The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #181 with Justin Gaethje & Trevor Wittman

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00:00:12.000 Gentlemen, first of all, thank you for being here.

00:00:14.000 I couldn't wait to talk to you.

00:00:16.000 Congratulations on one of the most epic accomplishments in the history of combat sports, and that's not an understatement.

00:00:22.000 I mean, it might be an understatement.

00:00:24.000 It's not an overstatement.

00:00:25.000 It's perfect.

00:00:26.000 That was one of the greatest nights I've ever experienced of watching anything in my life.

00:00:30.000 It was amazing.

00:00:32.000 And to have you cap it off and win.

00:00:35.000 The title when you're facing a guy that everybody thought was at least number two, pound for pound. 0.99

00:00:40.000 It was like him in Islam or number one and number two.

00:00:44.000 And some odds had you at six to one, which I thought was very disrespectful.

00:00:50.000 I thought, like, this is crazy.

00:00:53.000 Like, six to one is crazy.

00:00:54.000 Like, Illy is really good, but so's Justin.

00:00:57.000 This is kind of nuts. 1.00

00:00:58.000 Like, to have you win the way you won in front of the fucking White House. 1.00

00:01:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:01:05.000 How's it feel?

00:01:07.000 You know, it's really not real yet.

00:01:10.000 I was expecting to have like an internal sense of relief that, like, I don't have something to chase because I was always chasing this belt.

00:01:20.000 And I was expecting to wake up with like some kind of natural release of pressure, but I don't know.

00:01:28.000 I don't feel that.

00:01:29.000 As the days go by, every day I feel a little bit more, a little bit more.

00:01:33.000 Two days ago, my dad was like, you know, what was it like waking up being the champion?

00:01:37.000 And I was like, I haven't even thought about that.

00:01:41.000 And then I was, you know, on the shitter like 10 minutes later, and I was sitting there thinking about it. 0.99

00:01:44.000 I was like, wow, I'm the fucking champion. 0.99

00:01:48.000 Like, it's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:01:50.000 And yeah, it's just, I mean, I've just been on the grind for so many years now. 0.98

00:01:55.000 My dad dropped me off 19 years ago in Colorado.

00:01:59.000 I knew nobody to wrestle.

00:02:02.000 And yeah, to see where I'm at now is just absolutely incredible.

00:02:06.000 I mean, there's really no way to explain how or why, you know, or like why I deserve it or what.

00:02:12.000 I mean, I worked my ass off.

00:02:14.000 I have made mistakes.

00:02:16.000 You know, I've done things the wrong way, but I've always corrected and got back on the path.

00:02:20.000 And, you know, I think the coaches, the mentors, but mostly the coaches that I've been, you know, and the team that I have around me is a huge reason why I was able to stay on track and just keep moving forward and keep trusting that, you know, I belong in the top of the league.

00:02:41.000 Well, you've clearly shown it throughout your career.

00:02:44.000 And, Having a great coach like Trevor, and one of the reasons why I wanted to bring you in, Trevor, is because you guys have a very unique relationship.

00:02:50.000 First of all, I love the YouTube series, The Art of Violence, fantastic.

00:02:55.000 And what's great is watching you two guys work together, and Trevor, you being very acutely aware of when to pull them back, when to ramp it up, when to push.

00:03:05.000 Like, you guys, having a relationship like that is so critical because you guys know each other so well.

00:03:13.000 You've seen him perform so many times, you've seen him fight and perform in the gym.

00:03:17.000 That you know where he's at all the time.

00:03:20.000 And having that sense of where your fighter is at any given time in camp because you know him so well, boy, that's a giant advantage.

00:03:28.000 It is.

00:03:29.000 Well, hold on. 1.00

00:03:34.000 Testes. 0.99

00:03:36.000 Yeah, I think that's a huge advantage knowing your athlete.

00:03:41.000 And, you know, I've been doing this for a long period of time, but there's lots of coaches out there that consider their fighters their friends.

00:03:47.000 I do consider them.

00:03:49.000 One of my best friends, but I put myself more in a father position of I need to know when to tell them the truth.

00:03:55.000 And I've got myself in trouble with that with fighters where you tell them the truth so hard that you have to let them go like a child, like, hey, if we're not on the same beliefs, go live life and see how it is.

00:04:05.000 And then when you return, I'm still going to love you.

00:04:08.000 Having that type of thing where I have to be dead honest for your career, not because it helps us now and it feels good right now at the moment.

00:04:16.000 I have to look at that from the time that we start and we talk about what are his goals.

00:04:21.000 And then my job is to.

00:04:25.000 Be an advisor, be a mentor to get him to that place as best as I can because these are his goals and I want to support those.

00:04:32.000 And in the beginning of his career, his goals were to be the most violent guy out there, the most remembered, the guy that every time someone bought a ticket, they remembered Justin Gaetje selling that show.

00:04:44.000 And then it turned into, no, I want to have this belt.

00:04:46.000 And that was hard because we did go and not get the belt twice.

00:04:51.000 And, you know, it's so cool to be in kind of those scenarios where it's like, Dan, you had two opportunities.

00:04:57.000 Now it's never going to happen.

00:04:58.000 And, That's what life is.

00:05:00.000 Life is one of those things that you keep getting up and chase your goals.

00:05:03.000 You never know how it's going to happen.

00:05:05.000 And yes, you want to dream and you want to have a plan.

00:05:10.000 But I'll tell you right now, through all the times that I've had championship fighters in business and in life, the plans never work.

00:05:18.000 You always have to adjust them.

00:05:19.000 But it's that dream and that vision to get you to the top of the stairs.

00:05:22.000 You have to get up each one of those steps.

00:05:23.000 So, you know, Justin went out there and wrote a story that I don't think will ever be forgotten.

00:05:28.000 And he did it one round at a time.

00:05:30.000 And that's what impresses me because his mindset.

00:05:33.000 I love the mental game.

00:05:34.000 I love to talk about the mental game.

00:05:36.000 Even like Ilya, Ilya is a special guy with how he uses his mental.

00:05:40.000 The secret, if I see it, I believe it, it'll happen to a point.

00:05:46.000 You know, it's like, I always tell people if you go down the ice cream aisle and you're like, hey, I don't know what ice cream I want, you're going to stand there and go, oh, that one looks good.

00:05:53.000 That one looks good.

00:05:54.000 That one looks good.

00:05:55.000 But the people that are like, I want mint chocolate chip, you get in there, you get it done, you grab that mint chocolate chip and you walk out.

00:06:00.000 Very similar to Ilya's last three fights.

00:06:02.000 He went out there and he demanded what he wanted, his confidence got him through that. 0.99

00:06:07.000 But it makes it very hard when you get that stale, nasty, rotten milk, fucking mint chocolate chip. 1.00

00:06:12.000 Because you start to go, oh shit, what is going to happen now? 1.00

00:06:15.000 So I think the relationship that we have is me guiding him, me pulling him back at the strictly situation. 0.99

00:06:21.000 Hey, let's pull back a little bit.

00:06:23.000 Let's focus on what's going on.

00:06:24.000 I don't want any distractions.

00:06:26.000 And having someone, and he trusts that I care about him.

00:06:30.000 I love him to death.

00:06:31.000 I love his family.

00:06:32.000 Like our relationship is so strong, and I need that with my athletes.

00:06:34.000 And I'm just blessed and 100, you know, I say honored, but more importantly, humbled.

00:06:42.000 By someone who I've never worked mental with, who shows me different ways to the mental game of fighting, which I feel I'm very high level with, is it's something that if you put yourself around people that make you better, this guy makes me better daily, and I'm very grateful for that.

00:06:58.000 You said something about Ilya, about the fight, about having expectations.

00:07:04.000 And you said you don't have any expectations when you fight.

00:07:08.000 That way, you don't get thrown off.

00:07:11.000 Yeah, I mean, I think it's huge.

00:07:12.000 I mean,.

00:07:14.000 My expectations come from my hard work.

00:07:16.000 Obviously, I expect my body to perform.

00:07:20.000 I understand that I've trained my mind to, and you know, maybe the narcissistic tendencies in me love showing off and performing in front of, you know, thousands of people on that stage.

00:07:36.000 That's what I love the most about this.

00:07:39.000 And that's what my personality is like I'm very competitive.

00:07:42.000 I want to win.

00:07:44.000 But I'm never going to lie to myself.

00:07:45.000 And that's how I've never had a coach.

00:07:49.000 in my entire career, since four years old of wrestling, have to pull me aside and talk about the mental aspect of competition because it's always been so natural to me.

00:08:02.000 I'm not sure if it's because they see that I'm doing good and that they agree with my approach mentally or they don't understand what's going on.

00:08:15.000 But I've just always been so comfortable and so content with.

00:08:19.000 My situation of, you know, this is a competition, it's a game.

00:08:24.000 You know, I'm very competitive, I'm very petty, I take everything personal.

00:08:28.000 And yeah, when I go in there with X, I have gone in with expectations.

00:08:34.000 And it's, I said it before the fight, you know, Ali, like I said so many true things to him.

00:08:40.000 And I think it was such an asset to tell someone the brutal truth, especially someone like him, because it pushes them farther away from the truth.

00:08:48.000 You know, even if I tell him the exact truth and, Exactly what's going to happen, and you know, you're making a mistake by having all these expectations.

00:08:56.000 And when we go to round two and when we go to round three, and it's not going as you predicted it or wanted it to or expected it to, then where do you go from there?

00:09:04.000 And you know, I said that exact thing to him, and then that pushed him farther away from it.

00:09:08.000 And you know, I it's almost like he wanted to prove you wrong, yeah.

00:09:13.000 He wanted to prove himself right, yeah, you know, and he was unwilling to be open to opinions.

00:09:19.000 And because obviously, I don't know him, he knows him better than himself, but you know, I uh, I I got here because I am coachable.

00:09:25.000 I got here because I listen.

00:09:26.000 I use every, like I posted yesterday, every person, place, or thing that has happened to me or for me has ultimately molded my mind and my body to be able to deal with the situation that happened on Sunday night.

00:09:41.000 And, you know, I can pull so much experience from the past my losses, my wins, setbacks, failures, accomplishments.

00:09:50.000 I mean, there is so much to learn from it.

00:09:52.000 You know, every day is a learning experience.

00:09:55.000 And I. Constantly try to learn and be better.

00:09:58.000 And I don't know why I'm able to perform like that.

00:10:04.000 I think, I just think it's who I am.

00:10:06.000 You know, when I say I wanted to be the most exciting fighter ever, it's not that I wanted to be the most exciting fighter ever.

00:10:13.000 The thought of that was fucking cool to me, you know, but I was just being me.

00:10:20.000 And I've been blessed to be able to, you know, through my childhood, through coming from a small town, through having, you know, Unwavering support from my family and my friends and my coaches and my teachers and everybody from, you know, it's just crazy to be able to come out on top.

00:10:41.000 I mean, it's just crazy.

00:10:44.000 One of the things I think was a giant factor in the fight is that you have been in wars.

00:10:50.000 You've been in a bunch of wars.

00:10:52.000 Yeah.

00:10:52.000 And Ilya really had only had some rough moments against Jai Herbert.

00:10:57.000 You know, Yusuf Zalal gave him some problems, but it was nothing serious.

00:11:03.000 The wars that you've been in, these just down and dirty brawls that you've been in, you're comfortable with the back and forth.

00:11:13.000 You're comfortable with enduring.

00:11:15.000 You know that you're not going to break.

00:11:17.000 You know, if your body holds up, you're going to keep fighting and you can endure.

00:11:21.000 I don't think he'd ever experienced that before.

00:11:23.000 So when you didn't break in the second round, and I think he made a mistake, and I think you're correct about that.

00:11:29.000 You said he made a mistake by going to the ground.

00:11:31.000 Absolutely.

00:11:32.000 And that he hurt you to the body.

00:11:33.000 I told Trevor yesterday, I think, you know, um, Him hurting to my body was the reason, one of the main reasons I won.

00:11:41.000 You know, when he hit me, when I dropped, it wasn't the first time he hit me in the body.

00:11:45.000 That was probably like the fourth or fifth one.

00:11:47.000 And he had landed some really clean shots, and he could probably sense that I was in trouble and hurt.

00:11:54.000 And I think that fact made him dump everything because it was his last chance to take me out.

00:12:01.000 And he almost did take me out.

00:12:02.000 But when I went down, it's always easy to make these decisions in hindsight.

00:12:07.000 But when I went down, he's had way more submissions than he has knockouts.

00:12:14.000 And so for him not to have that belief that he's going to be able to go down there, especially with the Khabib fight, especially with the Charles Olavera fight. 0.82

00:12:20.000 Especially with all the negativity around my grappling, I think he would have been foolish not to.

00:12:25.000 Because I would have stood back up.

00:12:27.000 I would have stood back up, and he would have charged forward, tried to finish me.

00:12:31.000 I would have jumped on his legs.

00:12:32.000 I would have pulled guard.

00:12:33.000 He was going to end up on top of me no matter what.

00:12:34.000 I wasn't going to sit there and trade with him again.

00:12:37.000 I would have front rolled into grappling situations or whatever.

00:12:41.000 I would have made him cover me.

00:12:44.000 But I think me getting hit is what made him completely blow his tank.

00:12:50.000 Yeah.

00:12:53.000 You know, go for the win.

00:12:53.000 And.

00:12:54.000 And I think that was the choice he had to make because it was going to continue to get worse. 1.00

00:12:59.000 I beat his ass in the first round. 0.99

00:13:01.000 Like, it might have been close on the scorecards. 0.99

00:13:03.000 I absolutely took the first round, but the amount of damage that I inflicted in the first round set up the rest of the fight.

00:13:10.000 I do think it was a mistake.

00:13:12.000 And you're saying what you're saying is so correct.

00:13:15.000 But what I'm saying is, from a standpoint of him demanding it, he's going to finish you in the first two.

00:13:21.000 Understanding the damage that he was taking, he took big risks.

00:13:24.000 He got in there.

00:13:24.000 He kept his hands on your collarbones.

00:13:25.000 He was landing really good shots.

00:13:27.000 Yeah, the, the, the, The two body shots before that, that left hook to deliver, that the sound it made was crazy.

00:13:33.000 That last one was clean, it was precise and deep, but you could tell it was already there.

00:13:39.000 But if he didn't put that pressure on himself, and this is what I mean by mistake, is like when you come out, you have to know that you're going five rounds.

00:13:46.000 And he knew that he had to unleash everything right there.

00:13:50.000 If he would have been smart in that scenario, saying, Hey, we got five rounds, let me step back a little bit, let me do some damage.

00:13:56.000 But also, he's like, Hey, let me get you out of there quick.

00:13:58.000 Justin, you know, can't grapple, can't do all these things, which a lot of people think, which Justin's a great grappler.

00:14:04.000 And what was so smart about you is when you get tired, that's where the worst decisions happen.

00:14:11.000 That's one of my big things as coaching we get someone tired and then we make them make bad decisions and then we capitalize on those mistakes.

00:14:18.000 Justin was able to stay so composed here with being speared to the body.

00:14:23.000 And when you take a liver shot, it is way different than the headshot.

00:14:26.000 A headshot's like taking a shot with your buddies at the bar.

00:14:28.000 It's like, hey, let's go, you know, but you take a body shot. 0.99

00:14:32.000 You're dying. 0.99

00:14:32.000 Like your liver shot. 0.99

00:14:33.000 You feel like you're dying.

00:14:34.000 And Justin, all the decisions he made on the ground from the triangle, from the arm bar, from not being flat, so many good decisions were made in that scenario.

00:14:44.000 And I do think it was a mistake.

00:14:45.000 Obviously, there's so many different ways it could go, but those type of moments in fights are what make fights great overcoming obstacles.

00:14:53.000 And he had set that up.

00:14:54.000 He had said it.

00:14:55.000 He's like, hey, I'm going to overcome anything.

00:14:57.000 I'm going out there, put the worst thing out there.

00:14:59.000 Like, what are you going to do to me?

00:15:00.000 I've already been knocked out the last second of a freaking huge fight by Max.

00:15:04.000 Like, you can't do nothing worse to me.

00:15:06.000 And that mindset, I think, is something to take away for all the fighters out there that always, I love how you say it, expect a war.

00:15:14.000 Always.

00:15:15.000 Some of the biggest mistakes that I've made with fighters that I had is allowing them to think that they're going to go through this fight easy.

00:15:21.000 And then that fight becomes super hard.

00:15:23.000 You think it's going to be a war, then you're like, hey, it wasn't as bad as I was expected.

00:15:25.000 Even if it was a little bit of a war, you're not going to help them in that moment.

00:15:28.000 Yeah.

00:15:29.000 There's no pulling them out.

00:15:30.000 And that's fighting.

00:15:31.000 Fighting is mentality.

00:15:32.000 I look at this like there's techniques out there and there's things like that.

00:15:35.000 What makes this sport inspirational and makes someone want to go out there and beat cancer?

00:15:39.000 Because they were inspired by a fighter.

00:15:41.000 It's not the technical piece, it's getting back up.

00:15:45.000 And it's okay to get knocked down.

00:15:47.000 I love watching people get knocked down because my favorite part is seeing how they get up.

00:15:51.000 And that to me is why I love fighting, is how people get up.

00:15:56.000 Yeah, how they endure.

00:15:57.000 And that was the big story of that second round that you figured out a way to get through it. 0.95

00:16:01.000 And the change in tempo in the third round was very obvious because the sprint that you have to make, like what Ilya did when he was trying to finish you, he used so much fucking energy.

00:16:13.000 And the great Chael Sonnen once said that if you try to win by knockout and fail, you won't win by submission. 0.69

00:16:20.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:16:20.000 And a lot of times that's the case because you know, as good as anybody, if you fucking sprint it hard, you wail in the bag with fucking everything you got for two minutes. 0.98

00:16:31.000 And then they go, time. 0.98

00:16:33.000 One minute's not enough.

00:16:34.000 It's not enough.

00:16:36.000 Even in preparation.

00:16:37.000 They even got tired after you've been there.

00:16:37.000 Even two minutes.

00:16:40.000 That was crazy, too.

00:16:41.000 Even in preparation for these fights, like, I'm doing 20, 30, 40 second sprints at most.

00:16:48.000 I mean, that was.

00:16:50.000 That was a two minute sprint for him.

00:16:52.000 Yes.

00:16:53.000 Full out.

00:16:54.000 Full out.

00:16:55.000 Full power.

00:16:56.000 Everything full power.

00:16:57.000 Every punch full power.

00:16:58.000 You can't even train for that.

00:16:59.000 You can't.

00:16:59.000 You've got to have spots.

00:17:00.000 Right.

00:17:01.000 And he didn't.

00:17:02.000 He was just unloading.

00:17:04.000 I mean, that's a young man with a tremendous amount of confidence because he's a two division world champion and he thinks he's going to go down as the greatest of all time.

00:17:11.000 And hey, he might still.

00:17:13.000 He might still.

00:17:14.000 What was he, 28? 0.96

00:17:15.000 The odds are fucking great against that right now. 0.97

00:17:19.000 Because of that loss? 0.98

00:17:20.000 I hope he does.

00:17:21.000 I hope he does too.

00:17:22.000 I hope he does.

00:17:23.000 And I know that he has a skill.

00:17:25.000 I know that he has the skill to be a champion again.

00:17:29.000 However, same thing with Tony Ferguson.

00:17:32.000 I didn't break Tony Ferguson's confidence.

00:17:35.000 I changed the perception of his opponents of him.

00:17:41.000 And that is a huge factor when you go in there.

00:17:43.000 Like, who are you fighting?

00:17:44.000 What do you figure?

00:17:45.000 You know, before this, he was a guy that you couldn't get through, that you couldn't push through, you couldn't survive with.

00:17:52.000 And once I showed people that all you got to do is get through that, then.

00:17:56.000 Nobody's ever going to go in there with thinking that he's unbeatable now.

00:18:01.000 And that was his identity.

00:18:05.000 And that's going to be such a tough task for him to fight people that aren't scared of him.

00:18:12.000 That's interesting.

00:18:13.000 That's Mike Tyson in his prime.

00:18:14.000 That's Anderson Silva in his prime, where the fight was lost before he even got in there.

00:18:19.000 Yeah.

00:18:20.000 The fight was lost before he even got in there.

00:18:23.000 Physically, now I don't know what the truth is, but all these reports are that he has two fractured orbitals.

00:18:30.000 And a broken nose.

00:18:34.000 Just that alone, just the orbitals alone, like anytime you've got eye injuries, like anything severe with your eyes, long term consequences vary.

00:18:43.000 Psychological.

00:18:44.000 Absolutely.

00:18:45.000 And physical.

00:18:46.000 And physical.

00:18:46.000 The body is resilient.

00:18:48.000 I'm telling you, broken bones make stronger bones.

00:18:53.000 His orbital bones will be stronger.

00:18:55.000 They will be calcified.

00:18:56.000 Justin, the orbital bone, I had my orbital broken.

00:19:00.000 For six months, I would do this and my tooth would move.

00:19:02.000 And it's right where my sinus cavity is.

00:19:04.000 You remember when you hit me with the spinning elbow?

00:19:06.000 Your tooth would move?

00:19:07.000 Dude, I can't touch your cheek.

00:19:08.000 And my tooth would move.

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00:20:06.000 I still feel the soft spot, but this is a very weak area where your sinus cavity is.

00:20:11.000 You broke both orbitals and the nose.

00:20:13.000 I do believe that Bonnie is resilient.

00:20:15.000 You ever seen Marab's nose?

00:20:17.000 You ever seen the x ray of Marab's nose?

00:20:17.000 Yeah.

00:20:19.000 No.

00:20:20.000 Dude, did I send it to you?

00:20:21.000 It looks like a spine.

00:20:23.000 Oh, my God.

00:20:24.000 He's got 33 vertebrae.

00:20:24.000 Dude.

00:20:25.000 It's literally fucking crazy. 0.99

00:20:28.000 I've had three broken noses. 0.99

00:20:29.000 I've had it fixed twice.

00:20:32.000 Yeah, I know you had it fixed.

00:20:34.000 You know, this is what.

00:20:35.000 There it is.

00:20:36.000 That's Marab's nose.

00:20:38.000 Oh, my God.

00:20:39.000 Oh, my God.

00:20:41.000 I mean, that's.

00:20:42.000 That looks like a long cocaine binge right there. 0.99

00:20:44.000 It took out the whole fucking left side of his nose. 0.99

00:20:46.000 That looks like he got hit with a sledgehammer. 1.00

00:20:48.000 That's crazy.

00:20:49.000 That nose is crazy.

00:20:50.000 That is crazy.

00:20:51.000 That is like.

00:20:53.000 And to fix it, he's going to have to have no contact for like a year.

00:20:56.000 Yeah, that's how.

00:20:57.000 And so he's not going to fix it.

00:20:58.000 He's just going to deal.

00:20:59.000 Look how turned it is.

00:21:00.000 I mean, that, the bone.

00:21:01.000 I've had my eyes fixed and my nose fixed, and my nose was better for quality of life. 0.99

00:21:08.000 Obviously, being able to see was huge, but when your nose is broken, like, you have to understand, like, Getting a haircut fucking sucks. 0.98

00:21:08.000 Oh, the nose is good. 0.98

00:21:16.000 You can't breathe through your nose, your mouth's open the whole time. 1.00

00:21:18.000 You're constantly breathing in fucking hair. 1.00

00:21:21.000 Like, there's so much. 1.00

00:21:22.000 Be that the dentist that you're choking?

00:21:25.000 Every time you eat food, like, there's something missing.

00:21:29.000 Yeah.

00:21:30.000 I wore a nose strip to bed for 10 years now.

00:21:30.000 Sleep.

00:21:33.000 You know, now I have a scab, a permanent scab, because I peel that thing off all the time.

00:21:37.000 Yeah, my nose is used to it now, but.

00:21:39.000 Yeah, nose is used to it.

00:21:43.000 When you got it fixed, which fight?

00:21:44.000 Was it before the Max fight?

00:21:46.000 Yeah, right before the Max fight.

00:21:47.000 And then you could breathe out of it perfectly.

00:21:49.000 Yeah.

00:21:50.000 Is it still good now?

00:21:51.000 Yeah, he broke it, but he didn't break. 0.98

00:21:53.000 He didn't fuck with the cartilage. 0.99

00:21:54.000 He broke. 0.99

00:21:55.000 He actually fractured the bone up top, so I didn't have to get a face.

00:21:58.000 It's another factor that when we were talking about the fight, and people were talking about this matchup with Ilya, I said, you have to think about what he did to Faziv.

00:22:09.000 Faziv is a super talented striker. 0.98

00:22:12.000 And then you also have to think about the Max Holloway fight because he was pressing in the first round, but he got caught with a jump spinning back kick to the fucking face. 0.96

00:22:20.000 And when that was, that's a game changer. 0.95

00:22:23.000 And it happened at the end of the first round.

00:22:25.000 And from that, it changed the tone of the fight because it was just dead on.

00:22:29.000 It was perfect.

00:22:30.000 Yeah.

00:22:30.000 Couldn't have landed any better.

00:22:31.000 And the truth of the matter is, psychologically, I was not there.

00:22:37.000 I was not prepared mentally for the fight when I fought Max Holloway.

00:22:41.000 It was such a different circumstance.

00:22:42.000 It was, you know, a guy that wasn't in my weight class.

00:22:45.000 It was a guy that I'd never thought about fighting.

00:22:48.000 It was for fun.

00:22:50.000 And.

00:22:51.000 That whole experience was so different than any other fight I've ever had when it comes to being mentally prepared for a fight.

00:22:59.000 What do you attribute that to?

00:23:01.000 Myself, my.

00:23:03.000 And us.

00:23:04.000 We told him to take the fight.

00:23:06.000 He didn't want to take the fight.

00:23:07.000 And then we told him that you're going to keep the title contention fight because that's what they promised us.

00:23:11.000 That's why he was very.

00:23:13.000 Well, every one of you guys, every one of you was like, oh, something was different. 0.85

00:23:16.000 It was like, well, why didn't you guys fucking say something so different? 0.72

00:23:18.000 You told me after the fight. 0.98

00:23:19.000 You didn't tell me after the fight.

00:23:20.000 I knew something was different, but I needed to know.

00:23:23.000 He told me after the fight.

00:23:24.000 He told me.

00:23:25.000 He's like this.

00:23:25.000 He's like, I just didn't respect him.

00:23:27.000 And I'm like, How could you not respect Max?

00:23:29.000 And I didn't catch on to it.

00:23:30.000 So it's like, I'm always looking for flags and things like that.

00:23:32.000 And 100%, I take 100% responsibility because that's how we learn.

00:23:36.000 Everybody makes mistakes.

00:23:37.000 I remember the Tony Ferguson fight. 0.99

00:23:38.000 I didn't give any fucking water. 0.97

00:23:40.000 You know, like there's like things that we all learn from. 0.98

00:23:42.000 But the thing when he had told me that, I'm like, how did I not catch that from you?

00:23:47.000 Because he's like, dude, he was a smaller guy, just didn't.

00:23:50.000 And I was like, dude, Max is like one of the guys that I look up to from the outside.

00:23:54.000 Like he is talented.

00:23:55.000 I remember thinking, what am I looking for?

00:23:58.000 Like, what am I afraid of?

00:24:00.000 I kept trying to convince myself that I needed to be, I needed to find what I was to be.

00:24:05.000 Worried about and I couldn't find it.

00:24:07.000 So, you always need that before a fight?

00:24:09.000 Yeah.

00:24:10.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:24:11.000 No matter who it is, you're fighting.

00:24:12.000 You know?

00:24:12.000 Right.

00:24:13.000 Right.

00:24:13.000 Yeah.

00:24:13.000 And so, like, I was, I've never been as present and, like, I've never been able to retain a fight.

00:24:20.000 And I, you know, before the knockout, I was there.

00:24:23.000 Like, I was in the arena.

00:24:27.000 I saw the lights.

00:24:28.000 I saw the people.

00:24:29.000 I heard the people.

00:24:30.000 Like, I've never been there in my life.

00:24:32.000 And I think that I can attribute that to me not being scared and so me not.

00:24:38.000 You know, me not being in a real fight or flight, real life or death situation.

00:24:43.000 So you weren't fully focused.

00:24:45.000 You could actually hear the crowd.

00:24:46.000 Yeah, I could hear my thoughts.

00:24:49.000 You know, I had thoughts.

00:24:51.000 I've never had thoughts in a fight because I'm so intuitive and reactionary.

00:24:55.000 And that one was just so dear.

00:24:56.000 There was so much.

00:24:57.000 And so, sure, the kicks, the eye pokes.

00:25:00.000 No, I think I was not, I couldn't have beat him that night with the mentality that I had.

00:25:06.000 And that was my last lesson to learn.

00:25:09.000 I had made my lessons with Oliveira.

00:25:14.000 I wanted it so much.

00:25:16.000 I wanted it so bad.

00:25:17.000 And I wanted to perform and I wanted to impress my fans. 1.00

00:25:21.000 You know, Rose had a fight that night and she fought like absolute garbage.

00:25:26.000 And I told my coach, I was like, Coach, don't worry. 0.83

00:25:29.000 I won't do that to you.

00:25:30.000 He said that right before we're about to walk.

00:25:31.000 Right before we're about to walk.

00:25:32.000 I was like, Don't worry, coach.

00:25:33.000 I won't ever let you down like that.

00:25:35.000 And coach is pissed. 1.00

00:25:36.000 And everyone's, you know, the locker room's all fucked up because Pat's fucking weird. 0.99

00:25:40.000 Is that the Carlos Sparza fight? 0.99

00:25:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:42.000 Was that the same night?

00:25:43.000 And I was at home.

00:25:44.000 And so there was just, and that was again, that was my fault.

00:25:47.000 I allowed those things to affect me.

00:25:49.000 And to, you know, affect my fighting decisions rather than just being myself.

00:25:49.000 Right.

00:25:58.000 And so that was a huge mistake.

00:26:01.000 Another mistake was, you know, winning two or three times in a row and just kind of becoming complacent with how serious what we do is and how dangerous this game is.

00:26:14.000 And how much luck and chance are a factor every single night.

00:26:19.000 And so, you know, I wasn't doing the extra credit.

00:26:22.000 I wasn't sitting in the sauna at home, you know, and I don't know.

00:26:27.000 It's just, and I made that mistake probably into the Eddie Alvarez, Dustin Poirier fights, lost, and then I won three or four in a row.

00:26:27.000 I don't know why.

00:26:36.000 And then I completely went back to the same mindset of, I'm the best in the world.

00:26:40.000 Nobody can beat me.

00:26:41.000 And I paid for it.

00:26:43.000 And those two mistakes were huge, very, very big learning lessons.

00:26:47.000 And then, The Charles Oliver fight, you know, I was like, I wanted it so bad.

00:26:52.000 And then I made the moment so much bigger than it actually was because it's just 25 minutes in time.

00:26:59.000 And all I can control is being perfect, my preparation for it, but then ultimately being there for 25 minutes and being perfect.

00:27:06.000 And yeah, those are the mistakes that I made.

00:27:08.000 I had to learn, I had to make those mistakes.

00:27:10.000 I would not change anything about my career.

00:27:12.000 I think the farther back into my career you go, the more special this moment is.

00:27:16.000 And, you know, I think in time, again, I've.

00:27:20.000 This is going to age.

00:27:20.000 Like, my career is something special.

00:27:23.000 The way that I did it, the way that I lost, the way that I stayed on track, the way that I threatened retirement if I wasn't going to get a title shot, the way I called my shots along the way, then the discipline I had.

00:27:38.000 I mean, it's second to none.

00:27:41.000 I've watched this sport my whole life.

00:27:43.000 Since 1992, my dad showed me.

00:27:45.000 I remember as a four year old seeing it.

00:27:46.000 I don't have a lot of great memories.

00:27:51.000 I remember my childhood, but it's not like you have specifics.

00:27:53.000 But I remember seeing it for my first time in my dad's bedroom.

00:27:57.000 We were sitting there watching it together, and I was enthralled.

00:28:01.000 I was like, This is amazing. 1.00

00:28:03.000 I love this shit. 1.00

00:28:04.000 Can you picture that? 1.00

00:28:05.000 Hit with like a baby bottle, just squeeze it in.

00:28:07.000 Dude, I just pictured it.

00:28:09.000 I love it.

00:28:10.000 And then I watched it, and then I was a diehard fan.

00:28:13.000 I've been a diehard fan ever since then.

00:28:15.000 And especially in 2001 when it came along, I was probably in seventh or eighth grade, sixth or seventh grade, and just fell in love with it.

00:28:21.000 And then me and Carl going into college, we'd go and sit at Buffalo Wild Wings for six, seven, eight hours, spend $5.

00:28:28.000 Those poor.

00:28:29.000 Service people.

00:28:31.000 It's just amazing that you've been able to keep this ferocious mentality for so long. 0.79

00:28:37.000 Because I remember when you first entered into the UFC, the Michael Johnson fight, I was so pumped for it because I was like, get ready because this is going to be fucking wild.

00:28:45.000 Because I had been a fan of yours when you were fighting, what was it, World Series of Fighting?

00:28:48.000 And then that Michael Johnson fight was everything that I thought it would be. 0.98

00:28:51.000 Fucking crazy. 0.99

00:28:52.000 Just a wild ass fight. 1.00

00:28:54.000 Crazy coming out party. 0.97

00:28:55.000 Dude, I giggled so many times in that fight.

00:28:58.000 Dude, when you went against the cage and you were like this, you looked back and you were like, oh, I'm looking for the shot.

00:29:02.000 You're like, Block it off the thing.

00:29:04.000 And then you come back with the right hook and then you let it back in again.

00:29:07.000 Then you hit it with the right hook again off the cage.

00:29:09.000 Dude, there were so many giggle sessions in there.

00:29:11.000 I wasn't nervous because, just again, that's the way he fights.

00:29:14.000 And I'm like, no one's going to forget this fight.

00:29:15.000 Michael Johnson was swinging.

00:29:17.000 Swinging.

00:29:18.000 And caught him with that left hand a few times.

00:29:20.000 Well, that's the same left hand he knocked out Dustin with.

00:29:22.000 His left hand is so fast.

00:29:24.000 It is so fast.

00:29:25.000 And Michael has power.

00:29:26.000 Yeah, he does.

00:29:27.000 He is fast.

00:29:28.000 Dude, and he was trying to win.

00:29:30.000 I mean, he was going all out.

00:29:33.000 That you guys just emptied out in that fight.

00:29:35.000 It was fantastic.

00:29:36.000 And I was like, there it is.

00:29:38.000 The three rounder to get off the backflip took three rounds.

00:29:42.000 He got up there, fell off, got up there, fell off.

00:29:44.000 I was like, you can do it.

00:29:45.000 I'm out there motivating you.

00:29:47.000 I always get so scared for your knees when you do that.

00:29:49.000 I'm like, please don't hurt your knees after you won the title.

00:29:52.000 100%, baby.

00:29:53.000 I ain't missed it yet. 0.98

00:29:54.000 We're training for Khabib.

00:29:56.000 We're over at high altitude.

00:29:57.000 He's doing backflips off the cage.

00:30:00.000 And I was like, stop.

00:30:02.000 Do this after the fight.

00:30:03.000 Yeah, he's like, hey, no more backflips.

00:30:05.000 I was like, Today, today's the day. 1.00

00:30:07.000 The day is the day I become a bitch. 0.99

00:30:09.000 Like, today's the day. 0.99

00:30:11.000 I'll never forget that moment.

00:30:12.000 I turned my head.

00:30:12.000 He's like, you know what?

00:30:13.000 I was like, nah.

00:30:14.000 Go ahead.

00:30:15.000 That is very true, right?

00:30:16.000 When you get something and all of a sudden you're special, then you start protecting it and then you won't be special anymore.

00:30:23.000 Yeah.

00:30:23.000 That's what makes it really special.

00:30:25.000 That's why I told him I was like, today's the day, huh? 1.00

00:30:27.000 He's fucking crazy. 1.00

00:30:28.000 Like, I never want him to stop being fucking crazy. 1.00

00:30:30.000 Like, everything about him in life, when you play golf with him, he's the highlight. 0.99

00:30:36.000 Like, it's like everything you do is the highlight.

00:30:40.000 Like his life is like his fighting. 0.99

00:30:41.000 He's fucking wild. 0.99

00:30:42.000 So, your mentality, you've never had to work on. 0.99

00:30:45.000 I mean, obviously, you've learned lessons along the way, but you've never had to like sit down and work on this mindset.

00:30:51.000 It's always been something you inherently possessed.

00:30:54.000 Yeah.

00:30:55.000 I think.

00:30:55.000 Yeah.

00:30:56.000 It's crazy.

00:30:58.000 I think people just complicate things so much.

00:31:00.000 Like, when you can truly understand that there is things you can't control, but it's not everything, you can only control what's inside of you.

00:31:10.000 You know, you can only control how you perceive things.

00:31:12.000 How you react to things.

00:31:14.000 The work you put in.

00:31:15.000 Obviously, the preparation.

00:31:16.000 Yeah.

00:31:17.000 But it's, I mean, there's so much, you know, and I guess I always knew that something was coming because no matter how far off the road, you know, like I've made mistakes.

00:31:33.000 You know, I've done, I was never an alcoholic.

00:31:37.000 Thank God I was never an alcoholic.

00:31:39.000 But I was, I could say I was probably a drug addict at one time in my life.

00:31:45.000 And what drugs?

00:31:48.000 I don't know.

00:31:48.000 I have never told my parents about this.

00:31:50.000 I don't know.

00:31:51.000 You don't have to.

00:31:51.000 All of them.

00:31:52.000 All of them. 0.81

00:31:53.000 I want so, but it's gonna, and I know this is gonna sound stupid, but so I went to school for human services.

00:31:58.000 I wanted to help people.

00:32:01.000 A big part of that is helping people come off drugs.

00:32:03.000 And I lost many, over a handful of friends, really close friends from drugs.

00:32:09.000 Where I come from, we're not far from Mexico, and we had the best. 0.99

00:32:12.000 We had the best shit coming right across the border before I ever got cut up. 0.99

00:32:19.000 And it was, It was my life, you know, where I'm from is very boring. 1.00

00:32:23.000 And so, like, you chase again, you know, we have it so good in this country.

00:32:26.000 We're always trying to create chaos in order to feel something.

00:32:30.000 And I guess that's what I was probably doing.

00:32:34.000 And in college is when I really, you know, I was like, if I'm going to help people come off of drugs, then how can I ever even try to understand if I don't know what they're chasing?

00:32:46.000 And so, that was a part of it.

00:32:49.000 And also, a part was, it felt good, you know?

00:32:53.000 And so, You know, once I did certain things, I knew what people were chasing.

00:33:01.000 But then I always knew that something was bigger for me and better for me, and I had something to do.

00:33:06.000 And so that was always, it was never a crutch for me.

00:33:09.000 I was always like, that was awesome.

00:33:11.000 You know, I'm not doing it again.

00:33:13.000 What is it in your head that you always knew that you had something bigger?

00:33:19.000 Well, probably my faith.

00:33:21.000 I mean, I've been, my parents, the best thing they ever did for me was make me go to church every single Sunday.

00:33:29.000 Create a relationship with God through the word of Jesus Christ and just trying to live up to those expectations.

00:33:40.000 Um, I knew not that I was going to be a champion or anything, I just knew that I couldn't take the easy way out.

00:33:48.000 You know, um, when you're on drugs or when you're living a lifestyle like that, then nobody expects anything from you, nobody wants anything from you, and that's the easy way to live, you know.

00:33:59.000 Right.

00:34:00.000 There's no pressure.

00:34:01.000 No expectations.

00:34:02.000 No expectations, no pressure.

00:34:03.000 And I mean, it really is.

00:34:05.000 I can understand how you can let that overcome the passion to live.

00:34:12.000 You know, and I don't know.

00:34:14.000 I just think the passion to live because of my faith has never outweighed my desire to feel good.

00:34:25.000 I want to talk about the shift that you made in your career from being the most exciting guy in the world.

00:34:32.000 Wanting to be the most exciting guy in the world, being happy with performing to the best of your ability, whether you win or lose, to wanting to get the belt.

00:34:42.000 What started that decision?

00:34:46.000 It's weird because I don't remember a time or a day where I made a change other than I'm not going to get hit.

00:34:57.000 You know, in the Dustin Poirier fight and the Eddie Alvarez fight, I absolutely almost broke them.

00:35:05.000 And it was no different than any of my other fights.

00:35:06.000 Nobody had just ever, same with Ilya, you know, like nobody had ever got past it.

00:35:11.000 Nobody had ever been able to withstand the ferocity of my actions for two or three rounds.

00:35:17.000 And then those guys did.

00:35:19.000 And I was like, what happened?

00:35:23.000 You know?

00:35:23.000 And ultimately, I put myself in a position and I got hit with a shot that took me out of the fight.

00:35:33.000 And so after those fights, I was like, I have to not take these shots.

00:35:38.000 And that was ultimately all I can say that I changed mentally.

00:35:43.000 Is I'm gonna, I don't want to get hit.

00:35:45.000 I used to never care about getting hit because it's like, it doesn't hurt.

00:35:49.000 Nothing hurts in there.

00:35:50.000 You don't feel nothing.

00:35:51.000 It's never hurt.

00:35:53.000 And so that was really just the mindset.

00:35:55.000 I just need to not let them get me in a predicament where I'm not able to, where they have to stop the fight.

00:36:02.000 So the shift.

00:36:03.000 But he probably from the outside, outside source.

00:36:06.000 Yeah, it's definitely there.

00:36:08.000 And it wasn't just like an instant shift, it was the two losses in a row with Eddie and Poirier.

00:36:08.000 There was a shift.

00:36:14.000 Where he's like, I'm winning these fights and I need to be able to get to the distance.

00:36:19.000 And I was like, All right, we got to become a spot fighter because you just drowned people.

00:36:23.000 And what's happening is you're making mistakes.

00:36:25.000 We threw a low kick against Poirier.

00:36:26.000 He got caught because he's based back lazy with his shoulders above his hips.

00:36:31.000 So I was like, All right, let's be sharp.

00:36:32.000 Let's fight in spots.

00:36:34.000 Then he goes on a three fight win streak where he's finding the right spots and putting people out from Vic to Barbosa into Cowboy Cerrone.

00:36:42.000 Then that's where he's like, and then I sat down with him and I was like, Do you want to be a champion?

00:36:47.000 And I was like, this is how you have to fight to be a champion, is be smart.

00:36:52.000 And he never said he didn't want to be the most excited fighter anymore.

00:36:56.000 He would tell me after fights, he's like, I'm not even trying to fight excited, but look at me. 0.94

00:37:00.000 And it's like, fucking, like, it's so amazing. 0.98

00:37:02.000 Like, it's in him. 0.99

00:37:03.000 It's just, how do we get you to sprint 50 yards, pull back for 100 yards and jog, and then sprint for 50 yards and, like, be able to know your red line?

00:37:13.000 Don't cross over that red line.

00:37:14.000 Don't hold red line.

00:37:15.000 Well, that is, again, the experience that you found in wars. 0.90

00:37:18.000 It was so critical.

00:37:19.000 Yeah, he could do it.

00:37:21.000 But yeah, we don't want to make mistakes, and it is.

00:37:23.000 I think it's crazy.

00:37:24.000 I think, um, again, the fact that they said that he had outstruck me in the first round 39 to 32 or something, he landed some hard jabs.

00:37:31.000 Yeah, but yeah, there's years were devastating.

00:37:34.000 He might have touched and thundered.

00:37:35.000 I'm talking about the perception.

00:37:38.000 Yeah, it looks like I'm getting hit, it looks like it's a but I mean, my I don't have special skin, I am able to see punches and roll with them and roll with punches.

00:37:50.000 If you watch my you know fights frame by frame, I'm not getting hit.

00:37:54.000 For the most part, you're moving with the punches.

00:37:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:58.000 It's be like water.

00:37:59.000 Like I'm constantly, you know, and intuitively making these calculations.

00:38:05.000 That's the scoring that when you see that, I don't know who's counting that, but that's like amateur boxing.

00:38:11.000 Amateur boxing, if the white glove touches you in the face, even if it's not a clean blow, that's considered, that's how you judge.

00:38:17.000 And that's where, Justin, I think, where you look at it from a point system, you can't just look at the screen.

00:38:17.000 Yes.

00:38:23.000 And that's why, you know, judges can't look at a screen and go, oh, this guy landed more.

00:38:28.000 This is who won.

00:38:29.000 You had the damaging blows.

00:38:30.000 I think everybody knows that.

00:38:31.000 Like, I get it.

00:38:32.000 Like, I see the way you roll a shot.

00:38:34.000 I see the way that you fade off and allow the shot not to go through your skull and deflect it.

00:38:39.000 It still gets touched to you.

00:38:40.000 So it's considered that they landed that shot.

00:38:42.000 But the damage is like what you do to people by the way that you hip through, that you drive through people.

00:38:48.000 It's so different.

00:38:49.000 Like, Justin Hits, unlike any, he still, I still think to this day, we got to ask the UFC, but they did a test on him to see who has the hardest bones of the UFC.

00:38:57.000 He had the hardest bones.

00:38:58.000 Dude, he kicks me.

00:38:59.000 And I'm just like, dude, I, I'm so glad.

00:39:01.000 I feel so bad for Luke.

00:39:03.000 He didn't let me kick him.

00:39:04.000 Oh, God, dude.

00:39:04.000 Luke could do just take a walk.

00:39:06.000 He has his pad on.

00:39:07.000 He has his pad on. 1.00

00:39:08.000 I kick him, and his nuts swell up. 1.00

00:39:10.000 Dude, I get blue balls, bro. 1.00

00:39:11.000 And so I can't kick you. 1.00

00:39:12.000 There's a nerve on the inside of your leg.

00:39:14.000 I talked to a doctor about it because I'm like, bro, he kicks people and they bruise on the inside of their leg.

00:39:18.000 And it's because the shock through, but there's a nerve on the inside of the leg. 0.99

00:39:21.000 I'd go home and I'd tell my wife, I'm like, babe, I got fucking blue balls. 0.99

00:39:24.000 And she's like, from who? 0.99

00:39:25.000 And I'm like, Justin. 1.00

00:39:25.000 She looks at me like, what the fuck you got blue balls from Justin for? 1.00

00:39:30.000 One of the things you were doing early in your career that I always thought was so wild was you were leg kicking people from a collar tie. 1.00

00:39:36.000 Like, you were leg kicking people.

00:39:37.000 And I was like, oh my goodness.

00:39:38.000 I'm like, how come no one's doing that?

00:39:40.000 Like, you were one of the only guys that I saw that was doing that, that was from the clinch, was leg kicking. 0.98

00:39:46.000 You've got some fucking flexible hips, man. 0.97

00:39:49.000 Because the way you're able to do that from like right in tight like this and then, and not just throw the leg out, you're whipping in there. 0.99

00:39:56.000 Yeah, he pulls them to their lead leg.

00:39:58.000 So he's making a base on that knee.

00:39:59.000 And then it's just like you got a stump in the ground or you're just trying to bend that tree.

00:40:03.000 Man, he's very good at that.

00:40:03.000 Yeah.

00:40:05.000 Let me tell you something about Luke.

00:40:06.000 Because I got into the octagon right after you won.

00:40:09.000 And Luke and I looked at each other. 1.00

00:40:11.000 He was like, dude, the bastard. 1.00

00:40:14.000 He's like, dude, he's like, He was so pumped. 1.00

00:40:17.000 He hugged me so hard.

00:40:18.000 He was so happy. 0.69

00:40:20.000 It was amazing because seeing all those videos and knowing he's in camp with you all the time and knowing how much he loves you, watching the happiness that he had when you won was fucking incredible. 0.52

00:40:30.000 No, Luke is one of my really, really good friends. 0.88

00:40:32.000 He pukes every time before a fight.

00:40:34.000 Every time.

00:40:34.000 Before Trevor was in my corner, Luke cornered me.

00:40:36.000 He used to go to Arizona with me.

00:40:38.000 I had no coaches.

00:40:40.000 I would just do it in between, you know, in between wrestling seasons.

00:40:43.000 And yeah, he would go down there with me and just wrap my hands and he would just be there.

00:40:47.000 Wow.

00:40:47.000 He's amazing.

00:40:48.000 One of the best human beings on earth, dude.

00:40:49.000 Yeah, I love that, man.

00:40:50.000 Hey, did you tell him about the Sunday?

00:40:53.000 So, the Sunday before the fight? 1.00

00:40:55.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:40:56.000 So, there was one time, I think it was in the cowboy fight, where you were pummeling with Ben, and he'd finish with a low kick on Ben every time, and I'm like, stop kicking your coach. 1.00

00:41:05.000 And he looks at me, he's like, Trevor, he used to drag me back on the mats.

00:41:08.000 He's like, I'm going to kick him.

00:41:09.000 I was like, all right, cool. 0.63

00:41:10.000 You guys got to be. 1.00

00:41:12.000 Give me this opportunity to beat his ass. 1.00

00:41:13.000 So, we go golfing, Joe. 1.00

00:41:15.000 Sunday, we go golfing.

00:41:17.000 Sunday before the fight, we get there Saturday, we go golfing Sunday.

00:41:20.000 And you know, it's a Sunday, we never work out on Sundays.

00:41:23.000 And Trevor, not Trevor, Luke and Ben got pickled on the golf course.

00:41:29.000 They each had like three very, very, very stiff, um, uh, Bloody Marys.

00:41:34.000 Luke bought like 12 beers because we got there and they're like, Hey, everything's on the president.

00:41:39.000 And he's like, Yeah, I've never heard that before.

00:41:42.000 Everybody's on the president, I'm gonna drink.

00:41:44.000 And so, like, whole 10 or 11, Trevor's like, Let's with them, let's tell them that we're gonna work out later.

00:41:48.000 Well, we're gonna work out, but I'm telling them they're gonna be the workout.

00:41:51.000 I didn't know we were working out.

00:41:53.000 Put it there.

00:41:53.000 I had no idea.

00:41:54.000 We're definitely working out.

00:41:54.000 He's gonna find us Sunday.

00:41:55.000 I thought he was fucking with me. 0.98

00:41:56.000 We're out there golfing. 1.00

00:41:57.000 It's hot as shit. 0.99

00:41:58.000 I'm sweating my ass off. 0.99

00:41:59.000 I had no idea we were working out that day. 1.00

00:42:01.000 And he's like, let's fuck with him. 1.00

00:42:02.000 Let's tell him that we're gonna work out. 1.00

00:42:03.000 I was like, all right, cool.

00:42:04.000 So I told him I was gonna text him and give the workout because I'll lay out the workout for everybody.

00:42:08.000 And I told Luke he was gonna go three rounds of sparring, full on sparring.

00:42:12.000 And then Ben's gotta go 40 minutes straight.

00:42:15.000 No breaks, just grappling.

00:42:17.000 Not wrestling, just grappling. 0.99

00:42:18.000 Dude, and I told Justin, and I was like, all right, let's fuck with him, see how he is. 1.00

00:42:18.000 And they're fucked up. 1.00

00:42:21.000 And dude, instantly, I didn't text it. 1.00

00:42:23.000 We just started talking about it.

00:42:24.000 So we're on the way home, driving home, and dude, Ben is like, dude, he's like, I'll just take you down.

00:42:31.000 And he's like, I asked him, how many times are you going to take him down?

00:42:34.000 As many as I want.

00:42:34.000 As many times as I want.

00:42:35.000 Dude, he's like, 40 minutes?

00:42:36.000 Let's go see the kids.

00:42:37.000 60 minutes.

00:42:38.000 So they went 20.

00:42:39.000 Dude, you got, what, seven submissions on your coach?

00:42:41.000 He drunk them back on the mats.

00:42:42.000 It was so funny because I was like, dude, you got to drag them back on the mats because I got to witness this.

00:42:45.000 It's funny because I got a video.

00:42:47.000 Dude, it was so funny.

00:42:48.000 So we get home.

00:42:49.000 I go down and take a nap for like two hours and they just stay drinking upstairs. 1.00

00:42:54.000 Talking shit. 1.00

00:42:55.000 My YouTube guy filmed everything and they're just talking so much shit. 1.00

00:42:58.000 Fuck me up. 1.00

00:42:58.000 How they're going to. 1.00

00:42:59.000 Luke was good though.

00:43:00.000 Luke was like, he was trying to ban us.

00:43:01.000 Luke's been through it, man.

00:43:02.000 Luke's like, you're really going to say that?

00:43:04.000 Yeah, Luke's like, hey, I ain't saying any of this.

00:43:06.000 Not me and Tim.

00:43:07.000 But they're making a plan how they're going to team up on me.

00:43:10.000 And so it's funny. 0.99

00:43:12.000 Then he got the video there and I'm beating Ben's ass. 0.99

00:43:15.000 No, actually, I went with Luke first and I was fucking him up. 0.99

00:43:18.000 And Luke's punching Ben because Ben won't jump in. 0.96

00:43:20.000 Yeah, so Ben sees the way. 0.99

00:43:21.000 Ben's like, what the fuck, Ben? 1.00

00:43:23.000 What the fuck, Ben? 1.00

00:43:24.000 Now's the time. 1.00

00:43:25.000 And he's asking for help, asking for help. 1.00

00:43:27.000 I beat his ass and I did it. 1.00

00:43:28.000 We have fun for sure. 1.00

00:43:30.000 It looks great.

00:43:31.000 Great coaches.

00:43:32.000 Our whole team is just, everybody's so dialed in.

00:43:34.000 Yeah, that whole week is one of my favorite experiences.

00:43:35.000 Every time we go, that whole week is one of my favorite experiences.

00:43:37.000 You were using the sauna in between workouts as well.

00:43:41.000 And before.

00:43:41.000 And so we were.

00:43:42.000 Nothing. 0.97

00:43:43.000 That just sucked. 0.93

00:43:44.000 I say it was perfect. 0.99

00:43:45.000 You say it was perfect.

00:43:46.000 It was not.

00:43:47.000 It was detrimental to our services.

00:43:49.000 Yes.

00:43:49.000 The humidity was there.

00:43:49.000 Outside.

00:43:51.000 I didn't realize it because obviously it's not something I can worry about right now. 0.99

00:43:55.000 But after round one, I just remember thinking, oh, fuck. 0.99

00:43:59.000 I am so tired right now. 0.99

00:44:01.000 How is this possible?

00:44:02.000 And the amount of fluid I lost was.

00:44:05.000 Thank God it wasn't.

00:44:05.000 I probably lost like 50 pounds.

00:44:06.000 Yeah, because it was in the 70s.

00:44:08.000 Yeah, 70s with the cool breeze.

00:44:08.000 Dude.

00:44:10.000 You know, when you go out there, what you feel is the cool breeze, but.

00:44:12.000 Just heavy air though.

00:44:13.000 In the fight, man, it was different.

00:44:15.000 Yeah, I hated the fact that it was going to happen, but I'm glad it did.

00:44:19.000 Again, I would not change.

00:44:20.000 Again, I think.

00:44:21.000 How could you change it?

00:44:22.000 It affects me.

00:44:23.000 It affects him.

00:44:24.000 Again, I grew up in the country.

00:44:26.000 He's a city boy.

00:44:27.000 There's no way he's not a city boy.

00:44:28.000 I don't know him personally, but there's no way he's not a city boy. 0.99

00:44:32.000 And so, as a country boy from the desert in Arizona, I was hoping that it would be hot as fuck. 1.00

00:44:39.000 Hot as fuck. 1.00

00:44:41.000 When he sat down on the stool, I was like, oh, God, these outside fights kill me. 1.00

00:44:45.000 You know, he was doing his best.

00:44:45.000 Yeah.

00:44:46.000 Yeah, after round one, they're like, dude, you were shaking.

00:44:48.000 Dude, he was like trembling. 0.99

00:44:49.000 I was like, holy shit. 0.95

00:44:51.000 Well, it is crazy to ask people to defend a world title in a completely alien environment that you never have fights in. 0.98

00:44:57.000 We've had how many fights outside?

00:44:59.000 We've had the Abu Dhabi fight in like, what was that, 2000 and fucking nine or something like that. 0.54

00:45:05.000 No, they did.

00:45:05.000 Yeah, Poirier fought that.

00:45:06.000 Didn't the.

00:45:07.000 What was the setting?

00:45:09.000 I wasn't there.

00:45:10.000 It was.

00:45:10.000 When Adesanya did his famous walkout in like a.

00:45:13.000 It was covered, but it was.

00:45:15.000 It seemed like the environment was.

00:45:17.000 Outside.

00:45:18.000 Poirier against.

00:45:19.000 In Abu Dhabi.

00:45:20.000 So the first in Abu Dhabi.

00:45:22.000 Well, we did one in Abu Dhabi when BJ.

00:45:25.000 The big arena.

00:45:27.000 Lost to Frankie Edgar.

00:45:28.000 That was outside in Abu Dhabi.

00:45:32.000 And that was when Anderson Silva fought Damian Maya.

00:45:34.000 Is that with it with that Ferrari building?

00:45:37.000 The Ferrari building was there, but I don't know if it was in the same place.

00:45:42.000 Did they have a fight in the Ferrari building?

00:45:43.000 I think they did, but I wasn't there for that one.

00:45:45.000 I only went to one of the Abu Dhabi fights.

00:45:47.000 Yeah, it wasn't that long ago.

00:45:49.000 Remember, we were talking about it within the last seven years.

00:45:52.000 Remember the dude in Morocco said after the first round he was done, he was just trying to survive?

00:45:56.000 He said it was so hot, remember?

00:45:57.000 Yeah, no, I mean, that's what I remember it being over there.

00:46:01.000 And then, you know, once you realize the climate over there and the humidity, it's like, do you remember Bow Dog?

00:46:06.000 Remember Bow Dog fights?

00:46:07.000 Bow Dog fights, yep.

00:46:08.000 They had a fight outside in the sun on the beach.

00:46:13.000 Caesar Palace in Vegas.

00:46:15.000 Remember Caesar Palace?

00:46:16.000 The boxing.

00:46:17.000 We got to fight there.

00:46:18.000 Vernal Phillips against Cassie Mouma.

00:46:19.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:46:20.000 They used to always do it outside.

00:46:22.000 World 2 was a fighting around that NASCAR event.

00:46:25.000 Yeah, that was crazy.

00:46:28.000 Duran versus Hearns was outside.

00:46:30.000 They were great, yeah.

00:46:32.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:46:32.000 That's right.

00:46:33.000 At least Vegas is dry.

00:46:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:37.000 Arizona, Vegas, Colorado.

00:46:37.000 Totally.

00:46:39.000 Yeah, humidity was what I was training for with him heat stroke.

00:46:42.000 Like dealing with it where you can't breathe this heavy air.

00:46:44.000 So were you putting water on the rocks in the sauna as well?

00:46:47.000 Absolutely.

00:46:49.000 And we trained in a hotter gym.

00:46:50.000 I'd turn the temperature up in the gyms just so he's getting used to dealing with a little bit more heat stroke.

00:46:54.000 We would spike my heart rate.

00:46:56.000 And then I would go in the sauna for 15 minutes, and I would come out and do eight to ten rounds.

00:47:01.000 It was great.

00:47:02.000 I'm so glad we did it.

00:47:03.000 Very smart.

00:47:04.000 Very smart.

00:47:05.000 Because that environment is, I mean, it's so completely different.

00:47:09.000 I just, ultimately, I think the best way to fight is obviously the way you usually fight.

00:47:13.000 Yeah.

00:47:14.000 Controlled environment.

00:47:15.000 That's how it should be.

00:47:15.000 It was cool, though, Joe.

00:47:16.000 You know why?

00:47:17.000 It was so cool.

00:47:18.000 So we went and did a rehearsal.

00:47:20.000 Okay.

00:47:20.000 And I'm like, why are we rehearsing a walkthrough?

00:47:22.000 Like, this ain't a freaking wedding.

00:47:24.000 Like, just tell us where to go.

00:47:25.000 The camera guys are always like, all right, you're Mark.

00:47:27.000 Here's five.

00:47:28.000 So why are we doing this?

00:47:30.000 And then we go there and we get stuck in this locker room for two hours, hour and a half, because of rain.

00:47:35.000 And, Thank God that happened because then I started to go, oh, because it's all unexpected.

00:47:41.000 How Iliad said, hey, I'm a visualizer.

00:47:42.000 I can't visualize this arena.

00:47:45.000 And I visualize a lot too.

00:47:46.000 So I was like, I felt the exact same thing when he said that.

00:47:49.000 And that's when I knew, hey, these are going to be some huge unknowns.

00:47:52.000 And I had told him that night because the rain was coming.

00:47:55.000 Like, it was crazy how the storm split around because it was all bright red.

00:47:59.000 I was like, this is thunderstorms.

00:48:01.000 They were talking about pushing the fight to 10 30 p.m.

00:48:04.000 We had planned on fighting at the start of the night.

00:48:06.000 Yeah, 2 in the morning was what I was talking about.

00:48:07.000 I started staying up to like 3 a.m. after the rehearsal.

00:48:09.000 I was like, It could be 3 a.m. when we fight.

00:48:11.000 I'm going to just start staying up.

00:48:12.000 But that's what was cool.

00:48:13.000 Like the walkout, like having the soldiers, like just walking through the soldiers.

00:48:17.000 There was that.

00:48:19.000 We weren't able to take any of this in, Joe.

00:48:22.000 And I can't really speak for him.

00:48:23.000 I know where his mindset was. 0.97

00:48:24.000 I couldn't, from a coach's standpoint, I was nervous as fuck because you don't know. 0.95

00:48:28.000 There's no pattern I can take on right now and kind of put myself and breathe to it. 0.96

00:48:33.000 It was very unique.

00:48:34.000 And at the end, I couldn't even really smile.

00:48:36.000 It was just like, dude, I'm just like blown away.

00:48:40.000 Now I can kind of just look around slowly and just try to take in everything.

00:48:43.000 Because it was very, very hard to go through that scenario with the pressure of us fighting on this stage at the White House.

00:48:54.000 We're the Americans.

00:48:55.000 We're a 6 1 underdog.

00:48:56.000 That gets to you.

00:48:58.000 When you hear that over and over and over and over, you connect your phone.

00:49:02.000 Dude, you caught one.

00:49:03.000 You caught a Marlin.

00:49:06.000 But having. 0.57

00:49:08.000 So you left.

00:49:09.000 Just that scenario was so unique.

00:49:12.000 And then once it was over, then it was like, now I get to enjoy.

00:49:15.000 The White House and just being here in this great environment.

00:49:18.000 There you can see it.

00:49:19.000 What is he reading there?

00:49:20.000 Is that the Declaration of Independence?

00:49:22.000 Yep.

00:49:22.000 So we weren't in the room with him right there.

00:49:24.000 Through the rehearsal.

00:49:25.000 Yeah.

00:49:25.000 How crazy is that?

00:49:27.000 He's in the Oval Office stepping out.

00:49:29.000 And then all the soldiers walking through.

00:49:31.000 So cool.

00:49:32.000 Like having the two guys next to him.

00:49:34.000 And a lot of people complained about this happening at the White House.

00:49:40.000 Do you not think this is cool?

00:49:41.000 This is fighting.

00:49:43.000 How could you not like this?

00:49:44.000 How could anyone not?

00:49:44.000 This is fighting.

00:49:45.000 This shouldn't be taking place. 1.00

00:49:46.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:49:46.000 Place to watch. 1.00

00:49:48.000 Dude, life is a fight.

00:49:49.000 World is a fight.

00:49:50.000 This is incredible to watch.

00:49:52.000 Inspirational.

00:49:52.000 It's a wild thing to watch.

00:49:54.000 By the way, how much gold did Trump put on those walls?

00:49:56.000 Look, he's got gold everywhere. 1.00

00:49:57.000 Look at these fucking gold designs. 0.99

00:49:59.000 When we were at the Oval Office, first thing I said is, I was like, this thing is small as hell. 0.99

00:50:03.000 Like, when I see it on pictures, it seems so big. 0.99

00:50:06.000 But the gold pieces on the wall is the first thing I was like, they dust that shit every day because, dude, it was so clean. 0.98

00:50:12.000 Well, he put that up there. 0.99

00:50:13.000 None of that was there.

00:50:13.000 Really?

00:50:14.000 None of that was there.

00:50:15.000 He was explaining it to me.

00:50:16.000 There was no gold.

00:50:17.000 I wanted to have gold.

00:50:18.000 He's got a gold cherub, like a solid gold cherub that's above one of the doors.

00:50:23.000 He goes, If Putin comes, hopefully it doesn't fall on his head.

00:50:26.000 It's like he's got gold everywhere.

00:50:27.000 It's all him.

00:50:28.000 He redesigned a bunch of the things.

00:50:29.000 You know, he's a builder, right?

00:50:31.000 So that's why he wanted to do the ballroom.

00:50:33.000 That's why he wanted to keep it, you know.

00:50:35.000 He likes everything in gold.

00:50:37.000 He's a gold guy.

00:50:38.000 What was that, Austin Powers?

00:50:41.000 Bro, watch.

00:50:42.000 We were just watching you look at the Declaration of Independence before you walked out, which is also wild.

00:50:48.000 Like, this is never going to happen again.

00:50:50.000 This is more historic than Rumble in the Jungle, more historic than.

00:50:54.000 I mean, think about all the great fights that we've all watched as kids that were like, remember that?

00:51:01.000 This tops everything because of the scene, because of the fact that not only is it at the White House, but the American who's a six to one on some books underdog pulls it off in spectacular fashion.

00:51:15.000 And just the seesaw of the fight was huge.

00:51:17.000 The back and forth of the fight was fucking huge because the second round was crazy. 0.94

00:51:21.000 It was like, oh no. 0.97

00:51:22.000 And letting it go on again.

00:51:24.000 So our corner, all the coaches were like, dude, they're going to stop it.

00:51:27.000 And I said out loud, I was like, please let it go on.

00:51:30.000 And I just wanted a definitive ending.

00:51:34.000 Dude, because that.

00:51:35.000 Would have been a point where it's like, especially with him going, Hey, I want to go and continue.

00:51:38.000 And then we have Goddard come out and say, Hey, you are God for Mark Goddard.

00:51:42.000 Yeah.

00:51:42.000 Okay.

00:51:43.000 Because if it wasn't for Mark Goddard, if another less experienced referee, you think he did?

00:51:48.000 He won it out.

00:51:49.000 You don't, you don't, you know for a fact, you do not ever, as a fighter, say, I cannot see.

00:51:49.000 Yeah.

00:51:55.000 It's over.

00:51:56.000 And he was counting on that.

00:51:56.000 Right.

00:51:57.000 He said, He had already stated it.

00:51:58.000 He didn't need to say it again.

00:52:00.000 He did not think they were going to, I don't think he thought they were going to say that.

00:52:02.000 So you think that he called Goddard a turkey internally?

00:52:05.000 He was like, When he said, Oh, you're going to go fight anymore.

00:52:07.000 Hey, I was playing that.

00:52:08.000 In that moment, he just like, I've tried, and it might have been like the little devil on his shoulder trying to get him out.

00:52:15.000 And then he reevaluated and rethunk it and understood that he had to keep fighting.

00:52:20.000 Did you say thunk?

00:52:21.000 Thunk it?

00:52:21.000 Rethunk it.

00:52:22.000 Dude, that's a real word.

00:52:29.000 I stopped him twice.

00:52:30.000 I stopped him twice that night.

00:52:32.000 There's no doubt about it.

00:52:33.000 I loved it.

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00:53:32.000 Well, it was a big factor that Goddard let it go on because then we got to see that epic fourth round, which is fucking crazy. 0.76

00:53:40.000 Which was just in the end when you landed that knee to the body, that was like the final.

00:53:46.000 Oh, that was it.

00:53:46.000 And then the punches right where he landed that heavy knee that he just starts chopping it where he got the elbow in.

00:53:51.000 Yeah.

00:53:52.000 And then he has to quit on his stool.

00:53:55.000 And if Goddard had just given to that referee or that judge's or the doctor's rather desires, here it is.

00:54:03.000 I love how you punch right here, right on the spot.

00:54:05.000 Yeah, I saw it.

00:54:06.000 Oh, right there.

00:54:07.000 Oh, right where I just lay out.

00:54:09.000 Yeah, he did not like that.

00:54:11.000 And that was the end.

00:54:15.000 Crazy fight.

00:54:16.000 I mean, it's crazy how different it is. 0.93

00:54:17.000 So, again, being a fan of the sport, I've got to watch, you know, I would have usually watched this from, and yeah, it would have been the most fucking incredible thing ever.

00:54:25.000 Being the fighter, you know, you're really not appreciating any of that because you're so locked into it's like golfing, like you don't know, but golfing is like certain swing thoughts, you know, and nothing else can come in, nothing can creep in.

00:54:40.000 And so, me looking at the Declaration of Independence, I was looking at it, but I didn't take it in as this being the Declaration.

00:54:48.000 I was sitting there, I was like, okay, gotta reset his feet, gotta control, gotta move left, gotta move left, can't get against the fence.

00:54:56.000 And those are the thoughts I'm having through the whole walkout.

00:55:00.000 And so I'm really not taking any of it in as the show or as the theatrics of it.

00:55:06.000 Of course not. 0.93

00:55:07.000 Watching it in hindsight, obviously, it's fucking awesome. 0.95

00:55:10.000 There was something special about you warming up with the American flag around your shoulder, too. 0.97

00:55:14.000 We were watching that.

00:55:15.000 There was something special about watching you shadow box before all this with the American flag on.

00:55:20.000 I was like, if he wins.

00:55:22.000 Good Lord. 0.98

00:55:24.000 If he wins tonight, it's going to be fucking insane. 0.97

00:55:26.000 And it was. 0.80

00:55:28.000 The feeling of joy throughout the building, throughout the grounds, the happiness that everybody had seen had been there to see such an incredible event and such an amazing cap to that event with your fight.

00:55:42.000 It was just nuts.

00:55:43.000 It felt like a whole arena to me.

00:55:45.000 It was crazy for the amount of people that you could see. 1.00

00:55:47.000 Here it is to backflip in front of the fucking White House. 1.00

00:55:51.000 Dude, he flagged. 1.00

00:55:53.000 Yeah, that's going to be a sick picture.

00:55:54.000 Dude, you flagged.

00:55:55.000 That's a sick picture.

00:55:56.000 I rolled out of there.

00:55:58.000 Hey, tell me, what was it?

00:56:00.000 Tell me, what'd you use?

00:56:02.000 Newton's first law.

00:56:02.000 Newton's law?

00:56:04.000 Object in motion needs to stay.

00:56:05.000 I just stayed in motion.

00:56:06.000 Stay in motion.

00:56:07.000 That's all it is. 0.99

00:56:08.000 Look at the size of that fucking crowd that was outside of there. 0.99

00:56:10.000 You couldn't see this crowd. 1.00

00:56:12.000 Like, I couldn't see this crowd.

00:56:13.000 You know what, though, you could hear them and you could feel them.

00:56:17.000 Dude.

00:56:17.000 You could feel the energy.

00:56:19.000 I mean, even though there was only 4,000 people, it did not feel like 4,000 people.

00:56:24.000 It felt like 100,000 people because all those people were behind us.

00:56:27.000 You know, it was different.

00:56:28.000 How many people were in that?

00:56:30.000 85,000 plus.

00:56:31.000 Yeah.

00:56:32.000 It happened so fast.

00:56:34.000 The size of the group outside was insane.

00:56:37.000 I mean, and they're watching on these giant screens and freaking out.

00:56:37.000 Yeah.

00:56:40.000 Like a concert.

00:56:41.000 When we were at the Weyands, it was like, dude, that's what I pictured like Woodstock being like.

00:56:41.000 Yeah.

00:56:45.000 Dude, I looked and I could not see the end of the people.

00:56:47.000 Yeah.

00:56:48.000 No, it was nuts. 1.00

00:56:49.000 The Weyands were nuts. 1.00

00:56:50.000 When we first walked out, I was like, holy shit, this is crazy. 0.99

00:56:53.000 But it just shows how hyped people were for this event. 0.98

00:56:57.000 You know, I mean, it was an incredible event.

00:56:59.000 I mean, the UFC production team, they just knocked it out of the park.

00:57:02.000 And then, more importantly, you knocked it out of the park.

00:57:05.000 It couldn't have gone better.

00:57:07.000 It couldn't have gone better.

00:57:08.000 And the most important thing was that you did have to overcome.

00:57:11.000 That we did see a real back and forth.

00:57:13.000 And we did see the skills that led people to believe that this guy is the number one pound for pound farter in the world. 0.99

00:57:18.000 I mean, his fucking boxing is elite. 0.99

00:57:21.000 It is so elite. 1.00

00:57:22.000 Sharpshooter and big. 1.00

00:57:23.000 But, I mean, my coach is a fucking genius. 0.98

00:57:27.000 I mean, when it comes to, like, again, it's really hard to. 0.99

00:57:31.000 You always sound right in hindsight, but.

00:57:33.000 The strategy we had was so perfect to fight a guy like that.

00:57:38.000 I mean, I think if you ask him right now which way was Justin moving, he's going to think I was moving right the whole time because my head is so heavy and I lean over to that side.

00:57:50.000 But I was moving left the entire time.

00:57:54.000 And he's so pointed that he's powerful here.

00:57:58.000 But when you put him here, nobody can push and sprint.

00:58:03.000 He's not ever going to take off sprinting.

00:58:05.000 That way as fast as he can.

00:58:06.000 He's going to have to gather and reset and then point and then go.

00:58:11.000 And I constantly kept readjusting him.

00:58:14.000 And it was so subtle.

00:58:17.000 And that's what fighting is subtle movements.

00:58:20.000 But I mean, his game plan was.

00:58:23.000 And then his game plan, his mind, my ability, but really it's my athletic ability.

00:58:31.000 Like, if people don't understand how athletic I am.

00:58:35.000 And I think that is what surprises.

00:58:38.000 Every opponent I've ever fought is how, you know, herky jerky, twitchy, how explosive, and how athletic I am.

00:58:46.000 And I think that's the biggest asset that I have.

00:58:48.000 Why do you think anybody would be surprised by that at this stage?

00:58:51.000 Why do you think they're surprised?

00:58:53.000 Because it doesn't look like that.

00:58:54.000 No, Justin, I think you're looking into the Patty fight.

00:58:58.000 I feel like the Patty fight, because a lot of people were like, oh, you look older, you look this, because of the way we fought.

00:59:04.000 Our gamepad was Patty fight.

00:59:05.000 How sweet is that now?

00:59:06.000 I mean, if you watched a Patty fight, you would only expect punches coming from here.

00:59:11.000 That's all I threw.

00:59:12.000 Because he would pull.

00:59:14.000 I had to wrangle them in.

00:59:16.000 And this guy, no shots.

00:59:18.000 Like palm strikes. 0.69

00:59:19.000 We need to palm strike him, we need to keep him inside of our loop. 0.55

00:59:22.000 And if you're throwing straight shots at Patty, Patty will disengage very long with his upper body.

00:59:28.000 So he was throwing wild shots and then long uppercuts. 1.00

00:59:31.000 Like, stay on the outside when you're throwing the uppercuts because Patty's got very good knees coming in. 1.00

00:59:34.000 So we can't get too deep with the head. 0.99

00:59:36.000 Very simple plan, but also it was like make it chaotic. 0.94

00:59:39.000 As most chaotic as you could be to be able to do that because Patty's blitzing was very fast. 0.97

00:59:44.000 He's a very good blitzer.

00:59:46.000 He'll blitz past you in almost like running type of punches, like old Vitor Belfort.

00:59:50.000 But this fight is a lot different where it's now elbows in.

00:59:55.000 We have to be tight in these types of positions, and we need to step to his center and get on his back foot line or outside of his back foot line.

01:00:02.000 And that was like a key factor to this one, is because Ilya is very front heavy and will bounce back and forth.

01:00:07.000 So once he goes to this angle, we need to attack the rear shoulder.

01:00:10.000 And once he starts to reset, now we're going to be able to jab and stick the jab at the rear shoulder where your jab was landing.

01:00:16.000 There's my favorite part the jab wasn't landing here where Ilya's got a very good slide.

01:00:20.000 We're jabbing outside.

01:00:21.000 So you're not doing inside jab coming under, you're jabbing from outside your shoulder, which is pushing him on his rear foot.

01:00:27.000 And then once we started to pressure, my favorite part is the jab, pause, right hand.

01:00:32.000 His left foot, Justin's left foot, when we go, has to be outside his rear foot.

01:00:37.000 Like right there.

01:00:39.000 He opened his lead foot and he got his foot outside.

01:00:41.000 And that's also so in case the right hand can't come out.

01:00:43.000 That was a giant moment in the fight when you landed that right hand.

01:00:46.000 The sound of it was crazy. 1.00

01:00:47.000 I wanted to stub his ass. 1.00

01:00:49.000 Oh, that was such a hard job. 1.00

01:00:50.000 Do that one more time, Jamie, and watch his lead foot after the jab.

01:00:53.000 Now watch his left foot after the jab.

01:00:56.000 Outside the rear foot. 0.97

01:00:57.000 Boom.

01:00:58.000 And that, because he's got a high shoulder.

01:01:00.000 If I'm throwing a right hand down this point, if you were looking at me, Joe, if I'm here, if he gets his foot out, now the shot is coming from here.

01:01:08.000 So we're able to put him on the back foot and find that over.

01:01:10.000 Because the alien's got a very good shoulder tack.

01:01:12.000 He also dropped that right hand down.

01:01:14.000 Yeah.

01:01:15.000 It was beautiful.

01:01:16.000 It was beautiful.

01:01:17.000 And it was such a giant moment in the fight.

01:01:19.000 Like, look where I started.

01:01:21.000 I started with my back to us, and look how I left, But if you go out to the left backwards, where that's where Ilya to me is the best. 1.00

01:01:35.000 How we stop Volk, where he'll throw at you and then you go and then he readjusts his lead shoulder almost to a salpa. 1.00

01:01:41.000 Super dangerous there. 1.00

01:01:42.000 That was one thing we talked about.

01:01:43.000 We cannot go backwards to the left because that's where we get square.

01:01:46.000 And Ilya, dude, he's very front heavy, so he will attack you quick and he gets there fast.

01:01:51.000 Well, if he can recover from this, it's going to be a big lesson.

01:01:54.000 A big lesson learned.

01:01:55.000 And, you know, I wonder if he'll still have those celebration dinners the night before.

01:02:00.000 There's no way.

01:02:02.000 He better not.

01:02:03.000 Dude, his team.

01:02:04.000 That's up to his coaches, to be honest with you.

01:02:06.000 Hubris is an amazing thing.

01:02:08.000 People love that kind of confidence.

01:02:10.000 They love that belief in themselves.

01:02:12.000 And when someone pulls it off, people were talking for days about the Oliverify.

01:02:17.000 You know, he celebrated the night before.

01:02:18.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:02:19.000 And it worked that time, and it played out great for him.

01:02:22.000 But the lack of experience being the nail, so much experience being the hammer.

01:02:27.000 And also, expectations.

01:02:29.000 He never thought he had to be here.

01:02:31.000 But you keep saying, I wanted to go back to this thing that you said that people don't think you're athletic.

01:02:35.000 And I don't agree with that.

01:02:36.000 I don't understand why you think that.

01:02:40.000 I mean, it may be that he watches the Michael Johnson fight and doesn't think you're at the end.

01:02:45.000 I got to college, you know, my freshman year of college, and I did a cartwheel to a backflip. 0.99

01:02:50.000 And these guys, one guy was like, I would have never fucking guessed you could do some shit like that. 0.99

01:02:57.000 Like, I just don't understand. 0.99

01:02:59.000 You know, if you look at me, I don't look like an athlete, but.

01:03:01.000 Dude, you want a Ferrari.

01:03:02.000 No, I know I'm a Ferrari fan.

01:03:05.000 I know how athletic I am.

01:03:06.000 What are you talking about?

01:03:07.000 The perception.

01:03:08.000 No, no, no.

01:03:09.000 Your perception's crazy.

01:03:10.000 Listen, you look like an athlete. 1.00

01:03:11.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

01:03:13.000 Dude, he sent me this picture when I first met him. 1.00

01:03:16.000 He went up to do a clinic with his coach up in Granby with Ben Charrington.

01:03:21.000 And he sends me this video.

01:03:23.000 I don't know where I open it up.

01:03:25.000 And he's got a soccer ball.

01:03:26.000 And he's in this auditorium with the pads out on the ground.

01:03:29.000 And he's got his phone set up on the pads that are against the wall.

01:03:32.000 He throws a soccer ball up in the air.

01:03:34.000 And he does one of those bicycle kicks.

01:03:36.000 He played just like one or two years of soccer.

01:03:38.000 He did a bicycle kick, landed on his feet. 0.93

01:03:40.000 And the ball knocked the phone off the freaking thing, dude. 0.99

01:03:43.000 He hit the freaking phone. 0.96

01:03:45.000 It was the coolest thing I've ever seen. 1.00

01:03:46.000 I was like, bro, you are nuts. 0.91

01:03:48.000 This guy snowboarding when we had snowboarded? 0.98

01:03:49.000 Because I rode professional when I was younger.

01:03:52.000 Got taken out of high school for it.

01:03:54.000 And he, this dude, he would catch things so fast in his tumbling.

01:03:59.000 There was one time we were watching him, and he was in moguls, and moguls suck on a snowboard.

01:04:02.000 He does this 360, catches his edge, falls to his back, and bounces off one of the moguls to a backflip right back into the moguls and through these people on the side. 1.00

01:04:11.000 I thought he meant to do that shit. 1.00

01:04:13.000 They're like, dude! 1.00

01:04:14.000 I was like, bro, his tumbling skills? 1.00

01:04:16.000 Dude, you're freaking nuts. 0.99

01:04:17.000 You are an athlete. 1.00

01:04:18.000 I think everybody knows you're an athlete.

01:04:19.000 Well, you're not built like Paul Acosta, if that's what you mean.

01:04:22.000 You know, it's like you're not.

01:04:22.000 Yeah, I just.

01:04:24.000 You know, there's guys that have less body fat than you and guys have more prominent muscles than you, but nobody looks at you fighting and doesn't think you're athletic.

01:04:32.000 I think it's the experts after the paddy fight saying, oh, he looks sloppy.

01:04:32.000 That's crazy.

01:04:37.000 And those fights got to be sloppy. 1.00

01:04:38.000 Those people are retarded. 1.00

01:04:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:04:40.000 That fight looked like chaos.

01:04:42.000 It looked like you were going to press him.

01:04:44.000 And it also looked like you were kind of disdainful of his ability to hurt you.

01:04:49.000 There you go.

01:04:50.000 You know exactly.

01:04:50.000 Yeah.

01:04:51.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:04:52.000 Once I didn't respect his power, I was like, I'm fucking walking through. 0.97

01:04:55.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:04:55.000 And that's what it looked like. 0.98

01:04:56.000 It looked like you were just.

01:04:58.000 Trying to make it as chaotic as possible. 0.67

01:05:00.000 You make it sound like you had like a water boy, like someone was like, The water sucks.

01:05:05.000 And he's like, making the noises, dude.

01:05:09.000 No.

01:05:09.000 You don't know.

01:05:10.000 But that's also probably a good thing that you think about yourself that way, you know, because it forces you to rise above and beyond anybody's expectations of you.

01:05:22.000 You know, and I think one of the things about this fight that makes it so important is because Ilya was so dangerous.

01:05:28.000 You had to get like deep in the zone.

01:05:31.000 You couldn't have a moment like the max fight.

01:05:33.000 Well, it was the max fight got me here.

01:05:36.000 Without that, I would have never been as hungry.

01:05:40.000 I said it was going to happen and it didn't happen, didn't happen, didn't happen.

01:05:43.000 Then it happened and it's like, okay, now I can never let my parents see me like that again.

01:05:49.000 That was a driving factor.

01:05:50.000 Like, I can never let my mom. 0.99

01:05:52.000 I remember getting knocked out.

01:05:54.000 I don't remember getting knocked out.

01:05:55.000 I got knocked out.

01:05:56.000 I don't remember anything.

01:05:57.000 I don't remember him getting his hand raised.

01:05:59.000 And it had to have been 40 minutes to an hour.

01:06:03.000 And then I just, my first recollection is being in the ambulance and seeing my mom's face.

01:06:07.000 Can I tell you that?

01:06:08.000 Can I tell that story?

01:06:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:09.000 Tell me what I did because I still don't know.

01:06:11.000 So we're in the ambulance, okay?

01:06:13.000 Well, you never know how to.

01:06:15.000 You were there when I came back.

01:06:17.000 Your mom's standing outside the back doors and we're waiting for the driver.

01:06:20.000 There's a medic in there with us, but he's good.

01:06:23.000 But he keeps asking the same question over and over again.

01:06:25.000 I still don't remember any of this.

01:06:26.000 And I'm worried about like, you know, everybody's parents are different on how they react, you know?

01:06:30.000 And his mom was just cool, just like, I was so impressed.

01:06:33.000 I was so impressed with her just spirit of seeing that happen.

01:06:36.000 But Justin's laying there and he's like, he's cool in everything he does.

01:06:40.000 So he's got like this cool lay, like he's like, you know, just got stopped.

01:06:45.000 And he's laying there and he's like, he'll look at me and he gets like his head, he's like, I got knocked out?

01:06:51.000 And I was like, yeah.

01:06:51.000 It's like, this is like 40 seconds.

01:06:52.000 He's like, what round?

01:06:54.000 What round?

01:06:55.000 And I said, last second of the fight.

01:06:56.000 And he goes, good for him.

01:06:59.000 Dude, I'm telling you, like two minutes would go by and we'd just be having a normal conversation.

01:07:04.000 And he'd look at me, I get knocked out?

01:07:07.000 And I was like, yep.

01:07:08.000 Dude, it happened over and over and over again.

01:07:10.000 You've had that happen with fighters.

01:07:11.000 Yes, but him saying, good for him.

01:07:14.000 The way he said it every time that he came back to it, like, that's the type of person Justin is.

01:07:20.000 Like, if he loses in competition, the better man won that night.

01:07:23.000 And that, to me, is something that stands out to me.

01:07:25.000 That's character.

01:07:26.000 The character of him saying when he does it, that's subconscious traits that you have.

01:07:30.000 That character is also the character that allows you to reach your full potential. 0.92

01:07:34.000 Because you're not being held back by any bullshit ego things. 0.92

01:07:34.000 Absolutely. 0.92

01:07:38.000 Because there's a lot of people that are held back.

01:07:38.000 Not fake.

01:07:40.000 As good as they are, they don't ever reach their full potential because they have some bullshit ego problems. 1.00

01:07:45.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:07:46.000 They care of what.

01:07:47.000 And in that situation, losing that fight in the last second of the last round and having that reaction, that is the truest test of character that that man is ever going to go through.

01:07:47.000 Everybody thinks.

01:07:57.000 Yeah.

01:07:58.000 That is as true a test of character ever in front of the whole world.

01:08:01.000 But I remember first seeing my mom's face, though.

01:08:04.000 I saw her face and I saw no concern.

01:08:06.000 She was worried about me, but she was not concerned.

01:08:11.000 She wasn't freaked out.

01:08:12.000 No, she wasn't freaked out at all.

01:08:13.000 I was like, and that's when I never reset and asked if I. Had gotten knocked out again after that moment, I don't think.

01:08:21.000 No, no.

01:08:21.000 Once it happened for probably, I'd say you probably asked it six or seven times.

01:08:24.000 And then once we were cool for probably five minutes before we went to the hospital, they were totally cool.

01:08:30.000 The cool part about this, Joe, is those are some of my, and it sucks because he's taking a shot like this, but me as a coach and as someone that just loves fighting and loves the inspiration and what these guys do, is those are my proudest moments.

01:08:45.000 Winning a fight like this, it was proud.

01:08:47.000 And, you know, take it in, you're going, wow.

01:08:49.000 This is a cool spot to be in, and you have to be grateful for it.

01:08:52.000 But there's times where I'm caught smiling when my fighters are down, like when Kamaro got kicked, and I stood next to him with the biggest smile just because I'm like, dude, you went out on your shield.

01:09:04.000 You were looking so good.

01:09:06.000 And this is the way you stand up again, so important to me.

01:09:09.000 Justin Salas, one time with Tim Means, it was one of my proudest moments just to see his subconscious.

01:09:15.000 Like, I love the mindset of him.

01:09:17.000 Dude, Tim Means hits him with a knee.

01:09:17.000 Hard knee.

01:09:20.000 And he fights through it a little bit and takes another knee and he goes down and he's on the ground and his right leg is still like moving and he's like still punching and he's out.

01:09:29.000 And I'm like, dude, that's a fighting spirit.

01:09:31.000 Like, there is no quitting.

01:09:32.000 Like, you're fighting through being knocked out.

01:09:35.000 And subconsciously, he's still in the fight and his body is still reacting that way instead of shelling up and being like, I just got rocked.

01:09:41.000 I'm going to shell up.

01:09:42.000 I could not wait to get in the octagon and they're like, not trying to let me in.

01:09:45.000 I'm like, let me just get over to him and sit next to him and put some ice on the back.

01:09:48.000 When we stop guys, I'm always over to the other opponent first.

01:09:51.000 To me, that's the coolest part is.

01:09:54.000 Being able to see someone go out there and do their best and then to watch them come back.

01:09:58.000 And that's why I'm very excited to kind of see what happens with Ilya.

01:10:01.000 This is going to be a hard one to overcome, but I hope he does because he's that talented.

01:10:06.000 If he takes the right lessons, that's going to be a super inspirational thing to overcome.

01:10:10.000 It's going to be hard, but I sure hope we get to witness that.

01:10:14.000 I wonder if he's going to stay at 155.

01:10:17.000 There are big guys at 155.

01:10:20.000 And he wasn't that big for 45.

01:10:24.000 You know, you think about weight cutting in the modern era.

01:10:26.000 Like you were, you're considerably bigger than him.

01:10:29.000 When you guys were standing next to each other, I'm like, there's a big difference.

01:10:32.000 I've also really focused on getting bigger last three or four fights.

01:10:36.000 Yeah.

01:10:37.000 Yeah, I mean, I. You were 83 in a Patty fight?

01:10:40.000 I had a weight.

01:10:40.000 Yeah, I was 83.

01:10:41.000 183 in a paddy fight.

01:10:42.000 So he was huge.

01:10:44.000 I touched 80s this fight.

01:10:47.000 We waited on Saturday at 11.

01:10:48.000 Saturday when I went to bed, I think I was 184.

01:10:51.000 Oh, wow.

01:10:52.000 And then I think when I woke up, I was like 176.

01:10:55.000 That's how much water we're flowing.

01:10:56.000 It's crazy.

01:10:57.000 Our bodies are crazy.

01:10:59.000 Especially because of all the weight cutting. 0.83

01:10:59.000 Right. 0.83

01:11:00.000 But I think when I got there, I was pissing so much.

01:11:04.000 I was actually too hydrated for the drug test.

01:11:06.000 So I had to piss three times.

01:11:08.000 I couldn't drink water.

01:11:09.000 You were too hydrated for a drug test?

01:11:11.000 How's that look?

01:11:12.000 Yeah.

01:11:12.000 So if the piss is too diluted, then they.

01:11:15.000 Make you do it again.

01:11:16.000 Really?

01:11:17.000 Yeah.

01:11:18.000 That's why, you know, doing it after a fight.

01:11:19.000 I used to do it after the fight all the time.

01:11:22.000 But your adrenaline's gone, so you don't pee.

01:11:24.000 So it takes a long time.

01:11:25.000 It's like we've sat in locker rooms for hours waiting for the piss test.

01:11:28.000 But when you're doing it after, like, rehydration, that's a shitty thing because these guys have to hydrate. 0.98

01:11:32.000 Everybody's fucking taking as much flu as they can. 0.92

01:11:34.000 So that makes it tough. 0.99

01:11:35.000 But with the weight cutting piece with him going back down, I agree with you.

01:11:39.000 I think Ilya is a smaller body, but he's also a big advantage for Ilya speed.

01:11:44.000 And when you go up in weight, That speed is a huge factor.

01:11:47.000 If you see a lot of guys go up, like with Max, Max kept his speed when he came up.

01:11:51.000 When he went back down, I think everybody was like, oh, he beat Max.

01:11:54.000 He beat a drained Max.

01:11:56.000 Yeah, I think that weight cut down to 45 for him was brutal.

01:12:00.000 And this is where, from a coaching standpoint, if it is hard for you to make it at that weight, I care about the longevity of a person.

01:12:08.000 And I've seen guys get dropped with jabs because of bad weight cuts.

01:12:12.000 Yes.

01:12:13.000 And that going back down, that's.

01:12:16.000 To me, the scariest part in this fight game.

01:12:19.000 Well, I think there's two things we have to change in the fight game.

01:12:21.000 One of them is weight cutting, and two of them is your gloves.

01:12:24.000 Absolutely.

01:12:26.000 But the weight cutting thing, don't you think that we need more weight classes?

01:12:31.000 Or I shouldn't say that.

01:12:32.000 I should say, do you think we need more weight classes?

01:12:34.000 I think there are many ways.

01:12:36.000 I think you're going to have to have some type of a weight class, and there are different ways to do it.

01:12:42.000 Maybe you have where you can't go over a certain amount of weight after you make weight and you weigh in a week out.

01:12:48.000 Where you can really recover because I think guys are gonna do it anyway, they're just gonna have to learn.

01:12:52.000 But I think for me, I want nothing to change.

01:12:55.000 I mean, we are grown ass men and women, and we're making these choices, right?

01:13:01.000 But you can make 55 and it's good for your frame.

01:13:03.000 Now, imagine how hard it is for me to make 55.

01:13:05.000 I'm sure it's hard.

01:13:06.000 No, no, no, I'm not thinking it's easy, but you can make it.

01:13:09.000 You've made it over and over and over again.

01:13:11.000 But like, think about guys that are in between, yeah, like should be a 60 or 65 or like in boxing 70 to 85 is crazy, 85 to 205 is bananas.

01:13:21.000 And then 205 to 265.

01:13:23.000 Those week classes are already watered down in a way.

01:13:27.000 And so you're just going to water it down more.

01:13:29.000 So these are my thoughts and my research that I've done.

01:13:34.000 I've talked to Dr. D about it.

01:13:37.000 And I want to get some expert, some doctor who can actually talk to me about this.

01:13:42.000 Because when I started researching boxing and why there are so many deaths in boxing, what stood out to me was almost every death in boxing in the last.

01:13:51.000 10 to 15 years.

01:13:53.000 Comes after.

01:13:54.000 There's every once in a while from a punch where they get dropped and they don't get up and they get hemorrhaging.

01:14:00.000 Almost all of them are past the ninth round, especially the ones I'm talking about that don't take a punch.

01:14:05.000 They're past the ninth round and it looks like they start to get tired and they're just like, hey, I need to take a knee and lay down.

01:14:11.000 A lot of these guys are winning the fight and not even taking a lot of damage.

01:14:16.000 And if we're cutting weight the day before, you're teaching your body to sweat and sweat and sweat.

01:14:22.000 To me, I believe because I've had a fighter where, you know, Kamal in his last fight, we were crapping so bad, so scary, so freaking scary.

01:14:30.000 Like, I almost pulled that fight off.

01:14:32.000 I was within like minutes of calling.

01:14:35.000 I talked to the whole team about it.

01:14:36.000 But if you dehydrate yourself, think of my lips.

01:14:39.000 If they get dehydrated, they crack when I smile.

01:14:42.000 And if you dehydrate your brain, and I had talked to Dr. D, I was like, could that be something if you dehydrate your brain?

01:14:47.000 Would cause something?

01:14:48.000 He's like, absolutely.

01:14:49.000 And then I started to research that.

01:14:50.000 But if you go back and look at all the boxers, and if we can get someone that could do their true research that understands this stuff, that to me is like what scares me about weight cutting because you're training your body to lose that amount of weight.

01:15:00.000 And when you start to do things in patterns, you just took all the nutrients out of your body and then you're going hard in a fight like that.

01:15:07.000 And that was like the big thing with the Tony Ferguson fight that's kind of funny now, but it wasn't.

01:15:10.000 Funny to me. 0.98

01:15:11.000 I didn't give no fucking water for a five round fight. 0.99

01:15:14.000 That is crazy. 0.99

01:15:15.000 And the longer you take your brain to that point of dehydration, what does he mean?

01:15:18.000 Why didn't you give him water?

01:15:19.000 You just forgot?

01:15:20.000 Dude.

01:15:20.000 Yeah, we were locked in.

01:15:21.000 This guy don't train with water.

01:15:22.000 So it was like, dude.

01:15:23.000 Yeah, I don't drink water.

01:15:24.000 I like water practice because everyone's like, you want water?

01:15:24.000 I train myself.

01:15:26.000 I'm like, water's for pussies. 0.99

01:15:28.000 No, I don't want water. 0.99

01:15:30.000 You don't drink any water in training at all?

01:15:30.000 Talk about the mindset.

01:15:33.000 No, he'll drink afterwards.

01:15:34.000 Like, we did this fight.

01:15:35.000 They married me this fight.

01:15:36.000 Okay, so do you think that that had something to do with that?

01:15:38.000 Luke is my water boy.

01:15:41.000 No, because I, it doesn't, it can't, because. 0.98

01:15:44.000 I'm fucking working right now. 0.96

01:15:45.000 I'm locked in. 0.99

01:15:46.000 Like, I might not get water one day.

01:15:49.000 You know, I might want water.

01:15:51.000 Even when you're doing strength and conditioning, everything?

01:15:53.000 Nothing.

01:15:53.000 I never drink water.

01:15:54.000 Wow.

01:15:55.000 So you make sure you're hydrated before you get in there.

01:15:57.000 I drink a lot after.

01:15:59.000 But once you're in there, you're just going.

01:16:01.000 Yeah, this fight was different.

01:16:03.000 That's crazy.

01:16:04.000 That's crazy.

01:16:05.000 That's just me.

01:16:06.000 That's just me. 1.00

01:16:07.000 You're being an asshole. 1.00

01:16:08.000 You know, Ramadan's nuts. 1.00

01:16:09.000 Like, I know Bilal was training with no water. 0.95

01:16:14.000 And drinking no water during the day and then training again at nighttime.

01:16:19.000 And that's got to be so hard.

01:16:22.000 But going through hard training sessions and no water, so there's two things going on.

01:16:30.000 One, I would think maybe you could do more work and get more reps in more of this if you're rehydrating.

01:16:36.000 But then the other thing is would you?

01:16:40.000 And how much mental toughness are you getting by not using enough water?

01:16:44.000 And the mental toughness thing.

01:16:44.000 It's a crutch.

01:16:47.000 Ultimately, won you this fight. 0.99

01:16:48.000 There is a lot of fucking human beings at the top level of the sport that would have folded in that second round. 0.98

01:16:54.000 You did look the happiest at the Tony Ferguson fight. 0.99

01:16:56.000 And that look you gave me when you were caught at it?

01:16:57.000 I contemplated it.

01:16:58.000 Not for one second did I contemplate that I was done.

01:16:58.000 Not once.

01:17:01.000 No, I mean, that's how you felt.

01:17:03.000 You hear me? 1.00

01:17:04.000 I was like, oh, fuck. 1.00

01:17:09.000 Did you get to hear him in the corner? 1.00

01:17:12.000 He goes, dude, that was a good body shot.

01:17:14.000 I was like, yeah, that was a sweet body shot.

01:17:16.000 I know.

01:17:16.000 Who does that?

01:17:17.000 Who sits down and is like, dude, the look on his face wasn't like.

01:17:19.000 Like eyebrows, like an A frame cabin.

01:17:22.000 Well, even after the fight, you were talking about how skilled he was.

01:17:25.000 You were talking about.

01:17:26.000 I mean, I could go so many different ways with how I react to this fight.

01:17:33.000 I just wanted to be known how disrespectful he would have been if he beat me.

01:17:40.000 If he put me to sleep, if his. 0.97

01:17:42.000 I mean, can you imagine how shitty he would have been? 0.97

01:17:45.000 And I mean, it would have. 0.97

01:17:49.000 And the world. 0.99

01:17:50.000 And the world would have been fucking shitty. 0.99

01:17:52.000 Like they're doing to him right now. 0.99

01:17:53.000 It would have been crazy.

01:17:53.000 I was fighting for so much.

01:17:54.000 I was fighting for so much that night.

01:17:56.000 You know, I'm never going to let people.

01:17:56.000 Yeah.

01:17:59.000 For one, I know how special what I've done is, and it would have taken all of it away with the loss.

01:18:06.000 And I wasn't going to let that happen.

01:18:07.000 How about the people call out his loaded gloves?

01:18:09.000 Do you see the picture, the image?

01:18:11.000 There's like rocks in his hand. 1.00

01:18:12.000 That's super so stupid. 1.00

01:18:13.000 What? 1.00

01:18:13.000 That's super so stupid. 1.00

01:18:15.000 Have they not watched any of his fights? 1.00

01:18:15.000 What a compliment. 1.00

01:18:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:18:17.000 People saying I'm juiced, what a compliment. 0.99

01:18:19.000 People saying I got bricks in my fucking gloves, what a compliment. 1.00

01:18:25.000 People are silly. 1.00

01:18:26.000 You can't read the internet. 0.99

01:18:27.000 There's always going to be someone saying something.

01:18:29.000 I know, but again, I got here because I was petty.

01:18:32.000 I read comments.

01:18:34.000 I read comments.

01:18:36.000 They fuel you?

01:18:37.000 They do.

01:18:38.000 I've talked to him. 0.98

01:18:39.000 I've told him not to do it because I'm like, bro, this fucks with so many people. 0.96

01:18:42.000 We had the conversation outside. 0.98

01:18:44.000 It'll cause your mind to go crazy.

01:18:47.000 And he's like, I love it so much.

01:18:49.000 David Goggins takes haters and he records them on a loop and then plays it to himself while he runs.

01:18:56.000 Yeah, I mean, that's crazy.

01:18:59.000 I don't need to have it on video.

01:19:00.000 I know.

01:19:02.000 I know what they're saying.

01:19:02.000 Right.

01:19:03.000 I knew what they were saying every fucking day. 0.99

01:19:05.000 Right. 0.99

01:19:06.000 And that's, you know, partly why I won.

01:19:09.000 Well, it's, you know, that Teddy Roosevelt quote about the man in the arena, you know?

01:19:13.000 Yep.

01:19:14.000 That's what it is.

01:19:15.000 It's like there's always going to be people on the sidelines who are talking about it.

01:19:17.000 You're never going to make it.

01:19:18.000 It's impossible to make it.

01:19:19.000 Especially at the levels that you're fighting.

01:19:20.000 As ambitious as you are, you can never make everybody happy.

01:19:23.000 No, that's why it's hard to be a champion.

01:19:25.000 The pressure. 0.98

01:19:25.000 It really sucks. 0.98

01:19:26.000 You know, it really is detrimental to, like, overall, like, what you're trying to achieve. 0.97

01:19:33.000 And it's just so hard.

01:19:35.000 Well, you can't make everybody happy because some people are just not happy, period.

01:19:38.000 It's like you being awesome is going to make you happy.

01:19:42.000 Yeah, but some people are not healthy.

01:19:45.000 They're not mentally healthy.

01:19:46.000 Their brain isn't right.

01:19:48.000 They haven't done the right things in their life.

01:19:50.000 And they see success as being somehow or another, it steals their own personal joy. 0.99

01:19:56.000 Other people's success is bad because they compare themselves to other people and they realize that they suck.

01:20:01.000 I love seeing good things happen for people.

01:20:03.000 Of course.

01:20:04.000 Because when Max knocked me out, I was like, good for him. 0.98

01:20:07.000 Like, fucking imagine what he's stealing right now. 0.94

01:20:09.000 Yeah, but because you have given everything you have. 0.98

01:20:14.000 You've truly maximized your potential.

01:20:16.000 You've made mistakes, you've made great decisions, and ultimately you wound up winning the biggest fight of all time.

01:20:22.000 No, to exceed.

01:20:23.000 But that's why you can be happy for other people.

01:20:26.000 To exceed your expectations from 2017, to exceed his expectations from 2011, to exceed my own expectations is I mean, I cannot describe how special and how good that makes me feel.

01:20:40.000 You know, in general.

01:20:42.000 Like, that was my goal.

01:20:44.000 My expectations were huge.

01:20:45.000 You didn't exceed them, man. 1.00

01:20:48.000 I always had a feeling that you were going to do some wild shit. 0.99

01:20:50.000 And after the Tony Ferguson fight. 0.99

01:20:51.000 You couldn't have said I was going to do this.

01:20:54.000 No, I couldn't have freaking said this.

01:20:55.000 There were a lot of conversations that I had with people that were counting you out.

01:20:58.000 Those were like, I don't think, I think he can win this fight 100%.

01:21:01.000 I mean, I said it on the podcast.

01:21:03.000 I even said it to Ilya.

01:21:05.000 Like, Ilya was saying it was a good game.

01:21:06.000 I've seen that podcast, and he was so wrong so many times.

01:21:10.000 You know, not just the whole he has zero chance against Patty.

01:21:13.000 He said something about how.

01:21:16.000 I probably sleep during the day more than I do at night because I party too much.

01:21:21.000 And it's like, you were so, you don't remember him saying that?

01:21:24.000 He said something about weed, and you're like, I don't care about weed. 0.99

01:21:27.000 But for him to think that that's true is fucking insane. 0.99

01:21:31.000 And you have five looses? 0.99

01:21:34.000 That's just.

01:21:35.000 Dude, now he's got one lucid.

01:21:36.000 He's going to have to laugh. 1.00

01:21:38.000 I was like, wow, what a fucking idiot. 1.00

01:21:40.000 You know, like to think that I got here by just being a. 1.00

01:21:46.000 A guy that drinks and, you know, has fun all the time. 0.99

01:21:50.000 Like, that's fucking crazy. 0.98

01:21:52.000 My life is so boring. 0.99

01:21:53.000 I don't go to bars.

01:21:54.000 I mean, I don't do any of that.

01:21:57.000 I sleep eight to 10 hours every single night.

01:22:00.000 I was sleeping 10, but it's too much.

01:22:01.000 So now I have to sleep eight.

01:22:03.000 But for this whole week, I was sleeping 12 hours every single night of the fight week.

01:22:09.000 That's nice. 0.92

01:22:10.000 It was so fucking nice. 0.83

01:22:11.000 That is nice. 0.98

01:22:12.000 You know, it's just one of those things.

01:22:13.000 If he wanted to watch your, you have a YouTube channel, he could watch.

01:22:17.000 Well, I mean, he'll watch it.

01:22:18.000 There's also something to be said about how.

01:22:21.000 I knew he was watching.

01:22:22.000 If you go back to my other, like, we'll always show sparring.

01:22:24.000 We'll always show me hitting mitts.

01:22:26.000 I didn't show myself hitting mitts one time in this camp.

01:22:28.000 I didn't show myself sparring one time in this camp.

01:22:30.000 Purposely.

01:22:31.000 We were switching up the game plan big time.

01:22:33.000 Like the tight punches were the same.

01:22:36.000 He had expectations, but none of them were based in reality.

01:22:39.000 And I controlled that.

01:22:42.000 That's awesome. 0.99

01:22:43.000 And then, you know, when I did make the comment about his wife, you know, it was in an interview like this where we were just fucking around. 0.97

01:22:43.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:22:54.000 And I said it in jest.

01:22:56.000 I didn't.

01:22:57.000 It was 100% true. 0.99

01:22:59.000 I was like, he's so fucking annoying. 0.96

01:23:00.000 I couldn't imagine being in the same room with him, you know, with. 0.98

01:23:06.000 His pompous attitude, you know, and you just trying to like hang out with the guy, but he's like constantly stealing all the thunder and it's irrational.

01:23:16.000 And it's like, I would leave him too.

01:23:17.000 Like, I mean, if that's my part, like, that's why I broke up with my girlfriends is because they were somewhat like that.

01:23:24.000 I mean, and so I didn't mean it in a mean way.

01:23:28.000 Like, I would never dig at somebody and I would never make fun of someone's personal experience, but that was like on it.

01:23:35.000 That was just my honest take.

01:23:36.000 You are the honest guy.

01:23:37.000 And I was joking, but.

01:23:40.000 But it was true.

01:23:40.000 You just say what you think.

01:23:41.000 I said so many two things to him.

01:23:43.000 I said the so many.

01:23:44.000 I told him that he's going to go to the second round, go to the third round. 0.99

01:23:47.000 You're going to be fucked because you're not going to be able to pull yourself out of this. 0.98

01:23:51.000 You know, with the way that you're thinking, there's no possible way you can have these expectations, face adversity, and then come out in a positive way. 1.00

01:23:59.000 There's no way it could happen.

01:24:00.000 You could dig deep and you could be even more of a narcissist and it might work. 0.98

01:24:05.000 But you, you know, you're going to walk yourself into a situation that is going to fucking be detrimental to you. 0.98

01:24:12.000 And This is detrimental to his psyche. 0.98

01:24:16.000 And this is 90% mental.

01:24:18.000 And so, again, I want to see him go.

01:24:20.000 We'll see how he adjusts to the loss.

01:24:24.000 We'll see how honest he will be with himself.

01:24:26.000 The strategy has to change.

01:24:29.000 You can't just hit the gas like that.

01:24:31.000 And we've seen that with boxers.

01:24:33.000 We've seen that with all kinds of fighters.

01:24:35.000 They just think they can just hit the gas.

01:24:37.000 Well, obviously, you had to make your own adjustments.

01:24:39.000 Yeah.

01:24:40.000 You know how he overcame the max fight?

01:24:42.000 He adjusted.

01:24:42.000 How?

01:24:44.000 Sorry.

01:24:47.000 But can you guys never saw that?

01:24:48.000 Didn't you play golf every day for a year?

01:24:50.000 Six months straight.

01:24:51.000 Wow.

01:24:52.000 Every day, dude.

01:24:53.000 This guy got really good.

01:24:55.000 Yeah, DC was raving about it. 1.00

01:24:55.000 Damn it, dude. 1.00

01:24:57.000 He's like, I've never seen anything like it. 1.00

01:24:59.000 He goes, This guy's playing golf like he's been playing for years.

01:25:01.000 That's crazy.

01:25:02.000 He's really good every day.

01:25:04.000 It's really funny.

01:25:05.000 Well, you know, that's the mindset that's coachable.

01:25:08.000 That's a coachable mindset, competitive and also objective.

01:25:13.000 You know, it's the same reason why you think you're not athletic.

01:25:15.000 It's like you can look at yourself in a critical way.

01:25:18.000 And then see what adjustments you have to make.

01:25:19.000 Where a lot of people are delusional.

01:25:21.000 Yeah.

01:25:22.000 And that delusional keeps you from getting good at everything in life.

01:25:25.000 What you perceive, dude, you got to perspective is everything.

01:25:28.000 Like, how are you seeing things?

01:25:30.000 And you always got to see it from the internal, not peaks and valleys like this right here.

01:25:34.000 Like, we come home, and even through the airport, we're like, there's no celebration.

01:25:38.000 It is what it is.

01:25:39.000 Me afterwards, like, peaks and peaks and just no celebration at the airport.

01:25:42.000 And then what we did, someone was buying us drinks.

01:25:45.000 We got there a little bit earlier.

01:25:45.000 Like, we got there.

01:25:46.000 Should have been a fucking parade. 1.00

01:25:48.000 No. 1.00

01:25:49.000 I know, but I don't want that.

01:25:50.000 Yeah.

01:25:50.000 I know.

01:25:51.000 I know you don't.

01:25:52.000 I don't want it.

01:25:53.000 You don't.

01:25:55.000 But I have to do it because I do need to take advantage.

01:25:58.000 Like, I am the champion.

01:25:59.000 Still can't fathom it.

01:25:59.000 It's crazy.

01:26:02.000 But I am the champion and I need to be the champion.

01:26:06.000 Be you?

01:26:07.000 And enjoy being the champion for a little bit.

01:26:09.000 And you need to look at yourself in the mirror and be like, there's times to sit back and have bliss where you're like, man, I freaking did it.

01:26:16.000 Like, there's times to really.

01:26:17.000 I thought that would come down. 0.99

01:26:19.000 Doesn't mean you run down fucking yelling out different brands of mayonnaise with no motherfucking clothes on and make bad decisions. 0.99

01:26:23.000 You're like, what was that from? 1.00

01:26:25.000 Oh, shit, dude, we did that. 1.00

01:26:26.000 Fucking three-fifths of fucking vodka. 1.00

01:26:30.000 Are you going to continue fighting? 1.00

01:26:33.000 Right now, I'm planning on it.

01:26:34.000 Because you were talking about, I don't have, again, there's not something natural in me that feels like it's over.

01:26:34.000 Yeah.

01:26:42.000 So that's all I can say.

01:26:43.000 Also, after a performance like that.

01:26:46.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm obviously prepared for the best.

01:26:48.000 Either way, though.

01:26:49.000 Either way, also, capitalize because the financial capital.

01:26:52.000 Yeah, but I'm in a place where it's like I deserve.

01:26:56.000 To be compensated for what I have done.

01:26:59.000 100%.

01:27:00.000 Not for what I'm going to do, or I shouldn't have to fight next to be caught.

01:27:04.000 UFC 300, UFC 324, and now this.

01:27:09.000 Those are the biggest stages that the UFC needed somebody to do something phenomenal.

01:27:16.000 And they picked me every single time, and I delivered.

01:27:19.000 I wasn't the main event of UFC 300, but co main event still stole the show, even though I lost.

01:27:25.000 And so I think I need to be compensated for what I've done.

01:27:30.000 That's where I'm at.

01:27:30.000 So, you're talking about in the future for like a next fight?

01:27:33.000 Like.

01:27:34.000 Yeah, renegotiate.

01:27:35.000 No, I'm not talking about for the next fight.

01:27:38.000 I'm talking about the UFC should make a company and give me equity in that company and, you know, so I can build passive income like that.

01:27:47.000 Like, I'm not saying that's what.

01:27:49.000 Have you talked to them about something?

01:27:50.000 No, no, I would.

01:27:51.000 I've never asked.

01:27:52.000 Luckily, I have a personal assistant now, so she asks for things for me, but I've never been the guy that asks for things.

01:27:58.000 I wish.

01:27:59.000 I wish people that were opposite of me that asked for things and get all kinds of things, I wish I was given those things without asking because obviously people know that it's appreciated and I like it. 0.81

01:28:10.000 But I'm not ever going to, like, I'm not taking this truck from fucking Armin.

01:28:13.000 There's absolutely no way I would take a truck. 0.98

01:28:15.000 He never shook my hand.

01:28:17.000 Oh, this is Armin Tsaryukian.

01:28:18.000 We should explain that.

01:28:19.000 So Armin Tsaryukian, he bet a million dollars on Justin.

01:28:25.000 His friend.

01:28:26.000 And won.

01:28:27.000 He won like 5'3, I believe.

01:28:29.000 5'7?

01:28:29.000 5'7.

01:28:30.000 That's what I heard.

01:28:31.000 So he's going to buy me a truck, but I mean, I would bet.

01:28:31.000 5'7?

01:28:33.000 What kind of truck?

01:28:35.000 Wow, now that I just saw yours.

01:28:37.000 Get a Raptor.

01:28:38.000 I have a Shelby Raptor car.

01:28:40.000 Those are pretty dope.

01:28:41.000 But I think now that I've seen your truck, that will be my next truck.

01:28:45.000 Also, it has USA on the side.

01:28:47.000 You see the rap?

01:28:47.000 Yeah.

01:28:48.000 I love that.

01:28:49.000 You didn't do that rap?

01:28:50.000 Uh-uh.

01:28:50.000 That is sweet.

01:28:51.000 Hennessy's the shit. 1.00

01:28:52.000 I want that truck. 1.00

01:28:53.000 Oh, you need that truck.

01:28:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:55.000 Tell Armin to buy you that fucking truck. 1.00

01:28:56.000 No, I'm not taking the truck from him. 1.00

01:28:57.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:28:58.000 If I was Armin, I would force it down your throat. 1.00

01:29:00.000 I would deliver it to your house and give you a hug. 0.99

01:29:02.000 No way.

01:29:02.000 You want him $5,700,000.

01:29:04.000 I didn't have to ride around in a fucking truck. 1.00

01:29:07.000 That a dude bought from you every day. 1.00

01:29:09.000 I don't know.

01:29:09.000 I just can't go.

01:29:10.000 You won that truck.

01:29:11.000 You won that truck.

01:29:11.000 We didn't shake on it.

01:29:12.000 He does not own it to you. 0.99

01:29:14.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:29:14.000 Take that goddamn truck. 1.00

01:29:15.000 I might try with you, Joe. 1.00

01:29:16.000 Yeah.

01:29:17.000 Take the truck, dude.

01:29:18.000 It's, first of all, it's cool.

01:29:20.000 Yeah.

01:29:21.000 And he might also be your next opponent.

01:29:22.000 Yeah.

01:29:24.000 I mean, that's possible.

01:29:25.000 That's the guy.

01:29:26.000 I mean, he's the guy.

01:29:26.000 He is.

01:29:27.000 He's definitely the guy that's up.

01:29:28.000 That's the guy.

01:29:29.000 I mean, if there's anybody else in the division, that is the guy. 0.98

01:29:32.000 I mean, now that Islam is up at 170, who else is there? 0.98

01:29:35.000 That's the guy. 1.00

01:29:36.000 I agree.

01:29:37.000 Yeah.

01:29:38.000 And what a division. 1.00

01:29:40.000 I mean, holy shit. 0.99

01:29:41.000 And now Charles is saying he wants to win that. 1.00

01:29:44.000 He wants to fight you.

01:29:45.000 BMF.

01:29:46.000 BMF and the lightweight title on the line.

01:29:48.000 That would be crazy.

01:29:49.000 So there's fights available.

01:29:51.000 Yes, there is.

01:29:52.000 Big, big.

01:29:53.000 What are your thoughts?

01:29:53.000 Like, when you're thinking about competing, who do you think it will be?

01:29:56.000 You think it would be Armin?

01:29:59.000 No.

01:30:00.000 I can't say that I have a name.

01:30:03.000 Do you think Ely's going to try for a rematch?

01:30:05.000 No, he doesn't get a rematch.

01:30:06.000 He can try, but he doesn't get one.

01:30:08.000 Wow.

01:30:09.000 He quit on the stool.

01:30:10.000 He quit twice.

01:30:10.000 I stopped him twice.

01:30:12.000 What else do I have to fucking do? 0.99

01:30:13.000 Plus. 0.99

01:30:15.000 His next challenge can't be me.

01:30:17.000 He needs to fight Patty or someone like that. 0.89

01:30:20.000 Does Patty have a fight scheduled?

01:30:22.000 I think he's fighting St. Denis.

01:30:24.000 Yeah.

01:30:24.000 Ooh, that's a tough fight.

01:30:25.000 It is.

01:30:26.000 Benoit's a beast.

01:30:26.000 Yeah.

01:30:27.000 It's a tough game. 1.00

01:30:28.000 It's a fucking crazy game, dude. 1.00

01:30:29.000 It's a crazy game. 1.00

01:30:30.000 It's the craziest game.

01:30:32.000 I mean, by far.

01:30:33.000 Think about where you were when you lost to Max and then where you are now.

01:30:36.000 Just like think of the highs and the lows.

01:30:38.000 It wasn't that long ago either.

01:30:39.000 It was not that long ago.

01:30:41.000 Now you got the BMF champ wanting to fight you.

01:30:45.000 I have every belt. 0.97

01:30:46.000 Like, I have three belts, three real belts, two interims, but those are fucking real belts. 0.67

01:30:53.000 A real belt, the BMF belt, and then the UFC 250 belt. 0.56

01:30:57.000 Yeah, the UFC 250 belt.

01:30:58.000 That's so cool, dude.

01:30:59.000 There's only two of those.

01:31:00.000 I mean, the other belt is heavy.

01:31:00.000 It's so heavy.

01:31:02.000 That shit is freaking awesome. 0.99

01:31:03.000 Being a fan of this sport, like, you want to come in here and do things that are not easily attainable. 1.00

01:31:09.000 And I've done a few things that are impossible to attain.

01:31:14.000 Nine bonuses in my first seven fights.

01:31:17.000 16 fights in the UFC.

01:31:18.000 I've probably, what, like, 12 main events?

01:31:20.000 Yeah.

01:31:21.000 17 bonuses in 16 fights. 0.98

01:31:23.000 And to be put in the main event of a UFC fight is fucking huge. 0.70

01:31:26.000 Like, you know, you go on the poster, not many people get to. 0.93

01:31:30.000 Experience that and I've done it almost every single time.

01:31:34.000 And so, I mean, yeah, I mean, I've done something unattainable.

01:31:38.000 It's got to feel good.

01:31:39.000 It feels great.

01:31:41.000 It should.

01:31:42.000 As a fan, it's awesome.

01:31:45.000 As a fan, it feels good.

01:31:47.000 As a fan of yourself.

01:31:47.000 Right.

01:31:48.000 As a fan of the sport.

01:31:50.000 As a fan of the sport, getting to see what you've done.

01:31:52.000 What did you think about Cyril Gone?

01:31:52.000 Yeah.

01:31:54.000 We didn't do it.

01:31:55.000 We didn't get to see it.

01:31:56.000 We were in the locker room, like, oh, you guys are going to go to a different staging room.

01:32:01.000 As soon as Bruce Buffer starts announcing, so they took us into a room with no screens.

01:32:06.000 That's probably where the video of me shadow boxing with the flag.

01:32:09.000 Yeah, that's where we were in there for like 30 minutes before I walked, and we could hear you know, a little bit.

01:32:16.000 You hear that I heard the ding of the you know, the end of the round, the horn.

01:32:19.000 I was like, okay, was that round one?

01:32:21.000 Yes, and then you hear nothing, and then I didn't even hear the finish, I didn't hear the crowd roar.

01:32:26.000 You couldn't hear the crowd, and then I heard and still, yep, right.

01:32:32.000 Yep.

01:32:33.000 No, no, no.

01:32:34.000 It said and new because they were both going to be new.

01:32:36.000 I thought it heard and still.

01:32:37.000 No, I heard gone.

01:32:39.000 We heard gone.

01:32:40.000 Yeah, they heard gone. 1.00

01:32:41.000 I was like, oh, fuck, he won. 1.00

01:32:43.000 Bro, that guy moves like a cat. 1.00

01:32:45.000 It's crazy.

01:32:46.000 For a heavyweight, I love watching heavyweights that can move.

01:32:48.000 Like, remember the Mike Tyson era?

01:32:50.000 Just watching, I love watching Mike Tyson and just watching all the guys he fought.

01:32:55.000 Heavyweight boxing was so good at that time.

01:32:57.000 People used to jump rope.

01:32:58.000 Now it's like, I'm not going to say that all heavyweights are lazy, but.

01:33:03.000 You know, my knees are bad.

01:33:04.000 I'm a big person.

01:33:05.000 Like, those guys can move, and Cyril Gahn is one of those guys.

01:33:08.000 But he's the most.

01:33:09.000 He's so fast.

01:33:10.000 The thing about him is he started out as a basketball player.

01:33:14.000 So, think about basketball.

01:33:15.000 It's all these plyometrics.

01:33:16.000 You're constantly changing direction and moving and jumping.

01:33:19.000 Yeah, agility.

01:33:20.000 Yes, it's all agility, and that translates so brilliantly to his striking style because you've got a guy who's 248 pounds who moves like a middleweight or moves like even lighter than that.

01:33:30.000 I mean, he really moves like a welterweight almost.

01:33:32.000 He's fast.

01:33:33.000 And just very agile.

01:33:33.000 Yeah.

01:33:35.000 And when you notice it, it's like, because you know how good Pereira is, and Pereira getting lit up on his feet like that and then drop with a jab.

01:33:42.000 It's like, woo.

01:33:43.000 Yeah.

01:33:44.000 Perfect time. 0.82

01:33:44.000 And it's heavyweights. 0.82

01:33:45.000 Like, those are big dudes.

01:33:46.000 Yeah.

01:33:47.000 Like, obviously, Pereira's put on some weight, but it's frame size.

01:33:51.000 Yeah.

01:33:52.000 You know, and Pereira's got a big frame, but it's.

01:33:55.000 Your body's been that weight for a long period of time.

01:33:55.000 There's levels.

01:33:58.000 Like, it's, again, that consistency.

01:34:00.000 It's MMA guy going into boxing.

01:34:02.000 Yeah, they're shorter rounds.

01:34:04.000 But you're hitting sprints every round.

01:34:05.000 Like, it's a different, like, there's, there's, you have to do it for a period of time to be able to adjust to that.

01:34:09.000 That's a different, it's everything that you do, you have to slowly go into those positions.

01:34:13.000 You can't just jump into it.

01:34:15.000 And when you think about how big he was at 205, it maybe would have even been better for him to not really put on much weight.

01:34:22.000 I agree.

01:34:23.000 100%.

01:34:24.000 It's not like Cyril Gahn's a grappler.

01:34:26.000 And you got to be fast.

01:34:27.000 Yeah, you got to be fast.

01:34:28.000 Like, your speed's a factor.

01:34:29.000 It's a giant factor.

01:34:30.000 And he's got insane power.

01:34:32.000 I mean, his power has always been heavyweight overpowered.

01:34:34.000 He's not going to lose his power.

01:34:35.000 He's not going to lose his power.

01:34:35.000 Absolutely.

01:34:36.000 Because he was so big.

01:34:37.000 He was 251.

01:34:38.000 And I was thinking, man, now it's like even though you have more power, you're also moving around with extra weight on your body.

01:34:46.000 Like, you're weighed down more by gravity.

01:34:50.000 I mean, Gahn looked so light and so loose.

01:34:53.000 He's just like that style for a heavyweight, light on the toes like that, is so unusual.

01:34:58.000 And not allowing Pereira to set his feet.

01:35:01.000 No, never.

01:35:01.000 Like, that's very smart.

01:35:03.000 And even, like, feigning takedowns.

01:35:05.000 It's not like he committed to those, but he's got them thinking about it.

01:35:07.000 Look at how he drops them with the back of the jack.

01:35:09.000 Now, here's the question because one of the things that Pereira is saying is a lot of the shots were illegal into the back of the head, but a lot of them were to the side of the head.

01:35:19.000 Those are close.

01:35:20.000 They're close.

01:35:21.000 And the first one also.

01:35:22.000 When they explain it to you, it's a two inch line down like a mohawk.

01:35:30.000 This whole apron right here.

01:35:32.000 But it's like, this is legal.

01:35:34.000 This is legal.

01:35:35.000 Yeah.

01:35:36.000 This is legal.

01:35:36.000 This is illegal.

01:35:37.000 Legal, illegal.

01:35:38.000 I mean, a couple of those shots definitely landed illegally, but it's illegal.

01:35:43.000 Hammer fist first one.

01:35:43.000 No, there's a hammer fist.

01:35:44.000 Did you see him drop his head down to the hips?

01:35:46.000 Exactly.

01:35:47.000 So you're moving.

01:35:48.000 That's legal.

01:35:49.000 That's illegal.

01:35:51.000 There's a couple illegal ones.

01:35:52.000 There's probably three or four.

01:35:54.000 Right, but it's also movement and chaos.

01:35:57.000 It's not like he's trying to deliberately.

01:35:59.000 That's like poking someone in the eye on purpose.

01:36:01.000 Like if I was that good, I would touch their chin.

01:36:03.000 Right.

01:36:04.000 How was the fight stopped?

01:36:05.000 That's a lot smaller target.

01:36:06.000 Was the fight stopped there on the ground?

01:36:08.000 No.

01:36:08.000 No, it kept going.

01:36:10.000 This is actually the finish of the fight right here.

01:36:11.000 I think that was a finish.

01:36:12.000 He caught him with a big elbow right here and rocked him.

01:36:15.000 I mean, Pereira was in real trouble.

01:36:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:36:17.000 I mean, he got fucked up. 1.00

01:36:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:19.000 And Cyril Gahn did a fantastic job. 0.99

01:36:22.000 He really put it on him.

01:36:23.000 Should you ever stop a championship fight?

01:36:26.000 This is it right here.

01:36:28.000 That was it right there.

01:36:29.000 I would have.

01:36:30.000 At that point, I look like a stoppage.

01:36:32.000 I'm not saying it wasn't.

01:36:32.000 I haven't watched the fight.

01:36:34.000 Here's the stoppage right here.

01:36:35.000 You can see it.

01:36:35.000 I haven't either, and I'm just watching this.

01:36:37.000 Yeah, that's.

01:36:38.000 Like he failed, it was cumulative.

01:36:40.000 It was so many blows.

01:36:42.000 Maybe he could have taken one or two more after that for sure.

01:36:45.000 But Pereira is pissed off at Herb Dean, and he's saying Herb Dean should never referee again because he allowed those shots to the back of the head.

01:36:53.000 I mean, you're in the moment.

01:36:54.000 I mean, fight, but that's natural for a fighter to do.

01:36:56.000 Like, like, well, if a situation you want to bring first off, you got to bring awareness to it.

01:37:00.000 So they're not, you know, they're you have to always be aware of, hey, I could have done better here.

01:37:06.000 Yeah, that's how we all grow.

01:37:07.000 So we need to do need to talk about it.

01:37:09.000 But from what I just watched there, and I haven't watched the whole fight, was the fight competitive at all?

01:37:12.000 Yes.

01:37:13.000 Okay.

01:37:13.000 The first round was very good.

01:37:14.000 So that would change a little thing, but from what I just watched right there at the end, that was, that looked like a good finish to me.

01:37:14.000 Okay.

01:37:21.000 The refs have such a tough job. 1.00

01:37:22.000 Yeah, they do. 1.00

01:37:23.000 I'm notorious for being really hard on these refs because, I mean, it's, they, you expect them to be, you need them to be perfect. 1.00

01:37:33.000 Their main job is to protect you. 0.93

01:37:36.000 When I fought Michael Chandler, I'm still, and again, I only speak about it now because I've never had a retraction.

01:37:45.000 From the referee, whenever he poked me in the eye and then he didn't get in between us and he let him hit me with a huge shot, and then he doesn't give me my time to rest, not rest, to recover.

01:38:00.000 And there was only five seconds left in the round, so it turned out that I got a break anyways.

01:38:05.000 But he goes in there, he says, Are you good?

01:38:07.000 I said, No, I'm not good. 0.99

01:38:09.000 He just poked me in the fucking eye. 0.99

01:38:10.000 And he says, Okay, but are you good? 0.99

01:38:12.000 And so then it's like, Can I still fight?

01:38:15.000 So then I said, Yeah, I'm good.

01:38:17.000 And he says, Okay, go.

01:38:18.000 What referee was this?

01:38:19.000 The guy with the braid that he puts in his head.

01:38:21.000 Oh, Mike Beltrand.

01:38:22.000 Yeah, Mike Beltrand.

01:38:23.000 And so I was very upset that he let Michael Chandler land that shot.

01:38:28.000 And I know why. 0.97

01:38:29.000 He was so scared of the fucking heat we were throwing that he didn't want to jump in there and get in the middle of it. 0.98

01:38:35.000 But his job is to protect me. 0.99

01:38:37.000 And he failed.

01:38:38.000 He failed so bad right there. 1.00

01:38:40.000 And so, like, after the fact, I was like, I need you to acknowledge this so that you do not ever let that happen to another athlete in there because you fucked up so bad. 0.99

01:38:49.000 And, you know, he's trying to justify it. 1.00

01:38:52.000 And it's like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:38:54.000 How can you justify this? 0.99

01:38:56.000 And so that.

01:38:57.000 For me, that pisses me off.

01:38:59.000 And then the decision not to give me my time, like, I need an explanation.

01:39:04.000 You know, because I need to know that you are going to learn from this experience.

01:39:09.000 And for right now, I still believe that he doesn't think he did anything wrong.

01:39:13.000 And so I'm still upset about that.

01:39:15.000 Well, once you say to someone.

01:39:16.000 Because we're petty.

01:39:17.000 We're petty, you know what?

01:39:18.000 Well, you should be in that situation.

01:39:19.000 Because you say to someone, you got poked in the eye.

01:39:22.000 Are you good? 1.00

01:39:23.000 And you're like, yeah, I'm good, but I got poked in the fucking eye. 0.99

01:39:27.000 You're supposed to say, yeah, five minutes. 0.99

01:39:29.000 One or two seconds, but are you good?

01:39:31.000 I said, well, yeah, I'm good.

01:39:32.000 He says, okay, go.

01:39:33.000 Are you good is not the right question.

01:39:36.000 You have five minutes.

01:39:38.000 Are you ready to fight?

01:39:39.000 Can you see?

01:39:40.000 Do you need to bring in a doctor?

01:39:41.000 There's a series of questions, but you have five minutes is very important.

01:39:46.000 For a fighter getting poked in the eye, you have five minutes to recover.

01:39:50.000 Yeah, I didn't feel like, I didn't know.

01:39:52.000 I didn't know at the point.

01:39:53.000 I feel pressure in my face right now.

01:39:55.000 I don't, this feels so bad.

01:39:56.000 You're not going to know for a couple seconds.

01:39:57.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:39:58.000 You're gonna blink a little bit, move around a little bit.

01:40:01.000 All right, I'm good.

01:40:02.000 And that's when you're it's supposed to be very clear.

01:40:05.000 That's when you're ready to re engage.

01:40:07.000 And that's what I'm saying.

01:40:08.000 That's the mistake he has to learn from because it was such a. 1.00

01:40:11.000 And after the round ends, I walk over to him, like, dude, get your fucking head out of your ass. 1.00

01:40:15.000 What the fuck are you doing? 1.00

01:40:16.000 He's like, go to your stool. 1.00

01:40:17.000 I was like, no, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:40:19.000 Like, your job is to protect me. 1.00

01:40:20.000 You just let me get hit with a huge fucking shot. 1.00

01:40:24.000 What is going on? 1.00

01:40:25.000 And he's like, go to your stool, go to your stool.

01:40:27.000 And I sit down and then, boom, never thought about it again, but still pissed off about that one.

01:40:32.000 You should be.

01:40:32.000 I mean, that makes sense.

01:40:34.000 I mean, that's a mistake.

01:40:37.000 Who's the ref that against Khabib?

01:40:40.000 After the fight, he corners me in the hallway and he's like, I know you would never tap.

01:40:47.000 I was like, I tapped three times.

01:40:51.000 He's like, no, you would never tap.

01:40:53.000 I'm like, dude, from the horse's mouth, I'm telling you, I tapped.

01:40:57.000 And he still was like, no, no, you wouldn't tap. 1.00

01:41:00.000 I was like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:41:02.000 How can we get through this? 1.00

01:41:04.000 I tapped three times.

01:41:05.000 And you went to sleep.

01:41:05.000 I went to sleep.

01:41:06.000 I've seen that.

01:41:07.000 Yeah, I tapped three times.

01:41:08.000 100% you tapped.

01:41:09.000 100%.

01:41:10.000 And then he's like, no, I know that you, with the way that you compete, you.

01:41:14.000 Who's the referee?

01:41:15.000 What's that guy's name?

01:41:16.000 I hate to throw.

01:41:17.000 I don't even want to throw Herzog.

01:41:18.000 I don't even want to throw him under the bus, you know, because it's like his intentions were good for me.

01:41:24.000 You know, he believed I was.

01:41:26.000 He gave you a chance.

01:41:27.000 He gave me a chance. 0.99

01:41:28.000 But like, I fucking tapped, man. 0.99

01:41:30.000 Like, I did. 0.99

01:41:30.000 And the fight should have been stopped. 0.99

01:41:31.000 And I went to sleep because of it.

01:41:32.000 And luckily, there's no detrimental and chronic, you know, Long lasting problems because of getting choked out.

01:41:41.000 So, I mean, there's no repercussions.

01:41:43.000 Yeah, there was no concussion.

01:41:44.000 There's no TBI.

01:41:45.000 Like, it really is not detrimental at all.

01:41:47.000 As long as you don't hold it too long and I die, as long as I wake up, I'm good.

01:41:50.000 Right.

01:41:51.000 And so I was like, okay, the repercussions aren't as severe.

01:41:54.000 And so, like, whatever, I'll just let this go.

01:41:57.000 But ultimately, he did it.

01:42:01.000 I mean, even when I told him, he didn't believe me.

01:42:03.000 That was the first thing you said when you jumped up.

01:42:05.000 You went over to him, and then you guys had the conversation afterwards. 0.99

01:42:08.000 But you went over to him saying, dude, what the fuck? 0.99

01:42:09.000 I tapped. 0.99

01:42:10.000 He's like, Oh, you did it.

01:42:12.000 Then we see them later, but that was a little bit.

01:42:14.000 I was like, Dude, I tapped three times.

01:42:14.000 No, you didn't.

01:42:17.000 I tapped three fucking times. 1.00

01:42:18.000 Yeah, it was pretty obvious. 1.00

01:42:20.000 Like, you make mistakes and they don't see it. 0.99

01:42:21.000 Everyone was like, oh, you said you know, you're some kind of fucking superman. 0.99

01:42:25.000 Why would you tap? 1.00

01:42:26.000 It's like when your life is ending, you know, you're a fool if you don't understand that. 0.99

01:42:32.000 Like, I knew I was dying, and that's just where I was. 0.99

01:42:35.000 Yeah, so that's how crazy you are to everybody. 0.89

01:42:37.000 He's in their eyes, they're like, no, dude, like I know you better than you do. 0.90

01:42:40.000 You never tap, like you kind of fight like that.

01:42:43.000 That's what I mean.

01:42:44.000 People think the best that's how he, the best thing up to this moment is people, people don't give me credit for my intellectual abilities.

01:42:56.000 I've also played into that and I've also understood how big of an asset it is for people to approach me like that.

01:43:02.000 You know, thinking that I'm just some animal that doesn't think or feel or whatever, whatever people think or think I'm retarded.

01:43:10.000 Well, I think what it is is when you are such an animal, people think you can't be smart because a smart person would be aware of the consequences and wouldn't have the courage to fight the way you fight.

01:43:20.000 That's all it is.

01:43:21.000 And people who don't have that kind of courage, they like to dismiss people that fight like savages because they go, well, savages can't be smart.

01:43:29.000 That's not.

01:43:30.000 Right.

01:43:30.000 That's not correct.

01:43:32.000 People, it's like, you see a really hot woman, you go, oh, she's got to be a retard. 1.00

01:43:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:43:35.000 Like, no, some of them are really fucking smart and also hot. 1.00

01:43:39.000 You know, like the world is confusing. 0.98

01:43:41.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:43:41.000 And you can't categorize people and put them into things, little, little, you know, little fucking boxes just to make you feel better. 0.98

01:43:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:43:49.000 That's all it is, you know?

01:43:51.000 And you're.

01:43:52.000 And the thing is, I never signed up.

01:43:54.000 Like, when we were walking out to the press conference, there's like 12, 15,000 people out there.

01:44:00.000 I look at the guy, I was like, dude, I never, ever signed up to be a public speaker. 0.98

01:44:04.000 What the fuck are we doing here? 0.85

01:44:06.000 Like, I never wanted to be in this where I talk in front of this many people. 0.99

01:44:09.000 Like, that's not what I prepared myself for ever.

01:44:13.000 And now I'm in this situation where I have to, you know, every single word I say before these fights is analyzed by the world.

01:44:20.000 Like, the whole, you know, my father is my dad.

01:44:22.000 Like, sometimes I get tongue tied.

01:44:26.000 Sometimes I misspeak.

01:44:26.000 Yeah.

01:44:28.000 I do too, and I talk for a living.

01:44:29.000 That's what I mean.

01:44:31.000 But nobody, if people had to listen to themselves, they would understand that.

01:44:36.000 They also make mistakes. 1.00

01:44:37.000 And so it's like, fuck, man. 1.00

01:44:39.000 Like, I can't be perfect. 0.99

01:44:40.000 I'm sorry.

01:44:41.000 I really wish.

01:44:42.000 I didn't mean my dad was my father, even though, you know, it fucking makes sense and it's true.

01:44:49.000 Listen, you're dealing with a bunch of people that have to write stories.

01:44:52.000 Yeah, they have to.

01:44:53.000 It's not about writing a story because something's interesting.

01:44:56.000 They have to make a story, no matter what it is.

01:45:00.000 Their job is to create content.

01:45:02.000 And when your job is to create content, you make content out of nothing.

01:45:06.000 And it's not usually good.

01:45:07.000 It's usually not good.

01:45:09.000 And that's what they're doing.

01:45:09.000 Yeah.

01:45:10.000 They're making good deals out of nothing.

01:45:11.000 If I could have been mentally coached, it would have been in that aspect.

01:45:15.000 Public speaking?

01:45:16.000 Just like.

01:45:18.000 I think you speak very well.

01:45:19.000 No, no.

01:45:19.000 It's like.

01:45:21.000 I guess there's no lesson to learn.

01:45:23.000 Like, you just have to do it.

01:45:24.000 It's through experience.

01:45:25.000 It's like fighting.

01:45:25.000 Yeah.

01:45:26.000 You just do it a bunch of times and you get comfortable with it.

01:45:28.000 Or you're naturally talented, like Connor. 1.00

01:45:30.000 You know, who the fuck is that guy? 0.99

01:45:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:32.000 No, smart guy. 1.00

01:45:33.000 He's great at that. 1.00

01:45:34.000 Like, he's fantastic at that shit. 1.00

01:45:36.000 I mean, that's where he shines. 1.00

01:45:37.000 You ain't lying.

01:45:38.000 You are like Tom Petty.

01:45:40.000 Tom Petty to Heartbreakers.

01:45:42.000 Dude, who cares what people think?

01:45:42.000 You are Petty.

01:45:44.000 I think he speaks great, right?

01:45:47.000 I like to see what people are saying about our interview because I want to see the perception.

01:45:52.000 I want to.

01:45:54.000 Just keep inspiring. 1.00

01:45:55.000 Yeah, but the thing is, you're asking for the perceptions from people that you would probably never fucking talk to in real life because they're dumb and annoying. 0.99

01:46:03.000 And those are the people that are most likely going to comment. 0.99

01:46:08.000 You think Michael Jordan's out there leaving YouTube comments?

01:46:10.000 Right?

01:46:10.000 No.

01:46:11.000 It's not people that have their fucking shit together and have big goals. 1.00

01:46:13.000 100%. 0.99

01:46:14.000 People who are really dialed in and really fucking disciplined, and the people whose opinions you'd respect, they're not leaving comments. 0.98

01:46:22.000 They're certainly not leaving shitty comments. 0.98

01:46:24.000 You nailed that.

01:46:25.000 That's just the reality.

01:46:26.000 And I'm not hating on these people.

01:46:28.000 I'm just saying, like, I would have been one of them. 0.99

01:46:30.000 If you, if somebody gave me a fucking YouTube account when I was 17, I'd be posting the most horrible shit about everybody, right? 0.99

01:46:37.000 Everybody would. 1.00

01:46:38.000 You're a kid, or you're a dumbass. 1.00

01:46:40.000 You don't have your life together yet. 1.00

01:46:41.000 But that's the type, you can't listen to them and take that as gospel because it's just not.

01:46:45.000 Just seeing him walk through the airport and just.

01:46:48.000 Everybody's perception when they see you and meet you is so great, dude.

01:46:52.000 Like, it's like people that like, like, bro, the haters, you, yeah, the haters met you, they're like, bro, I'm a big fan, yeah, but still, but it's, but one of those things is like the inspiration on people, like, everybody comes up and they're your favorite fighter, like, I have the brand that you're the, the, your favorite fighter, favorite fighter, like, that is unique, yeah, that is like such a cool thing, like, you just keep inspiring and very proud of it, be you, you should be, should be so proud, you should be, yeah.

01:47:20.000 So, I asked you after the fight if you were going to fight again.

01:47:23.000 You said you promised your mom you weren't going to make a decision.

01:47:27.000 And so it just settled in.

01:47:28.000 I mean, today we're here.

01:47:30.000 It's Friday.

01:47:30.000 The fight was just Sunday, so it was five days ago.

01:47:33.000 So now you're just like, fuck. 1.00

01:47:35.000 How do you not after that? 1.00

01:47:36.000 I mean, you're the fucking champ. 0.99

01:47:37.000 It would be great to go out like that. 0.99

01:47:38.000 It would be an amazing cap, but also great to have at least one more.

01:47:46.000 Yeah.

01:47:49.000 People like to watch chaos.

01:47:49.000 We'll see.

01:47:51.000 At the highest level, controlled chaos.

01:47:51.000 We will see.

01:47:54.000 You know, it'll never be that chaos again because it'll never be like fighter jet flyovers and it's hard to understand how dangerous this game is if you don't do it.

01:48:03.000 Right.

01:48:04.000 And so, it's impossible.

01:48:06.000 Yeah.

01:48:07.000 Yeah.

01:48:07.000 So that'll be a huge, that's a huge factor.

01:48:10.000 There's a lot of variables that I have to contemplate when it comes to that decision.

01:48:17.000 Do you have a timeline in your head?

01:48:19.000 I do know.

01:48:20.000 So you can't remember a time I fought two times in six months.

01:48:24.000 In the UFC, I've fought two times this year already in less than six months.

01:48:30.000 And so I'm going to take the rest of the year.

01:48:33.000 I need my body to heal.

01:48:34.000 I mean, I have. 0.99

01:48:37.000 What's the fucking diagnosis? 0.99

01:48:39.000 I have a severe bone edema in the tip of my fibula that happened on Christmas. 0.99

01:48:46.000 And I have been dealing with that since Christmas Day.

01:48:49.000 So a bone bleed, like a bruised bone?

01:48:52.000 Yeah, it's in the bone marrow of the tip of my fibula.

01:48:55.000 Tip of my tibula clacked against my femur.

01:48:58.000 And it caused.

01:49:00.000 A deep, deep bruise, and I cannot get it to heal because I went, you know, I was going through training camp.

01:49:05.000 It really hurt after the paddy fight.

01:49:07.000 When are you leaving?

01:49:08.000 When are you leaving today?

01:49:10.000 Will you fly out at like 6 30?

01:49:13.000 I want to see if I can get you into waist well.

01:49:13.000 It's three o'clock.

01:49:15.000 Let me text Brigham and see if they could jab some fucking stem cells in there before you leave. 0.99

01:49:20.000 I mean, I've gone to Vegas. 0.99

01:49:22.000 I've got stem cells multiple times.

01:49:24.000 PRP.

01:49:24.000 Waist well?

01:49:25.000 PRP.

01:49:26.000 PRP put me on crutches.

01:49:27.000 It was crazy.

01:49:29.000 And then I did a cortisone shot.

01:49:31.000 The Friday before I left.

01:49:33.000 Wow.

01:49:33.000 And that helped a lot.

01:49:35.000 Well, not training is really what it needs, right?

01:49:38.000 Have you been doing any hyperbaric chamber stuff?

01:49:41.000 No.

01:49:41.000 That's huge.

01:49:42.000 I got like recovery.

01:49:43.000 You have no idea how against my process you guys would be.

01:49:48.000 I mean, I think I got two, I probably had two massages this camp.

01:49:53.000 That's amazing.

01:49:57.000 Well, it's really funny if you look at the difference between Ilya Tapori as a YouTube channel.

01:50:04.000 As well, where it's fantastic, really goes into depth.

01:50:07.000 But they're using like all this high tech neuro stimulation headgear, and he's doing all these different things, and it's all.

01:50:15.000 You see the video?

01:50:16.000 It's got him doing that and then me taking a 420 dab.

01:50:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:50:21.000 Did you see our video?

01:50:22.000 Where he had the dog chakra on his forehead.

01:50:26.000 Every time he got straight with his legs, it got flat, I hit the button.

01:50:29.000 Did you bend his legs again?

01:50:31.000 No, we covered our eyes and threw balls at each other.

01:50:35.000 Yeah.

01:50:36.000 Trying to tap into those intuitive abilities.

01:50:38.000 Yeah, right.

01:50:38.000 Yeah, with your eyes closed.

01:50:39.000 But I mean, dude, like.

01:50:41.000 They're funny. 1.00

01:50:43.000 I come from the fucking dirt. 1.00

01:50:45.000 You know, my parents fucked up. 1.00

01:50:46.000 They didn't put a golf club in my hand at four years old. 1.00

01:50:48.000 They threw me in the dirt.

01:50:50.000 And, you know, I became comfortable with the uncomfortable.

01:50:54.000 That's a giant factor, though.

01:50:57.000 Being comfortable with being uncomfortable is a huge asset.

01:51:00.000 Yeah.

01:51:01.000 It's such a value.

01:51:02.000 With everything in life.

01:51:02.000 It is.

01:51:03.000 With everything in life.

01:51:04.000 I think wrestling is definitely, definitely has, is the biggest variable when it comes to my success.

01:51:10.000 I mean, the mental, the mental side of it.

01:51:12.000 Like, Nobody can.

01:51:16.000 It's very similar to fighting in the fact that nobody can help you.

01:51:20.000 You know, it is against you.

01:51:21.000 All the blame is on you.

01:51:23.000 All the success goes to you.

01:51:25.000 And you can never use somebody else as an excuse.

01:51:30.000 Any team setting, I played football, I played baseball, soccer, swim team.

01:51:34.000 Swim team is a little different.

01:51:35.000 But, you know, there's always a justification for why you failed or why you lost when it comes to those.

01:51:42.000 And you could always point to somewhere else.

01:51:47.000 Or at least a piece, even if it's 1% or 2% somebody else's fault, then you can justify it.

01:51:52.000 You know, the loss.

01:51:53.000 In wrestling, that's never the case.

01:51:55.000 Not only that, it's a combat sport that's acceptable in high school.

01:51:59.000 Like, it's a combat sport that you take in junior high school, you take in high school, and kids learn.

01:52:04.000 Like, there's guys out there that are different.

01:52:06.000 They're working harder than you, they're more aggressive than you, they want it more than you, they put in more time than you.

01:52:13.000 And that's a lesson that's very valuable because kids.

01:52:18.000 Get delusional about what their abilities are, how special they are, who they are. 0.97

01:52:22.000 When you get fucking flatlined by some dude who just fucking picks you up and slams you on your back and pins you, and you're like, and he can do it anytime he wants. 0.97

01:52:29.000 And this is the reality of training with this guy, like over and over and over again. 0.99

01:52:33.000 You're like, oh, great.

01:52:34.000 He lateral drops you in front of the whole class.

01:52:36.000 Oh, great.

01:52:37.000 Like, this is reality.

01:52:39.000 Now, you're either going to get better or this is going to keep happening to you over and over and over again.

01:52:44.000 And the mental toughness that comes out of kids that grind it out in wrestling and learn how to wrestle uncomfortably.

01:52:50.000 Learn how to cut weight at an early age. 1.00

01:52:53.000 All that shit's terrible for you, but the mental aspect of it is fucking undeniable. 1.00

01:52:58.000 Think about how many great wrestlers have become great MMA champions. 1.00

01:53:02.000 It's the most important thing.

01:53:02.000 Absolutely.

01:53:04.000 And great business people.

01:53:06.000 I watched a study a long time ago.

01:53:08.000 They said that boxing and wrestling created the best employees because of accountability.

01:53:13.000 Yes.

01:53:13.000 You know, and again, cutting the weight.

01:53:15.000 Like, you're responsible.

01:53:16.000 Like, that's what I love about Justin is what makes it so nice to train him is.

01:53:22.000 High level people. 0.98

01:53:23.000 Like, I've had the luck to be able to train some high level guys lately, and I don't have to deal with any shit. 0.80

01:53:29.000 Like, you know, and it's if I hold myself accountable, then there's we don't have to have these deep conversations or get our feelings hurt that we're just true to it. 0.74

01:53:36.000 His accountability for everything is just there's nothing like it.

01:53:40.000 And I credit that to his parents.

01:53:42.000 His parents are just such amazing people.

01:53:44.000 And the way that they had raised him to hold, you know, because he screwed up a lot as a kid.

01:53:48.000 I told him if we were hanging out when we were younger, we had a lot of trouble because he reminded me of myself, super hyper, like, Like making super bad decisions, but getting punished, getting grounded, getting not being able to go out late at night, like strict parents, and that being able to understand that there are rules in life and you have to be accountable.

01:54:04.000 If you screw up, you got to deal with the punishment.

01:54:07.000 And that is, it comes from your parents.

01:54:08.000 I agree.

01:54:09.000 That's one of your best friends.

01:54:10.000 My parents being such good people.

01:54:15.000 So, my mindset has always, since I was a kid, I have looked up.

01:54:18.000 So, the reason I take comments online and I read them, I've always looked up and given every single person I've ever interacted with the benefit of the doubt of being good.

01:54:32.000 And whether it's what they're saying, what they're doing, their actions, Everybody's been my role model.

01:54:38.000 I've never, never looked at myself as a role model.

01:54:41.000 I've always looked at whether, no matter what, even strangers, like I trust that they're good.

01:54:49.000 And that's where I start everywhere from.

01:54:54.000 And so reading comments online, like I truly take into account what I'm reading, you know, and I don't know why, because I know it doesn't matter a lot of the times. 0.90

01:55:04.000 A lot of these probably fucking 13, 14 year old kids, but in my mind, they're 50 year old kids.

01:55:10.000 You know, men with experience, and I just try to use as much and as much of the readily available information, comments, words, action as I can from a place of, like, I feel like a child in a sense when it comes to interacting with people. 0.98

01:55:28.000 And I don't know why that's how I take it or that's how I do it, but it makes everything, you know, a little bit better.

01:55:34.000 And I'm not as disappointed as much because, like, once I learn that they're not that, or they're not good, and they can't help me, then.

01:55:42.000 I don't be like, oh, that's a bad person.

01:55:44.000 I'm just like, okay, I'm not going to have that experience again.

01:55:48.000 Well, that's a good perspective.

01:55:49.000 It sounds like you use it then.

01:55:51.000 And that's, listen, everyone's different.

01:55:52.000 And if you can handle it and you don't get mentally ill from reading comments, dude, that's a rare, you're a rare person.

01:55:58.000 We had many conversations in the way that human service is.

01:56:01.000 That's what my, I went to school for human service.

01:56:04.000 I love to help people.

01:56:05.000 You have no idea how much joy it brings me to assist people, to make people's life better, to lift someone's spirit.

01:56:14.000 I mean, that is what makes me feel alive.

01:56:17.000 And that comes through my faith and through my parents.

01:56:20.000 You know, my parents are such good people.

01:56:22.000 They deserve so much more than most parents because of their actions and their example that they showed for me.

01:56:30.000 And yeah, I'm just so grateful to be the person that I am because, you know, it makes life easier.

01:56:37.000 Life is easy.

01:56:38.000 Life is so easy when you're not concerned about what people think, when you're not worried about things that you can't control.

01:56:44.000 Well, it's also easy if you're a good person.

01:56:47.000 Well, it's only, but I couldn't be a good person without the example of my parents.

01:56:51.000 You have no idea how good and naive my parents are.

01:56:55.000 And when I say naive, it's in such a good way because they haven't done the bad things that most of us have done.

01:57:04.000 And I failed him.

01:57:05.000 And the last time I ever did drugs, I woke up in an ambulance and I'm pretty sure I died. 0.97

01:57:14.000 And I was like, I will never fucking do that again. 0.98

01:57:16.000 My parents do not deserve that. 0.99

01:57:18.000 And that was probably 2016.

01:57:21.000 Wow.

01:57:21.000 And I was like, I will never touch that again, ever.

01:57:24.000 My parents do not deserve that.

01:57:26.000 And that's why I'm here.

01:57:29.000 Well, good for you, dude.

01:57:31.000 That's awesome.

01:57:32.000 And it's great that you have such an awesome relationship with your parents.

01:57:35.000 And it really does seem like that attitude that you have is very freeing in a lot of ways.

01:57:40.000 It is.

01:57:41.000 It really is.

01:57:42.000 Yeah.

01:57:42.000 Golf, weed.

01:57:46.000 Trevor, let's talk about those gloves. 0.97

01:57:48.000 What the fuck do we have to do to get your gloves into the UFC? 0.95

01:57:51.000 It doesn't make any sense that we're using inferior gloves. 0.97

01:57:54.000 Wait, I want, obviously, I want to talk about this, but the gloves I fought in this week were different.

01:58:01.000 They are?

01:58:02.000 They felt, it was a different color.

01:58:03.000 They weren't different.

01:58:04.000 It was the same glove.

01:58:06.000 The leather was different.

01:58:07.000 It was a little bit thicker, I think.

01:58:10.000 And so it was softer.

01:58:12.000 And so every time I've ever fought, I've had the most excruciating pain in between my hands right here.

01:58:17.000 And I didn't feel that at all this fight.

01:58:19.000 So it's like if you have a thinner material going through, it's going to cut through the skin a little easier.

01:58:25.000 So it was a tighter material.

01:58:27.000 This was looser because it was thicker.

01:58:29.000 It was weird.

01:58:31.000 So it was better.

01:58:32.000 Better.

01:58:32.000 Better for that feeling.

01:58:34.000 All fighters better for comfortability, yeah.

01:58:36.000 Like, you guys have no idea how uncomfortable we are when we're always like pulling on the glove to pull it back.

01:58:40.000 It's like getting a hand wrap too tight and you get those little things between it.

01:58:42.000 It's like pulling on the tongue here, so you make a fist and it squeezes harder.

01:58:48.000 But he's this guy's a genius, he can make anything.

01:58:50.000 Uh, so Hunter reached out to me three weeks ago, four weeks ago, and said he wanted to ignite the conversation again.

01:58:57.000 So we'll see where that goes.

01:58:58.000 But uh, you know, from that first position that we were in, a lot of things happened.

01:59:03.000 Uh, in a great thing, I always told you it was going to be timing, timing's everything, and uh.

01:59:07.000 They did the right thing and tried to make what we had spoken about.

01:59:11.000 You know, we had an NDA and we had a five year, and they moved it to a two year.

01:59:16.000 Took a lot of great notes, and I'm very grateful to be a part of those because they did go out there and use a lot of the ideas that I had, but they just couldn't do it to the level that I could do it.

01:59:25.000 And I thought it was super cool that they were trying because it's a problem that they don't really see and understand.

01:59:31.000 So I think they're in the right mindset, and, you know, them helping the athletes I thought was a great, great thing to do.

01:59:38.000 But during that time, when I was going to talk to you, I actually brought the gloves, and it was when you were fighting on 300.

01:59:45.000 We were out there, and I had a new patent that I had been working on.

01:59:48.000 So we could go an opposite direction if they want to hone it.

01:59:51.000 It's a separate patent from the patent that I had that goes in all of our products the internal strapping.

01:59:55.000 This was a new patent, still with internal strapping, but a more dialed in for a fight glove.

02:00:01.000 And then we had those two options.

02:00:02.000 And then when we got there, Ollie had told me that they're releasing a new glove.

02:00:06.000 And so we have, you know, Two versions now, which is super cool.

02:00:11.000 And yeah, I think it'll go great.

02:00:14.000 Here's the conversation, though.

02:00:15.000 Like, what are you trying to fix?

02:00:18.000 Eye pokes.

02:00:19.000 Okay.

02:00:20.000 That is not possible.

02:00:20.000 Eye pokes are big.

02:00:22.000 You don't think it's possible to make less eye pokes?

02:00:24.000 You could make less.

02:00:25.000 You can make less, but you'll never stop.

02:00:27.000 You're never going to stop.

02:00:28.000 Well, of course, you're not going to stop because the fingers are out.

02:00:30.000 The issue is the athlete.

02:00:33.000 The issue is the comfortability of the athlete and the performance of the athlete.

02:00:38.000 That is where.

02:00:40.000 Your ambition has to lie when it comes to making the glove better. 0.99

02:00:45.000 Because the gloves we're finding in now are fucking terrible. 0.99

02:00:50.000 You have no idea. 0.99

02:00:52.000 It's hard to make a fist.

02:00:53.000 You have to use your entire muscle of your arm to make a fist.

02:00:56.000 And so by the time we get to the fight, this is already exhausted.

02:01:02.000 And then the pressure in between your fingers is like something you can't replicate.

02:01:08.000 Let me ask you this Do you think it's possible to make something that's like a mitten? 0.71

02:01:12.000 Something that covers over the tips of the fingers, you would have fucking 80% less eye pokes.

02:01:18.000 I do think you could do that in time.

02:01:20.000 I don't think that's the change is hard for everybody, Joe.

02:01:23.000 Wow.

02:01:23.000 And that's a huge change for grapplers and things like that.

02:01:26.000 But, but, so you're a grappler.

02:01:28.000 So you're a grappler.

02:01:29.000 Most people are going to say, well, that's going to affect this or my certain locker until they try it.

02:01:34.000 But again, it's, it's, you could test it.

02:01:36.000 It would enhance it.

02:01:37.000 The only, the problem would be like rear naked chokes, like getting the hand behind the head, you have more thickness.

02:01:42.000 Like it's regular gloves are a problem already.

02:01:44.000 But is it more of a problem just to have the fingers covered with the regular glove?

02:01:48.000 I think it's the same.

02:01:49.000 It might actually even slip in better.

02:01:52.000 But the thing is, it's like covering the tips with like a mitten, like those old school Everlast bag gloves.

02:01:58.000 I just think it's a different sport now.

02:02:00.000 But why?

02:02:01.000 You can still clinch, you can still do everything.

02:02:02.000 That's what I'm talking about, Jeremy.

02:02:03.000 You take eyes to the ground, everything's the same.

02:02:05.000 You can still grapple.

02:02:06.000 This is telling me so much right now.

02:02:09.000 And if you take that away from me, yeah.

02:02:10.000 Right.

02:02:12.000 That's a huge factor when it comes to intuitive abilities.

02:02:15.000 Okay, explain that to me.

02:02:16.000 What are you feeling with your fingertips that you think would be missing?

02:02:20.000 Well, it's not the fingertips.

02:02:23.000 It's my hand.

02:02:24.000 He moves away, he moves any direction.

02:02:27.000 I can make that read.

02:02:28.000 Now he's farther, now he's there.

02:02:29.000 Right.

02:02:30.000 And I think if you're going to take touch away from us, That would deter our intuitive abilities.

02:02:37.000 I wonder.

02:02:38.000 I wonder how much.

02:02:39.000 But I also think you have to understand where, as a fighter, for me, it's like when I am relaxed, when I'm relaxed, and if my hand can be in this position when I'm relaxed, then I'm okay.

02:02:52.000 Then there's not going to be as many eye pokes.

02:02:54.000 But when I relax and it goes like this, right?

02:02:57.000 Like, and now I have to do this.

02:03:00.000 I'm naturally, you're never going to take the human reaction and instinct away to protect yourself.

02:03:05.000 And the instinct to protect yourself is.

02:03:08.000 Right.

02:03:08.000 No.

02:03:09.000 That is the instinct.

02:03:10.000 Right.

02:03:11.000 It's intuitive.

02:03:11.000 It's natural.

02:03:12.000 And it has to be that because you're trying to get your chin tucked behind your shoulders so that you don't get hit. 1.00

02:03:20.000 But the uncomfortability and like the strenuous effort it takes to make a fist is fucking stupid. 1.00

02:03:29.000 It's stupid. 1.00

02:03:29.000 And this is the difference between your gloves and the current UFC gloves. 1.00

02:03:33.000 My gloves are part of your hand.

02:03:34.000 My gloves are one of those things that it's.

02:03:36.000 It promotes a natural hand position.

02:03:38.000 Natural position.

02:03:39.000 A better grip, better fist position where I'm not, when I squeeze my fist and I have the wrap on, it doesn't pull my hand up like this.

02:03:46.000 And when you see guys touch gloves, they're usually like this, not like this.

02:03:50.000 And it's lining the bones up for, you know, again, they said that the last gloves were causing less knockouts.

02:03:55.000 Our gloves were going to cause more knockouts because of better hand position, better grip strength on being able to have holds.

02:04:01.000 Like if I'm holding someone's forearm.

02:04:02.000 And protection for your hands, so less broken hands.

02:04:05.000 And internal strapping.

02:04:06.000 Like that is a huge thing.

02:04:07.000 Like my goal at a certain point would be to have where you can't have hand wraps on.

02:04:12.000 Like, if you have a glove that's actually protecting your hand, but you have the gloves on, that now it's equal 100%.

02:04:18.000 Because if you got one person that adds more padding or less padding or double layers tape, like, there's many different things that you can do.

02:04:26.000 And that, to me, it's like if one fighter has Tate wrapping their hands and then the other one has House wrapping the hands, they're wrapping differently.

02:04:35.000 Which one's better for breaks?

02:04:36.000 Which one's better for punching?

02:04:38.000 Like, so having that would be really cool.

02:04:41.000 And that's the difference with our gloves.

02:04:43.000 I've never broke my hand.

02:04:43.000 I'll show you.

02:04:45.000 When he's ever taped my hands.

02:04:47.000 Like, his tape job is.

02:04:49.000 I can't wait to show it off to the commission every single time.

02:04:53.000 I'm like, look at that.

02:04:55.000 Tell me you've seen a better one than that tonight.

02:04:57.000 And every time they're like, I don't think so.

02:05:00.000 You got gloves?

02:05:02.000 Of course you did.

02:05:04.000 Of course you did.

02:05:05.000 They're my favorite by far.

02:05:07.000 And, ladies and gentlemen at home, if you're just listening, the difference between Trevor's gloves and everybody else's gloves, one of the big differences is that you can see.

02:05:15.000 If you're looking at it on that, let's see how they're curved, folks.

02:05:17.000 It looks like a hand.

02:05:18.000 The regular gloves from the UFC are not.

02:05:20.000 They're straight, just like this.

02:05:22.000 So these gloves promote a natural punching position.

02:05:26.000 Look, without even putting them on, they're already in that position.

02:05:28.000 And then when you put them on, they're damn near perfect.

02:05:31.000 The padding is amazing.

02:05:33.000 They're fantastic to hit the bag with. 0.98

02:05:35.000 They're just fucking awesome. 0.98

02:05:38.000 And more importantly, look what they promote. 0.98

02:05:40.000 So my hand is totally dead relaxed, and it promotes a closed fist position.

02:05:45.000 The cool part, Joe, is this.

02:05:46.000 This is what I was talking about.

02:05:47.000 So, this is a, he's doing the internal strapping right now.

02:05:50.000 This strap is coming from over here.

02:05:51.000 So, that's going to pull this in.

02:05:53.000 As you notice, we got pad on the side.

02:05:54.000 So, there's no, like, all the other gloves to pad.

02:05:56.000 Right, right, right.

02:05:58.000 Coming down on a single knuckle.

02:05:59.000 But again, this strap is going to really seal you in.

02:06:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:06:03.000 And then this one.

02:06:05.000 Oh, so these are better than the last ones you brought here. 0.97

02:06:08.000 Oh, this is fucking fantastic. 0.94

02:06:09.000 Listen, I've been dialing in, finding the right product. 0.99

02:06:12.000 Oh, my God, you don't even need hand wraps.

02:06:14.000 Well, you had told me before that when you hit the bag with his gloves, his bag gloves.

02:06:17.000 I haven't used, I haven't grabbed my hands since 2015.

02:06:20.000 Pfeiffer doesn't fight with hand wraps on, which is crazy.

02:06:23.000 You guys don't.

02:06:24.000 And it can get to the point if we have the right protection.

02:06:27.000 It's awesome.

02:06:28.000 This is so superior to the UFC gloves.

02:06:31.000 I mean, the fact that this isn't being used. 0.98

02:06:33.000 By the UFC right now is fucking crazy. 0.75

02:06:35.000 We're going to get it done. 0.97

02:06:36.000 I hope so.

02:06:37.000 I've been trying so hard.

02:06:38.000 I stepped away from the business part.

02:06:40.000 I'm the visionary now.

02:06:41.000 So I got the right people that know how to make deals.

02:06:43.000 So it's right.

02:06:44.000 And the UFC is going to be happy with it.

02:06:46.000 We were ready.

02:06:47.000 Yeah.

02:06:47.000 Dude, I'm in there like, dude, I don't think we're going to do it.

02:06:50.000 That was me versus Khabib.

02:06:52.000 I take full responsibility. 1.00

02:06:53.000 Oh, I believe it.

02:06:54.000 That I didn't know that you could do deals all these different ways.

02:06:57.000 You know, when they'd say what they wanted to do, I was like, yeah, that's not how it was.

02:06:59.000 It just feels so good.

02:07:01.000 It's so better.

02:07:02.000 It's just much better.

02:07:02.000 It's so better.

02:07:03.000 It's like, would you put it on your best one?

02:07:05.000 Oh, I want to hit something. 0.96

02:07:06.000 Well, this is one of the things that I love about you you're so fucking creative with stuff. 0.87

02:07:11.000 And you're constantly trying to recover. 0.87

02:07:13.000 Every single piece of equipment I have trained with the last.

02:07:16.000 Dude, these.

02:07:17.000 So we see so many interesting stuff.

02:07:19.000 So this is your training bag?

02:07:21.000 Oh, that's what I train in.

02:07:22.000 Nice.

02:07:22.000 Yep.

02:07:23.000 I hit pads in that.

02:07:24.000 I've never wore hand wraps once.

02:07:26.000 Oh, that's fantastic.

02:07:28.000 Watch how you cast open your hand to go straight out.

02:07:33.000 And then the pointer knuckle.

02:07:34.000 Protecting that pointer knuckle.

02:07:36.000 Is so big.

02:07:40.000 Yeah.

02:07:42.000 Yeah.

02:07:43.000 That's it, right?

02:07:44.000 Oh, it's so nice.

02:07:44.000 Yeah.

02:07:45.000 Yeah.

02:07:45.000 And then you open it.

02:07:46.000 You open it.

02:07:47.000 Right.

02:07:47.000 You can still grip.

02:07:48.000 But your fingers.

02:07:48.000 You can still grip.

02:07:49.000 Grab things.

02:07:50.000 It's hard to chokes.

02:07:51.000 And the door knocking knuckles.

02:07:52.000 This is what my hands are like.

02:07:54.000 I bet you do.

02:07:55.000 You got to go palm to palm, right?

02:07:57.000 But still, it's just.

02:07:58.000 Those are yours, though.

02:07:59.000 Fantastic.

02:08:00.000 And then I got you another pair of X Factors, too.

02:08:00.000 Oh, thank you.

02:08:00.000 Yeah.

02:08:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:08:03.000 You got big hands.

02:08:04.000 So I remember I gave you the 60s.

02:08:05.000 You're like, bro, these ain't going to work for me.

02:08:08.000 I got big hands for a little dude.

02:08:08.000 Yeah.

02:08:11.000 Yeah, we'll get it done, but I mean, anytime you want to.

02:08:15.000 I'm so happy.

02:08:16.000 I'm so happy you're going to get it done because I pushed for it so many times.

02:08:19.000 I brought it up to Dana. 0.97

02:08:20.000 I was like, listen, what the fuck are we doing? 0.98

02:08:20.000 I brought it up to everybody. 0.98

02:08:23.000 You guys spent a million, billion dollars trying to make these new gloves.

02:08:26.000 You got rid of them in three months.

02:08:27.000 That's because this could sound bad.

02:08:31.000 That's because they've never thought about the fighter.

02:08:35.000 But they did.

02:08:36.000 They tried to make new gloves.

02:08:38.000 They tried.

02:08:39.000 They didn't fucking try. 0.97

02:08:40.000 Yeah, they did, dude. 0.98

02:08:41.000 I'm not even going to tell you how much money they put up.

02:08:41.000 You know how much money?

02:08:44.000 To do what?

02:08:44.000 They did.

02:08:45.000 To give me the same exact fucking product? 1.00

02:08:47.000 They thought they were making a bet. 1.00

02:08:48.000 They hired people that people don't know what the fuck they're doing. 0.99

02:08:51.000 They hired a company that works on football. 0.99

02:08:52.000 What did they change in their glove?

02:08:54.000 But they don't know.

02:08:55.000 They took the ideas.

02:08:56.000 At least they tried.

02:08:57.000 They did.

02:08:58.000 I will give them 100% credit for that.

02:08:59.000 They did try. 0.99

02:09:00.000 But I remember seeing the gloves when they tried and going, these suck. 0.98

02:09:03.000 These are not as good. 0.97

02:09:05.000 Right away.

02:09:06.000 Still uncomfortable.

02:09:07.000 Still hurt my hand.

02:09:07.000 I said to them right away, why don't you just get Trevor's gloves?

02:09:09.000 What the fuck are we doing here? 0.98

02:09:10.000 No, these are good. 0.99

02:09:11.000 These are good.

02:09:12.000 Get the best gloves exist.

02:09:16.000 Like, there's only a few people out there that are willing to really get creative and redesign and engineer gloves.

02:09:16.000 They're already made.

02:09:25.000 And when someone does it to the extent that you've done it, like, God.

02:09:28.000 So, Joe, when you think about that, that's where I think I fit in well with this because I want to evolve with the company.

02:09:35.000 And if we change one thing, like, my first thing I want to do is help a performance.

02:09:39.000 I don't want someone to hurt their hand where all of a sudden I hurt my hand on the top of your head and I'm just left handed now.

02:09:43.000 And everybody just, you know, there's no pay per view now, but I pay to watch these fights.

02:09:48.000 And now the guy that I wanted to see fight can't continue because he hurt his hand.

02:09:52.000 So we fixed that problem.

02:09:53.000 We fixed longer, better grip strength for the grapplers who are going to need to have wrist control when throwing shots.

02:09:58.000 I want to help athletes perform.

02:10:00.000 And as we go, let's slowly develop and test with the athletes and find out what we do because it's about the athlete.

02:10:05.000 It's what works for them.

02:10:07.000 And when we can get gloves on people and try something like you were talking about, that'll take time.

02:10:11.000 You have to train it and go, oh, I actually like this better.

02:10:13.000 And there's pros and cons.

02:10:14.000 There's pros and cons to everything.

02:10:16.000 So it would take time.

02:10:18.000 And that's where I'm passionate about let's find a problem and let me think through solving it.

02:10:23.000 But I need to know what that problem is.

02:10:24.000 And your gear, and we should send anybody to your website.

02:10:27.000 Is it Onyx? 0.89

02:10:28.000 Yeah, O-N-X sports. 0.99

02:10:30.000 Onyxsports.com.

02:10:31.000 Yep, a lot of people spell it with a Y. That's gloves.

02:10:33.000 The best shin pads.

02:10:34.000 Thank you.

02:10:35.000 You have the best equipment. 0.94

02:10:36.000 It's fucking phenomenal. 0.95

02:10:37.000 There it is right there. 0.98

02:10:38.000 That's the website.

02:10:39.000 Onyx Sports. 0.99

02:10:41.000 It's fucking fantastic stuff. 1.00

02:10:43.000 I mean, it's really obvious that it's a high level coach who's developed all this shit. 0.99

02:10:46.000 I mean, everything you make is top of the food chain. 0.99

02:10:49.000 You've got the best tester in the world, baby.

02:10:51.000 You've done it by far, dude. 0.99

02:10:53.000 I fucking break everything. 0.99

02:10:54.000 I'm sure. 0.99

02:10:55.000 And I cannot break these gloves.

02:10:58.000 I cannot break these gloves.

02:10:59.000 I have to switch every like six months because I wear the foam out so much.

02:11:03.000 So I don't ever want to hurt my.

02:11:05.000 But you got two or three sessions of training every day.

02:11:07.000 Like that's.

02:11:08.000 For a typical person, these gloves are going to last well over.

02:11:11.000 Corey had his shin guards for four years.

02:11:14.000 I had my shin guards for like three years.

02:11:15.000 Yeah. 0.62

02:11:16.000 And when you think about the amount of damage that three years entails, that's pretty fucking incredible for pieces of leather and foam. 0.87

02:11:23.000 You're soaked with sweat. 0.87

02:11:23.000 Yeah. 0.87

02:11:26.000 Everything's getting broken down and moisturized and then drying out again and crap.

02:11:31.000 Hey, that's our bags that were up there.

02:11:33.000 Dude, we got connectors for the shin guards and the knee pads on the outside.

02:11:36.000 So all your equipment's on the outside of the bag to dry.

02:11:39.000 Oh, yeah.

02:11:40.000 So that's really cool, too.

02:11:41.000 So just trying to rethink how things work.

02:11:44.000 That's what I love about the way you approach things.

02:11:46.000 You're always like fixing the problem.

02:11:47.000 I can't stand when we're not even working on kickboxing and someone's kicking. 0.99

02:11:51.000 And it's because they're fucking geared. 0.98

02:11:52.000 That was the worst thing about fixing my nose. 1.00

02:11:54.000 Dude, fucking smelling people. 1.00

02:11:57.000 I was like, oh my God. 1.00

02:11:59.000 You know how the gym is, especially with geese, right?

02:12:02.000 Dude, you get those dudes who don't wash their geese.

02:12:04.000 Those guys are.

02:12:05.000 That's a real problem.

02:12:06.000 It's a real problem. 1.00

02:12:07.000 And those are the ones who always give you fucking cooties, too. 1.00

02:12:09.000 Dude. 1.00

02:12:10.000 Right?

02:12:10.000 So nasty.

02:12:11.000 Yeah, it's nasty.

02:12:12.000 Listen, Justin, I just want, I'm so glad you're not going to fight to the end of the year, like for whenever. 0.99

02:12:18.000 Just enjoy that because that was a fucking masterpiece. 0.97

02:12:22.000 It was beautiful to be there. 1.00

02:12:22.000 Yes, sir. 1.00

02:12:24.000 I mean, I felt so American.

02:12:27.000 American.

02:12:29.000 I felt so.

02:12:30.000 It's so hard to represent this country because we're such a melting pot.

02:12:33.000 And I think I have done it.

02:12:33.000 Yes.

02:12:35.000 I think I achieved that.

02:12:36.000 And so I'm very, very proud of that.

02:12:37.000 Dude, you did it in spades.

02:12:39.000 I mean, you did it five stars. 0.98

02:12:40.000 It was fucking phenomenal. 0.94

02:12:42.000 It was one of the greatest events that any sporting event. 0.98

02:12:46.000 Has ever put on, I mean, maybe the greatest sporting event in the history of the world. 0.98

02:12:49.000 I said it before, this is going to be like some Miracle Night shit. 0.99

02:12:52.000 It was, man. 0.99

02:12:53.000 It really was.

02:12:53.000 I know.

02:12:54.000 I knew I had the opportunity to do something special.

02:12:56.000 He did it, and then here, come down.

02:12:59.000 Yeah, I wanted to see my family.

02:13:02.000 It was incredible.

02:13:03.000 That was so cool.

02:13:04.000 Look how cool that is.

02:13:06.000 Look how cool that is.

02:13:07.000 That is so amazing. 0.98

02:13:08.000 That's so fucking amazing.

02:13:10.000 It was an amazing night, dude. 0.96

02:13:12.000 I'm so happy I went.

02:13:13.000 I'm so happy I was there to see it live.

02:13:15.000 Me too.

02:13:16.000 I was honestly really nervous, Joe.

02:13:18.000 I was like, dude, there's like, Just again, being around everybody and something could happen.

02:13:22.000 The drones that you know that they stopped like, again, I wasn't knowing what to expect.

02:13:27.000 And then, till after the fight, because again, we couldn't take it in, it was a beautiful thing. 0.98

02:13:30.000 And Justin, I was like, fuck it, if I get taken out in the middle of the cage, how fucking legendary would that be? 0.99

02:13:35.000 I said to Trump, I go, I hope we don't die in a terrorist attack. 1.00

02:13:38.000 I said to Trump, I hope we don't die in a terrorist attack.

02:13:40.000 He goes, We got to go somehow.

02:13:43.000 I go, Everyone will remember it for the rest of eternity.

02:13:47.000 Yeah, but no, I'll pass it.

02:13:49.000 Sign me up.

02:13:50.000 I'll better the way it.

02:13:51.000 Went.

02:13:52.000 The way it went is way better.

02:13:54.000 That's a way better outcome.

02:13:55.000 Way better.

02:13:56.000 Well, hey, brother, thank you for coming here.

02:13:57.000 Yes, sir.

02:13:57.000 Congratulations.

02:13:59.000 Masterpiece.

02:14:00.000 Both of you.

02:14:00.000 Yes.

02:14:01.000 I want to go hunting.

02:14:01.000 Let's go hunting.

02:14:02.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:14:02.000 I just got a. 1.00

02:14:03.000 I'm going to shoot an elephant.

02:14:05.000 I saw on the Go Hunt website you went antelope hunting.

02:14:08.000 Yeah.

02:14:08.000 Yeah, that's awesome.

02:14:09.000 Did you see a thousand yard shot?

02:14:12.000 Dude, check it out.

02:14:13.000 Check it out. 0.99

02:14:14.000 We fucking missed our ass off. 0.99

02:14:16.000 It was windy. 0.99

02:14:16.000 We were in the. 0.99

02:14:17.000 These things do not stop moving.

02:14:19.000 They could see us forever and they just kept going.

02:14:21.000 And we were on shoot.

02:14:23.000 We couldn't get prone.

02:14:24.000 So we had to, you know, every hunt you're like, I'm going to have a prone position.

02:14:28.000 I'm going to shoot from.

02:14:29.000 We could not get in a prone position. 0.90

02:14:31.000 So we're on shooting sticks.

02:14:32.000 Trying to manipulate the sticks and take shots, yeah.

02:14:35.000 Antelope, we were not prehistoric.

02:14:37.000 So Luke misses from 140 yards, dude.

02:14:42.000 The story was so much better than Luke without that, 1093 yards, and crazy hits it in the head, drops it.

02:14:49.000 And we're just like, What the Luke, how do you hit that shot and miss 100?

02:14:56.000 This is uh, yeah, look at this.

02:14:57.000 Wow, that's thousand, thousand 92.

02:14:59.000 Was he shooting for the head?

02:15:01.000 No, I don't even know if he hit it.

02:15:03.000 I mean, it was like a neck, yeah, like a guy in the neck.

02:15:07.000 It was, well, a thousand yards. 0.99

02:15:08.000 Who knows how much you're trying to hit the center of the fucking target? 0.99

02:15:12.000 And these crazy prairies, too, the kind of wind drift you're dealing with. 0.99

02:15:15.000 And they don't, they can see for miles.

02:15:17.000 These things do not stop moving.

02:15:18.000 No, they evolved to get away from cheetahs.

02:15:21.000 There used to be North American cheetahs.

02:15:23.000 And so, North America, this is all before the Younger Dryas impact.

02:15:27.000 So, it was like when, somewhere around 11,800 years ago, 65% of all North American mammals went extinct.

02:15:34.000 And there was an American lion that was bigger than the African lion.

02:15:38.000 And then there was a cheetah. 1.00

02:15:39.000 And these fuckers, these guys evolved to get away from cheetahs. 1.00

02:15:43.000 So they can run like 55 miles an hour forever. 1.00

02:15:46.000 They fucking run. 1.00

02:15:47.000 Evolution is crazy, though. 1.00

02:15:48.000 Evolution is crazy.

02:15:49.000 Wow.

02:15:49.000 When you look at them, they look prehistoric.

02:15:51.000 Their eyeballs are like way out here.

02:15:53.000 It's crazy how good a decoy works with them, though.

02:15:55.000 Oh, horses, too.

02:15:56.000 Guys walk right up on them on horses.

02:15:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:58.000 Get a mukau thing, just walk right behind them. 0.99

02:16:01.000 Walk right behind them, and then you can.

02:16:03.000 That's how archery hunters do it a lot.

02:16:04.000 Yeah.

02:16:05.000 Yeah.

02:16:05.000 Because you have to get a lot.

02:16:06.000 Very tough to sneak up on them.

02:16:08.000 But do you do bow hunt?

02:16:09.000 Do you ever bow hunt?

02:16:12.000 No?

02:16:12.000 Would you want to learn?

02:16:12.000 No.

02:16:13.000 You would love it.

02:16:14.000 It's not that I have a bow.

02:16:15.000 You'd fall in love with it and just like buy it.

02:16:16.000 I have a bow.

02:16:17.000 Just hasn't hunted.

02:16:18.000 I shot an elk and did not recover it.

02:16:21.000 And I told myself that I will never go archery hunting unless I have the time and effort to be 100% ready to make that shot.

02:16:31.000 And so right now it's just rifle.

02:16:33.000 Well, rifle is always going to be the most effective way.

02:16:36.000 It's still an awesome way.

02:16:37.000 Coos Whitetail in Arizona is my favorite hunt.

02:16:39.000 Oh, really?

02:16:40.000 I should be.

02:16:40.000 You should be going that with me one of these days.

02:16:42.000 That's a fun hunt.

02:16:43.000 Those are tiny little guys.

02:16:44.000 Tiny little great ghosts.

02:16:45.000 I grew up there.

02:16:45.000 So my buddies.

02:16:47.000 Their whole life have looked. 0.99

02:16:48.000 We could go out there, we wouldn't find shit. 0.99

02:16:50.000 Right. 0.99

02:16:51.000 They're fucking everywhere, but we can't find them. 0.99

02:16:53.000 Yeah, they're very. 0.99

02:16:54.000 They call them the gray ghost, and my buddies can find them.

02:16:57.000 And it's such a fun hunt.

02:16:58.000 Yeah, it's a great hunt.

02:16:59.000 Well, Arizona is a great hunting state, too.

02:17:00.000 You have some of the best elk in the country.

02:17:02.000 Yeah.

02:17:02.000 Yep.

02:17:03.000 Gentlemen, again, congratulations.

02:17:06.000 Absolute masterpiece Sunday night.

02:17:08.000 One for history.

02:17:10.000 Maybe the greatest event in the history of the sport.

02:17:13.000 Call me on Joe Rogan again, baby.

02:17:13.000 I mean, it was.

02:17:15.000 Anytime.

02:17:16.000 Let's do it one more time.

02:17:17.000 Let's do it one more time when you do decide to wrap up.

02:17:19.000 Thank you guys.

02:17:20.000 Thank you.

02:17:21.000 And OnyxSports.com.

02:17:22.000 Get the best clubs in the world.

02:17:23.000 I love it.

02:17:24.000 Thank you.

02:17:25.000 Bye.

02:17:25.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 20, 2026

JRE MMA Show #181 with Justin Gaethje & Trevor Wittman

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