The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #19 with Vinny Shoreman & Liam Harrison

00:00:04.000 Boom, and we're live with my pal Vinnie Shorman and eight-time world Muay Thai champion Liam Harrison.

00:00:10.000 Yeah, thank you for having me.

00:00:11.000 Fuck yeah, dude.

00:00:12.000 Great to be here.

00:00:13.000 Great to see you guys, too.

00:00:14.000 Yeah, we love it.

00:00:15.000 Listen, man, I'm a big fan of all combat sports, but I really believe that if there's one sport that doesn't get its due, it's Muay Thai.

00:00:21.000 I really don't understand why it hasn't taken off in America.

00:00:24.000 I don't get it.

00:00:26.000 I love boxing.

00:00:27.000 Boxing's a lot of fun.

00:00:28.000 I think Muay Thai is twice as fun.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, it's twice as hard as well, I think.

00:00:32.000 I mean, I've fought pro boxing and I've had over 100 Muay Thai fights.

00:00:36.000 It's definitely a lot harder.

00:00:38.000 I mean, it is getting more mainstream now along with the MMA because most of the top MMA fighters are doing Muay Thai for the stand-up, but it's still not where it needs to be.

00:00:46.000 Yeah, it's weird, right?

00:00:48.000 Yeah, I mean, I think what puts a lot of people off Muay Thai is maybe the two-minute break and also the...

00:00:56.000 Two-minute break in between rounds?

00:00:58.000 Yeah, and the traditional music and stuff like that.

00:01:00.000 People find that hard to take, too, really, which is...

00:01:02.000 I mean, I love it, so I don't see that problem, but I can see outside the box with that as well.

00:01:07.000 Well, I feel like the two-minute break gives guys more of a chance to recover, which makes the fights more exciting.

00:01:12.000 You have more energy, and I don't care about the dance, the Y crew.

00:01:17.000 That doesn't bother me.

00:01:18.000 Yeah, but you're a fan, aren't you?

00:01:19.000 You're a martial arts fan.

00:01:20.000 I mean, just sit down and watch the Bears.

00:01:21.000 I am, but watch baseball.

00:01:22.000 Baseball's so fucking boring.

00:01:24.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:01:24.000 It's crazy how boring it is.

00:01:26.000 A lot of shows in England now, they've started to cut out all the traditional stuff.

00:01:29.000 There's no Ramuini, no Y-Crew.

00:01:31.000 You just get in the ring, get your face off, the bell goes, go straight away.

00:01:34.000 So they're trying to cut little aspects of it out just to make it more fan-friendly, really.

00:01:40.000 Yeah, we should probably explain to people that don't know what we're talking about, though.

00:01:42.000 The dance that they do, it's called the Y-Crew, right?

00:01:45.000 Yeah, they're unwired.

00:01:47.000 What is the headband they put on?

00:01:49.000 The Monkong.

00:01:50.000 That's the Monkong.

00:01:51.000 And when you're doing the dance, the idea is like to warm up?

00:01:55.000 Yeah, there's lots of different reasons why there's different camps, different things, mainly to do with Buddhism, sealing the ring and then taking, you know, with plain respect to your gym, your coaches, your parents, etc.

00:02:09.000 Yeah, I mean, I enjoy doing it.

00:02:11.000 It sort of prepares me mentally for what's about to happen.

00:02:15.000 I've done it in nearly all my 108 fights, only the odd one or two where I've missed it when that's only been because I've been told by the promoters, right, no wrong way.

00:02:23.000 I enjoy doing it, but like Vinny said, some people who come to watch it, they just want to see fights.

00:02:27.000 They don't want to see that aspect of the sport as well.

00:02:29.000 They just want to see people getting torn up.

00:02:31.000 And in case anybody didn't catch that through that dense accent, he just said 108 fights.

00:02:37.000 That's fucking crazy, man.

00:02:38.000 That's a lot of fights.

00:02:39.000 It is for a Westerner, but a lot of the ties I'm coming across, they're all 200, 300 plus.

00:02:45.000 I remember last year I fought a tie And they said, oh, Liam's had 100 fights.

00:02:50.000 That is a lot.

00:02:51.000 What do you think?

00:02:51.000 And he said, I've had 100 fights when I was 15 years old.

00:02:55.000 Wow!

00:02:56.000 That was Singh Damu who said that about it.

00:02:58.000 100 fights when he was 15?

00:02:59.000 How is that even possible?

00:03:00.000 I'm not sure.

00:03:01.000 You fight every week, don't you?

00:03:02.000 Yeah, 52 weeks a year.

00:03:04.000 It's a living, isn't it?

00:03:05.000 Yeah.

00:03:06.000 If they don't eat, they don't.

00:03:07.000 In Thailand, if you don't fight, you don't eat.

00:03:09.000 So, see ya.

00:03:10.000 There's no welfare or anything like that, so they have to do that.

00:03:13.000 I had former UFC champion Pat Miletic in yesterday and we were talking about Muay Thai and how crazy it is that this one place, Thailand, developed this completely effective style.

00:03:24.000 Like, they changed the way people fight.

00:03:26.000 I mean, they really did.

00:03:27.000 If you look at all the other martial arts, whether it's karate or kung fu or anything else, they figured it out.

00:03:33.000 Yeah, without a doubt.

00:03:35.000 But what's happening now is as well, the Westerners are starting to catch them up now.

00:03:38.000 I mean, remember the first time I went to Thailand, not many people were going and not many people knew about fighting that Thai way.

00:03:45.000 More and more Westerners now are going to live there.

00:03:47.000 They're staying there for long periods of time.

00:03:49.000 They're getting it down and we can compete with the top level Thais now.

00:03:52.000 Wow.

00:03:53.000 Before, like back in the day, there might have been like only Ramon Decker, Danny Beal, obviously John Wayne Parr, them guys.

00:03:59.000 Yeah, Ronnie Green as well from England.

00:04:00.000 Yeah, Ronnie Green from England.

00:04:01.000 But now there's a lot, especially around Europe, French fighters, top level, British guys.

00:04:06.000 We've got Danny McGowan in England.

00:04:07.000 He's doing it.

00:04:08.000 I mean, we are starting to really compete with people on top level now.

00:04:11.000 Is Muay Thai more popular in Europe than it is in America?

00:04:14.000 Yeah.

00:04:15.000 There's massive shows on in Europe every weekend.

00:04:17.000 In America, the main one is Lion Fight.

00:04:21.000 We've got two or three huge promotions in England now.

00:04:25.000 Jokau, there's Tanko, the French, they have massive shows on every weekend with top, top level fighters on.

00:04:33.000 All over Poland and everywhere, he's getting huge.

00:04:36.000 I'm a big fan of Lion Fight, but it seems to me that there's a lot of times where these guys come over and they're fighting someone that really doesn't belong in there with them.

00:04:44.000 And you get to see like a Lerdzilla or something like that.

00:04:46.000 That would be absolutely ridiculous.

00:04:47.000 The guy's first fight against the guy who's had 400 fights, like one of the best Thai champions of this era.

00:04:52.000 Yeah, and his first ever professional Muay Thai fight.

00:04:55.000 That's the difference between Yoko and everything else, you know?

00:04:59.000 They do it in such a way that the matchmaking, Brian Caldery does a matchmaking, our friend, the fights are like really, really always, always competitive, which I really enjoy.

00:05:11.000 And you've been doing commentary for them for how long?

00:05:13.000 I've been doing commentary for Yoko since 2011. I met Stefania when I was working for It's Showtime, and she asked me to work for them.

00:05:22.000 I still have some of the old It's Showtime on my old...

00:05:25.000 I have a DVR in my gym that's like fucking 10 years old, and I still have your voice screaming out over some It's great!

00:05:33.000 It's great!

00:05:34.000 You know what, I was going to say as I've matured, but after the shenanigans we've got up to in the past, you'd be surprised.

00:05:41.000 But no, it's, you know, Yoko's gone from strength to strength, you know, and it's Showtime offshoots like Glory and Fusion, who I work for now.

00:05:51.000 You know, it's so healthy at the minute.

00:05:54.000 It's so healthy, kickboxing and Muay Thai.

00:05:56.000 Well, it's so high level.

00:05:58.000 It's just, to me, I mean, I've sat down and thought about this alone by myself for hours on end, trying to think, like, what would be the way to get Muay Thai more popular in America?

00:06:07.000 Because me, as a person who loves combat sports, I look at Muay Thai and I'm like, this is the pinnacle of striking sports.

00:06:14.000 It's the most exciting to me.

00:06:16.000 I like the clinch.

00:06:16.000 I like the elbows.

00:06:17.000 I love kickboxing.

00:06:18.000 I love glory.

00:06:19.000 But I feel like there's something missing with that.

00:06:21.000 Like, just the stuff that you were showing me today, with all the trips and sweeps and all that stuff that's Eliminate it from glory.

00:06:28.000 The thing is with Liam as well, though, because he's got a friend-friendly style.

00:06:32.000 You know, he's not particularly a clincher, but he's crash-bang-wallop in 150mph.

00:06:37.000 I mean, I'm not going to lie, I'm his biggest fan.

00:06:40.000 I mean, if you listen to the commentary, he's totally 100% biased.

00:06:44.000 And I I don't fucking care.

00:06:45.000 No, I love the kids, you know what I mean?

00:06:46.000 I've known him since he was 15. I'm on my back-up floor and he's like, look how well he's lying down!

00:06:51.000 Oh, he's doing it great!

00:06:52.000 He wears them ankles, mashing, he does!

00:06:54.000 But, you know, for me, it's his style that makes it exciting, you know?

00:06:58.000 Yes, I think that with the TV thing...

00:07:01.000 I think, to get it more popular, you need to pick and choose what fights you're putting on the TV. If you just put a random show on with three fights that are terrible but one's okay, you need to, instead of it being live, maybe pick and choose some good fights, get it out there, get people talking about it, make them think, wow, did you see that?

00:07:17.000 Did you see them elbows?

00:07:18.000 Did you see all that blood?

00:07:19.000 Did you see them sweeps?

00:07:20.000 That's what I think.

00:07:21.000 That's what I'd do personally.

00:07:23.000 I feel like if a network like Fox took a chance and had one Saturday night and they promoted it and we're going to show you the most dangerous stand-up strikers on the planet Earth.

00:07:33.000 You might think that professional boxers are the most dangerous strikers, but they literally wouldn't last two rounds.

00:07:39.000 They'd get their legs kicked out from under them, they'd get kneed in the body and elbowed in the face, they'd get cut up and clenched and thrown to the ground.

00:07:45.000 It's just a better style of fighting.

00:07:48.000 And a guy like you on TV would be a whole lot of fun.

00:07:51.000 I'm a big fan of the way you fight, man.

00:07:53.000 You fight like you got rabies.

00:07:56.000 It's like what Vinny said.

00:07:59.000 I've always had that type of style, but you know what?

00:08:02.000 Sometimes I've probably lost fights on points because of...

00:08:06.000 If I had changed my game plan, I probably could have won, but that's just not what I'm about.

00:08:10.000 I get in there and people coming to watch me fight and paying their hard-earned money to come and watch me fight.

00:08:14.000 They want to see me smash someone's leg.

00:08:16.000 They want to see me knock someone out.

00:08:17.000 They want to see, even if it goes a distance, they want to see me...

00:08:21.000 Put it all in there and people are paying their money for that.

00:08:23.000 So I feel like I've got a moral obligation to give them that.

00:08:26.000 I mean, I can fight technical as well.

00:08:28.000 I've had lots of fights in the past where I've just gone in with that game set and I've schooled top-level fighters.

00:08:36.000 But I don't like doing that.

00:08:37.000 I want to get in there and I want to fuck you up.

00:08:40.000 I don't like you doing that either.

00:08:42.000 I'm not going to be, you know...

00:08:43.000 You don't like when you fight technical?

00:08:45.000 Listen...

00:08:46.000 He can't do any wrong in my eyes.

00:08:48.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:49.000 You can't.

00:08:49.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:50.000 Liam's killed the family for nothing.

00:08:51.000 They must have done something to him saying.

00:08:54.000 But, no, I just think that, you know, his style, the way that the show that we work on, I work on regularly, Yoka.

00:09:02.000 I mean, to have that level of...

00:09:05.000 It's matchmaking.

00:09:07.000 See, Muay Thai's like anything.

00:09:08.000 If it's done well, it's beautiful.

00:09:10.000 If it's done badly, it's hard to watch.

00:09:12.000 Including boxing.

00:09:12.000 You know, like one of the reasons why we're talking about the Gennady Golovkin-Canelo Alvarez fight.

00:09:16.000 I mean, one of the reasons why we're so looking forward to the fight, not just because the first fight was so great, because stylistically, you look at the way those two guys fight, like, how could this be a bad fight?

00:09:24.000 It's impossible.

00:09:25.000 They can't.

00:09:25.000 Now they're both saying they're going to both change different game plans and stuff, and it's got everyone thinking again, oh, well, what is going to happen this time?

00:09:30.000 There's no change whatsoever.

00:09:32.000 Someone's going to get hit and it's going to be guns blazing.

00:09:34.000 Team GGG. Team GGG. We've been to hunt him.

00:09:37.000 We were looking for him the other day at Big Bear.

00:09:40.000 Yeah, you guys went stalking like Bear Girls.

00:09:42.000 100%.

00:09:42.000 Sat in a restaurant where he eats.

00:09:44.000 He came over and said, oh, what would you like?

00:09:45.000 I went, I'll have what GGG has, please.

00:09:47.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:09:47.000 The GGG's special.

00:09:49.000 And when we was in there, we were sat there and Liam was like across from me.

00:09:53.000 And I went, there's Tom Loeffler.

00:09:55.000 And he went, it's GGG. He's a manager.

00:09:58.000 And they've been getting all chairs out and stuff, setting these chairs out, and I thought, he's going to arrive!

00:10:04.000 I couldn't eat my food, I got so excited, I pushed my plate away, I can't eat it, I can't eat it.

00:10:08.000 He's going to be here anymore right now.

00:10:09.000 And we were sat there for age and he didn't turn up.

00:10:12.000 But we met Freddie Roach the day before.

00:10:13.000 Freddie Roach is a sweetheart.

00:10:15.000 What a guy.

00:10:16.000 What a guy.

00:10:16.000 He's a real sweetheart.

00:10:18.000 He took us down and let us watch sparring and stuff, and we were like...

00:10:21.000 Yeah.

00:10:22.000 But he wasn't even that.

00:10:22.000 He stood with us for half an hour.

00:10:24.000 We were talking about boxing.

00:10:25.000 He was interested in when I was fighting and stuff like that.

00:10:27.000 He didn't have to be like that.

00:10:29.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:10:29.000 I bet he gets people walking in there all the time wanting to meet him and stuff.

00:10:32.000 But he took time out talking to Vinny about all different other types of fights.

00:10:35.000 Let us watch some top-level fighters spar.

00:10:38.000 He was really interested.

00:10:39.000 Great guy.

00:10:40.000 Absolute legend.

00:10:41.000 He's very genuine.

00:10:42.000 I got to interview him back when he was training George St-Pierre.

00:10:44.000 When George St-Pierre was under him.

00:10:46.000 He's just as down-to-earth as you or you.

00:10:49.000 Just a regular guy.

00:10:50.000 Yeah, he's a good guy, man.

00:10:52.000 He was over the moon to meet you.

00:10:53.000 And man, talk about a guy who's been around the world and seen it all.

00:10:56.000 That guy.

00:10:57.000 You know, training Pacquiao.

00:10:59.000 Fuck, man.

00:10:59.000 And you know what?

00:11:00.000 I thought he said something about, I don't know if Pacquiao's going to train with him for this fight.

00:11:04.000 And he kind of likes, and he was so engaging and endearing about Pacquiao, wasn't he?

00:11:09.000 Saying, oh, Pacquiao plays basketball, even though he's been with him 16 years.

00:11:13.000 And he's just gone, oh, well, if he goes and does something else or he finds out of a train, he was like, oh, well, he likes basketball.

00:11:18.000 He's just a...

00:11:19.000 He doesn't give a fuck.

00:11:20.000 He's got money.

00:11:21.000 He doesn't give a shit.

00:11:21.000 And, you know, I mean, his health has been such an issue over the last few years.

00:11:25.000 He has trauma-related Parkinson's, which has got to be very interesting when you're, you know, training fighters and you realize, like, you're suffering from fighting yourself.

00:11:33.000 Yeah.

00:11:35.000 Just meeting him, seeing how grounded and down to earth he is, I couldn't believe it.

00:11:40.000 Have you gone to a wildcard gym yet?

00:11:42.000 Yeah, that's where we went.

00:11:44.000 What was his name?

00:11:47.000 George Camboso Jr?

00:11:48.000 Yeah, the kid from Australia.

00:11:49.000 Good guy.

00:11:49.000 Watch out for him, 14-0.

00:11:52.000 Sharp.

00:11:53.000 Really sharp.

00:11:55.000 It's crazy too when you go up to that gym, you hear so much about it and you're like, eh.

00:11:58.000 It's about as big as this room.

00:11:59.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:12:00.000 It's not a big fucking gym.

00:12:01.000 We were sweating in all sorts, weren't we, on the way up?

00:12:04.000 Yeah, no, it's a legendary spot, you know?

00:12:07.000 Yeah, it's a great place.

00:12:08.000 So you're in America doing some seminars.

00:12:10.000 Yeah, fire, fury, focus seminars.

00:12:15.000 Vinny's doing all his NLP mind coaching stuff for an hour and a half and then I take over and do all the physical aspects, Muay Thai, all the little tricks and sweeps and other stuff that I was showing you there.

00:12:26.000 Stuff that I've used throughout my career to help me get to where I am.

00:12:30.000 And NLP is neuro-linguistic programming?

00:12:33.000 Is that what you're doing?

00:12:33.000 Yeah, NLP. But it's mainly to language and things, tricks that I've put up from over the years.

00:12:39.000 It's not all NLP, you know?

00:12:40.000 It's a little bit of hypnosis, hypnotic language, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:43.000 Right, right.

00:12:44.000 And it gets them in a learning state.

00:12:45.000 So what I do is I prepare them in a learning state, give them confidence, build them up, so they can start to take on what Liam teaches.

00:12:53.000 So it's a double whammy, really.

00:12:54.000 So he teaches you some brilliant techniques, as you're aware.

00:12:57.000 And then I just do my bit to get them where they have to get to.

00:13:00.000 Before I met you, I thought that hypnosis was for idiots.

00:13:03.000 I thought you'd have to be a dummy.

00:13:07.000 I'm like, yeah, you're getting me with that shit.

00:13:10.000 And then when you hypnotized me, I was like, wait a minute, this is real?

00:13:15.000 Wow.

00:13:16.000 I tried to explain it to people.

00:13:19.000 I'm like, it's not...

00:13:20.000 What you think.

00:13:21.000 It's not like you don't know where you are, you don't know what's going on, all of a sudden your pants are off.

00:13:26.000 It's not like that.

00:13:27.000 It's like you achieve this weird state of mind that you're aware of.

00:13:31.000 You do it.

00:13:32.000 Yes.

00:13:32.000 All I do is guide it.

00:13:34.000 You do it.

00:13:34.000 And then the client does it, whether I do it with you or actors.

00:13:38.000 We've got an actor friend called Mike Parr, who I've been working with, who loves it, and Warren Brown people.

00:13:44.000 Does he use it to help his act?

00:13:45.000 Yeah, he mentioned me on a program called This Morning, which is a daytime show in England, and he went on it.

00:13:53.000 It's in a soap opera called Emmerdale.

00:13:55.000 He's known Liam a long time and known me less time because I'm not in that long time.

00:13:59.000 He's your biggest fan, by the way.

00:14:00.000 He's your biggest fan.

00:14:02.000 Hey, Mike!

00:14:02.000 What's up, Mike?

00:14:03.000 There you go.

00:14:04.000 You met his year.

00:14:05.000 Yeah.

00:14:05.000 So yeah, I've done work with him, and since we're going on your show, which I really do appreciate it, because my work's gone from a businesswoman of the year, CEOs, and everyone now, it's just gone crazy, because they needed a convincer, and you was it, so thanks very much.

00:14:23.000 Well, it's legit.

00:14:24.000 I'll tell you right now.

00:14:25.000 I mean, I don't know about other people, but you know how to do it.

00:14:27.000 Thank you.

00:14:27.000 And it gave me some very interesting understanding about the mind and thought processes and how it works.

00:14:34.000 And that expression that you like to use all the time, Hakalao.

00:14:38.000 Hakalao.

00:14:38.000 I think about that.

00:14:39.000 Explain what that is to people.

00:14:41.000 Hakalao is increasing your peripheral vision.

00:14:44.000 It's increasing your awareness, just by basically cutting off your chitter chatter that goes on in your mind.

00:14:50.000 If you see Liam, when he fights, before he fights, he pushes his gloves together and goes into Hakalao every single time.

00:14:59.000 What that does, and I haven't shown you that yet, but I will show you later on if you wish, Is you anchor the gloves.

00:15:05.000 So you anchor a positive state in the gloves and you push them together and you find hackalow and it just gets you in a...

00:15:11.000 Well, you can explain that.

00:15:12.000 What's unique about these seminars is, why I wanted to do them is because I've worked with them myself before and all the stuff that he's teaching and I know it works myself.

00:15:20.000 The first time I used Vinny, it's the story how it all started.

00:15:23.000 I fought a top-level tie called Anawat Kawasamri, he nicknamed it Ironhands of Siam.

00:15:29.000 He had like an 80% KO ratio and I went to fight him in Jamaica.

00:15:33.000 I knew I could beat him but there were a few aspects that just didn't go right with training.

00:15:36.000 It didn't go right at the time.

00:15:37.000 Michael Jackson died.

00:15:40.000 I'm not going to lie.

00:15:42.000 That fucked my shit up.

00:15:43.000 Really?

00:15:44.000 It fucked you up when Michael Jackson died?

00:15:46.000 Yeah, I'm a massive fan.

00:15:47.000 Everyone who knows me knows I'm a massive fan.

00:15:50.000 He's out of my life.

00:15:53.000 I'm not blaming Michael Jackson for losing that fight.

00:15:56.000 No, but you really were.

00:15:58.000 You were a massive Michael Jackson.

00:15:59.000 Massive, massive.

00:15:59.000 Did you ever come out to his fights?

00:16:01.000 Yeah, smooth criminal, bad guy.

00:16:04.000 Nice.

00:16:05.000 But yeah, I fought this Thai champion in Jamaica.

00:16:09.000 Like I said, a few things didn't go right, and he smashed me to pieces.

00:16:12.000 It was the first time I ever got stopped.

00:16:15.000 I knew I could beat him.

00:16:16.000 I'm good at reading fighters.

00:16:17.000 I knew I could beat him.

00:16:18.000 So I begged and begged and begged for the rematch and promoter brought him.

00:16:21.000 About six, seven months later, I brought him to England.

00:16:23.000 MEN Arena.

00:16:24.000 Massive show.

00:16:25.000 Biggest show the country's ever seen.

00:16:27.000 And Vinny had spoke to me before in the past.

00:16:29.000 He said, do you ever want to do a little bit of work?

00:16:30.000 I know.

00:16:30.000 I'm mentally strong.

00:16:31.000 I'm mentally strong.

00:16:32.000 I don't need to.

00:16:33.000 But to build up to that fight, I thought, you know what?

00:16:36.000 I'm going to train as hard as I've ever done before anyway, but there's no point.

00:16:40.000 You can never be too prepared.

00:16:41.000 I said, oh Vinny, can we do a little bit?

00:16:43.000 And we did loads of different techniques and we had like key words, like warrior were one of them.

00:16:50.000 The warrior was the main one.

00:16:51.000 Yeah.

00:16:52.000 Bear in mind, the reason why Liam was reluctant to work with me is the first time he met me, I stole a wheelchair.

00:16:59.000 Drunk.

00:17:00.000 I didn't steal it.

00:17:02.000 I didn't tip anyone who was disabled out of the wheelchair just for everyone at home.

00:17:05.000 Fucking Brits.

00:17:06.000 I know.

00:17:06.000 But I was drunk at a show at Lee's Town Hall.

00:17:08.000 I'm sure his coach Richard Smith remembers all Lisa.

00:17:12.000 Anyway, so it was a reluctant because I like to mess about.

00:17:16.000 I like to be silly, etc.

00:17:18.000 But he came to me and we worked together.

00:17:23.000 My take on this story is, I was commentating at the time with a great guy called Rob Cox, who lives in Thailand, who knows everything about Muay Thai.

00:17:31.000 Rob Cox knows everything.

00:17:32.000 He's the kink.

00:17:34.000 Simple.

00:17:35.000 And I was commentating with him.

00:17:36.000 Now, Liam came to me and I wanted to put a word in that would keep him strong, so it was warrior.

00:17:43.000 Now, what was really weird is I was commentating on the...

00:17:45.000 You can watch it on YouTube.

00:17:46.000 When I'm commentating on the fight, He looks at me at round four, because I can see him.

00:17:51.000 And he looks through his trainer, Richard Smith, and Andy House, and his cousin, who's a five-time world champion as well, so it's in a family.

00:17:57.000 And he looks over at me, and he goes, warrior.

00:18:00.000 He looks straight in my eyes.

00:18:02.000 I don't remember doing that either.

00:18:04.000 The state I was in when I was fighting, he couldn't hurt me.

00:18:08.000 Bearing in mind how badly he smashed me to pieces in the first fight, I didn't get hurt with anything.

00:18:13.000 It was like I was in some total state.

00:18:15.000 I was so on point, I was making him miss.

00:18:17.000 I schooled him really.

00:18:18.000 I beat him pretty convincingly on points.

00:18:19.000 That's amazing.

00:18:21.000 I went to the after party afterwards, I had a bottle of water.

00:18:25.000 Sat down.

00:18:25.000 Passed out.

00:18:26.000 Collapsed.

00:18:26.000 Ambulance came and got me.

00:18:27.000 Took me to hospital.

00:18:28.000 I had a really bad concussion.

00:18:30.000 Wow.

00:18:31.000 But it just caused the state I was in, in the fight, and I didn't feel a thing.

00:18:36.000 Everything just...

00:18:37.000 I had my eyes.

00:18:38.000 I didn't feel anything.

00:18:39.000 It was weird.

00:18:40.000 It was hard to explain.

00:18:41.000 You get so emotionally invested in it as well.

00:18:43.000 You know I'm his biggest fan.

00:18:45.000 When he came over, he said thank you.

00:18:46.000 I was like...

00:18:47.000 It was my dad's birthday that day as well, so there were a lot.

00:18:51.000 I know his dad and his family and that, and I was so overwhelmed by it, but look, I mean, it's only one aspect of it.

00:18:57.000 He's got a fantastic coach in Richard Smith and Lisa Smith and all the gangs like Jordan, Badger, you know, Andy, everyone, Steve Campbell, he's got so many people around him.

00:19:10.000 I'm just one little bit, but it was weird because he went, warrior, and I said to him, do you remember saying warrior?

00:19:15.000 He went, no.

00:19:15.000 I didn't remember at all.

00:19:17.000 I had to look back at the video and watch it.

00:19:19.000 The concussion probably had a lot to do with that.

00:19:21.000 Maybe.

00:19:21.000 I look back at the video and there's a left duck in round four and my head nearly like, whoo, spins round.

00:19:26.000 I think that was the one.

00:19:27.000 That probably it.

00:19:27.000 Yeah.

00:19:28.000 You know, it's interesting that that's catching on mental coaching.

00:19:31.000 It really is.

00:19:32.000 And there's a lot of fighters that used to dismiss it that I know now are using mental coaches.

00:19:36.000 I've had conversations with them before in the past, and I was like, what do you think about sports psychologists?

00:19:41.000 What do you think about mental...

00:19:42.000 I don't need that shit.

00:19:43.000 And then years later, a loss or two later, their mind's in a weird place, and then they decide, okay, I need something like that.

00:19:52.000 The thing is, I think that fights are won and lost in the changing rooms.

00:19:55.000 In the locker room, as you say.

00:19:57.000 You know, one little, it's like a tiny bit of anthrax thrown in a reservoir of poisoning the whole city.

00:20:03.000 I think that's what it does mentally.

00:20:04.000 I've seen fighters in the dressing room who I've trained with in the gym and they have been so strong, had so much power in the gym, they've been the best ever.

00:20:12.000 And I've seen them in the changing rooms and I've seen them start to go to themselves, it's going to be hard this, isn't it?

00:20:18.000 It's strong, isn't it?

00:20:19.000 And I can see him just starting to deflate and change.

00:20:22.000 A lot of fighters do have that problem.

00:20:24.000 Dwarfed by the moment, it's called.

00:20:27.000 That's a common thing with everything.

00:20:29.000 With any kind of performance, anything where you're doing something that's difficult.

00:20:33.000 But fighting has such dire physical consequences that the overwhelming anxiety and the pressure.

00:20:40.000 You see it so many times, guys who are really good fighters, that they have panic attacks in the dressing room.

00:20:46.000 They just can't handle it.

00:20:47.000 It's like interviews as well.

00:20:49.000 I mean, you get such a diverse mix of clients that it's everything.

00:20:54.000 It's what it means to you, isn't it?

00:20:55.000 So that your fight against whoever the hardest fighters, Thai boxers in the world that they keep matching you with.

00:21:01.000 And your job or your interview or, like Mikey, the lines that you have to do or your show.

00:21:07.000 I think it's all relative to you, you know?

00:21:10.000 Anxiety is a big scourge.

00:21:12.000 Yeah, anytime you have to do anything difficult, anxiety comes into play.

00:21:15.000 But it just doesn't come into play in anything remotely except war.

00:21:20.000 It's like war is like the highest level of it.

00:21:22.000 And then you get below that is like probably police officers and, you know, first responders.

00:21:28.000 Then it's fighters.

00:21:29.000 Indeed.

00:21:29.000 It's like there's nothing like it.

00:21:31.000 That walk to the fucking ring, you know, I mean, and you're just thinking about, did I do enough?

00:21:35.000 Did I sleep enough?

00:21:37.000 Did I eat right?

00:21:37.000 You know?

00:21:38.000 Yeah, and you see it.

00:21:40.000 I see so many...

00:21:41.000 I think that's why I kind of got into it as well, you know, with different things.

00:21:45.000 I saw so much potential.

00:21:47.000 See, you know, the first time, one of the first times I met him, I was training someone to fight him.

00:21:53.000 Oh, wow.

00:21:53.000 And I was like, right, listen, he's only a kid.

00:21:56.000 So what you got to do, get in his face and punch him in the face hard.

00:21:59.000 As often as you can, he'll soon quit.

00:22:01.000 How wrong was I? I'm only 15. How old was the other guy?

00:22:06.000 28. Oh, Jesus!

00:22:08.000 What was his name?

00:22:09.000 What was his name?

00:22:09.000 Mark Castellane.

00:22:10.000 Mark from Liverpool, yeah?

00:22:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:11.000 You fought a fucking 28-year-old when you were 15?

00:22:14.000 Right, I fight at 65 kilos now.

00:22:16.000 My first fight were at 60 kilos when I was 14, so I've always been big for my age, and then when I got to 15, I just stopped growing.

00:22:24.000 So when I was 14, I had a beard, and I looked like a Yeti, and all sorts.

00:22:28.000 I was big in school.

00:22:31.000 So I was having to fight a lot older people.

00:22:33.000 I was having to fight men.

00:22:34.000 I think when I was 14, one of my first fights without any protection, I had to fight a 28-year-old.

00:22:40.000 I went my first 29 pro fights all unbeaten.

00:22:44.000 It wasn't until I fought a Thai champion.

00:22:46.000 I got a bit of an hiding, called Duol, that I realised I have to change up my game plan here and have to go to Thailand.

00:22:54.000 Learn how they're doing, fight like them.

00:22:55.000 What is the difference?

00:22:55.000 What is the difference when you train in England versus when you train in Thailand and how they fight?

00:23:01.000 What is the difference?

00:23:02.000 Well, over there, I stayed there for about 18 months in Thailand and I just lived in the gym like the Thais did.

00:23:07.000 So we woke up in the morning, we went running, came back, pad work, a bit of clinch.

00:23:11.000 Not too intense in the morning, but then the afternoon session, three in the afternoon, the scorching hot heat, three till six.

00:23:17.000 I mean, most classes in England, they might be, what, an hour, an hour and a half?

00:23:20.000 At least for three hours, intense.

00:23:23.000 Second workout of the day.

00:23:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:24.000 So you're skipping for half an hour, straight off of that, straight on the pads, seven, eight rounds, straight off of that, straight into sparring, straight off of that, straight into clinching with the ties, and anyone who knows how strong the ties are, clinching as well, it was absolute torture every single day.

00:23:38.000 But I loved it, and I don't think without...

00:23:40.000 Doing that, I don't think I'd have been able to compete with the top-level tyres that I have done.

00:23:45.000 Now, though, how much Richard has progressed with my gym in England, I feel like we've got so many top-level fighters now who are at that level, I feel like I don't have to go over there and do it anymore.

00:23:56.000 We've got the stable in bad company now, we've got the knowledge, we've got the experience, we've got the...

00:24:00.000 Andy Howson, Jordan Watson, young Joe Craven coming through.

00:24:04.000 We've got all these strong, strong animals in the gym that we probably want to...

00:24:08.000 Well, we are.

00:24:08.000 We have been one of the best gyms in Europe for a long time now.

00:24:11.000 Now, do you work out the same amount of time?

00:24:14.000 Do you do a morning session and then do a three-hour afternoon session too?

00:24:17.000 Yeah, so what I'll do in the morning, I'll go down, I'll probably do kick pads with my boss, Richard, and then maybe a bit of play sparring with Jordan or a run.

00:24:25.000 So then in the evening, I've got PTs all day in between this, though.

00:24:28.000 That's the only difference.

00:24:29.000 Personal training?

00:24:29.000 Yeah, I teach as well, full-time.

00:24:32.000 So I might have five hours of PTs to do in between all this.

00:24:36.000 That's exhausting.

00:24:37.000 Yeah, it is.

00:24:38.000 Especially the way you teach.

00:24:39.000 Yeah.

00:24:39.000 You get very intense.

00:24:40.000 I like to be hands-on and I like to get involved.

00:24:44.000 It is tiring.

00:24:45.000 I just have to make sure my diet's on point and stuff like that because if I have a day where I eat shit and then I'm exhausted and I can't get the most out of my second training session and then I get to five o'clock, I'll go run again.

00:24:54.000 I kick pads again, and that's when Richard will do like...

00:24:57.000 So you run twice in a day?

00:24:58.000 Some days.

00:24:59.000 Wow!

00:25:00.000 Yeah, I don't run farther.

00:25:01.000 I'll do more 5Ks, but fast.

00:25:03.000 The way I see it, we move tight.

00:25:04.000 It's explosive stuff, so I do more hill sprints and more sprint work than I do a long distance.

00:25:09.000 The only time I do my really long distance is if I need to drop my weight down drastically.

00:25:12.000 But when you're fighting five free-minute rounds, it's not a long time.

00:25:15.000 It's like...

00:25:16.000 So I do more explosive work, like...

00:25:19.000 Hill sprints with my strength coach and stuff like that, plyometric explosive workouts.

00:25:25.000 That's the only thing that's missing in Thailand, really, the strength and conditioning.

00:25:28.000 But a lot of gyms out there now are getting hold of that and changing up there.

00:25:31.000 Super pros doing it where I go with Robbie Timmers and Sharoon, who's trained.

00:25:35.000 Like I just said, Alistair Overeem's over there.

00:25:38.000 And Bada has been there a few times.

00:25:41.000 A lot of the Dutch go over there in Koh Samui and they've got a CrossFit place now.

00:25:46.000 They've got like a new sort of Metafit place.

00:25:49.000 Yeah, in Yokau Centre as well.

00:25:51.000 So a lot of them are catching up, you know, and, you know, doing it over there as well.

00:25:56.000 So they're kind of catching up.

00:25:57.000 I know that Bam Chemeck, I know that Borkau does a lot of strength and conditioning.

00:26:02.000 He looks like he does a lot of it.

00:26:04.000 Yeah, he does.

00:26:04.000 I was at his last fight against Johnny Risco and he lost.

00:26:08.000 Johnny Risco was amazing that night.

00:26:10.000 He was just on him.

00:26:11.000 Didn't give him any rest.

00:26:12.000 How long ago was this?

00:26:14.000 About how long ago?

00:26:14.000 Last week, wasn't it?

00:26:15.000 Last week.

00:26:16.000 How old is Bull Cow now?

00:26:17.000 35. He's coming to the twilight now.

00:26:21.000 He's a legend though.

00:26:22.000 Yeah, he is.

00:26:23.000 I got a chance to see him fight in LA. They've had some fights.

00:26:27.000 They tried to do some pay-per-view events and stuff like that out here.

00:26:30.000 It's just for whatever reason it never caught on.

00:26:33.000 Yeah, we did a Muay Thai in America.

00:26:34.000 Yeah, Andy Falk.

00:26:35.000 Yeah, Andy Falk.

00:26:36.000 Twice on it.

00:26:37.000 That's how I met.

00:26:37.000 They were good shows, them as well.

00:26:39.000 Wicked shows.

00:26:39.000 Yeah, real good fives.

00:26:41.000 Yeah, they were wicked shows.

00:26:42.000 That's why I met Brian Dobler, who's our friend who's looked after us here.

00:26:46.000 Fontana, California in the house.

00:26:47.000 Yes, sir.

00:26:48.000 Double dogs.

00:26:49.000 That's where our seminar is on Saturday, our last one.

00:26:51.000 And, yeah, it was a shame because we love it here, don't we?

00:26:56.000 We don't want to go home.

00:26:58.000 I really wish I could figure out a way to get it to catch on.

00:27:00.000 I just don't understand what's wrong.

00:27:02.000 I guess it is getting there with the MMA and stuff.

00:27:05.000 I remember the first time I ever fought main event on a show in England and I got paid this much.

00:27:11.000 But now I'm headlining shows and I'm getting paid up there now.

00:27:15.000 There's a lot of people that are saying, it's going nowhere, it's going nowhere.

00:27:17.000 He's bringing that mic in front of you.

00:27:19.000 I've watched it go from there.

00:27:22.000 Right to where it is now in my career, and where it's come from is massive.

00:27:25.000 It's a massive gap from where it was.

00:27:28.000 If it does keep going like this, it will eventually get there, but it's just slowly, slowly, slowly.

00:27:32.000 We've always seen much more Muay Thai talent come out of England and out of Europe than we have out of America, for whatever reason.

00:27:39.000 There's been some standout fighters in America, but it's the big shows.

00:27:42.000 There's a lot of big shows in Europe, and that's just really never been the case here.

00:27:46.000 Yeah, I mean like Yokau is the one now.

00:27:49.000 Everyone wants to fight on Yokau.

00:27:50.000 I have nothing to do with the promotion.

00:27:52.000 I'm just a Yokau fighter and I get people messaging me all the time.

00:27:55.000 Oh, how do I get to fight on Yokau?

00:27:57.000 Who do I contact?

00:27:58.000 And I mean like hundreds of messages all the time of people asking.

00:28:02.000 Everyone does.

00:28:03.000 That's the show that everyone wants to be on.

00:28:04.000 It's the biggest, outside of the main stadium ones in Thailand, the biggest in the world by a country mile.

00:28:10.000 Do they do internet pay-per-view?

00:28:12.000 No, they don't, and I think that's something they should look at, really.

00:28:15.000 Yeah, I've said this for ages.

00:28:16.000 Yeah, because even though it's big, it's small, if that makes sense, in numbers that come to the show.

00:28:26.000 It's like 3,000 or something like that, which isn't massive, but it's always jam-packed.

00:28:31.000 And I think when you're selling tickets for a show, people say, oh, I can buy it for five quid and sit at home and watch it instead.

00:28:37.000 Yeah, there should be an international, then maybe perhaps...

00:28:41.000 Geoblock, because I know that Infusion do that, who I work for.

00:28:44.000 Geoblock?

00:28:45.000 What do you mean?

00:28:45.000 Yeah, it means that you can't watch it in your country.

00:28:48.000 But everyone else worldwide.

00:28:50.000 So think about it, everyone in America.

00:28:52.000 Oh, so that people will go to see it.

00:28:54.000 So you buy tickets.

00:28:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:56.000 So where does it air?

00:28:57.000 Does it air on television?

00:28:59.000 No, it...

00:29:01.000 We do the show, and then they put the fights out, and they kind of feed the fights out over YouTube.

00:29:07.000 I think they may put it on their Facebook page.

00:29:10.000 But the fights on that show, every single fight is a war.

00:29:14.000 Every single fight could headline any show around the world.

00:29:17.000 We have got some right kids coming through.

00:29:18.000 I'm a massive fan of Stuart Stabler.

00:29:20.000 There's never a boring show, is there?

00:29:21.000 No.

00:29:21.000 Ever.

00:29:22.000 And even when Liam's not on it, which is, you know, obviously the highlight for me because he's been mate and he brings thunder, doesn't he?

00:29:28.000 It's a storm.

00:29:28.000 But we've got some new kids coming through that are just...

00:29:31.000 Like I just mentioned, Stuart Stabler and Joel Craven and these kids coming through that are just...

00:29:37.000 And watched him taking on his style and taking on their own style and there's some real dangerous kids coming through.

00:29:43.000 Now, I would imagine with your style, your style is so physically intensive and so aggressive, how well do you monitor your diet?

00:29:54.000 I have to do it when I'm close to a fight.

00:29:58.000 If I don't, like I say, I'm going to have no energy.

00:30:00.000 Do you cut weight?

00:30:02.000 Yeah, I used to cut a lot more than I do now.

00:30:04.000 I might do about £8 now, but I might start the fight camp and be only £10 over.

00:30:09.000 That's nothing crazy.

00:30:11.000 No, not a lot at all.

00:30:12.000 My last four or five fights, the day before the weighting, have I been on weight without having to get in a sauna or without having to go run in a sweatsuit or anything like that?

00:30:19.000 As I've got older, I've got wiser.

00:30:21.000 Did you just realise it was draining you too much?

00:30:23.000 Yeah, of course.

00:30:24.000 Especially as I got older.

00:30:25.000 When I was younger, I could get away with it.

00:30:26.000 I might be able to get in the sauna and lose like 3-4 kilos of the weight and then still get in there and knock someone out or stop someone.

00:30:32.000 But I had a few mistakes as I got older as I was growing where I missed weight and it made me just think, what am I doing here?

00:30:38.000 Get on point with it.

00:30:40.000 Because as soon as you start to do stuff like that, promoters don't want to work with you, you get a bad rep.

00:30:44.000 And this was about seven, eight years ago now, and I haven't done it since.

00:30:47.000 I've made sure I've been on point with everything.

00:30:49.000 To be honest, it's down to me.

00:30:50.000 My missus a lot as well.

00:30:51.000 She looks after me.

00:30:53.000 She goes out and works hard all day, but whenever I get in from the gym about half, seven, eight o'clock, there's healthy food there for me and stuff.

00:31:00.000 What kind of food do you eat?

00:31:01.000 Do you specify?

00:31:02.000 Not really.

00:31:03.000 A lot of people cut out carbs and stuff.

00:31:05.000 I'm training so hard and sweating all day and burning so much calories and my PTs and stuff.

00:31:09.000 I don't need to cut out my carbs.

00:31:11.000 That's a big factor.

00:31:12.000 People need to understand that when they're talking about low-carb diets.

00:31:15.000 It's really dependent upon how much exercise you do.

00:31:17.000 If you're running twice a day and you're doing three-hour workouts in the afternoon, you're going to need some carbohydrates.

00:31:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:31:23.000 I don't need to cut them out.

00:31:24.000 Even in the last week, a lot of people will be saying, oh, last week, fight camp, waiting's coming up, I need to cut my cows out.

00:31:29.000 I'll still get up in the morning and have a massive bowl of porridge.

00:31:31.000 I'll still have rice for my dinner and my fish and my salad and stuff like that as well.

00:31:34.000 I don't need to cut it out.

00:31:36.000 But like I said, that's down to how much work I'm doing and stuff like that.

00:31:40.000 The amount you're burning.

00:31:41.000 I mean, Jesus Christ, the amount of calories you must be burning.

00:31:44.000 It's insane.

00:31:44.000 I had my watch on the other day, and I think I'd done something like almost nearly 5,000 or something ridiculous.

00:31:49.000 5,000 calories?

00:31:50.000 I wore it all day from my training and my PTs and stuff like that.

00:31:53.000 That's insane.

00:31:54.000 Just think about eating 5,000 calories a day.

00:31:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:31:56.000 You can't.

00:31:57.000 Yeah, you can't.

00:31:58.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:32:00.000 So do you limit the amount of personal training you do?

00:32:04.000 As the fight gets close, I have to.

00:32:07.000 If I've not got a fight coming up, I'll only train once a day just to keep sharp and keep on top of my game.

00:32:13.000 I might be able to do seven hours, no problem.

00:32:17.000 But as the fight gets closer and closer, I'll cut down and cut down and cut down because obviously I don't want my body being tired.

00:32:23.000 I've got a lot to lose every time I fight.

00:32:27.000 This is the brand now with these seminars and stuff as well, so I need to make sure I'm going in there as on point as I can be.

00:32:33.000 So you think about it that way?

00:32:35.000 You think about it as, like, you're basically a business?

00:32:38.000 Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah.

00:32:40.000 And I've got a lot riding on it every time I fight.

00:32:43.000 I think that has been for a long time now.

00:32:45.000 I mean, like, all the country gets behind me, but there's a lot of players out there as well that want to see me lose, and they love it when I lose.

00:32:51.000 Tell me who they are!

00:32:52.000 I will hunt them down with your bow!

00:32:56.000 Well, there's no getting around that, man.

00:32:58.000 If you're doing well, there's going to be people that hate you.

00:33:00.000 Exactly.

00:33:00.000 And a lot of it, really, they just hate themselves.

00:33:03.000 That's really what it is.

00:33:04.000 There you go.

00:33:04.000 Perception is projection.

00:33:05.000 Well, yeah, I mean, what it is, is they see someone who's out there who's exceptional.

00:33:08.000 And it makes them compare their own life to this guy who's out there smashing everybody with 108 fights.

00:33:14.000 And they go, fuck that guy.

00:33:16.000 He's a pussy.

00:33:17.000 I put a video on me kicking the pudsy over there.

00:33:20.000 I got about four or five, I've probably got loads more on that actually, but there were four or five comments that I noticed saying kicking that wrong.

00:33:27.000 I thought, I'll just click on the profile, just have a look at them.

00:33:29.000 They're all just selfies of themselves, eating chocolate bars, and one of them with a dog.

00:33:32.000 They're all about 175 kilos.

00:33:34.000 Someone told you this.

00:33:37.000 We put a video up the other day.

00:33:40.000 I was holding boxing pads for Liam while he's out here.

00:33:42.000 I saw that.

00:33:44.000 And someone said, you're dropping your left hand.

00:33:46.000 I was like, alright then.

00:33:47.000 Thanks, fucking Sugar Ray Leonard.

00:33:49.000 If you ever have a fight, you're going to get knocked out.

00:33:51.000 What do you mean if I ever have a fight?

00:33:53.000 It's a 109th fight.

00:33:56.000 It's just hilarious that someone would actually say to you that you're kicking wrong.

00:34:01.000 If anybody, all my friends out there that get flustered by people criticizing them on social media, I want to point them to that.

00:34:07.000 Liam fucking Harrison, someone's telling him that he's kicking wrong!

00:34:12.000 That makes me want to cry because I'm laughing so hard.

00:34:17.000 That's how fucking stupid some people are.

00:34:19.000 But that just shows you that when you have an open forum where anyone can comment, anyone can say something, you're going to run into a certain amount of those people.

00:34:27.000 There's just no getting around it.

00:34:28.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:34:29.000 You just can't look at the comments.

00:34:31.000 You can't read that shit.

00:34:33.000 You just get assassinated from all corners.

00:34:36.000 Well, the thing is, those people, they might not even mean what they're saying.

00:34:41.000 It's verbal diarrhea.

00:34:42.000 They're just blah.

00:34:43.000 They're just angry.

00:34:44.000 They're upset.

00:34:45.000 The thing is though, even if I looked at someone's video and I thought their technique weren't on point or anything like that, I wouldn't even go on and write it.

00:34:51.000 I mean, what gives you the right to go on and try and put someone down?

00:34:55.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:34:57.000 Well, this is what I was going to say.

00:34:59.000 Have you seen it?

00:35:01.000 Of course, if it was a competitor or someone like that, maybe someone's getting undue accolades, and you're like, this ain't shit.

00:35:08.000 You know, or if someone you're supposed to fight.

00:35:10.000 Not when you're like 420 pounds sat around just eating burgers all day.

00:35:14.000 It's ridiculous, do you know what I mean?

00:35:15.000 Bet he can eat more than you, though.

00:35:16.000 Good point.

00:35:17.000 Maybe not.

00:35:18.000 5,000 fucking calories, man.

00:35:21.000 It's true.

00:35:22.000 I've sit down with some fighters and you watch them eat and you're like, where the fuck is all that going?

00:35:26.000 You know?

00:35:28.000 I mean, there's very few things in life that burn off more calories than throwing kicks.

00:35:32.000 You know?

00:35:33.000 Especially the way you throw them.

00:35:35.000 You're like, ah!

00:35:37.000 This is the amount of fucking energy you're generating.

00:35:41.000 Yeah, I mean, when I'm on the pads and stuff, every training session I put 100% in, especially when I'm on the pads.

00:35:46.000 Your pad work is fucking awesome to watch.

00:35:49.000 It's very inspirational.

00:35:50.000 It's very fun.

00:35:51.000 Obviously as well with that, that's just a little clip of what I'm doing on the pads.

00:35:54.000 I mean, my old pad work isn't just me trying, well, sometimes it's just me trying to smash the pads to pieces, but obviously there's a lot more technical aspects to it.

00:36:00.000 That's just like a little clip where I'll look through what someone's filming and go, oh, that was good, so I'll put it on.

00:36:04.000 But obviously there's bits where Richard's stopping me and putting me right on what I'm doing wrong, technique, working the game plan and stuff like that.

00:36:10.000 They're obviously just little snippets that I just put up of me doing things wrong, apparently.

00:36:15.000 But obviously there's a sparring now, a different technical side to it as well as that, but...

00:36:20.000 I mean, that is like my style, but I don't fight totally just like that.

00:36:24.000 Just smash, smash, smash.

00:36:25.000 You've got to be smart about it.

00:36:27.000 Especially at the level I fight.

00:36:28.000 If I just started smashing things like that, I'm just going to walk onto a shot.

00:36:32.000 At that level, it's going to be game over.

00:36:34.000 Yeah, there's no way.

00:36:35.000 Now, do you, in between fights, do you train with people that have other styles or different styles, like maybe some Kyokushin guys or someone who's doing something different?

00:36:45.000 I train a lot of MMA fighters at the minute.

00:36:49.000 I've got quite a lot of guys coming to me.

00:36:50.000 I've been doing a bit of work with Mark Diakisi from the UFC. He's been training me a little bit.

00:36:55.000 He's out in Florida now training there.

00:36:57.000 There's a gym in Leeds where I'm from called AVT. It's like a real hotbed, some top MMA guys out there.

00:37:03.000 I've got a young kid called Louis Lee Scott, 17 years old, 7-0 in MMA. He'd been doing Muay Thai, but he's going to be an absolute superstar in MMA, no doubt.

00:37:14.000 His style, what he's got going on is so good because he's got the stand-up that we were, but we found like a medium to pull it into the MMA. So his eyes are on point, his movement's on point, but he still finds himself in the positions to land the Muay Thai strikes with all that power, still generate the power and still be out of there fast enough and quick enough.

00:37:32.000 Not to be getting taken down and losing balance and falling all over the place.

00:37:35.000 So watch out for him.

00:37:37.000 He's a good kid.

00:37:38.000 He's just signed with MTK, which is Mack the Knife Global, which I'm going to be working with.

00:37:43.000 They've got boxers, so I work with the mind side of that.

00:37:45.000 So they're getting on to it now.

00:37:47.000 But they've also gone into the MMA side.

00:37:48.000 Tills signed with them as well, haven't they?

00:37:49.000 Yeah, Darren Tills.

00:37:51.000 They've signed them too.

00:37:52.000 They've got boxers, they've got Billy Joe Saunders, who I know you like, and Tyson Fury and blah, blah, blah.

00:37:57.000 But they've also got an MMA side run by Kieran Kettle.

00:38:00.000 And yeah, they've just signed Louis.

00:38:02.000 Louis is exceptional.

00:38:02.000 Well, the UFC's now coming to Liverpool, and Darren Till's going to be in the headline.

00:38:06.000 But he doesn't have a fight yet, correct?

00:38:08.000 Nothing confirmed yet, no.

00:38:09.000 I'm hoping it's going to be Usman.

00:38:11.000 Kamaru Usman and him are going back and forth on Twitter.

00:38:14.000 That guy gets no love.

00:38:16.000 Kamaru Usman, 7-0 in the UFC, smashes everybody.

00:38:19.000 Everybody's scared of him.

00:38:20.000 Nobody calls him out.

00:38:22.000 I'm pretty sure Till will be scared of him.

00:38:23.000 He'd love it, Till, wouldn't he?

00:38:24.000 Yeah, he loves it.

00:38:25.000 Yeah, they've been going back and forth.

00:38:28.000 I think Till's the guy for him.

00:38:29.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:38:30.000 What fight that would be?

00:38:31.000 And stand-up-wise, Till has a massive advantage, and then on the ground, Usman should have an advantage.

00:38:36.000 So it's a very interesting fight.

00:38:38.000 Yeah, interesting fight.

00:38:38.000 Usman's a fucking tank, too.

00:38:40.000 That guy's a fucking animal.

00:38:42.000 Yeah, I've not seen too much of him, but...

00:38:43.000 It's because everybody's scared of him.

00:38:45.000 They can't get fights.

00:38:46.000 Well, there you go.

00:38:47.000 Usman is a fucking stud.

00:38:49.000 I mean, that guy is no joke.

00:38:51.000 There's very few people calling that guy out.

00:38:53.000 Yeah, but Till will be loving that.

00:38:54.000 Oh yeah, Till's the one that's calling him out.

00:38:56.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:38:56.000 He thrives on stuff like that.

00:38:58.000 I've known Darren since he was 16 years old and we used to train together like Muay Thai back in there.

00:39:03.000 He used to come over to my gym bag company with his coach and we used to work together and then pad work him and do bits with him.

00:39:09.000 And he's always had that attitude and never been scared of anyone.

00:39:12.000 Always I've been like, yeah, whatever, bring it on, bring it on.

00:39:14.000 I believe there hasn't been a single guy in the UFC with one fight that's got as much hype as that guy.

00:39:20.000 One fight fights Cowboy, smashes him.

00:39:23.000 I mean, you see what he did to Cowboy.

00:39:25.000 Yeah, well, everyone knew that he's the real deal as well.

00:39:27.000 He's always been special.

00:39:28.000 He's one of these kids, like when I seen him growing up, he's one of these kids that just comes, and he's special.

00:39:32.000 And I mean, the city's behind him, everyone, because he comes to our gym, where I train, Four Corners Gym, with John Gillies and Barley and all them, and Mick and Alan.

00:39:41.000 And he comes down there, sticks his head in, but he doesn't train.

00:39:43.000 But I haven't trained there, but he comes and sees us, and he's a great guy.

00:39:46.000 But his coach, Colin Herron, I grew up with, kind of, because I was training with a Thai gold master scan, and we used to do demos and stuff, because believe it or not, I used to be alright.

00:39:56.000 But Colin was always a little bit better, and since then he's got a carbon gym, and he's had UFC fighters from Liverpool, but now he's got this star in Darren, and the whole city, a bit like him in Leeds, they just get swamped by people.

00:40:11.000 Now is this when Darren was fighting Muay Thai that he became popular?

00:40:14.000 Yeah, well, when he fought, we were tied, didn't he?

00:40:16.000 He were always, like, one of the most naturally talented kids you would ever see.

00:40:20.000 He was with Simon Audley, then, a different coach.

00:40:21.000 Yeah, he used to come down to our gym and he'd have a fight coming up and he would just be wiping the floor with everyone.

00:40:28.000 He didn't even really train hard back then, either.

00:40:29.000 He used to come down, he was a young kid, he'd mess around, he'd run riot and...

00:40:33.000 Didn't really hardly train, but still turn up, fight and win.

00:40:36.000 Since then, someone with that natural talent, he's now got that dedication, that hard work.

00:40:41.000 So someone who's that naturally talented and who's going to work that hard, that's going to be a force to be reckoned with.

00:40:47.000 When he stepped in and caught Cowboy with that left elbow, did you see that fight when he stepped in and just drove up that elbow and smashed Cowboy's nose?

00:40:56.000 You're like, wow, that was fast.

00:40:59.000 It cuts distance so quick as well.

00:41:01.000 But Colin, his trainer, he was a...

00:41:03.000 He trained Muda Quan, is it?

00:41:05.000 Taekwondo?

00:41:06.000 Muda Quan, yeah.

00:41:07.000 Yeah, he was like Black Belt at 11 or something like that.

00:41:10.000 And, you know, he's just...

00:41:11.000 Colin takes no bullshit.

00:41:14.000 Colin just says, that's the way it is.

00:41:15.000 A bit like Richard.

00:41:16.000 That's the way it is.

00:41:17.000 That's what you've got to do.

00:41:18.000 That's what you're doing.

00:41:19.000 And since Darren's had that influence in his life, like Liam said, and obviously the story about him going to Brazil, It's just been another level.

00:41:28.000 What makes a guy naturally talented?

00:41:30.000 Take a guy like Darren Till.

00:41:32.000 When you say naturally talented, what is about a guy like that that just picks things up quicker?

00:41:37.000 I don't know.

00:41:38.000 It's hard to explain.

00:41:39.000 Some people just walk into a bad company gym and they'll have two or three lessons and they'll just be able to have that flow, the movement, the rhythm and stuff like that.

00:41:47.000 Darren was like that ever since I remember when he first started.

00:41:50.000 I remember his coach saying, I've got this kid, you need to see him.

00:41:52.000 You need to come and look at him.

00:41:54.000 Southport, should see him kick.

00:41:55.000 He's only been training in a few months.

00:41:57.000 And when I saw him, I was like, he looks like he's a seasoned pro, five, six years of training.

00:42:01.000 We've had plenty of walk-in now, Jim, at Bad Company.

00:42:04.000 And they'll come in, they'll have a few fights, and they're like, it's all right, this.

00:42:08.000 But as soon as it gets hard, and the level steps up, and they realise how hard they have to work to actually compete at that level, that's the end of them.

00:42:14.000 You don't really see them anymore.

00:42:15.000 And it's like the biggest waste of talent you've ever seen.

00:42:17.000 We've had plenty of walk-in now, Jim.

00:42:19.000 It's not many...

00:42:21.000 Talent's not enough.

00:42:22.000 No, not when you get to that level.

00:42:24.000 It is to a certain level when you can get yourself out of jail, but when the level steps up and everyone's working hard and people who are as talented as you are working hard, then that's when you're going to be in trouble.

00:42:34.000 That's why Darren's gone off and done what he's done and shown what he's all about.

00:42:39.000 There's this class, my youngest daughter, she's seven, she takes martial arts, she takes this mixed martial arts class.

00:42:45.000 There's this five-year-old in this class, and they're doing drills in their bag, and I'm watching this five-year-old kick the bag.

00:42:51.000 He's got his hands up high, he's moving like this, da-da-bang!

00:42:55.000 Turns the hip over perfect even a switch kick and I'm watching this five-year-old and I went over to his parents and I went if I was a strike if I was like a Coach that was looking to recruit a fighter at a young age I grabbed that fucking kid like that kids special like there's something that he figured out at five at five all the other kids you're looking at all the other kids in the class they're They're flailing their arms all over the place.

00:43:20.000 Not paying attention.

00:43:21.000 They're kicking up.

00:43:23.000 This fucking kid is like this.

00:43:25.000 His hands are glued right below his eyes.

00:43:27.000 Bang, bang, crack.

00:43:29.000 Bang, bang, crack.

00:43:30.000 At five!

00:43:31.000 Our kids' class at Bad Company, I don't like training upstairs at the same time when they're on because all the technique is so good.

00:43:37.000 It's embarrassing sometimes.

00:43:38.000 You look at them all and you think, like, from six to 12, these are amazing.

00:43:41.000 But like I say, it's only the ones that really want it, who are really willing to put the artwork in.

00:43:45.000 We'll go from the next level and the next level and the next level.

00:43:48.000 Because a lot drop off, no matter how talented.

00:43:50.000 Not a lot of people like having to go to that place where you need to go to get to a good level.

00:43:55.000 Yeah, he doesn't like people watching him when he can't do things well either.

00:43:58.000 Like when he's learning things, he likes to go over in the corner and practice things on his own.

00:44:02.000 It's very interesting when you watch someone who's just got a special inclination towards something.

00:44:06.000 There's a kid called Shea Williams from Liverpool and all the blokes are talking about.

00:44:10.000 He's eight.

00:44:12.000 I'm friends with his dad, Mick.

00:44:14.000 Everyone's talking about an eight year old.

00:44:16.000 All these guys, you know, these big, strong, like, all right, me fucking all have you seen that kid?

00:44:20.000 He's fucking brilliant.

00:44:21.000 Eight years of age.

00:44:23.000 Lovely kid, but he's just one of these kids that can do everything.

00:44:26.000 Dad, I can balance on one hand.

00:44:28.000 I'll tell you what the best video on YouTube is that we saw the other day as well.

00:44:32.000 Them two young, the black American kids.

00:44:34.000 Oh my God.

00:44:35.000 The boxing coaches.

00:44:36.000 The kids It's amazing.

00:44:37.000 Did you see that?

00:44:38.000 Yes.

00:44:38.000 And the coach and what he was saying, the one holding the pad.

00:44:40.000 He was right.

00:44:41.000 He knows more than most boxing trainers I've ever seen in my life.

00:44:43.000 And he's like five years old.

00:44:45.000 Exactly.

00:44:45.000 And the hand speed.

00:44:47.000 Unbelievable.

00:44:49.000 Amazing.

00:44:50.000 Yeah.

00:44:50.000 Brilliant.

00:44:50.000 Best video I've seen all year.

00:44:52.000 Absolutely amazing.

00:44:53.000 Yeah, whoever fucks with that kid in school.

00:44:56.000 Yeah, they're in trouble.

00:44:56.000 That's a big problem.

00:44:58.000 Maybe it's that kid that sent that thing saying you're dropping your left hand.

00:45:00.000 If it is him, you better fucking listen up.

00:45:02.000 I'm sorry.

00:45:03.000 Yeah, you better listen up, man.

00:45:05.000 You're getting hated on by six-year-olds.

00:45:09.000 I think it's interesting today, too, as opposed to in the past, that you can watch videos like that.

00:45:15.000 And then, you know, before, you'd have to, like, watch a VHS tape and sit down and analyze it and pause it.

00:45:21.000 Like, now you could be at a fucking bus stop on your phone and you could watch world-class fighters instantly.

00:45:26.000 Instantly.

00:45:27.000 The thing with that is, as well, though, with the internet, as well as being able to watch world-class fighters instantly...

00:45:32.000 Here's a kid.

00:45:33.000 Look at this kid.

00:45:35.000 That's him and his dad, I guess.

00:45:36.000 Look at that fucking technique!

00:45:39.000 Unbelievable.

00:45:40.000 Look, it's incredible.

00:45:41.000 He ducks under.

00:45:42.000 I mean, everything.

00:45:43.000 Blocking punches.

00:45:45.000 Fucking amazing, man.

00:45:46.000 Look at that!

00:45:47.000 He goes to the body!

00:45:49.000 That's crazy.

00:45:50.000 I mean, he looks like he's four.

00:45:51.000 That's a different kid.

00:45:52.000 That's an even tinier kid.

00:45:54.000 Yeah.

00:45:55.000 Very impressive.

00:45:56.000 But yeah, the thing with the internet as well, though, what's starting to happen now, though, a lot, especially in the UK, people will say, right, we're trying to match your show.

00:46:03.000 Right, we've got a guy here.

00:46:04.000 He's had three fights.

00:46:05.000 Your guy's had three fights.

00:46:06.000 Let's match him.

00:46:07.000 And they go, ooh, no, give me his name.

00:46:08.000 I need to search him on YouTube.

00:46:10.000 I need to search his Facebook.

00:46:11.000 I need to search this.

00:46:11.000 So as well as being a blessing, it's a curse for stuff like that, because...

00:46:15.000 Back when I started fighting, Richard would just go to me, I'd walk in the gym, Richard would go, you're fighting on Saturday?

00:46:20.000 This might be on Wednesday.

00:46:21.000 I'd go, alright.

00:46:24.000 Turn up Saturday, you have your fight, but now it's like, I want to know his name, his gym, what's his Facebook.

00:46:28.000 Isn't that a badge of courage too, to be able to do that?

00:46:31.000 That's something that people would always admire, like a guy that would come into the gym and someone would say, would you like to fight this weekend?

00:46:36.000 They'd go, fuck yeah.

00:46:37.000 Yeah, martini man, anytime, anywhere, any place.

00:46:39.000 Yeah, I mean, that is what you're here for.

00:46:42.000 Everyone in our gym has always been like that.

00:46:44.000 Well, I'm sure it trickles down from you.

00:46:46.000 Yeah, of course, from Richard.

00:46:47.000 The thing is, as well, we've got a big junior circuit now with Joao.

00:46:50.000 We've got Joao Next Generation.

00:46:52.000 How do you feel about that, about little kids fighting?

00:46:54.000 They don't fight head contact.

00:46:56.000 No head contact.

00:46:57.000 Just leg kicks, body kicks.

00:46:58.000 It makes them more skilled, does that.

00:47:00.000 A lot more skilled.

00:47:01.000 Catching kicks, low kicks, push kicks and everything.

00:47:03.000 Some of the kids we've got.

00:47:05.000 We've got another kid called...

00:47:05.000 They can't head kick either?

00:47:07.000 No, just strictly body.

00:47:08.000 We've got some kids from Richard's two sons.

00:47:11.000 Yeah, Finlay and Fergus.

00:47:12.000 Yeah, and we've got...

00:47:13.000 Joe Ryan.

00:47:15.000 What year do you left him?

00:47:16.000 Riley Smith.

00:47:17.000 Well, Joe Ryan's just 13. He's just fought pro in Thailand and knocked out, I think, an 18-year-old Thai boy.

00:47:21.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:47:22.000 He fought pro in Thailand when he was 13?

00:47:25.000 Last week.

00:47:26.000 Oh, my God.

00:47:27.000 Where the fuck are his parents?

00:47:29.000 They were there with him, but this kid is special.

00:47:32.000 He's taller than me.

00:47:32.000 He's 13. He's taller than me.

00:47:34.000 He fights at about 59, 60 kilos.

00:47:36.000 I've done a lot of work with him one-to-one as well.

00:47:39.000 His dad has done an amazing job with him.

00:47:41.000 Is he unbeaten in 36 fights?

00:47:43.000 He was unbeaten in 36 fights.

00:47:44.000 36 fights and he's 13!

00:47:46.000 I think he lost in the IFMAS in Russia against a kid that was like 16 and he weighed 4 kilos heavier.

00:47:53.000 We've got another kid called Riley Smith, Jonathan Haggerty.

00:47:56.000 Keep this thing close to your face.

00:47:58.000 Sorry, sorry.

00:47:59.000 We've got some right kids that are coming through.

00:48:01.000 Jonathan Haggerty who's just been on Yokoh special, 20 years old, beat a great fighter, a veteran called Keefen.

00:48:08.000 Now, what kind of program do you have for these young kids?

00:48:11.000 Do you have classes based on age groups?

00:48:13.000 Do you have classes based on weight classes?

00:48:15.000 Or do you just have kids' classes?

00:48:17.000 Well, at Bad Company Gym, the kids' classes, 6 to 12-year-old, there's about 40 or 50 sometimes in our kids' classes.

00:48:24.000 And there'll be about three or four of the instructors taking it.

00:48:27.000 Fighters will all be up in the ring.

00:48:29.000 Fight training, intermediates to be in the middle, beginners down at the end.

00:48:32.000 So everyone's got someone catering for them, helping them bring through.

00:48:35.000 All the fighters are working together.

00:48:37.000 Watching them, it's just like watching the mini version of all our fighters upstairs.

00:48:40.000 It's class to watch sometimes.

00:48:42.000 I like just going and watching them all training and sparring with each other and clinching and helping each other.

00:48:47.000 And then a lot of them will stay behind after the class and really putting the extra hours and the extra work.

00:48:52.000 It's good watching.

00:48:53.000 Sometimes you'll see someone come in the gym And they'll walk in right shy and then I'll look at him again two months later and I'll see him on the pads going BAM! BAM! BAM! And he's like looking around going, yeah, see that?

00:49:02.000 See that?

00:49:03.000 He's class watching that happen, you know what I mean?

00:49:04.000 And you see him going through from being like walking at gym, being a shy little seven, eight-year-old boy and then smashing the pads and having the first fight.

00:49:12.000 Our junior team is so good because obviously we've got Richard and Lisa training them, but my cousin Andy, he's also a five-time world champion.

00:49:19.000 He's doing PTs with a lot of them.

00:49:20.000 Joe Craven's only like 19 years old, but he's so good with the kids as well.

00:49:24.000 So they've got a wealth of experience and like I said, they're all just going bap bap bap and then next minute they're up there fighting and just smashing it and I think we've got, we had 18 fights for our junior team last week and I think we won somewhere like 16. I asked you earlier when we were working out together, you've never really considered fighting MMA? No.

00:49:47.000 Like I say, it took me a long time to get where I am in Muay Thai.

00:49:50.000 And let's be honest, who's going to stand up in front of me if I had a ring?

00:49:52.000 I'd have to get my ground game so good.

00:49:56.000 It'll take me a long time.

00:49:57.000 And to be honest, I love Muay Thai.

00:50:00.000 I love fighting Muay Thai.

00:50:01.000 And I think you can only be good at something that you're passionate about.

00:50:04.000 If I got in there and I thought, well, I'll do this because there's a lot of money involved in it, I wouldn't be where I am.

00:50:10.000 I fight Muay Thai because I absolutely love it.

00:50:12.000 Your style though, it's really interesting.

00:50:15.000 It would apply very well to MMA. When I'm teaching the MMA fighters that I do train, I think I have got that good medium of how the striking needs to be and without getting taken down and off-balancing yourself.

00:50:26.000 I'm not arrogant enough to go in there and say, right, Muay Thai, you need to do this in MMA. You need to fight like a Thai and do that.

00:50:33.000 I'm not arrogant enough.

00:50:34.000 I know there has to be changes and I think I do spot that well and it does work with the fighters I train.

00:50:40.000 But, like I said, I love fighting Muay Thai.

00:50:42.000 That's where my heart is.

00:50:44.000 Maybe if someone came over and said, no, there's loads of money, do you want to...

00:50:47.000 Maybe, yeah, but I'm a stand-up fighter.

00:50:51.000 Have you done any wrestling or jiu-jitsu or anything like that?

00:50:54.000 I haven't, no.

00:50:56.000 I've always been so concentrating on my Muay Thai fight career.

00:50:59.000 I'm always booked out all year.

00:51:01.000 I've thought about it before, doing it with AVT with Danny Mitchell, but I'm booked out when fights.

00:51:06.000 I've got July, August...

00:51:08.000 October, November.

00:51:09.000 You're already booked.

00:51:10.000 I'm booked out right to the end of the year.

00:51:11.000 So you do that that many fights in advance?

00:51:14.000 Yeah.

00:51:14.000 That's very different than boxing.

00:51:16.000 I get booked up for a year and a half in advance.

00:51:18.000 A year and a half in advance?

00:51:19.000 Wow.

00:51:21.000 No kidding.

00:51:22.000 So I'm not going to have no time anyway because I need to stay on top of my own training just so I'm ready to go from one fight to the next.

00:51:28.000 And if you get injured?

00:51:29.000 Obviously, I have to pull out.

00:51:30.000 I had to pull out.

00:51:31.000 I brought my foot in my last fight in Paris in December.

00:51:34.000 I brought my foot, split my shin, and I couldn't fight in March.

00:51:38.000 I was meant to fight two weeks ago, but obviously I couldn't do that when injuries are part of the sport.

00:51:41.000 Are you back to kicking things now?

00:51:43.000 I'm back kicking 100%, and as soon as I get back home, I'll be back in camp ready to go in July.

00:51:48.000 That's impressive.

00:51:49.000 Three months later, you're throwing hard kicks.

00:51:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:51.000 Now, when you started working with Vinny, what was...

00:51:56.000 What was the big difference?

00:51:57.000 What's the big difference in doing this mind coaching?

00:52:01.000 What have you noticed improvement in?

00:52:03.000 My awareness.

00:52:04.000 The stuff with the Hakalau that we're on about and the anchoring it.

00:52:07.000 Your awareness increases so much.

00:52:09.000 When you anchor, what are you thinking?

00:52:11.000 When you smash your gloves together at the beginning of a fight?

00:52:14.000 I'm sure everyone it'll be different.

00:52:16.000 What I'm doing is when I'm pushing my gloves together, all the stuff we've worked on, like the hackle-out, the awareness, everything's all just coming into me.

00:52:22.000 The warrior, it sticks with me.

00:52:23.000 That word will always stick with me after we've worked before.

00:52:25.000 I'm sure people have worked with him and got different stuff that they're anchoring.

00:52:28.000 Well, that's what I'm anchoring.

00:52:29.000 When you say anchoring, what do you mean?

00:52:31.000 Bringing it in and bringing it all back into here, all the stuff that we've worked on.

00:52:35.000 When we did the Anawat fight, the Warrior stuff, we also had another fight against Andre Colbin.

00:52:40.000 I got wrought off by everyone in this fight.

00:52:43.000 He'd been to England twice before, he'd knocked out two of our top guys in the weight above me, so I stepped up in weight to fight him, and I went and did a bit of work with Vinny then, and there were a few key words that we said then.

00:52:55.000 One of them were visible damage, and what were the other ones?

00:52:59.000 Hot knife through butter.

00:53:00.000 Hot knife through butter.

00:53:02.000 Because I said to him, hot knife through butter.

00:53:05.000 You guys and your goddamn accents, would you learn how to speak American English?

00:53:09.000 Hot knife through butter.

00:53:10.000 So what I'd said to Vinny is, I said, I don't want to beat this guy.

00:53:17.000 I said, everyone's writing me off.

00:53:18.000 I said, I want to smash him to absolute smithereens.

00:53:21.000 He told me the game plan.

00:53:23.000 He told me the game plan.

00:53:24.000 He already told me what he was going to do with Andre.

00:53:26.000 I told everyone I was going to win and no one believed me.

00:53:28.000 Yeah, but obviously because, you know, if you didn't mention it, I'm his biggest fan.

00:53:33.000 And what we did, I did a CD for him.

00:53:36.000 So I said, listen to this CD before you go to bed.

00:53:39.000 So I recorded this CD and it was weird because, again, I was commentating, thankfully, on the main event, wasn't it?

00:53:45.000 Yeah, main event.

00:53:46.000 And I was watching it and it was like playing a video game.

00:53:49.000 Because I was just like, low kick, bang!

00:53:50.000 He was just like, and everything that I, and all the thing that I said, kind of cheating, isn't it?

00:53:55.000 I was like, it's like a hot knife through butter, and he went, bang!

00:53:58.000 And he just, I mean, if you ever see it, he absolutely destroyed Kulabin, and Kulabin is a legendary fighter from Belarus, and it was just, it went down perfectly.

00:54:07.000 Yeah, every time I kicked him, I could see how I were hurting him, and that's what was coming into my head, and It's hard to explain unless you actually do work with him.

00:54:17.000 What was the game plan that people didn't believe?

00:54:21.000 I said to everyone, I said, I'm going to stop him in three rounds.

00:54:24.000 I was moving up in weight and because he knocked out two other top fighters in England from that weight.

00:54:29.000 Who did he knock out?

00:54:30.000 He knocked out Michael Dix?

00:54:30.000 Michael Dix in first round and I think he stopped in Rancan as well.

00:54:35.000 I told everyone I was going to stop him.

00:54:36.000 I said, his leg's too straight, so I'm going to smash his leg.

00:54:39.000 I'm going to stop him with low kicks.

00:54:40.000 I said, it'll be like a hot knife.

00:54:43.000 I stopped him in round three with low kicks.

00:54:46.000 When you were creating this CD for him, what was the goal?

00:54:50.000 What was your objective?

00:54:51.000 He told me what he was going to do, so I reaffirmed it.

00:54:54.000 So we did like a trance thing where you go into, you know, you lead anyone into an induction, and then he just played out the fight in his mind, telling him the specifics of what he told me and how he speaks, because you have to use their language back to them if I said, you know, something that's not in their vocabulary.

00:55:12.000 Obviously, I'm not saying you're a dick.

00:55:14.000 But I am.

00:55:15.000 Smacking the wall.

00:55:17.000 So he had to add lots of, like, you know, what he told me into the CD. So it went in.

00:55:26.000 It works.

00:55:27.000 I've never done it before.

00:55:27.000 It was a gamble.

00:55:28.000 I just thought, you know what?

00:55:31.000 It seems like you could probably do that for a lot of people, right?

00:55:35.000 Different things that you're trying to work on, if you could just listen to it, like on your earbuds or something like that, where you do other things?

00:55:41.000 Yeah, of course.

00:55:42.000 And, you know...

00:55:44.000 I have people now who work with me for a year, like clients that want to work with me for a year.

00:55:49.000 They pay me for a year and they just want to ring me and talk about stuff.

00:55:53.000 It's become like a real sort of different than hypnotherapy and just being a therapist in just that sort of way.

00:56:01.000 But yeah, it's possible and...

00:56:04.000 Look, the reason why we're doing this is because, number one, as I said, he's my friend, but number two, what we do works.

00:56:12.000 These are tried and tested.

00:56:13.000 He's eight times world champion.

00:56:15.000 I'm his mind coach.

00:56:16.000 Obviously, he's got a great coach in Richard and everybody, but what we do works, and people are starting to see the benefits.

00:56:22.000 The feedback we've got from San Diego Boxing Club, Artem and Jesse and all them, it's been mind-blowing, hasn't it?

00:56:28.000 Well there's definitely good states of mind to go into anything that's difficult and again fighting is one of the most difficult things and then there's bad states of mind and those states of mind can determine the outcome and just to have something that you can Get to in your mind that can put you on the right path like we were saying warrior or Hakala like all these anchors that you're doing like these different things like I feel like these are applicable for everyday life

00:56:59.000 too exactly that this is something that people could really benefit from like to just to instead of just being like random and wild with your thoughts and your ideas going into something and hoping that you have a good Point of view and a good perspective.

00:57:13.000 Instead of that, like, have these clear paths that you've already thought through.

00:57:18.000 Yeah, I mean, your mind has to have a clear set.

00:57:22.000 It has to know a way to go.

00:57:23.000 Think of it like a TomTom or a sat-nav.

00:57:26.000 You point that in that direction and that's the road it's going to take you to.

00:57:30.000 If you put in the wrong direction, say you've typed someone in Illinois and you're driving around Los Angeles looking for it, you're not going to find it.

00:57:36.000 So we have to be specific.

00:57:38.000 And what I do is I try and get my programmes that I do, various programmes that I do, is I have to get what the client wants.

00:57:45.000 And then once I get the client wants, I put that in, but then I find out what's getting in their way through the language.

00:57:50.000 They kind of language it wrong.

00:57:51.000 You know, they say, I want this, and say, yeah, but you're saying that.

00:57:54.000 And it's...

00:57:55.000 I love the job.

00:57:58.000 It's such a blessing to be here, and I'm not being all, you know, roasting it glasses, and I absolutely love my job.

00:58:04.000 I love people, like the people with the feedback I've had of...

00:58:07.000 Getting messages saying, I feel different, I'm happier.

00:58:10.000 There's no better job in the world, not at all.

00:58:12.000 Well, I mean, you know better than anybody, as a fighter, the way you think and your mindset, that affects your training, it affects your outcome, it affects how you feel in between trainings.

00:58:25.000 And then it absolutely affects the way you fight.

00:58:27.000 Yeah, of course it does.

00:58:28.000 I mean, I reckon, like I mentioned earlier, I reckon I've lost fights on points because my mindset's been wrong going into it, thinking, right, this is going to be an absolute war, this.

00:58:36.000 And I've gone in there thinking, right, I'm ready for war, I'm ready for this, and I've got out-pointed.

00:58:40.000 Because I've gone in there thinking that.

00:58:42.000 If I'd have gone in there maybe a bit more relaxed, sharper, on point, I'd have been playing the game.

00:58:46.000 You'd have adjusted.

00:58:47.000 I'd have adjusted, but I didn't.

00:58:49.000 But I thought, you know what I mean?

00:58:51.000 Like you just said, it happens.

00:58:52.000 But if you are on point with your mind, that needs to be as strong as your body.

00:58:57.000 Like I said before, you can never, ever be too well prepared.

00:59:01.000 That's why I've gone to Vinnie and I have used him and it has worked for me in massive, massive, massive fights.

00:59:06.000 Do you meditate at all?

00:59:08.000 I do the Wim Hof method.

00:59:11.000 We love Wim Hof.

00:59:13.000 Vinnie and Jordan show me about that.

00:59:15.000 I remember I saw Jordan doing it one time before our fight.

00:59:18.000 I said, no, what are you doing there?

00:59:19.000 And he told me, Wim Hof.

00:59:20.000 So I asked Vinnie what it was.

00:59:22.000 And then I started with the cold showers every morning, the breathing.

00:59:25.000 And again, I've seen massive changes in that and like my heart rate and...

00:59:28.000 That is absolutely amazing how that works.

00:59:30.000 His resting pulse rate was 31. No, Jordan's were 31, mine was 32. Fuck!

00:59:36.000 That one beat is everything.

00:59:41.000 I went to Wim's house.

00:59:43.000 Luckily, I know, because I work for Infusion, they did a little bit of a documentary on him.

00:59:48.000 And I went with Mohamed Kamal, who I know really well, great guy, and we went to his house, and we went in the frozen water and all that sort of stuff, and then I started following and doing this stuff, and I've seen him on your show twice.

01:00:01.000 He's like a Jedi, isn't he?

01:00:05.000 He's brilliant.

01:00:05.000 There's something about him.

01:00:07.000 His perspective and his enthusiasm is not just infectious.

01:00:12.000 It's like it changes you.

01:00:14.000 Yeah, it does.

01:00:14.000 He changes the way you think about things.

01:00:16.000 Yeah, I want to meet him.

01:00:17.000 He's awesome.

01:00:18.000 I'll hook that up.

01:00:19.000 I'll hook that up.

01:00:19.000 I would absolutely love that.

01:00:21.000 Have you done cryotherapy at all?

01:00:23.000 I have, yeah.

01:00:24.000 My friend in Liverpool, Doc, he's got one.

01:00:27.000 Whenever I've had a real...

01:00:28.000 Obviously my body gets a lot of wear and tear.

01:00:30.000 Holding pads takes a lot out of you.

01:00:33.000 Especially when you've got to train twice as well on top of that.

01:00:35.000 Your fucking forearms, right?

01:00:37.000 Bruisers?

01:00:38.000 Yeah, my back.

01:00:39.000 Obviously if I'm sparring, my legs are beat up.

01:00:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:44.000 Fucking elbows and forearms.

01:00:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:00:46.000 I get stiffened.

01:00:47.000 After a hard week of training and a hard week of teaching, I do need that.

01:00:50.000 So I go over to Liverpool and I jump in there and I always come out feeling like a million bucks all the time.

01:00:54.000 No, I love it.

01:00:54.000 I love it.

01:00:55.000 What about isolation tanks?

01:00:57.000 Have you done sensory deprivation tanks?

01:00:58.000 No, I've never done that.

01:01:00.000 I got one here.

01:01:01.000 Wanna try it?

01:01:01.000 Hell yeah.

01:01:02.000 How much time do you got?

01:01:03.000 We've got enough time.

01:01:04.000 We've got enough time.

01:01:04.000 You got time?

01:01:05.000 Okay, beautiful.

01:01:06.000 We'll set you up.

01:01:06.000 You'll get bored.

01:01:07.000 Let me out of bored.

01:01:08.000 No, no, no.

01:01:08.000 You won't, man.

01:01:09.000 You think that.

01:01:10.000 You go in as long as you want.

01:01:11.000 All right.

01:01:12.000 I have one right out of here.

01:01:13.000 I fucking love it, man.

01:01:14.000 It's amazing.

01:01:15.000 He's on all sorts now.

01:01:16.000 Since we've come to California, we've got a...

01:01:19.000 Feel Supreme, our mates from...

01:01:21.000 Marty Murphy's got him on CBD oil.

01:01:23.000 He's doing all that.

01:01:24.000 CBD's great.

01:01:25.000 Hair follicle things and stuff.

01:01:27.000 Really great with CBD is this fucking...

01:01:28.000 I don't have it here.

01:01:29.000 I left it in my car.

01:01:31.000 I have this lotion, CBD lotion.

01:01:33.000 You apply it topically where you got like bruises or inflammation.

01:01:37.000 Someone told me about that.

01:01:38.000 Yeah, I've not tried that yet.

01:01:39.000 Fucking great, man.

01:01:39.000 But I got a test done by...

01:01:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:41.000 I got a test done by my sponsors.

01:01:44.000 Like, they took all the hair follicles out of me.

01:01:45.000 They tested them all so they could test what I should be eating, what food's good for me.

01:01:50.000 Your hair follicles?

01:01:50.000 Hair follicle test, yeah.

01:01:51.000 Like, they proper sent it off to the lab and they tested it all and it came back...

01:01:55.000 Why would they test that and not blood or...

01:01:56.000 I'm not sure.

01:01:57.000 I have no idea how it works, but they came back and said, right, this is what you should eat, this is what you shouldn't eat.

01:02:01.000 If this is in your diet, try taking it out, because this is causing some disruption here and stuff.

01:02:04.000 What kind of stuff are they saying causes...

01:02:07.000 This might be horseshit.

01:02:11.000 Checking your hair.

01:02:12.000 What about your toenails?

01:02:13.000 They check your toenails?

01:02:14.000 Certain different fruits and stuff like that, like raspberries and nuts and stuff, are causing some sort of disruption in my diet.

01:02:20.000 It'd be better if I took them out.

01:02:24.000 Omens.

01:02:24.000 I went to one of those places and they told me to stop eating avocados.

01:02:27.000 I'm like, get the fuck out of here.

01:02:29.000 There's nothing wrong with avocados.

01:02:30.000 You guys are quiet.

01:02:31.000 I like avocados.

01:02:32.000 Avocados are great for you.

01:02:33.000 It's like one of the best foods you can eat.

01:02:35.000 I'm like, what?

01:02:36.000 Avocado?

01:02:38.000 Fuck out of here.

01:02:39.000 I just want to say, because we've been here for a couple of weeks now, right?

01:02:42.000 The coolest thing I've seen is how the fuck did you hit that target?

01:02:46.000 That blew my mind, I could not believe it.

01:02:48.000 Oh, the archery target?

01:02:48.000 That was amazing.

01:02:50.000 Well, I do it every day.

01:02:52.000 You are Robin Hood.

01:02:53.000 You're from fucking Nottingham.

01:02:54.000 Get over it, kill the sheriff.

01:02:56.000 45 yards and to hit that little small hole like that is not difficult.

01:03:01.000 Yeah, but you've just done a training session as well, so you'd have had a bit of a shake.

01:03:04.000 Yeah, you were sweating.

01:03:05.000 But I just broke the record of kicking that pad, so I was excited.

01:03:08.000 Hell yeah.

01:03:09.000 That's what it was.

01:03:11.000 We got on film.

01:03:12.000 We got on film.

01:03:13.000 Luckily, we were a little concerned.

01:03:15.000 We had a spliced sound from the other one.

01:03:17.000 It should happen.

01:03:18.000 Yeah, we had more than one recording of it, luckily.

01:03:21.000 But that thing that Francis Ngannou punched that almost as hard as I kicked that.

01:03:27.000 That's how fucking hard that...

01:03:28.000 Oh, here it is right here.

01:03:29.000 It is?

01:03:30.000 Francis punched that fucking thing almost as hard as...

01:03:34.000 Where's 152?

01:03:36.000 That's the highest anyone's ever registered on that thing.

01:03:43.000 Someone will break it.

01:03:44.000 I mean, I don't think that many people are kicking that thing.

01:03:46.000 Yeah, but not going to break it today.

01:03:48.000 Not today.

01:03:48.000 It's a day, bitch.

01:03:50.000 I got that.

01:03:51.000 But yeah, that archery thing, man, it's the same thing as like today when you were showing me different things.

01:03:58.000 Like you guys showing me just a little bit of an adjustment changed the power of that kick.

01:04:04.000 Just that little extra...

01:04:05.000 Yeah, it's all body mechanics.

01:04:06.000 Every strike, every sweep, everything I teach is always body mechanics.

01:04:11.000 And just like that little bit extra, we'll get...

01:04:13.000 It's the same thing with archery.

01:04:14.000 With archery, it's all about posture and form, and you've got to have your elbow up high, and everything has to be perfect, and you're pulling with your back.

01:04:23.000 I mean, there's a lot of parallels between archery and fighting.

01:04:26.000 Yeah, but you just went...

01:04:27.000 Didn't you?

01:04:28.000 Yeah.

01:04:28.000 Picked it up.

01:04:29.000 Because I just watched the arrow, and it just went...

01:04:32.000 And I just thought...

01:04:33.000 Shit, you don't need to fight.

01:04:34.000 But I do, like, again, I do that every day.

01:04:37.000 It's amazing.

01:04:37.000 You know, I shoot arrows every day.

01:04:39.000 And that's 45 yards in my house.

01:04:41.000 I do 90 yards.

01:04:42.000 Yeah?

01:04:43.000 Yeah.

01:04:43.000 So, that's about as far as I'd shoot an animal, though.

01:04:47.000 It's 45 yards.

01:04:48.000 Like, maybe I'd shoot a pig or something that nobody gives a shit about.

01:04:52.000 Like, I'd shoot it, like, 70 yards or something like that.

01:04:54.000 Stuff that we haven't got in England.

01:04:55.000 Yeah.

01:04:56.000 You're lucky you don't have them in England, man.

01:04:57.000 We've got problems with them here.

01:04:59.000 What pig problems?

01:05:00.000 Oh, they're fucking, they're invasive species.

01:05:02.000 Really?

01:05:02.000 They're crazy and they breed three, four times a year.

01:05:04.000 They'll have like 10, 12 pigs a litter.

01:05:07.000 Planet of the Pigs?

01:05:08.000 Yeah, Planet of the Pigs.

01:05:09.000 Three or four times a year sounds like my life.

01:05:12.000 Happy birthday for tomorrow, Lisa, by the way.

01:05:14.000 Oh, sweetie.

01:05:17.000 There's videos of pigs in Texas.

01:05:19.000 Texas is so bad that they opened up a highway, and the day they opened it, they built this highway, and the day they opened it, there was something like 40 car accidents with pigs.

01:05:29.000 Really?

01:05:29.000 People were driving by, the pigs were running across the road, and they're just slamming them into them.

01:05:33.000 There are millions of pigs in Texas.

01:05:35.000 Millions.

01:05:36.000 Well, they're an invasive species.

01:05:38.000 They were brought over here in California by William Randolph Hearst.

01:05:42.000 You know that crazy guy that Orson Welles made that movie Rosebud about?

01:05:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:46.000 He's also the reason why marijuana's illegal over here, too.

01:05:48.000 He made those propaganda articles blaming marijuana for causing Mexicans and blacks to rape white women.

01:05:57.000 It was this crazy propaganda, but it was also that he didn't have to switch his factories over to hemp because they had come out with a new machine called a decorticator that allowed them to process hemp fiber.

01:06:08.000 Hemp just makes a way better paper.

01:06:09.000 And he had all these paper mills and all these forests that were dedicated to trees that they would make paper out of.

01:06:15.000 And so when they came out with this decorticator, they're like, well, hemp is the new industry.

01:06:19.000 He's like, yeah, the fuck it is.

01:06:20.000 And so he, this crazy asshole, like literally is the reason why marijuana is so illegal and demonized, not just in America, but around the world.

01:06:30.000 And he let a bunch of fucking wild pigs loose on his, he has this gigantic estate.

01:06:34.000 Yeah.

01:06:34.000 These fucking things are everywhere, bro.

01:06:37.000 This ain't shit.

01:06:37.000 I mean, these look more like domestic pigs.

01:06:39.000 Looks like a nightclub in Leeds, does it?

01:06:41.000 These are domestic pigs, bro.

01:06:44.000 Jamie, these are not wild pigs.

01:06:46.000 Yeah, it's shut down a freeway in Texas.

01:06:48.000 Oh, you know what it is, though?

01:06:49.000 That's like a truck fell over.

01:06:51.000 Yeah, yeah, they were inside it.

01:06:52.000 Yeah, but those are like regular pigs.

01:06:54.000 In Bhutan.

01:06:55.000 Wild pigs would never be around a person like that.

01:06:57.000 They would fucking be out of there.

01:06:58.000 Yeah.

01:06:59.000 In Bhutan, a country called Bhutan, and I've heard that they feed pigs cannabis.

01:07:06.000 Sure, probably tastes good.

01:07:07.000 But it does.

01:07:09.000 Delicious bacon gets you high as fuck.

01:07:11.000 And then when you get drug tested like Canelo, you go, it's because of the pork pie!

01:07:15.000 So you guys don't believe Canelo with the clembuterol?

01:07:18.000 I don't know.

01:07:19.000 I just love GGG, don't we?

01:07:20.000 Yeah, GGG's like the lord to us.

01:07:23.000 But you've got to appreciate Canelo as well, right?

01:07:25.000 I mean, Canelo's a bad motherfucker.

01:07:27.000 Yeah, he's a great fighter.

01:07:29.000 But I just can't see he passed a GGG win this time.

01:07:33.000 Yeah, well, I think GGG won the first time.

01:07:35.000 Yeah, I do.

01:07:36.000 Definitely.

01:07:36.000 I think he was nervous.

01:07:37.000 By two or three rounds.

01:07:38.000 The first fight.

01:07:38.000 I think he was nervous.

01:07:39.000 Really?

01:07:39.000 Why do you think that?

01:07:40.000 First pay-per-view fight.

01:07:42.000 And first, you know, big, big, big fight.

01:07:45.000 Yeah, you could tell early doors, couldn't you?

01:07:46.000 You didn't see myself early doors.

01:07:47.000 It took him till three or four to get going, but when he did, and then found that steady pressure and got behind his job.

01:07:52.000 Yeah.

01:07:53.000 He's brilliant.

01:07:54.000 And we've seen that little clip that he said he's going to change.

01:07:56.000 So I think he's going to go to the body more.

01:07:58.000 Yeah, I think he should have done that in the first fight when he was up on the ropes.

01:08:01.000 Canelo really good at evading his right hand, wasn't he?

01:08:03.000 If he'd have gone to the body then, I think...

01:08:05.000 I think there's going to be a lot of that, and I think there's going to be a lot more jabs.

01:08:08.000 His jabs are so underrated, like what he did to David Lemieux.

01:08:12.000 He actually smashed him to pieces with his jab.

01:08:14.000 You see what Abel Sanchez said, that when he turns to the right...

01:08:18.000 What happened was the referee, because he was turning to his left to get away from the right hand, he was exposing his back and if Gigi had hit him there, he was worried about getting a point taken off.

01:08:30.000 So the referee would have called him on that.

01:08:32.000 Yeah, that's ridiculous.

01:08:34.000 Especially if the referee was as bad as the judge.

01:08:37.000 Well, there was one...

01:08:38.000 Adelaide Bird.

01:08:38.000 Adelaide Bird, yeah.

01:08:40.000 Unbelievable.

01:08:41.000 Sweet lady.

01:08:41.000 Yeah.

01:08:42.000 Very nice lady.

01:08:43.000 Big fuck-off glasses like that, like massive thick rims.

01:08:45.000 Listen, man, she was responsible for some wacky-ass fucking decisions for the last UFC. She's done it a lot, yeah.

01:08:49.000 She's done it a lot, yeah.

01:08:50.000 A lot.

01:08:50.000 And no one does anything about it.

01:08:51.000 What were the other main boxing ones she did it in?

01:08:55.000 Wasn't she a part of the whole Pacquiao, Tim...

01:09:01.000 the fuck's his name?

01:09:04.000 Oh, yeah, Tim Bradley.

01:09:08.000 Wasn't she a part of that as well?

01:09:09.000 I don't know.

01:09:10.000 I think she was part of the...

01:09:11.000 I think she's the one that gave Canelo the draw against Mayweather when he got screwed.

01:09:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:09:17.000 Really?

01:09:18.000 Did she really?

01:09:19.000 That's hilarious!

01:09:20.000 She should be fired.

01:09:22.000 Yeah, that was close.

01:09:22.000 Very nice lady, again.

01:09:24.000 Very nice lady.

01:09:25.000 The Stevie Wonder world of judging.

01:09:26.000 That's crazy that she gave Canelo a draw against Mayweather.

01:09:30.000 I mean, he got fucking schooled in that fight.

01:09:32.000 Massively.

01:09:33.000 Yeah, big time.

01:09:33.000 Did he land?

01:09:34.000 Nothing get landed, did he?

01:09:35.000 Not much.

01:09:36.000 Not much.

01:09:37.000 That was an interesting...

01:09:38.000 Well, in his defense, Mayweather drained him down to 152 or something.

01:09:44.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:09:45.000 But they caused that.

01:09:46.000 Did you know that?

01:09:47.000 No.

01:09:47.000 They said, well, we'll fight you at 152. And Leonard Ellaby went, okay.

01:09:52.000 Because he said, we were going to do it at 154, and then he says, we don't care, we'll go down to 152, and they went, thanks.

01:09:57.000 What a stupid mistake.

01:09:58.000 So they just left themselves wide open for that.

01:10:00.000 They did it to themselves, yeah.

01:10:02.000 You could tell he was seriously sluggish in that.

01:10:04.000 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

01:10:05.000 Well, he makes anyone look sluggish, though, doesn't he, to be fair?

01:10:07.000 Yeah, he does, man.

01:10:08.000 He's amazing.

01:10:09.000 Like, what Floyd is able to do, like, his control of distance and his understanding of what you're going to do next is so incredible.

01:10:16.000 Like, you see him pop a jab, and then before the guy even throws the right hand, he's like...

01:10:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:21.000 And the right hand passes him, he pops him with a left hook and he's out there.

01:10:25.000 He's like, bitch, I knew what you were going to do.

01:10:27.000 He did that with it.

01:10:27.000 Marquez, he did that with it.

01:10:28.000 He popped him and he just ducked and he would go on right back of him before I'd even realised what was happening.

01:10:31.000 Yeah, and he did some great things with Robert Guerrero.

01:10:35.000 Yes.

01:10:37.000 We've got a boxer in England called Josh Kelly.

01:10:39.000 Have you seen him?

01:10:39.000 Yes, I have.

01:10:40.000 I love that guy.

01:10:41.000 Yeah, you guys have a lot of great boxers over there now.

01:10:43.000 I mean, obviously you have the world champion, Anthony Joshua.

01:10:45.000 Do you hear the UFC is going to offer him $500 million for some crazy contact?

01:10:49.000 We heard that this morning.

01:10:50.000 I wonder if that's real.

01:10:51.000 Do it.

01:10:51.000 I wonder if it's real.

01:10:52.000 Joshua versus Ngannou with some fucking punch artists.

01:10:55.000 Someone's going to sleep.

01:10:57.000 Jesus Christ.

01:10:58.000 I mean, Francis is a great MMA fighter, but he's been fighting for five years.

01:11:02.000 Yeah.

01:11:03.000 He just hits fucking unbelievably hard.

01:11:05.000 I can't believe that you said he got 120,000 on that machine.

01:11:08.000 I think you're like 120-something.

01:11:10.000 I think...

01:11:11.000 129. 129!

01:11:12.000 That's so crazy!

01:11:13.000 Wow.

01:11:13.000 That's so crazy.

01:11:14.000 That's what I get with a kick.

01:11:16.000 You little legs that carry you around all day.

01:11:19.000 I'm only 100 behind him.

01:11:22.000 Well, you know, in his defense, he's 100 pounds heavier than me, but just what in the fuck?

01:11:26.000 His hands are so big.

01:11:27.000 Every time I shake his hands, I'm like, how is that a person?

01:11:30.000 I mean, it's like shaking hands with a brick, like a giant brick.

01:11:34.000 They're just so big.

01:11:36.000 I've got little baby hands as well.

01:11:37.000 He'd probably crush mine.

01:11:39.000 He's a fucking huge dude, man.

01:11:41.000 I mean, and we were talking before about how in his background he worked as a child in a sand mine, digging sand out there.

01:11:48.000 Shoveling all day.

01:11:49.000 Just all day digging sand.

01:11:50.000 Like, what a great workout that is for your body.

01:11:53.000 His whole story is ridiculous.

01:11:54.000 I'd say we're almost five years ago.

01:11:56.000 Five years ago, homeless.

01:11:56.000 And now he's fighting for UFC title.

01:11:58.000 Yeah.

01:11:58.000 And came real close.

01:12:00.000 Yeah, it's a great story.

01:12:01.000 I mean, if anybody else other than Stipe, Stipe's so fucking tough and skilled and kept away from him, but you saw what he did to Overeem.

01:12:08.000 K1 Grand Prix champion, dream champion, Strikeforce heavyweight champion.

01:12:12.000 Francis put him into orbit.

01:12:14.000 His head nearly came off his shoulders, man.

01:12:15.000 It was ridiculous.

01:12:17.000 And you could see the way Overeem was fighting him, too.

01:12:19.000 Yeah.

01:12:22.000 It's like aware that any fuck-up at any moment.

01:12:26.000 Is this it?

01:12:27.000 129,161.

01:12:29.000 I got 152. That was today, though.

01:12:34.000 The other day, I was super fucking happy with Tyrone Spong, the former previous record, 114. He's got 129,161 with a punch.

01:12:45.000 I got 152 today.

01:12:47.000 Bitch.

01:12:48.000 Fuck it.

01:12:50.000 But that's with his arms, man.

01:12:51.000 I mean, it's impossible to really overemphasize how fucking crazy that kind of power is with your hands.

01:12:59.000 His arms are going to be bigger than my legs, though, to be fair.

01:13:01.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:01.000 No doubt.

01:13:02.000 Bigger than my legs.

01:13:03.000 Say my legs.

01:13:06.000 Well, a guy like that, I believe Francis is 33. I mean, imagine if they caught him when he was 23. You know, I mean, imagine that guy.

01:13:14.000 It's like, that's what you were saying before.

01:13:16.000 It's when you get a real champion, what you're getting is the top genetics, the top talent, skill, mindset, and discipline.

01:13:25.000 Yeah, and they've got that up there, and they want it.

01:13:27.000 It's wanting it that's the main thing.

01:13:29.000 Because a lot of fighters...

01:13:31.000 They'll have an hard fight and they'll get out.

01:13:32.000 I've seen this again in our gym.

01:13:35.000 They'll get out, they'll have won, but the fight will have been hard.

01:13:37.000 And I remember coming back going, that were hard.

01:13:41.000 It's a fucking fight, it's going to be.

01:13:42.000 It's meant to be hard.

01:13:43.000 You know what you're signing up for here.

01:13:45.000 You know what you're doing.

01:13:46.000 Yeah.

01:13:47.000 And then I've never seen him again.

01:13:49.000 Yeah.

01:13:49.000 I can understand that though, can't you, as well?

01:13:52.000 Of course, of course you have, yeah.

01:13:54.000 A certain amount of real sort of...

01:13:56.000 You wanted to be world champion pretty much straight away, didn't you, when you started?

01:14:00.000 Yeah, of course.

01:14:00.000 He was 19 when you went your first World Cup.

01:14:03.000 19, yeah.

01:14:03.000 That's crazy.

01:14:04.000 In Italy, yeah.

01:14:05.000 First time I fought Sanchai, I was 21.

01:14:07.000 What's going on with Giorgio Petrosian?

01:14:09.000 He's fighting on one championships.

01:14:14.000 Oh, he's fighting in MMA? No, they've got a stand-up.

01:14:17.000 They've got a stand-up now.

01:14:18.000 Really?

01:14:18.000 They've signed like Fabio Pinker, Giorgio Petrosian, Yadson Clyde.

01:14:22.000 They signed Yadson Clyde?

01:14:24.000 I thought Yadson Clyde retired.

01:14:25.000 No, he's back.

01:14:26.000 He fought last month and he won again.

01:14:28.000 Took a couple weeks off.

01:14:29.000 Fuck it, this is boring.

01:14:31.000 Basically.

01:14:32.000 That guy can fucking...

01:14:36.000 That guy starches people.

01:14:37.000 I remember when Jordan fought him in Thailand or in the corner for Jordan.

01:14:43.000 And Jordan came back at the end of round two.

01:14:45.000 I went, take his gum shield out.

01:14:46.000 He went, duh.

01:14:46.000 I went, why?

01:14:47.000 He went, oh, my teeth are in it.

01:14:48.000 He knocked on his teeth out.

01:14:51.000 Jordan had a real close fight with him.

01:14:53.000 Jordan was here the first time I came.

01:14:57.000 I remember Jordan.

01:14:59.000 The level of talent these days is just so fucking amazing.

01:15:05.000 Is 1FC really huge in Asia?

01:15:08.000 Massive.

01:15:09.000 Are they UFC level?

01:15:12.000 Yeah, Michael Chiavello's doing that.

01:15:14.000 Is he?

01:15:14.000 Yeah, he's doing that.

01:15:15.000 I love that guy.

01:15:16.000 Yeah, he's a good guy.

01:15:16.000 He's a fucking great guy.

01:15:17.000 What they've done is now, I think they've started like three different...

01:15:20.000 They've got the MMA, and then they've got the hybrid, or it's Muay Thai in little gloves in the cage.

01:15:24.000 Like John Wayne Parr's thing?

01:15:26.000 Yeah, CMT. And then they've got just stand-up Muay Thai with eight-ounce gloves.

01:15:32.000 Or is it K1? I think it's kickboxing K1. Yeah, with the eight-ounce gloves.

01:15:36.000 So they're going to have three separate things now.

01:15:39.000 There's certain guys that you just see a silhouette of them.

01:15:42.000 Even if you didn't see their face, you would know who it was.

01:15:45.000 You know who my favorite that is?

01:15:48.000 Sanchai.

01:15:48.000 If you saw a silhouette of him just moving around, you'd be like, oh yeah.

01:15:52.000 I've fought him three times.

01:15:53.000 I'm used to him booting me all over the place.

01:15:56.000 What is that like, fighting that guy?

01:15:59.000 Hard.

01:16:01.000 You know what?

01:16:02.000 He wants so much his power or anything.

01:16:04.000 He's accurate.

01:16:05.000 If he wants to hit you straight on the chin, he'll hit you straight on the chin.

01:16:07.000 If he wants to kick you clean across the ribs, he'll kick you clean across the ribs.

01:16:10.000 The first time I fought him, I were only 21. A real close fight.

01:16:15.000 I just showed him a little bit too much respect.

01:16:17.000 So again, like I was saying about the Anna White fight earlier, I was saying, get me a rematch, get me a rematch, I can do better than that, I can do better.

01:16:22.000 And I honestly believed, going into that fight, I was going to win.

01:16:25.000 And in the second fight, we absolutely smashed each other to smithereens.

01:16:30.000 I cut him really bad.

01:16:31.000 I rocked him with punches.

01:16:32.000 He hurt me as well with a punch and wobbled my legs.

01:16:35.000 We absolutely battered each other.

01:16:37.000 I remember in round four, I won the fourth round and he went grey in the corner.

01:16:41.000 I went and sat down.

01:16:42.000 I went, fucking hell, I'm going to win here.

01:16:43.000 I'm going to win.

01:16:44.000 By the time round five had happened again, all colourful back in skin, I blinked and he'd kicked me about 16 times.

01:16:50.000 I went, how the fuck did he do that?

01:16:51.000 I ended round to my coach and my coach went, because he's Sanchai.

01:16:55.000 He's not a champion for nothing.

01:16:57.000 It's his eyes and stuff.

01:16:58.000 That second fight, even though...

01:17:00.000 I lost it.

01:17:00.000 It's one of my favourites because to be able to push the greatest of all time, or at least of the last 20-30 years, into that deep water, I was really proud of that.

01:17:10.000 It was one of my best moments in sport.

01:17:13.000 And he even said afterwards, one of my toughest fights.

01:17:15.000 But we're good friends now and stuff.

01:17:17.000 And I'll probably go over to Thailand and train with him at some point.

01:17:20.000 What amazes me about him is his movement.

01:17:23.000 He's very unusual in the way he moves around.

01:17:25.000 A light on his feet.

01:17:26.000 In and out.

01:17:27.000 And switches stances constantly.

01:17:28.000 And is very creative with his approaches.

01:17:31.000 He does all sorts of weird shit.

01:17:33.000 There's one fight.

01:17:34.000 It's on his Sanchai Thailand Instagram.

01:17:39.000 He's got a guy up against the ropes.

01:17:41.000 And he steps hard to the right.

01:17:43.000 And he throws a left high kick.

01:17:45.000 And it takes his head off.

01:17:46.000 Yeah.

01:17:46.000 And it's like straight up in the air.

01:17:48.000 Yeah.

01:17:48.000 I mean, it's like...

01:17:49.000 Well, if you watch what he does first...

01:17:49.000 He's throwing it like this.

01:17:51.000 If you watch what he does first, I think he sets it up by kicking the leg and then bringing the other one over.

01:17:55.000 Yeah.

01:17:55.000 But he's a master of all stuff like that.

01:17:57.000 I remember the first time I fought him, he jumped in the air and I looked up and I got kicked in the leg and I thought, where the fuck was that?

01:18:03.000 Where did that come from?

01:18:04.000 I would look at him in the air, but my leg got kicked and I'm thinking, how did he do that?

01:18:08.000 And then when I watched it back, I realised and...

01:18:10.000 Yeah, some of the stuff he does, no one else can do that.

01:18:13.000 He's so creative.

01:18:14.000 It's artistry, isn't it?

01:18:15.000 Yeah.

01:18:16.000 And that's what you get with Lomachenko as well.

01:18:17.000 It's his eyes as well.

01:18:18.000 He sees everything.

01:18:20.000 Lomachenko's the same.

01:18:21.000 He's artistry.

01:18:21.000 They're the same sorts.

01:18:22.000 He's the Lomachenko Muay Thai.

01:18:24.000 Right.

01:18:24.000 It's also the way he even hits pads are different.

01:18:27.000 Like the way you hit pads.

01:18:30.000 He's just tapping.

01:18:32.000 He's not hitting a full blast.

01:18:34.000 But you don't want to get hit by any of it, but he's like constantly moving.

01:18:38.000 When he wants to, it hard as well.

01:18:40.000 He can, like I said, a few times he hit me clean on chin, and I remember thinking, fucking hell, I wasn't expecting that.

01:18:45.000 Yeah, where he is like working the pads.

01:18:46.000 Like, when you see the way he throws kicks, like, he's not...

01:18:50.000 He's not like...

01:18:51.000 He could probably do that shit all day, too.

01:18:53.000 Yeah, he's just so loose and flexible.

01:18:55.000 He's a fucking tremendous fighter, man.

01:18:58.000 He must be 37, 38 now, and he's still...

01:19:00.000 Is he 38?

01:19:01.000 37, 38. Wow, that's amazing.

01:19:04.000 Yeah, and he's still wiping the floor with most of the people he fights.

01:19:08.000 I mean, and just constant movement and attack, his pressure and the volume of strikes that he throws...

01:19:16.000 I mean, he's a fucking unbelievable fighter, man.

01:19:19.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:19:20.000 The best, without doubt, over the last 20 years.

01:19:22.000 I mean, he even did one fight in the stadiums in Thailand, two-on-one.

01:19:26.000 And in this one, again.

01:19:27.000 Two-on-one?

01:19:27.000 Two-on-one.

01:19:28.000 And this was only about five, six years ago.

01:19:30.000 Pep Boonchu, Sagatau.

01:19:32.000 So, Sanchai were ranked number one.

01:19:34.000 Pep Boonchu, number two.

01:19:35.000 Sagatau, probably number three.

01:19:36.000 And these weren't, like, lesser fighters than him.

01:19:39.000 He fought them two-on-one.

01:19:40.000 How the fuck did he do that?

01:19:42.000 Sagatau got in.

01:19:42.000 No, Pep Boonchu got in for the first two rounds.

01:19:45.000 Fought, and he went at him and just tried to wear him down and clinch him.

01:19:48.000 For the last three rounds, Sagatau jumped in fresh.

01:19:51.000 Sanjay won.

01:19:52.000 Wow!

01:19:53.000 Sagatau was a southpaw, Pep Penchu's a clincher.

01:19:55.000 Yeah, but they're both clinches.

01:19:56.000 They're both clinches.

01:19:57.000 They're both just trying to wear him down.

01:19:58.000 That is fucking insane.

01:20:00.000 Oh, there we go.

01:20:01.000 So he fought one guy for two rounds and then the second guy for three.

01:20:04.000 Came in fresh, yeah.

01:20:05.000 Unbelievable, man.

01:20:06.000 That is unbelievable.

01:20:06.000 But look at the size difference as well.

01:20:08.000 They're both miles bigger than him.

01:20:09.000 That is like...

01:20:10.000 Well, he's always fighting bigger guys, right?

01:20:12.000 In the stadiums, with how the betting works out there, no one is going to bet.

01:20:16.000 If Sanchai comes in at 135 and Pep Bunchu comes in at 135, no one's going to bet because they know Sanchai's going to win.

01:20:22.000 But if Sanchai comes in at 130 and Pep Bunchu comes in at 134, then it's evening it up a little bit.

01:20:28.000 Then the gamblers will all get on it and it's going to...

01:20:30.000 That's what's also interesting about Thailand, is that the gambling is such a giant part of the sport.

01:20:35.000 It influences it so big, and it influences the scoring and the decisions and stuff like that.

01:20:39.000 But what about guys fixing fights?

01:20:42.000 You hear about it a lot.

01:20:43.000 You hear about fighters throwing fights, but then they'll get thrown out of the stadium.

01:20:47.000 There won't be a lot of fight back in there.

01:20:48.000 You do hear about that a lot.

01:20:49.000 You also hear about people dropping stuff in people's drinks to try and just like...

01:20:52.000 Give them a little advantage when they're gamblers.

01:20:55.000 Yeah, Petrosian said to me he got poisoned.

01:20:57.000 Petrosian?

01:20:58.000 Petrosian said to me, whether it's true or not I don't know, so don't quote me on it, but he told me that when he fought Nonathan, Paul Promot, they gave him a drink and he said he was dizzy.

01:21:05.000 Yeah, and because on that fight I think they had about a million baht side bet, so it's about a 20 grand side bet, their gym and his gym.

01:21:11.000 So you do hear about stuff happening like that.

01:21:13.000 Wow, that sucks.

01:21:15.000 What's a wild ass fucking place Thailand, right?

01:21:18.000 Yeah.

01:21:19.000 It's great though.

01:21:20.000 I'm sure.

01:21:21.000 I love it.

01:21:21.000 It's a great place.

01:21:22.000 Yeah, I love it.

01:21:23.000 I love going to the foods there, you know, especially Koh Samui where I go.

01:21:27.000 Yeah, I love Thai food.

01:21:28.000 Koh Samui's beautiful, but you know, Bangkok's beautiful.

01:21:32.000 Yeah, I spent too much time in Bangkok though.

01:21:34.000 I lived there for like 18 months to two years sort of.

01:21:37.000 You burned out.

01:21:38.000 Yeah, so whenever I go now, I prefer to go to the island so I can train and then relax.

01:21:43.000 Because when I was there, I was just living in the gym all the time.

01:21:45.000 And I don't think I could do that anymore now.

01:21:48.000 So I prefer to now.

01:21:49.000 I could go.

01:21:49.000 Silk sheets, baby.

01:21:51.000 Yeah.

01:21:52.000 I can train hard.

01:21:53.000 And then I can, yeah, the thing is, I was locked in a room in the gym with nothing but a fan blowing hot air on me, no air con.

01:21:59.000 All the tires are there, like, fast asleep, snoring, and I'm just there sweating my head off, and I'm having two hours sleep a night, and I couldn't do that anymore now.

01:22:06.000 Right.

01:22:06.000 Now, like, I go to the island, I can still train just as hard, there's some great coaches there still, but I can go to the beach, I can relax, and...

01:22:13.000 Is that like Phuket?

01:22:14.000 Is that where you go?

01:22:15.000 Phuket or Samui?

01:22:16.000 Yeah, Samui Vineyards.

01:22:17.000 Is Phuket a safe place to go to?

01:22:20.000 Yeah, you know Thailand's safe.

01:22:22.000 Everywhere you go.

01:22:23.000 They used to see drunken, not that I ever drink over that, and drunken stumbling down the road with ladyboys waiting on motorbikes.

01:22:33.000 Foreigners.

01:22:34.000 You hear horror stories about Thailand in the media and stuff like that.

01:22:38.000 There's horror stories everywhere you go.

01:22:39.000 Yeah, of course.

01:22:41.000 All the time I've spent there, I've never seen anyone to what happened.

01:22:44.000 Really?

01:22:44.000 No, never.

01:22:45.000 That's amazing.

01:22:46.000 Even though, obviously, it does happen, but it happens everywhere.

01:22:48.000 John Wayne Parr said the same thing.

01:22:49.000 He goes over there and says, everybody's lovely.

01:22:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:51.000 Yeah, it is.

01:22:53.000 Australia's great.

01:22:54.000 I've been to his gym and spent time with him.

01:22:57.000 He's another one that if you saw his silhouette, you'd absolutely know it was him.

01:23:00.000 Yeah, of course.

01:23:01.000 He's got such an odd style of movement.

01:23:04.000 There's a video of him.

01:23:05.000 Go to John Wayne Parr's Instagram.

01:23:07.000 Well, he's changed his style a lot now because obviously when he lived in Thailand, he had to fight the Thai way.

01:23:12.000 But since he's back in Australia now, and he can adapt to that because he's such a good puncher as well.

01:23:16.000 He can fight both ways.

01:23:17.000 I'm sure if he ever fought in Thailand, which he doesn't need to anymore, he's done all that.

01:23:21.000 But if he did, I'm sure he'd know to revert back.

01:23:24.000 It's 100% John Wayne Parr.

01:23:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:23:28.000 Yeah.

01:23:28.000 I mean, it's very fascinating.

01:23:30.000 If you watched him, you would know for sure.

01:23:35.000 If you just saw the silhouette, you're like, oh yeah, that's John Wayne Parr.

01:23:38.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:23:39.000 He's 40 as well.

01:23:39.000 I mean, he's got some engineering.

01:23:40.000 41, motherfucker.

01:23:42.000 41. And he's fighting again in two weeks.

01:23:44.000 Training like a fucking savage.

01:23:45.000 Still knocking people out as well.

01:23:47.000 And one of the nicest guys you ever want to meet.

01:23:49.000 Yeah.

01:23:49.000 Just couldn't be nicer.

01:23:50.000 His wife's nice, and have you seen his son Jesse doing flips and shit?

01:23:55.000 Yeah, and his daughter's a killer.

01:23:56.000 Me and her fought on the same show in August last year, and she came over and she beat a British girl, and she's out there smashing it now as well.

01:24:05.000 In my garage and just watching him kick the bag.

01:24:07.000 I was like, holy fuck that guy kicks hard.

01:24:10.000 Yeah, and he comes down a lot of weight as well.

01:24:11.000 Does he?

01:24:12.000 Yeah.

01:24:13.000 I think I've seen him before and he was like 84 kilos and then like two, three weeks later, boom, 72.5.

01:24:18.000 Shredded.

01:24:19.000 Big fan of Australia.

01:24:20.000 I'm a big fan of Australians.

01:24:21.000 They're just nice people, man.

01:24:23.000 I've never been.

01:24:23.000 Never been?

01:24:24.000 It's fucking great.

01:24:25.000 Everything can kill you, though.

01:24:26.000 Don't leave your hotel.

01:24:27.000 S, shark, spider, snake, sasquatch.

01:24:31.000 Everything that begins with S in Australia will kill you.

01:24:33.000 And I don't like any of them things.

01:24:35.000 And crocodiles.

01:24:36.000 Some seas can kill you too.

01:24:38.000 If you're dyslexic, it's fine.

01:24:40.000 It's a crazy fucking place.

01:24:41.000 But, you know, they're pretty close to Thailand, right?

01:24:44.000 Six-hour flight or something.

01:24:45.000 Oh, is that it?

01:24:46.000 It's like they're Spain, isn't it?

01:24:47.000 I mean, when English go abroad, you know, and they go get drunk or go on package holidays, they go to Spain.

01:24:53.000 Thailand's their Spain, really.

01:24:55.000 Is that what you guys do?

01:24:56.000 You go to Spain?

01:24:56.000 Why do you go to Spain?

01:24:58.000 Yeah, Mallorca.

01:24:59.000 I love Mallorca.

01:24:59.000 Me and my wife go to Mallorca a lot.

01:25:01.000 Mallorca?

01:25:02.000 Mallorca.

01:25:03.000 I go to Ibiza with all my friends.

01:25:05.000 Where?

01:25:05.000 Ibiza.

01:25:06.000 Oh, Ibiza, right?

01:25:07.000 We say Ibiza, but you guys say Ibiza.

01:25:10.000 But it's a Z. How's it a TH? That's a Spain thing, right?

01:25:34.000 There's a lot of thas, right?

01:25:36.000 Yeah.

01:25:37.000 No, yeah, true.

01:25:38.000 Probably is.

01:25:39.000 Some good fighters from Spain as well.

01:25:41.000 Fuck yeah.

01:25:42.000 Well, Europe has always had ridiculous Muay Thai talent.

01:25:45.000 Yeah, the French are, I think.

01:25:46.000 Outside Thailand, I think it's probably France, then England.

01:25:49.000 Who's that guy that went to Jean-Marc, what is his name?

01:25:53.000 Skabowski.

01:25:54.000 Yes.

01:25:55.000 Jean-Charles Skabowski.

01:25:56.000 Yeah, he was a great fighter.

01:25:57.000 I remember when he came into that MMA house that St. Pierre brought me in and he was still drunk and just fucked them all up.

01:26:02.000 He was up all night drinking at a bar, went to a club, was drinking, came in, smelled like shit, had a fucking glass with him of alcohol, and then put on the pads, put on the gloves, and beat the shit out of everybody.

01:26:16.000 Yeah, we're dropping them all and everything.

01:26:17.000 Throw him around, rag on him.

01:26:18.000 I think he got ranked number one at Raja Damnen Stadium when he was fighting, so he was like, top, top level.

01:26:23.000 And he's promoting now, putting on real good shows.

01:26:25.000 Yeah, really good shows.

01:26:26.000 The crazy thing about him is he doesn't look like anything.

01:26:29.000 No.

01:26:30.000 He never looked in great shape or anything, but he liked that when he fought.

01:26:33.000 He looks flat.

01:26:34.000 No muscles, but he fucks people up!

01:26:36.000 Danny Bill didn't look like that, did he?

01:26:38.000 But he could catch the legs and sweep the ties and stand with them.

01:26:42.000 He could put you to sleep when he...

01:26:43.000 Yeah, with that right hand, yeah.

01:26:44.000 John Wayne Parr beat him, though, didn't he?

01:26:45.000 Yeah, he knocked him out.

01:26:46.000 What was great about Skabowski, though, he used to fight from 140 up to 165. No, no weight class for him.

01:26:52.000 He just said, there's a fight at 165, do you want to do it?

01:26:54.000 He'd go, yeah.

01:26:55.000 And then he'd go fight.

01:26:55.000 And so, you've got to fight two weeks, 140. He went, right, cut the weight.

01:26:58.000 That's why he was so good.

01:27:02.000 Now, you see a lot of traditional karate style in MMA now, where a lot of these guys are learning how to fight a different way and throws people off, like front leg sidekicks, wider stances, hopping in.

01:27:16.000 Is it Wunderboy fights like that?

01:27:17.000 Yes.

01:27:18.000 But you don't see that in Muay Thai.

01:27:20.000 Well, Tenshin, the kid from Japan, the new kid, who is brilliant.

01:27:25.000 That Southpaw I love.

01:27:26.000 How do you say his last name?

01:27:27.000 Natsukawa?

01:27:28.000 Natsukawa, yeah.

01:27:29.000 He's fucking amazing.

01:27:30.000 He's amazing.

01:27:31.000 There's two, actually.

01:27:32.000 There's him and Takeru.

01:27:33.000 And they won't let him fight.

01:27:35.000 They're the same weight.

01:27:36.000 Takeru's just won the K1. I think it's 60 kilos or something.

01:27:39.000 Yeah, we showed a video of Takeru sparring the other day, knocking someone out.

01:27:42.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:43.000 You sent me that.

01:27:43.000 Horrible, right?

01:27:44.000 Yeah, it's horrible.

01:27:45.000 But, you know, tension came originally from karate.

01:27:48.000 He was doing karate as a kid.

01:27:50.000 And the thing is, he's been knocking out ties as well because he's unpredictable and you don't know what's coming.

01:27:54.000 So fast as well.

01:27:55.000 If you can...

01:27:55.000 Get that balance in Muay Thai scoring, it's going to be a bit difficult, but for K1, it's going to be.

01:28:01.000 But you see so many different kids, Moroccan kids coming from Infusion at the minute, that are just, you know, I'm like, wow, he's amazing.

01:28:11.000 Intention's only 18, right?

01:28:12.000 Maybe 19 now?

01:28:13.000 Yeah, we have a fighter called Haruli from Holland.

01:28:20.000 And he's sparking that kid you've seen, that 18-year-old Titan.

01:28:23.000 Nabeel Haruli.

01:28:25.000 And just knocking blokes, sparking them.

01:28:28.000 He's just like, there's some dangerous boys about.

01:28:31.000 I'm so glad I'm old.

01:28:33.000 I am so glad.

01:28:34.000 Don't hit the old fella!

01:28:36.000 It's a it is amazing how combat sports just like kind of any other sport They just the new talent just learns from the old ways and they get better and better I mean, it's just there's better talent today It's just evolving and evolving and evolving all the time in MMA in particular because it's such a recent sport I mean MMA is really only been around like popular since the 1993 somewhere around there So if you look at like 1993 MMA versus 2018 so it's like Fucking the light years difference,

01:29:05.000 but Muay Thai, it's more incremental, right?

01:29:08.000 It's better, but not as much better.

01:29:11.000 No.

01:29:12.000 The Westerners are.

01:29:13.000 They're coming on so much quicker, aren't they now?

01:29:16.000 Yeah, and I just think it's the opportunities that are getting thrown at them now with the likes of Yoko, the likes of all the promotions that are bringing them through.

01:29:25.000 We've just got some really good, like Daniel McGowan on his last performance, he's going to go live in Pechindi now, he's sponsored by them.

01:29:33.000 He's absolutely superb.

01:29:35.000 I'm very proud of our country when it comes to Muay Thai.

01:29:39.000 I'm very, very proud of it because I've been in the days where, even before Liam, I've been at 34 years, I've been involved in it.

01:29:47.000 And just seeing Ty's come over and beat the shit out of people.

01:29:51.000 Right.

01:29:51.000 Like, we're like, hooray!

01:29:52.000 And they're like, oh, fuck.

01:29:53.000 And they're getting proper levered.

01:29:55.000 The likes of this man here and the likes of other people are giving us a better chance.

01:29:59.000 You know, so the fights are more competitive.

01:30:02.000 And Ty's are starting to train.

01:30:04.000 They train for Liam.

01:30:05.000 Like, they train for him.

01:30:07.000 Like, I know that Malay Pet trained solidly for Liam when he fought him on...

01:30:10.000 Yeah, he never trained.

01:30:12.000 He trains one week for a fight, don't he?

01:30:13.000 But you were telling me before, I've trained two months for this.

01:30:16.000 I've trained two months, so...

01:30:17.000 Where'd you fight him on?

01:30:18.000 What card?

01:30:19.000 Lion fight.

01:30:19.000 It was a lion fight.

01:30:20.000 Yeah, I beat him on points.

01:30:21.000 Yeah.

01:30:22.000 Oh, I saw that fight.

01:30:23.000 That was fun.

01:30:24.000 That was a good fight.

01:30:25.000 Yeah.

01:30:25.000 Kept sweeping him.

01:30:26.000 Yeah.

01:30:27.000 That was a good fight.

01:30:27.000 One judge gave it fucking 50-46 to him.

01:30:30.000 Really?

01:30:31.000 Yeah.

01:30:31.000 Was it Adelaide Bird?

01:30:32.000 I think so, man.

01:30:33.000 Adelaide!

01:30:34.000 Yeah, so Lion Fight hasn't had a fight in a long time.

01:30:38.000 I haven't heard anything.

01:30:39.000 They used to be with AXS TV, but I don't think they are anymore.

01:30:42.000 They're working with MTGP. It's run by Kieran Kettle, who's with the MTK. Yeah, they're bringing it into England.

01:30:49.000 Yeah.

01:30:50.000 Do they have an American outlet anymore?

01:30:52.000 I actually don't know.

01:30:54.000 Fuck, they need something in America.

01:30:56.000 Because they were big weren't they as well at one point?

01:30:59.000 AXS TV is Mark Cuban's network and they've got a lot of great fights on it.

01:31:04.000 They've always had a real good strong Muay Thai and combat sports.

01:31:09.000 It needs to get all the yoke out there.

01:31:10.000 And, well, they have...

01:31:11.000 Pat Miller is doing commentary for MMA this weekend with that.

01:31:14.000 But it's just they're missing, you know, the wide distribution of, like, a Fox or FS1 or things that have gotten the UFC so popular.

01:31:23.000 Yeah.

01:31:24.000 They've got two standout fighters as well, really.

01:31:26.000 I think they need more standout fighters to get their fighters, like, on big shows.

01:31:29.000 They've got Kevin Ross.

01:31:31.000 Obviously, there's Shilling as well, but he's more MMA and K1. And...

01:31:35.000 Anjan Topic, and they're like the two that anyone says about Muay Thai in America, Ross Topic.

01:31:40.000 They're the two that come straight up.

01:31:41.000 Well, Schilling is, they're all fighting Bellator.

01:31:43.000 Bellator, yeah.

01:31:45.000 They're champions at Bellator.

01:31:46.000 Which is great.

01:31:47.000 I mean, it's great.

01:31:48.000 I'm a big fan of Bellator kickboxing, but again, it's kickboxing, it's not Muay Thai.

01:31:51.000 Yeah, I prefer to watch Kevin fight Muay Thai, because he's good with his sweeps, he's good with his elbows.

01:31:56.000 He likes to go to war, so it's exciting to watch him do that.

01:31:59.000 K1, like you say, it limits...

01:32:01.000 What a Muay Thai fighter is.

01:32:02.000 Yes.

01:32:02.000 We've got an English girl called Iman Barlow, who's MFusion champion as well, and she's a line fight Muay Thai champion.

01:32:10.000 She's won 10 world titles, she's had 140 fights, and she's been fighting since she was four.

01:32:16.000 What?

01:32:16.000 Aren't she?

01:32:17.000 Yeah.

01:32:17.000 Yeah, she's from the Assassin's Gym in Leicester Train by her dad, Mark Barlow.

01:32:21.000 There's a clip of her, I think.

01:32:22.000 Quality.

01:32:23.000 Have you seen it where she kicks 10 girls 9 times in a row?

01:32:27.000 Kabam!

01:32:28.000 And everyone lands.

01:32:29.000 Left, right, left, right, left, right.

01:32:31.000 What is her name?

01:32:32.000 Iman Prettykiller Barlow.

01:32:34.000 Spell that.

01:32:36.000 Iman is I-M-A-N, like I-man.

01:32:40.000 Barlow, yeah.

01:32:42.000 I'm on Barlow.

01:32:43.000 B-A-R. She talks like that!

01:32:44.000 I come from Leicester!

01:32:45.000 Is that how they talk from Leicester?

01:32:47.000 Yeah.

01:32:47.000 She'll batter me if she sees me.

01:32:49.000 When she sees me.

01:32:50.000 But yeah, she's a great fighter.

01:32:53.000 Where's your accent, you guys?

01:32:55.000 Is this Liverpool?

01:32:56.000 I live in Liverpool, but I'm originally from Manchester.

01:32:59.000 So what is the difference between your accent and a Liverpool accent?

01:33:01.000 I talk very posh compared to Liverpool.

01:33:03.000 Did you?

01:33:04.000 Scousers talk like that.

01:33:06.000 They talk like.

01:33:07.000 My wife, Lisa, is a Scouser.

01:33:13.000 Is this the one?

01:33:14.000 Yeah, it's not the fire.

01:33:15.000 Damn, that's serious.

01:33:18.000 I think it's Marina's waiver there.

01:33:20.000 To the body and then to the head.

01:33:23.000 Damn.

01:33:24.000 Fuck.

01:33:26.000 Yeah, that's the thing about legs, man.

01:33:28.000 I mean, every woman that weighs 130 pounds is carrying 130 pounds around all day with their legs.

01:33:34.000 Try walking around in your hands all day.

01:33:37.000 Women can knock you the fuck out.

01:33:38.000 She's only small, isn't she?

01:33:40.000 115?

01:33:41.000 Yeah.

01:33:41.000 Yeah, she's only small.

01:33:42.000 She's sound, though, isn't she?

01:33:43.000 She's really nice.

01:33:44.000 It's unheard of, though, for a girl to have 100-plus fights.

01:33:49.000 It's ridiculous, really, when you think about it, but...

01:33:51.000 She's still smashing it and she's won about 95, 96%.

01:33:55.000 Yeah, she has, yeah.

01:33:57.000 How old are you now, Liam?

01:33:58.000 32. So you're still in your prime right now?

01:34:00.000 I think so, yeah.

01:34:01.000 I mean, my last 10 fights, I've probably won eight.

01:34:06.000 The two losses have been on points.

01:34:08.000 One to Fabio Pinker, top-level operator, and another French boy.

01:34:13.000 We're both on points.

01:34:15.000 But all my fights in between that, I've either knocked them out or stopped them.

01:34:17.000 I feel when I'm training...

01:34:19.000 And when I'm fighting, I feel like I'm in prime.

01:34:21.000 I feel like I'm stronger than ever.

01:34:22.000 I feel like I'm faster than ever and sharper than ever.

01:34:24.000 I've still got the hunger.

01:34:26.000 I'm still really wanting to fight all the time.

01:34:29.000 It's all I'm concentrating on, as well as I'm training others as well.

01:34:32.000 But my sole intention is still...

01:34:34.000 I've still got goals...

01:34:36.000 That's the thing, like, I know I've had a lot of fights and stuff, but I've still got goals that I want to achieve and I want to do.

01:34:41.000 Like, what are the...

01:34:41.000 Well, I won the WBC title in 2015, and you can see I've got a metal plate in me, I'm there.

01:34:48.000 I brought my hand, and they didn't even give me a chance to just strip me of the belt straight away.

01:34:52.000 They didn't give me a chance to say, right, wait a few months, we can defend it then.

01:34:55.000 They just stripped me of it, and now other people have won it and stuff.

01:34:58.000 So I want to win that belt back, and I don't even know if I'm allowed to say this.

01:35:02.000 So when you had surgery in your hand, they just stripped you?

01:35:04.000 Yeah, they just took it off me, yeah.

01:35:06.000 Why did they do that?

01:35:06.000 I don't know.

01:35:07.000 I think they wanted the French boy.

01:35:08.000 Why were we meant to defend against Tough Eye for it?

01:35:10.000 Because it was in France.

01:35:10.000 So they let him fight for it and then he won it and stuff.

01:35:14.000 But now I think the title's vacant or something.

01:35:17.000 I think the champion's moved away.

01:35:18.000 It's become vacant again.

01:35:19.000 I probably shouldn't be saying this, but I am fighting for it later on in the year.

01:35:22.000 Against a real, real strong fighter as well.

01:35:25.000 I don't think it's been released.

01:35:27.000 I'm not allowed to say it.

01:35:28.000 I don't think.

01:35:28.000 But it's going to be probably one of the biggest fights Britain's seen in a long time.

01:35:32.000 So obviously I've got that looking forward to.

01:35:34.000 In July, massive, massive fight.

01:35:37.000 I'm defending my UK number one spot.

01:35:38.000 I've been looking forward to this for ages.

01:35:41.000 I've been number one in the UK for about 13 years.

01:35:43.000 And now there's a lot of talk about a guy, Charlie Peters, number two in the rankings.

01:35:47.000 Climbed his way up, had some big wins, earned his shot.

01:35:49.000 He's got the whole country divided.

01:35:51.000 It's north-east-south.

01:35:52.000 I'm from Leeds, which is up north.

01:35:54.000 He's from London, which is down south.

01:35:55.000 So he's got the country divided.

01:35:57.000 He's earned his shot, so I'm really looking forward to that.

01:36:00.000 That's a bit of a grudge match.

01:36:01.000 Yeah, you could say that's not...

01:36:03.000 A bit of shit talking going on there.

01:36:04.000 Yeah, a little bit.

01:36:05.000 A bit.

01:36:05.000 A little bit, a little bit.

01:36:06.000 I'm fucking useless at shit talk, though.

01:36:08.000 I like throwing insults out there.

01:36:10.000 It just doesn't even make no sense.

01:36:11.000 And I just go, what the fuck have I just done there?

01:36:13.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:36:15.000 And I just look a complete idiot.

01:36:16.000 It's funny, man.

01:36:17.000 Are you either good at that shit or you're not?

01:36:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:19.000 Like, Connor's got a gift.

01:36:21.000 Yeah.

01:36:21.000 You know, Conor McGregor.

01:36:22.000 Yeah, Till's good at it as well.

01:36:25.000 Louis Leo, I mentioned earlier, he's good at it.

01:36:27.000 I don't know, I'm fucking useless, so I just keep my mouth shut.

01:36:30.000 So, where's the best way that most people can watch you fight?

01:36:34.000 Like, a lot of these fights, you're going to have to watch them after the fact in America, right?

01:36:39.000 Yeah, most of them do come straight on YouTube.

01:36:42.000 And Yo-Kao puts them on, they put them on their YouTube channel?

01:36:45.000 Yes.

01:36:45.000 And is it just Yo-Kao?

01:36:46.000 Y-O-K-K-A-O? Yeah.

01:36:50.000 Yeah, I mean, mainly that's the one that Liam fights on a lot.

01:36:54.000 I commentate on them a lot, which I'm very privileged to do.

01:36:58.000 But yeah, there's other outlets.

01:36:59.000 If you type in Liam in YouTube, whatever, they can watch him.

01:37:02.000 I love the way you commentate because you always say something and you say, isn't he?

01:37:06.000 He's winning, isn't he?

01:37:08.000 Beautiful low kick, isn't it?

01:37:08.000 That was a great performance, wasn't it?

01:37:10.000 Yeah, that's an English thing, man.

01:37:12.000 You say something, but then you also want everybody to agree with you.

01:37:16.000 I think it's kind of a...

01:37:18.000 I'm quarter Welsh, and the Welsh do that, so maybe that's a DNA thing.

01:37:22.000 Yeah, I do it all the time.

01:37:23.000 I say, oh, you were good at him, weren't he?

01:37:25.000 Well, me and you were like that all the time.

01:37:29.000 It was good, that wasn't it?

01:37:30.000 Me and you were like that all the time, aren't we?

01:37:31.000 Well, I noticed that when I was in England, just having conversations with people.

01:37:35.000 That's like a speech pattern that people do over there.

01:37:38.000 I learn something new every day.

01:37:40.000 I first heard you when you were doing It's Showtime, when you were doing commentary.

01:37:43.000 I remember hearing that.

01:37:45.000 Like, this guy always does that.

01:37:46.000 He always says that.

01:37:47.000 Some of the things, I mean, there was one fight where Mohamed Kamal and Mossab and Rani, and I go, fucking bananas.

01:37:57.000 And looking back at it now, I'm thinking, but they loved it.

01:37:59.000 The Dutch said, yes, we like you screaming like bitch.

01:38:02.000 So you do it.

01:38:04.000 You have squeaky voice.

01:38:05.000 It makes the fight exciting.

01:38:06.000 That's a great Dutch accent.

01:38:08.000 Thank you, Bill.

01:38:09.000 So I spend that much time in Holland anyway.

01:38:12.000 But yeah, thanks for that.

01:38:14.000 They're the real pioneers, right?

01:38:15.000 When it comes to expanding into Muay Thai and kickboxing.

01:38:19.000 How did that happen?

01:38:20.000 It was a Kyokushin base originally, right?

01:38:24.000 Yeah.

01:38:24.000 I mean, you've got to thank people like Johan Voss, Tom Harrink, and Jan Plass.

01:38:31.000 Voss trained Ivan Hippolyte, Ernesto Hoost, Shakariki, Dad Bader from the beginning, Peter Ertz, etc.

01:38:39.000 And they're the pioneers.

01:38:40.000 But now they've got so many good gyms coming through, and so many kids that...

01:38:46.000 They fight like you've stole something from them.

01:38:50.000 They just blitzkrieg each other.

01:38:52.000 They're like the Thai version of the Thais in Thailand.

01:38:55.000 The Moroccans and the Dutch are there in K1. They're that version.

01:38:58.000 It's so hard to beat at that sport.

01:39:00.000 I know Liam loves Muay Thai.

01:39:02.000 I try and talk to Liam about kickboxing and he just gets annoyed.

01:39:05.000 It's true though isn't it?

01:39:06.000 I don't get annoyed at kickboxing.

01:39:10.000 You don't watch kickboxing?

01:39:12.000 If Vinny says watch his fight it's amazing.

01:39:14.000 I won't go out of my way to watch it.

01:39:16.000 I don't know.

01:39:17.000 Isn't that interesting?

01:39:18.000 He likes what he likes and that's it.

01:39:22.000 That's a big thing with a lot of Americans.

01:39:25.000 I've tried to show American fight fans Muay Thai, even good buddies of mine.

01:39:30.000 How the fuck can you not like this?

01:39:34.000 I used to watch boxing, but now I've been watching movement specialists.

01:39:40.000 I've been doing all that movement and stuff.

01:39:43.000 I've started doing it.

01:39:44.000 I trained with a guy called Dan Mitton now, and he's a student of Ido Portal.

01:39:49.000 And I like watching that.

01:39:51.000 I find myself just sat there watching men swinging around on rings.

01:39:55.000 To be fair, you know what that's called?

01:39:56.000 It's called manopause.

01:39:57.000 Is it?

01:39:57.000 Like when your balls start to stop working.

01:39:59.000 That's definitely true of me.

01:40:02.000 I worked with Dan not long back, and some of the stuff he does is amazing.

01:40:07.000 He's class.

01:40:08.000 For Muay Thai, obviously your hip flexing and stuff like that, working all the time.

01:40:11.000 Some of the different stuff that he was doing, obviously I get really tight around my hips and stuff when I'm kicking out all the time.

01:40:16.000 Some of the stuff that he showed me and we worked with him were unbelievable.

01:40:18.000 I felt so much looser.

01:40:19.000 Yeah, we loved that guy.

01:40:20.000 Have you ever done any yoga?

01:40:22.000 No, I did hot yoga once and I nearly died.

01:40:27.000 So I thought, yeah, I don't think I'll do that one again.

01:40:30.000 But I should do, to be fair.

01:40:31.000 But I think now that I've found Dan and all the different stuff that he's shown me, I think that'll...

01:40:36.000 That can replace any sort of yoga that I should be doing, because this stuff is amazing.

01:40:40.000 Well, I think it would be a good compliment to your style, because your style is so fucking hard!

01:40:45.000 You're so tense and powerful that I would think that maybe that would open you up a little bit, make you a little bit more loose.

01:40:51.000 That stuff that Dan does, it does it like it's opening, using different joints and stuff, and putting me in positions that I'm not used to.

01:40:57.000 And to be fair, it is hard, but...

01:41:00.000 After you've done it, and after you've done the workout and stuff that he's shown you, you just feel loose.

01:41:04.000 Yeah.

01:41:05.000 You feel amazing.

01:41:06.000 He's brilliant.

01:41:07.000 He's really, really good.

01:41:07.000 He's horrific.

01:41:07.000 I go every Wednesday morning, and I don't want to go.

01:41:10.000 I'll fucking tell you the truth.

01:41:11.000 I'm driving down there.

01:41:12.000 It's an hour away from me, and I'm thinking, fuck this.

01:41:15.000 And then I get there, and it's just a very, very special dude.

01:41:19.000 How illegal is weed in England?

01:41:22.000 I'm not into it, mate.

01:41:23.000 Listen, bro.

01:41:24.000 Take two solid hits and then go to yoga class.

01:41:27.000 If I took two solid hits, I'd be hiding from the back of my sofa, I'm telling you.

01:41:30.000 It's not for me.

01:41:31.000 Especially American weed.

01:41:33.000 Get a hold of some of this California shit.

01:41:34.000 You'll be in an orbit.

01:41:36.000 Serious paranoia.

01:41:37.000 Two hits and then go to a yoga class.

01:41:38.000 It's like you're on a journey.

01:41:41.000 You get out of there an hour and a half later, it's perfect, because an hour and a half into the sweating, the pot's worn off, and you come back down.

01:41:48.000 But in the middle of it, you feel like the world's going to end any second now.

01:41:51.000 In the middle of the class, there's no way this could be sustainable.

01:41:54.000 There's no way.

01:41:54.000 I'm not going to survive the whole world.

01:41:57.000 You just think about everything that's going on.

01:41:58.000 Kevin, Tracy, get on with Joe.

01:42:00.000 We're like a house on fire.

01:42:01.000 That's me, Mom and Dad.

01:42:04.000 Not me.

01:42:04.000 I can't do it.

01:42:05.000 Don't agree with me.

01:42:06.000 I love it for yoga.

01:42:07.000 It's one of my favourite things ever.

01:42:08.000 Take two hits and go to yoga class.

01:42:10.000 But the thing is, when you're stoned, you can't not be un-stoned quick.

01:42:13.000 You're just like, oh shit, you've got to wait for it to wear off.

01:42:15.000 No, there's no wearing off quick.

01:42:17.000 Caffeine helps a little bit.

01:42:18.000 Does it?

01:42:19.000 I remember Jordan gave me a drop of cannabis oil before and I melted into his sofa for about six hours and I couldn't move and I'm thinking, I'm dead.

01:42:25.000 I'm done here.

01:42:26.000 I can't get up.

01:42:27.000 Last time I was here, I had some cannabis oil and I was sat there watching TV and then I was like, fuck, Fucking hell, that was mine.

01:42:36.000 And then I got the remote control from the TV, and this guy was going, and I turned him over, and I went, ha.

01:42:42.000 To me fucking self.

01:42:43.000 And then I knew, thought, no, it's not for you, this.

01:42:46.000 Well, it's just one of those things like anything else.

01:42:48.000 You've got to ease into it.

01:42:50.000 You've got to understand what you're doing.

01:42:52.000 I like it for just relaxation, reflection, you know?

01:42:56.000 I think it's also great for pain management.

01:42:59.000 After you're done training, everything's sore.

01:43:01.000 Your shoulders, your elbows.

01:43:03.000 My mom and dad, they both love it.

01:43:04.000 I've just never been able to.

01:43:06.000 I remember I tried two drags before and I nearly had a fucking paranoia attack.

01:43:09.000 I had to go hide.

01:43:10.000 You've got to dig a little one.

01:43:12.000 Well, I'm that type of guy though, I'm all or nothing, do you know what I mean?

01:43:15.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

01:43:16.000 Yeah, with every aspect, so...

01:43:17.000 Yeah, if you approach pad the way you approach Muay Thai, that could be a real fucking problem.

01:43:21.000 Big mistake, yeah.

01:43:22.000 I tried holding pads for him, I was holding pads for him the other day and I said, right, just...

01:43:25.000 Just BANG! Just BANG! Just BANG! Okay, just bang it then.

01:43:31.000 So you're trying to get him to settle down and he just...

01:43:34.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm...

01:43:35.000 No, nowhere near the level of his coach.

01:43:38.000 I just hold pads in the way that I can.

01:43:41.000 I'm more of a boxing, holding pads for boxing, because there's no way.

01:43:45.000 I've held pads for Jordan Watson, and I'm not even experiencing that again.

01:43:49.000 I'm an old man, and I'm not holding pads for him.

01:43:51.000 Jordan kicks twice as hard as me as well.

01:43:53.000 His kicks are absolutely ridiculous.

01:43:55.000 He'd probably break straight through that machine out there.

01:43:57.000 Yeah, I'd like to get him in here.

01:43:58.000 Absolute nightmare holding pads for him.

01:44:00.000 I'm sure.

01:44:01.000 I've seen him fight.

01:44:02.000 I saw him fight Giorgio, too.

01:44:04.000 He got caught with that crazy right hook.

01:44:06.000 Yeah, it was a fatal mistake, that.

01:44:08.000 You know, Giorgio Petrosian's got such good eyesight that he's just...

01:44:13.000 I knew about him years before, didn't I? About 15 years ago?

01:44:18.000 Yeah, this kid, this kid, this kid.

01:44:20.000 My boxer fought him.

01:44:22.000 And we went in and we heard about this kid, oh, Giorgio Petrosa, I was like, right, whatever, yes, he's unbeaten, blah, blah, blah, fuck off.

01:44:27.000 They're just trying to scare you, don't worry.

01:44:29.000 My boxer went out, he was a great fighter himself, Rick Barner, lovely kid, got his own gym.

01:44:34.000 And I thought, blah, blah, blah, slip, got caught, dropped, body shot, then he got up again, body shot, leg kick, bang.

01:44:40.000 And he come back and he said, I could have done this, I could have done that.

01:44:42.000 I said, you fucking couldn't.

01:44:43.000 I'll tell you what, the most impressive thing about him as well, because I used to watch the videos that Vinny used to send me, and I think, oh, he looks alright.

01:44:49.000 I commentated with Vinny once live on him, and I just saw the subtle stuff that he does up close, you know, the little slips, the little step-off from Southpaw, and I just said to Vinny, I took the mic away, I went, this is fucking unreal.

01:45:00.000 Just the subtle stuff, which is what makes him a level above anyone else.

01:45:04.000 He's the greatest K1 fighter of all time.

01:45:06.000 Yeah, and I mean, he puts...

01:45:08.000 What he does is negates your rhythm.

01:45:11.000 When the Dutch fight, the Dutch fight mainly in combination, they fire fast hands, fast kicks, they fire him straight, but he negates that first shot, and then he'll step off so he can't reach.

01:45:20.000 He puts that right palm out, he fights southpaw, puts that right palm out, and he throws a lot of teep kicks off that right front leg.

01:45:29.000 And he's strong as well, I think he's deceptively strong.

01:45:31.000 He's Armenian, he's not actually Italian, his real name's Gevorg.

01:45:34.000 They call him Giorgio Petrosian, but his real name's Gevorg.

01:45:37.000 They changed it because it's more palatable for the Italians.

01:45:39.000 But he's a very, very special individual.

01:45:43.000 So technical.

01:45:44.000 A really interesting guy to watch him train too.

01:45:47.000 Yeah, I love watching him palatable.

01:45:49.000 Nothing's done over hard or anything.

01:45:51.000 It's all just done perfect.

01:45:52.000 Every shot is perfect.

01:45:53.000 Yeah, and again, everybody's got their own style.

01:45:56.000 That's one of the beautiful things about Muay Thai is that the art is very straightforward.

01:46:01.000 You have your eight weapons, but it's like how you apply those is all based on creativity, your own personal preferences.

01:46:08.000 Yeah, that's the great thing about when you watch the Top Thais in Thailand.

01:46:12.000 A technician, but then you'll have a big clincher, and they might be getting the floor white with them outside the clinch, but as soon as they grab hold and they start banging them big knees in and stuff, it's going to make the fight a lot more interesting.

01:46:21.000 It's then the technician's job to keep him off, to teep, to move, to score with the kicks.

01:46:25.000 That's the great thing about Muay Thai.

01:46:26.000 That's why I love it so much.

01:46:28.000 Well, that's why I think it's the best striking style is because it incorporates so much grappling.

01:46:33.000 There's so much sweeps and clinch and knee work and controlling the back of the neck.

01:46:40.000 It's so effective to take that out.

01:46:44.000 Like when I watch a boxing match and they're like, break!

01:46:46.000 I'm like, why are you breaking?

01:46:47.000 Go back and watch old Jack Johnson fights.

01:46:50.000 You ever watch old Jack Johnson fights?

01:46:51.000 I've never seen that.

01:46:52.000 Yeah, locking horns.

01:46:53.000 Clinch the shit out of everybody.

01:46:55.000 Clinch everybody.

01:46:56.000 Fucking wear them out.

01:46:57.000 Matt Skelton, you see, that was a heavyweight from England.

01:46:59.000 He used to clinch.

01:47:01.000 But I've since been working with Liam and doing the seminars that we've been doing.

01:47:04.000 I've been doing it a long time.

01:47:06.000 And I'm watching him and I'm going, I don't know that.

01:47:08.000 I don't know that.

01:47:09.000 And it's been brilliant for me to fall in love with Muay Thai again.

01:47:12.000 Because you'll see what he does in it.

01:47:14.000 I don't know that.

01:47:15.000 Well, there's so much to boxing, right?

01:47:18.000 I mean, when you see a guy like a Floyd Mayweather or a real technician like Lomachenko, just there's so much to learn.

01:47:26.000 Now add leg kicks, knees, head kicks, elbows, clinch, all this other stuff.

01:47:33.000 I mean, Muay Thai is almost...

01:47:34.000 Never ending.

01:47:35.000 I say all the time, I've been training only 20 years and I learn every day.

01:47:39.000 Every day I will learn just something new, whether it's from someone in the gym who have been sparring, whether it's from my coach Richard, whether it's from a YouTube video, watching a fight in Thailand or something.

01:47:48.000 I'm still learning every single day.

01:47:49.000 And I remember my trainer from Thailand, Jit, when I was living there, he was saying, I'm 50 years old, I've been doing this 40 years.

01:47:57.000 He said, I learn every day as well.

01:47:58.000 That's amazing.

01:47:59.000 It's never ending.

01:48:00.000 That's why I'm in love with it so much.

01:48:02.000 Jiu Jitsu is very similar as well.

01:48:03.000 I can imagine MMA being exactly the same with the wrestling Jiu Jitsu and everything.

01:48:08.000 Yeah, it's just one of those things that on the outside you don't see it, but the closer you get to it, the more you realize, wow, this thing is never ending.

01:48:15.000 Yeah.

01:48:15.000 And you know what?

01:48:17.000 I'll be honest, I've not met anyone that I'd really dislike in it.

01:48:21.000 They're all pretty decent, aren't they?

01:48:23.000 Nice people.

01:48:24.000 They'd not fuck out of each other and they're like...

01:48:26.000 Cheers!

01:48:27.000 Talk about a character developer.

01:48:29.000 Yeah.

01:48:29.000 I mean, what develops your character more than combat sports?

01:48:32.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:48:32.000 I mean, you find out who the fuck you are.

01:48:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:48:35.000 And that's why we'll come back to what I was saying earlier.

01:48:37.000 You find out who you are.

01:48:39.000 Some people think, fuck this, that ain't me.

01:48:41.000 Other people say it.

01:48:42.000 Fuck yeah, let's do that again.

01:48:44.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:48:45.000 All the best fighters are all the best people you're going to meet as well, I think.

01:48:50.000 Look at how much of a gentleman Petrosian is.

01:48:53.000 He is an idiot.

01:48:54.000 He's absolute.

01:48:54.000 Do you know what's funny about the fight with Jordan Petrosian?

01:48:57.000 They're very similar characters.

01:48:58.000 They're very, very nice people.

01:48:59.000 I mean, Jordan is an absolute...

01:49:01.000 You wouldn't think Jordan was a fighter.

01:49:02.000 No, when I met him, super sweetheart.

01:49:04.000 Lovely guy.

01:49:05.000 At the end of the fight with Jordan Petrosian, Petrosian runs over and puts his head on him.

01:49:11.000 Because it hugs him.

01:49:12.000 I think like attracts like, and I think he understood that.

01:49:17.000 The fight, once it's over, the bells ring, you know, I said to him, because I messaged Giorgio Patroso, he said, you punched another one of my friends, whatever, congratulations, but don't hit another one of my friends that he'll have me to deal with, as if he's fucking scared.

01:49:29.000 Like it matters.

01:49:31.000 And he said, oh no, he kicked hard.

01:49:33.000 He kicked really hard.

01:49:34.000 He kicked very, very hard.

01:49:35.000 So he was still respectful, you know.

01:49:37.000 He's a good guy.

01:49:38.000 Well, listen, let's wrap this up.

01:49:40.000 Liam, thank you so much for being here.

01:49:41.000 Thank you for having me here.

01:49:42.000 Thank you very much.

01:49:43.000 It's my honor.

01:49:44.000 And thank you for training with me, too.

01:49:46.000 That was beautiful.

01:49:46.000 No problem.

01:49:46.000 Thank you, mate.

01:49:47.000 That was awesome for me, man.

01:49:48.000 And people can find you on Twitter at Liam underscore Badco.

01:49:51.000 Yeah, get me on my Instagram.

01:49:53.000 That gets updated on my training.

01:49:54.000 Did I say Twitter?

01:49:55.000 I meant Instagram.

01:49:56.000 Yeah, my Instagram.

01:49:56.000 All my training clips, everything I post on there, all my fights, all my seminars, all my upcoming stuff that I've been doing with Vinny, we'll all be thrown onto there.

01:50:03.000 Yeah, and Vinny Shorman, you're on Instagram as well, with a Y. Vinny, V-I-N-N-Y, Shorman.

01:50:07.000 Yeah, and VinnyShorman.com.

01:50:08.000 Get a hold of me.

01:50:09.000 We'll see what happens.

01:50:10.000 Thank you, brother.

01:50:10.000 Thanks, Joe.

01:50:11.000 Awesome.

01:50:11.000 Cheers, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 04, 2010

JRE MMA Show #19 with Vinny Shoreman & Liam Harrison

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