The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #174 with Terence Crawford

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00:00:12.000 All right, champ is here.

00:00:14.000 Last time I saw you, I think it was before the Madras fight, wasn't it?

00:00:19.000 Wasn't it before that fight?

00:00:20.000 It was before that fight.

00:00:20.000 I believe so.

00:00:22.000 And that was just around the time you were talking about fighting Canelo.

00:00:26.000 And everybody was like, that's crazy.

00:00:28.000 He's going to go up all the way to 168, two more weight classes above that.

00:00:31.000 That's nuts.

00:00:34.000 Everybody's got to shut the fuck up now.

00:00:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:37.000 You know what I say?

00:00:38.000 Skills pay the bills.

00:00:40.000 They do.

00:00:41.000 Skills are everything, man.

00:00:43.000 But the thing is, it's like, it's interesting.

00:00:45.000 I watched both the Canela fight and the Madrua fight again recently.

00:00:50.000 And Madramov looked bigger.

00:00:52.000 He looked bigger than Canelo.

00:00:54.000 It was really interesting.

00:00:55.000 He was a big dude.

00:00:56.000 He's a big dude.

00:00:57.000 I wonder what that guy walks around at.

00:00:59.000 Because it's not 154.

00:01:01.000 No, not at all.

00:01:02.000 He fought at 160 his last fight.

00:01:04.000 Did he?

00:01:04.000 Yeah.

00:01:05.000 Really an outstanding performance against Canelo.

00:01:08.000 It was, like I was saying, telling you before, it was a great I told you so fight for me.

00:01:13.000 Because there were so many of my friends that are big boxing fans that just thought Canelo was too big.

00:01:18.000 They thought it was too much of a jump.

00:01:20.000 He's too experienced.

00:01:24.000 Well, you got it?

00:01:26.000 I mean, you made it look, I want to say easy.

00:01:29.000 It wasn't that it was easy, but it was definitive.

00:01:31.000 You know, it was such a clear victory.

00:01:35.000 It was so, it was at one point when you were pity patting him and then firing off hard shots.

00:01:40.000 I was like, oh my goodness, he's feeling it.

00:01:42.000 Yeah, I was in my element.

00:01:44.000 I was in the zone mainly because a lot of people was doubting me as well.

00:01:50.000 You know, telling me I was going to get knocked out.

00:01:52.000 I was too small.

00:01:53.000 And I was just fighting for the money when I knew what I was capable of.

00:01:58.000 So I was just like, I'm going to show y'all what I'm really about because this is not the first time that I didn't heard that.

00:02:06.000 Oh, he can't do this.

00:02:07.000 He can't do that.

00:02:08.000 I think your situation is very similar to when Roy Jones was in his prime.

00:02:14.000 Because when Roy Jones was in his prime, everybody was saying, Roy Jones, other than James Tony, Roy Jones really hadn't fought anybody.

00:02:20.000 And I was like, no, he's just that much better than everybody else.

00:02:25.000 He makes it look like they're not good.

00:02:28.000 If you saw them fight against everybody else, you would say these guys are awesome.

00:02:31.000 For sure, for sure.

00:02:33.000 I've been dealing with that my whole career.

00:02:36.000 You know, people getting so much praise after fighting a guy that I already knocked out.

00:02:44.000 You know, if they beat him, oh, such and such beat this guy.

00:02:48.000 But me, it's, oh, you fighting tomato cans or you fighting bones and things like this.

00:02:54.000 So I was just like.

00:02:55.000 It was just because you're doing it so well.

00:02:57.000 That's what it is.

00:02:58.000 It's just people, they try to find flaws in every great performance.

00:03:03.000 And the flaws, the only flaws they could find is, yeah, but who are these guys that he beat?

00:03:08.000 But you beat great guys.

00:03:09.000 Champions.

00:03:10.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, one of the more interesting fights to me was a Benavidez fight.

00:03:16.000 I rewatched that again recently, too.

00:03:18.000 Especially that.

00:03:19.000 Whew.

00:03:20.000 Because there's so much tension.

00:03:22.000 There's so much shit talking and tension and so many emotions.

00:03:26.000 And he could fight.

00:03:27.000 He could fight.

00:03:28.000 You know, a lot of people, they looking at his injury and he fought no different from before or after the injury.

00:03:39.000 He fought the same, you know.

00:03:41.000 So that's another thing that they're going to say, oh, well, he had got shot in the leg.

00:03:46.000 And if he didn't, then this would have happened or that would have happened.

00:03:51.000 I'm like, he fought the same.

00:03:53.000 Like, if you know boxing and you see him box, nothing changed from his boxing standpoint.

00:04:00.000 He wasn't a mover.

00:04:01.000 He wasn't this guy that used his legs as a defense or offense.

00:04:07.000 So I just take it as a grand assault.

00:04:10.000 Yeah, I'm sure that injury sucked, but he fought the same.

00:04:14.000 And he fought well.

00:04:16.000 I mean, he's a tough guy.

00:04:17.000 He fought really well.

00:04:18.000 Took me 12 rounds.

00:04:19.000 Yeah, listen.

00:04:21.000 But that right uppercut in that 12th round that put him down.

00:04:25.000 I was like, oh my goodness.

00:04:26.000 I remember watching that fight live.

00:04:27.000 I was like, oh, there it is.

00:04:29.000 There it is.

00:04:29.000 You found him.

00:04:30.000 Yeah, he had good hair movement.

00:04:34.000 Tough guy.

00:04:36.000 He was ducking them hooks and them straight punches.

00:04:39.000 So I was just like, all right, I got to switch it up.

00:04:43.000 Well, also, he believed in himself.

00:04:44.000 For sure.

00:04:45.000 Definitely.

00:04:46.000 He came into that fight to win.

00:04:48.000 Most definitely.

00:04:48.000 Oh, definitely.

00:04:49.000 Most definitely.

00:04:51.000 It's beautiful to watch.

00:04:53.000 You get what you deserve.

00:04:55.000 Because I felt like, man, if you retired after the Spence fight, I don't think people that are casuals would really appreciate your skill set.

00:05:04.000 You know, the people inside boxing, the people that really know boxing did, but I felt like too many of the casuals just talk so much shit.

00:05:13.000 And so the Canelo fight was the cherry on top of the Sunday.

00:05:17.000 Yeah, it was.

00:05:18.000 And even now, a lot of people saying, oh, well, Canelo's washed.

00:05:22.000 And I'm like, well, I'm older than him.

00:05:22.000 He's old.

00:05:25.000 What are we talking about?

00:05:28.000 I just love it.

00:05:30.000 Because it just shows what level I'm on.

00:05:34.000 For everybody to already know what happened.

00:05:40.000 And then they try to take what happened and make it a reason why it happened.

00:05:45.000 So I'd just be like, man, it's cool.

00:05:45.000 Right.

00:05:46.000 That's boxing, though.

00:05:48.000 That's sports in general.

00:05:49.000 You're always going to have that.

00:05:50.000 There's always going to be a bunch of sideline people that talk a lot of shit.

00:05:54.000 But, you know, for a lot of fighters, it's later in their career, especially when they're avoided or they have difficulty signing big fights.

00:06:03.000 It's later in their career that people really appreciate them.

00:06:06.000 Like, think about Bernard.

00:06:07.000 It wasn't until Bernard Hopkins beat Felix Trinidad that people were like, oh, shit.

00:06:12.000 I think he was like 37 or 36 when he fought Trinidad.

00:06:17.000 And a lot of people are saying he's washed up.

00:06:19.000 It's over.

00:06:20.000 And when he knocked out Trinidad, everybody was like, oh, okay. 0.97

00:06:24.000 Yeah.

00:06:25.000 Yeah, I've been calling out everybody since the beginning.

00:06:31.000 They created a whole side of the street because of me.

00:06:36.000 I'm with a different promoter.

00:06:37.000 It was always something.

00:06:39.000 And everybody always blamed me.

00:06:41.000 But now look at everybody now.

00:06:43.000 All the promoters working together now.

00:06:46.000 Why couldn't they work together when it was my turn to shine?

00:06:50.000 But it is what it is.

00:06:51.000 And life happened.

00:06:52.000 And I'm happy the way it happened because I did it my way.

00:06:55.000 And I don't think too many other fighters can say that.

00:06:59.000 That's true.

00:07:00.000 Yeah.

00:07:01.000 It's a dirty business.

00:07:02.000 You know, the business of promoters and keeping guys away from guys and making sure that their fighter, you know, avoid certain fighters.

00:07:11.000 It's always been that way.

00:07:13.000 And it's unfortunate for the fans because there's so many, like the big one for a long time was David Benavidez and Canelo.

00:07:22.000 Like everybody wants to see that fight.

00:07:25.000 And they just can't figure out a way to make it happen.

00:07:28.000 And you got to think someone's avoiding somebody.

00:07:30.000 And it's not Benavidez.

00:07:32.000 No, not at all.

00:07:34.000 You know, I just think Canelo, in a sense, he know how big Benavide is going to come in the ring.

00:07:43.000 You know, Benavidez is a great fighter, you know, but he's a big fighter.

00:07:48.000 He's a tall fighter, you know, and I just think Canelo knows, like, why would I want to get in the ring with this guy that's going to be massive come fight time?

00:08:00.000 And I'm not that big of a guy at all.

00:08:03.000 I've been doing all this with my skills because Canelo's not a big guy.

00:08:09.000 He's been fighting big guys his whole career.

00:08:12.000 Yeah.

00:08:12.000 You know, and beating them with skills.

00:08:15.000 You know, so you got to tip your hat off to Canelo and what he's accomplished.

00:08:20.000 Absolutely.

00:08:21.000 Being 5'7, going up to 175 and fighting these big guys and actually winning.

00:08:29.000 Knocked out Kovalev.

00:08:31.000 I mean, it was Kovalev later in his career, but he's still Kovalev.

00:08:34.000 For sure.

00:08:35.000 And then having the courage to fight Bival in his prime.

00:08:37.000 For sure.

00:08:38.000 I think that's the fight that probably kept us from getting the Benavidez fight, the Bival fight.

00:08:43.000 Because I think after that fight, he's like, okay.

00:08:45.000 Yeah, this dude is big.

00:08:46.000 This is a little big.

00:08:48.000 Because Bival, not just big, but he's got that Russian style, light on the feet, in and out, in and out, in and out. 0.99

00:08:56.000 It's a difficult style to handle.

00:08:59.000 And the only guy to beat Better Beeve was another beast.

00:09:03.000 Yep.

00:09:04.000 So I think, you know, him knowing that and then I think the disrespect that he got from Benavidez had persuaded him to go elsewhere.

00:09:16.000 But, you know, there's been many boxers from the past that didn't fight people that they wanted to fight.

00:09:26.000 Right.

00:09:26.000 You know, look at Sugar Ray Leonard and Aaron Pryor.

00:09:31.000 They never got that fight.

00:09:33.000 So, and that's just one of MIDI.

00:09:35.000 So it's going to be like that.

00:09:38.000 Well, it always seems at the end that it all worked out the way it was supposed to.

00:09:44.000 And that's how it felt like for me after your Canelo victory.

00:09:48.000 Like, this is like, you know, all the bullshit.

00:09:52.000 It's like, now everybody has to shut the fuck up.

00:09:54.000 It's like, all the bullshit's gone.

00:09:56.000 It's like, now everybody's got to give you your just due because that was a stellar championship performance.

00:10:02.000 I mean, that was one of the all-time great performances because it was a Canelo that's, you know, you could say whatever you want.

00:10:10.000 I think he's still in his prime.

00:10:12.000 And you just outboxed him.

00:10:13.000 And you outboxed him.

00:10:15.000 I mean, think about it.

00:10:16.000 40 to 47, 54, all the way up to 68.

00:10:20.000 And you outboxed.

00:10:22.000 35 first.

00:10:22.000 That's right.

00:10:23.000 Right.

00:10:24.000 That's crazy.

00:10:24.000 That's right.

00:10:26.000 That's crazy going up from 35 to 68 and outboxing the champ.

00:10:32.000 And the way you did it too.

00:10:33.000 It was so skillful.

00:10:34.000 It was so beautiful to watch, man.

00:10:36.000 When you're a fan of skillful, intelligent boxing, that was such a good fight to watch.

00:10:42.000 Because, you know, Canelo's a dangerous guy.

00:10:45.000 He's a heavy puncher.

00:10:46.000 And he puts a lot of power into his punches.

00:10:49.000 He's kind of changed over the years and really relied more on his power.

00:10:54.000 But man, he knows how to land it.

00:10:55.000 And when he lands it, he puts people in a lot of trouble.

00:10:58.000 And he just, there was this one move that you were doing where you were throwing a left hand and then a quick hook behind it before you even brought the hand back.

00:11:10.000 So he was going to counter and you were throwing a quick hook.

00:11:14.000 I was like, oh, that is so pretty.

00:11:15.000 That is so pretty.

00:11:17.000 You know, Canelo is a great counter puncher.

00:11:19.000 You know, so you got to beat him to it.

00:11:22.000 You got to counter the counter at times.

00:11:24.000 Did that fight play out the way you thought it was going to play out?

00:11:26.000 Yeah, most definitely.

00:11:28.000 Exactly the way he thought it was.

00:11:29.000 Most definitely.

00:11:29.000 We knew what we was up against.

00:11:32.000 You know, when I went to his fight against Berlinga and against the guy that's on his team, I forgot his name.

00:11:43.000 Mongia.

00:11:44.000 Mongia.

00:11:46.000 When I was with Turkey, I said, Turkey, he can't beat me.

00:11:50.000 Just watching him from 135 to now, like live.

00:11:58.000 I'm looking at him.

00:11:59.000 I'm just like, I can beat this dude.

00:12:00.000 Like, my confidence is getting more and more and more.

00:12:04.000 And his last fight in Saudi Arabia, I was like, yeah, he can't fight like that against me.

00:12:12.000 Which he didn't, which he definitely rose his game.

00:12:16.000 But I just believed in myself that much that nothing was going to stop me from getting that victory done.

00:12:23.000 The fight in Saudi Arabia, he looked like undermotivated.

00:12:26.000 Yeah.

00:12:27.000 It wasn't a big enough challenge for him.

00:12:29.000 He didn't look like he was in the same kind of shape physically, like when you look at him.

00:12:34.000 He wasn't, you know, and it happens, you know.

00:12:38.000 That's why I always train like this is the toughest fight of my career because it is.

00:12:43.000 Every fight is.

00:12:45.000 And you never know what to expect with those type of fighters that nobody know about.

00:12:50.000 Right.

00:12:51.000 Right, right, right.

00:12:52.000 Them be the ones that sneak up on you and, you know, you got to be ready for them.

00:12:57.000 But he didn't come to fight.

00:12:59.000 He moved the whole fight and, you know, Canelo was frustrated.

00:13:04.000 He was just like, oh, man, this dude didn't come to do anything.

00:13:08.000 He came to survive.

00:13:08.000 Right.

00:13:09.000 Yeah, so I could see where he was frustrated at.

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 Well, he probably thought he didn't belong in there with Canelo either.

00:13:17.000 Right.

00:13:18.000 You know, so he probably said, listen, if I just keep moving, I can get out of here with my dignity intact and just never get hit real good.

00:13:26.000 Yeah.

00:13:27.000 Yeah.

00:13:28.000 It's fascinating now because before that fight, you were looked at as one of the best boxers today.

00:13:36.000 Now you're looked at as one of the best fighters ever.

00:13:40.000 And it's interesting how that changes.

00:13:42.000 How people now look at your body.

00:13:44.000 And then they look at Errol Spence before you fought him and go, Errol Spence can fight, man.

00:13:49.000 He's a really good fighter.

00:13:51.000 And a lot of people discredited your victory over him because of that car accident that he had.

00:13:57.000 And maybe he wasn't as good as we thought.

00:14:00.000 But now with the Canelo victory, you're in this rare air of mentioned as one of the greatest of all time.

00:14:11.000 You know, there's a handful of guys.

00:14:13.000 There is no, it's very difficult to say the greatest of all time because people want to go all the way back to Sugar Ray Robinson.

00:14:19.000 They, you know, they throw Floyd in the mix, prime time Roy Jones.

00:14:23.000 There's all these different fighters they put as the greatest of all time.

00:14:26.000 But you are now in that conversation.

00:14:28.000 That's got to be nice.

00:14:30.000 It's beautiful.

00:14:31.000 You know, especially all the hard work that I put in to be here at that pinnacle of the sport.

00:14:40.000 You know, since I was seven years old, I've been boxing.

00:14:43.000 I've been fighting.

00:14:44.000 I've been a fighter since day one.

00:14:47.000 So when people compare me to like Sugar Ray Robinson and Floyd Mayweather and Sugar Ray Leonard, comparing me to who will win, who will win, that just let me know that I did my job well in the sport.

00:15:02.000 Oh, you absolutely did.

00:15:03.000 Now you definitely done, done.

00:15:06.000 It's over with.

00:15:07.000 It's definitely over?

00:15:08.000 Yeah.

00:15:08.000 I don't got.

00:15:09.000 So I told a couple of my close friends.

00:15:13.000 I said, okay, since 2014, I've been fighting for something.

00:15:18.000 A title.

00:15:19.000 I won my first title in 2014, March of 2014.

00:15:24.000 Ever since then, I've been fighting for titles, undisputed titles, undisputed, undisputed, titles, undisputed, like just everything that I've been fighting for.

00:15:35.000 Now I just come back and it's just like, all right, what's the motivation?

00:15:39.000 Just money?

00:15:41.000 You know, like, all right, so what?

00:15:43.000 What is on top of that?

00:15:45.000 You know, because my thing was the money gonna come.

00:15:50.000 No, I was taking pay cuts at the pay cuts at the pay cuts because I knew what I wanted my legacy to be when I finished boxing.

00:16:00.000 I want to be remembered as one of the greatest champions of all time.

00:16:06.000 You know, and I think I did that, you know.

00:16:09.000 So now it's like this last fight that I had the height of it.

00:16:17.000 There's no better finish than that to me.

00:16:19.000 Yeah.

00:16:20.000 What was on the line coming from where I came from, all the odds that was stacked against me, all the things that I had to go through and camp and camp to get to that fight, you know, it was just like, man, you did everything right.

00:16:37.000 So what can top that?

00:16:39.000 I love that.

00:16:40.000 I love when fighters go out on top like that. 0.99

00:16:42.000 And for you, for a fighter to go out like you have with all your championship experience, all the weight classes you competed in, undefeated, and beat Canelo, another all-time great.

00:16:54.000 I mean, that is a perfect finale for a spectacular career.

00:16:59.000 That's pretty dope.

00:17:00.000 For sure.

00:17:01.000 And go out with your faculties intact, your health intact, plenty of money.

00:17:05.000 It's nice.

00:17:07.000 It's beautiful because nobody knows what us fighters adore to get to the point to entertain the fans.

00:17:19.000 You know, we go through a lot.

00:17:21.000 You know, we put our body through a lot.

00:17:23.000 And then when it's all said and done, when our body broke down to the point where we can't take care of ourselves, they don't care about us.

00:17:33.000 They're going to say, oh, well, he was once a good champion.

00:17:36.000 And we go to the fights.

00:17:37.000 You see a lot of old fighters showing up to the fights and people just walk past them.

00:17:42.000 Yeah.

00:17:43.000 You know, they on to the next.

00:17:44.000 Oh, let's see the young fighter.

00:17:47.000 You know, and it's like they use you up till you have nothing left, then they forget about you.

00:17:53.000 Yeah.

00:17:53.000 You know, so it's very critical for these fighters to think about their health first because once it's over with, it's over with.

00:18:03.000 And you can't get your health back.

00:18:05.000 You can always get money elsewhere.

00:18:08.000 But once you can't, your mind is messed up.

00:18:12.000 Yeah.

00:18:12.000 It's over with.

00:18:14.000 That's such a good lesson for young fighters to see too: to see a guy like yourself be fully dedicated, so disciplined, get through the whole thing, get out on top and done.

00:18:28.000 Yeah.

00:18:29.000 And so many fighters have said that.

00:18:32.000 And then a couple years go by, their identity is wrapped up in fighting.

00:18:36.000 They go, man, I think I got one more in me.

00:18:38.000 And then, you know, maybe they're buying a lot of shit.

00:18:41.000 That's the real problem.

00:18:42.000 Yeah.

00:18:43.000 It's always going to be that, you know, I got another one in me.

00:18:48.000 I got another one in me.

00:18:50.000 I mean, because they miss that high of all the fans chanting their name and everybody, you know, cameras, lights, and, you know, they miss it, you know.

00:19:05.000 But I was always that type of person.

00:19:07.000 I didn't care about all that.

00:19:08.000 Really?

00:19:09.000 Y'all can have the lights.

00:19:10.000 Just pay me and I go under the rock somewhere, you know, take care of my family.

00:19:15.000 You know, I never was a guy that wanted to be all up in the media and wanted to be the center of attention.

00:19:21.000 How come?

00:19:22.000 Because that's just me.

00:19:23.000 I already knew what I was doing it for.

00:19:25.000 I never was doing it to be famous.

00:19:28.000 You know, I don't walk around with a whole entourage to get noticed.

00:19:33.000 You know, I'll be under the radar.

00:19:35.000 I do like that.

00:19:36.000 You show up by yourself.

00:19:37.000 But one time you showed up at one of the UFCs and someone said you were Kendrick Lamar and they put it on the fucking screen.

00:19:44.000 And I didn't catch it because I was doing the broadcast.

00:19:46.000 But I was like, are you guys out of your fucking, you don't know who Terrence Crawford is and you're in combat sports?

00:19:52.000 This is crazy.

00:19:53.000 I think they did that on purpose.

00:19:54.000 No.

00:19:55.000 No way.

00:19:56.000 No way.

00:19:57.000 They had to.

00:19:57.000 No, It was just some moron in the truck.

00:20:01.000 No, 100%.

00:20:01.000 Yeah.

00:20:02.000 They did not do that on purpose.

00:20:04.000 No one in the UFC would ever disrespect you like that.

00:20:06.000 No one would disrespect you like that.

00:20:08.000 No chance.

00:20:09.000 Yeah, I was sitting next to Terry Biden.

00:20:12.000 I was like, did they really just do that?

00:20:14.000 No, they did not do that on purpose.

00:20:16.000 That was just some dumbass that thought that you were Kendrick Lamar for some reason.

00:20:21.000 Yeah.

00:20:21.000 It was so stupid.

00:20:22.000 And then I think they corrected it later in the broadcast.

00:20:26.000 I don't know who it was.

00:20:28.000 I didn't want to know.

00:20:29.000 I tell him.

00:20:31.000 For sure.

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00:21:04.000 But that's, you roll very low-key.

00:21:07.000 Like, you don't show up with an entourage.

00:21:09.000 You know, a lot of times you're just by yourself.

00:21:12.000 Yeah.

00:21:12.000 You know, and that's unusual for a guy who's achieved as much as you've achieved.

00:21:16.000 Yeah.

00:21:17.000 People would be so like surprised that they'll see me in the airport.

00:21:22.000 They'd be like, you by yourself?

00:21:26.000 Like, man, this is crazy.

00:21:28.000 I would always imagine you with security guards, big entourage.

00:21:32.000 Right.

00:21:32.000 No, man.

00:21:33.000 That's just a bill.

00:21:34.000 Yeah.

00:21:35.000 You know, you got to pay all them people to be around you.

00:21:37.000 That's true, too.

00:21:38.000 Yeah.

00:21:40.000 I mean, every time you showed up at the studio, you showed up by yourself.

00:21:40.000 Yeah.

00:21:42.000 Yeah.

00:21:43.000 I mean, it's, that's another good example for young fighters to realize, like, at the end of the day, what are you really doing it for?

00:21:43.000 Yeah.

00:21:51.000 All that other bullshit, all the attention and stuff, that's it's very temporary.

00:21:56.000 It's very fleeting.

00:21:57.000 It goes away.

00:21:58.000 Legacy.

00:21:59.000 Legacy and the glory of your accomplishments.

00:22:03.000 That stays forever.

00:22:04.000 And the respect of people in boxing that really know.

00:22:08.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:22:09.000 Yeah, that's what it's all about.

00:22:11.000 And you've got that.

00:22:12.000 Now everybody has to shut the fuck up.

00:22:14.000 Yeah, they do.

00:22:15.000 Everybody has to shut the fuck up.

00:22:16.000 Even the people that said that, oh, Canelo's stop.

00:22:19.000 You were the same people saying Canelo was going to stop him.

00:22:21.000 You're the same people that's saying Errol Spence was going to stop me.

00:22:24.000 Same people that's saying Major Moff was going to stop me.

00:22:27.000 Yep.

00:22:27.000 And so forth.

00:22:29.000 So it just got to the point where they just, they can't, they got to accept it now.

00:22:35.000 It's like, man, I've been hating on this dude for so long, you know, and he's just been proving me wrong time after time.

00:22:42.000 It's like, let me just give him his flowers.

00:22:45.000 You know?

00:22:46.000 That's beautiful.

00:22:47.000 And for young fighters, it's such a good thing to watch.

00:22:51.000 It's so good for young fighters to have an inspirational figure, to have someone who really does it and does it perfectly and does it in a way that is very unusual because like you're one of the best switch hitters since Marvin Hagler, if not the best.

00:23:08.000 God, that is such an underrated skill.

00:23:10.000 It was so funny.

00:23:10.000 One of the times you were in here, you were telling me that his coach, your coach told you to stop doing that.

00:23:15.000 Yeah.

00:23:16.000 He was like, you need to focus on fighting Orthodox the right way instead of switching to South Paul.

00:23:24.000 I was just like, all right, switch South Paul again.

00:23:27.000 Then it was just like, he was like, all right, well, you're going to do that.

00:23:29.000 We're going to train like that.

00:23:30.000 I was like, all right, let's train like it.

00:23:32.000 I'm going to keep switching because it just came so natural.

00:23:35.000 I'll be in there, boom, and then they'll just, I just switch like unthinking.

00:23:41.000 Bop, bop, bop.

00:23:42.000 Man, you know, it was just, I win and I win.

00:23:42.000 Yes.

00:23:46.000 He was all right, we're gonna fight, like, we're gonna train like that.

00:23:49.000 Well, it's such an underrated aspect of boxing if you can do it because you have to recalibrate where everything is coming from every time you switch.

00:23:58.000 Different angles, all that.

00:23:59.000 In MMA, it's become commonplace.

00:24:01.000 In the beginning of MMA, it was a lot of people would stand one way or the other.

00:24:05.000 And now, a large percentage of these young guys coming up are constantly switching because it hides combinations, it hides different techniques.

00:24:14.000 There's so many different things you could do in MMA off of switch because you're switching and kicking, you're switching and punching, you're kicking, and then now you're in southpaw and you're throwing left hands instead of right hands.

00:24:23.000 It's like things are coming, there's so much overload of the mind where you have to calculate all these different things.

00:24:28.000 And if you don't spar on a regular basis with a very crafty guy who switches a lot, it could fuck you up inside the cage.

00:24:36.000 Yeah, because some people they have better chances on one side than the other, you know.

00:24:43.000 And then when you switch on them, it's just like, oh, I hate fighting southpaws. 0.93

00:24:47.000 You know, and just do something to their brain, you know, because they might be slower moving one way than the other way.

00:24:47.000 Right.

00:24:54.000 Well, everything looks so weird when all of a sudden the jab's on the right side and the left, and then your brain has to like got to worry about the hook now instead of the straight.

00:25:05.000 Everything's different.

00:25:06.000 It's just, I mean, I wonder how many young fighters are going to see your example and start training that very early in their career now.

00:25:06.000 Yeah.

00:25:15.000 Because I think it's the conventional wisdom was that you have one stance, whether it's South Paul or Orthodox, stick with that. 0.99

00:25:24.000 There's a few outliers like Hagler, but for the most part, stick with that.

00:25:28.000 But I don't think that's the way to go.

00:25:30.000 I think, I mean, I think great fighters have stayed in one stance.

00:25:34.000 But I think the way to go is having the ability to switch up.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, it's always, you know, beneficial if you can have it and not need it, then they need it and ain't got it.

00:25:46.000 Yes.

00:25:46.000 You know, like, okay, it's cool that I don't need it for this fight, but I got it in my bag just in case I have it.

00:25:52.000 Yes.

00:25:53.000 You know, and that's just like me.

00:25:56.000 I got it all.

00:25:58.000 Yeah.

00:25:58.000 Do you think you're going to train people when you're done?

00:26:02.000 I be training a little bit.

00:26:03.000 I'll be helping out at the gym, but my patience ain't there yet.

00:26:08.000 I get frustrated and I have to remember, like my coach Bomac said, everybody's not you, bud.

00:26:15.000 Yeah.

00:26:16.000 Everybody don't adapt like you.

00:26:18.000 Everybody not as athletic like you.

00:26:22.000 You know, so you can't be frustrated if they're not getting something as fast as you get.

00:26:29.000 And you've been doing this since you were seven.

00:26:31.000 It's some of these kids that started when they were teenagers, you know, so you got to give them grace, you know, and take your time with them.

00:26:38.000 And some of them, you know, they flat-footed and you just got to train them into their style.

00:26:45.000 Everybody's not going to have your style.

00:26:47.000 So when he explained that to me, I was just like, yeah, you're right.

00:26:52.000 You know, let me back up a little bit and just tell them what I see.

00:26:56.000 Yeah.

00:26:57.000 You know, more so than trying to coach them into being this fighter that I want them to be.

00:27:02.000 Being a version of you.

00:27:03.000 Yeah.

00:27:04.000 Yeah.

00:27:04.000 That's got to be difficult, right?

00:27:05.000 Because everybody does have a different style.

00:27:07.000 Yeah.

00:27:08.000 And, you know, you're never going to convince some fighters to fight your way.

00:27:13.000 Yeah.

00:27:14.000 But the wisdom that you can bestow on young fighters.

00:27:19.000 It's like there's a lot of great fighters like Freddy Roach that had some boxing matches but was never like an elite boxer, but still was a great coach.

00:27:29.000 And but to have an elite fighter, to be a coach, it's like there's an element of that.

00:27:35.000 First of all, there's an element from the young guy coming up.

00:27:38.000 Like, you want to impress.

00:27:40.000 You got Terrence Crawford in your corner.

00:27:42.000 Yeah.

00:27:42.000 You want to impress him.

00:27:43.000 Buddy McGurk did a fantastic job and he became a great trainer.

00:27:47.000 There's a bunch of fighters that have done it, but it's like I always wonder because I feel like there's so much you have to offer to these young guys.

00:27:55.000 There's so much small, minutiae, intimate details of what you're thinking and what's going on that would completely change the way a young fighter sees certain exchanges.

00:28:07.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:28:08.000 And I try to help them on that aspect when they're in the ring or when they're on the back or when they hit the midst.

00:28:15.000 Shadow boxing, just little details.

00:28:17.000 You know, I come in the gym and you see the little kids.

00:28:20.000 They see me and they look to the corner and they hit the back.

00:28:25.000 Yeah, they get fired up.

00:28:26.000 You can see they're trying to get my attention.

00:28:28.000 I come over there, then give them some little wisdom.

00:28:32.000 You know, and they're appreciative.

00:28:34.000 But it's good that they see me in the gym all the time.

00:28:37.000 You know, my son wrestling next door and they over here boxing.

00:28:42.000 And I'm both one side and the other side.

00:28:45.000 So your son just won a wrestling title.

00:28:47.000 Yeah, he just won state as a freshman.

00:28:49.000 That's incredible.

00:28:50.000 Yeah.

00:28:51.000 That's incredible.

00:28:52.000 That's so amazing.

00:28:54.000 What does he want to do?

00:28:56.000 He wants to go D1.

00:28:57.000 Yeah.

00:28:57.000 He wants to.

00:28:58.000 He told me that Saturday after the tournament, we on our way to the Ryan Garcia fight.

00:29:05.000 He said, Dad, I want to go to the Olympics.

00:29:08.000 I said, you want to?

00:29:08.000 Wow.

00:29:10.000 Said, what kind of mind state is that?

00:29:13.000 I said, you're going to go.

00:29:14.000 I said, you got to have it in your mind.

00:29:16.000 You going.

00:29:18.000 You can't say you want to go.

00:29:19.000 You got to say, I'm going to the Olympics.

00:29:21.000 That way you know you're already programming it, you know, for the future.

00:29:26.000 How did you learn that mentality?

00:29:28.000 Man, been doubted my whole life.

00:29:32.000 You know, been doubted my whole life.

00:29:33.000 And my coach, Mitch Miner, used to always say, Lottie Dottie, we fight anybody.

00:29:39.000 They ain't fought you yet.

00:29:40.000 You know, and I just carried that on my shoulders.

00:29:44.000 Like, anybody you put in front of me, they ain't fought me yet.

00:29:48.000 So you can't tell me they can beat me until they beat me.

00:29:51.000 So just like my son, like, hey, you got to have that confidence that whatever you say you want to do, you're going to go out and do it.

00:29:57.000 But you got to put the work in first.

00:30:00.000 So in that sense, doubters give you fuel.

00:30:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:05.000 There's a lot of people like that.

00:30:06.000 A lot of people like that.

00:30:07.000 They live off the haters.

00:30:08.000 Yeah.

00:30:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:10.000 They fuel me up.

00:30:11.000 And then, especially when it's crazy because, like, Majimov and Canelo, they were so respectful, you know, and I respect them.

00:30:20.000 You know, I've been a fan of Majimov, you know, coming from Uzbekistan and learning the bottom and hearing about him. 0.95

00:30:30.000 And I always been a fan of Canelo, like, since I could remember.

00:30:35.000 You know, so I didn't have that like killer like mind, like heart in my heart.

00:30:42.000 Like, I wanted to beat him, but like, my other fights, I was like, man, I want to knock this dude out.

00:30:47.000 Like Benavidez.

00:30:48.000 Yeah.

00:30:49.000 I wanted to knock him out.

00:30:50.000 Like, so, like, even in training, like, I didn't have that rage.

00:30:54.000 Like, this dude talking shit.

00:30:55.000 Like, they never got under my skin.

00:30:58.000 It was like all respectful.

00:30:59.000 So it was like, all right, I want to whoop their ass, but I didn't want to inflict like pain.

00:31:06.000 Like, I want to knock him out.

00:31:08.000 There was one fighter you fought at 140.

00:31:10.000 His name is escaping me.

00:31:12.000 But you stopped him in the fifth.

00:31:14.000 Yeah, I wanted to knock him.

00:31:14.000 Yes.

00:31:15.000 Oh, boy.

00:31:16.000 Yeah.

00:31:17.000 And I was so mad.

00:31:18.000 Like, when you watched that fight, you know, I missed like, when they stopped it, I missed like two crazy hooks.

00:31:25.000 And I just was like, man, why couldn't I land him?

00:31:28.000 Like, he would have gone to sleep.

00:31:29.000 Like, he was actually just stopping him.

00:31:33.000 I want to put him to sleep, but you know, it's a sport and it is what it is.

00:31:38.000 And I'm happy that we all could go home to our family and talk about it, you know, years down the line.

00:31:45.000 Yeah.

00:31:47.000 Well, that is the danger of the sport.

00:31:49.000 That's why it's so different than every other sport.

00:31:51.000 It's like you're legitimately putting your life on the line.

00:31:54.000 Yeah.

00:31:55.000 And a lot of people don't understand that until something happened.

00:31:58.000 Right.

00:31:59.000 You know, us boxers, a lot of boxers have died in that ring.

00:32:04.000 A lot of boxers have went in a ring one way and left it a different way.

00:32:10.000 Yes.

00:32:10.000 You know, so when a lot of fans, they criticize boxers for doing what the sport is for, and that's boxing.

00:32:23.000 You know, us boxers, like, you're not even here getting your brains beat out.

00:32:28.000 So what you consider boring, we consider us doing what the sport is meant to do is box.

00:32:38.000 Right.

00:32:39.000 You know, and I think a lot of fans don't give a lot of fighters, they just do for boxing.

00:32:50.000 You know, like Floyd, like Shakur, you know, when they pure boxers.

00:32:54.000 Yes.

00:32:55.000 You know, they want to see people bleeding, battered, knocked out, you know, but they're not thinking about the aftermath and the after effects of them fighters going to the hospital, blood on their brains, pissing blood and things like that.

00:33:12.000 Like, your body is not meant to be beat on like that.

00:33:15.000 Right.

00:33:15.000 You know, so they just looking at, oh, well, I paid this money.

00:33:19.000 Y'all going to go in there and kill each other. 1.00

00:33:22.000 You know, and I think that's wrong.

00:33:24.000 Yeah, well, you're always going to have morons in this world.

00:33:27.000 You're always going to have casuals.

00:33:29.000 You're always going to have people that don't appreciate what they're seeing.

00:33:32.000 But like when I see a performance like Shakur versus Tia Fimo that last fight, like that was art.

00:33:38.000 That was art.

00:33:39.000 That sneaky jab where it was like half speed and then popping him with the jab. 0.88

00:33:43.000 And you can see Lopez just couldn't get out of the way of it.

00:33:46.000 He didn't know what to do.

00:33:48.000 It was beautiful.

00:33:50.000 It barely got hit.

00:33:51.000 It was beautiful.

00:33:53.000 And things like that.

00:33:55.000 You know, you see two high-caliber fighters, but you just see one just on a different level because of his boxing IQ.

00:34:06.000 You know, not because TFEMO didn't belong in the ring with him.

00:34:10.000 It's just that Shakur IQ and his boxing ability is up here. 0.96

00:34:16.000 Yes.

00:34:17.000 You know, he didn't have to sit in front of him and trade shots and give TL Fimo the opportunity to land a good shot and change the outcome of the fight.

00:34:30.000 One shot, I don't care who you are, in the right spot at the right moment, anybody can get knocked out.

00:34:38.000 Yeah, without a doubt.

00:34:38.000 Without a doubt.

00:34:40.000 I mean, the human brain is not designed to get punched.

00:34:43.000 Right.

00:34:44.000 It's just not designed that way, especially big punchers.

00:34:47.000 And when you see a guy like Tia Fimo, Tia Fimo can crack.

00:34:50.000 He's a big dude, and he's a world champion.

00:34:52.000 And it was one of the most lopsided performances ever where you see one world champion challenging another world champion.

00:34:58.000 For sure.

00:34:59.000 I mean, it was art.

00:35:01.000 To me, every moment of that fight, like up until the 12th round, I was just like, there was multiple times I was like, oh, oh, my good.

00:35:11.000 It was just beautiful.

00:35:13.000 I love watching a guy at the pinnacle.

00:35:16.000 You know, watching a guy where everybody else is going to go, wow.

00:35:19.000 I didn't think it was going to go like this.

00:35:21.000 Because, you know, Tia Fimo's a super aggressive guy, beat Lomachenko, he's got a nasty jab, throws big power in his punches. 1.00

00:35:29.000 He's tough as hell.

00:35:30.000 You know, a lot of people are like, this is going to be a tough fight.

00:35:33.000 And Shakur just, and he didn't run.

00:35:35.000 He stood right in front of him.

00:35:37.000 That's the other thing.

00:35:38.000 He wasn't getting hit, and he was right in front of him.

00:35:41.000 I mean, that was art.

00:35:43.000 That's boxing at the highest level.

00:35:43.000 That was art.

00:35:46.000 And I'm fascinated because now they're talking about him and Ryan Garcia.

00:35:51.000 I am fascinated to watch that fight because that's a Shakur's a different animal. 1.00

00:35:57.000 Ryan looked amazing in that fight.

00:35:59.000 I mean, he looked amazing.

00:36:01.000 I mean, he looked so fast, and it was a beautiful fight to watch.

00:36:05.000 But that's an interesting fight.

00:36:08.000 Shakur and him, I like that fight a lot.

00:36:08.000 I like that fight.

00:36:11.000 Because Shakur is a different animal. 0.97

00:36:14.000 You're dealing with a whole different kind of skill set.

00:36:16.000 Yeah, Shakur.

00:36:18.000 Listen, I went down to camp before he fought TFEMO, and I seen his focus and the level of, you know, intense training he was doing.

00:36:33.000 And I said, I don't know at all, but I know Shakur is going to whoop TFEMO's ass. 0.76

00:36:39.000 I tweeted that way before the fight, you know, and he went out there and did it.

00:36:45.000 Ryan looked spectacular in this fight for what it was.

00:36:49.000 I don't think Barrios came to fight.

00:36:51.000 You know, Ryan was boxing great.

00:36:54.000 You know, the jab was working.

00:36:56.000 The overhand right was working.

00:36:59.000 And he looks out at me at the end and say, you see my jab?

00:37:06.000 I said, man, it was working.

00:37:08.000 That jab was beautiful because we're not used to seeing Ryan jab.

00:37:13.000 Right.

00:37:13.000 You know, or boxing for that matter.

00:37:17.000 You know, he was boxing beautiful.

00:37:20.000 Beautiful.

00:37:20.000 You know, and I commend him on that.

00:37:22.000 Like, he aced it, you know.

00:37:25.000 But when it comes to Shakur, Shakur is not a Barrios.

00:37:30.000 You know, Shakur got a jab.

00:37:32.000 Shakur got head movement.

00:37:34.000 Shakur got defense.

00:37:36.000 Shakur knows range.

00:37:38.000 Shakur have good legs.

00:37:41.000 So I look at that fight like it's not going to be as a competitive fight like everybody thinks because if Ryan get careless, he's going to get countered all day.

00:37:54.000 If he gets careless, I think he'll fight very differently than he fought with Barrios.

00:37:58.000 Barrios just couldn't keep up with the speed.

00:37:58.000 He's got to.

00:38:01.000 I mean, Ryan's speed is extraordinary.

00:38:03.000 He relies on it a lot.

00:38:05.000 But, I mean, that's not a knock.

00:38:07.000 That's just like if you had it, everybody should rely on that.

00:38:10.000 Man, he's not nuts.

00:38:12.000 Shakur's a different animal. 0.93

00:38:13.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:38:14.000 Well, a lot of people thought Devin Haney was different, though, right?

00:38:14.000 It's a different animal.

00:38:17.000 A lot of people thought Devin Haney was going to give him real problems.

00:38:20.000 When he dropped Devin early with a left hook, everybody was like, oh, this is different.

00:38:25.000 I wish he didn't have a positive drug test in that fight because that fucking tainted everything.

00:38:31.000 They know each other far too well.

00:38:35.000 I think him and Devin fought each other the most out of all of them.

00:38:41.000 You know, Shakur and Ryan fought as well, which Shakur won all the times that they fought.

00:38:48.000 But I just think, you know, him and Devin, the history of it, Devin came in there overconfident.

00:39:00.000 Ryan, you know, being juiced up, you know, added a little, whatever it did.

00:39:07.000 But, you know, you can't take it away from him landing the punches that he was landing.

00:39:12.000 You can't take away from the performance that, you know, he was doing.

00:39:19.000 But when you want to steroise that, add to definitely add something.

00:39:25.000 What was he?

00:39:26.000 What did he get popped for?

00:39:27.000 Do you remember?

00:39:28.000 I don't even know.

00:39:29.000 Find out what he got popped for.

00:39:31.000 It was a very low level of whatever he got popped for.

00:39:34.000 And a lot of people say, oh, the levels, it wouldn't even matter.

00:39:38.000 It's such a small level.

00:39:40.000 The problem is, there's a lot of ways you can mask the amount of steroids you have in your system.

00:39:46.000 And that's one of the reasons why the UFC banned IVs.

00:39:50.000 Because you can flush your body out if you super hydrate with IVs.

00:39:56.000 I don't know what you're supposed to put in the IV, but there's some nutrients that you can put in IVs that will mask any traces of performance-enhancing drugs, which is why UFC, you have to hydrate.

00:40:08.000 This is drug-free sports policy and USADA's policy.

00:40:12.000 You have to hydrate only with drinking liquids.

00:40:14.000 You can't hydrate with an IV.

00:40:16.000 And when you use an IV, which I don't, were they allowed to use IVs to rehydrate?

00:40:20.000 I don't know.

00:40:21.000 When you use IVs to rehydrate, you can mask a lot of shit.

00:40:25.000 So if he did use an IV to rehydrate and he only showed a trace amount, that's still.

00:40:34.000 What did he test positive for?

00:40:36.000 Lost?

00:40:37.000 I missed which fighter you're talking about.

00:40:38.000 Ryan Garcia.

00:40:39.000 Oh, that's right.

00:40:40.000 Ryan Garcia, when he fought Devin Haney, the fight got overturned, right?

00:40:43.000 It was a no-contest, which is very unfortunate because it was a clear victory, one of his best victories ever.

00:40:48.000 Dropped Devin, had him in trouble a bunch of times.

00:40:51.000 Dropped him how many times?

00:40:53.000 A few.

00:40:54.000 Yeah, a few times.

00:40:55.000 He looked fucking great in that fight.

00:40:57.000 Yeah, he did.

00:40:58.000 And I think, unfortunately, you know, that positive drug test, just osterine.

00:41:05.000 Yeah.

00:41:06.000 Okay.

00:41:08.000 I think, you know, both of those fights is great fights for Ryan.

00:41:14.000 Ryan's in a great position right now.

00:41:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:41:17.000 You know, he got the Roly unification fight.

00:41:21.000 You know, he lost to Roly.

00:41:24.000 He got that fight that he can, you know, try to avenge in a unification fight.

00:41:29.000 Rowley looked great in that fight.

00:41:30.000 He got Devin in a unification fight.

00:41:34.000 He got Shakur in a spectacular fight.

00:41:39.000 So Ryan's in a great position right now.

00:41:42.000 If Javante comes back, he's got that rematch.

00:41:45.000 I think Javante is going to fight him without having those type of claws.

00:41:49.000 The rehydration clause.

00:41:51.000 Yeah.

00:41:51.000 Bring him down.

00:41:52.000 And you got to do this and you got to do that.

00:41:54.000 That's crazy.

00:41:56.000 Those clauses are crazy.

00:41:57.000 You can't weigh more than X. Fuck off of that.

00:42:01.000 That's like with me and Canelo.

00:42:02.000 I'm like, man, listen, I'm challenging you.

00:42:04.000 Yeah.

00:42:05.000 You can weigh whatever you want.

00:42:06.000 I don't want no excuses.

00:42:08.000 You know, hey, it is what it is.

00:42:12.000 All you got to do is weigh 168.

00:42:14.000 Yeah.

00:42:15.000 You know, the day before that, it is what it is.

00:42:18.000 Well, that's the same shit that Floyd made Canelo do.

00:42:20.000 Yeah.

00:42:21.000 That's where they got it from.

00:42:21.000 Yeah.

00:42:22.000 Yeah.

00:42:24.000 That's where they got it from.

00:42:26.000 The thing is, these guys see that big number.

00:42:28.000 They see those purses and they go, oh, I can fight good.

00:42:33.000 I'll just get a little smaller beforehand.

00:42:36.000 It's just not smart.

00:42:37.000 Yeah, your body's not going to react when it's not fully hydrated.

00:42:41.000 No, not chance.

00:42:42.000 It's the worst way to fight.

00:42:44.000 I think guys who cut a tremendous amount of weight, they do themselves a terrible disservice.

00:42:49.000 I think it's terrible for your body.

00:42:49.000 They really do.

00:42:51.000 What's the most you ever had to cut?

00:42:53.000 The most I ever had to cut was probably like 25.

00:42:58.000 Whew, that's a lot.

00:42:59.000 What weight was that, 35 or 40?

00:43:01.000 47.

00:43:02.000 47, really?

00:43:03.000 Wow.

00:43:05.000 My last fight with Spence.

00:43:07.000 And when did you start your cut?

00:43:09.000 Whew, months.

00:43:10.000 Months out.

00:43:11.000 Yeah, months out.

00:43:12.000 So the week of the fight, what were you at?

00:43:15.000 Probably like 152, 54.

00:43:20.000 Oh, okay.

00:43:21.000 That's very good.

00:43:22.000 That's very reasonable.

00:43:24.000 See, MMA fighters do it in a fucked up way.

00:43:26.000 Them last couple of pounds is tough.

00:43:28.000 Yeah.

00:43:29.000 Them last couple of pounds are tough, and I just knew that it was over with.

00:43:34.000 I knew it was over with, you know.

00:43:36.000 But the hardest cut ever was when I was at 135.

00:43:42.000 That was like killing me.

00:43:45.000 What were you walking around at back then?

00:43:47.000 Probably like in the 50s.

00:43:52.000 Like 55.

00:43:55.000 And so would you just lower your calories in camp, in camp?

00:44:00.000 Everything.

00:44:01.000 I'm going to change my whole diet.

00:44:03.000 And then the week of the fight, what did you weigh when you were fighting 35?

00:44:08.000 I don't even, man, I was cutting like probably like seven pounds the week of the fight.

00:44:19.000 See, in the MMA world, that's nothing.

00:44:22.000 These guys are cutting.

00:44:23.000 Because they wait to the last minute.

00:44:26.000 I know a lot of MMA fighters.

00:44:28.000 They just dehydrate.

00:44:29.000 Yeah, they wait to the last minute.

00:44:30.000 But mine, I got to start gradually because I never want to go in there and just like tank.

00:44:39.000 So I got to change my eating habits up months, like two months in advance.

00:44:45.000 That way I can get my body used to being lighter and performing at that weight class because if not, you're doing more hurting yourself than good because you're taking all the fluid out of your brain.

00:45:01.000 You know, and yeah, I couldn't be at no disadvantage like that.

00:45:01.000 Exactly.

00:45:06.000 And it makes you more vulnerable to getting knocked out.

00:45:08.000 Yeah.

00:45:09.000 I mean, Alex Pereira was the craziest example in the UFC.

00:45:09.000 Definitely.

00:45:13.000 He was fighting at 185 and he would weigh 225 when he fought, which is bananas.

00:45:19.000 I mean, that's 40 fucking pounds.

00:45:22.000 I think that's why I got when I fought Gamboa, when I got hurt, you know, in the ninth ground.

00:45:32.000 But I stopped him in the ninth round, but that was part of that.

00:45:36.000 Boom.

00:45:36.000 Caught me with a clean shot.

00:45:38.000 Boom.

00:45:39.000 I was like, oh, shit.

00:45:42.000 You know, until this day, that's the only fight that I got hurt like that ever.

00:45:50.000 You know, a lot of people thought Mean Machine dropped me, Mean Machine hurt me.

00:45:54.000 I didn't got, Mean Machine hit me with some hard shots, some clean hard shots, but nothing was like that, Gamboa.

00:46:01.000 Like my whole leg locked up.

00:46:02.000 And I was just like, man, I got to grab this dude.

00:46:06.000 And you think the weight cut had a lot to do with that?

00:46:08.000 Yeah.

00:46:08.000 Definitely.

00:46:09.000 What weight was that at?

00:46:10.000 135.

00:46:11.000 Yeah, 135.

00:46:12.000 You're a big guy, man.

00:46:14.000 That's a lot of weight to cut.

00:46:16.000 That's the most problematic part of MMA for sure. 0.95

00:46:21.000 I was actually just having a conversation with Hunter Campbell about that.

00:46:24.000 They're trying to devise strategies to discourage these big weight cuts and trying to figure out what to do.

00:46:30.000 It was crazy, though, because I've always been skinny.

00:46:34.000 You know, a lot of people, they say, oh, he's a weight bully.

00:46:37.000 He's this, he's that.

00:46:38.000 And it's like, bro, I came from 132.

00:46:43.000 I wasn't at, you know, you see a lot of these fighters, they in the amateurs, they, like Sean Porter, he was at 165, then he went to 147.

00:46:52.000 You know, a lot of people, they was heavier, then they dropped weight.

00:46:56.000 I was at 132, and I moved up to go at 135, you know, as a professional.

00:47:03.000 And I was cool with the weight.

00:47:05.000 Then I just started filling out once I started, you know, working out more and doing a little strength of condition.

00:47:12.000 And I just started, my body started filling out.

00:47:15.000 So I kept moving up.

00:47:17.000 The weight that I was at with Canelo, that's the most comfortable time of my career to be able to eat whatever I want, not focus on weight.

00:47:30.000 Did you feel much better in the ring because of that?

00:47:32.000 I did.

00:47:33.000 I did because that was the only time that I never, like, I had to eat to keep my weight on me.

00:47:41.000 Wow.

00:47:42.000 And it's like, you know, I'm not used to doing that.

00:47:46.000 Like, I'm used to, you know, starving.

00:47:48.000 We got portions.

00:47:49.000 It's like they feed me big meals.

00:47:51.000 I'm like, I can't eat all this.

00:47:53.000 You know, but so that was the one camp that it was like the weight wasn't an issue.

00:48:01.000 Do you have a nutritionist in camp?

00:48:03.000 And so, how do they, how do they do your meals?

00:48:06.000 Is it all based on X amount of protein, X amount of carbs?

00:48:09.000 It's all weighed out.

00:48:10.000 All that.

00:48:11.000 Yeah.

00:48:12.000 Yeah.

00:48:12.000 And then they weigh you, check you, make you body fat.

00:48:15.000 They ask me what I weigh in the morning, every morning.

00:48:18.000 What did you weigh like when you got into the ring?

00:48:21.000 I think I was like 72.

00:48:23.000 Okay.

00:48:24.000 Just a few pounds.

00:48:25.000 Yeah.

00:48:26.000 Nothing.

00:48:27.000 Yeah.

00:48:29.000 I didn't weigh probably a couple of pounds.

00:48:32.000 Yeah.

00:48:32.000 The only difference in MMA is obviously the grappling, you know, and that's, it plays a big advantage if you can get a lot of weight on a guy.

00:48:40.000 That's that's why a lot of guys do it.

00:48:43.000 It's also, MMA is very flawed.

00:48:46.000 And one of the most flawed aspects of it is the weight classes.

00:48:48.000 There's just not enough weight classes.

00:48:50.000 Yeah.

00:48:50.000 There's giant leaps.

00:48:52.000 Like between 205, the next weight class is heavyweight.

00:48:57.000 So it's 205 to 265.

00:49:00.000 185, the next weight class is 205.

00:49:03.000 That's 20 pounds.

00:49:05.000 That's nuts.

00:49:06.000 170 to 185.

00:49:07.000 15 fucking pounds is a lot.

00:49:09.000 A lot.

00:49:09.000 That's a lot.

00:49:10.000 Seven pounds is a lot.

00:49:11.000 55 to 70.

00:49:13.000 Yeah, seven pounds is a lot.

00:49:14.000 A lot of people don't know, but I was way stronger at 47 than I was at 40.

00:49:19.000 And that's only seven pounds.

00:49:21.000 Right.

00:49:21.000 That's seven pounds of muscle that I don't have to cut.

00:49:24.000 Right.

00:49:25.000 Yeah.

00:49:25.000 And a lot of people think, oh, it's just seven pounds or 135 to 140.

00:49:30.000 It's just five pounds.

00:49:31.000 Oh, that matters.

00:49:32.000 Yes, it matters a lot.

00:49:33.000 And for fighters, there's a lot of guys that are tweeners.

00:49:37.000 They're too big for 155.

00:49:39.000 They can't make the weight.

00:49:40.000 And then they're too small for 170.

00:49:42.000 Yes.

00:49:43.000 Because at 170, you got guys that are never going to make 155.

00:49:46.000 They're coming down from 210 and they're getting to 170 and they're jacked.

00:49:50.000 I know somebody that was coming out from 230 fighting at 165.

00:49:56.000 Oh my God.

00:49:57.000 Who was that?

00:49:59.000 I ain't going to say his name.

00:50:00.000 Well, Anthony Rumble Johnson was the craziest one that I ever saw.

00:50:04.000 230.

00:50:05.000 Anthony Rumble Johnson was 230 and he was fighting at 170.

00:50:08.000 I ran into Rumble once.

00:50:10.000 Rest in peace.

00:50:11.000 He died a few years back.

00:50:13.000 I ran into Rumble once when he was fighting at 170 and he was in between fights and I ran into him at the hotel and he was a fucking heavyweight.

00:50:21.000 He was so big, I couldn't, I go, what do you weigh?

00:50:24.000 Yeah.

00:50:25.000 And he said 230.

00:50:26.000 I'm like, dude, that's crazy.

00:50:28.000 You have to cut 60 pounds?

00:50:31.000 But it was killing him.

00:50:32.000 It was killing him.

00:50:33.000 Like literally to the brink of death the day before a fight.

00:50:38.000 That's nuts.

00:50:39.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:50:41.000 And they were all doing it because they all felt like they had to be the biggest guy in there.

00:50:44.000 Yeah.

00:50:46.000 Not smart.

00:50:47.000 No.

00:50:48.000 I think for MMA, they really need to recognize this.

00:50:53.000 That one of the things that's going to stop weight cluts is give people more weight classes. 1.00

00:50:58.000 Give people more options.

00:51:00.000 This idea of only having eight champions, I think, in MMA is very, very limiting.

00:51:05.000 It's also limiting the potential of a guy like you to go up and up and up and win championship after championship.

00:51:11.000 In MMA, if you win two belts, that's crazy.

00:51:14.000 That's the only thing anybody.

00:51:15.000 The weight class is so far apart.

00:51:17.000 Exactly.

00:51:18.000 The only people that have ever done it have done it in two weight classes.

00:51:21.000 No one's done it in three.

00:51:23.000 You know, Pereira might try to do it at heavyweight.

00:51:25.000 He might try to go up to heavyweight now because he's walking around like 240, which is crazy because he used to fight at 185.

00:51:32.000 It's nuts.

00:51:33.000 But if they had more options and they had more weight classes, I think we'd have more competitive fights. 1.00

00:51:39.000 We'd have less extreme weight cutting.

00:51:41.000 We'd have healthier fighters.

00:51:43.000 Just more champions is better.

00:51:45.000 I mean, there's a lot of guys that could be champions.

00:51:48.000 There's not a weight class for them.

00:51:50.000 If there's a 20-pound gap, 20 pounds is so much.

00:51:54.000 If I put 20 pounds of bone and muscle on this table and show you what it looks like, you'd be like, whoa, that's a crazy amount of mass.

00:52:04.000 And the difference between losing that, gaining that, being in the middle of that, it's pretty significant.

00:52:09.000 So for a lot of fighters, they're just their frame doesn't line up perfectly with whatever the division is.

00:52:15.000 It just, they don't have a chance.

00:52:17.000 Yeah.

00:52:18.000 Sucks.

00:52:19.000 It does.

00:52:20.000 It drives me nuts.

00:52:21.000 It drives me nuts.

00:52:22.000 I think extreme weight cutting is the worst thing that's ever happened to the sport of MMA.

00:52:27.000 Any sport.

00:52:28.000 But in boxing, it's not as extreme.

00:52:28.000 Any sport.

00:52:31.000 No one really does it.

00:52:32.000 Jerry McClellan used to do it.

00:52:34.000 He got real big in between fights.

00:52:36.000 Real big.

00:52:37.000 He was.

00:52:37.000 But that cost him in the Nigel Benn fight.

00:52:40.000 I think that probably is what led to his bleeding of the brain.

00:52:44.000 That's probably one of the contributing factors to why he's, you know, he's so hurt right now.

00:52:52.000 You know, and that fucked Roy up too, because back at the time, that was his biggest rival was Gerald.

00:52:58.000 And, you know, Roy was always like, I do not want that ever happening to me.

00:53:02.000 You know, yeah, like, man, like I say, when you lose that weight and you don't understand, you're losing that fluid in the back of your brain.

00:53:12.000 You know, and it takes days for that fluid to fully return to your brain, especially when you're just drinking the water and not IV rehydrating.

00:53:21.000 It's tough.

00:53:23.000 Yeah, it's uh, but I mean, boxing's been around longer, they've got it figured out.

00:53:28.000 And unfortunately, or fortunately, the UFC dominates MMA, and they only have eight weight classes, so everybody else only has eight weight classes.

00:53:37.000 California has instituted a bunch of different weight classes, but nobody the UFC has a heavyweight limit.

00:53:43.000 You know how crazy that is?

00:53:45.000 Isn't that stupid?

00:53:46.000 It's stupid, right?

00:53:47.000 It definitely is.

00:53:48.000 Talk to these people.

00:53:48.000 I'm just now learning about that.

00:53:50.000 265.

00:53:50.000 You didn't know?

00:53:51.000 You have to weigh 265.

00:53:53.000 So think about Tyson Fury.

00:53:54.000 When Tyson Fury fought Deontay, he was like 280, 285.

00:53:58.000 Yeah.

00:53:58.000 Imagine he's got to dehydrate himself.

00:54:00.000 He's got to lose 20 fucking pounds just to make the weight class.

00:54:03.000 That's retarded. 1.00

00:54:04.000 That doesn't make any sense at all.

00:54:05.000 At all.

00:54:06.000 It's the heavyweight.

00:54:06.000 At all.

00:54:07.000 It's the heaviest weight we can go.

00:54:09.000 Remember Valuev when he was fighting Everender Holyfield?

00:54:11.000 Oh, it was huge.

00:54:13.000 God, he had to be over 300 pounds.

00:54:15.000 He was giant.

00:54:16.000 He was a literal giant, an actual giant.

00:54:19.000 Yeah.

00:54:20.000 So I think that's something you need to talk to Dana about.

00:54:23.000 Nobody listens to me, bro.

00:54:25.000 They don't.

00:54:26.000 They think I'm crazy.

00:54:26.000 They don't listen to me.

00:54:27.000 Well, we got to petition it, Dana.

00:54:29.000 Oh, I have a bunch of wacky rules that I want to institute.

00:54:32.000 So I understand why they don't want to listen to me.

00:54:34.000 I would throw the whole sport up in the air.

00:54:36.000 I think these combat sports, it got to come from the fighters.

00:54:43.000 You know, just like boxing, I think if the fighters come together, they can make anything happen.

00:54:51.000 The fighters don't understand the level of power that they carry because they think, oh, since they're cutting the check, they got the power.

00:54:59.000 Right.

00:55:00.000 You know, but they can't cut the check without us.

00:55:03.000 You know, but it's the fighters that need the money that makes it hard.

00:55:09.000 Right.

00:55:10.000 Because the fighters that already got the money, they can make a stand for something.

00:55:14.000 But the fighters that doesn't, they like, well, you can do that.

00:55:19.000 I got to provide for my family.

00:55:21.000 You can take a chance of going at the organization for a year or however long it's going to last, but who gonna pay my bills?

00:55:32.000 Right.

00:55:32.000 Who gonna put food on my family table while we doing this, while we're making this stand?

00:55:37.000 So it's a little tougher for them to make that stand than a person that's already established.

00:55:43.000 You know, and I think that's where, you know, the seesaw effect happens with boxing and UFC because UFC is more extreme because it's really just the UFC.

00:55:43.000 Yes.

00:55:56.000 Yeah.

00:55:56.000 It's really, I mean, even Francis Ngano, right?

00:55:59.000 Francis and Gano, one of the most devastating fighters to ever compete in MMA, UFC heavyweight champion.

00:56:05.000 They couldn't get a deal signed, and he winds up leaving and goes to the PFL.

00:56:10.000 But nobody's watching.

00:56:11.000 Nobody watches.

00:56:12.000 Nobody cares.

00:56:14.000 He knocked out some dude in the PFL and nobody cared.

00:56:17.000 Is he making more money?

00:56:18.000 Yes.

00:56:19.000 He care.

00:56:20.000 He cares.

00:56:21.000 Well, that's why he did it.

00:56:22.000 Yeah, that's all down at a great deal with the PFL.

00:56:26.000 And then he got to box, box Tyson Fury, boxed Anthony Joshua.

00:56:30.000 Doing well.

00:56:31.000 Doing well.

00:56:32.000 Much, much more money, for sure.

00:56:34.000 Which is good, but the fortunate and unfortunate.

00:56:37.000 Fortunate that the UFC is the best promotional organization that's ever existed.

00:56:41.000 They really know how to do it.

00:56:43.000 They do it right.

00:56:44.000 They make stars out of these fighters.

00:56:45.000 They give them all these opportunities.

00:56:48.000 They get the most asses in the seats. 1.00

00:56:51.000 Every pay-per-view sells well.

00:56:52.000 When there's a UFC pay-per-view, people line up to see it.

00:56:55.000 There's a bunch of stars in the UFC.

00:56:58.000 But unfortunately, when they're in other organizations, even if they're getting paid more, nobody knows who they are.

00:57:05.000 And so if they want to come to the UFC, they have to take a pay cut, which is crazy.

00:57:09.000 So you're leaving an organization.

00:57:11.000 Like, if you're going from small promotions in boxing, and then all of a sudden you're in a world title fight and you're in Golden Boy promotions, you would imagine now I'm getting paid more money.

00:57:23.000 More people are watching me.

00:57:25.000 But it's not the case.

00:57:26.000 Like these other organizations like the PFL have to pay these guys more money because otherwise they can't get them at all because everybody wants to fight in the UFC.

00:57:34.000 It's not a monopoly because there is other options.

00:57:37.000 There's one FC, there's PFL, there's some organizations in Russia and other parts of the world.

00:57:43.000 But the reality is it's like the NFL or like, you know, Q-TIPS.

00:57:48.000 It's like it's got a name.

00:57:49.000 It's the NBA.

00:57:50.000 Nobody wants to watch some new basketball organization.

00:57:53.000 Nobody wants to watch that.

00:57:54.000 I mean, the XFL, do people watch it?

00:57:56.000 I don't know.

00:57:57.000 But it's not the Super Bowl.

00:57:58.000 You know, it's like there's one big organization.

00:58:01.000 That's the NFL.

00:58:02.000 There's one big MMA organization.

00:58:04.000 That's the UFC.

00:58:06.000 And for these guys that want the glory, they want to be known as the best in the world, there's one place to be.

00:58:12.000 So it's very difficult for those guys to hold out for more money.

00:58:16.000 It goes back to identity and what you're doing it for.

00:58:19.000 Right.

00:58:20.000 You know, that's what you got to ask yourself.

00:58:23.000 Is you doing it for fame?

00:58:27.000 Is you doing it for to provide stability for your family?

00:58:34.000 Is it, I need money?

00:58:36.000 Like, what are you doing for me?

00:58:38.000 Yeah, definitely legacy.

00:58:40.000 For the greats of the greats, legacy is the primary focus, almost always.

00:58:45.000 Greatness is always the primary focus because otherwise you never achieve greatness.

00:58:49.000 If you're just thinking about money, I don't think those guys ever get to the level that you're at or the level that like the elite of the elite get.

00:58:56.000 I think those guys have to have their eye on being the number one dog, period.

00:59:02.000 Facts.

00:59:02.000 That's why I asked, what are you doing it for?

00:59:04.000 Because Nganu, you know, he's already famous.

00:59:08.000 Right.

00:59:09.000 He probably like, okay, well, if y'all gonna pay me X amount over here and they only gonna pay me this, then it makes business sense to go over here.

00:59:21.000 You know, and that's just like Connor Baron.

00:59:21.000 Yes.

00:59:26.000 He just signed with Zufa.

00:59:29.000 And a lot of people was saying he's disloyal and Eddie Hearns now was loyal to him and this and that and this.

00:59:37.000 He's getting 15 million for his family.

00:59:38.000 I'm like, man, what is people talking about?

00:59:40.000 I said, it's just business.

00:59:42.000 It ain't personal with them, I bet.

00:59:45.000 I said, Connor Ben did what was best for him and his family.

00:59:49.000 I said, just like the promotional company's going to do what's best for them and their business.

00:59:54.000 If a fighter that they sign lose probably two straight, they get to cut them.

01:00:00.000 No questions asked.

01:00:02.000 Why?

01:00:03.000 Because now they wasting money they feel.

01:00:05.000 They don't care about that person's family.

01:00:07.000 They don't care about that person relationship with them.

01:00:11.000 They're not going in there with their heart like, oh man, like you a good buddy.

01:00:16.000 They're like, ah, sorry, it's just business.

01:00:18.000 Cut you.

01:00:19.000 So when a fighter does the same thing that a promotional company do or a manager or anybody else, it's all you disloyal, you this, you that.

01:00:28.000 I'm like, make it make sense.

01:00:30.000 It doesn't make any sense in boxing because in boxing, there's so many promoters.

01:00:34.000 There's so many different people.

01:00:35.000 It's Eddie Hearns, Bob Aram.

01:00:38.000 This is so many different promoters.

01:00:40.000 Don King.

01:00:41.000 There's so many different promoters.

01:00:42.000 That's the beauty of boxing, is that there's a lot of competition and there's a lot of people that are there to try to get you over onto their side.

01:00:51.000 And there's cross-promotion.

01:00:52.000 There's no cross-promotion in the MMA.

01:00:54.000 It doesn't exist.

01:00:56.000 They tried it a little bit in the early days.

01:00:58.000 They sent some UFC fighters over to Japan to fight for Pride.

01:01:02.000 And they brought some Pride fighters over into the UFC, but they don't do that anymore.

01:01:07.000 That was the early days because the sport wasn't big back then.

01:01:10.000 They were just trying to get big names and they were trying to work a promotional deal.

01:01:15.000 But Japanese, man, they're clever. 0.98

01:01:18.000 Like when they sold them Pride, they thought they were getting all the fighters.

01:01:22.000 Turned out all the contracts were bullshit.

01:01:24.000 None of them were valid.

01:01:25.000 They basically bought Pride for, I think they spent $65 million and they got a library.

01:01:30.000 They just got a video library.

01:01:33.000 UFC did?

01:01:34.000 Yeah, they didn't get shit.

01:01:35.000 They didn't get Fedor.

01:01:37.000 Fedor was the big dog.

01:01:38.000 At one point in time, he was kicking everybody's legs.

01:01:42.000 Fucking everybody up, slamming them, arm barring them, fucking people upstanding. 0.95

01:01:42.000 I remember. 0.95

01:01:47.000 He was complete.

01:01:49.000 And he was at the same time where Cain Velasquez was in his prime.

01:01:54.000 And that was the fight that they tried to put together.

01:01:56.000 But the Russians, because the UFC didn't have a contract with Fedor anymore, because the contracts at Pride were all bullshit, they had to deal with these Russian gangsters. 0.88

01:02:07.000 And these Russian gangsters were like, they wanted a piece of the promotion. 0.90

01:02:11.000 They wanted a lot.

01:02:12.000 And the UFC wasn't willing.

01:02:13.000 It got very contentious.

01:02:15.000 The UFC had to up their security.

01:02:17.000 It got sketchy.

01:02:19.000 It got sketchy.

01:02:20.000 They're bad dudes.

01:02:22.000 Those are bad dudes.

01:02:25.000 But it's just, as a fan, we were robbed.

01:02:29.000 We were robbed of one of the greatest matchups in the history of the sport.

01:02:33.000 And there's a few of those moments in combat sports where you've got these just top dogs where you're like, God, we got to see that happen.

01:02:43.000 For a while, it was Floyd and Manny, right?

01:02:45.000 For a while.

01:02:46.000 And after Juan Manuel Marquez knocked out Manny, it took a little shine off of that.

01:02:52.000 And then eventually they fought, but Manny had a hurt shoulder.

01:02:54.000 And now they're going to do it again.

01:02:56.000 They're both 50.

01:02:57.000 It's crazy.

01:02:59.000 You're going to watch it, though.

01:03:00.000 I'm going to watch it.

01:03:01.000 Fuck you.

01:03:02.000 I'm going to watch him fighting Mike.

01:03:02.000 I'm going to watch it.

01:03:04.000 I think that's crazy.

01:03:06.000 He's going to have an exhibition with Tyson, which is crazy.

01:03:09.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:03:10.000 Mike is so much bigger than him.

01:03:13.000 He's so much bigger than him.

01:03:15.000 He's not going to land a fist on Mayweather.

01:03:18.000 Right.

01:03:19.000 Not after his last performance.

01:03:22.000 I think Tyson just.

01:03:24.000 What do you think was going on with that?

01:03:25.000 The last one?

01:03:26.000 It looked a little bit like sparring.

01:03:28.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:03:29.000 I think it was scripted.

01:03:31.000 Yeah.

01:03:31.000 I ain't never seen Tyson biting his gloves.

01:03:34.000 And like, you could just, it was taking all that he could not to hit him.

01:03:40.000 And it was just like, it's heartbreaking to see an icon go out like that.

01:03:47.000 Yeah.

01:03:47.000 You know, and but it's crazy also to see him bite at 57 years old.

01:03:51.000 Like still, like he shouldn't have been in there at all.

01:03:56.000 You know, I think it's other ways.

01:03:59.000 Yeah.

01:03:59.000 You know, it's other ways for.

01:04:01.000 But what did he get?

01:04:02.000 He got at least 20, right?

01:04:04.000 Yeah, but still, I think he needed that money.

01:04:08.000 Yeah, but with all his connections and things like that, I think people could have put him in the right position to make some money.

01:04:14.000 If he's got people with him that are looking out for his best interest, but you know how it is.

01:04:18.000 When there's a guy like that, that's a big name.

01:04:21.000 Usually everybody around him pretends they're looking out for their best interest.

01:04:25.000 But there's always lawsuits later on.

01:04:28.000 You find out someone was stealing money or not paying him what he deserved.

01:04:32.000 There's always a bunch of bullshit involved.

01:04:34.000 You know, unfortunately, especially if you're not business-minded, which I don't know if Mike is, but most fighters aren't.

01:04:34.000 Yeah.

01:04:41.000 Most fighters concentrate on fighting.

01:04:43.000 To be business-minded, that's a giant distraction.

01:04:46.000 You got to pay attention to all this other shit.

01:04:48.000 On top of that, it's generally not how they think.

01:04:50.000 Right.

01:04:51.000 You know?

01:04:53.000 I mean, look at Floyd.

01:04:55.000 Like, Floyd spends money like it's a tap.

01:04:58.000 Like, he's got a tap.

01:04:59.000 Just like unlimited amount of money.

01:05:02.000 Money's just flowing.

01:05:04.000 And even as much money as he's made in his career, which he's probably made as much, if not more money than any boxer ever.

01:05:10.000 Like, there's all these lawsuits.

01:05:12.000 Like, he hasn't been paying things and he owes money on this and owes money on that.

01:05:16.000 And it's like, and then he's got to come out of retirement.

01:05:19.000 Yeah, that's tough.

01:05:21.000 Yeah.

01:05:22.000 That's tough.

01:05:23.000 I think it's just a lifestyle that Floyd lived.

01:05:26.000 Yes.

01:05:26.000 I think he can't fathom to just live a modest lifestyle.

01:05:32.000 It's like he got to be lavish.

01:05:34.000 He's got to have those videos where he shows you all the watches where he opens the case up.

01:05:34.000 Right.

01:05:40.000 All the money you got to show that he got a million dollars in his backpack.

01:05:44.000 Yeah.

01:05:45.000 You know, he got the latest watch and the latest car.

01:05:48.000 And look what I just bought.

01:05:49.000 And when you get into latest watches and latest cars, you get into that shit.

01:05:54.000 Like, boy, that money goes quick.

01:05:56.000 Yeah.

01:05:57.000 Bugattis are like 3 million. 1.00

01:05:59.000 There's watches that are 3, 5 million.

01:06:01.000 That's crazy.

01:06:02.000 So you buy a watch in a car, you're down 10.

01:06:05.000 That's nuts.

01:06:06.000 That's nuts.

01:06:08.000 Crazy.

01:06:08.000 I remember Iran Barkley was talking about that.

01:06:10.000 Iran Barkley, when he was in his prime, was hanging out with all these professional athletes, and everybody was getting diamond-crusted chains and this and that.

01:06:20.000 And he was keeping up with these people.

01:06:22.000 Like, you got to keep up with the Joneses.

01:06:24.000 And he just found himself draining all of his money.

01:06:28.000 He was talking about it.

01:06:29.000 Like, that was the biggest detriment to him being able to save any money.

01:06:34.000 They're trying to keep up.

01:06:35.000 Yeah.

01:06:36.000 Which I thought was funny when I was listening to this conversation with Chad Ocho Cenco.

01:06:42.000 He was talking about it.

01:06:42.000 He was like, he's wearing fake jewelry.

01:06:45.000 But who would know?

01:06:46.000 What's that?

01:06:47.000 Who would know?

01:06:49.000 Ochro Cenco.

01:06:50.000 It's like when you look at him, flying economy.

01:06:53.000 He was sleeping at the stadium.

01:06:55.000 So he didn't have to pay for a department.

01:06:57.000 So smart.

01:06:58.000 Yeah.

01:06:58.000 So clever.

01:07:00.000 But that's a guy preparing.

01:07:02.000 Ain't nobody going to question him.

01:07:04.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:07:05.000 Oh, man.

01:07:06.000 This NFL star, he got money.

01:07:07.000 Yeah.

01:07:08.000 You know, so we're not going to question if his diamond is real or not.

01:07:11.000 Well, you really can't tell.

01:07:13.000 Right.

01:07:13.000 I can't.

01:07:14.000 You can't tell until you get a magnifying glass on, though.

01:07:17.000 That's why they say we got these diamond testers.

01:07:19.000 Yeah.

01:07:20.000 You want to test your diamonds now.

01:07:22.000 Come on now.

01:07:23.000 Yeah.

01:07:24.000 It's just an all-illusion anyway.

01:07:26.000 Do you fuck around with any of that stuff?

01:07:27.000 I got jury, but I'm not paying all that money for no jury.

01:07:32.000 Yeah.

01:07:33.000 No, well, you can get some sponsorships.

01:07:35.000 Yes.

01:07:36.000 But me keep spending hundreds and millions of dollars on jury, nah, it's just not smart.

01:07:42.000 Yeah.

01:07:43.000 And you don't get out of it what it costs.

01:07:46.000 Like, if you think about how much blood, sweat, what?

01:07:50.000 Sometimes you do.

01:07:51.000 What do you get?

01:07:52.000 Now, if you buy it from the factory, now if you get you a Rolex from the Rolex store, you know, you might get some money back from it.

01:08:01.000 You can flip it.

01:08:02.000 That's true.

01:08:02.000 Yeah.

01:08:03.000 Now, now, Buzz Nails, no.

01:08:05.000 But if you get it from the actual store, the Protect store, the Rolex store.

01:08:09.000 That's true.

01:08:10.000 Them type of stores.

01:08:12.000 Keep the box in the papers.

01:08:13.000 Yeah.

01:08:14.000 It's worth a lot of money.

01:08:14.000 It's worth more money.

01:08:15.000 Then it's an investment.

01:08:17.000 But all them other ones, the chains and stuff like that, no.

01:08:20.000 You don't never see a billionaire with no chain.

01:08:22.000 No.

01:08:22.000 You see it with a good watch, though.

01:08:24.000 Yeah.

01:08:26.000 See it with a good watch.

01:08:28.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:08:29.000 It's just the trappings of fame and also showing everybody that you have that money, the trappings of wealth.

01:08:36.000 You know, competing with all this other, getting your own private jet, all that stuff.

01:08:40.000 It's like, ooh.

01:08:41.000 I learned from them.

01:08:43.000 I learned from them because the people with the real wealth, you don't know they got the wealth.

01:08:48.000 Right.

01:08:49.000 You know?

01:08:49.000 Right.

01:08:50.000 They walk around plain Jane clothes.

01:08:52.000 No, nothing.

01:08:53.000 Yep.

01:08:54.000 You know, but the people that have a little bit of money, they want you to know that they got a little bit of money, but they don't have the wealth.

01:09:02.000 Right.

01:09:03.000 So I'd rather be wealthy than rich any day of the week.

01:09:06.000 And sneak around.

01:09:06.000 Yes.

01:09:08.000 Yeah.

01:09:09.000 And keep it.

01:09:10.000 Yeah.

01:09:11.000 Because a lot of what wealth is, is never having to worry about money.

01:09:11.000 That's the thing.

01:09:15.000 That's the big thing.

01:09:16.000 Just have that money invested.

01:09:18.000 Have that money making money for you.

01:09:20.000 Don't spend it all on stupid shit.

01:09:22.000 Live a modest life.

01:09:23.000 Live a normal life.

01:09:24.000 You're much better off.

01:09:26.000 Especially a professional athlete because you have such a small window of time.

01:09:31.000 I mean, a lot of men don't even make their real money until they're deep in their 40s and 50s.

01:09:36.000 Or the end of the 30s.

01:09:38.000 Yeah.

01:09:38.000 Like at Floyd, when he fought Dela Hoya, then he fought Gotti.

01:09:38.000 Yeah.

01:09:47.000 Then he started making some real money.

01:09:49.000 Yes.

01:09:50.000 But I mean, that's for a pro athlete.

01:09:52.000 But for most of these really wealthy business people, most of them, unless they're tech investors.

01:09:59.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:09:59.000 They're making their money later in life.

01:10:02.000 And so you have all this opportunity to keep growing your wealth.

01:10:05.000 But when you're an athlete, you got a small window of your prime.

01:10:09.000 Your prime is essentially like maybe 20 years, maybe 20 years you can make money from 20 to 40.

01:10:16.000 But for a pro athlete, unless you're Tom Brady, 40 is the end, or unless you're Bernard.

01:10:21.000 Bernard was fighting at a world-class level at 49, 50 years old, which is crazy.

01:10:28.000 Crazy.

01:10:29.000 That's because you take care of his body.

01:10:31.000 100%.

01:10:31.000 You don't put nothing in your body.

01:10:32.000 Super disciplined.

01:10:33.000 Never gets out of shape.

01:10:35.000 Never puts any bullshit in his body.

01:10:37.000 And also, that mindset of what he learned when he was incarcerated.

01:10:42.000 Like that, like discipline is everything.

01:10:45.000 Discipline.

01:10:46.000 Discipline, knowing you're never going back to that.

01:10:49.000 Don't buy anything stupid.

01:10:51.000 Don't be dumb with your money.

01:10:52.000 Don't be dumb with your body.

01:10:54.000 Take care of yourself.

01:10:55.000 Never get out of shape.

01:10:56.000 Always keep your conditioning up.

01:10:58.000 So when you go into camp, you're not struggling to get back in shape again.

01:11:01.000 You're already in shape.

01:11:02.000 Now you're just working on your skills and honing everything to a razor sharp edge.

01:11:07.000 I think that goes to, like I said before, the people that you have around you, you know, that want to see you be successful and the people that you can learn from and the people that you can get advice from.

01:11:19.000 You know, when they see you about to do something that you shouldn't do, they'd be like, hey, man, we ain't doing that.

01:11:26.000 Come on, let's go. 0.98

01:11:27.000 Or they'll call you, be like, let's go run.

01:11:29.000 I'm not doing nothing.

01:11:30.000 Let's go jog.

01:11:31.000 Or let's go to the gym or let's go eat some healthy food.

01:11:36.000 People that want to see you be successful, not the ones that say, hey, let's go party.

01:11:40.000 Let's go drink.

01:11:41.000 Let's go do this.

01:11:42.000 Let's do cocaine. 0.99

01:11:43.000 I think those are the people that you need to get from around you.

01:11:48.000 100%.

01:11:48.000 The ones that see you doing things that you shouldn't be doing, but that's cool with them seeing you doing that.

01:11:54.000 Yeah, that's also the problem with an entourage, too.

01:11:57.000 These guys are roll with an entourage.

01:11:57.000 For sure.

01:11:59.000 You always got one dude who's fucking up with that entourage.

01:12:01.000 And there's conflicts in the entourage between dudes.

01:12:04.000 And it's like you're managing a whole team of knuckleheads.

01:12:07.000 It's like, oh, God.

01:12:09.000 Just so that you can roll deep when you show up at a place.

01:12:09.000 Yeah.

01:12:12.000 You have 30 dudes hop out of SUVs. 1.00

01:12:14.000 Like, oh, he's here.

01:12:15.000 He's here.

01:12:16.000 Look at that group behind him.

01:12:17.000 I don't need none of that.

01:12:18.000 That's beautiful.

01:12:19.000 I don't need none of that.

01:12:20.000 That's a valuable lesson for young fighters to see your example.

01:12:23.000 I'm glad you lived the way you live.

01:12:25.000 I really am.

01:12:26.000 I really am because I think it's so important for guys to see.

01:12:30.000 So let me ask you this.

01:12:31.000 When you were training for Canelo, what did you do different?

01:12:34.000 So knowing that you're going to be fighting at 168 instead of 54 or 47, what did you do different in terms of did you do anything different about strength and conditioning?

01:12:45.000 How long did you prepare?

01:12:47.000 Like, I know you were thinking about that fight for a long time, but like when you were physically preparing for it, knowing that you were going to be fighting him at 68, what did you do different?

01:12:56.000 To be honest, I didn't do nothing different.

01:12:58.000 Really?

01:12:59.000 It's crazy.

01:13:00.000 Like all my fights, there's nothing different.

01:13:03.000 You know, we trained for me, me getting sharper, what I need to work on, what I'm lacking in.

01:13:10.000 But the only thing that I changed for the fight with Canelo is Chet, my strength and condition coach, he got me in February.

01:13:21.000 He called me up.

01:13:22.000 He like, hey, we're going to get this fight.

01:13:24.000 He just kept saying we're going to get it.

01:13:26.000 So you need to be working out now.

01:13:28.000 So this way before I ever got the Canelo fight.

01:13:32.000 So he'll come over to my house.

01:13:32.000 So I'm like, all right.

01:13:34.000 We'll work out.

01:13:36.000 What kind of stuff were you doing?

01:13:37.000 Just strength work.

01:13:38.000 Just strength work.

01:13:39.000 Like deadlifts?

01:13:40.000 Like, what kind of stuff?

01:13:41.000 Deadlifts, strength and condition, like deadlifts, working on good legs and things like that.

01:13:46.000 And just getting my body just, you know, back to where it needs to be.

01:13:50.000 You know, and he's just like, man, you got to strengthen up your shoulders and things like that.

01:13:56.000 And because quiet is kept, I had just had shoulder surgery.

01:14:01.000 You did?

01:14:02.000 Yeah.

01:14:02.000 So I just, you know, there's a lot of things that I go through in training, but I don't speak about because I don't never want it to be an excuse.

01:14:14.000 You know, that's just one of the injuries that I was coming off of.

01:14:20.000 But yeah, he was just like, man, we got to work.

01:14:23.000 We got to work.

01:14:24.000 What was the shoulder injury?

01:14:25.000 Labram.

01:14:26.000 Labrum.

01:14:27.000 So did you get it sewed back up?

01:14:27.000 Yeah.

01:14:29.000 Did you get stem cells shot in there at all?

01:14:29.000 Yeah.

01:14:31.000 No, no, no.

01:14:32.000 I just had surgery on the front and the back.

01:14:32.000 No.

01:14:35.000 I wish I talked to you about that.

01:14:37.000 Could have got you in.

01:14:37.000 Yeah.

01:14:38.000 Yeah.

01:14:39.000 I didn't get in on my left shoulder.

01:14:41.000 So I tore both of them.

01:14:43.000 Well, I tore my left in the gambo fight. 1.00

01:14:47.000 Yeah.

01:14:47.000 Really?

01:14:48.000 And you never got it fixed?

01:14:49.000 Never.

01:14:50.000 Is it okay now or is it fine?

01:14:52.000 It's still tore.

01:14:53.000 But the doctors say if it's not preventing you from working out, then they wouldn't advise me to get surgery.

01:14:53.000 Really?

01:15:00.000 Do you feel it?

01:15:00.000 Does it bother you?

01:15:02.000 Sometimes, but not really.

01:15:03.000 Like, it bother me, like, sometimes, but, like, not crazy.

01:15:06.000 How long are you down for?

01:15:08.000 I leave after this.

01:15:10.000 Damn.

01:15:11.000 But the right one?

01:15:12.000 That was crazy.

01:15:13.000 Like, it was hurting when I was sleeping after the Major Maw fight.

01:15:16.000 Yeah, after the Major Maw fight, it was like thriving.

01:15:16.000 Oh, really?

01:15:20.000 Then it was just like, man, we better get it done.

01:15:23.000 But he was just on me.

01:15:24.000 Like, we got to do physical therapy.

01:15:26.000 We got to do this.

01:15:28.000 And it was just like, all right, let's go.

01:15:30.000 So he was just on me and he was just speaking it into existence.

01:15:33.000 He was like, man, you're going to get this fight.

01:15:34.000 I can feel it.

01:15:35.000 I can feel it.

01:15:36.000 So, like, I started training for Canelo in February.

01:15:40.000 I wasn't, you know, more so doing boxing workout, but I was just getting my body prepared to, you know, go to camp.

01:15:48.000 And when I start back, to go.

01:15:51.000 So strength work is like the basics, strength training.

01:15:56.000 But like, what kind of conditioning were you doing?

01:15:58.000 Oh, nothing different.

01:15:59.000 Like running, swimming, things like that.

01:16:03.000 And you didn't try to put on any weight?

01:16:06.000 Just tried to be a little bit more.

01:16:07.000 No, I just tightened up.

01:16:08.000 Just tighten it up.

01:16:09.000 You know, with the strength work, just tighten it up.

01:16:13.000 That was it.

01:16:14.000 Damn, I wish I knew that you had a problem with your shoulder.

01:16:18.000 I could get you back in town.

01:16:20.000 There's a place called Ways to Well that I work with here that does stem cells that help so many fighters out. 0.98

01:16:26.000 A lot of UFC guys come here.

01:16:28.000 A lot of pro athletes come here.

01:16:30.000 NFL guys come here just to get stem cells.

01:16:33.000 It's like a state-of-the-art facility.

01:16:35.000 It's really good and it could help you.

01:16:38.000 I bet it could heal that labrum.

01:16:40.000 Probably.

01:16:40.000 Yeah.

01:16:42.000 Especially now because you're not going to beat it up as much anymore.

01:16:45.000 Obviously, I'm sure you're still working out.

01:16:46.000 You look great.

01:16:47.000 No, I'm actually not.

01:16:48.000 Not working out at all?

01:16:50.000 I've been chilling.

01:16:53.000 You earned it?

01:16:54.000 Hey, I've been putting on my time with my kids and just, you know, relaxing and not having to worry about running and waking up in the morning.

01:17:03.000 Did they offer you a rematch?

01:17:05.000 They didn't.

01:17:05.000 Nah.

01:17:06.000 Because there was talk that they offered you a rematch, but you wanted $100 million.

01:17:10.000 Nah, that's a lot.

01:17:10.000 That was all internet bullshit.

01:17:12.000 That was a lot.

01:17:12.000 There wasn't even no rematch in the contract.

01:17:16.000 There was no conversation about a rematch.

01:17:19.000 There still haven't been a conversation about a rematch.

01:17:22.000 I've seen Canelo said that he want a rematch, but nobody has reached out to me and said, hey, Terrence, what you think about a rematch or anything like that?

01:17:31.000 So let's put that out there.

01:17:33.000 Is there a number that would bring you back?

01:17:36.000 I don't know.

01:17:37.000 Like, me personally, I can't say it is.

01:17:42.000 You're just not compelled.

01:17:44.000 Yeah, and I know.

01:17:44.000 You did it.

01:17:45.000 Yeah.

01:17:46.000 Did it perfect?

01:17:47.000 It's like I'm not the motivation.

01:17:50.000 I'm always motivated by competing and things like that.

01:17:56.000 But when it comes to boxing, it's like, I did it all.

01:18:00.000 Right.

01:18:00.000 Like, it's like I checked everything off the checkbox.

01:18:04.000 So it's like, it wasn't close.

01:18:09.000 Right.

01:18:09.000 You know?

01:18:10.000 Right.

01:18:10.000 I beat him, you know, decisively.

01:18:12.000 So what am I doing it for?

01:18:14.000 I think I might have given him one or maybe two rounds.

01:18:18.000 More like one.

01:18:19.000 Yeah.

01:18:20.000 It was mostly, there was, I think it was like maybe the fifth.

01:18:24.000 He had a really good one.

01:18:25.000 He had a good fifth round.

01:18:25.000 Yeah, the fifth round.

01:18:26.000 Yeah.

01:18:27.000 But other than that, man, especially the ninth round.

01:18:30.000 Woo! 0.99

01:18:31.000 Woo! 0.99

01:18:32.000 And he handbutted me.

01:18:33.000 He headbutted me on purpose.

01:18:35.000 Yes.

01:18:35.000 Did he?

01:18:36.000 Yes.

01:18:36.000 Really?

01:18:37.000 I was like, man.

01:18:39.000 And he was like, sorry, champion.

01:18:41.000 I like, he just got a little angry.

01:18:45.000 A little frustrated.

01:18:46.000 Yeah, a little frustrated.

01:18:47.000 But it's a fight.

01:18:48.000 Like, anytime I'm in a fight, I don't complain about nothing.

01:18:52.000 If somebody hit me in the back of the head or they hit me below the waist or anything like that, I never complain.

01:18:58.000 Because I'm so aggressive.

01:19:00.000 I'm like, it's a fight.

01:19:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:02.000 Like, they're trying to do whatever they can to win.

01:19:04.000 It's up to this referee to step in because if he don't, then I'm going to take matters in my own hands and I'm going to do the same thing.

01:19:12.000 So, I don't complain.

01:19:14.000 I'm just like, bam, I was a little frustrated.

01:19:16.000 I was like, man, all right.

01:19:19.000 All right, breathe.

01:19:20.000 Let's get back to work.

01:19:21.000 Yeah, don't lose your composure.

01:19:22.000 That's the problem with getting angry, right?

01:19:22.000 Yeah.

01:19:25.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:19:26.000 But yeah, that ninth round, that's when you really started separating.

01:19:30.000 Yeah.

01:19:31.000 You really started pouring it on.

01:19:32.000 I was wondering if you're going to stop him when the ninth round was going on.

01:19:35.000 When you were cracking them with some big shots, I'm like, whoa.

01:19:39.000 So I told my coach when we were in there, he was like, you don't got to do that.

01:19:46.000 And I'm like, man, I can go for it.

01:19:46.000 They know me.

01:19:49.000 And, you know, and it's just like, they just know me.

01:19:52.000 They know my demeanor.

01:19:53.000 And it was like, you don't got to give them a chance.

01:19:56.000 Just keep doing what you're doing.

01:19:58.000 You're boxing the shit out of them.

01:20:00.000 You win it hands down.

01:20:02.000 Don't give them a chance.

01:20:03.000 You don't got to box them.

01:20:04.000 You don't got to do that.

01:20:05.000 You're winning.

01:20:06.000 So it's just like me wanting to listen to my coaches all the time because I have that much faith in them.

01:20:13.000 If they tell me to go out there and use my jab the whole fight, that's what I'm going to do because that's the belief I have in them.

01:20:21.000 You know, and I just like, all right.

01:20:24.000 The last round, I was like, all right, let me win this round and separate myself.

01:20:29.000 You know, and I felt like I hurt him bad in that round.

01:20:35.000 Yes.

01:20:35.000 You know, but it's boxing.

01:20:37.000 Yeah.

01:20:38.000 Well, he's got a crazy chin.

01:20:40.000 Yeah.

01:20:41.000 He's got a crazy chin.

01:20:43.000 I mean, it's something unusual.

01:20:46.000 No.

01:20:48.000 You don't think so?

01:20:48.000 No, they say redheads is hard to knock out.

01:20:53.000 It's proven.

01:20:55.000 Yeah, I googled it.

01:20:56.000 What is they called?

01:20:58.000 Gingers?

01:20:58.000 Yeah, gingers.

01:20:59.000 Yeah.

01:21:00.000 I promise you, when you look up.

01:21:01.000 They have a higher pain.

01:21:02.000 Yes.

01:21:03.000 When you look it up, I looked it up because my cousin, she's a nurse, and she said, Yeah, them gingers, they hard to put to sleep, even when you giving them the aesthetics to go to sleep. 1.00

01:21:17.000 Yeah.

01:21:17.000 Really?

01:21:18.000 Interesting.

01:21:19.000 And the Steve.

01:21:20.000 Redheads often possess a unique pain profile, generally exhibiting a higher threshold for specific types of pain like heat or pressure, but requiring 19 to 20% more general anesthesia. 0.98

01:21:31.000 Wow.

01:21:31.000 Or higher 19 to 20% is a lot.

01:21:35.000 Or higher doses of certain anesthetics to reach the same level of comfort.

01:21:38.000 That's crazy.

01:21:40.000 Largely due to the mutated MC1R gene, which affects nerve sensitivity, can lead to increased sensitivity to pain and paradoxical increased sensitivity to some opioids.

01:21:52.000 Interesting.

01:21:54.000 Interesting.

01:21:55.000 Increased sensitivity to opioids is interesting.

01:21:57.000 When she told me that, I googled it and I was like, damn, this is why Canelo, you know, could take so many good shots.

01:22:06.000 Yeah.

01:22:06.000 That does make sense.

01:22:08.000 Well, you know, Neanderthals supposedly had red hair.

01:22:11.000 So maybe like redheads have more Neanderthal genes. 1.00

01:22:14.000 Probably.

01:22:15.000 You know, when Neanderthals were brutally strong. 0.99

01:22:18.000 I wonder if that's where it comes from.

01:22:20.000 I thought she was playing at first, man.

01:22:22.000 That's crazy.

01:22:23.000 She was like, man, when we be trying to put them to sleep, it'd be harder to put them to sleep than normal people.

01:22:29.000 So I started Googling.

01:22:31.000 I like, fucking right.

01:22:33.000 19 to 20% is nuts.

01:22:35.000 That's a lot.

01:22:36.000 That's like the difference between killing someone and them just going to sleep.

01:22:39.000 Like, you give them an extra 20%, they might not wake up.

01:22:42.000 Facts.

01:22:43.000 That's crazy.

01:22:45.000 19 to 20% is wild.

01:22:48.000 Well, I was talking to Jim Lampley, and I didn't know this, but Canelo has always been riding horses since he was young.

01:22:54.000 That's good for his balance.

01:22:56.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 And the legs.

01:22:57.000 And the legs.

01:22:58.000 Yeah.

01:22:58.000 It's his base.

01:23:00.000 That's a big part of it.

01:23:01.000 Also, he's got that thick fucking neck, big square head.

01:23:04.000 Like he's been doing the iron neck all this.

01:23:06.000 So, Neanderthals have a different mutation that actually gives them more sensitivity to pain.

01:23:11.000 Interesting.

01:23:12.000 Most humans.

01:23:13.000 Interest, more sensitivity.

01:23:15.000 Yeah.

01:23:16.000 Lower threshold.

01:23:17.000 Interesting.

01:23:18.000 That's kind of like the opposite.

01:23:20.000 Wow.

01:23:21.000 Even though they're redheaded. 1.00

01:23:23.000 So he ain't one of them.

01:23:24.000 He ain't one of them.

01:23:29.000 He's the other one.

01:23:29.000 It's one of those Mexican redheads.

01:23:31.000 Yeah, it's wild.

01:23:32.000 That's crazy.

01:23:33.000 But yeah, I never thought the horse thing.

01:23:36.000 Like Lampley was explaining.

01:23:37.000 It was like, yeah, the balance and the legs because you're constantly squeezing down on that horse and you're constantly adjusting and your core and everything.

01:23:46.000 Like, oh, I never even thought of that.

01:23:47.000 I would just think, fuck it, why are you riding horses when you're a world champion?

01:23:50.000 Don't do that.

01:23:51.000 People fall off horses.

01:23:52.000 They break their fucking neck.

01:23:54.000 Yeah, I seen a guy break his arm.

01:23:54.000 Don't do that.

01:23:58.000 They wanted me to take a picture on the horse.

01:24:02.000 And my bro Manny was like, man, I don't know about these fucking horses.

01:24:06.000 These horses be crazy.

01:24:07.000 I said, man, I rode horses before.

01:24:08.000 He was like, yeah, but it's a lot of people around.

01:24:11.000 And he asked the guy about the horses.

01:24:14.000 And the other guy was like, yeah, he can get on this horse.

01:24:16.000 So I get on the horse.

01:24:18.000 I take the horse.

01:24:20.000 I take the picture and I get off.

01:24:23.000 No longer than like 10 minutes.

01:24:27.000 This guy on his own horse, his horse just fucked, go crazy, buck him off. 0.99

01:24:33.000 He broke his arm.

01:24:33.000 Boom.

01:24:35.000 This in the parade, and the horse is just running wild.

01:24:39.000 I'm like, he said, see, see, this is what I was telling you.

01:24:42.000 He was going crazy.

01:24:43.000 It was like, see, I told you to be horses.

01:24:47.000 But it wasn't the same horse.

01:24:48.000 It was a different horse.

01:24:49.000 But he was just like, see, that's why I was telling you, these horses be fucking crazy.

01:24:53.000 Yeah, you just never know with animals.

01:24:55.000 You just, my oldest daughter got into horses for a while.

01:24:58.000 One of her friends used to do those things where, you know, the horse jumps over a thing and doesn't like, you know, they have like a whole obstacle course.

01:25:05.000 And she was getting into that.

01:25:07.000 And she fell once and she was okay.

01:25:09.000 And then she fell a second time.

01:25:10.000 She hurt her wrist pretty bad.

01:25:11.000 I was like, honey, you got to stop.

01:25:13.000 You can't be doing this.

01:25:14.000 This is too dangerous.

01:25:15.000 Because those kind of injuries you get falling off a horse, especially if you get stomped, those are life-changing.

01:25:22.000 Especially if you get tied up.

01:25:24.000 Oh, I've seen videos of people getting bucked in their legs.

01:25:29.000 Oh, they just a rag dog. 0.99

01:25:31.000 Oh, getting stomped in the head.

01:25:34.000 Oh, no, Yeah, horses.

01:25:36.000 Fuck that.

01:25:38.000 Fuck that.

01:25:40.000 I know quite a few people that have fallen off horses and been okay, but like, why?

01:25:45.000 Why do it?

01:25:46.000 Yeah, no.

01:25:47.000 Texas Ranger.

01:25:47.000 Yeah.

01:25:49.000 Everybody wants to be cowboy.

01:25:51.000 They watch Yellowstone too many times.

01:25:53.000 Everybody wants to be a cowboy.

01:25:55.000 We were talking to Andre Ward on the phone today when you had Andre on FaceTime and you were talking about Berbles.

01:25:55.000 It's funny.

01:26:01.000 Yeah.

01:26:02.000 But I've been going down this Berber rabbit hole. 1.00

01:26:06.000 Those mastiffs. 0.99

01:26:08.000 I'm fascinated by them, man.

01:26:10.000 The South African mastiffs that used to keep lions and hyenas away from the farms.

01:26:15.000 You know, and we were talking about coyotes.

01:26:18.000 Like, you got land now.

01:26:20.000 You know, you're just relaxing now.

01:26:23.000 So I like it.

01:26:24.000 Separated from everything, got some space.

01:26:27.000 Yeah, but it's crazy because when I was building the house, you know, a lot of people was like, oh, he's building a house on the Aero Spence money and this and that, and this.

01:26:38.000 I'm like, dude, do you know how long the process is of building houses?

01:26:43.000 Like, this is not no week or two, two-month deal.

01:26:47.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:48.000 Like, it's years.

01:26:50.000 Yeah, like just from design to the beginning of construction, it's years.

01:26:53.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:26:54.000 You got to go pick out every fucking thing in the house.

01:26:57.000 You know, I bought that land in 2016.

01:27:00.000 Oh, really?

01:27:01.000 Wow.

01:27:01.000 And I just was sitting on it.

01:27:02.000 It was a house there already.

01:27:04.000 You know, I had it rent out to one of my buddies, my best friend, at that, you know.

01:27:10.000 And when the time came, I had more kids.

01:27:14.000 So, you know, it was better that I waited than to build then.

01:27:19.000 So I just was like, man, it's time.

01:27:22.000 You know, it's more peaceful out there.

01:27:24.000 The kids, they ride the four-wheelers out there where we can shoot out there.

01:27:28.000 Nice.

01:27:29.000 We can do whatever we want out there.

01:27:30.000 And it's just, you know, peaceful to wake up to the sunrise and the nature calling.

01:27:38.000 Yeah.

01:27:39.000 Ain't nothing like it.

01:27:40.000 That's the dream.

01:27:41.000 It's definitely the dream.

01:27:42.000 Yeah, for a lot of people.

01:27:44.000 That's nice.

01:27:45.000 That's nice.

01:27:46.000 It's nice to see someone just setting their life upright.

01:27:48.000 Yeah.

01:27:49.000 You know, I'm just amazed that you don't get the itch at all.

01:27:55.000 I'm more competitive in other sports.

01:27:58.000 You know, like what?

01:27:59.000 Like basketball, football.

01:28:01.000 I'm anything.

01:28:02.000 I ain't gonna lie.

01:28:03.000 Anything I do is like, I gotta compete.

01:28:05.000 I gotta compete.

01:28:06.000 Darts, pool, like whatever.

01:28:08.000 You remember I came in here like, you want to play pool?

01:28:11.000 You're like, let's do it.

01:28:12.000 I was like, nah, I'll just play.

01:28:15.000 You can't kick my ass on camera.

01:28:20.000 I heard that you were good.

01:28:21.000 I fucked Lennox Lewis up.

01:28:22.000 Yeah, I was talking a lot of shit.

01:28:25.000 Lennox Lewis never got a shot.

01:28:28.000 I read two racks on him.

01:28:30.000 And he was like, we're done.

01:28:32.000 I came in here punk faking you.

01:28:36.000 I do, though.

01:28:36.000 I already know it.

01:28:37.000 Yeah.

01:28:39.000 I just like to have fun.

01:28:40.000 Well, everyone who is an elite athlete is insanely competitive.

01:28:44.000 Yeah.

01:28:45.000 You know, that's the problem, though, is unfortunately, some of them get involved in gambling.

01:28:49.000 You know, like that's the Michael Jordan we were just talking about, man.

01:28:52.000 He was like, you gamble.

01:28:54.000 I said, man, I ain't never gambled.

01:28:56.000 Good for you.

01:28:57.000 A lot of people was always asking me, why you don't gamble on your fights?

01:29:00.000 I'm like, no, I don't gamble at all.

01:29:03.000 Good for you.

01:29:04.000 You know, it was like, oh, well, we see you when you gambled on the streamer, you know, Aiden Ross.

01:29:12.000 I said, that was only because he called me out with my brother.

01:29:15.000 What was that?

01:29:15.000 What did you do?

01:29:16.000 He bet me $10,000 that TFEMO was going to whoop Shakur.

01:29:20.000 Oh, that's a crazy bet.

01:29:21.000 You know what I mean?

01:29:22.000 So it was just like he called me out on live streams.

01:29:28.000 So I'm never going to back down from that.

01:29:31.000 Of course.

01:29:31.000 I'm riding with Shakur until the wheels fall off.

01:29:35.000 That's also like, if I was making odds, I'm putting like a six to one.

01:29:39.000 Yeah.

01:29:40.000 Like, that's a crazy, flat-out bet.

01:29:42.000 Yeah.

01:29:42.000 You're not even getting any odds on the money.

01:29:45.000 And you're putting it on TV.

01:29:46.000 No disrespect to TFEMO, but I think that Shakur is, he has the potential to be an all-time great.

01:29:52.000 Yeah, he will be.

01:29:53.000 He will be.

01:29:53.000 I believe so.

01:29:54.000 All he got to do is keep doing what he's doing, stay focused.

01:29:57.000 And that's it.

01:29:58.000 It's just with fighters like Shakur, Devin, it's all about staying focused.

01:30:08.000 You know, when these young fighters get to the pinnacle of boxing and they got everything at their disposal, sometimes they get caught up in the limelight and the things that really don't matter.

01:30:23.000 You know, as long as they stay focused and keep their eye on the prize of where they want to go and where they want their legacy to land, they're going to be just fine.

01:30:34.000 Yeah.

01:30:35.000 Because it's easy for them to get caught up and want to be a fan, pleasing fighter, you know, listening to the masses.

01:30:47.000 Oh, they need to fight like this.

01:30:48.000 Or I don't want to see them fight because all they do is run or all they do is fight like this and they pity Pat.

01:30:54.000 They ain't got no power.

01:30:55.000 This and that.

01:30:56.000 It's boxing.

01:30:57.000 They're winning.

01:30:58.000 All they got to do is keep winning.

01:31:00.000 That's it.

01:31:01.000 Well, look at Floyd later in his life.

01:31:03.000 Like Floyd later in his life fought so safe, but yet made so much money because he talked so much shit.

01:31:10.000 For sure.

01:31:10.000 People were spending money hoping he was going to lose.

01:31:13.000 And he's not the first one that did that.

01:31:15.000 Tyson.

01:31:16.000 Yeah.

01:31:18.000 Roy Jones Jr.

01:31:19.000 Muhammad Ali.

01:31:21.000 And I always, I said this when I was with Tyrann.

01:31:26.000 I said, why is it only the black fighters that got to talk shit to sell? 1.00

01:31:33.000 Well, MMA, it's white fighters too.

01:31:35.000 Conor McGregor.

01:31:36.000 Conor McGregory.

01:31:36.000 No, no, no.

01:31:38.000 You know, I say he won us.

01:31:41.000 You know, because they was treated like black people over there where he from.

01:31:46.000 You know, a lot of people don't know that.

01:31:48.000 A lot of Irish ladies. 0.98

01:31:48.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

01:31:49.000 You know, they was treated just like us.

01:31:51.000 So, you know, I consider him one of us, you know, but at the same time, you know, in boxing, it's always the black fighters got to be the ones that step out and play this circus role and, you know, be the one to talk shit and have everybody hate them. 1.00

01:32:14.000 But the ones that don't, like Andre Ward, Terrence Crawford, Tim Bradley, you know, they boring or they can't sell, things like that.

01:32:26.000 Is you judging me for what I say or what I do in the ring?

01:32:31.000 Well, this is the difference with casuals versus people that really appreciate excellent boxing.

01:32:36.000 Because I knock people out.

01:32:37.000 Of course.

01:32:38.000 That's what people want to see.

01:32:39.000 They want to see action.

01:32:40.000 I'm going to give them action.

01:32:41.000 But I think for casuals, they want to see a lot of shit talking too for some reason.

01:32:47.000 They want to get emotionally wrapped up in your conflict with this other person.

01:32:52.000 But they pick and choose.

01:32:53.000 They do sometimes.

01:32:54.000 Yeah, they do sometimes.

01:32:56.000 But I mean, like, look, Tyson Fury talks a lot of shit.

01:32:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:32:59.000 And obviously one of the greatest of all time.

01:33:01.000 You know, talked a lot of shit, sold a lot of tickets, you know, singing and shit.

01:33:06.000 Yeah.

01:33:06.000 After the fights, that guy's great.

01:33:08.000 In his draws.

01:33:09.000 In his drawers of his cup.

01:33:11.000 Legendary.

01:33:12.000 He's a legend.

01:33:13.000 Legendary.

01:33:13.000 He's a legend.

01:33:15.000 I mean, that guy.

01:33:17.000 But he's from a different country.

01:33:19.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:33:19.000 Sure.

01:33:20.000 So you got to understand, like, he bringing those people over here.

01:33:25.000 And they're going to support him, win, lose, or draw.

01:33:27.000 You know, when we went over to the UK and we watched Amir Khan fight Kel Brooke, it was electrifying.

01:33:37.000 And those guys had losses, been both stopped and all that.

01:33:42.000 You know, but those people came out to support like a motherfucker.

01:33:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:33:48.000 And I left that arena like, God damn.

01:33:50.000 And I wish I was, you know, from the UK, you know, like, because the way they support boxing, they don't look at, oh, since you lost, you know, we're not going to support you.

01:34:00.000 They look at, no, these are warriors and we're not going to stop supporting them because they lost.

01:34:06.000 That's true.

01:34:06.000 That is true about the UK.

01:34:08.000 America, they like, man, you got your ass whooped.

01:34:10.000 On to the next.

01:34:11.000 You're a bum.

01:34:12.000 You washed.

01:34:13.000 You ain't as good as you said you was or we thought you was.

01:34:16.000 And it's just like they chew you up and spit you out.

01:34:20.000 And it's like, God damn, you know how hard it is to stay at the top of a sport that everybody's gunning from you?

01:34:29.000 You know, that's that shit hard.

01:34:31.000 Yeah, that's the culture of America, though, right?

01:34:34.000 It's a bit of a problem.

01:34:35.000 Yeah.

01:34:36.000 It disgusts me with fighting.

01:34:38.000 It's not like on the UFC, though.

01:34:40.000 It is.

01:34:41.000 There's plenty of people.

01:34:41.000 Not so much.

01:34:44.000 Well, the UFC, it's not as important to be a fighter.

01:34:46.000 I'm about to say it's only like a couple of people in the UFC that was undefeated.

01:34:51.000 Very few.

01:34:52.000 You know, you got Khabib.

01:34:54.000 You got Jon Jones.

01:34:57.000 Had that one little loss, that's a bullshit loss.

01:34:59.000 Yeah, but everybody knows that was bullshit loss.

01:35:01.000 Um, uh, uh, my boy, my boy, uh, Sujudo, he just finally lost with uh, not too long ago.

01:35:09.000 Oh, he lost a bunch of times.

01:35:10.000 He lost to Mighty Mouse early on, then he came back and beat Mighty Mouse to win his first title.

01:35:15.000 Yeah, but like most everybody else be having like five losses and stuff like that, and they be at the top of the top, you know, and everybody still support them, but don't nobody go, oh, he got five losses, he trashed, he did that.

01:35:30.000 No, it just maybe it was off-night, you know.

01:35:33.000 There's something to that because I think it's more difficult to not lose in MMA.

01:35:38.000 There's just too many different styles, there's too many different approaches, too many variables, and it's also so difficult to not be hurt in training before you fight when you're grappling, kicking legs, elbows, all that shit you're doing in training, jiu-jitsu.

01:35:54.000 You know, you're manipulating joints.

01:35:55.000 There's so many different things that can get fucked up.

01:35:58.000 I mean, think about all the things that get fucked up just with your hands, just boxing, shoulders, back, knees, ribs, ribs.

01:36:04.000 Yeah.

01:36:06.000 And then neck, shoulder.

01:36:09.000 Yeah.

01:36:10.000 And then add getting dumped on your head.

01:36:13.000 Ad, you know, getting knee in the face.

01:36:15.000 Add, getting your legs kicked.

01:36:18.000 Knees buckled.

01:36:19.000 Toes broke.

01:36:20.000 Yeah.

01:36:21.000 I mean, Pereira fought a world title fight with a broken toe.

01:36:24.000 Yeah.

01:36:25.000 Just came in and fought with it.

01:36:26.000 And afterwards, toes all fucked up and crooked to the side, and he like adjusts it, pops it into place. 0.91

01:36:32.000 It's tough for them for combat sports, you know.

01:36:32.000 Yeah.

01:36:36.000 And people don't know, like I said, they don't know what we go through.

01:36:39.000 We don't never walk in a world class fight, you know, the same or 100% healthy.

01:36:47.000 Like everybody just be like, oh man, I'm 100%.

01:36:49.000 No, the fuck you're not.

01:36:51.000 It's not possible.

01:36:53.000 There's always going to be something that's bothering you.

01:36:55.000 If you're going through a 10-week camp, how is it even possible to not something?

01:37:02.000 If they bullshit, but it's going to show in the fight.

01:37:05.000 It shows in a fight.

01:37:06.000 But don't they?

01:37:06.000 Everybody always says, nobody says, I'm pretty fucked up going into this fight, but I'm hoping it works out.

01:37:11.000 Nobody says that.

01:37:12.000 Nobody says that.

01:37:12.000 No.

01:37:13.000 I mean, it's just, that's the game.

01:37:16.000 When they talked about my shoulder, you know, before the Canelo fight, I was just like, I don't know.

01:37:21.000 Tell them to hit me in both of my shoulders.

01:37:26.000 It don't matter.

01:37:26.000 Like, my shoulder is healed.

01:37:28.000 Like, yeah.

01:37:29.000 How long did it take before it felt 100% again?

01:37:33.000 After the fight.

01:37:34.000 Really?

01:37:35.000 Yeah.

01:37:36.000 Because I got it on Halloween.

01:37:38.000 Oh, you got in October?

01:37:40.000 And then how many months did you have to recover?

01:37:42.000 I fought September.

01:37:44.000 Whoa.

01:37:45.000 Okay.

01:37:45.000 So that wasn't.

01:37:46.000 So you had not even a year.

01:37:48.000 And when did you really start training hard again after the surgery?

01:37:54.000 Probably April.

01:37:59.000 Okay.

01:38:00.000 That's a good amount of time.

01:38:01.000 Yeah.

01:38:02.000 And people don't realize, like, shoulders are such a complicated joint.

01:38:06.000 There's all this different movements.

01:38:08.000 And it still wasn't like 100% after I fought.

01:38:12.000 Because you didn't have your strength all the way back to even after you fought.

01:38:15.000 Yeah, like it wasn't 100%.

01:38:17.000 So it wasn't 100% in the fight.

01:38:23.000 That's crazy.

01:38:24.000 I always tell people, like, if you watch my jab and my hook in the Canelo fight, then watch my jab and my hook, my prior fights, you know, and Majimoff and Spence, you'll see the difference.

01:38:38.000 Really?

01:38:39.000 You know, but the blind eye wouldn't even notice it.

01:38:42.000 Right.

01:38:42.000 You know, they would just be like, oh, but then when they still is effective.

01:38:46.000 Yeah, but then when they know, they'd be like, it wasn't as snappy.

01:38:50.000 It wasn't as hard.

01:38:52.000 You know, you kind of was just like landing out there.

01:38:56.000 So that's just little key little things.

01:38:58.000 But now it's 100%?

01:38:59.000 It is good now.

01:39:00.000 Wow.

01:39:01.000 And the left one doesn't bother you, really?

01:39:05.000 The left one, it bother me when it's overused.

01:39:10.000 You know, but like in a fight?

01:39:14.000 No, I don't think none of that shit bother me.

01:39:16.000 Do you have any plans to come back in town?

01:39:18.000 Nah, nah.

01:39:19.000 Can we get you back in town?

01:39:20.000 I gave us some stem cells.

01:39:21.000 You know, the only time I ever came here was this podcast.

01:39:26.000 Never ever been here in my life.

01:39:28.000 Really?

01:39:29.000 It's a great city.

01:39:30.000 Julia always talked about it.

01:39:30.000 Yeah.

01:39:32.000 So many good restaurants, so many good places.

01:39:35.000 She took me to the college and all that.

01:39:37.000 And, you know, reminiscing because she went to college here and she just loved it here.

01:39:40.000 So she's like, this is the forest that we went to.

01:39:43.000 This is this, this, this.

01:39:44.000 I'm like, oh, Julie, you were your happy place.

01:39:47.000 She was like, I just love it here.

01:39:48.000 Well, why not move here?

01:39:50.000 It's a great town.

01:39:51.000 I love it to death.

01:39:52.000 But if you want to come back, I would love to get you set up, get your shoulder taken care of.

01:39:57.000 It'll change your life.

01:39:59.000 Stem cells is wild, man.

01:40:01.000 It's crazy what it could do.

01:40:02.000 It just regenerates tissue.

01:40:04.000 Everything heals.

01:40:05.000 But within weeks, you start feeling better.

01:40:07.000 You're like, God.

01:40:09.000 Everything just feels looser.

01:40:10.000 For sure.

01:40:11.000 I've had so many friends that were on the verge of getting surgery.

01:40:14.000 Like, I don't know.

01:40:14.000 Doctor says I need surgery.

01:40:16.000 Get stem cells.

01:40:18.000 Everything's good.

01:40:19.000 I had a full-length rotator cuff tear.

01:40:22.000 I went to the doctor six months after the stem cells.

01:40:24.000 He's like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen.

01:40:26.000 He's like, that tear doesn't even exist anymore.

01:40:28.000 It's gone.

01:40:30.000 Completely healed.

01:40:32.000 It's crazy.

01:40:33.000 Like, stem cells are nuts, man.

01:40:35.000 And they're getting better at it all the time.

01:40:37.000 Like, it's just pharmaceutical drug companies fucking hate it.

01:40:42.000 Surgeons hate it.

01:40:43.000 Like, doctors hate it because it's going to cost them money.

01:40:48.000 There's a bunch of people that are going to get treated with stem cells that don't need surgery.

01:40:48.000 Yeah.

01:40:51.000 Right.

01:40:52.000 And afterwards, they're like, oh, I'm good.

01:40:55.000 Because the doctors, like, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

01:41:00.000 And these doctors, the way they make their money is cutting you.

01:41:03.000 And they all want to cut you.

01:41:05.000 And it's amazing how many different, especially soft tissue injuries, how many different injuries you can heal with stem cells.

01:41:12.000 It's pretty remarkable.

01:41:14.000 My doctors try to avoid cutting me.

01:41:16.000 Do they?

01:41:17.000 that's good so they waited all the way to that's a good doctor you know that's a good doctor Till it was like, we got to.

01:41:27.000 That's after the Madramo fight, right?

01:41:29.000 Yeah.

01:41:30.000 Well, I'd love to get you back in here because I really think they could help that.

01:41:34.000 For sure.

01:41:35.000 Yeah, especially you got your whole life ahead of you now.

01:41:38.000 You don't want, you know, you don't want that bothering you.

01:41:41.000 I'm fucking with you.

01:41:42.000 You'd be able to do whatever you want.

01:41:44.000 And especially now because you're not training hard.

01:41:46.000 Ooh, it'll heal good.

01:41:47.000 Yeah.

01:41:48.000 It'll heal because that's the problem.

01:41:49.000 A lot of guys, they get the stem cells and they go back to training in a few weeks and they kind of, it's not 100% healed and they tweak it a little bit.

01:41:59.000 But now if you're not training at all, this is the perfect time to do something like that.

01:42:03.000 Yeah.

01:42:05.000 So what is your plans now?

01:42:06.000 Now that you're on top of the world, you did it.

01:42:10.000 What does it feel like?

01:42:11.000 It feels, man.

01:42:12.000 Like it's supposed to.

01:42:13.000 Like it's supposed to.

01:42:14.000 It feels like it's supposed to.

01:42:16.000 Like a lot of people, they ask me, they say, man, how it feel?

01:42:20.000 Like, how's the retired life?

01:42:22.000 I'm like, the same.

01:42:24.000 Like, nothing in my life has changed, but the people everywhere else congratulating me and things like that.

01:42:34.000 But like, as far as like my living, you know, aspect of my life is the same.

01:42:42.000 Like, when I'm fighting, training, you know, I'm focused on the fight.

01:42:47.000 But after that, it's like my kids, you know, the gym, things like that.

01:42:55.000 Do you have any interest in doing commentary at all?

01:42:57.000 Because I think you would be great at that.

01:43:02.000 I'd be chilling.

01:43:03.000 I don't be liking to be in the media talking.

01:43:06.000 You don't even have to be in the middle of the moment.

01:43:07.000 I'd be avoiding the media.

01:43:10.000 I'd be avoiding him.

01:43:12.000 You know how some people, they want to be all up in the limelight and things like that.

01:43:18.000 Yeah.

01:43:19.000 I just be, I'd be avoiding.

01:43:20.000 They'd be like, dance, can we get an interview?

01:43:22.000 I don't want to talk.

01:43:22.000 Nah, right now.

01:43:23.000 Yeah.

01:43:24.000 Well, I appreciate you coming in here, though.

01:43:26.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

01:43:27.000 But a lot of people ask me that.

01:43:30.000 Do you want to be like all the other fighters and be a commentary?

01:43:36.000 Nah.

01:43:37.000 Good for you.

01:43:38.000 I'd be cool.

01:43:39.000 Good for you.

01:43:40.000 That's going to help you so much.

01:43:42.000 It's going to help you so much because it's the people that crave that limelight when it all goes away.

01:43:46.000 Then they're like, well, who am I?

01:43:48.000 I thought I was special.

01:43:49.000 I thought I was special.

01:43:51.000 I want to be the guy when, oh, he's here.

01:43:53.000 He's here.

01:43:54.000 They want to be constantly in the limelight, showing up at red carpets, all that.

01:43:58.000 I avoid all that shit.

01:44:00.000 I don't want to have nothing to do with that.

01:44:02.000 I know who I am, internally.

01:44:06.000 Can't nobody tell me who Terrence Crawford is.

01:44:10.000 So I'm happy in my own skin, always being happy under my own skin.

01:44:15.000 And I believe that's how I got to the point where I'm at now.

01:44:21.000 When nobody believed in me, I didn't listen to them because I knew who I was all along.

01:44:27.000 When people told me I was a bad businessman, okay, look at me now.

01:44:33.000 You know, when people told me what I should have did, what I shouldn't have done, and I did what I wanted to do.

01:44:40.000 Look at me now.

01:44:41.000 So now it's like everybody like, man, this dude was new all along.

01:44:45.000 It's like, yeah, because I'm not a follower.

01:44:49.000 I'm not going to listen to people that never done anything in their life and never took no chances or no risks to tell me what I can and what I can't do.

01:44:59.000 So I'm happy in my own skin.

01:45:02.000 I'm happy, you know, whether they chant my name or whether they're not.

01:45:06.000 As long as my family love me and my family there and they good, they well taken care of, then that's the only thing that makes me happy.

01:45:15.000 That's beautiful.

01:45:16.000 I hope young fighters that are inspired by you take that example.

01:45:23.000 I hope they take that mindset and try to adopt it as their own.

01:45:27.000 I really do.

01:45:28.000 I really do because there's so many young fighters that just can't wait to be that person in the limelight, can't wait to be that person living flashy in front of everybody.

01:45:37.000 And it's a foolish adventure.

01:45:40.000 It's temporary.

01:45:41.000 It's temporary.

01:45:42.000 And they don't understand that.

01:45:43.000 They only chant your name for a moment.

01:45:49.000 It's very temporary.

01:45:51.000 And they'll turn on you in a heartbeat.

01:45:54.000 Just do something crazy or lose a match that you don't supposed to lose or be up against one of your rivals and you lose and then everybody's going to turn their back on you.

01:46:05.000 100%.

01:46:07.000 And you're going to be sitting there lost.

01:46:09.000 Look at Broner.

01:46:10.000 When he was at the top of the top, everybody was there.

01:46:14.000 He had everybody in this corner.

01:46:16.000 Now he at this lowest.

01:46:18.000 Now they making fun of him.

01:46:19.000 Now they're taking pictures.

01:46:21.000 And, you know, I hit him.

01:46:22.000 He makes fun of himself, too, though.

01:46:23.000 Yeah, he do, but he's suffering.

01:46:26.000 You know, and I hits him up and I try to encourage him.

01:46:26.000 Yes.

01:46:30.000 And I send him messages.

01:46:31.000 And, you know, and you got to be there for people when they're at their lowest.

01:46:37.000 That's great.

01:46:38.000 He was a very talented guy.

01:46:39.000 But again, that's what you said.

01:46:41.000 Like, he's a guy who really got caught up in it.

01:46:44.000 That's a perfect example.

01:46:46.000 What's Gervante doing now?

01:46:48.000 I don't know.

01:46:48.000 Is he on the run?

01:46:49.000 I don't know.

01:46:50.000 I don't know nothing about that guy.

01:46:52.000 I think he's on the run.

01:46:54.000 At least he was like recently.

01:46:57.000 That's unfortunate.

01:46:58.000 He's so fucking talented.

01:47:02.000 He's such an unusual style, too.

01:47:05.000 Very economical.

01:47:06.000 Throws very few punches.

01:47:07.000 But when he does, it's boom.

01:47:09.000 Explosive.

01:47:10.000 Super, super explosive.

01:47:12.000 I mean, this is a great time for boxing, though.

01:47:15.000 It really is.

01:47:16.000 It's an exciting time for boxing.

01:47:18.000 There's a lot of stars right now.

01:47:21.000 And they fighting each other.

01:47:23.000 That's the most important thing that I could say is the fights is being made.

01:47:30.000 Whether you're on this side or that side, the fights is being made.

01:47:34.000 The promoters is working together within each other.

01:47:40.000 So no matter what.

01:47:41.000 What do you attribute that to?

01:47:42.000 You think that's Riyadh season?

01:47:44.000 Is the source?

01:47:45.000 Yeah.

01:47:46.000 Of course.

01:47:47.000 Turkey came in and changed up the game. 0.92

01:47:49.000 You know, he went to the fighters, you know, hey, I got this.

01:47:57.000 I got this.

01:47:58.000 We want this fight to happen.

01:48:00.000 And the fighters, like, whoa, we know we're not going to get this.

01:48:04.000 And nothing.

01:48:06.000 Nobody would have never seen no B-vol better be if. 0.98

01:48:09.000 Right.

01:48:10.000 That fight would have never happened.

01:48:11.000 Them promoters are not going to pay that money.

01:48:14.000 You know, there are so many fights out there that the promoters would have never paid for.

01:48:22.000 Top rank would have never paid the money that Turkey paid to see Shakorn T.O. fight.

01:48:29.000 Right.

01:48:30.000 You know, so we got so many fights because of him.

01:48:34.000 And we need to be appreciative of him because without him, none of those fights would have happened.

01:48:39.000 100%.

01:48:40.000 The Canelo fight wouldn't have happened for me.

01:48:42.000 The Majimal fight wouldn't have happened for me. 0.98

01:48:45.000 And so many more.

01:48:49.000 Absolutely.

01:48:50.000 I think that's very exciting.

01:48:51.000 But that's what the sport needed.

01:48:53.000 It needed someone to come in with deep pockets that just said, let's make these fights happen. 1.00

01:48:59.000 And I think that's why, you know, boxing is on a rise right now.

01:49:04.000 People is talking about boxing more.

01:49:06.000 People is more supportive about boxing now.

01:49:09.000 And people is tuning into not only Riyadh season shows, but all shows.

01:49:14.000 Look at Clarissa. 0.92

01:49:15.000 Yep.

01:49:16.000 She just put on a hell of a performance. 1.00

01:49:17.000 Hell of a performance.

01:49:19.000 And it was rocking in that.

01:49:21.000 Yeah.

01:49:21.000 It was crazy.

01:49:22.000 She sold out over 16,000 people as a woman.

01:49:26.000 I know, right?

01:49:27.000 Man, she doing her thing.

01:49:28.000 And people don't give women enough credit. 0.99

01:49:32.000 Like, she bringing out stars, you know, and man, it was a good atmosphere in there.

01:49:40.000 And it was a very skillful fight.

01:49:43.000 She fought him very skillful.

01:49:44.000 They came to bang.

01:49:46.000 I said, y'all came out of there fighting like cats and dogs in that first round.

01:49:51.000 But you can see it in her face.

01:49:52.000 She wanted the knockout so bad. 1.00

01:49:54.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:55.000 She's a dog. 0.97

01:49:56.000 She's ferocious.

01:49:57.000 Yeah.

01:49:58.000 And so skillful, too.

01:49:59.000 You know, but she's a unique individual star in a realm where there's not a lot of women stars. 1.00

01:50:10.000 But I think a person like her can encourage others.

01:50:13.000 Yeah.

01:50:14.000 And it could be more.

01:50:14.000 And when you have one star, a lot of times it does sort of open up the landscape for more.

01:50:20.000 For sure.

01:50:21.000 For sure.

01:50:23.000 She transcends.

01:50:24.000 She transcends boxing.

01:50:25.000 Like a lot of people know who Clarissa Shields is.

01:50:28.000 A lot of people know who she is outside of boxing.

01:50:31.000 And there's not a lot of other female boxers you could say that about. 1.00

01:50:34.000 There's only been a few ever, like Christy Martin.

01:50:37.000 Leilale.

01:50:38.000 Leilale.

01:50:39.000 And Wolf.

01:50:40.000 Yeah.

01:50:40.000 And Wolf was good.

01:50:41.000 Yeah, and Wolf.

01:50:42.000 Wolf.

01:50:44.000 Crack.

01:50:46.000 And she was a ferocious trainer, too.

01:50:47.000 Remember, she was training Kirkland?

01:50:49.000 Bro.

01:50:49.000 Yes.

01:50:50.000 With the bag on the back of the truck.

01:50:52.000 Oh man, she made him go through hell.

01:50:56.000 But when he was with her, he was phenomenal.

01:50:59.000 Weren't he undefeated with her?

01:51:01.000 I think he was undefeated with her.

01:51:03.000 And she wasn't with him when he fought Canelo, unfortunately.

01:51:06.000 A couple of fights, I don't think she was with him.

01:51:08.000 Well, I think it was too much.

01:51:09.000 Like, it was too hard.

01:51:11.000 Like, he didn't want to do it.

01:51:14.000 She's a tough lady, man. 0.99

01:51:16.000 She'd put you through some fucking hell. 0.99

01:51:18.000 Her training, like, there's some videos of her putting Kirkland through training camp.

01:51:22.000 And it's like, my God.

01:51:24.000 But for a woman to be able to do that, you know, it just shows you how impressive she was, how special she was. 0.99

01:51:31.000 But his performances showed as well.

01:51:33.000 Yes.

01:51:34.000 You know, because she was getting in his mind as well as physical.

01:51:38.000 Yes.

01:51:39.000 You know, and taking everything from him and putting him in a room.

01:51:44.000 And not his training.

01:51:45.000 It was kind of like Rocky.

01:51:46.000 Mm-hmm.

01:51:47.000 You know, you ain't got no TV.

01:51:49.000 All you're doing is work, eat, sleep, shit.

01:51:53.000 Yeah.

01:51:53.000 Boxing.

01:51:54.000 And it's just like, damn.

01:51:56.000 I got into old boxing footage real recently over the last like six months.

01:52:01.000 I've been watching a lot of old camps.

01:52:03.000 And there's some great YouTube channels that shows Haggler's camps.

01:52:07.000 And Hagler's camps were phenomenal.

01:52:09.000 It was so good.

01:52:10.000 Like Haggler was rich, and he would go to Provincetown, this shitty little fucking town on the Cape.

01:52:17.000 No disrespect, Provincetown.

01:52:18.000 I'm just saying, and compared to where he could be.

01:52:21.000 I mean, he could be in New York City.

01:52:22.000 He could be anywhere he wanted.

01:52:23.000 But he would go to this small town in the middle of fucking nowhere and run on the beach and live in a room with no TV, no nothing, just eat, sleep, train.

01:52:34.000 He was sparring 100 rounds a week.

01:52:36.000 I mean, it was wild.

01:52:38.000 Watching him train was incredible.

01:52:40.000 It was incredible.

01:52:41.000 And when he would get into that ring, there was no stone unturned.

01:52:47.000 No stone unturned.

01:52:49.000 And it was just all discipline and drive and focus.

01:52:54.000 And he was another guy, didn't get his due, didn't get his due until he stopped, really until he stopped Hearns.

01:53:00.000 That's when people really woke up.

01:53:02.000 You know, all the inside boxing people were very aware, but it took a while.

01:53:07.000 It took a while before the rest of the world called.

01:53:08.000 Because it wasn't flashy.

01:53:10.000 Yeah, it wasn't flashy.

01:53:11.000 Just dominate.

01:53:13.000 Just break people's wills.

01:53:14.000 The Mugabe fight to this day is one of my favorite fights of all time because Mugabe was putting people in the hospital.

01:53:21.000 That was tough.

01:53:22.000 Oh, my God.

01:53:22.000 Mugabe hit so fucking hard.

01:53:25.000 But that was the other thing about Hagler, man.

01:53:27.000 Had a chin from hell.

01:53:28.000 You know, Hagler had extraordinary mandible muscles that like they did a CAT scan on him, like a scan of his head.

01:53:36.000 They said the muscles on the side of his head is like he was born with headgear or he developed it just from biting down on a mouthpiece for so long.

01:53:46.000 Yeah, just oh.

01:53:47.000 But I love watching those old school training footage videos.

01:53:51.000 Like there's some great ones of Sugar A. Robinson running in the mountains and hitting the bag and training and all the calisthenics that he had to do.

01:54:00.000 I think more people should see stuff like that just to appreciate the amount of discipline and work that it takes to get into peak condition for a fight.

01:54:12.000 Because I just don't think they understand what your mind has to go through to get up for that every day over and over and over and over and over until you're finally in the ring.

01:54:23.000 Like the ring is almost the easy part.

01:54:26.000 The easiest.

01:54:28.000 It's tough.

01:54:29.000 It's like, you know, when we in Colorado and we got to run the mountain, like sometimes I'll be like, man, I ain't running this long, nigga, man. 0.89

01:54:39.000 Like, I don't care.

01:54:41.000 And then it'd be like, you're going to get your ass.

01:54:44.000 You better get your ass up.

01:54:44.000 Whoop.

01:54:46.000 Or a boa will come in there and be like, let's go.

01:54:48.000 I'd be like, man, boy, let's go.

01:54:51.000 I don't, Bo got this saying, anytime I'm giving him some push, he'd be like, I'm not about to argue with you for you to be great.

01:55:00.000 Let's go.

01:55:01.000 I'd be like, that's great to have someone with you.

01:55:04.000 Hey, right.

01:55:05.000 I was like, here we go.

01:55:06.000 He's been with you from the beginning.

01:55:07.000 From the start.

01:55:08.000 That's so big, too.

01:55:09.000 And it's crazy because the days that I don't want to do nothing is the craziest days that I do the best.

01:55:18.000 You know, and because you conquered that inner bitch, the thing inside you that wants to not do it. 0.98

01:55:24.000 Yeah, Steven said.

01:55:25.000 He's a big fucking man.

01:55:26.000 Yeah, Stephen be like, he was like, when you don't want to do something, it's like you're trying to hurry up and get it over with.

01:55:33.000 So you're trying to do it fast.

01:55:35.000 So like my best times is when I don't want to do it.

01:55:39.000 Like my best sparring is when I don't want to spar.

01:55:42.000 Because it's like, I'm like, all right, I'm about to fuck you up because I ain't about to play with you.

01:55:45.000 I ain't about to go in here doing all this extra shit.

01:55:48.000 You know, I don't want to get hit.

01:55:50.000 So it's like your best days is when you don't want to do it.

01:55:55.000 Yeah.

01:55:55.000 You know, that's when I perform the best in the gym and stuff like that.

01:55:59.000 So yeah, man, a lot of young fighters, when they come and see my training, they see what I go through three times a day.

01:56:09.000 So it's eat, sleep, shit, work.

01:56:14.000 You know, they like, man, you train too hard.

01:56:16.000 I'm like, ain't no such thing.

01:56:18.000 You know, Tim Bradley told me, hey, man, you got to rest.

01:56:22.000 You got to chill out.

01:56:24.000 Andre Ward, man, you got to rest.

01:56:27.000 You know, and these last two training camps, I took on their advice and took it just a day off, like in a week, like every week.

01:56:40.000 Instead of training seven days a week, I take one day off just not doing nothing.

01:56:46.000 And it helped me tremendously on my recovery.

01:56:49.000 Because I used to just do active rest on Sunday.

01:56:49.000 Really?

01:56:54.000 We'll do the incline.

01:56:55.000 We'll just do the incline.

01:56:57.000 That's it.

01:56:57.000 In the morning, early in the morning, then we have the whole day to recover.

01:57:02.000 But he like, no, you got to just take the whole day off not doing nothing and just recover.

01:57:10.000 And as you get, as I got older, you know, my last two training camps, I took that advice and it's just like, man, I'm like, man, I could have did this years ago.

01:57:22.000 I was just so like locked in.

01:57:24.000 Like, if I take a day off, they gonna have a day up on me.

01:57:30.000 Right.

01:57:30.000 You know, and I was just like, I can't do that.

01:57:32.000 I was working.

01:57:34.000 Well, it's a fine line where there's a point of diminishing returns where you put in too much work.

01:57:40.000 Like, seeing a guy fight when he's overtrained is one of the saddest things ever.

01:57:44.000 It's like his drive actually fucked him.

01:57:47.000 Yeah.

01:57:48.000 I've seen it before.

01:57:49.000 In MMA, it happens all the time.

01:57:51.000 Especially guys that don't use heart rate monitors, don't monitor their resting heart rate when they get up.

01:57:56.000 I'm on that my last two camps.

01:58:00.000 And that was the only two camps you did then?

01:58:01.000 My last two camps.

01:58:02.000 Wow.

01:58:03.000 Interesting.

01:58:04.000 Interesting.

01:58:04.000 So like everything was visual with my coaches because they've been with me so long.

01:58:11.000 Right.

01:58:12.000 So they know when to pull back.

01:58:14.000 Like some days they'll be like, all right, you know.

01:58:17.000 You did four rounds.

01:58:17.000 You're peeking.

01:58:19.000 Nah, we done.

01:58:20.000 Like, man, I got eight rounds today.

01:58:22.000 Ah, you good.

01:58:24.000 But like, what?

01:58:25.000 You good.

01:58:26.000 Don't worry about it.

01:58:27.000 We'll come back tomorrow.

01:58:28.000 You know, and I'd be like, all right.

01:58:30.000 You know, I will never question them.

01:58:31.000 Right.

01:58:32.000 You know, or we come in there and they'll be like, all right, today we just going, we're going to shallow box and we're going to hit the mitts.

01:58:37.000 But I never questioned them, but they already knew by watching me, you know, along the weeks to pull me back when to pull me up.

01:58:45.000 And then it started getting, you know, to me.

01:58:48.000 And I'm like, oh, okay.

01:58:49.000 So now I know they're not going to let me overtrain because they know I'm going to give it my all every time I train and anything I do.

01:58:58.000 So they just pull me back.

01:59:00.000 Like, all right, well, we're going to just do yoga today and we're going to do boxing work.

01:59:04.000 We ain't going to do no, you know, strength condition or we're not going to do no road work.

01:59:09.000 Or we're just going to swim.

01:59:11.000 Instead of running, we're going to swim.

01:59:13.000 You know, so some days they flip-flop.

01:59:16.000 That's the beauty of having a really good trainer.

01:59:19.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:59:20.000 And someone is really paying attention to you and knows you, like knows the signs, knows when you're a little sluggish, knows when you're peaking a little early.

01:59:29.000 Yeah.

01:59:30.000 Pull you back.

01:59:31.000 And anybody say that you train too hard?

01:59:33.000 It's like, compared to who?

01:59:35.000 Compared to who?

01:59:36.000 You know, like it's whether or not you've built your body up to the point where you're doing that for so many years that your body's conditioned to go that hard.

01:59:45.000 You know, because there's people that used to say that if you run a marathon, like you need like six months off.

01:59:50.000 I had a friend, it was my friend Cameron Haynes.

01:59:52.000 He runs ultra marathons.

01:59:54.000 When he was training for a 250-mile run, he was running a marathon every day.

01:59:58.000 Every day.

01:59:59.000 Most people, the conventional wisdom was you can't do that.

02:00:03.000 Yeah, you can.

02:00:04.000 You just got to get up to that.

02:00:07.000 So if a fighter is slacking off in between camps and getting fat and drinking and fucking off, and then they get back in the camp.

02:00:14.000 Yeah, you can't do three hard a day like that.

02:00:16.000 But if you're already in shape and you're already conditioned and you have built up this base of years and years of doing this, your conditioning will be so much better.

02:00:25.000 One of the things that I noticed in young fighters in particular, especially in MMA, is how tired they get in a three-round fight.

02:00:34.000 Just a three-round MMA fight, how tired they get.

02:00:37.000 And I'm sure they train hard, but they don't train as hard as these guys who don't get tired in a five-round fight.

02:00:43.000 So what is the difference?

02:00:44.000 Well, it's the years and years of building up that cardio base, not fucking up your body, not partying, knowing how to breathe.

02:00:52.000 That's the most important.

02:00:54.000 Yeah.

02:00:55.000 Because when I, my first time at the UFC, when I did strength and condition, you know, I was like, man, I'm not getting nothing out of it.

02:01:07.000 It's easy.

02:01:08.000 And it was like, well, it's not meant to break you or kill you.

02:01:14.000 You're going to see the difference.

02:01:16.000 And I'm just like, man, when I'm doing UFC back at home, like, I'm sore.

02:01:23.000 Like, I'm not sore, you know, the next day when I'm doing strength condition here.

02:01:29.000 But, like, gradually you start seeing the results.

02:01:33.000 Right.

02:01:33.000 You know, and it's like, damn, you know, and it's a science behind it.

02:01:37.000 Yes.

02:01:38.000 You know, and I was just like, in my mind, I'm like, man, I'm not working hard enough because I'm used to working hard and I'm going home and I'm like, oh, that was a good workout.

02:01:48.000 I feel it.

02:01:50.000 Like, psychologically, I'm like, I don't feel like I did nothing, you know, because my body is in so shape.

02:01:58.000 You know, I'm like, man, I need to do more.

02:02:00.000 They're like, you good.

02:02:01.000 You did a lot today.

02:02:02.000 You know, I'm like, all right.

02:02:05.000 So, like, gradually I'm starting to see the effects.

02:02:09.000 You know, I'm like, oh, okay.

02:02:11.000 So maybe he was working me out too hard.

02:02:14.000 You know, I'm getting stronger and everything.

02:02:16.000 I'm just like, okay.

02:02:18.000 You know, it's all a science.

02:02:20.000 It really is a science.

02:02:22.000 And, you know, the problem with fighters is, especially elite fighters, is they're so driven.

02:02:28.000 You know, and sometimes you can't let the dragon off the chain.

02:02:31.000 Like, slow down.

02:02:33.000 Yeah, slow down.

02:02:34.000 We got to do this.

02:02:35.000 We got to progress.

02:02:36.000 Progress over time and get to that perfect point the week before the fight where you just settle in and then fight time.

02:02:45.000 That's my guy Gavin.

02:02:46.000 Gavin just like, oh, don't worry.

02:02:49.000 We steps.

02:02:51.000 That's the beautiful thing about having someone that you can trust that really knows what they're doing.

02:02:55.000 And, you know, there's a lot of young fighters that are just all gas, no breaks, and they might be costing themselves a little bit.

02:03:01.000 But then there's a lot of lazy fighters like, yeah, I don't want to overtrain.

02:03:04.000 Like, no, no, no, you're under training.

02:03:04.000 Yeah.

02:03:06.000 That's why you get tired all the time.

02:03:08.000 You're not in good enough shape to be doing the proper workout that you need to do to really prepare for a fight.

02:03:13.000 Yeah.

02:03:14.000 It's just this fucking dance, man.

02:03:17.000 It takes forever to learn.

02:03:19.000 It takes forever.

02:03:21.000 You know, that's why a lot of fighters, they reach their prime when they get into their 30s because they get it all dialed in.

02:03:27.000 They know what they need.

02:03:28.000 They know what they need to do.

02:03:30.000 They know what a camp really feels like.

02:03:32.000 They prepare for it.

02:03:34.000 Bennard, the experience.

02:03:36.000 Yeah.

02:03:37.000 You know, so yeah, they definitely know their body.

02:03:41.000 They know when they're in shape, when they're out of shape, what they need, when they need a little more.

02:03:49.000 Experience is the best teacher, I would say.

02:03:52.000 Well, experience and then listening to people like you.

02:03:55.000 That's a big factor.

02:03:57.000 Listening to people that have done it all and, you know, and that wisdom, the just the things that you've said on this podcast today, I guarantee you right now, there are hundreds of thousands of fucking future fighters that are listening to this right now and that are probably like taking it all in.

02:04:14.000 Okay, because you know, in the early days, you don't know what the fuck to do.

02:04:18.000 You don't know what?

02:04:20.000 What's the right approach?

02:04:21.000 Is his approach?

02:04:22.000 Is his approach?

02:04:23.000 Like, what's the right mentality?

02:04:24.000 What's the right mindset?

02:04:25.000 What's who are the right coaches?

02:04:28.000 Which is a big factor.

02:04:29.000 You can get a bad coach and get stuck with a bad coach and it'll limit your development.

02:04:34.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:04:35.000 For sure.

02:04:36.000 And that goes back to styles.

02:04:39.000 When I said I was trying to coach everybody to the same style, when everybody ain't meant to be trained the same.

02:04:48.000 Everybody don't have the same mental capacity to process things the same way.

02:04:54.000 Some people process things different.

02:04:57.000 That's kind of like yelling at a fighter.

02:05:00.000 That motivated me.

02:05:02.000 Sometimes that break fighters.

02:05:03.000 They like, ha ha, I'm getting something wrong.

02:05:06.000 And, you know, so we look at them like, man, toughen up.

02:05:11.000 You know, but nowadays it's different.

02:05:14.000 Like, everything don't flock the same with one fighter like it do the same thing.

02:05:20.000 No, you got to figure out what gets your fighter going.

02:05:24.000 Yeah.

02:05:25.000 And that's another interesting dance.

02:05:29.000 I don't envy those people because your livelihood depends upon another person performing, which is kind of crazy.

02:05:36.000 It's a crazy way to live your life.

02:05:38.000 That's any sports.

02:05:39.000 Yep.

02:05:40.000 Like I always say, sometimes I blame the coaches, but for the most part, the players and the fighters and the athletes, they got to go out there and perform.

02:05:50.000 I could tell you, go out there and do this, but if you don't go do it, then that's on you.

02:05:56.000 Now, coaches, they can make the, I mean, they can get out-coached.

02:06:00.000 They can call the wrong plays at the wrong times, different like that.

02:06:04.000 But all in all, if he goes out there and miss a tackle, if he goes out there and not catch the ball, why am I getting fired?

02:06:13.000 They're going to blame me.

02:06:14.000 You know what I mean?

02:06:15.000 That's true.

02:06:16.000 Hey, I can't make him hit the three.

02:06:18.000 I can't make him, you know, D up.

02:06:21.000 So I'm getting fired because they're not performing.

02:06:24.000 You're also getting fired by people that don't totally understand all the subtle nuances of what you do if you're a coach.

02:06:33.000 Like if they're not a coach, how could you really understand?

02:06:36.000 If you're not day in, day out with these athletes in their head, working with them, seeing what they're doing, improving upon their strengths, strengthening their weaknesses.

02:06:45.000 If you're not doing that, you just are seeing results.

02:06:48.000 That's all you see.

02:06:49.000 You're judging based on results.

02:06:51.000 And you don't really know who's a good coach and who's not.

02:06:54.000 Because if you're a good coach, you got shit athletes.

02:06:57.000 Yeah.

02:06:58.000 You can only go so far.

02:06:59.000 That's it.

02:07:00.000 And it's tough.

02:07:01.000 It's tough to, you know, go across the middle and try to catch a bullet without when you know the safety about to come in later, the crazy slap on you.

02:07:11.000 You know, and it's crazy to go up, you know, on a seven-footer trying to shoot a three.

02:07:11.000 Yep.

02:07:18.000 Like it's hard at a professional level to do what these athletes is doing, but they making it seem like it's easy on the outside for us.

02:07:28.000 And we like, man, you didn't catch the ball.

02:07:30.000 It's like, man, you try to catch that ball with three people on you, you know, coming full speed and you got to worry about getting your feet inbounds and things like that.

02:07:41.000 It's so much.

02:07:42.000 Well, it's like TFEMO's corner during the secure fight.

02:07:44.000 You got to hit him.

02:07:46.000 You got to hit him.

02:07:47.000 Like, what do you think I'm trying to do?

02:07:50.000 Tell me how to hit him. 0.54

02:07:51.000 Tell me how to set up to hit him.

02:07:53.000 Don't just tell me you got to hit him.

02:07:56.000 And that goes into saying that everybody shouldn't be a coach.

02:08:01.000 Right.

02:08:02.000 You know, because now you're not giving me no instructions.

02:08:06.000 You're going off of emotions.

02:08:08.000 And you're just telling me, hey, you got to hit him.

02:08:08.000 Right.

02:08:11.000 You're not hitting him.

02:08:12.000 What are you doing?

02:08:13.000 Yeah.

02:08:14.000 Now, what if T.O. would have said, what is you doing?

02:08:17.000 Because you're not telling me nothing.

02:08:18.000 You see me trying to hit him, but he's moving.

02:08:21.000 You know, like, what I supposed to do?

02:08:23.000 I'm swinging and I'm missing.

02:08:26.000 So tell me how to set it up to him.

02:08:28.000 But there's really nothing anybody could have told him.

02:08:32.000 Yeah.

02:08:32.000 The gap was just too wide at that point.

02:08:35.000 Right.

02:08:36.000 They should have studied more in training.

02:08:36.000 Yeah.

02:08:39.000 But even then, it's like the problem is years.

02:08:43.000 It's years of advancement.

02:08:45.000 It's years of intelligent boxing.

02:08:47.000 It's years of setups.

02:08:48.000 It's years of skills.

02:08:50.000 I think when a fighter have a good coach that's knowledgeable and they believe in a coach and a coach asks them to do something and they believe that that's going to work, they'll try it.

02:09:06.000 You know, if your coach tells you, all right, listen, he's stepping back every time you step in.

02:09:12.000 So that means for every time he step back, you got to step in twice and double the jab and close the distance and let your hands go when you get in range.

02:09:21.000 And that fighter go out there and do what the coach asked him to do and he's successful, then that's a different ballgame.

02:09:28.000 That's a different ballgame.

02:09:29.000 Because now you're listening to your coach, but your coach is seeing what the other fighter is doing that's making him be more successful.

02:09:36.000 Technical instruction.

02:09:37.000 There you go.

02:09:38.000 Yeah.

02:09:38.000 You can't just go out there and hit him.

02:09:41.000 Tell me how to do it.

02:09:42.000 I hear that shit in the corner.

02:09:44.000 I'm like, good Lord, what are you saying?

02:09:47.000 You hear it in MMA all the time.

02:09:48.000 You got to put it on him.

02:09:50.000 Oh, oh, I didn't know.

02:09:52.000 I got to put it on him.

02:09:54.000 All this time I was hoping it would just happen.

02:09:57.000 Yeah.

02:09:58.000 Well, listen, man, congratulations on everything.

02:10:00.000 You had a fantastic, spectacular, like one of a generation career.

02:10:07.000 So it's beautiful to watch.

02:10:09.000 And as a fan, I'm honored that you came in here.

02:10:13.000 And I think what you've done is just fucking incredible.

02:10:16.000 So congratulations on everything.

02:10:19.000 And enjoy it.

02:10:20.000 Enjoy all the rest of your life.

02:10:22.000 You earned it all.

02:10:24.000 Thank you very much.

02:10:26.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 25, 2026

JRE MMA Show #174 with Terence Crawford

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