The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #188 with Paddy Pimblett

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00:00:12.000 Finally, my man, what's happening?

00:00:14.000 How are we?

00:00:15.000 It's nice to be here.

00:00:16.000 We might need subtitles for this episode, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:16.000 Nice to meet you.

00:00:19.000 If you're only listening, please go to Spotify.

00:00:22.000 Perhaps I'll throw some.

00:00:23.000 That Liverpool accent is thick, bro.

00:00:25.000 I'll never forget when I fought KG and Song Yudong was coming to an event on the embedded.

00:00:32.000 It had Song Yudong talking, no subtitles.

00:00:36.000 English is a second language.

00:00:37.000 And then it cuts to me and I'm talking.

00:00:39.000 It's got subtitles underneath.

00:00:40.000 I'm like, English is my first language.

00:00:45.000 Actually, English from England.

00:00:48.000 The real English.

00:00:49.000 Oh, it's crazy.

00:00:50.000 But a lot of people just can't understand me, man.

00:00:52.000 Well, I can understand you.

00:00:52.000 It's mad.

00:00:54.000 I mean, I've been over England many times, I guess.

00:00:56.000 But it is, it's thick.

00:00:58.000 It's a cool accent, though.

00:00:59.000 Out of all the English accents.

00:01:01.000 Little People is one of the coolest.

00:01:02.000 I love my accent, know what I mean?

00:01:04.000 I wouldn't change it for nothing.

00:01:06.000 How long have you been in America?

00:01:09.000 Now.

00:01:09.000 I got here.

00:01:10.000 Oh, just today?

00:01:11.000 I got here Sunday night.

00:01:14.000 Whenever you get somewhere, do people try to feed you?

00:01:17.000 Is that like the first thing they try to do?

00:01:19.000 You get fed a lot in America.

00:01:21.000 You get fed a lot in America.

00:01:23.000 Portion sizes are great, though.

00:01:24.000 I love the portion sizes.

00:01:27.000 The thing with me is the one thing that kills me is Coca Cola.

00:01:31.000 Really?

00:01:32.000 That's what gets you?

00:01:33.000 Yeah.

00:01:33.000 Coca Cola is my favorite drink on the planet.

00:01:36.000 It is.

00:01:37.000 Cherry Coca Cola or Mexican Coke in a glass bottle.

00:01:41.000 Lad, it's my favorite drink, and when you're in America and you go out for a meal, it refills.

00:01:46.000 So I have that much coke left, and the waiters or waiters will come over, take it, and put a fresh one down.

00:01:51.000 I feel like it's rude not to drink that, they just put a full one down.

00:01:56.000 It's rude not to drink it.

00:01:58.000 Do you ever like what is the heaviest you've ever gotten to?

00:02:01.000 I think the heaviest I've ever got was like 210, something like that.

00:02:05.000 But I was fat, you know what I mean?

00:02:07.000 Like, the creature was out of the air.

00:02:08.000 After which fight was that?

00:02:10.000 It's only ever when I'm in America, really, that's when I go big.

00:02:16.000 If I go to places or to stay at home, I never get that big.

00:02:20.000 Know what I mean?

00:02:21.000 But I got big.

00:02:23.000 I think the highest I got after I fought Justin was like 205.

00:02:28.000 I think that's the highest I get to now, like 205.

00:02:30.000 But I have a diet for a week.

00:02:32.000 I'm right back down to 195.

00:02:34.000 Yeah.

00:02:34.000 Oh, really?

00:02:35.000 Because it's just like loads of salt and sugar in my body.

00:02:38.000 I have a diet for a week.

00:02:40.000 Terrible food over here.

00:02:40.000 We have.

00:02:42.000 Our food.

00:02:43.000 It tastes great.

00:02:44.000 It tastes great.

00:02:45.000 But our food is poison.

00:02:47.000 But it tastes marvelous.

00:02:49.000 It's just filled with sugar and preservatives and all kinds of shit that keeps you eating it.

00:02:55.000 It makes you addicted to it, but it's not good for you.

00:02:59.000 I'm not big on the chocolate or the.

00:03:02.000 Oh no, I like them ruffles, them crisp.

00:03:04.000 Well, chips, you just call them.

00:03:05.000 Yeah.

00:03:06.000 Them ruffles are good.

00:03:07.000 But I'm not big on the snacks over here.

00:03:09.000 Snacks in England are better?

00:03:09.000 Yeah.

00:03:09.000 Really?

00:03:11.000 I think they are, yeah.

00:03:12.000 Really?

00:03:12.000 Like chocolate bars.

00:03:13.000 Chocolate bars are better in the UK.

00:03:15.000 Well, apparently, some of our chocolate isn't even really chocolate.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, it's not chocolate anymore.

00:03:19.000 It's like made in a lab, basically.

00:03:21.000 Yeah.

00:03:21.000 I've seen the videos.

00:03:22.000 I saw that.

00:03:23.000 I was like, what?

00:03:23.000 I don't know what companies are making shit chocolate, but if you get like a real legitimate, like artisan chocolate bar, you go, what is this?

00:03:32.000 You go, oh, this is what real chocolate tastes like.

00:03:32.000 Yeah.

00:03:35.000 Like, I don't like dark chocolate, though.

00:03:37.000 Oh, really?

00:03:37.000 Yeah.

00:03:38.000 I love dark chocolate.

00:03:39.000 Too, too, like, we have one in the UK called Bournville.

00:03:41.000 I love dark chocolate and skippy peanut butter.

00:03:44.000 I take a big old jar of peanut butter and a big.

00:03:49.000 Big bar of chocolate, and I just break it off in there and scoop it out.

00:03:52.000 See, I do that with Nutella.

00:03:54.000 Ah, that's good too.

00:03:55.000 I get a chocolate bar and just dip it in Nutella.

00:03:57.000 We just have a place.

00:03:58.000 That's like double chocolate.

00:03:58.000 Chocolate on chocolate.

00:03:59.000 Yeah.

00:04:01.000 Chocolate assassination.

00:04:02.000 Yeah.

00:04:02.000 Unbelievable.

00:04:04.000 So, you're here in America.

00:04:07.000 You obviously must be coming to the fights this weekend.

00:04:09.000 No, no.

00:04:10.000 No.

00:04:10.000 You're not?

00:04:11.000 You're not going to Massachusetts Square Garden?

00:04:12.000 No, I've come.

00:04:13.000 I was filming an advert yesterday.

00:04:16.000 I was in the PI, well, the Apex yesterday, filming stuff with Meta.

00:04:20.000 And then I'm here today.

00:04:21.000 And then I fly home tonight.

00:04:23.000 Oh, really?

00:04:24.000 And then I get home 10 a.m. tomorrow.

00:04:26.000 And then I'm flying to Dubai on Thursday.

00:04:29.000 Oh, wow.

00:04:30.000 What are you doing in Dubai?

00:04:31.000 Family holiday with my wife and my kids.

00:04:33.000 But one of my teammates is actually fighting on Saturday, so I'll probably go and watch him.

00:04:38.000 I think there's some sort of a ceasefire with Iran.

00:04:40.000 Is that true?

00:04:42.000 I read that today that something that it's over.

00:04:46.000 No.

00:04:47.000 I have no idea.

00:04:48.000 Depends on whose tweets you're reading.

00:04:52.000 But I'm saying, like, Dubai is a little sketchy.

00:04:55.000 Yeah, we were.

00:04:57.000 The day after the 4KG, I went to the Maldives.

00:05:03.000 I went to Oman before.

00:05:04.000 Oman was a lovely country.

00:05:06.000 Had a great week there and then went to the Maldives.

00:05:09.000 And we were due to fly home.

00:05:10.000 And then all that started happening.

00:05:12.000 And we were meant to fly back through Abu Dhabi.

00:05:14.000 And we got stuck on this island in the Maldives for another five days.

00:05:18.000 Oh, that's, listen, if you're going to get stuck anywhere, if the Maldives is the place.

00:05:21.000 It's pretty nice.

00:05:23.000 But then we were meant to go to Dubai in April.

00:05:26.000 And obviously, because of all that, we had to cancel it and just go to Tenerife.

00:05:30.000 But now we're going.

00:05:32.000 Nothing happens out of there.

00:05:35.000 Damn, it's crazy that you're here and you're going to leave before the UFC.

00:05:40.000 Like, the Madison Square Garden UFCs are special.

00:05:42.000 I've only ever been one when Rose beat Zangwei and Usman for Covington, when Chandler for KG as well.

00:05:51.000 Oh, okay.

00:05:51.000 I've been.

00:05:52.000 I think that was not long after my debut in like 2021.

00:05:56.000 That's the only MSG I've been to.

00:05:58.000 It's a special place.

00:05:59.000 I want to fight there at some point, like, definitely, but I'm going to leave it for now.

00:06:03.000 Taxes are a bit heavier in New York.

00:06:05.000 Yeah, if that happens for the.

00:06:08.000 Oh, it taxes.

00:06:08.000 Is that what happens?

00:06:09.000 You get hit up with big taxes.

00:06:11.000 I get taxed twice, don't I?

00:06:13.000 Oh, that's right.

00:06:14.000 Because I get taxed twice when I go to Canada.

00:06:16.000 Yeah.

00:06:16.000 I get taxed, obviously, in America and then get taxed again when I get back to the UK.

00:06:21.000 Oh, killer.

00:06:23.000 These evil, rotten cunts.

00:06:25.000 Just thieving cunts.

00:06:26.000 Daisy bastards taking the money you've earned.

00:06:29.000 I can't understand how they can do that.

00:06:31.000 How can they tax a man twice?

00:06:34.000 That is so criminal.

00:06:36.000 And they just can.

00:06:36.000 There's nothing you can do about it.

00:06:37.000 Exactly.

00:06:38.000 There's nothing you can do about it.

00:06:40.000 Just stop me.

00:06:41.000 Take me money.

00:06:42.000 Just fuck me.

00:06:43.000 Just got to get on with it.

00:06:44.000 Yeah.

00:06:45.000 Let's go.

00:06:47.000 That's brutal.

00:06:48.000 I didn't even think about it that way.

00:06:49.000 So, you'd much rather fight in the UK, right?

00:06:54.000 Is Vegas okay?

00:06:55.000 I like fighting in Vegas.

00:06:56.000 Do they tax you twice?

00:06:58.000 The taxes are nowhere near as high, are they?

00:07:01.000 I'd love to fight in Abu Dhabi.

00:07:03.000 Yeah.

00:07:04.000 That would be great.

00:07:06.000 Do they have low taxes?

00:07:07.000 I think it's lower next to nothing.

00:07:10.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:11.000 Especially compared to some other places.

00:07:13.000 They don't need your money.

00:07:14.000 They got plenty of money.

00:07:14.000 Yeah.

00:07:18.000 New York is just a massive fucking vacuum cleaner of money.

00:07:23.000 But it's still awesome.

00:07:25.000 There's something about being in Madison Square Garden.

00:07:27.000 I'm a firm believer that buildings have memory.

00:07:31.000 I really think they do.

00:07:32.000 Because there's something about New York, especially Madison Square Garden.

00:07:36.000 You go into that building, you feel the memory of all the things that have happened in that building.

00:07:41.000 That building's a special building.

00:07:43.000 Yeah, no matter what, before I retire, I'm going to make sure to fight the.

00:07:46.000 No matter what.

00:07:47.000 Yeah, you got it.

00:07:48.000 Yeah, I'm going to fight there 1 million percent.

00:07:50.000 You can't not fight there.

00:07:52.000 Out of all the places in the world, I think that's the number one.

00:07:55.000 That's the number one place.

00:07:56.000 Like, if I was a fighter, I would want to fight there.

00:07:58.000 Be number two for me, like.

00:08:00.000 What's number one?

00:08:01.000 Anfield.

00:08:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:03.000 Liverpool Stadium.

00:08:04.000 Yeah.

00:08:05.000 Oh, my God.

00:08:05.000 That would be incredible.

00:08:08.000 That would be next level.

00:08:08.000 Yeah.

00:08:10.000 Oh, you could do it.

00:08:11.000 You could do it.

00:08:12.000 I know I could do it.

00:08:13.000 It's just the UFC doesn't like doing stadiums, and especially with the English weather, I can't.

00:08:17.000 Yeah.

00:08:18.000 I can't blame them.

00:08:19.000 But you know what?

00:08:20.000 If you figure it out and put some kind of roof over the octagon.

00:08:23.000 Yeah, that's all you'd need over the octagon.

00:08:24.000 Yeah.

00:08:25.000 Give everybody umbrellas.

00:08:26.000 No scouts would have cared if it was raining on them.

00:08:28.000 Believe me.

00:08:28.000 No.

00:08:29.000 They'd all be going bananas no matter what.

00:08:31.000 Probably make it better.

00:08:32.000 That'd be more exciting if you want.

00:08:33.000 Give it even more of an option.

00:08:34.000 Give it even more of an option.

00:08:35.000 Give it even more of an option.

00:08:37.000 Yeah, and screaming their heads off.

00:08:38.000 Especially if you did it in the summer where it's not too cold.

00:08:41.000 You know, it's raining.

00:08:42.000 Yeah, June's, you'd have to do like, because the football season's until May.

00:08:46.000 It'll have to be like June, July.

00:08:48.000 Oh, that's totally doable.

00:08:49.000 Yeah.

00:08:51.000 July in Liverpool.

00:08:53.000 Be unbelievable.

00:08:54.000 Woo.

00:08:56.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:08:57.000 So, are you in a holding pattern right now?

00:09:00.000 Where are you at right now in terms of your next matchup?

00:09:04.000 I'm just waiting.

00:09:06.000 The division's in a bit of a mad situation, isn't it?

00:09:09.000 Yes.

00:09:09.000 Obviously, it all depends on what Justin's doing.

00:09:13.000 Well, before Volkanovsky beat Ivloev, there was a lot of talk about Armin.

00:09:21.000 Armin just knocked out Rufi.

00:09:23.000 It was an amazing fight.

00:09:24.000 And then there was talk Armin deserves it.

00:09:27.000 Armin should be fighting Justin.

00:09:28.000 But now I hear Dana talking a lot about Volkanovsky, and Volkanovsky says that's what he wants.

00:09:35.000 If they do that, the one good thing is that's it.

00:09:39.000 Justin's going to retire.

00:09:40.000 Volkanovsky's going to retire.

00:09:41.000 So it opens up two divisions.

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 And your division now, it's basically just you and Armin left and Ilya.

00:09:50.000 You know, those are the three.

00:09:52.000 I think if it all depends on if Charles wins as well, doesn't it?

00:09:57.000 Because if Charles beats Lopez, yes.

00:09:59.000 He's obviously in the mix.

00:10:00.000 That's true.

00:10:01.000 Well, he does still have the BMF title.

00:10:03.000 Yeah.

00:10:04.000 So that's true.

00:10:04.000 He's in the mix as well.

00:10:06.000 But, you know, If all faced Justin, it'd be a great fight.

00:10:10.000 They would.

00:10:11.000 The big money fight is obviously you and Ilya.

00:10:13.000 That's the big money fight.

00:10:14.000 Yeah, it's probably one of the biggest fights the UFC can make.

00:10:17.000 Even without a belt on the line.

00:10:17.000 Yes.

00:10:18.000 Without a doubt.

00:10:20.000 That is bigger than most fights with a belt.

00:10:23.000 Probably is.

00:10:24.000 Yeah.

00:10:25.000 Especially when now you take into consideration Ilya's performance against Justin.

00:10:25.000 Yeah.

00:10:32.000 Well, he looked fantastic for the first couple rounds, but then Justin won and stopped him.

00:10:38.000 And then you managed to.

00:10:41.000 I rewatched that fight last week with you and Justin.

00:10:44.000 It was a very close fight.

00:10:46.000 It was a lot closer than people remember.

00:10:48.000 And when you think about the amount of experience that you gain from a fight like that, and then you come back after that fight, and that fucking choke that you put on Benoit Saint Denis, I've been messing around with that.

00:11:03.000 I have these grappling dummies in my.

00:11:03.000 I've been messing around with that.

00:11:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:11:07.000 Shout out to Uriah Faber.

00:11:08.000 He gave me one.

00:11:09.000 It's a robot.

00:11:10.000 And you choke its neck and its neck lights up.

00:11:12.000 It's got a little light on.

00:11:13.000 I've seen him, yeah.

00:11:13.000 Have you seen that thing?

00:11:14.000 It's pretty cool.

00:11:15.000 But the way you did that and rolled with it, so when you started and then you wrapped your legs around him on the top, and I was thinking the amount of pressure, like from here, are you calling this the padlock or the pad tie?

00:11:30.000 What do you call this?

00:11:31.000 I'm calling that the pad tie.

00:11:32.000 The pad tie.

00:11:32.000 Because what I've done to Jordan Levy, I've already called that the padlock.

00:11:37.000 Okay.

00:11:37.000 So it's like a Peruvian necktie, but the pressure you've got on him.

00:11:43.000 With your leg over the top of his back, as soon as he rolled him and faced down, he was out.

00:11:49.000 Like, that's what I think of seeing.

00:11:50.000 It's like the second fastest DAS in UFC history.

00:11:54.000 It was phenomenal, it was phenomenal.

00:11:55.000 Two seconds slower than the next one, but he's already out there, so it's faster than them.

00:11:59.000 I think it's the fastest.

00:12:00.000 Who called this?

00:12:02.000 It was either Dean Thomas or it might have been Brendan Shaw, but one of my friends called this.

00:12:08.000 They said he's going to shoot on Patty and Patty's going to catch him.

00:12:11.000 I was saying it all week.

00:12:13.000 I said it.

00:12:13.000 I'd done a podcast with DC the week before, the Sunday before, when I started waterloading.

00:12:19.000 And I literally said to him, He's going to come out and he's going to shoot.

00:12:24.000 Because if you watch all his fights, I'm a big thing on studying people and seeing what they do.

00:12:30.000 And we have a lad in our gym, Carl Mountfield.

00:12:33.000 He'll make a breakdown video for us.

00:12:35.000 And look, as soon as he gets it, head kick, shoot.

00:12:38.000 He either goes backhand shoot or head kick shoot.

00:12:40.000 If you watch all of his fights, he does that.

00:12:42.000 And I knew he was going to do it.

00:12:43.000 And I knew he'd try and power out.

00:12:46.000 But I'll be honest, I didn't know if I'd catch that.

00:12:47.000 I thought I'd just get the guillotine right away.

00:12:49.000 But he did.

00:12:50.000 He was strong.

00:12:51.000 He was very strong, BSD.

00:12:51.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:12:52.000 So when he tried to power out of it, I ended up just getting the position.

00:12:56.000 And I've never done that submission before.

00:12:59.000 Never done it.

00:12:59.000 Really?

00:13:00.000 I'd just done it on the fly.

00:13:02.000 You never did it in practice or anything?

00:13:02.000 Really?

00:13:04.000 Oh, that's incredible.

00:13:05.000 Well, you've never really done a Peruvian necktie before.

00:13:08.000 No kidding.

00:13:09.000 And I've done one, me and Paul, we went over it, what, like four weeks out from the fight in the gym.

00:13:14.000 I remember.

00:13:17.000 Because after it, in the cage, after it went pork, and he was like laughing his head off going, the way we'd done that Peruvian necktie the other week.

00:13:24.000 And it just happened.

00:13:26.000 Like, we'd done so much work leading up to that for so many different.

00:13:31.000 Thing like defending on the wall and doing, I've done so much wrestling in the build up to that fight.

00:13:36.000 And he, um, and then forget Paul sitting in the back after it.

00:13:40.000 Paul coming up to me and going, All the work we've done for that because he just dicked around with guillotines for 10 minutes.

00:13:46.000 I just burst out laughing.

00:13:51.000 Is that funny when something plays out that way?

00:13:54.000 Benoit's a hard man.

00:13:55.000 I knew he wouldn't tap.

00:13:56.000 I was saying before, I was saying in interviews and stuff, he'll go unconscious.

00:14:00.000 I knew he wouldn't tap.

00:14:01.000 He's not, he's not like that.

00:14:02.000 Know what I mean?

00:14:03.000 He wouldn't tap, he'd go asleep and.

00:14:05.000 He went out on his shield.

00:14:05.000 He did.

00:14:06.000 Got nothing but respect for him for it.

00:14:08.000 I felt bad for him after it, you know what I mean?

00:14:10.000 Seeing videos of him looking up at the replay, the tears in his eyes.

00:14:14.000 It makes you feel bad, but it's kill or be killed, isn't it?

00:14:18.000 Live by the sword.

00:14:19.000 I mean, that guy's a warrior, like a literal warrior, an actual warrior, you know, like a guy who fights in war.

00:14:25.000 He's a hard man.

00:14:26.000 Yeah, he is.

00:14:27.000 He's not going to tap.

00:14:28.000 No, definitely not.

00:14:29.000 He said that from the get go.

00:14:30.000 He's done it to people.

00:14:32.000 He'll do it to someone again, I'm sure.

00:14:34.000 Well, isn't this fight a very good fight?

00:14:36.000 He's fighting Salka, didn't he?

00:14:39.000 Oh, I think that's a very good fight.

00:14:41.000 Sal Guild is a bad motherfucker.

00:14:43.000 He is.

00:14:43.000 I like watching him fight.

00:14:44.000 He's good.

00:14:46.000 Yeah.

00:14:46.000 He's exceptional.

00:14:47.000 Yeah, he's exceptional.

00:14:48.000 Boy, that division is on fire right now.

00:14:50.000 Yeah, it is.

00:14:51.000 It's interesting how that happens.

00:14:52.000 Like, divisions have lulls and then great periods, where it seems like right now is one of the greatest periods of all time for the 155 pound division.

00:15:01.000 You know, I think it's always been, like, the most watched and most exciting division.

00:15:04.000 Like, I think it always has.

00:15:06.000 I just think it's because of, like, the weight we are.

00:15:08.000 Like, It's more like the average human person, isn't it?

00:15:12.000 There's more.

00:15:13.000 Yeah, there's more.

00:15:14.000 More elite athletes.

00:15:15.000 And then you think about it, more people that are coming from kickboxing and wrestling.

00:15:19.000 But there's a lot more kickboxers and wrestlers that are roughly in that weight class.

00:15:24.000 So you get these elite athletes from these other sports that enter into MMA.

00:15:29.000 It's a phenomenal weight class, especially right now.

00:15:32.000 Yeah, when I first started watching MMA, it was like BJ Penn.

00:15:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:37.000 And Diego Sanchez and that.

00:15:39.000 What year did you first start training?

00:15:42.000 2010.

00:15:43.000 2010.

00:15:44.000 That's wild.

00:15:46.000 16 years.

00:15:47.000 Wow.

00:15:47.000 More than half my life now.

00:15:49.000 Wow.

00:15:51.000 What was your first discipline?

00:15:54.000 MMA.

00:15:54.000 Just right into MMA?

00:15:55.000 No kidding.

00:15:56.000 The gym I still train at now is the same gym I walked into.

00:15:59.000 That's incredible because your jujitsu is so good.

00:16:02.000 I assumed that you had a jujitsu class at first.

00:16:04.000 That was the one thing I took to straight away: jujitsu.

00:16:09.000 The first class I ever walked into was a kid's class, and I've never done anything before.

00:16:13.000 I can remember rapping a guillotine on someone, and the two lads who were the coach in the class went, You know what I mean?

00:16:19.000 It was like, He's doing a guillotine there.

00:16:21.000 He's never even been shown one.

00:16:22.000 But that was just off watching it on the telly.

00:16:25.000 It's amazing how much you learn watching on TV.

00:16:27.000 It really is.

00:16:28.000 That was like, I started doing stuff just off watching things.

00:16:32.000 And then obviously I started training.

00:16:34.000 And as soon as I started training, I was like, this is what I want to do.

00:16:37.000 Wow.

00:16:38.000 Right away.

00:16:39.000 Yeah.

00:16:40.000 It's amazing that there's such a wealth of gyms across the world now that we're seeing people from everywhere.

00:16:49.000 We're seeing people from all corners of the world that come into the UFC already with elite skills.

00:16:56.000 It is like, I remember seeing a thing the other day, like about 10 years ago.

00:17:01.000 There was only like all the champions were from like either Russia, Brazil, or America.

00:17:07.000 And now they're just everywhere.

00:17:10.000 Like Australia is big in the MMA world now.

00:17:10.000 Everywhere.

00:17:13.000 Obviously, the UK, we've had a few champions.

00:17:16.000 Well, when Ilya came out of Spain, that was the first guy that we'd ever seen from Spain that was at that level.

00:17:21.000 We were like, whoa, what's going on over here?

00:17:24.000 It's fascinating, you know, because I say it all the time, but it really is true.

00:17:29.000 Martial arts have evolved more in the last 33 years since the UFC emerged.

00:17:34.000 Than it has in the last 33,000 years.

00:17:37.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:17:38.000 100%.

00:17:39.000 Like, that's what I always say with our sports.

00:17:41.000 Like, when I first started watching it, you could just be a world class kickboxer or a world class wrestler or a world class jujitsu practitioner.

00:17:51.000 You didn't have to be good at anything else.

00:17:52.000 Right.

00:17:53.000 You could be one dimensional and still become a world champion.

00:17:56.000 Now you can't.

00:17:58.000 You have to be well rounded or you will get beat.

00:18:01.000 100%.

00:18:02.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:18:04.000 This is a different world.

00:18:06.000 There's the levels to it.

00:18:07.000 I think.

00:18:08.000 The new thing is going to be you have to be able to switch stances.

00:18:12.000 I think that's the new thing.

00:18:14.000 I like switching stances, to be honest, so it works for me.

00:18:17.000 Yeah, it's so important.

00:18:18.000 It really is.

00:18:19.000 Because when you face an elite calf kicker, like I was watching some sparring footage online of Volkanovsky was sparring Nico Carrillo, you know, that guy from one elite kickboxer.

00:18:32.000 Do you know him?

00:18:33.000 I don't know if I was talking about him with Graham about two hours ago.

00:18:36.000 Motherfucker.

00:18:37.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

00:18:38.000 Weird the way you just mentioned him, was literally talking about him like two hours ago.

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00:19:57.000 He is a bad man.

00:19:58.000 He's a bad man.

00:19:59.000 And I was watching some of this guy was breaking it down.

00:20:02.000 I wish I could remember the gentleman's name, but he was breaking it down.

00:20:04.000 It might have been Jack Slack, but he was breaking it down and it was just showing all the ways that he's setting up calf kicks and setting up positions and just breaking down all those things.

00:20:16.000 And if you get a guy who is a really good calf kicker and you are only orthodox and that's all you can do and you get that left calf smoked, it's.

00:20:27.000 You're fucked.

00:20:28.000 It's so crazy how that one thing sort of changed the whole game.

00:20:33.000 If you get your calf smoked now, it's not like a leg kick.

00:20:37.000 Like a thigh kick?

00:20:38.000 Yeah, it hurts like hell.

00:20:39.000 But guys can survive that and still perform at a pretty high level.

00:20:43.000 It's mad how that just started happening.

00:20:45.000 Like, who was the first person to throw a calf kick?

00:20:48.000 I thought that it was Benson Henderson, but then someone said that it might have been Cub Swanson.

00:20:56.000 That Cub Swanson might have been the first guy that started hurting people.

00:20:59.000 Obviously, no one done it.

00:21:01.000 Years ago, it's come in like the last five or six years.

00:21:03.000 Not only that, but the Muay Thai guys used to say that that won't work in Muay Thai.

00:21:09.000 That that is only good for MMA because MMA guys aren't good at checking kicks and not good at like staying in line.

00:21:15.000 That's not true anymore because now Yuki Yoza, do you know who that guy is?

00:21:19.000 Yuki Yoza is a bad motherfucker.

00:21:19.000 No.

00:21:21.000 This Japanese cat that just destroys people's legs.

00:21:25.000 He's a Kyokushin guy.

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:27.000 And he, every combination is chopping at your calves.

00:21:32.000 Throwing punches inside low kick, outside low kick.

00:21:32.000 Inside.

00:21:37.000 It's constantly, every combination is ending with a calf kick or a low kick.

00:21:40.000 And you're seeing these tie guys who have 115 fights and their fucking legs are smoked like halfway into the first round.

00:21:48.000 And that's the thing with a car kick as well.

00:21:50.000 You can be in very close range and still land it.

00:21:52.000 Yes, exactly.

00:21:53.000 I mean, like with one on the thigh, you've got to be out a little bit and use your range.

00:21:57.000 I like throwing them from range, though, to be honest.

00:21:59.000 I like using my range when I.

00:22:00.000 We did a fantastic job against Bobby.

00:22:03.000 Bobby Green, you neutralized him within the first.

00:22:03.000 Yeah.

00:22:07.000 Couple minutes or first minute or so of the fight, just with those kicks, yeah.

00:22:10.000 With that one, I think I like obviously Bobby's got phenomenal boxing, you know what I mean?

00:22:16.000 His combos and his timing and his speed are brilliant.

00:22:19.000 So, with that, it was when you're on the feet, use your range.

00:22:22.000 I knew I was bigger than him, yeah.

00:22:24.000 Try and kick him, teeps, calf kicks, head kicks, keep him on the end of your range, and it worked perfect.

00:22:31.000 I don't think I even got punched in that fight.

00:22:33.000 Well, you, you knew, like I said, you neutralized him pretty quickly, you up his movement pretty quickly, and he's got such a weird style.

00:22:33.000 No, you did.

00:22:41.000 Because when his hands are down, you don't know where anything's coming from.

00:22:44.000 It just comes from all mad angles.

00:22:45.000 And he's talking shit to you.

00:22:47.000 Everyone thought that he shot in in that fight as well when he never had kicked his leg and his leg came out.

00:22:52.000 And it was either for him, it was either try and grab my leg and get on top or go on all fours and me take you back.

00:22:52.000 Right.

00:22:58.000 So he was stuck between a rock and a hard place, really.

00:23:02.000 Yeah, it's amazing to me that your jujitsu is that good and you didn't just start with jujitsu.

00:23:07.000 Because generally, when someone's that good on the ground, I assume that they had a big competitive jujitsu career first.

00:23:14.000 And then got into.

00:23:15.000 That was the first things I'd done.

00:23:17.000 I'd done, obviously, because I started when I was 15.

00:23:20.000 I'd done a couple of grappling tournaments first.

00:23:23.000 They were the first things I'd done.

00:23:26.000 I can remember winning a couple of kids' divisions.

00:23:28.000 But then when I turned 16, like two months after my 16th birthday, I had my first fight.

00:23:36.000 It took around like a week's notice for the lad who was 24 when I was 16.

00:23:40.000 And our rules back then were knees to the head.

00:23:40.000 Wow.

00:23:44.000 The only real change was no elbows.

00:23:47.000 Knees to the head on the ground?

00:23:47.000 That was the amateur wheels back then.

00:23:49.000 No, knees to the head standard.

00:23:50.000 No knees to the head standard.

00:23:51.000 Grand and pound, knees to the head, standing.

00:23:54.000 It was just no twist and leg locks.

00:23:56.000 They were the only thing, no elbows, no twist and leg locks.

00:23:58.000 No heel hooks then?

00:23:59.000 Yeah.

00:24:00.000 But you could do a knee bar?

00:24:01.000 You could do a knee bar and straight ankles and stuff.

00:24:03.000 But they were the only, that was the only real change.

00:24:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:06.000 And took that on a week's notice and won that by decision.

00:24:10.000 And I remember getting my hand raised and just being like, this is the best feeling in the world.

00:24:15.000 This is what I'm going to do.

00:24:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:18.000 I just knew from that point on.

00:24:19.000 That's amazing.

00:24:21.000 Well, England has an amazing scene.

00:24:23.000 This is an amazing scene in England.

00:24:25.000 You want to see some kids in our gym, mod?

00:24:26.000 Yeah.

00:24:27.000 We've got kids in our gym who are like six, seven, eight, who are then every night doing jujitsu and doing MMA.

00:24:34.000 And then now we've got a load of youngsters who train with the pro team of a morning who are like 14, 15, 16, 17.

00:24:41.000 They're all like IMAF World and European champions.

00:24:46.000 Wow.

00:24:47.000 They've already had like 15, 20 fights, some of them under the bar 17.

00:24:51.000 That's incredible.

00:24:52.000 It's madness.

00:24:54.000 I'm a big fan of Cage Warriors.

00:24:56.000 Yeah, Cage Warriors, as I always say, is the best show in Europe by a mile.

00:25:00.000 Yeah, it's an amazing event.

00:25:02.000 And if you want to get in the UFC and you're in Europe, you need to sign up for Cage Warriors.

00:25:07.000 Yeah.

00:25:08.000 I've got most of my teammates fight on Cage Warriors.

00:25:11.000 They're doing Friday night, Saturday night show at the end of the month, 27 28, in Manchester.

00:25:19.000 And across the two nights, we'll probably have about 10 to 12 pros on it.

00:25:23.000 That's on UFC Fight Pass, right?

00:25:25.000 Yeah, yeah, it's on Fight Pass.

00:25:26.000 Yeah, I always encourage anybody, if you're a fight fan, get UFC Bypass.

00:25:29.000 And if you want to watch who's coming up, Cage Warriors, the level of the top guys is UFC level.

00:25:36.000 Yeah, it is.

00:25:37.000 100%.

00:25:39.000 And on that, that's the big difference I say with Cage Warriors and other shows in Europe and obviously around the world.

00:25:46.000 People get to 10, 11, 12, and 0, but they're fighting taxi zabbers, they're fighting absolute crabs who don't deserve to be in the cage.

00:25:54.000 Where Cage Warriors.

00:25:57.000 You don't fight people like that.

00:25:58.000 No.

00:25:59.000 You get it every single fighter test.

00:26:01.000 Like, I lost more fights in cage warriors than I've lost in the UFC.

00:26:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:05.000 I know I was younger and I was coming up, but I got tested just as much in cage warriors as I have in the UFC.

00:26:10.000 And that's the same with all my teammates now.

00:26:12.000 There's a load of my teammates who are on cage warriors who are going to be in the UFC.

00:26:16.000 Like, Nathan Fletch has already been in the UFC.

00:26:19.000 He got cut, but he got one of his fights.

00:26:21.000 He got robbed on a decision.

00:26:22.000 I know he'll be back.

00:26:23.000 Adam Cullen, who's my weight class, he'll be in the UFC.

00:26:26.000 Connor Wilson, who's a flyweight, he'll be in the UFC.

00:26:29.000 Joe Fields.

00:26:32.000 Lonnie Cavanaugh.

00:26:33.000 Lonnie Cavanaugh is London.

00:26:34.000 But he was Cage Warriors as well, champ.

00:26:36.000 If you look at all the fighters who have come from Cage Warriors to the UFC, most of them, 80% of them, stay signed to keep fighting.

00:26:46.000 Christian Leroy Duncan, Lonnie, me, Luke Riley, Modestus.

00:26:54.000 There's a load more, though.

00:26:55.000 My mind's just gone blank.

00:26:57.000 But there's a load more there.

00:26:58.000 Obviously, Aspinall had a fight on Cage Warriors as well.

00:27:01.000 But if you compare that with other shows in the UK and Europe, most of them people are having one or two fights and getting cut.

00:27:08.000 At the top, it's UFC level.

00:27:10.000 Yeah.

00:27:10.000 I mean, there's so many guys there that are just, you watch them fight and you're like, those are legit elite skills.

00:27:17.000 That's very important.

00:27:18.000 And to have a place like that in England where you guys have UFC level competition and then you're already used to fighting guys that have elite skills.

00:27:29.000 And so, as you said, you entered the UFC, it's not a big shock in terms of the skill level.

00:27:34.000 They're actually doing.

00:27:35.000 Cage Roddy in Spain next year.

00:27:36.000 Oh, wow.

00:27:37.000 Yeah.

00:27:37.000 There's a lad who, he was main event the other night.

00:27:40.000 I'm terrible with names.

00:27:41.000 Well, he comes and trains us.

00:27:42.000 His name's Mo, but he was main event on Cage Roddy's the other night.

00:27:45.000 If you could get his name up.

00:27:47.000 I just call him Molo because he comes to the gym, he spars with me, he trains with me.

00:27:52.000 And he's Spanish, I think he's like 9 1 or something like that.

00:27:56.000 And he's a good lad.

00:27:57.000 He's a welterweight.

00:27:58.000 And I think he'll end up winning KJ's belt and getting signed.

00:28:03.000 It's funny because he trains with us, everyone always asks him, Oh, Ilya Paddy, Ilya Paddy.

00:28:06.000 And he's like, That's a rock and a hard place for him.

00:28:14.000 How did this feud with you and Ilya start?

00:28:18.000 It started because of that.

00:28:20.000 What was the fighter who got cut?

00:28:22.000 The Georgian.

00:28:23.000 Giga.

00:28:25.000 Giga Jakadze.

00:28:26.000 It started because of him.

00:28:27.000 He just tweeted something when I first got signed.

00:28:31.000 And obviously, I tweeted back.

00:28:32.000 I was only, what, how old was I?

00:28:33.000 I was very, very young and immature then.

00:28:36.000 I was 26, but I was about 16 in the head.

00:28:40.000 And I was 24, I was 26.

00:28:41.000 And I started having murder with him.

00:28:43.000 And I said, You look like a fake Russian.

00:28:47.000 A fake Russian?

00:28:48.000 Yeah, because he had the beard and no hair.

00:28:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:28:52.000 He looked like a Dagestani.

00:28:54.000 And he took proper offence to it.

00:28:55.000 And I was like, oh, this Russian shout's working.

00:28:59.000 And I said, shut up, just because you get terrorised by Russians.

00:29:02.000 And then I went to bed.

00:29:03.000 And I woke up the next morning to the most hate mail I've ever had in my life.

00:29:07.000 I was like, what's going on here?

00:29:09.000 That's what he said.

00:29:12.000 And then people are saying that I'm talking about a war.

00:29:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:16.000 Like Anilia still says to this day, he talks about kids getting bombed.

00:29:20.000 Lad, we don't get taught in our schools about Georgia and Russia going to war, you know.

00:29:24.000 Right.

00:29:25.000 I had no idea that he'd had a war, no idea in the slightest.

00:29:28.000 And he still says to this day that that's what I was talking about.

00:29:32.000 In Liverpool, like, if someone's bullying someone, we'll say, oh, you're getting terrorized there.

00:29:38.000 Right.

00:29:39.000 The word terrorized in Liverpool has nothing to do with war.

00:29:42.000 It's just like, oh, you're getting the pissed off out of you there.

00:29:45.000 Right.

00:29:46.000 And I was just taking the piss out of him.

00:29:48.000 Also, because you say terrorized.

00:29:50.000 And you were talking about Russia and you're talking about Georgia.

00:29:53.000 I think they just assumed.

00:29:55.000 I was told, when I didn't know that they'd be into war.

00:29:57.000 Oh, wow.

00:29:58.000 In fact, it wasn't Giga.

00:29:59.000 If I'm a lion, Giga, it was Sam that spoke to Giga.

00:30:01.000 It was Goodam.

00:30:04.000 Goodam cut a lad's eye.

00:30:05.000 Oh.

00:30:06.000 Okay.

00:30:06.000 It was him.

00:30:06.000 Yeah, because Giga's been cut.

00:30:08.000 But it was like, I ended up speaking to Giga about it at a UFC show and he was cool about it.

00:30:13.000 I said to him, lad, I didn't have no idea.

00:30:15.000 And he's like, I understand.

00:30:16.000 A lot of people didn't know.

00:30:17.000 Giga was so cool about it.

00:30:20.000 And I was thinking, why wasn't Ilya like that?

00:30:23.000 But the way I look at it now, Ilya used my profile to get himself bigger.

00:30:28.000 Because at the time, no one knew who the fuck Ilya Taporia was.

00:30:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:33.000 He was taking fights at lightweight against Jai Herbert when, if you want to be featherweight champion, you don't do that.

00:30:39.000 Well, he took that just as a short notice.

00:30:40.000 That's what I mean.

00:30:41.000 Yeah.

00:30:42.000 And he'd done that probably just to be in the same place as me and try and start on me.

00:30:47.000 Don't you think he just took it because it was a good fight and they offered him money and he wants to be active?

00:30:52.000 Definitely not.

00:30:52.000 You really think it had to do with you?

00:30:54.000 Really, all to do with me.

00:30:56.000 People are gonna call me a big headed cunt and all laugh at him.

00:30:59.000 Not asked, he got on that show because he knew I was like the main thing on that show and he wanted to be there and bump into me.

00:31:05.000 The funniest thing about that, when we bumped into each other, I just went, I'm gonna go and warm my eggs up, boys.

00:31:10.000 And like Ellis and that were like, Wait there, I will come now.

00:31:12.000 I was like, No, I'm saying that, I'll just go and warm my eggs up.

00:31:14.000 In London, went downstairs to the thing, warm the eggs up.

00:31:16.000 Yeah, what does that mean?

00:31:18.000 Put my eggs in the microwave.

00:31:19.000 Okay, I thought there was like a term.

00:31:21.000 No, no, just going to warm my eggs.

00:31:22.000 Put my eggs in the microwave.

00:31:24.000 So, as I've put the eggs in the microwave.

00:31:27.000 As I've popped it open, got it out, went to eat it, and as I went to turn around and walk away, Ilya's just come out of this double set of doors with about 14 people.

00:31:37.000 And I'm just like, and he looked right at me, and I'm thinking, is this going to go off of you?

00:31:43.000 So I've just put my eggs down, and it's been like the table wasn't this big, but it was about half the size.

00:31:48.000 And he's come over and said so.

00:31:49.000 And I've said, just went, What, lad?

00:31:51.000 What are you going to do?

00:31:52.000 And he's half swung at me.

00:31:54.000 So I've just moved out the way.

00:31:55.000 There was an hand sanitizer bottle there.

00:31:57.000 I picked it up, threw it at him.

00:31:58.000 And then, like, the table got pushed.

00:32:00.000 We were all like that.

00:32:03.000 It was funny, though, because one of, I don't know if it was his manager or someone tried to, like, run around the side of the table.

00:32:07.000 And I went like that to him.

00:32:09.000 And he's just went, I'm going back.

00:32:11.000 But someone grabbed him.

00:32:12.000 We're all got thingy over shouting at each other.

00:32:14.000 And I can remember my teammates after it being like, Lad, are you messing?

00:32:17.000 Why did you go downstairs on your own?

00:32:19.000 And I'm like, Lad, I didn't know that was going to happen.

00:32:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:22.000 But it's a good job the rest of my teammates weren't there because it would have been a full scale brawl in the hotel.

00:32:27.000 It ended up working out better that way that I was on my own because no one actually got hit.

00:32:31.000 Right.

00:32:32.000 Nothing ended up actually happening.

00:32:33.000 I just threw the hand sanitizer at him because he threw a punch at me, but where he's only little with short arms, he missed.

00:32:33.000 Right.

00:32:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:40.000 So was there words?

00:32:41.000 Did he tell you I'm pissed off because you can.

00:32:45.000 No.

00:32:46.000 Well, he'd said he'd put a tweet before it.

00:32:48.000 But as I say, When all that tweeting shit was getting done, I'm just tweeting back to people.

00:32:52.000 Know what I mean?

00:32:53.000 I'm not even, I didn't even know who the fuck Elia Taporia was.

00:32:55.000 Really?

00:32:56.000 Yeah, how the fuck am I meant to know who he is?

00:32:57.000 He's just some little dickhead.

00:32:58.000 I don't know who he is, lad.

00:33:01.000 No one even knew who he was.

00:33:03.000 And it just went from there.

00:33:05.000 Know what I mean?

00:33:06.000 Right.

00:33:06.000 And then I think the next time we seen each other was the next when the press conference, when I fought Gordon and he fought Bryce that night.

00:33:16.000 I believe so.

00:33:18.000 Yeah, I think that was the next time we seen each other.

00:33:22.000 But then I was out for a year then because I got injured in the Gordon fight.

00:33:25.000 I was out for a year and gave him his due.

00:33:27.000 He built up fast.

00:33:29.000 But as I said, I don't think he would have been built up that fast if he didn't use my name for clout.

00:33:34.000 Right.

00:33:35.000 Well, that's where we disagree.

00:33:38.000 Yeah, no, respectfully disagree.

00:33:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:41.000 At the end of the day, using the name is one thing, but that guy has.

00:33:46.000 How old is he?

00:33:47.000 I respect his skill set.

00:33:47.000 His skill set.

00:33:49.000 He's elite.

00:33:49.000 He is.

00:33:50.000 His skill set is brilliant.

00:33:51.000 I respect him as a fighter.

00:33:51.000 I do.

00:33:53.000 I just don't respect him as a person.

00:33:55.000 Well, I think Georgians are very proud people.

00:33:58.000 That's what I mean, though.

00:33:59.000 Is he Georgian?

00:34:00.000 Is he Spanish?

00:34:01.000 Is he German?

00:34:02.000 He's probably a little bit of all those.

00:34:03.000 That's what I mean.

00:34:04.000 Pick one, lad.

00:34:05.000 You can't be all three.

00:34:08.000 Pick one.

00:34:09.000 Can't be all three, lad.

00:34:10.000 Are you Georgian?

00:34:11.000 Or are you German?

00:34:11.000 Are you Spanish?

00:34:12.000 Because I reckon you've got a German passport because you were born in Germany.

00:34:15.000 Right.

00:34:16.000 So stop trying to get a fan base from three different countries.

00:34:19.000 Well, he's Georgian descent, right?

00:34:22.000 Yeah, his family are Georgian.

00:34:23.000 Yeah, I think you're Georgian forever.

00:34:26.000 If you're George, why does he walk out with a Spain flag then?

00:34:28.000 Well, I think he likes to be living in Spain.

00:34:30.000 Oh, he just wants more fans.

00:34:32.000 You think that's it?

00:34:32.000 Yeah.

00:34:33.000 Really?

00:34:33.000 I've heard everyone in Spain's turning on him anyway.

00:34:35.000 Everyone in Spain's saying that?

00:34:37.000 Everyone thinks he's a fucking fake cunt.

00:34:40.000 Oh, come on, really?

00:34:41.000 No, I have.

00:34:41.000 As I say, I know people in Spain.

00:34:44.000 People are meant to be turning on him in Spain.

00:34:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:47.000 Now, was this before he lost to Justin or now?

00:34:51.000 There were little ruffles of it before he lost to Justin, but then obviously it's went worse since he lost to Justin.

00:34:55.000 Once you lose.

00:34:56.000 That's all the pussy's going off the bandwagon.

00:34:58.000 All the pussy's going off the bandwagon.

00:35:00.000 They want to tear you down even further.

00:35:03.000 Yeah, always.

00:35:05.000 It'll be heavy if I fight him and he loses again, then he won't have any fans left.

00:35:05.000 You can always see that.

00:35:12.000 Well, that is the fight that has to be made.

00:35:16.000 It does have to happen.

00:35:17.000 It's been years in the making.

00:35:18.000 It's an exciting fight, skill wise.

00:35:21.000 It's a very exciting fight.

00:35:23.000 I love them kind of fights because I get counted out in them type of fights, and they're the fights I like.

00:35:28.000 Only me and my people don't think I'll win.

00:35:30.000 Well, if anybody looks at your performance with Justin and his fight with Justin, and then you beating Benoit that way, I don't know how anybody can count you out in any fight.

00:35:40.000 Like with anybody in the 155 pound division, you're a nightmare.

00:35:44.000 I am aware, though.

00:35:45.000 I always say that.

00:35:46.000 You can't really train to fight me because I'm so strange.

00:35:50.000 It's a very unusual style, but it's pretty fucking effective.

00:35:53.000 The other thing that you fuck people up with, I think people have caught on now, but for a while, you were so jolly and having so much fun and dancing and all that stuff that people didn't take you seriously.

00:36:06.000 But I was saying to a friend of mine, I said, This is what I want you to watch.

00:36:10.000 I want you to watch his ring entrance and then watch his eyes.

00:36:14.000 Once he gets inside the octagon, watch the switch.

00:36:17.000 I go, because there's a switch, and here it is.

00:36:20.000 And we're watching.

00:36:21.000 I said, See that?

00:36:22.000 I go, When you were staring down, fuck, who was it you were fighting?

00:36:27.000 It might have been, it was either Justin or Benoit.

00:36:30.000 But like, there's this switch that happens.

00:36:33.000 You're all jolly, you're doing your dance, and the whole crowd's dancing with you.

00:36:36.000 And then when you get in, you change.

00:36:39.000 Yeah, that's something that I say to myself.

00:36:42.000 When I'm walking out, I'm having the time of my life.

00:36:45.000 I want to be in all the crowds, dancing with you, singing with you.

00:36:45.000 I love it.

00:36:49.000 There's no, the only better feeling than that is when you get your hand raised at the end.

00:36:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:53.000 But when you get in there and then your opponent gets in there, that's it.

00:36:58.000 That's gone then.

00:36:59.000 It's all about him.

00:37:00.000 The way I look at it when I get in the octagon is there's only two people in the world what matter, and it's him because he's trying to kill me and the ref because he decides when this fight's finished.

00:37:10.000 No one else on the entire earth of seven, eight billion people matters.

00:37:14.000 It's only him and the fella who's going to decide whether the fight's finished.

00:37:18.000 No one else matters.

00:37:19.000 So you need to keep your eyes on him and he's not going to try and hit you.

00:37:22.000 So your eyes need to.

00:37:23.000 Stay firmly focused on him.

00:37:27.000 When did you develop that ability to be loose and silly, but then super serious once you get in?

00:37:33.000 Was that something you always had?

00:37:34.000 I think that's something I've always had, to be honest.

00:37:36.000 Well, when I was younger, I had like nine amateur fights, went nine and no amateur, and then I was four and no pro, and then I lost my first fight, four and one.

00:37:47.000 All them first 14 fights, I always walked out of rap music, and then when I lost, I switched it up to dance music.

00:37:56.000 Because I used to love partying and going out all the time, you know what I mean?

00:38:00.000 And that was the sort of music I listened to.

00:38:03.000 And a couple of fights, I had a couple of different songs.

00:38:07.000 And then I think it was when I got to like eight and one or something.

00:38:12.000 That song, I got someone to make that song for me.

00:38:14.000 I walk out to it, it's two different songs made into one.

00:38:17.000 And I don't think I'll ever change it now.

00:38:21.000 That's it.

00:38:21.000 No, it's iconic now.

00:38:23.000 It's like there's certain things like when Frankie Edgar used to come out to Biggie.

00:38:27.000 There's certain things.

00:38:27.000 Yeah.

00:38:29.000 It just seems wrong.

00:38:30.000 Or when Uriah Faber, he would come out to California.

00:38:32.000 Yeah.

00:38:34.000 It's like, once, that's like who you are.

00:38:37.000 I understand.

00:38:38.000 That's what I mean.

00:38:40.000 Yeah.

00:38:41.000 Do you know the story of Rory McDonald?

00:38:44.000 Nah.

00:38:45.000 What one?

00:38:46.000 I've heard stories about Rory, but.

00:38:47.000 This is the great story.

00:38:49.000 Rory McDonald used to have the weirdest fucking walkout music.

00:38:52.000 And you could see, like, the look on his face when he's walking out.

00:38:54.000 Like, what the fuck kind of music is this?

00:38:57.000 And everybody was like, God, Rory's got such weird taste in music.

00:39:00.000 Well, it turns out, Rory had changed his phone number.

00:39:04.000 And the UFC had his old phone numbers.

00:39:07.000 And so the guy who got Rory's new phone number turned out to be a fan.

00:39:13.000 And so I think it was Joe Silva or whoever it was from the UFC was texting this fucking guy and saying, What do you want your walkout music to be?

00:39:22.000 And he was coming out with all these crazy songs.

00:39:24.000 I actually love it.

00:39:27.000 And then eventually they brought it up to Rory.

00:39:29.000 He's like, That's not my number.

00:39:31.000 He's like, Nobody's been asking me at all.

00:39:33.000 Rory's such a psycho.

00:39:35.000 He never said, I need this music.

00:39:37.000 He doesn't give a fuck.

00:39:38.000 That's sick.

00:39:39.000 That is sick.

00:39:39.000 So funny.

00:39:40.000 I mean, I think the guy did it for like four fights.

00:39:43.000 How many fights did that guy pull that off for?

00:39:46.000 It is one of the funniest things.

00:39:49.000 It's very funny because you know, you got to imagine this guy being a UFC fan and then he realizes, Holy fuck, I got Rory McDonald's old number.

00:39:59.000 And then he manages to keep it.

00:40:01.000 He doesn't say, Hey, this isn't Rory, this is Bob.

00:40:04.000 You know, can I get tickets?

00:40:05.000 No, no, no, this guy pretends he's Rory.

00:40:08.000 Oh, shit.

00:40:09.000 I mean, I got a list of the songs.

00:40:12.000 I don't know exactly when it started, but it's on a Reddit thread.

00:40:15.000 There were different songs we had here and what happened.

00:40:17.000 Can't touch this, MC Hammer.

00:40:18.000 That's definitely where Roddy McDonald got one.

00:40:21.000 I wonder when it changed.

00:40:24.000 I was looking for the exact moment it changed.

00:40:25.000 It could be all of them for all.

00:40:27.000 I don't know.

00:40:27.000 This is a 10 year old thread.

00:40:30.000 I wonder.

00:40:31.000 Shout out to that legend.

00:40:32.000 Whoever that man is, who is the guy?

00:40:35.000 I've had it with.

00:40:36.000 No, here either.

00:40:37.000 Look at this.

00:40:39.000 A random person who inherited his phone number selected.

00:40:42.000 That is such a great fucking story.

00:40:44.000 I've had it when one of my last amateur fights, we were fighting basically on like a rival gym show, and I was fighting someone from the rival gym.

00:40:53.000 And they changed my walkout song.

00:40:55.000 To what?

00:40:58.000 I was going to come out to Eminem, go to sleep, and they changed it to like Sandstorm or something like that.

00:41:05.000 And I was kind of stood in the back, like, what's going on here?

00:41:08.000 And my coach, Paul, was like, they've done that on purpose.

00:41:11.000 Don't worry about it.

00:41:11.000 They've changed the song.

00:41:12.000 Just go out and win.

00:41:13.000 And I did.

00:41:15.000 Well, there's always going to be people fucking with you.

00:41:17.000 Especially the psychological aspect of MMA is such a huge factor.

00:41:23.000 Because when people genuinely hate each other and they're thinking about their opponent all day long, no matter what they do, first of all, they're going to train harder.

00:41:30.000 They get more hyped.

00:41:31.000 But then they're also going to have more anxiety when they actually get to that moment for a lot of people.

00:41:37.000 I think that's a perfect example of Ronaldo against McGregor.

00:41:37.000 You know?

00:41:37.000 Yeah.

00:41:41.000 Yes.

00:41:42.000 Yeah.

00:41:43.000 Jose Aldo was.

00:41:45.000 So out of pocket by the time he got into the cage, he was so emotional.

00:41:50.000 And so, before, if you look at all those other fights, look at his fights like Chad Mendez, like an assassin.

00:41:58.000 But Connor is the best at that.

00:42:01.000 He gets into your fucking skin, he wears it.

00:42:04.000 That's why I think it's inside your head.

00:42:06.000 Brilliance of height on a season of the ultimate fight with Ilya.

00:42:09.000 That would be marvelous, you know.

00:42:13.000 I've heard talk about that online, but has anybody actually suggested that to you?

00:42:17.000 No, someone, it was when I was a When I was in Vegas for George's contender series fights, George Staines, I just got, I think the Ultimate Fighter finale was that weekend.

00:42:28.000 And they just asked me, like, what's your favourite season of the Ultimate Fighter and that.

00:42:31.000 And my favourite season, Rampage with Shard.

00:42:35.000 Ooh, yeah.

00:42:36.000 When I first started watching MMA.

00:42:38.000 You a bitch.

00:42:38.000 Call me a bitch.

00:42:38.000 Yeah.

00:42:39.000 Call me a bitch.

00:42:40.000 Make me a bitch.

00:42:42.000 That was the season what was on as I first got into MMA.

00:42:45.000 That season and season four with Nate Diaz, that was when I told my mum I was watching MMA, my mum and dad, that was the first.

00:42:52.000 MMA DVD they bought me season four of the Ultimate Fighter.

00:42:56.000 Wow, was that season five?

00:42:58.000 Yeah, season four was Matt Satter.

00:42:59.000 How many seasons are there?

00:43:02.000 There's about 30 or something now.

00:43:03.000 Like, but the first DVD I got bought was the Nate Diaz season where he beat Manny Gambladion in the final.

00:43:10.000 Do you know the story about Nate going to uh, he won like 1500 bucks or 15,000 bucks and he went to a car dealership, he had no idea how much cars cost, and he was like, Can't even get a car.

00:43:25.000 But they just said, like, what's your favourite season then?

00:43:27.000 And they said, I think Rampage Rashad.

00:43:29.000 And I was like, you need to get back to that.

00:43:31.000 Like, now, obviously, I haven't watched one for three years.

00:43:35.000 But, like, when it's like Chale and DC and Bisbin and DC, they're not going to fight each other.

00:43:40.000 No one's that.

00:43:41.000 Chale and Vandalay was a good one.

00:43:42.000 Yeah, that's what I mean.

00:43:43.000 Two people who hate each other are going to fight each other.

00:43:46.000 Yeah.

00:43:46.000 You need ones like that.

00:43:47.000 Like, even I remember Bisbin and Mayhem Miller.

00:43:49.000 That was a good season.

00:43:50.000 That was a great season.

00:43:52.000 I remember watching that one last.

00:43:53.000 That was a good season.

00:43:54.000 Chuck and Tito, even though Tito didn't end up fighting, ended up being Rich Franklin.

00:43:57.000 Connor and Michael Chandler.

00:44:00.000 I didn't even watch that one.

00:44:00.000 Oh, it was a good one.

00:44:01.000 Yeah, but they didn't end up fighting.

00:44:05.000 They didn't end up fighting.

00:44:06.000 It's a fucking travesty.

00:44:07.000 That Chandler sat out for two fucking years waiting for that fight.

00:44:11.000 I know.

00:44:12.000 If I was his friend, I would have said, Michael, you cannot do this.

00:44:15.000 It doesn't matter.

00:44:16.000 You must stay active and you're elite and you're 37 years old.

00:44:20.000 You can't take two years off.

00:44:21.000 You just can't.

00:44:22.000 At his age, you just can't do that.

00:44:23.000 He was doing it for the McGregor payday, don't we?

00:44:25.000 I understand.

00:44:27.000 I understand, but he would have got that payday anyway.

00:44:27.000 Why he'd done it?

00:44:29.000 He would have still got that fight.

00:44:31.000 Connor would have taken that fight.

00:44:32.000 That's a good fight for Connor to come back to.

00:44:34.000 Yeah.

00:44:35.000 It's a solid fighter, tough guy.

00:44:39.000 And you know, not at the peak of his career, it's a good fight for Connor to come back to.

00:44:45.000 And they fucking talked mad shit to each other, it would have been wild.

00:44:48.000 And the way Chandler fights, he's a mad dog, and he just comes at you.

00:44:53.000 He is like, he didn't.

00:44:55.000 I was surprised when he tried to take me down.

00:44:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:58.000 Were you really?

00:44:59.000 I didn't think, I can remember speaking to DC in the week before, and I was saying, he's gonna.

00:45:05.000 I said to DC, I could take him down, and DC was like, what?

00:45:08.000 What?

00:45:08.000 DC laughed at me because I was like, no, I'll take him down.

00:45:11.000 He was like, he's a Division I wrestler.

00:45:12.000 I was like, So, I'll take him down.

00:45:15.000 And he was like, No, Pad, no, that's not happening.

00:45:17.000 I was like, We'll see, we'll see.

00:45:19.000 But then when he came out and shot within like the first minute or two, I was like, Wow, I didn't expect that.

00:45:25.000 I just thought he was trying to come in and try and take my head off, like he does with everyone.

00:45:28.000 You know what I mean?

00:45:28.000 Right.

00:45:29.000 I expected him to come out and try and put it on me.

00:45:31.000 I think by the time you had fought him, he was.

00:45:35.000 Look, I'm a Chandler fan.

00:45:37.000 I love the guy as a person.

00:45:38.000 He's a great fighter.

00:45:40.000 I think his wars that he had before he got to the UFC.

00:45:44.000 If people have never seen them, have you ever seen Eddie Alvarez?

00:45:47.000 Holy shit.

00:45:47.000 Yeah.

00:45:48.000 They are absolute scraps.

00:45:50.000 Fucking crazy fights.

00:45:53.000 I mean, some of the best fights that Bellator ever put on were those two guys going after each other.

00:45:57.000 They left a lot in that cage.

00:46:00.000 And then obviously, there's war with Pore, there's war with Gagey.

00:46:03.000 And I'd heard, I don't want to spread a rumor, but I'm going to.

00:46:07.000 I heard he wasn't sparring much anymore and that he was just getting in condition and, you know.

00:46:13.000 He's always in shape, like, you know what I mean?

00:46:15.000 He's always in shape.

00:46:16.000 Super disciplined.

00:46:17.000 But that's where I'm the opposite of that.

00:46:19.000 I spar twice a week.

00:46:20.000 I love sparring.

00:46:22.000 I love punching people in the face and getting punched in the face.

00:46:25.000 I don't understand the way Holloway says he doesn't spar.

00:46:28.000 He did for Gaichi.

00:46:30.000 That's what I mean.

00:46:31.000 He realised he had to spar when he fought Gaichi.

00:46:34.000 How aren't you sparring for these fights?

00:46:35.000 I feel like I need to spar to make sure I get my timing down and that I can actually hit people.

00:46:40.000 Stuff like you're doing on the pads doesn't always work when you spar someone.

00:46:44.000 And you realise what's going to work when you spar.

00:46:46.000 100%.

00:46:47.000 But I am a weirdo.

00:46:48.000 I just love fighting.

00:46:50.000 Well, look at Strickland.

00:46:51.000 Strickland spars constantly.

00:46:53.000 Constantly.

00:46:54.000 Pereira too.

00:46:55.000 Pereira spars constantly.

00:46:56.000 Pereira spars this week.

00:46:58.000 Pereira sparring this week.

00:47:00.000 I just saw video footage of him sparring some bare knuckle guy this week.

00:47:05.000 I would spar this week, but my coaches wouldn't let me.

00:47:07.000 So our last sparring is like the Tuesday before.

00:47:12.000 So 10 days out.

00:47:13.000 Okay, that's smart.

00:47:15.000 That's smart because bruises and bullshit and little things that can happen.

00:47:19.000 When Oliveira was meant to fight Islam the second time, wasn't he sparring like the week before and that's how he got the cut?

00:47:24.000 Uh huh.

00:47:25.000 Yep.

00:47:26.000 That's just.

00:47:27.000 Yeah.

00:47:28.000 Obviously, if we sparred them that close as well, we're wearing that guard.

00:47:31.000 Oliveira comes from a crazy gym, though.

00:47:34.000 Yeah.

00:47:34.000 You know the history of Shoot the Box?

00:47:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:47:36.000 The early days?

00:47:37.000 Woo!

00:47:38.000 You want to talk about a mad dog gym?

00:47:41.000 Mad dog gym of fucking killers.

00:47:43.000 Pele, Anderson Silva, Ninja, Shogun, Vanderlei.

00:47:48.000 Fuck, man.

00:47:49.000 Yeah, I used to love Shogun.

00:47:51.000 Oh, all those guys were terrors.

00:47:53.000 Terrors in pride.

00:47:54.000 In pride.

00:47:54.000 Yeah.

00:47:56.000 That one team was terrifying.

00:47:58.000 Shoot the Box showed up, you're like, oh, fuck.

00:48:02.000 Just mad animals.

00:48:03.000 And Rafael Cordero is a phenomenal coach.

00:48:05.000 Yeah.

00:48:05.000 Such an elite coach.

00:48:07.000 See, I think we should have some pride rules in the UFC.

00:48:10.000 I agree.

00:48:11.000 I agree.

00:48:12.000 What are you thinking?

00:48:13.000 Come on, let's talk.

00:48:14.000 I think you should be able to knee on the floor.

00:48:15.000 I think so too.

00:48:16.000 And I think you should be able to kick on the floor, just not stomp.

00:48:19.000 I sent this to a group chat that I have with Matt Serra, John Rollo, and Dean Thomas.

00:48:24.000 We have this podcast that we do called Protect Your Neck.

00:48:27.000 And we sent this group chat, and I was like, this is something that I think is wrong.

00:48:32.000 Like, knees to the head on the ground, especially when you're not near the cage, is a completely legitimate move.

00:48:37.000 I don't understand why it isn't.

00:48:39.000 There's places where people are stalling.

00:48:42.000 Yeah, they stall and rest there.

00:48:43.000 You can't stall there in a real fight.

00:48:45.000 Yeah.

00:48:46.000 So, why do we have this one position where in a real fight, it would never be able to, you'd never be able to do that.

00:48:51.000 Yeah.

00:48:51.000 Ever.

00:48:52.000 So, you're allowing like one of the best techniques.

00:48:54.000 If a guy's in a turtle position and you have a head and arm, holy fuck, man, that's just game over.

00:49:00.000 You know, and those guys in pride, like Mark Coleman, you ever see Mark Coleman use knees from, Mark Kay used to do it as well, didn't he?

00:49:00.000 Yeah.

00:49:06.000 Oh, my God.

00:49:07.000 You give those guys that tool in pride when someone gets to a turtle position or when you get half guard or, you know, When you're on side control on someone, side control completely changes.

00:49:16.000 Exactly.

00:49:17.000 Because right now, side control is like you don't see a lot of ground down.

00:49:20.000 And you can't really get many subs in there either.

00:49:22.000 Right.

00:49:23.000 So guys are either moving the mount or they're trying to set something up.

00:49:26.000 But man, you got the knees to the head are right there.

00:49:29.000 I just think it should be legal knees to the head and soccer kicks, but not stomps.

00:49:33.000 I don't think stomps should be legal because your head's got nowhere to go.

00:49:36.000 So once it hits the canvas, it's got nowhere to go.

00:49:38.000 But soccer kicks, your head's got somewhere to go.

00:49:41.000 Well, one tried doing that.

00:49:43.000 I don't know if they still have soccer kicks.

00:49:45.000 I think they might.

00:49:46.000 But what they would do is the referee, at least in the early days, used to be able to say whether someone's clear for a soccer kick.

00:49:52.000 So they'd have to tell the fighter it took.

00:49:54.000 And I think the stipulation might have been if they're near the cage.

00:49:59.000 So this is my only point against soccer kicks and stomps and even knees to the head.

00:50:04.000 If you're trapped.

00:50:05.000 Yeah.

00:50:06.000 If you're trapped and you get stomped, that's pretty fucked up.

00:50:08.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 Because then you have this artificial environment, this boundary that's.

00:50:13.000 That's the reason I don't agree with stomps.

00:50:15.000 Because if you stomp someone, the head has to.

00:50:17.000 It's got no way to, it's just hitting the floor, don't even bounce.

00:50:21.000 But if it's like what Shogun used to do with soccer kicks, where he would throw the legs and then kick them, I just think they should be legal.

00:50:27.000 Did you ever see Melvin Manhoof versus Sakuraba?

00:50:31.000 Melvin Manhoof had a lot of fights in Liverpool.

00:50:34.000 He used to fight in the Olympia in Liverpool, Melvin Manhoof.

00:50:40.000 He fought a scouser a couple of times, Paul Cahoon.

00:50:44.000 He was a monster, man.

00:50:45.000 He was a fucking monster.

00:50:46.000 And he would come out with a dog collar on, just dancing around.

00:50:49.000 He was so powerful, man.

00:50:52.000 He was such a freak.

00:50:53.000 He was one of the first people that was finishing people with leg kicks, really.

00:50:56.000 Oh, yeah, man.

00:50:57.000 Yeah, he finished Mark Hunt with one punch.

00:51:00.000 He knocked out Mark Hunt.

00:51:01.000 I know, and he was a middleweight as well.

00:51:03.000 He's like 185.

00:51:05.000 And he knocked out Mark Hunt, who's like 270 or something, especially in Pride when they don't let you weigh whatever the fuck you want.

00:51:12.000 Melvin was a monster.

00:51:13.000 And he's another guy.

00:51:15.000 You have Shoot the Box in Brazil, Mike's Gym in Holland is famous for just.

00:51:21.000 Ferocious assassin.

00:51:23.000 You know, like so many of those guys.

00:51:25.000 Badr Hari came out of there.

00:51:27.000 Here it is.

00:51:28.000 I mean, to knock out Hunt.

00:51:28.000 Boom!

00:51:30.000 Look at the size difference.

00:51:32.000 Boom!

00:51:32.000 Look at this.

00:51:34.000 I mean, that is crazy.

00:51:35.000 That just shows you how spectacular Melvin Manhoof was in his prime.

00:51:40.000 He was so fun to watch, too, because he would come out with those gladiator shorts on and he'd be dancing, and it just looked like he couldn't wait to fight.

00:51:48.000 Just couldn't wait to get in there.

00:51:50.000 See if he could find Melvin versus Sakuraba.

00:51:55.000 That was a hard one to watch.

00:51:58.000 No, yeah, that was a crazy beatdown, wasn't it?

00:52:00.000 Oh, but.

00:52:00.000 Like, Sakuraba's a legend, but he had too many of them.

00:52:03.000 Yeah.

00:52:03.000 Like, Yeah.

00:52:04.000 Why did they make him fight Wandale short arms?

00:52:06.000 Look at his legs.

00:52:08.000 Look how taped up his knees were.

00:52:10.000 His knees were destroyed by then.

00:52:13.000 Destroyed.

00:52:14.000 The fact that he would go in there, look at his knees.

00:52:17.000 They're wrapped up like a fucking mummy.

00:52:19.000 That's all like athletic tape, man.

00:52:21.000 That's to keep his knees glued together.

00:52:23.000 Yeah, filters would pop out of place.

00:52:24.000 All his ligaments and all his shit, everything was destroyed.

00:52:28.000 His cartilage, his fucking meniscus is gone.

00:52:31.000 He's got no knees, man.

00:52:32.000 He's in there on adrenaline and heart and samurai spirit.

00:52:36.000 Oh.

00:52:37.000 Oh, this is terrible resolution.

00:52:39.000 Someone film this fucking thing.

00:52:41.000 This is like some 1960s film.

00:52:43.000 No, not a Motorola.

00:52:44.000 Bro, he was so ferocious.

00:52:47.000 He was so ferocious.

00:52:48.000 By the time he got to Bellator, and well, by the time he got to Strike Force and Robbie Lawler knocked him out, he was the back end of his career then, weren't he?

00:52:57.000 Yeah, you could only take so many of those.

00:52:59.000 And the way he would fight, it was do or die.

00:53:02.000 Like someone's going to sleep, period.

00:53:05.000 There's no decisions.

00:53:07.000 Melvin Van Hoof fights.

00:53:08.000 It was just.

00:53:09.000 Chaos.

00:53:10.000 If it went to decision, it was an accident.

00:53:12.000 You know?

00:53:14.000 They were chaos.

00:53:15.000 I'd love to do that though.

00:53:16.000 I'd love to just keep fighting.

00:53:17.000 Keep round, round, round until someone finishes someone.

00:53:21.000 Do you think this is an interesting conversation that came up the other day?

00:53:21.000 I think that would be sick.

00:53:26.000 Josh Barnett actually brought this up on Ariel Helwani's show.

00:53:30.000 He said, I think that five minutes is too short.

00:53:34.000 It's too short a round.

00:53:35.000 In the old days of Pride, it was ten.

00:53:37.000 Ten and two fives.

00:53:38.000 Do you think that's better?

00:53:41.000 I think all the rounds need to be the same length.

00:53:43.000 Do you think they should maybe do for a title fight three 10 minute rounds?

00:53:47.000 Yeah, it'd be good.

00:53:49.000 Be all right, wouldn't it?

00:53:50.000 That would be wild.

00:53:52.000 Especially if somebody's got a guy.

00:53:53.000 As long as you haven't got someone's back of the body tying on these standards, you're up.

00:53:59.000 That was crazy.

00:54:00.000 That was crazy.

00:54:01.000 That was the worst stand up in the history of this.

00:54:03.000 I love Dan Mergliata.

00:54:04.000 He's a very nice guy.

00:54:06.000 But he's a human, and all humans make mistakes, yeah.

00:54:09.000 You just don't do that.

00:54:11.000 I don't care if the crowd's booing, let them boo.

00:54:13.000 They're casuals.

00:54:14.000 He's got his back.

00:54:15.000 Is it the most exciting thing in the world?

00:54:16.000 No, still better than baseball.

00:54:18.000 Stop.

00:54:19.000 Still better than baseball.

00:54:20.000 No, if someone's got a body triangle and you're on someone's back, you can't be standing them up.

00:54:23.000 Listen.

00:54:24.000 Like my coach Paul said to me, did that happen to you?

00:54:26.000 I would have got kicked out of the arena.

00:54:28.000 Yeah.

00:54:29.000 It is insane.

00:54:30.000 Because you work so hard to get to that position and it only takes half a second for them to move their neck or move their arm out of place when you've got the choke.

00:54:38.000 Yes.

00:54:39.000 And it can happen.

00:54:40.000 You know, and you've got to give a guy an opportunity to work.

00:54:40.000 Yeah.

00:54:43.000 He also landed something like 50 punches from that position.

00:54:47.000 So, even though he didn't land anything that was like putting him in trouble, he was still active.

00:54:53.000 He was still doing something.

00:54:54.000 He was still doing this.

00:54:55.000 He was still doing something.

00:54:56.000 He was trying to.

00:54:57.000 You know how it is.

00:54:58.000 He's another fighter I love as well, to be fair, Moykano.

00:55:01.000 He's great.

00:55:02.000 He's great on the mic, too.

00:55:03.000 Money, Moykano.

00:55:05.000 He starts talking shit and giving you economic theory.

00:55:07.000 He's great.

00:55:08.000 He starts talking about economic theory on the podcast.

00:55:10.000 You're like, yo, he's very smart.

00:55:13.000 Even like an MOAD BPSD.

00:55:17.000 Having a drink with my mates, and we were just about to go into somewhere where there were DJs on, and we stood outside with it on Fight Pass on our phone.

00:55:24.000 I'm standing there with like eight of my mates, and we're going, Please mention me, please mention me, please mention me.

00:55:30.000 And then he mentioned me and we're all like that.

00:55:31.000 Yes, he could be next.

00:55:34.000 Was that thing, was that, I don't know if it was after or before or for Chandler.

00:55:36.000 It was a few years ago, but lad, we were like, yeah, it's all made up, celebrating, thinking, yeah, Moykano's next.

00:55:42.000 And then the fight just never ended up happening.

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00:56:34.000 Well, he's a guy that figured out that talking shit was the way to.

00:56:38.000 It took him a while.

00:56:39.000 Yeah.

00:56:39.000 Because you watch early in his career, he beat.

00:56:44.000 God, was it.

00:56:47.000 I forget.

00:56:48.000 He beat some good guys.

00:56:49.000 But I forget who it was when he first started talking shit.

00:56:52.000 I was going to say, did he beat Ortega?

00:56:52.000 Did he.

00:56:54.000 No, Ortega beat him, didn't he?

00:56:56.000 I think so.

00:56:57.000 I don't remember.

00:56:59.000 Was that Hanembe?

00:56:59.000 I'm just trying to figure out what the fuck it was.

00:57:00.000 I can remember what.

00:57:01.000 Obviously, before I was in the UFC, I'd have a little bet on it.

00:57:04.000 Hanembe.

00:57:06.000 I had like, we called it an accumulator.

00:57:08.000 He was called a parlay.

00:57:09.000 I had like six fights, and it was when he fought Aldo.

00:57:13.000 I thought, he's the new lad coming up, Moycano.

00:57:16.000 And I put Moycano on, he was the last leg.

00:57:19.000 And then he got finished.

00:57:20.000 Yeah, I was like, Aldo's still Aldo.

00:57:23.000 Yeah, no matter what, he's still there.

00:57:26.000 He's still a bad motherfucker.

00:57:27.000 It's amazing how young he is.

00:57:29.000 I mean, he just retired, and a fight that I thought, did he lose to Cub?

00:57:34.000 Who was his last fight?

00:57:35.000 No, no.

00:57:37.000 What's his name?

00:57:38.000 The Canadian.

00:57:40.000 Amir Albazi.

00:57:42.000 Oh, right, right, right, right.

00:57:45.000 Yeah.

00:57:46.000 Zahabi, Albazi.

00:57:47.000 Yeah.

00:57:48.000 Ayman Zahabi.

00:57:48.000 Zahabi.

00:57:48.000 Ayman.

00:57:49.000 Yeah, I thought he won that fight.

00:57:51.000 It was close, but I thought he won that fight.

00:57:53.000 A lot of people thought he won the Bounty Easter fight, though, didn't he?

00:57:54.000 A lot of people thought he won that one.

00:57:56.000 Yeah, so where are we at, Jamie?

00:58:01.000 So, yeah, Zahabi was the last one for Aldo.

00:58:04.000 Like, it was years ago when he fought Montano, because I was in.

00:58:09.000 I was in Mexico for my wife, like 21st or something.

00:58:12.000 There it is.

00:58:13.000 Right there.

00:58:14.000 TKO punches in Brazil.

00:58:16.000 He gets pretty fired up in Brazil.

00:58:19.000 I was there in Brazil when he beat Chad Mendez and he ran out of the cage and ran into the crowd.

00:58:23.000 Yeah.

00:58:24.000 Ran into the crowd.

00:58:25.000 It was like dancing with all the people in the crowd.

00:58:27.000 It was amazing.

00:58:28.000 It was amazing.

00:58:29.000 He's the king of Rio, man.

00:58:31.000 When he was on top, he was a bad man.

00:58:34.000 He just was on top so young that when you look at him now, what's interesting is he struggled to make 45.

00:58:41.000 And then when he got down to 35, they realized, like, well, he's an elite at 35 still.

00:58:47.000 You know?

00:58:48.000 He was like one fight away from a title shot at 35.

00:58:50.000 Yeah.

00:58:51.000 Yeah.

00:58:52.000 It's incredible that, you know, these guys, they have to figure out what their frame is.

00:58:56.000 And the way weight cutting is today, it's just very hard.

00:58:59.000 Like Frankie Edgar, during his prime, he didn't cut any weight.

00:59:02.000 No.

00:59:03.000 No, it was just crazy.

00:59:03.000 Which is wild.

00:59:04.000 Wild.

00:59:05.000 Absolutely crazy, though.

00:59:06.000 But I think that's why he was so durable, too.

00:59:08.000 Yeah.

00:59:09.000 And he had some of the best conditioning as well.

00:59:12.000 Five rounds easily.

00:59:12.000 He was five.

00:59:14.000 Yeah.

00:59:15.000 Yeah, I can remember watching that the first or the second Grey Maynard fight live, but it was the second in the trilogy, but the first title fight, lad.

00:59:23.000 Insane.

00:59:24.000 The way he came back in that fight.

00:59:26.000 Insane.

00:59:26.000 Everyone just thought it was over.

00:59:27.000 Was a bad motherfucker in his prime.

00:59:30.000 Gray Maynard was an elite wrestler who had crazy power.

00:59:34.000 Like crazy and really good boxing skills and was aggressive.

00:59:38.000 And he put it on Frank.

00:59:39.000 And I was like, oh, this is over.

00:59:40.000 This fight's over.

00:59:41.000 I couldn't believe it when he came back like this.

00:59:43.000 I couldn't believe it.

00:59:44.000 I was watching that live.

00:59:45.000 Came back and stopped him.

00:59:46.000 You're like, how?

00:59:48.000 How?

00:59:49.000 Because he got rocked in both fights, didn't he?

00:59:51.000 In the first round?

00:59:52.000 Yes.

00:59:52.000 Well, Gray rocked a lot of people.

00:59:54.000 Yeah.

00:59:55.000 Gray has serious power.

00:59:57.000 And, you know, In his prime, he was a threat to anybody.

01:00:00.000 He could catch you and you were fucked.

01:00:02.000 And he was a big 55 for that time.

01:00:06.000 Now it seems like the 50 pot, like, you know, some of these guys are fucking huge.

01:00:09.000 You're huge.

01:00:10.000 When I see you in there sometimes, once you've re inflated, you know, I'm like, good lord.

01:00:16.000 Like, you're so much bigger than 155 when you fight.

01:00:19.000 People think I'm lying when I get back in there, but I remember when I, like, literally.

01:00:24.000 Can I guess which weighed?

01:00:26.000 180, 182, 190.

01:00:26.000 Yeah.

01:00:29.000 190.

01:00:30.000 Wow.

01:00:31.000 When, like, I weighed in at one, the last one I weighed in at 156, was drinking all my liquids.

01:00:36.000 Two hours later, I was 170 again.

01:00:38.000 160 now, 170.

01:00:40.000 Wow.

01:00:40.000 Then I like breakfast and stuff.

01:00:42.000 Then I have a nap.

01:00:44.000 Then I go back to the arena and do the official weighing.

01:00:48.000 And then we go back to the hotel and have a proper feast in the night.

01:00:52.000 And then I wake up the next morning again, like 185, 190.

01:00:56.000 Wow.

01:00:57.000 And then I'll have, like, I don't normally eat that much at the end of a fight.

01:01:01.000 And then I'll go to the venue.

01:01:04.000 And they weighed me last time, but like I had the track, I'd them see in my pockets, but I had the tracksuit on and stuff like that.

01:01:09.000 And I was 190 or four, wow, but that was with the tracksuit on, that's all we just called it 190.

01:01:15.000 Yeah, that's a lot of weight.

01:01:17.000 One, what makes me laugh is when I know when I'm 4KG, there was a video of me in the back eating some jellies, and people are like, You ate that whole bag of sweets, it was a kilo of sweets, lad.

01:01:28.000 Think I'm eating a kilo of sweets in the back, you silly bastards.

01:01:32.000 I had a handful of them, people are like, You ate the full thing, you ate the full thing, like, I never know what I mean.

01:01:38.000 There's no excuse for that fight.

01:01:39.000 It's not like I had so and he just beat me.

01:01:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:41.000 I know elite endurance athletes that eat candy.

01:01:43.000 Yeah, no, it's.

01:01:44.000 They like to eat fast.

01:01:45.000 Yeah, fast carbs.

01:01:46.000 Yeah.

01:01:47.000 It's not good for you under regular circumstances if you live a sedentary lifestyle to eat candy all day.

01:01:52.000 But if you're like, remember Courtney, Courtney Doe Walter?

01:01:55.000 Courtney Doe Walter, who is a.

01:01:57.000 She does these ultra marathons.

01:02:00.000 She beat all the men.

01:02:02.000 It was, I think it was a 250 mile race.

01:02:05.000 And she was, I think, was she eight hours ahead of the first, the second place person who was a guy?

01:02:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:13.000 She drinks beer, eats candy.

01:02:17.000 My type of woman.

01:02:18.000 Just insane mental toughness, though.

01:02:21.000 Insane.

01:02:22.000 Like in one of her races, she got so delirious that she fell.

01:02:28.000 She like stumbled and fell, cracked her head, went blind, couldn't see.

01:02:33.000 And as she's running, she's like half blind and she keeps falling down and she just keeps running.

01:02:40.000 So her head's all cut, it's all fucked up.

01:02:42.000 Still won.

01:02:43.000 Belter still came through.

01:02:45.000 I don't know if she won that one, but she still finished 250 fucking miles.

01:02:48.000 I think she did win that one, right?

01:02:50.000 Yeah, 250 miles.

01:02:51.000 She's won quite a few of them, but she doesn't just win.

01:02:54.000 She was winning these races and beating other men by like seven, eight hours.

01:03:01.000 That's so fucking humiliating.

01:03:02.000 That lady could have taken a five hour nap and still fucked you up.

01:03:02.000 That's crazy.

01:03:06.000 Because they don't sleep.

01:03:08.000 These people, they don't sleep.

01:03:09.000 They just stay up for three days running.

01:03:12.000 I don't understand how people can do them.

01:03:14.000 Well, my friend Cam Haynes does it, and he's a complete psychopath.

01:03:17.000 It's like they're trying to die.

01:03:20.000 They're trying to force themselves in a situation where either they die or the guy next to them dies.

01:03:25.000 Yeah, we've got a lad in the gym who goes to Vegas and does all the ultra marathons and stuff like that.

01:03:30.000 He's run every day for 1,400 days or something crazy like that.

01:03:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:35.000 He does 10, 15, 20 miles a day.

01:03:38.000 Well, Ferguson was training with Goggins when he fought you.

01:03:43.000 And I was like, that's probably not the best move.

01:03:48.000 Because the problem is Goggins is going to break you every day.

01:03:53.000 And I don't know if you should be broken every day and then have fun.

01:03:57.000 I said that myself in the build up to that.

01:03:59.000 Fighter, he's probably gonna be a bit fatigued, right?

01:04:02.000 And right, you don't want that going into a fight.

01:04:04.000 Tony had insane endurance when he was in his prime.

01:04:08.000 All right, Tony Ferguson, it's the one of the biggest tragedies in the history of the sport was him tripping over wires, yeah.

01:04:16.000 Backstage, he's doing an interview, I think it was ESPN, blows his fucking knee out, just tripped over some wires.

01:04:22.000 It is so crazy because before that, Tony was the boogeyman, he was fucking up everybody.

01:04:28.000 I think something what really did him up though was himself.

01:04:33.000 When he'd just done that weight cut for nothing, four weeks before 44 kg.

01:04:37.000 Why did he do a weight cut?

01:04:38.000 Because the date he was meant to fight got cancelled.

01:04:41.000 And he just said, I'm going to do the weight cuts anyway.

01:04:44.000 And cut weight to 55.

01:04:46.000 And then a couple of weeks later, that Gagey Ferguson fight got announced.

01:04:46.000 Why would he do that?

01:04:51.000 And it was like five or six weeks after he'd just done a weight cut.

01:04:54.000 So he had to do the weight cuts again to fight him.

01:04:56.000 Do you think that fucked him up?

01:04:57.000 I think it's a person like doing two weight cuts in six weeks when you.

01:05:00.000 I couldn't do two weight cuts in six weeks, couldn't do it.

01:05:04.000 It's that bad.

01:05:05.000 It's not, I don't feel like it's that bad.

01:05:07.000 I, I, but Tony's not cutting as much weight as you.

01:05:10.000 No, I don't feel like the worst thing for me to make weight is the eight weeks of diet and leading up to it.

01:05:16.000 Ten weeks, I don't care getting in a bath, getting in the bath and sweating sound that's all up here.

01:05:22.000 Yeah, it's the eight weeks leading up to it where you can't even go and see your mates because you can't be worried about eating something, right?

01:05:30.000 Like my kids, so you're starting eight weeks out, yeah, ten weeks sometimes.

01:05:35.000 But don't you think that's because you like to eat so much?

01:05:38.000 I think the 10 week sacrifice is worth it for two years to do what I want.

01:05:38.000 I do.

01:05:42.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:43.000 I was actually reading something.

01:05:44.000 See if you can find this article, Jamie.

01:05:46.000 It was that a bath is actually better for you than a sauna.

01:05:50.000 Yeah.

01:05:52.000 Because the water doesn't have anywhere to go.

01:05:54.000 I was just reading that.

01:05:54.000 Yeah.

01:05:55.000 So, all you folks out here have been hearing me talking about the benefits of sauna, and you're like, fuck you, I don't have a sauna.

01:06:01.000 If you have a bath, that's better.

01:06:03.000 I've been doing hot baths now for.

01:06:07.000 12 years or something.

01:06:08.000 Makes sense.

01:06:09.000 You know what's really good?

01:06:10.000 Hot baths with Epsom salts.

01:06:11.000 That's when you want to get more out of here.

01:06:14.000 That's what we do.

01:06:15.000 Magnesium, too.

01:06:16.000 It's one of the best ways your body absorbs magnesium.

01:06:18.000 I don't even really use the sweet sweat anymore.

01:06:21.000 No.

01:06:21.000 Don't need to.

01:06:22.000 Especially in a bath.

01:06:23.000 Yeah.

01:06:23.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:06:24.000 Don't need to use the sweet sweat.

01:06:25.000 Just sweat anyway.

01:06:27.000 I can do it easily for like 14, 15 pounds in a bath.

01:06:30.000 Wow.

01:06:31.000 That's crazy.

01:06:33.000 Does that ever fuck your kidneys up or do you ever feel like.

01:06:36.000 What do you feel like when you're actually on the scale?

01:06:38.000 When it.

01:06:39.000 Now, we do it that professionally that it's sad.

01:06:42.000 Really?

01:06:43.000 Back in the day when I was fighting for the Cage Warriors featherweight title, when I fought for it, when I defended it, some of the worst way cuts I've ever done.

01:06:52.000 At 45, what did you walk around back then?

01:06:55.000 Well, when I fought Julian Arosa, I can remember.

01:07:03.000 I was.

01:07:04.000 It's quite funny, actually.

01:07:06.000 I was in a cave four weeks before it.

01:07:09.000 A cave.

01:07:09.000 A rave.

01:07:10.000 A rave in a cave.

01:07:12.000 And I was in there.

01:07:14.000 Used, drink, eating crisp and stuff like that on the aisle.

01:07:18.000 And one of my mates rang me.

01:07:21.000 There was a cage warriors on, and he's like, lad, they just announced the next fight.

01:07:26.000 I'm like, have they?

01:07:29.000 He's like, yeah, you're fighting that Julia Rosa after the ultimate fight.

01:07:31.000 I'm like, am I?

01:07:33.000 Well, you fucked up.

01:07:36.000 Yeah, I was pissed as a fart.

01:07:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:40.000 And I'm like, am I?

01:07:42.000 Yeah.

01:07:43.000 Like, I had to get in the gym that Monday, and I had what, like 25, 26 days to make weight, and I think I was 87 key, and I had to be 65.8.

01:07:52.000 So I had like 21 k to lose.

01:07:54.000 In less than four weeks.

01:07:54.000 Wow.

01:07:56.000 So for people at home, what is that?

01:07:58.000 49 pounds?

01:07:59.000 What is that?

01:08:01.000 Something like that, yeah.

01:08:03.000 How many?

01:08:04.000 And in the end.

01:08:05.000 What is it?

01:08:05.000 How many kilos?

01:08:06.000 22 kilos?

01:08:08.000 Yeah, 21 kilos it was.

01:08:10.000 Because I was like 80.

01:08:11.000 45 pounds?

01:08:12.000 Because I was 80.

01:08:13.000 It was like 87 kilo.

01:08:15.000 And I had to be 65.8 to make weight.

01:08:18.000 So what do you do?

01:08:19.000 That one was just like.

01:08:19.000 How do you start that?

01:08:24.000 That one was bad.

01:08:25.000 That one was like 1500 calories a day or something, struggling to get through workouts.

01:08:33.000 Doesn't that fuck with your workouts bad?

01:08:34.000 Yeah, it did.

01:08:35.000 That's why in the end, like I had that fight I had, like I literally, that one I cut 8.4 kilo overnight, which is 17, 18 pounds.

01:08:48.000 The night before on the day of.

01:08:50.000 And that was, I've never felt that bad.

01:08:53.000 Oh, maybe the next one as well, the next week up.

01:08:56.000 That one was bad.

01:08:57.000 That was when I fought a Rosa.

01:08:59.000 And I won that fight.

01:09:01.000 But I think that was before the judging criteria got changed.

01:09:07.000 And I think if it was the new judging criteria, I think I would have lost that fight.

01:09:10.000 I think a Rosa would have won.

01:09:11.000 What was the difference in the criteria in that?

01:09:13.000 Because I never saw that fight.

01:09:16.000 Like on wrestling.

01:09:17.000 It was more like control wrestling.

01:09:20.000 And I gassed after round three, four and five.

01:09:22.000 I was just surviving.

01:09:23.000 Know what I mean?

01:09:24.000 But I ran at him in like the first or the second round, I think it was, and he dropped me.

01:09:29.000 Or I went down, but I grabbed his leg and took him down.

01:09:31.000 Know what I mean?

01:09:32.000 So I ended up winning that round.

01:09:34.000 Where if you use this criteria now, I think he would have won that round.

01:09:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:09:39.000 I've said that to him when I've trained in his gym and stuff.

01:09:41.000 I've said to him, I reckon you would have won that fight if it was like the new criteria.

01:09:46.000 And obviously, it wasn't own soil for me, but it was London.

01:09:49.000 Know what I mean?

01:09:50.000 It was the UK.

01:09:53.000 I'd say that's a close of, like, just as close as the Jared Gordon fight, you know what I mean?

01:09:58.000 If you did go back and watch it.

01:10:00.000 Yeah.

01:10:00.000 If you went off the criteria, now I reckon Rosa would have beat me because I gassed after three.

01:10:05.000 I was like, that for four and five.

01:10:07.000 I reckon he definitely won four and five.

01:10:09.000 But it was my takedowns what won me that fight.

01:10:11.000 The Jared Gordon fight was close.

01:10:13.000 It was close.

01:10:14.000 I thought Jared won that fight.

01:10:15.000 No, no, most people thought Jared won that fight, lad.

01:10:18.000 It was close.

01:10:19.000 And it's interesting, like, you look at your career afterwards and his career afterwards, how one fight changes so much.

01:10:24.000 Yeah.

01:10:25.000 You know, there's been times in history where there's been questionable decisions where you just go, wow, what would have been?

01:10:32.000 A lot of people have got them on the record.

01:10:35.000 People always mention Tabau and Khabib.

01:10:38.000 A lot of people thought Tabau won that fight.

01:10:38.000 Yes.

01:10:40.000 I thought he won that fight too.

01:10:41.000 That's what I mean.

01:10:42.000 I rewatched it too.

01:10:43.000 I mean, not by a lot, but I thought, you know, I thought a decision is rightful.

01:10:48.000 Yeah.

01:10:48.000 But you know the big one?

01:10:50.000 Dominic Reyes.

01:10:51.000 Dominic Reyes and John Jones.

01:10:53.000 That's the big one.

01:10:54.000 I've watched that a few times.

01:10:55.000 I think Dominic won that fight.

01:10:57.000 I think he won that fight.

01:10:57.000 Yeah.

01:10:58.000 Yeah.

01:10:58.000 And John's greatest of all time.

01:11:00.000 But I watched that fight.

01:11:00.000 Yeah.

01:11:01.000 I was like, I think Dominic won that fight.

01:11:03.000 And it's crazy because Dominic went on like a four fight losing streak after that.

01:11:07.000 It literally altered his career.

01:11:08.000 Crazy.

01:11:09.000 Yeah.

01:11:10.000 But I think he's back now.

01:11:11.000 You know, he's a very resilient guy.

01:11:12.000 Yeah, that knockout he got the other week was brilliant.

01:11:14.000 Watching that was a lovely finish.

01:11:14.000 Yes.

01:11:16.000 And Murza Kanoff is a fucking beast.

01:11:16.000 Brilliant.

01:11:18.000 Yeah.

01:11:19.000 You know, that guy's no joke.

01:11:20.000 No joke, Murza.

01:11:21.000 I think it'll be a They fight Reyes and Paulo Costa.

01:11:23.000 Oh, fuck yeah.

01:11:23.000 That'd be a scrap.

01:11:24.000 That's a good one.

01:11:25.000 That's a real good one.

01:11:26.000 Paulo Costa's a fucking beast at 205.

01:11:28.000 I don't know how the fuck he made 185 to begin with.

01:11:31.000 I know.

01:11:32.000 He's a guy.

01:11:33.000 Him and Yoel.

01:11:34.000 Yoel's the most confusing one.

01:11:36.000 I'd stand next to Yoel Romero.

01:11:37.000 I'm like, how?

01:11:39.000 How are you?

01:11:40.000 Because I would be standing there next to him weighing 200 pounds.

01:11:43.000 And I was like, how have you ever been 185 pounds?

01:11:46.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:11:47.000 No, it's so thick.

01:11:48.000 And he's like a brick.

01:11:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:51.000 He's just solid.

01:11:52.000 Robert Whitaker said that he kicked him.

01:11:55.000 He says, he goes, it's like I'm hitting steel.

01:11:58.000 He said, I was the only guy that I've ever hit a guy with a calf kick and came out second best.

01:12:03.000 He goes, it hurt my leg when I calf kicked him.

01:12:05.000 It's fucking nuts, man.

01:12:08.000 He was like a boogeyman as well, weren't he?

01:12:10.000 He was like a boogeyman.

01:12:11.000 And we didn't even get him into MMA until he was in those late 30s.

01:12:15.000 I think his first MMA fight, I think he was 35 or 36.

01:12:18.000 He had a bare knuckle boxing match with fucking Dan Tillier that we've had.

01:12:21.000 I thought he won.

01:12:22.000 A lot of people, I'll be honest, I don't really watch bare knuckles, so I didn't watch it.

01:12:25.000 I can't say who won.

01:12:27.000 I thought he won.

01:12:28.000 I see a lot of people saying he thought he won as well, but as I said, I don't really watch bare knuckle boxing, so I couldn't really say.

01:12:33.000 He's 50.

01:12:35.000 What the fuck, man?

01:12:36.000 He's 50 and shredded.

01:12:38.000 Looks amazing and has endurance, still explosive, still moves great.

01:12:45.000 He's like defying time.

01:12:46.000 He's like aging at half speed.

01:12:49.000 It's nuts, man.

01:12:50.000 Because even if he came back to the UFC, he's a fucking nightmare for 80% of the roster at 185 pounds.

01:12:56.000 Definitely.

01:12:57.000 But not 185.

01:12:58.000 He's never making that 205.

01:12:59.000 Not anymore.

01:13:00.000 Not anymore.

01:13:01.000 But even at 205, he's a fucking nightmare.

01:13:03.000 Even when he fought Izzy, he realized that Izzy likes you to come after him and he likes to counter.

01:13:10.000 He's a round away from winning that fight?

01:13:10.000 So he just stood there.

01:13:12.000 Yes.

01:13:13.000 That's a round away from winning that fight.

01:13:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:14.000 He's going to wrestle Bo Nickel.

01:13:17.000 RAF 16.

01:13:17.000 All right.

01:13:18.000 I have a thought on this.

01:13:20.000 I don't think it's wise.

01:13:22.000 I like that RAF is doing this.

01:13:24.000 I love it.

01:13:25.000 I love RAF.

01:13:26.000 However, When you got a guy like Bo Nickel, who is right now one of the top contenders in the middleweight division, and you're wrestling, there is a real possibility that you could blow a knee out.

01:13:38.000 100%.

01:13:39.000 I wouldn't do anything like that.

01:13:40.000 Fuck that.

01:13:41.000 I see these guys doing that.

01:13:42.000 I'm like, I understand you're going to pick up some money.

01:13:45.000 I understand it's great.

01:13:46.000 I understand you represent your sport.

01:13:48.000 Freak weird things happen.

01:13:50.000 I'm an MMA fighter first and foremost, so I'm not going to go and do some grappling thing or some wrestling thing or anything like that.

01:13:50.000 It's going to happen.

01:13:57.000 Cub Swanson did that.

01:13:58.000 He did a grappling match and blew out his ACL.

01:14:00.000 That's what I mean.

01:14:01.000 I just.

01:14:01.000 I don't understand why people do it.

01:14:04.000 No, I don't understand why they do it either.

01:14:05.000 And it gives away part of your game.

01:14:08.000 It does a little bit, yeah.

01:14:09.000 It gives away part of your game that you want to surprise people with.

01:14:12.000 I just wouldn't go and do anything like that.

01:14:15.000 I'm a fighter at the end of the day.

01:14:16.000 I want to be an MMA fighter.

01:14:17.000 I want to be UFC champion, so I'm not going to go and do other shit.

01:14:20.000 It's good for dickheads like Harmon who need the publicity because no one likes him.

01:14:25.000 You know what I mean?

01:14:26.000 It's good for people like that.

01:14:27.000 You don't think people like him?

01:14:29.000 No, he's a wanker.

01:14:31.000 I like him.

01:14:32.000 I'm sorry.

01:14:34.000 Hello.

01:14:34.000 Little daddy's boy, lad.

01:14:36.000 He is a very odd situation.

01:14:38.000 I'll tell you that.

01:14:39.000 It's very odd that a guy is the child of a rich man, grew up wealthy.

01:14:44.000 He's wealthy as fuck right now.

01:14:46.000 Does not have to fight for the rest of his life and still is world class.

01:14:50.000 You got to give him.

01:14:51.000 He's a fighter.

01:14:51.000 No, he is.

01:14:53.000 He's world class.

01:14:53.000 I didn't think he looked good in that fight, though.

01:14:56.000 He knocked him out in the first round.

01:14:57.000 Couldn't take him down.

01:14:58.000 Well, Hoofy had been training with Volkanovsky.

01:15:01.000 No, and over.

01:15:01.000 I think he really cleaned up this takedown defense.

01:15:03.000 Hoofy's got so much better since he started training with Volkanovsky.

01:15:06.000 Yeah.

01:15:07.000 And his last fight before that was BSD.

01:15:09.000 Right.

01:15:10.000 But like BSD absolutely mauled him on the ground.

01:15:13.000 And then Armin couldn't take him back.

01:15:14.000 True.

01:15:15.000 But I think he got better.

01:15:16.000 I think the BSD fight opened his eyes.

01:15:20.000 He beat Fizziev, then he beat Chandler, and then he fought Armin.

01:15:24.000 Yep.

01:15:24.000 Know what I mean?

01:15:25.000 The Chandler fight, that was the one fight where on the White House card, I was like, this one's a tough one.

01:15:32.000 This is tough for Michael.

01:15:33.000 I just don't see how he gets to the top of the game.

01:15:35.000 I think he needed to use his wrestling against Rufy.

01:15:37.000 I think anyone does need to use the wrestling, really.

01:15:39.000 I think Rufy's got some of the best styling in the division.

01:15:42.000 Very good striking and very long.

01:15:44.000 Very tall, very slick.

01:15:46.000 I'm about the same size as Rufy, I think.

01:15:48.000 Know what I mean?

01:15:50.000 He seems like he's a little taller than you, is he?

01:15:53.000 It might be a little inch taller, but I'm wise.

01:15:55.000 He fights long.

01:15:56.000 He fights very long.

01:15:56.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 I think he's boss to watch.

01:15:58.000 I love watching Rufi fight.

01:15:59.000 Yeah.

01:16:00.000 He's great to watch.

01:16:01.000 I love watching him fight.

01:16:02.000 But the BSD fight exposed a level of.

01:16:09.000 His grappling was at a level that it's going to take an incredible amount of work to get to the top guys, guys like you.

01:16:16.000 He's so far off.

01:16:18.000 If a guy like BSD can dominate him that badly on the ground, it's like, boy, that's tough because he got.

01:16:25.000 It wasn't like competitive grappling exchanges where he got on top sometimes, but BSD got on top more.

01:16:32.000 It was BSD mauling.

01:16:34.000 That's a problem because when someone sees that, they're like, oh.

01:16:37.000 Let's replicate that and that's how you'll be.

01:16:39.000 Especially a guy who's an elite guy like yourself or a guy who's a really good grappler.

01:16:42.000 Yeah, after that, when you watch that, you're thinking, I'm going to do that to him.

01:16:46.000 I'm going to take him down.

01:16:47.000 The question I always get is how much better can you get?

01:16:52.000 You're 34 or 32 years old and you're going to fight world class guys.

01:16:57.000 For the next couple of years, how much better can you get at grappling?

01:17:01.000 Because you need to get a lot better.

01:17:02.000 So it's a real tricky situation when something like that gets exposed.

01:17:06.000 Because if you're in there with a guy who can take you down, who's an elite grappler, like he's always going to know that that pathway exists.

01:17:15.000 You don't have the skill, at least didn't at the time, have the skills to stop that.

01:17:19.000 And how much skills can you acquire over the next couple of years?

01:17:23.000 I think you can always get better.

01:17:25.000 For sure.

01:17:25.000 No, I mean, you can always get better.

01:17:26.000 100%.

01:17:27.000 But how much better can you get?

01:17:28.000 Like, a good example for me is like, John Jones is Cyril Gone, right?

01:17:35.000 John Jones takes Cyril Gone down like that, submits him first round, you know, and it's like, wow.

01:17:40.000 Like, can Cyril ever get to a point where John Jones can't take him down?

01:17:44.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:17:44.000 Yeah.

01:17:45.000 Like, if he has to fight again, like, if John decides to come back and John, so let's say Cyril beats Hoke this weekend and then John says, fuck it one more time.

01:17:53.000 You know, wheel out the Brinks truck.

01:17:56.000 You want to sell some pay per views at heavyweight?

01:17:57.000 I'm the fucking man.

01:17:59.000 That is true.

01:18:00.000 It is like, if John decides to come back and say, I want one more, They got to give him a world title fight.

01:18:00.000 Right.

01:18:06.000 You do it with him and Cyril Gahn.

01:18:08.000 And Cyril Gahn knows just a few years ago was it 2023 they fought, I think?

01:18:12.000 Yeah.

01:18:13.000 Three years ago, John took him down like that, submitted him like that.

01:18:18.000 So it's like, how much better can you get in three years where that guy can't do that to you?

01:18:22.000 Because the way he did it to him is like, you know, he's just that much better.

01:18:28.000 Yeah, that was like taking Calm Lee from a baby, as they say, Werner.

01:18:31.000 That was just easy.

01:18:32.000 Just got him immediately, cinched him down, full control, got his neck.

01:18:37.000 That's a wrap.

01:18:38.000 I mean, it was so quick.

01:18:39.000 I thought Siddle tapped quite quick as well, to be honest.

01:18:41.000 I thought Siddle tapped quite quick.

01:18:41.000 What's that?

01:18:43.000 I think he'd hurt like a motherfucker.

01:18:44.000 Yeah.

01:18:45.000 You know?

01:18:46.000 It was a front choke, right?

01:18:47.000 Didn't John have the head crank?

01:18:48.000 He was trying to like stood over him, wasn't he?

01:18:49.000 And had like a big head crank.

01:18:51.000 With all the leverage of John's length and his skills.

01:18:54.000 Like, remember we did that to Leota Machita?

01:18:57.000 Here it is, right here.

01:18:58.000 So he got him down, got on top of him.

01:19:00.000 As soon as he sunk it in, and John's left handed, too.

01:19:03.000 He gets that left arm on that chin, and he's just head cranking the fuck out.

01:19:06.000 It doesn't even look like it's under the chin yet, though.

01:19:08.000 Oh, he's just head cranking him.

01:19:09.000 He's head cranking him.

01:19:11.000 I mean, it's just right now, this is nasty.

01:19:14.000 His whole head is sideways.

01:19:15.000 John's just so fucking strong.

01:19:17.000 He's so strong, like weirdly strong.

01:19:20.000 You know, it's just years of grappling, and there it is.

01:19:23.000 There it is.

01:19:24.000 I mean, bro, that is nasty.

01:19:26.000 That is so nasty.

01:19:28.000 He's pretty fast there, I thought.

01:19:30.000 I don't think so.

01:19:30.000 I think that was a wrap, son.

01:19:32.000 Look at where his head's trapped.

01:19:35.000 That's just the thing with me.

01:19:36.000 I'm going out there.

01:19:37.000 Yeah.

01:19:38.000 I get it.

01:19:38.000 I'm going unconscious.

01:19:39.000 I get it.

01:19:40.000 I'm not, especially in a world title fight.

01:19:43.000 He's everybody, shush.

01:19:45.000 I'm going unconscious there.

01:19:47.000 Definitely.

01:19:48.000 So.

01:19:48.000 Like, there's moments where you look at it.

01:19:51.000 Like, this is one of the things that makes it interesting.

01:19:53.000 I was just talking to a friend of mine who I respect a lot.

01:19:55.000 I won't say his name until after the fight.

01:19:57.000 He says, I think Josh Hook is going to win this weekend.

01:19:59.000 I was like, Really?

01:20:01.000 Really?

01:20:01.000 You're really that confident?

01:20:02.000 Because for me, it's like, Boy, I think Cyril Gant is one of the biggest puzzles in the heavyweight division.

01:20:08.000 I think it's bad for the sport if Josh Hook wins.

01:20:11.000 I think it's bad.

01:20:12.000 It's bad.

01:20:13.000 Bad for the sport if Josh Hook wins.

01:20:16.000 I think he's a crazy wanker.

01:20:19.000 Is he at least playing crazy?

01:20:21.000 I don't know if he is.

01:20:21.000 I just hate.

01:20:23.000 Like, as you know, I hate Colby Covington.

01:20:25.000 I hate the acting.

01:20:26.000 I hate the trying to be something you're not.

01:20:28.000 Just be yourself.

01:20:29.000 Why are you putting this act on?

01:20:31.000 And it just pisses me off, love.

01:20:34.000 But it's the same thing, sort of, that Money Moikano does.

01:20:38.000 But he's still himself.

01:20:39.000 He's still himself.

01:20:40.000 He's not being like, he's not like trying to be nothing.

01:20:42.000 He's not.

01:20:42.000 That's just him.

01:20:43.000 He's a funny person anyway.

01:20:44.000 Right.

01:20:45.000 Like, he's not.

01:20:46.000 Like, when Ochert's doing all that stupid.

01:20:49.000 And then, like, he's pretending to be sick on himself and stuff like that.

01:20:49.000 Oh, right.

01:20:53.000 Yeah.

01:20:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:20:55.000 Everything I've ever heard about Colby Compton is behind the scenes.

01:20:57.000 He's one of the nicest men.

01:20:58.000 He's a nice guy.

01:20:59.000 That's it.

01:21:00.000 I've hung out with him at the comedy store and all that.

01:21:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:02.000 I've heard he's one of the nicest fellas about.

01:21:04.000 So when he's the way he is on camera, it's like, what are you doing?

01:21:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:09.000 I get it.

01:21:10.000 But it's also Colby was about to get cut.

01:21:13.000 And he fought Damian Maia in Brazil.

01:21:15.000 And they were going to cut him.

01:21:17.000 The UFC has an issue with guys who win but are not exciting.

01:21:23.000 If you don't get the fans stirred up, they will cut you.

01:21:26.000 I'm against it.

01:21:26.000 And.

01:21:28.000 I am a purist.

01:21:29.000 No, I didn't agree with him.

01:21:31.000 I did not agree with that at all.

01:21:31.000 For Ebash Rath getting cut off.

01:21:32.000 I didn't agree with him getting cut off at all.

01:21:33.000 I didn't agree with him getting cut off at all.

01:21:35.000 I say if you think he's boring, and I don't think he's boring, I think he's very skillful.

01:21:38.000 I like watching him fight.

01:21:39.000 Just because a guy's not finishing fights.

01:21:41.000 Look at Eve Louev just fought for the title.

01:21:43.000 He never finished anybody.

01:21:45.000 But still, I love watching him fight.

01:21:47.000 Eve Louev is a fucking elite fighter, man.

01:21:49.000 You watch him fight, it's very interesting.

01:21:50.000 I think what he did with Lerone was incredibly impressive.

01:21:53.000 Yeah.

01:21:54.000 Because he did it on the feet as well.

01:21:55.000 He beat him on the feet, and then the grappling is elite.

01:21:58.000 That was another fight a lot of people were calling on Robbery, though.

01:22:02.000 The Ivelove Lerone Murphy fight?

01:22:03.000 Yeah.

01:22:03.000 Really?

01:22:04.000 What did they think?

01:22:05.000 Because they saw it was 3 2 Ivelove, but he had a pounce off.

01:22:09.000 A lot of media things I've seen said it should have been a draw.

01:22:12.000 Interesting.

01:22:12.000 I'll have to go back and watch it again.

01:22:14.000 But my point was he's not finishing anybody.

01:22:17.000 He didn't finish anyone.

01:22:18.000 And yet he still got a title fight.

01:22:18.000 Yeah.

01:22:20.000 And, you know, Bashra is winning.

01:22:22.000 He's undefeated.

01:22:23.000 He was 7 0 in the FCU, wasn't he?

01:22:24.000 I think he was 7 0.

01:22:25.000 Yes.

01:22:26.000 And, like, I don't like the pressure that gets put on people to fight outside of their technique and skill.

01:22:34.000 And to just like bite down your mouthpiece and throw.

01:22:37.000 Yeah.

01:22:37.000 I think that's crazy.

01:22:39.000 I think you should fight the best way you know how to fight.

01:22:42.000 And hopefully it's really exciting.

01:22:45.000 But it's going to be exciting anyway.

01:22:45.000 Yeah.

01:22:48.000 And if you don't think he's exciting, put him in there with someone who is exciting, who's a fucking madman, who's going to force him to fight a certain way.

01:22:56.000 But until he loses, cutting someone I think is crazy.

01:23:01.000 It's just at that time, though, man.

01:23:02.000 Like a lot of people, I remember a lot of people saying GSP was boring.

01:23:06.000 When I was watching, know what I mean?

01:23:08.000 I remember a lot of people's madness.

01:23:10.000 Casuals.

01:23:11.000 Casuals.

01:23:11.000 Yeah.

01:23:12.000 People were saying GSP was boring.

01:23:13.000 Insane.

01:23:14.000 Fight IQ was off the charts and he beat people.

01:23:14.000 How?

01:23:18.000 He's another example that those wrestlers hate.

01:23:20.000 He didn't wrestle in high school, he didn't wrestle in college, best wrestler in MMA.

01:23:24.000 They hate that shit.

01:23:25.000 They always want to say, Division One, Division One All American, like, settle down.

01:23:29.000 This fucking Canadian guy who speaks French is just fucking everybody else.

01:23:34.000 Just double legging people for shits and giggles.

01:23:36.000 Bro, it's really funny when I bring him around people that don't know who he is.

01:23:40.000 They have no idea who he is.

01:23:41.000 They never guess.

01:23:42.000 They never guess.

01:23:43.000 He was hanging out at the mothership.

01:23:45.000 He's got like a golf shirt on.

01:23:46.000 He's super friendly to everybody.

01:23:48.000 And I said to this friend of mine, I go, Do you know who that is?

01:23:50.000 And they go, No.

01:23:51.000 I go, That's one of the baddest cage fighters that's ever walked the face of the earth.

01:23:55.000 He was like, No way.

01:23:56.000 I go, Yeah, that's George St. Pierre.

01:23:58.000 He's like, What?

01:23:59.000 I remember he was at a cage where he was one time in Manchester.

01:24:03.000 And I spoke to him there, and he's one of the nicest men ever.

01:24:07.000 He's so polite and quiet and respectful.

01:24:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:12.000 You would never imagine that he was such a ferocious fighter.

01:24:15.000 He wouldn't at all.

01:24:15.000 He was another guy with a switch.

01:24:17.000 He had a switch.

01:24:18.000 You would see him get inside the cage and it would just switch over.

01:24:21.000 You would see him just get locked in and focused and switched.

01:24:26.000 And, you know, he had such a great team, too Faraz Zahabi and John Donahue, two of the greatest minds in combat sports ever, together working with him.

01:24:35.000 You know?

01:24:36.000 And Faraz would pay people to try to knock him out.

01:24:40.000 He would tell sparring partners, I'll give you more money if you can knock him out.

01:24:40.000 He would.

01:24:44.000 Because he just wanted George to be fighting in, like, chaotic situations.

01:24:48.000 You know, he wanted him to be, like, very comfortable with, like, wild chaos.

01:24:52.000 Yeah.

01:24:53.000 It does help, like, you know what I mean?

01:24:55.000 Because nothing can prepare you for a fight like a fight.

01:24:58.000 Nothing like a fight.

01:24:59.000 Yeah.

01:25:00.000 I mean, especially if you're, you know, at that level where it's like the difference between victory and defeat, it's like small moments in a fight that can shift the tide and turn the way things go.

01:25:14.000 It's like, boy, you need to be 100% prepared.

01:25:17.000 So you need the right people watching you every step of the way, like real trainers, which is one of the things I think is like pros and cons of these big giant gyms.

01:25:27.000 You know, the pros are.

01:25:28.000 Yeah, for me, the pros of a giant gym is you'd have unlimited sparring partners.

01:25:33.000 You've got so many different styles.

01:25:35.000 Wherever you're fighting, you've got someone to spar with.

01:25:38.000 But for me, the cons are, you just aren't like a team.

01:25:43.000 I don't feel like any of them are a team.

01:25:45.000 No.

01:25:45.000 You see it on the UFC now, like, oh, these both train at the same gym.

01:25:48.000 Right.

01:25:49.000 Like, what?

01:25:50.000 Right.

01:25:51.000 You'd never see me catch me fighting any of my teammates.

01:25:55.000 I consider them family.

01:25:56.000 They're all like my brothers.

01:25:58.000 Know what I mean?

01:25:58.000 Yeah.

01:25:59.000 Yeah, I know what you mean.

01:25:59.000 But like, We look after each other.

01:26:02.000 You would never see me fighting like George Staines or Luke Riley or Adam Cullen or anyone like that.

01:26:07.000 It just wouldn't happen.

01:26:09.000 Never happen.

01:26:10.000 Like, as I've said it through the week, perfect scenario for me would be I end up winning the lightweight belt, can defend it a few times.

01:26:17.000 George comes through the ranks, I can vacate the belt and let him fight for it and move up to welterweight.

01:26:21.000 That's dreamland.

01:26:22.000 Like, don't get me wrong, but that would be perfect because I'm never going to fight him.

01:26:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:28.000 We spar in the gym twice a week.

01:26:30.000 Yeah.

01:26:30.000 And with him every day, we train together.

01:26:33.000 I wind them up every day, you know what I mean?

01:26:34.000 So, like, just to think I'd get in there and fight him or, like, even Luke, who's been saying that for like seven, eight years, it's not happening.

01:26:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:44.000 You couldn't give me an unlimited amount of money to do that.

01:26:47.000 Yeah, that was a big thing with Rashad.

01:26:49.000 With Rashad and John Jones.

01:26:51.000 John Jones, yeah, I remember.

01:26:52.000 They trained together and they were friends.

01:26:53.000 Yeah.

01:26:53.000 And then when John had to step in for Rashad and fight Shogun and won the title, and then all of a sudden it became they were fighting each other and it became a giant issue.

01:27:03.000 Because Rashad was like, I thought we were never going to fight each other.

01:27:06.000 I thought we were friends.

01:27:08.000 That's mad.

01:27:10.000 I couldn't even contemplate that.

01:27:12.000 That had never happened in our gym.

01:27:13.000 No one in our gym would ever.

01:27:14.000 Fight someone else in the gym, but in them big super gyms in America, yeah, two people who train under the same roof they might go in at different times and all stuff like that, but they train in the same place, they've got like the same coaches and they're gonna fight each other.

01:27:27.000 That just blows my mind, lad.

01:27:29.000 That's just crazy.

01:27:31.000 I could see it both ways.

01:27:33.000 Some guys agree it's okay, this is a business, and we both have a dream, and we just we're both gonna just have to fight and we'll be friends afterwards.

01:27:40.000 I could see that.

01:27:42.000 Some guys that's their attitude, but I also see your attitude, and I love that.

01:27:45.000 I love the camaraderie that you get from sweating with people every day, training with people, and knowing that they have your back.

01:27:52.000 Yeah.

01:27:52.000 Like knowing that if they have a heel hook, they're not going to yank on it.

01:27:55.000 Knowing if they have a head kick, they're going to pull it.

01:27:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:58.000 Like, there's things you do for each other in the gym for friends, too.

01:28:02.000 Like, you don't hurt each other on purpose.

01:28:04.000 Shit happens, but you pull things.

01:28:07.000 You take care of each other.

01:28:08.000 You want to be able to train again tomorrow.

01:28:10.000 Exactly.

01:28:10.000 And you also go through things where you're helping each other in the corner, you're pumping people up for the fight.

01:28:16.000 You love them, they're like brothers.

01:28:18.000 To fight that kind of a person, someone who's that close to you, it's like fighting an actual brother.

01:28:23.000 And I can't imagine that.

01:28:24.000 I spend more time in the gym with them people than my actual brother and like my mates by ours who I've grew up with who I consider brothers.

01:28:33.000 Yeah.

01:28:33.000 So for someone to say, you want to go in there and fight him and try and knock him out, or you're going to turn off, nah.

01:28:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:28:39.000 It's also you know each other, like no one knows each other.

01:28:41.000 Yeah.

01:28:42.000 You know each other inside out because you've done that many hours of training together.

01:28:44.000 Yeah.

01:28:45.000 If you train with someone, you know them.

01:28:47.000 You know, you just, you get it.

01:28:50.000 As I say, that just, Blows my mind, people who train in the same gym fighting each other.

01:28:54.000 I just think it's wrong personally.

01:28:57.000 I just get it the way MMA is.

01:29:00.000 There's only a lot of people just think, Oh, there's only a certain few gyms you can go to.

01:29:05.000 Where I'm still training the same gym as I walked into when I was 15 years old.

01:29:10.000 I haven't ever trained anywhere else with anyone else.

01:29:13.000 I've gone and done little bits of training here, nerd like little when I've been in other countries and stuff, but I've never had a different head coach.

01:29:21.000 I've always been Paul Romet, and I've always had Ellis Sampson, who was my teammate, but he's now my coach.

01:29:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:29:27.000 I've never had any other coaches.

01:29:29.000 Yeah.

01:29:30.000 Well, that's awesome.

01:29:31.000 I think that's great, especially since it's working out.

01:29:34.000 Unfortunately, for some people, it's not working out, and they're in a situation where they do have to make a change because maybe the coaching staff can't handle their talent.

01:29:42.000 But when people are together day in and day out like that, it develops a bond, a closeness that very few people understand.

01:29:49.000 You really know them.

01:29:51.000 Crone Gracie had a very wise statement once.

01:29:54.000 We were talking about something, and he was talking about some guy.

01:29:57.000 He says, I reserve my judgment on who a man is until I roll with him.

01:30:03.000 I was like, That's smart.

01:30:05.000 Because, like, there's no bullshit.

01:30:07.000 There's no bullshit in rolling.

01:30:09.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:30:10.000 And that's a very wise thing.

01:30:12.000 You know, because you hear people talk, you're like, Is that bullshit?

01:30:12.000 Yeah.

01:30:15.000 I don't know.

01:30:16.000 Well, who knows?

01:30:17.000 Maybe it's just me.

01:30:18.000 Maybe I'm being paranoid.

01:30:20.000 But you know when you get on the matter, someone's bullshitting on us, don't you?

01:30:23.000 Exactly.

01:30:23.000 You do?

01:30:24.000 Yeah, you do 100%.

01:30:25.000 And you know each other.

01:30:27.000 You know what each other's are capable of.

01:30:29.000 That's why when you have a gym like Khabib's gym, where you have this one guy who's such a dominant force of discipline and will, who's like the head guy, and it's like he sort of forces this ethic throughout the entire gym.

01:30:43.000 Because, you know, your head guy is like one of the greatest of all time, who's this fucking complete discipline maniac.

01:30:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:51.000 And like the whole gym sort of falls into that line.

01:30:54.000 I mean, it's not a coincidence.

01:30:56.000 That's so many elite guys are coming out of that gym.

01:30:58.000 No, it's not like.

01:30:59.000 But they're not fighting each other either.

01:31:00.000 No, that's what I mean.

01:31:01.000 Same thing.

01:31:02.000 Yeah.

01:31:04.000 And they've got some of the best fighters in the world who are at some of the top of the divisions in the world.

01:31:08.000 Have the UFC signed Usman?

01:31:10.000 Have they signed Usman Nurmagomedov?

01:31:12.000 I don't think so.

01:31:13.000 I know they're in talks.

01:31:15.000 God, I hope they sign him.

01:31:16.000 It's just whether the other, what are they called?

01:31:20.000 PFL.

01:31:21.000 Give him more money, innit?

01:31:23.000 I think he's free.

01:31:25.000 Oh, he had a three month period, weren't he?

01:31:27.000 Is that what it is?

01:31:28.000 I see he signed today.

01:31:30.000 He signed with the UFC today?

01:31:31.000 I'm going to confirm.

01:31:33.000 Okay, confirm.

01:31:34.000 See, there's another lightweight.

01:31:35.000 There's another lightweight.

01:31:36.000 And he is the one guy that was outside of the UFC.

01:31:39.000 I said, this guy's world championship caliber.

01:31:41.000 He's world championship caliber.

01:31:43.000 So it's like.

01:31:44.000 You and him and Armin and Charles.

01:31:48.000 Fuck, Charles looked good against Max.

01:31:50.000 He shut Max down.

01:31:51.000 I was stunned.

01:31:51.000 Yeah, he did.

01:31:52.000 I didn't see that coming, Percy.

01:31:54.000 I was stunned.

01:31:56.000 I mean, I thought it was going to be a real good fight.

01:31:58.000 I think him and Lopez is going to be a good fight.

01:32:00.000 I really like Diego Lopez.

01:32:02.000 He's an animal.

01:32:03.000 He's one of the nicest dudes ever.

01:32:03.000 Yeah.

01:32:05.000 Super nice guy.

01:32:06.000 Iron chin.

01:32:07.000 His chin looks like you can hit him with a bat.

01:32:09.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:32:10.000 Like his chin, he's got a giga chin.

01:32:12.000 He's got a giga chin.

01:32:14.000 His chin is like fucking, ah!

01:32:16.000 Fucking hit me.

01:32:17.000 You can take a shot, like, you can take a shot.

01:32:18.000 Like nobody's business.

01:32:19.000 But I think Charles is probably going to do the same thing as what he's done to Max.

01:32:24.000 Perhaps, but Diego's really good on the ground.

01:32:27.000 Yeah, he almost submitted Evil Web a couple of times.

01:32:29.000 Scrambling's great.

01:32:30.000 Yeah, he scrambles our positions.

01:32:32.000 Scrambling, conditioning, strength, and I think he's also a very big 145 who's really belonged at 55 for a while.

01:32:40.000 Charles will be bigger than him, though, won't he?

01:32:42.000 Yeah, Charles will be bigger.

01:32:42.000 Yeah.

01:32:43.000 But Charles started at 45 as well.

01:32:45.000 But Charles against Max.

01:32:47.000 Bro, he would get into that clinch, and I was like, Max is fucked here.

01:32:50.000 Like, it doesn't seem like he could do anything to me.

01:32:52.000 He was just ragdolling on the way, and he was just getting him, and Max wouldn't do anything.

01:32:55.000 Surprising.

01:32:56.000 I was very shocked.

01:32:57.000 No one's ever done that to Max.

01:32:58.000 And Max as well, like, is Max just sitting out waiting for Connor?

01:33:02.000 Because he's ranked fourth.

01:33:06.000 Know what I mean?

01:33:07.000 At this time in his career, he might want to do that.

01:33:10.000 You know, he probably only has a few more left in him, and the Connor one is obviously a money fight.

01:33:14.000 It's a money fight.

01:33:16.000 Do you see Connor's bare knuckle fight?

01:33:19.000 Thing he did the other day in Glasgow?

01:33:21.000 So he, they had a bare knuckle fight in Glasgow.

01:33:21.000 No.

01:33:24.000 I was going to be saying that he wants to fight.

01:33:26.000 Well, he was just hammered at the press conference.

01:33:28.000 Hammered.

01:33:29.000 Talking crazy shit.

01:33:30.000 If I hit you with these hammers, he's just fucking going nuts.

01:33:34.000 He was cracking open a Guinness or whatever he has, whatever his.

01:33:38.000 Forged out there.

01:33:39.000 Yeah, I don't know what he was drinking, but he was drinking and he was just getting crazy and just talking mad shit.

01:33:46.000 That was beer, right?

01:33:48.000 That was beer.

01:33:49.000 I don't think it was an energy drink.

01:33:49.000 It's like Guinness.

01:33:51.000 Guinness isn't beer, is it?

01:33:53.000 No, it's called something else.

01:33:53.000 It isn't.

01:33:56.000 Yeah, Stout.

01:33:57.000 Yeah.

01:33:58.000 Yeah, he wasn't drinking Guinness.

01:33:59.000 He'd be drinking his own, right?

01:34:02.000 Give me some of this.

01:34:02.000 Look at him.

01:34:04.000 Give me some of this.

01:34:06.000 Well, if you're a world caliber fighter, you've got one more fight.

01:34:10.000 Look at his eyes.

01:34:11.000 Who would you like to have that with?

01:34:13.000 It has to be Holloway.

01:34:14.000 It has to be just do the fucking thing again.

01:34:16.000 Just do the thing again.

01:34:17.000 The guy didn't engage once.

01:34:19.000 He's the one that called for the stoppage of the fight.

01:34:21.000 What if when he said ref, ref, ref, he's stopping the fight?

01:34:25.000 So I imagine I'd have just said yes, yay, and jumped the fence.

01:34:28.000 I won, he doesn't want to fucking fight.

01:34:30.000 I done him on the one leg.

01:34:33.000 He wasn't coming near me.

01:34:34.000 It was just so shocking and so heartbreaking to me.

01:34:38.000 I'm still fucking dealing with it.

01:34:39.000 But it has to be Holloway.

01:34:41.000 Come on, just fucking dust it off.

01:34:43.000 Read the way.

01:34:44.000 What's it now?

01:34:44.000 I'm on my way back.

01:34:45.000 November?

01:34:46.000 November?

01:34:46.000 What's it now?

01:34:47.000 Three months I am over surgery.

01:34:49.000 I done this injury before and returned within nine months.

01:34:54.000 So nine months is pre summer.

01:34:57.000 He looked big there as well, doesn't he?

01:34:59.000 Yeah.

01:35:00.000 Holloway might be a jackass.

01:35:01.000 Something might happen.

01:35:03.000 I don't know.

01:35:04.000 But a fighter that fights me, put some respect on my name.

01:35:07.000 If you're not a world champion fighter, if you've not got world acolytes to your name, don't even utter my fucking name.

01:35:13.000 Because if you're a national champion, if you're a fucking regional champion, if you've done fuck up, got a few likes, go fuck yourself.

01:35:21.000 Don't mention my fucking name unless you're a world caliber fighter.

01:35:25.000 Ah, well, listen, man, in his prime, in his prime, when you talk about like the Eddie Alvarez fight in particular when he was in the Matrix, it was one of the greatest performances of the season.

01:35:35.000 I think he would have beat anyone that night.

01:35:37.000 Anyone?

01:35:38.000 He was on fire.

01:35:40.000 There's just so many factors that have led to his slide.

01:35:44.000 And I think the big one was that fight with Floyd Bewitt.

01:35:47.000 I don't think he ever should have done that.

01:35:49.000 Well, obviously, it made a hundred million dollars.

01:35:52.000 Yeah, he made a lot of money, but.

01:35:54.000 Was it Marvin Langford who said it's hard to get out of bed when you're wearing silk pajamas?

01:35:57.000 Yeah, it is, but you can still do it.

01:35:59.000 Floyd did it.

01:36:00.000 Yeah.

01:36:01.000 Floyd would still get out of bed.

01:36:02.000 He always had debts to pay, though, didn't he?

01:36:04.000 Yeah.

01:36:05.000 Yeah.

01:36:06.000 I mean, he blows all his money, though.

01:36:08.000 That's what I mean.

01:36:09.000 He runs out of his money and he's like, shit, I need to fight again.

01:36:11.000 Oh, he's going to fight again now.

01:36:12.000 They're talking about him fighting Ryan Garcia.

01:36:14.000 Which is crazy.

01:36:15.000 Yeah, that is crazy.

01:36:16.000 I think that's crazy.

01:36:17.000 He's 50 years old.

01:36:19.000 I mean, as good as Floyd is, boy, if he could somehow or another even be competitive with Ryan Garcia.

01:36:26.000 Isn't Manny Pacquiao meant to be fighting someone again?

01:36:29.000 Yeah.

01:36:30.000 Bro, Manny's still fighting.

01:36:32.000 Yeah.

01:36:32.000 I mean, isn't it Floyd?

01:36:33.000 He was like the president of the Philippines or something.

01:36:37.000 He was in the Congress or something.

01:36:39.000 Where was he?

01:36:40.000 The senator or something like that.

01:36:40.000 Over there.

01:36:42.000 Yeah.

01:36:42.000 Something big.

01:36:43.000 Senator.

01:36:44.000 Senator.

01:36:44.000 Yeah.

01:36:45.000 And then he's just still boxing.

01:36:47.000 Still boxing.

01:36:48.000 Still playing pool every day.

01:36:48.000 Yeah.

01:36:50.000 He plays pool and chess at the same time.

01:36:53.000 It's the wildest thing you've ever seen.

01:36:54.000 He has a pool hall in his compound.

01:36:56.000 So, in his compound, he has a pool hall.

01:36:58.000 Pool hall is filled with people.

01:37:00.000 He's playing pool.

01:37:01.000 He plays really good pool, like professional level pool.

01:37:04.000 And while he's playing pool, in the middle of that, he's playing chess.

01:37:06.000 So, he's got a chess board on the side.

01:37:08.000 When his opponent's shooting, he goes over, he's gambling.

01:37:11.000 So, he's gambling on chess and he's gambling on pool.

01:37:14.000 So, while his opponent's playing, he goes over there.

01:37:16.000 He moves the chessboard and then people come over for things for him to sign.

01:37:20.000 So he got boxing gloves, he's signing boxing gloves, he's signing pool queues.

01:37:23.000 It's crazy to watch, man.

01:37:25.000 That's something I've never got into, you know, chess.

01:37:28.000 It's a tough game.

01:37:29.000 I don't know how to play it.

01:37:30.000 I've never got into it.

01:37:31.000 But me, the videographer, Blaze, he's always playing it on the app on his phone.

01:37:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:37:36.000 He keeps trying to get me into it and I'm just like, nah.

01:37:40.000 The problem I have with chess is that it's one of those games that it is a long learning curve.

01:37:45.000 And if you're a competitive person, if you get excited by games, you're going to get lost.

01:37:49.000 Yeah.

01:37:50.000 You're going to get lost in chess.

01:37:51.000 You'll start taking lessons and start reading books.

01:37:53.000 And the next, you know, it's like three or four hours every day is dedicated to chess.

01:37:57.000 You know, I have some friends that are obsessed.

01:37:59.000 I remember people saying, Jiu Jitsu is like chess.

01:38:02.000 But then I can remember Paul saying to me, It's not.

01:38:05.000 Jiu Jitsu is like chess if you drown him.

01:38:08.000 It's like playing chess while you drown him.

01:38:10.000 Yeah.

01:38:11.000 Yeah.

01:38:12.000 Also, there's way more ways you can move.

01:38:15.000 The thing about chess is, like, you get a chance to think about all the different positions.

01:38:20.000 And, like, Jiu Jitsu, this is just like.

01:38:22.000 You go this way because he knew you were going to go this way.

01:38:25.000 And then you go that way and he knew you were going to go that way.

01:38:28.000 And then you have to escape that way, but that's already blocked.

01:38:31.000 So then you have to figure out what to do.

01:38:33.000 And then it's constantly evolving and changing and shifting.

01:38:36.000 And if someone's got a weird game, like they do some shit that you haven't seen before, you know, like it can, jujitsu is infinite.

01:38:46.000 And there's always new moves.

01:38:47.000 There's always new moves.

01:38:48.000 It's always evolving.

01:38:49.000 That's the thing I always say.

01:38:50.000 There's always a new answer to a position where you're like, oh, wait a minute.

01:38:55.000 I never even saw that before.

01:38:57.000 How does that work?

01:38:58.000 And you see people pull stuff off.

01:39:00.000 Like, this is just like this.

01:39:01.000 This sport is never ending.

01:39:03.000 I don't even, I'll be honest, nowadays, because of MMA, I don't really roll that much anymore without strikes.

01:39:11.000 And whenever we roll, we've got gloves on showing strikes.

01:39:15.000 Big fat ones, yeah, the eight ounce ones, yeah, eight ounce spa masters.

01:39:20.000 The only problem with those is like it limits certain things, it does, yeah, it does limit things.

01:39:24.000 But if you, I feel like if you just do jiu jitsu and you don't even like.

01:39:30.000 If we're just doing it with no gloves on, we'll show.

01:39:33.000 Right.

01:39:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:34.000 But even when you show stuff, people don't move.

01:39:36.000 Right.

01:39:37.000 But when you've got a glove on and you're punching someone in the fucking face, they're going to move.

01:39:41.000 Yeah.

01:39:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:42.000 Yeah.

01:39:42.000 Well, it goes back to what we were talking about, like knees to the head of a grounded opponent.

01:39:45.000 Like, there's certain things that are just not realistic.

01:39:48.000 Like, when people are going for leg locks and you're in a position where someone's got your leg, but their head is right there.

01:39:54.000 Yeah.

01:39:54.000 It's in jujitsu.

01:39:55.000 It's like, listen, this is crazy.

01:39:56.000 That's.

01:39:57.000 Because this would be boom.

01:39:58.000 That's what I always say.

01:39:59.000 Like, if someone tries to heel hook me in a fight, I'm just.

01:40:03.000 I'm not going to tap.

01:40:04.000 I'm just going to punch them in the face repeatedly.

01:40:07.000 Did you ever see one of your countrymen, Ian Freeman, fight against Frank Meir?

01:40:15.000 Yeah.

01:40:16.000 And Frank was going for the heel hook.

01:40:17.000 And he just pounded him out.

01:40:18.000 And Ian Freeman just pounded him out.

01:40:20.000 Yeah.

01:40:20.000 That was, I think, the first UFC event in the UK.

01:40:23.000 Yeah.

01:40:24.000 His daughter's in the UFC now, isn't she?

01:40:26.000 Yeah, she is.

01:40:26.000 Well, she's on the contender show, right?

01:40:30.000 I don't know if she just got signed.

01:40:32.000 She was Cage Warriors Champion.

01:40:34.000 She was Cage Warriors Champion.

01:40:34.000 Wow.

01:40:36.000 Wow.

01:40:36.000 First ever father daughter to be Cage Warriors champion.

01:40:39.000 That's incredible.

01:40:40.000 That's incredible.

01:40:41.000 But yeah, she's in the UFC now.

01:40:43.000 I think she was meant to fight and then got injured, the son.

01:40:45.000 Wow.

01:40:47.000 Frank Mears' daughter's fighting too.

01:40:50.000 She lost, though, didn't she?

01:40:51.000 Yeah, she lost in the Contender Series.

01:40:54.000 Imagine they end up fighting each other.

01:40:57.000 That would be crazy.

01:40:58.000 Are they in the same weight class?

01:41:00.000 I don't think so.

01:41:01.000 I think Kennedy will be bigger than Frank's daughter.

01:41:04.000 What are the weight classes for women in Cage Warriors?

01:41:08.000 Did they get to featherweight?

01:41:10.000 I think they have in the past.

01:41:11.000 There's no featherweight title, I don't think, but they've got to featherweight in the past.

01:41:15.000 But it's 115, 125, 135.

01:41:18.000 Kind of crazy that the UFC doesn't have a featherweight champion anymore.

01:41:21.000 Yeah.

01:41:21.000 That to me is like.

01:41:22.000 There's not that many women, really, though, is there?

01:41:26.000 I guess not.

01:41:27.000 I guess not, but I mean, I feel like.

01:41:29.000 We've got a girl in our gym now who probably will fight it that way, to be honest.

01:41:32.000 Yeah.

01:41:33.000 Two time IMAF world champion.

01:41:35.000 Well, that's like this Kayla Harrison fight this weekend with Amanda Nunes.

01:41:40.000 She really shouldn't be fighting at 135.

01:41:42.000 She's so big.

01:41:43.000 Kayla is so strong.

01:41:45.000 And she has to kill herself to get to 35.

01:41:48.000 And like barely made it for the last fight against Juliana Pena.

01:41:51.000 Like she gets to death's door to make one.

01:41:54.000 She's only made it twice, hasn't she, so far?

01:41:57.000 I believe so.

01:41:57.000 A debut and then the title fight.

01:41:58.000 Yeah, yeah, I believe so.

01:42:00.000 It's hard, man.

01:42:01.000 It's hard for her.

01:42:02.000 When you meet her in real life, that's a strong woman.

01:42:02.000 It's a real struggle.

01:42:05.000 Yeah.

01:42:05.000 Like she's got bigger shoulders than me.

01:42:07.000 She's thick.

01:42:08.000 I remember meeting her when we, because she was meant to fight Amanda in January, wasn't she, when I fought Justin?

01:42:14.000 So when we were doing all the press stuff before it, They were there doing the same stuff.

01:42:18.000 Know what I mean?

01:42:19.000 Yeah.

01:42:20.000 And I think she's got bigger arms than me.

01:42:22.000 She's a tank.

01:42:23.000 She's a unit.

01:42:24.000 And when she gets in there, I would like to know what she weighs once she steps into the cage.

01:42:29.000 At least 55.

01:42:31.000 At least 55.

01:42:32.000 At least.

01:42:33.000 I would say that.

01:42:35.000 I'd say 65, 70.

01:42:37.000 That's.

01:42:38.000 Yeah.

01:42:39.000 The UFC actually DM'd me the body account the other day saying, who do you think's going to win, Kay?

01:42:44.000 The Royal Thingy Owen.

01:42:45.000 I haven't even responded.

01:42:47.000 Because I don't know who's going to win that fight.

01:42:50.000 Well, I can't pick a winner then.

01:42:51.000 Amanda hasn't fought in quite a while, so you have to wonder does she experience some ring rust?

01:42:58.000 Is she just so good?

01:43:01.000 And she's the greatest of all time, right?

01:43:03.000 Is she so experienced that she'll just be able to lock right in?

01:43:06.000 She's done it so many times.

01:43:08.000 It's going to be about 18 months since Kayla's last force as well, though, isn't it?

01:43:11.000 And then the big neck surgery, which is a big one.

01:43:11.000 That's true.

01:43:14.000 Son of a man.

01:43:15.000 She had a disc replaced in her neck.

01:43:16.000 I couldn't pick a winner there, me.

01:43:18.000 The thing is, on the stand up, Amanda has such an advantage.

01:43:23.000 You go to the cyborg fight when Amanda knocked out cyborg.

01:43:26.000 Like, holy shit, man.

01:43:27.000 If you knock out cyborg like that.

01:43:29.000 I mean, Cyborg was a fucking destroyer.

01:43:32.000 She still hasn't been knocked out since, has she?

01:43:34.000 That's the only person she's ever knocked out.

01:43:35.000 That's it.

01:43:36.000 Yeah, and Amanda slept her.

01:43:37.000 Just boom.

01:43:39.000 Amanda, she's got fucking hammers, man.

01:43:43.000 She beats out her own game in that one as well, didn't she?

01:43:45.000 Because they both just started playing with each other.

01:43:47.000 Well, Amanda's more than willing, more than willing to slug it out.

01:43:51.000 Like, she wasn't scared of Cyborg.

01:43:52.000 Yeah.

01:43:53.000 But she just knows.

01:43:54.000 Like, you know how it is.

01:43:55.000 Like, it's weird how some people just have weird power.

01:43:59.000 They just have weird power.

01:44:00.000 Like, a friend of mine's ex girlfriend.

01:44:03.000 He was telling me, I was like, bro, you know that machine?

01:44:05.000 You know the machine where you punch it?

01:44:07.000 He's like, she hits it, she fucks guys up.

01:44:09.000 I'm like, no way, really?

01:44:10.000 And he goes, yeah, let her hit your hand.

01:44:12.000 And I go, okay, go ahead, hit my hand.

01:44:13.000 This chick hauls back, fucking, blop!

01:44:18.000 And I go, oh shit.

01:44:20.000 I like, I like, that could knock me out.

01:44:22.000 Like, she hit my hand.

01:44:23.000 I was like, oh my God, like, that could, if you weren't looking and she catches you on the skin, she'll spark you right out.

01:44:29.000 I was like, that's crazy.

01:44:31.000 Like, the hardest woman I've ever seen punch.

01:44:34.000 I'm like, this is nuts.

01:44:36.000 Wasn't an athlete.

01:44:36.000 She was when she was younger.

01:44:38.000 She wasn't boxing.

01:44:39.000 I think, well, even for me, I think pound for pound, the hardest punch I've ever been hit with is by my mate who's a boxer.

01:44:46.000 He's fighting for a world title next weekend, actually, Brandon Dayard.

01:44:49.000 He changed to my boxing coach, Chris Williams.

01:44:51.000 And it was in like COVID.

01:44:53.000 I was just having a little spar with him, even though I was like 20k heavier than him.

01:44:56.000 He fights at like 55k or something like that.

01:44:59.000 Glad to get me with a shot.

01:45:00.000 And I was looking at him, and my head looked at the wall, and then come back.

01:45:04.000 Pound for pound, it's by far.

01:45:06.000 The hardest punch I've ever been hit with.

01:45:08.000 That's nice.

01:45:08.000 Definitely.

01:45:09.000 And Laddie fights at like 52 kilo.

01:45:11.000 There's certain guys that just have, you know, what Farah Sahabi calls the touch of death.

01:45:16.000 It's like Damien Pinas, the middleweight guy.

01:45:19.000 He fought on the same card as me.

01:45:20.000 Bro.

01:45:22.000 That guy's ridiculous.

01:45:24.000 He's ridiculous.

01:45:26.000 Luke's a bit like that, to be fair.

01:45:27.000 True.

01:45:28.000 People laughed at me when I said, they asked me if it's harder.

01:45:31.000 Is Gagey the hardest person who's ever hit you?

01:45:33.000 I'm like, no, Luke hits me in the gym.

01:45:35.000 That's crazy.

01:45:36.000 I think Luke hits harder.

01:45:38.000 If Luke hit me with four ounces on, it's different from when Gage hit me with four ounces on.

01:45:42.000 Really?

01:45:42.000 Definitely.

01:45:43.000 I think it's just because of his timing.

01:45:45.000 He's been fighting tight since he was like five, six years old and then moved into boxing and was boxing from like 12, 13 to like 16.

01:45:53.000 So he's just always done striking.

01:45:55.000 And when he gets his timing on you, it's timing.

01:45:58.000 Timing's everything.

01:45:59.000 He's accurate, he's timing, and he's precise.

01:46:02.000 It's like he's not proper powerful, but put all them things like McGregor.

01:46:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:08.000 Right, right, right.

01:46:10.000 Yeah.

01:46:11.000 It's bone structure too, right?

01:46:12.000 It's like there's certain just things about the way some people are built.

01:46:15.000 They just hit harder.

01:46:17.000 There's a lot of factors, you know.

01:46:20.000 Like, it's mad now, obviously, because he mashed my face up.

01:46:22.000 Yeah.

01:46:23.000 But I don't think he hit that hard.

01:46:23.000 Gaugey.

01:46:25.000 Really?

01:46:26.000 I don't think he hit that hard, no.

01:46:27.000 He never hurt me.

01:46:30.000 Know what I mean?

01:46:32.000 He never had you stop.

01:46:33.000 He never had me where it was like.

01:46:33.000 He was in trouble.

01:46:34.000 Shit, what's going on here?

01:46:35.000 Know what I mean?

01:46:36.000 Obviously, the one.

01:46:39.000 The right hand after he poked me in the eye when I went down off that.

01:46:43.000 I reckon the grounding pound he hit me with after it ate more than the actual shots.

01:46:47.000 But where I went like that, and then he hit me with that shot, and I didn't see it coming, and I went down.

01:46:52.000 But he hit me with a lovely punch to the chest in that sequence.

01:46:55.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:55.000 He started down my fist to me and I got away a bit and he went whack and got me round the chest.

01:46:59.000 I was like, You cunts.

01:47:02.000 Like, he dazed me a bit there, but that was more the grounding part.

01:47:06.000 So, who's the hardest puncher that you fought inside the cage in the Octagon?

01:47:12.000 In the UFC.

01:47:13.000 In the UFC, yeah.

01:47:14.000 I don't think anyone's hit me that hard.

01:47:17.000 Really?

01:47:18.000 Yeah.

01:47:19.000 Probably the best puncher I've ever been hit with, I reckon, is probably my debut, Luigi Vendamini.

01:47:23.000 When he hit me and, like, it didn't rock me, but, like, it hit me head.

01:47:27.000 Me had my hair done that, you know what I mean?

01:47:29.000 And everyone was like, oh, he's rocked, he's rocked.

01:47:30.000 But I just like took a step back, threw a shot at him, and he shot in.

01:47:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:34.000 That was probably the best.

01:47:35.000 I reckon that's the best punch I've been hit with in the UFC in my debut.

01:47:39.000 Because then after that, I didn't really get hit that much until I fought Jared.

01:47:43.000 But that fight with Jared, I think I underestimated him.

01:47:48.000 I went in there thinking I was trying to beat him.

01:47:50.000 I didn't have to worry about it, you know what I mean?

01:47:53.000 And he came in with a great game plan.

01:47:55.000 He had a very good left hook.

01:47:56.000 And that was something I always used to get hit with.

01:47:56.000 Yeah.

01:47:59.000 I don't think I get it with it as much now.

01:48:01.000 And I had to work on it because of that fight.

01:48:03.000 But he'd fought one of my former teammates who used to train with us.

01:48:10.000 And he won a decision against them.

01:48:14.000 And I used to just absolutely rip the shit out of this person in the gym.

01:48:19.000 So I thought he took a round off him as if Jared's going to get near me.

01:48:19.000 Know what I mean?

01:48:24.000 Know what I mean?

01:48:24.000 Right.

01:48:25.000 When MMA Matt doesn't work.

01:48:27.000 And I knew that myself.

01:48:28.000 And I shouldn't have thought like that.

01:48:30.000 But I just went into that type thinking.

01:48:33.000 This is going to be easy.

01:48:33.000 I'm going to win this.

01:48:34.000 Know what I mean?

01:48:35.000 Like, I didn't train hard for it.

01:48:37.000 I still, like, trained hard, done everything right.

01:48:38.000 But I just, like, went in there thinking, this is going to be easy.

01:48:44.000 And then, obviously, in my ankle, like, a minute in, I didn't have, like, I couldn't move properly.

01:48:51.000 And I still thought, even with a fucked up ankle, that, no, this is going to be easy.

01:48:54.000 This is going to be easy.

01:48:55.000 Because it was a little bit twingy before the fight.

01:48:57.000 My ankle, like, I ended up getting inner ligament reconstruction, outer ligament reconstruction, and something done to the LCL.

01:49:05.000 Oh, wow.

01:49:05.000 I had like three surgeries.

01:49:06.000 After that fight, I had three surgeries and one.

01:49:08.000 Is that why you were out for a year?

01:49:09.000 Yeah.

01:49:10.000 Like, I've got a big naughty scar on my ankle there.

01:49:14.000 Ankles are a big one, too.

01:49:15.000 That's a hard one to get.

01:49:16.000 It's like a Halloween scar.

01:49:17.000 It's like a line and dots on the outside.

01:49:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:20.000 It's like a proper Halloween scar.

01:49:21.000 It's bad.

01:49:22.000 Like, I couldn't walk.

01:49:23.000 Like, I couldn't walk properly for months.

01:49:25.000 I had a big boot on, I was on crutches and that.

01:49:27.000 That's, yeah, I got terribly depressed after that one.

01:49:30.000 Like, terribly.

01:49:31.000 Because I think I might have gone on all day after I come home after I get surgery.

01:49:38.000 And lab for the first week or two, I couldn't even go upstairs.

01:49:42.000 I was better, like couch bound, sleeping on the couch every night.

01:49:45.000 Wow, know what I mean?

01:49:46.000 And couldn't train.

01:49:48.000 Like, if I've got a bad hand at the minute, but I'm still in the gym every day, impeds at the other hand, kicks, knees, elbows, doing stuff.

01:49:55.000 When you do something to one of your feet, you can't do nothing, you can't run.

01:50:01.000 I couldn't even ride a bike, know what I mean?

01:50:03.000 Like, I had a big boot on.

01:50:05.000 That's like one of the worst times I've ever had because I couldn't do nothing for like three months.

01:50:12.000 So, what did you do just like, so I was like, after that fight was when I got the worst backlash of my life, you know what I mean?

01:50:18.000 Because everyone thought Jared won, and everyone was hating on me, and I was just sat in my living room, just like, oh no, watching the telly.

01:50:25.000 Like, I couldn't get my frustrations, I was on nothing.

01:50:28.000 What did you do with your time?

01:50:29.000 Just watch television?

01:50:30.000 That's all I had to do, yeah.

01:50:32.000 So, you couldn't do push ups, you couldn't do nothing?

01:50:34.000 No.

01:50:35.000 Wow.

01:50:37.000 I couldn't do anything because of the boot on my foot.

01:50:40.000 Even if I would have gone for the first couple of weeks, after a couple of weeks, I could do like press ups, but the first couple of weeks.

01:50:45.000 Even getting down to put the pressure on that foot would hurt.

01:50:49.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:51.000 I was taking all sorts of tablets to try and get over the pain and that.

01:50:56.000 It was rough.

01:50:57.000 Like pills?

01:50:58.000 Yeah.

01:50:58.000 Like pain pill, like opiates?

01:51:00.000 Yeah, like Tramadol and that.

01:51:01.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:51:02.000 Because it was bad.

01:51:04.000 Yeah, I could imagine.

01:51:05.000 I mean, that kind of a reconstruction, ankles are really tricky.

01:51:08.000 It's a tricky ligament or a tricky joint.

01:51:11.000 I didn't know if I'd end up fighting when I fought Tony that year, the next year, because that was for Jared in 22 and for Tony at the same event the next year, the 23 December.

01:51:22.000 I didn't even know if I'd fight in 2023 because of my ankle.

01:51:25.000 Wow.

01:51:26.000 Like they were saying, we don't know if you'll be able to.

01:51:29.000 And then.

01:51:29.000 So, how long did it take to completely rehabilitate it to the point we started training again?

01:51:33.000 I didn't start training again until like July.

01:51:36.000 So, how many months?

01:51:39.000 I got it in like end of January, February.

01:51:41.000 It was like six months.

01:51:42.000 Wow.

01:51:43.000 Because I got married in May.

01:51:45.000 So, a good seven months.

01:51:45.000 I got married in May.

01:51:47.000 And I had like, I just about got the boot off.

01:51:47.000 Yeah.

01:51:50.000 Like a week before I got married, they said you can take the boot off.

01:51:54.000 I remember walking outside me from going and throwing in the bin like that, you know what I mean?

01:51:57.000 Like celebrating.

01:51:58.000 I was like, fuck cunts.

01:52:00.000 And then I got married and that.

01:52:02.000 And I got back to training.

01:52:04.000 But at first, I wasn't even, at first, I was just like boxing and being dead careful with my movements and stuff.

01:52:11.000 Wasn't doing anything else.

01:52:12.000 And then I started to like work everything in.

01:52:15.000 I can remember the first sparring session I'd done when I came back.

01:52:19.000 Sparred one of the lads in the gym.

01:52:21.000 He fights on PFL and Aldi and Gittins, former Cage Warriors World Champ.

01:52:25.000 And it was like the third round, and he was only a bantam weight.

01:52:28.000 He had no one else to go with.

01:52:29.000 I went, Ah, come head, third round.

01:52:29.000 I didn't.

01:52:31.000 I was gassing him as it was, and he is an absolute machine.

01:52:34.000 He just walks forward and just punches you.

01:52:34.000 He's one of them.

01:52:36.000 Never forget it.

01:52:37.000 Third round.

01:52:38.000 I was just like, Getting just walking at me, punching me.

01:52:41.000 I hadn't sparred in like six months.

01:52:43.000 I remember Vince saying to Paul, Might have to pull him out of here, you know, because he's tired.

01:52:47.000 He hasn't sparred in six months.

01:52:49.000 And Paul went, You can if you want, but I'm not going to be the one that takes the brunt of that.

01:52:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:54.000 Because they knew I'd flip.

01:52:55.000 And I had to just stand there like that, swinging at the end, just walked over, lying on the floor.

01:53:00.000 I was like, I'm fucked.

01:53:03.000 Well, there's only one way to do it.

01:53:06.000 Did you do any rehabilitation of the knee or the.

01:53:09.000 Yeah, I had to do quite a bit of stuff.

01:53:12.000 I should have done more though.

01:53:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:15.000 It's mad that even in the past three years, I feel like I've grown up a lot.

01:53:19.000 I think having kids plays a big part in that.

01:53:21.000 But even before, even when I was like 27, 28, I was still like 12 in the head.

01:53:28.000 Yeah.

01:53:29.000 Well, especially when you're young, and then you also don't have a regular job.

01:53:32.000 Yeah.

01:53:33.000 You're a fighter.

01:53:34.000 So you're a wild person.

01:53:36.000 You're just a wild person who's good at this wild thing, and you can kind of be a kid.

01:53:42.000 You know, that's one of the weird things that Josh Hoket was saying for this weekend.

01:53:46.000 He's like, one of the things that he tries to do is always act like a kid, like keep everything playful.

01:53:52.000 Like he wants to be, it's like a weird method to some of this madness.

01:53:56.000 Like he draws all these pictures, he has like these.

01:53:59.000 Comic book pictures he draws and like he acts weird.

01:54:03.000 I just think he's a wanker.

01:54:06.000 He's sparring.

01:54:07.000 I was watching the countdown show and he's sparring and he doesn't have his mouthpiece in.

01:54:12.000 He's got his mouthpiece, but he's biting down on it like this.

01:54:15.000 Like it's hanging out of his mouth.

01:54:17.000 Like his mouthpiece is hanging out of his mouth.

01:54:20.000 What?

01:54:20.000 That's just stupid.

01:54:21.000 I don't understand what he's doing.

01:54:23.000 It's like his mouthpiece is all chewed up.

01:54:26.000 And he's, I guess, it keeps your teeth from hitting each other.

01:54:30.000 But that's it.

01:54:31.000 It doesn't keep your lips from getting smashed into your teeth.

01:54:34.000 I just don't understand it.

01:54:35.000 And he's sparring that way.

01:54:37.000 But, you know, he looks good, man.

01:54:40.000 I just hope Siddle Gunn saves the heavyweight division.

01:54:44.000 And I don't really want to say that about Sailor Gang because he beats, well, he didn't beat Tom, but he made Tom vacate his belt.

01:54:50.000 That was a travesty.

01:54:51.000 And Tom's a friend.

01:54:54.000 To this day, I don't like how that was handled.

01:54:58.000 And I don't like even the notion that somehow or another he could have been able to continue.

01:55:04.000 That is not the thing we should be saying, and anybody should be saying.

01:55:08.000 When someone's fingers drive knuckle deep into your fucking eyeballs, it That should not be the conversation.

01:55:15.000 But I half hated it a few months later when people used, like, me as an example to say, Oh, Paddy carried on when Justin poked him in the eye.

01:55:21.000 It's like, Yeah, this is two completely different things.

01:55:24.000 Every eye poke's different.

01:55:25.000 Every eye poke's different, exactly.

01:55:26.000 Yeah, that's what people don't understand.

01:55:27.000 Like, the one that didn't look as bad hurt him more.

01:55:31.000 Yeah.

01:55:32.000 Eye pokes are fucking terrible.

01:55:34.000 I think they should be a non negotiable one to one.

01:55:36.000 You should just get a point takeaway.

01:55:38.000 On a second eye poke, you're disqualified.

01:55:40.000 I just think.

01:55:42.000 In the back, you get a warning about the eye poke.

01:55:44.000 So.

01:55:44.000 Yeah.

01:55:45.000 That's your warning.

01:55:46.000 Yeah.

01:55:47.000 You shouldn't get another warning.

01:55:48.000 As soon as you light poke someone, you should just get it tucked.

01:55:50.000 Just extending your hands like that on someone's face is an obvious move.

01:55:54.000 Like, it's obvious.

01:55:55.000 And people do it, and they do it on purpose sometimes.

01:55:58.000 And that's, we all need to understand that.

01:56:01.000 Sometimes it's inadvertent.

01:56:02.000 Sometimes it's accidental.

01:56:04.000 All that is true.

01:56:05.000 Most times it's accidental.

01:56:07.000 However, there are guys who will poke you in the fucking eye.

01:56:11.000 I remember when, was it Jillian Murphy?

01:56:16.000 Was fighting Priscilla Koshwera.

01:56:19.000 Koshweda, yeah.

01:56:20.000 Remember that?

01:56:20.000 Yeah.

01:56:21.000 And Koshweda stuck her fucking thumb deep into her eye as she's getting choked.

01:56:26.000 She found her eye and shoved her fucking thumb.

01:56:29.000 That's a straight DQ right away.

01:56:31.000 Should be.

01:56:32.000 But she was already losing.

01:56:33.000 She was already getting strangled and she wound up tapping.

01:56:33.000 Yeah.

01:56:36.000 But you should not be fighting anymore in that organization.

01:56:39.000 Yeah.

01:56:40.000 That is like a blatant foul, a foul that could ruin someone's career.

01:56:45.000 Like, look at Aspinall's had how many fucking surgeries now?

01:56:48.000 Yeah.

01:56:49.000 He's had about three or four surgeries or something like that.

01:56:51.000 That's crazy.

01:56:52.000 That's crazy.

01:56:54.000 And who knows if he's ever going to be able to fight again.

01:56:56.000 And I think that's probably like, them eye pokes like that are probably worse than what Paul Daly done.

01:57:02.000 And he never got to fight in UFC ever again.

01:57:02.000 Yes.

01:57:05.000 Crazy.

01:57:05.000 I mean, all he did was take a swing after the fight.

01:57:07.000 I don't even think he connected.

01:57:09.000 He fully missed.

01:57:09.000 No, he didn't.

01:57:10.000 Here it is.

01:57:11.000 Yeah, that's disgusting.

01:57:12.000 So watch this.

01:57:13.000 Look, she finds the eye.

01:57:15.000 Look, she shoves it deep in there.

01:57:17.000 That is crazy, man.

01:57:19.000 That is absolutely crazy.

01:57:20.000 That is such an absolutely blatant foul.

01:57:24.000 And a foul that's been done.

01:57:25.000 She's already done it and then she does it again.

01:57:27.000 She does it again.

01:57:28.000 No, no, this is just a replay of it.

01:57:30.000 She does it twice.

01:57:31.000 She does it twice.

01:57:32.000 Oh, God.

01:57:32.000 She does it twice.

01:57:33.000 Well, she gets away.

01:57:34.000 She gets away and then she does it again.

01:57:37.000 Twice she's done it.

01:57:38.000 The referee, Chris Dione, should be on that.

01:57:41.000 I think Molly beats her, didn't she?

01:57:44.000 I'm sure Molly beat that Priscilla Cashway.

01:57:46.000 I'm certain she did.

01:57:48.000 Crazy.

01:57:50.000 Nothing will have been said about that right away, though, just because she still won.

01:57:54.000 Right.

01:57:54.000 She still won, but still.

01:57:55.000 Wait, if that would have changed the direction of the fight, that would have been so.

01:57:58.000 Yeah, what if she screamed and fell back and covered her eye and the other girl punches?

01:58:03.000 That's a blatant one, that like blatant.

01:58:05.000 Ultra, ultra blatant.

01:58:06.000 And like, so we know that people poke people in the eyes on purpose.

01:58:11.000 So it has to be like the strictest of fouls, like one point deduction immediately, because it could blind you.

01:58:18.000 Even if you get kicked in the nuts, I think people, like Derek Lewis has famously said he'd need people in the nuts on purpose so he could catch a break.

01:58:27.000 I was tired.

01:58:28.000 He is hilarious.

01:58:31.000 He's so funny.

01:58:32.000 But it's like, boy, Josh Hoke put it on him that fight.

01:58:35.000 But even with ball shots, he can be a little bit like that.

01:58:40.000 You can recover from a ball shot.

01:58:42.000 Like, I don't, when I fall back.

01:58:43.000 Yeah, see what he's doing with his mouth?

01:58:45.000 Yeah, that's the end of the piece, though.

01:58:46.000 That's like the tab.

01:58:48.000 Oh, you know what it is?

01:58:49.000 It's like a football mouthpiece.

01:58:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:58:51.000 That's what I was thinking, too.

01:58:52.000 Even football players sort of wear them the way you're describing, and I was wondering what it was, but that's what I was thinking.

01:58:56.000 But look, it's not even in, though.

01:58:58.000 See, when he opens his mouth and it falls back, it looks like a chewed up mouthpiece, man.

01:59:04.000 It sticks out too much.

01:59:04.000 Look at it.

01:59:07.000 I don't know what that is, man.

01:59:10.000 I hope that's just a mouthpiece and a tab, a big tab.

01:59:13.000 But that looks weird.

01:59:15.000 Like when he opens his mouth, it like falls.

01:59:17.000 It like falls down when he opens his mouth.

01:59:17.000 See what I'm saying?

01:59:19.000 It means it's not fit right.

01:59:21.000 If it is a mouthpiece with a tab.

01:59:23.000 So look at that.

01:59:23.000 Oh, yeah, no, that's not.

01:59:24.000 That looks.

01:59:24.000 Yeah, that's different.

01:59:25.000 See, his teeth.

01:59:26.000 You see his teeth.

01:59:26.000 That's what he's doing.

01:59:28.000 That's a chewed up mouthpiece, man.

01:59:29.000 That's weird, whatever that is.

01:59:30.000 That's crazy.

01:59:32.000 Like his coaches should stop him from chewing.

01:59:34.000 It looks like gum, really.

01:59:36.000 Yeah, it looks like.

01:59:37.000 No, it's a chewed up mouthpiece.

01:59:39.000 It looks like a boil and bite mouthpiece that he's just chewed the fuck out of.

01:59:44.000 Weird, yeah, that's just stupid.

01:59:46.000 I think whatever it is, it's like not a regular mouthpiece, you maniac.

01:59:52.000 What are you doing?

01:59:52.000 Why are you always wearing gloves?

01:59:53.000 He's just odd.

01:59:55.000 Like, when I when I fought Justin, a lot of that done my head in because obviously he poked me in the first round and I just got on with it, didn't get a destruction.

02:00:04.000 Then he poked me in the second round and dropped me with it and won the round because of it because he ground and pounded me.

02:00:11.000 And then I can remember when I watched it back on the interview on the replay, he was like, He poked him in the eye, he poked him in the eye, but nothing happened.

02:00:17.000 Couldn't go back and watch it or something.

02:00:17.000 The ref.

02:00:20.000 And then the third round, I'm putting it on him.

02:00:23.000 And he said, I hit him in the balls when I never.

02:00:27.000 Like, that still does my ending to this day.

02:00:29.000 Like, I need him.

02:00:30.000 And, like, he said, it glanced as a cup.

02:00:32.000 I'm like, it's just him being a veteran, like, you know what I mean?

02:00:34.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:00:35.000 But it didn't hit him in the balls, lad.

02:00:37.000 It hit him in the body.

02:00:38.000 And then he got like a two minute bleeder.

02:00:40.000 And then in the fourth round, he knees me in the balls against the cage.

02:00:43.000 And I go like that.

02:00:44.000 And he just carries on hitting me and nothing happens.

02:00:46.000 You know what I mean?

02:00:46.000 It's just everything that could have gone wrong for me that night went wrong.

02:00:51.000 But as I've said after that, it was fate for him to beat me because he was meant to beat Ilya Sapori at the White House.

02:00:57.000 It was like his destiny.

02:00:58.000 You think so?

02:00:59.000 That was his destiny.

02:00:59.000 Yeah.

02:01:00.000 It seemed like it.

02:01:01.000 It was destiny to do that.

02:01:02.000 It seemed like it.

02:01:03.000 It was an amazing moment.

02:01:05.000 It was a crazy moment too because Ilya had fucked him up so hard in that second round.

02:01:10.000 Yeah.

02:01:10.000 I got laughed at by everyone when I was saying, I think Justin's going to win.

02:01:14.000 Everyone laughed at me, lad.

02:01:15.000 I'll never forget when I was in Budapest with DC at the Champions League final.

02:01:19.000 I said to DC, I was like, I think Justin's going to beat him.

02:01:21.000 He's like, what?

02:01:22.000 It's like.

02:01:23.000 I reckon he's going to beat me.

02:01:24.000 He was like, You're crazy.

02:01:25.000 I was like, Nah, serious.

02:01:27.000 I think Justin's going to beat him, lad.

02:01:29.000 He's going to out dog him.

02:01:31.000 And I can remember me and Blaze were like, No, he doesn't think he's going to win, does he?

02:01:34.000 I know earlier I had this untouchable, unbeatable thing at the time, but no man is unbeatable.

02:01:41.000 Everyone is beatable.

02:01:42.000 Yeah, everyone's beatable.

02:01:44.000 And if you hit the gas full blast in that second round, you're not going to recover from the third.

02:01:50.000 That's the reality of fighting that you could speak to.

02:01:54.000 You really never empty the gas tank.

02:01:57.000 Right, you always have to be measured in how much you put out.

02:02:02.000 That fucked me up in the Ferguson fight.

02:02:05.000 I hadn't fought for a year, as I was saying before, with the injury.

02:02:08.000 And at the end of that first round, I just tried to put it on him, dropped him, tried to put it on him.

02:02:13.000 And as you know, he's made a steal, so he didn't get put away.

02:02:18.000 And then the third round starts, I can remember in between two and three being like to Paul and that, I'm tired of you, you know.

02:02:25.000 I remember just being like, I'm tired of you.

02:02:27.000 And he was like, just get out there and like.

02:02:30.000 Get him down.

02:02:31.000 I remember at the start of that third round, I was thinking, shit, I'm tired.

02:02:35.000 Here he started putting it on me a bit, you know what I mean?

02:02:36.000 Then I got the takedown and just kept him there because I knew I was already winning.

02:02:40.000 Just keep control of him, just win the round.

02:02:42.000 You know what I mean?

02:02:42.000 Win the fight.

02:02:44.000 But when you get to that point in a fight where you're like, wow, I'm fucked here.

02:02:49.000 You could see it with Ilya in that third round.

02:02:52.000 He was kind of fucked.

02:02:52.000 You could see it.

02:02:54.000 His movement was a lot slower and he couldn't get out of the way as he was moving.

02:02:57.000 Justin called it as well.

02:02:58.000 Justin said it himself.

02:02:59.000 He said, when we get out the first round, when we get out the second round, you're going to be like, shit, he's still here.

02:03:03.000 And that's going to be in your head because you've been saying you're going to finish me by two.

02:03:07.000 And he was right.

02:03:08.000 He was right.

02:03:09.000 He was 100% right.

02:03:10.000 He's also, like, his skin.

02:03:12.000 He even said it after the fight.

02:03:14.000 He goes, They should study me.

02:03:15.000 Yeah.

02:03:16.000 You know, because it's like, he doesn't get cut up.

02:03:18.000 It's crazy.

02:03:19.000 But he's also very good at moving.

02:03:21.000 He moves with stuff.

02:03:22.000 And he takes the shots with the movement.

02:03:24.000 You know what I mean?

02:03:25.000 Yeah, he falls back with things.

02:03:27.000 Like, I had him with a few knees where I thought, I don't know, that landed well, and he just takes it.

02:03:31.000 You know what I mean?

02:03:33.000 Yeah, he can take a shot.

02:03:34.000 He also is, like, super calm in the storm.

02:03:37.000 Like, he doesn't.

02:03:38.000 Get flustered when things aren't going his way.

02:03:41.000 Like, even when he went back to the ring or back to his corner in between rounds after the second round with Toyori, he's like, Yeah, hit me with a great liver shot.

02:03:50.000 He's like, saying that, like, complimenting his technique.

02:03:54.000 You know, because Ilya's boxing, it's like, it's fucking nasty, man.

02:03:57.000 When he starts putting those combinations on people, he's fucking nasty.

02:04:00.000 I just think he's too small for 55.

02:04:02.000 I don't think he's a 55 pounder.

02:04:04.000 He's not a 55er.

02:04:05.000 When you have guys that are, you know, Like your size and Benoit Saint Denis and these really big 55ers, and you look at him next to those guys.

02:04:18.000 Hoofy towers over him.

02:04:20.000 And if he's primarily a striker, he's a striker.

02:04:22.000 And I think if he's a bit embarrassing for him, he wears heels.

02:04:25.000 Have you seen the shoes he wears?

02:04:26.000 When he does press conferences and that?

02:04:27.000 I have not seen.

02:04:28.000 He wears shoes with like a six inch thing on them.

02:04:31.000 Like a cowboy boot.

02:04:32.000 It's sad, you know.

02:04:34.000 It's sad.

02:04:35.000 Imagine being that little lad.

02:04:37.000 Well, you've got to wear high heels.

02:04:38.000 It's one of the reasons why he's so mean.

02:04:41.000 It probably is.

02:04:44.000 Hey, reckon them beers are cold enough now?

02:04:46.000 Reckon ever you're cold enough?

02:04:48.000 Oh, here we go.

02:04:50.000 It was just starting to get started, ladies and gentlemen.

02:04:52.000 I think Graham will probably give you that Willys as well, to be fair.

02:04:56.000 So the thought was that if he was going to come back, he was going to come back somewhere around April.

02:05:02.000 That's when I wanted to be around them, yeah?

02:05:03.000 Yeah, you and him in April.

02:05:05.000 I wanted to fight in Miami again.

02:05:08.000 Miami?

02:05:08.000 I love fighting in Miami.

02:05:09.000 Yeah.

02:05:10.000 That Miami was far slash.

02:05:11.000 Love fighting there.

02:05:12.000 The weather was great.

02:05:14.000 Know what I mean?

02:05:15.000 All the people there were great.

02:05:16.000 I'd love to go back there and fight there again, but now I'm seeing that it looks like they could be doing Brooklyn in April.

02:05:22.000 Yeah.

02:05:22.000 Oh, really?

02:05:23.000 Interesting.

02:05:25.000 Interesting.

02:05:26.000 I'd well rather fight in Miami than Brooklyn because it's not even like it's MSG.

02:05:30.000 Right.

02:05:31.000 But Brooklyn is fun.

02:05:32.000 They're going to do it at the Barclays?

02:05:33.000 Where are they doing it?

02:05:33.000 Yeah, at the Barclays Center where the basketball is.

02:05:36.000 If you go to Brooklyn, I'll take you to Peter Luger Steakhouse.

02:05:44.000 Sounds good.

02:05:44.000 Oh, there's a legendary steakhouse in Brooklyn that's been there since the probably like the 1800s.

02:05:50.000 Yeah, every time I'm in Brooklyn, I gotta eat there.

02:05:52.000 Peter Luger's.

02:05:54.000 I'll have when Jamie comes back, I'll show you Peter Luger's steakhouse.

02:05:58.000 They bring these steaks out, they're always cooked perfectly, and they come out sizzling with butter on them.

02:06:03.000 Nice.

02:06:04.000 Oh my god, I love a good steak, man.

02:06:05.000 Like, love a good steak.

02:06:07.000 But this place has been cooking steak since you know, since the Civil War.

02:06:13.000 It's like it's like it's an old ass place, and they've been around forever.

02:06:17.000 It's like a legendary Brooklyn establishment.

02:06:20.000 I don't think it's a meal unless it has meat on it.

02:06:22.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:06:23.000 Yeah, I just don't understand that you can be a vegan.

02:06:25.000 What the fuck is going on with this people?

02:06:28.000 If I get past a plate and it hasn't got meat on, where's the main ingredients?

02:06:33.000 I know a few guys that try to compete as vegans in MMA, and I'm like, I just don't think that's wise.

02:06:43.000 At the very least, you should be eating eggs.

02:06:44.000 We have Shem in our gym, and he's basically a vegan.

02:06:49.000 He's like a pescatarian.

02:06:49.000 Is he a vegan?

02:06:52.000 Roley's.

02:06:53.000 Did you bring these?

02:06:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:06:55.000 Roley's.

02:06:56.000 This is something I've invested in.

02:06:57.000 Supernatural lager.

02:06:59.000 It's only 89 calories, but still 4.4% beer.

02:07:02.000 We're on it, we're talking.

02:07:04.000 I feel like Stone Cold Steve Austin here.

02:07:05.000 Cheers, sir.

02:07:06.000 Here we go.

02:07:11.000 That's good.

02:07:12.000 Don't get a hangover.

02:07:13.000 That's good.

02:07:14.000 Loads of B vitamins in it.

02:07:16.000 What's in it?

02:07:17.000 Yeah.

02:07:17.000 B vitamins?

02:07:18.000 For real?

02:07:19.000 So you don't get a hangover the next day.

02:07:20.000 Is that how it works?

02:07:21.000 Are you sure?

02:07:21.000 Yeah.

02:07:22.000 That's like 12 years of science or something, man, into this.

02:07:26.000 What?

02:07:27.000 I weren't involved in the 12 years of science.

02:07:29.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:07:29.000 Wait a minute.

02:07:30.000 I've just invested recently.

02:07:32.000 It really does have a bunch of vitamins in it.

02:07:32.000 Oh, wow.

02:07:35.000 Wow.

02:07:36.000 Okay.

02:07:38.000 I done a couple of months ago when I first was getting involved with them.

02:07:41.000 Oh, there's a whole label.

02:07:42.000 It says the science.

02:07:43.000 I can't read it.

02:07:44.000 It's just mom.

02:07:45.000 I'm getting it.

02:07:45.000 When I was first getting involved with them, we went and done a launch party with them, and I must have drank about 15 pints of it.

02:07:54.000 B3, B5, B6, and B8 brewed for balance.

02:08:00.000 Yeah, it says magnesium, potassium, vitamins B3, B5, B6, and B9.

02:08:06.000 Interesting.

02:08:07.000 Interesting.

02:08:08.000 Okay.

02:08:09.000 So.

02:08:10.000 There's only 89 calories, and that's all it helps for me.

02:08:13.000 It's a small can.

02:08:14.000 Yeah, I think it's like, what is it, like six ounces maybe?

02:08:18.000 I think it's like 330 milliliters.

02:08:18.000 I go in milliliters.

02:08:21.000 Like a kind of coke.

02:08:23.000 What a dumb thing America did by never adopting the metric system.

02:08:27.000 They tried when I was in, I guess I was in high school.

02:08:31.000 They started trotting that out.

02:08:32.000 They taught us the metric system, and I was like, well, that makes more sense.

02:08:35.000 Everything's tens.

02:08:36.000 And then they tried it for a little while and I was like, nah, fuck you.

02:08:40.000 Inches.

02:08:41.000 Yeah, it's almost normal.

02:08:42.000 It's 11.16 fluid ounces.

02:08:44.000 This is?

02:08:45.000 Yeah.

02:08:45.000 Really?

02:08:46.000 God, why does it seem so small?

02:08:46.000 Yeah.

02:08:47.000 And it's like 330 mil, isn't it?

02:08:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:08:51.000 It's just like a kind of Coke.

02:08:54.000 Very good, though.

02:08:54.000 It's a solid beer.

02:08:55.000 And if it's got vitamins in it, too, yay.

02:08:58.000 How much alcohol is in these?

02:09:00.000 Oh, okay.

02:09:00.000 They have 4.4%.

02:09:01.000 So it's got more, I think that's more than a Budweiser, isn't it?

02:09:05.000 It's probably similar.

02:09:06.000 More similar, yeah.

02:09:08.000 Canada doesn't fuck around.

02:09:09.000 You go up there, they have some 9% beers.

02:09:13.000 Their beers are heavy.

02:09:14.000 Yeah, someone was telling me the other day about the Japanese one.

02:09:16.000 Oh, yeah.

02:09:17.000 Something like 14% or something.

02:09:19.000 Which one's that?

02:09:19.000 And if you drink one of them, you're basically shit faced.

02:09:22.000 Really?

02:09:22.000 Yeah.

02:09:23.000 Japanese don't fuck around either.

02:09:25.000 Someone was telling me about that the other day.

02:09:26.000 I was like, what?

02:09:27.000 Yeah, I have a friend who did business over there, and they said, like, if you go out with these businessmen, like, you are getting hammered.

02:09:34.000 Yeah.

02:09:35.000 And it's not like, if and no, no, thank you.

02:09:37.000 I don't want to drink.

02:09:38.000 You guys are going to do business together?

02:09:38.000 Uh-uh.

02:09:40.000 You got to get fucked up.

02:09:41.000 It's like Crown Gracie needs to see you roll.

02:09:43.000 They need to see you hammered.

02:09:45.000 They need to see who you are when you're drunk.

02:09:48.000 That's the thing.

02:09:49.000 That's what most business meetings are, though, Auntie.

02:09:51.000 Most business meetings, people think, oh, you sit around tablets, getting shit faced with each other and getting to know each other.

02:09:56.000 Yeah, well, that's how men get to know each other.

02:09:59.000 Like, if I meet a guy and he's fucked up when he drinks, I don't, I'm like, okay, can't hang out with Mike.

02:10:06.000 Mike gets hammered, he becomes a problem.

02:10:08.000 Whereas if you meet a guy who's just jolly, you know, I like a guy who's drunk and is just more fun.

02:10:14.000 You know, like Shane Gillis.

02:10:14.000 Yeah.

02:10:15.000 Like when he's drunk, he's just Shane Gillis drunk.

02:10:18.000 He's more fun.

02:10:19.000 Like, it's a good guy to drink with.

02:10:21.000 You know, it's like a good man to drink with is a good man.

02:10:24.000 Yeah.

02:10:24.000 A bad man to drink with is a problem dude, you know?

02:10:27.000 So if I was a Japanese businessman, I get it.

02:10:30.000 Yeah.

02:10:30.000 About to be involved in some giant venture with this gentleman.

02:10:34.000 Let's see how he handles his liquor.

02:10:36.000 Yeah, that's the good thing about my mates.

02:10:38.000 I do.

02:10:38.000 I've grew up, I'm still mates with like people I went to nursery with and families.

02:10:43.000 Yeah, all my close friends.

02:10:45.000 There's about eight, nine of us.

02:10:48.000 I've known them since I was like five, six years old, and like the rest of them, 11 when we went to senior school.

02:10:53.000 Do you still live in the same neighborhood?

02:10:55.000 Yeah.

02:10:55.000 Wow.

02:10:56.000 Still, like, my mother's house is about a 10 minute walk from my house.

02:11:00.000 Is it hard to get around now?

02:11:02.000 Like, Do you get stopped everywhere?

02:11:04.000 Everywhere we go, people ask for pictures and stuff.

02:11:06.000 Someone was asking me this the other night because I was actually out with my mates having a drink on Saturday, and obviously people are coming over asking for pictures and that.

02:11:12.000 And they're saying, Oh, doesn't that annoy you?

02:11:14.000 And I'm like, It can be at certain times, but the way I look at it is people aren't asking me for pictures.

02:11:21.000 I'm not doing well, am I?

02:11:22.000 Right.

02:11:23.000 I mean, most people that come up to you, other than the internet, but the real world, in the real world, most people that come up to you are nice.

02:11:31.000 Yeah.

02:11:31.000 And most people that don't like you, they just avoid you.

02:11:33.000 Yeah.

02:11:34.000 The people, like people always say, Oh, does anyone like come up to you and try and start on you?

02:11:37.000 And that's never happened to me, you know, not once.

02:11:40.000 No one's ever come over and like tried to act hard and like try and have a fight with me.

02:11:44.000 That has never, not once in my life happened to me.

02:11:46.000 Well, that's true.

02:11:47.000 And like since people know me, that's never happened.

02:11:49.000 No one's ever like, like I've seen other fighters saying that, people coming over to them and starting on them.

02:11:53.000 And like, I've never had that once in my life.

02:11:57.000 Well, that's good.

02:11:57.000 Hopefully that stays.

02:11:58.000 Yeah, hopefully that stays.

02:12:00.000 Hopefully.

02:12:00.000 In Liverpool, everyone knows.

02:12:02.000 Liverpool's small, especially compared to like America.

02:12:05.000 Liverpool's small.

02:12:06.000 Everyone knows everyone.

02:12:07.000 Right.

02:12:07.000 Or you know someone who knows the person.

02:12:09.000 Right.

02:12:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:12.000 So.

02:12:13.000 Everyone is just sound.

02:12:15.000 The way I look at it, everyone's cool because everyone knows everyone.

02:12:18.000 And you can't really forget where you come from in Liverpool because if you do, people will remind you where you come from.

02:12:24.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:25.000 That's probably good, right?

02:12:27.000 Yeah, it is.

02:12:28.000 Keeps you humble.

02:12:30.000 And probably you have massive support there too.

02:12:33.000 If you did something in Liverpool, everybody's going.

02:12:35.000 That's what I mean.

02:12:36.000 That's why I'd love to do Anfield.

02:12:38.000 How big is this stadium?

02:12:41.000 On a day of football, it's like 60 something thousand.

02:12:43.000 60,000.

02:12:45.000 But then that's obviously.

02:12:46.000 Without the floor seats, what you'd have with the pitch.

02:12:49.000 So it'd be at least 70.

02:12:51.000 So they just have to buy 70,000 umbrellas.

02:12:55.000 How much would that cost?

02:12:55.000 Let's go.

02:12:56.000 A lot of the stadium seats, a lot of them are covered up.

02:12:59.000 How much is an umbrella?

02:13:00.000 10 bucks?

02:13:01.000 Less.

02:13:01.000 Probably a cheap umbrella.

02:13:02.000 Father.

02:13:03.000 Yeah, why don't they do that?

02:13:04.000 So just allocate some money for umbrellas.

02:13:07.000 Back to the stadium.

02:13:08.000 You don't need that many umbrellas because they're undercover.

02:13:10.000 Okay.

02:13:11.000 So the stands have covers over them.

02:13:13.000 Know what I mean?

02:13:13.000 Right.

02:13:14.000 Okay.

02:13:14.000 So it'd just mainly be the floor seats and the people that like the front of those.

02:13:17.000 That would be sick.

02:13:20.000 It'd be unbelievable, lad.

02:13:21.000 Just figure out a way.

02:13:22.000 Look at that.

02:13:23.000 Like that, yeah?

02:13:24.000 Yeah.

02:13:24.000 I went to see Bruce Springsteen there last year.

02:13:26.000 Oh, really?

02:13:26.000 I went to watch Bruce Springsteen and I've seen Elton John there.

02:13:29.000 Wow.

02:13:30.000 How's Elton John?

02:13:31.000 How's Elton John live?

02:13:32.000 Sick.

02:13:33.000 Wow.

02:13:33.000 I'll end up seeing him three times in one summer.

02:13:35.000 I've seen him in Chicago with Portnoy.

02:13:37.000 And I've seen him in Anfield and I've seen him at Glastonbury.

02:13:37.000 Wow.

02:13:39.000 Wow.

02:13:40.000 Look at him.

02:13:41.000 Bruce was great.

02:13:42.000 But as I say, that's not even the full stadium because they need to have one.

02:13:47.000 Like on a match day, that's all full.

02:13:49.000 Right, right, right.

02:13:50.000 And then the pitch, you know what I mean?

02:13:52.000 And the pitch would have seats on and have an octagon on.

02:13:55.000 You can't have people to the left or right because they can't see.

02:13:58.000 Yeah, because they can't see.

02:13:59.000 But unlike an actual match day, it's like that.

02:14:04.000 Holy shit.

02:14:05.000 Yeah, so like that with some sort of a cover over the top.

02:14:08.000 Yeah, like that.

02:14:09.000 But to suspend that.

02:14:10.000 Because they could only need a little cover over the octagon to make sure we're not getting wet.

02:14:14.000 So if everyone else can get wet, they'll still be having a good time.

02:14:18.000 Well, it seems to me that if they had enough time, they could engineer something that would go over the entire top.

02:14:24.000 Yeah.

02:14:25.000 Definitely.

02:14:26.000 I don't know.

02:14:26.000 Maybe that's too much money.

02:14:28.000 Yeah.

02:14:29.000 I don't know.

02:14:30.000 Thinking, like, yeah, maybe not.

02:14:32.000 It's too big, it's huge, but that would be sick.

02:14:35.000 I might fly over for that.

02:14:37.000 Like, I've seen earlier saying about the Bernabeu.

02:14:39.000 I can tell you that to you.

02:14:40.000 The what the Bernabeu that's what I'm what words you're saying.

02:14:46.000 He said, I tried to burn the Bernabeu.

02:14:52.000 When he said, he said, like, the Bernabeu, he said it's something like that, but that's Real Madrid's football stadium.

02:14:57.000 Oh, okay.

02:14:58.000 He mentioned that.

02:14:59.000 So, is that in Madrid?

02:14:59.000 That's in Madrid, yeah, okay.

02:15:01.000 And like, that's it.

02:15:02.000 That's an even bigger stadium than ours.

02:15:04.000 Wow.

02:15:05.000 And I'd love to go into enemy territory and punch his head in there.

02:15:08.000 That'd be even better.

02:15:09.000 I guess that is the word you said.

02:15:10.000 Holy shit, look at the size of that place.

02:15:12.000 And that's got a roof.

02:15:13.000 So here's my thought on MMA MMA should be fought on a giant field and with no cages, and you should fight with like a red line around it, no cage.

02:15:25.000 Everybody can see everything.

02:15:27.000 That's what I think.

02:15:28.000 This is also the stadium where they have this insane system for the grass that there's no reason every stadium in America doesn't have this.

02:15:34.000 What is it?

02:15:35.000 That's how they control the grass.

02:15:35.000 How's the stadium?

02:15:37.000 Yeah.

02:15:38.000 Like the stadiums where the NFL plays, they play on turf.

02:15:40.000 It fucks up their knees.

02:15:40.000 The players hate it.

02:15:41.000 They all want, and they get to play on these fields once a year, kind of, because they're going to play NFL games in Europe.

02:15:48.000 Yeah, I went to an NFL game the other day in London in Spurs Stadium.

02:15:52.000 How are they doing this, Jeremy?

02:15:53.000 They dug a gigantic hole and made this lift system where it's watering it under here.

02:15:59.000 What?

02:15:59.000 Yeah, it's like, I don't know how many, I don't know if it's like seven layers, but you can see there's one, two, three, four, five, like six layers.

02:16:05.000 Holy shit.

02:16:06.000 And it can raise and trade out and.

02:16:08.000 Is there a video of this?

02:16:09.000 Can I see it on video?

02:16:11.000 Fuck.

02:16:11.000 Bayern Madrid is like one of the richest football clubs in the world.

02:16:15.000 Like, possibly the biggest club in the world.

02:16:18.000 People in America have no idea how big soccer is.

02:16:22.000 I'm sorry, you guys call it football.

02:16:24.000 That's a.

02:16:26.000 Wow.

02:16:28.000 That's nuts.

02:16:30.000 Yeah.

02:16:30.000 This doesn't.

02:16:31.000 I don't believe there's any place in America there's anything like this.

02:16:33.000 That's nuts.

02:16:34.000 So it's actual soil and actual grass.

02:16:37.000 Yeah.

02:16:37.000 And it lifts up.

02:16:39.000 This is nuts, man.

02:16:40.000 Yeah.

02:16:41.000 How much did that cost?

02:16:43.000 I don't know.

02:16:44.000 Holy shit, man.

02:16:46.000 That's insane.

02:16:47.000 Look at this.

02:16:48.000 They can fix one level of it while they do another one.

02:16:51.000 There's lights on the wall.

02:16:52.000 They can fix one level and move one over.

02:16:54.000 Holy shit, man.

02:16:57.000 That's wild.

02:17:00.000 That's futuristic shit right there, though.

02:17:02.000 That's what you do when you have unlimited money.

02:17:04.000 Yeah, I've got unlimited money.

02:17:06.000 How much cocaine was involved in that creation?

02:17:06.000 I think that's that.

02:17:09.000 How much coke do you have to snort where someone's like, this is what we want to do?

02:17:14.000 We have grass under the ground!

02:17:17.000 We have a piston system!

02:17:19.000 Lift it up, move it to the side!

02:17:22.000 And I was like, how much money?

02:17:23.000 How much money?

02:17:24.000 Who gives a fuck?

02:17:26.000 How about money?

02:17:27.000 Get it done!

02:17:30.000 This has never been done before.

02:17:31.000 Then we do it now!

02:17:34.000 It is a fucking mad!

02:17:36.000 Unbelievable idea they've ever come up with it.

02:17:38.000 I've never even seen that before!

02:17:40.000 As I say, I think they can even do that, so they did have like a UFC on there.

02:17:42.000 Oh, yeah.

02:17:43.000 You could take the grass out completely.

02:17:45.000 Oh, and it'd just be like a floor, a floor, yeah, yeah.

02:17:51.000 Oh, that would be so dope, but yeah, as I say, it'd be and they have a roof, they have a roof, yeah.

02:17:57.000 They actually have a roof.

02:17:58.000 Let's go, I'd fight there, I'd love to fight in places like that.

02:18:01.000 I might have to fly to Spain for that one.

02:18:03.000 That'd be sick.

02:18:04.000 Let's go, that'd be sick.

02:18:06.000 Let's go.

02:18:07.000 I used to fly to all of them, man, but it got too much, it was too much.

02:18:11.000 When uh, I was just, I was, I kind of the podcast had just started.

02:18:16.000 And I was doing UFCs like 23, 24 weeks a year.

02:18:21.000 That's fucking nuts, man.

02:18:23.000 Yeah.

02:18:24.000 And look, there's just no grass.

02:18:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:18:26.000 Woo!

02:18:26.000 It's just like.

02:18:28.000 Bro, that's Taylor Swift.

02:18:29.000 That'd be loud.

02:18:31.000 That's a Taylor Swift concert.

02:18:32.000 Yeah, I know, but for a fight, that'd be so good.

02:18:33.000 How many girls got like synchronized menstrual cycles because of this?

02:18:41.000 Bro, a fight in there would be fucking insane.

02:18:45.000 The atmosphere would be better than Field, though.

02:18:47.000 Definitely.

02:18:48.000 The atmosphere would be better than Field with loads of scouses there.

02:18:51.000 Well, it would definitely be more violent and dangerous.

02:18:55.000 The amount of scouses that live in Spain, lad, they'd take over the Bernabo.

02:18:59.000 Well, I remember when.

02:18:59.000 Yeah.

02:19:01.000 The Irish came to Vegas and took over Vegas.

02:19:05.000 When Connor fought McGregor in Vegas, it was the nuttiest fucking thing.

02:19:10.000 Or when Connor fought Aldo in Vegas.

02:19:12.000 Did he fight Aldo in Vegas?

02:19:14.000 I think that was Vegas.

02:19:15.000 That was in Vegas, and there was another one in Vegas.

02:19:17.000 Chad Mendes was also in Vegas.

02:19:19.000 I had never seen anything like it.

02:19:21.000 They took over Mandalay Bay, they took over the entire casino.

02:19:26.000 Like, it was fucking nuts, man.

02:19:28.000 It was nuts.

02:19:29.000 Like, you'd never seen anything like it.

02:19:32.000 Some fucking Irish guy got in the hotel.

02:19:34.000 Joe Rogan, hi, you're a fucking legend.

02:19:37.000 And he climbed to the hotel elevator with me.

02:19:39.000 I'm like, dude, I'm going up to my room.

02:19:41.000 Leave me the fuck alone.

02:19:43.000 They were everywhere.

02:19:44.000 They were singing and cheering.

02:19:46.000 It was madness.

02:19:47.000 It was like the entire fucking thing.

02:19:50.000 There's this corridor at Mandalay Bay between where the shark exhibit is, where the reef is.

02:19:57.000 They have this giant shark tank.

02:19:58.000 It's really cool.

02:20:00.000 The fucking whole corridor is filled with Irish.

02:20:02.000 It's shit.

02:20:04.000 Chanting and singing.

02:20:05.000 It was madness.

02:20:07.000 Like, you'd never seen anything like it.

02:20:08.000 Like, I'd say Scousers are more like Irish than anywhere else, than anyone else in England.

02:20:14.000 Because our port is the closest thing to Ireland.

02:20:17.000 So, like, if I went back through my ancestry, I'd probably have Irish in there.

02:20:21.000 Know what I mean?

02:20:23.000 Like, people say Scousers are more like Irish people than they are English people.

02:20:27.000 Right.

02:20:28.000 So, like, Conor McGregor is like a typical character that you might encounter.

02:20:32.000 Yeah, he's a nutter, though.

02:20:34.000 He is a nutter.

02:20:35.000 He's a nutter, McGregor.

02:20:36.000 He's nuts, though.

02:20:36.000 He is a nutter.

02:20:37.000 That's why he's so good.

02:20:38.000 It is.

02:20:38.000 How do you get so good?

02:20:38.000 Yeah.

02:20:39.000 You have to be out of your fucking mind.

02:20:40.000 This is it.

02:20:41.000 Put your headphones on just so you can hear this.

02:20:43.000 It was fucking madness.

02:20:52.000 They took over Vegas.

02:20:54.000 That's the way in, right?

02:20:56.000 Yeah.

02:20:58.000 Bro, they took over Vegas.

02:21:04.000 Bro, I've been doing this a long time.

02:21:08.000 I first started working for the UFC in 1997.

02:21:11.000 I never saw shit like that.

02:21:13.000 No matter who.

02:21:13.000 Never.

02:21:15.000 I've seen so many people fight.

02:21:17.000 I've never seen anything like that where one guy had that much attention.

02:21:21.000 Yeah, these.

02:21:23.000 I always say it, people disrespect him and that now, but lad, he changed the game.

02:21:27.000 You can't disrespect him.

02:21:28.000 You can't disrespect him.

02:21:29.000 Without him, we wouldn't be as mainstream as we are right now.

02:21:32.000 He changed our sport forever.

02:21:35.000 He changed the sport forever.

02:21:35.000 He did.

02:21:37.000 He's like, there's a few characters in history that have elevated.

02:21:40.000 Ronda Rousey was a big one.

02:21:42.000 There's a few characters in history that just raised the profile of the sport.

02:21:46.000 Chuck Liddell was the first.

02:21:48.000 Yeah.

02:21:48.000 Chuck Liddell was the first.

02:21:49.000 Raise the profile of the sport.

02:21:51.000 Just change the sport.

02:21:53.000 Where everybody was like paying attention to it, and he's one of them.

02:21:56.000 He's one of them where I had casuals, people that didn't know jack shit about MMA, asking me about this Irish guy.

02:22:03.000 Hey, who's this Irish guy?

02:22:04.000 He's fighting in the UFC.

02:22:06.000 Who's this Irish guy?

02:22:07.000 Like, everybody knew who Conor McGregor was.

02:22:09.000 It was nuts.

02:22:10.000 I had never seen anything like it.

02:22:12.000 It was wild.

02:22:13.000 The weigh ins were wild.

02:22:15.000 They were wild, man.

02:22:17.000 But I'll tell you what, the greatest fucking weigh in ever, Khabib, when he fought Conor, all the Irish, all the Irish were there.

02:22:17.000 It was nothing.

02:22:23.000 And Khabib has the crazy hat on.

02:22:25.000 He goes, He goes, I'm gonna smash your boy.

02:22:29.000 He goes, Alhamdulillah, I'm gonna smash your boy.

02:22:33.000 They're like, No, no.

02:22:35.000 Big smile on his face.

02:22:36.000 Tomorrow night, I'm gonna smash your boy.

02:22:40.000 He wasn't lying, like.

02:22:41.000 He wasn't lying.

02:22:42.000 But it was like, see, pull up that press conference.

02:22:44.000 This to me was like one of my favorites.

02:22:46.000 I wish he wouldn't have retired so soon.

02:22:48.000 I love that he did, though.

02:22:49.000 I wish he wouldn't have retired so soon, though.

02:22:51.000 You know what he says now?

02:22:52.000 He says he's better now than he was then.

02:22:54.000 He says grappling is so much better now.

02:22:56.000 Hold on.

02:22:56.000 Put this up.

02:22:57.000 You gotta hear this.

02:22:58.000 Spend your title tomorrow night against Conor McGregor.

02:23:02.000 Hear the blues.

02:23:03.000 First of all, I want to say Alhamdulillah.

02:23:05.000 God give me everything.

02:23:07.000 Alhamdulillah.

02:23:09.000 I know you got this.

02:23:10.000 You don't like this.

02:23:11.000 Alhamdulillah.

02:23:12.000 Tomorrow night, I'm going to smash your boy, guys.

02:23:16.000 I'm going to smash your boy.

02:23:18.000 And I want to say thank you, all Irish fans.

02:23:22.000 You know, all fans around the world.

02:23:26.000 Because of you guys, this fight has happened.

02:23:29.000 Thank you guys, and tomorrow night, inshallah, and still.

02:23:33.000 Thank you, sir.

02:23:38.000 Alhamdulillah, I'm gonna smash you, boy.

02:23:44.000 He's a legend.

02:23:45.000 He's a fucking legend, man.

02:23:46.000 It's just like there are these characters that come along, and that's his madness.

02:23:51.000 His madness is discipline and drive, and Connor's madness is just being a fucking wild man, just being completely off the rails.

02:23:59.000 It is.

02:23:59.000 Just off the rails, out of his mind.

02:24:02.000 But yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

02:24:05.000 Connor was able to absorb.

02:24:08.000 Ah, the Willies is legit.

02:24:11.000 The Willies is legit.

02:24:12.000 I don't know how legal or illegal it is in this goofy ass fucking.

02:24:15.000 Is it?

02:24:18.000 It's a problem for now.

02:24:20.000 They fucked up.

02:24:20.000 Most of them not in this state.

02:24:22.000 Texas fucked up.

02:24:23.000 They passed some crazy laws banning THC products, and it's probably costing the election.

02:24:31.000 I thought Texas was a bit different to that.

02:24:33.000 I'm not a down on the country.

02:24:34.000 It should be.

02:24:35.000 It's fucking stupid.

02:24:36.000 But if it's legal in California, they'd expect it to be legal, yeah?

02:24:39.000 Exactly.

02:24:40.000 It's legal in Colorado.

02:24:42.000 It's legal in New York now.

02:24:43.000 It's legal everywhere.

02:24:44.000 Texas is ass backwards when it comes to weed, and it cost them the election.

02:24:48.000 Part of what cost them the election.

02:24:51.000 Yeah, I'm not.

02:24:52.000 I haven't got a clue about politics.

02:24:53.000 It's all gross.

02:24:54.000 I hate it.

02:24:55.000 I don't like politics at all.

02:24:56.000 I have no idea about politics.

02:24:58.000 Much more interested in MMA than I am in politics.

02:25:00.000 Yeah.

02:25:02.000 It boils down to reality, man.

02:25:04.000 It's so much more exciting.

02:25:06.000 Jamie, pull up the card for this weekend.

02:25:08.000 There's so many good fights on that card.

02:25:10.000 I'm very curious to see what happens with Hoket and Gone because, in my personal opinion, Gone is a very unique challenge.

02:25:18.000 Yeah, he is.

02:25:20.000 I keep talking about.

02:25:21.000 Ronald Jones is just that good.

02:25:22.000 He's that good.

02:25:23.000 He's that good.

02:25:24.000 But, like, I half want Silicon to win because I don't like Josh Hockey.

02:25:30.000 But then I want Volkov.

02:25:32.000 Volkov deserves his chance of fighting for the belt.

02:25:34.000 Right.

02:25:35.000 I want Volkov to beat Silicon.

02:25:37.000 Bro, Volkov's a fucking crazy story.

02:25:39.000 The guy's been around forever.

02:25:39.000 What do I mean?

02:25:41.000 He was 10 seconds away from fighting for the world title and then got caught by Derek Lewis.

02:25:45.000 Yeah.

02:25:45.000 Like, I think he deserves it.

02:25:47.000 So there's Cyril Gahn and Josh Hockey.

02:25:50.000 Look, I keep talking about this, but I think it's one of the things about Cyril Gahn, I keep saying he's one of the first guys that's a really good basketball player.

02:25:59.000 That we see fight in MMA.

02:26:00.000 And I think there's something about being good at basketball.

02:26:04.000 And that something is basketball is like constant plyometrics.

02:26:08.000 You're constantly moving and you're running forward and backwards, and you develop movement that's different than most big guys.

02:26:15.000 Yeah.

02:26:16.000 Like a lot of big guys are standing in front of each other, which is one of the reasons why I think Johnny Walker is going to fuck a lot of people up at heavyweight.

02:26:23.000 I think he surprised me the other day, to be honest, beating a crossfire.

02:26:26.000 He fucked up Waldo like that.

02:26:28.000 I'll be honest, I didn't see that coming.

02:26:30.000 I think Johnny Walker should have been heavyweight the entire time.

02:26:33.000 He's probably been cutting a lot of weight to get to 205.

02:26:35.000 Where now he's got the.

02:26:37.000 His athleticism at 265 is going to fool a lot of people.

02:26:41.000 He's a freak.

02:26:42.000 And he'll probably take a shot better than heavyweight.

02:26:44.000 Wait, he's already taken a shot.

02:26:45.000 He's already taken a shot way better.

02:26:46.000 You know what I mean?

02:26:47.000 He's taking a shot better than that weight.

02:26:48.000 Waldo caught him with some big shots, man, and he took them fine.

02:26:51.000 He got knocked down, took it fine.

02:26:53.000 It's like his chin was entirely fucked up because he was cutting an insane amount of weight to make 205.

02:26:59.000 He's so big.

02:27:00.000 He's 6'6, man.

02:27:01.000 He's fucking huge.

02:27:02.000 I've seen him in the PI.

02:27:03.000 He's a big, big dude.

02:27:05.000 He's a big dude.

02:27:05.000 He's huge.

02:27:06.000 Should have been a heavyweight the entire time.

02:27:08.000 I'm picking Gan there, like personally.

02:27:10.000 Well, I think Gan, like I said, first of all, his striking is super technical and he's one of the best athletes in the sport.

02:27:17.000 He's fucking huge.

02:27:18.000 He's a real big, natural heavyweight.

02:27:21.000 His only two losses are Nganu, who, if he would have stayed on top in that last round, he could have won.

02:27:25.000 Right.

02:27:26.000 And John Jones, who were two of the best heavyweights of both.

02:27:29.000 Right.

02:27:30.000 And Nganu.

02:27:31.000 Fought that fight with a fucked up knee and had a grapple.

02:27:33.000 That would have been very interesting if he had a grapple.

02:27:35.000 I think Conkert's going to try and use his wrestling this one.

02:27:37.000 Surely he's got to.

02:27:38.000 He has to.

02:27:39.000 He has to.

02:27:39.000 He has to use his wrestling.

02:27:40.000 If he tries to stand with Gon, the level of Gon striking is fucking ridiculous.

02:27:46.000 He's also very hard to hit.

02:27:47.000 We've never seen him really get rocked in the UFC.

02:27:49.000 Taito Ivasa clipped him and hurt him a little bit, but he.

02:27:53.000 Yeah, but then he'd come back and she'd hold him.

02:27:56.000 His combinations are fucking lethal.

02:27:58.000 He's so technical.

02:28:00.000 I've only just noticed that.

02:28:01.000 What's that?

02:28:02.000 The reach advantage.

02:28:03.000 Way bigger.

02:28:04.000 Eight and a half reach advantage.

02:28:05.000 6'4 and 250 is way bigger than 6'1 and 235.

02:28:09.000 Yeah, that's a lot bigger.

02:28:11.000 I mean, even though it's only, you know, 10 plus pounds on paper.

02:28:15.000 Looking at that, 234, do you reckon he could make 205?

02:28:18.000 100%.

02:28:19.000 I think he'll make 205.

02:28:20.000 Oh, he can make 205 easily.

02:28:21.000 He said he could make 205.

02:28:24.000 When you look at him, he's got fat on him.

02:28:26.000 He's got weight to lose, especially when a guy like you cuts that amount of weight.

02:28:29.000 Yeah.

02:28:30.000 He could easily cut 30 pounds.

02:28:33.000 No problem at all.

02:28:33.000 It wouldn't even be hard.

02:28:35.000 But I think there's a benefit to being a light, fast guy at heavyweight.

02:28:40.000 Yeah, that is definitely.

02:28:41.000 You're right there.

02:28:41.000 Until you fight a heavy, fast guy at heavyweight.

02:28:45.000 Like Cain Velasquez, one of the best heavyweights of all time.

02:28:49.000 He wasn't big at all, was he?

02:28:50.000 Exactly, exactly.

02:28:52.000 Like 240 ish.

02:28:53.000 Yeah, I'm interested.

02:28:55.000 I'm interested in that fight because I'm interested.

02:28:57.000 Because I think Hoke it.

02:28:58.000 Look, that fight that he had with Curtis Blaze was one of the greatest heavyweight fights of all time.

02:29:02.000 Yeah, I was shocked watching that fight, I'll be honest.

02:29:05.000 Because when there's a UFC on, it's on at like 4 or 5 a.m. in the UK for us.

02:29:10.000 So I have my phone on Do Not Disturb.

02:29:13.000 I wake up the next morning, my cameraman comes to ours, Blaze comes to ours, sets the camera up, and I just leave my phone upstairs.

02:29:20.000 And then I'll watch it all.

02:29:22.000 And I don't know any of the results.

02:29:23.000 And I'll sit there and watch it.

02:29:25.000 And when I was watching that Blades Hocket fight, I was like, oh, shit.

02:29:29.000 Like, this, I didn't expect this from Hocket.

02:29:32.000 Know what I mean?

02:29:33.000 Like, he's a mad dog.

02:29:34.000 He's a mad dog.

02:29:35.000 Like, all that crazy shit he talks.

02:29:37.000 And I said to him after the fight, I go, dude, that fight was amazing.

02:29:39.000 He goes, I talk so much shit.

02:29:41.000 He goes, I had a fight like that.

02:29:42.000 I talk so much shit.

02:29:43.000 So he said to me inside the cage, here's the one that a lot of people are sleeping on Kai Bohalio and Yursi Bogari.

02:29:50.000 That is a crazy fight.

02:29:50.000 Yeah.

02:29:52.000 That guy is giant.

02:29:55.000 He's a 6'6 middleweight with world class kickboxing skills.

02:30:00.000 Like, world class.

02:30:01.000 Kai's going to have to use his grappling there, like, definitely.

02:30:04.000 100%.

02:30:05.000 100%.

02:30:06.000 But he's got to get close enough to that dude to be able to grapple him.

02:30:10.000 And Yursi is doing the same thing.

02:30:12.000 He's training with Glover and Alex, and they're in Connecticut all together.

02:30:19.000 And there's something about Glover is a genius.

02:30:21.000 Like, he's a real MMA genius.

02:30:23.000 And what he did with.

02:30:25.000 When he did it with Alex, it was like, just give him the grappling skills that were necessary in order to use the kickboxing skills that he has.

02:30:33.000 And that's what they're doing with Yursi as well.

02:30:36.000 I mean, Yursi is a real problem.

02:30:40.000 Five inches is a lot of height, but at the same time, it's easier for Kai to shoot in onto his legs, then, isn't it?

02:30:46.000 Yes.

02:30:46.000 So, like, it's a double edged sword.

02:30:48.000 There is that, but he also can hit you from a further distance.

02:30:52.000 And Abdul Malik is a very good wrestler.

02:30:55.000 Yeah.

02:30:55.000 And he fucked that dude up.

02:30:57.000 Like, he.

02:30:59.000 He might have ruined him.

02:31:00.000 Like, that was a rough fight.

02:31:02.000 That was a rough fight to watch.

02:31:03.000 Did you see the fight with Abdul Malik?

02:31:04.000 No, I don't think so.

02:31:06.000 Pull that up, Jeremy.

02:31:07.000 Let's see the highlights.

02:31:08.000 That was Yersi Bulgari's coming out party in the UFC because Abdul Malik was an undefeated, up and coming guy.

02:31:16.000 Maybe he had one fight early in his career, he lost.

02:31:18.000 I don't remember.

02:31:19.000 Undefeated in the UFC.

02:31:21.000 Very highly regarded by everybody who trained with him and worked with him.

02:31:24.000 Extreme couture.

02:31:25.000 No, was he an extreme couture guy?

02:31:27.000 I think so.

02:31:27.000 I think he's an extreme couture.

02:31:29.000 But.

02:31:30.000 Everybody that I know that talked about him was like, this kid's legit, like very legit.

02:31:35.000 And I saw his first couple fights and I was like, oh man, he's going to go somewhere.

02:31:40.000 This guy's something.

02:31:41.000 And then he fought Yersi Bulgari.

02:31:43.000 And the problem is, Yersi is just too tall and too good at striking, like too good.

02:31:52.000 And in order to.

02:31:53.000 In fact, he didn't lose the other week in Philly.

02:31:57.000 Yes, he did.

02:31:58.000 Yeah, I can remember.

02:32:00.000 He didn't look the same either.

02:32:00.000 Yes, he did.

02:32:02.000 No, he doesn't.

02:32:03.000 But the problem was, he fought.

02:32:05.000 Not that long after this fight, and scoot ahead a little bit so you can see the beating that he was taking.

02:32:10.000 First of all, dude's tough as nails because he got really hurt in this fight.

02:32:14.000 Really hurt.

02:32:15.000 Because the problem with a guy who's a good MMA striker, who's like learned MMA after learning wrestling and being a good wrestler, is there's a level that you achieve when you start out really young at striking that you're just not going to achieve.

02:32:32.000 Yeah, if that round would have been three seconds longer, he gets finished.

02:32:35.000 Yeah.

02:32:37.000 I don't know what he's doing.

02:32:38.000 With that round, it would have been three seconds longer to get finished.

02:32:40.000 Yeah, no, he got, and so then the next round, he gets really hurt.

02:32:44.000 It probably would have been better if it was stopped.

02:32:46.000 Got stopped there, yeah.

02:32:47.000 Because in the next round, he wound up taking a fucking horrendous beating.

02:32:52.000 And Yersi just, he's so technical, man.

02:32:56.000 Like everything is perfect.

02:32:58.000 So every mistake gets elevated and every mistake gets exaggerated as you get tired and you're taking more punishment.

02:33:05.000 And Yersi's doing everything with perfect efficiency and just perfect technique.

02:33:10.000 He's just too good as a striker.

02:33:13.000 If you're tired and you're also having a hard time hitting him and then you're leaving these openings, this guy's just slowly chipping away your power bank.

02:33:21.000 To the left hook to the body.

02:33:23.000 Yeah.

02:33:24.000 Lovely body shot.

02:33:25.000 And just hurt him so bad.

02:33:28.000 And it was the amount of punishment that he took in this fight that I was like, boy, it's great to be tough.

02:33:34.000 It really is.

02:33:35.000 But there's sometimes when you cross the threshold of you're too tough for your own good.

02:33:41.000 Oh, that was lovely.

02:33:42.000 And that was it.

02:33:43.000 That was it.

02:33:44.000 But it was so much punishment over the course of those three rounds.

02:33:48.000 You just got to go, I don't know how much a guy recovers.

02:33:50.000 See, I'll be honest, though.

02:33:53.000 I'd rather go out on my shield.

02:33:56.000 Know if, like, what happened with Ilya and Justin, if Paul or Ellis ever said, We're going to stop the fight, I'd say, You're fucking not.

02:34:03.000 You're not.

02:34:04.000 We're finishing this fight, lad.

02:34:06.000 We're not stopping it.

02:34:07.000 But he had broken orbital bones, though.

02:34:10.000 If I had broken orbital bones, I'd be saying, I'm carrying on.

02:34:14.000 I promise you.

02:34:15.000 But wouldn't it be good if someone who loves you said, Let's live to fight another day?

02:34:20.000 Because the problem is, with broken orbital bones and things along those lines, he couldn't see.

02:34:25.000 If you can't see and it gets worse to the point where you're like Michael Bisping, where he lost vision in one eye.

02:34:32.000 And it fucked.

02:34:33.000 Look, Michael, one of the craziest, toughest guys that's ever walked the face of the earth.

02:34:36.000 Fought 11 times in the UFC with one eyeball.

02:34:39.000 He's a sick man.

02:34:40.000 Sick.

02:34:41.000 He's an animal.

02:34:42.000 But most people, that's over.

02:34:44.000 Most people, your career's over.

02:34:45.000 He memorized the eye chart so he could read it out while he couldn't see.

02:34:50.000 Crazy.

02:34:52.000 But that is not what you want.

02:34:55.000 You don't want to lose a vision in an eye.

02:34:57.000 And if you're in a situation where Ilya is and he goes out and Justin hits him with a knee to that same eyeball and that eye goes blind, which is completely blind.

02:35:06.000 I'm just never not stopping.

02:35:08.000 That's the pussy's way out.

02:35:11.000 That's the bitch's way out.

02:35:11.000 Wow.

02:35:13.000 I'm not having it.

02:35:13.000 I'm never going to say no masks on me still.

02:35:16.000 It's not going to happen.

02:35:17.000 I appreciate that.

02:35:18.000 I promise you.

02:35:19.000 Know what I mean?

02:35:20.000 If I was your friend, I'd probably try to stop it.

02:35:23.000 I wouldn't let them.

02:35:24.000 I wouldn't.

02:35:25.000 Say, lad, we're fighters, aren't we?

02:35:26.000 I'd pull the doctor aside.

02:35:27.000 No, like lad, we're fighters.

02:35:30.000 I'm going to keep going here until every last breath in my body is gone until I'm unconscious or I don't stop.

02:35:38.000 Well, that's the attitude you need.

02:35:40.000 We're mentally like gladiators when they go till they had no blood left in their body.

02:35:45.000 Know what I mean?

02:35:46.000 What would you say if the UFC had different rules?

02:35:49.000 You know, like pro wrestling has like crazy matches.

02:35:53.000 What if the UFC had a 30 minute time limit fight with one round?

02:36:00.000 And you guys agree to it.

02:36:03.000 No stand ups, ever.

02:36:05.000 Zero stand ups, no rounds.

02:36:08.000 Knees to the head as long as you're not against the cage.

02:36:11.000 Soccer kicks.

02:36:12.000 Soccer kicks as long as you're not against the cage.

02:36:14.000 They should have a red line.

02:36:16.000 So within four feet of the cage, put a red line.

02:36:20.000 And you know when the opponent's in that red line, no soccer kicks, no stomps, no knees to the head rounds.

02:36:25.000 I'd be fully game for that.

02:36:27.000 It's not a bad idea.

02:36:28.000 It's not, it's a great idea.

02:36:30.000 It's more real.

02:36:32.000 My other solution was they should start every round in the same position where you ended the last round.

02:36:37.000 Where you finished the last one.

02:36:38.000 Yeah, if you take a guy down and you have him mounted and you're dropping elbows on his head and they should start you out right in the same position.

02:36:45.000 I was saying the other day, don't get me wrong, people like Marab and that, unbelievable fighters, but I don't think that stat of his, where he got 25 takedowns in a fight, I don't think that's something that should be celebrated.

02:37:00.000 Because it shows that your control is not good enough to keep him down.

02:37:06.000 In a five round fight, you should go Islam vs. JDM.

02:37:10.000 He took him down five times, didn't need any more.

02:37:14.000 He took him down five times.

02:37:16.000 Didn't need anymore.

02:37:17.000 Controlled them every time.

02:37:18.000 Controlled them every time.

02:37:19.000 Like when it's like these stats, like, oh, we took him down like 18 times in three rounds, I'm sitting there thinking.

02:37:19.000 Yeah.

02:37:25.000 That means he got up 17 times.

02:37:25.000 That means he got up.

02:37:28.000 That's not a good stat.

02:37:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:37:30.000 People celebrate these stats.

02:37:32.000 I'm like, that's not a good stat.

02:37:35.000 If I'm in a five round fight and I want to grapple, I don't want to have to make more than five takedowns, one in each round and control them.

02:37:43.000 Literally, exactly what Islam done to JDM, because that's what he done, didn't he?

02:37:46.000 He got a takedown every round and JDM did not get up.

02:37:49.000 He dominated them on the ground.

02:37:51.000 And that's the way I think it should be.

02:37:53.000 People like to celebrate all that.

02:37:55.000 Oh, he's done like 50, take 50 take down attempts in one fight.

02:37:58.000 And like, that's not good.

02:38:01.000 Well, I think Mirab, what Mirab tries to do is just overwhelm you, overwhelm you with volume.

02:38:06.000 I think that fucked him up in that third fight with Jan.

02:38:08.000 Really?

02:38:09.000 First two rounds, he came out too aggressive and too shoot and take down constantly.

02:38:13.000 And he looked tired to me in the fourth round.

02:38:16.000 Yeah.

02:38:17.000 Well, the problem is with Jan, if you're just standing up with him, he starts figuring you out.

02:38:22.000 Yeah.

02:38:22.000 Jan always takes like the first round off, doesn't he?

02:38:24.000 You know what I mean?

02:38:25.000 Like, I think he's one of the best strikers in the whole of MMA.

02:38:30.000 His striking is elite.

02:38:30.000 Absolutely.

02:38:32.000 Phenomenal.

02:38:32.000 Elite.

02:38:33.000 He does a lot of really sneaky shit, too.

02:38:35.000 Like, he throws a left hook behind a left kick.

02:38:38.000 So you're doing this and whack.

02:38:39.000 Yeah.

02:38:40.000 That body kick.

02:38:41.000 I love watching Jan fight.

02:38:43.000 I think he's so skillful.

02:38:45.000 So skillful, though.

02:38:46.000 Yeah.

02:38:47.000 So clever.

02:38:47.000 And he's got to have insane work ethic to be able to compete at that pace with Mirab for two fights in a row.

02:38:54.000 Those fights were fucking hell.

02:38:55.000 Yeah.

02:38:56.000 Hell.

02:38:56.000 Especially in the fourth and fifth round.

02:38:58.000 In that first one, the first title one, everyone counted them out.

02:39:01.000 Everyone thought, oh, Marab's just going to.

02:39:03.000 Because of what happened in the first fight, everyone's like, oh, Marab's just going to.

02:39:06.000 The first fight, Jan had a fucked up hand.

02:39:09.000 Have you watched that first fight again?

02:39:10.000 No one talks about that after it, dude.

02:39:12.000 Like, oh, Marab dominated them 50 45.

02:39:14.000 Like, it's going to be the same again when they fight for the title.

02:39:18.000 But four weight cuts in one year definitely does fuck you up.

02:39:18.000 Yeah.

02:39:21.000 100%.

02:39:23.000 Four weight cuts in one year fuck your shit up.

02:39:26.000 Just four fights in one year.

02:39:27.000 Yeah.

02:39:29.000 I did want to fight again this year, though.

02:39:30.000 I wanted to fight again in December, but then I got a couple of little injuries, a couple of little niggles, and I'm about to get them better, so I couldn't afford any of it if I wanted to.

02:39:39.000 But that probably would have been like the perfect, like January, July, November, December would have been perfect to do three way cuts.

02:39:47.000 When do you start thinking about April?

02:39:49.000 Like, when did they, if in an ideal situation, how much time does the year, if April really is where you guys are going to fight?

02:39:56.000 I'd need to, well, I'm going to Dubai for New Year and then going to Thailand for a couple of weeks with my family.

02:40:03.000 But I'll probably stay not far from Bangkok.

02:40:06.000 So I'll probably be able to go and train every day and have some good Spartan and stuff like that.

02:40:10.000 So I'll be able to train the whole time I'm there.

02:40:12.000 But say I get back 24, 25, 26 of January, I'd start camp straight away.

02:40:22.000 And where I'm in Thailand and not America, I don't think I'd be as fat.

02:40:26.000 I wouldn't be as heavy because I'm in Thailand and not in America.

02:40:29.000 And then.

02:40:30.000 That's funny.

02:40:31.000 I'd.

02:40:32.000 I just get on when I start to die straight away.

02:40:35.000 February, March, and then say it's like the first, second week of April, and I can be signed.

02:40:42.000 So, when does the UFC contact you for something like that?

02:40:46.000 How much time do they usually give you in ideal circumstances?

02:40:50.000 It always depends, to be honest.

02:40:52.000 Because Ilya just made a big post recently saying he's back, showed he's training again.

02:41:01.000 When I fought Chandler, I got told before Christmas that it could be Chandler.

02:41:08.000 I didn't fight until April, but I got told before Christmas it could be Chandler.

02:41:12.000 And then it got to February, and nothing was announced.

02:41:15.000 I was like, what's going on here?

02:41:17.000 And I think Chandler didn't want to fight that soon.

02:41:19.000 He wanted to fight in like May or May, June.

02:41:22.000 And I just said, I don't care if it's Chandler or not.

02:41:24.000 I want to fight that date because it's me.

02:41:27.000 It was my child's, it was the baby's first birthday on the 17th.

02:41:32.000 And that was the 12th.

02:41:33.000 So I wanted to fight then so then I could spend time with the kids.

02:41:37.000 And he ended up saying, Yeah, I'm fighting.

02:41:39.000 And then when I fought Gagey, everything was up in the air with that as well because of the Ilya thing.

02:41:44.000 Because Ilya was meant to be, we didn't know whether Ilya was fighting, what was happening with Ilya.

02:41:49.000 And I think that one just got announced on like an NFL game, didn't it?

02:41:53.000 I think so.

02:41:54.000 That got announced on it.

02:41:54.000 And I think that was like November, mid November.

02:41:57.000 So that was like eight weeks out.

02:41:59.000 And then with BSD, I did.

02:42:03.000 When I went to Luke's fight in London, whenever we fought Lerone Murphy, Luke had his interview and I was in the back and someone asked, When am I fighting?

02:42:11.000 And Dana went, Paddy, when do you want to fight?

02:42:14.000 And I was like, Well, I'd like to fight International Fight Week.

02:42:17.000 And then I think from that point on, like I'd said, I was going to fight then.

02:42:20.000 So, and that was March.

02:42:22.000 I think we could find out about it was definitely BSD in April.

02:42:26.000 Know what I mean?

02:42:26.000 So that was again, like 10 weeks out.

02:42:29.000 So, do you start training just as soon as you can, just assuming you're going to be fighting a leap?

02:42:34.000 I train every day anyway.

02:42:35.000 Even at the minute where I've got a little injury, I still train every day.

02:42:39.000 Still doing SC twice a week.

02:42:41.000 Still training five mornings in the gym.

02:42:44.000 Know what I mean?

02:42:44.000 Still doing two hours every morning in the gym.

02:42:46.000 When you're doing strength and conditioning twice a week, what kind of shit are you doing?

02:42:50.000 What's it got you doing?

02:42:52.000 All different sorts of stuff squats, deads.

02:42:54.000 Bench, plyometrics.

02:42:57.000 Obviously, once a week we do like cardio at the end.

02:43:00.000 Like the way Paul Reed, Paul Reed's my nutritionist, my SC coach, does all our weight cuts with us.

02:43:07.000 Know what I mean?

02:43:07.000 Does all my food.

02:43:08.000 Oh, that's convenient.

02:43:10.000 He does everything.

02:43:11.000 He's the man.

02:43:12.000 Like without him, we'd still be in the dark ages when it comes to making weight.

02:43:16.000 He changed everything on how we make weight.

02:43:18.000 So he's weighing your food out, calorie count, sodium, everything.

02:43:22.000 Everything.

02:43:23.000 Without him, we'd still be a bit fucked.

02:43:26.000 Know what I mean?

02:43:27.000 Paul Reed is the man.

02:43:28.000 Like, he looks after our whole fight team and he looks after a lot of boxers and stuff like that as well.

02:43:33.000 Now, he's known in the UK as like the man.

02:43:37.000 Like, no one, there's no one like him.

02:43:40.000 Yeah, there's a few of those guys that exist that like figure out the science of weight cutting.

02:43:45.000 And if you can get them on your side, that's exactly what he's done.

02:43:48.000 Yeah.

02:43:49.000 Like, I'll be honest, the last camp, he had a little bit of a panic with me because, like, from the Gaiji fight to like six weeks before the BSD fight.

02:44:00.000 He weighed like I had a DEXA scan and I'd put like four, six kilos, I think it was, of muscle mass on.

02:44:10.000 And he was like, You've basically done a dirty bulk.

02:44:14.000 So, not like what bodybuilders do, where they'll just eat loads of shit, but where I was still training every day and I was still having my creatine and having all my things and I was still lifting twice a week.

02:44:24.000 I'd put lots of muscle mass on.

02:44:27.000 So, we had to change everything in that camp where normally I'd have more protein than carbs.

02:44:31.000 Less protein, more carbs.

02:44:31.000 I had to switch it.

02:44:33.000 So you're trying to eat your muscle.

02:44:34.000 Yeah.

02:44:35.000 So I have to, like, get a bit of muscle off to make the weight.

02:44:35.000 Yeah.

02:44:38.000 Like, I swear to God.

02:44:39.000 Feel it in your strength, or is it?

02:44:41.000 No, it still felt good.

02:44:42.000 You know what I mean?

02:44:42.000 But did you feel any different in terms of strength?

02:44:46.000 I felt a bit stronger like coming up to it because, like he said, I'd put muscle on without like even meaning it.

02:44:53.000 And I felt stronger in the build up.

02:44:54.000 And I think that's probably the best shape I've ever been in.

02:44:57.000 Well, every fight ends up being the best shape I've ever been in because you're even fitter than the last time, right?

02:45:01.000 You build, yeah.

02:45:02.000 But I can remember being like three weeks out, flapping, thinking, I'm gonna miss weight, I'm gonna miss weight.

02:45:10.000 How much were you over?

02:45:13.000 Three weeks out, I was about 84k or something like that.

02:45:16.000 What is that?

02:45:16.000 185.

02:45:18.000 Wow.

02:45:18.000 180, 185, something like that.

02:45:20.000 Yeah, 30 pounds.

02:45:22.000 Yeah, but everything he does just works.

02:45:26.000 He said, we need to change this, we need to change that.

02:45:29.000 Boom, started falling off me.

02:45:31.000 Just follow the process.

02:45:32.000 Yeah, like everything with Paul is a science.

02:45:35.000 Not on his just like off the top of his head.

02:45:38.000 Everything he does has got research behind it and it's got a science to it.

02:45:41.000 The guy who freaks me out the most right now is Morales.

02:45:45.000 Yeah, he's making 170, he's weighing 226.

02:45:48.000 I was having a pint with him in Philadelphia.

02:45:51.000 Me and that lad, it was funny.

02:45:52.000 It was my friend, Bo Allen.

02:45:55.000 He used to play for the Eagles, he won a ring with the Eagles.

02:45:58.000 And, lad, he was sat next to Morales.

02:46:00.000 He'd never been to a UFC event before, Bo.

02:46:02.000 And he's, like, sitting there talking to Morales, asking him little things.

02:46:05.000 Doesn't know that he's, like, ranked two in welterweight.

02:46:07.000 You know what I mean?

02:46:08.000 Bo's, like, that was, like, a nose guard, whatever it is.

02:46:11.000 Big unit, he's, like, 265 pounds.

02:46:14.000 And he's asking, like, Morales things about the fights.

02:46:16.000 Know what I mean?

02:46:17.000 And he ends up sitting there having pints with him and that.

02:46:19.000 And yeah, at the end of it, when we went, he was like, That dude next to me was cool, man.

02:46:23.000 I'm like, Yeah, you know what I mean?

02:46:24.000 He was like, No, who's he?

02:46:25.000 I was like, He's like ranked two in Wellsweet, lad.

02:46:28.000 He's one of the best fighters in the world.

02:46:29.000 He's like, No shit, brother.

02:46:31.000 But it's funny as fuck.

02:46:34.000 That's funny that he didn't even tell him.

02:46:36.000 That is very funny.

02:46:36.000 He was just sat there talking to him for ages, lad.

02:46:38.000 It was hilarious.

02:46:39.000 Him and Protest is very interesting.

02:46:41.000 That's going to be a scrap.

02:46:41.000 Very interesting.

02:46:42.000 That's going to be a scrap.

02:46:43.000 Very interesting.

02:46:44.000 Like, I think they're like, Protest has come to our gym and that Protest is one of the coolest men.

02:46:49.000 You'll ever meet lad, he's so funny, lad.

02:46:52.000 I believe it, lad.

02:46:53.000 He smokes, drinks like he comes.

02:46:55.000 He was in Manchester last year, and when we had the gym night out, and he got to Liverpool that night, and someone was messaging him.

02:47:04.000 We were like, We were in this place, lad, we're in a place called Jenny's Bar on the gym night out, and lad, we got him to come and see us.

02:47:10.000 And like, I was only drinking water as well, I wasn't even on the aisle, and we had him in the bar with us.

02:47:15.000 Know what I mean?

02:47:16.000 He was like that, he's such a cool dude, glad he was boss, and then he had like a seminar in the gym the next day.

02:47:23.000 And then we took him to Anfield.

02:47:24.000 Seeing that video where I'm lighting a cigarette for him, like that was outside Anfield.

02:47:29.000 We took him on the Anfield tour, like that one, yeah.

02:47:33.000 We took him on the Anfield tour, lad.

02:47:35.000 He is one of the coolest dudes about, he's a lot of nicest, one of the nicest fellas ever.

02:47:41.000 He's a hilarious lad and he can fight like oh man.

02:47:44.000 What he done to JDM was shocking.

02:47:48.000 It was filthy.

02:47:49.000 A lot of people didn't see that coming.

02:47:51.000 It was filthy.

02:47:51.000 It was so nasty.

02:47:54.000 So good.

02:47:55.000 That knee to the body that he throws, where he sets you up, he starts throwing low kicks, he starts throwing punches, and you get the measurement of the punch, and he steps behind it with that knee to the body.

02:48:07.000 That's one of the worst beatdowns I've seen in a while.

02:48:10.000 And to a world champion.

02:48:11.000 A former world champion.

02:48:12.000 A guy who's an elite striker.

02:48:15.000 Oh, bad.

02:48:15.000 And to see.

02:48:16.000 Well, Prates, you know.

02:48:17.000 And even like he knocked.

02:48:19.000 Leon hadn't been knocked out before that, had he?

02:48:21.000 Before he fought Prates, he just lost decisions and subs.

02:48:24.000 Yeah.

02:48:24.000 Jeff Neal, when does he ever get knocked out?

02:48:26.000 You know what I mean?

02:48:26.000 Right.

02:48:27.000 And Prat has starched him.

02:48:29.000 Starched him.

02:48:30.000 Yeah.

02:48:31.000 He's fucking dangerous.

02:48:32.000 Real dangerous and super comfortable.

02:48:34.000 The thing about him, too, is a step in.

02:48:36.000 That's against Rocky, who fights Wonder Boy this weekend.

02:48:41.000 He's nasty, bro.

02:48:42.000 He's fucking nasty.

02:48:43.000 And he's so calm and comfortable in there and so relaxed.

02:48:47.000 You know, it's like he fought, he lived in Thailand for like five or six years.

02:48:52.000 And he fought over 100 times in Thailand while he lived there.

02:48:56.000 So he's constantly fighting.

02:48:58.000 So if you think 100 fights in five years is nuts.

02:49:00.000 Yeah.

02:49:01.000 It's fucking nuts.

02:49:04.000 He's just constantly fighting.

02:49:06.000 And he just got super calm.

02:49:07.000 He's fighting every week.

02:49:08.000 Yeah.

02:49:08.000 So that, which is what they do.

02:49:09.000 Like, he's like, the only way you get money is if you fight.

02:49:11.000 Yeah.

02:49:12.000 So you got to fight constantly.

02:49:15.000 I think he's brilliant.

02:49:16.000 He's one of my favorite fighters to watch now.

02:49:17.000 Me too.

02:49:18.000 Me too.

02:49:18.000 Patez is so, so fun to watch.

02:49:20.000 You know what you're getting every time he gets in the cage.

02:49:22.000 So clever and so, just the way he sets things up.

02:49:26.000 He's just like constantly reading you and then he throws these off speed punches and off speed kicks and then BLAP!

02:49:32.000 And then one comes in.

02:49:33.000 The only thing with welterweight is, what about Shafkat?

02:49:37.000 Right.

02:49:38.000 Apparently, he's still struggling with his knee.

02:49:41.000 Which is crazy how he's been out now for nearly two years.

02:49:46.000 Well, Ian Gary hit him with that oblique kick to the knee and fucked him.

02:49:49.000 Do you think that should be made illegal?

02:49:50.000 It is going to be made illegal.

02:49:51.000 Do you think?

02:49:52.000 Yes, I know.

02:49:53.000 I don't think it should be, though.

02:49:55.000 I think we're announcing it right now.

02:49:57.000 Yeah.

02:49:58.000 I don't think people know, but it's going to be made illegal.

02:50:00.000 I don't think that should be made illegal.

02:50:02.000 So you think that it should just be a thing you have to deal with?

02:50:06.000 Yeah, just like everything else when you have a fight.

02:50:08.000 I agree in some ways, but the problem is it ends careers.

02:50:12.000 It can change your career forever.

02:50:13.000 Thiago Santos against John Jones, never the same again.

02:50:17.000 The worst, I remember the worst one I ever seen was Khalil Ramsey against Modestus.

02:50:21.000 Oh, yeah.

02:50:22.000 That was the night of my debut.

02:50:23.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

02:50:24.000 That was my debut.

02:50:24.000 That sarkic to the knee.

02:50:25.000 That sarkic to the knee and the noise, he screamed.

02:50:29.000 Well, that was the first one that we ever saw that ended the fight.

02:50:31.000 Shavkat, he kept fighting.

02:50:33.000 You know, Ruzboyev, who recently got his knee blown out by, oh, it was MVP.

02:50:41.000 MVP blew up Ruzboyev's knee.

02:50:43.000 Same thing.

02:50:44.000 He immediately went right into surgery.

02:50:46.000 And he probably, I mean, Rizboyev is a giant middleweight, fucking really interesting guy.

02:50:51.000 Who knows where his career is now?

02:50:53.000 I just think it's like, it is what it is.

02:50:56.000 It's another part of fighting.

02:50:56.000 It is what it is.

02:50:58.000 There's an argument for that.

02:50:59.000 I think, though, for the 12 to 6 elbows, ever should have been illegal.

02:51:03.000 Ever.

02:51:03.000 You know why that was illegal, though, right?

02:51:05.000 Yeah, because of the karate board there.

02:51:07.000 It's hilarious.

02:51:09.000 It's just so stupid, though, isn't it?

02:51:11.000 The people in the commission thought it was too deadly.

02:51:15.000 Because they were breaking bricks.

02:51:17.000 Like, John Jones should be undefeated.

02:51:19.000 That's another fight.

02:51:19.000 Undefeated.

02:51:20.000 Except for the Dominic Reyes fight.

02:51:21.000 Oh, yeah.

02:51:22.000 I think that would have got him.

02:51:24.000 I think a lot of people think that.

02:51:25.000 I think a lot of people think.

02:51:27.000 John thought it after the fight.

02:51:28.000 He's like, I think I might have been bested tonight.

02:51:31.000 First three, I thought Reyes won the first three, and then the championship rounds Jones took.

02:51:35.000 But I think it didn't take him enough.

02:51:35.000 I think so too.

02:51:38.000 Reyes still had his moments.

02:51:40.000 It's just amazing how these fights change the course of careers.

02:51:46.000 There is a lot like that.

02:51:47.000 I think the worst decision I've ever watched live, though, was.

02:51:52.000 Shogun Machida.

02:51:55.000 Yes.

02:51:56.000 Yes.

02:51:56.000 I thought that was terrible at the time.

02:51:58.000 It was a bad decision.

02:51:59.000 At the time, I can remember watching that thinking, wow, how insane.

02:51:59.000 You're right.

02:52:03.000 Shogun came back with a Venice fight.

02:52:04.000 Oh, he had a TKO in the first fight.

02:52:05.000 Yeah.

02:52:06.000 In that second fight, he came back angry.

02:52:08.000 You're right.

02:52:09.000 That was a bad decision.

02:52:09.000 Yeah.

02:52:10.000 I don't know if it's the worst, but it was definitely a bad one.

02:52:15.000 It was a bad one.

02:52:17.000 But Shogun's probably in my favourite fight of all time.

02:52:20.000 Oh, he's not racist.

02:52:23.000 He's one of the people.

02:52:24.000 Yeah.

02:52:25.000 That was.

02:52:26.000 Ooh, craziness.

02:52:27.000 Just absolute chaos.

02:52:28.000 That was late in his career.

02:52:30.000 Yeah.

02:52:31.000 After the Pride fights, right?

02:52:32.000 After the Pride Wars.

02:52:34.000 Because the Pride Wars were fucking bananas, man.

02:52:37.000 And I always think about him breaking his arm that time.

02:52:39.000 And when he shogun based out on his arm, just snap.

02:52:42.000 Who was that against him?

02:52:44.000 Was it Randleman?

02:52:46.000 No, it wasn't Randleman, or was it?

02:52:48.000 I can't remember who it was.

02:52:49.000 I can't remember who it was, but he soaked you, was it?

02:52:52.000 Maybe soaked you.

02:52:53.000 I can't remember.

02:52:54.000 I don't remember either.

02:52:55.000 But I can remember him just basing out on his arm.

02:52:58.000 I completely forgot about that until you brought it up.

02:53:02.000 When I first got into MMA, we're going down a proper rabbit hole.

02:53:06.000 Proper, proper rap.

02:53:07.000 He's just getting into all the old school fights.

02:53:09.000 What's this?

02:53:10.000 Who was like your favourite fighter when you were coming up?

02:53:10.000 What's this?

02:53:13.000 When I first started watching, I think it was Big Nog.

02:53:18.000 Because of like Pride.

02:53:19.000 Yeah.

02:53:20.000 I remember watching that fight against Bob Sapp when he got two on his head and he still won.

02:53:25.000 Yeah, and Arm Bardem.

02:53:26.000 Bob Sapp was 350 pounds with abs.

02:53:28.000 Crazy.

02:53:29.000 With abs.

02:53:31.000 Rampage.

02:53:31.000 I used to love Rampage Jackson.

02:53:33.000 Oh, yeah, man.

02:53:34.000 The fight what got me into MMA though, I was like 14 in the youth club and one of the lads, Kyle Wilson.

02:53:39.000 Was watching the UFC at the time put a fight on, and it was Diego Sanchez and Cleguida.

02:53:45.000 Oh, that one was killing me.

02:53:46.000 What are you laughing at, Jamie?

02:53:48.000 Sorry.

02:53:49.000 What?

02:53:49.000 What's so funny?

02:53:50.000 Mark Coleman freaking out after this arm break?

02:53:52.000 Oh, it was Mark Coleman, yeah.

02:53:53.000 But watch the referee.

02:53:55.000 He can't stop him.

02:53:56.000 He's like going crazy.

02:53:58.000 Grabs his little leg.

02:54:02.000 Just tossed him to the side.

02:54:04.000 He's going crazy.

02:54:05.000 Because he didn't know the fight was stopped yet, I guess.

02:54:06.000 I don't know.

02:54:07.000 Yeah, there's an arm.

02:54:07.000 Yeah.

02:54:08.000 I remember.

02:54:09.000 For some reason, I thought it was like someone else, but yeah, his arm snapped.

02:54:13.000 Yeah, Clay Gweed and Diego Sanchez.

02:54:15.000 Crazy that he was even fighting Mark Coleman.

02:54:17.000 I know, and he's about 50 pounds heavier than him.

02:54:19.000 He's an 85 pounder in the UFC, and here he is fighting Mark Coleman, who was the former UFC heavyweight champion.

02:54:27.000 Clay Gweed and Diego Sanchez are fascinating.

02:54:28.000 Oh, that's madness.

02:54:30.000 Straight up madness.

02:54:31.000 Unbelievable.

02:54:32.000 Yeah, madness.

02:54:33.000 One of the first live main events I watched was Belfort vs. Rich Franklin.

02:54:38.000 Oh, that was a good one.

02:54:40.000 That was a good one.

02:54:41.000 UFC 103, and then I joined the gym like two weeks later.

02:54:44.000 I was to say the rest is history.

02:54:47.000 Listen, brother, it's been a fun history.

02:54:49.000 You've done a lot already and you've got a lot more to go.

02:54:52.000 And it's very exciting.

02:54:54.000 Yeah.

02:54:54.000 I'm glad we finally did this.

02:54:55.000 I know.

02:54:56.000 It's been a long time coming.

02:54:57.000 I've been waiting to go with this for ages.

02:54:59.000 Yeah.

02:54:59.000 Thank you very much, brother.

02:55:01.000 No, thank you for having me, Joe.

02:55:02.000 I appreciate you.

02:55:03.000 I'm looking forward to seeing you hopefully in April.

02:55:05.000 Hopefully.

02:55:05.000 Hopefully, we get to beat someone up in April.

02:55:08.000 But we'll see what happens the coming months, coming weeks.

02:55:10.000 See what happens with the lightweight division because it is in a bit of a clusterfuck at the minute.

02:55:15.000 It's a crazy division, but it's an awesome division.

02:55:17.000 And then, if that's true as well, Osman has just been signed, then there's another head in the mix as well, isn't it?

02:55:23.000 Yeah, another one.

02:55:25.000 It's a great division.

02:55:26.000 Thanks, brother.

02:55:26.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:55:27.000 Thank you very much.

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The Joe Rogan Experience - November 11, 2026

JRE MMA Show #188 with Paddy Pimblett

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