The Joe Rogan Experience - September 06, 2018


JRE MMA Show #40 with Eddie Bravo

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In this episode, the brother and sister duo of the sit down and talk about how they got their son into martial arts and how they plan to get him into the martial arts game. They also talk about what it takes to get a kid into the world of martial arts, and how you can get them into a martial arts movie and why it s a good idea to have them watch a Bruce Lee movie before they are old enough to be introduced to martial arts and how to get them to believe in the martial artist of their dreams the Master of the Nunchucks, Bruce Lee or as they call him, The Master of The Nunchuck . Also, they talk about the best way to get your kids into the sport of baseball, and why you should get your kid into baseball, too. If you like the episode, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and tell us what you thought of it! Thank you so much for listening, we really appreciate it. XOXO, John Rocha & Cheers, John and Matt - The Cheers. - John & Matt. Timestamps: 3:00 - What do you think of Bruce Lee? 4:30 - Who is the greatest martial artist you ve ever seen? 5:15 - What would you like to see as a martial artist? 6:20 - How do you feel about Bruce Lee in a movie? 7: What is your favorite martial arts film? 8: Who is your kid s favorite martial art? 9:00 11:40 - What does your kid believe in? 12:00- What does he think of the most? 13:30- What are you most important to you? 14:40- What is a martial art movie you would you would like to get into? 15:15- What do they think of a movie that you would get into next? 16:10 - How would you get into the most of your kid? 17:20- What kind of movie do you want to see me to do more of? 18: What movie would you be most excited about? 19:50 - What movie should I get him to watch for his first time seeing Bruce Lee s first movie or his first martial arts training? 21:00, 22:30,

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00:00:00.000 Ready?
00:00:01.000 Um...
00:00:02.000 Let's do it.
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00:00:07.000 Boom! 0.99
00:00:08.000 And we're live.
00:00:08.000 You were just telling me...
00:00:09.000 You were just telling me how your son is getting into Bruce Lee.
00:00:12.000 Because we were looking at this, uh...
00:00:14.000 Shout out to, how do you pronounce his name correctly?
00:00:17.000 Bruce Lee.
00:00:19.000 No, Plasticelle. 0.97
00:00:20.000 Plasticelle, dude. 1.00
00:00:21.000 I don't know which of the two actually made it, but yeah, Plasticelle, I believe is the name. 0.95
00:00:25.000 But, I mean, how do you pronounce the artist's name?
00:00:27.000 I think Fong. 1.00
00:00:29.000 Fong Tran, I think is his name. 0.88
00:00:30.000 Shout out to Phong. 1.00
00:00:31.000 This thing is the shit. 1.00
00:00:32.000 His art is amazing. 1.00
00:00:33.000 These little plastic cell things.
00:00:35.000 Look at this Rory McDonald.
00:00:36.000 How great is that?
00:00:37.000 The whole lineup's amazing.
00:00:39.000 Biggie, sunglasses come off.
00:00:41.000 Legends.
00:00:41.000 Nothing but legends.
00:00:43.000 How old's your son now?
00:00:46.000 He's six now.
00:00:49.000 You hear these stories constantly about people remembering the first time they saw a Bruce Lee movie.
00:00:57.000 It's so epic.
00:00:58.000 I'll never forget.
00:00:59.000 My dad took me to the theater, blew my mind.
00:01:02.000 Everyone's got a story.
00:01:03.000 Joey's got his first time he saw Bruce Lee.
00:01:06.000 So I wanted to make sure I didn't do that too early because then he would forget.
00:01:10.000 You know, because he forgets special-ass moments we had together from like three years ago.
00:01:14.000 I'm like, you don't remember that?
00:01:16.000 Because he's only five, right?
00:01:18.000 He's six.
00:01:19.000 He's six.
00:01:20.000 Imagine how quick your brain is growing in that amount of years. 1.00
00:01:22.000 He forgot a lot of shit. 0.99
00:01:24.000 But anyways, so I thought maybe I'm going to sit him down and put on Enter the Dragon. 1.00
00:01:32.000 And blow his fucking mind. 0.97
00:01:34.000 But I don't want to do a tour. 0.99
00:01:36.000 When do I do it?
00:01:36.000 I'm thinking maybe I could even wait until he's 10 or 8 or whatever.
00:01:40.000 But he's been doing karate since he was 3. So about 3 years now he's been doing karate.
00:01:45.000 And he took a nunchuck workshop class.
00:01:48.000 So he's got his little padded nunchucks. 1.00
00:01:51.000 He fucking loves those things, man. 1.00
00:01:52.000 And I thought, shit, he's getting into the nunchucks. 1.00
00:01:55.000 It might be time to drop Bruce Lee on his ass right now. 1.00
00:02:00.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:02:01.000 I don't want him to get twisted.
00:02:02.000 You know what I mean? 0.97
00:02:03.000 Because he starts talking about Jackie Chan and shit like that. 0.93
00:02:06.000 And I'm like, oh. 0.98
00:02:08.000 Has he seen anybody do it on video or only learn it from a class?
00:02:11.000 This is what happened.
00:02:11.000 So he's all into nunchucks.
00:02:14.000 He's beating me up with them all the time.
00:02:15.000 He loves nunchucks.
00:02:16.000 And I said, oh, then I wore one of those Roots of Fights shirts.
00:02:20.000 And it was Bruce Lee with nunchucks, right?
00:02:23.000 And he looked at my shirt and he said, Daddy, who's the guy with the nunchucks?
00:02:29.000 And I thought, okay, it's time.
00:02:32.000 It's time.
00:02:34.000 Son, sit down.
00:02:36.000 So, you know, kids are so easily brainwashed.
00:02:41.000 I can get my kid into Satanism.
00:02:43.000 You ever seen this little kid?
00:02:44.000 Yeah, yeah, he's amazing.
00:02:45.000 He's amazing.
00:02:46.000 He's got the Bruce Lee outfit on and everything, the jumpsuit.
00:02:49.000 This kid's a beast.
00:02:50.000 He's amazing.
00:02:51.000 And he's got the Game of Death sequence down.
00:02:54.000 It says, the video is my son, in parentheses, five-year-old acting Bruce Lee's nunchucka scene.
00:03:02.000 Yeah.
00:03:03.000 Yeah, he reenacts the whole thing, note for note. 0.81
00:03:06.000 I think he was on, like, America's Got Talent or some shit, too. 0.83
00:03:09.000 So, I sat him down and I explained to him, I go, the master of the nunchucks, the number one guy. 0.89
00:03:17.000 Like I was saying earlier, you could get kids to believe in anything.
00:03:21.000 I could get my son into Satan easily.
00:03:25.000 He'd be all about Lucifer.
00:03:27.000 Boom.
00:03:27.000 I got him into the browns quick.
00:03:29.000 Yeah, little kids.
00:03:30.000 Very malleable.
00:03:31.000 Totally.
00:03:33.000 He's so into the Dodgers because his grandpa is into the Dodgers.
00:03:37.000 So he's all about the Dodgers.
00:03:38.000 And I got him into the Browns.
00:03:40.000 He's all into the Browns now too because I could get him into anything.
00:03:43.000 So I sat him down and I said, I'm going to sit you down and I'm going to show you the master of the nunchucks and it's Bruce Lee.
00:03:51.000 He's number one.
00:03:54.000 He's the greatest martial artist of all time.
00:03:59.000 I broke him and I sat him down and I put him in front of the TV. Dude, you should have filmed this.
00:04:05.000 I did.
00:04:06.000 You filmed the whole thing?
00:04:07.000 You filmed Usain it to him?
00:04:08.000 No, I didn't film that, but I filmed him watching Bruce Lee.
00:04:15.000 First, I showed him the greatest nunchuck scenes of all time with Bruce Lee. 1.00
00:04:19.000 You can go to YouTube and there's compilations.
00:04:22.000 They put together the one from...
00:04:24.000 The stuff in End of the Dragon, the stuff in Chinese Connection, Way of the Dragon, or Return of the Dragon. 0.99
00:04:32.000 And so I sat him down and go, I'm gonna blitz him with this shit. 0.99
00:04:35.000 I'm gonna make sure that whenever he thinks about fucking nunchucks, he knows that Bruce Lee's the master, right? 0.99
00:04:41.000 So he's just completely blown away. 0.96
00:04:43.000 Then, after I showed him all the nunchuck scenes, I sat him down and I wanted to show him the greatest fight scene of all time. 0.99
00:04:49.000 Bruce Lee versus Chuck fucking Norris. 0.96
00:04:52.000 Come on, man. 0.99
00:04:53.000 So I just wanted to leave that just in his DNA. And I filmed that.
00:04:57.000 I filmed him watching Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee.
00:05:00.000 And he always wants to know...
00:05:03.000 He loves Bruce Lee.
00:05:06.000 Instantly, and he needs to know who wins the fight.
00:05:09.000 So, it's like, Daddy, does Bruce Lee win?
00:05:11.000 I go, he always wins, son, he always wins.
00:05:14.000 But my natural reaction, because he's constantly asking questions, he's constantly, does he win?
00:05:19.000 My natural reaction would be just watch, watch, you gotta watch this.
00:05:22.000 Because it's gonna be sweeter if you watch it, and you go through the ups and downs.
00:05:25.000 And he goes, no, Daddy, you need to tell me now.
00:05:28.000 And I go, no, you're gonna like it more if you just watch it.
00:05:31.000 No, Daddy, does Bruce Lee win? 0.99
00:05:33.000 He wants to fucking know. 0.99
00:05:35.000 Yeah, man. 0.98
00:05:36.000 You don't want to be disappointed.
00:05:37.000 Yeah.
00:05:38.000 Six years old?
00:05:39.000 Yeah, he got completely blown away.
00:05:41.000 So a week later, a week later, I go, today, you're going to watch the greatest martial arts movie of all time.
00:05:48.000 Enter the Dragon, because it's Bruce Lee, Dad, isn't it?
00:05:51.000 I go, yes, it's Bruce Lee.
00:05:54.000 So we sat him down. 0.99
00:05:56.000 And he can't stop asking fucking questions about every guy. 0.99
00:06:02.000 Okay, Daddy, who are the good guys? 0.99
00:06:03.000 And who are the bad guys?
00:06:04.000 Is he a bad guy or is he a good guy?
00:06:06.000 So we got it down.
00:06:07.000 The three main good guys.
00:06:08.000 Bruce Lee is the main good guy.
00:06:11.000 Williams was... 0.62
00:06:13.000 Goddammit, his name escapes me. 0.99
00:06:16.000 The black famous martial artist.
00:06:18.000 Jim Kelly.
00:06:19.000 Jim Kelly.
00:06:20.000 Wow, I forgot about Jim Kelly.
00:06:22.000 Yeah, Jim Kelly's awesome. 0.99
00:06:23.000 And he did die in the movie, which, I mean, they were doing that shit back then, you know what I mean? 0.99
00:06:28.000 They were killing good guys. 0.99
00:06:29.000 And then Roper, John Saxon, he was the third good guy.
00:06:33.000 That's right, John Saxon.
00:06:33.000 Yeah, it was Roper, Williams, and Bruce Lee.
00:06:36.000 And they were all, they were the good guys.
00:06:38.000 And the bad guys, do you remember the bad guys' names?
00:06:40.000 No.
00:06:41.000 Han was the dude on the top left.
00:06:44.000 He's the...
00:06:44.000 He's the guy with the claws.
00:06:46.000 Former Shaolin monk who went bad. 1.00
00:06:49.000 And started selling heroin on this island and prostitution rings and all that shit. 0.99
00:06:56.000 Dude, I completely forgot the plot of this movie. 0.98
00:06:58.000 Are you kidding me?
00:06:59.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:06:59.000 It's the greatest fucking plot ever. 0.99
00:07:00.000 Well, I remember watching it, but it's, you know, I didn't take it seriously. 0.98
00:07:05.000 I always thought it was fun. 0.93
00:07:06.000 I always looked at it not like, holy shit, we're going to see this wild action movie. 0.73
00:07:11.000 I always thought of it as, because by the time I watched it, it was kind of campy. 0.69
00:07:14.000 I'm sure I watched it when I was a little kid, but I don't remember it too much.
00:07:17.000 Yeah, you've got to go back and watch it.
00:07:19.000 That's most people's common reaction.
00:07:22.000 You remember the scene with Han with the razor hand.
00:07:26.000 He had a razor hand.
00:07:28.000 He had a claw hand.
00:07:29.000 You remember Bolo Young and they're fighting outside in the tournament. 1.00
00:07:33.000 You remember all that shit. 0.99
00:07:35.000 You remember Williams getting killed, they hung him. 1.00
00:07:40.000 You remember Williams fighting Han.
00:07:43.000 There's certain scenes everyone will remember, and you forget about the little scenes in the plot.
00:07:48.000 So I sit down with my son, and we're watching this, and his mom's like, it's appropriate for a six-year-old, right?
00:07:56.000 It's not going to get too crazy.
00:07:57.000 I go, it's fine.
00:07:58.000 It's just a bunch of karate.
00:08:00.000 It's fine.
00:08:01.000 So she's all like, hmm. 1.00
00:08:03.000 So, we're sitting there, and he can't stop asking goddamn questions. 1.00
00:08:08.000 He can't stop asking goddamn questions. 0.99
00:08:10.000 The bad guys are Hans the main guy, O'Hara, Bob Wall, remember him? 0.99
00:08:14.000 Everybody remembers he had the scar on his face.
00:08:16.000 And everyone remembers that he was, him and his gang were chasing Bruce Lee's sister in the movie, and they cornered her, and she had to kill herself. 0.92
00:08:28.000 She just killed herself before they could rape her or whatever. 1.00
00:08:30.000 People remember that. 0.99
00:08:32.000 That's another classic scene. 0.99
00:08:33.000 But you don't think about all the shit in between, man. 1.00
00:08:38.000 Because the plot of the story is Han lives on an island and he does a lot of illegal shit. 0.99
00:08:45.000 He runs heroin and prostitution through his island, right? 0.97
00:08:50.000 And he has a tournament once a year and he invites all the greatest martial artists on earth and he tries to recruit them.
00:09:00.000 He sits them all down and he shows them his underground operation going on.
00:09:06.000 You know what I mean?
00:09:06.000 So he tried to talk Roper into it.
00:09:08.000 He tried to talk Williams into it.
00:09:10.000 And Roper almost went for it because he was a good guy, but he was like a gambler.
00:09:15.000 You know what I mean?
00:09:16.000 He's kind of shady. 1.00
00:09:17.000 But at the end, he's like, fuck this. 1.00
00:09:19.000 I ain't going to do this shit. 1.00
00:09:20.000 So that's what he does. 1.00
00:09:20.000 And he called him Bruce Lee, too. 1.00
00:09:23.000 And he was going to try to recruit Bruce Lee.
00:09:25.000 But the CIA... Got ahold of Bruce Lee first.
00:09:31.000 Yes.
00:09:34.000 Seriously.
00:09:35.000 So they get ahold of Bruce Lee and they sit him down in a dark room and they're playing a projector and they're showing, you know, they want Bruce Lee to go in there undercover to uncover all the...
00:09:46.000 Karate fights.
00:09:49.000 The crime and all the stuff that was going on.
00:09:51.000 What else are they doing?
00:09:51.000 Selling drugs?
00:09:52.000 Yeah.
00:09:52.000 Yes, drugs and prostitution.
00:09:55.000 And doing mind control on...
00:09:58.000 So I'm sitting there watching it.
00:10:00.000 He wants to know who the bad guys are.
00:10:01.000 Bolo's a bad guy.
00:10:03.000 O'Hara, who's Bob Wall's a bad guy.
00:10:04.000 And then Han's the main bad guy.
00:10:06.000 So he's constantly asking questions.
00:10:08.000 And then, boom, you forget about the scenes where... 0.97
00:10:13.000 Han has like a madam, and he's got all these hookers. 1.00
00:10:16.000 There's a hooker scene. 1.00
00:10:17.000 You forget about the hooker scene.
00:10:18.000 They send like five girls to Williams, who's a good guy, and Roper to try to corrupt them, you know what I mean?
00:10:24.000 And boom, as soon as they're all in their gowns and in robes, and Williams is like in a rope, and I grab the remote and just start hitting fast-forward, and my son's like, wait, what's going on here?
00:10:34.000 What's going on here, Dad?
00:10:35.000 Why are you fast-forward?
00:10:37.000 Nothing's going on.
00:10:37.000 What are they doing?
00:10:39.000 They're getting ready to go to sleep.
00:10:40.000 Just forget about that scene.
00:10:42.000 Boom! 0.99
00:10:42.000 You forget that there's a... 0.99
00:10:44.000 Is this the scene?
00:10:46.000 There it is right there. 0.67
00:10:48.000 And there's titties and everything.
00:10:53.000 Yeah, he was blown away and mission accomplished.
00:10:58.000 He's Bruce Lee's number one to him.
00:11:02.000 But I made a mistake.
00:11:04.000 Next week, I made him sit down and watch Return of the Dragon, which the end scene was a great scene with Chuck Norris and the old Rome Coliseum, but the whole movie before that is so bad.
00:11:17.000 It's so bad.
00:11:20.000 And Bruce Lee, he directed it and wrote it, and it's atrocious.
00:11:27.000 It's...
00:11:30.000 Except for the...
00:11:31.000 Fight scene.
00:11:32.000 Yeah, except for the end, but it's like high school kids put together that movie. 1.00
00:11:36.000 Damn. 1.00
00:11:36.000 It's terrible. 1.00
00:11:37.000 I gotta have to go back and watch it.
00:11:38.000 Terrible.
00:11:38.000 You know what we should do?
00:11:39.000 We should do a fight companion.
00:11:43.000 And watch End of the Dragon? 0.97
00:11:45.000 That would be fucking great, dude. 0.99
00:11:46.000 Are you kidding? 0.99
00:11:47.000 Come on, man.
00:11:48.000 A fight companion and watch End of the Dragon.
00:11:50.000 Look at this scene.
00:11:50.000 It takes place in Italy.
00:11:53.000 I think his uncle or just somebody he knows has a Chinese restaurant in Italy.
00:12:02.000 And the Italian mob, these guys, these are the goons, they're trying to run them out of business and control their business or pay them off to take the building or something.
00:12:13.000 And they're resisting in Italy.
00:12:15.000 So they send Bruce Lee from Hong Kong to handle the mob in Italy.
00:12:22.000 Dude, this looks so corny.
00:12:23.000 It's... 0.99
00:12:24.000 Fucking bad, dude! 0.96
00:12:26.000 So what do you think happened? 0.99
00:12:27.000 Do you think Bruce Lee was just partying too much, doing a little blow, having a good time out in the town, being a big Hollywood star, puts together this movie, and he just got a little crazy with it?
00:12:35.000 You know what?
00:12:36.000 This is before he blew up, though.
00:12:38.000 This is because he did this movie.
00:12:40.000 He did Big Boss, Chinese Connection, and this one was his third one.
00:12:44.000 And then after this is when Warner Brothers came in and signed him.
00:12:48.000 That's when they did Enter the Dragon.
00:12:49.000 That was his last one.
00:12:50.000 Enter the Dragon had a budget.
00:12:53.000 This doesn't have really any budget.
00:12:54.000 This is just cheap Chinese production.
00:12:58.000 It's crazy when you think that there was really no one like him before him.
00:13:02.000 Look, there's Chuck Norris waiting.
00:13:07.000 You know when you when you think about there was no kind of movies like this before this this fight scene greatest fight scene worst movie How about the grab of the chest hair pulls a chunk of it out? 0.99
00:13:19.000 Yeah, oh shit. 0.99
00:13:21.000 I got your chest hair bitch I mean, it's funny watching it with no volume, too, because it's so corny. 1.00
00:13:29.000 It looks so fake. 0.99
00:13:29.000 And it's all overdubbed, and it's god-awful. 0.99
00:13:33.000 But dude, his martial arts technique, especially when you think about the fact that this was, what, 1974?
00:13:40.000 That was like 71. 71?
00:13:43.000 It was probably released in 76, but he died in 73. He had incredible technique.
00:13:48.000 Like, really good technique.
00:13:49.000 Like, his kicking technique, especially for back then... 0.50
00:13:53.000 Yeah, I think because of the YouTube and shit there's there's so many guys out there that they're doing like These jump spinning 360 wheel kicks. 0.96
00:14:03.000 There was some guy that Winkle John Jackson had on his The Instagram page and it's a Korean gentleman doing some fucking ridiculous shit just like Jumping 360 degree wheel kicks and a series of cartwheels flying through the air and doing all these things. 1.00
00:14:25.000 None of this was ever in the movies before.
00:14:28.000 Until when?
00:14:29.000 Maybe Jet Li, I guess?
00:14:31.000 No, Ong Bak, right?
00:14:33.000 Because they're They're a next level in terms of like athleticism.
00:14:36.000 I mean, there's that crouching tiger, hidden dragon.
00:14:38.000 I mean, that's mystical.
00:14:40.000 Yeah, that's mystical.
00:14:41.000 This guy's actually doing this.
00:14:43.000 This is just a video of him.
00:14:44.000 He starts out normal, throws like a bunch of front kicks, throws a bunch of side kicks, and then he starts doing jumping wheel kicks, 360 wheel kicks, tornado kicks. 0.58
00:14:53.000 He's just fucking flying through the air and flipping through the air. 0.70
00:14:55.000 Aerial cartwheel kicks. 0.99
00:14:57.000 You're like, whoa! 0.99
00:14:59.000 People can do shit now, and they do stuff in martial arts films. 0.99
00:15:04.000 The technique's just way better. 0.98
00:15:06.000 They're just way better.
00:15:07.000 They just got better at it.
00:15:08.000 Can you put that fight scene back up with Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris?
00:15:11.000 See if you can find that video first while you're looking for it.
00:15:14.000 The one thing about Bruce Lee...
00:15:16.000 With all the pads and he flies up?
00:15:17.000 No, no.
00:15:18.000 It's just a guy throwing kicks in the air.
00:15:20.000 He's just throwing kicks in the air.
00:15:21.000 It's on...
00:15:25.000 Yeah, it's Jackson Winklejohn's Instagram page.
00:15:28.000 Oh, this guy's doing it in MMA? No, no, he's doing it in the air.
00:15:31.000 Just doing it in the air.
00:15:32.000 Which of their pages should I... Is he planning to use it in MMA, you think?
00:15:36.000 The top one, Jackson Wink MMA. That one.
00:15:38.000 Check that one out.
00:15:39.000 There's a Korean dude, if you keep going down. 1.00
00:15:41.000 I don't know if he's planning on using it in MMA. Where the fuck is it? 0.98
00:15:47.000 God damn it. 1.00
00:15:50.000 I didn't see anything. 0.99
00:15:51.000 Hmm.
00:15:54.000 Maybe they were commenting on it? 1.00
00:15:55.000 Fuck! 1.00
00:15:56.000 Somebody had it up. 1.00
00:15:58.000 Sorry.
00:15:59.000 Anyway.
00:15:59.000 But with Bruce Lee fight scenes, what I like about him is you could see him, although him beating up 50 guys at a time, how real can that be?
00:16:12.000 But he does, on one-on-one fights, he does a lot of feinting.
00:16:16.000 He'll do boxing stuff.
00:16:17.000 He'll do wrestling.
00:16:18.000 He'll do jujitsu.
00:16:20.000 You see him mix it up, and he's trying to make it...
00:16:24.000 A lot more realistic.
00:16:25.000 Then you have your classic kung fu theater type movies where they just...
00:16:30.000 Right. 1.00
00:16:36.000 Like, that shit just gets old. 1.00
00:16:38.000 Those movies are so crazy. 1.00
00:16:40.000 Bruce Lee will dance around, he'll throw a jab, fade, kick you in the leg, fake low, go high and knock you out.
00:16:46.000 He does that against Chuck Norris in Way of the Dragon.
00:16:51.000 And if you go back to 1970, that kind of martial art technique, I mean, he was...
00:16:57.000 He was amazing.
00:16:58.000 He was also the first guy that figured out how to put a bunch of martial arts together.
00:17:03.000 And just forget about, I'm judo, you're karate.
00:17:05.000 Forget about that.
00:17:06.000 Just use everything that works.
00:17:09.000 Everything from everywhere.
00:17:10.000 That was heresy back then.
00:17:13.000 I mean, he might have been the first guy to do that, really.
00:17:19.000 One up, for sure.
00:17:20.000 One up, for sure.
00:17:21.000 He's, without a doubt, I think there's two, arguably two of the most important figures ever in martial arts.
00:17:29.000 I think he might be number one, and the other one is Elio Gracie.
00:17:35.000 You really think about it?
00:17:36.000 This one guy tries to figure out how to beat men who are bigger than him, has a bunch of kids. 1.00
00:17:42.000 They all turn out to be fucking savage killers. 0.99
00:17:44.000 I mean, what are the odds? 1.00
00:17:46.000 That's the craziest family of all time. 0.95
00:17:48.000 Craziest family of all time. 0.96
00:17:50.000 And if you think about the impact...
00:17:52.000 But in a crazy in a good way.
00:17:53.000 Crazy in a good way.
00:17:53.000 In the best way possible, with 100% respect.
00:17:56.000 I mean, Hickson, Hoyce, Hoyler, Helson. 0.99
00:18:00.000 You know, what the fuck, man? 0.99
00:18:01.000 And there was different sides. 1.00
00:18:02.000 And even the Gracies had, you know, conflict within each other. 0.75
00:18:07.000 It's crazy.
00:18:09.000 Assassins! 0.98
00:18:09.000 A family of super-assassins. 0.98
00:18:12.000 And then Hoyce, who's another, I mean, it's almost like Hoyce, although it came from Elio, he's almost as important.
00:18:20.000 If he doesn't win that first Ultimate Fighting Championship, we don't get the same impact.
00:18:26.000 He has to win.
00:18:27.000 Imagine if he would have lost the first fight.
00:18:30.000 What if he got head kicked?
00:18:31.000 You know, what if he got in there with some guy who's done this before, and he gets head kicked? 0.99
00:18:34.000 Patrick Smith could've fucked him up. 1.00
00:18:35.000 Fuck yeah, he could've. 1.00
00:18:36.000 That could've fucked him up. 1.00
00:18:37.000 That could've been, if the lineups were different, that could've happened. 0.87
00:18:40.000 Dude, are you kidding?
00:18:41.000 The Hoist Gracie movie, and it ends after UFC, it ends, Patrick Smith, that's the perfect ending right there.
00:18:48.000 Did he ever, he fought Patrick Smith.
00:18:51.000 Didn't Hoist fight Patrick Smith?
00:18:53.000 Yeah, he choked him out.
00:18:53.000 He choked him out.
00:18:54.000 He choked him or he armbarred him?
00:18:55.000 Was it the second time they were in the UFC together?
00:18:58.000 No.
00:18:58.000 It was UFC 2. Hoist was on one side of the bracket.
00:19:03.000 Pat Smith was on the other side. 0.98
00:19:06.000 Black, killer Muay Thai guy. 1.00
00:19:10.000 What he did to Scott Morris. 0.99
00:19:13.000 The ninja guy.
00:19:14.000 Yeah.
00:19:14.000 Oh, dude, man, that's a movie.
00:19:17.000 That's a movie right there. 0.99
00:19:19.000 UFC 2 is a goddamn movie. 0.99
00:19:22.000 Well, Patrick Smith was a real, legit, top-level kickboxer. 0.99
00:19:26.000 Like, he was a real dangerous kickboxer.
00:19:28.000 You watch his striking.
00:19:29.000 I mean, that guy was explosive, super powerful, and ruthless, man. 1.00
00:19:34.000 When he got on top of that dude and was elbowing him into oblivion, that shit was ruthless. 0.98
00:19:38.000 Back when they didn't know exactly when to stop a fight. 0.99
00:19:41.000 They weren't sure.
00:19:41.000 Yeah, they just let it go.
00:19:42.000 Big John was like, the guy's still alive.
00:19:46.000 Yeah, but the point is that Hoist did win.
00:19:50.000 He didn't get kicked.
00:19:51.000 He took the guys down, choked them all out, and all of us were like, what?
00:19:55.000 And then it's almost, if you go to martial arts, you look at the whole history of martial arts, and then you hit 1993 and it goes like this.
00:20:03.000 Yeah.
00:20:04.000 It's like...
00:20:05.000 It would be the craziest rise in the stock market you could ever see.
00:20:08.000 You'd have to investigate. 0.99
00:20:09.000 You'd have to be like, what the fuck happened here? 0.98
00:20:11.000 Such an explosion. 0.97
00:20:12.000 And it was UFC 2. UFC 1, no one really watched.
00:20:15.000 They didn't have any B-roll.
00:20:16.000 I remember seeing a preview for it, and I would watch...
00:20:19.000 All boxing events, no matter what.
00:20:21.000 I was a boxing fanatic.
00:20:23.000 I didn't miss any of those big fights ever.
00:20:25.000 Even the small Tuesday night fights.
00:20:26.000 I recorded that on my VCR. Always taped boxing events.
00:20:31.000 Never missed them.
00:20:31.000 But I didn't watch that.
00:20:33.000 I go, you know what?
00:20:33.000 I thought it looks like it might be fake.
00:20:36.000 I thought it may be like a Fight Zone.
00:20:38.000 Remember Fight Zone?
00:20:40.000 A little WWE, but trying to make it look more martial arts oriented.
00:20:47.000 So I didn't watch it. 0.99
00:20:49.000 You end up hearing, shit, that was real. 1.00
00:20:52.000 And I'll never forget, my roommate came home from Guitar Center and he said, man, that UFC thing, that UFC challenge, that shit's for real, man. 1.00
00:21:01.000 I go, really? 0.99
00:21:02.000 And I was doing karate at the time.
00:21:04.000 And I go, was there a karate guy in there?
00:21:06.000 He goes, yeah, but he got beat by some, I think he was Iranian, man.
00:21:11.000 He was just choking everybody out.
00:21:13.000 He would just, I go, he was choking everybody out?
00:21:15.000 What do you mean he would just grab their throat?
00:21:16.000 He goes, dude, yeah. 1.00
00:21:17.000 He would just grab their fucking throat, some Iranian guy, and he would choke, he choked everybody out. 1.00
00:21:22.000 That's what the guy told me at Guitar Center. 1.00
00:21:23.000 I'm like, holy shit, karate too? 0.99
00:21:26.000 I'm like, fuck, maybe I'm doing the wrong style. 0.96
00:21:29.000 And then the UFC 2 came out, and I remember I told my same roommate, he was staying home, it was on the weekend, and I was going out on the town, and I remember calling him and saying, hey dude, that UFC 2, that UFC challenge thing is on tape, 0.97
00:21:45.000 because he was going to stay home with his girlfriend. 0.98
00:21:47.000 He taped it, I got home, watched that motherfucker on tape. 1.00
00:21:51.000 I... I couldn't stand Hoist Gracie that first half of the show. 1.00
00:21:55.000 I just wanted him to lose so bad.
00:21:57.000 When he fought Minoki Ichihara, he was a karate guy.
00:22:00.000 To me, that was my hero.
00:22:01.000 I mean, I was doing karate for six months, man.
00:22:03.000 You know what I mean?
00:22:04.000 I was all about karate.
00:22:05.000 I didn't want Hoist to beat him.
00:22:07.000 But by the time we got to the finals, I was a gigantic Hoist fan.
00:22:11.000 I go, you know what?
00:22:12.000 I gotta learn this jujitsu.
00:22:14.000 And I just quit karate and found the Machados in the valley.
00:22:19.000 It is really crazy when you think about what would have happened if that didn't take place.
00:22:24.000 Like, what would have happened if Horian never put together the first Ultimate Fighter, right?
00:22:31.000 It was partly his idea and Art Davies.
00:22:33.000 Yeah.
00:22:34.000 What would have happened if that didn't happen?
00:22:36.000 Where would martial arts be?
00:22:38.000 Would it be inevitable?
00:22:39.000 Would somebody figure it out?
00:22:40.000 Would Japan have figured it out? 0.98
00:22:42.000 We would have figured it out eventually because...
00:22:43.000 Maybe.
00:22:44.000 Yeah, because the jiu-jitsu would have eventually grew out of Brazil.
00:22:47.000 There's no way you could have stopped.
00:22:49.000 But the way it grew...
00:22:50.000 Yeah, that was a huge explosion, but it would have got out eventually.
00:22:54.000 But maybe, for sure, not with the same impact.
00:22:58.000 Yeah, but see, like forever...
00:23:01.000 Wrestlers were like, when you think about MMA, right now, wrestling's a giant skill, right?
00:23:08.000 A Mark Coleman type wrestler, a big powerful wrestler could take you down and beat you up from the top, that's giant.
00:23:13.000 That was always the case, but we didn't think of that.
00:23:16.000 Like when you thought of like boxing versus wrestling or karate versus wrestling, nobody thought like wrestlers have a giant advantage.
00:23:23.000 Nobody thought that. 0.99
00:23:24.000 You would think, oh, the karate guy would probably fuck him up. 0.99
00:23:26.000 I'd catch him with a karate chop, knee him on the way in or something like that. 0.99
00:23:29.000 I wrestled.
00:23:30.000 I never thought wrestling was a martial art at all.
00:23:32.000 To me, it was one-on-one football.
00:23:34.000 Right.
00:23:34.000 I'd never looked at it.
00:23:35.000 And I would use it to cheat in fights because I'd get in a fight in high school. 0.99
00:23:40.000 I would double leg him, dude, and just fucking get twist or side control and punch him in the stomach. 0.99
00:23:45.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:23:46.000 But I figured I was cheating, but I didn't care.
00:23:49.000 I mean, it is not a martial art in that it has finishing holds of its own.
00:23:54.000 Because most of it is just taking people down and holding them down and getting back up.
00:23:58.000 But if you can master that, that is like one of the most important aspects of martial arts.
00:24:04.000 I mean, and we never thought about it that way.
00:24:07.000 It took forever.
00:24:08.000 It's almost like it took the UFC to show that.
00:24:11.000 It took the UFC to show that over and over again.
00:24:13.000 And I really worry, or wonder rather, what would have happened if the UFC in 93 had never been invented? 0.98
00:24:20.000 Because if there was never any kind of a tournament like that that threw all these fighters together in a real organized way, and you got real top-level guys from each discipline eventually making their way into the UFC, what the fuck, man?
00:24:32.000 Martial arts would be still back in the 1980s.
00:24:35.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:24:36.000 We'd have some idea what worked, and some idea what, you know, don't try this, but not like we know now.
00:24:42.000 In Japan, they were doing pancreas.
00:24:45.000 Right.
00:24:45.000 And they were doing, like, shoot-ups.
00:24:45.000 What year did they start doing pancreas?
00:24:47.000 I think they were doing it At, you know, early 90s.
00:24:53.000 So like the Boss Routin, Frank Shamrock, Ken Shamrock days, Matt Hume was in it back then.
00:24:59.000 What years were those?
00:25:00.000 Yeah, that's hard.
00:25:02.000 When was Pancrase 1 first aired?
00:25:05.000 Founded in 93. Founded in what month does it say?
00:25:10.000 93. Damn, because that was the first UFC too. 0.99
00:25:12.000 November of 93 was the first UFC. So it all basically happened around the same time. 0.99
00:25:17.000 So maybe, I mean, is it possible that in November of 93 they see the UFC and then immediately Pancre starts like a few weeks later and it's still 93?
00:25:26.000 It was established on May 16th, 1993 and their first event was promoted on September 21st.
00:25:33.000 I don't know.
00:25:34.000 So that was before.
00:25:35.000 And then in September.
00:25:36.000 And what was the UFC in 93?
00:25:38.000 November.
00:25:38.000 November.
00:25:39.000 Crazy.
00:25:40.000 Interesting.
00:25:41.000 So right before the UFC. So neither one of them had been on air when they both started.
00:25:46.000 Or they were both putting it together.
00:25:48.000 It was at the same time.
00:25:49.000 So maybe the idea was in the air.
00:25:51.000 Maybe it was in the air, bro.
00:25:53.000 Do you believe in that?
00:25:54.000 The idea's just out there in the air.
00:25:56.000 That is pretty crazy.
00:25:57.000 But the fighters in Pancrase, they...
00:26:05.000 Didn't have the jiu-jitsu that the Brazilians had.
00:26:07.000 No.
00:26:08.000 There was a big difference.
00:26:09.000 There was a lot of leg locks going on back then.
00:26:11.000 Remember?
00:26:11.000 Yeah.
00:26:12.000 Was that Ken Shamrock's influence?
00:26:14.000 Or was that...
00:26:15.000 There was a lot of Japan catch wrestling influence, right?
00:26:19.000 From Carl Gotch and...
00:26:20.000 Yeah, Japan's always been in the leg locks. 1.00
00:26:23.000 Billy Robinson.
00:26:24.000 They've always been like the Sakuraba style.
00:26:26.000 That's very catch oriented, right?
00:26:28.000 Yes.
00:26:29.000 For those who don't know what we're talking about, catch as catch can.
00:26:33.000 But make no mistake about it, the ground fighting was just on another level.
00:26:38.000 You could say whatever the hell you want, but when you watch Alan Goze fighting Pancrase against Frank Shamrock, Man, you see the difference in jiu-jitsu back then.
00:26:47.000 That was a big, big difference.
00:26:49.000 Alan Goes was all over Frank Shamrock. 1.00
00:26:52.000 Frank Shamrock's a bad motherfucker. 1.00
00:26:54.000 You know what I mean? 1.00
00:26:54.000 He'd only been training for a couple of years, which is crazy. 1.00
00:26:58.000 He was fighting against guys like Bas Rutten when he had been training for a couple of years.
00:27:03.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:27:04.000 Do you remember how jacked they were?
00:27:06.000 Like, Jesus.
00:27:07.000 Any time a Brazilian would go against your average pancreas guy, there's a clear difference in the ground fighting. 0.92
00:27:17.000 Clear difference.
00:27:19.000 They had three pancreas events before that first UFC. Really?
00:27:23.000 Wow.
00:27:23.000 Ken Shamrock was in all four events.
00:27:25.000 What was that?
00:27:27.000 And what would you say at all?
00:27:28.000 Ken Shamrock was in all of them.
00:27:30.000 Interesting.
00:27:31.000 Yeah, so look at that.
00:27:35.000 Bam.
00:27:36.000 It says that the pancreas thing came out of a wrestling organization in Japan where they were having problems with predetermined outcomes.
00:27:45.000 Oh, so they decided to have actual fights.
00:27:48.000 Funaki.
00:27:49.000 Interesting.
00:27:49.000 Yeah, and then you look at Hickson versus Funaki.
00:27:51.000 Ooh, Coliseum. 0.98
00:27:53.000 Big fucking difference in grappling. 0.99
00:27:54.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:27:55.000 Big difference.
00:27:56.000 That's as big as it gets.
00:27:57.000 Yeah, so you could see that.
00:27:59.000 So what...
00:28:01.000 The UFC did that Pancrase didn't do and mainly because nobody In the Western Hemisphere even knew what the fuck it was it was a Japanese thing so it's gonna be hard to change the world when you're You know only televised in Japan and back then you know you had to get like someone someone had to mail you a VHS tape You know what I mean you had to go to weird Japanese stores and see that so but the UFC made it clear 0.86
00:28:31.000 that the Brazilians We're doing a form of ground fighting that was beyond and more sophisticated than what we're seeing in Japan or anywhere else in the world. 0.88
00:28:44.000 Nobody knew half the shit they were doing. 0.99
00:28:47.000 Sambo had it down. 1.00
00:28:49.000 Sambo had some good shit. 1.00
00:28:50.000 And Judo, yes. 1.00
00:28:52.000 Judo, most, if not all...
00:28:56.000 Brazilian jiu-jitsu moves, I mean have been done in judo and they're actually they came from judo.
00:29:01.000 We know that the Japanese know that But a lot of American judo guys don't they can't they can't seem to grasp that because they're like, you know the Gracie's ripped off and new waza It's all about new waza. 0.91
00:29:14.000 We you know, there was a you know a sect of Judo where they did focus on the ground but and that's all true, but the major difference is The Brazilians, they wanted to do a style where there wasn't a time limit on the ground.
00:29:31.000 In judo, you could only fight on the ground for, I don't know, 30 seconds.
00:29:35.000 It's limited.
00:29:35.000 It's not that much time.
00:29:37.000 So when you don't have that much time, there's a lot of shit you don't need to waste your time drilling. 0.97
00:29:44.000 Because you're only going to be down there for 30 seconds. 0.98
00:29:47.000 You need to focus on the moves that work in 30 seconds.
00:29:49.000 And that's it. 0.98
00:29:50.000 You don't have time to set shit up and be patient and relax. 0.98
00:29:54.000 You can't clench and catch your breath. 0.98
00:29:57.000 You gotta go into it.
00:29:59.000 So what the Brazilians did is just allowed the fight to unfold on the ground and not have any stand-ups and just let them fight on the ground.
00:30:07.000 And when that happens, there's a lot...
00:30:11.000 There's so much more you can do when there's no time limit on the ground.
00:30:15.000 Not like no time limit.
00:30:16.000 I mean, you know, they're not going to, without stand-ups where you could just, most of the matches takes place on the ground.
00:30:23.000 The game just evolves so quickly and so rapidly and that you can't compare.
00:30:30.000 Like, Japanese guys come down to Brazil and they've been doing judo their whole life and they get smoked. 0.98
00:30:52.000 We're good to go.
00:30:58.000 You've got to think about it. 0.97
00:30:59.000 You've got to really break it down because it's ridiculous. 0.99
00:31:02.000 It's silly. 0.96
00:31:02.000 There's so many silly connections that people have to arts. 0.96
00:31:06.000 I mean, there's people that legitimately think that white people shouldn't be able to teach karate because it's cultural appropriation because it's a Japanese art. 1.00
00:31:15.000 There's people that think that's stupid. 0.98
00:31:17.000 I think all of it's martial arts now. 0.97
00:31:20.000 I mean, I think the roots and the bases are very important to recognize that, you know, hey, Brazil did do a crazy thing with jiu-jitsu.
00:31:27.000 Hey, the Thais did do a crazy thing with leg kicks and elbows and knees. 0.99
00:31:32.000 There's really some people that have contributed to martial arts in this really insane way.
00:31:37.000 The people that highlight those disciplines like the elite of the elites like the bull cows and the Sanchez and the Marcelo Garcia's and the Jacare's like all these people that highlight it on in each art They're all like super super important, but overall It all comes into one thing and that's that's martial arts.
00:31:55.000 I think martial arts.
00:31:57.000 It's really at this point It's really I mean, ultimately it's one thing now.
00:32:06.000 Ultimately, when you think about UFC, when you think about just Bruce Lee movies, what is it?
00:32:13.000 What's the best way to fight?
00:32:14.000 It's all together now.
00:32:16.000 It's all combined.
00:32:17.000 Because the best way is not just wrestling.
00:32:20.000 It's wrestling with ferocious striking.
00:32:22.000 It's wrestling with leg kick defense. 1.00
00:32:25.000 It's wrestling with submission holds.
00:32:27.000 It's all these different things.
00:32:29.000 You have to have all these things.
00:32:30.000 You can't just be one thing anymore.
00:32:32.000 It's interesting to be from one discipline, but if your kid is coming up right now, and he's like your son's age, and he starts to learn martial arts techniques, I think by the time he gets to be our age, it's just going to be martial arts.
00:32:46.000 People are just going to be taking martial arts.
00:32:48.000 I don't think there's going to be as many specialists in the future, and I think that's probably a shame.
00:32:54.000 But who's going to want, from a guy who did Taekwondo his whole life, who's going to want to do that now?
00:32:59.000 Yeah, but when you talk about jiu-jitsu, most people that do jiu-jitsu are not doing it, or they don't stay in it for the long haul and make it a lifestyle for the self-defense aspects.
00:33:15.000 Right.
00:33:15.000 They don't.
00:33:16.000 They go in there because they're playing a video game and they're staying in shape.
00:33:19.000 Right.
00:33:19.000 They're playing a game of death, virtual reality video game, trying to get taps, trying to get...
00:33:28.000 Most of my students, they're just super nice, sweetheart, computer geeks, just the nicest guys.
00:33:39.000 They're in there just to play.
00:33:41.000 Yeah.
00:33:42.000 Well, there's a big difference between... 0.50
00:33:44.000 We've talked about this before, but the big difference between guys who train together with jiu-jitsu versus guys who train together with kickboxing is the kickboxing people, they fucking hurt each other all the time. 0.90
00:33:54.000 Like, bad. 0.96
00:33:55.000 They're beating each other up. 1.00
00:33:56.000 They're kicking each other and punching each other and shit. 1.00
00:33:59.000 Jiu-jitsu guys tap each other out and they're like, oh, I'm going to get you back, bitch. 1.00
00:34:02.000 But it's okay. 0.99
00:34:03.000 Everybody's okay.
00:34:04.000 And you're going 100%.
00:34:04.000 You got me, you got me.
00:34:05.000 That's the beauty of it.
00:34:06.000 We get to...
00:34:07.000 The reason why jiu-jitsu is...
00:34:11.000 I mean, opening up a jiu-jitsu school in society today is one of the safest bets out there.
00:34:19.000 It gets so addicting.
00:34:21.000 You can't download jiu-jitsu.
00:34:22.000 You can't pirate jiu-jitsu.
00:34:25.000 Sparring, rather.
00:34:27.000 You can't you have to go to a place and you have to go to a place where there's a bunch of different and the more people there are the better The more variety of roles you can get because you don't want to just roll with the same guy all the time You want to mix it up mix your style with that guy's style Go with a new guy who doesn't know your secret moves and you go you like going with new dudes where your your Setups work because the guys that you've been rolling with for a while They smell out all your setups and now you got to come up with new setups and then you got to figure out a different way around this problem It's just It's just too much fun,
00:34:57.000 man.
00:34:57.000 It's so addicting and it has nothing to do with...
00:35:01.000 I wouldn't say nothing, but you do enjoy the self-defense aspects.
00:35:09.000 If anything went down, it makes you feel better in certain situations.
00:35:13.000 You're not...
00:35:16.000 As worried about things as you might be.
00:35:19.000 If you didn't know martial arts, you know the one thing that I'm gonna start doing once I'm totally healed again is I'm gonna start kickboxing.
00:35:27.000 Yeah?
00:35:28.000 Yeah, because I just see too many Instagram videos. 0.98
00:35:31.000 Of dudes getting fucking lit up. 0.96
00:35:33.000 I'm like, you know what? 0.99
00:35:35.000 It's a good idea.
00:35:36.000 Once a week.
00:35:37.000 I'm not going to make a big deal out of it.
00:35:38.000 Maybe once a week.
00:35:40.000 Tops.
00:35:41.000 Once a week.
00:35:42.000 Just to go in there and just...
00:35:44.000 Did you see that video I put up on Instagram today?
00:35:46.000 No.
00:35:46.000 From Drakka.
00:35:48.000 I think it's Drakka underscore junior is the Instagram account.
00:35:52.000 It's a crazy Russian account.
00:35:54.000 And it's two-on-one Russian fighting.
00:35:56.000 A giant dude and two normal-sized guys.
00:35:59.000 What?
00:35:59.000 Yeah, look at this.
00:36:02.000 Give me some volume, Jamie.
00:36:06.000 This is crazy. 0.99
00:36:07.000 Both these guys look like they're about 160, and the other guy looks like he's about 300 fucking pounds. 0.99
00:36:12.000 Look at this. 0.98
00:36:15.000 Look how he's ragdolling these dudes. 1.00
00:36:16.000 Oh, shit! 1.00
00:36:18.000 Those knees. 1.00
00:36:18.000 Fuck. 1.00
00:36:19.000 This guy's giant, man. 1.00
00:36:21.000 He's so much bigger than these two dudes.
00:36:23.000 Oh, look at this. 0.81
00:36:24.000 He's a beast. 1.00
00:36:25.000 Holy shit. 1.00
00:36:26.000 He's got good cardio, too, for a giant fucking dude. 1.00
00:36:28.000 This is the white Kimbo. 1.00
00:36:30.000 Yeah.
00:36:30.000 Look, he's good leg kick checking.
00:36:33.000 He's got technique.
00:36:34.000 He's not just a giant dude.
00:36:39.000 They're not faking it, right?
00:36:40.000 No, man. 0.98
00:36:41.000 They're beating the fuck out of each other. 1.00
00:36:43.000 Look, he's hitting this fucking guy hard. 1.00
00:36:46.000 Oh! 1.00
00:36:48.000 Wheel kick.
00:36:52.000 This is crazy.
00:36:53.000 I mean, this is not a smart thing for the little dudes.
00:36:56.000 Because the problem is they don't have the horsepower.
00:36:59.000 They're not going to be able to take them out.
00:37:00.000 Too many videos on Instagram where dudes are getting lit up.
00:37:03.000 You've got to have the ability to knock somebody out if you had to.
00:37:08.000 And not do jiu-jitsu.
00:37:09.000 There's many situations where in a real life altercation, getting on the ground is not the best idea.
00:37:17.000 And being able to light someone up.
00:37:19.000 Or like three dudes.
00:37:20.000 No way you're going to be three dudes with jiu-jitsu.
00:37:22.000 And it happens.
00:37:23.000 You see it on videos.
00:37:24.000 It's like a myth.
00:37:24.000 It's like a mythical thing.
00:37:25.000 You can't beat multiple attackers. 1.00
00:37:27.000 Yes, you fucking can. 1.00
00:37:28.000 Like, you could with your striking. 1.00
00:37:30.000 If there was three dudes and they were starting shit, you're like, okay, I'm gonna knock this motherfucker out first, and then hopefully one dude will start running, and then I'll fucking clean up the second guy, you know, or whatever. 0.99
00:37:39.000 But to have your level of striking... 0.99
00:37:43.000 Is important.
00:37:44.000 It's important.
00:37:44.000 You know what's important?
00:37:45.000 It's important if you think that someone might be hitting you. 0.99
00:37:48.000 Like if you think someone, this motherfucker looks like he's gonna swing on me. 0.99
00:37:51.000 Like I got a feeling like he's gonna swing on me. 1.00
00:37:53.000 Yeah.
00:37:54.000 There's that moment when you're in a heightened sense of danger.
00:37:58.000 If you don't understand space, That's a real big thing.
00:38:02.000 One of the things about sparring that's really important is that you know when you're safe and when you're not safe.
00:38:08.000 A lot of people don't know.
00:38:10.000 They don't know when they can hit someone, when someone can hit them.
00:38:13.000 If you think someone's going to hit you and you can't get some space between them, you have to be ready.
00:38:20.000 And you have to understand, you have to have someone have swung on you before. 0.95
00:38:24.000 So as you're seeing shit coming, you got to be able to, oh, his back leg is going, okay, I see his weight dipping, oh, the right hand's coming! 0.95
00:38:31.000 You have to know certain patterns, otherwise you lock up. 0.99
00:38:36.000 That's the scariest thing you ever see in a fight.
00:38:38.000 This dude's like, things start swinging and they just lock up because they don't know where it's coming from.
00:38:43.000 They don't know what's happening.
00:38:44.000 That's the most dangerous.
00:38:46.000 It's Almost more important for defense than it is for anything.
00:38:49.000 Because half the time if you were ever in a fight with someone and they start just swinging at you, if you have good defense, you just stand there with your hands up and you wait.
00:38:58.000 You just wait.
00:38:58.000 Let them swing.
00:38:59.000 Let them swing.
00:39:00.000 Keep moving.
00:39:00.000 You wait.
00:39:01.000 You wait.
00:39:02.000 How long are you going to be able to do this?
00:39:03.000 What do you got, 30 seconds in you?
00:39:05.000 Yeah.
00:39:05.000 How long you got?
00:39:06.000 You just wait.
00:39:07.000 You just wait.
00:39:08.000 And then all of a sudden you see a little of this, and you're like, oh!
00:39:11.000 Oh! 0.60
00:39:13.000 Oh, now you're tired.
00:39:14.000 You don't really know how to fight. 0.70
00:39:16.000 You just wanted to hit me.
00:39:18.000 Well, now we're going to fight, and now you're tired.
00:39:20.000 Someone didn't do a sprint.
00:39:21.000 Well, not just that.
00:39:22.000 You don't know what to do.
00:39:23.000 You lock up, and you're like...
00:39:27.000 People think that they can do that to people.
00:39:28.000 People that don't know how to fight blow their load.
00:39:31.000 They just blow their wad.
00:39:32.000 If a guy like Joe Schilling is in a street fight, that would be the most terrifying thing in the world. 1.00
00:39:39.000 If you don't know and you fuck up. 0.99
00:39:40.000 He got in some crazy street fight after one of his kickboxing fights recently in some other country. 1.00
00:39:46.000 But a guy like that, first of all, he can fuck you up before you can fuck him up. 0.99
00:39:51.000 But second of all, if he decides to just take his time with you, you're going to get into this place of doom. 1.00
00:39:58.000 This place of doom where you're exhausted and you've been trying to hurt him.
00:40:01.000 So he has everything within his right to crush you.
00:40:04.000 And you know that.
00:40:05.000 And now you're tired.
00:40:06.000 Yeah, but...
00:40:10.000 The one thing that you notice in all these fight videos and scuffles on Instagram is that... 0.95
00:40:17.000 A lot of times, it just seems like you got time to throw a couple punches and you gotta get the fuck out. 0.78
00:40:25.000 Especially when it's multiple attackers. 0.90
00:40:28.000 You gotta figure out which dude you're gonna hit first.
00:40:30.000 There's gonna be another one.
00:40:32.000 And usually that third guy runs. 1.00
00:40:34.000 It looks like he's like, oh shit, he's out. 1.00
00:40:36.000 But if he stays, damn, it's one-on-one now. 1.00
00:40:39.000 You just knocked two dudes out. 0.99
00:40:40.000 Now it's one-on-one.
00:40:42.000 And if you got Joe Schilling type skills, boom, that's where it all comes in right now.
00:40:46.000 It's almost better to just have wrestling and boxing in a street fight.
00:40:51.000 You don't really want to catch somebody.
00:40:52.000 That's what Bruce Lee was preaching. 0.99
00:40:54.000 After all the shit, after everything, all the kung fu he grew up with, he got to the States and he realized, holy shit, this Wing Chun isn't working on these tall white boys. 0.99
00:41:05.000 Think about a fight in a street, close quarters. 1.00
00:41:09.000 I mean, maybe you'd be able to throw a kick.
00:41:11.000 He said in 1959, he said, a dude who's been wrestling and boxing for one year can beat a lifelong martial artist.
00:41:21.000 It's true.
00:41:22.000 Yeah, it's true in a lot of ways if the guy doesn't know takedown defense and the guy doesn't know how to actually box dude I remember when I first started doing first started learning boxing and kickboxing from all my years of doing Taekwondo and I threw punches in Taekwondo, but I had a crazy distorted perception of My ability with my hands like I thought I'd be able I know how to strike I just knew how to do Taekwondo.
00:41:48.000 I was good at that.
00:41:49.000 And when I started kickboxing, I was getting lit up, especially when you're in a ring.
00:41:53.000 You can't go anywhere.
00:41:54.000 You're trapped in this ring.
00:41:55.000 Does Taekwondo have a reverse punch?
00:41:57.000 Yeah, it's got reverse punch.
00:41:59.000 It's got all these...
00:42:00.000 It's got hand techniques, but when you fight in tournaments, everything is below the neck for punches.
00:42:07.000 So everything is below here.
00:42:09.000 It's just the body for punches.
00:42:12.000 And you can kick to the head and you can kick to the body and you can't kick to the legs.
00:42:14.000 So all it does is make you really good at kicking.
00:42:17.000 That's what it really does. 0.99
00:42:18.000 But the distance is all fucked up. 0.99
00:42:21.000 And then I realized that once I started doing kickboxing, oh my distance is so fucked up because when I think I'm safe, I still get punched in the face, and if they crowd me, they get punched in the face and I can't kick them. 0.98
00:42:33.000 Like, my distance is all messed up. 0.94
00:42:34.000 And then it's also way easier to punch me than I thought it was.
00:42:37.000 So I had to learn! 0.99
00:42:39.000 And in learning, it was fucking super humbling, man. 0.99
00:42:42.000 Super humbling. 0.98
00:42:43.000 Because I went from being someone who I considered myself like an elite striker.
00:42:47.000 Like, I was on a national level for Taekwondo.
00:42:49.000 I fought in a lot of national tournaments.
00:42:51.000 I fought like A bunch of guys were really good, and I hung in there with them.
00:42:56.000 I thought I was really good. 0.53
00:42:57.000 Just regular kickboxers were beating the fuck out of me. 1.00
00:43:00.000 Just beating my ass, dude. 1.00
00:43:02.000 Just getting me in the corner, jabbing me, hooking off the jab, right hand. 1.00
00:43:06.000 I'm like, oh no, this is terrible.
00:43:08.000 Isn't it weird? 0.99
00:43:10.000 For sure, Taekwondo's got the best spinning kicks and all that shit. 0.96
00:43:14.000 Yeah, it's got some really good kicks. 0.92
00:43:15.000 The sidekick is the best kick.
00:43:18.000 For sure.
00:43:19.000 The best version of the sidekicks, the Taekwondo sidekick.
00:43:21.000 Isn't it weird that the heads of the Taekwondo Association, whatever it's called... 0.98
00:43:29.000 They can't admit that their hands suck. 0.98
00:43:32.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:43:33.000 They can't admit it.
00:43:35.000 You would think that the heads would say, you know what? 1.00
00:43:37.000 Shit. 1.00
00:43:38.000 Maybe we should add Western boxing to this shit. 1.00
00:43:41.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:43:42.000 Some of them do, I'm sure.
00:43:43.000 Some of them do.
00:43:44.000 The heads don't.
00:43:45.000 You would think it's so traditional.
00:43:47.000 They won't change it.
00:43:48.000 It's crystal clear.
00:43:50.000 It's crystal clear.
00:43:51.000 Yeah.
00:43:52.000 The best hands are Western boxing hands.
00:43:55.000 It's crystal clear.
00:43:56.000 The world knows this, but at the top, even in the karate associations or kung fu associations, they won't alter the style, right?
00:44:07.000 Right.
00:44:07.000 Well, you know, one thing that is interesting is karate at least emphasizes the idea of punching things without gloves on.
00:44:14.000 Because there is a difference.
00:44:15.000 There's a pretty big difference between punching things with gloves on and without gloves on.
00:44:19.000 And one of the things that karate figured out a long time ago is you've got to condition your knuckles.
00:44:23.000 Condition your hands and condition your knuckles. 0.97
00:44:25.000 They never had that even, I mean, I guess maybe some people had it in Taekwondo, but it was never anything in my organization, where they had like a makawara, which is like a, if you don't know what we're talking about, there's a board with rope wrapped around it, just hard rope, and they just fucking smack! 0.81
00:44:40.000 Punched that rope until their knuckles became like...
00:44:43.000 Calloused?
00:44:43.000 My friend John Lee, who I told you about, he was the guy that I saw kick the bag for the first time and bend it in half.
00:44:49.000 Yeah.
00:44:49.000 National Taekwondo champion.
00:44:51.000 He was a monster. 0.72
00:44:52.000 He had one hand where he only had one knuckle. 0.99
00:44:55.000 His first two knuckles were just one.
00:44:57.000 It was one giant knot.
00:44:59.000 It wasn't like my hand looks like with two distinct knuckles.
00:45:03.000 It was just a boulder.
00:45:05.000 What did he do?
00:45:06.000 All from punching bricks.
00:45:07.000 He would just break bricks with his knuckles. 1.00
00:45:10.000 And it works, so that shit works! 1.00
00:45:11.000 Oh yeah! 1.00
00:45:12.000 You get mad, mad arthritis when you get older.
00:45:15.000 Oh really? 1.00
00:45:16.000 Oh shit! 1.00
00:45:17.000 It is so not good to just beat on a joint until it calluses up like that. 1.00
00:45:22.000 Forget that.
00:45:23.000 That's what I heard.
00:45:24.000 Maybe that's a maybe that's a fake rumor too, but a lot of those guys that that did that they would practice on Macawarras and on bricks and just constantly be punching bricks and yeah, so John had Hands where he could look legitimately punch someone very hard and not worry about it with a bare knuckle whereas a lot of A lot of people,
00:45:44.000 man, your hand is way weak.
00:45:46.000 Think about what your hand is.
00:45:47.000 Move your hand around like this.
00:45:49.000 Think about all these little parts.
00:45:50.000 This is the worst thing you want to hit somebody with.
00:45:52.000 That's why this elbows are so much better.
00:45:55.000 Elbows are so much better.
00:45:57.000 Your palm's even better.
00:45:58.000 This is crazy.
00:46:00.000 This thing articulates and it moves.
00:46:02.000 This is for piano.
00:46:03.000 It's not for Hulk smash.
00:46:05.000 You know?
00:46:05.000 Look at this.
00:46:06.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:46:08.000 Thoughts of Makiwara. 1.00
00:46:09.000 Is that a guy's arthritis from using the Makiwara?
00:46:12.000 There was a style.
00:46:13.000 He has knuckles.
00:46:14.000 Jesus Christ.
00:46:15.000 Oh my God.
00:46:15.000 Oh my God.
00:46:16.000 Nice.
00:46:17.000 There was a style that did address weaknesses in a bunch of styles.
00:46:23.000 Do you remember?
00:46:26.000 I forget who formed it, but he formed a style that had the best of what he thought of five systems.
00:46:32.000 Kaju Kimbo.
00:46:32.000 Remember that?
00:46:34.000 Hmm.
00:46:34.000 Ka Ju Kembo.
00:46:35.000 Who put that together?
00:46:36.000 Ka is karate.
00:46:38.000 Ju, maybe jujitsu or judo.
00:46:41.000 Ka Ju Kembo. 0.88
00:46:42.000 And then Kempo Karate.
00:46:44.000 Is that Bart Vale?
00:46:45.000 And Bo, no.
00:46:46.000 And Bo for boxing.
00:46:47.000 So it was boxing, karate, judo, and Kempo Karate.
00:46:53.000 Do you remember Bart Vale?
00:46:54.000 Yeah.
00:46:55.000 Dude, Bart Vale was another guy who was like a pioneer of MMA that people seem to have forgot about.
00:47:00.000 Kaju Kembo.
00:47:01.000 I can't believe I just remembered him.
00:47:02.000 Oh, look at that.
00:47:02.000 Oh, you know what?
00:47:03.000 A little bit of Wing Chun, a little bit of sidekicking.
00:47:07.000 Yeah.
00:47:08.000 Google Bart Vale.
00:47:10.000 He was one of the early guys, man. 0.77
00:47:12.000 I fucking completely forgot about him. 0.95
00:47:17.000 He was a big giant dude, too. 0.99
00:47:20.000 He was a shoot fighter. 0.98
00:47:21.000 Yeah, he fought, that's right, he fought fucking Cam Shamrock in Pancrace. 0.99
00:47:26.000 Look at this. 0.99
00:47:26.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:47:27.000 And this was before the UFC too.
00:47:29.000 Yeah.
00:47:30.000 These guys used to...
00:47:32.000 They had...
00:47:34.000 The open slap was interesting too, right?
00:47:36.000 They weren't allowed to punch each other, but they were allowed to open slap.
00:47:40.000 Like, how weird is that?
00:47:43.000 So strange watching these old, old fights. 0.97
00:47:46.000 Look how big fucking Bart Veil is compared to Cam Shamrock. 0.99
00:47:49.000 He was a big fucking dude, man. 0.99
00:47:53.000 He always had American flag shorts on, right? 0.99
00:47:56.000 The one thing we failed to mention that we should bring up is whether or not Horian Gracie or Art Davey were influenced by Pancreas or not, like what came out first a few months later. 0.97
00:48:11.000 In Brazil, they were doing that shit since like the 20s and 30s and 40s, right? 0.83
00:48:17.000 So really, it probably all started in Brazil if you break it down like that. 0.99
00:48:22.000 I mean, Helio Gracie was fighting, what, in the 40s or the 50s or something?
00:48:26.000 Yeah.
00:48:26.000 You know, Carlson Gracie took over like in the 60s.
00:48:29.000 It was huge in Brazil.
00:48:31.000 So not only is Brazil responsible for the level of grappling in the world today, it's for sure the Brazilians got to have all the credit for that. 1.00
00:48:44.000 For sure.
00:48:45.000 Come on, man.
00:48:45.000 Yeah, I mean, what year was the...
00:48:47.000 But also MMA. They were doing Vale Tudo.
00:48:50.000 Vale Tudo is old school. 0.99
00:48:52.000 The Brazilians, for some reason, I don't know what it was, but they figured out a lot of good shit. 0.98
00:48:59.000 Right, that Hicks and Gracie match when he was 18 against Zulu. 0.99
00:49:02.000 They figured out acai.
00:49:03.000 Are you kidding me?
00:49:04.000 You go to Ubatuba right there on Ventura?
00:49:06.000 You ever go there?
00:49:07.000 No.
00:49:08.000 That's the kind of... 0.99
00:49:09.000 Because all these little pussy-ass little juice shops trying to have acai, they don't do it right. 1.00
00:49:15.000 The way Ubatuba does it is exactly the way you get it in Brazil. 0.99
00:49:20.000 So goddamn good. 0.98
00:49:21.000 What is this? 0.99
00:49:22.000 1920s?
00:49:23.000 Fighting sideshows called Vale Tudo became popular in Brazilian circuses during the 1920s.
00:49:29.000 Jesus Christ.
00:49:30.000 So they were doing this before they found jiu-jitsu.
00:49:32.000 And jiu-jitsu, they just figured it like the...
00:49:35.000 Made them see the last piece of the puzzle.
00:49:39.000 They were already doing it.
00:49:40.000 Before 1920?
00:49:42.000 I think Helio was doing jiu-jitsu in 1914 or something.
00:49:47.000 When did Maeda come to Brazil? 0.52
00:49:49.000 That's a good question.
00:49:51.000 I thought that was in the 30s or 40s.
00:49:52.000 What year did Helio Gracie...
00:49:54.000 Because Carlos Gracie learned first.
00:49:56.000 What year did Carlos Gracie first...
00:49:58.000 Learn jujitsu.
00:49:59.000 Count Maeda, right?
00:50:01.000 It was Count Maeda.
00:50:01.000 When did he first meet Carlos Gracie?
00:50:04.000 It's amazing, man.
00:50:05.000 Again, think about the billions of people on the planet.
00:50:07.000 These two people don't meet.
00:50:09.000 If one guy doesn't teach another guy judo, the whole world's different. 1.00
00:50:13.000 Fucking crazy. 0.99
00:50:14.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:50:14.000 Fucking crazy. 1.00
00:50:15.000 Really crazy. 1.00
00:50:16.000 And then what country did he go to?
00:50:18.000 You know, did he go to Norway or did he go to Germany?
00:50:22.000 Did he go?
00:50:22.000 No, no, he went to this place where they're already doing this.
00:50:25.000 He comes down and teaches of judo at a place where they're already getting wild.
00:50:29.000 They're already having these wild ass fights. 0.74
00:50:31.000 And he figures out how to get it to the craziest family in the best way possible. 0.78
00:50:38.000 Or maybe, I mean...
00:50:39.000 So he's about 15, so it would have been 1917. Yes.
00:50:43.000 So maybe they learned jiu-jitsu and maybe...
00:50:45.000 They immediately started having fights.
00:50:46.000 Exactly.
00:50:48.000 Maybe Valetudo...
00:50:49.000 Who invented Valetudo?
00:50:51.000 Was it the Gracies?
00:50:52.000 Dude, how crazy is that?
00:50:54.000 Who first started doing Vale Tudo in Brazil?
00:50:56.000 That's what I want to know.
00:50:57.000 Well, it had to have been influenced by the initial learning of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu from three years ago.
00:51:03.000 Or maybe it was just a bunch of dudes who were terrible at Jiu-Jitsu, just like in Japan. 0.91
00:51:10.000 Well, when I came into the UFC, it was 97. So it's basically the same amount of time afterwards, right?
00:51:15.000 So think about if, like, jujitsu is introduced to Brazil three years before they start doing these Vale Tudo things.
00:51:20.000 When I first got into the UFC, it was 97. And you and I went to one in 97, remember?
00:51:27.000 Yep.
00:51:27.000 And those days, it was, everything was like, it was like...
00:51:31.000 It had to be probably how they were on a larger scale because it was on cable, but how they were looking at it.
00:51:37.000 Like, oh, here's this new thing.
00:51:39.000 Everybody's figured out this new thing.
00:51:41.000 This is the new thing.
00:51:42.000 Okay, we're gonna try this new thing.
00:51:43.000 We're gonna have these fights.
00:51:44.000 We're gonna put these fights together.
00:51:45.000 Real similar timeline.
00:51:47.000 But the Brazilians were how many years earlier?
00:51:51.000 1920. 70?
00:51:52.000 Yeah.
00:51:53.000 70 years earlier?
00:51:54.000 Was anybody doing that before the 1920s? 0.99
00:51:57.000 Dude, that is fucking crazy. 0.98
00:51:59.000 Who really invented Valetudo? 0.99
00:52:01.000 Or maybe it was like, you know what, maybe them catch wrestling, no holds barred fights that they would do in circuses.
00:52:10.000 There was a little something with that.
00:52:11.000 Yeah, I think that was in the 1800s.
00:52:14.000 It says in Maeda's Wikipedia that in 1879, Ulysses S. Grant, former president at the time, visited Japan and while in Tokyo attended a jiu-jitsu presentation.
00:52:24.000 Whoa! 0.71
00:52:27.000 Interesting.
00:52:28.000 1879?
00:52:29.000 1879. But Japanese jiu-jitsu...
00:52:31.000 But they didn't do anything with it.
00:52:32.000 Yeah, Japanese jiu-jitsu is different than Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
00:52:34.000 But didn't...
00:52:35.000 Was it Teddy Roosevelt?
00:52:37.000 One of them...
00:52:37.000 Way different.
00:52:38.000 ...studied judo.
00:52:40.000 One of the former presidents studied judo. 1.00
00:52:42.000 Who the fuck was that? 0.99
00:52:43.000 I recently read to that Abraham Lincoln, before he was president, used to travel around and challenge people to wrestle. 1.00
00:52:47.000 Yeah, he was a wrestler.
00:52:48.000 Yeah.
00:52:49.000 Yeah, he's a big old tall dude.
00:52:50.000 See, I think there's a lot of those guys that would do that just for money.
00:52:54.000 They would travel around.
00:52:55.000 And then there was people that would take on all comers in local towns.
00:52:59.000 It was a way to make money.
00:53:01.000 Yeah.
00:53:01.000 But the rules matter.
00:53:04.000 Like if you're doing challenge matches, because in catch wrestling in the sport, you're not allowed to put someone in full guard, I don't think.
00:53:12.000 I don't know about that.
00:53:13.000 I don't know the rules.
00:53:14.000 In just regular wrestling, you can't put anybody in your guard and work your guard.
00:53:19.000 In catch wrestling, it's similar.
00:53:21.000 In catch wrestling, you can win by pin, too, right?
00:53:24.000 Is that true?
00:53:25.000 I think so.
00:53:27.000 That's like what?
00:53:29.000 It's a wrestling-based art.
00:53:31.000 But you could also get a guy in a Kimura.
00:53:33.000 Yes.
00:53:33.000 Or an Americana.
00:53:34.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:53:35.000 You can choke him.
00:53:36.000 It truly is.
00:53:37.000 It truly is.
00:53:37.000 I think so.
00:53:38.000 Submission wrestling.
00:53:39.000 But the problem, and the big problem with catch wrestling, and it has a lot of wonderful things, for sure.
00:53:45.000 A lot like, you know, the Kimura. 0.92
00:53:48.000 There's a lot of great shit in catch wrestling. 0.99
00:53:51.000 But the fact that... 0.98
00:53:53.000 But you can't work from your full guard means that not only does the system have no guard work, really, or super limited guard work, like someone's going to send me a picture.
00:54:06.000 Look, a picture of some old catch wrestler in the guard or something.
00:54:08.000 Yes, yes, yes.
00:54:10.000 I get it.
00:54:11.000 It existed.
00:54:12.000 But I'm talking about...
00:54:13.000 A sport where you're allowed to work from the guard without being stood up or without being penalized.
00:54:20.000 You know what I mean?
00:54:21.000 Y'alls didn't have that.
00:54:22.000 So what that means is the guard passing was non-existent as well.
00:54:27.000 If you're not allowed to play guard, why would you bother learning and drilling all these different pass combos?
00:54:34.000 It's a lot of time.
00:54:35.000 So that's...
00:54:37.000 What the catch wrestling was missing was the guard and the guard passing.
00:54:40.000 They had all the submissions, and it's a beautiful thing.
00:54:42.000 But it was like that in Japan in a lot of ways, too.
00:54:45.000 When you watch old pancreas, no one's working from the guard.
00:54:48.000 There's no technical half-guard stuff.
00:54:51.000 It's just wide-open, basic movements off your back.
00:54:57.000 And that's the biggest thing that the Brazilians brought to the game is Guard passing, which means on the flip side, you've got to have a super hard guard to pass. 0.80
00:55:11.000 And that changes everything.
00:55:13.000 That changed everything in trying to figure out a way to do real fights.
00:55:18.000 That's why they had to fake a lot of fights, because there was so much missing.
00:55:23.000 When you put two white belts together on the ground, there's not going to be a submission going on. 0.98
00:55:28.000 It's not going to be entertaining to watch two people on the ground in a position like the guard or whatever.
00:55:34.000 You just don't spend a lot of time and it gets really boring.
00:55:36.000 So that's why you'd have to fake it.
00:55:38.000 What do you mean by fake it?
00:55:41.000 Pro-wrestling.
00:55:43.000 The origins of pro-wrestling.
00:55:45.000 I mean, if you think about pro-wrestling, pro-wrestling is just a fake UFC. Because they're on the ground, they do leg locks and shit. 0.60
00:55:54.000 They'll do go-go-plathos now, the gravedigger, the undertaker. 0.98
00:55:58.000 Only because they would have did it before if they would have known it was possible.
00:56:01.000 They just didn't spend enough time on the ground without stand-ups and without penalties to figure out there's so much you could do on the ground.
00:56:08.000 And that's what changed everything.
00:56:10.000 That's what made it so that you don't have to fake fights anymore.
00:56:14.000 Although there are fake fights, you know, especially in Japan.
00:56:17.000 I think that's why they started faking fights.
00:56:18.000 I think they just wanted to make it more entertaining.
00:56:20.000 And they want to be able to do it every night.
00:56:22.000 Well, yes, that's what I'm saying.
00:56:23.000 No, no, that's what I'm saying.
00:56:25.000 They want to make it more entertaining.
00:56:26.000 If it's real, it's not entertaining because you have two dudes.
00:56:29.000 You want to be able to do it every night.
00:56:31.000 You want to be able to travel on the road.
00:56:32.000 I don't know.
00:56:32.000 I don't know their schedule.
00:56:34.000 I don't know exactly how they did it.
00:56:36.000 Yeah, maybe they went out once every six months.
00:56:38.000 Maybe they went out every once a month.
00:56:39.000 I'm not too sure of the frequency of their fights, but a hundred percent.
00:56:45.000 You take a time machine back to 1860 and you go to a carnival and you watch these dudes grapple.
00:56:51.000 You're not going to see...
00:56:53.000 High-tech guard work.
00:56:55.000 You know what I mean?
00:56:55.000 You're not gonna see high-tech guard passing.
00:56:58.000 You're just not gonna see it.
00:56:59.000 No, it didn't exist.
00:56:59.000 That's why it was so stunning.
00:57:01.000 It exists in Judo, but not that much because...
00:57:03.000 Not like that.
00:57:03.000 Yeah, unless you're doing Nuwaza.
00:57:05.000 Nuwaza was a Judo style that spent more time on the ground, but still they didn't make an impact like the Gracies did. 1.00
00:57:12.000 Well, when you watch someone who's a really good guard expert on their back and you watch someone trapped in that web It's very interesting.
00:57:22.000 It didn't exist before the UFC. That thought that a guy on his back could be super dangerous.
00:57:29.000 That was a totally new concept.
00:57:30.000 Dan Severn, Hoyce Gracie.
00:57:32.000 Yeah, that was the one.
00:57:33.000 A fight like that wouldn't exist.
00:57:35.000 I mean, he was on his back and he had Dan Severn in his guard, I don't know, like 15 minutes or something like that.
00:57:41.000 It was a long time.
00:57:42.000 That was the longest match Hoyce had been in.
00:57:45.000 And he ended up triangling him.
00:57:50.000 When there are no stand-ups, a lot more patience is involved and setups and there's so much more.
00:58:01.000 It's like a whole other dimension opens up when there's no stand-ups.
00:58:05.000 So this weekend is Darren Till versus Wonderboy, excuse me, versus Tyron Woodley.
00:58:11.000 Why did I say versus Wonderboy?
00:58:12.000 What kind of flip was that?
00:58:13.000 You know why?
00:58:13.000 Because I was reading an article, this is a really interesting article, about Wonderboy and his last three fights.
00:58:19.000 The two fights with Tyron Woodley that were super duper close.
00:58:23.000 And then one fight with Darren Till that was also really close.
00:58:26.000 And they were talking about like how...
00:58:29.000 If you looked at it on paper, the people from outside, I think they were saying the global scorecard, I think that's how they're describing it, meaning how people scored it on average around the world.
00:58:40.000 More people gave it to Wonderboy than gave it to Darren Till.
00:58:44.000 And the same thing happened with the Tyron Woodley fights.
00:58:48.000 I feel like the decisions were right in all those fights.
00:58:51.000 I feel like in the Woodley fights in particular, Woodley hurt Wonderboy.
00:58:55.000 Wonderboy didn't really hurt Woodley.
00:58:57.000 I think that counts for more.
00:58:58.000 It just does.
00:59:00.000 Tyron Woodley had him out.
00:59:02.000 He had him really hurt.
00:59:04.000 And Wonderboy never had Tyron in that kind of trouble in either one of those fights.
00:59:08.000 So I would give that advantage clearly to Tyron.
00:59:10.000 I would think that if he lost that fight, that wouldn't make any sense.
00:59:13.000 Because fights are supposed to be about who does the most damage, who's more effective.
00:59:18.000 I mean, Wonderboy was effective for more time.
00:59:21.000 But that's just like movement and sticking and hitting him with small shots.
00:59:27.000 But Tyron put him on, you know, unconsciousness's door.
00:59:31.000 He was like right there.
00:59:32.000 It was very dangerous.
00:59:34.000 It was way different.
00:59:35.000 And plus you got to take the belt, right?
00:59:36.000 Yeah.
00:59:37.000 Well, I'm not sure I believe that.
00:59:39.000 I think, you know, if someone really wins a decision, they really win a decision.
00:59:43.000 But it's just...
00:59:45.000 What's most important is damage.
00:59:47.000 You guys are basically in a striking exchange.
00:59:49.000 We're not talking about submission attempts versus striking exchanges, like which one's better.
00:59:55.000 He almost had him choked out with that triangle while he almost had him knocked out with that left hook. 1.00
00:59:58.000 We're not talking about that because it was basically just a striking match.
01:00:01.000 And in just a plain old striking match...
01:00:04.000 Woodley was the one who landed the bigger shots.
01:00:06.000 In my mind, we've got to figure out a way to quantify that. 0.84
01:00:09.000 It just doesn't make any sense where you could see a guy having a guy fucked up and almost out.
01:00:15.000 I think the same way about the Robert Whitaker-Yoel Romero fight.
01:00:18.000 There's two rounds in that fight where Yoel Romero is landing bombs on Whitaker and Whitaker's hurt bad.
01:00:24.000 How does he lose that fight?
01:00:25.000 I don't understand that. 0.99
01:00:27.000 To me, even if it makes sense in the current scoring system, that scoring system is fucking flawed. 1.00
01:00:35.000 That shit doesn't make any sense. 0.99
01:00:36.000 Like, logically, when you're looking at what's the ultimate goal of fighting. 0.99
01:00:41.000 But if you look at those three fights, just at least on paper, Wonderboy's like right up there.
01:00:46.000 And Darren Till...
01:00:48.000 With one fight with Cowboy, one fight with him.
01:00:51.000 Those two fights were the most high-profile fights of his career.
01:00:53.000 Boom! 0.99
01:00:54.000 Already got a title shot.
01:00:55.000 It's really interesting.
01:00:57.000 That's how talented Darren Till is.
01:00:59.000 People are so interested in him.
01:01:01.000 17-0, 25 years old. 1.00
01:01:03.000 They're like, fuck. 1.00
01:01:04.000 Give him a chance. 1.00
01:01:06.000 The real battle for this guy, almost, is not just the fight, which is going to be of course a battle, but making 170, how much longer does he do that? 0.60
01:01:15.000 He's, I mean, he fucking, he's hurting to get down to 170. Apparently he was at 182. Yes, he's giant, dude.
01:01:24.000 Giant.
01:01:25.000 You ever see how much bigger he is in Woodley?
01:01:27.000 This is the video at the press conference where they stand next to each other and- How tall is he?
01:01:31.000 Till puts his hands over his head.
01:01:32.000 I can't tell.
01:01:33.000 It says inches.
01:01:34.000 He's got to be 6'2", but he's a big giant 6'2".
01:01:38.000 That's six foot even.
01:01:40.000 That's just six foot even?
01:01:41.000 Yeah, 72 inches.
01:01:43.000 That's right, it is.
01:01:44.000 He seems way taller than that.
01:01:46.000 Yeah.
01:01:47.000 Go to the video of them...
01:01:50.000 That's crazy.
01:01:51.000 Why do I think he was 6'2"?
01:01:53.000 Anyway, just still.
01:01:55.000 We're talking 170. He is clearly taller.
01:01:57.000 He's a big fucker, too. 1.00
01:01:59.000 It's not just tall. 1.00
01:02:00.000 He's thick. 1.00
01:02:01.000 You know, he's a big fucking guy. 1.00
01:02:04.000 And he has a hard time making that weight. 1.00
01:02:06.000 Look how fucking big he is, dude. 0.99
01:02:08.000 Seriously. 0.99
01:02:10.000 That looks like more than three inches.
01:02:13.000 Unless he's wearing some crazy cowboy boots.
01:02:17.000 I don't know, but look.
01:02:17.000 It's gonna be hard to do anything to Woodley, man.
01:02:20.000 Very hard.
01:02:20.000 It's gonna be hard.
01:02:21.000 Well, there's a bunch of things with Woodley. 0.99
01:02:23.000 First of all, the fucking speed. 0.99
01:02:25.000 You're dealing with speed that you probably haven't seen before. 1.00
01:02:28.000 Exactly.
01:02:29.000 And his level of wrestling.
01:02:31.000 Look at these two guys.
01:02:33.000 Has Till submitted anybody?
01:02:34.000 No, no, no.
01:02:35.000 His jiu-jitsu isn't done.
01:02:37.000 No, there's no submitting with Till.
01:02:39.000 I mean, he knows jiu-jitsu for sure.
01:02:40.000 He lived in Brazil for a few years.
01:02:41.000 He actually speaks Portuguese. 1.00
01:02:43.000 Shit, okay. 1.00
01:02:44.000 Yeah, he got stabbed in London and then went to Brazil to fucking Recoup and hang out and lived there for a while. 1.00
01:02:54.000 I don't know the full story of it But he speaks perfect Portuguese one after one of his fights in Brazil. 0.88
01:02:59.000 He addressed the crowd in Portuguese.
01:03:01.000 It's pretty crazy. 0.91
01:03:02.000 I haven't heard any trash talking from Connor as Have I missed it? 0.92
01:03:07.000 He's not doing any press. 0.84
01:03:08.000 He's not. 0.99
01:03:09.000 Oh shit. 0.99
01:03:09.000 He's not doing anything figured it out You figured out the promotion on your own. 0.99
01:03:15.000 I'm over here.
01:03:16.000 Seriously. 0.98
01:03:16.000 He's not doing shit. 0.98
01:03:17.000 What about a countdown show? 0.98
01:03:18.000 What about a countdown show?
01:03:20.000 I think he basically said, listen, man, I'm going to fight, and that's it.
01:03:24.000 That's what's going to happen.
01:03:25.000 October 6th, I'm going to fight.
01:03:27.000 And that's it.
01:03:28.000 I thought he liked the promotion.
01:03:29.000 I thought he liked it.
01:03:30.000 I think he's done, man.
01:03:32.000 First of all, he just won $100 million. 1.00
01:03:36.000 He probably thinks, you could suck all the dicks. 1.00
01:03:39.000 I'm here right now. 1.00
01:03:41.000 I want to fight.
01:03:42.000 That's what I want to do. 1.00
01:03:42.000 I don't want to do any of your bullshit. 1.00
01:03:44.000 I want to fight. 0.99
01:03:44.000 So on October 6th, I'm going to show up and fight. 0.99
01:03:47.000 Figure out all the rest.
01:03:48.000 On October 5th, I'll be there to make weight.
01:03:51.000 Do that in his accent, though.
01:03:53.000 I wish I could.
01:03:54.000 I'd have to listen to him a few more times.
01:03:56.000 Yeah.
01:03:56.000 If he dies, he dies, then it says.
01:03:59.000 Hold on, go back down.
01:04:00.000 What are you doing? 0.61
01:04:01.000 If he dies, he dies, then.
01:04:03.000 I'm paid twice. 0.87
01:04:05.000 He's got 1.3 million likes.
01:04:06.000 What does that mean?
01:04:07.000 Yeah, it's a lot of likes.
01:04:08.000 What does that mean?
01:04:10.000 He's trying to stay relevant.
01:04:11.000 He's trying to put some words out there.
01:04:13.000 Looks sexy.
01:04:14.000 Probably got somebody doing it for him.
01:04:15.000 Some little assistant. 0.57
01:04:16.000 And, you know, he's probably concentrating on the fight.
01:04:18.000 And they said, Connor, is this good? 0.98
01:04:19.000 And he's like, yeah, it's fucking good. 0.98
01:04:21.000 Put it up. 0.98
01:04:25.000 I'll tell you what, man. 0.98
01:04:26.000 I can't fucking wait for that fight. 0.97
01:04:29.000 And you know, if one of them drop out, Tony Ferguson's ready to go. 0.98
01:04:35.000 He's ready to go.
01:04:36.000 And he's on the card anyway, in the undercard against Pettis, right?
01:04:39.000 Yes.
01:04:39.000 So they would definitely do Ferguson and not Pettis?
01:04:44.000 I think so.
01:04:45.000 I'm not sure.
01:04:46.000 I think... 0.99
01:04:47.000 Did they offer Nurmagomedov to Pettis when all that shit was going down in New York, in Brooklyn? 0.98
01:04:52.000 I know they offered it to... 0.95
01:04:54.000 They were gonna have it Chiesa, but Chiesa got cut, right? 0.98
01:05:00.000 And they didn't let Paul Felder, because Paul Felder wasn't ranked high enough, which is crazy.
01:05:04.000 Yeah.
01:05:05.000 And they let Al Iaquinta do it.
01:05:07.000 But I think they offered it to Pettis.
01:05:08.000 The report was Pettis and Felder were both denied.
01:05:11.000 Interesting.
01:05:12.000 Pettis and Felder both denied.
01:05:14.000 Well, you know, Pettis just beat Chiesa by triangle.
01:05:19.000 He looked good.
01:05:19.000 He looked like he's back.
01:05:21.000 I selfishly hope that no one drops out, because first of all, I want to see that fight.
01:05:27.000 But two, I really want to see Tony versus Pettis.
01:05:30.000 Yeah.
01:05:31.000 That's a really interesting fight, man.
01:05:33.000 Yeah, Tony's looking good, man.
01:05:35.000 I bet he is.
01:05:35.000 Tony's looking good.
01:05:36.000 It's amazing how quick he came back from that surgery.
01:05:38.000 It's amazing, man.
01:05:39.000 It's amazing.
01:05:40.000 He's looking really good.
01:05:41.000 He's breakdancing.
01:05:42.000 I watched him breakdance.
01:05:43.000 This guy just blew his knee ligaments off his bones.
01:05:47.000 Quit drinking.
01:05:48.000 No more drinking. 1.00
01:05:49.000 He's clean as fuck. 1.00
01:05:50.000 His diet's... 0.99
01:05:51.000 He looks great right now.
01:05:54.000 He looks great.
01:05:54.000 Yeah, he's in tremendous shape.
01:05:56.000 How much was he drinking before?
01:05:58.000 He's in the best shape of his life.
01:05:59.000 You know, a couple beers here and there.
01:06:01.000 You know what I mean?
01:06:02.000 No big deal, but he's... 1.00
01:06:04.000 But you said, fuck it. 1.00
01:06:05.000 None of that now. 1.00
01:06:06.000 Oh, dude.
01:06:06.000 That injury just changed everything for him.
01:06:09.000 That injury just made him reevaluate his life.
01:06:12.000 And now he's coming back stronger than ever, man.
01:06:15.000 Well, when something like that happens, you realize, like, whoa, one of these that's really this catastrophic could be the end of my career.
01:06:22.000 Yeah.
01:06:22.000 It's possible.
01:06:23.000 And it's so possible that...
01:06:25.000 Connor or Khabib could drop out.
01:06:28.000 That's so possible.
01:06:29.000 That's the backup plan.
01:06:31.000 Pettis and Tony is the backup plan.
01:06:33.000 Well, what are we at now?
01:06:34.000 We're still a month away.
01:06:36.000 Today's the sixth.
01:06:37.000 We have a whole month.
01:06:39.000 Dude, the world could fall apart in a month.
01:06:41.000 In a month? 0.57
01:06:42.000 Yeah, and that weekend is going to be fucking insane because that's in Vegas on that Saturday.
01:06:48.000 The Friday before is Quintet 3. That's going to be insane. 0.78
01:06:51.000 What's that?
01:06:52.000 Have you seen Quintet yet?
01:06:53.000 No.
01:06:53.000 The team jiu-jitsu?
01:06:54.000 Team sub-only jiu-jitsu?
01:06:56.000 What?
01:06:56.000 Sakuraba show.
01:06:57.000 Oh my god.
01:06:59.000 Okay, okay, okay.
01:07:00.000 I'm confused.
01:07:01.000 I thought you meant team like four guys against four guys attacking each other all at once.
01:07:05.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.
01:07:06.000 Because I was watching that video, the Russian guy.
01:07:08.000 It's still in my head.
01:07:08.000 Oh, no, no, no, no.
01:07:09.000 Quintet is Sakuraba's show.
01:07:11.000 I did.
01:07:12.000 I saw the boogie choked out Sakuraba. 0.99
01:07:13.000 I was like, that is the craziest shit I've ever seen in my life. 0.98
01:07:15.000 That was the craziest experience I've ever been in my life as far as jujitsu goes. 0.99
01:07:20.000 It's so different.
01:07:22.000 I've never done this.
01:07:23.000 Yeah.
01:07:23.000 Yeah.
01:07:24.000 Team jujitsu, it's fucking insane. 0.98
01:07:27.000 There were so many ups and downs, man. 0.99
01:07:30.000 It was insane.
01:07:32.000 Why was Gio grappling against a guy that was so big?
01:07:35.000 Well, this is the way they do it.
01:07:36.000 Okay, so there's four teams.
01:07:37.000 It's a four-man bracket.
01:07:39.000 Right.
01:07:39.000 And, you know, the winner of these two teams fights the winner of these two teams, and then they're in the finals.
01:07:43.000 So it's five on five.
01:07:46.000 950 pound weight limit.
01:07:48.000 For the whole stack?
01:07:50.000 Yeah, for the whole five.
01:07:51.000 You get to divvy it however you want.
01:07:53.000 You can get two monsters here, two monsters, but then you gotta have little, little guys here.
01:07:58.000 And what ends up happening, we had Adam Sacknoff and Amir Alam, our two giant guys.
01:08:05.000 They're both like 220. And then we had Gio PJ and Boogie made up the rest of the team.
01:08:14.000 So we had two big guys, a couple medium guys, and then Gio's the small guy.
01:08:18.000 Gio's the smallest guy, but he's like...
01:08:21.000 Gio's like 145. He fights 135. He walks around like...
01:08:26.000 140. So every team has to submit the order they want their fighters to go, but without knowing your opponent's order.
01:08:37.000 So you just line them up however you want, and then boom, they just BAM! This is the matchup!
01:08:41.000 Like, oh shit! 1.00
01:08:42.000 You know, you could have giants against little dudes. 1.00
01:08:46.000 You know, it's all mixed up.
01:08:47.000 You just BAM! Does anybody have to agree?
01:08:50.000 Nope.
01:08:50.000 So who gets to put the guy out first, like when you're making the decision?
01:08:54.000 No, this is what happens.
01:08:55.000 You have to...
01:08:56.000 Every team has to submit the order that they want their fighters to go out.
01:09:00.000 So I had...
01:09:00.000 Oh, so it's random.
01:09:02.000 So I say, Eddie, you go out first.
01:09:03.000 Jamie goes out second.
01:09:04.000 Write it down, submit it, and they go, boom.
01:09:06.000 And they just put them together. 0.99
01:09:07.000 That's ridiculous. 0.97
01:09:08.000 Yeah, you don't know how your opponents... 0.99
01:09:10.000 The other team's going to line them up. 0.99
01:09:12.000 So, boom, when they line up, when you see how it lined up, you're like, oh, shit. 0.99
01:09:17.000 So the craziest thing was... 0.99
01:09:19.000 We had to beat...
01:09:21.000 The first team we went against was Ishii's team.
01:09:28.000 Ishii is the biggest, best-built Japanese of all time.
01:09:35.000 Of all time.
01:09:36.000 He's like 250-pound Japanese, like 6'3", 6'4", built like Ray Lewis. 0.99
01:09:41.000 Is Ishii the gold medalist?
01:09:42.000 Gold medalist in judo.
01:09:45.000 Dude, he's so cool, too.
01:09:47.000 He's awesome.
01:09:48.000 His English is pretty good.
01:09:51.000 He fought MMA a little bit.
01:09:53.000 Yeah, in Japan.
01:09:54.000 The dude is... 1.00
01:09:55.000 I've never seen a Japanese built like this motherfucker. 1.00
01:09:57.000 He's like Brock fucking Lesnar. 1.00
01:09:59.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
01:10:00.000 It's insane.
01:10:01.000 He's a very intimidating and giant.
01:10:04.000 So that was the first team we were going against. 1.00
01:10:07.000 We were like, holy shit. 0.99
01:10:08.000 And plus they had João Assis, which is a big-ass Brazilian. 1.00
01:10:11.000 He's like 210 pounds.
01:10:13.000 One of the best Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu guys out there.
01:10:15.000 And he's on a Japanese team?
01:10:16.000 He's on Ishii's team.
01:10:17.000 Whoa! 0.71
01:10:17.000 So it's João Assist, big, high-level world champion, Abu Dhabi champion. 0.71
01:10:23.000 He won Abu Dhabi once, too.
01:10:24.000 Oh, my God.
01:10:25.000 And Ishii, and then they had three other guys, right?
01:10:27.000 So we had to go against them first.
01:10:30.000 But the first two teams that went, while we're in the locker room, Sakuraba's team went against Tiger Muay Thai team, right?
01:10:38.000 It was Stuart Cooper's team.
01:10:39.000 Look at that photo of Ishii up there.
01:10:41.000 Jesus Christ, he's jacked.
01:10:43.000 Look at the size of him, man. 1.00
01:10:44.000 He's so fucking big. 0.99
01:10:46.000 He's huge. 1.00
01:10:46.000 In person, he's huge. 1.00
01:10:48.000 I'm sure, man.
01:10:49.000 It's incredible.
01:10:51.000 He fought Rampage, right?
01:10:52.000 Was that in Strikeforce?
01:10:54.000 Bellator.
01:10:54.000 Bellator.
01:10:55.000 He fought Rampage and Bellator.
01:10:57.000 So we're in the back. 1.00
01:10:58.000 I wish I would have videotaped this shit. 1.00
01:10:59.000 We're in the back locker room. 1.00
01:11:01.000 It's a nice arena and everything.
01:11:02.000 So it's like we're like a basketball arena.
01:11:04.000 We're in the back watching the first two guys go.
01:11:08.000 And Sakuraba had this giant black guy on his team.
01:11:12.000 His last name is Frida.
01:11:13.000 I think it's Hasim Frida.
01:11:15.000 Some black guy from Africa who lives in Japan and he trains with Sakuraba.
01:11:20.000 Giant dude, right? 1.00
01:11:21.000 Tall, motherfucker. 1.00
01:11:23.000 So we're watching this black dude destroy everybody while we're in the locker room going, holy shit! 1.00
01:11:30.000 How big is this guy? 1.00
01:11:31.000 Who's gonna go against this dude?
01:11:33.000 How big?
01:11:33.000 He's probably about 210, 215 pounds, 6'4".
01:11:39.000 Haseen Frida.
01:11:41.000 This is the guy right here?
01:11:42.000 No, no, no, no.
01:11:43.000 The guy he's gonna fight.
01:11:44.000 Yes, check out this guy.
01:11:46.000 Alex Schild and Hasim Rida.
01:11:48.000 He just goes after legs and rips.
01:11:50.000 He's tall, dude. 1.00
01:11:51.000 He fucks people up. 0.99
01:11:52.000 So we're backstage watching this dude tear through that team. 0.99
01:11:57.000 He's so much bigger than that guy.
01:11:59.000 Yeah, totally.
01:12:00.000 This is so crazy.
01:12:01.000 This looks like a 150-pound guy versus a 205-er.
01:12:05.000 Yeah, and the way it is, right, so if you win the first matchup, right, if there's not a submission, it's submission only, if there's not a submission and time runs out, both those fighters are out.
01:12:18.000 It's whoever has the last fighter standing wins, right? 0.93
01:12:21.000 Oh shit, look at this. 0.99
01:12:23.000 He goes right for legs and just rips them off, dude. 1.00
01:12:29.000 Looking for the other one now.
01:12:32.000 He's so much bigger than him.
01:12:34.000 So dangerous.
01:12:35.000 Kneebar.
01:12:37.000 Well, he let it go quick.
01:12:39.000 So anyways, we're backstage watching this guy.
01:12:41.000 He tapped out like three dudes.
01:12:42.000 Where's he from, this guy?
01:12:44.000 Kenya, maybe?
01:12:45.000 Ghana.
01:12:46.000 Ghana.
01:12:47.000 And he trains over in Ghana as well?
01:12:48.000 No, no, he lives in Japan.
01:12:50.000 He trains with somebody in Japan with Sakuraba.
01:12:52.000 Look how much bigger he is than that guy.
01:12:54.000 That's so crazy.
01:12:54.000 That guy's a normal guy.
01:12:56.000 Well, at least he didn't hurt him.
01:12:57.000 So if you win that first match, you gotta understand this.
01:13:01.000 This is how it goes down.
01:13:02.000 If you win, you stay and you fight their second guy.
01:13:07.000 If you beat him again, you stay and you fight their third guy.
01:13:10.000 But wait a minute, does the second or third guy already fight?
01:13:13.000 Do they fight already?
01:13:15.000 Like, you're not fighting a guy who hasn't fought.
01:13:17.000 Are you fighting a guy who also won?
01:13:19.000 Yes.
01:13:19.000 No, no, what happens is it's five on five, right?
01:13:23.000 This is the first matchup right here, right?
01:13:25.000 This guy wins.
01:13:26.000 Okay, so that guy's out.
01:13:27.000 This guy stays in.
01:13:28.000 We still got five guys.
01:13:29.000 Now they got four.
01:13:30.000 This guy fights this guy.
01:13:31.000 He wins again.
01:13:32.000 He taps him.
01:13:33.000 He stays.
01:13:34.000 And these guys haven't even fought yet.
01:13:35.000 And then this guy is going to fight the third guy.
01:13:38.000 Okay, people are listening here.
01:13:39.000 You've got your fingers in the air. 1.00
01:13:40.000 No one knows what the fuck you're saying. 0.99
01:13:41.000 Is it coming out on the camera? 1.00
01:13:43.000 Yes, we get it.
01:13:44.000 So, but if you tie, let's say you're in a matchup and you tie, both you guys are out.
01:13:48.000 And then the next fighter comes in.
01:13:50.000 So it's the last man standing.
01:13:54.000 Interesting.
01:13:54.000 So it's a good idea.
01:13:56.000 Like, Gio went against Ishii.
01:13:57.000 Our smallest guy went against the biggest guy in the tournament.
01:14:01.000 Judo, Olympic, Kimura of Hell.
01:14:04.000 So... 0.58
01:14:05.000 The strategy there was just survive against this dude and knock him out.
01:14:09.000 Don't let him win.
01:14:10.000 Because if he beats Gio, then he's going to fight again.
01:14:13.000 He's going to keep fighting until he loses or gets dekeyed.
01:14:17.000 So is it points?
01:14:17.000 How does it work?
01:14:17.000 There's no points.
01:14:18.000 Submission only.
01:14:19.000 Submission only.
01:14:20.000 And how much time do you have?
01:14:22.000 It's...
01:14:24.000 I think it's eight minutes for regular matches, but if there's a weight difference that's like 40 pounds or more, then it's a shorter match.
01:14:33.000 Okay.
01:14:34.000 It's four minutes.
01:14:35.000 When Gio went against Ishii...
01:14:37.000 Yes.
01:14:38.000 Put on Gio versus Ishii.
01:14:39.000 Ishii wasn't able to tap him, which is incredible when you really think about how much bigger he is.
01:14:44.000 I mean, he's enormous.
01:14:45.000 It's the one after this one.
01:14:46.000 It's the one after this fight.
01:14:48.000 I saw Sakuraba and Richie Who we keep calling Boogie.
01:14:55.000 And this is Richie right here against João Assis.
01:14:57.000 Yeah.
01:14:57.000 This is Richie.
01:14:59.000 Both these guys, they got DQ'd because there was no taps.
01:15:03.000 Boogie had rubber guard all over him, dude. 0.56
01:15:05.000 It looked scary like two or three times.
01:15:07.000 So Boogie got, he got DQ'd as well because nothing happened?
01:15:09.000 Yeah, they both get DQ'd if there's no submission, which is beautiful.
01:15:13.000 It's a beautiful...
01:15:14.000 It makes people go after things.
01:15:15.000 Yeah, both of you guys are out.
01:15:16.000 It's whoever has the last fighter. 0.85
01:15:18.000 When I saw that Sakuraba was tapped out, I was like, who the fuck tapped out Sakuraba? 0.93
01:15:23.000 And then as he got off him, I saw it was Richie. 0.97
01:15:26.000 I texted him. 1.00
01:15:27.000 I was like, what the fuck? 0.99
01:15:29.000 So this is it. 1.00
01:15:29.000 Look at this. 1.00
01:15:30.000 Ishii and Gio right here.
01:15:31.000 So crazy. 1.00
01:15:32.000 Look at this shit. 1.00
01:15:33.000 So it's all about Gio's trying to attack him. 1.00
01:15:34.000 See, Gio went for a Kimura of his own because he's really good at Kimuras. 1.00
01:15:37.000 So he was like, fuck it. 0.99
01:15:38.000 I'm going to try to tap this guy out. 0.99
01:15:40.000 But it got to a point where he was just too big and he put a Kimura on Gio and was just trying to rip his arm off, dude.
01:15:47.000 He had Gio's arm behind his back.
01:15:49.000 Yeah, I saw it.
01:15:50.000 I saw it and I talked to Gio after the fact.
01:15:54.000 Gio and Richie came to see me in Temecula when I did the casino down there, Pechanga.
01:16:00.000 Yeah.
01:16:01.000 Talked to him about it afterwards what dude that is he's like you didn't have me I'm like that's crazy.
01:16:05.000 It's crazy.
01:16:06.000 He couldn't tap you He's so much bigger and when I saw him yanking on his arm It's terrifying to watch he's like thinking about all the damage it's doing to that elbow and that shoulder Yep, and he's trying to pass his guard and put a camor on you know, he's got four minutes to do it So we're all thinking it would be great if Gio could tap this guy,
01:16:22.000 but at the very least knock him out You know what I mean?
01:16:25.000 Just survive because who knows he could have cleaned he could have cleaned out the whole team look at this animal Just crazy. 1.00
01:16:31.000 This guy's a fucking monster. 1.00
01:16:36.000 Yeah, I mean, he keeps yanking on it too. 1.00
01:16:39.000 It's just amazing, Gio's defense.
01:16:40.000 It gets crazy right here.
01:16:41.000 Look.
01:16:47.000 Yeah, we're watching it right now.
01:16:48.000 Boom! 1.00
01:16:49.000 Look at that shit. 1.00
01:16:50.000 Look at that. 1.00
01:16:51.000 Most people would have tapped right here.
01:16:53.000 Most people would have tapped. 1.00
01:16:55.000 Look at that shit. 1.00
01:16:56.000 Look at that. 1.00
01:16:57.000 Boom, now he's good.
01:16:58.000 He got the hand down on the mat.
01:17:00.000 Luckily, he's so good at kimuras that he's created so many kimura monsters down at his school that he has to deal with kimuras all the time, so that's why he was able to survive. 1.00
01:17:09.000 Look how he's getting his knees in.
01:17:10.000 See how he's just creating space?
01:17:12.000 Tuck it in again.
01:17:13.000 Yeah, amazing.
01:17:14.000 People who have never practiced jiu-jitsu probably wouldn't appreciate how interesting this technique is.
01:17:20.000 He has his arm again.
01:17:21.000 So dangerous for him to do this.
01:17:23.000 To be stuck in the situation, and to see Ishii give up on it, that's what's even more crazy, because Ishii is literally 100 pounds bigger.
01:17:29.000 No, he's gonna go back to it.
01:17:31.000 He's gonna go back to it.
01:17:32.000 But I mean, he gave up on it right there, though.
01:17:33.000 Yeah.
01:17:34.000 I mean, he's so much bigger than him.
01:17:36.000 It's really, it's insane.
01:17:39.000 So because of the fact there was no tap in this one, both guys get knocked out?
01:17:42.000 Is that how that goes?
01:17:43.000 Exactly.
01:17:43.000 So we win there.
01:17:45.000 You know what I mean?
01:17:45.000 We took out a monster.
01:17:47.000 Took out the big gorilla.
01:17:48.000 Yeah.
01:17:49.000 So we win the first round and then we end up going against Sakuraba's team in the finals because they beat Tiger Muay Thai team.
01:18:00.000 So now Hasim Frida Boogie taps out Sakuraba.
01:18:08.000 He puts Sakuraba in a...
01:18:09.000 A Darce. 0.95
01:18:10.000 A Darce. 0.95
01:18:11.000 And then he goes against...
01:18:12.000 He stays because he wins.
01:18:14.000 So he stays and he goes against Frida.
01:18:16.000 And Frida taps out Boogie. 1.00
01:18:18.000 What'd he catch him with?
01:18:19.000 He got him with an arm bar.
01:18:21.000 And right there, Gio's next now.
01:18:23.000 Right here.
01:18:23.000 Here it is.
01:18:25.000 Yeah, this is where he gets Boogie.
01:18:28.000 Boom.
01:18:29.000 So now he stays and Gio's next.
01:18:31.000 And he's just on fire.
01:18:32.000 He's ripping through everybody within a minute.
01:18:34.000 And how big is he?
01:18:36.000 So I just let it roll through here.
01:18:37.000 Let this roll.
01:18:38.000 How big is he?
01:18:39.000 Now it's like a Gio.
01:18:40.000 He's about like 6'3", 6'4". 1.00
01:18:42.000 Tall, motherfucker. 1.00
01:18:44.000 220, 210 in that area. 1.00
01:18:46.000 So now look at this is Gio against...
01:18:48.000 So I told Gio.
01:18:49.000 I said, I looked at him.
01:18:50.000 I said, dude, avenge your brother's loss.
01:18:53.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:18:54.000 I went fucking kung fu theory because I'm losing my mind. 1.00
01:18:57.000 I'm like, oh shit. 1.00
01:18:59.000 And Gio... 0.99
01:19:00.000 So this is the final match.
01:19:02.000 No, no, no.
01:19:03.000 This is like right in the middle.
01:19:04.000 Now it's like there's three guys left each.
01:19:06.000 I don't understand how this whole thing works.
01:19:08.000 It's kind of confusing, but you stay in until you either lose or it's a draw.
01:19:16.000 If you lose or it's a draw, you're both out.
01:19:19.000 But if you win with a submission, you stay and you fight their next guy.
01:19:22.000 One guy could take out a whole team.
01:19:27.000 And, you know, the winning team might have guys that didn't even...
01:19:31.000 Gio immediately attacking.
01:19:32.000 Look, he's attacking.
01:19:33.000 Check this out.
01:19:33.000 It doesn't last long.
01:19:34.000 So he's so tall.
01:19:38.000 Gio's got one of the best guillotines in the system here.
01:19:40.000 Look.
01:19:40.000 Boom.
01:19:41.000 He gets him right there before he stood up.
01:19:42.000 There was no way he would have been able to catch that front headlock, and that's exactly what we're talking about.
01:19:46.000 Once you have a front headlock, boom, look at this.
01:19:47.000 He goes Marcelatine on him.
01:19:48.000 Boom.
01:19:49.000 All Marcelo right here.
01:19:50.000 Check this out.
01:19:51.000 Boom.
01:19:52.000 Bam.
01:19:52.000 Right there.
01:19:53.000 Wow.
01:19:53.000 That is incredible, man.
01:19:58.000 That is amazing.
01:20:00.000 That is an amazing guillotine.
01:20:03.000 That 140 pound dude can tap out an elite high level 210 pound dude like that.
01:20:10.000 That's incredible.
01:20:12.000 Maybe more than 210. That's amazing.
01:20:15.000 Damn, Gio's a beast. 1.00
01:20:17.000 Dude, I'm on the side losing my mind, dude. 1.00
01:20:19.000 My head almost exploded.
01:20:21.000 That's incredible.
01:20:22.000 And so now Gio stays and he goes against...
01:20:24.000 Look at the size difference.
01:20:24.000 Look at that size difference.
01:20:25.000 That's crazy.
01:20:27.000 And he guillotined that dude.
01:20:29.000 Yeah. 0.89
01:20:29.000 And if you watch it, the only way he could guillotine him was by almost sweeping him, getting him on his butt, and before he could stand up, he jumped on that head and arm. 0.89
01:20:40.000 Boom. 0.83
01:20:40.000 And he sprawled him down, snapped him down, and turned it into a Marcella team. 0.83
01:20:44.000 Insane.
01:20:45.000 Insane.
01:20:45.000 This dude's like, oh no.
01:20:46.000 He can't believe it.
01:20:48.000 He thought it was going to be easy.
01:20:49.000 Well, that's one of the more interesting things about jiu-jitsu, is that jiu-jitsu is an art where a smaller person with technique really can beat a bigger person.
01:20:58.000 It's just... 0.85
01:20:58.000 Marcella teens are giant killers. 0.85
01:21:00.000 We warm up with that shit, dude. 1.00
01:21:03.000 We don't fuck around. 1.00
01:21:04.000 I don't know how many times you need to see a Marcella Garcia rip people apart with those things before you put it into your own system. 1.00
01:21:14.000 That's amazing.
01:21:14.000 So when is this event going to happen again?
01:21:16.000 So we won this one. 0.89
01:21:18.000 It was super fucking crazy. 0.78
01:21:20.000 We won this one, and that was Quintet 2. Quintet 3, we're returning, and that's going to be in Vegas the Friday before Conor versus Khabib. 0.90
01:21:33.000 Oh, shit. 0.98
01:21:34.000 So it's going to be a crazy weekend, son. 1.00
01:21:37.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
01:21:37.000 They won the first Quintet, and they got Craig Jones. 0.99
01:21:40.000 They got Marcin Hell.
01:21:42.000 They got Team Polaris.
01:21:44.000 Wow.
01:21:44.000 I mean, Craig Jones is one of the best grapplers in the world right now.
01:21:47.000 And that's it.
01:21:49.000 Quintet.
01:21:49.000 I watched his match with Husamar Pajares.
01:21:52.000 Uriah Faber got a team now. 0.99
01:21:54.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
01:21:55.000 And there's Gio. 1.00
01:21:56.000 Boom.
01:21:56.000 Interesting.
01:21:58.000 Craig Jones, that's fucking... 0.99
01:22:00.000 Team Polaris is quintet one winner. 0.99
01:22:02.000 Dude, it's really nice to see more people paying attention to submission grappling.
01:22:06.000 Maybe this is the way to do it.
01:22:07.000 This is huge.
01:22:07.000 This is...
01:22:08.000 Dude, this is lighting the world on...
01:22:11.000 The grappling world on fire.
01:22:13.000 Everyone's starting their own...
01:22:14.000 Quintet rules is a new thing now.
01:22:17.000 That happened a month and a half ago, and there have already been tournaments.
01:22:21.000 Blue Belt Quintet Tournament.
01:22:23.000 We're having a quintet tournament at the 10th Planet Eclipse, which is where we all get together once a year and have a party and do business stuff, like a business summit meeting.
01:22:36.000 Wait a minute.
01:22:36.000 Is it founded by Josh Barnett?
01:22:38.000 Is that what you're saying?
01:22:39.000 He's in it.
01:22:40.000 Josh Barnett's in it?
01:22:41.000 He was in the first one, but it's a Sakuraba show.
01:22:45.000 Quintec 3 card will feature Sakuraba himself in action, along with fellow UFC Hall of Famer Uriah Faber, former UFC heavyweight champion Josh Barnett, and elite grappling champions, including three-time EBI winner Gio motherfucking Martinez.
01:22:58.000 And reigning Polaris champion.
01:23:00.000 Yeah, I guess Josh Burnett's going to be in this one.
01:23:01.000 Craig Jones.
01:23:02.000 That's awesome, man.
01:23:03.000 Josh Burnett's a beast.
01:23:04.000 Maybe he's on Sakuraba's team or something.
01:23:06.000 I don't know.
01:23:06.000 Well, you know what, man?
01:23:07.000 He's, like, real ambivalent about his...
01:23:10.000 Not ambivalent, but, you know, he's just trying to figure out what he's going to do with his career.
01:23:14.000 He's been released by the UFC. You know, he had that whole USADA thing where they flagged him for...
01:23:21.000 What is it?
01:23:21.000 A tainted supplement?
01:23:22.000 He went over the whole story on the podcast.
01:23:24.000 It was a tainted supplement.
01:23:25.000 They proved it was a tainted supplement.
01:23:28.000 They released him, but it took a long time to do so, and he was very frustrated by it, and now he's not sure what he's going to do.
01:23:35.000 So for him to do something like this, you know, especially at this stage of his career, Josh is still an elite grappler.
01:23:41.000 Absolutely.
01:23:42.000 Won the worlds in the gi. 0.89
01:23:44.000 Tap Dean Lister out.
01:23:45.000 Remember that?
01:23:46.000 Tap Dean Lister out with a can opener?
01:23:49.000 No, no, it was a scarf hold.
01:23:51.000 Scarf hold choke?
01:23:52.000 I forget.
01:23:52.000 I forget.
01:23:53.000 Yeah, it was like one of them judo side headlock chokes. 1.00
01:23:56.000 Yeah.
01:23:57.000 Tapped out here on Gracie.
01:23:59.000 He had a lot of weight on him, but still, he still got him.
01:24:02.000 The Dean Lister one, both of them are incredibly impressive, but Dean Lister's a big guy.
01:24:08.000 Dean Lister and him are of similar size.
01:24:11.000 Yeah, so he got him in side control, and then he went to one of those...
01:24:16.000 Remember when Mark Coleman tapped out Dan Severn?
01:24:18.000 Yeah.
01:24:19.000 Remember that?
01:24:19.000 It's like just a regular schoolyard headlock.
01:24:22.000 Just a headlock. 1.00
01:24:23.000 I got put in a headlock once as a kid for being an asshole. 1.00
01:24:28.000 I couldn't get out. 1.00
01:24:29.000 I couldn't get out, man. 0.98
01:24:31.000 You realize how fucking good Josh is, though, when you see him control a guy like Dean Lister. 0.99
01:24:36.000 I mean, that's how goddamn good Josh Barnett is. 0.99
01:24:39.000 That's a good three-quarter Nelson right there. 0.97
01:24:40.000 Look at this pop-up.
01:24:41.000 These shameless pop-ups. 0.83
01:24:42.000 These twats. 1.00
01:24:43.000 Someone screen-recorded this video.
01:24:45.000 Oh, someone screen-recorded it?
01:24:46.000 I thought it was a shameless pop-up.
01:24:48.000 All right, we're good. 0.98
01:24:50.000 So that's fucking interesting. 0.95
01:24:51.000 Who else is on the card this weekend? 0.98
01:24:52.000 Pull up the UFC card this weekend.
01:24:54.000 So it's Darren Till versus Tyron Woodley.
01:24:56.000 I'm very excited by that fight.
01:24:58.000 Darren Till is a really, really high-level striker.
01:25:01.000 The way he moves, the way he sets things up, the strategies.
01:25:05.000 He does fight with his chin up in the air, though, and he does fight with his hands down low, but it's to invite in brawls.
01:25:13.000 So who else we got?
01:25:14.000 We got...
01:25:15.000 Oh...
01:25:17.000 Montano and Valentina Shevchenko. 1.00
01:25:20.000 Zabit is fighting, oh shit! 0.97
01:25:22.000 Well, Zabit was supposed to be fighting Yair Rodriguez, but Yair Rodriguez got injured, so Brandon Davis took it on real short notice. 0.99
01:25:31.000 I think like less than three weeks notice.
01:25:34.000 Mm-hmm.
01:25:36.000 That's gonna be a good fight right there.
01:25:37.000 Yeah.
01:25:39.000 Jessica Andrade probably had the biggest arms in the women's division, for sure. 1.00
01:25:43.000 She's a beast. 1.00
01:25:44.000 Yeah.
01:25:44.000 Dude, those arms are incredible.
01:25:47.000 Yeah, I'm really excited about Till and Woodley.
01:25:49.000 That's the fight that's most interesting to me.
01:25:51.000 That one to me is like, huh.
01:25:53.000 I watched that.
01:25:55.000 The Woodley-Till highlights and I'm like, I don't know, man.
01:25:58.000 I'm real interested about this because what Till brings to the game is size and height and distance and striking.
01:26:06.000 But with Tyron Woodley, Tyron Woodley also has wrestling, also has championship experience, been there, done that.
01:26:13.000 Till's favorite.
01:26:14.000 Till's favorite.
01:26:15.000 Yeah.
01:26:17.000 145 to 125. I never understood that.
01:26:20.000 How can they both be slightly above 100?
01:26:23.000 That has to do with the money, but yeah.
01:26:25.000 I know, but I mean, still.
01:26:26.000 Like, wait a minute.
01:26:27.000 So, if, you know, one of them's, you bet 100, you win one and a half.
01:26:32.000 But the other one is also favored.
01:26:35.000 No.
01:26:37.000 125. I mean 125. Yeah.
01:26:39.000 So what it is is Darren Till's favored by 145. Like if you bet 100, you win 145. That means you have to pay 145 to win 100. Right.
01:26:51.000 You have to pay 145 to win 100, where if you bet 100, you win 125 on Woodley, who's the champion.
01:26:58.000 Correct.
01:26:59.000 That's really just like if you bet now, because this will change probably by all the way up to the time the fight starts.
01:27:04.000 Normally I understand this.
01:27:05.000 I still don't understand it.
01:27:07.000 I understand it, but we smoked too much pop before this show.
01:27:11.000 But the thing that's interesting to me is that he doesn't...
01:27:16.000 I don't understand why they would have him a favorite.
01:27:19.000 Unless there's a lot of money coming in from Liverpool.
01:27:21.000 It's literally just what it is.
01:27:22.000 It's just a betting favorite.
01:27:24.000 Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
01:27:24.000 It's not like this isn't saying this is a favorite for the fight.
01:27:27.000 It's just a betting favorite.
01:27:29.000 There should be an expert line.
01:27:30.000 I wonder what the expert line would be.
01:27:32.000 Because if I didn't work for the UFC, if I'm standing here and you say, who do you think wins this fight?
01:27:40.000 I'd have to step back.
01:27:41.000 If I was working for a casino, if they hired me as a consultant, I'd say, this is a pick-em fight.
01:27:45.000 Anything can happen in this fight.
01:27:46.000 There's no way I know what's going to happen in this fight.
01:27:49.000 Here's a fight.
01:27:50.000 Valentina Shevchenko and Nico Montana, that fight should be like 1,200 to 1. That's pretty much what it is. 0.95
01:27:56.000 Is it?
01:27:57.000 1,600.
01:27:58.000 Sixteen hundred.
01:27:59.000 Okay.
01:27:59.000 Well, I'm being conservative.
01:28:01.000 Another one is Andrade or Sabit is minus twelve hundred.
01:28:05.000 Yeah, that makes sense, too.
01:28:06.000 Those two make sense.
01:28:06.000 See, this one to me is like, hmm, I don't know.
01:28:10.000 I really do not know.
01:28:12.000 That is very much like Pickham territory.
01:28:15.000 You could even have it like it could be plus one ten plus one ten.
01:28:18.000 So this could vary depending upon like late Woodley money could come in or late till money could shift it even higher.
01:28:24.000 I don't know, depending on how much is really on it, someone could change that with a $10,000 bet.
01:28:28.000 They could flip it or something like that.
01:28:30.000 Depends on how much is currently riding.
01:28:32.000 It's a very interesting fight.
01:28:35.000 I think one factor is going to be kicks.
01:28:38.000 And I think what you're going to see is Till doing a lot of what he did in the Wonderboy fight, which is attack that lead leg with a front leg sidekick.
01:28:47.000 He does that a lot.
01:28:48.000 And it's an awful kick.
01:28:51.000 If you get hit with it, hyperextends your knee.
01:28:54.000 And he does it really well.
01:28:57.000 It's a real controversial kick.
01:28:59.000 I mean, I don't know really that it should be.
01:29:01.000 If it's legal to grab your leg in a heel hook and rip it apart, why isn't it legal to sidekick your leg?
01:29:06.000 I mean, I don't think it's dirty at all.
01:29:08.000 The thing is that you can't, the idea is that you can't tap from it.
01:29:11.000 Darren Till, Eddie Bravo back from the pisser.
01:29:14.000 Darren Till, he's known for this, in the Wonderboy fight, he threw these hard front leg sidekicks to the knee.
01:29:21.000 Just like Robert Whitaker did to Yoel Romero, and just like Yoel Romero did to him in the previous fight.
01:29:26.000 Like that front leg sidekick to the knee has become a big kick.
01:29:29.000 And Till's really good at it.
01:29:31.000 I think that's going to be a big factor in this fight, is distance.
01:29:33.000 Like, if Till can keep his distance and use his reach, you know, because it says the same reach, but that doesn't make any sense.
01:29:42.000 But doesn't...
01:29:43.000 One of them's taller.
01:29:44.000 I mean, it's just like, yeah, maybe the arm distance is the same, but...
01:29:54.000 He does a lot of that.
01:29:57.000 He's really good at countering.
01:29:58.000 He lets himself almost get pushed back to the cage, and then he launches forward.
01:30:04.000 If you watch when he KO'd Josh Koscheck, he almost lets guys press him up against the cage, and then they expose themselves, and then he attacks back.
01:30:13.000 Rory McDonald figured out a way to nullify that.
01:30:17.000 He was the...
01:30:18.000 But that was also a different Tyron Woodley because that was Tyron Woodley before Duke Rufus.
01:30:22.000 See, most people don't realize that even though Tyron Woodley was, like, world-class, one of the best welterweights on the planet, he was really kind of training himself.
01:30:29.000 He was working with different people all over the country, but he didn't have a main head coach.
01:30:33.000 He didn't get one until he started training with Duke Rufus.
01:30:36.000 So from Duke Rufus on, it's like you're looking at a different fighter.
01:30:41.000 He's much better at, like, relaxing, conserving his energy.
01:30:44.000 He doesn't get tired in the later rounds anymore.
01:30:47.000 He's much more effective, and he also knows not to get sucked in by the crowd, like in the Wonderboy fights in particular.
01:30:54.000 People were saying it's boring, but you have to fight Wonderboy that way.
01:30:57.000 You can't charge at him.
01:30:58.000 If you charge at Wonderboy, you get lit up.
01:31:00.000 You get lit up with these crazy counter-strikes.
01:31:02.000 You've got to wait for Wonderboy to lead.
01:31:04.000 And Wonderboy was leading, and Tyron still, again...
01:31:09.000 Wonderboy landed more shots, but Tyron hurt him way more.
01:31:11.000 How did the Kelvin Gastelum fight go with Woodley?
01:31:14.000 It was a split decision, right?
01:31:15.000 He beat Kelvin by a decision.
01:31:17.000 It was a pretty close fight.
01:31:19.000 But that was the fight where Kelvin didn't make weight. 0.99
01:31:21.000 He was all fucked up coming into that fight. 0.97
01:31:24.000 But Woodley won. 0.99
01:31:25.000 But that was also, I want to say, that was right when he started with Duke, or maybe he started with Duke after that.
01:31:32.000 Either way, the Robbie Lawler fight is a good example.
01:31:37.000 What he can do, what Woodley can do, is put the best guys in the world out with one shot.
01:31:42.000 Guys who nobody puts out. 0.98
01:31:44.000 Who the fuck puts out Robbie Lawler? 0.99
01:31:46.000 Robbie Lawler gets hit with bombs and survives. 0.99
01:31:48.000 And Tyron Woodley put one on him, knocked him out.
01:31:52.000 I mean, he can do that to anybody, and he can do that to Darren Till too.
01:31:55.000 I mean, if Darren Till doesn't think that coming into this fight because he's the more accomplished striker, it's a very dangerous fight for him. 0.88
01:32:02.000 Woodley's so fucking fast.
01:32:04.000 But then again, if Darren Till can find his rhythm, establish his distance, and start using those kicks, in particular that front leg sidekick, man, he fucks your leg up with that, and then his leg kicks, and then his leg kicks with combinations, and he also, he's real creative with his striking. 0.95
01:32:21.000 There's a lot of hand movement.
01:32:23.000 There's a lot to distract you.
01:32:25.000 Maybe Woodley's best strategy would be to just take him down over and over again and try to mount him and try to take his back and try to do some ground and pound.
01:32:36.000 How hard is that until to take down?
01:32:39.000 I don't know.
01:32:39.000 It's a good question.
01:32:40.000 And how is he on his back?
01:32:42.000 That's a good question, too.
01:32:43.000 You know, what we know about him is he likes to strike.
01:32:45.000 Big, tall dude likes to strike. 0.99
01:32:47.000 Nasty striker. 0.97
01:32:48.000 You know, one of the more impressive things that he did is not the knockout of Cowboy, but when he hit him with that elbow. 0.95
01:32:54.000 He hit him with this step-in elbow where I was like, Jesus, the speed of it, man.
01:32:59.000 It's like the smoothness of his closing the distance and the speed of landing that elbow.
01:33:04.000 Like he showed Cowboy different distances and then he left this opening for that elbow and he slides in and cracks him with it and you're like, oh Jesus.
01:33:13.000 Like here's him against Cowboy.
01:33:14.000 See how his hands are down low.
01:33:17.000 He's got a lot of movement of his hands.
01:33:19.000 But that jab comes from the bottom.
01:33:22.000 It comes from underneath.
01:33:24.000 You don't know until it's too late whether he's just probing you or whether he's punching you.
01:33:29.000 There's a lot of that.
01:33:30.000 See a lot of that with the hands?
01:33:33.000 And he keeps his chin straight up in the air, but he also is really good at moving his head back.
01:33:38.000 He's also really used to high-level sparring and high-level fighting.
01:33:42.000 He's an elite guy, man, and a dangerous kind of weird style in a lot of ways. 0.95
01:33:49.000 See all that hand movement and shit? 0.96
01:33:51.000 Like, he does a lot of that. 1.00
01:33:54.000 Shit that you saw in Bruce Lee movies. 1.00
01:33:55.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:33:58.000 Yeah.
01:33:58.000 Well, watch it.
01:33:59.000 Look at this.
01:33:59.000 Boom.
01:34:00.000 To the body.
01:34:01.000 I mean, that's nasty, right?
01:34:03.000 Like, you start thinking it's coming over the top and it comes to the body.
01:34:08.000 Have you heard Hanato LaRange's impersonation of Darren Till?
01:34:12.000 Oh, dude.
01:34:13.000 Yeah, it's hilarious. 0.99
01:34:14.000 No, Hanato's a fucking talented guy, man. 0.99
01:34:17.000 He's a talented guy. 0.99
01:34:19.000 The MMA world is lucky that we have him. 0.98
01:34:23.000 Fucking let's talk about like hilarious inside shit in the world of jiu-jitsu and MMA like his fake feud with me Vinnie Magalese is hilarious That's a real feud man They hate each other, trust me. 0.99
01:34:37.000 We're on a group text, me, Vinny, and Hanat, and they're just constantly fucking tearing each other apart. 0.99
01:34:45.000 Constantly. 0.97
01:34:46.000 That's hilarious.
01:34:47.000 They hate each other.
01:34:48.000 That's so funny, man.
01:34:51.000 Vinny Magalé is doing good.
01:34:52.000 He's doing great, man.
01:34:53.000 What is that?
01:34:54.000 PFL? Have you been watching that?
01:34:56.000 Yeah, I watched his fight.
01:34:57.000 He won by head kick knockout. 1.00
01:34:59.000 I was like, oh shit. 0.99
01:34:59.000 All of a sudden, you gotta worry about his head kick, because I think that may be his third head kick knockout. 0.99
01:35:05.000 You definitely have to worry about it.
01:35:06.000 And then his jiu-jitsu is top of the food chain.
01:35:08.000 And now he's like really into it and wanting to throw it and wanting to set it up more.
01:35:12.000 There's bing bing. 0.95
01:35:13.000 He hits him with that left hand.
01:35:14.000 Watch this.
01:35:17.000 Boom! 0.99
01:35:18.000 And then as he closes in, watch this elbow.
01:35:21.000 He's closing.
01:35:22.000 Dang, right there.
01:35:23.000 Ooh.
01:35:23.000 Ooh, that's so nasty.
01:35:24.000 That is a fucking hard elbow, man. 0.99
01:35:27.000 Does he remind you of Connor a little bit? 0.99
01:35:28.000 The way he kind of stands?
01:35:29.000 It seems like they kind of have that same style.
01:35:31.000 Well, they have a similar style in that they have their hands spread apart and, you know.
01:35:36.000 And constantly fainting.
01:35:38.000 And a lot of bouncing up and down and back and forth.
01:35:40.000 A lot of movement.
01:35:41.000 Yeah, he's not like a plodding guy.
01:35:43.000 What did he do growing up?
01:35:44.000 He's light on his feet.
01:35:45.000 Did he do karate growing up or something?
01:35:46.000 Muay Thai.
01:35:46.000 A lot of Muay Thai.
01:35:47.000 Since he was a kid?
01:35:49.000 Very young.
01:35:50.000 I'd have to ask Vinny Shorman the full background of him, but Vinny was one of the ones who told me about him a long time ago.
01:35:58.000 He told me about him when he was first fighting in the UFC. He's like, you've got to watch this guy.
01:36:02.000 He's fucking special. 0.93
01:36:03.000 And he said, in his Liverpool accent, because Vinny's from Liverpool too, he said when the Cowboy fight was going on, he's like, Cowboy doesn't know what he's in for. 0.99
01:36:12.000 He thinks he's just going to go in there and fight this guy and doesn't need to watch tape on him.
01:36:16.000 You have no idea what you're dealing with.
01:36:18.000 Was Cowboy 100% in that fight?
01:36:21.000 Did he have some weight cutting issues or anything like that?
01:36:25.000 No, it was 170. That was a 170 fight.
01:36:26.000 Did he train properly for that fight?
01:36:28.000 I mean, I assume he did.
01:36:29.000 He's not saying right.
01:36:30.000 I don't know.
01:36:30.000 I don't know.
01:36:30.000 You know, it's just, I think Cowboy, honestly, is a 155-er.
01:36:34.000 Or a 165-er. 0.99
01:36:35.000 I think there's a lot of fighters that are like that.
01:36:38.000 I mean, I think Cowboy can beat real top guys like Matt Brown.
01:36:42.000 He can beat Matt Brown at 170. He can beat guys at 170, no doubt.
01:36:45.000 But I just think, realistically, these guys at 170 are so fucking big that Cowboy's more of a 155-er.
01:36:53.000 But I think that even 155 hurts him. 0.89
01:36:55.000 Hurts him to get down there.
01:36:57.000 So he's a tweener.
01:36:58.000 Like Diego Sanchez has always been kind of a tweener.
01:37:01.000 He's like too small for 170, too big for 155. But Diego made it down to 145 once.
01:37:07.000 That's crazy.
01:37:08.000 Remember that?
01:37:08.000 That was insane.
01:37:10.000 That's that iron will, son.
01:37:12.000 And BJ, too.
01:37:13.000 He did 170, 155, 145. BJ did heavyweight.
01:37:17.000 Remember when we fought Lyoto Machida?
01:37:18.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:37:18.000 He was like 205 and BJ just ate whatever the fuck he wanted. 0.98
01:37:22.000 He didn't even step on a scale. 0.99
01:37:25.000 BJ's back.
01:37:26.000 He's gonna fight Ryan Hall.
01:37:29.000 That's going to be interesting.
01:37:30.000 That's a good fight.
01:37:31.000 That's a good fight because Ryan Hall, although he's got good kicks and he's good at keeping guys on the outside, he's very smart at using his kicks to set up his jiu-jitsu.
01:37:40.000 People criticize him for that.
01:37:41.000 He pulls his guard a lot, too.
01:37:42.000 Yep, he does.
01:37:43.000 That's an interesting fight.
01:37:46.000 You don't want to see...
01:37:48.000 The Yair Rodriguez one was tough to watch because you're watching BJ fight a young guy who has a specialty that's not in BJ's wheelhouse.
01:37:57.000 BJ's never been really a kicker.
01:37:59.000 He kicked Diego Sanchez in the head.
01:38:02.000 Remember he opened up that big cut?
01:38:03.000 It was one of the only head kicks you ever saw BJ throw in his whole career.
01:38:07.000 BJ's been more punching and wrestling and jiu-jitsu.
01:38:11.000 But he's fought Yair.
01:38:13.000 Yair is... 0.99
01:38:15.000 Him and Zabit, those tall guys with crazy kicks, fuck, those are so hard to deal with, man. 0.99
01:38:22.000 And BJ, it was the wrong fight for him. 0.99
01:38:24.000 Just not a good fight.
01:38:26.000 Didn't make any sense.
01:38:27.000 It's hard to watch.
01:38:28.000 Watching him get 360 roundhouse kicked in the head, you're like, whoa.
01:38:34.000 Yeah, Yair, his striking is just out of this world.
01:38:38.000 That's why I'm so bummed out that he got hurt.
01:38:40.000 Yair versus Zabit would have been crazy.
01:38:43.000 That would have been crazy.
01:38:45.000 That's probably the craziest striking matchup.
01:38:48.000 Well, real, I mean, one of, for sure.
01:38:51.000 Who throws crazier strikes than Yair? 0.99
01:38:52.000 Nobody. 1.00
01:38:53.000 Zabit can throw all that same shit. 1.00
01:38:55.000 But Yair just, you know, he just comes at me consistently. 1.00
01:39:01.000 Mm-hmm.
01:39:02.000 At a high frequency, he just keeps throwing them.
01:39:05.000 Yeah.
01:39:05.000 It's incredible.
01:39:06.000 The thing about him, though, is that, like, when you watch the Frankie Edgar fight, you're like, hmm, okay, that can be shut down.
01:39:13.000 Like, that can be really shut down.
01:39:15.000 Like, he didn't have an answer when it was shut down.
01:39:16.000 So he's, which means, in my mind, that his game is so heavily favored, that looseness, openness, and kickness, kicking, crazy, you know, wild kicking, that it's imbalanced, right?
01:39:28.000 In the sense that he's got to put almost the same amount of effort to fighting off of his back. 0.98
01:39:33.000 If he developed an unbelievable guard game to match his unbelievable kicking game, holy shit. 0.93
01:39:41.000 I mean, then you'd have an incredible balance. 0.98
01:39:43.000 He's messing around with rubber guard.
01:39:44.000 I bet he is.
01:39:45.000 He's messing around with it.
01:39:46.000 Look, it makes sense.
01:39:49.000 The best kickers, that's one of the things that Pettis is realizing now.
01:39:53.000 Pettis has kind of stopped concentrating so much on wrestling.
01:39:57.000 And he said, what I've got to get back to doing is fighting.
01:40:00.000 And when I'm at my best, he was saying, using is striking.
01:40:04.000 And then when he goes to the ground, trying to submit people.
01:40:06.000 Don't try to stop takedowns.
01:40:07.000 Don't try to take people down.
01:40:09.000 Forget all that.
01:40:10.000 So going back to what got him there, you think about his Benson Henderson fight, won by Armbar, Gilbert Melendez fight, wins by Guillotine, takes his time on the feet, does all his creative shit on the feet, but if someone takes him down, he tries to submit him immediately. 0.99
01:40:26.000 He jumps on shit. 0.98
01:40:28.000 I think that's an interesting combination. 1.00
01:40:32.000 That's why I'm so interested in that fight with him and Tony, because Tony's so wild.
01:40:35.000 Yeah, Tony does the same thing.
01:40:37.000 The one thing you've got to watch out with Tony is, He has so much firepower from so many different angles on the ground.
01:40:48.000 But, I mean, he knows a lot.
01:40:52.000 A lot.
01:40:52.000 There's so much he could tap you with.
01:40:54.000 But his Darce game is so high level and he could get it from so many angles that really, I think the most dangerous thing would be, you know, Our guys that are just focused on one thing, and especially since he hits those Darces from every goddamn angle, 0.91
01:41:13.000 you know, if he came out and just said, whatever happens, we're always looking for the Darce.
01:41:18.000 He was in trouble in that Lando Venata fight, and boom, he just put him in a Darce, and that saved the day, you know what I mean? 1.00
01:41:25.000 So...
01:41:25.000 There's a lot of different ways Tony can make you tap on the ground.
01:41:29.000 Trust me, he knows so much.
01:41:33.000 But, man, if he just stuck with his Darce game, man, that's probably the most dangerous way to go on the ground.
01:41:41.000 It's an interesting fight, man.
01:41:43.000 Interesting fight, you know.
01:41:46.000 Pettis is a nasty kicker. 0.94
01:41:47.000 There's a lot of great things in that fight.
01:41:50.000 That's a good one.
01:41:51.000 Now, that's on that card?
01:41:53.000 That on that card?
01:41:54.000 Is that on the same card?
01:41:55.000 It's on Conor Khabib.
01:41:57.000 Oh yeah.
01:41:58.000 What else is on that card?
01:41:59.000 Pull up that Conor Khabib card.
01:42:01.000 Who else is fighting on that card?
01:42:02.000 Do you know?
01:42:03.000 It's only a month away.
01:42:04.000 I don't know.
01:42:07.000 Can you put up the...
01:42:09.000 I like Sean O'Malley.
01:42:12.000 He's a fun dude, man.
01:42:14.000 Had him in here.
01:42:15.000 We got barbecued.
01:42:17.000 Derek Lewis.
01:42:20.000 Alexander Volkov.
01:42:22.000 Ooh, that's an interesting fight.
01:42:24.000 That Volkov guy might be the dark horse.
01:42:26.000 He might be the guy in the heavyweight division, waiting in the wings, you know?
01:42:33.000 Karate hottie versus Felice is going to be good.
01:42:35.000 Yeah, that's a good one.
01:42:37.000 Yeah.
01:42:39.000 Yeah, I'm interested in the Ferguson fight for sure, the Pettis-Ferguson fight, but the Louis-Volkov fight, man.
01:42:48.000 That one I'm like, huh.
01:42:51.000 That Volkov guy, did you see what he did for Arisio Verdum?
01:42:54.000 When you watch that fight, you go, oh Jesus Christ.
01:42:57.000 If that guy could do that, he stopped Fabrizio Verdum. 0.96
01:43:01.000 He beat the shit out of him before he stopped him. 0.93
01:43:03.000 Who's the Russian guy who puts dudes in Ezekiel chokes while he's being mounted? 1.00
01:43:08.000 Who's that dude?
01:43:08.000 Olenek, right?
01:43:09.000 That guy is awesome.
01:43:10.000 Alexei Olenek?
01:43:11.000 Yeah, he gets mounted in Ezekiel's dudes from the mouth.
01:43:13.000 He does it from everywhere.
01:43:14.000 From while he's being mounted.
01:43:16.000 Yeah, Jean-Jacques does that too.
01:43:17.000 That is so crazy.
01:43:19.000 But to do that in MMA with the gloves on is like unheard of.
01:43:23.000 Unbelievable.
01:43:24.000 Yeah.
01:43:25.000 While being mounted, putting people to sleep.
01:43:28.000 You think you're ever going to see that again?
01:43:30.000 I think he has the ability to do it.
01:43:33.000 No, but I mean from other people.
01:43:34.000 Do you think that would be something that people start adopting?
01:43:38.000 If fighters put the time in, all submissions are possible.
01:43:44.000 You just got to put a lot of time into it.
01:43:45.000 You got to get obsessed with it.
01:43:47.000 Yeah, but that's one that's like, wow.
01:43:49.000 What are the odds of that one working a lot?
01:43:51.000 One guy's been able to pull it off.
01:43:53.000 Who else has been able to pull it off?
01:43:54.000 But he does it multiple times.
01:43:55.000 I've seen him do it twice.
01:43:57.000 Twice?
01:43:58.000 I've seen him do it twice.
01:43:59.000 I haven't seen the third one, but I've seen two of them.
01:44:02.000 Standing guillotine chugs.
01:44:05.000 So who got a standing guillotine?
01:44:06.000 This is a five-minute compilation of them.
01:44:08.000 I don't know.
01:44:08.000 There's a lot of them, apparently.
01:44:10.000 Standing guillotines.
01:44:11.000 Yeah, but this is not what we're talking about, though.
01:44:14.000 We're talking about, it's called an Ezekiel, mounted Ezekiel.
01:44:18.000 Jamie's just making up some missions over here.
01:44:21.000 Standing guillotines, pretty common.
01:44:23.000 MMA, Ezekiel, E-Z-E-I-K-E-L. Isn't Ezekiel the dude from the Bible?
01:44:30.000 It is.
01:44:31.000 The guy from the Bible that saw the UFO? Oh yeah, that was the first ever one in the UFC. That one in the UFC, yes.
01:44:36.000 But Ezekiel chokes in MMA. Just Google Ezekiel chokes in MMA. What's the guy's name?
01:44:42.000 That's the only one?
01:44:43.000 The top five videos are just him doing it.
01:44:46.000 Oh, he's done it more than...
01:44:47.000 How many times has he done it?
01:44:48.000 It's all him.
01:44:49.000 Oh, the same fight?
01:44:50.000 Oh, the one fight?
01:44:51.000 Play it just so we can watch it again.
01:44:52.000 It's pretty crazy.
01:44:54.000 It's crazy that someone can figure out a way to do something that no one has ever done before in 2018. So he gets the headlock, and then he's just holding on, and then he slides it in deeper, and then this dude's fucked. 0.98
01:45:09.000 Look at him, he's tapping. 0.99
01:45:10.000 That is so crazy.
01:45:11.000 Yeah.
01:45:12.000 That is so crazy.
01:45:13.000 He just clinches on your head.
01:45:15.000 That dude looks so disappointed. 0.99
01:45:18.000 He's like, how the fuck did I get tapped here? 0.98
01:45:20.000 Look at that. 0.99
01:45:20.000 He just clenches on that neck and then just slips it in. 0.99
01:45:24.000 He thought he had this one in the bag.
01:45:26.000 Full mount. 1.00
01:45:27.000 He's like, I got this motherfucker in full mount. 1.00
01:45:28.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:45:29.000 He's thinking about the after party and everything.
01:45:32.000 Yeah.
01:45:33.000 Alexey Olenek. 1.00
01:45:35.000 That's a bad motherfucker right there. 0.98
01:45:36.000 It's interesting how many people that we're seeing right now from Russia, you know, from the former Soviet Union, Eastern Bloc countries. 0.99
01:45:44.000 It's really amazing.
01:45:45.000 I mean, Zabit, Nurmagomedov, you know, you can keep going down the line.
01:45:52.000 There's so many of these guys that are coming up.
01:45:53.000 It's really, what a hotbed of talent, especially Dagestan. 0.99
01:45:57.000 I mean, how many bad motherfuckers come out of Dagestan? 1.00
01:46:00.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:46:00.000 Whew. 1.00
01:46:04.000 Khabib versus Conor. 0.98
01:46:05.000 Like, holy shit, is that fight interesting? 0.99
01:46:07.000 What the fuck is gonna happen there? 0.99
01:46:09.000 If it really happens, you know what I mean? 0.99
01:46:11.000 You don't think it's gonna happen?
01:46:11.000 Don't say that.
01:46:12.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00
01:46:14.000 Look at him there. 1.00
01:46:15.000 I mean, how weird is it looking at Conor with no belt, Khabib with the belt? 0.95
01:46:20.000 I mean, forever Khabib was trying to get a shot at that belt.
01:46:25.000 And the way he won it. 1.00
01:46:28.000 Crazy shit, man. 1.00
01:46:29.000 Setting up this fight. 1.00
01:46:30.000 This fight is a fucking interesting fight, man, because if Conor can't stop that takedown, does he go the way of everybody else? 0.98
01:46:38.000 Does he get mauled the way everybody else got mauled? 0.98
01:46:41.000 Does he get mauled the way Michael Johnson got mauled?
01:46:44.000 Does he get mauled the way...
01:46:46.000 Dos Anjos? 0.81
01:46:47.000 Dos Anjos got mauled.
01:46:50.000 Chandler?
01:46:51.000 Oh, not Chandler.
01:46:52.000 Johnson?
01:46:53.000 Michael Johnson?
01:46:54.000 Yeah, we just had Johnson.
01:46:55.000 Oh, you did?
01:46:55.000 Okay.
01:46:56.000 Edson Barboza, where he got mauled.
01:46:58.000 The way Barboza got mauled was scary, because halfway into the first round, Khabib's taking him down, and you see Barboza just taking a deep breath like this, like...
01:47:09.000 Like, realizing, like, oh no.
01:47:11.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:47:11.000 Like, what in the fuck is all this about? 0.99
01:47:13.000 It's worse than I imagined. 0.98
01:47:15.000 Yeah, this is just a completely different thing.
01:47:17.000 Really, I mean, no doubt, Conor probably has the heaviest hands in the game, pound for pound.
01:47:23.000 No doubt.
01:47:24.000 But, takedown defense and fighting off your back.
01:47:27.000 That has nothing to do with the power.
01:47:29.000 It doesn't translate at all.
01:47:31.000 So, what is it going to look like?
01:47:33.000 Is his takedown defense better than Michael Johnson's?
01:47:38.000 Is his takedown defense better than Edson Barbosa?
01:47:42.000 Or Al Iaquinta, who's a wrestler.
01:47:45.000 Yeah.
01:47:45.000 I mean, Al stuffed his takedowns a couple times in the first round.
01:47:48.000 Yeah.
01:47:49.000 But, you know, Al's a really good wrestler.
01:47:52.000 Yeah.
01:47:53.000 How good is Conor's?
01:47:55.000 That's a good question.
01:47:56.000 Man, what if he gets...
01:47:58.000 What if he gets tired?
01:48:00.000 What if he gets taken down easier than all those other guys?
01:48:03.000 You don't know.
01:48:04.000 Right.
01:48:04.000 You know what I mean?
01:48:05.000 He's got Dylan Dannis in his corner.
01:48:07.000 Dylan is a...
01:48:08.000 I think he wrestled in high school.
01:48:10.000 And I'm not too sure...
01:48:13.000 He brought in some Olympic caliber wrestler for his camp.
01:48:17.000 Who did...
01:48:18.000 Conor brought in some super high level wrestler for his camp.
01:48:23.000 A famous one?
01:48:24.000 Yeah.
01:48:25.000 James can't find it.
01:48:26.000 A UFC fighter?
01:48:27.000 I don't believe he's a UFC fighter.
01:48:30.000 Say it again?
01:48:31.000 Is it Kyle Snyder?
01:48:32.000 Does it say that?
01:48:33.000 It says he offered to help him.
01:48:34.000 I don't know if that's who he really brought in.
01:48:35.000 I don't know who he brought in, but I know that there's some talk about him bringing in some super high-level wrestler.
01:48:41.000 This says that Jordan Burroughs is not working with Conor, which is, that might be who you're talking about.
01:48:45.000 Could be.
01:48:46.000 Well, that would be one who you would want to work with you. 0.95
01:48:49.000 That would be someone who you could ask, but Jordan Burroughs is probably fucking busy.
01:48:52.000 And has he expressed an interest in fighting in MMA? Because if he does, there's a lot of people that are fucked. 1.00
01:48:57.000 He tweeted out on the 13th of August, I'm not working with Conor, I'm attempting to win a world championship of my own in October. 0.96
01:49:03.000 It doesn't say it.
01:49:04.000 Wrestling?
01:49:05.000 Yeah, it didn't say it.
01:49:05.000 Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
01:49:08.000 He probably doesn't have time to help someone with a camp like that.
01:49:11.000 Especially at this point, he's taking off right now.
01:49:15.000 If he ever decides to go into MMA, yikes.
01:49:19.000 Yeah.
01:49:20.000 Yeah.
01:49:21.000 I wonder what's going to happen in that fight, man.
01:49:22.000 I just don't know whether or not Khabib's going to be able to close the distance without getting hit, whether Conor's going to be able to stay on the outside long enough, whether Khabib's going to come at him with reckless abandon the way he did with Edson Barboza.
01:49:32.000 He just stormed after Barboza, just walked him down.
01:49:35.000 Yeah.
01:49:35.000 Is he going to be able to do that with Conor, or is he going to get a clip coming in?
01:49:38.000 I mean, is he going to be able to fade that left hand?
01:49:42.000 Is he going to be able to stop that? 0.96
01:49:44.000 And if Conor could just keep him from taking him down a couple of times in the first round, just a couple of times, just enough to put a little bit of doubt, get a little bit of that shit-talking going, and land a couple of good punches. 0.90
01:49:56.000 Or does Khabib just grab him early? 0.97
01:49:59.000 Ragdoll! 0.95
01:49:59.000 Boom! 0.95
01:50:00.000 Side control! 0.97
01:50:01.000 Elbows!
01:50:02.000 Punch! 1.00
01:50:02.000 Knee on belly! 1.00
01:50:03.000 Punch! 1.00
01:50:04.000 Punch! 1.00
01:50:04.000 Punch! 1.00
01:50:05.000 Elbow!
01:50:05.000 Punch!
01:50:06.000 Do we just see a mauling?
01:50:08.000 It's interesting.
01:50:10.000 You know, it could go either way.
01:50:14.000 This is one of those weird fights where I don't know what the fuck's going to happen, but I don't think we're going to see some crazy drawn-out five-round fight.
01:50:21.000 I definitely could be wrong, but I think we're going to see one person dominate.
01:50:26.000 Whoever figures out how to impose their game, whether it's Conor can dominate on the feed or Khabib can dominate on the ground.
01:50:32.000 You think that'll be the biggest pay-per-view ever?
01:50:34.000 It's gonna be huge.
01:50:35.000 It's gonna be so big.
01:50:37.000 It's gonna be so big.
01:50:38.000 How could it not be the biggest one?
01:50:39.000 It'll be giant.
01:50:40.000 It'll be giant.
01:50:40.000 Conor's the biggest star, right?
01:50:42.000 The only thing that's gonna hold it back is mainstream knowledge of it because there's not a lot of press.
01:50:46.000 Because Conor's not doing a lot of stuff.
01:50:48.000 It's not in the news a lot.
01:50:49.000 How many of these regular people know that Conor's gonna fight?
01:50:52.000 You never see it on Instagram?
01:50:54.000 I mean, you see if you follow UFC pages.
01:50:57.000 If you and I see it, you and I see it.
01:50:59.000 We follow MMA pages, but... 1.00
01:51:01.000 Fuck, man. 1.00
01:51:02.000 Is Khabib doing interviews? 1.00
01:51:04.000 Is he talking?
01:51:04.000 I have no idea.
01:51:06.000 I don't know.
01:51:07.000 That means no, man. 1.00
01:51:08.000 If you don't know, shit. 1.00
01:51:09.000 Yeah, I don't know. 1.00
01:51:10.000 That means you haven't seen shit. 0.99
01:51:10.000 I haven't seen much. 0.99
01:51:12.000 I mean, I've seen some video footage of him training at AKA. The whole thing's crazy, man.
01:51:16.000 So, I mean, I'm crossing toes.
01:51:20.000 I'm crossing everything.
01:51:22.000 Just please let this one go down.
01:51:24.000 Please.
01:51:26.000 I can't imagine someone getting injured.
01:51:27.000 I'd be so depressed.
01:51:28.000 I wouldn't mind if someone got injured.
01:51:29.000 I'd be so sad.
01:51:30.000 Well, you wouldn't because Tony would jump in.
01:51:31.000 And it's still going to be a great fight. 0.99
01:51:34.000 Either way, the guarantee there's going to be some serious shit. 0.98
01:51:38.000 Either Tony versus Khabib, Tony versus Conor, or Conor versus Khabib. 0.98
01:51:42.000 I think Tony is one of the more dangerous fights for Conor.
01:51:45.000 Because first of all, his durability, his endurance is crazy.
01:51:49.000 His ability to fight from anywhere.
01:51:51.000 He fights real good standing up.
01:51:53.000 He puts a pace on you.
01:51:54.000 Doesn't mind getting hit.
01:51:55.000 Always walking forward.
01:51:56.000 Always walking forward and walking people down.
01:51:58.000 If you hit him, you can hit him and hurt him.
01:52:00.000 Doesn't matter. 0.60
01:52:01.000 He survives.
01:52:01.000 He survives.
01:52:02.000 Finds a way to survive.
01:52:03.000 And one little scramble clinch on the ground. 0.99
01:52:07.000 And there's a Darce right there.
01:52:08.000 I don't know if the Lando-Vanada fight is totally fair.
01:52:11.000 Because, you know, I mean, people look at that and they go, well, it is fair, but I think that was a last-minute fight.
01:52:16.000 Am I right?
01:52:18.000 He didn't really have a training camp for that one.
01:52:20.000 I don't know if it was because it was a last-minute fight or...
01:52:24.000 Why do I believe it was last-minute?
01:52:29.000 I'm not too sure.
01:52:30.000 All I know, I don't know what happened in that training camp, but it wasn't a legit training camp for Tony.
01:52:36.000 I'm not making excuses, but that's what happened.
01:52:39.000 Also, one of the reasons why, I don't know if you could look at that, if people are looking at it the right way, because I think Lando is way more talented.
01:52:50.000 I think in moments in his fights, he's just brilliant.
01:52:55.000 And I think then he gets tired sometimes and he has moments where he fades off and then moments where he's in these crazy wild slugfests.
01:53:02.000 Like the Bobby Green fight's a great example of that.
01:53:06.000 You watch the first round.
01:53:08.000 The first round, he looks smooth as silk, man.
01:53:10.000 I mean, he just looks fantastic.
01:53:12.000 He looks like a world beater.
01:53:13.000 But he tapers off.
01:53:15.000 He fades a little bit.
01:53:16.000 And I don't know what that is.
01:53:18.000 I'm not sure what's causing him to fade. 0.97
01:53:20.000 But I think that at his best, when he hits those real high notes like he did in the Tony fight, he's fucking dangerous, man. 0.86
01:53:27.000 Anybody who sleeps on Lando is in real trouble. 0.83
01:53:30.000 He's super athletic. 1.00
01:53:31.000 He does wild shit. 1.00
01:53:32.000 He's real creative. 1.00
01:53:34.000 Knocked out John McDessie with a fucking wheel kick. 1.00
01:53:36.000 I mean, whoa. 1.00
01:53:38.000 He does wild shit, man, and he moves good, dude. 1.00
01:53:41.000 He's got an interesting kind of way of moving, and he's not afraid to scrap. 1.00
01:53:46.000 And that not being afraid to scrap makes him dangerous, but also makes him vulnerable, which I think has cost him a little bit.
01:53:52.000 But I think a big one is the endurance.
01:53:55.000 You know, there's some people out there, like the guy that's working with TJ Dillashaw.
01:54:03.000 What is his name?
01:54:04.000 The guy down in Southern California, down near San Diego.
01:54:08.000 Um...
01:54:10.000 Calavita?
01:54:11.000 Is that his name?
01:54:12.000 What does he teach?
01:54:14.000 Strength and conditioning coaches.
01:54:15.000 Oh, okay.
01:54:15.000 What's his name?
01:54:16.000 I don't know.
01:54:17.000 I'll text TJ. See, just Google TJ Dillashaw new strength and conditioning program.
01:54:23.000 These guys, like the Nick Cursons and the...
01:54:26.000 Sam Calavita Sam Calavita that guy was he if you watch the preparation videos for TJ getting ready for Cody Dillashaw you see him doing all his wild shit man everyone's doing all these explosive crazy movements just like back when We saw when BJ was at his best,
01:54:47.000 when Marinovich was training him.
01:54:50.000 Yeah.
01:54:50.000 And, you know, Kurson comes from that school, too, you know, learning under the Marinovichs.
01:54:54.000 But that kind of crazy plyometric training, all this explosive shit that they're doing, box jumps and crazy things with medicine balls and slamming things and jumping back and forth and back and forth.
01:55:05.000 These guys are getting phenomenal shape, man. 0.93
01:55:07.000 Yeah.
01:55:08.000 And I think that's imperative today.
01:55:10.000 I think today, it's almost like when guys are getting ready for a fight, and this is one of the things that Nick Kurson has said, you already know how to fight.
01:55:18.000 Literally, everything should be focused on your gas tank.
01:55:21.000 You only have six weeks.
01:55:22.000 If you don't know how to fight, you're not going to learn in six weeks.
01:55:25.000 You know how to fight.
01:55:26.000 Six weeks should be just crazy gas tank work. 0.99
01:55:29.000 And when he gets guys like Dos Anjos, when he fought Cowboy, when he gets a hold of guys, and you see that style, like when Dos Anjos fought Pettis, when he's got that incredible kind of cardio, that's so hard to fuck with, man. 0.95
01:55:44.000 Yeah, you know the pommel horse? 0.95
01:55:45.000 Is that how you say it?
01:55:46.000 The pommel horse in gymnastics?
01:55:48.000 It's pommel, right?
01:55:48.000 Pommel, one of those things.
01:55:49.000 Is that it?
01:55:50.000 Well, in order to do that, you have to do this exercise where you put your feet, there's like a chain hanging and it's got like a weightlifting belt and you put your feet in your ankles and you start doing it on that and it just spins like this.
01:56:04.000 Oh, wow.
01:56:05.000 And Tony's obsessed with it.
01:56:07.000 Nobody can do it.
01:56:09.000 Like Jeremiah, Jeremy, Chai.
01:56:11.000 I bring in a bunch of 10th Planet Black belts in and no one can even kind of do it. 1.00
01:56:16.000 Well, can't Gio do it?
01:56:17.000 Seems like Gio and Richie will be able to do it.
01:56:19.000 He hasn't come to Tony's camp.
01:56:20.000 He's two hours away.
01:56:22.000 It's too hard for him.
01:56:23.000 But those guys because they're breakdancing background.
01:56:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's what he's he's really getting into Gymnastics right now Tony he's he's trying to take his Fighting well that was giant for George St. Pierre.
01:56:35.000 Yeah when GSP started getting into gymnastics, you know and Watching my daughter do it and watching like the amount of physical strength that it takes to do like Handsprings backflips and all that stuff all that it's all explosion and Being able to control yourself on the bars and the rings.
01:56:51.000 I mean, the amount of physical strength that you have to have to be able to do that, that applies directly to jiu-jitsu.
01:56:57.000 You thinking about putting some gymnastics equipment up?
01:56:59.000 Dude, I got rings already.
01:57:01.000 Oh, really?
01:57:01.000 I got rings in the back, son.
01:57:02.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
01:57:03.000 You think you're going to try to do an Ironman or what's it called? 1.00
01:57:06.000 Iron Cross?
01:57:07.000 I don't know if I could do that.
01:57:08.000 I'm too fat.
01:57:10.000 I'll hold it out like that.
01:57:13.000 I don't know, man.
01:57:14.000 But it's great for rotation, like as you're doing a chin-up, grabbing it like this, and then as you're doing a chin-up, rotating in.
01:57:25.000 So I rotate my arms with the rings as I'm doing chin-ups.
01:57:28.000 I like that a lot.
01:57:29.000 I feel like it gives me more of a range of motion than just a bar.
01:57:33.000 I like doing chin-ups on the bar too.
01:57:35.000 But I think that especially as I get older, range of motion is very important to not lose that.
01:57:40.000 I see a lot of people, they lose their range of motion because they're not working on their stretching.
01:57:44.000 They're not working on... 0.98
01:57:46.000 They just do a lot of meathead shit and they don't work on keeping their mobility at a high level. 0.99
01:57:53.000 That's why... 1.00
01:57:54.000 Another thing that I like is stretching out in the sauna.
01:57:57.000 You ever stretch out in the sauna, man?
01:57:58.000 I haven't done a sauna thing in a while.
01:58:01.000 Anytime you want some.
01:58:02.000 Come back.
01:58:02.000 We'll have some fun conversations in the sauna.
01:58:05.000 But getting in the sauna, man, and just you get super heated up and then just start stretching out like everything's loose and warmed up.
01:58:11.000 You can just pull things into better positions and just give everything like a stretch.
01:58:17.000 You still doing hot yoga?
01:58:18.000 All the time.
01:58:19.000 Love it.
01:58:19.000 I got to get back into it now.
01:58:21.000 Love it.
01:58:21.000 Now that my shoulders...
01:58:22.000 I think my shoulder could hang with yoga right now.
01:58:25.000 Yeah, just don't put any pressure on it.
01:58:26.000 You want to go with me?
01:58:28.000 Come with me to my class.
01:58:29.000 Let's do it.
01:58:29.000 Let's do it.
01:58:30.000 What days do you go?
01:58:31.000 Depends.
01:58:31.000 You don't go too early, dude.
01:58:33.000 Depends.
01:58:33.000 Yeah, I go, like, early.
01:58:34.000 Like, what's early?
01:58:35.000 I don't want to say.
01:58:36.000 I'll tell you.
01:58:36.000 Don't tell me no 6 a.m.
01:58:38.000 shit. 1.00
01:58:38.000 People show up. 1.00
01:58:39.000 5 a.m.
01:58:39.000 Oh, no, no, no.
01:58:40.000 Gotta go in the dark, dude.
01:58:41.000 That's what's up.
01:58:42.000 We'll do that Kundalini. 1.00
01:58:43.000 Fuck that. 1.00
01:58:44.000 Go to downtown L.A., the place where Denny used to go. 1.00
01:58:47.000 That Kundalini, you know, where you get that DMT trip.
01:58:51.000 Yeah, like 4 in the morning.
01:58:52.000 Yeah, they get crazy.
01:58:54.000 They headbang.
01:58:55.000 You see them headbanging?
01:58:57.000 I've heard about it.
01:58:58.000 Yeah, I've witnessed it.
01:58:59.000 You were telling me about it.
01:59:00.000 Yeah.
01:59:00.000 Like serious headbanging.
01:59:02.000 Like Metallica-style headbanging. 0.98
01:59:03.000 Just too many people that say that you could trip balls. 0.98
01:59:05.000 Yeah. 0.86
01:59:06.000 You're trying to shake out the DMT. Demons.
01:59:09.000 Trying to get demons out. 0.50
01:59:13.000 We should get out of here.
01:59:14.000 Anything else?
01:59:15.000 Anything else going on?
01:59:16.000 EBI 17 coming up.
01:59:18.000 When's that?
01:59:19.000 September 29th.
01:59:21.000 In three weeks. 0.99
01:59:22.000 Damn, I'm going to be in Toronto. 0.99
01:59:24.000 At Muscle Farm HQ in Burbank. 0.99
01:59:26.000 It's going to be the first 16-man.
01:59:28.000 Twitter permanently bans Alex Jones and Infowars accounts.
01:59:32.000 The accounts violated the company's abusive behavior policies, Twitter said, in a series of tweets.
01:59:37.000 The ban comes weeks after Jones was banned or suspended.
01:59:42.000 Well, anyways, September 29th is 16-man combat jiu-jitsu.
01:59:49.000 So EBI is just turning into combat jiu-jitsu.
01:59:51.000 And this is downtown LA again?
01:59:51.000 No, no.
01:59:52.000 This is Muscle Farm HQ in Burbank. 1.00
01:59:54.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
01:59:55.000 Beautiful facility. 1.00
01:59:56.000 That's an amazing place.
01:59:57.000 Oh, yeah.
01:59:57.000 Oh, yeah.
01:59:58.000 Dude, Jesse Taylor's in it from the UFC. Three-time black belt world champion Felipe Fogelin is in it.
02:00:08.000 One of the fastest rising 10th Planet stars, John Thor Blank is in it.
02:00:13.000 Kyle Chambers, who's also one of the best 10th Planet guys coming up.
02:00:17.000 It's going to be a slap fest, man.
02:00:20.000 Slap fest. 0.99
02:00:20.000 Combat Jiu-Jitsu, if you haven't seen it, is Eddie Bravo's invention. 0.99
02:00:24.000 It's the best gap between grappling and MMA training, as far as I'm concerned.
02:00:29.000 Thank you, man.
02:00:30.000 My man.
02:00:30.000 Thank you.
02:00:31.000 Fun times.
02:00:31.000 Thanks for doing this today.
02:00:32.000 Thank you, dude.
02:00:33.000 We'll have Daniel Cormier on eventually. 0.99
02:00:34.000 He fucked up today. 0.97
02:00:35.000 Can I plug a couple comedy dates? 1.00
02:00:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:00:37.000 Niagara Falls, tinfoil hat comedy at Niagara Falls, September 14th, 15th.
02:00:43.000 And then Philly, October 12th.
02:00:46.000 Syracuse, October 14th.
02:00:49.000 And Houston, November 3rd.
02:00:51.000 Austin, November 4th.
02:00:52.000 Just tell them what websites you go to so they don't have to forget this.
02:00:55.000 Eddie Bravo 10P. Eddie Bravo 10P. On Instagram.
02:00:59.000 Thank you.
02:01:00.000 And Toronto, we're moving that venue.
02:01:02.000 It was supposed to be the Ricoh Coliseum.
02:01:04.000 Now it's going to be the Scotiabank Arena. 1.00
02:01:06.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
02:01:07.000 It's because of a union dispute. 1.00
02:01:08.000 We talked about this before.
02:01:09.000 I'm not crossing any union picket lines.
02:01:12.000 So we moved to a new venue.
02:01:14.000 Is it bigger?
02:01:15.000 Yeah, it's bigger, but it's also a union venue.
02:01:18.000 It's just that they don't have a problem with their contract.
02:01:20.000 It's not the same dispute.
02:01:22.000 So I think it's the same union, in fact.
02:01:25.000 But when we go, when everybody from the old tickets gets their new tickets, then we'll sell, there's 1,200 more tickets for this new place.
02:01:33.000 So that'll be within the next couple days, I'm hoping.
02:01:36.000 Alright. 0.99
02:01:37.000 JoeRogan.com for all that shit. 1.00
02:01:38.000 Bye! 1.00
02:01:39.000 Thank you.