00:04:55.000Because I felt like, man, if you retired after the Spence fight, I don't think people that are casuals would really appreciate your skill set.
00:05:04.000You know, the people inside boxing, the people that really know boxing did, but I felt like too many of the casuals just talk so much shit.
00:05:13.000And so the Canelo fight was the cherry on top of the Sunday.
00:05:50.000There's always going to be a bunch of sideline people that talk a lot of shit.
00:05:54.000But, you know, for a lot of fighters, it's later in their career, especially when they're avoided or they have difficulty signing big fights.
00:06:03.000It's later in their career that people really appreciate them.
00:07:34.000You know, I just think Canelo, in a sense, he know how big Benavide is going to come in the ring.
00:07:43.000You know, Benavidez is a great fighter, you know, but he's a big fighter.
00:07:48.000He's a tall fighter, you know, and I just think Canelo knows, like, why would I want to get in the ring with this guy that's going to be massive come fight time?
00:10:55.000And when he lands it, he puts people in a lot of trouble.
00:10:58.000And he just, there was this one move that you were doing where you were throwing a left hand and then a quick hook behind it before you even brought the hand back.
00:11:10.000So he was going to counter and you were throwing a quick hook.
00:13:18.000You know, so he probably said, listen, if I just keep moving, I can get out of here with my dignity intact and just never get hit real good.
00:14:47.000So when people compare me to like Sugar Ray Robinson and Floyd Mayweather and Sugar Ray Leonard, comparing me to who will win, who will win, that just let me know that I did my job well in the sport.
00:15:19.000I won my first title in 2014, March of 2014.
00:15:24.000Ever since then, I've been fighting for titles, undisputed titles, undisputed, undisputed, titles, undisputed, like just everything that I've been fighting for.
00:15:35.000Now I just come back and it's just like, all right, what's the motivation?
00:16:20.000What was on the line coming from where I came from, all the odds that was stacked against me, all the things that I had to go through and camp and camp to get to that fight, you know, it was just like, man, you did everything right.
00:16:40.000I love when fighters go out on top like that.
00:16:42.000And for you, for a fighter to go out like you have with all your championship experience, all the weight classes you competed in, undefeated, and beat Canelo, another all-time great.
00:16:54.000I mean, that is a perfect finale for a spectacular career.
00:17:21.000You know, we put our body through a lot.
00:17:23.000And then when it's all said and done, when our body broke down to the point where we can't take care of ourselves, they don't care about us.
00:17:33.000They're going to say, oh, well, he was once a good champion.
00:18:14.000That's such a good lesson for young fighters to see too: to see a guy like yourself be fully dedicated, so disciplined, get through the whole thing, get out on top and done.
00:18:50.000I mean, because they miss that high of all the fans chanting their name and everybody, you know, cameras, lights, and, you know, they miss it, you know.
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00:22:47.000And for young fighters, it's such a good thing to watch.
00:22:51.000It's so good for young fighters to have an inspirational figure, to have someone who really does it and does it perfectly and does it in a way that is very unusual because like you're one of the best switch hitters since Marvin Hagler, if not the best.
00:23:08.000God, that is such an underrated skill.
00:23:46.000He was all right, we're gonna fight, like, we're gonna train like that.
00:23:49.000Well, it's such an underrated aspect of boxing if you can do it because you have to recalibrate where everything is coming from every time you switch.
00:24:01.000In the beginning of MMA, it was a lot of people would stand one way or the other.
00:24:05.000And now, a large percentage of these young guys coming up are constantly switching because it hides combinations, it hides different techniques.
00:24:14.000There's so many different things you could do in MMA off of switch because you're switching and kicking, you're switching and punching, you're kicking, and then now you're in southpaw and you're throwing left hands instead of right hands.
00:24:23.000It's like things are coming, there's so much overload of the mind where you have to calculate all these different things.
00:24:28.000And if you don't spar on a regular basis with a very crafty guy who switches a lot, it could fuck you up inside the cage.
00:24:36.000Yeah, because some people they have better chances on one side than the other, you know.
00:24:43.000And then when you switch on them, it's just like, oh, I hate fighting southpaws.
00:24:47.000You know, and just do something to their brain, you know, because they might be slower moving one way than the other way.
00:24:54.000Well, everything looks so weird when all of a sudden the jab's on the right side and the left, and then your brain has to like got to worry about the hook now instead of the straight.
00:26:22.000You know, so you can't be frustrated if they're not getting something as fast as you get.
00:26:29.000And you've been doing this since you were seven.
00:26:31.000It's some of these kids that started when they were teenagers, you know, so you got to give them grace, you know, and take your time with them.
00:26:38.000And some of them, you know, they flat-footed and you just got to train them into their style.
00:26:45.000Everybody's not going to have your style.
00:26:47.000So when he explained that to me, I was just like, yeah, you're right.
00:26:52.000You know, let me back up a little bit and just tell them what I see.
00:27:14.000But the wisdom that you can bestow on young fighters.
00:27:19.000It's like there's a lot of great fighters like Freddy Roach that had some boxing matches but was never like an elite boxer, but still was a great coach.
00:27:29.000And but to have an elite fighter, to be a coach, it's like there's an element of that.
00:27:35.000First of all, there's an element from the young guy coming up.
00:27:43.000Buddy McGurk did a fantastic job and he became a great trainer.
00:27:47.000There's a bunch of fighters that have done it, but it's like I always wonder because I feel like there's so much you have to offer to these young guys.
00:27:55.000There's so much small, minutiae, intimate details of what you're thinking and what's going on that would completely change the way a young fighter sees certain exchanges.
00:32:55.000You know, they want to see people bleeding, battered, knocked out, you know, but they're not thinking about the aftermath and the after effects of them fighters going to the hospital, blood on their brains, pissing blood and things like that.
00:33:12.000Like, your body is not meant to be beat on like that.
00:34:17.000You know, he didn't have to sit in front of him and trade shots and give TL Fimo the opportunity to land a good shot and change the outcome of the fight.
00:34:30.000One shot, I don't care who you are, in the right spot at the right moment, anybody can get knocked out.
00:37:41.000So I look at that fight like it's not going to be as a competitive fight like everybody thinks because if Ryan get careless, he's going to get countered all day.
00:37:54.000If he gets careless, I think he'll fight very differently than he fought with Barrios.
00:37:58.000Barrios just couldn't keep up with the speed.
00:39:40.000The problem is, there's a lot of ways you can mask the amount of steroids you have in your system.
00:39:46.000And that's one of the reasons why the UFC banned IVs.
00:39:50.000Because you can flush your body out if you super hydrate with IVs.
00:39:56.000I don't know what you're supposed to put in the IV, but there's some nutrients that you can put in IVs that will mask any traces of performance-enhancing drugs, which is why UFC, you have to hydrate.
00:40:08.000This is drug-free sports policy and USADA's policy.
00:40:12.000You have to hydrate only with drinking liquids.
00:44:30.000But mine, I got to start gradually because I never want to go in there and just like tank.
00:44:39.000So I got to change my eating habits up months, like two months in advance.
00:44:45.000That way I can get my body used to being lighter and performing at that weight class because if not, you're doing more hurting yourself than good because you're taking all the fluid out of your brain.
00:45:01.000You know, and yeah, I couldn't be at no disadvantage like that.
00:47:17.000The weight that I was at with Canelo, that's the most comfortable time of my career to be able to eat whatever I want, not focus on weight.
00:47:30.000Did you feel much better in the ring because of that?
00:48:32.000The only difference in MMA is obviously the grappling, you know, and that's, it plays a big advantage if you can get a lot of weight on a guy.
00:48:40.000That's that's why a lot of guys do it.
00:50:13.000I ran into Rumble once when he was fighting at 170 and he was in between fights and I ran into him at the hotel and he was a fucking heavyweight.
00:50:21.000He was so big, I couldn't, I go, what do you weigh?
00:52:37.000But that cost him in the Nigel Benn fight.
00:52:40.000I think that probably is what led to his bleeding of the brain.
00:52:44.000That's probably one of the contributing factors to why he's, you know, he's so hurt right now.
00:52:52.000You know, and that fucked Roy up too, because back at the time, that was his biggest rival was Gerald.
00:52:58.000And, you know, Roy was always like, I do not want that ever happening to me.
00:53:02.000You know, yeah, like, man, like I say, when you lose that weight and you don't understand, you're losing that fluid in the back of your brain.
00:53:12.000You know, and it takes days for that fluid to fully return to your brain, especially when you're just drinking the water and not IV rehydrating.
00:53:23.000Yeah, it's uh, but I mean, boxing's been around longer, they've got it figured out.
00:53:28.000And unfortunately, or fortunately, the UFC dominates MMA, and they only have eight weight classes, so everybody else only has eight weight classes.
00:53:37.000California has instituted a bunch of different weight classes, but nobody the UFC has a heavyweight limit.
00:54:29.000Oh, I have a bunch of wacky rules that I want to institute.
00:54:32.000So I understand why they don't want to listen to me.
00:54:34.000I would throw the whole sport up in the air.
00:54:36.000I think these combat sports, it got to come from the fighters.
00:54:43.000You know, just like boxing, I think if the fighters come together, they can make anything happen.
00:54:51.000The fighters don't understand the level of power that they carry because they think, oh, since they're cutting the check, they got the power.
00:55:32.000Who gonna put food on my family table while we doing this, while we're making this stand?
00:55:37.000So it's a little tougher for them to make that stand than a person that's already established.
00:55:43.000You know, and I think that's where, you know, the seesaw effect happens with boxing and UFC because UFC is more extreme because it's really just the UFC.
00:57:11.000Like, if you're going from small promotions in boxing, and then all of a sudden you're in a world title fight and you're in Golden Boy promotions, you would imagine now I'm getting paid more money.
00:57:26.000Like these other organizations like the PFL have to pay these guys more money because otherwise they can't get them at all because everybody wants to fight in the UFC.
00:57:34.000It's not a monopoly because there is other options.
00:57:37.000There's one FC, there's PFL, there's some organizations in Russia and other parts of the world.
00:57:43.000But the reality is it's like the NFL or like, you know, Q-TIPS.
00:58:40.000For the greats of the greats, legacy is the primary focus, almost always.
00:58:45.000Greatness is always the primary focus because otherwise you never achieve greatness.
00:58:49.000If you're just thinking about money, I don't think those guys ever get to the level that you're at or the level that like the elite of the elite get.
00:58:56.000I think those guys have to have their eye on being the number one dog, period.
00:59:09.000He probably like, okay, well, if y'all gonna pay me X amount over here and they only gonna pay me this, then it makes business sense to go over here.
00:59:21.000You know, and that's just like Connor Baron.
01:00:19.000So when a fighter does the same thing that a promotional company do or a manager or anybody else, it's all you disloyal, you this, you that.
01:00:42.000That's the beauty of boxing, is that there's a lot of competition and there's a lot of people that are there to try to get you over onto their side.
01:01:49.000And he was at the same time where Cain Velasquez was in his prime.
01:01:54.000And that was the fight that they tried to put together.
01:01:56.000But the Russians, because the UFC didn't have a contract with Fedor anymore, because the contracts at Pride were all bullshit, they had to deal with these Russian gangsters.
01:02:07.000And these Russian gangsters were like, they wanted a piece of the promotion.
01:02:25.000But it's just, as a fan, we were robbed.
01:02:29.000We were robbed of one of the greatest matchups in the history of the sport.
01:02:33.000And there's a few of those moments in combat sports where you've got these just top dogs where you're like, God, we got to see that happen.
01:02:43.000For a while, it was Floyd and Manny, right?
01:06:08.000I remember Iran Barkley was talking about that.
01:06:10.000Iran Barkley, when he was in his prime, was hanging out with all these professional athletes, and everybody was getting diamond-crusted chains and this and that.
01:06:20.000And he was keeping up with these people.
01:06:22.000Like, you got to keep up with the Joneses.
01:06:24.000And he just found himself draining all of his money.
01:08:54.000You know, but the people that have a little bit of money, they want you to know that they got a little bit of money, but they don't have the wealth.
01:11:02.000Now you're just working on your skills and honing everything to a razor sharp edge.
01:11:07.000I think that goes to, like I said before, the people that you have around you, you know, that want to see you be successful and the people that you can learn from and the people that you can get advice from.
01:11:19.000You know, when they see you about to do something that you shouldn't do, they'd be like, hey, man, we ain't doing that.
01:12:31.000When you were training for Canelo, what did you do different?
01:12:34.000So knowing that you're going to be fighting at 168 instead of 54 or 47, what did you do different in terms of did you do anything different about strength and conditioning?
01:12:47.000Like, I know you were thinking about that fight for a long time, but like when you were physically preparing for it, knowing that you were going to be fighting him at 68, what did you do different?
01:12:56.000To be honest, I didn't do nothing different.
01:14:02.000So I just, you know, there's a lot of things that I go through in training, but I don't speak about because I don't never want it to be an excuse.
01:14:14.000You know, that's just one of the injuries that I was coming off of.
01:14:20.000But yeah, he was just like, man, we got to work.
01:16:54.000Hey, I've been putting on my time with my kids and just, you know, relaxing and not having to worry about running and waking up in the morning.
01:17:12.000There wasn't even no rematch in the contract.
01:17:16.000There was no conversation about a rematch.
01:17:19.000There still haven't been a conversation about a rematch.
01:17:22.000I've seen Canelo said that he want a rematch, but nobody has reached out to me and said, hey, Terrence, what you think about a rematch or anything like that?
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01:23:37.000It was like, yeah, the balance and the legs because you're constantly squeezing down on that horse and you're constantly adjusting and your core and everything.
01:23:46.000Like, oh, I never even thought of that.
01:23:47.000I would just think, fuck it, why are you riding horses when you're a world champion?
01:24:49.000But he was just like, see, that's why I was telling you, these horses be fucking crazy.
01:24:53.000Yeah, you just never know with animals.
01:24:55.000You just, my oldest daughter got into horses for a while.
01:24:58.000One of her friends used to do those things where, you know, the horse jumps over a thing and doesn't like, you know, they have like a whole obstacle course.
01:26:24.000Separated from everything, got some space.
01:26:27.000Yeah, but it's crazy because when I was building the house, you know, a lot of people was like, oh, he's building a house on the Aero Spence money and this and that, and this.
01:26:38.000I'm like, dude, do you know how long the process is of building houses?
01:26:43.000Like, this is not no week or two, two-month deal.
01:29:58.000It's just with fighters like Shakur, Devin, it's all about staying focused.
01:30:08.000You know, when these young fighters get to the pinnacle of boxing and they got everything at their disposal, sometimes they get caught up in the limelight and the things that really don't matter.
01:30:23.000You know, as long as they stay focused and keep their eye on the prize of where they want to go and where they want their legacy to land, they're going to be just fine.
01:31:49.000You know, they was treated just like us.
01:31:51.000So, you know, I consider him one of us, you know, but at the same time, you know, in boxing, it's always the black fighters got to be the ones that step out and play this circus role and, you know, be the one to talk shit and have everybody hate them.
01:32:14.000But the ones that don't, like Andre Ward, Terrence Crawford, Tim Bradley, you know, they boring or they can't sell, things like that.
01:32:26.000Is you judging me for what I say or what I do in the ring?
01:32:31.000Well, this is the difference with casuals versus people that really appreciate excellent boxing.
01:33:50.000And I wish I was, you know, from the UK, you know, like, because the way they support boxing, they don't look at, oh, since you lost, you know, we're not going to support you.
01:34:00.000They look at, no, these are warriors and we're not going to stop supporting them because they lost.
01:35:10.000He lost to Mighty Mouse early on, then he came back and beat Mighty Mouse to win his first title.
01:35:15.000Yeah, but like most everybody else be having like five losses and stuff like that, and they be at the top of the top, you know, and everybody still support them, but don't nobody go, oh, he got five losses, he trashed, he did that.
01:35:30.000No, it just maybe it was off-night, you know.
01:35:33.000There's something to that because I think it's more difficult to not lose in MMA.
01:35:38.000There's just too many different styles, there's too many different approaches, too many variables, and it's also so difficult to not be hurt in training before you fight when you're grappling, kicking legs, elbows, all that shit you're doing in training, jiu-jitsu.
01:38:24.000I always tell people, like, if you watch my jab and my hook in the Canelo fight, then watch my jab and my hook, my prior fights, you know, and Majimoff and Spence, you'll see the difference.
01:41:48.000It'll heal because that's the problem.
01:41:49.000A lot of guys, they get the stem cells and they go back to training in a few weeks and they kind of, it's not 100% healed and they tweak it a little bit.
01:41:59.000But now if you're not training at all, this is the perfect time to do something like that.
01:44:41.000So now it's like everybody like, man, this dude was new all along.
01:44:45.000It's like, yeah, because I'm not a follower.
01:44:49.000I'm not going to listen to people that never done anything in their life and never took no chances or no risks to tell me what I can and what I can't do.
01:45:28.000I really do because there's so many young fighters that just can't wait to be that person in the limelight, can't wait to be that person living flashy in front of everybody.
01:45:51.000And they'll turn on you in a heartbeat.
01:45:54.000Just do something crazy or lose a match that you don't supposed to lose or be up against one of your rivals and you lose and then everybody's going to turn their back on you.
01:52:23.000But he would go to this small town in the middle of fucking nowhere and run on the beach and live in a room with no TV, no nothing, just eat, sleep, train.
01:53:28.000You know, Hagler had extraordinary mandible muscles that like they did a CAT scan on him, like a scan of his head.
01:53:36.000They said the muscles on the side of his head is like he was born with headgear or he developed it just from biting down on a mouthpiece for so long.
01:53:47.000But I love watching those old school training footage videos.
01:53:51.000Like there's some great ones of Sugar A. Robinson running in the mountains and hitting the bag and training and all the calisthenics that he had to do.
01:54:00.000I think more people should see stuff like that just to appreciate the amount of discipline and work that it takes to get into peak condition for a fight.
01:54:12.000Because I just don't think they understand what your mind has to go through to get up for that every day over and over and over and over and over until you're finally in the ring.
01:54:23.000Like the ring is almost the easy part.
01:54:29.000It's like, you know, when we in Colorado and we got to run the mountain, like sometimes I'll be like, man, I ain't running this long, nigga, man.
01:56:57.000In the morning, early in the morning, then we have the whole day to recover.
01:57:02.000But he like, no, you got to just take the whole day off not doing nothing and just recover.
01:57:10.000And as you get, as I got older, you know, my last two training camps, I took that advice and it's just like, man, I'm like, man, I could have did this years ago.
01:58:32.000You know, or we come in there and they'll be like, all right, today we just going, we're going to shallow box and we're going to hit the mitts.
01:58:37.000But I never questioned them, but they already knew by watching me, you know, along the weeks to pull me back when to pull me up.
01:58:45.000And then it started getting, you know, to me.
01:59:20.000And someone is really paying attention to you and knows you, like knows the signs, knows when you're a little sluggish, knows when you're peaking a little early.
01:59:36.000You know, like it's whether or not you've built your body up to the point where you're doing that for so many years that your body's conditioned to go that hard.
01:59:45.000You know, because there's people that used to say that if you run a marathon, like you need like six months off.
01:59:50.000I had a friend, it was my friend Cameron Haynes.
02:00:07.000So if a fighter is slacking off in between camps and getting fat and drinking and fucking off, and then they get back in the camp.
02:00:14.000Yeah, you can't do three hard a day like that.
02:00:16.000But if you're already in shape and you're already conditioned and you have built up this base of years and years of doing this, your conditioning will be so much better.
02:00:25.000One of the things that I noticed in young fighters in particular, especially in MMA, is how tired they get in a three-round fight.
02:00:34.000Just a three-round MMA fight, how tired they get.
02:00:37.000And I'm sure they train hard, but they don't train as hard as these guys who don't get tired in a five-round fight.
02:01:38.000You know, and I was just like, in my mind, I'm like, man, I'm not working hard enough because I'm used to working hard and I'm going home and I'm like, oh, that was a good workout.
02:03:57.000Listening to people that have done it all and, you know, and that wisdom, the just the things that you've said on this podcast today, I guarantee you right now, there are hundreds of thousands of fucking future fighters that are listening to this right now and that are probably like taking it all in.
02:04:14.000Okay, because you know, in the early days, you don't know what the fuck to do.
02:05:40.000Like I always say, sometimes I blame the coaches, but for the most part, the players and the fighters and the athletes, they got to go out there and perform.
02:05:50.000I could tell you, go out there and do this, but if you don't go do it, then that's on you.
02:05:56.000Now, coaches, they can make the, I mean, they can get out-coached.
02:06:00.000They can call the wrong plays at the wrong times, different like that.
02:06:04.000But all in all, if he goes out there and miss a tackle, if he goes out there and not catch the ball, why am I getting fired?
02:06:21.000So I'm getting fired because they're not performing.
02:06:24.000You're also getting fired by people that don't totally understand all the subtle nuances of what you do if you're a coach.
02:06:33.000Like if they're not a coach, how could you really understand?
02:06:36.000If you're not day in, day out with these athletes in their head, working with them, seeing what they're doing, improving upon their strengths, strengthening their weaknesses.
02:06:45.000If you're not doing that, you just are seeing results.
02:07:01.000It's tough to, you know, go across the middle and try to catch a bullet without when you know the safety about to come in later, the crazy slap on you.
02:07:11.000You know, and it's crazy to go up, you know, on a seven-footer trying to shoot a three.
02:07:18.000Like it's hard at a professional level to do what these athletes is doing, but they making it seem like it's easy on the outside for us.
02:07:28.000And we like, man, you didn't catch the ball.
02:07:30.000It's like, man, you try to catch that ball with three people on you, you know, coming full speed and you got to worry about getting your feet inbounds and things like that.
02:08:50.000I think when a fighter have a good coach that's knowledgeable and they believe in a coach and a coach asks them to do something and they believe that that's going to work, they'll try it.
02:09:06.000You know, if your coach tells you, all right, listen, he's stepping back every time you step in.
02:09:12.000So that means for every time he step back, you got to step in twice and double the jab and close the distance and let your hands go when you get in range.
02:09:21.000And that fighter go out there and do what the coach asked him to do and he's successful, then that's a different ballgame.