The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #28 with Georges St-Pierre

00:00:03.000 Going to the Contender after Freddie Roach.

00:00:07.000 Oh, really?

00:00:07.000 Yeah.

00:00:08.000 Nice.

00:00:09.000 Live?

00:00:10.000 Boom.

00:00:10.000 We're live.

00:00:11.000 You want to wear headphones or no?

00:00:12.000 Yeah.

00:00:12.000 It's better like this, right?

00:00:13.000 Do you wear...

00:00:14.000 Are your cauliflower ears, they keep you from wearing earbuds?

00:00:18.000 You know those little things that go in your ear?

00:00:20.000 Does I need to?

00:00:20.000 No, I don't need it.

00:00:21.000 You don't need it.

00:00:22.000 You don't have to.

00:00:22.000 I don't have to.

00:00:24.000 Just keep this close to your face and we're good.

00:00:27.000 Alright.

00:00:27.000 There we go.

00:00:28.000 What's up, man?

00:00:29.000 How are you?

00:00:30.000 Fantastic.

00:00:31.000 You look good.

00:00:32.000 I feel good.

00:00:33.000 I feel...

00:00:33.000 If it would not be for my ulcer that I had, I would be...

00:00:38.000 I feel better than when I was 25. What did you have?

00:00:42.000 You had colitis?

00:00:43.000 Yeah, colitis.

00:00:43.000 What is that?

00:00:44.000 What causes that?

00:00:46.000 We don't really know what it causes, but...

00:00:49.000 The best...

00:00:53.000 The best theory is that before my last fight with Michael Bisping, I tried to put on weight, extra weight, so I followed a diet program that I was eating almost every two hours.

00:01:07.000 I think your system is like a car.

00:01:09.000 If you do a lot of mileage, Overuse it.

00:01:13.000 So that's what happened with the stress and everything.

00:01:16.000 During my training camp, I had a big problem.

00:01:18.000 You know, I couldn't sleep.

00:01:19.000 I had crazy cramps, you know, sometimes.

00:01:21.000 And I had blood.

00:01:23.000 Even when I went to the bathroom, at one point, I had to go do some tests because I was worried that it was something more...

00:01:31.000 Like, I mean, colitis is very serious, but that it was like cancer or something because I had blood.

00:01:36.000 So I did some tests.

00:01:37.000 It came out negative.

00:01:38.000 And I said to myself, I said, this fight being...

00:01:42.000 Delayed, not delayed, but postponed so many times that if I do something, if I say that publicly, what is going on, I'm going to lose the opportunity to fight for the title at 185. So I keep it shut.

00:01:56.000 And I told myself, I said, whatever it is, I'll deal with it after the fight.

00:02:00.000 So I did the fight.

00:02:02.000 Everything went well.

00:02:02.000 Then after I went to do, it's called a colonoscopy.

00:02:05.000 They put a camera inside of you.

00:02:07.000 Yeah.

00:02:07.000 And I got diagnosed with ulcerative colitis.

00:02:10.000 That's probably the mix of the stress and also the fact that I was...

00:02:14.000 Constantly eating.

00:02:15.000 I was eating, and not only eating, Joe, I was trying to put on some weight.

00:02:18.000 It was very hard.

00:02:19.000 Sometimes, I remember many times I was having breakfast, but I was regurgitating my breakfast, like chewing up.

00:02:26.000 Because you were just eating too much food.

00:02:27.000 Yeah, but I had to because I needed to keep myself in a certain weight.

00:02:33.000 The crazy thing about it is, first now I realize it's a mistake.

00:02:37.000 I should never have done it.

00:02:38.000 But when I made the weight at 185, the day before the fight, I could not go back up to 190. That's the highest I was going back up.

00:02:49.000 So the day of the fight...

00:02:51.000 I woke up and I had a little breakfast.

00:02:54.000 I threw up my breakfast again.

00:02:56.000 Wow!

00:02:56.000 Yeah, I was really messed up.

00:02:58.000 Then I went to weigh myself.

00:02:59.000 I was like 190 pounds.

00:03:01.000 Wow!

00:03:02.000 And what do you think Mike weighed?

00:03:04.000 He felt very strong.

00:03:05.000 I mean, it's not really the weight at this time because The weight that you weigh right now, depending on what you eat, you have a lot of stuff inside your intestine and everything.

00:03:16.000 And also water retention.

00:03:18.000 I felt like I had a lot of water retention.

00:03:22.000 Unnecessary weight.

00:03:23.000 Exactly.

00:03:24.000 So it's like dead weight.

00:03:25.000 It's like a bag that you carry on your shoulder.

00:03:26.000 So what I should have done, I think, is just stay the same way that I am.

00:03:30.000 My natural weight.

00:03:31.000 I think the body has a weight that...

00:03:35.000 It's the best way to perform an athletic performance, and that's what I should have done.

00:03:39.000 But it was a mistake of my part.

00:03:41.000 It was a big mistake.

00:03:42.000 So you were just thinking that because you're going up to 185 and you're fighting a guy in Bisping that used to fight at 205, he's a pretty big guy.

00:03:49.000 Exactly.

00:03:50.000 I thought that to perform better, I needed to elevate my weight, but by doing that, I create a big problem of health issues.

00:04:00.000 And that colitis didn't exist before that.

00:04:05.000 Not that I got diagnosed for, no.

00:04:08.000 And I think that's what triggered it.

00:04:11.000 And so after the fight, now that you've gone back to a normal diet, has it changed?

00:04:15.000 So after the fight, what happened, and it's very interesting, I got on medication, and I met a doctor, his name is Jason Fung, he's in Toronto.

00:04:27.000 People can research.

00:04:27.000 He's this amazing, amazing guy.

00:04:29.000 And I met a doctor that treats people with cancer and diabetes with intermittent fasting.

00:04:36.000 So I start doing a program of intermittent fasting and time-restricted eating, and now my symptoms diminish.

00:04:43.000 Like every week, every month, it diminish.

00:04:45.000 So it's getting better.

00:04:47.000 It's not 100% now, but it's getting a lot better.

00:04:50.000 A lot better, and I feel a lot better.

00:04:53.000 A lot of people eat like that now.

00:04:55.000 We had Ben Greenfield on yesterday.

00:04:58.000 He's a journalist who does a lot of experimenting with his body.

00:05:02.000 He's done a lot of scientific stuff and scientific research on diet and restricted eating is a big part of it.

00:05:09.000 He does a lot of that.

00:05:10.000 It's interesting because we're conditioned to think that I want to gain muscle, I need to eat more to accelerate my metabolism, but I never felt better in my life.

00:05:22.000 If we would not be for that Particular issue.

00:05:25.000 I feel better now.

00:05:26.000 I sleep better.

00:05:30.000 Inflammation.

00:05:31.000 And I also did a test.

00:05:33.000 In January, I went to McGill University to do a scan of my weight, my fat percentage, my muscle density, bone density.

00:05:44.000 In five months, I did it a few days ago.

00:05:47.000 Not this week, Tuesday of the last week.

00:05:51.000 And my fat percentage has decreased, my muscle mass has increased, and my weight is the same than it was in January.

00:06:02.000 And you think this is all from restricted eating?

00:06:04.000 My training did not have changed.

00:06:06.000 So the only thing that has changed pretty much is the restricted time eating and intermittent fasting, yes.

00:06:14.000 Yeah, that intermittent fasting gives your digestive system a break, and it lets your body recuperate better.

00:06:20.000 I think that's what it helped me the most.

00:06:23.000 I think that's what it is.

00:06:25.000 I felt like I was, like I said, like a car.

00:06:29.000 I was putting too much for nothing.

00:06:31.000 And I think as human beings, we're overfed.

00:06:33.000 Yeah.

00:06:35.000 I'm very interested about paleontology and also history, and I know that human beings in hunter-gatherer time, they not eat three meals a day.

00:06:45.000 No, no.

00:06:45.000 They eat maybe a few times a week, but when they eat, they eat a lot.

00:06:49.000 Yeah.

00:06:49.000 Because they need to do it fast.

00:06:51.000 So I think it's more natural for a human being to do so.

00:06:55.000 And also, now I read a lot of stuff, and I watch a lot of stuff on the internet about intermittent fasting and time-restricted eating, and I just wish I knew that before.

00:07:05.000 For so many years, I used to follow the rules, oh, we need to eat at least three times a day.

00:07:11.000 I don't really care what I eat, but even though in the morning I was not hungry, I was always forcing myself to eat, which is bad.

00:07:22.000 What has changed in your diet?

00:07:24.000 What do you eat?

00:07:25.000 What's a normal meal for you?

00:07:28.000 I don't really...

00:07:29.000 I don't really watch what I eat anymore.

00:07:33.000 It's more when I eat.

00:07:35.000 I try to eat healthy, but I don't have a specific diet.

00:07:38.000 For example, Tuesday I'm going to eat this, this, this.

00:07:41.000 That's not how it works.

00:07:43.000 I just try to eat healthy.

00:07:46.000 I try to eat good.

00:07:48.000 Of course, I don't Look at, oh, this is a dessert.

00:07:52.000 You know, if I want a dessert, a chocolate, I'll get it.

00:07:55.000 I remember that from one of your old videos.

00:07:57.000 Like, you were having a glass of wine during training camp.

00:08:00.000 You're like, oh, there's nothing wrong with one glass of wine.

00:08:02.000 Well, if you think about it, Joe, I don't think a glass of wine or anything...

00:08:10.000 Before a fight, we have the tendency to be too much like, oh, what should I eat?

00:08:14.000 What should I do this?

00:08:15.000 Should I do that?

00:08:16.000 I think it's...

00:08:18.000 Too tense?

00:08:18.000 Too tense, exactly.

00:08:20.000 When I went to Thailand, I met some world champion Thai boxer.

00:08:25.000 And they smoke, they get drunk before the fight.

00:08:27.000 I'm like, you're fighting tomorrow, man.

00:08:29.000 It's like, oh, it's like, it's no problem.

00:08:32.000 But when you think about it, this is an extreme.

00:08:34.000 This is to the other extreme.

00:08:36.000 Yes.

00:08:37.000 But I don't think it has that much of an effect.

00:08:41.000 You know what I used to eat before?

00:08:43.000 Like, before a fight, my meal of choice, before I got into reading about eating and stuff like that, I was eating pasta before a fight.

00:08:54.000 Most of my fat I eat like fettuccine Alfredo.

00:08:57.000 That's a lot of carbs. 0.90

00:09:00.000 I mean, it seems like not bad.

00:09:01.000 Yeah, but I mean, it's not bad.

00:09:02.000 But if you eat, if you talk to, for example, a nutritionist, he'll be like, oh my God, he will grab his head.

00:09:08.000 He'll be like, are you serious?

00:09:09.000 Mike Tyson used to eat that.

00:09:10.000 He used to eat a steak and pasta before his fights.

00:09:13.000 That was my thing.

00:09:14.000 I used to eat pasta all the time and there's no problem with that for me.

00:09:17.000 And I felt great.

00:09:19.000 But since I start reading about nutrition and stuff like that, it's like, oh, you need to eat clean.

00:09:27.000 It never affects me.

00:09:28.000 I don't think it has that much of a big effect.

00:09:31.000 It's more psychological, I think.

00:09:33.000 Well, it's also you think about how much energy you're burning.

00:09:36.000 I think for the average person, a bowl of pasta is not a good idea.

00:09:39.000 But for an athlete that's about to fight five five-minute rounds against a world-class fighter, You have different energy requirements.

00:09:48.000 You have different nutrition requirements.

00:09:50.000 You can burn off way more fuel.

00:09:52.000 I was listening to Chad Mendez on a podcast the other day, and he was talking about how he's so hungry, he eats so much, he wakes up in the middle of the night and he goes and eats sometimes.

00:10:01.000 Wow.

00:10:02.000 He can't go a couple hours without eating.

00:10:04.000 He just has this crazy metabolism.

00:10:06.000 You know what?

00:10:07.000 Since I discovered time-restricted eating and intermittent fasting, now I feel better by training with an empty stomach.

00:10:15.000 I feel sharper up here.

00:10:17.000 I feel more creative, especially in jiu-jitsu.

00:10:21.000 I feel better.

00:10:22.000 I feel lighter on my feet.

00:10:23.000 Really?

00:10:23.000 Yeah, man.

00:10:24.000 So you do first jiu-jitsu class in the morning, no food in your stomach?

00:10:27.000 I never have food.

00:10:28.000 I haven't eaten today.

00:10:29.000 The coffee you give me is the first thing I have.

00:10:31.000 So when will you eat?

00:10:32.000 It's 12.24 right now.

00:10:34.000 After this, I'm going to go train with Freddie Roach.

00:10:38.000 And then I'm going to eat.

00:10:39.000 And then I'll eat.

00:10:39.000 And maybe I'll eat another time.

00:10:41.000 I'm a late eater.

00:10:43.000 That's one thing.

00:10:44.000 I'm not too good.

00:10:45.000 I don't like to eat too much early during the day.

00:10:47.000 I'm not really hungry.

00:10:49.000 I used to eat because everybody eats.

00:10:51.000 But now I'm like, I'm not going to eat since I've discovered this.

00:10:55.000 I don't eat when I'm not hungry. 0.75

00:10:57.000 And the thing is, white people eat... 0.73

00:11:00.000 It's because there's a spike of insulin.

00:11:02.000 So when I started doing intermittent fasting and time-restricted eating, it was hard in the beginning because I was conditioned to eat all the time.

00:11:12.000 But my body acclimated to it.

00:11:14.000 And now it's very easy.

00:11:15.000 I can't eat once a day.

00:11:17.000 It's no problem.

00:11:17.000 Like right now.

00:11:18.000 I could do it.

00:11:20.000 And I think it's good to be hungry in a way.

00:11:22.000 I remember the doctor said something to me.

00:11:24.000 He said, would you rather be like a lion that just...

00:11:30.000 I had a full belly or an angry lion.

00:11:33.000 I'm like, as a fighter, I'd rather be like an angry lion.

00:11:36.000 And it makes sense to me.

00:11:38.000 If you look at nature, it makes sense.

00:11:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:11:41.000 It does make sense, especially when you do time-restricted eating, your body gets used to burning off fat, too, and using fat as fuel.

00:11:48.000 It's true.

00:11:49.000 That's why I think when I did the test to compare, my fat percentage diminished.

00:11:55.000 I don't have much fat, but it diminished.

00:11:57.000 And the doctor I met...

00:12:00.000 I said to him, I said, yeah, I gained a lot of weight.

00:12:03.000 He said, don't you think I'm going to lose muscle?

00:12:05.000 He says to me, he believed that the weight that I put on, because now I'm about 185 pounds, and when I trained for Bisping, I went up to 197. After the weigh-in, I couldn't put back that weight up, so I was 190. He believed that The extra weight that I had was more water retention and residual inside my body.

00:12:29.000 It was not like a solid mass.

00:12:31.000 And it makes sense to me.

00:12:32.000 Because now I feel much better.

00:12:34.000 And I'm just as strong and even stronger.

00:12:36.000 Like, when I do Olympic lifting, much stronger.

00:12:39.000 Gymnastic, much stronger.

00:12:41.000 Like, I feel sharper.

00:12:43.000 Yeah, and you said it reduced your inflammation as well.

00:12:45.000 It does.

00:12:46.000 I have sometimes elbows, you know, like problems.

00:12:49.000 You used to have always that big inflated elbow, like a swollen elbow.

00:12:53.000 What was that?

00:12:53.000 It was a...

00:12:55.000 Bursitis or something?

00:12:57.000 It was a bursitis.

00:12:59.000 That was during my fight of Thiago Alves, but I got a surgery to take away the residual, the bone chip inside my elbow.

00:13:07.000 Is that from landing elbows or from I think it's just use.

00:13:12.000 But now I don't have any problem anymore.

00:13:16.000 It used to be a chronic thing that I used to feel once in a while.

00:13:20.000 Sometimes it came and it goes.

00:13:22.000 But since I started this, it didn't come at all.

00:13:25.000 I felt great.

00:13:26.000 I can touch my two shoulders like this.

00:13:28.000 When you came back, it's very interesting because with a lot of people, they take time off and then they come back and you wonder what they're going to look like.

00:13:36.000 But one of the things that I was very hopeful with you is that you've always been...

00:13:41.000 Almost a martial artist first and a fighter second in that you're always learning and you're always practicing.

00:13:49.000 Like, you would always take time in between camps and you would, you know, do jiu-jitsu in Brazil or you would be constantly practicing your Muay Thai.

00:13:57.000 You're always trying to learn and improve your game.

00:13:59.000 And I was thinking when you came back, it was like, you were saying that you were better than ever.

00:14:04.000 I'm like, man, he might be better than ever.

00:14:06.000 Like, you're the one guy that I believed.

00:14:09.000 Because a lot of times guys come back and you're like...

00:14:11.000 Man, he's been out of the game a long time.

00:14:14.000 Who knows how hard he's been training?

00:14:15.000 Because a lot of fighters, when they're not in camp, when they're not preparing for a fight, they don't like to train that much.

00:14:22.000 Because the grind of camp almost wears them.

00:14:26.000 You know how you see a lot of fighters after they retire, they get really fat?

00:14:29.000 Yeah.

00:14:29.000 And you're like, wow, how could he get fat?

00:14:31.000 Like, I was looking at Maidana the other day.

00:14:33.000 There's a picture of Maidana's...

00:14:35.000 Chino Maidana.

00:14:37.000 He's got an Instagram page. 1.00

00:14:39.000 He's fat as fuck. 1.00

00:14:40.000 He's got a cigar. 1.00

00:14:42.000 He's drinking a whiskey.

00:14:43.000 I mean, he just fought Floyd Mayweather a couple years ago.

00:14:45.000 Yeah.

00:14:45.000 He was ripped and...

00:14:47.000 They retire and they don't give a fuck anymore. 0.99

00:14:49.000 They're like, I don't want to do this anymore. 0.99

00:14:50.000 But you...

00:14:50.000 I knew you were still training.

00:14:52.000 Because I would see, like in the Henzo Gracie, the guys who were training with you there.

00:14:57.000 And I knew you were training with Donaher.

00:14:59.000 I knew you were constantly training and you looked good.

00:15:01.000 So I was like...

00:15:03.000 When I left off more than four years ago, I knew I wanted to come back.

00:15:09.000 I was not in an happy place.

00:15:11.000 I had a lot of personal problems.

00:15:13.000 And I should have even stopped earlier after my fight with Hendrix.

00:15:18.000 If I would have stopped earlier, I would have maybe come back earlier as well.

00:15:23.000 It was...

00:15:24.000 I was...

00:15:26.000 I felt like I was like kind of a feeling of a claustrophobic feeling, you know, like I couldn't breathe well, I couldn't sleep well.

00:15:34.000 Too much pressure?

00:15:36.000 Too much pressure, personal problems, so much stuff.

00:15:39.000 A lot of stuff happened to me that it's still too early in my life, and for the respect of some people, I know I couldn't talk about it.

00:15:46.000 One day I will all mix together.

00:15:48.000 I knew it was a drug issue in the sport.

00:15:50.000 I feel...

00:15:53.000 I did feel well and I was trying to perform under those conditions and it was catching up to me.

00:16:00.000 And I did it.

00:16:02.000 But the reason why I think I didn't lose the edge is a lot of people because we do an extreme sport.

00:16:09.000 It's like what we do is kind of a life and death situation.

00:16:14.000 It's not because there's a referee but the spirit is the same as a gladiator or a A person in a war that goes to war, he thinks he's gonna die.

00:16:23.000 It's the same spirit.

00:16:24.000 Even though it's not the same thing, we go there in the same spirit that we're ready to give it all.

00:16:29.000 It's such an extreme feeling that once you don't have that in your life, life kind of becomes boring.

00:16:38.000 You feel like you're not alive anymore.

00:16:40.000 So that's why when people stop They retired and they tried to come back.

00:16:44.000 A lot of the people, they fall into drugs because they want to catch up to that.

00:16:48.000 They want to feel alive again, so they need that sensation that they had previously.

00:16:54.000 But they couldn't get it back unless they do drugs or they do something crazy extravagant.

00:17:02.000 The thing with me is, I knew I was going to come back.

00:17:05.000 And also, I always like to train and keep myself in shape.

00:17:08.000 And I never did drugs.

00:17:10.000 You know, like I never did other drugs.

00:17:12.000 I drink.

00:17:13.000 I drink.

00:17:14.000 Sometimes for my birthday, last Saturday, I went out and I was completely wasted.

00:17:17.000 It is what it is.

00:17:19.000 I like to deteriorate myself sometimes.

00:17:21.000 I'm not perfect.

00:17:22.000 Just have a little fun.

00:17:22.000 Exactly!

00:17:23.000 And what's the goal of doing this if you're not enjoying your life?

00:17:27.000 What's the goal of it?

00:17:28.000 You know, people to fight, you say, no, I don't like to fight.

00:17:31.000 And that is another thing I like to talk to you about.

00:17:34.000 People say, why you do that if you don't like to fight?

00:17:37.000 It's like, because I like my lifestyle, you know, that it gives me.

00:17:40.000 But that's why people, I believe, if we come back to what you say, That's why I think people, they have a hard time to come back after so many years because they fall into that trap.

00:17:49.000 They need to feel alive so they find ways to make them feel alive but it's...

00:17:57.000 Deteriorate.

00:17:58.000 Deteriorate themselves.

00:17:59.000 And I didn't do that.

00:18:01.000 I did not do that.

00:18:02.000 And I would never will, hopefully.

00:18:04.000 It's not my thing.

00:18:06.000 So when you decided to come back, how far out did you decide?

00:18:10.000 You took four years off.

00:18:13.000 How many years in were you like, I think I'm ready to come back?

00:18:18.000 When I see USDA and the drug testing program being implemented, then I saw a lot of people deflate.

00:18:30.000 Did you feel vindicated when you saw some of these people just...

00:18:36.000 I feel a little bit of a...

00:18:37.000 I mean, it feels bad to wish people bad luck to get some kind of recognition, but that's not what I want to do.

00:18:44.000 I don't wish people bad luck, but if you cheat, you cheat, man.

00:18:47.000 And a lot of people got caught.

00:18:49.000 And finally, a lot of people in the beginning, including my own friend, they think, like, I was talking to some of my own friends, and they say, oh, you're paranoid.

00:18:57.000 You become paranoid.

00:18:58.000 You need to take a break. 0.70

00:19:00.000 You're going crazy.

00:19:01.000 Just... 0.98

00:19:02.000 Retire, get out. 1.00

00:19:04.000 You're paranoid.

00:19:05.000 Because I was talking about it a long time before Hendrix.

00:19:08.000 And everybody was disregarding me.

00:19:10.000 But now when it happened, a lot of the champions fell.

00:19:13.000 And a lot of the heroes in the sport...

00:19:17.000 They get pointed out with the fingers, hey, he's a cheater.

00:19:20.000 So now it becomes real.

00:19:22.000 So when I saw that happen, it was for me a beginning to start and now it's time to come back.

00:19:29.000 Because I'm a guy of a...

00:19:33.000 If I said something, I'm going to do it.

00:19:36.000 I don't want to come back when the sport was dirty.

00:19:38.000 That's one of my things.

00:19:41.000 So when I decided to come back, I had a big talk with one of my trainers, John Denard and Firas.

00:19:47.000 They're my two main guys.

00:19:49.000 They're like my friend, my brother with me.

00:19:52.000 I'm undefeated with these two guys.

00:19:56.000 I need them when I fight.

00:19:57.000 That's some serious knowledge between those two men.

00:20:00.000 They mix together, it's crazy.

00:20:02.000 They're two different persons, very different.

00:20:04.000 They both have...

00:20:06.000 They both studied philosophy.

00:20:10.000 They're very interesting people for me to talk with because they have two different...

00:20:17.000 Mentalities. 0.94

00:20:17.000 You know, they see the world in different ways. 0.94

00:20:20.000 So I like to have both of their expertise.

00:20:24.000 And so John, he told me, he said, listen, he said, you always have three big criticizes when you were fighting.

00:20:32.000 Just never went up of a weight class.

00:20:37.000 People say that you're kind of boring.

00:20:39.000 You're too much cerebral, technical.

00:20:41.000 You don't want to take unnecessary risks, which make the fight boring.

00:20:46.000 And also, you don't finish your opponent.

00:20:48.000 That was one of my big criticizes.

00:20:52.000 I decided to come back and we changed the way I was training.

00:20:56.000 Because the way you train reflects the way you fight.

00:21:00.000 You know, people say, oh, I'm not going to train too hard.

00:21:03.000 I'm going to do this in training.

00:21:05.000 But when it's time to fight, I'm going to step up.

00:21:06.000 There is no step up.

00:21:07.000 You're just going to do what...

00:21:10.000 What you did every day.

00:21:12.000 So I decided to change a few things.

00:21:15.000 And to correct those three things.

00:21:17.000 And that's what happened.

00:21:18.000 I'm happy it worked out well.

00:21:21.000 But that was my goal.

00:21:22.000 I wanted to come back for something that excites me.

00:21:24.000 Something that was different.

00:21:26.000 Something that was unique and rare.

00:21:30.000 And I didn't want to come back to do the same thing I was doing before.

00:21:34.000 And that's why I decided to come back.

00:21:36.000 When you came back...

00:21:38.000 First of all, you came back, you fought a very tough guy, right?

00:21:41.000 You fought a big Michael Bisping at 185 pounds.

00:21:44.000 But what was impressive to me is, like, you didn't look like you were gone.

00:21:48.000 Like, right away, it felt like you felt right back into the groove again.

00:21:53.000 You didn't look out of place.

00:21:54.000 You didn't look uncomfortable.

00:21:57.000 You were showing things, especially different things with your kicking and your movement that we hadn't seen from you before.

00:22:03.000 It looked like you had improved.

00:22:06.000 I was tested in the training.

00:22:09.000 Even Ferraz, some of the guys, Ferraz went to tell them, he whispered to them, if you knock out George and Sparring, I'll give you money.

00:22:17.000 Really?

00:22:18.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

00:22:19.000 He's crazy. 0.99

00:22:20.000 Ferris is crazy. 0.91

00:22:21.000 Ferris is my worst enemy in training sometimes, you know? 0.76

00:22:24.000 He tells people, hey, if you beat George, if you hurt George, I'm gonna glorify you, you know?

00:22:30.000 I'm gonna talk about you, you know?

00:22:33.000 We're gonna be happy.

00:22:34.000 That's the opposite of what a lot of people think a training camp should be for a champion.

00:22:38.000 It depends what kind of, you know, we don't train like this every day, but for my heart sparring, when I'm training for a fight, I have two days.

00:22:47.000 For my last training camp, I had two days that it was like hard sparring.

00:22:50.000 We called it shoot box fight, shoot box fighting, which we put the big gloves, the shin pad, and his feet to floor.

00:22:59.000 Once we touch the floor, we stop and we go back up.

00:23:03.000 And that was the area of expertise where Bisping was the most competent, the striking department.

00:23:11.000 He's going on the floor, so I... I was bringing in a lot of good guys for sparring with me in that particular training.

00:23:21.000 It's hard to find someone that is exactly like the guy you're going to fight, but you can find a guy that does things better than him in a particular area.

00:23:32.000 I cannot find a replica of Michael Bisping, who's complete as much as Michael Bisping, but I can find a guy, for example, at a...

00:23:40.000 A guy coming from Spain, his name is Cesar.

00:23:42.000 He's a K1 fighter.

00:23:44.000 And he's a big guy.

00:23:45.000 He's like 205 pounds.

00:23:46.000 And he's big and he's a very, very good kickboxer.

00:23:49.000 So I had him during my training camp.

00:23:50.000 I flew him from Spain.

00:23:52.000 I had a different bunch of guys that I was training with.

00:23:56.000 And all these guys that I was training with, they are not like Michael Bisping, but in a certain area...

00:24:03.000 That I was training with them.

00:24:04.000 It could be grappling or shoot box or a different area.

00:24:11.000 They could be just as good or maybe better than Michael Bisping.

00:24:15.000 So that's how I do my training camp.

00:24:17.000 You know, I remember when you brought...

00:24:20.000 How do you say his last name?

00:24:21.000 Skarboski So Charles Skarboski Yeah, when you When you brought him to work with you on the ultimate fighter and he would be partying all night Drunk and show up at the gym the next day and still fuck everybody up.

00:24:38.000 Yeah Did that guy influence your idea about just being more relaxed in training and just not worrying about it as much?

00:24:50.000 Yeah, but it's a totally different extreme.

00:24:55.000 I don't believe in that extreme.

00:24:58.000 But Jean-Charles, I remember the producer of the show, The Ultimate Fighter, when he was supposed to stay one week, and when he was about to stay, the producer was telling me, hey, can we keep him for the rest of the show?

00:25:11.000 Because it was good TV. So I'm like, I don't know, I'm going to ask him.

00:25:15.000 And at the same time, A lot of the people on my team, they were like, man, okay, that's enough.

00:25:20.000 Now we got what we need.

00:25:22.000 And I was like, yeah, I like him, but he's kind of, you know, I need to kind of babysit him at the same time.

00:25:29.000 The knowledge that this guy had, and he...

00:25:33.000 What he gave us was just a big edge, you know?

00:25:38.000 But yeah, Charlie's a different extreme, Joe.

00:25:41.000 I think there is a center line that you need to keep, you know?

00:25:46.000 That's what I believe.

00:25:47.000 I believe in life.

00:25:47.000 It's not white.

00:25:48.000 It's not black. 0.98

00:25:49.000 It's always gray.

00:25:51.000 There's middle zone for everything, I believe.

00:25:53.000 Yeah, no, I think you're right about that.

00:25:55.000 So when you have a camp and you set up a camp and you have Donaher and Feras, are they the architects of the whole camp?

00:26:03.000 Do they get together and try to figure out what you're doing and when you're doing it?

00:26:08.000 Is Feras the guy who handles more of the striking aspects of it or putting the grappling and the striking together?

00:26:14.000 I am a little bit...

00:26:16.000 The head guy, in a way.

00:26:18.000 I believe as a fighter, you need to be the head guy.

00:26:20.000 You're the maestro.

00:26:22.000 You have the people that work with you.

00:26:26.000 But you need to know how to use these people good.

00:26:30.000 For instance, I don't know nothing about business, but I have agents that are there to negotiate fight.

00:26:36.000 They know his number.

00:26:38.000 They know about investment.

00:26:39.000 I have another guy who knows about fiscality.

00:26:42.000 He's a lawyer and he's good for a tax report.

00:26:46.000 I don't know nothing, but I know how to get the good people to help me for that particular thing.

00:26:51.000 So Ferraz and John, for me, are the most competent people that I can have to help me going to fight someone.

00:26:59.000 Because John, especially in the grappling area, but John is not only in grappling.

00:27:06.000 The difference with John and Ferraz that makes them very unique as trainers.

00:27:11.000 They're not really only trainers, they're teachers.

00:27:14.000 And I would say the same thing about Freddie Roach.

00:27:16.000 Same thing about Freddie Roach.

00:27:17.000 They're not only trainers, they're teachers.

00:27:19.000 The way I structure my training camp, there is like a pyramid.

00:27:24.000 The first layer, the foundation is physical.

00:27:34.000 Are you in shape?

00:27:36.000 How's your VO2 max?

00:27:38.000 Are you in shape?

00:27:39.000 Are you in good condition?

00:27:40.000 No injuries?

00:27:41.000 Athletism.

00:27:42.000 Are you an athlete?

00:27:42.000 Are you a good athlete?

00:27:44.000 This is the physical layer.

00:27:46.000 This is the wider one.

00:27:47.000 That's the bottom one.

00:27:48.000 It's like a pyramid.

00:27:49.000 Then it goes up one layer.

00:27:51.000 The technical layer.

00:27:53.000 Do you know what to do with your knowledge?

00:27:55.000 Do you know a number?

00:27:57.000 Defense to a triangle choke?

00:27:58.000 How to counter a jab?

00:28:00.000 How do you...

00:28:02.000 You know, technical aspect, in terms of knowledge of fighting.

00:28:05.000 That's where the trainer comes into play also.

00:28:08.000 The physical, the technical.

00:28:11.000 And a lot of the trainer, they don't have...

00:28:14.000 The last layer.

00:28:15.000 Or they only have one of those, or two of those, but they don't have the three layers.

00:28:20.000 That's where Ferraz, John, and also, I would say, Freddie in boxing comes into play.

00:28:26.000 But in MMA, especially Ferraz and John, the tactical layer, which is the last one, that's what separates contenders and champions.

00:28:35.000 There's the physical, the technical, and the tactical.

00:28:39.000 Let's say we're equal.

00:28:42.000 We're the same person.

00:28:43.000 What's gonna make the difference between me winning against you or you winning against me is the tactical.

00:28:48.000 Because we're the same person.

00:28:49.000 We're a complete replica.

00:28:51.000 We're a clone.

00:28:53.000 The difference is the tactical.

00:28:55.000 I will know where I can take you out of your comfort zone and I can bring the fight where I'm the strongest and fight you to eliminate the odds where the fight will slope the odds of me winning to my advantage.

00:29:13.000 That's where John and Ferraz are master at this and Freddie Roach is master at this in boxing.

00:29:18.000 That's why I'm so...

00:29:20.000 I feel very lucky to have these guys with me in my corner.

00:29:27.000 Because they're competent in these three layers.

00:29:31.000 Physical, technical, and tactical.

00:29:35.000 Which most trainers can have only one, two, or they don't have three.

00:29:39.000 It's very rare to find three trainers who can do these three things.

00:29:44.000 So when you get to the tactical layer, is this something that you all agree on?

00:29:49.000 Do you discuss it?

00:29:50.000 When you're approaching a fight, like say Michael Bisping, how do you do it?

00:29:56.000 You say, this is what I see in his fights, and then Feroz gives his input, and John gives his input, and then Freddy gives his input, and you start discussing what's the best way to handle it?

00:30:06.000 So coming into that fight with Michael Bisping, Michael Bisping was very well prepared.

00:30:10.000 He has a very good team with Jason Parello.

00:30:15.000 So we were expecting...

00:30:17.000 You always have to gauge also to know you and to know your opponent.

00:30:23.000 Sometimes knowing your opponent is easier than to know yourself.

00:30:28.000 So you have to be realistic about your strengths and weaknesses and how you're going to match up against your opponent.

00:30:37.000 With Michael Bisping, what messed me up a little bit, and all of us, is we were expecting Michael Bisping to come straight at me, try to take me out right away.

00:30:49.000 Instead of that, he was moving, especially more in the second round.

00:30:53.000 So the first round, I was doing well, but in the second round, he started moving away and being more...

00:31:01.000 Instead of coming at me, it was more trying to run away from me.

00:31:05.000 And that's why a lot of people, they said to me, man, because I lost the second round against Michael Bisping.

00:31:11.000 And people was like, man, what happened to you?

00:31:13.000 It seems like you slowed down a little bit.

00:31:16.000 It's only that I slowed down.

00:31:17.000 It's also I got hit with a very strong right hand, right on the bottom by a guy who maybe outweighed me 20 pounds, you know?

00:31:25.000 So...

00:31:26.000 It slows a man down.

00:31:27.000 My cardio was bad.

00:31:30.000 My cardio was fine, but we get punched on the bottom.

00:31:33.000 It slows a man down.

00:31:34.000 And he caught me off guard.

00:31:35.000 He changed his strategy from round one to round two.

00:31:38.000 He became more like...

00:31:39.000 He was more like a runner instead of a hunter kind of guy.

00:31:44.000 And so he caught you with a counter shot?

00:31:45.000 What he did is very smart.

00:31:47.000 He couldn't get to me...

00:31:48.000 If you look at the replay of the fight...

00:31:50.000 With Michael Bisping, he couldn't get to me straight to my head.

00:31:53.000 He was trying to hit me with his jab, with his strike.

00:31:55.000 He tried to target my head, but I was too fast for him.

00:31:58.000 So I don't know if it was his trainer or him who decided to change.

00:32:01.000 So he decided to be like a runner.

00:32:04.000 So I decided to try to chase him a little bit more.

00:32:07.000 And what happened to me, he jabbed my lead hand.

00:32:12.000 Which square me, and then he connect me straight on the chin.

00:32:17.000 At the same time, I was trying to throw a leg kick.

00:32:20.000 So it was a perfect timing, beautiful execution, and I don't know if he practiced that, but it was very well done, very smart.

00:32:27.000 So if I tried to target my head, he jabbed my hand and hit me with the rear hand.

00:32:34.000 And that's why it hurt me.

00:32:35.000 It hurt me.

00:32:36.000 I tried to put a poker face on during that fight, but it hurt me.

00:32:39.000 It's one of the strikes that hurt me the most.

00:32:40.000 Even though Michael Bisping is not known as a knockout guy, this shot really hurt me because the precision was...

00:32:47.000 The timing was good.

00:32:48.000 Yeah, I've never understood why people don't think he hits hard.

00:32:50.000 I mean, look what he did to Rockhold.

00:32:51.000 Nah. 1.00

00:32:51.000 He hits fucking hard. 1.00

00:32:53.000 I think it's... 0.99

00:32:54.000 What hurts someone in a fight, I mean, what can put away someone is not necessarily the power, but it's more precision than timing.

00:33:01.000 And that particular right hand was perfectly timed and with great precision.

00:33:06.000 So that's why I got hurt.

00:33:08.000 And you win the second round.

00:33:09.000 Then I had to make adjustments for the third round.

00:33:11.000 That's when Freddie, John, and Ferraz come into play.

00:33:16.000 They saw what he was doing and they say after the right hand just slip and come with the hook over the top and the right hand that's what I did and then knock him down and but in a fight Whatever your trainer tells you, if you didn't practice it, it's not going to work.

00:33:36.000 I mean, you don't have time to think.

00:33:38.000 It's autopilot.

00:33:40.000 Yeah.

00:33:40.000 So I was on autopilot.

00:33:42.000 Sometimes you just need some kind of guidance that put your autopilot in the right direction.

00:33:49.000 And that's what happened into that fight.

00:33:51.000 A reminder.

00:33:52.000 Yes, a little reminder.

00:33:53.000 Hey...

00:33:54.000 We're not going this way, we're going this way.

00:33:56.000 Then it's still the autopilot, but it's different direction.

00:34:01.000 The crazy thing about Mike is that he has very poor vision in his right eye.

00:34:09.000 A lot of people might not know about it, but in the Vitor Belfort fight, he damaged his retina very badly.

00:34:15.000 He's had several surgeries and he's got oil.

00:34:18.000 In his eye that's sort of like protecting it, and he'll have it fixed once he's done fighting.

00:34:23.000 But, you know, if you look at him, one of his eyes is darker than the other eye.

00:34:27.000 And that's that right eye.

00:34:29.000 And did you particularly target things going to that right side, like things off of your left side?

00:34:35.000 Yeah, it's a lot of things that we drilled on with the left hook.

00:34:39.000 That's why, like, when I hit him with the left hook, that was a lot of...

00:34:43.000 Because he felt he would have a harder time seeing things coming out of his vision was more blurry.

00:34:47.000 He does, but the thing is with Michael is he adjusts himself very well to this, you know?

00:34:52.000 Like, it's like he knows it and probably knows it himself, but the way he fights, he adjusts it very well.

00:34:58.000 You know, he puts himself in a position that he cannot get hit Often with this, you know, especially in my fight.

00:35:04.000 So I needed almost to wait for him to commit with the right hand to come over the top.

00:35:09.000 And if you look at the fight with Kevin Gastelum, it's the same thing.

00:35:11.000 He missed with the right hand and then he got countered.

00:35:14.000 It's always when he missed with the right hand that he got countered.

00:35:17.000 The Kelvin fight, I think, was a mistake.

00:35:19.000 It was a mistake because he was not prepared for this.

00:35:22.000 He didn't...

00:35:23.000 Well, it's also he just got off of a crazy fight with you.

00:35:26.000 It was bad.

00:35:26.000 I think it was a bad mistake for his part.

00:35:28.000 But look, to his credit, he tried to do something that I do try to do all the time.

00:35:35.000 He tried to do something unique and very special.

00:35:39.000 And if he would have win, we would not have this discussion.

00:35:42.000 We would be saying, like, man, what a comeback!

00:35:45.000 It's unbelievable!

00:35:46.000 He lose a title, come back straight to fight Kelvin Gastelum.

00:35:50.000 That's amazing!

00:35:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:35:52.000 Yeah.

00:35:52.000 He took a risk, man, and I can't blame him for this.

00:35:56.000 I took a risk myself, too.

00:35:58.000 It's just sometimes you roll the dice, you know, and you expect things to go your way, and it didn't go his way.

00:36:03.000 I felt bad, but it is what it is.

00:36:06.000 Even he said that when he came out to that fight, the Kelvin Gaston fight, he just didn't feel there.

00:36:12.000 Of course he didn't feel there because he didn't have the time to prepare for this.

00:36:16.000 Like I said...

00:36:17.000 You're not going to go into a fight and improvise everything.

00:36:21.000 You're going to do the same thing you've been doing in training.

00:36:23.000 What have you been doing in training?

00:36:24.000 You didn't have enough time to prepare for that particular type of body, that particular type of...

00:36:30.000 Like I said, physical...

00:36:32.000 Technical and tactical, which is the most important one.

00:36:36.000 He didn't have the tactical preparation.

00:36:40.000 Physical was not probably 100% as well.

00:36:44.000 And the technical is there because it's his brain, but, you know, it's like he didn't program his autopilot to react to a certain situation that Kelvin will give him.

00:36:55.000 He's a lefty, shorter, stockier, you know, different style than me.

00:36:59.000 Completely different.

00:37:00.000 It's like you couldn't have a different, a most different style than me than this guy.

00:37:06.000 But he won the title that way.

00:37:08.000 He won the title on 11 days notice.

00:37:10.000 I agree.

00:37:11.000 It worked for him in the past.

00:37:13.000 It worked for him in the past, but he didn't get knocked down or choked out before he fought Rock O. That messed up your recuperation too, you know what I mean?

00:37:23.000 He was fresh probably.

00:37:24.000 I don't know.

00:37:24.000 Maybe he wasn't.

00:37:25.000 I don't know personally what he was doing.

00:37:28.000 How many weeks later was it?

00:37:31.000 He was not, like, maybe not even a month or something like that.

00:37:35.000 He would not have been clear to fight if he would have been in America.

00:37:39.000 I don't think he would have been clear to fight.

00:37:41.000 I think he would not have been clear to fight.

00:37:43.000 I think he was suspended, I think.

00:37:45.000 I don't think so.

00:37:47.000 I think so.

00:37:48.000 I think because it was in China.

00:37:51.000 Three weeks.

00:37:53.000 Wow.

00:37:53.000 Three weeks.

00:37:54.000 Yeah, man.

00:37:55.000 Yeah, that seems pretty close.

00:37:56.000 Yeah.

00:37:57.000 Yeah, because you hurt him with that left hook and then you choked him unconscious.

00:38:00.000 If it would be me, maybe I'm not as courageous as Michael Bisping, I would not take the fight.

00:38:05.000 Even me, if I win the fight with Michael Bisping, I would not take the fight.

00:38:08.000 Is that the word, though?

00:38:09.000 Courageous?

00:38:10.000 You're a pretty courageous guy.

00:38:11.000 Is it courageous or is it tactical?

00:38:13.000 Yeah, tactical.

00:38:14.000 I would not have taken that risk.

00:38:16.000 But I'm not in his shoes.

00:38:18.000 I don't know his environment.

00:38:20.000 Maybe he would have...

00:38:21.000 That toughness has paid off for him, though. 0.99

00:38:23.000 I mean, he's one of the toughest fucking guys in the sport. 0.98

00:38:26.000 He always has been. 0.99

00:38:27.000 And that toughness is the reason why. 1.00

00:38:29.000 He's like, fuck it all, fight again! 1.00

00:38:31.000 Let's do it! 1.00

00:38:32.000 He's just a fucking animal. 1.00

00:38:33.000 He's a... 1.00

00:38:35.000 He's a great example of hard work and perseverance.

00:38:41.000 When you say everything is possible, it is.

00:38:44.000 He's an unbelievable fighter, this guy.

00:38:50.000 He's courageous.

00:38:52.000 What I like about him, too, he stands for the same thing that I stand for, against performance enhancing drug.

00:38:58.000 I think it's very important for me.

00:39:00.000 For me, it was an honor fighting him.

00:39:03.000 It was like...

00:39:05.000 A lot of guys he lost to, these guys that have been caught on performance enhancing drugs, and he's very open.

00:39:12.000 He talks about it all the time.

00:39:14.000 I think he's a great model for the sport.

00:39:17.000 Yeah, I know.

00:39:18.000 I agree.

00:39:19.000 And a great model for just an example of how you can achieve great things if you work hard.

00:39:25.000 And that's what he's done.

00:39:26.000 He's one of the guys that...

00:39:28.000 Like, I hate him when I was in training camp, but I loved him as well at the same time.

00:39:34.000 I remember at one point we were in a conference in Toronto, and that is an hilarious story.

00:39:42.000 After the conference, we go by the back door of a mall, and I don't know if it was staged or not.

00:39:52.000 If it was staged, I was not aware of it.

00:39:55.000 So there's a camera.

00:39:57.000 I think it was TMZ or something.

00:39:59.000 It was a camera that followed us.

00:40:00.000 So there's kids following us.

00:40:02.000 They're about to ask me to take pictures.

00:40:05.000 And then I see a camera coming towards me.

00:40:08.000 And then I see Michael.

00:40:09.000 That's after the conference.

00:40:12.000 And Michael says to me, he's like, Don't you F put your hand on me again because na-na-na-na-na.

00:40:18.000 Then I look in his face and I'm like, what?

00:40:22.000 I'm like, you don't put your hand on me again.

00:40:23.000 And then he creates kind of a buzz for the fight and we start to shout at each other and kind of almost boost each other and then Jason Perulo comes, boys!

00:40:33.000 Leave it for the fight, boy.

00:40:35.000 But it's not staged.

00:40:37.000 It's true.

00:40:38.000 And I'm like, man, what the hell is he doing there?

00:40:40.000 But then after I realized it, it was on TMZ. There was a camera there.

00:40:44.000 Then the kids who came to ask me for an autograph, they kind of get intimidating.

00:40:51.000 They were like...

00:40:52.000 They went back.

00:40:54.000 Then I turned around and said, it's okay.

00:40:56.000 It's finished.

00:40:56.000 Now you can come.

00:40:57.000 And I go...

00:40:58.000 When they went back to their apartment, I'm like, oh, God, what it is, what it is, you know?

00:41:02.000 But that was probably the best promotion of the whole fight, like that particular incident, you know what I mean?

00:41:08.000 So I hate him, and I love him the same way.

00:41:11.000 Michael is kind of a guy that is a pro at boosting the anticipation for a fight.

00:41:20.000 You want to hate him, but...

00:41:22.000 You kind of love him in the same way for the human being that he is, you know? 1.00

00:41:26.000 No, he's great at talking shit, for sure. 1.00

00:41:28.000 That is a big thing these days. 1.00

00:41:30.000 I mean, especially after Conor.

00:41:32.000 Conor McGregor has kind of changed the sport in a lot of ways. 0.99

00:41:36.000 That shit-talking is a huge factor now. 0.98

00:41:39.000 It is, but sometimes you don't know when it's real or when it's not because it's not part of my personality. 0.99

00:41:44.000 Same thing at the ESPN in Boston.

00:41:48.000 Same thing, we do an interview, we go back and forth, blah, blah, blah, blah, kind of almost insulting each other, so to speak.

00:41:57.000 Then the UFC does everything to separate us from one of each other.

00:42:01.000 I'm like, I don't know if it's real or not.

00:42:02.000 I don't even know if he's trying to push me.

00:42:04.000 I'm going to push him back because I feel threatening.

00:42:06.000 So you don't know if it's hype or if he's really ready to fight?

00:42:09.000 I don't know myself.

00:42:10.000 Because I'm not an instigator.

00:42:11.000 I don't like confrontation.

00:42:12.000 But it is what it is.

00:42:13.000 So I go to the bathroom in between.

00:42:16.000 Who comes next to the bathroom with us? 0.97

00:42:19.000 It's Michael Biss.

00:42:20.000 Then it's the camera that follows us in the bathroom.

00:42:24.000 We're taking a piss next to each other.

00:42:26.000 We're like this.

00:42:27.000 Then I turn around and see Michael Biss. 0.99

00:42:28.000 I'm like, holy shit. 0.99

00:42:29.000 Then the camera, then he tell the camera to F out. 0.99

00:42:32.000 He's like, get out!

00:42:33.000 Then the camera goes out.

00:42:34.000 Then he look at me, look at me.

00:42:36.000 Then he start laughing.

00:42:37.000 Then I start laughing.

00:42:39.000 Then I told him, I said, hey, you got a Range Rover?

00:42:43.000 He's like, yeah.

00:42:45.000 But now he's in the garage.

00:42:46.000 I'm like, yeah, you need to get rid of it because after a while it started breaking down.

00:42:51.000 He's like, yeah, I know.

00:42:52.000 Okay, game face.

00:42:53.000 See you later.

00:42:56.000 How do you want to hate a guy like this?

00:42:59.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:00.000 That's hilarious.

00:43:01.000 But I hate him because when we insult each other, we say real insult and real things that we think about each other.

00:43:07.000 But in a way, we have the respect.

00:43:10.000 So that relationship that I have with Bisping was very unique.

00:43:16.000 I didn't have the same relationship with Diaz, for example.

00:43:19.000 Diaz, I didn't know if I meet him even in the street today.

00:43:22.000 Maybe he hates my guts.

00:43:24.000 I don't know what he's going to do.

00:43:25.000 I don't know if he wanted to fight me.

00:43:27.000 He might really want to fight you.

00:43:29.000 He's not a hype guy.

00:43:31.000 No, I think he takes it personal. 0.98

00:43:34.000 Man, it's a freaking sport, man. 0.97

00:43:37.000 It's more to life than what it is. 0.98

00:43:40.000 People say, oh, fighting is my...

00:43:41.000 No, man, fighting is not my life, man.

00:43:43.000 My life is my family, man.

00:43:45.000 It's my friend, the people I love.

00:43:48.000 This is what I do in my life.

00:43:50.000 It's not my life.

00:43:51.000 Fighting is over.

00:43:53.000 It's over.

00:43:53.000 I turn around and do something else.

00:43:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:56.000 It's what I do in my life.

00:43:57.000 It's not my life.

00:43:59.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:59.000 It's not the end of the world, man.

00:44:01.000 There's more to life than fighting.

00:44:03.000 It's funny hearing that from you, because you would expect to hear that from someone who isn't considered one of the greatest of all time.

00:44:11.000 But you're considered one of the greatest of all time, so it would be very hard to argue your approach, because it's been so successful.

00:44:19.000 But people think they have to be super obsessed.

00:44:23.000 I'm super obsessed, Joe, but that's why I become crazy and I stopped for four years.

00:44:28.000 Then when I came back, some of my circuits in the brain...

00:44:32.000 Then I started to analyze myself.

00:44:36.000 I'm like, why I become crazy?

00:44:37.000 Why did I stop?

00:44:38.000 Because I'm taking this stuff too seriously, man.

00:44:41.000 You have to take it for what it is, you know?

00:44:44.000 It's a world championship fight.

00:44:46.000 I was fighting Michael Bisping.

00:44:47.000 After four years, people, oh my God!

00:44:50.000 The fights are promoted on drama.

00:44:53.000 And like John said, John Danar, he says, fights are not won on drama.

00:44:58.000 They're won on mundane things that we do every day.

00:45:03.000 That's how fights are won.

00:45:05.000 How you program your cruise driver, your autopilot to win the fight.

00:45:16.000 That's how you...

00:45:18.000 Me, I see it, I fight like an autopilot.

00:45:21.000 So when I fight, when I prepare myself for a fight, especially for the tactical part, I program like a computer.

00:45:27.000 How I want to react against that specific problem?

00:45:32.000 How I'm gonna take care of that specific problem?

00:45:34.000 The only way to program it is to do repetition, repetition, and repetition, and repetition, and repetition.

00:45:41.000 It's like, you said at one point, Eddie Bravo, he said like, tying up your shoes.

00:45:47.000 Yes.

00:45:48.000 Because we've been doing it so many times, you can talk to someone, the same thing.

00:45:51.000 Yes.

00:45:52.000 When I got into a fight, I analyze again and I'm fighting.

00:45:56.000 And I see what pattern he does the most often.

00:45:59.000 So I want to program my computer to react to that pattern that would give me the advantage into the fight.

00:46:06.000 I don't know when that pattern would occur.

00:46:08.000 But I want to program myself that when it occurs...

00:46:12.000 I have an answer for it right away.

00:46:13.000 I don't have to think about it.

00:46:14.000 I don't think.

00:46:15.000 I just react.

00:46:17.000 And that's my problem when I used to fight.

00:46:18.000 And I got a lot of criticism before I was thinking too much.

00:46:21.000 Towards the end of my career, I had so much pressure.

00:46:24.000 I didn't perform as well as I was earlier.

00:46:27.000 Especially my last fight before I stopped for the four years.

00:46:30.000 I was thinking too much.

00:46:31.000 Overthinking.

00:46:32.000 Putting too much pressure.

00:46:34.000 Like you said, it's too serious.

00:46:35.000 You have to take it for what it is.

00:46:37.000 It's only a fight.

00:46:39.000 In 10 years...

00:46:40.000 You know, it sucks if you lose, but man, it is what it is, you know what I mean?

00:46:45.000 Don't make it bigger than what it is.

00:46:48.000 It's only a fight, and sometimes it's something very therapeutic that I like to do before a fight.

00:46:55.000 I drive a car.

00:46:57.000 When I fight in Vegas, for example, I drive a car or New York, something.

00:47:02.000 I drive a car.

00:47:03.000 When I used to fight in Vegas, before my fights, I used to be very, very stressed.

00:47:06.000 One of the very therapeutic things that I like to do is drive my car around.

00:47:12.000 And see normal people.

00:47:14.000 I can explain to you.

00:47:17.000 I drive and I see an old lady with her grocery store bag. 1.00

00:47:21.000 And I'm thinking, she doesn't care if I win the fight Saturday or not.

00:47:25.000 She's not even going to hear about it.

00:47:27.000 Then I look, oh, it's another guy yelling to another guy because of whatever problem.

00:47:32.000 Oh, this guy is going to the bank to pay his money.

00:47:35.000 It's mortgage stuff.

00:47:36.000 They don't care.

00:47:38.000 They don't care, you know?

00:47:39.000 The effect that I have on the universe is so freaking small.

00:47:44.000 Nobody cares.

00:47:45.000 I'm the only one putting the pressure on me.

00:47:47.000 Nobody gives a damn about it.

00:47:49.000 So that's why they helped me to perform now.

00:47:52.000 That's how some younger guys, they say, yeah, I'm nervous.

00:47:55.000 How do...

00:47:56.000 I heard you don't sleep well the night before.

00:47:58.000 I said, yeah, it's true, I don't sleep well.

00:48:00.000 I said, what is your trick?

00:48:01.000 How do you find a way to sleep well?

00:48:02.000 I was like, I don't really sleep well either nowadays.

00:48:05.000 I said, but how do you feel better about it?

00:48:07.000 I just know that I'm not going to sleep well and it's not going to affect the outcome of the competition.

00:48:11.000 It's just a normal thing.

00:48:13.000 You learn how to deal with it better.

00:48:15.000 You're not going to change it.

00:48:16.000 You just accept it.

00:48:18.000 The stress is your friend, man, that's going to make you react, that's going to be on the edge.

00:48:23.000 Have you ever slept well before a fight?

00:48:25.000 Never.

00:48:25.000 Only one time.

00:48:27.000 Which fight?

00:48:27.000 When I fought Matt Serra.

00:48:29.000 And I got knocked out.

00:48:33.000 And then after that knocked out, I got so scared that it happened again.

00:48:38.000 It's the most humiliating day of my career.

00:48:42.000 I was so angry.

00:48:44.000 Like I said, I was putting too much on myself.

00:48:47.000 It started there.

00:48:48.000 It's like, I didn't even want to go to buy eggs at the grocery store because people, they look, you got knocked out.

00:48:55.000 I thought everybody cares about me.

00:48:58.000 Nobody cares about you.

00:49:00.000 Nobody cares.

00:49:01.000 It's only a small percentage of population.

00:49:05.000 Nobody gives a damn.

00:49:06.000 And even if they do, what?

00:49:08.000 You make a mistake.

00:49:09.000 You zig when you should have zagged and you get clipped.

00:49:11.000 So what?

00:49:12.000 Everybody make mistakes.

00:49:14.000 You have to take fight like it is.

00:49:16.000 You know, it's a sporting event.

00:49:18.000 That's why I don't take it personally.

00:49:20.000 Like when I have the problem with the diaspora, no problem. 1.00

00:49:22.000 And that fight is not personal for me.

00:49:25.000 You're in my life now.

00:49:27.000 You won't be there in 10 years, maybe.

00:49:29.000 Maybe you will.

00:49:30.000 Who knows?

00:49:31.000 It's only like a chunk of life that we share together.

00:49:34.000 And then after he's gone, no problem with that.

00:49:37.000 That's definitely a better attitude to look at it that way.

00:49:39.000 Yeah, man.

00:49:39.000 That's what it is.

00:49:40.000 That's how an athlete, they should think, you know?

00:49:43.000 That knowledge that I have is with years and years of competition, you know?

00:49:49.000 The problem I have, the colitis and all that, that's because of that BS that I got it.

00:49:54.000 Like putting too much on me.

00:49:55.000 It's normal.

00:49:56.000 If I fight again, it will go back the same pattern.

00:50:00.000 I will be very stressed and it's normal to be stressed, but I will accept it.

00:50:05.000 I accept it better now.

00:50:07.000 Than I used to do when I was younger.

00:50:09.000 Now, after you won the title, there was thoughts of whether or not you would defend it, if you were going to fight Robert Whittaker, like what you were going to do.

00:50:17.000 What caused your decision?

00:50:19.000 What made you decide to relinquish the belt?

00:50:21.000 So, the reason why I relinquished the belt is I want to do some physical tests to see what is the problem with my health condition.

00:50:29.000 Because during the camp, I knew I had a problem, but I didn't know what it was.

00:50:33.000 I knew it was, you know, the blood test and everything for the cancer became negative.

00:50:38.000 So after I went to do, like I said, colonoscopy, it came back that I had an ulcer inside my stomach.

00:50:46.000 Then as a doctor, I say, how long it takes to get rid of this?

00:50:49.000 I say, it's all your life.

00:50:50.000 But the symptom can go up, down, depending on people, whatever they do differently.

00:50:56.000 Then I start researching who's the best doctor, how can I do this?

00:51:00.000 And that's when I start reading about the fasting and stuff.

00:51:04.000 And then I tried it, but...

00:51:08.000 I saw that a lot of, you know, in the sport of MMA, a lot of the guys are starving.

00:51:14.000 They're not rich, you know?

00:51:17.000 I'm lucky now.

00:51:18.000 I have enough money for the rest of my life.

00:51:20.000 I don't need to fight anymore, you know?

00:51:22.000 If I don't do nothing crazy like buying a private airplane and I'm not that kind of person or falling into drugs and stuff.

00:51:29.000 Like, I think I'm good, you know?

00:51:31.000 For me, my family and everything, I think I'm good.

00:51:35.000 However, when I'm looking at the landscape, I see a lot of guys like, for example, Conor McGregor, he holds on to the title for the attention, the sponsors, this and that.

00:51:45.000 And a lot of people do that.

00:51:47.000 They kind of stole the division.

00:51:49.000 And I said to myself, I said, you know, I stand for the fighters.

00:51:53.000 I always did, you know, publicly.

00:51:55.000 I said, well, am I going to keep the title until to see if I feel better or not and defend it?

00:52:01.000 Because I don't even know if my weight was dropping down.

00:52:05.000 I'm not even a 185. I'm more a 170 or a 155. I don't have the size of a 185. So I'm like, I relinquished it right away.

00:52:18.000 You know, I don't want to stall the division and make people wait because of me.

00:52:22.000 The world don't go around me.

00:52:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:25.000 So for the respect, I did it.

00:52:27.000 But I didn't know before the fight I was going to do, it happened like...

00:52:32.000 Like this.

00:52:33.000 People are like, oh yeah, you know.

00:52:35.000 No, I didn't know it was going.

00:52:37.000 I didn't know it was going to have colitis and all that stuff.

00:52:39.000 It came up.

00:52:40.000 I never tried it before.

00:52:41.000 I didn't know what would be the outcome I would feel.

00:52:44.000 I never did it.

00:52:45.000 You know, it was a test and the same thing, but I didn't know.

00:52:48.000 You know, I have a lot of...

00:52:50.000 I'm not a perfect man.

00:52:51.000 Joe has a lot of negative stuff about me, but one thing that I'm not is that I'm not a coward.

00:52:57.000 This I swear.

00:52:57.000 If I say I'm going to do something I'm going to do, I'm not a coward.

00:53:00.000 You know?

00:53:01.000 And every of my fights, every of my fights, I'm scared.

00:53:04.000 I'm scared.

00:53:05.000 I'm terrified.

00:53:07.000 But whatever I feel, I step and I respect my contract and I do it.

00:53:13.000 You know?

00:53:16.000 I didn't know the colitis and all that.

00:53:19.000 It would be illogical right now if I want to go back when I'm ready to go back 185. I'm not 185, you know?

00:53:25.000 Right, right. 1.00

00:53:26.000 It would be a stupid move. 0.98

00:53:27.000 And so, if you're going to fight again, it would be 170 or 155? 0.99

00:53:32.000 Yes.

00:53:33.000 Where are you leaning?

00:53:34.000 Are you leaning towards 55 or 70?

00:53:37.000 I don't know.

00:53:38.000 I want to lean where...

00:53:43.000 You know what?

00:53:46.000 I've climbed the Everest many times.

00:53:49.000 I've climbed it once, I lose to Matthews, then I climb it twice, then I got it, then I lose to Matthews, then I climb it again.

00:53:58.000 I've done it like three times.

00:54:01.000 I'm 37 years old, I just turned 37 a few days ago.

00:54:06.000 I don't have much left.

00:54:08.000 And for what I have left, I want to make the big fight the fight that the fans want to see, they want to enjoy.

00:54:16.000 I also want personally, for me, to achieve something that is unique, that is rare, that maybe that's never been attempted before.

00:54:25.000 That would be something that excites me.

00:54:29.000 I'm not only driven by money.

00:54:33.000 It's good to have money.

00:54:34.000 We like money.

00:54:35.000 It drives us all, including myself.

00:54:38.000 But it's not the unique thing that drives me.

00:54:41.000 It needs to be more than money.

00:54:43.000 It needs to be some kind of achievement that comes with it that would excite me.

00:54:49.000 So, what would that be?

00:54:51.000 That would be a 155 pound title.

00:54:52.000 They offer me Nate Diaz now.

00:54:55.000 Yeah.

00:54:56.000 And it was a rumor.

00:55:00.000 They said it was a done deal.

00:55:01.000 It's not a done deal.

00:55:02.000 It's not on my part.

00:55:03.000 And I don't think it was on Nate Diaz's part as well, because from what I've heard, his brother, Nick, and even Nate says that's his big brother's fight.

00:55:12.000 It's not his fight.

00:55:15.000 Nate Diaz is a...

00:55:18.000 He's an incredible fighter, very well-rounded.

00:55:22.000 However, if you put yourself in my shoes, there's nothing good that can come out of it, except money.

00:55:28.000 And money is not the only thing that drives me.

00:55:31.000 If I beat Nate Diaz decisively, Some people will say...

00:55:37.000 Most people will say, oh, he took an easy fight or whatever. 0.86

00:55:40.000 The criticizer will say, oh, he's a bully.

00:55:45.000 He fought 155 pounds.

00:55:46.000 Yeah, he fought a smaller guy that competed at a smaller...

00:55:49.000 Maybe he's not even smaller than me.

00:55:50.000 Maybe we're about the...

00:55:51.000 Most...

00:55:53.000 A lot of 155 guys are bigger than me right now.

00:55:56.000 Nate's a big guy.

00:55:57.000 He's a big guy.

00:55:58.000 He's about the same size as me, but because I compete at 170 for most of my career...

00:56:02.000 And you won the title at 185. Yes, it will make me look bad.

00:56:05.000 It will make me look like a bully.

00:56:07.000 And this is if I win decisively.

00:56:09.000 For example, if I win...

00:56:11.000 Not decisively. 0.99

00:56:12.000 If I win like it's a war back and forth, people will say, ah, you suck, you cannot even, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:56:17.000 And if I get beat, oh my God, forget it. 0.99

00:56:19.000 For my legacy, it's the end of the world.

00:56:21.000 All the work I put in is finished.

00:56:23.000 And I could have a bad day.

00:56:25.000 Yeah.

00:56:26.000 Something that I discovered, too, during my career is being the strongest man in the world, that was my dream when I was young.

00:56:32.000 That's why I did UFC. I wanted to be the stronger man in the world.

00:56:35.000 And I realized, over the years, it did not exist.

00:56:39.000 You cannot be the stronger man in the world.

00:56:40.000 This is an illusion.

00:56:41.000 I love the younger guy.

00:56:42.000 They say, I'm the baddest man.

00:56:44.000 No, you're not, man.

00:56:45.000 It doesn't exist.

00:56:47.000 You would be a better fighter than this guy in that particular day, at that particular location, at that particular moment.

00:56:56.000 Maybe in an hour, if the fight would occur an hour later, an hour before, or maybe in a different place where the altitude is higher or lower or different scenario, different environment, you will lose that fight.

00:57:08.000 It's always a question of odds.

00:57:10.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:11.000 So being the stronger man in the world, its style makes fight.

00:57:15.000 Maybe we're three guys.

00:57:16.000 I beat you, you beat him, he beat me.

00:57:18.000 Who's the best guy?

00:57:19.000 There's no best guy.

00:57:20.000 Right, that's MMA math, right?

00:57:22.000 It is like this.

00:57:24.000 That's the way to see it.

00:57:25.000 So there is no stronger man in the world.

00:57:27.000 You say, oh, I'm the baddest man on the planet because I'm champion.

00:57:32.000 The belting is an illusion, the belting.

00:57:35.000 The belting is a symbol, but it's an illusion.

00:57:37.000 It doesn't exist.

00:57:38.000 You're not the stronger man in the world.

00:57:40.000 I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but it is what it is.

00:57:44.000 If you ask most experienced fighters, most people will think the same way.

00:57:48.000 Because we realize at one point, like, when we're young because of our confidence or maybe the cockiness or our confidence, Not that it fades, but we see, we have more experience, knowledge.

00:58:02.000 We realize it's all BS. It's not true.

00:58:05.000 So the UFC offered you Nate Diaz.

00:58:07.000 Did you consider it at all?

00:58:09.000 I consider it.

00:58:11.000 I consider it.

00:58:13.000 However, I analyzed it.

00:58:16.000 I talked with Feras, with my trainer and everybody.

00:58:19.000 We were all on the same page on that.

00:58:21.000 It's not worth it.

00:58:23.000 But did the UFC announce it?

00:58:25.000 Did they say that they were working on it?

00:58:26.000 I think they announced it.

00:58:28.000 I'm not sure.

00:58:28.000 I think they said it was a done deal.

00:58:30.000 Look, it's not the first time it happened.

00:58:33.000 They have a business to run the UFC. And their biggest fear...

00:58:38.000 Is someone take the title and run with it.

00:58:41.000 And I've been doing it two times.

00:58:44.000 With Johnny Hendrix and with Michael Bisping.

00:58:48.000 Like, I run.

00:58:49.000 They say I run, but it's for reasons, you know?

00:58:52.000 There's always a reason.

00:58:54.000 And that's their biggest fear.

00:58:57.000 And I understand that.

00:58:59.000 They have a business to run.

00:59:00.000 But it's like WWE. Andre the Giant passed the torch to Hulk Hogan.

00:59:09.000 He passed the torch because it's for the business and he agreed to pass the torch.

00:59:15.000 But the thing in this sport, we're not in WWE. It's my life on the line here.

00:59:22.000 I don't care about the business.

00:59:24.000 I do what is the best for my interest to me.

00:59:27.000 Sure, you have to.

00:59:28.000 I have to.

00:59:28.000 I have to be selfish.

00:59:29.000 And I am selfish.

00:59:30.000 I say it openly.

00:59:33.000 I say it to the fans.

00:59:34.000 I am selfish because it's a sport that I can die, man. 0.66

00:59:39.000 You can die in this sport. 0.88

00:59:40.000 And this is the truth.

00:59:41.000 You can get or maybe not die, but it could create your death now.

00:59:46.000 In the next time to come, in the next year, maybe you get a blow that messed up something in your brain because of a trauma that creates something else.

00:59:54.000 So it's a very serious sport, man.

00:59:56.000 It's not like you play hockey, play baseball, play football, you don't play fighting.

01:00:01.000 So you do it for yourself.

01:00:03.000 You do what is best for yourself.

01:00:05.000 The organization will do what is best for the organization.

01:00:09.000 They're not your friend.

01:00:10.000 Right.

01:00:11.000 So that's why the relation I have with Dana and some of the guys in UFC, it's a very special relationship.

01:00:17.000 Maybe one day we'll sit down and we'll talk about the good old Dana and have a blast, have a laugh.

01:00:21.000 But right now, I'm always on the defensive. 0.99

01:00:24.000 When my phone rings, I see Dana White, like, God damn! 0.99

01:00:28.000 Then I say what I should say, what I should not say, no, no, no, no. 0.98

01:00:32.000 And I'm completely honest about it.

01:00:35.000 It's like some fighters say, no, man, I just... 1.00

01:00:37.000 It's like if you do that, it's because you're an idiot if you do that. 1.00

01:00:41.000 If you just take any fight to get you. 1.00

01:00:42.000 Yeah, oh, yeah, I'll fight.

01:00:43.000 No, man, it doesn't work like that.

01:00:45.000 The ascension to be champion is not a straight line.

01:00:48.000 It's the...

01:00:48.000 Oh, it's an obstacle there.

01:00:50.000 Oh, then you come back.

01:00:52.000 It is what it is.

01:00:54.000 It is what it is.

01:00:55.000 And you need to be surrounded by smart people.

01:00:57.000 And if you don't have smart people, you need to be smart enough to find those people that are competent, that will help you in particular domain that you're not competent to make the job for you and complete.

01:01:08.000 Your circle, you know?

01:01:10.000 Yeah, Dana was saying for a while that you didn't want to fight.

01:01:12.000 He was saying George doesn't want to fight.

01:01:13.000 Yeah, he said before I didn't want to fight before I fought Bisping, you know?

01:01:17.000 He said that a lot.

01:01:18.000 Why do you think he was saying that? 1.00

01:01:19.000 Do you think he was putting pressure on you psychologically, like fucking with your head? 1.00

01:01:22.000 Yeah, so my ego will make me, yeah, okay, I'll show you that I can fight. 1.00

01:01:28.000 Bring me this guy.

01:01:29.000 Right, right.

01:01:30.000 Yeah, that's what it is, man. 0.99

01:01:31.000 It's a freaking game. 0.98

01:01:32.000 It's all a game. 0.99

01:01:33.000 We say it's not a game.

01:01:34.000 It's real now.

01:01:35.000 It's all a game.

01:01:36.000 It's all business.

01:01:36.000 It's all a game.

01:01:38.000 I like Dana.

01:01:40.000 Dana, man, the sport was nowhere.

01:01:43.000 The sport was gone, man.

01:01:45.000 It didn't go nowhere because of Dana.

01:01:47.000 We owe Dana.

01:01:49.000 My living, I owe it to Dana White.

01:01:51.000 When I do the UFC weigh-ins, when I introduce everybody, I point to him, I say, Dana White, without him, none of this would be possible.

01:01:58.000 And you're right.

01:01:59.000 100%.

01:02:00.000 100%.

01:02:00.000 He's the best pound-for-pound promoter of all time.

01:02:04.000 I don't care about Don King, whoever you...

01:02:06.000 Dana White is the best.

01:02:09.000 He's better than all of them.

01:02:09.000 All sport included.

01:02:10.000 I've never seen anything like this.

01:02:12.000 He can...

01:02:12.000 Sell ice to an Eskimo if you want to.

01:02:15.000 He's incredibly good.

01:02:17.000 And he's fun.

01:02:17.000 And he's good at messing up with my head too.

01:02:20.000 Sometimes my ego is like...

01:02:23.000 Like Nate Diaz, because the stuff he said too and the way they try...

01:02:27.000 I don't know if the UFC tried to make him say stuff.

01:02:30.000 Because some fighters are more like pawned on a chess board than others.

01:02:36.000 Me, I'm not.

01:02:37.000 I don't follow.

01:02:38.000 Everything I analyze, I'm thinking.

01:02:40.000 I was like, why did you say that?

01:02:41.000 Why?

01:02:42.000 Okay, that's because...

01:02:43.000 So a lot of stuff has been said in my ego.

01:02:45.000 So I'm like...

01:02:47.000 And I want to say, alright, you think my schedule is too busy? 1.00

01:02:51.000 I'll take that for it and I'll kick your ass. 1.00

01:02:53.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:02:53.000 But I should not do that. 1.00

01:02:55.000 It's a stupid move. 0.99

01:02:56.000 If I start acting like this, I'm... 1.00

01:02:58.000 And a lot of guys, they don't have that self-control and self-discipline in them.

01:03:04.000 It's all a game, man.

01:03:06.000 It's all a game.

01:03:08.000 It's BS. It's all a game, man.

01:03:10.000 It's all a game. 0.99

01:03:11.000 What did Nate say that fucked with you? 0.99

01:03:14.000 Okay, Nate Diaz and Nick are kind of together in a way. 0.99

01:03:18.000 They say that I took steroids when I fought his brother.

01:03:22.000 I messed up my wrap.

01:03:26.000 I didn't make weight.

01:03:30.000 What did he say?

01:03:31.000 Oh yeah, I put something in the IV of his brother.

01:03:33.000 So he said, if I want to take care of that, I don't know, he said it in his own word, like in English slang, like, if you want to take care of this, I'm there.

01:03:43.000 He said someone poisoned him recently.

01:03:46.000 For which fight was that?

01:03:48.000 Was that Anderson Silva?

01:03:49.000 Okay, I gotta confess, Joe.

01:03:51.000 I gotta confess.

01:03:53.000 I gotta confess.

01:03:54.000 Okay.

01:03:56.000 I was so scared during this fight, so we tried to poison.

01:04:02.000 I was so scared of fighting Nick Diaz, so we poisoned his IV. But he survived, so I was even more terrified, you know?

01:04:12.000 All the athletic commission was on my payroll, so they tricked away, and then I made it.

01:04:19.000 And it went through, so I was even more terrified.

01:04:23.000 So the alien abduct me and they put the gamma ray to increase my strength like the Hulk, like a performance enhancing drug.

01:04:34.000 And the fight was still happening.

01:04:36.000 So right before I put some glass and cement in my gloves, make sure.

01:04:43.000 And still I had a crazy hard fight, you know, so I got to confess with Nygma, but it's completely insane, you know?

01:04:50.000 Did he say that was for your fight?

01:04:52.000 He said all that.

01:04:53.000 He said for my fight that I poisoned his IV, that I was on steroids, that my rap was wrong.

01:05:02.000 And he said also, what did he say there?

01:05:04.000 He said, yeah, the way in, like, I didn't make weight, like, I tricked the athletic commission or they were on my...

01:05:15.000 It's just funny.

01:05:16.000 I think he has a problem of conspiration.

01:05:22.000 Conspiracies.

01:05:22.000 You think everybody is against him, you know?

01:05:25.000 Paranoia.

01:05:25.000 Yes, I think that's what it is.

01:05:27.000 That might be the weed.

01:05:29.000 It could be.

01:05:30.000 I don't want to say nothing bad about weed.

01:05:36.000 Weed, like all things, can be good, but also can be bad.

01:05:40.000 Food is good for you.

01:05:41.000 I know you're for the weed stuff.

01:05:43.000 I do enjoy weed.

01:05:44.000 And you're a smart guy.

01:05:46.000 You have a much better argument.

01:05:49.000 I'm for responsible use, though, of everything, including drinking.

01:05:53.000 I like a drink every now and then.

01:05:55.000 I like pot, but I don't think you should smoke it all day.

01:05:59.000 Yeah, but I think that's why it is.

01:06:00.000 I think weed, I don't know if it's weed, but I think it's maybe weed with social environment and genetic can create some kind of disorder in the brain and make you have the conspiracy problem.

01:06:14.000 You think everybody is against you.

01:06:16.000 It could happen.

01:06:18.000 It could happen.

01:06:19.000 I've seen a lot of my friends who smoke a lot, they have this problem.

01:06:23.000 Sometimes they think they're paranoid.

01:06:26.000 Yeah, I think it's like all things. 0.99

01:06:28.000 You do too much of it, it can fuck with your head. 0.98

01:06:30.000 Everything could be good or bad depending on how you use it. 0.99

01:06:33.000 So what fight is interesting to you?

01:06:36.000 There's talk of Khabib at 155 as the champion now, and Conor.

01:06:41.000 Those are the two fights that I hear.

01:06:43.000 Right now, right now as we speak, now.

01:06:46.000 I wouldn't want right now to put myself immediately in a training camp because the reason is my symptom is not gone.

01:06:53.000 Your colitis.

01:06:53.000 I feel a little bit.

01:06:55.000 It's not as bad as it was, not even close.

01:06:59.000 It's much better, but I want to get rid of it before I get into a training camp.

01:07:03.000 Yeah.

01:07:03.000 Before I put myself into a stress.

01:07:07.000 Because the stress, what it does, it amplifies everything.

01:07:09.000 So if you have little issues, it will amplify it.

01:07:13.000 And at least I need to take care of that.

01:07:15.000 My health is a pass in front of my performance in sport.

01:07:19.000 This is very important.

01:07:20.000 And when I'm ready, I would like to do something, like I said, unique, rare.

01:07:27.000 Something that is rare that has never been done before.

01:07:29.000 That would be a 55-pound championship. 0.90

01:07:31.000 It could be 55, which is the first in MMA to have the three titles, never been done before.

01:07:37.000 Or it could be, maybe, by that time, it would be another guy.

01:07:40.000 Maybe, I don't know.

01:07:42.000 It would be someone will come back and do something great.

01:07:45.000 He will be the man to beat, you know what I mean?

01:07:48.000 Right.

01:07:49.000 We talk about the Diaz brother, and also I changed subject a little bit, but on the same way...

01:07:58.000 It's sad for Nick Diaz that he doesn't fight.

01:08:02.000 Yeah.

01:08:03.000 Because stylistically, people might think I'm crazy, but stylistically, I think he can beat Tyrone Woodley.

01:08:09.000 I think he can.

01:08:10.000 He's the kind of guy that keep coming at you, keep coming at you, and he's good at taking shots, surviving, that keep coming, keep coming at you.

01:08:16.000 And I remember when I fought him...

01:08:20.000 It's terrifying because you got tired and this guy keep coming at you and he make you feel like you claustrophobic and you you do things at him and he keep coming and he's very nervous and they lay around like after like three four rounds like man it's like it's very he never gets tired It doesn't get terrible.

01:08:38.000 It's exhausting.

01:08:40.000 Also, on the nervous system and the mental system.

01:08:46.000 Not only physically.

01:08:47.000 Not much physically.

01:08:49.000 It's on the nervous system.

01:08:50.000 You come at you and you fake.

01:08:52.000 And there's like a...

01:08:55.000 Reaction time and reset time when you fight.

01:08:59.000 I've studied this with my team when I was fighting guys.

01:09:02.000 Nate Diaz makes people tired.

01:09:04.000 Nick.

01:09:07.000 That's why he wins fights.

01:09:09.000 He's kind of a slow guy, but people get more tired than him quickly, especially in their nervous system.

01:09:16.000 There is a guy like BJ Penn, for example.

01:09:17.000 When I fought BJ Penn, I knew that BJ Penn had the best reaction time of all fighters we have seen in UFC, when he was at his best.

01:09:24.000 I measured...

01:09:25.000 The guy we know, who worked with me in Ferrest, measured it with the frame.

01:09:28.000 You know a frame, like a picture when you throw a punch, click, click, click, click.

01:09:32.000 BJ Penn had the best reaction time of all fighters, BJ Penn, when he was in his best.

01:09:36.000 And when I fought him, I knew...

01:09:39.000 If I go straight at him, he have a better reaction time than me.

01:09:43.000 So my goal is he had a very good reaction time but a bad reset time.

01:09:49.000 So his reset time is kind of the endurance for the brain.

01:09:53.000 So he could react very fast, but after a while he got tired very fast.

01:09:58.000 After a lot of faking it and making him guess and stuff, he was getting very tired fast.

01:10:05.000 Because of that, I could get him because of that.

01:10:08.000 I could fake him and make him tired and lower his reaction time and then get him later.

01:10:14.000 So Nate Diaz, that's why he's so good.

01:10:16.000 Nick Diaz, sorry, that's why he's so good.

01:10:19.000 And that's sad for him.

01:10:21.000 He doesn't fight.

01:10:22.000 His best years are now.

01:10:24.000 He should do now.

01:10:25.000 That's what he should do, man.

01:10:27.000 And he's only 33?

01:10:28.000 Is that what we said?

01:10:29.000 33 or 34?

01:10:31.000 I mean, he's in his...

01:10:32.000 Yeah, he should do it now.

01:10:33.000 He should do it.

01:10:33.000 Man, he had the opportunity to make a lot of money.

01:10:35.000 He could do it.

01:10:36.000 He could do it.

01:10:37.000 They suspended him for pot after he fought Anderson Silva, and then he had to pay a fine.

01:10:42.000 He never paid the fine.

01:10:44.000 Yeah, because he's Nick Diaz.

01:10:45.000 I respect that, because in his mind, he thinks he's wrong, and he has a line.

01:10:52.000 He has a code, you know?

01:10:53.000 And the same thing, I have the code for me for the drug test policy.

01:10:57.000 I didn't want to come back unless they do something.

01:10:59.000 I say it to Lorenzo and Dana after my last fight.

01:11:03.000 I say it.

01:11:04.000 It's my code.

01:11:06.000 They wouldn't have done it.

01:11:07.000 I would not have come back.

01:11:08.000 Did you think Hendrix was on something?

01:11:12.000 This is a question.

01:11:14.000 I don't have the evidence.

01:11:16.000 I would never have.

01:11:17.000 You don't have the evidence.

01:11:18.000 We talk about fighters.

01:11:21.000 They got cut.

01:11:22.000 You don't have the evidence they were there before they got cut.

01:11:25.000 I don't have the evidence.

01:11:28.000 The only thing I can say is I didn't want to attack one particular individual and I wanted to change the system.

01:11:35.000 Because if you attack one individual, another one will come.

01:11:38.000 So in that particular case, it was Hendrix.

01:11:42.000 And I wanted to change it.

01:11:43.000 And in the beginning, he agreed with me to do it.

01:11:46.000 But then he changed his mind.

01:11:48.000 And that's when I got very angry.

01:11:50.000 So he agreed with you to take random drug tests?

01:11:52.000 He agreed.

01:11:53.000 It was public.

01:11:54.000 He agreed.

01:11:54.000 When we say, you can look, you have the evidence that in the interview, he said he agreed to do a test.

01:12:00.000 But then he said, no, I did not agree because also the UFC told him to not agree.

01:12:06.000 The UFC told him.

01:12:08.000 Really?

01:12:08.000 The UFC told him.

01:12:10.000 It's the truth.

01:12:10.000 They told him to not do it.

01:12:12.000 Because there were...

01:12:14.000 They didn't want, they had a problem maybe with the VADA. World Anti-Doping Agency?

01:12:23.000 Yes, yes.

01:12:23.000 There's WADA that make the guideline, but they're VADA. That's VADA that I took.

01:12:28.000 They had a problem with them.

01:12:29.000 I don't know why.

01:12:30.000 Was that Victor Conte?

01:12:31.000 Did he have something to do with that?

01:12:32.000 No, it was Margaret, is it Margaret something?

01:12:35.000 It was a lady, but they had a problem, so they said to not do with the test.

01:12:40.000 Not do it, period.

01:12:41.000 I don't know if it was because...

01:12:42.000 I think it was because of Vader.

01:12:44.000 Because I made a little investigation on that, and I got very angry.

01:12:47.000 That's why, like, psychologically, I said to myself, I should not have...

01:12:52.000 If I would have gone back in time, I would not have taken that fight.

01:12:55.000 I would not have taken that fight.

01:12:57.000 That's why I respect a lot of fighters.

01:12:58.000 They stand up for themselves.

01:12:59.000 I didn't have the courage.

01:13:01.000 I didn't do it when it was time to do it.

01:13:03.000 And I should.

01:13:04.000 I regret it.

01:13:05.000 This is one thing I regret in my career.

01:13:06.000 I should have done it.

01:13:07.000 I said, you don't want to sign?

01:13:08.000 Okay, take your belt.

01:13:09.000 I'm gone.

01:13:10.000 I should have done that before.

01:13:11.000 Maybe I would have come back earlier.

01:13:16.000 I wouldn't miss a paycheck, but I wouldn't have enough, you know what I mean?

01:13:21.000 So you don't want to say whether or not you suspect that Johnny Hendricks is doing something, but there was people that were definitely doing something.

01:13:29.000 Yes.

01:13:30.000 I don't have the evidence.

01:13:31.000 Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

01:13:32.000 That's a good way to look at it.

01:13:33.000 I don't want to accuse.

01:13:34.000 And a lot of guys, they do it.

01:13:36.000 And I don't want to judge them because a lot of them, they have a family to feed and everything.

01:13:42.000 And this could make the difference between winning a million dollars or not winning at all.

01:13:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:52.000 Yeah.

01:13:53.000 Everybody has a different reason why they do it, and it's just a system.

01:13:59.000 Encourage it to do it.

01:14:01.000 That's a problem.

01:14:02.000 Yeah, and especially if there's no testing, or if the testing is very poor.

01:14:06.000 Like the testing when you first started your career.

01:14:09.000 I mean, basically, you just had to pee after the weigh-in, and you were okay.

01:14:13.000 You have to be...

01:14:14.000 Even now, it's still easy to...

01:14:16.000 Even now, it's...

01:14:17.000 You think so?

01:14:17.000 Yeah, man, it is...

01:14:19.000 Like, how would someone rig the system?

01:14:21.000 Okay, now, okay, let's say I have a whereabout on my phone, okay?

01:14:23.000 Now I'm saying it, and everybody knows that, especially the cheater, they know that.

01:14:27.000 Look, I thought it true.

01:14:29.000 It's not 100% sure, but let's say I want to have a...

01:14:33.000 An injection of a product that will last in my body for two days or one day.

01:14:40.000 So I know that particular day I cannot be tested because if I am, I'm screwed.

01:14:44.000 Right. 0.97

01:14:45.000 So I put on my whereabout that I'm traveling to the freaking... 0.81

01:14:50.000 Antarctica. 0.86

01:14:52.000 Antarctica.

01:14:53.000 Or anywhere, like somewhere that is believable.

01:14:56.000 Crazy.

01:14:56.000 Yeah.

01:14:56.000 And then I come back two days after.

01:14:59.000 But...

01:15:00.000 That substance will stay in my body for a certain period of time, but the effect of it will last maybe a month.

01:15:07.000 And now we talk about performance enhancing drugs, Joe.

01:15:10.000 People are misunderstanding.

01:15:12.000 They say, oh yeah, but it still doesn't make the difference.

01:15:13.000 Yes, it does make the difference in an athlete.

01:15:16.000 And the reason is...

01:15:18.000 In the 80s, and before, it was giving you more power, more stamina, more endurance.

01:15:23.000 Now, man, with the technology, they have stuff that will change your reaction time, your confidence, your reset time.

01:15:30.000 And this is a huge, huge...

01:15:33.000 Application, man.

01:15:34.000 If you play baseball or you're in a fighting, you see the things coming, you have your reaction time, you're sharper in the brain.

01:15:41.000 What makes a guy athletic, it's not his muscle.

01:15:44.000 The reason why Usain Bolt is you run faster, there's many reasons why, but one of the main reasons is because his brain, his nervous system is better.

01:15:53.000 And if you make your nervous system better and more competent, better, you're a better athlete, man.

01:15:59.000 You're a better fighter.

01:16:00.000 You're a better baseball player.

01:16:02.000 You're a better person in a way.

01:16:05.000 Of course, that effect...

01:16:07.000 It's limited, but there's still the muscle memory thing that will last, you know, and it could last forever.

01:16:16.000 So now with the technology, man, at one point, the sport...

01:16:19.000 That's why I'm afraid.

01:16:20.000 I'm afraid the sport becomes so messed up that with the gene doping and all that, at one point, it will be off.

01:16:27.000 Sport will be completely messed up.

01:16:31.000 In the future, I talk, not now, but sport will be...

01:16:34.000 It won't be any normal people competing.

01:16:37.000 It will be all kind of a seaborg people. 0.99

01:16:40.000 Yeah, cyborgs.

01:16:41.000 People are really worried about gene doping.

01:16:43.000 Yeah, man.

01:16:43.000 They're already starting to do that in China.

01:16:45.000 Even the modern stuff, performance enhancing drug, they do, man.

01:16:49.000 It's very hard to catch up people.

01:16:50.000 So like I said, it's easy...

01:16:52.000 To take something...

01:16:53.000 I mean, there's always a chance that you get caught, but that's how...

01:16:57.000 If I would do it, that's how I would do.

01:16:59.000 And I would pretend I'm going in Antarctica, get an injection, then I come back and I'm good.

01:17:05.000 Nowitzki told me that they're starting...

01:17:07.000 Well, they...

01:17:07.000 They have it, and they don't know whether or not people are taking it, but they're taking testosterone as derived from animals, not from wild yams.

01:17:16.000 The way they get testosterone now, if you get a testosterone injection, they're getting it from wild yams. 0.97

01:17:23.000 Yams? 0.92

01:17:24.000 Yams. 0.97

01:17:25.000 Yeah, the fruit, the vegetable.

01:17:27.000 Really?

01:17:27.000 Yeah, in Jamaica is the yam, yeah.

01:17:31.000 Yeah, that's how they're getting testosterone. 0.98

01:17:34.000 They're getting it from that.

01:17:35.000 A plant?

01:17:36.000 Really?

01:17:36.000 Yeah, the plant-based wild yam testosterone.

01:17:40.000 But now they're able to get it from animals.

01:17:44.000 And the animal testosterone, they do carbon isotope tests, and the carbon isotope tests don't detect the difference between animal testosterone and human testosterone.

01:17:57.000 But these are current tests.

01:17:59.000 One of the things that they do is they freeze your piss and they freeze your blood for, I think, They're doing it for years.

01:18:04.000 And this is how they've caught some of these Russian wrestlers.

01:18:08.000 And they've taken away gold medals from guys that won in the early 2000s.

01:18:13.000 They've found new tests.

01:18:15.000 And with the new tests, they've been able to determine that they were taking steroids.

01:18:18.000 I think it's the same thing when Ben Johnson beat Carl Lewis.

01:18:21.000 Yes.

01:18:22.000 Yeah.

01:18:22.000 Man, Ben Johnson is...

01:18:24.000 Well, he was on some shit, but guess what? 1.00

01:18:26.000 Carl Lewis was on some shit too. 1.00

01:18:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:18:28.000 I think 9 out of the 10 or 8 out of the... 1.00

01:18:32.000 Like, the guy that finished, like, 8th, like, he was a Brazilian guy, then he got interviewed, he said, yeah, it was just a line fillers for the main guy.

01:18:41.000 He would have won the gold medal!

01:18:44.000 Right, because everybody else tested. 1.00

01:18:45.000 Man, that shit changed your life, man! 1.00

01:18:47.000 That changed your life, man! 1.00

01:18:49.000 It made you a better living, millionaire maybe, sponsorship.

01:18:52.000 That's just so bad, you know?

01:18:54.000 That's crazy!

01:18:54.000 Yeah, man, this is crazy.

01:18:56.000 How about Lance Armstrong?

01:18:57.000 I mean, when you go to the Tour de France, when he won, and then they took his title away, all the people that were below him were also guilty.

01:19:05.000 So you take his title away.

01:19:07.000 What about the number two? 1.00

01:19:08.000 He's fucking guilty, too. 1.00

01:19:09.000 Number three. 1.00

01:19:10.000 They said that on one of the years that he won, you had to go back to 18th place to find a guy who's never caught taking anything.

01:19:18.000 That's a dirty sport. 1.00

01:19:19.000 But man, you asked me if I think he was taking...

01:19:23.000 I don't know.

01:19:25.000 But you have your suspicions.

01:19:26.000 I have a suspicion, but it's not right if you don't have the evidence to accuse someone.

01:19:30.000 Yes, I agree with you.

01:19:31.000 And even today...

01:19:34.000 If I think there are some guys, if there's a lot of guys that take steroid and performance-enhancing drugs, yes!

01:19:40.000 And I have an idea of who, who, who, who, who, who.

01:19:43.000 And I'm pretty, like, just for my gut feeling, 99.9% sure.

01:19:49.000 But I don't have the evidence.

01:19:51.000 It's not what you think.

01:19:52.000 It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

01:19:54.000 And I don't know.

01:19:57.000 You know, I'm in a game, I'm talking to a lot of people in between fighters.

01:20:01.000 We know who does who.

01:20:02.000 There's only a few handful of people who does the whole team.

01:20:08.000 You know, one guy could do this team, this team, this team, and one other guy can do two teams.

01:20:14.000 The word goes around, man.

01:20:16.000 Especially when you're a top elite fighter, the word goes around, you know?

01:20:21.000 The people, they talk to me and they say if I would be interested.

01:20:25.000 I've been offered a different offer before in different things, you know?

01:20:28.000 What have you been offered before?

01:20:30.000 I've been offered, man, to sometimes to go train and like some deals, you know, like go train and do something, being part of, you know, like they have a, they take sample of your blood, they know what is missing, then they put the stuff that is missing, make you, I said, no, I'd rather stay in Montreal, you know, like I, and I don't say in Montreal, it could be a lot of cheaters too.

01:20:54.000 That's the thing, you accuse a gym of cheating, you cannot accuse a gym of cheating because everybody is different, you know?

01:21:00.000 There's people cheating everywhere now.

01:21:02.000 You can't say, oh, these people are cheating.

01:21:04.000 It doesn't work like that.

01:21:06.000 It works every individual.

01:21:08.000 If you decide to go that path, you have to be ready to face a consequence.

01:21:13.000 If you don't face a consequence during your competition years, maybe you'll face later.

01:21:20.000 After you're gone and you retire for your career, a lot of people I know, excluding a lot, some of my friends, they were bodybuilders.

01:21:27.000 Now you see their body are messed up, man.

01:21:30.000 Their hormones are all messed up.

01:21:32.000 They got bad problems.

01:21:35.000 I don't want to be like that.

01:21:36.000 I don't want to be like that.

01:21:38.000 I want to be happy.

01:21:39.000 I want to be healthy.

01:21:40.000 Yeah, they tear their joints apart, too.

01:21:43.000 I had Dorian Yates on the podcast.

01:21:46.000 He can't even do push-ups now.

01:21:48.000 I mean, and Dorian Yates was Mr. Olympia. 0.99

01:21:50.000 He was a fucking giant guy. 0.99

01:21:51.000 But all that... 0.99

01:21:52.000 Everything just ripped apart. 0.99

01:21:54.000 It's like everything's all fucked up. 0.95

01:21:56.000 It just doesn't work right anymore. 0.93

01:21:58.000 However, if you ask these people, would you do it again?

01:22:01.000 Maybe they say yes.

01:22:02.000 Maybe it was worth it.

01:22:03.000 Maybe it was worth it.

01:22:05.000 Maybe it wasn't.

01:22:06.000 I think it depends on every individual.

01:22:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:22:08.000 But for me...

01:22:10.000 I'm happy with what I have so far.

01:22:12.000 I could get more maybe in the future, but I don't want to go that path to try to risk everything.

01:22:18.000 What did you think when testosterone replacement therapy was a thing and they were allowing people like Vitor and these people to take testosterone?

01:22:25.000 I was so freaking angry about this.

01:22:32.000 It's a different case for everybody, but I believe if you need to take the medication to compete, performance and medication to compete, you shouldn't be allowed.

01:22:43.000 You shouldn't be competing.

01:22:44.000 And Joe, I'm not against steroids.

01:22:46.000 I'm going to explain to you.

01:22:47.000 People say, oh, I'm not against steroids or testosterone.

01:22:53.000 I'm not against it.

01:22:54.000 If it's for the well-being, if it's an older man who cannot have sex with his wife and he's like, man, he goes to the doctor, he's like, man, I lose the edge a little bit. 0.86

01:23:05.000 The doctor will say, yeah, I put the cream that will increase your testosterone. 1.00

01:23:08.000 And the guy is happy to have sex with his wife. 0.92

01:23:11.000 You're talking about competition. 0.99

01:23:11.000 Yes. 0.99

01:23:12.000 In terms of competition, if me and you were fighting and we signed...

01:23:16.000 That we're not using any weapon.

01:23:18.000 And I'm talking about biological weapon.

01:23:20.000 And we fight man to man as real martial artists by a code of honor.

01:23:26.000 And you behind me, I go and inject myself something to make me stronger or more competent.

01:23:33.000 It could also help my neuron to fire better, to get something to be better, to enhance my performance.

01:23:42.000 Now I'm against that.

01:23:44.000 There's a code of honor and if you don't respect that code, man, it should be out of martial arts.

01:23:50.000 What are people taking that makes their reaction time better?

01:23:52.000 I don't know the name, but there's many.

01:23:55.000 If you talk to a guy, there's a lot of things.

01:23:58.000 A lot of things.

01:23:58.000 I know baseball players, they take stuff for the reaction time, like the pitcher.

01:24:03.000 Because in baseball, in tennis, and even in fighting, before you throw a punch, there is like an indication.

01:24:09.000 The body language, you read something.

01:24:11.000 Like before you throw a ball, there's a movement.

01:24:12.000 Before you punch, there's a...

01:24:14.000 So you see better your brain.

01:24:16.000 There's even medication you can take for exam.

01:24:19.000 You study in school.

01:24:20.000 There's an exam.

01:24:21.000 You have an exam tomorrow.

01:24:23.000 You're gonna study the stuff that you need to know.

01:24:26.000 It will increase.

01:24:27.000 Then you go pass the exam.

01:24:29.000 I know it sounds crazy.

01:24:30.000 Go get it.

01:24:31.000 It's crazy, man.

01:24:32.000 Well, I know Adderall.

01:24:33.000 Adderall's one.

01:24:33.000 It makes you wise, man.

01:24:35.000 It makes you better in the brain.

01:24:37.000 If you make your brain better, your nervous system better, man, you're a better fighter.

01:24:42.000 It's not only physical.

01:24:44.000 Physical enhancement, it was in the 80s.

01:24:49.000 Now we're in the 2000 years now.

01:24:51.000 Now it's neurologic, man.

01:24:52.000 That's when it's crazy dangerous.

01:24:54.000 And soon it will be like with the Gene Doping, forget it, man.

01:24:58.000 The athlete will be born athlete.

01:25:00.000 A guy like me or anybody that fights in UFC won't be able to compete in UFC anymore because they're not super human, you know what I mean?

01:25:09.000 In the future, sport will be so messed up, it will be crazy.

01:25:12.000 We're all going to be gamers, play video games.

01:25:15.000 Yeah, right?

01:25:16.000 Yeah, you're probably right.

01:25:18.000 We're all going to be gamers.

01:25:19.000 This will be the end.

01:25:21.000 This thing, being an athlete, It's not going to make any sense in the future, I believe. 0.95

01:25:27.000 Maybe it will be completely ridiculous. 0.97

01:25:29.000 It's like, oh, you're not born. 0.99

01:25:30.000 You're never going to be...

01:25:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:32.000 And it will be real because you're not born to be...

01:25:35.000 An athlete.

01:25:36.000 You're not bred to be an athlete.

01:25:37.000 Yeah, with gene editing, they're going to be able to change your height.

01:25:42.000 They're going.

01:25:43.000 They can do it now.

01:25:44.000 They can do it now.

01:25:45.000 They haven't really shown that they can do it with humans, in America at least.

01:25:48.000 It's crazy.

01:25:48.000 But they're absolutely experimenting with it all over the world.

01:25:52.000 The cow and everything, it's insane. 1.00

01:25:55.000 They're doing a lot of crazy shit. 0.95

01:25:57.000 I think maybe it's 100 years, maybe it's 50 years, but whatever it is, in that amount of time, you're going to be dealing with people that are basically superheroes. 0.99

01:26:05.000 The sport will be destroyed.

01:26:08.000 When that happens, the sport will be destroyed.

01:26:11.000 The sport will be finished.

01:26:14.000 The 100 meter, can you believe?

01:26:16.000 How...

01:26:17.000 Freaking fast a human being can be to be closer to zero seconds.

01:26:21.000 Yeah.

01:26:22.000 Like, do you think we'll pass the bar of nine seconds one day?

01:26:25.000 It's theoretically not impossible in a way.

01:26:28.000 Like, I mean, at one point there's a line that you can't, like, you know, you can't diminish the time, but it's like a curves, you know, like you can't, you know.

01:26:36.000 But if we get that sort of performance enhancing drug, that would be crazy.

01:26:41.000 But there'll probably be some sort of a side effect to it and some sort of a downside to it.

01:26:45.000 You know, they'll probably die younger, their tissue will diminish faster, but who knows?

01:26:49.000 Maybe they'll be able to regenerate stuff.

01:26:51.000 If you talk to some doctor that knows, like I know you have done, they said that steroid, like performance enhancing drug, if you do it, if they do it well, some people don't have any side effects of it.

01:27:04.000 Right, if you don't abuse it.

01:27:06.000 Yes!

01:27:07.000 So, man, maybe it won't have any side effects.

01:27:09.000 Maybe everybody will be on it.

01:27:11.000 Maybe it will be like an iPhone.

01:27:13.000 We'll be like, oh, that's like, who knows?

01:27:16.000 Who knows?

01:27:16.000 The future, who knows?

01:27:17.000 Yeah, it's totally possible.

01:27:18.000 I mean, you might be, in a lot of ways, one of the last of the natural athletes.

01:27:24.000 Maybe it's a few more years before we get there, but yeah, man.

01:27:28.000 When I think about it, it's going to be finished.

01:27:31.000 It's going to be...

01:27:31.000 I don't know.

01:27:32.000 Maybe we're all going to be video game players or whatever.

01:27:36.000 When you see yourself competing again, how much longer do you think you'll wait out?

01:27:39.000 I mean, you're 37 now.

01:27:41.000 When do you think you'll be healthy enough?

01:27:43.000 When will your colitis feel good enough?

01:27:46.000 Do you have a time period?

01:27:47.000 It's hard to say.

01:27:47.000 Maybe a few weeks.

01:27:49.000 Maybe take a few weeks.

01:27:51.000 Maybe...

01:27:53.000 One, two, three months max, maybe.

01:27:56.000 Maximum.

01:27:56.000 Maybe less than that.

01:27:58.000 Maybe less than that.

01:27:59.000 A little bit of time off.

01:28:00.000 Just a little bit of time.

01:28:00.000 Yeah.

01:28:01.000 I want to make sure I get past that.

01:28:05.000 Because I feel like if I go back into it, it will start all over again.

01:28:09.000 I don't want that.

01:28:10.000 It was bad, Joe.

01:28:11.000 I couldn't sleep at night.

01:28:13.000 I cramped.

01:28:14.000 Bad cramp.

01:28:15.000 I stayed up all night and I had the sparring the next day.

01:28:19.000 Oh my god, it was crazy, man.

01:28:20.000 It was very bad.

01:28:21.000 I had blood.

01:28:22.000 I had to go in the bathroom.

01:28:23.000 I had blood, man.

01:28:25.000 You feel like you want to go to the bathroom, but then nothing comes out.

01:28:27.000 It's the blood.

01:28:28.000 The blood that comes out, man.

01:28:30.000 You look at the bathroom.

01:28:31.000 You see the blood.

01:28:32.000 It's like, man, what's wrong?

01:28:33.000 You think like the dream catcher, the movie with...

01:28:39.000 Yeah, you know what I mean?

01:28:40.000 It's like, what the hell?

01:28:41.000 You know what I mean? 0.80

01:28:42.000 It's crazy, man.

01:28:43.000 You're like, what's happening with me?

01:28:45.000 Am I dying?

01:28:46.000 It was very...

01:28:48.000 I don't want to go back to this.

01:28:49.000 I want to make sure I take care of this stuff.

01:28:52.000 So just maybe even a few more months of just taking care of your body.

01:28:56.000 Maybe a month, week, I want to see.

01:28:59.000 When I feel good, I let a little bit of time.

01:29:01.000 When I feel like 100%, like I don't feel anything...

01:29:06.000 Sometimes I still feel like when I'm going to eat, I feel not that cramp, not that pain, but I feel inside is something different.

01:29:12.000 Right.

01:29:13.000 But it diminishes every week, every month, it diminishes.

01:29:17.000 I see a difference.

01:29:19.000 So if you do go back and you go back to 55, have you tried to make that cut before?

01:29:26.000 I never tried and I won't.

01:29:27.000 I'm going to explain to you.

01:29:29.000 I'm not a fan of weight cutting.

01:29:31.000 I think weight cutting should be Like a marathon runner.

01:29:36.000 A marathon runner, when you train for a marathon, he never does a marathon in his training.

01:29:41.000 He does half or maybe a quarter of it, different things.

01:29:45.000 So it's not healthy to lose your weight.

01:29:48.000 Right.

01:29:49.000 You dehydrate yourself.

01:29:52.000 And starving is not that bad, but it's more the dehydration problem.

01:29:56.000 Me, I'm very worried about health issue, and I don't want this very important.

01:30:01.000 So when I do it, I go all in.

01:30:03.000 I'll do like the best spring fight.

01:30:04.000 I never tried to do, to get my weight much.

01:30:07.000 It's different, you know, when you go up and go down, but...

01:30:10.000 I said, yes, I do it, and I go, and you know what I mean?

01:30:13.000 And I do it.

01:30:15.000 I like the thrill of it, the excitement of the unknown.

01:30:17.000 It kind of excites me in a way.

01:30:19.000 I don't know if you know.

01:30:20.000 So it's kind of an experimentation.

01:30:21.000 It's live.

01:30:22.000 I cannot mess up.

01:30:23.000 That's what excites me.

01:30:25.000 It's not the, oh, I know I can.

01:30:27.000 No, I don't know, man.

01:30:28.000 I'm going to do it now.

01:30:29.000 It's happening now.

01:30:30.000 That's what excites me.

01:30:31.000 Well, these guys that are your size, like Kevin Lee is your size.

01:30:34.000 Kevin Lee is about my size.

01:30:36.000 He's a big guy.

01:30:37.000 Khabib is about, I think...

01:30:38.000 Close to 200. I saw Tony Ferguson, he was posting pictures, he was 200. I never been naturally 200. When I fought Bespring, at one point I was almost 200. I was like, big guy.

01:30:51.000 But I was like, oh, water retention.

01:30:53.000 I didn't feel right.

01:30:55.000 It was not feeling good, man.

01:30:56.000 Yeah, Kevin is a big guy.

01:30:58.000 And there was an article today I saw somewhere that was saying that Kevin really wants a 165-pound weight class.

01:31:04.000 He can't really make 155 very much longer.

01:31:07.000 I think he will be the best, man, this guy.

01:31:09.000 He's good.

01:31:10.000 If I look at all the new guys that are coming, it's freaking scary, man.

01:31:15.000 I'm 37. Maybe I have one, maybe one, two, maybe three.

01:31:18.000 I don't know.

01:31:19.000 I do my thing and I get out of here.

01:31:21.000 When do you think you're going to retire?

01:31:22.000 Do you have an idea?

01:31:26.000 40?

01:31:26.000 It's impossible that I fight past 40. Impossible.

01:31:30.000 I'm not going to fight in a cage at 40 years old, man.

01:31:33.000 But if you're 37, what if you feel just as good?

01:31:36.000 It's like a kid that plays with a train.

01:31:40.000 He's 2 years old, 3 years old, 4 years old, 5 years old.

01:31:45.000 Then you look at the train when you get 6 years old and you're like...

01:31:49.000 What the hell I'm doing with that train?

01:31:51.000 At 40 years old, it's finished for me.

01:31:53.000 Fighting in a cage?

01:31:55.000 I've done it.

01:31:55.000 It's not interesting.

01:31:57.000 At 40 years old, I'm a grown man. 0.94

01:31:59.000 I'm not going to fight in a freaking cage at 40 years old.

01:32:01.000 But that's only 36 months from now. 0.89

01:32:03.000 You're saying it like it's forever.

01:32:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:32:06.000 So it has to happen fast.

01:32:07.000 It has to happen fast.

01:32:08.000 And if it don't happen, I'm happy.

01:32:10.000 I'm happy too.

01:32:11.000 Well, the comeback alone was like one of the greatest comebacks ever.

01:32:15.000 To come back after four years, win the title, beat the champion, and beat him definitively.

01:32:21.000 Rear naked choke, put him to sleep. 1.00

01:32:23.000 That's why, Joe, it needs to be something that really excites me.

01:32:27.000 Because I'm going to tell you something.

01:32:29.000 One of my friends, C.T. Fletcher, he says something.

01:32:32.000 I love C.T. Fletcher.

01:32:33.000 He's amazing.

01:32:33.000 He just had his heart transplant.

01:32:35.000 Yeah, he's doing good now.

01:32:37.000 He's better.

01:32:37.000 Send out some love to C.T. Yeah.

01:32:39.000 CT, you're the inspiration, man.

01:32:42.000 Yeah, man.

01:32:43.000 CT, you're the inspiration, man.

01:32:44.000 We love that guy.

01:32:45.000 He says, satisfaction is the death blow.

01:32:49.000 And it's true. 0.56

01:32:50.000 Now I'm happy, I'm satisfied.

01:32:52.000 But if I see something...

01:32:53.000 Satisfaction is what?

01:32:54.000 What did he say?

01:32:55.000 It's death blow.

01:32:56.000 It's finish.

01:32:56.000 If you're satisfied...

01:32:58.000 If you're a champion and you're satisfied, you retire, man.

01:33:02.000 Because you're going down.

01:33:03.000 You finish.

01:33:04.000 You're going to get hurt.

01:33:05.000 Yeah.

01:33:05.000 As an athlete, especially in our game.

01:33:08.000 Now, man, everything I do, I go further and further.

01:33:11.000 That's why I didn't want to fight Nate Diaz.

01:33:14.000 Because if I fight Nate Diaz, it's been done before.

01:33:19.000 It's not excited for me.

01:33:22.000 And I would be going into that fight satisfied.

01:33:26.000 Yeah.

01:33:26.000 And if I do that, it's very dangerous.

01:33:29.000 I want to do something that I'm like, the 155, I'm like, I never did it before, title, or beating a certain guy that is on a freaking rise.

01:33:39.000 Well, that would be Khabib then, because Nate has already beaten Conor.

01:33:43.000 Could be Khabib. 0.92

01:33:44.000 I don't know if they're a new guy that do something that is unbeatable.

01:33:49.000 And when I come back, I'm like, oh, George is never going to beat that.

01:33:52.000 When you say never, man...

01:33:54.000 I love it.

01:33:56.000 As crazy as it is, when you say, never gonna come back, it excites me.

01:34:01.000 When you say, I cannot do that, it's never been done before, that means if I do it, it will be the first time.

01:34:06.000 That excites me.

01:34:07.000 That really turned me on.

01:34:09.000 There's a lot of things that turn me on in life.

01:34:10.000 It's women, dinosaurs, and this. 1.00

01:34:13.000 People that say, don't, don't.

01:34:15.000 That really...

01:34:16.000 Make me going crazy.

01:34:18.000 Why dinosaurs?

01:34:19.000 No, no, but it's paleontology.

01:34:20.000 Since I'm a kid, I study paleontology.

01:34:23.000 Wow, that's awesome.

01:34:24.000 Yeah, I traveled the world during those four years off, by the way.

01:34:26.000 Did you?

01:34:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:27.000 What did you do during those four years off?

01:34:30.000 I traveled a lot of the world on the sight.

01:34:34.000 The sightseeing?

01:34:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:36.000 That made me realize, too, that I could never be a paleontologist.

01:34:40.000 I don't have the patience to go, like...

01:34:42.000 With a toothbrush.

01:34:43.000 For hours, I would drive me...

01:34:45.000 I like to get the knowledge of it, to be on the field, to get the knowledge fast.

01:34:49.000 Right.

01:34:49.000 But I don't like to work to get the knowledge.

01:34:51.000 Right.

01:34:52.000 Which makes me not a real paleontologist.

01:34:55.000 The paleontologist is willing to put the work into it.

01:34:58.000 Yeah.

01:34:59.000 In MMA... I'm willing to put the work into it to become the champion, you know?

01:35:05.000 But in paleontology, that's how I... Because at one point, I thought I liked both equally.

01:35:10.000 Now I realize, no, I like the sport better.

01:35:13.000 The problem with the sport of MMA is so exciting.

01:35:16.000 And paleontology is probably very exciting once you find, like, a T-Rex head or something like that.

01:35:20.000 It's the knowledge, man.

01:35:21.000 The knowledge is exciting.

01:35:23.000 I mean, I have a thing every month.

01:35:25.000 Every time they have a discovery, it's in my phone.

01:35:28.000 Oh, like an app.

01:35:29.000 Yes.

01:35:29.000 Every time it's a new discovery or something, like, boom.

01:35:33.000 And my friend, they make fun of me.

01:35:34.000 They're like, man, you fight in a cage, you beat up people, you like paleontology, what's wrong with you?

01:35:40.000 Because they make fun of me.

01:35:41.000 I went to Argentina, in the Pentagon.

01:35:44.000 I was there with paleontologists, biologists, and microbiologists on site.

01:35:55.000 I had a blast, man.

01:35:57.000 It was amazing.

01:35:58.000 But people were like, George is gone in a freaking bad land, alone, isolated for the rest of the world.

01:36:08.000 To do that kind of stuff, you know, so they were making fun.

01:36:11.000 Did you find anything?

01:36:13.000 I did not find it, but I went on site, I saw eggs, I saw sauropod remains, titanosaurs.

01:36:20.000 They were still in the ground when you were there?

01:36:23.000 Yeah.

01:36:24.000 They're finding it.

01:36:24.000 They're excavating it.

01:36:26.000 Yeah, but Drew, it's a long process, man.

01:36:29.000 This, that's me, has been covered for at least like 66 million years, man.

01:36:34.000 You talk about like...

01:36:35.000 The place where I was, it was early to Cretaceous.

01:36:39.000 No, it was like Cretaceous, but it was like 100 million years.

01:36:42.000 So that's me, it did not get exposed to oxygen for 100 million years.

01:36:47.000 That's why you got...

01:36:48.000 So you...

01:36:49.000 It's like a crime scene, man.

01:36:50.000 When you go on these things, it's freaking there, man.

01:36:54.000 It's like a crime scene that you discover, but like a hundred million years crime scene, man.

01:36:59.000 You see these sauropods, man, these titanosaurs.

01:37:02.000 It's insane, man.

01:37:03.000 Well, it's crazy, too, that it's not even really a bone anymore.

01:37:05.000 The mineral has replaced the bone, and you just get the shape of the bone that's sort of been fossilized.

01:37:12.000 Yeah.

01:37:12.000 You know, that's why if you see, like, megalodon teeth, they're black.

01:37:16.000 I have in my house the Megalodon teeth.

01:37:18.000 Crazy, right?

01:37:19.000 Yeah, it's insane, man.

01:37:21.000 Megalodon is like the strongest bite force ever recorded, man.

01:37:24.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:37:25.000 It's a big fucking animal. 1.00

01:37:26.000 It was a huge fish. 1.00

01:37:27.000 Yeah, you feed on whales.

01:37:31.000 It's crazy, but this is one of the things that really excites me.

01:37:35.000 So during those four years I was doing, man, I had a blast.

01:37:38.000 I didn't have the time to do it before that, and I felt like...

01:37:42.000 It was missing in my life.

01:37:44.000 Really?

01:37:44.000 Paleontology is missing in your life?

01:37:46.000 That's fascinating.

01:37:47.000 I went to Alberta.

01:37:48.000 I went also in Dakota, in the United States.

01:37:52.000 And I want to go in Egypt.

01:37:54.000 And then Egypt and Morocco, there was some site that there were, once upon a time, it was like...

01:38:01.000 Like I'm talking about this, probably nobody cares, but I love it.

01:38:04.000 There were like three giant apex predators living in the same...

01:38:08.000 Like a giant crocodile, Sarcosuchus, Carcharondotosaurus, and Spinosaurus.

01:38:14.000 These two live in the same area.

01:38:17.000 I wonder what happened. 0.98

01:38:18.000 Like three alpha freaking predators living at the same time. 0.92

01:38:23.000 I wonder if they interact with each other. 0.94

01:38:25.000 It must have been a crazy time, man.

01:38:28.000 I have a friend and one of his good friends has a ranch in Montana and he found something on the ranch and he called this paleontologist and they went to his ranch and they shut the place down like, dude, you got a T-Rex here.

01:38:42.000 Really?

01:38:42.000 Yeah.

01:38:43.000 They gave him over a million dollars for it.

01:38:46.000 Yeah.

01:38:46.000 And they excavated this T-Rex in his ranch and apparently it was a really good specimen.

01:38:51.000 In Canada, if you find something, it belongs to the government. 1.00

01:38:56.000 Oh, fucking Canada! 1.00

01:38:57.000 Let's say you find a bone in your backyard, it doesn't belong to you. 1.00

01:39:02.000 Oh, that's fucked up. 0.99

01:39:03.000 Can you believe it? 1.00

01:39:04.000 Yeah, that sucked, man. 0.99

01:39:05.000 It was very bad. 0.99

01:39:07.000 America's got you guys beat for that.

01:39:08.000 When I was young, Joe, I remember I used to live in the countryside.

01:39:11.000 I used to try to go to find bones, but I didn't know back then.

01:39:15.000 I was not educated, so I thought maybe I could find dinosaurs.

01:39:18.000 I was spending hours trying to find dinosaurs.

01:39:22.000 Every rock I took, I thought it was a dinosaur.

01:39:23.000 I used to bring it back.

01:39:25.000 And my mom said, yeah, yeah, it's a dinosaur state.

01:39:28.000 Yeah, right.

01:39:28.000 Because it was kind of a triangular shape.

01:39:31.000 But then I found out that all the place where I come from, it was all erosion.

01:39:36.000 So there's nothing from Cretaceous or Jurassic or Triassic back then.

01:39:40.000 It's all like before that.

01:39:42.000 So it's all gone.

01:39:43.000 Yeah.

01:39:43.000 So it's just crazy, man.

01:39:45.000 It's been a long time.

01:39:46.000 I was in Montana once, and there's this area that used to be the Great Western Inland Sea.

01:39:52.000 And this area, like the ground is like this mucky ground, especially when it rains.

01:39:59.000 It's essentially silt, like the bottom of a lake, you know, that silt?

01:40:03.000 Because it was like a sea in between cutting the America in half.

01:40:10.000 Yeah.

01:40:13.000 The two continent cuts. 1.00

01:40:15.000 Yeah, you know all about that shit, huh? 1.00

01:40:17.000 I know this, man. 1.00

01:40:17.000 I know as much as MMA with this stuff. 1.00

01:40:19.000 Really?

01:40:19.000 Almost, yeah.

01:40:20.000 Wow.

01:40:21.000 Like, maybe not, but I am passionate with this, man, a long time.

01:40:25.000 It's fascinating when you're walking around this area in Montana.

01:40:27.000 It's called the Missouri Breaks.

01:40:29.000 And because this ground, it does feel like, you know, if you've ever seen a lake bed, if the water recedes, it's got that silty sort of weird mud.

01:40:38.000 This is all, the whole ground is like this.

01:40:40.000 It sticks to your boots.

01:40:42.000 Like it gets heavy and clumps on the bottom of your boots.

01:40:45.000 It's like this muck.

01:40:46.000 Maybe, man, we don't know what the future will look like, man.

01:40:50.000 Sometimes I'm thinking, Drew, I'm like, you know, people talk about the environment.

01:40:54.000 They say, oh, the pollution will make, we have hot hair and ice age, hot hair.

01:40:59.000 It's been going forever.

01:41:01.000 And sometimes I'm thinking, I'm like, yeah, okay, of course the pollution and the human has an effect on the climate.

01:41:07.000 But I wonder how big we have an effect.

01:41:12.000 Some people say it's debatable.

01:41:14.000 Is it that big or is it not that big?

01:41:17.000 Some says, yes, it is bad.

01:41:19.000 Some says, yeah, it's bad, but we don't have that much of an effect.

01:41:23.000 I don't know about that.

01:41:24.000 I would like to have a clear answer for that.

01:41:27.000 I think we have an effect, but I wonder how...

01:41:31.000 Now we're going in a hot here, the glaciers are melting.

01:41:35.000 But the hot here will go to an ice age.

01:41:42.000 You know that, right?

01:41:42.000 Because of the current and everything.

01:41:44.000 So I wonder how much of an effect and how long it'll take.

01:41:48.000 Because we don't have any recent record of how long everything takes.

01:41:52.000 We know a little bit, but not that much.

01:41:55.000 It's a fascinating subject for sure.

01:41:57.000 Are we gonna live through that time?

01:41:59.000 Probably not, but I'm like, you know what I mean?

01:42:01.000 It's like, how long it will take?

01:42:02.000 I'm very interested about that.

01:42:04.000 That's why I love these things.

01:42:06.000 Learning from the past makes you understand sometimes the present and the future.

01:42:10.000 I think it's really interesting.

01:42:12.000 Yeah, no, I'm very fascinated by it.

01:42:14.000 Are you still interested in aliens?

01:42:17.000 Yeah, man.

01:42:18.000 Still?

01:42:18.000 So that's the thing.

01:42:20.000 When I first came on your show, you cut me really off guard.

01:42:24.000 Because most people that we talk about aliens, they completely think you're crazy or you disregard.

01:42:31.000 It's like, oh, you're going to talk about like, you know, most people that attract aliens. 0.99

01:42:37.000 So you feel like ridiculous. 0.97

01:42:39.000 Right. 0.94

01:42:40.000 And then after I found out, you read a lot about that stuff, like the Sumerian text, the creation tablet, Zacharization, and all that stuff.

01:42:48.000 And I do too.

01:42:49.000 I mean, I don't know if there is...

01:42:52.000 I think there would be life form.

01:42:56.000 I don't know if it's intelligence.

01:42:57.000 We don't have evidence for it.

01:42:59.000 Right.

01:42:59.000 And I think our ego as human beings...

01:43:04.000 Want us to believe that the alien came and interact with us.

01:43:07.000 That's our ego.

01:43:09.000 But if they're that far advanced from us and they come from a different world, maybe they don't want to interact because we have nothing to offer them.

01:43:17.000 They're not going to kidnap the farmer and ask him what kind of suspension he's wearing.

01:43:21.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:24.000 But think about what you just said about paleontology. 1.00

01:43:27.000 I mean, we're paying attention to stupid fucking lizards that lived 65 million years ago. 1.00

01:43:31.000 It's true. 1.00

01:43:31.000 I mean, don't you think they would be curious, this weird monkey with nuclear weapons? 1.00

01:43:35.000 Yeah, but we don't communicate with them.

01:43:37.000 We don't interact.

01:43:38.000 There's ways that they can learn from us without communicating.

01:43:42.000 I don't know.

01:43:42.000 I think it's our ego that makes us...

01:43:45.000 We want to feel special.

01:43:47.000 We want to feel that...

01:43:48.000 Like, oh, we're different.

01:43:53.000 We're different beings than, for example, a dog.

01:43:56.000 Yeah, we can think because we're smart, but...

01:43:59.000 I don't know how this has been given to us.

01:44:02.000 I don't know.

01:44:04.000 You were talking about it when I was young.

01:44:10.000 We talked about it last time.

01:44:11.000 You said, you were talking about the experience.

01:44:15.000 I said...

01:44:16.000 I remember that I remembered, but I can't recall it.

01:44:19.000 When I was young, I don't know if it's a dream, I remember I used to draw.

01:44:24.000 I used to draw a figure of monster.

01:44:27.000 I'd say to my mom, it's the monster, they come get me at night.

01:44:31.000 That's why we talked last time.

01:44:33.000 But I was very uncomfortable.

01:44:37.000 And I didn't want to talk about it because I was like, man, how the hell he knows?

01:44:39.000 You know everything, man.

01:44:40.000 This guy, he knows everything.

01:44:42.000 He made research and stuff.

01:44:43.000 So I made the drawing.

01:44:46.000 And then my mom, even now today, I said, hey, I want to see the drawing, you know?

01:44:53.000 And I showed the drawing and I'm like...

01:44:57.000 And then after, I remember later...

01:45:00.000 I remember that I remember, but I couldn't remember.

01:45:04.000 You understand what I mean?

01:45:05.000 I remembered that I remembered that something happened, but now I can't remember what exactly happened.

01:45:12.000 It could be a nightmare.

01:45:13.000 It could be another sleep paralysis.

01:45:16.000 Paralysis, yeah.

01:45:17.000 My imagination.

01:45:18.000 I don't have evidence.

01:45:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:20.000 That's why we talked about it last time.

01:45:22.000 And that's what happened to me.

01:45:25.000 And I hope it's a nightmare.

01:45:28.000 It's a nightmare.

01:45:29.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:30.000 But the thing is, later on I saw some documentary on TV. I saw some people that had a similar experience as me.

01:45:38.000 Loss of memory and things like this when they were young.

01:45:41.000 And they claim they got a hypnose and stuff.

01:45:45.000 Then they go back in time and they explain they got abducted by him.

01:45:49.000 And then I start to freak out about it because I said, man, is that what happened to me?

01:45:54.000 But there is a lot more logical explanation.

01:45:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:58.000 But that's why when he brought that back, I freaked out.

01:46:01.000 I was like, how the hell he knows this?

01:46:02.000 How the hell he knows this?

01:46:04.000 I didn't want to talk about it, but then he...

01:46:07.000 Then it was also, my agent was like, hey, we need 10 minutes.

01:46:09.000 I'm like, like I didn't, we were misinformed.

01:46:12.000 We didn't know that podcast was like that long and this, like all these things in my head, I didn't know what to make of it, you know?

01:46:19.000 So that's what it was.

01:46:20.000 Yeah.

01:46:22.000 It's entirely possible that we're experiencing something when we're dreaming, that we're sleeping, when we're unconscious, that maybe there's dimensions that consciousness travels to that are non-physical.

01:46:34.000 That like this dimension, where we're in right now, we can touch this table, move this microphone around, these are physical dimensions.

01:46:41.000 But it's entirely possible that whatever your spirit is, or your consciousness, or your mind, when you're thinking of your thoughts and your soul, You said you're a soul.

01:46:54.000 Yeah, whatever that means.

01:46:56.000 You believe is a soul.

01:46:57.000 I don't know what that means.

01:46:59.000 It's a weird word, right?

01:47:00.000 It has religious connotations, but the idea of whatever your essence is as a human being, there's something inside of all of us that makes us conscious and aware and there.

01:47:12.000 And then that something is not there when you're sleeping.

01:47:15.000 And so, is it dormant?

01:47:17.000 Is it just recovering, which is, you know, the scientific version of it?

01:47:21.000 Or is it possible that while you're in this dream state and your body shuts off, that your mind and your consciousness travels to a non-physical dimension that you can only access through the chemicals that are released in your brain, which we know produce psychedelic experiences?

01:47:40.000 So if you took the chemicals that are released during your brain or inside your brain like dimethyltryptamine and there's all sorts of different psychedelic chemicals that are produced by the mind.

01:47:54.000 If you take these outside of the dream state, if you take these drugs, you have these crazy fantastic experiences.

01:48:01.000 And we know these are produced by the brain.

01:48:04.000 They're produced.

01:48:04.000 Are they produced by the brain also?

01:48:06.000 Yes, they're produced by the brain.

01:48:07.000 They're produced by the liver and the lungs.

01:48:09.000 We believe they're produced by your third eye, which is your pineal gland.

01:48:13.000 They've shown, the Cottonwood Research Foundation has shown that this is done in rats, that rats produce dimethyltryptamine in their pineal gland.

01:48:21.000 It doesn't necessarily mean that people do, but it's logical to imply that people probably or conclude that people probably do it as well.

01:48:28.000 So those chemicals that are producing these psychedelic experiences are being released by the brain, but we don't know why and we don't know what they're doing.

01:48:37.000 When you sleep, like you have a guy, Matthew Walker.

01:48:41.000 Yes, it was amazing, right?

01:48:42.000 When you sleep, your guardian, your logic is not there.

01:48:46.000 That part of your brain is gone.

01:48:48.000 So that's probably the most logical experience.

01:48:52.000 But it's kind of a freaking scary thought of thinking that, man.

01:48:57.000 It makes you wonder.

01:48:58.000 Sometimes you're at night at...

01:49:00.000 You're at night alone and you're thinking.

01:49:02.000 I'm a guy that thinks a lot.

01:49:03.000 I'm thinking about all kinds of scenarios.

01:49:05.000 Like in a fight, I think about all scenarios, but in life in the same way.

01:49:09.000 I'm thinking, what if this happened for real?

01:49:13.000 Or what if, like, man, it's...

01:49:16.000 Scary talk, man.

01:49:19.000 There's nothing more scary in the world.

01:49:21.000 Well, what is scarier?

01:49:22.000 Is it scary to think that when you die, you're just gone and nothing happens?

01:49:27.000 Or is it scary to think that your consciousness leaves this physical dimension and goes into what's essentially a well of souls?

01:49:35.000 Just a dimension, a non-physical dimension of consciousness where all consciousness interacts with each other and it's just geometric patterns That don't have a physical being attached to them.

01:49:48.000 It's hard for me to believe the consciousness is not material.

01:49:54.000 Because let's say you would say, sometimes people have, they say, oh, he's a good person, he's a bad person.

01:49:58.000 I don't believe there is good and bad person.

01:50:01.000 I believe there is no people, no baby born good or bad.

01:50:05.000 I believe it's your environment that makes, that shape you.

01:50:08.000 It has a lot to do with it.

01:50:09.000 Genes have a lot to do with it.

01:50:10.000 So when you say the mind...

01:50:13.000 Let's say I'm a person in a certain way.

01:50:16.000 You know me as a certain way.

01:50:17.000 And it happened to me.

01:50:18.000 I have a friend that happened to him.

01:50:20.000 He was my best friend.

01:50:21.000 And he's dead now, unfortunately.

01:50:24.000 He was in a certain way.

01:50:25.000 But he got a car accident.

01:50:28.000 I remember after his car accident, he changed, man.

01:50:30.000 He was not the same guy.

01:50:32.000 He became a little bit paranoid.

01:50:33.000 He had some kind of dementia.

01:50:36.000 So the person I knew was kind of dead.

01:50:40.000 But it was physically...

01:50:43.000 The DNA, everything was the same, but the person is different.

01:50:48.000 So when you say the soul, the mind, If it would be really not materialistic, that would not have changed.

01:50:56.000 But his personality was completely different.

01:50:59.000 He had a short temper.

01:51:01.000 I remember he had a girlfriend who was extremely jealous.

01:51:04.000 He was starting to beat her and stuff.

01:51:06.000 He was completely different.

01:51:08.000 Completely different person that you knew before.

01:51:10.000 So if they say the mind, your brain, your brain is materialism, but your mind is not.

01:51:19.000 So if you have an accident, like my friend, and you have some sort of dementia or something, that means if it's not materialism, it would not happen.

01:51:30.000 It's possible, but it's also possible.

01:51:32.000 It's hard to say.

01:51:33.000 And you have the explanations that are subjective and objective.

01:51:37.000 If I pinch you, you say I'm hurt.

01:51:42.000 There is no objective way for me to tell you that you really hurt, because even if I go and open your brain, I can't see it.

01:51:49.000 The only way I know is because of my experience, but it can't prove it. 0.98

01:51:52.000 So fucking who knows? 0.97

01:51:54.000 Who really knows? 0.98

01:51:55.000 It's also possible that when you think of consciousness or the soul or what's going on in the mind, that it's expressed Yeah, I think.

01:52:22.000 Uses consciousness in order to move through life.

01:52:26.000 But that consciousness is independent from the brain. 0.96

01:52:28.000 And that the brain being damaged is just expressing consciousness in a fucked up way. 0.81

01:52:34.000 Because you've got dementia or Parkinson's or what other neurological disorders that people have. 0.82

01:52:40.000 But at the center of it, it's still the same thing.

01:52:43.000 It's one of the things that people say when they have...

01:52:45.000 So you mean if you die, you finish, the best out of you will still exist?

01:52:52.000 Not necessarily the best side of you, but you independent of the body.

01:52:55.000 These are just theories.

01:52:56.000 But there are people that believe that consciousness is non-local and that the body actually is just like an antenna for your consciousness.

01:53:04.000 Now if the body is damaged, if your hormonal balance is all fucked up, your neurological system is out of whack.

01:53:11.000 One of the things that Muhammad Ali said when they were talking to him about his Parkinson's is that he's still in there. 0.52

01:53:19.000 He just can't express himself because his body had been damaged by so many fights and so many hard sparring sessions and so many blows to the head that he wasn't capable of expressing himself, but inside he was still the same guy, but he was trapped.

01:53:35.000 His consciousness was trapped in a broken body.

01:53:37.000 I see.

01:53:38.000 It's like a prison, like a locomotion system.

01:53:43.000 And you know, when you think about CTE, like a lot of these football players, like you know that Aaron Hernandez guy that was a murderer?

01:53:50.000 And he was a football player and they examined his brain after he was dead.

01:53:53.000 And like, this is one of the worst cases of CTE we've ever seen.

01:53:56.000 After he killed himself in prison, they examined him.

01:53:59.000 And the idea is that your consciousness is supposed to be expressing itself through a healthy brain.

01:54:06.000 Right, through healthy hormones, a healthy endocrine system, a healthy neurological system, and that in that way your brain can, your consciousness can express itself and do so without any physical hindrances.

01:54:20.000 Then there's also psychological hindrances.

01:54:22.000 Yeah, but what is healthy?

01:54:24.000 At what age are you LTE? The moment you start breathing and living, there's some sort of change that occurs in your body.

01:54:33.000 So what is the LTE state?

01:54:36.000 15, 12, 1 years old?

01:54:39.000 1 years old, you're not the same person at 15, and 15, you're not the same as 30. 30, you're not the same as 60. I think there's no independence.

01:54:48.000 I think they're all connected.

01:54:49.000 And I think that, you know, The physical vitality of the body is important.

01:54:55.000 The vitality of the mind is important.

01:54:57.000 The first time I saw a real dead body up close was my grandfather.

01:55:05.000 My grandfather died and went to the funeral.

01:55:08.000 They had an open casket.

01:55:09.000 It was very strange.

01:55:10.000 But one thing that I realized when I was standing there, I'm like, he's not even there.

01:55:13.000 He's not here.

01:55:15.000 He's not here.

01:55:17.000 I mean, this might have been where my grandfather lived.

01:55:20.000 He might have lived in this body, but he's not here anymore.

01:55:22.000 Yeah.

01:55:23.000 It was a very strange feeling to me because it was like, internally I realized.

01:55:27.000 I'm like, I get the fact that he's dead and he's not moving.

01:55:30.000 This is his body. 0.99

01:55:31.000 He's been embalmed and they put makeup on you and all this weird shit. 0.97

01:55:35.000 But it was also this feeling like he's not there. 0.96

01:55:38.000 He's gone.

01:55:39.000 Yeah.

01:55:39.000 But what is the body then?

01:55:41.000 Is the body a vehicle for whatever you are?

01:55:45.000 Maybe one day we'll know, maybe we won't.

01:55:49.000 It's one of those philosophical questions.

01:55:53.000 It's conceptual.

01:55:54.000 It's also, you know, people have their ideological reasons for believing one thing or another.

01:55:58.000 There's people that are nihilists that think, you know, it's over when it's over and then you go to black and that's it. 0.99

01:56:03.000 You're done.

01:56:04.000 End of story. 0.99

01:56:05.000 Nothing happens when you're dead.

01:56:06.000 But you don't know that because you've never died.

01:56:08.000 We can't know.

01:56:09.000 Yeah, it's a real open-ended question.

01:56:12.000 I'm on the same page as you for this.

01:56:14.000 I do not know.

01:56:16.000 A lot of idea has been presented to me.

01:56:19.000 A lot of the idea I rejected because it didn't make sense to me logically.

01:56:24.000 Do you believe in free will?

01:56:28.000 Right, that's a good one.

01:56:30.000 My phone is there and it falls.

01:56:32.000 There's a reason why it falls.

01:56:34.000 The asymmetry of the phone makes it fall.

01:56:36.000 Maybe I blow.

01:56:37.000 There's a reason.

01:56:39.000 I won't say my phone only fell.

01:56:40.000 But if you do something wrong, for example, you kill someone, you just...

01:56:47.000 Not decide, like, kill someone.

01:56:49.000 Like, there's a reason why you do something.

01:56:52.000 And if you go back, the reason, there's a reason of the reason of the reason.

01:56:55.000 It's like a domino.

01:56:58.000 Sometimes I'm thinking, I'm like, man, it makes me think like I have no choice.

01:57:02.000 Right.

01:57:03.000 Like, oh, you're a world champion, you work for it.

01:57:05.000 I was like, yeah, but I have no choice.

01:57:07.000 So I have no, no, I don't deserve any props because I have no choice.

01:57:11.000 Right, you are the product of your life experiences.

01:57:13.000 To me, that's what makes the most sense for me.

01:57:16.000 People think I'm crazy, but I have an argument with a lot, sometimes, like, a lot of religious people, they say, oh, yeah, this or that, but, like, I, I, that's why I believe.

01:57:25.000 I believe sometimes, like, it doesn't mean I don't believe in God or I don't, it doesn't mean I'm different, like, in my belief, but I believe.

01:57:32.000 I have no choice.

01:57:33.000 If I do something, I have no choice.

01:57:35.000 But you do have ethics, and you do have morals, and you do make decisions.

01:57:39.000 So that's where it gets slippery.

01:57:40.000 I don't think I made decisions.

01:57:41.000 No?

01:57:42.000 It was a cause to that decision.

01:57:47.000 There is a cause to everything.

01:57:48.000 And by definition, there is a cause.

01:57:50.000 There is no free will.

01:57:51.000 Well, it's a good argument.

01:57:53.000 I've heard it – I mean, Sam Harris argued it to me the best and made me really reconsider. 0.93

01:57:59.000 And Robert Sapolsky, who is a famous scientist and deals with a lot of the functions of the human brain in terms of like our motivations for things, his take was that in the future it will be – you know, when we look back today at like people that burn people for witchcraft and stuff like that, how foolish they are.

01:58:20.000 He thinks we will have the same reaction to people judging and punishing people based on their behaviors.

01:58:26.000 I agree 100%.

01:58:28.000 Wow.

01:58:28.000 Just look, go back in time, I think it's ancient Greek.

01:58:35.000 Mm-hmm.

01:58:35.000 The men that were teaching knowledge to kids in exchange of sexual favor.

01:58:40.000 You know, it happened.

01:58:41.000 Now we call that pedophily.

01:58:44.000 It's wrong.

01:58:45.000 We put the people in prison.

01:58:48.000 But back in the day, it was normal.

01:58:49.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:52.000 Sometimes our conception of good and bad or choice, you know, that I choose.

01:58:58.000 Like, I don't know, man.

01:58:59.000 I don't believe there is good and bad.

01:59:01.000 I don't believe the choice.

01:59:03.000 I have a hard time to believe I choose something.

01:59:06.000 Well, there's certainly things that you think are more positive than negative, right?

01:59:11.000 Like being kind to people and friendly to people is more positive than being, you know, a murderer.

01:59:17.000 Yeah?

01:59:18.000 Let's say you have a gun. 0.98

01:59:19.000 Let's say you want to kill someone and say, hey, George, can you borrow me a gun, please? 0.94

01:59:23.000 I was like, oh, yeah. 0.97

01:59:24.000 I'm nice.

01:59:25.000 Nice gesture. 0.98

01:59:26.000 I will give you a gun. 1.00

01:59:27.000 But then you go kill someone. 0.99

01:59:29.000 So is my gesture nice or is it not nice? 0.88

01:59:32.000 Good, bad, it all depends on what you see, Joe.

01:59:35.000 It all depends on how you see.

01:59:36.000 It depends on why you're giving the person a gun, right? 0.99

01:59:38.000 Hey, this guy raped a little kid. 0.99

01:59:40.000 Give me your gun. 1.00

01:59:41.000 I'm going to go kill him. 1.00

01:59:42.000 It's like, oh, yeah, I'll do a good thing and I'll let you borrow my gun so you can go kill this bad person. 1.00

01:59:46.000 Okay, then my argument is, okay, you said, George, give me your gun, I want to go kill this guy. 0.99

01:59:52.000 I say, okay, I go give you the gun. 1.00

01:59:54.000 This guy is Adolf Hitler. 1.00

01:59:56.000 You go kill him. 1.00

01:59:57.000 Is it a good thing or a bad thing? 1.00

01:59:58.000 To certain people, it will be good, certain people will be bad.

02:00:01.000 It depends on what is good or bad.

02:00:04.000 Yeah.

02:00:05.000 Sometimes I'm thinking like, man, all this, who knows?

02:00:09.000 We freaking don't know, man.

02:00:11.000 That's the interesting thing about life is that there's a lot of things in life that are messy.

02:00:15.000 There's not a simple answer.

02:00:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:00:19.000 So we have choices.

02:00:21.000 It's like a pool game.

02:00:22.000 Yeah.

02:00:23.000 If mathematically, I can...

02:00:26.000 I had this talk with Feras, and Feras is very smart.

02:00:29.000 He studied philosophy.

02:00:31.000 He had a degree in philosophy.

02:00:34.000 It's like fighting.

02:00:34.000 You fight a guy, you study his pattern.

02:00:37.000 You know, like when you do this, he do that.

02:00:39.000 When you do this, he do that.

02:00:40.000 So if you do this, you think he will do that.

02:00:44.000 But maybe he won't because the environment has changed since then.

02:00:48.000 But you know, it's the same thing.

02:00:49.000 So if you play a pool, If I can measure the strength that I hit the ball, ricochet on certain ball, if I can measure everything precisely, I will know where all the balls are ending up on the table.

02:01:02.000 You agree with that, right?

02:01:02.000 Yes.

02:01:03.000 If I know all the data of the universe and I, boom, I can predict.

02:01:08.000 You agree with that?

02:01:09.000 It would be the same thing with you if I know you by heart.

02:01:12.000 I know your genetic background.

02:01:14.000 I know all the data of the universe.

02:01:16.000 It's impossible to know if I wouldn't know.

02:01:18.000 I will know specifically what would you do exactly right now.

02:01:22.000 If I do that, you will know.

02:01:24.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:24.000 How you would exactly react or what you're about to say to me.

02:01:28.000 It's impossible.

02:01:29.000 So that's why I don't believe in free will.

02:01:34.000 I believe it could be measurable.

02:01:37.000 It's impossible to measure.

02:01:39.000 Right, and then when you see people that are doing good things and achieving good things, it motivates you to do good things and achieve things, and that also changes all the people around you and makes them move in a certain direction as well. 0.99

02:01:53.000 And if you look at certain cultures that are extremely negative and crime-ridden and fucked up, they produce extremely negative, crime-ridden, fucked up people. 0.99

02:02:01.000 Yeah, it's true. 1.00

02:02:02.000 It's like there's all this going on there.

02:02:04.000 Is it the fault of those people?

02:02:05.000 And that's one of the things that people really criticize, and I think rightly so, about like hardcore right-wing people that think everyone should be responsible for their own actions.

02:02:15.000 I don't care if you grow up in a crime-ridden neighborhood.

02:02:17.000 You stop doing crime, and you be a good person, and that's not an easy task.

02:02:22.000 The brain has no way to know if an information is relevant or not.

02:02:27.000 If you grew up in a...

02:02:31.000 Democrat system, with Democrat value, you'll be...

02:02:34.000 If you're smart, you'll be a smarter Democrat.

02:02:36.000 If you grew up in this same, but in a Republican, you'll be a smarter Republican.

02:02:41.000 However, maybe there are things in your environment that will make you switch.

02:02:45.000 Yeah, maybe you hate your dad. 1.00

02:02:46.000 You're like, fuck him, I'm going to be a Democrat. 1.00

02:02:48.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:02:48.000 We don't know, but your brain has no way... 1.00

02:02:52.000 So sometimes there's a show on TV like Evil Genius. 0.66

02:02:55.000 The guy, how come he's so smart but he's an evil?

02:03:00.000 That comes to what we talk about.

02:03:03.000 Good, bad.

02:03:04.000 There's no good, bad.

02:03:06.000 That's why when I fight, I fight guys like Nick Diaz or...

02:03:11.000 And I swear it's true.

02:03:13.000 Let's say I drive my car and I see he has a problem with his car, man.

02:03:15.000 I will stop to help him.

02:03:17.000 Even though he was not nice.

02:03:19.000 Whoever it is, I will do it.

02:03:22.000 Because for me, it's...

02:03:24.000 It's not that I'm nice.

02:03:25.000 It's the way I think.

02:03:27.000 It's who you are.

02:03:29.000 Exactly.

02:03:29.000 I have no choice to be like I am.

02:03:31.000 It is what it is.

02:03:32.000 I've gotten better at that as I've gotten older.

02:03:34.000 Better at forgiving people and not holding grudges and not being upset at people.

02:03:39.000 If I see someone that I had a problem with in the past, just give them a hug.

02:03:42.000 I don't care.

02:03:45.000 It's not healthy to carry around grudges.

02:03:47.000 And it makes you feel good sometimes, too.

02:03:49.000 Yeah, it feels real good.

02:03:50.000 And it feels real bad to keep that hate and anger inside of you.

02:03:53.000 It festers away and you think of, well, if he says this, then I'm going to say that. 1.00

02:03:57.000 Fuck him. 1.00

02:03:57.000 He shouldn't have done this. 1.00

02:03:58.000 Well, I shouldn't have done that.

02:03:59.000 But yeah, but I only did that because he did this. 0.99

02:04:01.000 And you have these little stupid arguments in your head instead of just saying hi and just being friendly or saying you're sorry or saying, hey, man, I don't have a problem with you. 0.99

02:04:10.000 There's a guy that... 1.00

02:04:13.000 A few years ago, I drove my car on the street in Montreal.

02:04:17.000 It's like in the evening.

02:04:18.000 I see a tall guy coming at me and he asked for, he begged for money.

02:04:23.000 Put down my window.

02:04:25.000 This guy, I swear it's true story.

02:04:28.000 He's the guy that used to bully me in school.

02:04:31.000 Whoa.

02:04:32.000 I say, I don't want to say his name, but I say, hey, wait a second.

02:04:35.000 I park my name.

02:04:36.000 I park my car.

02:04:37.000 Park the car.

02:04:38.000 Go talk to him.

02:04:39.000 I say, what the hell are you doing here, man?

02:04:40.000 He's like, And he thought I would be angry because when he see me, he saw his reaction. 0.86

02:04:46.000 He's like, shoot, now I'm world champion. 0.68

02:04:48.000 I can beat him up.

02:04:51.000 Back in the day, he was three years older than me.

02:04:53.000 He was bigger.

02:04:54.000 He was beating me up in the bus, this guy.

02:04:56.000 Now he see me.

02:04:57.000 He's kind of scared.

02:04:57.000 I get out of my car.

02:04:58.000 He don't know if he should run or not.

02:05:00.000 I go to him.

02:05:01.000 I say, what you do here, man?

02:05:05.000 He's like, yeah, I know, but things doesn't go well for me.

02:05:09.000 I'm like, I was like, alright.

02:05:12.000 He's like, man, you're a tall guy, you're good looking.

02:05:14.000 He's like, what are you doing here, man?

02:05:16.000 He's like, I give him what I have left on me, you know?

02:05:19.000 Like, I don't remember, like a hundred something.

02:05:22.000 I give him.

02:05:23.000 I say, get out of here, man.

02:05:24.000 He's like, you're full of potential.

02:05:25.000 He's like, get out of here, man.

02:05:27.000 When I was young, when I wanted to be like you, you're a tall guy, man.

02:05:31.000 You're good looking.

02:05:32.000 He's like, full of potential.

02:05:34.000 So he...

02:05:36.000 He's like, no problem.

02:05:37.000 Then he says, thank you, George.

02:05:39.000 You get out and I don't hear about him.

02:05:44.000 A few weeks, a few months later, I go to my apartment house for having dinner.

02:05:49.000 Then my dad says, hey, you know who came to the house a few days ago?

02:05:54.000 This guy.

02:05:55.000 I'm like, yeah, I met him.

02:05:56.000 He said, yeah, he said you met him in the street, but now he said he came to thank you.

02:06:01.000 He came, he wanted to talk to you, but I said you don't live here, and I didn't want to give you a number, but he said...

02:06:06.000 He said, look, he said, George, he talked to me.

02:06:08.000 And he said, he changed my life.

02:06:10.000 Now I have a job and I feel good.

02:06:11.000 I just want to say thank you to him.

02:06:14.000 And it feels so good.

02:06:17.000 Just when I met him and I didn't get angry at him, because it was still there.

02:06:22.000 He did very bad stuff to me when I was young.

02:06:24.000 But when I see him, it made me feel good.

02:06:26.000 Kind of a relief now.

02:06:29.000 This guy, when I was young, he was beating me up in the bus all the time.

02:06:32.000 He was ridiculizing me.

02:06:34.000 I had like Adidas pants that you can tie it like this.

02:06:36.000 He was like taken off.

02:06:38.000 So I was like in underwear in front of everybody, in front of the girl.

02:06:41.000 He was beating me up all the time.

02:06:42.000 And he was stronger than me.

02:06:44.000 He was like three, four years older than me.

02:06:46.000 And he was tall and strong guy.

02:06:48.000 He's a hockey player back in the day.

02:06:50.000 And I couldn't beat him.

02:06:52.000 Even with martial arts, he was always stronger than me.

02:06:55.000 He hurt me a lot like back in the day.

02:06:59.000 My dad, one time, I got beat up in the bus.

02:07:02.000 I told him, because I came back with a black eye.

02:07:04.000 One time in my life, I told my dad what happened.

02:07:07.000 I never said anything, but I said to my dad, I said, yeah, he's a guy in the bus.

02:07:10.000 He beat me up.

02:07:11.000 I said, I tell him the name of the guy.

02:07:12.000 So my dad, what he did...

02:07:16.000 He found out where...

02:07:18.000 I'm from countryside, so everybody knows who everybody lives.

02:07:21.000 He goes to the house.

02:07:23.000 He talked to the dad.

02:07:24.000 He said, listen, stop.

02:07:26.000 Can you tell your son to stop hitting my son in the bus because he needs to be focused on the school?

02:07:32.000 And the dad...

02:07:33.000 When my dad came back, he said, hey, I want to talk to his dad.

02:07:36.000 He's going to stop.

02:07:36.000 So he said that his dad was, like, drinking and stuff.

02:07:39.000 And he was beating the shit out of his son. 0.99

02:07:42.000 So the way... 0.99

02:07:45.000 This guy learned to communicate through his dad was beating him up.

02:07:50.000 He was drunk and beating him up.

02:07:52.000 That's the way he was communicating with me.

02:07:56.000 He was beating me up because he learned the same way from his dad to communicate.

02:08:02.000 So I was just...

02:08:04.000 Happened to be at the right, the wrong time at the right time in his life at the perfect, you know, I was the guy that was getting beat.

02:08:11.000 So when you say good and bad, he was not a bad person.

02:08:15.000 To my...

02:08:17.000 Version of life.

02:08:18.000 From my perspective, he was a terrible person back then.

02:08:21.000 He was terrible. 1.00

02:08:22.000 I wanted to kill him. 1.00

02:08:24.000 He made my school time miserable. 1.00

02:08:27.000 I was humiliated all the time.

02:08:29.000 I was getting beat up.

02:08:30.000 I was a very proud person.

02:08:32.000 I used to go fight him all the time because I was proud.

02:08:37.000 At one point, I fought him so many times. 0.84

02:08:38.000 He said, this guy is completely insane. 0.91

02:08:40.000 I stopped bothering him.

02:08:41.000 Because I was never giving up, even though I was getting beat up all the time.

02:08:45.000 But to my own eyes, he was a bad person.

02:08:48.000 But through his eyes, it was a different story.

02:08:50.000 And through his father, it was a different story.

02:08:54.000 Everybody, it was a different story.

02:08:56.000 Just to say that when I met him, like what we talk about, it feels so good.

02:09:00.000 Just to meet him in the street and make kind of a piece and give him money.

02:09:04.000 Like, yeah, you beat me up.

02:09:06.000 But you know what?

02:09:07.000 Even though you did that...

02:09:08.000 I give you the money, and it makes me feel like I'm kind of a revenge.

02:09:14.000 Better than a revenge.

02:09:15.000 It makes me feel like, yeah, man, you see, without me, you wouldn't have nothing maybe to sleep or eat tonight.

02:09:21.000 So I give it to you.

02:09:22.000 I still give it to you if you do that to me.

02:09:24.000 That makes me feel much better than if I would beat him up.

02:09:28.000 Yeah.

02:09:29.000 And don't you think that maybe that guy and him doing that to you is one of the reasons why you became a champion?

02:09:37.000 Because you got into martial arts very heavily because of being bullied.

02:09:41.000 Yeah, because I was beating up in school.

02:09:43.000 Maybe it was.

02:09:44.000 But he was not the only guy that was beating me up.

02:09:46.000 All his friends.

02:09:47.000 But he was kind of the guy that was all the girl liked.

02:09:52.000 And he was like the taller, stronger guy.

02:09:53.000 So he was kind of the alpha guy at the time.

02:09:58.000 Maybe it was an influence.

02:09:59.000 Like I said, I don't believe only one thing influenced me, but it's many things, many causes that make that happen, but maybe it's one of the causes, yes.

02:10:08.000 Yeah.

02:10:09.000 That's crazy.

02:10:10.000 I could be wrong, I could be right, but that's my philosophy in life.

02:10:13.000 That's how I think.

02:10:14.000 So everybody says, oh, George, you're a true martial artist, you're a good guy.

02:10:18.000 I say, thank you.

02:10:19.000 I don't have the time to explain to them everything I just told you.

02:10:23.000 Right, right, right.

02:10:24.000 But that's how I think.

02:10:25.000 When they say, you're a good guy, I was like, thank you. 0.99

02:10:28.000 I'm not a fucking good guy. 0.96

02:10:30.000 I'm me. 0.97

02:10:31.000 I'm myself.

02:10:32.000 I am the I am.

02:10:33.000 But it makes me happy when people say that.

02:10:35.000 But you are a good guy.

02:10:36.000 You try to be a good guy.

02:10:37.000 I try to be.

02:10:38.000 Because that's who you are.

02:10:39.000 Yeah, I try to be.

02:10:40.000 Because that's who you are.

02:10:41.000 I try to be a good model, a good role model.

02:10:44.000 I think it's important for me.

02:10:45.000 Through my value that I've been raised.

02:10:48.000 But it doesn't mean...

02:10:51.000 I don't like other guys.

02:10:52.000 The guys that I like the most to watch their fight, they're not the good guys.

02:10:57.000 My favorite fighters to watch are not the good guys.

02:11:00.000 Charles Sonnen, I like to watch him.

02:11:03.000 Nick Diaz, I like to watch Nick Diaz.

02:11:06.000 I like Conor McGregor when he fights, I like him.

02:11:09.000 The good guys are boring, man.

02:11:11.000 They're boring guys.

02:11:12.000 They make me fall asleep.

02:11:13.000 I like the drama.

02:11:14.000 Even though I don't act like it, I like it.

02:11:18.000 I know it's completely contradictory.

02:11:21.000 I love the Tito Ortiz back in the day.

02:11:24.000 He was my favorite.

02:11:25.000 Man, Tito Ortiz, man, he was amazing.

02:11:28.000 He came with his flag like bad guy, man.

02:11:31.000 I loved it, man.

02:11:33.000 Star Wars, I love the Sith Lord.

02:11:35.000 They're much more charismatic than the Jedi.

02:11:38.000 Are you kidding me?

02:11:39.000 It's Jedi.

02:11:40.000 Karate Kid, the new Karate Kid.

02:11:42.000 I watched the first episode.

02:11:43.000 I'm hoping Daniel San gets beat up all the time. 0.99

02:11:47.000 Johnny Lawrence, I hope he smash his head. 0.99

02:11:49.000 He didn't do it. 0.99

02:11:51.000 So, you know what I mean?

02:11:53.000 Did that make me a bad person?

02:11:55.000 No!

02:11:56.000 It's different.

02:11:57.000 That's how you see things.

02:11:59.000 Right, when you see a lion chasing a gazelle, do you root for the gazelle?

02:12:02.000 I hope the lion catches the gazelle.

02:12:04.000 Yes, exactly.

02:12:06.000 Is that good or bad?

02:12:07.000 People don't eat meat.

02:12:09.000 It's not natural.

02:12:11.000 It's like, what is natural?

02:12:12.000 What is not natural, man?

02:12:13.000 It's an interesting conversation.

02:12:15.000 When you talk about this, people think, oh, St. Pierre, he just got hit in the head too many times, but...

02:12:20.000 It's just not now my English is good.

02:12:23.000 I can communicate it through it with you.

02:12:26.000 It's easier.

02:12:27.000 I feel more comfortable.

02:12:28.000 And it is what it is.

02:12:30.000 But that's why I like it because you're a person too.

02:12:34.000 I'm kind of a big fan of you too.

02:12:36.000 And I know you.

02:12:37.000 I didn't know that in the beginning when I first knew you.

02:12:39.000 But now I know that That you get interested in the same thing that I am interested.

02:12:45.000 And what I like about you, Joe, is you don't give a damn.

02:12:48.000 You do whatever.

02:12:49.000 You have no boss.

02:12:50.000 You do whatever you want, whenever you want, with who you want.

02:12:53.000 And me, I respect that.

02:12:54.000 It's kind of a code.

02:12:55.000 You have your own code that you do, and I respect that.

02:12:59.000 I like human beings like this.

02:13:00.000 I like to be...

02:13:03.000 With human beings like this.

02:13:05.000 Guys, I have no code, I don't like this.

02:13:07.000 My circle of friends is short.

02:13:09.000 I have a few guys I like.

02:13:13.000 I'm diplomatic with a lot of people, but I'm not friends with a lot of people.

02:13:18.000 I'm diplomatic because I have to be for my work, for my business, for the person I am, and I don't like confrontation, so I'm diplomatic.

02:13:25.000 But it doesn't mean I like everybody, you know?

02:13:27.000 Well, I think your relationships that you have with people, the exchanges you have with people, it's very important to keep only positive, influential, strong people around you because you learn and you grow from those people.

02:13:40.000 They give you fuel.

02:13:41.000 When you're around people who are inspirational or doing interesting things, who live their life by a code, who are ambitious, who succeed, who try hard, difficult things, Those are the people that inspire and give you energy.

02:13:54.000 And I feel better around them.

02:13:56.000 I feel like I get energy from them.

02:13:58.000 Versus people that are always making excuses and people that are always falling short.

02:14:02.000 People that fail all the time and people that complain all the time.

02:14:05.000 Those people are the opposite.

02:14:07.000 And those people, they take away from you.

02:14:09.000 And you're around them.

02:14:10.000 You're just like, I just got to get away from this guy.

02:14:12.000 However, it doesn't mean...

02:14:14.000 That the good people that you have in your life will always be the good people for different situations.

02:14:20.000 Example, before a fight, my families, I stay the hell away from them.

02:14:27.000 I'm gonna explain to you why.

02:14:29.000 Because my family, they care about me.

02:14:31.000 I remember before a fight, before I used to go eat with my parents and my family, it used to be like the last dinner.

02:14:38.000 They eat their soup, they look at me like, Are you okay?

02:14:43.000 You feel good?

02:14:44.000 You're not sick, huh?

02:14:48.000 Before I fight, I need to feel like I'm going to war with my soldier.

02:14:52.000 I need to feel that what I'm doing, it's normal, even though it's not.

02:14:56.000 So when I hang out with my family, they have a normal life.

02:15:00.000 So what I do, they see me like an outcast. 0.94

02:15:02.000 I feel like, man, he's completely insane. 0.86

02:15:04.000 He's about to go fight in a cage. 1.00

02:15:05.000 He can die. 0.98

02:15:06.000 Oh, my God.

02:15:07.000 And I feel that because they love me.

02:15:10.000 So my family before the fight, I stay away from them.

02:15:12.000 I stay away from a lot of the people that I love, that are my circle of friends, or real people I love, like family.

02:15:19.000 And I bring back closer to people like Faraz, John, the fighters, guys.

02:15:25.000 Even guys that are maybe not as much as my friends.

02:15:29.000 To understand the mentality.

02:15:30.000 Yes!

02:15:30.000 So it makes me feel normal.

02:15:33.000 It makes me feel strong because we're going to war.

02:15:35.000 When you're going to war, you don't bring your wife, your kid, your family.

02:15:41.000 You bring the people that you're going to war with.

02:15:44.000 You know what I mean?

02:15:45.000 It's very important for me.

02:15:46.000 So it's...

02:15:49.000 Depending what's going on, I believe, good and bad people, you know?

02:15:53.000 It's not always good, not always bad, depending their context, you know?

02:15:55.000 Yeah.

02:15:56.000 No, that makes a lot of sense.

02:15:57.000 That makes a lot of sense.

02:15:59.000 Especially them being nervous about your fight.

02:16:02.000 That energy is contagious.

02:16:04.000 Bro, I'm already nervous like it is.

02:16:06.000 I don't want to be more nervous.

02:16:09.000 And I hate, I hate, like...

02:16:11.000 I hate fighting.

02:16:13.000 People say, no, you don't.

02:16:14.000 I really do.

02:16:15.000 And I know maybe a lot of people don't believe me, but I'm going to try and explain the best I can.

02:16:23.000 In every job, there's no perfect job.

02:16:26.000 Do you agree?

02:16:28.000 There's no perfect job that you like everything about it.

02:16:33.000 It's impossible.

02:16:35.000 My job as a professional athlete in mixed martial art, on 365 days, I fight.

02:16:43.000 Normally when I was very active, I used to fight twice a year approximately.

02:16:46.000 Not more than that.

02:16:48.000 I never wanted to more than that because I wanted to stretch.

02:16:50.000 Especially when you want to stretch when you're a champion because...

02:16:53.000 It's better for advertising, also for longevity and everything.

02:16:59.000 So more time, more money, more business-wise and everything, and longevity.

02:17:03.000 So about twice a year.

02:17:06.000 In 365 days, there's two days that I hate the most.

02:17:10.000 It's the day that I'm fighting.

02:17:11.000 It's freaking unbearable. 0.83

02:17:14.000 The feeling of uncertainty that you don't know if you're going to be humiliated, you're going to be the victor, you're going to be the loser.

02:17:22.000 I care so much about it that it's freaking unbearable.

02:17:25.000 As much as I try to dismiss it, it's unbearable.

02:17:30.000 However, I like the fact that I'm a free man.

02:17:32.000 I'm my own boss.

02:17:33.000 I do whatever I have.

02:17:35.000 I have access to certain things, like VIP stuff that most people don't.

02:17:40.000 My quality of life, the money.

02:17:43.000 I didn't have it before, now I do.

02:17:46.000 I love my job.

02:17:47.000 I'm very happy about my job.

02:17:49.000 But there is a thing about my job that I hate the most is fighting. 0.92

02:17:53.000 I freaking hate.

02:17:54.000 I love the study of fighting. 0.69

02:17:57.000 I love the science of it.

02:17:58.000 How I'm the tactical, the physical.

02:18:00.000 I love to train.

02:18:01.000 I love to walk in a room and feel strong.

02:18:03.000 I know if something happens, I'm the man.

02:18:05.000 Even though it's an illusion because with a bullet, nobody's faster than this.

02:18:10.000 But I like that lifestyle.

02:18:13.000 I do it for the lifestyle, for what it is.

02:18:16.000 I don't do it for the fight.

02:18:18.000 I freaking hate to fight.

02:18:19.000 I had this talk with Rory McDonald at one point.

02:18:21.000 I was like, hey, why do you like fighting?

02:18:22.000 Oh, I guess I like to fight.

02:18:23.000 He said, you like to fight? 1.00

02:18:24.000 He's like, fuck no, I don't like to fight. 1.00

02:18:26.000 And everybody in the room turned around, they look at me like I'm crazy. 1.00

02:18:29.000 I'm like, you guys are all crazy. 0.99

02:18:32.000 You think I like to fight in a cage in front of millions of people, maybe get humiliated, knocked out, or die? 1.00

02:18:37.000 Are you crazy? 0.98

02:18:38.000 I don't like to fight. 1.00

02:18:39.000 Are you nuts? 0.98

02:18:41.000 I like to win. 0.96

02:18:42.000 When you win, the feeling is unbelievable.

02:18:45.000 It's so good that it's worth this.

02:18:49.000 Yeah.

02:18:50.000 But I hate it, man.

02:18:53.000 Do you hate the day of the fight up until the fight?

02:18:57.000 But once the fight starts, how do you feel?

02:18:59.000 Once it starts...

02:19:01.000 No, no, no, no.

02:19:02.000 When it starts, it's gone.

02:19:03.000 All this is gone.

02:19:04.000 All the anticipation's gone, right?

02:19:05.000 I hate the day.

02:19:07.000 The build-up.

02:19:08.000 The day.

02:19:09.000 And the closer I get to the day, I love it, but I start to hate it more.

02:19:15.000 It's like a hate that build-up, like a bubble of hate.

02:19:20.000 And by the time that it's time to freaking walk out, like the many seconds that it's time to walk out, And like Burt Watson used to be the guy who used to kick out the door.

02:19:32.000 Saint-Pierre, you ready?

02:19:35.000 No, he's not there anymore, unfortunately.

02:19:37.000 I used to like, but he used to give me the...

02:19:39.000 We're rolling!

02:19:40.000 We're rolling, bubble!

02:19:43.000 Come on, baby. 0.97

02:19:44.000 So I used...

02:19:45.000 It's like a bubble that built up in my stomach that hate, hate, hate, and I freaking hate. 0.99

02:19:50.000 I'm even in the locker room before the fight, and I fucking hate it. 0.94

02:19:54.000 My last fight, I... It's crazy. 0.98

02:19:57.000 I saw my friend, Eamon, got knocked out, and I go at the dinner.

02:20:02.000 Everybody's like dead people, like this...

02:20:04.000 And I see something is wrong.

02:20:06.000 I said, what's wrong?

02:20:07.000 They told themselves before I get in the room, don't tell them that Amen lost.

02:20:12.000 Don't tell him it's going to affect him.

02:20:14.000 So I get in the room and my friend Eddie, who wasn't there when they told each other, first thing he says to me is like in the room, he's like, hey, Amen lost.

02:20:23.000 I'm like, oh, is it okay physically?

02:20:24.000 He's like, yeah, it's okay. 0.99

02:20:25.000 And everybody's like, holy shit. 1.00

02:20:27.000 So Amen lost. 1.00

02:20:28.000 I remember Joe Duffy lost.

02:20:30.000 Mickey Gall lost.

02:20:31.000 So I go in my locker room.

02:20:33.000 I see one guy with the ice bag. 0.99

02:20:35.000 The other guy is all fucked up like this. 0.99

02:20:38.000 I'm like, man, all my locker room lose, man. 1.00

02:20:41.000 Holy shit! 0.99

02:20:42.000 I freaking hate this job, man. 1.00

02:20:45.000 Then I'm thinking, it's like, everybody tried to make me think, like, oh, it's going to be good.

02:20:50.000 It's one of my agents, like, don't worry, it's going to be fine.

02:20:53.000 It's like, it's okay, man.

02:20:55.000 Don't talk to me like this.

02:20:56.000 I choose to be here.

02:20:57.000 I'm a warrior.

02:20:58.000 I said, go sit now.

02:21:00.000 It's going to be fine.

02:21:01.000 Like, I want to be a warrior.

02:21:02.000 You're an agent.

02:21:02.000 You don't want to talk to them.

02:21:03.000 Yeah.

02:21:04.000 Oh, it's going to be fine.

02:21:05.000 Don't worry.

02:21:05.000 They're the worst.

02:21:05.000 How the fuck do you know?

02:21:07.000 They go like this. 0.99

02:21:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:21:08.000 How the fuck do you know? 0.99

02:21:09.000 Like, when I put my news the first time, they go like this guy. 0.99

02:21:11.000 They grab me, like...

02:21:14.000 Don't worry, George is going to be fine.

02:21:15.000 They look at each other like...

02:21:17.000 Like he's fighting by a deal.

02:21:18.000 He slam everybody on his head all he should.

02:21:21.000 I'm feeling like I'm going to a cemetery.

02:21:25.000 Like someone just died.

02:21:27.000 So I'm in the locker room. 0.59

02:21:28.000 Everybody freaking lose. 0.99

02:21:29.000 I'm like, damn. 0.99

02:21:30.000 Then I'm like... 0.99

02:21:31.000 Shake it up.

02:21:32.000 I go in the bathroom by myself.

02:21:34.000 I go look at myself in the mirror.

02:21:35.000 And that's what I do before the fight.

02:21:38.000 I used James Lange theory.

02:21:40.000 Who?

02:21:41.000 James Lange.

02:21:42.000 They say that the spirit can dictate your mind.

02:21:45.000 They say you're thirsty.

02:21:47.000 Your mind tells I'm thirsty.

02:21:48.000 You grab the water and your spirit can dictate your mind, but your mind can dictate your spirit.

02:21:53.000 So I go in the bathroom.

02:21:55.000 I close the door.

02:21:56.000 People think I go to the bathroom to piss or whatever, but I don't. 0.99

02:21:59.000 I close the door and I say, now I see a lot of negative shit. 0.98

02:22:02.000 I go in front of the mirror and I say to myself, I say, I try to convince myself, like a kid, you know, like... 0.99

02:22:09.000 I'm the greatest!

02:22:10.000 I'm the strongest!

02:22:11.000 And I think of it looking at me.

02:22:14.000 I'm this.

02:22:14.000 I'm beautiful.

02:22:15.000 I'm strong.

02:22:16.000 I'm this.

02:22:17.000 I'm faster.

02:22:18.000 I'm stronger.

02:22:18.000 I'm gonna win.

02:22:19.000 It's like these young guys, they lose, but I'm gonna show them the way to do it, you know?

02:22:24.000 Maybe they fail, but I won't.

02:22:26.000 I'm gonna show everybody how it should be done, man.

02:22:29.000 So I come back in the gym with the glory to show them that I achieved it, and that's how it should be done.

02:22:35.000 They're gonna follow me, man.

02:22:37.000 So I try to boost myself.

02:22:39.000 Open the door, go back.

02:22:41.000 I still hate my job, but I'm a different person than when I got in the door.

02:22:45.000 So I play with mind games like this with myself all the time.

02:22:49.000 It's stuff that tries to change your attitude.

02:22:53.000 And it's very important for a fighter because the confidence is a key for a fighter.

02:22:58.000 Some guys, they do stuff...

02:23:01.000 Very basic in a fight, but they do it.

02:23:02.000 When they do it, they do it so good and they believe in it.

02:23:05.000 They don't hesitate.

02:23:06.000 And you have no room for hesitation in a fight.

02:23:08.000 You go 100%.

02:23:09.000 And when you go 100% with confidence, that's when the magic can happen.

02:23:14.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:15.000 If you have the skills...

02:23:18.000 But you don't have the confidence.

02:23:21.000 John says that.

02:23:22.000 You have the skills and you have no confidence.

02:23:24.000 It's like having money and you don't spend it.

02:23:27.000 That's what John Denaro told me.

02:23:29.000 But if you have the confidence without the skills, it's not good too.

02:23:33.000 It's like a dream that cannot be achieved.

02:23:35.000 You don't have any way together.

02:23:36.000 But if you have both.

02:23:38.000 That's when the magic can happen.

02:23:39.000 I remember when John says that to me all the time.

02:23:41.000 So you have the skill and you have the confidence.

02:23:43.000 And confidence is not a choice.

02:23:47.000 Confidence is not a state of mind.

02:23:49.000 It's a choice, man.

02:23:50.000 You can build it in your head.

02:23:52.000 When something bad happens, you build it and work.

02:23:55.000 Try to work on your person to build it.

02:23:57.000 This is something you can work on yourself, you know?

02:23:59.000 And that's why I've been doing...

02:24:01.000 Yeah, it's like all these other things you're saying.

02:24:04.000 There's no one answer to how all this is done.

02:24:07.000 All those pieces have to come together.

02:24:09.000 All those pieces have to be together in order for you to be able to just go out there and do it.

02:24:13.000 But I love the fact that you say that you don't like it.

02:24:16.000 I freaking hate it, man.

02:24:17.000 I hate it, probably.

02:24:18.000 Even in the locker room when I got there, when I got there that night, like every other night that I'm fighting, ask my agent, ask even Ferraz.

02:24:27.000 I always tell my look at him, I was like, so what the hell I'm doing here? 0.99

02:24:31.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:24:32.000 I'm so stupid. 1.00

02:24:33.000 I should have, oh my God. 1.00

02:24:35.000 And we always laugh at it because now it become at the point that I know I know it.

02:24:42.000 People say, with experience, do you become more courageous?

02:24:46.000 Do you become, how do you say, do you lose the fear?

02:24:49.000 You don't lose the fear.

02:24:50.000 You never lose the fear.

02:24:51.000 You learn how to deal with it.

02:24:53.000 You accept it.

02:24:55.000 Before, I did not accept it.

02:24:57.000 In my earlier fight, Like Matthews, my first time I found Matthews, man, I was fighting this monument, this, oh my God.

02:25:04.000 I didn't sleep for the week, man. 0.89

02:25:06.000 I came like a freaking zombie. 0.71

02:25:08.000 I was like, oh my God. 0.68

02:25:09.000 Even in the start down, I couldn't even look at him.

02:25:11.000 I looked up like this.

02:25:13.000 I couldn't imagine myself.

02:25:15.000 I knew I was going to lose.

02:25:17.000 The confidence was not there.

02:25:19.000 I have the skill, but it's not the confidence.

02:25:21.000 So it's very important, the confidence.

02:25:23.000 For a fighter, confidence is very important.

02:25:26.000 That's why you have guys in the gym that are very good in the gym.

02:25:29.000 They get into a fight. 0.99

02:25:30.000 They're a shitty fighter. 1.00

02:25:32.000 They're king in the gym. 1.00

02:25:33.000 They go in a fight.

02:25:33.000 All that stuff crush them.

02:25:37.000 You have guys that are normal in the gym.

02:25:40.000 I've seen guys in UFC, they fight in UFC, they're freaking bad. 0.99

02:25:44.000 I can't say for the respect, but I spar with them and they suck. 0.98

02:25:48.000 When they fight, they do stuff that it's amazing.

02:25:52.000 I'm like, I didn't even know that wasn't his repertoire of technique that he just did a katagatami or something.

02:25:58.000 I'm like, man, it's amazing.

02:25:59.000 I didn't even know he knew that because of confidence, man.

02:26:04.000 And when you have both the skill and the confidence, you see like John Jones, man, he's magic, man.

02:26:08.000 You go there, pop!

02:26:10.000 Spinning freaking elbows and stuff. 0.97

02:26:12.000 He don't hesitate. 0.96

02:26:13.000 He goes, man.

02:26:14.000 Yara Rodriguez is amazing.

02:26:17.000 Stuff like that.

02:26:18.000 It's just beautiful to watch, you know?

02:26:19.000 And I really like that.

02:26:20.000 The new generation, man, is scary as hell.

02:26:23.000 Oh, my God.

02:26:25.000 Which fight excites you more?

02:26:26.000 Conor or Khabib?

02:26:29.000 Those are the two fights.

02:26:30.000 If I was going to make a fight for you...

02:26:31.000 Right now, it's like the big fight.

02:26:33.000 The thing is, Khabib called me out.

02:26:37.000 Physically now, it's not a good time for me.

02:26:40.000 I need to weigh a little bit.

02:26:42.000 However, I feel the 155 division now is Conor is the champion.

02:26:48.000 There's Ferguson, but I think Ferguson is out.

02:26:50.000 And there's other guys too.

02:26:52.000 But there's the two guys, Conor and Khabib.

02:26:56.000 Khabib now, I think, is the champion, but he needs to fight maybe Conor or to be like...

02:27:04.000 The real champion.

02:27:05.000 He's the real champion.

02:27:06.000 I don't like to say the real not champion.

02:27:08.000 Well, it's a problem.

02:27:09.000 And my opinion on the belt is really different than most people think.

02:27:12.000 I don't even think it should be a belt.

02:27:14.000 I think it should be a fight.

02:27:15.000 But it is what it is.

02:27:16.000 I agree with you on that.

02:27:18.000 Make fun fight.

02:27:19.000 There's no belt.

02:27:20.000 Like I said, you cannot be the strongest man in the world.

02:27:23.000 It's an illusion.

02:27:24.000 The belt, it elevates someone like you think he's a god, he's the strongest man.

02:27:30.000 No, he's not.

02:27:31.000 What's a good marketing tool?

02:27:32.000 That 8th rank guy that can beat you, but maybe he cannot beat the 7 other in front of you.

02:27:38.000 You know what I mean?

02:27:40.000 The 6 other.

02:27:41.000 So, I don't know how it could be done.

02:27:44.000 It's bad to criticize a system if you don't suggest any alternative.

02:27:48.000 I know it's bad what I do, but...

02:27:51.000 Well, the problem is the system's in flux anyway, right?

02:27:54.000 Because Tony was the interim champion, and he didn't do anything to lose it.

02:27:57.000 All he did was fall down while doing press obligations to tear his knee apart.

02:28:01.000 Then you have Conor, who just didn't defend it, and then they stripped him.

02:28:05.000 And so you're going to give it to...

02:28:08.000 Khabib, but he's fighting Al Iaquinta, who ordinarily wouldn't be fighting for the title.

02:28:14.000 So why does he have the potential to fight for the title?

02:28:17.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:28:18.000 They just had to do it for this event, because they had this big event in Brooklyn, and they had to have a champion.

02:28:23.000 So they decided this is how they're going to do it.

02:28:27.000 You've got to be careful when you make decisions like that.

02:28:29.000 Because you, in many people's eyes, in the eyes of the purists, you delegitimize.

02:28:35.000 You lose value.

02:28:36.000 Yes.

02:28:36.000 I agree, 100%.

02:28:37.000 You lose value, too.

02:28:38.000 Especially what I did lose value, too.

02:28:41.000 Fight and drink.

02:28:44.000 Left. 0.99

02:28:45.000 They freakin' hate my guts. 0.97

02:28:46.000 That's why I hate it. 0.83

02:28:47.000 See, I don't think so, though, because I think...

02:28:49.000 It's not good for the brand.

02:28:51.000 It's not good.

02:28:51.000 And I know it's not good.

02:28:53.000 I'm not stupid.

02:28:53.000 I realize it.

02:28:54.000 But I had no choice, man.

02:28:55.000 I go back there.

02:28:56.000 I'm not in condition.

02:28:57.000 You know what I mean?

02:28:58.000 Yeah, but I think it all worked out.

02:29:00.000 Robbie Lawler won the title.

02:29:02.000 And then Robbie Lawler lost the title to Tyrone Woodley.

02:29:04.000 Nobody doesn't think that Tyrone Woodley is the legitimate champion because you retired.

02:29:08.000 No, I mean, it's a clear path.

02:29:10.000 It makes sense.

02:29:12.000 No, no, I understand.

02:29:13.000 It's the same thing.

02:29:13.000 Like I said, it's not WWE, man.

02:29:15.000 I have to do what is the best for me.

02:29:17.000 And I don't regret my decision.

02:29:19.000 I regret that I stayed too long.

02:29:21.000 I should have retired.

02:29:22.000 Maybe take my first stop after Diaz.

02:29:26.000 Because Diaz was the fight, the big fight.

02:29:29.000 You know what I mean?

02:29:30.000 It was the main guy, you know, to fight then after.

02:29:33.000 But there's always a guy, Joe.

02:29:36.000 That's the thing. 0.98

02:29:36.000 There's always another freaking guy. 0.98

02:29:38.000 That's the way this sport, you know, we always believe that after that wall, it will be no wall. 0.96

02:29:44.000 But no, man, there's always another, another, another, another.

02:29:47.000 And I realize that.

02:29:49.000 And every fight are more expected than other and are bigger than other.

02:29:53.000 And it is what it is, man.

02:29:54.000 It is what it is.

02:29:56.000 It's a very hard life mentally.

02:29:59.000 Depending on how you're wired, psychologically, for me, it was a lot to take.

02:30:03.000 It's a lot to take for me.

02:30:05.000 I have a theory about that.

02:30:06.000 One of the reasons why it's a lot to take is because you're smart.

02:30:09.000 I think smart people, they entertain all the possibilities.

02:30:12.000 They think about all the possibilities.

02:30:14.000 They're aware of all the variables.

02:30:15.000 I'm a thinker.

02:30:17.000 I think a lot.

02:30:17.000 Yes, I analyze.

02:30:18.000 I think a lot.

02:30:19.000 I mean, it's good because it's prepared you very well and it's made you this incredible martial artist.

02:30:24.000 But it also creates a lot of anxiety because you're aware of all the possibilities. 0.97

02:30:28.000 Whereas a person who doesn't think that much is just, I'm just going to go in there and fuck people up.

02:30:32.000 That person might have an easier path to fight, but they might also have a shorter, limited potential. 0.90

02:30:38.000 Absolutely.

02:30:38.000 Because they're not aware of all the possibilities, and they're not aware of all their flaws, and they're not aware of all their strengths and weaknesses.

02:30:44.000 They just know what they've done that's worked, and they just keep doing that.

02:30:48.000 And instead of developing this incredibly well-rounded game, they have a very, very limited game.

02:30:54.000 But that limited game works on some people.

02:30:57.000 I agree.

02:30:59.000 The sport in general, it's kind of not fair when you look at it.

02:31:03.000 You look like Demetrius Johnson is probably right now the best.

02:31:07.000 Ever.

02:31:08.000 The best ever, yeah, I agree.

02:31:10.000 Man, when I talk about...

02:31:12.000 Confidence and skills, man.

02:31:14.000 What is the better guy than this?

02:31:17.000 What better guy than this?

02:31:19.000 Dominic Cruz.

02:31:20.000 Freaking amazing.

02:31:22.000 Man, T.J. Dillesha.

02:31:24.000 That's one fight.

02:31:25.000 Look, I don't watch every fight, okay?

02:31:27.000 I don't watch every fight.

02:31:30.000 Because I'm not a fan of every fighter.

02:31:32.000 But if there's a fight that I will pay my own ticket to sit in front and fly myself is Dominic...

02:31:40.000 Dimitris Johnson against TJ Delecha.

02:31:44.000 Absolutely.

02:31:45.000 Man, it has to be done.

02:31:46.000 It has to be done.

02:31:48.000 Crazy!

02:31:49.000 I agree.

02:31:50.000 There's always things and factors that we don't know why it doesn't happen.

02:31:55.000 Maybe we don't know everything, unfortunately.

02:31:57.000 And...

02:32:00.000 Yeah, like back in the day, me and Anderson Silva, it's a lot of things, why it didn't happen?

02:32:04.000 There's stuff that people don't know that back in the day I taught and I wanted to take care of, and it didn't happen.

02:32:09.000 But this fight, man, is just crazy, man.

02:32:14.000 Sometimes it's sad in the sport, like you have a fight like Mayweather, Pacquiao, and it did not happen.

02:32:21.000 It sucked, but But it is what it is, you know?

02:32:23.000 Well, I think that Demetrius wants TJ Dillashaw to fight once at 125 pounds.

02:32:28.000 Show that he can make the weight.

02:32:29.000 Especially when he's dealing with this incredibly long win streak.

02:32:32.000 He's defended his title more than any other champion ever.

02:32:34.000 So he doesn't want someone to come along and break his win streak that doesn't even make the weight.

02:32:41.000 I have thought about this because I've been in a similar situation.

02:32:45.000 This is a way to take care of this.

02:32:48.000 With the lawyers, you write in the contract that if you don't make weight, there's no fight.

02:32:54.000 And the purse, you make the guy paying you a purse.

02:32:57.000 Not the UFC. Dillashaw will take the purse.

02:33:00.000 Give the purse. 1.00

02:33:01.000 You know what I mean?

02:33:02.000 Yeah.

02:33:03.000 No, I do.

02:33:03.000 You need to be game enough to do it.

02:33:05.000 It's a freaking risk. 0.54

02:33:06.000 Yeah.

02:33:07.000 Yeah, but I think Demetrius is worried that the UFC will pressure him into fighting TJ, even if TJ doesn't make the weight.

02:33:13.000 So if TJ misses weight...

02:33:15.000 For sure, for sure.

02:33:15.000 It will make him look bad in terms of with the fan base and his brand.

02:33:19.000 I agree.

02:33:20.000 However, he can make it through the lawyer.

02:33:22.000 If it's that much weight difference, there is no fight.

02:33:25.000 Right.

02:33:26.000 You know, there's always...

02:33:27.000 Fights, man, Joe, there's something I've learned.

02:33:30.000 Fight can be negotiated the way you want.

02:33:32.000 I can negotiate a fight, like, depending the laws...

02:33:36.000 Okay, I want you to wear pink Speedos when I fight you.

02:33:40.000 It's under contract.

02:33:40.000 You have to wear pink Speedos.

02:33:42.000 I want you to wear this or any, like, fifth round or if it's, everything could be done if it's written and by the law agreed.

02:33:53.000 Yeah.

02:33:54.000 It could be worked out.

02:33:55.000 I hope it will be worked out.

02:33:57.000 I'm saying this, guys.

02:33:58.000 Let's do it, man.

02:33:59.000 Let's go.

02:33:59.000 Well, I think right now the rematch is set for Cody Garbrandt versus TJ Dillashaw and Mighty Mouse just went through shoulder surgery.

02:34:06.000 So he's rehabilitating his shoulder.

02:34:08.000 That's going to take quite a while.

02:34:09.000 And there's Dominic Cruz doing the mix, man.

02:34:12.000 He's amazing.

02:34:13.000 He's amazing.

02:34:14.000 I like to watch him a lot.

02:34:15.000 Yeah, there's a lot of talent.

02:34:17.000 There's a lot of talent in the UFC right now.

02:34:19.000 The smaller guys are so much better than the bigger guys.

02:34:21.000 Like, I'm telling you the truth.

02:34:22.000 Like, if I would have the same size as this guy, man, I don't want to fight this guy, man. 0.99

02:34:27.000 They would beat the shit out of me. 0.99

02:34:29.000 Like, no, man. 1.00

02:34:29.000 Well, they don't have gravity fucking with them. 1.00

02:34:31.000 I agree. 0.99

02:34:32.000 They don't have the gravity.

02:34:33.000 They don't have the size.

02:34:35.000 But...

02:34:35.000 They're so good, man.

02:34:36.000 It's so good to watch them.

02:34:38.000 I'm learning a lot.

02:34:39.000 I watch a lot more of these guys in terms of for learning.

02:34:43.000 Yeah.

02:34:44.000 Man, how beautiful was that armbar that Demetrius Johnson did? 0.69

02:34:48.000 Crazy. 1.00

02:34:48.000 Shit, man. 1.00

02:34:49.000 It slammed. 1.00

02:34:50.000 Slammed to the armbar in the air and he totally practices that.

02:34:52.000 I practice it now.

02:34:53.000 I've been training.

02:34:54.000 Do you?

02:34:54.000 Yeah, I learned from these guys, man.

02:34:57.000 I learned from a lot of these guys.

02:34:58.000 T.J. De La Show, he switch, man, every time.

02:35:01.000 He's changing angles.

02:35:02.000 That's beautiful.

02:35:03.000 Dominic Cruz, man, his footwork.

02:35:05.000 Man, it's insane.

02:35:06.000 Have you ever trained with Dwayne Ludwig?

02:35:09.000 Long time ago, yes.

02:35:10.000 I have a spar.

02:35:11.000 We trained when I was in Denver helping Nathan Marquardt for a fight.

02:35:16.000 I sparred...

02:35:16.000 Man, it was crazy.

02:35:18.000 I sparred with Dwayne, Nate, Shane Carwin too.

02:35:22.000 Oh my God.

02:35:22.000 You sparred with Shane Carwin?

02:35:23.000 Yeah, man.

02:35:23.000 That was not smart, but I did.

02:35:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:35:25.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:35:27.000 Yeah, yeah, that was not smart. 1.00

02:35:28.000 That was back in the day, maybe I should have been smarter.

02:35:31.000 His hand is as big as your head.

02:35:32.000 Thanks God I didn't get hurt, but oh my God.

02:35:35.000 At one point I remember in a training, he was in ground and pound with another guy that is like a light everywhere, they knock him out.

02:35:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:35:42.000 He's a big motherfucker. 1.00

02:35:44.000 He's a big monster, but that was stupid of my part. 1.00

02:35:45.000 When you're young, you do stupid shit. 1.00

02:35:47.000 I should not have done it. 1.00

02:35:49.000 Yeah, fuck that, huh? 1.00

02:35:50.000 What did he weigh back then? 1.00

02:35:52.000 He weighs?

02:35:53.000 Me or him?

02:35:55.000 I'm the same.

02:35:56.000 Carwin is maybe like 270. Yeah, he's a big guy.

02:36:00.000 Fucking huge. 0.99

02:36:00.000 No, I know. 0.99

02:36:01.000 That was stupid, but I did it and then, you know, you move, man. 1.00

02:36:04.000 You gotta fucking move. 1.00

02:36:05.000 You gotta fucking move. 1.00

02:36:06.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

02:36:07.000 Hit and run, man.

02:36:09.000 Hit and run.

02:36:10.000 Don't try to stand in the pocket with this guy and if you go for a takedown, you go in and out and then quick, man. 1.00

02:36:15.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:36:16.000 Your timing has to be perfect. 1.00

02:36:18.000 Yeah, fuck that. 1.00

02:36:20.000 You only one round? 1.00

02:36:22.000 Yeah, one round.

02:36:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:36:25.000 As far as we went with everybody, you know?

02:36:28.000 And there's this thing, like, when we train with other guys, especially, I went with, I train with everybody.

02:36:34.000 I train with John Jones, I train with, we spar with everybody.

02:36:37.000 It's a good experience, you know?

02:36:39.000 And there's guys that spar, like, it's...

02:36:43.000 Their life depends on it.

02:36:44.000 It's a real fight.

02:36:45.000 There's other guys.

02:36:46.000 Of course, depending if you get ready for a fight or not.

02:36:48.000 Depending on the situation.

02:36:50.000 When it's just aspiring for...

02:36:52.000 Sparring that you're not in training camp or whatever, you spar.

02:36:55.000 But there's still guys that I see, younger guys, they lose a lot of their years of fighting in the gym.

02:37:04.000 Because they fight in the gym, man.

02:37:05.000 It's not good for your brain, man. 1.00

02:37:07.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:37:08.000 I've never been a big fan of this. 0.99

02:37:12.000 I feel like, even now in my last sparring, Guys, they come hard at me, but I have to go hard because otherwise they're going to hurt me.

02:37:18.000 But that's not because of me. 0.91

02:37:19.000 That's because my freaking trainer is telling them, you got to put him away. 0.97

02:37:23.000 We're going to praise you. 0.98

02:37:24.000 You know what I mean?

02:37:25.000 So why does Feras do that? 0.97

02:37:27.000 He's completely crazy, Feras, man. 1.00

02:37:29.000 He's insane. 1.00

02:37:30.000 I love him to death, but man, he's completely insane. 0.98

02:37:32.000 He's my sensei.

02:37:34.000 He's my paimei.

02:37:35.000 I call him paimei.

02:37:36.000 You know, John, I call him the emperor.

02:37:39.000 The Emperor John, like Star Wars, they all have nicknames.

02:37:42.000 That's hilarious.

02:37:43.000 Yeah, man.

02:37:44.000 They're tough guys.

02:37:45.000 John is another one.

02:37:46.000 Like, when I'm in training camp, man, he put me with Gordon Ryan, Gary 21 after Jake Shield.

02:37:51.000 Like, hey, go, go, go, go. 0.99

02:37:52.000 Damn, man, I get smashed. 0.99

02:37:54.000 I get out like a pretzel. 1.00

02:37:55.000 Like, I'm like...

02:37:58.000 Sometimes it's not good for my confidence.

02:38:00.000 Sometimes it is. 1.00

02:38:01.000 Sometimes I'm like, shit, man. 1.00

02:38:02.000 It's hard to have a hard life, you know? 1.00

02:38:04.000 There's a darkness inside John's brain.

02:38:06.000 Yeah, man.

02:38:07.000 And it's hard.

02:38:08.000 It's dark.

02:38:08.000 Yeah, he's a hard man.

02:38:10.000 I made a lot of good change my last, for preparation.

02:38:13.000 Like, you know, I used to train, like, on the ground, five-wing fight, round of five minutes.

02:38:17.000 You're never going to spend five minutes on the ground when you train for an MMA fight.

02:38:21.000 So I did three-minute round with one-minute break.

02:38:24.000 It makes you, and starting from scrambling position, like for example, head and arm control, then go!

02:38:31.000 Or mount position, go!

02:38:33.000 We didn't start like shaking, because you lose time while you're making, so we start from position control, and go!

02:38:40.000 So it makes you more active, and when you fight, it makes you more opportunistic.

02:38:45.000 And now I teach, I try to start to help for us.

02:38:47.000 I do it because I love it, to help for us.

02:38:51.000 And that's how I teach the people now.

02:38:53.000 No more five-minute rounds.

02:38:54.000 When you train for an MMFI, three-minute rounds.

02:38:56.000 Three-minute rounds and start from a position.

02:38:58.000 Yeah, man, three-minute rounds.

02:38:58.000 You will never spend the entire five-minute rounds.

02:39:01.000 And the minute that you're going to spend on the ground, you have to be very economic and very opportunist.

02:39:07.000 When you see something, boom!

02:39:09.000 That's what I got in the fight with Bespin, I see the neck, boom!

02:39:12.000 I let him stand up, do the leg drag, right away.

02:39:17.000 I probably would not have reacted the same way a few years ago.

02:39:21.000 It would be more taking a position and safe kind of mentality, you know what I mean?

02:39:28.000 That was a deep choke too.

02:39:30.000 That choke was deep.

02:39:32.000 It was this way.

02:39:33.000 But I practice it a lot because I learned the pattern of bisping that when you do this, you like to do this.

02:39:39.000 So I predict.

02:39:41.000 We've worked on it, you know?

02:39:43.000 Like what I mean?

02:39:44.000 Like it's stuff that we were, it wasn't in my, like I said, like my autopilot already in my hard disk.

02:39:50.000 So it's just reaction.

02:39:52.000 You don't have time to think.

02:39:54.000 Which before, when you don't train like this, you train in five minutes, it's slower pace, so you're thinking more.

02:40:00.000 Jiu-Jitsu is not much of a dynamic, it's more an isometric sport.

02:40:06.000 Sometimes you're dynamic, but it's more isometric and position.

02:40:10.000 So you don't want to be like this for a minute.

02:40:11.000 You want to be like bang, bang, bang, bang, fast.

02:40:13.000 You know what I mean?

02:40:14.000 Make you more efficient.

02:40:17.000 What kind of training are you doing now?

02:40:19.000 You're going to train with Freddie Roach now.

02:40:22.000 How much time are you spending training?

02:40:24.000 I train normally twice a day, every day.

02:40:26.000 Still?

02:40:27.000 Yeah.

02:40:28.000 I don't train hard every day, twice a day.

02:40:32.000 Some days I do once a day.

02:40:34.000 I try to train at least Four days a week that are twice a day and maybe two days that are once a day, depending what I do.

02:40:43.000 For example, I'm only going to train once a day.

02:40:46.000 Today is with Freddie.

02:40:47.000 Tomorrow I do this new thing.

02:40:50.000 Now that really changed my life too.

02:40:52.000 I train in a pool.

02:40:54.000 I don't lift weight.

02:40:55.000 You don't lift weights.

02:40:56.000 No, man, I don't.

02:40:57.000 And I don't believe...

02:40:57.000 I still don't believe in conditioning.

02:40:59.000 You say conditioning, I don't believe.

02:41:00.000 I don't believe.

02:41:01.000 I believe it's an illusion.

02:41:02.000 Everybody has a...

02:41:03.000 It's efficiency.

02:41:04.000 Someone gets tired more than the others because it's more efficient.

02:41:07.000 Because everybody at a certain level is in shape.

02:41:11.000 You know what I mean?

02:41:12.000 But...

02:41:13.000 I train in the pool.

02:41:14.000 I do, for example, I have resistance stuff, equipment, and I train in the pool.

02:41:19.000 So it's like my weight training I do in the pool.

02:41:21.000 Wow.

02:41:22.000 For example, you do flies.

02:41:23.000 So you have protagonist, antagonist muscle that works all the time.

02:41:28.000 And it's like doing flies.

02:41:29.000 But instead of that, you have protagonist and antagonist.

02:41:31.000 You do a fly and a pool in the same time.

02:41:34.000 Push, pool. 1.00

02:41:35.000 And you're doing it with rubber bands?

02:41:37.000 No, no, no.

02:41:37.000 It's a resistance equipment.

02:41:40.000 No, no.

02:41:40.000 Resistance equipment is like a...

02:41:43.000 Shit, I wish I would know you. 1.00

02:41:44.000 Like a cable? 1.00

02:41:45.000 No, it's not a cable.

02:41:47.000 It's like a handle.

02:41:49.000 It's a new thing.

02:41:49.000 The Russians developed this in the 80s, a long time ago, where we just started to learn now about it.

02:41:56.000 And the Russians were way more advanced than us.

02:41:58.000 It's Gavin McMillan that made me discover this form of training when I rehabbed my ACL. So, he hates weight training.

02:42:08.000 He said weight training, they load up your joint.

02:42:11.000 It damage your joint, you know, depending how you do it.

02:42:14.000 But when you go heavy, it damage your joint.

02:42:16.000 And it's true. 0.56

02:42:17.000 That's why I look young and I feel better at 37 now.

02:42:20.000 If it wouldn't be for this, my ulcer, I feel better now at 37 than I feel at 25. Mark my word, it's true.

02:42:27.000 The only difference is, let's say I go out with, like, my birthday was May 19th, last Saturday.

02:42:33.000 I get completely wasted, drunk.

02:42:35.000 It takes me more days to recuperate because I'm 37 than when I was 25. But strength-wise, I feel just more powerful, better.

02:42:44.000 Yeah, man.

02:42:44.000 There's hope for the older man.

02:42:47.000 There's hope that we can last better.

02:42:49.000 We can have a better living.

02:42:51.000 It's kind of crazy that you don't believe in strength and conditioning.

02:42:53.000 I don't.

02:42:53.000 You think that is the thing that everybody does today.

02:42:55.000 No, I don't.

02:42:56.000 Everybody is involved with strength and conditioning.

02:42:58.000 Because sometimes they mixed up their performance and strength conditioning because of the steroid, I believe.

02:43:04.000 A lot of people, they say, oh, my new nutrition is because of this, this, or my new training makes me be stronger.

02:43:10.000 Look, I'm a better fighter.

02:43:12.000 Maybe it's because you're taking something.

02:43:15.000 You know what I mean?

02:43:16.000 I believe in UFC, let's say...

02:43:21.000 I spar with some pro boxers, okay?

02:43:23.000 For example, like...

02:43:24.000 Can I see right here?

02:43:24.000 Yeah, this one, an example.

02:43:26.000 So you've got, look, ankle weights on?

02:43:28.000 Is that what it is?

02:43:28.000 Yeah.

02:43:29.000 Oh, wow.

02:43:29.000 But they create a resistance on the way up, you see?

02:43:32.000 So it doesn't load up my joint.

02:43:35.000 And you're just exploding.

02:43:36.000 Yeah, this is like pistol squat, but there's like 100 exercises like this.

02:43:40.000 I say 100, maybe not 100, but there's so many.

02:43:44.000 Yeah, man.

02:43:45.000 There's stuff you can do with every part of your body, you can do an exercise.

02:43:49.000 And this is something the Russians got into. 0.56

02:43:51.000 Yes, and also the NFL football player, a lot trained with that because it increases your power.

02:43:57.000 It works.

02:43:58.000 So the thing that you don't have is the stability.

02:44:00.000 But if you want to increase your power, it helps for increasing the power, for muscle, the fiber of the muscle.

02:44:06.000 You know what I mean?

02:44:07.000 It won't make you a better fighter, but it will...

02:44:11.000 Longevity-wise, keep your vehicle healthier.

02:44:19.000 That's why I do strength conditioning.

02:44:21.000 I don't do it for making me a better fighter.

02:44:24.000 I do it because I want to look good.

02:44:26.000 I want to be muscular.

02:44:28.000 I want to be balanced.

02:44:31.000 I want to have a longer longevity.

02:44:34.000 It's not going to make me hit harder or stronger.

02:44:36.000 Hell no.

02:44:37.000 Freddie Roach might help me hit stronger, for example.

02:44:40.000 You know what I mean?

02:44:41.000 John Danner will make me be more creative, have better ambars, and Feras will make me, you know what I mean, like a better fighter in terms of giving me knowledge and different things.

02:44:51.000 That's what I believe could be wrong, Joe.

02:44:53.000 I know we think different ways in that regard.

02:44:56.000 We argued before about this, but that's what I believe.

02:44:58.000 I'm open-minded.

02:44:59.000 A lot of times when I'm arguing, I'm just playing the devil's advocate.

02:45:02.000 I don't think there's any one way to do these things.

02:45:04.000 Like, example, I spar, for example, or you're a jiu-jitsu guy, make an experimentation.

02:45:11.000 Go wrestle with a real wrestler, like a high-level wrestler.

02:45:14.000 Pure wrestler.

02:45:15.000 Wrestle with him.

02:45:17.000 You're gonna get tired much quicker than him.

02:45:20.000 Right, for sure.

02:45:22.000 It's not because he's got a better cardio than you, you know?

02:45:25.000 Or maybe he is, like, depending.

02:45:27.000 But then, after that, go on the ground, sit down and shake his hand and start rolling on the ground.

02:45:32.000 I guarantee he's gonna get more tired than you.

02:45:34.000 Because if you never done jujitsu, he's gonna spend a lot more energy.

02:45:37.000 You're gonna be much more efficient than him.

02:45:39.000 Right.

02:45:40.000 Even though maybe he has a better cardio than you, if you take a VO2 max test, maybe he's gonna score better.

02:45:46.000 However, you're more efficient.

02:45:47.000 It's all about efficiency.

02:45:50.000 They try to sell you the product.

02:45:51.000 They try to sell you the program. 0.92

02:45:53.000 It's all freaking advertising.

02:45:56.000 Our life is made of advertising. 0.77

02:45:58.000 That's why I was angry.

02:46:00.000 We talk about intermittent fasting.

02:46:03.000 There's no pills for this.

02:46:05.000 There's nobody that makes money.

02:46:07.000 That's why nobody talks about it.

02:46:08.000 But it's so efficient.

02:46:09.000 It's the oldest remedy in the world.

02:46:11.000 You know what I mean?

02:46:12.000 In three days, you can...

02:46:13.000 Rebuild your immune system and your gut.

02:46:17.000 All of it.

02:46:17.000 In three days of fasting, you do it.

02:46:19.000 Take Himalaya salt with the water.

02:46:21.000 You go train.

02:46:22.000 It's perfect.

02:46:23.000 You go in autophagy phase.

02:46:24.000 It's the best.

02:46:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:46:26.000 But nobody talks about it.

02:46:27.000 Same thing in cardio and all that.

02:46:29.000 They have to...

02:46:31.000 Commercialize.

02:46:32.000 Oh, it's the money.

02:46:33.000 It's all about selling you the thing.

02:46:36.000 Right.

02:46:37.000 Our life, it's all about branding.

02:46:39.000 Everywhere we go, it's freaking commercial.

02:46:42.000 We're surrounded by commercial if we want it.

02:46:44.000 Sometimes we don't even realize it because it's so present in our life.

02:46:47.000 So it's not going to make me a better fighter.

02:46:50.000 I do it because I felt good, developed my muscle, and it's good for me to be...

02:46:56.000 You know, to have muscle for my brand, for me, for advertising, even for myself, I feel good, you know what I mean, Joe?

02:47:03.000 I feel solid, you know what I mean?

02:47:05.000 Yeah, I get it.

02:47:05.000 Yeah, that's the real truth.

02:47:06.000 It's not going to make me hit.

02:47:07.000 You think this is going to make me have a better hook?

02:47:09.000 No, man.

02:47:10.000 It doesn't transcend like that.

02:47:13.000 Right.

02:47:14.000 Timing, precision, forms, you know, everything.

02:47:17.000 It's not...

02:47:20.000 If Joe Lewis had the smallest arm, I think, one of the smallest arm, he hit like crazy.

02:47:25.000 Yeah, he did.

02:47:26.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:27.000 When you look at his build, he wasn't like a Mike Tyson or a Lennox Lewis.

02:47:30.000 My friend Adonis Stevenson.

02:47:32.000 He's built. 1.00

02:47:33.000 He's an athlete, but man, I spar with him many times, and he hit like a fucking truck. 0.99

02:47:38.000 He's probably the heaviest hitter I've ever seen in my life. 0.99

02:47:41.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:41.000 Yeah.

02:47:42.000 And he's not like, he's strong, he's athletic, but there's guys that more look stronger than him.

02:47:48.000 Bodybuilder.

02:47:48.000 Yeah, that's because of his form, the way he transfers his weight, his vector of force, everything, his technique, his timing, his precision, everything is perfect.

02:47:57.000 It's bone structure, too, a little bit, too, right?

02:47:59.000 Especially power. 0.98

02:48:00.000 You're a freaking back kick, man. 0.99

02:48:02.000 Like, this is something, it's not because you were there and I said... 0.99

02:48:06.000 The human being that had produced the highest amount of force that I ever witnessed in my life is you, man.

02:48:16.000 I'm not saying this is the truth.

02:48:19.000 I've never seen a human being physically capable of hitting something with that much force than you.

02:48:26.000 It's a perfect example of what we argue.

02:48:30.000 It's not because you're stronger.

02:48:31.000 Yeah, you're a strong guy.

02:48:32.000 You're a good athletic guy.

02:48:34.000 But, you know, you're older than me, you know?

02:48:37.000 You know what I mean?

02:48:39.000 Why?

02:48:40.000 Because it's your form, the technique, the vector of force, your technique.

02:48:44.000 Everything is all freaking perfect, your timing. 0.99

02:48:47.000 That's why when you turn and you make that spin, like, I don't care who you are, if you're Francis Ngandou, you hit that shit on the face, you're gonna be dead, you know? 1.00

02:48:56.000 Not dead, but you're gonna be knocked out, man. 0.99

02:48:59.000 This is crazy, you know what I mean?

02:49:01.000 When you did that, it was completely insane, you know?

02:49:04.000 Yeah, that's the one.

02:49:05.000 Jeez.

02:49:06.000 I'm still working on it, by the way, but I can't do like you do with my knee coming out.

02:49:11.000 I feel like when I do inspiring, the guys, they see it, so I have to keep my knee tucked in.

02:49:18.000 Yeah, I think you're just thinking that.

02:49:20.000 Maybe it's because the years of karate, I learned in a different way, so my brain is wired so much in a certain way.

02:49:25.000 Yeah, the problem with karate is that lower knee.

02:49:29.000 The knee down by the other knee versus up by the hip.

02:49:33.000 When you bring it up by the hip, there's much more leverage.

02:49:36.000 There's a tremendous amount of force.

02:49:37.000 And the alignment of your lower leg, the supporting leg, and the kicking leg is better to generate force.

02:49:44.000 Whereas the kicking leg is almost independent of the lower leg if you're going up.

02:49:49.000 Because they're not moving in the same direction.

02:49:51.000 One leg is going up, the other leg is going forward.

02:49:53.000 So it's like...

02:49:54.000 It's all goofy.

02:49:55.000 But when the hip is up...

02:49:57.000 When you turn, the hip is up, this is pushing, and this is going forward.

02:50:02.000 It's just, boom!

02:50:03.000 That's where the power comes from.

02:50:05.000 However, you come from Taekwondo, is all the Olympic athlete, like, champion...

02:50:10.000 They don't do it like that.

02:50:11.000 No, they don't all do it like that.

02:50:13.000 No, exactly.

02:50:13.000 You do it in different ways, right?

02:50:15.000 But man, I've never seen anybody hit as hard.

02:50:18.000 Like, I don't care if it's a punch.

02:50:19.000 I never see a strike, a blow from a human being that hard. 0.97

02:50:25.000 Man, I remember the bag when you were working in, it was a freaking hole almost in the bag. 0.94

02:50:31.000 It was like curves in the bag with your footprint in it. 0.98

02:50:36.000 I'm like, it's completely insane, man.

02:50:38.000 It's a lot of power.

02:50:39.000 I was with Eddie Bravo and I remember we were freaking out.

02:50:42.000 Then you were going back and forth.

02:50:45.000 We worked together because of Donaherr.

02:50:48.000 Because John came up to me and just asking me because I was a commentator.

02:50:52.000 He said, I need someone to help George with the fundamentals of his spinning back kick.

02:50:57.000 He needs like a technique refresher.

02:51:00.000 Do you know anybody?

02:51:01.000 And I said, this is going to sound crazy.

02:51:03.000 I just got to listen to me.

02:51:05.000 But I have a really good spinning back kick.

02:51:08.000 So that's how you put it out.

02:51:09.000 He's a smart guy.

02:51:10.000 He put it to me just asking if I knew a Taekwondo guy.

02:51:13.000 He knew.

02:51:14.000 He did know.

02:51:16.000 He told me he's going to ask if you could work with me.

02:51:20.000 That's funny because he said it to me asking me if I knew somebody.

02:51:24.000 No, but you want to put it this way.

02:51:26.000 John is a smart guy.

02:51:27.000 John is a very smart guy.

02:51:29.000 If we didn't have said, he would have kind of...

02:51:31.000 Right.

02:51:32.000 Because I remember he said that to me, and I said, because he's like my son, so he's my...

02:51:37.000 So I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

02:51:38.000 And then I was rolling my eyes. 0.99

02:51:39.000 I was like, what the fuck is Joe Rogan? 0.99

02:51:41.000 I didn't know your background, you know? 0.99

02:51:42.000 I knew you did some martial arts.

02:51:44.000 That's what I thought he was going to think.

02:51:45.000 No, but he knew...

02:51:47.000 Because the word gets around that you have a very strong spinning back kick.

02:51:52.000 He somehow told him or he's seen it because he told me.

02:51:57.000 I remember he told me.

02:51:58.000 Then I was like, yeah, I'll do it when I go train with Freddie Roach.

02:52:01.000 Then I couldn't believe it.

02:52:03.000 I called him the same night. 1.00

02:52:04.000 I said, what the fuck was that, man? 0.99

02:52:08.000 If he ever fights, man, this should be illegal. 1.00

02:52:11.000 He can kill someone with this, man. 0.99

02:52:12.000 It's insane, man. 0.99

02:52:13.000 Well, what's fucked up is it almost feels like a lie because it was so long ago. 0.97

02:52:17.000 It was a different life. 0.93

02:52:18.000 I stopped fighting.

02:52:19.000 I'm 50 years old.

02:52:20.000 I stopped fighting when I was 21. So I haven't fought in forever.

02:52:25.000 So it's just I keep doing it and training, but I haven't done it so long.

02:52:29.000 So when I tell someone that I can do it, I'm like, is that true?

02:52:33.000 I'm like saying, is it true?

02:52:35.000 How many people did you, did you ever light up someone with that particular?

02:52:40.000 There's a video of me when I was 19 from a Taekwondo tournament, making a guy fly through the air.

02:52:44.000 Are you serious?

02:52:45.000 It's on YouTube.

02:52:46.000 Oh my god.

02:52:48.000 Is he okay now?

02:52:49.000 Is he alive?

02:52:50.000 I don't know.

02:52:50.000 Here it is right here.

02:52:53.000 Are you kidding me, man? 0.98

02:52:55.000 Yeah, that's a fucking scratchy VHS video from 1986. Bro, you realize you didn't even cut him, like, you know we talk about precision, like, there was like, like, your technique is freaking, but it's so powerful, like, you cut him where, on the shoulder? 0.96

02:53:12.000 No, no, I caught him on the body.

02:53:14.000 It wasn't in the shoulder, you can see it again.

02:53:17.000 Okay, okay, okay.

02:53:18.000 It's just, his arm, it's underneath his arm.

02:53:21.000 Oh my god.

02:53:23.000 But to put that guy away is because he's incredibly powerful.

02:53:27.000 A guy would do the same thing, hit him in the same spot, he would probably not get put away like that.

02:53:33.000 Oh, okay, okay.

02:53:34.000 See, as you see, the impact, it goes right into his body and then I extend.

02:53:39.000 And then when I extend it, he was...

02:53:41.000 I was kind of like...

02:53:43.000 Oh yeah, that was perfect.

02:53:46.000 And he just sailed through the air.

02:53:49.000 It's got so much power.

02:53:53.000 It's just a crazy technique.

02:53:54.000 And I was raised in a Taekwondo school that came from the old school Taekwondo before tournaments.

02:54:02.000 See, General Choi, Choi Hyun-hee, he trained, he was the inventor of Taekwondo, the founder of Taekwondo, and he trained a small handful of elite instructors.

02:54:13.000 And one of them was Jae Hyun Kim, who was my instructor.

02:54:16.000 So my Taekwondo background was old school Taekwondo.

02:54:21.000 Before Olympic, it was even a consideration.

02:54:24.000 And so everyone trained for power.

02:54:27.000 It was a different thing.

02:54:28.000 Breaking, yeah.

02:54:29.000 Yeah, it was just...

02:54:30.000 You had to be able to defend yourself in the street.

02:54:32.000 My instructor's idea was, if you couldn't hurt someone with a kick, why even practice it?

02:54:39.000 And these Taekwondo guys in tournaments, they were tapping each other.

02:54:42.000 They were just moving really fast, trying to score points. 1.00

02:54:45.000 And he hated that shit. 1.00

02:54:46.000 He hated that shit. 1.00

02:54:47.000 And he felt like... 1.00

02:54:49.000 You had to load up more.

02:54:50.000 There had to be more power into those techniques.

02:54:52.000 And it wasn't quite as fast as the really quick style, Olympic point style Taekwondo.

02:54:59.000 But that Olympic point style wouldn't hurt anybody.

02:55:02.000 You couldn't keep them off of you.

02:55:03.000 But the thing is hard for me.

02:55:05.000 I try to practice your ways, but I don't know if it's my hips or the weight.

02:55:10.000 No, it's just reps.

02:55:11.000 It's just repetition.

02:55:13.000 We'll go over here after we're done.

02:55:14.000 We're done anyway now.

02:55:15.000 Man, it's freaking hard, man.

02:55:16.000 We have this gym here.

02:55:17.000 I'll just give you a refresher.

02:55:20.000 Yeah.

02:55:20.000 But a lot of it comes from the front leg side kick.

02:55:23.000 Nobody I know.

02:55:23.000 You know, I went back to karate training because I've done Muay Thai, but I was coming from karate background.

02:55:30.000 We've done it straight.

02:55:31.000 Not like you, straight.

02:55:32.000 Then I had Muay Thai.

02:55:33.000 Then I haven't done it for a kick, like back kick for a long time because I don't really do that much in Muay Thai.

02:55:37.000 Now I went back to karate, my last fight.

02:55:40.000 And when I start to redo it, I've been taught again with the knee.

02:55:44.000 The knee down.

02:55:45.000 Yeah, but I like the way you do it, man.

02:55:48.000 It's crazy.

02:55:48.000 The knee has to be higher.

02:55:49.000 Yeah, the knee has to be higher to get the full power into it.

02:55:52.000 I just don't have the same efficiency with it.

02:55:54.000 Yeah, but it can be done.

02:55:56.000 You can learn that efficiency. 1.00

02:55:57.000 Shit. 1.00

02:55:58.000 100%. 1.00

02:55:59.000 Freaking nuts, man.

02:56:00.000 Yeah, but it comes from learning first the right way to do the front leg side kick. 0.74

02:56:05.000 See, the front leg side kick, you develop that boom!

02:56:07.000 That knee comes up and then boom! 1.00

02:56:10.000 It's all in thrusting that hip and popping it forward.

02:56:12.000 And then once you develop the speed from doing that, then you do it with the turn.

02:56:16.000 Then it's turn, boom!

02:56:18.000 Boom! 0.99

02:56:18.000 It's the same thing. 0.99

02:56:19.000 It's that twist of the hip and the extension of the leg, but then it's also the turn first.

02:56:24.000 So the turn first, boom, and then the extension of the leg.

02:56:27.000 That's where that power comes from.

02:56:28.000 It's all in a straight line.

02:56:30.000 And then the 360, when the right leg is forward and you step forward and then throw that kick, that's like getting hit by a train.

02:56:38.000 That's the one that's the strongest I've ever seen. 1.00

02:56:41.000 That shit's crazy. 1.00

02:56:42.000 You're running it somewhere. 1.00

02:56:44.000 You're not even in your prime now.

02:56:45.000 No, I'm 50. Shit. 1.00

02:56:47.000 Yeah, but when I was 19, I could do it like a laser beam. 1.00

02:56:50.000 It was so fast.

02:56:51.000 Yeah.

02:56:52.000 You know, like in that video.

02:56:53.000 I mean, that's all I did, though. 0.99

02:56:55.000 I mean, from the time I was 15 to the time I was 21, I didn't do shit. 0.94

02:57:00.000 I barely did any homework. 0.96

02:57:01.000 I didn't pay attention in school at all.

02:57:03.000 All I did was fight.

02:57:05.000 That's all I did was do Taekwondo.

02:57:06.000 That's all I did.

02:57:07.000 I just wanted to be in the Olympics.

02:57:08.000 I wanted to be a Taekwondo champion.

02:57:10.000 Wow.

02:57:11.000 Yeah, that's all I wanted to do. 0.99

02:57:12.000 But then the problem was I started sparring with kickboxers and getting fucked up. 0.97

02:57:17.000 And I realized that Taekwondo has no hands. 0.99

02:57:20.000 The hand techniques were useless. 0.98

02:57:21.000 And when I would be in a boxing ring and I would be sparring with someone, they'd just get me in a corner and start fucking me up. 0.98

02:57:27.000 And I was like, oh! 0.96

02:57:28.000 I don't know how to do this.

02:57:29.000 I need to learn how to box.

02:57:31.000 And so I realized Taekwondo, in a lot of situations, is not effective.

02:57:35.000 It's not useful.

02:57:36.000 I needed to learn how to box first.

02:57:39.000 And so then I started training that.

02:57:41.000 And then I started training with Muay Thai guys, getting leg kicked. 1.00

02:57:44.000 I'm like, ah, fuck! 0.99

02:57:46.000 Because we were doing above-the-waist kickboxing. 1.00

02:57:49.000 And then I saw... 0.99

02:57:50.000 Rick Rufus, when he fought that Thai fighter, there's a really important fight when Rick fought this guy and the guy just chopped his fucking legs out front of him. 0.98

02:57:59.000 I saw that fight. 0.92

02:58:01.000 However, you put the same fight in the MMA contest. 0.80

02:58:05.000 Rick Rufus beat the shit out of him the first...

02:58:09.000 First, I think, few minutes. 0.99

02:58:11.000 He killed the guy, but the guy used kind of the rules to stand back up.

02:58:17.000 You put that in the MMA context.

02:58:20.000 That's why the striking in MMA, people say, oh, let's say Medvedere goes into MMA, he'll knock everybody out if they stay standing up.

02:58:26.000 I don't agree with that at all, man. 0.57

02:58:28.000 No, he'll get killed. 1.00

02:58:29.000 His legs... 0.94

02:58:30.000 Not only the leg, Joe, I think even the hand, like Randy Couture beat Victor Belfort, remember with the, how do you say that in English?

02:58:39.000 Uppercut?

02:58:40.000 The boxing, the dirty boxing.

02:58:42.000 Dirty boxing, glitching is very different.

02:58:44.000 Even the distance.

02:58:47.000 The timing.

02:58:48.000 It's just a small glove, you know?

02:58:49.000 It changes everything, man.

02:58:51.000 Sure, sure.

02:58:52.000 Man, I spar a lot with a much better decorated pure wrestler than me in MMA. I put them all down.

02:59:00.000 All of them.

02:59:02.000 Not because I'm a better wrestler.

02:59:03.000 It's because my timing, I learned from karate how to close the gap in karate.

02:59:08.000 But I used...

02:59:11.000 I use karate for the takedown.

02:59:13.000 Some use karate for blitzing and like Wonderboy.

02:59:16.000 It just depends how you use your tool, you know what I mean?

02:59:19.000 What do you think about Wonderboy Tilt?

02:59:21.000 That's this weekend.

02:59:22.000 Oh man, I'm gonna watch this fight.

02:59:24.000 I think two things can happen.

02:59:26.000 How long are you gonna be in town for?

02:59:27.000 I leave on Friday.

02:59:29.000 I gotta go back on Friday, unfortunately.

02:59:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:59:31.000 Fight's on Sunday.

02:59:32.000 It's here?

02:59:33.000 Yeah, no, it's in England, but it's early morning, so we're going to do a Fight Companion.

02:59:38.000 We're going to come in here and watch it.

02:59:39.000 Yeah, I got to bounce, man. 0.99

02:59:42.000 Seriously, it's because I really got to bounce, but this weekend, I have something important this weekend, but man, I need to be a Montreal Saturday, but shit, I would have... 0.98

02:59:52.000 We'll do it another time, for sure. 0.89

02:59:54.000 Normally, I watch fights with people that don't know nothing about fights.

02:59:58.000 Fight Companions are fun.

02:59:59.000 We drink a couple beers, watch the fights.

03:00:01.000 My fight...

03:00:02.000 Companions are different than...

03:00:04.000 You know, most of my friends are not really fighters.

03:00:06.000 They're like normal guys, geeks, or whatever.

03:00:09.000 They think they know, but they don't know nothing about fighting.

03:00:11.000 Is that annoying?

03:00:13.000 Yeah, the way they are freaking...

03:00:14.000 And I try to be diplomatic.

03:00:17.000 I'm sitting here, and everybody's like, Hey, why you didn't do this?

03:00:20.000 Why you didn't do that?

03:00:21.000 I'm like...

03:00:21.000 And I used to try to correct them.

03:00:26.000 I used to.

03:00:27.000 But I put so much effort and energy that I just gave up at one point.

03:00:30.000 I'm like...

03:00:32.000 Yeah, man, why you didn't do this?

03:00:35.000 Like the fight Tyrone would live with Wonderboy, I was watching the fight, he's like, it's so boring, I can't believe it!

03:00:41.000 It's like, dude, you just don't understand that if Wonderboy, you go with Wonderboy and you charge him like this, you know what I mean?

03:00:49.000 I don't want to talk about it, he's my friend, and I don't want to talk about it for Darren Till if he listens to this, because Wonderboy is my friend.

03:00:57.000 But they just don't freaking get it.

03:00:58.000 They don't understand. 0.66

03:00:59.000 They're not educated about the culture.

03:01:02.000 Like, same thing on the floor.

03:01:03.000 Oh, yeah, why don't you do that?

03:01:04.000 Like, they have a few fights in the street, you know.

03:01:09.000 It's funny.

03:01:10.000 They're my boys, man.

03:01:11.000 But a lot of them, like, sometimes I listen.

03:01:14.000 Not all of them, but some of them are like, oh, jeez, man.

03:01:16.000 What the hell is this?

03:01:17.000 It's frustrating.

03:01:18.000 They think they know, but they don't know, man.

03:01:21.000 A lot of them, they think they know, but they don't know.

03:01:23.000 I still love you guys, but oh my God, sometimes it's annoying, you know?

03:01:27.000 Well, listen, George, let's wrap this up, man.

03:01:29.000 Thank you for coming here.

03:01:30.000 I really appreciate it, brother.

03:01:31.000 It's always great to see you.

03:01:32.000 Thank you, man.

03:01:33.000 Thank you.

03:01:33.000 Is that the real time?

03:01:34.000 That's the real time.

03:01:35.000 Holy shoot.

03:01:36.000 Are you serious?

03:01:37.000 Time flew by.

03:01:37.000 Yeah, we did three hours.

03:01:39.000 Oh my God.

03:01:40.000 Are you serious?

03:01:41.000 Yeah.

03:01:41.000 You sure?

03:01:42.000 No, it can't be the real time.

03:01:43.000 It's a time warp in here, man.

03:01:45.000 Dude, that's insane.

03:01:46.000 I need to be to the contender.

03:01:47.000 Let me check.

03:01:48.000 Where do you gotta go?

03:01:48.000 I go to the contender of Freddie Roach.

03:01:51.000 What time are you supposed to be there?

03:01:52.000 Yeah, I'm checking.

03:01:53.000 But you needed to train with me.

03:01:54.000 I think I needed to be there at 4.30 before...

03:01:57.000 You can leave right now.

03:01:57.000 I think it closed at 4.30.

03:01:59.000 If you leave now, you can be there by 4.30.

03:02:01.000 Yeah, but I missed the freaking back kick instructional, which I wanted to do.

03:02:05.000 I'll give you a quick one, real quick. 1.00

03:02:06.000 Fuck. 1.00

03:02:06.000 Let's fucking do it. 1.00

03:02:07.000 You don't mind, Joey? 1.00

03:02:08.000 No, no.

03:02:09.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 29, 2010

JRE MMA Show #28 with Georges St-Pierre

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