Dwayne Ludwig and TJ Dillashaw are two of the best jiu-jitsu coaches in the world. They have been around the MMA game for a long time and have been a part of the system for a lot of years now. They are one of the most respected jiu jitsu gurus in the business and have a great relationship with their fighters. We talk about how they have been able to create a system that is unique in the industry and how they are able to keep their fighters on track and on top of their game. We also talk about the importance of having a good relationship with your coach and how important it is to have a solid support system and a good support system when you re in jiujitsu and in life in general. We hope you enjoy this episode and stay tuned for our next episode next week. Thank you so much to Dwayne and TJ for coming on the pod. We really appreciate it and look forward to seeing you in the next episode! If you liked this episode, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and tell us what you thought of it. We re listening to you guys and gals what a great episode you think of it! XOXO, John Rocha and Joe Rogan. Thank you for listening and supporting this podcast. We appreciate you! -Jon Soriano and Jon Soriano. -The Best Jiu-Jitsu Podcasts: -John Rochao and Jon Rochano Jon & Joe Rogans John Rogan and Jon's YouTube channel: Jon's Podcast: Jon's Social Media: . & John's Socials: . & Jon s Socials Socials , . . Jon s Joe s Social media: , Jon s social media Tom s Social Media And Jon s Insta: & is Mike s socials: , , and Jon s Podcasts : ( ) ... ? Thanks Jon s Music: and John s Podcast Can t wait for you to listen to this episode? : , John s and his music: ) & his music is amazing or his music video can t wait to do more of this? & so much more! , etc. and more in the coming episodes? .
00:01:59.000But there are times to work out with the average guys, you know, not when I'm getting ready for a fight or don't want to get hurt, you know, kind of thing.
00:02:07.000And then his is a very controlled system when we're doing Dutch drills that it's not going to go crazy.
00:02:13.000You know, there's so many different approaches to training fighters.
00:02:40.000That makes me so sad when I see, like, fighter-trainer blowouts.
00:02:45.000When they separate and talk shit about each other, like, God, that's such a bummer.
00:02:49.000I think it's both of them having too big of an ego.
00:02:51.000One wants to be, like, the coach maybe coaching the fighter, wants to be more popular or whatever it may be, you know?
00:02:56.000And it just, I don't know, whenever Dwayne came into the gym and as soon as he was there from the first practice, I knew we were going to get along.
00:03:45.000A lot of that came from Sensei Rutten because he had the number system of three was jab cross hook rather than three just being the left hook.
00:03:53.000He sparked the initial interest to just start categorizing everything, putting things into a system, and it helped out.
00:04:02.000I'll get a text message in the middle of the night when we're coming up to a fight, and it'll be like 12, 1 o'clock, and even if he's in Colorado, it's 2 o'clock for him, and getting a random text message of what I should be doing for this fight.
00:04:13.000He's watching sparring tapes of what I was doing, and he changed this, and he changed that.
00:04:17.000I mean, this guy cares about my career just as much as I do, and that's why it works, you know?
00:05:38.000We're expanding and just continuing to grow and have a good positive outlet for people to explore their soul, right?
00:05:44.000That's why I'm here, is to teach martial arts.
00:05:47.000I'm glad everyone else is realizing that as well and I can cross paths with ninjas like TJ Dillashaw and help them become better martial artists.
00:05:56.000I'm 100% living vicariously through TJ and all my athletes and everybody under the BMT umbrella.
00:06:02.000It's a good way to give back and basically relive another career for the most part.
00:06:08.000And that's what we should be doing anyway, is paying the positive lessons forward.
00:06:12.000On to the next generation, and that's the definition of sensei, actually, meaning history teacher, teacher, you know, from those who've come before you.
00:06:19.000And to have somebody like TJ, as dedicated as he is, it's a true blessing.
00:06:26.000Yeah, it's just rare that you find all-in coach and all-in fighter, and they get together, and you guys have such unique working experiences.
00:06:37.000If I'm not completely full-blown into it, I mentally am fucked when I get home.
00:06:43.000Now, coming off of this second victory over Cody and then being able to stop him even quicker this time and just all the crazy shit talking that led up to that fight and the results of the first fight, I mean, that's got to be very satisfying to you that everything is going according to plan.
00:07:07.000It was like two years of just bullshit, having to deal with that in my life.
00:07:10.000And that's not the kind of person I am.
00:07:12.000I'd rather be in the mountains than you'd not be able to get ahold of me hunting or just camping.
00:07:16.000If I could disappear, I'd take the advantage to do it.
00:07:19.000So that crazy attention and just the shit-talking, the TV show, them accusing me of everything, that took a lot.
00:07:26.000And so for all that to be taken off my shoulders feels great.
00:07:29.000For you, though, that's got to be a real feeling of retribution, too.
00:07:35.000No matter what they said, you had the right idea.
00:07:38.000They might not have been happy that you decided to do it for yourself and the right move for yourself was to go to Colorado and be with Dwayne, but obviously you were right.
00:09:16.000Everything he talks about, I have to be at his house for hours, pretty much doing a podcast with him to figure out what he's talking about.
00:09:22.000It usually always goes over your head.
00:09:27.000And so as soon as he started showing me the science behind what my body needs to do for my diet, my recovery, the days I'm working out, the way I'm doing my strength conditioning, if I'm going to go bigger or how far I am from camp, everything has a rhyme and reason.
00:09:41.000Every calorie I eat, every macronutrients I eat, he's got it written down.
00:09:46.000He's like this guy who stays up late and works.
00:09:49.000And he doesn't do it for the money or the pride.
00:11:33.000You almost go paleo, keto, kind of, but obviously our bodies can't do that because I need the simple carbs and the carbs to run off and stuff.
00:11:41.000I don't want to give away all his secrets, but he's changed up a lot with me.
00:11:46.000You don't want to give away all the secrets, but when it comes to nutrition, what kind of protein does he have you eating?
00:13:27.000But I did just get a Tesla, so I'm supporting the podcast.
00:13:31.000Well, not like I just dropped 50 grand.
00:13:33.000You go on the website, you punch in the information, you put in a $1,000 deposit, and then you've got to wait for a while for it to be built, so it's not like I dropped 50 grand.
00:13:41.000And then I'm going to lease it through the business anyway, but I've been wanting to get one for a while.
00:13:45.000It's funny, man, how Subarus, they've proven themselves in Colorado just for reliability.
00:16:09.000That was my one problem with the new NSX, was how quiet it was, because it's a hybrid.
00:16:13.000So I'm like, like I said, I was one of three cars in the United States right now that have a custom exhaust for it to make it sound a lot better.
00:16:19.000This guy out in Chicago, a B-Rogue, I think it is, has designed an exhaust for it.
00:16:25.000You know, that car is also, even though it's inaccurate, that car is made and designed in the United States.
00:19:54.000I mean, you're going from 8,000 to 10, 11, 12,000 feet.
00:19:58.000You know, hike two or three of those mountains and you're toast when you get back.
00:20:02.000Hey man, when you do that, bring that Shroom Tech Sport.
00:20:06.000Any cordyceps mushroom supplement, anything along those lines, that's literally how it came about.
00:20:12.000They realized these high-altitude cattle herders were realizing that their cows were more active when they were eating these certain mushrooms.
00:21:36.000But just, it's a phenomenal supplement.
00:21:39.000And if you're doing anything high altitude, it will absolutely increase your endurance.
00:21:44.000That is one of the only supplements that I'll tell people, look, if you're skeptical about any of this shit, please, I want you to, before you work out, an hour before you take four shroom tech sports and get ready, because you're going to have an extra gear.
00:21:57.000You've got one extra gear in training.
00:24:24.000I tested for arsenic once, but I was eating sardines.
00:24:27.000I was eating a lot of sardines, and apparently they live around the bottom of the ocean, and they get a lot of the heavy metal poisons from that way.
00:24:35.000That's crazy, but it makes sense with rice.
00:24:39.000But everyone's got different supplements.
00:24:40.000It just depends on what's in your body, what you need to get back to perfect homeostasis.
00:24:45.000And then he adds the certain amino muscle building and ubiquinol and the krill oils and things like that for building new red blood cells and things like that.
00:25:42.000Well, he must apply that science to his understanding of energy and of intensity because like the way you guys train, it's very intense, very explosive.
00:25:51.000It reminds me a lot of what I'm seeing at least of like Marv Marinovich's type training, like a lot of plyometrics, a lot of things along those lines.
00:31:54.000That's literally what they're doing, what they're doing to your back.
00:31:57.000I've had, for whatever, over 100 fights or whatever, and have my neck jacked up and wrestling in shots, and I've had a pretty significant injury where I couldn't change lanes and turn and drive and then go get adjusted and be back to square one.
00:32:09.000I think I've done the same thing with massage.
00:32:12.000I think there's something to people touching you and working on stuff and loosening you up in a way that you can't do.
00:32:18.000And I'm not saying that there's not good chiropractors out there that really understand all the other things like cold laser therapy and different kinds of manipulation in terms of muscle stretching and what is that type of rolfing?
00:33:22.000There's different kinds of air quote healers that have different systems that they think they can push down the middle of your back and cure your pancreas.
00:35:24.000But you get a lot of information in in that one minute of the corner time.
00:35:27.000That's what I talked about because that's why I talk fast.
00:35:30.000This is why I'm wired, why I talk fast.
00:35:32.000I got about 30 seconds to talk and relay information, which is also why I have the actual system and code all the drills and combinations so I can condense it.
00:35:40.000I don't want to say, jab, cross, hit, cross, three.
00:35:42.000For instance, you can get in the corner for my AC Tomorrow fight, tell me what to do, and I walk out there and 30 seconds later I knock him out or whatever it is.
00:35:49.000Because you're able to get the information off and there's a system to it.
00:35:53.000There's routines and there's patterns of success.
00:35:57.000There are higher percentage drills and combinations that have been proven to be successful.
00:36:00.000Well, how about we just keep practicing those?
00:36:02.000Obviously, it's up to the athlete to find the timing, distance, and accuracy to pull them off.
00:36:06.000You have to believe in the system, too.
00:36:10.000If I didn't believe exactly what Dwayne was telling me or that he can see it, that I know he can see it because he's good at it, Why are you really going to go out there and do what he says?
00:36:20.000Whenever he gave me information, I did not doubt it at all as I knew he's been there and done that.
00:36:24.000And it wasn't stuff that he felt he would do.
00:36:26.000It's stuff that he knew that I should do, right?
00:36:28.000And I feel like I understand TJ and I could give him the proper information for the proper time.
00:36:32.000But also I know when to sit back and let him flow as well, right?
00:36:35.000And when to chipe in and give him information.
00:36:37.000And he's really good about receiving information as a case in point.
00:36:41.000The first fight with Cody, between the rounds, we had to drastically change things, and what we needed to change was just the timing of our attack.
00:37:08.000I found a good rhythm of us, as far as pulling off information, as far as the pads, the class, sparring, and so it's like we're layering it up, we're practicing it in class, now we're sparring with it, and then going back to what we need to work on.
00:37:22.000So I found a really good pyramid for TJ to retain, or for anyone to retain the information.
00:37:27.000Kind of condensing it into three days, it was really fun.
00:38:01.000I mean, there are unquestionably professional fighters around them, but it's not like they're in a building with six other world champions, and there's a bunch of savages that are coming up, and everybody's trying to kill each other.
00:38:34.000When these big gyms turn into something that wants to make money, then the real martial arts comes out of it.
00:38:38.000When you have coaches and people running it that are really going to I have a gym in the training lab, so I'm very fortunate that I have Steve Martin, a guy that's been...
00:38:48.000He's put his heart and soul into this thing to keep this building open because we're not making money.
00:38:55.000I teach a kids' class and we do adult boot camp kind of things just to turn the lights on, just so the bills are paid and some sponsors here and there to pay the coaches.
00:39:04.000We're losing money and thank God that we have a guy like Steve Martin that's willing to see our dream, that we want to build a team that is not based around money, that it's...
00:39:13.000Whatever money we end up making from the gym is going every dollar to the coaches.
00:39:23.000Because then you get that weird business relationship rather than us just having a real relationship like me wanting him to get better, him wanting me to get better, which I felt like maybe used to kind of be that way at Alpha Male, but it's turned into a money thing to where...
00:40:06.000I've turned into a real professional athlete sport instead of just going to the gym and going ham.
00:40:12.000Everywhere from my diet, everywhere from the times I work out, my schedule, my recovery.
00:40:18.000Luckily I'm having Dwayne that's able to travel out with me.
00:40:23.000I built an awesome facility right now with Mark Munoz circling back around, being a coach, Daryl Christian, Felipe De Monica, and all these guys.
00:40:32.000It's not money-driven, so it's doing great right now.
00:41:09.000And then recently built a giant place with dormitories and everything.
00:41:13.000That guy, out of all the people, he's probably the pioneer of digging deep into his wallet and putting together a crazy gym set up like that.
00:41:36.000And then, but we're also really, so yeah, you could be really good and we want you in our gym, but if you have the right personality as well too.
00:41:41.000It's not only about your skill to come and train with our gym and be a pro athlete there, but you also got a vibe with us.
00:42:36.000You remember a lot of, when I was younger, the more aggressive, meaner people, when you would find out more about them, you'd find out there was child abuse, dad used to beat him up, stepdad beat him up.
00:42:47.000There was always something that they were trying to get back at people for.
00:42:51.000I feel like the sport is changing enough now that it's a very common thing that kids want to do, and so now you have kids with a good upbringing wanting to do it.
00:43:00.000Yeah, it's a challenging possible career now.
00:43:04.000And a fighter, you know, a young kid coming up sees someone like you, and they go, okay, look at this guy.
00:43:11.000Super respectful, articulate, real friendly, doesn't have a chip on his shoulder, likes shaking hands and taking pictures and being around people.
00:43:41.000When he actually went to the fucking White House and put the thing on Donald Trump's desk, gave him the belt, I was like, that is hilarious.
00:47:33.000I'm wondering if you read that from watching the videos previously and seeing that little gap in his combination and was able to beat him to the punch or if he just duck and chucked.
00:47:41.000I'm curious to see if that was something they trained and sought out or...
00:47:47.000He's coming in with his strongest punch, his cross, that he's knocked many people out with and he just stepped into it and beat him to the punch.
00:48:24.000Like lightning, landed that right hand, beat the shit out of him on the ground.
00:48:27.000It was just shocking to me that Darren didn't know what to do when he was on his back.
00:48:33.000That's how I thought the fight was going to go.
00:48:35.000Him just be on top of him the whole fight.
00:48:37.000I thought Tyron was just going to outwrestle him and be on top.
00:48:40.000I thought maybe that was part of the strategy too, especially when you saw them warming up because Tyron was doing a lot of exchanges and then shoots for a double or closes the distance, level changes.
00:48:50.000They did that when he was working with boxing coaches as well.
00:48:54.000He would hit the mitts and then move in, level change.
00:48:58.000But I was just, like, Till didn't understand that Darce was coming, or didn't know.
00:49:02.000But then you gotta wonder, how battered was he?
00:49:05.000Took that big shot, took a lot of hard elbows on the ground.
00:50:40.000Whatever works the best for you, is that what you've got to figure out?
00:50:43.000Is it better for you to fight someone like Cody that you have all this animosity and beef towards and all this shit-talking because you get super hyped up and motivated every day?
00:50:53.000Or is it better to fight someone who you have a lot of respect for, who is just a good challenge?
00:51:00.000I think you've got to learn to be the same person for every fight.
00:51:04.000I think it's like, control those emotions.
00:51:07.000Even though there was all that coming in, like, I'm nervous to fight.
00:51:40.000Not the same person every fight, but mentally in your own head the same person.
00:51:44.000Technically, you need to be able to switch it up.
00:51:46.000The mental aspect of it is probably the thing that holds more people back than anything.
00:51:50.000We all know of guys that are just monsters in the gym and for whatever it Was when they would go to compete, they just could never be their full self.
00:52:00.000TJ does better in the cage than he does in the gym.
00:52:03.000I did better in the gym than in the cage.
00:52:07.000What do you think it is that makes you do better?
00:52:55.000He struggles to get down to 25. 25. He's way over 35. Especially with the coach I have now, Sam Calvita.
00:53:03.000I was told I was going to fight Demetrius Johnson the summer before I fought Cody the first time because Cody had to pull out because of his back.
00:53:10.000Within three weeks of time, I got down to waking up to 140 pounds by changing the way I'm working out, changing my calories, changing my maconutrients, and just going full bore.
00:53:19.000I was able to start waking up in the morning at 140 pounds within three weeks.
00:53:22.000And so, right now, you're about 10 plus pounds heavier than that, and how much time would you need, like, if they said, hey, December 31st, New Year's Eve, super five, what?
00:53:32.000Yeah, my coach always wants, like, the, like, actual, like, he told me, like, before, after my last fight, I mean, he's 16 weeks, but, I mean, obviously, we could do it a lot faster.
00:53:39.000I could have made 25s this last fight, with how much water I had in me, the hydration that he's got me going on when I get close to a fight, too, is...
00:54:18.000I mean, when you deplete yourself like that, like you're talking about Darren Till maybe cutting too much weight, that could definitely be a possibility.
00:54:30.000It's trying to find the right balance where you're big for the weight class, but you're not diminishing yourself really drastically to get down to your weight class.
00:54:39.000And the Henry Cejudo thing also entertains me so much because he's a gold medalist.
00:54:43.000He wants to claim himself as the greatest combat athlete ever.
00:55:35.000There's nothing been serious, but there's been hints, and we did our media tour together, and they put us on camera together, and had us talk shit to each other.
00:57:05.000Yeah, I mean, for your pace and your endurance, that's got to be a big benefit to know that your body's 100% healthy going in there in terms of, like, not being dehydrated.
00:57:14.000And there's so many guys, you see them on the day of the weigh-in, you go, I don't know how the fuck you're going to fight in 24 hours.
00:57:20.000I think head trauma is a lot more prevalent when you're dehydrated.
00:57:23.000Going through camp, I've known some guys that have cut a lot of weight and it's already hindered their careers because you're having those all-out spars.
00:57:33.000You have to go as hard as you can in sparring when you're ready for a fight.
00:59:03.000Because TJ was saying, you know, he spars hard sometimes, right?
00:59:05.000So I try to have my guys, if you know what I'm saying, so sparring hard, because you do have to spar hard, but we would have him do that once a week.
00:59:12.000But we do a whole bunch of sparring drills throughout the week as well to get better technically, understand the distance and the timing.
00:59:18.000But you do need to spar hard, but it's not like you're...
00:59:21.000If you're not hurting the guy, if he's rocked or whatever, you're not going to knock him out.
00:59:24.000But you're throwing with good force too because you do have to experience that for sure.
00:59:28.000If he's rocked, you just hit him to the body.
00:59:38.000I wanted to make sure that was clear because that's one of the things I feel I've been able to do is dissect the chaos of a fight and slowly manipulate it so we can actually understand the layers and get better at it.
00:59:48.000And that helped a lot with the actual drilling and sparring, drilling and sparring and then the fight itself.
00:59:53.000Have you ever found any core drills or ab drills that allow you to absorb punches or kicks better?
01:00:01.000Is there anything that you've shown that you've ever figured out that really does?
01:00:03.000I don't know if it helps, but we do it.
01:00:05.000I mean, our coach throws medicine balls against it.
01:00:08.000We're doing motion movements or bouncing on a tire or doing almost like a burpee motion or something, getting back to your feet and slamming a big medicine ball into your stomach.
01:00:16.000I mean, I just think the impact without hurting yourself is going to help ultimately.
01:00:22.000And then just having a stronger core in general.
01:04:00.000Yeah, well, there's certainly rules that you have to follow that you don't have to follow in regular wrestling.
01:04:05.000You know, that's the case with jiu-jitsu as well.
01:04:07.000It certainly helps to learn jiu-jitsu.
01:04:10.000One of the things I don't know if you guys are paying attention to, but Eddie Bravo came up with a thing called combat jiu-jitsu, which is sort of an intermediary step between regular jiu-jitsu and MMA. And it's basically jiu-jitsu with bitch slaps.
01:05:38.000The idea behind it was created by Eddie because he wanted to make it just a little bit more realistic on the ground, just add this other element to it.
01:05:46.000Because there's times where guys are going for leg locks, and your face is wide open, you're committing both your arms to the person's leg, and that person's in a position where they can just smash your face.
01:05:57.000And if you're used to that in the jiu-jitsu gym where a guy can't punch you, and you just think you're safe, and you always practice in that way.
01:06:22.000You want to get better, you want self-defense, you want to compete because there's a different way you have to approach things for sure.
01:06:27.000Which is why TJ can be on the same mat with regular students in my gym because he's doing slightly of a different drill in combination with more contact than the average person.
01:06:57.000He knows jiu-jitsu for MMA. Just like you were saying, Mark Munoz wrestling for MMA, and I probably have striking for MMA. TJ has a really good camp around him.
01:07:06.000I would have liked to be in his position.
01:07:07.000Now, with the understanding of martial arts, I'm not going to hijack the podcast.
01:07:41.000But it's so critical, the relationship that you guys have, because I think he can add so much in terms of what he understands, and your acceptance of him and your appreciation of him allows you guys to fully integrate to this one project of TJ Dillashaw world champion, making you the best you can be.
01:08:00.000If there was any sort of conflict, or you've got to be number one, or you don't want to listen to him, I'm going to do what I want to do today.
01:08:06.000That shit happens all the time with coaches and fighters.
01:08:08.000And then sometimes you don't hear about it until after the fight.
01:09:00.000Something I breathe into at certain times, certain time lengths.
01:09:04.000Like different intervals throughout training camp.
01:09:09.000Instead of living and breathing altitude, I'd rather get the recovery and the hard training from sea level and then use the altitude to get in that hypoxic state.
01:09:18.000So the reason why less oxygen in the air, you create more red blood cells.
01:09:22.000And the more red blood cells you have, the more oxygen you transport.
01:09:25.000And so they're thinking if you go down to sea level, you're going to have more oxygen in transport.
01:09:29.000but your body hasn't able to train as hard and recover as it can at sea level and then use the hypoxic state by breathing in this machine To get the red blood cell production Okay, so you can get the benefits of altitude without having to live there What I had heard is that the best move was to train at sea level but live at altitude I don't think your recovery is good enough.
01:10:57.000I knew no matter where I fought that I would always be ready to go because I was born and raised in Colorado, so I didn't care where I was.
01:11:03.000One of my goals was to get tired because I knew if I was tired that that motherfucker was dead tired, so let's go.
01:11:09.000You guys like Calavita make my head hurt.
01:11:35.000And how many athletes is he working with?
01:11:38.000It's a pretty small group, I mean, and it's growing now, because obviously the name is growing, and more athletes that we're getting along with.
01:11:45.000We do it at the gym as well, too, but there's a small group of guys that still go to his garage and do it there.
01:11:51.000It's kind of like our varsity team, I guess you would say, you know?
01:11:55.000Once you've proved yourself enough in the gym, you can get, which has happened, guys have come to our gym, they've worked out with us, we've got along with them, they become like, you know, family, and then we bring them into the garage.
01:12:06.000So I'd say he's got, let's see, Cub, Juan, Aaron Pico, Syed, Spike, I don't know, I'd say we've probably got like, Eight, nine guys that will come to his garage and work out.
01:16:09.000Well, there were talks about that for Floyd and Conor, but I don't think it was real.
01:16:12.000What I mean is a guy who gets as big as Mayweather has gotten in the UFC, and a guy who gets as big as he got in MMA with Bellator, and then they have some giant ass fucking super fights.
01:16:24.000I just think for the athletes it's better if there's choices, and it's good for you.
01:16:29.000It's not just choices, it's more competitive, and when it's more competitive they try harder to do a good job for the athletes, make it attractive to the athletes.
01:16:37.000Like if you're a football player, you can go to a bunch of different places to play.
01:16:42.000But if you're a fighter, you got like two spots.
01:16:45.000You got Bellator and you got the UFC. It's like there's two teams out there.
01:16:51.000I think it'd be way better for fighters.
01:16:53.000I don't think that boxing is a clean system and I think boxing definitely has its flaws in terms of like promotion and how fighters are treated.
01:17:01.000Why this fight's happening with Triple G and Canelo when it should have already been over.
01:17:15.000It's crazy that no one's doing anything to fix it.
01:17:17.000There's people that have passed bad calls that should just be removed.
01:17:21.000So you don't understand professional high-level fighting.
01:17:24.000There needs to be like a grading system.
01:17:25.000If you see these judges and they've made like, look, this person's made like four bad choices, four bad decisions, you're out.
01:17:31.000I think they should go through a training course and be tested on it.
01:17:35.000Just like I test my students for their ranking in the system, right?
01:17:38.000Be able to go through this information and get better and pass the test or not judge the fight.
01:17:42.000Or let a fight go through and let some quality judges judge it and then test those results versus their results, right?
01:17:48.000How do they judge it and compare those notes to see?
01:17:50.000Because we're dealing with people's careers and their livelihood and lots on the line with these people aren't making the correct decisions from their lack of education that they could definitely get better at.
01:18:01.000When they start pointing at some old fighters, maybe ex-fighters, retired fighters, as far as being the judges, but then maybe there's some holdback on that from, what would you think?
01:18:12.000That's totally possible, but I think you're better off with those fighters and their bias than someone who really doesn't understand the sport.
01:18:20.000Because they'll be afraid of being called out, too, if you continue to see the decisions they're making.
01:18:40.000But you need people that understand martial arts, and there's a lot of the people that are judges that just have no background, which to me is crazy.
01:21:14.000One of the things that a lot of people were almost like wondering or down on him or trying to look for something to criticize was when Justin Gaethje knocked out James Vick, cracks him, drops him, smashes him, stops him.
01:21:28.000Everyone is going crazy and look at Trevor.
01:22:26.000And people criticized him for the Damien Maia fight and the Wonderboy Thompson fight, but because those fights were boring, that's the way you have to fight those guys.
01:23:43.000He's figured out a way to manage his energy correctly, and if you see the countdown shows too, he's doing a bunch of crazy strength and conditioning shit too, which I kind of think everybody has to do now, right?
01:23:54.000We're going to ESPN. It's a real fucking sport.
01:23:59.000Like I told you, my training schedule is a full-time job.
01:24:01.000It's hard for me to get anything else done when I'm in training camp.
01:24:04.000Now, when you're not in training camp, like now, you're out of camp, how many days a week are you working out?
01:24:09.000Lately, I've only been doing my strength conditioning with Sam, so when I'm back in town a couple times a week, I'm going to go back out to Colorado and I'll spend every day at Dwayne's doing kickboxing.
01:24:20.000I'll probably start going to Gracie Baja.
01:25:20.000But I mean, for the gi competition, as long as that's all legal, that's great.
01:25:24.000But I mean, for someone learning martial arts, whether it's for self-defense or for me, what I found about doing gi is it really improved my no-gi submission defense because it was so easy to control me with the gi.
01:25:38.000Because if someone's grabbing your collar and grabbing your sleeve...
01:26:11.000I mean, if you're gonna compete in jiu-jitsu, then wear a gi, but if it's for self-defense, then I would actually train with no gi.
01:26:17.000I say that, but if you're in New York and you're wearing a leather coat, in the winter, dude, imagine what Ronda Rousey could do to someone who had a winter coat on, talk shit to her with a jean jacket on, bitch, you're flying on your head.
01:26:54.000Kind of like what you were saying, changing who I am because of where I'm at in my life and my family now.
01:27:00.000I wish I could train more outside of fight camp.
01:27:02.000I wish I had more time to get in the gym and train, but I'm going everywhere, getting pulled in every direction, creating businesses to try to set up my future.
01:27:09.000I know you've got your seasoning business.
01:28:27.000What you do is you pour wood pellets, and these pellets are made, like if someone makes a table like this, the natural sawdust from an actual table, they just compress it, and the natural sugars in the sawdust force it to form into these little pellets, these little tubular pellets, and you can snap them with your fingers.
01:28:47.000But they go through this worm drive onto a heating element, and it's just fire and wood.
01:31:57.000And, you know, these guys like my friend Aaron Schneider who runs Kefaro's, one of the best backpack companies in the world, they make hunting backpacks and wilderness backpacks.
01:32:06.000And it's like, you used to be able to go eight miles down the trailhead and there would be nobody.
01:32:11.000He goes, now you go there, there's three tents.
01:32:12.000You know, it's because other guys are learning how to do this too.
01:32:15.000And they're realizing this, especially high country mule deer, which is an insanely difficult animal to hunt because they're so switched on because every day they're running for mountain lions.
01:33:46.000Once you experience these, I mean, even if you're not into hunting, I always advise people, just please, just go hiking deep into the backcountry.
01:33:54.000Just take a six, seven mile hike deep into the backcountry and just, it'll put it in perspective for you.
01:34:00.000Like, those two and a half days I spent in Colorado, I hiked probably 20 miles by myself with no one.
01:35:10.000When it's hot, they bed down all day long.
01:35:11.000And that's why they come nocturnal as well.
01:35:13.000It's cool enough for them to expend energy to go get food.
01:35:17.000To where if you go in the middle of the day at 12 o'clock, you have to spot them with your binos laying down and hopefully sneak up on them and not let them see you or wait for them to get up and start feeding and then sneak up on them.
01:35:28.000Now when you go out there, do you have the creeks mapped out or are you hauling in water?
01:37:48.000You know, I gotta lead by example and I love it.
01:37:50.000So that's what I've done since I was eight.
01:37:52.000You know, I started with the Kyokushin karate and just been on it since then.
01:37:55.000Man, when he comes out to the training lab and throws the gear on and holds mitts, for me, Cub, Juan, like, he just did like three hours of holding mitts, you know?
01:38:02.000Like, he's getting a workout doing that shit.
01:38:07.000I've got to give them the feel and the reactions and throwback.
01:38:10.000And I get to play UFC a little bit without getting beat up.
01:38:12.000So it's fun to still, again, live vicariously through these guys.
01:38:15.000But I still definitely do train and, again, lead by example and stay sharp.
01:38:20.000Have you ever thought about one day, I mean, you're in a weird situation where you could potentially go to 45 and you could potentially go to 25. I mean, you could be champ, champ, champ.
01:38:31.000My coach, when I first started working out with Sam and I was fighting Cody the first time, he was like, I'm going to make you a three-division champ.
01:39:49.000I get in shape before I start my camp because I want to know exactly what that feeling is of what the night's going to be of being in the cage.
01:39:57.000I want my weight to be where it's supposed to be.
01:39:59.000And so it's like the same exact feeling for my whole camp.
01:40:03.000It's got to be satisfying for you to have all these changes, take all these chances, go through all this emotional shit with leaving Alpha Male, but the results prove themselves that you were making the right choices for your career.
01:40:20.000It's all kind of finding a place and it's because I've surrounded myself with the right people.
01:40:24.000I followed Dwayne because I believed in him.
01:40:26.000I came back to Southern California because I believe in Sam, you know, and there's guys like Steve Martin like I was talking about before that made that possible, you know, and there's just like these for whatever reason this group of guys that I've just gotten around that's just Very synergistic and it works, you know, and so that's why I've been really focused on because I've been to a lot of gyms and That are money driven or ego driven and to make sure that's not the case.
01:40:49.000So you might be an awesome fighter, but if you don't have the right mentality, you're not part of the training lab.
01:40:54.000You might be the best fighter in the world, but if you're a cancer, we're not going to let you work out there.
01:40:59.000And kind of really treating it like we're professional athletes.
01:41:02.000I mean, I am treating it like we're professional athletes instead of before it was just a fighter.
01:41:06.000Have you seen that really across the board?
01:41:08.000There's much more of an attitude of a professional athlete versus just some badass guy who wants to fight and kick ass.
01:41:16.000You're seeing people approach it much more scientifically now.
01:41:19.000How much has that changed since you were on The Ultimate Fighter?
01:42:41.000TJ's got a bump in the martial art evolutionary chain as far as how many people were switching stances and having that fluid flow before TJ stepped in the cage.
01:43:05.000He'll come out orthodox because he's right-handed, but he's like, I'm going to do better against this guy Southpaw and stay Southpaw the rest of the fight because he sees that advantage and being able to do that.
01:43:14.000I mean, boxers used to say, never switch your stance.
01:43:19.000Marvin Hagler used to switch all the time.
01:43:21.000You know, he's one of the greatest of all time.
01:43:23.000And then, you know, there's orthodoxy softball, but then there's a whole world of things that you can do offensive and defensively during the change of the stance as well.
01:43:31.000Yeah, so we'll keep those secrets under the cover.
01:43:33.000Yeah, it's one thing to switch your stance to fight better that stance, but then what about the strikes while switching your stance, you know?
01:43:41.000Or in those crazy motions where I'm coming this way, but you're over there.
01:43:44.000It's almost like fighting two people at once.
01:43:46.000We're going to create those angles and take advantage of them, and they have to do this slow turn to stay on their stance kind of thing, you know?
01:43:53.000Yeah, no, there's fantastic advantage to it.
01:43:56.000It's a fucking matrix, I'm telling you.
01:44:24.000So many people, they just turn their TV on and they put on ESPN. And that's like all day long, real sports fans.
01:44:32.000They're going to get a chance to see guys like you, you know, real high-level fighters.
01:44:36.000And ESPN's also been putting on real world championship boxing events, which is very exciting.
01:44:42.000If they're going to do that, and then they're going to start putting on real high-level championship UFC fights as well, people are going to get a chance to compare and contrast and see, like, wow.
01:44:50.000I think that's going to open up a whole new world.
01:45:51.000But if you see these high-level, world-class fights, I think if people just got to look at what's going on right now at the top levels, they'd get hooked.
01:46:14.000And I feel like you've done a great job.
01:46:15.000You've helped our sport grow because of that, of not only hyping the fights up, but making people knowledgeable of MMA. Well, we need to teach the judges.
01:48:07.000And I think that if a guy does some damage standing up and then you take him down and hold him down for a full minute but nothing happens, he did more damage standing up.
01:48:15.000And there's a lot of judges that think that if you take someone down and you're on top, you win.
01:48:59.000I just, as much enthusiasm as you have about this sport, and of you and myself and a lot of other fans, I want the judges to have that kind of enthusiasm as well.
01:49:07.000I want them to go into these fights knowing what they're looking at.
01:51:36.000But once you've been so clean and you know how it feels, and then after your fight you eat like a fucking asshole for a week, it instantly is like, dude, I gotta stop this shit.
01:52:42.000It's weird how your tolerance drops, too.
01:52:45.000If you don't eat sugar anymore and then you take it in, the first thing that happens to me, like I'll have an ice cream sundae, I just have to sit down.
01:55:12.000And are you taking it with any kind of fat?
01:55:15.000Because what I heard about, especially with vegetable juice, that your body absorbs it better with fat, like with coconut oil or avocado oil or something like that.
01:56:30.000What was explained to me was that you're better off when you're taking something that's as nutrient-dense as juice, cold-pressed juice, that you really should take it with a fat, and then it'll help your body absorb the nutrients better.
01:56:48.000When I take kale shakes, I always add either coconut oil or...
01:56:52.000Well, I usually add both, coconut oil and MCT oil to it.
01:56:56.000I mean, I think that's not bad for you, so why not?
01:56:59.000I don't know if it's better or not, but I know it's not bad for you.
01:57:02.000Yeah, now, what is your ratio, like, fats to protein?
01:57:05.000Do you know what that is, or does he map all that stuff out?
01:57:07.000He maps all that out, and depending where I'm at and how my body's recovering.
01:57:12.000But yeah, I'm high-fat, high-protein diet, you know, low to no-carb, obviously different kinds of carbs.
01:57:18.000I have to have carbs, but just, like, I won't be ketogenic, but I'll get my body into ketosis certain times throughout my camp to make me insulin, like, sensitivity high, right?
01:57:30.000So I'll eat simple carbs that break down faster.
01:57:32.000You know, they've found that people, even on this carnivore diet, which a lot of people are doing now, they still reach ketosis.
01:57:38.000They still reach ketosis because they're not taking in any grain.
01:57:40.000They're not taking in any carbohydrates.
01:57:42.000And even though your body converts protein through glucogenesis, it converts it into sugars, into glucose, it's doing it in a very efficient way and processing in a way that a lot of these people are in ketosis all the day.
01:57:59.000Like a regular ketogenic diet, I think it's supposed to be 70% fat or something crazy or 60-something percent fat and then the rest protein.
01:58:13.000I think, and I had his daughter on recently as well, and it's very controversial, particularly for his daughter because his daughter is giving paid nutritional consultation, but she doesn't really have a background in nutrition, but she's just showing people what really has worked for her and her experience and her background.
01:58:30.000Her and her father, Jordan, I think he has a serious autoimmune issue.
01:58:46.000I think for most people like you or I, you're really better off eating rich, dark, green, leafy vegetables and nuts and fish.
01:58:55.000And chicken, and wild game, and I think if you get some wild turkey or some wild pheasants, you should eat really good, lean, healthy, real food.
01:59:07.000I think most people can eat apples and oranges and watermelon, and there's no problem.
01:59:12.000But I think there are a few people amongst us, and I think Jordan's one of them, where his body just fucking rejects things.
01:59:19.000I think his body has terrible reactions to all these different things.
01:59:23.000And going on an all-meat diet has cured his depression, got him off on antidepressants for the first time in more than two decades.
01:59:39.000Yeah, I just think it's a good diet for people that are very extreme in their nutrition requirements because they have some serious autoimmune issues.
01:59:48.000If you have autoimmune issues, you should definitely go towards keto.
01:59:51.000You know, Sam's gotten rid of my psoriasis.
01:59:54.000I didn't even know he could get rid of it, but got rid of my psoriasis with my diet.
01:59:57.000I mean, they say it could be from the stem cells too, but I believe it's from...
02:00:01.000I mean, I did so much stuff, but the diet, you know?
02:00:04.000Well, I know several people that have got rid of their psoriasis through that.
02:00:08.000I think Jordan is actually one of them as well.
02:00:10.000He had psoriasis, and he also had some serious gum disease that he was having for his whole life, gone, as soon as he got on his carnivore diet.
02:00:19.000And it's just, I mean, he's just eating beef.
02:00:41.000Like a fucking, some seed from some plant that you ate gets stuck somewhere in your lining and gets infected and you can get diverticulitis from that.
02:00:49.000He said diverticulitis can come from a lot of different things.
02:00:51.000I think Brock probably wasn't even chewing.
02:00:54.000I think he was probably swallowing animals whole, out in the wild, grabbing fucking gophers and shit and just chopping them down.
02:01:04.000And screaming naked on the top of a hill.
02:02:36.000Well, so he retired, and when you come back, you're supposed to go through like a four-month testing before you're even allowed to accept a fight.
02:02:43.000And they waived that four-month of testing, and they started, like, so he was getting tested once he came back, but he didn't have to have that four-month of testing without having a fight.
02:03:10.000The professionalism that's going around our spots just made me continue.
02:03:16.000I mean, I've always been hungry, but the science behind it and me being able to go three different weight classes and being real and just me being the baddest man on the planet has got me ready to go.
02:03:59.000The thing that's gonna fuck with his head, if anything does, is when you are on steroids for a long time, or anything that jacks up your endocrine system the way we're assuming he did, when it's over...
02:05:01.000So my recovery big time, listening to my body.
02:05:03.000So your heart rate variability when you're sleeping, it'll tell you when you wake up how recovered you are and how hard you should push it that day.
02:05:10.000So being the CEO of TJ Dillashaw and deciding, even if it's on the schedule, I'm going to go hard the next day, but I wake up, I'm not recovered.
02:05:17.000Call everyone like, hey man, I'm not coming in today.
02:05:19.000I got to go walk around with the family.
02:06:03.000The way to do that is through your recovery, which is going to help your testosterone production, your growth hormone production when you're sleeping.
02:06:08.000As well as my supplementation, what aminos I'm taking and why and when I'm taking them.
02:06:13.000You know, the arginines, the 21-blend aminos.
02:08:09.000But when I'm in camp, he's tracking my recovery and he'll let me in the note in the morning like look man You're 84% recovered.
02:08:15.000This was pick it up or you're 20% you need to chill, you know, right?
02:08:19.000You'll decide so my week to week you have an idea what it's gonna be but it always changes How many times do you think on these days where you looked at the results and said okay?
02:10:08.000Hyperbaric chambers, when to do them, and how to test everything.
02:10:12.000Everyone has always known they're good for you, but I don't feel like there's been the exact numbers behind it.
02:10:16.000And now he's going to track it kind of thing.
02:10:17.000So we're getting more into that realm of it.
02:10:20.000I use an auto lab that helps with me getting my hypoxic state to do altitude training.
02:10:24.000Um, to where I'm breathing in that for an hour a day.
02:10:27.000Uh, and that's, you know, I'm, I'm going anywhere to like 40,000 feet, you know, but there's only like certain like blanks you could do it for.
02:10:34.000And you have to take like, like for instance, like doing like six minutes on four minutes off or three minutes on three, like in, in tracking what my body's doing the next day.
02:10:58.000His warm-up is usually everyone else's workout.
02:11:00.000He's pushing us to our lactate threshold to where, like, you want to throw up, you're done, and then we're doing muscular endurance, you know.
02:11:06.000So we're not doing any kind of strengthening until I've pushed that limit.
02:11:10.000Hard ground and pound, when you stand up and you have a muscle pump and you can't go, you don't have that anymore because your lactate threshold is higher now.
02:11:19.000If my lactate threshold is higher, then I'm not going to be able to push myself to where I have that pump.
02:11:26.000Get to that point so you know what it feels like.
02:11:28.000Mentally, if I ever get to that point in a fight, I'm okay because I've been there.
02:11:31.000As well as when you get there and you work out past it a smart way, then it's going to increase your lactate threshold.
02:11:38.000It'll take you longer to get to that point.
02:11:48.000Some workouts aren't as hard as others, but yeah, the ones that work, like what I said, the hardest I've ever worked out in my entire life was that kind of shit.
02:12:15.000Every time I jump in the street, I know it's stringing machine day and I always pull up and I see the stop sign right before I turn left to get to his house.
02:12:23.000I'm like, fuck, I could just keep going.
02:12:45.000That's something that still is always going to be developed, depending on person to person who needs more skill.
02:12:52.000Obviously, you never have it completely, but some people need more skill training than others.
02:12:56.000When I first started MMA, I probably shouldn't have done strength and conditioning for a year and a half.
02:13:00.000I should have only done skill because I needed to catch up.
02:13:03.000But I'm to the point now where each camp changes with technique, and I'm obviously going to continue to grow, and that's why my camps are so long.
02:13:09.000I'll do more skill outside of camp time and more getting my body ready.
02:13:15.000I don't know if I'm answering your question.
02:13:19.000You don't want to burn yourself out that hard and then spar.
02:13:22.000That's still something I feel like we're even learning with Sam still too.
02:13:26.000He obviously is a wrestler and he knows training and he knows strength and conditioning and that's why we just know our heart rate and that's why every coach is...
02:13:35.000At our team, every coach is going to talk to each other.
02:13:39.000We know, like they know what days are going to be off.
02:13:41.000Like no one's going to show up to the gym today.
02:13:42.000If they do, we're going to go light because we pushed it yesterday.
02:13:45.000It's never going to be like the strength conditioning coach's job is to kill you.
02:13:48.000Now you're going into wrestling, he's going to kill you too.
02:13:50.000Like we're all on the same schedule so that we know that maybe Wednesdays are active recovery.
02:13:55.000So if you're going to go into practice, you're just drilling, you're moving light, you're not going hard because you got killed the day before.
02:14:00.000So when you're at your peakest, hardest days, your next day is either off or An active rest day.
02:15:57.000Well, it's definitely building for you now.
02:15:59.000I mean, there was a lot of negative energy that was coming your way when you left Alpha Male and when you were on the Ultimate Fighter, there was some negative shit that was coming your way.
02:16:08.000But it seems like with every victory, all that stuff is going behind you.
02:16:12.000And now it's really obvious you made the right choice.
02:16:15.000And now knocking Cody out twice in a row...
02:16:30.000I've got to go coach against Alpha Male.
02:16:31.000It's like the last thing I want to do.
02:16:33.000I knew all this shit was going to be fucking crazy.
02:16:36.000And so I didn't want to do it, but I wasn't going to say no because that's my shot at the title, you know?
02:16:41.000And I'm fucking so glad I did it because I got to show my true colors.
02:16:45.000I got to show how much I care about the sport, how much I got to be a martial artist, teach the way that me and Dwayne kind of do things, very professional, let them be fucking assholes and then come around and have it bite them in the ass.
02:16:56.000It worked out perfect for me because we got to show what really is what.
02:17:09.000The more evidence you have in front of you, you get to be your own judge of what actually happened rather than Uriah and Cody running their fucking mouth of me leaving, me being a traitor, me doing this, me taking PEDs compared to what's actually going down.
02:19:19.000At least I found the right things to be addicted to.
02:19:22.000I think that's important for so many kids.
02:19:24.000I think there's so many young kids that are growing up and they have all this angst and their bodies are anxious and they're filled with fucking testosterone.
02:20:23.000Even the physical fitness part of training.
02:20:26.000I'm starting my own academy as well online to where I'm going to teach you not only the techniques behind it, but how I get stronger at doing them, how I get in better shape, like a physical fitness part of it as well.
02:21:16.000I want to do a very exclusive champ camp where only 10 people can come.
02:21:20.000And you come and stay with me, live at my house in Colorado, go wakeboarding, but then we also learn the mental aspect of how I think to be a champion, how I eat, how the techniques take them to the gym.
02:21:44.000But I love to teach and I love to do it.
02:21:47.000And I feel like by giving them small groups and giving them some intimate time, doing a real champ camp, is something I want to do as well.
02:22:08.000And so I want to teach you that I do that shit are my recovery serious like my nutrition serious like teach you how I read everything no secrets, you know Beautiful.
02:22:16.000Yeah, but listen man the sport is exploding and one of the reasons why I was exploding is the guys at the very top like you that are constantly innovating and keeping an open mind and Constantly improving so you're a big part the whole grossest thing man.