The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #29 with Cat Zingano

00:00:00.000 Here we go.

00:00:01.000 Four, three, two, one.

00:00:06.000 Boom! 0.99

00:00:07.000 And we're live.

00:00:07.000 Kat, how are you?

00:00:08.000 I'm good.

00:00:09.000 How are you?

00:00:09.000 Good to see you here.

00:00:10.000 Yeah, thanks for having me.

00:00:11.000 My pleasure.

00:00:12.000 My pleasure.

00:00:12.000 I've been looking forward to talking to you for a while.

00:00:14.000 I know.

00:00:15.000 I feel like it's been a long time coming.

00:00:17.000 I don't even know how much time we have.

00:00:19.000 I feel like there's a hell of a lot to catch up on.

00:00:21.000 Yeah, there's a lot to talk about, always.

00:00:23.000 You're getting ready for Boise?

00:00:25.000 That's your next fight?

00:00:26.000 Mm-hmm.

00:00:26.000 Who are you fighting?

00:00:28.000 Marianne Renau, July 14th in the CenturyLink Arena.

00:00:32.000 Now, you took a good stretch off, right?

00:00:37.000 A couple times.

00:00:39.000 Let's see, after I fought Misha, I blew my knee. 0.61

00:00:43.000 And then the world exploded.

00:00:45.000 And so I had, I think, 18 months off between that and fighting Amanda.

00:00:50.000 And then after I fought Amanda, I... So Amanda was like September 27th, something like that.

00:00:56.000 And I fought Rhonda February 28th.

00:00:59.000 And then after Ronda, took another big stretch off, fought Juliana the following year, July 9th, and then this was another big stretch off.

00:01:10.000 So yeah, it's been a little bit scattered, but doing what I can.

00:01:13.000 Yeah, and you were doing some crazy therapy too, right?

00:01:17.000 Some interesting stuff down in San Diego.

00:01:19.000 Yeah.

00:01:20.000 Yeah, so there's been a few things I've been working on.

00:01:23.000 I'm not a huge fan of Western medicine.

00:01:27.000 You can call it alternative medicine.

00:01:30.000 It's like original medicine.

00:01:31.000 I appreciate looking at things like that way more than Big Farm.

00:01:35.000 But one thing that...

00:01:38.000 Fighting has gotten me.

00:01:40.000 I think it's more prevalent in women, although I'm thinking it's happening with men, too.

00:01:45.000 Our endocrine systems are not happy with these weight cuts, and they're not happy with us getting hit in the head a lot.

00:01:51.000 Go figure, right?

00:01:52.000 Yeah, go figure.

00:01:54.000 So, you know, within all of that, I've just, you know, had medical problems and things that, like, I'm constantly working on.

00:02:01.000 And I feel really good.

00:02:02.000 I'm constantly improving.

00:02:03.000 But one thing I was feeling a little bit stuck on was, one, like, some of the endocrine problem issues.

00:02:09.000 But, like, I don't know.

00:02:12.000 I went to this facility in San Diego.

00:02:18.000 It was called...

00:02:20.000 Dang, why can't I remember?

00:02:21.000 Oh, Mindset.

00:02:23.000 And actually the UFC sent me there because, I mean, we have USADA, we have all of these things.

00:02:27.000 Like, after fighting Amanda, I got my head pounded for a good four minutes there.

00:02:33.000 I had a TBI afterwards.

00:02:35.000 So that was, like, immediately lowered my estrogen, lowered my DHEA, my testosterone, and I'm hypothyroid.

00:02:44.000 Like, I will always be hypothyroid now.

00:02:46.000 After that fight.

00:02:47.000 Yeah.

00:02:48.000 And, you know, still toughed it out.

00:02:50.000 Still was trying to do what I could to go and fight Rhonda as soon as I did afterwards.

00:02:54.000 And, you know, part of my game plan is don't get hit.

00:02:57.000 And which means like, let's just dart at her and see what happens. 1.00

00:03:01.000 Well, that's what happens when you do that.

00:03:03.000 Yeah, for people who don't know, TBI is traumatic brain injury, just in case someone who's listening to this doesn't understand what we're talking about.

00:03:10.000 And then in the Ronda fight, if people don't know about that, you just charged after her and you got caught in an arm bar.

00:03:14.000 What was it?

00:03:15.000 Very quick.

00:03:16.000 It was like 14 seconds. 0.58

00:03:17.000 It was 14 seconds, but I did hit her with a knee. 1.00

00:03:19.000 I did throw her ass, but... 1.00

00:03:22.000 She practiced this little ninja move and caught my damn arm and it was over. 1.00

00:03:28.000 Even her coaches were like, you did what you're supposed to do there and she just got you. 0.99

00:03:34.000 That would be an awesome fight to be able to revisit one day.

00:03:37.000 She even said we'd do it.

00:03:39.000 I mean, who knows?

00:03:39.000 Her career is so open right now.

00:03:40.000 I don't think she's ever going to fight again.

00:03:42.000 She doesn't need to.

00:03:43.000 She really doesn't need to.

00:03:44.000 I don't think she wants to.

00:03:46.000 I think...

00:03:49.000 I mean, who knows?

00:03:50.000 You'd have to ask her, but there's a lot of lessons to be learned in what happened to her in terms of, like, all of the distractions and Hollywood came calling and there were scripts and talk about doing Roadhouse and there was all this shit going on that was other than fighting, you know?

00:04:09.000 And then it was also...

00:04:10.000 Look, the sport has evolved so rapidly, and the women's MMA has gotten so high level so quickly.

00:04:19.000 And I'm sure you saw Amanda's last fight with Raquel Pennington. 0.99

00:04:23.000 I'm like, holy shit! 0.99

00:04:25.000 I mean, that was a fucking high level performance from her. 0.99

00:04:30.000 And five rounds, super high cardio, just put a beating down on Raquel Pennington, who's one of the toughest girls in the world, for sure. 1.00

00:04:39.000 Right.

00:04:39.000 I do, like, I mean, I'm saying the same thing as the fight's going, right?

00:04:43.000 And then I have some people in my ear next to me, they're like, well, how long has it been since Raquel fought?

00:04:48.000 Because she didn't look her, like, beefiest, right?

00:04:51.000 She looked a little tired.

00:04:53.000 She looked a little, like, not her typical.

00:04:56.000 And then it's like she's a year and a half off herself, right?

00:04:59.000 Like, right into a title fight, which I have to say I'm a little bit envious of.

00:05:03.000 Because when I beat Misha, I won...

00:05:07.000 I was supposed to coach an ultimate fighter, but that was ultimately going to end up in a title shot with Rhonda. 1.00

00:05:12.000 And I blew my knee, and my husband passed away, and there was a long moment of silence in there.

00:05:19.000 And then when I was able to come back, they made me re-earn my title shot.

00:05:22.000 And so it was like, wait, oh, we're doing that now?

00:05:26.000 Well, it doesn't depend on what attractive contenders are available, what they can sell, what looks good.

00:05:32.000 I agree.

00:05:33.000 Yeah, I mean, it was very young at that age, or at that age.

00:05:36.000 Right, and in Bantamweight right now, there's like, there's no standout contender, and Raquel had beaten some really good fighters, and she looked like the next in line, and did she blow her knee out as well? 0.96

00:05:48.000 I want to say she got like, oh, I could be lying, but I think she got in like some accident with a four-wheeler, like rolled over and broke her leg or something.

00:05:57.000 I could like totally be making that up though.

00:05:59.000 She could have just twisted it walking down the street too, so I don't know.

00:06:03.000 Vaguely remember some injury.

00:06:05.000 Now that you're saying that, I do remember something like a broken leg.

00:06:09.000 Jamie will find out what it is.

00:06:11.000 But were you surprised by that fight?

00:06:15.000 Between Raquel and Amanda?

00:06:17.000 Yeah.

00:06:18.000 I mean, I didn't see Raquel being the one to beat her, you know?

00:06:22.000 I do feel like Amanda's been working and doing, like, you know, improving.

00:06:27.000 I mean, she changed her camps.

00:06:28.000 The coaches that she's working with, I tried out for a while at 1.2 when I was trying to find my spot.

00:06:33.000 And they're legit.

00:06:34.000 They're very good.

00:06:35.000 And American Top Team has a lot of high-level training partners, both girls and guys.

00:06:39.000 You know, I mean, she had a good decision made there.

00:06:42.000 So I see how she's improved.

00:06:45.000 I think with the time off with Raquel, I wasn't sure how it was going to go.

00:06:48.000 But also, I just don't know.

00:06:51.000 I just don't see Raquel being the one that beats her.

00:06:54.000 It's so hard to tell, you know, right?

00:06:55.000 I mean, anybody on any given night at the highest level of the game, someone can win.

00:07:01.000 Someone can be off.

00:07:02.000 Someone can be on.

00:07:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:03.000 There's no math to be done in this sport.

00:07:04.000 There really isn't.

00:07:05.000 Yeah.

00:07:06.000 The MMA math is ridiculous.

00:07:07.000 No, I mean, sometimes I hear, like, statistics on me or definitions on me or labels on me, and I'm like, wait, I'm a...

00:07:14.000 I'm a known striker.

00:07:16.000 Like, I never would have thought I'd be known as a striker.

00:07:18.000 I mean, I've been doing jiu-jitsu and wrestling my whole life, so I mean, I'll take it. 1.00

00:07:22.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99

00:07:22.000 Well, it was the Misha KO. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:07:25.000 But even that is...

00:07:27.000 Yes, but I mean, that in itself was like...

00:07:30.000 I love to wrestle, and what can I do once I've closed that distance?

00:07:33.000 Well, it's those short-angle strikes.

00:07:36.000 You know, there's knees and there's elbows there.

00:07:38.000 Those are the most destructive things I could possibly do to someone when we're that close.

00:07:42.000 And to do all that work to get that close.

00:07:44.000 But granted, that's all influenced by Muay Thai and what I got to learn from that discipline.

00:07:48.000 So, you know, it's all relevant.

00:07:50.000 But, you know, it's always just interesting to hear how you're now being categorized, you know.

00:07:58.000 Yeah, it is weird, right?

00:07:59.000 Right.

00:08:00.000 But you are definitely a dangerous striker.

00:08:02.000 I mean, you're dangerous.

00:08:04.000 I agree.

00:08:05.000 I mean, I like it, and I'm enjoying constantly learning and new things.

00:08:09.000 Like, the basics were always hard for me to get because I wanted to do the big girl stuff, you know?

00:08:15.000 Right.

00:08:16.000 And, you know, found my way, like, right in the middle of all of that and found a way to use how aggressive I am and how just, like, domineering I can feel in there and all of that.

00:08:26.000 So it's like...

00:08:28.000 I want the maximum amount of damage without taking damage, which is obviously the goal, right?

00:08:34.000 But I want to put it into a dance, so it's like a little...

00:08:38.000 I don't know.

00:08:39.000 What made you decide to go to San Diego?

00:08:41.000 So you're at Alliance now, right?

00:08:43.000 So you moved from Colorado to San Diego.

00:08:46.000 So, a few things.

00:08:47.000 So, one of them was, like, Colorado is a complicated situation for me.

00:08:52.000 I mean, I had gyms up there, like, a lot just personally happened up there.

00:08:57.000 And I love my team elevation.

00:08:59.000 Like, I love, I'm still close with everybody.

00:09:02.000 Like, I go to Colorado for Christmas holidays.

00:09:04.000 Like, it's still home, you know, but a couple things.

00:09:07.000 One, with the head injury.

00:09:09.000 Colorado is amazing for training, right?

00:09:11.000 It's amazing for building your endurance and whatever, but it is not good for healing.

00:09:15.000 Like, you'll never, See a doctor, tell someone with Alzheimer's or TBI or heart problems or even massive allergies or what's the...

00:09:26.000 Arthritis?

00:09:27.000 Arthritis.

00:09:28.000 That's not a good place for people to live with any kind of inflammatory or major thing that needs to be healing because your body's already working at such a high level.

00:09:38.000 Because of the altitude?

00:09:38.000 Yeah, because of the altitude.

00:09:40.000 I mean, the thin air, the things like that.

00:09:42.000 It's just like...

00:09:43.000 I spent...

00:09:45.000 I spent so much time and so much money figuring out what the hell was wrong with me that I ended up at the Mayo Clinic spending weeks at a time going to all their specialized different doctors and situations like that for them to tell me, if you want to heal, you want to give yourself the best opportunity to heal, you're probably not going to do it up at altitude.

00:10:09.000 We would prefer seeing you at sea level.

00:10:13.000 So, combined, I needed to almost exile myself from Colorado because I want to love it.

00:10:20.000 And it was starting to get less colorful for me.

00:10:23.000 Because I felt like I had the best there was as far as coaches and the best there was as far as training partners.

00:10:29.000 And the situations, everything was as good as it was going to get.

00:10:33.000 It literally was as good as it was going to get.

00:10:35.000 And it was like, this can't be it.

00:10:37.000 I don't feel right now.

00:10:39.000 You don't feel like you're at your maximum.

00:10:41.000 No.

00:10:41.000 And I was like, that means I'm going to have to take a change, you know?

00:10:44.000 And I was scared.

00:10:45.000 Like, I have a little boy.

00:10:46.000 Like, I'm taking him away from everything we know.

00:10:48.000 And we just packed a U-Haul and we left and we got to San Diego.

00:10:52.000 And what made you decide on San Diego?

00:10:54.000 I went, I wish I had written down like all the gyms I went to and showed up at like anonymously too because I didn't want them to like, I wanted to kind of catch them with their pants down.

00:11:03.000 Like what do you guys like right now versus if you're prepared.

00:11:07.000 I don't want to show up and have you have people here watching me.

00:11:09.000 I don't want you to put on a show.

00:11:11.000 Like I want to catch you how you are and like have you decide what you think of me too because this needs to be a fit.

00:11:18.000 I mean fighting and coaching and training is very intimate and Right.

00:11:30.000 Right.

00:11:31.000 Right.

00:11:35.000 So I went to all these places, and the best part about it is that I got to learn and train with so many fighters and so many coaches that I'm so excited about the relationships I made and the people I know.

00:11:46.000 But all of them, it was like, this is awesome, but it's not the place.

00:11:50.000 This is awesome, but it's not the place.

00:11:52.000 I came up to LA, and I was very close to going to American Top Team.

00:11:56.000 They had an awesome deal set up for me to go, like, helping me with my kid, helping me with a good percentage for training, like, how a living situation was going to be.

00:12:06.000 They were going to accommodate me really well.

00:12:08.000 But when it was time to, like, pack my car and go, like, something was, like, that wasn't it, you know?

00:12:14.000 Florida, that's the problem.

00:12:17.000 I mean, sweaty all the time, like right here.

00:12:20.000 Yeah, on the boob sweat.

00:12:22.000 There's no making that look hot.

00:12:24.000 It's just the humans there.

00:12:26.000 There's a lot of cool people in Florida, but there's just...

00:12:29.000 There's some subhumans down there. 1.00

00:12:31.000 I really appreciated the Latin culture.

00:12:34.000 I love that part.

00:12:36.000 It's the white people. 0.85

00:12:38.000 It's Florida white people. 1.00

00:12:40.000 It's not all of them, but there's some fucking swamp people down there. 1.00

00:12:44.000 No joke, no joke. 0.99

00:12:46.000 Then I looked west.

00:12:49.000 I know Ed Suarez out here.

00:12:51.000 He's my manager.

00:12:51.000 I had a few pockets of people I knew that could maybe be a support to me and my kids.

00:12:57.000 Came to LA. If I was here, I was going to go to Black House. 1.00

00:13:00.000 I think...

00:13:01.000 Where's Calvin Casellum training again?

00:13:06.000 Calvin Gaslin?

00:13:07.000 God, I say his name wrong every time.

00:13:09.000 Where is he training now?

00:13:10.000 His coach, the Muay Thai coach.

00:13:11.000 Kings.

00:13:12.000 Oh, Kings.

00:13:12.000 Okay, I was going to Kings, Black House, and I was still trying to pick jiu-jitsu.

00:13:17.000 I wanted an art of jiu-jitsu guy or a...

00:13:21.000 Someone really good.

00:13:22.000 Yeah, because I came from traditional, traditional jiu-jitsu and like I love MMA and mixing it up, but I need that.

00:13:30.000 Right.

00:13:30.000 What belt do you in jiu-jitsu?

00:13:32.000 Purple.

00:13:33.000 For like forever.

00:13:35.000 For how long?

00:13:35.000 Like six years maybe.

00:13:37.000 How come so long?

00:13:38.000 Because I'm being a weirdo about who promotes me.

00:13:41.000 Because my husband promoted me to purple belt and like I really want whoever takes over the lineage to be like that like I don't want it a different one from ten different people like I want that like I want to pick and it be right and so actually now I'm super excited because I just started training at Atos and I have so much respect for Andre and his wife and Angelica, they're so good.

00:14:06.000 There's so many good fighters that come out of that gym too, great jiu-jitsu fighters.

00:14:11.000 I've been training there like four weeks now.

00:14:13.000 I mean, I've trained there before, but like every day four weeks now.

00:14:17.000 And I've only had like one day where I walked out feeling like a rock star. 0.98

00:14:21.000 The rest of the days they were whooping my ass, but it was good, you know? 0.98

00:14:24.000 I needed that. 0.99

00:14:25.000 Super high level.

00:14:27.000 Yeah.

00:14:27.000 And it's just been so good.

00:14:30.000 And to see myself that way and to hold people that way, like, I was legit a jiu-jitsu, man.

00:14:34.000 I was, like, killing it on the circuit for a long time.

00:14:37.000 And then MMA comes in and puts this pressure on, like, even those kinds of competitions, even though they're not even the same animal.

00:14:43.000 And I'm annoyed that I let that bother me and keep me from competing in between fights because I love that.

00:14:48.000 So you mean because you have a big name in MMA, you feel weird about competing in jiu-jitsu tournaments?

00:14:54.000 I think I did.

00:14:55.000 Or maybe I thought I'd pick up bad habits or I would do whatever because maybe other people had that experience.

00:15:01.000 But for me, I need to see it for myself.

00:15:04.000 If I go and I do a tournament and I do great, then hell yeah, I'm going to have higher expectations of myself in a fight.

00:15:09.000 If I go and I do shitty, okay, well, now I get to learn.

00:15:13.000 Competing is where I get to learn everything.

00:15:15.000 And spacing out these competitions, especially the time I've had to take off in between fights, Like, I'm not...

00:15:21.000 I don't believe necessarily in ring rust, but like...

00:15:25.000 When they say go, I don't know what go means until a little bit later than I'm expecting.

00:15:32.000 And it's been the pattern in these last two fights.

00:15:34.000 You mean when the fight starts, you still feel like, is this really happening?

00:15:38.000 Kind of.

00:15:39.000 Well, even this last fight with Ketlin, we got in and I was like, do I remember what to do here? 0.99

00:15:44.000 And I was like, fuck it, I'm just going to throw bombs. 0.98

00:15:46.000 And the whole time I was just like, and that's not me either. 1.00

00:15:50.000 It was just like chucking my hands at her and hoping they win. 1.00

00:15:53.000 And if they didn't, fuck out. 1.00

00:15:55.000 Did you feel, like, out of composure? 1.00

00:15:58.000 Yeah, until the third round.

00:16:00.000 And then the third round, I was awake and ready to go.

00:16:03.000 And, I mean, I felt warmed up.

00:16:04.000 I felt right.

00:16:05.000 And, you know, she was looking at the clock and backing up and all this.

00:16:09.000 And I was just like, come here, come here.

00:16:10.000 Like, I'm ready to fight finally.

00:16:11.000 Like, come here!

00:16:12.000 And, uh...

00:16:14.000 I don't know.

00:16:14.000 So there's something to be fixed about that.

00:16:16.000 I don't think it's a secret, but I don't know.

00:16:20.000 I think maybe something with the warm-up, I need to fully have a respiratory exhaustion before I go in so I can simulate those first rounds being the hell out of the way.

00:16:30.000 So you think it's just a nerve thing or an adrenaline thing?

00:16:34.000 You know, there's a lot to it.

00:16:36.000 Like, gosh, we're bouncing around all these different things.

00:16:41.000 But I mean, one thing with that treatment center that I went to is like doing different things, like dealing with your psychology, dealing with like the synchrony in your brain, you know, having your brain function on the same hertz at the same or different areas of your brain.

00:16:56.000 So what do they do exactly?

00:16:58.000 How is this therapy?

00:16:59.000 Yeah.

00:16:59.000 So, it's these magnets, right?

00:17:01.000 Like, the main people in there, I mean, it's beautiful, not beautiful, but beautiful to see sitting in the lobby, waiting, when you see people with Alzheimer's come in.

00:17:13.000 Like, there's a man that wheels his wife in every day, and you can, I think at the beginning of the week, she gets, like, an IV, so she's, like, a little bit more up and chipper, but by the end of the week, you know, she's a little bit more slouched, and Stories like his where he's talking about, you know, before they started going in there, she would just go to the bathroom all over.

00:17:33.000 And every day this man takes care of his wife, puts her makeup on her, like goes and gets her hair done, even though she doesn't even know, you know.

00:17:41.000 And now she can at least tell him that she needs to go to the bathroom.

00:17:45.000 Like, just be like, hey, it's time, you know, and he can get her there.

00:17:48.000 And then, you know, sort of kind of have, like, meaningful moments that they haven't had in a while.

00:17:53.000 There's a ton of veterans in there.

00:17:56.000 And active veterans, too.

00:17:58.000 Active military guys that are, you know, they're doing these door breaches, and then they get their head rattled up too many times, and they're noticing they have problems with some depression.

00:18:07.000 I mean, and these are high-level Navy SEALs, high-level, like, special forces that need...

00:18:14.000 They're expensive people.

00:18:16.000 There's millions of dollars poured into these people, and they're not ready to let them go yet.

00:18:19.000 So they're like, how can we fix them, give them this performance edge, but still get them healed enough?

00:18:26.000 But we need to throw them back in there.

00:18:28.000 We need them.

00:18:30.000 And so I've had to sit in on appointments with the Department of Defense and talk about my experience with it.

00:18:35.000 I had to...

00:18:38.000 There's some really famous people, I don't even think I get to say because I'd be a dick and I'd probably be in trouble, but that I've sat in on and they've had their own issues with mental health or PTSD or...

00:18:52.000 Like autism, different things like family members of theirs or whatever that I've sat in on and kind of been helpful in talking about because I went in there on two different antidepressants.

00:19:03.000 And these I was put on at the Mayo Clinic.

00:19:07.000 And I felt like...

00:19:08.000 This is post the Nunes fight.

00:19:09.000 Yeah.

00:19:09.000 This is how crazy MMA math is, right?

00:19:12.000 You lose to Rhonda in 14 seconds. 0.99

00:19:16.000 You KO Amanda Nunes. 0.99

00:19:18.000 Amanda Nunes beats the shit out of Rhonda in 48 seconds. 1.00

00:19:23.000 You might be like the perfect example of MMA math. 0.93

00:19:27.000 You know? 0.94

00:19:28.000 I mean, crazy.

00:19:29.000 It's crazy.

00:19:30.000 You've beaten down two UFC champions.

00:19:33.000 Well, I mean, it took two and a half rounds for me to sub Pennington, too.

00:19:40.000 You know?

00:19:41.000 There's nothing...

00:19:43.000 Who is it?

00:19:45.000 Pennington goes toe-to-toe and round-to-round with Holly.

00:19:49.000 Holly knocks out Ronda, too.

00:19:50.000 It's just...

00:19:52.000 Pennington's fight with Ashley Evans-Smith to this day, the ending, when she got her in that bulldog choke, covered in blood, and finished her literally one second. 0.96

00:20:03.000 It was so violent.

00:20:04.000 It was crazy.

00:20:05.000 I screamed so loud at the end of that. 0.99

00:20:08.000 It was just fucking chaos. 0.99

00:20:11.000 She's had two fights that ended like that. 0.99

00:20:14.000 With like one second to go, she finishes the fight. 1.00

00:20:17.000 Yeah.

00:20:18.000 It's a tough girl.

00:20:19.000 Yeah.

00:20:19.000 So, anyway, MMA math is ridiculous.

00:20:22.000 It doesn't work. 0.88

00:20:23.000 And you might be the best example of how it doesn't work.

00:20:26.000 But, so, you go to this... 1.00

00:20:28.000 The Mayo Clinic puts you on antidepressants because you just feel like shit. 1.00

00:20:33.000 I feel like shit and because, like... 1.00

00:20:36.000 Of the different endocrine problems that I had, right? 0.99

00:20:38.000 So I can't have any of the medications that'll help that.

00:20:42.000 So I have to be more conservative with it.

00:20:44.000 And one way they thought to do it is because my cortisol levels are really high.

00:20:47.000 They're talking about...

00:20:49.000 And I mean, granted, I have a lot of stress, especially like...

00:20:52.000 You know, life hasn't been easy these past...

00:20:54.000 Single mom, your husband passes away, you're in the toughest, probably the toughest sport on the planet.

00:21:00.000 Trying to be the best at it, too.

00:21:01.000 Yeah.

00:21:01.000 And you're elite.

00:21:02.000 You're in the top ten.

00:21:03.000 So you're in this weird position where you never know when you're going to fight or who you're going to fight.

00:21:08.000 There's a constant amount.

00:21:09.000 And it's not like you're making millions of dollars doing it either.

00:21:11.000 No.

00:21:11.000 Well, and it's expediting healing for me.

00:21:14.000 And I also have a kid going through what I'm going through.

00:21:17.000 So it's not like I get to like split and cut corners and just, you know, it's like there's maintenance to be done at all times with that.

00:21:23.000 So I go there, they tell me, you know, we could probably lower your cortisol levels if we could lower your stress levels.

00:21:29.000 So we'll try antidepressants.

00:21:31.000 What did that make you feel like? 1.00

00:21:33.000 Flat as fuck. 1.00

00:21:34.000 Can I say fuck on this? 1.00

00:21:38.000 I just didn't know if I have a quota before I'm a bad person. 1.00

00:21:42.000 Do I get added to a certain lip?

00:21:46.000 No.

00:21:46.000 There's zero restrictions.

00:21:47.000 You can say whatever you want on this show.

00:21:49.000 Talk like there's no one listening.

00:21:52.000 Got it.

00:21:53.000 So, yeah, they put me on.

00:21:56.000 They made you feel flat.

00:21:57.000 Flat.

00:21:58.000 Which, like, all that training camp, getting ready for Juliana, I'm just like, I'm like, okay, it'll take off in the fight.

00:22:06.000 Like, I'll feel good in the fight.

00:22:07.000 So, like, no adrenaline, no...

00:22:09.000 No ups, no downs, no pissed off, like, want to kill you, no nothing, you know?

00:22:15.000 And...

00:22:16.000 So, not scared, but not happy?

00:22:18.000 No, and I was like, why am I not nervous the way that I get nervous? 0.98

00:22:22.000 Like, I was okay, which usually, like, especially two weeks out, I have this, like, flush of emotions, you know, where I'm, like, fetal position in the corner, like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:22:32.000 And then once it's over, all I want to do is kill, you know? 0.97

00:22:36.000 But, like, and I didn't have that either.

00:22:39.000 It kind of made me nervous, because my other friend, Barb Honcheck, she's a new 25-er, um... 0.96

00:22:46.000 We would always call each other and laugh at how dumb we were being at that point.

00:22:49.000 Like, look at me. 0.77

00:22:53.000 But that was all gone. 1.00

00:22:55.000 What shit did they put you on? 0.99

00:22:58.000 What was this one? 1.00

00:23:00.000 Oh my gosh.

00:23:01.000 Zoloft, Paxil...

00:23:03.000 Keep going.

00:23:05.000 Prozac.

00:23:06.000 What do they have?

00:23:07.000 Do you know any, Jamie?

00:23:09.000 Effexor.

00:23:10.000 Effexor?

00:23:10.000 I don't know, is that one?

00:23:11.000 Effexor and... 1.00

00:23:11.000 Jamie's playing stupid over there. 1.00

00:23:13.000 He's like, I don't know. 1.00

00:23:14.000 Crazy pose.

00:23:15.000 He's on everything.

00:23:17.000 Twice a day.

00:23:18.000 Just kidding, just kidding.

00:23:19.000 Just Tic Tacs.

00:23:21.000 He just tries them out.

00:23:23.000 So they put you on this stuff and did they try different ones?

00:23:28.000 No, because...

00:23:30.000 There's not a lot of time.

00:23:31.000 There isn't.

00:23:33.000 I'm like, I need the side effects matter.

00:23:36.000 These can't be ones that make me gain a bunch of weight.

00:23:38.000 They can't make me...

00:23:40.000 I need to still be able to sleep.

00:23:42.000 I have to be able to have enough highs and lows to be able to function and learn and whatever.

00:23:48.000 So this is the best they could have for me.

00:23:51.000 Anyway, I fight that fight with Juliana.

00:23:54.000 I feel like the first round, I came out how I wanted.

00:23:57.000 And then halfway through the second round...

00:24:00.000 It was just awful.

00:24:01.000 She had my old coaches in her corner. 0.94

00:24:05.000 You know what's weird about that fight is I could hear you.

00:24:09.000 This is where the flat came in.

00:24:11.000 I didn't feel like I was in the fight.

00:24:13.000 I could see Herb Dean's feet and I could hear you talking about us.

00:24:18.000 And I saw... 0.56

00:24:21.000 Like, I could hear Juliana's coaches, and it was breaking my heart that they were coaching against me, because they were my Colorado gym, and she went and trained with them, and I know she had trained with them previously, I mean, before she had taken the fight, but to me it was, like, fucked up to hear, you know, and it hurt me in a way, like, it's...

00:24:41.000 I wish I could explain it better, but it was like I heard them and I just wanted to go home.

00:24:46.000 You know, I look at the clock and I'm like, can this just be over?

00:24:48.000 I don't want to go back to Colorado.

00:24:50.000 I want to move.

00:24:51.000 And I literally, on this side of the cage, I had my past in Colorado.

00:24:55.000 I had these coaches.

00:24:56.000 I had the drama with that gym.

00:25:00.000 How everything went.

00:25:01.000 And then on this side, it was like all new problems.

00:25:04.000 Like San Diego, Eric and them were good.

00:25:06.000 Like there was a lot of training partners there.

00:25:08.000 It was sunny.

00:25:08.000 It was similar to Colorado, different, but in the right ways, you know?

00:25:12.000 So the Juliana fight, you were in San Diego training for that fight or no?

00:25:16.000 Yeah, I just flew out for it for the training camp.

00:25:20.000 And while you flew out there, you were still taking the antidepressants?

00:25:23.000 Mm-hmm.

00:25:24.000 And did that fight convince you to stop taking them?

00:25:27.000 Yeah.

00:25:27.000 So after that fight, I went to...

00:25:30.000 What did I do?

00:25:31.000 I think I went to the...

00:25:33.000 I was at the PI. I was working with Novinsky and people on, like, what to do about that.

00:25:38.000 UFC Performance Institute.

00:25:40.000 Dr. Gordon.

00:25:40.000 Mm-hmm.

00:25:41.000 Mark Gordon.

00:25:41.000 Yeah, to help me with all of that, too, because he thought there was a more conservative way to help me with those issues as well.

00:25:47.000 And so I was talking with him.

00:25:50.000 I had him talk to them.

00:25:51.000 They were all trying to figure out a way, but still there's no ways to even just naturally bring you up.

00:25:57.000 Did you think about retiring?

00:25:58.000 Yeah, and that's the thing is the center was really the place that was like, okay, I'm gonna go here.

00:26:04.000 I've tried everything else.

00:26:06.000 I'm gonna go here and if they can't fix me, then I'm gonna have to be done.

00:26:11.000 How crazy is that? 0.97

00:26:12.000 How fucking hard does Amanda Nunes hit? 1.00

00:26:14.000 It's nuts. 1.00

00:26:16.000 I don't want to say she hits like a dude because that's kind of weird. 0.89

00:26:19.000 She hits like a dude, I'll say it. 1.00

00:26:23.000 I remember being surprised.

00:26:26.000 I remember having this open guard on the ground and kind of like, come here, I dare you.

00:26:31.000 And then she hit and I was like, oh, oh.

00:26:35.000 Oh, you have those! 1.00

00:26:37.000 The fuck? 1.00

00:26:39.000 Yeah, you could see the look on people's face when she hits him. 1.00

00:26:42.000 You saw it with Rhonda right away.

00:26:44.000 There's a part in that fight, because I watched our fight after, and you...

00:26:50.000 She hit me and I think it had to be when I hurt my head because it dropped my arm and it dropped my neck.

00:26:58.000 And I just remember seeing the little Tweety birds and I was pumped because I was like, that's where the cartoons get it from. 0.99

00:27:04.000 It's because somebody explained that shit. 0.99

00:27:06.000 That's exactly where they got it. 1.00

00:27:07.000 It's like, woo!

00:27:08.000 And my arm, I couldn't get my arm back up.

00:27:12.000 And I remember listening to you and you're like, Cubs is not intelligently defending herself.

00:27:17.000 I'm like, listen, Joe! 1.00

00:27:20.000 That fucker won't work. 1.00

00:27:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:27:23.000 You know, and then she screwed up because she grabbed my knee.

00:27:26.000 And my knee was the one that was like the catalyst to all my problems over the last couple years. 0.99

00:27:30.000 And it was just like, don't fucking touch that. 0.95

00:27:32.000 And after that, I was just like, I just... 0.99

00:27:35.000 So you got angry when she grabbed your knee?

00:27:36.000 Yes.

00:27:37.000 It was the wrong knee, but I knew what she was trying to do.

00:27:39.000 Right, right, right.

00:27:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:40.000 Yeah.

00:27:42.000 And then on top of that is like it's just I don't know the rest of it was just like punishing her she's kind of like sassy before the fight anyways like in awkward ways like not even like cool hypey ways like just staring at me really weird in a room where it was just like me and Tim Kennedy sitting there eating like watermelon and stuff after weigh-ins and I look over and she's just like like staring at me all weird I was like damn Tim's like dude I'm like I know what do we do?

00:28:09.000 I'm like, I can throw a plate of watermelon at her. 1.00

00:28:12.000 I can throw a table.

00:28:13.000 I don't know which one we're doing here.

00:28:15.000 Right.

00:28:16.000 Wow.

00:28:17.000 When you stopped her, we've played the recording of you screaming like...

00:28:24.000 Maybe 10 times on this podcast.

00:28:26.000 Because to this day, that is one of the rawest moments I've ever seen inside the Octagon. 0.95

00:28:34.000 Like when you jump, like when they stopped that fight and you screamed, it was fucking bone chilling.

00:28:40.000 It was, it's so, I mean, I'm sure you've heard it, but that, here it is right here.

00:28:45.000 Play it, Jamie.

00:28:47.000 Listen.

00:28:47.000 Dude.

00:28:52.000 That's like from your genes. 1.00

00:28:57.000 That's some cellular level shit. 1.00

00:29:00.000 That's intense. 0.99

00:29:02.000 It's relief.

00:29:03.000 It's like we lived.

00:29:08.000 They didn't.

00:29:09.000 We get to eat.

00:29:11.000 They don't.

00:29:14.000 It's relief.

00:29:16.000 It's primal.

00:29:18.000 Yeah, I mean, you were, like you said, you lived.

00:29:21.000 Because that was, I mean, look, it's just a fight.

00:29:24.000 There is a referee.

00:29:25.000 You're going to be saved.

00:29:26.000 But one of the things that George St. Pierre said last week when he was on the podcast, he said the mentality that you go in there, the way you fight, you are a warrior.

00:29:35.000 Like, you know that you're going to be rescued, but you are fighting for your life. 0.98

00:29:39.000 And when you're fighting a fucking killer like Amanda, and you get lit up like you did and survive that first round, then go back and stop her. 0.99

00:29:49.000 That's where that comes from. 1.00

00:29:50.000 I mean, that was just fucking intense. 0.97

00:29:52.000 Well, it's the practicality to me, right? 0.98

00:29:55.000 Like, yes, exactly.

00:29:56.000 We have a referee.

00:29:56.000 We have cage walls.

00:29:58.000 We have whatever, you know, fans.

00:30:00.000 It's entertaining people.

00:30:01.000 But, like, I need to know.

00:30:02.000 I need to know that, like, that be in nature.

00:30:07.000 You know, that be doing whatever.

00:30:08.000 That be self-defense.

00:30:09.000 That be... 1.00

00:30:10.000 Fuck us fighting over territory or food or whatever. 1.00

00:30:13.000 I need to know what would happen. 1.00

00:30:16.000 That's why I want these finishes.

00:30:18.000 We only get 15 minutes to be able to tell ourselves what would have happened in that situation.

00:30:23.000 And when it goes to a decision, I'm pissed because I don't know.

00:30:27.000 You know?

00:30:28.000 Like, you don't know.

00:30:28.000 Especially these three-round fights where I'm waking up, like, these last couple fights, like, late in the fight, I'm pissed because I'm like, I don't know.

00:30:36.000 If that would have been another 30 minutes or another two hours that we're scrapping in the woods, like, who gets the bone?

00:30:42.000 You know?

00:30:42.000 I want to know.

00:30:43.000 And so that's, it's crazy, and it's your practicality, and it's your survival, and this is the way I get to know myself.

00:30:50.000 Dude, that's deep.

00:30:52.000 Who gets the bone? 0.98

00:30:54.000 Whew! 1.00

00:30:56.000 Damn! 0.99

00:30:56.000 The way you just put it, I don't think I've ever heard anybody put it that way. 0.99

00:31:00.000 You need to know.

00:31:02.000 Yeah.

00:31:03.000 That's intense.

00:31:05.000 But I get it.

00:31:07.000 I get it.

00:31:08.000 That's where that scream comes from.

00:31:11.000 You got the bone.

00:31:17.000 So, you go down to San Diego.

00:31:18.000 What was your shortlist?

00:31:20.000 By the way, I'm a huge fan of Eric.

00:31:24.000 Alliance is just one of the best camps, for sure.

00:31:27.000 And I think Eric Del Fiero is probably one of the most underrated.

00:31:30.000 And because he doesn't toot his own horn.

00:31:31.000 He's in the shadows, laid back...

00:31:35.000 Doesn't want any attention.

00:31:36.000 Just not trying to get any attention like he's the last guy to like request attention You know but super super knowledgeable and one of the best guys in a corner to like his advice is always excellent I Never never heard him say the wrong thing in the corner.

00:31:51.000 He's always like on point But what was your short list of places to go to besides the Lions?

00:31:57.000 I went to go to New Mexico Yes, but I feel like I'm not trying to walk in on Holly and make shit weird.

00:32:06.000 We're going to fight each other at some point, I know.

00:32:10.000 I don't want to be that guy.

00:32:13.000 Although I know I'm welcome and I know that everyone there has always been nice.

00:32:16.000 I've gone and trained there before and it's been good.

00:32:19.000 But it's just not a cool move.

00:32:22.000 I went down to Arizona with Crouch.

00:32:27.000 Loved it there.

00:32:28.000 Another great guy.

00:32:29.000 I feel the same way about him.

00:32:31.000 Same, yeah.

00:32:31.000 Very, very, very humble.

00:32:34.000 Very good.

00:32:35.000 Super knowledgeable, too.

00:32:37.000 LA was cool, too, but it was a lot of that driving around and the traffic and congestion, and I couldn't sacrifice the...

00:32:46.000 Yeah, it is...

00:32:48.000 So many people here.

00:32:49.000 Yeah, and coming from Colorado and coming from like chill outdoorsy, you can drive 20 minutes and be somewhere no one's ever stood before, to like stuck in traffic, breathing air you don't want to breathe, like everyone's a little pissed off, but no one really knows why.

00:33:04.000 Yeah, so many people.

00:33:06.000 Jamie's right.

00:33:07.000 Jamie's been saying this forever.

00:33:08.000 Yeah.

00:33:08.000 We're gonna leave.

00:33:09.000 We're gonna leave together.

00:33:11.000 We're thinking of bailing.

00:33:13.000 Yeah?

00:33:14.000 Yeah.

00:33:14.000 Where would you go?

00:33:15.000 Maybe Colorado.

00:33:16.000 It's so dope.

00:33:17.000 It's pretty dope.

00:33:17.000 So good there.

00:33:18.000 Damn. 0.99

00:33:19.000 Food culture could be better there. 0.99

00:33:21.000 I wish we could combine that food culture of LA. What kind of food culture?

00:33:24.000 What are you into?

00:33:25.000 I mean, I'm into health food.

00:33:28.000 I'm into ethnic food.

00:33:30.000 I like trying new stuff all the time.

00:33:32.000 I'm not very food chain-y.

00:33:34.000 I'm into fire and meat.

00:33:36.000 Yeah.

00:33:37.000 That's what I like.

00:33:37.000 I know.

00:33:38.000 It's so good.

00:33:39.000 That's what I like.

00:33:39.000 So good.

00:33:40.000 Meat over fire.

00:33:41.000 Yeah.

00:33:42.000 So I've decided. 0.99

00:33:43.000 I've tried all kinds of different shit. 0.99

00:33:44.000 I always go for the steak. 0.99

00:33:48.000 Vegetables are great.

00:33:49.000 I love vegetables.

00:33:50.000 Yeah.

00:33:50.000 But you can get them anywhere.

00:33:52.000 You can get them in Colorado.

00:33:53.000 Not really.

00:33:54.000 I mean, it's not exactly the produce capital of the world up there.

00:33:57.000 No, but you can get them.

00:33:58.000 Yeah.

00:33:58.000 Yeah, it's not the best.

00:34:00.000 Yeah.

00:34:00.000 Just get a greenhouse.

00:34:02.000 Grow some tomatoes.

00:34:03.000 Yeah.

00:34:03.000 On my spare time.

00:34:04.000 So, did you try Montreal?

00:34:07.000 Did you think about Five Star?

00:34:08.000 I did not.

00:34:10.000 Well, I thought about it, but I didn't get up to Canada.

00:34:14.000 I went to Thailand.

00:34:17.000 I went to Mexico.

00:34:18.000 I went to...

00:34:20.000 Do you think about going to Thailand?

00:34:21.000 Yeah, I mean, when I'm there, especially, it's like such, it's a Buddhist culture.

00:34:27.000 People are so happy. 0.98

00:34:29.000 I mean, you have your shit there just like you have everywhere else, but at the same time, like, the Muay Thai training is good. 0.98

00:34:36.000 I know the places I would go to jiu-jitsu, like the Fairtex in Pattaya is... 0.93

00:34:42.000 is coming around and pretty solid like I've been considered that for this camp just to kind of like make some changes because I really want to have that influence and that like exposure to the authentic Muay Thai again like when I looked back at my most successful and most happy times after these three fights I've lost three in a row like that doesn't happen I'm not saying you know I'm like no I'm better than this like something's up and I know there's a lot that I need to work on I mean Like,

00:35:09.000 my life in general, and I'm doing it, and I'm happy to be doing it, and I'm happy to be getting the lessons, even if this is how I have to get them. 0.99

00:35:16.000 Like, fuck it. 0.99

00:35:17.000 At least I know. 1.00

00:35:18.000 So, I tried to look back and analyze, like, what was I doing when I was my favorite fighter, when I was feeling the best, and it was, like, very traditional, thick Muay Thai and very traditional, thick Jiu-Jitsu.

00:35:31.000 So, that this camp...

00:35:33.000 Has been something that I'm going to also be outsourcing because I want to be in that element.

00:35:39.000 So I'm doing actual Muay Thai with John X. He's a Jeremy Stevens Muay Thai coach, I think, too.

00:35:45.000 And then my Jiu-Jitsu with Atos.

00:35:49.000 Because before, I would do these separate disciplines, put them together in drills and sparring, and then go mangle people.

00:35:55.000 And then have fun with it because it's like these little goals I'd set, like this little bucket list I would take into a fight with me.

00:36:02.000 And try to pull those things off and then go learn new stuff and then go try to do that.

00:36:06.000 That's why I was constantly evolving every fight.

00:36:08.000 Even the fight with Amanda when I snapped her down and I had her by her head and everyone's screaming, knees, knees!

00:36:14.000 I'm like, hold my beer.

00:36:16.000 And that's when I go and I throw her with the, you know, the, what do they call it, a DDT? It wasn't.

00:36:21.000 It was a freestyle front headlock suplex.

00:36:24.000 But it was like...

00:36:26.000 I want every fight to be different and fun.

00:36:29.000 Know what I have, but see what else I got. 0.97

00:36:32.000 I don't even get to play that right now because I'm fucking up. 0.67

00:36:37.000 I'm not doing what I want in these fights, so I decided to take steps backwards.

00:36:41.000 How do you feel in training?

00:36:43.000 In training?

00:36:46.000 I don't know.

00:36:48.000 Something's been missing and I'm partially wondering if it's that.

00:36:52.000 Every fight I'm looking to make improvements and change.

00:36:56.000 I'm not going to ever sit here and say I know everything.

00:36:59.000 I have no excuses.

00:37:00.000 Ketlin found a way to beat me.

00:37:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:03.000 Juliana found a way to beat me. 1.00

00:37:04.000 I kind of beat myself in that one, too, because I let my head get into me, you know, and that sucked.

00:37:09.000 And again, another thing for me to have put time in, and I'm happy I did, but I mean, that got me to move to San Diego.

00:37:16.000 So, I mean, I'm happy for that message.

00:37:18.000 It cost me a lot of money to get that message, but I'll take it.

00:37:21.000 Right.

00:37:22.000 And Ketlyn, yeah, she found a way to beat me. 1.00

00:37:24.000 And to have been beaten by Jiu-Jitsu when I feel very accomplished in Jiu-Jitsu, that stung differently.

00:37:30.000 It stung way differently than just someone else getting their hand raised.

00:37:34.000 Do you feel when you're in training that you're the same as you were before when you were at your best?

00:37:40.000 When I was at my best?

00:37:41.000 No, but it's something that I'm working on.

00:37:43.000 I know I have the hang-ups that I have.

00:37:47.000 I know there's a ton of mental stuff.

00:37:50.000 One, just how life happened and constantly having...

00:37:54.000 I had this expedited adaptation to training.

00:37:56.000 I had to get new coaches.

00:37:57.000 I had to find new gyms.

00:37:59.000 I had to do all of this while in grief and being under...

00:38:03.000 This isn't the most... 0.99

00:38:05.000 Forgiving crowd, you know, like when you're having a shit day, definitely not. 0.99

00:38:09.000 Oh, they're the worst. 1.00

00:38:10.000 It's crazy. 0.72

00:38:11.000 It's crazy because it's such a...

00:38:13.000 Like, you're so exposed and you're so vulnerable as a fighter and the fans might be the meanest.

00:38:19.000 Well, and...

00:38:20.000 Yes, they're so mean.

00:38:22.000 But I feel like I have the best fans, too.

00:38:25.000 Like, I have the ones...

00:38:26.000 The ones who really love you.

00:38:27.000 They're so ride or die and, like, I'm so proud of them.

00:38:30.000 But, um...

00:38:32.000 I didn't even start doing my own social media.

00:38:34.000 My husband did my social media. 0.99

00:38:37.000 And so, all of a sudden, I get thrown into social media and how social media works when I'm at my most low, vulnerable- And you're reading all that shit? 0.98

00:38:45.000 I didn't know you're not supposed to. 0.98

00:38:46.000 I'm looking at it like investments, right?

00:38:49.000 I'm like, oh, here's the stock.

00:38:50.000 I'm going to put money into this stock and let's just see how it turned out.

00:38:54.000 Oh, that's funny.

00:38:54.000 And then I was like, oh.

00:38:55.000 And I think the first person that ever told me not to do that was Callan.

00:39:00.000 Like, later, he's like, never read the comments.

00:39:01.000 Brian Callan?

00:39:02.000 What are you doing? 1.00

00:39:02.000 Yeah, Brian Callan doesn't read shit. 1.00

00:39:04.000 He's like, don't read the comments. 0.99

00:39:05.000 But I'm like, well, how will I know how I did? 0.98

00:39:07.000 He's like, just fucking know and hear. 0.96

00:39:08.000 Yeah, you'll know from your peers. 0.99

00:39:11.000 You'll know from your coaches.

00:39:12.000 And you'll know.

00:39:13.000 You'll know. 1.00

00:39:14.000 Well, I mean, it sucks when you know, like, six hours later you wrote some shit that people are taking wrong. 0.99

00:39:19.000 Or, I mean, it's like an opportunist situation. 1.00

00:39:21.000 They, like, wait for you to fuck up. 0.99

00:39:23.000 And they're like, oh, right there, right there. 0.99

00:39:24.000 I'm like, you know I didn't mean to say that.

00:39:26.000 Or, you know, that's not how I meant it or whatever.

00:39:29.000 It's hard because everybody's text looks the same.

00:39:32.000 Yeah.

00:39:32.000 The text that you would get.

00:39:34.000 From a Howie home or someone you respect versus the text that you get from some fat slob sitting there eating Cheetos, farting into their hands. 0.99

00:39:42.000 The same person. 1.00

00:39:43.000 It looks the same on text, but you're going to get some people that just want to hurt your feelings because they suck and their life is terrible. 0.97

00:39:55.000 Like, I've never met a hater that's doing great. 0.99

00:39:57.000 Like, there's no haters that are like, man, my fucking life is awesome. 0.90

00:40:00.000 But you know what I like doing? 0.97

00:40:01.000 I like going on YouTube and I just go make comments that are just trying to hurt someone's feelings.

00:40:07.000 I just try to cut them to the bone. 1.00

00:40:09.000 Say fucked up shit about dead relatives and what they did wrong. 1.00

00:40:13.000 Those people are all just losers. 1.00

00:40:14.000 Just fucking losers, you know? 1.00

00:40:17.000 I mean, there's just no way around it. 1.00

00:40:19.000 That's all they are.

00:40:20.000 It was so foreign to me because, I mean, in wrestling, like, I did wrestling, I did soccer, volleyball, swimming, like, I never, ever heard anyone be discouraging. 1.00

00:40:29.000 Like, no one ever came to me and was like, fuck you, you suck. 0.99

00:40:32.000 Yeah, because you wouldn't get that from someone who was a fan or someone, even if someone's from an opposing team and, like, she ain't shit, they're just saying that because they want to beat you. 1.00

00:40:42.000 You know, it's like, but the haters that you're dealing with online, they're just... 0.77

00:40:47.000 There's a lot. 0.97

00:40:48.000 Look, life is fucking complicated. 0.96

00:40:51.000 It's hard to get right. 0.94

00:40:53.000 And as you're seeing with your very difficult career, there's a lot of decisions to be made. 0.98

00:41:00.000 You can fuck it up. 0.90

00:41:01.000 You've got to build back up again. 0.98

00:41:03.000 And you're a smart person who's strong and successful. 0.98

00:41:07.000 For losers, life is impossible. 0.91

00:41:10.000 It's impossible. 0.97

00:41:12.000 And so they go through life just angry and depressed and sad and failing at everything they do, but they still have a phone.

00:41:20.000 Or they still have a laptop. 1.00

00:41:21.000 And like, you fucking cunt, you fucking loser. 1.00

00:41:23.000 And that's what you're getting. 1.00

00:41:25.000 That's what you're getting.

00:41:25.000 You're getting all that anger.

00:41:27.000 You don't even know this person.

00:41:28.000 Why are they angry at you?

00:41:29.000 Because they're angry at life. 1.00

00:41:30.000 Because life has fucked them in the ass. 1.00

00:41:32.000 That's why they're angry. 1.00

00:41:33.000 They're angry at life because... 1.00

00:41:35.000 They got dealt a shit existence, right? 1.00

00:41:38.000 They have bad genetics. 1.00

00:41:40.000 They have a bad family.

00:41:42.000 They have a bad job.

00:41:43.000 They live in a bad neighborhood.

00:41:44.000 They have bad people around them.

00:41:46.000 They feel bad.

00:41:48.000 Everything's wrong, but they still get to talk. 0.99

00:41:51.000 They still get to talk shit, and they still get to type things, type mean things out. 0.81

00:41:55.000 That's why you can't read comments. 0.99

00:41:57.000 Because it's fucking hot. 0.98

00:41:58.000 The only thing you could do is inspire with your work, with what you do. 0.96

00:42:02.000 And you do that already.

00:42:03.000 You know, and you're a human being.

00:42:05.000 You're going to make mistakes, and you're going to do things right, and you're going to do things wrong, and you're going to have these epic moments, and you're going to have these failures.

00:42:11.000 Because that's just a part of doing things that are complicated.

00:42:14.000 But you can't read the comments.

00:42:16.000 You definitely can't take them to heart.

00:42:18.000 Noted.

00:42:18.000 Yes.

00:42:20.000 Noted.

00:42:21.000 Got me good a couple of times.

00:42:22.000 Like, it'll fuck up your day.

00:42:23.000 Yeah, it can fuck up your day.

00:42:25.000 Yeah.

00:42:26.000 Yeah.

00:42:27.000 Can't let that happen.

00:42:28.000 It's sad because those people that are doing that, they're in pain.

00:42:32.000 That's the only reason why they would lash out at you like that.

00:42:35.000 They go, no, I'm just telling the truth.

00:42:37.000 You just can't handle the truth.

00:42:38.000 Even if it was the truth.

00:42:40.000 The way in which people say it and the reason why they're saying it is because they want to hurt your feelings.

00:42:46.000 They're not being kind.

00:42:48.000 You know, there's a lot of that going on today.

00:42:50.000 I mean, even in the media, the way people tell stories and write stories and write articles about people, it's like they're not...

00:42:58.000 It's not just that they're trying to tell the facts and explain what's happening.

00:43:03.000 They're trying to cut people down and hurt people. 1.00

00:43:05.000 And I wonder how much of it has to do with the fact that our fucking president does that. 0.99

00:43:11.000 Because it seems more prevalent now than ever before. 0.99

00:43:14.000 It seems like there's a trend.

00:43:16.000 And I think a lot of One of the things about the president, whoever the president is, is there's some people that are not going to listen to anything he says, but there's a certain amount of people that are going to take his actions and use it as almost like a barometer.

00:43:30.000 An example, yeah.

00:43:31.000 An example of how they should behave and how this country behaves.

00:43:35.000 It's like...

00:43:36.000 He's the top dog. 0.99

00:43:38.000 And when the top dog is insulting people all the time and saying shitty things... 0.95

00:43:42.000 And still can be successful. 0.96

00:43:43.000 Yeah.

00:43:43.000 It lets people know, you want to get ahead?

00:43:46.000 You want to get ahead?

00:43:46.000 You got to do it like him.

00:43:47.000 And then they go out and act like assholes too. 1.00

00:43:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:51.000 It's a bummer.

00:43:52.000 So anyway...

00:43:54.000 You go down to San Diego, and what are they doing for you that gets you off of the antidepressants and gets you feeling better?

00:44:01.000 So, again, you get in there, and it's scary to go.

00:44:06.000 Again, like I said, there's all these different people in there. 0.99

00:44:09.000 The man found the research on it by treating his own autistic kid, and you can see the before and after videos of this kid, and it's like, damn. 0.64

00:44:18.000 Okay, and then I brought my son in too because he has ADHD and he's off his medication now as well.

00:44:25.000 So going in there, they do an EEG first and they can tell which parts of your brain are firing at what hurts and seeing the congruencies and how all of that is happening or not happening.

00:44:38.000 And then they kind of prescribed these machines on your brain that make these electric impulses but they're magnetic to kind of speed up or slow down the different parts of your brain so if the front of your brain is moving slower than the back of your brain or whatever.

00:44:59.000 So, they're noticing, obviously, patterns with fighters, hockey players, football players, like people that are leading with their heads, basically.

00:45:10.000 And then with the veterans, there's emotional things, too.

00:45:14.000 Outbursts.

00:45:17.000 Having to compartmentalize as well. 0.99

00:45:19.000 Some of the shit they see should be upsetting. 0.99

00:45:22.000 But there's different ways that we can train our brain to drop things like that. 0.99

00:45:27.000 And then PTSD is when it's involuntary and it all comes in and that.

00:45:32.000 So...

00:45:33.000 You know, I've been diagnosed with PTSD. I had walked in there with medication because of being depressed and the anxiety and all of that.

00:45:43.000 Like, my symptoms were terrible.

00:45:45.000 And I know they're a combination of things, but even, like, my straddle reflex.

00:45:49.000 Like, you know, I could hear someone come walking around the corner, like, clack, clack, clack, hear their shoes.

00:45:54.000 But the second I'd see them, it would stop my heart for a second. 0.99

00:45:57.000 And that's, like, shit on your adrenal glands, you know? 1.00

00:46:00.000 And... 0.98

00:46:01.000 Um, all this stuff was, you know, an anxiety that, um, I don't know, it was hard to fall asleep at night.

00:46:09.000 Uh, you know, my memory was crap and this is all, you know, different stuff happening in all these other fighters that I know as well.

00:46:17.000 But I mean, like I said, I've been trying things so much, so much over the past few years that I get excited about and either it works or it doesn't.

00:46:26.000 And, um, the The point is now I found this and I feel better from this, but I was so excited about all these other things.

00:46:36.000 I can't just start telling everybody of the new thing that I found because I've said that and been excited about everything else.

00:46:42.000 What are the things you've been excited about?

00:46:44.000 Like, the Equoscope, it's like a...

00:46:46.000 What's that?

00:46:47.000 It's a...

00:46:48.000 Same thing.

00:46:50.000 It's kind of like a TENS machine or a STEM machine, but like a super, super low frequency.

00:46:54.000 And that's badass, too.

00:46:55.000 Like, it helped on injuries.

00:46:57.000 Like, you know, if I rolled my ankle or hurt my toe, like, you could bring the swelling down from this to normal, essentially, in like an hour and a half, just working with this, like...

00:47:07.000 Tens unit on it and and I mean they they originally used it for racehorses and and for you know Super expensive million-dollar horses like the equipment they brought over.

00:47:17.000 It was like 90 grand and like like these really Specific like special metals that were put into these plates and you know they would do stuff like that But that wasn't working on my head It was working on injuries, and it was working on, I want to say it helped with, like, my digestive system, maybe, or my, I don't remember.

00:47:39.000 Some other things it was helping with, too, but what, you know, I started doing that, or I was doing that when I walked into Mindset and started doing that treatment.

00:47:49.000 And so what do they do at Mindset?

00:47:50.000 So you sit in a chair, you know, and they put this prescription in this machine, and the machine has kind of got like an arm that goes on a specific part of your brain, and you close your eyes and it sends these magnetic pulses into your head.

00:48:07.000 And, I mean, you don't feel anything.

00:48:09.000 It's almost like you can hear what it feels like.

00:48:13.000 I don't know how to describe it.

00:48:15.000 It's a sense.

00:48:16.000 It's sensual, but it's not exactly hearing and it's not exactly feeling.

00:48:21.000 But you can tell something's happening.

00:48:23.000 Yeah.

00:48:23.000 And I mean, you leave the place after your treatment.

00:48:27.000 I would go twice a day.

00:48:28.000 It's 45 minutes away, both ways.

00:48:31.000 So I'm driving a lot every day to go to do this because I want to give it a fair shot.

00:48:37.000 You do it every day?

00:48:38.000 I do.

00:48:39.000 Every day.

00:48:39.000 I haven't gone these past couple weeks because stuff with my kids' schedule, school is almost out, and then wanting to try out different things, different coaches as far as these new disciplines go.

00:48:51.000 So I haven't been there as much.

00:48:53.000 But yeah, for the last August, I believe, is when I was really, really getting into it and going twice a day.

00:49:02.000 45 minutes each way, twice a day.

00:49:04.000 Twice a day?

00:49:05.000 Yeah.

00:49:05.000 So you would spend 45 minutes...

00:49:08.000 One way.

00:49:09.000 One way, go back, and then go back again, and then go back. 0.97

00:49:13.000 Why don't you just fucking move closer to where the place is? 0.94

00:49:15.000 Because Alliance was down there. 0.98

00:49:17.000 And so I would drop my kid off at school, I would run, and then I would go there, I would do my treatment, I'd go back to practice down in southern San Diego, then I'd get my son, and then we'd go up there for the afternoon session.

00:49:31.000 And then I'd come back down and we'd go to his sports and then I'd have my second two-a-day.

00:49:35.000 Jesus.

00:49:37.000 That does not leave a lot of free time for Kat Zingano. 1.00

00:49:40.000 Oh, hell no.

00:49:41.000 Oh, hell no. 1.00

00:49:42.000 Just that alone could be stressful and all that fucking driving. 0.99

00:49:45.000 But I was seeing the results. 0.98

00:49:46.000 That was the crazy thing is I was feeling better.

00:49:49.000 So tell me what happened.

00:49:49.000 What did the results feel like?

00:49:51.000 When I just walked in like...

00:49:54.000 God, I couldn't sleep.

00:49:55.000 I had just anxiety.

00:49:58.000 I had that startle effect going. 1.00

00:50:02.000 My memory was shit. 0.97

00:50:03.000 And these are all things that I went to the UFC PI to talk to them about. 0.99

00:50:07.000 Because I'm like, I don't know what to do.

00:50:09.000 They offered me to fight Chris Cyborg at 145. That's more of the same.

00:50:16.000 Yeah, and I was like, well, like, hell yeah, let's take that, but, like, can you guys at least help me get this shit figured out first, please? 0.97

00:50:22.000 You know, and they're like, sure. 0.65

00:50:24.000 So, Duncan French, he's at the...

00:50:28.000 So he went to college and was at Notre Dame using this treatment with the doctor, Kevin Murphy, that runs the mindset.

00:50:39.000 So he was like, this guy is doing a lot of things with people as far as brain health.

00:50:44.000 He's like, go see them when you get back to San Diego.

00:50:47.000 It's kind of far from you, but give it a shot, Kat.

00:50:49.000 I called the guy.

00:50:50.000 I'm on the phone.

00:50:51.000 Super frustrated.

00:50:53.000 Super emotional.

00:50:55.000 I'm at my wit's end.

00:50:56.000 I've tried everything I can think of.

00:50:59.000 Holistic views.

00:51:00.000 Chemical views.

00:51:02.000 Everything.

00:51:03.000 Spending money out of my pocket trying to figure this out.

00:51:05.000 None of this is covered by the UFC. Especially because it's not something I claimed in a fight.

00:51:10.000 I fought Amanda... 1.00

00:51:11.000 And if you don't claim that stuff within the 30 days, you're on your own.

00:51:14.000 And of course my head hurt.

00:51:16.000 Of course I'm dizzy.

00:51:17.000 Of course the lights are bright.

00:51:18.000 Of course I can't think right.

00:51:19.000 I got in a fist fight.

00:51:20.000 And I wasn't doing good in it for a while.

00:51:22.000 So I figured.

00:51:25.000 But then a month and a half, two months out, when I wasn't better, it's like...

00:51:29.000 So even though it clearly came from that fight, you still don't get covered?

00:51:34.000 Mm-mm.

00:51:35.000 What?

00:51:36.000 Well, and it's endocrine stuff too.

00:51:38.000 And it's like, there's very...

00:51:41.000 How could they dispute that that's where it came from, though?

00:51:44.000 You go, hey, sit down.

00:51:45.000 I want you to watch something.

00:51:47.000 And just play that first round. 0.99

00:51:48.000 Go, what the fuck do you think happened? 0.99

00:51:50.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:51:52.000 But, I mean, if you play that video for them, if anybody in the insurance business was denying you coverage, saying that it didn't happen while you were under the banner of the UFC, like, you're out of your fucking mind. 0.99

00:52:03.000 Watch that video. 1.00

00:52:04.000 What do you think is happening while this fucking assassin is throwing bombs at your face? 1.00

00:52:10.000 I mean, that is crazy that that's not covered. 1.00

00:52:14.000 That makes me sick.

00:52:16.000 Oh, it's frustrating because literally you look at the papers, like it cost me more to fight than I make.

00:52:24.000 Listen, it might make sense if it was dealing with a broken hand or a torn ligament or something like that.

00:52:30.000 It might make sense.

00:52:30.000 It might.

00:52:32.000 It does not make any fucking sense if you're talking about brain injuries. 0.95

00:52:35.000 Because anybody who understands how brain injuries work know that there's a considerable amount of time after a fight where you still are suffering from symptoms. 0.98

00:52:44.000 And you might decide 30 days later, 60 days later, 90 days later, you've got to do something about it.

00:52:49.000 Right.

00:52:49.000 Well, I mean, now I know.

00:52:50.000 Now I come out of a fight and I'm like, my pinky hurts, my elbow hurts, my hair hurts, my eyebrow hurts.

00:52:56.000 Like, we're going to claim all of this, you know?

00:52:59.000 Because before I was just being tough, you know?

00:53:01.000 Yeah, but that's what fighters do. 0.94

00:53:02.000 This is why it's so crazy.

00:53:04.000 And I didn't get it and I didn't know.

00:53:06.000 And then...

00:53:07.000 But they should know.

00:53:08.000 If they're in the business of insuring fighters, they should have a larger window where people can claim head injuries.

00:53:15.000 Right.

00:53:16.000 It kind of goes together with any kind of mental anything.

00:53:23.000 You talk about mental illness, you talk about head injuries, you talk about TBI, it all goes into that stigma of you can't see it, so it must not be real.

00:53:30.000 Right.

00:53:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:31.000 Or whatever.

00:53:32.000 So it's like...

00:53:33.000 But that's the head injury business.

00:53:35.000 I mean, basically...

00:53:36.000 The point is to make them drop and be done.

00:53:40.000 I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world to win with a body kick or an arm bar, but the reality is what people like is to see head injuries.

00:53:47.000 We're in the head injury business.

00:53:48.000 Right.

00:53:49.000 You know?

00:53:50.000 Yeah.

00:53:51.000 So, how long after you starting with this treatment do you start to see results?

00:53:58.000 So, the first...

00:53:59.000 I would say...

00:54:01.000 The first thing I noticed was my motor skills in practice.

00:54:05.000 So, you know, I would go...

00:54:06.000 So you think your motor skills were impaired?

00:54:08.000 No.

00:54:09.000 Well, I just feel like I had a block.

00:54:11.000 Like I said, it was comical.

00:54:13.000 And, I mean, you can even ask them at Alliance.

00:54:15.000 And it was funny.

00:54:17.000 It was funny.

00:54:18.000 But not.

00:54:19.000 To have, like, we're in class.

00:54:21.000 You know, we're learning.

00:54:23.000 I'm watching the coaches.

00:54:24.000 Like, they do a drill.

00:54:26.000 And they explain it, and they look up, alright, everybody ready?

00:54:29.000 Ready?

00:54:30.000 One, two, three, go! 0.98

00:54:31.000 And we clap, and I have no fucking idea what we're doing. 0.94

00:54:34.000 We walk off, and there was even a couple of times where they clap, and they're like, Kat, what are we doing? 0.97

00:54:41.000 And I'm like, three kick?

00:54:45.000 And they're like, no, 20 push-ups.

00:54:47.000 And I'm like, man, I'm not just a bad kid talking and not listening.

00:54:52.000 I'm in trouble because I don't hear you.

00:54:55.000 I can not lose eye contact the whole time, sit here and I'm focused.

00:55:00.000 But it's not going in.

00:55:01.000 No, I'm not retaining it.

00:55:03.000 It has to be the last thing that they do. 1.00

00:55:06.000 We can't talk about shit. 0.99

00:55:09.000 If it's the last thing I see, I can go do it. 1.00

00:55:11.000 I could go do it.

00:55:12.000 But if they're like, alright, and then they explain some philosophy about it or do some movement or whatever, then I lose what we're doing.

00:55:20.000 My mind would just go right to something else.

00:55:22.000 I had a very hard time concentrating.

00:55:26.000 You know, it's crazy because when I got to this facility, you know, I didn't know...

00:55:30.000 I didn't necessarily know what I was walking into, but they have you do this questionnaire.

00:55:35.000 And, like, on this questionnaire is, like, all of these things.

00:55:37.000 I'm like, that's part of something.

00:55:39.000 Like, me not being able to focus, that's part of something.

00:55:41.000 My sleep, that's part of something.

00:55:42.000 This startle effect is part of something. 0.98

00:55:44.000 Like, me having these, like, completely, like, specific things that are all on this was like, damn, okay.

00:55:50.000 Like, I didn't even want to see the EEG because I was scared, you know? 0.54

00:55:54.000 I was like... 0.95

00:55:54.000 What if you can't fix me and now I know all the shit that's wrong with me? 0.95

00:55:57.000 That sucks. 0.99

00:55:59.000 But then they show you different EEGs and they take it every single week. 0.96

00:56:04.000 And so you actually get to see it and you get to see the level that you were functioning at, especially the different parts of your brain.

00:56:11.000 And the thing that's awesome about this is you get to keep the results. 0.82

00:56:15.000 Unless you go do exactly what you did and go fuck it up again, you get to keep it.

00:56:20.000 It's not like this maintenance package, which is a problem for these pharmaceutical companies. 0.99

00:56:25.000 There's not a whole lot of retention on it because once people get their brains functioning, as long as you're not sitting there hitting your head against the wall, you get to keep feeling better.

00:56:35.000 These veterans get to go back to To combat or whatever it is their job is.

00:56:41.000 We fighters get to go back.

00:56:43.000 Football players get to go back.

00:56:44.000 I sat in with the Chargers medical staff and talked about our stuff there as well.

00:56:50.000 I don't even remember who else.

00:56:52.000 There was people from all over the country coming in asking about this and needing to sit in and they're looking at these EEGs in particular.

00:57:02.000 So what is it doing?

00:57:04.000 How is it fixing you?

00:57:06.000 So one, I think, you know, there's something with what goes on in your brain with with the thyroid stuff with the endocrine stuff is like getting your damage to your hypothalamus, right?

00:57:18.000 And that's like, That kind of directs all of the information that goes to your thyroid.

00:57:24.000 Your thyroid then sends out everything to your body.

00:57:27.000 When there's a disconnect there, it screws everything up.

00:57:31.000 And then on top of it, now that we're cutting the same weight we've always had to cut, but we don't get IVs, you cannot...

00:57:40.000 100% rehydrate your brain within 45 or 48 hours like you can get your body decently hydrated I believe but your brain is just it's its own thing you know and so now we don't have IVs our hydraulic system in our brain is down and now we're rattling it even more like dehydrated I mean we're just gonna have you know bigger side effects to our brains being dehydrated with that now The damage that comes to the hypothalamus,

00:58:08.000 to the pituitary, to your thyroid, all of that that goes on there, they're saying that you can get it firing back at a level that it was before it got hurt.

00:58:19.000 As long as the cells are still alive in it, they can re-energize those cells.

00:58:24.000 Now, if you have just a dead part of your brain, they're not bringing it back to life, but they can...

00:58:30.000 Use these magnets to kind of fluff them back up, give them back their energy, their life, and put them back into a functional way that was something similar to you at your healthiest.

00:58:43.000 And make it, I mean, not more or less durable, just back- When you were saying motor skills, that's one of the things that they see in fighters that have taken too many shots.

00:58:58.000 They analyze fighters' gaits and one of the things that happens is your legs get closer together, your balance is off, your steps are shorter, you don't have that sort of dynamic fluid motion to your body and you're having a harder time with balance and just motor skills.

00:59:16.000 Totally.

00:59:16.000 So how I felt before going into there was all I had was a gas pedal.

00:59:20.000 I was like, just will, you know, and just fuck them, you know, just because I wasn't reading patterns of people anymore. 0.99

00:59:29.000 Like if someone leans this way a little bit, I'm like, oh, okay, I know what you're thinking. 0.99

00:59:34.000 Like if they step this way or that way and even me juking them and like trying to like faint at them, like...

00:59:40.000 I couldn't even see the reaction I was making them make.

00:59:44.000 I knew what motions in my muscular memory to make them do, but I wasn't getting the feedback because it just wasn't...

00:59:51.000 So that was one of the first things I noticed was going back into practice and watching people's angles and beating them to it and remembering. 0.98

01:00:00.000 I'm like, damn, I don't just have to shoot to shoot. 0.98

01:00:03.000 I can wait and do it when it's the right time. 0.99

01:00:05.000 Or I can even...

01:00:08.000 Take advantage of the fact that I'm making them step back or I can flash fire in their face and jump on them at their knee-jerk reaction. 0.53

01:00:17.000 These things of being able to manipulate the situation and make them adjust to me.

01:00:22.000 I could see that again.

01:00:25.000 So what were you seeing before?

01:00:27.000 I just had go.

01:00:28.000 All I had was go.

01:00:30.000 You didn't see movement?

01:00:31.000 Like say if someone was going to spin and they're like loaded up their hips, you didn't see that?

01:00:35.000 No, it was just hit them first.

01:00:37.000 What were you seeing?

01:00:38.000 All I saw was get there first.

01:00:41.000 All I saw was close the distance, don't get hit in the head, get down, get low, and just be a linebacker. 0.72

01:00:50.000 And hit them because I knew I wasn't seeing that stuff.

01:00:53.000 And the more I tried to see it, The more I would just sit there and wear it because I'm like, any minute now, any minute now, I'm going to catch the pattern.

01:01:01.000 I'm going to catch the pattern.

01:01:02.000 But it wasn't there for you.

01:01:03.000 And it wasn't popping up.

01:01:03.000 So then all I had was just tap.

01:01:05.000 So even if you were just like super light sparring, just moving around, you didn't see it?

01:01:11.000 No.

01:01:11.000 No, not really, no.

01:01:13.000 Wow.

01:01:13.000 Yeah.

01:01:14.000 That's fucking terrifying. 0.99

01:01:15.000 I was like, yeah, it was really scary. 0.99

01:01:17.000 And I'd even get to a good position in jiu-jitsu and I'd be like, I know I know stuff here.

01:01:22.000 I know I know stuff here.

01:01:23.000 But you didn't know what to do.

01:01:24.000 What was it?

01:01:25.000 I know I know stuff.

01:01:26.000 But it wasn't, especially with adrenaline firing, it wasn't just happening for me.

01:01:33.000 And so three, four weeks into that, all of a sudden that fog was starting to go down a bit.

01:01:39.000 Part of it was, and I'm also sleeping better.

01:01:43.000 Were you skeptical before, during the first week? 0.99

01:01:46.000 Oh yeah, because every fucking person I went to could fix me. 0.99

01:01:49.000 Right, and you're driving 45 minutes, like what the fuck am I doing? 1.00

01:01:53.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:01:54.000 In a car I leased. 0.99

01:01:58.000 So all those miles, you know, it's like, damn. 0.99

01:02:01.000 And it's a... 0.99

01:02:04.000 It's super frustrating.

01:02:05.000 Yes, everyone can fix me.

01:02:07.000 Everyone can fix me.

01:02:07.000 And then they don't.

01:02:08.000 And then my heart's broken again.

01:02:10.000 And then I go to the next one and then my heart's broken again.

01:02:12.000 And then the next one. 0.51

01:02:12.000 So this one, I'm like, I'm not even going to tell people about this because I'm sick of fucking hitting up people and being excited about it and telling them to come with me and then it doesn't work and then I'm that guy again. 0.51

01:02:23.000 You know, and so going into this and then watching it work and then seeing all the other people it was working for in there that and they were never trying to push me to promote it.

01:02:31.000 They were like just come in just get here, you know, and and if you like it then tell the because the UFC was talking about getting one of the machines at the PI and they're kind of gonna have me be like a guinea pig for it.

01:02:45.000 Ian McCall went in there too, but it didn't like he he was doing his own kind of I don't think he was coming in often.

01:02:59.000 Oh. 0.97

01:03:00.000 So I think, and the thing is, is that it does stir shit up, right?

01:03:02.000 So like, they mess with your, the levels because again, they have to like, if the back of your brain's running at four hertz and, okay, eight is technically where like you're sleeping, There's part of your brain that could be under your resting hertz, right? 0.77

01:03:18.000 While the front of your brain is running at 12. So that's like high anxiety, but like low energy.

01:03:25.000 And they can almost tell you how you've been feeling lately, which was like...

01:03:29.000 Wow.

01:03:30.000 Nuts to me, right?

01:03:31.000 And they can tell, you know, because of this and this, that you have some OCD tendencies versus this person constantly feels like they have no energy and their memory isn't working and they're emotionally incapable of, like, being in, you know, being a positive force in a relationship right now because they don't have it.

01:03:48.000 So they could read your brain like that? 1.00

01:03:50.000 Damn, I need to get my fucking brain checked out. 1.00

01:03:52.000 You should. 1.00

01:03:53.000 It's scary, though, because, like, when you see that, like, little, like, in there, you're like, what's that?

01:03:57.000 But for me, that's a two-hour drive. 0.99

01:04:00.000 Shit. 0.99

01:04:00.000 I don't know if they have anything up here. 0.99

01:04:03.000 I know that they have a bunch all over.

01:04:06.000 Here it is.

01:04:07.000 This is what it's called.

01:04:07.000 The website's not coming up.

01:04:09.000 Personalized Repetitive Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation, a Non-Invasive Therapeutic Approach to the Treatment of PTSD and Other Neurocognitive Disorders.

01:04:18.000 Kevin T. Murphy, MD, Vice Chair, Department of Radiation and Medicine, Applied Sciences, UC San Diego, Director...

01:04:26.000 Pediatric Radiation Oncology Program, Rady Children's Hospital San Diego.

01:04:31.000 Wow.

01:04:32.000 So that's where you're going.

01:04:34.000 And, I mean, obviously, during this whole thing, you have to be questioning what you do for a living.

01:04:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:41.000 Well, and it's like, okay, so they can fix this.

01:04:43.000 Say they fix it, and then I go do it again, you know?

01:04:47.000 Well, you're gonna fight Cyborg, right?

01:04:49.000 I mean, you were thinking about fixing it, and you were going from one girl who hits like a dude to another girl who might hit like a bigger dude.

01:04:57.000 Mm-hmm.

01:04:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:04:58.000 I mean, Cyborg's fucking terrifying. 0.99

01:05:00.000 And it's like, I know at my healthiest... 0.99

01:05:03.000 Mm-hmm.

01:05:03.000 Like, no problem.

01:05:04.000 I believe that.

01:05:05.000 Like, I believe in myself like that.

01:05:07.000 Like, I can figure them out, especially and find a way to not get hit doing it.

01:05:12.000 Like, I didn't get hit in my MMA career significant hit.

01:05:16.000 Not one significant, significant hit until Amanda. 0.98

01:05:19.000 And then after that, I was getting fucking lit up. 0.98

01:05:22.000 And not even that, even Juliana, she kind of open hand bitch slapped me a little bit from the sides. 1.00

01:05:28.000 But I can find a way to still control it enough to be very effective without taking too much damage.

01:05:38.000 But that slow of my motor skills, my mechanics, it was really bothering me.

01:05:44.000 And that's not how you go fight someone like Cyborg.

01:05:46.000 You don't go in there with that weight in your pocket.

01:05:50.000 It's so important that you're talking about this, because this is such a factor that we don't see.

01:05:56.000 On the outside, other people.

01:05:58.000 Other people than the people that are really close to you that you talk to about these things.

01:06:01.000 Like if we were seeing you fight, and when we see the decline of certain fighters, you see certain fighters, they're in a couple really hard fights, and then you see a decline, like a real obvious decline in their skills and their abilities.

01:06:15.000 Very, very rarely are they opening up about what's going on, about losing memory, about not being able to see patterns in people, about not having their motor skills in tune anymore, that things are off.

01:06:28.000 So you talking about this, I think, it's so important.

01:06:31.000 And it's so important for young fighters to recognize, like, hey, this is also on the table. 0.98

01:06:37.000 Here's a great therapy for it, but this is also a possibility of, you know, if you do fight, Fucking killer like Amanda Nunes. 1.00

01:06:45.000 This is one of the things that can happen to you. 0.98

01:06:47.000 Well, and it's partially because I have man I have teammates.

01:06:51.000 Yeah, I have people that are ten times worse than me that are just like I Mean the stuff I hear the stuff I see it's it's sad and it's scary and they have kids And they're not going anywhere soon, you know, I mean and they're passing their MRIs Right, you know, I mean like the past their MRIs because what does the MRI really see?

01:07:10.000 I don't know.

01:07:11.000 I don't know.

01:07:12.000 But if they went to this place and got all their brain mapped out and find out how everything is firing, it might be a completely different result.

01:07:21.000 Like, we might be retiring people way earlier, at least forcing them into therapy way earlier.

01:07:26.000 It's possible.

01:07:28.000 And that's the thing.

01:07:30.000 It's like the risk needs to be worth the reward.

01:07:32.000 And, you know, like right now in this world, it's juvenile and it's not getting us like this kind of like...

01:07:42.000 I can't afford to take another two years off because I went and I fought cyborg while I'm sick and something bad happens to me.

01:07:49.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:50.000 I want to be sharp and if that means I have to take the time I took off and get healthy and do all these different therapies, conservative, traditional, non-traditional, all of that, so I can feel the way I feel now.

01:08:05.000 I'm pumped.

01:08:06.000 And I'm excited.

01:08:07.000 But that is something that I really want to know that people know they can go do.

01:08:14.000 And it's not vulnerable.

01:08:15.000 It's not saying you're weak.

01:08:17.000 It's not something wrong with you.

01:08:19.000 It's your health and your longevity and your future. 1.00

01:08:22.000 Because that shit, if you don't treat it, it doesn't get better. 1.00

01:08:26.000 And you don't understand the depression. 1.00

01:08:28.000 You don't understand...

01:08:29.000 And there's an identity that goes away with that.

01:08:32.000 Like, seeming like you failed or you can't do it anymore or whatever, like, that mental health aspect that comes with the physical health of your brain, like, that all needs to be more educated as far as these fighters go, as far as all of it goes. 0.95

01:08:47.000 Like, I'm happy to be the guinea pig because I'm, damn, I just want to see everybody okay, you know?

01:08:52.000 Well, I'm happy that you're talking about it, but it's been something that, you know, I've talked about quite a bit and the real problems behind traumatic brain injuries because I've had a bunch of experts and I've talked to a bunch of neurologists and I've talked to neuroscientists and people that are really studying this stuff and I've been real vocal about it and it's a tricky situation because obviously I'm a commentator,

01:09:19.000 but like When someone gets knocked out, I'm very vocal about them taking a long time off.

01:09:24.000 And it was one of the things that happened after Rhonda got knocked out by Holly.

01:09:29.000 They were talking about getting her back within like, it was like four or five months later to fight again.

01:09:35.000 And I was like, they were going to have a rematch with Holly. 1.00

01:09:37.000 I'm like, you guys are fucking crazy. 1.00

01:09:39.000 Like, you're crazy. 1.00

01:09:41.000 She shouldn't be doing anything. 1.00

01:09:43.000 She shouldn't be getting hit.

01:09:44.000 She shouldn't be sparring.

01:09:46.000 She shouldn't be getting her head rattled. 0.98

01:09:48.000 And she definitely shouldn't be fighting Holly fucking home who just kicked her into another dimension five months later or whatever it was, six months later. 1.00

01:09:56.000 I'm like, there's no way. 0.98

01:09:57.000 This should not be happening.

01:09:59.000 You don't even know what's going on yet.

01:10:01.000 You don't even know what kind of damage.

01:10:03.000 I mean, think of what happened with you and Amanda.

01:10:04.000 You stayed conscious, at least.

01:10:06.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

01:10:06.000 I mean, Rhonda got fucking flatlined and then got hammer-fisted in the head while she was flatlined. 0.99

01:10:13.000 It was one of the most brutal knockouts in women's MMA ever. 1.00

01:10:17.000 And you saw when she came back and fought Amanda and got hit, like, right away.

01:10:24.000 That hesitation.

01:10:25.000 Oh, she was just stiffened up and the fear.

01:10:28.000 And then also...

01:10:30.000 Amanda, I felt, even before the Holly Holm fight, I felt like Amanda was the more dangerous fight for her because of her hands. 0.93

01:10:38.000 Because Rhonda's always in this position where she's closing the gap. 1.00

01:10:41.000 She's getting close to you because she wants to clinch up with you and throw you and take you to the ground and armbar you and what have you. 1.00

01:10:47.000 But with Amanda, you're dealing with a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt who knocks people fucking dead with one punch. 1.00

01:10:54.000 Like, it's a terrible matchup, I felt. 0.96

01:10:57.000 Obviously that proved to be true, but what drove me crazy was how dismissive all these people behind the scenes were.

01:11:04.000 All these agents and Hollywood people and all these people that just have no idea what business they're in.

01:11:11.000 They really don't even understand this business.

01:11:14.000 It's basically the business, like we said, of head injuries. 0.99

01:11:18.000 And you're trying to sell this thing where you're dealing with someone who had a fucking significant head injury. 0.98

01:11:26.000 And now you're pushing them back in there with someone who's really good at delivering head injuries. 0.98

01:11:31.000 And is this really all been mapped out?

01:11:34.000 I mean, what kind of training has changed?

01:11:37.000 Is she still with the same coach?

01:11:39.000 Has she done anything differently?

01:11:41.000 What result is going to be different? 0.99

01:11:47.000 The downplaying of the significance of a fucking ruthless knockout like that, I just don't think can be understated. 0.98

01:11:53.000 I think people should take a long time off when they get knocked out like that. 0.99

01:11:57.000 A long time.

01:11:58.000 Yeah.

01:11:59.000 Well, and I mean, especially some sort of invasive treatment from out the gates or something like that.

01:12:07.000 They should be looked at.

01:12:08.000 They should be studied.

01:12:09.000 I mean, I know they put a flashlight in your eyes and ask you if you're okay, send you to the doctor, do whatever, but I mean, like, and I think, honestly, that's what the UFC's, like, effort was in this, in offering this information of this treatment to me was to see, like, hey, is this something that would benefit fighters in a situation like that?

01:12:29.000 It's at the PI. It's not at the PI, but what they were saying is it would be at the PI. Still, but the trick with it is that it is something you need to go to and you need to go to twice a day and have that, like, schedule of it and that routine of it.

01:12:45.000 But us as fighters, like, flying to only Vegas for it and paying our own room and board our own flight, potentially having to fly our coaches in to have to, you know, keep us working and doing whatever while we're working.

01:12:58.000 I mean, it's just, I don't know.

01:13:00.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:13:01.000 It's just tricky business, you know?

01:13:04.000 It's a real tricky business.

01:13:05.000 And how old are you now?

01:13:06.000 35. Do you wonder how much longer you're going to do this?

01:13:09.000 I feel like I got a good couple years left.

01:13:13.000 I'm still having fun.

01:13:15.000 The chess of it is still fun.

01:13:17.000 The training is still fun.

01:13:18.000 I'm still learning and enjoying it.

01:13:23.000 Getting through everything that I'm getting through and learning everything that I'm learning is so inspiring to me because I definitely don't feel done.

01:13:31.000 I still have so much fight in my heart.

01:13:33.000 And I really love putting my hands on people and always advancing and improving.

01:13:40.000 And the day I stop improving, then I can look at that.

01:13:45.000 But right now, I don't care about plan B. I don't care about what's next because that's not what's happening.

01:13:49.000 So your passion for doing is still there.

01:13:52.000 Yeah, and the purpose.

01:13:53.000 The passion is huge.

01:13:55.000 I love the passion.

01:13:56.000 That, to me, is huge.

01:13:58.000 But the purpose, the bigger picture, what I'm doing here, what I was born to do, what I was born to get through.

01:14:05.000 I have to get through this.

01:14:08.000 I want to get through this, and I'm getting through this, and I'm watching myself.

01:14:12.000 And that is like...

01:14:15.000 It's badass to me.

01:14:16.000 It's exciting to me.

01:14:17.000 It's what I'm doing here.

01:14:23.000 I'm all in.

01:14:26.000 I can just make things for myself that I get to show myself every single day that no one could have ever told me.

01:14:36.000 It's all stuff that I know firsthand from my experience, from my world, from me trying things, from me risking things, all of that.

01:14:46.000 To understand myself and to know myself, it's been the biggest reward out of all of this.

01:14:53.000 To know yourself through the struggles and know yourself through the fights.

01:14:57.000 Yeah, all of it.

01:14:58.000 I mean, and like even how much you get to learn just even going into a fight, right?

01:15:02.000 Like realizing, so going into a fight, being on antidepressants, like, okay, I'll wake up, I'll wake up.

01:15:08.000 I don't know what this will do.

01:15:09.000 I feel flat.

01:15:10.000 I don't feel flat.

01:15:11.000 I'll be okay with these people there.

01:15:13.000 I won't be okay with these people here.

01:15:16.000 All of that is very clear about things that, like, this has my attention.

01:15:22.000 Whether I know it or not, that's something in my life that needs to be looked at, needs to be addressed.

01:15:28.000 Okay, there's direction.

01:15:29.000 Like, all I ever want is understanding and direction.

01:15:33.000 Like, I just want to know, you know?

01:15:34.000 And so, I get to deal with that.

01:15:37.000 That leads me to come to San Diego.

01:15:39.000 San Diego is a new chapter in my life that I get to name.

01:15:44.000 Also, for my kid and myself, I get to reveal so much to myself through trying different things and through letting life take me down the path that I'm supposed to without me sitting here freaking out about control, freaking out about things that I can do nothing about.

01:16:03.000 I just want to walk away from all of this.

01:16:08.000 Content and happy with how I did.

01:16:11.000 Whether that means I never have my hand raised again.

01:16:14.000 I don't think that's the case.

01:16:16.000 Like, beating these girls having the belt, that is not a pipe dream. 1.00

01:16:20.000 I already beat them.

01:16:21.000 You know, it's not like I'm incapable of that and I'm just wishing I got my fingers crossed.

01:16:26.000 You know, it's It's not that.

01:16:28.000 My whole journey of my life in sports from being a kid was to meet my highest best, to be my highest good.

01:16:35.000 And that is what's driven me the whole time.

01:16:40.000 I look at these girls and I respect them because they're here doing what I'm doing.

01:16:46.000 We're all just out here trying to be the best at it.

01:16:48.000 We're all trying to participate.

01:16:49.000 We're all trying to, you know...

01:16:51.000 Find ourselves in it and learn what we can learn and go implement it, you know?

01:16:55.000 And so for that, I have respect for every single one of them.

01:16:57.000 Some of them I like less than others.

01:16:59.000 Some of them I like more than others, you know?

01:17:01.000 But really, we're building this stage together.

01:17:05.000 We're doing this together, you know?

01:17:07.000 And I'm extremely proud to be part of something like this.

01:17:11.000 And my position in it and my purpose in it is to, you know, Find my personal good, my personal best.

01:17:19.000 And, you know, this has been an extremely long road for me.

01:17:23.000 Nothing has been easy, and I respect that.

01:17:25.000 Like, I'm grateful for that.

01:17:27.000 Like, all the things I know because of the hard times, like, I feel fortunate to know, you know?

01:17:34.000 And I would never have learned them any other way.

01:17:36.000 And I get to handle them.

01:17:37.000 And not only do I get to handle them, I get to, like...

01:17:42.000 Relate and understand people and see things differently because I get it.

01:17:47.000 You know, maybe not exactly word for word, pinpoint per...

01:17:51.000 pinpoint...

01:17:52.000 Ooh, I'm not even going to try to say that.

01:17:54.000 That was going to make me fall over.

01:17:56.000 Right.

01:17:56.000 But, you know, it's all there and it all matters to me and how I get through this really, really matters to me because I know it matters to other people too.

01:18:05.000 You know?

01:18:05.000 And how they do inspires me as well.

01:18:08.000 Do you know what you're going to do when you stop?

01:18:12.000 I just don't...

01:18:13.000 I mean, I feel like there's...

01:18:14.000 That's the thing.

01:18:16.000 There's this awesome resume I'm building, right?

01:18:18.000 You know, like, I'm a UFC fighter.

01:18:20.000 I'm a national champion in wrestling.

01:18:21.000 Like, I'm...

01:18:22.000 I don't know, constantly advocating and working on myself and trying to help get other people working on themselves, too.

01:18:32.000 Like, I don't know what all that's going to look like.

01:18:34.000 And the thing is, I don't even want to.

01:18:35.000 I don't want to look.

01:18:36.000 I don't want to care about all that yet because that's not where I'm at.

01:18:40.000 And, like, I want to be all in here.

01:18:42.000 I don't want to think about what's next or plan B or how all of that because my heart is here.

01:18:48.000 You know, it's like, what are you going to do in your next marriage?

01:18:51.000 Right.

01:18:52.000 That's a good point, right?

01:18:53.000 Yeah.

01:18:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:54.000 Like, right now I'm here and I'm doing what I'm doing.

01:18:59.000 I'm not looking towards what's next because right now I'm here.

01:19:04.000 That's great.

01:19:05.000 Listen, that's what you want to hear from someone who's fighting.

01:19:07.000 I mean, fighting should be all in.

01:19:09.000 That is the only way to approach it. 0.99

01:19:11.000 If you're a fighter and you're also a neurosurgeon, a part-time real estate salesman, good fucking luck. 0.95

01:19:17.000 You don't have 100% to give everything. 0.98

01:19:20.000 You got one 100%.

01:19:21.000 Especially with something like fighting.

01:19:23.000 It's just such a crazy way to make a living.

01:19:26.000 You really have to be 100% committed to it.

01:19:29.000 It has to be your life.

01:19:30.000 Mm-hmm.

01:19:33.000 And I appreciate the opportunity.

01:19:35.000 I like everything I'm doing right now.

01:19:39.000 And I feel like all of that will be part of what's next.

01:19:42.000 But that'll manifest.

01:19:44.000 That'll figure itself out.

01:19:46.000 I mean, not the hippie way of, oh, everything will be great, I'm sure.

01:19:51.000 When it's time, I'll look at that.

01:19:53.000 But right now, this is what I'm looking at.

01:19:55.000 Also, the kind of drive and discipline and work ethic that you showed to become a top-level MMA fighter and a national champion in wrestling, you could do anything with that.

01:20:04.000 And whatever you set your mind to.

01:20:06.000 I really truly believe that.

01:20:07.000 I mean, I think the biggest problem that fighters have when they retire is finding a thing to put their energy to and then their identity.

01:20:15.000 Because their identity is of a fighter.

01:20:18.000 And when that is taken away from them...

01:20:21.000 There's that and also the thrill.

01:20:23.000 I mean, you guys are experiencing a level of excitement and intensity. 0.95

01:20:29.000 Like, when you're talking about two weeks out, you're crying in the fetal position, going, what the fuck am I doing?

01:20:35.000 But that all... 0.96

01:20:37.000 It builds up to these moments, like that crazy primal scream after you stopped Amanda Nunes.

01:20:44.000 That's an experience that very few people, other than people who fight to the death, are feeling.

01:20:49.000 There's something that you guys are experiencing that, unless you're the person in the woods fighting over that bone, you really don't know.

01:20:59.000 And then for you to go to regular life after that, It's going to be hard.

01:21:05.000 And it's going to be hard for a lot of fighters.

01:21:07.000 It's very difficult for a lot of fighters to find another thing that excites them the way fighting excites them.

01:21:14.000 Because it's such a crazy pursuit.

01:21:17.000 And then on top of that, you're dealing with what you're dealing with.

01:21:20.000 But you're dealing with it publicly.

01:21:22.000 You're talking about it.

01:21:23.000 You're doing a great service to everybody when you're talking about your problems and your issues.

01:21:28.000 Because there's so many fighters that you know that are experiencing this and that I know that are experiencing this.

01:21:35.000 Anybody who's done any sort of martial arts competition and been in gyms, you're going to see people that have taken too many shots.

01:21:44.000 It's just part of the game.

01:21:48.000 What you're doing by talking about it so openly while you're still a top-level fighter is, I think, very, very important for everybody.

01:21:59.000 Thanks.

01:22:00.000 I'm trying, man.

01:22:02.000 It's been a lot of trying things, but I do feel value in this.

01:22:06.000 And I mean exactly when people are done.

01:22:10.000 There's some pride in having to go get a 9 to 5 or whatever after being a fighter at this level. 0.99

01:22:16.000 Mind you, should you not have the fucking brain cells to be in like... 0.99

01:22:21.000 Like a high-functioning thing that you can be proud of, you know? 1.00

01:22:24.000 I mean, it can be really stressful to not live up to the capability that you know you have, but you're just not.

01:22:31.000 Like, there's that wall or that fog or whatever, you know? 0.99

01:22:33.000 So, I mean, I just think people maintaining themselves and doing everything they can, however vulnerable it feels, like, fuck it, do it. 0.97

01:22:41.000 Is it possible that they could spread this therapy across the country? 0.98

01:22:44.000 I mean, how big are these machines?

01:22:46.000 They have...

01:22:46.000 I mean, they look like...

01:22:48.000 So, they have...

01:22:53.000 I don't know if it's on some sort of route or whatever that people would need to be able to show up to or what, but I know they have one in Indiana.

01:23:05.000 I know they're going to have one in Colorado soon, I think relative to the training center.

01:23:09.000 And when you say mobile units, like how big are these mobile units and are they as effective as the one that you're going to?

01:23:15.000 It's a creeper van, you know, with like a little dish of candy in there.

01:23:21.000 Yeah, it's like you get in and it's the same exact chair, you know, and then they have their...

01:23:26.000 They're trained to nurse know where to put it on you. 1.00

01:23:30.000 And then even the EEG, it's a wireless EEG, so I know that every week they make you do the EEG relatively the same time so they can keep good track of what your brain is doing and how to prescribe the levels to be at what on your head.

01:23:49.000 And I think they have one in Arizona.

01:23:52.000 I know there's one in Texas.

01:23:56.000 I want to say there's 12 over the country, but I can't tell you where.

01:23:59.000 And the mobile one, I mean...

01:24:02.000 How big is this?

01:24:03.000 I mean, is this something that a gym could get?

01:24:05.000 Is it prohibitively expensive? 0.99

01:24:07.000 I want to say, again, I might be full of shit, but I think they're like $100,000 for the machine. 0.99

01:24:14.000 But I do know that insurance will cover it because insurance will cover it for migraine, PTSD, and autism, I think? 0.99

01:24:30.000 I think that insurance will cover up for that, but then TRICARE is also accepting them as insurance as well.

01:24:36.000 Wow.

01:24:37.000 And so when they're doing this to you, and you said you got it in August, you started doing it, and you started seeing improvements after, you said, four weeks?

01:24:47.000 Four weeks was the first time I saw improvements and then the bigger improvements were coming later.

01:24:52.000 Does it keep getting better?

01:24:54.000 Is it better now than it was last month?

01:24:56.000 Yeah.

01:24:57.000 To the point where I'm okay not going for three or four weeks.

01:25:02.000 Like I said, these last few weeks have been all about me getting everything right to be in training camp right now.

01:25:07.000 So you feel right now like you felt before the Nunes fight?

01:25:11.000 Right.

01:25:11.000 In the way I'm training, I'm having fun with it again.

01:25:14.000 I'm watching people. 0.99

01:25:15.000 I'm fucking with them. 0.99

01:25:17.000 I'll get them to step that way, and then I'll step that way. 1.00

01:25:19.000 That's got to be very satisfying.

01:25:21.000 Oh my God.

01:25:21.000 Because it was gone for a while.

01:25:22.000 Yeah, it was gone.

01:25:25.000 That is the art to me, is the games and the playing and the, like, getting you to do this so I can do that.

01:25:33.000 And then, you know, like, that was what was fun.

01:25:36.000 Getting in a fight is not fun, right?

01:25:38.000 But the chess, that's what's fun.

01:25:41.000 The game, like... 1.00

01:25:44.000 Making the oohs and the aahs in the crowd happen because you know some gangster shit. 1.00

01:25:49.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:25:50.000 That's fun.

01:25:51.000 That part's fun.

01:25:52.000 Going in and getting cut up and bloody and having headaches and your ankle hurts for a month.

01:25:57.000 It's not fun.

01:25:58.000 No one wants to do that on purpose.

01:26:01.000 I want to go in and do what I can and not get touched and then have it go on a highlight reel.

01:26:06.000 And that wasn't happening for a while.

01:26:08.000 And even on this last one, it was just like, man, I felt better.

01:26:12.000 I totally felt better.

01:26:14.000 But what I needed to change wasn't that.

01:26:17.000 That was fine.

01:26:18.000 What I need to change is other things that I'm changing, and I am.

01:26:22.000 And again, if that's how I have to learn it, cool.

01:26:24.000 But it's all part of the process.

01:26:27.000 At no second in this entire thing have I stopped believing in myself.

01:26:33.000 No second. 1.00

01:26:34.000 The only thing I worried about was like, is my son changing my diapers here in a few years if I keep doing this shit? 1.00

01:26:42.000 I don't want that. 0.99

01:26:44.000 But I never stopped believing that this is what I'm meant to do right here, right now, and I have time.

01:26:49.000 And I have more fights, and I have everything it takes to go out and beat every single one of these girls, some of them again. 1.00

01:26:56.000 I do know.

01:26:58.000 Now, when you're in camp, how many days are you doing?

01:27:03.000 Two a days?

01:27:05.000 Yeah.

01:27:06.000 So, some of them are, it'll be like, sometimes I'll have to add more cardio in the morning.

01:27:11.000 So, like, if there's faster cardio, if I'm heavy, you know, depending on how that goes, it's like a science, obviously.

01:27:16.000 Have you thought about 45?

01:27:18.000 Like, what do you walk around?

01:27:19.000 Yeah.

01:27:19.000 What do you walk around?

01:27:20.000 I can get all the way up to, like, I've been all the way up to 76, but that was before I didn't know.

01:27:26.000 That was when I didn't know I was hypothyroid.

01:27:30.000 Oh.

01:27:31.000 So, I mean, I was eating like 600 calories a day and doing fasted cardio and two workouts and my weight wasn't changing. 0.98

01:27:37.000 My coaches were like, what the fuck's wrong with you? 0.76

01:27:39.000 I'm like, I don't know. 0.99

01:27:41.000 I guess the women in my family get kind of big. 1.00

01:27:43.000 So, shit, maybe it's just that Midwestern style hitting me now, you know? 1.00

01:27:47.000 Wow. 1.00

01:27:47.000 But, no. 1.00

01:27:49.000 And then when I went and I got my panels done, like, everything was all screwed up, you know?

01:27:53.000 And this is post the Nunes fight.

01:27:55.000 Before the Nunes fight, what was the heaviest you got before then?

01:27:58.000 I never broke like 155, 152. Wow.

01:28:02.000 Yeah.

01:28:03.000 That's crazy.

01:28:04.000 Yeah.

01:28:05.000 I walked around like 140. I didn't even have to cut for Misha.

01:28:08.000 I woke up in the morning like just didn't eat breakfast.

01:28:12.000 Wow.

01:28:13.000 Yeah.

01:28:14.000 And then now I'm a big mamma jamma.

01:28:17.000 Like, I look at food and I get fat.

01:28:19.000 It's so annoying.

01:28:21.000 But I don't hate it.

01:28:22.000 So do they have you on Armour Thyroid or something like that?

01:28:24.000 It's Levothyroxine.

01:28:26.000 Yeah.

01:28:27.000 I take it every morning, like 15 minutes before I can eat anything.

01:28:31.000 You should look into Armour Thyroid.

01:28:33.000 It's a thyroid that's made from pig thyroid. 1.00

01:28:37.000 And apparently it's more bioavailable.

01:28:41.000 A lot of people have better results with it.

01:28:45.000 I wouldn't try it now just because I'm in camp, but maybe in between the next ones.

01:28:49.000 Yeah, I'm hypothyroid too.

01:28:50.000 Really?

01:28:51.000 Yeah, it runs in my family.

01:28:52.000 Yeah, in my family too.

01:28:53.000 I didn't have a weight problem because I was working out a lot, but I was getting headaches.

01:28:58.000 And I went to a doctor to get a check.

01:29:01.000 At the end of the day, say around 7 o'clock at night, After dinner, I would be so tired that I just, like, I couldn't talk.

01:29:11.000 I just had to lie down.

01:29:13.000 I couldn't hear it.

01:29:14.000 I couldn't, like, I don't know if I can talk.

01:29:16.000 Boom! 0.99

01:29:17.000 And I'd go out.

01:29:18.000 And it was like, God, these headaches are weird.

01:29:20.000 Like, this is, it didn't seem, it didn't seem normal.

01:29:24.000 Like, the late, I guess it was, like, after dinner headaches.

01:29:29.000 Like, right before bed, it was just...

01:29:31.000 It was not a normal exhaustion.

01:29:34.000 I started getting nervous about it.

01:29:35.000 And then when I got it checked out, it made sense.

01:29:37.000 My mom has it.

01:29:38.000 My sister has it.

01:29:40.000 It runs in our family.

01:29:41.000 Yeah.

01:29:42.000 I don't know if it's that genetic for my family, but...

01:29:45.000 You think it's from the head.

01:29:46.000 Yeah.

01:29:47.000 I mean, it was right away.

01:29:48.000 Yeah.

01:29:48.000 It was on set.

01:29:49.000 And then, you know, then you do these MRIs and you do all of this other stuff.

01:29:53.000 And it's like, all right, well, there's where your head hurts and there's what's wrong.

01:29:57.000 And, you know, so, I mean, it was just, it's all too perfect, you know.

01:30:01.000 Who puts together your camps?

01:30:03.000 Who decides what you're going to do as far as how much work you're going to do, what kind of training you're going to do, whether you're going to do sparring, whether you're going to do...

01:30:09.000 So this training camp, I'm outsourcing different things.

01:30:15.000 So I have...

01:30:17.000 I talked to Eric Del Fiero about it and like I said I wanted to outsource the Jiu Jitsu and the Muay Thai and those are gonna in itself take so much time right and then my strength and conditioning I'm doing with Chad Macias he's badass so my strength and conditioning coach Lauren Landau do you know who he is in Colorado so he's like Family to me.

01:30:39.000 He's been there for everything.

01:30:40.000 I don't even know when he got there, but he was always there.

01:30:44.000 He told me about Chad.

01:30:47.000 And so I started doing strength and conditioning with him.

01:30:49.000 I'm going to do that three days a week.

01:30:51.000 And then I know that I want to get working with the more traditional Muay Thai again.

01:30:57.000 So I'm working with John X two days a week.

01:31:01.000 And I think he's going to arrange my sparring as well.

01:31:04.000 And then Andre Galval, I'm going to try to work two or three days a week.

01:31:10.000 And then, so I handed all of that information to Lauren Landau.

01:31:15.000 And my other coach, my nutritionist, is Josh Ford.

01:31:19.000 Have you seen him before?

01:31:20.000 He's got like a tattoo goatee on his face.

01:31:22.000 No.

01:31:23.000 He's been doing my nutrition and he's known me since all I did was jujitsu.

01:31:28.000 You know, so he's been around.

01:31:30.000 He knows my style.

01:31:31.000 He knows...

01:31:32.000 Me as a crazy fighter and all of that.

01:31:33.000 Between Lauren Lando and Josh Ford, they're putting it together based off of what they've seen out of me in the past.

01:31:41.000 But if you're going to jiu-jitsu and you're doing a lot of jiu-jitsu training and then you're going to Muay Thai and doing Muay Thai training, when do you get together and do MMA training?

01:31:50.000 That'll be the sparring days and then there'll be a light sparse kind of drill day in the middle in there too.

01:31:56.000 So are you sparring Muay Thai and then sparring MMA? No, I'm going to be sparring MMA. So that'll be where I mix together.

01:32:03.000 And that's kind of how I like it too.

01:32:05.000 I like doing the disciplines separate and then me finding where to put them in.

01:32:11.000 And a lot of times that's where my freestyle wrestling just ties it all together.

01:32:14.000 So your Muay Thai training would basically just be technique, drills, pads?

01:32:19.000 Timing, ninja moves, all that.

01:32:22.000 Ninja moves?

01:32:23.000 Yeah.

01:32:23.000 And then jujitsu, are you going gi or no gi?

01:32:26.000 I did no gi, or I did gi for like the past four weeks, and fuck, man. 1.00

01:32:32.000 Shit hurts your feelings. 1.00

01:32:34.000 But then obviously it's more practical to do the no-gi. 1.00

01:32:39.000 And now they took the gi off of me.

01:32:41.000 And man, I'm like a thousand miles an hour.

01:32:42.000 I'm so happy with myself.

01:32:44.000 Slippery.

01:32:44.000 Yeah.

01:32:45.000 I'm like, you can't grab my shirt.

01:32:48.000 And what about wrestling?

01:32:49.000 Are you doing any wrestling training?

01:32:50.000 That part, I still got to figure out down in San Diego.

01:32:54.000 I want a freestyle wrestler.

01:32:56.000 I'm not...

01:32:57.000 I got a great shot.

01:32:59.000 I'm good at shots and whatever, but I'm way more about throws.

01:33:03.000 I like...

01:33:05.000 They're so much more efficient for me.

01:33:07.000 I got awesome hips for them. 1.00

01:33:08.000 And it's just like, man, they're high risk, high reward, but it's my funky style.

01:33:14.000 I just get them done.

01:33:15.000 And it's so much less effort.

01:33:17.000 When you toss someone over their head on the ground and they don't know where they are for a minute, there's so much to capitalize on there with the equilibrium just off.

01:33:24.000 And those are things I like, I count on.

01:33:26.000 So I need to find that freestyle situation.

01:33:29.000 I have good freestyle wrestling myself, but obviously it's good to stay on top of those.

01:33:35.000 It's my strength, but I need to keep my strength strong, so I'm looking.

01:33:40.000 I'm going to make that happen.

01:33:41.000 So what do you walk around at right now?

01:33:43.000 I'm like 155, 156, 7. So 45 is a possibility.

01:33:49.000 Yeah.

01:33:50.000 Yeah.

01:33:50.000 I mean, I've wanted to go there as well.

01:33:53.000 I mean, like I said, not having that fluid on our brains when we fight kind of bugs me.

01:33:58.000 Like, if I can walk down at 145 and eat breakfast, like, I mean, I won't.

01:34:03.000 Like, eating clean, eating right, everything perfect, I'm 155. Yeah, because I watched one of the...

01:34:08.000 They had a video of Cyborg cutting weight to make 140. Remember?

01:34:12.000 Which didn't make any sense.

01:34:14.000 There wasn't even a weight class for 140. Yeah.

01:34:16.000 I don't know what the fuck they were doing with her. 0.99

01:34:18.000 They were trying to prime her for 135 or seeing if she could make 135. Yeah. 0.99

01:34:24.000 But she was like weeping and it looked like she was dying. 1.00

01:34:27.000 I'm like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

01:34:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:29.000 Did she do the water cut in that one? 1.00

01:34:31.000 Like the bathtub? 1.00

01:34:33.000 Well, she did a lot of shit, but it was just hard to watch. 1.00

01:34:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:37.000 And she gets big, too. 1.00

01:34:38.000 She's huge.

01:34:39.000 I'm friends with Ray LB, who's her boyfriend, and he hit me up when I was supposed to fight Rhonda.

01:34:46.000 They were hitting me up during my training camp, like, hey, because I think obviously they have beef, and I think they wanted it to be kind of political, but I'm just nodding to that.

01:34:55.000 But they were like, hey, how about Chris?

01:34:57.000 Do you have any girl training partners?

01:34:59.000 How about Chris come train with you to get ready for Rhonda?

01:35:01.000 And I was like...

01:35:02.000 Oh, maybe.

01:35:03.000 I mean, how big is she? 0.99

01:35:04.000 And they're like, 182, 183. I'm like, what?

01:35:08.000 What?

01:35:09.000 How does that help me? 1.00

01:35:11.000 That's another big motherfucker on me. 0.99

01:35:13.000 180. Oh, God. 1.00

01:35:15.000 I'm like, I'm thanks, but I got Neil Magny right there.

01:35:19.000 Yeah.

01:35:20.000 Drew Dover, like these things.

01:35:21.000 Those guys are 182. Yeah, I'm not paying her hotel.

01:35:24.000 She's so fucking big. 0.99

01:35:26.000 That's so crazy. 0.99

01:35:27.000 I mean, she really should probably be fighting 165. Yeah.

01:35:30.000 And there's a 55, you know, coming, hopefully. 0.98

01:35:33.000 Yeah.

01:35:34.000 I mean, I just don't know.

01:35:35.000 I mean, there's only so many 45s.

01:35:37.000 Mm-hmm.

01:35:37.000 I mean, she's obviously got the belt at 45, but I think even 45 is a brutal struggle for her.

01:35:42.000 And, you know, as you said, you could only do that so many times.

01:35:47.000 It's taking a little bit of your life every time you do that.

01:35:50.000 You know, you're chipping away at your organs.

01:35:53.000 And I just remember, like, I remember coming into MMA and, like, I used to cut to 125. Like, dying.

01:36:00.000 Dying.

01:36:00.000 So I wanted to be ranked number one at 125. That was my goal before I moved up.

01:36:07.000 And I did.

01:36:08.000 I was ranked number one there.

01:36:10.000 Beat everybody I could beat.

01:36:11.000 And then it was just kind of like...

01:36:12.000 The last time I made 125, I fought a girl named Takeo Hashi from Japan. 0.99

01:36:18.000 And...

01:36:19.000 I remember it was like last minute because I was supposed to fight a girl. 0.97

01:36:23.000 Something happened to her and then they replaced her with Takeo.

01:36:26.000 And I just remember being so happy that we were at altitude because I was like, I think I had a heat stroke at the water cut, like the bathtub cut because I was in the water for like 20 minutes, and I remember at 10 minutes, I was like, something's wrong, something's wrong, something's wrong, and they're like, you have to stay.

01:36:45.000 You have to stay.

01:36:46.000 And so, at the 20-minute line, I dove like a salmon out of the water, and I passed out on my floor, and gave no shits that my manager's there, and I'm naked, and I don't know, I'm out, to the point where they're doing the knuckle rub on my sternum to try to get me up. 0.96

01:37:04.000 Knuckle rub on your sternum? 0.93

01:37:06.000 Yeah, you know, trying to wake you up.

01:37:07.000 That's how they wake you up?

01:37:08.000 By hurting your sternum?

01:37:09.000 Yeah, because it's like something with the nerves here will hit your adrenaline and wake you up.

01:37:13.000 Jesus Christ, that's so bad.

01:37:15.000 So I'm up and I'm like, your hands and arms are tingling and everything because you're waking up.

01:37:20.000 And I'm like, I don't want to get back in that bathtub.

01:37:24.000 Put the sauna suit on me.

01:37:25.000 Put it on me.

01:37:27.000 Health-wise, I was not okay, but I'm not getting back in there.

01:37:33.000 So, they put the sauna suit on me.

01:37:35.000 My hands are, like, freaking out, like, doing this weird, shaky, like, T-Rex arm thing.

01:37:41.000 And cramping so bad.

01:37:42.000 And my feet were doing the same thing.

01:37:44.000 But it was like, like, they had to cover me in the blankets and put all of the stuff on me to keep me hot.

01:37:49.000 Because I was not getting back in that hot tub.

01:37:51.000 Or the bathtub. 1.00

01:37:52.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:37:53.000 It was terrible. 1.00

01:37:54.000 And after that, like, I remember I felt it in the fight.

01:37:56.000 And I was like, I'm so glad we're at altitude.

01:37:58.000 Because I feel horrible.

01:38:00.000 Like, I can't do this again.

01:38:02.000 And then I went up to 35. Jesus Christ.

01:38:06.000 It is the worst part of fighting.

01:38:08.000 It really is.

01:38:09.000 And it's so unnecessary.

01:38:11.000 There's got to be...

01:38:11.000 I mean, what 1FC is doing, they've got some...

01:38:14.000 They're eliminating weight cuts by doing hydration tests and testing people several times during camp, finding out what you weigh, finding out what your actual weight is.

01:38:24.000 And Ben Askren went into the way they're doing it in detail when I did a podcast with him.

01:38:31.000 But that seems to be the way.

01:38:32.000 And they made everybody move up a weight class, essentially.

01:38:35.000 Yeah.

01:38:36.000 I mean, and that's the thing is, okay, like, contracts can still exist, but maybe you're just contracted as a fighter and you have to fight certain amounts of time a year or whatever, but to have people contracted to weight classes is, like, it's hurting the sport, and it's obviously hurting fighters individually as well, but, like...

01:38:53.000 It's just unnecessary.

01:38:54.000 Yeah.

01:38:55.000 What you should do is fight.

01:38:56.000 I mean, I think there should be more weight classes.

01:38:58.000 There should be more weight classes, so there's more opportunities.

01:39:01.000 And you should be fighting what you are when you're healthy.

01:39:04.000 It's hard enough to fight.

01:39:06.000 And I think especially because the sport is...

01:39:08.000 I mean, it's very blatantly clear that this is not a bracketed sport.

01:39:14.000 Like, this is an entertainment sport.

01:39:16.000 Now, it's clear.

01:39:16.000 Like, we're doing what puts butts in the seats.

01:39:19.000 Right.

01:39:19.000 We're doing what's best for the fans.

01:39:21.000 So at that point, what do these divisions really matter?

01:39:23.000 It's about the matchup.

01:39:25.000 You know, you can throw a belt on any fight these days.

01:39:28.000 So I think if we're going to evolve the sport to having entertaining fights or entertainment-type fights, we should just evolve the contracts to that as well. 0.99

01:39:38.000 Like, shit. 0.97

01:39:39.000 I mean, it'll still save the entertainment value. 1.00

01:39:42.000 Like, look, you can get...

01:39:44.000 Or catch weights even.

01:39:46.000 What do you guys want to agree on?

01:39:48.000 Who's down for what?

01:39:50.000 If you had an ideal weight, what would it be?

01:39:52.000 To fight at?

01:39:53.000 Yes.

01:39:57.000 Probably 45s.

01:39:58.000 45?

01:39:59.000 Yeah.

01:39:59.000 I feel like I'm skinny enough that I'm flying squirrel flexible still, but still hella strong.

01:40:09.000 But when you're dealing with someone like Cyborg, it's coming down from 180. That's the thing, though.

01:40:14.000 Is me healthy?

01:40:15.000 Like, it doesn't matter.

01:40:17.000 Like, I'm the water.

01:40:19.000 She's the rock.

01:40:20.000 You know?

01:40:21.000 And that's something I remember thinking when I was going into 25s.

01:40:24.000 It's like, I'm gonna be huge against all these girls.

01:40:27.000 You know? 0.99

01:40:28.000 Like, they may not be as dehydrated and fucked up as me, but I can hold them down. 0.99

01:40:32.000 Right. 0.99

01:40:33.000 You know?

01:40:33.000 And I can do what I want and eventually break them.

01:40:36.000 Right.

01:40:36.000 You know?

01:40:37.000 And she's got that in her back pocket, too.

01:40:41.000 Yeah.

01:40:41.000 But, like...

01:40:44.000 I thought watching the Tanya Avenger fight, there was a lot of things that I saw in that fight against Chris that I was like, damn, that right there, there's something I could do there.

01:40:56.000 That fight to me seemed like Chris was being...

01:41:00.000 Very cautious and conservative and that she was just picking her shots and just trying to be very professional.

01:41:06.000 Like, the way she was fighting was not like this marauding, rampaging destroyer like we've seen in some of her other fights. 0.88

01:41:13.000 She fought much more technical and just... 0.99

01:41:16.000 And Tonya Evinger was throwing wild fucking barstool type shit. 1.00

01:41:21.000 She was just... 1.00

01:41:22.000 Her hands were down.

01:41:23.000 She's winging big bombs. 1.00

01:41:24.000 She knew she had to go for broke. 0.99

01:41:26.000 And, you know, Tonya Evinger's tough as fuck just to take that fight. 1.00

01:41:29.000 I mean, the difference in size was so apparent between the two of them when you saw them inside the cage. 0.98

01:41:35.000 And, you know, Tanya's just a really tough woman. 0.78

01:41:38.000 Yeah.

01:41:38.000 But her style, she was just trying to be unpredictable and wild, you know?

01:41:43.000 Yeah.

01:41:43.000 And Cyborg was just moving in, like, just real professional and technical.

01:41:48.000 I felt like she was cautious.

01:41:49.000 I mean, it was a big fight for her, too, you know?

01:41:52.000 Yeah.

01:41:53.000 Yeah.

01:41:54.000 Was that the first belt defense?

01:41:57.000 Yeah.

01:41:58.000 What was that?

01:41:59.000 No, that was the first belt.

01:42:00.000 Because Holly and Jermaine fought for the belt. 1.00

01:42:03.000 And then that didn't happen again.

01:42:05.000 Yeah, Jermaine was like, see ya.

01:42:08.000 Jermaine was like, not interested.

01:42:11.000 Where did she go?

01:42:12.000 She's still fighting. 0.52

01:42:13.000 Well, remember right after the fight, I interviewed her after she won.

01:42:16.000 First of all, that fight bothered me.

01:42:19.000 It bothered me a lot.

01:42:20.000 She hit Holly after the bell twice. 1.00

01:42:23.000 One hard.

01:42:24.000 And really rocked her. 1.00

01:42:25.000 And I watched that and I was like, fuck man. 1.00

01:42:28.000 That is a big shot. 1.00

01:42:29.000 You could say you accidentally did it once maybe, but she did it twice and one time hurt her bad. 0.54

01:42:36.000 And Even so, when I watched the fight, I'm like, that's the times when she hurt Holly, was after the bell. 0.96

01:42:43.000 But Holly fucked her up twice in that fight. 1.00

01:42:46.000 She hit her with that question mark kick, cracked her and rocked her, and then she hit her with a straight left hand and dropped her too. 1.00

01:42:52.000 I felt like Holly deserved the nod in that fight, and I definitely think she deserved the nod if you take points away, which I definitely think she had points taken away from her. 1.00

01:43:01.000 I just think...

01:43:02.000 I just didn't, it didn't sit with me well.

01:43:04.000 And then after the fight, she said she needed, when I asked her about Cyborg, she's like, yeah, I'm getting surgery.

01:43:11.000 She's like, I got something wrong with my thumb or something.

01:43:14.000 So I was like, okay, she's going to get some surgery. 0.99

01:43:16.000 And then, then it became a PED issue.

01:43:19.000 She said that Cyborg is a lifetime PED cheater, that she's a performance enhancing drug user and that everybody knows it and she's not going to fight her.

01:43:26.000 So she basically just gave up her title and went back down to 35, I think.

01:43:31.000 So she is fighting again.

01:43:33.000 I don't know if she went and got surgery on whatever was going on with her hand, but she is going to fight again. 0.85

01:43:38.000 But she hasn't since, I don't believe.

01:43:42.000 I don't think so either.

01:43:43.000 See if you can find that.

01:43:44.000 Jermaine Durandamy, see who she's fighting next. 1.00

01:43:47.000 She hasn't tweeted since November about a fight then. 0.99

01:43:51.000 Damn, November. 0.99

01:43:52.000 Yeah, that didn't happen. 0.99

01:43:54.000 See, that's the person not investing in social media.

01:43:58.000 Are you doing it right or are you doing it wrong?

01:44:00.000 I don't know.

01:44:00.000 She's like, I'm just not interested in this anymore.

01:44:04.000 What's crazy, because this is how fucking tough Cyborg is. 0.95

01:44:07.000 Jermaine Durand to me fought a dude and KO'd him. 0.96

01:44:10.000 I mean, there's a Muay Thai fight with her fighting a dude. 0.98

01:44:13.000 I remember when I first started fighting and getting pointed at looking at that.

01:44:20.000 Like, here's why you want to learn Muay Thai.

01:44:22.000 And I was watching her.

01:44:22.000 I was like, that girl is...

01:44:24.000 She's a beast. 1.00

01:44:25.000 She's nasty. 1.00

01:44:25.000 Been through some wars and she's like older too. 1.00

01:44:27.000 No, I mean, I can't say older.

01:44:29.000 I'm like one of the older ones now, but she's older than me.

01:44:32.000 A little older than you.

01:44:32.000 Yeah.

01:44:33.000 But she fucked up a dude. 1.00

01:44:35.000 She KO'd a dude with a straight right hand. 1.00

01:44:37.000 Yeah.

01:44:37.000 I mean, it's, I mean, and then she fought a guy, like knew it was a guy, signed up to fight a guy, fought him, beat him.

01:44:43.000 And they're like, Cyborg?

01:44:45.000 Yeah, I'm not doing that.

01:44:48.000 I'm so scared she is a cyborg.

01:44:50.000 I get it. 1.00

01:44:51.000 I fucking get it. 0.99

01:44:52.000 Cyborg walking around 182 pounds. 1.00

01:44:55.000 I get it.

01:44:56.000 It just carries you around on your hip.

01:44:59.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a really open division.

01:45:03.000 145 right now.

01:45:04.000 And Megan Anderson is about to fight. 0.99

01:45:06.000 Is that at 45 or 35?

01:45:08.000 I believe that's at 45. Megan Anderson's a big girl. 0.98

01:45:11.000 She's big.

01:45:12.000 She's a big girl.

01:45:12.000 Yeah, that's a legit 45-er.

01:45:14.000 She's... 1.00

01:45:15.000 She's strong.

01:45:16.000 She's in her prime. 0.92

01:45:18.000 She's really tough.

01:45:20.000 She's good at everything.

01:45:21.000 She's a legit girl.

01:45:22.000 And fighting Holly in her first fight in the UFC also shows how much they think of her.

01:45:28.000 But I mean, how many fighters do they have at 45? 0.99

01:45:31.000 It's like fucking three. 0.99

01:45:32.000 I mean, who the fuck is there? 1.00

01:45:34.000 You got Holly, who fought Cyborg and lost. 0.99

01:45:37.000 And then, you know, what else you got?

01:45:40.000 You got Megan Anderson, who was over in Invicta.

01:45:42.000 And most people, other than the hardcore fans, don't know about her.

01:45:46.000 You know, and she was trying to get her name out there. 1.00

01:45:49.000 So what do we got here?

01:45:50.000 Is that the whole division?

01:45:52.000 Yeah, it's the four.

01:45:53.000 That's the whole division?

01:45:55.000 Jesus Christ.

01:45:57.000 Oh, Yana is on there, too.

01:45:58.000 Well, Yana fought Cyborg.

01:46:00.000 She's little, isn't she?

01:46:01.000 She got nuked.

01:46:03.000 Yeah, that was...

01:46:04.000 I mean, she did her best, right?

01:46:06.000 When did she fight Cyborg?

01:46:08.000 Same night I fought.

01:46:10.000 UFC 222. She looked good until Cyborg got a hold of her. 1.00

01:46:15.000 It's just like one of those things where when Cyborg starts landing on girls, you see the look in their face. 1.00

01:46:19.000 They're like, what in the fuck? 0.99

01:46:21.000 What am I doing in here? 0.99

01:46:24.000 I mean, I was most impressed with Cyborg on her kickboxing loss when she fought Jorina Barge. 0.98

01:46:30.000 Did you ever see that fight?

01:46:32.000 She fought her in Muay Thai. 1.00

01:46:33.000 Jorina Barge is a fucking beast, man. 1.00

01:46:36.000 She was kneeing her from across the room in the face. 1.00

01:46:39.000 Yeah, Barge knocked her down with a front kick to the face, and she dropped her, and Cyborg was still chasing after her for every fucking round. 1.00

01:46:49.000 I was like, that girl's... 0.97

01:46:50.000 I mean, she's big, and she's strong, but mentally, she's tough, too.

01:46:56.000 Like...

01:46:57.000 I mean, just to fight that girl. 1.00

01:46:59.000 Jarena Barge had, I think, almost three years without a fight where she couldn't get a fight because nobody wanted to fight her. 1.00

01:47:06.000 Because she's just a fucking badass Muay Thai fighter. 1.00

01:47:10.000 Real long and tall and just classic Dutch style Muay Thai. 0.99

01:47:16.000 Cyborg stepped up, fought her in Lion Fight when she was the most feared MMA fighter in the world and said, fuck it, I'll take a Muay Thai fight. 0.99

01:47:25.000 With zero Muay Thai professional fights. 0.97

01:47:28.000 Fought one of the best girls ever.

01:47:30.000 It's really pretty admirable how badass she is in that regard. 0.61

01:47:35.000 That was cool.

01:47:36.000 But, you know, when you have a division that's that small, it's like, what do they do?

01:47:42.000 You know, I mean, what are you going to grow girls? 0.95

01:47:44.000 Make them get bigger?

01:47:45.000 Like, hey girls, want some food? 1.00

01:47:50.000 Here you go. 0.99

01:47:51.000 You know, I mean, this isn't the pride days where they could just fill them up with, you know, whatever the fuck Gabby Garcia is on. 1.00

01:47:58.000 You know, and toss them out there. 0.89

01:48:01.000 They have to be legit, you know?

01:48:02.000 Yeah.

01:48:04.000 I don't know.

01:48:05.000 I don't know.

01:48:06.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a weird situation because, I mean, I don't follow enough to know what is out there.

01:48:15.000 Do you follow Invicta or do you pay attention to any other organizations outside the UFC? No.

01:48:22.000 No, and honestly, I don't watch the UFC that much either because I don't have cable.

01:48:27.000 You don't?

01:48:28.000 No, I have Netflix and a DVD player.

01:48:31.000 Wow, old school.

01:48:32.000 Yeah, we go crazy on 80s and 90s movies.

01:48:35.000 Wow.

01:48:35.000 Yeah.

01:48:36.000 Well, look, with Netflix, you kind of don't, I mean, you could watch good shit all day long. 0.88

01:48:42.000 You don't really, I mean, so many people have severed their cable now. 0.96

01:48:44.000 They just don't want to do it anymore. 1.00

01:48:46.000 Fuck a commercial. 1.00

01:48:48.000 Right? 1.00

01:48:48.000 I mean, and how much is cable? 1.00

01:48:50.000 It's like $100 a month or something like that?

01:48:53.000 What's Netflix?

01:48:54.000 $10?

01:48:54.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:48:56.000 Like, get the fuck out of here. 0.98

01:48:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:48:58.000 And it's not like you run out of shit to watch. 1.00

01:49:01.000 Like, you could watch Netflix all day for the rest of your life and never run out of shit to watch, you know? 0.99

01:49:07.000 It's a weird time for those cable companies. 0.97

01:49:10.000 It's like, the only thing that really keeps people buying cable, I think, or DirecTV, one of the big things, is live sports.

01:49:18.000 Yeah.

01:49:19.000 Like, live sports is, like, one of those things where you kind of have to have direct TV or cable or something to watch live sports.

01:49:25.000 Well, and it's generational, too.

01:49:26.000 I mean, there's a lot of people that just always had it, you know.

01:49:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:31.000 My generation. 0.99

01:49:33.000 These young kids, they don't give a fuck about it. 0.99

01:49:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:49:36.000 Young kids don't watch CBS. They're like, what?

01:49:40.000 The fuck is that? 0.99

01:49:41.000 And the weird thing is if you watch regular TV now, it seems like you're watching a time machine. 1.00

01:49:47.000 Like you're watching some shit from a bygone era. 0.94

01:49:51.000 Like laugh tracks and then cut to commercials. 0.99

01:49:54.000 You're like, what is this?

01:49:55.000 Cliffhangers to be continued.

01:49:57.000 What is this?

01:49:58.000 It's just weird.

01:50:00.000 So what do you do when you're not training other than watch DVDs?

01:50:06.000 Not really much.

01:50:07.000 I'm trying to get out in San Diego and live and play by the...

01:50:13.000 I'll get to the beach when I can, try to soak up the sun and whatever.

01:50:17.000 Really, I have a struggle because I realized I came here to work.

01:50:22.000 I came here, I changed my life to come out here and be all in and be as successful as this as possible.

01:50:28.000 My day is about training, about doing the, like, rehabilitation-type things that I need to do and then making sure my kids' needs are met.

01:50:37.000 And, you know, washrooms repeat with that.

01:50:39.000 Like, I recently went to, like, I've been to a couple escape rooms.

01:50:44.000 I did that recently?

01:50:46.000 That's fun!

01:50:47.000 Yeah, they're super fun unless you're not getting out.

01:50:50.000 You sit there and they're like, here, let's take your picture at the end.

01:50:53.000 I'm all pissed.

01:50:54.000 Right.

01:50:55.000 I'm still here.

01:50:56.000 Yeah, I didn't get out.

01:50:57.000 We didn't get out either.

01:50:58.000 We got out of one room, but it led us into the second room, and we're like...

01:51:02.000 It's hard.

01:51:03.000 I feel like it was hard for me being an athlete, because I'm like, there's harder we can do.

01:51:08.000 I can work harder at this, but there's no working harder at it.

01:51:11.000 Right.

01:51:11.000 It's a smarter thing.

01:51:13.000 It's also weird shit to piece together. 0.98

01:51:21.000 There's a horse rescue that I go down and I'll put time in down there and be with the animals and feed them. 0.98

01:51:29.000 You can try to rehabilitate them.

01:51:32.000 Some of them are scary, man.

01:51:33.000 But it's cool because they're actually something really to be scared of. 0.99

01:51:36.000 Half the shit we're afraid of is just in our head anyway. 0.99

01:51:39.000 But there's this gigantic animal that doesn't know if it wants to kick you or love you. 0.99

01:51:44.000 And it's like, you know, trying to befriend it so you can help it and teach it, stuff like that.

01:51:50.000 That's taking some of my time.

01:51:51.000 It's been cool.

01:51:52.000 That is weird with horses, right?

01:51:53.000 Like, you could break them.

01:51:55.000 You can lasso them and then let you ride them. 1.00

01:51:57.000 Like, what in the fuck? 0.99

01:51:58.000 Like, wild horses. 1.00

01:52:00.000 People go out and catch wild horses and ride them around. 0.99

01:52:03.000 Like, what other fucking animal can you do that to? 1.00

01:52:06.000 Damn. 1.00

01:52:06.000 That's so strange. 1.00

01:52:08.000 You know? 1.00

01:52:09.000 Like, that is really strange that you could, like, get a horse, you got him in the barn, the horse was like, fuck you, fuck you, and you're like, no, fuck you! 1.00

01:52:17.000 You get a rope around him, and they're like, alright, alright, you got me. 1.00

01:52:20.000 You can ride me around now.

01:52:23.000 It's very strange. 0.99

01:52:25.000 I mean, what a weird relationship people have with fucking horses, you know? 0.99

01:52:30.000 That's very strange. 1.00

01:52:31.000 Oh, man...

01:52:34.000 My friend Whitney Cummings has a horse.

01:52:35.000 She's all in. 1.00

01:52:36.000 She's all in with this fucking horse. 1.00

01:52:38.000 She rides it bareback. 1.00

01:52:39.000 She's like, you have to have a connection with the animal.

01:52:41.000 It has to feel you.

01:52:42.000 Like, not a saddle.

01:52:43.000 Like, all right, crazy.

01:52:45.000 I've seen Clint Eastwood movies.

01:52:47.000 It seems like he's riding the horse pretty good with a saddle on.

01:52:50.000 But she doesn't do that. 1.00

01:52:51.000 And she rescued this horse. 0.99

01:52:53.000 And she's like, on her Instagram, she's always like riding around with this fucking horse and hanging out with it. 0.99

01:52:57.000 You know, and she's like spending all this time with it. 0.99

01:52:59.000 It's like...

01:53:00.000 It is, like, they call it equine therapy.

01:53:03.000 And, like, I was trying to get...

01:53:05.000 Just because my brain was working in all these ways, like, I got really excited about that treatment center, the mindset place.

01:53:12.000 And then, again, there's all those other people in there that are in there and the veterans and stuff.

01:53:16.000 I was like, man, if...

01:53:17.000 I could get some of them down there working with these horses.

01:53:20.000 One, it gives them something to do.

01:53:21.000 Because the ones that are disabled, they're hating life. 1.00

01:53:24.000 And that place, it's awesome because after a few months of being there, they all want to know how to help.

01:53:30.000 They're like, tell me what I can do around here, you know? 0.97

01:53:35.000 And even with that, I'm like, man, if I could even get them down there, like, sometimes if all you do at this place is shovel shit, you know, it's still like you're around these horses, and this place in particular, they're all rescues, and it's called Ferdinand's Familia, and they've all been mistreated at some point, or they were trained to be something that they never graduated to being, and so they were trash. 0.92

01:53:57.000 And now they need to turn these horses into rideable horses or whatever. 0.89

01:54:03.000 That's the goal.

01:54:04.000 And then they have this...

01:54:05.000 It's near Imperial Beach.

01:54:07.000 It's on that land, right on Tijuana.

01:54:10.000 So you get...

01:54:11.000 The goal is to take them on this trail that goes all the way to the beach and you can ride up and down the beach freely.

01:54:18.000 Can you ride the beach to Tijuana or is there a wall?

01:54:21.000 Oh yeah, you can ride both.

01:54:23.000 And it's like a see-through wall, and you see them.

01:54:26.000 A see-through?

01:54:26.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just like panels.

01:54:29.000 Oh, wow.

01:54:29.000 And you can see right through it.

01:54:30.000 Like, I went down there.

01:54:32.000 But you could swim around it.

01:54:34.000 I was thinking that the other day.

01:54:36.000 I'm like, you guys are almost too tempting.

01:54:39.000 I almost want to go over there.

01:54:41.000 Oh, this is it right here?

01:54:41.000 Yeah, it's there.

01:54:42.000 That's exactly where we ride. 0.88

01:54:44.000 That is so fucking strange to me. 0.98

01:54:46.000 That is so goddamn strange. 0.98

01:54:48.000 So which side is Tijuana? 0.94

01:54:49.000 This side?

01:54:50.000 This is Tijuana.

01:54:50.000 The other side is the United States.

01:54:52.000 Obviously, right.

01:54:52.000 And yeah, that's exactly what it looks like.

01:54:54.000 They have their little umbrellas.

01:54:55.000 They're having their little barbecues, like chilling, playing music, having fun.

01:54:59.000 Meanwhile, we're all over there like...

01:55:01.000 Huh.

01:55:01.000 Like, I almost want to try to swim over just to see if anyone's going to stop you.

01:55:06.000 Because, like, there is a little bit of, like, if you keep going up that fence, they have, like, one car with one dude.

01:55:14.000 Who's watching?

01:55:15.000 Who's watching, like, Border Patrol.

01:55:16.000 Yeah.

01:55:17.000 It seems so easy to get here from Mexico.

01:55:19.000 Right.

01:55:20.000 All you have to do is be able to swim.

01:55:21.000 Well, and how deep can that fence go?

01:55:24.000 Yeah, how deep can it go? 1.00

01:55:26.000 Just dig under that fucker. 1.00

01:55:28.000 Just put up your umbrella in a special angle and you're good. 1.00

01:55:32.000 Or just climb.

01:55:34.000 That doesn't seem like it's impossible to climb. 0.88

01:55:37.000 I mean, I'm not the best climber in the world, but I fucking guarantee you I can make it over that fence. 0.63

01:55:42.000 100%. 1.00

01:55:42.000 Look, you just grab ahold of some gloves on so you don't fuck your hands on. 1.00

01:55:46.000 Yeah, you're going to have to do some soft sand training because that sprint afterwards is going to burn your legs out. 0.99

01:55:52.000 Yeah, the sprint's rough. 1.00

01:55:54.000 But unless they're on dune buggies, they're not going to catch you, those fat fucks. 0.99

01:55:57.000 I just, I feel like swimming is the move. 1.00

01:56:00.000 Like, why climb it?

01:56:01.000 You just swim a couple hundred yards over.

01:56:03.000 Yeah, right?

01:56:03.000 It's like 200 yards maybe.

01:56:05.000 That ain't shit. 0.99

01:56:05.000 Go left and then come back. 0.99

01:56:07.000 It's so weird.

01:56:09.000 Like, build that wall, build that wall. 0.97

01:56:11.000 People are so crazy.

01:56:12.000 The whole thing is so strange.

01:56:14.000 I think one day we're going to look back on countries.

01:56:16.000 Like, the human race.

01:56:18.000 One, I think...

01:56:19.000 One of the things that's happening to the human race, for sure, is that we're getting closer to each other.

01:56:23.000 We're getting, we can, like, I'll read, like, tweets that someone will post in Spanish or in Chinese or whatever, and you just press translate, and then you get to read it, you know, translate to English.

01:56:34.000 And I'm like, wow.

01:56:35.000 There it is.

01:56:36.000 I could read this guy's words.

01:56:37.000 And they have this thing called the Google Pixel.

01:56:40.000 You know, it's a phone.

01:56:42.000 And they have these Pixel Buds, these earbuds.

01:56:46.000 And these earbuds will translate in real time. 0.98

01:56:49.000 Like, you could say some shit to me in Spanish, and it'll translate it in real time to English. 0.99

01:56:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:56:53.000 And how long is it going to be before that's way better? 0.99

01:56:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:56:56.000 And we're going to realize that countries are stupid. 1.00

01:56:59.000 See, but I think, I mean, I agree on that on the social media side. 1.00

01:57:02.000 Like, I feel like social media has made that connection for us on that, like, that, I guess, mental, social side or whatever.

01:57:09.000 But us as humans individually, like, here and now, right next to each other, like, I feel a huge disconnect.

01:57:14.000 Like, look at, I mean, a century ago...

01:57:18.000 More than less than, like, you knew who the town butcher was.

01:57:21.000 You knew who the blacksmith was.

01:57:23.000 You knew who the mayor was.

01:57:25.000 Like, you knew, like, and everybody had their position.

01:57:27.000 Your kids were safe to run around.

01:57:29.000 Like, everything, like, everyone knew and there was value to every single person for what it is that their craft was or who they are.

01:57:37.000 And now no one knows anyone.

01:57:38.000 And, like, people don't want to, like, like...

01:57:41.000 I almost feel weird sometimes that my kid doesn't see all of the same pictures that I see because I have Facebook and he doesn't.

01:57:51.000 But I'm not ready to have my kid exposed to that labyrinth right there.

01:57:56.000 Yeah, it's a terrible thing for kids to be exposed to.

01:57:58.000 Yeah, and I think that, you know, so, like, shoulder-to-shoulder, person-to-person, I feel like a bit of a disconnect, you know?

01:58:06.000 But social media, like, we get to share information, sometimes not good information, sometimes good information.

01:58:12.000 Like, the fact that people are communicating, I think, is important.

01:58:16.000 It's making people take stands on things that they're all finding out, oh, you believe that too, or I think that too, like, cool, like, I can find my people.

01:58:23.000 But on the actual oxytocin social side, people actually getting to know each other, those intimate relationships, I feel like that part is suffering a little bit from it.

01:58:35.000 Yeah, I think that's suffering a little bit in real life because people are in cars, they're in traffic, they're isolated, then they go to work and they're in a cubicle all day and they get home and they're in their apartment or their house.

01:58:46.000 Yeah, there's not a lot of interaction with people.

01:58:49.000 And I just think this is just a side effect of modern life.

01:58:54.000 It's weird that there's so many, like in LA, there's so many people next to each other and almost nobody knows their neighbor.

01:59:00.000 It's very strange. 1.00

01:59:02.000 What I'm talking about is I think countries are stupid. 1.00

01:59:05.000 Like states. 1.00

01:59:06.000 I think countries are like states.

01:59:07.000 Like, I think we should build a wall over Florida before we should build a wall over Mexico. 0.59

01:59:13.000 I mean, Florida's a state, right?

01:59:15.000 But Florida is just as alien as, like, say, Finland or something like that. 0.99

01:59:21.000 I mean, it's just the fact that you can move out of Florida and, like, fuck Florida, man, I'm going to move to Atlanta. 0.99

01:59:26.000 And then you go up there and, like, nobody stops you. 0.99

01:59:29.000 You just go.

01:59:30.000 But if you're in Tijuana, like, you're like, nah, dog. 1.00

01:59:33.000 There's a fence up here, bitch. 1.00

01:59:35.000 There's no crossing. 1.00

01:59:37.000 To me, that seems super fucking strange. 0.99

01:59:40.000 And almost guaranteeing that those spots are fucked forever. 0.98

01:59:43.000 The only way anything's ever going to level out is if you let anybody travel wherever they want. 0.97

01:59:49.000 And nobody's willing to do that because it might fuck up the good spots.

01:59:52.000 Like La Jolla would be like, no, no, no, you can't just...

01:59:55.000 We're not equal.

01:59:56.000 Yeah, we're not equal.

01:59:57.000 You can't just come over from...

01:59:58.000 I mean, you think about it.

01:59:59.000 La Jolla has some of the wealthiest real estate in the world, right?

02:00:03.000 And unbelievable, beautiful views.

02:00:06.000 And you could walk to Mexico from La Jolla.

02:00:09.000 You could walk!

02:00:10.000 I mean, what's the distance between Tijuana and La Jolla?

02:00:14.000 Let's guess.

02:00:15.000 Let me guess.

02:00:15.000 I'm going to say it's 50 miles.

02:00:17.000 Is it 50?

02:00:18.000 I'm going to say...

02:00:19.000 Might not even be 50. No, it's not that many because it's...

02:00:21.000 30?

02:00:22.000 Depending on...

02:00:23.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:23.000 I would say it's a 30-minute drive, like moderate, normal speed limit, no traffic, 35 maybe.

02:00:32.000 So maybe it's 30 miles.

02:00:33.000 So it's like a marathon, like a marathon run, which people do.

02:00:37.000 They run marathons all the time.

02:00:39.000 20?

02:00:40.000 32. 32 miles.

02:00:42.000 So you're in fucking Tijuana. 1.00

02:00:44.000 You're in a third-world country in one of the worst neighborhoods of a third-world country. 0.99

02:00:49.000 And 32 miles away, you have like these unbelievable mansions on these bluffs overlooking the ocean. 1.00

02:00:56.000 Like, look at that shit. 1.00

02:00:58.000 That's crazy! 1.00

02:00:59.000 That's crazy.

02:01:01.000 Even Coronado.

02:01:02.000 It's very weird.

02:01:03.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:01:04.000 It's very weird.

02:01:06.000 Yeah.

02:01:08.000 And yeah, that Coronado, the island, that's all super wealthy people, right?

02:01:13.000 Yeah.

02:01:14.000 That's where Dick Cheney lives, apparently.

02:01:16.000 Yeah.

02:01:17.000 They have the ability of shutting that whole island down if there's vandalism, because it's got its entry and it's out.

02:01:26.000 What is it called?

02:01:28.000 So it's not exactly an island.

02:01:30.000 It does attach to the land.

02:01:31.000 What is that called?

02:01:32.000 The peninsula?

02:01:33.000 Yeah.

02:01:35.000 But they have an ability at both the peninsula edge and the bridge to shut it down as a community if shit's going down on the island and they don't want someone to get off. 0.96

02:01:46.000 Wow. 0.99

02:01:48.000 That's how rich they are.

02:01:50.000 Yeah.

02:01:50.000 It's only one of the wealthiest places in the world.

02:01:52.000 And another one, there's one offside off of Miami.

02:01:55.000 There's like some little tiny island that's filled only with rich people.

02:01:59.000 Star Island, I think.

02:02:00.000 Is that what it's called?

02:02:01.000 Yeah.

02:02:02.000 It's like one of the most wealthy places on the planet. 0.91

02:02:04.000 It's one little spot off of Miami, just filled with rich folks waiting for a hurricane to fuck up their life. 1.00

02:02:11.000 Damn. 1.00

02:02:11.000 Is that it? 1.00

02:02:12.000 Star Island is a tiny neighborhood of massive houses and drama.

02:02:16.000 Oh, there's drama.

02:02:17.000 Oh, see the big X on it? 1.00

02:02:18.000 Like, fuck this place. 1.00

02:02:20.000 Okay. 1.00

02:02:20.000 Kind of drama. 1.00

02:02:21.000 Damn, badass houses, though. 0.99

02:02:23.000 But they have good brunch, too. 0.99

02:02:24.000 Yeah, that's their little...

02:02:25.000 So they have a little bridge, and it's a little tiny island.

02:02:28.000 All right.

02:02:29.000 Good luck.

02:02:30.000 People are weird.

02:02:31.000 Wow.

02:02:32.000 People are weird, Kat.

02:02:33.000 That's not safe.

02:02:34.000 No.

02:02:34.000 Doesn't feel safe.

02:02:35.000 Not in Miami.

02:02:36.000 A pirate. 0.86

02:02:37.000 Come wipe that whole thing out. 0.99

02:02:38.000 Crocodiles. 0.69

02:02:38.000 Yeah. 0.69

02:02:38.000 That place is filled with pirates. 0.69

02:02:41.000 That place is filled with weird shit. 1.00

02:02:44.000 I love it. 1.00

02:02:45.000 I'm joking around that I hate it, but I love Miami.

02:02:48.000 It's so strange.

02:02:50.000 Every time I go down there, I'm like, you should have to have a passport to come here.

02:02:54.000 This is not America. 0.99

02:02:55.000 I don't give a fuck what anybody says. 0.99

02:02:56.000 It's great, but it's chaos. 1.00

02:02:59.000 But then there's some Florida spots where you're like, okay, Pensacola, you can just go fuck yourself. 1.00

02:03:05.000 What'd you say? 1.00

02:03:06.000 It's basically Alabama.

02:03:07.000 It might as well be.

02:03:08.000 It might as well be.

02:03:09.000 Other than Roy Jones Jr. I mean, he came out of there.

02:03:12.000 He put Pensacola on the map.

02:03:14.000 Do you do any boxing training?

02:03:16.000 I do.

02:03:17.000 So, Alliance has been, like, real helpful on my hands.

02:03:22.000 Like, I would say there's a ton of improvement as far as that goes.

02:03:26.000 And I never really focused on boxing before.

02:03:28.000 Like, I worked Muay Thai and kickboxing between Dutch and Thai style, you know.

02:03:34.000 And then to go there and have my hands sharpened was...

02:03:37.000 It was pretty cool.

02:03:41.000 It was hard for me to relate boxing to any sport I'd ever done.

02:03:49.000 As an athlete growing up, as a kid, if I can't understand something that I'm learning, I try to relate it back to some muscle memory of some motion I've done before in some other sport.

02:04:00.000 Volleyball or swimming or like what's the mechanics of how I've moved in something that I can even dance like turn into getting like some kind of value out of so I can learn this thing and like boxing was not like anything that I'd ever done before.

02:04:13.000 Like I've never had a predominantly hands-on sport that I was good at so it's been the the most What's the word?

02:04:25.000 I don't know.

02:04:25.000 The most work and the least natural of all of the disciplines.

02:04:31.000 That's interesting because you've trained Muay Thai so much and Muay Thai has hands in it.

02:04:36.000 Right, but the thing I'm excited about the most in Muay Thai is the clinching and the kicks.

02:04:42.000 Because of your wrestling.

02:04:44.000 Right.

02:04:45.000 And just having the hips and everything with that that came with wrestling, that came with the footwork of soccer, of dance, of all that stuff.

02:04:53.000 That contributed, I think, easily and translated easily over to that.

02:04:58.000 But boxing was...

02:05:00.000 Um, not so much, you know, but part of me also thinks like, you know, some of that had to come with, with learning, like you, you got to get hit to realize you don't want to get hit.

02:05:09.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:10.000 And I'm like, I don't, I'm not ready.

02:05:12.000 I don't want to talk about that.

02:05:13.000 Like, I don't want to get hit.

02:05:14.000 Well, it's the best way to learn how to move your head.

02:05:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:05:17.000 And slip and roll with shit. 1.00

02:05:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:05:20.000 It hurts my feelings to get punched in the face. 0.80

02:05:22.000 I'm sure. 0.67

02:05:23.000 Yeah.

02:05:23.000 And I'm happy I'm the kind of person that it pisses off.

02:05:27.000 So it makes me fight harder.

02:05:30.000 But it's stunning.

02:05:33.000 It's stunning, especially when you get one of those good ones in the nose and now your eyes are watering but you're not crying.

02:05:39.000 That weird stinging sensation.

02:05:44.000 Learning all of that, that all was definitely within the last few years.

02:05:48.000 It's been fun.

02:05:50.000 It's been not fun, but fun when you see the evolution.

02:05:54.000 A lot of fighters are getting into yoga.

02:05:57.000 A lot of fighters are doing yoga.

02:05:59.000 A lot of fighters are finding that they have...

02:06:01.000 Like, real benefits and protecting their back and strengthening a lot of their joints and their ligaments and stuff like that.

02:06:09.000 Yeah, do you feel like it's supplemental towards, like, the physiology of it or because it's something as far as adding to the combative side?

02:06:16.000 I think both.

02:06:17.000 I think for sure it's good for your mental endurance because it's hard.

02:06:23.000 I mean, it seems like something that should be very easy. 1.00

02:06:25.000 You hear about yoga, you're like, oh, housewives do that shit. 1.00

02:06:28.000 But if you do it 100% in especially hot yoga, you're stuck in that fucking box at 104 degrees for 90 minutes sweating your ass off. 1.00

02:06:36.000 And I'm pissed at about 60 minutes in that one. 0.98

02:06:39.000 So there's definitely some mental toughness that goes into the 90 minutes.

02:06:42.000 You endure a 90 minute hot yoga class.

02:06:46.000 But I think for your joints, For your range of motion and flexibility there's almost nothing better because you're so hot and sweaty everything's loosened up and you can get into like deep deep stretches and deep poses and also like for your foot strength and posture and balance all that stuff is amazing amazing for your back strengthening your back your knees It's really good for jiu-jitsu fighters.

02:07:10.000 I mean jiu-jitsu people love it so one of the best things for jiu-jitsu because Jiu-Jitsu is so static, you know, so much of it is like holding on and like trying to advance position slowly and there's these bursts of, you know, explosive movements, but so much of it is just clenching and...

02:07:28.000 That isometric stuff, yeah.

02:07:29.000 Yeah, so much of it is that.

02:07:30.000 And I think you really benefit from being able to, you know, in these yoga poses, holding these poses for 30 seconds when your body's burning and you're, you know, you're having a difficult time just standing up.

02:07:44.000 I think adding the heat component to it too, especially if you're a weight cutting fighter, like getting to know your body and teaching it how to sweat, right?

02:07:52.000 Like this last training camp was pretty awesome with that because I got a sauna for my...

02:07:57.000 One, I got a sauna a while ago.

02:08:00.000 I was using a red light for healing and I was using the sauna because I know that you can naturally boost your growth hormone if you're in that every night and help yourself before you go to sleep.

02:08:11.000 So I was in that every night I tried to go in for like 45 minutes and that was so helpful in going into the fight week weight cut because it was like I know what it feels like when it's time to get the fuck out and I know what it feels like when it's time that I'm like that sound like when I'm dripping like crazy I still got another good 20 minutes of me sitting here like this.

02:08:34.000 You know, and I think it's really hard on fighters when they're not in a sauna or that hot for their entire camp and then they just expect that out of their body the day before a fight.

02:08:45.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

02:08:46.000 There's a lot of really good benefits, as you said, too, for recovery, reducing inflammation, you know?

02:08:52.000 Yeah, I thought it was helpful.

02:08:54.000 I got a portable sauna to bring to my fights with me.

02:08:57.000 Oh, that's nice.

02:08:58.000 Is it one you climb into?

02:08:59.000 Uh-huh.

02:08:59.000 And like just your little head sticks out.

02:09:01.000 It's uncomfortable as hell because you can't lean against anything or it'll burn your ass. 1.00

02:09:05.000 You're just in a cocoon. 0.99

02:09:06.000 Yeah, and the chair is like this little half chair.

02:09:08.000 And by that point, your organs are so depleted and you're like leaning all weird anyway.

02:09:13.000 So it's just hell.

02:09:14.000 But I mean, it gets it off and you don't have to leave your hotel room.

02:09:17.000 Oh, that's nice too, especially if you're doing something on the road.

02:09:20.000 Like, who was it that somebody was fighting somewhere and they didn't have hot water and they couldn't make weight because they didn't have the bathtub?

02:09:32.000 I think it was...

02:09:36.000 I'm trying to think of who it was.

02:09:37.000 That must have been stressful. 0.97

02:09:39.000 Yeah, they were I think they were fighting in Brazil and there was no hot water for some reason like the hot water was down and they were like what in the fuck and they couldn't they went up not making weight. 0.90

02:09:50.000 I don't remember who it was. 0.70

02:09:51.000 I wasn't there for that event.

02:09:53.000 But I remember thinking like that is one of the real problems with doing some of these gigs on the road. 0.96

02:09:58.000 You know, you're traveling to these places and there's no fucking hot water. 0.88

02:10:02.000 If there's no sauna and no hot water, how are you supposed to make weight? 0.96

02:10:05.000 Well, and it's awkward to be in a sauna with your opponent too.

02:10:08.000 I fought Karina Dam.

02:10:12.000 Again, it was 125 like a few years ago.

02:10:16.000 There it is.

02:10:17.000 Eric Anders.

02:10:19.000 Leota Machida was very respectful. 1.00

02:10:22.000 Damn. 0.99

02:10:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:10:23.000 Yeah, Leota's Brazilian. 1.00

02:10:24.000 He knows.

02:10:26.000 He's like, eh?

02:10:28.000 But we were in North Dakota and we had to go into the same sauna and it became a competition in there.

02:10:33.000 I'm like, oh, I'm not getting out.

02:10:35.000 And when she, like, there was a point, like, I'm sitting there with my coach and I'm just, like, biting down.

02:10:42.000 I don't even know how long we were in, but it was, like, hard.

02:10:45.000 It was rough.

02:10:46.000 And it's kind of, yeah, exactly.

02:10:48.000 Like, who's going to break first?

02:10:49.000 Who's going to go first? 1.00

02:10:50.000 And she ended up being like, fuck it. 1.00

02:10:52.000 And she goes and she gets out. 1.00

02:10:53.000 And I was like, oh, you have quit in you?

02:10:55.000 And I already knew I won the fight.

02:10:57.000 I already knew I won the fight.

02:10:59.000 I was like, I saw everything I needed to see.

02:11:01.000 We're good.

02:11:02.000 Wow, that's crazy.

02:11:04.000 That's so true.

02:11:05.000 I mean, look, there's something to that.

02:11:07.000 I mean, you definitely don't want to die in there, but there's moments when you're in the sauna. 0.96

02:11:13.000 You know, I have one here, and there's this thing that happens at like 30 minutes where you're like, what in the fuck am I doing? 0.98

02:11:19.000 Well, you start fucking weirding out. 0.94

02:11:21.000 You're like, I gotta get out of here. 0.99

02:11:22.000 I gotta get out of here.

02:11:23.000 It's like claustrophobia.

02:11:25.000 Yeah, like you know that if you just open that door, it's cold air, and you're gonna feel great.

02:11:30.000 Just want someone to come in.

02:11:31.000 Just want someone to ask you a question.

02:11:33.000 Just open that door for a second.

02:11:35.000 Just open that door. 0.63

02:11:35.000 Let me run out that door. 0.63

02:11:37.000 You know, it's right there.

02:11:38.000 But that is what creates those heat shock proteins, is that your body realizes that it's in this terrible situation where you're way overheated.

02:11:46.000 So your body starts creating these anti-inflammatory proteins, and that's what's so good for your body.

02:11:51.000 They did a study, I think it was in, was it in Norway?

02:11:55.000 Dr. Rhonda Patrick brought it up on the podcast, that they showed a 40% decrease in mortality from all causes from use of daily sauna.

02:12:04.000 40% decrease in heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything, across the board.

02:12:10.000 It's unbelievably good for you.

02:12:12.000 Dang.

02:12:12.000 Yeah, it's because your body in reaction...

02:12:16.000 The response that your body has in reaction to that extreme temperature is just to create all these anti-inflammatory properties and that's just so good for your body.

02:12:26.000 Inflammation is just the root of so many different diseases and problems that we have.

02:12:31.000 What is the temperature and duration recommended for that?

02:12:35.000 I think it's 170 degrees and I think 20 minutes is what they want.

02:12:39.000 They want 20 minutes at 170 degrees for, I believe the test protocol was four days a week.

02:12:48.000 Is that the same statistic for, say, a red light sauna?

02:12:52.000 It's a good question.

02:12:53.000 They didn't use a red light sauna.

02:12:55.000 They didn't use an infrared sauna.

02:12:56.000 Like a traditional sauna.

02:12:56.000 They just used a traditional sauna.

02:12:58.000 But the theory is that it doesn't matter because what matters is your body reacting to the temperature change.

02:13:04.000 And it doesn't matter how it's getting to you.

02:13:06.000 They used a regular hot rock sauna.

02:13:08.000 That's what I have, a regular hot rock sauna.

02:13:10.000 But I don't think it matters.

02:13:11.000 I think what really matters is just the extreme temperature.

02:13:14.000 And a lot of people believe in those infrared saunas.

02:13:17.000 They think they're better.

02:13:17.000 I don't know.

02:13:18.000 I just know your body lacks sauna.

02:13:21.000 Whenever I do it, I just feel better.

02:13:23.000 Sleep all good.

02:13:24.000 It just feels better for my brain, too.

02:13:27.000 I just feel better about everything.

02:13:28.000 I just think it's just like getting your body heated up like that and then it cools off.

02:13:32.000 It just chills everything out.

02:13:35.000 Everything feels looser, too.

02:13:36.000 Like a quiet.

02:13:36.000 There's like a quiet afterwards.

02:13:38.000 Yeah.

02:13:39.000 Yeah.

02:13:39.000 Everything feels like it works better.

02:13:42.000 When I do it on a regular basis.

02:13:45.000 But I feel the same way about cryotherapy.

02:13:47.000 When I do cryotherapy on a regular basis too, everything seems to work better.

02:13:51.000 See, I only did cryotherapy a couple of times and it hurt my boobs.

02:13:57.000 So much that I just don't want to go.

02:14:01.000 That's funny.

02:14:02.000 I'll ice bath, and I mean, the thing is, I'll get in an ice bath, and I'm really, like, I'll get in, but I'm complaining the whole way.

02:14:10.000 You know, like, not saying one nice thing to you or your mama.

02:14:14.000 Like, I'm getting in there, and I'll do it when I'm ready.

02:14:17.000 And, oh, man, it's awful.

02:14:19.000 Awful.

02:14:20.000 And those cryotherapy things, like...

02:14:22.000 I appreciate the speed.

02:14:25.000 Do you really feel that they get through all of those layers of skin, like down to an optimal level on your tissue?

02:14:33.000 Well, it's the same thing.

02:14:34.000 It's cold shock proteins.

02:14:35.000 What happens is, if they really got through your skin, you'd be dead.

02:14:38.000 They really got through.

02:14:40.000 But the idea is...

02:14:42.000 That your body produces these cold shock proteins in response to anything that's over or under 150 degrees below zero.

02:14:49.000 That's the sweet spot, apparently.

02:14:51.000 When you hit that 150 degree below zero, your body produces all these massive anti-inflammatory properties.

02:14:57.000 Because again, it thinks it's going to die.

02:14:58.000 So it's like freaking out.

02:15:00.000 And people with arthritis and people with severe autoimmune issues where they have a lot of inflammation, real problems with their joints and their hands, they have huge results from cryotherapy.

02:15:13.000 There's a bunch of people that go to my place that...

02:15:16.000 They say that it's really essentially changed their life.

02:15:18.000 They were just in pain all the time, and now they know all they have to do is go there, step in that thing for three minutes, leave, and they're going to feel better.

02:15:26.000 And they just feel looser and relaxed and whatever their flare-ups.

02:15:29.000 And instead of their condition deteriorating, their condition improved and stabilized.

02:15:34.000 So it's about your body and the chemical value, not the cold itself.

02:15:39.000 Exactly.

02:15:39.000 It's about your body freaking out.

02:15:41.000 Your body going, yikes! 1.00

02:15:43.000 What is this bitch doing? 1.00

02:15:44.000 It's 150 degrees below zero! 1.00

02:15:46.000 Oh my god!

02:15:47.000 And then when you get out of there, you feel so good.

02:15:50.000 That's what does it for me.

02:15:51.000 When I get out, oh my god, I feel amazing.

02:15:55.000 It's like this rush of...

02:15:57.000 What's it called?

02:16:00.000 Norepinephrine?

02:16:01.000 Yeah.

02:16:02.000 You have this rush of it in your brain.

02:16:04.000 It's like you just took an awesome drug.

02:16:06.000 You just feel fantastic.

02:16:07.000 I get out.

02:16:07.000 The sun feels great.

02:16:09.000 People look better.

02:16:10.000 Everything just feels better, you know?

02:16:12.000 I do two sessions, too.

02:16:14.000 I do three minutes, and then I go out for ten minutes, and then I go back in for another three minutes.

02:16:18.000 How many times a week?

02:16:20.000 I try to do, depending on how many times I do the sauna, I want to do one or the other four times a week.

02:16:27.000 So either I'm doing the sauna or I'm doing cryo.

02:16:30.000 I don't do both in the same day, though.

02:16:32.000 You do some temperature manipulation four times a week.

02:16:35.000 Yes, four days a week.

02:16:36.000 And if I don't do that, I do hot yoga, which is another form of temperature manipulation, obviously, because you're 104 degrees, and you're there for 90 minutes sweating it out.

02:16:46.000 I mean, it's not as hot in the room, but your body absolutely has that same feeling that it has inside the sauna, where you're just like claustrophobic, or I gotta get the fuck out of here. 0.96

02:16:56.000 Dang. 0.97

02:16:57.000 Yeah.

02:16:57.000 I'm gonna try it.

02:16:58.000 I'll try it.

02:16:59.000 I'm so mad.

02:17:02.000 I will.

02:17:02.000 I'm going to send you this emoji.

02:17:04.000 That's how you know I'm there for the one.

02:17:07.000 The sauna, I'm good.

02:17:08.000 I sit in there and I just turn up the jams.

02:17:10.000 Well, if you're good with the sauna, just stick with the sauna.

02:17:12.000 I mean, I think they're both really good.

02:17:15.000 What if I get in a cold shower after the sauna?

02:17:18.000 Does that count as the same?

02:17:19.000 I like doing that too.

02:17:20.000 I like doing that after yoga, especially in the winter when the water gets real cold. 0.98

02:17:24.000 I like to get in that fucking cold shower and just really like, yikes! 0.97

02:17:30.000 Feel the two of them. 0.99

02:17:31.000 You know, the UFC has that set up too where they have the jacuzzi right next to the cold bath.

02:17:35.000 They got that cold plunge.

02:17:36.000 It's like set to below 50 degrees.

02:17:38.000 That's right.

02:17:38.000 You hop in there, freeze your ass off, and then hop in the sauna.

02:17:42.000 Apparently there's like really good benefits to doing that back and forth like that.

02:17:45.000 Yeah, it was the last fight out there.

02:17:49.000 I was sitting in that hot tub because I didn't have the sauna hooked up.

02:17:54.000 I just wanted to go in the hot tub and then I laid on the partition and I had one leg dangling in the cold pool and one leg dangling in the water.

02:18:01.000 It was really good looking, I'm sure.

02:18:03.000 But when you're starving and dying and giving no fucks anymore, it's just like I'm laying there like that. 0.60

02:18:08.000 Mackenzie Dern was laying over there looking a little worse than me, but it's like... 1.00

02:18:12.000 I guess I don't know.

02:18:13.000 What did you think would she miss weight by seven pounds? 1.00

02:18:16.000 That shit's kind of crazy, isn't it? 0.99

02:18:18.000 It's crazy because she, like, I was literally sitting in the locker room with her, like, we're giggling at UFC 222, like, because we're both, like, curvy, right? 1.00

02:18:29.000 And we're sitting in the locker room laughing about how much that shit weighs, you know? 0.99

02:18:34.000 And it's like, what can you do about that? 0.99

02:18:35.000 And even if you could, do you really want to, like...

02:18:38.000 I mean, I don't hate it, you know, but sitting in there and like laughing about it.

02:18:45.000 And that was what, what was the date of that?

02:18:47.000 March 3rd.

02:18:48.000 And then to come that much over, like she got her fight right away, announced right away, you know, that she was fighting May, what was it, 19th or something?

02:18:58.000 Yeah.

02:18:58.000 And it's just like that, like when you have that data in mind, I mean, granted, it's not me.

02:19:04.000 It's her.

02:19:05.000 I don't have her body.

02:19:06.000 I don't have her problems.

02:19:07.000 I don't have her life.

02:19:08.000 It doesn't mean anything to me.

02:19:12.000 But to know you have a fight.

02:19:15.000 It's signed up and it's ready.

02:19:17.000 At that point, it's maintenance.

02:19:19.000 It's maintenance.

02:19:20.000 That's not even doing anything different.

02:19:23.000 It's just maintenance.

02:19:24.000 These weight cuts are harder and harder on us as we get older.

02:19:28.000 I don't know what her body's doing. 0.79

02:19:30.000 I think she's 25. Yeah, she's young.

02:19:33.000 And I don't know what that, to make 115 pounds, asks of her. 1.00

02:19:37.000 And I don't know if she's on her period or not.

02:19:40.000 I don't know if that makes a difference to her.

02:19:42.000 With me, I always get mine the day of weigh-ins.

02:19:45.000 I have like three other girls, four other girls that I know that it's the exact same thing. 0.99

02:19:51.000 Like the morning of, made weight, about to go downstairs, and there's that fucker looking at you right there. 0.99

02:19:58.000 She's like, there's why I couldn't lose that last two pounds? 1.00

02:20:01.000 Sweet.

02:20:01.000 I would like to talk to John Crouch about what happened because he asked her to leave the lab.

02:20:06.000 Oh, that was where she was at?

02:20:08.000 Yeah.

02:20:09.000 Did she ever say why?

02:20:11.000 She didn't say why.

02:20:12.000 He didn't say why either.

02:20:14.000 They're both playing it professional.

02:20:17.000 I don't know what happened, but...

02:20:18.000 She was there a long time, too, though, wasn't she?

02:20:20.000 Well, like, because when I went to go train down there, she was already...

02:20:23.000 She was there one of the days.

02:20:25.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:20:25.000 I'm not sure.

02:20:27.000 I'm not sure.

02:20:28.000 But I know her dad, he's...

02:20:30.000 Doesn't he teach in Arizona?

02:20:32.000 Magaton?

02:20:32.000 I think so.

02:20:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:20:34.000 Her jiu-jitsu is fucking nasty, though, isn't it? 1.00

02:20:37.000 So gnarly. 1.00

02:20:38.000 Woo! 0.99

02:20:38.000 Yeah, she's good. 0.99

02:20:39.000 We competed against each other.

02:20:41.000 Yeah?

02:20:41.000 Yeah.

02:20:42.000 I was beating her ass. 1.00

02:20:43.000 Were you? 1.00

02:20:44.000 Yeah.

02:20:44.000 Well, it is rough.

02:20:46.000 It is rough because I, I, it was Worlds.

02:20:49.000 We were both purple belts.

02:20:50.000 I think it was the open division.

02:20:51.000 So I was like, I was heavier than her by the next weight class.

02:20:56.000 And I went to take her down.

02:20:59.000 I double-legged her all big. 1.00

02:21:00.000 And then, like, where we landed, so if this is, like, the square, we landed, like, right here.

02:21:06.000 And so they called it out.

02:21:08.000 And so they reset us in the middle, so no points.

02:21:10.000 Oh.

02:21:11.000 So we get in the middle. 1.00

02:21:11.000 Do you think they would fuck with you because she's Mackenzie Dern? 1.00

02:21:13.000 Because I'm not Brazilian enough. 1.00

02:21:15.000 Maybe.

02:21:15.000 Yeah.

02:21:16.000 Let's see.

02:21:17.000 So, they start us again.

02:21:19.000 I'm like, okay, noted.

02:21:20.000 I can't.

02:21:21.000 Don't go near that line.

02:21:22.000 Right. 0.99

02:21:22.000 So, I go and I shoot another double, pick her up, go take her down again. 0.99

02:21:26.000 Same thing, but, like, it's out of bounds again because it was too close because my double is like a tackle, you know?

02:21:33.000 Right.

02:21:33.000 And then, so we go back in the middle.

02:21:36.000 And we shake hands and we go.

02:21:38.000 So this time I go, shoot, I pick her up. 0.77

02:21:40.000 I look at the ref like, like, you're good?

02:21:42.000 Is this good?

02:21:43.000 Put her down here? 1.00

02:21:44.000 Yeah.

02:21:44.000 So put her down, go to pass her guard.

02:21:47.000 And I passed.

02:21:49.000 And then, um, I think she had, I sat back for a straight ankle lock.

02:21:54.000 And they're like, And they disqualified me.

02:21:58.000 What?

02:21:58.000 You can't have an ankle lock?

02:22:00.000 They're like, you can't do that.

02:22:00.000 I was like, can't do what?

02:22:01.000 And they're like, you can't do that.

02:22:03.000 And it's in the rule books.

02:22:04.000 I'm like, okay, if I'm going to look in the rule books, what am I looking up?

02:22:07.000 What can't I do?

02:22:08.000 Like, you can't do that.

02:22:10.000 You need to go.

02:22:11.000 You're disqualified.

02:22:12.000 I'm like, tell me what I did.

02:22:14.000 And they said that I reaped the knee.

02:22:15.000 But I didn't.

02:22:18.000 I really don't think I did, you know?

02:22:20.000 So you think they were just...

02:22:22.000 Juking the system to try to get her to win because she's Brazilian. 1.00

02:22:26.000 I don't know.

02:22:27.000 I don't know.

02:22:28.000 It happens.

02:22:28.000 It does.

02:22:29.000 It does happen.

02:22:30.000 Some tournaments.

02:22:31.000 Yeah, and I mean, the thing is, I love IBJJF tournaments, and I want to compete in them for the rest of my life.

02:22:41.000 But yeah, there is some themes that go on there.

02:22:44.000 There's definitely birthrights that get you places.

02:22:47.000 Birthrights.

02:22:48.000 That I would really like to have...

02:22:50.000 But at the same time...

02:22:51.000 But not really, no.

02:22:51.000 No, I don't want to have been born into it.

02:22:53.000 I want to make the statement of, like, have your birthright.

02:22:55.000 Like, I got this, you know? 0.94

02:22:56.000 I made it to some pretty badass tournaments and, you know, just, like, fighting the way I fight and trying not to give a shit about all of that. 0.92

02:23:05.000 And, like, I continue to do that. 0.74

02:23:06.000 I want to do the same, you know?

02:23:09.000 But, you know, that was a rough one for me.

02:23:13.000 Like, I was excited about that tournament.

02:23:14.000 I trained hard for that tournament.

02:23:16.000 And I think we were each other's, like...

02:23:19.000 I don't remember what match in the tournament it was, but to be disqualified.

02:23:23.000 What do they call specifically reaping the need?

02:23:26.000 Don't you have to go against the joint?

02:23:28.000 I don't know.

02:23:30.000 I don't know.

02:23:31.000 Like, I wish I could draw you a picture or show you a finger bent weird or something.

02:23:35.000 Do you think they were just trying to, like, come up with an excuse?

02:23:37.000 Well, I mean, the first two takedowns, like, we weren't...

02:23:41.000 Okay, maybe the first one...

02:23:42.000 You weren't really out of bounds.

02:23:42.000 Maybe the first one, we were on the line.

02:23:44.000 Fine.

02:23:45.000 The second one, like, we hit the ground and then we skidded a little.

02:23:49.000 So, but we were in. 0.96

02:23:51.000 And then the third round, I'm being a dick, and I'm just like, yeah, you're good. 0.78

02:23:55.000 And so they're like, mm, and they gave me the points. 0.96

02:23:57.000 And then I pass, and mm, they give me the points.

02:23:59.000 And then I sit back for that, and now I'm disqualified.

02:24:01.000 Yeah.

02:24:03.000 That's hard to swallow.

02:24:05.000 It is.

02:24:05.000 And I like her.

02:24:07.000 You know what I mean?

02:24:08.000 Her dad was at my gym teaching a seminar at my gym in Colorado months earlier.

02:24:14.000 And so when the match is over and we go and we're standing next to them, they're like, sorry.

02:24:21.000 Did you see the video that somebody made on Instagram of her after one day in Liverpool?

02:24:26.000 No.

02:24:27.000 What?

02:24:28.000 Do you know people make fun of her accent?

02:24:30.000 That it's not real?

02:24:30.000 Oh.

02:24:31.000 Yeah, someone just told me that recently.

02:24:33.000 Yeah, she apparently... 1.00

02:24:35.000 I don't know.

02:24:36.000 I mean, people...

02:24:37.000 Accents are weird to begin with.

02:24:39.000 Like, why do people talk the way they talk in the first place?

02:24:41.000 Because they sound like the people around them.

02:24:43.000 It's geographical.

02:24:44.000 Yeah, I mean, it's weird.

02:24:45.000 But there's a video that somebody made of Mackenzie Dern after one day in Liverpool.

02:24:49.000 And it's basically her talking, but Darren Till's voice instead.

02:24:55.000 It's rough.

02:24:57.000 I'm not playing it.

02:24:58.000 Don't play it, JB. Don't even pull it up.

02:25:00.000 I will not do that to her.

02:25:05.000 But it's pretty funny.

02:25:06.000 Yeah, because I was super confused when I interviewed her when she won in the UFC. They wanted a translator.

02:25:15.000 And I was like, what are you talking about?

02:25:17.000 Like, she speaks perfect English.

02:25:19.000 Like, this is really bizarre.

02:25:21.000 So George Grigel came in with me, and he's like, just in case she gets messed up any words.

02:25:26.000 And like, I didn't even question.

02:25:27.000 I was like, okay.

02:25:28.000 I was confused.

02:25:29.000 I'm like, but wait a minute.

02:25:30.000 I know she speaks perfect English. 0.96

02:25:32.000 Like, this is ridiculous. 0.97

02:25:34.000 Raised in Arizona, right? 1.00

02:25:35.000 Yeah, but she fucking speaks perfect English. 1.00

02:25:37.000 So I don't know if they were selling it. 0.98

02:25:40.000 I don't know whose idea it was.

02:25:42.000 I don't know.

02:25:44.000 I don't know.

02:25:44.000 I don't get it.

02:25:45.000 But the fucking internet got it. 1.00

02:25:47.000 They went crazy. 1.00

02:25:50.000 Oh, really?

02:25:51.000 They went crazy. 1.00

02:25:52.000 Everybody was like, what in the fuck is happening? 1.00

02:25:55.000 I didn't question it. 0.99

02:25:56.000 I'm like, look, I'm just here to interview her.

02:25:57.000 I just want her.

02:25:58.000 I mean, she wants to speak in Portuguese.

02:25:59.000 She wants to speak in English. 1.00

02:26:00.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:26:01.000 But I was like, why do you need a translator? 0.99

02:26:04.000 Like, that's insane. 1.00

02:26:06.000 Damn. 1.00

02:26:07.000 I don't know all that. 1.00

02:26:08.000 I don't know all that either, you know?

02:26:10.000 She definitely speaks English really well, though.

02:26:13.000 Is there a benefit to not...

02:26:15.000 Being Brazilian?

02:26:16.000 Well, yeah, I mean, obviously that's a huge demographic in this sport.

02:26:20.000 Huge, huge.

02:26:20.000 Like, primarily the biggest other than American.

02:26:25.000 Other than American, yeah. 0.82

02:26:26.000 But I'm curious if there's, like, a benefit or a marketing...

02:26:30.000 Like, is there something to that that would make that more...

02:26:33.000 Well, Brazilians have immense national pride, you know, and her being a Brazilian and the daughter of a Brazilian jiu-jitsu legend and, you know, speaking perfect Portuguese and English, you know, just, I guess maybe that's the idea behind it.

02:26:49.000 I don't know.

02:26:49.000 She's killing it though, like technically and with her style.

02:26:53.000 And I mean, like everything that she brings to the table is, is already good.

02:26:59.000 You know, it's like, don't fuck that up.

02:27:04.000 I don't know.

02:27:05.000 You know what?

02:27:05.000 Sometimes when I get around people, I feel bad because I try to be really empathetic.

02:27:10.000 And when I'm around foreigners, I will totally slow down my speaking so they will get it to the point where sometimes I think I look condescending. 1.00

02:27:20.000 You know, where I'm like, I just want this conversation to go as easy as possible for you because I'm already awkward and like, let me help you out, you know?

02:27:29.000 That's a different thing. 0.99

02:27:30.000 Remember when Madonna had a fake English accent and everybody was like, bitch, you're from Brooklyn or wherever the fuck you're from. 1.00

02:27:35.000 You are not from England. 1.00

02:27:37.000 You can't do that.

02:27:38.000 Stop.

02:27:39.000 Well, yeah, I mean, depending who she's around, I guess, I don't know. 1.00

02:27:42.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:27:42.000 That's the thing. 1.00

02:27:43.000 If you're around people that have that accent, you will pick it up.

02:27:48.000 Yeah.

02:27:48.000 When I was a kid, I definitely had a Boston accent, but I heard myself talk on TV once when I was like 19 with a Boston accent.

02:27:55.000 I was like, oh no.

02:27:57.000 I gotta get rid of that.

02:27:58.000 Like, how did I pick that up so quick?

02:28:00.000 Yeah, and my family's all Minnesota rural, you know, and so when I go home, I get that and it'll stick around for a few weeks.

02:28:06.000 Yeah, especially if you drink, right?

02:28:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, or I'm real tired.

02:28:10.000 Yeah, or yeah, if you're around all those people, it's like comforting. 0.91

02:28:13.000 Accents are fucking strange. 0.97

02:28:15.000 They really are strange. 0.98

02:28:17.000 They're specific to regions.

02:28:19.000 It just shows you how pliable people are.

02:28:22.000 Southern accents.

02:28:24.000 Even in England, you have very, very different British accents.

02:28:29.000 Sure.

02:28:30.000 Which I'm sure to them sounds exactly like Texas versus New York.

02:28:35.000 Just a different twang.

02:28:37.000 Yeah, my friend's wife is from Liverpool and she was trying to explain Scouse to me, like the way they talk in Liverpool versus the way they would talk in like say London.

02:28:47.000 I'm like, y'all sound like English to me.

02:28:49.000 You might as well be Australian. 1.00

02:28:52.000 I don't get it.

02:28:52.000 I get that you sound different than me.

02:28:55.000 I don't get what's happening though.

02:28:57.000 I don't get the accent.

02:28:59.000 Until like somebody like Darren Tills clearly has that Liverpool accent.

02:29:05.000 It's so clear.

02:29:07.000 But I still don't get it.

02:29:08.000 I don't know what it is.

02:29:11.000 You could say he's from London.

02:29:12.000 I'm like, oh, okay, cool.

02:29:13.000 English.

02:29:14.000 Well, isn't there, isn't there, is it like Ibiza that, or like whoever was a reign there had like a lisp, right?

02:29:21.000 And so then Ibiza, and then that ended up being what the people picked up as like, was it a compliment or just how it happened?

02:29:27.000 Because that's how things were like pronounced when they were being explained.

02:29:30.000 Like, I don't know, maybe there's some kind of like speech impediment that went along with every different dialect and every accent.

02:29:36.000 That is what it is with Spain. 0.99

02:29:39.000 The way they pronounce certain words is because some fucking king somewhere along the line had a lisp. 1.00

02:29:46.000 Strange. 1.00

02:29:47.000 Strange shit. 1.00

02:29:48.000 Did you know that... 1.00

02:29:48.000 There's a place in Brazil that has a lisp also, I forget. 1.00

02:29:51.000 Really?

02:29:52.000 Yeah.

02:29:53.000 I'm sure there must be different accents in Brazil, right? 0.99

02:29:56.000 Brazil's fucking huge. 0.99

02:29:57.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:29:57.000 I mean, definitely different sing-songy type of tones. 0.99

02:30:00.000 Tones, I would say, more.

02:30:02.000 Did you ever train down there?

02:30:04.000 Yeah, I've been down there I think three times, four times.

02:30:08.000 To train?

02:30:09.000 To train and to visit.

02:30:11.000 I won a big old jujitsu tournament down there before.

02:30:14.000 Oh yeah?

02:30:15.000 Yeah, I think it was like Brazilian Nationals, something like that.

02:30:18.000 So I would go down, like, get fully ready to train, get there the day before, and cut.

02:30:24.000 Because once you're there, and then compete the second day I was there, so the rest of it's vacation.

02:30:29.000 Because it's like, once you're there, all the food, all of the, like, beach and, like, lazy, like, there's nothing in me that wants to work hard.

02:30:35.000 Once I get there, all I want to do is just enjoy the music and the sounds and the people.

02:30:40.000 Yeah, they know how to cook down there. 0.90

02:30:42.000 Those chuhascarias? 1.00

02:30:43.000 Holy shit, is that good. 1.00

02:30:44.000 It's brilliant. 1.00

02:30:45.000 It's brilliant.

02:30:46.000 Well, you guys have them in San Diego.

02:30:48.000 They have them everywhere now, thank God.

02:30:50.000 Yeah.

02:30:50.000 But that style of cooking is the best.

02:30:53.000 Those skewers over fire.

02:30:55.000 That's what I'm talking about.

02:30:56.000 Meat over fire.

02:30:57.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:30:58.000 That's it.

02:30:59.000 And then the little sauces, like the creations, just oil and lime and seasoning.

02:31:04.000 It's so good.

02:31:04.000 I better not talk anymore.

02:31:05.000 You won't make weight.

02:31:06.000 Oh my gosh.

02:31:07.000 I'll always make weight.

02:31:08.000 I'm just a little bit more dead than others.

02:31:12.000 Why has Kat cut off her leg? 0.99

02:31:13.000 We just did two and a half hours.

02:31:15.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:31:16.000 Time just flew by.

02:31:18.000 So, good luck.

02:31:20.000 Good luck in Boise.

02:31:22.000 I'm looking forward to seeing you fight.

02:31:23.000 I'm very excited and I'm glad we finally got a chance to do this.

02:31:27.000 Is it Kat Zingano MMA on Twitter?

02:31:31.000 What is your...

02:31:32.000 Do you know it?

02:31:33.000 She's got a checker phone! 1.00

02:31:35.000 I know how to send stuff out, but I don't know a lot of everything.

02:31:38.000 You don't know what it is?

02:31:39.000 It is...

02:31:41.000 Alpha Kat Zingano.

02:31:42.000 Yep, at Kat Zingano.

02:31:44.000 And then on my Instagram, it's Alpha Kat Zingano.

02:31:46.000 And then Facebook, it's Kat Zingano MMA Fighter.

02:31:49.000 Kat Zingano, ladies and gentlemen.

02:31:50.000 Thank you.

02:31:50.000 I'm glad we finally did this.

02:31:51.000 Yeah, me too.

02:31:52.000 Thanks for having me.

02:31:53.000 Thank you.

02:31:53.000 My pleasure.

02:31:54.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 06, 2010

JRE MMA Show #29 with Cat Zingano

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