The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #179 with Josh Thompson & "Big" John McCarthy

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00:00:09.000 Gentlemen, we're live.

00:00:14.000 What's happening?

00:00:15.000 Good to see you.

00:00:16.000 What is up?

00:00:17.000 I enjoy your show.

00:00:18.000 Your show's excellent.

00:00:19.000 You guys have a really good MMA show.

00:00:20.000 It's really solid. 0.99

00:00:21.000 Shit, thank you. 0.99

00:00:21.000 Thank you. 0.99

00:00:22.000 I kind of blew that.

00:00:24.000 We can talk about that.

00:00:24.000 How'd you go?

00:00:26.000 You know what?

00:00:26.000 I got to talk to you.

00:00:27.000 You guys are not doing it anymore?

00:00:29.000 I stepped back away when I started refereeing again. 0.99

00:00:32.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:00:33.000 You got to go back to doing it. 1.00

00:00:34.000 You guys are great.

00:00:35.000 You guys are a great combination.

00:00:36.000 I think I might.

00:00:38.000 What we did is we started doing McCarthy Mondays because when he went back to refereeing, he's not allowed to talk about promotions, not allowed to talk about fighters and what's wrong and the things that possibly can make some changes.

00:00:50.000 So we just started McCarthy Monday where we just talk about the Joe Schilling situation.

00:00:54.000 That's something we could talk about, right?

00:00:56.000 So I created a show for him to just only do on Mondays.

00:00:59.000 He created.

00:01:00.000 Nice.

00:01:01.000 Well, it's his input.

00:01:03.000 It's his input.

00:01:03.000 He created it.

00:01:04.000 I was just trying to find ways to keep him involved.

00:01:06.000 I love that you're refereeing again.

00:01:08.000 We need great referees, but.

00:01:10.000 I wish you were out there doing both.

00:01:11.000 It doesn't make sense to me that you can't do both.

00:01:13.000 Like, it's not like you're not going to be a great referee while also still being able to comment objectively about promotions.

00:01:19.000 It's important.

00:01:20.000 Yeah.

00:01:21.000 It's important.

00:01:21.000 It is important.

00:01:22.000 Like, transparency, where's ever the problem with that?

00:01:25.000 Exactly.

00:01:26.000 But you get these people that, oh no, because you might say something that is going to create a problem.

00:01:32.000 And it's like, it's not a problem if it's the truth. 0.97

00:01:34.000 It's ridiculous.

00:01:35.000 I mean, if that was the case, why? 0.86

00:01:37.000 How come I can do it as a commentator?

00:01:39.000 How come all these guys can do it?

00:01:40.000 Because you're the best.

00:01:41.000 Yeah, but I mean, everybody should be able to have a voice, especially referees.

00:01:46.000 You should, like, if something happens and you're a referee and you could say, here's my perspective, this is why I did what I did.

00:01:54.000 And you have it on a podcast on a regular basis, that's a benefit to everybody.

00:01:59.000 So that is what I'm trying to clear.

00:02:00.000 I believe you're right.

00:02:01.000 But what you run into is you run into some issues where the referee says too much and then people come back at them and then the commissions have to answer for it and then the fighters dig on them.

00:02:11.000 Good.

00:02:12.000 People are talking. 0.99

00:02:13.000 That's how shit gets solved. 0.99

00:02:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:02:15.000 That's how you don't have, like, one hand downed is not a downed opponent anymore.

00:02:20.000 Why? 0.98

00:02:20.000 Because we fucking complained forever. 0.98

00:02:22.000 12 to 6 elbows. 0.99

00:02:23.000 They're legit again.

00:02:25.000 Except in New Jersey.

00:02:27.000 You see the problem? 1.00

00:02:29.000 The goddamn problem? 1.00

00:02:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:30.000 When we were in New Jersey, I was like, you gotta be kidding me. 0.99

00:02:32.000 How the fuck do you guys not have 12 to 6 elbows? 0.97

00:02:34.000 You can't make it any more complicated for the referees and the fighters. 1.00

00:02:37.000 Bro, it's so dumb. 1.00

00:02:37.000 It's the dumbest fucking thing ever. 1.00

00:02:39.000 It's so unfair to the fighters themselves because when we, like, I was part, I wrote those things out. 1.00

00:02:46.000 And they were passed by the ABC, but we gave six months.

00:02:50.000 Six months because you got to give the fighters time to train to make sure that they get it right.

00:02:55.000 Okay.

00:02:56.000 And so it's put it in, it works great.

00:02:59.000 And now you expect them to go back to one location.

00:03:03.000 In the middle of a fight.

00:03:04.000 Exactly.

00:03:05.000 One location.

00:03:06.000 And now they're going to automatically go back to the old rules.

00:03:09.000 It's like, do you realize what you're doing to them?

00:03:11.000 It doesn't make any sense either. 1.00

00:03:13.000 The old rules are fucking stupid. 1.00

00:03:15.000 We all agreed. 1.00

00:03:16.000 No one was like, no, no, no.

00:03:18.000 12 to 6 elbows are too dangerous.

00:03:20.000 Oh, yes, there was.

00:03:22.000 Was there people?

00:03:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:23.000 You're not.

00:03:23.000 You're a broadcast partner.

00:03:24.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:03:25.000 Dan Cormier. 1.00

00:03:25.000 Which one? 1.00

00:03:26.000 No.

00:03:27.000 I swear to God. 1.00

00:03:28.000 He says some crazy shit. 1.00

00:03:29.000 He does say some crazy shit. 1.00

00:03:31.000 DC, I love you. 1.00

00:03:32.000 I love him.

00:03:32.000 I love DC.

00:03:33.000 Why did he say that 12 to 6 elbows are dangerous?

00:03:35.000 He goes, I think that rule should absolutely.

00:03:37.000 That's dangerous.

00:03:38.000 If we're going to ban anything, and I don't think we should ban anything, but if we're going to ban anything, sidekicks to the knees.

00:03:38.000 I swear.

00:03:43.000 See? 0.96

00:03:44.000 That right there.

00:03:46.000 We should.

00:03:46.000 Right?

00:03:47.000 I don't think we should, but I'm saying if we should, there's an argument that you're going to blow out a guy's knee and his career will never be the same.

00:03:47.000 No, you shouldn't.

00:03:54.000 Then we should absolutely ban kicks to the head and knees to the head.

00:03:57.000 We should ban.

00:03:58.000 Yes, because what's worse, the blown out knee or the blown out brain?

00:04:01.000 I'm agreeing with you.

00:04:03.000 I don't think we should ban anything.

00:04:04.000 There you go.

00:04:04.000 There's one thing that does bother me, like the Cleo Roundtree, Modestus, Baconcus fight.

00:04:09.000 Remember, well.

00:04:10.000 His knee went sideways.

00:04:11.000 Yeah.

00:04:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:12.000 He's fucked for a year at least, if not forever. 0.99

00:04:15.000 But not forever. 0.99

00:04:15.000 Okay, but what's the difference between that and, we'll say, you know, Edson Barbosa, Terry Adams. 0.99

00:04:23.000 And that kick to the head?

00:04:25.000 You don't think that that was more than a year?

00:04:27.000 Terry Adams.

00:04:28.000 You know it was.

00:04:28.000 Really was never the Him exactly that's my point.

00:04:31.000 I mean, that was like getting hit by a meteor.

00:04:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:33.000 Oh, that was crazy.

00:04:35.000 I mean, it was absolutely perfectly executed, beautiful technique that it absolutely altered.

00:04:41.000 And then we talked about the time, first wheel kick KO in the U.S. absolutely, it was crazy.

00:04:46.000 Yeah, oh, yeah, crazy.

00:04:47.000 Yeah, but you look and you go, there are those fights, and we say it all the time.

00:04:51.000 And you know, you as a referee, as a fighter, you know, with him, here it is right here.

00:04:55.000 We go and watch this thing.

00:04:57.000 Oh, I mean, that one was just insane.

00:05:00.000 But you, the fighters themselves.

00:05:03.000 They get paid to get damaged.

00:05:05.000 I hate to say that, but it's the truth.

00:05:07.000 That's part of their pay they go in and they're going to accept some damage, but you don't want them to have unnecessary damage.

00:05:13.000 Right.

00:05:14.000 No, I agree with you.

00:05:15.000 So, do you think we go Ryzen rules?

00:05:16.000 Because there's something to be said for that.

00:05:19.000 Look at it.

00:05:19.000 I do.

00:05:20.000 I've advocated for knees on the ground for a long time.

00:05:23.000 It's never going to happen.

00:05:24.000 My position is it's better in a ring because you can avoid them a little bit if you're mobile, right?

00:05:30.000 If you're still conscious and you have defensive capability, you can move around knees and kicks.

00:05:34.000 When the cage happens and you're butted up and someone stomps you, that's a totally different name.

00:05:34.000 Yeah.

00:05:39.000 First off, the stomp I don't ever agree with.

00:05:40.000 And the reason why is this Name me the fight that you saw that a stomp was an effective technique when the fighter was not already seriously hurt.

00:05:51.000 Doesn't happen.

00:05:53.000 Sakuraba.

00:05:53.000 Sakuraba used to do it all the time after he hurt people.

00:05:56.000 Every time he tried to do it when they weren't hurt, they just moved and he was Mongolian stomping on nothing. 0.99

00:06:03.000 Take a look at him. 1.00

00:06:03.000 Go ahead. 1.00

00:06:04.000 Yeah, I'd have to go back.

00:06:05.000 Watch, yeah.

00:06:06.000 There was, there was a mini one and Phil Baroni.

00:06:08.000 He did that a couple times with him when Minua couldn't get the takedown because I was there cornering him for that fight.

00:06:13.000 There was that fight, then there was, um, and then Shogun and Ninja.

00:06:15.000 Remember when they used to like do the stomp?

00:06:17.000 Oh, yeah, no, Shogun, Ninja, and Shogun, the brothers together.

00:06:21.000 Yeah, those guys were phenomenal at them.

00:06:24.000 Oh, and we people that only saw Shogun in Pride missed it.

00:06:28.000 Oh, yeah, you missed it, excuse me, in the UFC fight against in Pride Quentin Rampage Jackson was, I mean, because a lot of people didn't, you know.

00:06:37.000 Going into that fight, you know, that's Rampage.

00:06:39.000 You know, this guy's young.

00:06:41.000 He absolutely just annihilated Rampage in that fight.

00:06:45.000 And it was like, oh my God, he's way better than I ever gave him credit for before that fight.

00:06:51.000 That fight was a coming out party for Shogun.

00:06:55.000 Yeah, he was a lethal striker.

00:06:57.000 And all those Curitiba guys were so hyper aggressive.

00:06:57.000 Lethal.

00:07:02.000 Yeah, his brother was just as nasty until he, you know, he got a little chinny after a little bit.

00:07:06.000 He started fighting big guys.

00:07:07.000 Yeah, that was the problem.

00:07:08.000 Didn't he fight Alexander?

00:07:11.000 Who did he fight?

00:07:12.000 He fought some heavyweight, right?

00:07:13.000 Yeah, and he got crushed.

00:07:14.000 He fought quite a few.

00:07:15.000 He got crushed.

00:07:16.000 But he fought one guy where it was like, what is this?

00:07:20.000 Why is he fighting this guy?

00:07:21.000 Yeah.

00:07:22.000 I can't remember who it was.

00:07:23.000 Was it a million inches?

00:07:24.000 I was going to say it was Alexander Emilienko.

00:07:25.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:07:26.000 I think it was that.

00:07:27.000 I think it was. 0.99

00:07:28.000 And it was like one of those fights like, no, This is a real fucking heavyweight, a big one with nasty striking. 0.98

00:07:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:07:35.000 You know, I mean, he was fucking nasty. 0.99

00:07:38.000 He was good. 0.99

00:07:39.000 Yeah, he had some smooth striking.

00:07:41.000 People don't give the Emilienko's.

00:07:43.000 As a whole, Alexander was a little bit off, a little bit crazy.

00:07:47.000 Oh, a lot.

00:07:47.000 Okay.

00:07:48.000 How about the dead baby on his back? 1.00

00:07:51.000 Like the fucking death holding a baby tattooed on his back? 1.00

00:07:53.000 Like, that's a choice. 1.00

00:07:55.000 That's a fucking. 0.99

00:07:57.000 See if you can find Alexander Emilianenko's back tattoo. 1.00

00:08:02.000 You look at that, you're like, what is going on in your mind?

00:08:06.000 And then you're like, this should be on my back permanently.

00:08:08.000 But that's the brother.

00:08:10.000 And then you have Fedor as the guy who was even better.

00:08:14.000 Yeah.

00:08:15.000 Fedor is, you know, he was such a good guy.

00:08:15.000 Look at it.

00:08:18.000 Look at that fucking tattoo. 1.00

00:08:19.000 There you go. 1.00

00:08:20.000 What does it say in Russian, Jamie?

00:08:22.000 No, I don't know.

00:08:22.000 Jesus.

00:08:25.000 That's hilarious.

00:08:26.000 That is the craziest thing. 1.00

00:08:27.000 The baby's got a fucking sword and a crown. 1.00

00:08:29.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:08:30.000 And then death is like, yes, let's kill everyone. 0.98

00:08:34.000 It's not even a good drawing. 1.00

00:08:36.000 It's like, that's some Russian prison shit. 0.99

00:08:37.000 That's just some Russian prison. 1.00

00:08:39.000 100%.

00:08:39.000 He's 100% committed.

00:08:40.000 That's a ballpoint pen and a fucking sewing needle. 1.00

00:08:43.000 Yep. 1.00

00:08:44.000 Yeah.

00:08:45.000 They did that in a Russian prison.

00:08:46.000 100%.

00:08:47.000 Urine and Ash.

00:08:48.000 Woo.

00:08:49.000 Bro, that's a lot of time.

00:08:51.000 God is with us.

00:08:52.000 Are you sure?

00:08:53.000 Are you sure?

00:08:54.000 Based on that.

00:08:55.000 Yeah, someone is.

00:08:57.000 And then you got his brother's brother has no tattoos.

00:08:59.000 No tattoos.

00:09:00.000 And then you can find a small little wooden cross on his chest.

00:09:03.000 I know, right?

00:09:04.000 He's so stoic.

00:09:05.000 Oh, he's awesome.

00:09:06.000 Alexander Milianenko, James Thompson fight. 0.99

00:09:09.000 James Thompson was an animal built like a fucking Greek god. 1.00

00:09:13.000 Comes out, terrifying, fucking huge massacre. 1.00

00:09:19.000 The best is the look on Alexander's face throughout all of the thing. 0.99

00:09:23.000 I'm going to fall asleep.

00:09:24.000 It's just completely stoic.

00:09:26.000 Look at Tom.

00:09:27.000 And so worked up.

00:09:28.000 Starts pounding his chest.

00:09:29.000 He's shaking.

00:09:30.000 Look at him, man. 0.99

00:09:31.000 He's ready to fucking go. 1.00

00:09:34.000 He just stepped out of a bar. 0.99

00:09:36.000 He's no flexing at all.

00:09:38.000 He doesn't even lift his hand up all the way.

00:09:40.000 He's like, hey, everybody.

00:09:41.000 Got the belly hanging out a little bit.

00:09:43.000 It's awesome.

00:09:44.000 Look how chilly he looks.

00:09:45.000 Look how Joe Fedor looks, too.

00:09:47.000 No worries at all.

00:09:50.000 Look at James. 0.98

00:09:50.000 He's so fucking hyped up. 0.98

00:09:53.000 Alexander's like, it's like he's wanting a sandwich. 0.99

00:09:58.000 It's like I'll have Swiss cheese and mustard.

00:10:01.000 Yep.

00:10:02.000 He's ordering a sandwich.

00:10:05.000 It's vicious.

00:10:06.000 He rocks him too, right off the bat.

00:10:08.000 James comes charging.

00:10:09.000 James comes charging at him, puts him down, but he wasn't hurt.

00:10:12.000 It was like he fell down.

00:10:14.000 That hurt.

00:10:15.000 That hurt, James.

00:10:17.000 That hurt, James.

00:10:18.000 Once he starts connecting, they had that Soviet style fluid boxing that just whip punches. 0.99

00:10:25.000 Look, I'll tell you what, I worked out with Fedor, and it was a great moment in my life if you're going to sit there and say, Well, if you're going to get your ass kicked, it's a great moment. 0.94

00:10:35.000 But the one thing I always thought, you know, before watching him, refing him, I go, he's got to have some kind of, you know, like just tarred strength, you know. 0.98

00:10:44.000 Right, right.

00:10:45.000 No, he's fast.

00:10:47.000 And I mean, super fat.

00:10:49.000 When he explodes, and his hands are down kind of, so it's hard to see when the shots are coming.

00:10:55.000 And everything he does, he just explodes into.

00:10:58.000 And you go, oh, I get it.

00:11:00.000 Because you got to work really hard to try to stay up with his speed when he all of a sudden is exploding.

00:11:05.000 And then it's like, oh, He doesn't get tired, and you're starting to get tired because you're having to match that RPM that he's at.

00:11:10.000 Right.

00:11:11.000 And he's not a big heavyweight.

00:11:12.000 No, he's not.

00:11:13.000 Which I think is a real benefit.

00:11:14.000 I think it is.

00:11:15.000 Until you're fighting a guy like Engano.

00:11:18.000 Yeah.

00:11:18.000 And I'm like, yeah.

00:11:20.000 There's a problem there.

00:11:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:22.000 Because that guy could be patient, 265 naturally, nuclear power.

00:11:27.000 Engano hits you anywhere in the head.

00:11:29.000 It's a problem.

00:11:30.000 Yeah, it's a real problem.

00:11:30.000 You're in trouble.

00:11:32.000 He hit Philip Lins, hit him on basic almost, we didn't even say the temple, hit him almost to the top of the head.

00:11:38.000 And look, He was out.

00:11:39.000 I mean, he's not able to control his body.

00:11:42.000 That guy's got the ability to hurt, you know, when he fought Kane.

00:11:46.000 You know, take a look.

00:11:46.000 Yeah.

00:11:47.000 Yeah.

00:11:47.000 It wasn't a great shot.

00:11:48.000 Right.

00:11:49.000 But it hurt him.

00:11:49.000 Yeah.

00:11:50.000 He's got crazy power.

00:11:51.000 Yeah.

00:11:52.000 But Fedor was a different thing because Fedor had that Russian style of movement that you see, like Dmitry Bival has, where they're real relaxed.

00:12:01.000 And the footwork and everything.

00:12:03.000 That little bit of a bounce.

00:12:04.000 He's got that little bit of a bounce, it out, just sits there and wait, and he waits for your motion to come where he wants it to be, and then he changes that distance and just crashes.

00:12:12.000 Fedor did a really good job of coming around your guard as well.

00:12:15.000 So it wasn't just a big straight right all the time.

00:12:17.000 Rich Franklin used to do that as well.

00:12:19.000 He'd come around your guard, you'd put your hands up, and Fedor had a He did a great job with that, coming around and landing the big overhand right, and then he'd come up uppercut, then he'd take you down or hip toss you, body lock you. 0.97

00:12:28.000 And if you took him to the ground off his back, he's got one of the quickest fucking arm bars in the game, which is nuts. 0.91

00:12:34.000 It's transitioning. 0.98

00:12:35.000 Hong Man Choi. 0.80

00:12:36.000 He armbars like a little foot tall dude.

00:12:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:39.000 He's all stretched out.

00:12:41.000 He's like, in this.

00:12:42.000 He goes, he's off the ground completely.

00:12:45.000 He was great everywhere.

00:12:46.000 And you think about him as being this overall picture of one of the greatest, if not the greatest MMA fighter of all time.

00:12:54.000 But people forget, his stand up was so good.

00:12:57.000 That the Krokop fight was mostly stand up.

00:13:00.000 He wrote the blueprint on how to beat Krokop.

00:13:02.000 Exactly.

00:13:02.000 Which is, you got to be him to do it, though.

00:13:05.000 Yeah.

00:13:05.000 The thing, I mean, he, first of all, his stand up has always been real dangerous, but also it's like the way he was able to check that left kick.

00:13:13.000 He was doing a lot of like lifting the knee up and catching it up high.

00:13:17.000 Yeah.

00:13:18.000 But how many people had you seen that would back Krokop onto his back foot and march forward?

00:13:25.000 No, but.

00:13:26.000 Exactly.

00:13:26.000 Not in his prime.

00:13:27.000 That was the difference, is when you looked at it, he told himself, nope.

00:13:31.000 I'm going to make you go backwards.

00:13:33.000 And it took a lot of what Crow Cop did, and it just nullified a lot of it.

00:13:37.000 Well, a lot of it was the threat of the grappling, right?

00:13:39.000 That was a big part of it.

00:13:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:40.000 Well, not with that, because then Fedor didn't have to worry about if he did slip and fall.

00:13:44.000 If he threw a big shot and he got cut from underneath, if he did fall to the ground, exactly.

00:13:47.000 Crow Cop wasn't going to fall into the ground. 0.95

00:13:49.000 He could just hop back up.

00:13:50.000 Yeah.

00:13:50.000 So there was that.

00:13:51.000 And then on top of it, too, when you fought him in the phone booth, you're not worried as much for that head kick to get there if I'm within inches of you.

00:13:57.000 That left kick was.

00:13:58.000 Yeah.

00:14:00.000 There's this picture of Heath Herring.

00:14:01.000 Where the shin is like halfway into Heath's ribs.

00:14:04.000 Oh, it's crazy.

00:14:05.000 I know exactly what you're doing.

00:14:06.000 You know that picture?

00:14:07.000 It's crazy.

00:14:08.000 You see ProCop's shin is just so deep, you just feel your own liver.

00:14:12.000 I've seen the Vanderlei ones because Vanderlei's ribs were just tore up from their father.

00:14:16.000 Look at that picture.

00:14:17.000 Look at that picture.

00:14:18.000 Bro, that's crazy.

00:14:19.000 Do you know how much that hurts?

00:14:22.000 I mean, that is.

00:14:23.000 Actually, I do.

00:14:25.000 That's the part where you look with people and you go, you know, do you realize what the.

00:14:29.000 Yeah, that would hurt a little.

00:14:30.000 No, no, no.

00:14:32.000 Your entire body is going, I quit.

00:14:35.000 It just seizes up.

00:14:36.000 He had such explosive power.

00:14:38.000 And to me, he was like the first guy to figure out how to transition from kickboxing to MMA.

00:14:43.000 Because he did it with explosiveness.

00:14:45.000 But Maurice Smith, come on, you got to give a guess.

00:14:47.000 Maurice Smith, I got to give a guess.

00:14:49.000 That's true.

00:14:50.000 Maurice was the first.

00:14:51.000 But Krokop was in that same era.

00:14:54.000 He was doing it in pride.

00:14:54.000 I'm sorry.

00:14:55.000 And all those other guys like Ernesto Hoost, it didn't really work out for them.

00:15:00.000 He only fought Bob Sapp in a kickboxing fight. 0.83

00:15:02.000 But even when they were fighting bigger, Krokop fucked up Bob Sapp. 0.94

00:15:06.000 Same era. 0.97

00:15:07.000 Same time.

00:15:07.000 Yeah.

00:15:08.000 Exactly.

00:15:09.000 Same, same.

00:15:09.000 Same time period.

00:15:10.000 It was that explosiveness.

00:15:12.000 Whereas, like, guys like Peter Ertz, that wouldn't translate as well in MMA.

00:15:16.000 Elite strikers, but they wanted to get into a rhythm.

00:15:19.000 They wanted to, like, get into situations and exchanges.

00:15:22.000 And with Krokop, it was just these one shots were coming at you like nuclear missiles.

00:15:27.000 And it was a different threat.

00:15:29.000 It was a completely different threat than a lot of other guys because he was so explosive.

00:15:33.000 Yeah.

00:15:34.000 Yeah.

00:15:34.000 He's.

00:15:34.000 Krokop was.

00:15:36.000 What a great guy.

00:15:37.000 Oh, he's awesome.

00:15:38.000 As far as, you know, and, but.

00:15:40.000 His left kick has to be the best left kick there's ever been in the sport of MMA.

00:15:45.000 Yeah, I don't think you could even think of a second place.

00:15:47.000 Like, who's got a better left kick than Krokop?

00:15:50.000 Maybe Edson Barboza's switch kick.

00:15:52.000 Yeah.

00:15:53.000 That switch kick was preposterous.

00:15:55.000 So quick, so accurate, too.

00:15:56.000 In his prime, he would kick, and I'd be like, Is there something wrong with my eyes?

00:16:00.000 It was so fast.

00:16:02.000 It was just like a 120 pound guy.

00:16:04.000 Yeah.

00:16:05.000 It was so fast.

00:16:06.000 Yeah.

00:16:07.000 Dana called me a couple of times to fight him, and I was like, Ranked number three.

00:16:10.000 He was like, just, I think he hit number 15.

00:16:12.000 I'm like, No.

00:16:15.000 Give me a higher rank guy.

00:16:16.000 Sorry.

00:16:16.000 It's not that I wouldn't fight him.

00:16:18.000 It's not that I wouldn't fight him.

00:16:20.000 Give me a higher ranked guy.

00:16:21.000 Make it make sense.

00:16:22.000 Make it make sense.

00:16:23.000 Help me help you.

00:16:25.000 At this time in my life, make it make sense.

00:16:25.000 Come on.

00:16:33.000 When he came in, though, you got to look at Barbosa.

00:16:35.000 He's been there a long time now when you think about it.

00:16:37.000 Still going out there.

00:16:38.000 But when he came in, it was like, dude, this is a next level of stand up ability with what this guy can do.

00:16:46.000 And it was like, man.

00:16:47.000 And oddly, mostly kicks.

00:16:49.000 Like his boxing wasn't threatening like his kicks were.

00:16:49.000 Yeah.

00:16:52.000 It was not equal.

00:16:53.000 It was mostly kicks.

00:16:54.000 You're right.

00:16:55.000 No.

00:16:56.000 I developed something along the Jose Aldo level of boxing where he ripped the body, came back on top of the head, went with those kicks.

00:17:02.000 I mean, Aldo's takedown defense was nuts.

00:17:05.000 Probably the best, I think, probably the best in the sport that we've seen.

00:17:07.000 I mean, honestly.

00:17:08.000 Other than BJ in his prime.

00:17:10.000 Yeah, right, with the one leg hop. 0.96

00:17:11.000 BJ in his prime was ridiculous. 0.99

00:17:13.000 His balance was fucking insane. 1.00

00:17:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:17:15.000 But I think he's the only guy that didn't get taken down by Mirab. 0.85

00:17:18.000 When Mirab and him fought three crazy rounds, I think Mirab went for like 90 fucking takedowns or something. 0.68

00:17:25.000 And I don't think Mirab took him down. 0.75

00:17:26.000 Yeah, he mostly won that fight up against the cage, hitting him with punches, working for takedowns, cage damage.

00:17:33.000 Extremely underestimated Jose Aldo's takedown defense.

00:17:36.000 People, it's the fun you take a look, and Aldo doesn't now all of a sudden it's kind of like the Anderson Silva thing.

00:17:43.000 All of a sudden, it's like, you know, well, let's talk about the very best in the 145 pound.

00:17:48.000 And look at Alexander Volkanovsky's right there, he's phenomenal.

00:17:51.000 I'm not saying don't forget what Jose Aldo did.

00:17:56.000 Absolutely, I mean, through the WEC into being the UFC champion, all those fights, man.

00:18:00.000 I tell you what, that.

00:18:01.000 That guy was absolutely nuts as far as how good he was at one time.

00:18:05.000 Well, I think it was also because he was an elite soccer player.

00:18:09.000 And the ability to, like, if you ever watch a live soccer game, a professional soccer match, you're like, oh, Jesus.

00:18:15.000 Well, they're athletes.

00:18:16.000 They don't get to slow down.

00:18:17.000 They don't have a, like, a, there's no halftime.

00:18:19.000 There's no, like, big break for commercials. 0.99

00:18:22.000 There's no bullshit. 0.98

00:18:23.000 They just go. 0.95

00:18:24.000 There's no timeouts. 1.00

00:18:25.000 Giant fucking legs. 1.00

00:18:26.000 They all have insane leg power because they're just sprinting all day long. 0.99

00:18:30.000 And you go, oh, well, that would translate perfectly to MMA for kicking, for moving, for footwork.

00:18:35.000 Think about all.

00:18:36.000 It's not just that, right?

00:18:37.000 It's the stop and go, stop and go, like in a real fight, right?

00:18:40.000 I get a takedown, I get to rest for a second, and then he postures back up and gets back to his feet.

00:18:43.000 I got to go again and sprints again, get the takedown.

00:18:45.000 In soccer, same thing.

00:18:46.000 You run hard down the line.

00:18:47.000 Oh, the ball gets turned back.

00:18:48.000 Now you kind of jog back a little bit.

00:18:50.000 Now the ball gets played to you.

00:18:51.000 It's the stop and go of sprinting, just like a real fight.

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00:20:11.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:20:12.000 There's a bunch of different bases that, if you come from them, they have a big advantage.

00:20:16.000 It puts you in a big advantage in different sports.

00:20:18.000 Yeah, soccer and wrestling.

00:20:19.000 Those two things.

00:20:21.000 The grinding of the wrestling and just the cardio fatigue, and understanding that I can push through when I get tired.

00:20:21.000 Yeah.

00:20:27.000 Because there's nothing more satisfying, you know, in terms of when you run down the line, the guy plays the ball into the corner, and you got to beat that defender there, and you cross it across, and you're it's that sprinting down there to beat him.

00:20:37.000 But then also, too, in wrestling, knowing that you can break another human being like, I need to break you mentally, grind on you, and hang on you.

00:20:43.000 Those two sports, I think, are huge for the sport of being alive.

00:20:46.000 And getting used to suffering dehydrated, right?

00:20:50.000 That's just the weight cuts.

00:20:52.000 Getting used to suffering.

00:20:53.000 Yeah.

00:20:54.000 But the weight cuts and having to compete on the same day as weight cuts is a big difference. 0.75

00:21:00.000 And for people that have never done that before and don't know, it's fucking hard.

00:21:04.000 Even 24 hours is hard. 0.97

00:21:05.000 Weight cutting is the grossest thing in MMA.

00:21:07.000 It is. 0.57

00:21:07.000 They should figure out a way to stop it. 0.57

00:21:09.000 I totally.

00:21:10.000 I don't know if your weight is.

00:21:11.000 There is no way.

00:21:13.000 We're going to talk about one of the most dangerous things that you do with it.

00:21:16.000 Think about this, Joe.

00:21:18.000 Every sport, soccer, football, baseball, basketball, they all have team chefs.

00:21:23.000 They all have all these things.

00:21:25.000 As far as.

00:21:26.000 We want our athletes to be as physically ready and have the right nutrition and all these things.

00:21:31.000 What's the sports that we go and we starve our athletes and dehydrate them?

00:21:37.000 24 hours before it came to us. 1.00

00:21:38.000 That's the dumbest thing ever. 0.99

00:21:39.000 24 hours before the most demanding, most dangerous sport in the world. 0.99

00:21:42.000 But Joe, even if we did it the same day, fighters would still cut weight to try and make that weight.

00:21:42.000 Yep.

00:21:47.000 They would still do that to themselves.

00:21:48.000 The question is I wonder if there's a way to prevent that.

00:21:51.000 Like the way to prevent that, I would say, is everybody, here's your mandate.

00:21:55.000 No one's getting out of shape anymore because we're going to have random weigh ins. 0.99

00:21:58.000 So, we're going to just show up at your fucking gym. 0.99

00:22:00.000 Just can't do it. 1.00

00:22:01.000 But could you?

00:22:02.000 Like, let's say you fight at 170.

00:22:04.000 You cannot weigh more than 180.

00:22:07.000 See, here's the thing.

00:22:08.000 Not any given day. 1.00

00:22:09.000 I'll show up at your fucking house at 7 in the morning. 1.00

00:22:11.000 Josh, get on the scale. 1.00

00:22:12.000 175.

00:22:14.000 This is not good.

00:22:14.000 You could do it as a promotion.

00:22:17.000 You can't do it as an industry within the sport.

00:22:20.000 And the reason why I'm saying that is, first off, you have all these fighters, we'll say.

00:22:26.000 They're all everywhere, okay, all over the world.

00:22:29.000 And you.

00:22:30.000 For an athletic commission, we'll say the state of California, state of Texas, they have to have that particular fighter licensed for them to say, We want to weigh you.

00:22:41.000 If they're not licensed in that state on that year, they can't.

00:22:46.000 They can sit there and go, No.

00:22:47.000 But if it got adopted by the UFC, I bet most of the organizations would adopt it.

00:22:52.000 But again, that's the UFC as a promotion.

00:22:54.000 The UFC has talked about it.

00:22:55.000 And the UFC has the money to actually do that, but it's going to cost them a lot of money.

00:23:00.000 And, you know, look at.

00:23:01.000 I understand why the promotion doesn't want to lose money just weighing it.

00:23:04.000 I think the fights are going to be better.

00:23:05.000 I think guys would be in way better condition.

00:23:06.000 Absolutely.

00:23:07.000 I think we've seen more of the same thing happening about they stopped cutting as much weight.

00:23:10.000 You could sit there and, you know, the only way an athletic commission could kind of do it, but this is bad on promotions, is an athletic commission could sit there and say, you are allowed to weigh no more than five pounds more than that weigh in weight.

00:23:24.000 Okay.

00:23:25.000 But here's your problems with it.

00:23:27.000 First off, the promotion could lose fights.

00:23:29.000 The promotion doesn't want to lose fights.

00:23:31.000 True.

00:23:32.000 And the second part is what's saying that the fighter themselves is not keeping themselves dehydrated to make that five pound, and now they're going in even more dehydrated into the fight, which could cause them more problems.

00:23:32.000 Okay.

00:23:44.000 Well, they couldn't be dehydrated through their entire camp, and that's where you institute randoms.

00:23:48.000 That's why your randoms would work if the promotion was doing it.

00:23:52.000 Yeah, but it would have to do it sport wide, it'd be almost impossible. 0.99

00:23:54.000 It would have to take a long time to figure out how to do it properly and not lose fights because there's too many guys that fuck around. 0.99

00:24:01.000 You know, there's, right? 1.00

00:24:01.000 Oh. 1.00

00:24:02.000 There's too many guys that, like, how many times did John Jones not really train?

00:24:07.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:07.000 You know, like the Gustafson fight, the first one, they said he didn't really train.

00:24:10.000 10 days.

00:24:11.000 Showed up a little bit here and there.

00:24:13.000 Didn't really train.

00:24:14.000 So if there's a guy like that, what are you going to not let him fight?

00:24:16.000 Like, what are you going to do?

00:24:18.000 Like, he's going to be 226, and you're like, no, that's too much.

00:24:21.000 You also have guys like Michael Morales right now, 170 pounders walking around like huge.

00:24:26.000 Guys like 210, 212, 205.

00:24:29.000 I mean, there's a few of those guys where I'm standing next to him, like Gregory Rodriguez.

00:24:32.000 I'm like, how?

00:24:33.000 Yeah.

00:24:34.000 How?

00:24:35.000 How were you ever 185?

00:24:36.000 How was.

00:24:38.000 How was Alex 185 pounds? 0.99

00:24:41.000 I stand next to him and go, You got to be shitting me. 1.00

00:24:43.000 Nuts. 1.00

00:24:44.000 Nuts.

00:24:45.000 It's unbelievable.

00:24:46.000 And at 185 pounds, nuclear power, but I don't think he took a shot as well.

00:24:51.000 There's no doubt about it.

00:24:51.000 It didn't.

00:24:53.000 You can go back and look at his fights.

00:24:55.000 He got hurt by shots that were not as hard as the ones he's taken at 205.

00:25:00.000 Based upon, it's that weight cut.

00:25:02.000 It's the point of diminishing returns, right?

00:25:04.000 It is.

00:25:04.000 It's like there's a place where you're just doing it too much.

00:25:07.000 And you kind of love to see freaks.

00:25:09.000 You love to see a guy like Alex weighing at 185.

00:25:12.000 You're like, good luck with that. 0.99

00:25:14.000 Good luck with his 226 pound fucking Amazon warrior that pretended to be 185 for five minutes. 1.00

00:25:21.000 For five minutes. 0.99

00:25:22.000 But you take a look at him, I'm so surprised how he can make the weight.

00:25:25.000 When you pass by him and you see how tall he is, how big he is, and you see him with the face off with Cyril Gon right now, you're like, how would this guy ever make 185?

00:25:32.000 He's 250 now.

00:25:33.000 Which is crazy.

00:25:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:25:35.000 I saw him last week and it's like, Jesus.

00:25:38.000 Dude, 250 means that's almost 70 pounds different.

00:25:42.000 That's crazy, man.

00:25:43.000 His UFC debut.

00:25:46.000 The only thing that makes me believe that we're going to see a better Alex is because he doesn't have to kill himself.

00:25:50.000 He's not going to cut it off.

00:25:51.000 But he also put on muscle.

00:25:53.000 And there's an issue with that.

00:25:53.000 Yeah.

00:25:55.000 Exactly.

00:25:56.000 Again, diminishing returns.

00:25:58.000 How much is that muscle going to do?

00:26:00.000 This is where you try to tell all fighters.

00:26:02.000 And, you know, it's Joe, when you were fighting in Taekwondo, did you care about the strong guy or did you care about the fast guy?

00:26:10.000 The difference is MMA with grappling, the difference is with weight.

00:26:14.000 Like, if you get a big, heavy guy and he gets on top of you, all your speed is gone.

00:26:19.000 Absolutely.

00:26:20.000 It's gone within the first three or four minutes.

00:26:20.000 You're right.

00:26:21.000 But the problem with being the bigger, stronger guy in the lighter weight class is you're never the faster guy.

00:26:29.000 And so you've got to be able to maul that person to be effective.

00:26:35.000 And it only lasts for a certain amount of time if you had to dehydrate yourself to that point, where speed is always there when someone has it to a point, unless they get tired.

00:26:46.000 And that speed is hard for you to.

00:26:48.000 Handle.

00:26:49.000 But there's guys that were big for the weight class and had ridiculous speed.

00:26:53.000 Like Connor McGregor is a perfect example of that. 0.99

00:26:55.000 Connor at 145 was fast as fuck. 0.98

00:26:58.000 Connor was absolutely dehydrated to the point of being a concentration camp victim. 0.99

00:27:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:03.000 He looked like death.

00:27:04.000 I mean, it was unbelievable. 1.00

00:27:05.000 However, once he got in there, he was fast as fuck. 1.00

00:27:10.000 He used to lose so much. 1.00

00:27:12.000 At 145, he was killing himself.

00:27:15.000 I remember the weigh ins, like interviewing him at weigh ins, like this is crazy.

00:27:18.000 Skeletor.

00:27:19.000 Oh, my God. 0.93

00:27:19.000 But then you see him the next day all full. 0.93

00:27:22.000 I know.

00:27:22.000 He looked good.

00:27:24.000 But he was also, what was his age back then?

00:27:26.000 26, 27.

00:27:27.000 Right, right.

00:27:28.000 You can't do that now.

00:27:29.000 No, you can't do that now.

00:27:30.000 No, it gets to a certain point in time where you have to realize you're cutting too much weight and it's actually ruining your career.

00:27:35.000 But I think the evidence has been pretty clear.

00:27:36.000 When you see guys go up in weight after killing themselves for so long, they've had success.

00:27:40.000 A lot of guys had.

00:27:41.000 Look at Max.

00:27:42.000 I was just about to bring him up.

00:27:44.000 I just had Dustin Poirier on the podcast yesterday, and we were just talking about how he's like, Look, Max, the first time he came up to 55, didn't put the weight on properly.

00:27:52.000 Second time, put it on properly.

00:27:53.000 He's like, significant difference in power, mobility, movement.

00:27:57.000 The BMF fight with Gagee?

00:27:58.000 Yeah.

00:27:59.000 Come on, man.

00:28:00.000 That guy should have never gone down to 45 again to fight Topoirier.

00:28:03.000 It's too much loss.

00:28:05.000 Yeah.

00:28:05.000 What?

00:28:06.000 Why do you want to know?

00:28:07.000 Because we had that argument about that exact thing of he would, Josh was saying, look, he should never, it was a championship fight.

00:28:16.000 He was getting a world title fight at 145.

00:28:18.000 Yeah.

00:28:19.000 Right?

00:28:19.000 And I said, look, it's a world title fight.

00:28:20.000 I understand why he's going back down.

00:28:22.000 He's going, he's making a huge mistake.

00:28:23.000 He should never take it.

00:28:24.000 He should stay at 155.

00:28:25.000 You know, work yourself into a title fight.

00:28:27.000 And I go, I understand why he's taking it.

00:28:30.000 That made him the number one contender.

00:28:32.000 He beat Justin Gaiji. 1.00

00:28:33.000 He could have fought Islam.

00:28:34.000 I understand why he took the fight at 145. 0.83

00:28:36.000 Maybe he would have favored that fight with Ilya because Ilya is a smaller guy than Islam. 1.00

00:28:42.000 Because if you think about it, Islam, he fucking smothers everybody. 1.00

00:28:45.000 Yeah, he does. 1.00

00:28:46.000 And his striking is dangerous as fuck. 0.99

00:28:47.000 Well, of course, you know. 0.99

00:28:49.000 100,000 times.

00:28:49.000 Yeah.

00:28:51.000 But it's like that guy, he's so fucking terrifying once he gets a hold of you. 0.93

00:28:54.000 Like he submits everybody. 0.96

00:28:55.000 He's a whole lot better in the standup than people give him credit for.

00:28:59.000 Oh, he is?

00:28:59.000 His standup is actually really good.

00:29:02.000 He head kicked Volkanovsky.

00:29:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:03.000 I don't care if Volkanovsky took it on 11 days' notice.

00:29:05.000 He's still head kicked Volkanovsky.

00:29:06.000 He's got a sneaky left head kick, high kick. 0.84

00:29:08.000 It's nasty. 0.96

00:29:09.000 He fucks people up standing up, and that's part of the problem is that you get accustomed to thinking about this guy's weight. 0.97

00:29:15.000 You're worried about the takedown again, and then all of a sudden, bing. 0.95

00:29:18.000 Yeah.

00:29:18.000 My point was, though, that he put the weight on properly.

00:29:21.000 He looked fantastic against Justin Gauche.

00:29:23.000 And then to go back down there to fight Ilya, I was like, it doesn't make sense.

00:29:27.000 You're the number one guy or number two guy.

00:29:29.000 You kill yourself to get back down, and then he gets knocked out, which we had never seen before.

00:29:29.000 It is.

00:29:34.000 Well, that's Roy Jones Jr., too, right?

00:29:36.000 Remember when Roy Jones Jr. went up and fought Ruiz, and then he went all the way down to 75 and got knocked out by Tarver?

00:29:41.000 Yep.

00:29:42.000 It's like, I don't think your body wants to go back down again.

00:29:45.000 You put on all that weight over like a year.

00:29:47.000 You're lifting weights.

00:29:48.000 And Max had like a ridiculous strength and conditioning program.

00:29:51.000 He put real weight on. 0.51

00:29:52.000 He looked very good at 55.

00:29:54.000 When Max fought Aldo the first time for the title, he weighed, you know, obviously weighed in at championship weight 145 the night of the fight, Joe.

00:30:04.000 Now, he was in street clothes, but they put him on a scale 178.

00:30:08.000 What?

00:30:09.000 Swear to God.

00:30:10.000 178.

00:30:10.000 Now, he was still clothes.

00:30:12.000 That's crazy.

00:30:13.000 What is he wearing?

00:30:14.000 Rocks in his pockets?

00:30:15.000 That's crazy.

00:30:16.000 Frank Shamrock with quarters in his pocket.

00:30:18.000 Right, what do you bought, Tito?

00:30:20.000 Let's just be real charitable and say his clothes weigh 10 pounds.

00:30:23.000 Exactly.

00:30:25.000 That's crazy.

00:30:26.000 You're looking at more than 20 pounds.

00:30:27.000 That's crazy.

00:30:28.000 That happens all the time.

00:30:29.000 The show that just happened in California, they know what they're doing with that, the MVP.

00:30:34.000 The one guy, I can't, you know, 27 pound difference in weight at 170 pounds came in 27, 197.

00:30:41.000 Who was it?

00:30:43.000 I want to say his name.

00:30:45.000 Was it the guys right before Saladin?

00:30:47.000 Yeah.

00:30:47.000 Parnas?

00:30:48.000 I can't think of it.

00:30:49.000 Freema?

00:30:51.000 Freema? 0.53

00:30:51.000 Starts with a Z, I want to say. 0.53

00:30:53.000 I can't think of it.

00:30:54.000 But 27 pounds.

00:30:55.000 Well, obviously, the biggest one was Rumble Johnson.

00:30:57.000 Absolutely.

00:30:58.000 Rumble Johnson was the craziest.

00:30:59.000 He would weigh 230 and make it all the way to 70.

00:31:02.000 But basically, what Morales is doing right now.

00:31:04.000 MVP event on Netflix.

00:31:05.000 Fazil.

00:31:06.000 Fazil, there you go.

00:31:06.000 Namo Fazil recorded the highest weight gain.

00:31:09.000 27.2 pounds.

00:31:12.000 Can you believe that?

00:31:12.000 That's insane.

00:31:13.000 That's insane.

00:31:15.000 That's so much.

00:31:17.000 He got into cage at 198 for a 170 pound fight.

00:31:20.000 I would love to get Morales on the scales.

00:31:23.000 Like right before he fought Sean Brady.

00:31:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:26.000 Excuse me, sir.

00:31:27.000 Sean Brady is huge.

00:31:28.000 Sean Brady is a thick human.

00:31:31.000 He's not super tall, but he's thick.

00:31:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:34.000 He is put together.

00:31:35.000 And Morales made him look like a lightweight.

00:31:38.000 Like he was in the wrong division.

00:31:39.000 Exactly.

00:31:39.000 Yeah.

00:31:40.000 I was trying to make sense of it, watching it on TV.

00:31:43.000 I thought maybe it was the camera angle.

00:31:44.000 And then they shifted.

00:31:45.000 I was like, no, he's still bigger than him when he's further away.

00:31:47.000 He's still bigger.

00:31:47.000 No, he's further away.

00:31:48.000 Exactly.

00:31:48.000 He's way bigger than him.

00:31:49.000 Yeah.

00:31:50.000 That's a crazy situation where a guy can do that.

00:31:53.000 And it's like the Pereira situation in 885 too.

00:31:56.000 When a guy can do that, how long can he do it?

00:31:59.000 That's the question.

00:32:00.000 Because you're basically killing your kidneys every time you do it.

00:32:03.000 You're just taking a little bit out of them.

00:32:05.000 That was the problem with AJ.

00:32:07.000 I used to coach and corner AJ early in his career when he first came to the UFC.

00:32:11.000 He'd make weight.

00:32:11.000 And that was his problem.

00:32:12.000 Sometimes he'd make it.

00:32:13.000 Sometimes he would.

00:32:13.000 He missed weight a lot to the point where.

00:32:15.000 Do you think that affected whatever happened?

00:32:17.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:32:18.000 God, that's fucking horrible. 1.00

00:32:20.000 That's fucking horrible. 1.00

00:32:21.000 Again, you're leaving small bits and pieces of yourself in that damn cage every time. 1.00

00:32:27.000 Even when you win. 1.00

00:32:28.000 He died.

00:32:29.000 I was like, no.

00:32:30.000 There's a true science to cutting weight.

00:32:32.000 And he just didn't have it down.

00:32:34.000 He wrestled, you know, NC2A, he wrestled Division II.

00:32:37.000 Like, he was a really good wrestler.

00:32:38.000 He knew how to make weight, but then trying to kill himself to get to 70 every single time.

00:32:43.000 Which he never had to be at.

00:32:44.000 Which, yeah, he never had to be at.

00:32:45.000 I mean, he has massive power.

00:32:45.000 He never had to be at him.

00:32:47.000 Oh, God.

00:32:48.000 He did great at heavyweights every foul.

00:32:50.000 He beat Orlovsky at heavyweights in the World Series of Fight.

00:32:52.000 That was a long time ago.

00:32:54.000 Orlovsky was still super legit.

00:32:54.000 Broke his job.

00:32:56.000 Broke Orlovsky's job.

00:32:57.000 Not that Orlovsky's not super legit.

00:32:57.000 Yeah.

00:32:59.000 Now, fucking guy wins bare knuckle heavyweight championship at like 100 years old. 1.00

00:33:03.000 Dude, you gotta love it. 1.00

00:33:04.000 I fought it smart.

00:33:06.000 Look, there's a.

00:33:06.000 Yeah.

00:33:07.000 You take a look at Andre Arlofsky, and people say whatever they want about his career's amazing.

00:33:12.000 Since UFC 28 was his first show.

00:33:15.000 It's nuts.

00:33:16.000 Okay.

00:33:17.000 Went all the way into today's day, basically.

00:33:20.000 But he changed his style.

00:33:22.000 You know, Arlofsky was a big power puncher for a long time and then was getting hit with big shots and said, you know what?

00:33:28.000 I'm gonna be a volume guy.

00:33:29.000 And he was successful with it.

00:33:31.000 Yeah.

00:33:32.000 And didn't take near as much damage.

00:33:34.000 Yeah, he fought a lot more technical, a lot slicker.

00:33:37.000 Yep.

00:33:37.000 Yeah.

00:33:38.000 I've seen a lot of good guys, too.

00:33:38.000 Didn't take big chances.

00:33:40.000 Beat Travis Brown when Travis was in his prime.

00:33:40.000 Yes.

00:33:43.000 Yep.

00:33:43.000 Oh, that fight with Travis Brown was a freaking awesome fight.

00:33:48.000 Awesome fight.

00:33:49.000 Awesome fight.

00:33:49.000 Yeah.

00:33:50.000 Look at Harry's beating Rothwell.

00:33:51.000 He tore Rothwell up.

00:33:52.000 Which is a lot of people were super surprised by that.

00:33:55.000 A lot of people thought, you know, Rothwell's a tank of a man.

00:33:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:58.000 And he's a fucking scary big puncher and he just looks hairy like a fucking bear. 1.00

00:34:03.000 He's scary. 1.00

00:34:04.000 Rothwell's close to 400 pounds.

00:34:06.000 That's crazy.

00:34:07.000 Is that real?

00:34:08.000 He's real.

00:34:08.000 Yeah.

00:34:09.000 He's really that big?

00:34:10.000 He's that big.

00:34:11.000 Unbelievable.

00:34:12.000 But meanwhile, he's the one getting busted up in this fight.

00:34:14.000 And it was because, you know, Arlowski was just fighting very clever.

00:34:19.000 Just so tough at all these years, man.

00:34:22.000 You watch this fight right now, they think that this fight gets stopped for that cut on his forehead.

00:34:26.000 That is not why.

00:34:27.000 He has a cut on his eye running up into his tear duct.

00:34:31.000 And that's why it wasn't that big of a cut.

00:34:34.000 But anytime it goes to the tear duct, Oh, right there.

00:34:37.000 There's the doctor saying, Oh, no, it's over.

00:34:38.000 Yeah, to touch on what John was saying, though, it really just comes down to how he changed his style of fighting.

00:34:44.000 He either fought you all the way in or all the way out.

00:34:46.000 He fought you in that foam booth so you couldn't get off big power shots to avoid being knocked out.

00:34:50.000 Because he went through a phase where he was getting clipped a lot and getting knocked out.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, getting hurt.

00:34:54.000 So he made that adjustment.

00:34:54.000 Yeah.

00:34:55.000 That's good on him.

00:34:56.000 And all those years in the game, never lost his enthusiasm.

00:34:59.000 No.

00:35:00.000 He's a character.

00:35:02.000 He's fighting influencers at shows.

00:35:03.000 Have you?

00:35:04.000 I draw that. 1.00

00:35:05.000 He's a fucking little kid. 1.00

00:35:07.000 That was crazy. 1.00

00:35:09.000 Imagine those fucking dumb kids. 1.00

00:35:11.000 All right, little midgets running around trying to fucking get him. 1.00

00:35:13.000 I was like, what are you guys doing? 1.00

00:35:15.000 Do you know who that is? 1.00

00:35:15.000 Are you crazy? 1.00

00:35:17.000 The best part was that the thin florister kid goes, hey, you can fight my bodyguard. 0.99

00:35:21.000 And the bodyguard's in the background going, uh uh, sure.

00:35:23.000 Yeah, let's do it.

00:35:24.000 It's like, yeah, I'll fight him.

00:35:25.000 That's a good idea.

00:35:26.000 If your bodyguard doesn't know who Orlovsky is, you need to get a new bodyguard.

00:35:32.000 He's telling him that my bodyguard will fight him. 1.00

00:35:34.000 I was like, oh, shit. 1.00

00:35:36.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:35:37.000 Did you guys watch the Rico Verhoeven-Usic fight?

00:35:39.000 Oh, yes.

00:35:40.000 I watched the ending, yeah.

00:35:41.000 I thought it was a - I don't want to say robbery because I guess apparently Usic was up on the scorecards two to one.

00:35:41.000 Oh, yes.

00:35:48.000 That's robbery.

00:35:49.000 That's the robbery.

00:35:50.000 Yeah.

00:35:50.000 That's the robbery.

00:35:51.000 If that's the case, that's a robbery.

00:35:52.000 He was up, I guess.

00:35:53.000 I thought - first off, Rico Verhoeven.

00:35:56.000 You know, we know what he's been in kickboxing, and he's been fantastic.

00:35:59.000 Greatest of all time.

00:36:00.000 Greatest of all time.

00:36:00.000 Unbelievable.

00:36:01.000 Yeah.

00:36:01.000 And you can look back on certain people, Ernesto Hoost, how great he was.

00:36:06.000 Badahari was a badass.

00:36:08.000 All of them were awesome, but Rico's accomplished more than anybody.

00:36:11.000 Absolutely.

00:36:11.000 He's been undefeated for like more than 10 years.

00:36:13.000 In kickboxing, that's nuts.

00:36:15.000 Yeah, it is.

00:36:16.000 Especially with the amount of rounds comparatively and stuff, because you can have a bad round and it can really affect your fight just like MMA.

00:36:16.000 That's nuts.

00:36:22.000 But this fight, I really thought going in, I go, look, Rico will do okay for the first couple rounds, and then it's going to start to get to him.

00:36:30.000 I was shocked by it.

00:36:31.000 He fought very clever.

00:36:33.000 And he didn't fight big.

00:36:35.000 He actually created the problems of closing that distance.

00:36:39.000 Every time he said, Look how close he got, he kept on getting into the phone with.

00:36:41.000 And he would do work.

00:36:43.000 And it was causing Usyk nothing but problems.

00:36:46.000 Also, Rico is known for his discipline and his fitness.

00:36:50.000 Like he's a guy who always has tremendous conditioning.

00:36:50.000 Yes.

00:36:53.000 And I think there's a lot of heavyweights that would be surprised at the work that this guy does and the pace that he could put on.

00:37:00.000 So, a lot of people are like, oh, he's going to get tired.

00:37:02.000 He only fights three minute rounds.

00:37:04.000 Honestly, what I was thinking, it gets past five rounds.

00:37:07.000 I'm wondering how he's going to be able to hold that pace.

00:37:09.000 The guy's such a cardio fiend, and he's always shredded. 0.99

00:37:12.000 And he's so used to combat, too, that getting in there, just fighting Usak, it's not a big deal. 0.98

00:37:18.000 That right hand right there was, I mean, beautiful. 0.94

00:37:20.000 Bro, he was winning 8 2, in my eyes.

00:37:23.000 I thought he was winning 8 2 going into the 11th round when the fight was stopped.

00:37:27.000 Now, the fight shouldn't have been stopped the way it was stopped, but also.

00:37:32.000 That was in eight seconds after the knockdown.

00:37:35.000 So, after he gets knocked down, he doesn't have his mouthpiece.

00:37:38.000 So, then they have to go over to the corner.

00:37:40.000 They rinse off his mouth.

00:37:41.000 That's a mistake, right there.

00:37:42.000 Yeah, the whole thing's a mistake.

00:37:43.000 It takes like 30 seconds.

00:37:45.000 And then the referee stops it when he's still standing, moving around.

00:37:48.000 Look, if there's one of the things that changed in boxing since I referee boxing now.

00:37:53.000 So, here it is right here.

00:37:54.000 This is the end.

00:37:55.000 We could watch it real quick.

00:37:56.000 So, this is the end.

00:37:57.000 Look at all this time.

00:37:58.000 So, he's up and he goes over.

00:38:00.000 Oh, this is a mistake right here.

00:38:01.000 He's lumbering over to his corner.

00:38:02.000 Hey, come on over.

00:38:03.000 Watch the first thing that happens.

00:38:05.000 And this is what we'll talk about.

00:38:06.000 Oh, oh, a drop.

00:38:07.000 That's on purpose.

00:38:08.000 Of course.

00:38:09.000 I'm doing that on purpose.

00:38:10.000 Of course, I would.

00:38:11.000 Any second counts.

00:38:13.000 But then look at this.

00:38:14.000 So he swarms him with some punches, but Rico's moving.

00:38:18.000 He's covering up.

00:38:19.000 I mean, what is he supposed to do?

00:38:19.000 He's moving.

00:38:21.000 What is he supposed to do?

00:38:22.000 That's a bad stoppage.

00:38:23.000 I agree with that.

00:38:24.000 So if you're going to stop it because you felt like the first knockdown was too much, why would you let him rinse the glove off and he didn't take significant damage after that?

00:38:32.000 That's a bad stoppage.

00:38:33.000 Well, and it's also the end of the round.

00:38:33.000 No.

00:38:35.000 It's the end of the round.

00:38:36.000 It's literally the end of the round.

00:38:37.000 I think he actually stops it when the round's over.

00:38:40.000 But look, as the referee, Joe, you know all of this.

00:38:43.000 And if you don't, you're not doing your job.

00:38:45.000 First off, you know he's got a full minute.

00:38:49.000 If I let this go one second, he's got a full minute to recover here.

00:38:53.000 Even if I did think he was a little bit hurt.

00:38:55.000 Now, I think that if that was a legitimate eight count and they went right back to fighting, he would have stopped him there.

00:39:00.000 Maybe.

00:39:01.000 I think he was really rocked.

00:39:02.000 When you see him go back to his corner, maybe is the key word.

00:39:04.000 See, one of the things that used to be, though, in boxing, it was always that you would, if a mouthpiece hit the ground, you had to take it to the corner.

00:39:10.000 Have it rinsed with water and have it placed back in the fighter's mouth.

00:39:14.000 Right. 0.99

00:39:14.000 Okay. 0.99

00:39:14.000 That's not the way it is anymore. 0.99

00:39:16.000 Because of MMA and the fact that we take a mouthpiece off of the ground and stuff it right back in the fighter's mouth, they have now changed to the point where they do the same thing.

00:39:26.000 And the difference is many times we'll hand the mouthpiece to the MMA fighter because they have gloveless fingers.

00:39:33.000 Right.

00:39:34.000 And they put it back in.

00:39:35.000 Sometimes we'll put it back in depending upon situations.

00:39:38.000 But in boxing now, you take it, I'll put it back in his mouth.

00:39:41.000 I'll say, is that good?

00:39:43.000 Boom, fight.

00:39:44.000 Right.

00:39:44.000 You don't.

00:39:45.000 Is that.

00:39:46.000 How does that in Egypt as well?

00:39:48.000 Do you think that's possible?

00:39:50.000 You're talking about under the unified rules of boxing now, which is North America.

00:39:55.000 Okay.

00:39:56.000 That's, you know, most of the time you go to Egypt, they're still fighting under the unified rules.

00:39:56.000 Okay.

00:40:02.000 But the refereeing is always going to be different when you get a referee from England or somewhere.

00:40:07.000 It's a little bit different.

00:40:08.000 But I wonder if the referee rules are different over there, if you're supposed to rinse off the mouthpiece before you put it back.

00:40:13.000 No, what it means is you have not advanced as a referee to understand what we do now.

00:40:19.000 Right, but what I'm saying is, do they have different rules over there?

00:40:21.000 No, this is what I'm saying.

00:40:23.000 Definitely not.

00:40:23.000 You have not advanced as a referee to understand what we do now.

00:40:28.000 Mouthpiece goes down, you pick it up, you put it right back in the box.

00:40:30.000 Yes.

00:40:30.000 Can you?

00:40:31.000 So it's like when the UFC goes to a country that doesn't have a commission, they sometimes bring Herb Dean, they'll bring referees with them.

00:40:36.000 So they know the rules to make sure that something like this doesn't happen.

00:40:39.000 That referee hasn't followed up with the rules in a big time fight.

00:40:43.000 He's not gone and advanced his training to understand this is what we do now, and this is why.

00:40:49.000 Because we don't want.

00:40:51.000 I don't want to take that time from Usyk because Usyk did his job.

00:40:55.000 He hit him with an uppercut that absolutely blasted him, puts him on the mat.

00:40:59.000 You go and he gets up.

00:41:01.000 You give him a mandatory.

00:41:02.000 Now his mouthpiece comes out.

00:41:04.000 Am I going to walk it over to a corner and have that mouthpiece washed out with water, which does what for it?

00:41:11.000 Does it disinfect the cooties? 1.00

00:41:12.000 Kills out the cooties.

00:41:13.000 Exactly. 0.98

00:41:14.000 And that's the real thing.

00:41:16.000 So it doesn't do anything.

00:41:19.000 Obviously, if there's something in the mouthpiece, we remove the thing from the mouthpiece.

00:41:23.000 Normally, it's just spitting blood if that's what's there.

00:41:26.000 Put it back in, boom, bring him back in as abruptly as you can to make it fair for Usyk, who gained an advantage in the fight.

00:41:34.000 You don't want to give the advantage to Verhoeven.

00:41:37.000 Also, his mouthpiece came out earlier in the fight as well.

00:41:39.000 It's like that's a bad mouthpiece for a guy who's a world class kickboxer, world champion kickboxer.

00:41:44.000 That thing should be so hard for you to pull out.

00:41:46.000 Yeah.

00:41:47.000 It's odd that it kept falling out of his mouth. 0.66

00:41:49.000 Rico with a boiling bite is nuts. 0.86

00:41:51.000 No.

00:41:52.000 Right?

00:41:53.000 In the heavyweight division?

00:41:54.000 It was nuts.

00:41:55.000 Do you remember Carl Parisian?

00:41:57.000 He would wear a boiling bite that wasn't boiled.

00:41:57.000 Sure.

00:41:59.000 Oh, dude.

00:42:00.000 Straight out of the packaging.

00:42:01.000 That's the way people are, though.

00:42:05.000 That's wild to me.

00:42:06.000 Boiling bites are nuts.

00:42:07.000 Well, it's also nuts.

00:42:10.000 We talk about this on the USC broadcast all the time, but I think it's nuts that you're still allowed to wear a Thai steel cup. 0.99

00:42:15.000 I think it's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:42:17.000 I think it's crazy. 0.99

00:42:18.000 I would wear it too.

00:42:19.000 Yeah, that's all I ever wore.

00:42:21.000 I can't wrap my head around how fighters don't wear them.

00:42:24.000 100%.

00:42:25.000 I agree with you 100%.

00:42:26.000 However, it should be illegal. 0.99

00:42:27.000 It's fucking crazy. 1.00

00:42:28.000 You have a piece of metal over your dick. 1.00

00:42:30.000 You have actual iron over your cock. 1.00

00:42:32.000 And if a guy kicks it with his toe, it's going to shatter. 1.00

00:42:35.000 I've always wondered the north south position. 0.95

00:42:36.000 You just start humping their head, right? 0.97

00:42:38.000 Oh, dude. 0.96

00:42:39.000 Just giving them the business.

00:42:40.000 There was one that did that.

00:42:41.000 Do you remember Namir Renovardi?

00:42:42.000 Do you remember that guy, Boss Rutan Studio? 0.99

00:42:44.000 I trained with him at Legends, and he mounted me once, and he almost made me tap by just digging his dick into my sternum. 1.00

00:42:51.000 I was fucking. 1.00

00:42:52.000 I was like, this is so rude. 0.99

00:42:53.000 He grapevines me. 0.99

00:42:54.000 And I'm like, bro, you're fucking killing me with this. 1.00

00:42:57.000 Fucking Shoddy Carter. 1.00

00:42:58.000 Shoney Carter. 1.00

00:42:59.000 Oh, Shoney Carter used to wear an oversized coat.

00:43:02.000 Also, awesome for arm bars, too.

00:43:04.000 That's how Frank Muir broke Tim Sylvia's arm.

00:43:07.000 It was awesome.

00:43:07.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:09.000 That makes sense.

00:43:09.000 That completely makes sense.

00:43:10.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:43:11.000 But I think he would have broken it if it was just his nuts.

00:43:13.000 Well, as strong as Frank could be.

00:43:15.000 As strong as he was, how good his arm was.

00:43:16.000 Was in that position, that was a crazy situation.

00:43:19.000 Oh, yes, it was.

00:43:20.000 That was crazy because I don't think the people in the audience had any idea what had happened.

00:43:25.000 If you go back to that, you know, because Herb Dean was a referee and Herb did a great job, but it was, I was actually in the corner of Tim Sylvia, you know, where I was sitting, and I had Jeremy Horn and Matt Hughes and Pat Militich are in his corner, right?

00:43:41.000 And they had this, I had the same view that they had.

00:43:43.000 And what you saw was Tim Sylvia, but you saw his elbow.

00:43:48.000 Out from that arm bar, yeah, away from the hip, and all of a sudden, Herb's stopping it, and they are going crazy.

00:43:57.000 They're going, What are you doing?

00:43:58.000 You're you know, and they're calling him every name in the book.

00:44:01.000 I go right inside the octagon and I go, Herb, what did you have?

00:44:05.000 And he goes, John, his arm broke.

00:44:08.000 I go, His arm broke, and he goes, I heard it and I saw it, yeah, you can see the vibration, and he goes, His arm broke, right?

00:44:16.000 And so, at the time, the uh.

00:44:18.000 The person who was in charge of the medical staff for the Nevada State Athletic Mission, since it was in Nevada, they're looking at Tim and Tim is like going, you know.

00:44:26.000 But you saw Tim slowly stop doing using that one arm, started going down to the side as reality started setting in and the pain started coming.

00:44:34.000 But they basically said, There's nothing wrong with his arm, right? 0.99

00:44:38.000 I swear to you, Herb's greatest response I've ever heard he goes, X ray that motherfucker, right? 0.99

00:44:45.000 Because Herb never cusses, right? 1.00

00:44:47.000 He goes, X ray that motherfucker, it's broken, right? 1.00

00:44:50.000 And sure enough, Straight across both bones. 0.99

00:44:52.000 Well, we could see it in the reflex.

00:44:54.000 Oh, yes.

00:44:54.000 And you called it out.

00:44:55.000 Yeah.

00:44:56.000 Because everybody was booing.

00:44:57.000 I'm like, you got to watch this.

00:44:58.000 Watch this.

00:44:59.000 What's that?

00:45:00.000 What's that right there?

00:45:00.000 That's broken arm.

00:45:01.000 When I saw it the first time on TV, I thought it just shifted off of the cup because sometimes you'll see that the bone will shift off.

00:45:07.000 But then it, you can tell it's so.

00:45:08.000 As soon as you saw it on the reflex, it had two distinct pops.

00:45:10.000 It had like that highlight where something bends like a piece of plastic.

00:45:14.000 It looked horrible, man.

00:45:16.000 Oh, my God.

00:45:17.000 That was all.

00:45:17.000 He's broken more arms.

00:45:19.000 Like he broke Noguerra's arm.

00:45:20.000 That spiral fracture. 1.00

00:45:21.000 That spiral fracture with the Kimura.

00:45:23.000 Yeah.

00:45:23.000 Oh.

00:45:24.000 Yeah, he's nasty, man. 0.98

00:45:24.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:45:25.000 No, that's you know, it's funny because you, if you're around, you know, Frank and you're talking, he'll always say, Oh, here it is.

00:45:30.000 Oh, god, I want to watch it again.

00:45:33.000 Boom, boom.

00:45:33.000 Oh, watch it.

00:45:35.000 Here it comes.

00:45:36.000 Right here.

00:45:37.000 Pop, pop.

00:45:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:40.000 Oh, oh, god.

00:45:44.000 And it's the forearm, too, which is like super unusual.

00:45:49.000 And everyone's wondering, Why'd you stop it?

00:45:50.000 Why'd you stop it?

00:45:51.000 Oh, dude, Herb was getting booed out of the arena there.

00:45:54.000 I remember that.

00:45:56.000 And Tim is complaining.

00:45:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:57.000 Like, come on, bro.

00:45:58.000 Yeah.

00:45:59.000 Like, you know what just happened.

00:46:00.000 He has to know what just happened.

00:46:01.000 Oh, he knows. 0.51

00:46:02.000 He's just such an animal.

00:46:03.000 He wanted to fight with a broken arm, which, you know, literally, you might have to get it amputated if you did that.

00:46:09.000 Oh.

00:46:09.000 Like, who knows what kind of damage you would have after that?

00:46:13.000 You could lose your arm.

00:46:14.000 Yeah, you literally lose your arm.

00:46:16.000 But you'll get people all the time.

00:46:18.000 I mean, some of the commentators on some of the shows, you know, oh, if he wants to fight, let him fight. 0.96

00:46:22.000 It's like, shut up. 0.98

00:46:24.000 Okay. 1.00

00:46:24.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:46:25.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:46:25.000 You've got to protect the fighter from themselves. 1.00

00:46:28.000 This is not life and death.

00:46:28.000 Exactly.

00:46:30.000 If you lose a fight, I know it sucks, but it just sucks. 0.93

00:46:33.000 And it's not life and death. 0.81

00:46:35.000 Crazy situations like Carlos Oldberg, who knocks out Yuri Prohaska with a clearly blown out knee.

00:46:35.000 It's okay.

00:46:41.000 Where you're like, if that went to the round at the end of the round, they would have probably stopped the fight.

00:46:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:45.000 Well, think about what Santos, right?

00:46:47.000 He ended up fighting John Jones with two torn out ACLs and PCLs, right?

00:46:51.000 That's John Jones.

00:46:51.000 Yeah.

00:46:52.000 Yeah.

00:46:53.000 I mean, and gave him a good fight.

00:46:54.000 He gave him a great fight.

00:46:55.000 I think that was a split decision.

00:46:57.000 Oh, it was.

00:46:57.000 Which is nuts.

00:46:58.000 Yeah.

00:46:59.000 It's nuts.

00:46:59.000 Like, he could have won.

00:47:01.000 We had, like, one more incompetent judge. 0.85

00:47:05.000 Now we're going to incompetent judges.

00:47:07.000 Now we're going to have problems. 0.78

00:47:09.000 Well, whoever was judging the Usyk fight was incompetent. 1.00

00:47:12.000 Those people were ridiculous. 0.98

00:47:13.000 The fact that they didn't have Rico ahead is crazy. 0.96

00:47:17.000 I think when you've got a guy like Usyk, who's arguably the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time, he's definitely in the conversation.

00:47:23.000 And then you have so much money involved in him being undefeated.

00:47:27.000 And whether the referee's corrupt or not, they know.

00:47:31.000 Whether the judges are corrupt or not, they know.

00:47:33.000 And if they fuck things up for everybody, there's some weird shenanigans that go on in boxing.

00:47:40.000 You remember that lady that scored a Pacquiao fight against Tim Bradley?

00:47:47.000 She was one of the ones that she scored. 0.97

00:47:50.000 A bunch of fights. 0.98

00:47:51.000 I thought you were going to talk Canelo against Triple G. There was a Canelo one that she scored bad.

00:47:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:47:57.000 She scored a bunch of fights where you're like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

00:48:01.000 And then you have to realize about betting props. 0.99

00:48:04.000 Yeah.

00:48:05.000 No, no, it's not Adelaide Bird, though.

00:48:07.000 Adelaide Bird was the Canelo versus Triple G.

00:48:07.000 No.

00:48:10.000 Yes, she's a very nice lady. 1.00

00:48:13.000 I'm going to give her props in this. 1.00

00:48:16.000 First off, she doesn't do a whole lot of boxing, but she does do a lot of MMA, does a lot of the UFC still. 1.00

00:48:22.000 That woman watches more fights. 1.00

00:48:25.000 Goes to more trainings. 1.00

00:48:27.000 She puts in all the time that you could imagine to always try to get better.

00:48:30.000 She is asking questions all the time.

00:48:32.000 Now, if you're going to sit there and say, Well, has she, you know, can she roll?

00:48:37.000 No, she can't.

00:48:38.000 But she knows what, you know, if you say, Okay, what's this?

00:48:41.000 She'll tell you.

00:48:42.000 What's this?

00:48:43.000 She knows it.

00:48:44.000 I'm sure.

00:48:45.000 She puts in that time.

00:48:46.000 But, you know, you're always going to have the, there's certain fights, no matter what, they're always going to be there.

00:48:52.000 You know, as the judge, you're always, you're trying to do, Your best. 0.86

00:48:55.000 Yeah, but there's this one day where she was involved in quite a few like ridiculous ones.

00:49:00.000 And the Tim Bradley, Manny Pacquiao one was a big one.

00:49:03.000 And then they looked at some other ones and then she stepped away from it.

00:49:06.000 The problem is, and I'm not accusing this lady or anybody of this, but I'm saying that some people have done this in the past, is that all you have to do is make it a split decision.

00:49:16.000 All you have to do is be one shitty judge that even though it was clearly for this guy, you say it's for that guy and someone's making a ton of loot.

00:49:24.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:49:25.000 Especially in this day and age with betting.

00:49:27.000 100%, man.

00:49:28.000 The UFC has a real problem.

00:49:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:30.000 There's a real problem with quite a few fights.

00:49:32.000 The FBI has looked into quite a few fights.

00:49:34.000 And there's one that they focused on in the beginning because they knew that there was some improper betting.

00:49:39.000 But now they're focused on a bunch of other ones as well.

00:49:42.000 Yeah.

00:49:44.000 I'm going to say this. 1.00

00:49:45.000 To think that you can get away with it, John, to think that you're going to be able to get away with it is just fucking stupid. 1.00

00:49:49.000 You're an idiot. 1.00

00:49:50.000 As the fighter, you're a fool. 1.00

00:49:53.000 But if you were around the judging. 1.00

00:49:56.000 especially in the UFC because it's mainly a lot of the same guys.

00:50:01.000 These guys are on text links.

00:50:04.000 They are consistently.

00:50:07.000 Joe, every UFC fight, my phone blows up.

00:50:11.000 It blows up with fighters.

00:50:13.000 It blows up from other officials asking, what about that?

00:50:16.000 What did you see?

00:50:17.000 What do you think?

00:50:18.000 And it's because, look, there is, at times, we get media and we get people talking about our fights that call robberies when there's no robbery.

00:50:29.000 It's a close fight.

00:50:31.000 Right.

00:50:31.000 And if you.

00:50:32.000 Your guy, you wanted your guy to win the game.

00:50:34.000 Yeah.

00:50:34.000 Did not win.

00:50:34.000 Oh, no.

00:50:35.000 Fucking robbery. 1.00

00:50:36.000 I pointed it out to him. 1.00

00:50:37.000 I had him sit one time.

00:50:39.000 Hey, sit where the judge sits.

00:50:40.000 Because you get one view.

00:50:42.000 You, as the commentator, you get that beautiful monitor that's in front of you.

00:50:47.000 There's times when you're watching the fight live, and there's times when you're watching the monitor.

00:50:51.000 Because the angles change.

00:50:51.000 Yes.

00:50:53.000 As the judge, now they put the monitor there for the judges, and like the UFC puts a great monitor there for them.

00:50:59.000 But.

00:51:00.000 We didn't always have that.

00:51:01.000 And you didn't always, many times you had the worst seat in the house to be able to judge a fight.

00:51:01.000 Right.

00:51:07.000 Especially if there's a post in front of you.

00:51:08.000 Yeah.

00:51:09.000 And it's so different than what people think.

00:51:11.000 And it's when you are the one that's putting your name on that scorecard, you're signing it, and you know this counts.

00:51:19.000 It's everything.

00:51:21.000 It is everything to you to be right.

00:51:24.000 You want to be right.

00:51:25.000 100%.

00:51:26.000 Many times what you're seeing, and that's why they're at the three different points.

00:51:30.000 And that's why people get into this, whoa, it was a split decision.

00:51:33.000 Split decision is not always bad.

00:51:34.000 Do you think there'd be a benefit in having five judges instead of three?

00:51:37.000 No?

00:51:37.000 No.

00:51:38.000 I've worked with it, I've done it too many times.

00:51:39.000 It doesn't change anything.

00:51:41.000 It doesn't change anything.

00:51:41.000 It doesn't?

00:51:43.000 I'm just being honest.

00:51:44.000 If it did, I would say, yeah, we should do it.

00:51:46.000 But if you have two bad judges and three good ones, why do you have two bad judges?

00:51:50.000 That's the question.

00:51:51.000 That is the question.

00:51:52.000 But when you're on the road, let's be honest.

00:51:55.000 When we're on the road, let's not even name a state, but we show up and we have to use these regular local guys.

00:52:01.000 There have been issues.

00:52:02.000 I'm not saying there haven't.

00:52:03.000 Right?

00:52:03.000 I'm not saying there are bad judges.

00:52:05.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:52:06.000 I love cops.

00:52:07.000 There's bad cops.

00:52:09.000 I love dentists.

00:52:09.000 There are.

00:52:10.000 There's some bad dentists. 0.99

00:52:11.000 There's some fucking people that do surgeries that don't have to do them. 0.99

00:52:14.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:52:15.000 It's like, it doesn't.

00:52:16.000 It's not saying that the people that do it and do a great job shouldn't be supported and praised, and they definitely should.

00:52:22.000 But it's also, it's like, it would benefit, I think, everybody to have a few more opinions.

00:52:26.000 Like, I like verdict.

00:52:27.000 Have you seen verdict MMAs?

00:52:28.000 No, no verdict MMAs.

00:52:29.000 I bumped them up a bunch of times.

00:52:31.000 I think they're accurate, like, 99% of the time.

00:52:34.000 I looked at the verdict score.

00:52:36.000 I'm like, most of the time, out of 100 fights, most of the time, I agree with the verdict score.

00:52:40.000 There's many times, though, you can take a look.

00:52:42.000 When I started teaching the command course and everything, people, oh, you've got to teach yourself.

00:52:47.000 I'm teaching people to.

00:52:49.000 Take my job.

00:52:50.000 Okay.

00:52:50.000 Right.

00:52:51.000 But in the end, I'll. 0.81

00:52:52.000 They need a lot of referees, luckily. 0.74

00:52:54.000 And they need a lot of judges.

00:52:55.000 But they also need a lot of referees for the big ones where you can't fuck this up.

00:52:59.000 Okay.

00:53:00.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:00.000 Yeah.

00:53:01.000 Like that's where.

00:53:02.000 It's important.

00:53:02.000 But it's not the job that people think it is.

00:53:02.000 It is.

00:53:06.000 It is not as easy as people think it is.

00:53:09.000 Oh, it's definitely not.

00:53:09.000 And it's definitely.

00:53:11.000 It's the hardest job next to being a fighter.

00:53:12.000 Yeah.

00:53:13.000 Yeah.

00:53:13.000 I think it's fighters number one, referees number two.

00:53:16.000 Yes and no.

00:53:17.000 And you're right as far as fighting is much more difficult.

00:53:20.000 As far as what it does to your body and what you have to put out into it and all that. 0.93

00:53:26.000 Also, the consequences of fucking it up. 0.85

00:53:26.000 Way more difficult. 0.85

00:53:28.000 Boom.

00:53:29.000 I don't have the consequences of. 1.00

00:53:30.000 If I make a bad call as a commentator, it's like, oh, Joe's an idiot. 1.00

00:53:34.000 That doesn't mean anything. 1.00

00:53:35.000 Nobody loses money. 0.99

00:53:37.000 Somebody could lose half their fucking purse, which I hate, by the way. 0.99

00:53:40.000 I don't like the whole win bonus. 0.99

00:53:42.000 Everyone's trying to win it.

00:53:44.000 Can't stand it.

00:53:46.000 You're a prize fighter. 0.99

00:53:47.000 You should get paid to compete.

00:53:49.000 This is the number.

00:53:50.000 Whether it's $200,000 or $200,000, it shouldn't be dependent upon judges' decisions. 0.99

00:53:54.000 It should be dependent upon you showed up, you fought your fucking ass off, you're trying to win. 0.99

00:53:54.000 I'm. 0.99

00:53:58.000 If you win, you're going to make more money.

00:53:59.000 No one's trying to lose, right?

00:54:01.000 So it's like, what are we doing?

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00:54:57.000 I'm okay with the win bonus, but it's got to be more skewed towards.

00:55:00.000 The show money.

00:55:01.000 So give me, like, let's just, I'm using a round number of $100,000.

00:55:03.000 It's 80, 20.

00:55:03.000 80, 20, right?

00:55:05.000 And then you give me another bonus for a finishing bonus.

00:55:07.000 If I give a knockout, you give me another 20 or 50.

00:55:09.000 Well, they're doing that now.

00:55:10.000 The UFC is doing finishes.

00:55:11.000 But I mean, yeah, exactly.

00:55:12.000 But I just don't like win bonuses. 0.96

00:55:14.000 I think you, you know, the fact that there have been bad decisions and guys have lost half their fucking purse when they need it. 0.97

00:55:20.000 And it's, you got robbed. 0.99

00:55:22.000 That's when you really got robbed.

00:55:23.000 Yes.

00:55:24.000 Not just a decision. 0.99

00:55:25.000 You got robbed financially, which is fucking crazy to me. 0.99

00:55:25.000 Absolutely. 0.99

00:55:27.000 Yeah.

00:55:28.000 I think fighters should get, I don't think they fight harder.

00:55:30.000 I don't think anybody fights harder.

00:55:32.000 They want to win.

00:55:33.000 That's it.

00:55:33.000 No one's fighting harder.

00:55:34.000 No one's fighting harder because it's just something sitting out there.

00:55:38.000 And if they are, they probably shouldn't be fighting in the UFC anyway.

00:55:41.000 Because they're not an elite.

00:55:41.000 Well, I always say.

00:55:43.000 Like world class level, if they're fighting harder for a fight.

00:55:45.000 If you're in the top 15, you're not going to fight harder because you're getting paid more.

00:55:49.000 You've worked your way there to get there.

00:55:51.000 Your pride is too involved.

00:55:52.000 Your ego's involved.

00:55:53.000 You want to be. 0.99

00:55:53.000 You're too fucking good. 0.99

00:55:54.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:55:54.000 You want to show everyone you're the best. 0.97

00:55:55.000 I've always said, look, if you ask a fighter before the fight, hey, how much are you going to win for this?

00:56:00.000 If they're going to get a 40 40 or they're going to get a 50 50, they're going to say 100,000.

00:56:04.000 They've already mentally spent that money.

00:56:06.000 And trust me, it's always.

00:56:07.000 It's true.

00:56:08.000 They've got that win bonus in there.

00:56:10.000 It's true.

00:56:11.000 It's kind of impulsive.

00:56:12.000 Yeah, it's.

00:56:13.000 Fighters aren't the best at saving cash.

00:56:15.000 You know, so, yeah.

00:56:15.000 I know.

00:56:17.000 It's, but.

00:56:18.000 You take a look, you know, when you see.

00:56:19.000 You know, what they're good at saving money, though, is Strickland.

00:56:22.000 You would think he'd be the most reckless guy.

00:56:24.000 No.

00:56:24.000 Very smart.

00:56:25.000 Very smart with his money.

00:56:26.000 Yeah.

00:56:27.000 Most of these guys are buying jeans and shirts and glasses. 1.00

00:56:31.000 This dude's buying Wranglers and fucking. 1.00

00:56:31.000 No, no, they're buying. 1.00

00:56:33.000 He wears the same thing every day. 1.00

00:56:34.000 White beater take tops and that same shit. 1.00

00:56:36.000 He doesn't care. 1.00

00:56:37.000 But he saves his money, man.

00:56:38.000 He's got a lot of money saved up.

00:56:41.000 Learning how to be frugal is very important, especially if you're an athlete.

00:56:44.000 Any type of athlete.

00:56:45.000 Especially if you're an athlete like Strickland who still rides a motorcycle. 0.97

00:56:48.000 That's psychopath.

00:56:49.000 I still ride a motorcycle.

00:56:50.000 Do you still?

00:56:50.000 That's wild.

00:56:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:51.000 You didn't learn anything from Frank Meir when he broke his femur?

00:56:54.000 Like, I'm surprised fighters.

00:56:56.000 Frank Meir breaking his femur is what kept me from getting a motorcycle license.

00:56:58.000 Yeah.

00:56:59.000 That was the last one.

00:57:00.000 Two friends crashed.

00:57:00.000 Yeah.

00:57:00.000 Really?

00:57:02.000 One friend wiped out and fucked up his shoulder. 0.99

00:57:04.000 And then Frank Meir got T boned. 0.98

00:57:05.000 And I was like, I'm out.

00:57:06.000 It all comes down to the old saying there's two types of motorcycle riders ones that have been down and ones that are going down.

00:57:12.000 Yeah.

00:57:12.000 And that's just the truth.

00:57:13.000 That's the problem.

00:57:14.000 It's like, I felt like I'm hurting myself so many days a week just doing jujitsu.

00:57:18.000 Like, doing that on top of that, it's like, I don't want to risk.

00:57:21.000 No.

00:57:22.000 Yeah.

00:57:22.000 Especially if you haven't been doing it.

00:57:24.000 Because there's ways to ride.

00:57:26.000 And you don't ride.

00:57:29.000 I can watch people on the road and I go, that dude does not know how to ride.

00:57:32.000 That dude.

00:57:32.000 And it's like, they're the ones behind.

00:57:34.000 That's what's scary. 0.99

00:57:35.000 You get a license, figure out how to ride it, buy a bike, and you fucking. 0.98

00:57:39.000 You know, it's like you could go to a car dealership right now and pick up a Corvette ZR1. 0.99

00:57:44.000 You got a 1,000 horsepower car.

00:57:46.000 And like, who knows if you know how to really drive that car?

00:57:51.000 That's a fighter jet on wheels. 0.99

00:57:53.000 That's fucking insane. 0.99

00:57:54.000 You just give it to somebody. 0.99

00:57:55.000 But it's awesome.

00:57:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:57.000 Your parents are rich, so you have a fucking fighter jet on wheels. 1.00

00:58:00.000 Like, this is nuts. 1.00

00:58:00.000 But you know what you're talking about, Sean Strickland, with how many cars do you need? 1.00

00:58:04.000 You know, I tell fighters all the time, how many cars do you need?

00:58:07.000 You know, dude, I've had arguments with Rampage because Rampage got 8 million cars. 0.99

00:58:12.000 And I go, dude, how many cars can you put your ass in at one time? 0.98

00:58:15.000 And it's like, you're blowing through money that you can't get back. 0.99

00:58:15.000 Right. 0.99

00:58:19.000 You can't get back.

00:58:20.000 You know, and it's like, you try to build.

00:58:21.000 I've talked about cars.

00:58:23.000 It's depending on what kind of cars you have.

00:58:24.000 Some cars are expensive.

00:58:25.000 Oh, if you're going to do an investment, that's fine. 0.99

00:58:27.000 Muscle cars, shit like that. 0.99

00:58:28.000 They're always worth money. 0.99

00:58:29.000 I think if you're a fighter, you need to take a page out of Forrest Griffin's book, right?

00:58:32.000 With the Scion that he won for the Ultimate Fighter.

00:58:35.000 He drove that thing into the ground.

00:58:38.000 Door handles were off.

00:58:39.000 He had to roll the window down to open the door from the outside.

00:58:42.000 He's such a character.

00:58:43.000 You know, but I mean, that's how you have to live.

00:58:45.000 If you're going to be a professional athlete, a professional fighter, that's how you have to live, especially early in your career.

00:58:49.000 You don't know how long it's going to last.

00:58:51.000 Yeah, also, there's something to be said for the comforts.

00:58:54.000 Nice things and luxuries kind of slowing you down a little bit.

00:58:58.000 Not everybody.

00:58:59.000 Doesn't seem to do it to Armin Sarukian.

00:59:01.000 No. 1.00

00:59:02.000 That fucking dude, he breaks the whole rule book. 1.00

00:59:06.000 Rich kid fights like a demon, built like a Greek god. 1.00

00:59:09.000 He is such a stud, man.

00:59:11.000 Constantly competing in wrestling, doing everything.

00:59:14.000 He's wrestling this weekend here at Roth Wrestling in Arlington.

00:59:17.000 Animal.

00:59:18.000 Yeah.

00:59:19.000 When I saw him last week, I said, just keep doing what you're doing, dude.

00:59:21.000 He's killing it.

00:59:22.000 Just keep doing what you're doing.

00:59:23.000 I think the best thing that could have happened to him is not getting a title fight.

00:59:25.000 That guy's built up.

00:59:27.000 Yeah.

00:59:27.000 No.

00:59:28.000 I mean, he's capitalized on the bad situation that he put himself in, but it was also the headbutt with Dan Hooker.

00:59:33.000 Absolutely. 0.99

00:59:33.000 That was fucking crazy. 0.99

00:59:34.000 Well, because as a promoter, right, you could have cost me all this money if he gets cut. 0.99

00:59:39.000 Yeah.

00:59:39.000 If he gets cut, they pull the fight.

00:59:41.000 That's right.

00:59:41.000 Oh, my God.

00:59:42.000 Can you imagine? 0.99

00:59:43.000 Come on, knucklehead. 1.00

00:59:44.000 Yeah, stop. 0.97

00:59:46.000 But I love watching the fight.

00:59:47.000 What he's been doing with RAF, what he's been doing with his Nina drama stuff and all that stuff.

00:59:52.000 Hey, keep going.

00:59:53.000 Keep going, man.

00:59:54.000 People are talking about you.

00:59:55.000 Very smart.

00:59:56.000 And he is the most interesting contender for Ilya Tapore.

00:59:58.000 Absolutely.

00:59:59.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:00.000 100%.

01:00:00.000 Other than Justin, which is going to be wild.

01:00:02.000 But I think him, the skills that he has, the wrestling that he has, and the size, he's a lot bigger than Ilya.

01:00:10.000 You know, I asked DC and Dustin both yesterday on my show.

01:00:15.000 Why do you think people were overlooking Justin?

01:00:15.000 I want to.

01:00:20.000 That's a good question.

01:00:21.000 I mean, when I look at Gage, I'm like, he's got all the tools and the weapons.

01:00:25.000 Ilya Taporia is heavy on the lead leg.

01:00:27.000 Justin Gage, he's got a heavy leg kick.

01:00:29.000 He's got a great uppercut.

01:00:30.000 He's fighting the shorter fighter in Ilya Taporia.

01:00:32.000 He's a bigger guy.

01:00:33.000 He's a way bigger guy.

01:00:34.000 He's not making 145 ever.

01:00:36.000 No.

01:00:37.000 He's a much bigger guy.

01:00:38.000 He's a really good wrestler and he's a nasty striker. 1.00

01:00:40.000 And he's also kind of a fucking savage. 0.99

01:00:44.000 No, he's not kind of. 0.99

01:00:45.000 Yeah, I mean, like a real savage, not like pretending.

01:00:48.000 Like when he fought Michael Johnson.

01:00:50.000 In his UFC debut, he just threw himself at Michael Johnson.

01:00:54.000 And he did the same thing with Patty Pimblett.

01:00:56.000 The Patty Pimblett fight, he could have fought that fight a lot cleaner. 1.00

01:00:59.000 And he just said, fuck you. 1.00

01:01:00.000 I'm just going to walk you down and just blast you every chance I get and break you up. 1.00

01:01:05.000 And that's what he did. 1.00

01:01:06.000 And he's a fucking scary dude, man. 1.00

01:01:08.000 Justin's a scary dude. 1.00

01:01:09.000 When he's on, and this is the last dance, right?

01:01:12.000 So you know that he's going to be hyper focused for this fight.

01:01:15.000 I just can't see why people are overlooking him.

01:01:17.000 Like they just look at him and they're like, oh, he doesn't have a chance.

01:01:19.000 He's going to get knocked out.

01:01:20.000 I think they're taking away his ult.

01:01:21.000 Because Ilya is so good.

01:01:22.000 Because Ilya has done it to.

01:01:25.000 All these guys that are also really good.

01:01:28.000 He's got three great KOs in a row.

01:01:32.000 Three in a row. 0.99

01:01:33.000 Max Holloway, Alexander Volkanovsky, and fucking DuBronx, fucking Charles Oliveira. 1.00

01:01:38.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:01:40.000 Three KOs.

01:01:41.000 I don't hold it against him, but also, is it kind of somewhere, is there an asterisk next to it a little bit because Volkanovsky coming off the head kick knockout loss?

01:01:48.000 Max Holloway cutting from 55 to 45 after putting all the weight on, then getting knocked out.

01:01:54.000 The only one I would say no is Charles because he goes up.

01:01:57.000 Fights Charles.

01:01:57.000 Charles, you know.

01:01:59.000 Charles, no.

01:02:00.000 Max Holloway, yes, because he cut the weight butt.

01:02:03.000 That was his decision.

01:02:03.000 That's right.

01:02:04.000 And no one should have let Volkanowski take that fight.

01:02:07.000 You got head kicked four months ago into a coma. 0.99

01:02:09.000 There's no fucking chance you should be taking a fight with the scariest puncher in the division. 0.99

01:02:13.000 Is that a coach's corner family decision? 0.99

01:02:15.000 It's him. 0.97

01:02:16.000 He's an animal. 1.00

01:02:17.000 He's a fucking animal. 1.00

01:02:17.000 He is an animal. 1.00

01:02:18.000 He thinks he could do it.

01:02:19.000 Yeah, but see, that's when you have to have the people.

01:02:23.000 Maybe in your corner, in your family, are saying, hey.

01:02:23.000 Yes.

01:02:25.000 I think it's honestly in your family.

01:02:27.000 I think you need someone who loves you.

01:02:31.000 Someone who is just absolutely, totally honest saying, you can't do this this fast.

01:02:36.000 I'm not saying you can't do it, but you have to do these things to be able to make it to where you have an ability to take a shot like you used to because it's diminished at this moment.

01:02:48.000 Not just that.

01:02:49.000 You have to take into consideration that he gets knocked out and then he goes right into camp.

01:02:53.000 Okay?

01:02:53.000 So you're not going to rest your brain.

01:02:55.000 No.

01:02:55.000 You're just not.

01:02:56.000 Even if you're just wrestling, you're not resting your mind.

01:02:59.000 You can't.

01:03:00.000 Anytime your body temperature rises, right?

01:03:03.000 You're damaging your brain.

01:03:04.000 Right.

01:03:04.000 Especially if you haven't let it recover yet.

01:03:06.000 And there's no way he let it recover.

01:03:07.000 I mean, he got shinned.

01:03:09.000 Shinned to the dome by one of the biggest guys that ever fought at 55. 1.00

01:03:14.000 Islam's huge for 55. 1.00

01:03:16.000 Six foot tall. 1.00

01:03:17.000 And he fucking takes the fight on 11 days' notice with no camp and he's eating barbecue and fucking drinking Foster's. 1.00

01:03:24.000 I see that. 1.00

01:03:27.000 But like, that's just his mentality. 0.99

01:03:30.000 He's a fucking all time great. 0.99

01:03:32.000 Oh, no doubt about it. 0.99

01:03:33.000 He's an all time great.

01:03:34.000 And, you know, when you go back and look at his fights with Max, like he was the first guy to figure out Max.

01:03:39.000 Yeah.

01:03:39.000 You know, and then you look at what he did cleaning out the division.

01:03:43.000 I mean, my God, I would have loved to have seen a fair shake. 0.91

01:03:45.000 I would have loved to see, I would have never advised him to take that fight with Islam on 11 days' notice. 0.99

01:03:50.000 I don't care what the fucking UFC says. 1.00

01:03:52.000 Go, John Jones. 0.99

01:03:52.000 No. 0.99

01:03:54.000 What does John Jones do?

01:03:55.000 John Jones had an opportunity to fight Chael Sonnen with very little notice.

01:03:58.000 That's right.

01:03:59.000 He was already in shape.

01:03:59.000 Dan Henderson fight.

01:04:00.000 Nope, won't fight him.

01:04:02.000 Yeah.

01:04:02.000 Not going to fight him unless I have a full camp preparing just for him.

01:04:05.000 I'm not giving anybody any fucking chances. 0.99

01:04:07.000 Period. 0.99

01:04:08.000 See ya.

01:04:09.000 Bye.

01:04:09.000 I'm the champ.

01:04:10.000 And if Volkanovsky had that mindset, he would have never fought in Islam unless he went through a full camp again because he almost beat him the first time.

01:04:18.000 It was a really close fight the first time.

01:04:20.000 The second fight he comes in, he's a little soft.

01:04:21.000 He's not in shape.

01:04:23.000 His mind's not right. 1.00

01:04:24.000 It's also the difference in the weight cut for Islam. 1.00

01:04:26.000 Yes. 0.98

01:04:27.000 Islam was on 30 some hours compared to. 1.00

01:04:30.000 Right. 1.00

01:04:31.000 He's on Australia time the first time.

01:04:33.000 The second time, he's like fully rehydrated.

01:04:35.000 Much more time to recover.

01:04:37.000 Much more dangerous.

01:04:38.000 I think it was more of the expectation that Volk thought.

01:04:40.000 I'll just do the same thing I did in the first fight.

01:04:42.000 Of course, because he's an animal.

01:04:44.000 That's where you need your brother.

01:04:45.000 You need someone to go, dude, I love you. 0.99

01:04:48.000 You're an animal.

01:04:49.000 You're one of the greatest of all time.

01:04:50.000 But the brain is the brain.

01:04:52.000 Like, there's just certain, you don't want to fight with a broken hand, right?

01:04:55.000 Okay.

01:04:55.000 Just because you can't see it doesn't mean your head's not damaged.

01:04:59.000 Your head's damaged.

01:05:00.000 That's the difference, though, is exactly what you're saying the brain doesn't hurt.

01:05:04.000 Right.

01:05:04.000 It doesn't have nerve endings.

01:05:06.000 And so you can't sit there and say, oh, man, I've got this problem.

01:05:09.000 Until.

01:05:10.000 You end up concussed until now all of a sudden the headaches are occurring and the bright lights start to bother you and all these things start to add up and you're starting to get mad about things that you can't understand.

01:05:20.000 Why am I getting mad right now?

01:05:22.000 Those are the telltale signs of, hey, I need to step away for a while.

01:05:26.000 Do you remember when Travis Luter fought?

01:05:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:31.000 Who was it?

01:05:32.000 Eastman.

01:05:33.000 Marvin Eastman.

01:05:34.000 Marvin Eastman.

01:05:34.000 And he caught Marvin Eastman with a punch.

01:05:36.000 It was just a regular punch.

01:05:37.000 Just nothing.

01:05:38.000 Just clipped it.

01:05:38.000 Eastman.

01:05:39.000 A little bit.

01:05:40.000 And then we found out later, oh, he got KO'd really bad, I think by Tito in training.

01:05:45.000 Yep.

01:05:46.000 And it's like, that's it.

01:05:47.000 He'd been KO'd twice.

01:05:49.000 Ooh.

01:05:50.000 Twice in training.

01:05:51.000 Oh, God. 0.97

01:05:52.000 You know, these guys are crazy. 0.93

01:05:54.000 You look and you go, and that's why he went out the way he did. 0.94

01:05:56.000 100%.

01:05:57.000 Because it was weird.

01:05:58.000 Off of something he never would have been hurt by.

01:06:00.000 It was weird.

01:06:01.000 Yeah.

01:06:01.000 It was weird.

01:06:02.000 It was like a straight left.

01:06:03.000 They caught him at the end of the punch.

01:06:04.000 Yeah, end of the punch.

01:06:05.000 Hardly moved him.

01:06:06.000 Hardly moved him.

01:06:07.000 Just fell back.

01:06:08.000 Yeah, because his brain was damaged.

01:06:09.000 You've got to give your time a full time of recovery 45 days.

01:06:13.000 100%.

01:06:13.000 Up to six months, eating more fats, more avocados.

01:06:16.000 Things like that to help your brain recover.

01:06:17.000 When Juan Manuel Marquez knocked out Pacquiao, Freddie Roach said, You're not doing anything for a year.

01:06:23.000 That's it.

01:06:24.000 One year.

01:06:25.000 And he got his chin back.

01:06:26.000 He took that year off and he came back, actually recovered.

01:06:29.000 But Freddie, being a longtime boxer himself and being around the game and seeing guys getting knocked out and seeing guys jumping back in too quick, he knew.

01:06:37.000 Freddie being one himself.

01:06:38.000 Yes.

01:06:39.000 Look, people don't realize Freddie was actually a good boxer.

01:06:44.000 He had a good amateur record.

01:06:46.000 He was doing well in the pros.

01:06:47.000 Do you remember who his trainer was?

01:06:50.000 His trainer was Eddie Futch.

01:06:52.000 Eddie Futch, who was the second trainer for Joe Frazier after Yance Durham died.

01:06:58.000 And Joe Frazier, he was there for the Thrilla in Manila with Ali and stuff like that.

01:07:02.000 Yeah, and Eddie Futch told Freddie Roach, son, you're taking too many shots.

01:07:08.000 You're getting hit with too many good ones.

01:07:09.000 You're not responding the same way.

01:07:11.000 You're done.

01:07:12.000 You got to stop.

01:07:13.000 And Freddie Roach got rid of Eddie Futch and continued to fight as a professional and just kept getting knocked out.

01:07:20.000 And that was the end of his career.

01:07:21.000 And then he became the trainer.

01:07:23.000 And, you know, you can take a look at a lot of the issues that he has.

01:07:26.000 But as much as you're looking at, you know, you're looking at that with Freddie.

01:07:32.000 Take a look at his brother Pepper, who took a lot less, is worse than Freddie.

01:07:36.000 I mean, Pepper's gone now, but I mean, headshots and trauma to the brain, especially when you don't give it the opportunity to rest and heal, it will absolutely take and burn your career.

01:07:51.000 It'll burn it.

01:07:52.000 No doubt.

01:07:53.000 And there's no way to really tell.

01:07:55.000 There's so many guys that are damaged, and we don't know because you meet them backstage, like, hey, how are you doing?

01:08:00.000 Everything's great.

01:08:01.000 But meanwhile, it's not great.

01:08:02.000 These guys are struggling.

01:08:03.000 They don't remember what you just said.

01:08:05.000 Exactly.

01:08:06.000 And then they're talking to people that repeat things over and over and over again.

01:08:09.000 And you can watch, you know, I hate to say it.

01:08:12.000 There was a fighter who fought in the UFC, fought in bare knuckle boxing now.

01:08:16.000 He's now training guys.

01:08:18.000 And it's Joey Beltran.

01:08:20.000 Okay.

01:08:21.000 No, I know.

01:08:21.000 Had a decent career.

01:08:22.000 Heavy puncher, took a lot of damage.

01:08:25.000 And I'm just watching Joey Beltran walk off of stairs and having to go one step at a time with each foot. 0.99

01:08:33.000 And you look and you go, damn. 0.99

01:08:35.000 You know, and you know, hey, he's been altered. 0.99

01:08:38.000 He's a great guy, but it's like, that's what all of this does in the end.

01:08:43.000 No doubt.

01:08:44.000 You've got to understand that you, you know, I always, I try to tell fighters all the time, look, you're a Ferrari, you know, and you want to be a Lamborghini, you're a Lamborghini.

01:08:53.000 But first off, it's like, you know, the whole John Jones thing is, you know, be careful of what you put in its gas tank, okay?

01:08:59.000 Same with, you know, other guys.

01:09:01.000 You know, I don't mean to pick out on John, but, you know, he's told the story of what he was doing.

01:09:06.000 And so, Be careful what you put in the gas tank and realize you can only crash that car so many times before it's a piece of junk. 0.64

01:09:14.000 Right.

01:09:15.000 And it's hard to get that through that this is not going to last forever and I'm not going to be the same forever.

01:09:21.000 Yeah.

01:09:21.000 They just don't see it until all of a sudden it's there.

01:09:23.000 Well, that's why it's a real bummer when you see coaches that you know love the fighters and they haven't stepped in.

01:09:28.000 They haven't done anything and they're keeping training these guys because they'll lose them.

01:09:33.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:35.000 And that's what's horrible.

01:09:36.000 It's horrible that you, you know, you have to, there has to be the kind of relationship where you.

01:09:41.000 Get to a fork in the road and you go, This is what this is.

01:09:44.000 Like, it doesn't mean that your life is over.

01:09:44.000 Yeah.

01:09:46.000 No, it's the start of your next life.

01:09:47.000 Yeah.

01:09:48.000 It's just you can't identify yourself. 0.94

01:09:49.000 Well, Josh, you could speak to this because, you know, you fought at the highest level for a long fucking time and you stepped away healthy. 0.95

01:09:57.000 Yeah. 0.89

01:09:57.000 And I did, I had this conversation with Dustin yesterday. 0.89

01:09:59.000 I just said, Hey, like, I feel like you could still do it.

01:10:01.000 You're right there.

01:10:02.000 Like, you're one fight away from fighting for another title again.

01:10:05.000 And he's like, It was just the time.

01:10:07.000 And I can, I completely respect that.

01:10:09.000 Yeah.

01:10:09.000 I said, Because he's having time now with his two kids, his wife, he's enjoying his moment.

01:10:14.000 He just got done lifting.

01:10:15.000 He was looking swole.

01:10:16.000 And I was like, it's good to see you. 1.00

01:10:19.000 He came on the show.

01:10:20.000 He was all sweaty a little bit.

01:10:21.000 He's enjoying this next chapter of his life. 0.99

01:10:24.000 I like when guys go out like Khabib.

01:10:26.000 They just say, Absolutely.

01:10:28.000 They offer him a bunch of money.

01:10:29.000 He's like, Nope.

01:10:29.000 Yep.

01:10:30.000 Good.

01:10:30.000 Did it.

01:10:31.000 Bye.

01:10:31.000 Done.

01:10:32.000 And I hate when people try to rag him on it.

01:10:34.000 It drives me crazy.

01:10:35.000 They sit there and go, Oh, yeah, but you could have done this.

01:10:38.000 You could have done that. 1.00

01:10:39.000 Fools. 1.00

01:10:40.000 He gives zero thoughts. 1.00

01:10:41.000 It doesn't matter.

01:10:42.000 He doesn't care.

01:10:43.000 He doesn't look at what he did.

01:10:45.000 That's all you need to know.

01:10:47.000 He dominated people that nobody dominated.

01:10:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:10:50.000 And he did it in a crazy way.

01:10:52.000 Speaking of Barboza, I remember that fight where Barboza had that thousand yard stare.

01:10:56.000 So do I. In the first round, he was like, oh my God, this is never going to go my way.

01:11:01.000 It's not.

01:11:01.000 It wasn't gonna.

01:11:03.000 Hey.

01:11:03.000 I actually looked something up the other day.

01:11:05.000 Habib is the only guy who's never bled inside the UFC octagon.

01:11:09.000 That's crazy.

01:11:09.000 He's the only fighter to never bleed inside the octagon.

01:11:12.000 That's crazy.

01:11:13.000 What have I told you?

01:11:13.000 That's wild.

01:11:14.000 He's the most dominant fighter inside the Octagon.

01:11:16.000 Look at John Jones being considered the greatest.

01:11:19.000 John Jones is the greatest as far as you're gonna say who's done it better as far as all the championship fights and all of that stuff.

01:11:27.000 John Jones is the guy.

01:11:28.000 Right.

01:11:29.000 The most dominant fighter I ever stepped into that cage with.

01:11:33.000 Was Habib.

01:11:34.000 Look at this.

01:11:34.000 Habib never visibly bled, was severely bruised, or was knocked down during his professional MMA career.

01:11:39.000 Who's the only person you ever saw hurt him?

01:11:42.000 Nope.

01:11:42.000 Connor.

01:11:42.000 No.

01:11:43.000 No.

01:11:43.000 Well, Glazen Tebow hurt him.

01:11:44.000 You could say Michael Johnson.

01:11:46.000 Michael Johnson.

01:11:47.000 Michael Johnson had one where he gave a little bit of a laugh.

01:11:50.000 I was doing that fight.

01:11:51.000 That's right.

01:11:52.000 And I was like, oh.

01:11:53.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:11:54.000 Michael Johnson, Connor. 0.99

01:11:55.000 He sucked it right back up. 1.00

01:11:56.000 I said, I go, Habib. 0.99

01:11:57.000 He's like, brother, come on.

01:11:57.000 I go, you hurt?

01:11:58.000 You know I'm not hurt.

01:12:03.000 It was the same.

01:12:04.000 You talked about Michael Johnson against Gaichi.

01:12:07.000 You know, and after that fight, because I did that fight and I told Justin, hey, congratulations, that was a great performance.

01:12:12.000 You got hurt, you went through it.

01:12:13.000 He goes, I never got hurt.

01:12:14.000 I go, go watch the video.

01:12:16.000 I never got hurt.

01:12:17.000 I was like, I never got hurt.

01:12:19.000 Oh, yeah, you got hurt.

01:12:20.000 Those guys went to war.

01:12:21.000 Oh, man.

01:12:22.000 The crazy thing was when Khabib was on top of Michael Johnson and he was saying, Come on, brother, you know I need a deserved title shot.

01:12:27.000 He was like, I don't want to do this to you.

01:12:30.000 I don't want to.

01:12:31.000 And then when he almost got him in the camorra, I was like, Please tap.

01:12:34.000 Oh, so you're saying, Please tap?

01:12:36.000 What do you think I'm saying?

01:12:36.000 Yeah.

01:12:37.000 It was so.

01:12:38.000 I think the only reason why I didn't break is Khabib was probably being kind.

01:12:42.000 Yeah.

01:12:42.000 Like he's talking to him.

01:12:43.000 The whole time.

01:12:43.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:44.000 The entire fight.

01:12:45.000 You have to give up.

01:12:46.000 He's saying you have to give up.

01:12:47.000 Come on, bro.

01:12:48.000 You know, I need to fight for the title.

01:12:52.000 It's my destiny.

01:12:53.000 I have to fight for the title.

01:12:54.000 Yeah, I need to fight for the title.

01:12:55.000 I deserve this.

01:12:55.000 You know this.

01:12:56.000 You agree? 1.00

01:12:57.000 He's saying this while he's beating his ass. 1.00

01:12:57.000 He's like, you agree? 1.00

01:13:00.000 Michael Johnson's like, huh? 1.00

01:13:02.000 I mean, he was just a motherfucker, dude. 1.00

01:13:04.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:13:05.000 So everybody agrees.

01:13:05.000 Everybody agrees.

01:13:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:13:07.000 As he's beating his ass, he's saying, see, everybody agrees. 0.99

01:13:10.000 Well, how about when he was on top of Connor and he's Say, let's talk now. 1.00

01:13:13.000 Oh, yeah, he's punching me in the face.

01:13:14.000 Come on, let's talk now.

01:13:15.000 Let's talk now.

01:13:16.000 I loved it. 0.97

01:13:17.000 He was a monster, dude.

01:13:18.000 Khabib was, he was just so relentless. 0.94

01:13:20.000 But it's everything, it's everything to do with his lifestyle.

01:13:25.000 And this is where you get into you know, you've seen it too many times champions, and there's been great champions.

01:13:31.000 But when you become the champion, everything in your life changes.

01:13:35.000 The things that come your way change, you know, you get offered things that you didn't get offered in the same way before, you get all these opportunities, and all of a sudden, and Instead of going to the gym, you're spending the day on a plane going to a location to do something.

01:13:49.000 Sometimes it's for the promotion that you're working for.

01:13:52.000 Sometimes it's for the UFC or whatever promotion there is.

01:13:55.000 And because they're asking you.

01:13:57.000 So you're missing that day of training.

01:13:58.000 And then you're getting back on the plane, you're coming back the next day.

01:14:00.000 And that's another day that you're missing.

01:14:02.000 He never missed training.

01:14:04.000 He never changed his lifestyle.

01:14:06.000 He did everything the same.

01:14:09.000 And that's why he had the results he got.

01:14:10.000 Well, for a super successful guy, he's still so humble.

01:14:14.000 He's so like, Normal to talk to.

01:14:17.000 He's so balanced and it's that discipline that he has.

01:14:21.000 He's disciplined.

01:14:22.000 His religious beliefs.

01:14:23.000 He's just so rock solid.

01:14:26.000 The thing about him is that he tries to make sure he puts the guys that had helped get him there, tries to help them get elevated as well.

01:14:33.000 And that's kind of what I'm trying to say is that how you've done with your guys, with your group of comics and friends, you guys all lift each other up.

01:14:42.000 He does the same thing with the group of friends that he has.

01:14:44.000 So not just myself and DC and.

01:14:47.000 You know, Islam and those guys. 0.99

01:14:48.000 I mean, like when they go to travel for events, he put, you know, he takes care of the house.

01:14:52.000 He makes sure that it's all organized, make sure that there's enough room for everyone.

01:14:55.000 You know, obviously all the guys, other guys chip in, but it's like he's the one that's kind of organizing everything.

01:14:55.000 There's food.

01:14:59.000 He's the leader of that team.

01:15:01.000 And I'd love seeing somebody that puts that much effort into guys that helped get him there as well.

01:15:05.000 Yeah, no, he's a real leader.

01:15:07.000 He's a real leader.

01:15:08.000 And now that he's coaching, I mean, you imagine you're a kid and you need motivation.

01:15:12.000 You're literally being coached by one of the greatest combat sports athletes to ever walk on God's earth.

01:15:18.000 And one that did it right the entire time.

01:15:21.000 The entire time.

01:15:22.000 And is all about discipline and hard work.

01:15:25.000 Like, you couldn't pick a better camp, especially if you're a grappling based guy.

01:15:30.000 Send them to Dagestan two, three years ago.

01:15:32.000 That's the greatest meme of all time. 0.99

01:15:35.000 I think what separates, you know, Islam and Habib and that whole group is that there's never a moment where they're not training. 0.99

01:15:41.000 Like I was in Chicago at one of the events for Bellator. 0.85

01:15:44.000 We were there and I was headed down to the bar after the event.

01:15:48.000 They were headed to the gym, passing me in the elevator.

01:15:50.000 I said, come up and talk to me.

01:15:51.000 So I was up there for an hour just chatting with them while they're riding bikes, you know, lifting weights, getting their workout in, and everyone else is down at the bar drinking.

01:15:58.000 You know, and so it doesn't matter.

01:15:58.000 Wow.

01:16:00.000 They don't even look at it.

01:16:01.000 They don't feel Think about it, they just go right to the gym, they get their sweat on, they're up there for two hours.

01:16:06.000 It's not like this intensity of 25 minutes.

01:16:08.000 Yeah, right.

01:16:09.000 They're just working.

01:16:09.000 Yeah, and then.

01:16:10.000 They're never letting themselves get out of shit. 0.99

01:16:12.000 And then you see them in the morning, right? 1.00

01:16:12.000 No, that's it. 1.00

01:16:13.000 When they were living it, when they were training out of AK in the mornings, you'd see them at the track in the mornings.

01:16:18.000 They would just jog, but then there were little stations where you do sit ups and push ups.

01:16:21.000 They would do those, and they would do it for two, three miles.

01:16:24.000 And they'd come to the gym at noon and they'd do their workouts, sometimes hard, sometimes not.

01:16:27.000 But they were always training, always working.

01:16:29.000 And that's what separates them.

01:16:30.000 They're not out at the club until two, three in the morning.

01:16:33.000 Than trying to recover the next day.

01:16:35.000 They're not drinking.

01:16:35.000 They're not smoking.

01:16:36.000 They're not doing.

01:16:37.000 The no drinking is huge.

01:16:38.000 Huge.

01:16:39.000 Huge. 0.87

01:16:40.000 If there's one thing that fucks fighters up more than anything, it's partying. 0.92

01:16:43.000 Oh, yeah.

01:16:43.000 Drinking, especially, I guess, Coke, but I don't have a lot of experience with guys that I know that were doing Coke, but I have a lot of experience with guys that were drinkers.

01:16:52.000 And you would see them in the morning on, like, they would go out Saturday night. 0.97

01:16:56.000 Sunday, they'd be fucked up. 1.00

01:16:57.000 They show up Monday to train, and they just looked like shit. 1.00

01:16:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:17:00.000 Because they had been partying too hard just two days ago.

01:17:02.000 And you don't think that that's going to make a big difference, but if you're getting drunk on Saturday night, that's.

01:17:07.000 Days before you're back to baseline.

01:17:10.000 That's right.

01:17:10.000 Days.

01:17:11.000 You know, and you can get away with it when you're 23.

01:17:13.000 A little bit, kind of.

01:17:13.000 Yeah.

01:17:14.000 But are you?

01:17:15.000 Because you're probably not as good as you would have been.

01:17:17.000 And then maybe you're going to get hit with some shots that you wouldn't have got hit with, or you've been going to get tapped when you wouldn't have got tapped.

01:17:23.000 Yeah.

01:17:23.000 See, and then you take a look.

01:17:24.000 That's the big difference.

01:17:25.000 And you go back and look at Habib's career.

01:17:27.000 Go back and look at his first fight in the USC and look at how bad.

01:17:31.000 And I'm serious, how bad his stand up was.

01:17:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:34.000 Oh, no.

01:17:34.000 It wasn't the best.

01:17:35.000 It was probably the worst.

01:17:36.000 Okay.

01:17:37.000 It was.

01:17:37.000 I don't think it was the worst.

01:17:38.000 It was. 1.00

01:17:39.000 He did a lot of crazy shit. 1.00

01:17:39.000 Bad. 1.00

01:17:41.000 Yeah.

01:17:41.000 But take a look at it.

01:17:43.000 Those were his setups.

01:17:44.000 When he was at the end.

01:17:45.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:46.000 It was tight.

01:17:47.000 He always was improving.

01:17:49.000 Oh, he improved.

01:17:50.000 He improved throughout. 0.99

01:17:52.000 He cracked Connor with a big right hand, which was like, everybody was like, holy shit. 0.99

01:17:57.000 That was a shocker. 0.95

01:17:58.000 I had several conversations with Schaub about that because I went down and did his show a couple of times in L.A. before that fight.

01:18:03.000 And I said, look, stylistically, Connor's the better striker.

01:18:06.000 I go, but the intimidation of the takedown and the threat of the takedown for Connor is going to make him hesitant.

01:18:10.000 I said, don't be surprised if Habib ends up landing some good.

01:18:13.000 Some good hard shots on the feet.

01:18:15.000 That's a giant factor.

01:18:16.000 The fear of the takedown.

01:18:17.000 It's bad about Kevin Randleman when he fought Krokop.

01:18:19.000 When he knocked him out, that was what it was.

01:18:21.000 The fear of the takedown.

01:18:21.000 Absolutely.

01:18:22.000 The thinking.

01:18:23.000 The thought process of, I can't let him.

01:18:26.000 You get it.

01:18:26.000 If Kevin Randleman and Krokop fought a straight kickboxing match with no takedowns, Jesus Christ.

01:18:32.000 It's a walk.

01:18:33.000 You don't want to watch.

01:18:34.000 It'd be terrible to watch.

01:18:35.000 But that threat of the takedown is this factor that keeps you from being comfortable.

01:18:39.000 It keeps you from finding your flow state.

01:18:41.000 That little hesitation opens up so many opportunities to catch him.

01:18:45.000 It's so big.

01:18:45.000 Yeah, it's big.

01:18:46.000 You see it in fights all the time.

01:18:48.000 When a guy just has this extra element of the end one.

01:18:51.000 So that's why it's so impressive when you see a guy like Pereira where there's no threat to takedown.

01:18:56.000 No.

01:18:57.000 There's no threat.

01:18:58.000 It's not happening.

01:18:59.000 He's not even thinking about taking down. 1.00

01:19:00.000 He's just going to fuck you up. 1.00

01:19:02.000 And now it's up to you to deal with that. 0.99

01:19:05.000 We just don't have the level of wrestlers these days in the 205 and the heavyweight division to compete with him in the wrestling area.

01:19:12.000 That's where you have someone like Stevenson coming in, Gable coming in in the heavyweight division.

01:19:17.000 Okay, Curtis Blades can wrestle.

01:19:19.000 Now Josh Hokett.

01:19:20.000 Look, Josh Hokett's the real deal.

01:19:23.000 He's a good athlete.

01:19:25.000 He's a good all around athlete.

01:19:27.000 You can go with the shtick.

01:19:27.000 He's a character.

01:19:28.000 Hey, look at his stick.

01:19:30.000 It's great.

01:19:31.000 But also, he put up.

01:19:31.000 Exactly.

01:19:33.000 He put up.

01:19:33.000 He put up in that Curtis Blades.

01:19:33.000 Absolutely.

01:19:35.000 That fight, as a heavyweight fight, was awesome.

01:19:35.000 Hello.

01:19:38.000 Awesome to watch.

01:19:39.000 Terrible for your dome, though.

01:19:40.000 Oh, yes. 0.99

01:19:41.000 And that's the crazy thing that he's going to fight Derek Lewis, who's the biggest knockout puncher in the history of the fucking heavyweight division. 0.98

01:19:47.000 More knockouts than anyone. 0.97

01:19:49.000 And he's going to fight him, what?

01:19:50.000 How many weeks?

01:19:51.000 Seven weeks?

01:19:52.000 Yeah, seven weeks. 0.99

01:19:54.000 Seven fucking weeks. 0.99

01:19:55.000 Seven fucking weeks. 1.00

01:19:56.000 After a war. 1.00

01:19:57.000 You see Curtis Blades' fists?

01:19:57.000 Hello.

01:19:58.000 They're like this.

01:19:59.000 Yeah.

01:20:00.000 They're like that big.

01:20:01.000 They're gigantic.

01:20:02.000 He's a giant man.

01:20:03.000 And he hit him a bunch.

01:20:04.000 Oh, he did.

01:20:05.000 And what, look, I got to give it up for Curtis Blaze.

01:20:05.000 Big shots.

01:20:08.000 What a fight he put on because he took some damage.

01:20:12.000 He delivered some big shots as well.

01:20:14.000 Mad heart. 0.91

01:20:15.000 Mad heart. 1.00

01:20:16.000 Crazy heart because he just did not want to lose that shit talking dude. 1.00

01:20:16.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:20:22.000 That's the funny thing. 0.84

01:20:23.000 It's like, okay, we'll drop the act where you talk to him in real life. 0.97

01:20:27.000 And in the ring, you know, in the cage after the fight, I said, dude, that was a fucking amazing fight. 0.99

01:20:31.000 He goes, He goes, I talked so much shit. 0.99

01:20:34.000 How many? 1.00

01:20:34.000 He goes, I had one. 1.00

01:20:36.000 I talked so much shit. 1.00

01:20:40.000 And then he went and did it again. 1.00

01:20:42.000 Little Ilya Tapori is out there trying to pick fights with him, too. 1.00

01:20:42.000 Fuck it. 1.00

01:20:45.000 Fuck it. 1.00

01:20:46.000 Well, he just talks shit about so many people. 1.00

01:20:48.000 He's just trying to get people upset and talk about it. 1.00

01:20:51.000 He's just pushing buttons.

01:20:53.000 Listen, that's the Conor McGregor game plan.

01:20:56.000 Like, I mean, Conor did it the best.

01:20:58.000 Chael did it.

01:20:59.000 Chael was the first, really, to do it in MMA.

01:21:01.000 And then Conor.

01:21:01.000 Chael did it.

01:21:02.000 Took it to another level.

01:21:03.000 But they kind of stayed in their lane.

01:21:06.000 Like, this is my weight class.

01:21:07.000 This dude doesn't care if you're 135, 145. 0.99

01:21:09.000 He doesn't give a shit. 1.00

01:21:11.000 He talks a ton of shit. 1.00

01:21:12.000 He just wants controversy. 1.00

01:21:13.000 He's basically like one of them kick streamers. 1.00

01:21:16.000 He's just trying to talk shit as much as possible. 1.00

01:21:20.000 Look what he's done, though, man. 0.99

01:21:21.000 He can put himself, he can fight in the UFC for a division that the UFC has.

01:21:26.000 They need.

01:21:27.000 Man, they need these people.

01:21:29.000 I think Gable's the man.

01:21:30.000 That's what I think.

01:21:31.000 That's your nightmare.

01:21:32.000 That's Mike Tyson when he was 20.

01:21:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:34.000 He's still great.

01:21:35.000 He's got some work to do, but I'm glad they signed him early.

01:21:38.000 Try to develop him, hopefully, a little bit.

01:21:40.000 Give him two or three more fights inside the UFC.

01:21:42.000 The problem is the heavyweight division in the UFC is so shallow that you could see Gable fighting for a title within a year or two.

01:21:49.000 Three fights.

01:21:50.000 Three fights.

01:21:51.000 Could be.

01:21:51.000 Yeah, could be.

01:21:53.000 He's going to have to learn a lot, though, in that process.

01:21:55.000 100%.

01:21:56.000 He's got John in his corner.

01:21:57.000 Yeah, he's a giant.

01:21:58.000 You've got to give him credit, though.

01:21:59.000 He has shown that, first off, he's super fast.

01:22:02.000 Oh, you're right.

01:22:02.000 But he's also got a chin.

01:22:04.000 He got kicked. 0.67

01:22:05.000 Up into the head, neck area last week. 1.00

01:22:07.000 He ate that sucker, you know, and continued on. 0.99

01:22:10.000 And you go, Well, he's a tank. 0.99

01:22:12.000 Don't let that happen again.

01:22:13.000 But, Don't let it happen at all.

01:22:13.000 Right.

01:22:14.000 But, man, you've shown, hey, he didn't let it affect him.

01:22:17.000 He didn't back off.

01:22:19.000 Well, he's an Olympic gold medalist.

01:22:21.000 I mean, he's a winner.

01:22:22.000 Yeah.

01:22:22.000 He is a small heavyweight, though, like that hybrid style.

01:22:25.000 Yeah, but that's the best.

01:22:26.000 It is.

01:22:27.000 He's 250. 1.00

01:22:28.000 He's just not tall, but he's wide as fuck. 1.00

01:22:31.000 His legs and ass are huge. 1.00

01:22:32.000 How about when he had that dirty boxing fight and then leapt over the top rope? 0.99

01:22:37.000 Literally, that's the whole thing.

01:22:38.000 Like it was a box of tissues on the ground.

01:22:40.000 The best one was when he had the first one and he hits the guy, and the guy's out going down and he's taking him down.

01:22:47.000 Double like double.

01:22:49.000 That's how fast he is.

01:22:50.000 Yeah, he's the most impressive of the prospects.

01:22:54.000 But you know, hopefully, this is going to excite that.

01:22:56.000 Like when you have a, like every division goes through these like peaks and valleys.

01:23:01.000 And when you have a lull, hopefully that's when people come in and they fill that void.

01:23:05.000 And with Francis out of the UFC and looks like forever.

01:23:09.000 Which is a shame.

01:23:10.000 It's a shame.

01:23:11.000 I tried to negotiate that.

01:23:13.000 I tried to bring the two of them back together.

01:23:14.000 I tried to have a sit down.

01:23:15.000 Dana was not interested.

01:23:16.000 He doesn't want to have anything to do with them.

01:23:18.000 It's about interpersonal relationships, interpersonal exchanges that they had that I'm not, I don't know what happened exactly.

01:23:26.000 I just know what Dana told me and I believe him.

01:23:28.000 So it's like, You have the best heavyweight in the world, and he can't fight in the UFC, which is to me crazy.

01:23:35.000 I mean, let's do Molly together.

01:23:37.000 Let's work this out.

01:23:39.000 Let's work this out, bro.

01:23:41.000 We can do anything, right?

01:23:42.000 I mean, this is why I'm not a promoter, and it's why I'm not a businessman.

01:23:45.000 But if I was, I would go to dinner with him.

01:23:47.000 Come on, man.

01:23:49.000 I'm sure we could let our differences be aside.

01:23:51.000 Like, he's not a bad guy.

01:23:53.000 It's just, you know, sometimes people get upset or they say things like, smooth it out.

01:23:59.000 Yeah.

01:24:00.000 Experiences with Francis have always been super positive.

01:24:03.000 A lot of people enjoy talking to him.

01:24:05.000 Francis has been nothing but kind to me and everybody I've introduced him to and stuff.

01:24:10.000 He's always the best. 0.98

01:24:11.000 He's the scariest fucking heavyweight on planet Earth. 0.99

01:24:13.000 Dude, he's huge. 1.00

01:24:14.000 He's huge.

01:24:16.000 I was at an awards thing and Misha Tate and Rashad Evans and I and my wife were taking a picture and all of a sudden there's a shadow comes over the top of us and it's Francis with his arms out like, hey, right?

01:24:28.000 It's like, what the hell?

01:24:29.000 When you get a natural 265, A guy's and shredded, cutting weight to make 265.

01:24:35.000 That's, I mean, he's, he, there were many fights where he was like 270, 275. 0.98

01:24:40.000 He would drop a little bit of weight to make the 260, which is also stupid. 0.99

01:24:40.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:24:44.000 Why is there a 265 pound weight limit for the heavyweight division?

01:24:46.000 That's nuts.

01:24:48.000 Isn't that nuts?

01:24:48.000 Yeah, I know why.

01:24:50.000 Because you get those really big guys.

01:24:52.000 It was like Lorenzo.

01:24:54.000 Lorenzo was looking at it saying, I don't want fat guys.

01:24:58.000 Really?

01:24:59.000 That's what, you know, because you had, you had.

01:25:00.000 What about Roy, Big Country?

01:25:02.000 Everybody loved Big Country when he was winning.

01:25:04.000 But it was at the time in MMA, you had no weight limits.

01:25:09.000 To a point.

01:25:09.000 Roy was lovable.

01:25:10.000 Love Roy.

01:25:11.000 No weight limits.

01:25:11.000 Yeah.

01:25:12.000 And that whole thing was he looked and said, I don't want a bunch of fat guys.

01:25:16.000 We got to cut it off at a certain point because I'm not going to have super heavyweight.

01:25:20.000 And they never did.

01:25:21.000 Well, not having super heavyweight is fine, but merge it.

01:25:25.000 Yeah.

01:25:25.000 It's ridiculous.

01:25:26.000 If a guy is like Value F, remember Value F? 0.87

01:25:28.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:29.000 The Russian guy was seven feet tall, fought Holyfield.

01:25:31.000 Let him fight.

01:25:32.000 David Hay beat him.

01:25:33.000 Remember that one?

01:25:34.000 Oh, that's right.

01:25:35.000 David Hay.

01:25:36.000 And David Hay's a small heavyweight in comparison.

01:25:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:39.000 Holyfield beat him, too, right?

01:25:41.000 Didn't Holyfield beat him?

01:25:42.000 Holyfield didn't fight Value.

01:25:42.000 No, I don't think.

01:25:43.000 I think they did.

01:25:44.000 Did they?

01:25:45.000 Look that one up.

01:25:45.000 I think they did.

01:25:46.000 I think they did.

01:25:48.000 I might be wrong.

01:25:49.000 I don't think.

01:25:50.000 I'm not sure Vander fought him.

01:25:52.000 David Hay beat him.

01:25:53.000 I know that.

01:25:53.000 Might be wrong.

01:25:55.000 But.

01:25:56.000 Yeah.

01:25:56.000 Oh, there they are.

01:25:57.000 Oh, that's him.

01:25:57.000 Oh.

01:25:58.000 Yeah.

01:26:00.000 2008.

01:26:01.000 Crazy.

01:26:02.000 And Vander Holyfield was a cruiserweight.

01:26:04.000 Remember when he fought Dwight Muhammad Kawi, who was 5'7?

01:26:06.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:07.000 Kawhi was a five or seven cruiserweight.

01:26:09.000 He would get underneath, dude, and be like moving around.

01:26:11.000 He was like, he was a nightmare to deal with.

01:26:13.000 He was a mini Joe Frazier.

01:26:15.000 Bro, he's a tank.

01:26:16.000 That guy was, and he would pull his trunks way up to here.

01:26:19.000 Oh, he did it? 0.99

01:26:20.000 Dude, right under his nipples. 0.99

01:26:22.000 It was crazy. 0.99

01:26:24.000 Oh, value of one.

01:26:25.000 Yeah.

01:26:26.000 Highly disputed.

01:26:27.000 That's where it is.

01:26:28.000 Majority decision. 1.00

01:26:29.000 That's where you get a fucking referee in your corner. 1.00

01:26:31.000 That's when. 1.00

01:26:32.000 A judgment.

01:26:33.000 Look at the age of Evander.

01:26:34.000 Yes.

01:26:34.000 46, which is crazy.

01:26:36.000 Yeah, it is crazy.

01:26:38.000 It's crazy when you see these guys that were.

01:26:39.000 You know, like, oh, wow, Yoel Romero can do it.

01:26:42.000 No.

01:26:42.000 Okay, listen.

01:26:43.000 He's a distinct.

01:26:45.000 He's from Earth.

01:26:46.000 Okay, this is where this whole UFO thing comes in.

01:26:49.000 And here is the proof of the yes, there are aliens, and Yoel Romero is one of them.

01:26:55.000 He is built differently than every other human being on the face of his life.

01:26:55.000 Yeah, it's a lot.

01:26:59.000 I told this story before.

01:27:00.000 I don't know if you guys heard it, but this actually happened.

01:27:03.000 One of his fights, he had broken his orbital.

01:27:06.000 The UFC brings him to a doctor.

01:27:07.000 The doctor says to him, to the UFC, Where did you get this guy?

01:27:11.000 And they go, He's pretty awesome, right?

01:27:12.000 He goes, No, no, no.

01:27:13.000 I've never seen a human built like this before.

01:27:16.000 They said his tendons in his eye were three times larger than a normal person's.

01:27:21.000 They said the orbital bone is already healing.

01:27:24.000 Like, this is crazy.

01:27:25.000 I need no medicine.

01:27:26.000 So then there's some questions.

01:27:27.000 It's like, you know, listen, the Cubans are very connected to the Russians.

01:27:31.000 We're very connected to science.

01:27:34.000 It's wild.

01:27:35.000 I mean, you got to think if you had a kid and you knew this kid was going to be wrestling, bang, bang, bang, when he's coming up, you could make a totally different kind of kid.

01:27:45.000 I read a story about this guy and his son started showing androgenic effects very early on.

01:27:53.000 They were freaked out. 0.99

01:27:55.000 His dick was growing, he's getting hair. 1.00

01:27:56.000 They're like, what the fuck is happening to this baby? 1.00

01:27:58.000 And they realized that the dad had. 1.00

01:28:01.000 Testosterone cream.

01:28:03.000 So the dad was taking testosterone cream and he's holding the baby and, you know, bare chest to bare chest.

01:28:09.000 It's transferring. 1.00

01:28:10.000 He's literally juicing up his fucking kid. 0.99

01:28:13.000 Have you seen Andre Smaev? 1.00

01:28:15.000 Yes.

01:28:15.000 Holy Jesus Christ.

01:28:17.000 Jamie, pull up that guy.

01:28:18.000 Who's this?

01:28:19.000 Andre Smaev is kind of a hybrid.

01:28:21.000 He's a bodybuilder, power lifter, strong man, arm wrestler.

01:28:26.000 Yeah.

01:28:27.000 He's 350 pounds.

01:28:30.000 I mean, 27 inch arm or something like that.

01:28:33.000 His hands are so big, they look like catcher's mitts.

01:28:35.000 Yeah, and that's.

01:28:36.000 Do you.

01:28:36.000 Look at his hands.

01:28:37.000 Have you heard?

01:28:38.000 You know what he's saying?

01:28:39.000 That's 2016 to 2026.

01:28:40.000 Look at the difference.

01:28:41.000 2016, look at his hands.

01:28:41.000 Yeah.

01:28:43.000 Yeah, look at his hands difference.

01:28:45.000 His hands are huge because he takes.

01:28:47.000 Growth hormone?

01:28:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:48.000 Everything.

01:28:49.000 He takes a thousand units of growth hormone a day.

01:28:53.000 That's 10 vials.

01:28:54.000 What?

01:28:54.000 He does?

01:28:55.000 He's going to die. 0.98

01:28:55.000 Yes. 0.98

01:28:57.000 Whoa.

01:28:58.000 You cannot take.

01:28:59.000 Is that real?

01:29:00.000 Yeah.

01:29:00.000 That's insane.

01:29:01.000 A thousand.

01:29:02.000 Oh, my God.

01:29:02.000 Look at the size of him.

01:29:04.000 That's so crazy.

01:29:06.000 That dude does one arm pull ups at 350 pounds.

01:29:10.000 That's nuts.

01:29:11.000 I mean, he is absolutely.

01:29:14.000 And he has a regular job.

01:29:14.000 And he's not.

01:29:15.000 He's 27 years old.

01:29:16.000 He looks like he's 50.

01:29:16.000 Look at him.

01:29:17.000 Yeah, he looks at least 50.

01:29:18.000 Doesn't he have a factory job?

01:29:20.000 I think he has a regular job.

01:29:21.000 So it's not even.

01:29:22.000 He's not even doing it for money.

01:29:23.000 Oh, no.

01:29:24.000 But it's crazy when you see him when he was young.

01:29:25.000 Like, look at that.

01:29:26.000 That's him.

01:29:27.000 That's the same guy.

01:29:28.000 I mean, that looks like a regular athlete.

01:29:30.000 He is a regular athlete there. 0.99

01:29:32.000 And then all of a sudden, he becomes this fucking immense freak. 1.00

01:29:36.000 He is. 0.99

01:29:37.000 He must have done a lot of testosterone to those dudes. 0.98

01:29:39.000 Oh, he did his hair like that.

01:29:40.000 He did everything.

01:29:41.000 He's done everything there is.

01:29:42.000 Whatever you got, give me it.

01:29:44.000 There's a lot of those dudes.

01:29:46.000 Do you know about that guy, Tom Havilland?

01:29:47.000 Oh, yeah, in Australia.

01:29:48.000 Dude, that's six foot eight.

01:29:50.000 That dude, you take a look at him.

01:29:53.000 He is unique in the fact he doesn't do the normal workouts and stuff.

01:29:57.000 He does basic farm stuff.

01:30:01.000 He picks up things, farmer walks with stuff that's ridiculously expensive. 0.98

01:30:05.000 He picks up axles and weird shit. 0.98

01:30:08.000 Dude, but he's six foot eight. 0.99

01:30:10.000 Let's say 330 pounds.

01:30:11.000 More.

01:30:12.000 Not an absolute pound.

01:30:12.000 He was trying to get to four.

01:30:14.000 He was trying to get to four, so he's in the 390s.

01:30:17.000 He was like, this is building up to 400 pounds, but shredded.

01:30:21.000 And preposterously strong.

01:30:23.000 Yeah.

01:30:24.000 Like farmers would love to see.

01:30:26.000 He's always working out when you can't see him.

01:30:27.000 Yeah, you see his back, and he's always wearing clothes, which is very odd.

01:30:31.000 But there's photos of him without the clothes.

01:30:33.000 Yeah.

01:30:34.000 And it's almost like he's building a masterpiece and he wants to reveal it once he's done painting.

01:30:38.000 Yeah.

01:30:39.000 See if you can find some pictures of what he actually looks like because there is occasionally they show his body, yeah. 0.99

01:30:45.000 He'll show always, always takes all the stuff, like that's him, yeah, fucking bro. 0.98

01:30:49.000 Wow, look at that! 1.00

01:30:50.000 Look at that, that's fucking insane. 0.99

01:30:50.000 That's him right there. 0.99

01:30:52.000 Oh, he looks young.

01:30:53.000 I don't think he's that old.

01:30:54.000 Okay, he looks young.

01:30:55.000 I think he's like maybe 30 or something.

01:30:57.000 It's nuts.

01:30:58.000 Yeah, he is.

01:30:59.000 Gigantic dude.

01:31:00.000 6'8, 385. 1.00

01:31:01.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:31:03.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:31:04.000 Now, imagine if he wanted to fight MMA. 1.00

01:31:05.000 And they're like, well, sir, you've got to lose 110 pounds. 1.00

01:31:08.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:31:10.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:31:11.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:31:12.000 Okay, hold on. 1.00

01:31:13.000 Hold on.

01:31:13.000 Think about this.

01:31:14.000 Look at that.

01:31:15.000 You're the heavyweight that they want to put him against.

01:31:17.000 Yes, there's a weight class.

01:31:20.000 No.

01:31:20.000 Listen, I think this should be a 225 and then should be chaos.

01:31:25.000 225 and then chaos.

01:31:26.000 Yeah.

01:31:26.000 I agree.

01:31:27.000 And let the freaks in. 1.00

01:31:29.000 Let them, the Iceland dudes in. 1.00

01:31:31.000 I mean, some of the most entertaining fights in Pride, right, were the freak fights.

01:31:35.000 Yeah.

01:31:35.000 Well, here's the thing, though.

01:31:37.000 That guy's going to melt your piss cup. 0.98

01:31:38.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:31:39.000 100%.

01:31:40.000 So, just like in Pride. 1.00

01:31:41.000 Fucking. 1.00

01:31:42.000 Just like in Pride. 1.00

01:31:44.000 If you put that fucking guy in one of those tester machines, it would ding like one of those cartoon things where you hit him on the alley and it hits the bell. 1.00

01:31:55.000 There would be fireworks going off, streamers coming down. 1.00

01:31:58.000 There's no chance that guy's on the Natch.

01:31:59.000 Oh, come on.

01:32:00.000 But that's just like.

01:32:01.000 Pride, you know, yeah, exactly like pride.

01:32:03.000 Yeah, pride.

01:32:04.000 They just had the enhanced game, I know, but it didn't do anything.

01:32:04.000 Everybody was juicy.

01:32:08.000 Only one world record was broken in the 50 yard, yeah, yeah.

01:32:11.000 Really, that was a 50 meter swim, but they were wearing a suit that's illegal, yeah, because it makes you slippery, yeah.

01:32:18.000 And it was a guy that had already beaten the world record like I don't know a couple years back, something's beaten him since.

01:32:23.000 It's no one really, it wasn't that successful.

01:32:26.000 And I talked to a friend of mine about it, and he was like, I think, first of all, they're not like monitoring everything everyone's doing, they're not optimizing that.

01:32:33.000 If you really want to juice these people up, you can't let them do it themselves.

01:32:37.000 You've got to have a whole program where you put them on this stuff.

01:32:39.000 But also, what are we doing?

01:32:41.000 Did you hear the reason why they're doing it?

01:32:44.000 Why?

01:32:44.000 The whole thing is kind of like Red Bull.

01:32:46.000 You know how Red Bull does all the crazy different stunt stuff and everything?

01:32:51.000 Their whole thing is they are a company that gives out or puts out these monthly things of TRT and all these different things with testosterone and stuff.

01:33:03.000 So they did this whole thing as an advertisement.

01:33:07.000 Basically, for people to see that being enhanced is better and that you'll come and now sign up for it.

01:33:14.000 I think it's $399 a month for your whole thing to be able to.

01:33:18.000 Yeah, $399.

01:33:19.000 The enhanced program.

01:33:20.000 It's the enhanced program.

01:33:20.000 There you go.

01:33:22.000 Thank you, Jamie.

01:33:22.000 So, when did they.

01:33:22.000 Okay.

01:33:23.000 When we had them on, Jamie, did they bring this up?

01:33:26.000 I don't think they did.

01:33:27.000 Maybe they adopted this later because we had them on like about a year before they were going to do the games.

01:33:33.000 And I was like, let's go.

01:33:36.000 Juice everybody up.

01:33:36.000 Juice them up.

01:33:39.000 What about enhanced fight games?

01:33:39.000 Yeah.

01:33:42.000 Yeah, my.

01:33:43.000 Interesting.

01:33:43.000 The Vitor Belfort days.

01:33:46.000 The whole question is this when you truly look at it, because I look and say, look, if you open it up to everyone, then it's someone's choice.

01:33:52.000 You're going to hear all that thing.

01:33:53.000 Well, you know, you can do it if you want.

01:33:54.000 You don't have to do it.

01:33:56.000 But it's different when you're lifting a weight or you're swimming in a pool or doing those things or you're beating on another human being.

01:34:05.000 It's just there's a difference.

01:34:06.000 You're creating damage in the sport of fighting.

01:34:09.000 100%.

01:34:10.000 Do you want to enhance someone?

01:34:13.000 In being able to do that, you're also enhancing your ability to take damage.

01:34:17.000 You could take that into consideration.

01:34:19.000 You're going to get hit with less shots because you're going to have more endurance because you're going to be on EPO.

01:34:23.000 You're going to have.

01:34:24.000 That's always good for you, too.

01:34:25.000 Super good.

01:34:26.000 The strokes that you get on EPO are the best. 0.98

01:34:34.000 But I mean, I've got to think there's a way to do all those things if you're monitoring your blood work and you're being very careful where you don't go crazy like the Russian cat. 1.00

01:34:45.000 You know, people. 1.00

01:34:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:46.000 That's human nature.

01:34:48.000 You're right.

01:34:48.000 Yep.

01:34:49.000 One step, take another.

01:34:50.000 Yep.

01:34:51.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:34:52.000 Yeah.

01:34:52.000 And if that guy has skills, imagine that guy with a.

01:34:54.000 Oh, my God.

01:34:55.000 Imagine if you got Fedor and you go, bro, you want to keep fighting?

01:34:59.000 I got 949.

01:35:00.000 I'm 49, but listen.

01:35:03.000 That's only biological.

01:35:05.000 I can make you 32 again.

01:35:06.000 Yeah.

01:35:07.000 We get you in a hyperbaric chamber every day for two hours, and this is what we're going to do testosterone in the morning, testosterone at lunch, testosterone at night. 0.59

01:35:14.000 And a little growth after.

01:35:15.000 Oh, growth is all day long.

01:35:16.000 You're taking growth from the moment you wake up.

01:35:18.000 We're going to get you up to about 290 shredded.

01:35:22.000 We're going to peptide you.

01:35:23.000 I think part of the attraction to Fedor, though, is his belly.

01:35:27.000 100%.

01:35:28.000 Yeah.

01:35:28.000 You know?

01:35:29.000 You lose that, and I'm like, ah.

01:35:30.000 I mean, imagine Lorenzo saying, I don't want fat guys to fight, and you see Fedor.

01:35:34.000 He's like, yeah, right.

01:35:35.000 He did everything he could to get Fedor.

01:35:37.000 Yeah.

01:35:37.000 Well, they did.

01:35:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:38.000 They really did.

01:35:38.000 No, he did.

01:35:39.000 I remember those days.

01:35:40.000 It was kind of crazy.

01:35:42.000 He was negotiating with some dangerous characters.

01:35:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:44.000 And Dana was like, we got to up our security.

01:35:47.000 This is getting heavy with these guys.

01:35:50.000 They wanted a piece of the promotion.

01:35:52.000 That was the whole thing.

01:35:54.000 Everyone talks about that and stuff.

01:35:55.000 And it wasn't Fedor.

01:35:57.000 You know, Fedor would have fought for anyone, and it wasn't the price of what, you know, he wanted for money.

01:36:02.000 It was.

01:36:03.000 M1 was associated.

01:36:05.000 Vadim Finkelstein was Fedor's manager.

01:36:08.000 He had M1 and he wanted a co promotion with the UFC.

01:36:11.000 And the UFC's going, no, we can't do that.

01:36:14.000 That's the one thing we can't do.

01:36:15.000 And that was the end all right there.

01:36:17.000 Which is unfortunate, right?

01:36:17.000 Yeah.

01:36:19.000 Oh, totally.

01:36:19.000 We missed out on the greatest matchup of all time between Prime Kane and Prime Fedor.

01:36:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:26.000 Prime Kane and Prime Fedor would have been fucking nuts. 1.00

01:36:30.000 Nuts. 1.00

01:36:31.000 I mean, absolutely nuts.

01:36:33.000 Nobody had a gas tank like Kane.

01:36:35.000 Nobody.

01:36:36.000 I just talked to him yesterday, Kane, and I was just talking to him about it.

01:36:38.000 I said, if there's one fight you could come back for, and he's like, you know, I'm really, really like, he's not, he's just, he's completely checked out of the fight thing.

01:36:46.000 But I was like, no, he's not checked out of fighting.

01:36:47.000 I mean, he's doing a great job of training guys.

01:36:49.000 To me, he's back doing it.

01:36:50.000 He's not.

01:36:51.000 No, he's not.

01:36:51.000 He's not.

01:36:52.000 Just talked to him yesterday.

01:36:53.000 Dude, he was just, I was just talking to him at the fights.

01:36:56.000 No, he's just like, no, I'm kind of like just disconnected.

01:36:59.000 Like, it's, he's just trying to get his life back.

01:37:01.000 Well, understandable.

01:37:02.000 Yeah.

01:37:02.000 Understandable.

01:37:03.000 That's the one fight I said, if there was one fight I could pick for you, it'd be Fedor.

01:37:07.000 That'd be the one fight I'd want to see out of him.

01:37:09.000 We missed It's funny because everyone talks.

01:37:11.000 I agree with you completely.

01:37:13.000 Everyone talks about the fight that they would have put together would have been Brock against Fedor.

01:37:19.000 And I look and I go, yeah, it's probably not that good of a fight.

01:37:19.000 Yeah.

01:37:23.000 Yeah.

01:37:23.000 It's like Brock would have had such a hard time standing up with that guy.

01:37:27.000 Yeah.

01:37:27.000 Fedor, well, a good example, like the Brock fight to me that was kind of the craziest fight was Alistar almost juicy.

01:37:34.000 Uber Eam.

01:37:35.000 Uber Eam.

01:37:36.000 Yeah.

01:37:36.000 The most juicy he ever had.

01:37:37.000 That wasn't juice.

01:37:38.000 That was horse meat.

01:37:38.000 That was everything.

01:37:40.000 That was horse meat.

01:37:41.000 He definitely ate some horse meat.

01:37:43.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:44.000 He was also eating pills.

01:37:45.000 Oh, that guy.

01:37:46.000 There was a lot going on. 0.99

01:37:47.000 But he was a monster. 0.61

01:37:49.000 He was huge.

01:37:50.000 World class pick boxer.

01:37:51.000 You see him now?

01:37:52.000 Yeah.

01:37:53.000 He doesn't look anything like he did.

01:37:53.000 He's like a vegan now.

01:37:55.000 He looks like he did.

01:37:56.000 Yeah.

01:37:57.000 He's back to his pride days. 0.97

01:37:58.000 Slow down, looking good.

01:38:00.000 Back to his supermodel days.

01:38:00.000 Yeah.

01:38:02.000 Yeah.

01:38:02.000 Good for health.

01:38:03.000 By the way, that guy's been KO'd a ton of times.

01:38:05.000 Seems fine. 0.98

01:38:06.000 Like he did the commentary during the Usyk fight, the Rico fight, and it was like, the guy is fucking talking great. 0.97

01:38:06.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97

01:38:12.000 He's like smooth and articulate.

01:38:14.000 It's not, and not everyone gets affected the same way.

01:38:16.000 Right.

01:38:17.000 And it is, you know, there are little factors, and you can see the difference.

01:38:21.000 There are guys, you know, that have been boxers with 70 professional fights.

01:38:25.000 They do, they talk fine.

01:38:27.000 Everything's good.

01:38:28.000 There's also a gene.

01:38:29.000 I think it's called APOE4.

01:38:32.000 And if you have that, like, what is it?

01:38:34.000 If you have it, you're protected, or if you have it, you have the problem.

01:38:34.000 How does it work?

01:38:38.000 So there's one gene expression that makes you more likely to get CT.

01:38:42.000 Yeah.

01:38:43.000 For whatever reason.

01:38:44.000 Yeah.

01:38:45.000 What is it?

01:38:47.000 Put that into perplexity and see what it says about that.

01:38:50.000 There's a gene that you have in your body that.

01:38:52.000 Yeah, some people have it and some people don't. 0.99

01:38:54.000 And if you have whatever it is, whether it's gene expression, I'm a moron. 0.98

01:38:59.000 I'm not the guy to talk about this. 0.82

01:39:00.000 But Dr. Rhonda Patrick talked about this.

01:39:02.000 And she was saying essentially that if you have this, here it is APOA4 appears to increase the risk of severity of chronic traumatic encephalopathy in people with significant repetitive head impacts, but is a modifier of risk, not a cause by itself.

01:39:16.000 So, meaning, obviously, if you have it and you're not taking headshots, you're okay.

01:39:20.000 It doesn't do anything.

01:39:21.000 Right.

01:39:22.000 But if you have it, so scroll back up again.

01:39:24.000 Please.

01:39:25.000 A large post mortem study of 364 people with RH1 294 with CTE 70 without carrying APOE4 was associated with more advanced CTE stage and higher tau protein burden in the frontal lobe.

01:39:39.000 But mainly in those older than 65.

01:39:41.000 But that's just because they haven't been testing all the MMA fighters or all the boxers.

01:39:47.000 Because if you really, if you just test in regular folks or football players, probably it's like football players is probably in the country the most.

01:39:55.000 People that have had trauma.

01:39:56.000 Absolutely.

01:39:57.000 Because you think about high school kids, even junior high kids, they're traumatic.

01:40:01.000 I mean, they did a study of, I forget how many different people, but they found that everyone, it was like nine out of ten had it in every group, whether it was high school kids, college kids, some level of CTE, which is nuts.

01:40:01.000 Before that, yeah.

01:40:17.000 Yeah.

01:40:18.000 Not just NFL, not just college, high school kids.

01:40:23.000 Everything that we've learned and we know today, comparatively, from here, I'm going to Florida for the.

01:40:29.000 Association of Ringside Physicians.

01:40:30.000 They have their annual conference.

01:40:32.000 And they put on all these different things, and we put together programs for down fighter things and all this stuff.

01:40:37.000 But we know so much more now.

01:40:40.000 Joe, it used to be I would go and do a presentation for him.

01:40:44.000 And it was one of the first things, when I first did it, I asked him a question.

01:40:49.000 The simple question was Let me ask you this.

01:40:52.000 If a guy gets hit with a shot, boom, and he's out going down, and he hits the ground, and the fighter.

01:41:00.000 Comes in and hits him with a shot.

01:41:01.000 Is it possible for him to hit him with a shot and actually wake him back up?

01:41:05.000 Every one of them back then, no.

01:41:07.000 That's impossible.

01:41:08.000 All it will do is intensify the effects of the first shot, all this stuff.

01:41:12.000 And I took a DVD, I said, let's watch.

01:41:15.000 What fight did you use in that episode?

01:41:17.000 Dude, I had a bunch, you know, and it was a matter of trying to show him, hey, all these things that we think are just not true.

01:41:26.000 Okay, when we have to branch out and start to figure this stuff out a little bit more, because, you know, in boxing, it's different because.

01:41:33.000 Boxing establishes time for me to make decisions.

01:41:37.000 MMA takes that time away because I have a fighter that is now, instead of walking towards or trotting towards a neutral corner or something like that, they're trotting towards that person to do more damage to them.

01:41:48.000 And so you're making that quicker decision.

01:41:50.000 And we've had too many fights where we have someone that they're out going down and then hit the ground and you have to actually wait.

01:42:00.000 I just had one last week with Jason Jackson, who is fighting his opponent, Jeff Creighton.

01:42:08.000 Creighton gets hit and he's going down, and I'm going in to stop it.

01:42:11.000 And I see he starts sitting up, and I go, I gotta wait.

01:42:14.000 And it's like, I don't want to wait, don't sit up.

01:42:16.000 And he comes back, boom, hits him, goes out, I stop it.

01:42:20.000 But it's like those are the ones that you look at and you go, man, to understand the way the human body responds differently in certain situations.

01:42:29.000 But we've learned more as far as the human body will do weird things in traumatic situations.

01:42:36.000 And it is the ability to hit someone and to take those synapses that are connected.

01:42:42.000 And to separate them, there is no difference in being able to hit them and putting them back.

01:42:47.000 That's crazy.

01:42:48.000 They can get snapped the same way.

01:42:49.000 Yeah, crazy.

01:42:50.000 That's nuts.

01:42:51.000 In the Hermes Franca fight in UFC 47, 46.

01:42:54.000 Jesus Christ, don't go back too far.

01:42:55.000 Yeah, too far.

01:42:56.000 But we're in the third round.

01:42:58.000 I catch his leg and he throws a little loopy shot and drops me.

01:43:01.000 I have the leg in my hand and I'm just going.

01:43:03.000 I can see my face headed towards the canvas.

01:43:05.000 My eyes are wide open, but I can't put my hands in front of my face.

01:43:08.000 My face bounces off the canvas.

01:43:10.000 It wakes me up and then I start fishing for legs.

01:43:12.000 It was just, I can see everything.

01:43:12.000 Wow.

01:43:14.000 I can hear everything.

01:43:15.000 I just couldn't put my hands in front of my face.

01:43:15.000 There you go.

01:43:18.000 And my face hits the canvas.

01:43:19.000 I wake back up and he starts jumping on me.

01:43:21.000 I start trying to fish for legs and trying to get to guard.

01:43:23.000 And that's how that goes.

01:43:25.000 Wow.

01:43:25.000 And the first thought to go through his head is, I hope I didn't damage my face because I'm so good looking, right?

01:43:30.000 Jealous.

01:43:31.000 It's a problem.

01:43:32.000 He's jealous.

01:43:32.000 This guy's jealous over here.

01:43:34.000 I've told you the whole story.

01:43:35.000 But actually, you violated the stereotype that good looking guys can't fight.

01:43:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:39.000 There was a little bit of a stereotype that good looking guys, when push comes and shove, they're going to fall apart because they're too good looking. 0.99

01:43:43.000 They don't want to get fucked up. 0.98

01:43:45.000 I don't think so. 0.99

01:43:45.000 Not true. 0.99

01:43:47.000 I've seen too many good looking guys.

01:43:48.000 Look at Rico.

01:43:49.000 Hell yeah.

01:43:49.000 Look at Rico.

01:43:50.000 Verhoeven's a fucking model. 1.00

01:43:51.000 Beautiful man. 1.00

01:43:51.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:43:52.000 That guy came to AK and trained with Kane in DC for a couple weeks. 1.00

01:43:56.000 That guy's a fucking murderer. 1.00

01:43:57.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:43:58.000 He's a murderer. 0.52

01:43:59.000 And, like, when we were talking about earlier about the fight and him, his boxing is really good. 0.91

01:44:05.000 His cardio, like you guys were talking about, is fantastic.

01:44:07.000 But, man, he has no fear of being taken down.

01:44:09.000 He has no fear of any of these guys.

01:44:11.000 Kane and DC didn't care.

01:44:13.000 He would fight them to the death on defending takedowns.

01:44:16.000 They were like, man, DC was the.

01:44:19.000 As soon as they got, they touched gloves, he would just right to the legs.

01:44:22.000 You know, right before the UFC.

01:44:24.000 Yeah.

01:44:25.000 They offered him Derek Lewis. 0.99

01:44:26.000 But then the Usak fight came up. 0.99

01:44:28.000 And it was like, listen, this is fantastic. 0.52

01:44:29.000 $15 million.

01:44:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:31.000 $15 million.

01:44:32.000 I can't say no.

01:44:32.000 And look what happened.

01:44:34.000 I mean, amazing choice because in most people's eyes, he won most of the rounds of that fight.

01:44:40.000 Go back and look at some of the fights.

01:44:42.000 That one right there.

01:44:43.000 You know, it's the most recent.

01:44:43.000 Okay.

01:44:46.000 Look at Francis Engano against Tyson Fury.

01:44:48.000 Yep.

01:44:49.000 And look at the scoring on that one.

01:44:50.000 Go back to Connor McGregor versus Mayweather because no matter what you want to say, Connor won the first couple rounds because Mayweather didn't throw any punches.

01:44:59.000 You don't, this whole thing about, oh, you're in general ringmanship. 1.00

01:45:03.000 Bullshit. 1.00

01:45:04.000 You're not throwing punches, you're not winning a fight. 1.00

01:45:06.000 Okay, it's a fight.

01:45:07.000 It's not a dance.

01:45:08.000 It's not how pretty you look.

01:45:10.000 And so you can go back and I can tell you, like, I've talked with some of the judges off of Mayweather and McGregor.

01:45:15.000 They go, I made a mistake.

01:45:17.000 I gave credit where I shouldn't have given credit.

01:45:19.000 It's like, how?

01:45:21.000 Interesting.

01:45:22.000 I think it's easier for the heavier weights, though, to go up to boxing and have a little bit more success than it would be for the smaller guys.

01:45:28.000 Like, Ilya Tapore to fight Bud Crawford.

01:45:30.000 Oh, no, no, stop.

01:45:31.000 Sorry.

01:45:32.000 Like, that's my point.

01:45:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:34.000 The level of boxing.

01:45:35.000 Talent there with Bud, and it's not even close.

01:45:39.000 It's not even close.

01:45:40.000 Bud's one of the greatest to ever.

01:45:41.000 Absolutely.

01:45:42.000 Absolutely.

01:45:43.000 But it could be if he just went into boxing.

01:45:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:46.000 I mean, the fucking North Cans are insane. 1.00

01:45:48.000 Bud Crawford could go to MMA. 0.99

01:45:51.000 That dude can wrestle.

01:45:52.000 Right?

01:45:52.000 Okay.

01:45:54.000 So I would love.

01:45:55.000 I mean, obviously, it's not going to happen just because of the money you can make.

01:45:58.000 Boxing is not the same as.

01:45:59.000 And also, he's another guy that's like, I'm done.

01:46:02.000 I don't have to do this anymore.

01:46:03.000 Oh, dude.

01:46:03.000 I did all I wanted to do.

01:46:05.000 Multiple division weight champion, undefeated.

01:46:08.000 Made a ton of money.

01:46:08.000 Bye.

01:46:09.000 See ya.

01:46:10.000 Yep.

01:46:11.000 Beat Canelo and boxed the brakes off him.

01:46:13.000 The ears off him, exactly.

01:46:16.000 When he was pity-pat punching him and then hitting him with big shots, like that's what you do to someone when you're playing.

01:46:20.000 He had Canelo so absolutely frustrated during that fight.

01:46:25.000 But I remember you watch, I was in New York, Gleason's gym.

01:46:30.000 Terrence Crawford is there.

01:46:31.000 And he is boxing all these guys and just playing.

01:46:35.000 Just absolutely, you know, come on, next one, boom, ready?

01:46:39.000 And touch, touch, touch.

01:46:40.000 He never tried to hurt any of them, never tried to throw a big punch.

01:46:43.000 You just look and you go, How good is this guy?

01:46:47.000 He is that, you know, he's that guy.

01:46:49.000 One of the best switch hitters to ever do it.

01:46:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:52.000 In my opinion, it's like him and Hagler.

01:46:54.000 They're like right there together.

01:46:54.000 Yeah.

01:46:55.000 Yeah, it's wild.

01:46:56.000 Greatest switch hitters.

01:46:57.000 Yep.

01:46:57.000 Because he could box you southpaws and all of a sudden he's orthodox and you're like, oh, no.

01:47:01.000 And the funny part about him is you see it in MMA.

01:47:05.000 Guys will switch when they take a step and throw a punch and they'll switch to a different.

01:47:09.000 He does the same thing and he does it and then takes a lateral movement that had Canelo like, where the hell is he?

01:47:16.000 And he's going, hi, bap, you know?

01:47:16.000 Yeah.

01:47:18.000 And you go, oh, my God, he's so goddamn cool. 0.89

01:47:18.000 Yeah. 0.89

01:47:20.000 He hit Canelo with a straight left.

01:47:23.000 And then Canelo went to counter, and he had the hand still out there, and he threw it, turned it into a left hook.

01:47:28.000 Yeah.

01:47:28.000 And I was like, good Lord.

01:47:30.000 Yeah.

01:47:31.000 It was so pretty.

01:47:31.000 You could see Canelo's like, here I come back, bang.

01:47:34.000 He gets dinged with the left hook.

01:47:34.000 Yeah.

01:47:35.000 I'm like, that is crazy speed and precision and technique.

01:47:39.000 I've said this before.

01:47:40.000 I've sparred with Robert the Ghost Guerrero because he lived in Gilroy, and we would train together all the time.

01:47:46.000 He would use me for the fight, I'd be in fight shape, ready for my UFC fight.

01:47:49.000 Just judge his son's fight.

01:47:50.000 Yeah.

01:47:51.000 Just literally, I'd show up.

01:47:53.000 I was the first four rounds of a 12 round session.

01:47:55.000 He knew a New training partner every four rounds.

01:47:58.000 This guy would just piece me up.

01:47:59.000 He would just toy with me.

01:48:01.000 And it was embarrassing.

01:48:01.000 I'm like, I'm in the best shape of my life.

01:48:03.000 But by round four, I was exhausted.

01:48:05.000 And he was barely touching me.

01:48:06.000 It's because you're working hard.

01:48:07.000 Touch, touch, move, slip out the side, slip out the side.

01:48:10.000 So good.

01:48:12.000 And he wasn't at Mayweather's level.

01:48:13.000 He's fought Mayweather, but he wasn't that level of slickness.

01:48:16.000 But he made it look like it when I was in there with him.

01:48:19.000 It's all in comparison.

01:48:19.000 So good.

01:48:20.000 I mean, there's guys that look like, look at Jack Della Maddalena when he fought Carlos Protez.

01:48:24.000 You're like, Jack Della Maddalena is one of the scariest strikers in the sport.

01:48:27.000 And then he fights Protez, you're like, oh, levels.

01:48:30.000 Oh, there is a difference.

01:48:31.000 Levels.

01:48:32.000 That's it.

01:48:33.000 That's what you try to do.

01:48:34.000 And everyone has this idea, we talk about it all the time, and I go, you don't understand the difference this much makes in the difference of how you compare in a fight with somebody.

01:48:45.000 Levels.

01:48:45.000 Oh, my God.

01:48:46.000 Especially when you get a guy like Protez that had so many high level Muay Thai fights.

01:48:46.000 Levels.

01:48:51.000 That's the big difference.

01:48:52.000 These guys that, with only striking, they develop an understanding of positions and techniques.

01:48:58.000 That's just not available if you're training the other stuff too.

01:49:01.000 And so then they get to this, like Pereira, they get to this super high level at this one thing, and then they incorporate the other stuff.

01:49:08.000 But that other level, you're not going to catch them.

01:49:11.000 You're not going to catch Protez when it comes to Muay Thai. 1.00

01:49:13.000 That step in fucking tomahawk elbow that he does, holy shit, dude. 1.00

01:49:18.000 And he's playing, and he smokes Marlboro's, and he drinks. 1.00

01:49:21.000 He smokes Marlboro's in the back.

01:49:23.000 Bro, it's crazy.

01:49:24.000 He's getting ready for the fight, and he's smoking blunts.

01:49:26.000 What was the guy that fought De La Hoya that would come out?

01:49:29.000 Smoking cigarettes.

01:49:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:30.000 McCoy.

01:49:31.000 McCoy.

01:49:31.000 Yeah.

01:49:32.000 But I mean, Mayorga was never at the level of Pratis. 1.00

01:49:34.000 No. 0.97

01:49:35.000 Pratis, like, is so fucking slick, man. 1.00

01:49:39.000 Some of the shit that he was doing to JDM, like, JDM is a fucking killer. 0.99

01:49:44.000 And he had no success. 1.00

01:49:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:46.000 He was drowning.

01:49:47.000 He was drowning, and it was.

01:49:49.000 It's also like, what is going on with his limbs?

01:49:51.000 Why are they so big?

01:49:52.000 Yeah.

01:49:53.000 It's like crazy.

01:49:54.000 Like, he says he's six foot one. 1.00

01:49:55.000 The fuck out of here, bro. 1.00

01:49:57.000 I want to measure your height and your length, because I think. 1.00

01:50:00.000 There's some bullshit. 0.99

01:50:01.000 Yeah, he's just all legs and arms. 1.00

01:50:02.000 I think he did this for his reach.

01:50:06.000 His reach is nuts when you see him in there.

01:50:09.000 He's like all arms and legs.

01:50:11.000 And the technique is so beautiful.

01:50:13.000 It's so beautiful. 0.99

01:50:14.000 The setups, when you think he's punching, he's kicking the fuck out of your calf. 0.99

01:50:18.000 And he's like slowly breaking you down. 0.98

01:50:21.000 Slowly breaking. 1.00

01:50:22.000 And then the knee, that fucking knee that comes out like a jab, his knee is nuts, man. 0.99

01:50:27.000 You go back to his fight with Gary, you know, and you look at, you know, Gary was doing great. 0.99

01:50:32.000 That last round, Yeah.

01:50:34.000 You know, he came back on it, and you look and you go.

01:50:37.000 If this was five rounds, it'd be a real problem.

01:50:39.000 Hello. 0.98

01:50:40.000 But it also shows you how fucking good Ian Gary is. 0.98

01:50:42.000 Oh, absolutely. 0.98

01:50:43.000 That's the whole point.

01:50:43.000 It shows how good he is because he has gone against guys that are a real problem as far as stylistically.

01:50:51.000 His fight against MVP, Ian Gary fought as smart as you could fight and did a wonderful job in showing, hey, I'm multifaceted.

01:51:01.000 I'm not just this one style fighter.

01:51:03.000 With Protez, when he knocked out Leon Edwards, I was like, oh.

01:51:08.000 I knew he was really elite, but I'm like, Leon's so technical and he's so slick.

01:51:13.000 And Protez is not going to try to take him down.

01:51:15.000 I'm like, this is going to be a very interesting fight.

01:51:17.000 But it wasn't.

01:51:18.000 It was Kyle's Prote's show. 1.00

01:51:20.000 He put on a fucking show. 1.00

01:51:21.000 The relaxation, the comfortness of being out there. 1.00

01:51:24.000 Also, Leon, understanding, like, I was the champion.

01:51:26.000 I'm not the champion.

01:51:27.000 It's hard to get back.

01:51:28.000 The mindset has changed a lot.

01:51:30.000 It's been hard for Leon ever since when he lost that title fight against Muhammad.

01:51:36.000 And you look and everything that's happened to him since, it's just, you know, confidence is everything.

01:51:40.000 Yeah.

01:51:41.000 Well, the Sean Brady fight might have been even more brutal than that because Sean just mauled him.

01:51:46.000 Mauled him.

01:51:47.000 When Sean gets on top of people, like, what he did to Joaquin Buckley was bananas.

01:51:51.000 No, it wasn't.

01:51:53.000 I look at that, and this is why.

01:51:56.000 Sean Brady won against Craig Jones.

01:51:59.000 Okay, now it was an advantage as far as win, but he grappled against the real Craig Jones and showed that he can stay with him.

01:52:06.000 Poor Joaquin is not allowed to use leg locks.

01:52:07.000 But you know in that match, Craig was not allowed to use leg locks.

01:52:10.000 You know that, right?

01:52:12.000 That's crazy.

01:52:14.000 That's like fighting Ernesto Hoost and you only can kick above the waist.

01:52:17.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:52:18.000 That's just if you're Rick Rufus, that's a smart idea.

01:52:20.000 Yeah, if you're Rick Rufus.

01:52:21.000 Yeah, but you know what I'm saying?

01:52:22.000 It's like that.

01:52:23.000 Craig Jones, like, you got to give him his full game.

01:52:24.000 You can't have him thinking, oh, I can't do this.

01:52:27.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:52:29.000 You're taking away 50% of his attacks.

01:52:34.000 But it's just, the ability to hold him down was just shocking.

01:52:37.000 I mean, it was like, God.

01:52:39.000 And then when he was mounting him, it just, like, he was doing drills.

01:52:42.000 Yeah.

01:52:43.000 It wasn't, he was just like staying calm and just bang, bang, bang.

01:52:46.000 It was like he was doing conditioning drills on a heavy bag.

01:52:48.000 Like, he was just sitting on a heavy bag, pounding on the bag.

01:52:51.000 That's what he was.

01:52:51.000 Time.

01:52:52.000 Bro, it's nuts.

01:52:53.000 I said this, maybe I caught some flack.

01:52:55.000 For it a little bit, but I said, like, look, I think the Ian Gary fight and the Protest fight for Islam, both those fights, I'm not saying they're easy fights because they're not, but you put someone like a Sean Brady against Islam, and that becomes a little bit more difficult.

01:53:08.000 A little bit more difficult.

01:53:09.000 But that's matchups.

01:53:10.000 Big difference. 0.71

01:53:11.000 Styles make matchups. 0.93

01:53:12.000 Styles make matchups.

01:53:13.000 They really do.

01:53:14.000 When you look at someone's style comparatively, it can be one person is easy for someone, they're very difficult for someone else.

01:53:21.000 If you're going to put someone against Islam as far as it's going to be on the ground with him and give him difficult, Times there's not a big enough sample size for me with Michael Morales.

01:53:31.000 I think Michael Morales could be a big threat on the feet, the wrestling. 0.67

01:53:34.000 People are going to say, Well, he beat Sean Brady, so obviously, but the size I think of Michael Morales will give Islam some problems as well. 0.95

01:53:42.000 Michael Morales can wrestle, yeah, right?

01:53:44.000 It's not like he's an Ecuadorian national champ, I think, is what he was.

01:53:47.000 And then you know, he's obviously got power, athletic, super athletic. 1.00

01:53:50.000 Islam doesn't do the normal wrestling, nope, his takedowns are different. 0.91

01:53:53.000 Yep, he's a lot of foot sweeps, a lot of judo, a lot of difference in the way he does things, and world championship experience, yes, and also the. 1.00

01:54:01.000 The years of training with Khabib.

01:54:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:03.000 Years. 1.00

01:54:04.000 What he does so well is he does it off of transitions.

01:54:06.000 As soon as you punch, you guys, anywhere inside the clinch, he's already hitting the foot sweep into the inside trip.

01:54:12.000 Okay, I'll hit, I'll drop on down on a single or a double.

01:54:12.000 Can't get it.

01:54:14.000 You know, I'm excited about it.

01:54:15.000 170 is Amosov.

01:54:17.000 Oh, dude. 1.00

01:54:18.000 That Ukrainian cat. 1.00

01:54:20.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:54:21.000 We know.

01:54:22.000 Of course, you know.

01:54:23.000 Look, he's good.

01:54:24.000 He is absolutely the real deal.

01:54:27.000 Yeah.

01:54:28.000 He is good everywhere.

01:54:30.000 Everywhere.

01:54:31.000 And his wrestling and his grappling ability, his submission ability, Is at the top of the field.

01:54:37.000 It's right there with Sean Brady.

01:54:39.000 No, no, it is.

01:54:39.000 No, I'm lying.

01:54:40.000 It is.

01:54:41.000 I just, there's one guy out there, though, and he was just talking about him.

01:54:44.000 He's the one guy that he lost to who's not signed by the UFC, and that's Jason Jackson.

01:54:48.000 He's the one guy to beat him.

01:54:49.000 I'd love to see Jason Jackson in the UFC.

01:54:51.000 Where's Jason now?

01:54:52.000 He just fought an MVP.

01:54:53.000 Just fought an MVP?

01:54:54.000 One in like 10 seconds.

01:54:55.000 22 seconds.

01:54:56.000 I had a hard night.

01:54:56.000 22 seconds.

01:54:57.000 I had 22 seconds and 17.

01:54:59.000 It was very difficult.

01:55:01.000 I was exhausted.

01:55:03.000 But he's the only one, he's the only guy to beat Jaroslav Famasov.

01:55:06.000 Yes.

01:55:07.000 Wow.

01:55:07.000 He's fantastic on the feet.

01:55:08.000 He has a wrestling background, but he chooses to stand.

01:55:11.000 He's got like 30 jobs, a coconut stand, car washers, all kinds of business.

01:55:14.000 He works.

01:55:15.000 He works all over the place.

01:55:16.000 He's a working man.

01:55:16.000 Dude, he's a working man.

01:55:17.000 But he's very talented.

01:55:20.000 I love watching that guy fight.

01:55:21.000 I think him, you add him against a Protis or against an Ian Gary, these guys would duke it out. 0.63

01:55:26.000 It would be a great fight.

01:55:28.000 It's interesting when there's guys that are at that level that aren't known.

01:55:32.000 Yeah.

01:55:33.000 And he's a former champion.

01:55:34.000 Jason's been there.

01:55:36.000 You've got to figure he was in the UFC as far as the ultimate fighter when they did that whole Black Zillions versus ATT.

01:55:42.000 Oh, that's right.

01:55:43.000 You know, he was part of that.

01:55:44.000 That's right.

01:55:45.000 You know, and he's just always been on the cusp of being brought back in and then not.

01:55:50.000 You look and you go, he's got all the talent in the world and he's tough as hell.

01:55:53.000 He'll fight.

01:55:54.000 He is tough.

01:55:55.000 Who is that cat, that heavyweight that just knocked out Hannon Ferrer?

01:56:00.000 Oh, that's Sergei Bellestino.

01:56:03.000 And he's one of Fedor's boys, right?

01:56:05.000 He is now.

01:56:06.000 He is now, yeah.

01:56:07.000 That dude.

01:56:08.000 Yeah.

01:56:09.000 That dude's.

01:56:09.000 Well, the other one.

01:56:10.000 Bellestini, he's.

01:56:11.000 Dude, that dude is yoked.

01:56:13.000 Yoked and moves fast.

01:56:14.000 He's fast and he's got power.

01:56:16.000 But then you also got Technique.

01:56:17.000 Nemkov said heavyweight.

01:56:18.000 Yeah, Vadim Nemkov is good.

01:56:20.000 He's another guy that's at the top of the heat that's not in the UFC.

01:56:23.000 Vadim Nemkov is good.

01:56:26.000 Yeah, and man, he is.

01:56:28.000 Extremely athletic.

01:56:29.000 He's not a big heavyweight.

01:56:30.000 He's got great lateral movement.

01:56:31.000 He's really good with his hands.

01:56:33.000 He's a 240.

01:56:33.000 Beautiful kicks.

01:56:34.000 Yeah, he was a 205.

01:56:35.000 He's 240 now.

01:56:36.000 Yeah, and he can wrestle.

01:56:37.000 He can do everything.

01:56:38.000 He chooses to stand, but he'll mix up the wrestling and kind of get you guessing.

01:56:42.000 And he's another Fedor guy.

01:56:43.000 He's another Fedor guy, yeah.

01:56:45.000 Yeah, that's another one.

01:56:46.000 Like, training under Khabib.

01:56:47.000 I mean, if you're a Russian guy, training under.

01:56:49.000 Fedor, like, good lord.

01:56:50.000 Yeah.

01:56:51.000 What a crazy opportunity.

01:56:52.000 Yeah, but you got to live in Stario School.

01:56:54.000 Do you really?

01:56:55.000 That's where they live, man.

01:56:55.000 That's where they live?

01:56:56.000 Oh, boy.

01:56:57.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:58.000 No parties there.

01:56:59.000 Nope.

01:57:00.000 Nope.

01:57:02.000 You better have snow tires, too.

01:57:03.000 Oh, yes, you better.

01:57:05.000 Thick clothing. 0.99

01:57:06.000 Thick clothing, snow tires, and hate comfort.

01:57:09.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

01:57:10.000 You're sleeping on a futon, bitch. 1.00

01:57:11.000 Yeah, there's a lot of talented guys that will come out of other promotions, but I'd love to see Jason Jackson in there mixing it up with those guys. 0.99

01:57:18.000 Because stylistically, the matchups are there with Pratis and Gary and the 170s.

01:57:22.000 70s right now.

01:57:23.000 And you putting Yaroslav.

01:57:25.000 When the UFC finally signed him, I said, thank god, thank god, you know yeah, he deserves to be there and they need.

01:57:32.000 You know that kind of and look, he's gone in and proven.

01:57:35.000 You know dude, his fight against Joel Alvarez.

01:57:37.000 Joel Alvarez is a good fighter.

01:57:39.000 I mean, he made him look absolutely like he, the guy didn't know hardly anything.

01:57:45.000 Yeah, I watched it yesterday.

01:57:46.000 I watched it again.

01:57:47.000 I mean, you just why, the last takedown, you know when he, when he airboarded him, oh my god, and you look at me and but Look at the ease that he did it with.

01:57:57.000 That's the thing.

01:57:57.000 Spectacular technique.

01:57:58.000 Oh, my God.

01:57:59.000 His technique.

01:58:00.000 The tightness of his grappling.

01:58:02.000 See, and his training partner is Johnny Eblen.

01:58:07.000 Same guy that's training partner now for Sean Strickland.

01:58:07.000 Ah.

01:58:10.000 Yeah.

01:58:11.000 Johnny, those guys go after each other daily.

01:58:15.000 And Johnny will tell you, he's the one that gives him the most fits inside the gym.

01:58:18.000 The one that I spar with the most, the one that just gives me all the fits on the grappling, the wrestling, all those things.

01:58:23.000 Go back to his fights, too, in the past when he fought Ed Ruth.

01:58:26.000 He hip tossed Edward.

01:58:27.000 Oh my God.

01:58:27.000 Took Edward down three times, national champ out of Penn State.

01:58:31.000 I mean, he was having success against him.

01:58:33.000 It was a very close fight, you know, and he ended up winning the fight, but it was one of those fights where you're like, Dan, you walked away going, This guy can wrestle.

01:58:39.000 This guy can stand.

01:58:40.000 He's chasing submissions.

01:58:41.000 He's trying to get finishes.

01:58:42.000 I mean, he had takedowns against Logan Storley, a six time state champ out of South Carolina.

01:58:48.000 Four time All American out of South Minnesota.

01:58:50.000 Just phenomenal, phenomenal wrestler, but he's able to have exchanges with these guys chasing anacondas, darces, knee bars, everything.

01:58:58.000 Extremely talented.

01:58:59.000 There's a lot of guys that I would love to see to kind of mix in because every time, because when you look at the history of the sport, you got like Strike Force when it came into UFC, those were the best fights.

01:59:10.000 And you start pulling pluck in.

01:59:11.000 I'm not saying that a lot of these guys need to come in right now, but you If you can pluck one or two guys for each division, it's all it takes to mix things up.

01:59:16.000 It's all it takes to loosen this whole thing up.

01:59:17.000 Because for a little bit before the Paramount deal happened, you know, because I cover it every fight every week, right?

01:59:24.000 And we talk about it on the pod. 0.96

01:59:25.000 It just simply put, everyone's like, man, these fights are trash. 0.96

01:59:28.000 This and that. 1.00

01:59:28.000 They're garbage. 1.00

01:59:29.000 I'm like, guys are being complainers. 1.00

01:59:31.000 The cards are great.

01:59:32.000 You guys are just, they're used to the next level of like the Connors and the Oustars.

01:59:37.000 The stars.

01:59:37.000 Yeah, on every card.

01:59:38.000 It's not just technique and just fighting ability.

01:59:41.000 There's some amazing fights out there.

01:59:43.000 Amazing fights.

01:59:44.000 When you add in, Someone like when Michael Chandler came in, there was a lot of hype around it.

01:59:48.000 When Patricio came in and Aaron Pico, when they came in, there's a lot of hype around it.

01:59:52.000 It kind of puts a little shot in the arm into the weight class and gets everyone amped up. 0.96

01:59:56.000 The fighters that are there at the UFC, they're like, this guy ain't fucking beating me. 0.98

02:00:00.000 I'm not letting this bum from this promotion beat me. 1.00

02:00:03.000 And then the fighters that are coming in are like, no, I'm here to shoot. 0.92

02:00:06.000 I'm here to prove that I deserve to be here.

02:00:08.000 So it kind of gets the fans amped up, it gets the promotion amped up, and the visions kind of get a little bit of a spark.

02:00:15.000 So I'd love to see that happen a little bit more.

02:00:17.000 Absolutely.

02:00:18.000 You know, the Pico thing is really interesting.

02:00:21.000 It's like his last fight, he looked so tight against Pitbull.

02:00:24.000 He looked so good.

02:00:25.000 Everything looked so smooth.

02:00:27.000 Like his boxing was flowing.

02:00:29.000 His transitions to grappling was flowing.

02:00:31.000 He fought intelligently. 1.00

02:00:32.000 Like that's the Pico that we needed to see. 1.00

02:00:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:00:35.000 But you take a look at his first fight against Lerone. 1.00

02:00:38.000 And I always say that was a Pico that was pressing.

02:00:44.000 He was pressing that fight and making, you know, taking chances.

02:00:44.000 Yep.

02:00:48.000 Not too obvious.

02:00:49.000 Absolutely.

02:00:49.000 That he was coming.

02:00:50.000 And you look and you go, This is the difference between, you know, that first fight in the UFC and wanting to do so well and wanting to prove how good you are and stuff, and then finally relaxing and just, hey, let the fight come to me.

02:01:03.000 Let me show what I can do and taking those moments when you get them.

02:01:06.000 That's what he did in his fight against Patricio.

02:01:08.000 And look, Patricio is good.

02:01:10.000 And Pico, Pico could be so good.

02:01:14.000 He just has to relax.

02:01:15.000 He's still young.

02:01:16.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:16.000 He's fighting.

02:01:17.000 He's had a bunch of pretty bad KOs.

02:01:18.000 Yes, he has. 0.94

02:01:19.000 The Borax one.

02:01:20.000 And that's a problem.

02:01:21.000 Yeah.

02:01:22.000 Borax, you had the one against freaking Corralis. 0.50

02:01:25.000 Yeah. 0.74

02:01:26.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:26.000 He hurt Corrales and then he got, you know, starched.

02:01:29.000 He's had a couple of them.

02:01:30.000 And both those fights he was winning.

02:01:31.000 Yeah.

02:01:31.000 And that's the thing he was winning.

02:01:33.000 He's beating Boric and he was beating Corrales.

02:01:35.000 The fights that he lost, I mean, so hyper aggressive.

02:01:38.000 And that's part of the problem.

02:01:38.000 Yeah.

02:01:39.000 But it's also because he's so fucking good. 0.98

02:01:41.000 But he's got the best left hook to the body since Paul Daly. 0.98

02:01:44.000 Oh, it's so smooth.

02:01:45.000 It's beautiful.

02:01:45.000 Oh, my God.

02:01:46.000 I mean, just his left hook period.

02:01:48.000 It's like such a whip.

02:01:49.000 The technique is so smooth.

02:01:51.000 It's so nice.

02:01:52.000 So I got to ask you about the Joe Schilling fight because it was such a weird stoppage where Joe just decided.

02:01:59.000 That's it.

02:02:00.000 So his opponent headbutts him.

02:02:00.000 I'm quitting.

02:02:02.000 Yeah.

02:02:03.000 And then Mike Beltran, who's a great referee, takes a point away.

02:02:07.000 He did take a point.

02:02:08.000 And then puts him right back in the same position.

02:02:09.000 Okay, stop.

02:02:10.000 That's not exactly what happened in the end.

02:02:12.000 It's not?

02:02:12.000 Nope.

02:02:13.000 Well, it is what happened.

02:02:14.000 Yes, you're right.

02:02:15.000 But when you have a situation like that and you have the headbutt, Mike Beltran calls a stop, calls timeout, right?

02:02:21.000 Gets him up off of their feet and tries to put Joe on.

02:02:25.000 Joe's pissed.

02:02:26.000 And I understand why Joe's pissed.

02:02:27.000 You know, he's saying, hey, first off, Joe's 42 years of age.

02:02:31.000 He doesn't come there to be fouled.

02:02:32.000 He's trying to.

02:02:33.000 You know, he's going to fight.

02:02:34.000 Okay.

02:02:35.000 You know, and the whole thing is look at the look where his hands are.

02:02:39.000 They're overhooked right now.

02:02:41.000 The other guy's got his hands on the ground.

02:02:44.000 So, you know, you don't want your hands on the ground.

02:02:48.000 So, Joe's in a decent part to at least if he wants to defend himself.

02:02:53.000 So, when he gets up, he's pissed off and everything.

02:02:56.000 And then Beltran takes a point from the opponent and asks Joe, Do you want to stand up or do you want back on the ground?

02:03:06.000 And Joe picked, I want to be back on the ground.

02:03:09.000 Okay.

02:03:10.000 Why do you give your why do you why are you allowed to make a decision?

02:03:14.000 You're allowed to make the decision because you were the one that was fouled in a normal situation.

02:03:18.000 He said, I want to be back on the ground.

02:03:20.000 He said, I want to be back on the ground.

02:03:21.000 That seems crazy.

02:03:22.000 I agree with you.

02:03:23.000 It's not what you would expect out of Joe Schilling, world class world champion kickboxer.

02:03:27.000 Exactly.

02:03:28.000 And so with that, you got to, you know, he's the one that fell.

02:03:28.000 Yeah.

02:03:31.000 If the person on top is the one fouling, normally we're going to say they're going to lose their position.

02:03:36.000 But there are many grapplers and people that have a hard time getting that person down.

02:03:41.000 And so we went back to saying, all right, we're going to give the person who was fouled the opportunity to make a decision.

02:03:49.000 Normally, we're going to put it back on the feet.

02:03:51.000 But if you want to put it back on the ground, I'll put it back there.

02:03:54.000 But you're going to be in the same position as you were when the foul occurred.

02:03:57.000 Right.

02:03:57.000 And that's what Mike Beltran went to do.

02:04:00.000 And so he starts to put him back.

02:04:03.000 You have Abana, the opponent, and he starts to put his hands on Joe's biceps.

02:04:09.000 If you watch when they start to put him back on the ground.

02:04:13.000 Joe tries to do the overhook.

02:04:14.000 You saw the overhook, and Abaynad starts to put his hand on the biceps.

02:04:19.000 He did it on the left bicep, right?

02:04:21.000 Yeah.

02:04:22.000 And so it's not a matter of, you know, Beltran wasn't there to start the fight yet.

02:04:26.000 He's got to put him in that position.

02:04:27.000 But Joe, once that bicep thing started happening, he got mad and he said, I'm done.

02:04:32.000 I want to stop the fight.

02:04:35.000 You can't make somebody fight.

02:04:37.000 If someone says, I want out of the fight, they're out of the fight.

02:04:40.000 So Beltran was in a position where he says, he wants out of the fight.

02:04:45.000 He started, he fouled me, and that's what he's saying.

02:04:47.000 And now he feels like he's not going to be put back in that same position, but he hadn't been.

02:04:51.000 It's not like Beltran started it.

02:04:54.000 He's trying to put him back in the same position when Joe's kind of just losing his steam and getting pissed off.

02:05:00.000 And so, you know, I look and say, look, if you're going to be that pissed off, it's a good thing you're not fighting because you don't fight smart and you're going to end up getting hurt.

02:05:07.000 But he's the one that decided that.

02:05:10.000 So he clearly has two overhooks at the end of the fight.

02:05:14.000 At this time of the foul, he's got an overhook.

02:05:18.000 Both sides.

02:05:19.000 Yeah.

02:05:20.000 The right one's not totally over.

02:05:20.000 Well, sort of.

02:05:22.000 But he's holding the back of the tricep, so you're going to say, okay.

02:05:25.000 So that's where he's at.

02:05:26.000 Look where the opponent's hands are at.

02:05:28.000 Opponent's hands are under his shoulders.

02:05:29.000 Yeah.

02:05:31.000 Okay, so that's where it should be started.

02:05:34.000 But he never gave Beltran the actual ability and time to say, no, no, put your hand here.

02:05:39.000 And you can see Beltran starts to, you know, as Abana starts to try to put his hands on the biceps, Beltran's starting to put them underneath.

02:05:48.000 You don't want to go back to the ground.

02:05:48.000 So it's not Beltran.

02:05:51.000 Uh, you know, that's the real question, and in you know, all I know is at 42 years of age, you know, you're looking and saying, you know, Joe Schilling can fight.

02:05:59.000 You know, Joe Schilling, he was a gangster, no doubt about it.

02:06:03.000 And he, at this point, is you know, is he looking to become a champion?

02:06:09.000 No, he's not looking to be a champion.

02:06:11.000 So, I'm taking the fight for what reason for money.

02:06:14.000 And so, I think he just looked at it, and based upon, well, this is not what I expected. 0.99

02:06:18.000 I expected a fair fight, I expected us to, you know, fight like professionals, and this dipshit is now headbutting me. 0.98

02:06:24.000 He just got pissed and he lost his cool with it. 0.94

02:06:26.000 And when he wasn't being put back right away into that same position where he thought the guy is now trying to up again, take another advantage, it just sent him off the end and he said, I'm done.

02:06:37.000 Right.

02:06:37.000 He just got too emotional.

02:06:38.000 You got too emotional with it.

02:06:39.000 That's a bummer.

02:06:40.000 Yeah, it is because Joe's a great guy.

02:06:42.000 When you fought at the level he's fought at, you expect a certain level of professionalism.

02:06:46.000 And when you have these young guys that come in, it feels a little disrespectful.

02:06:50.000 Like, you knew where you were at.

02:06:51.000 Why are you trying to game the system right now?

02:06:53.000 He just headbutted him.

02:06:54.000 Yeah.

02:06:54.000 Which is crazy.

02:06:55.000 Oh, and there's a lot of people saying, well, you know, I don't think it really hit him.

02:06:58.000 It hit him in the jaw.

02:06:59.000 It didn't hit him head to head.

02:06:59.000 Okay.

02:07:00.000 And you're not allowed to use your head as a striking instrument.

02:07:03.000 And it's pretty clear that he was trying to do that.

02:07:03.000 It's a foul.

02:07:05.000 Yes.

02:07:06.000 It wasn't as simple as like positioning his head to try to get a better.

02:07:09.000 We say you can use your head as a steering instrument, as a third arm.

02:07:12.000 You can press with it.

02:07:13.000 You can do a lot of uncomfortable things with it.

02:07:17.000 You cannot pick it up and bring it back to strike.

02:07:20.000 And it was clear that that's what he did.

02:07:21.000 That's exactly what he did.

02:07:22.000 I think it's just very awkward for a lot of people that see Joe Schilling in his past fights.

02:07:26.000 He's been through it all.

02:07:27.000 And then for him to get super frustrated this way, it was a lot of people who questioned him.

02:07:31.000 I'm like, I don't question it all because you expect, like I said, a certain level of professionalism.

02:07:35.000 Like, we know that we're both going out there to fight and knock each other out.

02:07:38.000 Why do you got to cheat?

02:07:40.000 There's a certain set of rules that we're doing this under, right?

02:07:43.000 And now you're taking those rules and just tossing them to the side, like, you know, this doesn't mean something.

02:07:48.000 No, it means something to me.

02:07:49.000 You know, I'm 42 years of age, and I don't expect someone to be fouling me just on purpose.

02:07:54.000 And look, the whole, no matter what, that was, you know, right now we use intent, okay?

02:08:01.000 That was intentional.

02:08:02.000 Right.

02:08:02.000 He did something.

02:08:03.000 I call it malicious.

02:08:04.000 It's a malicious attack on him.

02:08:06.000 You know, you're maliciously trying to inflict an injury on someone through a foul.

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:12.000 Yeah, no doubt.

02:08:13.000 Did you watch the MVP fights?

02:08:15.000 Yes.

02:08:15.000 What was your takeaway on that?

02:08:18.000 The overall card, as well as the Gina and Ronda fight.

02:08:21.000 I mean, look, when you're coming in as your first time putting on a promotion, there's no way it's all going to be smooth.

02:08:28.000 It's not possible.

02:08:29.000 There's no way.

02:08:31.000 You're also not dealing with the same caliber of names other than Gina and Ronda and Francis.

02:08:40.000 The Mike Perry, Nate Diaz fight was.

02:08:44.000 When was the last time Nate fought MMA?

02:08:47.000 Probably six years.

02:08:47.000 It's been a while.

02:08:48.000 It's been a while.

02:08:49.000 Yeah, probably somewhere around there.

02:08:51.000 Yeah.

02:08:51.000 Which is kind of crazy.

02:08:52.000 Right? 0.98

02:08:52.000 And Mike has been fighting bare knuckle and fucking people up for quite a while. 0.98

02:08:57.000 Dude. 1.00

02:08:58.000 He's an animal, dude.

02:09:00.000 He's found his sport, though.

02:09:02.000 2022.

02:09:03.000 So four years ago.

02:09:04.000 Four years ago, he beat Tony Ferguson.

02:09:06.000 But he's found his way.

02:09:08.000 This is stylistically the best thing he could do for his career fight bare knuckle, fight boxing.

02:09:13.000 This is the best thing for him.

02:09:15.000 And Mike is like.

02:09:17.000 Uniquely talented at Bare Knuckle.

02:09:19.000 Oh, like uniquely.

02:09:20.000 He's made.

02:09:21.000 Look, I'm being honest.

02:09:22.000 I used him as my demonstrator for Andy Foster, the executive officer in California, and he didn't like Bare Knuckle.

02:09:32.000 I wrote the rules for Bare Knuckle long ago.

02:09:35.000 Dave Feldman came to me and said, Hey, I need rules written for me.

02:09:39.000 I'm trying to legalize this.

02:09:42.000 Someone that I knew hooked him up with me, and I said, Look, I'll write your rules.

02:09:46.000 And I gave him two prices.

02:09:48.000 I said, I'm not doing it for free. 1.00

02:09:49.000 It's too much of a pain in the ass. 0.99

02:09:51.000 So, here's my two prices. 0.99

02:09:52.000 My one price is you don't say who wrote them and you just use them.

02:09:56.000 And the other price is you say who wrote them.

02:09:57.000 And it was because I knew I was going to get in trouble for doing this.

02:10:02.000 And, you know, oh, what does John McCarthy think he's doing?

02:10:04.000 Now he's writing rules for that.

02:10:05.000 Did you write the rules for slap fights?

02:10:06.000 No. 0.95

02:10:07.000 I don't like slap fights. 0.95

02:10:09.000 I hate those.

02:10:10.000 But, so.

02:10:12.000 You can't defend yourself.

02:10:13.000 That's it. 1.00

02:10:13.000 That's the only fucking rule. 1.00

02:10:14.000 That's the dumbest thing ever. 1.00

02:10:16.000 So. 1.00

02:10:17.000 Crazy.

02:10:19.000 Have you seen the other.

02:10:20.000 They just run at each other.

02:10:21.000 Oh, that's even worse.

02:10:22.000 They're like, hold my beer. 1.00

02:10:23.000 You think slap fighting is retarded? 1.00

02:10:23.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:10:25.000 Hold my beer.

02:10:25.000 We're just going to run at each other.

02:10:27.000 That's what it's called.

02:10:28.000 Run it. 0.96

02:10:29.000 Those things are crazy.

02:10:29.000 Right?

02:10:30.000 But the whole thing with the Mike Perry thing is trying to get athletic commissions to start to understand because they're all into this thing.

02:10:30.000 It's crazy.

02:10:38.000 Joe, it's like you take a look at MMA. 0.92

02:10:40.000 I'm allowed to hit you with a shin to the dome like you talked about. 0.99

02:10:45.000 I'm allowed to take my knee and hit it to your dome. 1.00

02:10:48.000 I'm allowed to take my elbow and smash you even when your head's against the ground. 0.99

02:10:52.000 I'm allowed to do all these things.

02:10:54.000 But my bare fist is the big problem.

02:10:57.000 It's kind of funny. 0.96

02:10:58.000 Oh, it's ridiculous.

02:10:59.000 But it's perception, and perception is a real problem because people believe what they're saying. 0.98

02:11:05.000 Oh, it's horrible.

02:11:06.000 So, you know, Andy Foster was one of the ones that he didn't like it.

02:11:09.000 And I said, Andy, you know, I tried saying, look, go through those whole things with the shin, the knee, the elbow.

02:11:15.000 And he goes, yeah, I know.

02:11:16.000 He says, I just don't like it.

02:11:18.000 I said, Andy, I need you to look at it this way then.

02:11:21.000 I go, there are people out there that are made for boxing Floyd Mayweather, Terrence Crawford, Canelo Alvarez.

02:11:28.000 They're made to be a boxer.

02:11:30.000 They have all this technical skill.

02:11:32.000 They're just unbelievable.

02:11:32.000 You know what?

02:11:34.000 I said, there's these guys, same thing in MMA.

02:11:36.000 There's the George St. Pierre's.

02:11:38.000 You know, you got the Alexander Volkanovskis. 0.99

02:11:39.000 You got all these people, you know, that are, you know, Islam Makachev was the last one I used. 0.99

02:11:44.000 I said, they're made for MMA. 0.94

02:11:47.000 I go, Mike Perry was an MMA fighter.

02:11:50.000 I said, he's not made for MMA.

02:11:53.000 He's a tough guy.

02:11:54.000 I go, but bare knuckle, he was made for.

02:11:58.000 I said, and this is a guy who can make a living fighting for bare knuckle.

02:12:03.000 He can pay his bills.

02:12:04.000 He can support his family fighting bare knuckle.

02:12:08.000 And become a star.

02:12:09.000 I said, and.

02:12:10.000 Possibly get you know sponsors and everything that are gonna make it so you can live the rest of his life.

02:12:17.000 I said, and you're gonna say that you want to take that away because of a bare fist.

02:12:23.000 I go, it just doesn't make sense to me.

02:12:25.000 He looks at me, he goes, You're right.

02:12:26.000 The best thing that could have happened to him was him leaving, like him being released from the UFC.

02:12:30.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

02:12:33.000 You got an old timey ring, Andy Foster's calling you.

02:12:38.000 Put him on speakerphone.

02:12:40.000 You want to do it?

02:12:41.000 I don't want to put.

02:12:42.000 Andy under a spot like that.

02:12:44.000 And Andy's done such a great job.

02:12:46.000 He does things that people don't realize.

02:12:50.000 He's now got a license plate that's out for retired fighters to try to get them a retirement.

02:12:56.000 He's got a retirement for boxers already that was set.

02:12:59.000 He's been doing things to try to get a retirement fund for a Josh Thompson who fought 15 times in California.

02:13:05.000 19.

02:13:05.000 I looked it up.

02:13:06.000 Okay.

02:13:06.000 Is it 19?

02:13:07.000 I'm wrong.

02:13:08.000 19 times in California.

02:13:10.000 He can get an actual retirement.

02:13:12.000 Now, it's not going to be a retirement that he gets paid every month or.

02:13:15.000 They'll give him a large sum of money that he can then go.

02:13:18.000 He can go to a trade school.

02:13:19.000 He can go to, he could buy a house.

02:13:21.000 He can do these things as a down payment.

02:13:24.000 Andy just put in a thing.

02:13:26.000 It just got turned down because of a staffer.

02:13:28.000 It was Assembly Bill 2130 in California.

02:13:32.000 And that Assembly Bill was no money out of the taxpayers' money, zero taxpayer money.

02:13:38.000 It's about sponsorship. 0.98

02:13:40.000 A dumbass like me as a referee has to wear a sponsor's thing on my shirt. 0.99

02:13:45.000 That will then. 0.99

02:13:47.000 75% of it went to retired fighters.

02:13:51.000 25% of it went to training for upcoming and in service officials, both judges and referees.

02:14:01.000 What's the negative?

02:14:02.000 There is no negative, but you get these people in politics that sit there and go, oh, I don't like this.

02:14:09.000 You want to know what their negative was?

02:14:10.000 This is in California, by the way.

02:14:11.000 Yeah, this is in California.

02:14:12.000 California is the best state for decisions.

02:14:15.000 But their whole thing was.

02:14:18.000 As we both live in Texas.

02:14:20.000 Think about this.

02:14:21.000 We all left there.

02:14:21.000 We all.

02:14:24.000 But their whole thing was, well, that would allow the sponsor to say that they're basically part of California and they're running, they're doing things for California.

02:14:32.000 It's like they are doing things for California. 0.94

02:14:34.000 They're helping the people that fucking put on fucking entertaining fights and things for people here. 1.00

02:14:40.000 It's ridiculous. 1.00

02:14:41.000 There was nothing good. 0.80

02:14:42.000 There's some great people in California.

02:14:44.000 There are.

02:14:45.000 You know, and there's some great assembly people.

02:14:45.000 Sure.

02:14:47.000 I just did a whole thing for, you know, Heath Flora, who's an assemblyman there, and he's putting up a bill about you being able to, If you protect somebody other than yourself and from somebody that's trying to do something, he's trying to make it to where they can't civilly go after you.

02:15:03.000 Makes sense.

02:15:04.000 You're doing the right thing.

02:15:04.000 Yeah.

02:15:05.000 Right.

02:15:06.000 But no, there's people fighting against it.

02:15:08.000 It's just politics.

02:15:08.000 Why?

02:15:11.000 Politics suck. 1.00

02:15:12.000 They suck in California. 1.00

02:15:14.000 My dad always used to say think about the word politics. 1.00

02:15:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:17.000 Poly, meaning many, ticks, blood sucking little insect.

02:15:25.000 It's a bummer. 0.99

02:15:26.000 It's a bummer.

02:15:27.000 It's crazy.

02:15:28.000 And then did you see that Coker's returning to MMA?

02:15:32.000 I did.

02:15:33.000 Give me your tip.

02:15:34.000 I like Scott a lot, but good luck.

02:15:38.000 You only have $60 million.

02:15:40.000 When I saw it was only $60 million, I was like, that sounds like a lot of money until you think about putting on an MMA promotion and then getting television production and then paying fighters and then securing venues and then having staff full time for like, maybe.

02:15:40.000 Yeah.

02:15:58.000 You know, you got Tony Hawk with you?

02:16:00.000 Yeah.

02:16:00.000 Maybe.

02:16:00.000 I mean, look, I'm rooting for him.

02:16:02.000 I think he did great when he was running Glory as well as when he was running Bellator back in the day.

02:16:07.000 He's a really nice guy.

02:16:08.000 Yeah.

02:16:09.000 I think it's great for everybody if there's more competition.

02:16:12.000 I think this whole MVP thing and the Netflix thing is great.

02:16:16.000 It stirred a bunch of cash into the organization.

02:16:18.000 A bunch of people got more money than they would have ever gotten anywhere else.

02:16:22.000 I'm more options, the better.

02:16:22.000 Awesome.

02:16:25.000 I think just, you know, I hope he could do it.

02:16:25.000 Yeah.

02:16:28.000 Yeah.

02:16:29.000 I think a lot of us, I think a lot of people do because I think it's hard.

02:16:32.000 As they do grow promotions, right?

02:16:34.000 The fighters get more experience on a high level competition.

02:16:37.000 You get to fight fighters from all around the world.

02:16:39.000 I'm just excited for more promotions to be involved.

02:16:41.000 Yeah, more promotions is good.

02:16:43.000 More options is good.

02:16:44.000 More money is what we really want.

02:16:46.000 The fighters need to get more money.

02:16:48.000 It's always going to be the UFC here.

02:16:49.000 Yeah.

02:16:50.000 You know, and ultimately it just comes down like you need more people to build up to get to that level. 0.98

02:16:55.000 Damn a good XFL game that you watched. 0.98

02:16:58.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

02:16:59.000 Yeah, it's true.

02:17:00.000 Nothing wrong.

02:17:00.000 I'm sure there's great athletes.

02:17:02.000 But it's the whole thing, and you're part of it.

02:17:04.000 You know, What you did with the UFC and how you made it exciting for people when you were calling fights.

02:17:10.000 You know, it's a people now, a lot of them, they don't even know the fighters that are on the card, but they'll turn it on when it says UFC because they believe in the product.

02:17:19.000 Right.

02:17:19.000 Yep.

02:17:20.000 And that's what you're supposed to do as the company and for marketing.

02:17:24.000 But the one problem I do think they have right now is they're unable to market people like they did when you and I were early in it and stuff.

02:17:32.000 You know, they now are in a position every week.

02:17:36.000 And so it's tough to market.

02:17:38.000 You know, those guys who are not well known.

02:17:41.000 If you're not.

02:17:41.000 Fight nights, a lot of times, the casuals have no idea there's even a fight night.

02:17:45.000 And some of them are fucking insane. 0.99

02:17:45.000 Exactly. 0.99

02:17:47.000 Some of the best shows we talk about all the time.

02:17:49.000 It's like, you know, the card itself rates, if you're looking at it, honestly, it rates a five.

02:17:55.000 It rates a 5.5.

02:17:57.000 On paper.

02:17:57.000 And then you'll watch it and it's a 9.5.

02:17:59.000 It's kidding.

02:17:59.000 Yeah.

02:18:00.000 Yeah.

02:18:01.000 They're working to get to the top.

02:18:02.000 Those are the hardcore fans.

02:18:02.000 Yeah.

02:18:03.000 They got something to prove.

02:18:04.000 Yeah.

02:18:04.000 And for hardcore fans, it's like giving them constant food.

02:18:07.000 Yeah, or drugs.

02:18:09.000 Yeah, right.

02:18:11.000 But it's giving them that dopamine.

02:18:13.000 It's over.

02:18:13.000 It is the thing when you look at it, it's the hardcore fan that the UFC has, but the casual one's the one that puts it over.

02:18:19.000 Yep.

02:18:20.000 And it's hard to get people to understand.

02:18:22.000 You need to get the casuals, the ones that don't watch fights all the time.

02:18:25.000 And that's the one thing I'll give Ronda Rousey, man. 0.99

02:18:27.000 I thought she did an amazing job of talking.

02:18:31.000 100%.

02:18:32.000 And putting things out there the way she did. 0.95

02:18:35.000 She got people's attention.

02:18:36.000 She did what was her job.

02:18:38.000 Yeah, and 17 million people were watching that.

02:18:41.000 That's huge.

02:18:42.000 It's all good for everybody.

02:18:42.000 That's huge.

02:18:44.000 It's good for the sport.

02:18:45.000 It's great for the sport.

02:18:45.000 It's like, that's what we need.

02:18:46.000 We need more competition, more eyeballs on it.

02:18:51.000 And unfortunately, for the people that are casuals, it has to be a name. 0.93

02:18:55.000 You know, it has to, like, this Conor McGregor fight in July is going to be fucking bananas. 0.96

02:18:59.000 It's going to be bananas. 0.93

02:19:00.000 I mean, people are going to go crazy for the return of Conor McGregor because he's a giant personality.

02:19:04.000 But don't expect the same test.

02:19:06.000 How could he?

02:19:07.000 You just can't.

02:19:07.000 He hasn't fought in five years, right?

02:19:08.000 That's exactly it.

02:19:09.000 It's been five years.

02:19:10.000 But that's the problem.

02:19:11.000 Might be more.

02:19:12.000 Because they're going to all fight.

02:19:13.000 I think it is a little over five.

02:19:15.000 It's almost six, I think.

02:19:16.000 It might be six at the time of the fight.

02:19:18.000 It might be six.

02:19:18.000 I think it's five.

02:19:19.000 I think it's five right now.

02:19:22.000 Are we expecting to see a Conor that looked like Nate this last fight?

02:19:25.000 Or are we expecting to see a better Conor than someone that looked like Nate?

02:19:27.000 Because Nate did not look good.

02:19:29.000 No, but Mike Perry did. 1.00

02:19:31.000 Mike Perry looked like a fucking murderer. 1.00

02:19:33.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:19:33.000 Mike Perry is a murderer. 1.00

02:19:35.000 He's a murderer. 1.00

02:19:37.000 Such a sad thing. 1.00

02:19:38.000 You take a look at that.

02:19:39.000 When you're taking an older fighter, which Nate is now, and you're 21. 0.98

02:19:44.000 Five fucking years ago, July. 0.78

02:19:45.000 So it literally will be six years. 0.99

02:19:47.000 Yeah.

02:19:49.000 Oh, no, it'll be five years.

02:19:50.000 It'll be five years.

02:19:51.000 When you're taking a younger fighter and putting them against the old dog, it normally doesn't end well for the old dog.

02:19:58.000 Well, the thing is about Max Holloway is like Max Holloway.

02:20:01.000 That much younger than Connor.

02:20:01.000 No, he's young.

02:20:04.000 But the thing is, Max has been in constant high level competition the entire time.

02:20:04.000 He's not.

02:20:08.000 Won the BMF fight, beat Dustin, like constant high level competition.

02:20:13.000 That's right.

02:20:14.000 It's a different thing.

02:20:14.000 And I honestly believe him at 155 is the best thing for him.

02:20:17.000 Absolutely.

02:20:18.000 But he's not 155 in this fight.

02:20:20.000 He's 170.

02:20:21.000 But honestly, he may be better.

02:20:22.000 He might be better.

02:20:23.000 No weight cutting at all.

02:20:24.000 Just no weight cut, just kind of walk around.

02:20:25.000 And also, knowing this is such a high profile fight, Max is always in insane shape. 0.97

02:20:30.000 But particularly in this fight, he's going to be in fucking insane shape. 0.91

02:20:33.000 And his last fight, he took almost no damage. 0.98

02:20:36.000 He got taken down, controlled, back taken.

02:20:39.000 There was not a lot of damage to him.

02:20:40.000 No, just frustration.

02:20:41.000 Yeah, frustration. 1.00

02:20:42.000 Bro, Charles looked like a motherfucker. 1.00

02:20:45.000 He's so good. 1.00

02:20:45.000 Dude, he's so good. 1.00

02:20:47.000 Good everywhere, too. 0.92

02:20:48.000 And on the ground, he's just so goddamn dangerous. 1.00

02:20:51.000 And it just makes you think, how good is Islam? 1.00

02:20:54.000 Because Islam just smushed him. 1.00

02:20:55.000 I can tell you, he's really good. 1.00

02:20:56.000 I mean, it's kind of crazy, though, when you think about how strong Charles's grappling is and how Islam just. 1.00

02:21:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:21:06.000 Dude, he called it.

02:21:07.000 That's.

02:21:08.000 He said, he goes, Islam is going to submit, Charles.

02:21:08.000 He called it.

02:21:12.000 And he goes, and he's going to submit it with a head and arm choke.

02:21:15.000 I said Kimura or head and arm choke.

02:21:17.000 I said either one for sure. 1.00

02:21:18.000 I go, shut up. 1.00

02:21:19.000 Okay, just shut up. 1.00

02:21:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:21:21.000 He's not going to do that.

02:21:22.000 I said he would do it before three rounds.

02:21:23.000 He did it, you know, obviously very quick.

02:21:25.000 But it was.

02:21:26.000 His grappling is just otherworldly.

02:21:28.000 And the way he secures that darce by grabbing the forearm, I've seen a lot of guys try that now.

02:21:33.000 A lot of guys are going to that now.

02:21:34.000 Because you don't have to get as deep.

02:21:36.000 So you just go through and then it's right at the top and then. 0.90

02:21:40.000 Cover the head with your chest and just suck it in.

02:21:42.000 You see people doing things all. 0.99

02:21:43.000 We always talk about, back a long time ago, figure four in the body.

02:21:48.000 We go, don't do that.

02:21:48.000 They step the foot inside, it's going to crank you.

02:21:51.000 How about that guillotine?

02:21:51.000 It's bad.

02:21:52.000 They just had the girl do it. 1.00

02:21:54.000 Guillotine that AJ McKee does. 1.00

02:21:56.000 Oh, the McKee atine.

02:21:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:21:58.000 How about that fucking thing? 1.00

02:22:00.000 How come no one's doing that? 1.00

02:22:02.000 That's the whole thing.

02:22:03.000 Okay, look at what that is.

02:22:04.000 When he did that, I was like, wait.

02:22:04.000 Body styles.

02:22:06.000 Yeah, his body style.

02:22:07.000 He's long to reach him.

02:22:07.000 He's so long.

02:22:08.000 Especially at 145.

02:22:09.000 He's huge for 145.

02:22:11.000 Yeah.

02:22:11.000 He's a big boy.

02:22:12.000 But Grant Dawson just did the genie choke.

02:22:15.000 Okay.

02:22:17.000 How many times have you seen that done in competition?

02:22:18.000 But I've seen it in the grappling room all the time.

02:22:22.000 Guys doing it, right?

02:22:23.000 And all of a sudden, people are like, never seen that.

02:22:25.000 And it's like, dude, it's been around forever.

02:22:27.000 Well, it's like when we talked about Edson Barboza knocking out Terry Edham.

02:22:30.000 How did we get to that fight before that was the first wheel kick KO?

02:22:33.000 Well, we've seen a ton of them since then, but that was the first one?

02:22:36.000 Like, that doesn't even make sense.

02:22:37.000 When Anderson Silva front kicked Vitor in the face, we were like, wait, hold on.

02:22:41.000 You could do that?

02:22:43.000 Like, I remember Eddie and I having a conversation about kicks, and he goes, what do you think about front kicks in the face?

02:22:47.000 I'm like, eh, it doesn't really land that often.

02:22:51.000 Incorrect.

02:22:52.000 And then Machita does it to Randy, and then Machita does it to Vitor.

02:22:55.000 Oh, my God.

02:22:56.000 So Vitor's been on the receiving end twice on that kick.

02:22:59.000 Yeah, man.

02:22:59.000 I mean, there's been a bunch of them now.

02:23:01.000 Now you see a lot of front kicks to the face because it's such an unexpected thing, especially if a guy's, you know, you're getting hit to the body with it a bunch and you're getting used to doing this, and then donk, it hits you right on the chin.

02:23:13.000 It's just such an unexpected technique.

02:23:16.000 Every time we think that we're not going to see something new, something new pops up.

02:23:19.000 But the crazy thing about front kicks is it's literally the first thing you ever get taught.

02:23:22.000 Yeah.

02:23:23.000 When you learn how to kick, that's the first thing you ever get taught.

02:23:25.000 The idea of there being a new use for the first thing you ever learn is kind of crazy.

02:23:30.000 A little snap kick.

02:23:31.000 Yeah.

02:23:32.000 It's nuts.

02:23:33.000 I mean, karate, like, that's day one.

02:23:35.000 Like, that's it.

02:23:37.000 Just like that.

02:23:39.000 It's kicking.

02:23:40.000 Exactly.

02:23:40.000 And that's what it looks like, too.

02:23:41.000 Like, all goofy and shit. 0.99

02:23:43.000 The fact that that's the kick that. 0.99

02:23:45.000 And then calf kicks, of course.

02:23:47.000 Like, that's number one.

02:23:48.000 You know, it's interesting because Cub Swanson is actually saying that he was the first guy to throw calf kicks.

02:23:54.000 He was saying, like, no, no, no.

02:23:56.000 Go back to like 2011.

02:23:57.000 I was landing calf kicks.

02:23:58.000 I forget who he fought. 0.99

02:24:00.000 They said he fucked somebody up with a calf kick. 0.97

02:24:02.000 Well, then I'll tell you before that, Benson was the one. 0.99

02:24:04.000 Benson was one of the early ones.

02:24:06.000 George Mosvidal.

02:24:07.000 Yes.

02:24:07.000 Really?

02:24:08.000 He was doing it in Strike Force in 2007, 2008.

02:24:11.000 Really?

02:24:12.000 Around that time.

02:24:13.000 If you look at ATT as a team, they do calf kicks all the time.

02:24:20.000 That is a huge weapon that they use.

02:24:21.000 You go back and watch Mosvidal when he fought KJ Nunes and how he just destroyed KJ Nunes and he was kept kicking him to the calf.

02:24:28.000 To the head kick, to the body shots, to the boxing.

02:24:31.000 He just pieced him up.

02:24:32.000 I just forgot how good Mazvidal was.

02:24:34.000 Oh, he was a legendary.

02:24:34.000 When he knocked out Eve Edwards for the head kick, people really sleep on Mazvidal.

02:24:40.000 Mazvidal was slick.

02:24:40.000 He was so good.

02:24:42.000 When he knocked out Cowboy, people were like, oh.

02:24:44.000 When he knocked out Darren Till, Darren Till?

02:24:45.000 How about that one?

02:24:46.000 That one was bananas.

02:24:47.000 That step in hook.

02:24:48.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:24:49.000 Woo.

02:24:49.000 Yeah, because that was a weight class above what he normally fought.

02:24:51.000 Yep.

02:24:52.000 Yep.

02:24:52.000 You know, he was one of those sleeping guys.

02:24:54.000 But he was better when he went up, just like most guys are.

02:24:57.000 But he never got the credit he deserved.

02:24:59.000 Everywhere he went, whether it was Strike Force, into the UFC, he never got.

02:25:02.000 Credit until he started doing things that people didn't think he could do.

02:25:05.000 You know, when he knocked out, like you said, Darren Till, the running across the cage with Ben Asker, and like those kind of things.

02:25:05.000 Right.

02:25:10.000 He had no love up until those moments.

02:25:12.000 It's true. 0.97

02:25:12.000 That guy was always nasty. 0.97

02:25:13.000 Always. 0.97

02:25:14.000 Dude, all the way back to his street fighting days with Kimbo. 0.85

02:25:14.000 Yeah. 0.85

02:25:17.000 Right.

02:25:18.000 Those videos.

02:25:18.000 He had some good ones.

02:25:20.000 Yeah.

02:25:21.000 I had this, I wanted to ask you this because I look at these guys now.

02:25:24.000 What is it with the younger fighters that can't get past the old dogs?

02:25:27.000 Like Dustin doesn't have to retire.

02:25:29.000 Justin Gacy doesn't have to retire.

02:25:30.000 They're still ranked in number two and number three.

02:25:32.000 What are you seeing on your side that makes you think like, These young guys, these old guys, they're not going softly into the night.

02:25:39.000 They're not letting these guys come by.

02:25:40.000 Why can't the younger guys get past them?

02:25:43.000 Patty not being able to get past Justin.

02:25:44.000 Patty was not at Justin's level with stand up.

02:25:48.000 Justin's level is quite a bit.

02:25:51.000 First of all, Justin is an elite grappler.

02:25:55.000 So, what is Patty going to do?

02:25:56.000 Is he going to take him down? 0.74

02:25:58.000 That's no picnic. 0.99

02:25:59.000 And standing up with Justin, Justin has some of the nastiest fucking leg kicks in the sport. 0.99

02:26:04.000 I wish he'd use them more. 0.99

02:26:05.000 I know, right?

02:26:05.000 Remember when he used to throw them from the clinch?

02:26:07.000 Yeah.

02:26:08.000 Like, he's in tight with you and he's kicking down on your legs.

02:26:11.000 And you're like, how are you moving your hips like that? 0.89

02:26:13.000 He was an animal. 0.59

02:26:15.000 He still is an animal.

02:26:16.000 It's like he's not, he hasn't faded.

02:26:19.000 You know, Justin's not faded.

02:26:20.000 That Fazif fight, Fazif is an elite world class striker and he beat him up standing.

02:26:25.000 Yep.

02:26:25.000 Nice.

02:26:26.000 Yeah, he hasn't faded.

02:26:28.000 Justin hasn't faded.

02:26:29.000 He's just 36 or whatever he is, 37.

02:26:32.000 I think he's losing, but you got to have a passion for the sport.

02:26:38.000 And I think Daniel says, look, if you're not 100% in, don't do this.

02:26:44.000 And he's right.

02:26:45.000 And I think there comes that point where it just gets to that.

02:26:48.000 You know what?

02:26:49.000 There's other things out in the world that I want to start doing and things.

02:26:52.000 Do you think Justin's at that spot right now?

02:26:53.000 I'm not too sure he's at this spot, but I think he's thought about it based upon some of the performances and the tight fights he's had.

02:27:00.000 I think the fight with Max Holloway made him kind of think about it.

02:27:04.000 That was a tough fight for him all the way through.

02:27:06.000 All the way through.

02:27:07.000 All the way through.

02:27:08.000 I think he lives a comfortable life.

02:27:10.000 I think he lives a good life.

02:27:11.000 He enjoys playing golf with the boys.

02:27:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:27:13.000 You know, he's another guy.

02:27:16.000 I know he's like, oh, I've spent money.

02:27:18.000 I need to make more money and this and that.

02:27:20.000 He also, to me, every time I take a look and when people talk about him, I think that he's done pretty well for himself.

02:27:25.000 I think he's doing well for himself.

02:27:27.000 I don't think he's in any danger where he's losing the passion of it.

02:27:31.000 Well, I did the Naked Gun, or whatever, the second edition of the Naked Gun with Liam Neeson.

02:27:37.000 And we had Kamaro Uzman and Justin Gaetje, who were two of the fighters in it, right?

02:27:42.000 And he was hysterical throughout the whole thing, right?

02:27:45.000 And he's such a button pusher with Kamaro.

02:27:48.000 Kamaro would say, okay, let's go easy.

02:27:49.000 And all of a sudden, Justin's doing something crazy.

02:27:51.000 And Kamaro's like, What the hell's wrong with you?

02:27:55.000 He loves life.

02:27:56.000 He enjoys life.

02:27:58.000 And I think that there comes a point where he always had that attitude when he was undefeated.

02:28:03.000 He goes, Someone's going to knock me out.

02:28:04.000 He's honest about things.

02:28:06.000 And I love that about him that he doesn't sit there and he doesn't play the, Oh, well, we'll see.

02:28:11.000 He's honest.

02:28:11.000 And he tells you, You know what?

02:28:13.000 This may be my last one.

02:28:14.000 And he's thought about it.

02:28:15.000 And if he's thought about it, it's telling you it's a thought process is there.

02:28:19.000 How far will it go?

02:28:20.000 If he has a great performance against Ilya, I think he'll stick around.

02:28:25.000 Maybe.

02:28:26.000 Unfortunately, I kind of think I'd rather see him go away.

02:28:29.000 I know that's saying it because I love watching it.

02:28:31.000 I would love to see him win and go away.

02:28:32.000 That would be nuts.

02:28:33.000 That's the whole point.

02:28:34.000 That's what I said.

02:28:35.000 That would be nuts. 1.00

02:28:36.000 It would be nuts until he wins the title at the fucking White House. 1.00

02:28:39.000 And that says that's it. 1.00

02:28:40.000 I've hit my bucket list.

02:28:42.000 The White House thing is odd.

02:28:44.000 I don't like it.

02:28:45.000 I don't like the idea of fighting outside at all.

02:28:49.000 There's problems with it.

02:28:50.000 I've done it too many times.

02:28:51.000 It's June and it's D.C. and we looked it up the last time, like last year, same day, it was 100 degrees.

02:28:57.000 Yeah.

02:28:58.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:28:59.000 Hot as fuck. 0.99

02:29:00.000 Then you add the lights. 1.00

02:29:01.000 Oh, yeah.

02:29:01.000 You add the lights.

02:29:02.000 That attracts bugs.

02:29:03.000 How about dehydration?

02:29:05.000 Oh, yeah.

02:29:05.000 Yeah, the bugs are a big one.

02:29:07.000 Go back to UFC.

02:29:08.000 Yeah, with all those lights.

02:29:09.000 Go back to UFC 3.

02:29:09.000 Yeah.

02:29:11.000 See how hot it was. 0.98

02:29:12.000 How are they going to fucking do anything about the bugs? 0.98

02:29:14.000 Because I know that Dana was talking about that recently. 0.97

02:29:16.000 They were talking about maybe using fans.

02:29:18.000 Is that enough?

02:29:19.000 No, it's not enough.

02:29:20.000 You have bug strips everywhere?

02:29:21.000 What are you going to do?

02:29:22.000 Like, how are you going to stop the bugs?

02:29:23.000 There's a lot of bugs.

02:29:24.000 You spray.

02:29:25.000 That's pretty much all you can do. 0.99

02:29:26.000 Pesticide the shit out of them. 0.99

02:29:27.000 That's good for the fighters. 0.98

02:29:29.000 That'll help with their breathing.

02:29:32.000 Yeah.

02:29:33.000 I just don't think that you should compete in a world championship fight in a non controlled environment.

02:29:39.000 I think it should be inside an air conditioned arena.

02:29:42.000 It should be a controlled environment, just like every.

02:29:45.000 Like, you don't ask someone to do any of that.

02:29:47.000 You wouldn't ask them to play a world championship basketball game outside in the sun.

02:29:51.000 That'd be crazy.

02:29:52.000 Right?

02:29:52.000 Yeah.

02:29:53.000 You play in a fucking air conditioned arena, and that's how it should be. 1.00

02:29:56.000 Yeah, I agree with you. 0.99

02:29:56.000 But I understand the whole thing. 0.99

02:29:58.000 I get it too.

02:29:59.000 It's special. 0.98

02:30:00.000 But it's going to be a pain in the butt. 0.97

02:30:00.000 Listen. 0.97

02:30:01.000 A fucking roof. 1.00

02:30:03.000 Build a roof. 1.00

02:30:04.000 Like, you've got all the money in the world, right?

02:30:07.000 You're doing this. 0.99

02:30:08.000 You want to do this for fucking money? 0.99

02:30:09.000 No, it's not my money. 1.00

02:30:10.000 It's 4,000 seats.

02:30:11.000 You build a 4,000 seat arena.

02:30:13.000 How big is it? 1.00

02:30:14.000 Get a fucking barn dominium. 1.00

02:30:16.000 Put it in there. 1.00

02:30:17.000 You know, like we did UFCs in the troops.

02:30:20.000 We did them in the troops.

02:30:21.000 We did them in hangars.

02:30:22.000 Yeah, we did.

02:30:23.000 But they want that White House in the background.

02:30:26.000 Put it in the background on TV. 1.00

02:30:27.000 Who gives a fuck? 0.97

02:30:29.000 It's just like when world class fighters are competing, I don't think they should have to compete outside. 0.99

02:30:33.000 Look at it.

02:30:33.000 They're already putting it in there.

02:30:35.000 Imagine if someone loses a fight because it's too hot out.

02:30:39.000 Imagine if that becomes a factor.

02:30:41.000 Imagine the dehydrated fighters.

02:30:43.000 Like the dehydrated fighters that are now being forced 24 hours later to fight.

02:30:48.000 In 100 degree heat outside under the spotlights.

02:30:51.000 I swear to God, UFC 3 was in North Carolina and it was the hottest thing I've ever been in in my life.

02:30:51.000 Go back.

02:30:57.000 It was outside UFC 3?

02:30:58.000 No, it wasn't.

02:30:59.000 It was inside with no air conditioning really inside.

02:31:04.000 It was a 3,500 seat arena.

02:31:06.000 They put 6,000 people into it.

02:31:08.000 It was under the lights, had to be 150 degrees.

02:31:13.000 You saw everyone falling out.

02:31:15.000 Hoist had the problem after chemo and stuff.

02:31:17.000 Ken Shamrock fell out.

02:31:19.000 They all pulled out and stuff.

02:31:21.000 It was.

02:31:22.000 Joe, it was the hottest thing I've ever been in in my life.

02:31:26.000 You have to ask yourself as a fighter, though, is the spectacle worth my career?

02:31:26.000 It was brutal.

02:31:31.000 Like, is it worth me going out there and fighting in these circumstances that I'm not used to?

02:31:31.000 Right.

02:31:38.000 Well, we did one outside at Abu Dhabi.

02:31:41.000 That was when BJ Penn and Frank J. got fought.

02:31:43.000 And then Damian Meyer.

02:31:44.000 And Anderson Silva against Damian Meyer.

02:31:46.000 And that one, bro, there were bugs flying around.

02:31:48.000 It looked like birds.

02:31:50.000 They were so big.

02:31:51.000 I was like, that's a bug?

02:31:52.000 What kind of bug is that?

02:31:53.000 Can that kill me?

02:31:54.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

02:31:54.000 Like, this is crazy. 0.98

02:31:55.000 We're in the fucking desert, man. 1.00

02:31:57.000 There's some giant ass. 1.00

02:31:59.000 You can hear it. 1.00

02:32:01.000 Yeah.

02:32:02.000 Make sure your microphone's not picking it up.

02:32:04.000 Sounds like a helicopter coming by.

02:32:05.000 You're outside.

02:32:06.000 It's hot.

02:32:07.000 You're in the desert.

02:32:07.000 This is crazy.

02:32:08.000 Like, why are we fighting outside?

02:32:10.000 No, because I think I'd read somewhere where Habib had said, No, I prefer Islam not take a fight there at the White House.

02:32:15.000 There's too many distractions.

02:32:16.000 You got all the media.

02:32:16.000 You got that whole week.

02:32:18.000 Plus, it's outside.

02:32:19.000 These are all things that your fighter is not used to doing.

02:32:21.000 Why would I jeopardize his win streak, his second title?

02:32:25.000 Why would I jeopardize all of that?

02:32:26.000 Yeah, his legacy, everything.

02:32:28.000 So, we can find it at the White House.

02:32:29.000 I know it seems great.

02:32:30.000 Yeah, I fought there, but at the end of the day.

02:32:33.000 I worked so hard to get here.

02:32:33.000 You got to look at it.

02:32:35.000 I don't want to lose it over this one thing.

02:32:37.000 I just feel like you could put a roof over it.

02:32:40.000 I mean, look, you got all this money.

02:32:41.000 You're making a ballroom?

02:32:43.000 Make a little.

02:32:44.000 Do it just on a regular basis.

02:32:45.000 I mean, are they working on it?

02:32:46.000 Are they finishing the ballroom?

02:32:47.000 Are we going to get that?

02:32:48.000 Make your own.

02:32:49.000 I don't know.

02:32:50.000 Make your own Apex Center. 0.52

02:32:51.000 Boom.

02:32:52.000 Come on. 1.00

02:32:53.000 Make a fucking barn dominium. 1.00

02:32:54.000 How hard is that? 1.00

02:32:55.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:32:56.000 Hard.

02:32:56.000 Trust me, I just finished one.

02:32:57.000 Did you?

02:32:58.000 Oh, my God.

02:32:59.000 You're one guy.

02:32:59.000 Oh, exactly.

02:33:00.000 Get a fucking team of United States civil engineers. 1.00

02:33:03.000 Get the fucking army to do it. 1.00

02:33:06.000 So, are you going to be at that one? 1.00

02:33:09.000 Yeah.

02:33:10.000 I'm going to be there.

02:33:11.000 Allegedly.

02:33:11.000 Allegedly?

02:33:12.000 If there's not a bomb that goes off between now and then. 0.99

02:33:14.000 Who fucking knows? 0.99

02:33:15.000 This world is crazy. 0.99

02:33:16.000 I love what you did with the Ibogaine with it, man.

02:33:18.000 Way to go.

02:33:18.000 Thank you.

02:33:20.000 What was the process on that?

02:33:21.000 How long did that take?

02:33:22.000 I don't care what the process was.

02:33:23.000 Way to go.

02:33:24.000 Thank you.

02:33:24.000 The process was me texting Trump.

02:33:27.000 Literally.

02:33:29.000 I'm not bullshitting.

02:33:30.000 I texted him on Friday.

02:33:32.000 He showed up to the UFC on Saturday, shook My hand and said, It's done.

02:33:36.000 You're kidding.

02:33:37.000 Oh, no, I'm not kidding at all.

02:33:38.000 No, I texted him.

02:33:39.000 He texted me back, Are you looking for FDA approval?

02:33:41.000 Sounds good to me.

02:33:43.000 I tell him how effective it is at helping all these veterans with PTSD, people with traumatic brain injuries, all these different things.

02:33:50.000 I mean, we have a problem with fentanyl in this country.

02:33:52.000 This is one of the best things that we've ever demonstrated.

02:33:55.000 I'm like, Listen, there's so many people that risk their life for this country.

02:33:58.000 They come back and there's no help, and this is the only thing that they've found helping.

02:34:02.000 And it's illegal, and that doesn't make any sense.

02:34:04.000 You shouldn't have to go to Mexico to get treatment for something that you got because you were defending.

02:34:08.000 Defending your country.

02:34:10.000 That's nuts.

02:34:10.000 And so he right away was like, Look, this makes sense to me.

02:34:14.000 Like, he cut through all the bullshit. 0.99

02:34:16.000 Well, it was common sense. 0.99

02:34:17.000 And there was a bunch of people that were trying to get in the way of it.

02:34:20.000 Of course.

02:34:20.000 A bunch of people.

02:34:21.000 I mean, inside the White House people that were trying to get in. 1.00

02:34:25.000 He's like, Fuck you. 1.00

02:34:26.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:34:27.000 Do it. 1.00

02:34:28.000 And he was telling them, Just do it.

02:34:30.000 Make it happen.

02:34:31.000 And he made it happen.

02:34:32.000 And that's amazing for everybody.

02:34:34.000 Yeah, no.

02:34:35.000 It was amazing that, you know what, you stepped up because you are going to be helping so many people.

02:34:41.000 I don't think people don't have an idea.

02:34:43.000 Of how bad it is and what that can do for him.

02:34:45.000 So I think, way to God. 0.98

02:34:47.000 I was like, see, I always say, you always talk about you're a dummy. 0.99

02:34:51.000 I'm a dummy. 0.98

02:34:52.000 I always tell people, he's super intelligent.

02:34:54.000 And you are because you got that done.

02:34:56.000 Well, this proves it.

02:34:57.000 I never asked him for anything else.

02:34:59.000 I've never asked him for anything.

02:35:01.000 Maybe a signing pin or something.

02:35:01.000 Never.

02:35:03.000 He gave me those.

02:35:04.000 I didn't even ask.

02:35:05.000 I've got a bunch of stuff.

02:35:06.000 I got a pen.

02:35:07.000 I got a bunch of things.

02:35:08.000 But I was like, if there's anything that I would really ask him for that is bipartisan supported.

02:35:15.000 Like, Democrats support it, Republicans support it, 85% of the country supports it.

02:35:19.000 Especially when it comes to things like Ibogaine, which is not even remotely recreational.

02:35:23.000 No.

02:35:23.000 I haven't done it.

02:35:24.000 It gets people sick.

02:35:25.000 Everybody's done it, so it's horrible.

02:35:26.000 You get diarrhea, but it's 24 hours of misery.

02:35:29.000 But when it's over, you're a new person.

02:35:31.000 Good.

02:35:32.000 And look, Rick Perry, God bless him, because if it wasn't for him getting behind it, that changed everybody's opinion.

02:35:37.000 Here you have this Republican, former governor of Texas, who's talking about it and then talking about his own personal experiences doing it.

02:35:45.000 So, him and Brian Hubbard, I mean, they really went all out.

02:35:49.000 And when I had them on my podcast, not once but twice, to talk about this and the state of it where it's being passed in Texas, they got $100 million from Ken Paxton.

02:35:57.000 So, which is, yeah, no.

02:35:59.000 Was it Ken Paxton?

02:36:00.000 No.

02:36:01.000 Who is it?

02:36:01.000 No.

02:36:05.000 Dan Patrick, sorry.

02:36:06.000 Dan Patrick.

02:36:07.000 So, Dan Patrick, who approved this $100 million for this Ibogaine initiative, like, these people all deserve praise.

02:36:14.000 This is like, there's a lot of people that for the longest time thought of psychedelics as being something that losers do.

02:36:20.000 And then they realize, like, no, there's a lot of people that need help.

02:36:23.000 And this could help everyone.

02:36:24.000 It could be a good side with all the country.

02:36:26.000 I was just in San Diego last Monday, and then I was in LA on Tuesday, and it's unrecognizable.

02:36:31.000 It's crazy.

02:36:32.000 It's sad.

02:36:34.000 And when you take a look at San Diego, it's always been beautiful, beaches in the background, but it was worse than LA.

02:36:40.000 I was in the Burbank area, and actually, it was a lot nicer than San Diego was.

02:36:43.000 And the gaslight district was just disgusting.

02:36:45.000 It's crazy.

02:36:46.000 What is it?

02:36:46.000 Gas lamp?

02:36:47.000 Yeah, gas lamp.

02:36:47.000 Yeah.

02:36:48.000 It just, I couldn't believe it.

02:36:49.000 I walked into a couple restaurants.

02:36:51.000 You got homeless people stumbling in, trying to order, trying to take food off of people's plates while they're there.

02:36:57.000 I'm just like, what is going on?

02:36:59.000 No law enforcement.

02:37:00.000 That's right.

02:37:01.000 It's the first time that I've gone back.

02:37:03.000 And I've been back, you know, in the last three years, I've been back two or three times a year easily.

02:37:07.000 It's the first time I went back.

02:37:08.000 I was like, man, this is not what it used to be.

02:37:11.000 This is not, it just felt like for the first time I didn't feel safe there.

02:37:16.000 God.

02:37:17.000 And it's weird to me.

02:37:18.000 And how do you get that?

02:37:19.000 How do you bring it back?

02:37:21.000 Oh, that's simple.

02:37:22.000 You bring it back by doing the right things, common sense things, taking it.

02:37:28.000 You know, dude, I understand.

02:37:29.000 Oh, I understand.

02:37:30.000 I would get to do it.

02:37:31.000 Do you think Chad Bianco does it?

02:37:33.000 Do you think Steve Hilton does it?

02:37:34.000 Like, who do you get to turn the state around?

02:37:36.000 You know, it's your girl, Katie Porter.

02:37:38.000 She'll scold everybody into compliance.

02:37:43.000 But I'm sitting outside having dinner last night and I'm watching a bunch of homeless guys talking to themselves.

02:37:51.000 And this is the problem.

02:37:53.000 I was a police officer for 23 years, okay?

02:37:56.000 I've been out there with them, and you have people that, you know, they have serious problems, you know, and I understand, you know, the ACLU and stuff, they, oh, it's not right to put them.

02:38:06.000 No, it's better for them and it's better for the people that are out on the street just trying to live their lives to have that person be put into a place where they can receive some medication, receive some help and try to get them back than it is to let these people just rot on the street and self-destruct.

02:38:27.000 And I'm watching it and it's like, how is that so hard to figure out that it's better to do something with them than it is to just let them be?

02:38:36.000 It's crazy.

02:38:37.000 Yeah, we've lost our way as a society.

02:38:40.000 And I think a great reflection of that is how many homeless people you have camped out on your streets.

02:38:44.000 Those are the places where they've lost their way the most.

02:38:46.000 That's it.

02:38:47.000 And this is unfortunately a lot of these Democrats run cities.

02:38:50.000 I owned a couple of gyms in San Jose and it was Tent City. 0.63

02:38:53.000 And along the highway, like leading up to my gym, along the road that led up to my gym, all those things. 0.98

02:38:58.000 But you would see they were stealing solar panels from people's houses and they would put them up on the sidewall so they could charge their cell phones.

02:39:06.000 Like they're smart enough to do these things, right?

02:39:08.000 It's not as if they're not. 0.99

02:39:10.000 They're just drug addicts. 0.88

02:39:11.000 That's a lot of it. 0.97

02:39:12.000 A lot of it is just drug addicts.

02:39:12.000 That's it.

02:39:14.000 But in areas like San Jose, that can help with that.

02:39:16.000 100%.

02:39:17.000 But things like in San Jose or San Francisco, they're giving them needles.

02:39:20.000 They're giving them drugs.

02:39:21.000 They're giving them phones.

02:39:22.000 It's like, why are we doing this?

02:39:24.000 Well, the other problem is the amount of money that's involved in the homeless industry now.

02:39:28.000 When you find out that California spent $24 billion in homelessness only.

02:39:28.000 That's right.

02:39:32.000 Yeah, what have they done?

02:39:33.000 Nothing.

02:39:34.000 Not only that, but they tried to do an audit on it, and the governor vetoed it.

02:39:39.000 It's like, no, no.

02:39:40.000 Nothing to see.

02:39:41.000 Why waste time?

02:39:44.000 It's only $24 billion, guys.

02:39:46.000 Well, how much did they spend on that bridge that had the.

02:39:49.000 For the mountain lions?

02:39:49.000 Yeah, for the.

02:39:50.000 Oh, my God, yeah.

02:39:51.000 What are we doing?

02:39:52.000 Hey, hey, hey, that's okay. 1.00

02:39:53.000 The mountain lions need a fucking bridge. 1.00

02:39:55.000 They need hugs. 1.00

02:39:59.000 They need hugs.

02:40:00.000 They need to wake up.

02:40:01.000 And the problem is that they're in this bizarre mindset, this liberal leftist mindset that's just not tenable.

02:40:09.000 You can't defend it.

02:40:10.000 It's not.

02:40:11.000 That's because it's crazy.

02:40:12.000 It's crazy work.

02:40:13.000 I always look at this.

02:40:13.000 Yeah.

02:40:14.000 People talk about left and right.

02:40:16.000 And most people are, I'm in the center.

02:40:20.000 I think a lot of people are.

02:40:23.000 It's not where.

02:40:24.000 But you get labeled as being on the right if you're not all the way to the left.

02:40:26.000 Absolutely.

02:40:27.000 If you're not all crazy, you're to the far right. 0.72

02:40:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:40:31.000 It's nuts.

02:40:31.000 It's absolutely just nutty seesaw.

02:40:34.000 Oh, man.

02:40:35.000 Well, I just saw something that I can't remember who it was, but they continue to talk about, you know, let's keep taxing the billionaires, keep taxing the billionaires.

02:40:42.000 And do what with the money?

02:40:43.000 And that's the point, though.

02:40:45.000 That's the thing.

02:40:46.000 So, why don't we just not tax the people that make under $200,000?

02:40:50.000 That's actually something Jeff Bezos brought up.

02:40:53.000 He said, you should, the bottom 50%, the people that make the least amount of money, don't tax them at all.

02:40:59.000 He goes, because they're not contributing that much to the tax base anyway, and they would contribute more to the economy if they had more money.

02:41:04.000 Absolutely.

02:41:05.000 It would help everybody.

02:41:06.000 That's right.

02:41:07.000 I think he's right.

02:41:07.000 I always said $150,000 down.

02:41:09.000 Yeah.

02:41:10.000 That's a great number.

02:41:10.000 You don't pay taxes.

02:41:12.000 I also thought about it, too, is if you were to take, if you got rid of the, you know, because.

02:41:17.000 They're talking about this housing shortage and all of these other things.

02:41:19.000 Why don't we get rid of the low interest rates?

02:41:21.000 You know, because I have like a couple of interest rates on some houses that I have that are at 2%.

02:41:25.000 How do you get rid of those?

02:41:26.000 Well, why don't you just raise my capital gains tax so I don't got to, my wife and I or whatever, we can pay like less on that versus that $500,000 threshold.

02:41:35.000 Why don't you make it a million?

02:41:37.000 So then I'll cash out on those and just take my money out.

02:41:40.000 And then I'll start putting it back into the economy again.

02:41:42.000 Like there's all these.

02:41:42.000 You're talking like a sensible businessman.

02:41:44.000 Like you can't be doing that in California.

02:41:46.000 I'll put you in jail.

02:41:47.000 You could do it. 0.96

02:41:48.000 I'll put you in Twitter jail. 0.99

02:41:49.000 You could do the death tax that he did in New York. 0.95

02:41:51.000 I mean, look at what Mamdani's trying to do. 0.93

02:41:52.000 Oh, that's nuts.

02:41:53.000 Oh, my God.

02:41:54.000 People are just going to bail out of that city.

02:41:56.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:41:57.000 It seems to be fucking people that think like taxing the rich is the solution. 1.00

02:42:00.000 And do what with the money? 0.99

02:42:02.000 If you were doing a great job with the money and everything was accounted for and there was no fraud and waste, I'd be like, well, maybe you just need more money.

02:42:09.000 But that's clearly not the case.

02:42:11.000 You've got so much fraud and you're ignoring it.

02:42:14.000 And then this Nick Shirley kid, when he exposes it, everybody's like.

02:42:17.000 They go after him.

02:42:18.000 Yes!

02:42:19.000 You should be praising him.

02:42:19.000 They go after him.

02:42:20.000 Hey, hello.

02:42:21.000 Give that kid an award. 1.00

02:42:22.000 Give him a fucking award. 1.00

02:42:23.000 Here, I want Journalist of the Year and he's not a journalist. 1.00

02:42:26.000 How much fraud do you think is in this country?

02:42:28.000 Billions and billions and billions.

02:42:30.000 I mean, Elon had said.

02:42:31.000 Elon had said when he first came in, he goes, Hey, I think it's close to a trillion dollars, maybe a little bit over.

02:42:36.000 He said it was so bad that he didn't want to talk about it too much because he's worried they'd kill him.

02:42:41.000 You know, he really said that.

02:42:42.000 Don't doubt it.

02:42:44.000 It's wild.

02:42:45.000 Joe, he's not lying. 0.95

02:42:47.000 He ain't stupid. 0.98

02:42:48.000 No, he's not. 0.99

02:42:49.000 He's anything but.

02:42:49.000 No, he's not.

02:42:50.000 He's not stupid. 1.00

02:42:51.000 He's anything but. 0.97

02:42:53.000 But I mean, to think though, I mean, think how much in California they've discovered, let's just say what, 200 billion?

02:42:58.000 At least.

02:42:59.000 You know, somewhere around there.

02:43:00.000 That's on the low end.

02:43:01.000 New York's probably in Chicago, and then, I mean, But they've got to do it in all states.

02:43:05.000 You can't just do it in the ones where it's LA and Chicago and New York.

02:43:09.000 We've got to do it in all states.

02:43:10.000 That's got to be in Texas, too.

02:43:11.000 Yeah, it's everywhere.

02:43:12.000 There's fraud, and these people are profiting off of the fraud.

02:43:12.000 It's everywhere.

02:43:15.000 They were funneling it right back into the parties, and it's dirty business. 0.97

02:43:19.000 Well, you didn't really think that that shovel the government pays for was really fucking $900? 0.91

02:43:23.000 Well, there's a lot of that as they get a budget and they have to pay, they have to spend all the money. 0.97

02:43:30.000 They have to spend every bit of it.

02:43:31.000 Yeah, otherwise they won't get the same budget next year.

02:43:33.000 Which is wild to me because the schools operate the same way.

02:43:37.000 If the teachers don't spend a certain amount of money on these things, then they don't get the same budget for next year.

02:43:41.000 Why don't we reward the people that actually save the money?

02:43:41.000 No, no.

02:43:43.000 Yeah.

02:43:44.000 It doesn't make any sense to me.

02:43:45.000 It doesn't make sense to me. 1.00

02:43:45.000 That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 1.00

02:43:48.000 What is wrong with you? 1.00

02:43:48.000 Well, gentlemen. 1.00

02:43:49.000 I want to know when do you come into my class, though?

02:43:52.000 Your refereeing class?

02:43:53.000 Yeah.

02:43:54.000 When is it?

02:43:54.000 When do you have it?

02:43:55.000 July 17th and the 19th.

02:43:57.000 He's gone.

02:43:58.000 Oh, I'm not even going to be in the country.

02:44:00.000 Oh, okay.

02:44:02.000 But when are you doing one?

02:44:04.000 Where are you doing them?

02:44:06.000 Usually I do them in Vegas at Extreme Couture or something like that. 1.00

02:44:09.000 Because I need the gym to put people in cages with fighters. 0.88

02:44:12.000 If I can, I definitely will.

02:44:13.000 I would love to see it.

02:44:14.000 I'd love to see it.

02:44:15.000 Is there a location we could do one?

02:44:17.000 Because that way, I don't have.

02:44:18.000 That way, you know, look, at any time, you know, you have my number.

02:44:22.000 Text me if you have a question during the fight.

02:44:27.000 I get them all the time, so it's not.

02:44:29.000 Just wrap it up, right?

02:44:31.000 I get them all the time, so, you know, it's nice when you know exactly what the referee can do, where they're going to go.

02:44:39.000 And when you're looking at, like, with, you know, a Mark Goddard or a Herb Dean.

02:44:44.000 When you know, if you go to the club, you'll know exactly, hey, this is what he can do, and this is why he'll do it.

02:44:49.000 I'll definitely ask you.

02:44:50.000 I promise. 1.00

02:44:51.000 At the very least, I'll ask you next time a Nisha comes out. 1.00

02:44:54.000 No problem. 1.00

02:44:54.000 I'll have you on speed dial. 1.00

02:44:55.000 There you go.

02:44:55.000 Maybe I'll put you on speakerphone at the UFC.

02:44:57.000 Hey, everybody, Big John's right here.

02:44:59.000 Don't do that.

02:45:03.000 It's the one thing that I'm always watching, and you guys are like, I don't know.

02:45:06.000 I don't know.

02:45:07.000 I'm like, this is the answer.

02:45:08.000 Well, I'll reach out.

02:45:10.000 I promise.

02:45:11.000 Thank you, brother.

02:45:11.000 Love you.

02:45:11.000 Love you too.

02:45:12.000 Love both of you guys.

02:45:13.000 This is fun.

02:45:14.000 Let's do it again.

02:45:14.000 Oh, absolutely.

02:45:15.000 There's always going to be fights to talk about.

02:45:16.000 Freaking A.

02:45:17.000 I live up the street, so let me know anytime.

02:45:19.000 All right. 1.00

02:45:20.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:45:20.000 All right. 1.00

02:45:21.000 Bye, everybody.

02:45:21.000 Bye to you later.

02:45:21.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 27, 2026

JRE MMA Show #179 with Josh Thompson & "Big" John McCarthy

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