

00:23:15.000 The coaches...

00:23:17.000 Son comicos.

00:23:18.000 Son unos comicos.

00:23:19.000 Oh, let's get comedians?

00:23:20.000 Comedians?

00:23:21.000 The coaches are comedians.

00:23:23.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:23:24.000 At the MMA fight.

00:23:26.000 Yeah.

00:23:27.000 That's terrible.

00:23:29.000 So that was it.

00:23:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:23:30.000 You punch him in the head a few times and they go, that's good. 0.99

00:23:32.000 We're good. 0.99

00:23:33.000 We're good.

00:23:34.000 He's very fine for me.

00:23:36.000 Does he keep going?

00:23:36.000 Yeah.

00:23:37.000 Oh, it goes again?

00:23:38.000 Yeah.

00:23:39.000 Okay, so he's trying here.

00:23:45.000 Boom.

00:23:45.000 Jesus Christ.

00:23:51.000 If you understand Spanish, the Cuban language, if you can hear the people, you're going to laugh. 1.00

00:23:58.000 Because there's Cubans there. 0.98

00:23:59.000 Is there a Cuban population in Germany?

00:24:01.000 Wow!

00:24:03.000 But the people didn't know anything, and the people were pure cubanos saying: "Despíngalo, ay, dale!" But nothing technical.

00:24:12.000 Nothing technical.

00:24:13.000 Right, okay, so is there a big...

00:24:15.000 Yeah, there's a big...

00:24:19.000 You know where else there's a lot of Cubans at, Joe? 0.99

00:24:21.000 Italy.

00:24:22.000 Yeah?

00:24:23.000 They all went to...

00:24:24.000 I met this Cuban guy and he goes, I'm never coming back to the States. 1.00

00:24:27.000 Italy's a lot better than this shithole. 0.97

00:24:29.000 They had good food, I was for sure. 0.94

00:24:30.000 You live in Italy?

00:24:31.000 He works at a restaurant, he was a waiter, they kind of understood the language.

00:24:35.000 He goes, a lot better than living here.

00:24:36.000 I go, really?

00:24:37.000 Really?

00:24:38.000 He went back and he couldn't get a job here.

00:24:42.000 What's going on with you and a passport?

00:24:43.000 Are you getting a passport?

00:24:44.000 I'm honest.

00:24:45.000 You're on it?

00:24:46.000 I'm on it, yeah.

00:24:47.000 You gotta go to Italy.

00:24:48.000 The guy did the paperwork and I gotta pay the 10G fine.

00:24:52.000 Yeah, that's it?

00:24:53.000 The 10G fine and that takes care of everything.

00:24:55.000 That was the root of all evil.

00:24:57.000 And it's always such a sad evil.

00:25:00.000 They didn't care about the conviction.

00:25:02.000 They just want the money.

00:25:02.000 They didn't care about the anger management classes.

00:25:05.000 Just give me the 10 G's and we'll rip up the warrant Fucking America fucking America so you you get to Germany in 2007 And did you find an MMA gym to start training once you had your first fight? 0.98

00:25:18.000 I was in a gym gym but there was no you know... 0.99

00:25:23.000 He went to a gym, but there was nothing.

00:25:25.000 There was no... 1.00

00:25:26.000 He would hit the sticks on the street and shit like that. 0.99

00:25:35.000 There was no MMA coaches at that time. 0.98

00:25:37.000 Not when he was there.

00:25:38.000 No, no, no, no.

00:25:41.000 Nothing.

00:25:43.000 He had a lot of popularity in Nuremberg.

00:26:05.000 So the word started getting out.

00:26:08.000 But it was more because of his wrestling.

00:26:11.000 Right.

00:26:11.000 And this club he was in was in the second division.

00:26:17.000 You know? 1.00

00:26:18.000 So he started training the fucking fighters. 1.00

00:26:27.000 And the club won. 1.00

00:26:29.000 And they got up to division one.

00:26:31.000 Once he started training.

00:26:32.000 Oh, so he started training wrestling.

00:26:33.000 Wrestling, yeah. 0.99

00:26:35.000 When they called him for his MMA fights, he said fuck it, I'll go down there. 0.98

00:26:46.000 So now he started getting a little bit more popularity in the city. 0.99

00:26:51.000 There was a tournament.

00:26:54.000 A little bit bigger, a bigger statue.

00:26:58.000 MMA. So the headliner got sick.

00:27:12.000 And they call him up.

00:27:14.000 They ask him if he want to fight with this guy, Sasha, from Australia.

00:27:26.000 Austria. Austria. Sasha Van Poet.

00:27:29.000 He was the champion of the world.

00:27:37.000 He had fought against Gustafson at this time.

00:27:50.000 He didn't know nothing about no Alex.

00:27:52.000 He'll fight the guy.

00:27:54.000 And he went and fought him and bought him.

00:27:58.000 And beat him.

00:28:01.000 It was his third fight.

00:28:06.000 These two fights that you guys see are not in his record.

00:28:10.000 The first fight on his record is Sasha, the guy.

00:28:20.000 He was eight and one or seven and one.

00:28:27.000 So he told him, you're going to fight with him.

00:28:28.000 He goes, okay, I'll fight with him.

00:28:34.000 With who then?

00:28:35.000 With Ginton?

00:28:35.000 He trained with a guy that was like a taekwondo dude that had done stuff, but not really.

00:28:50.000 Right, right.

00:28:51.000 Sikki. 0.95

00:28:54.000 He's a Serbian.

00:29:01.000 After he beat Sasha the guy started helping him a little bit.

00:29:08.000 And he kept training on the streets and you know, running and resting.

00:29:16.000 Oh, in the woods he was.

00:29:20.000 He would train in the woods where you were hunting. 0.99

00:29:23.000 He would train in the woods hitting trees and shit like that. 0.92

00:29:28.000 So how did you make it to America? 0.96

00:29:31.000 Because I continued the fight.

00:29:34.000 I win, I win, I win.

00:29:37.000 I contract with Stryfos.

00:29:41.000 From Germany, so you're living in Germany.

00:29:42.000 Yeah, I live in Germany.

00:29:45.000 It was too hard for him to find fights.

00:29:50.000 When he fought, that dude won.

00:29:56.000 He should have lost that fight, but since he won, now it was tough to get competition.

00:30:00.000 People thought he should have lost.

00:30:02.000 Right.

00:30:03.000 Yeah, after he realized what he had done, that he had fought Sasha, he realized Sasha had fought against some good competitors.

00:30:23.000 Right, right.

00:30:23.000 I'm not sure if Sacha fought with Gustafson or they had a player in common.

00:30:31.000 He fought either Alex or one of Alex's friends.

00:30:34.000 He didn't know for sure.

00:30:35.000 I don't know.

00:30:36.000 And I don't know if Alexander Gustafson lost with what he won.

00:30:40.000 I mean...

00:30:42.000 Right.

00:30:43.000 He doesn't know if Alex lost to the guy or something.

00:30:45.000 Something happened.

00:30:46.000 Almost.

00:30:50.000 And then he almost fought Alexander Gustafson.

00:30:54.000 Because he was fighting at 205. Who is the guy from French?

00:31:04.000 The black guy? 0.88

00:31:06.000 No. 0.96

00:31:07.000 The other guy.

00:31:08.000 The big guy.

00:31:09.000 A French guy.

00:31:13.000 Come on.

00:31:14.000 Mia knocked him out.

00:31:16.000 UFC guy.

00:31:17.000 He fought in the UFC. Who knocked him out?

00:31:19.000 Mir knocked him out, I think.

00:31:21.000 Frank Mir?

00:31:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:22.000 No, no, no.

00:31:23.000 He's 205. No, no, he's 205. Chuck Kongo!

00:31:26.000 No, no, no.

00:31:27.000 Another guy.

00:31:27.000 Oh, another guy.

00:31:28.000 No, Chuck Kongo is heavyweight.

00:31:29.000 Yeah.

00:31:31.000 205. He's like me, like me.

00:31:34.000 Mm-hmm.

00:31:35.000 Mm-hmm.

00:31:36.000 Huh.

00:31:37.000 From France.

00:31:38.000 See, from France.

00:31:41.000 Almost fight with his two.

00:31:43.000 Almost.

00:31:44.000 Okay, trying to figure out who that would be.

00:31:47.000 In this time, 2009, he's the number two in Europe, and the number one is Alexander.

00:31:54.000 Yeah, he didn't have no, he had nobody even, they were just giving him these fights.

00:32:02.000 So you signed with Strikeforce, and then how do you get to the United States?

00:32:06.000 United States.

00:32:07.000 Well, I had some managers.

00:32:11.000 I didn't have the managers I have now.

00:32:12.000 I was with another company.

00:32:14.000 And then they told me, Yoel, Strikeforce won to you, but you need to fight Rafael Fejao.

00:32:21.000 If you win, you go to the belt and fight Henderson.

00:32:29.000 Because Henderson beat Raphael Feijal.

00:32:32.000 I said, okay, good.

00:32:34.000 I said, thank God I don't beat Raphael Feijal.

00:32:37.000 I don't have an experience with these people.

00:32:43.000 High level.

00:32:44.000 I don't have an experience.

00:32:46.000 Feijal was very good at the time too.

00:32:48.000 Yeah Yeah He knocked out King Mo Yeah Maybe he knocked out King Mo after I think Yeah But he had that same level Like he was A lot of people forgot about Faye Zhao Faye Zhao at one point in time Was one of the best in the world Yeah Yeah Yeah Yo pelea con Faye Zhao He had lost the belt with Henderson for two months.

00:33:14.000 Yes.

00:33:14.000 Okay, I don't remember all that stuff.

00:33:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:18.000 He beat Kimo, Kimo beat Musazi. 0.98

00:33:22.000 Feijal beat Kimo, and Henderson beat Feijal.

00:33:28.000 Yeah.

00:33:29.000 And so, that was your first fight in Strikeforce?

00:33:31.000 Yeah.

00:33:31.000 You lost that fight?

00:33:32.000 Yeah.

00:33:33.000 And that was your first loss as a fighter?

00:33:35.000 What was that like No, no man normal normal because because I say When you finish the fight But coming on the board He said he went up to the hotel and he went for a walk.

00:33:55.000 His managers were looking at him.

00:34:03.000 He was smiling.

00:34:04.000 This man's just like, why are you smiling?

00:34:06.000 And I say, because I see the I see the on a leo on a un grand campeon He was just close from fighting the beating a grand champion Sin entrenar Without training, right?

00:34:18.000 You know?

00:34:18.000 Now he saw a positive.

00:34:23.000 He said, when he trains for real, he'll be the fucking champion. 0.99

00:34:30.000 That's how a champion thinks. 1.00

00:34:31.000 Yeah.

00:34:33.000 So this was, what was that, 2008, 2009, somewhere around then?

00:34:38.000 What year was that?

00:34:41.000 I think it was...

00:34:42.000 9 or 10. 9 or 10. So where were you training at the time?

00:34:53.000 When you came to America.

00:34:55.000 Where did you come to America?

00:34:57.000 America Top Team.

00:35:00.000 That's the way to go.

00:35:01.000 Yeah.

00:35:04.000 He moved to Miami.

00:35:06.000 Easy fit.

00:35:07.000 A lot of Cubans.

00:35:11.000 That must be nice, right?

00:35:14.000 Yes.

00:35:16.000 I love it.

00:35:17.000 I love it because I can...

00:35:19.000 He sees a lot of kids from his childhood.

00:35:27.000 Many people.

00:35:28.000 Many.

00:35:30.000 A lot of people from Cuba lived in Miami.

00:35:34.000 From all over.

00:35:35.000 And many people from different stages, older than me, of my age, and younger than me, are in Miami.

00:35:43.000 If you're from Cuba, they accept you here immediately.

00:36:01.000 Yes.

00:36:01.000 See, it's easier, right?

00:36:03.000 It's very easy.

00:36:04.000 Yeah, whereas like Mexico, it's very hard.

00:36:06.000 It's very hard.

00:36:07.000 Yeah, if someone wants to be a citizen from Mexico.

00:36:09.000 That's tougher for the Mexicans. 0.76

00:36:16.000 It's almost like they're encouraging Cubans to leave. 0.98

00:36:18.000 Well, yeah, and then remember, didn't Obama, before he left, he put the no tap rule. 0.92

00:36:24.000 Remember, as a punishment for fucking Clinton not winning, he fucking Obama, that's why Cubans got pissed off at Obama, because he signed the rule again that you don't have to touch the beach. 0.99

00:36:35.000 Remember that shit they had? 1.00

00:36:37.000 What was the rule? 1.00

00:36:38.000 I don't know what the fucking thing was. 0.99

00:36:40.000 If you touch the beach, then you're in? 1.00

00:36:41.000 You're in.

00:36:42.000 Where Haitians don't have that. 1.00

00:36:44.000 Haitians, they fuckin' yank them. 1.00

00:36:46.000 But all the Cuban has to do is touch the beach, it's like fuckin' playing tag. 1.00

00:36:50.000 Here at home base. 0.97

00:36:52.000 A lot of people escaped from Cuba, man.

00:37:03.000 They died. 1.00

00:37:03.000 That's a hard fucking journey, man. 1.00

00:37:05.000 Ninety miles on a boat. 0.99

00:37:06.000 Ninety miles on a boat, and they do it.

00:37:08.000 I got it to a science.

00:37:09.000 If you speak to those people, they leave at a certain tide.

00:37:13.000 They bring enough saltine crackers. 0.99

00:37:15.000 I mean they got fucking things that you never even heard of. 0.99

00:37:18.000 Todos los exodos, sorry. 0.99

00:37:20.000 Todos los exodos de cada país, de cada población son duras.

00:37:27.000 Son duras, son lamentablemente catastróficos. 0.92

00:37:32.000 Tienen muchas tragedias, tienen muchas historias que son avergonzosas, son muy dolorosas. 0.99

00:37:38.000 Yeah, that the stories are horrible of them leaving, you know, it's just fucking night. 0.93

00:37:43.000 La historia de los judíos es dura. 0.96

00:37:46.000 Pero si tú miras la historia de los pueblos caucáusicos también.

00:37:52.000 Cuando tú miras la historia de los chinos también.

00:37:55.000 Cuando ves la historia del exodos de nosotros los cubanos.

00:38:00.000 Desde los 80, de los Peter Pan.

00:38:03.000 What's Peter Pan?

00:38:05.000 What's Peter Pan?

00:38:11.000 We're talking about the different exoduses that you talk about like the pain that all the races had the Chinese and all that but one of the big struggles is that Cuban one that they they leave and like he left the Sun in Cuba his parents are in Cuba But then again, that's the story of the immigrant. 0.61

00:38:31.000 Your grandfather left his brother in Cuba, in Sicily, to make it better, to send checks.

00:38:38.000 That's their plan.

00:38:39.000 You're going to go there, send us checks until his family lives well in Cuba because of his success.

00:38:50.000 So you can send money back to Cuba?

00:38:53.000 If you send $10, they give you $8.

00:39:01.000 If you send $100, they'll give them $80.

00:39:13.000 So they take a little piece.

00:39:14.000 He met Fidel, by the way.

00:39:16.000 Really?

00:39:16.000 You met Fidel?

00:39:17.000 Yes.

00:39:20.000 The way you're sitting next to me.

00:39:27.000 Was that weird?

00:39:32.000 No, you know, I've always had two people as a figure.

00:39:42.000 For example, one is Jesus, God, and the other is my father.

00:39:48.000 He's had two heroes in his life, God and his father.

00:39:53.000 When he sees a human being, he sees a human being.

00:40:01.000 He treats him like a human being.

00:40:07.000 God gives talent to people.

00:40:08.000 Like Matt Brown said, they're very talented.

00:40:13.000 He celebrates the talent of the human being, the human spirit.

00:40:18.000 But he sees everybody like a human being, you know.

00:40:22.000 So you just saw Fidel as a human being.

00:40:25.000 Fidel as a human being.

00:40:34.000 He was the president of this country, you know?

00:40:37.000 Now, being in America, you've been here for a few years now, are you completely settled in?

00:40:44.000 You love it here?

00:40:46.000 You're staying here?

00:40:46.000 This is your spot now.

00:40:48.000 Now that we're in the United States, you're going to stay here. 0.64

00:40:51.000 You love this.

00:40:53.000 This is all yours.

00:40:55.000 No, I'm not going to stay here.

00:40:57.000 No, not at least standing. 0.98

00:40:59.000 He's already fucking stayed. 0.98

00:41:02.000 He's already here. 0.99

00:41:04.000 He's here to stay.

00:41:05.000 I hear you, man.

00:41:06.000 I say thank you, God, for giving me the opportunity.

00:41:10.000 My life is here in the United States, you know.

00:41:12.000 What's the difference?

00:41:13.000 How does it feel different here?

00:41:17.000 Just freedom?

00:41:24.000 Yeah.

00:41:26.000 Do whatever you want?

00:41:27.000 Yeah.

00:41:29.000 You have a future.

00:41:32.000 Your family have a future.

00:41:39.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:41:43.000 When you have an exodus in your family, when you have an exodus in your country, it's very hard and it's very You have emotion every day when you see the exodus and your country and your people.

00:42:08.000 You have the possibilities of getting here.

00:42:15.000 You see this exodus and you see...

00:42:19.000 We didn't see it.

00:42:20.000 We don't know what Grandpa Rogan did. 1.00

00:42:22.000 I don't know what fucking Grandpa Rogan did. 0.99

00:42:24.000 I don't know why Grandpa Rogan left. 0.99

00:42:26.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:42:27.000 We all went through this at one point.

00:42:29.000 Someone went through this.

00:42:31.000 Many people, Joe, lose their life...

00:42:36.000 ...intentando esto.

00:42:38.000 Llegar a esto.

00:42:39.000 A lot of people lose their life...

00:42:41.000 ...trying.

00:42:42.000 Trying to get here.

00:42:43.000 I say...

00:42:45.000 ...y porque yo lo haya logrado...

00:42:48.000 No olvido esto.

00:42:50.000 Because he completed that mission.

00:42:53.000 He'll never forget that, you know.

00:42:55.000 De que tuve la posibilidad de no pasar ese éxodo de travesía por el mar.

00:43:04.000 No tuve el éxodo de la travesía de pasar países fronteras y fronteras.

00:43:10.000 He was lucky that he didn't have to do that raft to go like the pitcher from the Yankees that had to go to the Dominican Republic and had to smuggle them out to some other, like Colombia, and then the Yankees had to sign them and that's the only way Steinbrenner showed up with an envelope and nobody knows nothing.

00:43:28.000 He's happy that he went to Germany and he had a plan, you know.

00:43:34.000 But you know what?

00:43:36.000 He says he sits with a lot of people listening to their stories.

00:43:46.000 Listen, that is four days before.

00:43:52.000 people.

00:43:54.000 He went to a Walmart by his house.

00:43:59.000 Maybe the guy is listening to this right now.

00:44:04.000 He went to buy food for his dogs and for his rabbits.

00:44:14.000 When he comes out, he sees something not normal.

00:44:22.000 A guy and a couple walked in to the Walmart.

00:44:27.000 They were arguing. 1.00

00:44:29.000 He's putting the shit in the trunk. 1.00

00:44:35.000 I hear that the accent is "cubano". 1.00

00:44:38.000 He hears the Cuban accent.

00:44:41.000 They had some problem.

00:44:43.000 So he stays so the problem doesn't escalate.

00:44:50.000 Okay?

00:44:51.000 Gracias a Dios no pasó nada.

00:44:53.000 The girl, she went off the car, closed the car, she went. 0.99

00:44:58.000 I sat in the car and she was in her car, which was at the side of mine, like this.

00:45:04.000 The car for the woman here, my car is here, and the car for the guy is here.

00:45:08.000 She went and she sat in front of the car.

00:45:12.000 She sat there.

00:45:13.000 So the chick de-escalated, the chick left, and the guy sat next to him, the car next to him.

00:45:19.000 I sat in my car.

00:45:21.000 He gets in his car, just closes the door. 1.00

00:45:24.000 He's all angry, the guy next to the fucking thing. 0.99

00:45:34.000 He blows his window. 1.00

00:45:36.000 He tells the guy to breathe and let it go.

00:45:45.000 No, no, no, no.

00:45:48.000 ¿Cómo fue que le dije?

00:45:49.000 No vale la pena. 0.99

00:45:50.000 It's not worth the fucking anguish. 0.98

00:45:53.000 he's coming to me he's coming to me he's coming to me and the guy got out of the car and started telling the story of what had happened resumidas cuentas He had been here for a year in the States. 0.98

00:46:13.000 He wanted to tell him what happened to him.

00:46:18.000 He came from Colombia and the guy had to keep him down to come to the United States.

00:46:26.000 He saw two weeks earlier he had seen one of his friends.

00:46:30.000 that he had been in the journey with him from Cuba to Colombia and the whole thing.

00:46:37.000 So he was telling me that that same guy got separated from his wife.

00:46:46.000 You know why?

00:46:48.000 Why?

00:46:53.000 Because he couldn't look at his wife's face.

00:47:01.000 She slept with 12 men in Colombia. 0.71

00:47:11.000 And he couldn't do anything.

00:47:14.000 That was part of the journey to get to the United States.

00:47:18.000 Oh, she had to do that in order to get over. 1.00

00:47:20.000 Yeah.

00:47:23.000 This is exodo.

00:47:26.000 And that's one of like the minimal stories, you know?

00:47:38.000 Because, I don't know if you know, in Cuba they go out, let's say, we're family, you go today and the next week I go, like this.

00:47:52.000 In Cuba, one week you leave, like me or your brothers, you take off one week, and then my plan is to take off a week behind you.

00:47:59.000 But we don't have no communication after you leave.

00:48:03.000 Because you have to go through the jungle.

00:48:08.000 Colombia...

00:48:08.000 Ecuador...

00:48:12.000 Ecuador...

00:48:13.000 Y se han encontrado...

00:48:16.000 Hermanos...

00:48:20.000 When they crossed the border in the desert, it's horrible.

00:48:25.000 The belongings and the corpse of their family had been out of the past.

00:48:33.000 That the brothers have found on the journey through the jungles of Colombia, they found their brothers Caucasus, like eaten by a lion or whatever.

00:48:44.000 The corpses.

00:48:45.000 Yeah, the corpses.

00:48:46.000 And you have to look, cry, and keep going to get to the United States. 0.88

00:48:57.000 Jesus Christ.

00:48:59.000 It's hard, Exodus.

00:49:01.000 That's why I always say, God, thank you for you giving me the opportunity.

00:49:07.000 It's very easy.

00:49:08.000 It's not easy, but it's very easy when you look around you, the life of others.

00:49:15.000 I don't think anybody who was born here will ever appreciate it like someone who comes here from somewhere else. 1.00

00:49:22.000 Everybody in this fucking room started coming over on a journey. 0.99

00:49:26.000 Somebody did. 1.00

00:49:27.000 Some in your background.

00:49:28.000 Somebody did what they did.

00:49:30.000 How many generations are you here, man?

00:49:32.000 My great-grandfather from one side came from Ireland.

00:49:35.000 I've seen like the paperwork and I think the other from Scotland and something like that. 0.99

00:49:38.000 I mean, this is what drives me the most crazy about all the anti-immigration shit in America today. 0.98

00:49:46.000 This is whole country. 1.00

00:49:48.000 It's made out of immigrants.

00:49:49.000 The whole country.

00:49:53.000 Even Native Americans.

00:49:57.000 Even Native Americans.

00:49:59.000 They walked over here thousands of years ago.

00:50:01.000 Everyone came from somewhere.

00:50:05.000 Everyone.

00:50:08.000 Have you done the 23andMe or anything?

00:50:10.000 No, I need to do that. 0.99

00:50:11.000 You know, it's so stupid how... 0.99

00:50:13.000 A lot of people knock it, but when I read mine, I looked into it for a few days. 0.99

00:50:19.000 And you learn about history.

00:50:21.000 Yeah.

00:50:21.000 You know, I have a little Chinese.

00:50:23.000 Really?

00:50:24.000 You had Chinese in you? 0.92

00:50:25.000 Yeah, because...

00:50:27.000 Did you have any idea you had Chinese in you?

00:50:34.000 No, Chinese, because the Chinese made the first real thing. 0.99

00:50:37.000 They found chickens in San Francisco that had that DNA from that Chinese. 1.00

00:50:43.000 It's very...

00:50:44.000 The worst thing you could do if you smoked pot is spit in a bottle and get the report back. 1.00

00:50:49.000 That is a fucking nightmare once you realize who you are. 1.00

00:50:57.000 Who are you? 1.00

00:50:58.000 It really messes with you for a couple of days.

00:51:01.000 I was Russian Jew.

00:51:02.000 I was Western African.

00:51:03.000 Western African? 0.84

00:51:04.000 Western African, which I always knew I'm Cuban.

00:51:07.000 When you're Cuban, you're African. 1.00

00:51:09.000 When you see a Cuban, it's a black dude that speaks Spanish. 0.82

00:51:15.000 They're just black dudes that speak Spanish. 0.59

00:51:16.000 They're Africans. 1.00

00:51:18.000 So I knew that there was African blood.

00:51:20.000 And the top, it's not Spain.

00:51:23.000 They call it something else.

00:51:25.000 It's Spain and something else up there.

00:51:28.000 So they went all the way around.

00:51:30.000 And the last little bit is Russian Jew.

00:51:33.000 Like 2%.

00:51:34.000 God knows where you got that from.

00:51:36.000 But here's the problem.

00:51:38.000 If you're Native American, it can't give you an answer. 1.00

00:51:40.000 Iberian.

00:51:41.000 Iberian.

00:51:42.000 That's where we're really from.

00:51:43.000 Wow.

00:51:45.000 Powerful, Jamie.

00:51:46.000 But if you're American Indian with that thing, they can't. 1.00

00:51:49.000 Like my wife's American Indian. 0.99

00:51:50.000 I see her grandmother.

00:51:51.000 I saw her grandfather, bro.

00:51:53.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:51:53.000 They're fucking Indians. 1.00

00:51:54.000 Okay? 1.00

00:51:55.000 The mother got the awful lip. 1.00

00:51:56.000 That's where Terry gets the Indian fucking lip from. 1.00

00:51:59.000 Doesn't read it. 0.99

00:52:00.000 It doesn't read if you're Indian unless you're a couple of generations back.

00:52:05.000 It doesn't read the Native American?

00:52:09.000 No, it doesn't read it unless you're three or four generations.

00:52:12.000 Something kinky.

00:52:12.000 You've got to ask my wife.

00:52:14.000 That's why she don't buy into it. 0.98

00:52:16.000 Because it didn't tell her she was American Indian, but the sister did. 0.94

00:52:20.000 So it's kind of fucking weird how the sister had a little bit more. 0.83

00:52:23.000 My wife still had it, but not as much. 0.96

00:52:25.000 More of her Irish came up.

00:52:26.000 That's interesting. 1.00

00:52:29.000 Last night we were playing to get this fucking savage fired up. 0.99

00:52:33.000 You gotta play the old school Cuban music. 0.99

00:52:37.000 I told him this is what he needs to play before he fights.

00:52:39.000 You should have seen him. 0.99

00:52:40.000 You should have fucking seen him, man. 0.99

00:52:42.000 And he was explaining to Lee and his manager that if you know anything about Cuba, it was a slave market. 1.00

00:52:50.000 It was a fucking slave market. 1.00

00:52:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:53.000 You know, that's where they bought them. 1.00

00:52:54.000 That's where the white people went and saw a sex show while they were there and took a couple of slaves back to them to Alabama or wherever the fuck they were from. 1.00

00:53:02.000 That's the reality of it. 1.00

00:53:03.000 Wow.

00:53:05.000 So...

00:53:05.000 Crazy.

00:53:09.000 It's beautiful to be here now though, huh?

00:53:12.000 You're happy here?

00:53:13.000 Yes, of course.

00:53:16.000 That's why I say...

00:53:18.000 - - And not just that to be here, but to also be doing what he wants to do.

00:53:34.000 You know, for people who don't know, and I know Joe, there's a documentary called Something Brothers.

00:53:40.000 It's about the two Cubans, the Levon Fernandez brothers.

00:53:44.000 Levon and Duque.

00:53:46.000 Come on, guy.

00:53:47.000 One guy comes first and wins the World Series.

00:53:50.000 And the other brother got blackballed in Cuba.

00:53:53.000 They threw eggs at his house.

00:53:54.000 Fidel wouldn't let him play baseball no more.

00:53:56.000 What's the name of the documentary?

00:53:58.000 Brothers in Arms or something.

00:54:00.000 Jesus Christ, Joe Rogan.

00:54:02.000 And then they threw eggs at him.

00:54:04.000 They wouldn't even let him.

00:54:05.000 He had to play on the field.

00:54:06.000 He had to play like how he boxed.

00:54:09.000 Orlando Duque and Ivan Hernandez. 1.00

00:54:11.000 And then that motherfucker came, left his wife and daughter. 1.00

00:54:16.000 Oh shit, Joe Rogan! 1.00

00:54:18.000 And then this motherfucker goes up to New York and tears him up in New York like fucking one World Series. 1.00

00:54:26.000 And then at the end, he fucking wins in San Diego, but he can't get his daughters and his wife up here. 1.00

00:54:33.000 So they got some reporter in Washington to call a fucking cardinal and fly to Cuba that night. 0.99

00:54:40.000 And they flew to Cuba that night, and Fidel was watching the fucking Yankee game, Jack. 0.99

00:54:45.000 And the Cardinal gave them a note, and there was a note from El Duque saying, please let my wife and daughter go. 1.00

00:54:52.000 Put them on a fucking plane, fucking ticket-tape parade. 1.00

00:54:55.000 The wife at the end goes, listen, I'm in New York on a fucking float. 1.00

00:55:00.000 They just won, and I see all these people throwing toilet paper. 0.99

00:55:03.000 I started grabbing it, because in Cuba, you had to fight for a fucking roll of toilet paper. 0.99

00:55:09.000 She goes, "Here they are throwing toilet paper at the parade." And her natural instinct was to grab the toilet paper. 0.99

00:55:15.000 Because the woman of Le'Vean Fernandez, when I was a Yankee, she said that they were in Nueva York and they were trying to get the toilet paper.

00:55:23.000 And I said, "Oye!" And then she started to "javam" because they said that in Cuba, there was no toilet paper. 0.59

00:55:29.000 You understand? 1.00

00:55:30.000 That's fucking crazy, Joe. 1.00

00:55:33.000 That is crazy. 1.00

00:55:34.000 But I feel like no one appreciates America more than someone who was born somewhere else, where they're suppressed, where it's hard, and then they come over here. 0.77

00:55:45.000 I think too many of us take this for granted. 0.97

00:55:48.000 Every fucking day I see it and it drives me fucking crazy, man. 0.99

00:55:53.000 I see it and it drives me crazy. 1.00

00:55:55.000 And we complain more, and we keep getting more immigrants, and these immigrants, well, they're taking our jobs. 1.00

00:56:01.000 No, they're fucking hustling. 1.00

00:56:02.000 Yeah, they're hustling. 1.00

00:56:03.000 They have no choice.

00:56:04.000 This is the whole thing the country's founded on.

00:56:06.000 They drive an Uber 16 hours a day.

00:56:08.000 You don't fathom.

00:56:09.000 Right.

00:56:10.000 I know kids there that go to college and can't imagine they've got to work five days a week.

00:56:14.000 Yep.

00:56:15.000 We work seven days a week. 1.00

00:56:16.000 It's in our fucking DNA. That's, you know... 1.00

00:56:19.000 And happy to be here. 0.99

00:56:20.000 And happy to fucking be here. 0.99

00:56:22.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:56:23.000 Now, when you were in Cuba, the work ethic, with the wrestling and being on the, I mean, that, the intense amount of work, that must translate very well into MMA training.

00:56:36.000 Do you think that MMA training is as hard as wrestling training?

00:56:40.000 Like when you were back in Cuba Discipline Discipline Discipline

00:56:57.000 You know...

00:57:17.000 For sure.

00:57:18.000 The process for the training in Kyiv, of course, helped me a lot in my career in MMA. Yeah, must have helped.

00:57:30.000 Absolutely.

00:57:31.000 Yeah Yeah You ask me about this more What's more difficult?

00:57:45.000 Yeah I don't know you because I Because...

00:57:55.000 You can...

00:57:59.000 If you see, the training is the same.

00:58:08.000 The training for the sport is the same.

00:58:11.000 Believe me.

00:58:12.000 Because you can...

00:58:15.000 You could do the training from MMA to wrestle.

00:58:23.000 And you could do the training from wrestling for MMA. The value is how you use your energy and the two different sets of activity, whatever.

00:58:50.000 So it's different energy for wrestling, how you impose your energy in wrestling and the energy that you have to have for MMA. Now, when you were in Cuba and you were training wrestling, how much time do they spend working on strength and conditioning and how much time on skill?

00:59:06.000 When I was in Cuba, how many hours I was lifting weights and doing exercises and how many hours I was fighting?

00:59:17.000 The training is dependent on where you are...

00:59:20.000 Where your goal is at.

00:59:23.000 That's where the training is at.

00:59:26.000 When you go to train, it's not how many hours is where you want your focus to go.

00:59:41.000 Because the system for the training is...

00:59:48.000 The system to train is based on where your goal is.

00:59:54.000 So that's where you start to work.

00:59:56.000 For example, when you train, it's done with a long-term system.

01:00:06.000 When you train in Cuba, it's with a long-range goal.

01:00:11.000 I don't know.

01:00:13.000 You have to have...

01:00:14.000 The main goal is the national championship championship.

01:00:31.000 So, your goal is the national championship.

01:00:36.000 And now you need to see how you're training for this competition.

01:00:44.000 How many?

01:00:55.000 It's a four-year?

01:00:58.000 It's a four-year program.

01:01:00.000 It's a four-year program.

01:01:03.000 To get to the lowest to the lowest to the highest level.

01:01:05.000 To get to the lowest to the highest level.

01:01:07.000 In the whole world.

01:01:09.000 In the whole world Why is it four years?

01:01:15.000 The Olympic Games.

01:01:16.000 You see?

01:01:17.000 Every four years.

01:01:20.000 Sometimes the people work about this, not about this.

01:01:26.000 This is the first year.

01:01:29.000 That's the first year.

01:01:30.000 That's the second year, that's the third year, that's the fourth year.

01:01:34.000 They don't win the first three.

01:01:41.000 What championship?

01:01:43.000 Or the championship.

01:01:45.000 Because training about it for this.

01:01:49.000 For the Olympic Games.

01:01:50.000 For the Olympic Games.

01:01:51.000 You understand?

01:01:52.000 Yeah.

01:01:52.000 And in Cuba, that's why he told, he stressed that it's through ages, through categories.

01:02:04.000 You can't prepare a child of 12 years for Olympic games because they don't have Olympic games.

01:02:10.000 You can't prepare a 12 year old for Olympic Games because there's no Olympic Games.

01:02:14.000 Right.

01:02:14.000 But you're going to prepare him for the national championship of his category.

01:02:24.000 You understand?

01:02:25.000 Yes.

01:02:30.000 You're going to use the same science kind of. 0.97

01:02:36.000 mentality methodology no mentality methodology no se desigues compadre oh ok what is that I don't fucking know. 0.92

01:02:47.000 He's a genius, this guy. 0.91

01:02:49.000 But it's the same way.

01:02:51.000 So you're saying not just mentality, but something else.

01:02:54.000 It's a methodology.

01:02:57.000 I don't know what that means.

01:02:59.000 Methodology.

01:03:00.000 Mythology.

01:03:01.000 No, no, no.

01:03:03.000 I don't know English.

01:03:08.000 Depending on the age and the goal.

01:03:18.000 When you were 18, how many hours a day At 18 you start lifting weights.

01:03:34.000 16 to 17. No, no young kids lift weights in Cuba.

01:03:40.000 That's smart.

01:03:41.000 And when they have you lifting weights, what kind of weight lifting?

01:03:44.000 Like Olympic style?

01:03:47.000 Powerlifting?

01:03:50.000 Dependiendo.

01:03:51.000 Haces de todas.

01:03:52.000 Haces todas y dependiendo la etapa.

01:03:54.000 Porque se diferencian etapas.

01:03:56.000 La etapa general, es la etapa cuando empiezas las tres, digamos las...

01:04:05.000 So that's when you start for six weeks.

01:04:08.000 What are you asking?

01:04:08.000 I said...

01:04:10.000 Etapa is general.

01:04:13.000 This is the general orientation.

01:04:15.000 With large weights.

01:04:20.000 - But a peso with a large amount of weights. - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, attention.

01:04:28.000 First they test you.

01:04:30.000 They test your strength.

01:04:33.000 My weight.

01:04:35.000 You can't lift what I can lift.

01:04:39.000 You understand?

01:04:40.000 We're the same age but different weights.

01:04:49.000 They give me a try out.

01:04:57.000 Bench presses.

01:04:59.000 Based on the weight that I lift my max, like anything else, that's where they start working with me.

01:05:10.000 Siempre hay una referencia.

01:05:12.000 Tienen como referencia, digamos, los niños de, digamos, un ejemplo, example.

01:05:20.000 Niños de 18 years, heavyweight, los heavyweights.

01:05:25.000 18 year old heavyweights.

01:05:26.000 Okay, digamos que levantan, un ejemplo. - I don't.

01:05:30.000 100 pounds on a bench press.

01:05:38.000 but these trainers that they have are fucking top notch you know they have a idea more or less of how many they lift the heavy weights understand they have a idea of how many when a complete weight is good in force and when it is bad in force so they know when you're up in weight when you're down in weight they know everything about you because they've been doing it So they base you off that weight. 0.88

01:06:08.000 You do that thing 100 pounds, now they base you off that weight if you're heavyweight. 0.92

01:06:12.000 Do you still follow that system now when you train for MMA? Like how do you decide you do?

01:06:18.000 Because you still obviously have a lot of muscle.

01:06:21.000 You're obviously still doing some strength and conditioning work.

01:06:24.000 And what is what you do?

01:06:26.000 What kind of movement?

01:06:27.000 - - - - - - - - Okay, I saw that in the Countdown fight, before the Rockhold fight.

01:06:53.000 You were training at a Taekwondo school.

01:06:55.000 So he was doing that in Cuba.

01:06:57.000 Yeah.

01:06:58.000 Ah, interesting.

01:06:59.000 So he knows the system.

01:07:01.000 He comes from that system.

01:07:05.000 Right, right, right.

01:07:07.000 When he started training with him, he changed everything.

01:07:15.000 You have this age.

01:07:18.000 You have this age.

01:07:21.000 Let's work this way. - You know, the guy had already been known for working with older elite athletes, We've always joked around about Teofilo Stevenson.

01:07:50.000 Could have been one of the best professional boxers ever. 0.97

01:07:56.000 He was fucking 50. They don't have fucking birth certificates. 1.00

01:08:07.000 Right, right. 1.00

01:08:08.000 So nobody fucking knows! 0.99

01:08:10.000 That's so crazy. 1.00

01:08:10.000 They're the geniuses of taking a 40-year-old. 1.00

01:08:13.000 That's why he switched with this guy.

01:08:16.000 Well, Luis Ortiz, the guy who fought Deontay Wilder this past weekend, they're saying, like, no one knows how old he is.

01:08:21.000 40, 41. At least.

01:08:22.000 Yeah, at least.

01:08:23.000 So they have a system.

01:08:24.000 Ortiz de Meda.

01:08:26.000 Oh, you know him?

01:08:27.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:08:28.000 Oh, so 41, for sure.

01:08:29.000 Yeah.

01:08:29.000 Oh, okay.

01:08:30.000 You knew Ortiz in Cuba?

01:08:32.000 Yeah.

01:08:32.000 Oh, okay, that makes sense.

01:08:33.000 In the Olympic Center.

01:08:35.000 Yeah.

01:08:35.000 In the same Olympic Center.

01:08:37.000 Because everybody was wondering, like, you know, maybe he's older than he says.

01:08:41.000 Yeah.

01:08:45.000 Minimum 39. Minimum 39. But no way Teofilo tenía 37 al último, compadre.

01:08:53.000 I'm telling you, no say.

01:08:54.000 They don't say nothing.

01:08:55.000 But see, a thing like Teofilo Stevenson, for a lot of us that are boxing fans, we're always disappointed.

01:09:02.000 He never got to leave Cuba.

01:09:03.000 We wanted to see him fight Ali.

01:09:05.000 We wanted to see him fight Frazier.

01:09:07.000 We wanted to see him fight the best of the best in the professional league.

01:09:10.000 He's a...

01:09:11.000 You know...

01:09:15.000 Ali is another level. 0.98

01:09:16.000 He was another level?

01:09:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:18.000 He was on another level.

01:09:19.000 Yeah, Ali was on another level, yeah.

01:09:22.000 He certainly was at one point in time, you know?

01:09:25.000 He doesn't think Teofilo would have beat Ali.

01:09:31.000 Been interesting to watch.

01:09:32.000 Yeah.

01:09:37.000 Teófilo, everybody knows Teófilo.

01:09:40.000 His father was a boxer with Teófilo.

01:09:48.000 Teófilo era un poco más, un poco no, era un poco, bastante lento para él.

01:09:54.000 He was fast.

01:09:58.000 Ali was way faster than he was.

01:10:01.000 Very fast, very fast.

01:10:02.000 I don't think Teofilo could...

01:10:07.000 I don't think.

01:10:08.000 Now, Teofilo had the very heavy hands. 1.00

01:10:13.000 He did send a Teofilo with heavy fucking hands. 1.00

01:10:17.000 If he hit him... 1.00

01:10:18.000 Big trouble, you know?

01:10:21.000 Yeah, but...

01:10:24.000 He moved like a butterfly.

01:10:27.000 Moved like a butterfly.

01:10:28.000 He certainly did.

01:10:30.000 Now you, at 41, you look better than ever.

01:10:37.000 Thank you, God.

01:10:37.000 It's crazy, man.

01:10:38.000 Thank you.

01:10:39.000 I mean, it must be a combination of everything.

01:10:41.000 It must be a combination of eating right, rest, working out hard, genetics.

01:10:46.000 I mean, you got a great role.

01:10:48.000 I mean, at 41, a lot of guys are on the downslide.

01:10:52.000 But if you're not.

01:10:53.000 Sobre todas las cosas.

01:11:03.000 Regardless of what's going on.

01:11:05.000 No puedo dejar de decirlo ni de mencionarlo.

01:11:11.000 Tiene que estar la mano de Dios en esto.

01:11:13.000 He can't say without...

01:11:15.000 He can't do this podcast without telling him that the reason why he looks so good and he's healthy is the hand that God got him That's because Because You're gonna be my summer Yo, I'm being my sombrough the come look that he's even in shock that how he looks and How he feels.

01:11:39.000 Not only physically.

01:11:41.000 When the coach, this coach, when he does his tests, the coach tests him on certain levels, he stays freaked out.

01:11:53.000 Like he can't believe he's still What are you saying? 0.97

01:12:06.000 I said that on the countdown, I saw the Taekwondo guy throwing little fucking sticks at him, you know, the things. 0.99

01:12:12.000 The foam sticks. 0.94

01:12:13.000 The foam sticks, and I saw him picking up the ties, but I never really saw him sparring or wrestling.

01:12:19.000 But, because...

01:12:21.000 Because he can't be talking too much.

01:12:26.000 Because I make the wrestling in Cuba.

01:12:30.000 I make wrestling in Cuba.

01:12:36.000 Okay, so he wrestles in Cuba.

01:12:38.000 You know, the national team.

01:12:40.000 with the national team.

01:12:41.000 Listen, por eso te digo, por eso que tú no me pudiste ver a mí haciendo la lucha.

01:12:46.000 That's why I couldn't, he didn't want me to see him, you, wrestling.

01:12:51.000 You know, estuve en Cuba y hice lucha con el subcampeón olímpico de ahora, So he went back to Cuba to train with the guy that's the world champion now from Cuba.

01:13:09.000 You went back to Cuba?

01:13:12.000 Yeah, he goes to Cuba to train.

01:13:15.000 You go back now?

01:13:16.000 You can go back and forth?

01:13:18.000 Yeah.

01:13:19.000 Well, I didn't know that.

01:13:20.000 Yeah, I can.

01:13:22.000 Thank God I can.

01:13:23.000 Wow, is this a new thing?

01:13:25.000 Is this recent?

01:13:25.000 You can go back there?

01:13:27.000 No, no, no.

01:13:32.000 What happened?

01:13:33.000 After the fight with Whitaker, Cuba gave me the passport.

01:13:39.000 Cuba gave me the passport.

01:13:40.000 Wow!

01:13:41.000 You know, I training in Cuba.

01:13:44.000 I go training in Miami.

01:13:47.000 Sorry?

01:13:47.000 And training in Cuba too with my father.

01:13:49.000 Oh, wow.

01:13:51.000 That must be nice.

01:13:52.000 So you can see your son too?

01:13:53.000 Yeah.

01:13:54.000 Can you bring him back to America?

01:13:56.000 That's different.

01:13:58.000 That's different because he has his mom in Cuba, you know.

01:14:01.000 His mom stays in Cuba.

01:14:03.000 He's in school.

01:14:06.000 But I want to do, when he stays in spring break, he can come with me.

01:14:14.000 Stay for a few months?

01:14:15.000 Yeah.

01:14:16.000 That would be nice.

01:14:17.000 So that must benefit you tremendously to go and train with the Cuban team.

01:14:22.000 Yeah, I trained with the silver medal in the last Olympic game.

01:14:27.000 Who is the last Olympic game?

01:14:31.000 What was the last Olympic Games?

01:14:33.000 This last one that they wrestled?

01:14:34.000 Well, the last one was winter.

01:14:36.000 It just happened.

01:14:38.000 So it would have been two years ago?

01:14:39.000 Yeah.

01:14:40.000 Was it Rio?

01:14:42.000 Rio, right?

01:14:43.000 Rio.

01:14:43.000 Rio is the last Olympic Games, right?

01:14:45.000 Yeah.

01:14:46.000 And Rio.

01:14:47.000 This guy is a silver medal in Rio.

01:14:49.000 He's 97 kilos.

01:14:52.000 He's a big guy.

01:14:52.000 97 kilos.

01:14:53.000 Yeah, 97 kilos.

01:14:55.000 What is that, like 220?

01:14:56.000 Yeah, 220. I make a racing with him.

01:15:00.000 Hey, one-on-one.

01:15:01.000 Tough.

01:15:03.000 Yeah, one-on-one.

01:15:04.000 I don't lose.

01:15:06.000 I one-on-one.

01:15:06.000 Oh, so you're a one-on-one.

01:15:07.000 Yeah, one-on-one.

01:15:08.000 Wow.

01:15:09.000 And Greco Roma. 0.91

01:15:10.000 Greco Roma. 0.64

01:15:10.000 No freestyling. 0.64

01:15:12.000 Greco Roma. 0.64

01:15:13.000 Wow.

01:15:13.000 Then I say, hey, I have 40 years.

01:15:16.000 This guy has 26. He feels good.

01:15:22.000 So what is your secret to maintaining all this physical strength and endurance at this age, at 41?

01:15:31.000 Do you think it's just genetics, just luck, just God?

01:15:35.000 I think it's God...

01:15:37.000 Smart training too though No, también, no, no, no For sure too, for sure too I can't do what he did 20 years ago What people say about you is imagine if you were in the UFC at 25 or at 30 That's what everybody says.

01:16:01.000 Like imagine if Yoel Romero was in the UFC when he was 25. 0.98

01:16:05.000 Holy shit. 0.97

01:16:06.000 If you were in the UFC at the 30 years, imagine what happens to people. 1.00

01:16:10.000 Holy shit. 0.98

01:16:11.000 You know, I can't talk about myself. 1.00

01:16:15.000 He can't talk about himself, he says.

01:16:17.000 Right, of course.

01:16:19.000 We'll talk about it for you. 1.00

01:16:23.000 Yeah, you were a motherfucker. 1.00

01:16:39.000 Mucha gente, many people for the Olympic Center, in the Olympic Center. 1.00

01:16:43.000 That's the coach for wrestling. 0.84

01:16:45.000 I love this guy.

01:16:47.000 He pushed me.

01:16:49.000 What was his name?

01:16:52.000 Feliberto Delgado.

01:16:54.000 I love this guy because He took the best out of him.

01:17:12.000 He knew.

01:17:13.000 He knew taking out the best me out.

01:17:19.000 You understand?

01:17:20.000 Yes.

01:17:20.000 That's it.

01:17:21.000 Yeah.

01:17:23.000 When I training, when I computer, he see me like this.

01:17:28.000 Exactly like this.

01:17:31.000 You remember when you come here son?

01:17:35.000 You remember this day?

01:17:37.000 He said yes.

01:17:38.000 He said go.

01:17:40.000 Well fire you up.

01:17:42.000 Yeah.

01:17:43.000 Because that is very, many people you know this history in Cuba.

01:17:56.000 He was a little crazy. 0.85

01:18:01.000 When he was younger. 0.92

01:18:04.000 He was real crazy when he was younger. 0.54

01:18:08.000 And he made a decision. 0.87

01:18:16.000 And he took a path.

01:18:21.000 He doesn't want what happened to his friends.

01:18:25.000 He wants to be this.

01:18:26.000 His uncle Lazaro and his father Pablo told him you've seen what's going on around you.

01:18:46.000 Is this what you want?

01:18:49.000 Or do you want to be this?

01:18:53.000 You're in the middle but you're doing both things.

01:18:58.000 You have to make a choice.

01:19:03.000 This is going on, what's happening?

01:19:07.000 And you're seeing that they never end right.

01:19:11.000 If you chose this path, you're going to have a final ending, a great ending.

01:19:18.000 decide, but you can't do both.

01:19:22.000 All right, I took the decision and I went to La Habana.

01:19:30.000 I lived in Pinar del Rio and I went to the capital of the country.

01:19:32.000 So he was living in Pinar del Rio, but he fled to Havana.

01:19:35.000 But remember, the pyramids.

01:19:39.000 The pyramids?

01:19:41.000 You need to win the championship, national championship, to pass to the SPA. So you have to win the national championships to go to the higher level, the ESPA. The coaches are taking you right from the schools.

01:20:01.000 For your talent.

01:20:04.000 And they put you in the special school, the most lower level.

01:20:11.000 In the basement.

01:20:14.000 Alright.

01:20:16.000 You need to win You need to win the Florida Championships to get to the next level.

01:20:30.000 Because the EIDE is the main school of all the Floridas.

01:20:43.000 They do?

01:20:46.000 Yes!

01:20:47.000 So what does he say?

01:20:48.000 Aida.

01:20:49.000 Aida.

01:20:50.000 Listen.

01:20:53.000 The pyramid.

01:20:56.000 Yeah, the pyramid.

01:20:58.000 Florida, right?

01:21:00.000 Right.

01:21:01.000 Florida had a school.

01:21:05.000 One school Florida has.

01:21:07.000 That's the second level.

01:21:11.000 But California also has an ID. They have an ID too.

01:21:16.000 Do you understand?

01:21:17.000 It's in all over the country.

01:21:21.000 Yes, it has an ID. Florida has an ID. California has an ID. I'm not exactly sure what he said.

01:21:32.000 Me neither.

01:21:33.000 I don't understand that either.

01:21:34.000 It's a school.

01:21:37.000 How do you spell it?

01:21:38.000 How do you write it?

01:21:42.000 Okay, like this.

01:21:42.000 Significa, Escuela Superior de Deporte.

01:21:47.000 Superior School of Sports.

01:21:48.000 Of Sports, yes.

01:21:50.000 Is that what it is?

01:21:53.000 Yeah.

01:21:54.000 Academia.

01:21:56.000 So what is he saying?

01:21:58.000 Each state has a superior school.

01:22:00.000 I think that's what he's saying.

01:22:02.000 Yes.

01:22:05.000 Aca.

01:22:06.000 Okay.

01:22:09.000 In California, we have one ACA. The people want to, all the Californians want to stay ACA, but you need to beat it.

01:22:19.000 The California Championship.

01:22:22.000 You understand?

01:22:23.000 So you beat it, so you win, and now California, the ACA and California taking you because you are the best in California.

01:22:33.000 You understand now?

01:22:34.000 I see what you're saying.

01:22:36.000 That's in Florida.

01:22:37.000 In Florida, I haven't won ACA too.

01:22:39.000 Right.

01:22:42.000 Chicago or Washington.

01:22:46.000 And Washington has one ACA. But this ACA is the best level.

01:22:54.000 You understand?

01:22:55.000 This is an ESPA. When you beat everybody, now the junior national team is in Washington.

01:23:06.000 It's ACA too.

01:23:08.000 Taking the best guy, union, in the whole country.

01:23:14.000 You understand now?

01:23:15.000 Yes.

01:23:16.000 But in Washington, too, have ACA, but the senior.

01:23:23.000 It's a senior national team.

01:23:26.000 Okay, senior national team.

01:23:28.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:23:29.000 And when I go, when I stay in Aiden, You need to beat the kids that are 10 to 12 years.

01:23:45.000 In all of Cuba.

01:23:50.000 The junior national team takes you.

01:23:53.000 Then they take you.

01:23:54.000 The junior national team takes you to Havana.

01:23:56.000 You understand?

01:23:57.000 Yes.

01:23:58.000 But, I never won a junior national team.

01:24:02.000 He never won.

01:24:04.000 The 20-year-old.

01:24:08.000 He always came in second or third.

01:24:10.000 Never win.

01:24:11.000 Never.

01:24:15.000 He participated in five of them.

01:24:17.000 He never won.

01:24:20.000 Because he wasn't living his life correctly.

01:24:23.000 I see what you're saying.

01:24:25.000 So when your coach was telling you you're taking the wrong path, you saw the results?

01:24:33.000 That you weren't winning?

01:24:34.000 I go to Havana.

01:24:35.000 But remember, you need to beat it.

01:24:38.000 The Cuban national team.

01:24:40.000 I never beat it.

01:24:41.000 When I go, everybody knows this is history.

01:24:47.000 I go, I say to my daddy, I go to Havana.

01:24:51.000 No, no, no.

01:24:52.000 You need to train here in Pena del Rio.

01:24:54.000 You need to beat it in Cuba, everybody, everyone, and now the coach in Havana taking you.

01:25:01.000 You can't go.

01:25:02.000 Right.

01:25:03.000 So now I go.

01:25:05.000 This is not me saying.

01:25:07.000 When you go, the people say, who are you?

01:25:09.000 Right.

01:25:10.000 Get out of here.

01:25:11.000 You know?

01:25:12.000 So he went to Havana without winning.

01:25:14.000 Right.

01:25:17.000 Solo, yes!

01:25:18.000 Solo! 1.00

01:25:18.000 You said, fuck it, I'm going older. 1.00

01:25:19.000 How old are you? 1.00

01:25:21.000 17. Ah.

01:25:23.000 16 going on 17. That's the history when my coaches say, every time when I go to the fight, when I training, once he became the best in Cuba.

01:25:35.000 He looked me in the eyes like this, you remember when you coming here, And now you know.

01:25:42.000 Oh, I see.

01:25:44.000 And now you know what I say.

01:25:45.000 Yeah, so when you were about to compete, he would look at you and say, remember when you first came here?

01:25:51.000 Yeah.

01:25:51.000 When you were 17, by yourself, to Havana?

01:25:55.000 Yeah.

01:25:55.000 Ah, okay.

01:25:58.000 It's a long road to get there.

01:26:00.000 Many people who know this.

01:26:02.000 Escuela...

01:26:03.000 Let me go pee with you.

01:26:04.000 This is my man.

01:26:05.000 Yeah.

01:26:06.000 Jamie's on the ball.

01:26:07.000 Escuela de...

01:26:09.000 De Iniciación Deportiva Escolar.

01:26:11.000 Ah, okay.

01:26:13.000 Yes.

01:26:13.000 Nice.

01:26:14.000 Okay.

01:26:16.000 So now, when you're here and you're training with this guy who was coaching, he was a part of the Taekwondo program in Cuba.

01:26:27.000 What does he have you do?

01:26:28.000 What is a normal week for you?

01:26:32.000 Right now.

01:26:33.000 Right now, yeah.

01:26:34.000 Right now, only big...

01:26:38.000 Big weights?

01:26:39.000 Big weights.

01:26:40.000 Heavy weights, yeah.

01:26:41.000 Yeah, heavy.

01:26:42.000 Like are you doing like Olympic style, like clean press, like that kind of stuff?

01:26:45.000 Yes, yes.

01:26:46.000 Yeah?

01:26:47.000 But, remember, we make a test.

01:26:52.000 To see where your results are, physically.

01:26:54.000 Yes.

01:26:55.000 We make a test.

01:26:55.000 No, it's like a, okay.

01:26:58.000 Right, right, right.

01:26:59.000 It's all system.

01:27:01.000 System.

01:27:01.000 Right, yeah.

01:27:02.000 So what you're saying is it's not...

01:27:05.000 Random.

01:27:05.000 It's very specific.

01:27:07.000 Yeah, specific.

01:27:08.000 Yeah.

01:27:09.000 He says, okay, and you test the, for example, here, probably...

01:27:15.000 Bench press.

01:27:16.000 Bench press.

01:27:16.000 Right.

01:27:17.000 Okay.

01:27:18.000 And he writes the numbers down.

01:27:19.000 Right.

01:27:20.000 Okay, you have a...

01:27:21.000 There you go.

01:27:23.000 What is this here?

01:27:27.000 That guy's crying.

01:27:28.000 It's from the 213 countdown.

01:27:30.000 Ah, I see.

01:27:31.000 Yeah.

01:27:31.000 I see.

01:27:32.000 There you go.

01:27:35.000 That's the fourth time.

01:27:38.000 Now...

01:27:38.000 This is...

01:27:39.000 This is a special...

01:27:52.000 I don't know...

01:27:53.000 Joey's back, he'll help you out.

01:27:56.000 What's impressive is that your endurance has gotten better.

01:28:00.000 What do you say?

01:28:01.000 Your cardio, that was...

01:28:04.000 Before, you had been tired in the second round.

01:28:08.000 Now, you breathe better.

01:28:11.000 Your cardio is better.

01:28:12.000 How much of that is conditioning work, and how much of that is just knowing how to pace yourself better?

01:28:18.000 When that is because you were more intelligent, He got smarter.

01:28:33.000 Knowing how to pace yourself, knowing when to explode, when not to explode.

01:28:38.000 Yes.

01:28:40.000 Yes.

01:28:41.000 What did you say to Luke Rockhold after you knocked him out?

01:28:45.000 You were like, you were on top of him, talking to him.

01:28:49.000 Yeah.

01:28:49.000 What did you say to Luke Rockhold?

01:28:52.000 You know, because...

01:28:55.000 You know, Joe, in Cuba with the people...

01:29:02.000 Have a code.

01:29:06.000 I told you I stayed with the 15 years with my opponents together.

01:29:23.000 But you need respect.

01:29:26.000 You need respect. 0.99

01:29:30.000 So do you think too many people talk shit over here? 0.99

01:29:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:35.000 And when you cross the line, that's personal.

01:29:42.000 Right.

01:29:42.000 And then it becomes personal.

01:29:43.000 Yeah.

01:29:45.000 You can fight with me every day.

01:29:50.000 But if you have a coat, it's no problem.

01:29:54.000 Right.

01:29:55.000 It's a sport.

01:29:56.000 Right, right.

01:29:56.000 It's a sport.

01:29:57.000 But when you cross the line, if you stay with me here and outside, and you...

01:30:07.000 If you give him a hug, you put your arm around him.

01:30:13.000 Why, lady, you're talking...

01:30:17.000 Something not good about me.

01:30:19.000 Right.

01:30:20.000 Why?

01:30:22.000 Do you think that in America, particularly today in the UFC, this is common because it gets guys' attention and they see, like, Conor McGregor. 0.98

01:30:34.000 He makes a lot of money because not just of his ability, because he can fight really well, but also because he talks shit really well, too. 0.98

01:30:41.000 Timmy. 0.98

01:30:43.000 I understand a little bit, but I wanted Moses.

01:30:49.000 For sure.

01:30:56.000 Listen.

01:30:58.000 Conor is Conor.

01:30:59.000 Conor is Conor.

01:31:01.000 That's what you say.

01:31:03.000 I know many people like him, like Econor, in Cuba, in the national team.

01:31:10.000 Many people like this.

01:31:12.000 This is what I see right now.

01:31:16.000 What he's seeing right now, he's already lived.

01:31:23.000 He's already seen this.

01:31:24.000 Because in 15 years together, not only wrestling, listen, not only for wrestling, it's all sports together.

01:31:34.000 All the sports.

01:31:35.000 Together.

01:31:36.000 Everybody together.

01:31:37.000 Yeah.

01:31:37.000 You can believe this?

01:31:39.000 Just savages.

01:31:40.000 That's it.

01:31:41.000 Woman and man, together.

01:31:44.000 Good luck.

01:31:45.000 Yeah.

01:31:49.000 The best of the best, the best of the best, all together.

01:31:52.000 You can learn every second. 0.96

01:32:01.000 He was there 15 years and you learn every fucking second that you're there, you're learning. 0.89

01:32:09.000 Yeah, but for you to be there, you have to be in the top four. 0.97

01:32:25.000 So that's the pressure.

01:32:26.000 Yeah!

01:32:31.000 The top four in every division, in every sport.

01:32:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:34.000 Right, all together.

01:32:35.000 Because if you lose another talent, you lose this position.

01:32:40.000 For example, soccer.

01:32:43.000 The blocker, the goalie.

01:32:47.000 Okay, you're number four.

01:32:48.000 You're number four goalie.

01:32:49.000 Two more came out.

01:32:54.000 The selection of each deporte is 20 people.

01:33:00.000 20 people per selection.

01:33:02.000 For example, a soccer player.

01:33:05.000 Soccer team.

01:33:06.000 I think it's 30 or 24 people.

01:33:10.000 I think so.

01:33:11.000 30 people.

01:33:12.000 So you're number three.

01:33:14.000 You're number three.

01:33:15.000 He said, another guy is better in another city.

01:33:19.000 He said, okay, you're number three.

01:33:21.000 And now another guy, he push you.

01:33:23.000 You need to move.

01:33:24.000 You need to move.

01:33:26.000 Right, right.

01:33:26.000 He's coming and you go.

01:33:28.000 You go home.

01:33:29.000 You're gone.

01:33:30.000 You understand?

01:33:31.000 Yeah.

01:33:31.000 That's it.

01:33:31.000 That's a skiba.

01:33:32.000 Right, so the pressure is just intense.

01:33:34.000 For 15 years I've seen many people coming, go, sometimes the people, this year is good, another year is here, and in 3 years this guy is coming again, because he's beaten, he's better.

01:33:48.000 Say, hey man, you come back here.

01:33:51.000 He got better and came back.

01:33:53.000 Yeah, for another sport, not only wrestling, understand?

01:33:56.000 I can.

01:33:58.000 I can live with these people.

01:34:01.000 He could live with this, what's going on with the UFC. You could live with the competition, but it's not personal.

01:34:09.000 He could live with it. 0.99

01:34:14.000 It's no big fucking deal. 0.98

01:34:16.000 Many people now who want to make it the same way that Conor do it. 0.98

01:34:21.000 Right.

01:34:23.000 But Conor is Conor.

01:34:25.000 They're not Conor.

01:34:26.000 They're faking it.

01:34:27.000 Yeah!

01:34:28.000 They try too hard.

01:34:29.000 I say like this, I make a clap for Conor.

01:34:33.000 Yeah.

01:34:33.000 You know, that's his thing.

01:34:34.000 That's his thing.

01:34:35.000 Yeah.

01:34:37.000 That's him.

01:34:37.000 And now he maybe he what?

01:34:38.000 It's a fake.

01:34:42.000 Yeah.

01:34:43.000 You know, because Conor is not like this. 0.99

01:34:46.000 Well, it's interesting, like, Anderson Silva made it to the top without ever talking shit. 0.99

01:34:52.000 Never talked shit. 1.00

01:34:54.000 You can see that? 0.99

01:34:55.000 Anderson Silva was always respectful, and people went to see him and bought his pay-per-view just because he was a bad motherfucker, and they wanted to see him fight. 0.98

01:35:03.000 It was 100% based on his ability. 0.97

01:35:04.000 You see what happened in the fight?

01:35:08.000 Anderson beat the bathroom?

01:35:12.000 That's not fake!

01:35:14.000 That's not fake, you understand?

01:35:16.000 He's quiet, but this day, he put the mask on.

01:35:23.000 That's not fake.

01:35:25.000 He don't need an imitation corner.

01:35:28.000 Because Vitor was saying that Anderson was fake, that he wears a mask, and that's not who he really is.

01:35:33.000 You understand?

01:35:34.000 So Anderson took it very personal.

01:35:35.000 That's personal.

01:35:37.000 But I never see Anderson like this.

01:35:40.000 No, that was the most personal.

01:35:41.000 Everything quiet, very professional, you understand?

01:35:43.000 That's what I say.

01:35:45.000 And now the people want money.

01:35:47.000 No, man, you're not coming.

01:35:49.000 You're not at all.

01:35:50.000 You're in fire.

01:35:51.000 You're fired. 1.00

01:35:52.000 Go and kill the people. 1.00

01:35:55.000 Take the hand. 1.00

01:35:57.000 And now the people pay you.

01:36:01.000 When you fight again, the people pay pay-per-view because the people want to see you.

01:36:07.000 The people don't want you.

01:36:10.000 Okay.

01:36:11.000 So you want to say something?

01:36:12.000 Say.

01:36:13.000 But no No imites a Conor No don't imitate Conor You know There's definitely a lot of people That are doing that Doing a bad job of it So what was it What did you say to Luke Rocko?

01:36:26.000 I say, hey Luke, and now you sing, and now you remember, When you take me and you say you are going to hang out, go out, go to the party, and when you stay with me, you say to me, hey, you want to fight me?

01:36:49.000 He said, no.

01:36:50.000 Why you ask me?

01:36:51.000 Why you ask?

01:36:53.000 He said, no, you want to fight with me?

01:36:55.000 He said, no, that's not the question.

01:36:56.000 The question is, you want to fight me?

01:36:58.000 So this is before the fight.

01:37:00.000 You guys had a conversation.

01:37:02.000 Long time before.

01:37:03.000 Long time ago.

01:37:03.000 And he said he didn't want to fight you.

01:37:04.000 Yeah, he said he don't want to fight me.

01:37:06.000 He said, okay, bro, so you don't want to fight me, I don't fight you.

01:37:09.000 You understand?

01:37:10.000 But what was that about?

01:37:11.000 Why would you guys say that?

01:37:12.000 Why would you have this conversation?

01:37:15.000 You're in the same division.

01:37:17.000 Yeah.

01:37:17.000 Why would he say that he doesn't want to fight you?

01:37:19.000 I don't know.

01:37:20.000 You need to ask him.

01:37:21.000 Not me.

01:37:22.000 Okay.

01:37:23.000 He didn't start the conversation.

01:37:26.000 Right.

01:37:27.000 Okay.

01:37:28.000 You need to ask him.

01:37:29.000 Right.

01:37:32.000 Because I know you stay in the same division.

01:37:36.000 Right.

01:37:36.000 So you don't want to fight me, lose it.

01:37:39.000 If you don't want to fight, move it.

01:37:42.000 Either go up or lose it.

01:37:46.000 If you win and I win, we're going to have to fight.

01:37:52.000 So when you finally did fight him, that was when you felt he was disrespectful. 1.00

01:37:58.000 He was talking a lot of shit. 0.99

01:38:00.000 That's what I think. 1.00

01:38:05.000 Antes de que pasara lo que paso con Usada, Before, what happened with Lusada?

01:38:13.000 That's what happened every time with Hay Sidney.

01:38:17.000 Let's explain to people what happened.

01:38:19.000 You got a hold of a tainted supplement.

01:38:21.000 There was something in the supplement that was forbidden.

01:38:26.000 They found that it was in the supplement, so you got cleared, but you had a small suspension.

01:38:30.000 It's not food.

01:38:31.000 It's not food.

01:38:34.000 Ese suplemento, yo lo estaba tomando.

01:38:36.000 That's what I know.

01:38:38.000 Believe me, I don't understand what happened.

01:38:41.000 Because this supplement, I take it.

01:38:47.000 I take it.

01:38:49.000 Why this supplement?

01:38:52.000 I have something forbidden in it.

01:38:53.000 Yeah.

01:38:53.000 See, why?

01:38:55.000 Why not before?

01:38:56.000 Right.

01:38:57.000 Well, it's very common, and a lot of times what happens is the suppliers, when you, say if you're a supplement company, and you have someone make some stuff for you, and then you package it and sell it, the people that are putting it together for you, they're selling a bunch of other things, too, and oftentimes things get into your supplement that aren't supposed to be there.

01:39:16.000 Especially...

01:39:17.000 No, tell me.

01:39:18.000 So, let's suppose the people who do this, This has happened to a lot of guys.

01:39:36.000 Can I ask you a question?

01:39:37.000 Can I ask you both a question? 0.99

01:39:39.000 Is it true I could go into GNC and buy shit that could get jacked? 0.99

01:39:42.000 Yes. 1.00

01:39:43.000 GNC? Yes.

01:39:44.000 I've heard you talking on the podcast, not when I'm on, but other people.

01:39:48.000 Yeah.

01:39:48.000 So I could go into GNC and take the guy aside.

01:39:51.000 There's a lot of stuff that you go, if you go into GNC, you'll buy stuff that's on the shelves for a little while and then they pull it.

01:39:56.000 And when companies sell stuff to them, sometimes they'll say there's one thing in it, but there's other things in it as well.

01:40:01.000 That's a real common thing, especially if something works really well. 0.97

01:40:04.000 Like a lot of times the stuff that works really well, people find out, yeah, it works really well because there's fucking steroids in it. 0.98

01:40:10.000 Yeah. 0.93

01:40:10.000 I mean, it might not just be GNC, just any vitamin store. 0.93

01:40:13.000 Okay.

01:40:14.000 Not necessarily GNC, but there's a bunch of them.

01:40:16.000 Legal steroids at GNC, vitamin shop, and Walmart, and more.

01:40:19.000 Yeah.

01:40:19.000 See, this is very, very common.

01:40:22.000 When you go to these places and buy these things, there's a lot of stuff at a regular vitamin store that'll make you test positive by USADA. You'll test for banned substances from stuff you just buy in a store.

01:40:34.000 Joe, you know, many times I think...

01:40:39.000 After this happened, I think many times, invitation people from Cuba.

01:40:47.000 Take people, say, okay, you and you and you and you and you come to Cuba for maybe 20 days.

01:40:57.000 I wanted the people to see because the genetic for Cuba...

01:41:04.000 Off the charts.

01:41:07.000 Not for the athletic people.

01:41:10.000 No, no, no.

01:41:11.000 Normally.

01:41:11.000 Everybody.

01:41:12.000 Normal people of incredible genetics.

01:41:14.000 Yeah, normal.

01:41:14.000 I want the people invitation.

01:41:15.000 Right, right.

01:41:16.000 You need to see an open mind.

01:41:21.000 Right, right, right.

01:41:22.000 And he know.

01:41:23.000 That's what I say.

01:41:25.000 Well, here's the thing about a guy like you.

01:41:27.000 You know how much you need to pay for the steroids?

01:41:32.000 Right.

01:41:33.000 Come on man.

01:41:34.000 They don't have the money.

01:41:35.000 Come on man.

01:41:35.000 Right.

01:41:37.000 Come on man.

01:41:38.000 These people don't have...

01:41:39.000 They don't have anything.

01:41:43.000 I know what you're saying.

01:41:44.000 The other thing is, you can take all the steroids in the world, you're not going to look like you.

01:41:47.000 The way a person like you looks, it has to be genetics.

01:41:52.000 You took a regular guy and gave him steroids. 0.95

01:42:02.000 He would never look like you.

01:42:03.000 Thank you.

01:42:10.000 Yeah, a lot of it is genetics, and a lot of it is also, you've got to think, from the time you were little, you were involved in this intense athletic program.

01:42:19.000 Your body developed that way.

01:42:21.000 What does he say?

01:42:21.000 That you were a young man, you were in this.

01:42:25.000 That your body grew up.

01:42:29.000 Because what you were doing was 11, 12, and 10.

01:42:34.000 No, he wanted to...

01:42:36.000 Believe me, I want to do this.

01:42:39.000 The invitation people from Cuba, I want the people to see.

01:42:41.000 Right.

01:42:42.000 You want them to go see?

01:42:43.000 Yeah, I want to see.

01:42:45.000 And I want to see after.

01:42:49.000 After?

01:42:49.000 No now, because it's my secret for me.

01:42:52.000 You know?

01:42:53.000 I wanted after when I train, when I beat the barrel, Because you can't put everything you're doing in the video where the people say, I do this, I do this, and now I can't beat him.

01:43:06.000 You understand what I say?

01:43:07.000 Yes.

01:43:08.000 Okay.

01:43:09.000 I wanted the invitation camera.

01:43:13.000 For me, for three monks.

01:43:17.000 For three months, I never taken nothing.

01:43:20.000 And now you see what I do.

01:43:21.000 Right.

01:43:22.000 You understand?

01:43:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:43:23.000 Stop talking shit. 1.00

01:43:26.000 Right. 1.00

01:43:26.000 You understand? 1.00

01:43:27.000 So, people accused you of taking steroids after the tainted supplement thing, but you've never tested positive before?

01:43:36.000 No, never.

01:43:36.000 Or after?

01:43:37.000 I do for the Olympic Commission, test since 1995. From 1995, he's been testing for the Olympics.

01:43:49.000 He's been getting tested by the Olympics, I'm sorry.

01:43:52.000 And he never came up positive.

01:43:56.000 But the thing is when someone looks at you, because you have so much muscle, they assume you're doing something.

01:44:02.000 Yeah, the people think, well there's smoke there's fire.

01:44:19.000 The people think that if you're doing that.

01:44:22.000 Can I just interject here for a second?

01:44:29.000 I grew up with a lot of Cuban guys, the dark-skinned guys.

01:44:36.000 And it's amazing.

01:44:39.000 But then you see somebody like...

01:44:41.000 To me, when I look at a physical specimen, I always compare it to Dave Winfield.

01:44:46.000 You remember Dave Winfield?

01:44:47.000 Can I have a picture of Dave Winfield?

01:44:49.000 Of a baseball player.

01:44:51.000 You know, 6'7", baseball player.

01:44:53.000 Ran bases, you know.

01:44:55.000 On the other hand, Canseco...

01:44:57.000 Had to do 4.4 and he did the 40-yard dash and all that.

01:45:02.000 Right.

01:45:02.000 But, you know, to me, this is just me and I hope I don't get in trouble for saying this.

01:45:07.000 Look at Dave Winfield's baseball body.

01:45:10.000 He was sick.

01:45:10.000 I saw him in person once.

01:45:12.000 That picture that you just had up, Jamie, of him and...

01:45:14.000 Yeah, right there. 1.00

01:45:15.000 Man, look at the fucking legs on that guy. 1.00

01:45:18.000 Africa is a fucking huge country. 1.00

01:45:21.000 And God knows what came through Cuba. 0.99

01:45:27.000 And what we developed and how we developed like.

01:45:31.000 Then you have Earl Campbell.

01:45:35.000 What tribe in Africa did Earl Campbell come with?

01:45:37.000 How about Herschel Walker?

01:45:38.000 How about Herschel Walker?

01:45:39.000 Herschel Walker's still 52 years of age.

01:45:42.000 He's jacked. 0.99

01:45:43.000 You know, are you saying that Herschel's fucking juicing? 1.00

01:45:45.000 Right. 0.99

01:45:46.000 You know, these people went through Cuba.

01:45:48.000 Now you add that with the no feeding, because these guys don't have the best nutrition in the world in Cuba.

01:45:54.000 Right.

01:45:54.000 They don't have the, you know, what are you hearing now?

01:45:56.000 That even the Cuban cigars aren't that good anymore.

01:45:58.000 Really?

01:45:59.000 Because the dirt isn't that good, you know? 1.00

01:46:01.000 You know, it's a fucking poor country. 0.99

01:46:02.000 It's not like they get vitamin water and what's-his-name down there. 1.00

01:46:06.000 You know, so you have to take all those things. 0.99

01:46:09.000 You know, these guys lived on dick. 0.99

01:46:10.000 Let me see something. 1.00

01:46:13.000 You know what?

01:46:15.000 Many people know who he is.

01:46:20.000 Who's the guy?

01:46:22.000 This is the 117. 170. Which one?

01:46:25.000 Tyron Woodley?

01:46:26.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:46:27.000 We stay in Cuba training.

01:46:29.000 Oh, Matt Brown.

01:46:30.000 Matt Brown.

01:46:31.000 Yeah.

01:46:31.000 He know this.

01:46:32.000 Yes.

01:46:32.000 You know what the people take after the training?

01:46:38.000 Like recover.

01:46:40.000 To recover.

01:46:41.000 Yeah, like Gatorade, something like this.

01:46:44.000 Gatorade, right.

01:46:47.000 Are you ready for what he's going to tell you, what they drink to recover?

01:46:49.000 For sure.

01:46:50.000 What?

01:46:50.000 Yeah.

01:46:51.000 Okay, I'm sitting down.

01:46:52.000 Yeah.

01:46:55.000 Water with sugar.

01:46:58.000 Water with sugar.

01:47:01.000 Wow.

01:47:03.000 Low tech.

01:47:08.000 Because they don't have nothing.

01:47:09.000 They don't have anything.

01:47:11.000 They have nothing.

01:47:12.000 So you never saw any steroid use?

01:47:15.000 You never saw any athletes?

01:47:23.000 Listen.

01:47:28.000 Do you know how many people are in an Olympic Center?

01:47:32.000 Where all the sports are.

01:47:39.000 That he has the consciousness that he knows.

01:47:44.000 That it's 15 years as an athlete.

01:47:47.000 That two cases came out positive.

01:47:52.000 Wow.

01:47:54.000 In Cuba.

01:47:57.000 Out of all those years, two cases?

01:47:59.000 Two cases.

01:47:59.000 I don't know.

01:48:02.000 I don't know.

01:48:06.000 One guy was in a weight lifter.

01:48:08.000 El Guajiro. 1.00

01:48:11.000 That means they called him like a country motherfucker. 1.00

01:48:13.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:48:13.000 He was crazy. 1.00

01:48:16.000 El Guajiro. 0.97

01:48:18.000 El Guajiro.

01:48:19.000 Y creo que el otro dio positivo pero por marihuana.

01:48:23.000 And the other guy was positive for marijuana.

01:48:25.000 For marijuana.

01:48:26.000 Yeah.

01:48:27.000 Y el Guajiro creo que dio positivo por testosterona.

01:48:32.000 Testosterone.

01:48:33.000 He was positive for testosterone.

01:48:34.000 How common is marijuana in Cuba?

01:48:37.000 There's a lot of marijuana in Cuba.

01:48:38.000 Yes.

01:48:44.000 Yes, there.

01:48:46.000 Yes, there.

01:48:47.000 No.

01:48:48.000 No.

01:48:50.000 A ver.

01:48:51.000 If you start looking at it.

01:48:56.000 For us, the Cubans, there's a lot.

01:49:01.000 For the Cubans, there's a lot of marijuana.

01:49:07.000 His niece?

01:49:09.000 He never saw a pop plant in her life.

01:49:14.000 His nephew doesn't even know what it is.

01:49:19.000 He never even heard people speak about it.

01:49:25.000 Uh-uh.

01:49:28.000 On the street.

01:49:29.000 When you go on the streets.

01:49:30.000 You know?

01:49:31.000 Yeah.

01:49:32.000 People know what they're talking about.

01:49:34.000 People know what a Percocet is.

01:49:39.000 People know what a Percocet is.

01:49:40.000 But that's in the people's street.

01:49:43.000 Is marijuana illegal in Cuba?

01:49:45.000 Ilegal.

01:49:46.000 You get in big trouble.

01:49:48.000 Big trouble.

01:49:49.000 Big trouble.

01:49:50.000 And I... I take you to 100 houses.

01:49:56.000 He'll take you to a hundred houses in his city.

01:50:02.000 And he'll get kids.

01:50:09.000 Maybe now, maybe. 0.98

01:50:12.000 The whole society and the whole world is a little fucking crazy right now. 0.91

01:50:18.000 And his era there in Cuba. 0.97

01:50:22.000 You could call 100 kids and take two out of each house and ask them if they know what marijuana is.

01:50:41.000 Wow, yeah.

01:50:44.000 Is it now the system we live in?

01:50:48.000 It's not compared to what it's like here.

01:50:58.000 But there's marijuana.

01:51:00.000 There's marijuana.

01:51:01.000 When Ozil Motley went to Cuba, the band Ozil Motley from LA, he told me he copped.

01:51:06.000 He copped some weed in Cuba. 0.98

01:51:08.000 I would be so fucking scared. 0.99

01:51:10.000 Yeah, I wouldn't fuck it up. 0.99

01:51:11.000 You want to get locked up in Cuba?

01:51:13.000 What's that?

01:51:18.000 Would you ask him?

01:51:19.000 Look!

01:51:21.000 How much time they give you? 0.99

01:51:21.000 From 10 to 20 years For one joint Fuck that One, uno, wow In your UFC career, you had one very controversial fight with Tim Kennedy 0.99

01:51:45.000 That time where you sat on the stool for a long time, like an extra 30 seconds in between the rounds. 0.99

01:51:52.000 What was that?

01:51:52.000 What's your take on that?

01:51:53.000 What's your take on that?

01:51:55.000 That you sit for 30 seconds and that Tim Kennedy says, bingo, what happened?

01:52:00.000 Look, in the code, there are two codes, the code from the street and the code of sports.

01:52:10.000 He has two colleagues in his life, colleagues from the street and colleagues from the sport.

01:52:16.000 Okay.

01:52:16.000 The two have to be engaged.

01:52:19.000 Both of them have to go hand in hand.

01:52:21.000 He doesn't think he has any of those. .

01:52:32.000 What does that mean?

01:52:36.000 He was holding on to his fingers.

01:52:42.000 He grabbed your glove.

01:52:44.000 Before that.

01:52:49.000 When they were against the fence.

01:52:52.000 He was holding his glove.

01:52:55.000 So he was cheating.

01:52:58.000 It's my fault! 1.00

01:53:01.000 It's his fault because he didn't have to let him grab his fucking gloves. 1.00

01:53:07.000 He let him grab. 1.00

01:53:10.000 And then he grabbed his.

01:53:16.000 He's holding on to my glove.

01:53:18.000 So when you grabbed his glove, he told the referee?

01:53:22.000 Yes.

01:53:24.000 He's got him up against the wall.

01:53:29.000 - They know they're against the fence.

01:53:44.000 He grabs his hand first.

01:53:49.000 He breaks the grip.

01:53:51.000 And he grabs his.

01:53:54.000 And he told the ref.

01:53:56.000 He lets it go right away.

01:53:59.000 They kept fighting.

01:54:00.000 Right.

01:54:01.000 And then when it's time to get to the last 10 seconds, like 20 or 15 seconds.

01:54:07.000 15 seconds left in the fight.

01:54:10.000 And he grabbed his glove again.

01:54:12.000 And he hit you.

01:54:14.000 There's a video of that.

01:54:17.000 He's going to ask you a question, Joe. 1.00

01:54:19.000 If he sticks his finger in your fucking eye, what is that? 1.00

01:54:25.000 It's a foul. 1.00

01:54:27.000 How many minutes do you need it for that you recover?

01:54:30.000 It's a good question.

01:54:31.000 Depending on how bad your eyes are hurt, it might be over.

01:54:35.000 What do you say?

01:54:40.000 Normal, how long would it be?

01:54:44.000 It could take a few minutes. 0.99

01:54:47.000 If he kicks you in the balls, take a few minutes. 0.99

01:54:55.000 Is this legal or illegal? 0.99

01:54:59.000 Grabbing gloves, is it legal or not legal?

01:55:02.000 If he punches you with your gloves, with me holding on to your gloves, if I'm punching you and I'm holding on to your gloves, is that legal or illegal?

01:55:15.000 How much time should I have taken off?

01:55:21.000 What you're saying is you sat down for extra time in between the rounds because he committed a foul right before that.

01:55:31.000 No, no, no, no.

01:55:33.000 No?

01:55:33.000 No, yo no me quedé sentado por eso.

01:55:35.000 Yo le estoy haciendo una pregunta.

01:55:36.000 He's asking you a question.

01:55:38.000 Si se hubiese parado la pelea.

01:55:41.000 Si el árbitro hubiese percatado.

01:55:44.000 Si el árbitro hubiese visto.

01:55:47.000 If the judge would have seen that, that he would have seen him ripping off his glove, and he would have seen him punching him like that, how much time would he have taken?

01:56:02.000 Well, he should take points away.

01:56:03.000 This is what I think.

01:56:05.000 I think anytime someone does a foul, he should take points away. 1.00

01:56:08.000 Kick in the dick, kick in the balls, point away. 1.00

01:56:13.000 Poke in the eye, point away. 1.00

01:56:14.000 Because even if you don't mean to do it, Even if you don't mean to do it, it still does damage.

01:56:22.000 And it's a foul.

01:56:24.000 So I think you should get a point taken away.

01:56:29.000 He didn't say it for a certain word.

01:56:34.000 The fight ended.

01:56:38.000 Because the time ended.

01:56:41.000 If not, he would have lost the fight.

01:56:43.000 Right.

01:56:44.000 Right.

01:56:45.000 Because you were hurt.

01:56:49.000 He punched him eight times.

01:56:52.000 Right, right.

01:56:53.000 If the time wouldn't have ended, he would have lost the fight.

01:57:00.000 Right.

01:57:00.000 So the round was over.

01:57:02.000 You sat down in between rounds.

01:57:06.000 What happened?

01:57:08.000 When the time ended...

01:57:16.000 Stay right there and clean him. 0.96

01:57:18.000 But my coach is intelligent.

01:57:22.000 My coach said, I can't do it.

01:57:25.000 So your coach bought you extra time.

01:57:28.000 But it was not the fault.

01:57:30.000 It was that.

01:57:31.000 If you look at it, it's okay.

01:57:33.000 If you watch it, his trainer couldn't clean him, couldn't wipe him.

01:57:39.000 He said, "I can't touch him." My trainer said, "No, no, no.

01:57:43.000 Limp it.

01:57:44.000 I'll send you.

01:57:45.000 Because the guy who had to clean me was the Cutman.

01:57:47.000 The cream.

01:57:49.000 Oh, the guy that was supposed to wipe him down was the Cutman.

01:57:52.000 But the Cut Man couldn't do it, so then the other guy had a Cut Man.

01:57:56.000 The Cut Man had left already.

01:57:59.000 Just the only two that were in the ring were the two trainers.

01:58:03.000 And then my coach said, I can't touch it.

01:58:07.000 He said, yes, yes.

01:58:07.000 And my character said, I'll tell you.

01:58:09.000 Limp it.

01:58:10.000 So did they cover you with water to give you extra time?

01:58:14.000 They gave you water for more time.

01:58:18.000 No.

01:58:19.000 He's always done the water exclusively in his trainings.

01:58:25.000 He likes the water for recovery.

01:58:33.000 But he tells people to wipe them down.

01:58:37.000 It's not for more time, it's for him to recover.

01:58:42.000 Right.

01:58:43.000 You have to throw the water on it.

01:58:57.000 And with the towels on them and to wipe it down at the same time.

01:59:02.000 To cool them off.

01:59:04.000 So at the end of the round, the round ends.

01:59:06.000 You're sitting on the corner.

01:59:07.000 The round's supposed to begin.

01:59:09.000 Tim Kennedy's standing up.

01:59:11.000 And he's like, what is going on here?

01:59:12.000 He thinks maybe the fight's over.

01:59:14.000 And you're still sitting down.

01:59:16.000 He wanted the fight to be over.

01:59:17.000 Yeah.

01:59:18.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:59:19.000 Because he felt a winner.

01:59:23.000 He didn't want to fight with me.

01:59:27.000 Tim Kennedy didn't want to fight him.

01:59:30.000 They spent three months.

01:59:32.000 The UFC said, take the fight.

01:59:36.000 And he always said that he had a injury.

01:59:39.000 He didn't want to fight.

01:59:40.000 First he said he had an injury he didn't want to fight, so it took the UFC three months for him to fight Yoel.

01:59:46.000 Right, but he could have had an injury.

01:59:48.000 He could have had an injury, but that...

01:59:49.000 It is possible.

01:59:52.000 No, he's not saying it.

01:59:54.000 Right, right, right.

01:59:55.000 Because they gave him the fight three times he didn't want.

02:00:01.000 And he always, something always...

02:00:04.000 Until he finally took the fight.

02:00:07.000 No.

02:00:09.000 I told you...

02:00:13.000 Fifteen years dealing with people.

02:00:16.000 He knows how they're going to manifest.

02:00:23.000 In the beginning he was very nice.

02:00:27.000 Very...

02:00:30.000 At the weigh-ins.

02:00:34.000 He's standing there minding his business.

02:00:36.000 The main car was Poirier and McGregor.

02:00:46.000 It was hot.

02:00:47.000 Yeah.

02:00:48.000 Un poco de show y eso.

02:00:50.000 Y viene y me dice, "Hey, yo." Like this.

02:00:53.000 "Hey, yo." "What's up?" "Please, please, no do this." Right.

02:01:00.000 Who said that to you? 0.64

02:01:03.000 Tim!

02:01:04.000 So let's be professional, let's be friendly.

02:01:07.000 Right.

02:01:08.000 Hey, like this, hey.

02:01:10.000 Hey, what's up?

02:01:12.000 Please, no do this.

02:01:14.000 I said, what?

02:01:14.000 No, this.

02:01:15.000 I said, I don't do it.

02:01:17.000 Right.

02:01:17.000 Why would he come up to him and say that if the whole time he's been very respectful to Tim Kennedy?

02:01:30.000 Right, I don't know.

02:01:31.000 Because he want to talk.

02:01:34.000 You know, like a friend.

02:01:37.000 Those are games that are used in sports.

02:01:42.000 To try to be your friend.

02:01:44.000 When we were in the fight, if you watched the fight closely, the first round he won it easy.

02:01:54.000 Second round, I'm winning the round until the last 10 seconds.

02:02:01.000 If that wouldn't happen with the grab glove, he would have won the second round also.

02:02:13.000 Right, so him grabbing your glove is how he was able to hit you.

02:02:17.000 Yeah.

02:02:20.000 He didn't touch him in the whole fight.

02:02:22.000 Right.

02:02:23.000 Just in those last 10 seconds. 0.99

02:02:27.000 But he hit him real fucking hard. 0.99

02:02:28.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:02:29.000 So when you were sitting there, what was going through your mind when you were sitting there and Tim Kennedy was telling you to stand up and you knew that the round was over?

02:02:37.000 Or that the rest period was over?

02:02:39.000 When you were sitting there, Tim Kennedy was telling you to stop, stop, stop.

02:02:43.000 What was you thinking?

02:02:44.000 I said, wait for me, I'm going to stop now.

02:02:47.000 Let me clean up. 0.98

02:02:49.000 I'm gonna get up as soon as they fucking wipe me down. 0.97

02:02:52.000 He, in reality, didn't think that Tim, that he wanted to stay sitting down. 0.98

02:03:10.000 That he was thinking and now he wants to come out to finish knocking me out.

02:03:18.000 Now I got him. 1.00

02:03:25.000 Let me dry me off and then we'll fucking fight. 1.00

02:03:29.000 Right, but you only get one minute rest. 0.99

02:03:33.000 You were hurt at the end of the round.

02:03:35.000 There's only one minute rest, but you took a minute and 30 seconds. 0.98

02:03:38.000 that extra 30 seconds had to help que dice que tu te tan supuestro da un minuto pero tu cogiste un minuto y 30 segundos que esos 30 segundos te ayudaron bueno claro que si yeah fuck yeah But it's not his fault. 0.98

02:03:53.000 It's not your fault. 0.97

02:03:55.000 If he would have been cleaned up.

02:04:03.000 If McCarthy would have said go out and fight, go out and fight.

02:04:06.000 Put the video on.

02:04:07.000 When he goes go, he sees that he's all sweating and he told me to slow down.

02:04:18.000 So you're saying that that was not a ploy in order to get you more rest?

02:04:24.000 No, no, no, for sure.

02:04:27.000 So the only other fight, well, that was a controversial moment.

02:04:32.000 You said that in the Robert Whittaker fight, that was a learning experience for you, because you went five rounds, came very close to winning the interim title, but came short.

02:04:44.000 Like, what did you get out of that fight?

02:04:46.000 that you said that was a big learning experience for you that was a big learning experience because going five rounds while for those Last night his manager said that after the fight when he saw him, that he had a big smile on his face.

02:05:14.000 He was very happy.

02:05:20.000 He didn't take that loss as serious as he should have.

02:05:26.000 It's the same with Rafael Feijal too.

02:05:30.000 Learned.

02:05:31.000 Learned.

02:05:32.000 And now you see what happened.

02:05:35.000 With Luke Rockhold.

02:05:36.000 Luke Rockhold.

02:05:37.000 Yeah.

02:05:37.000 You need to learn.

02:05:38.000 What did you learn in the Robert Whittaker fight?

02:05:41.000 About the timing.

02:05:42.000 Timing.

02:05:43.000 Timing.

02:05:43.000 Yeah.

02:05:44.000 About the timing.

02:05:46.000 You need a little more calm down.

02:05:49.000 Listen.

02:05:49.000 The people talk about my gas.

02:05:52.000 Right.

02:05:52.000 But the most, what I also could feel with Luke Rocko, that he saw in the fight, that it's not as easy as he thought.

02:06:10.000 Well, the other thing was that Luke Rocko didn't, It wasn't as easy as it was to fight this fucking guy. 0.96

02:06:17.000 You know, he saw that it wasn't that easy. 0.99

02:06:19.000 Hmm.

02:06:20.000 When he was training in Albuquerque with John Jones.

02:06:44.000 He saw something.

02:06:51.000 They controlled his attacks.

02:06:54.000 When?

02:06:56.000 When he should attack.

02:06:58.000 He's learned that from John.

02:07:01.000 And that hadn't happened with him.

02:07:03.000 Go, go, go. 1.00

02:07:06.000 If you tell somebody, go, go, go, they're not a fucking machine. 1.00

02:07:14.000 They're going to get fucking tired. 1.00

02:07:15.000 Right, right, right. 0.99

02:07:16.000 That's what happened.

02:07:17.000 You had to learn to pace yourself.

02:07:18.000 That's it.

02:07:19.000 Right.

02:07:23.000 He's never worried about five rounds.

02:07:25.000 Because I train every day.

02:07:27.000 Right.

02:07:27.000 You have to be proctified by...

02:07:37.000 You have to be worried if you know that you don't have gas in that gas tank.

02:07:41.000 I don't have a problem for five rounds.

02:07:45.000 The argument has always been that a guy who has more muscle has a harder time keeping a fast pace.

02:07:52.000 So what you've learned how to do is to pace yourself for your body type.

02:07:57.000 Does that make sense?

02:07:58.000 Dicen que la gente que tiene muchos músculos necesitan mucho aire para bajarse duro por tres rounds. 1.00

02:08:05.000 Lo que tú estás diciendo ahora que tú aprendí cómo controlarte más.

02:08:11.000 La gente que tiene muchos músculos, you know, like a soccer group, Remember when he fought?

02:08:17.000 Sakuraba? 0.97

02:08:17.000 No, no, the black dude with the crazy hair. 0.97

02:08:20.000 Sokuju. 0.99

02:08:21.000 I mean, when I saw Sokuju, I turned the TV off. 0.96

02:08:23.000 I was so fucking scared. 0.93

02:08:24.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.95

02:08:25.000 I just turned the TV off.

02:08:27.000 But after a round and a half, it maintains a lot of oxygen.

02:08:30.000 I've learned that from you talking on the UFC, that you need a lot of oxygen.

02:08:34.000 Eso ha cambiado contigo.

02:08:36.000 No, tú sabes, aunque tú cojas a Minnie Mouse, to take a Minnie Mouse.

02:08:43.000 You take mini mouse.

02:08:44.000 Mighty mouse?

02:08:45.000 Mighty mouse.

02:08:46.000 You even have to tell him to breathe and pace himself.

02:08:55.000 But to have all that muscle, it takes more endurance, right?

02:09:05.000 But the payoff is you have much more power.

02:09:12.000 Yes.

02:09:14.000 How, how?

02:09:15.000 You have more power.

02:09:17.000 You understand?

02:09:18.000 You have to talk about the training, the type of training that you are now.

02:09:22.000 You have to be more calm.

02:09:25.000 Yes.

02:09:26.000 But the last one, you have to take it.

02:09:29.000 Yes, yes, yes, for sure.

02:09:31.000 So you've learned how to pace yourself for your body type and your style.

02:09:38.000 And now, like that five rounds with Whitaker, that was a big learning experience for you in that way.

02:09:44.000 Yep.

02:09:44.000 So now you're going to fight Whittaker again?

02:09:46.000 Yes.

02:09:47.000 Yes.

02:09:48.000 You look very excited.

02:09:49.000 Yes.

02:09:51.000 I think if you win, you will be the oldest guy to ever, well, maybe Randy Couture when he won the heavyweight title, but for sure middleweight.

02:10:00.000 You'll definitely be the oldest middleweight.

02:10:01.000 I think Randy was older when he won the heavyweight title when he fought with Tim Sylvia. - - - I think Randy was 46?

02:10:16.000 46?

02:10:18.000 No, Randy!

02:10:20.000 Jesus Christ! 0.93

02:10:21.000 Randy was a beast.

02:10:22.000 Randy, no! 0.99

02:10:23.000 He was a beast.

02:10:25.000 He is the best.

02:10:26.000 Yeah.

02:10:28.000 The fight was the first light heavyweight since losing to Chuck.

02:10:31.000 His first fight at light heavyweight.

02:10:32.000 He beat him the oldest fight to win a UFC bout.

02:10:35.000 No, no, no.

02:10:35.000 That's a UFC bout.

02:10:36.000 No, no, no.

02:10:37.000 That's not what I meant.

02:10:37.000 Look at when he...

02:10:38.000 How old was he when he beat Tim Sylvia?

02:10:40.000 I had champion type then.

02:10:41.000 Yeah.

02:10:42.000 Find out how old he was when he beat...

02:10:44.000 40!

02:10:44.000 You wanted to be younger.

02:10:45.000 40!

02:10:47.000 I think he was...

02:10:48.000 I want to say he was 44. I want to say he was 44. I think.

02:10:54.000 He might have been, yeah.

02:10:56.000 45 in four months.

02:10:58.000 45?

02:10:59.000 45, man. 1.00

02:11:00.000 Damn. 0.99

02:11:00.000 So he beat Tim Silvio for the heavyweight title when he was 45. That's fucking crazy. 0.99

02:11:04.000 Now, all due respect, you have to remember that there was the testing back then. 0.99

02:11:08.000 They'd just look at you and go, yeah, you look clean. 0.99

02:11:11.000 There's no fucking testing. 0.99

02:11:12.000 They'd test you at the weigh-ins. 1.00

02:11:14.000 That was it.

02:11:14.000 There was no random testing.

02:11:16.000 There was no USADA. It's a different ballgame now, as far as guys getting tested.

02:11:20.000 He gets tested the most in the UFC. Really?

02:11:26.000 Because look at you.

02:11:31.000 Two times a month.

02:11:34.000 Two times a month?

02:11:35.000 Wow.

02:11:37.000 They just show up?

02:11:41.000 They're outside right now.

02:11:44.000 Maybe, maybe.

02:11:47.000 All of us are going to get pissed.

02:11:49.000 Don't mix those tests up.

02:11:51.000 We're going to have a real problem.

02:11:53.000 You know, it's funny.

02:11:54.000 New York.

02:12:01.000 Is it New York?

02:12:01.000 In New York.

02:12:03.000 In the fight with Chris.

02:12:08.000 Chris Weidman.

02:12:09.000 Yeah.

02:12:10.000 When I make a song like this, I got...

02:12:13.000 They test you right after you flexed.

02:12:17.000 Only me!

02:12:18.000 No, come on, come on. 0.96

02:12:20.000 Well, New York, you know, that was new.

02:12:22.000 New York is very new to MMA. I mean, they've only had MMA a couple of years now.

02:12:26.000 But it's funny, like a monster, monster?

02:12:29.000 Monster energy drink?

02:12:30.000 Yeah.

02:12:31.000 Say, oh, look at this guy, man. 0.98

02:12:35.000 He's a really monster. 0.99

02:12:36.000 And when I go out, he say, come on, monster. 0.99

02:12:41.000 Come on, monster. 0.98

02:12:42.000 Come on, monster. 0.98

02:12:43.000 We're going to test you. 0.75

02:12:44.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

02:12:46.000 That's hilarious, man.

02:12:47.000 Do you think it's a good thing, the USADA testing?

02:12:50.000 Yeah.

02:12:51.000 Good.

02:12:51.000 Keep everybody honest.

02:12:54.000 That Chris Weidman fight, that was one of your most spectacular knockouts.

02:12:57.000 That flying knee.

02:12:58.000 Thank you.

02:13:01.000 That's one thing that's unique about you is your ability to just explode out of nowhere.

02:13:06.000 Like you lull guys to sleep and then you go off.

02:13:10.000 It's me.

02:13:10.000 Yeah, that's your style.

02:13:12.000 It's a unique style, man.

02:13:14.000 To what he was, did you wrestle like that too?

02:13:22.000 That's it, that's it, that's it, you know.

02:13:26.000 It's dependent on my coach, the wrestling coach.

02:13:32.000 But him, when I do something like that, He say, hey!

02:13:41.000 Go! 0.95

02:13:42.000 I am...

02:13:44.000 Attack.

02:13:46.000 Attack, attack.

02:13:48.000 And...

02:13:48.000 That's what I want to do in MMA. The difference is though the wrestling is short of time periods.

02:13:56.000 Yeah, but I told...

02:13:57.000 And no striking.

02:13:58.000 I want to the...

02:14:00.000 the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people who know him especially now that watch him train they know how he fights how is he fighting with percentages of his in the gym

02:14:27.000 and I do thank you He thanks God for everything.

02:14:45.000 He was coming back.

02:14:55.000 In the Whitaker fight, you were coming back. 0.99

02:15:00.000 If you watch the last round, the fourth round, how does he come out in the fifth round?

02:15:10.000 He was preparing himself but he wasn't preparing himself correctly, but I was going to fight.

02:15:27.000 This new trainer really gets him prepared how he should fight.

02:15:31.000 What is different?

02:15:32.000 What is the difference?

02:15:34.000 He was trying to fight at a high pace for five rounds.

02:15:50.000 Because he knows his gas.

02:15:56.000 The people have fought with him.

02:16:03.000 if they want to be honest.

02:16:06.000 And we're not even talking about whether they went or lost.

02:16:14.000 The gas.

02:16:16.000 If it's as easy to get that rhythm going.

02:16:26.000 There's one thing to be out of the fight and there's one thing to be in the fight Let's just wait till June 9th That's when it's going to be?

02:16:42.000 Where is it?

02:16:43.000 Chicago.

02:16:44.000 You're there the night after.

02:16:46.000 You're there June 8th.

02:16:48.000 What is different about your preparation now?

02:16:52.000 The systems of training.

02:17:09.000 The ones that he's utilizing now are going back to his Cuban roots.

02:17:14.000 Why does this guy, this new coach, have better results with older athletes?

02:17:19.000 Because this guy, your friend of Taekwondo, because he has results with athletes that are a little bit more than the young ones.

02:17:30.000 It's not really.

02:17:35.000 Realmente que ha tenido resultado con los atletas más viejos, sino que sabe trabajarlo.

02:17:39.000 Es la metodología.

02:17:42.000 Tú no puedes...

02:17:43.000 It's like a...

02:17:44.000 Look at this.

02:17:46.000 Si tú le preguntas, y creo que él habló algo de eso, If you ask him to train this, he's got a lot of training and experience in his body already.

02:18:03.000 You can't make him do what an 18 year old does.

02:18:09.000 Something specific.

02:18:14.000 And that's what they're working on.

02:18:17.000 On specifics right now. 0.99

02:18:20.000 He doesn't need to run 20 laps around a fucking track, you know? 1.00

02:18:31.000 All that's going to do is fuck him up. 1.00

02:18:34.000 Do you run at all? 0.98

02:18:36.000 How many miles?

02:18:38.000 Sin embargo, now we're running less than before.

02:18:44.000 Now we're running less than before.

02:18:46.000 We're running a certain, a specific way.

02:18:53.000 How much longer do you think you're going to be fighting?

02:19:00.000 you're 41 when do you think you're going to retire?

02:19:07.000 You know when you're training you have a discipline When you have discipline.

02:19:27.000 When you have discipline, you train every day.

02:19:31.000 You train every day.

02:19:32.000 When you train every day, God, it hurts me.

02:19:43.000 And one day you wake up and you're like, God, Jesus, everything hurts.

02:19:47.000 Like, everything hurts.

02:19:51.000 Even my toenails hurt.

02:19:57.000 Aparte que tienes disciplina y entreno todos los días, y aparte que te duele todo, tienes un compromiso.

02:20:04.000 And no matter if you train every day and you're tired and everything's sore, you have a compromise.

02:20:11.000 You've committed to something.

02:20:13.000 Until when is this commitment gonna be for him?

02:20:24.000 He hopes to win the title.

02:20:28.000 Ask him after he wins the title.

02:20:30.000 You know...

02:20:32.000 Because, yeah, he's sore.

02:20:37.000 His body hurts.

02:20:41.000 Training hurts.

02:20:43.000 When you train for real, it hurts.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 21, 2010

JRE MMA Show #17 with Yoel Romero & Joey Diaz

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