The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #37 with Mark DellaGrotte

00:00:02.000 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Boom!

00:00:07.000 And we're live, Mark Delagrate!

00:00:09.000 What up?

00:00:10.000 Most of the time, if you and I are talking on a microphone, it's when you're in the truck, and I'm talking to you right before a big fight.

00:00:17.000 People don't realize, like, you're the guy I talk to.

00:00:19.000 Yeah, man.

00:00:20.000 A lot of shit talking going on.

00:00:21.000 You do a lot of shit talking.

00:00:22.000 A lot of things we probably shouldn't say.

00:00:25.000 Luckily, it doesn't make the broadcast, though.

00:00:27.000 Well, when that one got leaked, when Aldo was about to fight Conor, and I said, he does not look good.

00:00:33.000 I said, he looks nervous as fuck.

00:00:35.000 I remember that.

00:00:36.000 His body looks flat.

00:00:37.000 Soft and flat.

00:00:37.000 Yeah, and then he got flatlined.

00:00:39.000 Yeah, well, you were right.

00:00:41.000 I was right in that regard.

00:00:43.000 That did make program, didn't it?

00:00:45.000 Well, what happened was somebody recorded it.

00:00:48.000 I was talking to you, I think, and I was talking to Bruce.

00:00:53.000 And somebody just decided to be a little twat.

00:00:58.000 Dude, I'm paranoid in that truck sometimes.

00:01:00.000 You have to be now.

00:01:01.000 I'm going to push the wrong fucking button, and I'm going to be talking shit to you or Marin or something.

00:01:06.000 Well, that was one where it was interesting.

00:01:09.000 I was like, oh, okay.

00:01:11.000 Well, somebody's a fucking asshole.

00:01:13.000 You're privy to this sort of inside banter to release that and make it public.

00:01:19.000 I would never say that publicly, so I was very upset that they did that.

00:01:23.000 But it was honest.

00:01:24.000 No, you're right.

00:01:25.000 It was honest.

00:01:26.000 He did look like shit.

00:01:27.000 But damn, he looked good last weekend.

00:01:29.000 He looked unbelievable.

00:01:31.000 I'm happy for him, man.

00:01:31.000 I love Jeremy Stevens.

00:01:33.000 I love Jeremy Stevens.

00:01:34.000 Great guy.

00:01:34.000 I mean, you know, we're cool with everybody.

00:01:36.000 We work for the company.

00:01:37.000 You've got to get to know everybody.

00:01:38.000 You've got to be cool with everybody.

00:01:39.000 But it was good to see Jose Aldo back on top, man.

00:01:42.000 He needed that bad, dude.

00:01:44.000 I'm always happy when someone wins with a liver shot.

00:01:48.000 Because it's one of those weird punches.

00:01:51.000 You'll see someone, you'll see two guys, and they exchange good shots to the body, and they seem like they have no effect.

00:01:59.000 Obviously they hurt, but they'll deal with it and keep fighting.

00:02:02.000 And then every now and then you see, whap!

00:02:04.000 And then, ugh!

00:02:05.000 You see that liver shot where the legs go out and the body gives in.

00:02:09.000 It's like, man, that is crazy that we have this one area that sometimes works.

00:02:15.000 Yep.

00:02:15.000 Because sometimes it doesn't work.

00:02:17.000 Right?

00:02:18.000 That's right.

00:02:18.000 A liver shot's weird.

00:02:20.000 Man, and it's delayed.

00:02:21.000 That's the funniest part about it.

00:02:22.000 There's like a split-second delay where you're like, I got this.

00:02:26.000 You just fold over.

00:02:27.000 If you saw that, too, there was a body shot that he threw.

00:02:30.000 He threw a rear, a right hand to the body, and then the left liver shot.

00:02:34.000 So I think it's kind of like...

00:02:35.000 You know, you take the first punch, and then you brace, and you got it, and then you relax for a second, and that's when your diaphragm and your liver starts vibrating.

00:02:44.000 I wish it made sense.

00:02:46.000 Well, here it is right here.

00:02:47.000 We can see it again.

00:02:49.000 Weird video.

00:02:50.000 Yeah, watch.

00:02:50.000 He throws the right hand to the body first.

00:02:55.000 There it is and there it is.

00:02:56.000 Boom!

00:02:57.000 Double body shot.

00:02:58.000 Yeah.

00:02:58.000 And Jeremy's a banger too, man.

00:03:00.000 That's a tough dude, man, to get dropped from a body shot.

00:03:03.000 Yeah, and to make that face too.

00:03:05.000 You can't hide it.

00:03:05.000 It must have hurt so bad.

00:03:06.000 Yeah, man.

00:03:07.000 Well, Kevin Ross is the only guy that I've ever seen hide it.

00:03:10.000 Kevin Ross got...

00:03:11.000 He was fighting in Bellator.

00:03:13.000 Not his last fight, but maybe the previous fight.

00:03:17.000 And he got hit in the first round with a spinning back kick right in the liver.

00:03:22.000 And he just...

00:03:24.000 You could see, he just kept moving and he said he was in ultimate agony.

00:03:28.000 Absolutely.

00:03:29.000 But he didn't show shit and his opponent didn't know.

00:03:32.000 I mean, he really pulled it off.

00:03:34.000 He really pulled it off.

00:03:36.000 He figured out how to just He's so mentally strong, though, that guy.

00:03:40.000 He just figured out how to suck it up and just deal with the pain.

00:03:44.000 It's tough to do in kickboxing and boxing, too, because it's not like you can jump guard or stall or grapple.

00:03:49.000 You can't hide that.

00:03:51.000 You get hit like that, and you've got to keep fighting.

00:03:53.000 Especially kickboxing as opposed to Muay Thai.

00:03:55.000 You can't even really clinch.

00:03:57.000 Right, exactly, especially with these new rules.

00:03:59.000 Do you like that?

00:04:00.000 No.

00:04:01.000 I don't either.

00:04:02.000 I don't like it.

00:04:02.000 It's not the art.

00:04:03.000 I think everything that's going on with...

00:04:06.000 You know, these new rules.

00:04:07.000 Even when K1 first came out and all that, it's kind of like what I consider like a takeoff of Muay Thai.

00:04:12.000 It's not Muay Thai, but they call it Muay Thai.

00:04:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:14.000 It's not Muay Thai.

00:04:15.000 You know, it's not the real art.

00:04:17.000 K1 was like the Japanese said, not enough brain damage.

00:04:20.000 Not enough.

00:04:21.000 You need more brain damage.

00:04:22.000 And I think they just sucked at the clinch because the Thais are so good at it.

00:04:26.000 They wanted to give themselves a chance to actually compete with some of the best in the world.

00:04:30.000 So they said, all right, let's limit their weapons.

00:04:32.000 Isn't that interesting?

00:04:33.000 Because wouldn't you think that they would just learn the clinch?

00:04:36.000 Man, I wish they would.

00:04:37.000 That's one of the most intricate parts of Muay Thai.

00:04:40.000 That's where all the gambling goes.

00:04:41.000 That's where all the points come from.

00:04:43.000 You can punch the shit out of somebody and you get nowhere and then you start clenching and the knees start coming and the little turnovers and trips.

00:04:49.000 The Thais love that shit, man.

00:04:50.000 That's the real art.

00:04:51.000 There's so much grappling involved in Thai boxing that's overlooked.

00:04:55.000 And to have rules that take away grappling, take away clinch work, makes no sense to me.

00:05:01.000 It's half the art at that point.

00:05:02.000 It's also a really underappreciated thing in terms of how they score it.

00:05:08.000 We don't score the same way.

00:05:11.000 If you're watching a tie fight, and if you were an American, you'd be like, ah, there's a bunch of hugging, yeah, you got off a couple of knees, but the other guy hit him with some good right hands and a good jab.

00:05:20.000 So funny you say that.

00:05:21.000 Not really.

00:05:22.000 I just had this lesson with my students the other night, you know, doing a, let's talk about the rules, how to win the judges, so to say.

00:05:29.000 Yeah.

00:05:29.000 The Dutch rules are different than the Thai rules, and America is kind of fucked up and lost in between all of it.

00:05:35.000 The Dutch consider it like a hand block.

00:05:38.000 If you block with your hands like this, it's a block in Holland.

00:05:42.000 The Thai, that's not a block.

00:05:43.000 That's a point.

00:05:43.000 You get the point.

00:05:44.000 Really?

00:05:45.000 Yeah, man.

00:05:45.000 It's different.

00:05:46.000 You have to block with your legs in Thai box in order to show that you've blocked and nullified the attack.

00:05:50.000 Really?

00:05:51.000 And the points, like the punches score big in Holland, low kicks score big, and they mean shit to the Thais.

00:05:56.000 You could punch the shit out of somebody for a full round and then just get two clean body kicks off.

00:06:02.000 And all the Thais are like, oh, hey, hey, you got that.

00:06:04.000 The gambling starts going.

00:06:05.000 So a lot of these foreigners go to Thailand and they think they're doing well and then they lose decisions and they wonder why.

00:06:10.000 It's because they don't understand the rules.

00:06:12.000 And vice versa, the Thais go to Holland.

00:06:15.000 And, you know, they think they're doing well and the guy's punching the shit out of them and they're kind of blocking partially and then they lose decisions as well.

00:06:22.000 So it's very different between the judging and the scoring between Dutch kickboxing and real Muay Thai.

00:06:28.000 Very different.

00:06:29.000 Yeah, I remember when Ramon Decker was fighting over in Thailand, and one of the things that he shocked a lot of those guys was with his hand techniques.

00:06:39.000 He was able to close the distance and just unleash a barrage of explosive knockout punches and take guys out, where I think they'd become more accustomed to that not happening.

00:06:52.000 Very true.

00:06:54.000 You also become accustomed to not being assaulted in the first round.

00:06:57.000 Very much so.

00:06:58.000 I remember one of the fights I had early in my career in Thailand.

00:07:01.000 I was so excited to be fighting at a big fair, big festival, fighting this big-name Thai, and I threw an elbow in the first round.

00:07:08.000 Because I had the opportunity to throw the elbow, I threw the elbow, and I landed, and the guy put his glove up to his head to see if he was bleeding any.

00:07:16.000 Gave me that mean look and nodded and it was game on from there.

00:07:19.000 And I went back to the corner and my Thai trainers were yelling at me like, the fuck are you doing?

00:07:22.000 You throw elbows.

00:07:23.000 I was like, elbows illegal, right?

00:07:25.000 Yeah, but not first round.

00:07:26.000 Now he angry you.

00:07:27.000 I was like, what the fuck?

00:07:28.000 Now he angry you?

00:07:29.000 Now he angry you.

00:07:30.000 Thai-Glish.

00:07:31.000 Half Thai, half English.

00:07:32.000 Was that bad?

00:07:32.000 Dude, it was apparently.

00:07:34.000 I was just excited to be fighting in Thailand using elbows because a lot of times in the States, you know, we can't use them and the rules are limited.

00:07:39.000 And I was in Thailand and there was a festival at night and the Fucking lights are on and the ties are betting.

00:07:44.000 And I was like, game on.

00:07:45.000 Let's go.

00:07:46.000 Trainers were mad at me for throwing the elbow.

00:07:48.000 And then there was other fights I had where they were like, oh, be careful for elbow.

00:07:51.000 This festival fight.

00:07:52.000 No doctor here.

00:07:53.000 Hospital far away.

00:07:55.000 It's like, you guys are fucking my head all up.

00:07:58.000 No doctor here.

00:07:59.000 Hospital far away.

00:08:01.000 I remember my trainer saying that.

00:08:02.000 He's like, be careful for elbow.

00:08:03.000 I was like, thanks, fucking tips.

00:08:05.000 Like, I know.

00:08:06.000 Watch out for elbows.

00:08:06.000 He's like, yeah, but no doctor here.

00:08:08.000 Not stadium.

00:08:09.000 This festival.

00:08:13.000 Dude, you got such a good Thai accent.

00:08:15.000 Dude, my Thai-glish is on point, bro.

00:08:17.000 Don't even go there.

00:08:18.000 Don't even go there.

00:08:19.000 It's so funny.

00:08:20.000 Don't make me do a ladyboy.

00:08:21.000 With a heavy Boston accent.

00:08:23.000 Dude, you ever hear Stitch Duran speak Thai?

00:08:26.000 Stitch did some R&R in the service in Thailand.

00:08:30.000 And man, like, you know, you say like, that's like the property.

00:08:33.000 He's like, man, he like speaks like a Thai essay.

00:08:36.000 It's hilarious, dude.

00:08:38.000 It's the funniest thing, man.

00:08:40.000 How do you say thank you again?

00:08:44.000 Yeah, if you roll the R's, it's like real, like almost like aristocrat.

00:08:48.000 Like you stick out like a sore thumb if you're a white dude.

00:08:50.000 But women don't say that.

00:08:52.000 They say...

00:08:53.000 Ka is like the feminine polite particle.

00:08:58.000 It looks like K-R-U-P, but it's actually the cup.

00:09:01.000 That's the male polite particle.

00:09:04.000 And then everybody...

00:09:05.000 They all stretch everything out.

00:09:08.000 Everything is like...

00:09:10.000 I go with you now.

00:09:12.000 Where you go, mister?

00:09:15.000 It's just like...

00:09:16.000 I don't know.

00:09:17.000 It's the twang, I guess.

00:09:18.000 It's that Thai twang.

00:09:19.000 They're the nicest people on earth.

00:09:21.000 They're sweet.

00:09:22.000 They're so nice, man.

00:09:23.000 Not all of them.

00:09:24.000 It's the land of smiles, but you'll find some fucking frowns here and there, I'll tell you that much, dude.

00:09:28.000 Of course.

00:09:29.000 Well, especially in the fight game.

00:09:30.000 Yeah.

00:09:31.000 There's no getting around the fight game.

00:09:32.000 You're going to have some mean motherfuckers.

00:09:34.000 Very true.

00:09:35.000 But the fighters are cool, though, man.

00:09:37.000 I remember one of my first fights in Thailand.

00:09:39.000 Well, at least my Raja Dominand fight in 2003. I had breakfast with my opponent, and it was like...

00:09:43.000 Really?

00:09:44.000 Yeah, super chill.

00:09:45.000 Like, we weighed in butt naked next to each other, which was awkward as fuck, but...

00:09:49.000 Like, do we really have to be naked?

00:09:51.000 And the Thai's like, yeah, you gotta get down, bro.

00:09:53.000 And I was like, I don't want to get naked.

00:09:54.000 I'm on weight.

00:09:55.000 Don't worry.

00:09:55.000 I'll leave my underwear on.

00:09:56.000 They were like, no, underwear off.

00:09:58.000 That's how we do it at Ratchet Island Stadium.

00:09:59.000 And I was like, shit.

00:10:00.000 So butt naked, weighed in my opponent, went next door and had breakfast with him, shooting the shit.

00:10:04.000 It's kind of cool, Nick.

00:10:05.000 But it is a cool place, man.

00:10:07.000 I remember the first time I went to Thailand, I came home and I was homesick.

00:10:11.000 And I was fucked up, dude.

00:10:12.000 It felt weird.

00:10:12.000 I was like...

00:10:13.000 I felt lonely and lost.

00:10:15.000 And I had family here.

00:10:17.000 My wife now, I was with her at the time.

00:10:19.000 We weren't married at the time.

00:10:20.000 But I had family.

00:10:22.000 I had friends.

00:10:22.000 I was very much connected.

00:10:24.000 Old-school Sicilian family, Boston-based, deep roots.

00:10:27.000 And I just felt awkward and weird.

00:10:29.000 I was away from home.

00:10:31.000 I was homesick.

00:10:31.000 You missed Thailand.

00:10:32.000 I missed Thailand.

00:10:33.000 My very first trip, I remember leaving the airport and I was driving and I had nothing but smiles for like a month and a half straight and I was leaving Logan Airport in Boston and some truck driver cut me off and stuck his head out the window and was like, fuck you man!

00:10:45.000 Gave me the finger.

00:10:47.000 Chill.

00:10:47.000 He wanted to get up and fight, and I was like, bro, I'll snap your neck, but I don't want to fight nobody.

00:10:51.000 I'm Buddha now.

00:10:52.000 I like this vibe.

00:10:54.000 I want to go back to Thailand.

00:10:55.000 It was weird, man.

00:10:56.000 It was definitely trippy, though, but something brought me, something very deep and spiritual brought me to Thailand, brought me to the kingdom.

00:11:03.000 That is the opposite way I feel about Boston.

00:11:06.000 When I go back to Boston and I see hostility, I smile.

00:11:09.000 I'm like, ah!

00:11:11.000 I remember this.

00:11:12.000 Right.

00:11:13.000 And people cut people off.

00:11:14.000 You fucking queer!

00:11:15.000 Like, oh yeah.

00:11:17.000 Come on.

00:11:18.000 This is where I grew up.

00:11:19.000 It is awesome.

00:11:20.000 There's something unique about Boston people.

00:11:23.000 And I'm telling you, man, I've told this to people.

00:11:24.000 When you've got to get up at fucking 6 in the morning to shovel 17 inches of snow off your fucking frozen windshield to go to work and sit in traffic and beep and be angry at each other.

00:11:34.000 It just makes a different person.

00:11:35.000 It definitely makes a different sense of humor.

00:11:39.000 There's a certain connection that I have to those Northeast comedians, guys like Bill Burr.

00:11:45.000 Bill and I did a show Wednesday night.

00:11:47.000 Whenever I'm around a guy from Boston, it's so obvious.

00:11:52.000 It's like, there's a certain, and there's also a certain respect for people's attention span.

00:11:57.000 Very much so.

00:11:57.000 Because one of the good things about starting out in Boston was like, people didn't give a fuck.

00:12:01.000 Like, they don't have any time for your dilly-dallying up there.

00:12:04.000 You better come with the jokes, God.

00:12:06.000 So true, man.

00:12:06.000 First trip to LA, I don't know, it was LA, San Francisco, I think, at the time when I was younger.

00:12:11.000 Went to some random sandwich shop.

00:12:13.000 I was like, I'm hungry.

00:12:14.000 I was like, give me one of those joints right there.

00:12:15.000 And the guy was taking his time.

00:12:17.000 And I was like, bro, I'm in a fucking rush.

00:12:18.000 And my buddy was like, dude, watch the F-bombs.

00:12:21.000 I was like, what do you mean?

00:12:22.000 He's like, just watch the F-bombs.

00:12:23.000 So the guy comes out with a sandwich and there's this little fucking peanut half sandwich.

00:12:27.000 I go, what the fuck am I going to do with that?

00:12:28.000 And he's like, I'm sorry.

00:12:30.000 I was like, where's the other half?

00:12:31.000 And he's like, that's it, sir.

00:12:33.000 And I was like, bro, I need another fucking sandwich.

00:12:35.000 He's like, uh.

00:12:36.000 I'm going to have to charge you for it.

00:12:38.000 And I was like, charge me, dude.

00:12:39.000 What have you got to do, bro?

00:12:40.000 I'm fucking hungry.

00:12:41.000 And, like, literally everybody behind me in line just started dispersing and, like, left the store.

00:12:45.000 And my buddy was like, bro, I can't take you anywhere around here.

00:12:48.000 Really?

00:12:49.000 It was rough, man.

00:12:50.000 How old were you back then?

00:12:51.000 Probably maybe 20, 20 years old, maybe.

00:12:54.000 Yeah, see, that's a different Mark Della Grotti and a different San Francisco.

00:12:57.000 Very true.

00:12:58.000 San Francisco was like super calm, lefty back then.

00:13:03.000 Now San Francisco's different.

00:13:05.000 San Francisco is homeless people projectile shitting into the streets.

00:13:09.000 Yeah, and really expensive real estate and tech dorts who speak in, they have a specific language in San Francisco.

00:13:20.000 Really?

00:13:20.000 Yeah, it's called upspeak.

00:13:22.000 Is that a fact?

00:13:23.000 Yeah.

00:13:24.000 This is how I describe it as a language, but tech people in San Francisco, and if you're a tech person in San Francisco and you do this, stop it.

00:13:32.000 Because they do this.

00:13:34.000 They talk to you.

00:13:36.000 Like, here's the deal.

00:13:37.000 Like, what we're trying to do with our startup.

00:13:41.000 Stop it, please.

00:13:41.000 So the end of all, you know, the car at the car.

00:13:45.000 Yeah.

00:13:45.000 When the Thai talk like that.

00:13:48.000 That's the San Francisco 20. San Francisco's version of that is up speak.

00:13:51.000 Fuck, dude.

00:13:51.000 I kill myself.

00:13:53.000 And...

00:13:54.000 Goes up.

00:13:55.000 So what we're trying to...

00:13:57.000 And what it is is like they're faking it.

00:13:59.000 They're trying to...

00:14:01.000 Like when you want to pretend to be intelligent or tech savvy or in...

00:14:05.000 And it's a very left-wing thing, too.

00:14:08.000 It's only people who are super liberal and super progressive.

00:14:11.000 Like you can't say...

00:14:12.000 You couldn't talk like that and go...

00:14:14.000 Donald Trump, although he's problematic, has some really good points in regards to business.

00:14:21.000 Like, you couldn't say that.

00:14:23.000 Bro, please stop.

00:14:25.000 I've heard enough.

00:14:26.000 There was a lot of good combat sports come out of San Francisco, though.

00:14:29.000 Absolutely, man.

00:14:29.000 Think about, like, the history of, like, you got the Gracie Baja contingent up there.

00:14:36.000 You know, Half Gracie has got one of the, like, Northern California, they have one of the best areas.

00:14:41.000 The Bay Area is just saturated.

00:14:43.000 Yeah, it's awesome for Mosh Lock.

00:14:44.000 Dave Terrell, the Diaz brothers, obviously, Cesar Gracie, and then you had Alex Gong used to be up there.

00:14:50.000 Sean, I was just going to say, the Fairtex crew, that old school Fairtex crew, Alex Gong, Johnson on Fairtex.

00:14:55.000 Did they ever catch the guy who killed him?

00:14:57.000 Yeah, I think he killed himself, actually.

00:14:59.000 No, no.

00:15:00.000 Alex Gong got killed, and someone did something, and he went out, like someone would fuck with his car or something like that, and he went outside, and someone murdered him.

00:15:11.000 The way I heard it was he was training in the gym and somebody sideswiped or hit his car or something.

00:15:15.000 It was something like that.

00:15:16.000 He ran down the street after him in a pair of fucking boxing gloves, which probably wasn't, you know, I mean, obviously you see some fucking savage running up to your window with a pair of boxing gloves on.

00:15:24.000 So the guy shot him.

00:15:26.000 But I think the guy had some mental history and he was like, you know, he was unstable or something like that.

00:15:32.000 From what I understood, I thought the guy actually committed suicide.

00:15:35.000 There it is.

00:15:36.000 Suspect.

00:15:36.000 Yep, you're right.

00:15:37.000 Suspect and kickboxer shooting killed himself.

00:15:40.000 Yeah.

00:15:41.000 That was fucked up, man.

00:15:42.000 What a waste, though, huh?

00:15:45.000 Yeah, a guy crashed into his parked car, so he chafed after him.

00:15:47.000 There it is, yeah.

00:15:48.000 I just fucking thought I was making shit up for a minute there.

00:15:51.000 Nah, man, that's sad, man.

00:15:53.000 He was a great fighter, man.

00:15:54.000 I remember watching, like, remember, like, ISK, like, kickboxing back in the day when, like, the Fairtex crew from Chandler, Arizona?

00:16:00.000 Yeah.

00:16:00.000 You know, who was the big guy?

00:16:02.000 Ganyal.

00:16:02.000 Yeah.

00:16:03.000 Johnson on Fairtex.

00:16:04.000 N Fairtex.

00:16:05.000 Who was the other guy?

00:16:06.000 Yeah.

00:16:07.000 What was the smaller guy, too?

00:16:08.000 I forget his name.

00:16:09.000 I'm drawing a blank.

00:16:09.000 But that whole Fairtex crew, man, back in the day, man, they came from Thailand and just fucking threw up this aluminum building in Chandler, Arizona, in the desert, and just started fucking flying people in to fucking learn Muay Thai.

00:16:23.000 And they were kicking ass, dude.

00:16:24.000 They kicked everybody's ass back in the day, that ISK kickboxing scene.

00:16:28.000 Well, when you started fighting, there were very few people that were, like, formally trained in Muay Thai in our area, in the Boston area.

00:16:38.000 Very true.

00:16:39.000 We knew Rich Vasopoli.

00:16:42.000 Oh, man, what a name.

00:16:43.000 Remember him?

00:16:43.000 He died in the triathlon, too, didn't he?

00:16:45.000 Yeah.

00:16:45.000 Got kicked in the head while he was swimming and drowned.

00:16:47.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:16:48.000 That is crazy, man.

00:16:49.000 Of all the shit you did in your life, you fucking got kicked by a swimmer and drowned.

00:16:52.000 Yeah, and he was like, you know, all...

00:16:54.000 He was done fighting.

00:16:55.000 He was in his 40s.

00:16:56.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:16:57.000 He was chilling at the time.

00:16:58.000 It's funny you say that, man, because back in the day, I thought about this coming out here.

00:17:02.000 You know, I remember the first pair of Muay Thai shorts I saw.

00:17:05.000 I was like, dude, that's funky, those weird letters on the front.

00:17:07.000 And it was...

00:17:08.000 I don't know if you remember a guy named Ed Bavlock.

00:17:11.000 I think his name was Kim Akai.

00:17:12.000 He's in Australia.

00:17:13.000 He was a Siatong guy, too.

00:17:15.000 I remember that name.

00:17:15.000 Yeah, man.

00:17:16.000 He was like...

00:17:17.000 I remember back in the day, he was one of the first guys in the area to...

00:17:20.000 Have a pair of Muay Thai shorts and he was training with Dana Rosenblatt, Joe Lake.

00:17:24.000 Remember that whole crew?

00:17:26.000 It's funny because we have similar backgrounds in martial arts in terms of Boston.

00:17:29.000 We never ran into each other back then.

00:17:32.000 I think you were a little bit ahead of me at the time.

00:17:34.000 I was probably on my way out too.

00:17:37.000 When I was starting to train with Joe Lake, I started training with Joe Lake when I was teaching in Revere.

00:17:43.000 I was teaching at Nautilus Plus.

00:17:46.000 The Dakota's family owned that joint.

00:17:48.000 Yeah, so I was teaching Taekwondo there.

00:17:51.000 That's right.

00:17:51.000 And Joe Lake was lifting weights over there.

00:17:55.000 And Joe Lake came in.

00:17:57.000 He saw we had heavy bags and the whole setup.

00:17:59.000 And then he started talking to me and asking me questions.

00:18:03.000 And we made a deal where he would teach me how to box and I would teach him how to kick.

00:18:08.000 And so he came over.

00:18:11.000 And we started doing some, you know, some mitt work and doing some things.

00:18:15.000 Then I started working with him and Dana Rosenblatt.

00:18:17.000 That's right.

00:18:18.000 And Dana was only, he was in high school at the time.

00:18:20.000 Yeah, I went to Malden Catholic with him.

00:18:22.000 Yeah, I think I was 20 and I think Dana was 18. Yeah.

00:18:26.000 17, 18, something like that.

00:18:27.000 He began his career as a kickboxer, that's right.

00:18:29.000 He began his career as a kickboxer and there was no money in it and he was doing well with his hands.

00:18:33.000 I convinced him to stop kickboxing and he convinced me to stop fighting.

00:18:37.000 Yeah.

00:18:39.000 From sparring with each other.

00:18:41.000 And he went on to sell real estate.

00:18:42.000 I think he does that now.

00:18:43.000 He's successful in real estate.

00:18:44.000 He had a really successful boxing career, too.

00:18:47.000 He stopped Terry Norris.

00:18:49.000 That's right.

00:18:50.000 Who's the guy who used to be the boxing coach?

00:18:52.000 Howard Davis Jr. He stopped him.

00:18:54.000 Remember him?

00:18:55.000 He was the boxing coach at ATT. Yep.

00:18:56.000 I know exactly who you're talking about.

00:18:57.000 He beat some good guys.

00:18:59.000 He beat some real good fighters.

00:19:00.000 He was a southpaw, too, wasn't he?

00:19:01.000 Yeah.

00:19:02.000 That's right.

00:19:02.000 He's a tough kid.

00:19:03.000 But he also came up...

00:19:06.000 One of the things that I've said about...

00:19:09.000 One of the things that I learned from my kickboxing training was how dangerous it is to meathead spar.

00:19:17.000 And all we did was meathead spar.

00:19:19.000 Back then, that's...

00:19:21.000 I mean, it started off with, like, you know, me and my brother with, like, you know, hockey helmets and hockey gloves and trying that out.

00:19:27.000 And then, little by little, it was like, all right, well, you know, get into a gym and start boxing.

00:19:31.000 Yeah.

00:19:32.000 Man, I remember the first time I went to a boxing gym in, like, the Boston area, man.

00:19:35.000 It was awesome.

00:19:36.000 Back then, you went to a boxing gym.

00:19:38.000 I remember literally my coach setting me up for sparring at a boxing club.

00:19:42.000 He's like, alright, you realize you're the new guy.

00:19:44.000 I was like, yeah.

00:19:45.000 What does that mean?

00:19:47.000 They all know each other.

00:19:48.000 They don't know you.

00:19:49.000 You've got a big target on your back.

00:19:51.000 I remember the night before I would go spar, it felt like a fight.

00:19:54.000 I was like, dude, I'm in a fight.

00:19:55.000 I'd get to the gym and it was on, dude.

00:19:58.000 Back then, it was like...

00:20:00.000 It was extremely unintelligent, you know, but that's, we were cavemen at the time.

00:20:04.000 That's all we knew.

00:20:04.000 I remember, you know, there were holes in the walls that like Rich Vassopoulis did from people getting knocked back and the sheetrock was like banged up.

00:20:12.000 The sheetrock.

00:20:13.000 Crazy, man.

00:20:13.000 We didn't know any better though at the time.

00:20:15.000 Well, I knew Rich Vasopoli from Dana.

00:20:19.000 I became friends with Dana.

00:20:20.000 We started training together.

00:20:21.000 And then we would sometimes train over at Rich's place.

00:20:24.000 And that was when I got introduced into Muay Thai.

00:20:26.000 Because one of Dana's friends had gone to Thailand.

00:20:30.000 And he had done some training over there and come back.

00:20:33.000 And that's when I realized how effective leg kicks were.

00:20:37.000 I'd never been leg kicked before, except by accident.

00:20:40.000 Yeah.

00:20:40.000 And then once I realized like shins to thigh, like how much damage that does and how easy...

00:20:46.000 There was two revelations that happened to me.

00:20:48.000 One was how easy it was for me to get punched in the face.

00:20:50.000 That was when I first started boxing.

00:20:51.000 Coming from a traditional martial arts background.

00:20:53.000 Taekwondo, yeah.

00:20:54.000 Taekwondo was so delusional.

00:20:56.000 I started off in Taekwondo as well, too.

00:20:58.000 You couldn't punch to the face.

00:21:00.000 So you had a very distorted perception of what you could get away with in a fight where there was no rules.

00:21:06.000 You just had this real...

00:21:07.000 I had the same reality check.

00:21:09.000 Yeah, so boxing alone was not good.

00:21:13.000 Kickboxing was better because I could create some distance, but it was still way easier than I liked to get punched in the face.

00:21:20.000 But then Muay Thai was a big one because the moment you take that first leg kick and you feel the thud and you're like, oh shit!

00:21:28.000 It's that easy?

00:21:30.000 It's that easy to diminish me.

00:21:32.000 Like almost instantaneously you're diminished.

00:21:34.000 I feel it as you're talking about it.

00:21:36.000 I took a low kick from Peter Ertz in Thailand.

00:21:39.000 Oh no!

00:21:40.000 And oddly enough, another trip was Pedro Hizzo.

00:21:44.000 He's so big.

00:21:45.000 Oh no!

00:21:45.000 He might be the worst.

00:21:46.000 Bro, I'm telling you, I thought my femur fucking cracked in half.

00:21:50.000 Never felt pain like that before.

00:21:51.000 From Peter or from Pedro?

00:21:53.000 Both at different times.

00:21:54.000 Pedro's the scariest guy I've ever seen kick a bag.

00:21:57.000 I've never seen anybody kick a bag so hard.

00:21:58.000 I agree, man.

00:21:59.000 I trained with him a little bit in Thailand back in the day.

00:22:01.000 We used to train at a gym called ISS, which was like a take-off of Sia Tong.

00:22:06.000 We sold some fighters and some trainers to a friend of Korea Tong's, and we would train on the roof of this building on Sukhumvit Highway in the sun with a canopy above us.

00:22:18.000 It was pretty rough, but Peter Ertz was there training at the time, and Pedro Hizzo came through there.

00:22:24.000 I mean, I was a lot smaller than them, obviously, but Jude.

00:22:27.000 Why did you spar with them?

00:22:29.000 They're heavyweights.

00:22:30.000 Because I'm retarded, dude.

00:22:31.000 Fucking stupid.

00:22:33.000 Because it was the opportunity, man.

00:22:34.000 They're like, oh, we need guys.

00:22:35.000 I was actually helping someone else, another one of my stablemates get ready, and he just happened to be there, and he's like, oh, man, let's move around a little bit.

00:22:42.000 And I was like, this is probably not a good idea, but it's an honor.

00:22:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:22:46.000 So I'm partially proud of getting kicked in the leg by those guys, but I probably shouldn't have done that.

00:22:52.000 Dude, what's worse though nowadays that you see is the calf kicks.

00:22:55.000 More damage from those, man.

00:22:57.000 There's no meat down there.

00:22:59.000 Dude, I'll take the kicks all day long on the thigh now, man.

00:23:02.000 That tender area.

00:23:04.000 I remember losing a fight in Thailand.

00:23:06.000 I didn't really have an extensive career as a fighter, but I did have some quality fights that were valuable lessons to me.

00:23:12.000 And I remember I was blocking wrong.

00:23:14.000 You know, the whole thing, every time he low kicked, I would block and I would take it right where the calf kick goes, like on the low part of the shin.

00:23:20.000 And I was pointing my toes down.

00:23:21.000 There's always controversy of toes down, toes up.

00:23:23.000 I always teach toes up to flex the shin muscle, to flex the muscle around the shin bone.

00:23:28.000 And I was blocking wrong.

00:23:31.000 And I'll never forget that, man.

00:23:32.000 I was bedridden from blocking kicks the wrong way.

00:23:35.000 And it was that same area where there's, like you said, there's no- How long were you bedridden for?

00:23:40.000 Two weeks, probably.

00:23:41.000 I remember like trying to go to like, It was in Thailand.

00:23:43.000 I came back from Thailand.

00:23:44.000 Dude, it was a rough flight.

00:23:46.000 It was awesome.

00:23:47.000 Great.

00:23:49.000 Lots of pain medication for that flight.

00:23:51.000 But I remember literally after some of the fights that I've had, I was literally bedridden.

00:23:56.000 Couldn't go to family barbecues and shit.

00:23:58.000 Just like, dude, I can't get up.

00:23:59.000 I can't walk.

00:24:00.000 Well, it's one of those kicks in the UFC that we've seen emerge over the last few years.

00:24:03.000 And I always give credit to Benson Henderson for being the first guy to start doing it.

00:24:07.000 It's funny you say that because I threw a layup to Anik the last show.

00:24:11.000 And I was like...

00:24:12.000 But maybe we might...

00:24:14.000 And it's like, yeah, I'm not mentioning that name.

00:24:16.000 Benson Henderson?

00:24:17.000 You want to mention Benson?

00:24:18.000 Because he's over in Bellator now?

00:24:20.000 Correct.

00:24:20.000 I mean, it is what it is.

00:24:22.000 That's crazy.

00:24:24.000 That's so crazy.

00:24:25.000 J.A. You got to give it up to Benson.

00:24:28.000 Dude, I said it.

00:24:29.000 I said, man, you know, just a quick tip, like a little fun fact, you know, Benson Henderson's the guy that really kicked that off, you know, for lack of a better term.

00:24:35.000 And he's like...

00:24:35.000 Yeah, copy that.

00:24:37.000 He's like, yeah, I'm not going to mention that name.

00:24:39.000 I was like, all right, cool.

00:24:40.000 Respect.

00:24:40.000 I get it.

00:24:41.000 I get it.

00:24:42.000 You got to do what you got to do to stay alive in this world.

00:24:45.000 Exactly.

00:24:46.000 We got to eat.

00:24:47.000 He was the first, though, but he didn't have the same effectiveness for whatever reason that these guys do now.

00:24:54.000 There's guys now that are doing it where you see one kick in, the guy's fucked.

00:24:59.000 Yep, absolutely.

00:25:00.000 And it's such a lower risk for the takedown, too, because you're not traveling that far.

00:25:03.000 The higher you kick, the more risk for the takedown.

00:25:05.000 It just seems awful.

00:25:07.000 The legs just immediately stop working right.

00:25:10.000 I've had a few of my athletes suffer some serious trauma from those kicks and fights, man.

00:25:15.000 It's not...

00:25:15.000 And you can't really prep for those.

00:25:17.000 You really can't.

00:25:18.000 It's just all about managing distance, controlling the range, because you can't really check it.

00:25:22.000 It's too low to check.

00:25:23.000 And you can't condition it.

00:25:24.000 No, not at all.

00:25:25.000 There's nothing to really do with it, other than just, like I said, you've got to manage distance properly.

00:25:29.000 So you just either weigh in or weigh out.

00:25:31.000 But in that middle, you get kicked like that, man.

00:25:34.000 Ouchie.

00:25:35.000 What are your thoughts on this Robert Whittaker kick?

00:25:38.000 I mean, I call it the Robert Whittaker kick because Yoel Romero fucked him up with it in their first fight, that sidekick to the knee.

00:25:45.000 I'll refer to it as John Jones, really.

00:25:47.000 John Jones, Winkle John.

00:25:49.000 It's actually illegal in some commissions, right?

00:25:51.000 Is it legal?

00:25:52.000 I think it's illegal.

00:25:53.000 I don't know.

00:25:54.000 It's illegal in some commissions don't allow it because of the danger of attacking the joint.

00:25:58.000 I have a hard time accepting that, because it's okay to attack your fucking face.

00:26:03.000 Why is it okay for me to kick you in the face, but it's not okay for me to kick you in the knee?

00:26:07.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:26:08.000 Well, they say that, you know, and even in Thai boxing, you're not supposed to deliberately attack the joint.

00:26:12.000 Yeah, look, John is a master at it.

00:26:15.000 It's actually, in Jeet Kune Do, in the philosophy of Bruce Lee, I believe they call it like a, it's a kung fu kick, it's called a dumb tech, I believe.

00:26:23.000 Well, the way Winklejohn started teaching it and, you know, the way his students started doing it was the oblique style.

00:26:29.000 Yes, yes.

00:26:30.000 But then they started doing that sidekick style, too.

00:26:32.000 Like, that oblique style is very interesting.

00:26:34.000 Yeah.

00:26:35.000 Why is my face in there?

00:26:38.000 I think that, in my opinion, it's a super, super effective technique.

00:26:45.000 And to take it out doesn't make any sense to me if you still allow heel hooks and you still allow...

00:26:50.000 I mean, especially since you allow kicks to the fucking head.

00:26:53.000 Yeah, true.

00:26:54.000 I'm a fan of the kick.

00:26:55.000 I'm not against it.

00:26:56.000 I appreciate it.

00:26:57.000 One of the things I tell fighters all the time is that if you're going to do anything, if you're going to kick me, if you're going to punch me, if you're going to try to take me down, anything, the first thing you need to do is take that step with that lead leg.

00:27:07.000 And this is something Bruce Lee talked about in his art and philosophy, but it's always disruption, disrupting that lead leg, stopping that lead leg.

00:27:13.000 And the ties use it all the time.

00:27:14.000 A lot of times, you know, that teep, the front kick, they teep the leg a lot.

00:27:17.000 It's not always taught, like a lot of people overlook it, but I'm a huge fan of attacking that front leg, like teeping the front leg or side kicking the front leg.

00:27:24.000 So the first thing they need to do to close distance is take that step.

00:27:27.000 Well, anything also to create another variable that the fighter has to think about as they're moving in.

00:27:32.000 Correct.

00:27:32.000 The worst thing you could ever do with a fighter is give him something that's real clear and easy to plan for.

00:27:40.000 You do the same technique over and over again.

00:27:42.000 He can time it.

00:27:43.000 You have the same predictable series of movements.

00:27:46.000 He can time it.

00:27:47.000 That's why a guy like Dominic Cruz is so difficult to deal with.

00:27:50.000 Because Dominic, good luck predicting that.

00:27:52.000 I was just going to say that.

00:27:54.000 He's lefty, righty.

00:27:55.000 He's swinging from the hips.

00:27:57.000 That's actually a good impression.

00:27:58.000 Oh, he's so awkward.

00:27:59.000 That's good, man.

00:28:00.000 He is, man.

00:28:00.000 But he makes it work for him.

00:28:01.000 Fuck yeah, he does.

00:28:02.000 And the key thing with him, too, and that it's difficult to do that oblique kick or that front stop kick is the lateral movement.

00:28:08.000 If you're going straight in all the time and you're walking straight into that, you're going to be susceptible.

00:28:12.000 Dominic's always stepping off to the side.

00:28:14.000 Yeah.

00:28:14.000 Whether he's a lefty or a righty, he's always creating an angle, which is huge in combat.

00:28:17.000 You know who does that oblique kick fucking better than anybody?

00:28:21.000 Lorenz Larkin.

00:28:22.000 Yes.

00:28:23.000 Lorenz Larkin throws that shit to the body like a sidekick and sends dudes flying.

00:28:28.000 Remember when he fought Neil Magny?

00:28:30.000 Yes, I do.

00:28:30.000 I was like, what?

00:28:32.000 Dude, he's a stud, that guy.

00:28:33.000 He's clean.

00:28:34.000 I watched him warm up.

00:28:35.000 I think he fought in the Boston show.

00:28:38.000 I think at the time I was training.

00:28:39.000 Yeah, look at this.

00:28:40.000 Look how he throws that shit to the body.

00:28:42.000 Dude, he's a stud, man.

00:28:43.000 You know, I don't know why he wasn't as successful as he could have been or should have been.

00:28:47.000 Well, here's what happened.

00:28:48.000 He went over to Bellator and he immediately fought Lima.

00:28:52.000 Okay, Lima's a fucking monster.

00:28:54.000 He loses a decision to Lima.

00:28:56.000 Then he gets into a slugfest with Paul motherfucking Daly, who might have the best left hook the world's ever known.

00:29:04.000 Danger.

00:29:04.000 For MMA. Yes.

00:29:05.000 I mean, you don't want to take away boxers.

00:29:07.000 Beast.

00:29:07.000 Look at that fucking left hook he's got.

00:29:09.000 It's just insane.

00:29:10.000 Dude, I met him back in the day.

00:29:12.000 The first time I went over to London, we did a show called Cage Rage.

00:29:16.000 And I took Jorge Rivera over there.

00:29:17.000 Great fights over Cage Rage.

00:29:18.000 Yeah, man.

00:29:18.000 It was awesome.

00:29:19.000 And Paul Daly, Michael Bisping, Anderson Silva.

00:29:22.000 We played that the other day.

00:29:23.000 Did you really?

00:29:24.000 Because Jorge was just teeing off on him from the clinch.

00:29:26.000 And Anderson was just taking it on the chin.

00:29:28.000 Want to hear a funny story?

00:29:29.000 Yeah.

00:29:30.000 I see Anderson.

00:29:31.000 All I can see is like, George has got his back to me.

00:29:33.000 Jorge has got his back to me.

00:29:34.000 And so they're pummeling and they're in the center of the cage.

00:29:36.000 And they're kind of in a tie clinch.

00:29:38.000 George is throwing vicious uppercuts, vicious uppercuts and overhands and uppercuts to dirty boxing.

00:29:44.000 He was a knockout striker.

00:29:44.000 He was, man.

00:29:45.000 He had thunder in his hands and he's throwing like these big bombs over the top, everything.

00:29:49.000 And all I can see because George's backs to me, I can't see Anderson's face.

00:29:53.000 All I can see is his head bobbling, you know, taking the hits.

00:29:55.000 I'm like, yeah, yeah, go, go, go!

00:29:58.000 And then over George's shoulder, I see Anderson's face and he's laughing at George.

00:30:03.000 I'm like, fuck!

00:30:05.000 And then he just blitzed them.

00:30:06.000 How did he do that?

00:30:07.000 Did he roll with them slightly?

00:30:09.000 Like, what did he do?

00:30:10.000 Dude, I think it's all a matter of like, you know, using your shoulders to protect impact, you know, shrugging, so to say.

00:30:15.000 The first thing is bite.

00:30:17.000 First line of defense, bite down.

00:30:18.000 Second line of defense, brace your neck, you know, and he just...

00:30:21.000 Dude, I mean, he's got a fucking pumpkin head.

00:30:23.000 He's got a big dome, dude.

00:30:25.000 Well, I mean, but you stop and think about later in his career, he couldn't take those kind of shots.

00:30:30.000 Yeah, they add up after a while, I guess.

00:30:31.000 But back in the day, man, I remember coming into that, you know, I had followed Muay Thai, I'd followed Shootbox, I'd follow, you know, Pele, those guys.

00:30:38.000 So I knew Anderson Silva.

00:30:39.000 A lot of people were like, oh, is this guy Anderson Silva?

00:30:41.000 He's coming over.

00:30:42.000 A lot of people didn't know him.

00:30:43.000 So I knew what we were getting into.

00:30:44.000 I knew what type of fight it was.

00:30:45.000 Yeah.

00:30:45.000 The funny thing is when he came to the UFC, remember he debuted, I was there at the Hot Rock, the joint against Chris Lieben.

00:30:52.000 And everybody's like, oh dude, the bets.

00:30:54.000 I was like, I saw the odds at the Mandalay and I was like, dude, I'm all over this.

00:30:58.000 It was just something crazy.

00:31:00.000 I forget at the time, but they had Lieben being the favorite.

00:31:04.000 I was like, dude, nobody knows him.

00:31:06.000 Oh my god.

00:31:08.000 I knew him.

00:31:09.000 Yeah, I knew him too, man.

00:31:10.000 I remember during the promo, one of the things I said is, you've got to be ready for this guy.

00:31:13.000 This is a different animal you're experiencing.

00:31:16.000 Same with Rich Franklin, man.

00:31:17.000 Rich is my boy.

00:31:18.000 Love you, Rich.

00:31:19.000 But, you know, I bet the fucking house on that.

00:31:21.000 And I did really well because the odds would just say everybody thought Rich was just going to steamroll him.

00:31:26.000 Well, particularly because Rich was a stand-up fighter, primarily.

00:31:29.000 And he had a ground game.

00:31:30.000 And he was on top at the time.

00:31:31.000 I mean, he was way on top.

00:31:33.000 But Anderson was just on a whole different level coming into the mixed martial arts, coming into the UFC. He was just on a whole different level.

00:31:38.000 Especially the style that Chris Lieben had.

00:31:41.000 His style was so perfectly tailored for Anderson's style.

00:31:45.000 Exactly.

00:31:45.000 Walk forward, throw bombs.

00:31:47.000 Anderson's like a smooth, retreating, defensive fighter.

00:31:50.000 These came from Thailand.

00:31:51.000 Pretty cool.

00:31:52.000 I had them shipped over.

00:31:53.000 Pretty dope, right?

00:31:53.000 Yeah, they are.

00:31:54.000 Chinese, I believe.

00:31:55.000 Are they?

00:31:56.000 Yeah, they're not Thai, I think.

00:31:57.000 Damn.

00:31:57.000 They're more of a Chinese.

00:31:58.000 Damn, they got me.

00:32:02.000 More of a Chinese influence.

00:32:03.000 No, they are dope, man.

00:32:05.000 Thailand was sick, huh?

00:32:06.000 Loved it, man.

00:32:07.000 Yeah, man.

00:32:08.000 I love it.

00:32:08.000 Cage Rage was an interesting place because that was a wild west of fights.

00:32:14.000 Remember when Lee Murray fought Anderson Silva?

00:32:16.000 Yep, I do.

00:32:17.000 They almost got into a brawl with the weigh-ins.

00:32:19.000 Dude, Lee Murray, apparently, when I started going over there, they were like, everybody's a gangster.

00:32:24.000 Everybody's a fucking gangster.

00:32:25.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:32:26.000 This motherfucker is real gangster.

00:32:29.000 He's...

00:32:29.000 It doesn't get any more gangster.

00:32:31.000 He used to deliver ticket sales, money from ticket sales, and a black leather duffel bag just stacked with fucking pounds.

00:32:39.000 I'm just like, who is this guy?

00:32:40.000 And the promoters, Dave and Andy, I think at the time.

00:32:43.000 We're like, no, mate, he's a legit gangster.

00:32:45.000 And I was like, whoa.

00:32:46.000 Do you remember when he got stabbed in the heart in a knife fight and then was training six weeks later?

00:32:52.000 I do.

00:32:53.000 I do remember that.

00:32:54.000 I don't recall details, but I do remember something to that effect.

00:32:57.000 London Shoe Fighters, our good buddy Marius, was training at 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu.

00:33:01.000 He came to L.A. to learn Jiu-Jitsu, and he was one of the head guys over at London Shoe Fighter.

00:33:08.000 So I got to get in with those guys.

00:33:09.000 Yep, I'm familiar with the camp, yeah.

00:33:11.000 Before all that shit was going on.

00:33:13.000 And he was telling me about Lee Murray way early, like back in 2000. So it was way early, way back in the early days.

00:33:22.000 It's so funny too because somebody brought it to my attention like, dude, did you see Lee Murray's fucking palace in Morocco?

00:33:27.000 He took the money and ran, bro.

00:33:29.000 He made it.

00:33:30.000 A poster of Jorge.

00:33:32.000 Dude, listen, it's a mural.

00:33:33.000 A mural?

00:33:34.000 It's like a 30 by 30 foot fucking mural.

00:33:37.000 Made out of stone.

00:33:37.000 Something like on his wall.

00:33:39.000 And he's putting the armbar on George Rivera.

00:33:42.000 Yeah.

00:33:43.000 And on the back of George's shorts there's a big sityourtongue.com.

00:33:46.000 I'm like, fuck!

00:33:47.000 The only time I didn't want the plug.

00:33:49.000 Well, he caught him in a triangle, right?

00:33:51.000 Was it a triangle?

00:33:52.000 Yeah, a triangle.

00:33:53.000 That came, you know...

00:33:56.000 That was unexpected, you know.

00:33:57.000 But, you know, it was tough, man.

00:33:58.000 You know, George was a very emotional fighter.

00:34:01.000 You know, he had a rough upbringing with his family.

00:34:04.000 You know, he's very connected to his family.

00:34:06.000 And, you know, it was a rollercoaster working with that dude, man.

00:34:09.000 But he was my first, man.

00:34:10.000 You never forget your first, right?

00:34:11.000 Yeah.

00:34:12.000 He was a great dude, man.

00:34:13.000 He had talent.

00:34:14.000 That's for damn sure.

00:34:14.000 He sure did, man.

00:34:15.000 He did well, man.

00:34:16.000 If you go back and look, like, he fought, like...

00:34:18.000 The who's who's of the UFC. Everybody he fought was legit.

00:34:22.000 There was never a dull moment of any fights that George had.

00:34:26.000 He had a good run for a while there.

00:34:27.000 It was the early days, too.

00:34:29.000 Dude, I remember when we first started doing shows.

00:34:34.000 That's funny.

00:34:35.000 There's another picture, too.

00:34:36.000 It's a weird mural, too, because this guy, like, go large on that again.

00:34:40.000 Yeah, there's another one, too.

00:34:41.000 Because, like, the proportions are off, so whoever did it was kind of a shit artist.

00:34:46.000 He might have actually done that himself.

00:34:49.000 He might have actually fucking had someone come in and put some numbers up and fucking paint my numbers.

00:34:54.000 The old UFC logo.

00:34:56.000 He's got the Mandalay Bay logo.

00:34:58.000 That is hilarious.

00:34:59.000 See, it's got him getting him in the triangle.

00:35:01.000 But look at the one when he's flexing.

00:35:03.000 That's not even the same dude.

00:35:05.000 Look, they added all this extra meat to his lats and his lower tricep area.

00:35:10.000 I've seen another one, too.

00:35:11.000 He might have a few in his fucking house of murals of himself.

00:35:16.000 It's so ridiculous.

00:35:18.000 Why one image of the two of them clinching?

00:35:21.000 Look at that.

00:35:22.000 How bizarre.

00:35:24.000 Why put that picture in?

00:35:26.000 His quads are yoked up though.

00:35:28.000 Moroccan dude.

00:35:30.000 I'm a big fan of clinch.

00:35:31.000 We put the clinch in.

00:35:33.000 I want the Mendeley Bale scale.

00:35:35.000 You, I make your arms bigger.

00:35:37.000 And then when you get him in a triangle, I'll make you tan.

00:35:42.000 I know.

00:35:42.000 I'm just gonna say he's not even the same tan.

00:35:45.000 He's a different guy.

00:35:46.000 That's hilarious.

00:35:47.000 Yeah.

00:35:48.000 Is that his place?

00:35:49.000 So he's still in the pokey.

00:35:51.000 For people who don't know, Lee Murray was a part of one of the biggest armed robberies.

00:35:55.000 I think the biggest in the history of the UK. Yeah.

00:35:58.000 Huge money they made away with.

00:36:00.000 Millions and millions of dollars.

00:36:01.000 And some of it's still missing.

00:36:03.000 Millions of pounds, I think.

00:36:04.000 Do the trend.

00:36:05.000 Yeah, there he is.

00:36:06.000 He would go out with a fucking mask on like Hannibal Lecter.

00:36:09.000 Yeah, I remember that walk.

00:36:11.000 53 million pounds.

00:36:12.000 Imagine that.

00:36:12.000 Pounds.

00:36:13.000 53. What's the conversion on that, Jamie?

00:36:15.000 That's ridiculous money.

00:36:17.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:36:18.000 Yeah, it's hard to tell.

00:36:19.000 At the time, we would have to go back in time and figure out what it was.

00:36:23.000 That's a lot of money.

00:36:24.000 Yeah.

00:36:25.000 And I think a lot of it is still missing.

00:36:27.000 But yeah, they had ninja masks on.

00:36:30.000 They were dressed like they were in that movie Heat.

00:36:32.000 I thought there was no extradition from Morocco.

00:36:35.000 That's why he fled?

00:36:36.000 They ended up extraditing him?

00:36:38.000 I don't know what happened.

00:36:39.000 But yeah, I thought that too.

00:36:41.000 Wasn't that where Badr Hari went to?

00:36:43.000 Badr Hari was like, fuck this, I'm going to Morocco, son.

00:36:47.000 Come catch me now.

00:36:48.000 But they always want to wind up leaving.

00:36:51.000 Badr Hari, he did his time.

00:36:53.000 He went over, came back.

00:36:55.000 Badr Hari got arrested for stomping a man's shin in half.

00:37:00.000 Yeah, there was some sort of a dispute in a nightclub, and Badr Hari does not play.

00:37:06.000 There's a video of him walking into a hotel, and the hotel guy says something stupid to him, so he goes behind the counter and smacks him in the face.

00:37:13.000 Imagine that guy.

00:37:14.000 It's my hotel.

00:37:15.000 He's a fucking giant, too.

00:37:16.000 He's like 6'5", world heavyweight kickboxing champion, and a ferocious, terrifying man who fucks up grown-ass people.

00:37:24.000 Yeah, here's a video.

00:37:26.000 Yeah, I don't know what the guy said, but Botter Hart was like, what?

00:37:29.000 Excuse me?

00:37:30.000 What the fuck did you just say?

00:37:32.000 He probably said some shit like, welcome to the Marriott.

00:37:35.000 Yeah.

00:37:37.000 We're going to have to see a credit card.

00:37:40.000 Look, he gets right behind the counter.

00:37:41.000 He smacks him in the back of the head.

00:37:43.000 Yeah.

00:37:44.000 The way he did it, it's like super dangerous.

00:37:47.000 Super scary looking too.

00:37:48.000 He like stalks him, walks him down, staring at him.

00:37:49.000 And he smacked him very dismissively.

00:37:51.000 He wasn't like worried about a counter.

00:37:53.000 Exactly.

00:37:54.000 He like smacked him like a little kid in the back of the head.

00:37:57.000 He hit him with the tips of his fingers.

00:37:58.000 He was just like, hey, hey, who the fuck are you talking to?

00:38:03.000 You gotta pick and choose your battles wisely, man.

00:38:05.000 If I saw Badahari walking towards me and like...

00:38:08.000 Hello, sir.

00:38:09.000 How can I help you?

00:38:10.000 Yeah, what may I do for you?

00:38:12.000 Credit card?

00:38:13.000 That's not necessary.

00:38:13.000 That's ridiculous.

00:38:14.000 Your suite is ready.

00:38:15.000 Can I get your bags?

00:38:16.000 Yeah, champagne will be brought up to the room.

00:38:19.000 Oh, he's Muslim.

00:38:20.000 He probably doesn't drink, right?

00:38:21.000 No, probably not.

00:38:22.000 I don't know.

00:38:24.000 He's a beast, man.

00:38:25.000 His coffee's good.

00:38:26.000 He's supposed to be on his way back, right?

00:38:28.000 He fought Rico Verhoeven and he broke his arm in some freak incident in the first round.

00:38:35.000 He's breaking shin bones, breaking arms.

00:38:37.000 I think he broke his arm.

00:38:39.000 He fought Rico and I think he was blocking a kick and his arm just broke.

00:38:44.000 And he realized that somewhere in the middle of the round, he's like, we gotta stop.

00:38:49.000 He's just like, this is broken.

00:38:50.000 Who just broke the arm recently during the fight?

00:38:52.000 Was it Paul Felder?

00:38:54.000 Yeah, Felder did with the spinning back fist.

00:38:56.000 I saw it coming, man.

00:38:58.000 That fucking spinning back fist is...

00:38:59.000 Dude, you always read the spin kicks.

00:39:01.000 No matter how many angles I have in that fucking truck, no matter what I'm looking at, as much experience as I have, You read the spin shit, like you see it coming a mile away.

00:39:12.000 Is it just because you have so much experience with the spin kicks?

00:39:14.000 That was my shit!

00:39:14.000 Dude, that was your shit.

00:39:15.000 But you see it like a lot of times you're like, he's setting up that spin.

00:39:19.000 Well, guys load up their hips.

00:39:21.000 That was my number one technique from when I was fighting was spinning back kick to the body.

00:39:27.000 I just knew that it was such a short amount of time that I needed to deliver it.

00:39:31.000 And if you were in range and I hit you, you're fucksville.

00:39:34.000 So I knew there was just like this...

00:39:35.000 We've laughed about this before because I tell you, like, I've never held for a kick as hard as yours.

00:39:40.000 And I was like, ah, come on, dude.

00:39:41.000 Don't honeydick me.

00:39:42.000 You bullshit me.

00:39:43.000 Bro, it's not fun holding pads for you.

00:39:46.000 There's times, like, where you're texting me and I'm just like, fuck.

00:39:49.000 Fuck, don't return the text.

00:39:51.000 Don't go.

00:39:52.000 Don't go to Syndicate or don't go to Performance Institute and hold pads for Joe.

00:39:55.000 Dude, I remember one time I held pads for Joe.

00:39:57.000 And I remember literally, like, I couldn't grip a coffee mug to, like, drink.

00:40:02.000 My forearms was so trashy.

00:40:03.000 I remember that night pushing talkback buttons on the truck, at the truck.

00:40:06.000 And I was, like, fatigued.

00:40:08.000 Just my fingers wouldn't function.

00:40:09.000 Bro, I'm telling you no bullshit.

00:40:11.000 I've held for a lot of guys.

00:40:13.000 I've held for a lot of fighters, a lot of big guys, small guys.

00:40:16.000 I've never held...

00:40:17.000 And that's a round kick.

00:40:18.000 That's not even some spin shit that you do.

00:40:19.000 Just the basic Thai round kick.

00:40:23.000 Bro.

00:40:24.000 Nasty.

00:40:26.000 You did it on that machine, too, didn't you?

00:40:28.000 What were the numbers on it?

00:40:28.000 Something silly like...

00:40:29.000 Well, there's a guy who's figured out how to beat my number.

00:40:32.000 Really?

00:40:33.000 Yeah.

00:40:34.000 A guy at the Performance Institute.

00:40:35.000 I got 152,000.

00:40:37.000 And the dude got 188,000.

00:40:40.000 And what he realized is...

00:40:42.000 If you hit it with the instep, the number's larger than if you hit it with the shin.

00:40:47.000 I gotta hit it with the instep, but I'm healing a slight meniscus tear that I got when I was doing it with Joe Schilling with no warm-up, wearing jeans like a fucking asshole at 50 years old.

00:40:58.000 Full blast kick, no warm-up.

00:41:00.000 That's that dick measuring testosterone.

00:41:02.000 Like, what?

00:41:02.000 You want to kick, dude?

00:41:03.000 Let's go.

00:41:03.000 We're hanging out.

00:41:04.000 We're having a good time.

00:41:05.000 And Joe Schilling's here.

00:41:05.000 And he's kicking that thing.

00:41:07.000 Game on.

00:41:07.000 Yeah.

00:41:08.000 And he got some pretty good numbers.

00:41:09.000 You know, he was smashing it.

00:41:11.000 He's a mean dude.

00:41:12.000 I love that dude.

00:41:13.000 I love that dude.

00:41:13.000 He's a sweetheart, though, man.

00:41:14.000 You know, he's such a cool guy, dude.

00:41:16.000 Yeah.

00:41:16.000 But he's fucking terrifying.

00:41:18.000 Well, I was talking to someone about him, and they were saying that he's one of the most risk-taking elite fighters you'll ever see.

00:41:25.000 He's a real elite kickboxer, but he's been knocked out before and stopped before just because he's not risk-averse.

00:41:34.000 He'll take big risks, but it's one of the reasons why he's so fucking exciting.

00:41:39.000 Yep, exactly.

00:41:39.000 I was just going to say the same thing.

00:41:41.000 That's what the fans want to see, man.

00:41:42.000 They don't want to see conservatives trying to...

00:41:45.000 He's a fan favorite for sure.

00:41:47.000 You can't stop crazy.

00:41:48.000 That whole way of looking at things and his whole motto.

00:41:52.000 That's why I like the bonuses with the UFC and all that.

00:41:55.000 Dana putting that together.

00:41:56.000 I remember back in the day, one of the early fighter meetings, we'd do the weigh-ins and then Dana would be like, all right, fighters only, backstage.

00:42:03.000 They do fighters only.

00:42:04.000 No coaches, no corners.

00:42:06.000 And Dana's like, Yeah, you know game plan?

00:42:07.000 You know strategy?

00:42:08.000 Fuck all that.

00:42:08.000 Just go for it.

00:42:09.000 You want to get paid?

00:42:10.000 Go.

00:42:10.000 And one of the examples he would use is Chris Lytle.

00:42:13.000 Remember Chris Lytle?

00:42:14.000 He had a losing record in the UFC, but he just went for it every time and would bonus all the time.

00:42:19.000 I wouldn't give that speech.

00:42:21.000 No.

00:42:22.000 I'd give a very different speech.

00:42:23.000 What would your speech consist of?

00:42:24.000 Fight your best fight.

00:42:25.000 Fight the way you're supposed to fight.

00:42:27.000 That was the message, but the idea was don't leave it out there.

00:42:31.000 Don't be conservative.

00:42:32.000 You can leave it out there if you want.

00:42:34.000 Your opponent might not.

00:42:36.000 This is the thing.

00:42:37.000 I don't think...

00:42:40.000 Fighting is very important to me.

00:42:42.000 It means a lot.

00:42:43.000 It means a lot because I used to do it.

00:42:46.000 It means a lot because I love to watch it.

00:42:48.000 It means a lot because I'm very deeply entrenched in the history and the significance of it, what it means.

00:42:54.000 And for me, fighting should always be done at its best.

00:42:58.000 And what that means is you should always do what's the right thing to do in the situation.

00:43:03.000 Like...

00:43:05.000 You could break it down with individual arts, right?

00:43:08.000 If you're doing jujitsu, there's a correct way to do an armbar counter, right?

00:43:14.000 Don't do the incorrect way because the fans want to see it.

00:43:18.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.

00:43:19.000 If there's an exciting way to get out of an armbar that's not the right way to do it, but the fans like it.

00:43:26.000 Well, pick him up and slam him works if you have to, but I'm saying, just as a rough example, if there was a way to defend an arm bar that wasn't the correct way to do it, but the fans liked it more, don't do that.

00:43:38.000 Don't do that.

00:43:39.000 You want to fight like a maestro.

00:43:41.000 You want to fight like a virtuoso.

00:43:44.000 You want to fight like Mighty Mouse.

00:43:45.000 There you go.

00:43:46.000 Exactly.

00:43:46.000 So what I tell everybody, Mighty Mouse has had moments in his career, like the Ian McCall fight is a good example, where he also had a full-time job.

00:43:55.000 Wasn't dedicated the way should be and got into a brawl and Ian took his back wound up pounding him and Mighty Mouse had vertigo after that fight.

00:44:04.000 He was really fucked up and and then quit his job Realized like I have to go full-time.

00:44:09.000 I have to dedicate myself to this full-time You know and when he did that then under the tutelage of Matt Hume he became the Mighty Mouse we see now But in my opinion one of the things that sets him apart from everybody else is that he He's not running away from you and not getting hit.

00:44:26.000 He's running at you and not getting hit.

00:44:29.000 He's coming straight forward and then cutting angles and doing things to you that you didn't anticipate and he's not there for the counters.

00:44:38.000 So he's fighting correctly.

00:44:40.000 Seamless, too.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, and it's incredibly exciting.

00:44:43.000 And that was one of the criticisms of him really early on in his reign, was that he wasn't finishing guys.

00:44:50.000 And then he knocked out Joseph Benavidez, and then he started finishing guys in the final seconds of the round.

00:44:55.000 I mean, he's just a monster, man.

00:44:58.000 He is, man.

00:44:58.000 He's a fucking monster.

00:44:59.000 But he fights correctly.

00:45:02.000 I would say, no disrespect to Chris Lytle, who I love, he's a great fighter.

00:45:07.000 I was just watching his fight against Brian Foster.

00:45:10.000 He was so skilled.

00:45:11.000 People forgot how good Chris Lytle was.

00:45:13.000 He won that fight with a leg lock.

00:45:16.000 He's known as a brawler.

00:45:18.000 People forget.

00:45:18.000 He fucking spun around, got that leg and snatched it out and extended it and really fucked Brian's leg up.

00:45:24.000 Crafty veteran.

00:45:25.000 He was a crafty guy, but brawled a lot.

00:45:28.000 I'm not a fan of brawls.

00:45:30.000 I'm a fan of watching brawls when they take place.

00:45:32.000 I'm not a fan as well either.

00:45:34.000 I'm more of a fan of I train a lot of my guys almost defensively, like backing up, like retreat fighting.

00:45:42.000 Constantly trying to jockey for position.

00:45:43.000 I call it the right place, right time, all the time in that line of fire.

00:45:47.000 We're jockeying for that position.

00:45:50.000 A lot of times it's easier just to take a step back.

00:45:53.000 If we're fighting each other, we're standing in front of each other, I take a step back, what do you naturally do?

00:45:56.000 You walk to me.

00:45:57.000 So it's the timing of catching them on the way in.

00:46:01.000 Great fighters, in my opinion, are more defensive fighters.

00:46:05.000 Like you said earlier about Chris Lieben coming in with Anderson Silva, Forrest Griffin trying to attack.

00:46:10.000 You're more vulnerable recklessly, like you said, brawling recklessly, coming in against somebody skilled as Anderson Silva or Demetrius Johnson.

00:46:17.000 I'm a fan of the retreating attack, I call it.

00:46:19.000 Anderson was such a retreating attacker, then he had a problem when guys didn't come forward.

00:46:24.000 Right, exactly.

00:46:25.000 Like the stinkers that he had, like Talis Latis.

00:46:27.000 Damian Maia, Talis Latis, so painful to watch those fights.

00:46:30.000 Patrick Cote.

00:46:31.000 Patrick Cote was very smart when he fought him.

00:46:33.000 Patrick took very little damage in that fight.

00:46:35.000 I camped him that whole fight.

00:46:36.000 I trained him that whole fight.

00:46:38.000 I had the experience from Jorge.

00:46:39.000 I knew Anderson Silva.

00:46:41.000 You know, he spent that entire camp in Boston with me.

00:46:44.000 He did have a knee injury going into the fight.

00:46:46.000 We knew, like, it was going to be an issue.

00:46:48.000 But, you know, I actually said this to him, part of the game plan and strategy, it's funny you say that, was to let him come to you.

00:46:54.000 Because Patrick was the type of fighter that was a go-getter.

00:46:57.000 He had that big overhand right.

00:46:59.000 Iron chin.

00:47:00.000 Yeah, he would put pressure on you.

00:47:01.000 And I said, Patrick, I'm telling you, you can't fight the way you normally fight against Anderson Silva.

00:47:06.000 Even if you hear boos, we're following the game plan.

00:47:10.000 If you hear the boos from the crowd, like we're doing the right thing, don't fall victim to it.

00:47:14.000 Don't try to lunge at him.

00:47:15.000 Don't throw big power punches.

00:47:17.000 Let him come to you.

00:47:18.000 And we did.

00:47:18.000 And that was actually the first time we took Anderson past a third round.

00:47:23.000 I think it was either third or the fourth.

00:47:24.000 We were actually going into the fourth, I think.

00:47:26.000 And he was stepping in to throw a kick and his leg blew out.

00:47:29.000 Exactly.

00:47:30.000 That was in Chicago.

00:47:32.000 Did he get an MRI before that fight?

00:47:34.000 I think, if I remember correctly, he had an issue.

00:47:36.000 We knew going into it.

00:47:37.000 We didn't want to pull out of the fight.

00:47:39.000 How bad was the issue?

00:47:41.000 It was pretty severe.

00:47:42.000 And after it, I think that was just the icing of the cake.

00:47:44.000 It blew out completely during the fight.

00:47:46.000 So he had a partial tear of his ACL? Something like that.

00:47:48.000 Something to that effect.

00:47:50.000 Bring up that fight, Jamie.

00:47:51.000 I'm curious now.

00:47:51.000 It was a weird blowout because there was a lot of distance between them.

00:47:56.000 I was just going to say, it wasn't during an exchange.

00:47:58.000 I think, like you said, he went to push off his back foot.

00:48:00.000 I don't know.

00:48:01.000 Be curious to see it.

00:48:01.000 It's been a while since I visited that.

00:48:03.000 Yeah, I just remember not knowing what happened and he fell down.

00:48:06.000 Yeah, you called that fight, obviously, right?

00:48:08.000 That was before.

00:48:09.000 What's that?

00:48:11.000 Patrick Cote, Anderson Silva.

00:48:14.000 From probably 2009?

00:48:18.000 Maybe a little later.

00:48:19.000 Maybe 9 or 10, yeah.

00:48:21.000 Dude, it's a blur at this point.

00:48:22.000 I know.

00:48:22.000 It's a blur, dude.

00:48:23.000 I've done like 400 shows.

00:48:24.000 Was it 2008?

00:48:25.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:48:26.000 Yeah, see, that was a while ago, yeah.

00:48:28.000 Wow, man.

00:48:29.000 That was the rain.

00:48:31.000 That was when Anderson, he was the king, but people didn't appreciate him the way they appreciated him after he knocked out Forrest Griffin, Stefan Bonner, after Vitor Belfort, that front kick to the face.

00:48:43.000 That's when he became the GOAT. Dude, he was literally feared.

00:48:48.000 I think a lot of fighters are just like, that call came and it was like, Anderson Silva, fuck.

00:48:53.000 Well, he was also so calm.

00:48:55.000 Yeah.

00:48:56.000 You know, there was something about him in those days.

00:48:58.000 He was so calm.

00:48:58.000 Dude, I used to always say this, and I told Jorge this at his cage rage fight with him.

00:49:01.000 I said, dude, he beats people at the weigh-ins.

00:49:03.000 He's like, what do you mean?

00:49:04.000 He's like, what do you mean?

00:49:05.000 He has this thing.

00:49:06.000 It's funny, like, when he goes to weigh-in with you, like, you know, normally, like, people go, like, face-to-face, they get real close, like, he would walk up to you as if you're gonna, and then he would thrust his neck forward, like, his head would, like, fucking gadget head.

00:49:17.000 Like, would come out, and he would just be all up in your face, and it would, like, surprise you, like, you know?

00:49:21.000 And I told Jorge that.

00:49:22.000 I said, Jorge, be ready at the weigh-in.

00:49:24.000 Like, he's gonna put his face, like, he's gonna cover distance quickly, like, he moves his head, like, fucking shenanay.

00:49:28.000 Like, he's like, I don't know you didn't.

00:49:31.000 And he puts his head, like, way out, and he did it.

00:49:33.000 And I was like, ah, man, there it is.

00:49:35.000 Well, that was one of the ways that Chris Lieben overcame him psychologically at the weigh-ins.

00:49:41.000 I remember Chris saying, I'm not afraid of you.

00:49:43.000 Yeah.

00:49:44.000 He was looking right at him, and he said, I'm not afraid of you.

00:49:46.000 And he probably wasn't, man.

00:49:47.000 He wasn't.

00:49:47.000 He wasn't afraid of him.

00:49:48.000 He wasn't afraid of him.

00:49:49.000 Nope.

00:49:49.000 That was Chris when he was in his prime and that's when they were kissing at the weigh-in.

00:49:53.000 That's right.

00:49:53.000 When Anderson got so close to his face, they were literally lip to lip.

00:49:56.000 Yeah.

00:49:57.000 And Chris didn't budge.

00:49:58.000 Somebody just spoke of something about him fighting in that bare knuckle league or something against Phil Barone or something like that.

00:50:03.000 Who?

00:50:04.000 Chris Lieben versus Phil Barone.

00:50:06.000 Chris Lieben.

00:50:07.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 But I said Chris Weidman.

00:50:09.000 Oh, Weidman.

00:50:10.000 Weidman.

00:50:11.000 I did say Weidman, right?

00:50:12.000 No.

00:50:13.000 Lieben, I thought.

00:50:13.000 Did I say Weidman?

00:50:15.000 Weedman.

00:50:16.000 Weedman.

00:50:17.000 Did I say Weidman or Lieben?

00:50:19.000 Lieben.

00:50:20.000 Okay, I might have fucked up.

00:50:21.000 Chris Weidman.

00:50:22.000 When Weidman beat him.

00:50:23.000 Oh, yeah, he beat him at the weight.

00:50:25.000 They got face to face.

00:50:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:27.000 And he said, yeah, I'm not afraid of you.

00:50:28.000 He said, I'm not afraid of you.

00:50:29.000 And when he was looking at right at him, he goes, I'm not afraid of you, bro.

00:50:32.000 And then you could tell Anderson's like, oh, shit, he's not afraid of you.

00:50:35.000 Yeah, and see what happened that night.

00:50:37.000 He got tagged, man.

00:50:38.000 Well...

00:50:38.000 What's interesting in that fight, too, is that Anderson could...

00:50:42.000 I mean, he was clearly scoring with heavy leg kicks and putting Lieben in jeopardy.

00:50:49.000 I mean, he was damaging that leg.

00:50:50.000 Lieben.

00:50:50.000 Did you say Lieben?

00:50:51.000 I said it again.

00:50:52.000 I said it again.

00:50:52.000 What's wrong with me?

00:50:53.000 Why am I confusing those two?

00:50:54.000 They're both Chris.

00:50:55.000 Fuck it.

00:50:56.000 Talk about them.

00:50:57.000 I should just say Chris.

00:50:58.000 Yeah, just say Chris.

00:50:59.000 Chris Chris.

00:51:01.000 When Weidman got him down the first round, almost got him in a leg lock, and then they got back up to the feet, and then Anderson started fucking him up with leg kicks.

00:51:09.000 And Anderson was hitting him with some nasty, nasty leg kicks, and he was saying in between rounds, like, Come on, stand up with me.

00:51:18.000 Come on, stand up with me.

00:51:19.000 It was weird.

00:51:20.000 It was weird that he was doing that.

00:51:22.000 It was totally out of character.

00:51:24.000 He's like, no, no, we're not going to go do it now.

00:51:26.000 Come on, stand up, stand up.

00:51:27.000 He had some funky moments in the octagon.

00:51:29.000 He'd done the fucking Ong Bak, moving his hands all funky.

00:51:32.000 Again, the Vitor before he freaked out.

00:51:34.000 I remember there was a couple fights.

00:51:36.000 Well, the fight with Damien Maia was the weirdest.

00:51:39.000 That's the one I'm referring to.

00:51:40.000 He psychologically fell apart in that fight.

00:51:42.000 Yeah.

00:51:43.000 He was screaming at Damien Maia and yelling things at him, and Damien Maia's just still plugging away.

00:51:48.000 He took a lot of shots in that fight, but then was there third, fourth, and fifth when Anderson wasn't doing shit.

00:51:53.000 Anderson was just moving away from him.

00:51:55.000 Was that the fight?

00:51:56.000 There was one fight, too, where he was in the center of the octagon controlling, beating up, striking, and I forget who it was.

00:52:01.000 It might have been Damien Maia.

00:52:02.000 It might have been somebody else, but he actually stopped and stepped back and put his back to the fence.

00:52:07.000 And say, come on, come on, let's fight on the fence now.

00:52:09.000 And he like backed himself up.

00:52:10.000 That was Stefan Bonner.

00:52:11.000 That's right.

00:52:11.000 And that's when he got caught with a spinning elbow, was it?

00:52:13.000 No, Stefan Bonner tried to spinning back kick him and he just slid out of the way and then went right back to the fence and went, come on, come on back here.

00:52:21.000 Yeah, that's what it was, exactly.

00:52:22.000 And then he fucked him up.

00:52:22.000 I think he hit him with a knee to the body and then dropped him and then beat the shit out of him.

00:52:28.000 He was just so calm and relaxed in there and Bonner was so stiff and tight.

00:52:34.000 And I think that was in Brazil too.

00:52:36.000 Was it?

00:52:36.000 Yeah.

00:52:37.000 I worked with Stefan for a bunch of fights.

00:52:39.000 I didn't work with him for that fight.

00:52:40.000 I don't recall him.

00:52:40.000 That was also a fight where I think Bonner pissed hot.

00:52:44.000 I think he had an opportunity.

00:52:46.000 Yeah, I think he's just like, listen, I got some injuries, but I'm just going to juice it up.

00:52:50.000 Dude, pissed hot is better than shit hot, because when he fought Sam Hogar at the Thomas Mac Arena, he fucking shit himself during the fight.

00:52:57.000 Sam Hogar was like, bro, he's on top, and they're grappling.

00:53:00.000 He's like, bro, you fucking stink.

00:53:01.000 You shit yourself.

00:53:02.000 And he's like, yes, I did.

00:53:04.000 And the worst part about it is we come backstage, you know the Thai cups, they like the string up, the butt crack.

00:53:09.000 He's like, coach, get my cup.

00:53:11.000 And I was like, bro, you're on your own, homie.

00:53:13.000 I handed him a scissors.

00:53:14.000 I was like, cut it off, dude.

00:53:16.000 I'm good.

00:53:17.000 It's hilarious, dude.

00:53:18.000 I got to corner him, I think, for that fight with the great Carlson Gracie at the time.

00:53:21.000 That's happened several times.

00:53:23.000 Dude, what was one of the fights?

00:53:25.000 Dude, I'm telling you.

00:53:26.000 Tim Sylvia shit himself once.

00:53:27.000 Oh, and then when we went to the Reebok uniforms and dudes were wearing white, I was like, bro, that.

00:53:32.000 Bad idea.

00:53:33.000 Let's not go.

00:53:33.000 No white shorts.

00:53:35.000 Like, stay away from white shorts.

00:53:37.000 Doc Brown.

00:53:37.000 I think Yoel, dude.

00:53:38.000 Yoel Romero.

00:53:39.000 Did he?

00:53:40.000 Yeah, I think he sharted one of his fights, too.

00:53:42.000 One time, Michael Chiesa, when he fought Benil Darius, right before the fight started, he leans over to me and goes, dude, I might shit myself.

00:53:49.000 I remember that.

00:53:49.000 Before the walk, dude, they almost had to postpone the walk.

00:53:52.000 Yeah, man.

00:53:53.000 He was gonna run to the bathroom before the fight started.

00:53:56.000 Yeah, UFC staff.

00:53:57.000 He was in the tunnel getting ready to walk.

00:53:58.000 He's like, bro, I gotta go to the bathroom.

00:53:59.000 They're like, no, no, you're good.

00:54:00.000 He's like, oh, bro.

00:54:01.000 Why didn't they just let him go?

00:54:02.000 How long did it take?

00:54:04.000 I don't know, man.

00:54:04.000 30 seconds will cover.

00:54:06.000 Let the guy take a dump.

00:54:07.000 Right?

00:54:07.000 Jesus Christ.

00:54:08.000 And then we're behind in production time, the format, fucking schedule, whatever it is.

00:54:12.000 But dude, when a man's got a shit, he's got a shit.

00:54:13.000 Here's Anderson and Patrick.

00:54:16.000 Is this on Fight Pass?

00:54:18.000 This is the first round, so it didn't happen until third or fourth or whatever it was.

00:54:22.000 I think it was the third round.

00:54:24.000 Anderson was just moving around, real relaxed, didn't do much.

00:54:31.000 It was an interesting fight because Cote didn't fight his normal style.

00:54:36.000 He stayed real boxed up.

00:54:39.000 Oh, I forgot this, that Anderson had him down at one point in time.

00:54:44.000 Anderson's grappling's underrated, too, man.

00:54:45.000 He's a good grappler.

00:54:46.000 He's just long as fuck.

00:54:47.000 He's built to grapple, too.

00:54:48.000 Look at this.

00:54:49.000 Even when he was kicking it.

00:54:50.000 Look, he tries to help him out.

00:54:51.000 He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:54:52.000 I think his knee was already...

00:54:54.000 I think we knew at this point.

00:54:55.000 He's like, my knee's jacked up, dude.

00:54:57.000 My knee's jacked up.

00:54:57.000 I remember him talking to me during the fight in between rounds.

00:55:01.000 But he definitely put up a fight, at least.

00:55:05.000 And at the time, nobody was even close to putting up a fight.

00:55:08.000 So it's right before then.

00:55:10.000 Patrick was super fucking dangerous.

00:55:13.000 See, this is where we said we're the first one to take him to the third round because nobody had passed the second round with him.

00:55:17.000 Well, not only that, it was a totally uneventful three rounds.

00:55:20.000 There wasn't even a moment where Patrick was in trouble.

00:55:23.000 And he was fighting for the title.

00:55:25.000 Yep.

00:55:26.000 That was the main event title fight, yep.

00:55:28.000 Patrick was always dangerous.

00:55:30.000 He always had that one bomb that could put you out, and Anderson knew that, so he was fighting a smart strategy, but it was interesting because it kind of showed a hole in his style, that his style was so counterattacking.

00:55:45.000 There it is right there.

00:55:46.000 You know what he did?

00:55:47.000 He tried to lift his front foot up, almost like to fake a front kick.

00:55:51.000 Bring that back, Jamie.

00:55:52.000 That's crazy.

00:55:53.000 I think he tried to pick up his front leg to fake like a T, but to fake like a front leg attack.

00:55:57.000 And then he hopped on his back leg.

00:55:59.000 Yeah.

00:56:00.000 That's rough, man.

00:56:01.000 Weird.

00:56:02.000 Yeah.

00:56:03.000 See, right there?

00:56:04.000 There it is.

00:56:04.000 Right there, yeah.

00:56:06.000 Yikes.

00:56:06.000 He's in a lot of pain, too.

00:56:07.000 Cote is a tough dude, too, man.

00:56:08.000 I see him wins and go down like that, man.

00:56:10.000 So what was the issue?

00:56:11.000 Was it a meniscus issue?

00:56:12.000 I don't recall.

00:56:13.000 I'd be lying if I made some shit up right now, but I think it was something like that.

00:56:17.000 What a vulnerable joint.

00:56:19.000 That's why leg locks get the shit out of me.

00:56:21.000 If I recall, dude, I think he had issues, too.

00:56:23.000 Like, he had a staph infection in his knee, like, repeatedly.

00:56:26.000 Like, I remember he had staph in his knee, like, a bunch of times.

00:56:29.000 So, I don't know, man.

00:56:30.000 But he, you know, his best punch, too, was not only his overhand right, but his rear uppercut.

00:56:35.000 Nasty, nasty.

00:56:36.000 Yeah, he had big power.

00:56:37.000 Busted me the fuck up a bunch of times.

00:56:38.000 It was weird, his power, you know?

00:56:41.000 I mean, it's not like he didn't look like a strong guy, but his power was weird.

00:56:45.000 Yeah, so you watch, he hops up on that front leg and...

00:56:48.000 You see it just give out.

00:56:50.000 Donk!

00:56:51.000 Pass!

00:56:52.000 Yeah.

00:56:53.000 Yikes.

00:56:55.000 Dude, knees, back, nasty injuries.

00:56:58.000 All those leg lock motherfuckers have fucked up knees.

00:57:02.000 Eddie just had to get his meniscus fixed too.

00:57:04.000 He had a meniscus operation pretty recently.

00:57:07.000 He had shoulder surgery recently.

00:57:10.000 He had back surgery recently.

00:57:12.000 Yeah, back surgery a little over a year ago.

00:57:15.000 Knee surgery recently.

00:57:16.000 He's not doing that stem cell shit you're talking about, huh?

00:57:18.000 No, he hasn't.

00:57:20.000 I think he did something.

00:57:21.000 He didn't do it with the place that I go to.

00:57:23.000 But it's just, you know, years and years of jujitsu.

00:57:27.000 It's just not good for your body.

00:57:29.000 Everybody that I know.

00:57:30.000 As much as I love jujitsu, bro, I'm telling you, I sustain most of my injuries rolling.

00:57:36.000 It's almost like I can't get out of a jujitsu session, like gi or no gi, without getting something tweaked or something, you know?

00:57:42.000 Well, I was talking the other night with some guys from Team Alpha Male, and we were talking about guys who have fake discs.

00:57:49.000 How many guys have had artificial discs put in their necks and in their backs?

00:57:54.000 It's a fucking terrifying number.

00:57:56.000 You keep going on and not used to it.

00:57:58.000 Like, he got one too?

00:57:59.000 Yeah, he's got two in his neck.

00:58:00.000 Like, what?

00:58:02.000 He's got one in his lower back.

00:58:03.000 What?

00:58:04.000 God damn it, he's 30. These guys are like 30 years old with fake backs.

00:58:09.000 Combat sports are rough, man.

00:58:10.000 Yeah.

00:58:12.000 Particularly wrestling and particularly jiu-jitsu.

00:58:14.000 Wrestling, it seems to be a lot of the neck.

00:58:16.000 Jiu-jitsu, it's neck and lower back.

00:58:19.000 The lower back seems to get jacked on almost everybody.

00:58:22.000 I've been lucky, knock on wood.

00:58:23.000 I've been lucky I haven't really suffered any serious injuries in my training career.

00:58:27.000 I wonder, too, how much Thai training and throwing kicks, because it's so core intensive.

00:58:34.000 Kicking is so much, so much.

00:58:36.000 I think it protects you, because a lot of my lower back, it's very heavily muscled.

00:58:43.000 Yeah.

00:58:43.000 The lower back and the mid.

00:58:45.000 It's one of the first things I actually look at when I'm studying like a fighter is I look to see his back, how his back sounds like, this guy's going to be strong.

00:58:52.000 What makes you say that?

00:58:53.000 Like, dude, look at his lower back specifically.

00:58:56.000 I say that all the time.

00:58:57.000 I'm like, look at his lower back.

00:58:59.000 You see guys with jacked up lower back muscles, you know their core strength is just off the chain.

00:59:05.000 Do you have a reverse hyper in your gym?

00:59:07.000 No.

00:59:07.000 Do you have one of those?

00:59:08.000 No.

00:59:08.000 Dude, that should be standard in any gym where they wrestle.

00:59:12.000 Is that the inversion?

00:59:13.000 That's the one where you lie down on the table with your upper body and your lower body hangs down and hooks into this thing.

00:59:21.000 It was created by Louie Simmons, that guy from Westside Barbell, the powerlifting monster.

00:59:27.000 And when you lift your legs up, it strengthens your back.

00:59:29.000 There it is right there.

00:59:30.000 And on the way down, it decompresses the spine.

00:59:34.000 Really?

00:59:34.000 Lengthens almost?

00:59:35.000 Like lengthening the spine?

00:59:36.000 Well, it decompresses.

00:59:37.000 See, there's a video.

00:59:38.000 If you show him the video, he'll get a chance to see what it is.

00:59:41.000 In the video, Louie's explaining it.

00:59:43.000 But we have one back here.

00:59:44.000 And I've had one for a couple years now.

00:59:47.000 And it's just go forward.

00:59:49.000 Just go forward.

00:59:50.000 You don't need to hear the volume.

00:59:52.000 See, as she's going up, it's strengthening her back, and then on the down, it extends and it lengthens the back and decompresses it.

01:00:01.000 It's active decompression.

01:00:03.000 It's one of the rare things that provides active decompression in contrast with strengthening.

01:00:09.000 So it strengthens it on the way up and then loosens it on the way back.

01:00:13.000 That activating the muscles and the strengthening portion of it and then the decompression portion together, it's uniquely effective for strengthening and rehabilitating lower back issues.

01:00:28.000 Interesting.

01:00:28.000 You got one here you said?

01:00:29.000 Yeah.

01:00:29.000 He developed it because they were trying to give him surgery.

01:00:35.000 Fuse his discs together because he had a bulging disc so he's trying to figure out how to fix a bulging disc and that's how he figured it out but it's now like universally praised has been one of the as being one of the best exercises to Prevent injury but more importantly to rehabilitate you if you have something like that going on I gotta check that out for sure.

01:00:54.000 It should be standard for every gym It's one of those pieces of equipment that I think like One of the big things that happens with guys is compression.

01:01:02.000 And very few fighters, in particular, spend time doing spinal decompression.

01:01:07.000 Like on those inversion tables.

01:01:09.000 Yeah, I was just going to say inversion tables.

01:01:10.000 Those are great, man.

01:01:11.000 They're great.

01:01:12.000 Just chill on one of those, those teeters.

01:01:14.000 Chill on one of those for 10 minutes a day.

01:01:17.000 Just put the boots on and kick back and then tighten your back up and then let it loose and tighten your back up and let it loose.

01:01:24.000 I've used them before.

01:01:25.000 And you could push on the handles and give yourself some separation.

01:01:29.000 You have to do something to compensate for all the pressure.

01:01:34.000 So there's all this compression and you've got to do something to decompress.

01:01:38.000 I've seen something too with a band around your neck.

01:01:41.000 You lay on the floor and put it on a doorknob and it pulls your head up.

01:01:44.000 You ever seen something like that?

01:01:45.000 I have one that's a thing that you put on your chin.

01:01:49.000 I put it on a barbell.

01:01:53.000 So I hook it up to the barbell and then I sit underneath it with a chair.

01:01:56.000 Yeah, same concept.

01:01:57.000 And then I extend my neck.

01:01:58.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:02:01.000 You get like two inches taller.

01:02:02.000 Stretching, yeah.

01:02:03.000 Like you said too, wrestling is the worst, man.

01:02:05.000 Just like always shooting that single, shooting that double grabbing and pulling on the neck.

01:02:10.000 Yeah, it's rough.

01:02:12.000 Well, Thai too, right?

01:02:13.000 Oh my God.

01:02:14.000 I remember one of the first experiences I had clinching with guys in Thailand.

01:02:18.000 You know, because I was one of the bigger guys.

01:02:20.000 They were like, oh, I need you to clench, you know.

01:02:21.000 And these Thai dudes just hanging on my neck, hanging on my neck, you know, for an hour straight.

01:02:27.000 And I've never felt anything like that.

01:02:29.000 Man, my neck was completely locked up.

01:02:31.000 I couldn't turn.

01:02:31.000 I had to actually get one of those, the neck braces there, the collars.

01:02:34.000 Really?

01:02:35.000 Yeah, I had to get, like, massage, like, every day.

01:02:37.000 Literally, I was out of training probably for four or five days.

01:02:40.000 I couldn't even train.

01:02:41.000 It's almost like having a stiff neck, but it was hard.

01:02:43.000 Yeah, well you gotta think those muscles don't get used that much if you're not doing that.

01:02:48.000 If you're not doing neck extensions or And then I went to my trainer and I was like, how do I make my neck stronger?

01:02:55.000 And he took me over to this coffee can filled with cement and a rope coming out of it.

01:03:00.000 And he said, you bite the rope.

01:03:02.000 I remember Ringside had a thing like that.

01:03:05.000 They put that thing like a strap around your head and you put the chain through a weight.

01:03:09.000 Yeah, I have those.

01:03:11.000 But biting, it seems better too.

01:03:13.000 Yeah, because you're working the mandible as well.

01:03:15.000 The problem was everybody fucking bit on the thing in the can.

01:03:18.000 And the fucking breath.

01:03:23.000 Breath, mouthpiece, breath.

01:03:26.000 I remember being in a bank in Thailand in Patio once, and there was a water-like thing, but there was no plastic cups.

01:03:34.000 There was no cups, like disposable cups.

01:03:36.000 There was a plastic cup with a string tied to it.

01:03:39.000 Oh, God.

01:03:39.000 And people would just go and fill it and just lip on it and put it down.

01:03:43.000 I'm like, bro, this is rough, dude.

01:03:45.000 Rough.

01:03:46.000 Well, I gotta figure.

01:03:48.000 It's like, I'm not that thirsty.

01:03:49.000 Those moist environments, like, there's so much bacteria in the air anyway.

01:03:54.000 Like, how common is staph?

01:03:57.000 Dude, it's so funny you say that, because you would think it would run rampant, like ringworm.

01:04:01.000 Like, I remember one of the first times I got ringworm in Thailand, and I, like, had a Band-Aid on it, and I was clinching with one of my training pods.

01:04:06.000 It was a Thai guy.

01:04:07.000 And the bandaid came off and I was like, hold on, let me go to it.

01:04:09.000 And he's like, no, don't worry about it.

01:04:10.000 And I was like, no, let me cover this up.

01:04:12.000 And he touched it and he was rubbing it like, oh, dude, don't worry about that.

01:04:16.000 And I was like, dude, no, no, no, no, no.

01:04:17.000 It's like, it's ringworm, bro.

01:04:18.000 It's like their Thai leather skin is immune to it.

01:04:21.000 They don't fucking get ringworm.

01:04:23.000 They don't get staph.

01:04:24.000 It's weird.

01:04:25.000 It's not common.

01:04:26.000 No, it's weird.

01:04:27.000 I'm sure they do get it.

01:04:28.000 But it's funny.

01:04:29.000 It doesn't run rampant in the gyms.

01:04:31.000 You would think a bunch of sweaty tie dudes training with no shirts on, clenching, hanging all over each other.

01:04:37.000 They're laying on the ground doing sit-ups and push-ups and all that bullshit.

01:04:40.000 It's not common.

01:04:42.000 There's not a lot of ringworm in the gyms.

01:04:44.000 There's not a lot of staph infections.

01:04:46.000 I don't know if just the...

01:04:47.000 Their body builds immunity to?

01:04:49.000 I don't know.

01:04:49.000 It's just not common.

01:04:50.000 I don't know either, man.

01:04:50.000 It's not common, though.

01:04:51.000 Because in American gyms, it's rampant.

01:04:53.000 Oh, my God.

01:04:54.000 I remember being on The Ultimate Fighter when I coached season four, the comeback, with Jorge, Patrick Cote all the time.

01:05:00.000 I met all those guys.

01:05:01.000 Chris Lytle, etc., etc.

01:05:02.000 Matt Serra was on that show.

01:05:05.000 Who was it that got it?

01:05:06.000 Edwin Deweese, I think, got a staph infection.

01:05:09.000 And everybody was like, oh, what the hell's wrong with your skin?

01:05:10.000 I was like, bro, that's like the heebie-jeebies.

01:05:13.000 That's like the mat scabbies.

01:05:14.000 That's staph.

01:05:15.000 And everybody was like, what?

01:05:17.000 And I was like, bro, that's staph infection.

01:05:19.000 And I went to the UFC production team, and I said, when was the last time you guys cleaned the mats?

01:05:25.000 Like, oh, like we clean them like once a week.

01:05:27.000 I was like, whoa.

01:05:27.000 I was like, bro, you got to clean these mats with like disinfectant every single training session.

01:05:32.000 And they're like, all right, that's cool.

01:05:33.000 And I was like, how about that wall, like the padded wall?

01:05:35.000 Like, oh, no, we never clean that.

01:05:37.000 Like, bro, they have no shirts on.

01:05:39.000 They're grappling, you know, with their backs on the wall, sweating all over the wall.

01:05:42.000 And I brought it to their attention that, listen, everything needs to be cleaned in the gym.

01:05:47.000 How disturbing is that?

01:05:48.000 Bro, Dana literally said, you go back and you watch the box series.

01:05:51.000 I still got a DVD series.

01:05:53.000 Literally, Dana said, Della Grotti pretty much saved the show.

01:05:57.000 Almost both teams got staff.

01:06:00.000 I was like, get the Vans detail.

01:06:02.000 Get the Vans detail.

01:06:03.000 Clean the mats.

01:06:04.000 Clean stability balls.

01:06:04.000 I made everybody get tea tree and eucalyptus soap.

01:06:08.000 Nobody was educated at the time about it.

01:06:10.000 And it just...

01:06:11.000 It's a plague, man.

01:06:13.000 If I see anybody with ringworm or staff, I literally light fucking bombs in the gym and burn the fucking place down.

01:06:19.000 Order new mats from Zebra and Rev Gear.

01:06:22.000 It's so common.

01:06:23.000 I was just reading one of Gordon Ryan's posts on Instagram that he got MRSA for the second time.

01:06:29.000 Yeah.

01:06:29.000 And that medication-resistant staph infection, that scares the shit out of me.

01:06:34.000 Dude, I had staph.

01:06:35.000 I can't really claim it.

01:06:36.000 Kote, I'm not going to blame you, bro, but it was oddly enough right around the time where Kote had staph in his knee and I was camping him and I was very active at the time training with these guys and I got staph under my armpit.

01:06:46.000 Both fucking armpits.

01:06:48.000 I literally had to walk around with my arms up like this.

01:06:51.000 I had wicks coming out of them.

01:06:53.000 Nasty, dude.

01:06:54.000 Staff is no good.

01:06:55.000 They put wicks.

01:06:56.000 What they do is they actually make an incision.

01:06:58.000 They drain the abscess because it's an abscess, essentially.

01:07:01.000 They drain the abscess and then they pack it with what literally looks like a wick from a lantern.

01:07:06.000 It's hollow in the middle, cloth.

01:07:09.000 And they pack it in and they leave just a little tip out.

01:07:12.000 And as the wound drains and heals, the wick comes out.

01:07:15.000 So I had like these two-inch like wick.

01:07:18.000 Like a tampon strength.

01:07:20.000 Basically, yeah.

01:07:21.000 And was it medicated?

01:07:22.000 No, they just clean it out.

01:07:24.000 They make an incision.

01:07:25.000 They clean it all out.

01:07:26.000 They flush it with saline and they pack it with a wick and they dope you up with Kelflex.

01:07:30.000 Usually it's the weapon of choice for antibiotics.

01:07:32.000 I believe it's called Kelflex.

01:07:35.000 That's tough.

01:07:36.000 Drains your mojo like nothing.

01:07:39.000 Dude, kicks your ass, dude.

01:07:41.000 Tired walking upstairs, like everything.

01:07:42.000 Yeah, it's great.

01:07:43.000 That's when you see when guys fight on that.

01:07:45.000 We remember, what's his name?

01:07:46.000 Luke Rockhold against Chris Weidman.

01:07:48.000 And Kevin Lee recently, too.

01:07:49.000 Remember, we noticed it during the broadcast.

01:07:50.000 Kevin didn't take any medications.

01:07:53.000 Specifically because he knew it would zap his cardio.

01:07:56.000 Yeah.

01:07:56.000 Well, I'm sure the staff zapped him too.

01:07:58.000 Oh, period.

01:07:58.000 Yeah, but the antibiotics on top of it, forget about it.

01:08:00.000 I remember when we called that fight, you called that fight, and I was like, dude, that staff on us.

01:08:04.000 And we were talking about it.

01:08:05.000 And it's almost like the guys in the truck were like, I don't know, don't mention it.

01:08:08.000 Don't mention the staff.

01:08:09.000 They told Daniel Cormier not to say anything about it.

01:08:12.000 Yes, there you go.

01:08:12.000 When I brought it up to Cormier.

01:08:13.000 That's right.

01:08:14.000 I said, is that what I staffed you?

01:08:15.000 And they're like, don't bring that up.

01:08:16.000 Yeah, I remember that.

01:08:17.000 And he's like, that's definitely staffed, Joe.

01:08:18.000 Yeah.

01:08:20.000 He don't give a single fuck.

01:08:22.000 I love that guy.

01:08:23.000 He's like, what are you talking about?

01:08:24.000 Don't talk about that.

01:08:25.000 Yeah, you got it.

01:08:26.000 It was blatantly obvious.

01:08:27.000 It was so obvious.

01:08:28.000 How could anyone say to not talk about that?

01:08:30.000 It's funny, too, because I don't think the commission is supposed to allow you to fight.

01:08:33.000 If you've got a herpy on your lip or something funky or you've got staff, they're like, about scratch.

01:08:38.000 That's what I was shocked.

01:08:39.000 Because it was so blatant.

01:08:41.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:42.000 It was swollen.

01:08:42.000 He put makeup on it on the way in.

01:08:45.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:08:45.000 That's right.

01:08:46.000 Susie touched it up a little bit.

01:08:47.000 Which is hilarious.

01:08:49.000 She's complicit.

01:08:50.000 Everyone's involved.

01:08:52.000 Susie's awesome.

01:08:53.000 I've had times where I've had fighters, I'm like, oh, they took a cut during the camp, trying to kind of hide it.

01:09:00.000 Airbrush.

01:09:02.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:09:03.000 Yeah.

01:09:04.000 Yeah, Kevin Lee, that was a really unfortunate timing because I wanted to see what would happen in that fight.

01:09:11.000 I mean, you saw Kevin get Tony down.

01:09:14.000 He's beating him up on the ground.

01:09:15.000 That's right.

01:09:15.000 I was just going to say, who is he fighting as Ferguson?

01:09:17.000 He got a mount on him.

01:09:18.000 Yeah.

01:09:18.000 He got his back.

01:09:19.000 Yeah.

01:09:19.000 Dude, Kevin Lee is a monster.

01:09:21.000 He is, man.

01:09:22.000 And he's fucking huge for 155 pounds.

01:09:26.000 He is.

01:09:26.000 When he first emerged and I was watching him, I wasn't like...

01:09:31.000 I don't want to say I wasn't impressed, but I had no idea what his capabilities were.

01:09:35.000 And I started watching him fight, and I was like, dude, this guy's legit.

01:09:37.000 He's a serious threat.

01:09:38.000 He's not even in his prime.

01:09:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:39.000 How old is he?

01:09:40.000 He's 26, I think now.

01:09:41.000 Really?

01:09:42.000 I didn't realize he's that young.

01:09:43.000 He's that young?

01:09:44.000 He's very young.

01:09:45.000 Wow.

01:09:45.000 Yeah, find out how old Kevin Lee is.

01:09:47.000 I think he's a few years from his prime.

01:09:51.000 25?

01:09:51.000 25, yeah.

01:09:52.000 25. Wow, that's young, dude.

01:09:54.000 Young as fuck.

01:09:54.000 That is young, man.

01:09:55.000 Young as fuck.

01:09:56.000 Smart as fuck, too.

01:09:57.000 26. He's a cool dude, too.

01:10:00.000 He's a very cool guy.

01:10:01.000 I had him on my podcast and I think it really changed people's perceptions of him.

01:10:06.000 You realize how honest he is, open, intelligent, and just really considerate and thinking about all the various aspects of his career.

01:10:14.000 And even when he was talking about other fighters, he wasn't shit-talking.

01:10:19.000 Necessarily.

01:10:20.000 Whereas, like, really just talking about his own skills versus their skills.

01:10:25.000 And even Ferguson, when he was talking about Tony, he was saying, man, this injury's a real bummer because it's going to impede what he does.

01:10:32.000 Like, his whole thing is that he can do anything.

01:10:34.000 Right.

01:10:34.000 He's, like, loose and he takes chances.

01:10:36.000 Like, if he's got this knee that's fucked up that he doesn't trust, like, that could really get...

01:10:41.000 I'm like, ooh, that's a good point.

01:10:42.000 Yeah.

01:10:42.000 He's got a knee that he doesn't trust.

01:10:44.000 It's going to keep him from being as, like, freewheeling, you know?

01:10:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:48.000 One of the things about Tony is he's so unpredictable.

01:10:51.000 Yeah, man.

01:10:51.000 Like, how do you prepare for a guy that just moves crazy and has knockout power and nutty endurance?

01:10:58.000 Yeah.

01:10:59.000 He trained with Eddie still?

01:11:00.000 Yes, yes.

01:11:01.000 He's still with Eddie.

01:11:02.000 What a freak accident, man.

01:11:03.000 Imagine you're on your way to a fight, you're doing press, and you go to talk to somebody, you trip over some wires.

01:11:10.000 Is that what it was?

01:11:11.000 Production wires, like camera wires or something?

01:11:13.000 Yeah, in UFC tonight.

01:11:14.000 Yeah.

01:11:14.000 And blew the fucking, the ligament off the bone.

01:11:19.000 Oh, man.

01:11:19.000 You ever see the scar?

01:11:20.000 I haven't, no.

01:11:21.000 Oh my god.

01:11:22.000 Really?

01:11:23.000 It's like a 12-inch scar.

01:11:24.000 And there was no previous injury or anything?

01:11:26.000 No.

01:11:26.000 So that literally just came out of nowhere, like on a fucking wire.

01:11:29.000 He tripped on those wires and fell sideways and literally just, which is, how does a guy like that fall down even?

01:11:35.000 You would think he's so athletic.

01:11:37.000 It's so coordinated.

01:11:38.000 Back in the day we had, remember when you used to do the UFC workout rooms?

01:11:43.000 There it is.

01:11:44.000 Oh man, what a gnarly fucking scar.

01:11:47.000 It's like 80 staples.

01:11:48.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

01:11:50.000 That's one of the bigger knee scars I've ever seen in my life.

01:11:52.000 That is nasty scar.

01:11:53.000 Yeah, but now he's running around, he's moving.

01:11:57.000 Yeah, he's a freak, man.

01:11:59.000 They were doing some UV light or something like that on it.

01:12:02.000 But, you know, he's starting to hit the bag again.

01:12:05.000 He throws kicks and punches on the bag now.

01:12:07.000 We've lost fights in the past for those.

01:12:09.000 Like I was just going to say, we had those, you know, the fold-out mats, like the bifold mats.

01:12:13.000 I remember somebody got their foot caught in it, rolled their ankle.

01:12:16.000 It was like one show a long time ago.

01:12:17.000 Yeah.

01:12:18.000 You know, we started talking about it.

01:12:19.000 I think it was Jimmy Gifford who works for Lorenzo at the time.

01:12:23.000 I was like, man, you need those dolomere, those rollout mats.

01:12:26.000 These seams are no good, man.

01:12:27.000 People are tweaking their ankles left and right, man.

01:12:29.000 We'd lose a fight occasionally backstage just from somebody rolling their ankle in the cracks of the mats or something stupid like that.

01:12:34.000 But what a freak accident to think.

01:12:37.000 And how close?

01:12:38.000 He was really close to that fight, wasn't he?

01:12:40.000 He was a couple days out.

01:12:41.000 Yeah.

01:12:41.000 Fuck.

01:12:42.000 Do you remember when Kevin Randleman was backstage and he stepped on some pipes and flew through the air and landed on his head and knocked himself out?

01:12:53.000 I don't recall.

01:12:54.000 Backstage prepping for the main event of a fight.

01:12:57.000 That's crazy.

01:12:57.000 It was like UFC 13 or 14 or some shit.

01:13:02.000 And they lose the main event.

01:13:03.000 They lost the main event.

01:13:04.000 Ugh.

01:13:04.000 I don't remember who he was supposed to be fighting.

01:13:07.000 I do not remember.

01:13:08.000 But I remember Kevin Randleman stepped on some pipes and fell and hit his fucking head.

01:13:14.000 And I remember thinking, what?

01:13:16.000 What are the odds?

01:13:17.000 Maybe he was supposed to be fighting Pedro Hizzo?

01:13:20.000 I do not remember who he was supposed to be fighting.

01:13:21.000 That's going way back.

01:13:22.000 Randleman days is going back.

01:13:24.000 Was it Pedro Hizzo?

01:13:25.000 Yeah.

01:13:26.000 When did you come on?

01:13:28.000 12. UFC 12. 1997. Was it Zufar at the time or was it SEG? No, SEG. It was, okay.

01:13:35.000 Yeah, Bob Meyerowitz.

01:13:36.000 That's right.

01:13:36.000 Camel McLaren hired me.

01:13:38.000 No shit.

01:13:38.000 It was Tony Blauer did it before me.

01:13:40.000 That's right.

01:13:41.000 They needed a new backstage interviewer guy.

01:13:45.000 So UFC 12. Yeah.

01:13:46.000 Yeah.

01:13:47.000 Dothan, Alabama, son.

01:13:49.000 We were supposed to be in Buffalo.

01:13:51.000 Supposed to fly to Buffalo, New York.

01:13:53.000 Or Albany?

01:13:54.000 Somewhere in New York.

01:13:55.000 But New York State made it illegal right before.

01:13:57.000 So they had to change all the flights, move the octagon, fly it down to Dothan, Alabama.

01:14:03.000 Puddle jumper plane.

01:14:04.000 Yeah.

01:14:06.000 I remember those days.

01:14:08.000 I was not involved with the company at the time.

01:14:09.000 I think the first fight I cornered was UFC 36 or something like that.

01:14:15.000 That's early in the day, too.

01:14:17.000 UFC 35 and a half was when I came back.

01:14:21.000 That's when I did my first commentary.

01:14:24.000 Chuck vs.

01:14:25.000 Vitor was what I did.

01:14:26.000 Who was the owner of that time?

01:14:27.000 Was it Art Davies?

01:14:29.000 Art Davies is one of the original guys.

01:14:31.000 He was a part of SEG.

01:14:34.000 It was Art Davies, Bob Myrowitz.

01:14:37.000 And I guess Horry and Gracie was involved in the very, very beginning.

01:14:41.000 Yeah.

01:14:42.000 I remember we did the 20-year Zufa, 20 years, whatever.

01:14:45.000 Like we're backstage.

01:14:46.000 We're coming into the MGM, the back of the arena.

01:14:49.000 And everybody's pulling up.

01:14:51.000 I got the Ferraris, Lambo's coming up.

01:14:54.000 And Art Davies pulls up in a fucking Saturn.

01:14:56.000 And I was like, oh boy, have time changed?

01:14:58.000 Times have changed.

01:14:59.000 It's like a busted, like, Nevada plate.

01:15:03.000 You didn't get in on the payday.

01:15:04.000 I was like, oh man.

01:15:07.000 You missed the payday.

01:15:08.000 I was like, fuck, times have definitely changed.

01:15:10.000 Lambos, Ferraris, like, blacked out SUVs, and then a Saturn.

01:15:15.000 Rickety, rackety.

01:15:15.000 Rickety, rickety, rickety.

01:15:17.000 The UFC bought...

01:15:18.000 Great dude, though.

01:15:19.000 I like him.

01:15:20.000 Zufa bought the UFC for $2 million.

01:15:22.000 That's right.

01:15:22.000 Think of that.

01:15:23.000 Yeah.

01:15:23.000 And they, what, $4 billion was the sale price?

01:15:26.000 Talk about profit on return of investment.

01:15:29.000 But it's a long time.

01:15:30.000 I mean, they bought it in 2001, right?

01:15:33.000 And you can imagine how much money the Fratidas, Lorenzo and Frank and Dana, how much money they put in, too.

01:15:39.000 It's not like they bought it for a clean $2 million and had smooth sailing and then sold out, you know?

01:15:43.000 Well, they were in the hole for $40 million by the time 2005 rolled around.

01:15:48.000 So 2005 was the first season of The Ultimate Fighter, and they were in the hole $40 million while they were in production, and they were trying to sell the UFC. No shit.

01:16:02.000 And Lorenzo called Dana the next day and said, fuck it, let's just keep going.

01:16:06.000 Yeah.

01:16:06.000 Like he was saying, see if anybody wants to buy it, and they decided, fuck it, let's just keep going.

01:16:10.000 Yeah.

01:16:11.000 Glad he did.

01:16:11.000 Here we are.

01:16:12.000 Yeah.

01:16:13.000 Yeah, but you gotta think, the number, the amount of money they have to make every month just to make the nut on $4 billion.

01:16:21.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:16:22.000 It's not an easy company to run, I can imagine.

01:16:24.000 I mean, I don't really talk to Ari much when he's back there.

01:16:27.000 I just say hi, shake his hand.

01:16:29.000 I've never met him, yeah.

01:16:30.000 I don't know how well it's doing.

01:16:34.000 I've never met him.

01:16:35.000 I just missed him, actually, in Dubai.

01:16:36.000 Lorenzo threw me a fucking big layup and sent me over to Dubai to train Prince Tarnoon.

01:16:42.000 You've trained him several times, right?

01:16:44.000 I had one trip.

01:16:45.000 I spent about a month there, but I ended up just, instead of teaching a Muay Thai, I just ended up doing jiu-jitsu at Marcel Agassi every day, which was fucking awesome.

01:16:51.000 I show up in Dubai, like, doing that.

01:16:53.000 Well, it was funny because we got off the plane.

01:16:54.000 At first they sent me the airline tickets.

01:16:56.000 Lorenzo was like, hey, you want to go to Dubai?

01:16:57.000 You know, train Tarun?

01:16:58.000 I was like, absolutely.

01:16:59.000 It's Abu Dhabi, right?

01:16:59.000 Yeah, it was Abu Dhabi, Dubai.

01:17:00.000 I'm sorry.

01:17:01.000 Abu Dhabi, but Dubai is, like, right there, so.

01:17:02.000 You know, so, going to Abu Dhabi, like, I got the airline tickets.

01:17:05.000 I was like, what the fuck is this?

01:17:07.000 ETS, something, airlines, there's some bullshit flying some fucking weird airlines.

01:17:11.000 And I looked it up, and I was like, oh shit, there's like gold toilets and shit.

01:17:15.000 And I looked, and I told them, I was like, I need an assistant to go.

01:17:18.000 He's like, you may have an assistant.

01:17:19.000 And I was like, perfect.

01:17:20.000 I looked, and it was nine grand each a ticket.

01:17:22.000 It was like 18 grand for, like, the flights.

01:17:24.000 It was in, like, full beds, like, little capsules.

01:17:27.000 You could get fillets and shit.

01:17:28.000 But we got there.

01:17:30.000 There was nobody at the airport.

01:17:32.000 I'm like, fuck, dude.

01:17:33.000 I don't know who to call.

01:17:34.000 What's going on?

01:17:35.000 I had no idea, right?

01:17:36.000 Some guy walks over to me and he hands me a box, a mobile phone.

01:17:40.000 And I open the box and there's a phone.

01:17:41.000 He goes, the phone will ring when he needs you.

01:17:43.000 And I was like, what the fuck is this?

01:17:45.000 And then a stretched out 7 Series.

01:17:48.000 So check this out.

01:17:49.000 A stretched out 7 Series BMW comes.

01:17:52.000 And the guy's like, he comes over, he grabs my bag, he puts them in, and he takes us to a place called the Twin Towers.

01:17:58.000 You motherfuckers.

01:17:59.000 Oddly enough, right after 9-11, I'm like, oh, I get it.

01:18:02.000 Fucking Twin Towers.

01:18:03.000 Fucking put the American guys up in the Twin Towers.

01:18:06.000 And we get there, and it's the middle of night.

01:18:08.000 Me and my buddy Neil, one of my students at the time, Neil Legallo, we ended up going up to the room, and there was nothing there.

01:18:13.000 There was no furniture.

01:18:14.000 The beds weren't.

01:18:15.000 It wasn't like a hotel.

01:18:15.000 It was like an apartment.

01:18:16.000 Because we were going to be there for a month, and I was like, dude, is there a fucking Target open right now?

01:18:20.000 I can get some bed sheets and stuff.

01:18:22.000 I need soap.

01:18:23.000 There was nothing there.

01:18:25.000 And we literally sat in that apartment, going across the street to the market, where we were the only white dudes in the market, just getting cans of tuna and olive oil and bread just to dip it in.

01:18:36.000 We were surviving for two days, just staring at the fucking phone every day.

01:18:41.000 It's going to fucking ring.

01:18:42.000 I know it's going to ring.

01:18:42.000 It didn't provide food.

01:18:43.000 Well, listen, so then the phone rang.

01:18:46.000 And he said, there'll be a driver outside.

01:18:48.000 You know, when you get there, like, when you go downstairs, there'll be a driver outside.

01:18:51.000 You're going to go to the palace.

01:18:52.000 So we go downstairs, there's a driver outside, and he gives us the whole rundown about, do not make eye contact with the prince.

01:18:56.000 Only call him in sinus.

01:18:57.000 And I'm like, dude, this is trippy as fuck, dude.

01:19:00.000 And you got to do jujitsu with this guy.

01:19:02.000 No, I'm supposed to train him in Muay Thai.

01:19:03.000 He wants to learn Muay Thai.

01:19:04.000 Because he said, he asked Lorenzo, like, you know, who you do Muay Thai with.

01:19:08.000 I was wanting to learn Muay Thai.

01:19:09.000 So Lorenzo mentioned me, and that's how I got over there.

01:19:11.000 So I get to the palace.

01:19:12.000 And I show up in this workout room, and I'm just sitting there.

01:19:16.000 I'm like, dude, this is so weird.

01:19:17.000 No one's telling us what's going on.

01:19:19.000 And Marcelo Garcia walks in with a gym bag, and I was like, holy fucking shit, it's Marcelo Garcia!

01:19:24.000 We ended up, like, Tao Te Nguyen came out, His Highness Tao Te Nguyen came out, and we did a little bit of Muay Thai, but his passion for jiu-jitsu was so overwhelming that all he wanted to do is do jiu-jitsu.

01:19:33.000 He's like, do you like jiu-jitsu?

01:19:34.000 And I was like, yeah, I love jiu-jitsu.

01:19:35.000 He's like, let's do jiu-jitsu.

01:19:36.000 Yeah.

01:19:37.000 I ended up training every day with Marcelo Garcia for like a month straight.

01:19:41.000 And we did like maybe in a month's time, we did like maybe three hours of Muay Thai.

01:19:46.000 Really?

01:19:46.000 Yeah.

01:19:47.000 And then going back to the Ari story, as I was leaving, I think Ari was coming in doing some type of business with His Highness at the time or something.

01:19:55.000 We just missed each other.

01:19:56.000 That was my point to tell you about Ari.

01:19:58.000 What is he like hanging out with?

01:19:59.000 Because all that eye contact shit seems to go out the window once you're around him.

01:20:03.000 Once you get to know him, once I got to know him and I got a little more comfortable around him, he was super cool.

01:20:08.000 Super cool, dude.

01:20:09.000 Really intense dude, man.

01:20:11.000 Everything to the extreme.

01:20:13.000 Like, I'm going to hike Mount Everest.

01:20:15.000 He hikes fucking Mount Everest.

01:20:16.000 He's like, oh, dude, everything.

01:20:17.000 He had like an elevation chamber, like an elevation tent and stuff.

01:20:24.000 He had just everything.

01:20:25.000 Anything he did was like to the extreme.

01:20:27.000 I mean, obviously, talking like an extreme dude, a trillionaire, he can do anything he wants.

01:20:31.000 Is he a trillionaire?

01:20:32.000 Trillion.

01:20:33.000 This is a thing that people don't understand when you hear about the world's richest men.

01:20:38.000 Those are people with public incomes.

01:20:40.000 This is not oligarchs.

01:20:42.000 He's above and beyond fucking Forbes 500. He's literally a prince.

01:20:48.000 He was funny.

01:20:49.000 He told me a story about how Henzo, and I've laughed at this with Henzo.

01:20:53.000 Henzo, they had this big horse race that they do when they race across the desert.

01:20:58.000 And they needed another rider.

01:21:00.000 And you do it with no saddle or something.

01:21:01.000 It's this crazy long 20-30 mile horse race or something like that.

01:21:06.000 I don't know the details of it, but Henzo was there at the time and they were like, we need another rider.

01:21:11.000 And Henzo's like, fuck it, I'll ride.

01:21:12.000 And they're like, no bro, you don't understand.

01:21:14.000 You got a fucking scarf around your throat and you just get on a horse and you go for whatever it is, how long it is.

01:21:21.000 Henzo did the race.

01:21:22.000 He survived the race.

01:21:23.000 It was crazy.

01:21:23.000 Yeah.

01:21:24.000 Ask him about it sometime.

01:21:25.000 It's funny telling the story.

01:21:26.000 You know, Henzo just won.

01:21:27.000 I saw that.

01:21:28.000 51 years old.

01:21:29.000 I was saying to myself, what's he doing?

01:21:31.000 He's going to fight again.

01:21:32.000 He's really doing this.

01:21:32.000 It's like Yuki Kondo.

01:21:34.000 I know.

01:21:34.000 And he took him down with a very slick move.

01:21:38.000 Yeah.

01:21:39.000 He hooked the leg and then went through the underside and butterflied the back of the other leg and dragged him down.

01:21:48.000 I saw the finish.

01:21:49.000 I didn't see the fight.

01:21:50.000 How long did the fight last?

01:21:51.000 It wasn't that long.

01:21:51.000 First round?

01:21:52.000 Yeah, it was first round.

01:21:53.000 Second round?

01:21:54.000 Second round, yeah.

01:21:54.000 Was it second round?

01:21:55.000 Henzo's still getting at it, huh?

01:21:57.000 Go earlier than this so you can see the actual takedown.

01:22:00.000 Because the takedown's slick.

01:22:02.000 So he dives in.

01:22:04.000 And a very dangerous guy, Yuki Kondo.

01:22:07.000 Yuki Kondo stops Saluhibero.

01:22:09.000 Like, Yuki Kondo was a beast.

01:22:12.000 Vicious, vicious fucking striker.

01:22:15.000 But, you know, also 50 years old himself, I think.

01:22:19.000 So, Henzo gets a single.

01:22:20.000 Watch this.

01:22:21.000 Look at that trip.

01:22:22.000 See that?

01:22:23.000 How he hooks and butterflies the opposite leg.

01:22:27.000 Ugh.

01:22:27.000 That is a...

01:22:28.000 I love that move.

01:22:29.000 Master Henzo Gracie.

01:22:31.000 Unbelievable, man.

01:22:31.000 Such a great person.

01:22:33.000 Great jujitsu.

01:22:34.000 He's been an inspiration to us all.

01:22:35.000 51 years old.

01:22:36.000 And looks like he's 51 with his body.

01:22:38.000 It doesn't look like he's juiced to the tits.

01:22:41.000 You know what?

01:22:42.000 He's in this position right now.

01:22:43.000 He's got his back.

01:22:43.000 He's like, I got you, motherfucker.

01:22:46.000 Henzo gets on your back and that's a wrap, pretty much.

01:22:48.000 Yeah, and Kondo was always a striker.

01:22:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:22:51.000 Is this 50-year-old division going to manifest or something?

01:22:56.000 They're talking about this Masters League or something like that.

01:22:58.000 Is it actually going to manifest?

01:23:00.000 I don't know, man, but in Japan, they'll have anybody fight.

01:23:05.000 The freakier, the better.

01:23:06.000 Gabby Garcia fight old housewives.

01:23:09.000 Yeah.

01:23:09.000 They don't give a fuck.

01:23:10.000 They have grandma's fight in Japan.

01:23:12.000 They'll do anything.

01:23:13.000 And then what they're doing in 1FC, I mean, they're basically, look, they're rehabilitating careers.

01:23:20.000 I mean, look at fucking Brandon Vera.

01:23:23.000 Brandon Vera's a monster over there now.

01:23:24.000 He is active.

01:23:25.000 He's the heavyweight champ.

01:23:26.000 That's right, yeah.

01:23:27.000 Dude, you ever see what he looks like now?

01:23:29.000 No.

01:23:29.000 I haven't even followed it in a while, yeah.

01:23:31.000 He looks like a poster boy for USADA's sniff test.

01:23:33.000 Oh, shit.

01:23:35.000 He's gigantic.

01:23:35.000 His neck starts at the top of his head.

01:23:38.000 Look at him.

01:23:38.000 He's yoked.

01:23:39.000 He's a huge heavyweight now.

01:23:40.000 He was always big, but he's yoked up now, huh?

01:23:42.000 Oh, yeah, dude.

01:23:43.000 He's for sure on Mexican supplements.

01:23:45.000 Good for him.

01:23:46.000 Go for it.

01:23:47.000 He's got that Tijuana test.

01:23:49.000 I don't know what...

01:23:51.000 See if you can find a video of him fighting, because he looks like a fucking gorilla now.

01:23:56.000 What does it say he weighs?

01:23:57.000 Does it say there?

01:24:00.000 He's 40 years old now.

01:24:01.000 He's 40 at age 40. 6'2", 230 it says there.

01:24:04.000 He was a very light 250 now.

01:24:08.000 250 now, Jesus.

01:24:09.000 Yeah, see if you can find a video of him.

01:24:12.000 Go deep into the fight, see how big he is.

01:24:17.000 Ugh.

01:24:18.000 He's so big.

01:24:19.000 He's a big dude.

01:24:20.000 I mean, he's a real heavyweight now.

01:24:21.000 Yeah.

01:24:22.000 Is he living in Asia now?

01:24:23.000 Where is he at?

01:24:24.000 I don't think so.

01:24:25.000 Originally San Diego, right?

01:24:26.000 He's still San Diego.

01:24:28.000 Yeah.

01:24:29.000 Oh, head kick from hell.

01:24:30.000 Yeah, dude.

01:24:31.000 He's a monster.

01:24:32.000 His jits is good, too.

01:24:33.000 Dean Lister guy, right?

01:24:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:34.000 His jits is solid.

01:24:35.000 Well, I think he started with Lloyd Irvin.

01:24:38.000 Okay, yep, you're right.

01:24:39.000 I mean, he's gone to a bunch of camps.

01:24:42.000 I had a chance to train with him when he was at Eddie's place at the old bomb squad.

01:24:46.000 He came in, and it was before he fought in the UFC. And I remember saying to him, like, what weight are you fighting in?

01:24:52.000 He's like, heavyweight.

01:24:52.000 And I was like, wow.

01:24:54.000 He didn't look like a big guy.

01:24:55.000 He wasn't a big heavyweight at the time.

01:24:57.000 No, he was very light for a heavyweight, but he was fucking people up.

01:24:59.000 Good Muay Thai, too.

01:25:00.000 Melchor Menor, I think he trained with, too.

01:25:02.000 Rob Kamen.

01:25:03.000 Rob Kamen.

01:25:03.000 He was Rob Kamen's guy for a while.

01:25:06.000 And then him and Rob had a dispute about percentage payments or something like that.

01:25:13.000 There was a kid, though, that I think managed him in my area.

01:25:15.000 I forget his name back in the day, but he had some money issues, too.

01:25:19.000 Man, I don't know what happened with Rob.

01:25:21.000 Rob vanished.

01:25:22.000 I never see him anymore.

01:25:23.000 Yeah, man.

01:25:24.000 It's funny.

01:25:24.000 He was around for a while, and he disappeared, and he'd come back around for a while.

01:25:28.000 And then before you know it, I saw him eating fucking space cake on Instagram in Holland.

01:25:33.000 I was like, all right, I guess he's in Holland now.

01:25:34.000 I don't know what the fuck he's doing.

01:25:35.000 Is that where he is?

01:25:36.000 He's back in Holland?

01:25:36.000 I think so, yeah.

01:25:37.000 I think he had just some ups and downs in his life, and he just needed to get the fuck out, just go back to his roots.

01:25:41.000 I saw him videos of him in a field frolicking in fucking Amsterdam.

01:25:47.000 I was like, my man, Rob.

01:25:48.000 I love that guy, though.

01:25:50.000 He had some thing that he was putting together, like Kamin 101, like some workout thing.

01:25:55.000 He was nasty back in the day, man.

01:25:59.000 He was like one of the first foreigners at Korea Tong at the Sia Tong camp.

01:26:03.000 I remember Duke Rufus on the podcast years ago was talking about Rob Kamin and Sia Tong.

01:26:08.000 He was like one of our first foreign superstars, like him, Raymond Decker, those guys.

01:26:14.000 He was a big guy, too, for a guy that was fighting the ties.

01:26:17.000 He was.

01:26:17.000 He was way bigger than everybody else.

01:26:19.000 What I loved about him, too, as a southpaw, he would attack the back leg a lot.

01:26:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:24.000 It's the worst way to take a low kick.

01:26:25.000 I was just going to say that.

01:26:26.000 He would do that slight step to the side and go across both legs.

01:26:30.000 Oh.

01:26:33.000 Right across the front.

01:26:34.000 Jeb McLeod.

01:26:35.000 What is that?

01:26:36.000 What do you say?

01:26:37.000 Jeb.

01:26:37.000 Hurt.

01:26:39.000 Hurt.

01:26:40.000 Or Jeb.

01:26:41.000 Jeb, like J-E-B. Jeb.

01:26:43.000 What does that mean?

01:26:44.000 It means hurt.

01:26:45.000 Jeb means hurt?

01:26:46.000 Yeah, hurt.

01:26:47.000 Jeb Hoy?

01:26:48.000 If I say Jeb, that means hurt.

01:26:49.000 If I want to say it hurts a lot, I say Mock, like my name Mock.

01:26:52.000 Jeb Mock.

01:26:53.000 Jeb Mock.

01:26:54.000 Like happy DJ, very happy DJ Mock.

01:26:57.000 And then you can throw the Tiespang, go, oh, DJ Mockley.

01:27:02.000 Could you read, Ty?

01:27:03.000 I'm just now, my brother Joshua, who is one of my students back home, he's a Buddhist monk, a white dude with a man bun, drives a Jeep, like you never know.

01:27:11.000 Cut that man bun while he sleeps.

01:27:12.000 Ha ha ha!

01:27:14.000 Stop that.

01:27:14.000 He's teaching me how to read and write.

01:27:17.000 You know, I can speak.

01:27:18.000 I knew I could speak Thai pretty well when I actually started talking to people on the phone, like people from Thailand on the phone.

01:27:24.000 Because if I'm in front of you, it's like any language.

01:27:26.000 Like, you go, like you fly, like what time?

01:27:29.000 Like you can fucking caveman language and you can figure it out, you know?

01:27:32.000 But once I started talking to like Thai friends on the phone, I was like, dude, I got this.

01:27:36.000 Like I'm not using like my hand signs and whatnot.

01:27:38.000 Right.

01:27:39.000 All right, so like if you had to say someone in Thai, like the weigh-ins are today, but it's not the real weigh-in.

01:27:45.000 It's a ceremonial weigh-in.

01:27:47.000 The real weigh-in started at 8 a.m.

01:27:49.000 What would you say?

01:27:50.000 The Thais don't even go that far.

01:27:53.000 That's way too much.

01:27:54.000 Really?

01:27:55.000 Yeah, dude.

01:27:56.000 That's way too much.

01:27:58.000 Dude, I'll explain Thai language to you right now.

01:28:01.000 You ready?

01:28:01.000 Let's take the verb to like.

01:28:02.000 Like you like something.

01:28:04.000 Chop.

01:28:04.000 Karate chop.

01:28:05.000 Chop.

01:28:05.000 That means I like.

01:28:06.000 Okay.

01:28:07.000 I take the word my, M-A-I, if I put it before it, if I want to ask you if you like something, I just say, chop my, that means my's at the end, I'm asking you a question, chop, like, my, do you like?

01:28:20.000 If you like it, you say chop.

01:28:23.000 If you don't like it, you put the my in front and go, my chop.

01:28:26.000 It's literally like, like, no like.

01:28:28.000 It's fucking cave language, bro.

01:28:31.000 So if I'm like, alright, you know, take the word, like I said, like, uh, go.

01:28:35.000 Like, bai.

01:28:36.000 Bai means go.

01:28:38.000 Bai mai, are you going?

01:28:40.000 Mai bai, not going.

01:28:41.000 If you're going, you just go, bai.

01:28:43.000 Wow.

01:28:44.000 Dude, that's the crash course of Thai right there.

01:28:47.000 But the best in the kingdom, bro, is knowing the Thai-Glish.

01:28:49.000 Me and my trainer, Krutoy Sietong, the son of Krutoy Sietong, always taught me Thai-Glish because it was the fastest way from A to B. It's like, all right, if you want to say water, like it's nam.

01:28:58.000 But rather than say nam, you just say wata.

01:29:01.000 I'm like, oh shit.

01:29:02.000 Like airport, sanampin.

01:29:04.000 Just go airport.

01:29:08.000 Do they know what airport means?

01:29:10.000 Oh, dude.

01:29:11.000 If you say sanampin and you say it with the wrong tone, it's something different.

01:29:16.000 It's like the word my, my, my.

01:29:19.000 Dog, horse, cum.

01:29:21.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:29:22.000 That's why you can really get fucked up trying to speak Thai in Thailand.

01:29:26.000 That's why I teach all my students at Crash Course Pro, Thai-glish.

01:29:29.000 Like, you want water?

01:29:29.000 Water.

01:29:30.000 You want to go to the airport?

01:29:31.000 Airport.

01:29:34.000 Passport?

01:29:34.000 Passport.

01:29:35.000 You just have to say it like you would with an accent.

01:29:37.000 It's literally like you're almost mocking them, but you're not.

01:29:42.000 They get it right away.

01:29:43.000 Oh, that's so strange.

01:29:44.000 It's weird.

01:29:45.000 I've had literally people like, dude, you're fucking ranking on the guy.

01:29:49.000 No, I'm not, dude.

01:29:50.000 I'm talking to him.

01:29:51.000 When we went to places, they all spoke English.

01:29:54.000 Almost everybody.

01:29:55.000 For the most part, nowadays.

01:29:56.000 Nowadays, for the most part, yeah.

01:29:58.000 So back then when you were fighting, it was more difficult to communicate?

01:30:03.000 Well, there was less tourists, you know.

01:30:05.000 Right.

01:30:06.000 And now, you know, it's over, it's plagued with, like, Germans and Russians as, like, everybody's going to Thailand.

01:30:11.000 There was a lot.

01:30:12.000 I saw a Ferrari driving down the street for the first time ever, like, a couple years ago in Thailand.

01:30:15.000 I was like, a fucking Ferrari?

01:30:16.000 In Patia City, Thailand?

01:30:18.000 It's all Russian money.

01:30:19.000 Like, a lot of Russians go there with big Russian money, you know.

01:30:21.000 Yeah, there's a lot of, like, gangster activity in Patia, right?

01:30:25.000 Specifically, like, Russian.

01:30:26.000 Like, Dutch-Russian.

01:30:27.000 Yeah?

01:30:27.000 What are they doing over there?

01:30:29.000 I don't know.

01:30:30.000 I don't ask.

01:30:30.000 I don't know.

01:30:31.000 Fucking selling people.

01:30:33.000 I don't fucking know.

01:30:35.000 You can buy a liver for fucking 500 baht in the street.

01:30:37.000 Like, I don't know, bro.

01:30:39.000 I don't know, but I definitely know that there was a time when I was going to Thailand and It felt like Thailand and then I went back once and it was like, like everybody was speaking Russian and there was like white dudes everywhere and like all farang, like all foreigners.

01:30:51.000 Why do you think Russian?

01:30:53.000 Why do you think?

01:30:54.000 I don't know.

01:30:55.000 Well, it's a lot of a lot of Europeans vacation in Thailand too.

01:30:58.000 You know, it's like we go to like in America, we go to like Aruba, Bahamas, Jamaica, like that's our vacation.

01:31:03.000 Like the Brits, like from the UK, they're like, let's go holiday in Thailand.

01:31:07.000 You know, they go to Thailand.

01:31:08.000 Australians, they go to Thailand, like they go to Southeast Asia.

01:31:10.000 So it's just, I don't know.

01:31:12.000 It's a big tourist attraction in Thailand for Europeans and for now Russians.

01:31:16.000 I saw a lot of older European or American-looking men with hot, young Thai chicks.

01:31:24.000 Yep, absolutely.

01:31:26.000 And I was like, look at that.

01:31:30.000 You get a fucking great deal over there.

01:31:36.000 They run specials like...

01:31:38.000 Yeah.

01:31:38.000 No, you see it all the time.

01:31:39.000 The worst is like the fat German guy in the fucking man thong walking down the street with a fucking little boy, like a 14-year-old boy.

01:31:46.000 Oh, really?

01:31:47.000 Oh, dude.

01:31:48.000 I've seen some weird shit in Thailand, man.

01:31:50.000 Ooh.

01:31:51.000 Yeah.

01:31:51.000 As I said earlier, man, the land of smiles, but there's not always smiles.

01:31:55.000 Why is it worse if it's a 14-year-old boy versus a 14-year-old girl?

01:31:59.000 Is it...

01:32:01.000 It's all the same at that point.

01:32:03.000 I don't know man.

01:32:04.000 I don't think it's worse.

01:32:05.000 I think the 14 year old boy could probably take it better.

01:32:09.000 I never thought of that.

01:32:10.000 And I don't want to.

01:32:11.000 It's probably less scarring if that's what he's into.

01:32:14.000 Yeah.

01:32:14.000 So you don't see a lot of that shit up in Chiang Mai.

01:32:16.000 It's not like...

01:32:17.000 No.

01:32:17.000 You were more like the elephant country.

01:32:20.000 That's real Thailand to me.

01:32:22.000 That Chiang Mai, that northern Thailand is like the real Thai culture.

01:32:26.000 And then as you go down south, you get more touristy, you get more freak shows.

01:32:31.000 Elephants were everywhere in terms of art.

01:32:33.000 Yeah.

01:32:34.000 Elephant art.

01:32:35.000 Oh, it's huge, prevalent.

01:32:36.000 It's very prevalent in Thai culture.

01:32:38.000 Why are they so into elephants?

01:32:38.000 It's Southeast Asia.

01:32:39.000 That's the fucking animal god.

01:32:42.000 That's it.

01:32:43.000 The elephants, everything to them.

01:32:45.000 The Thai box inside, well, at first it was what they call Krabi Krabong, which is known in Thailand as Thandab, which means long short.

01:32:52.000 And that's the old depiction you see of swordplay.

01:32:55.000 The Thais using swords and they dressed up these elephants in armor and rode baskets and just shot arrows from...

01:33:02.000 From the top of the elephant.

01:33:03.000 So the elephant has always been a huge part of that, even in warfare.

01:33:06.000 Yeah, they use the elephants in combat.

01:33:09.000 So they would like put these armor plates on the trunks of the elephants and the body of the elephant and they would put baskets on them and they would just go off in the battlefield and just be plucking people with arrows and just dropping spears on them.

01:33:24.000 So the elephant was always prevalent to the success of Thai culture.

01:33:28.000 That's crazy.

01:33:29.000 Can you imagine going to battle riding a fucking elephant?

01:33:32.000 Something up there on the internet would fucking battle elephants.

01:33:35.000 Wasn't that in 300?

01:33:36.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:33:37.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:33:38.000 There you go.

01:33:40.000 Fuck, man.

01:33:41.000 Yeah, the Thais were doing that shit against the Burmese back in the day.

01:33:44.000 Can you imagine you're in a fucking war with somebody and you see a bunch of dudes come towards you on elephants?

01:33:50.000 Dude, a giant fucking horse coming at me is one thing, but an elephant?

01:33:54.000 Like, ah, dude, we're outnumbered here.

01:33:56.000 We gotta fight them.

01:33:57.000 They're so big, man.

01:33:58.000 They are.

01:33:59.000 I was so nervous around them.

01:34:01.000 Big time.

01:34:02.000 It's weird.

01:34:02.000 We went to a place that rehabilitates them, and they reintroduce them back into the wild.

01:34:07.000 Yeah.

01:34:08.000 You didn't write it, though, I think.

01:34:10.000 Yeah, I wrote it.

01:34:10.000 You did?

01:34:11.000 I didn't like it, though.

01:34:12.000 Yeah.

01:34:12.000 I just didn't think it was necessary.

01:34:14.000 It's like, this thing doesn't want me to ride it.

01:34:16.000 Lincoln rejects the King of Siam's offer of elephants.

01:34:20.000 This is in 1862. Civil War.

01:34:22.000 Abraham Lincoln.

01:34:23.000 Wow.

01:34:23.000 Oh, Civil War?

01:34:25.000 Yeah, I found that camel thing the other day, and I was like, I wonder if they used them here.

01:34:29.000 What, camels?

01:34:29.000 I just...

01:34:30.000 Yeah, I found something the other day when we were talking about something, and I stumbled across another article that said there were camels in the West, and they used them to travel and carry things to help develop the West.

01:34:41.000 At some point, they abandoned them, and there was like a, they called them the Red Ghost.

01:34:45.000 It was like a myth of this mythical animal that was 30 feet tall, supposedly eight grizzly bears, like I told you.

01:34:51.000 Damn.

01:34:52.000 That was a camel?

01:34:53.000 It ended up being a camel.

01:34:54.000 Yeah, people were just shooting them on sight because they didn't know what it was.

01:34:56.000 That's crazy, man.

01:34:57.000 So it says Lincoln pointed out that steam power had already taken the need for heavy animal power.

01:35:01.000 Yeah, I was just going to say, the train, that's the railroad system coming into play right there.

01:35:05.000 Lincoln was like, fuck you and your elephants, man.

01:35:07.000 We got trains, dude.

01:35:08.000 Yeah, I guess.

01:35:09.000 But once the battle actually starts, a bunch of...

01:35:12.000 When you hear them trumpet, we were pretty close to one when it let out, maybe within 15 yards.

01:35:18.000 And it just went...

01:35:22.000 And you're like, whoa!

01:35:25.000 Serious animal.

01:35:25.000 In real life, that is so loud.

01:35:28.000 They're majestic, man.

01:35:29.000 They have such a presence.

01:35:31.000 It was raining out constantly there during the rainy season, so this elephant was moving through this unbelievably beautiful, lush, green landscape with fog and mist.

01:35:41.000 Cool as fog.

01:35:42.000 Chiang Mai's beautiful.

01:35:43.000 Huge tusks, and he lets out that trumpet, and you're like, whoa, that's a crazy animal.

01:35:48.000 Yeah, man, it's got a serious presence, being around a fucking elephant.

01:35:51.000 And these dudes just walk right up to him, pat it, and touch it.

01:35:53.000 Like, they were really well cared for.

01:35:55.000 Yeah.

01:35:56.000 But we went to a tiger sanctuary.

01:35:57.000 I was just going to say, did you do the tiger thing, too?

01:35:59.000 That was the opposite.

01:35:59.000 Pat the tigers.

01:36:00.000 That was, no, I didn't like that at all.

01:36:02.000 They were drugged up.

01:36:03.000 All they had to be.

01:36:04.000 They got to be.

01:36:05.000 That was disturbing.

01:36:06.000 They gotta be, man.

01:36:08.000 See, there you go.

01:36:09.000 Oh, see there.

01:36:09.000 In war.

01:36:10.000 Well, this guy's got a cannon.

01:36:12.000 He's got a fucking cannon on the top of an elephant.

01:36:14.000 What in the fuck?

01:36:16.000 That dude has a cannon.

01:36:18.000 That is a cannon.

01:36:19.000 That's a legit cannon.

01:36:20.000 There's a Civil War cannon on the top.

01:36:22.000 He's got a machine gun.

01:36:23.000 Look at him.

01:36:24.000 He's got a.50 cal.

01:36:25.000 And what year is this?

01:36:27.000 This is a picture that shows up with that Lincoln and the elephants.

01:36:31.000 Wow.

01:36:33.000 Trippy, dude.

01:36:34.000 Fucking elephants, man.

01:36:35.000 Oh, 50 cal.

01:36:36.000 Look at this thing.

01:36:37.000 See?

01:36:37.000 Wow.

01:36:38.000 Look at all the guns.

01:36:40.000 Guns and spears.

01:36:41.000 Look at all the shit in the back.

01:36:42.000 What in the fuck, man?

01:36:43.000 There you go.

01:36:44.000 That's what I was talking about right there.

01:36:45.000 That is the shittiest way to see an army coming towards you.

01:36:49.000 Riding elephants.

01:36:51.000 It's like Braveheart.

01:36:52.000 You're like, do not retreat.

01:36:54.000 Hold your ground.

01:36:55.000 Fuck you.

01:36:56.000 They're such peaceful animals, too.

01:36:59.000 They eat so much, too.

01:37:01.000 You can't believe how much they eat.

01:37:03.000 That's the thing, yeah.

01:37:04.000 Dude, they walk around in the streets of Patia.

01:37:05.000 A handle will walk them up and down the city streets.

01:37:08.000 Then they give you fruit to feed them, like papaya.

01:37:11.000 They're like, hey, you want to feed the elephant?

01:37:12.000 And you tip the guy.

01:37:13.000 You see an elephant walking down the street through traffic in Patia.

01:37:17.000 It's fucking weird.

01:37:18.000 It's cool, though.

01:37:19.000 But every now and then, you see them just get pissed.

01:37:21.000 Yeah.

01:37:22.000 Yeah, did you ever see the Elephants Gone Wild videos?

01:37:25.000 Yeah, when they're mistreated.

01:37:26.000 They start tipping over cars like they made out of cardboard.

01:37:29.000 I've seen that.

01:37:30.000 They're like, fuck everything.

01:37:33.000 Stampeding, stomping their trainers.

01:37:35.000 All pissed off.

01:37:36.000 Apparently they have tigers wild in Thailand as well.

01:37:40.000 They really do have tigers there.

01:37:42.000 Yeah.

01:37:43.000 The tiger is another one of the tigers.

01:37:46.000 Do you think that it's maybe something in their diet that protects them from staff and from ringworm and all that jazz?

01:37:53.000 In terms of the fighters?

01:37:54.000 Yeah.

01:37:55.000 Perhaps because they eat such spicy food.

01:37:57.000 I was wondering.

01:37:58.000 Is that maybe related?

01:37:59.000 Yeah.

01:37:59.000 When I tell you Thai spice, some of the kids from the camp would literally be dripping sweat, eating the spicy.

01:38:05.000 I was.

01:38:06.000 Sweating, dripping profusely, sweating, eating food.

01:38:09.000 I was.

01:38:10.000 Do you like spicy food?

01:38:11.000 Yeah, I love spicy food.

01:38:12.000 And I told them to go hard.

01:38:13.000 I said, do it like you would do it.

01:38:15.000 How you like.

01:38:18.000 Fucking juice it up, baby.

01:38:19.000 And they didn't, they fucking, they sent it.

01:38:22.000 I remember one of the first trips we had to Thailand.

01:38:25.000 I was with one of my buddies that went over it and he ordered some dish and the Thais were like, no, that's hot, that's spicy.

01:38:31.000 And he's like, no, that's all good.

01:38:33.000 Like, no, no, no, no, that's really spicy.

01:38:34.000 He's like, no, no, it's good.

01:38:36.000 I like spicy food.

01:38:37.000 I'll just drink a lot of water or whatever.

01:38:38.000 He goes, even hot for Thai people.

01:38:41.000 And I was like, bro, are you listening to what he's saying?

01:38:45.000 Come on, live and learn.

01:38:46.000 But he didn't know any better, and he went for it, and I'm telling you, bro.

01:38:50.000 There was three of us in a hotel room in Pattaya, Thailand, and I woke up in the middle of the night with him fucking shooting ass piss out of his ass.

01:38:57.000 Soaked the mattress, the bed, the sheets.

01:38:59.000 He found him in a ball on the bathroom floor, dude.

01:39:02.000 We had to take this kid to the nearest hospital.

01:39:05.000 We had to ride him on the bike.

01:39:06.000 We had to ride three people.

01:39:07.000 One driving, the kid in the middle, and me behind holding him up because he was out of it.

01:39:12.000 From spicy food?

01:39:13.000 Dude, he got so...

01:39:15.000 You sure it wasn't food porn?

01:39:16.000 No, no, it was just the spices just kicked his ass so, so bad.

01:39:19.000 He probably burnt a hole like an ulcer in his stomach, dude.

01:39:22.000 He was in the hospital for like three days on an IV, got a bill for like fucking nine bucks and we were out.

01:39:27.000 That was a wrap.

01:39:28.000 But he never ate the fucking same dish again, though.

01:39:30.000 That's crazy.

01:39:31.000 Yeah, I don't fuck with the spices too much.

01:39:33.000 I love Thai food, and I'll experiment with it, but I'm not like...

01:39:36.000 If my mouth is so hot and I can't taste the food, I don't enjoy it.

01:39:39.000 I'm just like, that's too much.

01:39:40.000 That doesn't seem right to me.

01:39:41.000 That seems like it would be more of a food poisoning issue.

01:39:43.000 It could have been, but all I know is that I'll never forget the smell of that hotel room.

01:39:48.000 You know it's bad when it soaks through the mattress.

01:39:53.000 And you know what the Thais do?

01:39:55.000 They fucking flip it over.

01:39:56.000 Next.

01:39:58.000 I remember my buddy rented a house, like a little village house behind the camp, and this Australian guy was like, hey, your mate's fucking pretty scrappy, huh?

01:40:06.000 I was like, what do you mean?

01:40:07.000 He's like, man, he lives rough, man.

01:40:08.000 I know you like to do the Thai thing, but he's got fucking money.

01:40:12.000 You don't have to live like a fucking bum, you know?

01:40:14.000 I was like, alright, why?

01:40:16.000 What's the matter?

01:40:16.000 He's like, Man, the fucking house he's living in, man.

01:40:18.000 A fucking woman died of a fucking snake bite.

01:40:20.000 Died in her fucking bed, got bit by a snake.

01:40:22.000 And I'm like, what?

01:40:24.000 So I told my buddy, bro, he flipped the mattress over.

01:40:26.000 It was fucking soaked in blood.

01:40:29.000 They flipped the mattress and they fucking rented to the next foreigner coming in.

01:40:33.000 Yeah, dude.

01:40:34.000 Yeah.

01:40:35.000 And I remember literally going to visit him and taking his shoes off, going in his little fucking one-room hut.

01:40:43.000 And then...

01:40:44.000 Going to put my shoes on back, and he's like, shake your sneakers!

01:40:46.000 Shake them out!

01:40:47.000 I'm like, what?

01:40:47.000 I'd shake a fucking tarantula out of my sneakers.

01:40:49.000 You gotta shake your sneakers.

01:40:51.000 You gotta shake your sneakers before you go running in the morning.

01:40:54.000 That was one of the first things I learned in Thailand.

01:40:56.000 Scorpion, shit.

01:40:57.000 Dude, the first time I went to Thailand, I was jumping on the tires.

01:40:59.000 I don't know if you're familiar with it.

01:41:00.000 They have a truck tire, they lay down and they bounce on them.

01:41:02.000 So it's great.

01:41:04.000 What's that for?

01:41:05.000 It's literally like jumping rope, calf strength.

01:41:07.000 It's like jumping rope, but it's awesome because it's not pounding on your joints.

01:41:09.000 So you get the bounce of the tire.

01:41:12.000 And they just kind of alternate stance, and you bounce on the tire, and it's like, you know, your warm-up.

01:41:15.000 It's part of your warm-up.

01:41:16.000 So I'm bouncing on the tires, and this jacked tie guy comes walking out of the room, and he grabs a pair of gloves, and they usually put the laces over the ropes.

01:41:23.000 They hang the gloves to dry over the ropes, and he's like, mean as fuck, and he puts his hand in the glove, and he pulls his hand out, and a fucking tarantula hit the ground.

01:41:33.000 Literally, you could hear the weight of the spider, like, boom!

01:41:36.000 You're like I heard it hit the cement like the weight of the spider and this fucking thing moved so fast about Covered about 12 feet and jumped up four feet into a heavy bag and crawled in between the crack of the leather of the heavy bag I was like what the fuck was that?

01:41:52.000 And my buddy goes, oh, that's a bird-eating spider.

01:41:55.000 And I was like, a bird-eating...

01:41:57.000 Why do they call it a...

01:41:58.000 Wait a minute, it can fucking catch birds?

01:42:00.000 I was like, what the fuck is this?

01:42:02.000 And then literally every time I put my gloves on, I would peek in them and tap on it and walk away and look at the glove.

01:42:09.000 Kick the glove a little bit and like, alright, one's good.

01:42:12.000 Let's try the other one on.

01:42:13.000 Every morning just shaking scorpions out of your sneakers and stuff.

01:42:17.000 You want to know something crazy?

01:42:18.000 We never had a rat problem here at all.

01:42:21.000 We had nothing.

01:42:22.000 And then my dog was here one day.

01:42:25.000 I brought the dog by and then all of a sudden we started having rat problems.

01:42:31.000 And then Jamie looked it up and rats are attracted to dogs.

01:42:36.000 The main thing that rats eat is dog shit.

01:42:41.000 Think about that for a second.

01:42:42.000 I was just going to say, gotta be the feces.

01:42:43.000 So we literally didn't have any problem.

01:42:45.000 And then Jamie was like, dude, there's rat shit here.

01:42:48.000 We found rat shit.

01:42:48.000 And then Jeff, the other guy who works here, found a rat and killed it.

01:42:54.000 Yeah.

01:42:54.000 He grabbed it by the tail.

01:42:56.000 Ooh.

01:42:57.000 And smacked that motherfucker.

01:42:59.000 How gangsta is that?

01:43:00.000 Dude.

01:43:01.000 He grabbed it by the tail.

01:43:02.000 He saw the tail poking out from behind a box and he grabbed it and smacked it on the ground and killed it.

01:43:07.000 I'm good with rats.

01:43:08.000 But it was because Marshall was running around here that the rats smelled that the dog had been in there and they got in there.

01:43:14.000 Look at this.

01:43:15.000 It's crazy.

01:43:15.000 Dog poop attracts rats because they like to eat it plain and simple.

01:43:18.000 In fact, dog poop is said to be the number one food source for rats in developed areas.

01:43:23.000 Wow.

01:43:23.000 But meanwhile, Marshall didn't even shit in here.

01:43:27.000 Just the smell.

01:43:28.000 They might go.

01:43:28.000 Yeah.

01:43:30.000 He pissed outside and he accidentally pissed in my gym.

01:43:34.000 He lifted his leg to pee on the rogue box, the step up box.

01:43:39.000 And I go, hey, cut the shit.

01:43:41.000 We're inside.

01:43:42.000 And then I took him outside and then he finished his piss.

01:43:44.000 So maybe the rat could smell the piss.

01:43:46.000 I was just going to say, yeah, the rat smells it.

01:43:48.000 That's fucked up, though, man.

01:43:49.000 That is fucked up.

01:43:50.000 We never had a problem.

01:43:51.000 I wonder how it works with those rat terriers.

01:43:53.000 They have dogs for that shit.

01:43:54.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:55.000 The little rat terrier.

01:43:55.000 Get a few of those little motherfuckers running around.

01:43:57.000 Those little motherfuckers.

01:43:58.000 Right?

01:43:58.000 They eat those things.

01:43:59.000 Those little things never shut up.

01:44:00.000 Oh.

01:44:01.000 Yep, yep, yep.

01:44:03.000 They're go, go, go.

01:44:04.000 My friend Vicky Lewis from NewsRadio, one of the actresses on NewsRadio, she had a Jack Russell.

01:44:08.000 Yeah.

01:44:09.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:44:09.000 Great dog.

01:44:10.000 Great little dog.

01:44:11.000 It's a big dog in a little dog's body.

01:44:13.000 Like a huge attitude.

01:44:14.000 Like they step up to like big mastiffs and fucking punk them.

01:44:17.000 They're cool.

01:44:18.000 They're little rat killers.

01:44:19.000 Yeah, they are.

01:44:20.000 They're rat terriers.

01:44:20.000 Like they're terriers.

01:44:21.000 Did you ever see that documentary on Netflix about rats?

01:44:25.000 Horrific.

01:44:26.000 Really?

01:44:27.000 Horrific.

01:44:27.000 Like just in terms of infestation and whatnot.

01:44:30.000 Oh, it's disgusting how many of them there are in big cities.

01:44:32.000 Like you realize what a real issue it is.

01:44:35.000 Dude, my wife freaks the fuck out if she sees a fucking rat.

01:44:39.000 She's smart.

01:44:40.000 Well, we had like a little incident.

01:44:41.000 We were fucking parked at a parking garage on the 4th of July.

01:44:43.000 We parked the car and we're walking down to watch the fireworks.

01:44:45.000 And she's standing there and she fucking felt something on her foot.

01:44:50.000 Giant fucking rat chewing on her fucking nail polish.

01:44:54.000 Freaked the fuck out.

01:44:56.000 Never been the same.

01:44:57.000 You literally like my son Dante always fucks with her.

01:45:00.000 He's like mom look a rat and she's fucking freaks the fuck out.

01:45:02.000 She's like Dante that's not funny stop that shit.

01:45:04.000 We all laugh at it.

01:45:05.000 It's fucking hilarious.

01:45:06.000 Deathly afraid of rats.

01:45:07.000 Rats are nasty, dude.

01:45:08.000 They're so gross.

01:45:09.000 Rats are nasty.

01:45:10.000 They're good for something, though.

01:45:12.000 Don't they control something in terms of population?

01:45:14.000 They have benefits.

01:45:15.000 They're good at keeping rat populations high.

01:45:18.000 That's about it.

01:45:19.000 What are they good for?

01:45:20.000 They're good for cleaning up dog shit.

01:45:22.000 That's nasty.

01:45:23.000 I can't even imagine that's their number one source of food.

01:45:25.000 It's gross.

01:45:27.000 What the fuck, man?

01:45:28.000 He must have horrible breath.

01:45:30.000 Yeah.

01:45:32.000 What a creepy little survivor.

01:45:34.000 But the documentary on Netflix is brilliant.

01:45:37.000 I gotta check it out.

01:45:38.000 It really is good.

01:45:38.000 And in one of the scenes, they have these rat terriers tearing them apart.

01:45:42.000 Yeah.

01:45:43.000 Where they're digging into these holes and the rats come out and the dogs just grab them and mangle them.

01:45:48.000 That's what they're for.

01:45:48.000 What's up?

01:45:48.000 Do you think they're like...

01:45:51.000 I just read something quickly and it doesn't really say much.

01:45:53.000 Do you think they eat trash and they help us?

01:45:56.000 No.

01:45:57.000 No?

01:45:57.000 No.

01:45:58.000 We throw trash away.

01:45:59.000 We don't need them to eat it.

01:45:59.000 They control some population.

01:46:02.000 They've got to be good for fucking something.

01:46:04.000 Well, there's an ecosystem, right?

01:46:06.000 Exactly.

01:46:06.000 Every animal has its little spot.

01:46:09.000 Dude, we get the big Boston rats.

01:46:11.000 They literally, like, they fucking punk cats.

01:46:13.000 They look like, they're, like, the size of, like, a possum.

01:46:16.000 They're, like, way bigger than, like, any jacked-up squirrel or anything like that.

01:46:19.000 They're just big, big.

01:46:21.000 The triangle tails, like, nasty.

01:46:24.000 They're survivor rats, rather.

01:46:26.000 They're out in that cold winter, and they figure out a way to get under the ground.

01:46:30.000 And fucking Boston rats, they got accents and shit.

01:46:32.000 They're like, dude, pack the car.

01:46:34.000 Fucking scally cap on.

01:46:37.000 Running around eating dog shit.

01:46:39.000 Do you ever think about bailing the fucking winters there and everything?

01:46:44.000 Does it get to you?

01:46:45.000 All the time.

01:46:46.000 All the time, yeah.

01:46:47.000 I mean, my parents are elderly.

01:46:48.000 I've got to keep an eye on them.

01:46:49.000 All my family's in Boston and my business is in Boston.

01:46:53.000 Luckily, I travel a lot, so it's kind of like the vent.

01:46:56.000 I get away and I'll do a day or two on a beach somewhere at a UFC event, and that'll be a little recharge.

01:47:02.000 But man, as I get older, I never really was overwhelmed with winters until I started getting older.

01:47:08.000 I'm like, dude, my body hurts.

01:47:10.000 My muscles ache.

01:47:11.000 My joints ache.

01:47:12.000 The cold's nasty.

01:47:13.000 Especially that New England cold, man.

01:47:15.000 It's like wet cold.

01:47:16.000 It takes so long for it to go away.

01:47:17.000 You got the fuck out.

01:47:18.000 I remember we talked about this.

01:47:19.000 You're like, fuck winter.

01:47:21.000 Fuck snow.

01:47:22.000 Fuck that.

01:47:24.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:47:25.000 I like some places where it gets cold.

01:47:27.000 Like, I love Colorado.

01:47:28.000 Yeah, I remember you lived there for a while.

01:47:29.000 I'd love it.

01:47:30.000 I'd move back there.

01:47:32.000 Jamie and I have talked about it.

01:47:33.000 Like, if this shit gets too crazy here...

01:47:35.000 It's a different cold, though.

01:47:35.000 It's like the...

01:47:36.000 It's fine.

01:47:37.000 Yeah.

01:47:37.000 It's not as bad as, like, the New England winter.

01:47:39.000 It's just, like, wet.

01:47:40.000 Nasty.

01:47:41.000 Four-wheel drive, snow tires, warm clothes, fireplace.

01:47:45.000 Good.

01:47:46.000 Archery.

01:47:47.000 Just do it.

01:47:47.000 It's just...

01:47:48.000 In Colorado, it's sunny.

01:47:50.000 That's the other thing.

01:47:51.000 Good point.

01:47:52.000 Colorado's sunny like 300 plus days a year.

01:47:54.000 Boston, you go through months with that gray shit in the sky.

01:47:59.000 We don't see past the clouds.

01:48:02.000 You never see nothing.

01:48:03.000 Just a dull gray blanket.

01:48:08.000 Hanging over your head follows you around.

01:48:09.000 And the women, the attitude they have.

01:48:11.000 Like, what are you going to do for me?

01:48:16.000 Well, you wonder why they're like that.

01:48:18.000 It's fucking miserable.

01:48:20.000 But I'll tell you what, though.

01:48:21.000 Boston in the summer.

01:48:22.000 I love Boston in the summer.

01:48:22.000 Oh, it's amazing.

01:48:23.000 As soon as the sun's out, guns out, everybody's running around.

01:48:27.000 Girls are dressing half-dressed.

01:48:29.000 Everybody looks happy.

01:48:30.000 Exactly.

01:48:31.000 Everybody's happy.

01:48:31.000 Everybody's chilling.

01:48:32.000 Boston in the summer is cool.

01:48:33.000 I like Boston.

01:48:34.000 I'm a Boston native.

01:48:36.000 I always will be true and true, but definitely not a fan of the winters.

01:48:40.000 You think you're going to bail someday?

01:48:41.000 Probably, yeah.

01:48:42.000 Where are you going to go?

01:48:44.000 That's a good question.

01:48:45.000 Possibly.

01:48:49.000 You looking for work?

01:48:50.000 You hiring?

01:48:51.000 Listen.

01:48:53.000 If I was going to hire a Muay Thai coach, start up a gym.

01:48:56.000 I like it.

01:48:57.000 I've almost relocated a few times.

01:48:59.000 They could use one out here, honestly.

01:49:01.000 Yeah, there's not a real dedicated Muay Thai gym anywhere near me.

01:49:05.000 I got offers, obviously, working for the company and whatnot.

01:49:08.000 Some offers to move to Vegas and whatnot.

01:49:11.000 At first, I was like, fuck Vegas.

01:49:12.000 I'll never live in Vegas.

01:49:13.000 But then I started hanging around with the right people.

01:49:16.000 Henderson.

01:49:17.000 Oh, dude, out of Summerlin, like, where, like, Lorenzo lives, like, hanging out, going to, like, football games with Lorenzo and the family.

01:49:23.000 Like, dude, there's, like, families, little kids riding bikes down the street.

01:49:26.000 It's normal.

01:49:27.000 It's normal.

01:49:27.000 It felt normal.

01:49:28.000 Like, Summerlin in Vegas felt normal to me.

01:49:31.000 Like, I felt like I could actually live in Summerlin, like, you know.

01:49:34.000 The thing about it is...

01:49:35.000 I need to be near the ocean.

01:49:36.000 ...all connected to the evil dick of Vegas.

01:49:40.000 It's all like all the jizz comes out of the evil dick and that's what powers all those communities.

01:49:48.000 Those communities wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the casino.

01:49:52.000 You're absolutely right, man.

01:49:53.000 The worst is seeing the locals.

01:49:55.000 Get their check on Fridays and they go right to the fucking casino and they just blow through it.

01:49:59.000 It's fucking sad to see, man.

01:50:01.000 Vegas is a fucking weird place, dude.

01:50:03.000 I'm way over Vegas.

01:50:04.000 People are like, oh, you're going to Vegas?

01:50:05.000 That's fucking awesome, dude.

01:50:06.000 I've never been there.

01:50:07.000 I'm like, dude, it's nothing awesome about fucking Vegas.

01:50:09.000 Well, the good parts are really good.

01:50:11.000 The restaurants are amazing.

01:50:13.000 Vegas has some of the best restaurants.

01:50:15.000 They still have 24-hour pool halls.

01:50:17.000 I was just going to say, that's one thing that I like about Vegas.

01:50:21.000 Nothing's ever closed.

01:50:22.000 You want a fucking burger, it's fucking 4 o'clock in the morning, go fucking get a burger somewhere.

01:50:25.000 You want to go out, you want to have a drink, you want to play pool, like we've done many times, like, late at night, middle of night.

01:50:30.000 That's what I love about it.

01:50:31.000 I'm a night owl, for sure.

01:50:33.000 I don't sleep well at night.

01:50:35.000 If I were to choose just to operate from the sunset, sundown, to sunup, and then sleep all day, I would.

01:50:43.000 Other than laying in the sun, I'm a night owl, for sure.

01:50:46.000 But that's the one thing I do like about Vegas.

01:50:49.000 Nothing's ever closed.

01:50:50.000 It makes you feel weird.

01:50:51.000 Why can't I buy a drink at 3 a.m.?

01:50:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:50:54.000 How come I can't have a beer when I want to have a beer?

01:50:57.000 Am I a grown man?

01:50:59.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:50:59.000 It's like after 2, everybody gets crazy.

01:51:01.000 You gotta stop!

01:51:02.000 Stop it!

01:51:04.000 Isn't that weird that we have time or we tell you, look, you've got to go to bed.

01:51:08.000 It's over.

01:51:09.000 As if it's going to give us structure and teach us lessons.

01:51:12.000 But I guess it does.

01:51:14.000 It does, right?

01:51:14.000 Like the gambling thing.

01:51:15.000 The thing about gambling is if gambling was everywhere, then it would normalize.

01:51:19.000 Right.

01:51:19.000 But it's not everywhere.

01:51:20.000 It's just in a couple spots.

01:51:23.000 So when you get to it, that's when people are up playing cards at fucking 5 o'clock in the morning, bleary-eyed, betting their mortgage.

01:51:30.000 Yeah.

01:51:31.000 Pumping oxygen into the casinos.

01:51:33.000 Dude, so many people go there and lose everything.

01:51:36.000 Everything they have.

01:51:37.000 I can't even fathom that.

01:51:39.000 It happens all the time.

01:51:41.000 Do you gamble?

01:51:41.000 No, not really.

01:51:42.000 I'll entertain and play some blackjack or something like that if my buddies are playing, but I don't go out of my way to gamble.

01:51:50.000 I like bets on fights.

01:51:51.000 I was just going to say the same thing.

01:51:52.000 I like betting fights.

01:51:53.000 I like doing stuff like that.

01:51:55.000 Bets with friends or whatever.

01:51:57.000 Betting fights just makes it more interesting.

01:51:59.000 Absolutely.

01:51:59.000 Like, you know, like, yeah, give me 50 bucks on this.

01:52:02.000 And then while you're watching it, you're like, come on, come on.

01:52:05.000 Exactly.

01:52:06.000 Yes!

01:52:07.000 Yes.

01:52:07.000 And then you always feel real sneaky when you get a shit decision.

01:52:10.000 You're like, ooh, we won that one.

01:52:12.000 We didn't deserve it.

01:52:14.000 My buddy, one of the guys I train, Rico DeShulo, he bets fights and he is fucking spot on, man.

01:52:20.000 He doesn't miss.

01:52:21.000 Really?

01:52:22.000 Oh, dude, he can...

01:52:23.000 Literally, I consult him between...

01:52:24.000 Because, you know, Marin in the truck, I'm always betting with Marin.

01:52:26.000 We're always just betting on fights.

01:52:28.000 And I go right to my buddy, Rico.

01:52:31.000 I'm like, Rico, what do you got?

01:52:32.000 Did you consult him about this weekend?

01:52:34.000 Yes, and he was spot on with every fight except for one.

01:52:37.000 I think...

01:52:39.000 Nicola, Mateus Nicolo, who got caught by Dustin Ortiz.

01:52:43.000 I think that was the only fight he missed.

01:52:45.000 That was a crazy head kick.

01:52:46.000 It was, man.

01:52:47.000 And he set it up nice, too.

01:52:48.000 He set it up real nice because, you know, it almost looked...

01:52:51.000 It was like delayed.

01:52:52.000 It's almost like one speed, and then it changed direction.

01:52:55.000 It changed speed, and he went high with it.

01:52:57.000 He set it up good.

01:52:58.000 It was done well.

01:52:58.000 Yeah, it almost like...

01:52:59.000 Not a question mark kick, but it looked like he was going to the middle.

01:53:02.000 Bring that up real quick, Jamie.

01:53:04.000 Take a peek at that.

01:53:05.000 Because it's like he was establishing a low kick at first, and then it's almost like he looked like he was going to throw a low kick, and then he changed the speed of the kick.

01:53:14.000 I call it the delay.

01:53:15.000 If you delay the kick and you change the timing of the kick, it's hard to read.

01:53:20.000 That's how he caught him.

01:53:21.000 He actually had a glove up, too, oddly enough, but it went right through the glove.

01:53:24.000 Yeah.

01:53:25.000 It was a good angle.

01:53:25.000 Dustin looked good, though, man.

01:53:26.000 He looked real good.

01:53:27.000 Yeah.

01:53:28.000 He's a stud, you know?

01:53:29.000 Yeah, he really is.

01:53:30.000 Well, they need people at that weight class.

01:53:32.000 Who the fuck is there after this weekend?

01:53:35.000 Who's there?

01:53:37.000 You know?

01:53:38.000 Good question.

01:53:39.000 I mean, unless TJ comes down or Cody comes down, depending on who wins this fight, apparently they can both make the weight.

01:53:46.000 And that's another thing, too.

01:53:47.000 Wasn't Demetrius concerned with that he's going to commit to having a fight with one of them and then go through a full camp and then they miss weight and he's fucked?

01:53:54.000 So he said, like, take a fight.

01:53:56.000 I agree with that 100%.

01:53:58.000 I do, but I don't think they would miss weight.

01:54:02.000 Those guys are super professional.

01:54:03.000 Both of them are.

01:54:04.000 And TJ had already said he'd made the weight before.

01:54:07.000 He has?

01:54:07.000 Yeah.

01:54:08.000 Wow.

01:54:08.000 He's tried it.

01:54:09.000 Yeah.

01:54:10.000 Interesting.

01:54:11.000 Well, he seems smaller than he used to be.

01:54:13.000 I was just going to say, yeah, he's definitely a lot leaner than he used to be.

01:54:17.000 Is this it here?

01:54:18.000 What part of the fight do you want me to get to?

01:54:20.000 They have these little things.

01:54:20.000 Just the knockout itself, the finish.

01:54:22.000 The Dustin Ortiz finish against Mateus Nicola, was it?

01:54:26.000 This is a chick fight, dude.

01:54:28.000 You don't know what you're doing.

01:54:30.000 You son of a bitch.

01:54:34.000 That kid, Matias though, Nicolo, he trained, he came through the gym through a couple of my Brazilian students, Saul and Rodrigo.

01:54:42.000 Here it is.

01:54:43.000 This kid's tough, man.

01:54:45.000 So Dustin, that was an impressive win, you know?

01:54:47.000 Yeah, I mean, they're literally our...

01:54:50.000 See how it kind of delayed?

01:54:51.000 Do you see that?

01:54:52.000 Yeah, try to play that back again.

01:54:53.000 He changes speed in the kick.

01:54:55.000 I noticed that in the replay when we were calling him.

01:54:57.000 I was like, look at this, how he does this.

01:55:00.000 Let's see here.

01:55:01.000 Yeah.

01:55:01.000 It's right here.

01:55:02.000 Watch the speed change.

01:55:04.000 You see it?

01:55:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:05.000 In the beginning.

01:55:05.000 That's what made it difficult to read.

01:55:07.000 It also came up at a weird angle.

01:55:08.000 Yeah, it did.

01:55:09.000 Yep.

01:55:10.000 It came up like at a 45 degree angle.

01:55:12.000 Yeah.

01:55:13.000 It won't let go.

01:55:14.000 Nope.

01:55:15.000 Did he bonus for this fight?

01:55:17.000 I don't know.

01:55:18.000 I do not like bonuses.

01:55:20.000 I do not like win bonuses.

01:55:22.000 I don't like them.

01:55:23.000 I don't think win bonuses.

01:55:24.000 Why is that?

01:55:24.000 Because I don't think you should be paid more to win.

01:55:27.000 Everyone's trying to win.

01:55:28.000 I don't think you should lose because a fucking judge who has no idea what they're talking about.

01:55:33.000 Look, he blocked that fairly decent.

01:55:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:35.000 He had the glove up.

01:55:36.000 And still got KO'd.

01:55:37.000 Right through.

01:55:38.000 Or just got rocked.

01:55:39.000 I don't think, especially since they haven't dealt well at all with the judging issue.

01:55:46.000 I mean, they really have done a terrible job with judging.

01:55:48.000 Yeah.

01:55:48.000 These state commissions.

01:55:50.000 Yeah.

01:55:50.000 There's so much bad judging.

01:55:51.000 I agree.

01:55:52.000 So if you have three people, I think the system sucks.

01:55:55.000 I think the judging system itself, the 10-point must system, is outdated.

01:55:58.000 It's not right for MMA. It's great for boxing.

01:56:01.000 It's not good for MMA. Yeah.

01:56:02.000 I think it needs to be revamped and restructured, and I think it should be a completely different system.

01:56:07.000 Yeah.

01:56:07.000 And then I think on top of that the judges are incompetent.

01:56:09.000 There's so much incompetence.

01:56:11.000 I was just gonna say it's incompetence is what it really is.

01:56:13.000 You have those factors and then you have win bonuses.

01:56:16.000 So you have bad decisions all the time and then with these bad decisions you give a win bonus to the wrong person and the wrong person gets fucked over.

01:56:25.000 You know, and the swing is half the pay.

01:56:27.000 Yeah, and at their level, the pay scale, it's just like they're already making fucking peanuts.

01:56:32.000 Yeah, and if you're not making peanuts, it costs you more.

01:56:34.000 It costs you $100,000.

01:56:36.000 It costs you even more than that.

01:56:38.000 If you make $150,000 and $150,000, and then you should have won a fight and you lost, you lost $150,000 because those three people are incompetent.

01:56:45.000 That's right, exactly.

01:56:45.000 Because they did a fucking eight-hour course on a Saturday.

01:56:48.000 Never fucking put a glove on.

01:56:49.000 And they don't care.

01:56:50.000 This is the thing.

01:56:51.000 They're not fans.

01:56:52.000 They just do that because that's their job.

01:56:54.000 And it's a cool job.

01:56:56.000 To tell their boys it's a cool job.

01:56:57.000 There are some judges that do know what they're doing.

01:56:59.000 Yeah, there's a small handful of them.

01:57:01.000 And they have to helicopter them in.

01:57:05.000 Pretty much.

01:57:06.000 It's a crazy system.

01:57:07.000 The system badly needs to be updated.

01:57:10.000 I don't understand why they haven't.

01:57:12.000 It just doesn't make any sense to me.

01:57:14.000 I'm with you, homie.

01:57:15.000 But I don't like the win bonus thing, man.

01:57:17.000 I just think you should get paid.

01:57:19.000 It should be a flat rate like it is in boxing.

01:57:23.000 I don't think it incentivizes people to fight harder.

01:57:25.000 I don't believe that.

01:57:26.000 I think the winners are always going to try to win.

01:57:30.000 Like I said about fighting, don't fight technical.

01:57:35.000 You go out there and you let it all hang out.

01:57:38.000 Don't do that.

01:57:39.000 You're going to have a nice short career if you do that.

01:57:42.000 And that's what happens to those guys.

01:57:44.000 It does, yeah.

01:57:44.000 It's good for the business.

01:57:45.000 It's good for the company.

01:57:47.000 It's good for that night, the views, the way the people are watching.

01:57:51.000 It'll be a little bit more entertaining.

01:57:53.000 But you're not going to make it.

01:57:55.000 You're going to leave half your brain in that octagon.

01:57:58.000 That's another thing, too, man.

01:57:59.000 We talk about that all the time, too, is seeing these guys take trauma the way they do, man.

01:58:04.000 It's hard to watch, man.

01:58:06.000 We've spoke about this briefly in the past, but as much as a fan as I am and as involved as I am in the sport, man, it's hard to watch sometimes, man, seeing these guys take the damage they do.

01:58:18.000 I think I told you a story before.

01:58:20.000 Marcus Davis, after his fight, coincidentally enough, I believe with Chris Lytle, he lost his sense of smell for like seven months.

01:58:27.000 He couldn't he couldn't smell I remember I told you about this but you know he couldn't smell like anything which means you can't taste so like he would he'd be like bro I'd smell like shit and like people have to tell me like bro you fucking stink and then he'd be like I put on too much clone be like bro easy on the cologne like he had no clue like you know he couldn't taste like lemonade tastes like fucking fruit punch he had no fucking clue he had no sense of smell or taste for seven months imagine that easy came back Thank God it did, yeah.

01:58:53.000 But he even said, I was like, would you miss the most?

01:58:55.000 And he's like, the smell of my daughter's hair.

01:58:57.000 And I was like, whoa.

01:58:59.000 That's fucking trippy, dude.

01:59:00.000 And he kept fighting after that.

01:59:02.000 I was like, check, please.

01:59:02.000 I'm all set.

01:59:03.000 And he kept fighting.

01:59:04.000 Dude, that was, I don't want to say early in his career, but maybe halfway through.

01:59:09.000 Well, he, again, came from that school of hard knocks in Boston with the hard sparring.

01:59:14.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:59:14.000 Yep.

01:59:15.000 Hard sparring, you know, hard training.

01:59:17.000 That's what I was saying about Jeremy Stevens earlier, to bring it all back around.

01:59:22.000 Jeremy Spar's hard.

01:59:23.000 You know, I was talking to Jocko about it.

01:59:25.000 It's like, you know, Jeremy's an animal.

01:59:27.000 Yeah.

01:59:27.000 I remember discussing that with Lorenzo back in the day.

01:59:30.000 He went to Brazil when they were doing the Aldo pieces and whatnot.

01:59:34.000 He went to noven down he said man these fucking guys kill each other in the gym.

01:59:38.000 Yeah, he's like this It's like literally like they're a hundred percent headhunting trying to kill each other I don't agree with that at all.

01:59:46.000 No, obviously not good horrible And there's so many guys that get really badly rocked on their way to fights.

01:59:53.000 Yeah.

01:59:53.000 Oh, yeah and then all the time if you like sometimes like if a guy takes a big punch like and he gets a flash ko like and in the in the gym like If we gotta pull him from a fight because he's affected at that point.

02:00:07.000 There's residual there.

02:00:09.000 It's still lingering.

02:00:10.000 No way around it.

02:00:11.000 No way around it, man.

02:00:12.000 I even had a student of mine, my guy Tommy.

02:00:17.000 He got into a car accident a week before his fight.

02:00:21.000 And this kid's got a granite chin and he got caught.

02:00:24.000 And we attribute it to the impact of the car crash.

02:00:26.000 We said it had to have been like you suffered some head trauma because he hit his head in the car crash.

02:00:30.000 And he was susceptible.

02:00:32.000 He was vulnerable to the KO because of the trauma that he took.

02:00:35.000 You're taking big punches in the gym like that and then you go on on fight night, it's that much easier for you to get lights out.

02:00:40.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:00:41.000 But it's so hard to make a tough elite fighter without subjecting them to real...

02:00:48.000 Well, you see like Robbie Lala, like he's talked about, he doesn't spar anymore.

02:00:51.000 Well, he didn't for a long time.

02:00:52.000 He didn't for a long time.

02:00:53.000 And then he did when he went to ATT. Okay.

02:00:55.000 But for a long time he didn't.

02:00:57.000 Yeah.

02:00:57.000 Like all through his strike force career he didn't spar.

02:01:00.000 Which seems crazy.

02:01:01.000 He's like, I already know how to fight.

02:01:03.000 Okay, I'm not going to argue with you.

02:01:05.000 Yeah, I was just going to say, that boy can't fight.

02:01:07.000 You can't argue with that.

02:01:07.000 He definitely knows how to fight.

02:01:08.000 He can fucking fight that guy.

02:01:09.000 He's had a lot of tough fights.

02:01:11.000 That's why I was so impressive what Rafael dos Anjos did to him.

02:01:14.000 I was like, dos Anjos just sort of dismantled him.

02:01:17.000 I didn't see that coming.

02:01:18.000 And then Colby Covington dismantled Dos Anjos.

02:01:21.000 I was like, what in the hell?

02:01:23.000 He took him apart.

02:01:24.000 Dude, gas tank for days.

02:01:28.000 Relentless fucking pressure.

02:01:30.000 I got tired watching the fucking fight.

02:01:32.000 I was gassed in the truck like...

02:01:34.000 Meanwhile, Dos Anjos is known for his cardio.

02:01:37.000 He's one of Nick Curzon's pupils.

02:01:39.000 So he's like, you know, trains in that Marv Marinovich style.

02:01:42.000 I honestly, like, around the second round, I was like, there's no way he can keep this pace up.

02:01:47.000 He's gotta fade.

02:01:48.000 And he never fucking faded.

02:01:50.000 He never faded.

02:01:50.000 Did you see him hand the belt to Donald Trump?

02:01:53.000 I was looking at it on the way here.

02:01:55.000 I was looking at it.

02:01:56.000 I was like, that's crazy.

02:01:57.000 It said something like on MMA Junkie, like he comes through with his, as stated, he comes through.

02:02:02.000 He said he's going to bring the belt to the White House.

02:02:04.000 He's got fucking Donald Trump with a strap over his shoulder.

02:02:07.000 It's so funny, man.

02:02:09.000 He's a madman.

02:02:10.000 He's got the MAGA hat on, big smile on his face.

02:02:11.000 He's got the red hat on.

02:02:13.000 Dude, he's fucking sold it, man.

02:02:16.000 He has, man.

02:02:17.000 And you've got to remember, early in Colby's career, he wasn't like that.

02:02:20.000 Yeah.

02:02:21.000 He wasn't like that.

02:02:21.000 He just figured it out.

02:02:22.000 Where did he come from?

02:02:23.000 I know he's at ATT. Oregon.

02:02:25.000 But where was he training before ATT? That's a good question.

02:02:27.000 I do not know.

02:02:29.000 Because he kind of, I don't want to say came out of nowhere, like he earned his way in, but he really like, it was like, there is this sick fucking bastard.

02:02:36.000 I love it.

02:02:37.000 It's so funny that a red hat with white letters can get you punched now.

02:02:41.000 I mean, it could say anything.

02:02:43.000 This girl had a hat on that said, Make Bitcoin Great Again, and they fucking pepper spray her in the face.

02:02:48.000 What's that hat say on Kobe?

02:02:49.000 What's the hat say?

02:02:49.000 Make America Great Again.

02:02:50.000 Make America Great Again, right, yeah.

02:02:51.000 Yeah, but a red hat with white letters is racist now.

02:02:54.000 Unbelievable.

02:02:55.000 That might as well be a Nazi flag to some people.

02:02:57.000 Dude, this, this...

02:02:59.000 Flags have gone so crazy.

02:03:00.000 It is crazy right now, dude.

02:03:02.000 It's such a topsy-turvy world we're living in.

02:03:03.000 Burning flags and shit.

02:03:05.000 It's ridiculous.

02:03:05.000 Well, listen, brother, we've got to get out of here.

02:03:07.000 Yeah, we've got to go to the weigh-ins, man.

02:03:08.000 We've got to get to the weigh-ins.

02:03:08.000 It's at 3 o'clock today, right?

02:03:10.000 I believe so.

02:03:11.000 I think 3 o'clock at Dorfium.

02:03:12.000 Yeah, and it's probably a three-hour drive.

02:03:13.000 Delegrate, karate.

02:03:15.000 Sit your tongue in Boston.

02:03:17.000 Tell people how they can get to your gym.

02:03:19.000 Look me up, man.

02:03:20.000 Literally one of the very best Muay Thai gyms and MMA gyms on the planet Earth.

02:03:25.000 And it's in Somerville.

02:03:27.000 Spell it.

02:03:28.000 S-I-T-Y-O-D-T-O-N-G. Sit Yod Tong.

02:03:33.000 Yes.

02:03:33.000 And it's in Boston, Massachusetts.

02:03:37.000 Awesome.

02:03:37.000 Don't sleep.

02:03:39.000 Mark Delagrate.

02:03:40.000 Love you, buddy.

02:03:40.000 Love you, bro.

02:03:41.000 Thank you for having me.

02:03:42.000 Absolutely.

02:03:42.000 Let's do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 24, 2010

JRE MMA Show #37 with Mark DellaGrotte

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