The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #34 with Josh Barnett

00:00:00.000 Boom ladies and gentlemen Josh Barnett youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion Now retired?

00:00:12.000 Sort of?

00:00:13.000 Semi?

00:00:13.000 No, not retired, just I'm free in the wind.

00:00:16.000 I'm like a bald eagle.

00:00:18.000 I'm just out there riding on that freedom.

00:00:21.000 Just America.

00:00:23.000 I decided to leave the fold of the UFC and chase my own futures by my own hands.

00:00:32.000 Are you actively competing or going to be actively competing?

00:00:37.000 There'll be some grappling stuff this year, but I'm figuring by the start of next year, I'll get back into the MMA circuits, mainly because it's just going to take some time to set up camps, managers, the structure of everything.

00:00:50.000 I have proper sparring partners and all that.

00:00:53.000 In the meantime, we were talking about you're doing commentary for New Japan Pro Wrestling with Jim Ross, and you do it on AXS TV, right?

00:00:59.000 That's right, every Friday night at 8. You can see me sit down and run my mouth about wrestling.

00:01:06.000 We just did the live show up at the Cow Palace in San Francisco, which they've been having sporadic wrestling events there, but it was a big draw in that building in the 60s and 70s, I guess.

00:01:20.000 So it's a bit of a historical...

00:01:22.000 It feels like wrestling, pro wrestling is making a renaissance.

00:01:25.000 It's like making a return.

00:01:27.000 Yeah, I think that there's a certain audience of a certain age gap that our age group that has come into flourishing in the internet and other ways to which to go ahead and bring wrestling back up there and show that wrestling, whether it's The biggest company, like the WWE, all the way to say, you know, number two would be New Japan.

00:01:51.000 And then there's all these independent companies all over the place.

00:01:54.000 Some of them have quite a decent following as well.

00:01:57.000 You know Billy Corgan from the Smashing Pumpkins?

00:01:59.000 Huge wrestling fan.

00:02:00.000 He owns, what is the company that he owns?

00:02:02.000 The NWA, the National Wrestling Alliance, yeah.

00:02:05.000 It's hard, NWA is NWA the rap group.

00:02:08.000 It's that too.

00:02:09.000 You mean, that's what I hear, what I hear NWA. I'm sure there's some attitude involved with wrestling NWA. I can't speak about the rest of it, but NWA was, is, I guess still, it's a legendary sanctioning body.

00:02:26.000 And so it wasn't any one particular company, but it was a...

00:02:30.000 A sanctioning body that would then oversee certain titles.

00:02:34.000 And so if you're going to be on this show at this time, you're going to defend the NWA Championship, the NWA Commission would get involved, and they had their specifications as to how the title matches would be run and whether or not you could lose by disqualification or not, or if you could go over the top rope would be a DQ, and little stuff like that.

00:02:53.000 Who did Killer Kowalski wrestle for?

00:02:56.000 Killer Kowalski?

00:02:57.000 I couldn't tell you.

00:02:58.000 Do you remember him?

00:02:59.000 I know the name, but I don't really...

00:03:01.000 I mean, he was a famous trainer after the fact.

00:03:04.000 Oh, was he?

00:03:05.000 Yeah.

00:03:05.000 When I was in high school, he was the guy.

00:03:08.000 It was at NWA? It was.

00:03:10.000 That's right.

00:03:11.000 Did we talk about that with Billy?

00:03:12.000 I think we did.

00:03:13.000 He was like local cable when I was in high school.

00:03:16.000 It was like Killer Kowalski.

00:03:17.000 The territory days, yeah.

00:03:18.000 He had like a claw. 0.99

00:03:19.000 He would like grab his own wrist and grab your head or some shit. 1.00

00:03:21.000 And an iron claw. 1.00

00:03:22.000 Like the fucking guy. 1.00

00:03:23.000 Ha ha ha ha! 1.00

00:03:25.000 Fritz von Eric Killer Kowalski.

00:03:26.000 Yeah, look at his hand.

00:03:27.000 He's got his hand up.

00:03:28.000 The claw.

00:03:32.000 It's like there's some nostalgia to it.

00:03:33.000 That's one of the reasons why I feel like it's coming back.

00:03:36.000 It's like people who liked it as a kid are now, as adults, going back to it as a nostalgia.

00:03:41.000 Not with the internet.

00:03:42.000 It's much easier to go out there and put product out, right?

00:03:46.000 Yeah.

00:03:46.000 So it makes it more easily disseminated to any audience who might want to see it.

00:03:52.000 Especially with like...

00:03:54.000 You know shows that are abroad like there are some shows that will go on in Germany and Austria that Will get streamed and people get a hold of them.

00:04:02.000 They get to watch them So it's not like the tape trading days of the of yesteryear.

00:04:05.000 Does Jim Ross hook you up with his barbecue sauce? 0.99

00:04:08.000 Apparently he's got some fucking killer barbecue sauce. 0.99

00:04:12.000 He's got sauce, he's got rubs He's got a whole menagerie of all your meat fixings. 0.99

00:04:20.000 Is he a pit master?

00:04:21.000 Is he one of those dudes?

00:04:22.000 Does he do the whole thing with the wood and have a real smoker?

00:04:25.000 I don't know.

00:04:25.000 Hickory chips?

00:04:26.000 Yeah.

00:04:27.000 And then he's got his white oak on the side.

00:04:29.000 Oh, one of them guys.

00:04:30.000 Maybe.

00:04:31.000 Maybe.

00:04:32.000 At least in my mind.

00:04:33.000 Yeah.

00:04:34.000 Yeah, there's like two types of people that use that barbecue.

00:04:37.000 There's people like me that use pellet grills, which is infallible.

00:04:41.000 I use one of those Traegers. 1.00

00:04:42.000 It's easy.

00:04:43.000 You pour the pellets in, it does all the work for you. 0.99

00:04:45.000 But then there's those serious motherfuckers who chop wood and dry it out. 1.00

00:04:49.000 Yeah, they've got the Coleman's, or the ones that start with a W, the Weber grills. 0.99

00:04:57.000 There's just nothing to it other than...

00:04:58.000 Oh, those kettle grills?

00:05:00.000 Yeah.

00:05:00.000 Those are for amateurs, bro.

00:05:01.000 The real serious dudes, they get those side smokers.

00:05:06.000 Oh, sure.

00:05:06.000 So you have like the main chamber and then you got a little wood box on the side where the wood's heating up and then the air goes through and it...

00:05:14.000 Smokes from this.

00:05:15.000 That's those people that cook at like 225. They never let anything get hot.

00:05:19.000 I throw stuff over gas flames.

00:05:22.000 I'm a Luddite.

00:05:25.000 I have no business having any voice in the realm of barbecuing.

00:05:31.000 But it seems like something you'd be interested in.

00:05:32.000 Oh, I love it.

00:05:33.000 You're a man who's into all things manly.

00:05:35.000 This is true.

00:05:36.000 And I like setting stuff on fire and then eating it.

00:05:38.000 Do you still drive a manual transmission all around Los Angeles?

00:05:41.000 I just drove one today. 1.00

00:05:42.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

00:05:43.000 Like a man! 1.00

00:05:45.000 I've been driving around.

00:05:46.000 I just got it out of the shop a little while ago.

00:05:49.000 I have a 75 Formula Firebird.

00:05:51.000 But instead of doing the LS swap, which everybody does...

00:05:55.000 And I understand why.

00:05:57.000 It's got a 455 Pontiac in it that I had a board 60 out.

00:06:01.000 It's got forged pistons.

00:06:03.000 I didn't go with forged rods.

00:06:06.000 I didn't need it, I think, because, well, no, actually, I did put forged rods in it.

00:06:09.000 Forged pistons, but iron heads, dual quads.

00:06:13.000 What are you looking at?

00:06:14.000 You know, I don't know.

00:06:15.000 The goal was to just make maybe one horsepower per cubic inch, but have well over 500 pound-feet of torque.

00:06:22.000 That was the idea.

00:06:23.000 And it's automatic, unfortunately. 0.92

00:06:26.000 Yeah, Center Force gives me, and Will gives me crap about that all the time.

00:06:29.000 Why don't you just get it swamped out?

00:06:31.000 Because I like just being able to drive it.

00:06:33.000 Cut that third hole, son.

00:06:35.000 Cut that third hole on the floorboard.

00:06:37.000 Put the clutch pedal in there.

00:06:38.000 I'm more than down.

00:06:40.000 But, you know, hell, it needs paint.

00:06:42.000 It needs interior done.

00:06:45.000 That's the Burt Reynolds car, right?

00:06:47.000 No, that's a 77. Okay, you're a 75?

00:06:50.000 75, so it's got big hood scoops.

00:06:52.000 Circular headlights?

00:06:55.000 Circular headlights, still kind of a rounded off square for the center.

00:07:02.000 Jamie will pull it up.

00:07:03.000 We can pull up a 75 Firebird.

00:07:05.000 And the formula has the big Ram air scoops on it.

00:07:08.000 Right, right.

00:07:09.000 The two, right?

00:07:10.000 Yeah, the big snorkels that come over the top.

00:07:12.000 Those are dope. 0.77

00:07:12.000 There it is. 0.77

00:07:13.000 Ooh, baby.

00:07:13.000 Yeah, so that's a Trans Am.

00:07:15.000 And mine's a formula.

00:07:17.000 Ooh, look at that car.

00:07:18.000 I like that yellow one on the right or that gray one.

00:07:22.000 Yeah, formula.

00:07:23.000 Oh.

00:07:24.000 So I've been driving that around quite a bit and Hotchkiss did all the suspension on it.

00:07:28.000 Littlewood did the brakes.

00:07:30.000 It stops in a heartbeat.

00:07:33.000 That's a nice car.

00:07:34.000 Magnaflow exhaust.

00:07:35.000 That's one of the few cars that I like from 75. I feel like everything after 71 is real risky.

00:07:42.000 In a way, I mean, some of the styling lines of these mid-70s cars, I kind of like it in the obnoxiousness of it all.

00:07:50.000 But, you know, whatever you get with these as far as, like, so this car came with a 400, the one that I bought.

00:07:58.000 Yeah.

00:07:59.000 It was like seven and a half to one compressions.

00:08:01.000 It was just a total dog.

00:08:02.000 People were like, hey, do burnouts.

00:08:03.000 I'm like, I wish.

00:08:04.000 I wish.

00:08:06.000 Well, that was the year that, I mean, the years where the gas crunch was on and they started making these cars gas efficient.

00:08:13.000 Right.

00:08:13.000 Well, or they attempted to in some way.

00:08:15.000 Not to mention they would, they started trying to incorporate smog elements to try and reduce the amount of smog, these things, but they were just Highly inefficient the way they were going about it with the AIR stuff and different processes that were like things connected to the heads and it was bad news.

00:08:36.000 Yeah, it was a rough time for America.

00:08:39.000 I know.

00:08:40.000 The rare times that that is, right?

00:08:42.000 Yeah, one of the rare times.

00:08:44.000 It was a rough time for cars. 0.99

00:08:46.000 Like from 71 to the 80s, all through the 80s, we just made dog shit cars. 0.99

00:08:51.000 Made some real snoozers. 0.99

00:08:53.000 Yeah.

00:08:53.000 Pontiac was one of the few that was putting together a decent-looking car, the Firebirds and the Trans Ams.

00:08:59.000 And then, of course, Corvette.

00:09:00.000 Corvette still had some good-looking cars in the 70s.

00:09:02.000 They did, and especially because even with the low-horsepower motors, they're still a light car, so you can still get up there and hustle.

00:09:10.000 And then even into like 77, 78, you had the 6.6 liter, the 400, or the 403, I guess, by that point, in the Pontiacs. 0.99

00:09:19.000 Right now, chicks are turning off their fucking... 1.00

00:09:22.000 Radio in mass. 1.00

00:09:24.000 I don't know if any chicks want to tune in to listen to what I had to say anyways. 1.00

00:09:28.000 Come on, bro.

00:09:29.000 You're Josh Barnett.

00:09:30.000 Chicks want to hear what you have to say. 1.00

00:09:32.000 They want to learn the ways of men.

00:09:33.000 The ways of men?

00:09:34.000 Yes, they want to learn.

00:09:36.000 There's a lot of fake men surrounding them.

00:09:38.000 There are a lot of fake men.

00:09:39.000 They get confusing signals.

00:09:39.000 You know, I have a theory that...

00:09:41.000 So, not that long ago, maybe just a handful of years ago, I finally got a leather biker-style jacket.

00:09:49.000 Like the Fonz?

00:09:50.000 Kind of, yeah.

00:09:55.000 You know what?

00:09:56.000 But every time I smack something electronic, it doesn't work better.

00:10:00.000 Yeah, he had a magic touch, bro.

00:10:02.000 Absolutely.

00:10:02.000 The ladies loved him.

00:10:04.000 Yeah.

00:10:05.000 Yeah.

00:10:06.000 Keeps their dildos in shape.

00:10:09.000 So I got this jacket, and I've always wanted one ever since I was a kid.

00:10:13.000 And I went to this store in New York because there wasn't a location locally where I could just try the jackets on, and I didn't want to buy an expensive jacket and have to send it back, all this stuff.

00:10:24.000 I was in New York, went to the store, found the jacket that fit me, loved it, bought it, been wearing leather and living crap out of it, taken it all kinds of places.

00:10:31.000 It's been in nasty black metal mosh pits with it on. 0.74

00:10:34.000 I've been all around the world with it.

00:10:35.000 I've been in Far Eastern Russia.

00:10:37.000 A leather jacket is made to tell a story eventually at the end of its life.

00:10:42.000 But people will go, oh, you know, do you ride a bike?

00:10:45.000 I'm like, no, the reason why I have this jacket is because of Mad Max and the Road Warrior. 0.97

00:10:51.000 Because when I saw that as a kid, those jackets looked badass and, you know, here's the bronze, the MFP running around in their Falcons just tearing ass and blowing shit up wearing these jackets. 0.80

00:11:02.000 I'm like, I want a jacket like that. 0.86

00:11:04.000 But I started to notice that this jacket was everywhere.

00:11:08.000 Everywhere.

00:11:09.000 Everybody.

00:11:09.000 Everybody was making a version of this jacket somehow or some way.

00:11:13.000 This biker style jacket.

00:11:15.000 Guys are wearing it everywhere.

00:11:17.000 Chicks are wearing it everywhere. 1.00

00:11:19.000 And then I'm like, oh, that's a weird fashion trend.

00:11:21.000 I didn't really see that coming.

00:11:22.000 And then as I started to think about it more and more and more, it seems like there is a attempt within society to try and present the image of toughness, right?

00:11:33.000 So from haircuts to jackets to all these different kinds of things, everyone's trying to appear to be tough and badass all the time without – but people aren't going out there and necessarily risking it like they used to.

00:11:48.000 They're not generally taking on these jobs that are dangerous.

00:11:52.000 People want to have muscle cars, but they don't want to work on them.

00:11:58.000 It's like by having the item, it somehow implies some sort of...

00:12:03.000 Character.

00:12:03.000 Yeah, some sort of toughness, some sort of rugged element to yourself.

00:12:07.000 Like, you know, I'm a badass.

00:12:09.000 Like you've gone through it.

00:12:10.000 Right.

00:12:11.000 Yeah, you need that jacket.

00:12:12.000 You're falling off your bike, going 70 miles an hour and just rolling and...

00:12:16.000 Dust yourself off.

00:12:18.000 And you'll see all the 30-year-old Hollywood-y type dudes with the manicured beards and all that on their Harleys that have all been turned into choppers.

00:12:29.000 It's like a big show of toughness because people aren't going out there and...

00:12:36.000 And living tough lives anymore.

00:12:37.000 Is it toughness or is it coolness?

00:12:39.000 And are they the same thing?

00:12:41.000 I think it's a coolness related to the idea of being tough.

00:12:44.000 Right.

00:12:44.000 An attempt at authenticity.

00:12:46.000 Correct.

00:12:47.000 And to use a term, masculinity.

00:12:51.000 And even though a woman that's appearing to be tough, I mean, you would call it a masculine trait, even though that doesn't mean that they're being a man. 0.79

00:12:58.000 Well, she's putting out a signal, right? 1.00

00:13:00.000 A chick that wears like a leather jacket and rides a bike, she's putting out a signal like, you better be a bad motherfucker if you want this, bitch, or I'm into girls. 1.00

00:13:11.000 It's one of those two things. 1.00

00:13:13.000 The previous could still apply to the latter.

00:13:16.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:13:17.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.99

00:13:18.000 But it's like, you know, I'm a bad motherfucker or whatever vibe you're trying to put out there. 0.99

00:13:24.000 And then you go and you're like, well, okay. 1.00

00:13:27.000 What's bad motherfucker about you? 1.00

00:13:28.000 I don't take no shit. 1.00

00:13:29.000 Yeah, sure you do. 1.00

00:13:30.000 Hey, bro, I don't take any shit. 1.00

00:13:32.000 When my agent calls me, I tell him to fuck off. 1.00

00:13:37.000 I walked in. 1.00

00:13:38.000 I nailed that audition.

00:13:39.000 I didn't even have any product in my hair. 0.99

00:13:40.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:13:42.000 You don't know me, man. 0.99

00:13:44.000 I'm different.

00:13:45.000 It's just a casual observation.

00:13:47.000 It's totally anecdotal, but it just seems like people are attempting to try and...

00:13:51.000 I always tell people about looking at human history, I go, the issues that we deal with, the things that affect us, are not new.

00:14:00.000 In a lot of ways, they're just more magnified, especially with social media.

00:14:06.000 Social media, I believe, picks and preys on certain elements of our way of being, our process.

00:14:12.000 And it heightens our responses to certain things, but it also heightens what we see from these responses.

00:14:19.000 Because when somebody is, let's say, massively insecure...

00:14:24.000 So social media can really play hell on that and make you feel more insecure, especially if you're putting – depending on where you're putting value on what you see or what is said about you or how you are necessarily – if you're comparing yourself to others.

00:14:41.000 Also, when you respond to that in some way through your own social media, be it by trying to take more grandiose photos or I don't know, whatever sort of signaling of how to make up for that, it shines even that much more to everybody else.

00:14:57.000 So what you do get seen as much as you see what everybody else does and then you're given an option on how do you react to that.

00:15:07.000 Well, if you're not – I mean these are the sort of – you can go back into old books on philosophy and old historical texts.

00:15:15.000 Insecurity is not going anywhere.

00:15:18.000 We're not all that much more different from 1,000 years or 2,000 years or 3,000 years in the way we react and respond to things than we are now.

00:15:28.000 It's just that all these things are amplified under the elements of technology that are around us and how they can affect us and how much easier it is for those things to get to us.

00:15:39.000 Yeah, radically amplified.

00:15:40.000 I mean, I see people fighting with people on Instagram.

00:15:44.000 You know, see people fighting with commenters.

00:15:47.000 Yes. 0.84

00:15:48.000 You know, someone posts something and then other people shit on them and then they take their posts and comment on that. 0.98

00:15:53.000 And you gotta go, this is like hours of your day, man. 0.98

00:15:56.000 And people are just sniping at you for the clothes you're wearing or your fake lips or whatever it is.

00:16:02.000 Something, right?

00:16:03.000 And you could say, well, you know, you've got the person who's got a...

00:16:06.000 Who's turned their social media into a very self-absorbed sort of platform, right?

00:16:12.000 That's a lot.

00:16:13.000 Trevor Burrus: A lot of it.

00:16:14.000 Trevor Burrus: That's a lot.

00:16:14.000 And then even amongst that, it's like, well, I mean to a degree, if it's your social media and you are the prime element within it, of course, it would be a bit self-absorbed.

00:16:25.000 But I think there's more nuance to it than that.

00:16:28.000 And it's not just to pick on say the gals that are taking all the sexy selfies and all There's the dudes that do essentially the same equivalent and it's all, you know, often it could be in a response to drive attention towards themselves.

00:16:42.000 But why do you want that attention in the first place?

00:16:45.000 And then, of course, that's something you can't know until you know the person exactly.

00:16:49.000 Well, a lot of girls make a living off of it. 1.00

00:16:50.000 A hundred percent?

00:16:51.000 Yeah, there's a lot of girls that they do like sponsored tweets or sponsored Instagram posts. 1.00

00:16:57.000 I don't know how many dudes are making a living off of Instagram that way that got famous. 0.99

00:17:03.000 Like for girls, it's like girls with big asses. 1.00

00:17:05.000 This one girl that I just started following, her whole Instagram was her ass. 1.00

00:17:11.000 I mean, that is it, man. 1.00

00:17:13.000 It was a terrible thing to think, but I was thinking if a dog ever came over and bit her ass, she'd be out of work. 1.00

00:17:17.000 That's it. 1.00

00:17:18.000 It's fucked up. 1.00

00:17:19.000 She'd have an arcing spray of fucking gel shooting out of her ass. 1.00

00:17:23.000 She should have Kevlar pants on everywhere she goes. 1.00

00:17:26.000 That ass is valuable. 1.00

00:17:27.000 Lloyds of London, what will you give me per cheek on insurance on this? 1.00

00:17:31.000 I mean, she has a tremendous ass, don't get me wrong, but it's just weird when there's this one body part that essentially defines your identity. 0.98

00:17:40.000 Like, this is what she does. 0.99

00:17:42.000 Which is weirder, that this person with this fantastic, monumental, epic-level ass is out there taking photos of it and putting it out there for people to see, or that people not only continue to look at it, but more flock to this religious icon of an ass, apparently. 0.99

00:18:01.000 Yeah, well, it is. 0.99

00:18:03.000 It doesn't get old, apparently.

00:18:04.000 It just never gets old.

00:18:05.000 No, not for dudes.

00:18:07.000 I mean, for girls, is there like one body?

00:18:09.000 I guess it's abs.

00:18:10.000 Is it abs?

00:18:11.000 Like, what is the one body part?

00:18:12.000 Turn to Jamie.

00:18:13.000 Jamie?

00:18:13.000 Yeah.

00:18:14.000 Hey, tell us about what girls are into. 1.00

00:18:17.000 For girls, it's a wallet. 1.00

00:18:18.000 Look how fat his wallet is.

00:18:20.000 It definitely has an effect.

00:18:21.000 He's got a fat wallet.

00:18:24.000 And also, it wouldn't be surprised that women, in terms of that kind of shallow aspect of social media, in that way, could make more impact out of it. 1.00

00:18:35.000 Because even when you look at, say, all the women's magazines and all that kind of stuff, women want to look at hot women. 0.97

00:18:42.000 Yeah.

00:18:43.000 Right.

00:18:43.000 So women are even driven to look at hot women.

00:18:45.000 We're, of course, obviously driven to look at hot women. 0.98

00:18:47.000 Well, women know about filters, too. 1.00

00:18:49.000 They're like, oh, this bitch is using filters. 1.00

00:18:50.000 Look at her. 1.00

00:18:51.000 That is not what she looks like.

00:18:53.000 Oh, my God.

00:18:53.000 She looks like a cartoon.

00:18:54.000 Look at her face.

00:18:55.000 Look at her face.

00:18:56.000 And then they're trying to find out what filter that was.

00:18:57.000 Yeah.

00:18:57.000 What filter is it?

00:18:58.000 That's a beauty filter. 1.00

00:18:59.000 What camera did she use?

00:19:01.000 Yeah, if girls found out that there was like one camera that really did it, every girl would use that one phone that has that one camera. 0.99

00:19:09.000 Exactly.

00:19:09.000 If they nailed it, I guess they're all pretty good now.

00:19:12.000 But if there was like one standout phone that took better selfies, that would be the one that they used.

00:19:18.000 Oh, it would be a marketing...

00:19:21.000 Avalanche towards that demographic, for sure.

00:19:24.000 Because your rear phone, like if you have a phone, the camera on the back is always more powerful than the selfie camera.

00:19:31.000 Yes.

00:19:31.000 With a bigger lens.

00:19:32.000 For chicks, that's fucking bullshit. 1.00

00:19:35.000 They need a good selfie one. 1.00

00:19:37.000 They need it all reversed the other way.

00:19:38.000 You need multiple lenses.

00:19:40.000 You can choose which one you need.

00:19:42.000 They're like, I know what my friends look like.

00:19:44.000 I see them.

00:19:45.000 I want to see myself.

00:19:48.000 Selfie sticks?

00:19:48.000 If there was dudes, only dudes on the planet, there'd be no selfie sticks.

00:19:51.000 That shit would have never been invented. 0.99

00:19:53.000 You don't think so? 1.00

00:19:53.000 No! 1.00

00:19:55.000 If we found, if it was only men, and we found a guy with a selfie stick, that would be the guy we fucked. 0.99

00:20:00.000 Like, hold him down. 1.00

00:20:02.000 Hold him down with a selfie stick.

00:20:03.000 What is this?

00:20:03.000 Is this, did you get injured?

00:20:05.000 Is this a walking stick?

00:20:06.000 Is this a portable baton in case you get attacked?

00:20:08.000 Are you using that to take photos inside of a bear cave?

00:20:11.000 Yeah.

00:20:12.000 Because you're about to go in, you want to make sure you know where the grizzly is?

00:20:14.000 Are you, you know, Putting that thing around corners to see where that rabbit is and get it?

00:20:18.000 Is that what you're doing?

00:20:19.000 Because if not, I've got a problem with this.

00:20:23.000 Well, my arms are short. 1.00

00:20:24.000 Fucking dudes with selfie sticks. 1.00

00:20:26.000 That is a dark thing. 1.00

00:20:28.000 There's something about it, like holding it up.

00:20:29.000 Hey! 0.99

00:20:33.000 I'm in front of...

00:20:35.000 Why?

00:20:35.000 Why does it even bother me?

00:20:37.000 It doesn't even make any sense.

00:20:38.000 Like, why is it okay for me to take a selfie with a regular selfie lens, but it's a problem if a dude has a selfie stick?

00:20:45.000 I don't know.

00:20:45.000 It just seems a bit obnoxious, perhaps.

00:20:49.000 It seems that way.

00:20:50.000 I can't say that I have a reason why it makes sense.

00:20:54.000 Hey, maybe it's simply because we view it as something that, or we see women do it more, and so we think that a man is somehow doing something womanly?

00:21:04.000 I don't know.

00:21:04.000 Well, it's like if a man gets fillers in his face.

00:21:06.000 You ever see an older dude who gets fillers in his face?

00:21:09.000 You're like, bro, you want to pull him aside?

00:21:11.000 Come here.

00:21:12.000 I'm sure I have, yeah.

00:21:13.000 You want to go, no.

00:21:14.000 Just don't.

00:21:15.000 You're going to be wrinkled.

00:21:16.000 This is just it.

00:21:17.000 You're 65 years old.

00:21:18.000 You've got to let it go.

00:21:19.000 Let it go.

00:21:21.000 It's letting go on its own anyways.

00:21:23.000 But some gals can kind of pull it off and you feel bad for them, but they still look kind of pretty, so you let it go. 1.00

00:21:29.000 Personally, myself, I'm not really all that into especially manipulating the face like that.

00:21:35.000 For anyone, I just think that it's...

00:21:38.000 One, the potential for it to go really badly is there.

00:21:42.000 And two, I think that people...

00:21:44.000 You don't have to look perfect to be a beautiful person.

00:21:49.000 Yeah.

00:21:49.000 Your personality is at least as important as the way you look.

00:21:55.000 And if your personality is such that you need to shoot plastic in your face...

00:22:03.000 In order to feel good about yourself, I've got to go, ooh, what's happening there below the surface?

00:22:09.000 It could be an indicator of something more serious that no matter how much filler or how nice it could look, maybe there's still going to be an issue per se.

00:22:19.000 It's also one of those things just like anorexia or bodybuilders that can never get big enough where they have body dysmorphia. 0.89

00:22:25.000 People don't know what they really look like.

00:22:27.000 Do you know about the Fibonacci sequence?

00:22:29.000 The numbers, right?

00:22:31.000 Yeah.

00:22:31.000 It's the golden ratio.

00:22:33.000 It actually applies to facial features.

00:22:36.000 See if you can find something on that.

00:22:37.000 Now, there was a BBC documentary on that, right?

00:22:39.000 And at the time, there was something about symmetry.

00:22:42.000 And Elizabeth Hurley, when they made that thing, was considered one of the most beautiful women in the world by the mathematics of it all.

00:22:50.000 She's still one of the most beautiful women.

00:22:52.000 I don't doubt it.

00:22:52.000 That chick's like 88 years old.

00:22:54.000 She's still hot as fuck. 1.00

00:22:56.000 She's rocking it. 1.00

00:22:58.000 But...

00:22:59.000 There's something about the way your face is shaped.

00:23:04.000 A good example is my friend Ari Shafir.

00:23:07.000 Ari has a thin face and a long nose, and it all works together. 0.99

00:23:11.000 If he had my nose on his face, it would be like, hey, the fuck's wrong with your face? 0.85

00:23:19.000 But the ratios of the width of his face and the length of his nose, the size of his eyes, all that stuff somehow or another syncs up. 0.91

00:23:27.000 So you're saying it's not the any one thing, it's the sum of your parts.

00:23:29.000 Yes.

00:23:30.000 It's all those things go together.

00:23:31.000 And if one of them is off, like say if you are, here it is, golden ratio on the face.

00:23:36.000 So if you are a black woman and you have white lips, Like a white woman's lips. 1.00

00:23:43.000 People are like, what the fuck is going on with her lips? 1.00

00:23:45.000 How does she even whistle? 1.00

00:23:46.000 Right.

00:23:46.000 She's got a large nose or a wide nose.

00:23:49.000 That's why I grow this facial hair and hide my skinny little fucking pointless lips. 0.99

00:23:55.000 You've got Viking lips, bro. 0.99

00:23:56.000 I've been told, though, I've had some girls go, man, you're actually a way better kisser than I expected because it seems like you have no lips. 1.00

00:24:05.000 I'm like, uh-huh, uh-huh.

00:24:06.000 Do you know that's exactly what someone told Kylie Jenner, and that's why she got facial stuff shot in her face?

00:24:11.000 Yeah, I was reading that today. 0.99

00:24:13.000 This is what kind of a loser I am. 0.99

00:24:15.000 50-year-old man with children. 1.00

00:24:16.000 I fucking pay taxes. 1.00

00:24:18.000 I got a lot of shit to do. 1.00

00:24:19.000 Meanwhile, I'm reading some article about why Kylie Jenner decided to take all the filler out of her face. 0.99

00:24:23.000 It was a fucking article on my Google feed, and I was like, what is this? 0.97

00:24:27.000 Well, they know what you're into. 0.99

00:24:30.000 I guess they do.

00:24:31.000 I don't know how they know.

00:24:31.000 They've got you pegged.

00:24:33.000 These sons of bitches. 1.00

00:24:34.000 How do they know? 1.00

00:24:35.000 They know the inner workings of Joe Rogan.

00:24:37.000 Well, filler is a fairly recent thing in human history.

00:24:40.000 I'm not all that familiar with it.

00:24:42.000 I mean, I don't proclaim to be much of a...

00:24:44.000 I don't even know what's in it.

00:24:45.000 What is filler?

00:24:47.000 Facial filler. 0.98

00:24:48.000 Google that.

00:24:49.000 What's in facial filler?

00:24:50.000 Sand, JB Weld, Bondo.

00:24:54.000 Gorilla Cum?

00:24:55.000 Yeah, probably.

00:24:56.000 Depending on how high a grade it is.

00:24:59.000 And there's the freshness levels of the Gorilla Cum, too.

00:25:02.000 What does it feel like if they touch your face? 0.99

00:25:04.000 And you got some shit in it that makes your cheeks pop. 0.99

00:25:06.000 Some girls look like they got rocked. 1.00

00:25:09.000 Injectable fillers for the face.

00:25:11.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:25:13.000 Hyaluronic acid.

00:25:15.000 Now see, collagen and hyaluronic acid are both going to get absorbed into your system eventually.

00:25:19.000 Yeah, I think that's the good part about it, is that it's temporary, and then if you just let your body.

00:25:25.000 Raising scar depressions, enhancing lips, and replacing soft tissue volume loss through facial injections.

00:25:32.000 Hmm.

00:25:33.000 Huh.

00:25:33.000 Enhancing lips, huh?

00:25:36.000 Get it done.

00:25:37.000 But that's why it looks weird with girls when they have big fake lips because of the golden ratio. 1.00

00:25:42.000 Your face just doesn't work.

00:25:44.000 Go back to that article on the golden ratio of the face, please, and you'll see there's a whole mathematical sort of algorithm that they can use to sort of explain what is and is not normal in the shape of your face. 0.99

00:26:03.000 Like, look at what the fuck's her name? 0.96

00:26:06.000 Angelina Jolie. 0.99

00:26:07.000 Do you remember that song? 0.99

00:26:09.000 There was a fucking song that someone... 0.99

00:26:12.000 There was a song... 1.00

00:26:15.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:26:15.000 This is like 2002. The song was Angelina Jolie got some big ass titties. 0.99

00:26:24.000 That was the name of the song. 0.99

00:26:25.000 It was a hilarious song.

00:26:27.000 Was that top 40? 1.00

00:26:29.000 Amongst me and my stupid fucking friends it was. 1.00

00:26:31.000 It was a funny song, like the dude who sang it. 1.00

00:26:34.000 Is that funny sober as well?

00:26:38.000 That's a good question, and you'd have to ask somebody else.

00:26:43.000 Those are the years from 2000, when I was doing Fear Factor.

00:26:47.000 Is that it?

00:26:48.000 Stating the obvious, is that the name of this song? 1.00

00:27:00.000 Yes, it's got some big ass tits. 1.00

00:27:02.000 It's just so stupid. 1.00

00:27:04.000 From 2002 to somewhere around 2007, I think I was high every day. 1.00

00:27:10.000 It's all a blur.

00:27:11.000 It's just like driving through a coastal fog.

00:27:14.000 I was so bored when I was doing Fear Factor. 0.99

00:27:16.000 The only way I enjoyed it, I was getting high as fuck. 0.99

00:27:19.000 You weren't enjoying eating pig anuses and people screaming about having a centipede on their head. 0.99

00:27:24.000 After a while, it got bored.

00:27:26.000 You get desensitized to it.

00:27:28.000 I just can't watch general porn anymore, right? 1.00

00:27:31.000 If there's not a robot in there having sex with a tiger while a midget films it... 1.00

00:27:38.000 Clearly that stuff does happen, right? 0.99

00:27:40.000 There's a reason why people gag porn. 0.73

00:27:42.000 Was it rule 34 if there's not a porn of it?

00:27:47.000 If you can think of it, there's a porn out there and 35 is if it doesn't exist, it shall be made?

00:27:53.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:27:54.000 It's a 4chan thing.

00:27:56.000 Not that I'm on 4chan all the time.

00:27:57.000 Someone's got an alt account.

00:28:00.000 There's something about people getting desensitized. 0.99

00:28:03.000 That's fucking absolutely real. 1.00

00:28:05.000 And that's one of the reasons why in times of war, people are capable of doing more and more awful shit. 0.99

00:28:12.000 It's like you get desensitized. 0.99

00:28:14.000 You get normalized.

00:28:15.000 People are very malleable.

00:28:17.000 You get accustomed to all sorts of things.

00:28:19.000 Yes, and some of those things don't necessarily stay...

00:28:23.000 Forever.

00:28:23.000 They're subjective, you know, for that time and that moment.

00:28:26.000 And plus, there is everything that's going around you.

00:28:29.000 And if we're all in here and we're, say, we're drinking coffee and we think that this is the way to be, and then everyone else out and around us is like, well, they're all drinking energy drinks.

00:28:38.000 Well, energy drinks are actually the best thing.

00:28:40.000 Well, now there's this other thing that you see.

00:28:42.000 And perhaps then that bleeds into what?

00:28:44.000 No, let's do energy drinks instead.

00:28:46.000 And if you go from that to, you know, let's drink grain alcohol.

00:28:50.000 Well, maybe not.

00:28:51.000 Well, could be.

00:28:52.000 Yeah.

00:28:52.000 I mean, sure.

00:28:53.000 People just imitate their atmosphere.

00:28:55.000 Well, sure.

00:28:55.000 And if someone else is, you know, God in war, if they take one of your teammates and then cut them to pieces and send them back to you, then all of a sudden, you're going to do the same.

00:29:08.000 Oh, 100%.

00:29:08.000 Or then some, you know, reprisal.

00:29:10.000 Yeah.

00:29:11.000 Yeah.

00:29:12.000 I used to know a dude who, he was a Mormon.

00:29:15.000 And Mormons aren't allowed to drink coffee. 0.96

00:29:17.000 I thought you were going to go somewhere else.

00:29:19.000 I knew he was a Mormon. 0.94

00:29:20.000 He used to cut people to pieces.

00:29:21.000 No, he didn't do any of that.

00:29:22.000 I don't think.

00:29:23.000 Well, I mean, Mormons, they're just so friendly.

00:29:26.000 There's something got to be going on underneath.

00:29:29.000 There's a trigger that you got to find it.

00:29:33.000 They get a hole in their magic underwear and that's it. 1.00

00:29:36.000 Bring the fucking place down. 1.00

00:29:37.000 I offered him a cup of coffee. 1.00

00:29:38.000 He's like, no, I can't drink coffee. 0.99

00:29:41.000 And he had a fucking, one of those huge monster energy drinks. 0.99

00:29:44.000 Seriously? 1.00

00:29:45.000 Yeah.

00:29:45.000 He was drinking them all day long to the point where he was having like heart problems.

00:29:50.000 He was getting fucking heart palpitations. 0.99

00:29:53.000 He was drinking, oh no, it wasn't monsters, it was rock stars. 0.99

00:29:57.000 I wonder which one has more caffeine.

00:30:00.000 I think Rockstar has more caffeine than a Monster.

00:30:03.000 Monster's doable.

00:30:05.000 I'll drink a sugar-free Monster during UFC broadcasts sometimes.

00:30:09.000 I drink those during the New Japan shows.

00:30:11.000 They're four hours.

00:30:12.000 Yeah, but the problem is you gotta piss. 0.56

00:30:14.000 Whatever's in there goes right through your system.

00:30:17.000 That caffeine ain't helping. 1.00

00:30:18.000 Goldberg used to drink those fucking things like they were water. 0.99

00:30:21.000 He was always peeing. 0.99

00:30:23.000 Both Monster and Rockstar have the same amount of caffeine per serving, which is 80 milligrams per 8 ounces.

00:30:29.000 Yeah, but 80's not that much.

00:30:31.000 If you look at Rockstar List as being 240 or something around there at the whole can and Monster List as being 130. Dude, this is 270. Whoa.

00:30:44.000 Yeah, these little bad boys are 270. God damn it, Tate. 1.00

00:30:46.000 You're trying to make me jump out of this chair. 1.00

00:30:50.000 Tate's trying to give people heart attacks.

00:30:55.000 Shout out to Tate Fletcher.

00:30:56.000 Shout out to Tate Fletcher and Caveman Coffee. 0.95

00:30:58.000 Yeah, people are weird with trends, right? 0.95

00:31:03.000 Like, whatever the fuck happened to acid-washed jeans? 0.92

00:31:05.000 I was thinking that the other day. 0.97

00:31:07.000 Like, people used to love acid-washed jeans.

00:31:09.000 Remember, they'd walk around with jeans with all splatters all over them.

00:31:12.000 And they're kind of making a bit of a comeback.

00:31:14.000 Are they?

00:31:14.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.000 Like fanny packs?

00:31:16.000 Yep.

00:31:16.000 And of the same.

00:31:17.000 You were ahead of the curve.

00:31:18.000 Way ahead of the curve.

00:31:19.000 I never left.

00:31:20.000 You're basically a late 80s pro wrestler.

00:31:23.000 Yeah, right?

00:31:24.000 Like Hulk Hogan.

00:31:25.000 Like Hulk Hogan.

00:31:27.000 Like, yeah.

00:31:28.000 Right here, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

00:31:29.000 This bitch never left my side. 1.00

00:31:31.000 All leather. 1.00

00:31:31.000 Never left my side. 1.00

00:31:32.000 This is real.

00:31:33.000 It was made from a bighorn sheep that you tracked down and shot with an arrow.

00:31:37.000 I wish.

00:31:38.000 I should get one made.

00:31:39.000 I've got these Axis deer hides out there.

00:31:40.000 I should get one turned into a fanny pack. 0.99

00:31:42.000 That'd be dope as fuck. 0.99

00:31:43.000 Leave the fur on it. 1.00

00:31:44.000 Fuck yeah, right? 1.00

00:31:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:31:47.000 Hope you don't get any ticks.

00:31:48.000 No, there's no tics on those.

00:31:50.000 I don't think they have tics in Hawaii.

00:31:52.000 Maybe they do.

00:31:53.000 I don't know.

00:31:55.000 It's weird.

00:31:55.000 But that's the thing about paradigms is you don't really realize when the paradigm is over until you're out of it.

00:32:02.000 Right.

00:32:02.000 And so we're in a paradigm now of some sort and it's easy to get lost in that and not be able to see outside it.

00:32:09.000 What do you think is happening now that will be ridiculed in the future?

00:32:15.000 Tough.

00:32:16.000 I mean, I didn't think that in a lot of ways we would end up to where we are at this point in so many of the social and cultural elements and that didn't even just specifically stay within the U.S. but seem to be bleeding throughout all of Western society and civilization at large.

00:32:34.000 I got one word.

00:32:36.000 Yeezys.

00:32:37.000 Yeezys? 0.99

00:32:38.000 Yeezys will be mocked. 1.00

00:32:40.000 But that's his shoe, right?

00:32:43.000 That's just for Jamie. 1.00

00:32:44.000 He loves those fucking things. 1.00

00:32:46.000 He bought me a pair. 1.00

00:32:47.000 I won't wear them.

00:32:48.000 I told him next time I go running in the creeks, I'm going to wear them. 0.99

00:32:53.000 Jamie loves these goddamn things. 0.99

00:32:55.000 Oh, okay. 0.99

00:32:56.000 I'm not the hippest.

00:32:58.000 I still haven't tried them on.

00:32:59.000 They still got the foam thing in there, bro.

00:33:00.000 Put them on.

00:33:01.000 Nope.

00:33:02.000 Yeezys? 0.99

00:33:02.000 Look at that. 0.99

00:33:03.000 Come on.

00:33:04.000 That looks like a sneaker from the 80s, right?

00:33:07.000 I wouldn't even say that.

00:33:08.000 What would you say?

00:33:09.000 Ah.

00:33:10.000 By the way, you're talking to a real man here.

00:33:12.000 That's fine.

00:33:13.000 You understand this?

00:33:15.000 Is that just like the bottom of a fucking... 0.99

00:33:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:18.000 He's liking him. 1.00

00:33:19.000 A real man.

00:33:20.000 He's liking him.

00:33:21.000 Is it one of those Styrofoam Coleman coolers?

00:33:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:24.000 That's the bottom part.

00:33:27.000 That's the Ultra Boost.

00:33:29.000 What is this? 1.00

00:33:30.000 This is like a glorified fucking water sock. 0.99

00:33:33.000 This is like the thing you see some doofus with those frog skin things on his glasses to keep him from falling off while he's wandering around in the, you know... 0.99

00:33:44.000 I don't want to get too wet.

00:33:45.000 So you wouldn't wear those?

00:33:46.000 No!

00:33:48.000 Weird, Jamie.

00:33:49.000 Here's what I wear.

00:33:50.000 Weird how manly men agree.

00:33:51.000 I wear these. 1.00

00:33:52.000 That's right, motherfucker. 1.00

00:33:53.000 I wear covers. 1.00

00:33:54.000 I wear Chuck Taylors.

00:33:55.000 Custom chucks. 1.00

00:33:56.000 Fuck yeah! 0.99

00:33:57.000 With my logo on the side, as drawn by Dan Panosian. 1.00

00:34:01.000 Look at that. 0.99

00:34:02.000 Skulls and shit like this. 0.98

00:34:03.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:34:03.000 Goddamn dirty, stinky chucks. 1.00

00:34:05.000 I wear black metal t-shirts. 1.00

00:34:06.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

00:34:07.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:34:08.000 See that?

00:34:08.000 Chucks.

00:34:09.000 Goddamn classics, Jamie. 1.00

00:34:10.000 Not this. 0.99

00:34:11.000 What is this? 0.99

00:34:12.000 What the fuck's going on here? 1.00

00:34:14.000 Comfort. 1.00

00:34:15.000 I bet they're comfortable as fuck. 1.00

00:34:17.000 They're like Crocs. 0.99

00:34:19.000 While I'm wearing them, I'm like, damn, I should probably put these on when no one's looking. 0.99

00:34:22.000 God damn. 1.00

00:34:24.000 Like you're just wearing Angelina Jolie's titties, right? 1.00

00:34:28.000 Big ass souls. 0.99

00:34:30.000 Yeah, they look comfortable. 0.98

00:34:33.000 I could see JP in some Yeezys.

00:34:36.000 What's that?

00:34:37.000 I could see JP in some Yeezys.

00:34:38.000 JP? Yeah, Jordan Peterson.

00:34:39.000 Jordan Peterson in some Yeezys?

00:34:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:41.000 I could see him wearing some atrocious sandals when no one's looking.

00:34:46.000 What are you wearing, man?

00:34:48.000 You'd have to talk to him.

00:34:50.000 Take those off.

00:34:51.000 With some wool socks on.

00:34:53.000 Yeah.

00:34:54.000 Some Tevas.

00:34:55.000 Jamie and I were talking about this the other day.

00:34:57.000 You're allowed to wear socks with slides.

00:35:00.000 You know, slides.

00:35:02.000 So there's no...

00:35:03.000 Right, there's no toe thing.

00:35:05.000 Who says?

00:35:07.000 Guys wear them all the time. 1.00

00:35:08.000 Fuck that noise. 1.00

00:35:12.000 The fuck is that about? 1.00

00:35:15.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:35:15.000 It's a thing, but you can't wear them with flip flops. 0.99

00:35:17.000 No, it's not allowed.

00:35:19.000 Guys wear them all the time.

00:35:20.000 No, keep your socks out of your sandals.

00:35:21.000 We were just in Vegas, and there was some basketball thing going on there.

00:35:25.000 There was a bunch of basketball players.

00:35:27.000 Half of them!

00:35:28.000 Half of them had slides with socks.

00:35:30.000 Here's the deal with that, though.

00:35:33.000 I can at least say as an athlete that maybe they've got their slides on because they're going to take those slides off and put their basketball shoes right on.

00:35:39.000 So for them, it's like I'm out of uniform at the moment.

00:35:44.000 But I'm ready to go to combat basketball-wise at any moment.

00:35:48.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:35:49.000 But in general, as far as a fashion trend, fuck that noise. 1.00

00:35:52.000 It looks ridiculous. 0.99

00:35:53.000 But it's a trend amongst rappers. 0.96

00:35:54.000 I see rappers wearing those things with socks.

00:35:57.000 It just looks like you just...

00:35:59.000 I don't know.

00:36:00.000 Like you're giving up?

00:36:01.000 Yeah, kind of.

00:36:02.000 Why don't you just wear sweatpants all day, too? 0.99

00:36:04.000 Like you're a dude with a wife beater with your gut hanging out of the bottom of it and you're just fucking kicking back. 1.00

00:36:08.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:36:09.000 I can't even bend over and tie my shoes. 1.00

00:36:11.000 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

00:36:12.000 I can't even clasp the Velcro on my Yeezys.

00:36:14.000 Yeah.

00:36:15.000 Yeah.

00:36:17.000 They don't have Velcro, do they? 0.97

00:36:19.000 Well, you know, I guess you don't need a real shoe if you throw on, you walk out with your socks on, you throw on your sliders and get on your hoverboard or fucking electric scooter. 0.96

00:36:31.000 Would you ever drive a Tesla? 0.98

00:36:33.000 I would drive a Tesla.

00:36:36.000 But, you know, I got one of my beefs, not with Teslas per se in any way, but I would say, be talking about cars with somebody out and about, and they'll...

00:36:46.000 We'll have some conversation and I'll bring up some car or talking about something like the Dodge.

00:36:52.000 Now it wasn't the Demon, when the Hellcat came out.

00:36:54.000 And so like, oh yeah, those Hellcats.

00:36:56.000 I've heard amazing things about how not only is it obviously incredibly powerful and fast, but that they're massively comfortable.

00:37:03.000 It's a GT car.

00:37:05.000 You could Grand Tour it all over the U.S. and be comfy the whole time.

00:37:08.000 Smooth riding car.

00:37:10.000 And they're like, oh, but what about the Tesla?

00:37:12.000 I'm like, um...

00:37:14.000 That's another $40,000 to $50,000 more.

00:37:17.000 Oh, it's almost...

00:37:18.000 I heard it's just fast.

00:37:19.000 If not faster, I go, if I'm paying over $100,000 for a car, it better be fast. 1.00

00:37:24.000 It better have all this shit. 0.99

00:37:27.000 And I would talk about certain other... 0.99

00:37:29.000 And a lot of times, my Firebird doesn't cost that much, dude.

00:37:33.000 I don't care if that Tesla wins. 1.00

00:37:35.000 You just spent $150,000 on a car.

00:37:38.000 Okay, but what if cost wasn't an option?

00:37:39.000 What if you were Elon Musk?

00:37:40.000 If I'm Elon Musk, I'm...

00:37:43.000 Well, God, I don't think he can not drive a Tesla. 1.00

00:37:45.000 If he's out there in a goddamn three-inch exhaust, 470, you know, big block Pontiac, people are like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:37:53.000 Yeah, he probably can't drive anything but Tesla. 1.00

00:37:55.000 Right.

00:37:55.000 Oh, what a trap.

00:37:57.000 Yeah, for real.

00:37:58.000 But for me, no.

00:37:59.000 I would rather drive a car.

00:38:03.000 I don't feel like electric cars have souls.

00:38:06.000 They don't have any.

00:38:07.000 There's like nothing that doesn't...

00:38:09.000 It's like beep, beep, boop, boop, boop, bop, and then the little printer comes out and it just doesn't do it for me.

00:38:15.000 Well, they're really cool, but at the end of the day, there's a problem.

00:38:19.000 The problem is it feels good to hear the rumble of an engine. 0.98

00:38:24.000 I mean, to fucking put that clutch in and pop that gear. 0.98

00:38:28.000 What is that? 0.99

00:38:29.000 Elon's two gas cars he owns.

00:38:32.000 Oh, a Jag. 1.00

00:38:34.000 That's an old school Jag. 1.00

00:38:36.000 That's a bad ass car. 0.54

00:38:38.000 He's got a little hard top.

00:38:39.000 It's probably a V12 actually.

00:38:41.000 Those are amazing.

00:38:44.000 Wow.

00:38:45.000 Oh, it's a Roadster.

00:38:46.000 Okay, so that top pops off.

00:38:48.000 Wow, that's a shape, man.

00:38:51.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

00:38:52.000 Yeah, that's incredible.

00:38:52.000 What year was that?

00:38:53.000 E-type.

00:38:54.000 Oh, wow, yeah.

00:38:56.000 Something in the 60s?

00:38:58.000 God, that's pretty.

00:38:59.000 67, yeah.

00:39:00.000 67. That's a gorgeous car.

00:39:02.000 Oh, it's so pretty.

00:39:03.000 Let me see that picture again.

00:39:04.000 Scroll down.

00:39:05.000 Oh, look at that.

00:39:08.000 Yeah, but there's something about the sound of combustion engines.

00:39:12.000 It's so magnetic.

00:39:14.000 Teslas are cool.

00:39:15.000 They're silent.

00:39:16.000 I'm sure they're incredibly comfortable.

00:39:18.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:39:19.000 And that pad, the big-ass iPad that you have where your navigation screen is, I mean, it is the shit. 0.95

00:39:25.000 Where you're driving and that thing, and you just ask it to play songs, and it pulls them up on Spotify. 0.96

00:39:30.000 Yeah.

00:39:31.000 I'm also a little weirded out by the over-electronic element of modern life. 0.77

00:39:36.000 I realize the usefulness of it, but I always think about when some shit goes south, I can't just fix it and we keep going.

00:39:46.000 Or if something goes bad, it could go bad in a lot of different ways and there's a chain of command of bad that it's all linked to that it could go to as well.

00:39:54.000 And so I'm just like, Plus, when you talk about engines, you start up your Porsche, you start up a Vette, you start up an LS motor, and then you start it up next to a big block Pontiac, you start it up next to a big block Ford, and everything has a different feel.

00:40:11.000 The different cam that's in it makes it sound different, makes it operate different.

00:40:14.000 The exhaust that's on it, everything changes.

00:40:18.000 Based on all kinds of different elements, and so the car, even of itself, not just the exterior of it, but the internals make it seem like a different vehicle.

00:40:26.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:40:27.000 Have you ever been around a Ferrari?

00:40:30.000 Not a ton, no, but I know they have.

00:40:33.000 They got this sound like...

00:40:34.000 They got their own...

00:40:37.000 Aston Martin is famous for having a very specific exhaust note.

00:40:43.000 There's sounds that they have.

00:40:44.000 It's like a celebration.

00:40:46.000 It's like, better not drive it too far because it's probably going to break.

00:40:50.000 Before the next 12 minutes, this is fantastic.

00:40:54.000 Nothing like it.

00:40:56.000 The way they sound.

00:40:56.000 I used to love Top Gear with Jeremy Clarkson.

00:41:00.000 Oh, it was a great show.

00:41:01.000 He's the best.

00:41:02.000 Whoever he punched, he said, sorry.

00:41:04.000 Do the show again.

00:41:06.000 Get over it. 1.00

00:41:06.000 What the fuck is wrong with you, BBC assholes? 1.00

00:41:08.000 Who can't take a punch nowadays, a punch, a slap? 1.00

00:41:10.000 It's what you were talking about earlier. 0.96

00:41:12.000 People are pussified. 0.99

00:41:13.000 They're pussified. 0.99

00:41:14.000 They're playing tough. 1.00

00:41:15.000 They're doing a goddamn car show with a bunch of men drinking booze. 1.00

00:41:19.000 You guys got in a fight, and you got hit. 1.00

00:41:22.000 Whoa, wait.

00:41:22.000 Take a little settlement.

00:41:24.000 Move on.

00:41:25.000 Give the man some paper. 0.91

00:41:25.000 Take an apology or even just say, hey, let me hit you one back. 0.91

00:41:28.000 Fine. 0.83

00:41:28.000 I wish I was there. 0.83

00:41:29.000 I would have said, Jeremy, how much money do you got?

00:41:31.000 What do you got in the bank?

00:41:32.000 60, 70 million dollars?

00:41:34.000 Give the man one.

00:41:35.000 Give the man a million.

00:41:36.000 People wanting to sort of live at parents' house for the rest of their life.

00:41:40.000 Except then it goes from being mom and dad to them being a state of some sort that does all your work for you.

00:41:45.000 Because you don't want to have to take the responsibility of either winning or losing that confrontation maybe.

00:41:50.000 Well, I think he just got punched. 1.00

00:41:51.000 I think Jeremy was a drunk asshole. 0.99

00:41:53.000 Well, maybe so, but even if it's on Jeremy, he could just go to me like, all right, dude, I get one on you. 1.00

00:42:00.000 And it's even.

00:42:01.000 We're done.

00:42:02.000 I move on with my life.

00:42:03.000 Right. 0.99

00:42:03.000 But what if the guy can fucking crack? 0.99

00:42:05.000 What if the guy hits like Paul Daly? 0.99

00:42:06.000 You shouldn't have fucking hit him then, huh? 0.98

00:42:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:08.000 You shouldn't have fucking hit him. 0.99

00:42:09.000 You shouldn't have hit him, period. 0.99

00:42:11.000 Well, that's the realm of people that don't practice martial arts.

00:42:15.000 Like, how many people get drunk and get in fistfights that actually know how to fight?

00:42:20.000 It's pretty small. 1.00

00:42:21.000 According to the internet, it's real small when you watch those fucking stupid street fight videos. 1.00

00:42:26.000 It's always people that don't have any idea what they're doing. 1.00

00:42:30.000 I'm always amazed at people's overestimation of what they can do with their body, especially when it pertains to animals, like what you would do if an animal was coming at you.

00:42:41.000 You know what my favorite thing to watch is?

00:42:43.000 One of my favorite things of the last couple weeks?

00:42:44.000 I gotta stop. 0.99

00:42:45.000 I watch fucking Running with the Bulls. 1.00

00:42:48.000 Oh, man. 1.00

00:42:49.000 When is that?

00:42:49.000 Is that in the spring?

00:42:50.000 That's actually this week, I think.

00:42:52.000 I have a bunch of friends over there that are going to do that.

00:42:53.000 Oh, no!

00:42:54.000 Call them.

00:42:55.000 Call them.

00:42:55.000 Tell them you love them.

00:42:58.000 Don't do it!

00:42:59.000 Don't do it!

00:43:00.000 Hey, let's get this two-ton animal. 1.00

00:43:04.000 I just don't think people understand, A, how strong those things are, and B, how shitty their body works. 0.93

00:43:10.000 People have this idea. 0.79

00:43:12.000 They come at me, bro. 0.99

00:43:12.000 I'm going to fucking just get out of the way. 0.99

00:43:14.000 I'll just sidestep it. 0.97

00:43:15.000 Meanwhile, you're on these slick, beer-soaked...

00:43:19.000 What is this, Jamie?

00:43:20.000 Oh, this is the end of it.

00:43:21.000 Is this right now?

00:43:22.000 It's the 6th or the 14th.

00:43:24.000 It's happening right now.

00:43:25.000 I can't believe it.

00:43:26.000 I've been watching videos.

00:43:28.000 I didn't know it was actually live.

00:43:29.000 This is on Instagram.

00:43:31.000 This isn't live. 0.99

00:43:31.000 This is so fucking insane. 0.99

00:43:34.000 This is so insane. 1.00

00:43:35.000 People are so insane.

00:43:36.000 And what if it gets a beat on you, and then all of a sudden they go, nope, you're the only one out of this entire crowd of 500 people right now that it wants to gore.

00:43:43.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:44.000 I mean, if it finds one that sits still, it's going to take its frustrations out.

00:43:48.000 And the crazy thing is, look how many people are there watching this. 0.98

00:43:51.000 They're watching these fools running around in the middle of this bullfighting thing. 1.00

00:43:56.000 They want to see someone get fucked up by a bull. 1.00

00:43:58.000 Have you ever watched a bullfight? 0.99

00:43:59.000 I have not.

00:44:00.000 I have seen plenty of clips, footage of it, what have you, but I've never watched a bullfight.

00:44:05.000 Yeah, I'm not interested.

00:44:06.000 It doesn't really do anything for me.

00:44:07.000 No.

00:44:07.000 I mean, I can...

00:44:09.000 Up until the point of killing it, okay, you want to go out there and dodge a bull? 0.92

00:44:15.000 Seems like a bad idea, but all right. 0.94

00:44:17.000 But then, all right, you've already proven that you can maneuver yourself out of the way. 0.94

00:44:22.000 No need to spear it and kill it.

00:44:24.000 It also seems to me that... 0.97

00:44:26.000 I know it's tradition.

00:44:27.000 I know it comes from a different era.

00:44:29.000 I understand that.

00:44:30.000 So I'm not going to sit here and just go railroading, bullfighting necessarily.

00:44:34.000 The Inquisition is tradition, too. 0.51

00:44:36.000 There's a lot of things.

00:44:37.000 It's pretty successful.

00:44:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:39.000 There's a lot of horrific traditions.

00:44:40.000 It just seems to me to be a...

00:44:43.000 A bastardization of our relationship with animals.

00:44:47.000 Like, even...

00:44:49.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with domesticated animals.

00:44:52.000 But obviously, factory farming is this disgusting aberration.

00:44:56.000 Why do it?

00:44:57.000 I mean, and there is no...

00:44:59.000 It's possible to have animals that are able to live a more natural way of life than it is to jam them into a cage and force feed them.

00:45:07.000 I don't know if it's possible to do it the way we've been doing it, though.

00:45:10.000 The real problem is the way we expect to be able to just go to Jack in the Box and get a burger.

00:45:15.000 Well, we eat too much meat.

00:45:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:17.000 In general, I think that your average person doesn't need to eat nearly as much fucking varieties of meat as they do. 0.99

00:45:25.000 They definitely need meat in their diet, I believe, on average. 0.97

00:45:29.000 Do you know about the carnivore diet?

00:45:31.000 Now, see, here's the thing.

00:45:32.000 I've been...

00:45:33.000 I heard you talking to...

00:45:36.000 You've talked a lot about it, and then Jordan Peterson and his daughter as well.

00:45:39.000 Well, I talked about it with Chris Bell first, who's been on it for...

00:45:43.000 I Think he's been on it for at least six months or so and he's having Radical improvements and one of the reasons that he's having improvements and then Jordan's having tremendous results and Jordan's daughter as well is arthritis.

00:45:59.000 Mm-hmm.

00:46:00.000 They all have arthritis like Chris Bell has two artificial hips and I don't doubt it. 0.78

00:46:06.000 Mark is smelly. 0.97

00:46:07.000 Mark is smelly. 1.00

00:46:08.000 Mark's the big one. 0.99

00:46:09.000 Chris is bore.

00:46:10.000 Chris bore, Bill.

00:46:12.000 And Chris is the one who produced Bigger, Stronger, Faster.

00:46:15.000 I met Chris.

00:46:16.000 I've actually never met Mark in person.

00:46:18.000 They're great guys.

00:46:19.000 Chris is a fantastic guy.

00:46:21.000 Always got his backward baseball cap on.

00:46:22.000 Yeah, they're both fantastic guys.

00:46:24.000 And really, really smart.

00:46:26.000 Chris has suffered from serious debilitating arthritis and pain in his joints his whole life.

00:46:33.000 Having a carnivore diet knocked it out for him.

00:46:36.000 It's the only thing.

00:46:37.000 I was familiar with the ketogenic diet and all that kind of stuff.

00:46:42.000 It works for me as well, to be honest, to eat that way. 1.00

00:46:45.000 My problem is my love affair with fucking breads. 1.00

00:46:49.000 It's a problem. 1.00

00:46:50.000 You're out there getting a coffee maybe in the morning and you're like, God damn, that looks like an amazing croissant right now. 0.96

00:46:54.000 You know how it looks even better in my face? 0.97

00:46:56.000 Do you like a chocolate croissant?

00:46:57.000 I do like chocolate croissants.

00:46:59.000 You know who's got the best ones?

00:47:01.000 Coffee bean. 1.00

00:47:02.000 Those Starbucks ones can suck my dick. 1.00

00:47:04.000 You know what? 1.00

00:47:04.000 I don't eat croissants. 1.00

00:47:05.000 I'm a Seattle guy, but I don't eat Starbucks croissants.

00:47:08.000 You don't?

00:47:09.000 No.

00:47:09.000 They're terrible.

00:47:09.000 They used to be okay.

00:47:10.000 They used to be pretty good.

00:47:11.000 You know when they went south and they started putting them in plastic bags?

00:47:14.000 They give them to you and they're already sealed up in a plastic bag?

00:47:17.000 Bleh.

00:47:18.000 Mm-mm.

00:47:18.000 No.

00:47:19.000 See, the ones at Coffee Bean have way more chocolate in them.

00:47:21.000 They're thick.

00:47:22.000 If you're going to go deep, go deep.

00:47:24.000 That's what I say.

00:47:25.000 I go to the non-chain coffee shops, like Coffee and Food and Coffee Commissary.

00:47:32.000 There's a place down the street here, a Russian bakery. 0.99

00:47:35.000 They have these chocolate croissants that will knock your dick right into the dirt. 0.99

00:47:39.000 I can bet. 0.99

00:47:40.000 They're thick, rich, and delicious.

00:47:43.000 Yeah, I'll travel for them.

00:47:45.000 They've got good coffee, too.

00:47:47.000 But if I stick to eating in a more ketogenic way, I feel better.

00:47:53.000 My joints hurt less.

00:47:55.000 I lose fat easier.

00:47:56.000 But I still can put on muscle mass.

00:48:00.000 It is a better way for me to eat.

00:48:01.000 And I don't know if there is something about our genetic makeups.

00:48:05.000 Say me, you, JP. We probably have some crossover similarity there.

00:48:09.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:48:10.000 I don't know if there's anything to do with that.

00:48:11.000 I just know that it's been useful to me.

00:48:15.000 And I've seen it be, you know, that's the way you eat.

00:48:18.000 I've seen, I've heard Jordan talk about his daughter and how useful it's been for her.

00:48:22.000 She's another one. 1.00

00:48:24.000 I mean, she's had her ankle replaced, her hip replaced.

00:48:26.000 She has like an autoimmune thing, right? 0.99

00:48:28.000 As does he.

00:48:28.000 It's the same exact issue.

00:48:30.000 And an autoimmune issue is also what this radical arthritis is.

00:48:35.000 I mean, there's so many people have these issues.

00:48:37.000 And these are isolated incidences, isolated issues that people have.

00:48:42.000 But I know people that thrive on vegetarian diets.

00:48:45.000 They have no problem with it.

00:48:46.000 Yeah.

00:48:46.000 I think vegetarian is the way to go for a lot of people that are thinking about being vegan.

00:48:51.000 Don't be scared of eggs, folks.

00:48:52.000 Just get eggs. 0.92

00:48:53.000 Eggs are good for you.

00:48:54.000 Eggs are great for you. 1.00

00:48:55.000 All this fucking PETA propaganda where they call them chicken periods. 1.00

00:48:59.000 Look, if you don't want to kill animals, I get it. 1.00

00:49:01.000 I get it.

00:49:01.000 I love animals.

00:49:03.000 Get free-range eggs. 1.00

00:49:05.000 You can get them at the fucking farmer's market and they have a dark orange yolk and they're fucking great for you. 0.99

00:49:11.000 They're amazing. 0.99

00:49:11.000 And the chickens don't even notice they're gone. 0.99

00:49:13.000 They don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:49:14.000 No, chickens are going to have eggs no matter what. 1.00

00:49:16.000 They just lay them. 0.99

00:49:17.000 Unless there's a rooster there to fertilize it, they're just going to fucking lay eggs. 1.00

00:49:22.000 Yeah, it's just free food. 0.98

00:49:23.000 It's like a gift that they give you for taking care of them.

00:49:26.000 I used to own chickens.

00:49:28.000 I had six eggs this morning for breakfast.

00:49:30.000 They're incredible.

00:49:31.000 They're thicker and heavier.

00:49:33.000 It's actually good for you.

00:49:35.000 And of all things, one of their favorite little snacks, something that they just absolutely love, eggs. 0.99

00:49:42.000 Yeah, they'll fuck up an egg. 0.99

00:49:43.000 Chickens love scrambled eggs. 1.00

00:49:45.000 Yeah, you know what they really love?

00:49:46.000 They love shells. 1.00

00:49:47.000 They love to fuck up eggshells. 1.00

00:49:49.000 Yeah, and eggshells, yeah. 0.99

00:49:50.000 You know what they love more than that?

00:49:51.000 Mice.

00:49:53.000 Mice, lizards. 1.00

00:49:53.000 They'll fuck our mouths up. 1.00

00:49:55.000 They're vicious little fuckers, yeah. 1.00

00:49:56.000 But you know what they don't fuck with? 1.00

00:49:57.000 Squirrels. 0.99

00:49:58.000 Well, they're a little big.

00:49:59.000 Yeah, but they just don't even try.

00:50:01.000 Like, squirrel's like a rat.

00:50:03.000 You know, it's basically a rat.

00:50:04.000 Everybody loves squirrels.

00:50:06.000 Even chickens.

00:50:07.000 It's that bushy tail.

00:50:08.000 It's crazy.

00:50:08.000 That bushy tail's all you needed.

00:50:10.000 That cute haircut.

00:50:11.000 Just a little snap and a wink and...

00:50:13.000 Ah.

00:50:14.000 Yeah.

00:50:15.000 Well, I had four chickens, and one time there was a little miniature chihuahua or a little mini dachshund, maybe?

00:50:23.000 It was a minpin, and it got into the yard and ended up in the backyard, and the four chickens cornered it and wouldn't let it leave.

00:50:35.000 And so it's back there whining and yelping and eventually my ex at the time went and caught the dog and then tried to figure out whose it was and what have you.

00:50:44.000 And it turned out it was chipped, I think, and it got given somewhere where someone could then track them down. 1.00

00:50:50.000 But it was just hilarious that these chickens were like, fuck you, motherfucker, you're in the wrong place. 1.00

00:50:53.000 You know who else loves squirrels? 1.00

00:50:55.000 My dog.

00:50:58.000 That's a different animal altogether.

00:51:01.000 Marshall.

00:51:01.000 They hardly ever catch him, though.

00:51:03.000 He got that one.

00:51:05.000 It was like this sweet golden retriever, this kind dog who loves everybody. 0.98

00:51:10.000 Yeah, he likes fucking up squirrels too. 0.95

00:51:12.000 Well, the problem is the squirrels go into the chicken coop. 0.97

00:51:15.000 They'll find a way into the chicken coop and they steal all the chicken's food. 0.99

00:51:17.000 And Marshall just decided to wait outside the chicken coop because he knew where the hole was.

00:51:22.000 He's just sitting there and boom! 1.00

00:51:24.000 Snatched that motherfucker. 1.00

00:51:25.000 And then just with the biggest sheet-eating grin on his face. 1.00

00:51:28.000 Yeah, Mrs. Rogan does not like the squirrels. 1.00

00:51:30.000 She doesn't like the squirrels getting into the chicken food.

00:51:32.000 To me, I feel like we just buy more chicken food.

00:51:34.000 The poor little squirrels out there hustling.

00:51:36.000 It's a hard life being a squirrel.

00:51:38.000 It is.

00:51:38.000 Ducking coyotes.

00:51:40.000 Just trying to get by. 0.56

00:51:42.000 Trying to live your life.

00:51:43.000 They're out there.

00:51:44.000 All this peer pressure from all these other squirrels.

00:51:46.000 They start smoking young. 0.99

00:51:47.000 Yeah, they find this sweet spot where all these fucking nuts and all this grain is. 1.00

00:51:52.000 Like, this is amazing. 0.99

00:51:53.000 Yeah, there's issues with squirrel gang activity. 0.97

00:51:55.000 You know when they fucked up, though? 0.92

00:51:56.000 What's that? 0.99

00:51:56.000 They started stealing eggs. 0.99

00:51:58.000 They steal eggs. 0.99

00:51:59.000 These cunts were trying to roll eggs out of the chicken coop. 1.00

00:52:02.000 That's when she got mad. 0.98

00:52:04.000 I had no idea that squirrels ate eggs.

00:52:07.000 Then we started finding videos online.

00:52:08.000 Jamie pulled up a bunch of videos of squirrels rolling chicken eggs out of a chicken coop.

00:52:12.000 I've never heard of that either.

00:52:13.000 Yeah, they do. 1.00

00:52:15.000 The motherfuckers, we have egg boxes. 1.00

00:52:17.000 They're elevated egg boxes, okay? 1.00

00:52:19.000 The egg boxes are like two and a half, three feet off the ground.

00:52:21.000 The squirrels got up into the egg box, got the egg, chucked it out of the egg box, lands on the ground.

00:52:26.000 They're getting it and they're rolling the egg. 1.00

00:52:28.000 Oh, they're clever little fuckers. 1.00

00:52:30.000 Sneaky. 1.00

00:52:31.000 And they're cute, so they're like, I can get away with anything.

00:52:33.000 They do get away with more.

00:52:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:35.000 Like, rats must be like, what in the fuck, man? 1.00

00:52:37.000 This is bullshit. 1.00

00:52:38.000 We're smart as shit. 1.00

00:52:39.000 Way smarter. 1.00

00:52:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:41.000 And yet, people fucking want to just stab us left and right. 0.99

00:52:44.000 Yeah, there's no industry for squirrel killing. 0.99

00:52:47.000 No, not really.

00:52:48.000 Maybe in the Deep South, and that's not an industry.

00:52:50.000 There's a lot of guys out there that get their mortgages paid by killing rats.

00:52:53.000 Like, they're driving around in a nice car from killing rats all day.

00:52:56.000 Yeah.

00:52:58.000 There's no one.

00:52:59.000 And nobody cared.

00:53:00.000 Nobody feels bad.

00:53:01.000 Like, oh, I'm an exterminator.

00:53:02.000 We're all racist when it comes to certain animals and bugs, right?

00:53:05.000 People collect butterflies.

00:53:08.000 Stomp roaches.

00:53:08.000 Everybody stomps roaches and swats mosquitoes.

00:53:11.000 Yeah, well, fuck mosquitoes. 1.00

00:53:13.000 Those things, they will give you, you know, all kinds of diseases and shit. 1.00

00:53:17.000 Dengue fever, malaria. 0.99

00:53:18.000 The only part of a mosquito's life I enjoy or think is interesting is when they're larva and they're these fucking vicious little things with these giant hooked teeth That can't even eat little fish and all that kind of stuff in the ponds. 0.90

00:53:31.000 Dude, when I first moved to California, I rented this house in Encino and nobody lived in it for like a year and a half, two years, something like that. 0.92

00:53:38.000 And they had a pool in the backyard that was just sitting there with no chemicals in it.

00:53:45.000 It wasn't just green.

00:53:46.000 There was schools of mosquito larva swimming around like fish.

00:53:50.000 I went out into the yard. 0.99

00:53:52.000 I was like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

00:53:53.000 And the guy was like, oh, we'll take care of that. 0.99

00:53:54.000 I go, what is that?

00:53:56.000 How do you take care of that? 1.00

00:53:57.000 He goes, you poison the shit out of that water. 0.99

00:54:00.000 You just pour bleach into it, yeah. 0.99

00:54:01.000 Well, the first thing you do is you bleach it.

00:54:02.000 Then you've got to drain it. 1.00

00:54:05.000 Scoop all that shit out. 1.00

00:54:06.000 Yeah, you gotta drain all that water out. 1.00

00:54:08.000 They had to bring a machine, and then they had to clean all the bottom of the pool.

00:54:14.000 It was all green and funky.

00:54:15.000 But the crazy thing is, they were moving through the water.

00:54:19.000 You know how you see those big flocks of birds?

00:54:21.000 Yes.

00:54:22.000 And they all move together?

00:54:23.000 They were doing that in the water. 0.99

00:54:25.000 There was fucking thousands of them. 0.99

00:54:27.000 It was crazy. 1.00

00:54:28.000 Good thing they didn't grow legs. 0.99

00:54:29.000 Oh, it would have been a real problem.

00:54:30.000 It would have been a real problem if they got out and started flying around. 0.99

00:54:33.000 I would have got fucked up. 0.90

00:54:34.000 There's a meme out there, and I think it's a picture, and it's repeated on the bottom as well, of a PETA billboard. 0.99

00:54:45.000 And it's got these animals all standing in a line, and it says, where do you draw the line between food and friend or whatever.

00:54:53.000 And then someone else has, and they've got the same thing down there, and it's like, you know, this is normal food, there's a catastrophic event, apocalypse.

00:55:04.000 I've seen that.

00:55:05.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

00:55:06.000 Yeah.

00:55:07.000 Well, you know, being a vegetarian or a vegan is a very, it's a very first world option.

00:55:12.000 The reason why people got to this point is because we figured out a way to survive eating all the animals around us, just like they figured out a way to survive eating the animals around them.

00:55:22.000 Well, any of the arguments that, oh, this culture is mostly vegetarian or this or that.

00:55:26.000 And it's like, okay, well, it's also highly based on what was available.

00:55:31.000 They didn't just say, I don't want to hurt the animals.

00:55:34.000 Well, the only people that did is the Hindu. 0.99

00:55:36.000 Hindus are fascinating.

00:55:38.000 And there's a lot of speculation as to what caused that.

00:55:40.000 Historically, a pretty developed civilization at certain points in time in comparison to the rest of the world.

00:55:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:46.000 I mean, you go back and read the Bhagavad Gita.

00:55:48.000 I mean, they had some really complex philosophy.

00:55:51.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:55:52.000 Really interesting thoughts about the universe, but a lot of people believe that that was due to psychedelic drugs and one of the reasons why they believed they had this interesting relationship with cattle but not with lamb was because cattle shit would grow magic mushrooms on it.

00:56:08.000 This is Because Soma is a big part of ancient Hindu folklore and their religion and their ancient texts.

00:56:18.000 They talk about Soma.

00:56:19.000 And Soma was some sort of a psychedelic mixture.

00:56:23.000 And they don't know exactly what it was.

00:56:25.000 But they know that Hindus, like a lot of the ancient Hindu texts, they deal with some sacraments.

00:56:34.000 And they know that they were into hash.

00:56:37.000 And, like, a lot of the yogis, the sadhus, they're into chillums.

00:56:40.000 They smoke chillums of hash.

00:56:42.000 So they knew they were into hash. 0.66

00:56:44.000 But they think that their aversion to eating cows may have had something to do with the fact that these cows would shit, and then the mushrooms would grow out of cow shit, and then they would eat these mushrooms and have these profound experiences.

00:56:57.000 And so they thought of these cows as conduits to God. 0.65

00:57:01.000 Right.

00:57:01.000 But then there's also they probably drank the milk and they probably used them to plow the fields to grow their food.

00:57:10.000 So it's interesting because when a culture has an aversion to eating a very specific animal and that specific animal also is the main source of psychedelic mushrooms, to ignore that connection seems a little bit weird.

00:57:23.000 I don't think it's arbitrary.

00:57:24.000 I think it's something that would be worth investigating, right?

00:57:29.000 Why not?

00:57:30.000 And worst case scenario, you come down to you have to figure out something else.

00:57:33.000 Look at Shiva.

00:57:36.000 You see that picture of Shiva?

00:57:38.000 Six arms.

00:57:39.000 Six arms and Shiva standing on like a little – it looks like a baby. 0.90

00:57:43.000 And I always – I have a giant bronze Shiva in my house.

00:57:47.000 And when I bought it, the lady said, this Shiva is standing on ignorance.

00:57:53.000 This is what it's supposed to be.

00:57:54.000 I go, I thought ignorance would be way bigger than that.

00:57:58.000 It felt like ignorance would be like a dragon and Shiva was fighting.

00:58:02.000 It was much larger than him. 0.99

00:58:03.000 But that thing that Shiva's doing, that's what happens when you trip your balls off. 0.96

00:58:10.000 If you trip balls and you start moving your arms around, I would think Josh Barnett's got six arms! 0.98

00:58:15.000 This is crazy!

00:58:16.000 I mean, there's so much of ancient Hindu artwork that is...

00:58:21.000 I thought they were just fanning a bad fart.

00:58:24.000 Could be that.

00:58:25.000 Could be that.

00:58:25.000 It's like, Jesus.

00:58:26.000 All the fire around it?

00:58:27.000 Maybe that's what it is.

00:58:28.000 They're lighting matches?

00:58:29.000 But the, like, ancient Hindu art, there's this iconography, there's, like, these iconic imagery, this iconic imagery that you see when you do psychedelics.

00:58:40.000 You see a lot of this stuff, particularly on mushrooms for some reason.

00:58:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:58:44.000 You'll see, like, ancient Hindu and sometimes ancient Egyptian shit, too. 0.99

00:58:49.000 Well, I know, you know, you can see, you'll see geometric shapes appear out of, and, you know, to me, I'm just like, well, that's just what you see when you're poisoned. 0.96

00:58:58.000 But it's an interesting way of looking at it.

00:59:01.000 But it's not poison.

00:59:02.000 That's the thing about it.

00:59:03.000 The way it's affecting the way you're processing it.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, perturbance of your visual cortex.

00:59:09.000 Yeah, but it's not poison.

00:59:10.000 That's the crazy thing.

00:59:12.000 It's like the LD50 of mushrooms, it's almost impossible to eat yourself to death.

00:59:16.000 You'd have to eat your own body weight.

00:59:17.000 You would get way too stuffed. 1.00

00:59:20.000 Put them inside those fucking croissants, those chocolate croissants. 1.00

00:59:25.000 Now you're talking. 1.00

00:59:26.000 That might be the move. 1.00

00:59:27.000 Kill somebody with mushrooms. 0.99

00:59:28.000 That's a term that has continued to go throughout. 0.75

00:59:32.000 Yeah, it's like a sleeping pill now, right?

00:59:34.000 Yeah, and then it was also a major element within Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

00:59:39.000 Well, I think that was based on that.

00:59:41.000 Probably so.

00:59:42.000 I'm firmly of a belief that what we're living in is not a...

00:59:47.000 Orwellian potential dystopic future.

00:59:49.000 We're living in a Huxley version because Huxley and Orwell saw it from two different ways.

00:59:54.000 And Orwell was more of the, there would be force and violence and direct suppression of individuals and groups and retrain.

01:00:06.000 Now there is thought policing and, you know, even though they call them Equity, diversity, whatever departments.

01:00:14.000 I mean, there are people that are there to, you know, they have these cabals that try to force everybody to be in line, but they're not necessarily gassing folks or beating on them or what have you, shock therapy.

01:00:27.000 However, Huxley's version of how this would all go badly was that Everybody would be so comfortable, that there would be so much luxury and pleasure, and that you would just not fight back.

01:00:42.000 Anything that they would try to impart upon you, the way they would get you to do it, is just make your life even softer and even easier.

01:00:50.000 Yeah, Huxley was right in that regard.

01:00:51.000 And also, there's so little danger in the world, and so little real drama, that we look for drama.

01:00:59.000 Of course.

01:01:00.000 We look for it all over the place, and that's absolutely what's going on.

01:01:03.000 Most of the world very very safe, especially for at least for us in West in the First World nations.

01:01:08.000 There's something that Dave Rubin tweeted today.

01:01:11.000 See if you could find this.

01:01:12.000 It's real reason that the mayor of Durham apparently said something about Jordan Peterson that Jordan Peterson is not welcome in Durham, North Carolina.

01:01:27.000 Because of his transphobic and racist views.

01:01:30.000 What? 0.62

01:01:31.000 I can't read that, man.

01:01:33.000 Can you make that a little larger? 1.00

01:01:35.000 What a fucking misrepresented person Jordan Peterson has become. 0.99

01:01:40.000 It's gotta be blatant. 1.00

01:01:41.000 It's very strange.

01:01:42.000 We believe that Durham is a place for all of us.

01:01:44.000 Black, white, Asian, Latinx.

01:01:46.000 Oh, I like how you went Latinx instead of Latino. 0.99

01:01:49.000 Because if you say Latinx, it's like Latina, Latino. 0.74

01:01:53.000 You get it?

01:01:54.000 All the Latinos. 0.95

01:01:54.000 I'm not taking any chances. 0.95

01:01:56.000 Indigenous and mixed race, trans and cis.

01:01:59.000 Cis isn't the real word. 0.99

01:02:00.000 You're getting crazy, Mayor. 1.00

01:02:02.000 Gay and lesbian, queer and straight. 1.00

01:02:04.000 This is the thing.

01:02:05.000 Queer doesn't cover all of it anymore? 0.87

01:02:07.000 What is queer?

01:02:08.000 What is queer?

01:02:09.000 I'm always confused by that.

01:02:11.000 It's got a very open, vague term.

01:02:13.000 I mean, maybe there is some sort of accepted standard for what defines queer versus gay and lesbian.

01:02:21.000 What about asexual?

01:02:22.000 Is that alright?

01:02:23.000 How come he didn't put that in?

01:02:25.000 Asexual people, you should march.

01:02:26.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:02:27.000 Now they're fucked. 1.00

01:02:28.000 Attack. 1.00

01:02:29.000 Yeah, the asexual activist lobby is coming.

01:02:31.000 Those who seek to exclude or deny the humanity of others will find no comfort here.

01:02:35.000 That's an interesting...

01:02:36.000 That's always an interesting statement that people like to make.

01:02:38.000 Deny the humanity.

01:02:40.000 Like, who said that you...

01:02:41.000 Who's denying your humanity? 1.00

01:02:42.000 Even assholes, right? 1.00

01:02:44.000 I mean, even someone that's just a prick. 1.00

01:02:45.000 It's like, they can't... 0.62

01:02:47.000 You just heard it and responded to it.

01:02:49.000 You're living the life that you want to live.

01:02:51.000 How can they deny your humanity?

01:02:53.000 Look at this.

01:02:54.000 We wish to emphasize that a person's right to free speech does not include the right to a platform or an audience.

01:03:00.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:03:01.000 You can't deny that people are listening to him and enjoy his work.

01:03:06.000 But if you're going to make these broad statements, you have to have some sort of evidence to back up what you're saying.

01:03:12.000 I know Jordan Peterson, and he's definitely not a racist.

01:03:16.000 No.

01:03:16.000 He's definitely not transphobic or homophobic or any of those things.

01:03:20.000 He was against compelled speech.

01:03:22.000 Yes.

01:03:22.000 State-compelled speech.

01:03:24.000 State-compelled speech, meaning that there was a bunch of different words that they were forcing people to use that were these new gender pronouns.

01:03:33.000 And they were compelling.

01:03:34.000 Right.

01:03:34.000 And they have human rights councils in Canada, and he's a clinical psychologist, and he's very well-read, and he understands Marxism and all the pitfalls.

01:03:46.000 Postmodernism and neo-Marxism and its evolution from classical Marxism and how it's been influenced, the difference between emphasizing the superstructure over the base.

01:03:55.000 Yeah.

01:03:55.000 This is just virtue signaling in its worst form.

01:03:58.000 I am very, very familiar with JP's work.

01:04:01.000 He actually sent me a copy of his book through Twitter.

01:04:04.000 Oh, that's amazing.

01:04:05.000 Which was fantastic.

01:04:06.000 But the way I came across Jordan Peterson was that as a big fan of Nietzsche and his philosophical writings.

01:04:13.000 So I'd go on YouTube to see if I could find lectures on Nietzsche.

01:04:16.000 And in his Maps of Meaning lectures, and this is before any of the issues with BLC-16, really, I didn't know about any of that.

01:04:24.000 I was just listening to Jordan Peterson lectures because of him referencing and talking about Nietzsche.

01:04:29.000 And so – and then from Nietzsche to Dostoyevsky and all this.

01:04:32.000 And he then started to talk a lot about Marxism and communism and postmodernism in reference to each other in other ways.

01:04:40.000 And then the C-16 stuff and then I was living with a Marxist for a while.

01:04:44.000 So I started – Were you really?

01:04:45.000 Yes.

01:04:46.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:04:47.000 Yeah, it was not fun.

01:04:48.000 But at the same time, I had to try to understand what – the arguments that were being made and why.

01:04:55.000 And so you got to go research them.

01:04:57.000 So if someone says, "Oh, Oh, the wage gap, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:05:02.000 And I'm like, okay, well, I guess I need to look up the research on what that is.

01:05:06.000 Then you come back and you go, oh, well, that's actually not an apples for apples comparison and it's not 70 cents on the dollar.

01:05:12.000 And you just go into it and then they just look at you and they go, No.

01:05:16.000 It's like, what's your source?

01:05:18.000 Well, this thing.

01:05:20.000 I read that source.

01:05:21.000 It doesn't talk about education level, job for job, hours work.

01:05:26.000 I mean, no one's saying that things couldn't be better.

01:05:29.000 Yeah, people who haven't heard this argument before, when you hear about the wage gap, the gender wage gap, it's not people doing the same job.

01:05:37.000 This is the best way to say it.

01:05:39.000 It's not people doing the same job, and it's not people working the same hours.

01:05:42.000 The reason why men make more money is they do different jobs. 0.94

01:05:44.000 Now, are those jobs more difficult for women to get is the real question. 1.00

01:05:47.000 Some of them, I imagine they are, perhaps.

01:05:50.000 I mean, I never doubt that there is a potential sexism or any sort of ism to some degree in something.

01:05:56.000 There's sexism coming from both sides of the tracks, too, by the way. 0.98

01:05:59.000 How many women want to be working on a fucking oil rig out in the middle of or doing pipelines up in frozen South North Dakota or something? 1.00

01:06:08.000 And how many of them are physically capable of doing the work, too? 0.99

01:06:11.000 Right.

01:06:11.000 Which isn't a woman's fault at all.

01:06:13.000 I wouldn't hold it against anybody.

01:06:15.000 And if they did not want to choose to do that kind of employment, there's nothing wrong with that either.

01:06:21.000 If a woman wanted to go off and make... 1.00

01:06:24.000 Artisan soap, right? 0.99

01:06:26.000 That motherfucker could make the best soap with essential oils that are the best for how you use defense soap stuff. 1.00

01:06:33.000 If that was a woman that came and created all that, that's a valuable, respectable, fantastic thing that they just made. 0.99

01:06:40.000 It doesn't require physical strength.

01:06:42.000 Anybody can do that.

01:06:43.000 Don't diminish the compliments of someone else just because it doesn't fit what you think is Well, the problem is when we get into teams, man.

01:06:49.000 I mean, toxic tribalism is the real problem.

01:06:51.000 The real problem is people get into teams, whether it's male versus female, and this mayor of Durham guaranteed it's a Democrat. 0.67

01:06:57.000 Well, it's weaponizing.

01:06:58.000 A lot of this stuff is weaponized.

01:07:00.000 So most of the stuff about the patriarchy, which I'm also in agreeance with Jordan Peterson, you know, that doesn't exist.

01:07:07.000 That's not the way the human history has rolled out.

01:07:11.000 I don't buy that at all.

01:07:13.000 Or the wage gap.

01:07:14.000 These are weaponized things.

01:07:16.000 They use them in a weaponized way to try and destroy your argument or your position or your way of being.

01:07:23.000 It's a weaponized...

01:07:24.000 They diminish your point of view by saying, oh, it's your white privilege talking.

01:07:27.000 Something like that.

01:07:27.000 Josh, you have a lot of white privilege, too, dude.

01:07:29.000 I am so white. 0.94

01:07:30.000 You're a big white guy, too.

01:07:31.000 I am very, very white.

01:07:33.000 With a red beard.

01:07:34.000 Yeah, dude.

01:07:35.000 Yeah, from the Pacific Northwest.

01:07:36.000 How much more white can you get? 0.84

01:07:38.000 You can't get any white. 1.00

01:07:39.000 If I get any whiter, I'm going to be wearing fucking Birkenstocks with socks on. 1.00

01:07:44.000 You should shave your privilege. 1.00

01:07:46.000 Man bun.

01:07:46.000 You should have a man bun.

01:07:48.000 Wow.

01:07:48.000 Man bun is a bolder ponytail.

01:07:50.000 But these terms are used in conflict.

01:07:56.000 And why wouldn't they be?

01:07:58.000 Because most of the source material, the creation of these sort of ideological viewpoints are from postmodernist neo-Marxism.

01:08:06.000 And it's all based...

01:08:07.000 It's based on the concept of conflict theory.

01:08:09.000 So there's always going to be an oppressor and an oppressed.

01:08:12.000 So if what you are doing is trying to argue with or even just make your case to someone who's an oppressor, well, it would be weaponized because as far as you're concerned, everything they do is weaponized against you.

01:08:25.000 So you've already chosen a confrontational position.

01:08:29.000 Trevor Burrus There's also a problem with people wanting to be right.

01:08:33.000 Yeah, that's human nature.

01:08:35.000 Also, whether it's someone who's a post-modernist or someone who's a staunch conservative, people go into any discussion with a pre-supposed or they have a pre-ordained or they have a collected group of ideas that they have attached themselves to.

01:08:53.000 Correct.

01:08:53.000 And they do not want to let those go.

01:08:55.000 No.

01:08:55.000 And you have yours and I have mine.

01:08:56.000 It's very difficult for people to just talk.

01:08:59.000 Very difficult for people to just someone to lay out their position and someone else to lay out their position and two people to like cordially discuss the merits of each position with an open mind.

01:09:10.000 It happens so rarely and it's something I try so hard to do and it's something that it took me years to cultivate the mindset To not have these pre-existing ideas, or if I do have them, don't attach myself to them, and be ready to abandon them at any moment, under new evidence.

01:09:32.000 Sure, and there's no problem in saying, okay, well, I believe A and you believe B, and we both believe them to be correct.

01:09:43.000 Tell me why A is incorrect.

01:09:46.000 Or better yet, tell me why you believe what you believe.

01:09:49.000 Right.

01:09:49.000 You know, give me some reason.

01:09:51.000 Give me something.

01:09:52.000 And let's find if those facts are real.

01:09:55.000 Right.

01:09:56.000 And I used to, you know, I'd have these conversations with, and this person used to, that I was...

01:10:02.000 Living with, I would say, they're like, well, you just always have to be right.

01:10:05.000 I go, no, no, no.

01:10:06.000 I don't have to be right.

01:10:07.000 But if you're going to make a claim, you're going to have to defend your argument, and I'll defend mine.

01:10:11.000 But ultimately, I don't care if I'm wrong, because being wrong only means that I can then perhaps work towards a way of having the most understanding that I can have.

01:10:20.000 We, as human beings, are wrong so much more than we're ever right.

01:10:24.000 But by being wrong, by making mistakes, it's like through martial arts, by being on the mats, And, you know, I'm going to get this guy's ankle right now. 0.97

01:10:33.000 Ah, fuck that up. 0.99

01:10:34.000 Ah, fuck that up. 0.99

01:10:35.000 Oh, I got caught. 1.00

01:10:36.000 Ah, fuck that up. 0.99

01:10:37.000 You can't get to the point to where you're like, oh, this is how you set it up. 0.99

01:10:41.000 This is the way that you can...

01:10:43.000 I wasn't securing the knee well enough, so it was always sliding out of position.

01:10:46.000 I couldn't, you know, keep the leg framed in such a position where when I applied my hold, the pressure went for the joint that I needed it to.

01:10:53.000 None of that happens until you make mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake.

01:10:58.000 And there's nothing wrong with before moving forward on something to sit back and to study a little bit and to try and understand somewhat of the landscape.

01:11:08.000 But eventually the only thing you can do is you just got to go, right?

01:11:12.000 Paralysis through analysis isn't going to help you either.

01:11:14.000 Well, I lived a good portion of my life wanting to be right always.

01:11:19.000 Sure.

01:11:20.000 And it's a toxic mindset.

01:11:21.000 It's terrible for you.

01:11:22.000 It's terrible for you because you don't grow, and then you have to live in denial, and then you have to always tell yourself that you were right and they were wrong, even if you get out-debated, or even if you're faced with new evidence, you try to ignore that new evidence.

01:11:35.000 Mm-hmm.

01:11:36.000 I know the mindset.

01:11:37.000 I lived in it for many, many years.

01:11:38.000 It's easy to be in.

01:11:39.000 It's an easy place to be in.

01:11:40.000 It's normal.

01:11:41.000 It's hard to relax yourself and just realize that you are not facts.

01:11:47.000 You are not your ideas.

01:11:49.000 You are not your opinions.

01:11:50.000 You are you. 1.00

01:11:51.000 And if you attach yourself to these opinions, these ideas, it's a fucking trap. 0.99

01:11:58.000 Here's something I know for a fact. 0.99

01:12:00.000 This wood is hard. 1.00

01:12:01.000 If I've hit this wood with my knuckles, this shit's hard. 1.00

01:12:04.000 If it dropped on you, it would hurt. 1.00

01:12:05.000 These are undeniable facts.

01:12:07.000 And there's a gang of those that you have in the world.

01:12:11.000 There's a gang of undeniable facts.

01:12:12.000 That's what I call operational objectivity.

01:12:14.000 Yeah.

01:12:15.000 Whether or not Marxism can be successfully implemented in a large scale with a sensitive, compassionate group of human beings that all live together.

01:12:25.000 Whew.

01:12:26.000 Can it?

01:12:26.000 I don't know.

01:12:27.000 Doesn't seem to be.

01:12:28.000 Yeah, well, I don't know, though.

01:12:29.000 See what I'm saying?

01:12:30.000 Like, this is a...

01:12:31.000 It hasn't been done before.

01:12:33.000 Socialism never really worked.

01:12:34.000 But can it work?

01:12:35.000 The argument that it can't work seems to me...

01:12:39.000 That doesn't make any sense either.

01:12:40.000 Like, maybe it could work.

01:12:41.000 Well, the argument that it could work is that— But see what I'm saying?

01:12:45.000 Like, these are, like, really broad, complex, nuanced concepts that need to be discussed up and down and back and forth.

01:12:54.000 And you also need to look at the weight of human history, the myriad times it's— Right.

01:13:00.000 And just human history and even in ways at which it's not directly related to, say, Marxism, but just to look at patterns and trends and ways of people of operating and to see how, okay, well, given a different circumstance, how would that process work within this one or in this one or in this one or in this one?

01:13:18.000 Yeah.

01:13:20.000 Well, if you're like, well, I don't think Marxism will work.

01:13:24.000 But you can't say that until you actually study what Marxism is and what its principles are.

01:13:28.000 Because if you don't understand the argument, and this is like John Stuart Mill, you can't just defend your side without knowledge of the other.

01:13:38.000 You have really no position.

01:13:39.000 Your position isn't any better than theirs.

01:13:41.000 Yeah, that's a really good point.

01:13:43.000 I mean, I think everybody should do that.

01:13:44.000 No matter what you're looking at, like whatever you're trying to defend, even if it's something horrible, even if it's like a racist position, find out why these people support this.

01:13:53.000 Because they believe it, right?

01:13:54.000 And so why do they believe this racist position?

01:13:57.000 What is it about them that they think gives it validity?

01:14:00.000 And you can look at it and go...

01:14:02.000 I could see where they could take this way to its extreme and that – I mean that's nonsensical, but you see where it started or you can see like that that's – everything about this is clearly driven by something else and not what they claim.

01:14:15.000 Well, it's also the – one of the things about society is that we really have to take into consideration is the momentum of the past.

01:14:21.000 Like there's – this country has unique – Freedom to it because it was literally created by people who decided to get on a boat and risk traveling across the ocean to some new land.

01:14:34.000 It's a country filled with savages like crazy people that took wild chances and did wild things because of it. 0.99

01:14:41.000 And if you look at the history of this country that's clearly established by, look at the art, look at the music, look at the things that have come out, the comedy, all the things that have been created, the cars, all the different things that have come out of this one place. 0.57

01:14:54.000 And this one place just happens to be the most recent place with the least amount of historical baggage.

01:15:00.000 Yes.

01:15:00.000 But then you look at the places that have the most amount of historical baggage, like Africa or some parts of Russia.

01:15:08.000 These are places that have the hardest time breaking out of the weight of the cultural momentum of the past.

01:15:14.000 It's very difficult for people to radically change an established system that has existed for a thousand years.

01:15:22.000 Well, that's true.

01:15:23.000 And if you were to say, think about communism and the Soviet states in the length of what constitutes human history, Is has only been gone for it was only it was around for a short time and it's only been gone for an even shorter time And it's not really how many it's gone, but it's still a dictatorship over there. 0.96

01:15:43.000 Uh, yeah, I guess there's China and Russia Did you hear about that lady in Iran that she's going to jail the dancing years fucking dancing? 1.00

01:15:51.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:15:52.000 Oh, no, the Egyptian girl the girl the Lebanese girls going to jail for She she made a YouTube video about getting sexually harassed in Egypt.

01:16:00.000 Okay So they sentenced her to eight years in prison. 0.98

01:16:04.000 She's 22 years old. 1.00

01:16:05.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:16:07.000 It's fucking terrifying. 1.00

01:16:07.000 She's 22, 24, something like that. 1.00

01:16:10.000 She's young. 1.00

01:16:11.000 And they sentenced her to eight fucking years in jail. 1.00

01:16:14.000 See, that's what people here in America, or Western civilization at large, just fucking... 0.99

01:16:20.000 They just put on the blinders about stuff like that. 0.98

01:16:23.000 It's like, there are places, and I'm not going to demonize these places either, but at the same time... 0.99

01:16:30.000 You, as a 22-year-old, could have a complaint and say, hey, this thing happened and this is fucked up. 0.99

01:16:38.000 And all of a sudden, they can go, huh, you think that was fucked up? 1.00

01:16:41.000 Boom, and throw your ass in jail or have you executed or whatever. 1.00

01:16:44.000 It's like, okay, well, I guess I don't have the right to express myself. 1.00

01:16:48.000 Whereas people will show up and bang on doors and do all kinds of crazy shit when Jordan Peterson comes and does a talk. 0.92

01:16:56.000 And the thing is... 0.97

01:16:58.000 They're allowed to.

01:16:59.000 They're allowed to protest what he has to say, counter protest if they want or to express their unhappiness with things political and things media.

01:17:08.000 Anybody can say what they want in terms of what makes them unhappy without fear of the government silencing you.

01:17:17.000 That's a major thing.

01:17:19.000 It's a major thing.

01:17:20.000 And this poor girl in Iran, she's just dancing. 0.93

01:17:23.000 You know, people that always rail against Islam or Islamophobia.

01:17:27.000 There's so much Islamophobia in this world.

01:17:29.000 Yeah, sure there is.

01:17:30.000 You're right, there is.

01:17:31.000 But you know what else there is? 1.00

01:17:32.000 There's also radical Islam and radical Islamic governments that are putting women in jail because they fucking dance. 1.00

01:17:39.000 Religious zealotry. 1.00

01:17:39.000 That's happening right now. 1.00

01:17:40.000 It's just religious zealotry.

01:17:42.000 And while people will often get into a conversation about this, and they'll bring up, well, what about the Crusades?

01:17:48.000 Or what about this?

01:17:48.000 I go, hold on.

01:17:49.000 These are all relevant things, too.

01:17:51.000 And while the Crusades are not nearly as cut and dry as you think they are, in fact, which had ended in the Fourth Crusade, two groups went down there and then end up fighting each other.

01:18:00.000 It's like, you're both...

01:18:02.000 Christians. 1.00

01:18:02.000 Yeah, what the fuck are you thinking? 1.00

01:18:03.000 But then you had things like the Inquisition. 1.00

01:18:06.000 You've had all kinds of stuff.

01:18:07.000 And it's like, Yeah.

01:18:09.000 No, you just that doesn't erase this and that doesn't they don't balance each other out.

01:18:14.000 It's just patterns.

01:18:15.000 It's just right.

01:18:16.000 And it's because it's one religion and not the other doesn't make it's the the motivations are the same.

01:18:22.000 It kind of comes it comes from the same concept, even if it's not technically the same religion.

01:18:26.000 Well, it reinforces it, in my opinion.

01:18:28.000 I mean, the idea that – it's not the idea that Christianity is so amazing and Islam is so bad. 1.00

01:18:32.000 It's that ideologies force people into very terrible behaviors.

01:18:36.000 They can.

01:18:37.000 They can very, very much so.

01:18:38.000 And they often do.

01:18:39.000 Yeah.

01:18:40.000 I mean, most of the time it goes bad when you have a powerful, potent ideology that is dominating a culture.

01:18:46.000 Well, imagine, okay, you had Christian zealotry and let's say Islam and Christianity had swapped. 0.88

01:18:54.000 And Islam had all kinds of reformations and different sects break off from it and all this.

01:18:59.000 And it had become more like Christianity in this modern era.

01:19:01.000 But Christianity stayed in a more less developed sense and had a more rigorous, fervent zealotry in terms of adherence to doctrines or at least – or even interpretations of doctrines in certain ways.

01:19:16.000 Yeah, Old Testament style.

01:19:16.000 Yeah.

01:19:17.000 But within this context of the modern era – so now you have the internet.

01:19:21.000 So any – let's say you only got like a million people in the world that feel this way.

01:19:28.000 But these million can all connect with each other via social media, via different electronic ways.

01:19:33.000 They can create – they can weaponize things much easier.

01:19:38.000 They can coordinate.

01:19:39.000 They can – it's not like the crusades where you had to get – Money from a king and other monarchs.

01:19:47.000 Get together all these troops.

01:19:48.000 Get together all these supplies.

01:19:50.000 March them all down into the Middle East to where you've got the Turks waiting for you that they've done the same thing and then you guys all meet up on these different points of battle. 0.97

01:19:59.000 You could literally be at war all over the world all day, every day, all at the same time because of the modern advances of technology.

01:20:09.000 And not to mention you have firearms, you have Explosives and chemicals and things that you can use to your disposal.

01:20:17.000 Drones.

01:20:17.000 Or a truck.

01:20:19.000 You didn't have six-ton trucks to drive into a crowd.

01:20:26.000 That's just technology.

01:20:29.000 It helps.

01:20:30.000 It makes our lives better, but in other ways it can also create calamity for us.

01:20:35.000 And it's really their tools.

01:20:36.000 Social media is a tool.

01:20:37.000 I think that social media is...

01:20:39.000 If you were to track the mass shootings that have happened, the rise of social media and the rise of mass shootings would be on a parallel.

01:20:48.000 I really think that it's social media that's increasing the amount that you see with the school shootings and things like that.

01:20:54.000 I think that's...

01:20:54.000 Because they get fame from it.

01:20:55.000 They get fame or you're able to antagonize someone and they can't get away from you much more easily.

01:21:03.000 The ressentiment, using a Nietzschean term in terms of...

01:21:08.000 The resentment, the resentfulness from seeing other people having what you think you deserve or thinking that they somehow are having more of what you think.

01:21:20.000 You want that as well.

01:21:21.000 Why do they get to have it and I don't?

01:21:23.000 Or any number of reasons why you can be incredibly, potently resentful.

01:21:28.000 And now you have this thing that's just in your life pumping all this kind of stuff at you all the time.

01:21:34.000 time, and I think that it can affect people in some really pathologically bad ways.

01:21:40.000 And now you have technology to also enact it.

01:21:43.000 And if it's not – in the end, you can also easily make the argument if it's not a firearm, it could be something else, and that doesn't make it any better.

01:21:51.000 But I think that the rise of social media has been – is a direct correlator – it's It's directly responsible for the rise in these school shootings.

01:22:02.000 Directly responsible?

01:22:03.000 Or directly correlates to it.

01:22:06.000 I think there's a correlation there.

01:22:08.000 I think certainly there's a lot going on in society.

01:22:10.000 I think the big factor...

01:22:12.000 Well, there's a lot of factors.

01:22:13.000 People are alienated.

01:22:15.000 There's terrible child-rearing. 0.51

01:22:17.000 People have mental health issues.

01:22:19.000 People are medicated.

01:22:21.000 The big one is medication.

01:22:22.000 Now imagine all that with the technology of social media able to heighten some of the effects of some of these things or to create...

01:22:31.000 So someone that feels alienated Imagine now, not only do you feel alienated in the real world, but then when you're on social media, one, it's not a real...

01:22:43.000 Your body knows it's not the real world, but you could be alienated out there too.

01:22:46.000 And that which alienates you there could still penetrate and get to you while you're away from it.

01:22:53.000 If people are fucking with you at school or what have you, then you're at home, you're feeling alienated there, and then... 0.99

01:22:58.000 This is continuing to fuck with you through social media. 1.00

01:23:01.000 Or other people are fucking with you on social media. 1.00

01:23:04.000 Let's say you're playing your video games and people are talking shit because you keep getting shot in Battlefield V or whatever. 1.00

01:23:10.000 And then all these things are just compounding. 0.99

01:23:13.000 And while no one knows, I mean, I'm sure you wouldn't necessarily know that if I say, oh, you know, fuck you, noob, or something on some video game, that this person... 1.00

01:23:22.000 Is essentially in real life being told fuck you every day, all day, feeling like the whole world thinks fuck you. 1.00

01:23:31.000 How would you know that? 1.00

01:23:32.000 But it could be.

01:23:33.000 Then that person snaps or that person has a – they have a psychological issue that they're not – I'm sure there's a bunch of factors.

01:23:41.000 First of all, there's the ability to kill large groups of people, which is unprecedented, right? 0.99

01:23:46.000 The ability to use assault rifles and just fucking semi-automatic guns and go in and kill large groups of people. 0.99

01:23:52.000 The knowledge that if you do do that, it'll make a huge splash and giant headlines and you'll be... 1.00

01:23:58.000 You'll be infamous.

01:23:59.000 The fact that a lot of these people are on disassociatives.

01:24:03.000 A lot of these people are on serious psych medications that we really have only been studying the effects on human beings for the past couple decades.

01:24:12.000 There's not a whole lot of data on long-term use of these SSRIs over 20, 30, 40 years.

01:24:17.000 Correct. 0.93

01:24:18.000 So you've got varying peoples with varying mental illnesses, varying psychological pressures and stresses and lives that are just beyond fucked, and then they have access to guns. 0.94

01:24:29.000 And they want people to hurt the way they're hurting. 0.90

01:24:32.000 There's a lot of factors going on.

01:24:34.000 Well, and even if they illegally acquire the guns, I mean, it doesn't matter in this case what the tool is per se, but...

01:24:43.000 Well, you know what?

01:24:44.000 I don't think we understand nor are we meant to live in large groups of people where we don't know the people around us.

01:24:53.000 That's another thing.

01:24:54.000 I think that is a really new situation for human beings.

01:24:59.000 They overlook the historical significance of the population growths, the population density that has been gathering as we get into these high-density civilized areas like cities, these big cities, and it changes everything.

01:25:18.000 Yeah, and people are less likely to know that many.

01:25:20.000 Like, if you live in a town of 150 people, you probably know 150 people.

01:25:25.000 If you live in a city of 5 million people, you probably know 10 people.

01:25:29.000 You know people you work with.

01:25:31.000 You might know a couple friends.

01:25:32.000 Unless you're a really social person, you probably have a way more limited number of people that you actually know than people that have a tight-knit, small town and small community.

01:25:43.000 But those people are obviously in your business.

01:25:46.000 That's one thing.

01:25:48.000 I know friends that live in small towns. 1.00

01:25:50.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:25:51.000 There's things that come with that, too. 1.00

01:25:53.000 A lot of busybodies.

01:25:54.000 A lot of people peeking over the fence. 1.00

01:25:56.000 I think they had the anal sex last night. 1.00

01:25:59.000 Jesus is gonna punish him for that. 1.00

01:26:01.000 Jesus does not like butt-fucking. 1.00

01:26:07.000 Speaking of butt-fucking, let's talk about USADA. Yeah. 1.00

01:26:11.000 Without the lube.

01:26:12.000 Yeah.

01:26:13.000 We started this podcast talking about...

01:26:16.000 We had talked about your situation with...

01:26:19.000 Brendan Chobb and I had talked about your situation where you tested positive from a tainted supplement, like legitimately tested positive from a tainted supplement.

01:26:30.000 You were cleared, but this whole process was a goat rope. 0.92

01:26:37.000 Right. 0.97

01:26:37.000 It took a long time to work out and you didn't feel no fairly treated not in the least it It started one way then took a fucking curve What happened? 0.97

01:26:47.000 Well What did you take? 0.95

01:26:49.000 I took a supplement that had tribulus in it.

01:26:52.000 That's all it was.

01:26:53.000 It's just tribulus.

01:26:54.000 It's a Chinese herb.

01:26:55.000 It's a Chinese herb that stimulates testosterone.

01:26:57.000 And by the way, it barely works.

01:26:59.000 It's not going to turn you into Superman or anything like that.

01:27:03.000 If you get more sleep, it's better for your testosterone production than tribulus.

01:27:07.000 So it's just tribulus is all it was.

01:27:12.000 And the supplement itself, as it turns out, was contaminated with a SARM called Osterane.

01:27:20.000 But when I say contaminated, I mean it had such trace amounts that the people that did the lab testing on it said, well...

01:27:28.000 It's clearly just contamination because this wouldn't help you.

01:27:30.000 This wouldn't do anything for you.

01:27:32.000 And let's explain how that happens.

01:27:33.000 A lot of these places, I know this for a fact because I'm one of the owners of Onnit.

01:27:38.000 Onnit is a third party tested company where we get our stuff tested by an independent party to make sure that there's nothing funky.

01:27:46.000 But we've had some issues in the past with stuff being in our earliest formulations of AlphaBrain that weren't supposed to be in there.

01:27:52.000 And what it comes from is you buy your ingredients from a company.

01:27:57.000 The company has these vats that they mix everything in, and they don't properly clean the vats.

01:28:02.000 And if they don't properly clean the vats, you're buying some stuff from China.

01:28:05.000 Who knows what they're chucking in there?

01:28:07.000 They got steroids in there. 1.00

01:28:08.000 They got this.

01:28:09.000 They got that. 1.00

01:28:10.000 A lot of creatine is tainted with all sorts of shit. 1.00

01:28:13.000 A lot of different supplements are tainted. 0.99

01:28:14.000 And that's what USADA thought it could have been at first.

01:28:16.000 It happened to Tim Means.

01:28:17.000 Yes, it happened to Tim Means.

01:28:19.000 It happened to Yoel Romero.

01:28:21.000 Yes.

01:28:21.000 A lot of guys.

01:28:22.000 So this stuff is contaminated, right?

01:28:26.000 And so USADA was testing me.

01:28:29.000 I had had a fight in September of 2016 against Arlovsky.

01:28:35.000 And then after that, I was like, yo, I'm just going to take a break for a while.

01:28:38.000 I'm not fighting.

01:28:39.000 I'm going to tour Europe and goof off and whatever.

01:28:42.000 And then when I get back, I don't know when I'm going to get back in the ring.

01:28:47.000 And they're like, alright, whatever.

01:28:49.000 And the UFC, we told them.

01:28:51.000 But USADA would still come around and test, and it's like, okay, fine, whatever.

01:28:55.000 So this is post-testing positive?

01:28:56.000 This is pre.

01:28:57.000 Pre, okay.

01:28:58.000 So you fought Arlovski and you said, I'm just going to chill for a while.

01:29:01.000 Yeah, and then one day, well, for one, when I'm... 0.85

01:29:06.000 I'm out there in Europe and I let them know, like, hey, I'm going fucking where the wind takes me in Europe.

01:29:11.000 I don't have a whereabouts to fill in because I could be on a train moving here, moving there, whatever. 0.89

01:29:18.000 Which is your prerogative as a human being. 0.97

01:29:20.000 And they know that, and yet then they go ahead and sent someone to my fucking house to try and test me while I'm in Europe. 0.99

01:29:26.000 And I'm just going, okay. 0.98

01:29:27.000 So isn't there like an app where you fill out?

01:29:30.000 There's an app, but if I'm...

01:29:31.000 How's that work?

01:29:31.000 You can fill out where you're supposed to be ahead of time for the most part.

01:29:36.000 So, on Tuesday, the 16th, I'm going to be at this place from this time to this time.

01:29:41.000 And then, but what is your home base?

01:29:43.000 So if we don't go to these places, then we'll just meet you at your home at some time or whatever.

01:29:48.000 So let's say you just decide to go to Japan.

01:29:49.000 Do you have to tell them, hey, today I'm going to take a train to Osaka.

01:29:53.000 Today I'm going to go to the mountains.

01:29:56.000 So you have to give them a detailed itinerary of every day.

01:29:58.000 Every day.

01:29:59.000 Okay. 1.00

01:29:59.000 And so I'm like, fuck, dude. 1.00

01:30:01.000 I'm just trying to be out here just doing whatever. 1.00

01:30:03.000 I'm not fighting.

01:30:04.000 But, you know, when I get home, you test me wherever you want.

01:30:07.000 You just wanted to enjoy a vacation.

01:30:10.000 Just travel.

01:30:11.000 Correct.

01:30:11.000 And they go.

01:30:13.000 They send someone to my house. 1.00

01:30:14.000 I was like, fuck. 1.00

01:30:15.000 All right. 1.00

01:30:15.000 And then there are times where... 1.00

01:30:17.000 So what happens when they send someone to your house but you told them you weren't there?

01:30:20.000 Well, for one, no one told...

01:30:22.000 I don't know how...

01:30:23.000 What mechanical elements within their organization how that works, but...

01:30:29.000 They sent someone there anyways.

01:30:30.000 I'm not there.

01:30:31.000 But does it count?

01:30:34.000 Because did you tell them that you were going to be on the road?

01:30:36.000 We did.

01:30:38.000 So they still counted that as you not being there for a test?

01:30:41.000 Yes. 0.97

01:30:42.000 Well, that doesn't make any fucking sense. 0.97

01:30:44.000 Well, it is what it is. 0.97

01:30:46.000 But wait a minute.

01:30:47.000 If they're going to give you a strike...

01:30:50.000 Like, don't they have to follow their protocol?

01:30:54.000 And their protocol is you have to inform them of where you're going to be, right?

01:30:57.000 So if you did that, you informed them where you're going to be.

01:31:00.000 Yes, my manager literally told Nowitzki and the UFC, he's not going to be home for almost a month, and he's fucking practically backpacking all through Europe, going from place to place to place.

01:31:14.000 So he's going to be real hard to get a hold of. 0.82

01:31:18.000 Good time to take steroids. 0.68

01:31:19.000 Oh yeah, get jacked up. 0.99

01:31:21.000 Just fucking get ripped and come back. 1.00

01:31:24.000 Just swole to the gills. 1.00

01:31:26.000 Yeah, you'll pass.

01:31:27.000 True.

01:31:27.000 But if they showed up in Europe, you did give them your location and you told them where you are.

01:31:32.000 If they would, but I was gone.

01:31:34.000 I didn't fill in any locations.

01:31:35.000 I just went wherever I went.

01:31:36.000 So when you went wherever you went and your manager told USADA that you were in Europe, they still showed up at your house?

01:31:43.000 In LA. Okay.

01:31:44.000 Well, that doesn't seem to make any sense.

01:31:46.000 And they give you a strike?

01:31:48.000 Yes.

01:31:49.000 And so I'm like, okay, that's aggravating.

01:31:51.000 They gave Cowboy a strike when he was at the UFC. How about them apples?

01:31:56.000 And I saw that and I'm like, you know what? 0.99

01:31:59.000 I can't fuck around with any of this stuff. 0.95

01:32:01.000 I don't want people to use this as some sort of... 0.98

01:32:05.000 Kindling to try and start a fire about me.

01:32:08.000 And so then I get back home and they test me again.

01:32:11.000 Like, alright, fine, whatever.

01:32:12.000 And then they test me again and I'm like, okay.

01:32:16.000 Now you just made me late to an audition and you just showed up out of nowhere.

01:32:20.000 Cool.

01:32:21.000 So they can do that?

01:32:22.000 Like, they can just show up and you can't say, hey, I have an appointment to keep.

01:32:27.000 They're there.

01:32:28.000 But even if you are not fighting, like say if you're running out the door and you have a business appointment, how long does it take for them to test you?

01:32:36.000 It depends on what they're doing, whether it's blood and urine or just urine.

01:32:40.000 But with me, it's always been blood and urine. 0.99

01:32:42.000 So you can't say, hey, you guys are going to have to come with me because I got to go to this fucking audition. 0.99

01:32:47.000 Yeah, I don't know. 0.98

01:32:48.000 I didn't try that.

01:32:49.000 I would say that. 1.00

01:32:50.000 Get in the car, bitch. 1.00

01:32:51.000 How are you going to sit there and have someone draw blood on you? 1.00

01:32:54.000 You're not going to.

01:32:55.000 You guys are going to have to do it when I'm done.

01:32:57.000 Like, if you want to keep an eye on me, come with me the whole way.

01:33:00.000 I always took it as they showed up.

01:33:01.000 It's like, well, here it goes.

01:33:02.000 That doesn't seem to make any sense.

01:33:04.000 If you have previous commitments and you have to do something, they shouldn't have, like, ultimate precedent over your life.

01:33:11.000 Like, they shouldn't be able to just decide, like, showing up randomly.

01:33:15.000 I suppose they could make an argument in some way on that.

01:33:18.000 But if you have a life.

01:33:20.000 Well, in any case, so I take this test and I'm like, all right.

01:33:23.000 I'm just gonna retire for now. 0.98

01:33:26.000 I got too much shit I gotta do. 0.98

01:33:28.000 I'm not fighting anytime soon. 0.98

01:33:30.000 I've got my New Japan stuff.

01:33:32.000 I've got auditions.

01:33:33.000 I've got all these things.

01:33:34.000 I'm traveling and I just...

01:33:36.000 I'm not gonna fight.

01:33:37.000 Right.

01:33:37.000 So just leave me be.

01:33:39.000 And then I'm in Japan and the fucking... 0.99

01:33:43.000 The very last test I took... 0.99

01:33:46.000 Right before retiring, oh, you're flagged. 0.98

01:33:50.000 I'm like, you gotta be fucking kidding me. 0.98

01:33:53.000 Really? 0.99

01:33:54.000 All these tests over all these years, me being the first person to do complete out of competition or in competition random urine and blood testing when I worked with WADA and the Nevada State Athletic Commission when I fought Travis Brown.

01:34:09.000 So no one had ever done actual random testing before and there was no USADA involved in the UFC yet.

01:34:15.000 Why did you do that?

01:34:17.000 It was something that the NSAC wanted to see done, and I'm like, fine.

01:34:22.000 They wanted to see that done because you had tested positive in the past.

01:34:26.000 What did you have tested positive before in the past?

01:34:28.000 You've taken some stuff, right?

01:34:29.000 I tested positive for anabolics in the past.

01:34:32.000 But I mean, the supplement market used to be way wilder than it used to be.

01:34:35.000 Well, and also, just fighting was way wilder.

01:34:39.000 Fighting was way wilder.

01:34:40.000 The supplement industry was way wilder. 0.89

01:34:42.000 It's like back in 02, you could still buy all this shit over the counter that by 04 got reclassified as steroids. 0.97

01:34:48.000 Oh, dude, I remember I was taking this shit called Mag10. 0.91

01:34:50.000 Do you remember that time? 0.97

01:34:51.000 Yes, I remember Mag10.

01:34:52.000 Woo! 0.99

01:34:52.000 What was the name of the company that makes that? 0.99

01:34:55.000 Death Incorporated?

01:34:56.000 Death Incorporated. 1.00

01:34:57.000 That shit. 1.00

01:34:58.000 It's all steroids now. 1.00

01:34:59.000 That shit was steroids. 1.00

01:35:00.000 It was steroids, 100%. 1.00

01:35:02.000 I remember Mag10. 1.00

01:35:03.000 Yeah, you gained like 10 pounds in six weeks on that shit. 1.00

01:35:05.000 You'd just get jacked. 1.00

01:35:06.000 But that was all over-the-counter.

01:35:07.000 Yeah.

01:35:08.000 You used to be able to buy a lot of stuff.

01:35:09.000 And by the way, liver toxicity is probably off the charts.

01:35:12.000 Probably.

01:35:13.000 There was a lot of those things that were super bad for you.

01:35:15.000 But real effective. 0.98

01:35:16.000 They fucking worked. 0.99

01:35:17.000 This stuff worked. 0.99

01:35:19.000 So, you know, it was a whole different era.

01:35:21.000 And then with California...

01:35:25.000 I had an issue with what I believe ultimately to be a contamination, but I didn't take all the steps that I had this time. 0.99

01:35:34.000 And once that whole process was such a motherfucker, I'm like, this is never going to happen again. 0.69

01:35:38.000 So every supplement lot that I took, I would always keep bits of it behind until I felt there was enough time to expire that I can get rid of it because no one's going to come back and test me. 0.96

01:35:49.000 I've passed all my tests.

01:35:51.000 So once you passed your test, you would get rid of the old stuff.

01:35:53.000 Right.

01:35:54.000 I don't need to keep those lots anymore.

01:35:55.000 You're supposed to take only third-party verified stuff.

01:35:58.000 Well, that's not what they say, necessarily.

01:36:00.000 They suggest it, I guess, now.

01:36:02.000 But I know that with this brand of tribulus I had taken...

01:36:06.000 I'd taken three or four different other supplements from the same company and all passed no problem on their test.

01:36:13.000 So it was just some weird contamination, which does happen again.

01:36:16.000 Happened to Tim Means.

01:36:18.000 It's happened to several fighters.

01:36:20.000 As far as I can tell, I mean, I'm not testing their whole product line, but it just seemed like a fluke.

01:36:24.000 And just such a simple supplement in any case, a one ingredient deal.

01:36:28.000 So then they come back and they're like, oh, you tested positive for this.

01:36:31.000 I'm like... 0.96

01:36:32.000 Well, that ain't fucking possible. 0.95

01:36:34.000 So then I send in some supplements, which I had to pay for to have them tested. 0.96

01:36:38.000 They run them through the testing and then bang, they find it.

01:36:41.000 All right, there you go.

01:36:43.000 There's your deal.

01:36:44.000 Then they went out and bought a brand new bottle, unopened, same lot, tested that one, verified the results.

01:36:51.000 Same thing.

01:36:52.000 Test positive.

01:36:53.000 That's what happened to Tim Means as well.

01:36:55.000 So then we're in contact with USADA throughout the entirety of this.

01:36:59.000 So we don't ever break contact with USADA. We have a specific guy.

01:37:04.000 I'm not going to throw his name out there or anything, but we have a guy that we spoke to directly the whole time through my manager, speaking with him.

01:37:12.000 And I've seen the emails.

01:37:14.000 And so we're talking about how we know this is a contamination.

01:37:18.000 And when we get done with all this, why don't we even try to put together something, some promotional stuff, anything that we can do to try and keep athletes from ending up in the same issues.

01:37:29.000 And we'd like to do whatever we could to help you guys out with this.

01:37:32.000 We're not against you.

01:37:34.000 We don't mind being a part of the system.

01:37:36.000 And we understand why you're here.

01:37:39.000 And I'm not against them wanting to do drug testing or whatever and try to keep a clean and fair playing field.

01:37:46.000 I get the point of it.

01:37:49.000 So we get the supplements tested.

01:37:51.000 They test the secondary batch.

01:37:53.000 They have all their information. 0.99

01:37:54.000 It's like, all right, this should be fucking rock and roll. 0.99

01:37:58.000 And then they got real quiet. 0.99

01:38:00.000 Okay.

01:38:02.000 Now you're not talking to us anymore.

01:38:05.000 What do you mean?

01:38:05.000 Like you would contact them, they wouldn't respond?

01:38:07.000 They would take them a week, two weeks.

01:38:10.000 And what were they saying when they do respond?

01:38:12.000 You know, I can't entirely remember myself.

01:38:15.000 My manager was in touch with them.

01:38:16.000 So what is the protocol?

01:38:17.000 If someone tests positive for something that's a tainted supplement and it's a third-party supplement and where it's not third-party verified, rather?

01:38:25.000 Well, I don't even know if it was third-party verified that anything would be any different.

01:38:31.000 Okay, well, if it is third-party verified and still is tainted, yeah, that would be an issue, right?

01:38:36.000 Yeah.

01:38:37.000 If you tested positive, you tested positive.

01:38:39.000 If they found the supplement...

01:38:40.000 Yeah.

01:38:40.000 I think the idea about third-party verified is it's much less likely to be a tainted supplement.

01:38:46.000 But it doesn't absolve anything.

01:38:47.000 Right.

01:38:48.000 And this is coming from someone who's in the supplement business.

01:38:50.000 You know, there's a certain amount of this stuff you farm out.

01:38:53.000 So...

01:38:54.000 As far as I know, the deal is there's a period of ineligibility, sort of.

01:39:00.000 Basically, what happens is you're effectively suspended until this thing is all finished out.

01:39:04.000 And they try to say that you're not suspended.

01:39:07.000 There's no suspension, but that's not true.

01:39:10.000 Well, no one's going to book you for a fight.

01:39:11.000 Everyone treats you as you're suspended.

01:39:13.000 I tried to corner Travis Brown because I was training him.

01:39:16.000 And they wouldn't let me.

01:39:17.000 They wouldn't let you corner them even though you weren't?

01:39:19.000 Yes.

01:39:20.000 Okay.

01:39:21.000 And they're like, you're suspended, so you can't corner.

01:39:25.000 But you said you're not suspended.

01:39:26.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:39:27.000 Okay.

01:39:28.000 So you're effectively suspended.

01:39:30.000 You can't work.

01:39:31.000 You can't even work as a tertiary individual, as a corner man or anything like that.

01:39:37.000 You can't be at the event.

01:39:38.000 And this is after the fact.

01:39:41.000 Where you brought them the supplements, they independently verified that it was tainted?

01:39:46.000 Yes.

01:39:46.000 And so then we start talking and throughout the process I said, look, I'm not taking a punishment for contamination.

01:39:55.000 And I'm not even fighting.

01:39:57.000 I'm not fighting anytime soon.

01:39:59.000 I'm not, you can't, like what you did with Means and these other people, you punished them.

01:40:04.000 You know that it was contamination, but you punished them.

01:40:07.000 Yeah, they gave them many months of suspension so that they weren't able to compete or make a living during those months.

01:40:14.000 Right.

01:40:14.000 And I'm like, no, I'm not taking that.

01:40:16.000 That's not acceptable because that's not what's going on here.

01:40:21.000 Nobody is doping.

01:40:22.000 Nobody is trying to cheat the system.

01:40:25.000 I'm not even fighting.

01:40:27.000 By punishing me, you're trying to levy guilt on me.

01:40:30.000 You're trying to make me out to be some sort of guilty party as if I'm trying to be a cheat of some sort.

01:40:40.000 I'm not taking that.

01:40:42.000 So how did it ultimately get resolved?

01:40:44.000 Well, ultimately what ended up happening is we had to go to arbitration.

01:40:48.000 That was all that was really left to us because then they started trying to bring up stuff from my past and then weigh that against me as well.

01:40:56.000 And it's like, whoa, dude, you guys weren't even around.

01:40:58.000 And now you get to decide to add to the weight of whatever punishment you want to levy against me based on things that didn't involve you?

01:41:09.000 Great.

01:41:09.000 That's cute.

01:41:10.000 So what were they talking about?

01:41:11.000 They were talking about 2001?

01:41:12.000 No, 2008. They went to 2008. Affliction.

01:41:15.000 Yeah.

01:41:16.000 That was the affliction card, right?

01:41:17.000 And they tried to say, well, oh yeah, well this happened, so therefore, you know, now they start talking about two years. 0.98

01:41:23.000 Like, you've got to be fucking kidding me. 0.90

01:41:25.000 They start talking about suspending you for two years for a tainted supplement. 0.99

01:41:28.000 Yes.

01:41:29.000 Wow.

01:41:29.000 And I'm just going, there's no way.

01:41:31.000 I wouldn't even accept six months.

01:41:32.000 You think I'm going to take two years?

01:41:34.000 And so we go and we inquire on the, and I've done, I did an interview with the guy that we were dealing with through Skype.

01:41:41.000 We've been in touch.

01:41:42.000 It's just like at some point, everything turned and changed.

01:41:45.000 Their tone changed.

01:41:47.000 Even the original penalties they were looking to levy increased. 1.00

01:41:51.000 New shit gets brought in. 0.98

01:41:52.000 It's like they became a completely different animal as soon as there was the evidence of contamination and that I wasn't willing to take. 0.99

01:42:06.000 What do you think their motivation is here?

01:42:09.000 I think that they, and this is just my opinion, I think the way USADA looks at it, and it's an easy way to go about it, is that the more people they ding, the more effective they appear.

01:42:18.000 Their efficacy is based on punishments doled out, not on lack of punishments at all.

01:42:26.000 So do you think this is a psychological motivation by the people that are working there?

01:42:31.000 So they arbitrarily get to decide how things go about, right?

01:42:34.000 There's not like a very strict protocol that they must follow for tainted supplements or for this or for that.

01:42:40.000 No, there is actually quite a bit of leverage or there is leeway in terms of how they can enforce and what they can enforce.

01:42:47.000 So it's subjective.

01:42:48.000 There is subjectivity in it.

01:42:51.000 They have a lot of discretion.

01:42:53.000 There is some outlined elements of protocol, but there is no, it is always this or it is always that.

01:43:00.000 And, you know, I didn't begrudge them for a period of ineligibility while you're going through the process of finding out whether this is contamination or what have you, doing any testing.

01:43:10.000 That makes sense to me.

01:43:12.000 That's fine.

01:43:12.000 I understand that.

01:43:14.000 If this guy supposedly has something in his system, well, let's figure out what it is.

01:43:19.000 And once we have a better idea, then we can decide about whether you can go back into the pool or do this or do that or if you're going to lever any punishments.

01:43:26.000 Makes sense to me. 0.96

01:43:28.000 But in addition to that, then tacking on more shit in terms of my case, I was like, that's not acceptable. 0.98

01:43:33.000 So we go, well, I guess the only thing left to us is to go to arbitration. 0.97

01:43:38.000 And so my manager spoke with, was working through them to arbitration, and we said, okay, well, what is that going to take?

01:43:48.000 Well, that's going to cost more money out of my pocket.

01:43:50.000 You know, the arbitration process.

01:43:52.000 These are guys that they're paid by USADA to do their arbitration.

01:43:57.000 Like they work for them in a way or they're not – they don't work under them directly, but they do get paid to be arbitrated somehow.

01:44:05.000 There's something – Trevor Burrus So they get contracted by USADA. Yes.

01:44:09.000 And so that was like, I don't necessarily feel the most comfortable with that, but I can also understand how it's not – there's probably not an easier way to go about it.

01:44:17.000 But okay, I got it.

01:44:20.000 Then we get notice back from USADA that we have to limit the scope of our argument.

01:44:27.000 We're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what?

01:44:29.000 You're going to tell us what we can and can't argue in arbitration.

01:44:32.000 In what way?

01:44:33.000 How are they defining that?

01:44:34.000 I don't remember what the definitions were exactly, but it was like, you can't, you know, you have to keep it within this boundary and this realm and this.

01:44:43.000 And I'm like, well, you can't fucking try to say, levy this against me and then use stuff from my past and then tell me I can't argue my full case.

01:44:51.000 So they're limiting the amount that you could defend yourself? 0.97

01:44:53.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:44:55.000 They were limiting the range of argument you could make.

01:44:59.000 But what would the argument be that you would bring up that they would want to limit?

01:45:04.000 That's a good question.

01:45:05.000 I don't know exactly.

01:45:06.000 Did they define that?

01:45:07.000 No, they had definitions in the emails with back and forth with my manager. 1.00

01:45:11.000 And he goes, well, fuck. 0.99

01:45:13.000 We, you know, because we could argue about, you know, this is contamination and go from there. 0.99

01:45:20.000 But it was something really potentially limiting, which was weird about how they put it.

01:45:25.000 You just don't remember what exactly it was?

01:45:27.000 I don't remember all the detail.

01:45:27.000 It's very detail-oriented.

01:45:28.000 It's legalese. 1.00

01:45:30.000 And then so we get to the point, it's like, well, fuck. 0.98

01:45:34.000 Well, this doesn't even look like a very, you know, this might not even be a useful way of trying to approach this thing. 0.98

01:45:43.000 And it got down to the wire to where...

01:45:46.000 And we kept pushing it back and pushing it back and saying, can we get an extension to try and figure out how the hell do we approach this?

01:45:55.000 And also, how could we approach it without having to spend money on having lawyers get involved?

01:46:00.000 I mean, that's the last thing you want to do is get to litigation or even arbitration.

01:46:04.000 It's a legal process.

01:46:05.000 It's complex and there's a lot of...

01:46:08.000 And lawyers love billable hours.

01:46:10.000 Sure, they do.

01:46:11.000 And so...

01:46:12.000 It gets down to the wire, essentially.

01:46:15.000 And I just sit back and I go, I won't accept any ruling if it's a punishment at all.

01:46:22.000 I don't care what they say.

01:46:23.000 I'll just be like, nah, I'm not going to abide by it. 1.00

01:46:27.000 You can't force me to do shit. 0.99

01:46:28.000 And I guess we'll have to cross-bridge. 0.99

01:46:30.000 So your position is that if you are accidentally taking a tainted supplement and also trace amounts that have absolutely zero effect on performance, there's nothing that you're doing by accidentally taking that that in any way would help you.

01:46:45.000 And that's a fact.

01:46:46.000 That's a proven fact.

01:46:46.000 So your position is you shouldn't be punished.

01:46:49.000 Correct.

01:46:51.000 I agree with you.

01:46:52.000 Once the time that you've been out...

01:46:55.000 Here's the thing.

01:46:56.000 That's enough.

01:46:57.000 Exactly.

01:46:57.000 It's more than enough.

01:46:58.000 And you don't need to say, oh, well, if it took seven months to get the information that you needed, the data, right, to then clarify, okay, well, you're not at fault, to then say, oh, we'll suspend you for six months, but since that six months has already passed, it's like we didn't suspend you at all. 0.99

01:47:15.000 It's like, no, motherfucker. 0.99

01:47:16.000 When you look... 0.99

01:47:19.000 At the data, when you go and look at this case, it says suspended, which means you punished me, which means I was guilty in some way.

01:47:26.000 You said I'm guilty because that's how you got to punish me.

01:47:30.000 Right.

01:47:30.000 It's not under investigation.

01:47:33.000 It's case under investigation.

01:47:35.000 Yeah, it's not exonerated after investigation.

01:47:38.000 No, you still levied a punishment in there to say, look how we caught this guy and we punished him.

01:47:42.000 And I'm like, I'm not down for that.

01:47:44.000 And so, oddly enough...

01:47:47.000 So I was like on aerials or something like that.

01:47:50.000 I said, I won't accept.

01:47:51.000 I don't care what they say.

01:47:53.000 I don't care what punishment they try to levy.

01:47:55.000 I don't abide by it.

01:47:56.000 I won't agree to it.

01:47:57.000 And I'm done with them.

01:48:00.000 And someone from the arbitrator's office who we were dealing with calls us out of the blue and goes, so you still sure you don't want to do this?

01:48:10.000 And my manager goes, well, they said that we have to limit the scope of argument to this and this and we can't talk.

01:48:16.000 And then he goes, no, you don't.

01:48:19.000 You can bring any argument you want.

01:48:21.000 Who is saying this to you?

01:48:22.000 The arbitrator's office.

01:48:25.000 Okay, so who would initially come to you and said that you had to limit the scope of your argument?

01:48:29.000 USADA. Okay, so USADA was attempting to establish some boundaries for your argument.

01:48:35.000 Yes.

01:48:35.000 But the people who were the actual arbitrators said that that's not true.

01:48:40.000 Right.

01:48:41.000 That's not the case.

01:48:42.000 They can't force you to argue in a certain way.

01:48:45.000 Oh, okay.

01:48:46.000 So is it possible that USADA's lawyers were trying to...

01:48:49.000 Here's the thing I found about lawyers.

01:48:51.000 Like, yeah, for sure they're necessary, and that's all well and good, and you need them.

01:48:55.000 But there's a reality, and this is something that I had to deal with recently, in doing something with a friend. 0.94

01:49:01.000 Through lawyers, where they attached a bunch of shit to this deal that wasn't supposed to be in there, and he didn't even know it was in there. 0.99

01:49:08.000 And then my lawyer's like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

01:49:10.000 And so I contact him, what the fuck is this? 1.00

01:49:12.000 And he's like, what the fuck is that? 1.00

01:49:14.000 So he contacts his lawyers, what the fuck is this? 1.00

01:49:16.000 And it turns out... 0.99

01:49:17.000 This is a common thing.

01:49:19.000 Lawyers, they literally say, we put this in to give you leverage.

01:49:24.000 I don't think you necessarily want that, but we're looking out for your best interests, and so now you have a good negotiation point.

01:49:32.000 If you just go in with what you want, then they're going to ask for more than that, and then you're not in a strong position because you can't ask for more after you've already established your initial position.

01:49:42.000 It makes everything convoluted.

01:49:43.000 They're gross.

01:49:43.000 Yes, I hear you.

01:49:45.000 But that's the world we live in.

01:49:47.000 My grandfather was a pretty fair lawyer.

01:49:50.000 He was assistant attorney general of the state of Washington.

01:49:52.000 He actually wanted me to get into law, of all things, but I'm like, eh, I think I'd rather beat out my brains.

01:49:58.000 Yeah, it seems like, well, you haven't beaten him out.

01:50:01.000 It's very impressive with your memory.

01:50:02.000 Well, so we get to, my manager comes back to me and goes, hey, man, they just contacted me out of nowhere.

01:50:09.000 And they're like, if you want to do this, you can.

01:50:11.000 And no, you can't.

01:50:12.000 You can make the argument.

01:50:14.000 There's no limiting in the scope of your argument or anything.

01:50:16.000 Right.

01:50:17.000 So then it's like, well, yeah, all right.

01:50:20.000 I'll go for it.

01:50:21.000 Because at the very least, I thought maybe I could have some sort of record down of what we talked about, what was discussed, the arguments made.

01:50:29.000 So in the end, no matter how it came out, I can go, here's what's legit.

01:50:34.000 You can make your own decisions from there.

01:50:36.000 And so we go in.

01:50:38.000 I brought my legal team.

01:50:39.000 They had their lawyer come who was the same guy we were dealing with throughout the entire process.

01:50:45.000 And they made their argument and we made ours.

01:50:48.000 And there are times where I'm sitting back and I go, they're making closing arguments, each lawyer's.

01:50:56.000 And I'm just sitting there listening to the USADA side going, man, he's just pushing, he's just moving the goalposts.

01:51:03.000 How so?

01:51:04.000 Well, it's just taking a certain element and then trying to use slippery slope arguments and moving the goalposts on things.

01:51:10.000 He's just doing anything he can to use rhetoric instead of logos at this point because they're lawyers and they're trying to make their case and trying to find impassioned responses.

01:51:20.000 When you're saying this, consider that people are listening at home, don't really know your case, don't know the scope of what the argument was.

01:51:27.000 So it's like trying to say that – find ways at which to move the goalposts in terms of – so like I said to you earlier, I keep batches of all the supplements that I take.

01:51:39.000 Especially when I'm in this program and...

01:51:41.000 And especially after dealing with the clusterfuck that was California. 0.99

01:51:45.000 And it's like, well, I didn't have anything that I could bring to you that I could fuck. 0.99

01:51:50.000 So I'm like, this is never happening again. 0.98

01:51:52.000 So I keep everything.

01:51:54.000 They go and they test stuff and they find it.

01:51:56.000 And I kept notes.

01:51:58.000 I kept this.

01:52:01.000 It's like, what more could I have done for you guys?

01:52:04.000 Even if it doesn't matter if there's, let's say, they were all third-party tested as well.

01:52:08.000 I would still keep batches of the supplements.

01:52:10.000 And any of the stuff I take is third-party tested.

01:52:13.000 So what was the issue then?

01:52:14.000 Well, it's just simply, it's just they kept trying to say that I didn't do a good enough job.

01:52:18.000 That, did you use the, did you see this thing on supplement 411?

01:52:24.000 It's like, that came out After the fact, and yes, I have seen that.

01:52:29.000 In fact, I use all the resources that you provided, your GloboDro, your other Supplement 411, to check against ingredient lists, supplement names, company names, to make sure none of this shit is on the list so that I don't make that mistake.

01:52:42.000 So I use the resources that you give me.

01:52:45.000 I keep batches of my supplements so they can be tested if need be.

01:52:48.000 I do what's available to keep from any issues.

01:52:52.000 And yet, they just kept moving the goalpost on that and trying to say that, well, but you didn't hire a psychic, you know? 1.00

01:52:59.000 It's just that kind of shit. 0.99

01:53:01.000 I'm like, well, how could this have been any better? 1.00

01:53:04.000 And not to mention, I'm not fighting.

01:53:06.000 Right.

01:53:07.000 So, at the end of the day, what were they looking for in arbitration?

01:53:11.000 They wanted to levy a punishment against me and suspend me for years.

01:53:17.000 And this is USADA? Yes.

01:53:19.000 So USADA ultimately, even though they knew that you took a tainted supplement that had no effect whatsoever on your performance, they still wanted to punish you for two years. 0.99

01:53:28.000 That seems stupid. 1.00

01:53:29.000 That just seems stupid. 1.00

01:53:31.000 Now, let me read Jeff Nowitzki, because Nowitzki texted me because I told him this was going to go down. 0.99

01:53:37.000 And his take is a little bit different than yours.

01:53:39.000 I don't imagine it isn't.

01:53:41.000 I'm not surprised that it is.

01:53:43.000 And I told you what it was.

01:53:46.000 I'll just read you what it says.

01:53:48.000 He said he'll complain about the amount of time that went by with USADA process, but he notified us of retirement right after the positive sample was collected, before positive was announced.

01:53:59.000 So he was off in the wind for many months and not communicating with USADA. Big reason the case took so long to resolve.

01:54:08.000 Two, his positive was from a tainted supplement, but he didn't do the number one thing.

01:54:12.000 We advised UFC athletes on supplements.

01:54:16.000 He didn't choose a supplement that was third-party certified as a banned substance-free like Onnit supplements are.

01:54:24.000 There are literally hundreds of certified supplements out there and virtually ensures no issues for an athlete if they stick with those.

01:54:35.000 One other point for Barnett.

01:54:37.000 When he was unresponsive to Case, he missed all of his deadlines to file for arbitration.

01:54:42.000 He came to the table later and said he wanted to go to arbitration.

01:54:46.000 USADA made an exclusion and let him, which ultimately led to his favorable ruling by arbitrator.

01:54:52.000 Their reasoning was that they wanted to rule in favor of fairness to athlete.

01:54:57.000 Rules say they didn't have to after time to file, expired.

01:55:02.000 But they're saying it ruled favorably towards you, ultimately, at the end of the day.

01:55:06.000 Yes, it ruled in our favor.

01:55:08.000 All this gobbledygook, this, that, the other, you definitely probably should have taken...

01:55:11.000 It's just like he says that, oh, well, he retired and he was in the wind.

01:55:15.000 You know what my in the wind was?

01:55:16.000 It wasn't even that long.

01:55:17.000 I was in Japan for Ryzen with my athlete, Alyssa Garcia. 0.97

01:55:21.000 It wasn't in the fucking wind. 0.97

01:55:22.000 Sounds good, though. 0.99

01:55:23.000 You're in the wind.

01:55:24.000 In the wind.

01:55:25.000 You in that motorcycle jacket.

01:55:28.000 Just driving.

01:55:29.000 Yeah, I'm dragging a coffin behind me like Django.

01:55:33.000 Through the Nevada desert, somebody pulls you over, got eight days growth on your face.

01:55:37.000 Are you Josh Barnett?

01:55:38.000 Some days.

01:55:39.000 We're USADA. We're looking for you, bro.

01:55:41.000 Can I, you piss in this cup for me? 0.94

01:55:43.000 I didn't bring a cup, just use my pockets.

01:55:45.000 Yeah, I was in Japan at Ryzen.

01:55:47.000 I wasn't in the wind.

01:55:49.000 So they ruled in your favor?

01:55:53.000 Arbitration.

01:55:53.000 The arbitrator.

01:55:54.000 And what did they say?

01:55:54.000 This is the same guy, the arbitrator, is the same guy that put together, he's in Icarus.

01:56:00.000 He produced Icarus, the movie, on doping.

01:56:04.000 He's one of the major figures in terms of the world of anti-doping.

01:56:09.000 So it's one of the guys who worked with Brian Fogel?

01:56:12.000 The arbitrator?

01:56:13.000 Because Brian Fogel was the guy who starred in Icarus.

01:56:17.000 This guy is an arbitrator for WADA. Actually, why am I doing this?

01:56:24.000 Jamie can handle this.

01:56:26.000 But it doesn't matter.

01:56:27.000 So this guy has seen everything in terms of drug testing.

01:56:31.000 They ruled in your favor.

01:56:32.000 Yes.

01:56:32.000 And he said he couldn't see any way that I could have done hardly a better job, that I was meticulous with my record keeping, that I did essentially anything I could that was within the means of a normal person to do.

01:56:45.000 How was it resolved at the end?

01:56:47.000 It was a reprimand.

01:56:50.000 That's it.

01:56:51.000 Reprimand?

01:56:52.000 Yeah.

01:56:52.000 What is that?

01:56:53.000 What do they do?

01:56:54.000 Richard H... Yeah, Richard McLaren.

01:56:56.000 McLaren, OC Chief Arbitrator.

01:56:58.000 Yes.

01:57:00.000 Okay.

01:57:00.000 So, at the end of the day, after all this, they say they gave you a reprimand.

01:57:06.000 What does that mean?

01:57:06.000 It just means, like...

01:57:08.000 Don't do that.

01:57:08.000 Be careful.

01:57:09.000 Yeah, okay.

01:57:10.000 That's it.

01:57:12.000 But this took...

01:57:13.000 But no punishment.

01:57:14.000 Right. 0.99

01:57:14.000 So all that two-year shit from USADA was unwarranted. 0.99

01:57:17.000 Right. 1.00

01:57:18.000 Heavy-handed.

01:57:19.000 Heavy-handed as hell.

01:57:21.000 Well, Junior Dos Santos went through that too, right?

01:57:23.000 It started at six months, and then by the time they have both supplements tested, then all of a sudden it starts getting weird.

01:57:33.000 And this claim by Nowitzki that we were out of...

01:57:37.000 No.

01:57:37.000 We were always in touch.

01:57:39.000 Nowitzki doesn't work for USADA anymore.

01:57:41.000 I know.

01:57:41.000 And this is so...

01:57:42.000 What's kind of funny is...

01:57:44.000 Nowitzki is such a public face on this kind of thing, but when it comes to actually dealing with USADA, he's hands up. 0.96

01:57:52.000 I mean, he'll come and he'll make sure to put something out there in any of the sphere, but in reality, he ain't got a fucking thing to do with any of it.

01:57:59.000 Okay, but in his defense, he's a UFC employee, and it's inappropriate for him to have any influence whatsoever on the way they rule things.

01:58:07.000 I think that's actually the proper thing for him to do.

01:58:10.000 In a way, but I mean, it's just...

01:58:14.000 The presentation is a bit of a misnomer, I think.

01:58:17.000 Well, initially he was responsible for the drug testing.

01:58:20.000 Now he's...

01:58:21.000 What is he?

01:58:21.000 The president of Athletes Safety and Wellness.

01:58:25.000 They're running the Performance Institute.

01:58:27.000 I mean, what they're concentrating on now...

01:58:30.000 I'm speaking for Jeff and his behalf that I think they're concentrating more on encouraging fighters to train and fortify their body with nutrition correctly and giving them education on how to do this and that Jeff is at the forefront of that stuff and showing them how to avoid accidentally taking something.

01:58:49.000 I guess where I'm coming with this is that he is not...

01:58:52.000 Fully in the loop with what happened between me and USADA, because he's not involved.

01:58:57.000 Right.

01:58:57.000 So some of what he's saying there is incorrect.

01:59:01.000 And it's not...

01:59:02.000 I don't blame him because he's not a part of it.

01:59:04.000 So is he misinformed?

01:59:07.000 At the very least.

01:59:08.000 So do you think that they're not being straightforward?

01:59:10.000 It sounds to me like they wanted to punish you badly.

01:59:13.000 They wanted to punish me badly, yes. 0.99

01:59:14.000 Yeah, two years is a fucking crazy punishment. 0.99

01:59:16.000 And also... 0.98

01:59:17.000 When people get...

01:59:20.000 Do you remember when Nick Diaz was being interviewed by all these people and there was that mean lady who works at the Nevada State Athletic Commission and she was grilling him and I'm like... 0.98

01:59:33.000 We're talking about pot here, you crazy lady. 1.00

01:59:36.000 Like, what in the fuck are you doing? 1.00

01:59:38.000 You're acting like you robbed a bank. 1.00

01:59:39.000 Right.

01:59:39.000 If he's not getting in the ring high, then leave him alone.

01:59:42.000 Exactly.

01:59:42.000 And I think he probably did a few times.

01:59:46.000 I think in the Gomi fight, he might have been high as fuck. 1.00

01:59:49.000 He was like, bro, I'm bleeding. 0.99

01:59:50.000 Oh, my God. 0.98

01:59:51.000 Maybe I should choke him right now. 1.00

01:59:52.000 He didn't give a shit in that fight. 1.00

01:59:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:59:55.000 John Jones is going through this right now.

01:59:57.000 I don't know where John Jones stands, but it's been pretty well established that at the very least, if you look at the numbers when he was tested, And you know, I know a lot of people like to say that he's a cheater.

02:00:10.000 There's a lot of this going on right now. 0.99

02:00:12.000 Look, real clear, the first test was proven that he took tainted dick pills. 0.99

02:00:18.000 Okay? 0.99

02:00:19.000 That's proven.

02:00:20.000 Well, it was actually, so that got brought up to my attention as part of all this because, you know, USADA found it relevant. 0.97

02:00:27.000 The difference between that first one, let's say, and I don't know about the second shit with John. 0.91

02:00:32.000 I don't really follow close on this, but this came across my plate because He was taking a liquid Cialis, and it was from a company that sells SARMs and peptides and all that shit. 0.96

02:00:46.000 So it was a company that also sells banned substances. 0.99

02:00:49.000 And so their argument was that, dude, you're buying or using shit from a place full of illegal shit that you're not supposed to take. 1.00

02:00:56.000 Definitely a dumb move. 1.00

02:00:57.000 Definitely a dumb move. 1.00

02:00:58.000 And you could also just get a goddamn prescription for Cialis, right? 1.00

02:01:03.000 You don't need to take this funky shit you're getting off the internet. 0.99

02:01:07.000 The second one, what he took had such a minuscule trace amount that he tested negative. 0.99

02:01:15.000 Then he tested positive.

02:01:16.000 Sure.

02:01:16.000 Then he tested negative again.

02:01:17.000 And this is something that's supposed to stay in your system for months.

02:01:20.000 Right.

02:01:20.000 So this is indicative of someone who's not taking something to get a performance enhancing benefit from it, but rather someone who had something that was tainted.

02:01:28.000 And these lab technicians are smart on this shit. 0.99

02:01:31.000 Like the guy who saw the results from the first little batch of supplements we gave him, he had seen everything and then some under the sun and all different levels. 0.99

02:01:41.000 And this guy knew What constituted contamination and what wasn't.

02:01:46.000 He could tell.

02:01:47.000 Right, of course.

02:01:47.000 They can tell just by the numbers.

02:01:49.000 Look, if you're taking trace amounts of anything, it's not going to do a damn thing to your body in terms of performance enhancing, but it is going to show up in these tests because these tests are incredibly thorough.

02:01:58.000 Hey, Jamie, Google what's going on with John Jones' case, because particularly after this weekend, it's very, very relevant.

02:02:05.000 You know, I mean, with Brock Lesnar getting in there, with DC, DC becoming the first light heavyweight to consecutively hold the light heavyweight championship and the heavyweight championship, you know, and a spectacular fight by DC, but Jon Jones is always going to be there.

02:02:21.000 Sure, I mean, you cannot, you can go on and on about the extracurricular woes of Jon Jones, sure, but His capabilities as an athlete, his talent, it's undeniable.

02:02:34.000 Undeniable. 1.00

02:02:36.000 Look, whatever the fuck he took, dick pills, it's not making him a better fighter. 1.00

02:02:40.000 He didn't knock DC out because of dick pills. 1.00

02:02:42.000 That's crazy. 0.99

02:02:43.000 No, it has to do with skill and talent.

02:02:46.000 He hit him with a beautiful left high kick. 0.99

02:02:47.000 That's what it was.

02:02:48.000 And he recognized a tendency.

02:02:50.000 You know, DC knows he has, you know?

02:02:53.000 But with this whole USADA process, it just became...

02:02:56.000 And it drug on because...

02:02:59.000 You know we said to them I'm not gonna take a punishment and they said we won't we're not giving you any option on this and so that's it's like there was a negotiation what happens what I want one of the things that I've talked about when it comes to police officers is that when you have police officers and you have people they're trying to arrest it becomes a game and I don't mean a game in terms of this bullshit I mean it's a game in terms of one person is trying to win and And they're trying to get people and arrest them.

02:03:24.000 And this is why people plant guns and plant drugs.

02:03:27.000 Trying to win.

02:03:28.000 And that's what killed me was that, in my opinion, USADA was trying to win.

02:03:34.000 It was more important for them to win than it was for us to have a clean sport.

02:03:38.000 This comes back to what we were talking about earlier when it comes to arguments and discussions that people oftentimes are not really searching for the truth.

02:03:45.000 They just want to be right.

02:03:47.000 Yes.

02:03:47.000 And I've had this argument about bureaucracies in general, right?

02:03:49.000 Yes.

02:03:50.000 And this goes to, this isn't just about, you know, not USADA and their bureaucratic elements.

02:03:54.000 I mean, they're like the government or other things. 1.00

02:03:56.000 So you come and you say, oh, you fucked up. 1.00

02:03:59.000 And then the bureaucracies go, oh, shit. 1.00

02:04:02.000 We didn't fuck up. 1.00

02:04:03.000 And they're going to say, we didn't fuck up to the very... 0.95

02:04:06.000 They'll take that to the very longest lever until either A, they'll scapegoat someone, or B, they can figure out a way that they didn't. 0.52

02:04:13.000 Because looking... 1.00

02:04:15.000 Making a mistake on a bureaucratic level makes it seem like, okay, well, fuck. 1.00

02:04:20.000 And here's the thing. 0.99

02:04:21.000 If USADA says, oh, you know, you're not...

02:04:25.000 You didn't...

02:04:26.000 You're not going to get punished.

02:04:27.000 Then Tim Means and Yoel Romero go...

02:04:31.000 Why did I get punished?

02:04:32.000 Or if you started to say, oh, well, that was a mistake. 0.99

02:04:38.000 Well, if that was a mistake, well then, hey, I got fucked on that mistake. 0.99

02:04:42.000 You're going to take care of me? 0.94

02:04:43.000 So no drug testing is bad, but too much oversight is also bad.

02:04:48.000 I think that a clean sport is A-OK. And the idea of the random testing and all is fine.

02:04:53.000 But you can't...

02:04:56.000 Do it at the expense of the athletes in that we're in the administration of the testing that you're trying to blast them like these three Brazilian guys that just got busted over contamination that they traced back to a compounding pharmacy.

02:05:10.000 I don't know what this is.

02:05:11.000 Who got busted?

02:05:12.000 This is just recent.

02:05:13.000 UFC guys?

02:05:13.000 Three different guys in the UFC and they were all getting supplements from a compounding pharmacy and everything was traced back to it.

02:05:21.000 It almost seems like you shouldn't take any fucking supplements. 0.98

02:05:23.000 Well, that's the other thing. 0.99

02:05:24.000 Are we not allowed to take anything?

02:05:26.000 Anything at all?

02:05:27.000 Nothing?

02:05:28.000 No on it?

02:05:29.000 What are supplements?

02:05:29.000 What do they do?

02:05:30.000 They help your performance.

02:05:32.000 Should we take nothing?

02:05:35.000 Should we just eat food?

02:05:36.000 There's got to be someone out there that's just eating food.

02:05:38.000 Well, there's food that will enhance your performance, too.

02:05:40.000 Right.

02:05:41.000 Like kangaroo meat that Frank Mir took.

02:05:43.000 Can you take some bad kangaroo meat?

02:05:44.000 Oh man, that kangaroo meat. 1.00

02:05:46.000 Fuck, you'd get a good pump on that. 1.00

02:05:48.000 First of all, ain't nobody giving steroids to kangaroos. 1.00

02:05:51.000 Okay? 0.99

02:05:52.000 Kangaroos are fucking everywhere. 0.99

02:05:53.000 Investigation identifies compounding pharmacies as a source of tainted supplements behind three positive tests into the UFC. Jim Dos Santos, Almeida, and Antonio Minotoro. 1.00

02:06:03.000 And here's the weird thing.

02:06:03.000 So it comes all the way down to it.

02:06:05.000 And then their highlight on this is...

02:06:09.000 And, you know, we gave them a suspension, but the time has already elapsed, so they won't actually have to serve any time. 0.89

02:06:15.000 It's like, but you just fucking suspended them nonetheless. 0.76

02:06:19.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:06:19.000 You didn't have to do that. 0.96

02:06:21.000 Right.

02:06:21.000 So it took seven or eight months or whatever for this to get cleared up, and that's unfortunate.

02:06:26.000 Junior tested positive for a diuretic, is that correct?

02:06:29.000 That's what it was.

02:06:30.000 Hydrochlor something. 1.00

02:06:31.000 I believe it's a diuretic, which is crazy because he's a fucking heavyweight. 0.99

02:06:34.000 He's not losing any weight. 0.99

02:06:35.000 And Junior's not on the high side of heavyweight.

02:06:37.000 He's not like a 265 guy that's cutting weight to make the upper limit.

02:06:40.000 He was just trying to keep those wrinkles out of his face.

02:06:42.000 Just trying to look good, baby.

02:06:44.000 That's right.

02:06:44.000 Does diuretics make you look good?

02:06:45.000 Fuck, I don't know. 1.00

02:06:47.000 I thought that made you just shit yourself. 1.00

02:06:49.000 It just dehydrates you, right? 1.00

02:06:51.000 It just pulls all the water out.

02:06:53.000 John Bones Jones.

02:06:54.000 Keep in mind, life is a journey, not a race.

02:06:56.000 God's will for me to be there.

02:06:58.000 Blah, blah, blah, blah.

02:06:59.000 Let's not forget I'm still the youngest guy in the top five of heavyweight and light heavyweight.

02:07:02.000 Yeah, uh-huh.

02:07:04.000 He is young.

02:07:05.000 What is that?

02:07:06.000 What is unique?

02:07:07.000 Mazik.

02:07:07.000 What is that?

02:07:08.000 That's someone's account.

02:07:10.000 Oh, is he responding to somebody?

02:07:11.000 He tweeted that a couple hours ago.

02:07:14.000 Up to a four-year suspension.

02:07:16.000 Okay, right now he remains in a provisional suspension awaiting the outcome of the situation with USADA after testing positive for steroids last July following a knockout win over Cormier.

02:07:26.000 Was it a steroid?

02:07:30.000 Man, I couldn't tell you.

02:07:31.000 John faces up to four-year suspension due to second violation, UFC's anti-doping policy, obviously the youngest side of the champion.

02:07:39.000 But obviously, first of all, when it says second violation, the first violation was proven to be something tainted.

02:07:46.000 When you say violation, I want to hear this guy took steroids.

02:07:51.000 He took steroids because he was trying to get a performance-enhancing result from it.

02:07:56.000 Suspend that guy. 0.99

02:07:58.000 I don't want to hear, oh, he got toothpaste that's from China and it had fucking something in it. 0.99

02:08:03.000 You remember that too, don't you? 0.99

02:08:04.000 Wasn't that a fucking crazy story about the toothpaste that had some poison in it or something that they were selling in China? 0.97

02:08:09.000 Yeah, what was that? 1.00

02:08:10.000 Some wild shit. 1.00

02:08:11.000 What was that? 1.00

02:08:13.000 Toothpaste in China that had poison in it.

02:08:15.000 I'm vaguely remembering this. 1.00

02:08:17.000 I just said it just because it sounds stupid. 0.96

02:08:19.000 But it's a real thing. 0.99

02:08:20.000 Yeah, you just made it up and all of a sudden it's true.

02:08:22.000 It's probably in the back of my memory somewhere that I just...

02:08:25.000 I hear what you're saying.

02:08:26.000 Toxic toothpaste made in China found in the US. Look at it.

02:08:30.000 Surefresh.

02:08:31.000 That's like some people that don't really understand English.

02:08:34.000 Sure.

02:08:35.000 What does that mean?

02:08:36.000 I don't know.

02:08:37.000 Surefresh.

02:08:40.000 I think it's a romanization of a Chinese word.

02:08:44.000 A dollar-plus store in Maine. 0.96

02:08:45.000 They're trying to kill people in Maine. 1.00

02:08:46.000 Goddamn. 1.00

02:08:47.000 It's too green up there. 0.99

02:08:49.000 What was in it?

02:08:51.000 Antifreeze.

02:08:51.000 Okay, cool.

02:08:53.000 It's Maine.

02:08:54.000 Look at how cold it gets up there.

02:08:55.000 Why wouldn't you need antifreeze?

02:08:56.000 They're helping these people out.

02:08:56.000 No, they were doing a good job on it.

02:08:58.000 They don't want their teeth falling out, freezing, shattering like glass.

02:09:01.000 Propylene glycol?

02:09:01.000 Yeah.

02:09:02.000 A little propylene glycol.

02:09:06.000 I'm 100% for testing.

02:09:08.000 I'm 100% for them stopping people from taking performance-enhancing drugs, but this sounds very heavy-handed.

02:09:14.000 I had no problem with the system.

02:09:17.000 The way it unfolded to me was just like, I don't need to be fighting multiple fronts when I'm just trying to do everything I can to stay in this as an athlete.

02:09:28.000 Now, when you first started, I mean, you won the UFC heavyweight title in 2001?

02:09:32.000 Two, at 24 years old.

02:09:34.000 Yeah, youngest ever. 1.00

02:09:36.000 When you won that, man, everybody was on some shit. 0.99

02:09:39.000 It was just, it was the beginning of the cleanup. 0.99

02:09:42.000 It was everywhere.

02:09:43.000 And even then...

02:09:45.000 It was going into the Nevada State Athletic Commission. 0.80

02:09:46.000 Previous to that, before Zufa bought the UFC, the idea of having giant fights in Vegas was fucking a win. 0.51

02:09:53.000 It was just a pipe dream.

02:09:54.000 It was not a possibility, no.

02:09:55.000 It was not going to happen.

02:09:56.000 And even then, like...

02:09:58.000 The testing back in 2002, that wasn't official per se.

02:10:06.000 How about Alistair Overeem when he fought Brock Lesnar? 0.99

02:10:09.000 Fuck 2002. How about when we saw The Reem when he was Overeem? 0.97

02:10:15.000 When he was Overeem when he fought Brock Lesnar? 0.99

02:10:18.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

02:10:19.000 Goddamn comic book hero. 1.00

02:10:21.000 There is not a goddamn drug testing agent alive that would have been, grab him! 1.00

02:10:26.000 Grab him! 0.99

02:10:27.000 Hold him down! 1.00

02:10:28.000 He's clearly over 9,000.

02:10:29.000 Hold on to that guy!

02:10:31.000 Like, get the picture of him on the scale.

02:10:33.000 I mean, that picture's amazing.

02:10:35.000 Look at both of them.

02:10:36.000 Yeah, they're both jacked. 1.00

02:10:37.000 They're fucking oxes, man. 1.00

02:10:38.000 But that one. 1.00

02:10:40.000 Hold him down.

02:10:41.000 Everybody would have been like, hang on, hang on. 1.00

02:10:43.000 What in the fuck? 1.00

02:10:45.000 Could you even get a needle in his vein? 1.00

02:10:46.000 Dude, he was...

02:10:47.000 Just like, ping, just bends.

02:10:48.000 He was so jacked.

02:10:50.000 This part of me just wishes he would leave and go to Japan and go right back to it. 0.98

02:10:55.000 You know, just fill him up. 0.99

02:11:01.000 I mean, look, everybody knew what the fuck it was back then. 0.93

02:11:04.000 I mean, it's interesting, like, Brock Lesnar being back, Brock Lesnar's not asking for Overeem. 0.97

02:11:09.000 Overeem was the last guy to really fuck him up when he wants to fight DC. And Overeem's just not the same guy anymore, clearly.

02:11:16.000 No, he's not.

02:11:17.000 He does not perform at the same level as he does.

02:11:20.000 He's still very good.

02:11:22.000 He's still very dangerous.

02:11:23.000 Here's the thing.

02:11:23.000 Even when he was a 205 pounder, right?

02:11:26.000 And he had a tendency to...

02:11:28.000 Gas out.

02:11:29.000 Gas out and get, you know, be chinny to a degree.

02:11:32.000 But he was always super technical, highly skilled.

02:11:36.000 Like, I don't think you could...

02:11:38.000 Overeem...

02:11:39.000 Him and his brother both are actually very good fighters.

02:11:42.000 Yeah.

02:11:43.000 And, you know, their struggles have never been a physical one for the most part, I think.

02:11:48.000 You know, they've had...

02:11:48.000 And that's a difficulty that is most common amongst fighters is the mental game of it.

02:11:54.000 Well, we saw that with Ngannou this week.

02:11:56.000 I didn't see the fight, but I heard it was one for the ages.

02:11:59.000 It was one for the ages.

02:12:01.000 Someone needed to let some lions loose in that thing and just like, okay, let's crank this up a bit.

02:12:05.000 It was the worst heavyweight fight I've ever seen.

02:12:06.000 It was the worst.

02:12:07.000 Have you seen any of mine before?

02:12:09.000 I'm a big fan.

02:12:10.000 It came down to, it was the second lowest output fight ever.

02:12:18.000 So they couldn't even make it the lowest output fight to be number one.

02:12:21.000 No, they didn't even get to number one.

02:12:22.000 Number one was...

02:12:23.000 They failed at failing. 1.00

02:12:24.000 Jens Pulver versus Joe Hoke from like a fucking UFC... 13 or some shit. 0.98

02:12:31.000 I don't even know what day that fight was. 0.98

02:12:33.000 But that fight was number one with 23 or 22 strikes landed in three rounds.

02:12:41.000 And this fight was number two with 23 strikes landed.

02:12:45.000 That's weird.

02:12:46.000 Dude, it was insane.

02:12:47.000 Go to Francis Ngannou's Instagram.

02:12:52.000 He released a statement today, and his statement was essentially that he carried the fear.

02:12:58.000 He said, I'm not proud of my last performance.

02:13:00.000 I have carried my fear from the last fight to this one.

02:13:04.000 I completely understand the frustration and anger that has caused my fans, coaches, teammates, and family and friends.

02:13:09.000 Weird that he would have fear from the last fight. 0.99

02:13:11.000 We got fucking... 0.99

02:13:12.000 Owned. 0.99

02:13:13.000 Well, yeah, but he got outwrestled.

02:13:15.000 But he didn't know.

02:13:15.000 He thought he was the man, and then he got owned.

02:13:19.000 I won't let everyone down again.

02:13:22.000 All I can do now is prove myself and make you proud again.

02:13:24.000 But look at this picture that he puts up.

02:13:26.000 Yeah, him swinging on him.

02:13:27.000 Him connecting.

02:13:28.000 The one punch.

02:13:29.000 Yeah, I mean, that's kind of funny.

02:13:32.000 It should have been him with his head down.

02:13:34.000 Francis, in the future, if you're going to post a humble shot, look humble.

02:13:38.000 Yeah.

02:13:39.000 This is like, I'm owning him.

02:13:41.000 I can't say that he doesn't legitimately...

02:13:43.000 Maybe he is carrying some kind of fear from the last fight in terms of losing the result. 0.94

02:13:50.000 There's a lot of mindfuck that can go into being a fighter.

02:13:55.000 You've bounced back. 0.97

02:13:57.000 You've been on both sides.

02:14:00.000 The first fight back after a KO loss or after getting dominated, what is that feeling like? 0.98

02:14:09.000 I've been at this shit for so long that for me it's just like, alright, that was then, this is now. 0.99

02:14:14.000 Don't make the same mistakes. 1.00

02:14:16.000 You've experienced everything.

02:14:18.000 You've been submitted.

02:14:19.000 You've been knocked out.

02:14:20.000 You've knocked guys out.

02:14:21.000 You've submitted guys.

02:14:22.000 You've won the title.

02:14:23.000 You've beaten some of the best guys in the world.

02:14:24.000 You've had fantastic performances.

02:14:26.000 You'd have performances that frustrated you.

02:14:28.000 You've experienced it all.

02:14:30.000 In your long career, from being the youngest ever heavyweight champion of the world ever to...

02:14:36.000 How old are you now?

02:14:37.000 40. 40?

02:14:39.000 Dude, you've fucking seen it all. 0.99

02:14:40.000 You've literally seen it all. 0.99

02:14:42.000 How long do you think you can do?

02:14:45.000 I don't know, but I'm planning to run it out.

02:14:47.000 You do a lot more in Japan, bro.

02:14:50.000 Keep going.

02:14:51.000 I also have this bad car habit.

02:14:53.000 Yeah.

02:14:55.000 You need cash.

02:14:56.000 Yeah.

02:14:57.000 You know, 455 Pontiacs don't get built and put into 75 Trans Ams for our Firebirds for free.

02:15:04.000 Well, sometimes they do, if you have the time.

02:15:06.000 That's the other thing. 0.99

02:15:07.000 How are you going to work on your car when you're off all over the world doing all this shit? 0.97

02:15:11.000 Right, doing seminars and doing pro wrestling commentary. 0.98

02:15:14.000 All my fighters.

02:15:14.000 I had two guys just fight this Friday at CXF in Burbank.

02:15:19.000 One of them defended his title, AJ Bryant.

02:15:21.000 The other one, Shohei Yamamoto, won his fight.

02:15:23.000 And for people who don't know, that's not lucrative to train fighters.

02:15:27.000 I mean, at the very highest level, it's barely lucrative.

02:15:31.000 Barely.

02:15:31.000 This isn't a money thing.

02:15:34.000 This is a passion project.

02:15:35.000 And where are you training guys out of?

02:15:36.000 What gym?

02:15:37.000 The UFC gym in La Mirada.

02:15:39.000 They let us use it for a fantastic feat.

02:15:42.000 And we get use of all 55,000 square feet.

02:15:45.000 Oh, that's nice.

02:15:46.000 And we also work a lot with Chad George.

02:15:48.000 He has a gym called CMMA. And we'll go down there, too.

02:15:52.000 Nice.

02:15:53.000 There's good camaraderie between the two groups.

02:15:55.000 Where's La Mirada?

02:15:55.000 Where's that at?

02:15:56.000 Northern Orange County, I would say.

02:15:59.000 Yeah.

02:16:00.000 Is it like...

02:16:01.000 What's the border of Orange County?

02:16:05.000 It's like at that border.

02:16:07.000 It's either southernmost LA County or northernmost Orange County.

02:16:12.000 It's that kind of thing. 0.97

02:16:14.000 Those UFC gyms are fucking badass. 0.98

02:16:16.000 They do a great job. 0.99

02:16:17.000 They are fucking super nice. 0.86

02:16:18.000 And plus they've been an opportunity for fighters. 0.98

02:16:20.000 I think Cub and Bisping also have stakes in some UFC gyms.

02:16:25.000 Yeah, BJ does as well.

02:16:26.000 I believe Frankie Edgar does.

02:16:28.000 Frankie has one in Tom's River.

02:16:30.000 Yeah, there's quite a few of them now.

02:16:33.000 I mean, they're all over the place.

02:16:34.000 Yeah.

02:16:34.000 If you're looking for a place to hit the heavy bag and work out and take some martial arts classes.

02:16:38.000 They often have cages and mats and all that.

02:16:41.000 And so we use those facilities.

02:16:42.000 They've been really great to us.

02:16:44.000 And yeah, with these kids that I work with, and they are pretty much kids, it's just about trying to help people achieve, you know, work towards the things that they want as an athlete, but also they're good people that I want to see them make the most out of their life.

02:16:58.000 Mm-hmm. 0.84

02:17:00.000 Yeah, so I'm trying to be a person that can be a positive influence in terms of Bringing philosophy and ethics to their life and helping them be good people and and to pass that kind of shit on Be the ripple in the water that the drop in the water that sends ripples out that makes a positive effect on other folks Are you a poet? 1.00

02:17:18.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

02:17:19.000 I don't know, bro. 1.00

02:17:20.000 Sometimes, man, it just fucking comes to me, man. 0.99

02:17:22.000 You should put that on an Instagram picture and show your butt, because that's what a lot of those girls do. 1.00

02:17:27.000 They show their butt, and then they have something about, you know, don't let negativity into your life, because the ripples of that negativity can affect the people around you, and you don't want that. 0.98

02:17:36.000 Stay positive. 1.00

02:17:37.000 Look at my ass. 1.00

02:17:39.000 Look at that fucking peach. 1.00

02:17:41.000 Pull up on them undies. 1.00

02:17:42.000 Look at that peach. 1.00

02:17:44.000 Yeah.

02:17:46.000 I think that UFC gym is a brilliant thing.

02:17:49.000 It's a brilliant move. 0.98

02:17:50.000 If I see 24 Hour Fitness and it's right next to UFC gym, I'm like, oh, fucking heavy bags, everything. 0.94

02:17:56.000 The fights are on TV. Put that on. 0.96

02:17:59.000 At least the one in La Mirada has a whole little section that has AstroTurf down and all that with ladders that have been painted into it so you can do foot drills. 0.69

02:18:08.000 They've got sleds and tires and shit.

02:18:12.000 You can do other non-conventional workouts, kettlebells. 0.87

02:18:16.000 So they have really like a real strength and conditioning?

02:18:18.000 Yes, yes.

02:18:18.000 I mean, you can do really anything.

02:18:20.000 They have a whole setup of TRXs and shit like that. 0.99

02:18:22.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:18:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:18:23.000 That's badass. 1.00

02:18:25.000 Yeah, that's what you want from a gym.

02:18:27.000 I mean, you go to a lot of gyms, they just don't have that kind of stuff. 0.72

02:18:30.000 You know, they have your standard stuff, you know, machines and shit you can lift with. 0.89

02:18:35.000 It's just not quite good enough. 0.97

02:18:37.000 I agree.

02:18:38.000 And so this gives you that full spectrum to work in whatever ways you want to just about.

02:18:43.000 Would you be interested in owning your own gym someday?

02:18:46.000 I think about it.

02:18:47.000 I do.

02:18:47.000 I wouldn't mind having my own gym, but it's just such a...

02:18:51.000 I don't want to...

02:18:52.000 Burden isn't the right word, but there's just a lot of responsibility that comes with it.

02:18:55.000 You know, the overhead of having a place and creating a program and having people manage and run those programs.

02:19:02.000 Yeah.

02:19:03.000 And with me being as busy as I am...

02:19:06.000 I wouldn't want to do anything half-assed, and I also don't want to commit to something and then not be able to put into it what I think is necessary.

02:19:15.000 You obviously love teaching.

02:19:16.000 I do.

02:19:17.000 I do love to teach.

02:19:19.000 For me, it was such a big thing in my life.

02:19:22.000 The people...

02:19:23.000 Not just in terms of athletics, but the people that mentored me and helped to mold and shape me and help give me the tools and sometimes a kick in the ass as needed to move me along in life to get me to where I am today.

02:19:37.000 To get me, not just in terms of what you would argue for as successful or not, but just to be the person that I am.

02:19:44.000 And while far from perfect, I can't think about exchanging Bad moments for different moments in my life for the fear of that I wouldn't be who I am today.

02:19:59.000 Nietzsche talks about eternal recurrence and one of the idea of that is that in your loneliest of lonelies of a demon showed up and it said you're going to live your life in every way as you ever have in every single aspect of it.

02:20:13.000 It's like, well, you have to be okay with that.

02:20:16.000 You have to live a life that's reasonable, that you would be fine with doing it all over again, doing it all over again.

02:20:24.000 If you're going to be Sisyphus, you better push on a rock up a hill. 1.00

02:20:29.000 Right.

02:20:29.000 Whatever mistakes you've made, they've made you who you are right now.

02:20:32.000 Correct.

02:20:33.000 And as long as it's not catastrophic to the point where you've caused a loss of life or someone's devastated and destroyed someone else's life.

02:20:39.000 You hope not.

02:20:40.000 You hope not.

02:20:41.000 Yeah.

02:20:41.000 I mean...

02:20:42.000 You know, it's an interesting thing.

02:20:44.000 There's the concept of reincarnation.

02:20:46.000 There's many concepts, but one of them is one of the most haunting for some people is that you will live your life over again exactly the same way until you get it right.

02:20:56.000 I actually heard Elio Gracie talk about this once.

02:20:59.000 That everything in your life, every mistake, every choice you make, if you do not do the correct thing, he believed that you would have to come back again and do it all over again exactly the same way.

02:21:08.000 And this is his philosophy, the way he lived his life.

02:21:11.000 That's terrifying for people.

02:21:12.000 This idea that somehow or another you're going, almost like you're going to repeat high school.

02:21:16.000 Sure.

02:21:16.000 Start off, you know, but here's my question.

02:21:19.000 Man, that was a brutal period of my life.

02:21:21.000 Mine too.

02:21:21.000 But here's my question.

02:21:23.000 I think everybody's.

02:21:24.000 And the people who it wasn't brutal for? 1.00

02:21:26.000 Those fucking people turn out to be losers. 1.00

02:21:29.000 Right? 1.00

02:21:30.000 Who do you know that was the fucking homecoming king? 1.00

02:21:34.000 I mean, that's like a fucking Billy Joel song. 1.00

02:21:36.000 The king and the queen of the prom. 0.99

02:21:38.000 You know, that's scenes from an Italian restaurant.

02:21:42.000 That's literally the premise of that song.

02:21:45.000 I think it was an immortal song, too.

02:21:50.000 Yeah, from Norway.

02:21:51.000 Brenda and Eddie were the popular status and the king and the queen of the prom.

02:21:54.000 Running around with the car top down and the radio on.

02:21:57.000 Nobody looked any finer Or was more of a hit at the Parkway diner And we never knew we could walk more than that out of life Remember that?

02:22:06.000 Oh, Glenn.

02:22:08.000 I like Billy Joel, but I don't know it as well as you do.

02:22:12.000 It's a good song.

02:22:14.000 The idea of living your life over again is terrifying for people, though.

02:22:18.000 The idea of dying alone is...

02:22:19.000 But living over and over and over again for infinity.

02:22:22.000 Sure.

02:22:22.000 But why is that when living right now is fine for most of us?

02:22:27.000 I mean, unless you're depressed.

02:22:29.000 Unless you're depressed and life's a wreck.

02:22:30.000 Living right now is like, okay, I'm alive.

02:22:33.000 I'm here.

02:22:34.000 I'm doing it.

02:22:34.000 Sure.

02:22:35.000 Why are you scared to do it over and over and over again forever?

02:22:37.000 It's a strange thing.

02:22:39.000 There's something like the futility of it all, the idea that this is just a repeating cycle that's just going to haunt you forever.

02:22:47.000 Well, the idea that there would be nothing that you could do to make any effect to it, I mean... 0.98

02:22:55.000 It's a mindfuck.

02:22:56.000 Even still, I couldn't, me personally, I couldn't think of, in terms of like, I want to do something as a mental idea, as a mind game, that if I live my life in a way that I could be okay with doing it all over again just exactly the same way. 0.97

02:23:13.000 And here's the other thing.

02:23:14.000 Would you know that it's going to happen like that?

02:23:16.000 How could you?

02:23:18.000 Well, there was a...

02:23:19.000 I wish I could remember who it was.

02:23:22.000 There was this...

02:23:23.000 A philosopher who was saying that If you were given the ability to absolutely and utterly control your dreams in all aspects and elements of it, and so at first most people would go to sleep and they would turn it into every fucking wonderful thing they've ever wanted.

02:23:42.000 They would just be the ultimate winner at everything all the time, always.

02:23:45.000 And then they would get tired of that.

02:23:46.000 And then they would create chaos and catastrophe and probably make everything as horrible for themselves as they could possibly do.

02:23:55.000 And as they're going through these cycles, ultimately the one thing that you're gonna end up wanting in the end is that you just don't know what's gonna happen at all.

02:24:04.000 By knowing everything prior to it occurring, it takes The want to experience it away.

02:24:13.000 Cormac McCarthy wrote, how many people, if they knew the path of their lives, would still choose to live it?

02:24:23.000 Right.

02:24:24.000 Well, isn't that ultimately expressed by fighting?

02:24:27.000 Fighting is the ultimate expression of that, because when you step into that cage, if it's just you and you're looking across the ring at another guy who's a legitimate top-flight person, Mixed martial artist.

02:24:38.000 Yeah.

02:24:38.000 And you really don't know.

02:24:40.000 I have a theory about fighting and that fighting is actually a, not the only, but a great conduit into what I think of as the highest point of being as a human being.

02:24:54.000 That you can enter into this state that it's not a place that you can exist at all the time.

02:25:01.000 Like it's just not possible.

02:25:03.000 But when you reach it, it's as if you are so alive and you're the peak of being at that moment.

02:25:14.000 And even though it is brought on through being in the intensity and the stress of combat, it's as if every aspect of your being is charged and electric and living and being.

02:25:28.000 But it's not a place you could be at all the time.

02:25:31.000 You would just be... 0.99

02:25:32.000 A maniac. 0.92

02:25:33.000 It's not a place that human beings can exist in for more than maybe short periods of time.

02:25:39.000 Hmm.

02:25:40.000 Well, your senses have to be insanely heightened.

02:25:45.000 The consequences of your actions are grave.

02:25:48.000 The only thing that really is elevated past that is war.

02:25:51.000 And one of the things that you find about war, and Sebastian Junger wrote about this in his book Tribe, is that the people that experience it have an incredibly difficult time adjusting to regular life.

02:26:02.000 Sure.

02:26:02.000 And they really miss it and want to go back to it because they never felt more alive.

02:26:06.000 Well, I believe that war is a similar place.

02:26:08.000 I think that when you are faced with death, That that is a conduit to bringing you towards that highest point of being.

02:26:18.000 And yeah, I suppose it's like that once you get past that point of there is no fear at that level either.

02:26:26.000 It is just an existence.

02:26:29.000 You don't consider, you don't think, you don't...

02:26:32.000 Something isn't this or that.

02:26:35.000 It just is.

02:26:36.000 And it's a place that you can't be forever.

02:26:41.000 It doesn't work that way. 0.99

02:26:42.000 But when you've been there and you're just out here dealing with petty fucking internet trolls and dumb shit and people doing stuff that cut their nose and spite their face and undermining this and the fabric of our relationships for no good reason... 0.99

02:26:58.000 It's tough to sit and exist in this and go, fuck, you know, how do you get back to that other thing, this state of purity, this existence of where none of those things matter anymore? 0.99

02:27:14.000 I don't know if you can I mean you you might have I mean look we have a certain amount of time on this on this planet in this life, right? 0.98

02:27:22.000 You have a hundred years if everything goes great you can't really expect to just live in that that perfect state of both chaos and and Chaos and I guess being in the moment there's there's something about something that's dangerous and intense and Overwhelmingly filled with anticipation

02:27:52.000 beforehand and and that the preparation is all consuming There's very few things in life that are the like these big moments like a person stepping into a cage for a fight and The consequences are so grave.

02:28:09.000 For your emotions, for your physical health, there's really nothing like it.

02:28:15.000 To expect that you would find something else similar in life and to be able to achieve a similar state outside of that, I don't think you ever will because I feel like Part of what makes what you do and what all fighters do so intense and so incredibly enjoyable to watch is that we all know how much is on the line.

02:28:41.000 I think, I believe I'm 100% in agreeance with you there, and I think race car drivers and fighter pilots, I think people like that also likely experience that state of being as well.

02:28:54.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

02:28:55.000 Yeah, fighter pilots, it has to be.

02:28:57.000 You know, fighter pilots, apparently, I was reading some story about this, about wife swapping.

02:29:04.000 They're more inclined to have polyamorous relationships.

02:29:08.000 Really?

02:29:09.000 Yeah, and then they wife swap because the idea was that they know that their life easily could be wiped out any day, at any time.

02:29:19.000 And the people they care about the most, their wife or their girlfriend, that they want other people to love them because they might not be there.

02:29:27.000 Interesting.

02:29:28.000 And that they would want the people they care about the most to love them.

02:29:31.000 Because, yeah, they're thinking in an altruistic fashion of doing what they can, I suppose, to help this person that they care so much about continue to find joy in their life because of their realization that what joy they may be able to derive from them specifically is always on a thin line of not being there anymore.

02:29:54.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:29:55.000 That's fucking intense. 1.00

02:29:57.000 You love someone so much you want other people to fuck them because you're not going to be there. 1.00

02:30:01.000 How do I get on that list? 0.99

02:30:02.000 Well, it's the...

02:30:03.000 You're probably already on.

02:30:05.000 You just got to ask.

02:30:06.000 I suppose.

02:30:08.000 Which comes back to the one thing that is, I think, poison in life, which is to live a dull life. 0.99

02:30:16.000 A boring, no risk-taking, no thrills, no challenge, no growth, no knowledge, no learning, just this stagnant, bullshit life that is so prevalent in our society. 0.99

02:30:30.000 I think it's one of the main problems with our world. 0.96

02:30:33.000 Is that we have set up these really safe cities and safe societies and cultures, which is wonderful.

02:30:40.000 It's great.

02:30:41.000 But also, we haven't given people the discipline or the structure or the framework for living a life that's going to satisfy your needs in terms of your biological needs, your psychological needs.

02:30:57.000 Yes, and people start determining that Totally inane things are what their needs are.

02:31:04.000 Well, it's because they're difficult to acquire, right?

02:31:06.000 You think a Ferrari's going to make you happy because a Ferrari's hard to get.

02:31:09.000 Sure, very.

02:31:09.000 You look at it like, how much does it cost?

02:31:11.000 Shit, if I just had that, man, I'd be ballin'. 1.00

02:31:13.000 I'd be driving around. 1.00

02:31:14.000 He's so rad.

02:31:15.000 I have this Ferrari.

02:31:16.000 Yeah, I'd be ballin'.

02:31:17.000 But then you get that Ferrari, you're like, this is just a car.

02:31:20.000 Unless you just really love cars, you could love your Firebird and you appreciate it from a mechanical standpoint.

02:31:27.000 You want to step back and look at it.

02:31:28.000 It's enjoyable. 1.00

02:31:29.000 But if you think that fucking thing is going to make you happy, you're crazy. 1.00

02:31:32.000 Not more happy than me being happy with who I am as a person and the life that I'm living. 1.00

02:31:39.000 The Firebird can't do that.

02:31:41.000 There is no item.

02:31:42.000 I have to sit back all the time and try to think for myself that...

02:31:50.000 I love my library that I have.

02:31:52.000 All the books within it.

02:31:53.000 I love the cars that I have.

02:31:54.000 I love the relationships that I have.

02:31:57.000 Instead of the relationships, it's just the things.

02:31:59.000 And it's like, these are all great things.

02:32:02.000 But if I don't have them, I am still me.

02:32:04.000 I still have everything that I need in this world.

02:32:07.000 I don't like to think about them being lost, destroyed.

02:32:12.000 I certainly hate the idea of it being destroyed.

02:32:14.000 Because even if it wasn't in my hands, I'd like them to still exist for others.

02:32:18.000 But without them, I'm no different than who I am now.

02:32:22.000 And I guess that's kind of a thinking of, like, the Stoics.

02:32:26.000 Well, you've been more defined by your accomplishments and your thinking and your philosophy.

02:32:30.000 Well, there's lots of things that people, obviously, they couldn't know about me.

02:32:35.000 Because it's not the kind of thing that is just who I am, right?

02:32:41.000 And I don't...

02:32:43.000 I need someone to know whether or not I'm smart or whether or not I know this or whether or not I can do that.

02:32:48.000 It's like I'll do it when I need to do it and I have to try and look to see that I have my own inner peace is based on my own self-knowledge and knowledge also that I am lacking.

02:32:59.000 That I can be better.

02:33:00.000 And if I want to, I can choose to.

02:33:02.000 In those days that I don't, it was a choice not to be better.

02:33:05.000 It wasn't that I couldn't.

02:33:06.000 Because even going and failing, like we talked about before, is a worthwhile endeavor.

02:33:10.000 Because it'll move you towards either A, eventually getting there, or B, that it's not something that's going to be yours.

02:33:17.000 But you know what it is, and you know what it takes to get there.

02:33:20.000 And that's a different perspective altogether.

02:33:22.000 And that is where I feel like that's where I can be okay in this world.

02:33:31.000 There's all kinds of things that can draw your focus and really eat at you and bother you.

02:33:37.000 And you're giving weight to these things and allowing them to have an effect on you.

02:33:41.000 And that's natural.

02:33:43.000 That's a normal thing, and it's easy to fall into.

02:33:46.000 But if you can be okay with, all right, if all I'm left with is just me and what I have, if I no longer have anything, no more luxuries, no more this, no more that, can you be okay with that?

02:34:00.000 What kind of life would you make of this?

02:34:02.000 And I like to think, the same one I have now. 0.99

02:34:05.000 You can pick me up here, take all my shit away, throw me some other part of the world, a third world country, and it will be jarring. 1.00

02:34:14.000 It will be difficult. 0.99

02:34:15.000 There will be some lament, of course, but I will continue to be who I am.

02:34:20.000 I will see what is necessary to communicate with others and to continue to propagate this that I'm trying to create in me.

02:34:30.000 Yeah, I think we're all trying to navigate this really incredibly difficult thing, which is your life.

02:34:36.000 The emotions, your goals, your tasks, your relationships, your dreams and aspirations.

02:34:44.000 All these things are just so complicated.

02:34:46.000 And the whole idea of not knowing...

02:34:49.000 What the future holds is stressful, but it's also incredibly rewarding when things work out well. 0.98

02:34:55.000 And even when they don't work out well, what's rewarding about that is you get the gift of knowing that you fucked up and you get the gift of the feeling of fucking up and the horrible, just the feeling of failure and to understand that that's fuel for you to regroup Repackage your fucking thoughts and now move forward with the knowledge of the mistakes that you've made and you're gonna be a better person for that. 0.99

02:35:21.000 How can you fuck up if you don't do anything? 0.98

02:35:23.000 If you don't ever dare? 0.99

02:35:24.000 You don't.

02:35:25.000 If you just sit back and you try to lead the simplest, safest version of a life, it's not a life.

02:35:31.000 It's not a life.

02:35:32.000 And it's not a life.

02:35:33.000 I can really imagine that anyone can really be truly fulfilled living and Things are ultimately incredibly soft on us.

02:35:43.000 I mean, we have pressures in other ways, but ultimately, most of us are living quite comfortable lives with no immediate dangers and no No real impetus to put stress on ourselves where it doesn't exist at times.

02:35:59.000 Because let's just say you want to learn new language.

02:36:01.000 That's agitation in terms of forcing you to have to endure something.

02:36:07.000 There's some suffering in that.

02:36:08.000 And I believe in the Nietzschean concept of suffering creates growth.

02:36:13.000 Life is suffering.

02:36:14.000 Suffering doesn't have to be catastrophic.

02:36:16.000 It doesn't have to be the sort of thing that Is going to debilitate you, but that suffering is needed for you to continue to become better.

02:36:26.000 For sure, with everything, with exercise, with learning, with everything, with even relationships, learning in relationships.

02:36:33.000 All those uncomfortable feelings are how you learn.

02:36:36.000 Yes, learning in relationships.

02:36:37.000 I've always said to friends of mine, the first time they have a big blowout with something, they call me up. 1.00

02:36:44.000 Oh, fuck, you know, so-and-so said this, and I don't know how their dick ended up there, and all this stuff. 0.96

02:36:50.000 I'm just like, look, ultimately, yeah, no one wants to get into a row with someone, especially someone that you really care about, but If this is an important relationship, the only way it becomes a relationship that has that deeper, lasting meaning and that really has any real depth to it at all is what you do when you guys are faced with adversity. 0.99

02:37:09.000 That shows you what relationship you have.

02:37:11.000 Because when things are fun and easy, anybody can be a part of it.

02:37:15.000 We're all just, you know, humping and drinking and going out and woo!

02:37:18.000 That's great. 0.99

02:37:19.000 Fucking wonderful. 0.98

02:37:20.000 Does sound good. 0.98

02:37:21.000 Yeah, it's not bad.

02:37:24.000 As a single guy, I'm constantly looking for that opportunity.

02:37:27.000 Ladies, if you're looking to hump and drink. 1.00

02:37:30.000 Hump and drink. 0.99

02:37:31.000 It's mainly whiskey and coffee, but drinking and humping.

02:37:34.000 And muscle cars, if you're into that.

02:37:37.000 But when you get into these, all of a sudden, adversity comes across your doorstep.

02:37:44.000 How you'd handle that.

02:37:45.000 And, you know, whether you're the person who brought it or you're the person who's enduring it from the other side.

02:37:51.000 And if you haven't experienced that in your life and all of a sudden you experience it in a relationship, man, you might not be ready.

02:37:56.000 That's true.

02:37:57.000 You might not have the tools.

02:37:58.000 Yeah.

02:37:59.000 Think about everything that you do that's difficult, right?

02:38:01.000 It gives you the tools to navigate difficult situations in the other aspects of your life.

02:38:05.000 Agreed.

02:38:06.000 Yeah.

02:38:07.000 It is the stresses of having to deal with a problem and how you handle that problem because there will never be any shortage of problems, of difficulties from great to small.

02:38:18.000 And your way of mitigating those problems and dealing with them is so important.

02:38:27.000 It determines how it works out for you. 0.99

02:38:29.000 That's right, bitches. 1.00

02:38:30.000 Josh Barnett, dropping knowledge like advertised. 0.99

02:38:33.000 Let's wrap this up.

02:38:34.000 Josh, you're the man.

02:38:36.000 Always a pleasure, brother.

02:38:37.000 We got to do this more often.

02:38:38.000 We do it like once a year now.

02:38:39.000 I would love to come in more often.

02:38:41.000 I especially would love to even at some point, like when you've got Brett in here and you've got Jordan and all that, just talk on philosophy.

02:38:49.000 We'll do something like that. 0.97

02:38:50.000 I love the shit out of it. 0.92

02:38:51.000 Let's do it. 0.64

02:38:52.000 Josh Barnett, ladies and gentlemen.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 10, 2010

JRE MMA Show #34 with Josh Barnett

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