The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #31 with Daniel Straus & Joe Schilling

00:00:01.000 Here we go in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Boom!

00:00:06.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Schilling and Daniel Strauss in the fucking house.

00:00:11.000 What up?

00:00:12.000 Joe Schilling's just fucking up my kick machine out there, man.

00:00:15.000 That thing ain't reading right, dude.

00:00:16.000 I mean, I hope not.

00:00:17.000 It really hurt my ego out there.

00:00:18.000 You are lighting that fucker on fire.

00:00:20.000 That thing is not...

00:00:21.000 We gotta get that recalibrated.

00:00:23.000 Joe's in here complaining about a sciatic pain in his hip and still outkicked me.

00:00:27.000 I'm like, what is going on out here?

00:00:29.000 I'm all sweaty.

00:00:30.000 Forget about sciatic pain, Daniel Strauss.

00:00:32.000 You've gone through some fucking pain, dude.

00:00:34.000 You are defying science and doctors.

00:00:38.000 They were telling you it was over.

00:00:40.000 Tell everybody the whole story.

00:00:43.000 Bring this sucker up here.

00:00:44.000 How the story goes, I was out one night.

00:00:46.000 A buddy of mine was having trouble.

00:00:48.000 I needed somebody to go out with him.

00:00:50.000 I was around the city that night, and after taking him home, we were leaving the highway.

00:00:58.000 As it split off, I was coming around.

00:01:00.000 You on a bike?

00:01:02.000 Yeah, I was on a bike.

00:01:03.000 And I had a passenger.

00:01:04.000 So, what was called 826 is the highway.

00:01:07.000 As it splits off to 95, I was going around 826. Now, here's the tricky part.

00:01:14.000 Don't really remember what's going on from there.

00:01:16.000 Right.

00:01:16.000 So, what me and the passenger remember We were hit from either the side or from the back.

00:01:24.000 But coming around the bend, boom, coming around, got pushed into the wall.

00:01:27.000 I woke up under the guardrail, can't move.

00:01:31.000 You know, nobody else is there.

00:01:33.000 The car is gone.

00:01:34.000 There was not really a witness there until, like, later pulling up behind us.

00:01:39.000 So, yeah, it fucked me up for a while.

00:01:41.000 I mean, it fucked me up right now.

00:01:43.000 But, you know, getting back to just what it is.

00:01:46.000 The body's healing and...

00:01:48.000 So what was the extent of your injuries?

00:01:50.000 Alright, so I had In my C4, 5, and 6 I had contusions on my spinal cord and half on the left side of my spinal cord it was pressure so bad that it like shut down my whole nervous system, like all my body.

00:02:09.000 So up in my neck and in my middle of my back was just compressed a lot of the swelling and that's what caused a lot of the, you know, not being able to walk, not being able to feel The nervous problems, nervous system that I have, or the nervous issues that I have.

00:02:26.000 What did they do to fix it?

00:02:27.000 I've been rehabbing.

00:02:29.000 They wanted to do surgery right away.

00:02:31.000 How many months ago was this?

00:02:33.000 This was in December.

00:02:33.000 This was December 17th.

00:02:37.000 They wanted to do surgery immediately.

00:02:42.000 And I'm trying to tell them, no, I'm trying to fight again, blah, blah, blah.

00:02:46.000 What kind of surgery?

00:02:47.000 Fusing it?

00:02:48.000 That's what they wanted to do.

00:02:49.000 They wanted to go in and take the...

00:02:52.000 I want to say the 3 to the 5 or 4 to the 6 or something fused that all together which obviously there's no rain and it's a big spot so I wasn't trying to have that.

00:03:06.000 We looked for a couple rehab places and eventually got hooked up with a place called Neurofit 360. So I've been rehabbing there since the accident and I mean, it's been going great.

00:03:17.000 Where is that?

00:03:17.000 Where's Neurofit 360?

00:03:18.000 It's in Pembroke Pines, Florida, close to Miami.

00:03:21.000 Great crew.

00:03:22.000 But yeah, they've been getting me back in the game.

00:03:25.000 I've been, I was doing that extensively every day for like two days a week, two hours, or a couple hours a day, you know, two, three times a day.

00:03:33.000 What kind of shit did they do for your neck?

00:03:35.000 For me, first we had to start with the fine motor stuff.

00:03:44.000 Touching, feeling.

00:03:45.000 I had problems with my sensitivities.

00:03:48.000 So you wake up under the guard rail.

00:03:50.000 You guys don't remember what happened.

00:03:52.000 When you wake up in the hospital, What did they tell you before they got to all this stuff?

00:03:56.000 They were like, could you walk?

00:03:57.000 Could you feel?

00:03:58.000 How were you when you woke up?

00:04:00.000 For me, when I woke up...

00:04:02.000 Boom.

00:04:03.000 Yeah, so back to the story.

00:04:05.000 When I woke up...

00:04:06.000 When I woke up...

00:04:07.000 Just trying to help.

00:04:10.000 So I woke up and, you know, I had my helmet on, but I couldn't move my legs.

00:04:17.000 My passenger had one over top.

00:04:19.000 She had her hands, so she wasn't like extremely, but she had one out too.

00:04:23.000 So I couldn't really feel nothing, couldn't see nothing.

00:04:25.000 I was just telling her to get my helmet off, get my helmet off.

00:04:28.000 Finally, a truck had pulled up and seen that we were in an accident and what they shouldn't do, but pulled me out.

00:04:36.000 And, yeah, because I was, you know...

00:04:39.000 You're not supposed to touch anybody.

00:04:40.000 Hey, get me out of here, get me out of here.

00:04:42.000 Right.

00:04:43.000 You know, I was freaking out.

00:04:44.000 They pulled me out from under it and, you know...

00:04:48.000 Going to the hospital, the whole scary part was knowing nothing was broke but not being able to feel nothing.

00:04:55.000 Trying to wipe my face or trying to grab something.

00:04:58.000 You just couldn't move your arm at all?

00:05:00.000 In my head, I moved my leg, I moved my arm.

00:05:03.000 Nothing's going on.

00:05:05.000 So you're thinking you're paralyzed?

00:05:06.000 I'm gone.

00:05:07.000 It's a wrap.

00:05:07.000 Like Paul Williams?

00:05:08.000 Yeah.

00:05:09.000 I'm just like, yeah.

00:05:11.000 So I get to the hospital.

00:05:14.000 Finally, you know, they're trying to work on me.

00:05:17.000 And I've seen the doctors.

00:05:18.000 He's telling me, well, you know, because of my neck, it's unlikely that I'll be, you know, walking anytime soon.

00:05:25.000 You know, a couple of days, a couple of weeks go after that.

00:05:28.000 You know, just banging out.

00:05:29.000 And in the meantime, I'm trying to explain to him, I'm an athlete.

00:05:33.000 I know you see this.

00:05:34.000 I've been through this, you know, type of incident before.

00:05:37.000 You know, I grew up wrestling.

00:05:38.000 I'm from Cincinnati.

00:05:39.000 Grew up wrestling.

00:05:40.000 So I've had neck problems for, fuck, my whole life.

00:05:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:05:45.000 And so I'm trying to explain to him, like, you know...

00:05:48.000 Chill out.

00:05:49.000 Just give me some time.

00:05:50.000 Let me work something out.

00:05:52.000 I don't want to do the surgery right now.

00:05:53.000 I really want to...

00:05:54.000 They wanted you to do it in the hospital right after the accident.

00:05:56.000 Right then and there.

00:05:57.000 There's no other choice.

00:05:59.000 You're never going to walk again.

00:06:00.000 Do you want to go back to them right now and go, hey, motherfucker, look who's walking around.

00:06:03.000 You already know.

00:06:04.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:05.000 And it's been like that majority times in my career where I've done something, something's happened.

00:06:09.000 Oh, you're not going to be able to do this.

00:06:10.000 You got me fucked up.

00:06:11.000 Bro, he was hitting pads with me at the gym yesterday.

00:06:14.000 The guy's been sparring.

00:06:15.000 This happened in fucking December.

00:06:16.000 It's insane.

00:06:17.000 It's just insane.

00:06:18.000 Well, it just makes me sick that they always want to cut you immediately when it comes to those things.

00:06:22.000 Any kind of bulging disc issue, they want to get in there.

00:06:25.000 And it's hurtful to us because I understand they got a job to do, but Do your job right.

00:06:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:33.000 They have one method.

00:06:34.000 The one method is surgery.

00:06:36.000 Cutting.

00:06:38.000 But yeah, like I said, I was rehabbing at NeroFit 360, which is a great physical therapy place down there in Pembroke Primes.

00:06:47.000 And, you know, I've been getting back with, you know, they had me strengthen my neck with just small exercises.

00:06:53.000 Like I said, I started with fine motor stuff.

00:06:55.000 Well, I had to work on a lot of balance stuff, you know.

00:06:59.000 You ever fuck with that iron neck thing?

00:07:01.000 You ever used that thing yet?

00:07:02.000 No, I have not used that.

00:07:04.000 I got one out here.

00:07:04.000 Try it.

00:07:05.000 If you want to mess around with it.

00:07:06.000 It's fantastic.

00:07:07.000 That thing's fantastic.

00:07:08.000 Love it too.

00:07:09.000 So, you're six months out now.

00:07:13.000 Six months out.

00:07:14.000 When did you start walking again?

00:07:16.000 It took me, like, even now, I'm still, like, trying to get the form right, but it took me about three months.

00:07:25.000 So you, like, relearned how to tie your shoe, right?

00:07:27.000 Well, you learned how to tie your shoe.

00:07:29.000 Yeah, my hand, my motor, like, my hand wasn't moving as right.

00:07:33.000 It wasn't working as good.

00:07:35.000 It's just everything slowed down for me because of my spinal cord.

00:07:39.000 Wow.

00:07:40.000 You know, that is the most, for me, was the scariest part because I was everything so unsure.

00:07:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:46.000 And the most recent MRI, when did you get a, have you gotten one?

00:07:50.000 Got one about a month and a half ago.

00:07:52.000 And what does that look good?

00:07:53.000 It looks good.

00:07:54.000 All the swellings went down.

00:07:56.000 Um...

00:07:57.000 The left side is clear.

00:07:59.000 The only way I can explain it, there's two lines, white lines, and it gets blocked, you know what I'm saying?

00:08:05.000 That's where the fluid's coming down.

00:08:06.000 My left side of my, on the fluid, was being blocked, so now I'm having a clear line of fluid going down my spinal cord.

00:08:14.000 So now it's just about healing?

00:08:15.000 Yeah, which, you know, I've been working, and that's the part to overcome, you know, the healing part, the neurological part and the nerves and all that part that goes with it.

00:08:25.000 It's the body that can only, there's not too much that I, you know, can do to heal this other than, you know, eating right, all the simple shit, but it's the body that's healing.

00:08:35.000 But it's crazy that you're sparring.

00:08:37.000 Yeah, I do a lot of things I shouldn't do.

00:08:40.000 Now you're sparring with friends, so you know that everything's going to be cool?

00:08:43.000 I mean, good training partners.

00:08:45.000 I was sparring down at Henry Hooves.

00:08:48.000 Okay.

00:08:49.000 H Kickboxing was training down there.

00:08:51.000 So, you know, I live for a lot of those.

00:08:53.000 So, you know, that's, you know, working out with those guys, you know, no one's out there to hurt me or try to get me hurt or injured.

00:09:00.000 Everyone's had a lot of respect.

00:09:02.000 They're happy you're back.

00:09:03.000 Yeah, love seeing me back.

00:09:04.000 So, I've never been in a situation where I'm trying to go super hard.

00:09:08.000 Not yet, but I'd love to.

00:09:09.000 Anybody who wants one, you can get it.

00:09:12.000 Let me know.

00:09:13.000 We can get it.

00:09:14.000 So when you're hitting the bag or hitting pads, you feel like you have full strength?

00:09:19.000 No.

00:09:20.000 And that's the thing that I'm excited about.

00:09:23.000 I'm a broken toy that is dying to be fixed.

00:09:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:26.000 Because I'm a brand new...

00:09:28.000 I can be fixed in any way.

00:09:30.000 I'm...

00:09:31.000 Re-learning everything.

00:09:33.000 It's not like I can't box.

00:09:34.000 It's not like I can't wrestle, but it's now just re-learning the mechanics of it.

00:09:40.000 Your brain knows how to do it, but your body's got to re-learn it.

00:09:44.000 Exactly.

00:09:44.000 Wow.

00:09:44.000 And it's like the nerve stuff is on the right side of your body, right?

00:09:49.000 Right.

00:09:49.000 It's like the muscle memory coming back.

00:09:51.000 Even yesterday when I was holding pads from his jab was a little weak and his lifting of his foot or whatever the thing we were trying to do.

00:09:58.000 As we were doing it, once he felt the right way to do it, then he could repeat it.

00:10:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:03.000 Yeah.

00:10:03.000 I think that's a lot to do with it.

00:10:06.000 And it's big for me, man.

00:10:07.000 I really want to be back in the cage by the end of this year.

00:10:12.000 Really?

00:10:12.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:13.000 I want to be fighting by the end of this year.

00:10:15.000 And it's not impossible.

00:10:16.000 Well, you got a great attitude, man.

00:10:18.000 This idea that you love it, that you're a broken toy, and you're going to rebuild it and fix it.

00:10:21.000 It's exciting.

00:10:22.000 For sure.

00:10:23.000 It gives you an opportunity to kind of start again.

00:10:26.000 I mean, that's been my whole life.

00:10:29.000 My whole life.

00:10:30.000 So I'm just there again at this point in my career.

00:10:34.000 Unfortunately, this had to happen for me to turn the corner and get focused in another way.

00:10:39.000 But, you know, it's just what it has to be.

00:10:41.000 But it's so exciting that you have this attitude.

00:10:45.000 That's the cool thing about it.

00:10:46.000 It's like you're not woe is me.

00:10:48.000 You're like, hey, I'm gonna rebuild.

00:10:50.000 Let me get right back in there.

00:10:52.000 Yeah, man.

00:10:52.000 I mean...

00:10:53.000 You must be so excited that you could just do everything again.

00:10:57.000 Yeah, you know what I mean?

00:10:58.000 Like, first was finding out what worked.

00:11:01.000 Had to make sure the dick worked first.

00:11:03.000 And I was like, alright, we cool.

00:11:05.000 Walking comes next.

00:11:07.000 Walking comes next.

00:11:09.000 I can always fuck off my back.

00:11:12.000 So, you know, yeah, just making sure I can do shit.

00:11:16.000 Being able to live.

00:11:17.000 And, you know, the first couple months was just...

00:11:22.000 Brutal, you know, not being able to wipe my ass, not being able to eat.

00:11:26.000 And did it slowly start to come back?

00:11:28.000 It did.

00:11:29.000 Where you got like some motion?

00:11:30.000 It did.

00:11:31.000 Well, and I've had a lot of, I think it's stenosis.

00:11:36.000 Spinal stenosis, yeah, from wrestling?

00:11:38.000 For years, you know what I mean?

00:11:39.000 Of course.

00:11:40.000 Do you do any decompression?

00:11:42.000 I do, a little bit here and there.

00:11:44.000 Whenever I can get to the chiropractors, I'm doing some.

00:11:48.000 Like I said, it's been bad for years.

00:11:50.000 Have you seen that thing that you hook up to your neck and you hang it from a doorway?

00:11:54.000 Yeah, I don't like those.

00:11:55.000 And you just kind of stretch it?

00:11:55.000 No?

00:11:56.000 I don't like those.

00:11:56.000 I do the same thing with a rolled-up towel or hanging from the doorway.

00:12:00.000 It helps mine tremendously.

00:12:01.000 But I get mine, I'm sure, from fighting, but then also I'll lay on my back at night and watch me.

00:12:06.000 Will you fight?

00:12:08.000 For like two weeks, my neck will be all fucked up.

00:12:10.000 That shit's terrible for you.

00:12:11.000 I know.

00:12:11.000 Isn't it crazy?

00:12:12.000 You're a professional fighter.

00:12:13.000 You fuck up your back watching YouTube videos.

00:12:15.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:12:16.000 For sure.

00:12:17.000 But everyone's doing it, man.

00:12:18.000 That's all we do is just sit down.

00:12:19.000 I know.

00:12:20.000 The whole world is doing this.

00:12:22.000 I mean, people's necks are changing.

00:12:24.000 Yeah, it's terrible.

00:12:26.000 If it wasn't for like, you know, being the awareness that I have now for like my neck and neck injuries just...

00:12:31.000 Seeing a lot of things, I'm like trying to posture up and just seeing shit because I'm just, I'm always like this.

00:12:38.000 Always hurting.

00:12:39.000 Always hurting.

00:12:40.000 So, you know, it's been one thing after another for years and that's actually leading into this, you know, this accident or this injury.

00:12:50.000 Try to keep his mic closer like this.

00:12:52.000 My bad.

00:12:53.000 I'm mobile too, y'all.

00:12:55.000 How old are you now, Daniel?

00:12:57.000 I am 33. I'll be 34. I'm at that age where you forget how old you are.

00:13:04.000 I'll be 34 in July.

00:13:06.000 Well, you're healthy and, you know, the ability to recuperate from something that's that devastating that quickly shows what good a shape you're in.

00:13:15.000 That must have a big impact on your rehab process, right?

00:13:19.000 It does.

00:13:19.000 I mean, a regular person that has that kind of injury probably is not going to bounce back like that.

00:13:24.000 Not as quickly.

00:13:25.000 I mean, like I said, being an athlete has helped me tremendously.

00:13:29.000 I mean, with my neck being obviously as strong as it was, the damage would have been worse.

00:13:35.000 But being able to bounce backwards, being young, being able to...

00:13:41.000 I put my body through so much that this is, yeah, compared to what it's been through.

00:13:46.000 So, yeah, being young has definitely helped me.

00:13:49.000 And I'm trying to keep that time away.

00:13:53.000 But, you know...

00:13:54.000 So how will you know when you can get back in there?

00:13:56.000 Are you wrestling yet?

00:13:57.000 Yeah, I'm wrestling, doing everything.

00:13:59.000 You're wrestling?

00:13:59.000 I'm wrestling.

00:14:00.000 Full clip?

00:14:01.000 I've wrestled, yeah.

00:14:02.000 Wow.

00:14:03.000 Are you not nervous about getting your neck yanked on?

00:14:06.000 Eh, I was nervous before, you know what I mean?

00:14:08.000 But now I'm just getting confident with getting my neck strong, making sure I don't do the stupid moves I've been doing to cause the injuries.

00:14:17.000 My next step is just being clear, being seen by a doctor, a neurologist, Yes, he can fight.

00:14:24.000 Sign off.

00:14:26.000 Let's get back to business.

00:14:27.000 And how's Bellator treating all this?

00:14:29.000 Great, man.

00:14:30.000 I can't say anything negative about him because they've always done nothing but help me out in situations.

00:14:36.000 You know, I've been with them for some time, you know.

00:14:40.000 Two-time world champion.

00:14:41.000 Two-time world champ.

00:14:42.000 If y'all motherfuckers didn't know.

00:14:44.000 If you don't know, now you know.

00:14:47.000 Yeah, they've always been fair to me.

00:14:54.000 That's great.

00:14:55.000 Obviously, you've always had problems here and there, but I've never really had any major issues.

00:14:59.000 I love Scott Coker.

00:15:00.000 I do, too.

00:15:01.000 He's a good dude.

00:15:02.000 It's always been good to me.

00:15:03.000 It's always been really good.

00:15:03.000 I hear nothing but good things, too, about Bellator and how they treat people.

00:15:07.000 Like, guys who have gone over there said it's just a huge relief.

00:15:10.000 They get treated with respect.

00:15:12.000 You know, they're a little nervous about going over there.

00:15:14.000 Right, right.

00:15:15.000 You know, a lot of people always ask me, hey, what do you want?

00:15:17.000 I'm like, eh, this is home for me.

00:15:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:20.000 Man, ideal for everybody would be Bellator gets to the same state as the UFC, the same level.

00:15:26.000 That would be ideal.

00:15:27.000 That would help.

00:15:29.000 If you see Gennady Golovkin fighting Canelo Alvarez, you don't give a fuck if it's Golden Boy versus Bob Aron.

00:15:34.000 Nobody gives a shit.

00:15:36.000 They want to see two world champions go after it.

00:15:38.000 That's what everybody wants to see.

00:15:40.000 Ultimately, that's what I would like to see across the board.

00:15:43.000 I don't think it harms anybody.

00:15:45.000 I think it helps everybody.

00:15:47.000 Competition is definitely good.

00:15:48.000 It's better for everybody.

00:15:50.000 It's better for the athletes for sure.

00:15:51.000 And the more money that gets thrown around.

00:15:55.000 If a superstar emerges from Bellator that's at the same level that Ronda was or Connor is or something like that.

00:16:01.000 It would be amazing.

00:16:01.000 That's great for everybody.

00:16:02.000 For everybody.

00:16:03.000 And, you know, there's a possibility there, too.

00:16:05.000 I mean, Michael Venom Page, he's getting a lot of mainstream press.

00:16:09.000 People are paying attention to him now because of all the crazy shit he does in there.

00:16:12.000 We need more of that.

00:16:13.000 I thought he actually had retired from MMA. Because he boxed for a while?

00:16:17.000 I thought he, like, retired from MMA, boxed or something, nothing.

00:16:20.000 You know what, man?

00:16:21.000 A dude like that probably would retire and un-retire just for the press.

00:16:26.000 It just seems to be the thing.

00:16:27.000 It happens a lot.

00:16:30.000 Speaking of retiring and un-retiring, Joe Schillen, back to MMA! Yeah!

00:16:34.000 I know you competed in the High Rollers event this weekend, which, by the way, Eddie Bravo told me he was so high he thought he was going to jail.

00:16:39.000 He told me, he goes, I was convinced I was going to jail.

00:16:42.000 He goes, I'm so paranoid!

00:16:44.000 It was such a cool event.

00:16:45.000 It really was.

00:16:46.000 Explain the event for people who don't know what the fuck we're talking about.

00:16:48.000 So it was an event put on by Matt Stout and Big Lon on my buddies.

00:16:55.000 They're called the High Rollers.

00:16:56.000 And it's a cannabis-infused jiu-jitsu tournament is what they call that, you know?

00:17:01.000 What are those two dudes that slapped each other, and then they smoked a joint together and chilled out?

00:17:06.000 Yeah, they got heated or something in between, and then they stepped out with a joint.

00:17:08.000 I mean, it was good.

00:17:09.000 Before every match, everybody smoked.

00:17:11.000 They kind of smoked together, and the whole event was a cannabis thing.

00:17:14.000 There was no alcohol.

00:17:15.000 The vibe was super chill.

00:17:17.000 They played hip-hop in the background.

00:17:19.000 Wow.

00:17:20.000 It was kind of a star-studded event.

00:17:22.000 It was really fucking cool.

00:17:23.000 It was by far the coolest martial arts event I've ever been to.

00:17:27.000 It was dope.

00:17:28.000 Shout out to that DJ, man.

00:17:29.000 He did like eight hours straight with playing the same song like only twice, played it twice.

00:17:35.000 That motherfucker was dope.

00:17:36.000 Really?

00:17:37.000 DJ Bonnix.

00:17:38.000 Was it?

00:17:39.000 DJ Bonnix, yeah.

00:17:40.000 It's a weird connection, marijuana, with jiu-jitsu.

00:17:43.000 And it's always been there.

00:17:45.000 And people that don't know, like people that don't smoke weed, I have to tell them that, look at it, here's Jeff Glover and his opponent smoking weed.

00:17:51.000 It's Georgie Kurgessian.

00:17:55.000 It's hilarious, man.

00:17:57.000 It's really, really fun that they're doing that, man, but I like it.

00:18:00.000 Yeah, it was a real cool event.

00:18:01.000 It was real cool.

00:18:02.000 Jiu-Jitsu and weed have always been connected.

00:18:05.000 For as long as I've been doing Jiu-Jitsu, people smoked pot in the parking lot and then went in and rolled.

00:18:11.000 They still do.

00:18:14.000 Kickboxing, apparently, is the same way.

00:18:16.000 Is it?

00:18:16.000 Yeah.

00:18:17.000 It's how you practice.

00:18:18.000 It's how you get focused.

00:18:19.000 Yeah.

00:18:21.000 I always found that I'm not good at learning when I'm high, or maybe I get too high, and I can't learn.

00:18:26.000 Like, someone will show me something, and I'm not sure where to put my legs.

00:18:29.000 Like, what do I do?

00:18:30.000 Step over here?

00:18:31.000 Where to put my right foot?

00:18:32.000 What?

00:18:32.000 Yeah, I find that a little bit.

00:18:34.000 But when I'm rolling, if I'm rolling high, then you just get into that zone, and you flow.

00:18:39.000 I almost feel like it's like programming.

00:18:41.000 You know, like when they say, like...

00:18:44.000 When you study for a test, you're sucking on peppermint, and the day of the test, you suck on peppermint.

00:18:50.000 You're supposed to help you remember.

00:18:51.000 Have you heard that before?

00:18:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:52.000 I feel like that's kind of how it is with martial arts, for me anyway.

00:18:56.000 I'm high as fuck, and I'm kind of just programming into my deep subconscious or whatever.

00:19:02.000 Yeah.

00:19:03.000 That's my thought, maybe.

00:19:05.000 You think smoking all the time when you train, and then not smoking when you perform, do you think that has a positive or negative effect?

00:19:15.000 I don't know.

00:19:16.000 Well, let me ask you this.

00:19:18.000 If Bellator said, we're not testing for weed, you could fight high as fuck, what would you do?

00:19:23.000 I'd smoke that day.

00:19:25.000 I wouldn't smoke probably 10 minutes before.

00:19:27.000 I've got a lot of shit going on in my head.

00:19:29.000 You know, this is cool.

00:19:30.000 This is cool on the high rollers event, but like...

00:19:33.000 Yeah, it's different for a fight.

00:19:34.000 There's a lot of money on the line for a fight, yeah.

00:19:36.000 Well, it's also, you know, the consequences are a lot different.

00:19:39.000 You know, zigging and zagging.

00:19:41.000 Right.

00:19:42.000 A lot different when kicks and punches are being thrown.

00:19:45.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:19:46.000 For sure.

00:19:47.000 Well, remember when Nick fought Gomi?

00:19:50.000 Nick fought Gomi.

00:19:52.000 Well, I mean, I know Nick, and if you asked him that question, he'd be like, oh, I'd be smoking right there.

00:19:56.000 He would for sure smoke.

00:19:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:58.000 100%.

00:19:58.000 Yeah.

00:19:59.000 I bet he would fight better.

00:20:01.000 Probably.

00:20:01.000 Yeah.

00:20:01.000 I'm not a fan of it.

00:20:02.000 You're not a fan of fighting high?

00:20:04.000 No.

00:20:04.000 No?

00:20:04.000 No.

00:20:04.000 I fought once high.

00:20:06.000 What happened?

00:20:07.000 Well, for one, I went through the crowd instead of the walkway to the cage.

00:20:14.000 That's when I knew I fucked up.

00:20:18.000 Well, how did you do it?

00:20:19.000 Which way?

00:20:20.000 Like, you're supposed to come out at shark fights.

00:20:23.000 Okay.

00:20:24.000 And you come out and then you go at an L-shape.

00:20:27.000 And go straight to the cage.

00:20:29.000 I came out.

00:20:30.000 The ushers always fucked that shit up, though.

00:20:32.000 That's happened like every time.

00:20:33.000 You try to walk out the cage the wrong way.

00:20:35.000 Like, no, no, go the other way.

00:20:37.000 So I came out, just crowd sitting there, just beeline straight to the crowd.

00:20:42.000 Excuse me, excuse me.

00:20:43.000 Stepping over people.

00:20:44.000 That's hilarious.

00:20:45.000 Got to the cage, like stepped over the fence, checked me out.

00:20:49.000 I remember Shark Fights.

00:20:50.000 That was Bud Brutzman's thing, right?

00:20:53.000 Yeah, some guy.

00:20:54.000 He's a buddy mod.

00:20:55.000 Bullshit.

00:20:55.000 Yeah, he was one of the original guys that owned King of the Cage.

00:20:58.000 Was it?

00:20:59.000 Yeah, and then he got involved in Shark Fights.

00:21:01.000 Yeah.

00:21:02.000 Did they have something to do with, like, shine fights as well?

00:21:05.000 I don't know.

00:21:06.000 Maybe.

00:21:07.000 There's a few people involved.

00:21:08.000 It was a good card that I was on.

00:21:10.000 It had Georgie Pardelli, had Shokajil on it.

00:21:15.000 Fuck.

00:21:16.000 It was a bunch of people on it.

00:21:18.000 So what was it like fighting high?

00:21:21.000 Well, for me, at the time, that was my biggest event.

00:21:24.000 And I was fighting Karen Darbaridian.

00:21:27.000 So it was the biggest name I had fought.

00:21:30.000 To me, it was like, ah, fuck.

00:21:33.000 You know what I mean?

00:21:33.000 I just was kind of overwhelmed.

00:21:36.000 I wasn't at jiu-jitsu.

00:21:37.000 I didn't know much about jiu-jitsu.

00:21:39.000 Actually, that whole fight was weird because on Monday, I separated my arm or separated my shoulder.

00:21:44.000 Wednesday, they called me for the fight.

00:21:46.000 Saturday, I fought.

00:21:48.000 You just thought, I guess I'll get high for this.

00:21:50.000 Right.

00:21:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:21:51.000 When you said you separated your shoulder, like what?

00:21:53.000 Like separation.

00:21:54.000 Like a separated shoulder.

00:21:56.000 Like a torn muscle?

00:21:57.000 No, no, no.

00:21:58.000 Yeah.

00:21:59.000 Up in the...

00:22:00.000 I don't know what the fuck you asked me for.

00:22:02.000 Did it heal up?

00:22:03.000 Yeah.

00:22:03.000 Well, we got it bandaged up.

00:22:06.000 Got it working.

00:22:07.000 Fought with it.

00:22:08.000 You fought with a bandage on it?

00:22:09.000 No, no.

00:22:09.000 Didn't fight with a bandage on it.

00:22:12.000 The next two days, kind of healed on it, ice it, worked on it as much as I can.

00:22:16.000 Went out there.

00:22:17.000 I was in Texas.

00:22:19.000 Fought.

00:22:21.000 For me, it was weird.

00:22:23.000 How'd the fight go?

00:22:24.000 One, decision.

00:22:26.000 Like I said, first round, he threw a bunch of leg locks.

00:22:29.000 Yeah, he's a serious leg lock, dude.

00:22:32.000 That's what I was saying.

00:22:33.000 High leg locks.

00:22:35.000 Don't know what's going on.

00:22:36.000 I'm like, I just want to get out of here.

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:40.000 So, yeah, it was a bad thing for me.

00:22:43.000 So, one and done for fighting high.

00:22:45.000 Yeah, one and done.

00:22:45.000 I was like, yeah, I'm cool in this.

00:22:46.000 Have you ever fought high?

00:22:49.000 I mean, I'm sure I fought and spar high all the time.

00:22:53.000 Yeah, I fought high.

00:22:56.000 What's your feeling about that?

00:22:57.000 I think it like well for this jiu-jitsu tournament, you know jiu-jitsu is not my strong suit obviously and so for me that was my first jiu-jitsu tournament and We just put on the gi like about a month ago when Matt told me about the things like I should do it Mickey call I trained with every day and Him and Bamba and we like all right fuck it.

00:23:16.000 We'll do it.

00:23:17.000 So we start putting on the gi and I didn't want to make a fool of myself.

00:23:21.000 So being high and having that pressure, not being completely comfortable, I think was different.

00:23:25.000 But in a kickboxing fight, I could probably be drunk and still be pretty comfortable with what I'm doing.

00:23:33.000 It's me up next.

00:23:35.000 Yeah, there's a lot of people that think that, and I'm one of them, that think that marijuana is a performance-enhancing drug.

00:23:40.000 I definitely think so.

00:23:41.000 On certain levels.

00:23:43.000 Yeah, on certain levels.

00:23:43.000 I think it could fuck you up.

00:23:45.000 But if you get the dose right, I think it puts you in a zone, you know, a comfortable zone.

00:23:51.000 Right, and I think a lot of, I mean, for performance, like, what's going to increase your performance is not being super stressed out over bullshit the week of.

00:23:58.000 That's where I find the most benefit.

00:24:00.000 Like, when I would quit smoking weed...

00:24:02.000 For a couple days before the fight, that was when it's like, now is when I need it the most.

00:24:05.000 Now is when I'm most stressed out.

00:24:07.000 That's when I have the most anxiety, when I have the hungriest.

00:24:10.000 I was like, this sucks!

00:24:11.000 If I can just play and just relax, I think that helps.

00:24:14.000 Hey man, are you doing any cryotherapy or anything to reduce swelling?

00:24:18.000 Like I said, I was doing a little bit with the chiropractor that I was going to, but I haven't done much of it.

00:24:28.000 But that's one thing I really wanted to get into because of the swelling.

00:24:32.000 Like I said, a lot of it went down over the time, but body milk feels amazing after the crowd.

00:24:38.000 Yeah, dude, I'm a big fan.

00:24:40.000 And you're doing super doses of CBD, though, too.

00:24:43.000 Yeah, a lot of CBD. Is that some of that in that bag you gave me?

00:24:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:48.000 Check that out.

00:24:49.000 That's some Flavorex stuff.

00:24:51.000 There's a Can't Stop Crazy shirt in there, too?

00:24:53.000 There's quite a few, can't stop, crazy shows.

00:24:55.000 I text you this morning, I'm like, is he a medium or a large or an extra large?

00:24:59.000 No, Joe's a freaking joke.

00:25:00.000 I'm like, what are you saying?

00:25:02.000 Fuck.

00:25:05.000 I put larges in there.

00:25:06.000 Perfect.

00:25:07.000 Perfect.

00:25:09.000 Let's drink for you, Joe.

00:25:11.000 It's a company called Flav.

00:25:13.000 It's a CBD company I've been working with.

00:25:15.000 Oh, is it a CBD pen?

00:25:17.000 Yeah, that's like medicated drops.

00:25:19.000 It gives you a certain dose every time you click it.

00:25:22.000 Oh.

00:25:24.000 I've been using...

00:25:25.000 You ever heard of that company, Jambo?

00:25:27.000 I have.

00:25:28.000 They just sent me some CBD rub-on.

00:25:31.000 Holy shit.

00:25:32.000 Does that work for you?

00:25:32.000 Fuck yeah.

00:25:33.000 2,000 mg CBD rub-on.

00:25:35.000 I told you the sciatic pain's been fucking with me over the last week or so.

00:25:38.000 And I rub it on my hip.

00:25:40.000 It's like my ass muscle right over...

00:25:43.000 Right here, that's where it travels down.

00:25:45.000 And I rub that shit on before I go to bed.

00:25:47.000 Because Flav has these...

00:25:49.000 They have medicated patches you can use.

00:25:51.000 They have roll-ons that you can use.

00:25:52.000 They have that salve stuff.

00:25:54.000 How does this work?

00:25:55.000 I just feel like I smoke so much weed with CBD in it all the time that it doesn't seem to work for me.

00:26:00.000 I don't notice it, you know?

00:26:01.000 And then they have these droppers.

00:26:03.000 I use that like crazy.

00:26:04.000 Yeah, maybe you just got too much of a tolerance.

00:26:07.000 Well, I just think if you smoke weed constantly, there's CBD in everything.

00:26:11.000 You're hitting both.

00:26:12.000 So when my coach, who's like 65 and never smokes weed, and I put that shit on him, he's like, oh my god, my elbow feels crazy.

00:26:20.000 Me, I'm just like, eh.

00:26:21.000 I'll get you some of that Jumbo shit.

00:26:23.000 It's better than anything I've ever used before.

00:26:24.000 Yeah, they have two versions.

00:26:26.000 They have a thousand milligram and two thousand milligram.

00:26:27.000 And I put that two thousand milligram on them and it's got like menthol in it so you feel it like in your skin like whoo!

00:26:33.000 It heats up.

00:26:34.000 Only time I've really ever feeling that is like Using it on my neck.

00:26:38.000 And I've used it on my hand too.

00:26:41.000 The achiness goes away, but on my neck is where I felt it the most.

00:26:47.000 Up in the pain.

00:26:48.000 There's CBD vaporizers in there.

00:26:51.000 There's CBD bath bomb.

00:26:53.000 We used that before on my buddy's fight.

00:26:55.000 The day of the fight, we dropped it in the hot tub.

00:26:59.000 CBD bomb.

00:27:01.000 There are some fucking monsters out there that are trying to make this illegal.

00:27:04.000 It is crazy.

00:27:05.000 Oh my god.

00:27:05.000 Pharmaceutical assholes.

00:27:07.000 Fuck those guys.

00:27:08.000 It's so scary that someone would do that.

00:27:10.000 They would try to spend money to try to make this stuff illegal.

00:27:14.000 And while they're doing that, they legalize the fucking GMO synthetic version, which is actually killing people.

00:27:19.000 Seriously, fuck those people.

00:27:21.000 Or fentanyl.

00:27:22.000 That shit's killing everybody.

00:27:23.000 That shit killed Prince.

00:27:25.000 It killed David Bowie.

00:27:27.000 It killed...

00:27:28.000 Who the fuck else did it kill?

00:27:29.000 It killed...

00:27:31.000 It killed a bunch of people this year.

00:27:33.000 Oh, Tom Petty.

00:27:34.000 Killed Tom Petty, too.

00:27:36.000 Did he kill David Bowie or did he make that up?

00:27:38.000 Something killed David Bowie.

00:27:40.000 Who knows?

00:27:42.000 What's the ball?

00:27:43.000 What's this?

00:27:43.000 Oh, so that's a CBD bath bomb.

00:27:46.000 Dang.

00:27:46.000 You just drop that in the chin.

00:27:48.000 It's fucking good.

00:27:48.000 They're not fucking around, you stoners.

00:27:50.000 That shit's legit.

00:27:51.000 They don't fuck around.

00:27:53.000 That's the only time I really feel like a rub-on effect from CBD is like I'll soak in one of those.

00:27:58.000 Never did the bath bomb yet.

00:28:00.000 It's good.

00:28:00.000 Yeah.

00:28:02.000 And it's fun to watch.

00:28:03.000 You drop it in and it's all good.

00:28:05.000 I got a lot of shit in here.

00:28:08.000 I brought you some stuff, Joe.

00:28:09.000 Beautiful.

00:28:10.000 Thank you.

00:28:10.000 You got some good little, you know, chewies and edibles and stuff.

00:28:13.000 CBD candy.

00:28:14.000 Yeah.

00:28:15.000 Good stuff.

00:28:17.000 Exciting.

00:28:18.000 Librex got it all.

00:28:19.000 And this is awesome.

00:28:20.000 I take this on my international flights, allegedly.

00:28:24.000 Is it illegal?

00:28:26.000 I mean, it's illegal, but when you put the vape pen into it, it looks like a car key.

00:28:33.000 So you can fold it in, nightclubs, whatever you want.

00:28:35.000 I just walk right into the security.

00:28:38.000 Oh, that's crazy.

00:28:39.000 And this pops up?

00:28:40.000 So you screw the caps on from this?

00:28:44.000 You put it in there?

00:28:45.000 Damn, look at this.

00:28:48.000 Look at these.

00:28:49.000 This candy chew jazz.

00:28:52.000 So good.

00:28:52.000 So my complaint about the candy thing is if they're going to have like...

00:28:57.000 Those are CBD, but they have the THC ones too.

00:29:00.000 If you're going to have THC, like super potent candy, they shouldn't taste so fucking good because they'll eat the whole bag.

00:29:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:07.000 Like who's going to eat just one?

00:29:08.000 That's very good.

00:29:10.000 That's watermelon.

00:29:11.000 I've said I've made like two or three bags at once.

00:29:15.000 Yeah, this is watermelon belts.

00:29:18.000 It's like a belt.

00:29:18.000 Super low key.

00:29:20.000 Dude, that's the shit.

00:29:22.000 This is the shit.

00:29:23.000 Look at this thing.

00:29:24.000 I love it.

00:29:26.000 And then I think it has like, there's three different settings of heat of how you, I don't know, I just burn it.

00:29:33.000 These kids today.

00:29:34.000 Oh, you gotta turn it on five times.

00:29:35.000 Click it five times.

00:29:36.000 One, two, three, four, five.

00:29:40.000 There it goes.

00:29:40.000 Boom.

00:29:41.000 Nope.

00:29:48.000 Give me that.

00:29:49.000 Maybe that's the heat up.

00:29:51.000 Okay.

00:29:53.000 Get it working, Joe.

00:29:54.000 Fucking it up here, Joe.

00:29:55.000 You got it?

00:29:56.000 You got it.

00:29:56.000 You got it going.

00:29:57.000 Maybe it had to heat up.

00:29:58.000 There it goes.

00:29:59.000 There it goes.

00:30:01.000 Burn it.

00:30:02.000 How is Bellator's drug testing policy?

00:30:05.000 You know what?

00:30:06.000 Standard, I think.

00:30:07.000 You know, we don't have like the additional, you saw the random test, but I get tested before or after every fight.

00:30:14.000 I've been tested most of my fights.

00:30:15.000 I know that.

00:30:16.000 Yeah.

00:30:18.000 And I've had people talk shit like, oh, they don't test.

00:30:21.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:30:23.000 They test after fights, but obviously there's a big difference between that.

00:30:26.000 And hey, it's four weeks out.

00:30:27.000 Wake up at 6.30 in the morning.

00:30:29.000 What have you been up to, Daniel?

00:30:30.000 Here, piss in this cup.

00:30:31.000 Look at that.

00:30:31.000 It's terrible.

00:30:31.000 It's crazy.

00:30:33.000 I mean, they have lost a lot of people off the roster in the UFC. The really crazy thing is the body's changing.

00:30:39.000 People you weren't sure, you know, everybody passed the test when they were doing it on the weigh-in day, but then you're looking at their bodies changing like, whoa!

00:30:47.000 So many of them just shriveled up and they just look totally different.

00:30:50.000 Their performances are different, their mindset's different.

00:30:53.000 Or guys that were just unstoppable and you saw they came in and out.

00:30:56.000 It's like you're on like a six-fight losing streak.

00:30:58.000 Crazy!

00:30:59.000 Drop two weight classes, can't get a win.

00:31:01.000 Anybody who says their steroids doesn't work, they're crazy!

00:31:04.000 You're out of your fucking mind!

00:31:05.000 They're not taking it for fun!

00:31:08.000 You know, they're not going all the way down to Tijuana and buying this shit because it's fun.

00:31:12.000 Something good to do.

00:31:13.000 Something good to do on the weekend.

00:31:15.000 So do you feel like you got a new lease on life?

00:31:19.000 I do, man.

00:31:20.000 Right now I'm just grinding.

00:31:23.000 Like, I'm fully focused on getting back into the cage.

00:31:27.000 Like, you know, having what happened to me and being in the position that I'm in, I don't really have too many things to go back to.

00:31:35.000 So, you know, having a new lease on life really isn't how I would say it is.

00:31:39.000 It's just what it is.

00:31:41.000 I'm just focused on the next step.

00:31:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:45.000 The next step in my career, the next step in...

00:31:47.000 You know, the path and what I've been going through.

00:31:50.000 You know, it's always just something for me.

00:31:52.000 So, you know, I wouldn't say it's a new lease of life, but just a new chapter.

00:31:56.000 But you must feel very fortunate that you can recover from this.

00:31:59.000 I do.

00:32:00.000 It's an amazing story.

00:32:02.000 I mean, I love hearing shit like that.

00:32:03.000 Thank you.

00:32:04.000 It just sucks.

00:32:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:06.000 It sucks to be in this position, but I'm here.

00:32:09.000 I'm talking to you.

00:32:10.000 Talking to this guy.

00:32:11.000 You know, walking around.

00:32:13.000 So, I'm blessed more than anything, but...

00:32:17.000 This has just fired me up to just get shit going.

00:32:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:21.000 You gotta feel pretty fucking unstoppable after that.

00:32:24.000 Go flying through the air, slam into a guardrail.

00:32:26.000 Two time world champion before this shit and you come back, what's gonna stop you?

00:32:30.000 That's the goal.

00:32:31.000 Get another belt, get back, get another belt, show people I'm not finished.

00:32:34.000 You're not done.

00:32:35.000 I'm not done at all.

00:32:39.000 I'm even still riding.

00:32:41.000 Are you really?

00:32:42.000 You fucking savage.

00:32:44.000 Jesus Christ.

00:32:45.000 Just hit 176 the other day.

00:32:47.000 Dude, I'd be in a H1, the real one, a real Hummer.

00:32:50.000 I'd be in one of those bitches, and I'd ride in the middle of it.

00:32:53.000 I'd figure out a way to put the steering wheel in the middle.

00:32:58.000 I don't want to be on either side and strap me in with a race harness and put fucking airbags everywhere.

00:33:03.000 I want this thing to be like an inflatable bath toy.

00:33:07.000 But I'm an adrenaline junkie, so I'd love to do anything.

00:33:12.000 You know, I shouldn't be riding, obviously.

00:33:16.000 You know, I need something to steady my mind.

00:33:18.000 So, like I said, training's been going, something I got back into, riding something I got back into.

00:33:24.000 And it's pushing me to, like, move forward with everything.

00:33:27.000 How long was it before you rode again?

00:33:29.000 Oh, man.

00:33:30.000 I probably started riding again.

00:33:34.000 Maybe about a month and a half ago.

00:33:35.000 What?

00:33:37.000 About a month ago.

00:33:38.000 Oh, a month ago.

00:33:38.000 Okay, not a month in.

00:33:39.000 So five months after the injury.

00:33:41.000 Yeah, probably about a month ago.

00:33:42.000 If you did it a month after the injury, you're like, this dude is fucking crazy.

00:33:45.000 He can barely walk.

00:33:47.000 Nah, that's some shit I would try, though.

00:33:50.000 I mean, I would definitely try, but...

00:33:51.000 What do you think makes you such an adrenaline junkie?

00:33:54.000 I don't know.

00:33:54.000 Even right before all my fights, like, it's just been that way.

00:33:59.000 Like, I would always ride a lot before my fights because I had to release, you know, all the adrenaline, all the pent-up, like...

00:34:06.000 Anxiety.

00:34:06.000 Anxiety going on.

00:34:08.000 And that's just how I've always been.

00:34:09.000 You know, I've always...

00:34:11.000 Wanted to see what was it like to kill yourself?

00:34:14.000 You know, what was it like to...

00:34:15.000 Not in that way.

00:34:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:19.000 Like, adrenaline-wise, what was it like to do something fun, exciting, and push the limit?

00:34:24.000 Get on the edge.

00:34:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:25.000 Yeah, that sounds very different.

00:34:26.000 I didn't mean it like that.

00:34:28.000 There's so many fighters that are like that.

00:34:29.000 I mean, Diego Corrales, he died in a motorcycle accident, right?

00:34:32.000 Paul Williams, you know, he got fucked up.

00:34:34.000 There's so many fighters that have gotten into motorcycles for that very reason.

00:34:39.000 But it's not just motorcycles.

00:34:41.000 I mean, I'm into all types of shit.

00:34:43.000 Like what else?

00:34:44.000 I mean, I love diving.

00:34:47.000 Water is one of my favorite things.

00:34:48.000 The ocean is one of my favorite things to do.

00:34:50.000 You know, I've never been in any situation where I'm about to die or anything.

00:34:55.000 You know, I want to do skydiving.

00:34:57.000 I want to do, you know, rock climbing.

00:34:58.000 I want to do all these things.

00:34:59.000 Not me.

00:35:00.000 Joe Schillen's on my page.

00:35:02.000 Me and Joe are on the same page.

00:35:03.000 Fuck all that.

00:35:05.000 I don't even like roller coasters until you drag me on it the first time.

00:35:09.000 Then I'm like, we're going again!

00:35:10.000 Until that point, I'm like, no, fuck that.

00:35:13.000 Do you ride bikes?

00:35:14.000 A little bit, but when I'm down at the ranch with Cowboy, I'll ride with him, but they make fun of me because I'll go like 60. Once I hit like 60, then it starts to get, I'm like, I don't know.

00:35:23.000 I know this would be cool.

00:35:25.000 Cowboy's a perfect example.

00:35:26.000 Cowboy will be fucking going down the highway 90 with his hat off, resizing his hat with no hands, 90 down the highway.

00:35:35.000 He's a fucking nut.

00:35:37.000 Or snapping pictures of us while he's riding.

00:35:39.000 Oh, Jesus, I don't want to hear this.

00:35:41.000 He's in that, for sure.

00:35:43.000 I love that dude.

00:35:44.000 I don't want him to get hurt.

00:35:45.000 I don't want to hear that.

00:35:46.000 Yeah.

00:35:47.000 Fuck.

00:35:47.000 He's good at it, I guess.

00:35:48.000 Oh, yeah, I'm sure he is.

00:35:50.000 He's good at fighting, too, but it's fucking dangerous.

00:35:52.000 Just, like, you should dot your I's.

00:35:54.000 For sure.

00:35:55.000 Cross your T's.

00:35:56.000 For sure.

00:35:56.000 You're going 90 on the highway.

00:35:57.000 Fuck that.

00:35:59.000 Yeah, he's a perfect example of a legit adrenaline junkie.

00:36:02.000 Oh, 100%.

00:36:03.000 Yeah.

00:36:04.000 100%.

00:36:05.000 100%.

00:36:05.000 I guess just some people, once...

00:36:08.000 I guess fighting is a big part of it.

00:36:10.000 Like, once you've experienced the highs of fighting, I guess the lows of regular life are just too fucking boring.

00:36:16.000 Is that what it is?

00:36:17.000 Man, I imagine that.

00:36:18.000 I feel like you would get...

00:36:19.000 I would definitely...

00:36:20.000 I mean, I haven't thought about retiring, but when I stop fighting, I think that'll really bother me.

00:36:25.000 Right, you'll need something.

00:36:27.000 It's like not having that, like...

00:36:27.000 Because I'm addicted to, like...

00:36:29.000 Not the adrenaline side of it, but the challenge.

00:36:31.000 You can't do this.

00:36:33.000 Me versus the world.

00:36:34.000 That really gets me going.

00:36:36.000 I think if I didn't have that when I'm old, I'd be pretty pissed off.

00:36:40.000 You versus the world.

00:36:41.000 How so?

00:36:44.000 Me, man versus man.

00:36:46.000 One on one.

00:36:47.000 No other.

00:36:49.000 You're the only one that you can count on in that scenario, I guess.

00:36:53.000 But that personal challenge is what drives me and fuels me.

00:36:56.000 And that's why I think in my career, the fights that I wasn't supposed to win were always the ones that I really showed up for because that hit me.

00:37:07.000 If I was supposed to win, everyone thought I was going to win.

00:37:10.000 On some level, I would...

00:37:13.000 Not show up the same way.

00:37:14.000 Very common.

00:37:15.000 That's very common.

00:37:16.000 A lot of guys, when they think it's going to be an easy fight, they can't get up.

00:37:19.000 They just have this weird...

00:37:21.000 And it's weird because your coaches won't let you not train the way.

00:37:25.000 You train hard for the fight.

00:37:27.000 But you're not nervous.

00:37:28.000 Something about that thing in your head doesn't click.

00:37:32.000 You don't go after it the same way.

00:37:35.000 Yeah, it's like the thing that everybody hates the most about before a fight, that discomfort and anxiety and just, fuck, why am I doing this?

00:37:42.000 Fuck.

00:37:43.000 That is what is your friend when you're in there.

00:37:45.000 Yeah.

00:37:46.000 To an extent.

00:37:48.000 Or that's what fucking drowns you at the same time.

00:37:51.000 Could be, right?

00:37:51.000 That's what people, like, fucking...

00:37:53.000 Their whole camp is perfect, and as soon as they walk out in front of that crowd, their coach is like, who the fuck is this guy?

00:37:58.000 What the fuck's going on?

00:37:59.000 But that's always that kind of person.

00:38:03.000 A guy like you doesn't have that.

00:38:05.000 That's not a thing that you experience.

00:38:09.000 The type of people that crumble are usually the guys who are just murderers in the gym and then for whatever reason under the bright lights they falter.

00:38:18.000 But they rarely rise.

00:38:20.000 Those guys rarely win the big fights that they're not supposed to win.

00:38:24.000 They're not the same psychological makeup.

00:38:27.000 Something about the challenge or the unknown to some people, it just overwhelms them.

00:38:32.000 Whereas other people, whatever their psychological makeup is, that challenge is what fires them up and gets them excited.

00:38:38.000 Yeah.

00:38:39.000 Yeah.

00:38:40.000 It's weird, right?

00:38:41.000 I think the consistency is the hard part and longevity for the fighters in general in their career.

00:38:45.000 That's what makes Floyd Medweather so impressive to me is for him to be at the top of the game for so long and can make all the money and continue to be at the top of the game and still do that.

00:38:56.000 Yeah.

00:38:57.000 Versus the guys that blow up and then...

00:39:02.000 Jon Jones has trouble, they don't know how to deal with the fame.

00:39:04.000 Fucking Conner throwing shit through bus windows.

00:39:07.000 It's hard to stay balanced and consistent through that whole thing.

00:39:09.000 I think for me, one of my biggest things has been the mental part of fighting.

00:39:16.000 Getting to the top, being pushed back down, getting to the top.

00:39:21.000 Dealing with that as a fighter has put a lot of stress on every time that I got into the cage.

00:39:27.000 How I thought, or how I acted, or how I performed.

00:39:31.000 You did some work with Vinny Shorman, right?

00:39:33.000 Yep.

00:39:34.000 How did that help?

00:39:35.000 Vinny helped me a lot.

00:39:37.000 I worked with Vinny for, I think, three years.

00:39:40.000 Two or three years.

00:39:41.000 And I find that...

00:39:42.000 Tell everybody, Vinny Shorman's a hypnotist who's been on the show a couple times, three times.

00:39:47.000 Actually, I was the one that told you about Vinny.

00:39:48.000 That's right.

00:39:49.000 Oh, shit.

00:39:50.000 Someone wants credit?

00:39:51.000 I made you Vinny.

00:39:55.000 He hypnotized me.

00:39:56.000 It was a trip.

00:39:56.000 I was like, wow, this is real.

00:39:58.000 It really worked for me.

00:39:59.000 And then I find that...

00:40:01.000 As I've grown, just like any technique, you get better at it.

00:40:05.000 It needs time to resonate inside of you.

00:40:08.000 I haven't worked with him in over a year, and I'm still figuring out, like, oh, that was the fuck he was talking about.

00:40:16.000 It starts to sink in.

00:40:18.000 I think the mental game is a huge asset.

00:40:23.000 Do you ever work with a sports psychologist or a hypnotist or anything like that?

00:40:27.000 I haven't.

00:40:27.000 I mean, I've worked a little bit with a guy named Will back in Florida.

00:40:30.000 This was some years ago, but something I've always wanted to double in, something I've wanted to explore.

00:40:35.000 I haven't really got the chance to do a lot of things, but that's one thing I've always, like I said, the mental part has been key to me, so I've always wanted to do that.

00:40:44.000 It might be a good thing to help you during your recovery, too.

00:40:47.000 You know, to just really concentrate on recovery and really concentrate on the parts of your body that need to be fixed.

00:40:53.000 Yeah.

00:40:54.000 I mean, I really need to reach out to the right people to get the right help as far as people to talk to, as far as hypnotists and stuff like that.

00:41:07.000 I don't really know anybody like that.

00:41:09.000 Vinny Shorman to the rescue.

00:41:10.000 Send out the bat phone.

00:41:12.000 Vinny will holler at you.

00:41:13.000 Yeah, he's probably listening.

00:41:14.000 He'll do it over Skype, too.

00:41:16.000 You do it over, you know, you do fucking FaceTime.

00:41:19.000 He used to hypnotize me over FaceTime all the time.

00:41:23.000 And then on fight day, he would call me and we'd be backstage.

00:41:29.000 He'll be back in the States in October.

00:41:32.000 Yeah?

00:41:32.000 Yeah.

00:41:34.000 I'll look it up.

00:41:34.000 I'll make the connection.

00:41:36.000 I would definitely look into it.

00:41:37.000 I would definitely like...

00:41:38.000 But you've been using the lion's mane mushrooms too, right?

00:41:41.000 Yeah.

00:41:42.000 I saw them on...

00:41:43.000 Paul Stamets?

00:41:44.000 Yeah.

00:41:44.000 I sent him that video and I started talking to him about it.

00:41:47.000 When I found out about what happened to him, you know, it was like...

00:41:51.000 I'm sure not as bad as what he was going through, but like we just...

00:41:54.000 Oh, I don't think he's going to walk again.

00:41:56.000 Oh, Daniel was in a horrible accident.

00:41:58.000 And then every time I talked to him, he would just be like real...

00:42:00.000 Like, nah, fuck them.

00:42:01.000 It's going to happen.

00:42:02.000 Nah, fuck them.

00:42:03.000 And...

00:42:04.000 I'm like, alright, you need to take this lion's mane mushroom.

00:42:06.000 You need some of these cordyceps mushrooms.

00:42:08.000 Take all the flavor XCBD that you can get.

00:42:10.000 I'm gonna send you some other mushrooms.

00:42:12.000 It's good for your brain.

00:42:13.000 You'll be cool.

00:42:14.000 And look at them.

00:42:16.000 Look what I did.

00:42:16.000 Look, it's all Joe.

00:42:17.000 Look what I did.

00:42:18.000 All Joe.

00:42:19.000 It is crazy, though, seeing you walking around and hearing that you're sparring and hitting the bag and hitting pads.

00:42:24.000 Yeah, I mean, all these things put together is just what's getting me back.

00:42:30.000 Nothing's impossible.

00:42:31.000 I mean I can prove that you know nothing's impossible and shit you know doing them like you said eating the lion's mane and the different uh cbds i've been taking and just getting my body back to like feeling good mentally feeling good just everything's working like in steps so little steps at a time basically yeah it's day by day so would you say like 80 percent now I'll give you 75. 75's good.

00:42:58.000 75 means you can get to 100. Yeah, you know, like I'm running, you know what I'm saying?

00:43:03.000 That was one of my big goals, was like, in six months I want to be running.

00:43:07.000 Nice.

00:43:07.000 Set a goal, start a running, boom.

00:43:09.000 From a guy who couldn't walk.

00:43:11.000 Exactly, so...

00:43:13.000 That's awesome.

00:43:15.000 It's...

00:43:15.000 I don't know, it gets me in the...

00:43:18.000 Every time I think about it, the reason why I stop is because every time I have to talk about it, I get in the mental...

00:43:24.000 The thought of it and the process from going, laying in the bed, not being able to feel shit, to dragging your foot after you're walking with a walker, to being able to pull up your pants now.

00:43:38.000 It's crazy.

00:43:39.000 It is fucking crazy.

00:43:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:42.000 And it just keeps me humble enough to just talk about the situation and love life.

00:43:52.000 That's a beautiful story, man.

00:43:53.000 I love hearing things like that, people recovering from things.

00:43:56.000 It just makes you appreciate the fact that you are all healthy.

00:44:00.000 Every time anything goes wrong in your life, it's an opportunity to appreciate what it's like when things go right.

00:44:07.000 And if you can get back to where you were, you'll have a new perspective.

00:44:10.000 I do.

00:44:10.000 For sure.

00:44:11.000 Always, for sure.

00:44:12.000 Are you fucking with that Lion's Mane stuff too?

00:44:14.000 Yeah.

00:44:15.000 How often do you take it?

00:44:17.000 I was taking it every day.

00:44:18.000 I made a bunch of capsules with lion's mane and cordyceps.

00:44:23.000 You made the capsules yourself?

00:44:24.000 Yeah.

00:44:24.000 You can buy it on Amazon, a little capsule machine, make a hundred capsules.

00:44:30.000 Nice, nice.

00:44:30.000 Got my own little concoction there.

00:44:32.000 Nice.

00:44:34.000 When I saw on your show, Paul Stimitz was talking about how the, I think it was CTE, you guys were talking about how the lion's mane helps I don't know if it repairs it or if it just helps it find a way around blockages or whatever.

00:44:51.000 It regenerates neural tissue.

00:44:52.000 Neural tissue.

00:44:53.000 And I was like, dang, I hit him up with it right away.

00:44:57.000 That lion's mane stuff is miraculous.

00:44:59.000 It's amazing that more people don't know about it and that more people aren't talking about it, but anybody that's involved in contact sports, any athlete that's getting hit and they're getting their cage rattled a lot, they should be taking that stuff all the time.

00:45:12.000 Yeah.

00:45:13.000 And CBD as well, right?

00:45:15.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:45:16.000 I mean, I just look at it like the business that we're in is really dangerous.

00:45:18.000 And like if you know that there's something that, you know, guys get punchy, right?

00:45:25.000 Or guys lose their chin or have problems like performing on fight night or whatever.

00:45:32.000 Like if you can...

00:45:33.000 If you can take CBD to do better for swelling, you can take lines made and repair the concussions and shit that we're getting constantly.

00:45:39.000 I just think you're kind of stupid if you're not actively trying to figure out a solution to all these problems.

00:45:45.000 Have you ever fucked with Kratom?

00:45:47.000 Not really.

00:45:48.000 I know people that have.

00:45:49.000 I was hanging out with Simon Rex yesterday and he was telling me some awesome stories about people that were addicted to opiates.

00:45:57.000 They got off of it with Kratom.

00:45:59.000 I think it's awesome.

00:46:00.000 Simon Rex, a.k.a.

00:46:00.000 Dirt Nasty?

00:46:01.000 Yeah, so good.

00:46:02.000 So funny, dude.

00:46:03.000 Such an awesome dude.

00:46:04.000 He's a good dude.

00:46:05.000 I took eight pills yesterday, which most of the time I was taking two, and then I took four, and then yesterday I took eight.

00:46:14.000 Now I get it.

00:46:16.000 That stuff makes you high as fuck.

00:46:18.000 When you take eight, my whole body felt weird.

00:46:21.000 I was like pretending to be sober.

00:46:24.000 I was walking around pretending to be sober, but not like drunk.

00:46:28.000 Not like reaction time.

00:46:30.000 Like I almost knocked something off the counter.

00:46:32.000 I caught it real quick.

00:46:33.000 It's like everything's normal.

00:46:34.000 Like your body moves good.

00:46:35.000 But you're like, ooh.

00:46:37.000 You feel weird.

00:46:38.000 You feel like, ooh.

00:46:40.000 Like you're under the effects.

00:46:41.000 Mentally or like physically?

00:46:42.000 Mentally, it's very nice.

00:46:44.000 Like body buzz?

00:46:44.000 Yeah, it gives you a body buzz.

00:46:45.000 But it's great at alleviating anxiety.

00:46:49.000 Like it makes you really chill.

00:46:51.000 It's weird.

00:46:52.000 It just like puts you in this nice head space where you're just like, ah.

00:46:55.000 Everything's calm.

00:46:56.000 I think the idea is that it fills up these opium receptors, and that's what people that have had real problems with opiates, that's why they like it.

00:47:06.000 Because even if you're fucked up on it, you're not fucked up like...

00:47:10.000 You're fucked up like, ooh, I feel something.

00:47:13.000 Something crazy's going on.

00:47:14.000 And I was taking eight, and...

00:47:17.000 My buddy, Chris Bell, he's the guy who directed that Bigger, Stronger, Faster documentary.

00:47:21.000 He had a real problem with opiates.

00:47:24.000 He got a pretty serious hip injury.

00:47:26.000 Had to get hip replacement surgery and was in massive pain.

00:47:29.000 He has serious arthritis, like genetic arthritis.

00:47:33.000 And when he got his hip replaced and got on pain pills, he got hooked bad.

00:47:38.000 In the middle of making a documentary about prescription drugs, which is crazy.

00:47:42.000 In the middle of it, he got hooked himself.

00:47:45.000 Just total random synchronicity.

00:47:48.000 And he takes ten.

00:47:49.000 He takes ten of those.

00:47:51.000 So he takes two more than I took.

00:47:52.000 And yesterday, for like four hours, I was walking around like this.

00:47:56.000 But there's no real side effects in comparison to the other stuff.

00:47:59.000 No, no real side effects.

00:48:01.000 After that last man standing tournament with Gloria, I had three fights in one night.

00:48:05.000 I had like super bad chest.

00:48:08.000 I had this contusion on my chest that's still there years later.

00:48:11.000 The swelling in my sternum.

00:48:14.000 And it would pinch off nerves running down my shoulder and then I think it actually pinched off the nerve root, which is when I started doing the decompression with the chiropractor.

00:48:26.000 And so my left side started, like, getting, like, it was noticeably getting smaller.

00:48:29.000 Like, it was the muscle atrophies.

00:48:31.000 Because what you don't know is the...

00:48:32.000 Well, I didn't know.

00:48:33.000 You might know it, Joe.

00:48:34.000 You know everything.

00:48:35.000 Is that the nerve root actually feeds the muscle and allows it to grow.

00:48:40.000 Once that's fucked up, then your muscle won't grow anymore.

00:48:43.000 It's when you atrophy and shit.

00:48:44.000 It's very difficult to get it to grow back, too, if you don't catch it quickly.

00:48:47.000 Right.

00:48:47.000 And, uh...

00:48:49.000 Did you have a problem getting it to grow back, or did you catch it quickly?

00:48:51.000 Well, I think when we started doing the decompression and all that stuff, it worked.

00:48:55.000 I mean, it grew back, I think.

00:48:57.000 But the pain that I was feeling from all the shit, I kept getting Vicodin prescriptions.

00:49:04.000 Vicodin, Norco, Vicodin, Norco.

00:49:05.000 And you're literally in pain, so I would take the medicine.

00:49:09.000 But...

00:49:11.000 After like two months like I looked at my kitchen counter and there was just empty pill bottles like everywhere and I noticed that I was like really fucking aggressive and like short and like I just stopped right away when I when I realized that but I could totally see how that would be that could become an addictive thing for sure I was there for that last manning you really need it you know it wasn't like I was like trying to get fucked up I was like oh I'm in pain to take a pill and then uh did you go to a doctor and get it looked at?

00:49:37.000 Yeah.

00:49:37.000 What did they say about your sternum?

00:49:39.000 They said that there was nothing wrong with it.

00:49:41.000 We went to the hospital twice.

00:49:42.000 I woke up screaming and shaking from the pain and went to the hospital and they did an x-ray and said there's nothing wrong with it.

00:49:50.000 And I'm like, look at the swelling.

00:49:52.000 It looked like a tennis ball.

00:49:53.000 And they said that it was inner cartilage or between the ribs or had gotten some sort of contusion.

00:49:59.000 You know, somebody gets hit in the elbow and their head swells up.

00:50:02.000 The man was doing that under the rib or under the sternum plates or some shit.

00:50:07.000 So there's nothing you can do about it.

00:50:09.000 I just started taking Advil like it was going out of style.

00:50:12.000 And then that would make the swelling go down.

00:50:14.000 And then I wasn't in pain anymore.

00:50:16.000 And the problem that I was having with the Vicodin was it's not anti-inflammatory.

00:50:20.000 So it did nothing for the actual cause of the pain.

00:50:23.000 And I was just eating fucking Vicodin like crazy.

00:50:26.000 So, and then, yeah.

00:50:30.000 But now I pretty much eat I take Advil every day regardless for my knees hurting or my toes are hurting or like just years of...

00:50:39.000 You're not supposed to fuck with that stuff every day.

00:50:40.000 Yeah, well...

00:50:41.000 It's not good.

00:50:42.000 Yeah, you gotta do the Onyx gut health, right?

00:50:45.000 Well, it's just that'll help.

00:50:46.000 I mean, kimchi helps too, probiotics, kombucha.

00:50:50.000 Right, I do all that.

00:50:51.000 But it just ruins your gut health and it causes inflammation.

00:50:54.000 This is what my friend Cameron Haynes, who runs ultramarathons, he was taking 800 milligrams a day, sometimes twice a day.

00:51:00.000 Yeah.

00:51:01.000 And, uh, cause he was in pain all the time cause he runs fucking, dude runs a marathon every day.

00:51:06.000 On Saturday, this Saturday coming up, he's running for 24 hours and his goal is 120 miles in 24 hours.

00:51:12.000 I mean, he's a fucking maniac.

00:51:13.000 So this dude's always in pain and, uh, I had Dr. Rhonda Patrick on and she was explaining about how Non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen actually cause inflammation because they fuck up your gut bacteria and they fuck up your body's ability to process inflammation and it causes pain.

00:51:30.000 So there's connections to stroke and all sorts of other problems.

00:51:34.000 So he gets off of it and all his pain went away.

00:51:36.000 His pain was caused in part by the fact that he was taking this stuff for his pain, which is a terrible, ridiculous, vicious cycle.

00:51:44.000 For how long straight did you say?

00:51:46.000 What's that?

00:51:47.000 For how long straight was he taking it?

00:51:48.000 He was taking it for years.

00:51:50.000 For years.

00:51:51.000 Yeah.

00:51:51.000 Well, because he's been a runner forever.

00:51:53.000 He's been doing marathons.

00:51:55.000 He ran 238 miles last year.

00:51:57.000 The Moab 230. That's insane.

00:52:01.000 Yeah, Moab 240. How is that even possible?

00:52:03.000 Takes three days.

00:52:04.000 Three fucking days.

00:52:06.000 What's really crazy is...

00:52:07.000 How sore are you after the first day you woke up the next day like, oh yeah, another 24 hours of running.

00:52:12.000 There's a type of mindset that you have to have to be able to do something like that that's just superhuman.

00:52:17.000 You have to be able to just, every step, left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot, agony and pain, all your toenails are falling off, everything's in...

00:52:25.000 Yeah, I've seen them post pictures of no toes and...

00:52:28.000 Nasty fucking feet.

00:52:29.000 Feet all fucked up.

00:52:30.000 Yeah.

00:52:30.000 What's crazy is, a woman beat everybody by more than 10 hours.

00:52:35.000 A woman who I had on, her name was Courtney DeWalter.

00:52:38.000 She beat everybody by 22 miles.

00:52:41.000 She was 22 miles ahead of the second place dude.

00:52:44.000 That's unbelievable.

00:52:46.000 She's a fucking animal.

00:52:47.000 She slept for one minute in three days.

00:52:49.000 One minute.

00:52:50.000 She slept for a minute.

00:52:51.000 Lance Armstrong.

00:52:53.000 Lance Armstrong's chick.

00:52:55.000 You think so?

00:52:55.000 Yeah, 22 miles?

00:52:57.000 Come on.

00:52:57.000 I don't think steroids help in that world.

00:52:59.000 I think in that world, those people are just...

00:53:01.000 It's just mental.

00:53:02.000 I really don't think it helps.

00:53:04.000 And they don't get paid?

00:53:06.000 They do that?

00:53:06.000 They do it for fun.

00:53:08.000 They get sponsors and shit.

00:53:09.000 Cam doesn't get paid.

00:53:10.000 I mean, he has sponsors.

00:53:11.000 Under Armour sponsors them.

00:53:12.000 Right.

00:53:14.000 Not really.

00:53:15.000 It's just because they're animals.

00:53:17.000 I know you can.

00:53:18.000 Every step I'd be like ching, ching, ching, like thinking about what am I doing this for?

00:53:22.000 Well, it's also you're used to psychotic interactions with other people in short amount of time.

00:53:27.000 Like you're used to like a 20 minute experience.

00:53:29.000 That's a great description.

00:53:30.000 Chaos.

00:53:31.000 I mean, dude, that last man standing was one of my favorite events I've ever been to.

00:53:35.000 I fucking loved it.

00:53:37.000 I don't want you to ever do it again because I love you.

00:53:39.000 I don't want you fighting...

00:53:41.000 Fucking four times in a night.

00:53:42.000 Oh, man.

00:53:43.000 I kind of want to do it again, though.

00:53:44.000 It's so crazy.

00:53:46.000 There's something about doing that.

00:53:48.000 You know you're doing something special and epic.

00:53:52.000 That was the last man standing tournament.

00:53:56.000 That was my main focus after I knocked out Simon Marcus.

00:54:01.000 I guess after the first two fights, going into the third one, I'm pretty sure I wasn't going to beat Artem Mosk too beat up, but I just had this crazy buzz about knowing that I was doing something special.

00:54:13.000 This was really fucking cool.

00:54:15.000 Which I like doing.

00:54:16.000 I would love to do it again.

00:54:18.000 I think that's how those people feel when they're running those crazy ultra marathons.

00:54:21.000 They know they're about to do something insane.

00:54:24.000 I mean, a regular fight is insane.

00:54:26.000 Two regular fights in a night is insane.

00:54:29.000 Three regular fights in a night against world-class kickboxers?

00:54:33.000 And then the first fight you had to go four rounds because after three rounds it was a draw?

00:54:37.000 What in the fuck, man?

00:54:39.000 It's a good night of fire.

00:54:40.000 I'd do that shit right now.

00:54:42.000 Would you?

00:54:43.000 You look and you're getting excited.

00:54:44.000 I'm getting excited hearing you talk about it.

00:54:47.000 Make it sound good.

00:54:49.000 I like tournaments, though.

00:54:50.000 I've always loved tournaments.

00:54:52.000 I've always wanted to be in an eight-day tournament like that.

00:54:56.000 That shit would be dope.

00:54:59.000 Now, you're making your move back to MMA because kickboxing is just not what it should be.

00:55:06.000 I think we both feel that.

00:55:08.000 Kickboxing is one of my favorite things to watch.

00:55:11.000 I'm a giant fan of it.

00:55:12.000 And for whatever reason, it is just not caught on in America.

00:55:16.000 The same way boxing has or the same way MMA has.

00:55:19.000 And I've spent my whole...

00:55:21.000 I've been doing it since I was 15 and I'm 34. So all of that time I've been thinking about the same question.

00:55:30.000 It is what it is.

00:55:32.000 It's like you can't hold on to it anymore.

00:55:34.000 It's not for me.

00:55:35.000 The sport is going to grow.

00:55:36.000 It's going to keep doing good.

00:55:37.000 And I hope that that continues.

00:55:39.000 But for me, I need to keep progressing, so to speak.

00:55:44.000 That is a...

00:55:46.000 It is what it is.

00:55:48.000 I mean that's the best way to put it.

00:55:49.000 Because there's no way we're gonna fix it.

00:55:53.000 But I don't understand.

00:55:54.000 I really, really don't understand.

00:55:56.000 I fucking love watching kickboxing.

00:55:58.000 And when people tell me about how they love boxing, I'm like, that's great.

00:56:02.000 Boxing is great.

00:56:02.000 I love boxing, too.

00:56:04.000 Kickboxing is way better than boxing.

00:56:05.000 That extra level of throwing in kicks and knees, and especially if you go to Muay Thai, elbows and clinch, it's a wilder, crazier striking sport.

00:56:18.000 And I just don't understand it.

00:56:20.000 I mean, when I watch you fight or Kevin fight or, you know, Kevin Ross or Giorgio Petrosian, John Wayne Parr, how the fuck would you not want to watch that?

00:56:31.000 It's so exciting.

00:56:33.000 And then continuously, like, they just don't.

00:56:36.000 They just don't tune in.

00:56:37.000 It's like, what the fuck?

00:56:38.000 I don't know what it is.

00:56:40.000 I just don't understand.

00:56:41.000 Does Bellator have real problems with their ratings when they air it?

00:56:44.000 I don't know exactly what their ratings are.

00:56:47.000 I know that they're...

00:56:48.000 They're average.

00:56:49.000 They're not super fantastic on any...

00:56:52.000 So it's below what their average is for their MMA fights.

00:56:56.000 Yeah.

00:56:57.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:56:58.000 Man, it's a bummer.

00:56:59.000 It's a real fucking bummer.

00:57:01.000 Because for anybody who's a fan, anybody who likes watching it, like, shit.

00:57:06.000 Like, that event in LA, that last man standing, holy fuck was that fun.

00:57:10.000 That was crazy.

00:57:12.000 Yeah, that was probably one of the best kickboxing events.

00:57:14.000 I mean, it was the best kickboxing event I've ever been to.

00:57:17.000 Yeah, me too.

00:57:17.000 The whole energy and the forum just in general, that layout of that was badass.

00:57:21.000 Yeah, that forum is perfect for that.

00:57:23.000 And everybody knew it was a special night, that it was crazy.

00:57:27.000 They were doing this.

00:57:29.000 What is it like knowing...

00:57:31.000 How much time do you have in between your second and third fight and everything is fucked up and sore and you know you're about to go into another fight?

00:57:41.000 Um...

00:57:42.000 I think it was probably like 30 minutes, 30, 40 minutes.

00:57:45.000 Maybe one other fight between you.

00:57:48.000 So just enough time for everything to start hurting.

00:57:50.000 Yeah.

00:57:51.000 Yeah.

00:57:55.000 I guess it was because of the money.

00:57:57.000 I knew that each time I fought I was going to get more money and that was my focus in the 30 minutes.

00:58:02.000 Not wanting to go back out never crossed my mind.

00:58:07.000 Versus, I think if I wasn't getting paid for it, I'd be like, it's cool.

00:58:10.000 That was fine, you know what I mean?

00:58:12.000 So that's why I was asking about those ultra-marathons, how they...

00:58:16.000 Right.

00:58:16.000 If they get paid for it or not, because I don't think...

00:58:18.000 That would be my main focus.

00:58:19.000 You say that, but I think that if you were there, just your competitive spirit would kick in, and you would go, let me see what I could fucking do here.

00:58:28.000 Yeah, give me another minute.

00:58:29.000 And then a cigarette.

00:58:30.000 Yeah, then you're at mile 79, and you're like, shit, all I have to do is 21 more miles?

00:58:38.000 I could do that.

00:58:40.000 Not me.

00:58:41.000 I'm like, man, fuck this shit.

00:58:43.000 Do you think you'd like to fight in a tournament, like old school UFC 1 style?

00:58:47.000 Always wanted to.

00:58:48.000 Always wanted to.

00:58:49.000 You know, being part of Bellator's tournament, it was dope.

00:58:52.000 Being a part of a monthly tournament, I've always wanted to be like...

00:58:57.000 In a night?

00:58:57.000 Yeah, it was good with, again, fighting some of the best fighters in the world three times a night.

00:59:03.000 Yeah, that's really what's going to touch you to me.

00:59:08.000 There's so many factors involved, so many variables, right?

00:59:11.000 Like your opponent could get a quick first round knockout and you could go a three round war, you know, and then you face each other in the next round.

00:59:18.000 It's just...

00:59:20.000 I get the commission's not wanting to do it anymore.

00:59:22.000 I get it.

00:59:23.000 The only place they would let you do it is probably one of them Native American casinos.

00:59:27.000 It's like, come on in, Bobby Lashley, come on in.

00:59:30.000 I think the commission, is the commission a problem?

00:59:32.000 I think they would do it in California.

00:59:33.000 You think so?

00:59:34.000 They did it with Glory when I did it.

00:59:36.000 Yeah, but that's kickboxing.

00:59:37.000 I don't know if they would do that with MMA. Even with kickboxing, it's widely criticized, though.

00:59:43.000 A lot of people think that was a bad idea.

00:59:44.000 I think the way they can do it with kickboxing is because of boxing.

00:59:48.000 The boxing rule says you get up to 12 rounds or whatever, so for kickboxing, that's three fights.

00:59:54.000 I don't know how that works with MMA, though.

00:59:57.000 That makes sense with kickboxing.

00:59:59.000 That makes sense.

01:00:00.000 Because I think they probably would have a hard time saying, like, oh, Daniel can fight ten rounds of MMA tonight.

01:00:07.000 What's the most rounds of kickboxing you ever fought in a night, other than that tournament?

01:00:12.000 Like, one single fight?

01:00:14.000 Oh, five.

01:00:14.000 Five rounds.

01:00:15.000 When I was fighting Muay Thai, I was always five rounds.

01:00:17.000 It's pretty always like that, right?

01:00:18.000 Why is that?

01:00:20.000 I think that the rule set in Thailand is based primarily around gambling.

01:00:26.000 It's like human cockfighting is what Muay Thai is in Thailand, essentially.

01:00:31.000 It sounds negative, but it's kind of that way.

01:00:33.000 Everybody in the audience is gambling.

01:00:36.000 They're betting, yelling, and Motioning back and forth between the bedding.

01:00:40.000 So like in Thailand, it's a three minute round, but it's two minute rest, which I think is awesome.

01:00:44.000 It is awesome.

01:00:45.000 You ever fight over there?

01:00:46.000 Yeah, I fought for the WBC world title over there.

01:00:49.000 Wow.

01:00:50.000 What year was this?

01:00:53.000 I don't know.

01:00:54.000 Jamie.

01:00:56.000 They play the music?

01:00:58.000 Yeah.

01:00:58.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:00:59.000 And I fought at Rajadumnin Stadium in Thailand, which is like one of them.

01:01:03.000 Wow.

01:01:03.000 Rajadumnin and Lumpini are the two big ones, so I fought over there.

01:01:10.000 The two-minute rest is cool, except you kind of run out of things to talk about.

01:01:15.000 After a minute, my coach and I were just like, so, all right.

01:01:19.000 I'm looking at ring girls.

01:01:20.000 Did you fight a Thai guy?

01:01:22.000 No.

01:01:23.000 Both times, no.

01:01:24.000 The first time I fought a guy from Argentina at Roger Domner Stadium, and the second time I fought Carapet Carapetian from Golden Glory Gym for the WBC World Title.

01:01:34.000 Now, when you fight over there in Thailand, do they still expect Westerners to take it easy on that first round?

01:01:42.000 Because the idea is during the first round, most ties, they go fairly light because they're ready for the betting to get established.

01:01:49.000 Yeah.

01:01:50.000 I think you don't want to come out too strong because then nobody will bet on you or against the other person.

01:01:58.000 I don't think they expect that from the foreigners, though.

01:02:00.000 I think just as a whole, they think that the foreigners suck.

01:02:04.000 They think foreigners won't block leg kicks.

01:02:06.000 So a lot of times you'll see the ties come out and just wreck the fucking foreigner in the first round of the game.

01:02:11.000 So, yeah, I don't think they're expecting the foreigners to participate.

01:02:17.000 I would love to go back in time and watch Ramon Decker when he first got there.

01:02:23.000 And that was like the golden era of Muay Thai in the 90s when...

01:02:27.000 When they didn't have the, you know, like right now it's the first round they don't really fight, the second and third round they fight, and the fourth round they may or may not fight depending on who won the first two.

01:02:40.000 And in the fifth round they do nothing.

01:02:43.000 Really?

01:02:43.000 Yeah, I mean not nothing, but almost nothing.

01:02:45.000 They're not really trying to win.

01:02:46.000 Because they know they're going to fight in a week.

01:02:47.000 Right.

01:02:48.000 And then like in the golden era it was like when like...

01:02:52.000 Those guys would come out and it was the prime time.

01:02:55.000 And everybody would fight every round.

01:02:58.000 Supposedly it was better.

01:03:00.000 Those Ramon Decker fights.

01:03:01.000 Anybody who doesn't know anything about Muay Thai, go on YouTube right now and watch Ramon Decker and watch Chaos.

01:03:10.000 That dude.

01:03:11.000 He fought guys who was his size, too.

01:03:13.000 That was what was interesting about him.

01:03:15.000 He was a small guy.

01:03:16.000 It wasn't like a big guy who was going over there to fight the ties.

01:03:19.000 He was their size.

01:03:21.000 Yeah, and he fought the top, top, top guys in their prime, which is pretty rare.

01:03:27.000 Now you see, like, Sam Chai's super famous, but Sam Chai is...

01:03:32.000 Is like the celebrity guy who's fighting like the older, heavier ties.

01:03:36.000 Like the top ties right now in Thailand are like 120 pounds, 115 pounds.

01:03:42.000 And they're like 16 years old.

01:03:44.000 Those are like the top guys.

01:03:45.000 Right.

01:03:45.000 Then you build a name where you're a big enough name that the foreigners know about you and the rest of the world.

01:03:51.000 They market you and then you fight, you know.

01:03:54.000 You go to America and you fight in America and you go to wherever.

01:03:57.000 So he's like...

01:04:01.000 Sanchai, Bukal, those guys.

01:04:02.000 He's fighting constantly, and he seems to be fighting on the road a lot.

01:04:05.000 He'll go to these weird places and fight some dude who looks like he's in real trouble almost immediately.

01:04:10.000 Right.

01:04:11.000 You know?

01:04:11.000 Yeah.

01:04:12.000 Well, they're like, oh, we're going to bring Sanchai over for this fight.

01:04:15.000 And they're like, oh, we've got to fight somebody.

01:04:16.000 Right.

01:04:17.000 And then a lot of times the Thais don't fight each other.

01:04:19.000 It's very rare that you'll see outside of a Thai stadium...

01:04:24.000 You know, you're not going to see Yahtzee Clive fight Bukow or like a Thai versus Thai.

01:04:31.000 They want the Thais to kill the foreigners and then still all be on the same team.

01:04:37.000 Well, Sanchai's got such an interesting style, too, because if you looked at him, if you only saw like a silhouette and you saw him move around, you'd go immediately, oh, that's Sanchai.

01:04:45.000 You could tell, like instantly.

01:04:47.000 Yeah.

01:04:48.000 Constantly moving, shuffling his feet, switching back and forth, real light on his feet.

01:04:51.000 He just moves different than everybody else.

01:04:53.000 Mm-hmm.

01:04:53.000 He does like the old Moe Baran.

01:04:55.000 Moe Baran was like the original martial art that turned into Muay Thai.

01:05:00.000 If you watch like the old Tony John, like Ong Bak, where they like, whatever, and they run up on your leg and like drop an elbow on your head.

01:05:06.000 Right.

01:05:06.000 There's like the Moe Baran stuff and like a lot of the techniques that Sanchai does, like the cartwheel kick or like the games that he plays.

01:05:13.000 Lerdzilla is another one that's really similar to him.

01:05:16.000 It's fun to watch.

01:05:16.000 Did you see when they let Lerdzilla fight in Lion Fight against a dude with zero fights?

01:05:22.000 Yeah.

01:05:22.000 They let him fight a dude with zero fights.

01:05:26.000 The dude had zero Muay Thai fights.

01:05:29.000 And Lerdzilla is like over 400. Yeah.

01:05:31.000 He's top of the top.

01:05:33.000 And he head kicked this dude into another dimension.

01:05:35.000 But it was one of those things where it was inevitable from the first minute of the first round.

01:05:40.000 You're like, this guy was an MMA fighter.

01:05:42.000 Not a bad fighter, but just doesn't belong in there with Lerdzilla.

01:05:45.000 Right.

01:05:46.000 It was ridiculous.

01:05:47.000 Yeah.

01:05:49.000 When I put it online, please don't ever do that again.

01:05:52.000 They're like, oh, Conor McGregor is going to fight Floyd Mayweather.

01:05:56.000 Yeah, that's for a hundred million dollars, bro.

01:05:58.000 Yeah.

01:05:58.000 Kind of different.

01:05:59.000 Pretty sure Lion Fight didn't pay that guy anywhere close to that.

01:06:02.000 Pretty sure that guy got his head knocked off for a thousand bucks.

01:06:05.000 And it wasn't the same.

01:06:06.000 That guy's not Conor McGregor either, you know?

01:06:08.000 Yeah, right.

01:06:09.000 I mean, if Conor McGregor fought Lerdzilla in an MMA fight or a Muay Thai fight, I'd go, okay, let's see what happens.

01:06:15.000 You know, I mean, I don't think he's going to win, but that might be interesting, but...

01:06:20.000 Seeing those guys, the real high-level guys, and seeing what they're able to do, seeing the way they move, it's so important, especially for MMA guys that don't understand the levels of striking.

01:06:36.000 When guys are just striking, there's some elite upon elite upon elite levels.

01:06:43.000 You know?

01:06:44.000 I mean, it's...

01:06:45.000 It's like black belt versus a blue belt.

01:06:47.000 Yeah.

01:06:48.000 You'd be like a really badass blue belt, and then you go to the black belt, and you're just completely lost.

01:06:52.000 It's not even close.

01:06:53.000 You're just getting dominated.

01:06:54.000 Yeah, you just get shut down.

01:06:58.000 You're a good high school wrestler, and you go against a world champion.

01:07:02.000 It's not going to happen.

01:07:04.000 Yeah.

01:07:05.000 That's, I mean, one of the more unique things about combat sports is that there are these deep, deep levels.

01:07:10.000 And you don't, you know, sometimes you need to see, like, a guy like Khabib Nurmagomedov is a perfect example.

01:07:17.000 You've got to see him fight against guys who you know are badass and see him smush them.

01:07:22.000 Just to see the difference, right?

01:07:24.000 Yeah, to realize where this guy's at because he's not doing anything.

01:07:26.000 It's not like he's doing jump 360 wheel kicks in the air that nobody else can do.

01:07:30.000 He's doing things that everybody else does.

01:07:32.000 He's just doing them at a level that no one else is doing it at.

01:07:36.000 His wrestling is like 10 times the level of a lot of wrestlers I've seen.

01:07:42.000 Khabib?

01:07:43.000 Have you ever trained with him?

01:07:45.000 Never trained with him.

01:07:47.000 He impressed me with watching him fight.

01:07:51.000 Who was the best wrestler at American Top Team when you were there?

01:07:54.000 Who do you think is the best wrestler you trained with?

01:07:58.000 I mean, wasn't a fighter.

01:08:00.000 It had to be Brownie.

01:08:02.000 I mean, Brownie's a dog.

01:08:04.000 Coach-wise, he was just...

01:08:06.000 What's his name?

01:08:07.000 Mike Brownie.

01:08:09.000 Where's he out of?

01:08:10.000 Brownie.

01:08:11.000 No, where's he out of?

01:08:13.000 ATT. No, but was he a college wrestler?

01:08:16.000 No, I'm saying Mike Browning.

01:08:17.000 Not a fighter, was a coach.

01:08:21.000 Mike Browning was probably the best wrestler I had.

01:08:22.000 Oh, the coach was?

01:08:23.000 Yeah.

01:08:25.000 Interesting.

01:08:26.000 Mike Browning, which has had his hands, his movement, his strength.

01:08:31.000 He's just a dog.

01:08:32.000 And he wasn't a fighter?

01:08:34.000 No.

01:08:34.000 Just coaching wrestling?

01:08:35.000 Mike Browning.

01:08:36.000 Yeah.

01:08:37.000 But he had a college career, too, though.

01:08:39.000 Yeah.

01:08:39.000 Where'd he go?

01:08:40.000 I think he was in Boston, maybe?

01:08:42.000 Or where was Mike Browning from?

01:08:44.000 Up north somewhere.

01:08:45.000 So he's never had any MMA fights?

01:08:47.000 No, Brownie has, yeah.

01:08:49.000 How many?

01:08:50.000 Fuck, fuck, fuck, no.

01:08:52.000 Fought for the UFC, fought for a fucking...

01:08:55.000 What was that before UFC? What was that?

01:09:00.000 Young...

01:09:00.000 Beat Uriah.

01:09:04.000 You know, had a very...

01:09:05.000 WEC? Yeah, WEC. Had a good career.

01:09:08.000 Oh, Mike Brown, you're saying?

01:09:10.000 Yeah.

01:09:10.000 You're saying Browning.

01:09:11.000 This is Mike Brown.

01:09:13.000 I was like, who's this Browning guy?

01:09:14.000 Yeah, that's what I said.

01:09:15.000 I'm like, what the fuck is he talking about?

01:09:16.000 Jesus Christ, you could use it.

01:09:18.000 I'm like, he fought for the UFC. I'm going through my Rolodex.

01:09:23.000 Mike Browning.

01:09:24.000 Browning?

01:09:24.000 Browning.

01:09:25.000 Who's Browning?

01:09:25.000 Yeah, what the fuck is he talking about?

01:09:27.000 No, Mike Brown's a beast.

01:09:28.000 He was a bad motherfucker in his day.

01:09:31.000 Cool motherfucker, too.

01:09:32.000 Very good dude.

01:09:33.000 When I was down at 8th D, he was probably the favorite person I fuck with.

01:09:36.000 Well, he's a great coach now, too.

01:09:38.000 He was in Colby Covington's corner this weekend, and he told me after the fight, he's like, dude, this kid's cardio is insane.

01:09:44.000 He's like, it's insane.

01:09:45.000 He goes, I think it might be just a natural gift that he has.

01:09:48.000 I mean, he trains really, really hard, but he said his cardio is just off the charts.

01:09:53.000 Yeah.

01:09:54.000 Interesting.

01:09:55.000 It's funny how much attention he's...

01:09:57.000 I don't know if he wasn't that good before, but it seems like he got a ton of fucking attention as soon as he started talking shit.

01:10:03.000 Oh, for sure.

01:10:04.000 I mean, the talking shit...

01:10:06.000 Yeah, well, the talking shit got him to the dance, but beating Maya the way he beat Maya...

01:10:12.000 Everybody had to open their eyes up and go, huh?

01:10:14.000 But a lot of people had doubts.

01:10:16.000 They were like, Dos Anjos is a fucking straight-up assassin.

01:10:19.000 He's going in there against a guy who fucked up Robbie Lawler, a guy who merced Neil Magny.

01:10:23.000 Like, how's he going to beat this guy?

01:10:25.000 And he beat the shit out of him.

01:10:27.000 I literally beat him every round.

01:10:28.000 It was crazy.

01:10:30.000 Maybe you could give the first round to Dos Anjos, and he was always a threat because he's still got power, but Colby's just on.

01:10:38.000 And it was like Nick Diaz style.

01:10:40.000 Just pop, pop, constant attack.

01:10:43.000 Constant kicking him, constant punching him.

01:10:45.000 I was very impressed.

01:10:47.000 Very impressed.

01:10:47.000 I have to go back and watch it.

01:10:49.000 I didn't see it, so I can't really say anything.

01:10:50.000 Very impressive, man.

01:10:51.000 The most impressive thing was the pace he put on him because Dos Sanchos is known for his cardio.

01:10:56.000 And he had a real problem with that cardio when he was at 155 because he had diminished his body so much.

01:11:01.000 And then he moves up to 170 and you're like, well now, he literally doubled his output.

01:11:06.000 If you look at the strikes per minute in the 155-pound division and then 170, it was double at 170. And still, Colby melted him.

01:11:15.000 Just stayed on him, kept that heat on him.

01:11:17.000 It was crazy.

01:11:18.000 It's impressive.

01:11:19.000 Very impressive.

01:11:20.000 But now he's got Tyron so mad.

01:11:23.000 Tyron wants to fucking kill him.

01:11:25.000 That's a different person.

01:11:27.000 Why's Tyron so mad?

01:11:29.000 Because he hates him.

01:11:30.000 All the shit talking Colby's been doing.

01:11:32.000 He did interviews with people.

01:11:34.000 He told them, don't bring up Colby's name.

01:11:36.000 I don't want you to even bring up his name.

01:11:37.000 Because he didn't want Colby getting any attention.

01:11:40.000 But now it's too late.

01:11:42.000 Tyrone doesn't want anyone's name other than his brought up.

01:11:45.000 Ever.

01:11:46.000 All the time.

01:11:47.000 On any show.

01:11:48.000 Ever.

01:11:48.000 Period.

01:11:49.000 Ever.

01:11:50.000 They're gonna fight now.

01:11:52.000 He should be happy that guy talks a lot of shit now, because that's what's gonna make him money.

01:11:57.000 It's good for both of them.

01:11:58.000 Fuck yeah!

01:12:00.000 How do you feel about shit talking?

01:12:02.000 I was never a shit-talker because I never wanted to be that guy that talks shit and can't back it up.

01:12:08.000 So I like when people talk shit because I'm going to beat your ass anyways.

01:12:11.000 But, you know, it works for some.

01:12:14.000 Like I said, for me, I was never one of those guys.

01:12:17.000 It has been one of those things that, like, you see every couple years, it's those one guy that stands out from talking shit, and it's like, ah, it works for him.

01:12:27.000 Then you start to see everybody try to trickle it.

01:12:30.000 Right.

01:12:30.000 Well, I think Conor did that for a lot of people, but Kobe's saying some hilarious shit.

01:12:35.000 I'm going to take this belt and bring it to Donald Trump.

01:12:38.000 Like, he's doing some shit to piss some people off.

01:12:41.000 It's fucking funny though, man.

01:12:43.000 It's the same thing Chell did.

01:12:46.000 It's obviously bullshit, but it fucking works.

01:12:52.000 Chell's still the best in my opinion.

01:12:54.000 I could watch him talk about anything.

01:12:56.000 I really like watching him.

01:12:58.000 He's a smart dude.

01:12:59.000 He's really good.

01:13:00.000 His Instagram videos that he does in his car, they're fucking great.

01:13:05.000 Yeah, they're excellent.

01:13:06.000 Fucking great.

01:13:07.000 I would take a class from Chael on how to do that shit.

01:13:11.000 I would totally do it.

01:13:13.000 Yeah, man, when he was fighting Anderson Silva, those were the glory days of shit-talking in MMA. He opened up the door for everybody.

01:13:20.000 Oh, they're feeding the Noguera brothers a carrot.

01:13:23.000 They thought a bus was a donkey.

01:13:27.000 I didn't know that they had the internet there.

01:13:29.000 I swear I didn't know.

01:13:30.000 I thought it was on a private forum, the internet.

01:13:33.000 And that guy's balls, he went over and did the Ultimate Fighter in Brazil.

01:13:37.000 I mean, went over to Brazil, stayed there for six weeks, and did the Ultimate Fighter and coached alongside Vanderlei.

01:13:45.000 And Vandele got so goofy on the show that Vandele lost Brazilian fans.

01:13:53.000 Because Vandele was coming after him, and Chael was trying to be calm about it.

01:13:57.000 And Chael was like, look, don't touch me, don't come near me.

01:14:01.000 And Vandele comes near him, he grabs him, takes him down.

01:14:05.000 It was so interesting, like, watching him turn it all around and have people mad at Vanderlei.

01:14:12.000 I mean, the Brazilians were mad at Vanderlei.

01:14:14.000 They're like, you're making us look bad.

01:14:16.000 Perfect.

01:14:17.000 Plays are perfect.

01:14:18.000 Plays are perfect.

01:14:19.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a time and a place for shit-talking, and this is the time and this is the place.

01:14:24.000 It just seems like, to make money, now it's such a wise move.

01:14:29.000 I mean, at sports entertainment, at the end of the day, regardless of what anybody wants to say or think about it, like, I'd rather, I mean, I'd watch two guys that aren't that good at fighting, you know, like the Tough Man Contest, if it's marketed right, like the bouncers and bartenders, like whatever, like if it's entertainment, it's entertainment.

01:14:45.000 Some of the best fights have been against guys who aren't some of the best fighters.

01:14:48.000 Butterbean, I'd love that guy.

01:14:50.000 Cabbage, like those are the best fights ever.

01:14:53.000 For sure.

01:14:54.000 I'm gonna start a tough man contest promotion.

01:14:57.000 Well, even good guys who aren't world champions, like when Arturo Gatti fought Mickey Ward, we knew that they were both perfectly matched and they were just gonna collide in the middle of the ring and beat the fuck out of each other.

01:15:07.000 Those were some of the classic boxing matches.

01:15:10.000 Classic.

01:15:11.000 For sure.

01:15:13.000 Didn't have to be for the heavyweight championship.

01:15:15.000 No, no, no.

01:15:17.000 I mean, there's been some amazing fights in the UFC that are similar to that.

01:15:20.000 Like Gilbert Melendez versus Diego Sanchez.

01:15:22.000 Right.

01:15:22.000 That wasn't for a title.

01:15:23.000 That was one of the greatest fights I've ever seen.

01:15:25.000 That shit was crazy.

01:15:26.000 The whole classic style makes fights.

01:15:28.000 I mean, I've always, like...

01:15:30.000 I think that shit's...

01:15:31.000 Two fighters that don't really have too much on the line and talking shit about a fight...

01:15:37.000 The hype behind a fight is what makes fights.

01:15:40.000 Yeah.

01:15:41.000 As long as you can actually still fight.

01:15:44.000 That's what makes it interesting with a guy like Connor or a guy like Colby.

01:15:47.000 They can fucking fight.

01:15:49.000 They're talking a lot of shit, but when the bell rings, they're backing it up.

01:15:53.000 I mean, we were talking about this earlier, but that's what bugs me most about CM Punk was that he has the The WWE background, you would think he would at least be great on the mic, you know what I mean?

01:16:04.000 Maybe he can't back it up or fight or whatever, but he goes from cocky and confident, I'm the fucking champ, or whatever, WWE, to just believe in yourself, kids.

01:16:13.000 Yeah.

01:16:14.000 It's like really hard to...

01:16:15.000 I just don't get it.

01:16:16.000 Don't believe in yourself.

01:16:17.000 And he has no physical...

01:16:18.000 Like, no physique.

01:16:20.000 He doesn't...

01:16:20.000 He's not like...

01:16:21.000 It's kind of sad.

01:16:22.000 I just shit on CM Punk.

01:16:24.000 No.

01:16:24.000 Listen, you didn't shit on him.

01:16:25.000 You were honest about him.

01:16:27.000 You were honest about what you saw.

01:16:28.000 I don't think that's shitting on him.

01:16:30.000 Right.

01:16:30.000 He's a very nice guy.

01:16:32.000 He's a very nice guy, and he's a hard worker, but he does not have athletic talent.

01:16:36.000 He's missing a lot.

01:16:38.000 And he's a showman, and when he was in the WWE, he was allowed to say...

01:16:42.000 I'm the fucking man!

01:16:43.000 And throw his arms up in the air.

01:16:44.000 And they had it scripted so that he was the man.

01:16:46.000 But, you know, when you're in there with a guy like Mike Jackson, who had zero fear of him and just was so casual and just popping him in the face anytime he wanted to and literally could have stopped him anytime.

01:17:00.000 If he just got angry and wanted to stop him, he could have stopped him at any point in the fight.

01:17:04.000 And even though he beat him decisively, the performance pissed Dana White off so bad, the way he was fighting, that he called him a fucking idiot and he said he'll never fight in the UFC again.

01:17:14.000 And he won.

01:17:16.000 So, like, if Mike Jackson went out there and just starched CM Punk with a right-hand-left hook combination and that was the end of it, they would say, well, CM Punk, you give it a shot.

01:17:25.000 That's it.

01:17:25.000 It's over.

01:17:26.000 Mike, who would you like to fight next?

01:17:27.000 And now it's like, you know, you're not even fighting in the UFC anymore because you should have stopped him, like, what you were doing.

01:17:34.000 He tickled him.

01:17:35.000 He fucking tickled him during the fight.

01:17:36.000 They'll make a joke of the sport.

01:17:37.000 It's already, like, a joke that if this guy...

01:17:40.000 You know, everyone thinks CM Punk's a fucking joke.

01:17:42.000 I guess he is, if that's what they look.

01:17:43.000 But, like...

01:17:44.000 Don't make a joke of the sport and not...

01:17:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:47.000 Then you're kind of just poking fun at the fans.

01:17:50.000 I get where Dana's coming from.

01:17:51.000 I get where Dana's coming from, too.

01:17:52.000 I'd have starched him.

01:17:53.000 Yeah.

01:17:54.000 The whole thing was very weird.

01:17:57.000 The whole thing was very weird.

01:17:58.000 Right away, when you see CM Punk holding his hands up and moving stiff and throwing kicks, you're like, oh, Jesus.

01:18:05.000 I don't like that being on pay-per-view.

01:18:07.000 I understand that they're selling pay-per-view cards, but pay-per-view in the UFC should be the elite fighters.

01:18:13.000 Curtis Blades versus Alistair Overeem.

01:18:14.000 Should have been on that pay-per-view card.

01:18:17.000 That's what should have been there.

01:18:18.000 Not what we got to see.

01:18:20.000 You know, what we got to see was just...

01:18:23.000 Yeah.

01:18:25.000 It's like...

01:18:26.000 Like you're playing a trick on the fence, you know what I mean?

01:18:28.000 You're promoting this guy as if he's something, and then sparring videos come out, and it's like, what the fuck is this?

01:18:33.000 Sparring videos are crazy.

01:18:35.000 It was awful.

01:18:36.000 It was like a guy who just showed how to spar.

01:18:38.000 Awful.

01:18:38.000 It's like you took a dude who's no wrestling background, no nothing, and you're like, alright, this is what I want you to do.

01:18:44.000 This is a jab.

01:18:45.000 This is a right hand.

01:18:46.000 When you throw a kick, I want you to pivot your hips.

01:18:48.000 Go ahead in there and spar.

01:18:50.000 I mean, he doesn't have the ability to move his body right.

01:18:54.000 There's a lot of guys you could take out there that are track and field guys or football players, and you could get them to fight better than him in a couple of weeks.

01:19:03.000 Right.

01:19:04.000 Easily.

01:19:04.000 Because they're athletes.

01:19:05.000 They're athletes.

01:19:06.000 They would understand how to shift their weight, throw a punch, and...

01:19:10.000 Yeah, the sparring videos that I saw, I think it was from his first fight.

01:19:15.000 But even then, wasn't he signed for like two years before he had his first fight or something?

01:19:19.000 Yes.

01:19:20.000 There's no way that you're six years deep in the game and you still are that bad.

01:19:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:25.000 He doesn't have any talent.

01:19:26.000 That's all it is.

01:19:27.000 He just doesn't have physical talent, for whatever reason.

01:19:31.000 Whether it's his approach, his intensity, whether it's not his coaching.

01:19:37.000 He's with Duke fucking Rufus, you know?

01:19:39.000 I mean, Duke Cushman...

01:19:40.000 How does Duke feel about that?

01:19:41.000 He talks about Duke Rufus.

01:19:42.000 In one of the pre-fights, he said, how do you see this fight?

01:19:46.000 He's like, oh, I'd really like a head kick.

01:19:48.000 Duke, I'd love to see a head kick.

01:19:49.000 I'm like, I don't think that's going to happen.

01:19:51.000 Oh, that's so crazy.

01:19:53.000 That's such a crazy thing to say.

01:19:56.000 You know, Duke's a beautiful person.

01:19:58.000 He's a great guy in every sense of the word.

01:20:01.000 He just is.

01:20:02.000 He's a great guy.

01:20:03.000 He did his best, you know?

01:20:05.000 There's only so much you could do, you know?

01:20:07.000 I mean, I'm sure you would love working with Duke.

01:20:09.000 I'm sure he would love working with you.

01:20:10.000 If you and Duke worked together, I'm sure you guys would have a great old time.

01:20:14.000 Because you're Joe fucking Schilling.

01:20:16.000 That's right.

01:20:16.000 And he's Duke fucking Rufus.

01:20:18.000 Let him know.

01:20:18.000 You know?

01:20:18.000 Let him know.

01:20:20.000 But you know what I mean?

01:20:21.000 I mean, you have to have something to work with, you know?

01:20:23.000 I mean, if Duke just grabbed some dude from a gas station that has been drinking beer and smoking cigarettes his whole life and had a fight in six months, how much can you possibly expect?

01:20:35.000 I don't know, but I would rather see that fight against CM Punk than these other ones, right?

01:20:39.000 Let's find out how that one would go.

01:20:41.000 I know a guy you could find at a gas station, beer and cigarettes.

01:20:44.000 What's interesting is that both guys fought Mickey Gall first.

01:20:47.000 Weird.

01:20:48.000 Did you see his Instagram?

01:20:49.000 Mickey's?

01:20:50.000 Yeah, he did like his own pre-fight analysis of how it was gonna go.

01:20:55.000 It was really good.

01:20:55.000 Yeah, well You know that was a disaster when I saw a Mickey fight and then I saw that he was gonna fight CM Punk I was like Who said yes to this?

01:21:07.000 Why the fuck would you say yes to this?

01:21:09.000 This is a hundred percent guaranteed brain damage.

01:21:11.000 There's no way you're gonna beat him There's not you don't have a goddamn chance in hell.

01:21:15.000 You have no chance And I was saying that.

01:21:18.000 People are getting mad at me.

01:21:18.000 The CM Punk fans are getting mad at me.

01:21:20.000 I'm like, look, this is what I do.

01:21:22.000 My job is to analyze shit.

01:21:23.000 I look at fighters.

01:21:25.000 I understand what I'm talking about, man.

01:21:27.000 This is like, I got a pit bull, and I'm going to put him in a cage with a puppy.

01:21:31.000 What do you think is going to happen?

01:21:33.000 The pit bull is going to kill the puppy.

01:21:34.000 This is how it works.

01:21:37.000 This isn't, like, this isn't, well, maybe that puppy's gonna grab him by the face.

01:21:40.000 No, no, no.

01:21:41.000 No, no, no.

01:21:41.000 Listen to me.

01:21:42.000 I'm telling you.

01:21:43.000 This is how bad this matchup is.

01:21:45.000 This is a Brazilian jiu-jitsu brown belt with a nasty back game.

01:21:50.000 He's strong and fast.

01:21:53.000 You look at the matchup that CM Punk just had, Mike Jackson.

01:21:57.000 Mickey beat Mike Jackson in like under a minute, I think, right?

01:22:00.000 Smushed him.

01:22:00.000 Yeah, smushed him.

01:22:01.000 Took his back, strangled him.

01:22:02.000 He's been out here training with me for like three months now, and the kid's getting really good.

01:22:06.000 His striking's getting really, really good.

01:22:08.000 He's fucking talented, man.

01:22:10.000 Really good.

01:22:10.000 And he talks a lot of shit, too.

01:22:12.000 Yeah, he's good.

01:22:12.000 Plus, he's got hilarious walkout music.

01:22:14.000 When he comes out, oh, Mickey, you're so fine.

01:22:16.000 You're so fine.

01:22:17.000 I've been trying to convince him ever since he got here.

01:22:19.000 I called his phone, and it's like, you know those people that have those ringback songs, and they're like fucking horrible elevator music?

01:22:25.000 Every time he answers, I'm like, dude, turn that fucking shit off.

01:22:28.000 You change it.

01:22:29.000 Or at least have it be, hey, Mickey, you're so fine.

01:22:31.000 What is his music that he has on?

01:22:33.000 I don't know.

01:22:33.000 It's some trash.

01:22:34.000 It's just...

01:22:38.000 Elevator...

01:22:39.000 Like something awful.

01:22:41.000 Fucking change it, Mickey.

01:22:43.000 Change it, buddy.

01:22:45.000 When is he fighting again?

01:22:47.000 I don't think he has anything booked yet.

01:22:49.000 I think he's calling Sean Shelby.

01:22:52.000 So he's working with you with his striking?

01:22:54.000 Yep.

01:22:54.000 Nice.

01:22:55.000 He's helping me with my ground game.

01:22:57.000 Who is he working with his ground game out here?

01:23:00.000 Jason Manley and Bamba Vascon Salas.

01:23:04.000 Where's that out of?

01:23:05.000 Bamba trades with me and Jason Manley is training at Muscle Farm.

01:23:10.000 That's cool.

01:23:10.000 So where is he?

01:23:11.000 Is he staying in Burbank out there?

01:23:13.000 Is he staying near you?

01:23:14.000 He's staying near me and Eagle Rock.

01:23:18.000 Nice.

01:23:19.000 He's actually roommates with Eve Edwards.

01:23:20.000 No shit.

01:23:21.000 Yeah.

01:23:22.000 Oh, that's right.

01:23:23.000 Eve told me.

01:23:24.000 I love Eve.

01:23:26.000 He's a good dude.

01:23:28.000 Yeah, man.

01:23:29.000 He's great, isn't he?

01:23:30.000 He's a great dude.

01:23:31.000 He's a great dude.

01:23:31.000 He's very good on the desk, too.

01:23:33.000 It's interesting to see former fighters on the desk.

01:23:36.000 Some dudes are lost and some dudes are smooth.

01:23:39.000 Some dudes are very good at it.

01:23:41.000 I think he does great, right?

01:23:42.000 He's very good at it.

01:23:43.000 I think he's one of my favorite ones to watch.

01:23:45.000 Yeah, I tweeted about it years ago when he first started doing it.

01:23:49.000 I'm like, I really appreciate him doing it.

01:23:52.000 Michael Bisping's very good at it, too.

01:23:54.000 Yeah, I like Bisping, too.

01:23:54.000 Although he and Colby got at it.

01:23:56.000 It was a little awkward.

01:23:57.000 They went after it after the fight.

01:24:01.000 Bisping can't not talk shit, right?

01:24:03.000 No, he can't help it.

01:24:04.000 He can't help himself, which I really appreciate that about him, actually.

01:24:07.000 Well, he's a dog, man.

01:24:09.000 His competitive drive is pretty intense.

01:24:12.000 Bisping is, in my opinion, one of the best...

01:24:15.000 He's one of the best poster boys for just hard work, mental toughness, and determination.

01:24:20.000 Yeah, and also being that British dude at the bar that'll have a beer and tell you to go fuck yourself.

01:24:26.000 Exactly.

01:24:27.000 Piss off, you mother...

01:24:29.000 Get at you.

01:24:31.000 Yeah.

01:24:32.000 That's good.

01:24:33.000 He's got problems with his other eye now, too.

01:24:35.000 Has he?

01:24:36.000 Yeah.

01:24:36.000 That sucks.

01:24:37.000 He's got some sort of a detachment in his other eye, his good eye.

01:24:40.000 I thought they were going to fix one.

01:24:42.000 I thought it was, like, going to get better or something.

01:24:45.000 Well, he's got some sort of oil in it that protects it before he retires.

01:24:51.000 And then when he retires, he's going to get it operated on to fix it.

01:24:53.000 But now he has a new problem with his right eye.

01:24:56.000 He was seeing some flash or something like that in his right eye, and he went to the doctor and found out he's got a detachment there.

01:25:01.000 Detachment, yeah.

01:25:02.000 And he's like, alright, fuck this.

01:25:03.000 I'm done.

01:25:04.000 Because he was going to have one more fight.

01:25:05.000 And now he's like, I'm done.

01:25:07.000 He did it all, man.

01:25:08.000 He won the ultimate fighter.

01:25:09.000 He won the title.

01:25:11.000 He's been hated.

01:25:12.000 He's been loved.

01:25:13.000 And now he's a good analyst, too.

01:25:15.000 He's very good on the desk.

01:25:16.000 He's got a cushy thing going.

01:25:17.000 His podcasts, I think, are great, too.

01:25:18.000 He's doing really well.

01:25:20.000 He's doing good.

01:25:21.000 That is a nice thing.

01:25:22.000 And acting too right now?

01:25:23.000 Is he in some movies?

01:25:24.000 Yeah, he's always got something going on.

01:25:25.000 It's nice that guys do have those other options too, like podcasts and different things now.

01:25:30.000 There's ways out, you know?

01:25:32.000 Especially looking at what Schaub's done.

01:25:34.000 Schaub has taken it to a whole other level.

01:25:36.000 I mean, as far as guys being able to get out of the fight game and then make a living as a podcaster, he's fucking doing stand-up now and headlining clubs and shit and traveling all over the country.

01:25:46.000 And he's good, man.

01:25:47.000 He's fucking funny.

01:25:48.000 He's a funny dude.

01:25:50.000 It's hilarious, you know?

01:25:51.000 It's just nice that fighters have options.

01:25:55.000 Because, you know, seeing a guy stick around when he shouldn't be doing it anymore is one of the hardest things.

01:25:59.000 Oh, for sure.

01:26:00.000 And then you look like all the NFL guys or any pro sport, most of those guys are broke within like four years of when they finish.

01:26:06.000 Mm-hmm.

01:26:07.000 And, yeah, there's not a whole lot of other options for a lot of the guys, so I think it's good.

01:26:12.000 It's nice that we have other options.

01:26:14.000 Yeah.

01:26:14.000 For sure.

01:26:15.000 So, with you signing...

01:26:16.000 You showed everybody the way here, Joe.

01:26:18.000 There's a way, you know?

01:26:20.000 There's a way.

01:26:21.000 There's ways.

01:26:22.000 You know, especially with the internet, man.

01:26:24.000 There's just crazy ways.

01:26:26.000 I mean, how much money do you think Mighty Mouse makes on his Twitch stream?

01:26:30.000 I would say a decent amount.

01:26:31.000 I don't know how much...

01:26:32.000 This is like the video game?

01:26:33.000 Yeah.

01:26:34.000 Dude's Twitch stream, and they're not even like the best gamers in the world, and they make thousands and thousands of dollars.

01:26:40.000 I know Rampage is on there all the time.

01:26:41.000 What'd you say?

01:26:42.000 He's playing in something right now.

01:26:43.000 Sugar Sean's in it, too.

01:26:44.000 Ah!

01:26:46.000 Not that we're going to watch it, but yeah, it's on.

01:26:48.000 Rampage does that, too?

01:26:49.000 I think so, yeah.

01:26:50.000 He's a big gamer.

01:26:50.000 He's always talking about it.

01:26:51.000 Is he still active?

01:26:52.000 Is he still going to fight again?

01:26:53.000 Yeah, I was trying to get a fight with him not too long ago, and...

01:26:57.000 I'm not sure what...

01:26:58.000 Well, he's like 290 pounds right now.

01:27:00.000 Yeah, but I feel like for that size, I could do that.

01:27:06.000 I could beat Rampage.

01:27:07.000 I don't know if I'd go for like Brock Lesnar.

01:27:10.000 Well, the Rampage fight would be a good fight for you because he doesn't try to take you down.

01:27:15.000 Right.

01:27:15.000 Most likely he's going to try to stand with you.

01:27:17.000 Right.

01:27:18.000 Yeah.

01:27:18.000 Do you have a set schedule?

01:27:21.000 For your return to MMA? I'm hopefully going to get something around September.

01:27:27.000 Late August, early September, I think.

01:27:29.000 And you just decided that where kickboxing is right now just doesn't have enough juice?

01:27:34.000 Yeah, I want to keep progressing financially.

01:27:39.000 And like I said, money motivates me a lot.

01:27:42.000 And if I reach the ceiling of the sport, so to speak, and there's...

01:27:48.000 Oh, MMA's right here, right next door.

01:27:50.000 And yeah.

01:27:53.000 Does that make sense?

01:27:54.000 Yeah.

01:27:54.000 No, it does make sense.

01:27:56.000 You say you're 34?

01:27:58.000 Yeah.

01:27:58.000 I mean, how many more years do you think you're going to do it?

01:28:03.000 Four?

01:28:03.000 Five?

01:28:04.000 Four or five?

01:28:04.000 Yeah.

01:28:05.000 I want to make big fights, as much money as I can, and set up for life after fighting, I think.

01:28:13.000 You can't just quit, right?

01:28:14.000 You've got to...

01:28:15.000 Find ways to market yourself at the highest level to get as much attention as possible to the irrelevant in the space that you pass.

01:28:22.000 And I just don't think that kickboxing is going to get me there.

01:28:25.000 You know?

01:28:26.000 Yeah, man.

01:28:27.000 It's a bummer.

01:28:28.000 But I think you're right.

01:28:29.000 I think it's a smart...

01:28:30.000 If you're just dealing strictly financially, I think it's a very smart move.

01:28:33.000 It's very unfortunate.

01:28:34.000 I really wish there was a solution.

01:28:36.000 I do not know what it would be, though.

01:28:37.000 I mean, everybody's tried.

01:28:38.000 Spike TV tried.

01:28:40.000 They tried with the Paramount Network.

01:28:41.000 They tried with Glory.

01:28:43.000 Yeah.

01:28:44.000 Well, I think also with Bellator, you know, maybe I'll come back.

01:28:48.000 Maybe there's a big fight.

01:28:49.000 You know, maybe...

01:28:50.000 Musashi's like, you know what, I think I want the Bells for a kickboxing title too.

01:28:54.000 Right, yeah.

01:28:55.000 Let's do it.

01:28:56.000 Right, yeah.

01:28:57.000 But I would fight, if they let me, I would fight fucking kickboxing first, win that fight, and then come back out the same night and fight MMA. Really?

01:29:05.000 Hell yeah.

01:29:06.000 I brought it up.

01:29:08.000 I brought it up to Coker at Armenia not too long ago.

01:29:11.000 What did they say?

01:29:12.000 They just kind of looked at me like...

01:29:14.000 It's fucking...

01:29:15.000 You can't stop crazy, huh?

01:29:16.000 It's the same way they looked at me when I said I wanted to fight Rampage and Vanderlei.

01:29:20.000 Now, what is Vanderlei's deal?

01:29:23.000 Is he back?

01:29:23.000 Like, what's going on with Vanderlei?

01:29:25.000 I don't know.

01:29:25.000 I just saw it as an opportunity.

01:29:28.000 When Chael beat him, you know, his complaint was that, you know, he just took him down and laid on top of him.

01:29:33.000 Which has been kind of my complaint for a while.

01:29:35.000 So I figured...

01:29:36.000 But they don't want that fight.

01:29:37.000 No?

01:29:39.000 Why don't they want that fight?

01:29:40.000 Well, I think Vanderlei already had his face surgery done once.

01:29:43.000 I don't think he wants to have it done twice.

01:29:45.000 Oh, shit.

01:29:46.000 And Rampage is my buddy, but he just doesn't want that fight.

01:29:50.000 He said he wants an easy fight like Vanderlei.

01:29:53.000 Well, there's a lot of history between those two guys, too.

01:29:55.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:29:57.000 It's a big money fight for him.

01:29:58.000 Yeah.

01:30:00.000 Evanderlei was an interesting story, too, right?

01:30:02.000 When he was fighting over in Pride, and then he came over to the UFC, just a completely different human being.

01:30:07.000 Yeah.

01:30:07.000 You know?

01:30:08.000 Just in the Rampage fights, when Rampage fought him over in Pride, and then also a lot of miles on him, too.

01:30:14.000 Right.

01:30:14.000 You gotta think of both things, you know?

01:30:17.000 Yeah.

01:30:18.000 It just got me thinking about felony, talking about, you know, Fighting him over...

01:30:24.000 Felony, the fighter formerly known as Crazy Horse.

01:30:28.000 Crazy Horse has now changed his name to Felony, ladies and gentlemen.

01:30:31.000 No longer refer to him as Crazy Horse.

01:30:34.000 You ever see that fight backstage?

01:30:35.000 Yeah, I did.

01:30:37.000 I've seen it.

01:30:38.000 He's nuts.

01:30:39.000 And he swears up and down.

01:30:41.000 Yeah, I beat him up.

01:30:42.000 I'm like...

01:30:44.000 He got choked to sleep.

01:30:46.000 He definitely got choked to sleep.

01:30:47.000 That was somebody else, right?

01:30:48.000 That was somebody else.

01:30:49.000 He says he KO'd Vanderlei.

01:30:51.000 He said he sucker punched him and KO'd him.

01:30:53.000 After he got choked out on the video that you see, he fought later on that night and won by knockout, I think.

01:30:58.000 Yeah.

01:30:59.000 After being choked unconscious in the back.

01:31:01.000 And he said he knocked out Vanderlei.

01:31:04.000 Oh, it happened before his fight.

01:31:05.000 Yes.

01:31:07.000 No, no, no.

01:31:08.000 It happened before.

01:31:09.000 He fought in the locker room and he went out and won.

01:31:12.000 And then he says he knocked out Vandele, punched him and knocked him out.

01:31:16.000 Vandele went out and won a decision.

01:31:19.000 So Vandele, if he's telling the truth, he KO'd Vandele earlier that night.

01:31:26.000 It's so good.

01:31:27.000 Yeah, this is it.

01:31:28.000 Here's the fight.

01:31:29.000 This is Vandelay when, you know...

01:31:32.000 That doesn't even look like the same person.

01:31:34.000 I know.

01:31:34.000 His nose was smashed in.

01:31:35.000 It does not even look like the same person.

01:31:37.000 Yeah.

01:31:39.000 Now he's got like the Mario Brothers mustache.

01:31:45.000 He attacked this dude and he got caught in a triangle.

01:31:50.000 Very danger, very danger.

01:31:57.000 Oh, that's it, baby.

01:32:00.000 I forget who it was that did this to him.

01:32:03.000 But it was one of Carlson Gracie's black belts.

01:32:06.000 He's getting it, though.

01:32:15.000 Yeah.

01:32:18.000 How big is Felon?

01:32:20.000 Alright, now you got it.

01:32:21.000 Here it is.

01:32:22.000 155 pounds, maybe?

01:32:24.000 Probably.

01:32:24.000 Yeah, he's out cold here.

01:32:25.000 I'm all right.

01:32:33.000 Thank you.

01:32:35.000 Yeah, out cold.

01:32:40.000 Oh, they're very nice to him.

01:32:42.000 Look at his eyes open up.

01:32:44.000 He's like, what?

01:32:44.000 I think, like, uh...

01:32:46.000 I saw a clip the other day, and the guy asked you, what's the practical use of Jiu Jitsu?

01:32:51.000 And you're like, well, if we got in a fight, I would kill you.

01:32:55.000 I think people don't realize that without the ref to stop the fight, even those guys, they stopped him, like, okay, yeah, let him go, he's already unconscious, that would kill you.

01:33:04.000 You would be dead.

01:33:05.000 You would be dead.

01:33:07.000 If that guy doesn't want to let go of you, you die.

01:33:08.000 He just holds on until your brain doesn't work anymore.

01:33:10.000 And that's a wrap.

01:33:11.000 And that's that.

01:33:13.000 It's nuts.

01:33:14.000 That's real.

01:33:15.000 Yeah.

01:33:16.000 That's my friend Eric trying to come up with some excuse to not work out.

01:33:19.000 That's why I said, what's the practical use of jiu-jitsu?

01:33:23.000 If we had a fight, I would kill you.

01:33:25.000 What is this?

01:33:26.000 Another crazy horse fight?

01:33:27.000 No, this is two guys in the basketball court.

01:33:29.000 They got into a big fight, and then he takes it down really, really quick.

01:33:32.000 He attacked the guy.

01:33:33.000 Oh, yeah, he fucked up, son.

01:33:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:33:35.000 Oh, he thinks he's a badass, and he doesn't know how to fight.

01:33:38.000 Oh, look at this.

01:33:39.000 Oh, punch in the back of the head.

01:33:40.000 Oh, shit.

01:33:41.000 Ooh, look at this.

01:33:45.000 He's still trying to punch him.

01:33:46.000 Hilarious.

01:33:49.000 He's taking that leg apart though, right here.

01:33:52.000 He's got him in a heel hook right here, isn't it?

01:34:05.000 You'll never play basketball again, motherfucker.

01:34:07.000 In that position, he's telling the truth.

01:34:09.000 All he has to do is yank that fucking thing up clockwise and that's a wrap.

01:34:17.000 That horrible pain of getting heel hooked and not tapping.

01:34:22.000 Not the business.

01:34:23.000 Especially that inside heel hook.

01:34:24.000 That is so nasty when it goes across the body.

01:34:27.000 The amount of torque on your knee.

01:34:28.000 This is like no way your knee can hang in there.

01:34:30.000 It just rips apart.

01:34:33.000 I'm good on knee surgeries.

01:34:34.000 Is that that Paul Harris?

01:34:36.000 Yeah, Paul Harris was doing everybody in that same move.

01:34:39.000 Well, he does outside and inside, but the inside one is just...

01:34:42.000 The outside one, you got a little bit more...

01:34:44.000 There's a little more movement like this.

01:34:46.000 I mean, you got to tap eventually, but the problem is when someone's got you in this way across the body and then they go like that, man, you got about an inch or two of movement.

01:34:57.000 It's horrible, too.

01:34:58.000 It sounds terrible.

01:34:59.000 You can hear the...

01:35:01.000 Everything pulling apart, snapping off the bone, and people screaming.

01:35:05.000 Paul Harris would not let go either.

01:35:07.000 That was his thing.

01:35:07.000 He would just hang on to heel hooks.

01:35:09.000 It sounds so bad.

01:35:11.000 I got a guy with a fucking Kimura.

01:35:15.000 Maybe it was Americana.

01:35:16.000 I'm not sure what the difference is, but it sounds like a towel.

01:35:19.000 This is an Americana.

01:35:20.000 This is a Kimura.

01:35:22.000 I think it was this way.

01:35:25.000 It sounded like ripping a towel.

01:35:27.000 If you pull it all apart and the fibers start popping, that's what it sounded like.

01:35:31.000 I can still hear it in my head.

01:35:33.000 It sucks.

01:35:35.000 Did he tap?

01:35:36.000 I mean, after.

01:35:38.000 He's like, it's cool, it's cool.

01:35:40.000 I'm like, that's not fucking cool.

01:35:42.000 I didn't need to break your fucking arm.

01:35:43.000 You could have just tapped, you dickhead.

01:35:45.000 Now I gotta hear this shit in my head all night.

01:35:47.000 I saw a video of a street fight.

01:35:49.000 There's another video where this dude gets a guy in an omoplata and he's pushing his arm up.

01:35:54.000 You see the guy's arm just give out.

01:35:57.000 Oh, in a street fight?

01:35:57.000 I saw it.

01:35:58.000 It was like Mexico or something, right?

01:36:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:36:01.000 Something, Brazil or something.

01:36:02.000 Good groundwork, though.

01:36:04.000 Dude got his nice omoplata in a street fight.

01:36:06.000 It's always a plus.

01:36:07.000 Right.

01:36:10.000 I mean, the street fight game is changing drastically.

01:36:13.000 People know how to fight!

01:36:14.000 Dude, people know how to fight.

01:36:15.000 Super dangerous.

01:36:16.000 Super dangerous.

01:36:17.000 Take a chance.

01:36:18.000 When I was a kid, it was like, on the playground, it was like flying karate kick kicks and shit, you know?

01:36:23.000 Now they're going to be like rear-naked choking each other.

01:36:25.000 Oh, for sure.

01:36:26.000 Fucking heel-hooking little kids.

01:36:27.000 Little kids grow up watching Bellator and the UFC and kickboxing.

01:36:31.000 They know what a leg kick is now.

01:36:33.000 They know all that shit.

01:36:34.000 They know how to grab the back of the head.

01:36:35.000 Other kids are yelling, knee, knee, knee.

01:36:37.000 They know what to do now.

01:36:39.000 Oh, is this it?

01:36:40.000 Yeah, this is it.

01:36:41.000 Yeah, this is awful.

01:36:42.000 The dude gets...

01:36:43.000 He brings that leg...

01:36:44.000 That guy, the guy on the top has no understanding of what to do with his arm.

01:36:48.000 Here it is.

01:36:49.000 Oh, sir, I'm just gonna...

01:36:50.000 Here it comes.

01:36:52.000 Watch this.

01:36:53.000 Get ready.

01:36:55.000 And...

01:36:56.000 Here comes the noise.

01:37:01.000 It's awful, man.

01:37:02.000 The sound.

01:37:04.000 Oh, there it is.

01:37:09.000 Look at it.

01:37:09.000 Just laying fucked up backwards on his arm.

01:37:14.000 Oh, don't move it.

01:37:15.000 Jesus Christ.

01:37:15.000 He's just laying there like...

01:37:16.000 He must have been drunk, too.

01:37:19.000 Because he didn't even pull his arm out.

01:37:21.000 He had no idea what he was doing.

01:37:25.000 Listen.

01:37:25.000 Yeah.

01:37:26.000 You guys, you don't know you're in trouble.

01:37:28.000 Do you smoke, Daniel?

01:37:29.000 Is that what that is?

01:37:30.000 Cigarettes there?

01:37:31.000 These are empty.

01:37:32.000 It was something else in here.

01:37:33.000 Come on, man.

01:37:34.000 Something else in there.

01:37:35.000 Do you smoke cigarettes?

01:37:36.000 Yes.

01:37:36.000 Yes, I do.

01:37:37.000 How often do you smoke?

01:37:39.000 As soon as I get out of here.

01:37:40.000 As soon as you get out of here?

01:37:41.000 As soon as I get out of here.

01:37:41.000 How many a day?

01:37:44.000 I try to go, I don't know, probably about half a bag.

01:37:49.000 Jesus.

01:37:50.000 You're hanging out with this motherfucker.

01:37:51.000 It's...

01:37:52.000 It's okay.

01:37:53.000 You just gotta get it.

01:37:54.000 You just gotta take it.

01:37:55.000 Just go ahead.

01:37:56.000 Get it, Joe.

01:37:57.000 Well, I'm just looking out for your best interest, man.

01:37:59.000 Have you ever tried to switch to vape or anything like that?

01:38:03.000 I've done...

01:38:04.000 Man, listen.

01:38:04.000 I've done it all.

01:38:05.000 Vape.

01:38:06.000 I've chewed.

01:38:08.000 I've tried to stop gum.

01:38:10.000 Everything.

01:38:11.000 I just...

01:38:13.000 I'm an individual.

01:38:15.000 You're an individual?

01:38:16.000 I'm an individual.

01:38:17.000 I'm just one of those weird guys that just does it all.

01:38:19.000 Were you smoking when you were the current Bellator champ?

01:38:23.000 Yeah, I was.

01:38:24.000 Both of them?

01:38:24.000 Hold on.

01:38:24.000 I was.

01:38:25.000 Both times.

01:38:26.000 Damn.

01:38:26.000 That's so crazy.

01:38:28.000 I've been smoking since I was chewing and smoking since I was 12, 13. There's a lot of TIE fighters who smoke, right?

01:38:35.000 Skarboski, doesn't he always smoke?

01:38:37.000 Yeah.

01:38:38.000 There's actually a lot of fighters.

01:38:39.000 I mean, I know a lot of fighters.

01:38:40.000 I don't want to, like, put it out there.

01:38:42.000 But a lot of fighters that you know at a high level in the UFC smoke cigarettes.

01:38:46.000 I know.

01:38:47.000 I used to try to hide it.

01:38:48.000 Like, that used to be my thing.

01:38:50.000 You know, trying to hide it.

01:38:51.000 And then you always, oh, I can't believe you're an athlete and you're smoking.

01:38:55.000 And it's like, all right, leave me the fuck alone.

01:38:58.000 People hear you talk and they go, man, are you an 80-year-old blues singer?

01:39:02.000 What the fuck's going on with your voice, man?

01:39:05.000 It's the cigarettes.

01:39:09.000 They give you that hard living voice.

01:39:13.000 There's definitely a benefit and a level to not hiding who you are.

01:39:17.000 I was just talking to somebody about that the other day.

01:39:19.000 It is nice that I can say that I smoke weed and Yeah.

01:39:23.000 Be myself and, you know, whatever.

01:39:26.000 Shit, especially weed.

01:39:27.000 You know, I mean, there's a lot of people that have some dumb ideas about what weed does to you.

01:39:31.000 You know, and it's nice that guys like you are out about it so you can realize.

01:39:35.000 Thank you, Joe.

01:39:37.000 For real.

01:39:37.000 It's nice that guys like you are out there, too.

01:39:39.000 Pro athletes, though, but I'm a stoner.

01:39:40.000 I'm a comedian.

01:39:41.000 It makes sense.

01:39:42.000 But pro athletes, seeing that a guy who takes care of his body smokes weed, it's not ruining his career.

01:39:49.000 The other thing is that people want to think that it's lazy people.

01:39:51.000 Yeah, that's what bothers me most about the misconception of it, is that you're not a productive person.

01:39:57.000 You just sit around the house and hide all day.

01:39:59.000 On Sunday, I sit around the house and hide as a motherfucker.

01:40:01.000 Sometimes.

01:40:02.000 But every other day, I'm working my ass off constantly.

01:40:05.000 You earn those days off, though.

01:40:06.000 For sure.

01:40:08.000 There's a photo in the green room from Ryan Loco.

01:40:11.000 Shout out to Ryan.

01:40:12.000 Shout out to Ryan.

01:40:13.000 You smoking cigarettes.

01:40:14.000 Is that from Last Man Standing?

01:40:18.000 It's in between fights, isn't it?

01:40:21.000 Yeah, I think it was.

01:40:22.000 I don't know if it was Last Man Standing or if it was in the locker room in one of the glory fights.

01:40:26.000 I don't know if it was between fights or not.

01:40:28.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:40:29.000 That's up in the green room right now.

01:40:34.000 It was like Jimi Hendrix and Elvis, right?

01:40:38.000 The four pictures behind each other.

01:40:41.000 I got a gang of new ones coming now.

01:40:43.000 I got Steven Tyler, when he was a teenager, got arrested for weed.

01:40:48.000 I got him.

01:40:49.000 I got Conor McGregor.

01:40:50.000 Mugshots?

01:40:50.000 Yeah, I got Conor McGregor mugshot.

01:40:52.000 I got the real Jimi Hendrix mugshot, not the photo that we had on before, which was like his real mugshot label, but the photo was from one of them Jimi Hendrix Experience photos.

01:41:03.000 We got the real mugshot photo now.

01:41:04.000 Wow.

01:41:05.000 That's cool.

01:41:06.000 Jimi Hendrix has some heroin in him trying to go to Toronto with that heroin.

01:41:12.000 There it is right there.

01:41:14.000 Yeah.

01:41:15.000 When someone's trying to tell me, Jimi Hendrix didn't do heroin, well, tell that to the Toronto Police Department when they fucking arrested him for it.

01:41:22.000 There's a picture, a meme on Instagram I saw the other day that was Bruno Mars, fucking Justin Bieber, like two other Brit celebrities, whatever.

01:41:33.000 They were all smiling in their mugshot and it was like, when you know you have bail money.

01:41:37.000 Yeah, I saw that!

01:41:40.000 They just got Vince Vaughn.

01:41:42.000 Yeah?

01:41:43.000 Yeah, they just busted him DUI. Ah, sucks.

01:41:46.000 Yeah, drinking and driving is so good.

01:41:48.000 I got a DUI when I was 22 on shrooms.

01:41:54.000 Dude!

01:41:55.000 Shrooms and drunk.

01:41:56.000 Dude, they tested you for shrooms?

01:41:58.000 No, they didn't get me for the shrooms, but they fucking got me for the DUI. I would think that maybe the shrooms would help balance out the booze and drive pretty straight.

01:42:06.000 The problem was I kept arguing with the guy and he was trying to get me to blow on the street and I'm like, oh yeah, I'm And like nothing happening, like pretending to blow.

01:42:14.000 And then they take me downtown and I was like in and out of like falling asleep.

01:42:18.000 And I kept like waking up and they had like the DUI, the breathalyzer machine.

01:42:23.000 It looks kind of like this or whatever.

01:42:24.000 The actual big machine.

01:42:26.000 And I remember like arguing with them like...

01:42:29.000 What if it's if I don't blow?

01:42:30.000 And he's like, you're going to get suspended for six months.

01:42:33.000 And I'm like, what if I blow and it's a deep...

01:42:34.000 And it's bad.

01:42:35.000 I was like, you're going to be suspended for a year.

01:42:38.000 And then I asked him that back and forth like 20 times.

01:42:40.000 I kept falling asleep.

01:42:41.000 I ended up not blowing.

01:42:44.000 Well, that would make you want to not blow.

01:42:47.000 Yeah, that's why I didn't blow.

01:42:47.000 Six months versus a year, that's ridiculous.

01:42:49.000 What do you think?

01:42:49.000 I'm fucking stupid?

01:42:50.000 So by the time you go to jail, or you go to court anyway, your suspension's almost up.

01:42:55.000 So I ended up getting off on that because it was...

01:42:59.000 They pulled me over for turning the wrong way on a one-way street, but I just showed that I wasn't...

01:43:03.000 I didn't do any field sobriety tests.

01:43:07.000 You shouldn't drink and drive, I'm trying to back that, but if you do drink and drive...

01:43:11.000 I didn't do the field sobriety test, so they didn't have any probable cause that I was actually drunk, and then when you didn't blow.

01:43:17.000 And they said, well, he was driving the wrong way to one-way street.

01:43:20.000 And I was like, well, I've never been to that area before.

01:43:22.000 So, side note.

01:43:24.000 Technicalities.

01:43:25.000 Don't blow.

01:43:27.000 Yeah.

01:43:28.000 Never had a DUI. Good for you.

01:43:30.000 You're driving a fucking motorcycle, man.

01:43:32.000 You better be sober.

01:43:33.000 Yeah, I will.

01:43:35.000 Plus, you're smoking cigarettes, not paying attention to what you're doing.

01:43:38.000 I mean, with Uber and Lyft and all this shit now, it's pretty irresponsible to get a fucking DUI. I bet it's dropped down significantly because of Uber and Lyft.

01:43:47.000 I really bet it has.

01:43:48.000 For sure.

01:43:48.000 Listen, boys, let's wrap this bitch up.

01:43:51.000 Thanks for bringing me all this stuff.

01:43:53.000 Daniel, much love.

01:43:55.000 I appreciate you for having me, man.

01:43:56.000 Hey, my pleasure, dude.

01:43:57.000 And best of luck in your recovery.

01:43:59.000 It's a great story.

01:44:00.000 I love hearing it.

01:44:01.000 And just all the best, man.

01:44:02.000 Thank you.

01:44:03.000 Joe Schillen, you know...

01:44:04.000 You're my man.

01:44:05.000 Appreciate it, buddy.

01:44:06.000 And Daniel Strauss on Twitter and on Instagram.

01:44:10.000 Joe Schilling.

01:44:11.000 Joe underscore Schilling.

01:44:12.000 You know what?

01:44:13.000 I had this fucking plan.

01:44:14.000 I was going to keep saying my Instagram password throughout the whole show.

01:44:18.000 And I fucking forgot.

01:44:20.000 So Joe underscore Schilling on Instagram.

01:44:22.000 There you go.

01:44:22.000 Holler at your boy.

01:44:23.000 Holler at your boy.

01:44:27.000 Thanks, Joe.

01:44:28.000 I appreciate it.

01:44:29.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 20, 2010

JRE MMA Show #31 with Daniel Straus & Joe Schilling

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