The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #171 with Brendan Allen

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00:00:12.000 All right, what's happening, brother?

00:00:14.000 Thanks for having me.

00:00:15.000 My pleasure.

00:00:16.000 So, Jamie, what were you just saying?

00:00:19.000 I stopped you because it sounds so crazy.

00:00:22.000 Trump said there's going to be eight to nine title fights at the White House UFC event, and that they're, I guess, in quotes, withholding title fights right now.

00:00:30.000 There's only eight weight classes.

00:00:32.000 So, how's there going to be nine title fights?

00:00:34.000 A BNB BMF fight.

00:00:35.000 Maybe add a BMF.

00:00:37.000 Maybe you have all the BMF.

00:00:39.000 I guess, but that's kind of a crazy thing.

00:00:41.000 We're going to have 20 title fights.

00:00:43.000 All the title fights it's ever been.

00:00:46.000 Did he say any matchups?

00:00:48.000 He didn't say who, he just said they're going to...

00:00:50.000 I'll see if there's even a tweet about it.

00:00:52.000 I just thought I'm talking about it.

00:00:53.000 It was like a, I don't know, press conference or something.

00:00:56.000 Well, if they don't do John Jones at the White House, I think it'd be a travesty.

00:01:01.000 For sure.

00:01:02.000 They need to do that.

00:01:03.000 Come on.

00:01:03.000 They have to.

00:01:04.000 Dana's like, you can't count on him.

00:01:06.000 You can't fucking count on him.

00:01:07.000 Come on, stop.

00:01:08.000 When he wants to, he's going to make it happen.

00:01:10.000 At the White House, come on.

00:01:12.000 John Jones versus, let's see, what does it say here?

00:01:16.000 Donald Trump predicts eight or nine champion championship fights.

00:01:22.000 Okay.

00:01:24.000 It would literally have to be every weight class fighting for the title, which would be nuts.

00:01:30.000 Everyone's a championship fight.

00:01:32.000 Everyone's a legendary type of fighter.

00:01:34.000 Yeah, he's actually holding back fights right now for six months so he can do it in the 15th of June.

00:01:40.000 Trump continued, seemingly meaning 14th of June.

00:01:45.000 Yeah.

00:01:47.000 Arena's going to be 5,000 or 6,000 seats right in the front door of the White House.

00:01:52.000 100,000 people in the back where they're putting up eight or ten very big screens.

00:01:58.000 What kind of fucking security are they going to have for this?

00:02:00.000 It's going to be insane.

00:02:01.000 Yeah.

00:02:03.000 Are you trying to get on this?

00:02:06.000 I mean, not really.

00:02:07.000 Not really?

00:02:10.000 I can't imagine, like you said, the security, the behind the scenes, how much stuff's really going to happen.

00:02:14.000 I'm just like, a lot of weird pressure, too.

00:02:17.000 Because it's like all the security and the protocols, all that extra shit in your mind before you have to go out there and fight.

00:02:24.000 Yeah, it just seems like a lot, like a lot more than what it needs to be.

00:02:26.000 I'm sure it's going to be cool to watch, you know, kind of like what was that?

00:02:29.000 In the sphere?

00:02:30.000 Yeah, it's kind of cool to watch like that.

00:02:33.000 Also, you're fighting outside.

00:02:35.000 Yes.

00:02:36.000 That's what I like.

00:02:37.000 Put a roof over it?

00:02:37.000 What are they going to do?

00:02:38.000 Like, what happens if it rains?

00:02:40.000 What if it's hot and muggy?

00:02:41.000 That's going to affect people.

00:02:43.000 I've watched them do outside fights in Louisiana.

00:02:45.000 Oh, man.

00:02:46.000 Oh, God, Louisiana is the—you can cut that air.

00:02:49.000 You got to see everyone sliffing and sliding.

00:02:51.000 It's so, that's terrible.

00:02:54.000 Did you ever see that King of the Cage fight that they did where it was raining?

00:02:57.000 I've seen the highlight of it, but I never watched the whole thing.

00:02:59.000 Yeah, it was called King of the Cage, Wet and Wild, and it rained out.

00:03:02.000 This was in the day when we used to have to put on fights at Indian casinos.

00:03:07.000 I'm pretty sure Eddie Bravo was doing the commentary back then.

00:03:10.000 And it rained out.

00:03:13.000 And so they were like, what do you guys want to do?

00:03:15.000 And everybody's like, well, we want to get paid.

00:03:17.000 So I guess we have to fight.

00:03:19.000 So they fought in the fucking rain.

00:03:21.000 I mean, it was crazy.

00:03:23.000 How you do that?

00:03:24.000 I don't remember what the canvas was made out of.

00:03:27.000 It might have been slick.

00:03:28.000 It might have been like a vinyl can.

00:03:31.000 It might not have been like a canvas like the UFC's canvas, which is actual canvas.

00:03:35.000 It might have been like a jiu-jitsu mat type situation.

00:03:38.000 Which it was in Louisiana with the humids.

00:03:40.000 I can't imagine the rain.

00:03:41.000 The rain's going to be crazy.

00:03:43.000 It was pouring down on people.

00:03:44.000 See if you can find some highlights of King of the Cage wet and wild.

00:03:48.000 It's got to be worse than blood on the canvas.

00:03:50.000 Or blood on the vinyl.

00:03:52.000 It has to be.

00:03:52.000 Right.

00:03:53.000 It has to be the worst.

00:03:54.000 It just doesn't stop.

00:03:56.000 How bad are those fucking logos?

00:03:58.000 Do the logos get problematic when they get wet on the camera in the middle, yeah, in the middle of the octagon.

00:04:04.000 Here it is, yeah.

00:04:04.000 I don't know.

00:04:05.000 Look at that, look at that.

00:04:07.000 That is like that.

00:04:08.000 Looks, it's hard to tell what it actually is, but it looks like vinyl.

00:04:12.000 Got rubber shoes on, maybe.

00:04:14.000 Yeah, these guys are fighting with shoes on, which helps a little.

00:04:16.000 You see, this is back when there was like zero rules.

00:04:21.000 My man's a poncho.

00:04:22.000 That's hilarious.

00:04:23.000 Look at these.

00:04:24.000 Oh, these guys are barefoot.

00:04:25.000 Look at these guys sliding around.

00:04:27.000 This is so crazy.

00:04:28.000 That drone punches and slipping.

00:04:30.000 This is like a total, like whinos in the parking lot of a liquor store.

00:04:37.000 Imagine everyone didn't know it was raining.

00:04:39.000 Be like, man, you got rocked like 30 times.

00:04:40.000 No, bro.

00:04:41.000 I didn't get rocked.

00:04:42.000 It was wet.

00:04:43.000 How do you judge?

00:04:43.000 Right.

00:04:44.000 Like, what shots do damage?

00:04:46.000 This is so silly.

00:04:47.000 Oh, look, they got a guy come out here with us a thing to slide the water off the side.

00:04:53.000 Yeah, that's not helping.

00:04:54.000 This is so crazy.

00:04:55.000 They're doing this.

00:04:55.000 Look at the fighters are helping.

00:04:57.000 That is the fighters are moving towels around.

00:05:00.000 That is so ridiculous.

00:05:01.000 You get an extra 30 seconds break if you wipe off the canvas.

00:05:04.000 Yeah, right.

00:05:05.000 That's funny.

00:05:06.000 That's funny.

00:05:07.000 Yeah.

00:05:08.000 So who knows what's going to happen?

00:05:09.000 I guess they'll probably have to have some sort of a roof over it.

00:05:12.000 But what if it's like 98 degrees outside?

00:05:14.000 It's going to be crazy.

00:05:15.000 It's June in Baltimore or in Maryland, rather, and you know, DC.

00:05:20.000 Yeah.

00:05:20.000 Whatever that is.

00:05:21.000 It's like DC is not even a state.

00:05:24.000 DC gets hot.

00:05:26.000 It gets hot in the summer.

00:05:27.000 It's going to be crazy.

00:05:28.000 I always wonder how much behind the scenes work goes into like for the sphere, for example.

00:05:33.000 Because obviously they have everything else down to a science, but maybe redo that.

00:05:36.000 That's going to be crazy.

00:05:38.000 Abu Dhabi.

00:05:39.000 We did a live one outdoor in Abu Dhabi.

00:05:39.000 That's right.

00:05:42.000 I remember that.

00:05:43.000 That was when BJ fought Frankie Edgar.

00:05:46.000 Wow.

00:05:47.000 And Anderson.

00:05:47.000 Yeah.

00:05:49.000 Oh, God.

00:05:52.000 Damien and Maya.

00:05:53.000 Damien Maya.

00:05:54.000 That's right.

00:05:55.000 Oh, that's right.

00:05:56.000 That was like Damien.

00:05:57.000 Anderson and Damien had real beef.

00:05:59.000 And so Anderson was like yelling at him in the first round, trying to kill him in the first round.

00:06:03.000 And then he kind of ran out of gas.

00:06:04.000 And so he just kind of coasted for the remainder of the fight.

00:06:07.000 And Dana was really pissed because he just coasted and won a decision.

00:06:12.000 Just put that back out there.

00:06:14.000 I guess, but that wasn't good, dude.

00:06:16.000 By the way, in Abu Dhabi, they had these bugs that were flying around the size of small birds.

00:06:22.000 It was crazy.

00:06:23.000 I was like, this is because you know, you're in the desert.

00:06:26.000 It's very weird.

00:06:26.000 Yeah.

00:06:27.000 Very weird having an outdoor fight in the desert.

00:06:30.000 It's like mosquitoes in Louisiana, man.

00:06:32.000 They come out of the swamp water, and I don't know what they're doing, but they're huge.

00:06:35.000 Well, back in the day, they used to have fights like that in Vegas.

00:06:38.000 They used to have boxing matches outside.

00:06:40.000 Caesar's Palace used to have them outside.

00:06:43.000 Yeah.

00:06:44.000 See if you can find some of those.

00:06:46.000 I know I want to think like they had some good fights outside.

00:06:51.000 Like some world championship fights that were outside Caesar's Palace.

00:06:56.000 I think it'd be cool to say you did, but I don't think I want to do it at this level.

00:06:59.000 If something does go, you're too close.

00:07:02.000 Brandon Allen, you're knocking at the door, dude.

00:07:05.000 You're right there.

00:07:06.000 You're right there.

00:07:06.000 That's crazy.

00:07:07.000 I just saw Chamaya made a post today saying that he's only going to do one more at 85, and then he's going up.

00:07:13.000 Yeah, my wife's in it.

00:07:13.000 What?

00:07:14.000 He's going to go to 205.

00:07:15.000 That's what he said.

00:07:16.000 That's crazy.

00:07:17.000 She translated it for me.

00:07:18.000 It was in Portuguese.

00:07:19.000 Oh, wow.

00:07:20.000 Look at this.

00:07:21.000 That's Caesar's palace.

00:07:22.000 Dang.

00:07:23.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:07:25.000 I never knew that.

00:07:26.000 Yeah.

00:07:26.000 Never.

00:07:27.000 Wow.

00:07:28.000 They had big fights there, too.

00:07:31.000 Look at how big that is.

00:07:32.000 Oh, my God.

00:07:33.000 That's so crazy.

00:07:34.000 But again, Vegas outside must be so hot.

00:07:38.000 That dry heat is something.

00:07:38.000 Has to be.

00:07:41.000 That's crazy.

00:07:42.000 Imagine being all the way in the back of that thing.

00:07:44.000 You ain't seeing nothing.

00:07:45.000 They don't got no screen up for the TV or nothing.

00:07:47.000 Who was that right there?

00:07:49.000 Who was there?

00:07:49.000 Oh, Tommy Hearns fought there.

00:07:51.000 Roberto Durant.

00:07:52.000 Tommy Hearns and Roberto Durant was outside.

00:07:54.000 Dang.

00:07:54.000 That's crazy.

00:07:56.000 In 1984.

00:07:58.000 Wow.

00:07:59.000 That's way before my time.

00:08:00.000 Yeah, way before.

00:08:02.000 I guess that was, they probably didn't even have an arena back then that could keep those guys in it.

00:08:07.000 I wonder when they started putting arenas in Vegas.

00:08:10.000 That's a good question.

00:08:11.000 It was probably, it probably started for those big boxing matches.

00:08:16.000 Ask Perplexity.

00:08:17.000 Yeah, Ask Perplexity, our sponsor.

00:08:19.000 When did they start putting an arena in Vegas?

00:08:22.000 I'm going to say 90.

00:08:28.000 Because I think Vegas in the beginning was just all about gambling.

00:08:32.000 And if there was a show, it was at a showroom in Vegas.

00:08:36.000 If you went to see Sinatra or something like that, it was probably just a couple thousand people.

00:08:39.000 It probably wasn't that big.

00:08:40.000 It's crazy to see how Vegas is growing.

00:08:43.000 Before my time, I see pictures.

00:08:44.000 But even since I fought amateur worlds in Vegas, I wasn't even old enough to go in the casino, so they had to walk me around in the flamingo, I believe.

00:08:53.000 Oh, that's crazy.

00:08:54.000 You couldn't go in the casino?

00:08:56.000 You couldn't do nothing.

00:08:56.000 If I walked on the floor, they were on me.

00:08:58.000 I'm like, bro, I don't.

00:08:59.000 How old were you?

00:09:00.000 18.

00:09:01.000 Oh, wow.

00:09:02.000 17, 18?

00:09:03.000 No, 18, yeah.

00:09:04.000 18, about turn 19.

00:09:05.000 And man, they were on me.

00:09:07.000 I'm talking about like they must have had a watch on me.

00:09:10.000 I stepped on the floor just to go across to get like a, to the drink machine.

00:09:14.000 Well, there was probably a big concern that if you have underage competitors and that they're wandering around the casino, they could lose their license.

00:09:21.000 Yeah, because we stayed at the link.

00:09:23.000 It was brand new at the time.

00:09:24.000 And then we walked across to Flamingo.

00:09:26.000 We fought there every time until the finals.

00:09:29.000 The finals was in the UFC Expo in the middle of the Expo, which was cool because they had like the Hall of Fame ceremony going on.

00:09:35.000 You were there.

00:09:36.000 I seen you.

00:09:36.000 Yeah.

00:09:37.000 So it was cool.

00:09:37.000 Yeah.

00:09:38.000 But yeah, it's crazy just to see it from there till now, like how much it's growing and change.

00:09:43.000 And it's pretty crazy.

00:09:46.000 When did you first start training?

00:09:47.000 How old were you?

00:09:48.000 13.

00:09:48.000 And what did you start with?

00:09:50.000 Jiu-Jitsu.

00:09:51.000 I didn't even really mean to, to be honest.

00:09:53.000 Like, I was playing football.

00:09:54.000 I love football.

00:09:55.000 And my brother came home because he switched schools and his friend was like, hey, you want to do jiu-jitsu?

00:10:00.000 And we was watching, you know, UFC on the weekends.

00:10:01.000 That was like Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell trilogy, all those guys.

00:10:05.000 So we watched them on the weekends.

00:10:07.000 And he asked, so we went there and looked.

00:10:10.000 And I was still playing football with football season.

00:10:12.000 And my dad's like, you want to try it?

00:10:15.000 I was like, I watched the class and I was like, dad, I want to do it.

00:10:18.000 And he's like, okay, well, you're the trial gi.

00:10:20.000 I was like, dad, I don't want to borrow a gi.

00:10:21.000 Can you buy me one?

00:10:22.000 My parents didn't have much money.

00:10:23.000 My dad was just starting to do okay for himself at that point.

00:10:26.000 He's like, if I buy you this gi, I promise you for the rest of the year, you're coming three times a week at least.

00:10:32.000 I was like, yes, sir.

00:10:34.000 So it started and never looked back.

00:10:36.000 A couple months later, my brother and my dad joined me and we did it all together for a little while.

00:10:40.000 Then my brother found girls and he went his way.

00:10:44.000 So, yeah, it's been a long time.

00:10:46.000 That's derailed a lot of young prospects.

00:10:49.000 It definitely got him.

00:10:51.000 It definitely got him, man.

00:10:52.000 That life took him elsewhere.

00:10:54.000 And I don't know.

00:10:55.000 Luckily, I stayed.

00:10:56.000 He would have been better than me, though.

00:10:57.000 He was a lot tougher.

00:10:58.000 Yeah, but it's a lot.

00:10:59.000 Is he the older brother?

00:11:01.000 It's usually the younger brother that winds up being the real good fighter.

00:11:05.000 Yeah, he's the younger.

00:11:06.000 That's the thing.

00:11:07.000 That's the thing.

00:11:08.000 You learn resilience.

00:11:09.000 You learn how to be the nail.

00:11:11.000 And the older brother oftentimes is too comfortable being the hammer.

00:11:15.000 Yeah, but my dad would put him in his place.

00:11:17.000 So luckily he was used to being in hell a little bit, too.

00:11:21.000 You know, my dad's a big man.

00:11:23.000 So, yeah, man.

00:11:24.000 Life is crazy.

00:11:26.000 So when did you start striking?

00:11:28.000 Well, my dad boxed when he was younger.

00:11:30.000 And his grandfather taught him how to box.

00:11:32.000 And he was like, he did something like one like a golden gloves in the military or something back when they had like the boxing gloves that were made of like horse hair.

00:11:41.000 Oh, wow.

00:11:42.000 Yeah.

00:11:42.000 So he taught my dad to box.

00:11:45.000 And so my dad boxed in high school.

00:11:47.000 So he was kind of teaching me a little stuff here and there growing up.

00:11:50.000 But you know how it is, man.

00:11:50.000 Who listens to their father?

00:11:52.000 Now I look back and I'm like, man, I wish I would have listened more.

00:11:54.000 And I say stuff that he was like, what did I tell you 10 years ago?

00:11:59.000 But I started striking probably like 15, maybe 15 and a half, somewhere around there.

00:12:04.000 But it was all grown men back then, especially like where I came up at.

00:12:07.000 There's no like beginners' classes or anything like that.

00:12:10.000 And these guys are 24, 25, 26.

00:12:13.000 I mean, there's been a couple of times, man, I got hit and I thought my jaw was broken.

00:12:16.000 I started crying.

00:12:17.000 I mean, like, smack.

00:12:18.000 And it was just like, I couldn't open my mouth.

00:12:21.000 And that's the problem with a lot of boxing gyms in particular is that when new guys come in, they just beat them up.

00:12:28.000 Yeah, they did.

00:12:29.000 They beat me up.

00:12:30.000 They don't box you, like spar you rather.

00:12:33.000 They fight you.

00:12:35.000 And they know how to fight and you don't know how to fight.

00:12:37.000 You know, one of my best friends who was with me, like, I started with him was Kurt Haliba.

00:12:42.000 And him and Dustin Poiré were the two biggest where we were from at the time.

00:12:45.000 So I remember Tim Crater reached out to Kurt.

00:12:48.000 Crazy Tim.

00:12:49.000 Yeah.

00:12:50.000 And he was like, hey, why don't y'all come spar?

00:12:52.000 We got Dustin.

00:12:52.000 I think Dustin was just about to go to WEC or he was right around there at that time.

00:12:58.000 So like, let's go.

00:12:59.000 Kurt's like, hey, you want to go?

00:13:00.000 Yeah, let's go.

00:13:01.000 So we go over there for sparring.

00:13:03.000 And I'm sparring this guy, man.

00:13:04.000 He had to be like five foot one.

00:13:08.000 Like, he was tiny, short.

00:13:10.000 And Kurt goes with Dustin.

00:13:12.000 And I'm sitting here trying to watch them go because, I mean, they're throwing.

00:13:16.000 They're fighting.

00:13:17.000 They're not sparring.

00:13:18.000 I'm like, get off me.

00:13:18.000 And this guy's hitting me.

00:13:20.000 Like, trying to watch.

00:13:22.000 And the same day, like, so we sparred like, I don't know, four or five rounds.

00:13:25.000 It was nice.

00:13:26.000 And then, and I'm only like 14, 15 years old at this time.

00:13:30.000 And then it was start on the ground in your guard.

00:13:33.000 And I go with Dustin because everyone said my jiu-jitsu was good.

00:13:36.000 And it was for that time, but I was still just a kid.

00:13:38.000 Dude, he hit me so hard when they said, literally, when they said go, it was like, boom, right in my mouth.

00:13:45.000 And I was like, well, I guess this is what we're doing.

00:13:48.000 I hurried up and grabbed and tried to sweep and all that kind of stuff.

00:13:50.000 But man, I never forget that moment to this day.

00:13:53.000 Like, last time I trained with Dustin, I was like, hey, you remember that time you beat me up?

00:13:57.000 Like, I'm not little no more.

00:13:59.000 You three weight classes above him.

00:14:00.000 Yeah.

00:14:01.000 Yeah.

00:14:02.000 So like, I see all the guys like that.

00:14:04.000 There's one guy in particular.

00:14:05.000 If I see him, I told everyone I'm whooping his ass.

00:14:08.000 You don't want to name him?

00:14:08.000 One guy?

00:14:09.000 His name's Jaymart.

00:14:10.000 Oh, okay.

00:14:11.000 Great guy, nice guy.

00:14:12.000 But training, I never forget the day he hit me so hard and thought my jaw was broke.

00:14:17.000 I'm like, and I was little, like, now I'm a grown man.

00:14:21.000 It is so hard to find like reasonable sparring.

00:14:26.000 It's so hard to find people that are like willing to not hit you full blast and like preserve each other.

00:14:33.000 You know, like, hey, we're all in this together.

00:14:35.000 You help me, I help.

00:14:36.000 And if you can get that, my God, you progress so much faster.

00:14:40.000 Yeah.

00:14:40.000 You're in there just, there's something to be said for going through the fire and understand what it's like to be in a war with guys, but there's something also to be said for like learning how to recover and like having more training sessions and not getting concussions all the time.

00:14:57.000 Yeah, it's like Sean Jordan was the first to tell me that.

00:15:00.000 It was like, he came and trained.

00:15:02.000 And obviously, you know, Sean's huge, super athletic guy, heavyweight, you know.

00:15:07.000 And I'm talking about, I watched him and this other big man.

00:15:10.000 They were sparring and it was literally like touching each other.

00:15:13.000 So I asked him after because everyone else is fighting.

00:15:16.000 And I'm like, man, what?

00:15:17.000 How come you don't spar so hard?

00:15:19.000 He looked at me and started laughing.

00:15:21.000 He's like, running.

00:15:23.000 At this time, I think he was like 270, somewhere around there.

00:15:26.000 And he's like, I'm 270 pounds.

00:15:28.000 I fought some of the biggest guys, like biggest names in the world at the time.

00:15:32.000 He's like, I know how to fight.

00:15:34.000 If I go full blast or he goes full blast, one of us is going to get hurt.

00:15:37.000 And then we're not going to fight anymore.

00:15:38.000 Like, we're not going to make money for our family.

00:15:41.000 So I always took that in.

00:15:42.000 And obviously, I'm not like a huge guy like they were.

00:15:45.000 But it's like, even like when I was training in Florida, I knew when me and Robocop go, we're fighting.

00:15:51.000 Like, I know it.

00:15:53.000 That guy's scary.

00:15:54.000 You know, both you both you guys like, how the fuck are you making 185 pounds?

00:15:58.000 And you're on a smaller side in comparison to him.

00:16:01.000 Yeah, dude, it's my weight cuts way harder than his.

00:16:04.000 Yeah, he walks, dude.

00:16:04.000 Is it?

00:16:05.000 Surprisingly, I asked him before because he has, you know, he has a great physique, right?

00:16:11.000 He's a big guy.

00:16:12.000 When I see him, I'm like, bro, how much you weigh?

00:16:13.000 He's like, oh, like 205.

00:16:15.000 I said, no way.

00:16:16.000 No way.

00:16:17.000 He's like, I'll step on the scale right now.

00:16:18.000 Steps on the scale 206.

00:16:20.000 I was like, no way.

00:16:21.000 I saw him.

00:16:22.000 He got bird bones.

00:16:23.000 That doesn't even make any sense.

00:16:24.000 I have no idea.

00:16:25.000 I thought the same thing.

00:16:26.000 But me, I step on the scale.

00:16:27.000 I mean, right now I'm probably like 225, but I haven't done nothing since I fought.

00:16:30.000 But I stay around 215, 220.

00:16:32.000 And I'm the runt of my family.

00:16:34.000 So like my body wants to get bigger, but I'm like, I got unfinished business here.

00:16:38.000 So yeah.

00:16:40.000 Joe's a big 85er.

00:16:41.000 Joe Peiffer.

00:16:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:43.000 He's huge hardcut.

00:16:45.000 He has a hard cut.

00:16:45.000 He's huge.

00:16:46.000 That's why I'm like when he gets together.

00:16:48.000 How is that guy?

00:16:49.000 How is that guy 185?

00:16:52.000 When I stand next to him, I'm like, how?

00:16:55.000 I can't believe he walks around 205 because that doesn't even make sense.

00:16:55.000 Same.

00:16:58.000 That's what I seen him.

00:16:59.000 Hey, if it's a lie, guys, strike me down now.

00:17:02.000 I think he rigged that scale.

00:17:04.000 Well, we were all using it.

00:17:06.000 He probably has his heels on the ground.

00:17:08.000 I was super surprised.

00:17:09.000 My boy Tuco was with me.

00:17:11.000 We were all in the room.

00:17:12.000 I was like, because I called him out on it.

00:17:13.000 Everyone else wouldn't say him.

00:17:14.000 I was like, nah.

00:17:15.000 Was it after training?

00:17:17.000 After training.

00:17:18.000 And both of you after training.

00:17:18.000 Okay.

00:17:19.000 Yeah, but and it wasn't a hard day.

00:17:21.000 Like that day was not a hard day.

00:17:22.000 Like we weren't like sweating.

00:17:24.000 It wasn't like a five, six pound practice day.

00:17:26.000 It was a pretty chill day.

00:17:26.000 Right.

00:17:28.000 Even if it was, I'd still be surprised.

00:17:29.000 If he was only 211, I'd be surprised.

00:17:31.000 Dude, but I know like when he had other fights, he was a little bit bigger because he wanted to be.

00:17:37.000 I didn't understand, but still, you know, but Joe, I think, well, the Ritter probably has to be the biggest 85 or he's enormous.

00:17:46.000 He was bigger than I expected.

00:17:47.000 And I seen him, but I, like, in the gym, I never went close to him because I rode with him like one time in a quick thing.

00:17:54.000 It was like a minute long.

00:17:55.000 But like, still, I was surprised when we stepped in there, like, we stood up to each other at face-offs.

00:18:00.000 And I was like, I was expecting him to be a little bit bigger.

00:18:02.000 I don't know.

00:18:02.000 Maybe I make everyone bigger in my head.

00:18:04.000 But he was really long.

00:18:06.000 Like, even when we stood next to each other, his hands felt like they touched his knees.

00:18:09.000 I was like, all right, this is going to be interesting.

00:18:12.000 Yeah, I was surprised when I first met him in the UFC when he first came over.

00:18:16.000 I was like, because I saw him fight in one, and I knew he fought it.

00:18:20.000 I believe he fought a 205 and 85 over there, right?

00:18:23.000 Right.

00:18:23.000 And when I saw him, I was like, how the fuck are you making 185 pounds?

00:18:28.000 Like, you look like a light heavyweight.

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00:19:39.000 They were worried about that when he came over because he never made a real true 85 because you know they have the hydration hydration.

00:19:46.000 So he can weigh in at 204 but fully hydrated and they still know how to finesse that.

00:19:51.000 Like, I just learned like how they finesse that.

00:19:53.000 How they finesse that?

00:19:54.000 So they drink a whole bunch of water and then they go, they don't pee.

00:19:57.000 They don't do nothing.

00:19:58.000 They drink that water and then go cut the weight.

00:19:59.000 It stays in their stomach.

00:20:00.000 So when they piss it out, it's clear.

00:20:03.000 It's all good.

00:20:04.000 So they test that hydration.

00:20:06.000 They test that they're hydrated, but they're really not.

00:20:08.000 They already went and sweat out a whole bunch.

00:20:10.000 So they drink it.

00:20:11.000 They just hold it.

00:20:12.000 That's all the guys do it.

00:20:13.000 Some guys mess it up, but that's majority how everyone does it.

00:20:16.000 And so you just drink a whole ton of water and just hold your piss as long as possible.

00:20:21.000 Yeah.

00:20:22.000 They make sure, like, they probably drink like two cups and then they're just going to hold.

00:20:27.000 And then they'll go cut for like an hour, like sweat, And then they say that when they show up to the hydration, I've heard that from like four people that have done it.

00:20:35.000 And they said, yeah, bro, I learned from this guy and I learned from this guy.

00:20:37.000 I was like, wow.

00:20:38.000 Interesting.

00:20:39.000 I knew there had to be some sort of a catch to it.

00:20:41.000 Yeah.

00:20:42.000 And they say it's a lot, it's more unhealthy than like cutting weight over here to like really make the weight because I don't know.

00:20:49.000 I'm not a scientist or a doctor, but my friends that are into all that stuff are like explaining like how it works.

00:20:55.000 And I was like, man, that's crazy.

00:20:57.000 But he was a guy that never made a true 186.

00:21:00.000 So they were worried.

00:21:01.000 And I know, like, I know for a fact he's come in.

00:21:01.000 And then he did.

00:21:04.000 I don't know what he came in on my fight week, but I think the one before that, he came in Monday, I believe, at 210.

00:21:12.000 210 to fight week.

00:21:13.000 So I was like, shit, I come in at 206 and I'm stressing.

00:21:16.000 I'm like, ah, 203 is like my number.

00:21:19.000 Well, I think that contributes to the fact that he gases.

00:21:22.000 Yeah, I just, I think it's just too much of a strain.

00:21:25.000 And he's talked kind of vaguely, not real clearly about problems that he's had with his health.

00:21:32.000 And, you know, I've got to think that has to do with weight cuts.

00:21:36.000 So many guys have kidney problems.

00:21:37.000 For sure, for sure.

00:21:38.000 And it's weird because in the fight with him, like I knew, like in the first round to feel like, obviously, adrenaline is flowing everything.

00:21:47.000 So you're even, everything's intensified, right?

00:21:49.000 So I could feel how tight he was squeezing.

00:21:53.000 I mean, he was squeezing like his legs, everything.

00:21:56.000 He was trying to where I couldn't move.

00:21:58.000 So I just make little adjustments and make him move a little bit.

00:22:00.000 He'd punch very rarely.

00:22:02.000 But I was like, there's impossible.

00:22:04.000 It's impossible for you to keep this up for 25 minutes.

00:22:07.000 It's impossible.

00:22:08.000 I know you're not going to do it.

00:22:09.000 So just bide my time.

00:22:12.000 Plus, I didn't want to gas either because it was short for me.

00:22:14.000 Short notice, five rounds.

00:22:17.000 It was a little worrisome, but I knew he couldn't.

00:22:19.000 I knew he couldn't.

00:22:20.000 And we did a lot of prep for him specifically.

00:22:25.000 And we saw the Russian that he fought in one.

00:22:28.000 And I was like, we had our game plan before we watched it.

00:22:30.000 And then we watched it.

00:22:31.000 It was like, here we go.

00:22:32.000 Yeah.

00:22:33.000 That's why everyone asked me, like, what's going to happen?

00:22:34.000 I'm going to break him.

00:22:36.000 He's tough.

00:22:36.000 He is tough.

00:22:38.000 But, you know, like.

00:22:39.000 Well, if he comes out with that mentality, if he's trying to go full blast 100% in the first round and a five-round fight, like, we right, exactly.

00:22:48.000 Nobody could really do that.

00:22:49.000 Yeah.

00:22:49.000 And like I told the guys, like, because obviously he trains where I was training.

00:22:53.000 And they all know me, you know.

00:22:56.000 So it's like, if you think you're going to come out here and it.

00:22:59.000 And he said in his interviews, like, I'm a front runner.

00:23:02.000 I'm not good long, but I approach a three-round fight differently than I approach a five-round fight.

00:23:06.000 So I was like, all right, we'll see.

00:23:09.000 And it kind of backfired.

00:23:11.000 Well, it was a big win for you.

00:23:12.000 Thank you.

00:23:12.000 Huge win.

00:23:13.000 You look fantastic in that fight.

00:23:14.000 Thank you.

00:23:15.000 You know, it's like there's just so many talented people in the division.

00:23:19.000 It's so hard to stand out.

00:23:21.000 And sometimes, you know, you take a guy like DeRitter who just got done stopping Bo Nickel and there's a lot of momentum on his side.

00:23:28.000 He looks real good.

00:23:29.000 He beat Kevin Holland, submitted him, looks real good.

00:23:33.000 And then you came along and stole that momentum.

00:23:35.000 Yeah, it was weird, to be honest, because when he got there, I was like, I want to fight him.

00:23:39.000 Just because things of like, he fought one of my friends, which now I guess they're best friends.

00:23:43.000 Who was that?

00:23:44.000 Unglan Seng.

00:23:45.000 Okay.

00:23:45.000 He took both his titles from him.

00:23:47.000 Right.

00:23:47.000 So like there was no animosity, but it's like, I want to test my, you're a ground guy.

00:23:52.000 Like I'm a ground guy.

00:23:53.000 Let's let's see.

00:23:55.000 And then it happened.

00:23:56.000 He got there to UFC and I was like, I want to fight him.

00:23:59.000 Like I was obviously, I think at the time I was like 12 ranked somewhere around there.

00:24:04.000 But I was like, let him get one, two, and obviously his name's going to carry him, you know?

00:24:10.000 So that came and I never forget.

00:24:12.000 I was leaving an LSU game.

00:24:16.000 I was in the parking lot.

00:24:18.000 My manager called and I was like, man, can we just get a fight, please?

00:24:22.000 I've been asking for like three months.

00:24:23.000 Like, please, I just want to fight.

00:24:24.000 Cause I'm very like, I get in this mode to where I just want to fight and I'll just keep bugging him, bugging him.

00:24:29.000 I'm like, you want me to call Nick?

00:24:32.000 You want me to call on Eric?

00:24:34.000 And he was like, no, no, no, no.

00:24:35.000 But anyway, so I stayed on him.

00:24:37.000 He called me.

00:24:37.000 I was like, hey, what about DeRitter?

00:24:43.000 He was like, oh, come on, man.

00:24:45.000 He had just fought.

00:24:46.000 I think he beat Gerald.

00:24:47.000 And he was like, I think I can make this happen.

00:24:51.000 He texted me back a couple minutes.

00:24:52.000 Hey, they're good to go.

00:24:53.000 The next day, they called back and they were like, no, they're not going to get the fight.

00:24:56.000 Like, they don't want this fight.

00:24:58.000 It's not the right time.

00:24:59.000 They're like, what about Fluffy?

00:24:59.000 I was like, all right.

00:25:00.000 I was like, I asked for him two months ago.

00:25:02.000 So that's when I ended up fighting Fluffy.

00:25:05.000 And it just so happened he fought the bone nickel, got all that hype.

00:25:09.000 And I don't know, man.

00:25:11.000 Again, I was at an LSU practice and they called me and they were like, hey, my manager called me and he's like, just want you to know Fluffy's out.

00:25:21.000 I threw your name in the hat, but you're not the front runner.

00:25:23.000 It's Paulo Costa.

00:25:25.000 He's the frontrunner.

00:25:26.000 But I'm pushing for you because I just saw Paulo yesterday.

00:25:29.000 I don't know how he's going to make 85 in four weeks.

00:25:32.000 Yeah, he needs a lot of time to make weight.

00:25:34.000 He's another guy.

00:25:35.000 85.

00:25:35.000 Yeah.

00:25:36.000 Do you think that it could ever be possible for guys to just fight without cutting weight?

00:25:41.000 Wouldn't that be, but wouldn't that be better?

00:25:44.000 It would be nice.

00:25:46.000 Just wouldn't it be better, like overall for everybody?

00:25:49.000 I think so.

00:25:49.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:25:50.000 Like, here's the, like, if everybody just was honest about what they actually weigh, you know, like, let's find out what everybody actually weighs when you're in shape, like when you're ready to fight, and make a contract to fight it that weight.

00:26:03.000 Because this whole weight cutting thing is just legalized cheating.

00:26:07.000 It's so hard.

00:26:08.000 And some guys are so good at it.

00:26:09.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:10.000 Like, how about Pereira?

00:26:11.000 Dude, I don't know how he made 85.

00:26:14.000 He would weigh 226 when he would fight for the 185-pound title.

00:26:18.000 Crazy.

00:26:18.000 Doesn't even make any sense.

00:26:20.000 I don't get how you can put on that much weight.

00:26:21.000 The most I ever put on was this last fight.

00:26:23.000 I was 207.

00:26:24.000 Bro, he gained 40-something pounds.

00:26:27.000 I don't get it.

00:26:28.000 40 pounds in a day.

00:26:30.000 Blows my mind.

00:26:31.000 What does that feel like?

00:26:32.000 Like, what does it do to your right?

00:26:34.000 I always wonder that.

00:26:35.000 Because, like, this one was, this was tough for me.

00:26:38.000 One month, full diet.

00:26:39.000 Like, I don't usually have like, you know, a couple cheats and ease into the diet.

00:26:43.000 Like, I'm starting to do now because I'm hoping to fight in March.

00:26:45.000 So I'm already going to start, you know, being cleaner.

00:26:49.000 Are you concerned, though, that you could get another of those last-minute calls?

00:26:52.000 Like, do you think like that?

00:26:54.000 Like, to not get too heavy?

00:26:55.000 Because if somebody calls and says, hey, the big Paramount card, somebody fell out.

00:26:59.000 It's January.

00:27:01.000 Can you fight?

00:27:02.000 I think where I'm at, it would have to be like an interim title or something like that.

00:27:07.000 Outside of that, right now, plus, like the reason I'm so big and I was out, like, I had fractures in my foot, so I had to, you know.

00:27:15.000 Did you have fractures in your foot from the fight or just you had them before the fight?

00:27:19.000 Oh, God.

00:27:20.000 Yeah, which we didn't know.

00:27:21.000 I just knew it hurt.

00:27:22.000 Like, and to be honest with you, like, I had them before the fight before that, but I didn't know.

00:27:27.000 Like, I was just like, man, it hurts.

00:27:29.000 Like, I thought it was just like a muscle.

00:27:30.000 So I just would roll it out, there are gun it.

00:27:32.000 Like, you know, that's what I, that was what I would do.

00:27:35.000 How many fractures?

00:27:36.000 They said they saw three, but they're small.

00:27:39.000 There's like different, like, right where, like, the toe meets the base of your foot.

00:27:44.000 Is it from elbows?

00:27:45.000 I don't know.

00:27:46.000 I don't, it was on my lead foot too.

00:27:48.000 So I was like, I don't even know.

00:27:49.000 Like, I don't teep a lot because I'm scared of like stuff like that.

00:27:52.000 Yeah.

00:27:53.000 Yeah, but I fought with crazy stuff, man.

00:27:55.000 I tore my whole like ACL in half, calves, everything when I fought Paul Craig.

00:28:02.000 Did you really?

00:28:02.000 Yeah, when that niece, that calf slicer in half.

00:28:06.000 It just blew your ACL out.

00:28:07.000 Yes.

00:28:08.000 I didn't know.

00:28:09.000 So in the second round, when I go to throw the punch, I think it was Dominic Cruz.

00:28:13.000 He was like, oh, they clipped each other.

00:28:14.000 And they showed the replay.

00:28:15.000 And he hits my hand.

00:28:16.000 He never hit my face or anything.

00:28:18.000 Ye just buckled.

00:28:19.000 Yeah, it gave.

00:28:20.000 And you can see me reach down to my knee in that moment.

00:28:23.000 Oh, wow.

00:28:24.000 It was crazy.

00:28:25.000 So afterwards, we got that.

00:28:26.000 But I was lucky, like, when it healed it, it fell to the bone.

00:28:31.000 Like, if they attached up here, mine just reattached here.

00:28:34.000 So I just have a little bit more play and it's still attached.

00:28:37.000 Luckily.

00:28:37.000 Really?

00:28:38.000 So you never got surgery?

00:28:38.000 Yeah, that's how it works.

00:28:40.000 I was very lucky.

00:28:40.000 Never.

00:28:42.000 Wow.

00:28:43.000 There's like three different MRIs that show like fine, torn half, rehealed.

00:28:43.000 Insane.

00:28:50.000 So it was a partial tail.

00:28:51.000 No, they told me it was in half.

00:28:52.000 It cut in half and then like fell.

00:28:55.000 And when it fell, I got lucky and it fell on the bone just lower at a lower point.

00:28:58.000 And it healed on the bone.

00:29:00.000 And it fused to the bone itself.

00:29:01.000 What?

00:29:02.000 Yes.

00:29:03.000 How long did it take to do that?

00:29:04.000 I don't know.

00:29:05.000 The doctor said it could.

00:29:06.000 It says it looked like it was torn maybe like a slight tear before and that one finished it.

00:29:10.000 And the last MRI was probably four or five months ago because I had to get it for something else.

00:29:18.000 Fused to the bone perfect.

00:29:19.000 You can see it clear as day.

00:29:20.000 The doctor showed me.

00:29:21.000 I was like, that's pretty cool.

00:29:23.000 Did you get stem cells or anything on it?

00:29:25.000 Yeah, I did.

00:29:25.000 I did do a lot of stem cells like through the UFC and stuff.

00:29:28.000 They sent me that.

00:29:29.000 That probably helped.

00:29:30.000 Did you go out on Tijuana?

00:29:31.000 No, they sent it to my doctor.

00:29:33.000 Oh, they just sent it.

00:29:33.000 Oh, you sent?

00:29:34.000 It was nice.

00:29:35.000 And they just sent a whole bunch.

00:29:36.000 Like, my doctor was like, man, look how much they sent.

00:29:38.000 I was like, I don't know what it's supposed to look like.

00:29:40.000 Fill it up.

00:29:41.000 Yeah, let's go.

00:29:42.000 So we injected that.

00:29:43.000 But yeah, man, I fight with all crazy stuff because it's like, I don't know.

00:29:46.000 I don't know how to pull it.

00:29:47.000 That's the thing that people need to realize that watch nobody fights at 100%.

00:29:51.000 Or very few people.

00:29:52.000 Very, very rarely.

00:29:53.000 And I just don't know how to pull.

00:29:55.000 Like, I've never pulled from one, knock on wood.

00:29:57.000 I haven't pulled on one fight in my career.

00:29:59.000 And I've been pretty messed up.

00:30:01.000 I think my worst was when I fought Emevolve, to be honest.

00:30:03.000 Physically, I was like, as far as how my body was, was pretty good.

00:30:08.000 But I didn't realize how much of a toll because I have a thyroid problem.

00:30:13.000 And I went years without getting it checked.

00:30:15.000 And for like a while, I was feeling like real sluggish, real tired.

00:30:21.000 No sex drive, nothing.

00:30:22.000 Like, I didn't want to get out of bed.

00:30:25.000 And my weight was just steady going up for the first time in my life.

00:30:29.000 At that point, I hit 220.

00:30:30.000 And I was like, what is going on?

00:30:32.000 Like, I'm still training.

00:30:33.000 I'm eating clean.

00:30:35.000 And anyway, I went to a specialist in Florida and they tested everything like T3, T4.

00:30:40.000 And I never had T3 checked ever.

00:30:43.000 And it was like seven times the normal value, whatever that was supposed to be.

00:30:47.000 I have it on a paper, whatever.

00:30:49.000 They gave me that.

00:30:50.000 And they were like, hey, man, I'm going to let you know.

00:30:52.000 I was fighting in three or four weeks in France.

00:30:55.000 And they were like, hey, this is going to take a month and a half, two months to regulate and fully settle out.

00:31:01.000 I was like, I don't got that kind of time.

00:31:02.000 Just give me enough to where my weight will come down because I wasn't losing anything.

00:31:06.000 They're like, it's going to do that.

00:31:08.000 Within a week or two, that's going to happen.

00:31:08.000 Don't worry.

00:31:10.000 I was still pretty tired, but I just kept pushing.

00:31:14.000 We went to London first, stayed there a week because it was cheaper for us than going to France because my friend had family there.

00:31:20.000 Then we went to France.

00:31:22.000 And then I was still feeling tired.

00:31:25.000 That was the first camp in my life.

00:31:27.000 I couldn't do more than two and a half rounds.

00:31:29.000 The whole camp.

00:31:30.000 Really?

00:31:32.000 Bisenger was the only person that I had to train with.

00:31:34.000 Greg was hurt.

00:31:36.000 Other guys were out.

00:31:37.000 So I had Beisenger every day.

00:31:38.000 I paid him to train with me every day whenever I wanted sparring anything.

00:31:43.000 And ask him, I do good for the first round, halfway through the second.

00:31:48.000 After that, I was dead, like dead.

00:31:51.000 And I'm still hitting my runs, my lifts, every training session.

00:31:54.000 Like, I'm doing everything normal.

00:31:57.000 But, man, it was terrible.

00:31:59.000 So the fight comes, and the commission kind of like did super weird stuff.

00:32:06.000 Like, I made weight, and then like, oh, you're getting drug tested.

00:32:08.000 I'm like, okay, no problem.

00:32:10.000 They're like, no, no, no.

00:32:11.000 You're going to get drug tested now.

00:32:12.000 Not the night of the fight like normal.

00:32:14.000 I was like, what?

00:32:15.000 I was like, I literally just cut weight.

00:32:17.000 Like, I don't got a pee.

00:32:18.000 I'm just now drinking fluid.

00:32:20.000 They're like, doesn't matter.

00:32:21.000 You can go to your room.

00:32:22.000 I was like, all right, I'll wait for a couple minutes.

00:32:25.000 I waited for like 10 minutes.

00:32:26.000 I was like, hey, man, I'm just going to go to my room, try to sleep.

00:32:29.000 And they were like, no, we don't have enough people.

00:32:31.000 You need to stay here.

00:32:32.000 I stayed there for two hours.

00:32:33.000 They did, finally I peed, just barely, peed, and they did two vials of blood.

00:32:38.000 And they got mad because they did that one that they put on in press, the gravity one, and they couldn't get enough.

00:32:45.000 And they were like, exactly.

00:32:48.000 Do you think they were fucking with you because you were fighting in France against a French guy?

00:32:51.000 It was me and Moikano.

00:32:52.000 We were the us two and one other person, American.

00:32:55.000 Was that when Moikano was fighting Benoit Saint-Denis?

00:32:57.000 Yes, sir.

00:32:58.000 He bitched about the same thing, but somehow he.

00:33:01.000 We're fucking with you guys.

00:33:02.000 Them two were up sleeping in their room, chilling.

00:33:05.000 Oh, that's true.

00:33:06.000 That is not an excuse.

00:33:07.000 It does not have to be an excuse.

00:33:08.000 That's so dirty.

00:33:10.000 It was frustrating, but that's why I like when I still think Evoval's a cool guy, you know, like he's deserved his title shot.

00:33:16.000 I think he's fully earned it.

00:33:17.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:33:18.000 But I want to fight him again where it's like, I sparred him like a month after that.

00:33:22.000 He was at the gym and I showed up at the gym and we sparred.

00:33:25.000 We had a good time.

00:33:26.000 But I still think he's a nice guy.

00:33:28.000 I think he deserved his spot.

00:33:29.000 But I just want to fight him where everything's equal.

00:33:32.000 And like you said, we're not going to come in 100%.

00:33:34.000 I'm not.

00:33:34.000 He's not.

00:33:35.000 Fine.

00:33:36.000 I don't care if I got a messed up hand, foot, whatever.

00:33:39.000 But just an equal plate.

00:33:41.000 Well, it just sounds like you were compromised.

00:33:43.000 Look, a good example of that was Pyotr Jan in his first fight with Murab.

00:33:47.000 Man, he looked great this week.

00:33:48.000 Fuck.

00:33:49.000 What a masterclass.

00:33:51.000 He looked great.

00:33:51.000 I was so surprised.

00:33:53.000 When you're going to fight a guy like Murab, like, that is the masterclass.

00:33:57.000 He put on a clinic.

00:33:58.000 I didn't, honestly, like, I didn't think he was going to be able to do that for five rounds.

00:34:02.000 I thought he'd have one, maybe, maybe max two.

00:34:04.000 And I thought Murab was just going to do what Murab does.

00:34:06.000 I was so raw.

00:34:07.000 Bro, his training camp must have been hell.

00:34:10.000 Had to.

00:34:10.000 It had to be hell.

00:34:11.000 Had to.

00:34:12.000 I mean, he must have done some.

00:34:14.000 I mean, it looked like it.

00:34:14.000 I saw some videos of it.

00:34:16.000 It looked like he was doing some wild strength and conditioning and plyometrics.

00:34:19.000 And he knew what he was in for.

00:34:21.000 That's the thing.

00:34:21.000 If you're going to fight a guy like Murab, it's like, you know what the mountain is.

00:34:25.000 You ready to climb it?

00:34:26.000 And the first time they fought, apparently he had a fucked up right hand.

00:34:26.000 For sure.

00:34:30.000 That's right.

00:34:30.000 And he couldn't grapple with it and he couldn't throw punches with it.

00:34:33.000 So I rewatched the fight after he said that.

00:34:35.000 I was like, oh, he's barely using it.

00:34:37.000 Like, barely using his right hand.

00:34:38.000 Makes sense, right?

00:34:39.000 Totally makes sense.

00:34:40.000 And then also psychologically, if you only got one hand, everything, now you have to think.

00:34:45.000 You can't really throw combinations.

00:34:47.000 You have to grab.

00:34:48.000 Want to know how tough Uriah Faber is?

00:34:50.000 Uriah Faber, when he fought Mike Brown, he broke both hands.

00:34:54.000 I remember that fight.

00:34:54.000 Both hands.

00:34:55.000 And he was throwing elbows.

00:34:56.000 Both hands.

00:34:57.000 He was one of my favorite fighters.

00:34:59.000 He was a guy that I wanted to be just like, you could ask my dad.

00:35:03.000 He'll laugh to this day.

00:35:04.000 I was like, dad, I don't want to be like, my dad's tall.

00:35:07.000 Everyone's tall.

00:35:08.000 I was like, I don't want to be tall.

00:35:08.000 I want to be like him.

00:35:10.000 He was like, what?

00:35:11.000 Because that was the fight.

00:35:12.000 He was a beast.

00:35:13.000 He was a beast back in the day.

00:35:15.000 You know, by the time he was fighting in the UFC, I kind of think he had had some of his best fights already.

00:35:21.000 Like in the WEC days.

00:35:23.000 Dude, amazing fights.

00:35:24.000 Oh, he was a killer.

00:35:26.000 I still remember the Mike Brown coming out party.

00:35:29.000 Josie Aldo.

00:35:31.000 That's another example of how tough he is.

00:35:33.000 When he fought Josiah, and Josie Aldo killed his leg, dude.

00:35:36.000 Killed his leg.

00:35:38.000 It is the worst after-fight leg I've ever seen in my life.

00:35:42.000 Other than Austin Hubbard, you ever see Austin Hubbard?

00:35:45.000 He got compartment syndrome and had to have his whole leg sliced open from the top to the bottom to alleviate pressure and drain some of the fluids.

00:35:52.000 No way.

00:35:53.000 It's the nastiest injury I've ever seen.

00:35:56.000 Google, excuse me, look up Austin Hubbard images of, I forget the fight.

00:36:03.000 Oh, there it is.

00:36:05.000 Look at his leg.

00:36:06.000 That black thing, that's his leg open.

00:36:08.000 No.

00:36:09.000 Yeah, that's his tissue.

00:36:10.000 Oh, my days.

00:36:12.000 Yeah.

00:36:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:13.000 Look at that.

00:36:14.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:36:15.000 How insane is that?

00:36:16.000 Dude, he trains in Chicago with me.

00:36:18.000 Oh, when I ask him, look at that image.

00:36:20.000 How fucking insane is that image?

00:36:22.000 That's his tissue underneath there, man.

00:36:24.000 Look, you have to, like, mature content.

00:36:24.000 Oh, my God.

00:36:26.000 You have to click a link in Instagram to be able to see it.

00:36:29.000 Holy cow.

00:36:30.000 How nuts is that, man?

00:36:32.000 Dude, that's gnarly.

00:36:33.000 So there's a drain, that tube that you're seeing right there.

00:36:36.000 What that is attached to is that drain that's letting liquid drip out of his leg.

00:36:41.000 So compartment syndrome is so bad that sometimes people, when they don't get it treated, they have to get their leg amputated.

00:36:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:48.000 Really?

00:36:49.000 So that was just from leg kicks from a fight.

00:36:50.000 Just from leg kicks from a fight.

00:36:52.000 I'm trying to remember who he fought.

00:36:55.000 Can we find out who he fought?

00:36:55.000 Jesus.

00:36:58.000 It was a year ago.

00:36:59.000 Oh, more than a year ago.

00:37:01.000 This picture was 325 weeks ago.

00:37:03.000 Yeah, but the fight was more than a year ago.

00:37:06.000 It was quite a while ago.

00:37:08.000 But what?

00:37:09.000 Is it like a big bruise or it says 325 weeks ago?

00:37:14.000 Oh, 300.

00:37:15.000 Yeah, fucking shit.

00:37:16.000 325 weeks ago.

00:37:17.000 Yeah.

00:37:20.000 So it was quite a while ago.

00:37:21.000 But see if you find out who he fought.

00:37:23.000 Boy, it's just like your leg just stays like bruised and swollen.

00:37:27.000 Not just bruised, like your tissue breaks down.

00:37:29.000 It fills up with fluid.

00:37:31.000 Yeah.

00:37:32.000 And then also what happens, I guess, when you get that much damage in your tissue is like your whole body has to process all of that.

00:37:39.000 So it was Kyle Prupolik.

00:37:42.000 I don't remember that.

00:37:42.000 So it was UFC Vancouver.

00:37:45.000 Passed out on an elevator.

00:37:46.000 Had to be rushed to the hospital.

00:37:48.000 That is crazy.

00:37:49.000 I never knew that.

00:37:50.000 Yeah.

00:37:51.000 See him at the gym all the time.

00:37:52.000 He's a nice guy.

00:37:54.000 So they had to cut his leg open to reduce the pressure.

00:37:56.000 So that's what that image is.

00:37:58.000 Damn.

00:37:58.000 Nuts.

00:37:59.000 That is crazy.

00:38:01.000 That was nuts.

00:38:01.000 Yeah.

00:38:02.000 And then Uriah's leg, honestly, in the fight, looked worse than that.

00:38:06.000 I mean, Uriah might have had compartment syndrome and didn't get it drained.

00:38:11.000 Because I know he spent a lot of time in hyperbaric chambers after the fight.

00:38:14.000 I want to try that.

00:38:15.000 It's great.

00:38:16.000 It's really amazing.

00:38:16.000 I want to try that.

00:38:17.000 If you have an aura ring and you go into the hyperbaric chamber, it will tell you that you're recovered more.

00:38:23.000 Really?

00:38:24.000 Yeah, than a normal day.

00:38:25.000 Yeah.

00:38:25.000 Oh, you have a very high level of recovery today.

00:38:28.000 Yeah.

00:38:28.000 I'm going to try that for sure.

00:38:29.000 Oh, it's legit.

00:38:30.000 All my friends have been like, like Jared Gordon got one for one of his fights.

00:38:33.000 He was telling me how different it makes him feel and stuff.

00:38:36.000 Like for me, as far as I go, it's like I just started really using more supplements.

00:38:42.000 I think the deal that Thorne made with UFC really helped me.

00:38:45.000 I started using their, and what really helped is I was always scared to go on creatine because growing up, my dad would get so big and he would like, back in the day, they'd have like all these different things like, oh, if you use too much creatine, it's bad for you, bad for your kidneys or whatever.

00:38:58.000 Turns out all that's bullshit.

00:39:00.000 Exactly.

00:39:00.000 And creatine is fantastic for me.

00:39:01.000 And that's been like the main thing.

00:39:03.000 I can really feel like how different my body recovers, like how more almost energized in a way.

00:39:10.000 You know, I wake up and like when I go to lift and stuff, I feel like way better.

00:39:14.000 So like.

00:39:15.000 What's even great for your mind?

00:39:16.000 Creatine is fantastic just for cognitive support.

00:39:19.000 I need everything for that.

00:39:22.000 I've been getting hit in the head since I was 13 years old.

00:39:25.000 So you know, yeah, it don't, sometimes it don't function properly, you know?

00:39:29.000 I have to, it's funny.

00:39:31.000 Me and my wife were just joking the other day.

00:39:32.000 We were like, I was like, babe, you did that on purpose, don't you?

00:39:34.000 She's like, what?

00:39:35.000 I was like, you try to use memory against me.

00:39:37.000 You'll wait till I forget something.

00:39:38.000 Then you'll be like, oh, remember you said this?

00:39:40.000 And I'm like, I didn't say that.

00:39:42.000 I have to die on that hill because it's like, I don't remember, but I'll tell her that.

00:39:46.000 You know, I'm just like, no, I didn't.

00:39:48.000 I know I didn't.

00:39:49.000 You know, so, but yeah, that was a great relationship that's helped.

00:39:53.000 Like, you know, UFC's done like a lot of like, made a lot of good partnerships.

00:39:56.000 It's helped like the athletes.

00:39:57.000 But for me personally, like the Thorne relationship, Thorn makes great stuff.

00:40:01.000 Yeah, and they're so tested.

00:40:02.000 If you get in a hyperbaric chamber, that'll help your memory as well.

00:40:05.000 Hyperbaric chamber is just good for overall recovery for everything.

00:40:09.000 There was even a study out of Jerusalem that shows it lengthens telomeres.

00:40:12.000 They did this process where they had 60 sessions of 90 minutes over the course of 90 days.

00:40:21.000 So 60 hour and a half sessions over the course of 90 days.

00:40:23.000 And it shows it lengthened people's telomeres.

00:40:25.000 That was really?

00:40:26.000 Yeah, that was equal to a 20-age difference.

00:40:30.000 So, yeah, 20-year age difference.

00:40:32.000 So it's like your telomeres as you get older.

00:40:35.000 That's like one of the clear marks of biological aging is how long your telomeres are.

00:40:41.000 That's good to know.

00:40:42.000 Yeah, it indicates, you know, like as you get older, they shrink.

00:40:45.000 And the only, there's a few things that they've shown that will increase telomeres, but nothing as dramatically that I've ever heard other than the hyperbaric chamber.

00:40:52.000 That was probably the best one I've ever heard of.

00:40:54.000 Yeah.

00:40:55.000 Man, I've been like trying to learn more about recovery because I'm kind of like how old are you now?

00:41:00.000 I'll be 30 in a couple weeks.

00:41:02.000 Yeah, that's when you got to start thinking about it.

00:41:04.000 You're 22, you're just a wild man.

00:41:06.000 You wake up in the morning with rock hard boners, like everything's fine.

00:41:10.000 You just show it to training.

00:41:11.000 You don't even stretch.

00:41:12.000 Now I'm like, wait a minute, guys.

00:41:14.000 Wait a minute.

00:41:15.000 Well, the thing is, even if you're 22, you should stretch.

00:41:17.000 That's just youthful ignorance.

00:41:19.000 God, it's so, there's so many guys that can't.

00:41:21.000 I remember I was talking to, I don't want to say his name because he's a good guy, but he's like a world-class MMA fighter.

00:41:26.000 And I was trying to show him something.

00:41:28.000 We were talking about a guard technique.

00:41:30.000 He's like, I can't, and I'm not flexible.

00:41:32.000 I can't get my leg like that.

00:41:34.000 And they go, what do you mean, not flex?

00:41:36.000 I go, why aren't you flexible?

00:41:37.000 He goes, I'm not, I don't stretch.

00:41:38.000 I go, how do you not stretch?

00:41:40.000 You're a world-class fighter who tries to kick people in the head and you don't stretch.

00:41:45.000 That's so crazy.

00:41:47.000 He's like, it's boring.

00:41:48.000 I'm like, okay.

00:41:50.000 A lot of things are boring.

00:41:52.000 Like that you don't stretch is so crazy because like anytime someone says I'm not flexible, I'm like, how do you know?

00:41:59.000 Right.

00:42:00.000 You know, like you don't know if you're flexible until you start stretching for a long fucking time.

00:42:06.000 You can get flexible.

00:42:06.000 Right.

00:42:08.000 It's like, I don't have any cardio.

00:42:09.000 Well, you can get cardio.

00:42:10.000 That's a choice.

00:42:11.000 Fucking work.

00:42:12.000 Get do cardio and you'll have cardio.

00:42:15.000 This is crazy.

00:42:16.000 I'm not flexible.

00:42:17.000 Yeah, but it's like I never stopped.

00:42:19.000 But I started when I was little.

00:42:20.000 I developed flexibility while my body was still maturing, which is very fortunate because you're not like stiff yet.

00:42:27.000 It's like you can get flexible early.

00:42:29.000 But I'm 58 years old.

00:42:31.000 It's not easy to stay flexible.

00:42:32.000 I just keep fucking stretching.

00:42:34.000 I didn't know you were 50.

00:42:35.000 I'm old as shit, dude.

00:42:36.000 I didn't know that.

00:42:36.000 Yeah, you were younger than I did.

00:42:37.000 You're older than my dad.

00:42:39.000 I'm old, dude.

00:42:40.000 You're in good shape, though.

00:42:40.000 Thank you.

00:42:41.000 I keep up.

00:42:42.000 I'm scared of death.

00:42:43.000 I'm not scared of death.

00:42:44.000 Death is inevitable.

00:42:45.000 What I'm scared of is being feeble, like where you can't do things anymore.

00:42:50.000 You can't go on a hike.

00:42:51.000 You can't use your body.

00:42:53.000 Like, I work out just as hard now as I did when I was 30.

00:42:57.000 I make my wife always worried because I'm like, I don't know.

00:43:01.000 I don't honestly know if I mean it or not.

00:43:02.000 I'm like, I don't want to be 80 years old.

00:43:05.000 Like, for instance, like you can not say things like that around ladies sometimes.

00:43:11.000 They don't like it.

00:43:12.000 She's like, she's like, no, I don't say that.

00:43:14.000 I need you.

00:43:14.000 Like, we're a team and I'm like, babe, look what I do for a living.

00:43:17.000 Look what I've done.

00:43:18.000 Like, my body's not like that.

00:43:20.000 Like, you know, and like, I don't know.

00:43:22.000 Maybe I say that, but then like I get out of working out for like, I haven't worked out in like two months and I'm like, I'm itching like a freaking fiend.

00:43:29.000 I'm like, so when you say I haven't worked out, you don't do anything for two months?

00:43:33.000 I haven't done anything.

00:43:34.000 I went in the gym twice.

00:43:35.000 Really?

00:43:35.000 I went in the gym twice.

00:43:36.000 I did one run and one lift.

00:43:38.000 And then we found out my foot had fractures and they sent me this foot boot.

00:43:42.000 And then the doctor's like, you don't have to wear that, but don't do anything that puts a lot of pressure on your foot.

00:43:46.000 Then I've been traveling.

00:43:47.000 Like at the end of the year, I travel a lot going hunting and stuff.

00:43:50.000 And, you know, like, like your meat eater thing.

00:43:53.000 Like, I love that kind of stuff.

00:43:55.000 So I'm not on that big of a scale and that nice of like animals.

00:43:59.000 I'm just like just a simple whitetail kind of guy.

00:44:02.000 But, you know, I love hunting whitetails.

00:44:04.000 I love it.

00:44:04.000 I got a little property in Illinois.

00:44:06.000 Oh, that's great, man.

00:44:07.000 So I can't believe that you could take a whole couple of months off with nothing.

00:44:11.000 Just don't do nothing.

00:44:12.000 Yeah.

00:44:12.000 Crazy, right?

00:44:13.000 I'm very blessed.

00:44:14.000 Well, it's probably smart.

00:44:16.000 It's probably smart to do.

00:44:17.000 It's good and bad.

00:44:18.000 A few people do that.

00:44:19.000 It's good and bad.

00:44:20.000 So I only do it this much at the end of the year because it's hunting season and holidays and my kids' birthdays.

00:44:26.000 And, you know, kind of my kids' birthdays are right now or back.

00:44:30.000 Well, shit, I guess all the time.

00:44:31.000 They're back to back to back.

00:44:32.000 So it's like, all right, we'll do that.

00:44:35.000 We travel.

00:44:35.000 But it's only end of the year.

00:44:36.000 Usually I'll take a couple weeks off, maybe a month max, depending on my injuries after a fight, but then I'm back at it.

00:44:43.000 But it's hard for me at home.

00:44:44.000 I'm a full-time dad and a full-time husband at home right now.

00:44:48.000 Got so many kids, you know.

00:44:50.000 I'm away for so long.

00:44:51.000 How many kids do you have?

00:44:52.000 I'm about to have five.

00:44:53.000 Wow.

00:44:55.000 Five and you're not even 30 yet.

00:44:57.000 I have two with my ex.

00:44:57.000 Yes, sir.

00:45:00.000 I'm about to have two with my current wife, and she has a son from hers previous.

00:45:04.000 So wow.

00:45:05.000 Yeah.

00:45:06.000 So, and he's 14.

00:45:08.000 My daughter's just turned six and four.

00:45:10.000 My son's about to turn one, and then we'll have another one in about a month and a half.

00:45:13.000 So you got a lot of work to do.

00:45:15.000 Yeah, but it's nice.

00:45:17.000 It's hard right now.

00:45:19.000 You know, kids have schedules.

00:45:20.000 And now, like, my little girls do jiu-jitsu.

00:45:22.000 My stepson was playing football for the first time this year, and he's a basketball player because my wife was a pro basketball player.

00:45:28.000 And so he's always got something going on.

00:45:31.000 But at my new house that I'm working to build, I have like two gyms, full gyms.

00:45:35.000 So I don't have to leave.

00:45:36.000 Oh, that's nice.

00:45:37.000 I can bring people in to train.

00:45:39.000 I have my full cage that I used to have for my promotion.

00:45:42.000 Well, even if you only realize, oh, I only have 40 minutes before I have to leave, but I can get a half hour workout on real quick.

00:45:48.000 And he's really burning out for a half an hour just to keep the machine oiled.

00:45:52.000 Exactly.

00:45:53.000 But you know, the argument about taking time off, it does reset the brain.

00:45:57.000 Like, you know, who used to do that?

00:45:58.000 I know he's not a fighter, but Ronnie Coleman.

00:46:01.000 Ronnie Coleman is crazy as he used to lift when he was Mr. Olympia.

00:46:05.000 And he was one of the heaviest lifters of all time.

00:46:08.000 I mean, he was a freak.

00:46:09.000 He's a freak.

00:46:10.000 Ronnie, when he would get done with Mr. Olympia, he would be like, I'm not doing shit.

00:46:14.000 He wouldn't do anything for like a couple months.

00:46:16.000 Like, no training at all.

00:46:17.000 And they'd be like, nothing at all.

00:46:18.000 He goes, nope, nothing.

00:46:20.000 Yeah.

00:46:20.000 Nothing.

00:46:20.000 He goes, I got to reset.

00:46:22.000 But imagine being so driven that you could train the way that guy trained.

00:46:22.000 Got to reset.

00:46:27.000 And yet so wise that you're like, I get it back.

00:46:32.000 Let me just like, let me just chill.

00:46:34.000 Let me just chill.

00:46:35.000 And it wasn't like it turned him into a lazy person.

00:46:38.000 Like, that's what everyone's afraid of.

00:46:39.000 Oh, I'm going to lose this momentum.

00:46:41.000 I'm doing so good.

00:46:42.000 Everything's going so great.

00:46:43.000 I'm working so hard.

00:46:44.000 I want to keep working hard.

00:46:46.000 Because we've all had, if you live a life, you're going to have ups and you're going to have downs.

00:46:52.000 And like you were going through your thyroid issue, there's going to be times where you don't have a lot of energy.

00:46:56.000 So when you're feeling good, you want to keep going.

00:46:58.000 Right.

00:46:59.000 And this guy gets to Mr. Olympia, but he has the wisdom to go, you know what?

00:47:03.000 I can get that back right now.

00:47:05.000 Let's just not do shit and let this mind recover.

00:47:10.000 Let this stress just go away.

00:47:13.000 Let it slip out of my life.

00:47:14.000 That's what I try, man.

00:47:16.000 I kind of learned, like, because I always have traveled for camp since I was probably three or four and over as a pro or three and one as a pro, three or four fights in as a pro.

00:47:26.000 I was, I was traveling.

00:47:27.000 I was going to Rufus Sport for a long time.

00:47:28.000 I stayed there for a long time.

00:47:30.000 Then I went to Florida for a long time.

00:47:32.000 And now I'm at Chicago.

00:47:34.000 And always.

00:47:35.000 What gym are you on it now?

00:47:37.000 Valley Flow.

00:47:38.000 Oh, okay.

00:47:39.000 Like War Room with Bilal Muhammad.

00:47:40.000 Bilal, yeah.

00:47:42.000 So, and that's been a broad change.

00:47:44.000 He's so good.

00:47:44.000 Yeah, man.

00:47:45.000 Both, the brother, he got a little brother.

00:47:47.000 Oh, really?

00:47:47.000 He's a stud.

00:47:48.000 He's a stud.

00:47:49.000 I believe it if he comes out of that family.

00:47:51.000 Bal Mondays is a beast.

00:47:52.000 He's a stud.

00:47:53.000 The little brother is a stud.

00:47:54.000 He helped me for Marvin's fight, I think.

00:47:58.000 And then Nacho helped me a little bit for this one, this last one.

00:48:01.000 How did you choose going to Chicago?

00:48:03.000 I've known Bilal since Rufus Sport.

00:48:06.000 And obviously, we stayed in contact.

00:48:08.000 You know, when we see each other, it's like we never, you know, haven't seen each other.

00:48:12.000 And he's always told me, like, bro, just come down.

00:48:14.000 Just come check it out.

00:48:14.000 You don't have to stay or nothing.

00:48:15.000 Like, stay at my house, but you don't have to move here or nothing.

00:48:18.000 Just come check it out.

00:48:19.000 So I watched his rise and what he does and his work ethic and his team.

00:48:24.000 And after the fluffy loss, like I just, I kind of sat back, had some conversations with people that are really close to me and explained what was going on with me mentally and where I felt.

00:48:36.000 And Bilal was one of the people I talked to, and he's like, I know what the problem is.

00:48:42.000 And everyone that I talked to, which wasn't a lot, they all said exactly the same thing.

00:48:46.000 So I was like, B, can I come to you?

00:48:48.000 What was the problem?

00:48:48.000 What's the problem?

00:48:49.000 Complacency.

00:48:50.000 I know who I can train with and not go hard.

00:48:53.000 I'm the coach of my own thing.

00:48:54.000 I'm running my whole camp, basically.

00:48:57.000 Oh, you were running your whole camp?

00:48:58.000 Basically, I'd be like Wagner's for jujitsu.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, I'd go to Wagner's for Jiu-Jitsu.

00:49:03.000 I'd be at Kill Cliff, but I'd be in the corner doing my thing because you had the Russian coach over here teaching some crazy stuff that don't make no sense.

00:49:10.000 What do you mean?

00:49:11.000 Like, they'd be teaching some stuff off the wall that would never work.

00:49:14.000 Yeah.

00:49:14.000 Really?

00:49:15.000 But the Russian kids, like, they were in the classes.

00:49:18.000 Like, they got young guys like Ansar, Nikita, like Baisangor.

00:49:24.000 Like, those guys, they were like, come over here, let's do something else.

00:49:24.000 He wasn't even there.

00:49:28.000 Like, they have real MMA knowledge because they fight and they've learned from all the guys from where they're from.

00:49:35.000 So who are these Russian coaches that are turning?

00:49:36.000 It was just one, man.

00:49:39.000 You don't have to say his name.

00:49:40.000 Yeah, he was just, he's not there no more.

00:49:42.000 But he was a legit coach.

00:49:44.000 He never fought.

00:49:45.000 Okay.

00:49:46.000 Did he fight in anything?

00:49:47.000 Kickboxing?

00:49:48.000 Nope.

00:49:49.000 I don't know if he even competed in wrestling, to be honest with you, ever.

00:49:49.000 Nothing.

00:49:52.000 I don't know.

00:49:53.000 Okay.

00:49:53.000 Is he like, does he spar with people?

00:49:55.000 Nope.

00:49:56.000 How old is he?

00:49:58.000 I would say in his 30s, I would say.

00:49:59.000 What?

00:50:00.000 I would say.

00:50:00.000 Yeah, I would guess.

00:50:01.000 And he's a coach?

00:50:03.000 But he's coaching unorthodox stuff?

00:50:05.000 Like, what kind of stuff?

00:50:06.000 Like, stuff against the wall, but it was like, for instance, I don't remember what it was.

00:50:09.000 It was against the wall.

00:50:10.000 I was going with my friend AJ, Aaron Jeffries.

00:50:13.000 And it was some takedown off the wall, right?

00:50:17.000 AJ couldn't get it.

00:50:18.000 I was like, bro, this, and I don't say it out loud because I don't want no problems, you know?

00:50:21.000 Like, I'm going to just go with the flow and mind my business.

00:50:24.000 But, you know, I've been doing it long enough to where it's like he realized this move's probably not going to work for my body type or my game, but I'll try it.

00:50:32.000 And so anyway, he was doing it.

00:50:33.000 And AJ's like, bro, I don't get it.

00:50:34.000 I was like, yeah, because this shit ain't going to work, bro.

00:50:36.000 He was like, what?

00:50:36.000 I was like, it's not going to work.

00:50:38.000 I'm telling you.

00:50:39.000 So he calls the coach over and he was like, oh, can you do?

00:50:44.000 The guy looks at me.

00:50:45.000 He goes, he's telling him.

00:50:47.000 And then he looks at me and goes, stop it.

00:50:50.000 He's like, yeah.

00:50:50.000 Me?

00:50:51.000 I was like, bet.

00:50:53.000 He tries to do it.

00:50:54.000 I literally grab his wrist, grab his head, and throw him.

00:50:57.000 Boom.

00:50:58.000 Is he your size?

00:50:59.000 He's bigger than me.

00:51:00.000 Oh, wow.

00:51:01.000 And so it didn't work.

00:51:01.000 Throw him.

00:51:02.000 No.

00:51:03.000 He's like, let me try one more time.

00:51:04.000 Let's go full speed.

00:51:05.000 I said, shit, that was full speed.

00:51:07.000 Do the exact same thing, but do it the other way now.

00:51:10.000 Throw him again.

00:51:10.000 Boom.

00:51:11.000 AJ looks at me.

00:51:14.000 He says, the coach says something.

00:51:15.000 I was like, then I get agitated, right?

00:51:18.000 Then I'm like, man, that's because this shit ain't going to work.

00:51:20.000 I told y'all, y'all don't listen to me.

00:51:21.000 I just walked off.

00:51:22.000 Oh, that's not good.

00:51:24.000 You know, so I just walk off.

00:51:25.000 And I was like, I ain't thinking about it.

00:51:26.000 How did this guy become a coach there?

00:51:28.000 Sticking around and translating.

00:51:30.000 Oh, no.

00:51:32.000 You know, some.

00:51:33.000 There's those weird guys like that.

00:51:34.000 I'm not saying that this guy's like that, but there are some weird guys like that become parasitic.

00:51:39.000 You know, they're like friends with a guy who's a really good fighter, and then they're always there, and then they want to be a part of the team somehow, and then they start contributing, or they start maybe running conditioning drills or something.

00:51:49.000 You're like, why is this guy running conditioning drills?

00:51:52.000 That's exactly how it went.

00:51:53.000 Oh, that's the way it is.

00:51:54.000 Exactly how it went.

00:51:55.000 Literally, there's weird parasitic relationships in any elite-like thing, whether it's sports.

00:52:01.000 I see it in comedy.

00:52:02.000 There's some comedians that have weird parasitic friends that wind up becoming a producer on their thing.

00:52:08.000 And there's just some guy who just like a Lamprey clinging to the bottom of a shark.

00:52:13.000 It got weird for a little while, especially at the end.

00:52:16.000 It did, like when I was still there with that whole thing, because even some of the other coaches started to catch on.

00:52:22.000 Because at Kill Cliff, you know, sometimes we'd have a lot of guys fighting all over the place.

00:52:26.000 So coaches would be gone and you try to figure that situation out.

00:52:30.000 So he'd step in and try to help.

00:52:31.000 And it just got weird.

00:52:34.000 But like, again, I'm not the kind of person that really causes a conflict.

00:52:37.000 Like, I'd rather just like, if like, just for instance, if you're causing something, like some type of energy with me, I'm going to just move over here and just stay out your way.

00:52:45.000 You know, the world needs more people like you.

00:52:47.000 Well, my younger self would have, I want a conflict.

00:52:50.000 I'm going to try.

00:52:51.000 I'm going to show you.

00:52:52.000 Right, of course.

00:52:53.000 But now as you go wiser, you realize, like, what's the point?

00:52:57.000 Also, you're an elite professional mixed martial arts fighter.

00:53:01.000 You ain't got shit to prove to somebody.

00:53:03.000 That's kind of how I feel now.

00:53:03.000 I see some of these younger kids.

00:53:05.000 I see some of these younger kids now, and I'm just like, I'm going to just stay over here.

00:53:09.000 It gets people hurt.

00:53:10.000 It ruins your life.

00:53:11.000 And that's what it ruins your life.

00:53:13.000 I don't want that to happen because, like, I have kids.

00:53:16.000 I have a wife.

00:53:17.000 I have a good life.

00:53:18.000 I live very nice as far as my lifestyle.

00:53:21.000 I'm here with you right now.

00:53:22.000 Also, it's fucking pointless.

00:53:24.000 I've seen bar fights where there's young guys and they just see an opportunity.

00:53:30.000 They want to prove something.

00:53:31.000 I'm like, I just want to tell them, hey, man, one day you're going to be 35.

00:53:34.000 You're going to be looking back on this day.

00:53:36.000 And maybe it's the day you got stabbed.

00:53:38.000 Maybe it's the day you got shot.

00:53:40.000 Maybe it's the day you got knocked the fuck out.

00:53:42.000 Your head bounced off the concrete and you'll never be the same person again.

00:53:45.000 Yeah, like exactly what you said.

00:53:47.000 It's just not worth it.

00:53:48.000 You know Kevin James, the comedian?

00:53:50.000 Yeah, he's come to the gym.

00:53:51.000 Oh, that's awesome.

00:53:52.000 He trains a lot.

00:53:53.000 Good friend of mine.

00:53:54.000 I've been friends of mine for 30 years.

00:53:56.000 When I first met him, he told me a story of when he was bouncing.

00:54:00.000 When he was bouncing at a bar in Long Island, one of his friends there was a bouncer, and some drunk kid was starting shit, and he knocked this kid out, and the kid fell down and hit his head and died.

00:54:10.000 And he wound up doing time.

00:54:11.000 He went to jail for manslaughter.

00:54:14.000 One of my best friends got stabbed in the face in New Orleans because he didn't even know.

00:54:18.000 He was talking to this dude's chick, and he didn't know.

00:54:20.000 Right.

00:54:21.000 He didn't know.

00:54:22.000 Like, she didn't say nothing.

00:54:23.000 She came up to him.

00:54:24.000 He was just at the bar.

00:54:25.000 Dude came and stabbed him in the face, broke his jaw, stabbed him and ran.

00:54:30.000 He has a nice scar.

00:54:31.000 He's older now, so it's kind of went away, but like through his beard, but wired his jaw shut.

00:54:36.000 He was messed up for a while.

00:54:38.000 He just stopped him in the chair in the face.

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00:55:16.000 And someone trying to stab you in the face is easily trying to stab you in the neck.

00:55:19.000 Exactly.

00:55:19.000 Yeah, you just got lucky.

00:55:20.000 So it's like lucky to hit that jaw and not your fucking carotid artery.

00:55:24.000 Oh my God.

00:55:25.000 I watched a video of these guys in London and they're yelling at each other and squaring off each other back and forth and back and forth.

00:55:32.000 And then finally they get out of it and one guy just pulls out a fucking knife and slices this dude's neck.

00:55:35.000 And this dude is just squirting out of his neck.

00:55:39.000 And he tries to fight for a second.

00:55:41.000 Then he just gets woozy and he's just squirting as he goes down.

00:55:45.000 I don't know what happened.

00:55:47.000 I'm assuming he died because I'm looking at the amount of blood loss.

00:55:49.000 If someone didn't jump on that and compress it.

00:55:52.000 And even if you did, the carotid artery is like such a significant amount of blood that's going through there.

00:55:57.000 Depending on, I guess, the damage.

00:55:59.000 Dude, I think I had, like...

00:56:00.000 So stupid.

00:56:01.000 I've always heard the story.

00:56:03.000 Obviously, you know how stories are, but I've heard from a couple of different people.

00:56:07.000 I have like a great uncle somewhere along the line.

00:56:09.000 He passed away before I was alive.

00:56:11.000 He was in a bar.

00:56:12.000 I know right where the place is.

00:56:14.000 The building's still there to this day.

00:56:16.000 He was in the bar.

00:56:17.000 He was sitting down having some drinks with a friend.

00:56:19.000 I don't know the relationship between him and the guy.

00:56:21.000 The guy walked up behind him, slit his throat.

00:56:24.000 Oh, God.

00:56:25.000 He missed the carotid arteries, both of them, by like not even a quarter of an inch, like not even ate them an inch.

00:56:31.000 He missed both of them.

00:56:32.000 So it was just here.

00:56:33.000 Oh, shit.

00:56:34.000 He chased the guy out, almost beat him to death, and then almost died because he couldn't breathe.

00:56:39.000 Oh, God.

00:56:40.000 But almost beat the guy to death.

00:56:42.000 Almost.

00:56:43.000 Almost died.

00:56:44.000 So two people almost died.

00:56:45.000 Bro, nightclubs are so bad.

00:56:47.000 I've never been a club.

00:56:48.000 I hate like a group of people.

00:56:49.000 I hate it.

00:56:50.000 I get very off-setting.

00:56:51.000 There's too many people on Coke.

00:56:53.000 There's too many people that are stupid.

00:56:54.000 There's too many people that want to like, bro, I fucking see red.

00:56:58.000 And, you know, there's too many dummies.

00:57:00.000 When I was a kid, when I was 21 years old, I was at a bar and I watched this guy hit a guy in the face with a Heineken bottle out of nowhere over nothing.

00:57:09.000 I was standing by the bar and there's these two guys.

00:57:12.000 They were as close as Jamie is to me and they were talking to each other like loud voices, but nothing crazy, like no physical shit.

00:57:20.000 And this guy just takes a Heineken bottle off the bar and smashes it on his face.

00:57:24.000 And there was blood everywhere.

00:57:26.000 This guy was just leaking all over his face.

00:57:29.000 I was like, the guy's face is destroyed for the rest of his life over literally nothing.

00:57:35.000 Literally nothing.

00:57:36.000 It's crazy, man.

00:57:37.000 It's just, there's too many people out there that are fucking stupid, man.

00:57:41.000 And you get sucked into their gravity.

00:57:43.000 You know, you're like the guys that like, they'll be like, if they know who you are, they'll be like, oh, you can fight?

00:57:48.000 I can shoot.

00:57:49.000 I'm like, all right, so can I.

00:57:51.000 Yeah, congratulations, Don.

00:57:52.000 Fight each other or shoot each other.

00:57:53.000 That's my thing.

00:57:54.000 Hi, my name is Brendan.

00:57:55.000 That's my thing now.

00:57:56.000 I'm like, bro, I don't want to fight or shoot you.

00:57:58.000 Just leave me alone and leave my family alone and we're good, bro.

00:58:00.000 I don't want no problems with nobody.

00:58:02.000 Well, the problem is there's too many people out there that haven't proven themselves.

00:58:06.000 They don't have a thing in their life that gives them a challenge all the time where they're proving themselves.

00:58:11.000 So every time they go out, they're trying to prove themselves.

00:58:14.000 Every time they go out, they're trying to puff their chest out and be Billy Badass.

00:58:18.000 And it's so dangerous.

00:58:20.000 And here's where you don't see that.

00:58:22.000 Trained fighters.

00:58:23.000 Dude, I used to bounce a little, like something small.

00:58:26.000 And I needed the money, obviously.

00:58:29.000 And I will never forget, man, this little dude, he had to be like this tall, short and fat.

00:58:36.000 I don't know how tipsy he was.

00:58:38.000 I don't know, right?

00:58:39.000 But all the guys know that I was fighting.

00:58:41.000 I was LFA at the time.

00:58:43.000 And they always told me, hey, man, don't worry about hitting nobody.

00:58:48.000 If someone swings at you, I got you.

00:58:51.000 Or just hit them and say, I did it.

00:58:53.000 And I was like, I'm good, bro.

00:58:54.000 I'm good.

00:58:54.000 I'm just going to do it.

00:58:55.000 So it doesn't get you in trouble.

00:58:56.000 Yeah, they were super cool, right?

00:58:58.000 Who knows if that would have really been how it went?

00:58:59.000 I don't know, you know?

00:59:00.000 But anyway.

00:59:01.000 You really fucked somebody up and there was a lawsuit.

00:59:02.000 I guarantee you they'd have dropped your name.

00:59:04.000 Dude, there was a bartender there.

00:59:06.000 He freaking, I watched it with my own two eyes in the front.

00:59:09.000 This dude and him got into it.

00:59:10.000 The guy slipped because he pushed him and he slipped.

00:59:13.000 It was a little wet.

00:59:14.000 Dude, he soccer kicked him so hard in the face.

00:59:18.000 So hard.

00:59:19.000 I was like, he got arrested for that.

00:59:22.000 Oh, God.

00:59:22.000 You know, but that little kid, he swung at me.

00:59:25.000 And I don't even know if he hit me or hit my hand.

00:59:27.000 He hit something, right?

00:59:28.000 And I'm laughing.

00:59:30.000 I'm laughing.

00:59:31.000 I'm like, I couldn't believe it.

00:59:32.000 Like, he had that cocaine current.

00:59:34.000 He must have.

00:59:35.000 Bro, I'm laughing.

00:59:36.000 I'm literally doing this.

00:59:38.000 And because I was going to stick him with the right, but he was so little.

00:59:41.000 Like, I was like, no way.

00:59:43.000 And how I saw the punch come, I was like, don't do it.

00:59:46.000 There are some people out there that have no idea how to fight and yet they still try to fight.

00:59:50.000 They have no weapon.

00:59:52.000 They don't have a good punch.

00:59:54.000 They don't have a background in wrestling.

00:59:55.000 They don't have a damn thing.

00:59:57.000 And yet they'll still decide they want to fight someone and just hope.

01:00:01.000 In today's day and age, how can you hope that people don't know how to fight?

01:00:05.000 I think if you run into 10 guys, one of them can fight today.

01:00:09.000 It's probably the most in human history in terms other than like Spartan days, most in human history.

01:00:16.000 And even back then, how good was their technique?

01:00:18.000 Exactly.

01:00:18.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:00:19.000 It's crazy.

01:00:20.000 They probably didn't even know about calf kicks.

01:00:24.000 It's like my dad grew up boxing, right?

01:00:26.000 So my dad, he would always tell me, like, growing up, he was a little bitch.

01:00:30.000 He was like, I used to get my ass kicked until he had to move in with his grandfather.

01:00:35.000 His grandfather, World War II vet, shot twice, grew up boxing.

01:00:42.000 Probably the most rugged man that you'll ever meet.

01:00:44.000 I met him once before he passed away.

01:00:47.000 His voice was so gruff, like he's a man's man, you know, like one of those.

01:00:50.000 Doesn't say nothing really.

01:00:52.000 And so he raised my dad and he used to step outside, like kind of mess with him, box.

01:00:59.000 Like he put him in boxing, but he knocked my dad out one time because my dad's like, you know, old man, come on, let's test it.

01:01:04.000 Stepped on his foot and slapped him.

01:01:07.000 And but anyway, so like when he was in high school, dude, he said, my dad said he didn't care about nothing.

01:01:14.000 My dad said he literally watched his smash his finger flat with a hammer.

01:01:17.000 The nerves flew out.

01:01:18.000 Like they were still attached.

01:01:19.000 They flew out.

01:01:20.000 Oh my god.

01:01:21.000 Hit his head on throwing barrels of hay in the loft.

01:01:25.000 Smoked his head on a railroad spike that was in the wood.

01:01:29.000 Cracked his skull.

01:01:30.000 He didn't know till two days later.

01:01:31.000 They said if he would have waited a couple, like 12 more hours, he would have been dead because all the swelling on his brain.

01:01:36.000 He had to cut his brain, his skull off to let the fluid come out.

01:01:39.000 Oh, God.

01:01:40.000 Crazy old, just stubborn old man, you know.

01:01:43.000 That's crazy to do to your grandson, though.

01:01:45.000 Sleeping like that.

01:01:46.000 Dude, he said, my dad said, my dad said, he said, we were messing around.

01:01:50.000 He's like, all right, like, quit messing with me.

01:01:52.000 He always told him that.

01:01:52.000 Leave me alone.

01:01:53.000 He kept on, kept on.

01:01:54.000 He stepped on his foot, and my dad said, quit stepping.

01:01:57.000 He said, that's all he remembers.

01:01:58.000 Oh, old school trick.

01:02:00.000 Slept him.

01:02:00.000 My dad said when he woke up, he had the worst migraine.

01:02:03.000 And he was on the porch drinking a thing of, I think, tea.

01:02:06.000 And he was like, hey, get your ass up and go clean the dog pin.

01:02:10.000 Get to work.

01:02:12.000 Those dudes who came up through World War II were that's a different kind of human being.

01:02:16.000 Yeah, you know, so it's like that's that's just kind of like how my dad was.

01:02:21.000 So like when he got to high school, like he wasn't the kind to go look for trouble, but he was the kind of person like my dad told me as well.

01:02:28.000 Like you stick up for the people that can't stick up for themselves.

01:02:30.000 Yeah.

01:02:31.000 Or if someone fucks with you, like do what you got to do.

01:02:34.000 Just don't.

01:02:35.000 Like nowadays, he's like, don't put your hands, like, don't throw the punch at them first unless they get in arm's reach.

01:02:40.000 Don't ever let someone come.

01:02:40.000 Then you throw a punch first.

01:02:42.000 Like you too, you could just choke somebody.

01:02:43.000 Yeah, now, but it's like hurt him.

01:02:45.000 You could just put them to sleep.

01:02:46.000 And that's more, I'm a good hugger.

01:02:48.000 So it's like, I prefer that.

01:02:50.000 But my dad's like mean, man.

01:02:52.000 Like, he's different.

01:02:54.000 And he, he, like, he was in the military and he boxed when he was overseas for like 75 bucks because he'd send all his money home to us.

01:03:00.000 So it's like, like, I don't know.

01:03:02.000 Like, people are doing things, man.

01:03:05.000 I come from something like different.

01:03:06.000 That's what I feel like when I fight.

01:03:07.000 Like, I'm different.

01:03:08.000 Like, I honestly, I uh, I was telling myself that in the Marvin fight in between rounds, like, going into the third, because my dad and my brother were both there in attendance for the first time.

01:03:17.000 Like, my brother hadn't been in any of my fights since probably my second pro fight because of his injury.

01:03:23.000 And so, like, my, I watched my buddy Costello fight for the PFL belt.

01:03:27.000 And he said after the fight, like he said word for word, he's like, I was raised by a warrior.

01:03:34.000 He raised two warriors.

01:03:35.000 I'm a fucking warrior.

01:03:37.000 And he's like, that's what I told myself.

01:03:39.000 And so that stuck in my head till the fight, like till my fight.

01:03:42.000 So in the third round, like everyone was like, oh, he falls off in the third.

01:03:46.000 And that was something like my corner was, because that was my first time in Chicago.

01:03:49.000 So like Horacio looked at me in between rounds and he was like, hey, let's go.

01:03:53.000 Like let's restart it.

01:03:55.000 He said something else.

01:03:56.000 And I was like, I'm good.

01:03:57.000 Just get out of the way.

01:03:59.000 Like, you know, that's it's kind of one of those moments where it's like, you're living in the moment, but I don't know.

01:04:05.000 Well, I think just having a coach is really important.

01:04:09.000 It's really important, especially having an elite coach, having a coach that's really on top of it, you know?

01:04:14.000 Yeah.

01:04:14.000 I guess a safe Saud, you know, Faraza Hobby, Duke Rufus, having someone who's like really on it, really watching you, really knows what you need, really knows when you need to back off.

01:04:27.000 Because the fact that you did so well and that you were coaching yourself is kind of fucking crazy.

01:04:32.000 Well, when I say I have a coach, I didn't have a main coach.

01:04:37.000 Yes, sir.

01:04:38.000 Exactly.

01:04:38.000 That's the difference.

01:04:39.000 So for people that don't know, okay, if you're listening to this and just interested in MMA, generally there's a striking coach.

01:04:45.000 Usually they have some sort of a Muay Thai or kickboxing background.

01:04:48.000 You generally have wrestling coaches.

01:04:50.000 You generally have jiu-jitsu coaches.

01:04:52.000 And if you're a really good gym, you got one guy who knows how to put it all together.

01:04:57.000 And those are the maestros.

01:05:00.000 Those are the guys who are like conducting the entire orchestra.

01:05:03.000 And they know you.

01:05:05.000 And if a good guy knowing his fighter is like an artist, and I think you can only have a certain amount of people that you're working really closely with because it's a very involved and intensive job.

01:05:15.000 Like Eric Nixick.

01:05:16.000 Like, that's a guy.

01:05:17.000 He gets down into the nitty-gritty of every fucking thing you guys are doing.

01:05:20.000 He's watching you.

01:05:21.000 He knows what you need.

01:05:22.000 He knows what you don't need.

01:05:23.000 You know, it's like, it's also you got a guy who could just say, push it off to him.

01:05:27.000 He knows what to do.

01:05:28.000 He's going to give you game plans in between rounds.

01:05:30.000 Okay, this is working, but we need more of this.

01:05:33.000 He does this all the time.

01:05:35.000 The reason why he's getting away with it is because of that.

01:05:36.000 Get it in your head.

01:05:37.000 Go out there.

01:05:38.000 When I hear guys and the guys losing and they get no technical advice and they start getting, go fuck him up.

01:05:44.000 You got to fuck him up.

01:05:45.000 You got to put hands on him.

01:05:46.000 And I'm like, oh, my God, tell him what to do.

01:05:48.000 He knows how to fight.

01:05:49.000 Get on top.

01:05:51.000 Get on top.

01:05:52.000 Tell him what to do.

01:05:53.000 Stand up.

01:05:54.000 You only have a minute.

01:05:54.000 And I get it.

01:05:55.000 I get it.

01:05:56.000 And I get it.

01:05:57.000 If things are going wrong, I get it.

01:05:57.000 Everybody's panicking.

01:05:59.000 But my God.

01:06:00.000 It's been having a good coach, having like a Ferrasa hobby type dude in your corner who just really understands what you need to do.

01:06:08.000 So fucking important.

01:06:09.000 It's been one of the best changes that I have because I ain't going to lie.

01:06:14.000 I'm not the easiest person to deal with.

01:06:16.000 I like to be very in control of things that I can control.

01:06:20.000 And I know myself.

01:06:22.000 I've done a lot.

01:06:23.000 I've been around a lot.

01:06:25.000 So I know, hey, man, I'm feeling it today.

01:06:28.000 My body's kind of done.

01:06:29.000 No, no, no, no.

01:06:30.000 Go, go, go.

01:06:31.000 100%.

01:06:32.000 Do you monitor all your shit?

01:06:33.000 Do you monitor your resting heart rate?

01:06:35.000 Yeah, now, I don't.

01:06:37.000 Usually I have my whoop on because I used to have the aura, but it like I couldn't train with it.

01:06:41.000 Right.

01:06:42.000 But I just took it off because I was training jiu-jitsu.

01:06:44.000 Aura is a little bit of a problem when you lift weights, too.

01:06:47.000 I pinched my finger so bad.

01:06:47.000 Exactly.

01:06:49.000 Well, have you ever seen sheathing injuries?

01:06:52.000 You ever seen those?

01:06:53.000 Where it rips the skin of your finger off?

01:06:53.000 What is it?

01:06:55.000 The first time I ever saw one, I never saw them in person, but the first time I ever saw one, it was somebody who did jiu-jitsu.

01:07:01.000 And they did jiu-jitsu with a ring on, like a wedding ring, and just fucking mangled their finger.

01:07:07.000 It's called sheathing because it pulls all your skin off the bone like a sheath you would stick to.

01:07:12.000 Yeah, I didn't know that's what it was called.

01:07:13.000 It's like a sheath.

01:07:13.000 That's what it's called.

01:07:14.000 Here's some of these injuries.

01:07:16.000 I thought like that.

01:07:17.000 Bro, look at that.

01:07:19.000 Ew.

01:07:19.000 Dude.

01:07:20.000 The first time I ever seen it was someone in a gi.

01:07:22.000 A gi.

01:07:23.000 It got caught in the gi.

01:07:24.000 Oh my God.

01:07:25.000 Like you said, took the skin off.

01:07:27.000 Yeah, he had the writing ring and he had I think he made the grip on the on the sleeve and when the guy pulled it like took it like caught that like fat that little muscle or whatever right there and ripped his fucking skin off his whole skin I've never seen that dude.

01:07:40.000 It was so nasty, like you said, I was like, oh my god.

01:07:44.000 So now I am 100% sure that I don't wear my wedding ring.

01:07:47.000 That's why it's tattooed on my finger, because when I go to camp I don't, I don't wear a wedding ring.

01:07:51.000 She knows, when I get to camp I take it off, I put it in my truck.

01:07:54.000 When camp is over and I get home from the fight I put it back on.

01:07:57.000 I don't have mine on now because I just came from the gym, but I used to have a silicone one.

01:08:01.000 Well, I not used to.

01:08:02.000 I have a silicone one that I use all the time that I can work out with it.

01:08:06.000 I could do anything with it.

01:08:07.000 Oh, interesting.

01:08:08.000 Yeah, what is that company Ridge?

01:08:10.000 No, that's the wallet company.

01:08:10.000 Is that what it is?

01:08:13.000 Is that what it is?

01:08:14.000 They're making all kinds of stuff, but there's luggage and everything.

01:08:16.000 It's a good one, it's there's, there's um, it looks like an aura ring too, but it's, it's made out of silicone.

01:08:23.000 So even if you catch it on something, it's no big deal.

01:08:24.000 But even that, I forget which.

01:08:27.000 Which coach it was.

01:08:28.000 I forget which coach it's like like an elite jiu-jitsu coach.

01:08:31.000 He goes.

01:08:31.000 I refuse to let a guy even train, with that he goes.

01:08:34.000 I've seen too many injuries, too many injuries where your finger just gets mangled by having that fucking stupid thing on there.

01:08:39.000 That's nasty, that's like groove ring groove, that's it.

01:08:42.000 Yeah, I feel like that with.

01:08:43.000 Those are legit knee injuries and like dislocations.

01:08:47.000 Oh dude, you know what creeps me the most is broken shins.

01:08:50.000 When I see that that shin check, when this the shin snaps like, ah yeah, if there's ever a fight that I think a guy should have pulled out, that didn't and I, if I was his friend, I would have told him, you cannot fight.

01:09:01.000 It's Connor.

01:09:02.000 When he fought Dustin.

01:09:03.000 The second fight with Dustin, excuse me, the third fight with Dustin, when his shin snapped in half.

01:09:08.000 Yeah, you know, they knew that he had some sort of a hairline fracture on his.

01:09:11.000 Really yeah, I never knew that.

01:09:12.000 He already had MRIs and everything.

01:09:14.000 They knew something was really wrong with it.

01:09:15.000 Yeah, screw that.

01:09:16.000 No yeah, and he didn't even it, didn't even like go shin to knee or anything like that.

01:09:22.000 Look like it usually snaps.

01:09:23.000 That's how compromised it was.

01:09:25.000 If you watch that fight, there is one time where uh, Dustin checks it and he checks the kick and he looked at him.

01:09:31.000 He pointed at him, like I know that hurt you bitch.

01:09:34.000 Like he like got in his head.

01:09:35.000 And that was also after Dustin had just ko'd him in the last fight.

01:09:38.000 So this was the third fight yes, and it was weird man, because in the first fight it was like nice guy Connor.

01:09:45.000 It was like nice guy Connor, even after the fight, like after the fight he was being cool.

01:09:50.000 He got ko'd, his leg up with those calf kicks and after the fight he was so respectful.

01:09:55.000 I'm like look, Connor turned a corner.

01:09:56.000 Not the third one, not the third one, bro.

01:09:58.000 You guys in my dms.

01:10:03.000 Oh bro, it's so funny, but it's like I know where Dustin he comes from, like the same vibe that I come from and like same things probably bother him.

01:10:11.000 So when he said that you could see Dustin like, even though he just whooped him, he was like like you know, crazy thing to say while you're lying there with a broken leg.

01:10:18.000 For sure you know the guy could just keep.

01:10:20.000 He took it well, though.

01:10:21.000 Yeah, you know who took it the best that i've seen personally, Tyrone Spong when he, when he snapped his in half.

01:10:26.000 He's just sitting there.

01:10:27.000 We talk about this too.

01:10:28.000 I'm like bro, how'd you sit there?

01:10:30.000 Just like he's like to be honest, I think he said like to be honest.

01:10:35.000 I was a little in shock at first and then I was like, what am I gonna do?

01:10:39.000 Yeah like, what am I gonna do?

01:10:39.000 It is what it is.

01:10:40.000 Like it sucks, that's wise.

01:10:42.000 Yeah, he was a genius, that is.

01:10:43.000 That was uh, against Gokonsaki too.

01:10:46.000 Yeah, that was a kickboxing fight.

01:10:47.000 Yeah, I remember.

01:10:48.000 Rare in a kickboxing fight, isn't it interesting?

01:10:50.000 It's way more common in an MMA fight.

01:10:52.000 I've only seen it a couple of times in kickbox.

01:10:54.000 I've seen it.

01:10:55.000 God thank god, thank.

01:10:56.000 Because of instagram luckily, I get to see every fucking horrific injury that's ever happened i've seen.

01:11:03.000 It seems like I never saw it until one.

01:11:06.000 Who was the first time?

01:11:07.000 Was it Corey Hill?

01:11:09.000 I think it was?

01:11:10.000 Corey Hill was the first guy who broke his and Corey was like a real tall, thin guy.

01:11:15.000 I believe he fought at 145 and he was something crazy like 6'3 at 145.

01:11:20.000 yep was real tall and skinny and who did he fight Jamie will fight.

01:11:27.000 He passed away, right?

01:11:28.000 Yes, he did, unfortunately.

01:11:29.000 He fought Louisiana a good big because I remember when he passed away, they were doing some stuff for him there.

01:11:34.000 So that was also the referee didn't notice it.

01:11:38.000 Dale says Dale H on the thing about precision.

01:11:48.000 Oh, bro, that gets me.

01:11:52.000 So during the fight, the referee didn't notice it, so they kept fighting.

01:11:56.000 And I put my headsets down and I got up and I was screaming.

01:12:01.000 Stop the fight.

01:12:02.000 Stop the fight.

01:12:03.000 The referee didn't notice it.

01:12:06.000 He didn't notice that the guy's leg broke.

01:12:08.000 So they were still scrapping on the ground.

01:12:11.000 I hope that was the end because I did not notice that.

01:12:13.000 His leg is literally in a game.

01:12:15.000 It's just a bad angle.

01:12:16.000 You know, you're in the wrong place at the wrong time.

01:12:18.000 Well, looking at where the referee's standing, there's actually kind of no excuse.

01:12:25.000 There it is.

01:12:26.000 Look, it's lip.

01:12:26.000 Let's see, it falls back.

01:12:28.000 It's broken.

01:12:28.000 His leg's broken.

01:12:33.000 Stop the fight.

01:12:34.000 The fight is all over.

01:12:35.000 Corey Hill.

01:12:36.000 Dang.

01:12:39.000 Dale Hart.

01:12:40.000 You saw it instantly on your monitor.

01:12:41.000 I saw it instantly in the cage.

01:12:44.000 Dang.

01:12:45.000 I wasn't watching the monitor.

01:12:47.000 I don't even think we had monitors back then.

01:12:48.000 I was just about to ask that question.

01:12:50.000 I don't think we had monitors back then.

01:12:51.000 We didn't have monitors for a while.

01:12:52.000 The monitors were my idea.

01:12:54.000 I was like, we have to have monitors.

01:12:54.000 Really?

01:12:55.000 I want to see monitors.

01:12:56.000 I want to see replays.

01:12:57.000 I want to see shit.

01:12:58.000 It was early, early in the UFC.

01:13:00.000 I was like, we need monitors.

01:13:02.000 And also, the judges should get fucking monitors too.

01:13:04.000 Yeah, now it's nice.

01:13:05.000 I'll sit behind you.

01:13:06.000 Actually, now that I'm thinking of that, maybe I'm wrong.

01:13:08.000 Maybe we did have monitors.

01:13:09.000 Maybe I was asking for other things.

01:13:11.000 Because maybe I was asking for monitors for the judges.

01:13:13.000 Like, when do they start having monitors in the UFC?

01:13:15.000 I don't know.

01:13:16.000 But I always try to watch the actual fight.

01:13:19.000 I want to see the actual fight.

01:13:20.000 Yeah.

01:13:21.000 Okay.

01:13:21.000 I mean, I like you get a better view if the cage is there, but I mean, fuck, man, you're five feet away from the best fights on earth.

01:13:28.000 You want to see it, see it.

01:13:29.000 I don't want to be on TV, watching TV.

01:13:31.000 That's crazy.

01:13:32.000 Yeah, you got the best seat in the house.

01:13:33.000 Oh, it's the craziest seat ever.

01:13:35.000 So when do they start doing it?

01:13:36.000 2011.

01:13:38.000 Is that for judges?

01:13:40.000 That was definitely my idea.

01:13:40.000 Yeah.

01:13:42.000 Or, well, there were other people that had that same idea, but I'm like, you need to do this.

01:13:46.000 Because there were some of them that were so bad, some calls that were so bad.

01:13:50.000 It's like, there's no way these guys are seeing everything.

01:13:53.000 You know, if there's a pillar here and a guy lands an elbow and you're judging and you don't see it, like, what do you do?

01:13:58.000 What do you say?

01:13:59.000 That might have been the most pivotal moment in the fight.

01:14:01.000 Like, what are you doing?

01:14:02.000 You have to see it.

01:14:04.000 The judging thing is crazy, man.

01:14:07.000 There's judges that don't even train.

01:14:09.000 They've never trained MMA.

01:14:11.000 They don't have any jiu-jitsu skill.

01:14:13.000 They don't know what's going on.

01:14:14.000 In the middle of a fight once, this lady leaned over to my friend who was also working for one of the commissions and said, what is he doing?

01:14:23.000 No way.

01:14:24.000 It was an Americana.

01:14:26.000 It was a normal move.

01:14:29.000 It was like, what is he doing?

01:14:32.000 That's crazy.

01:14:34.000 It was either Americana or Kimura.

01:14:36.000 I'm not sure if I remember.

01:14:38.000 He's trying to bite him.

01:14:39.000 What?

01:14:39.000 I don't know.

01:14:41.000 But imagine this is a person that's in charge.

01:14:43.000 So the really horrible thing about it, a bad decision, it's not just that you get a loss on your record, but you get half your paycheck, which I think is really fucked up.

01:14:52.000 I think that needs to stop.

01:14:54.000 I think you should have a designated amount that you're fighting for.

01:14:57.000 And if you want to have a stoppage bonus or you want to give someone some sort of a bonus for an excellent performance, that's great.

01:15:05.000 That incentivizes them to try harder to stop somebody.

01:15:08.000 But a bad decision that can cost you half your purse is crazy.

01:15:13.000 It's crazy.

01:15:14.000 You know, I had a.

01:15:17.000 I'm getting older, you know, so I try to have a little bit more wisdom.

01:15:20.000 So after I lost the fluffy, I was like, I went back and watched the fight like six times, and I'm like, I really don't see how I lost on it on a decision.

01:15:31.000 Like, I can see your point if you use this frame of mind, but based on the unified rules at the time, how?

01:15:39.000 So, I, dude, I reached out to like a lot of people that I knew that are like in the high up in commissions, and like I had really deep talks with them about it, like explain my perspective, listen to theirs, the rules.

01:15:50.000 And literally, it came down to it's your interpretation, it's your interpretation of the rules.

01:15:56.000 And it was like it came down to is his effective grappling, even if they're holding, they're still, you know, whatever does it outweigh me almost knocking you out and me putting a cut all the way to your skull on your face and you holding me.

01:16:13.000 Which one outweighs what?

01:16:14.000 That's how I explained it to him.

01:16:15.000 And they were like, Oh, but he just had more time.

01:16:17.000 I said, and look, don't get me wrong, I love Fluffy.

01:16:22.000 I think he's a great human being.

01:16:23.000 I really do.

01:16:24.000 We fought twice already, and he's beat me both times, both decisions, you know.

01:16:24.000 I've known him.

01:16:30.000 And, but I don't think I lost the last one.

01:16:33.000 I still stay, I'll still die on that hill.

01:16:35.000 Well, it was a very good fight, it was a very close fight.

01:16:37.000 I see what you're saying, though.

01:16:39.000 And it was one of the things that we brought up during this past fight with Murab and Pyotr Jan.

01:16:44.000 And I'm like, if you're looking at it in terms of just damage, Pyotr Jan is clearly doing more damage.

01:16:50.000 He's hitting Murab with shots that rock him.

01:16:50.000 Right.

01:16:52.000 He kicks him in the body.

01:16:54.000 He's got him screaming.

01:16:55.000 There was never a moment where Murab did that to Pyotr.

01:16:58.000 Even when he hit him with good shots, Pyotr was firing back.

01:17:01.000 Right.

01:17:02.000 Damage is huge.

01:17:03.000 It's what the sport is really about.

01:17:05.000 The sport is really about either damage or coming really close to putting someone out, like submitting them.

01:17:10.000 And it's just what the sport's about.

01:17:12.000 And when it's just holding, when a guy holds and doesn't do anything with it, it's like that.

01:17:18.000 It's look, it's an effective strategy.

01:17:20.000 And if you're fighting a guy who could fuck you up standing and that's all you could do to survive, I understand.

01:17:25.000 Like, I have no problem with boring fights.

01:17:28.000 And I know the fans like fucking separate them.

01:17:28.000 I really don't.

01:17:32.000 You know, fucking separate them.

01:17:35.000 I have no problem with boring fights because I think if you can let a guy just hold on to you, that is a part of the game.

01:17:42.000 If a guy takes you down and holds you down, I think you should be there.

01:17:42.000 Yeah.

01:17:46.000 A round's only five minutes.

01:17:47.000 I don't believe in stand-ups.

01:17:49.000 And I know that sounds crazy, but even if it's boring as shit, and sometimes I'm happy when they stand people up.

01:17:54.000 I really am.

01:17:54.000 But if it was my rules, if I could make the rules, I'd be like, never stand a person up.

01:17:58.000 Unless there's a violation of the rules.

01:18:00.000 Right.

01:18:00.000 Never stand a person up because it's part of the sport.

01:18:02.000 If it's boring, it's boring.

01:18:04.000 You know, we talked about it after the fight.

01:18:06.000 Like, after the fight, like I went in the back and I was frustrated at myself, really, to be honest.

01:18:12.000 I was super frustrated at myself.

01:18:14.000 Well, first, it was like, I was like, fuck, they just let him fucking hold the whole time.

01:18:18.000 Like, in the third, I literally almost knocked him out.

01:18:20.000 Like, I'm talking shit, right?

01:18:22.000 And Robbie looks at me, Robbie Lawler, and he goes, Should have just got up then.

01:18:27.000 I went, you're right.

01:18:30.000 Yeah.

01:18:30.000 You're right.

01:18:31.000 You're right.

01:18:32.000 That's some Robbie Lawler wisdom right there.

01:18:34.000 And that's, and from there, I was like, all right.

01:18:37.000 Yeah.

01:18:37.000 But then I found out after, like, one of Fluffy's coaches is, he used to be in the commission.

01:18:43.000 Like, so he knows the they explained his pedigree or whatever.

01:18:47.000 And he's very, very, very knowledgeable about what the rules are and all these things.

01:18:52.000 So they he strategizes, I guess, certain things around that.

01:18:57.000 So he strategizes certain things around the rules.

01:18:59.000 Yeah, that's what I heard.

01:19:01.000 That's what they told me.

01:19:02.000 I've met a lot of guys do that.

01:19:03.000 He canceled, like, he was in the commission, like, part of it, like, I guess, work for them.

01:19:06.000 And he's like, he pulled out of working there because he wanted to be for Fluffy more, which is admirable.

01:19:11.000 But like, he didn't want to have like a conflict conscious.

01:19:15.000 So I thought that was pretty cool.

01:19:15.000 Yeah.

01:19:16.000 Like, I will say, like, what Fluffy did really good that I was prepared for like wrestling like crazy, but I wrestle with guys that are like folk-style wrestlers.

01:19:26.000 What he does very well is he don't shoot normal shots.

01:19:32.000 He doesn't shoot like a double or a single.

01:19:34.000 He shoots, like, it looks like it's going to be a double, but he's only at your hips.

01:19:39.000 He's just trying to get your hips.

01:19:41.000 Then he's circling right away if he can, or putting you to the cage and working his sequences from there.

01:19:46.000 But he has very awkward shots.

01:19:48.000 They're so weird.

01:19:49.000 Like, I could see them, and I was like, oh, I'm about to stuff it.

01:19:52.000 But I'm the kind of guy, like, you got to touch me and then I'm going to go.

01:19:54.000 I'm not just going to react.

01:19:56.000 That way you can set it up for something else.

01:19:58.000 But as soon as he touches me, like in the second, he was, I didn't know how, but I watched it back.

01:20:05.000 I went to like catch a whizzer.

01:20:07.000 And next thing you know, my feet came out from under me because we were both circling so hard.

01:20:11.000 I was trying to get the whizzer and he was trying to go to my back.

01:20:14.000 And my feet came out from under me.

01:20:15.000 I just landed like on my shoulder.

01:20:17.000 And I'm like, in the fight, I'm like, what the fuck just happened?

01:20:20.000 There's no way.

01:20:21.000 This is where my head's at.

01:20:22.000 I'm like, no fucking way that he just did this.

01:20:25.000 I'm like, what the fuck just happened?

01:20:27.000 And my corner's yelling at me.

01:20:28.000 His corner's yelling.

01:20:29.000 And I'm still in my head.

01:20:30.000 Like, what the fuck?

01:20:32.000 Like, what just, dude, it took me like probably a minute and a half to like transfer into something else.

01:20:36.000 And then I was like, he's not doing nothing.

01:20:38.000 So I'll just get him the next round, which terrible frame of mindset we've worked on.

01:20:42.000 And then the third, but yeah, man, I was like, still, like, after the fight, I was like, yo, I asked my boy, like, how did he get me down?

01:20:49.000 They're like, he went for a guillotine.

01:20:50.000 I said, I didn't go for no goddamn guillotine until the third.

01:20:53.000 And then I swept him with it and stood back up.

01:20:55.000 I was like, I didn't do that.

01:20:56.000 I swear.

01:20:57.000 But, yeah, man.

01:20:59.000 But like I said, he is a savage.

01:21:02.000 He's a delete.

01:21:04.000 And he also has a crazy gas tank, man.

01:21:07.000 He melts guys.

01:21:08.000 That guy melts guys.

01:21:09.000 The Deleteze thing where he grabbed his neck and just like a bouncer at a nightclub, just dragged him back to finish him.

01:21:15.000 That was crazy.

01:21:16.000 Yeah, man.

01:21:18.000 That's one thing I wish I would have gave, like, put more output.

01:21:21.000 Like, because I wasn't, everyone's like, you're tired.

01:21:22.000 I was like, bro, I was having a full conversation like this in between rounds right after the fight.

01:21:26.000 I wasn't tired.

01:21:27.000 I was just complacent.

01:21:28.000 Like, I was like, oh, like, I'm already going to.

01:21:30.000 Because I beat Malcoon like that because all he did was hold.

01:21:32.000 Literally just held.

01:21:34.000 And I'm hitting him.

01:21:34.000 Bang, bang, bang.

01:21:36.000 How am I supposed to improve my position?

01:21:38.000 You're literally just holding.

01:21:39.000 You're not even moving at all.

01:21:40.000 You're not lifting your weight.

01:21:41.000 You're not doing nothing.

01:21:42.000 So I won that fight because I did more damage and I had fight ending intentions.

01:21:46.000 I felt I had that with Fluffy.

01:21:48.000 So in the third, I was like, I'm elbowing him and he's gushing blood.

01:21:52.000 And I'm looking at the ref.

01:21:53.000 I'm like, yo, he's just holding.

01:21:54.000 I try to get up.

01:21:55.000 He's just, he just picks my ankle and I go back down.

01:21:57.000 I elbow him some more, try to get back up.

01:21:59.000 He got on top for like a minute, but he didn't do nothing really.

01:22:03.000 Anyway, that's where my frame of mindset was at.

01:22:05.000 And it was just terrible, you know, looking back.

01:22:06.000 But I would love a third, you know?

01:22:09.000 Well, it'll probably happen.

01:22:10.000 It'll probably happen somewhere down the line because it'll be a great fight.

01:22:13.000 Yeah, that's where, well, that's where the kind of the holdup is, I guess, right now.

01:22:17.000 Obviously, you know how politics work in this game, but it's like the top five is the champion, Drickus, champion, Drickus, Imovolve, Sean Strickland, Fluffy, me.

01:22:30.000 And it's like, all right, Sean, they just announced Sean and Fluffy.

01:22:35.000 Imavolve.

01:22:36.000 Yep, that's cool.

01:22:37.000 And then Imovolve's waiting.

01:22:39.000 They both said they're going to wait for that one.

01:22:42.000 So it's just me and Drickus.

01:22:43.000 And then right behind me is Izzy.

01:22:45.000 Who knows when Izzy's going to fight or if he's going to fight or what?

01:22:48.000 So it's like, waiting on Drickus, and Drickus always has a lot to say when I'm losing, but when I'm winning, he don't really have enough to say.

01:22:54.000 And then I just saw an interview the other day, and it was like, he was like, yeah, I'd love to beat his head in or something.

01:23:02.000 About you?

01:23:02.000 Yeah, about me.

01:23:03.000 And I'm like, well, you have the opportunity to do so.

01:23:06.000 And it only makes sense unless you want to wait forever.

01:23:10.000 I wonder what he does after that Hamza fight.

01:23:15.000 Because when a guy dominates you like that, where it's so clear, it's just like one of those gaps that it looks like, oh, you're never going to bridge that gap.

01:23:24.000 That grappling gap.

01:23:25.000 And it's never going to.

01:23:26.000 I don't know if you agree, but that should never happen at that level.

01:23:32.000 It never does happen at that level.

01:23:34.000 That's the reality.

01:23:34.000 Except Islam and Jack Delamattalena.

01:23:37.000 That's another similar situation.

01:23:38.000 Yeah.

01:23:38.000 Very similar situation.

01:23:40.000 But I think there's guys that you get in there with.

01:23:44.000 And, you know, if you're used to a like B caliber guy or, you know, a high, high-level guy.

01:23:51.000 Right.

01:23:51.000 But there's, there's only a few real A's.

01:23:53.000 And like, Hamzad is a real A.

01:23:55.000 Yeah.

01:23:56.000 He's good at.

01:23:56.000 He's a savage.

01:23:57.000 I talked to DC about him, and DC said, dude, when that guy grabbed me and he goes, we were wearing street clothes and everything like that.

01:24:03.000 He goes, I realized like, oh, I'm going to have to wrestle, wrestle to keep this guy off me.

01:24:07.000 He goes, he's fucking strong.

01:24:11.000 Yeah.

01:24:12.000 And it's also because, first of all, how the fuck did that guy make 170?

01:24:16.000 I don't know, but I don't understand how he talks about going up to 205.

01:24:19.000 Because like you said, you got guys like Pereira.

01:24:21.000 And don't get me wrong.

01:24:22.000 I know they're stylistically different, but he could do it.

01:24:25.000 I think he can do it.

01:24:26.000 I think he could do it if he takes the time and puts weight on.

01:24:29.000 Yeah, if he puts weight on, I think he has a high chance.

01:24:31.000 Because he's tall.

01:24:32.000 And it's also, the thing is, it's like these gaps in wrestling, these gaps in grappling.

01:24:37.000 When a guy's a really good grappler and then you're taking on a guy like Dricus, he's really a striker.

01:24:42.000 Right.

01:24:43.000 He's a good grappler, a good jiu-jitsu guy.

01:24:45.000 But there's levels, you know?

01:24:47.000 And the kind of guy like Hamza, like, man, you got to be a fucking Olympic calibrate wrestler to scrap with that guy.

01:24:53.000 Yeah, and it's like, I tell people, like, I'm not going to go out there and straight beat Chimayev in pure wrestling.

01:24:58.000 Like, it's not going to happen.

01:24:59.000 I'm not stupid.

01:25:00.000 I'm not stupid, but it's MMA.

01:25:02.000 Could I take him down?

01:25:03.000 I mean, yeah, I could.

01:25:05.000 But there's other ways to approach the fight that I think I have the upper hand.

01:25:09.000 Like, you see how other people have approached him and done well with him.

01:25:14.000 But it's like.

01:25:15.000 You also have very good submissions, too.

01:25:18.000 You have a real solid jiu-jitsu game and you could strike.

01:25:21.000 You know, you've got a very complete package.

01:25:24.000 And I think, you know, the thing about his grappling is that you have that hole.

01:25:28.000 If you have that hole, he's going to find that hole and he's going to smother you.

01:25:31.000 For sure.

01:25:33.000 That's what freaks.

01:25:34.000 That's what makes no sense to me with the Drickus fight, right?

01:25:37.000 Like, you're the champion of the world.

01:25:40.000 He took you down.

01:25:41.000 No problem, man.

01:25:42.000 I totally understand.

01:25:43.000 I get taken down a lot, you know?

01:25:46.000 But I mean, I know our styles are different, but you didn't try to hip bump.

01:25:52.000 You didn't try to hip escape.

01:25:53.000 You didn't try to scoop the leg and lift and elevate.

01:25:55.000 You didn't try to do nothing.

01:25:58.000 He didn't literally, he didn't try to do nothing.

01:26:00.000 He literally waited for him to establish his position.

01:26:03.000 He'd roll side to side, maybe one hip bump around.

01:26:07.000 When he did, Shamayev did great, knee sliced or just stepped over, passed, and went crucifix.

01:26:12.000 Do you, how many times did you put in the crucifix, by the way?

01:26:15.000 That was crazy.

01:26:16.000 It was crazy.

01:26:17.000 I only had to be like once around because he wasn't getting out.

01:26:19.000 It was, I mean, how many times did you put him in a crucifix?

01:26:22.000 In a world championship fight, has there ever been a fight where a champion has been put in a crucifix that many times?

01:26:29.000 Insane.

01:26:29.000 It was over and over and over again.

01:26:31.000 We were like, how is he doing this again?

01:26:33.000 This is so crazy.

01:26:34.000 And that kind of blew my mind.

01:26:36.000 So that's why it's like.

01:26:37.000 I just think Chimaev's gap is just so good.

01:26:40.000 And I think also with a guy like Drickus, and you would be the guy to speak to this.

01:26:44.000 When you're down and you realize, okay, it's the first round.

01:26:47.000 He's taking me down.

01:26:48.000 He's on top of me.

01:26:48.000 Let me just conserve my energy.

01:26:50.000 There's a five-round world championship fight.

01:26:52.000 I'm going to knock this motherfucker out.

01:26:53.000 He's going to get tired doing this.

01:26:54.000 He always gets tired.

01:26:55.000 But you know the difference with Hamza in this fight is he trained with Sam Calavita.

01:27:01.000 Do you know that guy?

01:27:02.000 Okay.

01:27:02.000 I just heard he hired someone good.

01:27:04.000 Yeah.

01:27:05.000 Cala Vita is a real elite strength and conditioning coach and legendary guy.

01:27:10.000 And he runs this, it's called, he just calls it the garage.

01:27:14.000 Okay.

01:27:14.000 It's in Orange County, California, and it's just a fucking garage and not even a big one.

01:27:18.000 Just a small two-car garage with no cars in it.

01:27:22.000 And it's all just machines and equipment.

01:27:24.000 He's got Armand Soruki in training down there.

01:27:26.000 TJ Dillishaw, when he was in his prime, he was training down there.

01:27:29.000 The reason why TJ's conditioning was at such a fucking high level when he was in his prime was he was training with that guy.

01:27:36.000 He has everybody that I know that's trained with him is like, bro, this guy puts you through fucking hell.

01:27:42.000 Hell.

01:27:43.000 This is that's TJ when he's training there.

01:27:46.000 And again, this is like, if you see, there's Sam.

01:27:48.000 If you see it, like, and when you listen to the guy talk, just extremely fucking knowledgeable.

01:27:54.000 But he gets you to the point.

01:27:56.000 It's called the train.

01:27:57.000 It's, if you look at it online, training lab on Instagram, T-R-E-I-G-N lab, Ing lab, training, but training is T-R-E-I-G-N, like train M-M-A.

01:28:10.000 Yeah, I would know that name, the training lab, because I was like, man, that's it.

01:28:14.000 So you see Aaron Pico's there with him.

01:28:15.000 There's Hamzat.

01:28:17.000 So, I mean, he's got so many elite guys that are training inside of that gym.

01:28:23.000 Does one enchiletta?

01:28:24.000 I wonder how they work that in.

01:28:26.000 Obviously, they have their coaches and stuff dealing with it, but like how they operate.

01:28:30.000 Well, the issue with Hamzat was overtraining.

01:28:35.000 So one of the things about Hamzat is he's apparently, you can't kick him out of the fucking gym.

01:28:41.000 He won't stop training.

01:28:42.000 And you got to literally stop him from training.

01:28:47.000 He's a maniac.

01:28:48.000 And when he got COVID, that's what really fucked him up.

01:28:50.000 So he got COVID and you would think, whoa, healthy guy like that who gets COVID, that ain't going to be shit for him.

01:28:57.000 This silly motherfucker was training like an animal, two-hour sessions with COVID.

01:29:02.000 So then, you know, he's never getting better.

01:29:05.000 So instead of like saying, hey, this cold is not getting better, it's like, don't be pussy.

01:29:09.000 I kill everyone.

01:29:10.000 He shows up again, training again, two and a half hours, sick as a fucking dog, coughing.

01:29:15.000 And then he broke his immune system down to a point where they had to fucking hospitalize him.

01:29:19.000 Yeah, I remember him just from training while he had COVID.

01:29:23.000 That's all it was.

01:29:24.000 He just refused to stop training.

01:29:26.000 And look, if you, I don't care what it is, the flu, whatever you have, you're trying to train two and a half hour days when you have a serious lung infection, you're going to fucking die.

01:29:35.000 There's DC.

01:29:36.000 And DC told me he did one session with him.

01:29:38.000 This is recent.

01:29:39.000 He's on the bike.

01:29:40.000 Resistance.

01:29:40.000 What's that?

01:29:41.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:42.000 He uses elastic bands along with a fucking rogue echo bike.

01:29:47.000 Yeah, so those rogue echo bikes, they suck enough.

01:29:50.000 And to have resistance bands while you're doing it too.

01:29:53.000 That's crazy.

01:29:54.000 Yeah.

01:29:55.000 Now, Sam's an animal.

01:29:56.000 And again, super knowledgeable.

01:29:59.000 Like, knows like what your recovery should be, where your resting heart rate should be.

01:30:04.000 And also super knowledgeable in terms of like supplements, diet, and all that stuff.

01:30:08.000 He comes from the endurance cycling world, which is like, so cycling, you would imagine, like Tour de France style cycling.

01:30:17.000 This is probably the most endurance-dependent sport on planet Earth because it goes for so long.

01:30:23.000 Like you have to be, you have to really understand how to peak in order to compete at a real insane endurance event like that.

01:30:31.000 So he's got this knowledge from that sport that he's transferred over to MMA.

01:30:35.000 But everybody I know that's trained with him has said, like, man, it just changed everything.

01:30:38.000 Changed my whole game because now all of a sudden you've got an incredible gas tank.

01:30:42.000 Yeah, he's doing good.

01:30:43.000 Shamai, like I said, he looked good.

01:30:45.000 I think that was a factor, though, in that fight because there's no fade in that fight where you saw like the Usman fight.

01:30:50.000 There was a fade in the third round.

01:30:51.000 Usman won that fucking third round.

01:30:53.000 And after that third round, he was like, fuck, I wish this was a five-round fight.

01:30:57.000 Yeah, but it's like, also, like, Usman made him have output.

01:31:00.000 Yeah.

01:31:01.000 He didn't really have to.

01:31:02.000 He had one explosion to take him down.

01:31:04.000 But Usman can fucking wrestle.

01:31:06.000 That's the difference.

01:31:08.000 Like he was in there with a guy who's real strong, even though he's a weight class below him.

01:31:11.000 Like it was Usman that had been competing at 170, and Hamzad had already committed to 85.

01:31:16.000 He's a bigger guy.

01:31:17.000 But Usman can really wrestle, and that's the difference.

01:31:20.000 It's not like a guy that doesn't know what to do, and you take him down, you ragdom.

01:31:24.000 Usman's like, okay, you got me down, but this is a long-ass fight, and I'm going to get back up, and we're going to figure this out.

01:31:30.000 And in the third round, he was figuring it out, and he started tuning him up.

01:31:34.000 He was landing good shots.

01:31:35.000 Yeah, I have a friend that trained with Tremayev.

01:31:38.000 He goes and helps.

01:31:39.000 And he's told me, he's like, man, his wrestling's really good.

01:31:42.000 I was like, how good?

01:31:43.000 He was like, it's good.

01:31:46.000 I was like, he whoop you?

01:31:47.000 He was like, no, if you whoop me, why would they bring me in if he whoops me?

01:31:52.000 I was like, touche, good one.

01:31:55.000 But, you know, he is.

01:31:56.000 But you still got to watch that.

01:31:57.000 You got to watch to see what does he consider whoop.

01:31:59.000 Yeah.

01:32:00.000 Let me watch.

01:32:01.000 Show me the video.

01:32:02.000 Let me see it.

01:32:03.000 Yeah.

01:32:03.000 Let me see what they got.

01:32:04.000 Let me go in the room.

01:32:05.000 I want to see in the room.

01:32:06.000 But I like his demeanor too.

01:32:08.000 Like the conversation he had with Ian Gary.

01:32:11.000 Like, he's similar to me.

01:32:13.000 Like.

01:32:14.000 Well, I don't understand that because I had heard there's another angle that shows that Ian like slapped him on the back pretty hard.

01:32:20.000 Yeah.

01:32:21.000 Oh, he did.

01:32:22.000 Yeah, but Ian's that guy.

01:32:23.000 He's like, he's trying to get a rise out of you.

01:32:26.000 That way, when you do get a rise, he's like, like a big brother, you know, like nitpicking.

01:32:30.000 He's that guy.

01:32:31.000 He wants you to get a rise out of you so then he could be like, what are you doing?

01:32:35.000 I didn't mean that.

01:32:36.000 He's like, that's why I don't really like.

01:32:38.000 That's why I don't like Ian at all.

01:32:40.000 That's because he's.

01:32:41.000 You guys are in the same gym for a while.

01:32:43.000 Yeah.

01:32:44.000 But like, I don't know.

01:32:46.000 Like, I know like other things and like things that happened.

01:32:49.000 He's just that guy.

01:32:50.000 Like, he's talked shit to me through another person.

01:32:53.000 Like, we're at a, me and my boy at a fight, and he's talking shit to me through his phone.

01:32:57.000 But, bro, shut up.

01:32:58.000 Take your, stop letting your wife tell you what to do, bro.

01:33:01.000 Shut up, you know?

01:33:02.000 But, like, yeah, he, he walks over there and he says something, dude, he hits him hard on the back.

01:33:06.000 And Chamaev just looks at him.

01:33:09.000 And then he did what he did back or whatever and shoved him, whatever the case, however that you saw the confrontation from there.

01:33:16.000 But yeah, he did.

01:33:17.000 He hit him.

01:33:17.000 And he told him.

01:33:18.000 He was like, you hit me.

01:33:20.000 I'm going to fuck you up.

01:33:21.000 Like, if you hit me like that again, he tried to like big brother him.

01:33:25.000 Because the clip that everybody saw was after he slapped him on the back.

01:33:29.000 It looked like Chamaev just got really aggressive with it for no reason.

01:33:31.000 There you go.

01:33:32.000 This is the other angle.

01:33:34.000 Like, keeps hitting him.

01:33:36.000 Then shakes him as he walks away.

01:33:37.000 Yeah.

01:33:39.000 And then he's talking a little shit.

01:33:41.000 Yeah.

01:33:41.000 Oh, we're fine.

01:33:42.000 He's not going to do nothing.

01:33:43.000 So it's a little weirdly aggressive.

01:33:44.000 It ain't that.

01:33:45.000 It's passive aggressive.

01:33:46.000 It's a little weird.

01:33:47.000 He taps him.

01:33:49.000 It was like a little, like, grab his clothes and shove him a little bit.

01:33:53.000 It wasn't like a guy that says, hey, brother.

01:33:53.000 Yeah.

01:33:55.000 Exactly.

01:33:55.000 All right.

01:33:56.000 He's like, good luck to you.

01:33:56.000 And that's what he said.

01:33:58.000 I have to give it to him.

01:33:58.000 Like, some things Chemia says are like, he fought my boy G and he talked shit to him in the hallway.

01:34:04.000 I didn't really like that.

01:34:05.000 But hey, y'all two are going to fight.

01:34:06.000 Y'all are grown men.

01:34:07.000 Do what y'all want.

01:34:08.000 Some things he might say or do, I don't like.

01:34:10.000 But hey, as long as it's not to me, we're good.

01:34:10.000 I would agree with.

01:34:12.000 But that, like, and other things he does, I fully agree with.

01:34:16.000 As a man, I stand behind him.

01:34:16.000 I stand behind.

01:34:18.000 One of the things I like about Chemayev, like after he fought Gilbert, Gilbert and him went to war, and then he was like, You're my brother now.

01:34:24.000 You know, you know what I mean?

01:34:25.000 It's like he was really cool with them.

01:34:26.000 Yeah, you know, there's a young kid, Ansar, that trains at Kill Cliff, and he is so much like demeanor-wise, from what I see of Chemaev, he's so much like that.

01:34:37.000 Dude, I'm telling you, this kid's like 18 years old, and he is a stud.

01:34:42.000 He's 18.

01:34:43.000 He fought for me on my promotion, his, I think, his debut.

01:34:47.000 Dude, he goes and gets in the guy's face.

01:34:49.000 The guy's coming down at weight class.

01:34:51.000 He's going up a weight class.

01:34:52.000 Ansar's going up a weight class.

01:34:54.000 Dude, he don't care.

01:34:55.000 Matter of fact, he's in that streamer's video, Neon, or whatever.

01:34:58.000 They post about it.

01:34:59.000 He's the one throwing RDR around him.

01:35:03.000 Really?

01:35:04.000 Yeah.

01:35:05.000 18-year-old kid?

01:35:06.000 Dude, he gives everybody problems.

01:35:07.000 Gilbert was throwing RDR around.

01:35:11.000 Isn't it wild when there's like some weird young phenom that is just so much better than they're supposed to be when they're young?

01:35:17.000 Dude, it's really odd when there's you're around those guys.

01:35:21.000 There's three there's three or four of them that, dude, I miss them a lot.

01:35:26.000 Like when I'm not like when I left Florida, one, they are such loyal humans.

01:35:32.000 Like you barely find that nowadays, as you know.

01:35:35.000 Like you don't, you don't find too many loyal guys.

01:35:37.000 And when they say like, my brother, they don't care if you're white, black, Indian, what your ethnicity is, what's your religion.

01:35:44.000 They don't care.

01:35:45.000 They care about you.

01:35:46.000 And dude, when I got into it with Marvin at the casino, Ansar wasn't even old enough to get in.

01:35:52.000 So he was like, brother, if I would have been there, I hit him.

01:35:56.000 No problem.

01:35:57.000 But there's like Nikita, Umran John, which is Ansar's best friend.

01:36:02.000 There's like Islam.

01:36:03.000 There's a couple of them.

01:36:05.000 That's Alaev.

01:36:06.000 There's like three to five.

01:36:08.000 And I'm telling you, these guys, especially like Umran John, there he is.

01:36:14.000 Whoa, that's a hell of a shot.

01:36:16.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:36:17.000 He is so good.

01:36:18.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:36:19.000 Look at how smooth he took that dude's back.

01:36:21.000 Wow.

01:36:22.000 He just fought a couple weeks ago.

01:36:23.000 He knocked some dude out in the first round.

01:36:24.000 That was so smooth, man.

01:36:26.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:36:27.000 Oh, he is on that back so quick.

01:36:29.000 Answer so good.

01:36:32.000 You know, there's one thing that these guys have in common is they're all from a hard part of the world.

01:36:39.000 A fucking rough part of the world.

01:36:42.000 Him and his best friend, Umran John, they left home at like, I think he was 17, 18 years old.

01:36:48.000 They just left home.

01:36:49.000 We asked him, like, hey, bro, why'd you leave home?

01:36:51.000 How'd you leave home?

01:36:52.000 Like, how'd you get here?

01:36:54.000 They both said the same thing.

01:36:55.000 Look at he is out.

01:36:56.000 He's out.

01:36:57.000 Referee.

01:36:58.000 He's a savage.

01:36:59.000 He trains 100%.

01:37:00.000 He doesn't know anything other than 100% every day.

01:37:03.000 Multiple times.

01:37:04.000 But we asked him, like, bro, how do you leave home?

01:37:05.000 How old is he now?

01:37:06.000 How old is he now?

01:37:06.000 I think he's 18, 19 max.

01:37:08.000 Wow.

01:37:09.000 Dude, he's a savage.

01:37:10.000 He looks good.

01:37:11.000 He looks good.

01:37:11.000 He's very good.

01:37:12.000 There's another one.

01:37:13.000 If you're that good at 18, my goodness.

01:37:14.000 He's going to be a stud.

01:37:15.000 What's that going to be like when he's 30?

01:37:17.000 Dude, I tell him all the time, like, man, if you just learn how to just take a breath and just be a little bit patient in certain positions.

01:37:24.000 Because that'll come exactly.

01:37:25.000 But man, he's fighting good guys already.

01:37:29.000 Like, they all want to fight him.

01:37:31.000 Umran John was fighting like one or two weight classes up, and he had a draw with a guy, and he thought it was like you would have think he lost the love of his life.

01:37:31.000 Umran John.

01:37:39.000 He had a draw because he was two weight classes up.

01:37:42.000 And like, bro, why don't you fight at your weight class?

01:37:45.000 Brother, I just smash.

01:37:46.000 I want to fight everyone, everyone.

01:37:48.000 And they can't get fights.

01:37:49.000 They can barely ever get fights.

01:37:52.000 It's hard for phenoms to get fights to amateurs and in the lower organizations.

01:37:56.000 A lot of people don't realize that.

01:37:57.000 It's really hard.

01:37:58.000 Yeah.

01:37:59.000 They come to me to match him, and you got to pay the other guy more to fight because they already know what it is.

01:38:04.000 Yeah.

01:38:05.000 It was hard.

01:38:06.000 It was very hard.

01:38:07.000 And so what weight is he at now?

01:38:08.000 I think he's at 45.

01:38:10.000 45?

01:38:10.000 Damn.

01:38:12.000 That's his last one right there.

01:38:14.000 I think.

01:38:14.000 No, no, that's not.

01:38:15.000 That's just another big takedown.

01:38:16.000 Bro, look at the dude's hair he's fighting.

01:38:19.000 That's what he does to everyone.

01:38:21.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:38:22.000 That is a crazy takedown.

01:38:23.000 He's so exciting.

01:38:24.000 I can't believe dudes are still holding on to guillotines when people get into side control.

01:38:28.000 How many times do they want to watch Ovin St. Prue fight?

01:38:32.000 It's crazy how many people still do that.

01:38:34.000 They still keep that guillotine while a guy's in side control.

01:38:37.000 That is a death sentence.

01:38:37.000 Yeah.

01:38:39.000 And some people don't cash in on it.

01:38:41.000 But if you just cinch those hands together, he can't get that ham out.

01:38:45.000 That's it.

01:38:46.000 Turn on your side.

01:38:47.000 That's it.

01:38:48.000 It's almost like giving up your neck.

01:38:50.000 It's like if someone gave up their back, everybody be like, what are you doing?

01:38:53.000 That's like what you're doing.

01:38:54.000 If you're holding on to a guillotine and a guy's in side control, it literally is like giving up your back and exposing your neck.

01:39:00.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:39:01.000 It is.

01:39:02.000 But I see these kids like this, and I'm just like, I used to be that kid, but these guys are even better.

01:39:06.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:07.000 Like, it's scary how evolution is.

01:39:10.000 But, like I said, man, I asked these kids, I was like, man, why'd you leave home?

01:39:13.000 How'd you leave home?

01:39:13.000 How'd you get here?

01:39:14.000 Him and his best friend left together.

01:39:17.000 Their story both, same thing, different times.

01:39:19.000 Like, brother, we just left one day.

01:39:21.000 Our parents, we told our parents we were going to the store, never came back.

01:39:25.000 What?

01:39:27.000 You know?

01:39:28.000 And just moved to America?

01:39:29.000 Yeah, like they somehow got here and they've been here.

01:39:32.000 And dude, they work during the day.

01:39:34.000 Like they work for a moving company and then they train.

01:39:34.000 They move stuff.

01:39:37.000 So they train in the morning.

01:39:38.000 They train, train, then they go work all night, all through the night, moving stuff, whatever they have to do, whatever their work is.

01:39:46.000 But most of the time, I see them moving stuff.

01:39:48.000 And then they come back, train the next day.

01:39:50.000 And they do this every single day, working their ass off, man.

01:39:54.000 It's super impressive and it's super motivating too.

01:39:57.000 But it just lets you know, like, for me, I used to be that young cat.

01:40:00.000 Like, everyone was 24, 25.

01:40:02.000 I'm 17, 18.

01:40:04.000 Yeah.

01:40:04.000 And I'm doing what I'm doing.

01:40:06.000 And now I see these kids and I'm like, damn.

01:40:08.000 So that's what it was like when the older guys are looking at me.

01:40:11.000 But these guys are better.

01:40:12.000 Forget when they get complacent in their career and they become like a journeyman and they forget what it's like to be young and hungry.

01:40:18.000 And then they'll train with someone and that'll either make them retire or it'll reinvigorate them.

01:40:23.000 It's awesome.

01:40:24.000 Because if you're around like people that are that driven, it becomes contagious.

01:40:28.000 It really does.

01:40:29.000 Especially if you know that a guy is working all day and training that hard.

01:40:33.000 Like you got no excuses.

01:40:34.000 Right.

01:40:35.000 And it's also there's like a when you're around people like that, there's a energy.

01:40:39.000 It catches you.

01:40:40.000 It moves you in its wake.

01:40:42.000 It does.

01:40:43.000 You're right.

01:40:43.000 100%.

01:40:44.000 Because like I get in my modes where I don't want to do nothing.

01:40:46.000 I'm just like, man, screw this.

01:40:48.000 I've done this long enough.

01:40:49.000 Like whatever.

01:40:50.000 But then I go back and like, say, today, for instance, I went and trained with Nikki Rod.

01:40:53.000 They whooped my ass.

01:40:55.000 They whooped my ass.

01:40:55.000 I ain't going to lie to you.

01:40:57.000 And I told them after, I was like, it should be illegal.

01:41:01.000 Y'all just whooped me that bad.

01:41:03.000 And they're like, yeah, but you ain't done nothing.

01:41:05.000 And, you know, you don't do Peer Jiu-Jitsu anymore.

01:41:06.000 Like, we're the best in the world, like, some of the best in the world at Peer Jiu-Jitsu.

01:41:10.000 That's true.

01:41:11.000 I was like, yeah, but still, I shouldn't be getting walked like that.

01:41:14.000 And, but it just makes me happy.

01:41:16.000 It's not that to almost everybody.

01:41:17.000 I love it, man.

01:41:19.000 He's such a freak.

01:41:19.000 He's so big.

01:41:20.000 Dude, I told him today.

01:41:21.000 I was like, how are you this big and move like this?

01:41:23.000 This is illegal.

01:41:24.000 Dude, Gordon told me there was a position once they were doing where they were working from the back and Gordon had his back.

01:41:31.000 And Nikki flipped over the top of him and wound up behind Gordon.

01:41:36.000 And Gordon turns to John Donaher and goes, What the fuck am I supposed to do with that?

01:41:41.000 Like, what do I do if that happens?

01:41:42.000 It's like, well, Donaher was like, well, nobody could do that other than Nikki.

01:41:45.000 Dude, that's how crazy that is.

01:41:47.000 He's so sick.

01:41:48.000 You know what nuts that is?

01:41:49.000 Do a backflip from your knees?

01:41:50.000 I couldn't.

01:41:51.000 And go over the top of someone who's got your back.

01:41:54.000 I can't even visualize it.

01:41:55.000 Somehow that he separated the hands and flipped over him.

01:41:55.000 Separate the hands.

01:41:59.000 And Gordon was like, okay.

01:42:00.000 Because Gordon would be the first to tell you, even though he's the best in the world and the best ever at no gi jujitsu.

01:42:05.000 He's not an explosive guy.

01:42:07.000 He's not, he was like, I'm not a good athlete.

01:42:07.000 Yeah.

01:42:09.000 He's intelligent, though.

01:42:10.000 Super, super intelligent.

01:42:12.000 He's super smart.

01:42:13.000 Yeah, he's super intelligent.

01:42:14.000 Super smart.

01:42:15.000 I've listened to some of his like instructionals before.

01:42:18.000 And like, I know he did one at Rufusport a long time ago.

01:42:21.000 And the guys told me after, because I was obviously at home.

01:42:24.000 And they were like, bro, he was in a wheelchair because I guess he had a surgery at the time and he was in a chair.

01:42:29.000 And his lady was teaching.

01:42:31.000 Like she was teaching for him.

01:42:32.000 And he was walking through every single position.

01:42:34.000 They, they, all, everyone said that was the best seminar they've ever been to.

01:42:39.000 He didn't get down there and teach one move.

01:42:39.000 He didn't.

01:42:41.000 That's incredible.

01:42:42.000 That's incredible.

01:42:43.000 I was like, that's impressive.

01:42:44.000 Well, you could, if you could do a seminar from a wheelchair, Jesus Christ.

01:42:48.000 Dude, impressive.

01:42:49.000 You know, Wagner says the same thing.

01:42:50.000 He's like, bro, he's the best guy I've ever trained with, learned from anything.

01:42:55.000 He's amazing.

01:42:56.000 So I've heard it from a lot.

01:42:57.000 I've heard a lot of guy, though, that's 365 days a year of training.

01:43:02.000 He goes, period.

01:43:03.000 There's no days off.

01:43:04.000 Fuck your Christmas.

01:43:05.000 Fuck your birthday.

01:43:06.000 There's no days off, which is so crazy to think of.

01:43:09.000 But the way they put it and the way Donaher put it is like, if you are training 200 days a year, that is a lot.

01:43:16.000 But you will not be able to beat a guy who's training 365 days a year because he has 165 more training sessions a year.

01:43:23.000 So over the course of two years, now he has, you know, 300 plus, then 400.

01:43:28.000 It keeps going and going.

01:43:29.000 So over the course of five years, like he's trained so much more than you.

01:43:32.000 It's true.

01:43:33.000 And it's not just training.

01:43:35.000 It's like when they're not physically training, they're going over tape.

01:43:39.000 all day.

01:43:40.000 Right.

01:43:40.000 Like, which is like, it's hard to do that and to keep your mind focused on that.

01:43:46.000 They're writing things down.

01:43:47.000 They're going over positions.

01:43:48.000 It's not just all hard physical work.

01:43:50.000 It's intelligent.

01:43:51.000 It's a lot of breaking things down.

01:43:53.000 A lot of like the finer points of technique and positioning.

01:43:57.000 It's funny you say that because it's like for me, like when we were talking earlier about how like time off, it reinvigorates your mind.

01:44:03.000 It's like, that's what it does for me.

01:44:05.000 Like I probably do 100 reps in a day of like things that I've screwed up on, like throwing a jab wrong or leaving my hand down or like in my head, my mental reps.

01:44:18.000 And then somehow when I do go train again, it's just so weird.

01:44:21.000 Like my body just automatically does it.

01:44:23.000 Like say I throw the jab and I just bring it back to my chest.

01:44:26.000 I want it on my chin.

01:44:26.000 I don't want it there.

01:44:29.000 I do so many mental reps of this for like a week or two weeks or however long I'm out.

01:44:33.000 By the time I spar again, I'm not doing it no more.

01:44:35.000 Like I do so many mental reps focused on such little details.

01:44:39.000 But then outside of that, I really take my time.

01:44:41.000 I try to take my time away from fighting.

01:44:43.000 Like when I'm not training for the most part, especially like the month after the fight, I don't want to hear about fighting.

01:44:49.000 I don't want to talk about fighting.

01:44:51.000 That's why I stay away from like most people that don't know me.

01:44:54.000 I don't want to talk because anytime they see me, oh, what do you think about this fight?

01:44:57.000 What's next?

01:44:58.000 I don't know, man.

01:44:59.000 You just want to let your motivation turn.

01:45:02.000 I just want to be with my family.

01:45:04.000 I want to be a normal person because one day fighting is not going to be there for me.

01:45:06.000 It's always been there for me since I was 13.

01:45:09.000 When I had anxiety about something, stress, heartbreak, whatever it is, it's always been there for me.

01:45:15.000 And that's when I always grew.

01:45:17.000 But it's not, the end is a lot closer than the beginning.

01:45:21.000 You know, that's where I'm at in my life.

01:45:21.000 Right.

01:45:23.000 And I know that.

01:45:23.000 So I'm trying to make the most of it and try.

01:45:26.000 You think about like high-end, you got 10 years, if that's really possible.

01:45:29.000 Maybe.

01:45:30.000 It's not usually.

01:45:31.000 And usually the last few are rough because the last few years, like Anderson after he broke his leg.

01:45:37.000 Right.

01:45:38.000 Right.

01:45:38.000 So I say there's like two Andersons.

01:45:40.000 There's Anderson pre-Wideman and post-Wideman.

01:45:43.000 There's the knockout where Wideman caught him at the left hook.

01:45:43.000 For sure.

01:45:45.000 And then there's the leg break in the rematch.

01:45:47.000 And then from then, he's never been Anderson again.

01:45:49.000 Correct.

01:45:50.000 And I think the injury has a lot to do with it, but it's also father of time.

01:45:53.000 I don't think we got Anderson in the EOC until he was 34.

01:45:56.000 It was a while because he was already big on the other side.

01:45:58.000 Huge, bro.

01:46:00.000 That was one of them fights where people didn't really know Anderson that well.

01:46:04.000 And he was fighting Chris Lieben.

01:46:06.000 And the odds were Anderson was the favorite, but not by enough.

01:46:10.000 And I was telling my friend, like, bet the house on the Brazilian.

01:46:14.000 I go, bet the house.

01:46:16.000 Because he was coming off of that.

01:46:16.000 Yeah.

01:46:17.000 Remember, Cage Rage?

01:46:18.000 Yeah.

01:46:19.000 So he was coming off of the Lee Murray fight.

01:46:22.000 Who did he fight over there as well?

01:46:22.000 He was coming off.

01:46:24.000 He fought Jorge Rivera.

01:46:26.000 That was a big fight.

01:46:27.000 There was a Tony Fricklin one where he did that crazy step-in elbow.

01:46:30.000 Oh, yeah, that's all the highlight of that.

01:46:32.000 I didn't know that was the name, but I know the elbow you're talking about.

01:46:34.000 That elbow, do you know he had a practice with his wife because his coach wouldn't let him try it?

01:46:39.000 Really?

01:46:40.000 His coach was like, stop doing that.

01:46:41.000 You're not going to do that.

01:46:42.000 He goes, I'm going to hit him with this.

01:46:44.000 He's like, no, you're not going to do that.

01:46:45.000 Stop training that.

01:46:46.000 So we didn't want to train that.

01:46:47.000 So he told his wife to hold a pillow.

01:46:49.000 So his wife was holding a pillow at home and he was going like this.

01:46:52.000 Sah, over and over again.

01:46:55.000 He was just practicing.

01:46:57.000 Yes.

01:46:57.000 He wanted to do some on the box shit.

01:46:59.000 What a great story to have.

01:47:00.000 Bro, that was Anderson.

01:47:02.000 Like, people didn't, people saw him in his prime for sure, obviously, because he's one of the greatest of all time.

01:47:06.000 But they didn't see that transition to him becoming in his prime, and that was in Cage Rage because he had some really good fights in Pride, but then when he went to Cage Rage, like something flipped, man.

01:47:17.000 You know how it has like Olivera when it happened to him after he had his kid?

01:47:21.000 You know, something flips sometimes when a fighter just locks in and then they become who they really are.

01:47:27.000 Yeah, who everyone around them knows because they see it in the gym, but no one else has seen it.

01:47:31.000 It's uh it's weird.

01:47:34.000 Like, I always say that about myself.

01:47:35.000 Like, I still haven't, I'm still not the guy that everyone knows in the gym.

01:47:41.000 I show a little bit more every time, but I'm not even that that guy.

01:47:45.000 Well, maybe this changing of environment and coaching will allow you to hit that spot.

01:47:49.000 The coaching, like you were talking about earlier, right?

01:47:52.000 It has been the hardest thing for me to let go, like, of control and give it to someone else.

01:47:58.000 But it took, it was kind of one of those things.

01:47:59.000 I met Horacio and Mike, and I have obviously a lot of trust and a lot of faith in Bilal.

01:48:04.000 I've known him for a long time, and I see what he's done.

01:48:07.000 But I met these guys and Max, too.

01:48:10.000 I met him for five days when I was with Bilal.

01:48:15.000 And to watch, sit back and watch them also have my own interactions with them.

01:48:19.000 It just felt like one of those things.

01:48:21.000 You just feel like you're friends instantly, like you known each other forever.

01:48:24.000 And that's kind of what that connection was with them.

01:48:26.000 So honestly, it was a little bit easier than normal to let go of like the control of like controlling what I'm going to do, when I'm going to do it, the strategy.

01:48:34.000 Did you think about other camps as well?

01:48:36.000 Did you think about I didn't think I was going to leave, to be honest with you?

01:48:39.000 I didn't think I was going to leave Florida.

01:48:40.000 I was just going there to help my friend and just kind of see what I could do different, like what I could change in my own in my own thing.

01:48:47.000 But then obviously, my goal after being there, because he was getting ready for Jack, Bilal was.

01:48:54.000 So I watched everything.

01:48:55.000 I helped him for a few days.

01:48:56.000 And then I went back.

01:48:58.000 I fought Marvin.

01:49:01.000 And I was at, I did two or three weeks with Chicago.

01:49:07.000 Two weeks.

01:49:08.000 I did two weeks.

01:49:09.000 Excuse me.

01:49:10.000 I did two weeks.

01:49:11.000 And then I did like four or five in Florida.

01:49:14.000 So I was like, okay, next time I'm just going to do split it, four and four.

01:49:18.000 You know, spend my time mix and match.

01:49:20.000 Because it was a great time, like for me.

01:49:23.000 Then I fought DeRitter.

01:49:24.000 He was there.

01:49:25.000 And I was like, I don't know.

01:49:27.000 It didn't sit well with me how all that stuff went, like how he got there and everything.

01:49:31.000 And everyone was like, oh, why is he fighting him, their teammates?

01:49:34.000 And I told everyone from the beginning, like, you can ask Gilbert Burns because he said it on his little podcast thing he did.

01:49:39.000 I always said, I'm not going to train with him.

01:49:41.000 I'm going to fight him one day.

01:49:42.000 I'm good.

01:49:44.000 No animosity.

01:49:45.000 I just don't need no more friends.

01:49:48.000 I just don't.

01:49:49.000 I have enough guys.

01:49:50.000 The guys that I know that I'm friends with, Joe Pfeiffer, Gregory Rodriguez, Bai Sangor.

01:49:57.000 Those are guys that are going to be at the top or at the top that we have agreements only for a belt.

01:50:02.000 I'll fight anyone on this planet for a belt.

01:50:04.000 Anyone.

01:50:04.000 And I expect the same in return because it could change their lives or my own, you know?

01:50:09.000 So they know that about me.

01:50:09.000 Yeah.

01:50:11.000 But no matter what the time frame is, if you say yes to me or you say my name, we're going to fight.

01:50:17.000 That's it.

01:50:17.000 Like that's how that's how I feel.

01:50:19.000 But those guys are the guys that I have with, and now they're all coming to the top.

01:50:23.000 So it's like, you know, someday it's probably going to happen.

01:50:26.000 So it's like, I don't know.

01:50:27.000 Dana hates hearing that kind of shit.

01:50:29.000 Like, guys won't fight friends.

01:50:31.000 Yeah, but I'll fight for a belt, though.

01:50:32.000 Anyone on the whole planet.

01:50:33.000 Godzilla, I'll fight for the whole belt.

01:50:35.000 I don't care.

01:50:36.000 And Ganu, I'll fight him for a belt.

01:50:37.000 I don't care.

01:50:38.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:50:39.000 Like, it could change my whole life.

01:50:40.000 Like, my families.

01:50:41.000 Sure.

01:50:42.000 Yeah.

01:50:42.000 So, like, I'm very realistic because obviously, even if you love to do this at this level, it's about the money, too.

01:50:49.000 Like, you know, it's financial freedom.

01:50:52.000 Making intelligent choices because one slip up could set you back two years.

01:50:57.000 Yeah, I'm learning that.

01:50:59.000 Yeah.

01:51:00.000 I learned that the hard way.

01:51:01.000 Well, that's also important to learn, right?

01:51:03.000 It's also important to have those setbacks.

01:51:05.000 Those setbacks are some of the most important growth points in your career, in anybody's career, if you do it right.

01:51:10.000 Like those setbacks are when you feel that ugliness, and then you really have to assess what could I have done differently.

01:51:17.000 What am I doing wrong?

01:51:19.000 Is there something about my mindset?

01:51:20.000 Is there something about my diet?

01:51:22.000 Is there something about my recovery?

01:51:23.000 Am I doing too much of this or too little of that?

01:51:26.000 You have to have that pain.

01:51:28.000 If everything is just going great, the thing going into the fight was Aspinall's every fight other than the Curse Blades fight was a one-round fight.

01:51:36.000 It was him blowing guys out.

01:51:37.000 And so no one really knew what was going to happen if we got into round three, round four, round five.

01:51:43.000 And so that question's always hovering over their head.

01:51:46.000 When a guy like you who's been in those wars and been in the trenches, you've already had, that's a blessing.

01:51:53.000 It really is a blessing because it gives you not just the motivation to return better than you were before.

01:51:59.000 Like look at Bo Nickel after he lost, right?

01:52:01.000 He loses to DeRitter, comes back and smokes Adolfo Vieira.

01:52:05.000 Look like a different guy.

01:52:06.000 Looks like a different guy.

01:52:08.000 Why?

01:52:08.000 Because of that, there's a blessing in losing.

01:52:11.000 There's a blessing in failure.

01:52:14.000 There really is.

01:52:15.000 Because if you can swallow it, it will give you a fucking furnace inside you to come back stronger.

01:52:22.000 If you can swallow it, but some guys can't swallow it.

01:52:24.000 They choke on it and they cry and maybe their confidence gets shattered and they're never the same again.

01:52:30.000 Or maybe they go, why am I doing this?

01:52:32.000 I could be a carpenter.

01:52:33.000 I always wanted to play drums.

01:52:35.000 I've thought of that.

01:52:36.000 I thought of that, but I don't want to go back to being a carpenter.

01:52:38.000 I'm good with that.

01:52:39.000 A guy like Tom Aspinall, when he gets to a fight with a guy like Nganu or a guy who's going to be there, those questions, and I'm not saying that he wouldn't succeed.

01:52:48.000 I'm not saying he wouldn't win, but those questions might be in your head because you haven't been in those high-profile wars before where you came up short.

01:52:58.000 You know, I still get those questions.

01:53:00.000 I'm such a perfectionist and I know nothing will ever be perfect, but I want as close to it as I can get that still.

01:53:07.000 It's a great mindset.

01:53:08.000 I find something.

01:53:09.000 I will always find something to be negative.

01:53:11.000 But what's helped me is I had a sports psychiatrist for a while.

01:53:14.000 He was great.

01:53:17.000 And I learned a lot with him.

01:53:20.000 And for me, it's been about like, I'm very open with people that I care about and that I don't care solely about me.

01:53:25.000 They're not worried about if I win or lose or, you know, all that stuff, the fame.

01:53:29.000 They're not worried about that.

01:53:30.000 They care about me as a person.

01:53:32.000 And that was something that was great with Bilal and Haracio and all the guys in Chicago.

01:53:35.000 Mike, Max.

01:53:37.000 You know, we talk regularly.

01:53:38.000 How are you, man?

01:53:39.000 How's the family?

01:53:39.000 Everything good?

01:53:41.000 But I'm very open with them leading up to the fight.

01:53:43.000 Like there's a clip from behind the scenes of the last fight where I'm open and they catch it.

01:53:48.000 Like, this is me being vulnerable of who I am.

01:53:50.000 I was too manly or whatever trying to suppress it before where it just grew into something bigger and I would mentally shut down.

01:53:58.000 Malcoon was the worst fight for me for that.

01:54:00.000 I was shaking in the bed the night before.

01:54:01.000 Like I thought I was freezing, but I wasn't.

01:54:04.000 I was so nervous of like, I can't lose to this guy.

01:54:06.000 He's not on my level.

01:54:07.000 And then I go out there and perform not that well.

01:54:09.000 So your mind was fucking you.

01:54:11.000 Because I find one negative thing and I just focus and I make it huge.

01:54:11.000 Yeah.

01:54:14.000 I think it's good sometimes.

01:54:17.000 I think it's good sometimes, but it's like almost like you have to be critical, but yet also confident.

01:54:22.000 Right.

01:54:23.000 And I would take my confidence away by focusing on it.

01:54:26.000 But being able to talk about it, like, again, they had that moment.

01:54:29.000 I have it on my Instagram.

01:54:30.000 They made a clip or whatever for me.

01:54:32.000 And it's just literally, it was two nights before the fight, three nights before the fight.

01:54:38.000 And we're talking and I'm telling them, bro, he could get me down.

01:54:43.000 He could finish me.

01:54:44.000 But if he finishes me on the ground, he's got to be just that good.

01:54:47.000 But I'm nervous, man.

01:54:48.000 I'm nervous that I'm not going to go out here and perform to what I know that I can do.

01:54:52.000 To me, that's the worst.

01:54:52.000 I don't mind losing to someone that's better than me.

01:54:55.000 I can take it.

01:54:56.000 I haven't found that man yet, but I know it's going to happen.

01:55:00.000 But to lose to someone truly better than me, I can accept it.

01:55:04.000 But to lose to myself, oh man, to look in the mirror, it eats me alive.

01:55:09.000 I think those things that can creep into your head before a fight where I don't want to lose, I don't want to disappoint people, I don't want to do this, then that is a really bad time to have those thoughts.

01:55:20.000 It's not a bad time to have those thoughts when you're working on stuff.

01:55:23.000 It's not a bad time to have those thoughts like if you're really trying to motivate yourself to get up in the morning and run or whatever it is, like to really get after it in strength and conditioning.

01:55:31.000 But when you're fighting, like you have to have a strategy of how to squash those thoughts when they come up.

01:55:37.000 And it get, I mean, it's not just fighting.

01:55:38.000 Anybody who's listening to this, anything in life that you have to do that's really difficult and scares you, you got to know how to squash negative thoughts before they burn your house down.

01:55:50.000 Like when you see the fire, stop that bitch out quick.

01:55:53.000 Stomp it out quick and then make sure that you're starting to really only focus on positive things and never let it get because those little creepy demon thoughts, they'll get in and then they start running around.

01:56:06.000 They start running around.

01:56:07.000 They start screaming and taking over your brain.

01:56:10.000 You're like, get out of my head.

01:56:11.000 Get out of my head.

01:56:12.000 But they're already in there.

01:56:13.000 You let them in.

01:56:14.000 And sometimes they have to burn your house down before you realize what the danger is of them getting inside your head.

01:56:20.000 Right.

01:56:21.000 And so then the next time you've got to come up with a strategy to squash it before it gets too crazy.

01:56:26.000 We did a lot of like at the beginning of like sports psychiatrists.

01:56:29.000 Like that was one thing, right?

01:56:30.000 Like I would suppress it right away and suppress it.

01:56:33.000 And it'd try to creep back through and I'd suppress it again.

01:56:35.000 But then it just gets bigger and stronger to where it can just come out.

01:56:38.000 And you don't know when it's going to come out.

01:56:39.000 It could be the night of the fight.

01:56:40.000 It could be the day before the fight.

01:56:42.000 It could be in the fight, you know?

01:56:44.000 So it's like taking it in, whatever that emotion is for you, dissecting it.

01:56:49.000 Like literally get to the root of why you think this.

01:56:52.000 Like, oh, I think he can knock me out.

01:56:54.000 If I dissect it, well, yeah, he's knocked a lot of guys out, but anyone can knock anyone out.

01:56:58.000 Anyone can.

01:56:58.000 Right.

01:56:59.000 So what are you nervous of?

01:57:00.000 You've done this like for me over 30 times.

01:57:02.000 Like, what are you worried about?

01:57:04.000 You fought on the biggest level.

01:57:05.000 You've made a vintage.

01:57:06.000 You're ranked in the world.

01:57:07.000 You fought some of the best in the world.

01:57:09.000 Like, what are you worried about?

01:57:10.000 You let a demon sneak into your brain.

01:57:12.000 Yeah, you know?

01:57:13.000 And once I dissect it, I've worked on it like that so well.

01:57:16.000 And being open and honest with my coaches and like the people that I care about and they care about me has been such a great like thing for me.

01:57:24.000 I'm the kind of guy like sometimes like just I've learned about myself is just like, just let me talk.

01:57:29.000 Sometimes I'm not a big talker, but just let me talk.

01:57:32.000 If you don't even have to say nothing, but damn, that's all right, bro.

01:57:37.000 That's why Tuco, who you always see me with, normally he's always with me.

01:57:41.000 Bro, he's the best at just like listening to me.

01:57:44.000 Like, it's not very often, but when I do want to talk, like, I'm like, bro, like, he'll ask me, what's wrong?

01:57:50.000 I don't think you want to hear it today.

01:57:51.000 Like, I'm good.

01:57:52.000 He'll ask me that a couple of times.

01:57:53.000 Eventually, I'll just let it out.

01:57:54.000 And then I'm good.

01:57:55.000 I'm good.

01:57:56.000 Like, it's almost like you have to tell somebody what's going on inside your head.

01:58:00.000 And if you keep it inside your head, there's the wings.

01:58:03.000 The wings are coming.

01:58:04.000 Demons.

01:58:06.000 Flying monkeys.

01:58:08.000 Throwing firebombs inside your head.

01:58:10.000 Wizard of Oz.

01:58:10.000 I'm launching them.

01:58:11.000 I'm launching them, bro.

01:58:13.000 So it's like, that's been great for me.

01:58:15.000 That's really helped.

01:58:17.000 I've had a couple of younger kids that have asked me, oh, how's that?

01:58:20.000 And I turned them on to my guy that I used to use.

01:58:22.000 What did you do with the psychiatrist?

01:58:24.000 Like, how did what were the sessions like?

01:58:26.000 We would talk about things like this.

01:58:27.000 He'd have worksheets and stuff like this.

01:58:29.000 But you know what really, really sunk in?

01:58:31.000 So first we worked on like learning to catch emotions.

01:58:35.000 He called it something, but learning to catch different emotions before they grow.

01:58:39.000 So you can dissect them.

01:58:40.000 It's the fire.

01:58:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:58:41.000 Before it burns your house down.

01:58:42.000 So like recognizing.

01:58:43.000 First is recognizing.

01:58:44.000 Anything you have to recognize.

01:58:45.000 If you recognize it 30 minutes the first time, all right, let's try for 25 the next time.

01:58:50.000 Don't let it like you thought on it for 30 minutes and you're like, fuck, why am I thinking about this?

01:58:54.000 Let's do 25.

01:58:55.000 So keep it until you can get it like right away.

01:58:57.000 Then we dissect it and then we move on about our day.

01:59:01.000 Things that helped me at the beginning were like, um, does it help you talking with a different person, like another person about this rather than just bouncing it off your own head?

01:59:09.000 Yes, for sure.

01:59:11.000 Something about talking to another person makes it real, yeah.

01:59:14.000 And it just like gets it out.

01:59:15.000 Like, I'm holding it in, holding it in, holding it in.

01:59:17.000 As soon as I talk, it's like it's literally like leaving my body.

01:59:20.000 Like, the stress just kind of like, and sometimes they have like good things to say, like things like that.

01:59:25.000 My sports psychiatrist was the one that told me those things.

01:59:27.000 Like, bro, you've done this how many times?

01:59:29.000 You fought these guys?

01:59:30.000 Like, did he ever work with fighters before?

01:59:33.000 He was working with a small team in New Orleans.

01:59:35.000 And now, he's got other guys in the UFC now because they would ask me, and I'd turn him on.

01:59:39.000 He's great.

01:59:40.000 His name's Eric.

01:59:41.000 He's really great.

01:59:42.000 He's from New Orleans.

01:59:42.000 Because I would think if a guy was like a sports psychiatrist, like tennis, it's like some things would carry over, but it's a very different thing.

01:59:49.000 And he trained as well.

01:59:50.000 He grew up wrestling and stuff.

01:59:52.000 Perfect guy then.

01:59:52.000 Exactly.

01:59:53.000 And it just, it just worked out great, man.

01:59:56.000 I learned a lot.

01:59:57.000 Like, I kind of figured out what worked for me.

01:59:58.000 So I was like, all right.

02:00:00.000 And I get so busy.

02:00:01.000 But another thing he gave me was you read it the day, like after you weigh in, you read it, and then you finish.

02:00:08.000 Like it has a part where it says read up to this point.

02:00:11.000 And then you read this, the rest of the section, the date of the fight.

02:00:15.000 And it's, I forget the author.

02:00:16.000 I have it in my phone somewhere that he sent me a long time ago.

02:00:19.000 And I would read it before every fight.

02:00:21.000 Everyone.

02:00:23.000 Like the Apex when we were in the Apex all the time.

02:00:25.000 I'd weigh in and we had to wait that like two hours till like we could face off if you weigh in first.

02:00:30.000 And I'd sit there and I'd read it.

02:00:31.000 And it was like an author and he talks a lot about like different sports and like one of his basic things is like hope.

02:00:39.000 The word hope, hold on, possibilities exist.

02:00:41.000 Like don't ever think it's over.

02:00:43.000 It's done.

02:00:44.000 Don't ever say I have to do something.

02:00:46.000 I want to do something.

02:00:47.000 I don't have to.

02:00:48.000 The minute you start putting I have to is the moment you start, like he says, like put, like change.

02:00:53.000 You hit the emergency stop button, the emergency brake on your car, like you got to let it off.

02:00:57.000 You're not performing at your best with all those things.

02:00:58.000 So like stuff like that really like sets in and I try to remind myself.

02:01:02.000 So like reminding myself of those things.

02:01:04.000 Talking about it is really like what helps me.

02:01:07.000 This book, is it a book?

02:01:08.000 It's like a little uh, pamphlet or pamphlet, yeah, kind of.

02:01:11.000 Do you know who wrote it?

02:01:12.000 Uh, it's in my phone.

02:01:13.000 I can find it.

02:01:14.000 Well, just like, so other people can look at it because it sounds pretty powerful.

02:01:19.000 It was great man, and if it helped you, there's, there's a lot, a lot of like hokey sort of self-help stuff online.

02:01:26.000 You know, be a fucking man, go out and get it done and there's, there's a wolf inside of you and all that kooky.

02:01:34.000 But the reality is there's a lot of wisdom out there too.

02:01:38.000 There's a lot of like you could read meditations by Marcus Aurelius and literally learn how to live a better life like.

02:01:43.000 There's a lot of stuff out there that's very beneficial.

02:01:46.000 So when someone like yourself has something that really helped them.

02:01:50.000 I think it's probably good to put it out there so other people could get it.

02:01:53.000 You know it's so crazy.

02:01:54.000 Now i'm looking through like the documents and stuff that he sent me, like mindfulness was the word I was looking for when you catch it like mindfulness, like stuff like that.

02:02:01.000 But it's funny, mindfulness is one of them co-opted words.

02:02:05.000 It's been co-opted like gratitude and spirituality.

02:02:08.000 It's one of them words that like, too many kooky people use.

02:02:11.000 Yeah, exactly the first time He told me, I was like, bro, don't tell me we're at the crazy shit, bro.

02:02:16.000 I'm not that kind of guy, you know.

02:02:18.000 Don't you hit me with no mindfulness, man.

02:02:20.000 But look, I'm literally going through right here, right?

02:02:22.000 And he just send me stuff, right?

02:02:24.000 Before a fight, or like he'd send me YouTube links.

02:02:29.000 Look at the second one from the top.

02:02:33.000 Who is it with me?

02:02:34.000 Who is it?

02:02:35.000 David Goggins.

02:02:36.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

02:02:37.000 He sent me that.

02:02:38.000 Like stuff like this.

02:02:40.000 Goggins is a perfect example of that.

02:02:42.000 He says things all the time that I think of.

02:02:44.000 Jocko, when I'm working out and I'm really tired, I think of this one Jocko video where it's called Good.

02:02:50.000 Have you ever seen that video?

02:02:52.000 No.

02:02:52.000 You want to get fired up?

02:02:53.000 Yeah, I want to see it.

02:02:54.000 Can we play that?

02:02:55.000 This is one of my all-time favorite videos.

02:02:55.000 We get fired up.

02:02:58.000 You know, Jocko, right?

02:02:59.000 Jocko Warren.

02:03:00.000 So Jocko, you know, was a Navy SEAL and was, he's got a book called Extreme Ownership.

02:03:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:03:00.000 Yeah.

02:03:10.000 And it's just the way he thinks and the way he carries himself is so beneficial if you can adopt this.

02:03:19.000 That there's sometimes where I'm training, where I'm fucking really, really tired and I want to quit.

02:03:24.000 I think of Jocko and I go, good, you're tired.

02:03:27.000 That means you're going to get stronger.

02:03:28.000 Listen to this.

02:03:29.000 This is fucking amazing.

02:03:30.000 Direct subordinates, one of my guys that worked for me.

02:03:33.000 He would call me up or pull me aside with some major problem, some issue that was going on.

02:03:39.000 And he'd say, boss, we got this and that and the other thing.

02:03:41.000 And I look at him and I'd say, good.

02:03:45.000 And finally, one day he was telling me about some issue that he was having, some problem.

02:03:49.000 And he said, I already know what you're going to say.

02:03:53.000 And I said, well, what am I going to say?

02:03:55.000 He said, you're going to say good.

02:03:58.000 He said, that's what you always say.

02:04:00.000 When something is wrong and going bad, you always just look at me and say, good.

02:04:07.000 And I said, well, yeah.

02:04:08.000 When things are going bad, there's going to be some good that's going to come from it.

02:04:16.000 Didn't get the new high-speed gear we wanted?

02:04:19.000 Good.

02:04:20.000 Didn't get promoted.

02:04:23.000 Good.

02:04:24.000 More time to get better.

02:04:26.000 Oh, mission got canceled?

02:04:28.000 Good.

02:04:28.000 We can focus on the other one.

02:04:30.000 Didn't get funded.

02:04:31.000 Didn't get the job you wanted.

02:04:34.000 Got injured.

02:04:35.000 Sprained my ankle.

02:04:36.000 Got tapped out?

02:04:37.000 Good.

02:04:38.000 Got beat?

02:04:39.000 Good.

02:04:41.000 We learned.

02:04:43.000 Unexpected problems?

02:04:46.000 Good.

02:04:47.000 We have the opportunity to figure out a solution.

02:04:52.000 That's it.

02:04:53.000 When things are going bad, don't get all bummed out.

02:04:57.000 Don't get startled.

02:04:58.000 Don't get frustrated.

02:05:04.000 If you can say the word good, guess what?

02:05:09.000 It means you're still alive.

02:05:12.000 It means you're still breathing.

02:05:14.000 And if you're still breathing, well, then hell, you still got some fight left in you.

02:05:22.000 So get up, dust off, reload, recalibrate, re-engage, and go out on the attack.

02:05:40.000 Oh, yeah.

02:05:42.000 That's a good one.

02:05:43.000 That's a good one.

02:05:44.000 Play that one when you're in the fucking dressing room.

02:05:47.000 This is what it is.

02:05:47.000 Getting ready.

02:05:48.000 I don't know if it's a good idea.

02:05:49.000 So these are the thoughts he sends you.

02:05:50.000 Yeah.

02:05:51.000 So it's called How Sports Psychology Can Help You Do Your Best When It Means the Most Unedited Copy.

02:05:51.000 Okay.

02:05:58.000 Who's the author?

02:06:00.000 Does it say?

02:06:01.000 Oh, Rob Gilbert, Rob Gilbert, PhD, Montclair State University, Montclair, New Jersey.

02:06:09.000 Okay.

02:06:09.000 It's pretty cool.

02:06:11.000 God, I'll ask you to send me that afterwards.

02:06:13.000 Of course, I love shit like that.

02:06:16.000 There's little things like that you can carry in your toolbox, and they can help you.

02:06:21.000 And not just if you're a professional fighter, but in basically everything in life.

02:06:25.000 It's been it really helped change.

02:06:30.000 How's Bilal doing?

02:06:31.000 Who fucking gets poked in the eye more than that guy?

02:06:34.000 Jesus Christ.

02:06:35.000 That guy has had, I think he's had something insane, like nine eye surgeries.

02:06:39.000 I know he's had three of the hard ones.

02:06:41.000 Like of the, he literally, he told me the story.

02:06:44.000 He had to drive home six hours.

02:06:48.000 Excuse me, his wife came and got him and brought him home.

02:06:51.000 But this is a while back.

02:06:53.000 He had to drive six hours with his head like that because something with the pressure, you can't sense straight up with it.

02:06:59.000 It's crazy.

02:07:00.000 He explained it to me, but it's like, it blows my mind.

02:07:02.000 I couldn't believe he got poked again by Ian Gary.

02:07:05.000 I couldn't believe it.

02:07:06.000 The moment he got poked, I'm like, I can't believe this is happening.

02:07:08.000 I can't believe it's happening.

02:07:09.000 Dude, I thought the same thing.

02:07:10.000 Oh, my God.

02:07:11.000 Look at the Leon one, right?

02:07:12.000 Look at that finger in his deep in his fucking eyeball.

02:07:16.000 That is so crazy.

02:07:18.000 That's so crazy.

02:07:20.000 So he's had major surgeries on his eyes.

02:07:23.000 And then Ian poked him right away.

02:07:23.000 Yep.

02:07:26.000 I was like, this is crazy.

02:07:28.000 I don't know how you feel, but I feel like it should be an instant one-point deduction every time.

02:07:33.000 At least I like what Talon Aspinoff said.

02:07:36.000 He was like, no, you poked me in my eye.

02:07:38.000 You want me to continue?

02:07:39.000 Okay, no problem.

02:07:39.000 I get to poke him in his eye.

02:07:41.000 I was like, a lot of people are talking shit about Tom, but he apparently still can't see.

02:07:46.000 Like his eyes still fucked up.

02:07:49.000 Here's the thing.

02:07:49.000 No one knows.

02:07:50.000 The eye, the other eye got hurt as well, but not as bad, but it looks way worse.

02:07:54.000 The finger goes way deeper in the other eye.

02:07:56.000 Dude, I poked him.

02:07:57.000 Bro, he went straight three stooges.

02:07:59.000 Boink.

02:08:00.000 And you know, it's crazy that everyone that talks the most shit has never been poked in the eye.

02:08:05.000 Not even a little bit, like accidentally.

02:08:07.000 Oh, it's horrible.

02:08:08.000 You know?

02:08:08.000 It's like a bolt of lightning in your brain.

02:08:11.000 And then you can't see.

02:08:12.000 And if the idea that you can't see, and then you're supposed to fight a guy, also, you're fighting a guy in Ian Gary who has a fucking nasty left hand.

02:08:21.000 So if you get poked in your eyeball and you can't see that punch gun, well, he's got a nasty right hand, too.

02:08:25.000 I mean, Ian Gary can strike.

02:08:27.000 Oh, God.

02:08:28.000 That's been all right there.

02:08:29.000 So look at the right one.

02:08:29.000 Look at that.

02:08:32.000 Excuse me, the left eye.

02:08:33.000 That's deeper.

02:08:34.000 And that one didn't get hurt as bad.

02:08:36.000 It's his right eye that really got hurt.

02:08:38.000 The left one is like finger knuckle deep in his eyeball, man.

02:08:42.000 Dude, it's crazy.

02:08:43.000 You know, like Bilal is like one of those guys you talk about, 365, 24-7.

02:08:49.000 He's ready.

02:08:50.000 He's doing something always.

02:08:51.000 I'm even like, bro, take a break, bro.

02:08:53.000 You've earned a little break.

02:08:54.000 Take a week off.

02:08:55.000 Be with your family.

02:08:56.000 You know, he won't.

02:08:58.000 Well, at his stage of his life, it might be the only way to keep going because he's at like 38 now, right?

02:09:05.000 Yeah, something like that.

02:09:07.000 That's the same age as Usman.

02:09:09.000 And, you know, you can still be a world-class fighter at that age.

02:09:13.000 You could clearly see that with Kamaro against Joaquin Buckley.

02:09:16.000 Like, a lot of people counted him out because Joaquin Buckley was fucking a lot of people.

02:09:20.000 Yeah, he was.

02:09:20.000 Joaquin Buckley, bro.

02:09:22.000 Woo, that guy's a problem.

02:09:23.000 He's a fucking problem.

02:09:25.000 I've known him for a minute, man.

02:09:27.000 He's wild and fast, and he keeps getting better.

02:09:31.000 And he's really fucking, he's really fucking intelligent about how to land shots.

02:09:35.000 He knows how to set things up.

02:09:36.000 He likes to fight.

02:09:37.000 He loves to fight.

02:09:38.000 And he's, you know, he's just a dog, just in the fight, man.

02:09:42.000 He's always dangerous.

02:09:43.000 That Wonderboy fight, you know, like he's having a little bit of problem solving that distance and that range until he didn't.

02:09:50.000 Until he did.

02:09:51.000 Man, bro, that dude's got hammers in his fists.

02:09:55.000 Yes.

02:09:55.000 So when watching Kamaru just ragdoll him like that, I was like, God, fuck yeah.

02:10:01.000 It looked like Kamaru world champion level Kamaru.

02:10:04.000 Like a lot of people have kind of counted him out because there's this narrative that he puts out there openly about his knees.

02:10:10.000 Yeah.

02:10:10.000 Oh, he talked about it on this podcast openly.

02:10:12.000 His knees are fucked.

02:10:14.000 He's like, I got to go downstairs backwards sometimes because they hurt so much.

02:10:18.000 I heard he went and did like a lot of stuff to like redo them.

02:10:21.000 And now he says they're good, but I don't know.

02:10:23.000 I don't know.

02:10:23.000 Well, I know he went to Colombia.

02:10:26.000 He went down to that bioaccelerator place in Colombia.

02:10:31.000 I don't know if he's been to the place in Tijuana that the UFC uses now, the Cellular Performance Institute, but they're all very similar.

02:10:38.000 We're being held back to such a fucking ridiculous extent in this country by the FDA that you don't realize how many people with neurological conditions, how many people with severe injuries, how many people could be helped by stem cells.

02:10:52.000 And there's no evidence that they're damaging people.

02:10:56.000 There's no evidence.

02:10:57.000 I mean, look, anytime you have any invasive procedure, anytime you have a surgery, there's always some risk that something can go wrong.

02:11:05.000 There's always a risk in any medical procedure.

02:11:07.000 But there's no outstanding risks versus reward to stem cells.

02:11:12.000 On the contrary, the evidence is outstanding results, including some of the things Dr. Neil Riordan has been doing down in Panama with people that have severe neurological problems, guys that have had CTE, like real, real, real bad fucking, other than just injuries.

02:11:29.000 And then even injuries.

02:11:30.000 Like, my mom had a really bad knee, and I sent her down there, and it got a lot better.

02:11:36.000 I sent it down there twice.

02:11:37.000 A lot better.

02:11:38.000 Mel Gibson, his dad couldn't walk.

02:11:41.000 He was like almost 90.

02:11:43.000 He was like 80 years old.

02:11:44.000 And then he went down, got his hips done, Neil did his shoulders, his hips, a bunch of other stuff, and did Mel as well.

02:11:53.000 And he's just like, no, my dad was like up and walking around like five years later, still.

02:11:59.000 Like he was 10 years younger.

02:12:01.000 He's a great actor, by the way.

02:12:03.000 Oh, Mel?

02:12:04.000 He's the man.

02:12:05.000 I love that guy.

02:12:06.000 He's crazy, too.

02:12:07.000 He's so interesting.

02:12:09.000 That guy's got like a fucking tornado going on in his brain all the time.

02:12:13.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:12:13.000 Really?

02:12:14.000 That's why he's such a good director, man.

02:12:16.000 Did you ever see Apocalypto?

02:12:17.000 Yeah, one of my favorites.

02:12:19.000 All of my favorites.

02:12:20.000 Fucking love that movie.

02:12:22.000 Same.

02:12:22.000 It's one of my favorites.

02:12:23.000 Such a good movie.

02:12:24.000 I love that movie, too.

02:12:25.000 Such a good movie, man.

02:12:26.000 Such a good movie.

02:12:27.000 And that's Mel.

02:12:28.000 Grant ones.

02:12:28.000 I mean, he made a movie where nobody speaks English.

02:12:30.000 And it's a blockbuster.

02:12:30.000 Exactly.

02:12:31.000 It's amazing.

02:12:32.000 It's fucking incredible.

02:12:33.000 It's fucking incredible.

02:12:34.000 I love that one.

02:12:35.000 But I like his old stuff too.

02:12:37.000 Like Braveheart.

02:12:38.000 Braveheart was amazing.

02:12:39.000 And Passion of the Christ was really good, too, man.

02:12:41.000 The Patriot was good.

02:12:42.000 Yeah, dude, he's fucking, he's the real deal, man.

02:12:45.000 Mel Gibson's the real fucking deal.

02:12:46.000 What's the one you think I'm crazy?

02:12:50.000 But I think it's Think Like a Woman.

02:12:52.000 You ever seen that one?

02:12:53.000 I did not.

02:12:53.000 Bro, that is freaking hilarious.

02:12:55.000 What is it?

02:12:56.000 It's like he gets trapped in, like, he can read a woman's mind.

02:13:02.000 And so, because like he's basically a guy, he works, he's a journalist or like a publisher or something like that.

02:13:08.000 And he's very like a womanizer.

02:13:11.000 Like, he gets women and just like, whatever.

02:13:13.000 And they always like talking shit about him behind his back, like everyone else.

02:13:16.000 So now he's trying to move up the ranks.

02:13:18.000 He's supposed to be next in line for a promotion.

02:13:21.000 Well, he has his daughter come in and she leaves the blow dryer and he trips on it and falls in the water, gets electrocuted, and he wakes up and now he can hear all women's thoughts.

02:13:33.000 And it like changes who he is as a person.

02:13:35.000 That's it's amazing.

02:13:38.000 Like she gets his promotion.

02:13:39.000 So now he 2000.

02:13:41.000 Bro, great.

02:13:43.000 Helen Hunt.

02:13:45.000 He's been great in a lot of ways.

02:13:46.000 He was great in that conspiracy theory movie.

02:13:49.000 What's that one?

02:13:50.000 Was it Julia Roberts?

02:13:51.000 Yeah.

02:13:52.000 He was a wacky conspiracy theorist guy.

02:13:56.000 I don't think I've seen that one.

02:13:57.000 It's pretty good.

02:13:57.000 What's called conspiracy theory?

02:13:58.000 Oh, is that what it's called?

02:13:59.000 That's hilarious.

02:14:00.000 I ain't seen that one.

02:14:00.000 And I think a lot of the things that he talked about now, it's like people openly discuss online, you know, because this is all before the internet.

02:14:09.000 What year was that?

02:14:11.000 97.

02:14:11.000 Yeah, so there were no conspiracy theory websites back then.

02:14:15.000 He has another one.

02:14:16.000 He has another one where his wife works, or his daughter.

02:14:19.000 His daughter works for this company.

02:14:19.000 I'm sorry.

02:14:20.000 She comes home, and it's like this, one of those rich companies that hide stuff, but you never can tell because you never have proof.

02:14:26.000 And she's working in a secret department.

02:14:28.000 She comes home all frantic.

02:14:30.000 And the dude yells something, shoots her with a shotgun right on his front door.

02:14:34.000 Boom, kills her.

02:14:35.000 So obviously then he goes and starts trying to figure everything out and he starts figuring out like through the way what the work was doing.

02:14:41.000 And it was like poisoning or something.

02:14:43.000 Anyway, he finds the guy and ends up killing him, but he ends up dying too because he got the poison from wherever he went into the workspace.

02:14:49.000 Like he followed it.

02:14:50.000 He was doing all kinds of shit, but it was super cool, too.

02:14:52.000 What movie is that?

02:14:53.000 I don't know.

02:14:54.000 You know that movie?

02:14:56.000 Where he shoots his daughter on the front step.

02:14:58.000 That was one of the things that sold the movie.

02:15:00.000 That was one of the previews.

02:15:01.000 Well, how about Lethal Weapon?

02:15:02.000 First time we ever saw anybody do a triangle in a movie.

02:15:05.000 True.

02:15:06.000 Right?

02:15:06.000 Yeah.

02:15:06.000 Dude, he's crazy.

02:15:08.000 I like his movies.

02:15:09.000 I love that scene.

02:15:10.000 Like, that scene, I was like, what is he doing?

02:15:12.000 I didn't even know what a triangle was back then.

02:15:14.000 Because I think that was in the 80s.

02:15:15.000 I wasn't even alive.

02:15:18.000 When did Lethal Weapon 1 come out?

02:15:20.000 Edge of Darkness.

02:15:21.000 That's it.

02:15:22.000 Lethal Weapon.

02:15:22.000 I think it's like 87 or 88.

02:15:24.000 Yeah, man.

02:15:25.000 So back then, no one knew what a fucking triangle was, other than the Gracies.

02:15:29.000 People in Brazil knew.

02:15:30.000 Brazil was so far ahead of the curve, man.

02:15:32.000 They were having MMA fights in the 30s.

02:15:34.000 Dude, I went there for my boy Tuco.

02:15:37.000 He fought in the favela, right?

02:15:39.000 And yeah, look at this.

02:15:42.000 Was it Gary Busey who he's fighting in the end?

02:15:45.000 Who was the guy who's fighting in the end?

02:15:46.000 I don't remember.

02:15:47.000 I think it's Gary Busey, right?

02:15:49.000 Yeah, it is Gary Busey.

02:15:51.000 You know he had a headache.

02:16:04.000 Movies in the 80s are so wild, dude.

02:16:14.000 We don't need to watch the whole thing.

02:16:15.000 Let's just cut to the triangle.

02:16:17.000 This is silly.

02:16:18.000 I thought it was coming.

02:16:19.000 I thought so, too.

02:16:22.000 Oh, Gary Busey tried to take it to the ground.

02:16:25.000 Outrageous.

02:16:26.000 Mel got swept so easily.

02:16:28.000 Oh, Mel's on top.

02:16:33.000 Everybody was doing cocaine with their right move.

02:16:35.000 Oh, look at that.

02:16:36.000 He goes right for an arm.

02:16:37.000 Oh, sloppy.

02:16:37.000 Terrible.

02:16:39.000 Terrible left foot.

02:16:40.000 The left leg, like, barely held on there.

02:16:42.000 That was some.

02:16:43.000 There it is.

02:16:44.000 That's not bad.

02:16:45.000 That's pretty good.

02:16:46.000 I like that.

02:16:47.000 Oh, that's not bad at all.

02:16:47.000 He got a good angle.

02:16:48.000 That's tight.

02:16:49.000 He's cinching it up right there.

02:16:50.000 Everybody at home is like, what is happening?

02:16:52.000 Another man put his legs around another man's head.

02:16:55.000 I remember when Hoist Gracie did that to Dan Severin.

02:16:58.000 Everybody was like, what's going on?

02:17:00.000 Like, what is happening?

02:17:01.000 And then all of a sudden you see Dan Severin tap and you're like, what?

02:17:04.000 What happened?

02:17:05.000 What did he do?

02:17:07.000 Put him to sleep.

02:17:10.000 My friend would know better the lineage and stuff, right?

02:17:13.000 That's where he's my intelligence.

02:17:16.000 But we went to Brazil, right, for his fight.

02:17:19.000 He was fighting in the favela at Josie Aldo's gym.

02:17:22.000 I don't remember what.

02:17:23.000 No, yeah.

02:17:24.000 It's like right on the edge of the favela.

02:17:26.000 It's nice, though.

02:17:27.000 Yeah, Andre Putineris.

02:17:28.000 Yeah, he was there.

02:17:29.000 He's awesome.

02:17:29.000 He was super nice.

02:17:30.000 He was super nice.

02:17:31.000 Super hospitable.

02:17:32.000 That's a pioneer, dude.

02:17:34.000 He was fighting MMA in early days.

02:17:34.000 Yes.

02:17:36.000 Barely.

02:17:36.000 Really?

02:17:37.000 Andre Putin.

02:17:37.000 I didn't know that.

02:17:38.000 Oh, my God, man.

02:17:39.000 Yeah.

02:17:40.000 I just know him.

02:17:41.000 We met a lot of great guys, but we were there with Daniel Gracie.

02:17:45.000 And I think it's Henzo's mom.

02:17:48.000 And then his dad, like the whole lineage was there before he passed away.

02:17:52.000 He was there.

02:17:52.000 We went over there and we were sitting on their couch, chilling, hanging out, talking, meeting all of them.

02:17:57.000 And again, I am absolutely god-awful with names, but I knew, like, as soon as he came out of the stairs, he was going somewhere.

02:18:05.000 He had a nice jacket.

02:18:06.000 Was doing an interview with an interview, like a little podcast or something.

02:18:06.000 Oh, no.

02:18:12.000 It was all in Portuguese.

02:18:13.000 I couldn't understand what they were saying, but dude, met him super nice.

02:18:16.000 And then, like, I think it wasn't too long after that he passed away, but like, that's like one of the starts of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

02:18:23.000 Was it Ilio?

02:18:24.000 Was it Carlos who was?

02:18:26.000 I think it was Carlos.

02:18:28.000 I think I don't know.

02:18:29.000 It doesn't matter.

02:18:30.000 It was one of them.

02:18:31.000 I could figure it out, though.

02:18:31.000 Right.

02:18:33.000 But, dude, super nice.

02:18:33.000 Okay.

02:18:34.000 Like, they were all explaining the lineage.

02:18:36.000 And I've been, I started with.

02:18:37.000 What's that, Jamie?

02:18:39.000 Oh, sorry.

02:18:40.000 I started with like Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

02:18:41.000 So, like, I used to know that lineage fairly well, but then you know how life is.

02:18:45.000 You just get away and kind of forget you're not around it as much.

02:18:48.000 Yeah, well, it's a crazy lineage.

02:18:50.000 I mean, that one family is responsible for changing mixed martial arts.

02:18:54.000 Dude, they were telling us so many like cool stories, like things that I had heard through the grapevine, you know, from other people when I was younger.

02:19:01.000 But they confirmed it.

02:19:02.000 And like they were even asking, like, where the beef comes from in the family, you know, like what started that?

02:19:08.000 Exactly what started?

02:19:09.000 Because obviously he was in it.

02:19:10.000 Dude, they translated for us, but he was saying like how it all got started.

02:19:16.000 But beef between what parts of the family?

02:19:18.000 The two beefs that they have.

02:19:20.000 No, it was Carlos and who's the one.

02:19:24.000 One of the brothers went out on their own because he was like, I don't want nothing to do with this part of the family.

02:19:30.000 Was it Horian?

02:19:31.000 Maybe it was.

02:19:32.000 I know that name.

02:19:33.000 They were saying Horian started the UFC.

02:19:35.000 Yeah, it might have been him.

02:19:36.000 And Horian also trained Mel Gibson for this lethal weapon fight scene.

02:19:41.000 There he is.

02:19:42.000 Horrie and Gracie.

02:19:43.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:19:43.000 Horri and Gracie in Playboy magazine challenged Mike Tyson to a no rules fight.

02:19:49.000 See, I don't want to sound stupid, so I don't like to say too many names, but you're going to make me call my friend and ask him when we leave here.

02:19:54.000 Well, Ilio was his father.

02:19:56.000 You know, Hickson's obviously his brother.

02:19:58.000 Hoyce is his brother.

02:19:59.000 Hoyer's his brother.

02:20:00.000 I think Hoyler and Hoyce are half-brothers.

02:20:03.000 Yes, I knew that.

02:20:04.000 They were saying that.

02:20:05.000 But they were just kind of like going over old times and stories.

02:20:08.000 And they were talking about that because apparently, well, Daniel was saying within the family, because he's a Gracie, but I think he's like, it was his mom or something like that.

02:20:22.000 So she's still a Gracie.

02:20:23.000 But anyway, or his, no, his cousin was a Gracie.

02:20:27.000 So technically, like, he's not a real blood Gracie.

02:20:30.000 They tried to explain it.

02:20:30.000 I don't know.

02:20:31.000 It's very weird.

02:20:31.000 But anyway, we were there and they don't talk about it.

02:20:34.000 Like, why there's a divide between this side of the family and this side.

02:20:38.000 And they explained to like even when they were kids, like they would go in and get into it.

02:20:43.000 Like, say you'd go in and you get in a fight in the street, just like maybe you're 12 years old.

02:20:47.000 It started, they said, like, basically that young that, like, there was a divide between whatever one and this one.

02:20:53.000 And because they would go get in a fight and he would come back and rat on them.

02:20:59.000 And he was like, bro, come on.

02:21:01.000 You know, so it started as that young.

02:21:03.000 And he said it was a lot.

02:21:04.000 It wasn't even like, oh, it was just one time.

02:21:06.000 No, like multiple times, you know?

02:21:08.000 So it was just interesting to hear like these stories that these guys had of like when they were young in the streets like fighting in Rio.

02:21:15.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:15.000 I mean, Hickson, there's a video of Hickson fighting somebody on the beach.

02:21:19.000 Yeah, they talk about it.

02:21:20.000 Some Lutilivre guy.

02:21:21.000 He smacks him on the beach.

02:21:22.000 He talks about it.

02:21:23.000 They were talking about it.

02:21:23.000 They're fighting in the sand, scrapping on the beach.

02:21:26.000 Daniel was there for that.

02:21:27.000 Daniel was there.

02:21:28.000 He was the one that brought it up.

02:21:29.000 He was there right now.

02:21:30.000 He said he, they showed a picture of it, and he was right in the back.

02:21:33.000 Hickson has those little surfer shorts on.

02:21:35.000 Yep.

02:21:36.000 Daniel explained how it started.

02:21:38.000 I don't remember that exact details, but dude, it was like...

02:21:42.000 Well, they would dojo storm each other.

02:21:44.000 They would show up at places and challenge like Luta Livre gyms and Luta Livre guys would show up at the Gracie Dojo.

02:21:50.000 Dude, it was like.

02:21:51.000 Yeah, here it is.

02:21:52.000 Look at Hickson with them beautiful colored shorts on.

02:21:55.000 It just smacks him.

02:21:56.000 Like, come on, baby, it's on.

02:21:57.000 And the dude's like, take your shoes off.

02:21:59.000 Come on, let's go.

02:22:01.000 Like, there, hold my shoes.

02:22:05.000 Bro, these were wild times.

02:22:07.000 Yeah.

02:22:07.000 Especially when you take into consideration Hickson's widely considered one of the absolute greatest jiu-jitsu practitioners of all time.

02:22:14.000 You know, and that he was willing to have these kind of fights on the beach in Rio, these no rules fights, just surrounded by dudes.

02:22:22.000 And man, thongs.

02:22:23.000 Yeah.

02:22:24.000 I mean, and not have any striking.

02:22:26.000 Look, see how Hickson's winging punches?

02:22:28.000 These guys had no striking at all.

02:22:30.000 It's really kind of crazy.

02:22:33.000 I mean, not ever saying there's anything wrong with anything that Hickson ever did because he's like one of the greatest of all time.

02:22:38.000 But if you look at the difference between a guy that's just a pure grappler like Hickson, even when he fought in Pride.

02:22:44.000 Remember, he'd come out with this, throw those little stomp kicks, just try to get, he's just getting you to the ground.

02:22:48.000 It's all getting you to the ground.

02:22:50.000 There's no one like that now.

02:22:52.000 No one has very little stand-up.

02:22:55.000 There's no one who fights like that.

02:22:56.000 And it's crazy because there is like so many stories about like Hoyce wasn't even supposed to be the one to fight, you know?

02:23:03.000 He wasn't even supposed to be the one.

02:23:05.000 They were supposed to have the other one.

02:23:07.000 Well, Hickson was always the champion of the family.

02:23:09.000 And Hoyce had always said that the Hickson was 10 times better than him.

02:23:12.000 He said, Hickson, Hickson tapped me every day.

02:23:15.000 Every day I go to the gym.

02:23:16.000 Hickson tapped me.

02:23:17.000 But it's just like, that's just how it was.

02:23:19.000 But there was a lot of rumors.

02:23:21.000 One of the rumors was that, so this is the narrative.

02:23:26.000 Hoyce says it's because he's so beautiful.

02:23:27.000 It's like, look at his face.

02:23:29.000 Of course they picked me.

02:23:29.000 That's what he said on the podcast.

02:23:31.000 It was hilarious because he's so handsome.

02:23:33.000 But Hickson's handsome too.

02:23:34.000 So it didn't make any sense.

02:23:35.000 But it was, I think it was because Hoyce could show that it was the technique.

02:23:41.000 Because like Hickson was shredded.

02:23:43.000 He was pretty jacked, too.

02:23:45.000 He looked like a world champion athlete.

02:23:48.000 Whereas Hoyce looked like a 170-pound guy who was like, you know, not that muscular.

02:23:53.000 And it was just technique.

02:23:54.000 It was him using beautiful jiu-jitsu technique that nobody knew what it was.

02:23:59.000 So it was like the best advertisement ever for jiu-jitsu.

02:24:02.000 When you see a 175-pound guy tapping out Dan Severin, you know, he's this huge wrestler and catching Kimo when he got him in that arm bar.

02:24:09.000 Like all the shit that Hoyce did.

02:24:10.000 Ken Shamrock, when he tapped him.

02:24:12.000 Crazy to watch a guy that's like so much smaller than everybody else dominate everyone and everyone was afraid of him.

02:24:18.000 So it was like the perfect thing.

02:24:20.000 And the thought was, okay, well, if he ever does lose, we always have Hickson.

02:24:25.000 Right.

02:24:25.000 But Hickson went off to Japan and he did Japan Valley Tuto and then he did Pride.

02:24:31.000 And, you know, it was always, there was talk at one point, Tom, of Hickson fighting Fedor.

02:24:37.000 They were throwing money around for Hickson after he fought in that Coliseum show, which I think was in 2000.

02:24:45.000 When did he fight Funaki?

02:24:46.000 When did Hickson fight Funaki?

02:24:48.000 I think it was the year 2000.

02:24:51.000 And they were talking about Hickson fighting Fedor.

02:24:53.000 They had made him an offer, Japan, for him to come over, and he wanted to do it.

02:24:58.000 It never came.

02:24:59.000 I wish you could have heard, like, again, because I'm so bad with names, and my memory is not as good as it used to be.

02:25:05.000 But it's one of my favorite memories from fighting.

02:25:08.000 Look at that.

02:25:09.000 2000.

02:25:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:25:11.000 It's one of my favorite memories from fighting, just sitting there and listening to these guys because the history was freaking insane.

02:25:17.000 The stories were awesome.

02:25:20.000 But like I said, I'm terrible with names, so I'm very bad with like.

02:25:24.000 So look at that.

02:25:24.000 Andre Pedinaris on that card versus Genki Sudo.

02:25:27.000 Sure is.

02:25:28.000 Ended in a draw.

02:25:29.000 And Genki Sudo was a bad motherfucker.

02:25:31.000 That's how good Pedinaris was.

02:25:33.000 I didn't know that.

02:25:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:25:34.000 Pedinaris was legit, man.

02:25:36.000 Very legit.

02:25:36.000 Damn.

02:25:37.000 Very legit.

02:25:38.000 Damn.

02:25:38.000 Yeah, and he was a great coach.

02:25:40.000 I didn't know he fought.

02:25:40.000 He fought in the early, early days.

02:25:43.000 You know, I mean, he might have even fought in extreme combat.

02:25:48.000 Did he fight in extreme combat?

02:25:51.000 He might have, like, that was back in the day when Mario Sperry first burst on the scene.

02:25:55.000 Igor Zanoviev, all these dudes that everybody forgot about.

02:25:55.000 He fought back then.

02:25:59.000 They fought in, that was John Paretti's card.

02:26:02.000 So John Peretti, who was the commentator for the early days of the UFC, then John Peretti went over and started his own organization for a while.

02:26:09.000 Like, I think like sometimes, well, I know, like I said, I'm bad at names, right?

02:26:09.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

02:26:14.000 But it's like, I went and fought in Seattle last year or this year.

02:26:18.000 I fought in Seattle this year.

02:26:20.000 And they did like, there was Amanda Nunez, Robbie Lawler, and there was one more that got inducted into the Hall of Fame this year.

02:26:29.000 And nobody.

02:26:31.000 Could give like really any fights for whoever, whoever the other person was, and not many could give too much for Robbie Lawler.

02:26:40.000 I was like bro, how have you not heard about Robbie?

02:26:42.000 Oh, you mean, they weren't clapping no, like uh.

02:26:44.000 So here it is.

02:26:45.000 Well, let me just go over this real quick.

02:26:46.000 Penaris, his debut, debut fight, valley Tuto Japan, that's what it was.

02:26:51.000 He defeated uh Ruminosato and then uh Pat Meletich for the UFC welterway title, UFC 21.

02:26:59.000 We lost in the second round, technical knockout, and then he fought Cow Uno.

02:27:03.000 He was a savage.

02:27:03.000 I remember that ended in a draw.

02:27:05.000 So Genki Sudo and Kao Uno, two savages, and both of those fights were draws.

02:27:11.000 And um, the last one with Genki Sudo was this last MMA fight.

02:27:14.000 So how many fights did he have?

02:27:15.000 Overall four, four fights, but shit, they're all good.

02:27:20.000 Oh yeah.

02:27:20.000 Yeah, he fought legit guys.

02:27:22.000 Yeah, he beat Ruminasato.

02:27:23.000 You know, Ruminasato man was terrifying back then.

02:27:27.000 Ko soccer kick ko, oh damn yeah.

02:27:30.000 But yeah, it was like um, it was just different man, that time frame is just different.

02:27:35.000 You know well it is uh, it's the birth of the sport and it's it's kind of amazing to have been there at the very beginning and to be able to watch it.

02:27:45.000 You know um, when I, when I I first found out about it, I couldn't believe it was real.

02:27:49.000 I had a bunch of friends that told me about it.

02:27:51.000 I think I I heard about it from dudes at, uh, do you remember Benny Urquitez?

02:27:55.000 No, I don't know.

02:27:55.000 Do you know who he was?

02:27:56.000 Benny The Jet was a famous kickboxer.

02:27:58.000 Now i'm really going back.

02:27:59.000 I feel like I know that name.

02:28:01.000 He was uh, one of the best kickboxers of all time.

02:28:03.000 Um, and this was like way back in the day, like in the early 80s.

02:28:07.000 Benny The Jet was the fucking man in the late 70s and the early 80s and he had this gym in California, in Van Nuys California, called the Jet Center.

02:28:16.000 And when I first moved out to California, there's two places I knew I really had to go.

02:28:19.000 One was the Comedy Store and the other was the JET Center and so I got it.

02:28:23.000 I got to work out at the JET Center and Benny was there and his cousin uh Blinky, he was there and uh, Blinky Rodriguez, who was another elite kickboxer uh, who actually knocked out Genius Terrier, who's like one of the best kickboxers of all time.

02:28:37.000 So it was like this incredible gym, but Benny The Jet, or Kidez, was like, he was early like a pie, like like a the bill Superfoot Walls days, like back in those days, you know, and um, I forget what I was just saying, what I lost my train of thought.

02:28:54.000 What were we just talking about before that?

02:28:58.000 Yeah, you moved to layer yeah yeah yeah, but I had a point.

02:29:01.000 I had a point about these uh, early Mma fighters.

02:29:03.000 Oh, you were saying it's the birth of this, is the birth of the sport.

02:29:07.000 So watching that this, this was, this is my point was watching that, where there was not even leg kicks to watching all, All of a sudden, you see Rick Rufus and he fought that dude from Thailand, like one of the most important fights in the history of martial arts.

02:29:21.000 Because you get to see that dude from Thailand, just chop Rick Rufus' legs apart.

02:29:25.000 And then Rick and Duke both learned from that and said, okay, we got to incorporate that into our game.

02:29:30.000 Duke becomes a world Muay Thai champion after that, which is like it changed.

02:29:34.000 And then Duke becomes one of the best MMA coaches ever.

02:29:36.000 So it changes the entire course of the sport.

02:29:39.000 And when I got into it and started watching it in, that's what it was.

02:29:45.000 So the Jet Center, one of the guys from the Jet Center was like, you got to see this thing.

02:29:48.000 It's called the UFC.

02:29:49.000 This is in 94.

02:29:50.000 I was like, what?

02:29:51.000 What is it?

02:29:51.000 It was a UFC 2.

02:29:53.000 Like, I didn't even see UFC 1.

02:29:55.000 I saw UFC 2 because that was the only one that was available on VHS.

02:29:58.000 So I watched UFC 2 and I was like, this is crazy.

02:30:01.000 I'm like, how is this guy doing this?

02:30:04.000 And I was like, oh my God, how is everybody so vulnerable to this one guy?

02:30:07.000 Like, this is nuts.

02:30:08.000 So I was like, I got to train jiu-jitsu.

02:30:10.000 And watching all of these people from that, that era and watching the level of the competition at that era and what the fights looked like versus today, there's not another sport on earth where you could see a gigantic difference between 1994 and 2025.

02:30:31.000 Like a gigantic difference where it's unrecognizable.

02:30:35.000 Like that kid that you were talking about before, the 18-year-old kid, what's his name again?

02:30:38.000 Ansar.

02:30:38.000 That guy would have been a world champion.

02:30:40.000 Easy.

02:30:41.000 A world champion.

02:30:42.000 Like no one would have fucked with him.

02:30:44.000 We would have said, this is the greatest fighter that's ever walked the face of the planet.

02:30:47.000 And he's a kid that's on undercards of small regional shows now, right?

02:30:52.000 How crazy is that?

02:30:53.000 So like when you're seeing these guys in the Dana White contender series, some of these guys coming up, I'm watching them fight for their first fight in the contender series.

02:31:00.000 I'm like, this guy looks like he'd be fighting for the title.

02:31:02.000 Like they're complete fighters.

02:31:04.000 They're fast.

02:31:05.000 They have good technique.

02:31:06.000 Everything they're doing is smart.

02:31:07.000 It's like the level has changed so much in just a short period of time.

02:31:12.000 And I feel so lucky to be able to see the whole thing.

02:31:15.000 I saw the whole thing, like from the ground floor to today.

02:31:18.000 It's crazy because you probably hear it all the time, right?

02:31:22.000 Like I was probably watching Fear Factor before I knew at the UFC.

02:31:26.000 So when I saw the UFC, I was like, dad, look, it's him.

02:31:30.000 He was like, he looks at me because obviously my dad's seen it before.

02:31:33.000 He's like, yeah, son, he's been around a while.

02:31:35.000 You know, he's been in the UFC.

02:31:37.000 I don't even know if it was longer, but I'm sure it was.

02:31:39.000 Yeah, I started working for the UFC in 97.

02:31:41.000 So he was like, he's always been there.

02:31:43.000 So then, obviously, as I get older, I start seeing history and looking at old fights and older fights.

02:31:48.000 And I noticed you there the whole time.

02:31:51.000 And like, me and my friend Tuco had these conversations.

02:31:53.000 But I was like, bro, Joe's a real one, though.

02:31:57.000 He's been here the whole time.

02:31:58.000 Like, how awesome does that have to be for like you, Dana, Frititas, and probably a few others, too, that nobody knows that have seen this thing grow from what it was to what it is today.

02:32:09.000 Oh, it's amazing.

02:32:10.000 It's got to be.

02:32:11.000 It's amazing.

02:32:12.000 Yeah, I feel so lucky.

02:32:14.000 I'm so fortunate.

02:32:15.000 Like, it's one of the things I look forward to more than anything in life.

02:32:18.000 And like you see UFC weekend, I'm like, oh boy, here we go.

02:32:21.000 I get so excited.

02:32:22.000 I've been doing this forever.

02:32:23.000 I still, I started UFC 12 in 1997.

02:32:27.000 That was the first fight that I ever did backstage interviews.

02:32:30.000 That's what I did.

02:32:30.000 Or post-fight interviews too.

02:32:32.000 I think I started doing interviews backstage and then I interviewed guys after the fight was over.

02:32:36.000 That was early.

02:32:38.000 How did you start there?

02:32:40.000 It was a crazy fluke.

02:32:42.000 So I was already doing jiu-jitsu.

02:32:44.000 I was at Carlson Gracie's.

02:32:45.000 This is back before Vitor made his debut.

02:32:47.000 I was training at Vitor's with Vitor's gym with Mario Sperry.

02:32:52.000 I took lessons from Mario Sperry when I was a white belt.

02:32:55.000 It was awesome, dude.

02:32:55.000 Marilla Bustamante was there all the time.

02:32:59.000 There was a ton of the Carlson Gracie killers, you know, the two bulldogs, you know, fighting each other.

02:33:05.000 And Carlson was there every day.

02:33:07.000 So I got to train there when I was on news radio, the sitcom.

02:33:12.000 So it was just like 1996.

02:33:15.000 And I just loved that there was this was before Vitor fought in the UFC.

02:33:19.000 So he, while he was training at the gym with us, he went and fought this guy, John Hess.

02:33:24.000 John Hess was this big tall.

02:33:25.000 He fought in the UFC as well, I believe.

02:33:27.000 I believe he did.

02:33:28.000 John Hess was this, he had a style called SAFTA.

02:33:32.000 I forget what it was about, but it was like back then, dudes would just like make up their own style, street fighting, artistic, finger fucking.

02:33:38.000 You know, they would make up some sort of a fucking acronym.

02:33:42.000 But Vitor blitzed across the ring.

02:33:45.000 He was 19 years old and just lit this guy up like a machine gun, like got him down, like put him out on the ground.

02:33:54.000 Like it was so crazy and so fast.

02:33:56.000 The most ferocious display of ground and pound I had ever seen in my life at the time.

02:34:00.000 And I was like, this is crazy.

02:34:02.000 And so just randomly, they had a guy who was doing the post-fight interviews and they wanted to get a new guy.

02:34:10.000 And they were looking for people.

02:34:12.000 And the guy, Campbell McLaren, who was the producer of the UFC, happened to be friends with my manager from the comedy club days.

02:34:20.000 Campbell used to work at a comedy club with my manager.

02:34:22.000 And they were just shooting the shit over the phone.

02:34:24.000 He goes, Hey, I'm looking for someone to do interviews for the UFC.

02:34:29.000 Do you know anybody that'd be interested?

02:34:30.000 He goes, Joe is a huge fan.

02:34:32.000 He's like, Joe watches every one of them.

02:34:34.000 I actually got direct TV just so I could watch the UFC because that's when it was banned from cable.

02:34:38.000 So I got my cable removed and I got direct TV put in my house just so I could watch the UFC because it was the only way you could catch it.

02:34:45.000 And then it was no money.

02:34:48.000 And I was supposed to fly to New York, but then the last minute it got canceled.

02:34:51.000 They made it illegal in New York.

02:34:53.000 And we had to fly to Dothan, Alabama on a fucking propeller plane.

02:34:58.000 I shared a propeller plane with Randy Couture.

02:35:03.000 And actually, that was later.

02:35:06.000 Later, that was in Louisiana.

02:35:07.000 I shared a propeller plane with Randy Couture.

02:35:09.000 Randy didn't fight then.

02:35:10.000 But it was Vitor made his debut against Trey Telligman, and everybody thought he was a jiu-jitsu guy because he was from Carlson Gracie.

02:35:18.000 He had a black belt.

02:35:20.000 And he just came out just throwing missiles, just missiles so fast.

02:35:26.000 Like nobody had seen anything like that.

02:35:28.000 And he was only like 200 pounds back then.

02:35:30.000 He was light and fast and strong as shit.

02:35:33.000 And then he fought Scott Ferrozo and took him out in the final.

02:35:37.000 So he won this heavyweight tournament.

02:35:39.000 And that was 1997.

02:35:41.000 That's crazy.

02:35:42.000 That was the third person I was trying to think of when I was in Seattle.

02:35:45.000 So basically what happened, UFC was asking fighters, hey, these three guys, they weren't saying they were getting inducted, but obviously if you've been around.

02:35:53.000 It was Vitor?

02:35:53.000 It was Vitor, Amanda Nunez, and Robbie Lawler.

02:35:57.000 They weren't cheering for Vitor.

02:35:59.000 No, they were asking the fighters, right?

02:36:01.000 They were asking the fighters, hey, do you know who these guys are?

02:36:05.000 If you do, what's your most memorable moment of them?

02:36:09.000 What was your favorite moment?

02:36:10.000 Like anything like that, right?

02:36:11.000 Because obviously they put it on the montage when they announce it.

02:36:14.000 Right.

02:36:15.000 And they told me that only me and two other fighters on the entire card could give a fight from Vitor.

02:36:23.000 I was like, no way.

02:36:26.000 I was like, that highlight that you're talking about when he sprints across, ding, ding, ding, ding.

02:36:29.000 Even if you don't know the person, how do you not see that highlight?

02:36:32.000 When he did that to Vanderlay, remember we did that.

02:36:34.000 That's the one I said.

02:36:35.000 That's what I said.

02:36:36.000 That was my Vanderlay.

02:36:37.000 Was that one?

02:36:37.000 That was crazy, but I think the scariest Vitor of all time was TRT Vitor.

02:36:43.000 TRT Vitor was the scariest fucking human being that ever stepped into that cage.

02:36:47.000 If they never banned TRT, I think that guy would have been a terror for every fucking human being that weighed 185 pounds.

02:36:56.000 For sure.

02:36:56.000 The way he wheel kicked Luke Rockhold, like, what the fuck are we looking at, man?

02:37:01.000 We never saw him throw a wheel kick in his whole career.

02:37:03.000 All of a sudden, he's wheel kicking guys in the head.

02:37:05.000 He comes in the gym, like, because obviously they live in Florida.

02:37:08.000 He comes in the gym and he is the nicest guy.

02:37:10.000 By the way, come here, come here.

02:37:12.000 Very nice guy.

02:37:13.000 Hey, I think I think you need to slow down a little bit.

02:37:13.000 Let's talk about it.

02:37:17.000 These 100% every days, no good, brother.

02:37:20.000 He said, why don't you come?

02:37:22.000 We can have some coffee, have lunch, and let's talk about it.

02:37:25.000 I love the science behind the sport.

02:37:28.000 But super nice guy, right?

02:37:28.000 Wow.

02:37:29.000 Like, those are conversations that I had with him.

02:37:31.000 And if I see him, great guy.

02:37:33.000 Before this, never had a conversation with him.

02:37:35.000 Only watched him on TV, you know?

02:37:37.000 But that was like the first interaction I ever had with Vitor as a person.

02:37:40.000 I don't know if he knew who I was.

02:37:42.000 He just watched me spar and then come to me after.

02:37:44.000 That was it.

02:37:45.000 That's very nice of him.

02:37:46.000 Yeah, super nice guy.

02:37:47.000 He's a real OG like him that's been, again, fighting since 1997, 1997.

02:37:53.000 That's almost 30 years.

02:37:55.000 That's literally crazy.

02:37:56.000 Dude, it hurt my heart when they said that people didn't like know, couldn't like say fights for him.

02:38:00.000 Couldn't even say a highlight.

02:38:02.000 It's hard.

02:38:02.000 You know, these young guys, a lot of them, they're 25 years old.

02:38:05.000 They're 24 years old.

02:38:06.000 They didn't watch this, Joshua Van.

02:38:08.000 24, right?

02:38:09.000 Like, didn't watch the sport a lot before they were involved in it.

02:38:13.000 And the fights that they've really seen a lot of have been the last few years.

02:38:16.000 Yeah.

02:38:16.000 And that's what Josh Van, that's why I said his name.

02:38:18.000 He's younger, but he says the same thing because they were like, why do you think Pentosha's the goat?

02:38:22.000 He's like, I know Demetrius Johnson is what everyone says.

02:38:24.000 He was like, but I never got to see him.

02:38:27.000 You know, like, I was too young.

02:38:29.000 That's crazy, too.

02:38:30.000 Go watch.

02:38:30.000 It's online.

02:38:31.000 Yeah.

02:38:32.000 Go see him.

02:38:33.000 YouTube's free, bro.

02:38:34.000 You're the champ now, Joshua.

02:38:35.000 Go back and watch Mighty Mouse.

02:38:37.000 Because that motherfucker was extraordinary.

02:38:39.000 He was.

02:38:40.000 Mighty Mouse in his time was extraordinary.

02:38:42.000 He was so special when he fought that big Brazilian kid and won.

02:38:45.000 Right.

02:38:45.000 Uh-huh.

02:38:46.000 He lost one and then he beat him twice.

02:38:47.000 He lost the first time in one championship and then he got KO'd and then KO'd him the exact same way.

02:38:51.000 It was really.

02:38:53.000 Yeah.

02:38:53.000 I didn't know it was the same thing.

02:38:54.000 They both got KO'd with knees and both got KO'd against the cage with knees.

02:38:58.000 It was literally like almost the exact same, except Demetrius's was more autistic.

02:39:02.000 It was beautiful.

02:39:04.000 The flow where he was like chasing him.

02:39:06.000 He rocked him and then he's chasing him down.

02:39:08.000 He's like, not yet.

02:39:09.000 There it is.

02:39:10.000 And he just launches and catches him with this.

02:39:12.000 You've seen it, right?

02:39:13.000 Yeah, I seen it.

02:39:14.000 I didn't know it was the same way.

02:39:14.000 Oh, my God.

02:39:15.000 What is that dude's name?

02:39:16.000 The dude he KO'd Andre, I don't know.

02:39:21.000 Search Demetrius Johnson flying knee KO 1 FC.

02:39:26.000 I bet you'll find it.

02:39:29.000 Yeah, Adriano Moraes.

02:39:31.000 That's it.

02:39:32.000 And Moraes is good, dude.

02:39:34.000 He's really big.

02:39:34.000 He's really good.

02:39:35.000 And 1FC's got that squirrely weight-cutting jazz.

02:39:40.000 So this is the second fight after Moraes had KO'd him in the first fight.

02:39:44.000 And also, this is a DJ that's probably 35 years old, right?

02:39:47.000 Right.

02:39:48.000 I mean, and after a long career in the UFC, widely recognized as the greatest flyweight of all time in the UFC.

02:39:55.000 And to me, like, he just didn't get the love that he deserved when he was in his prime because he was 125 pounds.

02:40:02.000 And for whatever reason, I mean, it's not like it's not even more interesting to watch.

02:40:08.000 Like, but people have this weird thing like a heavyweight could beat anywhere anyone in the world.

02:40:13.000 125-pound guy will dump him on his head.

02:40:16.000 Stop.

02:40:16.000 Watch him fight.

02:40:18.000 Boom.

02:40:18.000 Right there.

02:40:19.000 But back it up back.

02:40:20.000 Back it up a second so you can see the sequence.

02:40:22.000 Look, right hand.

02:40:23.000 Timing.

02:40:24.000 Perfect.

02:40:24.000 Boom.

02:40:25.000 The timing is just so beautiful.

02:40:28.000 That's so, look, that's fucking artistic, man.

02:40:31.000 That is so artistic.

02:40:32.000 It's perfect.

02:40:33.000 And to KO a guy with the shit he KO'd you with in the first fight is wild.

02:40:37.000 i don't know much about like demetrius as a person but from what i've seen of him obviously because you see more now that he's on like uh doing his like streaming and stuff he is like he's the best He's the definition of a martial artist, too.

02:40:50.000 He cares about the pureness of being a martial artist rather than the views or the belt or any of that.

02:40:55.000 I respect that a lot.

02:40:56.000 Talking stupid shit just to get attention.

02:40:58.000 He hates people that do that kind of stuff.

02:41:00.000 He hates disrespectful stuff.

02:41:02.000 He's such a nice guy, but also just so smart about his approach to the sport.

02:41:07.000 Just so clever inside the cage and also so fucking fast, man.

02:41:12.000 Dude, one time I grabbed him just being silly at a UFC.

02:41:17.000 He was in front of me and I put my arms around him like from behind, you know, like saying hi to somebody.

02:41:21.000 Yeah.

02:41:22.000 He looked at me.

02:41:22.000 And he turned around.

02:41:23.000 He hit me with two knees to the body, like just touched me.

02:41:23.000 He goes, ta-da!

02:41:27.000 It was so fast.

02:41:28.000 I was like, dude, that was so scary.

02:41:30.000 You hit me so fast.

02:41:32.000 I didn't even see them coming.

02:41:33.000 It was like, they just like just.

02:41:36.000 Moved like a cat.

02:41:38.000 And, you know, like you said, he was probably 35 or whatever there.

02:41:41.000 He could still compete with the best in the world.

02:41:42.000 With the best in the world.

02:41:43.000 Yeah, and juice free too.

02:41:45.000 Juice free with the best in the world.

02:41:46.000 And by the way, over there, I don't know what kind of drug test they're doing, but it's probably multiple choice.

02:41:55.000 There's a lot of them organizations where you're like, how hard are you testing, really?

02:42:00.000 Man, it's a multiple choice.

02:42:01.000 You know, because like if you're not testing all throughout camp randomly, you're not really testing.

02:42:08.000 Because we have to remember that Aleister Overeem, when he fought Brock Lesnar, was tested.

02:42:14.000 And that is the juiciest man that's ever walked the face of planet Earth.

02:42:19.000 The Aleister Overem that fought Brock Lesnar is the juiciest guy I've ever seen fight.

02:42:23.000 It was horse meat.

02:42:24.000 And I wish he could keep juicing.

02:42:26.000 I do.

02:42:27.000 I think we would have seen, we've seen a different result.

02:42:30.000 If you let Alistair stay juicy and stay 265 with world-class kickboxing skills.

02:42:38.000 And also, he was so jacked that he could kind of hide from punches because when he would shell up, especially in K1 when he had those big gloves, bro, when he would shell up.

02:42:49.000 So he's got biceps and shoulders and then traps.

02:42:52.000 Everything's all protected.

02:42:54.000 And he's got that high guard and he's coming in like this, throwing bombs.

02:42:58.000 And he looks like a superhero.

02:43:00.000 He looks like a guy from a fucking comic book.

02:43:02.000 Yeah, let's just let everyone juice.

02:43:03.000 If you want to juice, just everyone juice.

02:43:05.000 Let's make it an even playing field instead of, let's try to catch who's not or let's catch who's juicing.

02:43:10.000 Would you if they if they just opened the gates?

02:43:12.000 Okay.

02:43:13.000 Okay.

02:43:14.000 I'll start it off by saying yes.

02:43:16.000 When I was younger, I was like, no, I never juice.

02:43:19.000 I want to be all natural to show everything.

02:43:21.000 Like, show I'm just that good.

02:43:23.000 Then I was like, as I got older and seen it, I was like, nah, I would.

02:43:30.000 But that's like, I remember I fought Eric Andrews for LFA, right?

02:43:35.000 And they have pictures of him on the scale the day of the fight, 222, 223, one of them two, right?

02:43:42.000 I'm stepping in.

02:43:43.000 I don't even really cut.

02:43:43.000 I'm stepping in like 194.

02:43:45.000 I'm young.

02:43:46.000 I don't cut really anything.

02:43:48.000 That time I did cut a lot.

02:43:49.000 That was the first fight I cut a lot for because I was lifting like crazy and I wasn't really doing nothing else because I was in Louisiana.

02:43:55.000 I used to train with Rich Clementi.

02:43:57.000 Okay.

02:43:58.000 Yeah, so you know he's crazy as hell.

02:44:01.000 So I was training there, but I was lifting more than anything.

02:44:03.000 But anyway, I was probably like 196-ish, 197.

02:44:06.000 No more than 200 for sure.

02:44:08.000 No questions asked.

02:44:09.000 And dude, they come in the back that night and they're like, hey, we're drug testing you.

02:44:16.000 I said, what?

02:44:17.000 He said, yeah, yeah, we're going to drug test you.

02:44:19.000 It's random.

02:44:19.000 I said, well, if it's random, is he getting drug tested too?

02:44:22.000 They're like, nah.

02:44:24.000 I said, oh, so you're telling me the man who's weighing over 220 and just weighed 185 exact yesterday is not getting tested, but the guy who's only weighing like 14, whatever pounds more is getting tested.

02:44:38.000 I pulled up my shirt.

02:44:39.000 I said, does it look like I'm on fucking steroids?

02:44:41.000 Does it look like it?

02:44:42.000 I said, give me some credit, bro.

02:44:44.000 If I was going to take it, I promise you I would look like it.

02:44:47.000 And they're like, I'm sorry, bro, but this is, it's just our job.

02:44:50.000 I was like, all right, let's go get it done.

02:44:52.000 Why did you randomly test only a few people on the roster?

02:44:55.000 That has to be like a budget thing.

02:44:57.000 That has to be a budget thing.

02:44:58.000 Texas Commission.

02:45:00.000 But that must be like they don't want to spend money on everybody.

02:45:00.000 That's crazy.

02:45:03.000 I don't know.

02:45:05.000 It just has one guy in the card.

02:45:06.000 You should have to test everybody.

02:45:07.000 Yeah, I think it was a total of three or four guys, what they said that they tested on the whole card.

02:45:12.000 If you're testing a guy, you have to test his opponent.

02:45:14.000 Dude, you have to.

02:45:15.000 That's crazy.

02:45:17.000 I still, to this day, I laugh at that.

02:45:18.000 I'm like, come on, bro.

02:45:19.000 Every time someone asked me, like, hey, come on, bro.

02:45:23.000 There were a few fights where they stopped.

02:45:24.000 They wouldn't let a guy fight because in the TRT days, they did test to see what people's levels are.

02:45:31.000 And one guy, I don't want to say his name, but one guy was so high that they canceled the main event.

02:45:36.000 Yeah.

02:45:36.000 They canceled the main event at the weigh-in.

02:45:36.000 Really?

02:45:38.000 Yeah.

02:45:39.000 Wow.

02:45:39.000 Yeah.

02:45:40.000 I didn't know that.

02:45:41.000 He was so juicy.

02:45:42.000 They were worried that he was going to die.

02:45:43.000 They were like, you could, like, your levels are whatever you fucking did, you should not be fighting with this level of testosterone in your system.

02:45:52.000 Did you also on TRT?

02:45:53.000 So it wasn't like this guy's just some genetic freak like yo Romero coming out of the Cuban sports program.

02:45:59.000 No, it wasn't.

02:46:00.000 He's a special human, too.

02:46:01.000 That's a special human.

02:46:02.000 Do you ever heard of a guy, Clovis, I think Clovis Hancock?

02:46:02.000 Yeah.

02:46:07.000 He died in the fight.

02:46:09.000 I think it was for Legacy or LFA.

02:46:12.000 I fought him.

02:46:14.000 Then his next fight, he died in the cage and they brought him back.

02:46:19.000 Whoa.

02:46:20.000 Yeah, CPR.

02:46:21.000 It was all over the internet.

02:46:22.000 I fought that dude.

02:46:23.000 I was like, no way.

02:46:24.000 I saw the next day.

02:46:25.000 I've seen it.

02:46:26.000 Like, yeah, they had to give him CPR till the ambulance got him loaded up and taken to the hospital.

02:46:32.000 So his heart just stopped beating?

02:46:33.000 Wow.

02:46:34.000 Obviously, never allowed to fight again.

02:46:36.000 Obviously, yeah.

02:46:37.000 Yeah, man.

02:46:38.000 Crazy.

02:46:39.000 Oh, my God.

02:46:40.000 He probably did, bro.

02:46:41.000 He was funny.

02:46:42.000 Some guys just have that dog in them.

02:46:44.000 Cyborg wanted to fight again after he got his skull crushed by MVP.

02:46:44.000 They don't care.

02:46:48.000 Yeah, he thought he was going to fight again after that.

02:46:48.000 No way.

02:46:50.000 So here it is.

02:46:52.000 Can you imagine being in the audience watching that?

02:46:54.000 They're doing fucking CPR on a dude.

02:46:58.000 Oh, my God.

02:46:58.000 That's so scary.

02:46:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:46:59.000 I remember he was the cutman for it's crazy.

02:47:04.000 Well, thank God they have those EMTs on standby.

02:47:07.000 And, you know, these organizations, they do their very best to screen people and make sure that they're as healthy as possible.

02:47:13.000 The UFC does a real good job with that.

02:47:14.000 Five minutes.

02:47:15.000 Yeah, dead for five minutes.

02:47:16.000 Dead for five minutes.

02:47:17.000 The cutman was the guy that was giving him CPR.

02:47:19.000 It wasn't even the EMTs.

02:47:21.000 Oh, my God.

02:47:22.000 Thank God the cutman knew it.

02:47:23.000 Yeah.

02:47:24.000 Holy shit, dude.

02:47:24.000 CPR.

02:47:26.000 Yeah, crazy.

02:47:27.000 Well, you know, reminds you, this is not a game.

02:47:31.000 For sure.

02:47:31.000 It's a crazy ass fucking sport.

02:47:33.000 So what's next for you?

02:47:34.000 Do they have you lined up for anything?

02:47:34.000 Do you know?

02:47:37.000 No.

02:47:38.000 I've been pushing.

02:47:39.000 Hopefully, Drickus, hopefully, March, April at the latest.

02:47:44.000 So do you need that much time to prepare?

02:47:46.000 Or is that how you'd like to?

02:47:48.000 Yeah, I just kind of also started training again today, matter of fact.

02:47:54.000 So training excited about fighting you.

02:47:56.000 Huh?

02:47:57.000 Maybe that'll get him excited about fighting.

02:47:58.000 You know, that's a trap.

02:47:59.000 Maybe that's a trap.

02:48:00.000 If I was Drickus, I'm like, this motherfucker probably has a full six-pack.

02:48:02.000 If he takes his shirt off, he probably rips it.

02:48:04.000 Six pack of rolls.

02:48:05.000 He's ready to go.

02:48:06.000 He's just bullshitting, saying he hasn't been training to goad me into a fight.

02:48:10.000 Yeah, man.

02:48:11.000 So Drickus is the guy that you're hoping for.

02:48:13.000 Yes, sir.

02:48:14.000 And it makes sense.

02:48:15.000 Like, it's just the right time.

02:48:17.000 Like I said, Imavolve is going to wait for the champion.

02:48:19.000 He earned his spot.

02:48:20.000 They just announced Fluffy and Sean.

02:48:23.000 So what's left?

02:48:24.000 It's just me and him.

02:48:25.000 It's a good fight, too.

02:48:26.000 It would be a great fight to watch.

02:48:28.000 And a good fight, you know, for you, obviously, fighting former champion, you know, and his next.

02:48:34.000 And for Drickus, it's like that's the kind of fight you need at this point.

02:48:39.000 You know, you need to turn back the young lions.

02:48:41.000 I've been trying to fight him since he got into the UFC.

02:48:44.000 I just felt like I still feel this way.

02:48:45.000 I feel like he's the luckiest guy I've ever seen.

02:48:48.000 Like, don't get me wrong.

02:48:48.000 He does have a couple fights now.

02:48:50.000 But before he got the belt, I always said, like, he's the luckiest guy.

02:48:53.000 Like, Marcus Perez was beating his ass.

02:48:57.000 Marcus Perez wanted to do something crazy and went to throw a spinning elbow.

02:49:02.000 Jerkis was throwing a body shot when he was throwing the spin elbow and he hit him right in the mouth.

02:49:06.000 Jerkis hit Marcus right in the mouth out.

02:49:10.000 I don't think you can call that lucky.

02:49:11.000 I don't know.

02:49:12.000 I know what you're saying, but he finds a way to win.

02:49:15.000 The dude's a dog.

02:49:16.000 He is a dog.

02:49:17.000 He finds a way to win.

02:49:18.000 You know, I mean, think about some of them fights that were just like the Otis on your fight.

02:49:22.000 Like, he just kept kept coming and found a way to win.

02:49:26.000 Yeah.

02:49:26.000 The right thing.

02:49:26.000 I do like that guy.

02:49:27.000 I think that's the first fight where we took Whitaker out in the first round.

02:49:28.000 You can't.

02:49:29.000 This is no.

02:49:29.000 No, no, I didn't.

02:49:30.000 You're right.

02:49:31.000 That one's, I don't see luck in that one.

02:49:33.000 There's a lot of fun.

02:49:33.000 I think that was a great strategy.

02:49:34.000 He's a fucking animal, dude.

02:49:36.000 Yeah, he, I love that's honestly.

02:49:37.000 Like, we can say whatever we want about each other.

02:49:39.000 He can joke, talk shit, whatever the case.

02:49:42.000 But I love the fight because I know he's coming to fight.

02:49:47.000 Like, he's coming to kill.

02:49:48.000 For sure.

02:49:49.000 I love that.

02:49:50.000 I don't want a guy that's.

02:49:51.000 Like, I've had him, but I don't like the guys that just want to hug.

02:49:54.000 Like, he's trying to hurt me.

02:49:57.000 I love that.

02:49:57.000 Like, that nervousness brings out the best version of me because I'm nervous.

02:50:01.000 Like, who's not nervous of another man that's going to, he's trying to hurt me.

02:50:05.000 And his, to me, one of his best attributes is exactly what you said.

02:50:10.000 Like, he, you describe it as he finds a way to win.

02:50:13.000 Like, that's a great way.

02:50:15.000 For me, I'm just like, that dude can dig deep.

02:50:18.000 Same exact thing.

02:50:19.000 In the Hamzat fight.

02:50:20.000 Even in the Hamzat fight.

02:50:21.000 Remember the fifth round?

02:50:22.000 Yep.

02:50:23.000 Fifth round, he's on top, dropping bombs on Hamzat at one point in time.

02:50:27.000 It was a little too late, and he didn't get him out of there, but he was not giving up.

02:50:31.000 Yeah.

02:50:32.000 He just was getting dominated.

02:50:33.000 That's a difference.

02:50:34.000 For sure.

02:50:34.000 He was still trying to find a way to win.

02:50:36.000 But I love that.

02:50:37.000 That motivates me by itself.

02:50:39.000 I love hearing that.

02:50:40.000 I want a guy that's going to try to come kill me because what's the worst that's going to happen?

02:50:43.000 He knocks me out.

02:50:45.000 Okay.

02:50:46.000 Okay.

02:50:47.000 Like, that's what we came to do anyway.

02:50:48.000 Any man could do it.

02:50:49.000 I've had, I've been TKO'd before.

02:50:51.000 Like, all right, cool.

02:50:53.000 But I can do it to you too.

02:50:55.000 You know, so that's what I love that aspect of the fight.

02:50:58.000 That's my favorite thing.

02:50:59.000 That's what motivates me about the fight more than the number.

02:51:02.000 The danger.

02:51:03.000 Yeah, I like that.

02:51:05.000 And I feel like I really, truly haven't had that in a while.

02:51:09.000 Like, a true, like, some guys look at it as a sport and some guys really mean it.

02:51:14.000 Like, I'm trying to hurt you.

02:51:16.000 And I like that.

02:51:17.000 Like, it brings that out in me too.

02:51:18.000 Cause like I'm trying to hurt you.

02:51:19.000 All right.

02:51:20.000 You're going to try to hurt me.

02:51:21.000 I'm going to try to hurt you.

02:51:22.000 Or, you know, I don't know.

02:51:24.000 But that's just how I look at the fight.

02:51:25.000 And it really excites me.

02:51:27.000 Like, that's that demonic side of me coming out.

02:51:29.000 Like, let's see.

02:51:31.000 I'm ready.

02:51:32.000 Well, I love hearing that.

02:51:33.000 And I love the fight.

02:51:34.000 I hope you get it.

02:51:35.000 Thank you.

02:51:36.000 And thanks for being here, man.

02:51:37.000 It was great talking to you.

02:51:38.000 Let everybody know how they can find you on social.

02:51:41.000 Yeah.

02:51:42.000 On Instagram at Brendan Allen 185 or B underscore Allen 185.

02:51:48.000 And that's really where I'd be.

02:51:50.000 I'm just kind of chill.

02:51:51.000 All right, brother.

02:51:51.000 I'm low-key.

02:51:52.000 Well, hopefully, next time I'll talk to you, it's after a victory.

02:51:55.000 Yes, sir.

02:51:55.000 Thank you for having me.

02:51:56.000 It's such a pleasure being here with all you guys.

02:51:58.000 My pleasure.

02:51:58.000 Thank you so much.

02:51:59.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 09, 2025

JRE MMA Show #171 with Brendan Allen

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