In this episode, we catch up with former UFC Women's Bantamweight Champion Dana White and former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Ronda Rousey. Dana and Dana talk about Dana's return to the octagon, Dana's plans for the future, and Dana's upcoming fight with Marianne Renau on July 14th in the CenturyLink Arena. Dana also talks about his plans for his future in the UFC and what he's working on to get back on track with his recovery from injuries sustained in UFC 246 and UFC 246. Dana then talks about how he's been dealing with his injuries and how he s dealing with them in the lead-up to his next fight against Marianne. Dana wraps up the episode with a look ahead to UFC Boise and Dana s next fight with Dana's next opponent, Janae Renau, who is also a former UFC fighter. and Dana talks about what he s been up to and what s in store for UFC 246 in the near future. We also get into Dana s plans for Dana's future in MMA and what it s going to be like in the future and what Dana s future plans are and how Dana s is looking forward to the future of the UFC in general. Dana finally answers the question, is Dana going to ever get back in the cage with Ronda again? or not? And Dana gives us his thoughts on Amanda Ronda? and much more! UFC 246 is a must watch fight of the year! UFC 214 is coming to Las Vegas, UFC 246 coming in the summer! in the fall! and UFC 232 in the winter! We'll see you soon! Thanks for tuning in! -Dana and Dana! -Jon Sorrino -Jon Ronda -Janae and Dana White -Canelo Alvarez -Manny Pacquiao -Ronda Ronda Rumpus -Amanda Rhonda & much more!! . Thank you for tuning into the pod! & more! <3 -Jon talks about UFC 246 & Dana s upcoming UFC 246 Subscribe to the pod, Jon talks about the UFC Podcasts AND much more. and Jon talks UFC 246, UFC Fight Night, UFC 232, UFC 244 & UFC 246! And much more... Thanks Jon & Dana's new fight night at UFC 246 at UFC 244 and UFC 244! , UFC 246?
00:00:59.000And then after Ronda, took another big stretch off, fought Juliana the following year, July 9th, and then this was another big stretch off.
00:01:10.000So yeah, it's been a little bit scattered, but doing what I can.
00:01:13.000Yeah, and you were doing some crazy therapy too, right?
00:01:17.000Some interesting stuff down in San Diego.
00:02:50.000Still was trying to do what I could to go and fight Rhonda as soon as I did afterwards.
00:02:54.000And, you know, part of my game plan is don't get hit.
00:02:57.000And which means like, let's just dart at her and see what happens.
00:03:01.000Well, that's what happens when you do that.
00:03:03.000Yeah, for people who don't know, TBI is traumatic brain injury, just in case someone who's listening to this doesn't understand what we're talking about.
00:03:10.000And then in the Ronda fight, if people don't know about that, you just charged after her and you got caught in an arm bar.
00:03:50.000You'd have to ask her, but there's a lot of lessons to be learned in what happened to her in terms of, like, all of the distractions and Hollywood came calling and there were scripts and talk about doing Roadhouse and there was all this shit going on that was other than fighting, you know?
00:05:33.000Yeah, I mean, it was very young at that age, or at that age.
00:05:36.000Right, and in Bantamweight right now, there's like, there's no standout contender, and Raquel had beaten some really good fighters, and she looked like the next in line, and did she blow her knee out as well?
00:05:48.000I want to say she got like, oh, I could be lying, but I think she got in like some accident with a four-wheeler, like rolled over and broke her leg or something.
00:05:57.000I could like totally be making that up though.
00:05:59.000She could have just twisted it walking down the street too, so I don't know.
00:08:16.000And, you know, found my way, like, right in the middle of all of that and found a way to use how aggressive I am and how just, like, domineering I can feel in there and all of that.
00:09:28.000That's not a good place for people to live with any kind of inflammatory or major thing that needs to be healing because your body's already working at such a high level.
00:09:45.000I spent so much time and so much money figuring out what the hell was wrong with me that I ended up at the Mayo Clinic spending weeks at a time going to all their specialized different doctors and situations like that for them to tell me, if you want to heal, you want to give yourself the best opportunity to heal, you're probably not going to do it up at altitude.
00:10:09.000We would prefer seeing you at sea level.
00:10:13.000So, combined, I needed to almost exile myself from Colorado because I want to love it.
00:10:20.000And it was starting to get less colorful for me.
00:10:23.000Because I felt like I had the best there was as far as coaches and the best there was as far as training partners.
00:10:29.000And the situations, everything was as good as it was going to get.
00:10:33.000It literally was as good as it was going to get.
00:10:46.000Like, I'm taking him away from everything we know.
00:10:48.000And we just packed a U-Haul and we left and we got to San Diego.
00:10:52.000And what made you decide on San Diego?
00:10:54.000I went, I wish I had written down like all the gyms I went to and showed up at like anonymously too because I didn't want them to like, I wanted to kind of catch them with their pants down.
00:11:03.000Like what do you guys like right now versus if you're prepared.
00:11:07.000I don't want to show up and have you have people here watching me.
00:11:35.000So I went to all these places, and the best part about it is that I got to learn and train with so many fighters and so many coaches that I'm so excited about the relationships I made and the people I know.
00:11:46.000But all of them, it was like, this is awesome, but it's not the place.
00:11:50.000This is awesome, but it's not the place.
00:11:52.000I came up to LA, and I was very close to going to American Top Team.
00:11:56.000They had an awesome deal set up for me to go, like, helping me with my kid, helping me with a good percentage for training, like, how a living situation was going to be.
00:12:06.000They were going to accommodate me really well.
00:12:08.000But when it was time to, like, pack my car and go, like, something was, like, that wasn't it, you know?
00:13:38.000Because I'm being a weirdo about who promotes me.
00:13:41.000Because my husband promoted me to purple belt and like I really want whoever takes over the lineage to be like that like I don't want it a different one from ten different people like I want that like I want to pick and it be right and so actually now I'm super excited because I just started training at Atos and I have so much respect for Andre and his wife and Angelica, they're so good.
00:14:06.000There's so many good fighters that come out of that gym too, great jiu-jitsu fighters.
00:14:11.000I've been training there like four weeks now.
00:14:13.000I mean, I've trained there before, but like every day four weeks now.
00:14:17.000And I've only had like one day where I walked out feeling like a rock star.
00:14:21.000The rest of the days they were whooping my ass, but it was good, you know?
00:16:14.000So there's something to be fixed about that.
00:16:16.000I don't think it's a secret, but I don't know.
00:16:20.000I think maybe something with the warm-up, I need to fully have a respiratory exhaustion before I go in so I can simulate those first rounds being the hell out of the way.
00:16:30.000So you think it's just a nerve thing or an adrenaline thing?
00:16:36.000Like, gosh, we're bouncing around all these different things.
00:16:41.000But I mean, one thing with that treatment center that I went to is like doing different things, like dealing with your psychology, dealing with like the synchrony in your brain, you know, having your brain function on the same hertz at the same or different areas of your brain.
00:17:01.000Like, the main people in there, I mean, it's beautiful, not beautiful, but beautiful to see sitting in the lobby, waiting, when you see people with Alzheimer's come in.
00:17:13.000Like, there's a man that wheels his wife in every day, and you can, I think at the beginning of the week, she gets, like, an IV, so she's, like, a little bit more up and chipper, but by the end of the week, you know, she's a little bit more slouched, and Stories like his where he's talking about, you know, before they started going in there, she would just go to the bathroom all over.
00:17:33.000And every day this man takes care of his wife, puts her makeup on her, like goes and gets her hair done, even though she doesn't even know, you know.
00:17:41.000And now she can at least tell him that she needs to go to the bathroom.
00:17:45.000Like, just be like, hey, it's time, you know, and he can get her there.
00:17:48.000And then, you know, sort of kind of have, like, meaningful moments that they haven't had in a while.
00:17:58.000Active military guys that are, you know, they're doing these door breaches, and then they get their head rattled up too many times, and they're noticing they have problems with some depression.
00:18:07.000I mean, and these are high-level Navy SEALs, high-level, like, special forces that need...
00:18:38.000There's some really famous people, I don't even think I get to say because I'd be a dick and I'd probably be in trouble, but that I've sat in on and they've had their own issues with mental health or PTSD or...
00:18:52.000Like autism, different things like family members of theirs or whatever that I've sat in on and kind of been helpful in talking about because I went in there on two different antidepressants.
00:19:03.000And these I was put on at the Mayo Clinic.
00:19:52.000Pennington's fight with Ashley Evans-Smith to this day, the ending, when she got her in that bulldog choke, covered in blood, and finished her literally one second.
00:22:18.000No, and I was like, why am I not nervous the way that I get nervous?
00:22:22.000Like, I was okay, which usually, like, especially two weeks out, I have this, like, flush of emotions, you know, where I'm, like, fetal position in the corner, like, what the fuck?
00:22:32.000And then once it's over, all I want to do is kill, you know?
00:22:36.000But, like, and I didn't have that either.
00:22:39.000It kind of made me nervous, because my other friend, Barb Honcheck, she's a new 25-er, um...
00:22:46.000We would always call each other and laugh at how dumb we were being at that point.
00:24:21.000Like, I could hear Juliana's coaches, and it was breaking my heart that they were coaching against me, because they were my Colorado gym, and she went and trained with them, and I know she had trained with them previously, I mean, before she had taken the fight, but to me it was, like, fucked up to hear, you know, and it hurt me in a way, like, it's...
00:24:41.000I wish I could explain it better, but it was like I heard them and I just wanted to go home.
00:24:46.000You know, I look at the clock and I'm like, can this just be over?
00:27:42.000And then on top of that is like it's just I don't know the rest of it was just like punishing her she's kind of like sassy before the fight anyways like in awkward ways like not even like cool hypey ways like just staring at me really weird in a room where it was just like me and Tim Kennedy sitting there eating like watermelon and stuff after weigh-ins and I look over and she's just like like staring at me all weird I was like damn Tim's like dude I'm like I know what do we do?
00:28:09.000I'm like, I can throw a plate of watermelon at her.
00:29:26.000But one of the things that George St. Pierre said last week when he was on the podcast, he said the mentality that you go in there, the way you fight, you are a warrior.
00:29:35.000Like, you know that you're going to be rescued, but you are fighting for your life.
00:29:39.000And when you're fighting a fucking killer like Amanda, and you get lit up like you did and survive that first round, then go back and stop her.
00:30:28.000Especially these three-round fights where I'm waking up, like, these last couple fights, like, late in the fight, I'm pissed because I'm like, I don't know.
00:30:36.000If that would have been another 30 minutes or another two hours that we're scrapping in the woods, like, who gets the bone?
00:31:36.000Just not trying to get any attention like he's the last guy to like request attention You know but super super knowledgeable and one of the best guys in a corner to like his advice is always excellent I Never never heard him say the wrong thing in the corner.
00:31:51.000He's always like on point But what was your short list of places to go to besides the Lions?
00:31:57.000I went to go to New Mexico Yes, but I feel like I'm not trying to walk in on Holly and make shit weird.
00:32:06.000We're going to fight each other at some point, I know.
00:32:49.000Yeah, and coming from Colorado and coming from like chill outdoorsy, you can drive 20 minutes and be somewhere no one's ever stood before, to like stuck in traffic, breathing air you don't want to breathe, like everyone's a little pissed off, but no one really knows why.
00:34:29.000I mean, you have your shit there just like you have everywhere else, but at the same time, like, the Muay Thai training is good.
00:34:36.000I know the places I would go to jiu-jitsu, like the Fairtex in Pattaya is...
00:34:42.000is coming around and pretty solid like I've been considered that for this camp just to kind of like make some changes because I really want to have that influence and that like exposure to the authentic Muay Thai again like when I looked back at my most successful and most happy times after these three fights I've lost three in a row like that doesn't happen I'm not saying you know I'm like no I'm better than this like something's up and I know there's a lot that I need to work on I mean Like,
00:35:09.000my life in general, and I'm doing it, and I'm happy to be doing it, and I'm happy to be getting the lessons, even if this is how I have to get them.
00:35:18.000So, I tried to look back and analyze, like, what was I doing when I was my favorite fighter, when I was feeling the best, and it was, like, very traditional, thick Muay Thai and very traditional, thick Jiu-Jitsu.
00:38:37.000And so, all of a sudden, I get thrown into social media and how social media works when I'm at my most low, vulnerable- And you're reading all that shit?
00:39:34.000From a Howie home or someone you respect versus the text that you get from some fat slob sitting there eating Cheetos, farting into their hands.
00:39:43.000It looks the same on text, but you're going to get some people that just want to hurt your feelings because they suck and their life is terrible.
00:39:55.000Like, I've never met a hater that's doing great.
00:39:57.000Like, there's no haters that are like, man, my fucking life is awesome.
00:40:20.000It was so foreign to me because, I mean, in wrestling, like, I did wrestling, I did soccer, volleyball, swimming, like, I never, ever heard anyone be discouraging.
00:40:29.000Like, no one ever came to me and was like, fuck you, you suck.
00:40:32.000Yeah, because you wouldn't get that from someone who was a fan or someone, even if someone's from an opposing team and, like, she ain't shit, they're just saying that because they want to beat you.
00:40:42.000You know, it's like, but the haters that you're dealing with online, they're just...
00:42:05.000You're going to make mistakes, and you're going to do things right, and you're going to do things wrong, and you're going to have these epic moments, and you're going to have these failures.
00:42:11.000Because that's just a part of doing things that are complicated.
00:43:16.000And I think a lot of One of the things about the president, whoever the president is, is there's some people that are not going to listen to anything he says, but there's a certain amount of people that are going to take his actions and use it as almost like a barometer.
00:43:54.000You go down to San Diego, and what are they doing for you that gets you off of the antidepressants and gets you feeling better?
00:44:01.000So, again, you get in there, and it's scary to go.
00:44:06.000Again, like I said, there's all these different people in there.
00:44:09.000The man found the research on it by treating his own autistic kid, and you can see the before and after videos of this kid, and it's like, damn.
00:44:18.000Okay, and then I brought my son in too because he has ADHD and he's off his medication now as well.
00:44:25.000So going in there, they do an EEG first and they can tell which parts of your brain are firing at what hurts and seeing the congruencies and how all of that is happening or not happening.
00:44:38.000And then they kind of prescribed these machines on your brain that make these electric impulses but they're magnetic to kind of speed up or slow down the different parts of your brain so if the front of your brain is moving slower than the back of your brain or whatever.
00:44:59.000So, they're noticing, obviously, patterns with fighters, hockey players, football players, like people that are leading with their heads, basically.
00:45:10.000And then with the veterans, there's emotional things, too.
00:46:01.000Um, all this stuff was, you know, an anxiety that, um, I don't know, it was hard to fall asleep at night.
00:46:09.000Uh, you know, my memory was crap and this is all, you know, different stuff happening in all these other fighters that I know as well.
00:46:17.000But I mean, like I said, I've been trying things so much, so much over the past few years that I get excited about and either it works or it doesn't.
00:46:26.000And, um, the The point is now I found this and I feel better from this, but I was so excited about all these other things.
00:46:36.000I can't just start telling everybody of the new thing that I found because I've said that and been excited about everything else.
00:46:42.000What are the things you've been excited about?
00:46:57.000Like, you know, if I rolled my ankle or hurt my toe, like, you could bring the swelling down from this to normal, essentially, in like an hour and a half, just working with this, like...
00:47:07.000Tens unit on it and and I mean they they originally used it for racehorses and and for you know Super expensive million-dollar horses like the equipment they brought over.
00:47:17.000It was like 90 grand and like like these really Specific like special metals that were put into these plates and you know they would do stuff like that But that wasn't working on my head It was working on injuries, and it was working on, I want to say it helped with, like, my digestive system, maybe, or my, I don't remember.
00:47:39.000Some other things it was helping with, too, but what, you know, I started doing that, or I was doing that when I walked into Mindset and started doing that treatment.
00:47:50.000So you sit in a chair, you know, and they put this prescription in this machine, and the machine has kind of got like an arm that goes on a specific part of your brain, and you close your eyes and it sends these magnetic pulses into your head.
00:48:39.000I haven't gone these past couple weeks because stuff with my kids' schedule, school is almost out, and then wanting to try out different things, different coaches as far as these new disciplines go.
00:49:17.000And so I would drop my kid off at school, I would run, and then I would go there, I would do my treatment, I'd go back to practice down in southern San Diego, then I'd get my son, and then we'd go up there for the afternoon session.
00:49:31.000And then I'd come back down and we'd go to his sports and then I'd have my second two-a-day.
00:50:03.000And these are all things that I went to the UFC PI to talk to them about.
00:50:07.000Because I'm like, I don't know what to do.
00:50:09.000They offered me to fight Chris Cyborg at 145. That's more of the same.
00:50:16.000Yeah, and I was like, well, like, hell yeah, let's take that, but, like, can you guys at least help me get this shit figured out first, please?
00:51:52.000But, I mean, if you play that video for them, if anybody in the insurance business was denying you coverage, saying that it didn't happen while you were under the banner of the UFC, like, you're out of your fucking mind.
00:52:32.000It does not make any fucking sense if you're talking about brain injuries.
00:52:35.000Because anybody who understands how brain injuries work know that there's a considerable amount of time after a fight where you still are suffering from symptoms.
00:52:44.000And you might decide 30 days later, 60 days later, 90 days later, you've got to do something about it.
00:53:16.000It kind of goes together with any kind of mental anything.
00:53:23.000You talk about mental illness, you talk about head injuries, you talk about TBI, it all goes into that stigma of you can't see it, so it must not be real.
00:53:36.000The point is to make them drop and be done.
00:53:40.000I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world to win with a body kick or an arm bar, but the reality is what people like is to see head injuries.
00:55:12.000But if they're like, alright, and then they explain some philosophy about it or do some movement or whatever, then I lose what we're doing.
00:55:20.000My mind would just go right to something else.
00:55:59.000But then they show you different EEGs and they take it every single week.
00:56:04.000And so you actually get to see it and you get to see the level that you were functioning at, especially the different parts of your brain.
00:56:11.000And the thing that's awesome about this is you get to keep the results.
00:56:15.000Unless you go do exactly what you did and go fuck it up again, you get to keep it.
00:56:20.000It's not like this maintenance package, which is a problem for these pharmaceutical companies.
00:56:25.000There's not a whole lot of retention on it because once people get their brains functioning, as long as you're not sitting there hitting your head against the wall, you get to keep feeling better.
00:56:35.000These veterans get to go back to To combat or whatever it is their job is.
00:56:52.000There was people from all over the country coming in asking about this and needing to sit in and they're looking at these EEGs in particular.
00:57:06.000So one, I think, you know, there's something with what goes on in your brain with with the thyroid stuff with the endocrine stuff is like getting your damage to your hypothalamus, right?
00:57:18.000And that's like, That kind of directs all of the information that goes to your thyroid.
00:57:24.000Your thyroid then sends out everything to your body.
00:57:27.000When there's a disconnect there, it screws everything up.
00:57:31.000And then on top of it, now that we're cutting the same weight we've always had to cut, but we don't get IVs, you cannot...
00:57:40.000100% rehydrate your brain within 45 or 48 hours like you can get your body decently hydrated I believe but your brain is just it's its own thing you know and so now we don't have IVs our hydraulic system in our brain is down and now we're rattling it even more like dehydrated I mean we're just gonna have you know bigger side effects to our brains being dehydrated with that now The damage that comes to the hypothalamus,
00:58:08.000to the pituitary, to your thyroid, all of that that goes on there, they're saying that you can get it firing back at a level that it was before it got hurt.
00:58:19.000As long as the cells are still alive in it, they can re-energize those cells.
00:58:24.000Now, if you have just a dead part of your brain, they're not bringing it back to life, but they can...
00:58:30.000Use these magnets to kind of fluff them back up, give them back their energy, their life, and put them back into a functional way that was something similar to you at your healthiest.
00:58:43.000And make it, I mean, not more or less durable, just back- When you were saying motor skills, that's one of the things that they see in fighters that have taken too many shots.
00:58:58.000They analyze fighters' gaits and one of the things that happens is your legs get closer together, your balance is off, your steps are shorter, you don't have that sort of dynamic fluid motion to your body and you're having a harder time with balance and just motor skills.
00:59:16.000So how I felt before going into there was all I had was a gas pedal.
00:59:20.000I was like, just will, you know, and just fuck them, you know, just because I wasn't reading patterns of people anymore.
00:59:29.000Like if someone leans this way a little bit, I'm like, oh, okay, I know what you're thinking.
00:59:34.000Like if they step this way or that way and even me juking them and like trying to like faint at them, like...
00:59:40.000I couldn't even see the reaction I was making them make.
00:59:44.000I knew what motions in my muscular memory to make them do, but I wasn't getting the feedback because it just wasn't...
00:59:51.000So that was one of the first things I noticed was going back into practice and watching people's angles and beating them to it and remembering.
01:00:00.000I'm like, damn, I don't just have to shoot to shoot.
01:00:03.000I can wait and do it when it's the right time.
01:00:41.000All I saw was close the distance, don't get hit in the head, get down, get low, and just be a linebacker.
01:00:50.000And hit them because I knew I wasn't seeing that stuff.
01:00:53.000And the more I tried to see it, The more I would just sit there and wear it because I'm like, any minute now, any minute now, I'm going to catch the pattern.
01:02:12.000So this one, I'm like, I'm not even going to tell people about this because I'm sick of fucking hitting up people and being excited about it and telling them to come with me and then it doesn't work and then I'm that guy again.
01:02:23.000You know, and so going into this and then watching it work and then seeing all the other people it was working for in there that and they were never trying to push me to promote it.
01:02:31.000They were like just come in just get here, you know, and and if you like it then tell the because the UFC was talking about getting one of the machines at the PI and they're kind of gonna have me be like a guinea pig for it.
01:02:45.000Ian McCall went in there too, but it didn't like he he was doing his own kind of I don't think he was coming in often.
01:03:00.000So I think, and the thing is, is that it does stir shit up, right?
01:03:02.000So like, they mess with your, the levels because again, they have to like, if the back of your brain's running at four hertz and, okay, eight is technically where like you're sleeping, There's part of your brain that could be under your resting hertz, right?
01:03:18.000While the front of your brain is running at 12. So that's like high anxiety, but like low energy.
01:03:25.000And they can almost tell you how you've been feeling lately, which was like...
01:03:31.000And they can tell, you know, because of this and this, that you have some OCD tendencies versus this person constantly feels like they have no energy and their memory isn't working and they're emotionally incapable of, like, being in, you know, being a positive force in a relationship right now because they don't have it.
01:03:48.000So they could read your brain like that?
01:03:50.000Damn, I need to get my fucking brain checked out.
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01:04:26.000Pediatric Radiation Oncology Program, Rady Children's Hospital San Diego.
01:04:49.000I mean, you were thinking about fixing it, and you were going from one girl who hits like a dude to another girl who might hit like a bigger dude.
01:05:58.000Other people than the people that are really close to you that you talk to about these things.
01:06:01.000Like if we were seeing you fight, and when we see the decline of certain fighters, you see certain fighters, they're in a couple really hard fights, and then you see a decline, like a real obvious decline in their skills and their abilities.
01:06:15.000Very, very rarely are they opening up about what's going on, about losing memory, about not being able to see patterns in people, about not having their motor skills in tune anymore, that things are off.
01:06:28.000So you talking about this, I think, it's so important.
01:06:31.000And it's so important for young fighters to recognize, like, hey, this is also on the table.
01:06:37.000Here's a great therapy for it, but this is also a possibility of, you know, if you do fight, Fucking killer like Amanda Nunes.
01:06:45.000This is one of the things that can happen to you.
01:06:47.000Well, and it's partially because I have man I have teammates.
01:06:51.000Yeah, I have people that are ten times worse than me that are just like I Mean the stuff I hear the stuff I see it's it's sad and it's scary and they have kids And they're not going anywhere soon, you know, I mean and they're passing their MRIs Right, you know, I mean like the past their MRIs because what does the MRI really see?
01:07:12.000But if they went to this place and got all their brain mapped out and find out how everything is firing, it might be a completely different result.
01:07:21.000Like, we might be retiring people way earlier, at least forcing them into therapy way earlier.
01:07:50.000I want to be sharp and if that means I have to take the time I took off and get healthy and do all these different therapies, conservative, traditional, non-traditional, all of that, so I can feel the way I feel now.
01:08:29.000And there's an identity that goes away with that.
01:08:32.000Like, seeming like you failed or you can't do it anymore or whatever, like, that mental health aspect that comes with the physical health of your brain, like, that all needs to be more educated as far as these fighters go, as far as all of it goes.
01:08:47.000Like, I'm happy to be the guinea pig because I'm, damn, I just want to see everybody okay, you know?
01:08:52.000Well, I'm happy that you're talking about it, but it's been something that, you know, I've talked about quite a bit and the real problems behind traumatic brain injuries because I've had a bunch of experts and I've talked to a bunch of neurologists and I've talked to neuroscientists and people that are really studying this stuff and I've been real vocal about it and it's a tricky situation because obviously I'm a commentator,
01:09:19.000but like When someone gets knocked out, I'm very vocal about them taking a long time off.
01:09:24.000And it was one of the things that happened after Rhonda got knocked out by Holly.
01:09:29.000They were talking about getting her back within like, it was like four or five months later to fight again.
01:09:35.000And I was like, they were going to have a rematch with Holly.
01:09:46.000She shouldn't be getting her head rattled.
01:09:48.000And she definitely shouldn't be fighting Holly fucking home who just kicked her into another dimension five months later or whatever it was, six months later.
01:10:30.000Amanda, I felt, even before the Holly Holm fight, I felt like Amanda was the more dangerous fight for her because of her hands.
01:10:38.000Because Rhonda's always in this position where she's closing the gap.
01:10:41.000She's getting close to you because she wants to clinch up with you and throw you and take you to the ground and armbar you and what have you.
01:10:47.000But with Amanda, you're dealing with a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt who knocks people fucking dead with one punch.
01:10:54.000Like, it's a terrible matchup, I felt.
01:10:57.000Obviously that proved to be true, but what drove me crazy was how dismissive all these people behind the scenes were.
01:11:04.000All these agents and Hollywood people and all these people that just have no idea what business they're in.
01:11:11.000They really don't even understand this business.
01:11:14.000It's basically the business, like we said, of head injuries.
01:11:18.000And you're trying to sell this thing where you're dealing with someone who had a fucking significant head injury.
01:11:26.000And now you're pushing them back in there with someone who's really good at delivering head injuries.
01:11:31.000And is this really all been mapped out?
01:11:34.000I mean, what kind of training has changed?
01:12:09.000I mean, I know they put a flashlight in your eyes and ask you if you're okay, send you to the doctor, do whatever, but I mean, like, and I think, honestly, that's what the UFC's, like, effort was in this, in offering this information of this treatment to me was to see, like, hey, is this something that would benefit fighters in a situation like that?
01:12:29.000It's at the PI. It's not at the PI, but what they were saying is it would be at the PI. Still, but the trick with it is that it is something you need to go to and you need to go to twice a day and have that, like, schedule of it and that routine of it.
01:12:45.000But us as fighters, like, flying to only Vegas for it and paying our own room and board our own flight, potentially having to fly our coaches in to have to, you know, keep us working and doing whatever while we're working.
01:13:23.000Getting through everything that I'm getting through and learning everything that I'm learning is so inspiring to me because I definitely don't feel done.
01:13:31.000I still have so much fight in my heart.
01:13:33.000And I really love putting my hands on people and always advancing and improving.
01:13:40.000And the day I stop improving, then I can look at that.
01:13:45.000But right now, I don't care about plan B. I don't care about what's next because that's not what's happening.
01:13:49.000So your passion for doing is still there.
01:15:39.000San Diego is a new chapter in my life that I get to name.
01:15:44.000Also, for my kid and myself, I get to reveal so much to myself through trying different things and through letting life take me down the path that I'm supposed to without me sitting here freaking out about control, freaking out about things that I can do nothing about.
01:16:03.000I just want to walk away from all of this.
01:17:56.000But, you know, it's all there and it all matters to me and how I get through this really, really matters to me because I know it matters to other people too.
01:19:53.000But right now, this is what I'm looking at.
01:19:55.000Also, the kind of drive and discipline and work ethic that you showed to become a top-level MMA fighter and a national champion in wrestling, you could do anything with that.
01:20:37.000It builds up to these moments, like that crazy primal scream after you stopped Amanda Nunes.
01:20:44.000That's an experience that very few people, other than people who fight to the death, are feeling.
01:20:49.000There's something that you guys are experiencing that, unless you're the person in the woods fighting over that bone, you really don't know.
01:20:59.000And then for you to go to regular life after that, It's going to be hard.
01:21:05.000And it's going to be hard for a lot of fighters.
01:21:07.000It's very difficult for a lot of fighters to find another thing that excites them the way fighting excites them.
01:22:53.000I don't know if it's on some sort of route or whatever that people would need to be able to show up to or what, but I know they have one in Indiana.
01:23:05.000I know they're going to have one in Colorado soon, I think relative to the training center.
01:23:09.000And when you say mobile units, like how big are these mobile units and are they as effective as the one that you're going to?
01:23:15.000It's a creeper van, you know, with like a little dish of candy in there.
01:23:21.000Yeah, it's like you get in and it's the same exact chair, you know, and then they have their...
01:23:26.000They're trained to nurse know where to put it on you.
01:23:30.000And then even the EEG, it's a wireless EEG, so I know that every week they make you do the EEG relatively the same time so they can keep good track of what your brain is doing and how to prescribe the levels to be at what on your head.
01:24:37.000And so when they're doing this to you, and you said you got it in August, you started doing it, and you started seeing improvements after, you said, four weeks?
01:24:47.000Four weeks was the first time I saw improvements and then the bigger improvements were coming later.
01:30:03.000Who decides what you're going to do as far as how much work you're going to do, what kind of training you're going to do, whether you're going to do sparring, whether you're going to do...
01:30:09.000So this training camp, I'm outsourcing different things.
01:30:17.000I talked to Eric Del Fiero about it and like I said I wanted to outsource the Jiu Jitsu and the Muay Thai and those are gonna in itself take so much time right and then my strength and conditioning I'm doing with Chad Macias he's badass so my strength and conditioning coach Lauren Landau do you know who he is in Colorado so he's like Family to me.
01:31:32.000Me as a crazy fighter and all of that.
01:31:33.000Between Lauren Lando and Josh Ford, they're putting it together based off of what they've seen out of me in the past.
01:31:41.000But if you're going to jiu-jitsu and you're doing a lot of jiu-jitsu training and then you're going to Muay Thai and doing Muay Thai training, when do you get together and do MMA training?
01:31:50.000That'll be the sparring days and then there'll be a light sparse kind of drill day in the middle in there too.
01:31:56.000So are you sparring Muay Thai and then sparring MMA? No, I'm going to be sparring MMA. So that'll be where I mix together.
01:33:17.000When you toss someone over their head on the ground and they don't know where they are for a minute, there's so much to capitalize on there with the equilibrium just off.
01:33:24.000And those are things I like, I count on.
01:33:26.000So I need to find that freestyle situation.
01:33:29.000I have good freestyle wrestling myself, but obviously it's good to stay on top of those.
01:33:35.000It's my strength, but I need to keep my strength strong, so I'm looking.
01:34:39.000I'm friends with Ray LB, who's her boyfriend, and he hit me up when I was supposed to fight Rhonda.
01:34:46.000They were hitting me up during my training camp, like, hey, because I think obviously they have beef, and I think they wanted it to be kind of political, but I'm just nodding to that.
01:34:55.000But they were like, hey, how about Chris?
01:34:57.000Do you have any girl training partners?
01:34:59.000How about Chris come train with you to get ready for Rhonda?
01:36:19.000I remember it was like last minute because I was supposed to fight a girl.
01:36:23.000Something happened to her and then they replaced her with Takeo.
01:36:26.000And I just remember being so happy that we were at altitude because I was like, I think I had a heat stroke at the water cut, like the bathtub cut because I was in the water for like 20 minutes, and I remember at 10 minutes, I was like, something's wrong, something's wrong, something's wrong, and they're like, you have to stay.
01:36:46.000And so, at the 20-minute line, I dove like a salmon out of the water, and I passed out on my floor, and gave no shits that my manager's there, and I'm naked, and I don't know, I'm out, to the point where they're doing the knuckle rub on my sternum to try to get me up.
01:38:11.000I mean, what 1FC is doing, they've got some...
01:38:14.000They're eliminating weight cuts by doing hydration tests and testing people several times during camp, finding out what you weigh, finding out what your actual weight is.
01:38:24.000And Ben Askren went into the way they're doing it in detail when I did a podcast with him.
01:38:36.000I mean, and that's the thing is, okay, like, contracts can still exist, but maybe you're just contracted as a fighter and you have to fight certain amounts of time a year or whatever, but to have people contracted to weight classes is, like, it's hurting the sport, and it's obviously hurting fighters individually as well, but, like...
01:39:25.000You know, you can throw a belt on any fight these days.
01:39:28.000So I think if we're going to evolve the sport to having entertaining fights or entertainment-type fights, we should just evolve the contracts to that as well.
01:40:44.000I thought watching the Tanya Avenger fight, there was a lot of things that I saw in that fight against Chris that I was like, damn, that right there, there's something I could do there.
01:40:56.000That fight to me seemed like Chris was being...
01:41:00.000Very cautious and conservative and that she was just picking her shots and just trying to be very professional.
01:41:06.000Like, the way she was fighting was not like this marauding, rampaging destroyer like we've seen in some of her other fights.
01:41:13.000She fought much more technical and just...
01:41:16.000And Tonya Evinger was throwing wild fucking barstool type shit.
01:42:29.000You could say you accidentally did it once maybe, but she did it twice and one time hurt her bad.
01:42:36.000And Even so, when I watched the fight, I'm like, that's the times when she hurt Holly, was after the bell.
01:42:43.000But Holly fucked her up twice in that fight.
01:42:46.000She hit her with that question mark kick, cracked her and rocked her, and then she hit her with a straight left hand and dropped her too.
01:42:52.000I felt like Holly deserved the nod in that fight, and I definitely think she deserved the nod if you take points away, which I definitely think she had points taken away from her.
01:43:19.000She said that Cyborg is a lifetime PED cheater, that she's a performance enhancing drug user and that everybody knows it and she's not going to fight her.
01:43:26.000So she basically just gave up her title and went back down to 35, I think.
01:46:36.000She was kneeing her from across the room in the face.
01:46:39.000Yeah, Barge knocked her down with a front kick to the face, and she dropped her, and Cyborg was still chasing after her for every fucking round.
01:46:59.000Jarena Barge had, I think, almost three years without a fight where she couldn't get a fight because nobody wanted to fight her.
01:47:06.000Because she's just a fucking badass Muay Thai fighter.
01:47:10.000Real long and tall and just classic Dutch style Muay Thai.
01:47:16.000Cyborg stepped up, fought her in Lion Fight when she was the most feared MMA fighter in the world and said, fuck it, I'll take a Muay Thai fight.
01:47:25.000With zero Muay Thai professional fights.
01:52:09.000Like, that is really strange that you could, like, get a horse, you got him in the barn, the horse was like, fuck you, fuck you, and you're like, no, fuck you!
01:52:17.000You get a rope around him, and they're like, alright, alright, you got me.
01:53:21.000Because the ones that are disabled, they're hating life.
01:53:24.000And that place, it's awesome because after a few months of being there, they all want to know how to help.
01:53:30.000They're like, tell me what I can do around here, you know?
01:53:35.000And even with that, I'm like, man, if I could even get them down there, like, sometimes if all you do at this place is shovel shit, you know, it's still like you're around these horses, and this place in particular, they're all rescues, and it's called Ferdinand's Familia, and they've all been mistreated at some point, or they were trained to be something that they never graduated to being, and so they were trash.
01:53:57.000And now they need to turn these horses into rideable horses or whatever.
01:56:19.000One of the things that's happening to the human race, for sure, is that we're getting closer to each other.
01:56:23.000We're getting, we can, like, I'll read, like, tweets that someone will post in Spanish or in Chinese or whatever, and you just press translate, and then you get to read it, you know, translate to English.
01:57:38.000And, like, people don't want to, like, like...
01:57:41.000I almost feel weird sometimes that my kid doesn't see all of the same pictures that I see because I have Facebook and he doesn't.
01:57:51.000But I'm not ready to have my kid exposed to that labyrinth right there.
01:57:56.000Yeah, it's a terrible thing for kids to be exposed to.
01:57:58.000Yeah, and I think that, you know, so, like, shoulder-to-shoulder, person-to-person, I feel like a bit of a disconnect, you know?
01:58:06.000But social media, like, we get to share information, sometimes not good information, sometimes good information.
01:58:12.000Like, the fact that people are communicating, I think, is important.
01:58:16.000It's making people take stands on things that they're all finding out, oh, you believe that too, or I think that too, like, cool, like, I can find my people.
01:58:23.000But on the actual oxytocin social side, people actually getting to know each other, those intimate relationships, I feel like that part is suffering a little bit from it.
01:58:35.000Yeah, I think that's suffering a little bit in real life because people are in cars, they're in traffic, they're isolated, then they go to work and they're in a cubicle all day and they get home and they're in their apartment or their house.
01:58:46.000Yeah, there's not a lot of interaction with people.
01:58:49.000And I just think this is just a side effect of modern life.
01:58:54.000It's weird that there's so many, like in LA, there's so many people next to each other and almost nobody knows their neighbor.
02:01:35.000But they have an ability at both the peninsula edge and the bridge to shut it down as a community if shit's going down on the island and they don't want someone to get off.
02:03:41.000It was hard for me to relate boxing to any sport I'd ever done.
02:03:49.000As an athlete growing up, as a kid, if I can't understand something that I'm learning, I try to relate it back to some muscle memory of some motion I've done before in some other sport.
02:04:00.000Volleyball or swimming or like what's the mechanics of how I've moved in something that I can even dance like turn into getting like some kind of value out of so I can learn this thing and like boxing was not like anything that I'd ever done before.
02:04:13.000Like I've never had a predominantly hands-on sport that I was good at so it's been the the most What's the word?
02:04:45.000And just having the hips and everything with that that came with wrestling, that came with the footwork of soccer, of dance, of all that stuff.
02:04:53.000That contributed, I think, easily and translated easily over to that.
02:05:00.000Um, not so much, you know, but part of me also thinks like, you know, some of that had to come with, with learning, like you, you got to get hit to realize you don't want to get hit.
02:05:59.000A lot of fighters are finding that they have...
02:06:01.000Like, real benefits and protecting their back and strengthening a lot of their joints and their ligaments and stuff like that.
02:06:09.000Yeah, do you feel like it's supplemental towards, like, the physiology of it or because it's something as far as adding to the combative side?
02:06:17.000I think for sure it's good for your mental endurance because it's hard.
02:06:23.000I mean, it seems like something that should be very easy.
02:06:25.000You hear about yoga, you're like, oh, housewives do that shit.
02:06:28.000But if you do it 100% in especially hot yoga, you're stuck in that fucking box at 104 degrees for 90 minutes sweating your ass off.
02:06:36.000And I'm pissed at about 60 minutes in that one.
02:06:39.000So there's definitely some mental toughness that goes into the 90 minutes.
02:06:42.000You endure a 90 minute hot yoga class.
02:06:46.000But I think for your joints, For your range of motion and flexibility there's almost nothing better because you're so hot and sweaty everything's loosened up and you can get into like deep deep stretches and deep poses and also like for your foot strength and posture and balance all that stuff is amazing amazing for your back strengthening your back your knees It's really good for jiu-jitsu fighters.
02:07:10.000I mean jiu-jitsu people love it so one of the best things for jiu-jitsu because Jiu-Jitsu is so static, you know, so much of it is like holding on and like trying to advance position slowly and there's these bursts of, you know, explosive movements, but so much of it is just clenching and...
02:07:30.000And I think you really benefit from being able to, you know, in these yoga poses, holding these poses for 30 seconds when your body's burning and you're, you know, you're having a difficult time just standing up.
02:07:44.000I think adding the heat component to it too, especially if you're a weight cutting fighter, like getting to know your body and teaching it how to sweat, right?
02:07:52.000Like this last training camp was pretty awesome with that because I got a sauna for my...
02:08:00.000I was using a red light for healing and I was using the sauna because I know that you can naturally boost your growth hormone if you're in that every night and help yourself before you go to sleep.
02:08:11.000So I was in that every night I tried to go in for like 45 minutes and that was so helpful in going into the fight week weight cut because it was like I know what it feels like when it's time to get the fuck out and I know what it feels like when it's time that I'm like that sound like when I'm dripping like crazy I still got another good 20 minutes of me sitting here like this.
02:08:34.000You know, and I think it's really hard on fighters when they're not in a sauna or that hot for their entire camp and then they just expect that out of their body the day before a fight.
02:09:14.000But I mean, it gets it off and you don't have to leave your hotel room.
02:09:17.000Oh, that's nice too, especially if you're doing something on the road.
02:09:20.000Like, who was it that somebody was fighting somewhere and they didn't have hot water and they couldn't make weight because they didn't have the bathtub?
02:09:39.000Yeah, they were I think they were fighting in Brazil and there was no hot water for some reason like the hot water was down and they were like what in the fuck and they couldn't they went up not making weight.
02:11:38.000But that is what creates those heat shock proteins, is that your body realizes that it's in this terrible situation where you're way overheated.
02:11:46.000So your body starts creating these anti-inflammatory proteins, and that's what's so good for your body.
02:11:51.000They did a study, I think it was in, was it in Norway?
02:11:55.000Dr. Rhonda Patrick brought it up on the podcast, that they showed a 40% decrease in mortality from all causes from use of daily sauna.
02:12:04.00040% decrease in heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything, across the board.
02:12:12.000Yeah, it's because your body in reaction...
02:12:16.000The response that your body has in reaction to that extreme temperature is just to create all these anti-inflammatory properties and that's just so good for your body.
02:12:26.000Inflammation is just the root of so many different diseases and problems that we have.
02:12:31.000What is the temperature and duration recommended for that?
02:12:35.000I think it's 170 degrees and I think 20 minutes is what they want.
02:12:39.000They want 20 minutes at 170 degrees for, I believe the test protocol was four days a week.
02:12:48.000Is that the same statistic for, say, a red light sauna?
02:15:00.000And people with arthritis and people with severe autoimmune issues where they have a lot of inflammation, real problems with their joints and their hands, they have huge results from cryotherapy.
02:15:13.000There's a bunch of people that go to my place that...
02:15:16.000They say that it's really essentially changed their life.
02:15:18.000They were just in pain all the time, and now they know all they have to do is go there, step in that thing for three minutes, leave, and they're going to feel better.
02:15:26.000And they just feel looser and relaxed and whatever their flare-ups.
02:15:29.000And instead of their condition deteriorating, their condition improved and stabilized.
02:15:34.000So it's about your body and the chemical value, not the cold itself.
02:16:36.000And if I don't do that, I do hot yoga, which is another form of temperature manipulation, obviously, because you're 104 degrees, and you're there for 90 minutes sweating it out.
02:16:46.000I mean, it's not as hot in the room, but your body absolutely has that same feeling that it has inside the sauna, where you're just like claustrophobic, or I gotta get the fuck out of here.
02:17:38.000You hop in there, freeze your ass off, and then hop in the sauna.
02:17:42.000Apparently there's like really good benefits to doing that back and forth like that.
02:17:45.000Yeah, it was the last fight out there.
02:17:49.000I was sitting in that hot tub because I didn't have the sauna hooked up.
02:17:54.000I just wanted to go in the hot tub and then I laid on the partition and I had one leg dangling in the cold pool and one leg dangling in the water.
02:18:18.000It's crazy because she, like, I was literally sitting in the locker room with her, like, we're giggling at UFC 222, like, because we're both, like, curvy, right?
02:18:29.000And we're sitting in the locker room laughing about how much that shit weighs, you know?
02:18:34.000And it's like, what can you do about that?
02:18:35.000And even if you could, do you really want to, like...
02:18:38.000I mean, I don't hate it, you know, but sitting in there and like laughing about it.
02:18:45.000And that was what, what was the date of that?
02:18:48.000And then to come that much over, like she got her fight right away, announced right away, you know, that she was fighting May, what was it, 19th or something?
02:22:56.000I made it to some pretty badass tournaments and, you know, just, like, fighting the way I fight and trying not to give a shit about all of that.
02:26:26.000But I'm curious if there's, like, a benefit or a marketing...
02:26:30.000Like, is there something to that that would make that more...
02:26:33.000Well, Brazilians have immense national pride, you know, and her being a Brazilian and the daughter of a Brazilian jiu-jitsu legend and, you know, speaking perfect Portuguese and English, you know, just, I guess maybe that's the idea behind it.
02:27:05.000Sometimes when I get around people, I feel bad because I try to be really empathetic.
02:27:10.000And when I'm around foreigners, I will totally slow down my speaking so they will get it to the point where sometimes I think I look condescending.
02:27:20.000You know, where I'm like, I just want this conversation to go as easy as possible for you because I'm already awkward and like, let me help you out, you know?
02:28:37.000Yeah, my friend's wife is from Liverpool and she was trying to explain Scouse to me, like the way they talk in Liverpool versus the way they would talk in like say London.
02:28:47.000I'm like, y'all sound like English to me.
02:30:15.000Yeah, I think it was like Brazilian Nationals, something like that.
02:30:18.000So I would go down, like, get fully ready to train, get there the day before, and cut.
02:30:24.000Because once you're there, and then compete the second day I was there, so the rest of it's vacation.
02:30:29.000Because it's like, once you're there, all the food, all of the, like, beach and, like, lazy, like, there's nothing in me that wants to work hard.
02:30:35.000Once I get there, all I want to do is just enjoy the music and the sounds and the people.
02:30:40.000Yeah, they know how to cook down there.