In this episode, we sit down with our good friend, coach, and brother, Tim Welch. Tim talks about his life growing up in Montana, how he got into jiu-jitsu, and what it's like being in Phoenix, Arizona. We also talk about his time in the military, and how he thinks about joining the military at some point in the future. We hope you enjoy this episode as much as we did making it, and we hope you all enjoy listening to it! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and we'll send you a shoutout. Thanks for listening, and Happy Training! Cheers, Sean, Tim, and Sully. XOXO - The Guys in the Cage Crew xoxo, Sully, Sean and Tim and Saylor - Saylor, Saylor & Saylor (Sugar) & Sanyo (Syracuse) Xoxo And we talk about how to be a better jiu jitsu coach, what it s like to train in the best place in the world, and why you should join the military. Saylor talks about how he's not too old to join the Military. and why he thinks it's a good idea to get into the military . Syracus and I talk about why he doesn't think he's too old for jiujitsu. We talk about what he thinks is a little bit too old, and his plans for his future in the next year. I hope you guys like the future of his future plans, and much more! - Tim & Serye Thank you for listening to this episode. -Sugar and Seryea Xyras, Saree, Siree, and our thoughts on this episode! Xxo, and all the other guys in this episode Sire and Sire & Sire, and some other stuff. , and a lot more! XxO (and a few other stuff! xo, I love you guys! :D <3 -Sue, SUEE, SSEYE, EJ, SANDY, SONGS, and Alyssa, and BOBY, and TAYLOR
00:00:48.000Yeah, Bozeman's probably one of the better places to train, but the one thing good about being from Montana is when we're in Phoenix, it's like a big process getting a fight.
00:00:55.000Sugar, how many amateur fights do you have?
00:00:57.000Yeah, I had 14 MMA fights, amateur MMA fights, four kickboxing, couple boxing.
00:04:11.000You know, when you were telling me today, we were doing a little practicing, you were saying that you were doing some stuff in fights where you just thought of it.
00:04:18.000Like, while you're doing it, you just felt like doing it.
00:04:20.000Like, there's people that can do that, and there's people that never do that.
00:04:24.000You know, when they're in the fight, they're tightened up, and they're fucking sticking to the script, and maybe even sticking to, like, the real basics, you know?
00:04:31.000Like, barely even speaking in sentences.
00:04:34.000I think a lot of people think too much when they're in there and it's easier to say, I feel like when I'm in there I'm reacting.
00:04:40.000I'm letting all my training take over.
00:04:42.000I'm not really thinking, I'm just reacting to what they're doing and I think that it helps me do what I've been doing is just reacting to certain situations and I just feel like I'm on a step ahead of them.
00:04:56.000Whoever I'm fighting, I feel like I'm a step ahead of them.
00:04:58.000He's really good at, like, the greater the chaos, the calmer he becomes.
00:06:32.000He's fascinating to me, Max, because he's just this guy that I knew he was really good, and then he kept getting better and kept getting better.
00:06:40.000I'm like, where's the ceiling on this guy?
00:06:42.000And then you saw in the Aldo fight, when he beat Aldo the first time, and then the second time.
00:06:47.000And the second time, you're like, Jesus Christ.
00:06:50.000Like, you really don't know how good a guy is.
00:06:53.000Like, you see them in a fight, and you go, wow, he's really good.
00:06:56.000But then you don't see him for a while, and you're like, is he better?
00:08:51.000But it worked in the Michael Johnson fight.
00:08:53.000So it's like when you see it in the Michael Johnson fight, when you see like Johnson's leg just starting to give out, We watched Luis Palomino in LFA. Was it LFA? It was World Series back then.
00:11:01.000Dude, we're so, so lucky to have the internet and podcasts and be able to learn from guys like you, Dr. Andy Galpin, like Aubrey Marcus, Tim Ferriss, like...
00:11:11.000Chris Kresher, you ever listen to some of the episodes with Chris Kresher?
00:16:41.000I'm going to try to treat him like my little brother and help him.
00:16:43.000And he was willing to, like, kind of follow along, and then he started slowly starting to eat better, started to eat spinach, and his back problems started to go away.
00:17:50.000Or just, like people, they're mad at me for not eating a vegan diet anymore.
00:17:55.000But I... I always say, I ate that vegan diet for six months, but I incorporated eggs into it because I just couldn't, I wasn't eating enough.
00:18:57.000I knew I just had to go out there and perform.
00:18:58.000But yeah, I weighed in at 136, and I walked into the cage at 138. And you can even go back and look at that video, and I looked just unhealthy.
00:19:16.000Two weeks later we went to hang out with our buddy Scott Holtzman in the UFC for UFC Fresno and Dr. Andy Galpin was with him for the week and I knew Sugar was with me.
00:19:25.000He watched What the Health and that's what turned him vegan so I made sure to ask Dr. Andy in front of Sugar.
00:19:31.000I said, how much would Sean benefit from eating like elk?
00:19:39.000And then Sean right there made the decision, I'm gonna start eating some meat.
00:19:41.000telling if this if he's this smart and he's telling me that some good quality meat's gonna benefit me I would be stupid to not take him up on that and do that so and I don't regret I feel so good eating meat again if the way stronger it's hard when you see those document and also you get a lot of positive reinforcement from other vegans that are very happy that you're vegan yeah they love that you join the team and look people want to be healthy And for the most part, eating vegetables is very healthy.
00:20:11.000The problem is there's a lot of nutrients that you're going to really have to search for if you're just eating plants.
00:20:17.000And the protein is not as bioavailable.
00:20:20.000The amino acids are not as bioavailable.
00:20:22.000It's very hard to get vitamin B without supplementation.
00:20:25.000There's a lot of shit that you're just not going to get.
00:20:28.000They, like, bang for your buck in terms of the amount of nutrients that you get in, like, a small grass-fed steak versus a big plate of broccoli.
00:20:55.000And on it debunked a shitload of the things.
00:20:59.000We had actual nutritionists analyze what they were saying, go over the studies, and they debunked a shitload of what they put in that film.
00:21:07.000That film is a propaganda film, and it gets a lot of people thinking this is the way to go.
00:21:11.000It's going to reverse heart disease and help your body and...
00:21:20.000When they do these studies with people, especially studies that they do on people that show that people that eat meat more than five times a week have a higher incidence of heart disease and all these different things, they don't measure what else they eat.
00:21:34.000These people that are eating meat all the time are eating fries and shakes and soda.
00:23:42.000I mean, look, man, a nice, delicious, ripe peach is about as fucking good as any bullshit food.
00:23:48.000Fuckin' fake dessert that you're gonna get anywhere.
00:23:51.000We don't appreciate it because we think of it as being a healthy choice, so you don't get that I'm being a naughty boy reward that you get from having a banana split or something.
00:26:14.000Yeah, I mean just well you got to think about just what you do for a living I mean just that alone is crazy right the desire to be a professional fighter to Desire to fucking kick people in the head and choke them and have them try to do it to you And this is what excites you and that this is what's driving you to go to the gym to improve Constantly at I mean that alone is crazy, you know and then these other people that are living their lives and Drinking too much and smoking too much and eating shitty foods.
00:27:25.000So I just started reading books and started reading about eating healthy and super lucky to learn and be around that guy.
00:27:31.000He was probably one of the biggest influences in my life because I was raised Jehovah's Witness my whole life and he was raised Jehovah's Witness his whole life and I carried a lot of fucking guilt For not being in the, like, religion slash cult.
00:27:41.000And he's like, dude, you're not a good person because of that religion.
00:27:44.000He's like, you're a good person because you're a fucking good person.
00:27:47.000And then just started telling me to read and do your own research.
00:29:25.000They have elders too, just like the Mormons?
00:29:26.000Yeah, and I'm and I made the decision I'm gonna go move with my dad and move back to Montana and then my dad was super into UFC So I started wrestling and boxing when I was 14 and then on from there my One of my wife's well, how do I put this though?
00:29:41.000this person I know was heavily into Mormonism and They they had people come over the house that were elders and the kid was 20 and And he's like, this is Elder Mike.
00:34:09.000Well Hendrix for a while had some magic power in his hands.
00:34:15.000It was weird But it's weird is that it went away.
00:34:18.000It didn't make any sense If you see like his fight with Martin Kampmann or his fight with Fitch or a lot of the guys he fought He would just fucking one touch these guys and they would fly across the cage like he had magic in his hands fuck Dude, Hendricks for a while, I mean, I don't know if he got injured, if his shoulder got fucked up, if he couldn't throw the way he used to be able to throw, whatever it was, USADA, whatever it was, whatever got him, whatever got him, motivation, time,
00:35:07.000Jim's knows things that have not been published.
00:35:10.000We know people that have not been caught, but we've seen them dip significantly when they had to go off a cycle because they're going to a place where they were going to get tested regularly.
00:36:01.000I mean, if you come from this place where you're allowed to cheat, basically, and you're doing it all the time, which we all know a lot of organizations allow that to happen, and then you try to come over to the UFC, you're going to see depression.
00:37:06.000Still went into the second round and I was trying to finish him, trying to put him away because I knew if I win one more I'll get back in the UFC. So that was a tough one.
00:41:47.000Yeah, chickens, they love to eat bugs and worms and grass, and they love to roam around.
00:41:54.000And if they are allowed to do that, they get a dark, like an orange yolk that you just don't get from those goddamn grocery store egg chickens.
00:42:02.000Those grocery store chickens are prisoners.
00:44:31.000They don't live forever anyway, and the way they die in the wild by getting torn apart by wolves or coyotes or mountain lions is way worse than a bullet or an arrow.
00:44:41.000You know, I mean, the life of an elk is a quick life.
00:44:47.000Not that one, but that one's probably only like maybe five years old, but the one outside, the big one over by the mats, that one's about nine years old.
00:44:58.000That's about as old as you're going to...
00:45:00.000If you find like a 10, 11-year-old elk, holy shit, that guy's lived forever and their teeth are all worn down.
00:45:11.000And they're out there just fighting for their life and trying to get by.
00:45:16.000Most of the time they're just grazing, but they'll look up and they'll see a wolf or something and it's like, fuck, it's on, man.
00:45:22.000I have some friends that live in Idaho.
00:45:24.000And you know, Idaho has a considerable wolf population.
00:45:27.000And they went on this scouting trip, and when they were up in the hills, they found four dead, really large bull elk that were torn apart by wolves.
00:45:40.000Over the course of a 10-mile hike, they found four of them laying there dead, torn apart by wolves.
00:45:47.000And they're like, holy shit, this is crazy!
00:45:50.000So the wolves will eat part of it, leave it there.
00:45:53.000I mean, it's cold as shit where they are.
00:45:54.000They don't have to worry about the meat going bad.
00:45:55.000So they'll kill it, tear it apart, and then they'll find another one.
00:45:58.000And their instinct is to go after the next one.
00:46:01.000They don't just kill one and say, we've got enough food, we'll eat this until we're full, and then when we get hungry, go hunt another one.
00:48:28.000You know, their life is out there killing.
00:48:30.000And the elk's life is out there surviving.
00:48:32.000And the way I feel about hunting is you just dip your legs and your body into that world with discipline and with an understanding of what you're doing.
00:48:41.000And if you get lucky and you get an opportunity, you kill one of those animals and bring it out.
00:48:45.000And to me, that is the cleanest, best way to eat meat.
00:48:49.000I just feel like there's no better way in terms of karma, in terms of your interaction with nature, the understanding connection that you have to your food.
00:48:59.000And then health-wise, there's no Monsanto, GMO, no spraying.
00:49:54.000See, I smoked when I was younger, but it was only like occasionally at like a party and I always felt like a loser for doing it.
00:50:00.000You know, like everybody else would be getting high and I'm like, I'll try that.
00:50:03.000But I was probably already drunk anyway, you know, like when I was 14 or 15 or something like that.
00:50:08.000So maybe I smoked weed a handful of times, less than a dozen times, until I was 30. And then Eddie Bravo got me into it when I was 30 years old.
00:51:38.000You know, and you hear the bell that says 30 seconds, and you're flurrying, and then you get that one minute off to think about life and your future, and...
00:51:46.000The fucking universe and volcanoes and Guatemala and Hawaii.
00:52:38.000I feel the connection with all the tissue, all of it working together.
00:52:43.000I swear it helps you just stay in the moment a little bit more, especially at night after you train real hard and you're thinking about your mind's going 100 miles per hour.
00:55:14.000I wake up, do my morning routine, go to the gym, come home, do what I do, eat lunch, play Fortnite, go to the gym, come home, and that's when I'm like, okay.
00:58:47.000So he's got his range down so good and his eyes and his timing and his reaction time is so fucking fast.
00:58:53.000So like everyone sees him and they're like, oh, that's beatable.
00:58:56.000But with him in front of you, it's way fucking different.
00:58:59.000Well, your length, man, for your weight class, for Bantamweight, you're so fucking long.
00:59:03.000And I told you when I saw you, I thought for a second that you might have been the son of Michael O'Malley.
00:59:11.000There's a guy named Michael O'Malley who was my original Taekwondo instructor, was a four-time national champion, like literally one of the best Taekwondo fighters in the world.
01:02:15.000Benefit to me to becoming what I want to be and it's so awesome like we're doing this together So it's cool.
01:02:20.000I remember being 19 in the apartment like this is what I wanted everything like training and To have to have him here with me even just being here.
01:02:29.000It's just so awesome to travel everywhere everywhere I go He's we're going places.
01:02:32.000We're traveling and we're training everywhere.
01:06:06.000Just this whole fight game is just all about just...
01:06:10.000I feel like I'm learning so much it's hard to hard to explain my brain and I'm still trying to figure out all this everything I'm learning I'm listening to so many podcasts every day reading so many books every day and I can't really explain what my brain but try try to explain what you were your original thoughts so like you feel like what you're putting out on social media is the ego and what you really are like who you really are is something different Well yeah, I think just humans in general, we're all at the core, we're all just want love and compassion.
01:06:44.000Fight, like what makes me truly happy is training jiu-jitsu, or training in general, eating healthy, and being around people I love, being around my dogs, watering my flowers, like that's what makes me happy, that's what makes...
01:06:57.000What kind of satisfaction do you get from fighting?
01:10:22.000That's one of the best things about the internet.
01:10:24.000You get to see all these people that are doing things in a healthy way and doing things that are exciting and inspirational and it makes you want to do stuff that's good.
01:10:33.000It makes you want to take care of your body and makes you really want to concentrate on your mind and meditate and just really get everything in order.
01:10:43.000Every morning I meditate for 10 minutes and I feel like it's helping me throughout the day understand why certain thoughts are coming up, whether it's from my childhood traumas or just anything, just certain patterns.
01:12:11.000In routine, John Donaher wrote some really fascinating piece on his Instagram about routine, about how important it is if you're a great athlete.
01:12:22.000You find me a great athlete, I'll find you someone whose life is governed by routine.
01:12:28.000And that this is the way to check progress, and this is the way to constantly be moving towards your goal.
01:12:34.000And I remember reading that, and I said to myself, this is something that I've always known, but never verbalized.
01:12:41.000I've never said it, but it's something that I've always known.
01:13:52.000You have to have a mind that's made out of steel to be able to do that same stupid shit every day to try to get an extra tenth of a second here or an eighth of a second there.
01:14:02.000But I remember thinking, like, it was...
01:14:05.000It was at the same time horrifying to me that someone would ever want to do the same stupid shit over and over again until they won a gold medal, but at the same time massively impressive that this guy had this kind of iron will.
01:14:19.000Every time Edwin Moses placed his feet on the blocks from 1977 to 1987, he won.
01:14:24.000Moses, arguably the best hurdler ever, won 122 races, including 107 consecutive finals and set world records in the 400-meter hurdles four times.
01:14:35.000Within that 10-year span, his journey to this untouchable level was marked by personal innovation and determination, proving that elite coaching and state-of-the-art facilities are not required for supreme athletic success.
01:14:50.000I believe it was Sports Illustrated that had an article about this guy, and I remember just seeing how motivated I was seeing him Stretching and working out and and going over his routine and I was thinking to myself like I would think about it every time I worked out that like what would Moses do?
01:15:07.000How would Moses like I gotta start writing shit down I got to start really thinking about everything I do and I got to start putting it together on a daily basis like he does That's what Robert Follis' favorite formula you'd always say is consistency over time equals results.
01:15:23.000That was his favorite formula and I got it tattooed on there.
01:15:25.000And it's funny because like once you get good at one thing, you realize like, fuck, I could get good at anything.
01:15:30.000I know what it takes is fucking consistency.
01:18:04.000Brilliant matchmaking, by the way, by Joel Silva.
01:18:06.000When they introduced Anderson, I was a giant Anderson fan before he fought, because I was watching him in Pride, where he was fighting well, but then I knew he was better than that.
01:18:16.000He was going through a lot of bullshit, and that's when he was with Muay Thai Dream Team, and I think he had already left Shoot the Box at one point in time, but then he went over and fought in Cage Rage.
01:18:26.000He fought in England, and when he fought in England, I was like, holy shit!
01:18:31.000When you got to see when he fought George Rivera, when he fought Lee Murray, you got to see how goddamn good Anderson really was when he was in his prime.
01:18:39.000So when he came into the UFC, he was already in his 30s.
01:18:42.000In his first fight with Lieben, I want to say he was like 32, 33, something like that.
01:18:47.000Yeah, and he lit Chris Lieben on fire, and I remember watching, and I was saying this, I'm like, this is the perfect opponent for Anderson, because Lieben's an animal, he's a fucking warrior, he's going to bite down on his mouthpiece and come swinging, and Anderson is going to be 15 steps ahead of him, dissecting him in different angles and degrees, and as he comes forward, he's just catching him, bank, bank, stepping over here, pop, wow!
01:20:56.000Yeah, John recognized that Vitor was standing square as well, and John hit him with a front leg sidekick right to the solar plexus and dropped him.
01:21:05.000And then Vitor caught John with an arm bar.
01:23:14.000You know, I mean, but I feel like Travis, at his best, there was moments in his career where it was like, this guy, I used to call him the dark horse.
01:23:22.000I was like, that guy's the dark horse of the heavyweight division.
01:25:46.000And he managed to do something that very few people have been able to do with Maia, where he just overwhelmed him, beat him up, beat him up standing, controlled where the fight took place, won a clear-cut decision, did it in Brazil, and did it after Woodley did it, and did it arguably better than Woodley did it.
01:26:12.000I mean, if you go back and watch what Maya was able to do with, like, Rick Story, what Maya's been able to do with Matt Brown, Maya's a fucking monster.
01:26:22.000When he gets a hold of you, it's such next-level jiu-jitsu.
01:26:26.000And Kobe was really never in trouble in that fight.
01:26:28.000So you have to look at that, and you go, okay, well obviously he has fantastic defense, solid wrestling base, can strike on the feet, and knows how to fight a grimy, nasty fight.
01:29:14.000It's going to be interesting who we get for Sugar next.
01:29:16.000Because it's probably going to be a five-rounder.
01:29:18.000Well, no, what I was thinking, because originally after that last fight, when we went to the hospital, I remember the post-fight conference, Dana White's like, they said John's foot's fine, because at the hospital they said there was nothing wrong with my foot.
01:31:48.000But until I'm in front of you and I'm doing it, I feel like it's another level of speed that they're not prepared for.
01:31:55.000And I truly believe that, like, and I truly, every fight, like, going into that last fight, I was 100% confident I was going to knock him out.
01:32:02.000I didn't knock him out, but if I had a couple more seconds in that first round...
01:32:07.000And you're so skinny and goofy looking.
01:32:16.000Dude, at our apartment, we had our first apartment, there was this big jack guy with a wife beater, and we're like, oh, we're both professional fighters.
01:32:22.000He's like, that kid's a professional fighter?
01:32:24.000He's like, I want to be a professional fighter.
01:39:47.000And Dr. Rhonda Patrick was going over all the dangers of non-steroidal anti-inflammatories and ibuprofen, talking about the increased risk of strokes and all these different things.
01:40:07.000So the reason why he was taking it was because he was in pain.
01:40:11.000I'm good shit seriously and For him at least His the inflammation that it was causing him probably because he's taking too much as well You know a lot of people think like hey, it says take two.
01:40:22.000I'll take six Right and when you do that you're torching your fucking gut bacteria So he's creating all this internal inflammation which is in turn leading to all this pain Which is in turn making want to take ibuprofen Yeah.
01:40:36.000Dude, and that's why, like, lucky to have friends that want to help each other like that.
01:40:41.000In Singapore, you can be dragged into custody without a warrant and be compelled to submit to drug testing by Singapore authorities.
01:40:48.000As Singaporean drug counselor and ex-detainee Tony Tan explains, penalties for the first time you're caught are for drug consumption is one year, the second time is three years, and the third time is five minimum with three strokes of the cane.
01:41:26.000The article says that there's a lot of Singaporeans that try to take drug trips and they get caught when they come back because it's still in their system.
01:41:51.0002018. So you can live like we live here in California where weed is legal and if you're a grown adult, just like you could buy a drink, you could buy a joint, which it should be.
01:43:59.000What are they afraid of with this marijuana?
01:44:01.000I mean, what do they think it's going to do?
01:44:03.000What are they afraid of with people taking drugs?
01:44:05.000Open people's mind, like, a little bit.
01:44:07.000Well, the fact that they think that they, and they've made it so, that they can just lock you up in a cage if you do something with your body that they don't want you to do.
01:44:57.000Like this Philadelphia Eagles thing, like not enough of them wanted to come to the White House, so he canceled the meeting and said that they wouldn't kneel.
01:45:04.000They didn't kneel for the National Anthem.
01:45:06.000And so then if they find out that, no, those fucking guys, none of them, none of them kneeled for the National Anthem.
01:45:55.000Somebody went after him and he said what a fragile eagle he has that he couldn't deal with not having a party that people didn't want to go to.
01:47:57.000Well, we don't even know what we're doing.
01:47:59.000How much of what the bills are about and all these amendments, how much of any of that shit do you pay attention to when Congress is in session or the Senate rules on things?
01:49:12.000You would think with the kind of things, the organism that is a human being, the kind of thing that could figure out a way to make sound, go through a metal thing covered in foam, goes through wires, and in real time hits people in their ears.
01:49:31.000If they're streaming, they could have headphones on, be on the train right now, and they're getting this in real time.
01:49:37.000That we can send video through the sky and it can hit Australia.
01:49:42.000Your friends can text you pictures back and forth from Africa.
01:49:46.000They could be in Africa and, dude, I just saw a leopard.
01:49:49.000And they send you a fucking photo and you're like, holy shit, it's flying through the sky!
01:49:53.000And yet, the best way we can figure out who's in control of the nuclear weapons is to have a popularity contest.
01:50:06.000We're in this wave of being evolved and not being evolved at the same time.
01:50:13.000Technologically, spectacularly evolved to the point where we can bend Like, the shit that we can do is off the charts when it comes to, like, technology and our ability to manipulate the world around us and create giant buildings and structures and airplanes and bridges and shit.
01:50:35.000But the monkey interaction thing is still not very good.
01:50:40.000We still have places where we send people over with metal tanks and guns and shoot people and protect people from the other people that are shooting people and get involved in all these fucking crazy things.
01:50:51.000Our physical interactions as organisms are just still in this barbaric stage.
01:50:57.000We're still in this one tribe going after another tribe stage from 20,000 years ago, 30,000 years ago.
01:51:05.000But now this programming can fly jets filled with missiles and shoot them out of the sky and sneak up on you underwater in a metal tube, a submarine that shoots fucking nuclear missiles and shit underwater.
01:51:50.000And while all this weird personal interaction shit is happening that's distracting the fuck out of us, the more it ramps up, the better AI gets.
01:52:21.000We'll just go back in time and set people up and make them make us.
01:52:24.000We'll just plant this idea in their heads and just like an aquatic worm makes a caterpillar or one of those grasshoppers rather jump into a pool and drown itself so that it can swim out of its brain.
01:52:35.000You ever see one of those things happen?
01:52:36.000Just like that, AI's doing that with us.
01:52:38.000They give us shiny Samsung Galaxy Note 9. Look at how big the battery is.
01:53:00.000We're gonna put a little robot dick In our ass a little pellet if you could just hold in your ass it's smooth do you barely know what's in there, but it connects with your ass is open It's not like the rest of your skin.
01:53:11.000You're not gonna keep it in your mouth, right?
01:53:13.000Well the ass is the way to go because it's like open You know it's not like you don't have to go through the dermis and so that just just connects with you and you can fucking see Augmented reality with a little tiny robot dick.
01:54:28.000If you look at all the different kinds of interactions that we managed to successfully navigate, I mean people obviously have problems in business and there's lawsuits in business and there's people that get fired and there's all sorts of problems with people doing business.
01:54:41.000But overall, they get a lot of things done.
01:57:08.000And when a crazy showman becomes the leader of the thing, whether or not he's doing good, I'm not even arguing politically whether he's doing good or bad or the economy's up because of him, I don't know.
01:57:33.000Imagine what people think if someone like Sam Harris was a president or something and he was talking about a National Mushroom Day or talking about that stuff, how bad people would freak out.
01:57:43.000There's people that disagree with Sam, too.
01:57:46.000There's a ton of very, very smart people that disagree with Sam.
01:57:50.000You know and it's really interesting to see those disagreements because when really high-level intellects debate each other about things or disagree on things and you get to see not just Their ideas play out and how their ideas work against the other person's ideas you get to see that but you also get to see like Thinking and communicating at a super high level, right?
01:58:18.000Their intellectuals are trying to outsmart each other.
01:58:20.000So they're debating about, you know, the existence of God or whatever the fuck it is.
01:58:26.000We get really smart people who disagree on shit.
02:00:03.000Because if you don't tap, you're going to get hurt.
02:00:05.000Almost every significant injury I ever got doing jiu-jitsu, other than one fucked up knee, which was just a weird passing the guard thing, my ACL popped, but almost every other one was from not tapping.
02:01:09.000That's what we're going to be focused on a lot with Sean is a lot of legs and heel hooks, knee bars, the lower half of the body for the next few months.
02:05:39.000So all these things that we know have happened, even if we study super volcanoes and tsunamis and cataclysmic earthquakes and solar flares, even when we study all those things, man, we don't think they're real.
02:05:50.000They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's Guatemala.
02:05:59.000We built a bunch of houses because we don't think very good, because we don't realize that this might not be here in a year.
02:06:06.000There might come a giant wave that hits with those fucking houses that are perched in Santa Monica, perched over the water in Malibu and shit.
02:06:40.000Well, these guys just decide, I want to wake up in the morning because I'm a winner and I want to do my coffee and I want to do my coke and I want to look out the window and see the fucking ocean!
02:08:36.000You know, it's funny to me, like, a switch in subjects, but, like, seeing people that are married, husbands that are married to their wife, just going through the classic role of get married, and you got your wife, and you don't talk to her, and go to the boys.
02:09:48.000He felt like climate change caused people to move from a mushroom culture to an alcohol culture.
02:09:55.000And that the death of the ego and the expanding consciousness and the community feelings that you would get from communal mushroom trips all were replaced by drunken asshole-ishness and chaos.
02:10:10.000He's not alive anymore, but when he was alive he broke it down pretty eloquently.
02:10:15.000It's not something I'm smart enough to know if he's right or if he's wrong, but it's a very compelling argument that people...
02:10:21.000Because we know that they used to definitely do a lot of mushrooms.
02:10:25.000We know the Vikings did a lot of mushrooms.
02:10:27.000We know that there's a bunch of ancient art pieces that show mushrooms and even people...
02:10:34.000That were under the spell of the mushroom.
02:10:36.000Like a person, like a really old one, Jack Herrer was showing all these.
02:10:40.000Jack Herrer was this great weed activist who wrote a book called The Emperor Has No Clothes.
02:10:45.000It's all a book about him being a Goldwater Republican and finding marijuana and then becoming like this marijuana advocate and a hero for marijuana.
02:10:53.000And he was in the middle of writing a book.
02:10:58.000And part of the book was about mushrooms and mushrooms in the history of Christianity.
02:11:03.000And he had all this ancient artwork that all had mushroom iconography, like mushroom images in it.
02:11:11.000And he was like, this shit was everywhere.
02:11:13.000He unfortunately had a stroke and then wound up dying.
02:11:17.000In the world of marijuana, he's certainly a hero, risked his neck like way, way early on and, you know, stood by his beliefs and got caught a lot of shit for his book, but also got a lot of love for how he stood for, you know, a guy opening up his mind and changing his mind.
02:11:35.000He was a staunch Republican, started smoking pot and became like this crazy pot advocate.
02:11:41.000And his next thing was about mushrooms.
02:11:45.000There's a lot of stuff out there that you can read.
02:11:48.000There's a lot of good articles online where people have shown there's ancient images of Adam and Eve from a fresco in France from like a long fucking time ago.
02:11:58.000See if you can see that Adam and Eve mushroom fresco.
02:12:03.000Just like you were saying, Sean, you're like, how do we know some of that Bible wasn't people writing stories on mushrooms?
02:13:26.000Mushrooms were involved in the creation of Christianity, possibly, but it's also evidence that artists do drugs.
02:13:32.000If you're a fucking guy who's a painter back then, maybe you're doing mushrooms all the time and you want to put the mushrooms in everything.
02:13:41.000Especially if he's doing mushrooms and nobody else even knows what they are.
02:13:45.000He's like, listen to this motherfucker.
02:13:46.000But I gotta think that everybody knew about him back then, and they probably shared him with people that they cared about, because if you lived in a world with, just think of it this way, you lived in a world with no media, you have no books, you have no science, you have stories, you have a crude language, you write things down, you draw things, there's no TV shows, there's no cars, there's no nothing, there's no history.
02:14:12.000You have a history of talking about shit.
02:14:14.000Wouldn't you think if you found mushrooms, if your life sucked that much ass, like this is the world you're living in, there's barbarians everywhere and you get fucking step on a thorn and you get poison in your body and you die because no one has antibiotics, you get an infection from a cut, you're dead.
02:14:53.000They probably went, like, big gaps, where mushrooms weren't a part of culture anymore, and then people tried to reintroduce them, but culture had already gone in this weird, sort of violent, chimp, alcohol, amphetamines way.
02:15:10.000Yeah, it's not like we're making something up.
02:15:12.000Like, this is some Alice in Wonderland book where there's some medicine that says, drink me, and if we drink, we're going to go on this journey.
02:15:25.000When you talk about people that were living back in that day and how tough it was, you wonder if they had just, like, as much happiness as we have.
02:15:33.000If they're more positive thinking or what?
02:15:40.000This guy that wrote this book, Jesse Itzler, this book that's in front of you, Living with a Seal, he also wrote a book, Living with Monks, and he was just here, and he just was talking about it.
02:15:51.000It was really fucking interesting shit, man.
02:16:39.000Anybody out there that's listening is doing what they want.
02:16:42.000Whether you're making furniture or painting pictures or singing songs, whatever the fuck you're doing, if that's what you really want to do, man, you're happy.
02:16:50.000Yeah, even if you're not making a fortune.
02:17:27.000And it's easier for this newer day and age to look on the internet and learn things on the internet and see people on the internet doing it and be like, oh, they're doing it and I'm not doing it.
02:17:34.000In our parents' generation, they didn't have that.
02:19:01.000To me, my number one, for sure, the most fortunate thing is the people that I'm friends with and that I love, my family and people I'm close to.
02:19:10.000I'm close to a bunch of really positive people.
02:19:51.000Even though I'm very thankful that I got that job, it doesn't feel the same way as it Would if I was, say, doing a podcast or doing stand-up or just doing whatever I want to do.
02:20:01.000I don't have to do something just because it's my job.
02:20:07.000Instead, I do it because I actually like to do it.
02:20:09.000You don't have to watch your P's and Q's all the time because you're in the corporate world.
02:20:31.000I'm going to try to police myself as best as I can, but it's just so much better than having to pee somebody.
02:20:37.000It gives you a chance to get better at your own shit.
02:20:41.000Whatever you're doing, if you can work for yourself or figure out a way to do the thing that you really want to do, it gives you a chance to get better at the thing that interests you, the thing that's fascinating to you.
02:22:54.000And that's the reason he feels so fucking prepared and can focus on our techniques and can focus on that instead of focusing on, oh, am I gonna gas?
02:23:07.000Yeah, I was listening to someone talk about that the other day.
02:23:11.000I wish I could remember who was having this conversation.
02:23:14.000It might have been my friend John Dudley, but he was talking about how when people aren't prepared for things, that it gives you like another layer of insecurity on top of the insecurity of doing something that's difficult in the first place.
02:23:28.000So if you know that you're not, like, maybe you're good at it, but you're just lazy, and you didn't really practice, and then you're going to go and try and do something, but you know these other people have practiced much harder than you have, that layer is, even if you're a talented person, that's like, that has an effect on your actions.
02:23:43.000And if you've done everything you can do, you've dotted all your I's and crossed all your T's, if you've done that, you'll have a different level of confidence.
02:24:14.000You could say well, well, I'm gonna get my shit together now, but the problem is you've already gone through the experience of not giving a hundred percent which is very precarious because it could be a confidence destroyer could fuck your head up for the rest of your life It could change who you are because it's very difficult for people to overcome the past Like ideas that they have about themselves from a year ago or five years ago, that is not you.
02:24:35.000You have to, especially in something as critical as like fight skills and learning how to become confident again, that's not you.
02:24:48.000Don't dwell on bad moments where you got flattened or you fucked up or you did something stupid or you got caught in an arm bar.
02:24:56.000Whatever the fuck it is, those things, they can get in your head and you can decide you're that person or you can decide, no, I've passed that now.
02:25:07.000I'm thankful that happened because that taught me a super valuable lesson and without that humiliation and that defeat or that Misstep or you know, whatever that error was, I wouldn't know who I really am right now.
02:25:18.000Yeah, it's like classic sports psychology stuff and you can't just read it once and be like, okay, I get that.
02:25:24.000You gotta fucking just rep it in your head, rep it in your head.
02:25:27.000And I think I truly think in a fistfight, the number one thing is confidence.
02:25:31.000And I know that confidence comes from training.
02:25:33.000You know, it also helps to have that fucking Rumble Johnson power, son.
02:27:44.000I mean, look, but I really believe that all those tough training camps and tough fights and, you know, those battles, that after a while, he just didn't want to do it anymore.
02:28:01.000I think there's something admirable about that, about him saying, even though he's on top of the heap, you know, just lost the title, right?
02:28:31.000But then he tried to make 170. He did make 170 many times.
02:28:35.000He used to fight at 170. He fought on tough at 170. At that high level too, when there's so much on the line, you get a fight 10 weeks out.
02:28:42.000Okay, now every single day my thoughts are filled with what's gonna happen in that fight.
02:28:47.000For 10 fucking weeks and it's exhausting knowing that I might make this much money or I might make double that much.
02:29:10.000Yeah, if it was one thing, like if it was a rock-solid decision process where we did it all in a computer and everyone agreed and everyone voted online.
02:29:23.000Because it might cost you $50,000 if someone has a terrible idea of whether or not you want to fight or not.
02:29:30.000And sometimes they're close, and sometimes they're subjective, and sometimes there's things that you might be looking for that you might think isn't good enough to score.
02:29:38.000Maybe you think the defense is just as important because even though he took them down, he didn't do anything, and the guy on the bottom was always working off of his back.
02:29:44.000Or you're a boxer, I'm a jiu-jitsu guy.
02:30:46.000We're used to this stupid old boxing system.
02:30:49.000You know, that system sucks a fat dick.
02:30:52.000They need to have a gang of people judging fights.
02:30:55.000There should be way more than three and they should be super educated in terms of like high level understanding of submission holds, striking.
02:31:03.000They should be able to demonstrate it.
02:31:22.000What if a guy gets you really close to a triangle and he's got you trapped in there, you try to slam him, he tightens it up more, there's a battle and you're going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and finally you get out.
02:31:32.000Do you get more credit because you took him down than he gets for almost strangling you?
02:32:19.000So if we decided to do that and give that to someone who calls it home, who wants to not just watch fights, but is also an expert and would love the idea of making $100 or whatever the fuck they pay you, have this camera propped over their head, have online contributors.
02:33:32.000That's how it is when a lot of these people just literally don't have any idea what's happening.
02:33:37.000I have a friend who is a judge who told me while a fight was going on, this is many years ago, while a fight was going on, this guy's working for a Kimura, and this lady who's a judge goes, What is he doing?
02:35:05.000These guys are UFC fighters in their town.
02:35:07.000Everyone respects them and treats them nice.
02:35:09.000And then all of a sudden, you're in this place where two guys are talking shit to you, and you're fighting one, and he's laughing at you in this.
02:35:14.000And they're like, oh, fuck, I'm not used to this.
02:35:44.000You're definitely a fast learner, man.
02:35:47.000It's interesting how you have a style of moving and throwing kicks that I would have assumed that you had a long background in some sort of traditional martial art, like karate or Taekwondo or something.
02:36:01.000Because the way you're throwing kicks, I was like, this guy...
02:36:03.000But I guess that's also a lot of your emulation of Conor, right?
02:36:09.000Yeah, I was kind of doing that before I saw Connor.
02:37:13.000You said too many people are missing the weight and they're trying to gain the system and they're trying to cut more because they know they have more time to recover.
02:37:50.000He's not a huge 135er, so we don't have to eat to get huge, like George said, or eat to really diet down.
02:37:56.000We can eat to where he just performs the best and just stay there and then maybe have to cut eight pounds.
02:38:02.000Eat normal the whole week, drink normal the whole week, and then go in there feeling 100%.
02:38:07.000It's an unnecessary aspect, and I think one of the things that would be a solution is give guys more options of what weight to actually fight at.
02:38:16.000When there's these big giant gaps between weight classes, it forces people in a lot of ways to cut weight.
02:38:22.000Because maybe they're too small for 185, but they can make 170. So fuck it, I'll just make 170. Because I know how big X guy is, or Y guy is.
02:38:30.000Because, you know, some of those 85ers, man, you're around them, you're like, holy shit.
02:39:23.000Dude he was here in that shirt in that seat and he was wearing this tight shirt with like a gold cross and shit and you know it's skin tight and you look at him like in between fights he's not trying to make 185 he's well over 200 pounds.
02:40:22.000He says you gotta keep your mouth shut and move around and, you know, watch what you say and don't piss anybody off because they all want to leave and they can't leave and you can leave and come back and leave and come back.
02:47:11.000Well, what is that drug that makes it, like, imagine an itch that's so hard to not scratch that you're willing to shoot the drugs into the hole where the bone is.
02:47:27.000And a lot of it's weird, like, they were saying in this podcast, from zero to three, you learn more than you'll ever learn in your whole life.
02:48:12.000Especially if kids grow up around violence, violence in the house, violence in their community, especially even if their mom was going through violence while they're in the womb.
02:48:23.000That's a giant factor in the way you connect the dots and the way you interact with people.
02:48:28.000I was on a plane once headed to Australia and Michael Irvin was on the plane just by random you know it's long-ass flights like 14 hours so me and him got to talking super good dude like real nice guy I mean phenomenal football player but just like you would never know it talking to him just super super down-to-earth but he was talking about work he does with kids with kids that and trying to sort of illuminate to people What happens to someone who grows up in a terrible community
02:48:58.000where they experience a lot of violence in the neighborhood, or their family experiences violence, or the mother does while the boy's in the womb, that this programs literally their behavior patterns.
02:49:10.000Yeah, and they come out of the gate with a faster fuse, a shorter fuse, more inclinations towards violence, different hormone rates, their body reacts to stress differently, they're quicker to snap, they're quicker to make impulsive, violent judgments and beat people up and shit.
02:49:28.000Like a lot of the people that are in these situations, like what you're dealing with is like a programming from the time they're in the womb, and it's very difficult to correct.
02:50:13.000Because he's on edge all the fucking time.
02:50:15.000Are we supposed to treat him the same way we're going to treat Chad, who grows up in the country club and wears IZOD shirts and his parents are both on Xanax and everybody's cool and the maid raised him?
02:50:45.000The worst problems are people that come out of horrible situations in their life when they're young and then go on to do violence and terrible things when they get older.
02:51:02.000Let's figure out a way to get you all paths to success and get you to figure out like coaching and life coaching and education and counseling and community and you're wanted and loved and everyone's together and you have a stake in this game just as much as everybody else.
02:51:20.000And then have this with kids when they're young.
02:51:22.000You'll develop phenomenal human beings instead of people that are likely to grow up and, you know, engage in the kind of patterns that they saw all their life.
02:51:32.000Yeah, I think, like, our school system, like, we're not taught how to use our brains.
02:51:37.000We're not taught how to deal with certain emotions when they arise.
02:51:40.000We're just taught, you know, math, science, all that stuff.
02:51:42.000I think the school system, we need to implement more teaching us how to meditate, how to control our thoughts.
02:52:05.000Things that you're just never going to be able to control, like where you're born, like who your parents are, what part of the world do you live on?
02:52:12.000I mean, we're all lucky as shit, even the poorest of us, to be here in America, where you could be in a shit neighborhood and manage to get out and become at least a financial success.
02:52:24.000There's places where that's just not possible, you know?
02:52:27.000How lucky are we that we're not living in fucking Singapore, where they could just pull you over and just lock you in a cage for a year because you like to smoke plants?
02:53:09.000I look at them like they used to be a baby.
02:53:12.000That started to happen almost immediately after I had a kid.
02:53:15.000Like, I never used to think about it that way.
02:53:17.000If I saw some dude and he was fucking like 70 years old yelling at people, fuck you, get off my lawn, or whatever, you know, I'd be like, look at that old dickhead.
02:53:32.000There was a baby that just went through life and then got to the point where it's this old man who just, you know, everybody could ride that fucking mechanical bull for a second or two.
02:55:27.000So Francis Ngannou spoke out about it after he knocked out Alistair Overeem.
02:55:31.000It's one of the things that he wanted to talk about.
02:55:33.000When he knew he was gonna be fighting for the title you see basically, you know in his He's not the best at English.
02:55:39.000He's still learning it But he was like, you know, I just want to say fuck slavery like this.
02:55:42.000This is crazy that this is happening today in 2018 they have slavery in Libya They had they were ship people would cell phone camera footage of the slave auctions going on and Damn, dude.
02:57:12.000And until you fix that, you're going to make criminals and angry people and people that are dysfunctional and people that are lashing out because they experienced violence and no love their entire life.
02:57:48.000They would have to go on an all-out campaign to reinvigorate horrible neighborhoods.
02:57:55.000They would have to use government money to fix these houses and fix these neighborhoods and make it safer with more police force, make community centers where people can go and be safe, set it up so they can do activities there that they would like.
02:58:12.000You know, there's got to be ways that you can invigorate these places and somehow or another figure out a way to get work for a lot of these people.
02:59:18.000Yeah, and then how about the fact collectively we all need to look at the fact that there's Mexico's right next to us and the only reason why they have such violent crimes because we like drugs and we keep those drugs illegal So bad guys sell drugs like it's the fucking stupidest shit ever It's like you don't you know it everybody knows it this isn't I'm not a smart guy like if I know it I'm not I'm no genius if I know the solution I You don't think the people in the highest levels of government know the solution?
02:59:46.000But, dude, you're a lot smarter than you think.
02:59:48.000Because think of the people you talk to every day.
02:59:53.000You've got a lot of knowledge that people have never gotten before.
02:59:55.000Yeah, but see, there's a difference between knowledge that you just sort of remember things that people have told you, which I got some of that, and actually having an education in it.
03:00:05.000Like, if people ask me about martial arts, I can understand almost...
03:00:09.000Everything you want to talk about with martial arts, with the exception of some judo and some wrestling.
03:00:14.000You know, some judo and some wrestling, I would want to talk to an expert and want to make sure that I got my positions and my understanding of what is the best thing to do.
03:00:22.000But everything else, I'm an expert in.
03:00:24.000Just like Michael Pollan said, though, how long on sleep?
03:00:53.000Dude, if you could see how my fucking brain actually functions, like how I write material and why I need to constantly keep moving, you'd be like, oh, you're just crazy.
03:01:07.000I think I need to be, and I think we all need to be, and I think it's one of our main problems as people, and I've been absolutely guilty of this in the past, is that we cling to an idea as if it's our identity.
03:01:55.000If people were less willing to do that, it's like there's some people, they say something, and they stick with it, and then they'll fuck it.
03:02:03.000This is why it was so weird that Donald Trump was trying to say that the Eagles never stood for the Super Bowl, that they were kneeling, and that enough of them didn't want to come, so I'm canceling this party.
03:03:48.000I know what you're supposed to eat and not supposed to eat.
03:03:50.000Some nutritionists, though, even some at the UFCPI, they'll be like, well, not this one, but a certain nutritionist went to school for it, got all their degrees, and they're like, yeah, you can have mac and cheese for lunch, and then we'll have some Vans waffles to get you started.
03:05:07.000When she has an idea about something, it's based on studies, she can cite those studies to you literally at the drop of a hat, and she'll tell you what's going on, like, why is this good with that, and why does this help that, and why does this hurt that?
03:06:01.000But the real experts, man, their knowledge is constantly growing.
03:06:07.000This is the thing about Rhonda that's so fantastic.
03:06:10.000She's on top of all of these peer-reviewed papers and new studies and All these things that are going on and things that are in the process of going on.
03:08:37.000There's a lot of hope in all this pioneering stem cell shit and exosomes and all these different things that they're working on to try to regenerate neurotissue.
03:12:01.000Because at the top level, when you watch a Mr. Olympia or something like that, and you see eight dudes standing on stage flexing, does one of them stand out to you at all?
03:12:59.000Yeah, well, getting on the back, the problem with that is he will be able to stand up and he's gonna throw his body backwards and try to land on you.
03:20:01.000Yeah, he fought two times that night, strangled two people, smashed them, and he was basically a wrestler who knew a few submission holds, who had dumped some boxing in the army, you know, and nobody knew anything back then.
03:21:26.000And this is the era where Vitor is coming up.
03:21:29.000So Vitor gets to like 240 pounds and fights Randy, and Randy survives the opening barrage, really doesn't even get hit with much, and just starts to slowly chip away at Vitor until he gets him up against Cage, beats him up, and gets him down and smashes him.
03:21:50.000It was a really important fight in MMA because it was a fight where you have a narrative that you think is playing out and then a lesson gets taught to everybody.
03:23:18.000But it's just an era of so much turmoil and, you know, you want to talk about a guy who had more potential than probably anybody I've ever seen fight.
03:25:15.000But if he decided to cut weight and just go on some crazy diet and cut out all the bullshit and drain all the fat What do you think he would weigh?
03:25:26.000I think he could make 185. Easily 185, dude.